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Sports => Football => Topic started by: ANC2 on April 16, 2006, 08:28:33 AM

Title: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: ANC2 on April 16, 2006, 08:28:33 AM
Regardless what happens this year will be Arsenal's lowest placing in the League since Wenger took over. Amazing record when you really think about it. Since he came to Arsenal the lowest he finished was second. On another front I hope ManU give Chelsea a run, but Chelsea seems to win even when theynot playing well, too many weapons.

Title: Where the Arsenal Congratulations thread gone!!!
Post by: Jahyouth on May 07, 2006, 10:40:58 AM
eh?
Title: Re: Where the Arsenal Congratulations thread gone!!!
Post by: kicker on May 07, 2006, 10:44:50 AM
Moderators must be working on it...because the headline Arsenaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa !!!, was so wide dat it ugly up the presentation of the board !!  ;D

Congrats nevertheless.......I knew they would pip spurs....
Title: Re: Where the Arsenal Congratulations thread gone!!!
Post by: Jahyouth on May 07, 2006, 10:45:52 AM
Moderators must be working on it...because the headline Arsenaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa !!!, was so wide dat it ugly up the presentation of the board !!  ;D

Congrats nevertheless.......I knew they would pip spurs....

they coulda tell me.  I woulda shorten it.

Sorry mods
Title: Re: Where the Arsenal Congratulations thread gone!!!
Post by: kicker on May 07, 2006, 10:48:31 AM
Moderators must be working on it...because the headline Arsenaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa !!!, was so wide dat it ugly up the presentation of the board !!  ;D

Congrats nevertheless.......I knew they would pip spurs....

they coulda tell me.  I woulda shorten it.

Sorry mods
'

doh quote me on that eh....I was just ketchin' kix on the title....... :beermug:
Title: Re: Where the Arsenal Congratulations thread gone!!!
Post by: Trinimassive on May 07, 2006, 10:49:45 AM
It in the thread that Palos start....ah guess he use he powers and combine it under he Boleface heading :devil:
Title: Re: Where the Arsenal Congratulations thread gone!!!
Post by: Jahyouth on May 07, 2006, 10:57:26 AM
It in the thread that Palos start....ah guess he use he powers and combine it under he Boleface heading :devil:

That makes ABSOLUTELY no sense at  all.  One topic is about Wenger reccommending Theo Walcott to Sven and the next about Arsenal making the Champions' League next season.

Palos.  Make sense nah.  Usually allyuh mods is do the right thing.  But that eh make no sense man.  come on.
Title: ARRRRRSENAAAAAALLLL!!!!!!!!! A Fitting Finale for Highbury!
Post by: Jahyouth on May 07, 2006, 11:35:59 AM
Arsenal 4-2 Wigan

www.soccernet.com


Thierry Henry provided a fitting finale for Highbury as his hat-trick secured Arsenal a place in the Champions League next season when Wigan were beaten 4-2 in the last match the famous old stadium would host.

ShaunBotterill/GettyImages
Thierry Henry goes to kiss the Highbury turf after scoring his penalty.

Knowing they had to better the result of north London rivals Tottenham, who were at West Ham, to claim fourth spot in the Barclays Premiership, it was a composed display by Arsene Wenger's emerging side against the Latics, who had done their best to spoil the party.

As news of the Hammers' 2-1 win filtered through, the Highbury faithful were able to revel in their team's achievements in what has been a season of transition.

Now, all that remains is the European Cup final showdown with Barcelona in Paris on May 17 and who would bet against Arsenal starting life in their new state-of-the-art Emirates Stadium as European champions in August?

Wigan have enjoyed a superb maiden season in the top flight, their Premiership status secure well before the game.

Paul Jewell had masterminded a famous result here earlier in the campaign to book their place in the Carling Cup final - and the Latics again looked keen.

Arsenal, though, soon found their passing rhythm and were ahead on eight minutes.

Cesc Fabregas sent the ball over from the right, which Gilberto headed down.

Robert Pires' initial shot was well saved by Mike Pollitt, but the Frenchman reacted quickly to stab the loose ball in from close range.

No sooner had the goal celebrations died down, then news of West Ham taking the lead over Spurs reverberated around the ground.

Perhaps those cheers were premature, however, as Wigan snatched an equaliser on 10 minutes.

David Thompson's free-kick from the left went through to Paul Scharner - and the Austrian sidefooted past Jens Lehmann.

Wigan should then have been awarded a penalty on 15 minutes.

Jason Roberts got ahead of Sol Campbell down the right, and burst into the area.

Although the veteran England man tracked back, he clearly chopped down the Wigan striker with a sliding tackle.

Referee Uriah Renee, however, was unimpressed - and booked Wigan defender Matt Jackson for his vehement protests.

At the other end, Fabregas slipped Pires in on the overlap, but this time the French midfielder was off target with an angled drive from 10 yards.

Wigan midfielder David Thompson then silenced Highbury when he smashed in a 35-yard free-kick on 33 minutes.

There seemed little danger when the winger, once on the fringes of the England team, took a long run-up, just to the left of centre.

He got some venom behind the strike - and the flight of the ball completely wrong-footed Lehmann, bouncing in and up past the despairing right-handed dive of the German international.

Normal service was resumed, however, with 10 minutes to go before half-time.

Henry beat the offside trap when he latched on to Pires' pass, and made no mistake when slotting the ball under Pollitt for his 25th Premiership goal of the season.

Thompson had another go with a free-kick from a similar position on 43 minutes, but this time Lehmann collected the ball well at his right-hand post.

It was a positive start to the second half by Wigan, with Roberts laying off a pass to Lee McCulloch from the edge of the area, but he fired over.

Henri Camara then tricked his way into the left side of the six-yard box, and sent an acrobatic scissors-kick just over the bar.

Henry then made it 3-2 on 56 minutes.

A poor choice of pass back towards his own goal from Thompson was latched on to by the French striker and the Arsenal captain duly skipped past Pollitt before rolling the ball into an empty net.

With 27 minutes to go, Pires skipped down the left side of the area, before flicking the ball back from the touchline.

Fabregas sent a darting header goalwards, which was first palmed away by Pollitt from point-blank range and then hacked clear by Jackson.

No sooner had Freddie Ljungberg come on, for Pires in the final 20 minutes, then he won a penalty after being tugged back by Andreas Johansson - who was promptly sent off for denying a goal-scoring opportunity just moments after having been introduced as a substitute himself.

Henry sent Pollitt the wrong way - and dropped to his knees in homage to the North Bank faithful in what some suggest could be the Frenchman's final Premiership match in Arsenal colours.

Veteran Dennis Bergkamp was given a hero's welcome when he came on for Reyes with 12 minutes left, just as news of West Ham's winning goal from Yossi Benayoun filtered through - and the celebrations could then begin. 
Title: Re: Where the Arsenal Congratulations thread gone!!!
Post by: Jahyouth on May 07, 2006, 11:51:12 AM
abracadabra..........and it is baaaaaaaaaack  ;D
Palos you must be working over time since Flex and Tallman have free paper

Is I who put it back... and guess what the Taliban Palos gone and move it again!  hahahahahahha  :rotfl:
Title: Re: Where the Arsenal Congratulations thread gone!!!
Post by: palos on May 07, 2006, 11:55:52 AM
Allyuh movin like RF.  I eh touch nutting oddah dan to say "anyone ever had any doubt".

Nex time alyuh talkin allyuh talk....get some facts first.
Title: Arsenal's Dein voted off FA board...Finally!!!
Post by: SOBRIQUET on June 02, 2006, 01:58:14 PM
Arsenal's Dein voted off FA board

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/5042352.stm

Arsenal vice-chairman David Dein has been voted off the Football Association board by the Premier League. Dein was voted out of office as one of the Premier League's four representatives in favour of Manchester United chief executive David Gill.

Gill said: "I am looking forward to working with my fellow board members."

Dein, who will continue to sit on the FA Council, has been criticised for his role in finding Sven-Goran Eriksson's successor as England coach.

Dein's removal also comes a day after it was revealed Arsenal could face an FA probe into payments made to Belgian club Beveren.

The Arsenal vice-chairman has established himself as one of the most important figures in the domestic game.

He was co-opted on to the selection panel to find a successor to Sven-Goran Eriksson, with Dein thought to be a prime mover in pushing the cause of Portugal's Brazilian coach Scolari.

Scolari rejected the FA's offer, prompting criticism from Middlesbrough chairman Steve Gibson.

Middlesbrough manager Steve McClaren's appointment to succeed Eriksson prompted Gibson to questioned why Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger had not been pursued more vigourously.

That in turn forced the FA to respond that Wenger stated categorically he did not want the job when approached by FA chief executive Brian Barwick.

Chelsea boss Jose Mourinho also claimed Dein's FA ties provided an unbalanced fixture list, with Arsenal having five Premiership games at home immediately following Champions League trips, while Chelsea played five away.

Gill, 48, is as influential at Old Trafford as Dein is at Arsena.

As a vice-chairman of the elite G14 group and an FA council member, Gill has extensive experience of football administration beyond Old Trafford.

Gill will now work with the Premier League's other representatives; Dave Richards, Phil Gartside and Robert Coar, in promoting the league's interests on the FA board.

However, Dein will sit alongside Richards, Gartside and Gill on the less influential FA Council.


Title: Re: Arsenal's Dein voted off FA board...Finally!!!
Post by: SOBRIQUET on June 02, 2006, 02:00:28 PM
Enuff bold-faced weiling and dealing to help out Arsenal with EPLfixtures and home games after CL games etc.. Haul yuh ass Dein. No more help for dem.. :devil: :devil: :devil:
Title: AZ Alkmaar vs Arsenal
Post by: fari on August 04, 2006, 05:48:38 PM
AZ Alkmaar 0-3 Arsenal
Arsenal warmed up for Tuesday's Champions League qualifier against Dinamo Zagreb with a convincing friendly win over AZ Alkmaar.

Gilberto put the visitors ahead on 34 minutes with a back-post header from Jose Antonio Reyes' free-kick.

Reyes was also involved in the second goal just after the break when his pass led to Emmanuel Adebayor slotting home after Gilberto's shot was parried.

Robin van Persie added the third from the penalty spot on 74 minutes.

Arsenal take on Zagreb in the first-leg clash in Croatia on Tuesday night.
Title: Candid Cole lost faith over Arsenal love of Henry
Post by: Andre on September 11, 2006, 09:14:48 AM
strikers is always get more love from the fans.

September 11, 2006

LONDON (AFP) - England full-back Ashley Cole has admitted that Arsenal's love for star striker Thierry Henry contributed to his decision to leave the club for Premiership champions Chelsea.

Cole said that while the club and its fans did everything to make sure Henry stayed at Highbury, he felt like the "invisible man".

The 25-year-old left-back also revealed how he 'haggled' over 5,000 pounds (9,300 dollars) after Arsenal had dropped from their original weekly salary offer, and had his loyalty questioned by the club's backroom staff.
    
However, in an extract from his book serialised in The Times, the difference in how he was treated compared to Henry appeared to be one of the main reasons for him to seek a transfer.

"The club made Thierry feel wanted and special, wooing him, wining and dining him, speaking in public about how much they want him to stay, going on a deliberate charm offensive," said Cole.

"But me? I didn't have one dinner, one meeting or one phone call from anyone. That's not sour grapes, it's just a sad truth. The truth is that the Gunners had done nothing all season to hold on to me."

He added: "My worst fears were confirmed when, as Thierry and I sat in the centre circle after the final whistle, his name was sung from the rooftops while my contribution was recognised by a deafening silence.

"As his chants faded away we waited for mine. And we waited. And there was nothing. 'They're not bothered about me', I said, resigned to the fact. It was like I was the invisible man."

Cole was offered a new 60,000 pounds (112,000 dollars) a week deal in 2004 but when negotiations opened, the figure had dropped by 5,000 pounds, with the defender adding: "At a board meeting held two days before our 1-0 away defeat at Bolton in January, it was decided the maximum offer should be 55,000 pounds a week.

"I don't believe the board gave a damn about keeping me. It preferred to haggle over a difference of 5,000."

Cole's relationship with the club deteriorated to the point of fitness coach Tony Colbert questioned whether he was telling the truth about a thigh injury.

He added: "That's when he said it, 'what do you expect me to do, Ash, when you tell me you're okay and then come in here like you've just been shot? Be honest with me, are you just making out that it's worse than it actually is because you've got an eye on the World Cup?'

"That was it. I blew my lid. 'What!' I shouted, barely able to keep a lid on it, 'I need to play for Arsenal to go to the World Cup, so why would I hold back? The more I hold back, the less chance I've got of going to Germany! And you are insulting me'.

"For me it was one more person at the club doubting my loyalty. And it was the final straw."
Title: M Fabregas re-signs with Arsenal
Post by: Bally on October 19, 2006, 03:06:29 PM
M Fabregas re-signs with Arsenal
 
October 19, 2006
LONDON (Ticker) - Cesc Fabregas has signed his new eight-year contract with Arsenal.

Gunners boss Arsene Wenger revealed last month the 19-year-old Spain midfielder was set to agree to a new deal to keep him at the north London club until 2014.

Fabregas, who joined Arsenal from Barcelona three years ago, had been linked with a move to Real Madrid but had stated his intention to stay at the Emirates Stadium.

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"I am so happy here and I am delighted to have signed this new contract that will keep me at the club for years to come," Fabregas told the club's official web site. "I wanted to pay back the club, especially Arsene Wenger, for the support and faith he has shown in me.

"What is important now is for the team to realize its potential and win trophies. That is our main aim, that is my aim as well."

Fabregas' agent, Joseba Diaz, had earlier told Spanish web site sport.es that the midfielder had put pen to paper.

"It is a fabulous contract for the player and also for the club," Diaz said. "Cesc feels very happy with how much Arsenal value him and in the knowledge that Arsenal are going to build their future around him."





Updated on Thursday, Oct
 
Title: ARSENAL vs porto
Post by: black chinee on December 05, 2006, 11:50:02 PM
Well we will be going for a point without Henry and Rosicky... but the Gunners know how to turn up the heat when it counts..... ;D ;D ;D

Go Gunners
Title: Arsenal go Top!
Post by: Bitter on March 05, 2007, 06:58:15 AM
Arsenal go top as Boca are humbled
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/SPORT/football/03/05/argentina.boca/

BUENOS AIRES, Argentina -- Boca Juniors suffered a shock 3-0 home defeat by San Lorenzo in the Argentine Clausura championship and their great rivals River Plate lost 2-1 to modest Argentinos Juniors on Sunday.

Humble Arsenal took full advantage by beating Velez Sarsfield 3-1 to go top with maximum points from their four games.

San Lorenzo, thumped 7-1 at home by Boca Juniors in their last meeting, stunned the Bombonera stadium when Diego Rivero broke down the right and crossed for Ezequiel Lavezzi to head in a goal after 23 minutes.

Boca playmaker Juan Roman Riquelme, who had an otherwise quiet game, hit the crossbar with a free kick before half-time but his side were in more trouble when Clemente Rodriguez was sent off four minutes into the second half.

Gaston Fernandez fired the second in the 66th minute and Andres Silvera rifled in the third from 12 metres five minutes later.

"The way we played was marvelous," San Lorenzo coach Ramon Diaz told reporters.

San Lorenzo, with 10 points from four games, moved up to second and Boca, with seven points, dropped to seventh.

River, who went into their match with three wins in three games, looked set to maintain their record when Marco Ruben fired through the legs of goalkeeper Marcelo Pontiroli in the 18th minute.

But Sebastian Carrera headed Argentinos level eight minutes later and Gabriel Hauche fired the winner eight minutes into the second half after the River defense failed to clear.
Floodlight failure

Shortly afterwards, play was delayed for nearly half an hour by a floodlight failure.

Second-half goals from Lucas Valdemarin and Carlos Castiglione gave Arsenal victory over Velez. The teams were level at halftime after Pablo Sebastian Garnier gave Arsenal an early lead and Mariano Uglessich levelled three minutes before the break.

Champions Estudiantes won 2-1 at Belgrano as 36-year-old Jose Luis Calderon scored a stoppage-time winner.

Pablo Piatti, 17, had given Estudiantes a first-half lead and Matias Oyola equalized in the 56th minute.

Jorge Burruchaga's Independiente continued their unhappy run as they lost 2-1 at Banfield despite taking a 34th-minute lead through Juan Eluchans.

Banfield's Javier Villareal and Carlos Salvatierra scored in the last 15 minutes to leave Independiente 19th with one point.

Independiente's arch-rivals Racing Club also remained winless after losing 1-0 at home to Newell's Old Boys.
Title: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 23, 2007, 08:37:20 AM
This goes out to all bandwagonistas out there in trinbago!

when arsenal win things next season doh play yuh wasn't crying us down during summer!

allez! allez! wenger!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: skins on July 23, 2007, 08:39:37 AM
you register on this forum and your first post is to say arsenal going to win epl.   :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mr Mc on July 23, 2007, 08:42:45 AM
This goes out to all bandwagonistas out there in trinbago!

when arsenal win things next season doh play yuh wasn't crying us down during summer!

allez! allez! wenger!

Let me make sure and quote this post, because I am sure we will return to this thread many times during the season after another gunner loss,and i dont want nobody editing the words they will then have to swallow.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Tenorsaw on July 23, 2007, 09:47:17 AM
Arsenal= coaching school football; pretty football, with good technical showcasing, but no venom ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on July 23, 2007, 09:50:19 AM
Arsenal= coaching school football; pretty football, with good technical showcasing, but no venom ;D

i feel this year we will see a different arsenal bredda.   i not promising...but i have a good feeling
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Touches on July 23, 2007, 09:57:26 AM
At the end of the day...

Arsenal need a proven goalscorer who could score 20+ a season

The supporting striker have to score 12+

and the midfield have to chip in with about 10 goals from the 4-5 men running the show.

All big teams with any sort of title ambition have the above.

I still find we need a good goalkeeper and a good central defensive midfielder with steel to cover Gilberto Silva.

We have the pretty beat and flick men.

Adebayor have to learn the art of scoring goals and Van persie have a real task ahead of him.

We need to buy a Big fwd and a Big defensive midfielder.

But once Wenger is there...we have plenty hope.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Cantona007 on July 23, 2007, 10:18:33 AM
Arsenal= coaching school football; pretty football, with good technical showcasing, but no venom ;D

i feel this year we will see a different arsenal bredda.   i not promising...but i have a good feeling

I agree; it will be a worse Arsenal  :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Cantona007 on July 23, 2007, 10:20:44 AM
This goes out to all bandwagonistas out there in trinbago!

when arsenal win things next season doh play yuh wasn't crying us down during summer!

allez! allez! wenger!
What a great first post!  :devil:

"when Arsenal win things next season..."

Arsenal ladies, perhaps?

Welcome.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Andre on July 23, 2007, 10:21:40 AM
leh we see what wenger could do with this bunch + he veterans.

Ins: Bacary Sagna (Auxerre, undisclosed), Lukasz Fabianski (Legia Warsaw, £2m), Eduardo da Silva (Dinamo Zagreb, undisclosed), Havard Nordtveit (FK Haugesund, undisclosed).

Outs: Jeremie Aliadiere (Middlesbrough, £2m), Fabrice Muamba (Birmingham, undisclosed), Mart Poom (Watford, free), Arturo Lupoli (Fiorentina, free), Thierry Henry (Barcelona £16.1m).
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: D.H.W on July 23, 2007, 10:25:34 AM
This goes out to all bandwagonistas out there in trinbago!

when arsenal win things next season doh play yuh wasn't crying us down during summer!

allez! allez! wenger!

another hater to be added to my list  :devil:, you really feel arsenal can compete with d man utd next season lol  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: takenoprisoners on July 23, 2007, 10:32:12 AM
At the end of the day...
I still find we need a good goalkeeper and a good central defensive midfielder with steel to cover Gilberto Silva.


http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=361046
7/23/2007 5:01 PM
Appiah Linked To Arsenal Move
Ghanaian midfielder Stephen Appiah who looks set to leave Turkish club Fenerbahce has been linked with a move to Arsenal.
 
The inspirational midfielder has spent two seasons in Turkey after moving from Italian side Juventus and had made it clear that he is looking forward to move to England's Premiership this summer.

English Premiership club West Ham United are believed to have led the chase for Appiah but latest reports have now linked the 26-year-old to the Gunners.

The player himself showed interest in the West Ham deal and had told The Sun: “I am very angry about stories saying I want to stay at Fenerbahce indefinitely.

"West Ham have expressed strong interest in me and I think Fenerbahce will have to listen to their offer.

"It is my ambition to play in the Premier League.”

Arsenal are now tipped to win a race with both West Ham and German club Schalke for the Ghanaian.

A friend of the player is quoted in the News of the World as saying: “Arsenal are aware they will have to pay £6million - £8million for Stephen. That price was talked about last January with Arsenal and it really won’t be an issue.”

Appiah will bring back some steel to that defensive midfiled since losing Viera.
btw Lundberg to Westham.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: RedDevils on July 23, 2007, 10:44:56 AM
leh we see what wenger could do with this bunch + he veterans.

Ins: Bacary Sagna (Auxerre, undisclosed), Lukasz Fabianski (Legia Warsaw, £2m), Eduardo da Silva (Dinamo Zagreb, undisclosed), Havard Nordtveit (FK Haugesund, undisclosed).

Outs: Jeremie Aliadiere (Middlesbrough, £2m), Fabrice Muamba (Birmingham, undisclosed), Mart Poom (Watford, free), Arturo Lupoli (Fiorentina, free), Thierry Henry (Barcelona £16.1m).





doh forget Ljungberg jus leave to......



gunners will be lucky IF dey finish in de top 5.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Jahyouth on July 23, 2007, 12:31:42 PM
At the end of the day...

Arsenal need a proven goalscorer who could score 20+ a season

The supporting striker have to score 12+

and the midfield have to chip in with about 10 goals from the 4-5 men running the show.

All big teams with any sort of title ambition have the above.

I still find we need a good goalkeeper and a good central defensive midfielder with steel to cover Gilberto Silva.

We have the pretty beat and flick men.

Adebayor have to learn the art of scoring goals and Van persie have a real task ahead of him.

We need to buy a Big fwd and a Big defensive midfielder.

But once Wenger is there...we have plenty hope.



Plenty men memory short.  They forget that Arsenal youth team reach the League Cup final without the help of senior team players.

Touches, Diaby providing that steel that we lost when Viera left.

Van Persie is going to have a monster season.

Denilson (the U-23 Brazilian center midfielder) played well last year and will step up.

Hleb is now fully acclimatised to the English league so look for big things from him too.

Has Rosicky even started to show what he can do?  Watch this space.

Wenger signed the Polish keeper Lucasz Fabianski.  If anyone knows talent it is Arsegne.  Lehmann has one more good year left in him. 

With all that being said.....

We need a central defender in the worst way.  THAT is what I am concerned about.

Arsenal will challenge for honors this season as always.  Look for a top 3 league finish.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: morvant on July 23, 2007, 01:25:41 PM
gunners will finish 3rd

watch and see!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on July 23, 2007, 01:42:32 PM
At the end of the day...

Arsenal need a proven goalscorer who could score 20+ a season

The supporting striker have to score 12+

and the midfield have to chip in with about 10 goals from the 4-5 men running the show.

All big teams with any sort of title ambition have the above.

I still find we need a good goalkeeper and a good central defensive midfielder with steel to cover Gilberto Silva.

We have the pretty beat and flick men.

Adebayor have to learn the art of scoring goals and Van persie have a real task ahead of him.

We need to buy a Big fwd and a Big defensive midfielder.

But once Wenger is there...we have plenty hope.



Plenty men memory short.  They forget that Arsenal youth team reach the League Cup final without the help of senior team players.

Touches, Diaby providing that steel that we lost when Viera left.

Van Persie is going to have a monster season.

Denilson (the U-23 Brazilian center midfielder) played well last year and will step up.

Hleb is now fully acclimatised to the English league so look for big things from him too.

Has Rosicky even started to show what he can do?  Watch this space.

Wenger signed the Polish keeper Lucasz Fabianski.  If anyone knows talent it is Arsegne.  Lehmann has one more good year left in him. 

With all that being said.....

We need a central defender in the worst way.  THAT is what I am concerned about.

Arsenal will challenge for honors this season as always.  Look for a top 3 league finish.


I would like to presribe a dose of reality.....

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The only proven star player left on that side now is Fabregas. You need stars to win you trophies.

A good defense is always more important than a potent attack.  Central defense of Gallas and Toure are a good pairing, but the cover is poor. Senderos and Djorou hardly inspire confidence, and in a long 60+ game season, good cover is needed in these key positions.

Arsenal is making no solid investment in the team geared at pushing for the league title, whilst all other teams are strengthening their teams. Gallas and all done start griping already.

This is Lehmann fall off year since he really eh have nothing to play for this year. He old plus international career over. Look out for some howlers early in de season before Fabianski step in.

The club is in disarray. The board dont know if they selling the team. Wenger won't commit and still sour over the David Dein issue. The franchise player Henry buss out. All in all, it ent no feel-good factor around Highbury these days.

Wenger doesn't understand the value of experience in a squad, hence his 1 yr contract after 30 policy.. Looks like Ljungberg out de door next once again devoiding de side of maturity and experience..

Arsenal will be competing for 4th/5th place this year
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Now I advise to take this dose twice daily with meals to prevent recurrence of hallucinations about pushing for any titles this year. Take as advised and see me again next May.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on July 23, 2007, 01:54:11 PM
The Appiah rumor was around before the start of last season too. And reports are claiming that Appiah has turned down other moves because he wants to move to Arsenal in particular.

I agree with Jahyouth that central defense is Arsenal's weak area.  End of last season they were even using Gilberto as a center back. IMO, Senderos and Djourou are not quality enough cover. Reports say that Sagna can play across the back line (dont know enough about him to comment), so maybe thats an option since Arsenal already has Eboue, Hoyte and Gilbert in the right back position.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on July 23, 2007, 02:09:18 PM
Allyuh lose ljungberg for a measly 3m pounds??

Tell dem freddie, tell dem....


West Ham signs Ljungberg from Arsenal

http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/7046354

LONDON (AP) - West Ham signed Fredrik Ljungberg from Arsenal on Monday, ending the Sweden captain's nine-year stay in north London.

The 30-year-old midfielder had been Arsenal's longest-serving player, scoring 72 goals in 328 games, but started just 16 Premier League matches last season because of injury.

The Hammers agreed to pay a fee that could rise to as much as 3 million pounds (US$6.2 million; €4.7 million), with Ljungberg signing a four-year contract.

Ljungberg becomes the second high-profile player to leave the Gunners since the end of last season, following Thierry Henry, and becomes West Ham's fifth acquisition since it narrowly avoided demotion from the Premier League.

"Two years ago when I signed my last contract, we talked a lot about the future," Ljungberg said. "We talked about buying top players ... but that never really happened.

"When Thierry left this summer, it felt a little bit like the end."


West Ham has signed Craig Bellamy, Scott Parker, Julien Faubert and Richard Wright for close to 20 million pounds (US$41.2 million; €29.8 million) since it beat Manchester United on the last day of the season to secure its topflight place.

Ljungberg joined Arsenal in September 1998 from Swedish club Halmstad for 3 million pounds (US$6.2 million; €4.7 million) and scored on his debut as a substitute against Manchester United.

He twice won the Premier League and won three FA Cups with the Gunners.

"I'd been there nine years, almost 10 years," Ljungberg said. "It's a big thing for me, but I want to go forward."                                                                                                                                                                                                       
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 23, 2007, 02:25:05 PM
This goes out to all bandwagonistas out there in trinbago!

when arsenal win things next season doh play yuh wasn't crying us down during summer!

allez! allez! wenger!

Let me make sure and quote this post, because I am sure we will return to this thread many times during the season after another gunner loss,and i dont want nobody editing the words they will then have to swallow.


whatever yes haha migth draw or loose one or two

btw nice pic of we boys in sunderland!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 23, 2007, 02:28:26 PM
leh we see what wenger could do with this bunch + he veterans.

Ins: Bacary Sagna (Auxerre, undisclosed), Lukasz Fabianski (Legia Warsaw, £2m), Eduardo da Silva (Dinamo Zagreb, undisclosed), Havard Nordtveit (FK Haugesund, undisclosed).

Outs: Jeremie Aliadiere (Middlesbrough, £2m), Fabrice Muamba (Birmingham, undisclosed), Mart Poom (Watford, free), Arturo Lupoli (Fiorentina, free), Thierry Henry (Barcelona £16.1m).





doh forget Ljungberg jus leave to......



gunners will be lucky IF dey finish in de top 5.

anyone predicting such nonsense really doesn't know thier football and appear to be riding on the red devils coat tail.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: ballpiyong on July 23, 2007, 03:04:46 PM
Arsenal Have nuttin to win next season is only SALTTT!!!!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Jah Gol on July 23, 2007, 03:28:51 PM
Ljungberg is one of the most underrated players around. Arsenal really losing a lot with him gone.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on July 23, 2007, 03:37:44 PM
Ljungberg is one of the most underrated players around. Arsenal really losing a lot with him gone.

Ljungberg is past his best and is very prone to injury. Great service to Arsenal and great memories, but time to move on
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: SOBRIQUET on July 23, 2007, 04:34:25 PM
Some ah dem arsenal fans suffering from "battered wives" syndrome.  They getting planass right thru from dat team  and constantly coming back for more.  Henry leave, Viera leave, Pires, Ljunberg, Reyes....all BIG BIG PLAYERS and they still  talkin nonsense bout how wenger doin the right thing!  How old is Giggsy and Scholes? Them men is the heart ah Man U and ushered in the youths nice nice last year.  Who ushering in the youths at Arsenal? Gallas? hahaha. yuh always need veterans. always.

Allyuh husband Wenger yet to sign a new contract.  Allyuh go keep taking them hard slap and wait for him to leave, before ya'll start questioning that relationship? Ah mean, committment to yuh squad is one thing, but turning a blind eye to all that abuse is another.  At least question the decisions nah!!! Have a opinion.

Compete? compete for wha? like allyuh aint seeing what Liverpool, Man U, Chelsea and Tottenham do this off season or wha? Who allyuh counter wid? Fabianski and Da Silva? cmon fellas....stop taking licks....
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: D.H.W on July 23, 2007, 06:31:57 PM
stueps arsenal in a mess  :D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: palos on July 23, 2007, 06:38:00 PM
One a de bess tings bout dis messageboard is de ability to go back in time...leh we say when a season done and see de dotishness some people was torkin and trow it back in dem face... 8)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Tongue on July 23, 2007, 07:54:37 PM
true eh!..back in dey blasted face  :devil: licks fuh all ah dem haters.....
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: davidephraim on July 24, 2007, 12:55:55 AM
gunners will finish 3rd

watch and see!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dat sounds about right.

Chelsea 1st - Manutd 2nd - Arsenal 3rd but then, there is always liverpool????  Forget I said anything..
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: redtrinigirl on July 24, 2007, 03:10:15 AM
I have always said the sign of a true fan is to stick it out through thick and thin.

ALL big sides have had periods of a slump in form, where they didn't win anything, where they were rebuilding. Anybody who says otherwise only following de EPL since 1999.

There was a time when Man U was in disarray and they wanted Fergie head. Allyuh forget bout dat? They wasn't winning boo!

Chelsea was all but gone from de top flight in de EPL until Abrahamovic buy dem, and dey get big money to spend.

Even Liverpool, that great champions league winner has had some quiet years. More than most of the other top teams tbh.

Like allyuh forget just 2004 Arsenal won de double, and without losing ah damn game all season. Allyuh memory short.

Arsenal will rise again. They will get de big names again. They will win things again. Life is a cycle and our time will come again.

Viva la Arsenal!!!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 24, 2007, 06:26:19 AM
kids

please save this i want to read all the post may next year.

man u we beat allyuh in d fa cup two years ago, we beat allyuh twice last year, all for nothing but bragging rights because you won the, league, chelsea won the two cups. and liverpool reach champs league final.

no more excuses proof is in the pudding the table doesn't lie

we lacked goals last year...things are gonna change, i can feel it.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: takenoprisoners on July 24, 2007, 10:35:38 PM
Ljungberg is one of the most underrated players around. Arsenal really losing a lot with him gone.

Ljungberg is past his best and is very prone to injury. Great service to Arsenal and great memories, but time to move on

http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=478376&CPID=8&clid=3&lid=1490&title=The+decline+of+Ljungberg

Wenger knows when to fold em.

The decline of Ljungberg
By Duncan Alexander -  Created on 23 Jul 2007
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Fredrik Ljungberg
The news that long-serving Arsenal midfielder Freddie Ljungberg has left the club to move to West Ham United was not unexpected but it will be a sad day nonetheless for many Gunners fans.

The Swedish international had racked up nine seasons under the tutelage of Arsene Wenger but leaves just a year before he would have been due a testimonial.

But perhaps it was the perfect time for Ljungberg to depart, before his reputation at the North London club had became permanently sullied, for the past two campaigns have rarely seen him hit the heights that were once his trademark.

  1998-99 1999-00* 2000-01 2001-02 2002-03 2003-04 2004-05 2005-06 2006-07
Appearances 16 26 30 25 20 30 26 25 18
Goals 1 6 6 12 6 4 10 1 0
Goals/game 0.06 0.23 0.20 0.48 0.30 0.13 0.38 0.04 0.00
Shooting Accuracy 53% 63% 55% 57% 67% 51% 70% 54% 50%
Goal Assists 0 2 6 4 1 5 8 3 0

Indeed, in his final two terms at Arsenal, Ljungberg scored only one goal, a paltry return from a player who twice racked double figures in a single season.

Interestingly, Ljungberg's shooting accuracy never fell below 50% in his time at Arsenal but the goals simply dried up in his latter years.

2006-07 also saw him fail to create a Premiership goal for the first time since his debut campaign.

Ljungberg also managed a mere 18 games last season, only one more than Thierry Henry, another Gunners deserter this summer.

And while Henry will plan to add to his glittering reputation at Barcelona, the feeling persists that Ljungberg has used his fabled sense of timing to make his move at exactly the right moment.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on July 24, 2007, 10:54:18 PM
Some ah dem arsenal fans suffering from "battered wives" syndrome.  They getting planass right thru from dat team  and constantly coming back for more.  Henry leave, Viera leave, Pires, Ljunberg, Reyes....all BIG BIG PLAYERS and they still  talkin nonsense bout how wenger doin the right thing!  How old is Giggsy and Scholes? Them men is the heart ah Man U and ushered in the youths nice nice last year.  Who ushering in the youths at Arsenal? Gallas? hahaha. yuh always need veterans. always.

Allyuh husband Wenger yet to sign a new contract.  Allyuh go keep taking them hard slap and wait for him to leave, before ya'll start questioning that relationship? Ah mean, committment to yuh squad is one thing, but turning a blind eye to all that abuse is another.  At least question the decisions nah!!! Have a opinion.

Compete? compete for wha? like allyuh aint seeing what Liverpool, Man U, Chelsea and Tottenham do this off season or wha? Who allyuh counter wid? Fabianski and Da Silva? cmon fellas....stop taking licks....
After all this talk Gunners beating Chelsea right through this year.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Jefferz on July 25, 2007, 10:25:33 AM
All the Arsenal haters will hurry up and hush dey ass soon enough.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: D.H.W on July 25, 2007, 02:00:42 PM
fack arsenal  :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: duscam on July 25, 2007, 02:27:06 PM
manchester will put it in alyuh "nani"  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: SOBRIQUET on July 25, 2007, 02:55:43 PM
Some ah dem arsenal fans suffering from "battered wives" syndrome.  They getting planass right thru from dat team  and constantly coming back for more.  Henry leave, Viera leave, Pires, Ljunberg, Reyes....all BIG BIG PLAYERS and they still  talkin nonsense bout how wenger doin the right thing!  How old is Giggsy and Scholes? Them men is the heart ah Man U and ushered in the youths nice nice last year.  Who ushering in the youths at Arsenal? Gallas? hahaha. yuh always need veterans. always.

Allyuh husband Wenger yet to sign a new contract.  Allyuh go keep taking them hard slap and wait for him to leave, before ya'll start questioning that relationship? Ah mean, committment to yuh squad is one thing, but turning a blind eye to all that abuse is another.  At least question the decisions nah!!! Have a opinion.

Compete? compete for wha? like allyuh aint seeing what Liverpool, Man U, Chelsea and Tottenham do this off season or wha? Who allyuh counter wid? Fabianski and Da Silva? cmon fellas....stop taking licks....
After all this talk Gunners beating Chelsea right through this year.

that sound good. but in morinho 3 years there, how many times Arsenal beat Chelsea, whether FA cup, carling cup or League title? .....want the answer?

00000000000000000000000000000000.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

 :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Carib-Briton on July 25, 2007, 03:29:22 PM
I Love Arsenal forever but my wife does beat when I show my true feelings  >:(

Is that so  :devil: ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 25, 2007, 09:05:31 PM
All the Arsenal haters will hurry up and hush dey ass soon enough.



too right jefferz too right, cannot wait for august 12th, that sunday man arsenal and chelsea play thier first games of the season, time will tell and the table never lies.

its easy to back jordan every season and say the bulls will win every year. but it takes a true man to stay true to himself and keep moving forward

viva arsenal!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Jahyouth on July 25, 2007, 09:50:34 PM
All the Arsenal haters will hurry up and hush dey ass soon enough.



too right jefferz too right, cannot wait for august 12th, that sunday man arsenal and chelsea play thier first games of the season, time will tell and the table never lies.

its easy to back jordan every season and say the bulls will win every year. but it takes a true man to stay true to himself and keep moving forward

viva arsenal!

good talk... where all the Chicago Bulls fans gone?  Long time anywhere yuh turn in Trinidad men is Chicago Bulls fans.  Whey allyuh gone?

Arsenal men, doh worry.  We go still challenge for top 3 honours this year.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on July 27, 2007, 11:35:15 AM
Imagine Trinidad in an annual Concacaf league. We beat the US both times. Draw with Mexico both times. But we go and drop a set of points against St Kitts, Barbados etc (in games that we should have won) and end up finishing 3rd in league. Half the season Stern was injured. And Kenwyne who had step up and was scoring real goals was injured for a large part of the season too. After the tournament Stern retire.

What you think would be the story? Men would be saying that once we put away the smaller sides we could win the tournament next year. We show that we have the quality when we beat the States. Yea, Stern retire but we miss him for half the season and we still showed class when he wasnt there.

But if is Arsenal you talking about in the same situation, men bawling you delusional.

I am quietly confident that Arsenal CAN challenge but I will wait and see before I start giving man talk. Cause the way I see it Arsenal fans who saying Arsenal will do this and that, eh no different from Man U and Chelsea fans who saying Arsenal will not do this and that.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 31, 2007, 07:13:48 AM
i just simply saying

i cant wait fo rit to start and start seeing results on the board, man u get away quiet a few games last year, pundits will continue to speculate, and haters will always look to step on yuh hand whuile you try to tie your laces.

but hear this we are not done for we are not going to be relegated and we are not going to do worse than we did the last two years, one of which was beat manu in the fa cup and twice in the season once without thierry. so we know our porblem, we not killing off teams not bulging the old onion bag, but we working on that and thingsa re gonan change i can feel it
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 03, 2007, 08:01:08 AM
right

so yesterday arsenal beat lazio 2-1

bendtner scored and eduardo scored the winner!

ajax on saturday bitches

warming up nicely bad news adebayor is out for the season opener lets hope not much longer
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: freakazoid on August 03, 2007, 08:26:20 AM
arsenal fans, right now in the epl standings the teams are listed in alphabetical order an arsenal are on top as a result of that. SO ENJOY IT.cause it aint going to happen once the season starts.

its a 3 horse race get with the program
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: TRUwarrior on August 03, 2007, 09:56:36 AM
AssAnal fans gettin  teef head wid dis pre season
allyuh winnin nuttin dis season...matter of fact spurs takin allyuh 4th place :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 03, 2007, 06:01:31 PM
are both of you snorting the dust from under your boots?(i really hope you both actually can kick a ball)

i know full well not to take these friendlies as gospel, but they are warming up nicely.

much better than man u against decent opposition?? not so nice when the shoe is on the other foot eh girls?

cannot wait for next sunday fulham better pray from a no score draw because my boys are chomping
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Jefferz on August 04, 2007, 07:50:54 AM
Van Persie to pick up where Henry let slack.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: morvant on August 04, 2007, 11:45:41 AM
what time is the game today?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 04, 2007, 11:49:21 AM
papers say after 3 on espn intl channel 61 i think
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: takenoprisoners on August 09, 2007, 10:56:00 PM
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=377722

Goal.com

09/08/2007 16:37
Wenger Explains Gallas Captain Decision
Manager Arsene Wenger has explained why William Gallas will become the new captain of Arsenal following the departure of Thierry Henry.


 
The Frenchman has acted as skipper for much of the pre-season, leading the young side to a number of impressive wins.

Manager Arsene Wenger has explained why the centre-back has been named full-time captain.

“[The captain] will be William Gallas,” he told Arsenal’s official website. “There will also be two vice-captains, Kolo Toure and Gilberto.
 
“I feel centre back is always the best position to lead on the pitch and it is Gallas who has more experience at the back. But Gilberto has always been a great captain and Kolo Toure has a stature too.
 
“As well I made a decision that I want all those experienced players, along with Jens Lehmann, to be involved off the pitch. Players like Jens and Gilberto can play the role of a club captain.

“They can have a very strong impact mentally on the team. I want them to take on that responsibility.”
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 10, 2007, 07:01:40 AM
i cyar feckin wait ppl cyar wait either cnc 3 or fsc showing it at 7am sunday!!
Title: Arsenal vs Fulham
Post by: JDB on August 12, 2007, 05:10:06 AM
First game, first minute, Lehmann gifts a goal to ex-United man Healy.

Nice start by the Arsenal.Warner starting in goal for fulham by the way.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: FireBrand on August 12, 2007, 05:17:28 AM
Tony Warner in goal for Fulham. He is playing really well....had 3 good saves for Fulham. Score still 1-0 Fulham at half-time.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: FLi ! on August 12, 2007, 06:19:01 AM
Tony Warner in goal for Fulham. He is playing really well....had 3 good saves for Fulham. Score still 1-0 Fulham at half-time.

Warner having an inspired performance. He's only playing because Niemi injured his wrist in the warm up.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: freakazoid on August 12, 2007, 06:33:46 AM
walcott more  overrated than adu........................ he need  another season. but defenders friten to tackle him because ah he speed
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: 2cents on August 12, 2007, 06:39:37 AM
Wenger sittin by idly while errbody else restock, how long he really feel d youth movement will last. As a Man U fan gettin talk from Arsenal men the past years I must say it will b sad to lose the banter as yall become less of a threat.
Speakin to my pops yesterday who live 10 mins away from d Emirates and inhaling the same fumes the rest of yall do, he think d team safe and will b surely top 2. I on d other hand takin note of what Mourinho say which is that Totenham is now one of d big 5 and what that means to me is one big team not makin Champions League, it kinda early but my pre-season vote is Arsenal.
Man U n Chelsea n maybe Liverpool have like 8 world class midfielders each so e-mail allyuh Wengeee and get in order. bless

This was my post July 19th...nuff said.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: FLi ! on August 12, 2007, 06:40:42 AM
walcott more  overrated than adu........................ he need  another season. but defenders friten to tackle him because ah he speed

He still needs to learn how to balance ball control with his speed, because he still has a tendency to get excited and try to blow past defenders, but forget the ball. SWP is a regular perpetrator of this.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: freakazoid on August 12, 2007, 06:44:21 AM
i now realise fulham is an american side  penalty van persie .....GOAL
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: freakazoid on August 12, 2007, 06:52:22 AM
hleb  .......arsenal 2 fulham 1
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: 2cents on August 12, 2007, 06:52:59 AM
hmmmm goat mouth yes..but no title hopes still.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Jahyouth on August 12, 2007, 07:08:31 AM
Arsenal 2 - Fulham 1

Any questions?   ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on August 12, 2007, 07:56:43 AM
the score could have been 5 or 6 -1 but this was a good result. once arsenal take care of home field advantage and grind out wins away from home i think they are definitely in with a chance this season.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: morvant on August 12, 2007, 01:34:41 PM
we winning de treble talk done
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 12, 2007, 05:08:33 PM
warner mudda so an so it qwoulda been 10 - 1!

bendnter impressing each game

hleb had a screamer

v persie ninja

rosicky okish

sagna ok

clichy ok nomor eback pass to lehman

toure champion

lehman wtf?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Jahyouth on August 12, 2007, 07:17:53 PM
warner mudda so an so it qwoulda been 10 - 1!

bendnter impressing each game

hleb had a screamer

v persie ninja

rosicky okish

sagna ok

clichy ok nomor eback pass to lehman

toure champion

lehman wtf?

Bentner will have a good season.  Arsegne say that since last month.

Sagna had an impressive debut.  he seems very solid.  Good going forward too.

ah eh even talking bout v. Persie

Hleb like he come to ball this season.  He deserve that goal today.

Rosicky need to step up his game a notch.

Clichy is an up and coming Ca$hley Cole.  He holding the left back nice, and giving the opposition problems going forward as well.

Two center backs hold nice today, but then is Fulham so we'll see

Look for Diaby to play in away fixtures.  the man is a Vieira clone

Lehman begging for a bench.  Remember we just buy a keeper eh

Good contribributions also expected from a youth man from Mexico named Vela who is a striker, and the Brazilian Under-21 captain Denilson (we know him already from the League Cup run last year).

 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 13, 2007, 07:24:18 AM
true

i guess this shows that all those nay sayers out there aren't smarter than the professor lol!

only game one, btu the team really is playing for each other

cant wait to see gilberto back

and for eduardo and adebayor to come back

diaby and denilson will shwo in carling cup

bendtner should bag 10 - 12
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: takenoprisoners on August 23, 2007, 10:46:39 AM
The Guardian

http://football.guardian.co.uk/breakingnews/feedstory/0,,-6871291,00.html

Injured Lehmann out for two weeks, says Wenger

LONDON, Aug 23 (Reuters) - Jens Lehmann has injured his
Achilles tendon and will miss Saturday's home clash with English premier league leaders Manchester City, Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger said on Thursday.
The goalkeeper aggravated a chronic injury during Germany's 2-1 win over England at Wembley on Wednesday, Wenger told a news conference.
Wenger said: "Jens is out and he will miss two weeks, I think. Maybe more. I don't know. He is going to see a specialist in Germany tomorrow. He had this injury before but it has got much worse."
Wenger said that Spaniard Manuel Almunia would replace Lehmann on Saturday.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: freakazoid on August 23, 2007, 10:52:28 AM
thats a nice way of saying u give him ah 2 weeks  4his laxative to wear out
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: christiano on August 23, 2007, 10:54:31 AM
ARSENAL RULE !!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on August 23, 2007, 11:33:23 AM
Arsene is a smart man.

He definitely tell Jens to take a rest....without making him look bad. :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Filho on August 23, 2007, 02:24:48 PM
Some of these Arsenal fellas kicking the ball like they have no technique dread...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSwLr58W5iY&NR=1
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Peong on August 23, 2007, 03:14:41 PM
And God smiles upon Arsenal....   ;D

Ketch kicks, Almunia is real headache too.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: takenoprisoners on August 27, 2007, 08:37:31 AM
Goal.com
27/08/2007 12:29
Are The Gunners Ready To Step Up?
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=395362

After a largely disappointing season, a summer of turmoil and disruption behind the scenes, and the departure of one of the Premier League’s greatest ever players, have Arsene’s talented ‘youngsters’ moved any closer to fulfilling their obvious potential? Goal.com's Jamie Obertelli analyses Arsenal's prospects...
Three wins and a draw from Arsenal’s opening four games represents a significantly better start to the season than the Gunners managed at this stage last term. Wenger’s men have yet to hit their stride, winning their domestic games by the odd late goal and failing to produce the kind of attacking football their fans have come to expect.
 
Arsenal’s footballing ability has never been called into question under Wenger’s tenure, but recently rival managers and players have had more success against them when adopting a more ‘physical’ approach. Teams like Bolton and Blackburn have picked up points by unsettling Arsenal’s more technically gifted players, and without the likes of Patrick Vieira in the line-up, Arsenal have often been labeled a soft touch.

What is significant so far this term is that the Gunners have managed to pick up vital points while playing poorly, a skill that was lacking last term and an ability that will prove vital if they are to achieve success this campaign. Henry’s departure seems to have galvanized the club’s young players who now look more prepared to scrap and fight for each other.
 
With Van Persie spearheading the Arsenal attack this season, it seems Wenger is still to make up his mind who will be his regular partner up front. Adebayor played his first game of the season against Manchester City on Saturday and lacked sharpness after coming back from injury, Eduardo Da Silva has shown promise but will need time to settle in and Walcott seems set for a role on the flanks for the time being.

One player that has shown real potential is Nicklas Bendtner. While the young Dane has much to learn, his enthusiasm, strength and aerial power offer Arsenal another option. The Gunners will need to find a regular partner for Van Persie, with Wenger announcing his intention to field two strikers rather than having Hleb in an advanced central position.
 
Many fans were somewhat perplexed by the Arsenal manager’s decision to snap up Bacary Sagna after the club had just secured both Eboue and Hoyte on long term deals. It now seems Eboue will be fielded on the right wing, allowing Sagna to slot in at full-back. The former Auxerre man has been a revelation since his move, adapting to the physical nature of the Premier League with remarkable ease.

Sagna is quick and strong, more defensively sound than Eboue and has shown he can also join in Arsenal’s attack, making good overlapping runs and delivering good crosses. However, Eboue has yet to flourish in his new role. The Ivorian has so far looked like a right-back fielded out of position and time will only tell if Wenger’s experiment will pay off.
 
Much has been expected of the talented Theo Walcott following a promising pre-season back from shoulder surgery. The former Southampton player has pace in abundance but so far has failed to show any real skill with the ball at his feet. He seems unable to use his physical attributes to escape his marker and has been guilty of making some poor choices with his distribution. Whilst Theo is still young, can Arsenal afford to wait for him to develop? Wenger has fielded Walcott on the wings but many fans feel he would be better deployed up front in the middle, where he has shown in the past that he can make good runs off the ball.
 
Flamini has decided to remain at the club after widespread speculation the Frenchman was set to leave in the summer in a bid to play first team football. Whilst most fans will agree that Flamini is not technically gifted enough, or physically imposing enough for a regular first team spot, his recent performances have highlighted his importance to the club. Flamini displays drive, commitment and desire every game and has actually pitched in with some important goals during his time at Arsenal. Add to that the versatility of being able to slot in at either full-back position and it is clear why Wenger decided to keep him.
 
One player that could hold the key to the future of this Arsenal side is Abou Diaby. The Frenchman returned from a career-threatening injury last term, but has so far failed to hold down a regular place in the side despite showing flashes of brilliance. It is somewhat perplexing that Wenger continually fields Diaby on the left wing when his talents are clear for fans to see when played in his favoured central position. The former Auxerre youth’s style of play and gangly frame reminds many of a certain Patrick Vieira, although Diaby seems to have more potential to develop the offensive side of his game.
 
Whilst there is no doubting the quality of Kolo Toure and newly appointed captain William Gallas, can the duo co-exist as a centre-back pairing? Both players seem far too alike and they have yet to convince when partnered together. The pair would benefit from a more traditional defender that can defend his box and clear his lines, someone committed and good in the air. Gallas had such a partner during his Chelsea days in the form of John Terry, and the Frenchman has yet to show the same level of performance since his move to the Emirates. Is this a coincidence? The closest player to Terry that Wenger currently has at his disposal is Senderos, who has yet to fully convince he can recapture the form that hastened Sol Campbell’s exit from the club. 
 
There is still so much uncertainty surrounding Arsenal’s season. Will Rosicky manage to play back-to-back games? Will Theo come good? How will Da Silva settle in? Can Robin Van Persie pick up where Thierry Henry left off? Will Arsenal finally learn how to defend from set pieces? If Wenger can field a settled side week-in-week-out, Gunners fans may well see the beginning of a new winning side and a new chapter in the Arsenal story.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on August 27, 2007, 09:49:45 AM
I like this article. If any coach can convert someone it is Wenger. Look for Eboue to learn the position and be effective. Once this happens it will free up Hleb to play behind Van Per much like Bergkam. For me this is Hleb's best position and that way he can thread balls left, right and central, plus attack from deep. Buh say wha I eh Wenger  :-\
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: takenoprisoners on August 28, 2007, 07:42:14 AM
Goal.com
Lehman on his way out? No achilles problem, but he is the achilles heel of Arsenal right now.
 
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=396548
28/08/2007 13:54
Lehmann Holds Crisis Talks With Wenger
Reports in the morning press suggest Jens Lehmann’s time as an Arsenal player is almost up, after the goalkeeper held showdown talks with manager Arsene Wenger yesterday.

The German is guilty of making two horrendous errors in the first three games of the season, both of which could have cost the Gunners vital points.

Arsenal’s number one gained international recognition during the 2005-06 season when his goalkeeping heroics helped Arsenal to a European record of clean sheets, as well as performing admirably for Germany in the World Cup.

However in the first game of the season against Fulham, Lehmann failed to deal with a back pass and allowed striker David Healy to slot home from close range after barely a minute of play.

Thankfully for the 37-year-old two late goals won the game for Arsenal and sparred the hapless keeper’s blushes.

During the next game in the Premiership against Blackburn Rovers, Arsenal were 1-0 up when Lehmann fumbled a tame shot from David Dunn, the ball slipping through his hands and into the back of the net, and the Gunners going on to draw thew game 1-1.

Lehmann was omitted from the squad that beat Manchester City at the weekend, however according to Arsenal it was due to an Achilles injury rather than his poor run of form.

But reports in the Daily Star suggest that the keeper was furious at being axed from the squad, saying he was fit to play before storming out of the training ground.

According to the paper, Lehmann held crunch talks with Arsene Wenger over his future, the results of which may be seen before the transfer window closes.

Goal.com UK
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: takenoprisoners on September 15, 2007, 12:40:08 PM
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_2711451,00.html
Nothing like a lil competition to get them men shooting.

Arsenal trio gunning for goals
Rosicky backs himself in bet

By Steven Morrison   Last updated: 6th September 2007

 
Arsenal's midfield stars
Arsenal playmaker Tomas Rosicky is backing himself to be the Gunners' top midfield goalscorer this season.


The Czech international is so confident of netting the most goals that he has entered into a bet with team-mates Cesc Fabregas and Alexander Hleb.

The young trio are hoping to contribute more to the score sheet this campaign, after the departure of the club's all-time leading goalscorer Thierry Henry in the summer.


Self-confidence

And Rosicky, who has 17 international goals to his name, has backed himself to score more than his midfield team-mates.

"We have talked about scoring goals in midfield - me, Cesc and Alex Hleb," Rosicky told Arsenal's official website.

Currently, Cesc Fabregas leads the way with the bet. However Rosicky expects to end the season victorious.

"I hope I can win it," he added. "It includes all competitions - Premier League, Champions League and FA Cup. When you look at those competitions last year I would have been the winner.

"It would be nice to win again but the most important thing is that we win the games. It doesn't really matter who scores."


Improvement
Rosicky is also looking to improve on Arsenal's trophy-less season last year, and admits the team were disappointed with their achievements in the previous campaign.

"Of course it was a disappointing season for us last time," he said. "We achieved just the minimum of what we wanted to achieve.

"On the other side, personally I felt I integrated into this team very well and it will only be better this time.

"We have a good squad now, there is a lot of competition and everybody wants to play but if I can play this season and stay free of injuries, it will be good for me and the team."
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 16, 2007, 12:53:09 PM
quiet confidence

next testr sevilla on wed, dat go be hard no ras!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Jefferz on September 16, 2007, 06:56:03 PM
ah tell allyuh early on, we takin de f**kin league dis year.

talk done.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: D.H.W on September 16, 2007, 07:05:05 PM
ah tell allyuh early on, we takin de f**kin league dis year.

talk done.

yeh right  ::)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: asylumseeker on September 18, 2007, 10:49:48 AM
Premier League leader Arsenal no longer needs Thierry Henry

By Robert Millward, AP Soccer Writer
PARIS — Thierry Henry's move to Barcelona has paid off.
For Arsenal, that is.


Leading the English Premier League by two points, the Gunners are doing just fine without their former superstar.

The French striker, who established himself as one of the game's greats in a Gunners shirt, now wears the blue and maroon stripes of Barcelona. While the Spanish club has stuttered to one win in three games and already trails rival Real Madrid by four points, Arsenal looks even stronger without Henry.

"It was important that we started the season well after losing Thierry Henry in the summer," Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger said after his team's 3-1 victory at north London neighbor Tottenham on Saturday. "And while a player like that will never be forgotten, we are moving on now."

"Of course, we have not forgotten about Thierry but we have shown that the team is blossoming and growing," Wenger said in a message to Gunners fans. "That was planned, of course, but you never know how fast it will happen."

Although Henry set a goal-scoring record for Arsenal (226 goals in 364 games) and set up countless goals for his teammates, there was a feeling around the club he left at the right time.

Maybe the Gunners became too reliant on Henry. And maybe Henry became too big for Arsenal.

The striker's body language suggested he was unhappy with the club's apparent lack of ambition in the transfer market. He admitted he was also disappointed that vice chairman David Dein was elbowed out of the club because the board disliked his support for American businessman Stan Kroenke, who wanted to buy the Gunners.

When Henry left to join Barcelona June 22, it seemed as if the Gunners had lost their prize asset.

Not so. The real asset is still with the club - and he used to be on Barcelona's books.


Cesc Fabregas has the potential to be even better than Henry. He splits defenses with his passes, is always available to receive the ball from a teammate and reads the game so well he is often starts and finishes moves to score from close range.

"If it becomes hectic he keeps his head and cools the game down when it becomes a bit nervous," Wenger said. "Suddenly he finds a good pass and gets you out of tight situations."

Against the Spurs on Saturday, the Spaniard put Arsenal ahead with a long bending strike into the top corner for his fifth goal of the season. The Gunners went to the top of the standings, two points ahead of Manchester City and main rivals Liverpool, Manchester United and Chelsea.

Fabregas acknowledges Henry's contribution to Arsenal but now believes the Gunners are in better overall shape to win titles.

"Thierry was an important player for a lot of years, but now he's not here, he's gone," he said. "We have to play more as a team like we're doing now. We're playing more collectively, more as a team and this is important.

"Scoring late goals shows we're strong physically and stay in games until the end, which is very important to develop spirit in the team. We never give up."

While Fabregas celebrated his fifth goal of the season - and third in the league - Henry is still looking for his first Spanish League goal for Barcelona. He made little impact in a 0-0 tie at Osasuna on Sunday. Even the Barcelona fans jeered their team at the end.

So it's a neat twist that a player Arsenal persuaded to leave Barcelona at age 16 for no transfer fee is now making the same impact as the star it sold to the Spanish club for $33 million.

The Associated Press

 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on September 22, 2007, 08:17:06 AM
Derby come like Lambs to the slaughter.
Arsenal just toying with them.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Midknight on September 22, 2007, 08:31:43 AM
ah thought wenger woulda rest fabregas and ah take way the captaincy off mih fantasy side from him.

He just get the assist on the adebayor goal  >:(
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: WestCoast on September 22, 2007, 08:33:02 AM
2-0 Arsenal
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Andre on September 22, 2007, 08:50:15 AM
Derby come like Lambs to the slaughter.
Arsenal just toying with them.

you mean Rams to the slaughter.

clinic going on.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on September 22, 2007, 09:20:44 AM
Yuh know when I watch Walcott I could see things that excite people about him. But i find he wasteful and predictable, almost every Arsenal attack breaks down when it comes to him. He have a lot to learn
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: skins on September 22, 2007, 09:29:25 AM
What a goal by Fabregas.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Midknight on September 22, 2007, 09:30:55 AM
What a goal by Fabregas.

mother...

I just hope Ronaldo decide to take example or i will be real vex. A goal and 2 assists and i take away the captaincy from the man *steups*
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: WestCoast on September 22, 2007, 09:32:36 AM
4-0  :o
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: skins on September 22, 2007, 09:38:25 AM
5 - 0 Arsenal  Adebayor
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: WestCoast on September 22, 2007, 09:42:31 AM
Hattrick
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on September 22, 2007, 09:42:57 AM
All i could say is Oh shit!  :o
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on September 22, 2007, 09:47:59 AM
Adebayor is a beast fuh real.

Arsene youth movement beginning to hit stride. This is a squad that could join the ranks of Barca, Real, Milan etc as squds man does watch just for the Beauty. Joga Bonito fuh real
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: WestCoast on September 22, 2007, 09:50:13 AM
allya tink day missin TH? :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: skins on September 22, 2007, 11:46:18 AM
I have a feeling if derby continue at the same paste they might concede over 120 goals this season and probably have a goal difference of minus 70.  ::)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on September 22, 2007, 01:23:17 PM
I have a feeling if derby continue at the same paste they might concede over 120 goals this season and probably have a goal difference of minus 70.  ::)

They stickin like glue fuh real  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on September 22, 2007, 03:59:48 PM
Bakary Sagna looking like a real good signing for Arsenal.
Clichy, Sagna, Toure and Gallas could be the strongest back 4 Arsenal has had in a while.

Yuh know when I watch Walcott I could see things that excite people about him. But i find he wasteful and predictable, almost every Arsenal attack breaks down when it comes to him. He have a lot to learn

Walcott had a poor game today. Lacked the composure that the rest of the team showed.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on September 22, 2007, 06:34:11 PM
What a goal by Fabregas.

mother...

I just hope Ronaldo decide to take example or i will be real vex. A goal and 2 assists and i take away the captaincy from the man *steups*

so u put ronaldo as captain against a midfield like chelsea?  yuh sounding like relegation zone material...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: freakazoid on September 22, 2007, 08:44:26 PM
big players step up in big games
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: berris on September 22, 2007, 08:46:31 PM
What a goal by Fabregas.

mother...

I just hope Ronaldo decide to take example or i will be real vex. A goal and 2 assists and i take away the captaincy from the man *steups*

so u put ronaldo as captain against a midfield like chelsea?  yuh sounding like relegation zone material...

 :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: takenoprisoners on September 23, 2007, 12:33:41 AM
http://media.putfile.com/Arsenal-1---0-Derby-

Diaby's cracker.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: triniairman on September 23, 2007, 06:30:17 AM
What a goal by Fabregas.

mother...

I just hope Ronaldo decide to take example or i will be real vex. A goal and 2 assists and i take away the captaincy from the man *steups*
I am ah Man.U fan and even I know is not to take the captaincy away from ah man like Fabregas, he inform and giving meh over 20-30 points for the last 3 weeks. ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: freakazoid on September 23, 2007, 06:38:46 AM
http://media.putfile.com/Arsenal-1---0-Derby-

Diaby's cracker.

careful ah d use of that word  ::)

and rule of thumb 4 selecting fantasy captain.........whoever striking or playing offensive midfield against derby  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Midknight on September 23, 2007, 06:48:39 AM
Fellas, the only reason I strip him of the captaincy is because I had ah feeling he woulda get ah rest for the first time of the season after the Champins league and International games.
So what if I get it wrong.

I cyah stand CR7 head, but if he's a big player is now he will react. the international break and CL games prove he hungry after the suspensions, and if he is a big player, he will never get a better chance to make Chelsea look bad this weekend than at home right after they reeling from Mourinho leaving.

Ah notice with all the ole talk, all alyuh men who laughing and bumping yuh gum busy smelling mih fart trails in the standings :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: berris on September 23, 2007, 07:29:56 AM
Fellas, the only reason I strip him of the captaincy is because I had ah feeling he woulda get ah rest for the first time of the season after the Champins league and International games.
So what if I get it wrong.

I cyah stand CR7 head, but if he's a big player is now he will react. the international break and CL games prove he hungry after the suspensions, and if he is a big player, he will never get a better chance to make Chelsea look bad this weekend than at home right after they reeling from Mourinho leaving.

Ah notice with all the ole talk, all alyuh men who laughing and bumping yuh gum busy smelling mih fart trails in the standings :devil:

MidKnight ..''So what if I get it wrong''?............ 32pts, dais all. ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on September 23, 2007, 07:49:26 AM
Fellas, the only reason I strip him of the captaincy is because I had ah feeling he woulda get ah rest for the first time of the season after the Champins league and International games.
So what if I get it wrong.

I cyah stand CR7 head, but if he's a big player is now he will react. the international break and CL games prove he hungry after the suspensions, and if he is a big player, he will never get a better chance to make Chelsea look bad this weekend than at home right after they reeling from Mourinho leaving.

Ah notice with all the ole talk, all alyuh men who laughing and bumping yuh gum busy smelling mih fart trails in the standings :devil:

midnight... CR7 burn meh once, never again nuh...

last week i tell mehself well first sweat back after that long ban, he go be eager to prove a point nuh. must put everton to de sword.. ah move like wenger and strip fabregas of the captaincy and give ronaldo...

well boy, de man PUUUUUUURGE down heself, meanwhile fabregas get a goal and an assist plus MOM bonus.. loss out on real points.. I was 14th with small points between me and the rest and nosedive bout 15 places.. nuff shitongs fly pass meh and laugh on de way up..

de indomitable pelau still trying to recover from that.. forget CR7 yes
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Midknight on September 23, 2007, 08:22:38 AM
Fellas, the only reason I strip him of the captaincy is because I had ah feeling he woulda get ah rest for the first time of the season after the Champins league and International games.
So what if I get it wrong.

I cyah stand CR7 head, but if he's a big player is now he will react. the international break and CL games prove he hungry after the suspensions, and if he is a big player, he will never get a better chance to make Chelsea look bad this weekend than at home right after they reeling from Mourinho leaving.

Ah notice with all the ole talk, all alyuh men who laughing and bumping yuh gum busy smelling mih fart trails in the standings :devil:

MidKnight ..''So what if I get it wrong''?............ 32pts, dais all. ;D

Berris boy...yuh maths teacher holding she head and bawling all now. Is 16, he still on mih team. And if CR7 deliver just 6 points, is only 10 (knock on wood)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: berris on September 23, 2007, 11:59:59 AM
Fellas, the only reason I strip him of the captaincy is because I had ah feeling he woulda get ah rest for the first time of the season after the Champins league and International games.
So what if I get it wrong.

I cyah stand CR7 head, but if he's a big player is now he will react. the international break and CL games prove he hungry after the suspensions, and if he is a big player, he will never get a better chance to make Chelsea look bad this weekend than at home right after they reeling from Mourinho leaving.

Ah notice with all the ole talk, all alyuh men who laughing and bumping yuh gum busy smelling mih fart trails in the standings :devil:

MidKnight ..''So what if I get it wrong''?............ 32pts, dais all. ;D

Berris boy...yuh maths teacher holding she head and bawling all now. Is 16, he still on mih team. And if CR7 deliver just 6 points, is only 10 (knock on wood)

Eh Eh. she doing fine and wud be proud becuz she teach meh 16 x 2 = 32
which is what yuh wudda get if yuh did use #4 instead of CR7 as yuh capt  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Peong on September 24, 2007, 08:22:58 AM
Updated: Sep. 24, 2007
Soccernet - Arsenal profits to provide £70m transfer warchest (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=466204&campaign=rss&source=soccernet&cc=5901)

Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger has been promised a mammoth £70million transfer kitty after Arsenal revealed themselves to be one of Europe's richest clubs.

Figures unveiled this morning show the Gunners' move to the Emirates Stadium has driven a near 50% increase in turnover to more than £200million for the year ending May 31, 2007.

That sum means they are only edged into second place in the continent's money league by Real Madrid.

But with operating profit of £51.2million, up an amazing 274%, the Premier League club now have a level of profitability far in excess of Real.

Match-day revenues of £3.1million per game at their new 60,000 home are double those generated at Highbury, and have seen the Gunners leapfrog main domestic rivals Manchester United and Chelsea - whose respective turnover for the same period was £167.8m and £152.8m.

The revelation of Arsenal's wealth is an ample response to those critics who questioned the effect the cost of relocation to Ashburton Grove would have on the club, and in particular Wenger's transfer funds.

But after reiterating that Wenger did not spend all his budget this summer, delighted managing director Keith Edelman claimed the Frenchman would now have previously unheard of sums available to reinforce his squad.

'I think we are in a very good position,' Edelman said. 'Clearly Arsene's performance and the team's performance on the pitch has been outstanding, obviously backed up by our very strong financial position.

'We gave Arsene a budget in the summer and he didn't even spend all of it on transfers and hopefully we'll be able to carry that forward into future years.'

He added: 'We have got plenty of financial firepower to makes the transfers Arsene wants to make.

'We had over £70million of cash at the end of the year and if Arsene wants to spend that money we will make it available.'

The results posted this morning have been achieved despite the lack of a mega-rich foreign owner, the source to which most rivals have turned to increase their clout.

With Red and White Holdings Limited, backed by Russian billionaire Alisher Usmanov, recently increasing their stake in the club to around 21%, rumours have abounded of a possible takeover bid.

But Edelman insists the results show there is no reason to change the way in which the club is run.

'We think it's very important as a board that the club develops revenues it generates itself and is not dependent on people putting money in every year, because that's not a very stable basis on which to run a club,' he told the Arsenal's website.

'We regard ourselves as custodians of the club and fans as well. It's important that the club does have a stable financial base.'

He added: 'If you look at the shareholders and the look at the board, we are all here because we love the club. Yes we want to run it well as a business, but only because we want to be a great club.

'That could be contrasted with what could be called financial owners, who come to purchase clubs to make money out of them and they don't have that affinity to be a rabid fan - to live, breathe and eat Arsenal Football Club.'

With the new Premier League TV deal yet to be reflected in their figures and the Gunners also set to launch their own TV channel in the new year, it seems everything is in place for the financial success to continue.

_______________________________________________________________

Time to bring in Ronaldinho!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: palos on September 24, 2007, 08:29:28 AM
Peeps tremblin sah.

I believe history will prove Arsene Wenger to be among the most astute and visionary managers in the history of the game.

His books should be must reads for all aspiring football coaches.  His approach to things like Nutrition, Philosophy, Psychology etc in football has revolutionized the English game and indeed, helped largely to bring it, kicking and screaming along the way, to a degree of professionalism that was unheard of prior to his arrival on the scene.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Andre on September 24, 2007, 08:31:42 AM
word. AW know how to run thing.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: JDB on September 24, 2007, 09:11:01 AM
'We think it's very important as a board that the club develops revenues it generates itself and is not dependent on people putting money in every year, because that's not a very stable basis on which to run a club,' he told the Arsenal's website.

Everybody kicking Chelsea when they down.

It is interesting to note that it was Wenger who set out the blueprint for Arsenal's future telling them that they had to  build a new stadium. This is similar to Ferguson at United who has driven the stadium expansion over the last 15 years, the scouting network, the training facility etc.

In both cases the club's finances are built on the manager's success on the field and his input off it, giving managers' total control over footballing matters, especially transfers. No director of football BS. The result is that even in rough times the board undertsands that you don't get in the manager's way. You give them time to work it out because if you hire someone to do a job you have to stand back and let them get on with it. Both Wenger and Ferguson have had lean spells, with several trophyless seasons, Mourinho didn't even have one trophyless season but he was under pressure.

The Chelsea model is different. The club's finances are not dependent on on-field success because they have no need to turn a profit. That is not a sustainable long-term model and it certainly won't Ownership believes that if it their money going in they should exert a greater role, despite the fact that they have less football knowledge than people who actually have a career in coaching and a history of success.

Just goes to show what a joke it was over there, despite the new money they still not ready. But say what it wasn't any better under Ken Bates so the current situation is still an improvement for what was a small broken club trying to compete with the big boys.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: freakazoid on September 24, 2007, 09:32:08 AM
Peeps tremblin sah.

I believe history will prove Arsene Wenger to be among the most astute and visionary managers in the history of the game.

His books should be must reads for all aspiring football coaches.  His approach to things like Nutrition, Philosophy, Psychology etc in football has revolutionized the English game and indeed, helped largely to bring it, kicking and screaming along the way, to a degree of professionalism that was unheard of prior to his arrival on the scene.

he is ah good coach yes ah go give him his pips straight up.what ii observe is how players does jus fit into his side without skipping ah beat. but most of arsenal effeorts seem to be spent targeting players from other teams youth academies. thats bizness so what i can say. they save alot of millions that way


ah want them to bounce up on mi big side barcelona. the only 2 sides who i think can really say they play the beautiful game
Title: Arsenal named England's 'richest' club
Post by: Bally on September 24, 2007, 10:23:29 AM
Arsenal named England's 'richest' club
 
September 24, 2007
By Jim van Wijk and Rich Jones Special to PA SportsTicker

LONDON (Ticker) - Arsenal revealed its status as Britain's richest soccer club on Monday after new figures show the club's move to Emirates Stadium helped increase turnover to more than $400 million.

The report - for the year ending May 31, 2007 - also revealed group operating profits up by an astonishing 274 percent, to $103.7 million.
These well exceed the likes of Manchester United and Chelsea - whose respective turnover for the same period was $339.8 million and $309.4 million.

Monday's announcement also rockets Arsenal into the same financial league as Real Madrid, whose turnover was $409 million for the 2005-06 season.

"The best way that Arsenal can continue to deliver success is by maintaining a business that pays its own way," Arsenal chairman Peter Hill-Wood said. "This philosophy helped establish our objectives for the club's move away from Highbury and Emirates Stadium now provides Arsenal with the increased income, profitability, cash generation and firm financial foundations from which we will continue to build trophy winning Arsenal teams for many years to come."

Arsenal's move to its new 60,000-seat home at Ashburton Grove from Highbury has proved more than a financially sound decision, with the long-term debt related to the move having also been refinanced into bonds which provide "a significant reduction" in annual service costs.

The club generated match day revenues of $183.5 million in their first season, representing some $6.3 million per game - more than double that of Highbury. Meanwhile, some 91 percent of the units at "The Stadium - Highbury Square" redevelopment are already pre-sold, with final completion sales expected to comfortably exceed $600 million.

Arsenal - currently in first place in the Barclays Premier League - saw its cash balances up to $149.6 million, from $72.1 million in 2006.

The figures are "before player trading and depreciation," and as such do not take into account the $32 million sale of Thierry Henry to Barcelona during the summer or other recent transfer dealings as manager Arsene Wenger reshaped his squad.

They would also more than backup the stance of the current board that the club does not need a wealthy backer to compete with the best.

Russian businessman Alisher Usmanov increased his shareholding in the club last week via Red and White Holdings Limited to around 21 percent, which makes the investment company Arsenal's second-largest shareholder behind director Danny Fiszman. American billionaire Stan Kroenke remains another significant investor, with a stake of just over 12 percent.

"We have always pursued, and intend to continue with, a policy of re-investing profits and surplus cash into team development," Hill-Wood said. "Emirates Stadium now provides the club with the firm financial foundations from which we will continue to build trophy winning Arsenal teams for many years to come."

The news means that Arsenal now has the "financial firepower" to compete with any club in the transfer market, according to managing director Keith Edelman.

"We have got plenty of financial firepower to make the transfers Arsene wants to make," Edelman declared. "We had over ($140 million) of cash at the end of the year and if Arsene wants to spend that money we will make it available."

"I think we are in a very good position," said Edelman on Arsenal TV Online. "Clearly Arsene's performance and the team's performance on the pitch has been outstanding, obviously backed up by our very strong financial position."

The results posted have been achieved despite the lack of a mega-rich foreign owner, the source to which most rivals have turned to increase their clout. Although Usmanov and Kroenke have significant holdings, Edelman insists the results show there is no reason to change the way in which the club is run.

"We think it's very important as a board that the club develops revenues it generates itself and is not dependent on people putting money in every year, because that's not a very stable basis on which to run a club," Edelman said. "We regard ourselves as custodians of the club and fans as well. It's important that the club does have a stable financial base."

Edelman believes that the club's success is a direct correlation to the passion the shareholders and the board share for Arsenal soccer.

"If you look at the shareholders and the look at the board, we are all here because we love the club," Edelman said. "Yes we want to run it well as a business, but only because we want to be a great club. That could be contrasted with what could be called financial owners, who come to purchase clubs to make money out of them and they don't have that affinity to be a rabid fan - to live, breathe and eat Arsenal Football Club."


 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: redtrinigirl on September 25, 2007, 03:28:03 AM

I believe history will prove Arsene Wenger to be among the most astute and visionary managers in the history of the game.


Fuh real! De man real, real good.

To all who wash dey mouth on Arsenal during the summer break, talking bout how we lose Henry, how Wenger eh buying nobody to replace him, we eh even making 4th place dis year, blah, blah, blah...... watch de scene now.

We top of the league, various people done have goals to dey name, we making de most money and profit in the country, we have ah A, B & C team dat could beat other EPL teams, and the guidance and vision of de man himself for years to come.

Ah said it here last year, trust de Wenger and have faith in de Young Guns!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on September 25, 2007, 06:53:06 AM

I believe history will prove Arsene Wenger to be among the most astute and visionary managers in the history of the game.


Fuh real! De man real, real good.

To all who wash dey mouth on Arsenal during the summer break, talking bout how we lose Henry, how Wenger eh buying nobody to replace him, we eh even making 4th place dis year, blah, blah, blah...... watch de scene now.

We top of the league, various people done have goals to dey name, we making de most money and profit in the country, we have ah A, B & C team dat could beat other EPL teams, and the guidance and vision of de man himself for years to come.

Ah said it here last year, trust de Wenger and have faith in de Young Guns!


i still not convinced..

i think their early season form also have something to do with a nice fixture schedule that help them to build up momentum..  fabregas has been outstanding too..

case in point, spurs get it rough with their schedule by having to play some big sides early, and some tough sides away from home, so they couldnt build up momentum..

i want to see this arsenal side pull points off liverpool, man utd and chelsea and beat the physical sides away from home like aston villa, everton and blackburn before i will say they are title contenders..

ps: henry was and is a goat
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on September 25, 2007, 08:26:02 AM
omar arsenal drew with blackburn away in a game that could easily have been one were it not for a clanger from lehman.  this season bolton has no big sam so they are definitely not going to be a bogey team for us. chelsea are reeling and very vulnerable i feel we could get at least 4 points from them if not more.  liverpool is beatable, especially if benitez keeps rotating his squad as he is doing.  i not shouting glory yet but i am pleased with the season so far.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on September 25, 2007, 09:04:53 AM
omar arsenal drew with blackburn away in a game that could easily have been one were it not for a clanger from lehman.  this season bolton has no big sam so they are definitely not going to be a bogey team for us. chelsea are reeling and very vulnerable i feel we could get at least 4 points from them if not more.  liverpool is beatable, especially if benitez keeps rotating his squad as he is doing.  i not shouting glory yet but i am pleased with the season so far.

fari last year Liverpool, ManU and Chelsea were not the problem for Arsenal. Just look at their results against those team. The problems were those games against teams at the bottom half of the table. I still say Arsenal needs another central defender & a quality goalkeeper. Look at what Van De Saar and Peter Chec are to ManU & Chelsea. those teams are hard to break down as it is and when teams do manage to get through, you still faced with outstanding goalkeepers.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on September 25, 2007, 09:23:46 AM
My impression is that last year Arsenal needed space to play. Any team that came in to play an attacking game was in trouble. They had problems with teams that played bunker defense and counter-attacked. They were also pegged as a "finesse" team that could be roughed up.

This season, apart from being more comfortable in the Emirates, they are more decisive in front of goal and seem to have come to grips with the physical play. There are still problems in defense. But now at least you know you won't get any madness from Lehman.  - And now we know they could buy defenders in January.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on September 25, 2007, 09:36:35 AM
omar arsenal drew with blackburn away in a game that could easily have been one were it not for a clanger from lehman.  this season bolton has no big sam so they are definitely not going to be a bogey team for us. chelsea are reeling and very vulnerable i feel we could get at least 4 points from them if not more.  liverpool is beatable, especially if benitez keeps rotating his squad as he is doing.  i not shouting glory yet but i am pleased with the season so far.

i not counting that blackburn game because it was early in the season when teams now getting their game together.. yes it was a good result but it was by no means a game that arsenal dominated..  i could point out the samba header that was cleared off the line, and a few other chances that fell blackburn's way..

fact of the matter is they still have a soft belly... they need to invest in that central defence, (cause senderos is la la to the power of 10, and makeshift gilberto dont cut it), and need a solid goalkeeper (never was convinced by almunia).. the good thing is that they seem to have a bit more steel in midfield for dem rough and tumble games, with diaby fit and coming thru, and then diarra (makalele prodigy) in de mix...

like i said.. when i see them deal with the sides i call there, and also take points off the big 3, then i will say yes this side have a shot at the title.. it dont take much for the wheels to fall off..

ps: underestimate chelsea at your own peril
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Carib-Briton on September 26, 2007, 04:40:09 AM
I haven't posted on here in a while but all I have to say in regards to Arsenal is  > ;D (And nobody tell me some sh!t about getting overexcited because I'm not, if you can't be pleased when your team is winning we can you)
Last night was good

Toure, Adebayor & Eboue Dancing.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mzxJTS5eTqg

http://youtube.com/watch?v=P2rLFnQWqUw

That is all for now. Just waiting for the next month to hit so I can buy tickets the December games


Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Filho on September 26, 2007, 06:08:29 AM


like i said.. when i see them deal with the sides i call there, and also take points off the big 3, then i will say yes this side have a shot at the title.. it dont take much for the wheels to fall off..



I think beating the physical, mid-table teams away from home, as you mentioned in an earlier post, will be more of a test for Arsenal. last year Arsenal had the best head to head between the top 4. ManU won the title cuz they were consistent. They only were able to beat Liverpool and lost home and away to Arsenal last year in top 4 encounters.

In any case..Arsenal fans should feel good. Their team is playing the best football in the EPL and even if you think they haven't had the hardest schedule, you could only play what is in front of you
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on September 26, 2007, 06:40:04 AM
I was gonna start a new thread for this, but lemme not water down the board with any more EPL threads...

but here's why in my opinion, ARSENAL WILL NOT WIN THE EPL..

credit where credit is due they are playing the best football of the season to date.. but lets analyze the results so far...

12 Aug         FU(H) 2-1  - expected to win
19 Aug        BR(A) 1-1  - tough game away from home. good win
25 Aug        MC(H) 1-0  - tough win at home
2 Sep        PO(H) 3-1  - expected to win
15 Sep     TH(A) 3-1 - good win but spurs in commess.
22 Sep     DC(H) 5-0 - expected to win


right... so i counting the blackburn and man city games as the best results to date, with the london derby win against spurs for good measure even though we all know what going on with spurs.. but in them results, nowhere am i seeing where this side's mettle has been seriously tested..

now i think the credentials of this side will be tested from late october during this stretch of games...

28 Oct    Liverpool (A) - hardest fixture of season to date.
3 Nov    Man. United (H) -  top of table clash
12 Nov    Reading (A) - away to reading will be tough
24 Nov    Wigan (H) -  expected to win.
1 Dec    Aston Villa (A) - away to aston villa will be tough
8 Dec    Middlesbrough (A)  - away to boro will be tough, but expected to win
15 Dec    Chelsea (H)  -   top of table clash, hard fixture.

so after this stretch of games, then we will see where this arsenal side stand... and then most crucially, check out their late season schedule to close out..

22 Mar    Chelsea (A)  - away to chelsea, hard game
29 Mar    Bolton (A)  - away to bolton, hard game
5 Apr    Liverpool (H)  - liverpool title contender, hard game
12 Apr    Man. United (A)  - away to man utd, hard game
19 Apr    Reading (H)  -  expected to win, but could be tough with reading fighting relegation
26 Apr    Derby (A)  - expected to win, unless derby they still in with a chance of fighting relegation, in which case could be tough away
3 May    Everton (H) -  everton will be fighting for uefa cup. hard game
11 May    Sunderland (A) - sunderland will be fighting relegation, hard game


so i'm sorry to pour water on the expectations of the ecstatic arsenal fans.. but arsenal's sweet early season fixture schedule going to come back and bite dem in de ass during the run-in next year... and unless they invest in some central defenders in january, they could be found wanting in de late season when injuries start to take their toll...

if i were a betting man, my money would be on man utd or liverpool to win the prem, but at the same time, football is a funny game and u never know..

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on September 26, 2007, 09:10:34 AM
what is this inconspicuous silence emanating from people like touches, RTG, palos, serial gumbumper, dwn, gunnerstunner?

reality bites??
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on September 26, 2007, 09:22:52 AM
i am not worried at all.  so called physical teams this year have to watch out for diaby...the man is silk and steel. and if he ent dey is diarra or wild man song for them. with respect to omar's post i think that we could get at least 17 points from that stretch of games if not more. reason being that while yes we have had an easy run in this has allowed us to build up momentum.  (another win last night against a decent newcastle side)   let's not forget that this team has already beaten lazio, inter and ajax in pre season (some say that doesn't count but say what).  last season the problem was not converting the many chances we create...this season is bullet from all over (denilson scored a cracker last night i believe) so epl teams beware.

with respect to defensive injuries, i feel that any team that reach the final of the champions league with flamini at left back should be able to handle most epl teams home or away, once they stick to the game plan.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Touches on September 26, 2007, 09:27:59 AM
Alright Omar lemme answer yuh...yuh want to play miss cleo lemme refute them comments yuh have there

28 Oct    Liverpool (A) - hardest fixture of season to date...we drawing 0-0 or winning 1-0. Benitez rotating too much
3 Nov    Man. United (H) -  top of table clash...we whet them twice last yr and will do it again.
12 Nov    Reading (A) - away to reading will be tough....Them taking more wood than a eskimo fireplace. Dey cutarse booked

24 Nov    Wigan (H) -  expected to win.

1 Dec    Aston Villa (A) - away to aston villa will be tough...I could see a draw but we winning 1-0.

8 Dec    Middlesbrough (A)  - away to boro will be tough, but expected to win...Is about 3 southgate side getting. Once we handle downing that side cyar make a note.

15 Dec    Chelsea (H)  -   top of table clash, hard fixture....when the africans going on duty...Chelsea only have licks coming they way.

so after this stretch of games, then we will see where this arsenal side stand... and then most crucially, check out their late season schedule to close out..

22 Mar    Chelsea (A)  - away to chelsea, hard game We beating that like a bad stepchile

29 Mar    Bolton (A)  - away to bolton, hard game...d jumbie allardyce gorn and Anelka may not be there anymore

5 Apr    Liverpool (H)  - liverpool title contender, hard game...draw

12 Apr    Man. United (A)  - away to man utd, hard game.....beating dem in Old trafford.

19 Apr    Reading (H)  -  expected to win, but could be tough with reading fighting relegation...licks again they wouldnt even have a squad left.

26 Apr    Derby (A)  - expected to win, unless derby they still in with a chance of fighting relegation, in which case could be tough away...steupss....this is just another opportunity to put fabregas or adeybaor as yuh fantasy league captain to collect 40 points.

3 May    Everton (H) -  everton will be fighting for uefa cup. hard game..Nope everton is not the same as last yr...3 points surety for arsenal

11 May    Sunderland (A) - sunderland will be fighting relegation, hard game....steups....Welcome to the EPL...another game to put adeybayor as captain and get about 40 fantasy league points.


Omar Arsenal have only one hard game this season and is Liverpool. Once we get a proper ref vs Manu we winning comfortably.

All wenger need is a keeper and a new stopper and we good.

Eduardo go be poison come january and I like how diaby lookin.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: redtrinigirl on September 26, 2007, 09:32:30 AM
what is this inconspicuous silence emanating from people like touches, RTG, palos, serial gumbumper, dwn, gunnerstunner?

reality bites??
Ahhh.... people at work boy. We busy.  ;D Wha yuh feel ah chillinghome or wha?

I see your point. Early fixtures have been kind. But that is not our problem. It will only serve to give the boys de practice they need to gel properly. I doh feel de big teams will cause no big set ah problems. Ah mean, look at last year. They either draw or beat the others in the big four.

De only team I really concerned about is Blackburn, cause dem like to rough we up man. But saying dat, dem boys battling hard with more attitude this rounds. I expect real yellow cards to fly whenever these teams meet.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on September 26, 2007, 09:36:23 AM
what is this inconspicuous silence emanating from people like touches, RTG, palos, serial gumbumper, dwn, gunnerstunner?

reality bites??
Ahhh.... people at work boy. We busy.  ;D Wha yuh feel ah chillinghome or wha?

I see your point. Early fixtures have been kind. But that is not our problem. It will only serve to give the boys de practice they need to gel properly. I doh feel de big teams will cause no big set ah problems. Ah mean, look at last year. They either draw or beat the others in the big four.

De only team I really concerned about is Blackburn, cause dem like to rough we up man. But saying dat, dem boys battling hard with more attitude this rounds. I expect real yellow cards to fly whenever these teams meet.

we draw with them away already and when they come in the emirates we will do for them, doh worry.  savage won't get way with his foolishness this time.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: redtrinigirl on September 26, 2007, 09:48:30 AM
what is this inconspicuous silence emanating from people like touches, RTG, palos, serial gumbumper, dwn, gunnerstunner?

reality bites??
Ahhh.... people at work boy. We busy.  ;D Wha yuh feel ah chillinghome or wha?

I see your point. Early fixtures have been kind. But that is not our problem. It will only serve to give the boys de practice they need to gel properly. I doh feel de big teams will cause no big set ah problems. Ah mean, look at last year. They either draw or beat the others in the big four.

De only team I really concerned about is Blackburn, cause dem like to rough we up man. But saying dat, dem boys battling hard with more attitude this rounds. I expect real yellow cards to fly whenever these teams meet.

we draw with them away already and when they come in the emirates we will do for them, doh worry.  savage won't get way with his foolishness this time.

Boy, even Fabregas getting on bad like a jep nest, fouling man and ting. We boys are growing up. Dey eh fraid nobody again, been there done dat and done see it eh nothing to frighten.

All who blast meh for supporting meh boys last season, when de chips were down, ah said it then, I'll say it again - a true fan supports when things are good and when things are bad. Have faith in your side and management to come good. Bad runs happen to any team, is how yuh bounce back next season dat counts.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on September 26, 2007, 10:06:10 AM
wait nuh redtrinigirl, since when you is a ArseAnal fan???

something about this wreaks of waggonism
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: redtrinigirl on September 26, 2007, 10:08:28 AM
wait nuh redtrinigirl, since when you is a ArseAnal fan???

something about this wreaks of waggonism

Ai! Ketch yuhself! Yuh cyah remember me and small mag having de cuss out over Arsenal last season (cyah remember if was early this year or late last year). And anybody who knows me knows I am an Arsenal fan. Why yuh think Omar call meh name in he ting? Steups!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: WestCoast on September 26, 2007, 10:08:43 AM
wait nuh redtrinigirl, since when you is a ArseAnal fan???
Man, Dis, ya have ah Data Base of who does support who or wha? :devil:
Type in meh name day nuh, dis PartZheimers holin meh today ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on September 26, 2007, 10:52:47 AM
wait nuh redtrinigirl, since when you is a ArseAnal fan???

something about this wreaks of waggonism

Ai! Ketch yuhself! Yuh cyah remember me and small mag having de cuss out over Arsenal last season (cyah remember if was early this year or late last year). And anybody who knows me knows I am an Arsenal fan. Why yuh think Omar call meh name in he ting? Steups!


like I say is a recent thing

is not like yuh is ah foundation ArseAnal supporter, I feel somebody on this forum influence yuh decision
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on September 26, 2007, 10:58:59 AM
wait nuh redtrinigirl, since when you is a ArseAnal fan???

something about this wreaks of waggonism

Ai! Ketch yuhself! Yuh cyah remember me and small mag having de cuss out over Arsenal last season (cyah remember if was early this year or late last year). And anybody who knows me knows I am an Arsenal fan. Why yuh think Omar call meh name in he ting? Steups!


like I say is a recent thing

is not like yuh is ah foundation ArseAnal supporter, I feel somebody on this forum influence yuh decision

i curious..

what is a "foundation" supporter?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: WestCoast on September 26, 2007, 11:14:23 AM
i curious..
what is a "foundation" supporter?
I tink dais when ya mudda was feedin ya, ya fuss bottle and ya fadda was saying, "ya better grow up to support X (put ya club name here) Football club" :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on September 26, 2007, 11:19:44 AM
i curious..
what is a "foundation" supporter?
I tink dais when ya mudda was feedin ya, ya fuss bottle and ya fadda was saying, "ya better grow up to support X (put ya club name here) Football club" :devil:


close

it start when yuh was breast feeding, and yuh father say "yuh better support Real eh!" but because yuh jes want to defy yuh parents yuh decide to support Barca
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Carib-Briton on September 26, 2007, 11:27:28 AM
what is this inconspicuous silence emanating from people like touches, RTG, palos, serial gumbumper, dwn, gunnerstunner?

reality bites??

Well. I don't come here much these days as I'm busy with other stuff so that may have to do with my ''silence'' I don't see how I could produce any ''noise'' when I'm here. Even when you made that post I was not here lmao not everyone is here at the same time.

As for your post, most people are going to is the negative when is not their team in the advance (a Key factor if anyone has studied Sport Psychology/Psychology) and your team personally has taken one of the biggest blows it could possibly have. Also Omar I'm saying you are Stupid because your not but don't you think that post is a bit of STATE THE OBVIOUS. A title takes hardwork and when your on top everyone wants to knock you down (that is the aim of the game of course so your team can get there) you've mentioned possibilities without realising Arsenal know they have to overcome that anyway, is a title meant to be a walkover? lol. ''ecstatic arsenal fans'' Well I said I'm pleased and ecstatic and please are not the same thing  ;)
People forget that Arsenal have one of the best records head to head amgost the top 4.

I've said from the beginning to my friends Arsenal will finish 3rd Minimum.

and yeah I agree Football does throw up Funny results from time to tome but be real if Arsenal did in the league I doubt it very much that many would think ''WHAT A SUPRISE? Arsenal in contention for a title and even possibly winning it!?!?!?  Never heard of that before!'' We all know it will be one for 3-4 teams and Arsenal is one of them for sure
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Carib-Briton on September 26, 2007, 11:28:49 AM
wait nuh redtrinigirl, since when you is a ArseAnal fan???

something about this wreaks of waggonism

Ai! Ketch yuhself! Yuh cyah remember me and small mag having de cuss out over Arsenal last season (cyah remember if was early this year or late last year). And anybody who knows me knows I am an Arsenal fan. Why yuh think Omar call meh name in he ting? Steups!


like I say is a recent thing

is not like yuh is ah foundation ArseAnal supporter, I feel somebody on this forum influence yuh decision
RTG has been an Arsenal Support from day.

I don't think she is a Waggonist.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 26, 2007, 02:03:25 PM
that silence is pride


like i said before the start of the season i can't wait for it to start, now we will wait n watch this unfold!


last laughs in may, get your tickets early to the gun show!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on September 26, 2007, 03:06:50 PM

I believe history will prove Arsene Wenger to be among the most astute and visionary managers in the history of the game.


Fuh real! De man real, real good.

To all who wash dey mouth on Arsenal during the summer break, talking bout how we lose Henry, how Wenger eh buying nobody to replace him, we eh even making 4th place dis year, blah, blah, blah...... watch de scene now.

We top of the league, various people done have goals to dey name, we making de most money and profit in the country, we have ah A, B & C team dat could beat other EPL teams, and the guidance and vision of de man himself for years to come.

Ah said it here last year, trust de Wenger and have faith in de Young Guns!


i still not convinced..

i think their early season form also have something to do with a nice fixture schedule that help them to build up momentum..  fabregas has been outstanding too..

case in point, spurs get it rough with their schedule by having to play some big sides early, and some tough sides away from home, so they couldnt build up momentum..

i want to see this arsenal side pull points off liverpool, man utd and chelsea and beat the physical sides away from home like aston villa, everton and blackburn before i will say they are title contenders..

ps: henry was and is a goat
You obviosuly have a derranged mind!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on September 26, 2007, 03:10:54 PM
omar arsenal drew with blackburn away in a game that could easily have been one were it not for a clanger from lehman.  this season bolton has no big sam so they are definitely not going to be a bogey team for us. chelsea are reeling and very vulnerable i feel we could get at least 4 points from them if not more.  liverpool is beatable, especially if benitez keeps rotating his squad as he is doing.  i not shouting glory yet but i am pleased with the season so far.

i not counting that blackburn game because it was early in the season when teams now getting their game together.. yes it was a good result but it was by no means a game that arsenal dominated..  i could point out the samba header that was cleared off the line, and a few other chances that fell blackburn's way..

fact of the matter is they still have a soft belly... they need to invest in that central defence, (cause senderos is la la to the power of 10, and makeshift gilberto dont cut it), and need a solid goalkeeper (never was convinced by almunia).. the good thing is that they seem to have a bit more steel in midfield for dem rough and tumble games, with diaby fit and coming thru, and then diarra (makalele prodigy) in de mix...

like i said.. when i see them deal with the sides i call there, and also take points off the big 3, then i will say yes this side have a shot at the title.. it dont take much for the wheels to fall off..

ps: underestimate chelsea at your own peril
Chelsea gone thru!!

No amount of ole talk from you will change that. When Chelsea could beat someone then come here critiquing the Gunners. Until then just watch the show, enjoy it, and learn from it.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 26, 2007, 09:09:49 PM
doh beat up on chelsea

i am so happy thier palace is cracking.

i am a purist and believe in the game over money, yes you need moeny to go far in football these days but arsenals/wenger/boards beliefs have been steadfast through rocky seas criticism and departures

arsenal will never pay more than what a player is worth will never succumb to ridiculous wages, all the negative talk about the new stadium abkrupting us lol, ppl forget wenger has a degree in economics lol.

 we are building a club that already has history, into a sustainable club that will continue to build on that history and hopefully emulate the achievements of liverpool, manchester united real madrid ac milan et all.

the future is bright but is not promised

as proud as i am to be an arsenal fan, i hope i never end up in a situation that chelsea fans are going through.

wish them the best and hope football prevails


Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: takenoprisoners on September 27, 2007, 04:53:26 AM
http://sport.setanta.com/en/Sport/News/Football/2007/09/27/Premier-League-Wenger-on-2m-Diarra/
Wenger reveals shock Diarra fee.

Chelsea fans may just be questioning the club’s money-men on Thursday after Arsene Wenger revealed the cut-price fee he paid for midfielder Lassana Diarra.

Wenger stole in on the very stroke of the summer transfer deadline to snap up Diarra, a France international who the Arsenal boss knew from the player’s Le Havre days.

Having become surplus to requirements at Chelsea, the 22-year-old decided to join up with Wenger, who could not believe his luck at the price Chelsea were asking.

“We got him and I must say it was for a lot less than the number in the papers – just £2m,” he told The Daily Star.

Diarra was arguably Arsenal’s man-of-the-match during Tuesday’s Carling Cup triumph over Newcastle, and he already looks settled in The Gunners’ slick passing game.

The Frenchman’s arrival could speed up the departure of Brazil international Gilberto, although the 30-year-old midfielder insists he is keen to extend his Arsenal stay.

“After this year I have one more year left on my contract and we will see if I can sort it out, like we did the last time my contract was down to its last 12 months.

“I have always said I want to stay at the club.”
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: morvant on September 27, 2007, 08:12:48 AM
gunners winning the treble

talk done
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Jefferz on September 27, 2007, 04:38:14 PM
Adebayor is the new Henry.

We takin it home dis year.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on September 27, 2007, 05:32:30 PM
what is this inconspicuous silence emanating from people like touches, RTG, palos, serial gumbumper, dwn, gunnerstunner?
reality bites??

i had nothing to say to ur post really. im no see-er man and i cant predict what going to go on in those fixtures. and if you look at all my posts youd realise im not the kind of person to bump my gum and say arsenal going and win this and that game and arsenal going and top the league. just like you said, we'll see where arsenal stands when the games are over.

however if you using arsenal's schedule as an argument against their title chances you not making much sense by coming and saying youd put ur money on liverpool or man utd. (ESPECIALLY LIVERPOOL).

you saying arsenal's results arent all that impressive. but liverpool and man utd's results aren't impressive either. THEY ARE WORSE. so i think thats where your argument is lacking strength. when i compare arsenal's games and results with those of man utd and liverpool i see that:

1. ARSENAL BEAT MAN CITY AND MAN UTD DIDNT

2. ARSENAL BEAT PORTSMOUTH AND MAN UTD AND LIVERPOOL DIDNT

3. ARSENAL BEAT TOTTENHAM MORE CONVINCINGLY THAN MAN UTD DID

4. HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR LEHMANN'S BLATANT ERROR ARSENAL COULD HAVE HAD A PERFECT RECORD

5. ARSENAL IS SCORING MORE GOALS THAN MAN UTD. NINE MORE GOALS IN ONE LESS GAME TO BE EXACT

6. TWO OUT OF LIVERPOOLS THREE WINS WERE AGAINST NEWLY PROMOTED TEAMS. AND THEIR THIRD WIN CAME FROM A LAST MINUTE FREE KICK. THEY DREW WITH BIRMINGHAM AT HOME

all im saying is that it makes no sense analysing arsenal's results without analysing their opponents' results as well.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 28, 2007, 05:08:28 PM
time to sorfen up the hammers tomorrow...they gonna come hard but were harder
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on September 28, 2007, 07:16:01 PM
what is this inconspicuous silence emanating from people like touches, RTG, palos, serial gumbumper, dwn, gunnerstunner?
reality bites??

i had nothing to say to ur post really. im no see-er man and i cant predict what going to go on in those fixtures. and if you look at all my posts youd realise im not the kind of person to bump my gum and say arsenal going and win this and that game and arsenal going and top the league. just like you said, we'll see where arsenal stands when the games are over.

however if you using arsenal's schedule as an argument against their title chances you not making much sense by coming and saying youd put ur money on liverpool or man utd. (ESPECIALLY LIVERPOOL).

you saying arsenal's results arent all that impressive. but liverpool and man utd's results aren't impressive either. THEY ARE WORSE. so i think thats where your argument is lacking strength. when i compare arsenal's games and results with those of man utd and liverpool i see that:

1. ARSENAL BEAT MAN CITY AND MAN UTD DIDNT

2. ARSENAL BEAT PORTSMOUTH AND MAN UTD AND LIVERPOOL DIDNT

3. ARSENAL BEAT TOTTENHAM MORE CONVINCINGLY THAN MAN UTD DID

4. HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR LEHMANN'S BLATANT ERROR ARSENAL COULD HAVE HAD A PERFECT RECORD

5. ARSENAL IS SCORING MORE GOALS THAN MAN UTD. NINE MORE GOALS IN ONE LESS GAME TO BE EXACT

6. TWO OUT OF LIVERPOOLS THREE WINS WERE AGAINST NEWLY PROMOTED TEAMS. AND THEIR THIRD WIN CAME FROM A LAST MINUTE FREE KICK. THEY DREW WITH BIRMINGHAM AT HOME

all im saying is that it makes no sense analysing arsenal's results without analysing their opponents' results as well.
Excellent Post!!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 30, 2007, 10:28:40 PM
so we without gallas, helb, rosicky, gilberto but we have denilson, diaby, bendnter, wallcot, eduardo....

like i said in summer i cyar wait fuh the season to start...now i cyar wiat fuh each and everynext game...yes its reasobable to assume that we will stumble or falter but i quietly believe they may emulate another unbeaten season in the premireship fingers crossed and quiet

i mean seriously i think teams should be scared that this team can possibly get stronger as we go down the season, only faltering block is the africans nations cup may take away fellas on song and euro qualifers may give us injuries we do not need, next game...sunderland

i love my trinis but unless carlos there and dwight have a blinding midfeild game they are going to be cut apart


Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kicker on October 01, 2007, 06:57:14 AM
i curious..
what is a "foundation" supporter?
I tink dais when ya mudda was feedin ya, ya fuss bottle and ya fadda was saying, "ya better grow up to support X (put ya club name here) Football club" :devil:


close

it start when yuh was breast feeding, and yuh father say "yuh better support Real eh!" but because yuh jes want to defy yuh parents yuh decide to support Barca

Then when yuh grow up, yuh realize yuh shoulda listen tuh yuh father.... ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on October 01, 2007, 02:24:28 PM
i curious..
what is a "foundation" supporter?
I tink dais when ya mudda was feedin ya, ya fuss bottle and ya fadda was saying, "ya better grow up to support X (put ya club name here) Football club" :devil:


close

it start when yuh was breast feeding, and yuh father say "yuh better support Real eh!" but because yuh jes want to defy yuh parents yuh decide to support Barca

Then when yuh grow up, yuh realize yuh shoulda listen tuh yuh father.... ;D

outside wit barca an real talk on this arsenal forever thread please
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on October 02, 2007, 06:21:37 PM
niceness

one nill to the arsenal!

not seen the game but from all accounts were getting things right dispite injuries this team wants to play and the players want toplay for the team.

i'm lovin it!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on October 25, 2007, 10:18:29 AM
GOOOOONERS!!!

its good!
its good to be!
its good to be a Gooner!

rigth so after the 3-2 win over sunderland, we mash up sparta 7-0, now we face liverpool saturday from miday, i always hold my cards close to my chest but i feel we will come away with the 3 points dispite it being our first prem game outside of london.

all the boys seem to be chomping at the bit for each game, helb is tearing up ppl, flamini gives no quarter, adebayor can never be underestimated, wallcot hungry, rosicky loving it, eboue is an energizer bunny, clichy and toure and gallas and sagna just cool taking no prisoners, and almunia quietly issing off jens.

raffa might take note on arsenal's wengerball! if it aint broke dont fix it!

walk on arsenal walk on
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 24, 2007, 03:47:44 PM
what is this inconspicuous silence emanating from people like touches, RTG, palos, serial gumbumper, dwn, gunnerstunner?

reality bites??

yeah boy reality biting like a toothless hooker
Title: now this is a gunner stunner...ah love it!
Post by: Mr Mc on December 06, 2007, 10:27:00 AM
Newcastle United 1-1 Arsenal
/ RivalsDM
Posted: 2 hours ago

Steven Taylor was the hero as Newcastle rediscovered their form just in time for Sam Allardyce to hold Arsenal to a 1-1 draw at St James' Park.
The 21-year-old struck on the hour to end a run of three successive home league defeats to relieve the pressure on their beleaguered manager.

After a run of five games which had yielded just one point, the prospect of an Arsenal rout on Tyneside, where both Portsmouth and Liverpool had won at a canter in recent weeks, was too much to bear.

However, Allardyce's men produced a performance of real character despite Emmanuel Adebayor's delicious fourth-minute opener to deny the Gunners a six-point lead at the top of the table and prevent themselves from slipping to a third successive home defeat for the first time in the Premier League.

A single point alone may not turn Newcastle's season or Allardyce's fortunes around, but the bulk of a crowd of 50,305 went home confident that better times lie ahead for the first time in weeks.


They will hope their side can build upon that platform when Birmingham head for the north-east on Saturday with pride restored and the relationship between players and supporters, which has appeared strained at times, renewed.

Allardyce and owner Mike Ashley shared a joke in the directors' box before kick-off on a night which was perhaps never going to be decisive for the manager, but was one on which his team needed to provide hopes that things will turn.

The smiles, however, had disappeared within four minutes as a piece of sheer quality illuminated the Tyneside night.

Unfortunately for the vast majority of the spectators, it came from a man in a red and white shirt as Adebayor, who had earlier earned the jeers of the home fans for complaining about Taylor's innocuous challenge, silenced them with a breathtaking finish.

Whether or not he should have been allowed to get in between central defenders Taylor and David Rozehnal will no doubt have been discussed in the dressing room at half-time, as the Togo striker controlled Emmanuel Eboue's cross on his chest before thumping an unstoppable volley past Shay Given.

It was just what Allardyce and his players did not need, but to their credit - and backed by fans who had booed them mercilessly during and after their 3-0 home defeat by Liverpool 11 days earlier - they fought back.

Few teams in the Premier League can match Arsenal's movement and passing, and the current crop of Magpies are not one of them.


However, there was no faulting their effort, commitment and desire to scrap for their lives as Joey Barton and Nicky Butt snapped into challenges and Alan Smith, playing in his favoured striking role, caused the Gunners problems throughout.

While Arsene Wenger's men were at times almost irresistible on the counter, Newcastle tried to hit back, and where they had not managed a single shot on target against Liverpool, threatened on several occasions.

Skipper Geremi saw a looping header fall just wide with Manuel Almunia beaten seconds after Adebayor's strike, and then sent the keeper full-stretch to keep out his 28th-minute free-kick.

Almunia just managed to get a hand to Taylor's goal-bound header 10 minutes before the break and Obafemi Martins saw a gilt-edged opportunity pass him by when Smith's 40th-minute flick-on skidded across goal without the Nigerian getting a touch.

The half-time whistle for once brought warm applause, but Newcastle returned knowing the hard work had barely started.

They started brightly once again as Charles N'Zogbia warmed Almunia's hands with a rising left-foot strike from distance which might have caused him real problems had it been set off a yard to his right.

But the threat posed by the visitors was reinforced on 50 minutes when Tomas Rosicky effortlessly made space for himself to play in Eboue down the right, although the full-back wastefully picked out only Given at his near post.

Gilberto threw himself into the path of Geremi's 53rd-minute shot, but it took some fine recovery work from Rozehnal and Barton at the other end seconds later after Adebayor had flicked the ball around the Czech defender and launched a lightning break with Rosicky.

However, Newcastle got their reward on the hour when Smith flicked on Habib Beye's cross and Martins dummied it for Taylor to fire home off the foot of the post.

Arsenal were clearly rattled as the Magpies sensed the tide had turned, but as time ran down, they started to find their feet once again.

However, although they continued to play with a swagger as the final whistle approached, it was the home side who came closest to winning it at the death.
 

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Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 12, 2007, 01:13:38 PM
 ok well we get licks in spain, bruise up in st james an shit dong we leg in boro.

so everyone is salivating now, and practicing thier vicious attacks on arsenal.

oh they had a good run
oh they had an easy fixtures they took advantage of
oh they play good when ppl respect them but can't handle pressure and wild play
oh hte wont last through december
oh they have a this squad
oh oh oh

well time will tell its what i have said from before the season began.

lets see if stau take some licks today with the "2nd string squad" then bring on chelski on sunday and liverpol won't be walking alone either!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on December 12, 2007, 01:32:04 PM
ok well we get licks in spain, bruise up in st james an shit dong we leg in boro.

so everyone is salivating now, and practicing thier vicious attacks on arsenal.

oh they had a good run
oh they had an easy fixtures they took advantage of
oh they play good when ppl respect them but can't handle pressure and wild play
oh hte wont last through december
oh they have a this squad
oh oh oh

well time will tell its what i have said from before the season began.

lets see if stau take some licks today with the "2nd string squad" then bring on chelski on sunday and liverpol won't be walking alone either!

*sniff sniff*...

there it goes..

that pungent smell of fear wafting in the wind again...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on December 12, 2007, 02:43:19 PM
...smells like victory...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 18, 2007, 01:06:08 PM
yes man!

so chelsea who have as mush footballing style as jack warner has morals were shown up on sunday. the keepers in the game made amazing saves, the forwards as well made amazing misses! wright-phillips/van persie.

the ref made some lame callss, lumping donkey terry broke his hoof.

arsenal maintain the one point advantage, we like it so, keep on pushing us guys.

cannot tell you how stoked i was to see fabregas, hleb, and flamini walk out in the starting line up.

only wish walcot was brought on to mak eashley cole look like a fool

anyway the youths are playing blackburn today, see you al lin bat n ball from 4

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 19, 2007, 07:14:52 PM
booo yaaaww!

the yutes beat blackburn 3-2 in et with 10 men!
 bring on spurs on sunday AND we play them in the semifinal legs of the carling cup

after spurs we got portsmouth, everton to end the month and year and on new years day we face west ham at home.

sounds like 12 points were going to have to fight hard for
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: takenoprisoners on December 21, 2007, 01:04:46 AM
Gunners show is Invincible!


PATRICK VIEIRA reckons Arsenal are playing better football than the Invincibles.
The ex-Gunners skipper led his unbeaten side to the title in 2004 with the help of legends Thierry Henry and Robert Pires.

But Vieira — now at Inter Milan — believes Arsene Wenger's current crop of stars are even more entertaining.

The French veteran, who left North London in 2005, said: “Arsene has done some great things and the players are responding to him at the moment.

“When I left, Cesc Fabregas had the chance to be selected. And he has since blossomed.

“Theirry has left and Emmanuel Adebayor has never scored so many goals. Robin van Persie also feels he is like a leader now.

“In my time, we had a great team. We played well and were physically strong.

"But this current team plays better football than in our day.

“Whether that means they are going to win something is another story.

"But whatever happens, Arsenal are one of the two or three teams in Europe who play the best football.


http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/article605413.ece
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 21, 2007, 06:43:32 AM
I'm Lovin' It!!!

arsenal have drawn AC Milan i nchamps league!

sweet, what a fantastic test of our teams mettle!

i believe we can get past them once we do the momentum can carry us to the finals!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 22, 2007, 05:45:34 PM
phew!!

spurs just have no luck at all

keane missed an open goal AND a penalty

then Bendtner comes on and first touch heads a scud missle into the yids net!

lovin' it!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Filho on December 22, 2007, 09:01:54 PM
phew!!

spurs just have no luck at all

keane missed an open goal AND a penalty

then Bendtner comes on and first touch heads a scud missle into the yids net!

lovin' it!

explain yuhself dere breds
cuz dat looking antisemitic.
of course yuh have the benefit of the doubt. jes explain what dat supposed to mean
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: JDB on December 22, 2007, 09:16:51 PM
phew!!

spurs just have no luck at all

keane missed an open goal AND a penalty

then Bendtner comes on and first touch heads a scud missle into the yids net!

lovin' it!

explain yuhself dere breds
cuz dat looking antisemitic.
of course yuh have the benefit of the doubt. jes explain what dat supposed to mean

Spurs are generally considered a Jewish club and have a large Jewish following. Moronic opposing fans use that word to refer to the club and its fans and now Spurs fans use the word to refer to themselves to try to take the sting out of it.

Of course this emboldens other fans to use it even more as a pejorative for Spurs more than Judaism, but it still seems to be an unecessary word to use..

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on December 27, 2007, 10:27:16 AM
next up... away to everton...

this fixture could break arsenal's season in two, with toure and eboue bussing it to de african nations just now...

mark my words...   :devil: :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: doc on December 27, 2007, 10:58:02 AM
next up... away to everton...

this fixture could break arsenal's season in two, with toure and eboue bussing it to de african nations just now...

mark my words...   :devil: :devil:
Ahh Omar, you leave yourself a "out" dey ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: redtrinigirl on December 28, 2007, 07:02:17 AM
Buh wha de jail?! Why Omar calling meh name when ah not around?  ;D

I had exams boy, then loads of work and lil projects to do, plus ah lil ting called a SOCIAL LIFE! So ah just passing thru these days.

Anyways, the boys are becoming men. Everybody talk bout de easy early season, so de boys getting ah chance to pass some real tests. I think they doing good. They eh crash and burn like some people on dis board hoping!

And yes, I will admit, ah nearly dead when we draw AC Milan. Kaka? Gattuso? Lawd fadda, Fabregas go get rough up in dat midfield, Gattuso go kill him. But say what? You can only become better if you face and overcome better or tougher opponents.

Yuh know my motto: Trust de Wenger, have faith in de Young Guns, and it eh over till de last game of de season!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Filho on December 28, 2007, 08:28:59 AM
Buh wha de jail?! Why Omar calling meh name when ah not around?  ;D

I had exams boy, then loads of work and lil projects to do, plus ah lil ting called a SOCIAL LIFE! So ah just passing thru these days.

Anyways, the boys are becoming men. Everybody talk bout de easy early season, so de boys getting ah chance to pass some real tests. I think they doing good. They eh crash and burn like some people on dis board hoping!

And yes, I will admit, ah nearly dead when we draw AC Milan. Kaka? Gattuso? Lawd fadda, Fabregas go get rough up in dat midfield, Gattuso go kill him. But say what? You can only become better if you face and overcome better or tougher opponents.

Yuh know my motto: Trust de Wenger, have faith in de Young Guns, and it eh over till de last game of de season!

Dat AC Milan vs Arsenal matchup go be real nice. That could easily be a final. I wouldn't worry about Fabregas..de man real tough. Is EPL he playing and he rough up Patrick Vieira 2 years ago when they thought patrick woulda mash him up. Plus Flamini have his back..and doh mind Flamini look like a choir boy, he does real pelt his frame. He is a small beast in de middle of the park and the most improved EPL midfielder imo and silently receiving the plaudits he deserves. Can't wait. I backing AC Milan, but I eh go feel no pain if Arsenal take them..I actually like the young gunners style of play and attitude.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Peong on December 28, 2007, 08:35:54 AM
Youngsters vs retirees.
I will be tuning in for this one.
Doh worry about Fabregas he could handle it.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: takenoprisoners on December 28, 2007, 01:54:00 PM
Fabregas is struggling since he came back off injury and his lack of form may be the reason for Arsenal not clicking on all cylinders. Diarra looked quite impressive against Blackburn, like Fabregas he is an excellent shielder of the ball and does not give up possession cheaply. Diarra deserves an opportunity to break into the first team based on his recent form and to keep the others honest.

You'd be mad to leave Arsenal: Wenger warning to Diarra and Diaby
Last updated at 18:14pm on 28th December 2007


Arsene Wenger maintains Arsenal's "young players are in paradise" having been given the opportunity to play for the first team so early in their careers.
The Gunners currently sit second in the Barclays Premier League heading into 2008, which could prove to be a vintage year for the north London club.

Following the summer sale of talisman Thierry Henry, Wenger's emerging squad showed great character to climb to the top of the league table, before being overtaken by Manchester United on Boxing Day, as well as reaching the semi-finals of the Carling Cup and to qualify for the last 16 in Europe.
However, there have been reports of frustration in the dressing room from some of the younger players at a perceived lack of regular first-team football - with the likes of 22-year-old Lassana Diarra, only signed from Chelsea during August, and Abou Diaby, 21, revealing they could consider a future away from Arsenal if things did not improve.

The Gunners boss, though, firmly believes everyone has to be content to bide their time, rather than complain about breaks not going their way.

Wenger declared: "You tell me one club in the world, of our size, that gives a chance to the young players as we do? There is not one.

"You go to Real Madrid, you go to Milan, where do the young players play?

"So at our club young players are in paradise, because usually they have to wait to 26 or 27 to get a chance in a big club."

The Arsenal manager continued: "I try to make everybody happy, but it is impossible.

"You cannot always feel sorry for players who are a bit frustrated.

"We are not in a kindergarten here - we are in a job for men.

"Why should I come up and give explanations for every individual who is not happy? It is a joke.

"When you are a professional footballer, competition is part of your job.

"Why should we suddenly all feel surprised a player is frustrated? You cannot be at our level at one of the biggest clubs in the world, paid at a fantastic level, and have no competition."

Wenger maintained: "At the end of the day, I will act for what is good for the club, because that is my first responsibly - what it important is what is good for hundred of thousands, not what is good for one."

The Arsenal manager, however, sees no reasons why Diarra - currently behind fellow Frenchman Mathieu Flamini in the central midfield pecking order - cannot go on to be a "fantastic player" for the Gunners.

Wenger insisted: "Diarra has a 100% professional attitude every day in training. He is in the squad tomorrow [against Everton].

"For me, players like Diarra are top, top level players. If you have a period for two or three months with the team doing well and you have a player doing well in front of you that is bad luck.

"But at the end of the day, it is a job for strong people and those who stay strong always come out.

"If they join a club lower in the league then they start saying: 'I should be playing at a top club'. You expect competition at a big club.

"Diarra has the talent to be at a big club. That is where his place is. It is as simple as that.

"He wants to play, I can understand that. He is unhappy not to play which I can understand as well.

"But you have to assess yourself and stay where you belong.

"He belongs at a big club because he has the talent for it. If he continues to fight then he will come through and play."

Arsenal surrendered their lead at the top of the table following a goaless draw at Portsmouth on Boxing Day.

It was the first time the Gunners had failed to score in the Premier League this season, and was a third away [Premier League] game without a win.

Wenger is anticipating another stern examination of his side's title credentials at sixth-placed Everton tomorrow - but declared: "We will be up for it. On that front, I have no problem.

"The last three games we have not created so many chances, but in the programme we have played Chelsea, Tottenham and Portsmouth away.

"We took seven points from three very difficult games and that is not disastrous."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/sport/football.html?in_article_id=504982&in_page_id=1779&ct=5
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mr Mc on December 28, 2007, 02:04:10 PM
sounds like there is trouble in NeverNeverLand...play nice kids play nice.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: takenoprisoners on December 28, 2007, 02:15:47 PM
sounds like there is trouble in NeverNeverLand...play nice kids play nice.

Gooners have enough yutes chomping at the bit, it is the kind of "trouble" many managers would like to have. ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on December 28, 2007, 02:23:35 PM
This thread should be called

ARSENAL FOREVER BEHIND UTD


f**k off you Gunners!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mr Mc on December 28, 2007, 02:24:12 PM
sounds like there is trouble in NeverNeverLand...play nice kids play nice.
Gooners have enough yutes chomping at the bit,
INSERT MICHAEL JACKSON REFERENCE HERE [_______________________________]
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on December 28, 2007, 07:31:15 PM
Flamini was in Diarra's and Diaby's position and look at him now.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Daft Trini on December 28, 2007, 10:16:54 PM
Just wanted to say "Kiss my Man U Ar$e" How does it feel to be in Second forever  :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Daft Trini on December 29, 2007, 11:54:41 AM
Everton 1 Arsenal 0
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Touches on December 29, 2007, 12:58:49 PM
Just wanted to say "Kiss my Man U Ar$e" How does it feel to be in Second forever  :rotfl:

3-1 now...you were saying  :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on December 29, 2007, 01:19:07 PM
Just wanted to say "Kiss my Man U Ar$e" How does it feel to be in Second forever  :rotfl:
My question to you!!!!!

LOSER!!!!!!

4-1

GUNNERS FOREVER!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Daft Trini on December 29, 2007, 02:58:15 PM
Well ah kissing some buck teeth assanal london gyul fuh all yuh right now. All yuh satisfied!  >:(
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on December 30, 2007, 10:21:28 AM
Well ah kissing some buck teeth assanal london gyul fuh all yuh right now. All yuh satisfied!  >:(
YES  :devil: :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on December 31, 2007, 06:30:42 AM
Interesting Stat for the Arsenal supporters:

Eduardo Da Silva has 9 goals in 12 starts (8 of the goals came in games he started).

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/players/gamelog?id=38178&cc=5901
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: takenoprisoners on December 31, 2007, 06:26:13 PM
Arsenal youth shade the old Invincibles


Kevin McCarra
Tuesday January 1, 2008
The Guardian

Arsenal have already surprised many people by holding the lead in the Premier League, but Arsène Wenger's team may be taken aback by the realisation that they are outdoing the 2003-04 team. It was unbeaten throughout the whole league campaign. Despite being beaten once the present line-up have more points than their predecessors did after 20 fixtures.
The present line-up holds the lead by 47 points to 46. "It is fantastic to hear we are doing better than in our invincible season," said Wenger. "What is important is that the confidence is back in the side." Arsenal, who meet West Ham this afternoon, had faltered slightly, but rallied on Saturday to beat Everton 4-1 at Goodison. There was an unusually direct tone to the fightback.

"An outstanding Everton team forced us to play long ball," said Wenger. "The weather didn't help and the pitch was not at its best. To be efficient we had to go for a more direct game. Maybe as well we could surprise Everton on that because teams don't expect it from us."
Eduardo's two goals at Goodison were his first in the Premier League. "He is cool," Wenger said of the Croat. "He just puts it out of reach of the keeper and you think sometimes the keeper could have done something about it. That is something instinctive that only some people have. Robbie Fowler had that."

Eduardo's form is important since the Arsenal manager reckons that his injured attacker Robin van Persie will be missing for a maximum of 10 days. There will be a lengthier absence for Kolo Touré and Emmanuel Eboué. Today sees their last Premier League game before flying out to the African Cup of Nations.

They could each miss a total of nine Arsenal matches should Ivory Coast get to the final. "I expect them to come back after 10 February," said a resigned Wenger, who expects his men to be involved in that final. The manager admits, too, that he did not worry about such an eventuality when signing the players.

"Unfortunately," he said. "I forget the African Cup. When it happens you think, 'Ahhh.' That is maybe one of the negative sides. I think, though, how good a player is and then wonder how we will cope with it." Wenger is convinced there is enough cover in the squad and suggests that nobody will be signed in the transfer window.

http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,2233820,00.html
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on December 31, 2007, 08:06:47 PM


James Lawton: Fabregas leaves beautiful game in gutter when he should be looking to the stars
Wenger denied that the reaction was exaggerated without any equivocation
Published: 01 January 2008
It was not as though Cesc Fabregas was without "form". A prime suspect in the notorious "Pizzagate" affair, a kid with as much attitude as skill to spare and with more than a handful of unsavoury incidents against his name, including an allegation backed by some compelling video evidence that as a mere 17-year-old he had stooped to spit at the fallen Michael Ballack in a Champions League game, he was at the very least a football angel with a dirty face and something less than an immaculate record for good conduct.

So why was his behaviour at Goodison Park at the weekend quite so shocking? Partly it was because we had come to expect more – a thousand times more.

This, after all, was the 20-year-old with the world of football at his feet. This was the precociously talented, feisty boy who, for the first half of the season, had been promising to become a man of sublime gifts and vast influence. He announced both his hunger and his ambitions, which included the captaincy of Arsenal. No one was less reticent about the fact that the departure of the great Thierry Henry was not a loss but an opportunity – for Fabregas and young colleagues who had their spirit sapped in the court of a huge but essentially ungenerous presence.

Yes, given all that, and Fabregas's wonderful vein of creativity which has been the brilliant thread of Arsenal's often breathtaking football, it was deeply depressing to see him writhing on the floor as though the illegally thrown but plainly innocuous arm of his Everton rival – and compatriot – Mikel Arteta had brought exquisite and disabling pain.

But there was something worse and it came later when Arteta reflected on the red card that his manager David Moyes was convinced had been produced by the referee only as a direct result of Fabregas's writhings.

If Arteta, a wonderfully fluent talent himself, a player who, before his dismissal, had consistently defied the idea that his team was hopelessly outgunned in terms of individual ability, had chosen to write a succinct epitaph to a year of unbridled cheating and sour spirit in football, he could scarcely have done better than in what we must believe were a few unguarded comments in the heat of a painful defeat.

Said Arteta, "Fabregas tried to gain an advantage for his team, which is normal, as I try to do as well, but sometimes you're disappointed, not because of a sending-off but because you lost a game you should have won."

There is only one translation and it is hard to imagine – at least outside the "exclusive" hotel in Manchester where United players staged their squalid impression of the fall of the Roman empire which created rage in the very bones of their manager, Sir Alex Ferguson – a more dismal commentary on the working values of big-time football in 2007.

What Arteta was saying was simple enough. There is just one legitimate cause for regret in today's football. It is to lose ... lose because, to re-employ his euphemism, you failed in your attempts to gain an advantage for your team. You didn't cheat well enough. You didn't manage to create the effect of serious injury. You didn't manage to confuse the man in charge of controlling the game, to bend utterly what passes for justice, and then, having pulled off the dark art, finally strut off the field with mocking applause for the raging home fans.

Fabregas's performance begged another question at Goodison. If the situation had been reversed, if Fabregas had held off Arteta with his arm, and the Everton man had gone down as though he had been hit by a sniper's bullet and then reappeared friskily scarcely a minute later, would the thunder of outrage have sounded quite so loud? Of course not. Arteta's quietly uttered truth went to the very heart of football's problem. It declared that who cheated best won – and this conditioned all other reactions to the impostors of win and loss.

Arsenal's manager, Arsène Wenger, who has given so much that is enduringly brilliant to the English game, and not least the first half of this current season, was asked if Fabregas's reaction had been exaggerated. He denied it. He said that Fabregas had been hit. There was no equivocation, no concession that maybe the boy wonder had a pain threshold that would have to be rated low in a nursery playpen.

And why would there be? It would make sense only of a grotesque parody of the behaviour of a true sportsman. It wouldn't square, certainly, with the nerve of Fabregas, the hard-edged fury of his best work in the closest situations, a contribution that has persuaded some of us that if he can maintain his rhythm and bite in the second half of the season he must win every award for individual achievement by a mile.

At times Fabregas suggests he has allocated for himself the noblest vocation of any footballer. He plays a game of beauty and magic. He creates opportunities where they apparently do not exist. He reminds us that, yes, football is a simple game, but only when an immense amount of hard work and intelligence is applied.

Yet at Goodison Park on Saturday night he carelessly deposited all of that in the gutter. He invited us to look into the dirt of football rather than up to the stars, and when he left us he did it with a cocky, unabashed stride.

Saddest of all was that he seemed utterly unaware that he had cheated no one more profoundly than himself.



 
 
 
 
 
 
© 2007 Independent News and Media Limited
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bourbon on December 31, 2007, 10:46:42 PM
The ACN to me is where Man U can catch Arsenal. I was expecting Arsenal to be in the lead before it...and slowly get overhauled. What i didnt expect was for Man U to get the lead and den loose it. I don't know if Arsenal go let that slip twice....buh we go see how it go. We done have dem Bullers in Blue crying.........
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: WestCoast on January 01, 2008, 08:50:50 AM
We done have dem Bullers in Blue moaning.........
armmm....
speak fa ya self eh :devil: :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on January 01, 2008, 12:00:22 PM


James Lawton: Fabregas leaves beautiful game in gutter when he should be looking to the stars
Wenger denied that the reaction was exaggerated without any equivocation
Published: 01 January 2008
It was not as though Cesc Fabregas was without "form". A prime suspect in the notorious "Pizzagate" affair, a kid with as much attitude as skill to spare and with more than a handful of unsavoury incidents against his name, including an allegation backed by some compelling video evidence that as a mere 17-year-old he had stooped to spit at the fallen Michael Ballack in a Champions League game, he was at the very least a football angel with a dirty face and something less than an immaculate record for good conduct.

So why was his behaviour at Goodison Park at the weekend quite so shocking? Partly it was because we had come to expect more – a thousand times more.

This, after all, was the 20-year-old with the world of football at his feet. This was the precociously talented, feisty boy who, for the first half of the season, had been promising to become a man of sublime gifts and vast influence. He announced both his hunger and his ambitions, which included the captaincy of Arsenal. No one was less reticent about the fact that the departure of the great Thierry Henry was not a loss but an opportunity – for Fabregas and young colleagues who had their spirit sapped in the court of a huge but essentially ungenerous presence.

Yes, given all that, and Fabregas's wonderful vein of creativity which has been the brilliant thread of Arsenal's often breathtaking football, it was deeply depressing to see him writhing on the floor as though the illegally thrown but plainly innocuous arm of his Everton rival – and compatriot – Mikel Arteta had brought exquisite and disabling pain.

But there was something worse and it came later when Arteta reflected on the red card that his manager David Moyes was convinced had been produced by the referee only as a direct result of Fabregas's writhings.

If Arteta, a wonderfully fluent talent himself, a player who, before his dismissal, had consistently defied the idea that his team was hopelessly outgunned in terms of individual ability, had chosen to write a succinct epitaph to a year of unbridled cheating and sour spirit in football, he could scarcely have done better than in what we must believe were a few unguarded comments in the heat of a painful defeat.

Said Arteta, "Fabregas tried to gain an advantage for his team, which is normal, as I try to do as well, but sometimes you're disappointed, not because of a sending-off but because you lost a game you should have won."

There is only one translation and it is hard to imagine – at least outside the "exclusive" hotel in Manchester where United players staged their squalid impression of the fall of the Roman empire which created rage in the very bones of their manager, Sir Alex Ferguson – a more dismal commentary on the working values of big-time football in 2007.

What Arteta was saying was simple enough. There is just one legitimate cause for regret in today's football. It is to lose ... lose because, to re-employ his euphemism, you failed in your attempts to gain an advantage for your team. You didn't cheat well enough. You didn't manage to create the effect of serious injury. You didn't manage to confuse the man in charge of controlling the game, to bend utterly what passes for justice, and then, having pulled off the dark art, finally strut off the field with mocking applause for the raging home fans.

Fabregas's performance begged another question at Goodison. If the situation had been reversed, if Fabregas had held off Arteta with his arm, and the Everton man had gone down as though he had been hit by a sniper's bullet and then reappeared friskily scarcely a minute later, would the thunder of outrage have sounded quite so loud? Of course not. Arteta's quietly uttered truth went to the very heart of football's problem. It declared that who cheated best won – and this conditioned all other reactions to the impostors of win and loss.

Arsenal's manager, Arsène Wenger, who has given so much that is enduringly brilliant to the English game, and not least the first half of this current season, was asked if Fabregas's reaction had been exaggerated. He denied it. He said that Fabregas had been hit. There was no equivocation, no concession that maybe the boy wonder had a pain threshold that would have to be rated low in a nursery playpen.

And why would there be? It would make sense only of a grotesque parody of the behaviour of a true sportsman. It wouldn't square, certainly, with the nerve of Fabregas, the hard-edged fury of his best work in the closest situations, a contribution that has persuaded some of us that if he can maintain his rhythm and bite in the second half of the season he must win every award for individual achievement by a mile.

At times Fabregas suggests he has allocated for himself the noblest vocation of any footballer. He plays a game of beauty and magic. He creates opportunities where they apparently do not exist. He reminds us that, yes, football is a simple game, but only when an immense amount of hard work and intelligence is applied.

Yet at Goodison Park on Saturday night he carelessly deposited all of that in the gutter. He invited us to look into the dirt of football rather than up to the stars, and when he left us he did it with a cocky, unabashed stride.

Saddest of all was that he seemed utterly unaware that he had cheated no one more profoundly than himself.



 
 
 
 
 
 
© 2007 Independent News and Media Limited
Post this shit somewhere else.

Gigsy my ass!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on January 01, 2008, 01:54:43 PM


James Lawton: Fabregas leaves beautiful game in gutter when he should be looking to the stars
Wenger denied that the reaction was exaggerated without any equivocation
Published: 01 January 2008
It was not as though Cesc Fabregas was without "form". A prime suspect in the notorious "Pizzagate" affair, a kid with as much attitude as skill to spare and with more than a handful of unsavoury incidents against his name, including an allegation backed by some compelling video evidence that as a mere 17-year-old he had stooped to spit at the fallen Michael Ballack in a Champions League game, he was at the very least a football angel with a dirty face and something less than an immaculate record for good conduct.

So why was his behaviour at Goodison Park at the weekend quite so shocking? Partly it was because we had come to expect more – a thousand times more.

This, after all, was the 20-year-old with the world of football at his feet. This was the precociously talented, feisty boy who, for the first half of the season, had been promising to become a man of sublime gifts and vast influence. He announced both his hunger and his ambitions, which included the captaincy of Arsenal. No one was less reticent about the fact that the departure of the great Thierry Henry was not a loss but an opportunity – for Fabregas and young colleagues who had their spirit sapped in the court of a huge but essentially ungenerous presence.

Yes, given all that, and Fabregas's wonderful vein of creativity which has been the brilliant thread of Arsenal's often breathtaking football, it was deeply depressing to see him writhing on the floor as though the illegally thrown but plainly innocuous arm of his Everton rival – and compatriot – Mikel Arteta had brought exquisite and disabling pain.

But there was something worse and it came later when Arteta reflected on the red card that his manager David Moyes was convinced had been produced by the referee only as a direct result of Fabregas's writhings.

If Arteta, a wonderfully fluent talent himself, a player who, before his dismissal, had consistently defied the idea that his team was hopelessly outgunned in terms of individual ability, had chosen to write a succinct epitaph to a year of unbridled cheating and sour spirit in football, he could scarcely have done better than in what we must believe were a few unguarded comments in the heat of a painful defeat.

Said Arteta, "Fabregas tried to gain an advantage for his team, which is normal, as I try to do as well, but sometimes you're disappointed, not because of a sending-off but because you lost a game you should have won."

There is only one translation and it is hard to imagine – at least outside the "exclusive" hotel in Manchester where United players staged their squalid impression of the fall of the Roman empire which created rage in the very bones of their manager, Sir Alex Ferguson – a more dismal commentary on the working values of big-time football in 2007.

What Arteta was saying was simple enough. There is just one legitimate cause for regret in today's football. It is to lose ... lose because, to re-employ his euphemism, you failed in your attempts to gain an advantage for your team. You didn't cheat well enough. You didn't manage to create the effect of serious injury. You didn't manage to confuse the man in charge of controlling the game, to bend utterly what passes for justice, and then, having pulled off the dark art, finally strut off the field with mocking applause for the raging home fans.

Fabregas's performance begged another question at Goodison. If the situation had been reversed, if Fabregas had held off Arteta with his arm, and the Everton man had gone down as though he had been hit by a sniper's bullet and then reappeared friskily scarcely a minute later, would the thunder of outrage have sounded quite so loud? Of course not. Arteta's quietly uttered truth went to the very heart of football's problem. It declared that who cheated best won – and this conditioned all other reactions to the impostors of win and loss.

Arsenal's manager, Arsène Wenger, who has given so much that is enduringly brilliant to the English game, and not least the first half of this current season, was asked if Fabregas's reaction had been exaggerated. He denied it. He said that Fabregas had been hit. There was no equivocation, no concession that maybe the boy wonder had a pain threshold that would have to be rated low in a nursery playpen.

And why would there be? It would make sense only of a grotesque parody of the behaviour of a true sportsman. It wouldn't square, certainly, with the nerve of Fabregas, the hard-edged fury of his best work in the closest situations, a contribution that has persuaded some of us that if he can maintain his rhythm and bite in the second half of the season he must win every award for individual achievement by a mile.

At times Fabregas suggests he has allocated for himself the noblest vocation of any footballer. He plays a game of beauty and magic. He creates opportunities where they apparently do not exist. He reminds us that, yes, football is a simple game, but only when an immense amount of hard work and intelligence is applied.

Yet at Goodison Park on Saturday night he carelessly deposited all of that in the gutter. He invited us to look into the dirt of football rather than up to the stars, and when he left us he did it with a cocky, unabashed stride.

Saddest of all was that he seemed utterly unaware that he had cheated no one more profoundly than himself.



 
 
 
 
 
 
© 2007 Independent News and Media Limited
Post this shit somewhere else.

Gigsy my ass!!


F^ck off! I will post what I want where I want! You don't have to read it!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on January 01, 2008, 03:45:00 PM
Eduardo gets another start. Eduardo gets another goal.  :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: takenoprisoners on January 02, 2008, 11:59:03 AM
Skysports.
Wenger praises Clichy
Wenger praises "awesome" Clichy


By Patrick Haond   Last updated: 2nd January 2008
Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger has praised French defender Gael Clichy's contribution to the league-leaders' conquering campaign.

The 22-year-old has been an ever-present for the Gunners in the league this term, starting all 21 of their games.

Wenger has praised the "awesome" aspects of his game and believes Clichy now looks an experienced player who can handle any situation.

The Arsenal boss told L'Equipe that Clichy was outstanding in the 2-0 victory over West Ham on New Year's Day.

"He assisted Adebayor, after the last one against Everton, which means two in two matches," said Wenger.

Improvement

"Actually, his improvement has been quite steady. Today we can notice he has no more gaps in his play.

"He is awesome in the quality of his passes, in his long passes, in his technical level. He can get out of any situation.

"I would say now he looks experienced. He really achieved a great last match."

Wenger has also revealed that he expects his African players to play in the FA Cup third round clash on Sunday before leaving for the African Cup of Nations.

"I believe Kolo Toure and Emmanuel Eboue will be able to play in the cup on Sunday against Burnley before leaving," he said.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_3016748,00.html
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Andre on January 02, 2008, 12:11:25 PM
(http://www.celesteyrojo.com.ar/Titulos/Club/Escudo.jpg)

(http://www.celesteyrojo.com.ar/Fotos/Especiales/2007/05.12.2007/Plantel.jpg)

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 05, 2008, 02:09:33 PM
phew!!

spurs just have no luck at all

keane missed an open goal AND a penalty

then Bendtner comes on and first touch heads a scud missle into the yids net!

lovin' it!

explain yuhself dere breds
cuz dat looking antisemitic.
of course yuh have the benefit of the doubt. jes explain what dat supposed to mean

must appologise, i never sought the root of that word and only repeated what i heard the spurs described as such by others(an ex of mine in london)

thanks for pointing it out, will take more care in researching new words especially slangs.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 05, 2008, 02:12:55 PM
This thread should be called

ARSENAL FOREVER BEHIND UTD


f**k off you Gunners!

i love it, every single man u "fan" like you that has to cuss, belittle, and disrespect other sides that are catching up with your greatness, just further concretes our emergence as the next true power house in english and european football. true we need a hand ful lof champs league cups but were not cussing down ppl were getting on with it. you should too. one more fa cup and we tie man u.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on January 05, 2008, 02:18:11 PM
Chelsea 1-0 QPR

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/fa_cup/7163956.stm

(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44336000/jpg/_44336872_pizarro203pa.jpg)
Claudio Pizarro
Pizarro celebrates but it was Camp who helped his effort into the net



Holders Chelsea edged past their west London neighbours but were helped by a Lee Camp own goal to seal their place in the FA Cup fourth round.

The Hoops's goalkeeper was helpless as Claudio Pizarro's low drive hit the post, rebounded off Camp's back and bobbled across the line.

Substitute Patrick Agyemang should have slotted past Hilario after the break as the well-organised visitors improved.

Rangers pressed late on but the below-par Blues dug in to progress.

Rarely do Chelsea host a side richer than themselves but their class prevailed in this battle of the billionaires, despite a spirited performance from the team 35 places below them in the league standings.

This local rivalry that has simmered without engagement for 12 years stirred the Hoops into action early on and they denied their neighbours the time and space to create clear chances.

But the visitors' early zest and work rate soon fizzled out and they fell behind on 28 minutes, albeit through a huge slice of fortune.

Pizarro swivelled on the edge of the box and crashed his low shot off the post, only for Camp to inadvertently knock it back in.

The goal settled the home side who wrestled control of the game in midfield with Steve Sidwell dictating the play.

Shaun Wright-Phillips went close when he fired over from the edge of the box, while Sidwell went even closer when he struck the post with a low drive from 25 yards that had Camp well beaten.

QPR, with five debutants in their starting line-up, failed to seriously trouble Hilario although Agyemang should have slotted past the keeper from close range. Instead, he scuffed his effort into the keeper's arms.

Akos Buzsaky, a former team-mate of Ricardo Carvalho and Paulo Ferreira from their time at Porto, failed to make any impact and was reduced to speculative long shots.

Didier Drogba, bound for the African Cup of Nations on Sunday, made his return from the knee surgery he underwent in early December. But he, and those behind him, struggled to kill off a dogged QPR.

But despite a valiant effort in the last 15 minutes, the four-time winners held out to progress.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 05, 2008, 02:19:26 PM
ah yes
what a festive season, 10 points from 12 not bad not bad.

sunday we face burnely FA 3rd round, these games are hard to predict, i see cesc rested and adebayor rested, with walcott bendtner and eduardo starting as is diarra and diaby, flamini, helb gallas, possibly gilberto but he might be suspect at center back. we will miss toure how much will be seen, as long as captain gallas is on the pitch he'll pull it together. Lehman might start too, if not then i am sure he's gone before the window closes.

after sunday we have a carling cup 1st leg tie at the grove against spurs, interesting game for sure!

then birmingham on sat again at home, nice!

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 05, 2008, 02:21:10 PM
Chelsea 1-0 QPR

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/fa_cup/7163956.stm

(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44336000/jpg/_44336872_pizarro203pa.jpg)
Claudio Pizarro
Pizarro celebrates but it was Camp who helped his effort into the net



Holders Chelsea edged past their west London neighbours but were helped by a Lee Camp own goal to seal their place in the FA Cup fourth round.

The Hoops's goalkeeper was helpless as Claudio Pizarro's low drive hit the post, rebounded off Camp's back and bobbled across the line.

Substitute Patrick Agyemang should have slotted past Hilario after the break as the well-organised visitors improved.

Rangers pressed late on but the below-par Blues dug in to progress.

Rarely do Chelsea host a side richer than themselves but their class prevailed in this battle of the billionaires, despite a spirited performance from the team 35 places below them in the league standings.

This local rivalry that has simmered without engagement for 12 years stirred the Hoops into action early on and they denied their neighbours the time and space to create clear chances.

But the visitors' early zest and work rate soon fizzled out and they fell behind on 28 minutes, albeit through a huge slice of fortune.

Pizarro swivelled on the edge of the box and crashed his low shot off the post, only for Camp to inadvertently knock it back in.

The goal settled the home side who wrestled control of the game in midfield with Steve Sidwell dictating the play.

Shaun Wright-Phillips went close when he fired over from the edge of the box, while Sidwell went even closer when he struck the post with a low drive from 25 yards that had Camp well beaten.

QPR, with five debutants in their starting line-up, failed to seriously trouble Hilario although Agyemang should have slotted past the keeper from close range. Instead, he scuffed his effort into the keeper's arms.

Akos Buzsaky, a former team-mate of Ricardo Carvalho and Paulo Ferreira from their time at Porto, failed to make any impact and was reduced to speculative long shots.

Didier Drogba, bound for the African Cup of Nations on Sunday, made his return from the knee surgery he underwent in early December. But he, and those behind him, struggled to kill off a dogged QPR.

But despite a valiant effort in the last 15 minutes, the four-time winners held out to progress.


why this posted in the ARSENAL forever thread?? mods deal with it please
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on January 06, 2008, 08:25:45 AM
Watching the FA Cup and thinking when Kolo gorn who should partner Gallas. Senderos whom I defended in the past is simply too nervous a defender. Wenger should experiment with Sanga, who played the role several times for his club in France. Eboue will be out as well so he will have to find a right back as well.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: palos on January 06, 2008, 12:42:30 PM
Watching the FA Cup and thinking when Kolo gorn who should partner Gallas. Senderos whom I defended in the past is simply too nervous a defender. Wenger should experiment with Sanga, who played the role several times for his club in France. Eboue will be out as well so he will have to find a right back as well.

It might well be Gilberto.  He's filled in there in the past.

A real long shot could be Abou Diaby but unlikely given Senderos' experience.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: takenoprisoners on January 06, 2008, 01:21:06 PM
Watching the FA Cup and thinking when Kolo gorn who should partner Gallas. Senderos whom I defended in the past is simply too nervous a defender. Wenger should experiment with Sanga, who played the role several times for his club in France. Eboue will be out as well so he will have to find a right back as well.

It might well be Gilberto.  He's filled in there in the past.

A real long shot could be Abou Diaby but unlikely given Senderos' experience.

Djourou will return to Gunners

Wenger has recalled Djourou  and  Hoyte is also available at RB.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_2991873,00.html

By Chris Burton   Last updated: 19th December 2007
FA Cup Football

Djourou will return to Gunners

Djourou: Will cover for Toure

Johan Djourou will definitely return to Arsenal in January when his loan deal at Birmingham expires.

Alex McLeish had been keen to keep the Swiss international defender at St Andrews but Arsene Wenger has requested that the player return to the Emirates.

Djourou had followed in the footsteps of Fabrice Muamba and Nicklas Bendtner by joining the Midlands outfit on-loan, but after making 12 appearances for the club he will now return to London.

The main reason behind Wenger's desire for Djourou to return to his parent club is that Kolo Toure is due to represent the Ivory Coast at the African Cup of Nations, a situation which will leave Arsenal short of defensive options.

Despite being disappointed that he is losing the player, McLeish accepts his fellow manager's decision.

Presence

"Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger has told me he is taking him back in January," the former Scotland boss told the Birmingham Mail.

"He will be a loss, for sure. It is disappointing that he is not going to be with us for much longer.

"But, you have to respect Arsenal's decision.

"Johan is a big presence of a boy, no doubt about that, and those kind of players seem to be a feature of many a squad in the Premier League."
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on January 06, 2008, 02:54:29 PM
Watching the FA Cup and thinking when Kolo gorn who should partner Gallas. Senderos whom I defended in the past is simply too nervous a defender. Wenger should experiment with Sanga, who played the role several times for his club in France. Eboue will be out as well so he will have to find a right back as well.

It might well be Gilberto.  He's filled in there in the past.

A real long shot could be Abou Diaby but unlikely given Senderos' experience.
Diaby trying to do too much right now. He is over-dribbling.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 08, 2008, 06:45:10 AM
Arsenal V Stoke/Newcastle

i don't mind either side, anyway bring on Spurs tomorrow (h) then birmingham (h) then fulham (a) then spurs 2nd leg (a) then to round out the month FA Cup (h) looking at the fixtures i would prefer stoke, as the next game after the FA Cup game is Newcastle (h)

what a month yes, hope we make it through un-injured, hope that toure and eboue and song get back in one piece and not fatigued from ACON. cus theres a full 4 more months of games after that, providing we make it to the fa cup carling cup and champions league finals too.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 09, 2008, 07:51:17 AM
Arsenal face Tottenham today in the 1st leg of the carling cup semi-final, Wenger mixes youth with experience for this tie, hope eduardo and van persie get on the score sheet

squad list:

Arsenal: Fabianski, J Hoyte, Senderos, Djourou, Traore, Diaby, Gilberto, Denilson, Diarra, Eduardo, Bendtner, Mannone, Walcott, G Hoyte, Randall, Lansbury, Gibbs, Perez, van Persie.

Tottenham: Robinson, Chimbonda, Dawson, Lee, King, Rocha, O'Hara, Jenas, Malbranque, Boateng, Lennon, Keane, Berbatov, Defoe, Cerny, Taarabt, Bent, Kaboul, Stalteri, Tainio.


Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: PantherX on January 09, 2008, 04:56:00 PM
All square today and frankly Arsenal were lucky to get the draw.  Bring on the second leg!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Daft Trini on January 09, 2008, 05:10:16 PM
As Commodus said to Maximus

"You just wouldn't die, would you!"

Some times I does feel this way about Assanal....

Tottenham, I hope Dan Schneider buy all yuh quickly and pump all yuh with some money, so all yuh could finally win something.... ;)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on January 09, 2008, 05:32:53 PM
All square today and frankly Arsenal were lucky to get the draw.  Bring on the second leg!!

Given the age of the Arsenal squad and the ambitions of Tottenham a draw might look like an Arsenal win to the press and the neutrals.

Very similar outcome to last season. Should be an interesting second leg.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on January 09, 2008, 06:15:54 PM
Diaby and Walcott are both over dribbling!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: PantherX on January 09, 2008, 07:59:58 PM
Given the age of the Arsenal squad and the ambitions of Tottenham a draw might look like an Arsenal win to the press and the neutrals.

Very similar outcome to last season. Should be an interesting second leg.

I recognize that it was a young side today but Arsenal have some of the best young talent in the Premiership.  The second team would probably finish mid-table if not better.

BTW the fleckin' goal came off of Walcott hand!!!!!!

Our luck going to turn eventually...............


Tottenham, I hope Dan Schneider buy all yuh quickly......

Who de hell is Dan Schneider????
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Daft Trini on January 09, 2008, 11:14:10 PM
Given the age of the Arsenal squad and the ambitions of Tottenham a draw might look like an Arsenal win to the press and the neutrals.

Very similar outcome to last season. Should be an interesting second leg.

I recognize that it was a young side today but Arsenal have some of the best young talent in the Premiership.  The second team would probably finish mid-table if not better.

BTW the fleckin' goal came off of Walcott hand!!!!!!

Our luck going to turn eventually...............


Tottenham, I hope Dan Schneider buy all yuh quickly......

Who de hell is Dan Schneider????

Sorry about the spelling but it Dan Snyder and he is looking to by Tottenham FC, he is currently owner of The Washington Redskins, one of the highest grossing teams in the world. In October he inquired about buying an english football team. Guess which team he chose  :rotfl:

Won't be the first NFL owner to buy a team in the EPL

Here is his bio:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Snyder
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 16, 2008, 07:39:06 AM
away to Fulham on Sat, hope stoke beat newcastle today :)

but christ we were shite at home to birmingham, and what a gift for man u too, they got to play newcastle at home and newcastle lost thier manager ripe for the picking.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: bigwrig on January 17, 2008, 08:42:40 PM
Van Persie and Djourou set for extended stay on sidelines
Fulham
Arsenal
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Fulham v Arsenal
Barclays Premier League
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Sat, Jan 19, 2008, 3pm
Click here for the Match Menu
 

By Richard Clarke

Arsenal will be without Robin van Persie and Johan Djourou for a few weeks.
 
The Dutch striker (thigh) and the Swiss centre back (groin) both picked up their injuries in the Carling Cup Semi-Final first leg against Tottenham on January 9. They missed the draw with Birmingham last Saturday and now it appears their absences will go on. However, on a brighter note, Tomas Rosicky will be back for the trip to Fulham on Saturday. The Czech midfielder fell ill on the eve of the game against Alex McLeish’s side.
 
“Compared to last week we have Robin van Persie who is out for a few weeks,” Arsène Wenger told Arsenal TV Online. “I believe Tomas Rosicky will be OK to come back.
 
“But Johan Djourou is out as well. He has had an inflammation of his groin and in the next two weeks he will not be capable to play.”
 
Arsenal TV Online subscribers will be able to see the full video interview on Friday morning. In it Wenger talks about: the departure of Lassana Diarra, the arrival of Kevin Keegan, the draw with Birmingham, the injury situation, the problems at Fulham and the appointment of Roy Hodgson.

[ Thursday, January 17, 2008]


Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 21, 2008, 01:04:23 PM
3-0 to the arsenal!

spurs tomorrow, should be a very interesting game, i think they will go with berbatov, keane, lennon, defoe, jenas. to take advantage of arsenals weakened back line which sees gallas coming in to bolster things.

then newcastle come to us on saturday for FA Cup 4th round and then 3 days later back again for premireship game at home. man i love this game
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on January 22, 2008, 07:26:44 PM
Tottenham 5-1 Arsenal

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/league_cup/7197913.stm

(Spurs win 6-2 on aggregate)

By Mandeep Sanghera

(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44374000/jpg/_44374209_spurs203x270.jpg)
Spurs celebrate after Robbie Keane put them 3-0 up against Arsenal


A pulsating Tottenham performance saw them run riot against Arsenal to book a place in the Carling Cup final.

Spurs got off to the perfect start when Jermaine Jenas angled in a shot to put them 2-1 ahead on aggregate.

Arsenal's Nicolas Bendtner then headed into his own net before Robbie Keane's 18-yard shot put Spurs 3-0 up.

Aaron Lennon sidefooted in for Spurs before Emmanuel Adebayor grabbed a consolation for Arsenal but Steed Malbranque's strike completed the rout.

Tottenham had been left rueing a late Arsenal equaliser in the first leg and they also had the psychological baggage of not having beaten their arch rivals since November 1999.

But with home advantage and Arsenal's penchant for fielding fringe players in the Carling Cup, Spurs scented victory and they grabbed an early lead.

Jenas was allowed time and space to drive a shot across goal and the ball went in off the post after three minutes.

Spurs gave Arsenal's defence no respite with their fluent and attacking football as they took a stranglehold on the match.

The Gunners were also starved of possession in attack and they rarely looked like levelling, due to a mixture of poor play and a determined White Hart Lane side.

Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger had kept faith with most of his second string for the game but drafted in a handful of first-team regulars in centre-back William Gallas, right-back Bacary Sagna and playmaker Alexander Hleb.

But the trio struggled to help their side break Spurs's grip and even the introduction of Cesc Fabregas for the injured Denilson did not help the visitors.

Instead, Bendtner's own goal added to the home side's lead after he headed in as he went up with Michael Dawson to meet a Jenas free-kick.

Arsenal were rattled and on the backfoot and Dimitar Berbatov should have inflicted another bodyblow to the visitors when he was clean through, only to hit the post with his shot.

(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44374000/jpg/_44374308_arsenal203x152getty.jpg)
Arsenal striker Nicolas Bendtner (left) and defender William Gallas argue in the 5-1 loss to Spurs
Arsenal's Bendtner (left) and Gallas had a row near the end of the game

Jenas poked into the side-netting just before the break but Spurs did not have long to wait for a third.

Lennon's delightful ball with the outside of his right foot sent Keane through to score with a shot which appeared to catch Fabianski by surprise and one he should have saved.

Almost immediately, Bendtner looked set to give Arsenal a lifeline, only to see his strike bounce the wrong side of the goal-line after hitting the underside of the crossbar.

It got worse for Arsenal when Lennon slotted in on the hour mark as Spurs threatened to run riot.

Adebayor's 20-yard strike was too late to give Arsenal a way back into the game and their frustration boiled over when Bendtner appeared to argue with his team-mate and goalscorer before exchanging angry words with Gallas.

Malbranque compounded Arsenal's misery as Juande Ramos secured a place in the Carling Cup final on 24 February in his first season in charge.

Tottenham: Cerny, Chimbonda, Dawson, King, Lee, Lennon (Huddlestone 74), Jenas, Tainio, Malbranque, Keane (Boateng 64), Berbatov (Defoe 64).
Subs Not Used: Robinson, O'Hara.

Booked: Malbranque, Jenas.

Goals: Jenas 3, Bendtner 27 og, Keane 48, Lennon 60, Malbranque 90.

Arsenal: Fabianski, Sagna, Justin Hoyte, Gallas, Traore (Eduardo 65), Hleb, Denilson (Fabregas 18), Silva, Diaby, Walcott (Adebayor 65), Bendtner.
Subs Not Used: Mannone, Flamini.

Booked: Justin Hoyte, Adebayor.

Goals: Adebayor 70.

Att: 35,979

Ref: Howard Webb (S Yorkshire).

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 22, 2008, 08:28:00 PM
yup we get bull, honestly wasn't expecting much from the game but jesus spurs were well up for it.

ah well, hopefully no hangover and newcastle will collect it on saturday

damn, a lil reality check today yes

D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mr Mc on January 22, 2008, 08:31:44 PM
yup we get bull, honestly wasn't expecting much from the game but jesus spurs were well up for it.

ah well, hopefully no hangover and newcastle will collect it on saturday

damn, a lil reality check today yes

D

cincoOOOOH!!!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 23, 2008, 06:43:28 AM
lol fuh real

but the clash between niko and ade sums up the shitty night arsenal had

if there is a footballing god they wildo the same to man u in two weeks time, i hope lol
Title: Kenwyne for Arsenal??
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 23, 2008, 12:37:32 PM
"rapid underground specualtion seems to have been given more fuel followng nikalas bendters bust upwith emmanuel adebayor.

seems arsenals scouts have an eye on the tall trinidadian striker. although the same type of player and adebayor, jones appears to be more mature than the danish moody striker.

however a straight swap is highly unlikely but the dane may return to birminigham with the rest of his youth and reserve team arsenal team mates hungry for regular first team appearances"
Title: Re: Kenwyne for Arsenal??
Post by: Big Magician on January 23, 2008, 12:42:33 PM
Jones for TnT.....for 5000US
Title: Re: Kenwyne for Arsenal??
Post by: WestCoast on January 23, 2008, 12:45:36 PM
i would like to read dat article
ya have ah link
please and thanks
Title: Re: Kenwyne for Arsenal??
Post by: Trinitim on January 23, 2008, 12:45:42 PM
 WHERE YOU SOURCE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOW WE KNOW THIS LEGIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Kenwyne for Arsenal??
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 23, 2008, 12:47:57 PM
no article

phone call with old english university buddy (spurs fan) he called to rub their victory in my face, he has a few contacts in the prem, he told me about diarra before you saw it on sites

its all specualtion and talk but where theres smoke theres fire.

i would love it if he did send bendter away
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on January 23, 2008, 01:08:12 PM
lol fuh real

but the clash between niko and ade sums up the shitty night arsenal had

if there is a footballing god they wildo the same to man u in two weeks time, i hope lol

Yuh rell funny and yuh located in the right place ST.ANNS!  :)
Title: Re: Kenwyne for Arsenal??
Post by: Jayerson on January 23, 2008, 01:44:42 PM
no article

phone call with old english university buddy (spurs fan) he called to rub their victory in my face, he has a few contacts in the prem, he told me about diarra before you saw it on sites

its all specualtion and talk but where theres smoke theres fire.

i would love it if he did send bendter away

Highly unlikely. That would be too good to be true.
Title: Re: Kenwyne for Arsenal??
Post by: weary1969 on January 23, 2008, 08:30:24 PM
D rumour mill real busy
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on January 24, 2008, 11:32:09 AM
lol fuh real

but the clash between niko and ade sums up the shitty night arsenal had

if there is a footballing god they wildo the same to man u in two weeks time, i hope lol

arsenal pride themselves on team spirit this season. so that clash surprise me. the loss - not so much. the margin - yea.

this is the 1st game that adebayor scored and arsenal didnt win?

hopefully tottenham can take some points off the rest of the big four, (or should i say 3?), in the league.







Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 25, 2008, 04:01:31 PM
bring on newcastle tomorrow and tuesday!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on January 28, 2008, 08:26:14 AM
woodgate to arsenal? what u think? i know he's highly rated but i haven't seen much of him. also the man real injury prone, so that is a worry.

just jumping the gun.

also, arsenal rumoured to be bidding for Deco.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on January 28, 2008, 12:50:28 PM
woodgate to arsenal? what u think? i know he's highly rated but i haven't seen much of him. also the man real injury prone, so that is a worry.

just jumping the gun.

also, arsenal rumoured to be bidding for Deco.

woodgate to tottenham
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 30, 2008, 11:49:39 AM
too much of a risk and would want garanteed first team starting.

nicely done the lads yesterday, flamini is this seasons gilberto

now we got , man city on sat. looking at fsc games no arsneal games for the month of feb?!?!?! hope sportsmax has at least theres fa cup arsenal v man u on the 16th feb, and then ac milan for champs league.

can't wait for kolo toure to come back from ACON btu i also want them to win, comng back with that boost would be great!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: grskywalker on January 30, 2008, 01:47:02 PM
Arsenal was on fire yesterday against Newcastle, ABEDAYOR was tormenting them constantly and I am very impressed with Eduardo as well. The first goal was a beauty, anyone who doubt or question ABEDAYOR'S role is an ass
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on January 30, 2008, 07:46:55 PM
Chelsea 1-0 Reading

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/7210586.stm

By Mark Mitchener

(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44393000/jpg/_44393215_ballackceleb_pa203.jpg)
Ballack (right) thanks Ferreira, who crossed for the only goal

Michael Ballack's first-half header helped Chelsea keep in touch with the leaders as Reading suffered their fifth successive Premier League defeat.

Ballack headed in Paulo Ferreira's right-wing cross in the 32nd minute as the Blues dominated the first half.

They were unable to score again in a nervy second half while Reading failed to make the most of several set-pieces.

The result meant Chelsea equalled a club record of nine successive wins in all competitions set in 2005.
It also meant that Avram Grant's record in his first 29 wins is exactly the same as Jose Mourinho's.

Claude Makelele, wearing a plaster over his left ear, needed to be alert within the first minute of the game as the fit-again John Oster swung a corner in towards the near post, but Chelsea's stand-in skipper was able to clear.

But after that initial foray, Reading spent the majority of the first half camped in their own half, trying to repel wave after wave of Chelsea attacks.

The Blues were presented with an early opportunity when a lunging challenge by Kalifa Cisse on Shaun Wright-Phillips allowed Ballack to try his luck from 20 yards, but Marcus Hahnemann got down well to smother the free-kick.

The American then had to be alert to palm away a curling effort from Joe Cole, and spread himself well when Wright-Phillips hurdled a challenge from Graeme Murty and burst through on goal.

However, Hahnemann looked less than secure minutes later, when his weak punch at Cole's corner looked to be squirming towards goal until Oster hacked it away.

Cole threatened again when an attempted cross from the right took a deflection and looped just wide of Hahnemann's far post.

Reading were still searching for their first away league win since April 2007 - but without the injured Dave Kitson, lacked a focal point up front where Leroy Lita and Kevin Doyle were spectators for most of the first half as their nine team-mates battled to clear their lines.

And their resistance only lasted just over half-an-hour as Ferreira raced to the byeline to deliver a pin-point cross, and Ballack rose imperiously above Stephen Hunt and Ivar Ingimarsson to head home.

Hunt was booed throughout by the home fans after his collision with Cech last season saw the Chelsea goalkeeper suffer a fractured skull - and was later on the receiving end of a fierce two-footed challenge from Alex that went unpunished.

(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44393000/jpg/_44393277_anelka_getty203.jpg)
Anelka could not find the net on his first home start for Chelsea

The visitors won a succession of corners leading up to the interval without ever really threatening, but Chelsea nearly doubled their lead within 12 seconds of the restart as full-back Nicky Shorey was caught napping by Cole, who shot agonisingly wide.

At the other end, Cisse looped a 20-yard shot over the bar and Ingimarsson headed a Hunt free-kick tamely wide but Cech in the Chelsea goal was rarely troubled as the visitors pressed for an equaliser.

When captain Murty finally got a good cross in for the Royals, Lita looked well off the pace as he failed to anticipate where Doyle was going to nod the ball down.

Nicolas Anelka was relatively quiet on his first home start for Avram Grant's side, dragging a left-foot shot wide - and wasting an even better chance to make it 2-0 when he headed straight at Hahnemann.

Oster nearly made Chelsea pay late on when his free-kick curled just wide - although that was to be the winger's last action before he was replaced by Marek Matejovsky.

The Ferreira-Ballack combination nearly produced a second goal reminiscent of the first, but the German could not direct his header on target.

There was also time for ex-Reading favourite Steve Sidwell to make a brief appearance from the bench against his old side as time ran out.

#
Chelsea boss Avram Grant:
"This is the first time we've seen the players tired in the last 20-25 minutes but they've played so many games in a short time and it's the same players - especially in midfield and attack, where you need to run a lot.

"But we could have killed the game off before that because we had so many chances in the first half and the first 20 minutes of the second.

"Reading came back at us, they didn't create chances, but they were close to our box. We needed to defend and we defended well."

#
Reading manager Steve Coppell on getting a first away win and moving clear of the drop zone:
"It's another opportunity gone for us but we look forward and we're confident we can get results away from home - it's come to the nitty gritty part of the season where we need to.

"This is a situation which has been developing for a long time. The league is clear-cut and for quite some time it's been any three from eight or nine.

"I don't think anybody in that group feels comfortable. We don't feel comfortable, we don't like being there, but we have plenty of games to do something about it."

Chelsea: Cech, Ferreira, Alex, Carvalho, Bridge, Wright-Phillips (Sidwell 85), Makelele, Ballack, Joe Cole, Anelka, Malouda (Pizarro 76).
Subs Not Used: Cudicini, Sinclair, Ben-Haim.

Goals: Ballack 32.

Reading: Hahnemann, Murty, Cisse, Ingimarsson, Shorey, Oster (Matejovsky 81), Harper, Hunt, Convey (Rosenior 85), Lita, Doyle.
Subs Not Used: Federici, De la Cruz, Bennett.

Att: 41,171

Ref: Mike Dean (Wirral).
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 01, 2008, 09:27:52 AM
Chelsea 1-0 Reading

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/7210586.stm

By Mark Mitchener

(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44393000/jpg/_44393215_ballackceleb_pa203.jpg)
Ballack (right) thanks Ferreira, who crossed for the only goal

Ref: Mike Dean (Wirral).

aye jackholio

STOP KISS MEH RASS POSTING CHELSEA ARTICLES IN AN ARSENAL THREAD!!!!!

GET A BARKING LIFE!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on February 01, 2008, 10:01:59 AM
Chelsea 1-0 Reading

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/7210586.stm

By Mark Mitchener

(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44393000/jpg/_44393215_ballackceleb_pa203.jpg)
Ballack (right) thanks Ferreira, who crossed for the only goal

Ref: Mike Dean (Wirral).

aye jackholio

STOP KISS MEH RASS POSTING CHELSEA ARTICLES IN AN ARSENAL THREAD!!!!!

GET A BARKING LIFE!!!


stop crying like a little bitch..

save dem tears for when yuh season crumble..   :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 01, 2008, 11:42:05 AM
Chelsea 1-0 Reading

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/7210586.stm

By Mark Mitchener

(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44393000/jpg/_44393215_ballackceleb_pa203.jpg)
Ballack (right) thanks Ferreira, who crossed for the only goal

Ref: Mike Dean (Wirral).

aye jackholio

STOP KISS MEH RASS POSTING CHELSEA ARTICLES IN AN ARSENAL THREAD!!!!!

GET A BARKING LIFE!!!


stop crying like a little bitch..

save dem tears for when yuh season crumble..   :devil:

oh gorm doh take it so! yuh blasted juvenille

talk yuh talk if you chelsea pass arsenal ok

in the mean time grow some hair on yuh balls and act like a man and stop posting irrelevant articles

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 01, 2008, 01:36:26 PM
damn

Almunia injur his thumb jens back in the line up, and gilberto out too
.

cesc helb n flamini with diaby or rosicky will run things ade and eduardo up front

gallas senderos sagna and clichy in d back

bring on man city who haven't lost at home this season
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: WestCoast on February 01, 2008, 01:41:18 PM
allya know who Sunderland playing next?

oh shyte, sorry, I in de wrong tred :devil:

easy Gunner ;D  :D ;)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 01, 2008, 01:44:22 PM
allya know who Sunderland playing next?

oh shyte, sorry, I in de wrong tred :devil:

easy Gunner ;D  :D ;)

hahahah
ok good one
at least you know when a jokes gone to far
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: WestCoast on February 01, 2008, 01:46:32 PM
I betta delete dat before Asylum come an say "I" does push basket :whistling:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Daft Trini on February 01, 2008, 01:50:35 PM
Glory, Glory Man United.... is something you could include on every thread!  :rotfl:

West Coast Trinderland FC playing Liverfool...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: WestCoast on February 01, 2008, 02:01:46 PM
West Coast Trinderland FC playing Liverfool...
an all along i tought dat day was playin arseanal :devil:

ok Stunner I dun....have a great weekend
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on February 01, 2008, 02:50:35 PM
And fuss i doh cater....

(scroll down and you'll see the article's relevance to Arsenal)



Portsmouth v Chelsea

Jermain Defoe is expected to make his Portsmouth debut at home to Chelsea and Benjani Mwaruwari could also figure.

Centre-back Sylvain Distin (hamstring) is almost certain to miss out, with Hermann Hreidarsson recalled.

Midfielder Frank Lampard could be on the Chelsea bench after returning to training, though he is not match fit.

John Terry remains out with a fractured foot, Andriy Shevchenko (back) is also expected to miss out and Ricardo Carvalho serves a one-match ban.

Portsmouth (from): James, Johnson, Pamarot, Distin, Hreidarsson, Davis, Diarra, Hughes, Pedro Mendes, Kranjcar, Baros, Defoe, Benjani, Diop, Mvuemba, Lauren, Aubey, Wilson, Begovic.

Chelsea (from): Cech, Cudicini, Hilario, Ferreira, Belletti, Alex, Ben-Haim, Ivanovic, A Cole, Bridge, J Cole, Wright-Phillips, Sidwell, Ballack, Pizarro, Lampard, Anelka, Malouda, Sinclair, Makelele.

#
Chelsea boss Avram Grant:
"I was at Portsmouth [as director of football] at the beginning of the year and I had a wonderful time.

"I enjoyed every minute of it. I like the club and the city and it will be exciting to go back as a manager.

"Harry has made huge progress. We know how they was before and now they are a legitimate team in the top of the table. He is a great manager."

#
Portsmouth manager Harry Redknapp:
"Jermain Defoe is the sort of player we've only dreamed about getting at Portsmouth. To actually have him here is fantastic.

"He's a top, top player, a real goalscorer and needs to be playing, but he didn't have that at Tottenham who have other terrific strikers in Dimitar Berbatov and Robbie Keane.

"We've wanted him for a long time and he's another great signing for us."

BIG-MATCH FACTS

Chelsea go to Portsmouth aiming to set a new club record of 10 straight victories in all competitions.

Avram Grant's quadruple-chasing west Londoners are now in a three-way fight for the Premier League title, trailing the top two by just four points. Significantly, Manchester United and Arsenal are still to visit Stamford Bridge.

Portsmouth were outclassed by a Cristiano Ronaldo inspired Manchester United on Wednesday night at Old Trafford. Now they play the eighth and last Premier League fixture against the "Big Four" clubs, and are yet to register a victory against them (three draws, four defeats so far).

How Harry Redknapp would love to register his 50th Premier League victory as Portsmouth manager (both spells), in this fixture.

The Londoners have gained five more victories on their Premier League travels, than Pompey have mustered at Fratton Park. But defeat here would be Chelsea's 100th loss away from home in the Premier League.

Chelsea are defending a 100% record against Portsmouth in the Premier League of nine wins out of nine, in which 19 goals were scored and just one conceded. All four previous Premier League visits to Fratton Park have been won by 0-2 margins.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: PantherX on February 01, 2008, 03:53:28 PM
Tottenham v Man Utd preview
Tottenham out to avenge cup defeat

Tottenham welcome Manchester United to White Hart Lane on Saturday hoping to halt the Red Devils' title charge.

United returned to the top of the Premier League on Wednesday as Sir Alex Ferguson's side brushed aside Portsmouth with ease.

However, Juande Ramos will be looking to avenge last weekend's FA Cup defeat to United, while the Spurs boss will also be keen to test his new look side against one of the best oppositions in the business.

Having replaced Martin Jol in October, Ramos has been one of the top flight's busiest bosses in the January transfer window as he attempts to stamp his own mark on the Spurs squad.

Ramos has brought in a host of defenders in Brazil left-back Gilberto, Alan Hutton, Jonathan Woodgate and Chris Gunter as his bids to plug Tottenham's porous back-line.

Gilberto and Hutton could make their debuts, while Woodgate is expected to continue after making his first start in the midweek draw with Everton.

Robbie Keane and Dimitar Berbatov's formidable strike partnership has forced Jermain Defoe to seek pastures new on the South Coast with Portsmouth and therefore the duo are expected to continue to lead the line on Saturday.

United have been in formidable form over recent weeks and have won nine of their last 10 league games.

Tottenham's main aim will be to stop Portuguese trickster Cristiano Ronaldo, who has scored 19 league goals this season, as the United winger continues to terrorise defences the length and breadth of the land.

Meanwhile, Ferguson is expected to recall Carlos Tevez, Ryan Giggs and Owen Hargreaves to the starting line-up after the trio missed out on a first XI place against Pompey.   When asked about the Chelsea intrusion into the Arsenal thread at Socawarriors.net he stated that "Arssenal are a **** side and Gunnerstunner needs to stop whining like Wenger".

Louis Saha (knee) and Gary Neville (ankle) remain sidelined through injury.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: FF on February 01, 2008, 03:59:39 PM
 :rotfl: :rotfl:

flawless victory
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: WestCoast on February 01, 2008, 04:03:10 PM
:rotfl: :rotfl:
flawless floorless  flourless victory
;)

who remember dis tred (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=31081.msg356805#msg356805) ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 01, 2008, 07:30:24 PM
this proves my point again

arsenal haters, just deep down yuh fraid

were no pretenders, we keep pushing and will earn our titles in time

man u fans better pray fergie is immortal. when he's gone yuh done

for all the criers dongers, arsenal getting relegated etc, hush yuh mouts!


again i cannot wait until may

the donkeys will continue to bray we will continue to collect silverware till one day were equal to man u and closing in on liverpool

you guys are just jealous were stealing some lime lligth from man us glorious days in the 90's and early 00's



Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 02, 2008, 08:36:34 AM
oh yes 5 minutes to go man city 1 - 3 arsenal

adebayor eduardo and adebayor

loverly

now here's hoping spurs can emulate thier carling cup heroics and bull manu, having said that, spurs never do us any favors

spurs 6 manu 0 would be dream land ah well


Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on February 02, 2008, 09:19:34 AM
Chelsea 0 - Portsmouth 0

I know yuh really wanted to have the up-to-the-minute Chelsea news.

 :devil: :devil: :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Daft Trini on February 02, 2008, 09:29:57 AM
Man U- 0 vs Tottieham 1

I thought I should join in de score, since Assanal leading the table
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: PantherX on February 02, 2008, 11:21:02 AM
Arse get a gift from Spurs today....two points of breathing room.

Should have been 3 but for Dawson's shenanigans in the 94th min.....Fergie must have a real good obeahman.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 02, 2008, 06:26:54 PM
Arse get a gift from Spurs today....two points of breathing room.

Should have been 3 but for Dawson's shenanigans in the 94th min.....Fergie must have a real good obeahman.

thank you spurs!  although i feel you should carry dawson and give the cygan treatment send him to spain! furckin94th minute??

damnit
3 better than 2 but  still better than goal difference, man i cannot wait to play chelsea, liverpool and manu
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 06, 2008, 06:44:38 AM
bring on the blackburn on sat

we owe them for jens clanger early in the season
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on February 06, 2008, 08:41:23 AM
Gilberto considers Gunners exit

http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/7763966/Gilberto-considers-Gunners-exit

Arsenal midfielder Gilberto says he is likely to leave the Emirates this summer if he does not regain his place in Arsene Wenger's side.

The Brazil captain has started just five times for the Gunners in the Premier League this term as Mathieu Flamini and Cesc Fabregas have monopolised the central midfield berths.

And Gilberto, 31, insists he will look to move elsewhere in the summer if he cannot oust his younger rivals.

"At the moment I cannot see any future for me at the club," he told The Guardian.

"I will see what will happen in the next few months and until the end (of the season), if I will get the chance to come back in the team. If not, I will see what I am going to do at the end.

"It's been painful for me and to stay another season like this would kill me. I will sit down with Arsene and see what we can do to manage the situation."

He added: "I am not happy in the position I am in but I am trying to manage the situation.

"I am very calm and I'm being professional as I've always been. We'll see at the end of the season what is going to happen."
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 06, 2008, 09:15:25 AM
yuppers

i saw that today, kinda sad but we have plenty midfeilders, we need centerbacks

we migth see one or two buys in summer, but for now we will see how far we can go, we still have a chance at 3 pieces of silverware.

and given that wenger says priority is to prem and champs, i migth be wrong but i think he wil send out a side to manchester for FA cup but wont be too dissapointed if manu win that one he'd rather beat them in prem anyday.

mind you the rest of us want to see an arsenal treble, all it takes is a lil bit of luck n skill for things to go your way.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 07, 2008, 06:27:13 PM
flamini is injured, friggin friendlies

at least we dont play till monday

and wenger say we down to bare bones?

at least manu did us a favour and took two from man city, go blues! hahahaha
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 12, 2008, 06:56:32 AM
sender-friggin-ros!

haha keep it up fellas at this rate everyone will get a goal this season!

as hard as burn marked adebayor he created half a yard to score the second well done Ade!

next games are real test of mettle sort of stuff

ManU fa cup (away)

AC Milan Champs League (home)

Birmingham League (away)

Aston Villa League (home)

AC Milan Champs League (away)

if we win all those games we go into march/april facing chelsea bolton liverpool boro champs league quarters manu then champs semis

if and only if by then we can come out uninjured and maximum points we could be....

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 14, 2008, 02:21:38 PM
fark fark fark

 injuries coming to light

clichy and sagna!!

fook looks like senderos/gallas/toure center and eboue, right back n maybe hoyte on the left.

fook i really hope ronaldo doh lambaste our two stand in backs

still i think we are well up for this one, i know man u are psycho advantage to who ever wins this one, or we end up with a nil nil battle n take it to the grove
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 15, 2008, 10:41:44 AM
 
February 15, 2008
Emmanuel Adebayor
Emmanuel Adebayor has a muscular injury and may miss Saturday's game against Manchester United.
 
February 15, 2008
Alex Song
Alex Song has returned from the African Nations Cup but has a knock (muscular) and may not feature in the weekend FA Cup tie.
 
February 15, 2008
Gael Clichy
Gael Clichy might miss Saturday's trip to Old Trafford. He has a knee problem and a tight hamstring.
 
February 15, 2008
Bacary Sagna
Bacary Sagna is not injured but is out of the weekend FA Cup tie against Manchester United for personal reasons.
 
February 15, 2008
Philippe Senderos
Philippe Senderos is a doubt for Saturday's game. "He has not practiced all week because of a thigh and a knee problem," said the manager on Thursday.
 
February 15, 2008
Theo Walcott
Theo Walcott was a late drop-out for the Blackburn game and will be missing once more at the weekend. "Theo was down to play on Monday but he had a thigh problem," said Wenger. "He will be short for Saturday again and I wanted to play him there."
 
February 15, 2008
Manuel Almunia
Manuel Almunia has not fully recovered from sicknes and is unlikely to feature against Manchester United.
 
February 15, 2008
Abou Diaby
Abou Diaby was injured in last weekend's match with Manchester City but there is no time frame on when he will return. "Diaby, in fairness, picked the injury up at Man City," said the manager. "We sent him on international duty with information explaining that he was injured and they did not play him."
 
February 15, 2008
Tomas Rosicky
Tomas Rosicky sustained a slight hamstring problem during the FA Cup fixture with Newcastle and has not featured since.
 
February 15, 2008
Robin van Persie
Robin van Persie has been sidelined since he picked up a thigh injury during the Carling Cup Semi-Final first leg against Tottenham and will not be rushed back. "As for Robin, it has all gone well," said the manager. "After last time we have decided not to push him and give him the needed time. I don't want to set any timescale because that means, if he is not ready by that date, I might feel I have to push him."
 
February 15, 2008
Denilson
The Brazilian midfielder was withdrawn midway through the first-half of the Carling Cup Semi-FInal Second-Leg defeat against Tottenham. "He will be out for three or four weeks," said Wenger after the match. "He has a hamstring [problem]."
 
February 15, 2008
Johan Djourou
Johan missed the last six games after picking up a groin injury in the Carling Cup Semi-Final against Tottenham and he is some way from recovery.

WELL MAN U MIGHT JUST GET A BLIGH TO THE NEXT ROUNDS
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: WestCoast on February 15, 2008, 10:44:58 AM
who else allya have to field?  ;D ;D
ya mean I cyar give FLi ! any fatigue dis weekend :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 15, 2008, 11:18:39 AM
i see d phsyio, kit manager, youth team warming up

factor in manu real bitter about they points dropped and looking for some blood, i jsu hope its not a carling up styel exit.

mind you we responded very well from that

team list  probable:

 bendtner, eduardo, toure, eboue, helb, fabregas, flamini, lehmann, gallas, traore, hoyte, fabianski.

will this be another reason why diarra should not have been let go? will wenger buy in summer?

will definately see soem reserve team players, wenger says 14 players will travel to trafford.

Dayum


GOOONERS!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on February 15, 2008, 11:28:30 AM
i see d phsyio, kit manager, youth team warming up

factor in manu real bitter about they points dropped and looking for some blood, i jsu hope its not a carling up styel exit.

mind you we responded very well from that

team list  probable:

 bendtner, eduardo, toure, eboue, helb, fabregas, flamini, lehmann, gallas, traore, hoyte, fabianski.

will this be another reason why diarra should not have been let go? will wenger buy in summer?

will definately see soem reserve team players, wenger says 14 players will travel to trafford.

Dayum


GOOONERS!!!

you could have 11 reserves playing... we will play them with the same intensity we would have played with against your A team...

Injuries are the worst.. i hope no1 gets injured 2moro..

I expect Adebayor to shake off whatever he has.... Also Cesc apparently has a virus but is fit but might be rested

So probable Assanal squad:
Lehman

Eboue
Toure
Gallas
Hoyte

Hleb
Flamini
Maybe Cesc..unless he finds a replacement for the lil buller to be rested
Eduardo

Bendtner
Adebayor


Fergie said he will make a few changes .. prob 3 or 4

Utd probable

VDS

O'Shea
Brown
Vidic
Evra

Ronaldo
Anderson
Hargo
Nani

Rooney
Tevez
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on February 16, 2008, 12:24:28 AM
All dem fellas goh play. Arsenal does always put dey word about injuries ans surprise, surprise all who dey was frittin about line up for dem! All dey regulas goh play.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mr Mc on February 16, 2008, 03:07:33 PM
QUATRO!!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on February 16, 2008, 06:44:58 PM
Gunner Stunner..wey yuh??

 :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Sando prince on February 16, 2008, 07:11:42 PM
Dem Arsenal men in here rel quiet now yes  :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: D.H.W on February 16, 2008, 08:12:26 PM
QUATRO!!!!

 :rotfl:

ok class

dos + dos = quatro!!

good lesson today class, school done
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Jefferz on February 17, 2008, 02:49:40 AM
hard loss to swallow.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 17, 2008, 11:22:59 AM
sorry fellas not ducking anything, pc problems

anyway simply put MAN U were well up for it and we played tata, eboue has finally showed his liability for stupid actions.

plus when last has man u lost at home back to back??

well bring on AC on wed!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on February 17, 2008, 11:25:47 AM
sorry fellas not ducking anything, pc problems

lol, how convenient..

u should change ur name to 'stunnedgunner'
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on February 17, 2008, 11:27:08 AM
sorry fellas not ducking anything, pc problems

lol, how convenient..

u should change ur name to 'stunnedgunner'

hahah

nah credit gunner stunner.. good response
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 17, 2008, 11:32:08 AM
have to admit is was feeling up for it yesterday morning especially after barnsley might have sent raffa off to the job center

even after the 20th minute i thought maybe a comeback, but muddarasphole nani shotpass rigth under lehman hand, it was over

just one of those days where things not going your way are compounded by the shite yuh team playing

not to take away from manu as they played on the smae pitch as us, but what d ass happen to old trafford turf?? i thought i was watching a 1980's mid season pitch

i hope we responde the same way we did after spurs tonking in the league cup

so out of two cups, still in the prem by 5 and in the knockout of champs, i wanna put bets on arsenal meeting manu in champs league
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on February 17, 2008, 02:29:29 PM
sorry fellas not ducking anything, pc problems

anyway simply put MAN U were well up for it and we played tata, eboue has finally showed his liability for stupid actions.

plus when last has man u lost at home back to back??

well bring on AC on wed!

Dread, Eboue has always played like a liability, he has just gotten away with some shit. He and Obi Mikel does play like they drinkin the same Kool Aid flavor- stupid and petulant!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 20, 2008, 06:11:05 AM
nah they might need some jim jones koolaid

every forum i have seen on arsenal has its secion of contributors wary of eboue

i wish we got kolo's bro yaya
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Carib-Briton on February 20, 2008, 07:28:59 AM
Yaya is a centre midfielder I don't if your trying to compare him to Eboue or just saying you wish Arsenal signed him?

Anyway, just looking forward to tonight now ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 20, 2008, 08:26:15 AM
i just mean we don't need liabilites in the side

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 21, 2008, 06:27:09 AM
0-0
damnit adebayor, yuh give them haters ammo now, 93 and a half minutes yuh head on d crossbar???

anyway no away goal conceeded, need to score first and early in two weeks, even a score draw gets us through but i want a 2-0 result

bring on birmingham, and there goes toure for a month, but senderos has stepped up nicely
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 21, 2008, 12:11:55 PM
ok so van persie close but no cigar, the man hasn't played in 5 months, hopefully we see him v chelsea and manu

toure nto so bad shoudl be back after 2 weeks

birmingham have had nearly two weeks off to "rest" but i think we will still pull it off

fabregas needs ah rest IMHO just a game to catch himself

arsenal have played 43 games this season with another possible 20 more to go
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 21, 2008, 12:12:47 PM
ok so van persie close but no cigar, the man hasn't played in 5 months, hopefully we see him v chelsea and manu

toure nto so bad shoudl be back after 2 weeks

birmingham have had nearly two weeks off to "rest" but i think we will still pull it off

fabregas needs ah rest IMHO just a game to catch himself

arsenal have played 43 games this season with another possible 18 more to go
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 22, 2008, 06:33:38 AM
allyuh go like this

adebayor faces a late fitness test against birmingham, for a STIFF NECK

 :rotfl:

how my boy get dat i wonder aloud?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 23, 2008, 03:16:54 PM
bollocks

manu chelski and the rest of the haters having afeild day this last two weeks

dumped out of fa cup

draw at milan when ade shoudla score

eduardo horrible break leg

mean ade and dentner are only stirkers and they doh liek each other much, heard both threw away today, until van persie back but not till late march

and we dropped points at birmingham

head strong arsenal, we shall prevail
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: morvant on February 23, 2008, 04:48:23 PM
you alone does post in this thread :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 23, 2008, 05:08:10 PM
as long as ppl read it cool
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Jefferz on February 24, 2008, 02:21:07 AM
hahaha, keep on supportin man.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 25, 2008, 05:24:02 PM
IF the title comes down to goal difference and manu win i will forever cuss newcastle

what a shit side, collect 11 goals in two games

magpies? more like mampies
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 29, 2008, 04:49:55 PM
Come on arsenal

diaby back in d squad!

bring on the villans, bong lahor, barry young et all go feel it
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: PantherX on February 29, 2008, 08:43:46 PM
Unless Gallas decides to take a seat during the game this time ;D .
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Daft Trini on March 01, 2008, 09:33:45 AM
Down by an own goal and united are up... Premership Title in jeopardy.... :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on March 01, 2008, 09:49:21 AM
Down by an own goal and united are up... Premership Title in jeopardy.... :devil:
Was ah hard luck goal....made worse by the fact that he throw 'way on de other end minutes before.



...meanwhile, Adebayor cut de conk and sporting ah afro now...kicks lol

And as I type Fabregas throw 'way de equaliser
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Daft Trini on March 01, 2008, 09:52:36 AM
Down by an own goal and united are up... Premership Title in jeopardy.... :devil:
Was ah hard luck goal....made worse by the fact that he throw 'way on de other end minutes before.



...meanwhile, Adebayor cut de conk and sporting ah afro now...kicks lol

And as I type Fabregas throw 'way de equaliser

Adebayor finally cut de conk  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

is about flecking time... I feel Gunners should have been 3 up... ;)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on March 01, 2008, 09:59:44 AM
Down by an own goal and united are up... Premership Title in jeopardy.... :devil:
Was ah hard luck goal....made worse by the fact that he throw 'way on de other end minutes before.



...meanwhile, Adebayor cut de conk and sporting ah afro now...kicks lol

And as I type Fabregas throw 'way de equaliser

Adebayor finally cut de conk  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

is about flecking time... I feel Gunners should have been 3 up... ;)
I dunno give Villa dey due, Arsenal gih dem some test in de earlies but once de match settle down I find is dem who had the better opportunities and finally pressured them into a mistake.  Other than Walcott's shot on Carson (fine save) in the 6', Villa really dominated most of the scoring chances...Maloney had ah cracker that Aluminia was late to react to, managing (luckily) to push it onto the post.

Agbonlahor giving Gallas and Senderos fits.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on March 01, 2008, 10:03:22 AM
Down by an own goal and united are up... Premership Title in jeopardy.... :devil:
Was ah hard luck goal....made worse by the fact that he throw 'way on de other end minutes before.



...meanwhile, Adebayor cut de conk and sporting ah afro now...kicks lol

And as I type Fabregas throw 'way de equaliser

Adebayor finally cut de conk  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

is about flecking time... I feel Gunners should have been 3 up... ;)


Henever hear about Samson oh wat?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: D.H.W on March 01, 2008, 10:33:36 AM
just a few more minutes  :D come on Villa
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on March 01, 2008, 10:54:09 AM
SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!

10 secs from the end of regulation Bendtner rescues Arsenal from an ignominous defeat.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: capodetutticapi on March 01, 2008, 10:56:43 AM
de wenger boys gettin they asses cut. :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Reaper2004 on March 01, 2008, 11:01:44 AM
ASTON VILLA 1 ASSNAL 0!!!!!!!! THANK YOU VILLANS!!! THANK YOU!!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on March 01, 2008, 11:03:01 AM
ASTON VILLA 1 ASSNAL 0!!!!!!!! THANK YOU VILLANS!!! THANK YOU!!!!
Lol...what game you watching??
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Reaper2004 on March 01, 2008, 11:06:55 AM
Friggin Bendtner save their asses again
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: RedDevils on March 01, 2008, 11:08:38 AM
ASTON VILLA 1 ASSNAL 0!!!!!!!! THANK YOU VILLANS!!! THANK YOU!!!!
Lol...what game you watching??






dey pull da one out dey ass dread..... we go take da result doh, as long as asenal aint win..........WE COMING FOR THEM   :devil:




Glory Glory Man-United.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: capodetutticapi on March 01, 2008, 11:13:46 AM
all tied up on points now.SAF was right we beating them on goal diff.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: RedDevils on March 01, 2008, 11:18:05 AM
all tied up on points now.SAF was right we beating them on goal diff.




allyuh getting de game on delay oh what ???



villa draw with arsenal 1-1
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: PantherX on March 01, 2008, 11:18:22 AM
Fair play to the Arse for getting that draw Aston Villa had their number today.

I have to reserve my usual snide comments consideriing that load we put down at Birmingham today.....we should have played the reserves today at least they would have made an effort.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on March 01, 2008, 12:30:05 PM
all tied up on points now.SAF was right we beating them on goal diff.




allyuh getting de game on delay oh what ???



villa draw with arsenal 1-1
Boss siddung dey wid he hand-crank internet TV wondering what we talking 'bout  :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: RedDevils on March 01, 2008, 12:49:16 PM
all tied up on points now.SAF was right we beating them on goal diff.




allyuh getting de game on delay oh what ???



villa draw with arsenal 1-1
Boss siddung dey wid he hand-crank internet TV wondering what we talking 'bout  :rotfl:





 :rotfl:


it seems so......
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on March 01, 2008, 01:21:13 PM
Believe this....that is exactly what we needed.

We lost points against Bham because we didn't play for 90min. That was our strength at the beginning of the season. On top of that, the goal came from Adebayor to Bendter.

The slump is over people.

The BPL and CL are ours!!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: RedDevils on March 01, 2008, 01:26:30 PM
Believe this....that is exactly what we needed.

We lost points against Bham because we didn't play for 90min. That was our strength at the beginning of the season. On top of that, the goal came from Adebayor to Bendter.

The slump is over people.

The BPL and CL are ours!!!!





in which lifetime ???


 :devil:

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: capodetutticapi on March 01, 2008, 05:45:12 PM
all tied up on points now.SAF was right we beating them on goal diff.




allyuh getting de game on delay oh what ???



villa draw with arsenal 1-1
Boss siddung dey wid he hand-crank internet TV wondering what we talking 'bout  :rotfl:
they really tie,i see de final score as 1 nil villa.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on March 01, 2008, 06:01:52 PM
Boss siddung dey wid he hand-crank internet TV wondering what we talking 'bout  :rotfl:
they really tie,i see de final score as 1 nil villa.

What powering your internet...hamsters?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: D.H.W on March 01, 2008, 06:22:59 PM
Believe this....that is exactly what we needed.

We lost points against Bham because we didn't play for 90min. That was our strength at the beginning of the season. On top of that, the goal came from Adebayor to Bendter.

The slump is over people.

The BPL and CL are ours!!!!







in which lifetime ???


 :devil:



what team dumpalewie talking about, not arsenal right  :D , d slump now start alyuh have AC milan this week coming   :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: capodetutticapi on March 01, 2008, 08:31:57 PM
Boss siddung dey wid he hand-crank internet TV wondering what we talking 'bout  :rotfl:
they really tie,i see de final score as 1 nil villa.

What powering your internet...hamsters?
i get that from de EPL site.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on March 01, 2008, 08:50:26 PM
What powering your internet...hamsters?
i get that from de EPL site.

EPL site??  Man you have SW.net...you eh need no EPL  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: elan on March 01, 2008, 09:28:05 PM
http://www.tvgolo.com/football.php?subaction=showfull&id=1204385967&archive=&start_from=&ucat=40&
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: RedDevils on March 01, 2008, 09:54:58 PM
Believe this....that is exactly what we needed.

We lost points against Bham because we didn't play for 90min. That was our strength at the beginning of the season. On top of that, the goal came from Adebayor to Bendter.

The slump is over people.

The BPL and CL are ours!!!!




since dey get 4 dem haven't been d same.....






in which lifetime ???


 :devil:



what team dumpalewie talking about, not arsenal right  :D , d slump now start alyuh have AC milan this week coming   :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 02, 2008, 08:56:33 AM
hear nah

MANU supporters you seem to forget allyuh get yuh CL cup by the skin off allyuh teeth with last gasp equalizer and winner

so doh act like Arsenal is the only lucky side it have out there

all i saying is stop looking for anyexcuse to jump on a team doing better than yuhself, keep doing what you doing we will keep trying to stop dropping points, and buss all yuh ass in april
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on March 02, 2008, 10:00:55 AM
hear nah

MANU supporters you seem to forget allyuh get yuh CL cup by the skin off allyuh teeth with last gasp equalizer and winner

so doh act like Arsenal is the only lucky side it have out there

all i saying is stop looking for anyexcuse to jump on a team doing better than yuhself, keep doing what you doing we will keep trying to stop dropping points, and buss all yuh ass in april


Ah usually doh engage is carrying on dis type of talk because people does let dey loyalty to players and teams cloud dey judgements but yuh set yuh self up, so let meh smack yuh back down! Fact is United won the CL, if yuh want tuh say it was lucky yuh entitled. Wey Arsenal's CL cup? Oh dats right, yuh all everyting glamor boy Henrietta tro wey when he coulda wrap it up against Barca.

As for all yuh  doin better than United, please, excuse meh but didn't United jus whipped all yuh arse in the FA cup, which means all yuh out right? United draw away in the CL all yuh draw at home and goin away to play while United comin home to play. So who doin better? The one ting yuh get right is " we (Arsenal) will keep tryin to stop dropping point", all yuh droppin points all right, and United winning games. So United will keep doing what they doing which is winning and all yuh keep 'trying to stop drop points' and come April dat game yuh biggin up will be of no consequence because all yuh will still be 'trying to stop dropping points' and United will still be winning!

Oh yeah United still in contention for 3 titles and Arsenal 2, so if that equates to Arsenal doin better than United then yuh biases also interfering with yuh ability in arithmetic!

Oh yeah, thanks for lettin me do it on the thread yuh started for yuh beloved Gooners!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Daft Trini on March 03, 2008, 06:06:17 PM
AC Milan ??? Arsenal FC ???

AC Milan undefeated  at San Siro....  let see how it plays out...!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: elan on March 04, 2008, 11:55:10 AM
San Siro test does not worry Wenger

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=513356&cc=5901
Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger is confident his young Gunners will rise to the challenge on Tuesday night when they take on Champions League holders AC Milan at the San Siro.

 
No English side have beaten the Italian giants on their own ground, with Manchester United thrashed 3-0 here in last season's semi-final.


However, Wenger believes - with the tie delicately poised at 0-0 following the first leg at Emirates Stadium a fortnight ago - Arsenal can get the result needed to make it into the quarter-finals.

'When you are a football player, you are desperate to play games like this,' Wenger said.

'The only important thing is you have to know your team has the qualities needed to win - and I am confident my team have the needed qualities to win here.

'We are a young side - the life of this team started two years ago. In that time, we have been to the Bernabeu, Juventus, and the Champions League final against Barcelona.

'We are used to playing in big pressure and in big atmosphere.'

Wenger, though, insists Arsenal will play their own game on Tuesday night, rather than just look to stifle Milan.

'We have nothing to protect, but know we want to score goals,' he said.

'Here we know we have to do both - to defend and attack like in any normal game which we want to win.'

Wenger has overseen an Arsenal victory in the San Siro, with his team having beaten Milan's city rivals Inter in some style back during November 2003 when they won here 5-1.

The Gunners boss feels his current squad can take heart from that result.

'It is a big inspiration because we came here then in a desperate situation and had to make a big score - and we made it,' he said.

'I believe we are highly focused and the team spirit is very high. It all the focus to come here and make a result.

'We are confident and up for it.'

Midfielder Mathieu Flamini feels Arsenal must not let Milan slow the game down to their pace.

He said: 'The tempo is going to be very important because we are playing against a big team in Milan.

'It will be very difficult, but we have to be strong, play our own game and score one more goal than them.

'We certainly have the quality to do that.'

Flamini added: 'When you are a professional footballer you dream to play in this kind of game. There will be no fear - it will be a pleasure.'

Fit-again striker Robin van Persie has travelled with the squad to Italy, and is set to take his place on the bench on Tuesday night.

The 24-year-old striker started the campaign in fine form before being sidelined by knee and muscular problems.

Although van Persie has not played since the first leg of the Carling Cup semi-final against Tottenham on January 9, Wenger believes the Dutchman's return can have a big impact.

'We had to be patient with Robin,' said the Arsenal manager.

'We are now going into the final part of the season so it is important from a psychological point of view to have a boost from big players coming back.'


 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 04, 2008, 12:20:06 PM
hear nah

MANU supporters you seem to forget allyuh get yuh CL cup by the skin off allyuh teeth with last gasp equalizer and winner

so doh act like Arsenal is the only lucky side it have out there

all i saying is stop looking for anyexcuse to jump on a team doing better than yuhself, keep doing what you doing we will keep trying to stop dropping points, and buss all yuh ass in april


Ah usually doh engage is carrying on dis type of talk because people does let dey loyalty to players and teams cloud dey judgements but yuh set yuh self up, so let meh smack yuh back down! Fact is United won the CL, if yuh want tuh say it was lucky yuh entitled. Wey Arsenal's CL cup? Oh dats right, yuh all everyting glamor boy Henrietta tro wey when he coulda wrap it up against Barca.

As for all yuh  doin better than United, please, excuse meh but didn't United jus whipped all yuh arse in the FA cup, which means all yuh out right? United draw away in the CL all yuh draw at home and goin away to play while United comin home to play. So who doin better? The one ting yuh get right is " we (Arsenal) will keep tryin to stop dropping point", all yuh droppin points all right, and United winning games. So United will keep doing what they doing which is winning and all yuh keep 'trying to stop drop points' and come April dat game yuh biggin up will be of no consequence because all yuh will still be 'trying to stop dropping points' and United will still be winning!

Oh yeah United still in contention for 3 titles and Arsenal 2, so if that equates to Arsenal doin better than United then yuh biases also interfering with yuh ability in arithmetic!

Oh yeah, thanks for lettin me do it on the thread yuh started for yuh beloved Gooners!

i guess i need to spell it out for ya

were doing better in the league, you loose the fa cup final yuh get nothing loose the CL final yuh get nothing loose the league yuh get nothing, so you lot wet up for what 5 days, yeah we f**ked up twice one under extenuating circumstances but both results were literally down to us f**king up and not the other sides abilities.

i not bringing down manu performance, which by the way any of the top 3 now in past years would have the league practically wrapped up by now.

my point was manu fans have no reason to hate it just shows they are scared of whats coming their way, yuh liked being th ebig bully on the block in the 90's and early 00's now you got more competition on yuh heels yuh sounding petulant

everyone know manu is a good team, but show some class and respect other teams and their supporters
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 04, 2008, 12:25:53 PM
AC v Arsenal

going to try and control meh pressure bad bad bad sicksicksicksick
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on March 04, 2008, 01:52:04 PM
hear nah

MANU supporters you seem to forget allyuh get yuh CL cup by the skin off allyuh teeth with last gasp equalizer and winner

so doh act like Arsenal is the only lucky side it have out there

all i saying is stop looking for anyexcuse to jump on a team doing better than yuhself, keep doing what you doing we will keep trying to stop dropping points, and buss all yuh ass in april


Ah usually doh engage is carrying on dis type of talk because people does let dey loyalty to players and teams cloud dey judgements but yuh set yuh self up, so let meh smack yuh back down! Fact is United won the CL, if yuh want tuh say it was lucky yuh entitled. Wey Arsenal's CL cup? Oh dats right, yuh all everyting glamor boy Henrietta tro wey when he coulda wrap it up against Barca.

As for all yuh  doin better than United, please, excuse meh but didn't United jus whipped all yuh arse in the FA cup, which means all yuh out right? United draw away in the CL all yuh draw at home and goin away to play while United comin home to play. So who doin better? The one ting yuh get right is " we (Arsenal) will keep tryin to stop dropping point", all yuh droppin points all right, and United winning games. So United will keep doing what they doing which is winning and all yuh keep 'trying to stop drop points' and come April dat game yuh biggin up will be of no consequence because all yuh will still be 'trying to stop dropping points' and United will still be winning!

Oh yeah United still in contention for 3 titles and Arsenal 2, so if that equates to Arsenal doin better than United then yuh biases also interfering with yuh ability in arithmetic!

Oh yeah, thanks for lettin me do it on the thread yuh started for yuh beloved Gooners!

i guess i need to spell it out for ya

were doing better in the league, you loose the fa cup final yuh get nothing loose the CL final yuh get nothing loose the league yuh get nothing, so you lot wet up for what 5 days, yeah we f**ked up twice one under extenuating circumstances but both results were literally down to us f**king up and not the other sides abilities.

i not bringing down manu performance, which by the way any of the top 3 now in past years would have the league practically wrapped up by now.

my point was manu fans have no reason to hate it just shows they are scared of whats coming their way, yuh liked being th ebig bully on the block in the 90's and early 00's now you got more competition on yuh heels yuh sounding petulant

everyone know manu is a good team, but show some class and respect other teams and their supporters


Ah like you young stunner gunner. Yuh sound young and green and like yuh does live, eat, and breathe yuh beloved Gooners. Like yuh just started watching football and ah bet yuh think Henriatta is the greatest footballer ever. Like yuh mood rell good when dey win and it rell bad when dey lose. Or if yuh Gooners lose yuh blaming yuh self becuase yuh say Adeboyor woulda scored if yuh had brush yuh teets or if yuh had change yuh jockey shorts, yuh know rell superstitious thoughts and actions. So tell yuh people tuh put yuh on suicide watch just incase yuh beloved Gooners lose it all. I will give yuh respect if all yuh win it because after all it is just a game and yuh seem tuh have good intentions.
Cheers!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 04, 2008, 02:22:23 PM
yeah you are amazing

way to avoid my points bravo wise one

no i am not young

yes its my beloved arsenal

yes henry is great

no he isn't my idol

the arsenal are my team

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on March 04, 2008, 03:42:17 PM
yeah you are amazing

way to avoid my points bravo wise one

no i am not young

yes its my beloved arsenal

yes henry is great

no he isn't my idol

the arsenal are my team



Game still on, your team win, my team win.Good win for both,United sofen dem up for allyuh :-)  Lets see who remain standin!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Daft Trini on March 04, 2008, 03:44:44 PM
yeah you are amazing

way to avoid my points bravo wise one

no i am not young

yes its my beloved arsenal

yes henry is great

no he isn't my idol

the arsenal are my team



Game still on, your team win, my team win.Good win for both,United sofen dem up for allyuh :-)  Lets see who remain standin!

De EPL is standing and that is all that matters...  :o
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Jahyouth on March 04, 2008, 03:49:04 PM
Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Go on you Gunners!

AC Milan?  San Siro? 

We better than that!  lol
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Jefferz on March 04, 2008, 04:54:31 PM
hear nah

MANU supporters you seem to forget allyuh get yuh CL cup by the skin off allyuh teeth with last gasp equalizer and winner

so doh act like Arsenal is the only lucky side it have out there

all i saying is stop looking for anyexcuse to jump on a team doing better than yuhself, keep doing what you doing we will keep trying to stop dropping points, and buss all yuh ass in april


Ah usually doh engage is carrying on dis type of talk because people does let dey loyalty to players and teams cloud dey judgements but yuh set yuh self up, so let meh smack yuh back down! Fact is United won the CL, if yuh want tuh say it was lucky yuh entitled. Wey Arsenal's CL cup? Oh dats right, yuh all everyting glamor boy Henrietta tro wey when he coulda wrap it up against Barca.

As for all yuh  doin better than United, please, excuse meh but didn't United jus whipped all yuh arse in the FA cup, which means all yuh out right? United draw away in the CL all yuh draw at home and goin away to play while United comin home to play. So who doin better? The one ting yuh get right is " we (Arsenal) will keep tryin to stop dropping point", all yuh droppin points all right, and United winning games. So United will keep doing what they doing which is winning and all yuh keep 'trying to stop drop points' and come April dat game yuh biggin up will be of no consequence because all yuh will still be 'trying to stop dropping points' and United will still be winning!

Oh yeah United still in contention for 3 titles and Arsenal 2, so if that equates to Arsenal doin better than United then yuh biases also interfering with yuh ability in arithmetic!

Oh yeah, thanks for lettin me do it on the thread yuh started for yuh beloved Gooners!

i guess i need to spell it out for ya

were doing better in the league, you loose the fa cup final yuh get nothing loose the CL final yuh get nothing loose the league yuh get nothing, so you lot wet up for what 5 days, yeah we f**ked up twice one under extenuating circumstances but both results were literally down to us f**king up and not the other sides abilities.

i not bringing down manu performance, which by the way any of the top 3 now in past years would have the league practically wrapped up by now.

my point was manu fans have no reason to hate it just shows they are scared of whats coming their way, yuh liked being th ebig bully on the block in the 90's and early 00's now you got more competition on yuh heels yuh sounding petulant

everyone know manu is a good team, but show some class and respect other teams and their supporters


Ah like you young stunner gunner. Yuh sound young and green and like yuh does live, eat, and breathe yuh beloved Gooners. Like yuh just started watching football and ah bet yuh think Henriatta is the greatest footballer ever. Like yuh mood rell good when dey win and it rell bad when dey lose. Or if yuh Gooners lose yuh blaming yuh self becuase yuh say Adeboyor woulda scored if yuh had brush yuh teets or if yuh had change yuh jockey shorts, yuh know rell superstitious thoughts and actions. So tell yuh people tuh put yuh on suicide watch just incase yuh beloved Gooners lose it all. I will give yuh respect if all yuh win it because after all it is just a game and yuh seem tuh have good intentions.
Cheers!

 yuh know giggsy, when de gunners win the double yuh better have ah live web cast of you deliverin ah hard ass slap tuh yuh own pan.

iz eida dat or make sure yuh doh come around talkin dat shit in person or else yuh collectin ah hard lash

we win, dats all there is to it, now hush yuh ass.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 04, 2008, 06:52:22 PM
yeah you are amazing

way to avoid my points bravo wise one

no i am not young

yes its my beloved arsenal

yes henry is great

no he isn't my idol

the arsenal are my team



Game still on, your team win, my team win.Good win for both,United sofen dem up for allyuh :-)  Lets see who remain standin!
allyuh realise d EPL will possibly have 4 teams in the quaters?
odds are two will draw each other, worst case all four get drawn together, meaning at least two english team go to semis hopefully not together
on the otherside
if all four avoid each other theres a high possibility it can be and all english semi finals AND final

fire bun all them glory hunting itlian and spanish league fans
plus dem german an ddtch league pothounds quiet for years
and the portugal hos too
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: WestCoast on March 04, 2008, 07:49:18 PM
check this out (http://www.weblo.com/asset_images/original/47bd70c4b2051.gif)
best one that I have seen
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on March 04, 2008, 08:01:59 PM
hear nah

MANU supporters you seem to forget allyuh get yuh CL cup by the skin off allyuh teeth with last gasp equalizer and winner

so doh act like Arsenal is the only lucky side it have out there

all i saying is stop looking for anyexcuse to jump on a team doing better than yuhself, keep doing what you doing we will keep trying to stop dropping points, and buss all yuh ass in april


Ah usually doh engage is carrying on dis type of talk because people does let dey loyalty to players and teams cloud dey judgements but yuh set yuh self up, so let meh smack yuh back down! Fact is United won the CL, if yuh want tuh say it was lucky yuh entitled. Wey Arsenal's CL cup? Oh dats right, yuh all everyting glamor boy Henrietta tro wey when he coulda wrap it up against Barca.

As for all yuh  doin better than United, please, excuse meh but didn't United jus whipped all yuh arse in the FA cup, which means all yuh out right? United draw away in the CL all yuh draw at home and goin away to play while United comin home to play. So who doin better? The one ting yuh get right is " we (Arsenal) will keep tryin to stop dropping point", all yuh droppin points all right, and United winning games. So United will keep doing what they doing which is winning and all yuh keep 'trying to stop drop points' and come April dat game yuh biggin up will be of no consequence because all yuh will still be 'trying to stop dropping points' and United will still be winning!

Oh yeah United still in contention for 3 titles and Arsenal 2, so if that equates to Arsenal doin better than United then yuh biases also interfering with yuh ability in arithmetic!

Oh yeah, thanks for lettin me do it on the thread yuh started for yuh beloved Gooners!

i guess i need to spell it out for ya

were doing better in the league, you loose the fa cup final yuh get nothing loose the CL final yuh get nothing loose the league yuh get nothing, so you lot wet up for what 5 days, yeah we f**ked up twice one under extenuating circumstances but both results were literally down to us f**king up and not the other sides abilities.

i not bringing down manu performance, which by the way any of the top 3 now in past years would have the league practically wrapped up by now.

my point was manu fans have no reason to hate it just shows they are scared of whats coming their way, yuh liked being th ebig bully on the block in the 90's and early 00's now you got more competition on yuh heels yuh sounding petulant

everyone know manu is a good team, but show some class and respect other teams and their supporters


Ah like you young stunner gunner. Yuh sound young and green and like yuh does live, eat, and breathe yuh beloved Gooners. Like yuh just started watching football and ah bet yuh think Henriatta is the greatest footballer ever. Like yuh mood rell good when dey win and it rell bad when dey lose. Or if yuh Gooners lose yuh blaming yuh self becuase yuh say Adeboyor woulda scored if yuh had brush yuh teets or if yuh had change yuh jockey shorts, yuh know rell superstitious thoughts and actions. So tell yuh people tuh put yuh on suicide watch just incase yuh beloved Gooners lose it all. I will give yuh respect if all yuh win it because after all it is just a game and yuh seem tuh have good intentions.
Cheers!

 yuh know giggsy, when de gunners win the double yuh better have ah live web cast of you deliverin ah hard ass slap tuh yuh own pan.

iz eida dat or make sure yuh doh come around talkin dat shit in person or else yuh collectin ah hard lash

we win, dats all there is to it, now hush yuh ass.

How aboutyou do the same when United win the treble!  Yuh Gooners aint winning no double in this lifetime! So all yuh win today, dise all yuh gettin!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kicker on March 04, 2008, 08:16:05 PM
yeah you are amazing

way to avoid my points bravo wise one

no i am not young

yes its my beloved arsenal

yes henry is great

no he isn't my idol

the arsenal are my team



Game still on, your team win, my team win.Good win for both,United sofen dem up for allyuh :-)  Lets see who remain standin!
allyuh realise d EPL will possibly have 4 teams in the quaters?
odds are two will draw each other, worst case all four get drawn together, meaning at least two english team go to semis hopefully not together
on the otherside
if all four avoid each other theres a high possibility it can be and all english semi finals AND final

fire bun all them glory hunting itlian and spanish league fans
plus dem german an ddtch league pothounds quiet for years
and the portugal hos too

If all 4 English teams get to the Semi final, between them all there might just barely be enough englishmen in their starting line-ups to make one team....without a keeper. 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on March 04, 2008, 08:22:49 PM
LONG LIVE CHELSEA!!![/b]

 :devil: :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 05, 2008, 06:07:43 AM
LONG LIVE CHELSEA!!![/b]

 :devil: :devil:

haha yuh cyat hole!

full of shite
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 06, 2008, 06:03:08 PM
Wigan on sunday

hope van persie get ah sweat
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: morvant on March 06, 2008, 06:12:57 PM
eduardo walking already. on crutches tho
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 08, 2008, 03:08:25 PM
yeah but is still ah looooooooooooong road ahead

eduardo say it might be 15months

he seems to be very cautious and not willing to rush back, ready to take as long as his body and minds needs to return

anyway man u and chelsea out of fa cup! brilliant!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 10, 2008, 02:32:40 PM
steupse

friggin shoulda scored at least one

shit pitch say what

we cannot get title and play like that

must kill off shit sides as well as big sides

stop f**king around arsenal and get the job done, had we won all our drawn games the premiership would be over
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on March 10, 2008, 02:39:14 PM
steupse

friggin shoulda scored at least one

shit pitch say what

we cannot get title and play like that

must kill off shit sides as well as big sides

stop f**king around arsenal and get the job done, had we won all our drawn games the premiership would be over

That wa allyuh problem last year. Kill big team but could not put away the certain points
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 10, 2008, 02:46:40 PM
steupse

friggin shoulda scored at least one

shit pitch say what

we cannot get title and play like that

must kill off shit sides as well as big sides

stop f**king around arsenal and get the job done, had we won all our drawn games the premiership would be over

That wa allyuh problem last year. Kill big team but could not put away the certain points

dat and shallow squad, diarra mudder so an so not his fault but he not making france squad in euros

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on March 10, 2008, 06:49:34 PM
If i coulda plot a graph of activity on this thread in the last month it woulda look something like this...


(http://delivery.gettyimages.com/xc/200573766-001.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=BEE8F6E6581A1106780B3FC5C8DCBF051F6F6178A68B340C)

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Carib-Briton on March 10, 2008, 06:59:28 PM
If i coulda plot a graph of activity on this thread in the last month it woulda look something like this...


(http://delivery.gettyimages.com/xc/200573766-001.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=BEE8F6E6581A1106780B3FC5C8DCBF051F6F6178A68B340C)

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
A Red X ?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on March 10, 2008, 07:20:49 PM
http://goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=615174

Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger has set his sights on landing a 15-year-old Spanish prodigy by the name of Ignasi Miquel...

The youngster currently plays for Cornella youths in Catalunya, with the French manager said to be leading the race for his signature.

The centre-back has also been monitored by Manchester United, Barcelona, Valencia and more, but Arsenal are apparently favourites to sign him.

Until he turns 16 he is unable to pen a professional deal, but his birthday is not too far away: by September, Arsenal will hope to have landed the former Barcelona youth academy member.

6'2" Miquel may be eager to follow in the footsteps of fellow blaugrana alumnus Cesc Fabregas by signing on at the Emirates, having already toured Arsenal's training facilities last week.

http://www.tribalfootball.com/article.php?id=82435

Arsenal plan bid for Atletico Madrid starlet Ignacio Camacho
tribalfootball.com - March 09, 2008

Arsenal are chasing Atletico Madrid sensation Ignacio Camacho.

The People says Wenger knows he must act quickly if he is to lure the Spain Under-17 captain to the Emirates after the midfielder burst into prominence on his first-team debut last weekend.

Camacho was excellent as he played most of Atletico's 4-2 victory over Barcelona.

Despite his age - he turned 18 on Friday - he would still cost the Gunners more than £5million.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 11, 2008, 11:23:01 AM
i want wenger to cough up some cash this summer especially if we frigging hand it over to man u for like the 3-4th time in the last decade
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: morvant on March 11, 2008, 01:14:08 PM
we need luca toni
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 11, 2008, 06:47:12 PM
who?

nah i want us to tief dat youth from lyon, benzema, d man better than thierry and zidane rolled into one
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on March 12, 2008, 09:25:05 AM
Gunner, ah tink Flamini would make a better captain than Gallas. Did yuh see him in action dis weekend pulling Gallas up a couple of times during the match? Ah like him cause ah doh think he is an excuse maker and he does jus go out an do what has tuh be done.
Cheers dred.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 12, 2008, 09:51:12 AM
Gunner, ah tink Flamini would make a better captain than Gallas. Did yuh see him in action dis weekend pulling Gallas up a couple of times during the match? Ah like him cause ah doh think he is an excuse maker and he does jus go out an do what has tuh be done.
Cheers dred.

excellent point, i feel that may happen in the summer with gilberto leaving, however flamini is yet to sign a new contract, also wenger used the capataincy to challenge gallas to step up, wenger uses little tricks like this top motivate ppl, look at thierry when vierra left, then gilberto when thierry spent the season injured, but if flamini extends i want to seem him as captain or vice or gallas gone and flamini and cesc chare the armband

speaking of cesc the boy needs a breather, ronaldo n them getting nice lil rest with fergie pitpulls all snapping at a chance to start or even bench.


Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 12, 2008, 09:53:55 AM
Wenger - I'll keep faith with squad in summer

By Richard Clarke

Arsène Wenger will stick with his usual cautious spending pattern over the summer.

The Arsenal manager has slowly built up his current squad in recent seasons and, this term, he has been rewarded with a sustained title chase. The Frenchman has funds available to buy when the transfer window opens once more at the end of the current campaign but he will only spend within budget and, as ever, his priority is continuity.

"I will keep faith [with them] because we have worked hard for what we have now," said Wenger speaking before the weekend.

"I have said many times, the real target of a manager is to find the balance with what comes in and what goes out and build a team with these restrictions. It is to do well with the funds available.

"We have money because we made money and we made money because we made the right decisions. I believe a football team is not about buying and selling. It is about building, patience, working together and going through a growing process.

"Also it is enjoyable now to see the team coming slowly up and see how well they can do."

That said, Wenger IS prepared to spend big but, he argues, his decision to invest in youngsters a few years ago means that, so far, he has not had to.

"I would have to be completely convinced that it is right and not stupid for the future of the Club," he said.

"But I am in a position where I anticipated the years to come and I prepared for it. [So] I have never been in a situation where I needed to take a big gamble like that."

arsene i hear yuh 100% but please deepen that squad please! win the CL and premireship and players will beg to come to the grove!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Daft Trini on March 13, 2008, 09:31:53 AM
Henry finding life tough at Barcelona

Thierry Henry has admitted struggling to adapt to life at Barcelona - because he is missing his daughter.
The former Arsenal striker, 30, has not seen two-year-old Tea as often as he would like following his divorce last year shortly after his transfer to the Nou Camp.
'As you all know, I've got some personal problems and my daughter is the most important thing in my life,' Henry said. 'I'm not happy because a father that only sees his daughter five times in the last eight months cannot be.
'If you know what it is to have a daughter then you can imagine what it is like. I'm not asking you to cry for me, only that people don't talk for me.'
The France international also believes his form - he has scored seven goals in 19 Primera Liga games - has not been helped by being played out of position at Barca.
'I played for eight years in a team in a specific position and now I'm at another club in another position with a different tactical system,' he said.
'It's time to stop comparing the Barcelona Henry with the Arsenal Henry. This is the Henry that you are seeing here.'
However, Henry insisted he had no complaints with head coach Frank Rijkaard's tactics.
He said: 'I'm not asking for anything from the coach, nor am I complaining about playing on the left. I respect the coach's decision.
'In the 14 years I've been playing football I've never been satisfied with my performances and always want to do more.'
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 13, 2008, 11:18:45 AM
i don't think he will return, nor will he be able to "help" us

but it proves my previous points, henry is emotionally driven, the man says he was never satisfied with his performances

anyway

middleborough due a cut arse on saturday afternoon
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 14, 2008, 10:05:53 AM
Arsenal v Liverpool CL 2nd April

Liverpool v Arsenal CL 8th April

toure v torres

gerrad v cesc

mascherano v flamini

carragher v adebayor
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Daft Trini on March 14, 2008, 03:25:51 PM
i don't think he will return, nor will he be able to "help" us

but it proves my previous points, henry is emotionally driven, the man says he was never satisfied with his performances

anyway

middleborough due a cut arse on saturday afternoon

Yeah I remembered us having this discussion a while ago, hence the reason for my post...

I have to deduce our suspicions were correct...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Carib-Briton on March 15, 2008, 02:59:23 PM
Obviously not the result(s) Arsenal fans wanted but I believe in my team and they still yet to play their closest rivals which is the best thing should Arsenal win out of those matches. All they can do is get the best results from their games which is the objective anyway!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on March 15, 2008, 03:28:28 PM
At the risk of repeating myself, you cannot expect to win the league when all your scoring is dependent on two players. Eboue as an example has never ever scored for Arsenal & Hleb allergic to shooting. Teams are figuring out Arsenal and Arsenal have no alternate plan (it seems). they can only hope Van Persie hits some form earlier than expected.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: D.H.W on March 15, 2008, 03:34:22 PM
shithounds :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: SOBRIQUET on March 15, 2008, 03:43:38 PM
da shit side pulling off more draws than a Thai prostitute during tourist season........
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: PantherX on March 15, 2008, 03:47:47 PM
da shit side pulling off more draws than a Thai prostitute during tourist season........

Best analogy ever :rotfl:!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on March 15, 2008, 03:54:20 PM
who?

nah i want us to tief dat youth from lyon, benzema, d man better than thierry and zidane rolled into one

defenders please.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Daft Trini on March 15, 2008, 04:38:07 PM
This is the Assanal thread right???

Well all yuh in second place.... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: freakazoid on March 16, 2008, 05:45:29 AM
so arm arsenal go be in third spot next week hmmm
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on March 16, 2008, 06:23:08 AM
This is the Assanal thread right???

Well all yuh in second place.... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

LMAO!!!!! Dam,yuh aint easy nah! LMAO!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: RedDevils on March 16, 2008, 08:24:39 AM
arsenal could finish this season in 3rd place  :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 16, 2008, 01:13:43 PM
da shit side pulling off more draws than a Thai prostitute during tourist season........

Best analogy ever :rotfl:!


doh worry allyuh only now remeber what medals and trophy's feel like, after how long?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 16, 2008, 01:14:42 PM
arsenal could finish this season in 3rd place  :devil:

the BIG four stil have to play, plenty points to be gained or lost in the run in, we just made it allot f**king harder than it should have been
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on March 16, 2008, 03:59:11 PM
If i coulda plot a graph of activity on this thread in the last month it woulda look something like this...


(http://v)

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

sorry.. here is that graph again..

(http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc62/trini_omar/200573766-001.jpg)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: PantherX on March 16, 2008, 06:44:34 PM
doh worry allyuh only now remeber what medals and trophy's feel like, after how long?

True but don't get no horrors, when the season done I'll be happy to describe to you how it feels to win something ;D .
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: D.H.W on March 16, 2008, 07:11:56 PM
If i coulda plot a graph of activity on this thread in the last month it woulda look something like this...


(http://delivery.gettyimages.com/xc/200573766-001.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=BEE8F6E6581A1106780B3FC5C8DCBF051F6F6178A68B340C)

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

 :rotfl: :devil: just now that line go run off that page
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: RedDevils on March 17, 2008, 11:40:12 AM
da shit side pulling off more draws than a Thai prostitute during tourist season........





classic  :rotfl:

 :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on March 17, 2008, 12:46:08 PM
all this old talk...the season ent done yet...and even if the arsenal win nought...i ent go be vex cause nobody even expected them to be where they are at this point in the season...think of what could be done with a lil better squad depth...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: RedDevils on March 17, 2008, 02:20:09 PM
all this old talk...the season ent done yet...and even if the arsenal win nought...i ent go be vex cause nobody even expected them to be where they are at this point in the season...think of what could be done with a lil better squad depth...





you sound like u giving up already........doh start making excuses already......
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: SOBRIQUET on March 17, 2008, 02:44:17 PM
all this old talk...the season ent done yet...and even if the arsenal win nought...i ent go be vex cause nobody even expected them to be where they are at this point in the season...think of what could be done with a lil better squad depth...





you sound like u giving up already........doh start making excuses already......

come on man!....making excuses is synonymous with being an Arsenal fan/coach/player..... If is not the friggin field, is negative tactics, referee, weather, scheduling, squad depth or something else...let them do what they do best....make excuses....
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Daft Trini on March 17, 2008, 02:50:15 PM
all this old talk...the season ent done yet...and even if the arsenal win nought...i ent go be vex cause nobody even expected them to be where they are at this point in the season...think of what could be done with a lil better squad depth...

I think Omar says it best here...

To the arsenal fans on this board.. A catalogue of whinges.....


- My players are tired after world cup (Wenger)

- We playing at a new stadium (Wenger)

- Teams don't want to play football against us (Wenger)

- We have a young team they need to mature (Wenger)

- We bad lucky... always hitting post (Wenger)

- Other teams have more money to spend (Wenger)

- Pardew provoked me (Wenger)

- World Cup is the lowest standard of football. Henry shouldve gotten Golden Ball (Wenger)

- The referee was against us (Wenger)

- We missing vieira (Wenger)

- Too many fixtures (Wenger)

- The young players have it too easy. I used to shine man boots (Henry)

- I didnt see no Ronaldinho or no Eto'o tonight.. (Henry)

- They always talking about me. More than they talk about Eastenders (Henry)

- We were the better team out there  (Henry)

- We missing Vieira (Henry)


This list can go on and on, and on and on, and on and on...

when will they learn to buy some good defensive players for midfield and cover for defence and learn to be able adapt their playing style when need be so that when the bounce up a rough team like Bolton they stop getting that customary cutass???






you sound like u giving up already........doh start making excuses already......

come on man!....making excuses is synonymous with being an Arsenal fan/coach/player.... tis' what they do best. if is not the field, is negative tactics, referee, weather, scheduling, squad depth or something else...let them do what they do best....make excuses....
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 17, 2008, 03:20:08 PM
all this old talk...the season ent done yet...and even if the arsenal win nought...i ent go be vex cause nobody even expected them to be where they are at this point in the season...think of what could be done with a lil better squad depth...





you sound like u giving up already........doh start making excuses already......

come on man!....making excuses is synonymous with being an Arsenal fan/coach/player..... If is not the friggin field, is negative tactics, referee, weather, scheduling, squad depth or something else...let them do what they do best....make excuses....

so what is allyuh excuses for man city and portsmouth etc?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 17, 2008, 03:21:57 PM
all this old talk...the season ent done yet...and even if the arsenal win nought...i ent go be vex cause nobody even expected them to be where they are at this point in the season...think of what could be done with a lil better squad depth...

I think Omar says it best here...

To the arsenal fans on this board.. A catalogue of whinges.....


- My players are tired after world cup (Wenger)

- We playing at a new stadium (Wenger)

- Teams don't want to play football against us (Wenger)

- We have a young team they need to mature (Wenger)

- We bad lucky... always hitting post (Wenger)

- Other teams have more money to spend (Wenger)

- Pardew provoked me (Wenger)

- World Cup is the lowest standard of football. Henry shouldve gotten Golden Ball (Wenger)

- The referee was against us (Wenger)

- We missing vieira (Wenger)

- Too many fixtures (Wenger)

- The young players have it too easy. I used to shine man boots (Henry)

- I didnt see no Ronaldinho or no Eto'o tonight.. (Henry)

- They always talking about me. More than they talk about Eastenders (Henry)

- We were the better team out there  (Henry)

- We missing Vieira (Henry)


This list can go on and on, and on and on, and on and on...

when will they learn to buy some good defensive players for midfield and cover for defence and learn to be able adapt their playing style when need be so that when the bounce up a rough team like Bolton they stop getting that customary cutass???






you sound like u giving up already........doh start making excuses already......

come on man!....making excuses is synonymous with being an Arsenal fan/coach/player.... tis' what they do best. if is not the field, is negative tactics, referee, weather, scheduling, squad depth or something else...let them do what they do best....make excuses....

i just love how much effort and procution other fans go to show their fears of arsenal by way of ridicule
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Daft Trini on March 19, 2008, 09:55:52 PM
All teams have played 30 games.


Assanal trails Manchester United by 3 pts.

Assanal once lead the league by as much as 5pts...  ;D

Go Gunners.... ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 20, 2008, 10:06:30 AM
yup i agree

not acceptable to draw 10 games in a season and expect to win titles, thats 20 points we pissed away 20! season woul dhave been over ah well we go f**k up chelsea liverpool and man u nad draw against everyone else.

newest ole talk, adebayor is sampson, since he cut his hair he ain't score (in prem), eduardo break he leg, and we draw all the games in the prem league

say what chelsea going to be surprised on sunday,

by the way manchester pitch looking nice n green all of a sudden, i wonder if it will be f**ked up again for arsenals visit?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: D.H.W on March 23, 2008, 12:04:10 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: facking shithounds  :devil:

yup i agree

not acceptable to draw 10 games in a season and expect to win titles, thats 20 points we pissed away 20! season woul dhave been over ah well we go f**k up chelsea liverpool and man u nad draw against everyone else.

newest ole talk, adebayor is sampson, since he cut his hair he ain't score (in prem), eduardo break he leg, and we draw all the games in the prem league

say what chelsea going to be surprised on sunday,

by the way manchester pitch looking nice n green all of a sudden, i wonder if it will be f**ked up again for arsenals visit?


 ::)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: capodetutticapi on March 23, 2008, 12:06:04 PM
i tink 3rd place does have to qualify fuh de CL. :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Daft Trini on March 23, 2008, 02:00:00 PM
Since this is the Arse-enal thread... I would like to update you all.

Man U won at Liverpool and

Attention.... Attention, yes, yes Arsenal broke their recent streak of draws....

Arsenal did not draw today, yeahhhhhhhhhhh Go gunners you all did not draw against Chelski!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 23, 2008, 03:49:08 PM
f**kery
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on March 23, 2008, 04:00:50 PM
f**kery

a word that sums up your French team

Have fun qualifying for CL
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Jefferz on March 23, 2008, 04:26:33 PM
f**kery

a word that sums up your French team

Have fun qualifying for CL

im gunna punch you in your back next time i see you, f**kin shaft style.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on March 23, 2008, 04:38:50 PM
f**kery

a word that sums up your French team

Have fun qualifying for CL

im gunna punch you in your back next time i see you, f**kin shaft style.

ok mr 3rd place lol  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on March 23, 2008, 05:16:36 PM
BIG SIDES DO BIG THINGS!!

Sorry Arsenal.. You had a good season and a great run, and this thread has brought us all some entertainment, memorable moments, highs and lows..

But this is where the road ends for you.. Drogba was just too much of a man mountain for you today.

Time to move aside and let the big boys do battle for the prem now!

And allyuh keep Gallas with he tantrum-throwing gel-up head self...

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on March 23, 2008, 09:50:36 PM
Chelsea 2-1 Arsenal
By Ian Hughes

(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44510000/jpg/_44510578_didier_203.jpg)

Didier Drogba's double kept Chelsea's title hopes alive while damaging Arsenal's with a win that saw them leapfrog their rivals to go second.

William Gallas hit the post from five yards in the first half but Bacary Sagna put Arsenal in front with a near-post header on 59 minutes.

Drogba equalised with a low drive after Juliano Belletti's long pass was laid off to him by Frank Lampard.

And on 82 minutes Drogba poked home the winner after a Nicolas Anelka flick-on.

With Manchester United's victory over Liverpool earlier in the day, which put them six points clear at the top of the table, both sides were eager to get more than a point from the match - but were also desperate not to lose.

Chelsea began in more cautious fashion, allowing Arsenal plenty of time on the ball, while laying in wait in their defensive third to snuff out the attacks.

With Robin van Persie and Emmanuel Eboue hugging the touchlines, Arsenal used the width to good effect but without really penetrating.

Dutchman Van Persie sliced one shot high and wide when well placed and drove in a volley that was comfortably saved by Carlo Cudicini.

But while Arsenal were on top with their short passing game in the first 20 minutes, Chelsea's more direct approach dictated the play in the second part of the first half.

A lively Drogba sparked the change and he should have scored when clean though on goal but he miscontrolled the ball.

(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44510000/jpg/_44510610_grant_av512x288.jpg)

As the game opened up, Chelsea scrambled clear after two goalwards toe-pokes from Emmanuel Adebayor and Eboue, and Gallas hit the upright from five yards after sliding in at the back post.

Back came Chelsea and Salomon Kalou seemed set to score but missed his kick in the penalty area before the ball was hacked away and Manuel Almunia just managed to divert Joe Cole's dangerous low cross.

The desire to win the game was obvious from both sides and straight after the interval Matthieu Flamini was prevented from giving Arsenal the advantage when his vicious volley was superbly stopped by Cudicini.

Chelsea continued with their route-one approach and Drogba was through again after a long pass by Claude Makelele but Gallas recovered to do enough to put him off.

And then Arsenal turned defence into attack, literally, as Sagna beat his marker at the near post to head in from a Fabregas corner to score his first goal for the club.

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Interview: Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger

But the Frenchman's delight soon turned sour when he was forced off with an ankle injury - and suddenly Chelsea stepped up through the gears.

After a couple of wasted chances, most notably a scuffed shot from Michael Ballack, another long pass paid dividends as the ball eventually fell to Drogba, who lashed in a low drive from the edge of the box.

The impetus was now all with Chelsea and when substitute Anelka headed on another long ball, Drogba was there to flick the ball beyond Almunia, who could not get a strong enough hand to it.

It proved enough to secure three points for Chelsea and close the gap on United to five points, while inflicting only a second league defeat of the season on Arsenal.

Chelsea: Cudicini, Essien, Carvalho, Terry, Ashley Cole, Ballack (Belletti 70), Makelele (Anelka 70), Lampard, Joe Cole (Obi 88), Drogba, Kalou.
Subs Not Used: Hilario, Alex.

Booked: Joe Cole, Ballack, Drogba.

Goals: Drogba 73, 82.

Arsenal: Almunia, Sagna (Diaby 72), Toure, Gallas, Clichy, Eboue, Fabregas, Flamini (Bendtner 88), Hleb, Adebayor, Van Persie (Walcott 76).
Subs Not Used: Lehmann, Senderos.

Booked: Eboue.

Goals: Sagna 59.

Att: 41,824

Ref: Mark Clattenburg (Tyne & Wear).
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Daft Trini on March 23, 2008, 10:16:06 PM
Thought I might stop by and spread some Gunner Cheer... GIve me a G.....GGGGG.... Give me a U....UUUU

wait, wait.... that's not how you spell, "Caps Gun"  :rotfl:

(because dat is all all yuh shooting with)  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: SOBRIQUET on March 23, 2008, 10:22:36 PM
Thought I might stop by and spread some Gunner Cheer... GIve me a G.....GGGGG.... Give me a U....UUUU

wait, wait.... that's not how you spell, "Caps Gun"  :rotfl:

(because dat is all all yuh shooting with)  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

pax pax pax.....
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: WestCoast on March 23, 2008, 11:12:17 PM
Thought I might stop by and spread some Gunner Cheer... GIve me a G.....GGGGG.... Give me a U....UUUU
wait, wait.... that's not how you spell, "Caps Gun"  :rotfl:
(because dat is all all yuh shooting with)  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
pax pax pax.....
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

 ;D ;D ;D ;D
allya not easy to de Cyap gunners
(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:bJjeytnPx4gJ:http://blogs.abcnews.com/photos/uncategorized/minigun2_nr.jpg)
 :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Daft Trini on March 24, 2008, 07:02:06 PM
Helloooo, helloooooo, helloooooo, helloooooooooooh........

boy is like death valley meet de grand canyon in here.....

not ah man in site and all yuh hear is yuh voice....!

helloooooo, hellooooooh, hellooooooooooh  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 25, 2008, 11:30:14 AM
f**kery

a word that sums up your French team

Have fun qualifying for CL

im gunna punch you in your back next time i see you, f**kin shaft style.

ok mr 3rd place lol  ;D

blah blah blah, we shouldn't have let a ball drop to drogba feet in the box, and why did wenger throw on attacking players when Chelsea could only apply long ball football??
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 25, 2008, 11:32:44 AM
Helloooo, helloooooo, helloooooo, helloooooooooooh........

boy is like death valley meet de grand canyon in here.....

not ah man in site and all yuh hear is yuh voice....!

helloooooo, hellooooooh, hellooooooooooh  ;D

small man say big things from far away, anyways due to the long weekend and lack of proximity to a pc i could not respond to much of the gloating and gallering going on, that said, if we don't winn all our games left i want chelsea to win it, f**k manu, no sorry thats wrong they are a good team, f**k the shit faced poor winners worse loser manu fans out there everylast one of you low class f**kwits
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: superoli on March 25, 2008, 11:53:23 AM
I still bitter how come that article forget to mention the three chelsea players offside for the first goal and Drogba push on Ture for the second.............tiefing mudder so and so
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on March 25, 2008, 01:04:10 PM
Helloooo, helloooooo, helloooooo, helloooooooooooh........

boy is like death valley meet de grand canyon in here.....

not ah man in site and all yuh hear is yuh voice....!

helloooooo, hellooooooh, hellooooooooooh  ;D

small man say big things from far away, anyways due to the long weekend and lack of proximity to a pc i could not respond to much of the gloating and gallering going on, that said, if we don't winn all our games left i want chelsea to win it, f**k manu, no sorry thats wrong they are a good team, f**k the shit faced poor winners worse loser manu fans out there everylast one of you low class f**kwits

In other words Gunner, yuh check yuh self into St. Anns after the match and dey would't allow yuh tuh use the PC. Gald yuh out pardner, ah hope yuh have dem on retainer, cause the rest of the season might not be nice!
When ah bounce yuh up ah will buy yuh  ah drink. Yuh need tuh write Arsene9 and tell him tuh spend some money so yuh doh have a repeat next season. Wey he savin the money for?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: RedDevils on March 25, 2008, 01:37:47 PM
Helloooo, helloooooo, helloooooo, helloooooooooooh........

boy is like death valley meet de grand canyon in here.....

not ah man in site and all yuh hear is yuh voice....!

helloooooo, hellooooooh, hellooooooooooh  ;D

small man say big things from far away, anyways due to the long weekend and lack of proximity to a pc i could not respond to much of the gloating and gallering going on, that said, if we don't winn all our games left i want chelsea to win it, f**k manu, no sorry thats wrong they are a good team, f**k the shit faced poor winners worse loser manu fans out there everylast one of you low class f**kwits

In other words Gunner, yuh check yuh self into St. Anns after the match and dey would't allow yuh tuh use the PC. Gald yuh out pardner, ah hope yuh have dem on retainer, cause the rest of the season might not be nice!
When ah bounce yuh up ah will buy yuh  ah drink. Yuh need tuh write Arsene9 and tell him tuh spend some money so yuh doh have a repeat next season. Wey he savin the money for?





as hush money for all de young boys he does sign  :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on March 25, 2008, 01:47:31 PM
Helloooo, helloooooo, helloooooo, helloooooooooooh........

boy is like death valley meet de grand canyon in here.....

not ah man in site and all yuh hear is yuh voice....!

helloooooo, hellooooooh, hellooooooooooh  ;D

small man say big things from far away, anyways due to the long weekend and lack of proximity to a pc i could not respond to much of the gloating and gallering going on, that said, if we don't winn all our games left i want chelsea to win it, f**k manu, no sorry thats wrong they are a good team, f**k the shit faced poor winners worse loser manu fans out there everylast one of you low class f**kwits

In other words Gunner, yuh check yuh self into St. Anns after the match and dey would't allow yuh tuh use the PC. Gald yuh out pardner, ah hope yuh have dem on retainer, cause the rest of the season might not be nice!
When ah bounce yuh up ah will buy yuh  ah drink. Yuh need tuh write Arsene9 and tell him tuh spend some money so yuh doh have a repeat next season. Wey he savin the money for?





as hush money for all de young boys he does sign  :devil:

LOL! Voyering aint cheap!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Jayerson on March 25, 2008, 01:53:11 PM
I still bitter how come that article forget to mention the three chelsea players offside for the first goal and Drogba push on Ture for the second.............tiefing mudder so and so

Tell me nuh, three men were offside. Real crap. There seems to be some pro-Man Utd campaign going on.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 26, 2008, 04:17:22 PM
Helloooo, helloooooo, helloooooo, helloooooooooooh........

boy is like death valley meet de grand canyon in here.....

not ah man in site and all yuh hear is yuh voice....!

helloooooo, hellooooooh, hellooooooooooh  ;D

small man say big things from far away, anyways due to the long weekend and lack of proximity to a pc i could not respond to much of the gloating and gallering going on, that said, if we don't winn all our games left i want chelsea to win it, f**k manu, no sorry thats wrong they are a good team, f**k the shit faced poor winners worse loser manu fans out there everylast one of you low class f**kwits

In other words Gunner, yuh check yuh self into St. Anns after the match and dey would't allow yuh tuh use the PC. Gald yuh out pardner, ah hope yuh have dem on retainer, cause the rest of the season might not be nice!
When ah bounce yuh up ah will buy yuh  ah drink. Yuh need tuh write Arsene9 and tell him tuh spend some money so yuh doh have a repeat next season. Wey he savin the money for?
i have no idea he has done this repeatedly season after season, the first time we got the double he bought no one, the second double, be hought a few cheapos

EVERYYEAR we have a thin squad, and by thin i don't mean numbers i mean experienced battlers blood thirsty warriors, i don't know what he says to the youngsters but they are conssitently impatient and want first team sweat so they go to teams like birmingham etc.

if he keeps this up no big player will want to come to arsenal it wil be a bunch of skilled european and african players who want first team games but can't make it into thier side.

hears a few names of players arsenal courted but never opened up the cheque book wider for, petr chec, christiano ronaldo, jenas, babel, van bommel, ribery, torres just to name a few.... i am begining to understand what it feels liek to be a spurs supporter, so close yet so far...come on arsene! come on gooners!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on March 29, 2008, 09:38:25 AM
* reaches down to the depths of hell to drag this thread back to life


Bolton 1 Arsenal 0, and Diaby sent off for a horrific tackle on Steinsson...

Bye bye Gunners..
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: freakazoid on March 29, 2008, 09:49:40 AM
 2 nil now  :o :o :o
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: JDB on March 29, 2008, 09:49:55 AM
* reaches down to the depths of hell to drag this thread back to life


Bolton 1 Arsenal 0, and Diaby sent off for a horrific tackle on Steinsson...

Bye bye Gunners..

2-0 now.

Let the excuse-making ensue.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: PantherX on March 29, 2008, 10:03:52 AM
This kind of thing does hurt me....from laughing so hard  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: freakazoid on March 29, 2008, 10:13:26 AM
leh mi start off the excuses

.........is the ugly away uniform :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: D.H.W on March 29, 2008, 10:17:59 AM
2 nil now  :o :o :o

wait nah wait nah  :D  :rotfl: doh make joke nah i seeing right hahahahaha  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: big team boy
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: freakazoid on March 29, 2008, 10:18:59 AM
van persie foul diouf the 2 of them exchange wrds yet diouf get ah yellow card hmmm


no this sad  dread arsenal cant come out ah their own half dread wat the hell is this

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: freakazoid on March 29, 2008, 10:27:01 AM
gallas pull back 1

a draw would be nice
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Midknight on March 29, 2008, 10:31:11 AM
2-2
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: freakazoid on March 29, 2008, 10:32:16 AM
yeah i want it to stay so, need to keep bolton in the relugation zone

sorry Samuel and gardner
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Midknight on March 29, 2008, 10:54:06 AM
yeah i want it to stay so, need to keep bolton in the relugation zone

sorry Samuel and gardner

3-2 even better
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: freakazoid on March 29, 2008, 11:00:25 AM
ok i trying to understand this arsenal has been doing this from since whenever they dont square the ball like other clubs they always square it back on top yet teams still seem not to notice that

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: RedDevils on March 29, 2008, 11:04:49 AM
yeah i want it to stay so, need to keep bolton in the relugation zone

sorry Samuel and gardner

3-2 even better





these fackers lucky dread, ah OG they when on........
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: WestCoast on March 29, 2008, 11:06:33 AM
day come back and win oui
Horse shoes
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on March 29, 2008, 11:10:57 AM
Now for Chelsea to beat Man U and steal the title...  :devil:
(after Man U loss to the Arse)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 29, 2008, 11:11:44 AM
This kind of thing does hurt me....from laughing so hard  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:!!!

doh worry yuhself wit arsenal, go polish yuh carling cup and take plenty plenty pictures

we go have the last laugh though, where are you in the league?? still below us right?? cool enjoy
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 29, 2008, 11:16:43 AM
HONESTLY

i was cussing n kicking and sulking at half time, what a come back oui!, not as classy as kanu hatricvk against chelsea, but in the run for the title very vital, hope we can carry this momentum forward now, bring on liverpool!

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on March 29, 2008, 11:18:19 AM
HONESTLY

i was cussing n kicking and sulking at half time, what a come back oui!, not as classy as kanu hatricvk against chelsea, but in the run for the title very vital, hope we can carry this momentum forward now, bring on liverpool!



stunnedgunner yuh luck bitch..

yuh know if allyuh loss dem computer problems from last week woulda resurface.. look how fast de man reach back on de thread.. lol
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Toppa on March 29, 2008, 11:20:33 AM
HONESTLY

i was cussing n kicking and sulking at half time, what a come back oui!, not as classy as kanu hatricvk against chelsea, but in the run for the title very vital, hope we can carry this momentum forward now, bring on liverpool!



stunnedgunner yuh luck bitch..

yuh know if allyuh loss dem computer problems from last week woulda resurface.. look how fast de man reach back on de thread.. lol
haha
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: PantherX on March 29, 2008, 11:26:32 AM
This kind of thing does hurt me....from laughing so hard  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:!!!

doh worry yuhself wit arsenal, go polish yuh carling cup and take plenty plenty pictures

we go have the last laugh though, where are you in the league?? still below us right?? cool enjoy

Haha good one.  I especially like how you ignore all the talk you get from everyone else and single me out....the badge on the left striming a nerve I see.  Anyway at least we win something this year what you going to win?  Third place?

I'll give you props for the comeback today though, well done.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 29, 2008, 11:40:55 AM
HONESTLY

i was cussing n kicking and sulking at half time, what a come back oui!, not as classy as kanu hatricvk against chelsea, but in the run for the title very vital, hope we can carry this momentum forward now, bring on liverpool!



stunnedgunner yuh luck bitch..

yuh know if allyuh loss dem computer problems from last week woulda resurface.. look how fast de man reach back on de thread.. lol

i could say "thats how a real side plays to the final whistle etc etc" but thats too easy, i will say, stats show we score most of our goals in the last 20 minutes of the game, ask a few sides this season

but yes luck does have her play in football, now maybe we can turn this run of luck into grit and grind out 7 more league wins and 5 more champs league games
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 29, 2008, 11:44:48 AM
HONESTLY

i was cussing n kicking and sulking at half time, what a come back oui!, not as classy as kanu hatricvk against chelsea, but in the run for the title very vital, hope we can carry this momentum forward now, bring on liverpool!



stunnedgunner yuh luck bitch..

yuh know if allyuh loss dem computer problems from last week woulda resurface.. look how fast de man reach back on de thread.. lol

as for pc problems, I at work today, listened to all the game son BBC world service radio 98.7 fm everysaturday so check i tou tif yuh cyar see or surf game results
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: JDB on March 29, 2008, 12:11:27 PM
but yes luck does have her play in football, now maybe we can turn this run of luck into grit and grind out 7 more league wins and 5 more champs league games

Too bad there are only six league games left.

Also I surprised that yuh didn't come in here all indignant about the tackling during the game. Aren't you the one who said that high tackling have no place in football.

I'm sure Arsenal was just trying to get some payback because we know the only way to beat them is to kick them.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 29, 2008, 01:29:13 PM
to quote wenger "i didnt see the incident"

nah actually wnger has no argument abou tthe sending off check bbc video

but

if studs are up your off regards less of which side you are on

i am a referee, and i garantee i take a very dim view to studs up challenges



Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 29, 2008, 01:32:13 PM
This kind of thing does hurt me....from laughing so hard  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:!!!

doh worry yuhself wit arsenal, go polish yuh carling cup and take plenty plenty pictures

we go have the last laugh though, where are you in the league?? still below us right?? cool enjoy

Haha good one.  I especially like how you ignore all the talk you get from everyone else and single me out....the badge on the left striming a nerve I see.  Anyway at least we win something this year what you going to win?  Third place?

I'll give you props for the comeback today though, well done.

gracias since thats what yuh boss speaking now lol joke
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 31, 2008, 03:41:55 PM
so its Liverpool on Wednesday

at least diaby can play in this game

my fear is torres, gerrard and babel

,y hope is ade and van persie, i hope walcot starts or comes on as a sub early in the second half to test the tired legs of the liverpool old guard

also raffa might do us a favor and switch up his side a bit

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 04, 2008, 01:17:55 PM
ah well 1-1 but still no advantage to either side arsenal will score at anfeild

but will say more after tomorrow's game, anyone know where this game will be shown?

D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on April 04, 2008, 01:25:54 PM
ah well 1-1 but still no advantage to either side arsenal will score at anfeild

but will say more after tomorrow's game, anyone know where this game will be shown?

D

why yuh doh say more now??

yuh takin front before front take you?

doh cry computer problems after de game tomorrow eh..  :devil:

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 04, 2008, 01:45:33 PM
chups yuh coming to lend meh ah laptop and get ah tstt tech to come and fix meh phone line so i can blog meh mind>?

omarbuttum, rock so with yuh self n study yuh chelsea side who by d grace of goal post getaway from getting drub by borro

although man shitty doh seem to pose a threat to anyone anymore
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on April 04, 2008, 01:48:58 PM
what de same side dat cut allyuh ass 2 wks ago, and go cause allyuh cupboard to be bare come end of season?? 

yeah, lemme go and study dem..  :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 04, 2008, 01:50:21 PM
what de same side dat cut allyuh ass 2 wks ago, and go cause allyuh cupboard to be bare come end of season?? 

yeah, lemme go and study dem..  :rotfl:

whats in your cupboard this season? fortuitious goals from drogba, and didn't that turkish side score 3 last night and chelsea none?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: WestCoast on April 04, 2008, 01:53:28 PM
ay ay
ya see what Wanker have to say today (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/7331494.stm)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 04, 2008, 01:57:39 PM
ay ay
ya see what Wanker have to say today (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/7331494.stm)

ha!

which means favours from chelsea to beat manu and arsenal to beat manu as well

not impossible but its up to another team to bring it back into our reach, even if we beat them they still 3 ahead, they need to loose 2, which i don't see happening, unles Ronaldo piggy fall off from bullin them high class ho's

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: WestCoast on April 04, 2008, 01:59:42 PM
ay ay
ya see what Wanker have to say today (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/7331494.stm)
ha!
which means favours from chelsea to beat manu and arsenal to beat manu as well
not impossible but its up to another team to bring it back into our reach, even if we beat them they still 3 ahead, they need to loose 2, which i don't see happening, unles Ronaldo piggy fall off from bullin them high class ho's
I ent go lie
dis site is de best :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on April 04, 2008, 02:02:33 PM
oh gorm stunny, ah find yuh tone get progressively more bitter in de last month or so..

between de cussin, de crying bout nobody like arsenal and de whining and griping yuh like a whole different person... lol

if yuh feel allyuh beating liverpool tomorrow, then tuesday and then beating man utd next week i have some land in florida to sell yuh...

right now the EPL is between man utd and chelsea, although i backing arsenally to beat them next week so chelsea could slip in thru the back door...

but allyuh sweat done.. season over...

it is like when yuh was a young fella sweating on de court..  u must know when a certain time of de day reach u must step aside for the big boys to play..
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 06, 2008, 01:22:30 PM
oh gorm stunny, ah find yuh tone get progressively more bitter in de last month or so..

between de cussin, de crying bout nobody like arsenal and de whining and griping yuh like a whole different person... lol

if yuh feel allyuh beating liverpool tomorrow, then tuesday and then beating man utd next week i have some land in florida to sell yuh...

right now the EPL is between man utd and chelsea, although i backing arsenally to beat them next week so chelsea could slip in thru the back door...

but allyuh sweat done.. season over...

it is like when yuh was a young fella sweating on de court..  u must know when a certain time of de day reach u must step aside for the big boys to play..

but of corse, yuh some kinda highalldtimeshittalkin'retard? i mus get vex when eduardo leg break an dwe draw that game then we draw five in ah row loose tuh drogba (only reason chelsea win dat game) then draw against snoreapool, mus get vex when we play absolute tata on a day intrafford when the reds smellin blood and looking to lick thie rwounds from losing to mancity at home, by the way that was probably manu best played game this whole season against a ghostly arsenal, hope its a different story next sunday

talk yuh talk, i will be a gunner for life, when roman billions gone and all yuh stars old, what will happen to chelsea? another 50 years before prem title? arsenal  have a looong term plan, my boss say "if we splash on big players now we have big wages to pay, but we have resources and even more when the staidium is paid for" the fututre is bright the fututre is arsenal, chelski can buy in to the game as long as they money floating around but i doubt they have built a club with the foundation and foresight as that of arsenal and manu.

and i would rather see manu win the prem than todays chelsea side

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on April 06, 2008, 02:13:37 PM

but of corse, yuh some kinda highalldtimeshittalkin'retard? i mus get vex when eduardo leg break an dwe draw that game then we draw five in ah row loose tuh drogba (only reason chelsea win dat game) then draw against snoreapool, mus get vex when we play absolute tata on a day intrafford when the reds smellin blood and looking to lick thie rwounds from losing to mancity at home, by the way that was probably manu best played game this whole season against a ghostly arsenal, hope its a different story next sunday

talk yuh talk, i will be a gunner for life, when roman billions gone and all yuh stars old, what will happen to chelsea? another 50 years before prem title? arsenal  have a looong term plan, my boss say "if we splash on big players now we have big wages to pay, but we have resources and even more when the staidium is paid for" the fututre is bright the fututre is arsenal, chelski can buy in to the game as long as they money floating around but i doubt they have built a club with the foundation and foresight as that of arsenal and manu.

and i would rather see manu win the prem than todays chelsea side


now yuh typing getting garbled and yuh sounding more and more like d#1_trinba..

what is all these long tears?

it hurting yuh eh?!  well rub it, is yours..

arsenal does forever talk bout dey future.. Liverpool does forever talk bout dey past..

The present is Chelsea and Man United.

Good luck in your Champs League 2nd leg in Anfield stadium on Tuesday, your last chance to avoid complete and total failure this year.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on April 08, 2008, 07:36:30 PM
(http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc62/trini_omar/arse.gif)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Daft Trini on April 08, 2008, 08:14:41 PM
Hear Yea Hear Yea..... My Dearest Assa Nall your troubles are over.... Henry is for sale from Barca  :rotfl:

All yuh need ah defender like TAYLOR  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: PantherX on April 09, 2008, 10:06:40 AM
I don't have the heart to pick on you now Stunner in light of the barrage you getting from eveyone else....it's just not in my nature to kick a man when he's down.

Better luck next year breds.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on April 09, 2008, 10:10:29 AM
I don't have the heart to pick on you now Stunner in light of the barrage you getting from eveyone else....it's just not in my nature to kick a man when he's down.

Better luck next year breds.


yet you resurrect this thread just when it was headed on its way down to forum page 3895490348...

i wonder what malicious virus attacked stunnedgunner computer this rounds??  :devil: :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Jefferz on April 09, 2008, 10:23:22 AM

but of corse, yuh some kinda highalldtimeshittalkin'retard? i mus get vex when eduardo leg break an dwe draw that game then we draw five in ah row loose tuh drogba (only reason chelsea win dat game) then draw against snoreapool, mus get vex when we play absolute tata on a day intrafford when the reds smellin blood and looking to lick thie rwounds from losing to mancity at home, by the way that was probably manu best played game this whole season against a ghostly arsenal, hope its a different story next sunday

talk yuh talk, i will be a gunner for life, when roman billions gone and all yuh stars old, what will happen to chelsea? another 50 years before prem title? arsenal  have a looong term plan, my boss say "if we splash on big players now we have big wages to pay, but we have resources and even more when the staidium is paid for" the fututre is bright the fututre is arsenal, chelski can buy in to the game as long as they money floating around but i doubt they have built a club with the foundation and foresight as that of arsenal and manu.

and i would rather see manu win the prem than todays chelsea side


now yuh typing getting garbled and yuh sounding more and more like d#1_trinba..

what is all these long tears?

it hurting yuh eh?!  well rub it, is yours..

arsenal does forever talk bout dey future.. Liverpool does forever talk bout dey past..

The present is Chelsea and Man United.

Good luck in your Champs League 2nd leg in Anfield stadium on Tuesday, your last chance to avoid complete and total failure this year.

Now usually omaraldinho you pose good sensible points and state them quite eloquently and with solid reason... buh de man put together some good points about his team and their future... and they do add up and yuh just tryin tuh be malicious now... and perhaps if it was a nano bit as clever and witty as most of your shit ups i might have just laughed and moved on, but it wasnt.

yuh could say ah biased to Arsenal, but he put good points forward and yuh din put anything construct back but try tuh shit him up which didnt really work anyway...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on April 09, 2008, 10:54:29 AM

but of corse, yuh some kinda highalldtimeshittalkin'retard? i mus get vex when eduardo leg break an dwe draw that game then we draw five in ah row loose tuh drogba (only reason chelsea win dat game) then draw against snoreapool, mus get vex when we play absolute tata on a day intrafford when the reds smellin blood and looking to lick thie rwounds from losing to mancity at home, by the way that was probably manu best played game this whole season against a ghostly arsenal, hope its a different story next sunday

talk yuh talk, i will be a gunner for life, when roman billions gone and all yuh stars old, what will happen to chelsea? another 50 years before prem title? arsenal  have a looong term plan, my boss say "if we splash on big players now we have big wages to pay, but we have resources and even more when the staidium is paid for" the fututre is bright the fututre is arsenal, chelski can buy in to the game as long as they money floating around but i doubt they have built a club with the foundation and foresight as that of arsenal and manu.

and i would rather see manu win the prem than todays chelsea side


now yuh typing getting garbled and yuh sounding more and more like d#1_trinba..

what is all these long tears?

it hurting yuh eh?!  well rub it, is yours..

arsenal does forever talk bout dey future.. Liverpool does forever talk bout dey past..

The present is Chelsea and Man United.

Good luck in your Champs League 2nd leg in Anfield stadium on Tuesday, your last chance to avoid complete and total failure this year.

Now usually omaraldinho you pose good sensible points and state them quite eloquently and with solid reason... buh de man put together some good points about his team and their future... and they do add up and yuh just tryin tuh be malicious now... and perhaps if it was a nano bit as clever and witty as most of your shit ups i might have just laughed and moved on, but it wasnt.

yuh could say ah biased to Arsenal, but he put good points forward and yuh din put anything construct back but try tuh shit him up which didnt really work anyway...

Jefferz..

I mustve missed the sensible points he posted in midst of his childish rants ('snoreapool') and bunch ah senselessness he was posting that day about 'Chelsea without drogba' or 'Man Utd without CR7'.. It was just too incoherant for me to give it any time..

But if you're talking about what he said about Roman's billions, let me put forward this question in response:

In the current climate of English football, how do you propose that an ambitious club break into the Arsenal - Man United - Liverpool monopoly that has been existent for so many years?

These clubs poach the lion's share of profits from TV revenue, then swipe the best talent from the teams below them (established and youth players). If that's not bad enough, they get beneficial treatment from the FA with scheduling and I'll even go so far as to say from the officials with decisions.

That's why I can't vex with a club like Chelsea when they get some money to make a run at the big guns and break up that whole 'divine right to success' scene in the EPL. There's probably no other way to do it.

Is not like in Spain where a Real Sociedad or Villareal could make a serious run for the title in a given season with limited resources. Or like Italy where Palermo could come up and do some damage, or like Germany where Stuttgart and Hamburg could press for the title. The EPL environment is just not hospitable to that. In England is Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool and then the rest to scrap for the dregs.

Long live Chelsea!

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 09, 2008, 05:34:14 PM
facts

i have no idea how we intend to beat manchester on sunday, thank you

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on April 09, 2008, 06:51:12 PM
facts

i have no idea how we intend to beat manchester on sunday, thank you




Gunner my condolences, yuh team run outta steam just like you.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on April 10, 2008, 02:10:07 PM
Just read where Flamini is now out for 3 weeks. Arsenal like dem kill priest  :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 11, 2008, 03:21:23 PM
facts

i have no idea how we intend to beat manchester on sunday, thank you




Gunner my condolences, yuh team run outta steam just like you.

palos doh pretend yuh know how much steam i have, i never said we couldn't win, i said I dont no ho wwe intend to beat them, miracles do happen.

and you can quote that, ask liverpool

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 11, 2008, 03:23:12 PM
Just read where Flamini is now out for 3 weeks. Arsenal like dem kill priest  :devil:


even fergie admits arsenals injuries have hit us hard
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 11, 2008, 03:25:35 PM
article on bbc.com

Wenger unperturbed by criticism 
 
Wenger has not tasted trophy success since 2005
Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger has shrugged off criticism over his managerial leadership this season ahead of Sunday's game with Manchester United.

Wenger's reluctance to add to his squad in January has been pinpointed by some critics as the reason for the collapse of their challenge for honours.

"I don't mind I'm questioned," said Wenger. "I prefer I'm questioned rather than the players.

"I'm in a position where you have to accept criticism. I can handle that."

Wenger added: "My position is not my problem or worry. My only worry is to be at my best every day and to act as if I will spend the rest of my life here at the club."

The Frenchman also backed his decision not to strengthen the squad in January.  I believe we do not get the credit we deserve

Arsene Wenger


"We were top of the league, the players were doing well so why disturb the team?"

Arsenal go into Sunday's game against United knowing only a win will keep alive their slim hopes of a Premier League title.

They are six points behind the leaders with only five games remaining and on Tuesday Wenger saw his side's Champions League hopes ended at Anfield against Liverpool.

With their season fizzling out there are questions over whether Wenger was right not to bring in some strength in depth during the January transfer window.

But Wenger pinpointed injuries and poor refereeing decisions as the reason behind his side's recent poor run of results.

"I believe we have been hit very hard by injuries and decisions from the referees," said Wenger. "It is part of football, we have to swallow that and we must take the criticism.

"We fight until the end of the season with teams who have spent much more money - some teams spent over £100m - and on top of that we get slaughtered so it is not easy to take.

"I believe we do not get the credit we deserve."

"We have lost a big game, we have to swallow it and be criticised maybe but not on the basic philosophy of the club.

"We have made mistakes on the field and we did on Tuesday. But this club is admired all over world for the football we play and the quality of our behaviour and I think we have been unfairly punished in the games against Liverpool."

 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: SOBRIQUET on April 11, 2008, 04:26:57 PM
i just cyah wait till sunday, when man united put you AND this jackass thread in its rightful resting place til August.  Thanks for an entire season/thread of not-so-good banter gunnerstunner! R.I.P to you and Arsenal till next season... ;)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 11, 2008, 05:27:43 PM
i just cyah wait till sunday, when man united put you AND this jackass thread in its rightful resting place til August.  Thanks for an entire season/thread of not-so-good banter gunnerstunner! R.I.P to you and Arsenal till next season... ;)

at least arsenal ain't going where tupac has

anyway who gives a shit if this isn't the most entertaining thread and its creator isn't the most elloquent??? its about arsenal through and through, go open your own thread on what ever topic or team you like, i'll keep this going through the summer and transfers and friendlies no rest for the true supporters
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on April 11, 2008, 05:31:23 PM
forget you boy sobriquet, i will be an arsenal fan for a day on sunday.

Arsenal 1 Man Utd 1

Chelsea 2 Man Utd 1

Chelsea win EPL 2008.

Wha yuh sayin dey meh boy stunnedgunner??
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 11, 2008, 05:37:23 PM
it pains me to say this but i would rather manu beat us like rooney does beat he gyal than chelsea win it with russian oil money and boring bullish unstylish football

manu have played consistently all season, injuries were few n far, and ronaldo played his white socks off.

what has chelsea done? bully teams? with horrible defenders like carvhalho? and buffalo soldier essien? whom i rate as a stronger more skill ful version of a player like emile heskey, no matter how good chelsea squad is they will never have the class or style that teams like manu and arsenal can produce

that said i prefer to see that type of football win anyday over a side that money built rather than skill development and planning


Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 11, 2008, 05:39:32 PM
Hear Yea Hear Yea..... My Dearest Assa Nall your troubles are over.... Henry is for sale from Barca  :rotfl:

All yuh need ah defender like TAYLOR  ;D

pathetic just sad you still think thats how football is played
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: elan on April 12, 2008, 08:38:19 PM
Man Utd   (http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll314/Chunkycj/360.gif)  v   Arsenal   (http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll314/Chunkycj/359.gif)


Team Stat Comparison 
                   
                Man Utd                            Arsenal                                                              
Matches Played    33                                  33                                                                                                                                  
Table Position      1                                    3 
Points                 77                                  71 
Goal Difference    53                                  36 
Goals for *          2.4                                 1.8 
Goals against *    0.3                                 1.0 
Last 5                D-W-W-W-W                   D-W-L-D-D 
Last 5 home       W-W-W-L-W                    D-D-D-W-W 
Last 5 away        D-W-W-W-D                    W-L-D-D-W 
*  Goals per match - home matches for home club and away matches for away club 
·  Club Stats:  Man Utd  |  Arsenal 

 
Last Five Matches in Competition 
Man Utd                            Arsenal                             
@Middlesbrough 2-2          Liverpool 1-1 
Aston Villa 4-0                  @Bolton 2-3 
Liverpool 3-0                    @Chelsea 2-1 
Bolton 2-0                       Middlesbrough 1-1 
@Derby 0-1                     @Wigan 0-0 
· Club Results: Man Utd | Arsenal 

Next Five Matches in Competition 
Man Utd                               Arsenal    
4/13  Arsenal                      4/13  @Man Utd 
4/19  @Blackburn                4/19  Reading 
4/26  @Chelsea                   4/28  @Derby 
5/3  West Ham                    5/4  Everton 
5/11  @Wigan                     5/11 @Sunderland 
· Club Schedule: Man Utd | Arsenal 
Updated: April 12, 2008, 8:49 AM ET



Manchester United defender Rio Ferdinand will face Arsenal despite needing three stitches in his foot in midweek.
Ferdinand suffered the injury in the victory against Roma in the Champions League at Old Trafford.

The foot was also swollen but manager Sir Alex Ferguson expects him to recover in time for the match against their title rivals.

Patrice Evra could return at left-back after missing the European game with a knock.

Cristiano Ronaldo and Wayne Rooney are expected to be restored to the side after being on the bench against Roma.

Ferguson believes there is much more to Owen Hargreaves' game than a holding role in midfield.

Hargreaves built his reputation at Bayern Munich as someone who could break up the play.

His unselfish performances for the German giants did not go unnoticed and he secured an £17million move to United in the summer.

Hargreaves, though, has taken time to settle - mainly because of a nagging knee problem.

However, he lit up Old Trafford in midweek with marauding runs down the right flank in the absence of Ronaldo.

Hargreaves set up the goal for Carlos Tevez, which sealed a 3-0 aggregate win over Roma in the Champions League, with a cross that David Beckham would have been proud of.

He is now pushing for a place in the starting line-up against Arsenal and Ferguson feels the England international has a lot to offer.

He said: "I wanted to leave Paul Scholes out against Roma and play with three central midfielders.

"Owen was given a different type of role, which he absolutely excelled at. He was our star man.

"There are a variety of roles Owen can play, without question. He has the intelligence and application to adapt.''

While Ferguson is on a high after his side set up a meeting with Barcelona in the Champions League semi-finals, his managerial counterpart Arsene Wenger has to rally his team after they lost to Liverpool in the competition.

The Gunners are six points adrift and defeat will all but end their title challenge with only four games remaining.

Ferguson believes Arsenal's form has dipped because of injuries to key players.

He said: "You do not win games consistently without your best team.

"If you do not have your best players, it is hard to get good results.

"We have suffered like this in the past because of injuries, as have all sides.

"It is a tough league and somewhere along the along you drop points when you do not expect it.

"We lost six to Manchester City, which we did not envisage, and got beaten by Bolton.''

Arsenal midfielder Mathieu Flamini will miss the game after being ruled out for three weeks with an ankle problem and will be replaced in the starting line-up by Gilberto.

Defender Bacary Sagna remains on the sidelines with his ankle problem but striker Robin van Persie could start after coming on as a substitute against Liverpool.

The Gunners recent meltdown has failed to convince Wenger he must embark on a summer spending spree.

Arsenal face a third successive season without silverware if they fail to beat United - and critics have suggested Wenger must loosen the purse strings when the transfer window opens, but the Frenchman retains complete faith in his current squad.

"We will continue to do what we've done. I will buy but not too much in the summer,'' he said.

"My priority is to keep this team together because we are still young, especially in some departments.

"If we can add one more body we will do so, not one in each department - just one experienced guy.''

United lie six points above Arsenal with five games remaining and Wenger claims to win the title race from this position would be the finest moment of his career.

But he also knows failure at Old Trafford will effectively spell the end of Arsenal's season.

"It will be the greatest achievement of my career to win the Premier League now because we are swimming against the stream at the moment,'' he said.

"But I still believe this team can produce it. For us the game on Sunday is the game of the season. If we do not win this game we have no chance.

"I can't understand people who say the team's season is over. Why is it over? We are not too far behind."What is at stake on Sunday is the work of a whole year. If we go there and don't believe in ourselves then it is over.

"But do you really think that we will go to Manchester United thinking that our season is over? That would be ridiculous.
"We have worked so hard since the first day of the season and we will fight until the last second of the championship.''


http://soccernet-akamai.espn.go.com/preview?id=220865&league=ENG.1&cc=5901
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Daft Trini on April 12, 2008, 09:12:56 PM
Hear Yea Hear Yea..... My Dearest Assa Nall your troubles are over.... Henry is for sale from Barca  :rotfl:

All yuh need ah defender like TAYLOR  ;D

pathetic just sad you still think thats how football is played

It's pathetic you are an Assanal fan.... so which is worse???

hahaha  joke over but I putting you on suicide watch... because Assa nalll cutarse book tomorrow...

Glory Glory Man United....
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on April 12, 2008, 09:22:30 PM
 :rotfl: :rotfl:

Almunia: Lehmann hates me

http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/8028056/Almunia:-Lehmann-hates-me

Arsenal goalkeeper Manuel Almunia has finally snapped at the latest round of verbals fired in his direction by Gunners rival Jens Lehmann.

Following a start to the season characterised by less than assured goalkeeping displays, Lehmann found himself usurped as Arsene Wenger's first choice between the posts at Emirates Stadium.

Almunia's form in his team-mate's absence has seen him justify his selection as the club's recognised number one, but an outspoken Lehmann has failed to concur - often on record - with his manager's decision.

Lehmann's infamous spat on the international scene with Oliver Kahn has often made the headlines back in Germany, but this season his ire has been targeted a little closer to home; with Almunia regularly berated by his team-mate's candid comments.

This week Lehmann expressed his disdain at 'sitting on the bench behind somebody who only started to play when he was 30', and while Almunia has in the past has maintained a dignified silence, it would his patience has now run thin.

In an interview The Guardian, Almunia has spoken of his disappointment that Lehmann feels the need to so openly, and so regularly, voice his criticism.

"I'm an easy-going person," he said. "I like to treat everyone with respect and I see everyone as equals. I treat people the way I would like to be treated myself.

"To have someone here who hates me is just amazing. I know he hates me.

"Every morning I wake up I know it is going to be the same. I've had to put up with it every day since he was out of the team and even before then. I wake up and I know what it is going to be like.

"But I don't care about him any more. He can say what he likes. I come into training and I work with Lukasz Fabianski and Vito Mannone. They are better goalkeepers than him anyway."


While Almunia admits he has often felt exasperated by the situation, he is not prepared to engage in any kind of talks with his 38-year-old colleague, as he feels reconciliation is not now an option.

"It's his problem, not mine, and I don't see why I should try to talk to him about it. The truth is I don't want to talk to him. I came into training this morning and one of the press officers told me he had been saying bad things about me in the newspapers again. It didn't surprise me.

"The truth is I have got used to reading these things from him. If he was someone important to me, I would try to talk to him and see what the problem is. But he's not. So we don't talk.

"I've never been in a situation like this before in my career. Normally we goalkeepers have so much respect for each other.

"Why he doesn't respect me, I don't know. But I don't want any relationship with him. I try not to let what he says enter my mind because it's not important to me what he says or what he thinks."
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Daft Trini on April 12, 2008, 09:55:37 PM
it pains me to say this but i would rather manu beat us like rooney does beat he gyal than chelsea win it with russian oil money and boring bullish unstylish football

manu have played consistently all season, injuries were few n far, and ronaldo played his white socks off.

what has chelsea done? bully teams? with horrible defenders like carvhalho? and buffalo soldier essien? whom i rate as a stronger more skill ful version of a player like emile heskey, no matter how good chelsea squad is they will never have the class or style that teams like manu and arsenal can produce

that said i prefer to see that type of football win anyday over a side that money built rather than skill development and planning




Boring flecking football.... who you watching Assanal.... I rather sex ah fat thing than watch all yuh play.. at least ah know ah getting some pleasure out of it.... I hate watching ah team that could only string passes and score no goals from it. Henry fuh sale....
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 13, 2008, 07:14:38 AM
it pains me to say this but i would rather manu beat us like rooney does beat he gyal than chelsea win it with russian oil money and boring bullish unstylish football

manu have played consistently all season, injuries were few n far, and ronaldo played his white socks off.

what has chelsea done? bully teams? with horrible defenders like carvhalho? and buffalo soldier essien? whom i rate as a stronger more skill ful version of a player like emile heskey, no matter how good chelsea squad is they will never have the class or style that teams like manu and arsenal can produce

that said i prefer to see that type of football win anyday over a side that money built rather than skill development and planning




Boring flecking football.... who you watching Assanal.... I rather sex ah fat thing than watch all yuh play.. at least ah know ah getting some pleasure out of it.... I hate watching ah team that could only string passes and score no goals from it. Henry fuh sale....

das why you get so much cutarse in yuh life from bullin fat tings!

yes we are finding it difficult to finish now, so gallery and te le le all now because when we do find the finishing touch the rest of the bandwagonistas will hail the arsenal

henry only good to come off d bench for us now, he wouldnt be a starter for us any more
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Daft Trini on April 13, 2008, 10:34:57 AM
Pouring some Vat 19 on the floor.....

All yuh done......
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: SOBRIQUET on April 13, 2008, 10:59:50 AM
GunnerStunner......R.I.P.......
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on April 13, 2008, 11:02:30 AM
well played boys...i cant fault my team for their effort today at times they had manu at sixes and sevens.   gilberto was off the pace of the game as evidenced by his going to ground at least 10 times. it was his silly foul that led to the freekick and knocked the wind out of the sails.   i still backing my side though thick and then...let me see some other so-called fans say that
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: PantherX on April 13, 2008, 12:15:32 PM
doh worry allyuh only now remeber what medals and trophy's feel like, after how long?

True but don't get no horrors, when the season done I'll be happy to describe to you how it feels to win something ;D .

Seeing as the Arse's season is now over I'm ready to describe that winning feeling to you whenever you're ready.

Congrats on achieving third place ;D.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 13, 2008, 12:18:04 PM
doh worry allyuh only now remeber what medals and trophy's feel like, after how long?

True but don't get no horrors, when the season done I'll be happy to describe to you how it feels to win something ;D .

Seeing as the Arse's season is now over I'm ready to describe that winning feeling to you whenever you're ready.

Congrats on achieving third place ;D.

das ok we have won many things over many years so we kno whow its feels, you just enjoy yuh foil cup, our youths will be back for it next year :)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 13, 2008, 12:19:48 PM
ARSENAL FOREVER!!![/[/color][/size]b]
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on April 13, 2008, 12:20:57 PM
stunnedgunner, i cyah pong yuh no more i feeling sorry for yuh..

but i ask..

Where are your friends??

The ones who were so vociferous in support in the early pages of this thread..

The dwn's, toucheses, dumpas, carib-britons, redtrinigirls and paloses of this world..

Look how they have all forsaken you..  :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 13, 2008, 12:22:48 PM
stunnedgunner, i cyah pong yuh no more i feeling sorry for yuh..

but i ask..

Where are your friends??

The ones who were so vociferous in support in the early pages of this thread..

The dwn's, toucheses, dumpas, carib-britons, redtrinigirls and paloses of this world..

Look how they have all forsaken you..  :devil:
das ok i feel abrahmovic buy them cus chelski need all the help they can get if they feel they beating manu! well done red devils see you next season
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 14, 2008, 06:07:00 AM
keep the faith fellow gooners!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Daft Trini on April 14, 2008, 06:12:11 AM
keep the faith fellow gooners!

Respect Gunner... you love yuh team... ;)

Ah not hearing dem other supporters, what happen.... Wenger put back he comforter in all yuh mouth???
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: takenoprisoners on April 14, 2008, 12:14:29 PM
Fabregas is struggling since he came back off injury and his lack of form may be the reason for Arsenal not clicking on all cylinders. Diarra looked quite impressive against Blackburn, like Fabregas he is an excellent shielder of the ball and does not give up possession cheaply. Diarra deserves an opportunity to break into the first team based on his recent form and to keep the others honest.

You'd be mad to leave Arsenal: Wenger warning to Diarra and Diaby
Last updated at 18:14pm on 28th December 2007


Arsene Wenger maintains Arsenal's "young players are in paradise" having been given the opportunity to play for the first team so early in their careers.
The Gunners currently sit second in the Barclays Premier League heading into 2008, which could prove to be a vintage year for the north London club.

Following the summer sale of talisman Thierry Henry, Wenger's emerging squad showed great character to climb to the top of the league table, before being overtaken by Manchester United on Boxing Day, as well as reaching the semi-finals of the Carling Cup and to qualify for the last 16 in Europe.
However, there have been reports of frustration in the dressing room from some of the younger players at a perceived lack of regular first-team football - with the likes of 22-year-old Lassana Diarra, only signed from Chelsea during August, and Abou Diaby, 21, revealing they could consider a future away from Arsenal if things did not improve.

The Gunners boss, though, firmly believes everyone has to be content to bide their time, rather than complain about breaks not going their way.

Wenger declared: "You tell me one club in the world, of our size, that gives a chance to the young players as we do? There is not one.

"You go to Real Madrid, you go to Milan, where do the young players play?

"So at our club young players are in paradise, because usually they have to wait to 26 or 27 to get a chance in a big club."

The Arsenal manager continued: "I try to make everybody happy, but it is impossible.

"You cannot always feel sorry for players who are a bit frustrated.

"We are not in a kindergarten here - we are in a job for men.

"Why should I come up and give explanations for every individual who is not happy? It is a joke.

"When you are a professional footballer, competition is part of your job.

"Why should we suddenly all feel surprised a player is frustrated? You cannot be at our level at one of the biggest clubs in the world, paid at a fantastic level, and have no competition."

Wenger maintained: "At the end of the day, I will act for what is good for the club, because that is my first responsibly - what it important is what is good for hundred of thousands, not what is good for one."

The Arsenal manager, however, sees no reasons why Diarra - currently behind fellow Frenchman Mathieu Flamini in the central midfield pecking order - cannot go on to be a "fantastic player" for the Gunners.

Wenger insisted: "Diarra has a 100% professional attitude every day in training. He is in the squad tomorrow [against Everton].

"For me, players like Diarra are top, top level players. If you have a period for two or three months with the team doing well and you have a player doing well in front of you that is bad luck.

"But at the end of the day, it is a job for strong people and those who stay strong always come out.

"If they join a club lower in the league then they start saying: 'I should be playing at a top club'. You expect competition at a big club.

"Diarra has the talent to be at a big club. That is where his place is. It is as simple as that.

"He wants to play, I can understand that. He is unhappy not to play which I can understand as well.

"But you have to assess yourself and stay where you belong.

"He belongs at a big club because he has the talent for it. If he continues to fight then he will come through and play."

Arsenal surrendered their lead at the top of the table following a goaless draw at Portsmouth on Boxing Day.

It was the first time the Gunners had failed to score in the Premier League this season, and was a third away [Premier League] game without a win.

Wenger is anticipating another stern examination of his side's title credentials at sixth-placed Everton tomorrow - but declared: "We will be up for it. On that front, I have no problem.

"The last three games we have not created so many chances, but in the programme we have played Chelsea, Tottenham and Portsmouth away.

"We took seven points from three very difficult games and that is not disastrous."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/sport/football.html?in_article_id=504982&in_page_id=1779&ct=5


For all those who are clamouring for Arsene to strengthen his bench, it is not easy keeping the troops happy if they are warming the bench. Diarra is a perfect example. If he had been patient and stayed with Arsenal or if Arsene had used him more, he might have been instrumental in helping to bring home silverware this year. As I stated back in January, Fabregas had been struggling since he was injured back in December yet Arsene continued to use Fabregas and Flamini. I believe a major part of Arsenal's demise mirrors the output of Fabregas. Wenger should have utilized his squad like Fergie or the much maligned and ridiculed Benitez. Diarra could have spelled off either  Flamini or Fabregas who just ran out of gas and started to force long hopeful balls. (notice how many +40 yard passes he kept lobbing to Adebayor lately which went awry).
 Arsenal could have won silverware if Wenger rotated his squad and in so doing minimize the injuries  .  Fabregas, Flamini, Toure  and Addy were tired men at the end of the season , add this to the injuries and you live with the results. The players must be commended for giving their all and playing football at a very high level despite the adversity. A larger squad with rotation will be an improvement, without rotation  the sulking will be cancerous and the underachieving will continue.

Gooners forever!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Carib-Briton on April 14, 2008, 12:16:49 PM
stunnedgunner, i cyah pong yuh no more i feeling sorry for yuh..

but i ask..

Where are your friends??

The ones who were so vociferous in support in the early pages of this thread..



Look how they have all forsaken you..  :devil:

HELLO HELLO WE ARE THE ARSENAL BOYS!
HELLO HELLO WE ARE THE ARSENAL BOYS AND IF YOU ARE CHELSEA FAN SURRENDER OR YOU'LL DIE
CAUSE WE ALL (The dwn's, toucheses, dumpas, carib-britons, redtrinigirls and paloses of this world..) follow THE ARSENAL BOYS!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on April 14, 2008, 12:21:21 PM
stunnedgunner, i cyah pong yuh no more i feeling sorry for yuh..

but i ask..

Where are your friends??

The ones who were so vociferous in support in the early pages of this thread..



Look how they have all forsaken you..  :devil:

HELLO HELLO WE ARE THE ARSENAL BOYS!
HELLO HELLO WE ARE THE ARSENAL BOYS AND IF YOU ARE CHELSEA FAN SURRENDER OR YOU'LL DIE
CAUSE WE ALL (The dwn's, toucheses, dumpas, carib-britons, redtrinigirls and paloses of this world..) follow THE ARSENAL BOYS!


ARSENAL BOYS is right!!  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on April 14, 2008, 12:22:24 PM
ARSENAL FOREVER!!!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Carib-Briton on April 14, 2008, 12:26:18 PM
stunnedgunner, i cyah pong yuh no more i feeling sorry for yuh..

but i ask..

Where are your friends??

The ones who were so vociferous in support in the early pages of this thread..

The dwn's, toucheses, dumpas, carib-britons, redtrinigirls and paloses of this world..

Look how they have all forsaken you..  :devil:

HELLO HELLO WE ARE THE ARSENAL BOYS!
HELLO HELLO WE ARE THE ARSENAL BOYS AND IF YOU ARE CHELSEA FAN SURRENDER OR YOU'LL DIE
CAUSE WE ALL (The dwn's, toucheses, dumpas, carib-britons, redtrinigirls and paloses of this world..) follow THE ARSENAL BOYS!




Yeah,
and as for what is highlighted my 8 posts (inc this one) shows I was behaving ''vociferously''  ::)
Considering one of the most notable things was talking about being happy when your team is winning , THATS A CRIME!
Only twist who you can prove behaved in such as way.


Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on April 14, 2008, 12:26:44 PM
doh study me breds i on kicks
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Carib-Briton on April 14, 2008, 12:31:05 PM
doh study me breds i on kicks

I know you pensioner scumbag  :beermug: :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Carib-Briton on April 14, 2008, 12:35:09 PM
ARSENAL FOREVER!!!!!


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Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: redtrinigirl on April 14, 2008, 12:48:32 PM
Omarldinho yuh calling meh name. You eh see my posts in the Man U vs Arsenal thread or wha? Me eh hiding breds. I congrat de devils and dem, and speak my peace on what Wenger need to do for next season.

I eh switching sides. I still love meh Arsenal!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: trinipepper on April 14, 2008, 01:41:16 PM
Arsenal needs a leader ... dey better invest in some players next year... bwoi de magnificent man u made them look like a bunch of clowns on the field... best of luck next year.. pack up and go to the circus
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on April 14, 2008, 01:48:14 PM
His name is Owen Hargreaves
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e7/ruud1000/80658404.jpg)
He came over from Mu-nich
And when he played the Arsenal,
He scored a great free-kick.
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It made the Pedo question..
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If luck is on his side?
f**k OFF Arsene Wenger, Your team's a load of shite!!!!!
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Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Carib-Briton on April 14, 2008, 01:54:02 PM
I don't what those pictures were supposed to do but.

ARSENAL FOREVER!!!!!


Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: RedDevils on April 14, 2008, 01:55:01 PM
 :devil: :devil:


thats right small Mag, rub it in.



Man-U 4 ever
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: D.H.W on April 14, 2008, 01:57:41 PM
shithounds of d emrates ::) :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Daft Trini on April 14, 2008, 02:05:32 PM
I can hear the cannons of arsenal letting out a faint "puff- puff" Go gunners... :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: TRUwarrior on April 14, 2008, 02:38:13 PM
Seeing that Wenger is the cheap bastard that he is.....i feel it will be another 3 years of losin out
cuz he waitin till his "young" squad gain  experience :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on April 14, 2008, 02:55:13 PM
Seeing that Wenger is the cheap bastard that he is.....i feel it will be another 3 years of losin out
cuz he waitin till his "young" squad gain  experience :devil:


Dey gainin experience allrigte- how tuh win nuttin and like it!!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on April 14, 2008, 03:24:52 PM
Seeing that Wenger is the cheap bastard that he is.....i feel it will be another 3 years of losin out
cuz he waitin till his "young" squad gain  experience :devil:

talk alyuh talk and learn from history. when fergie did blood the nevilles, giggs, beckham etc. manu didnt win no titles one time, but when that side mature and with the inclusion of a certain lisping fella from tobago...you know the rest.   this arsenal side is young and it will only take a couple more squad members and/or the maturing of some from the youth ranks to propel it up there where it belongs. 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: freakazoid on April 14, 2008, 03:35:07 PM
Why allyuh not putting the correct title of the thread? ARSENAL FOREVER .....falling short
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on April 14, 2008, 04:34:13 PM
Seeing that Wenger is the cheap bastard that he is.....i feel it will be another 3 years of losin out
cuz he waitin till his "young" squad gain  experience :devil:

talk alyuh talk and learn from history. when fergie did blood the nevilles, giggs, beckham etc. manu didnt win no titles one time, but when that side mature and with the inclusion of a certain lisping fella from tobago...you know the rest.   this arsenal side is young and it will only take a couple more squad members and/or the maturing of some from the youth ranks to propel it up there where it belongs. 


Man you drinkin dat Koolaid titled ' Arsenal young'. Dey aint dat young. Dat team dey play most of the yeah had hard arse men like Gallas, Toure, Allmunia, Hleb, Rosicky, Flamini, Adeboyor, all of whom 25 or older. What so young about dat team? Dat United side most of the players were much younger than this Arsenal team on average.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 14, 2008, 09:13:13 PM
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Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: capodetutticapi on April 14, 2008, 10:00:43 PM
talk about ah waste of space.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: boss on April 15, 2008, 03:52:53 AM
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Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: PantherX on April 16, 2008, 10:07:31 AM
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Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 16, 2008, 02:50:48 PM
blah blah blah haters blah blah blah still no where near as good as arsenal blah blah blah
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on April 16, 2008, 05:04:32 PM
Somebody need tuh give this thread last rites!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on April 16, 2008, 07:17:28 PM
last rites...dude is men like u who keepin it alive...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: D.H.W on April 16, 2008, 09:11:48 PM
last rites...dude is men like u who keepin it alive...
you mean is d shit arsenal keep doing week after week tht keeping it alive :devil:
Title: Only at whiney Arsenal this could happen!
Post by: SOBRIQUET on April 17, 2008, 12:51:21 PM
yes gunnerstunner, ah firing shot at yuh team again.........this same shit happen with Sol Campbell, when Arsene throw him under the bus, then he was shipped out soon after... Why not just allow the men them to play the next game, or be with their teamates on the bench, so they could help him get over it? deal with it as a TEAM.... giving them "time to think" only singles them out and villifies them even more with the fans..... but don't worry, ah dun know yuh go side with yuh daddy Wenger, so doe even bother to respond  ;)

http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/8043344/Senderos-needed-time-to-reflect

Philippe Senderos was given time off in order to recover from the mental blow of Arsenal's UEFA Champions League exit, according to his father.

The Gunners departed the Champions League at the quarter-final stage after they suffered a 5-3 aggregate defeat to Liverpool.
 
Senderos was criticised, by some, after he failed to mark Sami Hyypia and was easily turned by Fernando Torres during Liverpool's 4-2 triumph in the second leg at Anfield.

Alexandre Song was then a surprise replacement for the Switzerland international for last Sunday's 2-1 defeat to rivals Manchester United.

And Senderos' father, Julien, has confirmed that his son needed time to recuperate following Arsenal's European exit.

"Philippe has been on the phone to us every day for the last few days," he said in the Daily Mail.

"He was not feeling too good after Arsenal went out of the Champions League.

"Arsene Wenger gave him Sunday and Monday off so he could clear his mind and he has done that.

"But it's not the case that he is suffering from depression."
Title: Re: Only at whiney Arsenal this could happen!
Post by: dwn on April 17, 2008, 12:55:42 PM
why is this in the news in the 1st place? a man get a couple days off and is a big story.  :-\
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on April 17, 2008, 01:24:51 PM
Man you drinkin dat Koolaid titled ' Arsenal young'. Dey aint dat young. Dat team dey play most of the yeah had hard arse men like Gallas, Toure, Allmunia, Hleb, Rosicky, Flamini, Adeboyor, all of whom 25 or older. What so young about dat team? Dat United side most of the players were much younger than this Arsenal team on average.

Flamini and Adebayor are 24. (Wasn't meant to be an argument with your point. Just sharing the info.)
Title: Re: Only at whiney Arsenal this could happen!
Post by: Touches on April 17, 2008, 01:59:54 PM
I ent understand...

So when a man do shit he cyar get bench?
Title: Re: Only at whiney Arsenal this could happen!
Post by: Carib-Briton on April 17, 2008, 02:02:07 PM
lol.  Sit with the teamates or be at home? either long as long as he don't end up like Paul McGrath that will be best in the long term for him.
Title: Re: Only at whiney Arsenal this could happen!
Post by: D.H.W on April 17, 2008, 02:13:16 PM
shithounds
Title: Re: Only at whiney Arsenal this could happen!
Post by: fari on April 17, 2008, 02:59:39 PM
whiney arsenal?? who's whining?  the guy needed a break and got it...end of story...things must be boring with other clubs because mofos ent have nutten better to do than mind arsenal business...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 17, 2008, 03:16:03 PM
GOOONERS!!!!
Title: Re: Only at whiney Arsenal this could happen!
Post by: SOBRIQUET on April 17, 2008, 03:27:36 PM
whiney arsenal?? who's whining?  the guy needed a break and got it...end of story...things must be boring with other clubs because mofos ent have nutten better to do than mind arsenal business...

c'mon man...we already know which team have the original voyeurs.... ;)
Title: Re: Only at whiney Arsenal this could happen!
Post by: giggsy11 on April 17, 2008, 03:50:51 PM
whiney arsenal?? who's whining?  the guy needed a break and got it...end of story...things must be boring with other clubs because mofos ent have nutten better to do than mind arsenal business...

c'mon man...we already know which team have the original voyeurs.... ;)


You should post the clip of Arsene9 in Jose bedroom from 'I am Setanta'. If I knew how to pull of Youtube I would. Funnny sh!te!
Title: Re: Only at whiney Arsenal this could happen!
Post by: dumpalewie on April 17, 2008, 07:32:54 PM
whiney arsenal?? who's whining?  the guy needed a break and got it...end of story...things must be boring with other clubs because mofos ent have nutten better to do than mind arsenal business...

c'mon man...we already know which team have the original voyeurs.... ;)
Come on man mind Chelsea business nah and stop scouring the internet for Arsenal news!!!
Title: Re: Only at whiney Arsenal this could happen!
Post by: SOBRIQUET on April 17, 2008, 08:32:54 PM
whiney arsenal?? who's whining?  the guy needed a break and got it...end of story...things must be boring with other clubs because mofos ent have nutten better to do than mind arsenal business...

c'mon man...we already know which team have the original voyeurs.... ;)


You should post the clip of Arsene9 in Jose bedroom from 'I am Setanta'. If I knew how to pull of Youtube I would. Funnny sh!te!

as you requested giggsy........
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yc5lhChg9m8
Title: Re: Only at whiney Arsenal this could happen!
Post by: giggsy11 on April 17, 2008, 09:14:21 PM
whiney arsenal?? who's whining?  the guy needed a break and got it...end of story...things must be boring with other clubs because mofos ent have nutten better to do than mind arsenal business...

c'mon man...we already know which team have the original voyeurs.... ;)


You should post the clip of Arsene9 in Jose bedroom from 'I am Setanta'. If I knew how to pull of Youtube I would. Funnny sh!te!

as you requested giggsy........
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yc5lhChg9m8

Thanks dred! Brilliant stuff, Jose is alive and well in England.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 18, 2008, 11:14:17 AM
Arsenal style earns scant reward 


By David Ornstein 


On 11 February, Arsenal sat at the top of the Premier League with a five-point lead over Manchester United, while Chelsea were a further three points adrift.

And the Gunners had got there in style.

But nine weeks later, only the sense of style remains. Arsenal's lead has turned into a nine-point deficit and their 2-1 loss at Manchester United on Sunday has taken Sir Alex Ferguson's side to the brink of the title.

 606: DEBATE
Wenger is a staunch believer in the notion that a football team embodies its manager - and Arsenal have come up short this season

BBC Sport's David Ornstein

And in the Champions League, the delight which followed Arsenal's superb victory over AC Milan has long since given way to the pain of their quarter-final defeat by Liverpool.

Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger believes a combination of bad luck, poor refereeing decisions and injuries are to blame.

But is Wenger's judgement beginning to look a little impaired after three seasons without a trophy? And what needs to be done to prevent the barren spell continuing?


HOW HAS A FIVE-POINT LEAD TURNED INTO A NINE-POINT DEFICIT?
When Thierry Henry, then Arsenal's talismanic captain, was sold to Barcelona in the summer of 2007, few gave Wenger's young charges any hope of challenging for major honours.

But the low expectations appeared to lift any pressure.

Emmanuel Adebayor and Robin van Persie filled the void left by Henry in attack, and a run of 15 wins and two draws in all competitions had the purists purring and Arsenal in control.

 
Eduardo had contributed 12 goals before his horrific injury

But a 5-1 drubbing by Tottenham in the Carling Cup semi-final second-leg in January hinted at problems - not least when Adebayor and 20-year-old Nicklas Bendtner were involved in an ugly on-field confrontation.

Admittedly, Arsenal had fielded a weakened side but a heavy defeat by such bitter rivals seemed to have a significant impact.

Wenger named another under-strength team to face Man Utd away in the FA Cup, and saw his side soundly thrashed 4-0. Although Wenger claimed that the domestic cups were not Arsenal's priority, serious damage was done.

If that setback was mainly psychological, there was, sadly, physical damage to come when in-form striker Eduardo da Silva suffered a broken leg at Birmingham.

The Gunners were clearly shaken by the horrific injury and squandered a number of glorious opportunities before conceding an equaliser at the death to draw 2-2 at St Andrews.

It was a turning point in the season. Arsenal have won just two of their last 13 games in all competitions since.

They have seen leads turn into draws or defeats on five of those occasions and struggled against teams they had were expected to beat such as Aston Villa, Wigan and Middlesbrough.


IS THE SQUAD STRONG ENOUGH?
There is no doubt Arsenal have suffered injury problems.

Van Persie and Tomas Rosicky have been out for most of the season, and when Eduardo also got injured there was little back-up for Arsenal's forward line.

The previously excellent Adebayor began to tire, Bendtner has failed to really convince he has enough quality, while Theo Walcott has been preferred as an impact substitute.

So should Arsenal have been in the market for Nicolas Anelka, who joined Chelsea for £15m from Bolton in January?

 
Bendtner (left) and Adebayor's square up at Tottenham

At the back, Arsenal developed a deep vulnerability. Losing the excellent Bacary Sagna to injury was a blow, but did Wenger make the right decision in moving Kolo Toure from centre-back to right-back?

Philippe Senderos came in to the centre, and he has suffered a torrid time.

Then Arsenal lost Mathieu Flamini, arguably Arsenal's most consistent performer, when he picked up an injury during the Champions League quarter-final second-leg at Anfield.

He was replaced by Gilberto Silva, but the Brazilian looks a shadow of the player he was last season, and is almost certain to leave in the summer.

Cesc Fabregas has appeared burdened by expectation and workload, and in need of a rest. But again, it seemed there was no suitable replacement, so the youngster was forced to play on.

Rather than enhancing his squad in January, Wenger actually reduced the numbers by agreeing to let highly rated midfielder Lassana Diarra, signed from Chelsea the previous summer, leave for Portsmouth.

Wenger insisted his squad was strong enough to maintain its challenge for silverware but results have proved him wrong.

The Frenchman is adamant he will sign only one experienced player before next season gets underway, despite pressure from supporters and the media to bring in new faces.

Can that really be enough?


MIGHT ARSENAL LOSE KEY PLAYERS THIS SUMMER?
The 38-year-old Jens Lehmann is no longer the first-choice keeper and has repeatedly criticised rival Manuel Almunia in public. Having almost rejoined Borussia Dortmund in January and recently spoken out against Wenger, he is widely expected to leave.

 
Lehmann could be on his way out of Arsenal

Senderos is error-prone and his performance against Liverpool in the Champions League is reported to have left him in tears and unable to take his place in the squad for Old Trafford.

The all-important Fabregas, still just 20, is set to be keenly pursued by both Real Madrid and Barcelona this summer but he is tied to a long-term contract. Arsenal are sure to refuse all approaches.

Having allegedly met Inter Milan officials the day before Arsenal's win against AC Milan, midfielder Alexander Hleb is said to be a serious target for the Italian giants, while Flamini's contract expires in the summer.

The aging Lehmann and Gilberto aside, the loss of any of these players would pose a massive problem for Wenger.

And who is to say they may not be tempted to ply their trade at another club, even if it might mean playing a slightly less beautiful game?

Van Persie has gone on record as saying "we are like 11 actors, we have to give enjoyment to people buying a ticket".

But some of his team-mates may rate silverware more highly.


HAS WENGER GOT KEY DECISIONS WRONG?
Wenger has conceded he probably should have made signings in January, and it is fair to say that no-one could have foreseen Arsenal's injury crisis.

But, along with the Wenger's questionable deployment of Toure at full-back, some may feel he has erred in his selection of Gallas as captain.

The French international has sometimes fallen short of being a leader, most notably when he abandoned his team-mates to sit in the Birmingham half when his side faced a penalty. After the same match, he refused to leave the pitch.

 
Gallas's captaincy of Arsenal has been called into question

Gallas also claimed he has no friends at the club and he certainly won few among the fans for his display on a day when Arsenal's youngsters were desperate for guidance.

Wenger says a team is modelled in its manager's image. And there is much to admire - the flair, ability and their commendable commitment to attacking football.

But are they - and ultimately Wenger - sometimes psychologically fragile and prone to being overwhelmed by a sense of injustice?

Yes, there have been dubious penalty decisions which went against Arsenal in the Champions League, plus a lengthy injury list.

The line between success and failure can be very fine indeed. But perhaps cracks have appeared at Arsenal that need more than papering over.

And maybe - in contrast to Wenger's opinion, and despite the side's many moments of brilliance - this current crop at Arsenal are actually just not quite good enough.


and he's probably right

spend d money arsne!

bring on reading! our last home game of the season lets give the fans a show of the team they have loved and supported so heartbreakingly long

 
Title: Re: Only at whiney Arsenal this could happen!
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 18, 2008, 11:33:25 AM
yes gunnerstunner, ah firing shot at yuh team again.........this same shit happen with Sol Campbell, when Arsene throw him under the bus, then he was shipped out soon after... Why not just allow the men them to play the next game, or be with their teamates on the bench, so they could help him get over it? deal with it as a TEAM.... giving them "time to think" only singles them out and villifies them even more with the fans..... but don't worry, ah dun know yuh go side with yuh daddy Wenger, so doe even bother to respond  ;)

http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/8043344/Senderos-needed-time-to-reflect

Philippe Senderos was given time off in order to recover from the mental blow of Arsenal's UEFA Champions League exit, according to his father.

The Gunners departed the Champions League at the quarter-final stage after they suffered a 5-3 aggregate defeat to Liverpool.
 
Senderos was criticised, by some, after he failed to mark Sami Hyypia and was easily turned by Fernando Torres during Liverpool's 4-2 triumph in the second leg at Anfield.

Alexandre Song was then a surprise replacement for the Switzerland international for last Sunday's 2-1 defeat to rivals Manchester United.

And Senderos' father, Julien, has confirmed that his son needed time to recuperate following Arsenal's European exit.

"Philippe has been on the phone to us every day for the last few days," he said in the Daily Mail.

"He was not feeling too good after Arsenal went out of the Champions League.

"Arsene Wenger gave him Sunday and Monday off so he could clear his mind and he has done that.

"But it's not the case that he is suffering from depression."


riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

so mourihno n fergie n redknap n sven n cappello et al never bench ah man for playing shit ?

to get his head right? ever wondered if he asked for the time? ever wonder why they have a profession called sports pschology?

ever wondered if biggie was killed before tu pac who would be more famous?

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 19, 2008, 07:38:09 AM
almost time

arsenal 2-0 reading

all over them and still nto converting enough chances

hope wenger wuk we ass over ummer on finishing

and i hope by 2009 we see eduardo on d pitch again
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 22, 2008, 09:50:58 AM
Hleb charged with violent conduct during reading game, the incident was nto seen by the referee during the gam ebut was reviewed after and the ref agreed he would have been sent off had it been seen.

loverly just loverly

well we better buss derby 10-0 then everton then sunderland. man i feel i could make a movie about this season and call it we are arsenal
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on April 23, 2008, 09:26:59 AM
heard flamini is on his way to juve and that he signed a precontract agreement. any word on that?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on April 23, 2008, 10:34:58 AM
For all the talk about youth policy and building squad from the future, Arsenal could lose Flamini to juventus, Hleb to inter or barcelona and Walcott also not sounding too happy lately and its rumored Senderos could be shipped off to San Juan Jabloteh..

but under all seriousness..

yesterday there was an article with gallas begging for players to stick around.

nothing is guaranteed in the world of football..

Tell Wenger to spend some money and live in the now!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Daft Trini on April 23, 2008, 11:16:09 AM
For all the talk about youth policy and building squad from the future, Arsenal could lose Flamini to juventus, Hleb to inter or barcelona and Walcott also not sounding too happy lately and its rumored Senderos could be shipped off to San Juan Jabloteh..

but under all seriousness..

yesterday there was an article with gallas begging for players to stick around.

nothing is guaranteed in the world of football..

Tell Wenger to spend some money and live in the now!

Rumors is that Henry wants to move back to London.  ???
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 28, 2008, 07:24:56 AM
For all the talk about youth policy and building squad from the future, Arsenal could lose Flamini to juventus, Hleb to inter or barcelona and Walcott also not sounding too happy lately and its rumored Senderos could be shipped off to San Juan Jabloteh..

but under all seriousness..

yesterday there was an article with gallas begging for players to stick around.

nothing is guaranteed in the world of football..

Tell Wenger to spend some money and live in the now!

Rumors is that Henry wants to move back to London.  ???

holding my breath until thursday by then we will know if flamini stays

however i still believe in my manager and his decisions, i want him to buy experience this summer.

if helb n flamini they will definatley got fo rmore than we paid for them thus adding more to the war chest that has been available to wenger for the last few years.

bbc.com says it is still mathmatically possible for arsenal to win but would require manu and chelski to loose both thier last games, and arsenal win thiers, highly unlikely.

but who knows, if spurs developed the shits on the last day of the season to block out arsenal from champs league spot maybe some voodoo migth be inorder

ps thanks chelsea for bringing manu crashing back to earth, but blame newcastle for handing manu 10 goals this season
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Jayerson on April 28, 2008, 08:12:10 AM
For all the talk about youth policy and building squad from the future, Arsenal could lose Flamini to juventus, Hleb to inter or barcelona and Walcott also not sounding too happy lately and its rumored Senderos could be shipped off to San Juan Jabloteh..

but under all seriousness..

yesterday there was an article with gallas begging for players to stick around.

nothing is guaranteed in the world of football..

Tell Wenger to spend some money and live in the now!

Rumors is that Henry wants to move back to London.  ???

holding my breath until thursday by then we will know if flamini stays

however i still believe in my manager and his decisions, i want him to buy experience this summer.

if helb n flamini they will definatley got fo rmore than we paid for them thus adding more to the war chest that has been available to wenger for the last few years.

bbc.com says it is still mathmatically possible for arsenal to win but would require manu and chelski to loose both thier last games, and arsenal win thiers, highly unlikely.

but who knows, if spurs developed the shits on the last day of the season to block out arsenal from champs league spot maybe some voodoo migth be inorder

ps thanks chelsea for bringing manu crashing back to earth, but blame newcastle for handing manu 10 goals this season


We can only dream. Lol. Ver, very unlikely. If Chelsea draws bothe their games and Man Utd draw and lose, we can take it. Very unlikey. Man Utd has always been able to bounce back everytime they've had a set back. I expect much of the same.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Diambars on April 28, 2008, 08:32:45 AM
Arsenal is really class when compared to the likes of Manchester United.  Manu behaviour last week is unacceptable and they should be severly punished before the next game.  They will now go on to lose the CL and the BPL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on April 28, 2008, 12:10:12 PM
This Wenger is a real joker..

he want to keep Flamini, but telling him quote, "we would hope he doesnt go to a new club for a few bucks more'.

de man establish himself in the side as a critical element, did everything and more.

show him the money!

all this talk about financial policy and structure.. man must stay in arsenal for what? to play some small touch football and collect small pay only to get either 1 yr contract or ditched on your 30th birthday?? All this while the cheap ass ownership rake in the money for deyself?

oh bout stay and be part of something special. so what Arsenal is the only team that could offer something special in football? steups

I hope Flamini, Hleb and Gilberto Silva buss it sooner than later.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on April 28, 2008, 04:47:27 PM
if helb n flamini they will definatley got fo rmore than we paid for them thus adding more to the war chest that has been available to wenger for the last few years.

wouldnt flamini be leaving for free? his contract is up.
and from what i read, arsenal would probably get less for hleb than they paid for him.

Quoted from: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/arsenals-flamini-set-for-milan-as-hleb-mulls-inter-move-816695.html

Hleb, who is 27 next month, has been offered an impressive four-year deal by Inter, but will hold talks with Arsenal this week. He is understood to be concerned that, after so much promise this season, it is now the third campaign in a row that Arsenal have failed to win a trophy. Much to Wenger's annoyance, the Italian champions have openly declared their interest in the Belarussian who joined Arsenal from Stuttgart in July 2005. He has two years left on his present deal but article 17 of FIFA regulations would allow him to leave for a fixed fee, likely to be significantly less than the £11.2m Arsenal paid for him.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: elan on April 28, 2008, 07:11:14 PM
Derby 2-6 Arsenal: Joy of six for Gunners

Substitute Emmanuel Adebayor struck his second hat-trick against Derby this season as Arsenal ran riot in the 6-2 victory at Pride Park.
The Gunners, 5-0 winners at The Emirates earlier in the season, made sure of third spot with a rousing second-half performance against the relegated Rams, who moved a step closer to being named the Premier League's worst ever side.

Arsene Wenger's side could count themselves fortunate to lead 2-1 at the break after goals from Nicklas Bendtner and Robin van Persie either side of a Jay McEveley effort.

• Wenger - Adebayor is class

Theo Walcott was on target too, but the second half belonged to their Togo international who struck three times to take his season's tally to 30, with Rob Earnshaw grabbing a consolation in this eight-goal thriller.

Wenger handed a first league start to goalkeeper Lukasz Fabianski, while Denilson, Bendtner and Emmanuel Eboue were all drafted in.

Paul Jewell made changes of his own, recalling McEveley, Emanuel Villa and Darren Moore as he went in search of a maiden league win as Rams boss.

A heavy downpour prior to kick-off seemed certain to play into the visitors' hands, adding extra zip to the Pride Park pitch.

But it was not to be the case as the relegated Rams, now 30 league games without a victory, began the more purposefully.

New assistant boss Chris Hutchings had insisted upon his arrival that a win was his one and only objective between now and the end of the campaign, and County were certainly setting about giving him what he wanted.

Villa only just failed to connect with Tyrone Mears' inviting low cross before Mile Sterjovski's drive took a major deflection off Alex Song beyond the wrong-footed Fabianski, only for the ball to creep past the right post.

It was hardly the start Wenger would have hoped for as the Gunners struggled to find their rhythm and they could count themselves fortunate when Villa's bullet header flew just over.

But the Rams paid for their profligacy in the 25th minute when Moore's mistake gave the ball to Bendtner, who played a one-two with Van Persie, before coolly slotting the ball into the left corner.

And soon Derby had the equaliser they deserved.

Robbie Savage's inswinging free-kick landed on the six-yard line and McEveley reacted first to hook home.

Fabregas extended Carroll with a ferocious shot from the edge of the area and the ball was cleared.

But the defensive deficiencies that have blighted Jewell's side were apparent again when Van Persie had all the time in the world to chest down Kolo Toure's floated pass and volley home in style.

It was a goal which had all the hallmarks of his compatriot, Gunners legend Dennis Bergkamp.

The goal proved to be the striker's final telling act of the game as he was replaced by Adebayor after the break.

Derby's brave first-half performance appeared to have taken its toll as the Gunners' pace and movement began to stretch tiring legs.

Twice Toure, again playing at right-back, fired over, the second opportunity created by Fabregas' brilliant backheel.

Again the Rams had Carroll to thank in the 58th minute when he saved superbly with his feet from Adebayor.

But there was nothing he could do to deny the Togo international a minute later.

Walcott took full advantage of Stubbs' slip to cut the ball back to Eboue, who gave Adebayor the simplest of finishes.

Walcott should have made it four when he was slid through by Bendtner but the teenager's indifferent finishing was again apparent as he fired wide.

By now it was looking all too easy for the Gunners as they toyed with home side, creating chances at will.

But the Rams reduced the deficit to just a single goal with effectively their first attack of the second period, substitute Rob Earnshaw opening his right foot up to stroke beyond Fabianski.

Yet within a minute the two-goal cushion was restored, Gael Clichy pinging a pinpoint pass to Walcott wide on the left before the youngster cut inside and curled into the top-right corner.

Adebayor grabbed another poacher's goal, sliding to convert another Clichy assist with 10 minutes remaining before he wrapped up his hat-trick from an acute angle in added time.



Wenger - Adebayor is class
Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger hailed the heroics of hat-trick hero Emmanuel Adebayor - and then admitted he would have been happy had the striker scored half of this season's goal tally.

Asked if he expected the forward to reach the 30-goal barrier, Wenger replied: 'No, but I feel in this team you can score goals.


'You will always get good service, it is not only down to the strikers. Everybody tries to make life easier for the strikers.'

And after acknowledging he had anticipated around 15 goals from his leading marksman, he added: 'I think he took advantage of the work the team had done in the first half, it was easier. We know he can score goals, he has now scored 24 (in the league) but Van Persie played well and (Nicklas) Bendtner played well as well.'



The Gunners duo were both on target in the first half, their efforts sandwiched in between a rare strike from Jay McEveley.


Van Persie's goal had all the hallmarks of his former Arsenal team-mate and fellow Dutchman Dennis Bergkamp as he chested Kolo Toure's floated pass and sent a ferocious volley beyond Roy Carroll.
At that stage, a result still appeared within the Rams' grasp after an impressive first-half display.

But Adebayor's three-goal salvo and brilliant curling effort from Theo Walcott ensured their winless streak was stretched to 30 league games.

And Wenger insists his side, who led the league for six months of the campaign, are stronger than when they began the season.

'This team for me has a good future,' he added. 'We have 77 points tonight and we wanted to win our three games remaining this season.

'For me the team has grown and we're now stronger than we were at the start of the season but we went through a difficult patch in March and we have paid for that.'



The wait for a league win for Paul Jewell continues but it is unlikely the Rams boss would have expected it to come tonight.
And he admitted his tiring team, who have now conceded 82 times in 36 games, stood no chance when the Gunners raised the bar in the second half.

'The lads had put so much effort into the first half they were out on their feet and there's not a worse team to be playing when you are like that,' he said.



'Arsene has just said to me then when his team play like that he would hate to play them. When they play like that they are unstoppable.'
However, he insists it is not their performances against the Gunners - against whom they have conceded 11 times this season - which have cost them.

'We can't be judged against Arsenal, our season was well and truly decided before we played Arsenal,' he added.

'Their quality shows in their substitutions. They brought on a World Cup winner (Gilberto), one of the best players in Europe, if not the world (Adebayor) and a player who would command millions of pounds in the transfer market (Johan Djourou).

'We can't compare apples with apples at the moment.'
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: JDB on April 28, 2008, 07:58:51 PM
if helb n flamini they will definatley got fo rmore than we paid for them thus adding more to the war chest that has been available to wenger for the last few years.

wouldnt flamini be leaving for free? his contract is up.
and from what i read, arsenal would probably get less for hleb than they paid for him.

Correct on both counts, Gunnerstunner misinformed as usual.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: SOBRIQUET on April 28, 2008, 08:10:52 PM
if helb n flamini they will definatley got fo rmore than we paid for them thus adding more to the war chest that has been available to wenger for the last few years.

wouldnt flamini be leaving for free? his contract is up.
and from what i read, arsenal would probably get less for hleb than they paid for him.

Correct on both counts, Gunnerstunner misinformed as usual.

bump-yuh-gummer-stunner strikes again......
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 29, 2008, 11:42:04 AM
if helb n flamini they will definatley got fo rmore than we paid for them thus adding more to the war chest that has been available to wenger for the last few years.

wouldnt flamini be leaving for free? his contract is up.
and from what i read, arsenal would probably get less for hleb than they paid for him.

Correct on both counts, Gunnerstunner misinformed as usual.

bump-yuh-gummer-stunner strikes again......

will double check the flamini thing but we would never sell a key player for less than we got him for. Hleb definatley not going for less especially IF to italy they love to pay plenty for players.

itching to see who we get if flamini goes

and van persie seems to be getting his touch back.

btw who is prem top scorer now?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on April 29, 2008, 04:38:51 PM
if helb n flamini they will definatley got fo rmore than we paid for them thus adding more to the war chest that has been available to wenger for the last few years.

wouldnt flamini be leaving for free? his contract is up.
and from what i read, arsenal would probably get less for hleb than they paid for him.

Correct on both counts, Gunnerstunner misinformed as usual.

bump-yuh-gummer-stunner strikes again......

will double check the flamini thing but we would never sell a key player for less than we got him for. Hleb definatley not going for less especially IF to italy they love to pay plenty for players.

itching to see who we get if flamini goes

and van persie seems to be getting his touch back.

btw who is prem top scorer now?

Ronaldo is the prem top scorer.

I had this in my last post. From your response on Hleb, I'm guessing you didn't see it.

Quoted from: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/arsenals-flamini-set-for-milan-as-hleb-mulls-inter-move-816695.html

Hleb, who is 27 next month, has been offered an impressive four-year deal by Inter, but will hold talks with Arsenal this week. He is understood to be concerned that, after so much promise this season, it is now the third campaign in a row that Arsenal have failed to win a trophy. Much to Wenger's annoyance, the Italian champions have openly declared their interest in the Belarussian who joined Arsenal from Stuttgart in July 2005. He has two years left on his present deal but article 17 of FIFA regulations would allow him to leave for a fixed fee, likely to be significantly less than the £11.2m Arsenal paid for him.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 30, 2008, 03:23:51 PM
if helb n flamini they will definatley got fo rmore than we paid for them thus adding more to the war chest that has been available to wenger for the last few years.

wouldnt flamini be leaving for free? his contract is up.
and from what i read, arsenal would probably get less for hleb than they paid for him.

Correct on both counts, Gunnerstunner misinformed as usual.

bump-yuh-gummer-stunner strikes again......

will double check the flamini thing but we would never sell a key player for less than we got him for. Hleb definatley not going for less especially IF to italy they love to pay plenty for players.

itching to see who we get if flamini goes

and van persie seems to be getting his touch back.

btw who is prem top scorer now?

Ronaldo is the prem top scorer.

I had this in my last post. From your response on Hleb, I'm guessing you didn't see it.

Quoted from: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/arsenals-flamini-set-for-milan-as-hleb-mulls-inter-move-816695.html

Hleb, who is 27 next month, has been offered an impressive four-year deal by Inter, but will hold talks with Arsenal this week. He is understood to be concerned that, after so much promise this season, it is now the third campaign in a row that Arsenal have failed to win a trophy. Much to Wenger's annoyance, the Italian champions have openly declared their interest in the Belarussian who joined Arsenal from Stuttgart in July 2005. He has two years left on his present deal but article 17 of FIFA regulations would allow him to leave for a fixed fee, likely to be significantly less than the £11.2m Arsenal paid for him.



nope didnt see it

i hope wenger has chosen men of character as he has in the past, campbell and lauren left because of the one year deal after 30 wenger instills (i'd take that right now)
cashley cole left for money end of story, thierry left for pastures new not greener, some may say hopfully silver pastures, gilberto wil go for playing time and age, flamini, well dare i say if we off load gallas, helb n flamini will stay, stil think letting diarra go was absolute f**kery
well here's to the next two games, praying a voodoo play on man u and chelsea, and they graciously hand it to us, i am sure both teams wil have thier eyes on the champs league especially chelsea as they have never reached the final
and lord fadder let wenger spend spend spend spend spend spend, i say a quality center back, solid midfeilder, better striker, to replace eduardo till he's back, and shithound bendtner who has woefully underperfromed this season bar goals at liverpool and spurs.

chirstal mighty this season should have proven things to wenger, that although great things may come to this team we need a stronger bench and open the farking coffers.
all while maintaining club policy and standards.

GOONERS!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: takenoprisoners on May 01, 2008, 08:47:56 AM
NEW LOOK? ... Gunners shirt

(http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00479/arsenal_280x390_479496a.jpg)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 01, 2008, 09:10:20 AM
nice where yuh get dat?

it bring sback memoeries of the kit when wneger won the first double
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: takenoprisoners on May 01, 2008, 09:14:23 AM
nice where yuh get dat?

it bring sback memoeries of the kit when wneger won the first double


http://arsenalheat.blogspot.com/ :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 02, 2008, 11:56:44 AM
where d game being shown on sunday?

anyone?

live feeds beside bbc n skysports text updates
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on May 02, 2008, 11:59:11 AM
where d game being shown on sunday?

anyone?

live feeds beside bbc n skysports text updates


u still beating this dead horse?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 02, 2008, 12:05:33 PM
where d game being shown on sunday?

anyone?

live feeds beside bbc n skysports text updates


u still beating this dead horse?

sounds like you want the beating instead pal
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on May 02, 2008, 12:08:56 PM
why d f**k it have ah 18 pagew thread about Arsenal I will never know.

I eh know we does celebrate shit on the socawarriors forum.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 02, 2008, 12:22:28 PM
cus its for arsenal fans but the arsneal haters show themselves and its good to know who yuh enimies are
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 02, 2008, 12:41:34 PM
Arsène Wenger believes Arsenal must stick to their wage structure in order to safeguard the future of the Club.

With summer just around the corner, the manager knows there are contracts to be re-negotiated and signings to be made. However, despite the success of Emirates Stadium, the Club are many years from paying off the 'mortgage' on their new ground. Wenger has continually stated his summer aims are to keep his existing squad and add "one or two" new faces. But he will remain within budget.

At his pre-match press conference on Friday, the manager was asked if the Club could afford to keep a tight wage structure if they want to keep players or attract new ones.

“I would rather take it the other way," Wenger replied. "We cannot afford not to keep it. It is as simple as that.

"We have to respect that, despite what people say, we have £360 million debt [on Emirates Stadium].

"So we have to respect the wages structure or we will go bust. Therefore it is not that you cannot respect the wages structure, we cannot afford not to do it.”
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 02, 2008, 12:44:01 PM
Arsène Wenger has brushed off suggestions his Arsenal side may start to break up over the summer.

The team's failure to land a trophy this season coupled with the manager's intention to stick with an established wage structure has ventured some to suggest there could be exits from Emirates Stadium this summer.

"No, not at all," said Wenger in response. "We have have only one player who is free, that is Mathieu Flamini. He can go where he wants but he can as well stay.”

You can infer from that answer that the rest of the Arsenal squad have existing contracts and do not control their own destiny. The most speculation surrounds Alex Hleb, who is linked with a move to Inter.

“Alex Hleb has two years’ contract
," said Wenger unequivocally. "He is not for sale.”
Arsène Wenger had set the end of April as the deadline for the out-of-contract midfielder to decide his future. However "negotiation problems" have held up the process. Now, the Arsenal manager expects a resolution by Monday.

“It will be sorted out over the weekend," said Wenger. "Will he stay or not? That is down to him but the deadline is Sunday, Monday latest.

"The deadline moved for negotiation problems. Only he could tell you [whether he will go or not]. For me yes he stays, but does he tell me the complete truth, I don’t know.

"Ideally I want him to stay, but he’s free. That means if you get £2million here, £4 million somewhere else, you can go to the one who gives you four, or you can as well stay to the one who gives you two.

“He is free to make a decision and you have to accept the market. You listen to everybody in Europe and take some time, that’s why the situation has lasted a little bit. But overall he’s free to go where he wants. You have to accept that because he’s not linked by a contract.

Flamini has been superb for Arsenal this season but, although Wenger wants him to stay, the manager is confident that his side would cope if he did decide to go.

“[If he goes] we will find a solution, don’t worry," said the 58-year-old.



Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on May 04, 2008, 07:30:55 PM
so much for the famed policy of planning for the future..

Flamini set to sign, claim Milan

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/7383314.stm

AC Milan vice-president Adriano Galliani has claimed that Arsenal midfielder Mathieu Flamini is on the verge of signing for the Italian club.

"Flamini will arrive tonight in Milan and will sign a four-year contract," he said after Sunday's 2-1 win over Inter.

The French midfielder's contract with the Gunners expires at the end of this season - and manager Arsene Wenger has admitted he is wary Flamini will leave.

The 24-year-old is expected to undergo a medical at the San Siro on Monday.

Despite the offer of a new five-year deal from Arsenal, Flamini's future remains unresolved and both AC Milan and Juventus are reported to have been tracking the France international.

Following Arsenal's 1-0 win over Everton on Sunday, the Gunners' last home game of the season, Wenger conceded that he was not "super-confident" Flamini would still be with the club next season.

"Frankly, I don't know [if he is staying]," said Wenger.

"But if you ask me was I overall super-confident, I would say no. He has an offer on the table which is valid until tomorrow [Monday], then we will see.

"We have done what we had to do, it is now down to him to make a decision.

"My ideal solution is that he stays, so I am not happy if he goes - but we've done everything we can.

"We can't wait until July. You could lose players if they come on the market."

Meanwhile, Milan club owner Silvio Berlusconi has cast fresh doubt over the potential signing of Barcelona star Ronaldinho.

"I have always been doubtful over whether Ronaldinho is needed, at this point I really think we don't need him," he said.

The Italian club has agreed terms with the 28-year-old Brazilian playmaker but failed to settle on a mutually satisfactory transfer fee with Barcelona during preliminary talks.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: D.H.W on May 04, 2008, 07:35:30 PM
stueps this thread still existing
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 05, 2008, 10:10:14 AM
so much for the famed policy of planning for the future..

this does not erode nor debase  the policy at arsenal.

 it is one player whom after several years at arsenal finally became the player we always knew he could become, only to loose him to a big money deal that he himself would take. We prefer players who play for the love of the game rather than the money in the game, call us what you like, we do not bend for anyone. we will continue with our policy and in a few years our stadium is paid off and the continued profits will make us a force to be reckoned with.

 its not something we are happy about but i guarantee life goes on just as Thierry left.

trust me it just means theres an opening for anther similar or better player


Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 05, 2008, 10:11:54 AM
stueps this thread still existing

yup and will continue, but thanks for commenting and keeping it on the front page of the forum
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Peong on May 05, 2008, 10:54:57 AM
Milan confirmed the deal.

(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa133/peong21/10189_news.jpg)

Mathieu Flamini e il Milan: il suo primo contratto con il club rossonero partirà il 1' luglio 2008 con durata fino al 30 giugno 2012. Titolare dell'Arsenal, desiderato da grandi club di prima fascia, Flamini è del Milan.

MILANO - Il numero 16 dell'Arsenal, presente contro il Milan in Champions League fra febbraio e marzo sia all'Emirates Stadium che a San Siro, è a tutti gli effetti rossonero. Già Nazionale Under 21 in Francia, ha esordito nella Nazionale allenata da Raymond Domenech il 16 Novembre 2007 nell'amichevole tra Francia e Marocco, ed è molto probabile che venga convocato ad Euro 2008. Cresciuto nell' Olympique Marsiglia, Flamini ha esordito in prima squadra il 23 Dicembre 2003 in un match di Ligue 1 contro il Tolosa: qualche mese dopo dopo il trasferimento all'Arsenal, alla corte di Arsène Wenger, dove debutta in Premier League il 15 Agosto 2004 in Everton-Arsenal 1-4.

Tra le esperienze del neo-rossonero c'è già, chiara affinità elettiva con il suo nuovo Club, una finale di Champions League nel 2006, proprio in Francia, allo stadio parigino di Saint Denis: Barcellona-Arsenal 2-1. Il sito ufficiale dei Gunners lo definisce centrocampista eclettico e combattivo, mentre è notorio il grande interesse mostrato nei suoi confronti da parte di grandi società del calcio spagnolo. tedesco e italiano. Mathieu Flamini ha voluto in ogni caso tenere fede al suo principale orientamento, il Milan, ed è per questo che ieri sera è atterrato ai voli privati dell'Ata di Linate prima di recarsi nel centro di Milano per una puntata prima in albergo e poi al ristorante con i dirigenti rossoneri. Oggi le visite mediche: tutto ok.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on May 05, 2008, 10:59:42 AM
i don't get him wrong...

had the man riding bench for years, and then when he do get ah sweat park him at left back..

and then when he do come up trumps and show himself as an irreplaceable figure in the Arsenal midfield, Wenger cyah show him de money. Want to keep him on small paper probably to ditch him at age 30, and lecture man about 'what we have here at the club'.

See bout yuhself Mathieu..  :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on May 05, 2008, 11:05:25 AM
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y42/ongabonga/haha.gif)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Filho on May 05, 2008, 11:24:20 AM

We prefer players who play for the love of the game rather than the money in the game,


you don't really know if this is why he left. should he leave for less mone to 'prove' he plays for the love of the game?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: SOBRIQUET on May 05, 2008, 12:20:42 PM
The man gone to a bigger club for more money.  Why even a discussion about "love of game" and all that ass-ness.  So Milan players don't "love the game" as much as Arsenal men? Steupsssssssssss.  Arsenal continually losing young talent, because they don't want to pay the piper. Why not offer him money somewhere close to his market value (i.e. what many other teams are gladly willing to pay him).... TV rights going up, ticket prices, endorsements... But they have a policy that players salaries must remain stingily modest.  Hleb u next padna.... bigger club, chances to ACTUALLY win titles now, more money? Even a retarded 2 year old could make dat decision.....
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on May 05, 2008, 01:38:51 PM
The man gone to a bigger club for more money.  Why even a discussion about "love of game" and all that ass-ness.  So Milan players don't "love the game" as much as Arsenal men? Steupsssssssssss.  Arsenal continually losing young talent, because they don't want to pay the piper. Why not offer him money somewhere close to his market value (i.e. what many other teams are gladly willing to pay him).... TV rights going up, ticket prices, endorsements... But they have a policy that players salaries must remain stingily modest.  Hleb u next padna.... bigger club, chances to ACTUALLY win titles now, more money? Even a retarded 2 year old could make dat decision.....
Hush yuh ass!!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: SOBRIQUET on May 05, 2008, 02:00:56 PM
The man gone to a bigger club for more money.  Why even a discussion about "love of game" and all that ass-ness.  So Milan players don't "love the game" as much as Arsenal men? Steupsssssssssss.  Arsenal continually losing young talent, because they don't want to pay the piper. Why not offer him money somewhere close to his market value (i.e. what many other teams are gladly willing to pay him).... TV rights going up, ticket prices, endorsements... But they have a policy that players salaries must remain stingily modest.  Hleb u next padna.... bigger club, chances to ACTUALLY win titles now, more money? Even a retarded 2 year old could make dat decision.....
Hush yuh ass!!!!

loooooool.... thy's yuh answer horse? how allyuh arsenal men bitter so? lool
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Filho on May 05, 2008, 02:48:13 PM
does this mean that gattusso is leaving Milan for the EPL as rumored. Who will ride pine between the Gatt, Ambrosini and Flamini?

wish Flamini had come to Barca  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: JDB on May 05, 2008, 06:58:35 PM
we will continue with our policy and in a few years our stadium is paid off and the continued profits will make us a force to be reckoned with.

You real confused yes.

Earlier yuh was saying that Arsenal have money but Wenger don't want to spend it. Now they have a stadium to pay off and they trying to save money? Also I don't know what stadium gets paid off for in "a few years".
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 06, 2008, 12:15:53 PM
The man gone to a bigger club for more money.  Why even a discussion about "love of game" and all that ass-ness.  So Milan players don't "love the game" as much as Arsenal men? Steupsssssssssss.  Arsenal continually losing young talent, because they don't want to pay the piper. Why not offer him money somewhere close to his market value (i.e. what many other teams are gladly willing to pay him).... TV rights going up, ticket prices, endorsements... But they have a policy that players salaries must remain stingily modest.  Hleb u next padna.... bigger club, chances to ACTUALLY win titles now, more money? Even a retarded 2 year old could make dat decision.....

a greedy money hungry 2 year old
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 06, 2008, 12:21:27 PM
we will continue with our policy and in a few years our stadium is paid off and the continued profits will make us a force to be reckoned with.

You real confused yes.

Earlier yuh was saying that Arsenal have money but Wenger don't want to spend it. Now they have a stadium to pay off and they trying to save money? Also I don't know what stadium gets paid off for in "a few years".


how can you say i am confused? you must be huffing diesel, very simple, flamini came to us on a free, and ha snow left us on a free, wanted more money, we weren't prepared and never have been prepared to break the bank for any one player, nor will we pay more than what a player is really worth, fact remains gilberto was stand in captain last year when thierry was injured and lead from the front, you think any manager woulda drop the vice captian to appease a young French player, you always pick your best team.

disappointed he left but cesc stil there and i believe helb will be too, after gallas antics i would like to see him leave.

making room for some serious players as wenger said one or two, i hope he gets three plus young carlos vela is coming back to arsenal after out on loan in spain. good things to come from the youth ranks again.


Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on May 06, 2008, 12:35:48 PM
we will continue with our policy and in a few years our stadium is paid off and the continued profits will make us a force to be reckoned with.

You real confused yes.

Earlier yuh was saying that Arsenal have money but Wenger don't want to spend it. Now they have a stadium to pay off and they trying to save money? Also I don't know what stadium gets paid off for in "a few years".


how can you say i am confused? you must be huffing diesel, very simple, flamini came to us on a free, and ha snow left us on a free, wanted more money, we weren't prepared and never have been prepared to break the bank for any one player, nor will we pay more than what a player is really worth, fact remains gilberto was stand in captain last year when thierry was injured and lead from the front, you think any manager woulda drop the vice captian to appease a young French player, you always pick your best team.

disappointed he left but cesc stil there and i believe helb will be too, after gallas antics i would like to see him leave.

making room for some serious players as wenger said one or two, i hope he gets three plus young carlos vela is coming back to arsenal after out on loan in spain. good things to come from the youth ranks again.

I thought Gilberto was on his way out too ...

But when Henry left people said the squad was falling apart. A few months later people were saying the team was stronger without him.  Who cares what people are saying now? Flamini is leaving. Small thing. I'm already over it. The club will move on.

Not that he isn't a loss but Arsenal is overloaded in central midfield. Just as Flamini stepped up this season, next season we might see Diaby or Denilson rise. Wenger might go out and buy someone else. No reason for panic.

The areas Arsenal need to strengthen remain the same with or without Flamini.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: SOBRIQUET on May 06, 2008, 02:50:23 PM
The man gone to a bigger club for more money.  Why even a discussion about "love of game" and all that ass-ness.  So Milan players don't "love the game" as much as Arsenal men? Steupsssssssssss.  Arsenal continually losing young talent, because they don't want to pay the piper. Why not offer him money somewhere close to his market value (i.e. what many other teams are gladly willing to pay him).... TV rights going up, ticket prices, endorsements... But they have a policy that players salaries must remain stingily modest.  Hleb u next padna.... bigger club, chances to ACTUALLY win titles now, more money? Even a retarded 2 year old could make dat decision.....

a greedy money hungry 2 year old

so you at yuh job now gunner.... a bigger, more recognized firm swoop in for yuh.. offering much more money, a penthouse window office and a boss 401 K.. would you stay at your current company "for the love of the job?"  if yes....... u is a ass, and sorry for the inconvenience...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Peong on May 06, 2008, 02:54:16 PM
AC Milan is a football giant, Arsenal is a newcomer, end of story.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on May 06, 2008, 03:01:27 PM
interesting to watch how gunnerstunner morph from exhuberant fan to delusional hooligan during the 18 page course of this thread..
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Filho on May 06, 2008, 03:31:37 PM
we will continue with our policy and in a few years our stadium is paid off and the continued profits will make us a force to be reckoned with.

You real confused yes.

Earlier yuh was saying that Arsenal have money but Wenger don't want to spend it. Now they have a stadium to pay off and they trying to save money? Also I don't know what stadium gets paid off for in "a few years".


how can you say i am confused? you must be huffing diesel, very simple, flamini came to us on a free, and ha snow left us on a free, wanted more money, we weren't prepared and never have been prepared to break the bank for any one player, nor will we pay more than what a player is really worth, fact remains gilberto was stand in captain last year when thierry was injured and lead from the front, you think any manager woulda drop the vice captian to appease a young French player, you always pick your best team.

disappointed he left but cesc stil there and i believe helb will be too, after gallas antics i would like to see him leave.

making room for some serious players as wenger said one or two, i hope he gets three plus young carlos vela is coming back to arsenal after out on loan in spain. good things to come from the youth ranks again.


question: If Arsenal actually valued Flamini wouldn't they have either..1) extended his contract the season before he can walk for free. 2) sell him before he can walk for free and get some value from a young player who is leaving anyway. You will hardly ever hear of a valued 24 year old being able to walk for free. Flamini burned a lot of bridges to come to Arsenal. Maybe the club took it for granted that he wanted to be there and didn't make the moves necessary to keep his services. Gunner, can you fill me in with what happened there cuz I doh have the details and it sounds strange that a club that is as ruthless and business like as any has let such a young player slip away.

And why would you want Gallas to leave. Here is a man who burned a lot bridges to leave big money Chelsea that was touted to win everything to move to Arsenal so he could enjoy his football more and play in his preferred position. What were you saying earlier about love of the game? Surely you could forgive he man for a lapse in judgement when he so clearly fulfilled that important criteria.

And cut Flamini some slack. Is not like the man went Dubai or Saudi Arabia. He went to a bigger more successful club than Arsenal, so it obviously wasn't all about the money. Plus check the man last name. He gone back to the land of his forefathers  ;)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on May 06, 2008, 03:39:45 PM
we will continue with our policy and in a few years our stadium is paid off and the continued profits will make us a force to be reckoned with.

You real confused yes.

Earlier yuh was saying that Arsenal have money but Wenger don't want to spend it. Now they have a stadium to pay off and they trying to save money? Also I don't know what stadium gets paid off for in "a few years".


how can you say i am confused? you must be huffing diesel, very simple, flamini came to us on a free, and ha snow left us on a free, wanted more money, we weren't prepared and never have been prepared to break the bank for any one player, nor will we pay more than what a player is really worth, fact remains gilberto was stand in captain last year when thierry was injured and lead from the front, you think any manager woulda drop the vice captian to appease a young French player, you always pick your best team.

disappointed he left but cesc stil there and i believe helb will be too, after gallas antics i would like to see him leave.

making room for some serious players as wenger said one or two, i hope he gets three plus young carlos vela is coming back to arsenal after out on loan in spain. good things to come from the youth ranks again.


question: If Arsenal actually valued Flamini wouldn't they have either..1) extended his contract the season before he can walk for free. 2) sell him before he can walk for free and get some value from a young player who is leaving anyway. You will hardly ever hear of a valued 24 year old being able to walk for free. Flamini burned a lot of bridges to come to Arsenal. Maybe the club took it for granted that he wanted to be there and didn't make the moves necessary to keep his services. Gunner, can you fill me in with what happened there cuz I doh have the details and it sounds strange that a club that is as ruthless and business like as any has let such a young player slip away.

And why would you want Gallas to leave. Here is a man who burned a lot bridges to leave big money Chelsea that was touted to win everything to move to Arsenal so he could enjoy his football more and play in his preferred position. What were you saying earlier about love of the game? Surely you could forgive he man for a lapse in judgement when he so clearly fulfilled that important criteria.

And cut Flamini some slack. Is not like the man went Dubai or Saudi Arabia. He went to a bigger more successful club than Arsenal, so it obviously wasn't all about the money. Plus check the man last name. He gone back to the land of his forefathers  ;)

When teams like AC Milan & Real Madrid come to sign you the only question you ask is if there is ink in the pen. Lets face it!
So Flamini gorn, so it go. Henry went, Viera went, big clubs rule, it is the nature of football. Always was and always will be.
Then again with Arsenal is a matter of NEXT. Look how Fabregas step in when Viera left & Adebayor when Henry left.
So! NEXT!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 06, 2008, 05:45:47 PM
we will continue with our policy and in a few years our stadium is paid off and the continued profits will make us a force to be reckoned with.

You real confused yes.

Earlier yuh was saying that Arsenal have money but Wenger don't want to spend it. Now they have a stadium to pay off and they trying to save money? Also I don't know what stadium gets paid off for in "a few years".




how can you say i am confused? you must be huffing diesel, very simple, flamini came to us on a free, and ha snow left us on a free, wanted more money, we weren't prepared and never have been prepared to break the bank for any one player, nor will we pay more than what a player is really worth, fact remains gilberto was stand in captain last year when thierry was injured and lead from the front, you think any manager woulda drop the vice captian to appease a young French player, you always pick your best team.

disappointed he left but cesc stil there and i believe helb will be too, after gallas antics i would like to see him leave.

making room for some serious players as wenger said one or two, i hope he gets three plus young carlos vela is coming back to arsenal after out on loan in spain. good things to come from the youth ranks again.


question: If Arsenal actually valued Flamini wouldn't they have either..1) extended his contract the season before he can walk for free. 2) sell him before he can walk for free and get some value from a young player who is leaving anyway. You will hardly ever hear of a valued 24 year old being able to walk for free. Flamini burned a lot of bridges to come to Arsenal. Maybe the club took it for granted that he wanted to be there and didn't make the moves necessary to keep his services. Gunner, can you fill me in with what happened there cuz I doh have the details and it sounds strange that a club that is as ruthless and business like as any has let such a young player slip away.

And why would you want Gallas to leave. Here is a man who burned a lot bridges to leave big money Chelsea that was touted to win everything to move to Arsenal so he could enjoy his football more and play in his preferred position. What were you saying earlier about love of the game? Surely you could forgive he man for a lapse in judgement when he so clearly fulfilled that important criteria.

And cut Flamini some slack. Is not like the man went Dubai or Saudi Arabia. He went to a bigger more successful club than Arsenal, so it obviously wasn't all about the money. Plus check the man last name. He gone back to the land of his forefathers  ;)

When teams like AC Milan & Real Madrid come to sign you the only question you ask is if there is ink in the pen. Lets face it!
So Flamini gorn, so it go. Henry went, Viera went, big clubs rule, it is the nature of football. Always was and always will be.
Then again with Arsenal is a matter of NEXT. Look how Fabregas step in when Viera left & Adebayor when Henry left.
So! NEXT!



yeah i next season too we go win it

and SOBRIQUET, one is not an ass for having morals and sticking to them, nto liek he was starving for a start or food the spanish have a saying "pan y football"

bread and football and they don't mean dinero
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dotless007 on May 06, 2008, 06:13:54 PM
next season yall goin to win it....isnt this wat u sed at the beginnin of last season.....goat mouth? lol
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Peong on May 06, 2008, 07:27:01 PM
and SOBRIQUET, one is not an ass for having morals and sticking to them, nto liek he was starving for a start or food the spanish have a saying "pan y football"

That is a stupid argument.
If you so believe in dat sayin then yuh should be vex anytime a player transfer to Arsenal because they damn sure was gettin paid and playin wherever they were before.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Filho on May 06, 2008, 07:31:38 PM



yeah i next season too we go win it

and SOBRIQUET, one is not an ass for having morals and sticking to them, nto liek he was starving for a start or food the spanish have a saying "pan y football"

bread and football and they don't mean dinero
Quote

what morals? How many Arsenal players actually started their career at the youth academy? Most of the senior team was poached from others clubs and they sure ain't making less money at Arsenal than where they were before (Gallas excluded  :devil:). Do you feel sympathy for clubs like Barca and Marseille when Arsenal snaps up their youth prodigies like Fabregas and Flamini by getting them to sign pro contracts before they can sign one in their homeland. Do you say we don't want these players..they have no morals for leaving the teams that nurtured them. By your standards, your team is rife with money grubbing mercenaries? What good for the goose, good for the gander and morals have nutten to do with it. Arsenal is a club and a business and as long as Flamini is the best player for his position that they can attain, they will talk up loyalty and all the rest of bs, but at the end of the day he is expendable when someone better comes along. Clubs have no allegiance to players breds. Thought you'd know that. That is only talk for players who extremely good/marketable and or have plenty potential. Flamini buss his tail for Arsenal always giving 110%. Arsenal fans should be thanking him for being such a good servant for the four years he was there.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Feliziano on May 06, 2008, 09:17:09 PM
didn't Wenger say at the start of the season that Flamini ent in his plans?
i think he end up in the side becuase Gilberto get outta favor after Copa America.

or am I thinking bout the previous season?

anyway my point is that the fellas was not wanted then he showed what he could do and then jackass Wenger still couldn't do a deal in order to make him stay especially after seeing how well the team played with him in it.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on May 07, 2008, 02:12:31 PM
we will continue with our policy and in a few years our stadium is paid off and the continued profits will make us a force to be reckoned with.

You real confused yes.

Earlier yuh was saying that Arsenal have money but Wenger don't want to spend it. Now they have a stadium to pay off and they trying to save money? Also I don't know what stadium gets paid off for in "a few years".


First post on the board, don't kill me today

JDB,

It is stated by the Arsenal Board that they will be debt free by the end of 2009. Arsenal's debt was around 400 Mil, they got 100 M upfront from the stadium naming rights, 50 M upfront from Nike.
They auctioned off parts of Highbury, and are building apartment homes on the site ... I think they're calling it Highbury Square. Anyway, those are probably all sold by now but they won't get the money until they're complete, they will sell for 250 Mil minimum. So they're also into property development.
That's good business right there.
See how a 60,000 seat top of the line stadium can be paid off in "a few years"?

Debt free, no foreign investor. Unlike the other top clubs in England who cannot break even in the near future.

Flamini left for money, can't really blame him for that. It will always happen when Milan and Real knock at the door.
Arsenal got him on a free, he left on a free. We didn't really value him until this year, Wenger tried to sell him last year.
I think Flamini's agent said to him .. "You can go to portsmouth now, or play your a$$ off next season and leave on a free to a top club for top money."
Arsenal offered 55,000 a week, take it or leave it.
The bigger picture is that we let Diarra leave to Portsmouth in January, he was upset at not playing because of Flamini. Now they're both gone. Go figure.
There is Denilson (who captained Brazil at youth levels), Song, Diaby.
Wenger says he'll buy a CB, and a creative midfielder in the summer.
With a new CB, Toure can also slip into the DM role.


Hleb can invoke the Webster clause and buy out the rest of his contract and go to Inter, Arsene says Hleb is staying.


This summer is starting to look like last year, David Dein left, and Henry left.
So far this year, Keith Edelman left, and Flamini.
They got rid of Edelman because he did his job, now they want a more football-based Managing Director.

But somehow, Arsenal always come back strong, with buys like Sanga and Eduardo.
On that note, Eduardo is recovering well, in Brazil in Ronaldo's R9 clinic. He might be back in training sooner than expected.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on May 07, 2008, 02:19:03 PM
Look at the state of Liverpool's board and Chelsea and ManU's debt, and you can see why Arsenal is sacrificing a few cheap summers and empty trophy cabinet, in order to be self sufficient and break even by 2010.
What is suprising is that after selling Henry and actually making a PROFIT last summer in transfers, they're finishing 20 points above the year before, and 4 points off the top of the table.

Only one team can win the trophy, and this time on Sunday, either ManU or Chelsea fans will be feeling worse than an Arsenal fan
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on May 07, 2008, 02:35:37 PM
welcome to the board marylandtrini..

nice to see an objective minded arsenal fan in here for a change.

my question is, for how much longer do you think that strict adherance to the wage structure will be sustainable in the current climate of football?

You have a guy like Flamini who is 1) young.. 2) a lynchpin at the heart of your midfield... 3) playing in a position which is the hardest to fill in all of football.. defensive midfielder..  4) being coveted by the best clubs in europe.

Yet you offering this man a meagre 55k a week ???

that is pretty average by EPL standards, and a slap in the face.

If Arsenal are in such a favorable financial position as you claim in comparison to the other clubs around then they can sure as hell invest more money in the playing staff. There is a price to success even if it means pushing back their debt free ambitions a couple years. Whats gonna be the case when they're debt free anyway?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on May 07, 2008, 03:38:34 PM
Arsenal's wage structure is one thing that I don't agree with. I agree with a future salary cap of some sort because it's getting ridiculous, but Arsenal should be paying players their market wage. Loyalty to club is not enough anymore, especially with recruited players.

They're not in that favourable financial position as of yet, that 250 million from the Highbury sale hasn't come in yet.
After the debt is paid off,  Arsenal fans are hoping to see bigger transfers and higher salaries, because our budget will allow for it.

Think about this ... if something happens to Roman, or Liverpool's owners decides to cut their losses, what next?
They would become the next Leeds.

Theres an American, and Usmanov, both want ownership of AFC, but the board signed a lockdown agreement. I think thats the better way to go.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: SOBRIQUET on May 07, 2008, 04:57:14 PM
Arsenal's wage structure is one thing that I don't agree with. I agree with a future salary cap of some sort because it's getting ridiculous, but Arsenal should be paying players their market wage. Loyalty to club is not enough anymore, especially with recruited players.

They're not in that favourable financial position as of yet, that 250 million from the Highbury sale hasn't come in yet.
After the debt is paid off,  Arsenal fans are hoping to see bigger transfers and higher salaries, because our budget will allow for it.

Think about this ... if something happens to Roman, or Liverpool's owners decides to cut their losses, what next?
They would become the next Leeds.

Theres an American, and Usmanov, both want ownership of AFC, but the board signed a lockdown agreement. I think thats the better way to go.

your attempt at showing how and when Arsenal pays off the 350 million pound remaining debt is so laughable.  Even recent modest estimates from BBC show YEARS before it is seriously idented. Go read some facts (very simple using the net) come back and then we'll talk.  Cause right now it seems that you have not a grasp on how finances and such severe debt works. Arsenal will be strapped for years and years to come. "paid off by 2009" lol. come on maryland, come on...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on May 07, 2008, 06:14:54 PM
Arsenal's wage structure is one thing that I don't agree with. I agree with a future salary cap of some sort because it's getting ridiculous, but Arsenal should be paying players their market wage. Loyalty to club is not enough anymore, especially with recruited players.

They're not in that favourable financial position as of yet, that 250 million from the Highbury sale hasn't come in yet.
After the debt is paid off,  Arsenal fans are hoping to see bigger transfers and higher salaries, because our budget will allow for it.

Think about this ... if something happens to Roman, or Liverpool's owners decides to cut their losses, what next?
They would become the next Leeds.

Theres an American, and Usmanov, both want ownership of AFC, but the board signed a lockdown agreement. I think thats the better way to go.

your attempt at showing how and when Arsenal pays off the 350 million pound remaining debt is so laughable.  Even recent modest estimates from BBC show YEARS before it is seriously idented. Go read some facts (very simple using the net) come back and then we'll talk.  Cause right now it seems that you have not a grasp on how finances and such severe debt works. Arsenal will be strapped for years and years to come. "paid off by 2009" lol. come on maryland, come on...

According to the Arsenal board (who should know the facts), the debt will be paid off by the end of next year.
Like I said before, they are going to make at least 250 million from the Highbury Square apartments.
I think every loan can be paid off early.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 07, 2008, 06:21:47 PM
Arsenal's wage structure is one thing that I don't agree with. I agree with a future salary cap of some sort because it's getting ridiculous, but Arsenal should be paying players their market wage. Loyalty to club is not enough anymore, especially with recruited players.

They're not in that favourable financial position as of yet, that 250 million from the Highbury sale hasn't come in yet.
After the debt is paid off,  Arsenal fans are hoping to see bigger transfers and higher salaries, because our budget will allow for it.

Think about this ... if something happens to Roman, or Liverpool's owners decides to cut their losses, what next?
They would become the next Leeds.

Theres an American, and Usmanov, both want ownership of AFC, but the board signed a lockdown agreement. I think thats the better way to go.

your attempt at showing how and when Arsenal pays off the 350 million pound remaining debt is so laughable.  Even recent modest estimates from BBC show YEARS before it is seriously idented. Go read some facts (very simple using the net) come back and then we'll talk.  Cause right now it seems that you have not a grasp on how finances and such severe debt works. Arsenal will be strapped for years and years to come. "paid off by 2009" lol. come on maryland, come on...

come on hater come on, even if it take half way between what you are trying to say and what maryland has said, arsenal wil pick up soem silverware during that time so stop hating and start oh forget it keep hating its all your good at
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 09, 2008, 04:02:28 PM
If you believe all that you read, it seems that Europe's top clubs are picking at the carcass of an unsuccessful Arsenal season hoping to gobble up the most tasty morsels.
 
Mathieu Flamini has gone and, they say, Alex Hleb plus even Cesc Fabregas may follow.
 
But it was a perception rubbished by Arsène Wenger at his pre-match press conference on Friday. The Arsenal manager says the players who have gone already will be the only ones to depart and he has had calls from 220 players who want to join his side.
 
The Club could not stop Flamini agreeing to join Milan this week. The out-of-contract French midfielder was offered an attractive deal by Arsenal but chose to go to Italy. Jens Lehmann is also going because his deal also ends in the summer. However, according to Wenger, they will be the only players using the Emirates Stadium exit this season.
 
"Look, [apart from Lehmann] there is one player who is free," the 58-year-old. "He has already left. For me, 98 per cent of the squad will be here next season. And the two per cent have already gone.
 
"The rest are all under contract. If anybody wants to buy a player he has to call me. I can give you my number if you want because maybe some ignore that I have a phone.
 
"What is unbelievable is I’m sitting here [at the press conference and it is] like we have killed all the players. Yet when I go to my office I have 220 calls from players who want to come in."
 
It has been suggested that Hleb may employ the new Webster clause and buy out his own contract.
 
"That is not as simple as it looks," retorted Wenger. "And you should not forget that what players can do to us we can do to them.
 
"The Webster clause is not easy, you can't come in next day and buy out. There is no rule that says what it is all about.

"You have to go to a tribunal and then to FIFA and if you don't agree with FIFA [you] have to go to ACAS. It takes a lot of months. And you can be banned for the whole period if it is not done in a proper way."

[ Friday, May 09, 2008]

thats my club, thats my plkayers, thats my manager, thats my Arsenal!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 09, 2008, 04:04:17 PM
Following media reports this morning, Emmanuel Adebayor wanted to put the record straight by making the following statement.

"I am very happy here. Reports which suggest I have threatened to quit are rubbish. I love the club and the fans.

"We have a great set of players here with a fantastic team spirit. We have had a good season but next season we want to go one better by winning a trophy."

 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: takenoprisoners on May 11, 2008, 05:39:18 PM
Wenger warns United to expect a fight :duel:
by Tom Kell, 11 May 2008


Gunners go out with a win


The dust has not even begun to settle on this season, but Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger has already warned Manchester United that they will have a mighty big battle on their hands to retain their title next year.
Sir Alex Ferguson’s side won his and their 10th Premier League crown on Sunday thanks to a 2-0 victory over Wigan that left Chelsea two points adrift in the race for top spot.
There is little doubt that Arsenal would have been awarded top marks for artistic impression this year but, having led the pack at times, their bid to bring the title back to North London collapsed over Easter.
The Gunners brought the curtain down on their season with a 1-0 win over Sunderland, after which Wenger made it plain that he and his team will be aiming high when the new campaigns rolls around.
"The message I have is, 'Congratulations and get ready for the fight next year', said the Frenchman. “This win gives us 83 points which is respectable. I have won championships with fewer than that and it highlights the level of competition.
"There was very little difference between the three teams who fought for the championship and, for any little weakness, you were punished.
"Manchester United made the difference at home. They had 16 victories at Old Trafford and used that advantage. It feels like an anticlimax for us. It's disappointing but there's hope for the future because we have such a young side.
"We had a very young side here: the average age was 22.3 without the bench, and with the bench it would have gone down to 20. I think we can only be stronger next season. I think we have learned."
The shining light in The Black Cats’ season has been Kenwyne Jones, and manager Roy Keane confirmed after the game with Arsenal that the Trinidad and Tobago international went off injured, forcing him out of a potential international date with England on June 1.
"Kenwyne chipped a bone in his wrist and he'll be out for about six weeks,” said Keane. :o “He was a big loss to us here and it's disappointing, but we're fortunate it's happened on the last day of the season when it doesn't really matter."


http://sport.setanta.com/en/Sport/News/Football/2008/05/11/Prem-Wenger-on-next-seasonKeane-on-Jones/



Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: FLi ! on May 12, 2008, 06:06:32 AM
[ “He was a big loss to us here and it's disappointing, but we're fortunate it's happened on the last day of the season when it doesn't really matter."


might not matter to him, but it matters to anyone with red white and black running through their veins!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 12, 2008, 06:26:03 PM
[ “He was a big loss to us here and it's disappointing, but we're fortunate it's happened on the last day of the season when it doesn't really matter."


might not matter to him, but it matters to anyone with red white and black running through their veins!

correct but he could still play man it not snapped broken?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 13, 2008, 11:15:53 AM
Arsène Wenger intends to start moulding his squad for next season straight away and is looking to bring in a new signing "in the next two or three weeks".

Arsenal ended their season on Sunday with a 1-0 win at Sunderland. It left them on 83 points, some 15 more than last season but still four adrift of champions Manchester United.

Wenger is adamant there is little wrong with his side and talks of making only "one or two" signings this summer. His intention is to seal the first deal sooner rather than later.

“I know what I want and I am very confident," he said. "I hope to turn that around in the next two or three weeks. But the fans should be re-assured by what they see."

Wenger's two major acquisitions last summer, Bacary Sagna and Eduardo, were new to English football. This time around, it seems he'd like someone who has already acclimatised.

“It would be better to buy someone who has played in England because they are less risky," said the manager. "But it costs more money if they are from the Premier League, so maybe I will try to do both."

hmmm barry maybe? e'to? dunne? an unknown who fits right in and becomes famous?

personally i would like to see at least on eenglish buy at arsenal, but youngster randall showed a good performance against sunderland
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 13, 2008, 11:17:46 AM
Arsène Wenger argues it would be "criminal" if his Arsenal side did not kick on from this season.

The Gunners ended their 2007/08 campaign with a 1-0 win at Sunderland on Sunday.

They finished one place and 15 points better off than 12 months ago yet, considering their flying start, the failure to land a major trophy can only be seen as a disappointment. But, according to the manager, it is hardly "the implosion" that has been portrayed.

Indeed, the Frenchman believes his side will come back older, wiser and better next season. His main aim will be to exploit the advances of this campaign to the maximum.

“I think the big core of the team is ready to come back and fight," said the manager. "I think all of them are determined to come back and win.

“I feel they have created something special and not to take advantage of that would be criminal for me.

"At the moment the vibes coming out of the club is like we are going to implode but it is not like that at all.
 
“It is very stable and we are in a very good financial situation, we have a good team and good players. You have to let people talk then come back and win. I will be a busy man [this summer] but I am not worried.

“Like every big disappointment you have in life, you go through a period where you have to swallow, digest it and think where do I go from here?"
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 13, 2008, 11:28:01 AM
EMIRATES CUP

Arsenal Juventus Real Madrid Hamburg

AMSTRERDAM CUP

Ajax Lazio Arsenal
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Jayerson on May 13, 2008, 01:35:02 PM
EMIRATES CUP

Arsenal Juventus Real Madrid Hamburg

AMSTRERDAM CUP

Ajax Lazio Arsenal

We need to bring in or at least bring up some quality English players (from the youth academy), that would help with players running off to Madrid, Milan etc. English players rather stay home.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kish on May 14, 2008, 08:21:00 AM
Woi Woi BIG UP ARSEANL FANS, good performance for the season, bit unlucky with the UEFA liverpool game ( I still vex), but small ting.. It always have nex season. But all Arsenal and non - Arsenal fans must agree that we play the prettiest football in the EPL. Any body know who Wenger wants to sign. 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: takenoprisoners on May 14, 2008, 10:37:12 AM
Any body know who Wenger wants to sign. 

Lots of rumours out there but it seems like Ben Arfa and Yaya Toure are closest to being signed.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/kroenke-may-come-on-board-as-arsenal-close-in-on-ben-arfa-827572.html
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on May 14, 2008, 12:03:00 PM
Any body know who Wenger wants to sign. 

Lots of rumours out there but it seems like Ben Arfa and Yaya Toure are closest to being signed.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/kroenke-may-come-on-board-as-arsenal-close-in-on-ben-arfa-827572.html


Before the Sunderland game, Wenger said that everything will be sorted in the next "two to three weeks" ... which coincides with the French Cup final involving Lyon.

Ben Arfa has confirmed Arsenal talks, and Lyon is having a look at Nasri as a replacement ... so all signs lead to a possible done deal involving Hatem Ben Arfa.

I'm hoping that they could do some sort of swap ... Eboue + 5 Mil for Yaya Toure?

Hleb is obviously unhappy in London (they say his wife hates London), it's confirmed that he won't buy out his contract using the Webster clause, and i'm sure we could get about 15 Mil for him .... Arsenal paid 12 M for Hleb 3 years ago and he has improved since then. Look Spurs spent 16 M on Luka Modric a few weeks ago.

Arsenal is also being linked with a Manchester City deal ... possibly either Micah Richards, Dunne, or Johnson.

My picks:

Ben Arfa
Yaya Toure
Richards / Dunne
Diego (please)

They say Rosicky has finally solved his problems, and Vela is coming in.
There is also a little talk of Giovanni Dos Santos, especially being good friends with Carlos Vela. But would Barca ship him out? He's young and promising and should be part of the rebuilding.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on May 14, 2008, 12:13:35 PM
Also, with Keith Edelman leaving, I read an article that linked Sevilla's Managing Director to Arsenal.
Thats good news if it happens.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on May 14, 2008, 01:10:45 PM
Another player linked is Niko Kranjcar, if Hleb leaves

A note about Yaya Toure .. Arsenal had him on a trial in 2002, but he couldn't secure a work permit ... people seem to think that Le Arse let him go, but thats not the case.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 15, 2008, 08:38:46 AM
Any body know who Wenger wants to sign. 

Lots of rumours out there but it seems like Ben Arfa and Yaya Toure are closest to being signed.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/kroenke-may-come-on-board-as-arsenal-close-in-on-ben-arfa-827572.html



Before the Sunderland game, Wenger said that everything will be sorted in the next "two to three weeks" ... which coincides with the French Cup final involving Lyon.

Ben Arfa has confirmed Arsenal talks, and Lyon is having a look at Nasri as a replacement ... so all signs lead to a possible done deal involving Hatem Ben Arfa.

I'm hoping that they could do some sort of swap ... Eboue + 5 Mil for Yaya Toure?

Hleb is obviously unhappy in London (they say his wife hates London), it's confirmed that he won't buy out his contract using the Webster clause, and i'm sure we could get about 15 Mil for him .... Arsenal paid 12 M for Hleb 3 years ago and he has improved since then. Look Spurs spent 16 M on Luka Modric a few weeks ago.

Arsenal is also being linked with a Manchester City deal ... possibly either Micah Richards, Dunne, or Johnson.

My picks:

Ben Arfa
Yaya Toure
Richards / Dunne
Diego (please)

They say Rosicky has finally solved his problems, and Vela is coming in.
There is also a little talk of Giovanni Dos Santos, especially being good friends with Carlos Vela. But would Barca ship him out? He's young and promising and should be part of the rebuilding.


yes yes yes

toure2, arfa, richards (i forgot about richards but he seems injury prone but is an arsenal fan from a boy) not to be ignorant but who is diego? carlos vela highly touted for such a tender age haven't seen him play,


how ever cesc is trying to get david villa to play with us, i think this transfer market will be on fire witht he euro tournament AND the number of clubs with new owners looking to invest
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on May 15, 2008, 08:52:38 AM
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Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 15, 2008, 09:16:41 AM
(http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc62/trini_omar/ant.gif)
omar is that a home movie?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on May 15, 2008, 01:28:04 PM
Any body know who Wenger wants to sign. 

Lots of rumours out there but it seems like Ben Arfa and Yaya Toure are closest to being signed.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/kroenke-may-come-on-board-as-arsenal-close-in-on-ben-arfa-827572.html



Before the Sunderland game, Wenger said that everything will be sorted in the next "two to three weeks" ... which coincides with the French Cup final involving Lyon.

Ben Arfa has confirmed Arsenal talks, and Lyon is having a look at Nasri as a replacement ... so all signs lead to a possible done deal involving Hatem Ben Arfa.

I'm hoping that they could do some sort of swap ... Eboue + 5 Mil for Yaya Toure?

Hleb is obviously unhappy in London (they say his wife hates London), it's confirmed that he won't buy out his contract using the Webster clause, and i'm sure we could get about 15 Mil for him .... Arsenal paid 12 M for Hleb 3 years ago and he has improved since then. Look Spurs spent 16 M on Luka Modric a few weeks ago.

Arsenal is also being linked with a Manchester City deal ... possibly either Micah Richards, Dunne, or Johnson.

My picks:

Ben Arfa
Yaya Toure
Richards / Dunne
Diego (please)

They say Rosicky has finally solved his problems, and Vela is coming in.
There is also a little talk of Giovanni Dos Santos, especially being good friends with Carlos Vela. But would Barca ship him out? He's young and promising and should be part of the rebuilding.


yes yes yes

toure2, arfa, richards (i forgot about richards but he seems injury prone but is an arsenal fan from a boy) not to be ignorant but who is diego? carlos vela highly touted for such a tender age haven't seen him play,


how ever cesc is trying to get david villa to play with us, i think this transfer market will be on fire witht he euro tournament AND the number of clubs with new owners looking to invest

Diego is Brazilian ... plays for Werder Bremen I believe ... CM ... with someone like Diego, Cesc won't have to play 50 games a season. .... he was running on empty after February.

David Villa would be great, but I don't see it happening ... Wenger thinks we are fine in that department. For some reason, he thinks that RVP will be fit, Bendtner will be ready, Ade will be consistent, and Eduardo will be mentally strong. Eduardo will most likely be out till January, and even then he might freak out when a tackle comes his way.

Someone who was at the Cesc Fabregas show said that he was misquoted Re:Villa

Someone asked him “What player from the Spanish team would you like at Arsenal?”
Then the crowd started shouting “Villa”
So Cesc said “yeah ok David Villa"

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 15, 2008, 03:07:02 PM
Any body know who Wenger wants to sign. 

Lots of rumours out there but it seems like Ben Arfa and Yaya Toure are closest to being signed.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/kroenke-may-come-on-board-as-arsenal-close-in-on-ben-arfa-827572.html



Before the Sunderland game, Wenger said that everything will be sorted in the next "two to three weeks" ... which coincides with the French Cup final involving Lyon.

Ben Arfa has confirmed Arsenal talks, and Lyon is having a look at Nasri as a replacement ... so all signs lead to a possible done deal involving Hatem Ben Arfa.

I'm hoping that they could do some sort of swap ... Eboue + 5 Mil for Yaya Toure?

Hleb is obviously unhappy in London (they say his wife hates London), it's confirmed that he won't buy out his contract using the Webster clause, and i'm sure we could get about 15 Mil for him .... Arsenal paid 12 M for Hleb 3 years ago and he has improved since then. Look Spurs spent 16 M on Luka Modric a few weeks ago.

Arsenal is also being linked with a Manchester City deal ... possibly either Micah Richards, Dunne, or Johnson.

My picks:

Ben Arfa
Yaya Toure
Richards / Dunne
Diego (please)

They say Rosicky has finally solved his problems, and Vela is coming in.
There is also a little talk of Giovanni Dos Santos, especially being good friends with Carlos Vela. But would Barca ship him out? He's young and promising and should be part of the rebuilding.


yes yes yes

toure2, arfa, richards (i forgot about richards but he seems injury prone but is an arsenal fan from a boy) not to be ignorant but who is diego? carlos vela highly touted for such a tender age haven't seen him play,


how ever cesc is trying to get david villa to play with us, i think this transfer market will be on fire witht he euro tournament AND the number of clubs with new owners looking to invest

Diego is Brazilian ... plays for Werder Bremen I believe ... CM ... with someone like Diego, Cesc won't have to play 50 games a season. .... he was running on empty after February.

David Villa would be great, but I don't see it happening ... Wenger thinks we are fine in that department. For some reason, he thinks that RVP will be fit, Bendtner will be ready, Ade will be consistent, and Eduardo will be mentally strong. Eduardo will most likely be out till January, and even then he might freak out when a tackle comes his way.

Someone who was at the Cesc Fabregas show said that he was misquoted Re:Villa

Someone asked him “What player from the Spanish team would you like at Arsenal?”
Then the crowd started shouting “Villa”
So Cesc said “yeah ok David Villa"



on arsneal site now young mexican vela will be playing in the first team next season very much in the ro e of eduardo
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: WestCoast on May 15, 2008, 08:34:00 PM
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(http://orpheus.ucsd.edu/speccoll/dsads/flit/flit.jpg) ;D ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on May 16, 2008, 08:16:04 AM
Buss the bank and buy Benzema, Yaya and a central defender Right down the middle. Sell Bendtner, Hoyte, Eduardo & Senderos.
Bring in young Gibbs & groom him ( I have a feeling he will end up better than Walcott)

ManU done buy another striker from Angola, Manucho. He was deadly at the African Nations Cup.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on May 16, 2008, 08:16:47 AM
Buss the bank and buy Benzema, Yaya and a central defender Right down the middle. Sell Bendtner, Hoyte, Eduardo & Senderos.
Bring in young Gibbs & groom him ( I have a feeling he will end up better than Walcott)

ManU done buy another striker from Angola, Manucho. He was deadly at the African Nations Cup.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Filho on May 16, 2008, 10:08:29 AM
Buss the bank and buy Benzema, Yaya and a central defender Right down the middle. Sell Bendtner, Hoyte, Eduardo & Senderos.
Bring in young Gibbs & groom him ( I have a feeling he will end up better than Walcott)

ManU done buy another striker from Angola, Manucho. He was deadly at the African Nations Cup.

yuh doh business boy Observer. Sell Eduardo? papa...dat kinda cold

Think ManU has owned Manucho for at least a seaon. Who is the other striker from Angola?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on May 16, 2008, 10:44:31 AM
Buss the bank and buy Benzema, Yaya and a central defender Right down the middle. Sell Bendtner, Hoyte, Eduardo & Senderos.
Bring in young Gibbs & groom him ( I have a feeling he will end up better than Walcott)

ManU done buy another striker from Angola, Manucho. He was deadly at the African Nations Cup.

yuh doh business boy Observer. Sell Eduardo? papa...dat kinda cold

Think ManU has owned Manucho for at least a seaon. Who is the other striker from Angola?

Yeah that real cold boy. And who going to buy him now anyway?
Hoyte and Eduardo I agree with, but Bender is only 20, he good for a squad player ... carling cup, fa cup, etc.... give him time to develop.
He was just thrown into it because RVP and Eduardo was injured.

Apart from Gibbs, the young guns looking real promising ... Gibbs, Merida, Barazite, Lansbury, Nordtveit, Jay Simpson, Gilbert, Randall, and of course Jack Wilshere
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: SOBRIQUET on May 16, 2008, 11:10:54 AM
damn... wish ah could put a cyber-hatchet thru this thread throat... can we talk about sides that actually winning shit?  i know.... how bout we start a everton, fulham, or bolton thread... all sides, just as capable as arsenal... of winning jack shit....
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on May 16, 2008, 11:21:47 AM
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Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on May 16, 2008, 11:28:58 AM
damn... wish ah could put a cyber-hatchet thru this thread throat... can we talk about sides that actually winning shit?  i know.... how bout we start a everton, fulham, or bolton thread... all sides, just as capable as arsenal... of winning jack shit....

If Everton fans want to talk about their team here then why the flek not?

It have some Barcelona threads here .. why not get rid of those too?

Or after the final next week you could probably get rid of the Chelsea talk too because they ain't win shit yet
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on May 16, 2008, 11:30:53 AM
(http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc62/trini_omar/rvp2.gif)

Funny ... when was this? Never saw it in a bloopers video
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: RedDevils on May 16, 2008, 12:18:37 PM
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 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: JDB on May 16, 2008, 12:34:13 PM
Almost as funny as Wenger in this one

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y42/ongabonga/haha.gif)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: SOBRIQUET on May 16, 2008, 12:35:28 PM
damn... wish ah could put a cyber-hatchet thru this thread throat... can we talk about sides that actually winning shit?  i know.... how bout we start a everton, fulham, or bolton thread... all sides, just as capable as arsenal... of winning jack shit....

If Everton fans want to talk about their team here then why the flek not?

It have some Barcelona threads here .. why not get rid of those too?

Or after the final next week you could probably get rid of the Chelsea talk too because they ain't win shit yet

boss, Barca win the double 2 years ago.  and still i aint seeing a thread on dem.... when was the last time allyuh shine somethin? what allyuh have in the new stadium's trophy case? and as for chelsea, i have yet to  see a chelsea thread and ah know u aint trying to compare RECENT success between the 2 clubs.... nice swing van peezie! water-knee...(btw, ah hope yuh know is jes jones ah jonesing yuh)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on May 16, 2008, 01:43:27 PM
damn... wish ah could put a cyber-hatchet thru this thread throat... can we talk about sides that actually winning shit?  i know.... how bout we start a everton, fulham, or bolton thread... all sides, just as capable as arsenal... of winning jack shit....

If Everton fans want to talk about their team here then why the flek not?

It have some Barcelona threads here .. why not get rid of those too?

Or after the final next week you could probably get rid of the Chelsea talk too because they ain't win shit yet

boss, Barca win the double 2 years ago.  and still i aint seeing a thread on dem.... when was the last time allyuh shine somethin? what allyuh have in the new stadium's trophy case? and as for chelsea, i have yet to  see a chelsea thread and ah know u aint trying to compare RECENT success between the 2 clubs.... nice swing van peezie! water-knee...(btw, ah hope yuh know is jes jones ah jonesing yuh)

The reason why theres nothing in the NEW stadium's trophy case is cause we haven't won anything in a few years, every Arsenal fan knows that. That doesn't mean that we can't support our team. This is an Arsenal thread started by a fan and fellow fans post news/views on the team ... instead of people hating on other fans, why not start a thread on your own team for discussions.... hmm ..imagine if it had Derby or Reading fans on this site who want to talk about their team
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on May 16, 2008, 01:49:06 PM
damn... wish ah could put a cyber-hatchet thru this thread throat... can we talk about sides that actually winning shit?  i know.... how bout we start a everton, fulham, or bolton thread... all sides, just as capable as arsenal... of winning jack shit....

If Everton fans want to talk about their team here then why the flek not?

It have some Barcelona threads here .. why not get rid of those too?

Or after the final next week you could probably get rid of the Chelsea talk too because they ain't win shit yet

boss, Barca win the double 2 years ago.  and still i aint seeing a thread on dem.... when was the last time allyuh shine somethin? what allyuh have in the new stadium's trophy case? and as for chelsea, i have yet to  see a chelsea thread and ah know u aint trying to compare RECENT success between the 2 clubs.... nice swing van peezie! water-knee...(btw, ah hope yuh know is jes jones ah jonesing yuh)

The reason why theres nothing in the NEW stadium's trophy case is cause we haven't won anything in a few years, every Arsenal fan knows that. That doesn't mean that we can't support our team. This is an Arsenal thread started by a fan and fellow fans post news/views on the team ... instead of people hating on other fans, why not start a thread on your own team for discussions.... hmm ..imagine if it had Derby or Reading fans on this site who want to talk about their team

Because it would overflood the board with team specific threads..

Imagine what the board would look like if fans of every team start a thread about their team in the EPL, Serie A and La Liga eg. BOLTON FOREVER, LEVANTE FOREVER, CATANIA FOREVER, then keep bumping it up to the top every day like GunnerStunner?

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on May 16, 2008, 05:28:30 PM
damn... wish ah could put a cyber-hatchet thru this thread throat... can we talk about sides that actually winning shit?  i know.... how bout we start a everton, fulham, or bolton thread... all sides, just as capable as arsenal... of winning jack shit....

If Everton fans want to talk about their team here then why the flek not?

It have some Barcelona threads here .. why not get rid of those too?

Or after the final next week you could probably get rid of the Chelsea talk too because they ain't win shit yet

boss, Barca win the double 2 years ago.  and still i aint seeing a thread on dem.... when was the last time allyuh shine somethin? what allyuh have in the new stadium's trophy case? and as for chelsea, i have yet to  see a chelsea thread and ah know u aint trying to compare RECENT success between the 2 clubs.... nice swing van peezie! water-knee...(btw, ah hope yuh know is jes jones ah jonesing yuh)
Hush yuh ass nah!!!

If allyuh win in Moscow then start your own thread about Chelsea. You don't have to keep checking this thread.
It staring to get obvious that you are a closet Arsenal fan. Admit it and we can accept you.

Chelsea.....the most boring team in the history of football.

They are essentially Bolton with better players!!!! ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on May 16, 2008, 09:02:09 PM
damn... wish ah could put a cyber-hatchet thru this thread throat... can we talk about sides that actually winning shit?  i know.... how bout we start a everton, fulham, or bolton thread... all sides, just as capable as arsenal... of winning jack shit....

If Everton fans want to talk about their team here then why the flek not?

It have some Barcelona threads here .. why not get rid of those too?

Or after the final next week you could probably get rid of the Chelsea talk too because they ain't win shit yet

boss, Barca win the double 2 years ago.  and still i aint seeing a thread on dem.... when was the last time allyuh shine somethin? what allyuh have in the new stadium's trophy case? and as for chelsea, i have yet to  see a chelsea thread and ah know u aint trying to compare RECENT success between the 2 clubs.... nice swing van peezie! water-knee...(btw, ah hope yuh know is jes jones ah jonesing yuh)

The reason why theres nothing in the NEW stadium's trophy case is cause we haven't won anything in a few years, every Arsenal fan knows that. That doesn't mean that we can't support our team. This is an Arsenal thread started by a fan and fellow fans post news/views on the team ... instead of people hating on other fans, why not start a thread on your own team for discussions.... hmm ..imagine if it had Derby or Reading fans on this site who want to talk about their team

Because it would overflood the board with team specific threads..

Imagine what the board would look like if fans of every team start a thread about their team in the EPL, Serie A and La Liga eg. BOLTON FOREVER, LEVANTE FOREVER, CATANIA FOREVER, then keep bumping it up to the top every day like GunnerStunner?



GunnerStunner, play fair.

To be fair though, its not always him bumping it to the top ... sometimes "voyeurs" come on the thread just to say "Arsenal is shit" or something like that, helping to bump it to the top all the time
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on May 17, 2008, 06:43:22 AM
Buss the bank and buy Benzema, Yaya and a central defender Right down the middle. Sell Bendtner, Hoyte, Eduardo & Senderos.
Bring in young Gibbs & groom him ( I have a feeling he will end up better than Walcott)

ManU done buy another striker from Angola, Manucho. He was deadly at the African Nations Cup.

yuh doh business boy Observer. Sell Eduardo? papa...dat kinda cold

Think ManU has owned Manucho for at least a seaon. Who is the other striker from Angola?


Guilty! Its a bit harsh, especially since he received the horrific injury and did not get a chance to prove himself. I said sell him because quite frankly I do not believe you will get 15 goals consistently form Eduardo in the Premier. Arsenal had consistent goal contributers in the past. Pires, Lundberg, Wiltord etc. All 3 could play wide and score from those positions. Wide play use to be the strength of Arsenal attack. As I have said all season Arsenal did not have enough depth, nor the variety in the goal scoring dept.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on May 17, 2008, 06:50:48 AM
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Almost as funny as Wenger in this one

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y42/ongabonga/haha.gif)

 :rotfl: :rotfl:
allyuh is the greatest yes!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 18, 2008, 08:26:07 AM
damn... wish ah could put a cyber-hatchet thru this thread throat... can we talk about sides that actually winning shit?  i know.... how bout we start a everton, fulham, or bolton thread... all sides, just as capable as arsenal... of winning jack shit....

If Everton fans want to talk about their team here then why the flek not?

It have some Barcelona threads here .. why not get rid of those too?

Or after the final next week you could probably get rid of the Chelsea talk too because they ain't win shit yet

boss, Barca win the double 2 years ago.  and still i aint seeing a thread on dem.... when was the last time allyuh shine somethin? what allyuh have in the new stadium's trophy case? and as for chelsea, i have yet to  see a chelsea thread and ah know u aint trying to compare RECENT success between the 2 clubs.... nice swing van peezie! water-knee...(btw, ah hope yuh know is jes jones ah jonesing yuh)

very simple jus doh come here n comment cus yuh helpin the thread live
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 18, 2008, 08:32:06 AM
damn... wish ah could put a cyber-hatchet thru this thread throat... can we talk about sides that actually winning shit?  i know.... how bout we start a everton, fulham, or bolton thread... all sides, just as capable as arsenal... of winning jack shit....

If Everton fans want to talk about their team here then why the flek not?

It have some Barcelona threads here .. why not get rid of those too?

Or after the final next week you could probably get rid of the Chelsea talk too because they ain't win shit yet

boss, Barca win the double 2 years ago.  and still i aint seeing a thread on dem.... when was the last time allyuh shine somethin? what allyuh have in the new stadium's trophy case? and as for chelsea, i have yet to  see a chelsea thread and ah know u aint trying to compare RECENT success between the 2 clubs.... nice swing van peezie! water-knee...(btw, ah hope yuh know is jes jones ah jonesing yuh)

The reason why theres nothing in the NEW stadium's trophy case is cause we haven't won anything in a few years, every Arsenal fan knows that. That doesn't mean that we can't support our team. This is an Arsenal thread started by a fan and fellow fans post news/views on the team ... instead of people hating on other fans, why not start a thread on your own team for discussions.... hmm ..imagine if it had Derby or Reading fans on this site who want to talk about their team

Because it would overflood the board with team specific threads..

Imagine what the board would look like if fans of every team start a thread about their team in the EPL, Serie A and La Liga eg. BOLTON FOREVER, LEVANTE FOREVER, CATANIA FOREVER, then keep bumping it up to the top every day like GunnerStunner?



very simply, there just aren't that many fans of ALL the other teams, there are a select group of teams supported by many ppl over the world, this is a forum for soca warrior fans and followers, by extension many warriors are fans of a particular side(s) so its only natural to have a thread showing support of your side, great sides with shit supports usually end up flaming on other teams threads because they lack the actual class their side has.

so carry on antagonizing arsenal fans on this thread you only serve to make it longer and to stay in the first page and at the top of the list so cheers mate thanks for your support
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 20, 2008, 08:37:57 PM
does any one have any back ground on some of the players touted to be coming to arsenal?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 21, 2008, 10:44:10 AM
Arsenal are closing in on a triple French swoop with Samir Nasri, Clement Chantome and Francis Coquelin all understood to be on the verge of moving to north London.

The biggest of the three deals is that for Nasri, who only recently signed a new long-term contract with Marseille.

But l'OM have agreed to let him leave as they hope to sign Hatem Ben Arfa from Lyon to replace him.

Arsenal, who also have an interest in Ben Arfa, have agreed a deal for Nasri believed to be worth 15million euros (£11.9million).

Nasri is expected in the English capital on Wednesday for a medical before signing a four-year deal.

Ben Arfa's move looks closer after Lyon chairman Jean-Michel Aulas confirmed he could leave and admitted he would rather he joined l'OM than a foreign club.

"I am not opposed to a Hatem's transfer to l'OM. My idea is very clear: with the same offers, I will prefer my player to join a French club than a foreign club.

"French Football has to get more and more competitive teams for both Le Championnat and European Cups."

Aulas then admitted Arsenal are one of two Premier League clubs to make contact with him about Ben Arfa.

"But I have not been contacted by OM officials yet," he said.

"There is also interest from two English clubs, notably Arsenal."

While Wenger is a fan of both Nasri and Ben Arfa, the former has always been his preference and it seems he is now close to capturing him.

Nasri's signing is likely to be followed by the arrivals of Chantome and Coquelin.

Chantome was one of the few PSG players to come out of last season with any plaudits after a string of impressive displays in central midfield.

The 22-year-old has been likened to Mathieu Flamini and Wenger is reported to have met with the France Under-21 international in the last week.

Coquelin - who is with third division Laval, has been on trial with Arsenal and although he picked up an injury during training - the 17-year-old seems to have done enough to earn a deal.

It is believed Coquelin is currently in London undergoing a medical ahead of a deal.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on May 22, 2008, 02:26:55 PM
Arsenal are closing in on a triple French swoop with Samir Nasri, Clement Chantome and Francis Coquelin all understood to be on the verge of moving to north London.

The biggest of the three deals is that for Nasri, who only recently signed a new long-term contract with Marseille.

But l'OM have agreed to let him leave as they hope to sign Hatem Ben Arfa from Lyon to replace him.

Arsenal, who also have an interest in Ben Arfa, have agreed a deal for Nasri believed to be worth 15million euros (£11.9million).

Nasri is expected in the English capital on Wednesday for a medical before signing a four-year deal.

Ben Arfa's move looks closer after Lyon chairman Jean-Michel Aulas confirmed he could leave and admitted he would rather he joined l'OM than a foreign club.

"I am not opposed to a Hatem's transfer to l'OM. My idea is very clear: with the same offers, I will prefer my player to join a French club than a foreign club.

"French Football has to get more and more competitive teams for both Le Championnat and European Cups."

Aulas then admitted Arsenal are one of two Premier League clubs to make contact with him about Ben Arfa.

"But I have not been contacted by OM officials yet," he said.

"There is also interest from two English clubs, notably Arsenal."

While Wenger is a fan of both Nasri and Ben Arfa, the former has always been his preference and it seems he is now close to capturing him.

Nasri's signing is likely to be followed by the arrivals of Chantome and Coquelin.

Chantome was one of the few PSG players to come out of last season with any plaudits after a string of impressive displays in central midfield.

The 22-year-old has been likened to Mathieu Flamini and Wenger is reported to have met with the France Under-21 international in the last week.

Coquelin - who is with third division Laval, has been on trial with Arsenal and although he picked up an injury during training - the 17-year-old seems to have done enough to earn a deal.

It is believed Coquelin is currently in London undergoing a medical ahead of a deal.


Nasri has Algerian roots and is being touted as "The next Zidane" .. hopefully without the violence.

He's more of a central Cesc-like player, but Wenger would play him out wide cause our 'wingers' cut inside anyway. He is Hleb with an end product.

We've all heard alot on Ben Arfa already .... for some reason I think OM will only sell Nasri if they could bring in Ben Arfa. Arsenal fans want both.

Aparantly Robinho's agent is in London. Real Madrid want Hleb. .... I know its crazy but i'm dreaming that they do a deal .. Robinho for Hleb + a little extra ?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: freakazoid on May 23, 2008, 08:30:22 AM
and the award for the much ado about nothing thread goes to...........................
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on May 23, 2008, 08:42:30 AM
BREAKING NEWS: WENGER SCRATCHES HIS BALLS
By Jim van Wijk, PA Sport

PA Sport understands that in a desperate attempt to alleviate his irritation, Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger scratched his testicles.

This groundbreaking news is sure to shatter the footballing world; or at the very least intrigue the self engorged, idle, devoid of substance individuals that masquerade as Arsenal fans.

Players look on in disbelief as the normally calm Arsenal boss exhibited a moment of weakness in the face of unbearable frustration.

It is understood that the issue is to be discussed at board level, and that Arsenal shares have fallen 8% on the stock exchange.

Alexander Hleb and Emmanuel Adebayor, clearly disgusted by the actions of their coach are said to be considering their futures.

More to follow...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 25, 2008, 10:07:19 PM
BREAKING NEWS: WENGER SCRATCHES HIS BALLS
By Jim van Wijk, PA Sport

PA Sport understands that in a desperate attempt to alleviate his irritation, Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger scratched his testicles.

This groundbreaking news is sure to shatter the footballing world; or at the very least intrigue the self engorged, idle, devoid of substance individuals that masquerade as Arsenal fans.

Players look on in disbelief as the normally calm Arsenal boss exhibited a moment of weakness in the face of unbearable frustration.

It is understood that the issue is to be discussed at board level, and that Arsenal shares have fallen 8% on the stock exchange.

Alexander Hleb and Emmanuel Adebayor, clearly disgusted by the actions of their coach are said to be considering their futures.

More to follow...

probably got crabs from sitting on the Chelsea seats
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 03, 2008, 11:56:58 AM
 looks like a quiet transfer market? maybe after eruos things will heat up
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on June 04, 2008, 08:22:37 AM
and the award for the much ado about nothing thread goes to...........................

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Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 05, 2008, 04:36:05 AM
palos i doh really care, if some one gets info before me cool


still cracking up at ade and eboue mock dance of earnshaw last season probbaly one of the funniest moments
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on June 05, 2008, 09:33:40 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2008/06/05/ufnadebayor105.xml

Arsenal striker Emmanuel Adebayor agrees move to AC Milan.

Arsenal striker Emmanuel Adebayor has agreed a deal to join AC Milan, according to reports in Italy.

Adebayor has met with Milan officials over the past few days and has shaken hands on a move to the Italian club, but Arsenal's potential asking price could rule out a transfer.

Gazzetta dello Sport say a reported fee of around £32 million for Adebayor could prove a stumbling block for AC Milan owner Silvio Berlusconi.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Reaper2004 on June 05, 2008, 09:38:26 AM
and the fall of Arsenal begins. first Hleb now Adebayor
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Touches on June 05, 2008, 09:50:35 AM
Let all who want to go DEPART.

Arsenal does make players.

If you were good...something does happen to you.

Yuh will get blight.

Yuh best playing days was in the red and white shirt.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: D.H.W on June 05, 2008, 09:54:00 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2008/06/05/ufnadebayor105.xml

Arsenal striker Emmanuel Adebayor agrees move to AC Milan.

Arsenal striker Emmanuel Adebayor has agreed a deal to join AC Milan, according to reports in Italy.

Adebayor has met with Milan officials over the past few days and has shaken hands on a move to the Italian club, but Arsenal's potential asking price could rule out a transfer.

Gazzetta dello Sport say a reported fee of around £32 million for Adebayor could prove a stumbling block for AC Milan owner Silvio Berlusconi.

 :devil: :devil: :devil: :devil: :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on June 05, 2008, 09:56:45 AM
This is what happens when yuh don't want to spend yuh paper.

When yuh want to lecture men about a rigid wage structure and wax lyrical about the experience of Arsenal.

Imagine yuh telling players about loyalty but as soon as yuh hit 30 yrs of age, is 1 yr rolling contract in yuh mc.

This is 2008 not 1988. Players nowadays want to play and win titles, they want to be rewarded handsomely for their efforts and they want some job security.

If Arsenal had move right, Flamini wasn't going a place.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: superoli on June 05, 2008, 10:01:54 AM
yeah but adebayor is a goat !   ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: SOBRIQUET on June 05, 2008, 10:05:02 AM
Arsenal is a feeder club now...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on June 05, 2008, 10:07:16 AM
yeah but adebayor is a goat !   ;D


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Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on June 05, 2008, 10:39:57 AM
yeah but adebayor is a goat !   ;D


(http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc62/trini_omar/adebayor9la.gif)

This is just another one of those rumors, but 40 Mil Euros for Ade is something Arsenal should not refuse, considering that someone like David Villa is for sale at 17 Mil.

Don't be too concerned about Hleb leaving, we might see Yaya going the other way to join up with Kolo, and we've already agreed a deal with a Hleb replacement - Nasri

If Ade stays, all Le Arse needs is Yaya, Nasri, and Zapata
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on June 05, 2008, 10:58:36 AM
AC real gone through dread.....
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on June 05, 2008, 11:00:21 AM
This is what happens when yuh don't want to spend yuh paper.

When yuh want to lecture men about a rigid wage structure and wax lyrical about the experience of Arsenal.

Imagine yuh telling players about loyalty but as soon as yuh hit 30 yrs of age, is 1 yr rolling contract in yuh mc.

This is 2008 not 1988. Players nowadays want to play and win titles, they want to be rewarded handsomely for their efforts and they want some job security.

If Arsenal had move right, Flamini wasn't going a place.



Hill-Wood talks tough on contracts

http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/8213076/Hill-Wood-talks-tough-on-contracts

Greedy football players risk plunging the game into "anarchy", according to Arsenal chairman Peter Hill-Wood.

The Gunners supremo has backed his club's continued hard-line stance over wages amid the usual summer maelstrom of pay demands and transfer requests.

Full-back Bacary Sagna has signed an improved deal just a year after arriving at Emirates Stadium, with star midfielder Cesc Fabregas set to follow, while Emmanuel Adebayor has also been the subject of recent reports claiming he is after improved terms.

Former midfielder Mathieu Flamini meanwhile quit the club for AC Milan last month, with wages reputedly a major factor in his exit.

Hill-Wood told the Daily Star: "Nowadays, a lot of people sign four-year contracts and you heave a sigh of relief. Six months later they come marching in saying they want double the wages.

"The only answer is to tell them they are on that contract and that's it. Unless you do that, the game will become chaotic and descend into anarchy.

"I think there are very few people who have really got the tradition of the club at heart. You can name them on one hand. Actually, I can't name them on one hand and that's a great pity."
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 05, 2008, 10:08:38 PM
thanks for the update

helb goes barca we get yaya

ade goes no where unless we get a 30plus garanteed player

bendtner wont deliver van perise will pick up an injury while on duty for holland and eduardo still wont be back til MAYBE xmas

and le cheapo wenger will dip into youth and pull out Vela and Naraztie from the reserves

to think we passed up or over looked for the following players: cech, c ronaldo, babel, van bommel, and torres just to name a few

i think there has been enough seasons where the almost isn't cutting it anymore

or maybe i am dispondent due to a quiet transfer market roumors and wil be happier after the eruos


see what happens in july/august



Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on June 06, 2008, 01:36:16 PM
Milan coy over Adebayor swoop talk

http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/8216758/Milan-coy-over-Adebayor-swoop-talk

AC Milan vice-president Adriano Galliani has refused to rule out the possibility of landing Arsenal striker Emmanuel Adebayor.

The Rossoneri vice-president is in buoyant mood after sealing summer deals for the likes of Gianluca Zambrotta and Mathieu Flamini.
Milan also want a big-name striker this summer, and having seemingly cooled their interest in Ronaldinho, Didier Drogba and Adebayor have emerged as their top-targets.

Drogba is also set to be a target for Internazionale with Jose Mourinho now installed at their helm, so Adebayor could very well be the option Galliani opts for.

Coach Carlo Ancelotti has already admitted he would take Adebayor or Drogba, with a return for Andrei Shevchenko also a possibility.

On Adebayor, Galliani told Gazzetta dello Sport: "There is a rule that states that you can't make a private agreement with a player who is under contract with another club.

"I don't know whether a new striker will arrive from England - we will see."

Adebayor, speaking in his homeland of Togo, also admitted he was quite open about what motivates him.

"If you move, it is about money. When we were young we played because we love the game and we were passionate about it. But now, when you reach this stage you are thinking about the Champions League and big things like that," he told the Daily Telegraph.

"Whenever I come back to my country people love me. If I didn't go to Europe for money, what else would it be for?"

"If you gave me the option of playing beautiful football and winning nothing, or playing ugly and winning then obviously it would be the latter. You are judged on what you win.

"We play in a great team with a great manager, but we don't want to play beautiful football just to put smiles on the faces of the fans."


Reports in Italy suggest Galliani will lead a delegation to England on Tuesday when he will look to push ahead with a deal for one of their targets.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on June 06, 2008, 01:54:21 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2008/06/05/ufnadebayor105.xml

Arsenal striker Emmanuel Adebayor agrees move to AC Milan.

Arsenal striker Emmanuel Adebayor has agreed a deal to join AC Milan, according to reports in Italy.

Adebayor has met with Milan officials over the past few days and has shaken hands on a move to the Italian club, but Arsenal's potential asking price could rule out a transfer.

Gazzetta dello Sport say a reported fee of around £32 million for Adebayor could prove a stumbling block for AC Milan owner Silvio Berlusconi.


I know AC Milan eh really make the most astute of buys in recent year but Adebayor.

Adebayor at any price is too muchfarless £32 million.

Something wrong with this story.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 06, 2008, 05:52:25 PM
(http://bp1.blogger.com/__2aUIT7YIl4/R-j6clAh5MI/AAAAAAAAACA/Np6W0QL9Hs8/s1600-h/kits.jpg)

new arsenal kit already??? i want new trophies!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on June 06, 2008, 06:03:20 PM
Arsenal confirmed for Amsterdam Tournament

Arsenal will defend the trophy they won at last year's Amsterdam Tournament when they return to the Dutch capital this summer.

Arsène Wenger's side beat Lazio and Ajax on their last visit to Amsterdam and will face the Dutch giants again on Friday, August 8 before playing Sevilla on Saturday, August 9. Inter Milan, with new manager Jose Mourinho, complete this year's quartet of teams.

http://www.arsenal.com/article.asp?thisNav=News&article=492340&lid=NewsHeadline&Title=Arsenal+confirmed+for+Amsterdam+Tournament
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 10, 2008, 05:36:46 PM
Arsenal have won the £5m race for Cardiff star Aaron Ramsey ahead of Manchester United and Everton, with boss Arsene Wenger proving influential for the 17-year-old. (The Sun)

another promisng youngster

when we getting delivering players?

we need defenders and holding mid-fielders

we didnt have a problem scoring last year had had a problem conceding
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 12, 2008, 05:18:18 PM
Arsenal have told Barcelona they want £5m and Yaya Toure (brother of Kolo) in exchange for winger Alexander Hleb. (Daily Star)

Arsenal look set to beat Manchester United to another transfer target with the Gunners favourites to land Blackburn striker Roque Santa Cruz. (Daily Mirror)

Arsenal striker Eduardo could be involved in pre-season training after making good progress in his recovery from a career-threatening injury.
The 25-year-old suffered a fractured left fibula and an open dislocation of his left ankle after a tackle by Birmingham's Martin Taylor in February.
Arsenal physiotherapist Gary Lewin said: "Hopefully, he will be back doing training during pre-season.

"We're setting no timescales. We don't want to put him under any pressure."

Lewin, who is to leave the Gunners to take up a role as head of physiotherapy with the England senior team next month, added: "We are confident Eduardo will make a full recovery."
The Croatia forward had been expected to be out of the game for nine months, but the former Dynamo Zagreb player has been doing extensive rehabilitation work in his native Brazil.

Meanwhile, midfielder Tomas Rosicky, who, like Eduardo, has been forced to miss Euro 2008 through injury, is making a good recovery after undergoing knee surgery. Lewin told the club's official website: "Tomas has had surgery on his knee and we expect him to be flying by pre-season.

"We have had some real nasty injuries and I think that is part and parcel of the game.

"Look back at the years, we have been successful and we have had luck with injuries and not picked up many nasty injuries. Hopefully that will be the case next season
."



Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: freakazoid on June 12, 2008, 05:51:49 PM
this thread worst than chucky
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 14, 2008, 04:57:59 AM
Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger is expected to tie up a £13million deal for long-time target Samir Nasri, the Marseille midfielder, after Euro 2008. Ivory Coast international Gervinho also claims the Gunners have made inquiries to Le Mans about his availability. (PA Sport, 0635 BST)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 23, 2008, 03:03:51 PM
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9RsQg1dnwiY

ciao ciao ronaldo!

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on June 23, 2008, 04:37:08 PM
this thread worst than chucky

 :rotfl: hahahhahahahahahah :rotfl: yuh killing meh
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on June 23, 2008, 05:59:38 PM
Is Leaving Arsenal A Good Idea?
Arsenal’s apparent vulnerability leaves the Gunners trying to fend off suitors for their best players most summers. But what makes the North London club an easy target – and is it always a good career move to quit Arsene Wenger’s team? Graham Lister considers the evidence…

As the tasteless sauce of Arsenal striker Emmanuel Adebayor's future continues to simmer above the flame of Italian and Spanish press speculation, it's time to consider a couple of questions.

Firstly, with Alexander Hleb also being courted, why do Spanish and Italian clubs seem to regard Arsenal as a vulnerable target whose cherries are always ripe for the picking?

Secondly, is the grass really that much greener beyond the Emirates?

Vulnerable Arsenal

So far, most of the mileage in the Adebayor story has been clocked up by the would-be buying clubs and the Spanish and Italian media who convey their messages. Their agenda seems to be a tried and tested one: unsettle the targets with a steady drip-feed of declarations of intent to buy them.   

You can argue that it doesn't matter how many times Barcelona or Milan say they want Adebayor or Hleb, or how earnestly they say it, because unless Arsenal decide to sell there can be no transfer. But if the players' heads are turned by all the speculation, and they become unsettled, then Arsenal are left with dissatisfied and unfocused players who may as well be offloaded/cashed-in if their hearts are no longer in it at the Emirates, irrespective of what contracts they may have signed.

Adebayor, in those quotes that have been reliably attributed to the Togolese striker, has rubbished claims that he is demanding (or begging for?) a move, and insisted he wants to stay with manager Arsene Wenger's Arsenal, talking enthusiastically about the Gunners' prospects for next season and what is needed to go the extra mile to lift a trophy or two.

Hleb has been more equivocal about his future, but Wenger himself has made it clear enough to anyone in Milan or Barcelona prepared to listen that he does not want or intend to sell Adebayor.

However, in the real world we all know that doesn't mean the player(s) won't leave this summer. Things can change with sudden and dramatic rapidity in the transfer market, and there is surely too much smoke in the latest reports for there to be no fire at the heart of the speculation. At the time of writing, and with his latest attributable quotes, the odds appear to favour an Ade adieu.

That raises the more interesting question of why Arsenal seem to be particularly vulnerable to the unsettling transfer market tactics of the top clubs on the continent. Each summer, with monotonous regularity, the likes of Real Madrid, Barcelona, Milan, Inter and Juventus gather round the Arsenal squad like vultures anticipating a kill. Arsenal fans endured two or three consecutive summers of Real Madrid publicly courting Patrick Vieira. Then Barcelona made it clear they were determined to prise Thierry Henry away from North London.  Now the targets for the top Spanish and Italian clubs have shifted to the likes of Cesc Fabregas, Hleb, Adebayor and even (until he put an end to it by immediately signing a new long-term contract) Gael Clichy.

The clear implication is that the big continental clubs consider themselves a bigger and more attractive proposition than the Gunners.  That must infuriate many Arsenal fans, frustrate Arsene Wenger and be uncomfortable for the board at the Emirates.

Not Big Enough?

Arsenal are undoubtedly one of England's biggest clubs. Only Liverpool and Manchester United have been more successful in terms of honours won. But unlike those two North-West clubs, the Gunners have a relatively undistinguished European record and significantly have never lifted the European Cup/Champions League - by common consent the currency in which the reputations of the biggest clubs are now traded.

They may have been a tad unlucky to lose their first final in Europe's premier competition, against Barcelona in 2006, but the fact is that lose it they did. Although the Gunners are able to guarantee Champions League involvement to top players - they've qualified for eleven consecutive seasons - there may be a feeling that you won't get a coveted winners' medal in North London. That is where the likes of Real Madrid, Milan and Barcelona have a clear advantage over Arsenal..

And the fact that, despite playing such exhilarating football under Wenger, the Gunners haven't actually put a new trophy on the sideboard since 2005 also counts against them, though they have the potential to remedy that soon, and indeed came close to doing so last season.

There is an irony at the heart of top-flight European football. It's a team game, but while modern players are happy enough to win as a team, when that team - of which they are a part - fails to deliver silverware, some individuals distance themselves from the collective shortfall and talk of the need to move on to fulfil their ambitions. As long as Arsenal's campaigns have no silver linings, they are vulnerable to the Mathieu Flaminis and Hlebs using such arguments against them.

Not that success is a guarantee of stability or satisfied stars. The current Cristiano Ronaldo saga is a case in point. He has won two consecutive Premier League titles and the Champions League with Manchester United, and swept the board for the last two seasons as far as English football's individual awards are concerned. There is now a view among his apologists that he's been there and done that and wants a new challenge. Apparently Ronaldo wants to be hailed as the Fifa World Player of the Year, and sees a 'dream' move to Real Madrid as the only way of achieving that ambition because no England-based player has won that accolade.

So Arsenal can't assume that winning things will keep the predator clubs from their door. And of course they are seen as predators themselves when Wenger and his scouts continue to unearth raw, unknown talent and polish it into the sort of gems for which Europe's elite are eager to bid big money. 
 
Money, Money

Which brings us to the issue of money. Perhaps it is in this regard that Arsenal are perceived to be most vulnerable. They are a relatively conservative club, though not one afraid to embrace change, as the bold decision to depart Highbury and build a new stadium 500 yards away at Ashburton Grove amply demonstrated.  The Gunners are fiscally prudent, and the financing of the Emirates Stadium project involved incurring debt; but they have structured things in a typically prudent way, so although they are not the richest of the Premier League's Big Four, they are the most financially sound at the moment, following the foreign takeovers at the other three and the debts that those clubs are saddled with as a result.

This, though - together with Wenger's disinclination for splashing out on big-name stars, and the club's much discussed but ill-understood salary structure - has created the widespread perception that Arsenal are tight-fisted. It is a perception that works against them in a competitive market place, not only with some of the players they try to sign, but also among the players already on their books.

In the Premier League, only Chelsea (£132.8million) and Manchester United (£92.3million) spent more than Arsenal's £89.7million on wages in 2006-07, the last season for which analysts Deloitte's figures are available, so the club are not exactly cheapskates. Making European comparisons, Deloite recently revealed that the French, Italian and Spanish leagues spent about the same proportion of turnover on wages (63 per cent in 2006-07) as their counterparts in the English Premier League. The notable exception was Germany, where only 45 per cent of income went on salaries.

Yet these figures don't paint the full picture of how Arsenal compare vis-a-vis their domestic and especially continental rivals in terms of paying the top performers. The Gunners may well be right up there based on the size of their overall wage bill, but of keenest interest to individual players is how that wage bill is distributed. The charge often levelled at Arsenal is that they don't pay their top players 'enough.'  This argument received plenty of airing when the tapped-up Ashley Cole was feeling hard-done by about Arsenal's 'insulting' offer of £55,000 a week a couple of seasons ago. It was headlines again when Flamini decided to weigh anchor and sail off to Milan. And no doubt it is the underlying plot in the current story that is likely to see Adebayor and/or Hleb end up in Barcelona (or Milan).

Few people, outside the club and the players themselves, know exactly what the wage structure is at Arsenal and how much better or worse it is than those at rival clubs. But the perception is that the Gunners try to keep the differential between the lowest and highest earners in the squad as narrow as possible for the sake of team spirit and, crucially, economic viability. It seems to mean some players will periodically get disgruntled with their lot and start entertaining notions of how much better off they could be elsewhere, giving encouragement to rival clubs to start whispering in their ears - or getting the media to do so with a loud hailer.

The Sunny Side Of The Street?

Footballers like to tell us that it's not about the money but the glory. The reality is it's about both. But although cash can be a powerful motivator, most top flight players are extremely wealthy these days whatever club they are at, so at the end of the proverbial career, it's probably the medals that count – or more accurately, counting the medals.

So leaving aside the unknown factor of how much richer anyone got by leaving Arsenal, what can be said about how much more successful those who left the club became?

You can divide the players who've left Arsenal during Wenger's reign into distinct groups:
- Those who retired as Gunners (eg, Dennis Bergkamp, Tony Adams, Lee Dixon)
- Those who moved on towards the end of their careers with their best years behind them (Steve Bould, Ian Wright, Ray Parlour, Paul Merson, Martin Keown, Lauren, Nigel Winterburn, Robert Pires, David Seaman, Davor Suker, Kanu, Oleg Luzhny, Jens Lehmann, Freddie Ljungberg, Sylvain Wiltord, Sol Campbell...)
- Those who moved because they could not get into the Arsenal first team on a consistent basis, and found (or struggled to find) their level elsewhere (David Bentley, Jermaine Pennant, Matthew Upson, Lassana Diarra, Fabrice Muamba, Moritz Volz, Luis Boa Morte, Francis Jeffers, Pascal Cygan, Richard Wright, Stuart Taylor, Sebastian Larsson, Jeremie Aliadiere - plus a host of youngsters who never made the Arsenal first team or played just once or twice in the Carling Cup, such as Steve Sidwell, Graham Stack, John Halls, Anthony Stokes, etc).
- Then there is the most interesting group - those who when they left the club were thought to be moving onwards and upwards. This group includes Emmanuel Petit, Marc Overmars, Nicolas Anelka, Patrick Vieira, Thierry Henry, Edu, Giovanni van Bronckhorst, Jose Antonio Reyes, Ashley Cole, Mathieu Flamini and possibly soon, Emmanuel Adebayor and Alexander Hleb.

What A Difference A Move Made

From the above list, how many can be said to have gone on to bigger and better things post-Arsenal?  You could make a case that Sol Campbell and Kanu are enjoying an Indian Summer at Portsmouth, but another FA Cup win and a Uefa Cup campaign hardly eclipse what they achieved at Highbury.

Vieira has won the Scudetto in each of his three seasons in Italy's Serie A, though the first two of those, with Juventus and then Inter, were somewhat devalued by the Calciopoli scandal, through no fault of Vieira's, and anyway he'd already won three domestic titles with the Gunners, and has not been the driving force in Italy that he was in Wenger's team.

Petit flopped badly at Barca; Overmars fared better but not spectacularly so, and could not inspire the Catalans to any trophy success after they'd paid the Gunners £25million for him.

Bentley has flourished at Ewood Park, but with respect, Blackburn are not Arsenal, and he is now angling to leave Rovers because he craves Champions League football.       

Cole at Chelsea is not the player he was at Arsenal, and the gap he left was immediately and convincingly filled by Gael Clichy.  Pires has sparkled for Villarreal since overcoming another knee ligament injury, confirming that Wenger should have offered him the two-year deal he wanted in summer 2006; but that has to be tempered by the fact that Pires will be 35 in October, and Wenger is always looking to youth and the future.

Anelka? Yes, he won the Champions League with Real Madrid in 2000 (but only after falling out with then-coach Vicente del Bosque and being suspended by the club for 45 days for refusing to train) and a Turkish title with Fenerbahce; but looking at his overall success with seven clubs in nine seasons since leaving Arsenal, it is debatable whether he would have been better off staying longer under Wenger's guidance.

The Options

It remains to be seen whether Flamini will excel at Milan, though he goes to the San Siro with the momentum of an outstanding last season at Arsenal behind him.     

And what of Hleb and Adebayor, if they leave?  Hleb's footwork and creativity in the Gunners' midfield, alongside his pals Flamini and Fabregas, was often excellent, although his goals return remained a big disappointment. Pires, whom he essentially replaced, would average 14 goals a season from the left wing; Hleb's average is four.  If he moves to Barcelona, say, how will he be used? In a way that suits him best - or like Henry was last season, which certainly didn't play to the French striker’s strengths?

As for Adebayor, among many Arsenal fans there is a view that although he improved dramatically last season and scored an impressive 30 goals, including some real crackers, the 60 he missed were almost as significant. The point seems to be that Adebayor is far from the finished article and that if Milan or Barca are prepared to spend £22-25 million to buy him, Arsenal should take their money - especially if the player wants to leave.  Adebayor has more improving to do (20 per cent more, according to Wenger), so will he do that at Camp Nou or San Siro where the burden of expectation on him will be immense as the new big money striker?

Making your name in a particular team - in this case Arsenal - is the thing that attracts interest from so-called bigger clubs. But once the player is out of that environment, and away from the mentoring of a trusted coach (Wenger), there are no guarantees that development will continue at the same rate, or that the goods will be delivered in similar style or volume.  Along with the  money, that is a consideration the 'restless' players need to take on board as they ponder the pros and cons of leaving the Emirates.

If both players eventually insist they want to leave, Arsenal's options are to dig their heels in and keep them to their contracts; offer them big pay increases to keep them happy; or sell them for the best prices they can realise. The first option is not really viable, as keeping disillusioned players at a club can infect morale within the whole squad.

Nor is the second option sensible, because it is financially unsustainable in the long term, and could disaffect other players who will demand similar treatment.

So if push comes to shove, selling them on may be the best bet for Arsenal.

The grass may not always be greener, but players sometimes have to learn that the hard way. Nor is any player indispensable. Arsene Wenger's team look close to achieving honours, and given the Frenchman's record for finding and bringing the best out of talent, that scenario is not likely to change even if Adebayor and Hleb go this summer - especially if their sale generates funds to help bring in high calibre new recruits. The pertinent question may not be what will happen to Arsenal if they go, but what will happen to the players if they do?

Source: http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=747107
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on June 23, 2008, 06:27:17 PM
this thread worst than chucky

Or like bebe's kids, 'it does'nt die it mulitiplies'!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on June 23, 2008, 08:42:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTdBBVW9bTs&eurl=http://fbtz.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1199840

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


The same guy who did the Ronaldo Hitler Parody....  This one is even better...Arsenal fans will enjoy it as well...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on June 23, 2008, 08:50:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTdBBVW9bTs&eurl=http://fbtz.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1199840

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


The same guy who did the Ronaldo Hitler Parody....  This one is even better...Arsenal fans will enjoy it as well...


LMAO! F^cking nounce! LOL! Good sh!te!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: D.H.W on June 23, 2008, 09:22:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTdBBVW9bTs&eurl=http://fbtz.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1199840

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


The same guy who did the Ronaldo Hitler Parody....  This one is even better...Arsenal fans will enjoy it as well...

ah boy dais some good shit there boy  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 25, 2008, 03:29:25 PM
dat funny too!


anyone find any about chelsea??
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 02, 2008, 03:10:11 PM
righty-o no more ac trying to pilfer ade

and helb talks seem to have gone cold, stupid english press and their extrapolation of small talk
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Tigger on July 02, 2008, 03:17:15 PM
righty-o no more ac trying to pilfer ade

and helb talks seem to have gone cold, stupid english press and their extrapolation of small talk

Question Mr Stunner..

Do you blog on the Arsenal fan website?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 03, 2008, 05:38:38 AM
nope the ones i want to blog on require membership fees

plus this is where i can chat with local and regional and expat trinis who support arsenal, and dissus (argue) with those who don't

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 03, 2008, 05:39:50 AM
It all began with a Frenchman. The speculation over Mathieu Flamini's future dragged raggedly on the road into the marginally warmer months before, on 5th May, the seemingly inevitable happened and Arsenal lost last season's surprise package to Milan. It was a bitter pill to swallow for Wenger ahead of what would turn out to be a challenging summer at Emirates Stadium.


Just over a fortnight later, it was confirmed that supporters will finally see Mexico international Carlos Vela in the red and white of Arsenal after the 19-year-old was granted clearance to play for the club in the 2008/09 season following three separate loan spells in Spain.


Then came a second exit, but this time it was of the expected variety. Veteran goalkeeper Jens Lehmann penned a deal with Bundesliga side Stuttgart; a move which in turn saw last season's first-choice Manuel Almunia secure the No.1 jersey again ahead of the forthcoming campaign.


May and June were largely filled with the aftermath of ice-cream enthusiast Alexander Hleb's meeting with Internazionale officials, as a number of other clubs came out of the woodwork expressing their appetite to secure the signature of the Belarus international.


The routine courting from Spain of Cesc Fabregas came and went, before Wenger continued with his policy of snapping up promising youth via the coup of Cardiff City midfielder Aaron Ramsey, 17, who snubbed offers from Manchester United and Everton.


Then came a tale of two U-turns, the first involving Samir Nasri. Among a disorientating maze of names, it was Nasri's link to North London that seemed to hold genuine threads of truth. Cue 23rd June when the Marseille playmaker's official website made a boo-boo, prematurely announcing that his switch to The Gunners had been rubber-stamped. The statement was swiftly retracted.


Emmanuel Adebayor was next to perform his very own 180. On 27th June, the African striker addressed the world's press, in that unmistakably zealous discourse, confirming his intention to see out the remaining three years of his contract. Relief for Gunners fan, albeit short-lived relief. For just an hour later there he was having a chinwag with Sky Sports News reporter Bryan Swanson, explaining that he will have sit-down-talks with the club in the coming days. Tut-tut.



What they need


Stability and loyalty. With the summer's headlines dominated by want-away players, who are finding life a struggle on £50,000-a-week, Wenger needs to strain his squad of the players he deems uncommitted to the task in hand, and in turn put right three seasons of pretty football but empty-handed nothingness with the reported £20million he has at his disposal.


A towering, no-nonsense centre-back would prove fruitful as it seems that Kolo Toure and William Gallas struggle when partnered together. Philippe Senderos' mixed bag of a career means a fresh recruit would work wonders in patching up Arsenal's weariness when dealing with the long ball.


Wide-men. With Hleb all-but vacated the bustle of North London, and Tomas Rosicky the epitome of fragility, the weight falls on the young shoulders of improving Theo Walcott and Emmanuel Eboue (a player that I feel offers less than little).


If Gilberto leaves then fresh guts in centre-midfield are required with the latest name to be thrown into the hat Werder Bremen's Amaury Bischoff. The French-born 21-year-old would be a typical signing from Wenger; a player very few would have even heard of, but a player fans will be hoping can have the same impact as the likes of last summer's unexpected additions Bacary Sagna and Eduardo.



What they'll get


Much hinges on whether Wenger deems it essential to replace Mathieu Flamini - who dovetailed with maestro Cesc Fabregas last term - with a fresh recruit, potentially Bischoff, or a promotion from within. Next season may see the Frenchman utilise the leggy Abou Diaby in his preferred central role.


In the early flutterings of the transfer chat, Wenger had hinted he would strengthen defensively, but he has since commented that this is an area he is content with. Wenger is a shrewd manipulator of the market, though, and it would be foolish to completely rule out an acquisition in this department.


The capture of Nasri seems a matter of when rather than if, so it is a case of distinguishing fact from fiction among the remaining smoke and mirrors in a bid to predict what else might occur. As mentioned, Wenger is an unpredictable fellow, and so often he springs a surprise that initially bewilders you but then grows on you in time.


Adebayor's situation is a peculiar one, with the player to-ing and fro-ing by the hour. The interested parties, Barcelona and Milan, are expected to have to pay a fee in the region of £30million for his services. Expect a replacement if the striker is shown the door.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 06, 2008, 06:03:14 AM
finaly, the truth is easier to handle

Manager Arsene Wenger has admitted that Arsenal intend to continue selling their prized assets for the next 17 years.

The Gunners sold Thierry Henry to Barcelona for over £16million last summer and re-invested £7.5m of that money on Croatia striker Eduardo.

This summer, Emmanuel Adebayor and Alexander Hleb have been linked with big-money moves away from the Emirates Stadium.

And Wenger has revealed Arsenal must continue to make a profit in the transfer market in order to cover the costs of their new stadium.
Strategy

"The strategy of the club is to sell every year and to buy less expensive players," he told the News of the World.

"We manage at Arsenal to maintain all our football ambitions - national and European - while having to free up - for 17 more years - an annual surplus of £24m to pay for our stadium.

"The club's strategy is to favour the policy of youngsters ahead of stars and to count on the collective quality of our game."

Adebayor signed a new long-term deal with Arsenal last summer but is looking for a significant wage increase to stay at the club.

Mercenaries

Barcelona have already bid £24m for the Togo international, who cost the Gunners in the region of £3m from Monaco in January 2006, while Milan are also interested in the 24-year-old striker.

Wenger also voiced his frustration at the current state of the transfer system, which he feels encourages in-form players to seek more lucrative deals elsewhere rather than honour their existing contract.

"If I had the power to change anything basic in football, it would be the transfer system which makes mercenaries of players," he added.

"If they are bad ones, they stay and, if they are good, they think only of leaving.

"I have fought for them to earn a very good living, but I impose respect for their contract upon them."
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on July 06, 2008, 08:26:18 AM
Arsenal= selling club. Gunner now I understand why you created this thread, to keep us updated on how the sales are going.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: JDB on July 08, 2008, 07:28:45 AM
righty-o no more ac trying to pilfer ade

and helb talks seem to have gone cold, stupid english press and their extrapolation of small talk

Talks one real cold in truth, between Hleb and Fabregas.

Hleb hits out at Wenger and Fábregas'My view of how I should be playing didn't coincide with the manager's'Paolo Bandini and agencies
guardian.co.uk, Tuesday July 8, 2008
Article history
 
Hleb accused Fábregas of being 'selfish' in front of goal.

Alexander Hleb has stepped up his efforts to engineer a move away from Arsenal, criticising both manager Arsène Wenger and team-mate Cesc Fábregas before confirming that he hopes to play at Barcelona next season.

"My view of how I should be playing didn't coincide with the manager's," said Hleb, before revealing that he first asked Wenger for permission to leave last summer. "I think he was quite upset about it. But ask him. It may turn out he's happy to see me go."

Hleb was originally linked with a move to Internazionale after allegedly meeting the club's officials before Arsenal's Champions League win over Milan at the San Siro. Milan were then reported to have expressed an interest in the player, but Hleb today insisted his heart is set on a move to the Camp Nou.

"I don't know where I'll be next season but I'd prefer Barcelona," he said. "It is being negotiated and, hopefully, will be decided soon."

Although he has become one of the club's most important players over the past two years, Hleb has continued to frustrate many Arsenal fans with his apparent reluctance to shoot. His suggestion, therefore, that Fábregas is "selfish" in front of goal will be met with a degree of amusement within the club.

"When we get scoring opportunities, Fábregas is much more selfish than me," he said. "Given a chance to shoot, he always goes for it - unlike me," the midfielder told The Sun.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on July 08, 2008, 07:31:39 AM
righty-o no more ac trying to pilfer ade

and helb talks seem to have gone cold, stupid english press and their extrapolation of small talk

Talks one real cold in truth, between Hleb and Fabregas.

Hleb hits out at Wenger and Fábregas'My view of how I should be playing didn't coincide with the manager's'Paolo Bandini and agencies
guardian.co.uk, Tuesday July 8, 2008
Article history
 
Hleb accused Fábregas of being 'selfish' in front of goal.

Alexander Hleb has stepped up his efforts to engineer a move away from Arsenal, criticising both manager Arsène Wenger and team-mate Cesc Fábregas before confirming that he hopes to play at Barcelona next season.

"My view of how I should be playing didn't coincide with the manager's," said Hleb, before revealing that he first asked Wenger for permission to leave last summer. "I think he was quite upset about it. But ask him. It may turn out he's happy to see me go."

Hleb was originally linked with a move to Internazionale after allegedly meeting the club's officials before Arsenal's Champions League win over Milan at the San Siro. Milan were then reported to have expressed an interest in the player, but Hleb today insisted his heart is set on a move to the Camp Nou.

"I don't know where I'll be next season but I'd prefer Barcelona," he said. "It is being negotiated and, hopefully, will be decided soon."

Although he has become one of the club's most important players over the past two years, Hleb has continued to frustrate many Arsenal fans with his apparent reluctance to shoot. His suggestion, therefore, that Fábregas is "selfish" in front of goal will be met with a degree of amusement within the club.

"When we get scoring opportunities, Fábregas is much more selfish than me," he said. "Given a chance to shoot, he always goes for it - unlike me," the midfielder told The Sun.


lol.. the press is something else yes..

the headline say he hit out at fabregas for being selfish and when you read the line, its actually a compliment he paying the man.

nothing in this article at all..

is really de off season yes.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on July 08, 2008, 07:50:17 AM
who the hell cares

is Arsenal

they eh winning nothing anyway
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 09, 2008, 01:02:11 PM
who the hell cares

is Arsenal

they eh winning nothing anyway

right i hope manu can win games with out CR for the first two months of the season

plus i feel alex kick him in he ankle to get surgery to keep real off him

anyway
looks like talks for ade to ac have opened up, here we go round the arsne bush
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Giggsy's Chestwig on July 11, 2008, 07:18:19 AM
Arsenal sign Nasri (finally).

I hope for Arsenals sake that he doesn't do well, because if he does he'll be doing what all great Gooner players have done over the years...issue a 'come and get me' plea to every big club going...

 :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on July 11, 2008, 08:31:59 AM

right i hope manu can win games with out CR for the first two months of the season

plus i feel alex kick him in he ankle to get surgery to keep real off him

anyway
looks like talks for ade to ac have opened up, here we go round the arsne bush


not a ManU fan by any stretch of the imagination.

But I know they could wipe the floor with Arsenal, with or without CR7.

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Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on July 11, 2008, 12:15:10 PM

right i hope manu can win games with out CR for the first two months of the season

plus i feel alex kick him in he ankle to get surgery to keep real off him

anyway
looks like talks for ade to ac have opened up, here we go round the arsne bush


not a ManU fan by any stretch of the imagination.

But I know they could wipe the floor with Arsenal, with or without CR7.

(http://members.cox.net/oh51788/username.gif)


FA Cup this past season. A Nani, a Scot and a scouser!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 11, 2008, 06:47:35 PM

right i hope manu can win games with out CR for the first two months of the season

plus i feel alex kick him in he ankle to get surgery to keep real off him

anyway
looks like talks for ade to ac have opened up, here we go round the arsne bush


not a ManU fan by any stretch of the imagination.

But I know they could wipe the floor with Arsenal, with or without CR7.

(http://members.cox.net/oh51788/username.gif)


FA Cup this past season. A Nani, a Scot and a scouser!

and then what happened the game after that giggsy?? portsmouth??? you seem to have selective memory, and don't gimmie that alex rested played toots, cus he brought on rooney and CR
anywho i think it was an arsenal reserveist and retieree side down there in portsmouth, kanu, campbell, lauren and diarra hmmmm


oh yeah and didnt they go on to win the fa cup?? two africans, a french man and a suspect fasi, go figure
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 23, 2008, 10:02:43 PM
cyar let chelsea have all the fresh fun

so ade still undecided?

toure got malaria?

and no defensive or midfeild bodies in?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: E-man on July 23, 2008, 11:27:37 PM
In the Quiz section: Which Trinidadian scored against Arsenal in 1965? (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=37675.0)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on July 24, 2008, 04:40:41 PM

right i hope manu can win games with out CR for the first two months of the season

plus i feel alex kick him in he ankle to get surgery to keep real off him

anyway
looks like talks for ade to ac have opened up, here we go round the arsne bush


not a ManU fan by any stretch of the imagination.

But I know they could wipe the floor with Arsenal, with or without CR7.

(http://members.cox.net/oh51788/username.gif)


FA Cup this past season. A Nani, a Scot and a scouser!

and then what happened the game after that giggsy?? portsmouth??? you seem to have selective memory, and don't gimmie that alex rested played toots, cus he brought on rooney and CR
anywho i think it was an arsenal reserveist and retieree side down there in portsmouth, kanu, campbell, lauren and diarra hmmmm


oh yeah and didnt they go on to win the fa cup?? two africans, a french man and a suspect fasi, go figure

Gunner, the fact is United buss yuh beloved Arsenal's arse without most of the first team players whereas your team played about 9-10 first teamers. Rooney started and CR did not even sweat.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 25, 2008, 11:10:03 AM

right i hope manu can win games with out CR for the first two months of the season

plus i feel alex kick him in he ankle to get surgery to keep real off him

anyway
looks like talks for ade to ac have opened up, here we go round the arsne bush


not a ManU fan by any stretch of the imagination.

But I know they could wipe the floor with Arsenal, with or without CR7.

(http://members.cox.net/oh51788/username.gif)


FA Cup this past season. A Nani, a Scot and a scouser!

and then what happened the game after that giggsy?? portsmouth??? you seem to have selective memory, and don't gimmie that alex rested played toots, cus he brought on rooney and CR
anywho i think it was an arsenal reserveist and retieree side down there in portsmouth, kanu, campbell, lauren and diarra hmmmm


oh yeah and didnt they go on to win the fa cup?? two africans, a french man and a suspect fasi, go figure

Gunner, the fact is United buss yuh beloved Arsenal's arse without most of the first team players whereas your team played about 9-10 first teamers. Rooney started and CR did not even sweat.

 :rotfl:

yeah thanks fuh avoiding my point about portsmouth beating you guys, don't look back in anger gigsy, we played shit i wil admit that, a few guys were coming off injuries and furguson recently admitted in the press that
1) arsenal should not be overlooked for what they achieved last season because 2 had they been void of inuries and break foot it would have been even tighter for manu n chelsea due to arsenal drawing games they shoulda won man u chelsea woulda been no where near arsenal

anyways enjoy yuh retirement year
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: takenoprisoners on July 25, 2008, 11:17:25 AM
BBC news

Arsenal will train Indian boys 
By Zubair Ahmed
BBC News, Mumbai 


 
British clubs are eager to exploit the Indian market
One of England's leading football clubs, Arsenal, says it will train 16 of India's talented school boys at its training facilities in London.

The boys, aged between 10 and 15, were selected after a two-week coaching programme held recently in Calcutta by Arsenal staff.

The boys are flying out to begin their training at the club's stadium, The Emirates, from next month.

Leading European football clubs are increasingly targeting India.

Clubs like Arsenal - which is tied up with an Indian sponsor - see a huge market potential there.

Most of the boys going to Arsenal cannot afford to buy their own kit.

Their heroes are not Indian cricketers, such as Saurav Ganguly and Sachin Tendulkar, but Arsenal stars like Cesc Fabregas and Emmanuel Adebayor.

Selected from across the country, the boys will be put through a development programme, called "The Arsenal Way".

 
Arsenal manager Arsne Wegner has a reputation for finding foreign talent

The club's Indian partners, Tata Tea, owners of Tetley Tea, say the objective is to give the children access to world-class training facilities.

Arsenal say it is an opportunity to propagate the game in India.

But in this cricket-crazy country, football has long been neglected.

Even though some Calcutta-based clubs have a tradition and history to match old clubs from around the world, footballers here are never accorded the status cricketers enjoy.

The national football team's poor record does not help the matter.

But things are changing. Young boys and girls wearing replica shirts of European clubs are becoming more of a common sight.

When the German league side, Bayern Munich, played in Calcutta recently, more than 100,000 people turned up to watch them.

English clubs such as Manchester United and Chelsea realise that India's billion-plus population and growing economy could provide a huge TV audience.

However India's national coach, Englishman Bob Houghton, has often said that European clubs are more interested in promoting their commercial interests than helping the game in India.
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7526018.stm
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on July 25, 2008, 07:42:11 PM

right i hope manu can win games with out CR for the first two months of the season

plus i feel alex kick him in he ankle to get surgery to keep real off him

anyway
looks like talks for ade to ac have opened up, here we go round the arsne bush


not a ManU fan by any stretch of the imagination.

But I know they could wipe the floor with Arsenal, with or without CR7.

(http://members.cox.net/oh51788/username.gif)


FA Cup this past season. A Nani, a Scot and a scouser!

and then what happened the game after that giggsy?? portsmouth??? you seem to have selective memory, and don't gimmie that alex rested played toots, cus he brought on rooney and CR
anywho i think it was an arsenal reserveist and retieree side down there in portsmouth, kanu, campbell, lauren and diarra hmmmm


oh yeah and didnt they go on to win the fa cup?? two africans, a french man and a suspect fasi, go figure

Gunner, the fact is United buss yuh beloved Arsenal's arse without most of the first team players whereas your team played about 9-10 first teamers. Rooney started and CR did not even sweat.

 :rotfl:

yeah thanks fuh avoiding my point about portsmouth beating you guys, don't look back in anger gigsy, we played shit i wil admit that, a few guys were coming off injuries and furguson recently admitted in the press that
1) arsenal should not be overlooked for what they achieved last season because 2 had they been void of inuries and break foot it would have been even tighter for manu n chelsea due to arsenal drawing games they shoulda won man u chelsea woulda been no where near arsenal

anyways enjoy yuh retirement year
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Blah, blah, blah! Shouda, couda, wah, wah, wah! All  yuh trophy less since 2005, even dat was lucky since United wipe dey arse wit all yuh and all yuh was FORTUNATE to cling on to get tuh penalties because United trow wey all over the place and Scholes miss not tuh mention Ruud! But guess wat all yuh is a bunch ah nearly men just like Chelski! The only ting retired is Arsene9's door tuh keep players from leaving! Another trophyless season on the way for all yuh!

[
/quote]
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 01, 2008, 06:35:16 PM

right i hope manu can win games with out CR for the first two months of the season

plus i feel alex kick him in he ankle to get surgery to keep real off him

anyway
looks like talks for ade to ac have opened up, here we go round the arsne bush


not a ManU fan by any stretch of the imagination.

But I know they could wipe the floor with Arsenal, with or without CR7.

(http://members.cox.net/oh51788/username.gif)


FA Cup this past season. A Nani, a Scot and a scouser!

and then what happened the game after that giggsy?? portsmouth??? you seem to have selective memory, and don't gimmie that alex rested played toots, cus he brought on rooney and CR
anywho i think it was an arsenal reserveist and retieree side down there in portsmouth, kanu, campbell, lauren and diarra hmmmm


oh yeah and didnt they go on to win the fa cup?? two africans, a french man and a suspect fasi, go figure

Gunner, the fact is United buss yuh beloved Arsenal's arse without most of the first team players whereas your team played about 9-10 first teamers. Rooney started and CR did not even sweat.

 :rotfl:

yeah thanks fuh avoiding my point about portsmouth beating you guys, don't look back in anger gigsy, we played shit i wil admit that, a few guys were coming off injuries and furguson recently admitted in the press that
1) arsenal should not be overlooked for what they achieved last season because 2 had they been void of inuries and break foot it would have been even tighter for manu n chelsea due to arsenal drawing games they shoulda won man u chelsea woulda been no where near arsenal

anyways enjoy yuh retirement year
[/quote













Blah, blah, blah! Shouda, couda, wah, wah, wah! All  yuh trophy less since 2005, even dat was lucky since United wipe dey arse wit all yuh and all yuh was FORTUNATE to cling on to get tuh penalties because United trow wey all over the place and Scholes miss not tuh mention Ruud! But guess wat all yuh is a bunch ah nearly men just like Chelski! The only ting retired is Arsene9's door tuh keep players from leaving! Another trophyless season on the way for all yuh!

[
/quote]

your manager know just how unlucky we were not to have taken the league earlier

but dats ok
cyar wait fuh d season to start back

fyi emirates cup showing in bat n ball sat n sun from 9am and 11am

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on August 01, 2008, 07:26:54 PM

right i hope manu can win games with out CR for the first two months of the season

plus i feel alex kick him in he ankle to get surgery to keep real off him

anyway
looks like talks for ade to ac have opened up, here we go round the arsne bush


not a ManU fan by any stretch of the imagination.

But I know they could wipe the floor with Arsenal, with or without CR7.

(http://members.cox.net/oh51788/username.gif)


FA Cup this past season. A Nani, a Scot and a scouser!

and then what happened the game after that giggsy?? portsmouth??? you seem to have selective memory, and don't gimmie that alex rested played toots, cus he brought on rooney and CR
anywho i think it was an arsenal reserveist and retieree side down there in portsmouth, kanu, campbell, lauren and diarra hmmmm


oh yeah and didnt they go on to win the fa cup?? two africans, a french man and a suspect fasi, go figure

Gunner, the fact is United buss yuh beloved Arsenal's arse without most of the first team players whereas your team played about 9-10 first teamers. Rooney started and CR did not even sweat.

 :rotfl:

yeah thanks fuh avoiding my point about portsmouth beating you guys, don't look back in anger gigsy, we played shit i wil admit that, a few guys were coming off injuries and furguson recently admitted in the press that
1) arsenal should not be overlooked for what they achieved last season because 2 had they been void of inuries and break foot it would have been even tighter for manu n chelsea due to arsenal drawing games they shoulda won man u chelsea woulda been no where near arsenal

anyways enjoy yuh retirement year
[/quote













Blah, blah, blah! Shouda, couda, wah, wah, wah! All  yuh trophy less since 2005, even dat was lucky since United wipe dey arse wit all yuh and all yuh was FORTUNATE to cling on to get tuh penalties because United trow wey all over the place and Scholes miss not tuh mention Ruud! But guess wat all yuh is a bunch ah nearly men just like Chelski! The only ting retired is Arsene9's door tuh keep players from leaving! Another trophyless season on the way for all yuh!

[
/quote]

your manager know just how unlucky we were not to have taken the league earlier

but dats ok
cyar wait fuh d season to start back

fyi emirates cup showing in bat n ball sat n sun from 9am and 11am






Maybe I will check it out.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: 2cents on August 02, 2008, 10:44:47 AM
Ah takin in d game against my Juve right now...not exciting football but ah go take it for d pre-season.
First ting first I am Man Utd all the way, and Arsenal not winning anything more than Carling Cup with this youth philosiphy side.
I must say I prefer trophies over any other type of acclaim...but I am jealous a bit of all the young players Arsenal have coming through. Wouldn't mind if Utd had 1 or 2 of those. A few of these guys impress me such as Vela and Bendtner, but none more than Denilson...that fella look like trubble in a 2 years. These guys will provide good bench support for Arsenal...wonderful individual players who would fit in a smaller team well....imagine a youth like Denilson startin every week for a Bolton or somebody...as a team though...yuh eh winnin no league with tha intercol side. Look how Anderson look so compose as he was with all d experience men at Utd, but Wenger wouldnt self buy a lil 2-3 experience men cuz he fraid of d high transfer fees.
So I look forward to the Arsenal fans cry yet again 'we playin d best ball in europe' to which we reply 'what do u have to show for it'. bless
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on August 02, 2008, 11:04:53 AM
84' mins gone in Arsenal vs Juve... Juve leading 1-0 through a offside goal and Arsenal dominating the game with possesion and neat passing but typical le arse shithongs keep queuing up and when they get a scoring attempt..they collapse 


same old Arsenal..always queuing...

le arse shithongs
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: morvant on August 02, 2008, 11:15:46 AM
84' mins gone in Arsenal vs Juve... Juve leading 1-0 through a offside goal and Arsenal dominating the game with possesion and neat passing but typical le arse shithongs keep queuing up and when they get a scoring attempt..they collapse 


same old Arsenal..always queuing...

le arse shithongs

hush
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on August 02, 2008, 01:07:55 PM
Ah takin in d game against my Juve right now...not exciting football but ah go take it for d pre-season.
First ting first I am Man Utd all the way, and Arsenal not winning anything more than Carling Cup with this youth philosiphy side.
I must say I prefer trophies over any other type of acclaim...but I am jealous a bit of all the young players Arsenal have coming through. Wouldn't mind if Utd had 1 or 2 of those. A few of these guys impress me such as Vela and Bendtner, but none more than Denilson...that fella look like trubble in a 2 years. These guys will provide good bench support for Arsenal...wonderful individual players who would fit in a smaller team well....imagine a youth like Denilson startin every week for a Bolton or somebody...as a team though...yuh eh winnin no league with tha intercol side. Look how Anderson look so compose as he was with all d experience men at Utd, but Wenger wouldnt self buy a lil 2-3 experience men cuz he fraid of d high transfer fees.
So I look forward to the Arsenal fans cry yet again 'we playin d best ball in europe' to which we reply 'what do u have to show for it'. bless



Dred, Bendtner is ah first grade shithound! United has young players, young players  who have actually won and done things unlike dem Arsenal yutes ; Rooney, Ronaldo, Anderson, Nani, Tevez to name a few, none of which are 25 yet. Johny Evans, the brazilian twins, and two or three other young players who they took on tour have looked great. When those arsenal young men and them get tired of loosing they will move on.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Blue on August 02, 2008, 02:55:09 PM
Ah takin in d game against my Juve right now...not exciting football but ah go take it for d pre-season.
First ting first I am Man Utd all the way, and Arsenal not winning anything more than Carling Cup with this youth philosiphy side.
I must say I prefer trophies over any other type of acclaim...but I am jealous a bit of all the young players Arsenal have coming through. Wouldn't mind if Utd had 1 or 2 of those. A few of these guys impress me such as Vela and Bendtner, but none more than Denilson...that fella look like trubble in a 2 years. These guys will provide good bench support for Arsenal...wonderful individual players who would fit in a smaller team well....imagine a youth like Denilson startin every week for a Bolton or somebody...as a team though...yuh eh winnin no league with tha intercol side. Look how Anderson look so compose as he was with all d experience men at Utd, but Wenger wouldnt self buy a lil 2-3 experience men cuz he fraid of d high transfer fees.
So I look forward to the Arsenal fans cry yet again 'we playin d best ball in europe' to which we reply 'what do u have to show for it'. bless



Dred, Bendtner is ah first grade shithound! United has young players, young players who have actually won and done things unlike dem Arsenal yutes ; Rooney, Ronaldo, Anderson, Nani, Tevez to name a few, none of which are 25 yet. Johny Evans, the brazilian twins, and two or three other young players who they took on tour have looked great. When those arsenal young men and them get tired of loosing they will move on.

I went to d game today and based on what I saw I will co-sign your Bendtner assessment. No talent whatsoever.

Kind of agree with your summary of arsenal youth as well. Loads of talent (every1 except Bendtner could play d one touch brand) but no end product. Theo Walcott epitomises this - amazing pace, does leave men for dead, but you never get the feeling anything will come of it. Kind of like Ronaldo when he first came to England. Only Adebayor looks like he has an eye for goal (to be fair tho, he really does look like a world-class striker to me now, has improved incredibly since I last saw him play and I cud see why every1 is after him). Noone else is willing to take a shot.

I think they will be even better than last season though, and might even finish second (ahead of Chelsea), if they can develop a killer instict. Maybe when Van Persie is fully fit and back in d side they will be able to score more freely.

Jack Wilshire looks like a big player tho...never saw him b4 2day. Any1 know anything about him?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on August 02, 2008, 05:06:31 PM
Jack Wilshire looks like a big player tho...never saw him b4 2day. Any1 know anything about him?

was impressed by him too. only 16 years old!

http://www.arsenal.com/player.asp?thisNav=first+team&plid=86459&clid=4421&cpid=703
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on August 03, 2008, 11:36:51 AM
I eh no coach but I don't understand how Bendtner is used. For me with Arsenal penetration wide, Bendtner should get himself in the box and look to use his heading ability. Everytime he coming deep & pulling wide to get balls, which = ineffective. Get in the box and make life hard for defenders, batter dem soften dem up.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Blue on August 03, 2008, 11:58:18 AM
I eh no coach but I don't understand how Bendtner is used. For me with Arsenal penetration wide, Bendtner should get himself in the box and look to use his heading ability. Everytime he coming deep & pulling wide to get balls, which = ineffective. Get in the box and make life hard for defenders, batter dem soften dem up.

The problem is he has no ability. He is not world class at all.

Didnt watch the game 2day, but if he was on the field at the same time as Adebayor, he was probably being used in a slightly wider second striker role....kinda like a winger but with no pace or useful touches. Van Persie is far better in that role.

And Bendtner is a skinny fella, he can only make life difficult for defenders if he finds himself in space inside d box...once someone is marking him he will be de one gettin rough up.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on August 04, 2008, 02:56:54 PM
I eh no coach but I don't understand how Bendtner is used. For me with Arsenal penetration wide, Bendtner should get himself in the box and look to use his heading ability. Everytime he coming deep & pulling wide to get balls, which = ineffective. Get in the box and make life hard for defenders, batter dem soften dem up.

The problem is he has no ability. He is not world class at all.

Didnt watch the game 2day, but if he was on the field at the same time as Adebayor, he was probably being used in a slightly wider second striker role....kinda like a winger but with no pace or useful touches. Van Persie is far better in that role.

And Bendtner is a skinny fella, he can only make life difficult for defenders if he finds himself in space inside d box...once someone is marking him he will be de one gettin rough up.

Bendtner is 19, and has a better touch and more natural ability than Adebayor. I'm an Arsenal fan, but to be honest, Adebayor has the first touch of a rapist.
Plus he doesn't know the offside rule.

Jack Wilshere .. he is 16 and given Gilberto's number today .. first team squad.
He looked really really good in the reserves last season. I'd say better than Fabregas did when he started. Wilshere's been at Arsenal since he was 11 I think.

Vela and Nasri looking good in pre-season too .. not just the Emirates but their pre-season in Austria ... beat a side 10-2.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on August 04, 2008, 04:11:25 PM
I eh no coach but I don't understand how Bendtner is used. For me with Arsenal penetration wide, Bendtner should get himself in the box and look to use his heading ability. Everytime he coming deep & pulling wide to get balls, which = ineffective. Get in the box and make life hard for defenders, batter dem soften dem up.

The problem is he has no ability. He is not world class at all.

Didnt watch the game 2day, but if he was on the field at the same time as Adebayor, he was probably being used in a slightly wider second striker role....kinda like a winger but with no pace or useful touches. Van Persie is far better in that role.

And Bendtner is a skinny fella, he can only make life difficult for defenders if he finds himself in space inside d box...once someone is marking him he will be de one gettin rough up.

Bendtner is 19, and has a better touch and more natural ability than Adebayor. I'm an Arsenal fan, but to be honest, Adebayor has the first touch of a rapist.
Plus he doesn't know the offside rule.

Jack Wilshere .. he is 16 and given Gilberto's number today .. first team squad.
He looked really really good in the reserves last season. I'd say better than Fabregas did when he started. Wilshere's been at Arsenal since he was 11 I think.

Vela and Nasri looking good in pre-season too .. not just the Emirates but their pre-season in Austria ... beat a side 10-2.

Bendtner  turned 20 this past January, and I bet yuh that he will not be playing for Arsenal when he is 22-23. Right now Arsene9 trying tuh figure out how tuh pass him off on some poor unsuspecting club.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on August 04, 2008, 06:25:22 PM
I eh no coach but I don't understand how Bendtner is used. For me with Arsenal penetration wide, Bendtner should get himself in the box and look to use his heading ability. Everytime he coming deep & pulling wide to get balls, which = ineffective. Get in the box and make life hard for defenders, batter dem soften dem up.

The problem is he has no ability. He is not world class at all.

Didnt watch the game 2day, but if he was on the field at the same time as Adebayor, he was probably being used in a slightly wider second striker role....kinda like a winger but with no pace or useful touches. Van Persie is far better in that role.

And Bendtner is a skinny fella, he can only make life difficult for defenders if he finds himself in space inside d box...once someone is marking him he will be de one gettin rough up.

Bendtner is 19, and has a better touch and more natural ability than Adebayor. I'm an Arsenal fan, but to be honest, Adebayor has the first touch of a rapist.
Plus he doesn't know the offside rule.

Jack Wilshere .. he is 16 and given Gilberto's number today .. first team squad.
He looked really really good in the reserves last season. I'd say better than Fabregas did when he started. Wilshere's been at Arsenal since he was 11 I think.

Vela and Nasri looking good in pre-season too .. not just the Emirates but their pre-season in Austria ... beat a side 10-2.

Bendtner  turned 20 this past January, and I bet yuh that he will not be playing for Arsenal when he is 22-23. Right now Arsene9 trying tuh figure out how tuh pass him off on some poor unsuspecting club.

I disagree with MarylandTrini on that one. Adebayor seems like a much more talented player than Bendter.

Giggsy11, I feel thats the case with Senderos and Hoyte. But them men eh want to leave cause they know after Arsenal is a side like West Brom they ending up on.
 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on August 04, 2008, 06:49:39 PM
I eh no coach but I don't understand how Bendtner is used. For me with Arsenal penetration wide, Bendtner should get himself in the box and look to use his heading ability. Everytime he coming deep & pulling wide to get balls, which = ineffective. Get in the box and make life hard for defenders, batter dem soften dem up.

The problem is he has no ability. He is not world class at all.

Didnt watch the game 2day, but if he was on the field at the same time as Adebayor, he was probably being used in a slightly wider second striker role....kinda like a winger but with no pace or useful touches. Van Persie is far better in that role.

And Bendtner is a skinny fella, he can only make life difficult for defenders if he finds himself in space inside d box...once someone is marking him he will be de one gettin rough up.

Bendtner is 19, and has a better touch and more natural ability than Adebayor. I'm an Arsenal fan, but to be honest, Adebayor has the first touch of a rapist.
Plus he doesn't know the offside rule.

Jack Wilshere .. he is 16 and given Gilberto's number today .. first team squad.
He looked really really good in the reserves last season. I'd say better than Fabregas did when he started. Wilshere's been at Arsenal since he was 11 I think.

Vela and Nasri looking good in pre-season too .. not just the Emirates but their pre-season in Austria ... beat a side 10-2.

Bendtner  turned 20 this past January, and I bet yuh that he will not be playing for Arsenal when he is 22-23. Right now Arsene9 trying tuh figure out how tuh pass him off on some poor unsuspecting club.

I disagree with MarylandTrini on that one. Adebayor seems like a much more talented player than Bendter.

Giggsy11, I feel thats the case with Senderos and Hoyte. But them men eh want to leave cause they know after Arsenal is a side like West Brom they ending up on.
 



Supposedly Newcastle interested in gettin Senderos, shite Arsene9 should personally drive him to Tyneside and pull off before they change their mind.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on August 04, 2008, 07:02:59 PM
Jack Wilshere is good...really impressed me...  maybe a bit too good for a 3rd place team
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on August 05, 2008, 06:33:43 AM
Supposedly Newcastle interested in gettin Senderos, shite Arsene9 should personally drive him to Tyneside and pull off before they change their mind.

Read an article that said Newcastle offered 4mil pounds and Arsenal wanted 6mil. Another said Arsenal wanted 7mil plus Shay Given  :-\
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on August 05, 2008, 07:03:11 AM
Supposedly Newcastle interested in gettin Senderos, shite Arsene9 should personally drive him to Tyneside and pull off before they change their mind.

Read an article that said Newcastle offered 4mil pounds and Arsenal wanted 6mil. Another said Arsenal wanted 7mil plus Shay Given  :-\

Yeah they're not selling... only if we get Given

Arsene is looking for one more player .. hearing Xabi Alonso's name thrown around. Liverpool still want Barry, but they want to sell Xabi to finance the deal. I say Arsenal should just offer up 12M + Hoyte for Barry ... O'Neil would rather sell to Arsenal just to piss off Liverpool.

Plenty names coming up though ... Barry, Xabi, De La Red, Veloso


Off topic ... anyone notice Real Madird just paid 13 Million for Van Der Vaart? And he had a clause in his contract that said he could leave next year for 1.5 M. That is good business by Hamburg.
So now .. Madrid ... Van Der Vaart, Sneijder, Robben, Drenthe, Van Nistelrooy.
They should play in Oranje.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Touches on August 05, 2008, 11:38:45 AM
Arsenal puts 16-year-old Wilshere on its first-team squad for upcoming season.

23 hours ago

LONDON — Arsenal has included 16-year-old midfielder Jack Wilshere in its first-team squad for the new season.

Wilshere did not make it into the squad last season but impressed in preseason, going close to scoring against Juventus on Saturday and causing Real Madrid fullback Michel Salgado problems Sunday.

Wilshere wore No. 55 against Madrid but has been given the No. 19 shirt formerly worn by Brazil midfielder Gilberto Silva, who left the club to join Panathinaikos last month.

Wilshere joined Arsenal at age nine in October 2001. He scored 13 times in 19 under-18 matches last season and scored twice from two starts with the reserve team.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on August 05, 2008, 11:58:16 AM

Arsenal puts 16-year-old Wilshere on its first-team squad for upcoming season.


Yet another season of Arseanal's boys against the men of EPL.

Come next Feb is injuries and loss of from and no titles.

Wenger is a pedophile.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on August 05, 2008, 02:45:41 PM

Arsenal puts 16-year-old Wilshere on its first-team squad for upcoming season.


Yet another season of Arseanal's boys against the men of EPL.

Come next Feb is injuries and loss of from and no titles.

Wenger is a pedophile.

Arsene9 looking to roll in the next 2 years.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on August 05, 2008, 02:49:15 PM
Supposedly Newcastle interested in gettin Senderos, shite Arsene9 should personally drive him to Tyneside and pull off before they change their mind.

Read an article that said Newcastle offered 4mil pounds and Arsenal wanted 6mil. Another said Arsenal wanted 7mil plus Shay Given  :-\


Dey must be mad! Dey should be lucky somebody want that big crybaby!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: takenoprisoners on August 06, 2008, 04:45:57 PM
Jack Wilshere is good...really impressed me...  maybe a bit too good for a 3rd place team
Not bad! ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITVSdAzBjXY&feature=related
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 09, 2008, 11:50:49 AM
jackie wilshire

who says arsenal have no english players lol

here we go again see you nerds next week
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on August 09, 2008, 03:13:31 PM
St Anns letting you out for the new season?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 11, 2008, 07:48:09 PM
St Anns letting you out for the new season?

wild nurses couldn't hold me back!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on August 11, 2008, 08:10:26 PM
St Anns letting you out for the new season?

wild nurses couldn't hold me back!


LOl, cheers! Good luck this season.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 13, 2008, 09:38:35 AM
St Anns letting you out for the new season?

wild nurses couldn't hold me back!


LOl, cheers! Good luck this season.

we doh need luck we need creatine and age
Title: arsenal playin on espn 2 now
Post by: morvant on August 13, 2008, 12:51:42 PM
we playin twenty

hopefully we hit them ten ;D

van persie lookin fit
 
unfortunately eboue still playing fuh we that blasted shythound
Title: Re: arsenal playin on espn 2 now
Post by: SHOTTA on August 13, 2008, 01:12:29 PM
a right winger dat cya cross keepin the english tinto on the bench?

hard luck dey dan

hope twenty sour allyuh today..........ah doubt da side remember wa a trophy look like

 ;D :beermug:
Title: Re: arsenal playin on espn 2 now
Post by: freakazoid on August 13, 2008, 01:24:58 PM
steup s cant see d barca game anywhere

tewente playa shoulda finish off ah a nice move but like he get week in d knees

arsenal looking soft in the back
Title: Re: arsenal playin on espn 2 now
Post by: morvant on August 13, 2008, 01:45:41 PM
steup s cant see d barca game anywhere

tewente playa shoulda finish off ah a nice move but like he get week in d knees

arsenal looking soft in the back

barca playin on deportes
Title: Re: arsenal playin on espn 2 now
Post by: iceberg on August 13, 2008, 02:49:58 PM
That was the most pack of shit I see Arsenal play in a longtime but goals win matches. So Job well done.  That Gunner side so young I swear it was a U-20 side.  Jeez!!!  But it's early days, as long as we qualify for the Champions League Group stages den we could have we big guns to rip it up.  Go GUNNERS!!!
Title: Re: arsenal playin on espn 2 now
Post by: FLi ! on August 13, 2008, 03:16:29 PM
That was the most pack of shit I see Arsenal play in a longtime but goals win matches. So Job well done.  That Gunner side so young I swear it was a U-20 side.  Jeez!!!  But it's early days, as long as we qualify for the Champions League Group stages den we could have we big guns to rip it up.  Go GUNNERS!!!

which big guns, the only starters all yuh missing is toure and fabregas.

The side that play that pack of shit had regular starters of van persie, adebaybore, eboue, sagna, clichy, gallas, almunia, and you could even include Walcott in that mix, cuz he been in the first team squad for at least two full seasons now.

The only non regulars was Djourou, Ramsey and Denilson.

Arsenal need to stop claiming their side 'young' , cuz they ain't. They need to start buying world class players, cuz they gonna be found out  wanting in the next 38 weeks.
Title: Re: arsenal playin on espn 2 now
Post by: mukumsplau on August 13, 2008, 03:22:49 PM
Juventus 4 - Artmedia 0

we're back (almost) bitches.
Title: Re: arsenal playin on espn 2 now
Post by: Observer on August 13, 2008, 05:16:07 PM
steup s cant see d barca game anywhere

tewente playa shoulda finish off ah a nice move but like he get week in d knees

arsenal looking soft in the back

Gallas has never been convincing for me as a central defender, neither with France or Arsenal. Who else
Senderos? Not likely! It will remain a weak spot.
Title: Re: arsenal playin on espn 2 now
Post by: morvant on August 13, 2008, 05:28:47 PM
walcott feel he too good all of a sudden

only sagna and denilson look like they wanted to win
Title: Re: arsenal playin on espn 2 now
Post by: dwn on August 13, 2008, 08:09:04 PM
Arsenal need to stop claiming their side 'young' , cuz they ain't.

 ???  Men forging birth certificates or what?

From todays team - Starting:

Clichy - 22
Djourou - 21
Denilson - 20
Ramsey - 17
Walcott - 19

Bench:

Gibbs - 18
Randall - 18
Wilshere - 16
Vela - 19
Bendtner - 20
Title: Re: arsenal playin on espn 2 now
Post by: FLi ! on August 14, 2008, 02:52:27 AM
Arsenal need to stop claiming their side 'young' , cuz they ain't.

 ???  Men forging birth certificates or what?

From todays team - Starting:

Clichy - 22
Djourou - 21
Denilson - 20
Ramsey - 17
Walcott - 19

Bench:

Gibbs - 18
Randall - 18
Wilshere - 16
Vela - 19
Bendtner - 20

Ok, let's put in the ages of the remaining starters  that you left out;

Almunia-31
Sagna-25
Eboue-25
Van Persie-25
Adebaybore-24
(Toure soon to return from injury-27)

Every side have young players in their starting line up but don't go on about it as Arsene does; I could talk bout Anderson-20
Nani-21
Campbell-20 (who has been sweating and gonna get more sweat when the season start)
Rooney-22

It's easier to keep talking about the youth of your side, when it's due to your policy of not spending money on big players. Fair enough, they're paying back for a stadium, but it's a bit disingenuous to keep using one's own situation as a reason for failure to win silverware.

Title: Re: arsenal playin on espn 2 now
Post by: dwn on August 14, 2008, 07:21:53 AM
Ok, let's put in the ages of the remaining starters  that you left out;

Almunia-31
Sagna-25
Eboue-25
Van Persie-25
Adebaybore-24
(Toure soon to return from injury-27)

Every side have young players in their starting line up but don't go on about it as Arsene does; I could talk bout Anderson-20
Nani-21
Campbell-20 (who has been sweating and gonna get more sweat when the season start)
Rooney-22

It's easier to keep talking about the youth of your side, when it's due to your policy of not spending money on big players. Fair enough, they're paying back for a stadium, but it's a bit disingenuous to keep using one's own situation as a reason for failure to win silverware.

You said "Arsenal need to stop claiming their side young, cuz they aint". I just showing you that 10 out of the traveling squad that went Holland was under 22. So you eh really make no sense. Saying that the other starters (besides Almunia and you forgot Gallas) are all 24/25 or that other teams have young players hardly makes a difference to the point I was making. Unless you saying that Arsenal's average age is normal.

But I think what you wanted to say is that Arsenal should not use the age of their team as an excuse for not winning. But the fact is the side is young and last season they lost a lot of key players at the same time and had to rely too heavily on inexperienced players. If you don't like that as a reason or don't think its true then COOL.

But we were top of the league and had a bad patch of form when Eduardo (in form striker at the time) joined Van Persie (leading striker) and Rosicky (our biggest goal threat out of midfield) on the injured list. Sagna (one of the strongest right backs in the league) also got injured late in the season. So any Arsenal fan would obviously cite those losses and the inexperience we had to rely on as a key factor for the team's downfall. Its pretty straight forward.

But as I said, if you don't like that as a reason or don't think its true then COOL. 

Lastly, I never hear Wenger or anyone from Arsenal saying that the team not going and win nothing this season cause it too young. All that coming from the media, football fans and rival coaches.

Title: Arsenal accept Hoyte offer ..he might want to run for T & T now
Post by: 1-868 on August 14, 2008, 08:02:05 AM
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_3981030,00.html

Arsenal accept Hoyte offer

Middlesbrough have confirmed that they have had a bid accepted for Arsenal full-back Justin Hoyte.

Boro chairman Steve Gibson revealed on Tuesday that the club had submitted an offer for the defender as manager Gareth Southgate seeks a replacement for right-back Luke Young, who recently signed for Aston Villa.

Hoyte, who enjoyed a loan spell at Sunderland in 2005/06, struggled for first-team football at the Gunners last season, making just two Premier League starts.

And Southgate's Boro are now set to open talks with the 23-year-old, although the proposed transfer faces a race against time to be completed before the club's campaign opener against Tottenham Hotspur.

Chief executive Keith Lamb told the club's official website: "We have agreed a fee with Arsenal and we have now been given permission to speak to Justin which we will be doing in the next 24-48 hours."

Should Hoyte fail to seal his planned switch to the Riverside Stadium before Saturday's game with Spurs then Rhys Williams is likely to start ahead of Tony McMahon in defence.
Middlesbrough v Tottenham. Click here to bet
Title: Re: Arsenal accept Hoyte offer ..he might want to run for T & T now
Post by: TrinInfinite on August 14, 2008, 08:05:36 AM
why would he play for tt, england might call him, just like his brother
Title: Re: Arsenal accept Hoyte offer ..he might want to run for T & T now
Post by: Dinner Mints on August 14, 2008, 08:18:24 AM
He could play left back?
Title: Re: Arsenal accept Hoyte offer ..he might want to run for T & T now
Post by: Sando prince on August 14, 2008, 08:22:27 AM
Steupse did de man ever publicly say he want to play for T&T....and we not in de encouraging player ting to represnt T&T..(that is what JA famous for.)..you should never have to persuade a man to represent a country..
Title: Re: Arsenal accept Hoyte offer ..he might want to run for T & T now
Post by: morvant on August 14, 2008, 09:57:19 AM
what that have to do with trini
Title: Re: Arsenal accept Hoyte offer ..he might want to run for T & T now
Post by: Sam on August 14, 2008, 10:02:03 AM
Hoyte at this present time cannot play infront of Gray or Avery. International ball and club is two different things.

Fack Him !!!!
Title: Re: Arsenal accept Hoyte offer ..he might want to run for T & T now
Post by: Rastaman on August 14, 2008, 10:48:52 AM
Hoyte at this present time cannot play infront of Gray or Avery. International ball and club is two different things.

Fack Him !!!!
:applause: :applause:
Title: Re: arsenal playin on espn 2 now
Post by: boss on August 14, 2008, 01:29:52 PM
Alright, I wasn't sure where to post this....but....

 :rotfl:


 :rotfl:


 :rotfl:


WHY THE ASS DOES STEVE MCLAREN HAVE A DUTCH ACCENT?!?!?!?!  :rotfl:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=F8oN58cyp2c
Title: Re: arsenal playin on espn 2 now
Post by: Observer on August 14, 2008, 02:08:59 PM
Alright, I wasn't sure where to post this....but....

 :rotfl:


 :rotfl:


 :rotfl:


WHY THE ASS DOES STEVE MCLAREN HAVE A DUTCH ACCENT?!?!?!?!  :rotfl:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=F8oN58cyp2c


oh shit! is truth! hahahhahahahah  :rotfl: fresh water Dutchie ;D
Title: Re: Arsenal accept Hoyte offer ..he might want to run for T & T now
Post by: iceberg on August 14, 2008, 02:25:15 PM
I agree with you Sam.  We could do well with what we have.  Plus we need to stop  running down man who have Trini roots and hope he would want to play for Trinidad.  Let Hoyte stay where he is.

On another note, it look like Arsenal is now officially ah feeder club.  WENGER SPEND SOME MONEY ON BIG NAME PLAYERS MAN.
Title: Re: Arsenal accept Hoyte offer ..he might want to run for T & T now
Post by: Dinner Mints on August 14, 2008, 02:35:54 PM
We didn't run down Birchall? Literally, even?
Title: Re: Arsenal accept Hoyte offer ..he might want to run for T & T now
Post by: royal on August 14, 2008, 02:39:25 PM
He and his brother turn us down already..........so we ain't begging.
Title: Re: Arsenal accept Hoyte offer ..he might want to run for T & T now
Post by: ZANDOLIE on August 14, 2008, 02:53:51 PM
speaking of jocking a dead prick....
Title: Re: Arsenal accept Hoyte offer ..he might want to run for T & T now
Post by: Jefferz on August 16, 2008, 11:18:03 PM
We didn't run down Birchall? Literally, even?

nah, buh der was too much f**kery talk about fake trini like zamora and ting... never seen ah more clear brit, i doh care if he have trini roots... he eh no trini... birchal is ah trini cuz he was proud of he roots... and even if he wasnt really proud and he was playin proud just to get some international sweat, he grow some trini roots while reprisenting us, he came took in the culture off the field and on it he fought like a lion... so really there is a huge difference between him and hoyte.
Title: Re: Arsenal accept Hoyte offer ..he might want to run for T & T now
Post by: Trini Madness on August 16, 2008, 11:42:30 PM
We didn't run down Birchall? Literally, even?

nah, buh der was too much f**kery talk about fake trini like zamora and ting... never seen ah more clear brit, i doh care if he have trini roots... he eh no trini... birchal is ah trini cuz he was proud of he roots... and even if he wasnt really proud and he was playin proud just to get some international sweat, he grow some trini roots while reprisenting us, he came took in the culture off the field and on it he fought like a lion... so really there is a huge difference between him and hoyte.

dize it thread done. Amen.
Title: Re: Arsenal accept Hoyte offer ..he might want to run for T & T now
Post by: Trini _2026 on August 16, 2008, 11:44:01 PM
Hoyte at this present time cannot play infront of Gray or Avery. International ball and club is two different things.

Fack Him !!!!

Sure about that!!!
Title: Re: Arsenal accept Hoyte offer ..he might want to run for T & T now
Post by: Dumplingdinho on August 17, 2008, 01:06:49 AM
birchall is more trini than hoyte, zamora, jlloyd, etc but he is also sensible, he know he will never make an England side so playing for trinidad was his only shot for world cup football.  However, whatever his motivatios were we can only speculate but this much I know, birchall wears the red, black and white with pride and those other f**kers don't care about us so allyuh stop begging, allyuh remind of men who couldn't pull no girls in school but insist on buying them lunch, valentines day card  and getting blank when yuh ask dem to go out but still be the first one to lend ah $10 to travel home when they ask (they really going to visit dey man).
Title: Re: Arsenal accept Hoyte offer ..he might want to run for T & T now
Post by: Sando prince on August 17, 2008, 01:16:14 AM
birchall is more trini than hoyte, zamora, jlloyd, etc but he is also sensible, he know he will never make an England side so playing for trinidad was his only shot for world cup football.  However, whatever his motivatios were we can only speculate but this much I know, birchall wears the red, black and white with pride and those other f**kers don't care about us so allyuh stop begging, allyuh remind of men who couldn't pull no girls in school but insist on buying them lunch, valentines day card  and getting blank when yuh ask dem to go out but still be the first one to lend ah $10 to travel home when they ask (they really going to visit dey man).

 :rotfl: :rotfl: Thank you Sir..
Title: Re: Arsenal accept Hoyte offer ..he might want to run for T & T now
Post by: Jefferz on August 17, 2008, 01:24:26 AM
birchall is more trini than hoyte, zamora, jlloyd, etc but he is also sensible, he know he will never make an England side so playing for trinidad was his only shot for world cup football.  However, whatever his motivatios were we can only speculate but this much I know, birchall wears the red, black and white with pride and those other f**kers don't care about us so allyuh stop begging, allyuh remind of men who couldn't pull no girls in school but insist on buying them lunch, valentines day card  and getting blank when yuh ask dem to go out but still be the first one to lend ah $10 to travel home when they ask (they really going to visit dey man).

stewps. ent.

i remember there bein like three threads about j loyld samuel after we done find out de man cyah play for we.


stewps, i rather play with shitty men that want to and are able to represent our country proudly than some stuck up big talent "roots man" who's logic to play for a bigger team is only surpassed by his ego.


i doh care if drogba and ronaldinho turn up with trini parents, aunts, uncles, brudda in laws, ex girlfriend's, rommates, if dey not thirstin to throw on that red white and black, deh could ride tuh f**k out.

having loyalty and pride is way more satisfying at the end of the day than having the best team possible.
Title: Re: Arsenal accept Hoyte offer ..he might want to run for T & T now
Post by: sammy on August 17, 2008, 05:14:37 AM
allyuh remind of men who couldn't pull no girls in school but insist on buying them lunch, valentines day card  and getting blank when yuh ask dem to go out but still be the first one to lend ah $10 to travel home when they ask (they really going to visit dey man).
:rotfl:

ah find yuh know them intricate details to a tee dey star... :rotfl:
Title: Re: Arsenal accept Hoyte offer ..he might want to run for T & T now
Post by: Dumplingdinho on August 17, 2008, 09:00:25 AM
allyuh remind of men who couldn't pull no girls in school but insist on buying them lunch, valentines day card  and getting blank when yuh ask dem to go out but still be the first one to lend ah $10 to travel home when they ask (they really going to visit dey man).
:rotfl:

ah find yuh know them intricate details to a tee dey star... :rotfl:

lol...one of mih pardners did that from Form 4 till we finish A Levels and doh matter how much we tell the man his game plan not working he still want to be the "girls dem friend" and beg.  Imagine we finish school a good while now and the man still doing that shit with big woman.
Title: Re: Arsenal accept Hoyte offer ..he might want to run for T & T now
Post by: najee on August 17, 2008, 09:04:32 AM
It seem that some guy's with Trinibago root who play in lower class english league seem interested.... not the one's who play top fight in that league...there aim is represent England and not T&T
Title: Re: Arsenal accept Hoyte offer ..he might want to run for T & T now
Post by: frico on August 17, 2008, 10:15:54 AM
Right Sam!Let Hoyte continue try for England WE SHOULD HAVE HIM AND HIS BROTHER FOER 2014.
Title: Re: Arsenal accept Hoyte offer ..he might want to run for T & T now
Post by: jaden on August 18, 2008, 09:46:30 AM
Hoyte eyes England honours
New Boro signing has international dream
Last updated: 18th August 2008

Justin Hoyte hopes his move to Middlesbrough can help his international ambitions.

The 23-year-old right-back finalised his £3million move from Arsenal over the weekend.

Now Hoyte, who spent a successful year on loan at Sunderland earlier in his career, is hopeful his return to the North East will push him into the England reckoning.

"Everyone wants to play for their country and if I perform well I want to move on to the England stage," he said.

"As soon as I knew that Middlesbrough were interested it was a case of coming down, having a look and talking to the manager.

"Everything I was told was what I wanted to hear.

"It was still very strange traveling to a Champions League qualifier and being on the bench for that game and the next day going to training and finding out I was coming to Boro.

"But it's an opportunity to get regular football after not playing as many games as I wanted to at Arsenal. It's a chance to go out and show I can play and hopefully play every week and keep my consistency."

Southgate happy
Meanwhile, manager Gareth Southgate insists he is more than happy with his squad and he has not upped his bid for Reading's James Harper.

Southgate and sources at Boro were quoted about Harper over the weekend, but he says he is happy with his players at the moment.

"We've got a small squad but we believe it's a good one, and I want to keep everybody involved this season," said Southgate.

"I was delighted with the attitude and the character we showed for the Spurs game and I want to have a look at a couple of games before making a final decision.

"I'm pleased to have added Justin Hoyte to the squad, but we have no more bids in at the moment and it may stay that way.

"It may leave us a little bit short, but then we have players who have proved they can play in a number of positions. Villa only had a small squad last season and they finished above us in the table.

"I like the idea of everybody having a chance of playing. On the other hand I do not want to leave us exposed, so it's a situation that needs a lot of thought."
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on August 20, 2008, 05:44:53 PM
Arsenal sign Silvestre from Man Utd.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=564710&sec=england&cc=3888
Title: So arsenal decide they go take we scrape ups?
Post by: SHOTTA on August 21, 2008, 06:29:17 AM
LONDON (AP) - Arsenal signed French defender Mikael Silvestre on a two-year deal from Premier League rival Manchester United on Wednesday.

The 31-year-old Silvestre left Old Trafford after nine years, rejecting a move to Manchester City in favor of the prospect of Champions League football in London.



Silvestre, who missed much of last season with knee ligament damage, is the first player United has sold to the Gunners since Brian Kidd in 1974.

"I've spent a large part of my career at United, the last nine years, and I'll remember that time fondly but feel I'm ready for a new challenge," said Silvestre, who won four league titles at Old Trafford. "Arsenal is known for playing technical and skillful football, and has a young but experienced squad.

"I'm really excited about this next stage of my career, hopefully playing my part in helping the club to new successes."

Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger broke his usual policy of signing young, promising players.

"We have a strong squad but a young squad and Mikael's versatility, experience and caliber will provide the extra depth we need to reinforce our challenge for honors this season," Wenger said. "His defensive adaptability will serve us well and it's a big plus that Mikael has top-level experience and a great understanding of football in the Premier League."

Silvestre struggled to feature in Alex Ferguson's plans at United after fellow French defender Patrice Evra established himself on the left, and Nemanja Vidic and Rio Ferdinand forged a successful partnership in the center.

After joining from Inter Milan in 1999, Silvestre made 361 appearances, scoring 10 times and claiming 10 major titles.

"Mikael was a great servant and a wonderful professional," Ferguson said. "We wish him all the best at his new club and thank him for his service."

Title: Re: So arsenal decide they go take we scrape ups?
Post by: Andre on August 21, 2008, 06:33:39 AM
wha u mean? silvestre is a big player. he play in the world cup for france.

buh me eh like how they moving so cheapy. young player go only take u so far.

they playing for 3rd or 4th again.
Title: Re: So arsenal decide they go take we scrape ups?
Post by: samo on August 21, 2008, 06:36:03 AM
Scraps???? I bet you he purge ManUre before the season done....Go Chelsea!!!
Title: Re: So arsenal decide they go take we scrape ups?
Post by: morvant on August 21, 2008, 06:41:26 AM
so tottenham scrape-ups and aston villa scrape-ups doh count eh fergie
Title: Re: So arsenal decide they go take we scrape ups?
Post by: Pasdah Beatz on August 21, 2008, 07:20:29 AM
yea i didn't understand de move... I figure they want ah cheap, ok, defender, with ah level head tuh keep de youths in check
Title: Re: So arsenal decide they go take we scrape ups?
Post by: SHOTTA on August 21, 2008, 07:26:18 AM
so tottenham scrape-ups and aston villa scrape-ups doh count eh fergie

any player we buy is at the peak or approachin the peak of his athletic prowess

eg Carrick or Yorke

and we does pay good too ;D
Title: Re: So arsenal decide they go take we scrape ups?
Post by: dumpalewie on August 21, 2008, 10:38:25 AM
Actually Silvestre is an upgrade on Hoyte who we just sold!!!
Title: Re: So arsenal decide they go take we scrape ups?
Post by: dinho on August 21, 2008, 10:46:55 AM
geez boy arsenal really scrunting... silvestre??

and he self, the man gone from one bench to the next.

he coulda go sunderland. steups
Title: Re: So arsenal decide they go take we scrape ups?
Post by: Touches on August 21, 2008, 10:57:22 AM
ALyuh bad talk Silvestre...dat is d man who alyuh going and put in alyuh Fantasy league team when Arsenal play Manu and alyuh putting him as Captain.

The red/albino 4ker go score a header and make a assist for Adebayor, watch and see.
Title: Re: So arsenal decide they go take we scrape ups?
Post by: SHOTTA on August 21, 2008, 11:21:32 AM
ALyuh bad talk Silvestre...dat is d man who alyuh going and put in alyuh Fantasy league team when Arsenal play Manu and alyuh putting him as Captain.

The red/albino 4ker go score a header and make a assist for Adebayor, watch and see.


niaevity becomes you young padawan :beermug:

that gallas move last season was luck

arsenal man u evra go captain cuz allyuh cya buss we net ;D
Title: Re: So arsenal decide they go take we scrape ups?
Post by: dinho on August 21, 2008, 11:30:15 AM
ALyuh bad talk Silvestre...dat is d man who alyuh going and put in alyuh Fantasy league team when Arsenal play Manu and alyuh putting him as Captain.

The red/albino 4ker go score a header and make a assist for Adebayor, watch and see.


niaevity becomes you young padawan :beermug:

that gallas move last season was luck

arsenal man u evra go captain cuz allyuh cya buss we net ;D


hold on there fellah, how yuh go give ah novice like touches the credit for the gallas move?!

that was all me son, but ah like how yuh take notes and preparing to copy de move.

No luck in that one.. You can find the rationale in the Pelau Recipe chapter 7...

All de big guns was tie up in super sunday so not much points was there for the taking, and Gallas was on a mission.
Title: Re: So arsenal decide they go take we scrape ups?
Post by: SHOTTA on August 21, 2008, 11:36:58 AM
nah ah know it was u omar ah was jus mentioning the incedent not sharing credit

and it was still luck..........dem super sundays does be some hard weeks to navigate in real
Title: Re: So arsenal decide they go take we scrape ups?
Post by: palos on August 21, 2008, 01:36:14 PM
De BIGGEST SURPRISE to me is dat Wenger sign somebody over 30 years of age.

Not jes dat, he sign him fuh 2 YEARS to boot!
Title: Re: So arsenal decide they go take we scrape ups?
Post by: Andre on August 21, 2008, 01:48:00 PM
good observation palos.

is a french conspiracy.
Title: Re: So arsenal decide they go take we scrape ups?
Post by: giggsy11 on August 21, 2008, 05:03:37 PM
Dey just being their usual cheap self.
Title: Re: So arsenal decide they go take we scrape ups?
Post by: dwn on August 21, 2008, 09:13:55 PM
Actually Silvestre is an upgrade on Hoyte who we just sold!!!

And Senderos! Who I hope will see less playing time as a result.

Arsenal defensive options.

LB: Clichy, Silvestre
RB: Sagna, Eboue,Toure
CB: Toure, Gallas, Silvestre, Djourou, Song, Senderos

Not too bad once players stay fit.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Blue on August 22, 2008, 12:34:43 AM
Arsenal sign Silvestre from Man Utd.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=564710&sec=england&cc=3888

I only now see dis. I find it amazin that Man U wud let such a good player go 2 one of their big rivals. I cud see him being a very big player 4 Arsenal.
Title: Re: So arsenal decide they go take we scrape ups?
Post by: fishs on August 22, 2008, 01:36:15 AM
Actually Silvestre is an upgrade on Hoyte who we just sold!!!

And Senderos! Who I hope will see less playing time as a result.

Arsenal defensive options.

LB: Clichy, Silvestre
RB: Sagna, Eboue,Toure
CB: Toure, Gallas, Silvestre, Djourou, Song, Senderos

Not too bad once players stay fit.

Van Persie will be player of the year book mark this
Title: Re: So arsenal decide they go take we scrape ups?
Post by: rotatopoti3 on August 22, 2008, 01:57:18 AM
hold on there fellah, how yuh go give ah novice like touches the credit for the gallas move?!

nah

Touches   

doe take dat

Omardinho   call yuh ah novice....wha d jail iz this....

Title: Re: So arsenal decide they go take we scrape ups?
Post by: Blue on August 22, 2008, 03:18:22 AM
silvestre is perfect 4 arsenal....experienced and u cudnt ask 4 better cover at left back or centre back...plus he's french so he fittin in one time. cant believe manu let dis one go thru.
Title: Re: So arsenal decide they go take we scrape ups?
Post by: dwn on August 22, 2008, 06:20:19 AM


Van Persie will be player of the year book mark this

I would like nothing more.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Tigger on August 23, 2008, 01:07:00 PM
loss to fulhamamerica

0 points
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on August 23, 2008, 03:27:27 PM
it was always going to be a tall order this season and now made worst by the amount of injuries.
No Fabragas, Rosiky, Diaby, Eduardo, means little depth to draw upon and also no tactical options.
Lets face it Eboue is a right back nothing else, Bendtner not ready (I eh sure he ever will be) and I have real doubts about Walcott as a wide player. If he was not English the media would have been ripping him apart. I would love to see him play upfront and partner Adebayor running behind defenders.
Once again Gallas was caught wanting in his defending, allowing his man to get infront of him to score,
That being said Van Persie and Adebayor missed good chances
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Touches on August 23, 2008, 05:43:46 PM
Arsenal play shit today.

Cant even string 4-5 passes together.

Clichy was leaning up on the post with his hand on his waist and the ball pass right next to him he was lapsin.

Van Persie need a proper worm out and Denilson not ready.

Nasri rip some men though, he and Cesc go be poison.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on August 25, 2008, 10:09:49 AM
senderos to milan? today is not april 1st right?
http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/8488074/A-stroll-through-Italy-and-the-Serie-A
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: supporter on August 25, 2008, 10:25:00 AM
What a gay thread
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: morvant on August 27, 2008, 01:41:29 PM
Arsenal play shit today.

Cant even string 4-5 passes together.

Clichy was leaning up on the post with his hand on his waist and the ball pass right next to him he was lapsin.

Van Persie need a proper worm out and Denilson not ready.

Nasri rip some men though, he and Cesc go be poison.

so said so done. only denilson could do with some castor oil and a bush bath and we good to go

we up 3-0 and bentner cyar pass the salt on ah dinner table

GOOD NEWS ;D

'We were organised, disciplined and focused'
On the performance…

“It was a big game for us and I felt we were well organised, disciplined, focused and basically never really under threat from FC Twente. What was most important was not to make mistakes, be patient and score our goals.

“I felt the whole team was sharper and physically we were much better than on Saturday afternoon. Maybe that is why we made it easier. It was a game that gave us the same problem as in the first game, by man marking us all over the pitch. When they had the ball they didn't take many risks - they were more focused on possession. We had to be well organised because they played a little bit with our patience.

On the return of Cesc Fabregas…


“I believe he brings calm and confidence to the side and overall we had a good balance in the side. He could have stayed on. He was more disappointed Twente didn't really have a go at us; he likes to play. He wants always to play but I took him off because he has just come back from a hamstring and we play again on Saturday. Recovery time will be very short.”

On responding to the weekend defeat…


“The response was clear. It was togetherness, it was consistency and that is what you want on a night like that. We want to play with the best and to do that means qualifying for the Group Stage. There was so much at stake tonight that of course it was a big mental test.”

On going goal crazy…


“We have struggling a little bit for goals but I was never really worried about that because we can create chances. It is difficult when you start the season with a qualifier and in-between you have an international friendly. At that moment the bodies aren't completely ready to absorb all that and you can have a dip a little bit. I felt that on Saturday.”

On Nasri's substitution…


“He had a stomach bug during the game and was sick at half-time. He couldn't go on.”

On central midfield…


“I think Denilson had a good game tonight. We have as well Aaron Ramsey - for me he will be a very good player - and we have Alex Song and we have Abou Diaby. Even Nasri can play central but we have to see.”

On Walcott's performance…


“I feel you have to be patient with Theo, I always say that. He can be decisive in any game against anybody if the team has a good collective display and if you can get him involved. He has improved his first touch, his link play, and that was a vital stage for him. Then without losing his one against one ability, he has worked on his control on the move and looks now to have found the balance between individual play and team play. He is a good finisher. What he did today is really the brand of a good finisher and you cannot teach that. He has that naturally.

On Vela's globetrotting...


“We don't see Vela a lot because he goes to Mexico last week and then goes again next week to Jamaica to play two games. Then he will come back a bit late for the game we play away. But I am confident he will play an important part in the season, but at the moment he is away. He is a top class player.”

 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on August 29, 2008, 07:13:10 AM
I'm posting this article here for all of you who have been parading the "Wenger have no money to spend" and "we have a stadium to pay for" arguments.

Wheel and come again!


Boss Wenger has millions to spend

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/7587530.stm

Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger has millions available to spend on players.

The Gunners have lost Mathieu Flamini, Alexander Hleb and Gilberto since the end of last season - and Wenger had been expected to strengthen his squad.

"If he said 'I want this guy and he's £30m, can I buy him?', the answer is yes. Absolutely yes," revealed Arsenal director Danny Fizsman.


"It's not our decision who Wenger spends money on, nor will it ever be our decision."

   
If Arsene found the right player he would buy him

Arsenal director Danny Fizsman
Arsenal have not won a trophy for three seasons and there have been calls from supporters for Wenger to bolster his squad with some big-money signings.

The Gunners have brought in Samir Nasri from Marseille for £12m and Mikael Silvestre from Manchester United for an undisclosed fee.

But Fizsman added: "There were great expectations and hopes that we would buy heavily this summer.

"We totally back Wenger, it's his decision.

"If Arsene found the right player he would buy that player, but at the moment his hasn't."

And Fizsman admitted that if the Gunners were to buy established players before the transfer window shuts on 1 September, it could cause problems.

"There's a dual problem for him," said the Arsenal director of Wenger.

"If we buy star names, you are talking about relatively mature players who need to be integrated into the way Arsene plays - they don't know our style and it also impacts on the youngsters who have been brought through."
   
606: DEBATE
Should Wenger be spending money?

Wenger recently said in an interview that he wants to develop his first-team players through the youth ranks at the club.

The Frenchman said that he decided on this policy during the club's development of their Emirates Stadium, which opened at the start of the 2006-07 season.

"When we decided to build the stadium I wanted to anticipate the possibility of financial restrictions, so I concentrated on youth," Wenger said in an interview with the Independent newspaper.

"I also felt the best way to create an identity with the way we play football, to get players integrated into our culture, with our beliefs, our values, was to get them as young as possible and to develop them together.

"I felt it would be an interesting experiment to see players grow together with these qualities, and with a love for the club."
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on August 29, 2008, 08:17:25 AM
Vulnerable one ah hope yuh read the article.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: SOBRIQUET on August 29, 2008, 09:36:28 AM
This is about Ego, not money....
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: morvant on August 30, 2008, 11:13:55 AM
van persie now hit ah man ah spanna

and yes that is a  stat
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Giggsy's Chestwig on August 30, 2008, 11:24:29 AM
Vulnerable one ah hope yuh read the article.

Sorry, but it sounds like the Arse board of directors are covering their backsides from the fans.

Its common knowledge that Arsenal have a significant debt with regards to the new stadium and a percentage of transfer money goes towards paying that.

Quote
"If he said 'I want this guy and he's £30m, can I buy him?', the answer is yes. Absolutely yes,"

But they couldn't come up with the 22 million that Zenith wanted for Arshavin...

Riiiiiight.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: FLi ! on August 30, 2008, 05:26:15 PM
van persie now hit ah man ah spanna

and yes that is a  stat

lol....Me and my partner sit down in a pub watch it and any man who accustom hitting spanner could see when it getting set up.

As soon as i see him on the line, I bawl SPANNER!! So said, so done, lol.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on August 30, 2008, 07:35:01 PM
Vintage with a bouquet of spice and smooth elegance ;D
Anybody who watch dat game and like football have to  :applause:

Give jim he washekong
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on August 30, 2008, 08:05:05 PM
allyuh going off or what?

that was de most premeditated spanner i ever see and the defender read it and easily dispossess him.

what was the big deal?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: doc on September 13, 2008, 11:42:55 AM
Like de haters emptied their quiver after matchday 2 ??? :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 18, 2008, 03:16:41 PM
well well its been a while guys

still up here in sunny ole england!

had a wedding, but got the results through text, licks fuh black burn!
struggled away at Kiev but point better than none!

best part, took a tour of the emirates today with none other than Charlie George! yup game winning fa cup goal against liverpool back in 71 (double that year) have pics, spoke with him, really funny cockney geezer who grew up around arsenal. the stadium is tech. the pitch borse. you will not see a divot appear in highbury ever. nor will the pitch ever look like ole trafford when arsenal lost to them in fa cup
signed picture from charlie, silver key ring, and a sweet away kit (yellow) customized name number and prem badge and champs bage on each sleeve.

can't wait to get back into things
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on September 18, 2008, 06:42:06 PM
Like de haters emptied their quiver after matchday 2 ??? :beermug:

haters?

dem does only bother with teams that wins a trophy every now and again  ;)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 20, 2008, 01:44:08 PM
yes 1-3 away to bolton, come on arsenal!

more importantly hope chelsea and man u cancel each other out with a nil nil bore draw
Title: Wenger lauds Arsenal youngsters
Post by: Trini _2026 on September 24, 2008, 08:28:14 AM
Wenger lauds Arsenal youngsters 
BBC Sport

 
Mexican Carlos Vela scored a hat-trick on his full senior debut
Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger says his young team which beat Sheffield United 6-0 in the Carling Cup had a "complete" look despite an average age of 19.

Mexican Carlos Vela, 17, led the scoring with a hat-trick while England's Jack Wilshere, 16, scored his first senior goal for the club.

"We looked like the complete team and I'm very proud of that," Wenger said.

"I'm not as surprised as you because I see them every day but you never know how they'll respond on the big stage."


Wenger, who has admitted the group are the best set of youngsters he has coached, watched as 20-year-old Nicklas Bendtner scored the other two goals in a scintillating performance.

"They just went out there are played with the belief we want them to have and with the spirit we want them to have," Wenger said.

"We want to win the trophy with this team," he added, when asked if he would change the side as he did for the loss to Spurs in the Carling Cup semi-final last season.

"We can of course go all the way and we can win it as well. Why not? These players do not play like kids, they play like people with intelligence, with talent and with spirit."  606: DEBATE
What can I say? Unbelievable stuff

determinedJPSmith

Vela's superb trio gave Wenger a timely reminder of his potential having spent the last 18 months in Spain on loan at Salamanca and Osasuna to gain a work permit.

The teenager has been a hit at international level already having won the golden boot with Mexico as they won the Under-17 World Championships in 2005.

But the way he curled his first goal around United keeper Paddy Kenny, then controlled and chipped him for his second before drilling home his third, will encourage Wenger to hand him his first Premier League start having come on a substitute against Newcastle recently.

Sheffield United's Gary Speed, who at 39 was twice the age of many Arsenal's players, was one of the few United players to emerge from Tuesday night's game with any credit as the Blades were almost bystanders in a footballing lesson.

Boss Kevin Blackwell agreed that his Championship side were simply outclassed.

"They were awesome at times and would have beaten most teams," he said. "We knew they were a good set of lads, but nobody knew how good they were.

"Arsenal are one of the few teams I would pay to watch. I've spoken to Arsene and he's admitted that these are the best single group of players he's had, they're exceptional."

 
Title: Re: Wenger lauds Arsenal youngsters
Post by: Trini _2026 on September 24, 2008, 08:28:36 AM
HIGHLIGHTS

CARLOS VELA IS TROUBLE

http://www.tvgolo.com/football.php?subaction=showfull&id=1222216399&archive=&start_from=&ucat=40&
Title: Re: Wenger lauds Arsenal youngsters
Post by: fatimarima on September 24, 2008, 10:57:56 AM
pure class...very exciting young group
Title: Re: Wenger lauds Arsenal youngsters
Post by: Observer on September 24, 2008, 11:18:09 AM
I is ah old man now so when I watch football I looking for flair, skills, collective passing and individual genius. Yesterday I was thoroughly entertained, so much so I eh even watch no more ball for the day. I did not want to spoil the mood  :applause: Great performance
Title: Re: Wenger lauds Arsenal youngsters
Post by: palos on September 24, 2008, 11:34:41 AM
I is ah old man now so when I watch football I looking for flair, skills, collective passing and individual genius. Yesterday I was thoroughly entertained, so much so I eh even watch no more ball for the day. I did not want to spoil the mood  :applause: Great performance

De 30 mins Arsenal put down after dey went behind against Bolton last weekend was stuff not even Brazil in dey heydays did match.  Dem fellas on a nex football planet entirely.

I doh expect dem to win any trophy's dis year but fork dat!  DIS is some serious football being displayed.  Granted it was only against Bolton but still.......I rather watch football like dis and doh win no trophy dan watch football play like how Chelsea was playin up to las year and win a few.

Dey talk about all that matters is what hardware yuh have.  What yuh win.  I guarantee yuh dat when people look back at des years in de EPL....yes dey will talk about Man Utd incredible EPL trophy winning streak and rightly so.  But they will also talk about Wenger's Arsenal and it will go down as one of the most entertaining teams in the history of football....not just english football, right up there with Puskas' Real Madrid,  Zidane's Real Madrid, Ronaldinho's Barcelona, Baresi's AC Milan etc.  All those teams won titles and as sure as night follows day, Arsenal will win theirs too.  Is jes a matter of time.
Title: Re: Wenger lauds Arsenal youngsters
Post by: Tenorsaw on September 24, 2008, 11:45:03 AM
I is ah old man now so when I watch football I looking for flair, skills, collective passing and individual genius. Yesterday I was thoroughly entertained, so much so I eh even watch no more ball for the day. I did not want to spoil the mood  :applause: Great performance

De 30 mins Arsenal put down after dey went behind against Bolton last weekend was stuff not even Brazil in dey heydays did match.  Dem fellas on a nex football planet entirely.

I doh expect dem to win any trophy's dis year but fork dat!  DIS is some serious football being displayed.  Granted it was only against Bolton but still.......I rather watch football like dis and doh win no trophy dan watch football play like how Chelsea was playin up to las year and win a few.

Dey talk about all that matters is what hardware yuh have.  What yuh win.  I guarantee yuh dat when people look back at des years in de EPL....yes dey will talk about Man Utd incredible EPL trophy winning streak and rightly so.  But they will also talk about Wenger's Arsenal and it will go down as one of the most entertaining teams in the history of football....not just english football, right up there with Puskas' Real Madrid,  Zidane's Real Madrid, Ronaldinho's Barcelona, Baresi's AC Milan etc.  All those teams won titles and as sure as night follows day, Arsenal will win theirs too.  Is jes a matter of time.

Same thing ah tell a partner on Monday.  Ay cyar remember de last time ah see such an onslaught.  It was real bad.  Bolton couldn't see they way.
Title: Re: Wenger lauds Arsenal youngsters
Post by: Trini _2026 on September 24, 2008, 11:51:12 AM
And who say england doh have good players

Jack Wilshere of arsenal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITVSdAzBjXY
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 26, 2008, 08:46:15 AM
just a question but why aren't arsenal related threads put in here?
Title: oh frig.....
Post by: sammy on September 27, 2008, 12:30:51 PM
where the arssanal fornever thread?

Hull 2 - Ass -1

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on September 27, 2008, 12:33:23 PM
What a game...Arsenal were decent... not terrible but Hull's dedication and dont give a f**k attitude was a thing of beauty...

Great game...Great goals from Hull..Deserved victory
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on September 27, 2008, 12:35:04 PM
just a question but why aren't arsenal related threads put in here?

yuh get ure wish.....
wooo boy...dem mods does move fast.
Title: Arsenal today
Post by: Observer on September 27, 2008, 12:35:54 PM
Arsenal deserve to lose today on performance alone.
Yes they created more chances, but overall far too many players were poor today. Adebayor, Eboue, Walcott, Gallas, Van Persie all showed little desire and were all willing to let others do the work. Walcott was back to his 10 bad things for every good one . 3 goals now from corners, hmm! clearly their man marking set up on corners needs reviewing
Title: Re: Arsenal today
Post by: Cocorite on September 27, 2008, 12:37:38 PM
So what was the final score???
Title: Re: Arsenal today
Post by: Cocorite on September 27, 2008, 12:40:18 PM
Ok saw it was Hull 2-1.

Hull is kinda the Golden State Warriors of the EPL, boi?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on September 27, 2008, 12:41:09 PM
A well-deserved loss for Arsenal.  I slept thru the first half and didn't see it... but I can't imagine that I missed much.  From accounts it seemed Hull played them to a standstill there.  However after the shitty scramble goal they fell into a 15-minute spell where I thought they played the game with contempt... as though the win was there for their taking...whenever they wanted it. 

Very nonchalant, even lazy passing and defending... resulting in acres of time and space for Geovanni to shoot...and score.  Incidentally Almunia should have done better at reading the flight of that ball, it wasn't that hard a bullet that he couldn't better shift his feet under him.  Cousin's winner was just a well-taken header... you can fault Gallas for allowing him to get open, but sometiimes good offense beats good defense.   On this play the defense wasn't good, but not all bad.  Just better offense by Cousin.
Title: Re: Arsenal today
Post by: morvant on September 27, 2008, 01:53:44 PM
hull could make it to europe this season

they just wanted it more

eboue iz ah purge wenger

bentner is also a waste. and van persie played too deep
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: D.H.W on September 27, 2008, 02:08:04 PM
 :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Reaper2004 on September 27, 2008, 02:54:18 PM
Never thought I would see a new team from the Championship league who get promoted to the Prem beat the Gunners on their own turf, well done Hull well done.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 27, 2008, 03:28:32 PM
didn't see it but from all accounts

typical c**tish defending, when ever we play a lower team we arrogantly think were are going to stroke the ball around with wanton abondonment. see fullham game.

what a load of shit

well done Hull they really impressing me this season, to be honest i thought they coulda been a bogey side and they are turning out to be that, here's to them repeating the giant killing at manure, chelski and liverfool
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on September 27, 2008, 05:49:26 PM
who laughs last laughs the best.  don't sleep on this hull side b/c they are well-disciplined and play for each other and in geovanni and cousin they have two decent players. i predict that they will scalp one or two more 'big' teams before this is over. good win for them; for the gunners it is on to the next match.
Title: Re: Arsenal today
Post by: Observer on September 27, 2008, 07:02:52 PM
hull could make it to europe this season

they just wanted it more

eboue iz ah purge wenger

bentner is also a waste. and van persie played too deep

Morvant I think it way too early to talk Europe. I feel Hull go boil down like baggie
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on September 27, 2008, 08:07:24 PM
who laughs last laughs the best.  don't sleep on this hull side b/c they are well-disciplined and play for each other and in geovanni and cousin they have two decent players. i predict that they will scalp one or two more 'big' teams before this is over. good win for them; for the gunners it is on to the next match.

Chelski and liverstool.  ;)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Marlon on September 27, 2008, 10:22:47 PM
Always nice to see Arsenal lose. I never hated a team like I do Arsenal >:(
Title: Re: Arsenal today
Post by: Bakes on September 27, 2008, 11:19:39 PM
hull could make it to europe this season

they just wanted it more

eboue iz ah purge wenger

bentner is also a waste. and van persie played too deep

Morvant I think it way too early to talk Europe. I feel Hull go boil down like baggie

Agreed.  The little I've seen of them thus far (two games), they are very disciplined defensively and are an excellently coached team... I'm sure most of these Prem teams are.  Hull players however, really take to the coaching and do a good job keeping shape, tracking back and executing the fundamentals on both ends.  However, I still think they lack enough firepower to withstand a 38 game haul.  They've made a brilliant splash on the scene though and future debutantes would do well to copy their early formula.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on September 28, 2008, 06:39:21 AM
didn't see it but from all accounts

typical c**tish defending, when ever we play a lower team we arrogantly think were are going to stroke the ball around with wanton abondonment. see fullham game.

what a load of shit

well done Hull they really impressing me this season, to be honest i thought they coulda been a bogey side and they are turning out to be that, here's to them repeating the giant killing at manure, chelski and liverfool

The truth is Gallas has been a liability in his defending for three years now. But he is a big name and people never want to single out Gallas. The truth is as a central defender Gallas has cost both Arsenal & France with his lapses.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on September 28, 2008, 06:52:44 AM
didn't see it but from all accounts

typical c**tish defending, when ever we play a lower team we arrogantly think were are going to stroke the ball around with wanton abondonment. see fullham game.

what a load of shit

well done Hull they really impressing me this season, to be honest i thought they coulda been a bogey side and they are turning out to be that, here's to them repeating the giant killing at manure, chelski and liverfool

The truth is Gallas has been a liability in his defending for three years now. But he is a big name and people never want to single out Gallas. The truth is as a central defender Gallas has cost both Arsenal & France with his lapses.
I agree.

He is weak and routinely gets outmusceled in the air. If he would attack the ball on the defensive end with the same fervor as he does on the offensive end he would do better.

They deserved to lose.
Title: Re: Arsenal today
Post by: Observer on September 28, 2008, 07:01:14 AM
What was interesting for me was that Arsenal critics in the British media, have always pointed the finger at Arsenal unwillingness to shoot (which I agree with) and to cross the ball into the penalty area. Well they shot yesterday Fabragas on target a couple of times and Van Persie way off target. Now on the crossing department, Arsenal yesterday rain balls into the penalty area, making them somewhat predictable and most of which were gobbled up by the Hull back line or keeper. I could not help but think why attack Hull this way, after all they played in the Championship where they faced crossing teams day in day out. Hull should be applauded though they defended with discipline & committment and then took their chances.

Bake n Shark I felt Alumina was beaten more by the placement & dip of the shot. In truth I thought it was a great goal.
Title: Re: Arsenal today
Post by: Tallman on September 28, 2008, 07:04:01 AM
Bake n Shark I felt Alumina was beaten more by the placement & dip of the shot. In truth I thought it was a great goal.
Not only did it dip, but it swerve too.
Title: Re: Arsenal today
Post by: Touches on September 28, 2008, 07:55:32 AM
I coulda handle the 1-0

it was a boss goal. But arsenal real 4k up theyself.

Adeyabor coulda score.Vp, Eboue, Walcott Bentner all of them coulda buss the net. They want to walk in the goal.

Steupppssss.
Title: Re: Arsenal today
Post by: dinho on September 28, 2008, 09:10:15 AM
now take in the highlights..

that was goal of the week..

Almunia dive make the string up look good too.

Title: Re: Arsenal today
Post by: morvant on September 28, 2008, 09:25:41 AM
now take in the highlights..

that was goal of the week..

Almunia dive make the string up look good too.



valencia ah tink he name iz fuh wigan now make goal of the week
Title: Re: Arsenal today
Post by: palos on September 28, 2008, 10:43:56 AM
Neither Giovanni's nor Valencia's goal were better than Stern John's goal last week.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on September 28, 2008, 10:45:53 AM
As much as Bendtner is a shithoug, how come Van Persie aint gettin no stick? Whwn was the last time he do anything? He forever pullin stones, always hurt and does thro way more than Adebyoul.  Gunner?
Title: Re: Arsenal today
Post by: dinho on September 28, 2008, 10:48:25 AM
Neither Giovanni's nor Valencia's goal were better than Stern John's goal last week.

well giwwe ah lil video nuh..

that valencia goal was ah correck bullet!!
Title: Re: Arsenal today
Post by: palos on September 28, 2008, 10:53:49 AM
Neither Giovanni's nor Valencia's goal were better than Stern John's goal last week.

well giwwe ah lil video nuh..

that valencia goal was ah correck bullet!!
Been searching for it all week.

Valencia goal was a peach fuh real!
Title: Re: Arsenal today
Post by: Mango Chow! on September 28, 2008, 12:37:45 PM
While it is arguable whether a taller defender (on the gaol line) would have dealt better with Hull's second goal, it isn't the first time i've seen Arsenal concede a goal through fabregas with him being that defender.  Arene9 shoulda learn from the last time that it happened, if not a long time ago.  Yuh doh put short men to cover yuh posts on a corner kick! 
Title: Re: Arsenal today
Post by: palos on September 28, 2008, 12:49:57 PM
While it is arguable whether a taller defender (on the gaol line) would have dealt better with Hull's second goal, it isn't the first time i've seen Arsenal concede a goal through fabregas with him being that defender.  Arene9 shoulda learn from the last time that it happened, if not a long time ago.  Yuh doh put short men to cover yuh posts on a corner kick! 

The tall players are normally busy defending the opposition's tall players

Yuh ever see Kenwyne Jones on de goal line defendin a corner?
Title: Re: Arsenal today
Post by: Bakes on September 28, 2008, 12:52:24 PM

Bake n Shark I felt Alumina was beaten more by the placement & dip of the shot. In truth I thought it was a great goal.


I can't take nutten away from the Geovanni... but it look to me like Almunia misread the flight of the ball.  I didn't notice the swerve that Tallman referred to, so maybe that's what it was...but Almunia def look like he wasn't sure what was going on until too late.  I fault the defense for completely falling asleep on that play, it's almost like they didn't feel threatened by Geovanni.

Towards your point on their offensive ineptitude yesterday...generally I think much of the English criticism of Arsenal is overdone, it's more a matter of English expectations than any fault on Arsenal's part.  Which is to say that the English are just accustomed to teams playing a certain way and Arsene Wenger is more concerned with playing his style of play which is so decidedly continental.  So the criticism is more the product of that, than anything being wrong with how Arsenal play.  That said, Walcott was decent in spurts yesterday, but as is usually the case with him he'd take the ball, run at players and either try and do too much, or not do enough.  He set up the one goal they got with a nice foray to the endline, but too often he overdribbled or dribbled then sent an errant cross/pass into the area.
Title: Re: Arsenal today
Post by: Bakes on September 28, 2008, 12:54:23 PM
While it is arguable whether a taller defender (on the gaol line) would have dealt better with Hull's second goal, it isn't the first time i've seen Arsenal concede a goal through fabregas with him being that defender.  Arene9 shoulda learn from the last time that it happened, if not a long time ago.  Yuh doh put short men to cover yuh posts on a corner kick! 

The tall players are normally busy defending the opposition's tall players

Yuh ever see Kenwyne Jones on de goal line defendin a corner?

Good point.  Other than Gallas allowing Cousin to get away from him for that split second, hard for me to really fault Arsenal on that goal... all credit to Cousin.
Title: Re: Arsenal today
Post by: Mango Chow! on September 28, 2008, 03:15:34 PM
While it is arguable whether a taller defender (on the gaol line) would have dealt better with Hull's second goal, it isn't the first time i've seen Arsenal concede a goal through fabregas with him being that defender.  Arene9 shoulda learn from the last time that it happened, if not a long time ago.  Yuh doh put short men to cover yuh posts on a corner kick! 

The tall players are normally busy defending the opposition's tall players

Yuh ever see Kenwyne Jones on de goal line defendin a corner?

 Not any more than you would see Adebayor doing it, but, like I said......this is not the first time I have seen arsenal concede a goal that passed over fabregas' head that was barley six feet off the ground as it crossed the goal line.  Height is not the only determining factor when it comes to who can jostle for a cross ball or not (as gallas and cousin proved) but the purpose of putting men on the posts is to cover balls the 'keeper can't get to, and you need somebody that is at least of relative height that can play the ball either with his feet or can at least comfortably get to a ball that is between 5 to 6-1/2 feet in the air.  Yuh don't want no leprechaun carrying out goal line duties either.  If it was really only about putting the "taller" players to mark the "taller" opponents, then arsenal would put theo walcott and sagna on the goal line since fabregas is taller than both of them.  Kenwyne Jones is a whole 'nother issue that doesn't apply to what i'm talking about.
Title: Re: Arsenal today
Post by: dinho on September 28, 2008, 03:32:08 PM
the first objective is to have your best and tallest players defending the attacking players in the box..  After all, the corner or set piece is the primary threat..

A header angling into a top corner is really a secondary threat in the scheme of things..

thats why for the most part, the weaker or shorter defenders are put on the goal line because 90% of the time, the person on the goal line isn't involved defensively on a corner..

on ah side note, in fete match football, is normally left back mark left post and right back mark right post no matter how tall or short.. lol
Title: Re: Arsenal today
Post by: jai john on September 28, 2008, 03:43:11 PM
it amazing how men analysing how de goal scored and eh talking bout the opponent . Is Hull Arsenal played !!!  Iy eh no big side ! history was created !! Wenger on his last legs if he eh deliver something this season...allyuh eh find is only next season he ready for ?
Every year ..is next year !
i think the excuse book done now ...de pages all used up ! Touches   like yuh go have to send ah report to Highbury yes ! ..or see if yuh could find back de squirrel.
Title: Re: Arsenal today
Post by: giggsy11 on September 28, 2008, 03:51:58 PM
While it is arguable whether a taller defender (on the gaol line) would have dealt better with Hull's second goal, it isn't the first time i've seen Arsenal concede a goal through fabregas with him being that defender.  Arene9 shoulda learn from the last time that it happened, if not a long time ago.  Yuh doh put short men to cover yuh posts on a corner kick! 

The tall players are normally busy defending the opposition's tall players

Yuh ever see Kenwyne Jones on de goal line defendin a corner?

 Not any more than you would see Adebayor doing it, but, like I said......this is not the first time I have seen arsenal concede a goal that passed over fabregas' head that was barley six feet off the ground as it crossed the goal line.  Height is not the only determining factor when it comes to who can jostle for a cross ball or not (as gallas and cousin proved) but the purpose of putting men on the posts is to cover balls the 'keeper can't get to, and you need somebody that is at least of relative height that can play the ball either with his feet or can at least comfortably get to a ball that is between 5 to 6-1/2 feet in the air.  Yuh don't want no leprechaun carrying out goal line duties either.  If it was really only about putting the "taller" players to mark the "taller" opponents, then arsenal would put theo walcott and sagna on the goal line since fabregas is taller than both of them.  Kenwyne Jones is a whole 'nother issue that doesn't apply to what i'm talking about.


As a goalie you should know.
Title: Re: Arsenal today
Post by: palos on September 28, 2008, 04:09:41 PM
it amazing how men analysing how de goal scored and eh talking bout the opponent . Is Hull Arsenal played !!!  Iy eh no big side ! history was created !! Wenger on his last legs if he eh deliver something this season...allyuh eh find is only next season he ready for ?
Every year ..is next year !
i think the excuse book done now ...de pages all used up ! Touches   like yuh go have to send ah report to Highbury yes ! ..or see if yuh could find back de squirrel.

Interesting.  Arsenal has won more trophies under Wenger than Villareal has in their entire history.
Title: Re: Arsenal today
Post by: Observer on September 28, 2008, 06:31:46 PM
What amazes me is how man does see things. Look at Ramos and Spurs  hailed as the savior and now what? All of a sudden he is a bad coach? Notice dem Spurs fans who was bumping dem gums about Arsenal, eh even making an appearance. Football will always have surprises and upsets that is why we love it.
 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 28, 2008, 08:20:03 PM
didn't see it but from all accounts

typical c**tish defending, when ever we play a lower team we arrogantly think were are going to stroke the ball around with wanton abondonment. see fullham game.

what a load of shit

well done Hull they really impressing me this season, to be honest i thought they coulda been a bogey side and they are turning out to be that, here's to them repeating the giant killing at manure, chelski and liverfool

The truth is Gallas has been a liability in his defending for three years now. But he is a big name and people never want to single out Gallas. The truth is as a central defender Gallas has cost both Arsenal & France with his lapses.
I agree.

He is weak and routinely gets outmusceled in the air. If he would attack the ball on the defensive end with the same fervor as he does on the offensive end he would do better.

They deserved to lose.
i don't say this publicly but i will

i want toure as captain, gallas has pulled us out when we need a goal manytimes he has, but it doesn't pay off the debt of goals he has cost us

charlie george didnt say it but we need a better center half, galla sover 30 now so is one year contracts for him

arsenal should have started with song and bendnter but they played mid week in carling cup, seriously, wilshire n ramsay should been let in too as they hungry to prove

thats 6 lost points where we played either lazy or arrogantly as though the conclusion was predetermined, and this shit about ball watching and letting men get away from you in the box has got to be cut out!

just watched the high lights

geovanni goal great strike, but wtf are we thinking when u give a guy liek that room at the top of the box???
and cousin goal he lost his marker and still had 4 of us floundering, and why put short ppl on the line????

big up hull i love seeing gutsy smart simple football, hope we tape a page out of thier book
Title: Re: Arsenal today
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 29, 2008, 10:46:55 AM
What amazes me is how man does see things. Look at Ramos and Spurs  hailed as the savior and now what? All of a sudden he is a bad coach? Notice dem Spurs fans who was bumping dem gums about Arsenal, eh even making an appearance. Football will always have surprises and upsets that is why we love it.
 

perfectly put observer, bravo

arsenal deserved that defeat, what burns most is the coward sharks in the wings waiting to pounce on arsenal, "i never hated a football side as much as arsenal" are usually the other "big" teams threatedned by arsenal, i am quite enjoying spurs proping up the table buti doubt it will last the season, hope ramos does to, as for wenger, he aint going no where fellas dispite 3 trophyless years, he built the club to where it is today in his 12 years there, so trust me he far from over.
Title: Re: Arsenal today
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 29, 2008, 10:48:13 AM
it amazing how men analysing how de goal scored and eh talking bout the opponent . Is Hull Arsenal played !!!  Iy eh no big side ! history was created !! Wenger on his last legs if he eh deliver something this season...allyuh eh find is only next season he ready for ?
Every year ..is next year !
i think the excuse book done now ...de pages all used up ! Touches   like yuh go have to send ah report to Highbury yes ! ..or see if yuh could find back de squirrel.

Interesting.  Arsenal has won more trophies under Wenger than Villareal has in their entire history.

only thing that reply missing was an audio of ah street fighter, haduken!
Title: Re: Arsenal today
Post by: jai john on September 29, 2008, 10:50:59 AM
it amazing how men analysing how de goal scored and eh talking bout the opponent . Is Hull Arsenal played !!!  Iy eh no big side ! history was created !! Wenger on his last legs if he eh deliver something this season...allyuh eh find is only next season he ready for ?
Every year ..is next year !
i think the excuse book done now ...de pages all used up ! Touches   like yuh go have to send ah report to Highbury yes ! ..or see if yuh could find back de squirrel.

Interesting.  Arsenal has won more trophies under Wenger than Villareal has in their entire history.

Palos ah go have to start posting in bigger print because you does always seem to miss de point .....
let me quote something for you .... "Arsenal captain William Gallas has told his teammates that complacency this season against teams such as Hull will leave them empty handed again "
Yuh get de point here ??? Arsenal last won a Cup in 2005. The pressure on these teams are not the same as for teams like Villareal. Chelsea coach reached the final in Europe and was sacked ! Del Bosque won La Liga and was sacked ! yuh want me to go on ??? You are as good as your last result. Long time story doh count if the club has high expectations ! Is big money now. New stadium etc. the investors want results. Results like that against Hull will put pressure on Wenger.
Is it so difficult to see that ?
Villareal will come under pressure soon but for different reasons ...no way Pellegrini will go unnoticed for much longer. Investors will wonder what is possible if he was given a bigger budget, better players etc.
Dont forget much is expected from those to whom much is given ..you want to know if Arsenal is under pessure ...let me give you another quote .... " Wenger was once sick following a match in France, and after defeat to Hull he added, there are ceratinly enough ingredients in the game today to make me physically sick again. "
Now tell me ....Villareal eh win no trophy but who under pressure ?
Title: Re: Arsenal today
Post by: dinho on September 29, 2008, 11:02:05 AM
ok this is getting out of hand now...

why hasn't this thread been put in the garbage bin ARSENAL FOREVER thread?
Title: Re: Arsenal today
Post by: sammy on September 29, 2008, 05:38:41 PM
Gunners boss stomachs upset
by RivalsDM


Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger concedes Saturday's Premier League home defeat to new-boys Hull City left him feeling 'physically sick'.

http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/8620272/Gunners-boss-stomachs-upset#


man now realize that he side jus sickening yes
 ::)
Title: Re: Arsenal today
Post by: Touches on September 29, 2008, 05:49:37 PM
What was sickening was d phantom penalty manu get on sat.
Title: Re: Arsenal today
Post by: sammy on September 29, 2008, 06:39:59 PM
What was sickening was d phantom penalty manu get on sat.

u mean like all the unnecessary yellows the sickening ref gave to Utd the week b4 which clearly frustrated our players?

Anyhow, dont beat up on us.....just because ure own manager thinks like a utd fan and finds assanal sickening  ;D
Title: Re: Arsenal today
Post by: skins on September 30, 2008, 08:16:23 AM
The odd was 599-1 if hull came back from 1-0 down the beat arsenal...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 30, 2008, 04:58:42 PM
helllllooooooooooo? where all d haters gone?

arsenal 4-0 porto nil
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: morvant on September 30, 2008, 05:04:02 PM
we play ah beautiful 60mins b4 bentner and eboue come on

on a bright side we gave them no room near the box

and we keeper safe
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on September 30, 2008, 08:34:46 PM
Cooooome onnnnn....

porto is no Hull  ;)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on October 01, 2008, 09:43:37 AM
Cooooome onnnnn....

porto is no Hull  ;)

sammy yuh jack ass nice one lol
hull is an example of the kinda teams that make the FA Cup a great cup because sometimes a lil bit of skill with tons of heart and teamwork goes a long way
Title: Re: Arsenal today
Post by: GunnerStunner on October 01, 2008, 09:44:08 AM
The odd was 599-1 if hull came back from 1-0 down the beat arsenal...

odd are you never placed that bet
Title: Re: Arsenal today
Post by: 100% Barataria on October 01, 2008, 09:45:13 AM
Need two threads to talk about Arsenal?
Title: Re: Arsenal today
Post by: GunnerStunner on October 01, 2008, 10:53:23 AM
nope but i is not a mod and sent them ah message already

but when yuh ask them publicly about they tardyness they want to abuse you

so let them be, i guess is a side effect of being around jack warner
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on October 01, 2008, 08:13:53 PM
Cooooome onnnnn....

porto is no Hull  ;)

sammy yuh jack ass nice one lol
hull is an example of the kinda teams that make the FA Cup a great cup because sometimes a lil bit of skill with tons of heart and teamwork goes a long way

dat cud carry a long long way yes! - no fear 
look at  cluj vs chelsea today..... and if only shaktar could've held on a bit longer today.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on October 03, 2008, 11:09:46 AM
bring on sunderland

sorry yorkie nd since carlos on loan and jonesy still recovering i hope we poison them, dim thier lights etc, but chopra and has a bee in his bonnet and ready to repay the club for thier patience with him

and keane would expect nothing less than 100% commitment from his team especially at home, so they will be going at arsenal.

once arsenl keeps thier head, keeps the ball draws sunderland out then we should be able to put at least 3 past gordon
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on October 04, 2008, 12:59:18 PM
hmmmm 

a couple of hours gone and no assanals eh post yet..... :rotfl: 

always does the body good to see assanal drop points  ;)

all credit to sunderland....and yorkie!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on October 04, 2008, 01:05:31 PM
Arsenal is ah team full of skillful midgets!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on October 04, 2008, 01:10:00 PM
Talk about a yawner of a game. I switched off after 30 minutes. :sleepy:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on October 04, 2008, 02:17:21 PM
Arsenal were lucky that Fabregas saved them after giving up such a late goal.


Only saw the highlights.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on October 04, 2008, 02:38:40 PM
Arsenal were lucky that Fabregas saved them after giving up such a late goal.


Only saw the highlights.

we deserved a goal esp after the disalloud goal, even roy keane said it was a goal and it took a speacil goal to beat almunia, just like it took hull two special goals.

suderland played well and need to stay up like hull
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: WestCoast on October 04, 2008, 02:50:34 PM
Arsenal were lucky that Fabregas saved them after giving up such a late goal.
Only saw the highlights.
we deserved a goal esp after the disalloud goal, even roy keane said it was a goal and it took a speacil goal to beat almunia, just like it took hull two special goals.
suderland played well and need to stay up like hull
yeah that disallowed arsenal goal was good
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/match_of_the_day/7652867.stm
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on October 04, 2008, 05:53:26 PM
Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger:
"Sunderland tried just to defend for 90 minutes, playing the whole game with 10 men behind the ball.

"It was attack versus defence in one half of the pitch and we were not sharp enough to make the difference.

"We tried to go for it from the first minute to the last minute. It is amazing to see the difference in possession between the teams."



cry me a river....   :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on October 04, 2008, 06:09:15 PM
Arsenal were lucky that Fabregas saved them after giving up such a late goal.


Only saw the highlights.

we deserved a goal esp after the disalloud goal, even roy keane said it was a goal and it took a speacil goal to beat almunia, just like it took hull two special goals.

suderland played well and need to stay up like hull

Didn't see it... didn't make the highlight reel.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: takenoprisoners on October 04, 2008, 08:19:48 PM
Arsenal were lucky that Fabregas saved them after giving up such a late goal.


Only saw the highlights.

we deserved a goal esp after the disalloud goal, even roy keane said it was a goal and it took a speacil goal to beat almunia, just like it took hull two special goals.

suderland played well and need to stay up like hull

Didn't see it... didn't make the highlight reel.

Clearly a good goal ..... dems de breaks.
http://www.fliggo.com/video/FpO2aSwq
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on October 04, 2008, 09:27:59 PM

Clearly a good goal ..... dems de breaks.
http://www.fliggo.com/video/FpO2aSwq


Thanks for the link... yeah, didn't look to me as though the ball went out.  If the ball didn't go out then the goal should have stood.  Not only did it affect the final score, but probably affected the game itself, Arsenal might have defended diffrently in the 85' with a one-goal advantage (which is to say they may not have been as attack-minded, leaving themselves vulnerable).

I find that there is far too many officiating controversies in just this past 7 weeks of action in the EPL.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on October 04, 2008, 09:35:06 PM

Clearly a good goal ..... dems de breaks.
http://www.fliggo.com/video/FpO2aSwq


Thanks for the link... yeah, didn't look to me as though the ball went out.  If the ball didn't go out then the goal should have stood.  Not only did it affect the final score, but probably affected the game itself, Arsenal might have defended diffrently in the 85' with a one-goal advantage (which is to say they may not have been as attack-minded, leaving themselves vulnerable).

I find that there is far too many officiating controversies in just this past 7 weeks of action in the EPL.

yea i got no beef everyone knows it should have stood. leadbitter strike was awefrickinsome the kid is a locallad and cried after he scored.

as for officiating cockups, don't tell me human eroor blah blah, we have the technology, doh tell me time wasted on result vs flow of game, we waste enough time with million pound a year footballers diving all over the pitch and feigning injury (most embarrasing aspect of world soccer) in treating and removing them from the pitch. reffs need a frickin revolution.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on October 04, 2008, 09:40:54 PM
Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger:
"Sunderland tried just to defend for 90 minutes, playing the whole game with 10 men behind the ball.

"It was attack versus defence in one half of the pitch and we were not sharp enough to make the difference.

"We tried to go for it from the first minute to the last minute. It is amazing to see the difference in possession between the teams."



cry me a river....   :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
the man was asked questions about the teams performance after each game he gives an honest reply and to you haters he's complaining, fact is he's telling you his opinionbased on the facts he saw live infront of him at pitch level.
so based on your comment every manager cries a river after a loss or draw.

plus you will never have anything good to say about arsenal, they could go the whole of champs league and conceed only one goal and win the champs league and you would still be negative, they could win carling cup still negative win every flickin thing and stil negative, at least come with some relevant constructive critisim
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on October 04, 2008, 11:06:36 PM
the man was asked questions about the teams performance after each game he gives an honest reply and to you haters he's complaining, fact is he's telling you his opinionbased on the facts he saw live infront of him at pitch level.
so based on your comment every manager cries a river after a loss or draw.

plus you will never have anything good to say about arsenal, they could go the whole of champs league and conceed only one goal and win the champs league and you would still be negative, they could win carling cup still negative win every flickin thing and stil negative, at least come with some relevant constructive critisim


Then why dignify the nonsense with a response?  It should be clear by now that she only purpose in this thread is to get your attention and get a rise out of you.  I could never understand this passive-aggressive Tobago love business.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on October 04, 2008, 11:50:35 PM
Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger:
"Sunderland tried just to defend for 90 minutes, playing the whole game with 10 men behind the ball.

"It was attack versus defence in one half of the pitch and we were not sharp enough to make the difference.

"We tried to go for it from the first minute to the last minute. It is amazing to see the difference in possession between the teams."



cry me a river....   :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
the man was asked questions about the teams performance after each game he gives an honest reply and to you haters he's complaining, fact is he's telling you his opinionbased on the facts he saw live infront of him at pitch level.
so based on your comment every manager cries a river after a loss or draw.

plus you will never have anything good to say about arsenal, they could go the whole of champs league and conceed only one goal and win the champs league and you would still be negative, they could win carling cup still negative win every flickin thing and stil negative, at least come with some relevant constructive critisim

now if i was constructive, then what kind of a hater would that make me?

Then why dignify the nonsense with a response?  It should be clear by now that she only purpose in this thread is to get your attention and get a rise out of you.  I could never understand this passive-aggressive Tobago love business.

and you could hull yuh ass..
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kev on October 05, 2008, 12:40:53 AM

Clearly a good goal ..... dems de breaks.
http://www.fliggo.com/video/FpO2aSwq


Thanks for the link... yeah, didn't look to me as though the ball went out.  If the ball didn't go out then the goal should have stood.  Not only did it affect the final score, but probably affected the game itself, Arsenal might have defended diffrently in the 85' with a one-goal advantage (which is to say they may not have been as attack-minded, leaving themselves vulnerable).

I find that there is far too many officiating controversies in just this past 7 weeks of action in the EPL.

yea i got no beef everyone knows it should have stood. leadbitter strike was awefrickinsome the kid is a locallad and cried after he scored.

as for officiating cockups, don't tell me human eroor blah blah, we have the technology, doh tell me time wasted on result vs flow of game, we waste enough time with million pound a year footballers diving all over the pitch and feigning injury (most embarrasing aspect of world soccer) in treating and removing them from the pitch. reffs need a frickin revolution.

I think that more to do with recently losing his father.

As for the other goal, its fine with replays but I can understand how the linesman can get it wrong on that even though TV couldn't really prove it either way.  Its one of those that could of gone either way and you just have to shrug your shoulders and get on with it.  No way near as bad as some of the blatant ones that go on week in week out.   The ref was awful give some weird decision both ways booked 8 players and there was hardly a iffy tackle in the whole match. 

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on October 05, 2008, 08:31:07 AM
Aresene9 always calling for 'technology' when shite goes against he team! Why he aint call for a smaller ego so he team can see dey wey. And while he at it try and buy less midgets for the team!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: WestCoast on October 05, 2008, 08:47:51 AM
I find that there is far too many officiating controversies in just this past 7 weeks of action in the EPL.
ya forget this post of yours
Wait, I now reading dis thing again..."Former Premier League referee Graham Poll..."
 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Graham Poll DARE put he name near anything having to do with poor officiating/officiating mistakes?   
I di'n even know dey fire him, lol
I think that there have been way too many shitty calls EVERY year....and Football as a whole does not want to do something CONCRETE about it....
like using replays
as one forumite said, one set of players does feign injury/fouls, swan dive boy  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1LiWYJswZw) come to mind,  and stop the flow of the game.
now if football was to clamp down on such Tomfoolery, maybe the time could be used to deal with legitimate issues like replays
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on October 05, 2008, 01:51:08 PM
I find that there is far too many officiating controversies in just this past 7 weeks of action in the EPL.
ya forget this post of yours
Wait, I now reading dis thing again..."Former Premier League referee Graham Poll..."
 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Graham Poll DARE put he name near anything having to do with poor officiating/officiating mistakes?   
I di'n even know dey fire him, lol
I think that there have been way too many shitty calls EVERY year....and Football as a whole does not want to do something CONCRETE about it....
like using replays
as one forumite said, one set of players does feign injury/fouls, swan dive boy  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1LiWYJswZw) come to mind,  and stop the flow of the game.
now if football was to clamp down on such Tomfoolery, maybe the time could be used to deal with legitimate issues like replays

very simple fifa puts its footdown trains refferees and matter done
wenger suggested youeven give manager two video recal request per game therefore you dont have every call querried
makes reasonable sense
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: morvant on October 10, 2008, 12:15:18 PM
skysports.com

Cesc Fabregas has told Spanish radio that he will assess his future at the end of the season.

The Spanish star has also admitted that a return to Barcelona would be a 'dream come true'.

Fabregas admitted he opted to stay at Emirates over the summer following his success at Euro 2008 with Spain.

The midfield schemer claims he stayed for the sole reason to try and win trophies at Arsenal, as so far during his five-year Gunners career he has picked up just one medal after lifting the FA Cup in 2005.

Now he is determined to pick up some silverware this term, but admits he will then look at his options.

"Right now I'm fine at Arsenal but I cannot deny that to return and play for Barca would be a dream come true," he told Catalan based station RAC 1.

"I chose to stay at the club last summer and right now I'm totally focused on the reason for that decision which was to try and win trophies.

"We'll see how things have gone by the end of the season.

"The fact is that Barca are playing cinematic football right now and it's fantastic to see that the other day when they beat Atletico Madrid 6-1 they had seven or eight guys who, like me, came through the club's youth system."
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: rotatopoti3 on October 10, 2008, 12:30:22 PM
Barca are playing cinematic football

Cesc it have nuff cinema in London..with all dat money Arse anal paying yuh...ah sure yuh could rent out one for yuhself. ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on October 10, 2008, 01:01:37 PM
skysports.com

Cesc Fabregas has told Spanish radio that he will assess his future at the end of the season.

The Spanish star has also admitted that a return to Barcelona would be a 'dream come true'.

Fabregas admitted he opted to stay at Emirates over the summer following his success at Euro 2008 with Spain.

The midfield schemer claims he stayed for the sole reason to try and win trophies at Arsenal, as so far during his five-year Gunners career he has picked up just one medal after lifting the FA Cup in 2005.

Now he is determined to pick up some silverware this term, but admits he will then look at his options.

"Right now I'm fine at Arsenal but I cannot deny that to return and play for Barca would be a dream come true," he told Catalan based station RAC 1.

"I chose to stay at the club last summer and right now I'm totally focused on the reason for that decision which was to try and win trophies.

"We'll see how things have gone by the end of the season.

"The fact is that Barca are playing cinematic football right now and it's fantastic to see that the other day when they beat Atletico Madrid 6-1 they had seven or eight guys who, like me, came through the club's youth system."


These things come up at every international break. When there's an international break the press hot like the transfer window. Players getting linked all over the place and quotes coming up from everwhere.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on October 11, 2008, 02:02:09 PM
skysports.com

Cesc Fabregas has told Spanish radio that he will assess his future at the end of the season.

The Spanish star has also admitted that a return to Barcelona would be a 'dream come true'.

Fabregas admitted he opted to stay at Emirates over the summer following his success at Euro 2008 with Spain.

The midfield schemer claims he stayed for the sole reason to try and win trophies at Arsenal, as so far during his five-year Gunners career he has picked up just one medal after lifting the FA Cup in 2005.

Now he is determined to pick up some silverware this term, but admits he will then look at his options.

"Right now I'm fine at Arsenal but I cannot deny that to return and play for Barca would be a dream come true," he told Catalan based station RAC 1.

"I chose to stay at the club last summer and right now I'm totally focused on the reason for that decision which was to try and win trophies.

"We'll see how things have gone by the end of the season.

"The fact is that Barca are playing cinematic football right now and it's fantastic to see that the other day when they beat Atletico Madrid 6-1 they had seven or eight guys who, like me, came through the club's youth system."


These things come up at every international break. When there's an international break the press hot like the transfer window. Players getting linked all over the place and quotes coming up from everwhere.

yeah jus like CR7 was going real madrid

allyuh fuhget d man undercontract, IF he goes is real huge dollars arsenal will recieve
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on October 11, 2008, 02:11:22 PM
Hleb hoping for Fabregas reunion

http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/8662996/Hleb-hoping-for-Fabregas-reunion (http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/8662996/Hleb-hoping-for-Fabregas-reunion)

Spain international Fabregas revealed earlier this week that he would one day like to return to Barca, the club he left to join Arsenal in 2003, and for Hleb that day cannot come soon enough.

Hleb moved to Barca this summer after three seasons at the Gunners, and the Belarus ace would be delighted if the highly-coveted Fabregas followed suit.

"We get on very well on and off the pitch. For me he is like a brother. We call each other a lot to talk about things," Hleb said in El Mundo Deportivo.

"He tells me he misses me at Arsenal and, without wanting to detract from anyone, I would love it if he came to Barca to be a part of all this.

"I don't stop insisting that he should return to Barca and he doesn't stop insisting that he is very happy at Arsenal and with Arsene Wenger.

"I will keep boring him until he changes his mind. If in the end he listens to me, I think it would be great for Barcelona."
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on October 11, 2008, 02:39:24 PM
Hleb hoping for Fabregas reunion

http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/8662996/Hleb-hoping-for-Fabregas-reunion (http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/8662996/Hleb-hoping-for-Fabregas-reunion)

Spain international Fabregas revealed earlier this week that he would one day like to return to Barca, the club he left to join Arsenal in 2003, and for Hleb that day cannot come soon enough.

Hleb moved to Barca this summer after three seasons at the Gunners, and the Belarus ace would be delighted if the highly-coveted Fabregas followed suit.

"We get on very well on and off the pitch. For me he is like a brother. We call each other a lot to talk about things," Hleb said in El Mundo Deportivo.

"He tells me he misses me at Arsenal and, without wanting to detract from anyone, I would love it if he came to Barca to be a part of all this.


"I don't stop insisting that he should return to Barca and he doesn't stop insisting that he is very happy at Arsenal and with Arsene Wenger.

"I will keep boring him until he changes his mind. If in the end he listens to me, I think it would be great for Barcelona."

awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.....  :heehee:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on October 13, 2008, 10:58:29 AM
i warms my heart daily to see the hater manu and chelski and some liverpool fans but majorly manu fans show towards arsenal and thier fans

get it right manu fans because yousupport a great team does not

1 make you great
2 make you an authority on football
3 make you any better than anyother fan of anyother club

have a happy day and pray they keep fergie in life support cus he cyar live forever

and pray real doh poach yuh flam boy CR7
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on October 13, 2008, 11:17:26 AM
skysports.com

Cesc Fabregas has told Spanish radio that he will assess his future at the end of the season.

The Spanish star has also admitted that a return to Barcelona would be a 'dream come true'.

Fabregas admitted he opted to stay at Emirates over the summer following his success at Euro 2008 with Spain.

The midfield schemer claims he stayed for the sole reason to try and win trophies at Arsenal, as so far during his five-year Gunners career he has picked up just one medal after lifting the FA Cup in 2005.

Now he is determined to pick up some silverware this term, but admits he will then look at his options.

"Right now I'm fine at Arsenal but I cannot deny that to return and play for Barca would be a dream come true," he told Catalan based station RAC 1.

"I chose to stay at the club last summer and right now I'm totally focused on the reason for that decision which was to try and win trophies.

"We'll see how things have gone by the end of the season.

"The fact is that Barca are playing cinematic football right now and it's fantastic to see that the other day when they beat Atletico Madrid 6-1 they had seven or eight guys who, like me, came through the club's youth system."


These things come up at every international break. When there's an international break the press hot like the transfer window. Players getting linked all over the place and quotes coming up from everwhere.

yeah jus like CR7 was going real madrid

allyuh fuhget d man undercontract, IF he goes is real huge dollars arsenal will recieve

I think he's under contract till 2014? And repeatedly stating that he's happy where he is.
Anyway, if he is to be sold, Man City would price Barca out of it. And he isn't going to City.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on October 14, 2008, 06:21:50 AM
everton on saturday

and van perise get injured in training for holland so he miss dey game

come back soon eduardo
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on October 14, 2008, 06:26:47 AM
everton on saturday

and van perise get injured in training for holland so he miss dey game

come back soon eduardo

Van Persie declared himself fit for Holland tomorrow (Wednesday)
Hopefully they keep him on the bench
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on October 15, 2008, 09:52:18 AM
Gael Clichy has revealed how a conversation with Arsenal legend Dennis Bergkamp instilled him with the belief that he could succeed in North London.

The 23-year-old has made the left-back position his own at Emirates Stadium since Ashley Cole departed the club for rivals Chelsea in 2006.

Bergkamp, who now holds a coaching role at Ajax, spent 11 years with the Gunners, and Clichy has explained the Dutchman made a lasting impact on him.

The France defender told L'Equipe: "I will never forget what Dennis Bergkamp told me. It was in 2005 when I was injured. I had doubts and I didn't feel fine.

"Bergkamp is a great man that doesn't talk a lot. One day he came to see me and asked how long it would take for me to recover. I told him I didn't know.

"He watched Ashley Cole, who was also having a treatment, and finally said: 'Come back soon, and if you succeed, you will get his position.'

"Dennis and Ashley are friends, but that simple sentence was so good to me. I held on, and then I recovered quickly."
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on October 17, 2008, 10:07:48 AM
Robin van Persie and Cesc Fabregas have been passed fit to face Everton at Emirates Stadium on Saturday.

The Spaniard broke his nose against Belgium on Wednesday and the Dutchman was struggling with a muscular problem but Arsène Wenger confirmed that both are available for selection against the Toffees.

Johan Djourou will miss the game after suffering concussion while playing for Switzerland last Saturday. Abou Diaby is available for the first time this season.

Despite a lengthy injury list, Wenger admitted that he may rest Theo Walcott after the winger played 79 minutes for England on Wednesday night.

“Fabregas and Van Persie will be available,” said the Frenchman at his pre-match press conference. “Walcott has come back available but I might rest him because he played on Wednesday night in Minsk. For everybody else there is no news.

“Djourou has concussion from the first game and we were a bit cautious when he came back but he is out, we do not want to take any chances. Gallas and Bendtner are the two players who got injured during the international break and are not available.

“We have one bit of good news though which is Diaby being back. I hope that the good news is that Gallas, Sagna and Bendtner are not long-term injuries, the only long term ones are Eduardo and Rosicky.”
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on October 18, 2008, 10:57:18 AM
phew

after a shitty first half we rallied back to win the game 3-1

i on almost meh last straw with flow
went by a fren to watch the game and 5 min before cable in the area gone out, after ten min on d phoen they say it wil be back in 20min
uptil half time they couldn't say what the prob was i sick of flow and they want yuh tuh put yuh cable internet and phone wit them???

steupse
anyway wa shave champs league on tue lets see whos fresh n fit? plenty games to play in the stretch to xmas and no more international games i think
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on October 18, 2008, 11:44:37 AM
phew

after a shitty first half we rallied back to win the game 3-1


   .......Even tho allyuh wasn't "playin well" I never really felt this game was going to get away from allyuh.  Was gettin' a fair amount of chances and would have been even up by 1 or 2 had it not been for Tim Howard.  The pressure was still putting Everton's defense on their heels and I felt it was only going to be a matter of time.  Kolo Toure's injury did make me feel that it might have given Everton an opening but, alas, it didn't.  I hope he recovers well, though.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: morvant on October 18, 2008, 11:46:02 AM
i think the ball going out for a trow more effective that a pass to eboue

good game tho
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on October 18, 2008, 11:58:04 AM
i think the ball going out for a trow more effective that a pass to eboue

good game tho

That is one african ah cyah STAND!!Me eh know HOW any player could be such a imps!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on October 18, 2008, 12:38:25 PM
i think the ball going out for a trow more effective that a pass to eboue

good game tho

That is one african ah cyah STAND!!Me eh know HOW any player could be such a imps!

really hope we get yaya toure
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on October 21, 2008, 10:22:45 AM
so the inury list continues


 William Gallas
Monday, October 20, 2008
William Gallas missed the game against Everton and will not return against Fenerbahce after picking up a hamstring injury while on international duty with France.

Kolo Toure
Monday, October 20, 2008
Kolo Toure suffered ligament damage to his shoulder during the first half of the game against Everton and will not play against Fenerbahce.

Bacary Sagna
Monday, October 20, 2008
Bacary Sagna missed the game against Everton and will not return against Fenerbahce after picking up a knee injury while on international duty with France.

Nicklas BendtnerMonday, October 20, 2008
Nicklas Bendtner fit to face Fenerbahce. He missed the Everton game after picking up an ankle injury while on international duty with Denmark.

 Tomas Rosicky
Friday, October 17, 2008
Wenger hopes to have his Czech midfielder back before the New Year. Speaking on October 2 he said: "I monitor Rosicky's progress very closely but at the moment it is very difficult to put a date on his comeback. We are not pessimistic about the future of his career but we still need more patience. If he comes back before Christmas we have done very well but I think we can achieve that, that in December he can play again."

Eduardo
Friday, October 17, 2008
The striker is continuing his recovery from a fractured leg. Speaking on October 2, Wenger said: "Eduardo is doing very well but is not close to play. Eduardo will be OK before Christmas, of course."


anyway squad list for tonight

Almunia (c), Song, Silvestre, Clichy, Eboue, Fabregas, Denilson, Nasri, Diaby, Walcott, Van Persie, Adebayor, Fabianski, Vela, Ramsey, Gibbs, Hoyte, Bendtner, Djourou.


Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: morvant on October 21, 2008, 04:33:40 PM
diaby aka el diablo put in ah friggin great shift today

hope he fullin eboue spot
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on October 21, 2008, 06:37:49 PM
he's a dan... touches for days... and from the looks of it he seems to have worked on his finishing. 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on October 22, 2008, 07:48:00 AM
diaby aka el diablo put in ah friggin great shift today

hope he fullin eboue spot

It would be a waste to put Diaby on the wing like last year. He's the best CM to partner Fabregas. Wasn't very defensive yesterday, but that wasn't his role. He can be a box-to-box midfielder like Flamini, just better going forward.

Eboue is just filling in on the RW as a utility player .... whenever Rosicky is back or Theo is ready to play 90 mins every week, I think Eboue would go back to being a 2nd choice Right Back. And a good one at that.

The weak link yesterday was Alex Song. Too slow. Was at fault for the Sunderland goal when he played in midfield, him and Denilson at fault for Everton when he played RB, and not that convincing as a CB yesterday.
Hopefully Gallas, Toure, Sagna and Djourou will keep him on the bench.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on October 22, 2008, 01:27:38 PM
i feel silvestre stil lgetting salary from man u

dat man was all sixes and nines fuh everton goal and he poke in ah own goal yesterday? last man tuh do dat was jose reyes.

diaby is similar to patrick viera whooaaaaa

we almost have too many midfield options when rosicky back

wenger hadda alternate games with 4-4-2 or 4-5-1 or 4-3-3

yesterday was 4-5-1

think of the mid filed options; nasri, cesc, denilson, diaby, ramsey, rosicky when he fixed

forwards; ade, robin, vela, wallcott, eduardo by christmas

defense; gallas, silvestre, toure, sagna, clichy, eboue

i still feel arsenal needs one/two serious solid centerback, one/two serious solid mid fielder was praying we got alonso and yaya
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on October 22, 2008, 08:40:25 PM
i feel silvestre stil lgetting salary from man u

dat man was all sixes and nines fuh everton goal and he poke in ah own goal yesterday? last man tuh do dat was jose reyes.

diaby is similar to patrick viera whooaaaaa

we almost have too many midfield options when rosicky back

wenger hadda alternate games with 4-4-2 or 4-5-1 or 4-3-3

yesterday was 4-5-1

think of the mid filed options; nasri, cesc, denilson, diaby, ramsey, rosicky when he fixed

forwards; ade, robin, vela, wallcott, eduardo by christmas

defense; gallas, silvestre, toure, sagna, clichy, eboue

i still feel arsenal needs one/two serious solid centerback, one/two serious solid mid fielder was praying we got alonso and yaya

Tweety couldn't do that much about the own goal though ... it was basically deflected. The shot was hit across goal with pace.
And the blame for the Everton goal rests with Song and Denilson

Diaby was always hailed as Patric Viera II ... by France and Arsenal.

Walcott should be in your midfield list, with 16 year old Jack Wilshire, and Eboue
And Bendtner as a forward
And defence ... Song, and Djourou (who is better than Song). And I think Kieran Gibbs is 2nd to Clichy .. can't wait till Traore is back, he's lighting up at Pompey
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on October 22, 2008, 09:46:50 PM
Please all yuh cah defend against no decent side! Yuh midfield weak as well as yuh defence. Yuh score a few yuh give up a few but yuh aint winning shite!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on October 23, 2008, 06:03:36 AM
Please all yuh cah defend against no decent side! Yuh midfield weak as well as yuh defence. Yuh score a few yuh give up a few but yuh aint winning shite!
LOL :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Go to the Man U thread nah!!! :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on October 23, 2008, 06:40:42 AM
What a recovery:

Eduardo is 'three weeks away' from return

Eduardo will be back playing competitive football in three weeks.

The Arsenal striker suffered horrific leg and ankle injuries at Birmingham back on February 23 and, in the immediate aftermath, it was feared his career could be in doubt.

However the Croatian was operated on that evening in the Midlands and has been working hard on his rehabilitation ever since.

Speaking at Arsenal’s AGM on Thursday morning, Arsène Wenger confirmed that the long wait is nearly over.

“Eduardo is three weeks away from playing competitive football,” he said.

However, it appears Tomas Rosicky’s return will take a little longer.

“He should be back after Christmas,” said Wenger.

The Czech midfielder has been out since January 29 with a hamstring problem.

Arsenal.com
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on October 23, 2008, 05:29:16 PM
i was just gonna post that
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: SOBRIQUET on October 23, 2008, 07:51:56 PM
1.  Fulham
2.  Hull
3.  Arsenal is shit
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on October 23, 2008, 07:57:02 PM
Please all yuh cah defend against no decent side! Yuh midfield weak as well as yuh defence. Yuh score a few yuh give up a few but yuh aint winning shite!
LOL :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Go to the Man U thread nah!!! :devil:


Nah this more fun! Somebody needs tuh drop some reality on these overly optimistic Gunners forever people who keep drinking Arsene9's kool aid!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on October 24, 2008, 06:16:00 AM
1.  Fulham
2.  Hull
3.  Arsenal is shit

You still on the Chelsea wagon? Or you jump over to be a lifelong Man City supporter?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on October 24, 2008, 11:23:28 AM
Gunners. Is this your captain here?


(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/10/24/article-0-02374AFA000005DC-895_468x286.jpg)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: WestCoast on October 24, 2008, 11:37:46 AM
Gunners. Is this your captain here?
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/10/24/article-0-02374AFA000005DC-895_468x286.jpg)
aye if Latas could do it why not Gallas :devil:

seen in a Taxi....he does moonlight as a Taxi Driver or wha?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on October 24, 2008, 12:50:51 PM
Gunners. Is this your captain here?


(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/10/24/article-0-02374AFA000005DC-895_468x286.jpg)

It funny how this is news, especially on a site where Latapy is defended on smoking.

Maybe you should look at your own captin hero, banana split John Terry... any drunk fights outside nightclubs recently?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Daft Trini on October 24, 2008, 01:53:52 PM
Gunners. Is this your captain here?
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/10/24/article-0-02374AFA000005DC-895_468x286.jpg)
aye if Latas could do it why not Gallas :devil:

seen in a Taxi....he does moonlight as a Taxi Driver or wha?

Nice young darkie... :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on October 25, 2008, 05:36:33 AM
Gunners. Is this your captain here?


(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/10/24/article-0-02374AFA000005DC-895_468x286.jpg)

It funny how this is news, especially on a site where Latapy is defended on smoking.

Maybe you should look at your own captin hero, banana split John Terry... any drunk fights outside nightclubs recently?


well done MLT
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on October 25, 2008, 06:32:38 AM
1.  Fulham
2.  Hull
3.  Arsenal is shit

yeah so is Everton, its a loong season son
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on October 25, 2008, 06:36:54 AM
Please all yuh cah defend against no decent side! Yuh midfield weak as well as yuh defence. Yuh score a few yuh give up a few but yuh aint winning shite!
LOL :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Go to the Man U thread nah!!! :devil:


Nah this more fun! Somebody needs tuh drop some reality on these overly optimistic Gunners forever people who keep drinking Arsene9's kool aid!


so its wrong to be optimistic about a side thats consistently been in europe? at the top of top flight english football? in a manager that has produced a few fa cups and premier leagues in a decade??

if thats a crime then whats the point of being a fan then?
you might as well pack up too, cus manu fans seem to forget liverpool has a far bigger trophy cabinent than anyother english side, manu are still relative "new comers" to the silverware scene, allyuh jus doh like that we keep the pressure on you guys not to slackoff

so yeah, keep hating, i'll keep being optimistic cus i garantee every time we have won it and will win it real sweeter for us than for the rest of you wagonistas
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: acb on October 26, 2008, 11:32:38 AM
Does Adebayor believe in Obeah?
I see the man do a lil one foot 3 hop shimmy .... kinda like what Dickie Bird used to do whenever he was umpiring and the scores were on Nelson.
Yeah, so after Adebayor hop hop skip ... first thing he do is buss a header jess wide.

If is Obeah, somebody put him in touch with Carlos Edwards.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on October 26, 2008, 11:54:57 AM
Does Adebayor believe in Obeah?
I see the man do a lil one foot 3 hop shimmy .... kinda like what Dickie Bird used to do whenever he was umpiring and the scores were on Nelson.
Yeah, so after Adebayor hop hop skip ... first thing he do is buss a header jess wide.

If is Obeah, somebody put him in touch with Carlos Edwards.

Haha I notice that too  ... but it seem to work .. the header, then a shot that went in off a defender, and then a goal
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on October 26, 2008, 12:16:10 PM
Good game, but some bad calls.
Goalie shoulda been sent off for handling outside the box, it wasn't even close, the linesman is blind.
And among some of the other cards handed out, the red in the 94th minute? Harsh, yellow was fine. No doubt West Ham will appeal.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: morvant on October 26, 2008, 01:25:30 PM
good game i really doh know what wenger see in bentner doh
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on October 26, 2008, 01:28:08 PM
good game i really doh know what wenger see in bentner doh

He had a better 2nd half .... look at that pass he give Adebayor for the secod goal. And he set him up nice earlier.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: morvant on October 26, 2008, 01:38:36 PM
good game i really doh know what wenger see in bentner doh

He had a better 2nd half .... look at that pass he give Adebayor for the secod goal. And he set him up nice earlier.


yeah a broken clock right twice ah day. the rest ah the day he useless
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on October 26, 2008, 01:43:41 PM
good game i really doh know what wenger see in bentner doh

He had a better 2nd half .... look at that pass he give Adebayor for the secod goal. And he set him up nice earlier.


yeah a broken clock right twice ah day. the rest ah the day he useless

He alot better than Adebayor was at 20. The forwards isn't the promlem for Arsene though ... RVP, Ade, Bendtner, and Vela. With Eduardo due back by Christmas.
It the center of midfiled I worried about. Song and Denilson not good enough. Diaby might be the best to partner Cesc.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on October 28, 2008, 07:13:47 AM
http://thegoonerforum.wordpress.com/2008/10/27/wenger-showboating-video/

This was funny .. check out the skills on the field .. not bad for a 60 year old manager. lol
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: acb on October 28, 2008, 11:17:38 AM
http://thegoonerforum.wordpress.com/2008/10/27/wenger-showboating-video/

This was funny .. check out the skills on the field .. not bad for a 60 year old manager. lol

lol ... steups. I do more keep-ups than that in Flipper Soccer camp.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on October 28, 2008, 07:05:29 PM
http://thegoonerforum.wordpress.com/2008/10/27/wenger-showboating-video/

This was funny .. check out the skills on the field .. not bad for a 60 year old manager. lol

Ah wonder who is the most skillful among Rafa, Arsene9, Gene Hackman and Lord Wrigely?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on October 31, 2008, 06:07:39 AM
ah vex

for several reasons
1 wuk late miss d game on setanta and all highlights
2 no laptop that night no arsenal tv online
3 to hear how we gave it away
4 to see how we gave it away (watch the goals yesterday)
5 to hear cesc say before the game we ladies side could beat spurs, yuh doh farking say dat talk publicly is make side vex n ready tuh kill yuh)
6 points we supposed to wrap up we flinging way
7 if liverpool hold it together is thiers
8 manu prob will get they 3 points from thier game in hand cu si feel is fulham they hadda play
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on October 31, 2008, 09:31:55 AM
Adebayor doubts Arsenal title bid



The fella finally getting lil brite yes.  :applause:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/7701698.stm
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: rotatopoti3 on October 31, 2008, 01:58:29 PM
Dat Arsenal goalie is one shittong...I feel he had a shot at saving 3 of d 4 goals....against Spurs... ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on October 31, 2008, 02:22:43 PM
Gallas + 5 million pounds for Ashley Cole is looking more and more like the bargain of the decade with every passing week. :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on October 31, 2008, 04:02:12 PM
Gallas + 5 million pounds for Ashley Cole is looking more and more like the bargain of the decade with every passing week. :devil:

nah yuh can keep that leary whore
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on October 31, 2008, 04:04:47 PM
STOKE V ARSENAL
ARSENAL V FERNABCHE
ARSENAL V MAN U


bring it bitches
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on November 01, 2008, 10:02:21 AM
STOKE V ARSENAL
ARSENAL V FERNABCHE
ARSENAL V MAN U


bring it bitches


Is dat how yuh does motivate yuh team or is dat yuh pet name for dem?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 01, 2008, 10:39:04 AM
STOKE V ARSENAL
ARSENAL V FERNABCHE
ARSENAL V MAN U


bring it bitches


Is dat how yuh does motivate yuh team or is dat yuh pet name for dem?

thats it 10 men down 2 nil down f**k have it liverpool chelsea or man united

infact we shouldn't even qualify for europe next season, cannot tell you how pissed off i am at todays perfromance

f**kin f**k f**k
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: SOBRIQUET on November 01, 2008, 10:56:40 AM
UPDATE

1.  Fulham
2.  Hull
3.  Arsenal is shit

1. Fulham
2. Hull
3. STOKE
4. Arsenal is REAL shit ;)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 01, 2008, 11:04:06 AM
i am serious

enough playing around

f**k man

bet you they kick ass in champs league until it gets a lil tough

bet you manu are chomping at the bit to play us right now

infact i'd trade places with spurs on the table, maybe that might bring some "experience" to the squad

i love my side, but they really f**kin annoying me now
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on November 01, 2008, 11:14:42 AM
Gunner when was the last time yuh see a good/tough defense where every single one wearing long sleeves? Now that is what I call SOFT! Cah take the cold or geh wet!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: elan on November 01, 2008, 12:09:26 PM
Anyone have a Candle, and a hymn for this team thread?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 01, 2008, 12:15:08 PM
Anyone have a Candle, and a hymn for this team thread?

Tun tun, this thread will never die as long as this forum is open

Go to your chelsea forever thread and worry about your team instead of this thread.

Still amazes me that ppl who want the thread to die kept repying on it thus keeping it on the front page, bravo tun tun, bravo
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: elan on November 01, 2008, 12:23:46 PM
Anyone have a Candle, and a hymn for this team thread?

Tun tun, this thread will never die as long as this forum is open

Go to your chelsea forever thread and worry about your team instead of this thread.

Still amazes me that ppl who want the thread to die kept repying on it thus keeping it on the front page, bravo tun tun, bravo

Bitter are we, how is the air down there, there, there, there.    :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on November 01, 2008, 12:33:39 PM
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

doh fack me up nah man... Stoke ???

steups lewwe talk bout sides nuh.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on November 01, 2008, 12:45:13 PM
StunnedGunner.....Was Van Persies Red deserved?  i didnt see it    and also i hear Walcott get injured

dont forget the Champions coming to the Emirates next week  ;)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 01, 2008, 01:53:24 PM
StunnedGunner.....Was Van Persies Red deserved?  i didnt see it    and also i hear Walcott get injured

dont forget the Champions coming to the Emirates next week  ;)

ade wallcott sanga injured nd possibly more, champs league wed man u sat lovely
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on November 01, 2008, 05:19:59 PM
To compete on all fronts, big teams have two top class players for each position and Arsenal at the moment cannot say that. Now with injuries and players in poor form its all going wrong.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 01, 2008, 05:58:49 PM
Anyone have a Candle, and a hymn for this team thread?

Tun tun, this thread will never die as long as this forum is open

Go to your chelsea forever thread and worry about your team instead of this thread.

Still amazes me that ppl who want the thread to die kept repying on it thus keeping it on the front page, bravo tun tun, bravo

Bitter are we, how is the air down there, there, there, there.    :rotfl:

keep it up tuntun  pray roman doh get ketch in some kinda babawl eh cus den chelski in bankruptcy and outt of football
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 01, 2008, 06:22:49 PM
yeah whatever yes

if wenger buys players in jan, i will get a heart attack
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: JDB on November 01, 2008, 09:37:05 PM
I expected the big 4 to have a shake up this season.

Expected Spurs or Villa to come good and I expected Liverpool to pop down.

Didn't rate Keane as a player to change their fortunes and they still don't have as good wingbacks as United or Chelsea. Liverpool moving good though. Kuyt settle into the wing role that he get last year, Riera giving more width and Rafa rotating less in defence.

But Arsenal boy? Wow.

I understand that Wenger rebuilding but the team lacking bite and intensity.

The defence is sorf. Silvestre is a good player, excellent tackler, good pace and when he on form he could be a formidable player but...he is not a player to lead a defence or settle the players around him.

That midfield today had no width and still nobody close to Flamini or Gilberto in approach or execution.

Losing to Stoke and Hull is real pressure but they still high up in the table, but they need to regroup and figure out what they want to do with that team.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on November 01, 2008, 09:54:22 PM
i'm not an arsenal fan ah like to hate on dem, but i respect the way they play the game, so in a kinda way it go be sad to see the side crumble if it come down to that..

tings not looking good..

they lack depth and cover in key positions. the side have no fortitude, when yuh is ah top 4 side yuh cyah be throwing away a 2 goal lead in the last 3 mins.. plus it seem like they have internal problems.

worse yet they not spending money and depending on wenger to work he magic. Losing Flamini to me was the biggest mistake of the preseason.

fabregas will be gone to Barcelona at the end of the season (you'll see).

for the sake of the 3rd/4th position in the EPL i hope they get it together.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 02, 2008, 05:49:28 AM
i'm not an arsenal fan ah like to hate on dem, but i respect the way they play the game, so in a kinda way it go be sad to see the side crumble if it come down to that..

tings not looking good..

they lack depth and cover in key positions. the side have no fortitude, when yuh is ah top 4 side yuh cyah be throwing away a 2 goal lead in the last 3 mins.. plus it seem like they have internal problems.

worse yet they not spending money and depending on wenger to work he magic. Losing Flamini to me was the biggest mistake of the preseason.

fabregas will be gone to Barcelona at the end of the season (you'll see).

for the sake of the 3rd/4th position in the EPL i hope they get it together.

bro man
i honestly want them ou tof europe next season, its the only way for wenger to modify tactics lil bit
i doh like sir alex use of players like pawns but it wins trophies
i doh like chelsea way of "buying" silverware

but the side has gotten progressively younger, look at Hull they not young but play decent enough ball and never effin give up

i defend wenger to the end but on this issue i finally give in, we have a rpoblem and it needs fixing, open up the war chest in Jan

i bet you we end up with song diaby cesc ramsay nasri in midfield at trafford, same 451 set up at fenebache will play wed and saturday
he shoulda never rest ade and van persie and nasri
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on November 02, 2008, 06:59:28 AM

i doh like sir alex use of players like pawns but it wins trophies


 ???
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 02, 2008, 08:39:10 AM

i doh like sir alex use of players like pawns but it wins trophies


 ???

sir alex uses players then discards them, beckham, staam, van ninsteroy, hienze, andy cole, dwight yorke....shall i go on?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 02, 2008, 08:40:54 AM
watching the high lights online

dunno about other teams tatics against the long throw BUT

if the throw is like a corner why not put a man on each post???????????

also certain free kicks shoudl have a man on the far post

I MY HONEST OPINION
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 02, 2008, 08:50:39 AM
Gunner when was the last time yuh see a good/tough defense where every single one wearing long sleeves? Now that is what I call SOFT! Cah take the cold or geh wet!

actually its an arsenal tradition the WHOLE TEAM wear long or short they make the decision and the captain calls it in

since Herbert Chapman days its about the team
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on November 02, 2008, 11:16:10 AM
Gunner when was the last time yuh see a good/tough defense where every single one wearing long sleeves? Now that is what I call SOFT! Cah take the cold or geh wet!

actually its an arsenal tradition the WHOLE TEAM wear long or short they make the decision and the captain calls it in

since Herbert Chapman days its about the team


Actuallu Gunner show me a pic with Tony Adams wearing longsleeves. Dat shite started when Arsene9 started buyin French!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on November 02, 2008, 11:28:21 AM

i doh like sir alex use of players like pawns but it wins trophies


 ???

sir alex uses players then discards them, beckham, staam, van ninsteroy, hienze, andy cole, dwight yorke....shall i go on?

how many players aged over 30 arsenal has? or how many of them can tell themselves that they will get a contract for more than one year at a time?

With regards to the names u called, sir alex let them men know who is boss. If u get out of line then buss it. u not bigger than the team or the boss.

 If sir alex used to discard men, then what about giggsy, scholes, neville, etc doing there still? not to mention the men who were always injured that he kept around the club giving them enough chances to recover?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: JDB on November 02, 2008, 11:53:41 AM

i doh like sir alex use of players like pawns but it wins trophies


 ???

sir alex uses players then discards them, beckham, staam, van ninsteroy, hienze, andy cole, dwight yorke....shall i go on?

level bullshit yuh write there.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: JDB on November 02, 2008, 12:02:22 PM
actually its an arsenal tradition the WHOLE TEAM wear long or short they make the decision and the captain calls it in

since Herbert Chapman days its about the team


Actuallu Gunner show me a pic with Tony Adams wearing longsleeves. Dat shite started when Arsene9 started buyin French!

Giggsy sometimes you don't make sense either yuh know.

I remember Arsenal wearing long sleeves back in the Rocastle days and the Wright days, long before Wenger or French players.

(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:QHfvY7iJOlIszM:http://www.123football.com/players/a/tony-adams/tony-adams2.jpg)

(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:N2KdbgKUnw82lM:http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/365000/images/_367055_adams150.jpg)

(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:2rAHt4AUMRhtCM:http://www.arsenal.com/images/r/rocastle_tottenham.jpg)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on November 02, 2008, 12:08:13 PM
actually its an arsenal tradition the WHOLE TEAM wear long or short they make the decision and the captain calls it in

since Herbert Chapman days its about the team


Actuallu Gunner show me a pic with Tony Adams wearing longsleeves. Dat shite started when Arsene9 started buyin French!

Giggsy sometimes you don't make sense either yuh know.

I remember Arsenal wearing long sleeves back in the Rocastle days and the Wright days, long before Wenger or French players.

(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:QHfvY7iJOlIszM:http://www.123football.com/players/a/tony-adams/tony-adams2.jpg)

(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:N2KdbgKUnw82lM:http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/365000/images/_367055_adams150.jpg)

(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:2rAHt4AUMRhtCM:http://www.arsenal.com/images/r/rocastle_tottenham.jpg)


LOL, so I have been told! Nah man I talking about the whole defence wearing longsleeves for the side today compared to the days pre Arsene9 days. I was not trying to say the team never wearing longsleeves before Arsene9.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 03, 2008, 08:33:27 AM
Gunner when was the last time yuh see a good/tough defense where every single one wearing long sleeves? Now that is what I call SOFT! Cah take the cold or geh wet!

actually its an arsenal tradition the WHOLE TEAM wear long or short they make the decision and the captain calls it in

since Herbert Chapman days its about the team


Actuallu Gunner show me a pic with Tony Adams wearing longsleeves. Dat shite started when Arsene9 started buyin French!



um no

what i told you there was fact
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 04, 2008, 10:48:32 AM
watching the high lights online

dunno about other teams tatics against the long throw BUT

if the throw is like a corner why not put a man on each post???????????

also certain free kicks shoudl have a man on the far post

I MY HONEST OPINION


this is Lee Dixon's take on how to handle Stokes throw ins, 7 of thier 13 goals this season so far came from the throw ins

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/7705772.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/7705772.stm)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on November 04, 2008, 05:45:21 PM
::) ::)

Wenger furious at Stoke tackling

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/7708886.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/7708886.stm)

Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger has accused Stoke of overly aggressive tactics after injuries to two of his players in the Gunners' 2-1 defeat on Saturday.

Wenger condemned Rory Delap and Ryan Shawcross after Theo Walcott and Emmanuel Adebayor were both hurt.

"Do you think Delap tried to play the ball when he tackled Walcott?

"Or that Shawcross tried to play the ball when he tackled Adebayor off the pitch?" Wenger told a Champions League press conference on Tuesday.

Stoke City chairman Peter Coates strongly rejected claims that his team deliberately set out to injure opponents.

"I'm very disappointed because I don't think that's the case at all," Coates told BBC Radio Stoke.

"We don't play like that. We are not that sort of team.

"I'm sure that none of our players would deliberately go out to injure anyone, so it is most disappointing to hear someone like Arsene Wenger make that comment but that is up to him.

"That wasn't the game I saw, it wasn't the game the fans at the ground saw and it wasn't the game that the referee saw," added Coates.
   
Walcott (shoulder) and Adebayor (ankle) will both miss Wednesday evening's Champions League match against Fenerbache at the Emirates Stadium as a result of their injuries.

And Adebayor is also certain to miss Saturday's Premier League match against champions Manchester United.

With critics accusing Arsenal of lacking enough bravery in the tackle following the defeat at the Britannia Stadium, Wenger launched a staunch defence of his team.

"I am not ready to listen to things that are untrue and make people who are cowards, for me, look brave," said the Gunners boss.

"I read that my team were not brave," he said.

"All I can say is they are brave and, for me, you need to have more courage to play football when you know that someone is tackling you from behind without any intention to play the ball.

"The only intention is to hurt you and I can show some tackles where I can prove what I say. The one who is tackling is not the brave one.

"For me the brave one is the player who is trying to play football."
   
Wenger also alleged that this is not the first time teams have used physical tactics to upset Arsenal's free-flowing football while striker Nicklas Bendtner insists the Gunners are no pushovers.

"We know that other teams have that gameplan but so do we. If other teams are physical we can deal with that," he said.

"We have just got to think of our own game and the way we play. If we do that well enough that should be enough to win the games.

"If teams want to kick us we will deal with that and still come out on top. We will have to stick our foot in and tackle and then play our football when we have the ball."

Delap denied that he set out to hurt Walcott.

"It was more of a tired tackle," Delap told BBC Sport on Saturday.

"I thought I was going to get the ball, but he is that sort of player.

"He was too quick for me and I think he has taken a bad fall on his shoulder, so I wish him all the best and I will try to get to see him."
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 05, 2008, 08:04:48 AM
whatever yes

manu go like themselves saturday they playing arsenal under 19 squad
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: acb on November 05, 2008, 08:13:55 AM
::) ::)

Wenger furious at Stoke tackling

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/7708886.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/7708886.stm)

Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger has accused Stoke of overly aggressive tactics after injuries to two of his players in the Gunners' 2-1 defeat on Saturday...

....With critics accusing Arsenal of lacking enough bravery in the tackle following the defeat at the Britannia Stadium, Wenger launched a staunch defence of his team....

...."I am not ready to listen to things that are untrue and make people who are cowards, for me, look brave," said the Gunners boss.....

...."I read that my team were not brave," he said....

Arsene need to stop reading UK tabloids and falling for that kinda chain up.
Dem men does sensationalize everything and flat out lie like no other.
If them men writing a story on a purple bird, they will say how a red bird eat a blue bird, and it fly away purple.
Them men know how to get under Arsene skin and use it to get a headline.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on November 05, 2008, 09:04:24 AM
Doh study Arsene9, he just lookign for an excuse. He forget when Laruen, viera, assley cole, and torue use to be playing dutty dutty.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on November 05, 2008, 09:12:36 AM
Just trying tuh set up the refs for Saturday. Ah waitin for Lord Wrigley's contribution to the refs.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 05, 2008, 09:13:37 AM
Doh study Arsene9, he just lookign for an excuse. He forget when Laruen, viera, assley cole, and torue use to be playing dutty dutty.

yeah whatever yes

men forget how much stick arsenal got for x amount of sendings off under arsene management, now they saying we sorf, trust me, is we were top of the league not a poops negative would even if we sorft and still win
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on November 05, 2008, 06:16:37 PM
Doh study Arsene9, he just lookign for an excuse. He forget when Laruen, viera, assley cole, and torue use to be playing dutty dutty.

yeah whatever yes

men forget how much stick arsenal got for x amount of sendings off under arsene management, now they saying we sorf, trust me, is we were top of the league not a poops negative would even if we sorft and still win

I agree but is more fun tuh write about this; dat said all yuh still softer than butter in the sun. Can you say runnny?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on November 05, 2008, 06:26:23 PM
Doh study Arsene9, he just lookign for an excuse. He forget when Laruen, viera, assley cole, and torue use to be playing dutty dutty.

yeah whatever yes

men forget how much stick arsenal got for x amount of sendings off under arsene management, now they saying we sorf, trust me, is we were top of the league not a poops negative would even if we sorft and still win

well is allyuh  borse  who sell out all the wild beast and dem. Torue hah no back up now..so he humble, cause he know he go get real licks if he rile up.....yuh have gallas, but he might run away in the corner and suck he finger when cuff start to pass.



 :angel:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 06, 2008, 05:07:06 PM
Doh study Arsene9, he just lookign for an excuse. He forget when Laruen, viera, assley cole, and torue use to be playing dutty dutty.

yeah whatever yes

men forget how much stick arsenal got for x amount of sendings off under arsene management, now they saying we sorf, trust me, is we were top of the league not a poops negative would even if we sorft and still win

well is allyuh  borse  who sell out all the wild beast and dem. Torue hah no back up now..so he humble, cause he know he go get real licks if he rile up.....yuh have gallas, but he might run away in the corner and suck he finger when cuff start to pass.



 :angel:

remember all dat talk when yuh celebrating like yuh beat d worlds best team on saturday, but i guess you d kinda man das bull blind gyal
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kaisocagoals on November 06, 2008, 05:21:12 PM
Doh study Arsene9, he just lookign for an excuse. He forget when Laruen, viera, assley cole, and torue use to be playing dutty dutty.

yeah whatever yes

men forget how much stick arsenal got for x amount of sendings off under arsene management, now they saying we sorf, trust me, is we were top of the league not a poops negative would even if we sorft and still win

well is allyuh  borse  who sell out all the wild beast and dem. Torue hah no back up now..so he humble, cause he know he go get real licks if he rile up.....yuh have gallas, but he might run away in the corner and suck he finger when cuff start to pass.



 :angel:

remember all dat talk when yuh celebrating liek yuh beat d worls best team on saturday, btu i guess you d kinda man das bull blind gyal

be nice...

pretty pretty with no end product is like running all day just to earn yuh place...

Arsenal's midfield is like a highway, and the defence is in a mess...

as much as gerrard's penalty was a joke... what is Wenger thinking not adding quality...

Hleb... Flamini... Henry... Pires... would have all been additions to an amazing era for that club...

No aspersions... but it's like living in Woodbrook, and not knowing what seeing all of Town from Chancellor Hill is like...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on November 06, 2008, 06:54:02 PM
Doh study Arsene9, he just lookign for an excuse. He forget when Laruen, viera, assley cole, and torue use to be playing dutty dutty.

yeah whatever yes

men forget how much stick arsenal got for x amount of sendings off under arsene management, now they saying we sorf, trust me, is we were top of the league not a poops negative would even if we sorft and still win



well is allyuh  borse  who sell out all the wild beast and dem. Torue hah no back up now..so he humble, cause he know he go get real licks if he rile up.....yuh have gallas, but he might run away in the corner and suck he finger when cuff start to pass.



 :angel:

remember all dat talk when yuh celebrating liek yuh beat d worls best team on saturday, btu i guess you d kinda man das bull blind gyal

 :-\ boy u leave u self open to real retaliation with that comment, but is a good thing i overs them kinda out of the way small man talks
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 06, 2008, 09:56:48 PM
Doh study Arsene9, he just lookign for an excuse. He forget when Laruen, viera, assley cole, and torue use to be playing dutty dutty.

yeah whatever yes

men forget how much stick arsenal got for x amount of sendings off under arsene management, now they saying we sorf, trust me, is we were top of the league not a poops negative would even if we sorft and still win



well is allyuh  borse  who sell out all the wild beast and dem. Torue hah no back up now..so he humble, cause he know he go get real licks if he rile up.....yuh have gallas, but he might run away in the corner and suck he finger when cuff start to pass.



 :angel:

remember all dat talk when yuh celebrating liek yuh beat d worls best team on saturday, btu i guess you d kinda man das bull blind gyal

 :-\ boy u leave u self open to real retaliation with that comment, but is a good thing i overs them kinda out of the way small man talks

whatever aunty sammy, come whatver result on sat manu fans will behave like they achieved a great  footballing feat to beat an arsenal side that's been criticised for the last two seasons.

if wengers lowest goal is to remain in europe then so be it, he's the manager. personally i fell they should get 5th this year to shake them up but when that happens NOBODY would want to play for us no matter how big wengers war chest is.

fact remains he needs to ge tthe most out of the players, and rigth now he's not getting that, instead we seem to be rpoducing probably th ebest medical staff in the sporting world with the frequency and duration of our players sick room visits
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on November 06, 2008, 10:07:42 PM
5th this year??

you real optimistic..
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: acb on November 06, 2008, 10:12:22 PM
...NOBODY would want to play for us no matter how big wengers war chest is....

coulda get Robinho for 32M quid.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on November 07, 2008, 05:30:45 AM
Doh study Arsene9, he just lookign for an excuse. He forget when Laruen, viera, assley cole, and torue use to be playing dutty dutty.

yeah whatever yes

men forget how much stick arsenal got for x amount of sendings off under arsene management, now they saying we sorf, trust me, is we were top of the league not a poops negative would even if we sorft and still win



well is allyuh  borse  who sell out all the wild beast and dem. Torue hah no back up now..so he humble, cause he know he go get real licks if he rile up.....yuh have gallas, but he might run away in the corner and suck he finger when cuff start to pass.



 :angel:

remember all dat talk when yuh celebrating liek yuh beat d worls best team on saturday, btu i guess you d kinda man das bull blind gyal

 :-\ boy u leave u self open to real retaliation with that comment, but is a good thing i overs them kinda out of the way small man talks

whatever aunty sammy, come whatver result on sat manu fans will behave like they achieved a great  footballing feat to beat an arsenal side that's been criticised for the last two seasons.

if wengers lowest goal is to remain in europe then so be it, he's the manager. personally i fell they should get 5th this year to shake them up but when that happens NOBODY would want to play for us no matter how big wengers war chest is.

fact remains he needs to ge tthe most out of the players, and rigth now he's not getting that, instead we seem to be rpoducing probably th ebest medical staff in the sporting world with the frequency and duration of our players sick room visits

the fact that u does back a shit side dosent give u a license to make arsene9 comments like the one a couple of posts ago. - re. making fun/shit talking bout blind gyul.

anyhow, i guess u now realise how u side eh winning nutten  feeling bitter, buh doh worry i eh go rub it in too much.

Listen, ent your borse say how he is lookig to make a profit to pay for his new stadium? then y u bitchin? the man done let allyuh know what is the purpose of the side already i.e. to have a wannabe team that can turn a profit.
at least allyuh fans could get a bit of joy by beating small teams like stoke, hull and toteham etc. come on man, be thankful for the little things.
And if we celebrating saturday, not because we beat arsenal, is cause the 3 points taking we closer to winning we next title.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 07, 2008, 06:45:41 AM
Doh study Arsene9, he just lookign for an excuse. He forget when Laruen, viera, assley cole, and torue use to be playing dutty dutty.

yeah whatever yes

men forget how much stick arsenal got for x amount of sendings off under arsene management, now they saying we sorf, trust me, is we were top of the league not a poops negative would even if we sorft and still win



well is allyuh  borse  who sell out all the wild beast and dem. Torue hah no back up now..so he humble, cause he know he go get real licks if he rile up.....yuh have gallas, but he might run away in the corner and suck he finger when cuff start to pass.



 :angel:

remember all dat talk when yuh celebrating liek yuh beat d worls best team on saturday, btu i guess you d kinda man das bull blind gyal

 :-\ boy u leave u self open to real retaliation with that comment, but is a good thing i overs them kinda out of the way small man talks

whatever aunty sammy, come whatver result on sat manu fans will behave like they achieved a great  footballing feat to beat an arsenal side that's been criticised for the last two seasons.

if wengers lowest goal is to remain in europe then so be it, he's the manager. personally i fell they should get 5th this year to shake them up but when that happens NOBODY would want to play for us no matter how big wengers war chest is.

fact remains he needs to ge tthe most out of the players, and rigth now he's not getting that, instead we seem to be rpoducing probably th ebest medical staff in the sporting world with the frequency and duration of our players sick room visits

the fact that u does back a shit side dosent give u a license to make arsene9 comments like the one a couple of posts ago. - re. making fun/shit talking bout blind gyul.

anyhow, i guess u now realise how u side eh winning nutten  feeling bitter, buh doh worry i eh go rub it in too much.

Listen, ent your borse say how he is lookig to make a profit to pay for his new stadium? then y u bitchin? the man done let allyuh know what is the purpose of the side already i.e. to have a wannabe team that can turn a profit.
at least allyuh fans could get a bit of joy by beating small teams like stoke, hull and toteham etc. come on man, be thankful for the little things.
And if we celebrating saturday, not because we beat arsenal, is cause the 3 points taking we closer to winning we next title.


tuntun conquerer  :rotfl:  nto making fun of blind ppl/girls making fun of you taking advantage of those not in the same position of you, but i will lower the level my comments humor for you to fully understand (you can't be serious by pulling a left on defending disablled ppl, my comment was an analogy not an example, duh)

see you lunchtime tomorrow



Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on November 07, 2008, 12:34:47 PM
yeah bra. i know where u was coming from however, If u sister/ daughter/mother was blind, i sure u wouldna use that in your analogy/ diss/ humor or what ever - daiz all i saying.


anyways back to arsenal.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 07, 2008, 12:57:13 PM
cool back to football

i now read wenger say he NOT buying in january

hind sight is 20/20, gilberto shoulda been kept so to flamini, maybe helb.

flip it now and ahd arsneal not been complaicent vs stoke hull fulham sunderland and spurs

not a bad word would be spoken about arsenal but thats how it goes

wenger also said criticise his team in may not now



curious for information sake but where was manu this time last year??
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 08, 2008, 07:31:17 AM
still holding breath
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on November 08, 2008, 08:05:35 AM
What a goal. 15 passes, 45 seconds.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on November 08, 2008, 08:09:16 AM
Is a wonder how ManUtd gets their biggest fan, Howard Webb to ref their games.
Swan Boy sticks out his hand and touches the ball, no yellow.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 08, 2008, 08:33:55 AM
Is a wonder how ManUtd gets their biggest fan, Howard Webb to ref their games.
Swan Boy sticks out his hand and touches the ball, no yellow.

what did the celtic player say this week about star boy have one rules and the rest of us have another?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 08, 2008, 08:57:06 AM
ok ok

well done boys, now to stock farking around it have all of nov dec to go then it gets real hard

as fo rthos ewho say arsenal doh get stuck in, its easy to critize, what they have to say now?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: morvant on November 08, 2008, 09:48:37 AM
glad fuh the win

vex i couldnt get to see it tho
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on November 08, 2008, 11:54:57 AM


good win Gunner, after u dog u side whole  week and was looking to concede defeat b4 the game etc etc etc.

Nasri is a boss.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: elan on November 08, 2008, 01:44:54 PM
Gunner Stunner well done   :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

Bendtner is still useless though.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on November 08, 2008, 02:30:05 PM
Arsenal is built to win against teams that play. We have seen that in the past few seasons also. The problem is they still have to figure out a way to beat the bruisers (Bolton etc).

Having said that, they do better in Champions League because that is a real football competition. We'll see what happens this season. They definitely need an enforcer on the team. I hope we get YaYa or anyone from Italy.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 09, 2008, 07:51:06 AM
Arsenal is built to win against teams that play. We have seen that in the past few seasons also. The problem is they still have to figure out a way to beat the bruisers (Bolton etc).

Having said that, they do better in Champions League because that is a real football competition. We'll see what happens this season. They definitely need an enforcer on the team. I hope we get YaYa or anyone from Italy.

ditto, most ppl don't realise arsene's philosopies and his higher standards, dispite arsenal commiting mor eofuls than man u yesterday we are still, bottom of the fouls committed table

anyway, we won because on the day we wanted it more, manu never eally kicked in high gear, maybe because we wanted it more who knows, what i know for a fac tis that seasons that manu win the tittle arsenal don't loose to them
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 09, 2008, 09:09:43 AM


good win Gunner, after u dog u side whole  week and was looking to concede defeat b4 the game etc etc etc.

Nasri is a boss.
but i never gave up on my side, i wanted them to learn a lesson to know when to dig in n give more, and if it take them missing champs league next year then good cus i hate complacency especially from tallented gifted ppl
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 10, 2008, 09:14:24 AM
skysports article from Chris Camara

What a great game! Just wonderful!

Arsenal against Manchester United was fantasy football of the highest order and I loved every minute of it.

The standard of that game at The Emirates was so high that you just wouldn't find it anywhere else in world football. You could sell that anywhere and no-one, not the Spanish, not the Italians, could come up with anything to match it.

To see two top teams really going for it, for the whole game, was a sight to behold and just what the Premier League is about.

I do think a lot more teams are going for it now in terms of attack and it's great to watch. Stoke try to attack teams when they can, West Brom do and we all know that Phil Brown and Hull go for it all the time.

It is so refreshing to see fantasy football being played, especially when the start of the season was more like Footballers' Wives or Dream Team, because there was so much stuff going on off the field.

On it though, you couldn't find fault with anything we saw at The Emirates. That second goal from Arsenal just about summed it up and capped what could me a massive win for Arsenal.

I did think that they were playing United at the worst possible time as well. They destroyed Celtic in the Champions League, even if they didn't win, so were coming into this game on a high and were looking pretty invincible.

Arsenal, in contrast, had a week to forget. I do think Arsene Wenger shouldn't have come out and said what he did about Stoke, certainly 48 hours after saying Tony Pulis' men were worthy winners.

Pressure
The fact that he is not a good loser is actually one of his strengths in many ways, but he was wrong to try and single out certain challenges, especially when Emmanuel Adebayor and Robin van Persie were guilty of pretty bad ones themselves.

Wenger's remarks led to the media outcry and put all the pressure on his shoulders going into Saturday's game, but Arsenal got their goals at the right time, United missed their chances and that proved the difference.

Arsenal are the best footballing team I have seen in the Premier League since it started and nothing will make me change my mind on that. Samir Nasri's second goal was a masterclass in how top-class players operate, how they work the ball and find space for themselves.

It just goes to show that things can change so quickly in football and right now Arsene Wenger is being feted again. And he deserves to be.


Kammy's picks of the weekend...
GAME - Arsenal 2-1 Manchester United
It can only be one. It was just a fantastic game and wonderful advert for the Premier League. You could sell that game to anyone in the world as the best football around and no-one could argue with it. It was great to see two, top, top sides going for it, right to the last. Arsenal still keep trying to shoot and go for goal at the end instead of eating up time and I have to admit, when six minutes went up on the fourth official's board, I thought we were into 'Fergie time'. But Arsenal kept going for it and got what they deserved this time.

GOAL - Samir Nasri's second
 Just a wonderful, wonderful goal, the epitome of what Arsenal are all about. On Goals on Sunday we highlighted a similar one against Blackburn earlier in the season, but this was even better. A full minute on the ball and 15 passes, when they went down the right, down the left, looked to the middle, turned back and then went through the middle again before picking Nasri out. He is clearly another fantastic pick from Wenger and he just knows where to place himself - as we saw with his first - and well, we all know he can finish now, too!

SAVE - Jussi Jaaskelainen v King & Geovanni
 Jussi Jaaskelainen made four big, big saves in that game; two were world-class, the other two were just brilliant! The double save to deny Marlon King and then Geovanni was just unbelievable. To stop the first one when it was almost behind him was one thing, but to then get up and flick the ball away was something else. Jussi just had one of those days where everything went for him and it wouldn't have mattered what Hull City threw at him, he'd have kept it out. Matty Taylor might have got the Bolton goal, but Jaaskelainen won them the game.

PLAYER - Robbie Keane
 It has been a while coming, but it was nice to see Robbie Keane get his first Premier League goals for Liverpool. And both of them were typical Keane goals, just like he used to score when he was playing for Spurs. Both were top-class finishes from a top-class player and you would expect him now to go on a decent run and get more goals. It was always going to take time for his new team-mates to know where he is and how he plays, but because he is not a foreign player coming into the Premier League people were on his back straight away. Now he has got that goals, people will forget the huge price tag that was weighing him down

GAFFER - Arsene Wenger
 There were great wins for Roy Hodgson and Gary Megson, but it has to be Arsene Wenger after the week he's been through. In hindsight, when he looks back, he might think he shouldn't have said what he said about Stoke City, because it was disrespectful. But, it showed he is only human and it also showed the pressure he was under - for the first time ever it was from his own supporters as well. People have said Wenger needs to change his philosophy, but he won the league playing the beautiful game and he went a whole season playing the beautiful game, so why should he? All he might have to do is pick certain players for certain games he knows won't be nicey-nicey, but the win over Manchester United was a triumph for him as well as his players.

TEAM - Arsenal
 A brilliant performance. The game against Spurs recently had everything in terms of excitement and quality, but Arsenal took it up a notch here. We are talking about control, dribbling, tackling, scoring goals, everything here and Arsenal were on their game in every department. A tremendous team display from a terrific side.

GRIPE - Unlucky 13 for Purse
 I was at Loftus Road for Soccer Saturday to see Darren Purse get the 13th red card of his career. There can't be many players who have had as many red cards as big Darren but I've got to say there is no way he should've been sent off. Yes, his foot was high but, so was Lee Cook's. I spoke to Lee and he said it wasn't a red card; David Jones was absolutely livid and of course Darren didn't think it was a red card either. And neither did I. In fact the only person who seemed to think it was was the referee, Lee Probert. Yet I watched Manchester City-Spurs the next day and Gelson Fernandes goes over the top in exactly the same manner but gets a yellow. Cardiff meanwhile, end up playing 70 minutes with 10 men and losing. It's still that question of interpretation. I am not sure that video technology will help either, because the fourth official is going to see it and come up with the same opinion as the ref, because these are not football people. We need a panel of ex-footballers to make decisions on incidents like these, people that know the game and people that have played the game.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: acb on November 11, 2008, 01:20:08 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=go-arsenal111008&prov=goal&type=lgns (http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=go-arsenal111008&prov=goal&type=lgns)
Nick Turner

Quote
...Iaquinta of Juventus made his name at Serie A club Udinese, where he scored 58 goals in a total of 176 league appearances. This brilliant scoring form earned the Italian striker a move to Juventus when Udinese refused to meet his wage demands. Since then, his goal-scoring form has dropped somewhat, with just eight in 30 appearances for The Old Lady.

A move to Arsenal for Iaqunita would be a strange one, with the North London club full to the brim with striking talent such as Emmanuel Adebayor, Robin van Persie, Nicklas Bendtner, Eduardo and Carlos Vela. However, reports suggest that Wenger is ready to make a move for the 28-year-old striker in the January transfer window.

A more likely transfer is the purchase of Roma’s highly rated defensive midfielder Daniele De Rossi. De Rossi has become a revelation under Luciano Spalletti at Roma and has cemented his place in the side as a holding midfielder.

Arsenal have been on the lookout for some experience in the middle of the park, and De Rossi would fit the bill perfectly, providing some much-needed energy and tackling ability to a lightweight Arsenal midfield.

The Gunners have been outmuscled in the games they have lost this season to Hull City, Fulham and Stoke City, as all three bullied Arsenal out of the game. De Rossi would restore some fight in the Arsenal midfield...

I for one don't like placing any stock in Goal.com's articles - however, this one makes you sit up and pay attention.

Could Arsenal have Henry, Iaqunita & DeRossi coming in January and Fabregas moving in the opposite direction?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: palos on November 11, 2008, 01:26:06 PM
Arsenal is built to win against teams that play. We have seen that in the past few seasons also. The problem is they still have to figure out a way to beat the bruisers (Bolton etc).

Having said that, they do better in Champions League because that is a real football competition. We'll see what happens this season. They definitely need an enforcer on the team. I hope we get YaYa or anyone from Italy.

I thought they beat Bolton AT BOLTON dis season arready?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: palos on November 11, 2008, 01:31:18 PM
skysports article from Chris Camara

What a great game! Just wonderful!

Arsenal against Manchester United was fantasy football of the highest order and I loved every minute of it.

The standard of that game at The Emirates was so high that you just wouldn't find it anywhere else in world football. You could sell that anywhere and no-one, not the Spanish, not the Italians, could come up with anything to match it.

To see two top teams really going for it, for the whole game, was a sight to behold and just what the Premier League is about.


Steupes.  And Barca would beat both teams.  De game was a good and entertaining one yes, but all de hyperbole and goin overboard wit de comments does jes provide distaste.

Dese EPL cheerleaders mout so far dong de British teams collective dick dey make Linda Lovelace look like a amateur.  Plus....dey conveniently fuhget dat 90% of de players on dese teams NOT BRITISH.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 11, 2008, 03:14:47 PM
skysports article from Chris Camara

What a great game! Just wonderful!

Arsenal against Manchester United was fantasy football of the highest order and I loved every minute of it.

The standard of that game at The Emirates was so high that you just wouldn't find it anywhere else in world football. You could sell that anywhere and no-one, not the Spanish, not the Italians, could come up with anything to match it.

To see two top teams really going for it, for the whole game, was a sight to behold and just what the Premier League is about.


Steupes.  And Barca would beat both teams.  De game was a good and entertaining one yes, but all de hyperbole and goin overboard wit de comments does jes provide distaste.

Dese EPL cheerleaders mout so far dong de British teams collective dick dey make Linda Lovelace look like a amateur.  Plus....dey conveniently fuhget dat 90% of de players on dese teams NOT BRITISH.

90% go get FACT then spew filth
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on November 11, 2008, 04:00:10 PM
Arsenal is built to win against teams that play. We have seen that in the past few seasons also. The problem is they still have to figure out a way to beat the bruisers (Bolton etc).

Having said that, they do better in Champions League because that is a real football competition. We'll see what happens this season. They definitely need an enforcer on the team. I hope we get YaYa or anyone from Italy.

I thought they beat Bolton AT BOLTON dis season arready?
I meant Bolton in a generic sense...a la Big Sam's Bolton. Stoke etc beat us with that game plan.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 11, 2008, 08:12:19 PM
ah yes
the boy are back in town
jack
simpson
vela
ramsay
merida
fabianski

the future is bright the future is arsenal
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on November 11, 2008, 08:32:30 PM

the future is bright the future is arsenal


This giving Machel competition for road march for the last umpteen years.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 12, 2008, 04:21:56 PM

the future is bright the future is arsenal


This giving Machel competition for road march for the last umpteen years.

you have time to post here when yuh side being draw into penalties against burnley???

guess you'll just buy instead of develop?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: acb on November 12, 2008, 04:34:17 PM
guess you'll just buy instead of develop?

why not? Isn't Football a business?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 12, 2008, 04:35:53 PM
guess you'll just buy instead of develop?

why not? Isn't Football a business?


no probs means your football is driven by profits rather than love of thegame
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: acb on November 12, 2008, 04:36:55 PM
guess you'll just buy instead of develop?

why not? Isn't Football a business?


no probs means your football is driven by profits rather than love of thegame

So Leeds United don't love the game?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on November 12, 2008, 04:39:27 PM
guess you'll just buy instead of develop?

why not? Isn't Football a business?


no probs means your football is driven by profits rather than love of thegame
umm...... rethink what u just said there and think about the side u support and all the huge amt of monies they spend on bringing in quality players.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: acb on November 12, 2008, 04:48:08 PM
umm...... rethink what u just said there and think about the side u support and all the huge amt of monies they spend on bringing in quality players.
Doh study it.

Cesc and Henry was part of their youth development system .... Part of the same crop as Gallas, Nasri, Adebayor, Walcott, Van Persie, Sagna. All them players were never bought - they playing for Arsenal since they on apprentice contracts.

Just because of a one-off result from yesterday, Arsenal youth development program all of a sudden put Ajax to shame.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on November 12, 2008, 05:07:50 PM

 dem is the same men - when they lorsing - does be quarreling how wenger not spending money to buy big players and how he only studying to make a profit.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 12, 2008, 05:14:41 PM
guess you'll just buy instead of develop?

why not? Isn't Football a business?


no probs means your football is driven by profits rather than love of thegame
umm...... rethink what u just said there and think about the side u support and all the huge amt of monies they spend on bringing in quality players.

say what? line up man u liverpool and chelsea transfer market spendings in the last 8 years then compare to arsenal
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 12, 2008, 05:15:56 PM

 dem is the same men - when they lorsing - does be quarreling how wenger not spending money to buy big players and how he only studying to make a profit.

because we lost two players to transfer and another two on mega longterm injuries and still won't be match fit when they back so thats 4 seasoned vets either kia or mia
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 12, 2008, 05:17:07 PM
guess you'll just buy instead of develop?

why not? Isn't Football a business?


no probs means your football is driven by profits rather than love of thegame

So Leeds United don't love the game?


leeds streteched themselves to far bad accounting led to them having to spend more than they earned

arsenal' sfinancial arse is covered
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 12, 2008, 05:20:33 PM
umm...... rethink what u just said there and think about the side u support and all the huge amt of monies they spend on bringing in quality players.
Doh study it.

Cesc and Henry was part of their youth development system .... Part of the same crop as Gallas, Nasri, Adebayor, Walcott, Van Persie, Sagna. All them players were never bought - they playing for Arsenal since they on apprentice contracts.

Just because of a one-off result from yesterday, Arsenal youth development program all of a sudden put Ajax to shame.

who said it put anyone to shame?

it might though, to bad chelsea and liverpool not around to test the theory

walcot bought as a youth so to cesc  and fast tracked through the system because he is good enough as are the rest who make it on to the first team and the others, those who didnt make it went on to other teams starting line ups. sidwell bentley hoyte aliadiere upson maumba etc etc
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: acb on November 12, 2008, 05:33:22 PM
In what capacity is Chelsea and Liverpool not around to test the theory?
They were knocked out from one cup competition. Both should have won on paper, but they along with other winning sides such as Man U and Arsenal did not field their first XIs. While that should not discount why they lost - the season is far from over.

That is unless Arsenal won the FA Cup, Premier League, and Champions League yesterday too!


Who is to say that Chelsea, position is not financially covered?
-Speculators?
Chelsea has not wobbled one bit in the face of the worst financial climate of the last 100 years. They are on course to be self-reliant and not depend on their more than capable OWNER to spend money from his pocket on the team.


Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on November 12, 2008, 07:28:06 PM
In what capacity is Chelsea and Liverpool not around to test the theory?
They were knocked out from one cup competition. Both should have won on paper, but they along with other winning sides such as Man U and Arsenal did not field their first XIs. While that should not discount why they lost - the season is far from over.

That is unless Arsenal won the FA Cup, Premier League, and Champions League yesterday too!


Who is to say that Chelsea, position is not financially covered?
-Speculators?
Chelsea has not wobbled one bit in the face of the worst financial climate of the last 100 years. They are on course to be self-reliant and not depend on their more than capable OWNER to spend money from his pocket on the team.




Not Chelski best XI but still a full squad of International players in the starting 11 versus Burnley. All siad is one game and anything can happen, that is why cup competitions hold a special place in football
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 12, 2008, 08:02:27 PM
In what capacity is Chelsea and Liverpool not around to test the theory?
They were knocked out from one cup competition. Both should have won on paper, but they along with other winning sides such as Man U and Arsenal did not field their first XIs. While that should not discount why they lost - the season is far from over.

That is unless Arsenal won the FA Cup, Premier League, and Champions League yesterday too!


Who is to say that Chelsea, position is not financially covered?
-Speculators?
Chelsea has not wobbled one bit in the face of the worst financial climate of the last 100 years. They are on course to be self-reliant and not depend on their more than capable OWNER to spend money from his pocket on the team.

to lay to rest your arguement from your first line

this started with "the future is bright, the future is arsenal" in rspect to the "youth" won't be able to test out liverpool and chelsea
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 12, 2008, 08:04:46 PM

 dem is the same men - when they lorsing - does be quarreling how wenger not spending money to buy big players and how he only studying to make a profit.
not that we can't buy them we won't buy them based on his principles in an era of over inflated transfer market prices and salaries etc
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on November 12, 2008, 11:40:04 PM
In what capacity is Chelsea and Liverpool not around to test the theory?
They were knocked out from one cup competition. Both should have won on paper, but they along with other winning sides such as Man U and Arsenal did not field their first XIs. While that should not discount why they lost - the season is far from over.

That is unless Arsenal won the FA Cup, Premier League, and Champions League yesterday too!


Who is to say that Chelsea, position is not financially covered?
-Speculators?
Chelsea has not wobbled one bit in the face of the worst financial climate of the last 100 years. They are on course to be self-reliant and not depend on their more than capable OWNER to spend money from his pocket on the team.




  :rotfl: I'm not a Chelsea fan so I don't know their plan to balance their books. How is Chelsea on course to be self-reliant? Last I saw, their debt was £736m  :rotfl: When last did they make a profit?  :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on November 12, 2008, 11:57:25 PM
umm...... rethink what u just said there and think about the side u support and all the huge amt of monies they spend on bringing in quality players.
Doh study it.

Cesc and Henry was part of their youth development system .... Part of the same crop as Gallas, Nasri, Adebayor, Walcott, Van Persie, Sagna. All them players were never bought - they playing for Arsenal since they on apprentice contracts.

Just because of a one-off result from yesterday, Arsenal youth development program all of a sudden put Ajax to shame.


who said it put anyone to shame?

it might though, to bad chelsea and liverpool not around to test the theory

walcot bought as a youth so to cesc  and fast tracked through the system because he is good enough as are the rest who make it on to the first team and the others, those who didnt make it went on to other teams starting line ups. sidwell bentley hoyte aliadiere upson maumba etc etc

Yes, the side yesterday was youth DEVELOPMENT. For example, Wilshere's been at the club since 9

Cesc, Henry (was a struggling winger), Nasri, Adebayor, Walcott, Van Persie, Sagna wasn't youth DEVELOPMENT, it was investing in cheap young players with potential. I think you forgetting that Cesc was 16, Theo was 16. I'll add a few more to the list.
Diaby, Clichy, Denilson, Djourou, Ramsey, Vela (signed at 16/17). This isn't praising their youth system, it is their way to balance the books without a sugar daddy.

One more thing, that game yesterday wasn't about a "one -off result" If you watched the game you would know what's making stunner so excited.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: elan on November 13, 2008, 12:16:51 AM
All who complain that Chelsea is Rent Boys just Blue. This is about winning and the only way to win consistently is to have the best players. If getting the best player mean spending your money then so be it. Don't complain about me because I have and you don't or you don't want to spend. Some Millionaires have palaces and big cars, while others are humble. You choose, so live with it.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 13, 2008, 06:17:55 AM
All who complain that Chelsea is Rent Boys just Blue. This is about winning and the only way to win consistently is to have the best players. If getting the best player mean spending your money then so be it. Don't complain about me because I have and you don't or you don't want to spend. Some Millionaires have palaces and big cars, while others are humble. You choose, so live with it.

excuse me while i climb back on my horse, its a bit high you see
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 13, 2008, 06:21:08 AM
Could Wenger shape new England?
Phil McNulty - Sport Online chief football writer 12 Nov 08, 10:24 AM

Fabio Capello travelled to Arsenal on Tuesday night to watch Chris Kirkland in action - and may just have got a glimpse into England's golden future.

Not in the shape of Kirkland, but in the form of a glittering array of young talent who gave Wigan's goalkeeper a busy, and ultimately unhappy, evening against Arsenal.

And the man who can shape some of the key components of England's next generation is a manager who has been wrongly accused of ignoring home-grown talent in favour of polishing gems found on foreign soil.

Arsene Wenger has always judged players on ability as opposed to passport, and the start of an eloquent answer to his critics may have been on display as Arsenal demolished Wigan in the Carling Cup.

Wenger, as part of his usual strategy, has given youth its fling in the Carling Cup.

The results have been spectacular, with Sheffield United thrashed 6-0 and Wigan beaten 3-0 in dazzling displays of attacking football that have set the Emirates alight.

And, to the undoubted delight of Capello, there is a heavy English accent about Arsenal's current crop of youngsters.

It is a fact Wenger is keen to underscore, telling BBC Sport: "It is fantastic for the club, and don't forget that in this squad there are many strong English players."

Only time will tell whether these players develop sufficiently to become Arsenal regulars or force their way into England contention - who can make that definitive judgement yet? - but if they are good enough, Wenger will play them.

The signs, and the sounds coming out of the club, suggest this is a group of English players Wenger will be more than happy to place his trust in.

And with Aaron Ramsey of Wales also in the ranks, Wenger is ready to give the lie to those accusing him of ignoring young British talent.

David Bentley is the name often thrown in Arsenal and Wenger's face as a gifted home-grown talent whose route was blocked by imports.

But was he good enough at that time and have Arsenal really missed him? The answer to that, in my opinion, is "no".

Let's not forget he had an undistinguished season on loan at Norwich City before building his reputation at Blackburn Rovers and moving to Spurs. There have been very few days when Arsenal have cried out for Bentley.

And you could hardly quote Steve Sidwell, James Harper, Matthew Upson and Fabrice Muamba as examples of the ones who got away. Good players yes, but never likely to become Arsenal regulars.

Now we have the new breed, and Wenger is as excited as he has ever been about a group of young players under his tutelage.


Sheffield United manager Kevin Blackwell saw their quality at painfully close quarters in the Carling Cup third round, and he told BBC Sport: "We knew they were a good set of lads at Arsenal, but nobody knew how good they were.

"They were awesome at times and would have beaten most teams. A lot of people would like to know how Arsene Wenger can do it.

"He has gone around the world to pick out the best - but there are also four or five top-class English kids in there so that can only bode well for the future of the national team.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: acb on November 13, 2008, 09:25:16 AM
This has nothing to do with sugar daddy.

Roman Abromavich happens to be their OWNER. He can do/ spend what he likes on his team.
That 736M debt has a big huge asterik next to it. Why? Because Roman could choose to write it off if he pleases. It's money that is owed to him. For the sake of accounting purposes, the money that was injected into the team needs to be placed on the balance sheets.

Chelsea's plan is to become self-reliant by 2011, and indications so far from club management show that they are on course. If they hiccup, their owner is there and he can choose to bail them out or not.

Newcastle and Man U have done the same thing ... it's only that their owners don't have the resources that Abromavich has. The ones that complain wouldn't be complaining if the owners of their clubs had the resources to bring in the players they wanted to their club. Minus Robinho, who has Chelsea wanted that they have not got?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on November 13, 2008, 01:13:17 PM
This has nothing to do with sugar daddy.

Roman Abromavich happens to be their OWNER. He can do/ spend what he likes on his team.
That 736M debt has a big huge asterik next to it. Why? Because Roman could choose to write it off if he pleases. It's money that is owed to him. For the sake of accounting purposes, the money that was injected into the team needs to be placed on the balance sheets.

Chelsea's plan is to become self-reliant by 2011, and indications so far from club management show that they are on course. If they hiccup, their owner is there and he can choose to bail them out or not.

Newcastle and Man U have done the same thing ... it's only that their owners don't have the resources that Abromavich has. The ones that complain wouldn't be complaining if the owners of their clubs had the resources to bring in the players they wanted to their club. Minus Robinho, who has Chelsea wanted that they have not got?

I know he can write off the bill if he pleases, but your comment was that they are on course to be self-reliant and not need his money. Do you think that in 3 years Chelsea football club could make profits averaging £245 M ?
On last year's evidence, are they on course?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: acb on November 13, 2008, 02:28:27 PM
I know he can write off the bill if he pleases, but your comment was that they are on course to be self-reliant and not need his money. Do you think that in 3 years Chelsea football club could make profits averaging £245 M ?
On last year's evidence, are they on course?

One really cannot question question the accounting principles of Chelsea PLC.
They will use their own method of accounting, as specified by the FA to determine operating expenses, assets, debts and profit.
Abramovich's investments and committments dating back to '03 are stated below:

Quote
Under the deal, Mr Abramovich, a 36-year-old entrepreneur worth an estimated £3.8bn, will pay about £30m in cash for half the club's shares, and a further £80m to cover its debts.
He intends to buy the remaining shares in due course and is expected to write to shareholders in the next few days, offering them 35 pence a share - or about another £30m - for their holdings. The Russian billionaire, who has no other known football investments, has also signalled that he will use his wealth to help the club realise its "huge" potential.

Shares in Chelsea Village rose 12p to 40p in early trading on Wednesday before slipping back to close at 35p.
The London Stock Exchange (LSE) said it did not comment on whether it was investigating specific companies.
"We cannot comment on individual cases, but we monitor our markets very closely for unusual share price movements," an LSE spokesman said.
"If we thought there was a cause for concern, we would refer the matter to the Financial Services Authority (FSA) who have statutory powers of investigation

You can stagger your debt and carry it forward over the course of a few years in order to "write-off" debt and turn a smaller profit on your books, with regards to outstanding monies and where taxes are due. All business do so. I am not aware of the tax-code and or status of football clubs in the UK and whether or not they are run as tax-exempt entities, but if they are a taxable entity, then not showing a profit for as long as need be, while coping with the eveyday operating expenses - and remaining to be highly competitive and relevant would lead me to believe that the gentlemen steering the ship are doing a fine job.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on November 13, 2008, 03:02:46 PM
I know he can write off the bill if he pleases, but your comment was that they are on course to be self-reliant and not need his money. Do you think that in 3 years Chelsea football club could make profits averaging £245 M ?
On last year's evidence, are they on course?

One really cannot question question the accounting principles of Chelsea PLC.
They will use their own method of accounting, as specified by the FA to determine operating expenses, assets, debts and profit.
Abramovich's investments and committments dating back to '03 are stated below:

Quote
Under the deal, Mr Abramovich, a 36-year-old entrepreneur worth an estimated £3.8bn, will pay about £30m in cash for half the club's shares, and a further £80m to cover its debts.
He intends to buy the remaining shares in due course and is expected to write to shareholders in the next few days, offering them 35 pence a share - or about another £30m - for their holdings. The Russian billionaire, who has no other known football investments, has also signalled that he will use his wealth to help the club realise its "huge" potential.

Shares in Chelsea Village rose 12p to 40p in early trading on Wednesday before slipping back to close at 35p.
The London Stock Exchange (LSE) said it did not comment on whether it was investigating specific companies.
"We cannot comment on individual cases, but we monitor our markets very closely for unusual share price movements," an LSE spokesman said.
"If we thought there was a cause for concern, we would refer the matter to the Financial Services Authority (FSA) who have statutory powers of investigation

You can stagger your debt and carry it forward over the course of a few years in order to "write-off" debt and turn a smaller profit on your books, with regards to outstanding monies and where taxes are due. All business do so. I am not aware of the tax-code and or status of football clubs in the UK and whether or not they are run as tax-exempt entities, but if they are a taxable entity, then not showing a profit for as long as need be, while coping with the eveyday operating expenses - and remaining to be highly competitive and relevant would lead me to believe that the gentlemen steering the ship are doing a fine job.

In 2003, they didn't have a debt in excess of 700 M. Anyway, enough about CSKA London, this is the Arsenal thread.
Arsenal has what seems to be a fine job plan to erase their stadium debt. They have a fixed rate long term loan, but that might not even come to factor in it, because they developed Highbury into apartment homes and they're more than 95% sold. Money is due to come in 2009, around 200-300 M
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on November 13, 2008, 09:12:56 PM
This has nothing to do with sugar daddy.

Roman Abromavich happens to be their OWNER. He can do/ spend what he likes on his team.
That 736M debt has a big huge asterik next to it. Why? Because Roman could choose to write it off if he pleases. It's money that is owed to him. For the sake of accounting purposes, the money that was injected into the team needs to be placed on the balance sheets.

Chelsea's plan is to become self-reliant by 2011, and indications so far from club management show that they are on course. If they hiccup, their owner is there and he can choose to bail them out or not.

Newcastle and Man U have done the same thing ... it's only that their owners don't have the resources that Abromavich has. The ones that complain wouldn't be complaining if the owners of their clubs had the resources to bring in the players they wanted to their club. Minus Robinho, who has Chelsea wanted that they have not got?
Nonsense!!!

Chelsea is a sugardaddy club. Plain and Simple.

Balance books my ass. Only if Palin or Bush is the accountant!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: acb on November 13, 2008, 10:37:19 PM
which owner does not invest their own money in their business to see it succeed?
Abramovich has done that plain and simple.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on November 14, 2008, 12:47:55 AM
which owner does not invest their own money in their business to see it succeed?
Abramovich has done that plain and simple.


Actually, owners invest in their business to make a profit.
Anything else is a sugar daddy, plain and simple.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 14, 2008, 04:00:01 PM
Villa tomorrow

hope they don't find thier form as well
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on November 14, 2008, 04:42:25 PM
Villa tomorrow

hope they don't find thier form as well

Adebayor and Almunia are back. Ade should be on the bench though.
Would like to see Vela get a run out.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 14, 2008, 07:41:53 PM
Villa tomorrow

hope they don't find thier form as well

Adebayor and Almunia are back. Ade should be on the bench though.
Would like to see Vela get a run out.

van persie too?

i say use nasri and walcot on the wings
cesc diaby and denilson middle
sagna, clichy toure silvestre back
with ade up front
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on November 14, 2008, 07:58:31 PM
Villa tomorrow

hope they don't find thier form as well

Adebayor and Almunia are back. Ade should be on the bench though.
Would like to see Vela get a run out.

van persie too?

i say use nasri and walcot on the wings
cesc diaby and denilson middle
sagna, clichy toure silvestre back
with ade up front


Van Persie is still suspended. I think he is due back for the Chelski game.

I don't think Ade will start, he was doubtful until today, so might not risk it.

Either

Almunia
Sagna_Silly_Willy_Clichy
Theo_Cesc_Diaby_Nasri
Bendtner_Vela

or

Almunia
Sagna_Silly_Willy_Clichy
Theo_Cesc_Denilson_Nasri
Diaby
Bendtner
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: JDB on November 14, 2008, 08:02:37 PM
This has nothing to do with sugar daddy.

Roman Abromavich happens to be their OWNER. He can do/ spend what he likes on his team.
That 736M debt has a big huge asterik next to it. Why? Because Roman could choose to write it off if he pleases. It's money that is owed to him. For the sake of accounting purposes, the money that was injected into the team needs to be placed on the balance sheets.

Chelsea's plan is to become self-reliant by 2011, and indications so far from club management show that they are on course. If they hiccup, their owner is there and he can choose to bail them out or not.

Newcastle and Man U have done the same thing ... it's only that their owners don't have the resources that Abromavich has. The ones that complain wouldn't be complaining if the owners of their clubs had the resources to bring in the players they wanted to their club. Minus Robinho, who has Chelsea wanted that they have not got?

United have very little in common with Newcastle and even less Chelsea. United's debt is because the owners leveraged their investment when they bought it. They have not operated at a loss for a decade plus as Chelsea has. Remember that when Abramovich bought the club they had 80M debt already.

Also United has shown by their turnover and annual profit that they have the ability to service their debt. Chelsea do not and as a result their debt grows annually.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: morvant on November 15, 2008, 10:15:11 AM
bentner killing we right now

ade comming on so all is well
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: WestCoast on November 15, 2008, 10:39:49 AM
waz de score in dis game :devil:
n e 1?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: capodetutticapi on November 15, 2008, 10:42:05 AM
gunners dong 1 nil  :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: WestCoast on November 15, 2008, 10:45:36 AM
gunners dong 1 nil  :devil:
2 now  :whistling:

my daughter must be fuming
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on November 15, 2008, 10:47:33 AM
Better we play the younger kids instead of the kids who play today
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: capodetutticapi on November 15, 2008, 10:50:54 AM
2 nil.hahahhahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahah.meh belly hurtin.hahahahahahaahahahahaahahahah.at home too.hahahahahahahaahahahhahahahahahahaahah
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on November 15, 2008, 11:02:43 AM
a top 10 finish would be a creditable achievement for arsenal this year.

this thread should be renamed... "ARSENAL FOREVER...... YOUNG"
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on November 15, 2008, 11:08:18 AM
a top 10 finish would be a creditable achievement for arsenal this year.

this thread should be renamed... "ARSENAL FOREVER...... YOUNG"

I see you get out of "Fiji" in time to be a voyeur  :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Tenorsaw on November 15, 2008, 11:09:01 AM
Yet Wenger is about pursuing his model of youth movement.  The team needs some balance.  
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: RedDevils on November 15, 2008, 11:09:23 AM
we give allyuh ah confidence booster lastweek to come an do this shit this week.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on November 15, 2008, 11:10:25 AM
a top 10 finish would be a creditable achievement for arsenal this year.

this thread should be renamed... "ARSENAL FOREVER...... YOUNG"

I see you get out of "Fiji" in time to be a voyeur  :devil:

 :rotfl:

no... that would be your manager. ;)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: acb on November 15, 2008, 11:10:38 AM
which owner does not invest their own money in their business to see it succeed?
Abramovich has done that plain and simple.


Actually, owners invest in their business to make a profit.
Anything else is a sugar daddy, plain and simple.



you make a profit over time.
There's an initial period called the payback period, during which time the capital layout is recouped.
Given that Abramovich only purchase Chelsea 5 years ago, the club is well on course to be financially sound.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on November 15, 2008, 11:11:47 AM
Yet Wenger is about pursuing his model of youth movement.  The team needs some balance.  

They need some motivation first
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on November 15, 2008, 11:14:37 AM
which owner does not invest their own money in their business to see it succeed?
Abramovich has done that plain and simple.


Actually, owners invest in their business to make a profit.
Anything else is a sugar daddy, plain and simple.



you make a profit over time.
There's an initial period called the payback period, during which time the capital layout is recouped.
Given that Abramovich only purchase Chelsea 5 years ago, the club is well on course to be financially sound.



Before you start the "payback period" you need to make a net profit for that year (income - expenses) ... otherwise you operate at a loss, and keep increasing the money owed.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on November 15, 2008, 11:15:32 AM
tsk tsk tsk......
 :-\ :-\ :-\ :'( :'( :-[ :-[
i feeling sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo soorry

















for Young cause he eh score he penalty  ::)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on November 15, 2008, 11:16:44 AM
which owner does not invest their own money in their business to see it succeed?
Abramovich has done that plain and simple.


Actually, owners invest in their business to make a profit.
Anything else is a sugar daddy, plain and simple.



you make a profit over time.
There's an initial period called the payback period, during which time the capital layout is recouped.
Given that Abramovich only purchase Chelsea 5 years ago, the club is well on course to be financially sound.



Before you start the "payback period" you need to make a net profit for that year (income - expenses) ... otherwise you operate at a loss, and keep increasing the money owed.

arsenal should give up football and open an accounting firm.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: acb on November 15, 2008, 11:19:45 AM
United have very little in common with Newcastle and even less Chelsea. United's debt is because the owners leveraged their investment when they bought it. They have not operated at a loss for a decade plus as Chelsea has. Remember that when Abramovich bought the club they had 80M debt already.

Also United has shown by their turnover and annual profit that they have the ability to service their debt. Chelsea do not and as a result their debt grows annually.

debt is debt, ie, they still have large outstanding sums of money owed to debtors/ investors.
How they incurred it, like how every firm does, is always going to be a unique case.
In Chelsea's case, added debt has led to immediate success for the club, which translates into bigger audiences, corporate sponsors, merchandise revenue, overseas tours, etc - all methods to increase the revenue stream to the club.

Chelsea enjoys a luxury many other teams do not, which allows it to benefit from it's unique position. Chelsea guarantor's wealth vastly surpasses those of the other owners in the EPL, bar Man C - it allows him the luxury of carrying that debt until Chelsea FC PLC is able to raise & maintain their revenue streams so as to turn over a profit on a regular basis.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on November 15, 2008, 11:20:21 AM
Now i real upset this shitside beat us...  inconsistent f**ks
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: SOBRIQUET on November 15, 2008, 11:21:04 AM
which owner does not invest their own money in their business to see it succeed?
Abramovich has done that plain and simple.


Actually, owners invest in their business to make a profit.
Anything else is a sugar daddy, plain and simple.



you make a profit over time.
There's an initial period called the payback period, during which time the capital layout is recouped.
Given that Abramovich only purchase Chelsea 5 years ago, the club is well on course to be financially sound.



Before you start the "payback period" you need to make a net profit for that year (income - expenses) ... otherwise you operate at a loss, and keep increasing the money owed.

arsenal should give up football and open an accounting firm.

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on November 15, 2008, 11:49:47 AM
which owner does not invest their own money in their business to see it succeed?
Abramovich has done that plain and simple.


Actually, owners invest in their business to make a profit.
Anything else is a sugar daddy, plain and simple.



you make a profit over time.
There's an initial period called the payback period, during which time the capital layout is recouped.
Given that Abramovich only purchase Chelsea 5 years ago, the club is well on course to be financially sound.


Breds give it up with this nonsense you talking nah.

Everybody, including Chelsea fans of average intellect knows that they are a Sugar Daddy team. All this highbrow financial nonsense doesn't change that.

Use your commonsense bro!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kicker on November 15, 2008, 12:18:44 PM
I think Aston Villa is the one of (if not the) best coached team in the EPL- The times that I've been able to watch their games, they're always disciplined, and put up a solid, smart team performance- Arsene Wenger was out coached today.  He had no answer for how Martin O'Neil put the clamps down on his midfield...and he had no tactical means of neutralizing Villa's biggest attacking weapons (Gaby Ab. & Ashley Young)...they ran Arsenal's back line rugged all day.  Sidwell & G.Barry were almost flawless in midfield, and Larsson & Davies (the red man with the buss head) were a wall at the back- Arsenal for all the talk of their inventive football were far from inventive today...and I've been saying for years William Gallas is sooooooo overrated.  He's such an ordinary player it's not even funny...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Tenorsaw on November 15, 2008, 12:26:59 PM
United have very little in common with Newcastle and even less Chelsea. United's debt is because the owners leveraged their investment when they bought it. They have not operated at a loss for a decade plus as Chelsea has. Remember that when Abramovich bought the club they had 80M debt already.

Also United has shown by their turnover and annual profit that they have the ability to service their debt. Chelsea do not and as a result their debt grows annually.

debt is debt, ie, they still have large outstanding sums of money owed to debtors/ investors.
How they incurred it, like how every firm does, is always going to be a unique case.
In Chelsea's case, added debt has led to immediate success for the club, which translates into bigger audiences, corporate sponsors, merchandise revenue, overseas tours, etc - all methods to increase the revenue stream to the club.

Chelsea enjoys a luxury many other teams do not, which allows it to benefit from it's unique position. Chelsea guarantor's wealth vastly surpasses those of the other owners in the EPL, bar Man C - it allows him the luxury of carrying that debt until Chelsea FC PLC is able to raise & maintain their revenue streams so as to turn over a profit on a regular basis.



Just remember that Abramovich has taken a big hit with this global credit crunch, hence his tight wad policy recently.  Also, how loong is he going to support Chelsea out of his own pocket.  Eventually, the club is going to have to demonstrate that it can generate positive cash flows from its operations.  To do that, Chelsea will need to market its brand globally in an more aggressive fashion, invest more in its youth academy, and make a concerted effort to bring players through its ranks (when last has Chelsea unleashed an academy prospect?). 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: acb on November 15, 2008, 12:31:53 PM
which owner does not invest their own money in their business to see it succeed?
Abramovich has done that plain and simple.


Actually, owners invest in their business to make a profit.
Anything else is a sugar daddy, plain and simple.



you make a profit over time.
There's an initial period called the payback period, during which time the capital layout is recouped.
Given that Abramovich only purchase Chelsea 5 years ago, the club is well on course to be financially sound.


Breds give it up with this nonsense you talking nah.

Everybody, including Chelsea fans of average intellect knows that they are a Sugar Daddy team. All this highbrow financial nonsense doesn't change that.

Use your commonsense bro!

Bottom line is that football is run as a business. If Football was not a business, there would be no need for FIFA, UEFA, CONCACAF, etc.
If Football was not a business, all these threads mentioning JW would be irrelevant.
Furthermore, SW.net might not even be an entity if Football wasn't a business.
-- Well I don't know who "owns" SW.net and what the revenue/ advertising stream is for the website - but why not call SW.net a sugardaddy website too?

Based on the arguement made in another highly involved thread, there is some distinction between average and less that average Trinis/ Guyanese/ Guyadadian etc.

Sugardaddy Team is an allegation of the common outsiders pulling for another team, who's resources stand way below those of their competitors, viz. Chelsea, Man U, Real Madrid, etc.

How you choose to conduct your own business will ultimatley have a final bearing on your business' success.
Chelsea has been doing a more than remarkable job running their business the way the see fit, and the results speak for themselves.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 16, 2008, 05:05:56 AM
puke we deserved to get booed off the park today
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 16, 2008, 05:09:53 AM
I think Aston Villa is the one of (if not the) best coached team in the EPL- The times that I've been able to watch their games, they're always disciplined, and put up a solid, smart team performance- Arsene Wenger was out coached today.  He had no answer for how Martin O'Neil put the clamps down on his midfield...and he had no tactical means of neutralizing Villa's biggest attacking weapons (Gaby Ab. & Ashley Young)...they ran Arsenal's back line rugged all day.  Sidwell & G.Barry were almost flawless in midfield, and Larsson & Davies (the red man with the buss head) were a wall at the back- Arsenal for all the talk of their inventive football were far from inventive today...and I've been saying for years William Gallas is sooooooo overrated.  He's such an ordinary player it's not even funny...

martin is one of the underrated managers out there
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 16, 2008, 05:14:58 AM
Now i real upset this shitside beat us...  inconsistent f**ks

stop talkin shite

your loss means your inconsistent as well, villa was on the back of two shit games and played nothing like what they showed yesterday
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on November 16, 2008, 10:33:33 AM
which owner does not invest their own money in their business to see it succeed?
Abramovich has done that plain and simple.


Actually, owners invest in their business to make a profit.
Anything else is a sugar daddy, plain and simple.



you make a profit over time.
There's an initial period called the payback period, during which time the capital layout is recouped.
Given that Abramovich only purchase Chelsea 5 years ago, the club is well on course to be financially sound.


Breds give it up with this nonsense you talking nah.

Everybody, including Chelsea fans of average intellect knows that they are a Sugar Daddy team. All this highbrow financial nonsense doesn't change that.

Use your commonsense bro!

Bottom line is that football is run as a business. If Football was not a business, there would be no need for FIFA, UEFA, CONCACAF, etc.
If Football was not a business, all these threads mentioning JW would be irrelevant.
Furthermore, SW.net might not even be an entity if Football wasn't a business.
-- Well I don't know who "owns" SW.net and what the revenue/ advertising stream is for the website - but why not call SW.net a sugardaddy website too?

Based on the arguement made in another highly involved thread, there is some distinction between average and less that average Trinis/ Guyanese/ Guyadadian etc.

Sugardaddy Team is an allegation of the common outsiders pulling for another team, who's resources stand way below those of their competitors, viz. Chelsea, Man U, Real Madrid, etc.

How you choose to conduct your own business will ultimatley have a final bearing on your business' success.
Chelsea has been doing a more than remarkable job running their business the way the see fit, and the results speak for themselves.


Again bro this is just garbage an you are grasping at straws.

Nobody refers to Man U or Liverpool in the same way. Those teams have to stay within budget when they buy. That budget is determined by revenue. Chelsea and now Man City have owners that are willing to spend anything to get players. That is, their expenditure on players is not governed by their revenue. Hence, Sugar Daddy Teams!!!

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on November 16, 2008, 12:23:52 PM
which owner does not invest their own money in their business to see it succeed?
Abramovich has done that plain and simple.


Actually, owners invest in their business to make a profit.
Anything else is a sugar daddy, plain and simple.



you make a profit over time.
There's an initial period called the payback period, during which time the capital layout is recouped.
Given that Abramovich only purchase Chelsea 5 years ago, the club is well on course to be financially sound.


Breds give it up with this nonsense you talking nah.

Everybody, including Chelsea fans of average intellect knows that they are a Sugar Daddy team. All this highbrow financial nonsense doesn't change that.

Use your commonsense bro!

Bottom line is that football is run as a business. If Football was not a business, there would be no need for FIFA, UEFA, CONCACAF, etc.
If Football was not a business, all these threads mentioning JW would be irrelevant.
Furthermore, SW.net might not even be an entity if Football wasn't a business.

-- Well I don't know who "owns" SW.net and what the revenue/ advertising stream is for the website - but why not call SW.net a sugardaddy website too?

Based on the arguement made in another highly involved thread, there is some distinction between average and less that average Trinis/ Guyanese/ Guyadadian etc.

Sugardaddy Team is an allegation of the common outsiders pulling for another team, who's resources stand way below those of their competitors, viz. Chelsea, Man U, Real Madrid, etc.

How you choose to conduct your own business will ultimatley have a final bearing on your business' success.
Chelsea has been doing a more than remarkable job running their business the way the see fit, and the results speak for themselves.


Again bro this is just garbage an you are grasping at straws.

Nobody refers to Man U or Liverpool in the same way. Those teams have to stay within budget when they buy. That budget is determined by revenue. Chelsea and now Man City have owners that are willing to spend anything to get players. That is, their expenditure on players is not governed by their revenue. Hence, Sugar Daddy Teams!!!



Just because we have:
FIFA
UEFA
CONCACAF
Jack Warner
Socawarriors.net

That means every football club in the world is run as a money-making business?
 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 17, 2008, 09:07:04 PM
man city next

i feel ah robhino hatrick
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on November 17, 2008, 09:13:34 PM
a lil something to lift de spirits around here....



Smith brace eases Arsenal to win
By Tony Leighton

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/women/7732436.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/women/7732436.stm)

(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45211000/jpg/_45211619_-4.jpg)
Kelly Smith
Smith took her season's goal tally to 20 with a double against Forest

Arsenal bounced back from their midweek Uefa Cup exit with a comfortable 5-0 win at home to Nottingham Forest.

England striker Kelly Smith scored twice as the Gunners maintained their 100% start to the season, while Forest remain in the relegation zone.

In the weekend's only other top flight game, Bristol Academy twice came from behind to force a 3-3 draw at Watford.

Lisa Burrows had scored to put the Hornets 3-1 up, but she netted a late own goal equaliser for the visitors.

Arsenal 5-0 Nottingham Forest

An eighth-minute goal by England left winger Rachel Yankey put Arsenal on the road to their 11th successive League and Cup victory in domestic competition.

Forest fought back well but the Gunners, stung by their midweek 6-0 Uefa Cup thrashing at the hands of Swedish side Umea, were in determined mood.

And they had victory wrapped up by half-time after Smith struck in the 33rd and 41st minutes to take her season's goal tally to 20.

England midfielder Katie Chapman bagged the fourth goal 12 minutes after the interval and Scotland captain Julie Fleeting completed the scoring three minutes from time.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: acb on November 17, 2008, 09:28:16 PM
Again bro this is just garbage an you are grasping at straws.

Nobody refers to Man U or Liverpool in the same way. Those teams have to stay within budget when they buy. That budget is determined by revenue. Chelsea and now Man City have owners that are willing to spend anything to get players. That is, their expenditure on players is not governed by their revenue. Hence, Sugar Daddy Teams!!!

Sure, is garbage. Sugardaddy too.

Wouldn't dare mention the untouchables either. Will just clarify that Liverpool isn't mentioned in the same way because their owners over leveraged themselves, cannot afford a new stadium, and have to renege on promises made to their supporters - while their owners are too busy tripping over their egos. But you will never walk alone.  

Man U not mentioned in the same way either because they only recently restructured their debt to match spending that exceeded the ability to effectively service their debt from cashflow derived from their revenue streams.

Not everyone envisions the way success is attained in the same manner. Chelsea have gone about it in a way that they forecast as being self-sustainable by 2011, and so far have been very successful at it - both on the field and in the back offices.  
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: acb on November 17, 2008, 09:29:20 PM
a lil something to lift de spirits around here....



Smith brace eases Arsenal to win
By Tony Leighton

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/women/7732436.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/women/7732436.stm)

(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45211000/jpg/_45211619_-4.jpg)
Kelly Smith
Smith took her season's goal tally to 20 with a double against Forest

Arsenal bounced back from their midweek Uefa Cup exit with a comfortable 5-0 win at home to Nottingham Forest.

England striker Kelly Smith scored twice as the Gunners maintained their 100% start to the season, while Forest remain in the relegation zone.

In the weekend's only other top flight game, Bristol Academy twice came from behind to force a 3-3 draw at Watford.

Lisa Burrows had scored to put the Hornets 3-1 up, but she netted a late own goal equaliser for the visitors.

Arsenal 5-0 Nottingham Forest

An eighth-minute goal by England left winger Rachel Yankey put Arsenal on the road to their 11th successive League and Cup victory in domestic competition.

Forest fought back well but the Gunners, stung by their midweek 6-0 Uefa Cup thrashing at the hands of Swedish side Umea, were in determined mood.

And they had victory wrapped up by half-time after Smith struck in the 33rd and 41st minutes to take her season's goal tally to 20.

England midfielder Katie Chapman bagged the fourth goal 12 minutes after the interval and Scotland captain Julie Fleeting completed the scoring three minutes from time.

Wonder if she'll be playing in WUSA take II.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on November 18, 2008, 10:08:15 AM
Again bro this is just garbage an you are grasping at straws.

Nobody refers to Man U or Liverpool in the same way. Those teams have to stay within budget when they buy. That budget is determined by revenue. Chelsea and now Man City have owners that are willing to spend anything to get players. That is, their expenditure on players is not governed by their revenue. Hence, Sugar Daddy Teams!!!

Sure, is garbage. Sugardaddy too.

Wouldn't dare mention the untouchables either. Will just clarify that Liverpool isn't mentioned in the same way because their owners over leveraged themselves, cannot afford a new stadium, and have to renege on promises made to their supporters - while their owners are too busy tripping over their egos. But you will never walk alone.  

Man U not mentioned in the same way either because they only recently restructured their debt to match spending that exceeded the ability to effectively service their debt from cashflow derived from their revenue streams.

Not everyone envisions the way success is attained in the same manner. Chelsea have gone about it in a way that they forecast as being self-sustainable by 2011, and so far have been very successful at it - both on the field and in the back offices.  
Think with your head and not your heart bro! You sound like a young fan.

Simply put. If Roman left now, where would they be. He paid 30m for Sheva because he is a fan. That was not based on business.

Chelsea does not have a business model bro, they have a Sugar Daddy!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on November 18, 2008, 10:17:23 AM
Again bro this is just garbage an you are grasping at straws.

Nobody refers to Man U or Liverpool in the same way. Those teams have to stay within budget when they buy. That budget is determined by revenue. Chelsea and now Man City have owners that are willing to spend anything to get players. That is, their expenditure on players is not governed by their revenue. Hence, Sugar Daddy Teams!!!

Sure, is garbage. Sugardaddy too.

Wouldn't dare mention the untouchables either. Will just clarify that Liverpool isn't mentioned in the same way because their owners over leveraged themselves, cannot afford a new stadium, and have to renege on promises made to their supporters - while their owners are too busy tripping over their egos. But you will never walk alone.  

Man U not mentioned in the same way either because they only recently restructured their debt to match spending that exceeded the ability to effectively service their debt from cashflow derived from their revenue streams.

Not everyone envisions the way success is attained in the same manner. Chelsea have gone about it in a way that they forecast as being self-sustainable by 2011, and so far have been very successful at it - both on the field and in the back offices.  
Think with your head and not your heart bro! You sound like a young fan.

Simply put. If Roman left now, where would they be. He paid 30m for Sheva because he is a fan. That was not based on business.

Chelsea does not have a business model bro, they have a Sugar Daddy!

u trying to talk cents with a man who does back chelsea?  ::)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: JDB on November 18, 2008, 10:21:18 AM
United have very little in common with Newcastle and even less Chelsea. United's debt is because the owners leveraged their investment when they bought it. They have not operated at a loss for a decade plus as Chelsea has. Remember that when Abramovich bought the club they had 80M debt already.

Also United has shown by their turnover and annual profit that they have the ability to service their debt. Chelsea do not and as a result their debt grows annually.

debt is debt, ie, they still have large outstanding sums of money owed to debtors/ investors.
How they incurred it, like how every firm does, is always going to be a unique case.
In Chelsea's case, added debt has led to immediate success for the club, which translates into bigger audiences, corporate sponsors, merchandise revenue, overseas tours, etc - all methods to increase the revenue stream to the club.

Chelsea enjoys a luxury many other teams do not, which allows it to benefit from it's unique position. Chelsea guarantor's wealth vastly surpasses those of the other owners in the EPL, bar Man C - it allows him the luxury of carrying that debt until Chelsea FC PLC is able to raise & maintain their revenue streams so as to turn over a profit on a regular basis.

um No debt is not debt.

United is leveraged againstits actual value. banks know that the club valuable and it is a sound investment. If the club is sold its debts are easily paid off.

The same cannot be said for Chelsea. No bank would bankroll them and they were desperately seeking financing before Abramovich. Siince then they have become even more in debt. Also all your talk about Chelsea making money at some indeterminate point in the future is still a pipedream for a club that will need a stadium (i.e. an additional hundreds of millions of investment) to have any ope of saving money. Also their business plan is heavily dependent on developing markets in the US and Asia that may never happen.

Nothing is wrong with reveling in Chelsea's good fortune that they don't have to worry about debt, and Chelsea could have a year in the black at some time in the future, but don't BS people with the belief that Chelsea will be returning Abramovoich's expenditure.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 18, 2008, 10:23:07 AM
a lil something to lift de spirits around here....



Smith brace eases Arsenal to win
By Tony Leighton

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/women/7732436.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/women/7732436.stm)

(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45211000/jpg/_45211619_-4.jpg)
Kelly Smith
Smith took her season's goal tally to 20 with a double against Forest

Arsenal bounced back from their midweek Uefa Cup exit with a comfortable 5-0 win at home to Nottingham Forest.

England striker Kelly Smith scored twice as the Gunners maintained their 100% start to the season, while Forest remain in the relegation zone.

In the weekend's only other top flight game, Bristol Academy twice came from behind to force a 3-3 draw at Watford.

Lisa Burrows had scored to put the Hornets 3-1 up, but she netted a late own goal equaliser for the visitors.

Arsenal 5-0 Nottingham Forest

An eighth-minute goal by England left winger Rachel Yankey put Arsenal on the road to their 11th successive League and Cup victory in domestic competition.

Forest fought back well but the Gunners, stung by their midweek 6-0 Uefa Cup thrashing at the hands of Swedish side Umea, were in determined mood.

And they had victory wrapped up by half-time after Smith struck in the 33rd and 41st minutes to take her season's goal tally to 20.

England midfielder Katie Chapman bagged the fourth goal 12 minutes after the interval and Scotland captain Julie Fleeting completed the scoring three minutes from time.

fact when we gunner girls doing great de men doing toots
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 18, 2008, 10:30:57 AM
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/highbury-square-latest?image=3 (http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/highbury-square-latest?image=3)

this should show the investment arsenal has done to ensure the clubs strong financial future

separate from the clubs finances but revenue earned from it will go to the club.

smart shrewed sound business, now to transfer that to the pitch!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on November 20, 2008, 09:30:55 AM
wtf??


Arsenal not brave enough - Gallas

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/7739830.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/7739830.stm)

William Gallas
Gallas says Arsenal's dressing room is becoming increasingly fractious

Arsenal captain William Gallas has warned the Gunners' young stars that they are "not brave enough" to challenge for the Premier League title.

Saturday's 2-0 defeat by Aston Villa made it four losses in total this term for Arsenal, leaving them nine points adrift of Chelsea and Liverpool.

And 31-year-old Gallas said: "We are not brave enough in battle.

"I think we need to be soldiers. To be champions, you have to play big matches every weekend and fight."

Speaking to the Associated Press, he added: "We are coming up against teams who are not scared to play football against us, who are not scared to take us on at our place, and this is becoming dangerous for Arsenal.

"We have to be warriors. That is how the team will forge their character and experience."

Frenchman Gallas has come under severe personal scrutiny as Arsenal skipper, most recently receiving criticism after being photographed leaving a nightclub with a cigarette in his mouth.

And he was also barracked following a show of petulance at the end of his side's 2-2 draw with Birmingham City last season - and he has admitted friction is creeping into the Arsenal camp.

   
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Is this a wind-up or not? Can't believe he'd discuss such things in public...

GalacticGarfield

"There was a problem at half-time of the 4-4 draw with Tottenham," he said. "The only thing that I could say at half-time was 'guys, we resolve these problems after the match, not at halftime'."

Gallas revealed that on another occasion some Arsenal players had been insulted by their own team-mate.

"When as captain some players come up to you and talk to you about a player... complaining about him... and then during the match you speak to this player and the player in question insults us, there comes a time where we can no longer comprehend how this can happen," he said.

Gallas would not reveal the player's name, although he said the incident occurred during an attacking phase of play, saying: "I am trying to defend myself a bit without giving names. Otherwise I'm taking it all (the blame). I'm 31, the player is six years younger than me."


Still, the centre-half believes his side can still challenge for honours this season, though he added another season without silverware "would be a kind of failure".

"I have to win something this year. I have to win something, Arsenal has to win something. It's four or five years since Arsenal won anything - 2004 (the league title). That's nearly five years, and that's not good.

"(Big contracts) make the difference, perhaps. You can rest on your laurels, that's for sure."

Arsenal travel to Manchester City in the league on Saturday hoping to avoid their first back-to-back defeats in 58 Premier League encounters.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 20, 2008, 10:14:58 AM
wtf??


Arsenal not brave enough - Gallas

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/7739830.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/7739830.stm)

William Gallas
Gallas says Arsenal's dressing room is becoming increasingly fractious

Arsenal captain William Gallas has warned the Gunners' young stars that they are "not brave enough" to challenge for the Premier League title.

Saturday's 2-0 defeat by Aston Villa made it four losses in total this term for Arsenal, leaving them nine points adrift of Chelsea and Liverpool.

And 31-year-old Gallas said: "We are not brave enough in battle.

"I think we need to be soldiers. To be champions, you have to play big matches every weekend and fight."

Speaking to the Associated Press, he added: "We are coming up against teams who are not scared to play football against us, who are not scared to take us on at our place, and this is becoming dangerous for Arsenal.

"We have to be warriors. That is how the team will forge their character and experience."

Frenchman Gallas has come under severe personal scrutiny as Arsenal skipper, most recently receiving criticism after being photographed leaving a nightclub with a cigarette in his mouth.

And he was also barracked following a show of petulance at the end of his side's 2-2 draw with Birmingham City last season - and he has admitted friction is creeping into the Arsenal camp.

   
606: DEBATE
Is this a wind-up or not? Can't believe he'd discuss such things in public...

GalacticGarfield

"There was a problem at half-time of the 4-4 draw with Tottenham," he said. "The only thing that I could say at half-time was 'guys, we resolve these problems after the match, not at halftime'."

Gallas revealed that on another occasion some Arsenal players had been insulted by their own team-mate.

"When as captain some players come up to you and talk to you about a player... complaining about him... and then during the match you speak to this player and the player in question insults us, there comes a time where we can no longer comprehend how this can happen," he said.

Gallas would not reveal the player's name, although he said the incident occurred during an attacking phase of play, saying: "I am trying to defend myself a bit without giving names. Otherwise I'm taking it all (the blame). I'm 31, the player is six years younger than me."


Still, the centre-half believes his side can still challenge for honours this season, though he added another season without silverware "would be a kind of failure".

"I have to win something this year. I have to win something, Arsenal has to win something. It's four or five years since Arsenal won anything - 2004 (the league title). That's nearly five years, and that's not good.

"(Big contracts) make the difference, perhaps. You can rest on your laurels, that's for sure."

Arsenal travel to Manchester City in the league on Saturday hoping to avoid their first back-to-back defeats in 58 Premier League encounters.

ent i read that in dismay thats tant amount to sabotage revealing such details. but explains the lack of consitency with such in fighting.

bets on who the 6 years younger upstart is? my money is on fabregas
the player who cusses them? bendtner
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on November 20, 2008, 10:21:50 AM

ent i read that in dismay thats tant amount to sabotage revealing such details. but explains the lack of consitency with such in fighting.

bets on who the 6 years younger upstart is? my money is on fabregas
the player who cusses them? bendtner


and the next thing is, Gallas should be the last one to talk about who need to fight and be brave..

he's de one getting mash up for most of the goals.. look how easy agbonlahor deal with him last week.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on November 20, 2008, 10:30:07 AM
wtf??


Arsenal not brave enough - Gallas

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/7739830.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/7739830.stm)

William Gallas
Gallas says Arsenal's dressing room is becoming increasingly fractious

Arsenal captain William Gallas has warned the Gunners' young stars that they are "not brave enough" to challenge for the Premier League title.

Saturday's 2-0 defeat by Aston Villa made it four losses in total this term for Arsenal, leaving them nine points adrift of Chelsea and Liverpool.

And 31-year-old Gallas said: "We are not brave enough in battle.

"I think we need to be soldiers. To be champions, you have to play big matches every weekend and fight."

Speaking to the Associated Press, he added: "We are coming up against teams who are not scared to play football against us, who are not scared to take us on at our place, and this is becoming dangerous for Arsenal.

"We have to be warriors. That is how the team will forge their character and experience."

Frenchman Gallas has come under severe personal scrutiny as Arsenal skipper, most recently receiving criticism after being photographed leaving a nightclub with a cigarette in his mouth.

And he was also barracked following a show of petulance at the end of his side's 2-2 draw with Birmingham City last season - and he has admitted friction is creeping into the Arsenal camp.

   
606: DEBATE
Is this a wind-up or not? Can't believe he'd discuss such things in public...

GalacticGarfield

"There was a problem at half-time of the 4-4 draw with Tottenham," he said. "The only thing that I could say at half-time was 'guys, we resolve these problems after the match, not at halftime'."

Gallas revealed that on another occasion some Arsenal players had been insulted by their own team-mate.

"When as captain some players come up to you and talk to you about a player... complaining about him... and then during the match you speak to this player and the player in question insults us, there comes a time where we can no longer comprehend how this can happen," he said.

Gallas would not reveal the player's name, although he said the incident occurred during an attacking phase of play, saying: "I am trying to defend myself a bit without giving names. Otherwise I'm taking it all (the blame). I'm 31, the player is six years younger than me."


Still, the centre-half believes his side can still challenge for honours this season, though he added another season without silverware "would be a kind of failure".

"I have to win something this year. I have to win something, Arsenal has to win something. It's four or five years since Arsenal won anything - 2004 (the league title). That's nearly five years, and that's not good.

"(Big contracts) make the difference, perhaps. You can rest on your laurels, that's for sure."

Arsenal travel to Manchester City in the league on Saturday hoping to avoid their first back-to-back defeats in 58 Premier League encounters.

ent i read that in dismay thats tant amount to sabotage revealing such details. but explains the lack of consitency with such in fighting.

bets on who the 6 years younger upstart is? my money is on fabregas
the player who cusses them? bendtner

Fabregas and Bendtner are 10  years younger than Gallas.

The 25 year olds:
RVP
Sanga
Eduardo
Eboue
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 20, 2008, 12:03:44 PM
cant be sagna
eduardo no
eboue??? possibly but he loving up with the other african players toure and adeso maybe
how old is ade?
van persie hmmmm possible but not likely
was song on the pitch?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on November 20, 2008, 12:12:59 PM
cant be sagna
eduardo no
eboue??? possibly but he loving up with the other african players toure and adeso maybe
how old is ade?
van persie hmmmm possible but not likely
was song on the pitch?

Eboue - No - he's the most liked in the dressing room
Edu - No - obvious resasons - hasn't played since Feb and not even in training yet
Sagna - Maybe
RVP - Maybe - most likely. He had a blinder against Spurs though, and from the celebrations nothing seemed odd

Unless Gallas doesn't know the player's age, or is not very good at math. Very likely.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: capodetutticapi on November 21, 2008, 09:21:24 AM
Hughes: City must rough up Gunnersby RivalsDM

Manchester City manager Mark Hughes has told his side they must "break Arsenal's tempo" if they are to claim victory over Arsene Wenger's men.
   
Hughes boasted a decent home record against the Gunners when he was in charge of Blackburn but his City side lacks the kind of physicality that often rattled Arsenal in his Ewood Park days and which, as Stoke recently proved, still gets results.

But Hughes will not just allow his current crop of players to stand back and let the Londoners pass their way to three points as City look to end a four-match winless run and pull clear of the bottom end of the table.

He said: "Once Arsenal get into a rhythm of play and tempo of passing then it's very difficult to shake them out of that and have an impact and grasp the initiative away from them. It becomes very difficult to impose your will on them.

"You have to try to break up their tempo and their ability to dictate the possession of the game.

"If you can do that it's to your own benefit because they've got outstanding individual talent as well as a great work ethic and an ability to circulate the ball from one side of the pitch to the other and change the focus of their attack and that's why they're so dangerous.

"What you have to do is make sure you can break things up and cause problems for them going the other way."

Hughes twice enjoyed home wins over Arsenal in his four-year stint as Blackburn boss but believes playing away from home may suit the current Gunners' line-up, whose title hopes were hit by a second home defeat of the season against Aston Villa last weekend.

The City boss added: "When teams go to the Emirates Stadium they know they are going to be under pressure and they get everybody behind the ball and hope for a break and they (Arsenal) have been caught out in recent weeks as a consequence of that.
"Away from home they can draw the home side on to them and then break with pace and power which they have in abundance. Probably at this moment in time they are more dangerous away from home."

City have played some impressive football at Eastlands this season, scoring 16 times in six games.

But they have also been defensively vulnerable, traits they can ill afford to show in a crucial eight-day spell which sees them face Arsenal and then local rivals Manchester United either side of a UEFA Cup trip to Germany to face Schalke.

"We've got a big test this week but we understand that. We are at home in the Premier League and this year we've done okay at home. I think we can cause problems to any team," said Hughes who should welcome back defensive stalwart Richard Dunne from suspension.

"The motivation for the games is easy because you look at the quality of the opposition. It's very easy in that respect.

"As a professional footballer and manager you want to pit yourselves against the best and that's what we will be doing in the coming week.

"In between two great games in the Premier League we have a good game away in Europe in front of a full house, in a fantastic stadium. It's an exciting week for everybody."

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on November 22, 2008, 10:20:23 AM
all hands on deck, the ship is sinking...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: RedDevils on November 22, 2008, 10:29:13 AM
Arsenal in serious trouble, down 2-nil to ManC could of been 3, one was just disallowed.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: capodetutticapi on November 22, 2008, 10:48:40 AM
5 mins to go.come on city.arsenal in real disarray this season.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: RedDevils on November 22, 2008, 10:56:47 AM
3-nil......i didnt expect that cut ass to pass
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 22, 2008, 11:11:53 AM
3-nil......i didnt expect that cut ass to pass

read futher up

i said a robhino hatrick

head spinning, no leadership no cohesion hope this isn't transfered to champs league

we go to chelsea next week? lovely
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on November 22, 2008, 11:19:38 AM
all hands on deck, the ship is sinking ship is stinking!!...

  Now....pretend yuh is jack warner......say it ten times fast!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: elan on November 22, 2008, 02:40:15 PM
Wenger not easy nah, the man say that they were in command of the game and the game was tight.   :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 23, 2008, 07:53:43 AM
i haven't seen the game but i can just imagine

bentner throwing away  we not making more than 3 passes bad passes defensive cock ups etc
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: capodetutticapi on November 24, 2008, 08:28:48 AM
Wenger: Fabregas Is Arsenal's New Captain, Gallas Recalled
Arsene Wenger has named Cesc Fabregas as the new Arsenal club captain following William Gallas' demotion from the role...
Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger has also confirmed that Gallas will play in the Gunners' Champions League clash with Dynamo Kyiv at the Emirates Stadium tomorrow night, with the armband passing to Spanish midfielder Cesc Fabregas.

Speaking at an eagerly anticipated press conference, Wenger affirmed: "Fabregas will be the captain, permanently. I do not have to explain to you why.

"I believe the captain is the voice of the club towards the outside, and is one of the leaders of the team.

"Cesc is young, yes, but I do not believe in just one man in the dressing-room who sorts out all of the problems.

"A successful team has shared leadership and Fabregas will be one of the leaders - not the only one."

Asked if he regretted making Gallas skipper in the first place, the wily gaffer replied, "No.

"Gallas will play on Tuesday; he's a player who I rate and admire. He was under big pressure from the press and you do not want that high pressure to affect him or the team.

"However, he can come back stronger now."

The key events that led Wenger to relieving him of his duties included the defender's sit-down protest at Birmingham City last season, his tabloid-friendly partying and, finally, his behind-the-scenes exposé which hinted at inter-squad tensions.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: JDB on November 24, 2008, 09:27:38 AM
Wenger: Fabregas Is Arsenal's New Captain, Gallas Recalled
Arsene Wenger has named Cesc Fabregas as the new Arsenal club captain following William Gallas' demotion from the role...
Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger has also confirmed that Gallas will play in the Gunners' Champions League clash with Dynamo Kyiv at the Emirates Stadium tomorrow night, with the armband passing to Spanish midfielder Cesc Fabregas.

Speaking at an eagerly anticipated press conference, Wenger affirmed: "Fabregas will be the captain, permanently. I do not have to explain to you why.

"I believe the captain is the voice of the club towards the outside, and is one of the leaders of the team.

"Cesc is young, yes, but I do not believe in just one man in the dressing-room who sorts out all of the problems.

"A successful team has shared leadership and Fabregas will be one of the leaders - not the only one."

Asked if he regretted making Gallas skipper in the first place, the wily gaffer replied, "No.

"Gallas will play on Tuesday; he's a player who I rate and admire. He was under big pressure from the press and you do not want that high pressure to affect him or the team.

"However, he can come back stronger now."

The key events that led Wenger to relieving him of his duties included the defender's sit-down protest at Birmingham City last season, his tabloid-friendly partying and, finally, his behind-the-scenes exposé which hinted at inter-squad tensions.



If it was Ferguson, Gallas would be gone in January.

No doubt bout it.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on November 24, 2008, 10:16:44 AM
Wenger: Fabregas Is Arsenal's New Captain, Gallas Recalled
Arsene Wenger has named Cesc Fabregas as the new Arsenal club captain following William Gallas' demotion from the role...
Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger has also confirmed that Gallas will play in the Gunners' Champions League clash with Dynamo Kyiv at the Emirates Stadium tomorrow night, with the armband passing to Spanish midfielder Cesc Fabregas.

Speaking at an eagerly anticipated press conference, Wenger affirmed: "Fabregas will be the captain, permanently. I do not have to explain to you why.

"I believe the captain is the voice of the club towards the outside, and is one of the leaders of the team.

"Cesc is young, yes, but I do not believe in just one man in the dressing-room who sorts out all of the problems.

"A successful team has shared leadership and Fabregas will be one of the leaders - not the only one."

Asked if he regretted making Gallas skipper in the first place, the wily gaffer replied, "No.

"Gallas will play on Tuesday; he's a player who I rate and admire. He was under big pressure from the press and you do not want that high pressure to affect him or the team.

"However, he can come back stronger now."

The key events that led Wenger to relieving him of his duties included the defender's sit-down protest at Birmingham City last season, his tabloid-friendly partying and, finally, his behind-the-scenes exposé which hinted at inter-squad tensions.



If it was Ferguson, Gallas would be gone in January.

No doubt bout it.


agreed ..if it was Fergie they wouldnt have been trophy-less for 4 seasons either lol  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 24, 2008, 07:27:09 PM
Wenger: Fabregas Is Arsenal's New Captain, Gallas Recalled
Arsene Wenger has named Cesc Fabregas as the new Arsenal club captain following William Gallas' demotion from the role...
Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger has also confirmed that Gallas will play in the Gunners' Champions League clash with Dynamo Kyiv at the Emirates Stadium tomorrow night, with the armband passing to Spanish midfielder Cesc Fabregas.

Speaking at an eagerly anticipated press conference, Wenger affirmed: "Fabregas will be the captain, permanently. I do not have to explain to you why.

"I believe the captain is the voice of the club towards the outside, and is one of the leaders of the team.

"Cesc is young, yes, but I do not believe in just one man in the dressing-room who sorts out all of the problems.

"A successful team has shared leadership and Fabregas will be one of the leaders - not the only one."

Asked if he regretted making Gallas skipper in the first place, the wily gaffer replied, "No.

"Gallas will play on Tuesday; he's a player who I rate and admire. He was under big pressure from the press and you do not want that high pressure to affect him or the team.

"However, he can come back stronger now."

The key events that led Wenger to relieving him of his duties included the defender's sit-down protest at Birmingham City last season, his tabloid-friendly partying and, finally, his behind-the-scenes exposé which hinted at inter-squad tensions.



If it was Ferguson, Gallas would be gone in January.

No doubt bout it.


agreed ..if it was Fergie they wouldnt have been trophy-less for 4 seasons either lol  ;D

i suppose so but then we would have sold and bought alot more players like so many pieces of commodity
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: acb on November 24, 2008, 09:53:35 PM
batsignal to the Sugar Daddies.

Wenger paying the price for thrifty ways
http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news;_ylt=AqweJeyzWYwX1qagVDzlq2gmw7YF?slug=ro-weekendreview112408&prov=yhoo&type=lgns (http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news;_ylt=AqweJeyzWYwX1qagVDzlq2gmw7YF?slug=ro-weekendreview112408&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)
By Martin Rogers, Yahoo! Sports

For years, Arsene Wenger has operated as if Arsenal’s transfer fund was his own private stash of money.

Lavish spending on the biggest names in the market? Not for Wenger. Indeed, the manager has appeared to turn his nose up at that kind of retail therapy, preferring instead to develop his own players from the youth ranks.

The concept of an all-conquering Arsenal squad comprised primarily of talent that emerged from the club’s own system is Wenger’s dream. The problem is that it’s taking too long to accomplish and seems as far away from fruition as ever.

Arsenal has not won a major trophy in three seasons and its last English Premier League crown came in 2004. After another week of misery ended with a 3-0 defeat at Manchester City, Wenger finds himself in a deep hole. He’s not going to be sacked despite whatever speculation you may read, but the state of the program he has overseen for more than a decade is on the line.
 
The only way out of this predicament is to do what he dislikes so much – start splashing the cash.

This Arsenal squad is very good and certainly capable of making inroads into the latter stages of the UEFA Champions League. However, it lacks the depth, ruthlessness and strength at all positions to compete for this season’s EPL title.

In any one-off game, Arsenal is still capable of matching most teams on the continent, regardless of what recent results suggest. Winning the league is a different story, though, requiring the sort of metronomic consistency last seen at Arsenal during its 2004 unbeaten season. Unsettling matters, such as former captain William Gallas’ disciplinary problems, do nothing to ease the awkward situation.

At this point, the Gunners must worry about preventing themselves from slipping out of the Premiership’s top four as Aston Villa continues its impressive form. Ten points back from Chelsea and Liverpool, the title is probably already gone.

Wenger’s spending powers were restricted during the period leading up to Arsenal’s move from Highbury to the Emirates Stadium, but he is no longer operating under such budget-conscious conditions. He stubbornly refused to spend last summer, even after Alexander Hleb moved to Barcelona and Mathieu Flamini joined AC Milan on a free transfer. As a result, the midfield core relies too heavily on Cesc Fabregas, who himself is on the shopping list of some of Europe’s top clubs.

Support is needed. Not in the guise of a bargain buy plucked from France or Africa, but a proven midfield star who has shown the ability to perform at the highest level.

Arsenal can afford it. Can Wenger afford not to?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: RedDevils on November 25, 2008, 09:23:11 AM
Wenger: Fabregas Is Arsenal's New Captain, Gallas Recalled
Arsene Wenger has named Cesc Fabregas as the new Arsenal club captain following William Gallas' demotion from the role...
Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger has also confirmed that Gallas will play in the Gunners' Champions League clash with Dynamo Kyiv at the Emirates Stadium tomorrow night, with the armband passing to Spanish midfielder Cesc Fabregas.

Speaking at an eagerly anticipated press conference, Wenger affirmed: "Fabregas will be the captain, permanently. I do not have to explain to you why.

"I believe the captain is the voice of the club towards the outside, and is one of the leaders of the team.

"Cesc is young, yes, but I do not believe in just one man in the dressing-room who sorts out all of the problems.

"A successful team has shared leadership and Fabregas will be one of the leaders - not the only one."

Asked if he regretted making Gallas skipper in the first place, the wily gaffer replied, "No.

"Gallas will play on Tuesday; he's a player who I rate and admire. He was under big pressure from the press and you do not want that high pressure to affect him or the team.

"However, he can come back stronger now."

The key events that led Wenger to relieving him of his duties included the defender's sit-down protest at Birmingham City last season, his tabloid-friendly partying and, finally, his behind-the-scenes exposé which hinted at inter-squad tensions.





They think this will stop him from going to Barca.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on November 25, 2008, 09:58:58 AM
batsignal to the Sugar Daddies.

Wenger paying the price for thrifty ways



Simply put, players of the caliber of Song and Bendtner are not the quality enough to take any team to the title and that's who Arsenal are relying on right now.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Daft Trini on November 25, 2008, 10:04:12 AM
Ah waiting to see all the shite they going an play this week???? Give Gallas de capt armband please..
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 25, 2008, 05:34:46 PM
Wenger: Fabregas Is Arsenal's New Captain, Gallas Recalled
Arsene Wenger has named Cesc Fabregas as the new Arsenal club captain following William Gallas' demotion from the role...
Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger has also confirmed that Gallas will play in the Gunners' Champions League clash with Dynamo Kyiv at the Emirates Stadium tomorrow night, with the armband passing to Spanish midfielder Cesc Fabregas.

Speaking at an eagerly anticipated press conference, Wenger affirmed: "Fabregas will be the captain, permanently. I do not have to explain to you why.

"I believe the captain is the voice of the club towards the outside, and is one of the leaders of the team.

"Cesc is young, yes, but I do not believe in just one man in the dressing-room who sorts out all of the problems.

"A successful team has shared leadership and Fabregas will be one of the leaders - not the only one."

Asked if he regretted making Gallas skipper in the first place, the wily gaffer replied, "No.

"Gallas will play on Tuesday; he's a player who I rate and admire. He was under big pressure from the press and you do not want that high pressure to affect him or the team.

"However, he can come back stronger now."

The key events that led Wenger to relieving him of his duties included the defender's sit-down protest at Birmingham City last season, his tabloid-friendly partying and, finally, his behind-the-scenes exposé which hinted at inter-squad tensions.





They think this will stop him from going to Barca.

you just want him anywhere but in the prem and in the red n white of the gunners
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on November 25, 2008, 07:04:48 PM
If Arsenal want a ball winner in midfield to complement Cesc they should play Kolo in that position. Once Rosicky returns and with Nasri or Van P or Walcott they will have penetration out wide.

Look if they were to get healthy they could have a very experienced squad. Play Kolo and Song in the central midfield. Cesc behind Adebayor, with Rosicky wide and even Van persie wide (he plays there for Holland).

The problem for them is they have too many players injured and yes they need a quality central defender.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on November 25, 2008, 07:42:21 PM


They think this will stop him from going to Barca.

you just want him anywhere but  in the red n white of the gunners
[/quote]

so u eh think that a quality player like fabregas should be playing for a quality club ?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 26, 2008, 03:56:08 AM


They think this will stop him from going to Barca.

you just want him anywhere but  in the red n white of the gunners

so u eh think that a quality player like fabregas should be playing for a quality club ?
[/quote]

and he isn't now??

so the rest of the italian and spanish league top 4 teams that didnt win anything aren't quality sides??

sorry all hail the wagonistas
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 26, 2008, 01:00:22 PM
Cesc Fabregas will take inspiration from Tony Adams as he bids to captain Arsenal to their first silverware since 2005.
 
Like Fabregas, Arsenal legend Adams was 21 when he was handed the captain’s armband by then manager George Graham. ‘Mr Arsenal’ went on to captain the side for 14 years, becoming the first skipper in English football to secure League titles in three different decades (1988/89, 1997/98 and 2001/02).
 
Although Fabregas admits that achieving just half of what Adams did as the captain would be ‘amazing’, he was keen to highlight the importance of forging his own path with the armband.
 
“From what people say he was amazing,” said the 21-year-old after Tuesday’s victory over Dynamo Kyiv. “I never really saw him play because I was too young but from what people say he was amazing and everybody says amazing things about him.
 
“Hopefully one day - not so much be like him, because I like to be my own player and person - but of course I want to achieve the things that he achieved.”
 
“I want to lift a trophy. At the end of the season we will see what we can achieve. At the moment we are in all of the competitions, people can say whatever they want about the title race but we have only played 14 games. It is not over yet and it is up to us to finish where we will finish. We will see, at the moment nothing is done and we will fight until the end.”
 
After suffering their fifth Premier League defeat of the season on Saturday, many questioned Arsenal’s ability to overcome the 10-point gap between them and leaders Chelsea and suggested that the Champions League was a more realistic aim for the Gunners. Not so according to Fabregas.
 
“Well Europe is a different game to the Premier League,” said the midfielder. “All the teams in the League know that they have to defend a lot and put pressure on us all the time, it is as if all week they train on only defending.

“Of course in the Champions League it is a little bit different, teams like to play a bit more and come out a bit more. Maybe it is true that it suits us a little bit more but as I said, if you want to win something you must be able to play against anybody.”

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on November 26, 2008, 04:07:47 PM
Finally Arsenal decide on a CEO.... after 18 months since David Dein leave.
Now hopefully Wenger can concentrate on the football.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 27, 2008, 04:12:59 PM
blah thank god meh management meeting doh clash wit arsenal v chelsea

friggin frigs

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Jefferz on November 29, 2008, 07:05:19 PM
 :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on November 29, 2008, 08:49:04 PM
Allyuh ready for allyuh cutass tomorrow?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 30, 2008, 09:56:24 AM
if by cut ass you mean captain fabregas and co sickly show you overpaid arrogant football whores how to really play football then yeah we ready
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on November 30, 2008, 09:58:59 AM
if by cut ass you mean captain fabregas and co sickly show you overpaid arrogant football whores how to really play football then yeah we ready

  :o :challenge:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: makaveli on November 30, 2008, 10:13:30 AM
Chelsea midfielder Joe Cole has taunted Premier League rivals Arsenal by claiming their fancy football means nothing without medals to show for it.

The Gunners have failed to win a trophy since claiming the 2005 FA Cup, despite being widely regarded as one of the best footballing sides in the country.

Arsene Wenger's men are also in danger of being written out of this season's title race should they fail to gain a positive result from a tricky trip to Stamford Bridge on Sunday.

With that in mind, England international Cole has taken a swipe at Arsenal's silverware-winning credentials by claiming that he would never want to play for a club who were not consistently challenging for honours.
Nutmeg

"In fairness to Arsenal, they are playing nice football but look at the past four years and who's won the trophies?" he told the News of the World.

"They are fantastic to watch but I wouldn't want to be playing for a team that didn't win anything. Winning trophies is what counts.

"You are not going to be sitting on the beach in the summer at the end of the season speaking about that Cruyff turn you did back in December, or that nutmeg you did in January, are you?

"What's the point in that? You want to be thinking about winning trophies. That's what it's all about. We want to put some silverware on the table this year. And that's what we intend to do."

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_4570878,00.html

i love Arsenal but Joe Cole said it best
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on November 30, 2008, 11:26:25 AM
Chelsea midfielder Joe Cole has taunted Premier League rivals Arsenal by claiming their fancy football means nothing without medals to show for it.

The Gunners have failed to win a trophy since claiming the 2005 FA Cup, despite being widely regarded as one of the best footballing sides in the country.

Arsene Wenger's men are also in danger of being written out of this season's title race should they fail to gain a positive result from a tricky trip to Stamford Bridge on Sunday.

With that in mind, England international Cole has taken a swipe at Arsenal's silverware-winning credentials by claiming that he would never want to play for a club who were not consistently challenging for honours.
Nutmeg

"In fairness to Arsenal, they are playing nice football but look at the past four years and who's won the trophies?" he told the News of the World.

"They are fantastic to watch but I wouldn't want to be playing for a team that didn't win anything. Winning trophies is what counts.

"You are not going to be sitting on the beach in the summer at the end of the season speaking about that Cruyff turn you did back in December, or that nutmeg you did in January, are you?

"What's the point in that? You want to be thinking about winning trophies. That's what it's all about. We want to put some silverware on the table this year. And that's what we intend to do."

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_4570878,00.html

i love Arsenal but Joe Cole said it best

Cole only flapping he gums. Cole left  Arsenal the same year they won the FA Cup and went to the CL Final, Arsenal had also won the league the year before. Cole left for $$$$ nothing more and he should be man enough to say so. At least Flamini had the balls to say he was leaving for money. Nothing wrong with that.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on November 30, 2008, 11:54:28 AM
Chelsea midfielder Joe Cole has taunted Premier League rivals Arsenal by claiming their fancy football means nothing without medals to show for it.

The Gunners have failed to win a trophy since claiming the 2005 FA Cup, despite being widely regarded as one of the best footballing sides in the country.

Arsene Wenger's men are also in danger of being written out of this season's title race should they fail to gain a positive result from a tricky trip to Stamford Bridge on Sunday.

With that in mind, England international Cole has taken a swipe at Arsenal's silverware-winning credentials by claiming that he would never want to play for a club who were not consistently challenging for honours.
Nutmeg

"In fairness to Arsenal, they are playing nice football but look at the past four years and who's won the trophies?" he told the News of the World.

"They are fantastic to watch but I wouldn't want to be playing for a team that didn't win anything. Winning trophies is what counts.

"You are not going to be sitting on the beach in the summer at the end of the season speaking about that Cruyff turn you did back in December, or that nutmeg you did in January, are you?

"What's the point in that? You want to be thinking about winning trophies. That's what it's all about. We want to put some silverware on the table this year. And that's what we intend to do."

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_4570878,00.html

i love Arsenal but Joe Cole said it best

Cole only flapping he gums. Cole left  Arsenal the same year they won the FA Cup and went to the CL Final, Arsenal had also won the league the year before. Cole left for $$$$ nothing more and he should be man enough to say so. At least Flamini had the balls to say he was leaving for money. Nothing wrong with that.


   Is Ashley that left Ass n' all, Observer, not Joe.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on November 30, 2008, 11:59:07 AM
Chelsea midfielder Joe Cole has taunted Premier League rivals Arsenal by claiming their fancy football means nothing without medals to show for it.

The Gunners have failed to win a trophy since claiming the 2005 FA Cup, despite being widely regarded as one of the best footballing sides in the country.

Arsene Wenger's men are also in danger of being written out of this season's title race should they fail to gain a positive result from a tricky trip to Stamford Bridge on Sunday.

With that in mind, England international Cole has taken a swipe at Arsenal's silverware-winning credentials by claiming that he would never want to play for a club who were not consistently challenging for honours.
Nutmeg

"In fairness to Arsenal, they are playing nice football but look at the past four years and who's won the trophies?" he told the News of the World.

"They are fantastic to watch but I wouldn't want to be playing for a team that didn't win anything. Winning trophies is what counts.

"You are not going to be sitting on the beach in the summer at the end of the season speaking about that Cruyff turn you did back in December, or that nutmeg you did in January, are you?

"What's the point in that? You want to be thinking about winning trophies. That's what it's all about. We want to put some silverware on the table this year. And that's what we intend to do."

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_4570878,00.html

i love Arsenal but Joe Cole said it best

Cole only flapping he gums. Cole left  Arsenal the same year they won the FA Cup and went to the CL Final, Arsenal had also won the league the year before. Cole left for $$$$ nothing more and he should be man enough to say so. At least Flamini had the balls to say he was leaving for money. Nothing wrong with that.


   Is Ashley that left Ass n' all, Observer, not Joe.

Yes yes very true, stand corrected and thank you for it
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on November 30, 2008, 12:03:07 PM
Chelsea midfielder Joe Cole has taunted Premier League rivals Arsenal by claiming their fancy football means nothing without medals to show for it.

The Gunners have failed to win a trophy since claiming the 2005 FA Cup, despite being widely regarded as one of the best footballing sides in the country.

Arsene Wenger's men are also in danger of being written out of this season's title race should they fail to gain a positive result from a tricky trip to Stamford Bridge on Sunday.

With that in mind, England international Cole has taken a swipe at Arsenal's silverware-winning credentials by claiming that he would never want to play for a club who were not consistently challenging for honours.
Nutmeg

"In fairness to Arsenal, they are playing nice football but look at the past four years and who's won the trophies?" he told the News of the World.

"They are fantastic to watch but I wouldn't want to be playing for a team that didn't win anything. Winning trophies is what counts.

"You are not going to be sitting on the beach in the summer at the end of the season speaking about that Cruyff turn you did back in December, or that nutmeg you did in January, are you?

"What's the point in that? You want to be thinking about winning trophies. That's what it's all about. We want to put some silverware on the table this year. And that's what we intend to do."

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_4570878,00.html

i love Arsenal but Joe Cole said it best

Cole only flapping he gums. Cole left  Arsenal the same year they won the FA Cup and went to the CL Final, Arsenal had also won the league the year before. Cole left for $$$$ nothing more and he should be man enough to say so. At least Flamini had the balls to say he was leaving for money. Nothing wrong with that.


   Is Ashley that left Ass n' all, Observer, not Joe.

Yes yes very true, stand corrected and thank you for it

 Yeah, no scene, but yuh could roll back dong yuh sleeves and button back yuh collar now.........and tighten back yuh tie!  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 30, 2008, 12:04:44 PM
 :-*

sweetness

but i said it earlier

we gonna beat up the top four and loose to everyone else we playing like the Bolton of old

who next?

carling cup: away to burnley

premier: home to wigan

champs: away to porto

premier: away to boro

premier: home to liverpool

premier: away to villa (revenge)

premier: home to portsmouth

i love football

i love the premier league

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 30, 2008, 12:05:21 PM
oh omar where art thou?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on November 30, 2008, 12:13:17 PM
oh omar where art thou?

I right here.

Study Wigan might cut allyuh ass next week.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on November 30, 2008, 12:18:52 PM
oh omar where art thou?

I right here.

Study Wigan might cut allyuh ass next week.

u wish
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on November 30, 2008, 12:27:14 PM
oh omar where art thou?

I right here.

Study Wigan might cut allyuh ass next week.

 :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 30, 2008, 12:29:13 PM
oh omar where art thou?

I right here.

Study Wigan might cut allyuh ass next week.

 :rotfl:

fuh real eh like yuh didnt read meh arsenal is the new bolton giant killers reply or what?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on November 30, 2008, 12:32:18 PM
^ nah, i really laughing at omar for trying hard to deflect his teams loss today
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 30, 2008, 03:29:48 PM
Allyuh ready for allyuh cutass tomorrow?

how yuh like them APPLES! :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 01, 2008, 06:20:09 PM
Mikael Silvestre, Carlos Vela and Nicklas Bendtner are all likely to start for Arsenal at Burnley on Tuesday in the Carling Cup Quarter-Finals.

Arsène Wenger has said he intends to play a young side through this competition this season but, as ever, will utilise the bench from the previous Premier League game at Turf Moor. That means these three internationals will be involved.

However, overall it will be another young Arsenal side on display in Lancashire and a couple of injuries against Chelsea have given the Frenchman less room for manoeuvre.

Johan Djourou (hip), Manuel Almunia (head) and William Gallas (calf) all left Stamford Bridge with knocks. The last of those is the most serious and even that was described by Wenger as “light” but, as a result, he’ll be taking no risks.

“It will be the usual team for us,” Wenger told Arsenal TV Online on Monday. “But then with all the players we have out it may be even younger than before.

“The players who were on the bench at Chelsea will be involved but those who started will not.

“That means Silvestre will play and so will Fabianski of course. We have some other first-team players [that] will play too – Vela and Bendtner.

“But we cannot play Djourou for example, he was injured at Chelsea. Gallas as well has a little calf problem. Kolo Toure and Emmanuel Eboue are not back so they will not be involved.”

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 02, 2008, 04:12:53 PM
we just don't like to fight to win, how sad
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on December 02, 2008, 09:27:31 PM

I right here.

Study Wigan Burnley might cut allyuh ass next week.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on December 02, 2008, 10:21:20 PM

I right here.

Study Wigan Burnley might cut allyuh ass next week.


I wonder who cut allyuh ass in the last round. At least we play our reserves ....
And who cut allyuh ass on Sunday?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 05, 2008, 07:02:04 AM

I right here.

Study Wigan Burnley might cut allyuh ass next week.


I wonder who cut allyuh ass in the last round. At least we play our reserves ....
And who cut allyuh ass on Sunday?

dat was licks was like what flyingsquad used to dish out hahaha
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on December 05, 2008, 07:33:23 AM

I right here.

Study Wigan Burnley might cut allyuh ass next week.


I wonder who cut allyuh ass in the last round. At least we play our reserves ....
And who cut allyuh ass on Sunday?

dat was licks was like what flyingsquad used to dish out hahaha
plenty people does say that the flying squad was corrupted.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 05, 2008, 02:00:19 PM

I right here.

Study Wigan Burnley might cut allyuh ass next week.


I wonder who cut allyuh ass in the last round. At least we play our reserves ....
And who cut allyuh ass on Sunday?

dat was licks was like what flyingsquad used to dish out hahaha
plenty people does say that the flying squad was corrupted.

eh? what does the integrity of the squad have to do with the amount of licks they shared????

anyway back to point wigan tomorrow Zaki hatrick?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: morvant on December 06, 2008, 10:26:09 AM
i fraid this blasted Zaki :-[

i feeling sorry for eboue. he own fans boo him outta he game

tuff luck he could go sunderland
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on December 06, 2008, 11:37:55 AM
Wasn't great but 3 points. And they still managed to hit the post twice.

Disgusted with the "fans" treatment of Eboue though. 9 games out through injury, a RB is asked to play LW cause Nasri gets cut down. He did okay until the last few minutes. One mistake, fans get on his back, an then downhill from there. No player should be booed off when subbed. People forget that he is a very good RB being played out of position by Wenger.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 06, 2008, 12:21:14 PM
Wasn't great but 3 points. And they still managed to hit the post twice.

Disgusted with the "fans" treatment of Eboue though. 9 games out through injury, a RB is asked to play LW cause Nasri gets cut down. He did okay until the last few minutes. One mistake, fans get on his back, an then downhill from there. No player should be booed off when subbed. People forget that he is a very good RB being played out of position by Wenger.

as much as we bad talk him he's had a few shining moments but his gaffes have cost us in the past, i do feel bad though no matter how much we doh like him applaud the man getting subbed not booing him at HOME that is shit! i think he was even close to tears

how the fans expect the side to deliver trophies when they not ready to back us in low times i am sickened that they booed him

i don't think he is good enough but god he tries hard, some times a lil too hard.

early reports on bbc were that wigan were unlucky to have lost i say boo to that, we won we took our chance when it popped up, we hit the post twice, wigan hit nothing, thats how the game goes. glad both sides were at it wigan fough hard but it doesnt mean they deserved a draw or win

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 07, 2008, 06:20:34 AM

Eduardo is set to return to competitive football for Arsenal Reserves on December 16.

The Croatian striker has been sidelined since breaking his leg at Birmingham on February 23. It has been a long, hard journey but the 25-year-old has made good progress and his comeback is close.

“I believe we might see him for the first time in the Reserves on December 16 against Portsmouth,” said Arsène Wenger ahead of the game against Wigan. “After that we will just go from there but he looks very good and very sharp in training.”

soon enough, just in time for the january home stretch
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 08, 2008, 08:51:07 AM
Arsène Wenger believes Emmanuel Eboue will come back stronger after suffering at the hands of some Arsenal supporters on Saturday.

The Ivorian midfielder replaced Samir Nasri early on but was substituted himself late in the game after making a couple of important mistakes. Those errors drew criticism from the crowd and his eventual withdrawal was cheered by some in the stands.

Wenger was deeply disappointed with that reaction and, afterwards, backed Eboue to bounce back.

“I will sit down and talk to him,” said the manager. “But I believe it could make him stronger and more determined to show how good he is.

"Manu is really loved inside the team and he is a good boy. But you can see that when he lost confidence it was very difficult for him.

Kolo Toure was surprised at the reaction of certain sections of the Arsenal crowd to Emmanuel Eboue’s substitution on Saturday.

The midfielder, a 32nd-minute replacement for Samir Nasri, made a couple of mistakes late in a tight, tense game against Wigan on Saturday and, as a result, was brought off for Mikael Silvestre. Some supporters cheered Arsène Wenger’s decision but Toure felt that was uncalled for, unusual and unfair.

“Eboue had an injury for six weeks and this was his first game,” said the centre back.

“We had some injuries and that is why the boss put him on and he played well.

“At the end he had a difficult time but we need to give him credit because he was not 100 per cent however he had to play because of our injuries and he did well.
 
“The fans gave him a hard time and that is unusual at Arsenal. I was surprised because normally our fans are [always] nice. I think the tension was really high and that is why they were hard. In the end we had three points and that is good. He will have a chat with the boss and I think he will come back.
 
“We need him and he is a strong boy. I’ll call him, he will also have a chat with the manager on Monday and then he will be fine.
 
“I just want to tell the fans that he is a great lad, he loves the Club and wants to do his best for the Club. Sometimes, when you come back from a six-week injury you cannot give 200 per cent. We hope that next time they will help him to come back. That is the only way to behave.”

“There were five or six minutes to go and he couldn't keep the ball. It's partly explained by the fact he was playing on the left of midfield but then he played very well there when we beat Blackburn 4-1. Still when you lose confidence, it's not the best position for him.

“There were two aspects in the game. The crowd were behind the team when we suffered but, towards the end, they were so nervous as well. They expressed that and took Eboue as a target.

"You want your fans to be behind the team but we also have to focus on the quality of our performance and accept the verdict of the crowd. But I say again, apart from the very disappointing stuff with Eboue, they were behind the team for the most part.”

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 10, 2008, 05:22:52 PM
arsenal second string toots against porto today

2-0 to porto

boro next
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 14, 2008, 08:18:03 PM
arsenal lame tired performance against boro

they playing like a couple who fighting but trying to keep up appearances

villas brand has got them above arsenal
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 15, 2008, 05:46:46 AM
a week to rest then face liverpool on saturday this one is a tough call, i hate doing chelsea favours but we need to overhaul the top four and that includes villa
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on December 15, 2008, 05:54:34 AM
a draw will do finely
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 15, 2008, 06:00:54 PM
only to put chelsea first, does nothing for you guys

plus watch out villa on fire now
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 15, 2008, 06:02:42 PM
eduardo return game in reserves against portsmouth
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on December 16, 2008, 01:13:12 PM
eduardo return game in reserves against portsmouth

The return of Eduardo Da Silva.

He looking good for a goal.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 16, 2008, 10:11:30 PM
eduardo didn't score he hti the post doesnt look goal or tackle shy but he tweaked his hamstring so a lil set back but getting there, good news for us
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on December 16, 2008, 10:28:18 PM
eduardo didn't score he hti the post doesnt look goal or tackle shy but he tweaked his hamstring so a lil set back but getting there, good news for us

    This man have rel courage and biggup to him for what must be a very difficult journey back to top form.  All the best to him........and allyuh betta win dis' weekend.........and that is the extent of my good wishes!  :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 17, 2008, 04:07:46 PM
so who are u chelsea or manu? cus manu seem to think arsenal will beat the other temas for them to win the prem
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 21, 2008, 08:59:46 AM
the hour draws near
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on December 21, 2008, 10:30:13 AM
Van Persie's goal  perfect example of why one should work on strengthening one's off foot!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Touches on December 21, 2008, 11:12:37 AM
Oh dear...Cesc is out with medial ligament damage
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 21, 2008, 11:59:24 AM
Van Persie's goal  perfect example of why one should work on strengthening one's off foot!

and ones first touch!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 21, 2008, 12:01:53 PM
next Game Villa

no cesc no ade, its every last season all over again, injury list grows!

a must win heck every game from now on is a must win

BUT if we win were only tied with Villa

AND Manu have TWO games in hand

come on everton put the spank on Chelsea
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on December 21, 2008, 12:41:01 PM
Every Arsenal fan hates Howard Webb ... and we can see why again today. Neither of those yellow cards for the Togonator was deserved.

Arsene got it wrong in my opinion by playing such a high back line. Robbie Keane is quick and we all know Liverpool will kick it upfield and hope. And with a keeper that is always so reluctant to come off his line.
Djourou got lost too easily for the goal though.

And Cesc might be out for 2 months?

Great goal by RVP though ... he must be watching some DB10 dvd's
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on December 21, 2008, 12:55:22 PM
Every Arsenal fan hates Howard Webb ... and we can see why again today. Neither of those yellow cards for the Togonator was deserved.

is that so?


Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on December 21, 2008, 01:08:04 PM
Every Arsenal fan hates Howard Webb ... and we can see why again today. Neither of those yellow cards for the Togonator was deserved.

is that so?


That IS so. You watch the game? If you did and thought that was supposed to be a sending off, then you should be a Chelsea fan. But ManUtd fans love Howard Webb, no?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on December 21, 2008, 01:45:26 PM
Every Arsenal fan hates Howard Webb ... and we can see why again today. Neither of those yellow cards for the Togonator was deserved.

is that so?


That IS so. You watch the game? If you did and thought that was supposed to be a sending off, then you should be a Chelsea fan. But ManUtd fans love Howard Webb, no?

Cut the shit... Webb was calling it tight all game.  Only man he give rope to was Lucas, other than that Keane get ah yellow that he didn't deserve and the fact is that on both cards to Adebayor (certainly the second) he came in studs up... even if the second wasn't a 'tackle'.  As a player you have to adjust to how the game is being called.

That aside...

Great result for Arsenal, especially holding Liverpool scoreless in the second half with a man down.  Liverpool showed very little imagination in attack and brought on three ineffective substitutes way to late in the game to affect any kinda change.

Great goal by RvP... sublime first touch, sublime finish.   Boss response by Keane, reading the flight of the ball and take that one time off the half-volley.  Incredible goals on either side.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on December 21, 2008, 03:24:06 PM
webb, webb webb... this man has some history with arsenal fans. he sent off ade and toure in the carling cup final a few years back.   the first yellow on ade was soft the second was a yellow card offense to be sure.    lucas must have some incriminating info on webb cause ent no way he shoulda last 80+ minutes.   a fair result in the end, liverpool might win the league despite benitez.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on December 21, 2008, 03:57:20 PM
webb, webb webb... this man has some history with arsenal fans. he sent off ade and toure in the carling cup final a few years back.   the first yellow on ade was soft the second was a yellow card offense to be sure.    lucas must have some incriminating info on webb cause ent no way he shoulda last 80+ minutes.   a fair result in the end, liverpool might win the league despite benitez.


With or without him they are not winning it. Did you see the shit they throw on the field when they 'appeared' to  be in search of a winner? I never understand why Keane cannot finish a game, is not like they bring on somebody better. Why can't they play Babel in his natural position now and then?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 21, 2008, 10:21:58 PM
webb, webb webb... this man has some history with arsenal fans. he sent off ade and toure in the carling cup final a few years back.   the first yellow on ade was soft the second was a yellow card offense to be sure.    lucas must have some incriminating info on webb cause ent no way he shoulda last 80+ minutes.   a fair result in the end, liverpool might win the league despite benitez.


With or without him they are not winning it. Did you see the shit they throw on the field when they 'appeared' to  be in search of a winner? I never understand why Keane cannot finish a game, is not like they bring on somebody better. Why can't they play Babel in his natural position now and then?

two words

Raffa Benitez
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on December 22, 2008, 12:30:36 AM
under all that talk....

how much liverpool paying their fashion consultant to think that a grey jersey and red pants is ah flick?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on December 22, 2008, 12:36:35 AM
under all that talk....

how much liverpool paying their fashion consultant to think that a grey jersey and red pants is ah flick?
Post this in some other thread!!!!! :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 22, 2008, 09:55:45 AM
under all that talk....

how much liverpool paying their fashion consultant to think that a grey jersey and red pants is ah flick?

dat was some madnes si feel to confuse arsneal players, dat silver kit have silver pants the punks try ah thing there
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 22, 2008, 09:57:16 AM
anyone know if Ade is suspended for the vila game or the game after?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: JDB on December 22, 2008, 10:16:45 AM
A 2 yellow card sending-off is an immediate suspension. He will miss the Villa game.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on December 23, 2008, 09:24:01 AM
Fabregas Blow

Arsenal midfielder Cesc Fabregas is set to be sidelined until April with a knee injury.

The Spaniard had to be substituted at half-time in Arsenal's 1-1 draw against Liverpool on Sunday following a challenge with Xabi Alonso.

The full extent of the damage has now been revealed, with Arsene Wenger confirming that he has a partial rupture of the medial knee ligament.

Fabregas had only recently returned to fitness following a problem with the same knee and he will now miss most of the rest of the season.

He will have to sit out a crucial period of the Premier League as well as Arsenal's UEFA Champions League tie against Roma.
Blow

Fabregas replaced William Gallas as Arsenal captain in November and Wenger admits it is a major blow to lose him.

"The news is not good because it is a partial rupture of the medial knee ligament that is taking us three to four months," Wenger told Sky Sports News.

"We count four. He will be working hard to return earlier but we count four months.

"We will miss him of course but we have to find a way to compensate for the fact that he will not be on the pitch.

"I am sure we can deal with it and when he comes back he can help us to get over the line in the final months."

Wenger added that he had no complaints over Alonso's tackle, saying: "The challenge was fair and honest.

"It is the kind of thing that can happen and you have to accept. It was purely accidental."

Reinforcements

Wenger accepts that he may now have to venture into the transfer market to bring in reinforcements.

He commented: "It is more likely yes, but we also have internal solutions. We are not desperate."

Asked about Zenit St Petersburg playmaker Andrei Arshavin, Wenger added: "At the moment nobody is going out and nobody is coming in.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_4687302,00.html


and thats the way the gunners crumble....
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: capodetutticapi on December 23, 2008, 11:28:20 AM
everhtying goin downhill fuh this mediocre team.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bourbon on December 23, 2008, 11:37:14 AM
everhtying goin downhill fuh this mediocre team.

Doh kick a side when dey down..unless dey name chelsea.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on December 23, 2008, 01:57:38 PM
Wenger have to feed he bacoo. He doh have to do nuttin in the transfer market, but he bes have the banana and milk ready.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bally on December 23, 2008, 07:34:11 PM
Fabregas will be out for four monthsUpdated: December 23, 2008, 8:48 AM EST 163 comments add this RSS blog email Print LONDON (AP) - Arsenal captain Cesc Fabregas will be out of action for as long as four months because of medial ligament damage to his right knee.

Manager Arsene Wenger said Tuesday that the Spain midfielder had a partially ruptured ligament and will be on the sidelines for at least three months.

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"The news is not good," Wenger said. "He will be working hard to come back earlier but I count four months."

That will rule him out of Arsenal's Champions League matches against AS Roma on Feb. 24 and March 11, and further hit his team's attempts to haul itself back into contention for the title.

"We will miss him, of course, but how much is difficult to say," Wenger said. "We have to find a way and we want to find a way to compensate the fact that he is not on the pitch to give everyone a bit more."

Wenger may now consider signing new players during the January transfer window to fill the gap left in Arsenal's midfield.

"It is more likely but we also have internal solutions and we are not desperate," Wenger said.

Fabregas hobbled out of Sunday's 1-1 Premier League draw with Liverpool, which left Arsenal eight points off the lead and in fifth place, following a tackle by Xabi Alonso at the end of the first half.

Wenger said the tackle was fair and he did not blame Alonso.

Arsenal has struggled badly this season with several key players on the sidelines. Tomas Rosicky has not played for a year because of a hamstring injury, Theo Walcott is out with a dislocated shoulder, and Eduardo da Silva has only just returned to the reserve team after 10 months out with a broken ankle.

William Gallas was stripped of the captaincy after publicly criticizing his teammates' attitude and the team appears to be missing Mathieu Flamini and Alexander Hleb, who left during the offseason.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 23, 2008, 08:07:23 PM
Fabregas Blow

Arsenal midfielder Cesc Fabregas is set to be sidelined until April with a knee injury.

The Spaniard had to be substituted at half-time in Arsenal's 1-1 draw against Liverpool on Sunday following a challenge with Xabi Alonso.

The full extent of the damage has now been revealed, with Arsene Wenger confirming that he has a partial rupture of the medial knee ligament.

Fabregas had only recently returned to fitness following a problem with the same knee and he will now miss most of the rest of the season.

He will have to sit out a crucial period of the Premier League as well as Arsenal's UEFA Champions League tie against Roma.
Blow

Fabregas replaced William Gallas as Arsenal captain in November and Wenger admits it is a major blow to lose him.

"The news is not good because it is a partial rupture of the medial knee ligament that is taking us three to four months," Wenger told Sky Sports News.

"We count four. He will be working hard to return earlier but we count four months.

"We will miss him of course but we have to find a way to compensate for the fact that he will not be on the pitch.

"I am sure we can deal with it and when he comes back he can help us to get over the line in the final months."

Wenger added that he had no complaints over Alonso's tackle, saying: "The challenge was fair and honest.

"It is the kind of thing that can happen and you have to accept. It was purely accidental."

Reinforcements

Wenger accepts that he may now have to venture into the transfer market to bring in reinforcements.

He commented: "It is more likely yes, but we also have internal solutions. We are not desperate."

Asked about Zenit St Petersburg playmaker Andrei Arshavin, Wenger added: "At the moment nobody is going out and nobody is coming in.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_4687302,00.html


and thats the way the gunners crumble....


you really think manu will win it??? that son is pure ignorance
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 23, 2008, 08:08:31 PM
A 2 yellow card sending-off is an immediate suspension. He will miss the Villa game.

no a straight red was immeaditate suspension, why is it that CR7 played in manu's next game??
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: capodetutticapi on December 23, 2008, 08:09:16 PM
definitly ass anal eh winnin.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on December 23, 2008, 08:45:50 PM
A 2 yellow card sending-off is an immediate suspension. He will miss the Villa game.

no a straight red was immeaditate suspension, why is it that CR7 played in manu's next game??


He didn't. United's next game was against Blackburn in the Carling Cup.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on December 23, 2008, 10:06:12 PM

that son is pure ignorance

y u thinking bout the big 'uns?

u think about villa, portsmouth and blackburn.  :rotfl: :devil:

and u think bout the time u let diarra go   :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 24, 2008, 04:48:06 AM
A 2 yellow card sending-off is an immediate suspension. He will miss the Villa game.

no a straight red was immeaditate suspension, why is it that CR7 played in manu's next game??


He didn't. United's next game was against Blackburn in the Carling Cup.

ah yes balls man frigit, well he'll be back against portsmouth
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 24, 2008, 04:49:34 AM

that son is pure ignorance

y u thinking bout the big 'uns?

u think about villa, portsmouth and blackburn.  :rotfl: :devil:

and u think bout the time u let diarra go   :rotfl: :rotfl:

only thinking about the 20mil we missed out on but that wasn't to be predicted honestly yuh fuh get is diarra and portsmouth that saw off manu last season after man u see off arsenal in fa cup?? silly boy
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on December 24, 2008, 06:41:28 AM
he probably relived allyuh run him, after all, he did win some silver ware even though it was with portsmouth.
 ;)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 25, 2008, 06:11:43 AM
he probably relived allyuh run him, after all, he did win some silver ware even though it was with portsmouth.
 ;)

how much run outs he got at his time in portsmouth?

anywas gunners have so payback to dish otu at a fired up villa and a weary arsenal with limited midfield imagination
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 06, 2009, 10:38:09 PM
bolton sat need to grab points where and when ever
hope villa loose 2 games
manu loose 4
chelsea loose 4
liverpool loose 5
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: elan on January 06, 2009, 10:42:45 PM
Wait this thread still around or the board roll back?   ???
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 07, 2009, 09:35:00 PM
why its ground hog day everyday
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 10, 2009, 06:58:19 PM
job done, next up hull

come on chelsea and manu kick seven shades of shit out of each other please
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on January 11, 2009, 08:55:38 AM
Bolton display was in my view cowardly. 10 players behind the ball and at the top of the pk area.
Now that is fine if that is what you think you need to do. But dam they eh even attack. They just
boot the ball away. Their best chance came just after Arsenal score. Its funny because Bolton over the years
had good success over Arsenal by getting in arsenal face and putting their bodies into the tackle.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Andre on January 15, 2009, 02:39:44 PM
"The problem with Arsenal is they don't have a Plan B...the only Plan B they have is Bendtner."

- Shaka Hislop analysing Arsenal's win over Bolton on ESPN Sports Centre.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on January 15, 2009, 03:28:24 PM
"The problem with Arsenal is they don't have a Plan B...the only Plan B they have is Bendtner."

- Shaka Hislop analysing Arsenal's win over Bolton on ESPN Sports Centre.

Bendtner is plan E

Adebayor
Eduardo
Van Persie
Walcott
Bendtner
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on January 15, 2009, 03:42:28 PM
"The problem with Arsenal is they don't have a Plan B...the only Plan B they have is Bendtner."

- Shaka Hislop analysing Arsenal's win over Bolton on ESPN Sports Centre.

Bendtner is plan E

Adebayor
Eduardo
Van Persie
Walcott
Bendtner


Nah, ah think he was referring to Arsene9 summitting him from the bench when he need tuh changes something on the pitch. Yuh know, pull one shithound  (Eboue) and replace him with another!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on January 15, 2009, 06:54:04 PM
Just to tell you how much of ah shit side Arsenull has become; Skysports open up with City's bid €100m plus bid for Kaka and then follow up with Arsenull's continued limp efforts to buy Arshavin at €15-20m.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 16, 2009, 12:22:41 PM
"The problem with Arsenal is they don't have a Plan B...the only Plan B they have is Bendtner."

- Shaka Hislop analysing Arsenal's win over Bolton on ESPN Sports Centre.

Bendtner is plan E

Adebayor
Eduardo
Van Persie
Walcott
Bendtner


Nah, ah think he was referring to Arsene9 summitting him from the bench when he need tuh changes something on the pitch. Yuh know, pull one shithound  (Eboue) and replace him with another!

we might not win shit this year but remember that we beat you soundly at the emirates
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 16, 2009, 12:25:57 PM
Just to tell you how much of ah shit side Arsenull has become; Skysports open up with City's bid €100m plus bid for Kaka and then follow up with Arsenull's continued limp efforts to buy Arshavin at €15-20m.

whats yuh point?? manu ever spend that much???

your statement is tant amount to saying that trinidadians are shithounds because yankees voted for obama and we only voting for patos
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on January 16, 2009, 12:34:02 PM
Just to tell you how much of ah shit side Arsenull has become; Skysports open up with City's bid €100m plus bid for Kaka and then follow up with Arsenull's continued limp efforts to buy Arshavin at €15-20m.


Regardless of the club. Anyone buying Kaka is bigger news than anyone buying Arshavin.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 16, 2009, 12:37:44 PM
Just to tell you how much of ah shit side Arsenull has become; Skysports open up with City's bid €100m plus bid for Kaka and then follow up with Arsenull's continued limp efforts to buy Arshavin at €15-20m.


Regardless of the club. Anyone buying Kaka is bigger news than anyone buying Arshavin.


duh i really dunno what his point is, they have the money to blow why the heck not? chelsea did it, fergie kick dong the manu board room door to get the money he wanted and delivered

wenger is a lil too calculated especially when it comes to money, hes more wary of spending money and not getting results, davor suker, francis jeffers, baptista, etc

rather builds his players than buy, but then ends up loosing them cus the club has strict wages caps, which i totally agree with

go to robbos blog on bbc.com he makes a comment "no one on earth should get paid 100million to kick a ball around, no one"
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 16, 2009, 12:44:36 PM
So it's started - the men in the desert are swapping round their Panini stickers and deciding which ones they want to buy.

Were I a sheikh in Abu Dhabi (and I'm glad I'm not 'cos I can't stand them sub-human temperatures or the freaky chill of air-conditioning) I'd be sending a little posse of henchmen off to Manchester United with the Securicor van loaded to the gills for the gelled tumbler.

Kaka's not a bad place to start though, eh? But when they start talking about 90 million quid and the lad being on half a million a week, you just think well let's forget it. The Blue Bell can cut its Sky subscription, and we can get the crib board and dominoes out of the dusty cupboard behind the bar and just relax.


Hell, let's go the whole hog and get the cheese skittles and the shove ha'penny out and indulge in some proper humble low-budget entertainment, 'cos I'm getting right racked off with contributing to WAG leopard-print scatter cushions and walnut flippin' dashes on the Mercs and Porsches.

No-one, NO-ONE, deserves to earn £100m * for kicking a chuffin' ball about the place. For that amount of money you should be curing cancer, inventing an even larger hadron collider thingamabob and single-handedly arresting the downturn. (*assuming he gets a four-year deal.)

Fact is, I've never particularly begrudged a lad like Rooney or Becks earning a shedload for being able to toe-poke a pig's-bladder creatively, but this has taken it onto a scale where even Rio 'eight-months-off-for-missing-a-drugs-test-but-I-still-want-a-pay-rise' Ferdinand might say: "Do you know what? I think it might be a tad too much per week, that."

There are people all over Europe chewing on bits of wood and wondering where their next job might come from, not to mention the people who scrape by every day regardless of credit being crunched, and this fella who's bought Man City is chucking his cash around with all the care of a cat de-feathering a sparrow. I tell you, it's vomit-inducing.

And the thing is, you wouldn't mind if these millionaires actually got better with each and every salary rise but you look at, say, Chelsea and it's the opposite. There are mercenaries out there on ageing legs whose performances have been so limp you'd almost think they carried their week's wages in their trim and sweaty jock-straps and it was weighing them down.

Some sportsmen'll tell you that the money is not important and I dare say Andy Murray couldn't give a fig about the cheque right now. But the BlueBells (unbeaten in three) all agree that were we to get, ooh I dunno the money Sheva gave his cleaning lady every week while he was in London, we'd all do a damn sight better and we might even stay out of the boozer till after the game out of respect for the dosh we'd be getting.

Then again if you're stupid - or should that be honest - enough to admit that money's the objective, as England's Alistair Cook did before the Stanford charade, then some pillock - a coach or a captain, maybe - will insist that every Englishman is there to represent his country and the million dollars is of secondary importance.

Ballacks. The Stanford match was all about the money. That was the blinking point!

It's the same with Kaka. Man City have been around a while but anyone thinking that the lustre of the sky blue greats that have gone before (Colin Bell, the chubby tumbler and bog-roll magnate Frannie Lee, Tony Book, ermm... Shaun Goater?...) will attract the big names to Eastlands is three strikers short of a starting XI (although that wouldn't worry David Moyes).

If Kaka arrives it'll be for the lolly. He's a devout Christian and gives a good chunk of all he earns to the Church, so he might be able to convince himself in that way. I dunno, though, I'm not sure the Church needs that money more than, say, Middlesbrough FC's transfer budget.

From the noises coming out of Kaka's corner it doesn't sound like he wants to go, but you can bet the Rossoneri are well-interested. It's been suggested that Berlusconi is too proud a man to let a prized asset go but he's not to proud to wear that strangely fixed smile or that spookily black lacquered hairdo that makes him look like a burnt-out mahogany matchstick.

But it's not what Kaka decides that's the problem - and you can hardly blame him if they lay a trail of fivers from his door all the way to some private country residence in Cheshire (not too close to Keano's mutts, mind).

It's the fact that with every passing wage-hike in Premier League land, your average footballer learns less and less about the reasons why we, the wage-payers, go and watch them fall on their sorry backsides every week.

'Cos they used to be like us. They'd fluff a chance and you'd buy 'em a pint after the game and tell them to do better next time. Now they wouldn't go to a pub, and even a lounge bar has its perils.

They live in a cotton-wool world where every step they take is monitored and managed by their clubs like they're poorly pigging kittens on Rolf's Animal Hospital. They're about as in touch with the real world as Blake Fielder-Civil. (And how ironic is that 'Civil' in his name, eh?)

I'm with Shearer on this one - if the Abu Dhabi lobby do handpick a clump of galacticos it'll last for five years max, they'll get bored, everyone'll scuttle off for their retirement jobs at somewhere less freaky and City fans will be left pining for the days of Big Mal and Peter Swales and paying heaps for Steve Daley and Kevin Reeves.

As we say to our grandson Wilfred when he's eyeing up the electric carving knife over Sunday lunch, so I say to Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan: "Put it down! It's not a toy!"

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on January 16, 2009, 12:58:53 PM

we might not win shit this year but remember that we beat you soundly at the emirates

umm.. ok.....well doh complain bout u manager again right, cause u beat we "soundly" at the emirates. Wait? what is soundly? 2-0.

I guess a  newspaper clipping of that 2-0 victory would definitely be a highlight in your trophy case.  :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on January 16, 2009, 01:00:05 PM
Just to tell you how much of ah shit side Arsenull has become; Skysports open up with City's bid €100m plus bid for Kaka and then follow up with Arsenull's continued limp efforts to buy Arshavin at €15-20m.

whats yuh point?? manu ever spend that much???

your statement is tant amount to saying that trinidadians are shithounds because yankees voted for obama and we only voting for patos

damn right we is shithounds!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on January 16, 2009, 01:01:45 PM

go to robbos blog on bbc.com he makes a comment "no one on earth should get paid 100million to kick a ball around, no one"

i agree with that.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 16, 2009, 01:02:04 PM
the following is from the clubs website:

Buying players and winning trophies would appear to be the top priorities in the weeks and months to come but Arsène Wenger insists that football clubs cannot lose sight of a rather different goal - keeping bums on seats.

You might not think that football has a financial care in the world in a week when Manchester City have reportedly offered in excess of £100million for AC Milan star Kaka. But, behind the facade of possibly the biggest transfer fee in history, reality is biting.

For some supporters, giving up their weekly fix of football is a distinct possibility as individuals cut their cloth accordingly amid the recession. Manchester City may be a headline-grabbing exception to the rule but, Wenger argues, for most clubs, keeping their turnstiles clicking should be the No 1 aim.

"You can hide behind Man City buying Kaka for £100m. But that is an exception to what is happening in our world," said Wenger.

"That is why I believe for us it is more interesting to think how can we keep our fans than talking about Kaka. That is living in the real world.

"Football has different types of people coming to the game. You have the client, who is the guy who pays one time to go to a big game and wants to be entertained. Then you have the spectator, who is the guy who comes to watch football. These two categories are between 40 and 60 [years old].

"Then you have two other categories. The first is the supporter of the club. He supports his club and goes to as many games as he can. Then you have the fan. The fan is a guy between 15 and 25 years old who gives all his money to his club. And you have to keep, at the moment, these categories faithful to our club.

"Some of them have been hit harder by the crisis - or will be. For at the moment England every day loses 3,000 jobs. You think that has no consequence on our game? It will have.

"At the moment the world has been hit by a financial crisis not by an economic crisis. The economic crisis is a consequence of the first one and that will be happening in 2009."

So how do clubs ride out an economic crisis? Drop ticket prices to make football more affordable? Or tempt supporters with big-money signings? Wenger understands the dilemmas that lie ahead but insists that survival must come first.

"Do you drop prices? I don't know," he said. "I believe that what is important is that like in any business if you are faced with a crisis you are in a healthy financial situation because the clubs that are in an unhealthy financial situation who have to face reduced income will be in trouble.

"It's true [you keep fans loyal with big signings]. But you keep your fans loyal as well if your club survives.

"Manchester City are not in a position where they have to [be responsible]. They live in a world without the same restrictions. But I believe that having responsibility is to anticipate the future."

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 16, 2009, 01:03:34 PM

we might not win shit this year but remember that we beat you soundly at the emirates

umm.. ok.....well doh complain bout u manager again right, cause u beat we "soundly" at the emirates. Wait? what is soundly? 2-0.

I guess a  newspaper clipping of that 2-0 victory would definitely be a highlight in your trophy case.  :rotfl:

dick!  :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on January 16, 2009, 07:54:02 PM
"The problem with Arsenal is they don't have a Plan B...the only Plan B they have is Bendtner."

- Shaka Hislop analysing Arsenal's win over Bolton on ESPN Sports Centre.

Bendtner is plan E

Adebayor
Eduardo
Van Persie
Walcott
Bendtner


Nah, ah think he was referring to Arsene9 summitting him from the bench when he need tuh changes something on the pitch. Yuh know, pull one shithound  (Eboue) and replace him with another!

we might not win shit this year but remember that we beat you soundly at the emirates


Like I stated Arsenull has become such a shit side dey fans now reduced to being happy with moral victories instead of winning trophies. Enjoy it Gunner ah can't fault yuh!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 17, 2009, 08:35:03 AM
"The problem with Arsenal is they don't have a Plan B...the only Plan B they have is Bendtner."

- Shaka Hislop analysing Arsenal's win over Bolton on ESPN Sports Centre.

Bendtner is plan E

Adebayor
Eduardo
Van Persie
Walcott
Bendtner


Nah, ah think he was referring to Arsene9 summitting him from the bench when he need tuh changes something on the pitch. Yuh know, pull one shithound  (Eboue) and replace him with another!

we might not win shit this year but remember that we beat you soundly at the emirates


Like I stated Arsenull has become such a shit side dey fans now reduced to being happy with moral victories instead of winning trophies. Enjoy it Gunner ah can't fault yuh!

it ain't over you still might not win it chupidee, all yuh done good and probably will take top spot but still have to face liverpool and arsneal and villa so hold yuh tounge
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on January 17, 2009, 09:02:15 AM
Just to tell you how much of ah shit side Arsenull has become; Skysports open up with City's bid €100m plus bid for Kaka and then follow up with Arsenull's continued limp efforts to buy Arshavin at €15-20m.

whats yuh point?? manu ever spend that much???

your statement is tant amount to saying that trinidadians are shithounds because yankees voted for obama and we only voting for patos


My indirect point is all yuh need tuh shit or get off the poosei. Stop actin like allyuh want tuh spend money! Ah swear Arsene9 dos act like dey takin money from he paycheck to buy players!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on January 17, 2009, 12:28:10 PM
Just to tell you how much of ah shit side Arsenull has become; Skysports open up with City's bid €100m plus bid for Kaka and then follow up with Arsenull's continued limp efforts to buy Arshavin at €15-20m.

whats yuh point?? manu ever spend that much???

your statement is tant amount to saying that trinidadians are shithounds because yankees voted for obama and we only voting for patos

correct i don't think i will live to see arsenal(wenger) spending 20mil on a player, no need to be so childish about making your point in the future


My indirect point is all yuh need tuh shit or get off the poosei. Stop actin like allyuh want tuh spend money! Ah swear Arsene9 dos act like dey takin money from he paycheck to buy players!

My a-p-o-l-o-g-i-e-s  G-u-n-n-e-r.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on January 17, 2009, 01:02:01 PM
1-1...70'

come on hull
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: capodetutticapi on January 17, 2009, 01:20:55 PM
de gods smile on ass anal today.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on January 17, 2009, 01:22:55 PM
3-1 to the frenchies


they r loving playing under the spotlight...similar to chelsea last season when no1 was watching them and how they just rose...hopefully arsenal dont do that
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Daft Trini on January 17, 2009, 01:33:49 PM
I feel assanal finally get a bush bath... :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 17, 2009, 05:18:49 PM
Just to tell you how much of ah shit side Arsenull has become; Skysports open up with City's bid €100m plus bid for Kaka and then follow up with Arsenull's continued limp efforts to buy Arshavin at €15-20m.

whats yuh point?? manu ever spend that much???

your statement is tant amount to saying that trinidadians are shithounds because yankees voted for obama and we only voting for patos

i don't think i wil ever live to see wenger(arsenal) spend 20mil on a player its afact i have to live with, but wouldn't trade wenger for any other manager out there


My indirect point is all yuh need tuh shit or get off the poosei. Stop actin like allyuh want tuh spend money! Ah swear Arsene9 dos act like dey takin money from he paycheck to buy players!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 19, 2009, 11:05:42 AM
Zenit St Petersburg playmaker Andrei Arshavin is edging closer to a move to Arsenal.

"Negotiations with Arsenal continue and the chances are very high that Arshavin will soon play in the English Premier League," said Zenit St Petersburg coach Dick Advocaat. (Daily Mail website 1425 GMT).

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 22, 2009, 05:29:52 PM
Eduardo has sent out an ominous warning to Premier League defences by declaring: “I am ready”.
 
The Brazil-born striker completed his first 90 minutes since last February when he lined up for Arsenal Reserves in their 2-2 draw against Stoke City at the Britannia Stadium on Wednesday night.
 
After hitting the post in his first ‘comeback’ match against Portsmouth Reserves in December, the Croatian international went even closer against the Potters but saw his 87th-minute strike ruled out for offside.
 
Despite that minor disappointment, the 25-year-old is delighted with his progress and is confident that it will not be long until he finds the net again.
 
“The goal is coming,” Eduardo told Arsenal.com. “I am happy because I have got the chances, and that is not easy. Only when I get a chance can I finish it.
 
“It has been a long time since I’ve played 90 minutes and now I feel better knowing that I can play a whole game. I feel much stronger than I have and I am very happy now
 
“The plan against Portsmouth Reserves was to play an hour but we decided with the small injury that I should go off because of the risk in continuing the game. But I am happy now, I played 45 minutes of that game which was good for my confidence.”
 
The next step now of course is turning out for the first team again and Eduardo has no doubts that he is ready.
 
“I think I am ready for the first team but you would have to ask the boss,” the striker said. “I feel very well and I’m training hard every day. Of course I want to come back quick and strong. Now, every game for me is a big step.
 
“In my head and everything I am ready. I am happy with the 90 minutes tonight on a very hard pitch with all the hard rain. I needed time in the Reserves to get my match fitness back.
 
“But playing my first game for the first team, I am ready now and I am just waiting for my chance.”

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on January 23, 2009, 05:46:15 AM
i'm glad that he can make it back. Hope he can regain his form for Croatia  ;)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 23, 2009, 01:40:32 PM
too right croatia looked a shadow of what they were at the euro's

and haven't looked bright since

gallas is back too but still waiting on cesc and wallcott and eduardo
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on January 23, 2009, 01:42:25 PM
too right croatia looked a shadow of what they were at the euro's

and haven't looked bright since

gallas is back too but still waiting on cesc and wallcott and eduardo

Croatia was looking good for the title up until the game they get knock out, wha you talking bout?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 23, 2009, 03:39:13 PM
too right croatia looked a shadow of what they were at the euro's

and haven't looked bright since

gallas is back too but still waiting on cesc and wallcott and eduardo

Croatia was looking good for the title up until the game they get knock out, wha you talking bout?

and they did not win where as if they had eduardo i am sure it would have turned out differently
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: JDB on January 23, 2009, 04:42:17 PM
and they did not win where as if they had eduardo i am sure it would have turned out differently


This is some blinkered reasoning.

What did they win when they had Eduardo?

And even if they were a "shadow" of themselves yuh really believ that one foreward would transform the whole side. I could understand if yuh say that they lacked something up front but come on man.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: WestCoast on January 23, 2009, 05:05:41 PM
and they did not win where as if they had eduardo i am sure it would have turned out differently


This is some blinkered reasoning.

What did they win when they had Eduardo?

And even if they were a "shadow" of themselves yuh really believ that one foreward would transform the whole side. I could understand if yuh say that they lacked something up front but come on man.
dah mus be from the "Shell Shock"  :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on January 23, 2009, 08:01:11 PM


gallas is back too but still waiting on cesc and wallcott and eduardo

all a dem ? nah u getting too greedy now!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 24, 2009, 05:29:52 PM


gallas is back too but still waiting on cesc and wallcott and eduardo

all a dem ? nah u getting too greedy now!

need back at least walcott and rosicky and cesc
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 25, 2009, 05:06:26 PM
lovely just what we need another game with a shortened squad.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on January 25, 2009, 05:34:54 PM
Poor performance today. Eboue is shattered mentally and what Wenger is doing is admirable, but maybe what he needs a rest, maybe a trip home to visit friends and family (play some small goal in the road). Honestly he offers nothing and is hurting the team in the build up.
Bendtner is another one struggling and Ramsey could not handle the occasion.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Jefferz on January 26, 2009, 03:06:15 AM
If Eduardo comes back strong... ill be more than hopeful.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 26, 2009, 06:44:59 PM
Arsenal have struck a deal with Zenit St Petersburg for Andrei Arshavin, according to the Russian club, but a transfer is still some way from being concluded.

The Gunners have been locked in talks with Zenit for some time over the services of the 27-year-old Russia international, who shone at Euro 2008.

Zenit have not revealed the figure Arsenal have bid for the club's long-serving star, although they claim the fee is the 'real market value of the player'.

Arshavin, who interested Spanish giants Barcelona last summer, is now discussing personal terms with Arsene Wenger's side, but Zenit say his lofty demands are currently outside Arsenal's budget.

"The fundamental understanding over the transfer of the player has been achieved between the clubs," read a statement on Zenit's official website.

"At the moment the basic obstacle in realising the transaction is Andrei Arshavin's personal requirements."





exciting prospect still not confirmed and too early to jump up n down, can still collapse
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 27, 2009, 07:41:51 PM
an its announced on arsenal.com by wenger that we have NOT agreed a fee
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 28, 2009, 03:25:41 PM
right well the only way arsneal getting back into the Champs league is to win it, and highly unlikly with the way the side playing

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: NYtriniwhiteboy.. on January 28, 2009, 03:27:01 PM
yeah everton up one nil...men real poopsin down themselves
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 28, 2009, 03:38:59 PM
yeah everton up one nil...men real poopsin down themselves

i would use stronger words than poopsin but men would say doh cry dong meh side

but ah turd is ah turd is ah turd
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on January 28, 2009, 03:46:36 PM
I think Cahil should sleep in Saturday so he can come back fresh to play Shiterpool!  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: NYtriniwhiteboy.. on January 28, 2009, 03:51:04 PM
van persie now rescue arsenal...1-1
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on January 28, 2009, 03:54:47 PM
van persie now rescue arsenal...1-1

I can say enough about these 'so call' big sides who workin tuh the end tuh at least get ah point. Yuh cah beat it! Dat could mean the difference btw 2nd and 5th.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 28, 2009, 04:17:54 PM
van persie now rescue arsenal...1-1

I can say enough about these 'so call' big sides who workin tuh the end tuh at least get ah point. Yuh cah beat it! Dat could mean the difference btw 2nd and 5th.

or not even euro cup
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: elan on January 28, 2009, 05:04:51 PM
(http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/flightsims/images/fbscreens/Heathen210/bf109_in_flames.jpg)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 28, 2009, 05:44:46 PM
(http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/flightsims/images/fbscreens/Heathen210/bf109_in_flames.jpg)

dunno whats funnier the picture or the fact you play games like that enough to know how to get the picture
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Jefferz on January 29, 2009, 03:43:38 PM
stewps, ah f**kin fed up.

this team better start to produce.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on January 29, 2009, 07:01:28 PM
This just in 'Wenger continues to be cautious about Arshivin'. Ah hope for all the Arsenull fans this thing gets done before the start of next season.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 30, 2009, 04:32:12 PM
rigth now i just want a team that fights with tooth and nail and shows some inventiveness
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: capodetutticapi on January 31, 2009, 10:55:25 AM
hope villa could come away with victory,because allyuh ketchin hell with west ham.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on January 31, 2009, 11:40:30 AM
(http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/flightsims/images/fbscreens/Heathen210/bf109_in_flames.jpg)

dunno whats funnier the picture or the fact you play games like that enough to know how to get the picture


  I didn't realize it had anyting to do wit video game, nuh......I tawt he put up de picture to symbolize ass 'n all rapid and fiery descent to earth after a somewhat decent start to the season...... ???.............;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on January 31, 2009, 02:11:58 PM
rigth now i just want a team that fights with tooth and nail and shows some inventiveness

well I think they fighting but inventiveness????? Eboue, Diaby, Denilson and Bendtner inventiveness eh happening.
Arsenal have kept pace with scoring goals, but given up an astonishing 25 goals this season no team leaking like that can win a league.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on January 31, 2009, 02:15:01 PM
(http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/flightsims/images/fbscreens/Heathen210/bf109_in_flames.jpg)

dunno whats funnier the picture or the fact you play games like that enough to know how to get the picture


  I didn't realize it had anyting to do wit video game, nuh......I tawt he put up de picture to symbolize ass 'n all rapid and fiery descent to earth after a somewhat decent start to the season...... ???.............;D

or he mean that they going down in flames
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on January 31, 2009, 04:53:16 PM
(http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/flightsims/images/fbscreens/Heathen210/bf109_in_flames.jpg)

dunno whats funnier the picture or the fact you play games like that enough to know how to get the picture


  I didn't realize it had anyting to do wit video game, nuh......I tawt he put up de picture to symbolize ass 'n all rapid and fiery descent to earth after a somewhat decent start to the season...... ???.............;D

They had a better start last year  ???
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: FLi ! on January 31, 2009, 05:41:35 PM

ADEBAYOR !!! :bs:

I ain't hearing nobody running to the shithound defence no more...wham ?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: WestCoast on January 31, 2009, 06:04:03 PM
ADEBAYOR !!! :bs:
I ain't hearing nobody running to the shithound defence no more...wham ?
jeezan ages, you must be FINALLY relieved that your expectations have born fruit eh :rotfl: :rotfl:
at least he had the games's TWO BEST chances.....considering there are 22 players, that is not bad ;)
"After the break Arsenal were all over West Ham but Emmanuel Adebayor wasted the game's two best chances with a shot wide and header straight at the keeper."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/7856375.stm
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: FLi ! on January 31, 2009, 06:53:28 PM
ADEBAYOR !!! :bs:
I ain't hearing nobody running to the shithound defence no more...wham ?
jeezan ages, you must be FINALLY relieved that your expectations have born fruit eh :rotfl: :rotfl:
at least he had the games's TWO BEST chances.....considering there are 22 players, that is not bad ;)
"After the break Arsenal were all over West Ham but Emmanuel Adebayor wasted the game's two best chances with a shot wide and header straight at the keeper."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/7856375.stm

You obviously haven't watched the last couple Arsenal games....He mess down the place in Cardiff for the FA Cup
Ah doh know what you mean when you saying i'm 'relieved' my expectations bout bore fruit- i said whole of last year was a oneoff which would not be repeated in any form, and the following year he has purged down the place
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Feliziano on February 01, 2009, 12:19:15 AM
This just in 'Wenger continues to be cautious about Arshivin'. Ah hope for all the Arsenull fans this thing gets done before the start of next season.
them just grandcharging or just like de drama..dem ent buying nobody  ::)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on February 01, 2009, 07:42:48 AM

ADEBAYOR !!! :bs:

I ain't hearing nobody running to the shithound defence no more...wham ?

Yuh now come out. Like yuh spend all of this season shaking yuh bone and lighting candle over a picture of Adebayor waiting fuh this momen ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on February 01, 2009, 07:53:03 AM

ADEBAYOR !!! :bs:

I ain't hearing nobody running to the shithound defence no more...wham ?

Yuh now come out. Like yuh spend all of this season shaking yuh bone and lighting candle over a picture of Adebayor waiting fuh this momen ;D

 :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on February 01, 2009, 09:25:47 AM
This just in 'Wenger continues to be cautious about Arshivin'. Ah hope for all the Arsenull fans this thing gets done before the start of next season.
them just grandcharging or just like de drama..dem ent buying nobody  ::)


Yep, Arsene9 is Jim Jones and all dem Arsenull supporters drink the kool aid. In Arsene9 they trust-yeah man!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on February 01, 2009, 09:30:52 AM
(http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/flightsims/images/fbscreens/Heathen210/bf109_in_flames.jpg)

dunno whats funnier the picture or the fact you play games like that enough to know how to get the picture


  I didn't realize it had anyting to do wit video game, nuh......I tawt he put up de picture to symbolize ass 'n all rapid and fiery descent to earth after a somewhat decent start to the season...... ???.............;D

They had a better start last year  ???

   Yeah, but image wasn't ready yet.




ADEBAYOR !!! :bs:

I ain't hearing nobody running to the shithound defence no more...wham ?

Yuh now come out. Like yuh spend all of this season shaking yuh bone and lighting candle over a picture of Adebayor waiting fuh this momen ;D


   :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Jefferz on February 02, 2009, 09:21:21 AM
ADEBAYOR !!! :bs:
I ain't hearing nobody running to the shithound defence no more...wham ?
jeezan ages, you must be FINALLY relieved that your expectations have born fruit eh :rotfl: :rotfl:
at least he had the games's TWO BEST chances.....considering there are 22 players, that is not bad ;)
"After the break Arsenal were all over West Ham but Emmanuel Adebayor wasted the game's two best chances with a shot wide and header straight at the keeper."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/7856375.stm

You obviously haven't watched the last couple Arsenal games....He mess down the place in Cardiff for the FA Cup
Ah doh know what you mean when you saying i'm 'relieved' my expectations bout bore fruit- i said whole of last year was a oneoff which would not be repeated in any form, and the following year he has purged down the place

yeah yuh also said it while he was scorin goal regular.

you back with this idiotic shit, as if people doh go in and out of form, you forget you went as far as to say that he wasnt prem material.

id love to hear you try to reopen that arugement.

stewps.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Andre on February 02, 2009, 10:47:02 AM
word on the street is that arsenal agree a fee for arshavin.

if he work out & cesc come back + nasri + walcott, that go be a wicked midfield.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on February 03, 2009, 11:31:39 AM
I look forward to seeing Arshavin play and what he will be adding to the competition!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on February 03, 2009, 11:33:57 AM
I am completely jealous.... I wanted this guy at Utd so badly....but i have to admit when i saw him you could see his style belonged at Arsenal...

You have no idea how lucky you lot are
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: JDB on February 03, 2009, 11:47:07 AM
So where exactly is Arshavin playing?

Unless he playing off a striker he would be in Wenger favourite position - Skillful central midfielder playing "wide" and cutting in on every play. See Hleb, Rosicky, Nasri as references.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Andre on February 03, 2009, 11:54:25 AM
it official. now what wenger?

http://digg.com/soccer/Andrei_Arshavin_Models_the_Arsenal_Jersey

(http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll157/footballer2008/gun__1233680011_arshavin_gallery4.jpg)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: capodetutticapi on February 03, 2009, 11:57:32 AM
alot of talent but assanal will still be without any hardware this year.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Andre on February 04, 2009, 08:12:41 AM
Fabregas wants to return to Barcelona

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MADRID (AFP) - Arsenal's Spanish international midfielder Cesc Fabregas wants to return to Barcelona next season where he would have a better chance of playing in the Champions League, sports daily Marca reported Wednesday.

The 21-year-old, who has been in Spain recovering from a serious knee injury that has left him sidelined since December, has met with people linked to the runaway leaders of the Spanish club in recent weeks, it said.

"The message he has sent out to all is that he is crazy for Barcelona to sign him for next season," said the report, without citing sources.

Barcelona does not want to pay more than 20 million euros (26 million dollars) for the player because "no one would understand a huge payout for a player who came through the club's youth team," the newspaper added.

Fabregas, who was injured after a tackle by fellow Spaniard Xabi Alonso during Aresenal's 1-1 draw against Liverpool on December 21, is under contract with the English side until 2014.

He joined Arsenal from the youth ranks of Barcelona in July 2003.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kicker on February 04, 2009, 09:02:21 AM
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MADRID (AFP) - Arsenal's Spanish international midfielder Cesc Fabregas wants to return to Barcelona next season where he would have a better chance of playing in the Champions League, sports daily Marca reported Wednesday.

The 21-year-old, who has been in Spain recovering from a serious knee injury that has left him sidelined since December, has met with people linked to the runaway leaders of the Spanish club in recent weeks, it said.

"The message he has sent out to all is that he is crazy for Barcelona to sign him for next season," said the report, without citing sources.

Barcelona does not want to pay more than 20 million euros (26 million dollars) for the player because "no one would understand a huge payout for a player who came through the club's youth team," the newspaper added.

Fabregas, who was injured after a tackle by fellow Spaniard Xabi Alonso during Aresenal's 1-1 draw against Liverpool on December 21, is under contract with the English side until 2014.

He joined Arsenal from the youth ranks of Barcelona in July 2003.

Is there room for Fabregas in Barca's line up right now?  In a few years maybe, but in my books he's still no. 3 behind Xavi & Iniesta.....as he was for Spain in Euro '08.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 07, 2009, 10:33:39 PM
Fabregas wants to return to Barcelona

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MADRID (AFP) - Arsenal's Spanish international midfielder Cesc Fabregas wants to return to Barcelona next season where he would have a better chance of playing in the Champions League, sports daily Marca reported Wednesday.

The 21-year-old, who has been in Spain recovering from a serious knee injury that has left him sidelined since December, has met with people linked to the runaway leaders of the Spanish club in recent weeks, it said.

"The message he has sent out to all is that he is crazy for Barcelona to sign him for next season," said the report, without citing sources.

Barcelona does not want to pay more than 20 million euros (26 million dollars) for the player because "no one would understand a huge payout for a player who came through the club's youth team," the newspaper added.

Fabregas, who was injured after a tackle by fellow Spaniard Xabi Alonso during Aresenal's 1-1 draw against Liverpool on December 21, is under contract with the English side until 2014.

He joined Arsenal from the youth ranks of Barcelona in July 2003.

Is there room for Fabregas in Barca's line up right now?  In a few years maybe, but in my books he's still no. 3 behind Xavi & Iniesta.....as he was for Spain in Euro '08.
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as usual kicker with the voice of reason and commonsense


tomorrows game is going to be cut throat, spurs need the points but not as much as arsenal need to get back in the champs league spots
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: FLi ! on February 08, 2009, 08:22:01 AM
ADEBAYOR !!! :bs:
I ain't hearing nobody running to the shithound defence no more...wham ?
jeezan ages, you must be FINALLY relieved that your expectations have born fruit eh :rotfl: :rotfl:
at least he had the games's TWO BEST chances.....considering there are 22 players, that is not bad ;)
"After the break Arsenal were all over West Ham but Emmanuel Adebayor wasted the game's two best chances with a shot wide and header straight at the keeper."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/7856375.stm

You obviously haven't watched the last couple Arsenal games....He mess down the place in Cardiff for the FA Cup
Ah doh know what you mean when you saying i'm 'relieved' my expectations bout bore fruit- i said whole of last year was a oneoff which would not be repeated in any form, and the following year he has purged down the place

yeah yuh also said it while he was scorin goal regular.

you back with this idiotic shit, as if people doh go in and out of form, you forget you went as far as to say that he wasnt prem material.

id love to hear you try to reopen that arugement.

stewps.

Jefferz

You're still on this board ?

I see you still haven't taken my advice to get tested for that learning disability....do it soon, you'll thank me later
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 09, 2009, 07:35:21 AM
hey tick

i mean fli, you should be happy ade's out for 3 weeks

see you in three weeks

ciao
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on February 09, 2009, 06:52:08 PM
Arsenal has not lost in 10 games, but I have not seen any of the football that has made Arsenal the team of most neutrals. The slick passing and movement game has gone and Arsenal look more like scrappers than artist. I know they have injuries and their main play maker is out for a while, but lets face it even the healthy big names have looked ordinary. I was really shocked that Wenger put VanPersie in the same sentence as Dennis B. Van Persie may have the ability to score more goals but to compare him to the maestro is far fetched. Now Wenger may be trying to get the best out of VanPersie, but please. Well see how the Russian fits in, but I can't see him solving the midfield problems, nor improving penetration in the wide positions.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 10, 2009, 09:06:19 AM
Arsenal has not lost in 10 games, but I have not seen any of the football that has made Arsenal the team of most neutrals. The slick passing and movement game has gone and Arsenal look more like scrappers than artist. I know they have injuries and their main play maker is out for a while, but lets face it even the healthy big names have looked ordinary. I was really shocked that Wenger put VanPersie in the same sentence as Dennis B. Van Persie may have the ability to score more goals but to compare him to the maestro is far fetched. Now Wenger may be trying to get the best out of VanPersie, but please. Well see how the Russian fits in, but I can't see him solving the midfield problems, nor improving penetration in the wide positions.

we are just not scoring, the only creative players on the pitch was nasri, thats it the rest feed off others, vela brings a dual attacking role with creativity and atttacks, but he hardly gets on the pitch, wenger prefers bendtners size to vela, diaby comes in and has that vieira esque style but hasn't settled, all in all arsenal is a very unsettled side

as for the free flow you see it pop up during the games, we get critisized for not wining even if we play pretty, so at least we get critisized for not winning when we aren't playing pretty. name a consistent side that has played all season for arsneal? where is arsenals backbone and i dont mean strength i mean the spine of the team that its built around?

arsenal needs to put them boys on some weight training programs this summer, flamini and helb and rosicky and cesc had the midfield dialed in, now who's doing the dialing?

ideal midfield with all fit would be walcott, cesc, nasri, rosicky personally i feel ramsey is yet to show and i wish wilshire was older and stronger cus man he's got guts. we need an adaptable midifeld, with arshavin floating behind the front two and the thus giving midfilders/defenders problems because you have the speed of passing with type of players in your midfield and forwards
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on February 10, 2009, 09:25:14 AM
Wilshire should have been given the nod over Eboue a long time ago. At least he allows Arsenal to keep possession. He can penetrate moving inside, with good shooting ability and he is creative with his passing.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 10, 2009, 09:36:36 PM
i know th eboy young but so is the rest of the team
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on February 11, 2009, 06:49:06 AM
i know th eboy young but so is the rest of the team



Oh Lord hear we go with the spewings of the Kool Aid drinking Arsenull fan as preached by Arsene9- ' Arsenull are a young team'. Dey aint grow up yet?  The boy plain dotish! Young my arsenull!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on February 11, 2009, 08:43:08 AM
i know th eboy young but so is the rest of the team



Oh Lord hear we go with the spewings of the Kool Aid drinking Arsenull fan as preached by Arsene9- ' Arsenull are a young team'. Dey aint grow up yet?  The boy plain dotish! Young my arsenull!

Yes Giggsy11 you have a point, but the reality of the league is that not everyone can afford
to have a bench at a cost that would fund a Premiership team. This is true for every league.
ManU, Liverpool and Chelsea are way ahead in terms of spending and Chelsea (even with Abramovich) is showing huge financial losses.
Putting rivalry aside, there are clubs spending way more money, that have not had even a hint of the same success (not to mention the quality of their football) and most would trade position in the table with Arsenal. I suspect Wenger will move on soon and when he does it will be interesting to see what will happen to Arsenal. I remember Arsenal well before he came. One would be hardpressed to see anyone in an Arsenal shirt and certainly no one outside of London or England.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on February 11, 2009, 12:30:50 PM
i know th eboy young but so is the rest of the team



Oh Lord hear we go with the spewings of the Kool Aid drinking Arsenull fan as preached by Arsene9- ' Arsenull are a young team'. Dey aint grow up yet?  The boy plain dotish! Young my arsenull!

Yes Giggsy11 you have a point, but the reality of the league is that not everyone can afford
to have a bench at a cost that would fund a Premiership team. This is true for every league.
ManU, Liverpool and Chelsea are way ahead in terms of spending and Chelsea (even with Abramovich) is showing huge financial losses.
Putting rivalry aside, there are clubs spending way more money, that have not had even a hint of the same success (not to mention the quality of their football) and most would trade position in the table with Arsenal. I suspect Wenger will move on soon and when he does it will be interesting to see what will happen to Arsenal. I remember Arsenal well before he came. One would be hardpressed to see anyone in an Arsenal shirt and certainly no one outside of London or England.


I am not even talking about their bench but the players they field and have been fielding over the past 3 years. They experience in defense, with forwards and just got a little more so with Arshavin, midfield experience. I am just tired of hearing the same hymn sung 'we are a young team'. When they knocked out Ac Milan a few years ago, wasn't everybody cooing about the 'young team' and how great they will be when they get some experience? All those years of playing haven't they gained experience or gotten older. That is just a convenient way to avoid saying this is as good as some of them will get, they can't cut it and Arsene9 doing shit! He can go to Real or Barca have a blank check and he will still go for the player who he can mold versus a player who can help fill an immediate need. To much of anything is bad; Chelski and Arsenull are opposites in their approach but getting similar results.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on February 11, 2009, 01:04:17 PM
hahhaaha I was talking about ManU & Chelsea bench  ::)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on February 11, 2009, 01:26:42 PM
hahhaaha I was talking about ManU & Chelsea bench  ::)

LOL! Oh!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 11, 2009, 05:44:11 PM
i know th eboy young but so is the rest of the team



Oh Lord hear we go with the spewings of the Kool Aid drinking Arsenull fan as preached by Arsene9- ' Arsenull are a young team'. Dey aint grow up yet?  The boy plain dotish! Young my arsenull!

it seems to be a peter pan syndrome year after year the over thirties or close fly out, and the findings have to learn to fly fast

so ridicule all you like, fergie has it locked on making a team peak by dec jan and go on a wicked run after that.

yes he was the first so say cudos to the other clubs and managers that aim to have a legacy liek manu and stop being such ungracious winning louts and by louts i mean c*nts
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 11, 2009, 05:45:45 PM
i know th eboy young but so is the rest of the team



Oh Lord hear we go with the spewings of the Kool Aid drinking Arsenull fan as preached by Arsene9- ' Arsenull are a young team'. Dey aint grow up yet?  The boy plain dotish! Young my arsenull!

Yes Giggsy11 you have a point, but the reality of the league is that not everyone can afford
to have a bench at a cost that would fund a Premiership team. This is true for every league.
ManU, Liverpool and Chelsea are way ahead in terms of spending and Chelsea (even with Abramovich) is showing huge financial losses.
Putting rivalry aside, there are clubs spending way more money, that have not had even a hint of the same success (not to mention the quality of their football) and most would trade position in the table with Arsenal. I suspect Wenger will move on soon and when he does it will be interesting to see what will happen to Arsenal. I remember Arsenal well before he came. One would be hardpressed to see anyone in an Arsenal shirt and certainly no one outside of London or England.

what trite are you spewing in your last lines???

palosarsenal has history ok manu really came into being in the 90's so get off yuh high horse
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 11, 2009, 05:47:09 PM
i know th eboy young but so is the rest of the team



Oh Lord hear we go with the spewings of the Kool Aid drinking Arsenull fan as preached by Arsene9- ' Arsenull are a young team'. Dey aint grow up yet?  The boy plain dotish! Young my arsenull!

Yes Giggsy11 you have a point, but the reality of the league is that not everyone can afford
to have a bench at a cost that would fund a Premiership team. This is true for every league.
ManU, Liverpool and Chelsea are way ahead in terms of spending and Chelsea (even with Abramovich) is showing huge financial losses.
Putting rivalry aside, there are clubs spending way more money, that have not had even a hint of the same success (not to mention the quality of their football) and most would trade position in the table with Arsenal. I suspect Wenger will move on soon and when he does it will be interesting to see what will happen to Arsenal. I remember Arsenal well before he came. One would be hardpressed to see anyone in an Arsenal shirt and certainly no one outside of London or England.


I am not even talking about their bench but the players they field and have been fielding over the past 3 years. They experience in defense, with forwards and just got a little more so with Arshavin, midfield experience. I am just tired of hearing the same hymn sung 'we are a young team'. When they knocked out Ac Milan a few years ago, wasn't everybody cooing about the 'young team' and how great they will be when they get some experience? All those years of playing haven't they gained experience or gotten older. That is just a convenient way to avoid saying this is as good as some of them will get, they can't cut it and Arsene9 doing shit! He can go to Real or Barca have a blank check and he will still go for the player who he can mold versus a player who can help fill an immediate need. To much of anything is bad; Chelski and Arsenull are opposites in their approach but getting similar results.

yeah a few years ago against ac we had experience through out the side henry flamini lehman gilberto etc
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 13, 2009, 10:56:21 AM
so eduardo might not be use din the fa cup replay against cardiff nor is arshavin available



we need this win we need goals and lots of them

cardiff will be no push overs they are on a great unbeaten run and not conceeded in some time

promises to be an interesting fixture on monday

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on February 13, 2009, 12:21:14 PM
so eduardo might not be use din the fa cup replay against cardiff nor is arshavin available



we need this win we need goals and lots of them

cardiff will be no push overs they are on a great unbeaten run and not conceeded in some time

promises to be an interesting fixture on monday



how come arshavin not playing?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on February 13, 2009, 12:54:11 PM
so eduardo might not be use din the fa cup replay against cardiff nor is arshavin available



we need this win we need goals and lots of them

cardiff will be no push overs they are on a great unbeaten run and not conceeded in some time

promises to be an interesting fixture on monday



how come arshavin not playing?

Probably to old.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: capodetutticapi on February 13, 2009, 12:59:11 PM
wuh happen he injured,allyuh buyin damaged goods.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on February 13, 2009, 06:31:24 PM
wuh happen he injured,allyuh buyin damaged goods.


Nah, he ineligible.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 13, 2009, 08:07:23 PM
so eduardo might not be use din the fa cup replay against cardiff nor is arshavin available



we need this win we need goals and lots of them

cardiff will be no push overs they are on a great unbeaten run and not conceeded in some time

promises to be an interesting fixture on monday



how come arshavin not playing?

because he wasnt an arsenal player before the first leg he's ineligable
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on February 16, 2009, 02:30:56 PM
i see Eduardo score on his return... :applause:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on February 16, 2009, 03:12:22 PM
i see Eduardo score on his return... :applause:

I second that and he looks ok. Lets wish him well.  :applause:
On another note Song and Denilson have no pressure what so ever and they still giving away simple passes.
Bendtner say he should play every game, but to tell you the truth he don't look anywhere close in the pecking order. Heavy touch, no pace and needs too many chances to score. And I mean simple chances.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Peong on February 16, 2009, 03:46:32 PM
Allyuh need to include a psychological evaluation before allyuh sign a player eh.  Something seem a bit off with this fella.
These are the quotes from Bendtner.

Quote
''I should start every game, I should be playing every minute of every match and always be in the team.''

''I've never seen Arshavin. I did not watch Euro 2008,'' he said. ''I've no idea what sort of player he is.''

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 16, 2009, 04:18:17 PM
arm up match but i have no idea what cardif were playing at

it didnt look like a cup match at all

were they in awe?? i doubt

its the creative difference we were missing look at vela, his contributions along with nasri and eduardo and bendtner had cardif defense on the back foot

it just shows how much of an unqualified ego bendter is, in respect to his pre game comments and his performance
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 19, 2009, 08:26:04 AM
arm up match but i have no idea what cardif were playing at

it didnt look like a cup match at all

were they in awe?? i doubt

its the creative difference we were missing look at vela, his contributions along with nasri and eduardo and bendtner had cardif defense on the back foot

it just shows how much of an unqualified ego bendter is, in respect to his pre game comments and his performance

so he has come out and defended that he was mis quoted by british press (very very very plausible) from an interview he had with danish press

still hes the danish version of stern john
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: JDB on February 24, 2009, 08:45:04 AM
Alright fellas, prediction time. I giving a prediction for each of the threads involving the English teams. Barca Lyon is a forgone conclusion. Bayern, Atletico and Villareal for the other non-English ties.

On form Roma should win but Roma has disappointed in the knockout stage in the past two years going out with a whimper to United both times. Arsenal side is a shambles right now and they have done better in Europe in recent years compared to the League. They have been getting by recently by being hard to break down. Very tough call. Roma win over two legs.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on February 24, 2009, 01:38:24 PM
don't know why Roma leave Vucinic on the bench.

I feel this match is a draw and Roma will win in the 2nd leg.

Arsenal really gone thru boy, allyuh eh even get allyuh own match thread. :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on February 24, 2009, 02:46:38 PM
game going decent, i takin it in on espn 360 (what luck! no meeting today and i discovered 360...all i need is for it to start raining beer ;D)   arsenal is lookin fairly good, bendtner is a goat but we all know why he is starting, nasri and rvp are key to our progress.   
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Filho on February 24, 2009, 03:45:14 PM
1-0....both sides willbe relatively happy with this score. Arsenal didn't concede and have the lead, Roma will feel they within striking distance with the return at the Stadio Olimpico
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: makaveli on February 24, 2009, 03:50:56 PM
game going decent, i takin it in on espn 360 (what luck! no meeting today and i discovered 360...all i need is for it to start raining beer ;D)   arsenal is lookin fairly good, bendtner is a goat but we all know why he is starting, nasri and rvp are key to our progress.   

please tell me...i still trying to figure Wenger out
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 24, 2009, 08:04:15 PM
game going decent, i takin it in on espn 360 (what luck! no meeting today and i discovered 360...all i need is for it to start raining beer ;D)   arsenal is lookin fairly good, bendtner is a goat but we all know why he is starting, nasri and rvp are key to our progress.   

please tell me...i still trying to figure Wenger out

wenger can be a monk with his undying "faith" in players to blossom, hes a faken weed pull him out
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 25, 2009, 01:37:43 PM
can you imagine an arsenal side like this?

almunia

sagna toure gallas clichy

nasri  arshavin cesc wallcott

eduardo vanpersie
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on February 25, 2009, 02:31:50 PM
can you imagine an arsenal side like this?

almunia

sagna toure gallas clichy

nasri  arshavin cesc wallcott

eduardo vanpersie


I would love to see Walcott playing up front with Adebayor or Van Per if Arsenal have to play with two upfront

Just once I would not mind seeing this

        almunia

sagna toure gallas clichy

            Diaby

 arshavin  cesc    Rosiky     
             
        nasri
   

   vanpersie or adebayor


Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on February 25, 2009, 02:34:09 PM
can you imagine an arsenal side like this?

almunia

sagna toure gallas clichy

nasri  arshavin cesc wallcott

eduardo vanpersie

i can imagine a side like that getting level blows..

who defending in that midfield ???
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 25, 2009, 02:48:09 PM
i toyed with denilson and diaby but in the end figured arshavin and cesc and naris show alot of work rate
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 26, 2009, 02:23:32 PM
fulham this weekend, oh joy not, they seem to be scoring and pulling together soem gritty performances, we are yet to score from open play in god knows how long
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on February 26, 2009, 03:03:34 PM
can you imagine an arsenal side like this?

almunia

sagna toure gallas clichy

nasri  arshavin cesc wallcott

eduardo vanpersie

i can imagine a side like that getting level blows..

who defending in that midfield ???



better yet, the tallest player is what 5'9?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 26, 2009, 09:57:08 PM
can you imagine an arsenal side like this?

almunia

sagna toure gallas clichy

nasri  arshavin cesc wallcott

eduardo vanpersie

i can imagine a side like that getting level blows..

who defending in that midfield ???



better yet, the tallest player is what 5'9?

your point? best plyers are over 6ft?

so bench messi
rooney
giggs
pele
platini
maradonna
shall i go on?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on February 27, 2009, 06:33:52 AM
can you imagine an arsenal side like this?

almunia

sagna toure gallas clichy

nasri  arshavin cesc wallcott

eduardo vanpersie

i can imagine a side like that getting level blows..

who defending in that midfield ???



better yet, the tallest player is what 5'9?

your point? best plyers are over 6ft?

so bench messi
rooney
giggs
pele
platini
maradonna
shall i go on?


My point is your side is a bunch of midgets and one demensional palyers. Look it is easy tuh pick on your side because all yuh is shite! One of these days doh all yuh will come good again. In Arsene9 we trust!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on February 27, 2009, 07:55:25 AM
game going decent, i takin it in on espn 360 (what luck! no meeting today and i discovered 360...all i need is for it to start raining beer ;D)   arsenal is lookin fairly good, bendtner is a goat but we all know why he is starting, nasri and rvp are key to our progress.   

please tell me...i still trying to figure Wenger out

He is starting because Eduardo and Adebayor are injured. Simple as that.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on February 27, 2009, 07:58:56 AM
I'd go with

Almunia
Sagna Toure Gallas Clichy
Arshavin Denilson Fabregas Nasri
Ade RVP

Bench: Fabianski, Djourou, Diaby, Rosicky, Theo, Eduardo, Vela

Just because Diaby looks like Viera doesn't mean he's a defensive midfielder. Watch the Roma game.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on February 27, 2009, 08:02:23 AM
I think its better, at least for Arsenal, to have a box-to-box midfielder (like Flamini was) instead of a slow defensive midfielder. At the begining of the season it looked like Cesc was working on that part of his game, not just attacking but he was running the whole field and trying to dictate play from deep. His attacking game suffered though, but we'll see when he comes back.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on February 27, 2009, 08:08:57 AM
can you imagine an arsenal side like this?

almunia

sagna toure gallas clichy

nasri  arshavin cesc wallcott

eduardo vanpersie

i can imagine a side like that getting level blows..

who defending in that midfield ???



better yet, the tallest player is what 5'9?

I don't mind if the midfield is short players, as long as they can create and break up play on the ground. Its the defenders job to deal with crosses. Is really the defenders job to defend anyway.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on February 27, 2009, 08:32:25 AM
Diaby is fit for the weekend

Almunia
Sanga Toure Gallas Clichy
Arshavin Diaby Denilson Nasri
RVP Bendtner?

Theo, Ade and Eduardo should be fit for Roma away
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 27, 2009, 10:39:00 AM
can you imagine an arsenal side like this?

almunia

sagna toure gallas clichy

nasri  arshavin cesc wallcott

eduardo vanpersie

i can imagine a side like that getting level blows..

who defending in that midfield ???



better yet, the tallest player is what 5'9?

your point? best plyers are over 6ft?

so bench messi
rooney
giggs
pele
platini
maradonna
shall i go on?


My point is your side is a bunch of midgets and one demensional palyers. Look it is easy tuh pick on your side because all yuh is shite! One of these days doh all yuh will come good again. In Arsene9 we trust!

yeah d shit side handle allyuh in the emirates
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on February 27, 2009, 11:00:21 AM
Diaby is fit for the weekend

Almunia
Sanga Toure Gallas Clichy
Arshavin Diaby Denilson Nasri
RVP Bendtner?

Theo, Ade and Eduardo should be fit for Roma away

yeah thats a decent squad dey.   let's hope bendtner walks the walk (lord knows he talks the talk) and let's hope the diaby who played against roma shows up as well, the lad is good but he needs to start being more consistent.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on February 27, 2009, 11:25:00 AM
Diaby is fit for the weekend

Almunia
Sanga Toure Gallas Clichy
Arshavin Diaby Denilson Nasri
RVP Bendtner?

Theo, Ade and Eduardo should be fit for Roma away

yeah thats a decent squad dey.   let's hope bendtner walks the walk (lord knows he talks the talk) and let's hope the diaby who played against roma shows up as well, the lad is good but he needs to start being more consistent.

To be fair to Bendtner, he came out right away and denied those comments. They were taken out of context, and mis-translated out of a long interview in Danish. It's silly reporting from people like soccernet who continue to attribute those comments to him, even during their text commentary of the Roma game, after he denied the comments.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on February 27, 2009, 12:10:12 PM
can you imagine an arsenal side like this?

almunia

sagna toure gallas clichy

nasri  arshavin cesc wallcott

eduardo vanpersie

i can imagine a side like that getting level blows..

who defending in that midfield ???



better yet, the tallest player is what 5'9?

your point? best plyers are over 6ft?

so bench messi
rooney
giggs
pele
platini
maradonna
shall i go on?


My point is your side is a bunch of midgets and one demensional palyers. Look it is easy tuh pick on your side because all yuh is shite! One of these days doh all yuh will come good again. In Arsene9 we trust!

yeah d shit side handle allyuh in the emirates

Yes you did.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: WestCoast on February 28, 2009, 09:14:39 AM
wait
who de hell does FFC feel they are to be playin so well against Arseanal ;D

Go Zamora :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on February 28, 2009, 09:41:24 AM
how allyuh men could back dis side boy?

they could be leading by about 2 now if they would just frigging SHOOT DE GOVERNMENT BALL!!! :frustrated:

i does wonder if wenger does coach them men not to shoot.. steups
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: RedDevils on February 28, 2009, 12:03:07 PM
UEFA CUP next season.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on February 28, 2009, 07:15:49 PM
arsenal forever huh?

last weekend, no mention of the draw by the fans. Same thing again this week.

check back.......men just skip over the weekend to the CL. So what allyuh gone skip to now?  :devil:

arsenal forever!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 01, 2009, 04:52:04 PM
das ok it have plenty teams that willing to sell thier souls to be in our position

so ride out with yuh fas self
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: capodetutticapi on March 03, 2009, 03:01:29 PM
arsenal leadin wba 3-1 in de 53rd.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 03, 2009, 07:51:13 PM
finally and of course frigging bendtner

arshavin coming too close to scoring needs to burry them

and its official fact, Arsenal has hit the woodwork more times than any prem team this season
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on March 03, 2009, 11:08:03 PM

and its official fact, Arsenal has hit the woodwork more times than any prem team this season

      .......no hard feelings GS, but yuh really saying this to say what? Because it's also official that Chelsea have hit the back of the net more times than any prem team this season.........neither team is where they want to be in the EPL standings........ 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on March 04, 2009, 11:32:57 AM
finally and of course frigging bendtner

arshavin coming too close to scoring needs to burry them

and its official fact, Arsenal has hit the woodwork more times than any prem team this season

Arshavin is not up to pace yet, but is showing what he can do. He last played for Zenit in November so he's not 100% yet. But he should be playing 90 in the FA on Sunday, cause he won't be available for Roma.
Lets see if Theo, Ade and Eduardo are ready by this weekend.
Fab4 and Ro-sickly in 3 weeks.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kicker on March 04, 2009, 11:40:56 AM
finally and of course frigging bendtner

arshavin coming too close to scoring needs to burry them

and its official fact, Arsenal has hit the woodwork more times than any prem team this season

Arshavin is not up to pace yet, but is showing what he can do. He last played for Zenit in November so he's not 100% yet. But he should be playing 90 in the FA on Sunday, cause he won't be available for Roma.
Lets see if Theo, Ade and Eduardo are ready by this weekend.
Fab4 and Ro-sickly in 3 weeks.

Yeah he admitted to the press that he's not fit... But he has a good football brain and very good touch on the ball, so he's able to get by on 70%. 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: elan on March 04, 2009, 12:04:17 PM
Wenger lowers sights to fourth place
By Soccernet staff

 ::) ::) ::) ::)

Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger has set his sights on catching Aston Villa in the race for a Champions League place after conceding that fourth place could be the best the Gunners can hope for this season.

Arsenal ended a four-game run without a league goal with a 3-1 win at West Bromwich Albion on Tuesday night to reduce the gap to Villa to three points but their recent failings in front of goal have put pay to any lingering hopes of a title challenge.

Wenger said: "It's a strange situation. We created as many chances against West Brom as we have done in many games. We are on a long unbeaten run since the beginning of November.

"I still believe that in the few draws we had, if we'd taken those chances, we would still be in the title race.

"But now we want to focus on reducing the gap to Aston Villa and other teams and try to win our games."

But even if Arsenal don't manage to finish in fourth place Villa boss Martin O'Neill still fears the Gunners might steal his club's Champions League place by winning Europe's most prestigious competition.

According to UEFA rules, were Arsenal to win the Champions League this season they would be given automatic entry next year, even if Villa replaced them inside the top four.

"My own view, and I might be speaking against myself, is that if you won the Champions League, I believe you have the right to go and defend it the next year," O'Neill said.

"Arsenal are capable of winning the competition, the way they are going to get their players back in the next week or so. If it was a clear, definitive rule at the start of the season then I'll abide by it."

O'Neill will be doing all he can to chase down third placed Liverpool, who are six points ahead but have played one more Premier league match, despite facing "an exceptionally difficult run in" to the end of the season.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on March 04, 2009, 12:08:10 PM
Wenger lowers sights to fourth place
By Soccernet staff

 ::) ::) ::) ::)

Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger has set his sights on catching Aston Villa in the race for a Champions League place after conceding that fourth place could be the best the Gunners can hope for this season.

Arsenal ended a four-game run without a league goal with a 3-1 win at West Bromwich Albion on Tuesday night to reduce the gap to Villa to three points but their recent failings in front of goal have put pay to any lingering hopes of a title challenge.

Wenger said: "It's a strange situation. We created as many chances against West Brom as we have done in many games. We are on a long unbeaten run since the beginning of November.

"I still believe that in the few draws we had, if we'd taken those chances, we would still be in the title race.

"But now we want to focus on reducing the gap to Aston Villa and other teams and try to win our games."


But even if Arsenal don't manage to finish in fourth place Villa boss Martin O'Neill still fears the Gunners might steal his club's Champions League place by winning Europe's most prestigious competition.

According to UEFA rules, were Arsenal to win the Champions League this season they would be given automatic entry next year, even if Villa replaced them inside the top four.

"My own view, and I might be speaking against myself, is that if you won the Champions League, I believe you have the right to go and defend it the next year," O'Neill said.

"Arsenal are capable of winning the competition, the way they are going to get their players back in the next week or so. If it was a clear, definitive rule at the start of the season then I'll abide by it."

O'Neill will be doing all he can to chase down third placed Liverpool, who are six points ahead but have played one more Premier league match, despite facing "an exceptionally difficult run in" to the end of the season.



You know, I read this article and still can't figure out where he said he lowers his sights to 4th place.

I put his quotes in bold in case anyone can help
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 04, 2009, 04:27:14 PM

and its official fact, Arsenal has hit the woodwork more times than any prem team this season

      .......no hard feelings GS, but yuh really saying this to say what? Because it's also official that Chelsea have hit the back of the net more times than any prem team this season.........neither team is where they want to be in the EPL standings........ 

nope apples for apples so add another apple to my statement, in leaking goals, i am sure chelsea have allowed more goals than manu, a decent percentage of manu's 3 points came from on enil games and thats all that matters no sense scoring 3 and 5 and 7 if most of yuh games were nil nil draws

its support arguement against those who say arsenal aren't shooting enough i think the real problem is were not clinical enough to take the chances we have made
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on March 04, 2009, 04:33:55 PM

and its official fact, Arsenal has hit the woodwork more times than any prem team this season

      .......no hard feelings GS, but yuh really saying this to say what? Because it's also official that Chelsea have hit the back of the net more times than any prem team this season.........neither team is where they want to be in the EPL standings........ 

nope apples for apples so add another apple to my statement, in leaking goals, i am sure chelsea have allowed more goals than manu, a decent percentage of manu's 3 points came from on enil games and thats all that matters no sense scoring 3 and 5 and 7 if most of yuh games were nil nil draws

its support arguement against those who say arsenal aren't shooting enough i think the real problem is were not clinical enough to take the chances we have made


          Yes, Chelsea have conceded more gaols than manu, but not very many.  considering their long streak of not conceding any, Chelsea's defence ain't exactly doing to bad eithr.  I was only trying to understand exactly what the point was that you were trying to make.  Now I do.  :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 05, 2009, 02:22:22 AM
cheers :beermug:

up next burnley hope wehandle them too
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on March 05, 2009, 07:27:21 AM
cheers :beermug:

up next burnley hope wehandle them too

Burnley and Roma in 3 days ... I see Theo, Ade, Eduardo getting a run out ahead of the trip to Roma.
Not sure if Gallas or Toure is back yet.
I wouldn't be suprised to see some of Merida/Ramsey/Song/Vela ... even Gibbs and Eboue to give Clichy and Sagna a rest.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 07, 2009, 10:23:21 PM
kinda nervous about the game

thank god the games is being shown on FSC

i was beginning to freak out
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: WestCoast on March 08, 2009, 08:02:23 AM
Hecho en Mexico ;D
Carlos Vela

"1357: GOAL Arsenal 1-0 Burnley
Chris Eagles' control lets him down just beyond the halfway line and Andrey Arshavin plays in Carlos Vela. The Mexican whizzkid drops his shoulder to beat Clarke Carlisle and despite having his shirt pulled by the chasing defender, he races into the penalty area and lifts the ball over keeper Brian Jensen. Fabulous finish. "
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 08, 2009, 08:20:19 AM
VELA!!

sweet pass by arshavin, vela nutmegs one defender, rushes goal wards reaches the top of the box with two defenders and keeper hounding

what does the mexican do? cool as you like chips the keeper, that one is going on a dvd.

TnT have to watch out for this mexican come qualifiers
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: JDB on March 08, 2009, 08:28:01 AM
The boy could chip for real.

He put down This One (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uueLbIU1bmg) against Sheffield United where the ball look like a trick ball.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on March 08, 2009, 08:47:55 AM
Eduardo !!!!!!!!
Outside of the boot left foot volley from a ball chipped over everyone. What a goal from today's captain
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 08, 2009, 08:49:03 AM
to think about it AND then pull it off god i missed thi sguy in the side
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on March 08, 2009, 08:54:41 AM
Good read for you Stunner ...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/mar/08/robin-van-persie-arsenal-interview
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on March 08, 2009, 09:28:23 AM
Good game ... Song and Eboue actually played well
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 08, 2009, 09:29:13 AM
thanks

and Eboue goal is just what he needed, as much as i still think he isn't quite our class, i want all my players in confident moods
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on March 08, 2009, 09:30:40 AM
well done...great display
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 08, 2009, 09:39:31 AM
well done...great display

thank you yute! i appreciate the compliments when they are due, you guys had fun with Fulham yesterday even if Van der Sar looked like he was still waking up
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on March 09, 2009, 01:31:01 PM
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8kml7_the-arsenal-episode-1_sport

cool video
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 09, 2009, 06:17:42 PM
luve it
win loose or draw arsenal forever!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on March 09, 2009, 06:43:57 PM
more arsenal videos:

http://www.dailymotion.com/user/nvboy/1
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 10, 2009, 11:47:04 AM
lovely stuff

excited about roma tomo but weary that they have a trap set
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 11, 2009, 02:34:24 PM
f**king assholes!!!!!!

terrible goal to give afwarckinway!!!

thos emisses chances really costing us now

AND

the ref didn't call a penalty against arsenal, andit was a penalty we are fwockin playing around again

the difference? arshavin, song, eduardo too bad only two of those can be on the pitch, and what is wenger saving eduardo for? summer camp? put the frickin man on and bench bendtner
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on March 11, 2009, 04:11:06 PM
squeaky bum time
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: WestCoast on March 11, 2009, 04:11:55 PM
C'mon Arsenal

into shoot out now

R - 1 X 1 1 1 - 1 1 OVER BARS

A - X 1 1 1 1 - 1 1 1

Arsenal advance  :applause: :applause:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: FF on March 11, 2009, 04:31:38 PM
C'mon Arsenal

into shoot out now

R - 1 X 1 1 1 - 1 1

A - X 1 1 1 1 - 1 1


mamayo is all this bacchanal going on..
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on March 11, 2009, 04:32:13 PM
Yuh just know is Gallas who go miss eh
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on March 11, 2009, 04:33:49 PM
Tonetto over the bar!

Gallas' pucker is much reduced.  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on March 11, 2009, 04:35:11 PM
well played roma...but i think arsenal deserved to go through.  whew...reading about a penalty shoot out is worse than watching it.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 11, 2009, 08:17:35 PM
saddis i felt i was going to puke my heart out i was nervous


we hadda play a million miles better, we looking at chelsea liverpool bayern or villareal not nice
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 13, 2009, 01:22:16 PM
geeeeed i hope black burn tired after thie rmid week battle agianst fulham BUT we played 120 min and penalties AND traveled to rome, so the tired legs are most likely going to be us

however a fresh arshavin and song would bring a lil more spark back to the side

hoping for a nice well earned home win tomorrow! and hope villa loose and liverpool hand manu a reality check and chelsea get dubaied by man city
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: JDB on March 13, 2009, 01:47:49 PM
saddis i felt i was going to puke my heart out i was nervous


we hadda play a million miles better, we looking at chelsea liverpool bayern or villareal not nice

All teams are in play in this draw. Arsenal could get any of the seven teams.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 13, 2009, 10:08:30 PM
saddis i felt i was going to puke my heart out i was nervous


we hadda play a million miles better, we looking at chelsea liverpool bayern or villareal not nice

All teams are in play in this draw. Arsenal could get any of the seven teams.

fook
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on March 14, 2009, 10:27:42 AM
I think Bendtner need his own "should never be near a premiership team" thread.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 14, 2009, 12:39:43 PM
I think Bendtner need his own "should never be near a premiership team" thread.

ahahahaha true true

i think he have one more season then its off to the knackers for him

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 14, 2009, 12:41:32 PM
all around great performance today by everyone cept bendtner who had a good start then back to old ways

cant wait for arshvin cesc nasri walcott in mid feild

song had a solid game

subs were awesome

about a month to late to spool up the side to peak but better late than never, villa better not slip again
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on March 14, 2009, 02:19:07 PM
all around great performance today by everyone cept bendtner who had a good start then back to old ways

cant wait for arshvin cesc nasri walcott in mid feild

song had a solid game

subs were awesome

about a month to late to spool up the side to peak but better late than never, villa better not slip again

I kept waiting for the announcer to mention Song's performance and not a peep. Nasri as the playmaker is a must, he made the difference for me in the second half.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 14, 2009, 05:51:07 PM
up next hull for 6th round fa cup, still no cake walk but we should be able to get hrough especially with arshavin enjoying his football
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on March 15, 2009, 06:51:00 PM
Villa Lost.
Arsenal back to 4th place.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 15, 2009, 10:13:28 PM
thank you spurs!

now we have to win every single damn one of the next 9 league games

next three fa cup games

and next 5 champs league games
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: capodetutticapi on March 16, 2009, 07:20:51 AM
thank you spurs!

now we have to win every single damn one of the next 9 league games

next three fa cup games

and next 5 champs league games
good luck.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 16, 2009, 08:53:29 AM
thank you spurs!

now we have to win every single damn one of the next 9 league games

next three fa cup games

and next 5 champs league games
good luck.
boy need luck and 100% capitalisation on chances presented and created during each game
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 16, 2009, 07:28:15 PM
going to rename Rosicky to ALLSICKLY

the man have another month out
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 17, 2009, 08:39:16 PM
phew

job done, next up newcastle
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on March 18, 2009, 06:05:29 AM
phew

job done, next up newcastle

So Phil Brown is accusing Cesc of spitting at his assistant, and Wenger of getting his players booked? Last time I checked, blatant time wasting warrants a yellow. Does a yellow for a keeper really "turn the game on it's head"? Thats what happens when you start wasting time 13 mins into a match

They asked Brown which part of Horton's body Cesc spit at, and he said he spit at the floor. In the post match interview he said that he didn't see it but he had no reason not to believe Horton, then later he said that he was there.
What class by a manager who rants on his players on the pitch.
He goes as far as to attack the club itself "just shows you what this club is all about"
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on March 18, 2009, 06:25:16 AM
According to Pat Rice's son, who was there in the tunnel .... Horton was having a go at Cesc, who then spat out his gum (at his own feet) and told him to F**k off back to Hull.

One more comment about Phil Brown .... during the game he told Arsene to "f**k off" about 3 of 4 times. .... then complains *innocently* in post match interviews that Arsene didn't shake his hand after the game.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 18, 2009, 06:54:46 AM
Phil must be loosing it, i like the side of the story you got cus phil acting like Hull was oh so innocent.

Wenger is above all that petty low class shithong behaviour

and Gallas goal was not offisde cus it came off the keeper last

time wasting yellow card and the keeper takes the yellow card then trots off for another player to take the kick, is it far fetched to think hull were trying thier best to hold onto the lead and buy time where they could? of course

but it bit them in the ass arsenal still played better overall, at one point arsenal had completed 313 passes to hulls 171
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on March 18, 2009, 08:31:41 AM
He also complains of Wenger not shaking his hand after the game at the Emirates
Liar: http://images.rivals.net/08/09/460x238/Arsene-Wenger-and-Phil-Brown_1237515.jpg

In an interview this morning he said this about his comment about Arsenal football club "I didn't say that, did I?" He was also complaining about how Cesc was dressed? WTF? What's wrong with jeans and a leather jacket if you're not playing?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 18, 2009, 08:24:35 PM
what game dat from?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on March 19, 2009, 05:13:30 AM
That was from the game at the Emirates earlier in the season. Phil Brown complained Tuesday that Arsene didn't shake his hand at that game.
You can clearly see an Arsenal steward in the picture, which means it was at the Emirates. And this being the first year that Hull is in the EPL ....
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: saga pinto on March 19, 2009, 05:31:08 AM
Ah hope and wish that one day a warriors thread get this kinda response,amazing.......
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on March 19, 2009, 08:11:18 AM
Ah hope and wish that one day a warriors thread get this kinda response,amazing.......

If only the National team played every few days and gave their fans updates and interviews every day
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 20, 2009, 06:24:55 AM
That was from the game at the Emirates earlier in the season. Phil Brown complained Tuesday that Arsene didn't shake his hand at that game.
You can clearly see an Arsenal steward in the picture, which means it was at the Emirates. And this being the first year that Hull is in the EPL ....

they beat us at home, that coul dbe from that game where brown would enjoy shaking wengers hand
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 20, 2009, 06:26:19 AM
well we got villa, hopefully we get it right and make it to the semi's we face manu, if we get past them we need to do better than the last time we got there

but first up villareal away, game on

before that, newcastle at st james
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on March 20, 2009, 07:38:09 AM
That was from the game at the Emirates earlier in the season. Phil Brown complained Tuesday that Arsene didn't shake his hand at that game.
You can clearly see an Arsenal steward in the picture, which means it was at the Emirates. And this being the first year that Hull is in the EPL ....

they beat us at home, that coul dbe from that game where brown would enjoy shaking wengers hand

Thats what I said ... it was at the Emirates. It was just proving the point that Brown is a liar. He said they didn't shake at that game.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on March 20, 2009, 09:28:54 AM
walcott knee injury ... http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/walcott-injures-knee-in-training-session
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on March 20, 2009, 09:57:44 AM
between he and rosickly i ent know who worse.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 20, 2009, 04:38:06 PM
between he and rosickly i ent know who worse.

micheal owen
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: RedDevils on March 20, 2009, 07:43:06 PM
between he and rosickly i ent know who worse.

micheal owen


He on arsenal roster now ??
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 21, 2009, 09:06:25 AM
between he and rosickly i ent know who worse.

micheal owen


He on arsenal roster now ??
no but in terms of constant injury he's up there along with owen hargreaves and old timers jamie redknap and darren anderton
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on March 21, 2009, 12:12:15 PM
Steven Taylor is a goon! He just hit Ashavin with a forearm in the face! Before he do it yuh could see him glance tuh his left and then clinched his hand tuh stiffen his hand before he delivered the blow! Some of these men who does be doing this shit on the field woulda get dey arse cut if dey hit people like dat off the field! Oh yeah Bendtner still has no right to be near a Premier League Team!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: WestCoast on March 21, 2009, 12:14:57 PM
Steven Taylor is a goon! He just hit Ashavin with a forearm in the face! Before he do it yuh could see him glance tuh his left and then clinched his hand tuh stiffen his hand before he delivered the blow! Some of these men who does be doing this shit on the field woulda get dey arse cut if dey hit people like dat off the field! Oh yeah Bendtner still has no right to be near a Premier League Team!
yes that was very close to a RED


and HOW newcastle playin so...............very good game
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: capodetutticapi on March 21, 2009, 12:42:59 PM
gallas now get ah yellow
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on March 21, 2009, 12:49:10 PM
Yeah boy, the african dwarf strikes!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: capodetutticapi on March 21, 2009, 12:57:42 PM
arsenal playin some nice ball.3-1 in de 66th.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on March 21, 2009, 01:24:43 PM
between he and rosickly i ent know who worse.

micheal owen


He on arsenal roster now ??
no but in terms of constant injury he's up there along with owen hargreaves and old timers jamie redknap and darren anderton

Vieri was the same and Saha, Woodgate & Van Persie eh far off
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Feliziano on March 22, 2009, 07:24:24 AM
If Steven taylor wasn't injured i ent think Arsenal woulda win that game
Lawd that Colocinni is shit..and Cacapa worst yet
and they use to say Titus Shambles was bad..steups
at least he used to look real good when he have somebody capable next to him most days
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 22, 2009, 09:38:34 AM
If Steven taylor wasn't injured i ent think Arsenal woulda win that game
Lawd that Colocinni is shit..and Cacapa worst yet
and they use to say Titus Shambles was bad..steups
at least he used to look real good when he have somebody capable next to him most days

we would have won but he should have been sent off

i want a liver villa draw today

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on March 22, 2009, 10:23:14 AM
between he and rosickly i ent know who worse.

micheal owen


He on arsenal roster now ??
no but in terms of constant injury he's up there along with owen hargreaves and old timers jamie redknap and darren anderton

Vieri was the same and Saha, Woodgate & Van Persie eh far off


Add Kaka, Messi and Rooney tuh that list.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: makaveli on March 22, 2009, 01:09:51 PM
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_5085109,00.html

Wenger has a job for life
Gunners chief happy for French boss to stay indefinitely

Arsenal's new chief executive Ivan Gazidis has told manager Arsene Wenger that he has a job for life at the club.

The vastly-experienced French tactician has been at the Gunners' helm since September 1996 after replacing Bruce Rioch.

Although Wenger is under pressure to deliver silverware as the club are currently in a four-year barren run without a major trophy after lifting the FA Cup in May 2005.

However, Gazidis has no qualms with Wenger's recent record and says the 59-year-old can continue working at the club for as long as his heart desires.
Motivation

"I'd like Arsene to stay for as long as he has the motivation to do the job - and I don't see any dimming on his part," Gazidis told The People.

"He believes in the project. He's built a superb team of young players with great characters and real quality. I think that he will want to see that through.

"Arsene is one of the best managers in the world and I cannot imagine a situation where he would want to walk away from Arsenal.

"It is difficult for me to imagine him not being the manager. Arsene's identity and the identity of the club are intertwined."

what kinda statement is that....the true Arsenal fans should be very scared right now..name any other club in the world where the identity of the club and the identity of the manager is intertwined....let's say Man U..but be uh bottom dollar if Alex didn't win anything after the Glazers that over would be out of a job...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on March 22, 2009, 01:17:35 PM
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_5085109,00.html

Wenger has a job for life
Gunners chief happy for French boss to stay indefinitely

Arsenal's new chief executive Ivan Gazidis has told manager Arsene Wenger that he has a job for life at the club.

The vastly-experienced French tactician has been at the Gunners' helm since September 1996 after replacing Bruce Rioch.

Although Wenger is under pressure to deliver silverware as the club are currently in a four-year barren run without a major trophy after lifting the FA Cup in May 2005.

However, Gazidis has no qualms with Wenger's recent record and says the 59-year-old can continue working at the club for as long as his heart desires.
Motivation

"I'd like Arsene to stay for as long as he has the motivation to do the job - and I don't see any dimming on his part," Gazidis told The People.

"He believes in the project. He's built a superb team of young players with great characters and real quality. I think that he will want to see that through.

"Arsene is one of the best managers in the world and I cannot imagine a situation where he would want to walk away from Arsenal.

"It is difficult for me to imagine him not being the manager. Arsene's identity and the identity of the club are intertwined."

what kinda statement is that....the true Arsenal fans should be very scared right now..name any other club in the world where the identity of the club and the identity of the manager is intertwined....let's say Man U..but be uh bottom dollar if Alex didn't win anything after the Glazers that over would be out of a job...

Damn boy, like Arsenull was shite before Arsene9 take over. Arsenull was a big side b4 Arsene9 and will be a big side after Arsene9!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 22, 2009, 06:34:03 PM
so liverpool destroy villa

damn this season end hotting up
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 25, 2009, 05:48:50 PM
hmmmm hope no injuries during the international break, both eduardo n arshavin called up, i feel guss go let arshavin play a  full 90 to assist chelsea v arsenal fa cup semi
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 27, 2009, 11:52:50 AM
international week, ah bored :(
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on March 27, 2009, 12:33:37 PM
international week, ah bored :(

T&T playing tomorrow
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 27, 2009, 01:18:51 PM
international week, ah bored :(

T&T playing tomorrow

i know but is very likely i cyar make it! are tickets available at the ticket booth on the day of the game?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 04, 2009, 05:34:14 PM
AYE UP THE LADS

2-0 man city looked lost

bring on the villa real!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 06, 2009, 09:47:24 AM
arsenal are missing eduardo, rosicky, diaby, van persie and arshavin is ineligable

theo is fit as is nasri,

villa are without one player carzola, cygan and pires are fit to play, pires is a threat
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on April 06, 2009, 06:49:56 PM
arsenal are missing eduardo, rosicky, diaby, van persie and arshavin is ineligable

theo is fit as is nasri,

villa are without one player carzola, cygan and pires are fit to play, pires is a threat

allyuh gone boo or cheer him when he walk out?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 06, 2009, 07:44:28 PM
well seeing as the first game is in spain

he'll be cheered home and a way the man is a gunners ledgend

part of the invincibles
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 07, 2009, 11:56:30 AM
Villarreal: Lopez, Rodriguez, Godin, Capdevilla, Eguren, Cani, Ibagaza, Llorente, Angel, Senna, Rossi. Subs to follow.
Arsenal: Almunia, Sagna, Clichy, Gallas, Toure, Denilson, Song, Fabregas, Walcott, Nasri, Adebayor. Subs to follow.

team line up
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: JDB on April 07, 2009, 12:13:40 PM
After all the ole talk from Pires about getting subbed in the 2006 final...

He can't even get a start?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: freakazoid on April 07, 2009, 12:46:28 PM
villareal  looking like barca wit they first attack
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwolfman on April 07, 2009, 12:55:58 PM
Arsenal are now the second English team to trail by a goal inside the first 10 minutes of the game. Senna with a fantastic strike. Just dropped him from my fantasy team too.  :-\
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 07, 2009, 05:15:59 PM
oh gad o

adebayor chest sicssor volley keeper no chance 1-1 vital away goal see you next wednesday!

bring on Wigan
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 09, 2009, 08:12:45 AM
Arsène Wenger has revealed the true cost of Arsenal's 1-1 draw with Villarreal on Tuesday night.

The Frenchman was delighted with his team's gutsy comeback at El Madrigal but he lost three established players in the process. William Gallas is expected to miss the rest of the season after damaging medial knee ligaments, Manuel Almunia has been ruled out for three weeks with an ankle problem and Gael Clichy - who completed the game in Spain - is also out for two weeks after hurting his back.

With 60 per cent of his first-choice back five on the sidelines, Wenger will have to shuffle his pack ahead of Saturday's Premier League trip to Wigan. But the Arsenal manager could have Robin van Persie and Eduardo fit again after groin injuries.

"Gallas is a quick recoverer but we think he will be short to come back before the end of the season," said Wenger at his pre-match press conference. "It’s a big, big blow but that’s where the squad come in.
 
"I believe as well we have lost Manuel Almunia for three weeks and we lost Gael Clichy for two weeks with a back problem. We lost three players on Tuesday night so we have to once again rely on the depth in the squad - that is quite strong. As well we have to rely on our mental strength because until now we have dealt well with all our injury problems.
 
"Robin van Persie and Eduardo will have tests tomorrow morning. They might be available. And of course we have Andrey Arshavin available for Saturday."

One player who will have to wait a little longer for his comeback is Tomas Rosicky. The Czech star was rumoured to be returning for the Reserves against Tottenham this evening but he has yet to shrug off his groin injury.
 
"Tomas Rosicky, at the moment, is not close to coming back. We have to be very patient there as well," said Wenger.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on April 09, 2009, 12:31:52 PM
So for the rest of the season it's Toure and Djourou. Fabianski is also automatic choice now for 3 weeks.
But for Clichy ..... Kieran Gibbs most likely .... Silvestre with a small outside chance.
Gibbs is better than Clichy going forward and another one off the Arsenal LB production line

Saturday:

Fabianski
Sagna Toure Djourou Gibbs
Theo Cesc Denilson Nasri
Arshavin
Adebayor


Title: arsenal need a bush bath
Post by: Observer on April 11, 2009, 08:39:05 AM
Lard! Arsenal in serious trouble. Along with all the injuries and more recently Gallas. Djourou just picked up what seems to be a knee injury.  Weak defense just got weaker
Title: Re: arsenal need a bush bath
Post by: big dawg on April 11, 2009, 09:33:56 AM
1-1..

win loose or draw.. they still finishing in 4th..

eithier way.. mods yuh could take it away and merge with the arsenal forever thread..
Title: Re: arsenal need a bush bath
Post by: big dawg on April 11, 2009, 09:58:27 AM
4-1.. no bush bath required (yet)
Title: Re: arsenal need a bush bath
Post by: Observer on April 11, 2009, 09:59:57 AM
Ah talking about injuries, not score.

The mods? Tallman is a ball whore he sweating all weekend  ;D
Title: Re: arsenal need a bush bath
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 11, 2009, 10:03:56 AM
yuh know and when as a an arsenal fan i bawl injuries hampered our last few seasons ppl say i just crying

ah well good win today

very hard game at home on wednesday, hope the lads rest up well, cus two hard games in 4 days

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 11, 2009, 10:14:43 AM
yessss nice win in the end!

Johann injured, they filling up that injury room!

up next Villareal at home, going to be some work, and the chelsea game we need to man handle drogba and anelka and essien and ballack and lampard easy peasy then
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 15, 2009, 04:48:08 PM
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Big Win not too stressful players should get enough rest for saturday v Chelski

arshavin available, eduardo was on the bench along with vela ramsay and bendtner

i think wenger have a serious selection problem now, we looking thin on defensive players BUT Eboue can hold down rigth back and sagna was rested

so here's the run in for arsenal:

Sat 19th Arsenal V CHelsea FA CUP semi final

Tue 21st Liverpool v Arsenal Prem

Sun 26th Arsenal V Middlesbrough Prem

Wed 29th Manchester V Arsenal Champs

Sat 2nd Portsmouth V Arsenal Prem

Tue  5th Arsenal V Manchester CHamps

Sun 10th Arsenal V Chelsea Prem

Sun 16th Manchester V Arsenal Prem

Sat 24th Arsenal V Stoke Prem
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 18, 2009, 12:32:53 PM
shit piss f**k c**t cocksucker motherf**ker tits fart turd and twat!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on April 18, 2009, 12:34:22 PM
a bit more guts from this side and we could have won.   chlesea were not miles better today but credit to them for getting the job done.   why oh why were song, arshavin, nasri on the bench
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: D.H.W on April 18, 2009, 12:40:38 PM
 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on April 18, 2009, 12:42:26 PM
who laughs last laughs the best son...nobody was laughing hen alyuh defence went thru a shaky period
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on April 18, 2009, 01:29:20 PM
who laughs last laughs the best son...nobody was laughing hen alyuh defence went thru a shaky period

huh?
the utd haters does be hiding waiting to pounce at every opportune moment.  Man does even look to attack we for not posting during we matches.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 18, 2009, 01:30:56 PM
who laughs last laughs the best son...nobody was laughing hen alyuh defence went thru a shaky period

you tell 'em!

anyway side played shit i feel sick, like after that 3 nil cutarse usa hand TnT

liverpool are going to wreck havoc on tuesday if this performance continues
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on April 18, 2009, 01:46:31 PM
who laughs last laughs the best son...nobody was laughing hen alyuh defence went thru a shaky period

you tell 'em!

anyway side played shit i feel sick, like after that 3 nil cutarse usa hand TnT

liverpool are going to wreck havoc on tuesday if this performance continues

nah man...be positive....i feel allyuh go beat them.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: D.H.W on April 18, 2009, 03:08:59 PM
who laughs last laughs the best son...nobody was laughing hen alyuh defence went thru a shaky period

hahahaha alyuh does laugh at we , so i go laugh too, we still still #1 bitches  :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 18, 2009, 04:35:12 PM
who laughs last laughs the best son...nobody was laughing hen alyuh defence went thru a shaky period

you tell 'em!

anyway side played shit i feel sick, like after that 3 nil cutarse usa hand TnT

liverpool are going to wreck havoc on tuesday if this performance continues

nah man...be positive....i feel allyuh go beat them.
said the "dead" man to the corbeaux

you mean to say you WANT us to beat them
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 18, 2009, 06:05:23 PM
oh get up dust off regroup and face off:

Tue 21st Liverpool v Arsenal Prem

Sun 26th Arsenal V Middlesbrough Prem

Wed 29th Manchester V Arsenal Champs

Sat 2nd Portsmouth V Arsenal Prem

Tue  5th Arsenal V Manchester CHamps

Sun 10th Arsenal V Chelsea Prem

Sun 16th Manchester V Arsenal Prem

Sat 24th Arsenal V Stoke Prem
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on April 18, 2009, 07:40:17 PM
who laughs last laughs the best son...nobody was laughing hen alyuh defence went thru a shaky period

you tell 'em!

anyway side played shit i feel sick, like after that 3 nil cutarse usa hand TnT

liverpool are going to wreck havoc on tuesday if this performance continues

nah man...be positive....i feel allyuh go beat them.
said the "dead" man to the corbeaux

you mean to say you WANT us to beat them
:devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: acb on April 21, 2009, 01:11:26 PM
nobody watching Liverpool vs Arsenal or what?

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on April 21, 2009, 01:43:38 PM
With games left vs Liverpool, Man U and Chelsea, Arsenal will decide who wins the EPL.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: acb on April 21, 2009, 01:53:57 PM
With games left vs Liverpool, Man U and Chelsea, Arsenal will decide who wins the EPL.

that is correct.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on April 21, 2009, 01:59:12 PM
It look like they deciding in favour of  Man U right now.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 21, 2009, 05:23:49 PM
it has been manu's to lose for a while now

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 21, 2009, 07:37:34 PM
Sun 26th Arsenal V Middlesbrough Prem

Wed 29th Manchester V Arsenal Champs

Sat 2nd Portsmouth V Arsenal Prem

Tue  5th Arsenal V Manchester Champs

Sun 10th Arsenal V Chelsea Prem

Sun 16th Manchester V Arsenal Prem

Sat 24th Arsenal V Stoke Prem[/b

ok hope Boro don't pull a bogey on us then its ManU oh what a lovely league and game this is
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Savannah boy on April 21, 2009, 08:00:21 PM
Ah happy for Arshavin.  Big talent on a big squad.  Is too bad Arsenal could not get him on the first attempt. 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Peong on April 21, 2009, 10:50:50 PM
 Arshavin's 2nd goal  :o what a shot!


Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 22, 2009, 12:20:27 PM
Ah happy for Arshavin.  Big talent on a big squad.  Is too bad Arsenal could not get him on the first attempt. 


can you imagine what the scene would be in the league carling fa cup and champs league if we had a full squad with him running around with fabregas?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on April 23, 2009, 08:39:28 AM
Arshavin's 4 goals just rub it in .. what a stupid decision to leave him out on Saturday.
Suprisingly, Song has been in better form than Denilson recently.
Diaby is 10% hit, 90% miss

Arsene's 5 man midfield doesn't work ... if you notice in recent games when he tries 4-5-1 in the first half, we are clueless. Then he switches to 4-4-2 and they start scoring goals.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mackie on April 23, 2009, 09:38:44 AM
What do Arsenal , Porto , Benfica ,PSV , Hamburg to name a few all have in common?
They are all FEEDER clubs , creating stars that others will buy!

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on April 23, 2009, 12:08:30 PM
What do Arsenal , Porto , Benfica ,PSV , Hamburg to name a few all have in common?
They are all FEEDER clubs , creating stars that others will buy!



WOW .. thanks for the insider information. I'm not saying that Arsenal is a feeder club, but let me ask you a question ... do those clubs have supporters? Does Ajax have supporters?
Or are we not allowed to support clubs that are self sufficient?
What is your requirement? At least 700 Million in debt?

I was trying to think of a group of clubs who gained 90% of its fans jumping on a billionaire bandwagon a few years ago ... but only one come to mind
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mackie on April 23, 2009, 01:17:32 PM

WOW .. thanks for the insider information. I'm not saying that Arsenal is a feeder club, but let me ask you a question ... do those clubs have supporters? Does Ajax have supporters?
Or are we not allowed to support clubs that are self sufficient?
What is your requirement? At least 700 Million in debt?

I was trying to think of a group of clubs who gained 90% of its fans jumping on a billionaire bandwagon a few years ago ... but only one come to mind

Aye Maryland I now come back from washing my car with a red towel that has "fly emirates" on it. I beleive its the same towel you wear as a jersey on a Sunday/Saturday  but i putting it to better use.
Jokes aside , whats your point ? Really? I am saying that Arsene is following a policy that is turning a once mighty club into a feeder club with promising young stars leaving every summer. Is that being self sufficient? I thought the reason to be a football club was to win trophys ? Which answers your INANE (look it up) question as to my requirement.
What does having supporters have to do with my original comment ?
I support Man U but I respect Arsenal (not their silly supporters), and I dont like what Arsene is doing to the once mighty 2nd place rival.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 23, 2009, 06:27:42 PM

WOW .. thanks for the insider information. I'm not saying that Arsenal is a feeder club, but let me ask you a question ... do those clubs have supporters? Does Ajax have supporters?
Or are we not allowed to support clubs that are self sufficient?
What is your requirement? At least 700 Million in debt?

I was trying to think of a group of clubs who gained 90% of its fans jumping on a billionaire bandwagon a few years ago ... but only one come to mind

Aye Maryland I now come back from washing my car with a red towel that has "fly emirates" on it. I beleive its the same towel you wear as a jersey on a Sunday/Saturday  but i putting it to better use.
Jokes aside , whats your point ? Really? I am saying that Arsene is following a policy that is turning a once mighty club into a feeder club with promising young stars leaving every summer. Is that being self sufficient? I thought the reason to be a football club was to win trophys ? Which answers your INANE (look it up) question as to my requirement.
What does having supporters have to do with my original comment ?
I support Man U but I respect Arsenal (not their silly supporters), and I dont like what Arsene is doing to the once mighty 2nd place rival.

your contempt will wear off just as the small manageable debt arsenal is working with, ferguson CANNOT live forever and he is the only person who can maintain what he has built, on the flip side had manu fired ferguson when after his first year we'd only be hearing about a big 2 or three,
Wenger took a good club that had old ways of training and behaving and moulded it in to the modern football club that now is one fa cup short of manu and consistently been in the champions league.
you have a right as a manu fan to revel in its glorious acheivements but no right to rub it in the faces of others.
remember this there is another club in England that has more history and more silverware than manu and that is liverpool
every dog has thier 20years SAF is coming to the end of his i garantee there will be barren years when he is gone mark my words. btu when arsene leaves arsenal woul dbe bigger far bigger than you or i could have imagined and that my friend is his legacy so show respect to the fans that believe and trust in that policy
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on April 24, 2009, 05:22:47 AM

WOW .. thanks for the insider information. I'm not saying that Arsenal is a feeder club, but let me ask you a question ... do those clubs have supporters? Does Ajax have supporters?
Or are we not allowed to support clubs that are self sufficient?
What is your requirement? At least 700 Million in debt?

I was trying to think of a group of clubs who gained 90% of its fans jumping on a billionaire bandwagon a few years ago ... but only one come to mind

Aye Maryland I now come back from washing my car with a red towel that has "fly emirates" on it. I beleive its the same towel you wear as a jersey on a Sunday/Saturday  but i putting it to better use.
Jokes aside , whats your point ? Really? I am saying that Arsene is following a policy that is turning a once mighty club into a feeder club with promising young stars leaving every summer. Is that being self sufficient? I thought the reason to be a football club was to win trophys ? Which answers your INANE (look it up) question as to my requirement.
What does having supporters have to do with my original comment ?
I support Man U but I respect Arsenal (not their silly supporters), and I dont like what Arsene is doing to the once mighty 2nd place rival.

You didn't really say all that by saying:
"What do Arsenal , Porto , Benfica ,PSV , Hamburg to name a few all have in common?
They are all FEEDER clubs , creating stars that others will buy!"

But anyway... which promising young stars leave every summer?

Henry? Not young, and with back problems. He spent a mighty long time at the club too.
Viera? Not young. What has he done since leaving?
Gilberto?
Hleb? 27 years old, refuses to shoot the ball, he isn't really lighting it up at Barca is he?
Flamini? We wanted to keep him, he ran down his contract and left on a free
Diarra? He bitched because he was asked to play in the cups and work his way into the first team. Flamini was in form. He couldn't wait so he requested a transfer in January

Stay away from the goal.com gossip of Fabregas, Van Persie, Walcott and Adebayor leaving in the summer, and comment only if they do leave.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mackie on April 24, 2009, 06:55:40 AM

WOW .. thanks for the insider information. I'm not saying that Arsenal is a feeder club, but let me ask you a question ... do those clubs have supporters? Does Ajax have supporters?
Or are we not allowed to support clubs that are self sufficient?
What is your requirement? At least 700 Million in debt?

I was trying to think of a group of clubs who gained 90% of its fans jumping on a billionaire bandwagon a few years ago ... but only one come to mind

Aye Maryland I now come back from washing my car with a red towel that has "fly emirates" on it. I beleive its the same towel you wear as a jersey on a Sunday/Saturday  but i putting it to better use.
Jokes aside , whats your point ? Really? I am saying that Arsene is following a policy that is turning a once mighty club into a feeder club with promising young stars leaving every summer. Is that being self sufficient? I thought the reason to be a football club was to win trophys ? Which answers your INANE (look it up) question as to my requirement.
What does having supporters have to do with my original comment ?
I support Man U but I respect Arsenal (not their silly supporters), and I dont like what Arsene is doing to the once mighty 2nd place rival.

your contempt will wear off just as the small manageable debt arsenal is working with, ferguson CANNOT live forever and he is the only person who can maintain what he has built, on the flip side had manu fired ferguson when after his first year we'd only be hearing about a big 2 or three,
Wenger took a good club that had old ways of training and behaving and moulded it in to the modern football club that now is one fa cup short of manu and consistently been in the champions league.
you have a right as a manu fan to revel in its glorious acheivements but no right to rub it in the faces of others.
remember this there is another club in England that has more history and more silverware than manu and that is liverpool
every dog has thier 20years SAF is coming to the end of his i garantee there will be barren years when he is gone mark my words. btu when arsene leaves arsenal woul dbe bigger far bigger than you or i could have imagined and that my friend is his legacy so show respect to the fans that believe and trust in that policy

Like I said in my quote , I respect Arsenal . I dont think Arsene's policy of buying youth players / grooming / strict wage structure is going to deliver trophys. It may keep the club in the black but it wont bring them glory.
Aye MARYLAND , i said Arsene is TURNING the club into a feeder club, so of course we only have last year's transfers to look at . Anyhow hard luck dey on the earlier post Arsenal is a great club and i respect you as an Arsenal supporter. Bless.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 26, 2009, 01:06:45 PM
3 more points marching on

see you at old trafford on Wednesday!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on April 26, 2009, 06:59:44 PM


see you at old trafford on Wednesday!

 :bringiton:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 27, 2009, 03:08:05 PM
thats ok well tell you goodbye at the emirates
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 29, 2009, 08:10:41 PM
balls balls balls

up next portsmouth
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: takenoprisoners on May 01, 2009, 08:05:07 AM
Opta assess Arshavin impact

by David Wall , 01 May 2009
Setanta
Arsenal are red hot, scoring over three goals per Premier League game since March. In their previous 27 games, they were finding the net 1.41 times per game, too small an average to contend for the Premier League crown. One of the main reasons for that change in fortunes is that Arsene Wenger has now got four midfield maestros at his disposal. Opta investigate Arsenal’s crafty middlemen.

Andrei Arshavin, Cesc Fabregas, Samir Nasri and Theo Walcott have only played 93 minutes of league football together (in Arsenal’s last two games against Liverpool and Middlesbrough).

However, this year, when at least three of them have played together, Arsenal have scored seven goals in 315 minutes, that’s one every 35 minutes - a tasty return.

Arshavin’s arrival has given The Gunners new impetus. The Russian front man has been involved in 10 goals for the Gunners in his first nine league games (six goals, four assists). His conversion rate is good (20.7%), notably helped by his four goals against Liverpool, a match in which he only had…four shots.

Compared to his midfield counterparts, he tries his luck the most (3.2 shots per game) and is more precise at delivering wide balls into the box (31% crossing accuracy). His left side positioning does not stop him from cutting back into the midfield but his dribbling rate has room fro improvement.
Opta Stats Premier League 08/09              Arshavin Fabregas  Nasri    Walcott
Appearances                                                  9    19    27     18
Starts                                                           9    19    26    13
Minutes played                                       768        1,632 2,243    1,077
In front of goal                   
Goals                                                            6     3     6      2
Minutes per goal                                               128    544    374    538
Goals in the box                                                    4     3     4      2
Goals from outside the box                                    2     0     2      0
Shots                                                          29    32    23    30
Shots per game                                               3.22    1.68    0.85    1.67
Shots on target                                                  14    18    14    14
Shots off target                                                  15    14      9    16
% of shots on target                                   48.3%    56.2% 60.9% 46.7%
Conversion rate %                                   20.7%    9.4%    26.1% 6.7%
Distribution                   
Touches per game                                         62    102    73    40
Assists                                                          4    8    2    2
Chances created/game                                   2.67    3.37    1.67    1.11
% of successful passes                             77%    80%    88%    83%
Crossing                   
Crosses per game                                       2.9    4.0    3.2    3.3
% of successful crosses                             31%    14%    20%    17%
Dribbles                   
Dribbles per game                                       3.3    1.4    3.4    4.9
% of successful dribbles                             50%    73%    57%    53%
Defending                   
Tackles per game                                       1.9    2.7    1.8    0.9
% of tackles won                                     88%    73%    71%    82%
Interceptions per game                               1.7    2.3    1.7    0.7
His relationship with Cesc Fabregas has blossomed (see Fabregas’ opening goal against Middlesbrough last week). The Arsenal skipper will be disappointed by his goal tally (three in the league this season, including two against Boro last weekend) but he has shone at the Emirates since his return from injury earlier last month, contributing two goals and three assists in Arsenal’s last three home games in all competitions. With 102 touches per game, he is the fulcrum in the side, the one every Arsenal player looks to deliver the ball. He also remains the top architect in the final third, with 3.37 chances created per game for his team-mates this season.

The roaming nature of Fabregas’ play indicates a higher crosses per game average than his midfield partners while he also makes more tackles.

Arshavin’s arrival has coincided with a drop in Nasri’s activity up front. When it comes to distributing the ball, his eye is as good as anyone in the Premier League (88% passing accuracy) but he has not delivered an assist in the league in 2009 but has managed to score twice, both goals coming away from home (at Hull City and Newcastle). He shoots less than the other three but is more clinical when he does, converting 26% of chances while also hitting the target with nearly 61% of shots.

Walcott could learn from the Frenchman, boasting as he does a below average conversion rate (6.7%) and the lowest shooting accuracy of the four midfield maestros (46.7%). Despite whipping in over three crosses per game, he only creates 1.1 chances per game, delivering two assists all season. He isn’t afraid of trying to go past players, making on average nearly five dribbles per game.



http://www.setanta.com//uk/Articles/Football/2009/05/01/Opta-on-Arsenal/gnid-51124/
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 01, 2009, 01:50:56 PM
smells like another "injuries blighted us this year, lets see what this young side can do next year"

we need sell some shithounds and buy some seriously world class centerbacks, toure and silvestre not cutting it and as good as clichy is we need a good enough replacement, gibbs is good and clichy injury will serve him well lets hope the lad has a growth and muscle spurt in post season training.

as for eduardo and roskicy, i hope they return to off season training liek new men not the ne wsignings wenger likes to gloss it over with

arsneal needs the center backs and another keeper more experienced than fabianski
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on May 01, 2009, 05:32:17 PM
Toure real loss it boy.......
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on May 01, 2009, 05:51:01 PM
I tell yuh. Arsenal in a bad way when yuh wish Senderos was still dey.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on May 02, 2009, 07:56:38 AM
Lukasz Fabianski
Bacary Sagna
Alex Song
Johan Djourou
Emmanuel Eboue
Theo Walcott
Denilson
Aaron Ramsey
Andrey Arshavin
Nicklas Bendtner
Carlos Vela

Subs:
Vito Mannone
Amaury Bischoff
Francis Coquelin
Jay Emmanuel-Thomas
Fran Merida
Mark Randall
Emmanuel Frimpong


I hope Merida and Coquelin get some minutes.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on May 02, 2009, 11:24:10 AM
the game was decent... we get lucky on some chances and on others pompey finishing let them down but the result was never in doubt though.  ramsey looked good, as did vela, bendtner (cant believe i said that).  the makeshift back four help up well, djourou is one for the future, i much prefer him to toure, i think him and gallas is the way forward at least for the short term.   didn't see much of merida to judge, bischoff showed some nice touches, would like to see more of him.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on May 02, 2009, 11:57:18 AM
the game was decent... we get lucky on some chances and on others pompey finishing let them down but the result was never in doubt though.  ramsey looked good, as did vela, bendtner (cant believe i said that).  the makeshift back four help up well, djourou is one for the future, i much prefer him to toure, i think him and gallas is the way forward at least for the short term.   didn't see much of merida to judge, bischoff showed some nice touches, would like to see more of him.

Eboue suprise me as a makeshift LB today ... and Song wasn't bad as a CB .. he's been more impressive than Denilson recently. Since the begining of the season I felt that Toure/Djourou or Gallas/Djourou worked better than Toure/Gallas .. those two are too similar to each other and need someone like Djourou in the air so they can mop up on the ground.

Bischoff I don't like too much ... Arsene took him in the reserves on a free because he was crocked, one year contract to see what he's made of ... and since coming back and playing for the reserves him and his agent has been pimping out to clubs because he's free this summer ....I don't think he'll stay.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 02, 2009, 09:17:15 PM
song is my player of the year, taking nothing from arshavin but he came in half way through the season, song has not had a bad game all season

i see him replacing denilson in the middle next season

but what i saw today, a tweak of sorts might rattle manu enough to get a 2 or 3 goals

djourou and song in the middle against manu with sagna and gibbs/eboue

febragas nasri walcott denilson and ade with vela or rvp up front

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on May 02, 2009, 10:31:53 PM
I thought Song was poor in the first half of the season.

Arsene seems to like 4-5-1 in Europe, and we end up not creating anything, because he's playing Cesc too far up the pitch. Arsenal play best with Cesc in a deep midfield role.

Almunia
Sagna Toure Djourou Gibbs
Walcott Cesc Song Nasri
RVP Ade

If RVP isn't fit enough for Tuesday, Diaby just behind Ade ... or change it up a little with Vela



song is my player of the year, taking nothing from arshavin but he came in half way through the season, song has not had a bad game all season

i see him replacing denilson in the middle next season

but what i saw today, a tweak of sorts might rattle manu enough to get a 2 or 3 goals

djourou and song in the middle against manu with sagna and gibbs/eboue

febragas nasri walcott denilson and ade with vela or rvp up front


Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on May 02, 2009, 11:31:04 PM
I thought Song was poor in the first half of the season.

Agreed.

Arsene seems to like 4-5-1 in Europe, and we end up not creating anything, because he's playing Cesc too far up the pitch. Arsenal play best with Cesc in a deep midfield role.

The 4-5-1 has worked in the past for Arsenal. I just think the problem in the last game was using Diaby on the left. I find with a 4-5-1 you need wingers who can get forward and support the striker so when you transition to attack it becomes a 4-3-3. And I don't think Diaby is the kind of player who fits that role. I think Nasri and Diaby should have switched places in the last game. Nasri would have been better off on the left than playing in the deep central position. 

Almunia
Sagna Toure Djourou Gibbs
Walcott Cesc Song Nasri
RVP Ade

If RVP isn't fit enough for Tuesday, Diaby just behind Ade ... or change it up a little with Vela

Isn't Clichy fit for Tuesday? I wouldn't be surprised if Wenger sticks with the 4-5-1 and uses RVP on the left (like in the FA Cup Semi).

i see him replacing denilson in the middle next season

It's already happened.

Denilson looks like he has more ability though. And Diaby has the potential to displace them both. So you never know what will go on next season.

but what i saw today, a tweak of sorts might rattle manu enough to get a 2 or 3 goals
djourou and song in the middle against manu with sagna and gibbs/eboue

Clichy
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on May 04, 2009, 06:01:53 AM
I agree Denilson has more ability. I don't see Diaby as a defensive midfielder though.

For the Manc game last week ... the selection was alright but we would've been better off with Nasri on the left (instead of Daiby), Cesc with Song in the middle, and Diaby behind Ade (instead of Cesc).

That FA cup semi was a disaster. Why use RVP on the left when you have Arshavin (who you leave on the bench even though he is cup tied for he CL).

I think he will go 4-4-2 is RVP is fit. If not, do you think his experiment of Eboue on the left on Saturday shows that Arsene is thinking about Eboue as LB and Gibbs as LM ? I'd rather see Vela on the left. We need goals
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 04, 2009, 08:52:41 AM
rvp and silvestre available

i would go with song djourou center still no offense fo toure or silvestre

almunia

sagna  song djourou gibbs

walcott cesc denilson narsi

rvp ade

subs ;vela, eboue, diaby, bendtner?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on May 04, 2009, 12:41:57 PM
I think he will go 4-4-2 is RVP is fit. If not, do you think his experiment of Eboue on the left on Saturday shows that Arsene is thinking about Eboue as LB and Gibbs as LM ? I'd rather see Vela on the left. We need goals

Might have been experimenting for tomorrow.
Eboue looked good on Saturday, but Portsmouth is no Man U, and Eboue is not the most consistent.
We'll see.
I rather have Nasri on the left than Vela though.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on May 04, 2009, 05:19:34 PM
rvp and silvestre available

i would go with song djourou center still no offense fo toure or silvestre

almunia

sagna  song djourou gibbs

walcott cesc denilson narsi

rvp ade

subs ;vela, eboue, diaby, bendtner?

i real surprise at the statement djourou over kolo. kolo has been playing well and looked good versus ManU last outing.
Further more to go with an inexperienced pair as CB's who have not played significantly together is for me football suicide. For me djourou is a good for league games but makes far to many basic errors still. Still he may or will partner kolo.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on May 04, 2009, 06:38:21 PM
Kolo and Djourou in the middle. No way would he play Djourou and Song ... they played together for only one game. And that was to give King Kolo a rest. If you look at arsenal.com Wenger said Kolo would be key tomorrow. In my opinion, he hasn't been at his best since coming back from the ANC with Malaria early last year, but he's still the best we have with Gallas injured.
We need some luck tomorrow, and we need every player to turn up, unlike the first leg. Only Almunia and Gibbs showed up at the office last week.


rvp and silvestre available

i would go with song djourou center still no offense fo toure or silvestre

almunia

sagna  song djourou gibbs

walcott cesc denilson narsi

rvp ade

subs ;vela, eboue, diaby, bendtner?

i real surprise at the statement djourou over kolo. kolo has been playing well and looked good versus ManU last outing.
Further more to go with an inexperienced pair as CB's who have not played significantly together is for me football suicide. For me djourou is a good for league games but makes far to many basic errors still. Still he may or will partner kolo.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 04, 2009, 10:03:23 PM
true but i don't think song should be left out
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 05, 2009, 09:17:08 AM
COME ON LADS! GET STUCK IN!! EARN YOUR PLACE IN THE FINAL IN ROMA! :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 05, 2009, 01:43:35 PM
wtf??

gibbs???

almunia??

just give it a duckin way nah

assholes

sell all ah them i so vex
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: capodetutticapi on May 05, 2009, 01:50:01 PM
show them yuh mean business,delete this thread.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: WestCoast on May 05, 2009, 01:55:57 PM
show them yuh mean business,delete this thread.
:devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 05, 2009, 02:16:33 PM
consolation penalty
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on May 05, 2009, 02:43:43 PM
ohh ohhhhhh.....


doh study it. Dem boys will grow up one day.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Daft Trini on May 05, 2009, 02:45:59 PM
Assanal firing on all caps guns... pax pax pax!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on May 05, 2009, 03:17:29 PM
Assanal firing on all caps guns... pax pax pax!

 :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on May 05, 2009, 07:04:37 PM
(http://images.google.tt/url?source=imgres&ct=img&q=http://bp0.blogger.com/_RaOrchOImw8/SCn-KPJJ5BI/AAAAAAAAA-4/RoA9KZJq-YM/s400/sug%2Bknight.jpg&usg=AFQjCNGZnM2S3ZBhTp7ED5NTV8QD08uX3A)

YOU GOT KNOCKED  OUT

 ::)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: takenoprisoners on May 05, 2009, 08:55:00 PM
FIFA.com

Wenger to consider squad change
(AFP) Wednesday 6 May 2009

Arsene Wenger admits he will consider overhauling Arsenal's young squad after the Gunners were taught a UEFA Champions League lesson by Manchester United.

The gulf in class between Wenger's side and United looked wider than ever at the Emirates Stadium on Tuesday as the European Champions cruised to a 3-1 victory that sealed a 4-1 aggregate success in the semi-final.

While United boss Sir Alex Ferguson could afford to leave world-class talents like Paul Scholes, Ryan Giggs, Carlos Tevez and Dimitar Berbatov on the bench, injuries forced Wenger to field a team lacking the experience to cope with such a big occasion. Wenger's paucity of resources meant he selected Kieran Gibbs, a teenage midfielder, at left-back, while erratic defender Johan Djourou deputised for Mikael Silvestre at centre-back and the relatively untried Alexandre Song played in midfield.

As if that wasn't enough to make it mission impossible for Arsenal, Wenger was also let down by his more senior players. Goalkeeper Manuel Almunia was at fault for United's second goal as he allowed Cristiano Ronaldo's long-range free-kick to beat him at his near post. At the other end of the pitch, Togo striker Emmanuel Adebayor was anonymous, and Samir Nasri, Theo Walcott and Robin van Persie all struggled to make any impact.

What we do next is a hard question to answer. I'm too disappointed now. I need to take some distance with this season,
Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger.
After spending most of the season defending his decision to spurn big-money signings in favour of developing a team for the future, this chastening defeat has finally forced Wenger to admit he might make changes to that policy. "What we do next is a hard question to answer. I'm too disappointed now. I need to take some distance with this season," Wenger said.

"We have gone 21 games unbeaten in the league but in the games that mattered like the FA Cup semi-final against Chelsea and this defeat to United we didn't do enough to win and we need to think about that."

After opting against multi-million pounds bids for Aston Villa's Gareth Barry and Liverpool's Xabi Alonso earlier this season, Wenger has been left with a midfield painfully short of a holding player to partner Cesc Fabregas. Addressing that concern is only the start of Wenger's to-do list as he faces up to a fourth successive season without silverware.

Arsenal have no problem playing stylish football but if the Gunners are to recapture the form that made them invincible in 2004 they desperately need a more prolific striker and a commanding centre-back as well as that elusive midfielder. Wenger's pride ensures he will keep faith with some of his youngsters, but even he knows more experienced options are essential.

"It's easy to say experience but I'm convinced that we have the quality and we will continue to develop, if you look at the average age of the team," he said. "To reach this level, they deserve much credit but we were caught by a team who took advantage of every mistake we made.

"It's difficult. We had some experienced players in defence who were out for a long time and we had to deal with that. It's part of football. We have to stand up to it and finish the season well and respond against Chelsea on Sunday. We can't change the mistakes now."


Rating: 5.0

(Reuters)
   
http://www.fifa.com/clubworldcup/news/newsid=1055006.html?cid=rssfeed&att=


Congrats to Manu on two well taken early goals. Arsenal did not lose because of their youth, the makeshift defensive back four had it coming. It was tough for anyone  to take that early body blow and continue to play at their best.
The building process continues, just a couple solid defensive additions required, no need to panic and make wholesale changes.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 06, 2009, 12:07:39 PM
we lost to a side that makes its name on capitalising on other teams mistakes

oshea unmarked
gibbs slip
almunia misjudgement
counter attack with defense at sixes n nines

that said, we need to send these boys to boot camp and get some killer instinct
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on May 06, 2009, 01:47:51 PM
we lost to a side that makes its name on capitalising on other teams mistakes

oshea unmarked
gibbs slip
almunia misjudgement
counter attack with defense at sixes n nines

that said, we need to send these boys to boot camp and get some killer instinct

huh? what wrong with that?

PS allyuh fire arson as yet?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 06, 2009, 02:19:29 PM
we lost to a side that makes its name on capitalising on other teams mistakes

oshea unmarked
gibbs slip
almunia misjudgement
counter attack with defense at sixes n nines

that said, we need to send these boys to boot camp and get some killer instinct

huh? what wrong with that?

PS allyuh fire arson as yet?

nothing thats the bare facts

it was also a response to the reply above about the makeshift defense

although the defense was makeshift it has handled pressure before.

the buss pipe scenario came from an unfortunate event rather than manu effort

as shown by the events i listed
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on May 06, 2009, 04:03:53 PM
Cheer up Gunner at least all yuh could pose wit the trophies from the Arsenal ladies team. Now dat is one team dat know how tuh win! Maybe yuh side should join dat league, might improve dey cnances!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on May 06, 2009, 06:05:23 PM
Gunner it seems like yuh need a distraction from the loss, can you report back to the forum why Nicky Bendtner had to be led out of a nightclub with jeans fallin off and exposing himself to the world? Is that what Arsene9 is endorsing these days?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on May 06, 2009, 06:06:28 PM
Cheer up Gunner at least all yuh could pose wit the trophies from the Arsenal ladies team. Now dat is one team dat know how tuh win! Maybe yuh side should join dat league, might improve dey cnances!


   :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

  Allyuh manu people doh like nobody nuh!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Daft Trini on May 06, 2009, 06:50:57 PM
Cheer up Gunner at least all yuh could pose wit the trophies from the Arsenal ladies team. Now dat is one team dat know how tuh win! Maybe yuh side should join dat league, might improve dey cnances!


   :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

  Allyuh manu people doh like nobody nuh!

Doh worry all they have to do now is join is a "fairy" league.... I heard they are being featured in "Out" and Logo...this upcoming month  :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 07, 2009, 06:55:52 AM
Gunner it seems like yuh need a distraction from the loss, can you report back to the forum why Nicky Bendtner had to be led out of a nightclub with jeans fallin off and exposing himself to the world? Is that what Arsene9 is endorsing these days?

saddis i thought i was looking at a joke! that is embarrasing, i really want to knwo why his pants was down, probably telling chelsea scum to kiss his ass lol

but yeah thats embarrassing, i kinda miss the old arsenal bad boys like adams, wrighty, merson etc. those guys knew how to scrap
these arsenal kids are cusioned form too early, they need to get toughened up real fast
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 07, 2009, 06:57:04 AM
Cheer up Gunner at least all yuh could pose wit the trophies from the Arsenal ladies team. Now dat is one team dat know how tuh win! Maybe yuh side should join dat league, might improve dey cnances!

oh i am very proud of the arsenal ladies success
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 07, 2009, 06:58:29 AM
can some one dig up all the silverware chelsea has won since thier begining?
then compare it to liverpool manu and arsneal?

would love to get the stats on that to show these new gloryhunters that their club has small history
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Daft Trini on May 07, 2009, 06:59:21 AM
Gunner it seems like yuh need a distraction from the loss, can you report back to the forum why Nicky Bendtner had to be led out of a nightclub with jeans fallin off and exposing himself to the world? Is that what Arsene9 is endorsing these days?

saddis i thought i was looking at a joke! that is embarrasing, i really want to knwo why his pants was down, probably telling chelsea scum to kiss his ass lol

but yeah thats embarrassing, i kinda miss the old arsenal bad boys like adams, wrighty, merson etc. those guys knew how to scrap
these arsenal kids are cusioned form too early, they need to get toughened up real fast


Dude Assanal took an Olympic side and defeated some of the best in Europe... is funny how all yuh loss, but all yuh did the EPL justice...! Anyhow the American up his shareholdings so I expect to see some bigger names on the squad... at least all yuh no NUFC!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: D.H.W on May 07, 2009, 07:02:00 AM
Chelsea never was a big team and still aint
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on May 07, 2009, 08:07:47 AM
Gunner it seems like yuh need a distraction from the loss, can you report back to the forum why Nicky Bendtner had to be led out of a nightclub with jeans fallin off and exposing himself to the world? Is that what Arsene9 is endorsing these days?

careful monkey doh see their own tail.
Athletes should accept responsibility for their own action, especially on their own time.
Like yuh want reminding about "CR, Nani, Anderson with hookers". "CR accused of rape" etc etc.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on May 07, 2009, 08:44:47 AM
A 29 year old Kenyan killed himself on Tuesday after the game, wearing his Arsenal shirt.
There had to be more involved. That's pretty sad though.

And most footballers can't be arsed ... they collect their millions, pay for their hookers, and complain about no medal around their neck.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 07, 2009, 08:59:19 AM
Gunner it seems like yuh need a distraction from the loss, can you report back to the forum why Nicky Bendtner had to be led out of a nightclub with jeans fallin off and exposing himself to the world? Is that what Arsene9 is endorsing these days?

saddis i thought i was looking at a joke! that is embarrasing, i really want to knwo why his pants was down, probably telling chelsea scum to kiss his ass lol

but yeah thats embarrassing, i kinda miss the old arsenal bad boys like adams, wrighty, merson etc. those guys knew how to scrap
these arsenal kids are cusioned form too early, they need to get toughened up real fast


Dude Assanal took an Olympic side and defeated some of the best in Europe... is funny how all yuh loss, but all yuh did the EPL justice...! Anyhow the American up his shareholdings so I expect to see some bigger names on the squad... at least all yuh no NUFC!
tru dat! although i feel bad for them
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 07, 2009, 09:04:15 AM
can some one dig up all the silverware chelsea has won since thier begining?
then compare it to liverpool manu and arsneal?

would love to get the stats on that to show these new gloryhunters that their club has small history

found it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_football_clubs_in_England_by_major_honours_won (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_football_clubs_in_England_by_major_honours_won)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on May 07, 2009, 09:11:59 AM
can some one dig up all the silverware chelsea has won since thier begining?
then compare it to liverpool manu and arsneal?

would love to get the stats on that to show these new gloryhunters that their club has small history

found it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_football_clubs_in_England_by_major_honours_won (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_football_clubs_in_England_by_major_honours_won)

It doesn't really matter that much ... do people really take Chelsea "supporters" seriously?
Most of them just jumped on the Rent Boys bandwagon a few years ago .... soon Chelsea will lose 75% of them to Manchester City
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on May 08, 2009, 11:11:23 AM
Listening to Van Persie, Alumina and Adebayor etc talking about Arsenal need to match dem ambition.

Interesting to me since dem is the leaders on the team & largely responsible for success.

Interesting to know who dem talking about? I mean who dem saying not good enough

Hleb and Flamini left for similar reasons, but now dem talking about wanting out of their respective clubs? Contradiction! The difference is they have to fight for a starting position.

Alumina? If yuh ask me Arsenal need a really quality keeper. Ok Alumina has his games, but would you consider him a World Class keeper? Questionable! So he must be talking about replacing himself.

Van Persie always injured and IMHO inconsistent disappearing in big games. So far!

Adebayor had a great year last year, but all of a sudden felt he was ranked with the World Class strikers of football. His efforts this year on the field could definately be questioned. But I do believe he needs a strike partner of class.

Really its only the depth at CB that needs to be rectified (I would argue Central midfield). I for one am no fan of Gallas as a CB, but he was having a good season this year for Arsenal.

So the question is who? where?

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 08, 2009, 12:56:23 PM
Listening to Van Persie, Alumina and Adebayor etc talking about Arsenal need to match dem ambition.

Interesting to me since dem is the leaders on the team & largely responsible for success.

Interesting to know who dem talking about? I mean who dem saying not good enough

Hleb and Flamini left for similar reasons, but now dem talking about wanting out of their respective clubs? Contradiction! The difference is they have to fight for a starting position.

Alumina? If yuh ask me Arsenal need a really quality keeper. Ok Alumina has his games, but would you consider him a World Class keeper? Questionable! So he must be talking about replacing himself.

Van Persie always injured and IMHO inconsistent disappearing in big games. So far!

Adebayor had a great year last year, but all of a sudden felt he was ranked with the World Class strikers of football. His efforts this year on the field could definately be questioned. But I do believe he needs a strike partner of class.

Really its only the depth at CB that needs to be rectified (I would argue Central midfield). I for one am no fan of Gallas as a CB, but he was having a good season this year for Arsenal.

So the question is who? where?



today self wenger say no

steupse i feel wenger goes against the grain on purpose, no one is saying buy 6 players in summer

but we need some bolstering

keep investing in young stars but keep them don't let them get frustrated motivate them, look at manu reserves and benchers they come on the pitch energetic and hungry (cept berbatov)

we need that kind of effort
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on May 08, 2009, 01:54:16 PM
Listening to Van Persie, Alumina and Adebayor etc talking about Arsenal need to match dem ambition.

Interesting to me since dem is the leaders on the team & largely responsible for success.

Interesting to know who dem talking about? I mean who dem saying not good enough

Hleb and Flamini left for similar reasons, but now dem talking about wanting out of their respective clubs? Contradiction! The difference is they have to fight for a starting position.

Alumina? If yuh ask me Arsenal need a really quality keeper. Ok Alumina has his games, but would you consider him a World Class keeper? Questionable! So he must be talking about replacing himself.

Van Persie always injured and IMHO inconsistent disappearing in big games. So far!

Adebayor had a great year last year, but all of a sudden felt he was ranked with the World Class strikers of football. His efforts this year on the field could definately be questioned. But I do believe he needs a strike partner of class.

Really its only the depth at CB that needs to be rectified (I would argue Central midfield). I for one am no fan of Gallas as a CB, but he was having a good season this year for Arsenal.

So the question is who? where?



Allyuh definately need to part with Van persie and adebayor needs a pay cut.
almunia terrible at saving long range shots - i guess he probably dont get much practice with that from the arsenal boys  ???

Allyuh team need a leader who has the soul/spirit/love of the club in him. Young boys alone cyah cut it.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on May 08, 2009, 04:13:57 PM
Listening to Van Persie, Alumina and Adebayor etc talking about Arsenal need to match dem ambition.

Interesting to me since dem is the leaders on the team & largely responsible for success.

Interesting to know who dem talking about? I mean who dem saying not good enough

Hleb and Flamini left for similar reasons, but now dem talking about wanting out of their respective clubs? Contradiction! The difference is they have to fight for a starting position.

Alumina? If yuh ask me Arsenal need a really quality keeper. Ok Alumina has his games, but would you consider him a World Class keeper? Questionable! So he must be talking about replacing himself.

Van Persie always injured and IMHO inconsistent disappearing in big games. So far!

Adebayor had a great year last year, but all of a sudden felt he was ranked with the World Class strikers of football. His efforts this year on the field could definately be questioned. But I do believe he needs a strike partner of class.

Really its only the depth at CB that needs to be rectified (I would argue Central midfield). I for one am no fan of Gallas as a CB, but he was having a good season this year for Arsenal.

So the question is who? where?



Steupssss! Dem fellas an dem dos talk a good game yes. Adebayor look like all he was doing was looking for a pay raise, he get it and decide to retire for the season! Man played like lost he hunger. As much as I think Bendtner is a shitsnake at least he does try when he on the field unlike Ade. Van Persie need a bushbath, and the sad thing is he moght leave Arsenal remain injury free. How anybody could take Alminia serious with that damn blonde hair he decide to cut in a style that makes him look like he wearing a bid's arse on his head!
Arsene9 needs tuh not only add some fresh talent but might want tuh change his coaches tuh add some variety to his tactics. He must not have a lot of control at home or win a lot of battles hence he continued stubborness on the job. Poor man might be whipped at home!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 08, 2009, 08:05:42 PM
we need a blood n guts leader in the likes of keane and terry

preferably in cd
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: takenoprisoners on May 09, 2009, 04:16:05 AM


Wenger's philosophy is misinterpreted
By Joël Che on Saturday, May 9, 2009

Did you know that Arsène Wenger has bought at least eleven players over the age of 25 years in his time at Arsenal? Did you know that some of Arsenal's best ever players over the past 12 years were playing in the first team when they were only 20 to 22 years of age?

Reading about Wenger especially after the disappointment of the last few seasons, you would think that he only ever buys 18 to 20 year olds and you would think that young kids playing in the premiership never succeed.

Here are some of the older players Wenger has bought and the age at which he bought them.

Robért Píres (27), Sylvain Wiltord (26), Sol Campbell (27), Andrey Arshavin (27), Silvinho (25), Lauren (24), Hleb (24), Rosicky (26), Gallas (29), Giles Grimandi (27), Marc Overmars (24), Emmanuel Petit (27), Gilberto (26).

Look at some of the players that Wenger bought who were young at the time they signed and have done really well. You may argue about the level of success of each player, especially Reyes.

Vieira (20), Thierry Henry (22), Flamini (20), Touré (22), Reyes (21), Ljungberg (21), Ashley Cole (first team at 20), Robin van Persie (21), Adebayor (22), Flamini (21).
Looking at these stats, three thing jumps out.

First, Wenger DOES buy older players. It is a myth that he doesn't. We are not talking about the odd player here and there. There are 13 just from my own count above – it is not a huge difference from Alex Ferguson's record. But then this begs the question: why is the current team so young? I will come back to that.

Second, the players who were bought when they were older than 23 (in the first group) were certainly far more successful from a trophy point of view.

Lastly, the successful players (from a trophy point of view) in the second group, who arrived at Arsenal under the age of 23 were successful as part of a blended team. Vieira, Ljungberg , Ashley Cole and Henry played teams with Bergkamp, Píres, Campbell, Petit, Gilberto, etc.

Arsenal has not won anything with these recent very young teams although we have been at the Champions League final and semi-final, the Carling cup final and semi finals and the FA Cup semi finals. But remember that even experienced teams like Chelsea, Man United , and Liverpool teams do not win the premier league every year. It is quite natural for a good team to go two or three years in transition phases before building back up to the top. But 4 years is too long especially since not even cups have come in that time.

But at Arsenal, this is not an ordinary transition – in fact it does not have the characteristics of a transition. A transition is a process that progressively improves towards its goal. The productive life of any team lasts 3 years or even less so we cannot consider 4 years as transition. Something else has gone wrong somewhere. If this team was young 4 years ago, how can it still young today? How has a manager who has bought both experience and youth in the past ended up with such a young team?

I don't think I know the answer but I can share my views.

I remember in 2006 when Chelsea was thrashing everyone and Man Utd were left behind. Alex Ferguson complained about criticism he was receiving when Wenger was not receiving any despite being in the same situation – "Everyone keeps talking about how Arsenal are in transition but nobody talks about the fact we are also in transition". At that time, Ferguson had started the process of replacing Jaap Stam , Beckham, Keane, Giggs, Scholes, Schmeichel, Butt etc. What is notable about Ferguson's transformation was this. Nearly all the players he was trying to replace stayed at the club with a few exceptions during the transition. In fact, two of them are still there.

You also notice this pattern when the younger players at Arsenal at the time like Vieira, Henry, Cole, Lauren, and Ljungberg were going through their own transition. Most of the people they were replacing stayed around a little while before they left. Dennis Bergkamp oversaw the transition of all Arsenals' forwards for 8 years. So did Martin Keown at the back and Ray Parlour in midfield. But after that – after 2005, the Vieira generation did not stay on to help the transition. They all left. It wasn't a transition to the Fabregas generation – it was being thrown in at the deep end and Arsenal has not recovered.

But Arsenal have had 4 years to make up for it. Why haven't they?

I believe that Wenger has always known who in the reserves or the bench is going to take over and planned it in advance. And where Wenger did not have anyone ready in reserves or the bench, he went to the market and generally bought experienced players like Rosicky, Eduardo, Sagna, Hleb, Reyes, Flamini and van Persie. Remember Flamini, Reyes and RvP didn't come to Arsenal as a teenagers. They had played in their first teams for more than a year and had a history of good results.

So my view is this. Wenger has always planned a smooth transition and everything should have been going to plan. You have to admit that it is exactly in Wenger's character to plan a smooth transition but it has gone wrong for two reasons – mismanagement of players leaving and injuries.

Deco, Anelka, Giggs, Scholes, etc all earn tons of money from being on the bench. Why did Henry, Gilberto, Vieira, Píres and Sol Campbell etc not finish their careers at Arsenal? Ok that's a lot of money to put on the bench but that's what it costs. Why does Arsenal have an obsession with the resale value of players? I am no financier but it my view, great players don't cost – they pay! Why did Flamini and Hleb leave? If Ronaldo cannot leave Man United even when his exit could finance a entirely new team, why do we collect miserly pennies for players like Hleb who could be made to stay?

Reyes, Hleb, van Persie (injuries), Diaby (injuries), Senderos (too early) and Flamini are the biggest reasons why the team didn't transform in a predictable way over the past 4 years. Call me naïve but I think Reyes would have been a great player had he stayed. These are vital players that had been planned for vital positions. In Man United, nearly all those players made it. Fletcher, Wes Brown, Ronaldo, Carrick, Rooney, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Park all made it. They were all bought roughly around the same time. Their transition worked. They made it together whereas Arsenal was disrupted by unplanned departures at the last minute and Wenger looked to the youth team for replacements sometimes and bought sometimes. For the youth team replacements it was too early. For the ones we bought, they got injured.

Rosicky, Eduardo and van Persie have added to the lack of transition woe (through no fault of theirs). Their injuries put the manager in a tough situation. Buy replacement in the middle of the year or wait? Will Diaby make it? Wenger must have been thinking answers like: I cannot find out this because he is injured or I think he will be fit soon so I will not buy another player. They will be back next year. But next year, someone else left and yet another new player comes into the team and we are back to 2005 again.

One can begrudge Arsenal for the way players have left Arsenal while under contract when they could have enforced the contract and maybe persuaded them the next year to sign on. One can begrudge Arsenal for allowing contracts to run down or for insisting on one year contracts over a certain age. But that is only part of the problem. It is hard not to feel sympathy for Arsenal for the damage that injuries have caused to any long-term planning. Nobody can really be sure how good RvP , Rosicky or Eduardo (or even Diaby) really are. We have barely seen them.

How do you plan for next season? Do you assume that Diaby is going to continue to be crap at releasing balls early and not conceding free kicks around our box or do you assume that this was his first real season and he will grow like Vieira after his first season? Do you assume that Eduardo and van Persie will be fit for more than a third of the season? Do you assume Rosicky will be able to play as well as he used to after being out for nearly 18 months?

If Arsenal is to go forward, they must assume the answers to those questions are NO. If anything else happens it will be a huge bonus. Last time we assumed the answers would be YES and see what happened.

Final thoughts.

People claim that Arshavin was bought by the new CEO. Myself, that theory is either for insiders who know what really happened or are angry at Wenger. Wenger spoke about Arshavin a lot in the summer. When he knew Rosicky was not coming back and Cesc was injured for 4 months, he bought Arshavin in January. He has bought older players before so to me, this is consistent behaviour.

Wenger claims that buying experienced players will destroy younger players. I think that actually quite the opposite. It will improve younger players and it will make one mighty difference which is this. It will make sure that Arsenal wins trophies so that older players can choose to stay and retire at the club and younger players like Flamini and Reyes would be patient and wait their time instead of running off. Trophies and success does that and as we have just seen, it makes all the difference with transition periods. Hleb may end up with a Champions league medal that he did nothing to win. Players at Man United, AC Milan, Real Madrid etc will sit on the bench to retire or wait their turn. But that is worth it for them because they will get medals they rarely played for. Players should think it is worth sitting on the Arsenal bench.

http://arsenal-mania.com/articles/3106819/Wengers-philosophy-is-misinterpreted.html
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on May 09, 2009, 07:24:24 AM
Interesting article.
I also think it's interesting that Wenger always complains about the players who leave early, but never stops them from leaving. I think Sir Alex would bury you on the bench for a year before letting you go, just to make the point.

I also think the injuries have been far more devastating than anything else. The key is to find the balance to weather the storms.

Wenger is clearly following a plan of blooding young players in the domestic cups and pushing for the Champion's league and the EPL. He's going to have to reverse that philosophy in the FA or Carling cup in order to get the detractors off his back. 

Maybe everyone shows up healthy next season and they go on a jaw-dropping tear. They certainly have the talent and despite the impressions, have a good mix of experience and youth.

This is all relative of course. Expectations. As a business, Arsenal might be the best managed club in the EPL, one trophy would make all the difference in the world. The likes of Man City and Aston Villa would love to be in Arsenal's shoes.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: takenoprisoners on May 09, 2009, 09:27:16 AM
Maybe everyone shows up healthy next season and they go on a jaw-dropping tear. They certainly have the talent and despite the impressions, have a good mix of experience and youth.
 As a business, Arsenal might be the best managed club in the EPL, one trophy would make all the difference in the world.
:beermug:
Agree with the above. Arsenal needs two hard-nosed central defenders, Diaby, Song and Denilson can continue to compete for the holding position allowing Fabregas and company to focus on scoring goals.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on May 09, 2009, 10:07:47 AM
Arsenal problem over the last three years has been goal scoring distribution. When they had Henry, Pires, Lungberg, Wiltord, Dennis B. All these players contributed to the scoring table. In the last 2-3 years they did not get the same contribution from players like Hleb, Eboue etc. Lets not forget Rosiky who is a quality player along with Eduardo have been out for a year or more. No doubt both can tuck them away. Now they have Archavin and Nasri who once completely settled can add to the scoring.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 09, 2009, 12:37:05 PM
all valid points

manu has had injuries and still scraped wins

arsenal needs a blood n guts, a battler a captain arsenal

a new Mr Arsenal
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on May 10, 2009, 09:42:29 AM
Allyuh see what ah talking about. Arsenal in the first 16 minutes should have been up three nothing. Walcott, Song, Diaby and Nasri all had good chances and did not even hit the target. Chelsea get three chances score 2 (so far)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 10, 2009, 09:47:56 AM
fok! why fabianski??????
christ man! 

positive note gibbs playing well nice bounce back kid

arsenal not converting their chances is down to cech
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on May 10, 2009, 10:01:25 AM
fok! why fabianski??????
christ man! 

positive note gibbs playing well nice bounce back kid

arsenal not converting their chances is down to cech

down to cech, and down to walcott being a chrow-way child..
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 10, 2009, 10:16:06 AM
conts
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on May 10, 2009, 11:25:38 AM
roll with the punches lads.   let's just get to summer and see if we get one or two quality signings whilst holding on to the good players.  let's not forget with a fit rosicky, eduardo, clichy, gallas the side will look very different.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 10, 2009, 04:33:50 PM
the worst part

we had more chances than they did
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Andre on May 11, 2009, 01:45:56 PM
what an embarassment.

if arshavin was there, things woulda be different.

anyhow, supposedlty AA now vex.

'Baffled' Arshavin hits out at Wenger as troubles mount for the Gunners

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Last updated at 4:45 PM on 11th May 2009
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Arsenal's woes deepened today when Andrey Arshavin hit out at Arsene Wenger for playing him out of position.

The Gunners are reeling after embarrassing home defeats to arch rivals Manchester United and Chelsea in the past week.

Wenger's men are now resigned to finishing without a trophy for the fourth consecutive season.
 

Wrong position: Andrey Arshavin is unhappy on the left wing

And Arshavin has added to his manager's troubles by telling Russian media he has been left 'baffled' with being forced to operate on the left wing.

'My personal plan for my initial three months with Arsenal wasn't about scoring a certain number of goals or making a set number of assists,' said Arshavin, who arrived in January in a £15million deal from Zenit St Petersburg.


'I wanted to get the feeling whether I can play in England or not. Sometimes I feel that I can but other times that I don't. It's probably because that I play as a left midfielder.

'I still can't get used to the idea that I'm capable of playing on the left of midfield - and frankly having to do it keeps me baffled.

'I don't understand if it's only because God is taking care of me, or I really can play so well as a left-winger.'

Arshavin has also indicated who he would like to be replaced by in his position  - CSKA Moscow star Yuri Zhyrkov, who is expected to receive an offer from Chelsea in the summer.

'Yes, I know Yuri well,' he added. 'But problem is would he like to move to Arsenal?'

Arshavin missed Arsenal's shock 4-1 loss against Chelsea yesterday with flu but he expects to fully recover ahead of Saturday's daunting trip to Manchester United.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on May 11, 2009, 04:14:31 PM
roll with the punches lads.   let's just get to summer and see if we get one or two quality signings whilst holding on to the good players.  let's not forget with a fit rosicky, eduardo, clichy, gallas the side will look very different.

somehow i get the feeling that I've heard this line before.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: trinihenry on May 11, 2009, 06:03:03 PM
HOPE............without it society will be thrown into total chaos.....Football gives people hope...That why we love da game.....There is always next year...keep heads up Arsenal supporters...:-)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: breezers on May 11, 2009, 06:13:34 PM
HOPE............without it society will be thrown into total chaos.....Football gives people hope...That why we love da game.....There is always next year...keep heads up Arsenal supporters...:-)

 :rotfl: the year after that and the year after dat  :rotfl:

Arsenal need to spend some money on some tested players who could consistently carry d team when d goin gets tuff....
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Touches on May 11, 2009, 06:19:25 PM
Until Arsenal buy some steel and a good finisher who could stay fit we ent going a place.

Almunia had a few good games near the end of the season but for the most part he let in some good filth too.

I say get a better keeper, a good center back and a bruiser in the middle with skill. Song gettin better but he ent world class.

Van Persie is wet kite paper...flimsy for so and Adebayor while decent..I cyar handle all the attidude and feel he is d shit when he strike rate tepid.

Finally bendtner...oh he young he young..give him time...steups...bendtner is shit, with a capital S and a touch like a wall.

The difference between arsenal and the top 3 is that the others have a "world class" player in all areas of the field. Also the sub is world class as well and when it comes down to injury or form each team has players to choose from.

Arsenal small men ent ready...the hard luck ting have to stop...we have to buy some men who in they prime, milk them for a 2-3 years and then sell them off.

The grooming of small men does backfire as they does leave when they get a better offer elsewhere.

Lastly...Arsenal physio is the England physio...but that man just cyar keep players fit and the injuries arsenal players have just mindboggling at times...Rosicky have a thigh injury for a season? Van persie should be called sicknote..he giving owen competition.

Also too if diarra or flamini didnt leave Arsenal woulda be in a good position. I ent mind Hleb leaving as he had no end product but he was entertaining.

Wenger hadda get some real ballers and at least about 4-5 of them. Until that we will always be hoping for something.

No steel = No trophies



Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on May 11, 2009, 07:21:01 PM
HOPE............without it society will be thrown into total chaos.....Football gives people hope...That why we love da game.....There is always next year...keep heads up Arsenal supporters...:-)

 :rotfl: the year after that and the year after dat  :rotfl:

Arsenal need to spend some money on some tested players who could consistently carry d team when d goin gets tuff....


or they could be like Chelski 780 million pounds in debt and achieve the same.  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on May 12, 2009, 07:52:48 AM
1. Wenger put Song, Nasri and Fabregas in the center against Lampard, Essien and Mikel - I knew that was trouble from the time I see that line up. No physical presence! How can you play with five in the midfield and your midfield still looking thin! The midfield needs balance and strength. They look good going forward in the opening stages, but other than Song the entire midfield is non-existent defensively. IMO Arsenal defenders not as bad as they look, is the midfield setting them up most of the time by leaving them exposed. (Chelsea second goal was the perfect example. Watch how Nasri just escort Anelka right through the midfield.)

2. No matter what people say, IMO injuries hurting Arsenal more than anything else. Even if they can do with more depth, I don't think any of the other big teams have suffered as many injuries as Arsenal. Any team missing their "equivalent" of Van Persie, Eduardo, Rosicky, Gallas, Clichy, Fabregas etc. for as long as Arsenal missed those players this season would have a hard time. What to do about that? I don't know. (Fed up of that excuse.)

3. For next season, Arsenal needs a bush bath and a couple Mascherano type midfielders. The midfield lacking strength, aggression and defensive qualities. (Arshavin looking like he's Arsenal's hardest toughest midfielder at the moment  :-\)


arsenal not converting their chances is down to cech

Cech make them shoot off target  ??? ??? The finishing was poor. Walcott especially.


Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 12, 2009, 08:51:52 AM
ONE positive i am seeing on the web site
is thehonesty in which the players are expressing thier concerns abou tthe season and are ready to accpet change by taking an inward  look finding our weaknesses and dealing with it
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: trinihenry on May 12, 2009, 10:25:22 AM
Until Arsenal buy some steel and a good finisher who could stay fit we ent going a place.

Almunia had a few good games near the end of the season but for the most part he let in some good filth too.

I say get a better keeper, a good center back and a bruiser in the middle with skill. Song gettin better but he ent world class.

Van Persie is wet kite paper...flimsy for so and Adebayor while decent..I cyar handle all the attidude and feel he is d shit when he strike rate tepid.

Finally bendtner...oh he young he young..give him time...steups...bendtner is shit, with a capital S and a touch like a wall.

The difference between arsenal and the top 3 is that the others have a "world class" player in all areas of the field. Also the sub is world class as well and when it comes down to injury or form each team has players to choose from.

Arsenal small men ent ready...the hard luck ting have to stop...we have to buy some men who in they prime, milk them for a 2-3 years and then sell them off.

The grooming of small men does backfire as they does leave when they get a better offer elsewhere.

Lastly...Arsenal physio is the England physio...but that man just cyar keep players fit and the injuries arsenal players have just mindboggling at times...Rosicky have a thigh injury for a season? Van persie should be called sicknote..he giving owen competition.

Also too if diarra or flamini didnt leave Arsenal woulda be in a good position. I ent mind Hleb leaving as he had no end product but he was entertaining.

Wenger hadda get some real ballers and at least about 4-5 of them. Until that we will always be hoping for something.

No steel = No trophies




Look at it this way, Even if you include a meaning less beating at the hands of chelsea over the weekend, arsenals record against Englands so called elite is second to none. If the league was based on head to head match-ups against da top four, we would be sitting ontop.

Its the stokes and Hulls of the league that we continue to stumble against, This shows that there is enough quality to win trophies, we just gotta have tht killer instinct. Killer instinct has nothing to do with physical abilities, its purely mental. Boo teams are no longer intimidated by arsenal because they have gotten success against in recent times. When you play a team like stoke they should be defeated before the enter da pitch.

All this talk about needing better players, the only position I see that could be upgraded is the defensive midfielder position. There are a lot of quality defensive midfielders out there, steel in midfield is not hard to find. When it comes to other areas we got to face reality, our defense contains two of the best wingbacks in world football, sagna and clichy, combined with two solid center halfs, toure and gallas. where can u find an upgrade, make suggestions. Top class center backs are hard to come by and clubs who have them arent willing to let them go, not for all da money in the world. To say arsenal need attacking prowess is a joke cu they always gonna create chances, always gonna score goals, any decent finisher can end up with 20 goals a season easy. They say almunia is shyt, but who you could sign out there that better than him. If you bringing in men they must upgrade your team, and frankly I only see  signing a world-class defensive midfielder as being a benefit to da team.

I know this sounding old, but with every passing season the team get more and more experience, is only a matter of time.........Cool nah man...trophies soon come
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on May 12, 2009, 10:59:32 AM
They really just need some solid centre backs and a solid, experienced central midfielder.. Song improving but still not the finished product yet. Gallas and Toure are a good combo but not world class and also need competition for their places..

Goalscoring is not a problem for them. They have more than enough attackers in that squad to get the job done. Adebayor, Bendtner for power/holdup, Van Persie, Arshavin for 2nd striker/creativity, then any of eduardo, walcott, vela, Rosicky, Nasri that gives them depth up front and on the wings..  This team will always score goals and have more than enough nippy, skillful small men.

I know i've said this before but if they keep the squad together over the summer, I feel they will be a force to reckon with next season.. They really weren't that bad but were hurt in the last month by the lack of depth in defence that have them depending on a shitong like Silvestre.

The problem is that yuh need horses for courses..

Against Chelsea and Manchester United, it was a straight case of men against boys. For all their possesion, creativity and attractiveness, they never looked like they were in control of the game. Thats down to inexperience and a lack of steel.

If I could go so far as suggest signings that would make a difference, I would say they should target players of the calibre of Marcos Senna, Gennaro Gattuso, Mamadou Diarra for CDM.. Maybe men like Jagielka, Lucio, Phillipe Mexes, Daniel Agger for central defence.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Touches on May 12, 2009, 11:14:41 AM
Alyuh read this

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/8043557.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/8043557.stm)


Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 12, 2009, 01:08:59 PM
yeah what dixon saying is true

arsenal do not have a "back bone" a main core of the team

old core seaman, adams, brady, smith

seaman adams viera anelka

seaman campbel viera thierry

lehman campbel viera thierry

today??

almunia toure?? song/denilson?? ade

i didnt mention the creative midfielders, i am dealing with the backbone of the side, liek dixon said viera wasn't a passing specialist but he relieved pressure on the backs and allowed the rest of mid feild and forward to link well


Title: Hope for Arsenal: Premier League plans quota system
Post by: Bourbon on May 12, 2009, 09:48:03 PM
Premier League plans quota system to increase number of 'home-grown' players

 Link (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/5314641/Premier-League-plans-quota-system-to-increase-number-of-home-grown-players.html)

Premier League clubs could receive financial rewards for nurturing English talent and may adopt a quota system ensuring that a minimum number of "home-grown" players feature in squads from next year.
 
By Paul Kelso, Chief Sports Reporter
Last Updated: 8:43PM BST 12 May 2009

 
The measures, intended to boost the number of domestic players featuring in Premier League first teams and ultimately further the cause of the England team, have been produced in response to pressure from culture secretary Andy Burnham.

On Monday the League announced new financial regulations in response to Burnham's concerns over the game's relationship with money, and on Tuesday chief executive Richard Scudamore unveiled further moves intended to meet his demands on youth development.

(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01401/richard_scudamore_1401742c.jpg)

 White paper: Premier League cheif executive Richard Scudamore intends to require clubs to produce local players in order to improve the chances of the national side Photo: GETTY IMAGES

The clubs will also be asked to agree to a quota system based on models used by Uefa and the Football League. The Uefa model requires eight of a squad of 25 to be 'locally produced', with at least four being trained at the club for at least three years between the ages of 16-21. The Football League model specifies that four members of each match-day squad of 16 have to be locally produced on the same terms.

Neither measure guarantees that the players make the first team, nor that clubs will produce more English players. European labour law proscribes that Arsenal's Spanish captain, Cesc Fabregas, is classed as locally produced in the same way as Islington-born team-mate Jack Wilshere.

In the past, the Premier League's view has been that quotas were little more than window dressing but a combination of pragmatism, political pressure and evidence has changed that view.

"We are not protectionist and we do not want artificial limits on who can come in. What we do want is to raise standards so that the English talent emerges and negates the need for clubs to bring in foreign talent," Scudamore said. "But I am a pragmatist, and the quotas have clearly not hurt our teams in the Champions League; in fact we have had our most successful run in the competition since they came in."

Scudamore's explanation is instructive. The free-market principles that underpin his stewardship of the League remain, but they are not inviolate in the face of changing political weather. It is an approach that has informed the League's entire response to Burnham, who wrote to the football authorities in October posing questions about competitive balance, debt, home-grown players and financial regulation.

There was a time when Scudamore's private answer would have been unprintable, but a combination of Burnham's standing in the game, a recognition of the changing public mood and a strategic eye on future battles has led to a more conciliatory, if typically dexterous response.

The League's reforms, though welcome, address Burnham's areas of concern without threatening the business model that has driven the League to its heights.

Just as telling is what the League's response does not do. Burnham's intervention was motivated by his belief that football needs to reassess its relationship with money. That is a view rejected by the Premier League and the philosophical divide over football's existential question remains. For that Scudamore is unapologetic.

"Philosophically, there is a gap between us, but I look at the evidence," he said. "I look at attendances, I look at the success of the England team… I look at the interest in English football, and I look at the quality of football that is played. It is better than it has ever been in my lifetime, so I cannot sign up to the idea that things are not better than they have ever been."

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on May 13, 2009, 07:42:18 AM
Alyuh read this

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/8043557.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/8043557.stm)

Isn't that the same thing I was saying ... ? No protection from the midfield

1. Wenger put Song, Nasri and Fabregas in the center against Lampard, Essien and Mikel - I knew that was trouble from the time I see that line up. No physical presence! How can you play with five in the midfield and your midfield still looking thin! The midfield needs balance and strength. They look good going forward in the opening stages, but other than Song the entire midfield is non-existent defensively. IMO Arsenal defenders not as bad as they look, is the midfield setting them up most of the time by leaving them exposed. (Chelsea second goal was the perfect example. Watch how Nasri just escort Anelka right through the midfield.)

3. For next season, Arsenal needs a bush bath and a couple Mascherano type midfielders. The midfield lacking strength, aggression and defensive qualities. (Arshavin looking like he's Arsenal's hardest toughest midfielder at the moment  :-\)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on May 13, 2009, 08:07:35 AM
1. Wenger put Song, Nasri and Fabregas in the center against Lampard, Essien and Mikel - I knew that was trouble from the time I see that line up. No physical presence! How can you play with five in the midfield and your midfield still looking thin! The midfield needs balance and strength. They look good going forward in the opening stages, but other than Song the entire midfield is non-existent defensively. IMO Arsenal defenders not as bad as they look, is the midfield setting them up most of the time by leaving them exposed. (Chelsea second goal was the perfect example. Watch how Nasri just escort Anelka right through the midfield.)

2. No matter what people say, IMO injuries hurting Arsenal more than anything else. Even if they can do with more depth, I don't think any of the other big teams have suffered as many injuries as Arsenal. Any team missing their "equivalent" of Van Persie, Eduardo, Rosicky, Gallas, Clichy, Fabregas etc. for as long as Arsenal missed those players this season would have a hard time. What to do about that? I don't know. (Fed up of that excuse.)

3. For next season, Arsenal needs a bush bath and a couple Mascherano type midfielders. The midfield lacking strength, aggression and defensive qualities. (Arshavin looking like he's Arsenal's hardest toughest midfielder at the moment  :-\)


arsenal not converting their chances is down to cech

Cech make them shoot off target  ??? ??? The finishing was poor. Walcott especially.




As a response to #2....The problem is the strength and conditioning staff along with the medical staff/physio. The players are not strong enough and they lack the conditioning to make up for it with workrate a la Flamini. It's obvious as the one player with natural strength, Song, has been the only one to thrive throughout this season.

Not only do we need some players with more experience but we also need our players to be better prepared physically. You can't win just on skill and guile, especially given the number of competitions we enter. Chelsea is the best example. They virtually play the same starting team in all competitions, with few changes here or there. We don't have one player, like Lampard can last the entire season.

Touches, the England physio is the former Arsenal physio. Capello forced him to give up sharing duties. His replacement at Arsenal is his nephew I believe.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 13, 2009, 09:47:26 AM
i think arsneal should bring in tony adams as defensive manager
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: TRUwarrior on May 13, 2009, 09:57:22 AM
This Sums Up Wenger LOL shit coach :devil:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IATpMoL-kQc
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Marcos on May 13, 2009, 10:46:58 AM
Arsenal is mentally weak. They have players any of the lower tier clubs would kill for.
They just don't know how to win ugly and pull out the hard games a la Man U.
Iz not every game you gonna play pretty football.
You have to have the mental strength to grind it out. That starts with an effective leader on the field.

I mean I love Arshavin, but there is no way he should be the captain after such a short spell with the team. That just highlights the lack of leadership.

But Arshavin, Walcott, Ade, Van Persie, Fabregas, Nasri, Rosicky, Bendtner, Vela and Fabregas should be a best attack in the world.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 13, 2009, 07:26:21 PM
see what happens in summer yes
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: takenoprisoners on May 14, 2009, 04:20:39 PM
Angry Arsenal manager
Arsene Wenger is fuming as dismayed fans get the knives out
By SIMON CASS Last updated at 10:40 PM on 14th May 2009


Arsene Wenger took a fresh swipe at Arsenal's negative fans after shareholders attacked him for yet another season without silverware.

The Frenchman was forced into an impassioned defence of both his record and his players during a stormy question-and-answer session in which defender Mikael Silvestre was branded a 'geriatric'.

Wenger, insisting a run of 21 games unbeaten proved his team's spirit, said: 'We have a young team and we need the supporters to be supportive.


Impassioned defence: Fuming Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger was forced to defend his barren four year trophy spell during a stormy question and answer session

It is easy to sit in the stand and say that they are not up for the fight.

 
 'What they have done in this negative environment shows what they can do, it shows they can stand up to their responsibilities.'

Turning on the shareholder who claimed Silvestre was past it, Wenger hit back saying: 'I cannot accept what you say about our players. Are you a shareholder? I cannot accept that you speak about the players of your club like that. I don't agree with the terms you use.'


For sale: Uncertainty clouds Adebayor's Emirates future, with several clubs circling the striker

Accusations about Emmanuel Adebayor and Emmanuel Eboue's record of diving were met with rounds of applause while the prospect of the Togo striker leaving in the summer was greeted with cheers of 'hear, hear' from some.

Having said earlier in the day that he would have no problem doing business with other top clubs - including Chelsea - if they came in for Adebayor, Wenger stood up for the striker.

'Adebayor has done fantastically well for the club,' he said.

'All the big clubs wanted him last summer and it will be the same again this summer. Some players have bad periods.

'If they don't do well it is because they have lost confidence. But the only way to help a guy who has lost confidence is to support him. Slaughtering him it does not help him.

'One day you will look back at this period and say it is not disastrous. I am not pretentious enough to think I do not make mistakes. But you have to give me one credit.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1181836/Wengers-fuming-dismayed-Arsenal-fans-knives-out.html?ITO=1490
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 15, 2009, 01:47:00 PM
come on you GOONERS

luck be on our side cus were going to need all of it tomorrow!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Feliziano on May 15, 2009, 07:30:51 PM
yeah what dixon saying is true

arsenal do not have a "back bone" a main core of the team

old core seaman, adams, brady, smith

Gunner..Brady was bout 10 years before Adams and crew  ;)
mid 80's i would say woulda been Lukic, Oleary, Perry Groves and Charlie Nicholas
yes I used to be an Arsenal fan until Wenger get rid of all the English players..that is why they can't win ugly now
them fellas these days just have no stomach to go play a match on a 2nd Division pitch and grind out a result on a cold rainy night

btw..allyuh try and do something special tomorrow nah  :-*
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 15, 2009, 07:41:21 PM
yeah what dixon saying is true

arsenal do not have a "back bone" a main core of the team

old core seaman, adams, brady, smith

Gunner..Brady was bout 10 years before Adams and crew  ;)
mid 80's i would say woulda been Lukic, Oleary, Perry Groves and Charlie Nicholas
yes I used to be an Arsenal fan until Wenger get rid of all the English players..that is why they can't win ugly now
them fellas these days just have no stomach to go play a match on a 2nd Division pitch and grind out a result on a cold rainy night

btw..allyuh try and do something special tomorrow nah  :-*
i suppose since we live in a free world you can change your team you support but thats still lame in my book

i do agree i miss the good ole arsenal days of boozy adams and gambling merse, but wenger whipped the old boys into shap and got more years out of them, some thing during that time must have made him decide against longer contracts to older players

as for tomorrow to ass with liverpool fans even if we do beat manchester at ole trafford they play hull and i guarantee fergie not losing that one with the title on the line
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: elan on May 16, 2009, 01:43:48 PM
One thing, one thing you all was asked to do and you could not do it......stueps.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 16, 2009, 07:25:35 PM
One thing, one thing you all was asked to do and you could not do it......stueps.
nor could you guys lol
chokers
4-4 at home
tores on the bench and losing games early in the season yeah way to challenge for the title rafa
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: makaveli on May 17, 2009, 01:25:04 AM
Arsenal is mentally weak. They have players any of the lower tier clubs would kill for.
They just don't know how to win ugly and pull out the hard games a la Man U.
Iz not every game you gonna play pretty football.
You have to have the mental strength to grind it out. That starts with an effective leader on the field.

I mean I love Arshavin, but there is no way he should be the captain after such a short spell with the team. That just highlights the lack of leadership.

But Arshavin, Walcott, Ade, Van Persie, Fabregas, Nasri, Rosicky, Bendtner, Vela and Fabregas should be a best attack in the world.

 ???
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 17, 2009, 07:05:11 AM
Saddis i hate the effin reporters in london

they rail arsenal all the time about buying which is true and proven because of results

THEN they go and start talk that arsenal only have 13 mil to buy WTF??

they have no proof, arsenal ONLY makes statements through their regular channels

buy printing such shit it scares possible targets further away, Wenger stated it and its true as soon as a club/manager hears arsenal is interested (any bog club) the price doubles

i'll be amazed to see what Wenger pulls out of the hat this summer
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on May 17, 2009, 07:15:59 AM
Arsenal have quality that is for sure. After November they only lost one game and that was to ManU in the CL semi. Then it ws a matter of falling apart followed with the loss to Chelsea. Arsenal started shakey early season and everyone said they would not finish in the top 5. They went to the CL semi final & FA semifinal and all playing good football. Ok Arsenal need some depth, but more importantly they have to stay injury free. I don't think they are that far off.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 17, 2009, 07:06:45 PM
if we made semi-finals the last fours years sure
but we want to be in the finals
and win it
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 19, 2009, 08:35:48 AM
i see a totally young side at home on sunday against stoke
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on May 20, 2009, 06:57:12 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/football_focus/8053447.stm

BBC video:
Arsenal striker Emmanuel Adebayor says Gunners fans are wrong to vent their frustrations at him and his team-mates despite a fourth trophyless season.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: takenoprisoners on May 20, 2009, 03:45:34 PM
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/05/20/article-0-0506B1D6000005DC-827_468x799.jpg)

Walcott models Arsenal's new away kit.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bourbon on May 20, 2009, 04:57:27 PM
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/05/20/article-0-0506B1D6000005DC-827_468x799.jpg)

Walcott models Arsenal's new away kit.

Nice..when de adult sizes go be out?  :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 20, 2009, 05:53:53 PM
haha hehe hoho
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 22, 2009, 02:22:45 PM
can't wait for sunday see what the babies can produce.

plus alot of other interesting games to be seen

sunday on my couch i say
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 24, 2009, 01:27:07 AM
roumor mills starting

ade to city

arsenal in for alonso
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 24, 2009, 11:22:48 AM
RAAAAAA

4-1 to the Arsenal!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: makaveli on May 24, 2009, 02:49:02 PM
roumor mills starting

ade to city

arsenal in for alonso

Benetez say Alonso not goin anywhere ..even if we was...Real quicker get him..
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 24, 2009, 06:32:05 PM
just saying what the mills churning out

i don't believe anything till i see them on the arsenal website
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 25, 2009, 11:57:50 AM
?????????
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on May 27, 2009, 05:35:01 AM
The youths do the double. Winning the FA cup last night 6-1 on agg vs Liverpool.

A "Thomas" lifted the cup at Anfield, exactly 20 years since another one scored in injury time to win the league right there. It funny that this year's away kit was a tribute to the 1989 team.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 27, 2009, 11:09:08 AM
2-6

yup steve boulds boys looking class

we need a jack wilshire in the first team badly
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 04, 2009, 12:33:23 PM
just bringing back to the front page
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on June 04, 2009, 12:37:03 PM
A bump post? Fuh real?
Feeling insecure if you can't see the thread?
Next time, when you have something meaningful to contribute, do a search for "Arsenal Forever"
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 05, 2009, 09:50:33 AM
A bump post? Fuh real?
Feeling insecure if you can't see the thread?
Next time, when you have something meaningful to contribute, do a search for "Arsenal Forever"
dunno how i can make it through summer, at least theres the preseason, emirates cup and transfer silliness to keep me occupied

oh and soca warriors WCQ
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 16, 2009, 09:58:57 AM
Emmanuel Eboue concedes he may leave Arsenal after revealing that he is unhappy at the Emirates.

The Ivory Coast international, 26, told France Football he is unsettled by his lack of regular first-team action.

He said: "It would be hard but I think it would be harder to experience another season like this one.

"In any case, if I leave Arsenal it would be for another league because it is out of the question that I develop elsewhere in England."

Eboue moved to Arsenal from Beveren in January 2005 and became a first-team regular in the second half of the following season.
 
However, inconsistent form resulted in him being overtaken by Bacary Sagna and Theo Walcott in the pecking order.

He was booed by the Gunners fans back in December after coming off the bench against Wigan and was himself substituted
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on June 16, 2009, 10:08:02 AM
ok
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 17, 2009, 07:06:41 AM
ok
my sentiments exactly
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 17, 2009, 07:07:37 AM
August
Sat Aug 15 Everton A
Aug 18/19  UEFA Champions League N Play-off round 1L
Sat Aug 22 Portsmouth H
Aug 25/26  UEFA Champions League Play-off round 2L
Sat Aug 29 Manchester United A
September
Sat Sep 12 Manchester City A
Sep 15/16  UEFA Champions League Matchday 1
Sat Sep 19 Wigan Athletic H
Wed Sep 23 Carling Cup 3
Sat Sep 26 Fulham A
Sep 29/30  UEFA Champions League Matchday 2
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Sat Oct 3 Blackburn Rovers H
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Oct 20/21  UEFA Champions League Matchday 3
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November
Nov 3/4  UEFA Champions League Matchday 4
Sat Nov 7 Wolverhampton Wanderers A
Sat Nov 21 Sunderland A
Nov 24/25 UEFA Champions League Matchday 5
Sat Nov 28 Chelsea H
December
Wed Dec 2 Carling Cup 5
Sat Dec 5 Stoke City H
Dec 8/9  UEFA Champions League Matchday 6
Sat Dec 12 Liverpool A
Tue Dec 15 Burnley A
Sat Dec 19 Hull City H
Sat Dec 26 Aston Villa H
Mon Dec 28 Portsmouth A
January
Sat Jan 2 F.A . Cup 3
Wed Jan 6 Carling Cup Semi-Final (1)
Sat Jan 9 Everton H
Sat Jan 16 Bolton Wanderers A
Wed Jan 20 Carling Cup Semi-Final (2)
Sat Jan 23 F.A. Cup 4
Wed Jan 27 Aston Villa A
Sat Jan 30 Manchester United H
February
Sat Feb 6 Chelsea A
Tue Feb 9 Liverpool H
Sat Feb 13 F.A. Cup 5
Feb 16/17/23/24  UEFA Champions League Knockout Round 1L
Sat Feb 20 Sunderland H
Sat Feb 27 Stoke City A
Sun Feb 28 Carling Cup Final
March
Sat Mar 6 Burnley H (F.A. Cup 6)
Mar 9/10/16/17 UEFA Champions League Knockout Round 2L 
Sat Mar 13 Hull City A
Sat Mar 20 West Ham United H
Sat Mar 27 Birmingham City A
Mar 30/31 UEFA Champions League Quarter-Final 1L
April
Sat Apr 3 Wolverhampton Wanderers H
Apr 6/7 UEFA Champions League Quarter-Final 2L
Sat Apr 10 Tottenham Hotspur A (F.A. Cup Semi-Final)
Sat Apr 17 Wigan Athletic A
Apr 20/21 UEFA Champions League Semi-Final 1L
Sat Apr 24 Manchester City H
Apr 27/28 UEFA Champions League Semi-Final 2L
May
Sat May 1 Blackburn Rovers A
Sun May 9 Fulham H
Sat May 15 F.A. Cup Final
Sat May 22  UEFA Champions League Final
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: takenoprisoners on June 19, 2009, 09:55:01 AM
Vermaelen signs

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/thomas-vermaelen-completes-move-to-arsenal
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on June 19, 2009, 01:58:37 PM
Vermaelen signs

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/thomas-vermaelen-completes-move-to-arsenal

Dutch Defender is that not an oxymoron  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on June 19, 2009, 02:00:39 PM
Vermaelen signs

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/thomas-vermaelen-completes-move-to-arsenal

Dutch Defender is that not an oxymoron  ;D

That Jap Stam fella was ok.
But this dude is Belgian, he just played in Holland
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 19, 2009, 04:45:13 PM
he has the attitude skill and size we need in the back
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: makaveli on June 19, 2009, 11:41:06 PM
he has the attitude skill and size we need in the back


remains to be seen..would have loved to see Upson come back to Arsenal..fighting for the central defender spot with Rio..would have definitely put in some good performances..and well of course he has the experience
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 21, 2009, 07:32:45 PM
he has the attitude skill and size we need in the back

remains to be seen..would have loved to see Upson come back to Arsenal..fighting for the central defender spot with Rio..would have definitely put in some good performances..and well of course he has the experience

upson is good, but should have never left, he was impatient like so many arsenal youngsters that left either not good enough, bently  or sidwell, or indiscipline penant

he should have never left he would have been captain for sure and gotten experience way beyond what west ham could ever dream of offering him
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on June 23, 2009, 05:29:01 AM
Wenger rules out Arsenal summer departures

Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger has said that he won't be selling his top stars this summer as he plans to build for the future.

It has been suggested that the Gunners would cash in on Emmanuel Adebayor to help fund squad strengthening, but Wenger claims there will be no repeat of last summer when Mathieu Flamini and Alex Hleb both left the club.

"We lost Hleb and Flamini last summer and we have had to rebuild," said Wenger. "But we have done that now and the future looks bright. We don't want to have to rebuild again, so I want to keep all the players together for next season. I don't want to lose anyone.

"I want to add to the squad and have identified one or two targets. But identifying players and buying them are two different things.''

Arsenal have already bought Belgian defender Thomas Vermaelen from Ajax for £10m and Wenger is also expected to sign a defensive midfielder, with Brazilian Felipe Melo and Barcelona's Yaya Toure linked.

However, the French boss won't be caught short before the start of the new season and plans to complete his summer transfer business as quickly as possible.

"Ideally I would like to bring everybody in before we start back in pre-season training in July. I don't want to leave it until the end of August," he added.

"We are at a stage where we need to convince people that this team does a lot of things right. It does not need to be transformed. When you go on a long unbeaten run in the Premier League and reach two semi-finals, common sense should tell you that.

"We have to take encouragement from what we have done in the season just gone.

"I am fed-up with people who think I have £100m in the bank yet don't want to spend it. How can people think that? "The pride of the club is in having moved to a new stadium while maintaining the club at the top level.

"The policy of the club is that they have backed me in what I do and the way I do it. We now have to be strong enough to stick to that. We cannot pump £100m into it, so we must keep faith in what we are doing."
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on June 23, 2009, 10:15:52 AM
And hopefully we sign up Melo after the Confed is over.
Vermaelen and Melo, with no departures doesn't sound too bad.

Predictions?

.................Almunia...............
Sagna...Kolo/Verm...Willy....Clichy
..............Cesc......Melo...........
....Nasri.......Arshavin.......Rosicky
...................RVP...................

Adebyebye, Eduardo, Bendtner, Theo, Vela, Denilson, Song, Diaby, Eboue, Gibbs, Djourou, Fabianski.

Cesc can dictate from deep and the front four are free to roam.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: jason23 on June 23, 2009, 11:01:16 AM
2 all the haterzzz we wininng the trebole watch an see all them who dissin wenger style we commin strong , down wit man u an shitelse, an piperpool............................. :beermug: :beermug: ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on June 23, 2009, 02:30:47 PM
2 all the haterzzz we wininng the trebole watch an see all them who dissin wenger style we commin strong , down wit man u an shitelse, an piperpool............................. :beermug: :beermug: ;D

I doubt even you believe de bullshit yuh type :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 29, 2009, 10:07:32 AM
Former Arsenal midfielder Gilberto Silva says he has urged his Brazil team-mate Felipe Melo to join the Gunners this summer.

The Gunners are reported to have made a substantial offer for Fiorentina's 25-year-old holding midfielder.

"We heard rumours and he asked me. I said it's a fantastic club and if he's interested he should go without thinking," Silva told BBC Sport.

"He is exactly what they need - a powerful player with quality."

Gilberto, who left the Gunners for Panathinaikos in Greece last summer, added: "If they got him it would be great because he is a player they need at the moment.

"I'm sure if they got him it would be a good signing. I have told him Arsenal is a great club and I am sure next season they will improve."

The 32-year-old Silva, who spent six seasons with the Gunners, played alongside Melo in Brazil's Confederations Cup final win over the US and said he had been impressed with his side-kick throughout the tournament.

"He is a very good player," said Silva after his side's 3-2 win at Ellis Park on Sunday.

  "Felipe has shown in the national team that he has personality and quality."

"I am sure he has a lot more to grow as well. He is a young player, strong, powerful and has a good quality in his pass.

"My partnership with him works well and I hope we can carry on doing well for Brazil."

The Gunners are reported to face competition from La Liga and Champions League champions Barcelona for Melo's signature.

Melo has played only one season for Fiorentina after joining the Italian side from Spain's Almeria last summer.

He has a reputation as a fiery midfielder and in his first season in Serie A collected 17 yellow cards and three reds.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on June 30, 2009, 05:57:46 AM
Former Arsenal midfielder Gilberto Silva says he has urged his Brazil team-mate Felipe Melo to join the Gunners this summer.

The Gunners are reported to have made a substantial offer for Fiorentina's 25-year-old holding midfielder.

"We heard rumours and he asked me. I said it's a fantastic club and if he's interested he should go without thinking," Silva told BBC Sport.

"He is exactly what they need - a powerful player with quality."

Gilberto, who left the Gunners for Panathinaikos in Greece last summer, added: "If they got him it would be great because he is a player they need at the moment.

"I'm sure if they got him it would be a good signing. I have told him Arsenal is a great club and I am sure next season they will improve."

The 32-year-old Silva, who spent six seasons with the Gunners, played alongside Melo in Brazil's Confederations Cup final win over the US and said he had been impressed with his side-kick throughout the tournament.

"He is a very good player," said Silva after his side's 3-2 win at Ellis Park on Sunday.

  "Felipe has shown in the national team that he has personality and quality."

"I am sure he has a lot more to grow as well. He is a young player, strong, powerful and has a good quality in his pass.

"My partnership with him works well and I hope we can carry on doing well for Brazil."

The Gunners are reported to face competition from La Liga and Champions League champions Barcelona for Melo's signature.

Melo has played only one season for Fiorentina after joining the Italian side from Spain's Almeria last summer.

He has a reputation as a fiery midfielder and in his first season in Serie A collected 17 yellow cards and three reds.


Fiorentina maintained that he was not for sale / he didn't want to leave.
Signed a contract entension today.
Moving on .....
Lorik Cana?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 30, 2009, 06:48:33 AM
who?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on June 30, 2009, 07:26:13 AM
who?

Lorik Cana. He's Albanian and Marseille's captain. 25 years old.
He's been on Arsene's radar for a good few years now but couldn't go over for a trial because of Visa issues. But he has 31 national caps now, and Marseille is listening to offers.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 30, 2009, 11:44:22 AM
ok just youtubed the dude

buy him now!

i like his fight, and a bigger version of Flamini, and i bet he'd turna few of the Arsenal boys into men
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 05, 2009, 05:18:56 PM
so Eboue for Melo? yes please

or

Falmini for Adebayor? yes please?

then get Chamnka to replace Ade? why not?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Tenorsaw on July 05, 2009, 06:54:12 PM
Former Arsenal midfielder Gilberto Silva says he has urged his Brazil team-mate Felipe Melo to join the Gunners this summer.

The Gunners are reported to have made a substantial offer for Fiorentina's 25-year-old holding midfielder.

"We heard rumours and he asked me. I said it's a fantastic club and if he's interested he should go without thinking," Silva told BBC Sport.

"He is exactly what they need - a powerful player with quality."

Gilberto, who left the Gunners for Panathinaikos in Greece last summer, added: "If they got him it would be great because he is a player they need at the moment.

"I'm sure if they got him it would be a good signing. I have told him Arsenal is a great club and I am sure next season they will improve."

The 32-year-old Silva, who spent six seasons with the Gunners, played alongside Melo in Brazil's Confederations Cup final win over the US and said he had been impressed with his side-kick throughout the tournament.

"He is a very good player," said Silva after his side's 3-2 win at Ellis Park on Sunday.

  "Felipe has shown in the national team that he has personality and quality."

"I am sure he has a lot more to grow as well. He is a young player, strong, powerful and has a good quality in his pass.

"My partnership with him works well and I hope we can carry on doing well for Brazil."

The Gunners are reported to face competition from La Liga and Champions League champions Barcelona for Melo's signature.

Melo has played only one season for Fiorentina after joining the Italian side from Spain's Almeria last summer.

He has a reputation as a fiery midfielder and in his first season in Serie A collected 17 yellow cards and three reds.


Fiorentina maintained that he was not for sale / he didn't want to leave.
Signed a contract entension today.
Moving on .....
Lorik Cana?


Contract extension with a higher trigger price for the player.  Maybe Fiorentina didn't have that in the original contract and realized that Melo's stock is much higher that when they bought him.  Contracts don't say much now-a-days.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: mukumsplau on July 05, 2009, 07:02:02 PM
Former Arsenal midfielder Gilberto Silva says he has urged his Brazil team-mate Felipe Melo to join the Gunners this summer.

The Gunners are reported to have made a substantial offer for Fiorentina's 25-year-old holding midfielder.

"We heard rumours and he asked me. I said it's a fantastic club and if he's interested he should go without thinking," Silva told BBC Sport.

"He is exactly what they need - a powerful player with quality."

Gilberto, who left the Gunners for Panathinaikos in Greece last summer, added: "If they got him it would be great because he is a player they need at the moment.

"I'm sure if they got him it would be a good signing. I have told him Arsenal is a great club and I am sure next season they will improve."

The 32-year-old Silva, who spent six seasons with the Gunners, played alongside Melo in Brazil's Confederations Cup final win over the US and said he had been impressed with his side-kick throughout the tournament.

"He is a very good player," said Silva after his side's 3-2 win at Ellis Park on Sunday.

  "Felipe has shown in the national team that he has personality and quality."

"I am sure he has a lot more to grow as well. He is a young player, strong, powerful and has a good quality in his pass.

"My partnership with him works well and I hope we can carry on doing well for Brazil."

The Gunners are reported to face competition from La Liga and Champions League champions Barcelona for Melo's signature.

Melo has played only one season for Fiorentina after joining the Italian side from Spain's Almeria last summer.

He has a reputation as a fiery midfielder and in his first season in Serie A collected 17 yellow cards and three reds.


Fiorentina maintained that he was not for sale / he didn't want to leave.
Signed a contract entension today.
Moving on .....
Lorik Cana?


Contract extension with a higher trigger price for the player.  Maybe Fiorentina didn't have that in the original contract and realized that Melo's stock is much higher that when they bought him.  Contracts don't say much now-a-days.

my guess is they made him sign that extension wit the release clause knowing they gonna sell him..in any case..reliable sources in italy say on tuesday fiorentina and juve directors meeting to hammer out somthin..its reported that we offerin 17 mil and grygera + marchionni...also alleged that we agreed personal terms with melo...think 5 year contract 3.5mil a season...hope it all works out..
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 07, 2009, 01:16:13 PM
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/training (http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/training)

arsenal pre-season training pics

rosicky and eduardo are back

so is senderos? and new boy Vermaelen also young guns wilshire and gibbs

think arsenals "weak squad" days might be over

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Jayerson on July 07, 2009, 01:28:54 PM
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/training (http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/training)

arsenal pre-season training pics

rosicky and eduardo are back

so is senderos? and new boy Vermaelen also young guns wilshire and gibbs

think arsenals "weak squad" days might be over



Vermaelen looks like a good buy. Hope he settles in quickly.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kicker on July 07, 2009, 02:03:14 PM
ok just youtubed the dude

buy him now!


i like his fight, and a bigger version of Flamini, and i bet he'd turna few of the Arsenal boys into men

I hope Wenger eh buyin' players based on youtube...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 08, 2009, 04:50:20 AM
Arsenal Football Club is delighted to announce that Robin van Persie has signed a new long-term contract with the Club.
 
Van Persie (25), who joined the Gunners from home town club Feyenoord in 2004, was Arsenal’s leading goalscorer last season with 20 goals from his 44 overall appearances.
 
In his five seasons with Arsenal, Van Persie, who is capable of turning a match at any time with a flourish of his left foot, has made 177 appearances for the Gunners, scoring a total of 63 goals in all competitions.
 
The Dutch international striker, is also a regular with his national team and has scored 13 goals from his 37 appearances, already helping the Netherlands qualify for the FIFA World Cup 2010 in South Africa.
 
Van Persie, who was an FA Cup winner with the Club in 2005, played an integral part in Arsenal’s run to the UEFA Champions League and FA Cup semi-finals last season. As well as his 11 Premier League goals, Robin scored five times in the Champions League and four in the FA Cup. Throughout the season, Robin produced many important and match winning performances, most notably scoring both goals in the 2-1 league win at Chelsea last November.
 
Arsène Wenger said: “It’s fantastic news that Robin van Persie has committed his long term future to Arsenal Football Club, we’re all delighted. Robin is a hugely gifted player and has the talent and goalscoring ability to win matches at the very top level. We have already seen many times what Robin is capable of on a football pitch, but at only 25, there is still much more to come from him. Robin has the potential to become a true Arsenal great.”
 
Robin van Persie added: “I’m so happy to have signed a new long term contract. I’ve been at the Club for five years now and there really is a great feeling here at Arsenal. We have a top class manager, a squad full of superb young players, a world class stadium and brilliant supporters. Arsenal Football Club has a very bright future and I want to be part of it.
 
"My heart is with Arsenal and I just can’t picture myself in a different shirt. I just can’t see it now because I love this Club so much. If you look at the last five years, look at the steps I have made every season, if you look at the support the Boss and the whole Club gave me, the fans gave me, my team mates gave me – this is the right decision."
 
Everyone at Arsenal Football Club is looking forward to Robin’s continued contribution in the forthcoming years.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: freakazoid on July 08, 2009, 05:33:30 AM
mods ah find if A  team n win ah trophy in  ah million years then that said team must not get A separate thread :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: acb on July 08, 2009, 10:03:46 AM
mods ah find if A  team n win ah trophy in  ah million years then that said team must not get A separate thread :devil:

lol ... I see this thread and say to myself, "wayy boy - Arsenal still playing football?" ... same goes with Liverpool
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 08, 2009, 10:37:16 AM
keep it up numb nuts you just bump the thread to the top
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: SOBRIQUET on July 10, 2009, 11:51:32 AM
http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/85/england/2009/07/08/1371501/english-angle-no-felipe-melo-no-ambition-no-chance-of-arsene

English Angle: No Felipe Melo, No Ambition & No Chance Of Arsene Wenger Making Arsenal Great Again

The Gunners have lost yet another potentially perfect signing, as Goal.com's Sulmaan Ahmad wonders whether Wenger's philosophy is enough anymore.

In an age in which football - like every other sport - is having its course dictated by commercial business, you can only admire a man of pure intentions and principles.

Arsene Wenger has made it abundantly clear he is against big business 'corrupting' football, and is more concerned with maintaining a stable, recession-proof economic policy. Playing it safe. Slow and steady wins the race.

The only problem is, you only tell the Tortoise and the Hare story to children, Aesop has been dead for over 2000 years and the only race slow and steady wins is one to a Europa League place - at best.

Zinedine Zidane didn't become the greatest footballer of modern times by being particularly industrious or hard-working, Axel Foley wasn't the best detective on Beverly Hills Cop because he followed the letter of the law and Bill Gates didn't become the wealthiest man on the planet by building the Microsoft dynasty on a shoestring budget.

Fans just want their team to win, maybe not at all costs, but Arsene Wenger seems to think he can do it at next to no cost whatsoever and he can't.. The uncensored, insensitive reality of the football world is that is that €10 million is nothing. And so is Thomas Vermaelen.

Wenger assured fans at the Emirates - as the season reached its predictable, trophyless end - that experience would be signed in key positions this summer. At 23, Vermaelen has just over 20 caps for the Belgian national side and has come through the worst Ajax team for the last three to four decades.

Arsene has an eye for talent better than most, and there is nothing to say that Vermaelen, who has had ringing endorsements from the likes of Jaap Stam, couldn't develop into a class player. But there's that word again: development.

The fans, above all else, have become restless with the club's status as surrogates for French, African and French-African talents who either don't quite make the top grade, or do so and promptly head to a club where they have something of an assurance that they can line up alongside more players of proven quality and compete for major silverware.

Principles, after all, are relative - with many heavily criticising Wenger's policy of poaching many of 'his' best youth talents - while success is indisputably universal. The lack of balance in Wenger's philosophy and inability to adapt to compete in the age of Abramovich is disconcerting; but he is a man of such intelligence, you would be naive to suggest he doesn't realise the shortcomings of his transfer strategy.

And that is why there is growing belief that the pennysaver signings are nothing more than a fail-safe, to hide behind the guise of financial responsibility and youth development as an excuse for any potential failure, while snatching the likes of Gareth Barry or Xabi Alonso would put the onus squarely on the manager to deliver success.

Believe what you will, but don't believe it's unfair, don't believe there is no money and don't believe that Arsenal's decline from magical to a little mediocre is anyone's fault but the club's.

Having already given up on the likes of Gokhan Inler off the back of his impressive Euro 2008 showing, Wenger was presented with a chance to snap up Felipe Melo from Fiorentina. Fresh from Spanish outfit Almeria, in his debut Serie A season, the Brazilian was quite possibly the best midfielder in the league, a driving force behind the club qualifying for the Champions League for successive years for the first time in its history and now a regular with the Brazil national side, one of their star performers en route to Confederations Cup glory last month.

Arsenal reportedly put up just €14m for the combative Brazilian and were laughed off. Juventus are now on the verge of signing him for a fee in the region of €20-25m. Steep, yes, but such is the price of a player just one year into his contract and in such red-hot form. Bear in mind, this is not even a Juve under Luciano Moggi and coached by Fabio Capello or Marcello Lippi. This is a Juve ravaged by the Calciopoli scandal and putting money they don't even have into players they know they absolutely require.

Take Arsenal's €14m offer, take the €10m spent on Vermaelen, and tell me what you have. You have more than enough money to buy the perfect partner for Cesc Fabregas, which would immeasurably help him improve on his ponderous and unimpressive last season at the Emirates and flourish as the world class talent that he is before inevitably jetting back to Barcelona. It would restore Arsenal's strength in central midfield; the hub of any great football side, as demonstrated by Andres Iniesta and Xavi, Andrea Pirlo and Rino Gattuso or even Paul Scholes and Roy Keane.

Invariably, Arsene will now revert to type. His initial target, the Vermaelen-like Stephane Sessegnon of Paris-Saint Germain, has just renewed with the French capital club, but instead sights are now set on Blaise Matuidi at Saint-Etienne. While it can be condescending to constantly assume it takes a name to make a player, Arsenal's recent track record suggests enough no-names will inevitably lead to a no-team.

For a man who coaches his players with such passion and belief to take risks and go out to win, it is nothing short of a shame for football that he cannot take that same mentality into the boardroom. There is a reason Real Madrid head-hunted the Frenchman this summer. It wasn't the first time and may not even be the last, as he is a man universally recognised as embracing a special brand of football and nurturing of top talent.

But just as Barcelona won't produce a Fabregas, Iniesta, Messi and Pique as part of one generation every time, nor can Arsene realistically expect to snatch them up from other clubs, let alone produce four or five more Jack Wilsheres. Not Kieran Gibbs' or even Jay Simpsons, but Jack Wilsheres. There is a difference - let's stop acting like we don't know it.

The likes of Dennis Bergkamp, Thierry Henry and Patrick Vieira - astonishingly rejected by Serie A during its golden age - would not come cheaply in today's equivalent market and, perhaps Vieira excluded, they weren't exactly cheap then, either.

The 59-year-old may yet surprise us all and sign a player of immense experience in Mahamadou Diarra - a French-speaking African, just as he likes them - and having just turned 28, won four Ligue 1 titles with Lyon and two Primera Divisions with Real Madrid, will most likely be available for a fee in the region of €15m as Madrid clear-out as part of the Galacticos revolution. But if it's a straight shootout between he and 22-year-old, €7-10m Matuidi - where would you place your bet?

Signing two good players instead of one great talent will never beget success at the highest level. Rafa Benitez makes a better fist of it by playing a much less attractive brand of football and having spent big on the right players a couple of times - two options Wenger seems unwilling to consider.

Competing with Man City in the long-term is perhaps an unreasonable expectation, but at this rate - having already been callously removed from a big four now referred to as a 'big three' by many - they will be fighting all the way for their fourth place once again this coming season, out of depth to compete for either of the two top honours of the season.

It has never been as simple as spending and winning, but Wenger's overcomplicating of every movement in the transfer market is tarnishing his legacy in north London, even when taking into account how he took them from relative mediocrity to where they have since been and still are now.

The last straw could end up being anything from failure to qualify for the Champions League, finally finishing below Spurs in a league season or even Wenger leaving for the likes of Madrid - but what is at this point a guarantee for the chief proprietor of beautiful football is that, at this rate, it will be very, very ugly.

Sulmaan Ahmad, Goal.com

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on July 10, 2009, 01:50:29 PM
People still posting shit from goal.com?

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on July 10, 2009, 02:02:53 PM
Just to clarify, Arsene Wenger is the Manager, not the CEO, Chairman, largest shareholder, owner or boardmember. There are others involved with money dealings. If Ken Friar or Peter Hill-Wood says for the next few years keep us in Europe and keep us competing while on a small budget, developing young talent and promoting through the reserves, then what?

Between last summer and now we got Nasri, Ramsey, Arshavin and Vermaelen. Thats more than 40 Million pounds.
Not bad for a club who just built a new stadium and is self-sufficient without a sugar daddy or the spanish government.

It's not all doom and gloom when looking at it this way:

Almunia
Sagna Verm Gallas Clichy
Rosicky Fabregas Denilson Arshavin
Van Persie Eduardo

and still have Adebayor, Nasri, Walcott, Vela, Bendtner, Toure, Eboue, Song, Gibbs, Diaby.

and we have till August 31 to get a new CDM
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 12, 2009, 07:00:32 AM
i would pick...

Almunia
Sagna Verm Toure Clichy
Rosicky Fabregas Song Arshavin
Van Persie Eduardo

and still have Adebayor, Nasri, Walcott, Vela, Bendtner, Gallas, Eboue, Denilson, Gibbs, Diaby.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: SOBRIQUET on July 12, 2009, 12:00:33 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/david-conn-inside-sport-blog/2009/jul/10/arsenal-theo-walcott

Arsenal's rich owners could have set an example – and provided money to the club – by seriously considering a rights issue

Alisher Usmanov's proposal that Arsenal should hold a rights issue was a shrewd one which probably merited a rather more serious response than it got.  The Arsenal board may believe Alisher Usmanov's rights issue proposal was a stalking horse to gain more control, something the Russian denies.

Arsenal's Russian major shareholder, Alisher Usmanov, does not perhaps fit every fan's ideal image of a man you would most like to be involved with your football club. But his proposal that Arsenal should hold a rights issue, which would mean he and Arsenal's other shareholders would reach into their own pockets to provide money, not debt, directly for the club to spend, was a shrewd one which probably merited a rather more serious response than it got.


Arsenal's chief executive, the bright, genuine Ivan Gazidis, somewhat slipped the news out yesterday, that the club's board had rejected Usmanov's suggestion. It was tucked into a Q & A format with Arsenal's own website, between positive player news: Robin van Persie has signed a new contract, Eduardo and Tomas Rosicky are back, Thomas Vermaelen, Arsenal's one signing so far of the summer, "will make a big impact," and other young players including Theo Walcott, Kieran Gibbs and Jack Wilshere, have "committed their long term futures to the club."

So all good news and lots to look forward to. And in addition the board, with its financial advisors, Rothschild, has examined and rejected the rights issue idea, which Usmanov's advisors said could raise £150m for the club if he and the other shareholders, including Stan Kroenke and Danny Fiszman, had paid their money in substantially.

Gazidis' reasoning was that Arsenal do not need the money. They do not need it to reduce the club's £416m debts, because "the club has a very efficient capital structure with long-term debt on attractive interest rates." Nor should Arsenal raise money from shareholders to spend it on "one or two players in an inflated transfer market." Instead, they should continue as they are, because they make enough money from the high ticket prices Arsenal fans fork out for, and all the other till-ringing revenues at the Emirates Stadium, "to comfortably meet the annual costs of [the club's] debt while at the same time generating surplus funds to invest in the club."

There are, however, one or two obvious counters to that argument. The first is that the swish apartments being built in the sacred shells of Highbury's East and West Stands - the most prestigious flats in north London, the estate agents' brochures would have you know - were intended to deliver the club a windfall of £100m if the property bubble had not popped. The vast majority of the flats are contracted to be sold, but the prospective buyers cannot now get mortgages. Not only is there no prospect of the £100m windfall – which could well have been used to reduce debt or buy a player or two – but also, a £133m bank loan on the development is due for repayment in April and having to be renegotiated right now. To say Arsenal have no use for money from the rights issue is a little close to arguing they would have had no use for the £100m hoped-for profit from the Highbury flats.

The second most obvious difficulty with the rejection of the rights issue is that Arsenal could have set an example had they given it serious consideration. It is important to understand what a rights issue actually is. It is an issue of new shares to the existing shareholders, principally Usmanov, Kroenke and Fiszman, who would pay Arsenal directly for those new shares. All the other, smaller shareholders would also have the right to buy more shares, some new ones could also be created for fans or investors to buy. Care could have been taken not to give Usmanov or Kroenke a much larger stake, and to protect the stakes of the smaller shareholders.

The virtue of this way of raising money for a football club – or any company - is that the shareholders pay money directly in to buy the shares. Pure cash goes to the club's bank account for it to spend as it thinks wisest. It is not debt; the shareholders are not lending the money, as happens at many other football clubs, which are so in hock to their "benefactors."

Arsenal like to think of themselves as a model club, embodying traditional virtues. A rights issue, in which the rich men in charge actually invest real money, no strings attached, for their club to spend, would have set an example to the clubs existing beyond their means on loans from "sugar daddies," or, worse, those like Manchester United and Liverpool, whose north American owners loaded the clubs with debt to pay for the costs of their own takeovers.

The other problem Arsenal have with rejecting the rights issue is that three longstanding shareholders have recently made multi-millions personally out of selling Arsenal shares, but not a penny of it has gone into the club. Usmanov himself paid £75m to David Dein for the former vice-chairman's stake, which Dein bought in the 1980s and early 1990s for a fingernail of that sum. Fiszman made £42.5m personally – tax free because he is resident in Switzerland – by selling an eight per cent slice of Arsenal to Kroenke in April. Richard Carr, holder of shares which were in his family for generations, made more than £40m when he sold 4,839 shares to Kroenke for "£8,500 per share and £10,500 per share," according to Arsenal's official announcement, on May 1.

All these millionaires, including Fiszman and Carr who are directors, custodians of the club, have made many more millions for themselves out of selling their Arsenal shares. That makes the board's argument that the shareholders, including Fiszman, do not need to pay money into the club, a little more difficult.

Kroenke has rapidly become Arsenal's largest shareholder, with 28.3%, even though David Dein was effectively marched out of the building in 2007 for having encouraged Kroenke to buy into the club. Now Kroenke is a director, favoured by the board, a close ally of Fiszman, while Usmanov, who has 25% of the club, is kept away from decision making.

Kroenke, though, has said almost nothing about why he is buying up so much of Arsenal, and what his intentions are. For all the money he has spent buying up shares, none of it has gone into the club itself.

Nor has any of Usmanov's, but by making the proposal, he was offering to put significant money in, and inviting the other shareholders to do the same. They may well have valid reasons for rejecting that offer. The board may believe the rights issue is a stalking horse for Usmanov to gain more control – which he denies – and they may feel they have good reasons for being suspicious of Usmanov, who spent time in prison in Russia before, he has said, being officially pardoned when the regime changed.

It might, though, make more sense if the Arsenal board spell those reasons out. The idea that the club could simply not use, at all, £150m, does not quite wash. And the club's ordinary supporters, not many of whom are tax exile multi-millionaires, are being asked to pay some of the highest ticket prices in football, while the rich men in the boardroom solemnly maintain a firm public stance that they should not have to put any money into the club at all.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Big Magician on July 12, 2009, 07:39:09 PM
good read
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 13, 2009, 08:48:54 AM
interesting yes

but wont change our policies, christ if SAF says the market is overinflated and impossible to get value. you think the arsenal board will allow shareholders to throw cash down a hole, gambling on players looking for higher wages (which arsenal aren't the best) or clubs looking to cash in (Manu would have been brain dead not to send ronaldo)

I think arsenals squad as it stands un injured will be even more competitive than last season, we lost it really in the first half. i don't think liverpool will improve, nor have chelsea, aston villa may flatter to decieve and man city are still a ways off.

one negative that will have players reconsider a move to city, no champs league
make as much money as you like but players want europe and they want the best of europe

arsenal has the tallent and desire, if adebayor goes city he wil only be branded greedy, say what he wants about the fans being unapriciative, we knew he was a primadonna (togo behavior and last club)
all in all
ARSENAL ARE CONTENDERS AND SERIOUS ONES AT THAT
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on July 13, 2009, 10:42:50 AM
Aparantly Usmanov wanted a seat on the board too. The Arsenal board does not want him around, that's why they gave Kroenke a seat instead. The lesser of two evils.

Usmanov is very shady. He is an alleged rapist, drug dealer and allegedly responsible for a few witnesses "disppearing". He spent 6 years in jail in the 80's until he was pardoned by Uzbek president Karimov (who has been accused of corruption and human rights violations). The articles written on them by former British ambassador to Uzbekistan Craig Murray, have been removed and banned. I read it a little while ago but lost the link to it.

It's not about selling out to any billionaire with a proposal and a plan.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: SOBRIQUET on July 13, 2009, 10:57:57 AM
Aparantly Usmanov wanted a seat on the board too. The Arsenal board does not want him around, that's why they gave Kroenke a seat instead. The lesser of two evils.

Usmanov is very shady. He is an alleged rapist, drug dealer and allegedly responsible for a few witnesses "disppearing". He spent 6 years in jail in the 80's until he was pardoned by Uzbek president Karimov (who has been accused of corruption and human rights violations). The articles written on them by former British ambassador to Uzbekistan Craig Murray, have been removed and banned. I read it a little while ago but lost the link to it.

It's not about selling out to any billionaire with a proposal and a plan.

Those same shareholders have no trouble taking his money once it goes into their personal bank accounts though?  Its only when its offered to buy players to make the club better, they have a problem taking the "rapist" money.  the article completely flew over your head i see :) i understand love for a club, but it is this blind love i can't understand.  hard to have any decent convo with allyuh men yes.  read the article again...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 13, 2009, 11:31:53 AM
Aparantly Usmanov wanted a seat on the board too. The Arsenal board does not want him around, that's why they gave Kroenke a seat instead. The lesser of two evils.

Usmanov is very shady. He is an alleged rapist, drug dealer and allegedly responsible for a few witnesses "disppearing". He spent 6 years in jail in the 80's until he was pardoned by Uzbek president Karimov (who has been accused of corruption and human rights violations). The articles written on them by former British ambassador to Uzbekistan Craig Murray, have been removed and banned. I read it a little while ago but lost the link to it.

It's not about selling out to any billionaire with a proposal and a plan.

Those same shareholders have no trouble taking his money once it goes into their personal bank accounts though?  Its only when its offered to buy players to make the club better, they have a problem taking the "rapist" money.  the article completely flew over your head i see :) i understand love for a club, but it is this blind love i can't understand.  hard to have any decent convo with allyuh men yes.  read the article again...


sobs like yuh didnt read miy coment
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on July 13, 2009, 11:47:02 AM
Aparantly Usmanov wanted a seat on the board too. The Arsenal board does not want him around, that's why they gave Kroenke a seat instead. The lesser of two evils.

Usmanov is very shady. He is an alleged rapist, drug dealer and allegedly responsible for a few witnesses "disppearing". He spent 6 years in jail in the 80's until he was pardoned by Uzbek president Karimov (who has been accused of corruption and human rights violations). The articles written on them by former British ambassador to Uzbekistan Craig Murray, have been removed and banned. I read it a little while ago but lost the link to it.

It's not about selling out to any billionaire with a proposal and a plan.

Those same shareholders have no trouble taking his money once it goes into their personal bank accounts though?  Its only when its offered to buy players to make the club better, they have a problem taking the "rapist" money.  the article completely flew over your head i see :) i understand love for a club, but it is this blind love i can't understand.  hard to have any decent convo with allyuh men yes.  read the article again...

Maybe you should read my post again. Do you think Usmanov proposed the rights issue with nothing to gain himself?
Be it more shares or a seat in the boardroom, the club doesn't want him to have an active role.

He gained his shares from David Dein. Two years ago, Dein wanted a takeover from Kroenke. They threw Dein out and he sold his shares to Usmanov. Since then Dein has broken his ties with him, and the board had  a lockdown agreement in place preventing him from gaining a 30% stake, which he needs for a takeover. So stay there and think the shareholders have no problem taking his money. If someone buys shares from someone else, does that put money into the other shareholders' pockets? Usmanov even offered 100 Million to fund transfers this summer and the board rejected that too. By the way he is a Manchester United fan. If the club wants anyone from the outside, it would be Kroenke, not Usmanov.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on July 13, 2009, 01:14:15 PM
Aparantly Usmanov wanted a seat on the board too. The Arsenal board does not want him around, that's why they gave Kroenke a seat instead. The lesser of two evils.

Usmanov is very shady. He is an alleged rapist, drug dealer and allegedly responsible for a few witnesses "disppearing". He spent 6 years in jail in the 80's until he was pardoned by Uzbek president Karimov (who has been accused of corruption and human rights violations). The articles written on them by former British ambassador to Uzbekistan Craig Murray, have been removed and banned. I read it a little while ago but lost the link to it.

It's not about selling out to any billionaire with a proposal and a plan.

Those same shareholders have no trouble taking his money once it goes into their personal bank accounts though?  Its only when its offered to buy players to make the club better, they have a problem taking the "rapist" money.  the article completely flew over your head i see :) i understand love for a club, but it is this blind love i can't understand.  hard to have any decent convo with allyuh men yes.  read the article again...

Maybe you should read my post again. Do you think Usmanov proposed the rights issue with nothing to gain himself?
Be it more shares or a seat in the boardroom, the club doesn't want him to have an active role.

He gained his shares from David Dein. Two years ago, Dein wanted a takeover from Kroenke. They threw Dein out and he sold his shares to Usmanov. Since then Dein has broken his ties with him, and the board had  a lockdown agreement in place preventing him from gaining a 30% stake, which he needs for a takeover. So stay there and think the shareholders have no problem taking his money. If someone buys shares from someone else, does that put money into the other shareholders' pockets? Usmanov even offered 100 Million to fund transfers this summer and the board rejected that too. By the way he is a Manchester United fan. If the club wants anyone from the outside, it would be Kroenke, not Usmanov.

Admitedly I don't know much about Arsenal's front office goings on but this contradicts what you just said "Kroenke has rapidly become Arsenal's largest shareholder, with 28.3%, even though David Dein was effectively marched out of the building in 2007 for having encouraged Kroenke to buy into the club. Now Kroenke is a director, favoured by the board, a close ally of Fiszman, while Usmanov, who has 25% of the club, is kept away from decision making.

Kroenke, though, has said almost nothing about why he is buying up so much of Arsenal, and what his intentions are. For all the money he has spent buying up shares, none of it has gone into the club itself. "

So which one is closer to accurate?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on July 13, 2009, 01:29:04 PM
Aparantly Usmanov wanted a seat on the board too. The Arsenal board does not want him around, that's why they gave Kroenke a seat instead. The lesser of two evils.

Usmanov is very shady. He is an alleged rapist, drug dealer and allegedly responsible for a few witnesses "disppearing". He spent 6 years in jail in the 80's until he was pardoned by Uzbek president Karimov (who has been accused of corruption and human rights violations). The articles written on them by former British ambassador to Uzbekistan Craig Murray, have been removed and banned. I read it a little while ago but lost the link to it.

It's not about selling out to any billionaire with a proposal and a plan.

Those same shareholders have no trouble taking his money once it goes into their personal bank accounts though?  Its only when its offered to buy players to make the club better, they have a problem taking the "rapist" money.  the article completely flew over your head i see :) i understand love for a club, but it is this blind love i can't understand.  hard to have any decent convo with allyuh men yes.  read the article again...

Maybe you should read my post again. Do you think Usmanov proposed the rights issue with nothing to gain himself?
Be it more shares or a seat in the boardroom, the club doesn't want him to have an active role.

He gained his shares from David Dein. Two years ago, Dein wanted a takeover from Kroenke. They threw Dein out and he sold his shares to Usmanov. Since then Dein has broken his ties with him, and the board had  a lockdown agreement in place preventing him from gaining a 30% stake, which he needs for a takeover. So stay there and think the shareholders have no problem taking his money. If someone buys shares from someone else, does that put money into the other shareholders' pockets? Usmanov even offered 100 Million to fund transfers this summer and the board rejected that too. By the way he is a Manchester United fan. If the club wants anyone from the outside, it would be Kroenke, not Usmanov.

Admitedly I don't know much about Arsenal's front office goings on but this contradicts what you just said "Kroenke has rapidly become Arsenal's largest shareholder, with 28.3%, even though David Dein was effectively marched out of the building in 2007 for having encouraged Kroenke to buy into the club. Now Kroenke is a director, favoured by the board, a close ally of Fiszman, while Usmanov, who has 25% of the club, is kept away from decision making.

Kroenke, though, has said almost nothing about why he is buying up so much of Arsenal, and what his intentions are. For all the money he has spent buying up shares, none of it has gone into the club itself. "

So which one is closer to accurate?

Dein brought Kroenke into the club, trying to encourage a takeover so we could compete financially.
The board didn't like it, and they forced Dein out, but then he sold his shares to Usmanov who started a company called Red and White Holdings which he used to acquire shares and appointed Dein as director or something like that.
It's my opinion that with Usmanov building up his shares, the board saw Kroenke as a better alternative, giving him a seat but preventing either of them from gaining 30% which would require a formal takeover bid.
So basically, Dein ditched Kroenke for Usmanov, the board invited Kroenke in instead, and Dein and Usmanov aren't associated anymore.

They're right that Kroenke hasn't publicly stated what his intentions are, but the feeling is that the board don't want a takeover and he's just a major shareholder/boardmember.
All the noises coming out of the club is that we are fine being self sufficient and they're not looking for someone to pump money into the club.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on July 13, 2009, 01:54:48 PM
Aparantly Usmanov wanted a seat on the board too. The Arsenal board does not want him around, that's why they gave Kroenke a seat instead. The lesser of two evils.

Usmanov is very shady. He is an alleged rapist, drug dealer and allegedly responsible for a few witnesses "disppearing". He spent 6 years in jail in the 80's until he was pardoned by Uzbek president Karimov (who has been accused of corruption and human rights violations). The articles written on them by former British ambassador to Uzbekistan Craig Murray, have been removed and banned. I read it a little while ago but lost the link to it.

It's not about selling out to any billionaire with a proposal and a plan.

Those same shareholders have no trouble taking his money once it goes into their personal bank accounts though?  Its only when its offered to buy players to make the club better, they have a problem taking the "rapist" money.  the article completely flew over your head i see :) i understand love for a club, but it is this blind love i can't understand.  hard to have any decent convo with allyuh men yes.  read the article again...

Maybe you should read my post again. Do you think Usmanov proposed the rights issue with nothing to gain himself?
Be it more shares or a seat in the boardroom, the club doesn't want him to have an active role.

He gained his shares from David Dein. Two years ago, Dein wanted a takeover from Kroenke. They threw Dein out and he sold his shares to Usmanov. Since then Dein has broken his ties with him, and the board had  a lockdown agreement in place preventing him from gaining a 30% stake, which he needs for a takeover. So stay there and think the shareholders have no problem taking his money. If someone buys shares from someone else, does that put money into the other shareholders' pockets? Usmanov even offered 100 Million to fund transfers this summer and the board rejected that too. By the way he is a Manchester United fan. If the club wants anyone from the outside, it would be Kroenke, not Usmanov.

Admitedly I don't know much about Arsenal's front office goings on but this contradicts what you just said "Kroenke has rapidly become Arsenal's largest shareholder, with 28.3%, even though David Dein was effectively marched out of the building in 2007 for having encouraged Kroenke to buy into the club. Now Kroenke is a director, favoured by the board, a close ally of Fiszman, while Usmanov, who has 25% of the club, is kept away from decision making.

Kroenke, though, has said almost nothing about why he is buying up so much of Arsenal, and what his intentions are. For all the money he has spent buying up shares, none of it has gone into the club itself. "

So which one is closer to accurate?

Dein brought Kroenke into the club, trying to encourage a takeover so we could compete financially.
The board didn't like it, and they forced Dein out, but then he sold his shares to Usmanov who started a company called Red and White Holdings which he used to acquire shares and appointed Dein as director or something like that.
It's my opinion that with Usmanov building up his shares, the board saw Kroenke as a better alternative, giving him a seat but preventing either of them from gaining 30% which would require a formal takeover bid.
So basically, Dein ditched Kroenke for Usmanov, the board invited Kroenke in instead, and Dein and Usmanov aren't associated anymore.

They're right that Kroenke hasn't publicly stated what his intentions are, but the feeling is that the board don't want a takeover and he's just a major shareholder/boardmember.
All the noises coming out of the club is that we are fine being self sufficient and they're not looking for someone to pump money into the club.

So is the better of 2 evils then in a way?  Thanx fuh explaining.  Usmanov's proposal still wouldn't result in him reaching 30% unless he got first dibs and bought up all the shares, and still it would mean that they added enough to increase the total by nearly 5%.  I could understand the angle of the writer, but I also understand the boards motivation.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 14, 2009, 07:47:27 AM
yup
see arsenal is looking at long term sustainablility not short term gains.

but i am confident we will get silverware this season, champs league semi finals, fa cup semi finals and 4th in prem, there are clubs that will sell thier souls to be in that position (city, spurs, villa, west ham et al)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 14, 2009, 01:09:28 PM
Adebayor Deal Could Be Worth £70m

Manchester City are reputedly determined to push through the transfer of Emmanuel Adebayor by offering the Arsenal striker a double-your-money deal at Eastlands.


Just over 48 hours after City announced they were no longer pursuing Samuel Eto'o, it is understood that talks between Arsenal and City over Adebayor opened on Monday afternoon. Neither club has yet to comment on the speculation but it's believed that City have offered £20m for the Togo striker.


Determined to hold out for £25m, Arsenal are mindful of AC Milan's interest in Adebayor and one complication in the proposed deal may be the player's reputed preference for moving to Italy. Whether that would remain the case in view of the wages apparently on offer in Manchester remains to be seen. According to The Daily Mail, 'The Togo forward is expected to open talks on a five-year deal worth £170,000 a week' and 'the deal could even be completed today'.


If those figures are correct then the total cost of the deal would be in excess of £70m - a staggering outlay given that the club have already spent over £100m in transfer fees alone this year after completing the purchase of Carlos Tevez on Monday.


The newspaper goes on to speculate that Arsene Wenger is willing to sell because 'has grown tired of what he perceives to be Adebayor's poor attitude'. It is more likely that Wenger is willing to cash in on Adebayor in order to fund further redevelopment of the Gunners' rearguard while pursuing Bordeaux's Morocco striker Marouane Chamakh
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on July 17, 2009, 08:27:29 AM
Good News !!

Rosicky named in squad for the pre-season game tomorrow.

Manuel Almunia
Vito Mannone
William Gallas
Johan Djourou
Mikael Silvestre
Thomas Vermaelen
Tomas Rosicky
Andrey Arshavin
Jack Wilshere
Thomas Cruise
Craig Eastmond
Luke Ayling
Conor Henderson
Francis Coquelin
Jay Emmanuel-Thomas
Mark Randall
Emmanuel Frimpong
Gilles Sunu
Sanchez Watt
Jay Simpson
Nacer Barazite
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on July 17, 2009, 08:44:30 AM
is about time little mozart get fit.  i really hope this season the man could recapture his previous form
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: takenoprisoners on July 17, 2009, 02:13:30 PM
City fuming over Adebayor twist after Arsenal striker flirts with Chelsea move ::) :o :frustrated: ???
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1200451/City-fuming-Adebayor-twist-Arsenal-striker-flirts-Chelsea-move.html?ITO=1490
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 18, 2009, 08:52:38 AM
mercanary


looking forward to watching the preseason against barnet on arsenaltv online  :devil:

rosicky and arshavin playing, also vermaelen

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 18, 2009, 09:17:16 AM
Arsenal: Almunia; Djourou, Gallas, Vermaelen, Silvestre; Wilshere, Randall, Frimpong, Rosicky; Arshavin, Watt.

Goal! Barnet 0-1 Arsenal: Sanchez Watt's intelligent cross finds Andrey Arshavin four yards out and the Russian makes no mistake from close range, side-footing the ball into the roof of the net.

Goal! Barnet 1-1 Arenal: The home side strike back almost immediately. Danny Hart whips in a delightful free-kick and Ismail Yakubu glances a neat header inside Almunia's far post.

Half time: Barnet 1-1 Arsenal

Arsenal's second-half line-up: Mannone; Eastmond, Ayling, Vermaelen, Cruise; Sunu, Coquelin, Henderson, Barazite; Simpson, Emmanuel-Thomas

Goal! Barnet 1-2 Arsenal: For the third successive season, Nacer Barazite finds the net in this fixture. The Dutchman fashions himself a slight opening 12 yards from goal and curls a fine effort past the keeper

Goal! Barnet 2-2 Arsenal: He has been on the field for less than four minutes but Elliot Charles equalises for Barnet. The youngster takes advantage of a goalmouth scramble to slot home from five yards

 Full time: Barnet 2-2 Arsenal

steupse
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 18, 2009, 09:22:40 AM
Arsenal striker Emmanuel Adebayor has arrived in Manchester to tie up the loose ends of his proposed move to Manchester City and complete his medical.

The 25-year-old striker will cost the club around £25m where he will join Carlos Tevez and Roque Santa Cruz in a new look City frontline.

The Togo international had stalled over a move to Eastlands, with reports claiming that he was unhappy with the reaction to the transfer in his homeland.

Reports in the Daily Mirror also claimed that he was waiting on a £2m pay-off from the Gunners as he did not hand in a transfer request, but it now seems as if he is set to seal his £150,000 a week deal.

Adebayor is expected to join Mark Hughes' side in the next few days as City look to continue to add to their squad with the, so far unsuccessful, captures of John Terry and Joleon Lescott.

The striker was omitted from Arsenal's squad for Saturday's pre-season friendly against Barnet although Tomas Rosicky was included in the starting line-up for his first appearance since January 2008 following his recovery from serious hamstring and knee injuries.

The Czech winger was joined by Thomas Vermaelen, who made his Gunners debut after agreeing a £10m move from Ajax.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on July 18, 2009, 10:41:41 AM
Rosicky had some good touches and played well for his first game in 19 months.
The only first team players were Almunia, Gallas, Vermaelen, Rosicky, Arshavin. For 45 mins. Vermaelen was the only player do 90.
Barazite and the rest of the reserves looked good as always.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Change on July 18, 2009, 05:04:29 PM
How de F*** Man City goin and keep all dem fowards, Craig Bellamy, Santa Cruz, Tevez, Elano, Benjani and Elano happy?????
 
At least 3 of them will be on the bench, and they will be miserable!!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on July 18, 2009, 06:24:36 PM
How de F*** Man City goin and keep all dem fowards, Craig Bellamy, Santa Cruz, Tevez, Elano, Benjani and Elano happy?????
 
At least 3 of them will be on the bench, and they will be miserable!!!!

Talk is Bellamy might be goin tuh Sunderland. Man seem tuh be chasin the money and aint thinkin about playin time. Cah wait for the drama dat sure tuh unfold! Ah wonder if Tevez will blame Diego Almando for makin him say yes tuh Citeh!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Touches on July 18, 2009, 07:13:56 PM
Santa Cruz crocked, Elano does get limited sweat, Benjani is an after thought.

Is Robinho and tevez on the wing and Ade up top.

The res of men is subs to come on in the 70 or when men jetlag from WCQ duty.

Besides they go use them fellas in Carling cup and ting.

Arghm,,,,,arsenal should get rid of bendtner, eboue and silvestre too.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on July 21, 2009, 06:56:30 AM
Nasri fractures his right fibula in training. 2-3 months.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Marcos on July 21, 2009, 07:26:22 AM
Santa Cruz crocked, Elano does get limited sweat, Benjani is an after thought.

Is Robinho and tevez on the wing and Ade up top.

The res of men is subs to come on in the 70 or when men jetlag from WCQ duty.

Besides they go use them fellas in Carling cup and ting.

Arghm,,,,,arsenal should get rid of bendtner, eboue and silvestre too.


Why you eh like bendtner so boy?
I think he will come good this year
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Touches on July 21, 2009, 08:02:42 AM
bendtner too shitty to be an arsenal player.

He could play for stoke or birmingham or sunderland...dais he calibre and be a decent player for them.

For Arsenal yuh hadda be special.

Is how much goal/sitter yuh go throw away?

Is how much game yuh go play and just too too down yuhself.

To play in the red shirt yuh need to have "craft"...he ent have dat....he is a goat.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on July 21, 2009, 08:12:54 AM
After reading Wenger book I get the feeling that the reason he does not like big squads is that he does not like confrontation with players. Big squads are a major man management headache, just ask Big Phil. However, at some point he needs to buy another striker
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on July 21, 2009, 09:22:10 AM
bendtner too shitty to be an arsenal player.

He could play for stoke or birmingham or sunderland...dais he calibre and be a decent player for them.

For Arsenal yuh hadda be special.

Is how much goal/sitter yuh go throw away?

Is how much game yuh go play and just too too down yuhself.

To play in the red shirt yuh need to have "craft"...he ent have dat....he is a goat.

I find Bendtner good.

Had games when the man real throw away. Yes.
(He could sometimes suffer from Sternsyndrome. But good players get in scoring positions and he does that).

Had a spell in the season when he was real tootsin down the place. Yes.

But there were games where he was quality and showed the potential he has.
And for the latter part of the season he looked like he had made great strides as a player.

He was only 20/21 last season and scored 9 goals in 17 starts.
I hoping he come better this year and prove people wrong cause he have real haters.

That said, I understand that a developing player shouldn't be one to rely on if you have ambitions of being a top club. But that's an issue with Arsenal rather than a criticism of Bendtner.

ps. The real TOOTS man is Philippe Senderos!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on July 21, 2009, 09:44:59 AM
I find it funny that Bendtner is called a shit player but K Jones is "developing", even though he is about 4 years older. How good was Drogba, Eto, at 21/22?
He's not good enough to be a first choice striker (which he isn't) but he will come good.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: acb on July 21, 2009, 01:33:11 PM
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/21072009/58/premier-league-nasri-breaks-leg-training.html (http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/21072009/58/premier-league-nasri-breaks-leg-training.html)

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Premier League - Nasri breaks leg in training
Eurosport - Tue, 21 Jul 15:13:00 2009

Arsenal midfielder Samir Nasri will miss the start of the Premier League season after breaking his leg in training.

The France international fractured his fibula during the Gunners' pre-season camp in Austria. Club medics expect the 22-year-old to be out for between two and three months.

He is also set to miss France's World Cup qualifiers against Faroe Islands in August and September's clashes with Romania and Group Seven leaders Serbia.

Nasri arrived at Arsenal a year ago from Marseille for around £15 million and immediately established himself as Arsene Wenger's first-choice on the left wing, scoring on his full debut in the 1-0 win over West Brom.

In all, he scored seven goals in his first season at the Emirates, including a decisive brace in the 2-1 win over Manchester United in November.

The injury blow is not as harsh as it could have been for Wenger as another left winger, Czech Tomas Rosicky, returned to action for the first time in 18 months in Saturday's pre-season friendly at Barnet.

Wenger is yet to boost the attacking contingent of his squad this summer, despite the recent sale of striker Emmanuel Adebayor to Manchester City. So far, Belgian centre-back Thomas Vermaelen is the only major addition to the Gunners' squad during the transfer window.

Tony Mabert / Eurosport
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Tenorsaw on July 21, 2009, 03:45:52 PM
Not looking too good at Emirates...long season ahead ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 22, 2009, 04:32:33 AM
yeah not bad at all

we drubbed some side in austria 7-1
BENDTNER, van persie and ramsey a brace each

as for nasri break three months but sort of solves the who to play in midfeild role and still leave room for song or denilson question

looks like we will see a midfeild of

wallcott cesc song/denilson arshavin

with van persie eduardo/bendtner upfront
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on July 22, 2009, 05:10:55 AM
yeah not bad at all

we drubbed some side in austria 7-1
BENDTNER, van persie and ramsey a brace each

as for nasri break three months but sort of solves the who to play in midfeild role and still leave room for song or denilson question

looks like we will see a midfeild of

wallcott cesc song/denilson arshavin

with van persie eduardo/bendtner upfront

I'd start Rosicky (if he's ready) instead of Walcott.

Aparantly someone was having a shot and Nasri tackled, got the ball, but got kicked. It's a fracture, not a break.
Nasri's injury doesn't really solve any problem. It creates one.
The first month of fixtures is already looking difficult, even without injuries.
We have some cover on the left though ... Arshavin, Vela, Traore.

Ramsey and Traore looked good yesterday. The kids might have a good run in the Carling Cup.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on July 22, 2009, 09:33:05 AM
So... the weekend of August 1st and 2nd is the Emirates Cup.

These should be on GolTV

01 Aug    Emirates Cup H Atletico Madrid  16:15 
02 Aug    Emirates Cup H Rangers  16:15 

And this one is on Arsenal TV Online

08 Aug    Pre-season Friendly A Valencia  20:30  ATVO   

Can't wait for the season to start ... my pre-season prep was to get a projector and a 100" screen  :)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 22, 2009, 12:10:11 PM
So... the weekend of August 1st and 2nd is the Emirates Cup.

These should be on GolTV

01 Aug    Emirates Cup H Atletico Madrid  16:15 
02 Aug    Emirates Cup H Rangers  16:15 

And this one is on Arsenal TV Online

08 Aug    Pre-season Friendly A Valencia  20:30  ATVO   

Can't wait for the season to start ... my pre-season prep was to get a projector and a 100" screen  :)


sweet! i fighting up with arsenal tv online and flow internet

and flow cable swinging dick about prem games to beshown on what channel and what cost for the coming season
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on July 22, 2009, 12:11:50 PM
I wondered if the nasri injury would make arsenal reconsider adding depth to the midfield.
At one point it was a priority and now its not getting attention.
We went from pursuing melo, to all of a sudden worrying about who will replace adebayor.
I think the midfield signing should remain the priority.
Oh, and I also think we getting Bassong.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on July 22, 2009, 12:23:49 PM
I wondered if the nasri injury would make arsenal reconsider adding depth to the midfield.
At one point it was a priority and now its not getting attention.
We went from pursuing melo, to all of a sudden worrying about who will replace adebayor.
I think the midfield signing should remain the priority.
Oh, and I also think we getting Bassong.


Replacing Adebayor shouldn't be a priority. We have enough up front. We'll see at least one more come in, and that has to be a defensive midfielder. Lorik Cana, Inler, Matuidi are availble, among others.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on July 22, 2009, 12:25:25 PM
So... the weekend of August 1st and 2nd is the Emirates Cup.

These should be on GolTV

01 Aug    Emirates Cup H Atletico Madrid  16:15 
02 Aug    Emirates Cup H Rangers  16:15 

And this one is on Arsenal TV Online

08 Aug    Pre-season Friendly A Valencia  20:30  ATVO   

Can't wait for the season to start ... my pre-season prep was to get a projector and a 100" screen  :)


sweet! i fighting up with arsenal tv online and flow internet

and flow cable swinging dick about prem games to beshown on what channel and what cost for the coming season

If you have FSC,
Saturday, Aug 15 Everton v Arsenal  12:30PM Live
Saturday, Aug 22 Arsenal v Portsmouth  10:00AM Live
Saturday, Aug 29 Manchester Utd. v Arsenal  12:00PM Live
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 23, 2009, 05:19:34 AM
 Former Arsenal defender Cashley C**t has risked angering his former club by saying he hopes big-spending Manchester City push the Gunners out of the top four this season.
The Chelsea defender thinks City's huge spending spreee this summer means they can mount a serious challenge to make the Champions League next season.

And he would rather Mark Hughes' men qualified for Europe's money-spinning competition than his former side.

"I think it's going to be hard for them but they could do. They may gel, click, straight away and it's magic. But we can't really say until we see them play. I hope they do it. I have friends there and I hope they do really well - and that they finish above Arsenal.

"I think the players they are buying are good. Obviously they have got Gareth Barry, who I know from England and he's a good player. They've got Stephen Ireland, Wrighty (Shaun Wright-Phillips), Robinho, Adebayor, Tevez. They are all good players.

Cole has been persona non grata at the Emirates ever since his controversial move across the capital to join Chelsea back in 2006.

He said he was made a "scapegoat" by Arsenal's board in his autobiography, and incensed fans further by saying he nearly crashed his car after baulking at a contract offer worth over £55,000 a week.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on July 23, 2009, 06:57:57 AM
Don't understand Arsenal at all. If they were to sell players why sell them to rival clubs in your own
league. That is a no no. Now they get the money for Adebayor, why not strengthen the squad with
at least 3 new players. Especially since he has injury prone players like Van Persie, Rosiky, Eduardo
etc.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: takenoprisoners on July 24, 2009, 01:35:03 AM
Arsenal fans treated me unfairly, says Manchester City striker Emmanuel Adebayor


Manchester City’s latest acquisition Emmanuel Adebayor insists his move to Eastlands is not motivated by money and has hit back at Arsenal fans who turned on him last season after several big European clubs had expressed an interest in buying him.
......

“I had played my heart out for that club and gave it my best and the way the fans behaved towards me was not nice at all. I was in the same position as Cesc. Every summer Barcelona tried to sign him, but the fans never turned on him.”

........

“I know a lot of people will be saying ‘He went for the money.’ However I would like to hear of any man, if he is honest, say he would refuse if he was earning £10 and someone offered £30,” Adebayor said.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/arsenal/5898495/Arsenal-fans-treated-me-unfairly-says-Manchester-City-striker-Emmanuel-Adebayor.html
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 24, 2009, 02:24:38 AM
fans turned on him because his attitude on the pitch did no treflect the urgency or commitment we were begging
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: takenoprisoners on July 24, 2009, 02:40:12 AM
fans turned on him because his attitude on the pitch did no treflect the urgency or commitment we were begging

True, dais what it boils down to, hope he has learned that from this experience.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on July 24, 2009, 05:38:10 AM
fans turned on him because his attitude on the pitch did no treflect the urgency or commitment we were begging

True, dais what it boils down to, hope he has learned that from this experience.

I don't think he learned anything. He thinks the only reason they turned on him was because of interest from other clubs.
Last summer he said things like " I am an Arsenal player. But you never know what could happen"
Then "Milan is like Beyonce calling for you", "I'll play like Henry when i'm paid like Henry"
Added to being lazy on the pitch, doesn't know the offside rule. (Edit: and headbutting his teammate)
That's why the fans turned on him ... because they know he was giving a huge pay rise after one good season, where he scored 30 being fed on a plate by the most creative midfield in the league. And 20% of those goals was against the worst defence (Derby)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: SOBRIQUET on July 24, 2009, 07:47:32 AM
Do yuh thing boy Addy.... Doe study dem spoilt, fikkle Arsenal fans.... Look how they boo down Eboue too.  No blasted grattitude.  Steven Gerrard was flirting with Chelsea 2 seasons straight and never get the treatment you did.  Didier Drogba forever making comments about who wants him and how he want to leave.  The list goes on and on.  Now they sour-grapsing yuh up, talking chupidness bout lazy and selfish and ting. Go to a club that appreciate yuh goals, yuh aerial prowess, guile and skill.  I hate Arsenal to the core, but you (and the old, un-crocked Van Persie) was two men i feared like rotweiller in a dark alley.  Let them fight up with midget Silva and shit-snake Bendtner this season.  They go bawl fuh yuh Addy... They go bawwwwl....Watch and see....
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 24, 2009, 08:46:53 AM
Do yuh thing boy Addy.... Doe study dem spoilt, fikkle Arsenal fans.... Look how they boo down Eboue too.  No blasted grattitude.  Steven Gerrard was flirting with Chelsea 2 seasons straight and never get the treatment you did.  Didier Drogba forever making comments about who wants him and how he want to leave.  The list goes on and on.  Now they sour-grapsing yuh up, talking chupidness bout lazy and selfish and ting. Go to a club that appreciate yuh goals, yuh aerial prowess, guile and skill.  I hate Arsenal to the core, but you (and the old, un-crocked Van Persie) was two men i feared like rotweiller in a dark alley.  Let them fight up with midget Silva and shit-snake Bendtner this season.  They go bawl fuh yuh Addy... They go bawwwwl....Watch and see....
Stevie G and Relaxor Drogba never butted team mates, eboue played shite, you ever see a sub get subbed for performance in the EPL?? your points are based on hate of arsenal not relevant facts or the valu eof commitment and loyaly, watch and see as the old arsenal ways of goals from all over return, making things easier for the strikers to increase thier own tallys. a mid feild of arshavin rosicky wallcot cesc (nasri when back) youngsters like ramsey and wilshire, thats just attacking creative players, then fire power like eduardo van persie vela bendtner wil prove doubters wrong this season his goals tally have increased season to season so rock so with yuh bs counter points Ade was and always will be a mercenary he sulked and protested to leave monaco countless tiffs with his counties FA the man is a primadonna no amount of justicfication about making top dollar justifies you actions as a MAN act like one shown honor commitment truth and loyalty
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: acb on July 24, 2009, 09:09:05 AM
There was an earlier version to this article where he said that he came from a poor city and a poor country, and that he was simply an ambitious footballer.

He went on to say that it was Wegner who decided to sell him because Arsenal needed the raise the funds.

WRT to accusations of him moving for money, he also said if any one of Arsenal fans were working for £10 and got an offer to do the same job for £30 - that they would switch jobs, so how is he any different?

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/24072009/63/adebayor-blames-fans-departure.html (http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/24072009/63/adebayor-blames-fans-departure.html)

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Adebayor blames fans for departure
Fri 24 Jul, 03:37 PM

New Manchester City recruit Emmanuel Adebayor has blamed his decision to leave Arsenal on his poor relationship with the club's fans.

The Togo international was booed by sections of the Gunners faithful last term after a summer which saw him strongly linked with a move away from the Emirates Stadium, before he confirmed their suspicions by leaving for Manchester City for £25million this summer.

"The way the fans behaved towards me was not nice at all. I can't understand why they were after me. I did my best for them and I was very happy there," said Adebayor.

"I scored 30 goals in a season - it's not my fault that Milan, Barcelona or Real Madrid wanted to sign me.

"In any summer, Barcelona try to sign Cesc Fabregas. But the fans never turned on him."

Adebayor's arrival at Eastlands, along with fellow strikers Roque Santa Cruz and Carlos Tevez, has already seen Felipe Caicedo leave the club on a year-long loan to Sporting Lisbon and reports suggest Bulgaria forward Valeri Bojinov could be next to go.

Serie A side Lazio are thought to be leading the running.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on July 24, 2009, 09:17:30 AM
There was an earlier version to this article where he said that he came from a poor city and a poor country, and that he was simply an ambitious footballer.

He went on to say that it was Wegner who decided to sell him because Arsenal needed the raise the funds.

WRT to accusations of him moving for money, he also said if any one of Arsenal fans were working for £10 and got an offer to do the same job for £30 - that they would switch jobs, so how is he any different?

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/24072009/63/adebayor-blames-fans-departure.html (http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/24072009/63/adebayor-blames-fans-departure.html)

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Adebayor blames fans for departure
Fri 24 Jul, 03:37 PM

New Manchester City recruit Emmanuel Adebayor has blamed his decision to leave Arsenal on his poor relationship with the club's fans.

The Togo international was booed by sections of the Gunners faithful last term after a summer which saw him strongly linked with a move away from the Emirates Stadium, before he confirmed their suspicions by leaving for Manchester City for £25million this summer.

"The way the fans behaved towards me was not nice at all. I can't understand why they were after me. I did my best for them and I was very happy there," said Adebayor.

"I scored 30 goals in a season - it's not my fault that Milan, Barcelona or Real Madrid wanted to sign me.

"In any summer, Barcelona try to sign Cesc Fabregas. But the fans never turned on him." [/b]

Adebayor's arrival at Eastlands, along with fellow strikers Roque Santa Cruz and Carlos Tevez, has already seen Felipe Caicedo leave the club on a year-long loan to Sporting Lisbon and reports suggest Bulgaria forward Valeri Bojinov could be next to go.

Serie A side Lazio are thought to be leading the running.


ACB, the fans never turn on Cesc because whenever another "story" comes out, he immediately issues a
statement on Arsenal.com saying he is fully comitted and going nowhere.
Adebayor responded by saying "anything can happen" and "Milan is like Beyonce", and follows that with a
very lazy season not justifying his huge increase over the summer.

Cesc may leave eventually, Arsenal fans know that he is a Barcelona boy and Pep is his idol.
But credit to him for always coming out and saying he isn't leaving (yet)

Ade is no way compares to a fan leaving a job for more money. They don't make anything close
to what he does. People pay more than they can afford to go to games, and Arsenal's ticket
prices are one of the highest.

I don't know about everyone else, but 60,000 people don't show up to sing my name at my job.
What will he get with 170,000/week that he couldn't get with 100,000 / wk?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on July 24, 2009, 09:26:42 AM
Do yuh thing boy Addy.... Doe study dem spoilt, fikkle Arsenal fans.... Look how they boo down Eboue too.  No blasted grattitude.  Steven Gerrard was flirting with Chelsea 2 seasons straight and never get the treatment you did.  Didier Drogba forever making comments about who wants him and how he want to leave.  The list goes on and on.  Now they sour-grapsing yuh up, talking chupidness bout lazy and selfish and ting. Go to a club that appreciate yuh goals, yuh aerial prowess, guile and skill.  I hate Arsenal to the core, but you (and the old, un-crocked Van Persie) was two men i feared like rotweiller in a dark alley.  Let them fight up with midget Silva and shit-snake Bendtner this season.  They go bawl fuh yuh Addy... They go bawwwwl....Watch and see....

You're right. We are spoilt. We're spoilt because we support a club with history and a club who didn't have to buy their way to have some supporters. Maybe you're happy with your players flirting with other clubs, but then again you can't complain because if wasn't for that Chelsea wouldn't have anybody. If wasn't for the tapping up of players and late-night meetings in hotels.
But Adebayor can't expect 60,000 people to sing his name after last summer and this past season.

Arsenal fans are spoilt because they're used to players who are passionate about the club, and players who are about more than the money. And Adebayor doesn't come close.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on July 24, 2009, 10:34:06 AM
Do yuh thing boy Addy.... Doe study dem spoilt, fikkle Arsenal fans.... Look how they boo down Eboue too.  No blasted grattitude.  Steven Gerrard was flirting with Chelsea 2 seasons straight and never get the treatment you did.  Didier Drogba forever making comments about who wants him and how he want to leave.  The list goes on and on.  Now they sour-grapsing yuh up, talking chupidness bout lazy and selfish and ting. Go to a club that appreciate yuh goals, yuh aerial prowess, guile and skill.  I hate Arsenal to the core, but you (and the old, un-crocked Van Persie) was two men i feared like rotweiller in a dark alley.  Let them fight up with midget Silva and shit-snake Bendtner this season.  They go bawl fuh yuh Addy... They go bawwwwl....Watch and see....

You're right. We are spoilt. We're spoilt because we support a club with history and a club who didn't have to buy their way to have some supporters. Maybe you're happy with your players flirting with other clubs, but then again you can't complain because if wasn't for that Chelsea wouldn't have anybody. If wasn't for the tapping up of players and late-night meetings in hotels.
But Adebayor can't expect 60,000 people to sing his name after last summer and this past season.

Arsenal fans are spoilt because they're used to players who are passionate about the club, and players who are about more than the money. And Adebayor doesn't come close.


there's that word again.. "history".

what a place this football world would be if everyone just supported teams based on what they did 100 years ago.

what has history done for your club in the last 5 trophyless years?

Funny how players are passionate about their club when they settle for being paid less than market value, yet when the club turns around and sells the player off for an obscene greed-fuelled profit, its great business.

Where was your club's loyalty with respect to Dennis Bergkamp, Robert Pires, Gilberto Silva and Patrick Vieira with those insuting 1 year rolling contracts that were put on the table? Or does loyalty end at age 30?   ::)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 24, 2009, 11:04:31 AM
There was an earlier version to this article where he said that he came from a poor city and a poor country, and that he was simply an ambitious footballer.

He went on to say that it was Wegner who decided to sell him because Arsenal needed the raise the funds.

WRT to accusations of him moving for money, he also said if any one of Arsenal fans were working for £10 and got an offer to do the same job for £30 - that they would switch jobs, so how is he any different?

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/24072009/63/adebayor-blames-fans-departure.html (http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/24072009/63/adebayor-blames-fans-departure.html)

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Adebayor blames fans for departure
Fri 24 Jul, 03:37 PM

New Manchester City recruit Emmanuel Adebayor has blamed his decision to leave Arsenal on his poor relationship with the club's fans.

The Togo international was booed by sections of the Gunners faithful last term after a summer which saw him strongly linked with a move away from the Emirates Stadium, before he confirmed their suspicions by leaving for Manchester City for £25million this summer.

"The way the fans behaved towards me was not nice at all. I can't understand why they were after me. I did my best for them and I was very happy there," said Adebayor.

"I scored 30 goals in a season - it's not my fault that Milan, Barcelona or Real Madrid wanted to sign me.

"In any summer, Barcelona try to sign Cesc Fabregas. But the fans never turned on him."

Adebayor's arrival at Eastlands, along with fellow strikers Roque Santa Cruz and Carlos Tevez, has already seen Felipe Caicedo leave the club on a year-long loan to Sporting Lisbon and reports suggest Bulgaria forward Valeri Bojinov could be next to go.

Serie A side Lazio are thought to be leading the running.


because he is earning over 100,000 a week where as the arsenal fan only earns 400 a week to 1200 a week so his arguement holds little water

his grouse about cesc not being treated badly because other clubs want him is petulant behavoiur, cesc gives a hundred percent everytime, of all the players handed the captains armband adebayor has never worn it that alone should tell you something
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 24, 2009, 11:06:11 AM
Do yuh thing boy Addy.... Doe study dem spoilt, fikkle Arsenal fans.... Look how they boo down Eboue too.  No blasted grattitude.  Steven Gerrard was flirting with Chelsea 2 seasons straight and never get the treatment you did.  Didier Drogba forever making comments about who wants him and how he want to leave.  The list goes on and on.  Now they sour-grapsing yuh up, talking chupidness bout lazy and selfish and ting. Go to a club that appreciate yuh goals, yuh aerial prowess, guile and skill.  I hate Arsenal to the core, but you (and the old, un-crocked Van Persie) was two men i feared like rotweiller in a dark alley.  Let them fight up with midget Silva and shit-snake Bendtner this season.  They go bawl fuh yuh Addy... They go bawwwwl....Watch and see....

You're right. We are spoilt. We're spoilt because we support a club with history and a club who didn't have to buy their way to have some supporters. Maybe you're happy with your players flirting with other clubs, but then again you can't complain because if wasn't for that Chelsea wouldn't have anybody. If wasn't for the tapping up of players and late-night meetings in hotels.
But Adebayor can't expect 60,000 people to sing his name after last summer and this past season.

Arsenal fans are spoilt because they're used to players who are passionate about the club, and players who are about more than the money. And Adebayor doesn't come close.


there's that word again.. "history".

what a place this football world would be if everyone just supported teams based on what they did 100 years ago.

what has history done for your club in the last 5 trophyless years?

Funny how players are passionate about their club when they settle for being paid less than market value, yet when the club turns around and sells the player off for an obscene greed-fuelled profit, its great business.

Where was your club's loyalty with respect to Dennis Bergkamp, Robert Pires, Gilberto Silva and Patrick Vieira with those insuting 1 year rolling contracts that were put on the table? Or does loyalty end at age 30?   ::)

spoken like a chelsea fan (guessing) but i guess liverpools wins in the past and manu wins in the past are all cancelled at the start of the new season? stupid arguement stupid
as for one year contracts? SAF is doingit too benitez and many other clubs doing th esame thing and bergkamp retired didnt move on  so there must be something about the way we treated him
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 24, 2009, 11:12:03 AM
ian wright was loved by the fans for two reasons
he scored goals (hes a frickin forward arsenal second highest)
he played with passion pride commitment and loyalty

tony adams mr arsenal top notch centre back and leader played for arsenal all his life
loved by the fans

yes sections of the fans are fickle but you win no one one pointing fingers back at them and acting like a queen looking back at highlights of last season i noticed something, every goal ade scored he was mobbed but quickly moved on, any goal celebration with others he joined in but was the first to move away, his bodylanguage was certainly not the same when he scored 30 the season before
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: SOBRIQUET on July 24, 2009, 11:18:30 AM
 Thank you Dinho.  Maryland Trini, no one "likes" when their players are linked to other teams, or don't show their "loyalty," right off the bat, when rumours are circulating.  But football is more of a business.  It's a business not only for the clubs, but for the players as well.  Your club, as Dinho points out has some ridiculous policies wheareas players salaries/age is concerned.  How would you feel if your employer set an age barrier for some employees and not others when it comes to new contracts.  how is that looking out for the employees well being?   

Adebayor has all the right to flirt elsewhere, as well as any player does, in seeking a better (WINNING) club and better wages.  Maybe if arsenal WON something in his time there, or bought the players/show the ambition to WIN something he would have showed the "loyalty" you talk about.  How much longer you giving Cesc?  I want you to go back and look at you and gunner-stunner's pre-season posts for the past couple years.  You guys repeat the same shit every year now.  "Potential,"  "Young," and "We sould have enough" are catch phrases constantly used. 

Stop.  Everybody and they grand-mammy could see that you DO NOT have the power to compete with the TOP THREE anymore.  It's been more of a question of when Arsenal is going to drop out of the "top four" (and i use that term loosely), than when you are going to actually challenge for the title again.  The point spread between you and the top finishing team the past 5 years has been deplorable.   You just lost your best striker.  Your team just got weaker.  That team is miles away from a serious title challenge yet another season...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on July 24, 2009, 11:37:06 AM
Don't understand where you get some of your facts from. In the 2007-08 season Arsenal finished third, two points off Chelsea and 4 points off Champions ManU.  Only last year they finished 4th with a huge gap. But you are right they need to capture some silver. They can no longer talk about rebuilding. Selling Ade was a good shout, especially when you consider what they got for him. Selling him to a potential rival club was a poor decision. Arsenal should throw some chum in Real's water for Huntelaar (I am certain Real will bite) & look to purchase a genuine ball winner in MF.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: palos on July 24, 2009, 11:44:17 AM
Is this thread going to continue into the new season or does everything Arsenal for the new season get merged into a new "Arsenal Forever" thread?

As opposed to the separate standard for Manchester United on this board where new threads are allowed to sprout up all de time.  8)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on July 24, 2009, 11:52:38 AM
You guys fail to realise that Arsenal has the second highest wage bill in the premiership. Our players are paid well. Cesc/Gallas/Ade was on around 100,000 / wk. Which is their market wage. Just because some clubs are offering above-market, doesn't mean we're not average. And our wages aren't as skewed as other clubs, where some guys make five times as much as the other guy.

Bergkamp was offered one year contracts and stayed at the club for 10 years. What's your point? He stayed till he was 36/37.
Paddy was sold at the right time. He was having injury problems.
Gilberto was treated very well, Arsenal repaid him for his service by reducing the transfer fee so that he could get a bigger signing on.

A club with history means that I won't suddenly stop supporting a team because they haven't won anything in 5 years. It's about more than that. You stick with them through drought and wait till they start winning something again. Manchester United had a period like that, Barcelona had similar. Did their fans jump ship to a "winning team" at that point, or stick it out?
If the only thing a football fan was concerned about was a trophy, then he would just wait till May and look at the table after 38 games. I enjoy every win, get depressed at every loss, and at the end of the year if we don't win anything say "we'll try again next season"

If Adebayor wanted to 'win things' he should've tried a little harder and make a difference. That's the problem we had with him. More than the flirting with other clubs. It was also his behaviour on the pitch.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on July 24, 2009, 11:55:19 AM
Don't understand where you get some of your facts from. In the 2007-08 season Arsenal finished third, two points off Chelsea and 4 points off Champions ManU.  Only last year they finished 4th with a huge gap. But you are right they need to capture some silver. They can no longer talk about rebuilding. Selling Ade was a good shout, especially when you consider what they got for him. Selling him to a potential rival club was a poor decision. Arsenal should throw some chum in Real's water for Huntelaar (I am certain Real will bite) & look to purchase a genuine ball winner in MF.

Don't forget Champions league final in 2006, and two semis last year
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on July 24, 2009, 12:35:37 PM
You guys fail to realise that Arsenal has the second highest wage bill in the premiership. Our players are paid well. Cesc/Gallas/Ade was on around 100,000 / wk. Which is their market wage. Just because some clubs are offering above-market, doesn't mean we're not average. And our wages aren't as skewed as other clubs, where some guys make five times as much as the other guy.

Bergkamp was offered one year contracts and stayed at the club for 10 years. What's your point? He stayed till he was 36/37.
Paddy was sold at the right time. He was having injury problems.
Gilberto was treated very well, Arsenal repaid him for his service by reducing the transfer fee so that he could get a bigger signing on.

A club with history means that I won't suddenly stop supporting a team because they haven't won anything in 5 years. It's about more than that. You stick with them through drought and wait till they start winning something again. Manchester United had a period like that, Barcelona had similar. Did their fans jump ship to a "winning team" at that point, or stick it out?
If the only thing a football fan was concerned about was a trophy, then he would just wait till May and look at the table after 38 games. I enjoy every win, get depressed at every loss, and at the end of the year if we don't win anything say "we'll try again next season"

If Adebayor wanted to 'win things' he should've tried a little harder and make a difference. That's the problem we had with him. More than the flirting with other clubs. It was also his behaviour on the pitch.

You're missing my point about this whole issue of history. I've been down this road many a time before, but lets touch on this again.

Nowhere did I say anything about jumping ship. I would agree with you, its hard to respect someone who jumps on teams when they're winning... cue a vast number of Man United and ex Chicago bulls fans around these parts. Similarly, it would be hard for me to understand a man who jump on chelsea or man city as soon as they start winning..

That said, its similarly hard for me to understand the man who starts paying attention to a sport and just decides that he is a fan of the team or player that is winning. And whether or not you care to admit it, thats the case of 90% of the so call die hard fans on this board. Its not like you were born in the city. Its not like your Dad was taking you to the games.. Its not that there is some common vein that connected you to a club. You are a Trinidadian following the game on TV ffs. You are backing Manchester United because you woke up a football fan one day and decided to back the team that was on top. I can tell you that is not why I started supporting Chelsea. Its so much more gratifying to associate yourself with a team you grow to like for any number of reasons, and then watch them progress to the finished product and then finally taste success..

This whole history thing is a big cop out that gets repeated especially when someone's team is doing well. "My team is shit now but we won 5 titles in the 1970s".. Yuh was alive in de 1970s?? I only care about the history that you were a part of as a fan.

I say the whole argument of history is shit because it is an argument for entitlement. Football is only a little over 100 years ago, so the teams that have history will always have history to the end of the time, regardless or what happens.. Furthermore, the argument tells me that there is no merit in supporting a new club until they make history to speak of, and I probably won't live that long.

As an aside, the whole argument of money is also a shit argument that is a by-product of the entitlement to success felt by these perennial clubs. A new club should not be able to invest heavily to target success, rather they should "pay their dues" to make it to the top, while the bigger clubs rape them of their best players year after year to maintain their positions at the top of the game. :bs:

As a final aside the arguments about who's club has the most morals is also another bullshit argument but i tired typing.

I am living in the present and I have no qualms backing a club thats in the process of making history.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on July 24, 2009, 01:47:15 PM
Don't understand where you get some of your facts from. In the 2007-08 season Arsenal finished third, two points off Chelsea and 4 points off Champions ManU.  Only last year they finished 4th with a huge gap. But you are right they need to capture some silver. They can no longer talk about rebuilding. Selling Ade was a good shout, especially when you consider what they got for him. Selling him to a potential rival club was a poor decision. Arsenal should throw some chum in Real's water for Huntelaar (I am certain Real will bite) & look to purchase a genuine ball winner in MF.

I was thinking the same thing. Until eduardo broke his leg in the 2007/08 arsenal looked like they were going to win the title. And that was a team that missed van persie and rosicky for most of the season. It was only after that injury that arsenal fell apart and their lead slipped away.

Since then the key players to leave were adebayor, flamini, hleb and gilberto.
Since then Arsenal has signed vermaelen, arshavin, nasri.
So add a returning eduardo, rosicky and a less injury prone (based on last season) van persie, plus improving players like walcott etc. and you realise that the side hasnt regressed

I'm not saying we don't need to strengthen in some areas
But saying that we are far off is a statement based on last season (and more specifically, the first half of it).
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 24, 2009, 02:03:10 PM
Thank you Dinho.  Maryland Trini, no one "likes" when their players are linked to other teams, or don't show their "loyalty," right off the bat, when rumours are circulating.  But football is more of a business.  It's a business not only for the clubs, but for the players as well.  Your club, as Dinho points out has some ridiculous policies wheareas players salaries/age is concerned.  How would you feel if your employer set an age barrier for some employees and not others when it comes to new contracts.  how is that looking out for the employees well being?   

Adebayor has all the right to flirt elsewhere, as well as any player does, in seeking a better (WINNING) club and better wages.  Maybe if arsenal WON something in his time there, or bought the players/show the ambition to WIN something he would have showed the "loyalty" you talk about.  How much longer you giving Cesc?  I want you to go back and look at you and gunner-stunner's pre-season posts for the past couple years.  You guys repeat the same shit every year now.  "Potential,"  "Young," and "We sould have enough" are catch phrases constantly used. 

Stop.  Everybody and they grand-mammy could see that you DO NOT have the power to compete with the TOP THREE anymore.  It's been more of a question of when Arsenal is going to drop out of the "top four" (and i use that term loosely), than when you are going to actually challenge for the title again.  The point spread between you and the top finishing team the past 5 years has been deplorable.   You just lost your best striker.  Your team just got weaker.  That team is miles away from a serious title challenge yet another season...
bs rants all bs arsenal are very very very close to wining it just had soem seriouslys unlcky breaks not even going to list them becuase you will just say i am rehashing old excuses but they are the same ones eveyr year, break legs hamstrings recurring injuries longterm inuries etc and again there are clubs that would give all just to be where we are
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 24, 2009, 02:07:29 PM
You guys fail to realise that Arsenal has the second highest wage bill in the premiership. Our players are paid well. Cesc/Gallas/Ade was on around 100,000 / wk. Which is their market wage. Just because some clubs are offering above-market, doesn't mean we're not average. And our wages aren't as skewed as other clubs, where some guys make five times as much as the other guy.

Bergkamp was offered one year contracts and stayed at the club for 10 years. What's your point? He stayed till he was 36/37.
Paddy was sold at the right time. He was having injury problems.
Gilberto was treated very well, Arsenal repaid him for his service by reducing the transfer fee so that he could get a bigger signing on.

A club with history means that I won't suddenly stop supporting a team because they haven't won anything in 5 years. It's about more than that. You stick with them through drought and wait till they start winning something again. Manchester United had a period like that, Barcelona had similar. Did their fans jump ship to a "winning team" at that point, or stick it out?
If the only thing a football fan was concerned about was a trophy, then he would just wait till May and look at the table after 38 games. I enjoy every win, get depressed at every loss, and at the end of the year if we don't win anything say "we'll try again next season"

If Adebayor wanted to 'win things' he should've tried a little harder and make a difference. That's the problem we had with him. More than the flirting with other clubs. It was also his behaviour on the pitch.

You're missing my point about this whole issue of history. I've been down this road many a time before, but lets touch on this again.

Nowhere did I say anything about jumping ship. I would agree with you, its hard to respect someone who jumps on teams when they're winning... cue a vast number of Man United and ex Chicago bulls fans around these parts. Similarly, it would be hard for me to understand a man who jump on chelsea or man city as soon as they start winning..

That said, its similarly hard for me to understand the man who starts paying attention to a sport and just decides that he is a fan of the team or player that is winning. And whether or not you care to admit it, thats the case of 90% of the so call die hard fans on this board. Its not like you were born in the city. Its not like your Dad was taking you to the games.. Its not that there is some common vein that connected you to a club. You are a Trinidadian following the game on TV ffs. You are backing Manchester United because you woke up a football fan one day and decided to back the team that was on top. I can tell you that is not why I started supporting Chelsea. Its so much more gratifying to associate yourself with a team you grow to like for any number of reasons, and then watch them progress to the finished product and then finally taste success..

This whole history thing is a big cop out that gets repeated especially when someone's team is doing well. "My team is shit now but we won 5 titles in the 1970s".. Yuh was alive in de 1970s?? I only care about the history that you were a part of as a fan.

I say the whole argument of history is shit because it is an argument for entitlement. Football is only a little over 100 years ago, so the teams that have history will always have history to the end of the time, regardless or what happens.. Furthermore, the argument tells me that there is no merit in supporting a new club until they make history to speak of, and I probably won't live that long.

As an aside, the whole argument of money is also a shit argument that is a by-product of the entitlement to success felt by these perennial clubs. A new club should not be able to invest heavily to target success, rather they should "pay their dues" to make it to the top, while the bigger clubs rape them of their best players year after year to maintain their positions at the top of the game. :bs:

As a final aside the arguments about who's club has the most morals is also another bullshit argument but i tired typing.

I am living in the present and I have no qualms backing a club thats in the process of making history.
as for why i support arsenal there are many reasons, my first football as a kid was an arsenal football back in the 80's when everyone supported liverpool, then the 90's everyone was manu and more so when dwight went thier, i still remainded arsenal, then lived in london for 5 years and arrived same season wenger arrived had the opportunity to go to highbury twice in that time, only other stadium been to besides local was old wembly
so i migth not have been born in highbury but i certainly grew up and my love for arsenal grew with me it grew even stronger when i moved back and yes during those years we won and my supporting years we gained history two doubles several fa cusps unbeaten season so yeah i wear my arsenal supporrt on my sleeve with pride
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on July 24, 2009, 02:14:34 PM
gunner wasn't talking specifically about you, we went thru all dis before, but tell meh yuh eh see meh point nah!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Marcos on July 24, 2009, 03:01:35 PM
Dinho horse you talking like a BOSSSSSSSSSSSS

Big up both your posts. I think the same thing.

You think any of these men who are now "die hard" ManU, Arsenal, and Barca fans woulda ever support them if they were rank shite?

They all started supporting them becasue they had some measure of success.

They just like to sit on their high horse and act like they better than anybody else who now finding their team.

And what is wrong with a lesser-known club shelling out cash to get better players? Not a dam ting. They need to do that to attract top talent, just like any young business. They don't have the established name to attract players.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: SOBRIQUET on July 24, 2009, 04:52:32 PM
2004/2005   Chelsea 95 points   Arsenal 83 points   12 points
2005/2006   Chelsea 91 points   Arsenal 67 points   24 points
2006/2007   Man U 89 points   Arsenal 68 points     21 points
2007/2008   Man U 87 points   Arsenal 83 points     4 points
2007/2008   Man U 90 points   Arsenal 72 points     18 points

Facts..... 2007/2008 is more an outlier when it comes to tha last 5 years, Mr Gunner.  As i said, ya'll FAR off still and just lost your best striker. Look Sunderland just buy one ah allyuh "top prospects" too for a cool 5 Milli...  haha... allyuh aint fed up take picong? http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/s/sunderland/8168337.stm
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 25, 2009, 05:02:56 PM
Written by Asser Ghozlan on Friday, July 24, 2009

"If we buy players, it will certainly not be players who lack experience, we have enough of those..."

The words of Arsène Wenger following our Champions League exit at the hands of Manchester United back in May. Not only that, in the article from which I lifted this quote on Arsenal.com, the article states that Wenger "vows" to strengthen in "key areas".

Hello again. Though it seems like only yesterday when I pointed out the need for a takeover for us to have any say in anything major in English football, it also seems like an age ago, where, with my stress of endless exams and deadlines, and the somewhat convenience of a relatively quiet summer of football; certainly as far as Arsenal are concerned, I have now come back to share one or two bones of contention regarding things Arsenal.

How apt it is then to begin with the aforementioned snippet from the horse's mouth, with Wenger himself having acknowledged the need for strength and experience if we are to progress. However, rather alarmingly, and with Wenger having previously pointed that he had wanted to tie up his transfer dealings prior to the team's pre-season tour of Austria and Hungary, the experience and strength that Wenger had suggested he had finally recognised we were lacking, two qualities Gooners have been gagging for for months, if not years, have not arrived.

And in fact, they do not look like arriving any time soon, with Wenger "not in a hurry to buy" and having a "great belief in our squad"!

It has taken Le Boss two months and two pre-season friendlies (where we all know at least half of the players involved won't play much of a part next season) for him to seemingly go back full circle and declare his contentment at the talent at his disposal.

Now whilst I wholeheartedly believe that we do indeed have a squad full of quality, and whilst Wenger has moved to bring in Thomas Vermaelen, seemingly addressing one major weakness in the team, it is fair to assume that everyone agrees with me when I say that we are, despite the talent and technique, a defensive midfielder short of winning the title or Champions League. A strong, towering holding midfielder, of the highest calibre.

It all looked set to happen with Wenger's apparent pursuit of the then Fiorentina hardman, Felipe Melo. Admittedly, I had never heard of the guy prior to the Confederations Cup; however, watching his performances and reading up on his rise to stardom in Serie A, I quickly realised that here was potentially another Gilberto Silva, perhaps even with a bit more class and passing ability, with the Arsenal legend himself advising Melo to sign on.

Ultimately, Melo opted to stay in Italy and Juventus helped themselves to a class act. Now whether our failure to land him was due to Melo's preference for the Italian job or because Wenger did not want to let go of his prodigal son (that's Eboué to you and me) we shall never know, but you sense that Wenger was indeed ready to chase that elusive midfield player. It remains to be seen whether he intends to carry on the chase, and such intentions will surely unfold in the next few weeks, but as it stands, I won't be holding my breath!

For it seems that we are now after a striker. Yes, another goalscorer. Following on from perhaps one of Wenger's best moves ever in the transfer market in getting rid of one of the laziest, greediest and most ungrateful men I have ever seen in an Arsenal shirt (and ripping Manchester City off in the process), all the talk surrounding the Club has been with regards to signing a replacement for the enigmatically foolish (and terminally offside) Adebayor, with rumours regarding a new defensive midfielder slowly subsiding into non-existence.

Once again, and although the manager himself has intimated that we do indeed possess the necessary firepower, it seems that Wenger's love for attacking football is forever getting the better of him, as the names keep getting bandied around.

Now, whilst I initially agreed with the view that the £25 million gratefully accepted for Adebayor's departure should be spent on a striker and defensive midfielder (as we do not seem to have any other cash available), on reflection, I realised that we have an embarrassment of riches in attack, so much so that, with van Persie seemingly a given for a starting role, we can even deploy Arshavin in the "hole", not forgetting Eduardo, Walcott, Vela, and, painfully, Bendtner, all vying for a starting spot alongside the Dutchman. Which renders our supposed chases for Chamakh, a good but by no means prolific marksman, and Huntelaar, a massively talented goal poacher, rather futile. Not that I would complain if we got either of them, of course, it is just simply time to address that glaring hole in the midfield.

So the chase goes on. And having mentioned the names of the members of our artillery it is easy to back up my claims that next season will be a fruitful one, but only if we can augment that attack with a strong spine. Although unproven, Vermaelen comes with many positive reviews, ones which I am unable to comment on as I have not seen him in action. With such a fine line between success and failure, Wenger would be best advised to use every ounce of his energy and experience to lure a truly domineering figure in midfield that would stand up to the rigours of football at the highest level. A player who can be a match to the engines of a United, or a Chelsea, or a Liverpool, all of whom have recognised holding midfielders, and all of whom have finished above us last season.

And, with at least £25 million in the bank, there will be no excuses should that signing fail to materialise. Unless of course, Le Boss brings in £25 million's worth of 7-foot, 100m sprinting 15-year-old Franco-African prodigies...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 25, 2009, 05:03:59 PM
gunner wasn't talking specifically about you, we went thru all dis before, but tell meh yuh eh see meh point nah!

yeah totally it have men in as little as the last 5 years switch colour of shirt colours they support.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on July 25, 2009, 05:20:33 PM
tell Wenger stop sticking and buy Huntelaar..

he could be had for a bargain right now, 18m pounds for ah young Ruud.

at least make it interesting for chelsea nah...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on July 25, 2009, 06:37:26 PM


at least make it interesting for chelsea nah...

what, 4 3rd place?  :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on July 26, 2009, 07:29:46 AM
Gunnerstunner, Arsene didn't buy Melo cause he isn't worth 25 million. If you're spending 25 mil on a CDM, better you get Inler or Tolulan.

Lorik Cana went to Sunderland for 5 or 6 mil. If only Sunderland wanted him, he might just be a youtube God and nothing else.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on July 26, 2009, 07:32:36 AM
Sir Alex claims ''desperate'' Adebayor approach

Sir Alex Ferguson has not been shy to engage in a war of words with his city rivals this weekend, and on Sunday he turned it up a notch by claiming Emmanuel Adebayor was offered to both United and Chelsea before he put pen to paper on a deal at Eastlands.

It is claimed that either Adebayor or his agents made a "desperate" bid to engineer a move to a top four club before committing to Mark Hughes' side. It confirms stories in the press at the time which did state the Red Devils had been approached and invited to make an offer.

There was a delay in Togo international Adebayor penning his City deal, and Sir Alex said: "When someone offers you that kind of money, it is a big attraction. That is the reason they have gone there.

"At the last minute, from what I can gather, either Emmanuel Adebayor or his agent phoned us after they had agreed a deal with City and then did the same with Chelsea. He was desperate to get to either Chelsea or us."

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on July 26, 2009, 09:01:13 AM
Ade still showing his consistency for city, he throw away in their lost in SA.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on July 26, 2009, 11:02:40 AM
Ade still showing his consistency for city, he throw away in their lost in SA.

And I bet he was offside 10-15 times
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 26, 2009, 10:31:57 PM
Gunnerstunner, Arsene didn't buy Melo cause he isn't worth 25 million. If you're spending 25 mil on a CDM, better you get Inler or Tolulan.

Lorik Cana went to Sunderland for 5 or 6 mil. If only Sunderland wanted him, he might just be a youtube God and nothing else.

Chamakh went sunderland too
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on July 27, 2009, 01:34:30 PM
Chamakh went sunderland too

Don't think so. Not yet, at least.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Marcos on July 27, 2009, 02:47:35 PM
Bendtner mash up d dance today. Where all d haters? 15 goals from him this year
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on July 27, 2009, 03:05:40 PM
Bendtner mash up d dance today. Where all d haters? 15 goals from him this year

You watched?!  Bendnter looked good on the day (but de grain ah salt is) against ah real shitty lookin side.  Despite that I liked his movement and composure (yeah I watched it).
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 27, 2009, 09:54:29 PM
we need more fitness
and we hadda win the emirates cup
paris st germain, rangers, althetico madrid nice tourney
then valencia after
then EPL n champs league qualies
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on July 27, 2009, 11:07:03 PM
Sorry if I'm "trolling" but just observing the current situations ..do you lot fear not finishing in the top 4 if City buy a couple of defenders(word is they are close on K.Toure) and Arsenal don't bolster their squad?

Obviously I would rather Arsenal in the top 4 than City because it will only give City a better chance of becoming a powerful team in the future...but as it stands I can't see Arsenal finishing in the top 4 due to;

1) Wenger- I would be surprised if anyone over 23(and top quality) came in to replace Adebayor and possibly Toure...

2) Injury prone players- Almunia, Gallas, Sagna, Rosicky, Nasri, Van Persie and Eduardo are the names that come to mind that miss at least a month over the season... Walcott is another...  say 4 or 5 are injured at a time...pressure

3) Unstable Board and fans at times... I can see a panic situation at some point during the season ... will Wenger be fired during the season?


No intent of disrespect and humour in my post... I am not even an Arsenal fan and I'm feeling a bit sorry for the gunners...

this does not mean that I am counting them out though... sometimes when the pressure is on United,Chelsea and Liverpool , Arsenal creep up the ladder with ease... but I reckon pressure will be on Arsenal for the entire season

Interesting times ahead boys

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: freakazoid on July 28, 2009, 12:00:26 AM
small mag .  u n write this. the tone too controlled and mello ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on July 28, 2009, 05:41:25 AM
Sorry if I'm "trolling" but just observing the current situations ..do you lot fear not finishing in the top 4 if City buy a couple of defenders(word is they are close on K.Toure) and Arsenal don't bolster their squad?

Obviously I would rather Arsenal in the top 4 than City because it will only give City a better chance of becoming a powerful team in the future...but as it stands I can't see Arsenal finishing in the top 4 due to;

1) Wenger- I would be surprised if anyone over 23(and top quality) came in to replace Adebayor and possibly Toure...

2) Injury prone players- Almunia, Gallas, Sagna, Rosicky, Nasri, Van Persie and Eduardo are the names that come to mind that miss at least a month over the season... Walcott is another...  say 4 or 5 are injured at a time...pressure

3) Unstable Board and fans at times... I can see a panic situation at some point during the season ... will Wenger be fired during the season?


No intent of disrespect and humour in my post... I am not even an Arsenal fan and I'm feeling a bit sorry for the gunners...

this does not mean that I am counting them out though... sometimes when the pressure is on United,Chelsea and Liverpool , Arsenal creep up the ladder with ease... but I reckon pressure will be on Arsenal for the entire season

Interesting times ahead boys



I wouldn't really count Almunia, Gallas, Sagna, Nasri, as injury-prone players. Yes Nasri is injured at the moment, but on evidence of last season he can last the entire year.
Eduardo is a tough one. That tackle woulda break anyone's leg and would end most careers. I feel that he got all of his little niggles out after the long injury.
Van Persie, yes. Rosicky, yes. Although RVP lasted through last season and the hope is that the injury problems are behind him after changing his diet and removing the wisdom teeth ???
Rosicky, they claim to have solved the muscular problem he was born with.... that one is a wait and see.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Midknight on July 28, 2009, 06:45:47 AM
Gunnerstunner, Arsene didn't buy Melo cause he isn't worth 25 million. If you're spending 25 mil on a CDM, better you get Inler or Tolulan.

Toulalan is NOT worth 25 million
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on July 28, 2009, 07:12:48 AM
Man City close to completing a deal for Toure ...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_city/8172622.stm
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on July 28, 2009, 07:25:13 AM
Man City close to completing a deal for Toure ...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_city/8172622.stm

Yeah, he'll go sometime this week. Sad to see him go though, but he's past his best, doesn't get on with Gallas, and handed in a transfer request in January. He's the last of the invincibles.

I guess our new CB partnership will be Gallas-Vermaelen. With backup in Djourou, Song, Senderos.
Hangeland rumors are heating up again but don't think Wenger will buy a CB with 5 or 6 there already.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on July 28, 2009, 07:30:57 AM
Man City close to completing a deal for Toure ...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_city/8172622.stm

Yeah, he'll go sometime this week. Sad to see him go though, but he's past his best, doesn't get on with Gallas, and handed in a transfer request in January. He's the last of the invincibles.

I guess our new CB partnership will be Gallas-Vermaelen. With backup in Djourou, Song, Senderos.
Hangeland rumors are heating up again but don't think Wenger will buy a CB with 5 or 6 there already.

I actually still think Arsenal will sign Bassong from Newcastle.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Marcos on July 28, 2009, 07:39:28 AM
Contrary to what Small Mag saying I think Arsenal is looking more dangerous this year.
Their key players are older, wiser and more experienced. Let's not forget they got to the CL semifinal last season, no small feat.

And unlike last year, they are mostly healthy (right now). If this side stays healthy watch out!

Rosicky, Arshavin, Van P, Fabs, Walcott, Nasri, Eduardo, bendtner, wow

Add to that a boss coach that understands the beautiful game
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on July 28, 2009, 07:46:07 AM
Contrary to what Small Mag saying I think Arsenal is looking more dangerous this year.
Their key players are older, wiser and more experienced. Let's not forget they got to the CL semifinal last season, no small feat.

And unlike last year, they are mostly healthy (right now). If this side stays healthy watch out!

Rosicky, Arshavin, Van P, Fabs, Walcott, Nasri, Eduardo, bendtner, wow

Add to that a boss coach that understands the beautiful game

I excited to see what Wilshere brings to the team this season.
Hopefully he'll start being more involved with the first team.

Besides key players being more experienced, the younger players are improving too - players like Song, Djourou, Traore and Vela.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on July 28, 2009, 07:52:55 AM
Contrary to what Small Mag saying I think Arsenal is looking more dangerous this year.
Their key players are older, wiser and more experienced. Let's not forget they got to the CL semifinal last season, no small feat.

And unlike last year, they are mostly healthy (right now). If this side stays healthy watch out!

Rosicky, Arshavin, Van P, Fabs, Walcott, Nasri, Eduardo, bendtner, wow

Add to that a boss coach that understands the beautiful game

I excited to see what Wilshere brings to the team this season.
Hopefully he'll start being more involved with the first team.

Besides key players being more experienced, the younger players are improving too - players like Song, Djourou, Traore and Vela.



Don't forget it's African Cup of Nations in January. Adebayor and Toure were potential losses for a month. Now I think it's ... Song and Eboue?
Just saw on interview on ATV ... Wenger says Toure situation will be sorted in 24 hours, and he will assess and add after pre season.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on July 28, 2009, 08:06:54 AM
Can't see Vela scoring goals consistently, hope I am wrong.

Arsenal are crazy selling players to a rival club. Especially if they sell Kolo. Selling Kolo means Arsenal are back to a lack of  quality depth at the back. Watch it will come back to bite them in the ass and the board will blame Wenger. This could very well be his last year, the fans will not accept more talk about rebuilding and young squad.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on July 28, 2009, 08:14:06 AM
Can't see Vela scoring goals consistently, hope I am wrong.

Arsenal are crazy selling players to a rival club. Especially if they sell Kolo. Selling Kolo means Arsenal are back to a lack of  quality depth at the back. Watch it will come back to bite them in the ass and the board will blame Wenger. This could very well be his last year, the fans will not accept more talk about rebuilding and young squad.



exactly my thoughts..

Arsenal fans, selling Kolo Toure is the equivalent of Chelsea selling John Terry, you don't sell the rock of your team to a rival club. From being in a position with some depth at CB once you got Vermaelen, this sale would take you back to an even worse position than you started off with at the end of last season..

I realize men deluding deyself, counting the Arsenal CBs in terms on quantity to say they have cover but its not about quantity its about quality. Like men forgetting Gallas is suspect and questionable temperament, Vermaelen is unproven in the EPL, Senderos is a shithound, Silvestre is a joke and Song at CB is a laughing matter.. another season of a team with an attractive outer appearance but a soft underbelly..

And allyuh still eh buy a CDM yet.. The truth is that the Arsenal board can only afford to move so cheap because of how good Wenger is. If Wenger was to leave and another coach was to come in, I guarantee the purse strings would loosen despite all the talk about having no money.

this club is a joke yes.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Marcos on July 28, 2009, 09:32:58 AM
But they selling Toure to get the money to buy a top notch CDM.

U eh see they couldn't afford a man like Melo, now they can!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on July 28, 2009, 09:37:07 AM
But they selling Toure to get the money to buy a top notch CDM.

U eh see they couldn't afford a man like Melo, now they can!!

so what was the Adebayor money for?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kicker on July 28, 2009, 09:39:34 AM

Don't forget it's African Cup of Nations in January. Adebayor and Toure were potential losses for a month. Now I think it's ... Song and Eboue?
Just saw on interview on ATV ... Wenger says Toure situation will be sorted in 24 hours, and he will assess and add after pre season.

They gotta move the ACN to the Summer...It just makes no sense for such a huge int'l tournament to be in the middle of the competitive club season...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on July 28, 2009, 09:43:36 AM
But they selling Toure to get the money to buy a top notch CDM.

U eh see they couldn't afford a man like Melo, now they can!!

Ok cool! But Melo gorn, so Arsenal just call meh and I send dem meh scouting report.

Ah tell dem buy Alou Diarra from Bordeaux, solid holding midfielder who reads the game well.

I tell dem buy Nicolas Otamendi young and talented Central defender from Velez Sarsfield.

If they can't get Huntelaar ah tell dem buy Alvaro Negredo from Almeria he could find the net with foot and head

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on July 28, 2009, 09:52:01 AM
But they selling Toure to get the money to buy a top notch CDM.

U eh see they couldn't afford a man like Melo, now they can!!

so what was the Adebayor money for?

pay off debts  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on July 28, 2009, 10:01:41 AM

Don't forget it's African Cup of Nations in January. Adebayor and Toure were potential losses for a month. Now I think it's ... Song and Eboue?
Just saw on interview on ATV ... Wenger says Toure situation will be sorted in 24 hours, and he will assess and add after pre season.

They gotta move the ACN to the Summer...It just makes no sense for such a huge int'l tournament to be in the middle of the competitive club season...

Africa in the European summer period is the time of the rains on the continent, it eh possible
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on July 28, 2009, 10:02:21 AM

Don't forget it's African Cup of Nations in January. Adebayor and Toure were potential losses for a month. Now I think it's ... Song and Eboue?
Just saw on interview on ATV ... Wenger says Toure situation will be sorted in 24 hours, and he will assess and add after pre season.

They gotta move the ACN to the Summer...It just makes no sense for such a huge int'l tournament to be in the middle of the competitive club season...

And make it every 4 years
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on July 28, 2009, 10:03:54 AM

Don't forget it's African Cup of Nations in January. Adebayor and Toure were potential losses for a month. Now I think it's ... Song and Eboue?
Just saw on interview on ATV ... Wenger says Toure situation will be sorted in 24 hours, and he will assess and add after pre season.

They gotta move the ACN to the Summer...It just makes no sense for such a huge int'l tournament to be in the middle of the competitive club season...

Africa in the European summer period is the time of the rains on the continent, it eh possible


Is not cricket  ;D
Seriously ... if it's not possible for them to do it in the summer, then do it every 4 years. Not 2 years.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: freakazoid on July 28, 2009, 02:23:42 PM
arsenal still coming 4th
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Daft Trini on July 28, 2009, 02:29:06 PM
arsenal still coming 4th

Sorry sir they will be fifth behind EVERTON FC or ASTON VILLA...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on July 28, 2009, 03:01:53 PM
Can't see Vela scoring goals consistently, hope I am wrong.

Arsenal are crazy selling players to a rival club. Especially if they sell Kolo. Selling Kolo means Arsenal are back to a lack of  quality depth at the back. Watch it will come back to bite them in the ass and the board will blame Wenger. This could very well be his last year, the fans will not accept more talk about rebuilding and young squad.



exactly my thoughts..

Arsenal fans, selling Kolo Toure is the equivalent of Chelsea selling John Terry, you don't sell the rock of your team to a rival club. From being in a position with some depth at CB once you got Vermaelen, this sale would take you back to an even worse position than you started off with at the end of last season..

I realize men deluding deyself, counting the Arsenal CBs in terms on quantity to say they have cover but its not about quantity its about quality. Like men forgetting Gallas is suspect and questionable temperament, Vermaelen is unproven in the EPL, Senderos is a shithound, Silvestre is a joke and Song at CB is a laughing matter.. another season of a team with an attractive outer appearance but a soft underbelly..

.

tbh toure has been in decline for some time.  his performances have been more and more erratic.  he isn't a "mr arsenal", in fact he turned in a transfer request in january.   djourou works well with gallas and vermalen (sp) is coming along ok.  senderos could get a sweat in Fa cup and CC matches if need be.   song didnt do too bad there last year and all.

the cdm is an area that needs fixing asap. song has been improving steadily but one more cdm would be good, melo gone juve ($$), inler, i ent know, toulalan same ting.  we will see what play off maybe in jan.

everton and aston villa above the arsenal...you're having a laugh!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bourbon on July 28, 2009, 03:31:39 PM

Don't forget it's African Cup of Nations in January. Adebayor and Toure were potential losses for a month. Now I think it's ... Song and Eboue?
Just saw on interview on ATV ... Wenger says Toure situation will be sorted in 24 hours, and he will assess and add after pre season.

They gotta move the ACN to the Summer...It just makes no sense for such a huge int'l tournament to be in the middle of the competitive club season...

Then it will be in the middle of the rainy season...and if below the equator...in winter too. That was the justification given...cuz if it was like that...then that would pre-empt countries in the south from hosting. However..since Confed Cup was held and soon World Cup would be held under those conditions.....i dunno if they may reconsider.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on July 29, 2009, 07:29:27 AM
toure deal effectively done.
read that arsenal accepted a transfer fee from fiorentina for eboue in the region of 9mil pounds.
like wenger getting rid of the african contigent.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on July 29, 2009, 08:28:47 AM
toure deal effectively done.
read that arsenal accepted a transfer fee from fiorentina for eboue in the region of 9mil pounds.
like wenger getting rid of the african contigent.

I'm confused as to why they didn't offer up Eboue and 10 mil for Melo.

Anyway ... Giles Grimandi a week ago said that the squad is too big and we have to sell off some players before we add more. It seems the case. We don't need another CB unless he will be good enough to walk into the first team.

Anyway, Arsene is counting 6 CBs so unless he sells Senderos too, I don't see another one coming in.
Defensive midfielder and probably a forward. After this weekend.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kicker on July 29, 2009, 10:13:46 AM

Don't forget it's African Cup of Nations in January. Adebayor and Toure were potential losses for a month. Now I think it's ... Song and Eboue?
Just saw on interview on ATV ... Wenger says Toure situation will be sorted in 24 hours, and he will assess and add after pre season.

They gotta move the ACN to the Summer...It just makes no sense for such a huge int'l tournament to be in the middle of the competitive club season...

Then it will be in the middle of the rainy season...and if below the equator...in winter too. That was the justification given...cuz if it was like that...then that would pre-empt countries in the south from hosting. However..since Confed Cup was held and soon World Cup would be held under those conditions.....i dunno if they may reconsider.

Right right...Not sure if any African countries have a harsh winter though.  South Africa being the furthest south would probably experience some low temperatures, but from what I understand, talking to people from there, winters are reasonably mild....The WC has been held in Argentina & Chile before, so I don't see that being a major factor...The rainy season, I can't comment on...but it's begs a question- "Does football shut down in Africa during the Northern Hemisphere Summer because of rain?"
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on July 29, 2009, 12:23:32 PM
toure deal effectively done.
read that arsenal accepted a transfer fee from fiorentina for eboue in the region of 9mil pounds.
like wenger getting rid of the african contigent.

I'm confused as to why they didn't offer up Eboue and 10 mil for Melo.

Anyway ... Giles Grimandi a week ago said that the squad is too big and we have to sell off some players before we add more. It seems the case. We don't need another CB unless he will be good enough to walk into the first team.

Anyway, Arsene is counting 6 CBs so unless he sells Senderos too, I don't see another one coming in.
Defensive midfielder and probably a forward. After this weekend.

I think they did offer Eboue plus $$$ for Melo.
Believe it was more than 10mil that was offered/asked for though.
Waiting to see what else happens in the transfer window.
Senderos was reportedly on his way out (to Sunderland).
More interested in seeing who is brought in.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on July 29, 2009, 12:42:18 PM
Vermaelen look real shakey today & he get injured as well. Hope it not serious!
First half Arsenal was running riot second half showed their lack of depth.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on July 29, 2009, 12:52:42 PM
yes i agree.  fab4 went off and the team fall down.  djourou and vermalaen cannot work together.  silvestre held it down.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 30, 2009, 06:44:21 AM
Vermaelen look real shakey today & he get injured as well. Hope it not serious!
First half Arsenal was running riot second half showed their lack of depth.

second half was fatigue, they been working extra hard in preseason and had a training session that day, they also do to a days on non preseason game days, these times are set to push the body to get them ready for the season ahead
 so your comment about lack of depth is not valid
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 30, 2009, 06:48:29 AM
Wenger said at the end of last season that "we analyse every position in the team to see how we can improve". Note the word "we". Selling Emmanuel Adebayor and Kolo Touré are big decisions and there seems to have been some strategic consultation within Arsenal.

I am sad to see Touré go and there is the potential exit of Emmanuel Eboue (a useful squad player) but I am fully supportive of the overall sale strategy that has taken place this season. I don't care if they go to rivals.

My reason, and I suspect this is also part of Arsenal's overall reasoning, is that Arsenal need to change the mentality of their squad. Many a time last season, after Arsenal conceded a goal or faced a struggle, the team could not find the resources to pick itself up mentally. Certain players thought themselves junior and waited for reaction from the older (or more established) players.

Clearing out those players who had established themselves at the top of the pecking order or had been at Arsenal for so long that they gained respect just due to their time at the club is a good way to start a new mentality at the club. We got rid of Adebayor's attitude and influence. We got rid of Kolo's seeming acceptance of graceful disappointment (he is a humble gentleman) and Eboue's lack of continuous improvement.

Losing Kolo is not losing experience in the same way as it would be to lose William Gallas. Kolo has always played more with his heart than his head but I loved him. Johan Djourou needs to learn from Gallas not Kolo. Losing Eboue shows that sheer seniority will not save you if you don't have the drive for continuous improvement and quality. It will be a good message to Song, Denilson and Diaby. Song has improved A LOT and Diaby very little. Losing Adebayor is a clear message that Arsenal will not stand for bad attitude especially when it doesn't deliver consistently. It is a clear message to Nicklas Bendtner that the manager wants him to step up and to Eduardo and Robin van Persie too.

This summer we have what we did not have at the start of last season. We have Eduardo, Andrey Arshavin, Thomas Vermaelen (who plays with his head), Bendtner, potentially Tomas Rosicky and an improved Alex Song. Yes I would have liked to have a more experienced DM but maybe there are other ways to play that makes that less of a problem especially given the options we have in attack. Don't forget Theo Walcott and Carlos Vela are very capable in various combinations. Arsenal have never had so many options in attack.

This summer we have also gotten rid of old attitudes and replaced them with new ones. The Gallas – Vemaelen partnership is going to be a brainy one. The balance of power in attack has changed, Bendtner and Eduardo will get more from Arshavin and Arshavin is starting his first full season with them together building a new partnership. FRancesc Fabregas will also change as a result of that. He will stay further back a little more and that helps Song.

I am overall more positive than many fans even if we don't buy any more players. I would like one more defender since I am not so hot on Mikael Silvestre but I am happy with attack and somewhat happy with midfield.

Bendtner in my view is the most underrated young striker in world football. I think he is very, very good for his age and shows every sign of great potential. Many people who claim Bendtner is rubbish cannot tell me a striker of his age that scores the numbers and range of goals he scored last season. Bendtner works better with mobile partners like Vela and Eduardo than van Persie and Adebayor.

Eduardo moves in the box as good as any great striker and finishes as good as the best. He hasn't got the height or the power or the speed but that should only be a difference of about 5 goals per season between him and the very best. If Arsenal learn how to play with Bendtner, Eduardo and Arshavin, we will not notice deficiencies in central midfield and we will be in for a good season.

I am not a betting man. People bet on their conventional knowledge of the thing they bet on (like the fact that Manchester United is expected to beat Portsmouth); others bet using statistics that show trends (like the fact that certain teams don't lose at home), etc. This year, I would like to bet on my instinct only. My instinct is that Bendtner and Eduardo will get more than 20 goals each. In my mind, van Persie is the third choice striker.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on July 30, 2009, 08:48:10 AM
Wenger said at the end of last season that "we analyse every position in the team to see how we can improve". Note the word "we". Selling Emmanuel Adebayor and Kolo Touré are big decisions and there seems to have been some strategic consultation within Arsenal.

I am sad to see Touré go and there is the potential exit of Emmanuel Eboue (a useful squad player) but I am fully supportive of the overall sale strategy that has taken place this season. I don't care if they go to rivals.

My reason, and I suspect this is also part of Arsenal's overall reasoning, is that Arsenal need to change the mentality of their squad. Many a time last season, after Arsenal conceded a goal or faced a struggle, the team could not find the resources to pick itself up mentally. Certain players thought themselves junior and waited for reaction from the older (or more established) players.

Clearing out those players who had established themselves at the top of the pecking order or had been at Arsenal for so long that they gained respect just due to their time at the club is a good way to start a new mentality at the club. We got rid of Adebayor's attitude and influence. We got rid of Kolo's seeming acceptance of graceful disappointment (he is a humble gentleman) and Eboue's lack of continuous improvement.

Losing Kolo is not losing experience in the same way as it would be to lose William Gallas. Kolo has always played more with his heart than his head but I loved him. Johan Djourou needs to learn from Gallas not Kolo. Losing Eboue shows that sheer seniority will not save you if you don't have the drive for continuous improvement and quality. It will be a good message to Song, Denilson and Diaby. Song has improved A LOT and Diaby very little. Losing Adebayor is a clear message that Arsenal will not stand for bad attitude especially when it doesn't deliver consistently. It is a clear message to Nicklas Bendtner that the manager wants him to step up and to Eduardo and Robin van Persie too.

This summer we have what we did not have at the start of last season. We have Eduardo, Andrey Arshavin, Thomas Vermaelen (who plays with his head), Bendtner, potentially Tomas Rosicky and an improved Alex Song. Yes I would have liked to have a more experienced DM but maybe there are other ways to play that makes that less of a problem especially given the options we have in attack. Don't forget Theo Walcott and Carlos Vela are very capable in various combinations. Arsenal have never had so many options in attack.

This summer we have also gotten rid of old attitudes and replaced them with new ones. The Gallas – Vemaelen partnership is going to be a brainy one. The balance of power in attack has changed, Bendtner and Eduardo will get more from Arshavin and Arshavin is starting his first full season with them together building a new partnership. FRancesc Fabregas will also change as a result of that. He will stay further back a little more and that helps Song.

I am overall more positive than many fans even if we don't buy any more players. I would like one more defender since I am not so hot on Mikael Silvestre but I am happy with attack and somewhat happy with midfield.

Bendtner in my view is the most underrated young striker in world football. I think he is very, very good for his age and shows every sign of great potential. Many people who claim Bendtner is rubbish cannot tell me a striker of his age that scores the numbers and range of goals he scored last season. Bendtner works better with mobile partners like Vela and Eduardo than van Persie and Adebayor.

Eduardo moves in the box as good as any great striker and finishes as good as the best. He hasn't got the height or the power or the speed but that should only be a difference of about 5 goals per season between him and the very best. If Arsenal learn how to play with Bendtner, Eduardo and Arshavin, we will not notice deficiencies in central midfield and we will be in for a good season.

I am not a betting man. People bet on their conventional knowledge of the thing they bet on (like the fact that Manchester United is expected to beat Portsmouth); others bet using statistics that show trends (like the fact that certain teams don't lose at home), etc. This year, I would like to bet on my instinct only. My instinct is that Bendtner and Eduardo will get more than 20 goals each. In my mind, van Persie is the third choice striker.


No way Bendtner will outscore Van Persie. Bendtner dosn't take free kicks or penalties and appears to lack the impact as a starter that you may get when he comes on as sub. His focus appears to be limited plus he is a prime grade shithong! No way is he better than Van Persie.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on July 30, 2009, 09:35:18 AM
giggsy slow your roll...first of all did u see the flick bendtner put down yesterday to start the move that lead to the goal??   he played yesterday on the right side of a modified front three and he give the left back trouble whole game.  even the commentator noted the contribution he made to the game...his role yesterday was not targetman per se but he can funtion as one if need be.   the boy is still in his early twenties but is already a starter for denmark.  he is good in the air and above all is not the finished product yet. i know we like to use the youth excuse but come on, he is a youthman still, unlike men like arshavin, rvp, eduardo.  i guarantee that with good service  he will score at least 10-12 goals this season.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on July 30, 2009, 09:54:51 AM
giggsy slow your roll...first of all did u see the flick bendtner put down yesterday to start the move that lead to the goal??   he played yesterday on the right side of a modified front three and he give the left back trouble whole game.  even the commentator noted the contribution he made to the game...his role yesterday was not targetman per se but he can funtion as one if need be.   the boy is still in his early twenties but is already a starter for denmark.  he is good in the air and above all is not the finished product yet. i know we like to use the youth excuse but come on, he is a youthman still, unlike men like arshavin, rvp, eduardo.  i guarantee that with good service  he will score at least 10-12 goals this season.

With the way Arsenal does move the ball around I expect about 15/16.  The man is 21 years old. and he showing skill that we could only dream some of our 21 year old nationals could possess.  And yuh right he eh finish grow as a player yet.  If he was a bit faster I would probably project him to become a similar type of player to Ibrahimovic as he is already developing in some of the atributes that makes Ibra a world class striker.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on July 30, 2009, 01:57:33 PM
giggsy slow your roll...first of all did u see the flick bendtner put down yesterday to start the move that lead to the goal??   he played yesterday on the right side of a modified front three and he give the left back trouble whole game.  even the commentator noted the contribution he made to the game...his role yesterday was not targetman per se but he can funtion as one if need be.   the boy is still in his early twenties but is already a starter for denmark.  he is good in the air and above all is not the finished product yet. i know we like to use the youth excuse but come on, he is a youthman still, unlike men like arshavin, rvp, eduardo.  i guarantee that with good service  he will score at least 10-12 goals this season.

I still disagree that he deserves to start over Van Persie. He has gotten good service but troweys a lot, maybe maybe he is as good as he will get, could be due to youth. I will check him out this season and will write shithoung in pencil next tuh his name so if he shows improvement I will write semi shithoung instead. My ting with him is he acts bigger than his God given talent kinda like Dempsey!
 :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 30, 2009, 07:40:53 PM
i pasted that from an arsenal fan site
however he has shown marked improvement from last season
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on July 31, 2009, 07:06:52 AM
i pasted that from an arsenal fan site
however he has shown marked improvement from last season

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Stunner! based on what! a couple of exhibition games. I must admit I am not a big fan of Van P, I would rather see Arshavin or Nasri playing behind the striker (who could be VanP). Bendtner has a long way to go. Technically he is weak and struggles to get past players. He has potential, but I cannot see him developing beyond a penalty area predator
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Marcos on July 31, 2009, 07:19:03 AM
rumors of arsenal going after De Rossi. How you feel about him fitting in? Boss DM
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on July 31, 2009, 07:37:17 AM
giggsy slow your roll...first of all did u see the flick bendtner put down yesterday to start the move that lead to the goal??   he played yesterday on the right side of a modified front three and he give the left back trouble whole game.  even the commentator noted the contribution he made to the game...his role yesterday was not targetman per se but he can funtion as one if need be.   the boy is still in his early twenties but is already a starter for denmark.  he is good in the air and above all is not the finished product yet. i know we like to use the youth excuse but come on, he is a youthman still, unlike men like arshavin, rvp, eduardo.  i guarantee that with good service  he will score at least 10-12 goals this season.

You know he score 14 goals for Arsenal last season right?
9 EPL, 2 FA Cup, 2 Carling, 1 Champions League
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on July 31, 2009, 07:41:56 AM
rumors of arsenal going after De Rossi. How you feel about him fitting in? Boss DM

a lot of rumours right now.
they seem to be back in for chamakh, and close to signing matuidi.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on July 31, 2009, 10:55:10 AM
giggsy slow your roll...first of all did u see the flick bendtner put down yesterday to start the move that lead to the goal??   he played yesterday on the right side of a modified front three and he give the left back trouble whole game.  even the commentator noted the contribution he made to the game...his role yesterday was not targetman per se but he can funtion as one if need be.   the boy is still in his early twenties but is already a starter for denmark.  he is good in the air and above all is not the finished product yet. i know we like to use the youth excuse but come on, he is a youthman still, unlike men like arshavin, rvp, eduardo.  i guarantee that with good service  he will score at least 10-12 goals this season.

You know he score 14 goals for Arsenal last season right?
9 EPL, 2 FA Cup, 2 Carling, 1 Champions League

by season i meant EPL season
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on July 31, 2009, 12:42:45 PM
giggsy slow your roll...first of all did u see the flick bendtner put down yesterday to start the move that lead to the goal??   he played yesterday on the right side of a modified front three and he give the left back trouble whole game.  even the commentator noted the contribution he made to the game...his role yesterday was not targetman per se but he can funtion as one if need be.   the boy is still in his early twenties but is already a starter for denmark.  he is good in the air and above all is not the finished product yet. i know we like to use the youth excuse but come on, he is a youthman still, unlike men like arshavin, rvp, eduardo.  i guarantee that with good service  he will score at least 10-12 goals this season.
You know he score 14 goals for Arsenal last season right?
9 EPL, 2 FA Cup, 2 Carling, 1 Champions League
by season i meant EPL season

seen, wasn't sure. cause given that he score 9 last season with limited playing time, 10-12 isn't much of an improvement assuming he going to be more involved this year.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 03, 2009, 05:04:09 AM
ah yes
preseason wins
dealt with hamburg
dealt with athletico thanks to arshavin
dealt with rangers thanks to a 17yr old and eduardo
rosicky looks healthy and ready to go
final warm up game against valencia
then of to everton then city then manu and thats just august

i love this game
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on August 04, 2009, 01:00:03 AM
Senderos joins Everton.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,25880525-29437,00.html
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_5471560,00.html
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 04, 2009, 11:48:58 AM
Senderos joins Everton.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,25880525-29437,00.html
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_5471560,00.html

more cover loss
can only mean wenger must have something lined up

but i did see him in preseason training live today on ARSENAL TV ONLINE so who knows until its in arsenals website it doesn't mean its happened
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on August 05, 2009, 08:36:47 AM
Senderos joins Everton.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,25880525-29437,00.html
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_5471560,00.html

more cover loss
can only mean wenger must have something lined up

but i did see him in preseason training live today on ARSENAL TV ONLINE so who knows until its in arsenals website it doesn't mean its happened

Yea, I was waiting to see if it would be on the arsenal site.
Check the end of this article though.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=665016&sec=transfers&cc=3888&campaign=rss&source=soccernet
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 05, 2009, 11:44:33 AM
any thoughts out there on the 4-3-3 system arsenal seems to be going with?

i liek it once our attack minded mid and front are prepared to do grunt work and track back or hold and hit on the counter, because we cut sides aart wth our passing

arshavin loves to capitalise on a mid feild or defensive miss pass or blunder

fabregas does some hustle, so does bentner and van persie

i hope song stands out like a giant this year but alot has to be said for denilsons quiet steady graft

the 4-3-3 works well if you have a solid back line, and preseason especially the rangers game there were times we looked all over the place

hope they sorted it out and fast
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: congo on August 05, 2009, 07:08:52 PM
This club need a bush bath!!!


ARSENAL fear injury-hit Tomas Rosicky will miss the first six weeks of the season.

The Czech midfielder is only just back after a nightmare 18 months on the sidelines.

But Rosicky, 28, strained a hamstring in training yesterday and has been told he will be out of action until mid September.

It means he misses the Gunners' Champions League qualifier plus the first four Premier League games.

It is a crushing blow for Rosicky - a £6.8million buy from Borussia Dortmund three years ago - who has not played since rupturing knee ligaments in January 2008.

And it is another major concern for manager Arsene Wenger ahead of Arsenal's Premier League opener at Everton on Saturday week.

The Emirates boss has already lost Samir Nasri to a broken leg and sold both Emmanuel Adebayor and Kolo Toure during the summer.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/2573663/Tomas-Rosicky-out-for-six-weeks.html
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 05, 2009, 08:39:55 PM
unless its on the clubs website i don't believe it
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 06, 2009, 05:10:59 AM
side note

rangers beat mancity 3-2 in injury time

not taking more from that than its nice to see the richboys still have to earn it the old hard way

on the pitch
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Deeks on August 07, 2009, 05:57:04 PM
Here is an early CL clash between the Gunners and Celtics.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/8187226.stm
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Jefferz on August 07, 2009, 06:00:15 PM
Wenger said at the end of last season that "we analyse every position in the team to see how we can improve". Note the word "we". Selling Emmanuel Adebayor and Kolo Touré are big decisions and there seems to have been some strategic consultation within Arsenal.

I am sad to see Touré go and there is the potential exit of Emmanuel Eboue (a useful squad player) but I am fully supportive of the overall sale strategy that has taken place this season. I don't care if they go to rivals.

My reason, and I suspect this is also part of Arsenal's overall reasoning, is that Arsenal need to change the mentality of their squad. Many a time last season, after Arsenal conceded a goal or faced a struggle, the team could not find the resources to pick itself up mentally. Certain players thought themselves junior and waited for reaction from the older (or more established) players.

Clearing out those players who had established themselves at the top of the pecking order or had been at Arsenal for so long that they gained respect just due to their time at the club is a good way to start a new mentality at the club. We got rid of Adebayor's attitude and influence. We got rid of Kolo's seeming acceptance of graceful disappointment (he is a humble gentleman) and Eboue's lack of continuous improvement.

Losing Kolo is not losing experience in the same way as it would be to lose William Gallas. Kolo has always played more with his heart than his head but I loved him. Johan Djourou needs to learn from Gallas not Kolo. Losing Eboue shows that sheer seniority will not save you if you don't have the drive for continuous improvement and quality. It will be a good message to Song, Denilson and Diaby. Song has improved A LOT and Diaby very little. Losing Adebayor is a clear message that Arsenal will not stand for bad attitude especially when it doesn't deliver consistently. It is a clear message to Nicklas Bendtner that the manager wants him to step up and to Eduardo and Robin van Persie too.

This summer we have what we did not have at the start of last season. We have Eduardo, Andrey Arshavin, Thomas Vermaelen (who plays with his head), Bendtner, potentially Tomas Rosicky and an improved Alex Song. Yes I would have liked to have a more experienced DM but maybe there are other ways to play that makes that less of a problem especially given the options we have in attack. Don't forget Theo Walcott and Carlos Vela are very capable in various combinations. Arsenal have never had so many options in attack.

This summer we have also gotten rid of old attitudes and replaced them with new ones. The Gallas – Vemaelen partnership is going to be a brainy one. The balance of power in attack has changed, Bendtner and Eduardo will get more from Arshavin and Arshavin is starting his first full season with them together building a new partnership. FRancesc Fabregas will also change as a result of that. He will stay further back a little more and that helps Song.

I am overall more positive than many fans even if we don't buy any more players. I would like one more defender since I am not so hot on Mikael Silvestre but I am happy with attack and somewhat happy with midfield.

Bendtner in my view is the most underrated young striker in world football. I think he is very, very good for his age and shows every sign of great potential. Many people who claim Bendtner is rubbish cannot tell me a striker of his age that scores the numbers and range of goals he scored last season. Bendtner works better with mobile partners like Vela and Eduardo than van Persie and Adebayor.

Eduardo moves in the box as good as any great striker and finishes as good as the best. He hasn't got the height or the power or the speed but that should only be a difference of about 5 goals per season between him and the very best. If Arsenal learn how to play with Bendtner, Eduardo and Arshavin, we will not notice deficiencies in central midfield and we will be in for a good season.

I am not a betting man. People bet on their conventional knowledge of the thing they bet on (like the fact that Manchester United is expected to beat Portsmouth); others bet using statistics that show trends (like the fact that certain teams don't lose at home), etc. This year, I would like to bet on my instinct only. My instinct is that Bendtner and Eduardo will get more than 20 goals each. In my mind, van Persie is the third choice striker.


No way Bendtner will outscore Van Persie. Bendtner dosn't take free kicks or penalties and appears to lack the impact as a starter that you may get when he comes on as sub. His focus appears to be limited plus he is a prime grade shithong! No way is he better than Van Persie.

silly me i thought you're arguement was going to lose substance until you got to this particular point.

genius analysis, douche.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 08, 2009, 08:01:05 PM
eff gunners gunned down in spain

valencia 2 - o arsenal

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on August 08, 2009, 08:16:42 PM
Wenger said at the end of last season that "we analyse every position in the team to see how we can improve". Note the word "we". Selling Emmanuel Adebayor and Kolo Touré are big decisions and there seems to have been some strategic consultation within Arsenal.

I am sad to see Touré go and there is the potential exit of Emmanuel Eboue (a useful squad player) but I am fully supportive of the overall sale strategy that has taken place this season. I don't care if they go to rivals.

My reason, and I suspect this is also part of Arsenal's overall reasoning, is that Arsenal need to change the mentality of their squad. Many a time last season, after Arsenal conceded a goal or faced a struggle, the team could not find the resources to pick itself up mentally. Certain players thought themselves junior and waited for reaction from the older (or more established) players.

Clearing out those players who had established themselves at the top of the pecking order or had been at Arsenal for so long that they gained respect just due to their time at the club is a good way to start a new mentality at the club. We got rid of Adebayor's attitude and influence. We got rid of Kolo's seeming acceptance of graceful disappointment (he is a humble gentleman) and Eboue's lack of continuous improvement.

Losing Kolo is not losing experience in the same way as it would be to lose William Gallas. Kolo has always played more with his heart than his head but I loved him. Johan Djourou needs to learn from Gallas not Kolo. Losing Eboue shows that sheer seniority will not save you if you don't have the drive for continuous improvement and quality. It will be a good message to Song, Denilson and Diaby. Song has improved A LOT and Diaby very little. Losing Adebayor is a clear message that Arsenal will not stand for bad attitude especially when it doesn't deliver consistently. It is a clear message to Nicklas Bendtner that the manager wants him to step up and to Eduardo and Robin van Persie too.

This summer we have what we did not have at the start of last season. We have Eduardo, Andrey Arshavin, Thomas Vermaelen (who plays with his head), Bendtner, potentially Tomas Rosicky and an improved Alex Song. Yes I would have liked to have a more experienced DM but maybe there are other ways to play that makes that less of a problem especially given the options we have in attack. Don't forget Theo Walcott and Carlos Vela are very capable in various combinations. Arsenal have never had so many options in attack.

This summer we have also gotten rid of old attitudes and replaced them with new ones. The Gallas – Vemaelen partnership is going to be a brainy one. The balance of power in attack has changed, Bendtner and Eduardo will get more from Arshavin and Arshavin is starting his first full season with them together building a new partnership. FRancesc Fabregas will also change as a result of that. He will stay further back a little more and that helps Song.

I am overall more positive than many fans even if we don't buy any more players. I would like one more defender since I am not so hot on Mikael Silvestre but I am happy with attack and somewhat happy with midfield.

Bendtner in my view is the most underrated young striker in world football. I think he is very, very good for his age and shows every sign of great potential. Many people who claim Bendtner is rubbish cannot tell me a striker of his age that scores the numbers and range of goals he scored last season. Bendtner works better with mobile partners like Vela and Eduardo than van Persie and Adebayor.

Eduardo moves in the box as good as any great striker and finishes as good as the best. He hasn't got the height or the power or the speed but that should only be a difference of about 5 goals per season between him and the very best. If Arsenal learn how to play with Bendtner, Eduardo and Arshavin, we will not notice deficiencies in central midfield and we will be in for a good season.

I am not a betting man. People bet on their conventional knowledge of the thing they bet on (like the fact that Manchester United is expected to beat Portsmouth); others bet using statistics that show trends (like the fact that certain teams don't lose at home), etc. This year, I would like to bet on my instinct only. My instinct is that Bendtner and Eduardo will get more than 20 goals each. In my mind, van Persie is the third choice striker.


No way Bendtner will outscore Van Persie. Bendtner dosn't take free kicks or penalties and appears to lack the impact as a starter that you may get when he comes on as sub. His focus appears to be limited plus he is a prime grade shithong! No way is he better than Van Persie.

silly me i thought you're arguement was going to lose substance until you got to this particular point.

genius analysis, douche.


How very mature of you, I can see why you support a team of boys and a coach who loves to coach them. Doh worry what ever your response to this may or may not be, you resorting to name calling already shows how much of a mental midget you really are. Keep thinking small  :applause:, glad to be able to give you an opportunity to prove it once again :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 09, 2009, 09:49:30 AM
cant wait for next sat lunch time!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 09, 2009, 10:11:30 AM
It's becoming an annual thing. Like Real Madrid shamelessly harassing a 'world class talent' Like a new 'rock' band being branded the next big thing when in fact, they're just brainless, crap wannabes. Like the revolving managerial door at Chelsea turning once more in a fruitless attempt to bring the European Cup to Stamford Bridge. Like Paul Merson talking endlessly about the need for a massive defensive midfielder at Arsenal. When asked about our team's prospects for the upcoming seasons, a pundit's immediate answer resembles something along the lines of, "Well... I wouldn't be surprised if (insert one from Aston Villa, Everton, Tottenham Hootspur or Manchester City here) replace them in the top 4 this season... Arsène just hasn't strengthened enough..."

Two points to make about such comments. Firstly, what has allowed such purposely unnamed pundits to be on first name terms with our manager as if he were a mate they were meeting down the Kings Head for a pint and a perve at the barmaid? Secondly, and perhaps more pressing in respect of this article, the aforementioned pundits just never ever learn. Sure, Villa pressed us last year for three quarters of the season. But did our place in the top 4 ever really look under threat? The closest any team has come was several years ago when on that memorable day at Highbury, we celebrated a Champions League place at the expense of our dearest rivals who had their collective bonces stuck down Upton Park's bogs. The point is, pundits seem to have developed an unwritten equation, particularly in the case of the world's new favourite-team-to-hate, Man City. Premiership Team + Foreign Investment + Lavish amounts of money spent on egotistical stars = Guaranteed top 4 position.

The trouble is, this is Arsenal FC the pundits are writing off. The same Arsenal FC who seem to hate being at the centre of attention. For example, see the post-October 2004 'Invincibles' when the wheels really fell off the wagon. On the flip side, see our (admittedly faded) title challenge two seasons ago when we'd been written off and forgotten about all summer. It seems we do love hovering just below the radar, going about our business without being talked about too much. This is the main reason why I am (maybe wrongly) so optimistic about this season. Let's examine the facts to support my, frankly rare, optimism.

One. Experience. A lot was made of this last season, the fact that Arsenal didn't have much backbone and experience about them. True story, I completely agree with that. Comparing that to this season, players such as Alex Song, Theo Walcott, Johan Djourou and Denilson all have an extra season under their belts and are quietly learning their Arsenal trade in an efficient manner despite being criticized in certain areas. Add to that Francesc Fabregas, Andrey Arshavin, William Gallas, Manuel Almunia, Robin van Persie and Gaël Clichy and experience doesn't seem to be a problem.

This leads me onto my second reason. It comes in the form of a pint-sized, meerkat resembling Russian by the name of Andrey Arshavin. This guy, in short, is a gem. There are very few players like him, with the talent, justified confidence and apparent joy in just playing the game that we all love so much (take note a certain 6 foot 3 Togolese striker). I firmly believe he was what we lacked in those spineless semi-final performances against Man United and Chelsea last season and get this.... He's available for all tournaments this year!

Now, it would be naïve of me to say that he will win us trophies. He has to have the help of 10 others on the pitch. But he has the talent to be a match winner on a constant basis, someone who can provide that bit of extra spark to strike the dear of god into defenders on a global scale. Watch this space but he will shine this season. And if he doesn't, I'll quite happily go on record in saying that I'll eat my Sky box.

A third reason is the departures that we've witnessed this summer. I won't go on about it but we needed shot of Emmanuel Adebayor. To squeeze £25 million out of City was a masterstroke for a striker who had a decent season 2 years back but has spectacularly failed to impress since then. His ego will not be missed in the dressing room. It's also goodbye to a player who in my eyes was a superb servant to Arsenal FC in Kolo Touré. He always gave 100% but was starting to look a little bit sub-standard in our already creaking back four. It was time for him to go and again, £16 million out of money bags City was a fantastic deal for us. Add to that the imminent departure of Philippe Senderos to Everton and Arsenal look a sleeker and more streamlined squad of players. Admittedly, the signing of Thomas Vermaelen is not sufficient, we need two more players, the rumoured arrivals of Chamakh and Hangeland would be fantastic. Patrick Vieira, I fear is a pipe dream.

We do not need a midfielder. Yes, read that back. We do NOT need a midfielder. This is linked to my fourth and final reason for optimism, formation. Throughout pre-season, I have witnessed Wenger deploying the 4-3-3 come 4-5-1 formation that was beautifully displayed by Barcelona on so many occasions next season. I have often wondered why Arsenal haven't done the same and many Arsenal supporting friends of mine think along similar lines. It followed something that Andy Gray said last season, that Wenger's purchasing of small, technically-gifted players signaled his intentions to follow Spain and Barcelona into the 'new football era' of a simple and technical, yet brutally effective form of the 'beautiful game'.

We have the players, Cesc, Denilson, Abou Diaby, Alex Song, Jack Wilshere and Samir Nasri can all play in those three midfield roles and the three-pronged attack could consist of any from van Persie, Arshavin, Eduardo, Nicklas Bendtner, Walcott, TomasRosicky (if he ever gets fit, bless him) and Nasri. That's a midfield and attack that has the potential to be just as efficient as the Barcelona line-up that has become so dominant and feared.

The problem is, turning this potential into wins and subsequently trophies. Pre-season has flagged up that the attack seems to be gelling well together no matter who plays up front. However, that is an entirely different kettle of fish to Premiership action. The point is, that no matter what pundits say, Arsenal will be a force to be reckoned with this season on all fronts and NOT scrapping for fourth place with the aforementioned teams. That equation may have to wait a couple of years before it manifests itself. In the meantime, don't write off Arsenal. It's a mistake that will continue to be made. But if there's one position that our club loves to be in, it's with our back to the walls. All that's left to say is, bring it on.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Jefferz on August 09, 2009, 04:18:53 PM
Wenger said at the end of last season that "we analyse every position in the team to see how we can improve". Note the word "we". Selling Emmanuel Adebayor and Kolo Touré are big decisions and there seems to have been some strategic consultation within Arsenal.

I am sad to see Touré go and there is the potential exit of Emmanuel Eboue (a useful squad player) but I am fully supportive of the overall sale strategy that has taken place this season. I don't care if they go to rivals.

My reason, and I suspect this is also part of Arsenal's overall reasoning, is that Arsenal need to change the mentality of their squad. Many a time last season, after Arsenal conceded a goal or faced a struggle, the team could not find the resources to pick itself up mentally. Certain players thought themselves junior and waited for reaction from the older (or more established) players.

Clearing out those players who had established themselves at the top of the pecking order or had been at Arsenal for so long that they gained respect just due to their time at the club is a good way to start a new mentality at the club. We got rid of Adebayor's attitude and influence. We got rid of Kolo's seeming acceptance of graceful disappointment (he is a humble gentleman) and Eboue's lack of continuous improvement.

Losing Kolo is not losing experience in the same way as it would be to lose William Gallas. Kolo has always played more with his heart than his head but I loved him. Johan Djourou needs to learn from Gallas not Kolo. Losing Eboue shows that sheer seniority will not save you if you don't have the drive for continuous improvement and quality. It will be a good message to Song, Denilson and Diaby. Song has improved A LOT and Diaby very little. Losing Adebayor is a clear message that Arsenal will not stand for bad attitude especially when it doesn't deliver consistently. It is a clear message to Nicklas Bendtner that the manager wants him to step up and to Eduardo and Robin van Persie too.

This summer we have what we did not have at the start of last season. We have Eduardo, Andrey Arshavin, Thomas Vermaelen (who plays with his head), Bendtner, potentially Tomas Rosicky and an improved Alex Song. Yes I would have liked to have a more experienced DM but maybe there are other ways to play that makes that less of a problem especially given the options we have in attack. Don't forget Theo Walcott and Carlos Vela are very capable in various combinations. Arsenal have never had so many options in attack.

This summer we have also gotten rid of old attitudes and replaced them with new ones. The Gallas – Vemaelen partnership is going to be a brainy one. The balance of power in attack has changed, Bendtner and Eduardo will get more from Arshavin and Arshavin is starting his first full season with them together building a new partnership. FRancesc Fabregas will also change as a result of that. He will stay further back a little more and that helps Song.

I am overall more positive than many fans even if we don't buy any more players. I would like one more defender since I am not so hot on Mikael Silvestre but I am happy with attack and somewhat happy with midfield.

Bendtner in my view is the most underrated young striker in world football. I think he is very, very good for his age and shows every sign of great potential. Many people who claim Bendtner is rubbish cannot tell me a striker of his age that scores the numbers and range of goals he scored last season. Bendtner works better with mobile partners like Vela and Eduardo than van Persie and Adebayor.

Eduardo moves in the box as good as any great striker and finishes as good as the best. He hasn't got the height or the power or the speed but that should only be a difference of about 5 goals per season between him and the very best. If Arsenal learn how to play with Bendtner, Eduardo and Arshavin, we will not notice deficiencies in central midfield and we will be in for a good season.

I am not a betting man. People bet on their conventional knowledge of the thing they bet on (like the fact that Manchester United is expected to beat Portsmouth); others bet using statistics that show trends (like the fact that certain teams don't lose at home), etc. This year, I would like to bet on my instinct only. My instinct is that Bendtner and Eduardo will get more than 20 goals each. In my mind, van Persie is the third choice striker.


No way Bendtner will outscore Van Persie. Bendtner dosn't take free kicks or penalties and appears to lack the impact as a starter that you may get when he comes on as sub. His focus appears to be limited plus he is a prime grade shithong! No way is he better than Van Persie.

silly me i thought you're arguement was going to lose substance until you got to this particular point.

genius analysis, douche.


How very mature of you, I can see why you support a team of boys and a coach who loves to coach them. Doh worry what ever your response to this may or may not be, you resorting to name calling already shows how much of a mental midget you really are. Keep thinking small  :applause:, glad to be able to give you an opportunity to prove it once again :beermug:

i called you a douche because you wasted my time with a pointless analysis, "His focus appears to be limited plus he is a prime grade shithong"

after his focus appears limited i thought maybe you'd conjure some sort of substance, but as per usual a shitpost from the man who calls me a mental midget, right.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on August 10, 2009, 10:55:06 AM
Much talk about Arsenal interest in Chamakh who I believe has a lot of potential. But I think PSG's Hoarau is a better striker. But I eh really know his habits and attitude, I just like how he clinical in the box and difficult to pin down.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 13, 2009, 10:00:57 AM
In an unexpected (by me at least) development the bank RBS (which owns Nat West) sneaked out a statement while I was on holiday, explaining why it keeps on lending money to Liverpool – and why it wants to do it more and more.

These wonderful and exciting people said: "In our view and that of the executive management of the club, it is financially healthy and able to service comfortably its debt obligations from cash flow generated by its playing and commercial activities. It is in our commercial interest to support the club."

So to be quite clear on this the bank has said, no matter how counter-productive it is for the club to be massively in debt, and to have taken the money that was given for the new stadium and used it instead to arrange the buy out of the club by the Americans, the bank approves. The loan is great news for the bank, and they would like more of it. There is no way they are going to stop.

The fact is that Liverpool Insolvency pay the bank £36.5 million each year every year and has no chance of paying the money it borrowed back to the bank. They can just about manage the interest, nothing more.

Likewise they also have limited chance of going bust in the eyes of the bank because there will always be other American sports owners, not to mention oil billionaires wanting to take the club over. And there are a bunch of people who want to go to football matches at Liverpool.

But there is an even stronger back up for the bank - the clubs' owners have now put up guarantees to the effect that they will pay up on the club's debt if the club were to go bust.

In terms of Liverpool going bust there are a couple of ways this could happen.

First, they could do a Leeds - paying more and more money for players, putting them on ever higher salaries, and endlessly upping the cost of running the club. The problem with this strategy is that if ever the money runs out then the club is in trouble.

I've no idea what would happen if Liverpool didn't get into the Champs League for a couple of years (remember they didn't about 3 or 4 years ago – Everton took their place). When this happened they got UEFA to change the rules at the last second, and so were given a spot – maybe they can rely on that again, but I am not sure.

It is possible for any big club not to get in to the Champs League for a year or two. Milan didn't last year, Bayern Munich have missed out on occasion, and even the big two in Spain have had their off years.

So it is possible that a downturn for Liverpool could leave to a big enough drop in income to make it hard to pay back this year's debt interest.

Second, the owners could find that they are called upon to use their wealth in other areas of their business. If one of the other franchises that they hold went down, then they could find themselves unable to guarantee the £350m debt, and the bank would not like that.

The situation is different at West Iceland United where the bank owns the club and the bank has gone bust. What the bank is trying to do is avoid being ordered by the courts to pay the money it owes to its creditors because that would mean having to arrange a quick sale of the club – and that would bring in a much lower level of money. An announcement on the next steps is expected any time now.

As for Arsenal – there is no debt to be rearranged. It is there, and fixed and working its way through, just like the mortgage on your house (if you have a mortgage that is. And a house).

Now you might think this is excellent news – Arsenal have been prudent, and although they have taken a risk with the apartments at Highbury and the business premises they bought up - they have structured their assets in such a way as to be able to handle the delay in income.

But from a banking point of view, this is a disaster. The banks love Liverpool because, as they say, Liverpool is good news for the banks. Same for Manchester IOU although they are much closer to the edge than Liverpool. But Arsenal are of no interest because Arsenal are not under the thumb of the banks. The mortgage is an agreement which is running its course and will ultimately be paid off.

So the banks support big clubs in debt, and indeed have a vested interest in football in debt. They will keep football in debt as long as they possibly can – and in this regard they are aided by the FA, the EPL, UEFA and the eternally corrupt FIFA. If any of these organisations had the interest of football at heart they would remove the power of the bankers and sort out football finances. The fact that they fail to says it all really.

There is some movement on the financial front – and you may have noticed a stream of little clubs getting 10 or more points penalties for financial problems – but this is a matter that is kept in the realm of the little clubs. The notion of controlling the finances of the bigger clubs seems way beyond the reach of the FA etc, and for this the bankers are eternally grateful.

Reproduced with permission from Untold Arsenal.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on August 13, 2009, 02:21:20 PM
a lil something to put ah smirk on allyuh arsenal fans faces today....


Hleb: I was wrong to leave Gunners

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Hleb-I-was-wrong-to-leave-Gunners-article112017.html (http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Hleb-I-was-wrong-to-leave-Gunners-article112017.html)

Alexander Hleb admits he made a mistake in leaving Arsenal last summer.

The Belarus midfielder has returned to Stuttgart, four years after he left the Bundesliga side, on a year-long loan deal after a difficult season at Barcelona. Hleb rarely featured as the Catalans stormed to the treble and he believes he should never have left North London.

He told ESPN: "Of course I regret leaving Arsenal. I was playing every week for one of the most exciting sides in Europe, a team which was always in the top four in the Premier League and were Champions League contenders."

He added: "Also, I was being guided by one of the best coaches in the world in Arsene Wenger. I owe him a great deal.

"I developed a better all-round game under him and I became more robust physically, learnt to look up more and play better passes and generally improved greatly as a team player. No player ever gets worse under Wenger. For me, leaving Arsenal was not a good move.

"A footballer only exists when he takes to the field and makes a proper contribution to the team and even though I was part of a Barca squad that was almost unstoppable, it was hard not to feel detached from all the happiness and celebration at the end."

Arsenal also had a poor season as they finished in fourth place in the Barclays Premier League, 18 points behind Manchester United who also dumped them out of the Champions League at the semi-final stage, winning 4-1 on aggregate. However, Hleb feels Arsenal can usurp United this season.

"Obviously, I still look out for Arsenal each week and I hope they can do well this time," he added.

"I think they will be in the top four again and could even push for the title if they don't have the terrible injuries of last season.

"People forget the long unbeaten run they had after Christmas last season, which was a good sign for this season."
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on August 13, 2009, 02:45:05 PM
a lil something to put ah smirk on allyuh arsenal fans faces today....


Hleb: I was wrong to leave Gunners

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Hleb-I-was-wrong-to-leave-Gunners-article112017.html (http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Hleb-I-was-wrong-to-leave-Gunners-article112017.html)

Alexander Hleb admits he made a mistake in leaving Arsenal last summer.

The Belarus midfielder has returned to Stuttgart, four years after he left the Bundesliga side, on a year-long loan deal after a difficult season at Barcelona. Hleb rarely featured as the Catalans stormed to the treble and he believes he should never have left North London.

He told ESPN: "Of course I regret leaving Arsenal. I was playing every week for one of the most exciting sides in Europe, a team which was always in the top four in the Premier League and were Champions League contenders."

He added: "Also, I was being guided by one of the best coaches in the world in Arsene Wenger. I owe him a great deal.

"I developed a better all-round game under him and I became more robust physically, learnt to look up more and play better passes and generally improved greatly as a team player. No player ever gets worse under Wenger. For me, leaving Arsenal was not a good move.

"A footballer only exists when he takes to the field and makes a proper contribution to the team and even though I was part of a Barca squad that was almost unstoppable, it was hard not to feel detached from all the happiness and celebration at the end."

Arsenal also had a poor season as they finished in fourth place in the Barclays Premier League, 18 points behind Manchester United who also dumped them out of the Champions League at the semi-final stage, winning 4-1 on aggregate. However, Hleb feels Arsenal can usurp United this season.

"Obviously, I still look out for Arsenal each week and I hope they can do well this time," he added.

"I think they will be in the top four again and could even push for the title if they don't have the terrible injuries of last season.

"People forget the long unbeaten run they had after Christmas last season, which was a good sign for this season."


If you want to give them a bigger 'smirk' post the article about Bendtner giving people refunds for buying his jersey with his old number since he has a new number. Oh joy, I wander how many fans he actually has who were willing to spend money on a jersey with his name on the back. Gunner you have one?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on August 13, 2009, 02:45:59 PM
Good luck on your season Gunner hope you doe well enough to keep Man City on the outside looking in!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on August 14, 2009, 07:49:42 AM
This is long (13 pages) but a very good read. Wenger reveals alot in this interview. Full transcript:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/arsenal/article6796014.ece
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kicker on August 14, 2009, 08:20:44 AM
a lil something to put ah smirk on allyuh arsenal fans faces today....


Hleb: I was wrong to leave Gunners

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Hleb-I-was-wrong-to-leave-Gunners-article112017.html (http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Hleb-I-was-wrong-to-leave-Gunners-article112017.html)

Alexander Hleb admits he made a mistake in leaving Arsenal last summer.

The Belarus midfielder has returned to Stuttgart, four years after he left the Bundesliga side, on a year-long loan deal after a difficult season at Barcelona. Hleb rarely featured as the Catalans stormed to the treble and he believes he should never have left North London.

He told ESPN: "Of course I regret leaving Arsenal. I was playing every week for one of the most exciting sides in Europe, a team which was always in the top four in the Premier League and were Champions League contenders."

He added: "Also, I was being guided by one of the best coaches in the world in Arsene Wenger. I owe him a great deal.

"I developed a better all-round game under him and I became more robust physically, learnt to look up more and play better passes and generally improved greatly as a team player. No player ever gets worse under Wenger. For me, leaving Arsenal was not a good move.

"A footballer only exists when he takes to the field and makes a proper contribution to the team and even though I was part of a Barca squad that was almost unstoppable, it was hard not to feel detached from all the happiness and celebration at the end."

Arsenal also had a poor season as they finished in fourth place in the Barclays Premier League, 18 points behind Manchester United who also dumped them out of the Champions League at the semi-final stage, winning 4-1 on aggregate. However, Hleb feels Arsenal can usurp United this season.

"Obviously, I still look out for Arsenal each week and I hope they can do well this time," he added.

"I think they will be in the top four again and could even push for the title if they don't have the terrible injuries of last season.

"People forget the long unbeaten run they had after Christmas last season, which was a good sign for this season."


On his best day Hleb can rub shoulders with the best of central middies, but to walk into Barcelona and break up the Xavi Iniesta combo, yuh hadda come better than good...yuh hadda be really really special.  I don't remember the details but it might be that Hleb wanted a shot at winning a major title and saw that opportunity at Barca moreso than at Arsenal...Now he realizes that there's as much if not more joy in playing week in week out for a team that is knocking on the door, than sitting on the bench for a team that's winning...I'm not sure if all players feel that way but I think I would agree with him.  Oh well Stuttgart is the place where he first began to shine in the mainstream, so he can probably turn a bitter sweet homecoming into something special and see where it takes him......
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 14, 2009, 01:07:13 PM
Good luck on your season Gunner hope you doe well enough to keep Man City on the outside looking in!
same to you son
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on August 14, 2009, 01:34:32 PM
a lil something to put ah smirk on allyuh arsenal fans faces today....


Hleb: I was wrong to leave Gunners

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Hleb-I-was-wrong-to-leave-Gunners-article112017.html (http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Hleb-I-was-wrong-to-leave-Gunners-article112017.html)

Alexander Hleb admits he made a mistake in leaving Arsenal last summer.

The Belarus midfielder has returned to Stuttgart, four years after he left the Bundesliga side, on a year-long loan deal after a difficult season at Barcelona. Hleb rarely featured as the Catalans stormed to the treble and he believes he should never have left North London.

He told ESPN: "Of course I regret leaving Arsenal. I was playing every week for one of the most exciting sides in Europe, a team which was always in the top four in the Premier League and were Champions League contenders."

He added: "Also, I was being guided by one of the best coaches in the world in Arsene Wenger. I owe him a great deal.

"I developed a better all-round game under him and I became more robust physically, learnt to look up more and play better passes and generally improved greatly as a team player. No player ever gets worse under Wenger. For me, leaving Arsenal was not a good move.

"A footballer only exists when he takes to the field and makes a proper contribution to the team and even though I was part of a Barca squad that was almost unstoppable, it was hard not to feel detached from all the happiness and celebration at the end."

Arsenal also had a poor season as they finished in fourth place in the Barclays Premier League, 18 points behind Manchester United who also dumped them out of the Champions League at the semi-final stage, winning 4-1 on aggregate. However, Hleb feels Arsenal can usurp United this season.

"Obviously, I still look out for Arsenal each week and I hope they can do well this time," he added.

"I think they will be in the top four again and could even push for the title if they don't have the terrible injuries of last season.

"People forget the long unbeaten run they had after Christmas last season, which was a good sign for this season."


I ent smirking. In my opinion, Hleb was one of the the biggest losses for Arsenal, almost as big as Henry.

To me it looked like Wenger was grooming him up to be the next Bergkamp. He finally got Hleb to play the Arsenal way and then the man left for greener pastures. I suppose you can look at his exit as lose-lose. But he have a CL trophy and Arsenal does not.

His distribution and decision making were much improved in his time with Wenger and combined with his dribbling skills and ability to keep the ball (providing a secure outlet to a harried defense).

But he made the calculation then and he's checking the totals now. He have the trophies. He wasn't looking too comfortable in that Stuttgart game last weekend though, but I'm sure he'll adjust.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 14, 2009, 01:47:55 PM
can't wait for lunch time tomorrow!!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on August 15, 2009, 11:20:39 AM
Oh gorm Arsene!
Yuh winning, smile nah
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Peong on August 15, 2009, 11:26:46 AM
Arsenal rampant in de first.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on August 15, 2009, 11:28:38 AM
Arsenal rampant in de first.

cosign...BUT the knock still ent as crisp as it could be..this is a really different arsenal so far boy, 2 goals from free kicks and one from a shot... :o
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Peong on August 15, 2009, 11:45:27 AM
Fabregas with #4!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on August 15, 2009, 12:07:50 PM
Yuh mean #5

This is a cutass!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Daft Trini on August 15, 2009, 12:11:17 PM
As the american commentators say... Tim Howard is one of the best keepers in the world....  :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: black chinee on August 15, 2009, 12:14:31 PM
GOOOOONERS it is a pitty, Everton did not show up today
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Daft Trini on August 15, 2009, 12:16:10 PM
GOOOOONERS it is a pitty, Everton did not show up today

Black Chinee is you.... good to see you around  :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Reaper2004 on August 15, 2009, 12:25:52 PM
6-0
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: jason23 on August 15, 2009, 12:34:48 PM
woiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii..........................gooooner 4 lifeeeeeeeeeeee...die hard goooner.........woi woi...... :beermug: :beermug: :beermug: :beermug: :rotfl:.........we now start allyuh u haters ...we now start..we comin 4 the title...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on August 15, 2009, 12:38:54 PM
The race goes not to the swift....
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 15, 2009, 12:40:08 PM
one down 37 to go
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Jahyouth on August 15, 2009, 12:58:32 PM
Any questions?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: morvant on August 15, 2009, 01:48:57 PM
 ;D

big side
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Touches on August 15, 2009, 01:52:41 PM
 ;D

quietly confident about this season...will feel better when we buy a defensive mid and another fwd
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on August 15, 2009, 02:36:12 PM
As the american commentators say... Tim Howard is one of the best keepers in the world....  :rotfl:

Kiss of the goatmout commentators! I didn't see the match, but damn Everton geh 6? Weeey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Daft Trini on August 15, 2009, 03:18:19 PM
Everton deserve that licks today... any team who approve that ugly ass uniform deserve to be shafted whole season...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: takenoprisoners on August 15, 2009, 03:22:47 PM
As the american commentators say... Tim Howard is one of the best keepers in the world....  :rotfl:

Kiss of the goatmout commentators! I didn't see the match, but damn Everton geh 6? Weeey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hilites
Bendtner v Baines  :o

http://videos.sapo.pt/V5qBuRcGAhw3uaOGPJ1O
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kicker on August 15, 2009, 03:34:20 PM
Good result for Arsenal- scoreline was a bit flattering- they were very effective and the run of the ball was very much in their favor today (almost everything on target went in- that usually doesn't happen).... but there's no better way to start a season.

Looks as if the Arsenal mode of over-playing the game, and sometimes over complicating the approach play has diminished somewhat- they were less afraid to play a more direct game without the seemingly and and sometimes useless frills...not sure if that's an indication of what the season has in store, but it worked....
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: takenoprisoners on August 15, 2009, 03:55:31 PM
Looks as if the Arsenal mode of over-playing the game, and sometimes over complicating the approach play

Does the 4-3-3 encourage a more direct game forward passes? Instead of overplaying the lateral passes in a 4-5-1 or 4-4-2 that extra forward in a 4-3-3 perhaps presents the midfielder with more direct upfield passing  options. Just a theory.
Fixed  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on August 15, 2009, 03:57:39 PM


As the american commentators say... Tim Howard is one of the best keepers in the world....  :rotfl:

Kiss of the goatmout commentators! I didn't see the match, but damn Everton geh 6? Weeey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hilites
Bendtner v Baines  :o

http://videos.sapo.pt/V5qBuRcGAhw3uaOGPJ1O



Thanks for the high and low lites! Well done  Arsenal, hope you can do it for the full season. Love that term 'the ball had the information'. Is there any side this year who's new uniform isn't ugly? Damn Everton!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: freakazoid on August 15, 2009, 04:02:10 PM
seems like cesc and jarque( espanyol player that died recently) were really good pals. now remember espanyol is in barcelona also.

really nice gesture on his 2nd goal
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on August 15, 2009, 04:11:01 PM
seems like cesc and jarque( espanyol player that died recently) were really good pals. now remember espanyol is in barcelona also.

really nice gesture on his 2nd goal


 I was wondering who he loss or if he suddenly found religion.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on August 15, 2009, 04:56:29 PM
Looks as if the Arsenal mode of over-playing the game, and sometimes over complicating the approach play

Does the 4-3-3 encourage a more direct game? Instead of overplaying the lateral passes in a 4-5-1 or 4-4-2 that extra forward in a 4-3-3 perhaps presents the midfielder with more direct passing  options. Just a theory.

I would not say so. Arsenal first goal was typical Arsenal full of passes and then a long range bullet. Then two set play gaosl (unlike Arsenal). Then Everton had no choice but to come forward and got caught on the counter. For me today Van Persie was not effective and looked uncomfortable, then again he will need time in this new role. All in all I did not see any evidence of direct play from Arsenal.  Overall their counter attack looked more effective (speed wise).
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: elan on August 15, 2009, 05:59:56 PM
There is no way TIM HOWARD was in the goal for everton. No way any keeper that is as good as Casillas could get 6.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kicker on August 15, 2009, 09:37:52 PM

I would not say so. Arsenal first goal was typical Arsenal full of passes and then a long range bullet. Then two set play gaosl (unlike Arsenal). Then Everton had no choice but to come forward and got caught on the counter. For me today Van Persie was not effective and looked uncomfortable, then again he will need time in this new role. All in all I did not see any evidence of direct play from Arsenal.  Overall their counter attack looked more effective (speed wise).

Don't think their play was direct per se...after all it's Arsenal- the patient passing game is their thing.... but I think there was alot less over-passing than they've been notorious for over the years....
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on August 15, 2009, 10:11:12 PM
;D

quietly confident about this season...will feel better when we buy a defensive mid and another fwd

I say a DM and a CB.
After Vermaelen and Gallas in CB is ..... Djourou/Silvestre/Senderos  :-\
Likewise with DM appears we have no options other than Song and Denilson

We have decent depth in the fwd dept. With this formation players like Nasri, Rosicky and Walcott could be used in the front three rather than in midfield. Add Vela and Wilshere to who played today and that's 9 options.
 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: ckhan on August 16, 2009, 08:32:42 AM
Glad for the great start but was not expecting 6.  Passes and run off de ball looked crisp.  Hope we can play like dis against the likes of Hull, Burney and Wolves as well!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 17, 2009, 11:02:18 AM
ra ready for celtic tomorrow, then bring on the pompey, start the season at home!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 19, 2009, 07:12:48 AM
2-0 to the arsenal

a gallas "back" on form

and underpressure own goal

take the lead and go to emirates an catch them on the counter attack

up next portsmouth i believe

also, diaby grew hair, and a goatee, like he commit some crime and change he identity
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kicker on August 19, 2009, 07:20:00 AM
2-0 to the arsenal

a gallas "back" on form

and underpressure own goal

take the lead and go to emirates an catch them on the counter attack

up next portsmouth i believe

also, diaby grew hair, and a goatee, like he commit some crime and change he identity

That game was real stale...Neither team created any real good opportunities on goal.

Arsenal was clearly the better team but in the end just wore down the opposition to win...

At least that what's my impression was up until a little after the 2nd goal pretty deep in the 2nd half- put the DVR on fast forward after that. 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 19, 2009, 11:46:41 AM
2-0 to the arsenal

a gallas "back" on form

and underpressure own goal

take the lead and go to emirates an catch them on the counter attack

up next portsmouth i believe

also, diaby grew hair, and a goatee, like he commit some crime and change he identity

That game was real stale...Neither team created any real good opportunities on goal.

Arsenal was clearly the better team but in the end just wore down the opposition to win...

At least that what's my impression was up until a little after the 2nd goal pretty deep in the 2nd half- put the DVR on fast forward after that. 
quite true but it was arsneals first time in a competitive game at celtic, still they didnt look to nervous but very focused on getting the job done
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 21, 2009, 01:25:28 PM
ah yes relaxing from after work till that game
cyar wait

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: onlikecorn on August 23, 2009, 04:34:33 AM
arsenal lookin good . .but it early still . . . cyah wait fuh saturday when they travel to old trafford. ..

also arsenal are rumoured to be in the market for rafael van der vaart who i feel go fit in with their style of play well . .although i was hopin that they bought a proven striker and more so another centre back . .they kinda lackin in the centre back area in terms of depth. . .

but i always backed them so i backin them again this year . . .
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 24, 2009, 07:56:34 AM
celtic home then up the road to manu both teams finally get a real test to see what thier "weakened" sides looking like
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Peong on August 24, 2009, 10:16:14 AM
So Van Persie's pass to the English youth to score, was that genius or was the defense shittin down theyself?
Van Persie had 3 defenders around him.

He eh score yet but has 3 assists for the season.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 24, 2009, 03:47:41 PM
fyi ramsey is welsh, that makes him british not english

anyway teams are very aware of van p threat and have to close him down which opens up fo rthe likes of eduardo and arshavin and mid field
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kicker on August 24, 2009, 03:55:41 PM
So Van Persie's pass to the English youth to score, was that genius or was the defense shittin down theyself?
Van Persie had 3 defenders around him.

He eh score yet but has 3 assists for the season.

Good pass- well weighted, but the marking/tracking was non-existent...so a bit of both I suppose....At the end of the day, you'd have to praise the pass more than anything else (and the well timed run)...most through passes are intended at a player that beats an offside trap or was able to escape a marker/achieve isolation be that as it may, it still takes vision & techniqe to execute...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on August 24, 2009, 04:15:22 PM
So Van Persie's pass to the English youth to score, was that genius or was the defense shittin down theyself?
Van Persie had 3 defenders around him.

He eh score yet but has 3 assists for the season.

It's Van Persie ... so it's genius  ;D

Carlton Cole pass to Defoe ... was that genius?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 24, 2009, 04:38:48 PM
carlton need ah cuff in he mout

effin give spurs impetus to go top of table
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 25, 2009, 07:57:46 AM
Someone is going to get the chance to stake a claim for the first team tomorrow. The captain will not be risked, rightly so, despite the "reassuring" results of his hamstring scan. Happily there is no strain to the muscle and there is a chance that Cesc will be fit for Saturday evening's game. Though on a personal level, I feel disappointed that Celtic's roughing up of the captain has been rewarded with his withdrawal from the second leg, I would also say that if a midfield three of Denilson, Alex Song and Abou Diaby / Aaron Ramsey aren't strong enough to see Arsenal home when they are two goals up, then we're in real trouble. But I have no doubts that whoever replaces Cesc will do so admirably.

Having not been able to get tickets for either the Portsmouth or Celtic games, due to personal circumstances - "personal"? surely you mean financial? - yes, quite right. Anyway, the thought of paying £43+ to see Wigan doesn't really appeal either. On the other hand, I love Blackburn Rovers. Yes, a strange admission to make, I know. But hear me out, before you start shouting at me to start a blog entitled "Tales From Paul Robinson Road" or some such thing. I love Blackburn Rovers because they never seem to take a full allocation of tickets. I guess the fact that the game is a 1.30 PM kick-off, and on a Sunday too, might have had something to do with it, but I've been able to get hold of two £32.50 tickets for the bottom corner of the soon to be named something else "Green" quadrant. I just need to remember not to intimate that Blackburn fans are jumping around like monkeys - long story - and I'm sure my first visit of the new season will be an enjoyable one.

Perhaps the renaming of the quadrants will not happen any time in the immediate future, but it is a relatively small thing that Ivan Gazidis on his radar. I don't think an Arsenal fan alive understood at the time why the board were happy to have fans join in the process of naming bars they'll likely never even drink in, whilst the areas of the ground that you can't avoid were given, if you'll pardon the expression, such colourless titles. It's good to know, though, that this will be rectified and also that the Clock will be returning to a position inside the stadium. It doesn't sound like much, but I think whilst the board, Fiszman, Friar et al did a great job of delivering this huge project on time and on budget, it's the small things that the supporter picks up on.

It's nice to see that Mr Gazidis recognises that the stadium is "our fans' house". It seems to me that this is is something that has escaped the club, even the manager, from time to time. After all, if you didn't like what someone was doing in your house, you wouldn't be slow to tell him so, would you?

Just a small piece of transfer goss to pass on today, or repeat if you've already seen it. My favourite paper as a kid, the Ealing Gazette, reckons that QPR are about to sign Jay Simpson on a season long loan. I've been waiting to see whether Everton selling Lescott will see Senderos much mooted move to Goodison happen, but is it me or has that one died a death?

More tomorrow.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Jahyouth on August 25, 2009, 09:12:18 AM
We need more depth.  I am never worried about Arsenal in August, September and October.  I am worried about them in February, March and April.

Injuries/fatigue due to lack of squad size.

We need to buy another center back and another striker.  Another center midfielder would also be nice. Miguel Veloso from Sporting is a great buy.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on August 25, 2009, 09:35:05 AM
We need more depth.  I am never worried about Arsenal in August, September and October.  I am worried about them in February, March and April.

Injuries/fatigue due to lack of squad size.

We need to buy another center back and another striker.  Another center midfielder would also be nice. Miguel Veloso from Sporting is a great buy.

Rumour is Wenger is back in for Matuidi. I think Arsenal needs a midfielder w/ defensive qualities more than they need another forward.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 25, 2009, 01:49:31 PM
d man saying no no no

he will never admit anything unles sa deal almost complete or will just turn up and shwo a new dude

but rigth now the dynamic is great and he probably doesnt want to unsettle that with a new player not yet gelled with the side
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on August 25, 2009, 02:16:12 PM
At least he comfirms that he wants to buy before the window closes. He has one more week.
Wenger likes to leave it late. Which is frustrating.
Still hoping for a CB and a CDM. An experienced CDM for Song/Denilson to learn from. Plus Song and Eboue will be off to the ACN.
We have enough going forward, but would love to see Wenger sign Van Der Vaart. He is a steal at 6-7 Mil.

This thread is very quiet and peaceful when Arsenal winning some games yes. Everybody hiding.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on August 25, 2009, 06:11:33 PM
At least he comfirms that he wants to buy before the window closes. He has one more week.
Wenger likes to leave it late. Which is frustrating.
Still hoping for a CB and a CDM. An experienced CDM for Song/Denilson to learn from. Plus Song and Eboue will be off to the ACN.
We have enough going forward, but would love to see Wenger sign Van Der Vaart. He is a steal at 6-7 Mil.

This thread is very quiet and peaceful when Arsenal winning some games yes. Everybody hiding.

I think they waiting to secure champions league qualification before making any transfers. As CL qualification = more money for the club and will appeal to the ambition of their transfer targets.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on August 26, 2009, 01:16:09 PM
eduardo, eduardo, eduardo... yuh duttiness!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on August 26, 2009, 02:36:16 PM
Bendtner as a striker is the weakest link. Out wide his touch can be forgiven and he does do some decent work. Up front????? Today he gave away so many balls and slowed the attack.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 27, 2009, 04:25:45 AM
eduardo, eduardo, eduardo... yuh duttiness!!
drogba drogba drogba rock so with yuh two facedness
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: acb on August 27, 2009, 08:25:36 AM
eduardo, eduardo, eduardo... yuh duttiness!!

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/27082009/58/champions-league-eduardo-faces-ban-dive.html (http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/27082009/58/champions-league-eduardo-faces-ban-dive.html)

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Champions League - Eduardo faces ban over 'dive'
Eurosport - Thu, 27 Aug 13:16:00 2009

Arsenal striker Eduardo could face a two-match Champions League ban if UEFA decide to charge him with diving.

UEFA disciplinary officials are reviewing the incident when the Croatia striker won a penalty against Celtic on Wednesday night before deciding whether he will be charged.

A UEFA spokesman said: "We are reviewing the match to see whether a disciplinary investigation should be launched."

Under UEFA rules, if charged and found guilty Eduardo could face sanctions up to a two-match ban in European competition.

Scottish Football Association chief executive Gordon Smith has called for Eduardo to face action and UEFA president Michel Platini confirmed he could be suspended.

Platini, speaking in Monaco, said: "There are disciplinary procedures at UEFA and the procedure could be taken to suspend the player.

"Scotland often start such procedures, last time it was a Lithuania player who was sanctioned."

Platini said his plan of having two additional assistant referees, one behind each goal-line, would cut down on diving. The scheme is being trialled in this season's Europa League.

He added: "One day players will give up simulating because referees will see them. For years players have cheated because the referees were not of a good enough quality.

"I am convinced if you have referees close by that will prevent players from simulating and players will take the right decision. I have always said better to have more referees than a multiplication of disciplinary procedures."

SFA chief Smith wants UEFA to act retrospectively to punish Eduardo in the same way they dealt with Lithuania striker Saulius Mikoliunas, who cheated to earn a spot-kick against Scotland at Hampden Park in September 2007.

Video evidence was used to sanction Mikoliunas, who was banned for two matches. Smith said: "Eduardo is a terrific player who has battled back from a serious injury to resume playing at the highest level.

"However, last night he showed disrespect to the game by his actions in winning a penalty against Celtic.

"Since I came into this post, I have raised the issue of simulation time and time again - both here in Scotland and with FIFA and UEFA.

"I don't think that I have received enough support in my efforts to eradicate what I believe to be one of the most serious threats to the integrity of football. Last night showed exactly why we must take this issue seriously.

"We have shown the courage to use retrospective punishment when it comes to simulation and I would urge UEFA to do so in this instance. Everything that can be done to stamp it out must be done - starting right now."

PA Sport


... and now for a case of Alex Fergusonitis

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Champions League - Wenger: Eduardo is no cheat
Eurosport - Thu, 27 Aug 15:06:00 2009

Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger refused to admit Eduardo dived to win a penalty against Celtic in their 3-1 Champions League play-off second leg victory at the Emirates.

Eduardo went to ground when Celtic goalkeeper Artur Boruc rushed out on the half-hour mark, but replays showed there was no contact between the players.

Eduardo dusted himself off to score from the spot and send Arsenal on their way to a comfortable win that gave Wenger's team a 5-1 aggregate victory and a place in the Champions League group stage.

But Wenger stopped short of branding his player a cheat.

"Eduardo might be a bit cautious because of the injury that he had. He might have jumped out of the way," Wenger said.

"I've never asked a guy to dive to get a penalty but sometimes a player goes down because there is no way to escape a keeper.

"I would not go as far as to say that he dived but I don't think he would have complained if the penalty had not been given."

Celtic manager Tony Mowbray said: "I haven't seen the reruns but all the boys felt there wasn't any contact for the penalty. But we can't say Arsenal didn't deserve to go through."

Follow LIVE coverage of the Champions League group stage draw from 17:00 UK time!

Eurosport
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: elan on August 27, 2009, 08:41:29 AM
This trend of penalizing players after game is over will spoil football. The man dive, so what the ref get take, that is the natuer of the game deception.
Using footage for a Zidane type incident is one thing, but for things like diving, goals, offside, fouls etc, should be left up o refs. Why not add other referees at the four corners of the pitch including the mobile center and two linesmen.

I really don't want all this set of replays after the game and then players being penalize post game. If this is the case then replay the entire game and clean it up see what happens. Every call or no call is a potential goal. So, if they are using tv replays for dives and other fouls, then after the game check to see if goals scored were offside or if they crossed the line.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on August 27, 2009, 08:47:50 AM
This trend of penalizing players after game is over will spoil football. The man dive, so what the ref get take, that is the natuer of the game deception.
Using footage for a Zidane type incident is one thing, but for things like diving, goals, offside, fouls etc, should be left up o refs. Why not add other referees at the four corners of the pitch including the mobile center and two linesmen.

I really don't want all this set of replays after the game and then players being penalize post game. If this is the case then replay the entire game and clean it up see what happens. Every call or no call is a potential goal. So, if they are using tv replays for dives and other fouls, then after the game check to see if goals scored were offside or if they crossed the line.

You eh bet yuh does talk some shit sometimes nah!!  Why not penalize them?  If is a 1-0 win on a cheat goal then I could see reason in replaying the match but a 3-0/ 3-1 win should be replayed because of a player conning the ref?  They should ban them for an optional 3rd match with the 3rd being the final should the team reach there.  Bet they will stop wid dat assness!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on August 27, 2009, 10:06:14 AM
This trend of penalizing players after game is over will spoil football. The man dive, so what the ref get take, that is the natuer of the game deception.
Using footage for a Zidane type incident is one thing, but for things like diving, goals, offside, fouls etc, should be left up o refs. Why not add other referees at the four corners of the pitch including the mobile center and two linesmen.

I really don't want all this set of replays after the game and then players being penalize post game. If this is the case then replay the entire game and clean it up see what happens. Every call or no call is a potential goal. So, if they are using tv replays for dives and other fouls, then after the game check to see if goals scored were offside or if they crossed the line.

You eh bet yuh does talk some shit sometimes nah!!  Why not penalize them?  If is a 1-0 win on a cheat goal then I could see reason in replaying the match but a 3-0/ 3-1 win should be replayed because of a player conning the ref?  They should ban them for an optional 3rd match with the 3rd being the final should the team reach there.  Bet they will stop wid dat assness!!

Time to bring in the robots to ref games I say!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on August 27, 2009, 10:23:34 AM
This trend of penalizing players after game is over will spoil football. The man dive, so what the ref get take, that is the natuer of the game deception.
Using footage for a Zidane type incident is one thing, but for things like diving, goals, offside, fouls etc, should be left up o refs. Why not add other referees at the four corners of the pitch including the mobile center and two linesmen.

I really don't want all this set of replays after the game and then players being penalize post game. If this is the case then replay the entire game and clean it up see what happens. Every call or no call is a potential goal. So, if they are using tv replays for dives and other fouls, then after the game check to see if goals scored were offside or if they crossed the line.

You eh bet yuh does talk some shit sometimes nah!!  Why not penalize them?  If is a 1-0 win on a cheat goal then I could see reason in replaying the match but a 3-0/ 3-1 win should be replayed because of a player conning the ref?  They should ban them for an optional 3rd match with the 3rd being the final should the team reach there.  Bet they will stop wid dat assness!!

Time to bring in the robots to ref games I say!

so crazy it just might work
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on August 27, 2009, 10:34:06 AM
Banning players is madness and would set a dangerous precedent.

Do they only get banned if it's in the penalty area?

Referees are instructed to card the players, so the players take the chance. The Ref is also a professional, so he makes the call. Ok he may get it wrong, mistakes happen. What happens if he (the ref) does not make the call and later we see it was a penalty? Do they fine the Referee?

We have seen big games where legitimate penalties were not given. It usually balances out.

Players making big dollars, after the game if video evidence shows the player dived, hit them some big fines.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: DeSoWa on August 27, 2009, 10:40:13 AM
Banning players is madness and would set a dangerous precedent.

Do they only get banned if it's in the penalty area?

Referees are instructed to card the players, so the players take the chance. The Ref is also a professional, so he makes the call. Ok he may get it wrong, mistakes happen. What happens if he (the ref) does not make the call and later we see it was a penalty? Do they fine the Referee?

We have seen big games where legitimate penalties were not given. It usually balances out.

Players making big dollars, after the game if video evidence shows the player dived, hit them some big fines.

This makes sense...oh, um, I mean Cosign!  ;D

Big Up!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bourbon on August 27, 2009, 10:53:07 AM
Let Ronaldo do it in a Man U uniform..yuh go hear people...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on August 27, 2009, 11:25:17 AM
Banning players is madness and would set a dangerous precedent.

Do they only get banned if it's in the penalty area?

Referees are instructed to card the players, so the players take the chance. The Ref is also a professional, so he makes the call. Ok he may get it wrong, mistakes happen. What happens if he (the ref) does not make the call and later we see it was a penalty? Do they fine the Referee?

We have seen big games where legitimate penalties were not given. It usually balances out.

Players making big dollars, after the game if video evidence shows the player dived, hit them some big fines.

More often the refs who miss big calls in big games do not get games on that level anymore.  If a ref blatantly ignore a penalty then they should get sanctioned too.  The refs have the power to card them, but they don't always see when a player dives.  If by virtue of various replay angles it can be determined that a player deliberately conned the ref or attempted to do so they should be banned.  That garbage f**ks up the sport and it should not be tollerated.  I feel if players know that the replays will be scrutinized heavily and they could be punished as a result of those reviews it will diminish the amount of theatrics on the field even further.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: doc on August 27, 2009, 11:43:02 AM
The referee got the call right!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on August 27, 2009, 11:52:23 AM
More often the refs who miss big calls in big games do not get games on that level anymore. [/b

This is not accurate at all. Only in the Premier I see them getting a game or two suspension and it has to be a real bad F#*ck up.
UEFA & FIFA referees just keep on refereeing like the energizer bunny. Look at Arcuna from Mexico, the man is a walking controversy yet he getting big game after big game.
What happened to Tom Henning Ovrebo in the Barca vs Chelsea game? This is the same referee who was at the center of a major controversy in the Italy vs Romania game. FIFA & UEFA usually bury their heads in the sand when it comes to referees.
Watch what happens on Corners, players hugging & holding long before the ball is kicked, and this is never addressed by referees (or UEFA and FIFA)

I agree diving should be punished, it makes me sick. So does all the BS in the penalty area on corners. Both players and referees need to held more accountable, but banning players and replaying games is unrealistic.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on August 27, 2009, 12:07:21 PM
More often the refs who miss big calls in big games do not get games on that level anymore. [/b

This is not accurate at all. Only in the Premier I see them getting a game or two suspension and it has to be a real bad F#*ck up.
UEFA & FIFA referees just keep on refereeing like the energizer bunny. Look at Arcuna from Mexico, the man is a walking controversy yet he getting big game after big game.
What happened to Tom Henning Ovrebo in the Barca vs Chelsea game? This is the same referee who was at the center of a major controversy in the Italy vs Romania game. FIFA & UEFA usually bury their heads in the sand when it comes to referees.
Watch what happens on Corners, players hugging & holding long before the ball is kicked, and this is never addressed by referees (or UEFA and FIFA)

I agree diving should be punished, it makes me sick. So does all the BS in the penalty area on corners. Both players and referees need to held more accountable, but banning players and replaying games is unrealistic.

I agree replaying games is unrealistic but I not against the banning at all.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 27, 2009, 01:59:24 PM
listen ref got it wrong

if the game was decided by that, deceison maybe the have a case

but other than that so it goes

rooney penalty against Arsenal to end the unbeaten run at 49, never a penalty

ronaldo dives all over the pitch surprised he doesn't do it in clubs restaurants and boutiques

drogba dives as though he's christ carrying a cross
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 28, 2009, 06:53:49 AM
So UEFA charge eduardo for diving

at least a yellow card for diving if found guilty

but fact is, it never was a penalty even if the keeper touched him, the ref got it all wrong, eduardo has played himself into a corner

i wonder if arsneal lost the game and faile dto go through if they would still charge him?

i for one welcome UEFA and FIFA clamping down on diving but on the field

but very hard for refs to determine what is or isn't

i await arsneal fc's offical response
 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 28, 2009, 07:03:00 AM
Manager Arsène Wenger has branded the decision from UEFA to charge striker Eduardo with 'deception' as a 'disgrace'. A panel studying video replays made the decision today to charge the Brazilian over his 'simulation' in the match between Arsenal and Celtic in mid-week.

Wenger said: "It singles out a player to be a cheat and that is not acceptable. We will not accept the way UEFA have treated this.

"I believe you can debate whether it is a penalty or not. But this charge implies that with intent and with a desire to cheat the referee, Eduardo did act.

"Having seen again the pictures, nothing is conclusive on that."

The irony of the decision is that the referee had consulted his linesman before making the decision to award the penalty. Has a video panel completely overruled the decision made by match officials?

We've also received several comments from readers saying that FIFA are unwilling to introduce video technology as it would remove the human aspect of the game. If true, it is an incredible reason as video technology would have prevented the media circus around the incident.

When sports like Formula 1 and tennis are embracing technology on all levels, it is yet a clear demonstration of how the people in charge of looking after the beautiful game are still stuck in the dark ages.

Pathetic.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on August 28, 2009, 08:37:05 AM
Great response from Wenger. 

Enjoy this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SrvoSKBsJA&NR=1

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Marcos on August 28, 2009, 08:47:49 AM
this is retarded
Even I thought it was a penalty when watching it live on tv. Very tough call.

This is an idiotic use of technology. Instead of using it to determine whether a ball has crossed the line and is a goal, they using tech to figure out if a man diving.

Idiotas
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: elan on August 28, 2009, 09:13:37 AM
This trend of penalizing players after game is over will spoil football. The man dive, so what the ref get take, that is the natuer of the game deception.
Using footage for a Zidane type incident is one thing, but for things like diving, goals, offside, fouls etc, should be left up o refs. Why not add other referees at the four corners of the pitch including the mobile center and two linesmen.

I really don't want all this set of replays after the game and then players being penalize post game. If this is the case then replay the entire game and clean it up see what happens. Every call or no call is a potential goal. So, if they are using tv replays for dives and other fouls, then after the game check to see if goals scored were offside or if they crossed the line.

You eh bet yuh does talk some shit sometimes nah!!  Why not penalize them?  If is a 1-0 win on a cheat goal then I could see reason in replaying the match but a 3-0/ 3-1 win should be replayed because of a player conning the ref?  They should ban them for an optional 3rd match with the 3rd being the final should the team reach there.  Bet they will stop wid dat assness!!


What you talking about. When the game done it done. No tv replay or nothing if the ref see it card do what ever, if he miss it he miss it. This is why football use to be so good until people like you come along and want to see every call be a correct one. The human aspect of the game is amazing and lends itself well to the anticipation, excitement and disappointment of the football.

I love that the ref is prone to mistakes. 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on August 28, 2009, 10:04:33 AM
This trend of penalizing players after game is over will spoil football. The man dive, so what the ref get take, that is the natuer of the game deception.
Using footage for a Zidane type incident is one thing, but for things like diving, goals, offside, fouls etc, should be left up o refs. Why not add other referees at the four corners of the pitch including the mobile center and two linesmen.

I really don't want all this set of replays after the game and then players being penalize post game. If this is the case then replay the entire game and clean it up see what happens. Every call or no call is a potential goal. So, if they are using tv replays for dives and other fouls, then after the game check to see if goals scored were offside or if they crossed the line.

You eh bet yuh does talk some shit sometimes nah!!  Why not penalize them?  If is a 1-0 win on a cheat goal then I could see reason in replaying the match but a 3-0/ 3-1 win should be replayed because of a player conning the ref?  They should ban them for an optional 3rd match with the 3rd being the final should the team reach there.  Bet they will stop wid dat assness!!


What you talking about. When the game done it done. No tv replay or nothing if the ref see it card do what ever, if he miss it he miss it. This is why football use to be so good until people like you come along and want to see every call be a correct one. The human aspect of the game is amazing and lends itself well to the anticipation, excitement and disappointment of the football.

I love that the ref is prone to mistakes. 

Wey de f**k yuh read dat?!!  I know they cannot see everything and get every call right.  I also know some ballers will take advantage of that and I dislike that practice.  At the end of the day is cheating and I rather a message is sent by the governing bodies that it wont be tollerated, than to have players continuosly doing dem f**kry an gettin away with it.  And I eh partial when is my team or country's players either.  If yuh decievin the ref I want to see yuh punished.  So doh attribute no bullshit that you projectin unto me.  I have never been afraid to state my position and that rubbish yuh say dey eh no wey near my thoughts.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on August 28, 2009, 10:15:11 AM
Banning players is madness and would set a dangerous precedent.

Do they only get banned if it's in the penalty area?

Referees are instructed to card the players, so the players take the chance. The Ref is also a professional, so he makes the call. Ok he may get it wrong, mistakes happen. What happens if he (the ref) does not make the call and later we see it was a penalty? Do they fine the Referee?

We have seen big games where legitimate penalties were not given. It usually balances out.

Players making big dollars, after the game if video evidence shows the player dived, hit them some big fines.

Where's the dangerous precedent you mentioned?  All the other stuff you mentioned implicates post-match review, but none of it addresses the aim of the proposal.  The goal isn't to get EVERY call right (a point also lost on Elan) but to help eliminate simulation.  Since when is deception "the nature of the game"?  Unless you fake out a man with a move, or run a man at the ball just before a free kick is taken "deception" has no part in football.

Your alternate solution of fining players rather than banning them promises to be even less effective than suspension.  Any system of fining players would have to be uniformed, meaning that all players would pay the same penalty for the same offense.  Maybe the fine would be graduated for repeat offenses, but rich players would pay the same price as not-so-rich players, meaning that the impact on the not-so-rich would be greater than it would be on the rich player.  Not that we should care about lower-paid players who dive, but the central point is what is a $10,000 fine (for instance) to a Cristiano Ronaldo or Didier Drogba?

Suspension is more effective because not only the player benefits from his diving, but the entire team.  So why not "punish" the entire team by forcing them to play without the diver?  This way he will realize the selfishness of his actions, affecting not just the opposing team, but his own team and organization as well.  If the suspension is withouth pay then that would be even better.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on August 28, 2009, 10:56:35 AM
Banning players is madness and would set a dangerous precedent.

Do they only get banned if it's in the penalty area?

Referees are instructed to card the players, so the players take the chance. The Ref is also a professional, so he makes the call. Ok he may get it wrong, mistakes happen. What happens if he (the ref) does not make the call and later we see it was a penalty? Do they fine the Referee?

We have seen big games where legitimate penalties were not given. It usually balances out.

Players making big dollars, after the game if video evidence shows the player dived, hit them some big fines.

Where's the dangerous precedent you mentioned?  All the other stuff you mentioned implicates post-match review, but none of it addresses the aim of the proposal.  The goal isn't to get EVERY call right (a point also lost on Elan) but to help eliminate simulation.  Since when is deception "the nature of the game"?  Unless you fake out a man with a move, or run a man at the ball just before a free kick is taken "deception" has no part in football.

Your alternate solution of fining players rather than banning them promises to be even less effective than suspension.  Any system of fining players would have to be uniformed, meaning that all players would pay the same penalty for the same offense.  Maybe the fine would be graduated for repeat offenses, but rich players would pay the same price as not-so-rich players, meaning that the impact on the not-so-rich would be greater than it would be on the rich player.  Not that we should care about lower-paid players who dive, but the central point is what is a $10,000 fine (for instance) to a Cristiano Ronaldo or Didier Drogba?

Suspension is more effective because not only the player benefits from his diving, but the entire team.  So why not "punish" the entire team by forcing them to play without the diver?  This way he will realize the selfishness of his actions, affecting not just the opposing team, but his own team and organization as well.  If the suspension is withouth pay then that would be even better.

Ok I understand. So lets say the player is sent off for diving. Video evidence shows the referee made a mistake. The team now has been punished, because the player was red carded played short and lost. What now? Referees are part of the game and can make mistakes, fooled or not..  You cannot have it one way and not the other. The dangerous precedent is do you go back and ban all players for diving incidents. As I said, example diving in midfield that allowed an opponent to be carded (as an example). Look at the BS with Bilic and Blanc in the WC 98 semi final. Blanc and France gets double punished.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: doc on August 28, 2009, 11:00:04 AM
Banning players is madness and would set a dangerous precedent.

Do they only get banned if it's in the penalty area?

Referees are instructed to card the players, so the players take the chance. The Ref is also a professional, so he makes the call. Ok he may get it wrong, mistakes happen. What happens if he (the ref) does not make the call and later we see it was a penalty? Do they fine the Referee?

We have seen big games where legitimate penalties were not given. It usually balances out.

Players making big dollars, after the game if video evidence shows the player dived, hit them some big fines.

Where's the dangerous precedent you mentioned?  All the other stuff you mentioned implicates post-match review, but none of it addresses the aim of the proposal.  The goal isn't to get EVERY call right (a point also lost on Elan) but to help eliminate simulation.  Since when is deception "the nature of the game"?  Unless you fake out a man with a move, or run a man at the ball just before a free kick is taken "deception" has no part in football.

Your alternate solution of fining players rather than banning them promises to be even less effective than suspension.  Any system of fining players would have to be uniformed, meaning that all players would pay the same penalty for the same offense.  Maybe the fine would be graduated for repeat offenses, but rich players would pay the same price as not-so-rich players, meaning that the impact on the not-so-rich would be greater than it would be on the rich player.  Not that we should care about lower-paid players who dive, but the central point is what is a $10,000 fine (for instance) to a Cristiano Ronaldo or Didier Drogba?

Suspension is more effective because not only the player benefits from his diving, but the entire team.  So why not "punish" the entire team by forcing them to play without the diver?  This way he will realize the selfishness of his actions, affecting not just the opposing team, but his own team and organization as well.  If the suspension is withouth pay then that would be even better.
BnS, use your skills by perusing the laws that govern the game, reviews etc, and use that as a basis for your position. This is looking like a kangaroo court right now. What is reviewed and what is not? Just to start you off. I really don't think EUFA ready for the stench that would be emitted once this pandora's box is opened.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on August 28, 2009, 12:10:25 PM
......allyuh men just don't get it.  A sad thing for what is supposed to be the worlds greatest team sport.   :'(   
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on August 28, 2009, 12:10:38 PM
Ok I understand. So lets say the player is sent off for diving. Video evidence shows the referee made a mistake. The team now has been punished, because the player was red carded played short and lost. What now? Referees are part of the game and can make mistakes, fooled or not..  You cannot have it one way and not the other. The dangerous precedent is do you go back and ban all players for diving incidents. As I said, example diving in midfield that allowed an opponent to be carded (as an example). Look at the BS with Bilic and Blanc in the WC 98 semi final. Blanc and France gets double punished.

Observer, as much as I understand what you're saying... and agree, you still miss the point.  The push by Mr. Smith of Scotland is to safeguard the integrity of the game, not to make it mistake proof.  Yes egregious officiating affects the integrity, but less so than cheating in my opinion.  Human error will always be a part of the sport... indeed with any sport.  Measures should be taken to improve officiating, and indeed there is significant review of the officiating as is.  Taking the EPL for example, two yrs ago Rob Stiles officiated the league opener between Liverpool and Chelsea, in which he infamously awarded Chelsea an unjust penalty close to the end of the match.  In the two years since I am yet to see him on the pitch again... not to say that he hasn't worked... but clearly the number of matches and the profiles of the matches he's given have been reduced.  Maybe more needs to be done on the continent and in CONCACAF as you suggest, but the two issues are really different and should be treated as such.  Because UEFA is deficient in addressing referee performance that doesn't mean that they should not focus on player discipline.

BnS, use your skills by perusing the laws that govern the game, reviews etc, and use that as a basis for your position. This is looking like a kangaroo court right now. What is reviewed and what is not? Just to start you off. I really don't think EUFA ready for the stench that would be emitted once this pandora's box is opened.

I'm really not following you... and really don't have the time to go searching the rule book right now to be honest.  We're not questioning the legality of the proposals (if illegal then I'm sure FIFA will step in, or CAS even).  What we're discussing is the propriety of the punishment.  I'm not sure how this seems like a kangaroo court to you, protocol has been in place long before Eduardo for punishing players as evidenced by the Mikoliunas example.  It's not like Eduardo has been singled out for some haphazard arbitrary punishment.... the precedent has already been in place.  UEFA just needs to expand on the scope so that there is greater awareness to players (and the public) as to what the sanctions will be.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on August 28, 2009, 12:30:47 PM
It really says alot about the society we live in and people's concept of the spirit of competition, that people are so up in arms about uefa's decision to punish divers and not so up in arms about eduardo's (instantaneous) decision to deceive.  I don't even understand what the arguments are all about.  I could even accept some debate if eduardo had the deception down right to draaaaaag his trailing leg in a most unnatural motion creating contact with the 'keeper and then fling himself dramatically, rolling on the ground as if shot, to then spring up and take the penalty............but there wasn't even any f*&^%ing CONTACT!!!!!!!!  How is that not deserving of justice?!?!?!   


  Bake & Shark, I know yuh woulda bring up dat "penalty" against allyuh from two seasons ago, but yuh cyah be lookin' to beat dat dead horse to death and not be willing to accept that allyuh boy stevie-g is just as guilty a player of the deceptive behavior as any high profile player.   
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on August 28, 2009, 12:40:29 PM
  Bake & Shark, I know yuh woulda bring up dat "penalty" against allyuh from two seasons ago, but yuh cyah be lookin' to beat dat dead horse to death and not be willing to accept that allyuh boy stevie-g is just as guilty a player of the deceptive behavior as any high profile player.   

Dred what shit you self talking?  You see me beating any "dead horse to death"... I mentioned that game b/c that is the one case where an official fack up a call and was reprimanded in a fairly public manner that I could think of.  If yuh doh like the example then feel free to substitute your own example instead ah chasing unnecessary argument about who guilty of diving and who not.  Clearly you don't see me advocating for a double-standard, all divers will be subject to the same penalty so go take up yuh issue with Gerrard elsewhere.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on August 28, 2009, 12:55:52 PM
  Bake & Shark, I know yuh woulda bring up dat "penalty" against allyuh from two seasons ago, but yuh cyah be lookin' to beat dat dead horse to death and not be willing to accept that allyuh boy stevie-g is just as guilty a player of the deceptive behavior as any high profile player.   

Dred what shit you self talking?  You see me beating any "dead horse to death"... I mentioned that game b/c that is the one case where an official fack up a call and was reprimanded in a fairly public manner that I could think of.  If yuh doh like the example then feel free to substitute your own example instead ah chasing unnecessary argument about who guilty of diving and who not.  Clearly you don't see me advocating for a double-standard, all divers will be subject to the same penalty so go take up yuh issue with Gerrard elsewhere.


    Obviously yuh still bitter about that game because your whole point about the referee being "reprimanded in a fairly public manner..." is moot and is not the issue here, nor should it have been the issue in that game two seasons ago.  It is your nature to see it as "unnecessary argument" and therefore take that angle but, to me, you are the one talking shit using that game as any parallel to this eduardo issue.  This referee has not been publicly reprimanded by uefa, nor is it likely to happen as per your observation of how the EPL dealt with rob stiles.   
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on August 28, 2009, 01:05:06 PM
    Obviously yuh still bitter about that game because your whole point about the referee being "reprimanded in a fairly public manner..." is moot and is not the issue here, nor should it have been the issue in that game two seasons ago.  It is your nature to see it as "unnecessary argument" and therefore take that angle but, to me, you are the one talking shit using that game as any parallel to this eduardo issue.  This referee has not been publicly reprimanded by uefa, nor is it likely to happen as per your observation of how the EPL dealt with rob stiles.   

Fella, lady or whatever yuh fancy yuhself... unlike plenty man on here I doh live and die with football, Liverpool winning or losing ent doing a damn thing to improve my lot in life so I not about to waste time being bitter over some football game.  This will be the last I address you here because it clear you just late to the discussion and looking for talk. 

Never once did I state that that game had any parallel relevance to the game between Celtic and Arsenal... and never once did I say that the official in this recent game was publicly reprimanded.  Observer states that the leagues need to do something about the officiating and I brought that up to show that at least in the case of the EPL there is substantial review of official performance.  If yuh wasn't wearing yuh bloomers up over yuh head when yuh read my post yuh woulda see that and not come with some fishmarket woman talk trying to look fuh argument.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on August 28, 2009, 01:19:13 PM
    Obviously yuh still bitter about that game because your whole point about the referee being "reprimanded in a fairly public manner..." is moot and is not the issue here, nor should it have been the issue in that game two seasons ago.  It is your nature to see it as "unnecessary argument" and therefore take that angle but, to me, you are the one talking shit using that game as any parallel to this eduardo issue.  This referee has not been publicly reprimanded by uefa, nor is it likely to happen as per your observation of how the EPL dealt with rob stiles.   

Fella, lady or whatever yuh fancy yuhself... unlike plenty man on here I doh live and die with football, Liverpool winning or losing ent doing a damn thing to improve my lot in life so I not about to waste time being bitter over some football game.  This will be the last I address you here because it clear you just late to the discussion and looking for talk. 

Never once did I state that that game had any parallel relevance to the game between Celtic and Arsenal... and never once did I say that the official in this recent game was publicly reprimanded.  Observer states that the leagues need to do something about the officiating and I brought that up to show that at least in the case of the EPL there is substantial review of official performance.  If yuh wasn't wearing yuh bloomers up over yuh head when yuh read my post yuh woulda see that and not come with some fishmarket woman talk trying to look fuh argument.
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   ...and even wit bloomers over my head I can still see where your point, whether obvious or implicit, is neither here nor there with the incident in discussion or with Observers suggestion.  But only the talking jackass that you are would see your point as the end-all to everything.  I guess there is no "substantial review" of no other referees' performances in none of the other leagues.  Only a c**t like you would think that the epl owns the standard for reviewing referees while they still have some of the worst officiating among the bigger leagues.  Me eh lookin' fuh no argument, bitch.  I jes' callin' yuh as I see yuh.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on August 28, 2009, 01:49:49 PM
It really says alot about the society we live in and people's concept of the spirit of competition, that people are so up in arms about uefa's decision to punish divers and not so up in arms about eduardo's (instantaneous) decision to deceive.  I don't even understand what the arguments are all about.  I could even accept some debate if eduardo had the deception down right to draaaaaag his trailing leg in a most unnatural motion creating contact with the 'keeper and then fling himself dramatically, rolling on the ground as if shot, to then spring up and take the penalty............but there wasn't even any f*&^%ing CONTACT!!!!!!!!  How is that not deserving of justice?!?!?!   


  Bake & Shark, I know yuh woulda bring up dat "penalty" against allyuh from two seasons ago, but yuh cyah be lookin' to beat dat dead horse to death and not be willing to accept that allyuh boy stevie-g is just as guilty a player of the deceptive behavior as any high profile player.   

Wait did I say divers  should not be punished. I simply asked the question that if all diving regardless on the games influence, will be punished with a ban. I also asked what would be the outcome should the referee make a poor decision the other way. ie give a diver a red car and it turns out he did not dive. Please follow the thread.

As for Eduardo rolling around on the ground after the foul. Which video are you watching  ;D My video shows him laying on hs belly and looking back at the Ref

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEQBIHXsUa8

PS Maybe the reason you have not seen Styles is because he retired ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on August 28, 2009, 01:50:23 PM
  ...and even wit bloomers over my head I can still see where your point, whether obvious or implicit, is neither here nor there with the incident in discussion or with Observers suggestion.  But only the talking jackass that you are would see your point as the end-all to everything.  I guess there is no "substantial review" of no other referees' performances in none of the other leagues.  Only a c**t like you would think that the epl owns the standard for reviewing referees while they still have some of the worst officiating among the bigger leagues.  Me eh lookin' fuh no argument, bitch.  I jes' callin' yuh as I see yuh.

Take up yuh talk with Observer... since he's the one suggest that only in the EPL there is any sort of penalty for poor officiating


This is not accurate at all. Only in the Premier I see them getting a game or two suspension and it has to be a real bad F#*ck up.
UEFA & FIFA referees just keep on refereeing like the energizer bunny.

If yuh was reading and not just hyperventilating all over the place yuh woulda see that at no point did I ever suggest that the EPL is some paradigm and other leagues fall short, as I said that Chelsea-Liverpool game was the one example which most readily came to mind.  Clearly you going thru some kinda menstrual or menopausal crisis and it causing to take leave of yuh senses.  When yuh estrogen levels normalize feel free to come back and contribute an example of non-EPL discipline of officials more to your liking.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: capodetutticapi on August 28, 2009, 01:52:59 PM
  ...and even wit bloomers over my head I can still see where your point, whether obvious or implicit, is neither here nor there with the incident in discussion or with Observers suggestion.  But only the talking jackass that you are would see your point as the end-all to everything.  I guess there is no "substantial review" of no other referees' performances in none of the other leagues.  Only a c**t like you would think that the epl owns the standard for reviewing referees while they still have some of the worst officiating among the bigger leagues.  Me eh lookin' fuh no argument, bitch.  I jes' callin' yuh as I see yuh.

Take up yuh talk with Observer... since he's the one suggest that only in the EPL there is any sort of penalty for poor officiating


This is not accurate at all. Only in the Premier I see them getting a game or two suspension and it has to be a real bad F#*ck up.
UEFA & FIFA referees just keep on refereeing like the energizer bunny.

If yuh was reading and not just hyperventilating all over the place yuh woulda see that at no point did I ever suggest that the EPL is some paradigm and other leagues fall short, as I said that Chelsea-Liverpool game was the one example which most readily came to mind.  Clearly you going thru some kinda menstrual or menopausal crisis and it causing to take leave of yuh senses.  When yuh estrogen levels normalize feel free to come back and contribute an example of non-EPL discipline of officials more to your liking.
back with vengeance. :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on August 28, 2009, 01:54:36 PM
PS Maybe the reason you have not seen Styles is because he retired ;D

Now that yuh mention it that does ring ah bell  ;D  They shame him into early retirement with ah slate ah Championship games, lol.

btw... ah overlook ah point yuh made earlier, which is should players similarly be penalized for diving outside the box, or whether is just in the box.  Diving inside the box clearly has greater consequences because it leads directly to an opportunity for the team to score, and which they often do (what is the penalty conversion rate... 60% or something so?).  Whereas outside the box it's "just" a free-kick.  I favor suspension for in the box infractions, and retroactive yellow cards for diving outside the box.

Also agree that they need to clean up the slam dancing that does take place in the box on corners.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 28, 2009, 02:15:49 PM
whatever, during the game that punishment is a yellow card
a two match suspension afterwards is an emotionally driven reaction
i really think the finger should be pointed at the refferee and not the player
Eduardo played himself into a NON goalscoring position and lost control of the ball
ergo goal kick or corner
linesman was consulted
based on the existing rules there should be no banning or returbution for his falling
a yellow card i would accept but a ban? they better follow up that ban on every single percieved  "dive"

maybe just maybe UEFA opened a case to subsequently close it as a formality to shut the rest of you donkeys up
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on August 28, 2009, 02:21:07 PM
It really says alot about the society we live in and people's concept of the spirit of competition, that people are so up in arms about uefa's decision to punish divers and not so up in arms about eduardo's (instantaneous) decision to deceive.  I don't even understand what the arguments are all about.  I could even accept some debate if eduardo had the deception down right to draaaaaag his trailing leg in a most unnatural motion creating contact with the 'keeper and then fling himself dramatically, rolling on the ground as if shot, to then spring up and take the penalty............but there wasn't even any f*&^%ing CONTACT!!!!!!!!  How is that not deserving of justice?!?!?!   


  Bake & Shark, I know yuh woulda bring up dat "penalty" against allyuh from two seasons ago, but yuh cyah be lookin' to beat dat dead horse to death and not be willing to accept that allyuh boy stevie-g is just as guilty a player of the deceptive behavior as any high profile player.   

Wait did I say divers  should not be punished. I simply asked the question that if all diving regardless on the games influence, will be punished with a ban. I also asked what would be the outcome should the referee make a poor decision the other way. ie give a diver a red car and it turns out he did not dive. Please follow the thread.


   My initial comments weren't about your post specifically as it was about the general reaction to uefa's handling of the matter.







As for Eduardo rolling around on the ground after the foul. Which video are you watching  ;D My video shows him laying on hs belly and looking back at the Ref



   Nah, Observer, read my post again, Bredda.  I wasn't saying or implying that that is what he did.  I merely acknowledged that I could have accepted some level of debate over uefa's actions IF there was even contact but I was only describing the dramatic way in which "contact" is dramatized by the deceitful players.  make special note of that all important word "if" in my post.  ;)    


Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on August 28, 2009, 02:40:11 PM
whatever, during the game that punishment is a yellow card
a two match suspension afterwards is an emotionally driven reaction
i really think the finger should be pointed at the refferee and not the player
Eduardo played himself into a NON goalscoring position and lost control of the ball
ergo goal kick or corner
linesman was consulted
based on the existing rules there should be no banning or returbution for his falling
a yellow card i would accept but a ban? they better follow up that ban on every single percieved  "dive"

maybe just maybe UEFA opened a case to subsequently close it as a formality to shut the rest of you donkeys up



If all eduardo did was "fall" then why was he laying on his stomach, looking to the referee for a penalty to be awarded instead of just getting back up on his feet like any other "fallen" player should have done? (unless he was looking to the referee to come over and help him up?) 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on August 28, 2009, 02:45:24 PM
whatever, during the game that punishment is a yellow card
a two match suspension afterwards is an emotionally driven reaction
i really think the finger should be pointed at the refferee and not the player
Eduardo played himself into a NON goalscoring position and lost control of the ball
ergo goal kick or corner
linesman was consulted
based on the existing rules there should be no banning or returbution for his falling
a yellow card i would accept but a ban? they better follow up that ban on every single percieved  "dive"

maybe just maybe UEFA opened a case to subsequently close it as a formality to shut the rest of you donkeys up



If all eduardo did was "fall" then why was he laying on his stomach, looking to the referee for a penalty to be awarded instead of just getting back up on his feet like any other "fallen" player should have done? (unless he was looking to the referee to come over and help him up?) 

Doh study he an dah subjective fanboy bullshit nah.  Eduardo musse have joint problems de way he collapse without being touched
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 29, 2009, 08:08:02 AM
whatever, during the game that punishment is a yellow card
a two match suspension afterwards is an emotionally driven reaction
i really think the finger should be pointed at the refferee and not the player
Eduardo played himself into a NON goalscoring position and lost control of the ball
ergo goal kick or corner
linesman was consulted
based on the existing rules there should be no banning or returbution for his falling
a yellow card i would accept but a ban? they better follow up that ban on every single percieved  "dive"

maybe just maybe UEFA opened a case to subsequently close it as a formality to shut the rest of you donkeys up



If all eduardo did was "fall" then why was he laying on his stomach, looking to the referee for a penalty to be awarded instead of just getting back up on his feet like any other "fallen" player should have done? (unless he was looking to the referee to come over and help him up?) 

Doh study he an dah subjective fanboy bullshit nah.  Eduardo musse have joint problems de way he collapse without being touched
wow a chelsea fan giving objective fan boy talsk about diving? i never knew stamford bridge was built of glass
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 29, 2009, 08:09:38 AM
whatever, during the game that punishment is a yellow card
a two match suspension afterwards is an emotionally driven reaction
i really think the finger should be pointed at the refferee and not the player
Eduardo played himself into a NON goalscoring position and lost control of the ball
ergo goal kick or corner
linesman was consulted
based on the existing rules there should be no banning or returbution for his falling
a yellow card i would accept but a ban? they better follow up that ban on every single percieved  "dive"

maybe just maybe UEFA opened a case to subsequently close it as a formality to shut the rest of you donkeys up



If all eduardo did was "fall" then why was he laying on his stomach, looking to the referee for a penalty to be awarded instead of just getting back up on his feet like any other "fallen" player should have done? (unless he was looking to the referee to come over and help him up?) 
and if thats all you got from my post was "fall" then you missed the point  and are of the same personality type as Patos Manning
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 30, 2009, 07:21:44 AM
Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger has been told he can expect an apology from Premier League referees chief Keith Hackett following his dismissal in the closing seconds of Saturday's 2-1 defeat to Manchester United.
League Managers Association chief executive Richard Bevan has spoken to Hackett about the Old Trafford incident which saw Wenger sent to the stands by referee Mike Dean on the advice of fourth official Lee Probert.

And he has been told that Wenger will receive an apology from the Premier Game Match Officials Board which appoints officials to top-flight games in England.

The Gunners boss caught Probert's attention when he kicked an empty water bottle down the touchline following a disallowed goal for Arsenal.

There was then confusion as Wenger seemed unaware of where he was supposed to go - moving first to the back of Arsenal dugout then starting to walk down the touchline as the whistle was blown.

On the decision to penalise Wenger, Bevan said: ''Although correct in 'law', it was completely out of context in the game and it was followed by the nonsense which followed over where Arsene Wenger should sit.''

He added: ''I've spoken to Keith Hackett and he fully recognises the situation was an error and an apology will follow to Arsene Wenger.

''Lee Probert totally failed to manage the situation and created a needless pressure point taking the focus away from the pitch in a big event with only a minute to go.''

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on August 31, 2009, 02:40:51 PM
Gunner, why is Arshavin outter shape and overweight? Was he injured during the off season?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on August 31, 2009, 02:44:12 PM
wow a chelsea fan giving objective fan boy talsk about diving? i never knew stamford bridge was built of glass

Fella if Drobga dive I does geh vex de same way so me eh wah hear no glass house ass talk.  My feeling on the issue isn't bias or slanted against other teams and not Chelsea so haul yuh ass wit da f**kry. 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 31, 2009, 04:26:41 PM
Gunner, why is Arshavin outter shape and overweight? Was he injured during the off season?

not sure but the statement comes from his website
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 31, 2009, 04:30:16 PM
wow a chelsea fan giving objective fan boy talsk about diving? i never knew stamford bridge was built of glass

Fella if Drobga dive I does geh vex de same way so me eh wah hear no glass house ass talk.  My feeling on the issue isn't bias or slanted against other teams and not Chelsea so haul yuh ass wit da f**kry. 

haul it for me if yuh so brave and bold, and your feeling on the issue is fine and dandy then you should imply it in your statements or forever expect comments like mine in retort or you should refrain from commenting all together
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on August 31, 2009, 04:50:24 PM
Gunner, why is Arshavin outter shape and overweight? Was he injured during the off season?

not sure but the statement comes from his website

 :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on August 31, 2009, 04:52:32 PM
Gunner, why is Arshavin outter shape and overweight? Was he injured during the off season?

I was wondering that myself. Seems very unprofessional, especially since he was involved in WC Qualification for Russia.

PS I like the commentator's shout "He should put down his wallet."  :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on August 31, 2009, 05:09:47 PM
Gunner, why is Arshavin outter shape and overweight? Was he injured during the off season?

I was wondering that myself. Seems very unprofessional, especially since he was involved in WC Qualification for Russia.

PS I like the commentator's shout "He should put down his wallet."  :rotfl:

I wonder if he has ever had to be in top shape? Considering he played minimum amount of games when he played in the Russian league. I get the sense that football is a hobby for him based on his various interests.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 31, 2009, 08:38:47 PM
Gunner, why is Arshavin outter shape and overweight? Was he injured during the off season?

I was wondering that myself. Seems very unprofessional, especially since he was involved in WC Qualification for Russia.

PS I like the commentator's shout "He should put down his wallet."  :rotfl:

I wonder if he has ever had to be in top shape? Considering he played minimum amount of games when he played in the Russian league. I get the sense that football is a hobby for him based on his various interests.

point but jesus imagine if he was motivated more? he has a "lazy" air about him but undoubtedly friggin tallented
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: elan on August 31, 2009, 09:09:45 PM
Banning players is madness and would set a dangerous precedent.

Do they only get banned if it's in the penalty area?

Referees are instructed to card the players, so the players take the chance. The Ref is also a professional, so he makes the call. Ok he may get it wrong, mistakes happen. What happens if he (the ref) does not make the call and later we see it was a penalty? Do they fine the Referee?

We have seen big games where legitimate penalties were not given. It usually balances out.

Players making big dollars, after the game if video evidence shows the player dived, hit them some big fines.

Where's the dangerous precedent you mentioned?  All the other stuff you mentioned implicates post-match review, but none of it addresses the aim of the proposal.  The goal isn't to get EVERY call right (a point also lost on Elan) but to help eliminate simulation.  Since when is deception "the nature of the game"?  Unless you fake out a man with a move, or run a man at the ball just before a free kick is taken "deception" has no part in football.

Your alternate solution of fining players rather than banning them promises to be even less effective than suspension.  Any system of fining players would have to be uniformed, meaning that all players would pay the same penalty for the same offense.  Maybe the fine would be graduated for repeat offenses, but rich players would pay the same price as not-so-rich players, meaning that the impact on the not-so-rich would be greater than it would be on the rich player.  Not that we should care about lower-paid players who dive, but the central point is what is a $10,000 fine (for instance) to a Cristiano Ronaldo or Didier Drogba?

Suspension is more effective because not only the player benefits from his diving, but the entire team.  So why not "punish" the entire team by forcing them to play without the diver?  This way he will realize the selfishness of his actions, affecting not just the opposing team, but his own team and organization as well.  If the suspension is withouth pay then that would be even better.

The point eh lost on no one brother man, but you and the other fella eh thinking through this. Goals are only scored from the penalty area, right?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: takenoprisoners on August 31, 2009, 09:42:09 PM
Uefa tells Arsenal there can be no plea for mercy over Eduardo
• Uefa report damns Croatia forward for diving against Celtic
• Arsenal submit strident 19-page defence ahead of hearing

David Hytner
guardian.co.uk,    Monday 31 August 2009 20.56 BST
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Eduardo is facing a Uefa disciplinary hearing after this incident in the Arsenal v Celtic Champions League play-off. Photograph: NewsPics Ltd/ITV

Arsenal have submitted a strident defence of Eduardo da Silva to Uefa ahead of the striker's disciplinary hearing tomorrow and they hope it can persuade the governing body to spare him a suspension of two European matches.

The London club believe that Uefa's process in arriving at the decision to charge Eduardo with "deceiving the referee" after his tumble earned a penalty against Celtic in the Champions League play-off last Wednesday has been flawed.

Arsenal were stunned to learn of the charge on Friday and were left to digest the wording of a fax from the Uefa general inspector, Gerhard Kapl, which appeared to point to conclusions already formed. In the fax outlining the charge and the surrounding circumstances, Eduardo is said to have "succeeded in deceiving the referee, who was influenced by the player's gross unsporting behaviour". It added: "There are no exceptional circumstances that would justify a plea for mercy."

Eduardo is also said to have won the penalty with an "obvious dive" and "through the act of cheating", while the referee's observer is quoted as saying that there was "not the slightest interference with the player", with regard to the Celtic goalkeeper Artur Boruc's challenge. It is implied that Eduardo ought to have immediately told the referee, Manuel Mejuto González, that he did not feel a penalty should have been awarded.

One of Arsenal's complaints, in their 19-page submission, is that, having also studied the video evidence, they feel that there was some element of contact from Boruc. They believe that this is shown in the footage that Uefa has sent them and, therefore, there is inaccuracy in the governing body's analysis. They have urged Uefa to scrutinise the flashpoint again.

Moreover, Arsenal contend it is impossible for Uefa or anybody to read any intention to deceive into Eduardo's tumble. They have pointed out he did not appeal for a foul and they have also stressed Eduardo's blemish-free disciplinary previous and the fact that, following his horrific leg break at Birmingham City in February 2008, he is generally mindful of the need to pull out of potential collisions.

Arsenal have drawn attention to what they believe is inconsistency in Uefa's application of Article 10 (1) (c), which gives them the opportunity to revisit incidents containing alleged deceptions, even if the referee has seen and acted upon them. Even though the article entered the rules in 2006, Uefa's retrospective charging of Eduardo has been the first time that it has applied it and Arsenal argue that there have been countless other occasions when it could have been employed.

Notwithstanding the potential to set a dangerous precedent, Arsenal are perplexed that Uefa has effectively condemned Eduardo with video evidence while it continues to refuse to use it to help referees to arrive at their decisions. The case will be judged on the basis of written submissions from both sides. Eduardo is on international duty with Croatia


http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/aug/31/eduardo-arsenal-celtic-diving-allegation-uefa


The decision to grant a two game ban retroactively to a player not regarded as a chronic cheat is overkill. This infraction was dealt with on the field and should have been left there.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on August 31, 2009, 11:27:25 PM
Good point about the "impossibility" of reading intent into his actions.  Intent can be inferred from the totality of the circumstances however, so hard luck with that.

Bullshit song and dance about him being timid after the leg break.  He coulda jump over Boruc, he didn't have to dive.  Can't believe they even saying that with a semi-straight face.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 01, 2009, 07:08:35 AM
of course its easy for the ignorant and biased to say wenger is just a cry baby

but

he has a vaild point, why pick on one player? because the losing side complained? well isnt that what wenger is doing? but his pleas will fall on deaf FA and FIFA ears

another valid point, UEFA and ALL football associations will need to review ALL video evidence and charge each offence for the round of games played
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on September 01, 2009, 08:24:13 AM
Allyuh still arguing this! As my Italian friend put it, interesting their are no questions of the referee's competence, allowing himself to be conned. After all he too is a professional.  :rotfl: Only an Italian will think this way? I thinks not!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 01, 2009, 11:30:51 AM
Allyuh still arguing this! As my Italian friend put it, interesting their are no questions of the referee's competence, allowing himself to be conned. After all he too is a professional.  :rotfl: Only an Italian will think this way? I thinks not!
its what i been saying too man, refferees get too much protection, the refs association dont work towards this FIFA act like absentee plantation owners, and nothing is being done to improve refs, heck the ref association had to appologies to wenger for his dismissal go figure
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 01, 2009, 11:31:37 AM
EFF YOU UEFA YUH STINK NASTY BIASED MONKEYS IN SUITS
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on September 01, 2009, 12:29:52 PM
of course its easy for the ignorant and biased to say wenger is just a cry baby

but

he has a vaild point, why pick on one player? because the losing side complained? well isnt that what wenger is doing? but his pleas will fall on deaf FA and FIFA ears

another valid point, UEFA and ALL football associations will need to review ALL video evidence and charge each offence for the round of games played

Nah, only for the most egregious offenses.

I'd also be careful how I toss around labels like "ignorant and biased" if I were you... when it comes to irrational partisan comments, only Small Mag worse than you on this board.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Peong on September 01, 2009, 12:33:05 PM
I find is real shit for them to use video evidence to punish a player for a dive but they don't use video to decide goals.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on September 01, 2009, 01:15:49 PM
of course its easy for the ignorant and biased to say wenger is just a cry baby

but

he has a vaild point, why pick on one player? because the losing side complained? well isnt that what wenger is doing? but his pleas will fall on deaf FA and FIFA ears

another valid point, UEFA and ALL football associations will need to review ALL video evidence and charge each offence for the round of games played

Nah, only for the most egregious offenses.

I'd also be careful how I toss around labels like "ignorant and biased" if I were you... when it comes to irrational partisan comments, only Small Mag worse than you on this board.

Bakes hear my point on this whole issue, which I have yet to see anyone bring up and maybe I should write to Platini  ;D

What is the punishment for embellishment as per the LAWS of the game? Its a yellow card! Am I right? So if the referee had booked Eduardo for embellishment, he would have been yellow carded. Fair! How the f*#ck video evidence of Eduardo diving is now a two game ban? 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: DeSoWa on September 01, 2009, 01:19:45 PM
If we had only complained to FIFA when Crouch cheated his way to a goal in WC 2006....Oh wait...he English so it's ok...hmmm  ???

Big Up!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on September 01, 2009, 01:24:52 PM
of course its easy for the ignorant and biased to say wenger is just a cry baby

but

he has a vaild point, why pick on one player? because the losing side complained? well isnt that what wenger is doing? but his pleas will fall on deaf FA and FIFA ears

another valid point, UEFA and ALL football associations will need to review ALL video evidence and charge each offence for the round of games played

Nah, only for the most egregious offenses.

I'd also be careful how I toss around labels like "ignorant and biased" if I were you... when it comes to irrational partisan comments, only Small Mag worse than you on this board.

Bakes hear my point on this whole issue, which I have yet to see anyone bring up and maybe I should write to Platini  ;D

What is the punishment for embellishment as per the LAWS of the game? Its a yellow card! Am I right? So if the referee had booked Eduardo for embellishment, he would have been yellow carded. Fair! How the f*#ck video evidence of Eduardo diving is now a two game ban? 

Whats the punishment for faking an injury to try to get an opponent sent off, like Rivaldo did in the 2002 World cup holding his face when the ball in fact hit him on the thigh? A yellow card as well not so?

Separate the actual incident in the context of the running game from the implications on the sport when assessing it. It would be unreasonable to give a player a red card in the game for an incident which really isn't part of the running course of game.

The subsequent punishment upon review is for unsportsmanlike conduct or bringing the game into disrepute hence the ban.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on September 01, 2009, 01:33:51 PM
Bakes hear my point on this whole issue, which I have yet to see anyone bring up and maybe I should write to Platini  ;D

What is the punishment for embellishment as per the LAWS of the game? Its a yellow card! Am I right? So if the referee had booked Eduardo for embellishment, he would have been yellow carded. Fair! How the f*#ck video evidence of Eduardo diving is now a two game ban? 

You forget that leagues are often free to add to the punishment mandated by FIFA, FIFA's laws of the game are a baseline starting point.  As I said, if the punishment is unfair, it should be appealed to FIFA or the Council for Arbitration for Sport.

A foul which prevents a clear goal-scoring opportunity is an automatic red, right?  What if injury results from the tackle?  Is it not also possible that the offending player could be suspended as well?  As I said, FIFA sets the baseline, it can't provide contigencies for every offense... for the more egregious offenses the governing bodies are free to add to the penalties.  In this case UEFA looked at the stage (prestigious tournament) and the degree of embellishment and finds that it merits suspension.

You may not agree with it, but hard to say that it's illegal or unfair when it's firmly within the scope of penalties that they may apply.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: daryn on September 01, 2009, 01:36:08 PM


The subsequent punishment upon review is for unsportsmanlike conduct or bringing the game into disrepute hence the ban.

so what would the punishment during the game have been for if it had been detected then?

the fact that there is a prescribed response to a specific infringement means that everything has already been considered.  Unless you're saying that it is customary for someone to get the yellow during the game as well as the suspension after.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on September 01, 2009, 01:44:14 PM


The subsequent punishment upon review is for unsportsmanlike conduct or bringing the game into disrepute hence the ban.

so what would the punishment during the game have been for if it had been detected then?

the fact that there is a prescribed response to a specific infringement means that everything has already been considered.  Unless you're saying that it is customary for someone to get the yellow during the game as well as the suspension after.

but thats my point, if it was detected then the punishment would have been a yellow card.. in my opinion it would be farcical to send a player off in a running game for a dive..

however i don't think it ends there, because outside of the context of the game the fact is that he cheated and there are wider ramifications that need to be addressed. Blatant cheating is a precedent that cannot be encouraged. As a comparison, take for example tennis.. Lets say a player cuss out the umpire, the most that could be done at that point is to dock him a couple points in the game, but that doesn't mean that retroactive punishment shouldnt follow in the interest of the sport.

Remember that within a football game, punishment is constituted by 2 options only.. A caution or a sending off.. That gives hardly enough leeway to protect the interests of the sport.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 01, 2009, 02:01:56 PM
If we had only complained to FIFA when Crouch cheated his way to a goal in WC 2006....Oh wait...he English so it's ok...hmmm  ???

Big Up!


ent!

but we have jack warner? ent? ???
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: daryn on September 01, 2009, 02:04:01 PM

Remember that within a football game, punishment is constituted by 2 options only.. A caution or a sending off.. That gives hardly enough leeway to protect the interests of the sport.



2 things

1. so how come people who get the yellow during the game don't seem to get further punishment afterward?
Maybe that's just my perception but anyhow I looked it up: UEFA has previously disciplined only one player for cheating a referee since the Article 10 rule was introduced three years ago. (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/soccer/09/01/uefa.eduardo.ap/index.html#ixzz0Pt1lSsR6)  

2. if they want to charge someone for bringing the game into disrepute they should charge them for that and not 'for deceiving the referee (http://www.uefa.com/uefa/keytopics/kind=512/newsid=881429.html)'.  As observer pointed out there is already a prescribed course of action for deceiving the referee on the books.

I see BnS's point about the guidelines just serving as a baseline.  that just seems to go back to the response by Arsenal:
We believe it is imperative that UEFA's explanation for its decision provides clear and comprehensive standards that will be consistently enforced.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 01, 2009, 02:05:32 PM
of course its easy for the ignorant and biased to say wenger is just a cry baby

but

he has a vaild point, why pick on one player? because the losing side complained? well isnt that what wenger is doing? but his pleas will fall on deaf FA and FIFA ears

another valid point, UEFA and ALL football associations will need to review ALL video evidence and charge each offence for the round of games played

Nah, only for the most egregious offenses.

I'd also be careful how I toss around labels like "ignorant and biased" if I were you... when it comes to irrational partisan comments, only Small Mag worse than you on this board.
nah you have to be trying to get me vex, it have plenty more on this board , i defend my side and have i said he didnt dive? nope but the victimisation of this players is sickening, the punishment does not fit the crime, and if it is the rule, then why apply them haphazardly?
are rules only applicable based on emotion or fact?
get real ppl
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on September 01, 2009, 02:16:34 PM
Simply put, there's no difference between Eduardo's dive and any other player's dive - yet there is a huge difference in the punishment. I figure that's the main basis for Arsenal raising an issue with Eduardo's suspension.

Remember that within a football game, punishment is constituted by 2 options only.. A caution or a sending off.. That gives hardly enough leeway to protect the interests of the sport.

The question your comment raises is this -
Then why isn't everyone who dives given a two game suspension after the fact?

Eduardo's ban is like saying -
If you dive you get a yellow.
If you dive and the referee doesn't see it, you get a two game suspension.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 01, 2009, 02:20:15 PM
What a week it's been for football in general, especially for Arsenal fans. We've had a media circus surrounding an incident with striker Eduardo da Silva, and we've also had our manager sent off in a high-profile match against our biggest rivals. With the media headlines once again focusing on our club, is it any surprise that as Arsenal fans we're just wondering if there is a certain amount of bias in the industry against us?

Is there a specific reason, for example, that the media have chosen to focus on Eduardo and not this? (WEST HAM V MILLWA supporter violence and pitch invasion) Surely violence in football is of a much greater concern than "diving"? Hooliganism, it would seem, has been the winner this week.

Speaking to BBC Five Live, Football Association Chief Executive Ian Watmore has said that the incident between West Ham United and Millwall should be viewed with perspective. I completely agree, but one cannot help but wonder if a quiet word has been uttered into the ears of newspaper editors nationwide. Words accompanied, for emphasis, with four numbers. 2018. Violent clashes between fans and riot police at Upton Park filled the front and back pages on Wednesday, but that was the last we had heard of it. Did someone say, "Give this any more coverage and you endanger our chances of hosting the 2018 World Cup."

Arsenal will be charged by the FA for "failing to control their players in a match", as a result of their six bookings against Manchester United. I may be wrong, but I have yet to see fines being imposed on both West Ham and Millwall for failing to control their fans, for failing to provide adequate safety and protection to spectators. The term "brushed under the carpet", comes to mind. To the journalists who were crying out for justice for Celtic in midweek, where are your cries for justice on two clubs whose fans have a known history of such violence?

By not putting pressure on the FA (like you've done on UEFA), you've encouraged this incident to be ignored and, as Watmore said, to be viewed as a "one-off". Funnily enough, Watmore also claims that England are viewed as an example when it comes to clamping down on hooliganism and chants at football matches. He said: "FIFA and UEFA and many of the associations around the world do come to us for a lead on combating violence and hooliganism, racism and other forms of chanting, and we have to remain the best in the world at combating that and remain at the top of our game." Why then, has there been no action taken against Man United for failing to stamp out that song about our manager? The one that says (and it absolutely disgusts me to write this) that he has a certain fondness for little children.

And to subject him to further abuse by sending him off for a nothing incident, is something else that the Football Association should look at.

Ironically, United 'fans' bay for blood when a certain degree of respect is not shown towards their Munich dead, but when a chant like that is part of a Man United fan's songbook, or even as a CD (this has now been taken down by Play.com but still available on Amazon), is it so hard to wonder why you do not get that moment of respect? Have you afforded the same degree of respect towards Liverpool's dead, when it comes to remembering Hillsborough?

To the media and Mr Watmore, if England really are the world's best at combating hooliganism and stamping out racism and other forms of chanting, then let's see some action taken on a club that has done nothing to eradicate this form of abuse directed at a man with a daughter old enough to understand what the word means. How will he answer, when she asks, "Why are they calling him that?"

And where are the cries of justice for Arsenal, who were once again undone by a "dive" by England's darling, Wayne Rooney. It is not the first time that Rooney has sought to "deceive" a match official in order to gain an advantage for him and his team. It's incredulous how so many "deceptions" by one player go unpunished, culminating in the most recent one against Arsenal, where his left leg begins to give way even before Manuel Almunia touches him. "Clever play, good thing he's English," is what most English pundits would say. The same thing they said when Michael Own dived to win that penalty against Argentina during the World Cup.

Here are some examples, four too many, of England's darling deceiving match officials, but receiving no retribution for it.there were videos showing rooneys dives but i couldn't link them properly

If the Football Association (and UEFA) are serious about stamping out cheats from the game, then let's make an example of the spearhead of England's attack. Make an example of Wayne Rooney.

Before we forget, let's divert our attentions to Sky and the BBC's penchant for replaying incidents that involve fouls by Arsenal players, and then for their match pundits to analyse and overanalyse said incidents. Why are these two media giants not replaying the incident below, and again putting pressure (like they did on UEFA) on the FA and referees' association to evaluate the performance of Mike Dean and his assistants? As then Wimbledon-owner Sam Hammam said in 1995, "I have to hand it to Manchester United. They have the best players ... and the best referees."


The tackle and subsequent handball should have been a red card for Fletcher. As it wasn't dealt by the referee, it's perfectly possible for the FA to step-in and review the incident post-match, unlike the incident with Eduardo, which was actually dealt with, contrary to what UEFA Chief Executive David Taylor has said: "We only look at matters of a serious nature that the referee did not see. The regulations allow for this type of action but they are only used sparingly."

No, Mr Taylor. The referee did see the incident [involving Eduardo], and he awarded the penalty to Arsenal. That should have been the end of it, but what you and your Scottish colleagues have done is introduce new precedent where an incident can be re-refereed by a video panel (whether this panel is independent or non-Scottish is up for debate). I am glad that this precedent has been set, because it should be turned into legislation for FIFA to impose on the national leagues. Then, maybe, the English FA will provide the same treatment to other clubs as they do Arsenal. Unless of course, there is a World Cup bid at stake.

I look forward to football's governing bodies, the media, Messrs Taylor and Watmore, proving me wrong.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on September 01, 2009, 02:28:02 PM

2 things

1. so how come people who get the yellow during the game don't seem to get further punishment afterward?
Maybe that's just my perception but anyhow I looked it up: UEFA has previously disciplined only one player for cheating a referee since the Article 10 rule was introduced three years ago. (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/soccer/09/01/uefa.eduardo.ap/index.html#ixzz0Pt1lSsR6)  

Hmm, I cant say to be honest, but what i will say is this.. You ever notice when these rules come about, they pick a big team, big game or big tournament to implement? Like the tackle from behind red card before a world cup, when everyone was getting sent off?

Sometimes that is the only way to get a point across, to target on the big stage. Like I said, the fact is Eduardo's cheating was blatant, and it had far reaching ramifications.. The single play rendered the game and any chance of Celtic getting to the CL a moot point. With that you could argue any chance at millions of dollars just for qualifying and countless revenue from participation.

So yes, harsh on Eduardo and Arsenal but this might be the incident that sets the precedent, but i think it is a good one.
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2. if they want to charge someone for bringing the game into disrepute they should charge them for that and not 'for deceiving the referee (http://www.uefa.com/uefa/keytopics/kind=512/newsid=881429.html)'.  As observer pointed out there is already a prescribed course of action for deceiving the referee on the books.

I see BnS's point about the guidelines just serving as a baseline.  that just seems to go back to the response by Arsenal:
We believe it is imperative that UEFA's explanation for its decision provides clear and comprehensive standards that will be consistently enforced.

Agreed.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on September 01, 2009, 03:09:00 PM

2 things

1. so how come people who get the yellow during the game don't seem to get further punishment afterward?
Maybe that's just my perception but anyhow I looked it up: UEFA has previously disciplined only one player for cheating a referee since the Article 10 rule was introduced three years ago. (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/soccer/09/01/uefa.eduardo.ap/index.html#ixzz0Pt1lSsR6)  

Hmm, I cant say to be honest, but what i will say is this.. You ever notice when these rules come about, they pick a big team, big game or big tournament to implement? Like the tackle from behind red card before a world cup, when everyone was getting sent off?

Sometimes that is the only way to get a point across, to target on the big stage. Like I said, the fact is Eduardo's cheating was blatant, and it had far reaching ramifications.. The single play rendered the game and any chance of Celtic getting to the CL a moot point. With that you could argue any chance at millions of dollars just for qualifying and countless revenue from participation.

So yes, harsh on Eduardo and Arsenal but this might be the incident that sets the precedent, but i think it is a good one.

2. if they want to charge someone for bringing the game into disrepute they should charge them for that and not 'for deceiving the referee (http://www.uefa.com/uefa/keytopics/kind=512/newsid=881429.html)'.  As observer pointed out there is already a prescribed course of action for deceiving the referee on the books.

I see BnS's point about the guidelines just serving as a baseline.  that just seems to go back to the response by Arsenal:
We believe it is imperative that UEFA's explanation for its decision provides clear and comprehensive standards that will be consistently enforced.

Agreed.


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I hope we see some consistency throughout football now, (which will never happen, especially in CONCACAF) and which quite frankly we never saw with the tackle from behind. For me a much bigger issue in the game, is player pretending to be injured. It amazes me that FIFA, UEFA turn a blind eye to this and cannot recognize that players never seem to get injured when their team is losing. Pretending to be injured is now a major delaying tactic to break the rhythm of the game, time wasting etc etc. In CONCACAF we all know who the main culprits are and it never seems to be addressed.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 02, 2009, 11:12:10 AM
At last, a club willing to stand up and fight against the insane, bent and discredited UEFA.

Arsenal's statement over the Eduardo affair was everything we could have wished for – a complete catalogue of everything that is wrong with the warped European governing body, including its arrogant belief that it can get away with anything, just because it is a monopoly.

Let's consider what will happen now.

The UEFA "report" on the show-trial will be handed over to Arsenal tomorrow. Arsenal could just accept it (which seems impossible given the strength of their language on the web site today) or appeal.

This is where it gets tricky. If UEFA change their minds and "let Eduardo off with a warning" what will Arsenal do? The wind will be removed from the sails, and there will be less focus on their demand that every other offence not punished by the referee is dealt with subsequently.

So, in order to get this matter resolved, we need UEFA to continue with their current childish view of the world (along with their belief in their own invulnerability) and confirm the verdict.

That would then put the ball back in Arsenal's court, and Arsenal, (along I hope with everyone else) will start pelting UEFA with complaints about every single decision that is taken. The game will disintegrate – and with it UEFA – and from the ashes a new organisation will arise.

Well, OK, not quite, but it could be the start of reform.

Many major clubs (obviously not Celtic, and others in Scotland who used the SFA to start this affair, but certainly the major players in Europe) are utterly fed up with UEFA's nonsense, and would like to move away from UEFA.

This could be the step in that direction – the catalyst that drives the process of rationalisation of European football forwards.

The manager of Croatia, who always comes across to me as one of the good guys (but I could be terribly wrong there) has thrown his hat in the ring alongside Arsenal in attacking UEFA, which is a start.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on September 02, 2009, 11:46:11 AM
Gunner,  If you going to post articles/entries from somewhere else, please include the source. A link would be nice.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 02, 2009, 01:01:28 PM
i can't even link a video or picture properly,

from now on

any thing i post that contains no gramatical or spelling erros camefrom bbc, espnsoccernet, skysports or arsenal-mania.com

does this bring down my grade point average proffesor bitter?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 02, 2009, 01:04:07 PM
 :-\
i notice no one commented on my reproduced post about the media and fa biasedness

no suprise, everyone knwos the FA has thier darlings, and fergie was upset when David Dein was on the FA but he's no longer with arsenal so i guess thats of for SAF

and his comments after the arsenal game were thinly veiled, he knew his side just got away with murder
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on September 02, 2009, 01:10:51 PM
Man, just post the url and tell we where yuh get it from.
Yuh workin with a b-plus right now.  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on September 02, 2009, 01:14:40 PM
i can't even link a video or picture properly,

from now on

any thing i post that contains no gramatical or spelling erros camefrom bbc, espnsoccernet, skysports or arsenal-mania.com

does this bring down my grade point average proffesor bitter?

The man is right, when people read something they like to know the context.  So if you post something that has an Arsenal slant, it's good to know if it's coming from an objective source like the BBC or a partisan site like arsenal-mania.  I'm sure you can understand that if someone posts an article saying that Dwight Yorke is the "Greatest Ever!!", it makes a difference if the article was published in the Express or whether it was published in the UK Guardian.

As for posting a link... assuming you know where the URL window is, just highlight what's in there, copy and paste... presto! we have linkage.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 02, 2009, 01:34:33 PM
there somefantastic vids of roooooney diving, that i want to link tell meh how plz

its from www.arsenal-mania.com the articles is: To the media and the FA: Have you got your priorities right?

http://arsenal-mania.com/articles/3107345/To-the-media-and-the-FA-Have-you-got-your-priorities-right.html
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on September 02, 2009, 01:43:32 PM
there somefantastic vids of roooooney diving, that i want to link tell meh how plz

its from www.arsenal-mania.com the articles is: To the media and the FA: Have you got your priorities right?

http://arsenal-mania.com/articles/3107345/To-the-media-and-the-FA-Have-you-got-your-priorities-right.html

I only know How to link YouTube vids (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=39976.0)...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: DeSoWa on September 02, 2009, 03:24:21 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/HXw7Xk4hk-Q

Big Up!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: doc on September 03, 2009, 10:00:34 AM
From Times Online
September 2, 2009
Eduardo ban the worst case of Uefa bungling, says Patrick Barclay
Times Chief Football Commentator delivers his verdict on Uefa's decision to retrospectively ban the Arsenal striker for diving. He talks to Ben Smith


Is the two-match European ban a brave judgment or a stupid one? And do Uefa have any hope of upholding this ruling?

It is a cowardly judgment that was made simply to appease the English press. Uefa will find it very difficult to show any consistency going forward.

The general principle before this incident seems to have been that there should be no retrospective judgment if a referee has seen an incident during play. But in the Eduardo case the referee did see it. Therefore, it should not have been reviewed. But it was reviewed. What that means is that Uefa has made a rod for itself, leaving the governing body in a ridiculous position.

From now on every incident of diving, even if it is spotted by the referee, will have to be punished by a two-match suspension - even if it is only a yellow card offence in the rule book. So does that mean you hand out suspensions every time a referee books a player for diving?
Related Links

    * Arsenal to appeal Eduardo’s two-game ban

    * Upright behaviour the way to stop diving

    * Arsenal plea over Eduardo set to fall on deaf ears

It is the worst piece of judicial bungling I have ever come across in all my years of covering football.

Will Uefa now come unstuck over less obvious cases of diving?

Eduardo's dive wasn't clear. It was quite a shock to return from the Champions League draw and see the incident so many witnesses had condemned. The first time I watched it was in the Sky TV studio before filming Sunday Supplement. There were four journalists there, now bear in mind you can't get four journalists to agree on anything, but we all said we couldn't be 100 per cent certain it was dive.

So how Uefa, with the benefit of the replays we saw, came to the conclusion they did is beyond belief. I can only assume the witch-hunt mentality that Arsene Wenger has alluded to has spread to Uefa, which personally I find very worrying. I have never known such a mess.

How will Uefa police this in the future?

Uefa appear to favour retrospective punishment to video assistance for referees during matches, when wrongs could actually be righted on the advice of the fourth official. But Michel Platini is against video assistance full stop, so we will see more additional assistants, known as AARs, introduced. This policy does offer hope of a substantial improvement in justice without the hazards of video, so I like the concept.

An official on the goalline may have spotted the Eduardo incident and it could have been addressed immediately.

Where does all this leave the referees?

It is very difficult for a referee to police the rules as they stand, without having to play God by getting into players' heads. There are times when there is no contact and you can see with a certain degree of certainty that was a dive but most of the time that is not the case even with the aid of video evidence.

The referees are in an extremely difficult position and Uefa have set the most dangerous precedent imaginable.

How will this play out from here?

Uefa have got two choices: what they should do is overturn their decision and allow Arsenal's appeal. But what they will do is probably reduce Eduardo's ban to one match - which is the worst outcome of all.

To take the step of admitting they have mishandled the situation is probably beyond Uefa. If they did have any honour and decency they would admit they have got this wrong. What they will probably do is uphold their ruling, maybe reducing it to a one-match ban, and then they will not touch diving again. Uefa will just hope this has the salutary effect and hope they can ride it out.

What does this mean for the wider game?

There was an incident in the Bolton Wanderers v Liverpool game on Saturday when Fernando Torres was brilliantly tackled by Zat Knight in the penalty area. The tackle was clean but slightly from behind, so Torres went over Knight's outstretched leg and took a tumble. Torres made no attempt to claim a penalty and the referee waved play on. But Knight and Gary Cahill then stood over Torres calling him a diver and we are going to get a lot more of that from now on.

Because of Uefa's ruling, those players, ie the ones calling Torres a diver, could be banned for two matches for simulation. Which means "acting with obvious intent to make any match official make an incorrect decision". So if we were going to be consistent, Knight and Cahill would be looking at a two-match ban. It is a crazy situation.

source: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article6818782.ece
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Post by: GunnerStunner on September 03, 2009, 09:14:36 PM
From Times Online
September 2, 2009
Eduardo ban the worst case of Uefa bungling, says Patrick Barclay
Times Chief Football Commentator delivers his verdict on Uefa's decision to retrospectively ban the Arsenal striker for diving. He talks to Ben Smith


There was an incident in the Bolton Wanderers v Liverpool game on Saturday when Fernando Torres was brilliantly tackled by Zat Knight in the penalty area. The tackle was clean but slightly from behind, so Torres went over Knight's outstretched leg and took a tumble. Torres made no attempt to claim a penalty and the referee waved play on. But Knight and Gary Cahill then stood over Torres calling him a diver and we are going to get a lot more of that from now on.

Because of Uefa's ruling, those players, ie the ones calling Torres a diver, could be banned for two matches for simulation. Which means "acting with obvious intent to make any match official make an incorrect decision". So if we were going to be consistent, Knight and Cahill would be looking at a two-match ban. It is a crazy situation.

source: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article6818782.ece
brilliant simply brilliant, UEFA were and are impressionable, see liverpool winning  champions league but failing to qualify the for the following year
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Post by: takenoprisoners on September 05, 2009, 10:59:30 AM
Djourou suffers injury blow
Gunners defender undergoes knee surgery

Last updated: 5th September 2009


Djourou: Out of action

Johan Djourou is facing up to six months on the sidelines after undergoing a knee operation.

The Arsenal defender went under the knife in Geneva on Friday, with the Swiss football federation confirming the procedure had been carried out on their official website.

The 22-year-old had been hoping to push for a regular starting berth with the Gunners this season, following the summer sale of Kolo Toure to Manchester City.
However, on the advice of medical staff, he has opted to have surgery in an effort to rid himself of a niggling ailment.

The Switzerland international was forced to pull out of his country's clash with Italy last month after struggling with a recurrence of a knee problem.

Djourou is hoping to be back in action by March 2010 and is still hopeful of being involved at next summer's World Cup finals - should Switzerland qualify.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11670_5539672,00.html
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Post by: MarylandTrini on September 08, 2009, 05:27:18 AM

http://www.youtube.com/v/JtwWLaTmiic

Rooney dive on Saturday
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: WestCoast on September 08, 2009, 07:17:34 AM
I guess that since swan dive boy gone, belly flop man have to take over
boy rooney wha wrong wid you
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: capodetutticapi on September 08, 2009, 07:49:36 AM
I guess that since swan dive boy gone, belly flop man have to take over
boy rooney wha wrong wid you
nah nah nah,that was no dive.de defender pull he shut plus he step on he foot by mistake.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 11, 2009, 09:27:29 AM
By Chris Harris
 
Arsène Wenger DID receive an apology following his sending off at Old Trafford last month.
 
The Arsenal manager was sent to the stands in the dying seconds of the 2-1 defeat against Manchester United on August 29 after kicking out at a water bottle in the technical area when Robin van Persie’s stoppage-time effort was ruled out for offside.
 
Wenger’s subsequent dismissal brought a dramatic game to a farcical conclusion and the Frenchman has since been contacted by the Head of Referees, Keith Hackett.
 
“He apologised for what happened,” explained Wenger.

“There was no bad intention behind that [bottle kicking]. It was frustration that the goal had been cancelled.

“We fought so hard in the game and for us to go home without any points was hard to take.”
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Post by: GunnerStunner on September 11, 2009, 09:30:02 AM
time for epl again

bring on city, ade has some licks to get and toure will have some goals to collect

they going to be out to prove something but we are stinging from the loss at our own hads to manchester united, only thing a few players may have some international fatigue, as city dont have that many inernationals who played this week
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on September 11, 2009, 10:32:17 AM
Arshavin is out for 3 games, aggravating his injury playing for Russia on Wednesday.
Theo is possibly back for the Champions League game next week, but not in time for tomorrow.
Rosicky played 58 mins on Wednesday, maybe Saturday is too soon? He'll probably make the bench and come on for a 10 mins.

My team:

Almunia
Sagna Gallas Verm Clichy
Song
Denilson Fabregas
Bendtner RVP Eduardo

Bench: Mannone, Gibbs, Eboue, Senderos, Diaby, Ramsey, Rosicky
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on September 11, 2009, 03:49:37 PM
Djourou out for the season.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on September 12, 2009, 09:40:02 AM
Adebayor rippin right now..
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on September 12, 2009, 09:40:59 AM
...... AND HE JUST POISON ALLYUH!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on September 12, 2009, 09:45:48 AM
4-1 now.... wowzers!  :o
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: jason23 on September 12, 2009, 09:47:55 AM
I HAVE JUS LOST MY REASON 2 LOVE AGAIN........MAN C-4 ARSENAL 1...WEN WILL THE PAIN GO AWAY :frustrated: :frustrated: :frustrated: :frustrated: :frustrated: :frustrated: :frustrated: :cursing: :cursing: :cursing: :cursing: :cursing: :cursing: :banginghead: :banginghead: :banginghead: :banginghead: :busshead: :busshead: :busshead: :busshead: :busshead: :busshead:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Tenorsaw on September 12, 2009, 09:53:53 AM
Adebeyor returns to haunt his former team...and taunts the Arsenal fans in the process. ;D  Man City might be for real.  Hughes has them looking like a decent unit.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: WestCoast on September 12, 2009, 09:58:20 AM
Live Table
http://www.sportinglife.com/football/live/tables/premiership.html
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on September 12, 2009, 10:07:58 AM
city did well today...arsenal a bit unlucky i must say...toure and lescott is not no hot partnership as ppl will soon find out...going forward city were excellent, de jong did very well (unsung hero)...i am glad to see rosicky back, the man is a dan, my god...cant wait to have arshavin, nasri back (plus a competent DM please mr wenger)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on September 12, 2009, 10:18:50 AM
I predict Adebayor getting in trouble for:

1) Standing on Cesc's ankle
2) Kicking RVP in the face
3) Running the length of the field to celebrate in front of the away fans

It would've been a very different game if he was rightly sent off at 1-1. And we had two VERY good shouts for penalties.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kicker on September 12, 2009, 10:23:18 AM
Adebeyor returns to haunt his former team...and taunts the Arsenal fans in the process. ;D  Man City might be for real.  Hughes has them looking like a decent unit.


Adebayor was a bit unsportsman-like in his celebration... not a pretty sight.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on September 12, 2009, 01:27:46 PM
Van Persie reaction to Adebayor incident

Robin van Persie has issued the following statement following an incident with Emmanuel Adebayor at Saturday's game:

"I am sad and disappointed by my former team-mate Emmanuel Adebayor's mindless and malicious stamp on me during today's match.

"We are both professional footballers and I know that the game is physical, I too have made hard and sometimes mis-timed challenges but never with the intention of hurting an opponent. He set out to hurt me today.

"I knew he was aiming for a collision because he changed the angle of his body to allow contact to be made.  He moved backwards when his natural momentum would have taken him forward. I find that deeply disrespectful. He has shown a real lack of class today, to me and the fans.

"I do feel lucky that I have not suffered a greater injury. The contact was only centimetres from my eye. I have not received an apology from him, there were no words exchanged afterwards. He had his own agenda today and that is bad for football. It's bad for the game we all love.

"I want to make it clear that this has nothing to do with the result of today's match.  We do not hide from that disappointment but I need to speak out about his behaviour."

Arsenal.com
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Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on September 12, 2009, 01:38:19 PM
Fabregas to Barça Jan 2010 transfer window.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on September 12, 2009, 01:38:35 PM
Van Persie reaction to Adebayor incident

Robin van Persie has issued the following statement following an incident with Emmanuel Adebayor at Saturday's game:

"I am sad and disappointed by my former team-mate Emmanuel Adebayor's mindless and malicious stamp on me during today's match.

"We are both professional footballers and I know that the game is physical, I too have made hard and sometimes mis-timed challenges but never with the intention of hurting an opponent. He set out to hurt me today.

"I knew he was aiming for a collision because he changed the angle of his body to allow contact to be made.  He moved backwards when his natural momentum would have taken him forward. I find that deeply disrespectful. He has shown a real lack of class today, to me and the fans.

"I do feel lucky that I have not suffered a greater injury. The contact was only centimetres from my eye. I have not received an apology from him, there were no words exchanged afterwards. He had his own agenda today and that is bad for football. It's bad for the game we all love.

"I want to make it clear that this has nothing to do with the result of today's match.  We do not hide from that disappointment but I need to speak out about his behaviour."

Arsenal.com


i don't find it looked intentional... certainly look real clumsy but i severely doubt he woulda set out to stamp ah man in he face like that..

then again, he didnt look too apologetic..

lewwe hear what Adebayor have to say about it.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on September 12, 2009, 01:45:39 PM
Van Persie reaction to Adebayor incident

Robin van Persie has issued the following statement following an incident with Emmanuel Adebayor at Saturday's game:

"I am sad and disappointed by my former team-mate Emmanuel Adebayor's mindless and malicious stamp on me during today's match.

"We are both professional footballers and I know that the game is physical, I too have made hard and sometimes mis-timed challenges but never with the intention of hurting an opponent. He set out to hurt me today.

"I knew he was aiming for a collision because he changed the angle of his body to allow contact to be made.  He moved backwards when his natural momentum would have taken him forward. I find that deeply disrespectful. He has shown a real lack of class today, to me and the fans.

"I do feel lucky that I have not suffered a greater injury. The contact was only centimetres from my eye. I have not received an apology from him, there were no words exchanged afterwards. He had his own agenda today and that is bad for football. It's bad for the game we all love.

"I want to make it clear that this has nothing to do with the result of today's match.  We do not hide from that disappointment but I need to speak out about his behaviour."

Arsenal.com


i don't find it looked intentional... certainly look real clumsy but i severely doubt he woulda set out to stamp ah man in he face like that..

then again, he didnt look too apologetic..

lewwe hear what Adebayor have to say about it.

He didn't look too apologetic standing on Cesc's ankle either
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Post by: big dawg on September 12, 2009, 02:10:19 PM
un-sportsmanlike conduct....

look how security had to hold back some arsenal fans from going after this clown.

 http://www.youtube.com/v/pLk598kDTYk



Now watch the stamp..

He should get at least one game for this

http://www.youtube.com/v/fW1KEz8Aezs
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on September 12, 2009, 02:25:44 PM
The fans were bigger c**ts towards him all of last season... but still, he's the professional and for sheer deterrence factor he should rightly be reprimanded by his team and/or the FA.

It's a disservice to the league and the sport in general.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 12, 2009, 05:31:25 PM
The fans were bigger c**ts towards him all of last season... but still, he's the professional and for sheer deterrence factor he should rightly be reprimanded by his team and/or the FA.

It's a disservice to the league and the sport in general.

sorry? i beg your pardon? you forgot the shite he played last season? the half hearted performances? the comments about when other clubs are interested in you?

all fans ever want to see is you give a hundred percent everygame thats all (see nobody really too vex about how tnt played against usa on thurs cus they gave it a go)

if adebayor performed most of the games he played in last season like he played today, the fans would never have have villified him

arsenal made him a world wide name in football
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 12, 2009, 05:37:07 PM
city did well today...arsenal a bit unlucky i must say...toure and lescott is not no hot partnership as ppl will soon find out...going forward city were excellent, de jong did very well (unsung hero)...i am glad to see rosicky back, the man is a dan, my god...cant wait to have arshavin, nasri back (plus a competent DM please mr wenger)

cosign, doh forget RvP effort he work he socks off today, the goals were lack of concentration and getting caught to far up, also seems bendtner is back to his shitsnake ways, wish he ficked adebayor in he stones and got a red card would done us a huge favor
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: SOBRIQUET on September 12, 2009, 06:13:35 PM
haha... arsenal players and fans alike is the best oui.... of course, deflect the attention from the CUT-ASS allyuh colleck! just like the Man U game a couple weeks ago! back then was Fletcher right? Allyuh could never lose gracefully! Is always somebody else fault!!!! same shit, different year.  Arsenal is shit for 5 years running and will be shit as long as Wenger and his Policies remain. take allyuh licks and crawl in a corner please! That lil-boy squad aint ready yet! Do yuh forkin ting Addy, only you felt what them fikkle Arsenal fans put yuh through.  Express yuhself horsey. Hopefully Eboue does the same once he leave too! Which odder team does be booing they own players like that?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Tenorsaw on September 12, 2009, 06:38:44 PM
haha... arsenal players and fans alike is the best oui.... of course, deflect the attention from the CUT-ASS allyuh colleck! just like the Man U game a couple weeks ago! back then was Fletcher right? Allyuh could never lose gracefully! Is always somebody else fault!!!! same shit, different year.  Arsenal is shit for 5 years running and will be shit as long as Wenger and his Policies remain. take allyuh licks and crawl in a corner please! That lil boysquad aint ready yet! Do yuh forkin ting Addy, only you felt what them fikkle Arsenal fans put yuh through.  Express yuhself horsey. Hopefully Eboue dothe same once he leave too! Which odder team does be booing they own players like that?

Amen....Setta wagonist and Hollywood supporters with no real ties to that team.  That shit woudda never happen at Chelsea, Man U or 'Pool.  I ain't hera Chelsea supporters booing Terry, and he take kinda long to quash rumors of a move to Man City.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on September 12, 2009, 06:43:19 PM
if it was me, i woulda do de same forkin ting and take ah fine after...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: SOBRIQUET on September 12, 2009, 07:38:03 PM
haha... arsenal players and fans alike is the best oui.... of course, deflect the attention from the CUT-ASS allyuh colleck! just like the Man U game a couple weeks ago! back then was Fletcher right? Allyuh could never lose gracefully! Is always somebody else fault!!!! same shit, different year.  Arsenal is shit for 5 years running and will be shit as long as Wenger and his Policies remain. take allyuh licks and crawl in a corner please! That lil boysquad aint ready yet! Do yuh forkin ting Addy, only you felt what them fikkle Arsenal fans put yuh through.  Express yuhself horsey. Hopefully Eboue dothe same once he leave too! Which odder team does be booing they own players like that?

Amen....Setta wagonist and Hollywood supporters with no real ties to that team.  That shit woudda never happen at Chelsea, Man U or 'Pool.  I ain't hera Chelsea supporters booing Terry, and he take kinda long to quash rumors of a move to Man City.

Horse, Drogba wuz worse than Terry! Was like 3 years straight he was batting eyes with all kinda teams! a whole season and a half too-tooing down heself.  Yuh ever hear Drogba get Boo from chelsea Fans?  Steups.  Arsenal fans have a real false sense of entitlement!  Get over yourselves!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on September 12, 2009, 08:13:01 PM
haha... arsenal players and fans alike is the best oui.... of course, deflect the attention from the CUT-ASS allyuh colleck! just like the Man U game a couple weeks ago! back then was Fletcher right? Allyuh could never lose gracefully! Is always somebody else fault!!!! same shit, different year.  Arsenal is shit for 5 years running and will be shit as long as Wenger and his Policies remain. take allyuh licks and crawl in a corner please! That lil boysquad aint ready yet! Do yuh forkin ting Addy, only you felt what them fikkle Arsenal fans put yuh through.  Express yuhself horsey. Hopefully Eboue dothe same once he leave too! Which odder team does be booing they own players like that?

Amen....Setta wagonist and Hollywood supporters with no real ties to that team.  That shit woudda never happen at Chelsea, Man U or 'Pool.  I ain't hera Chelsea supporters booing Terry, and he take kinda long to quash rumors of a move to Man City.

Horse, Drogba wuz worse than Terry! Was like 3 years straight he was batting eyes with all kinda teams! a whole season and a half too-tooing down heself.  Yuh ever hear Drogba get Boo from chelsea Fans?  Steups.  Arsenal fans have a real false sense of entitlement!  Get over yourselves!


errrr...arsenal fans are used to winning trophies (at least since 2005) so i think they have a right to be a bit disgruntled (its not like we are burnley or stoke for gods sake come on)...and please dont compare adebayor to drogba...drogba was a household name before chelsea whereas adebayor was relatively unknown...i am not saying arsenal made him but we certainly helped raise his profile.   i personally wish him well at man city, they look like they will be a force to be reckoned with this season...and for the record no one is blaming him for the loss today, tactics and poor defensive performance cost us today end of story.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 12, 2009, 11:08:03 PM
haha... arsenal players and fans alike is the best oui.... of course, deflect the attention from the CUT-ASS allyuh colleck! just like the Man U game a couple weeks ago! back then was Fletcher right? Allyuh could never lose gracefully! Is always somebody else fault!!!! same shit, different year.  Arsenal is shit for 5 years running and will be shit as long as Wenger and his Policies remain. take allyuh licks and crawl in a corner please! That lil-boy squad aint ready yet! Do yuh forkin ting Addy, only you felt what them fikkle Arsenal fans put yuh through.  Express yuhself horsey. Hopefully Eboue does the same once he leave too! Which odder team does be booing they own players like that?

take eboue nah? yuh cyuant

and no we never blamed anyone but ourselves, and the ref, which was out of our control, we hit the post ade cleared off the line a few times and given made huge saves, so they got lucky we paid the price now fork off back you your cave of ignorance
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 12, 2009, 11:09:11 PM
if it was me, i woulda do de same forkin ting and take ah fine after...

big talk from a small man
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on September 13, 2009, 07:01:02 AM
hell hath no fury  :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: SOBRIQUET on September 13, 2009, 09:45:13 AM
hell hath no fury  :rotfl:

more like, a woman scorned:)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on September 13, 2009, 12:16:13 PM
Ade showed exactly why Arsene9 had to no problem letting him go. Immature and selfish little pr*ck! Last year was last year, move the f*ck on already! I hope he gets a few games for showing his immature and being so selfish!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: capodetutticapi on September 13, 2009, 06:56:46 PM
arsenal NOT finishing in de top 4 this year.you heard it here first.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on September 13, 2009, 08:06:16 PM
arsenal NOT finishing in de top 4 this year.you heard it here first.

 ::)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Blue on September 14, 2009, 12:49:15 AM
To me, Van Persie look 4 dat stamp. If you prepared to dive in on a man so recklessly (and Van Persie is a petulant fella), den yuh hadda be prepared for the consequences. On another day, Adebayor could have ended up wid a broken ankle.

And when Adebayor went on dat amazing run only for SWP to miss d whole goal....watch how Bendtner tried to hack him down twice! Good ting Bendtner is such a sh!ttong, Adbeyaor had no problem jumping over him  :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: onlikecorn on September 14, 2009, 01:04:19 AM
ok . .. i supporting arsenal fuh a real long time now . . and well from what i see so far this year. . . arsenal could still be a force. . buh dey lackin in a couple areas. . . 1 major area is depth . . cuz de squad  . .although young have a good idea .. . a few more experienced ones to steady the ship of youths. . .but when the experienced ones get injured. . .the youngens cyah hold there own . . .  but to say they not finishin in the top 4. . . too early for that . . . another area dey real lackin is a holding midfielder .. . they currently have nobody who could play that consitently . . and lastly  .. they need somebody to put the ball in de friggin net. . . yuh could play all de pretty football yuh want .. buh if yuh doh puh de ball in de net . . yuh gonna lose. .

as far as adebayor is concerned. . . men could say it justified. . people could say they treat him bad. . . it have no excuse for me. . as a footballer and football supporter and lover of the game. . . that jes leave a sour taste in mih mouth .  . . he real upset me   .  i could let the celebration ting slide. . not cuz he apologize. . buh cuz i know bout emotions and ting running over yuh in a game and does make yuh do things like dat . . . i celebrate in front of opposition fans before. . and i take my yellow card and cool it. . . buh to stamp a man in he face. . daiz real low. . .

kudos to man city though to stickin to their plan . . it worked to perfection. . . and they finish their chances. . .

i is ah arsenal supporter and i goin to say that these last 2 matches show that we still inexperienced. . and not on the same level as the other big teams. . .  manchester plays good they win . . chelsea plays good and they win . . but arsenal play good. . .and yuh never know what goin to happen . .. dominated large portions of both games in manchester but failed to kill off the opposition . . .

but like i said .. still early days yet

and i eagerly waitin for the likes of nasri, walcott and now arshavin to come back from injury. . .

and welcome back rosicky nice to see yuh back on the field
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on September 14, 2009, 01:34:11 AM

Adebayor confronted about the controversy...

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/wsBPhiUM5jY
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 14, 2009, 04:57:47 AM
marc hughes thinks the world is full of idiots

the man say ade ran to a section of city fans he has a special affinity towards, that just happen to be next to the away section

he also says ade is emoyional and said sorry on camera and he should be forgiven

ade says he doesnt know what he did wrong, and shouldnt be banned, we if you did nothing wrong why appologise?

if he accidentally stepped on RvP face in the game he would have said something to the player rigth away but the tall ignorant amoral cyant stands way off with no remorse, a guilty face if yuh ever saw one

f**k him and them, i hope manchester united deal up they collective cyants
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on September 14, 2009, 05:00:23 AM
Gunner,
Sometimes you just have to take your liks and cool it. You coming like small mag with this arsenal ting.
Enjoy the football.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: SOBRIQUET on September 14, 2009, 10:31:47 AM
haha... arsenal players and fans alike is the best oui.... of course, deflect the attention from the CUT-ASS allyuh colleck! just like the Man U game a couple weeks ago! back then was Fletcher right? Allyuh could never lose gracefully! Is always somebody else fault!!!! same shit, different year.  Arsenal is shit for 5 years running and will be shit as long as Wenger and his Policies remain. take allyuh licks and crawl in a corner please! That lil boysquad aint ready yet! Do yuh forkin ting Addy, only you felt what them fikkle Arsenal fans put yuh through.  Express yuhself horsey. Hopefully Eboue dothe same once he leave too! Which odder team does be booing they own players like that?

Amen....Setta wagonist and Hollywood supporters with no real ties to that team.  That shit woudda never happen at Chelsea, Man U or 'Pool.  I ain't hera Chelsea supporters booing Terry, and he take kinda long to quash rumors of a move to Man City.

Horse, Drogba wuz worse than Terry! Was like 3 years straight he was batting eyes with all kinda teams! a whole season and a half too-tooing down heself.  Yuh ever hear Drogba get Boo from chelsea Fans?  Steups.  Arsenal fans have a real false sense of entitlement!  Get over yourselves!


errrr...arsenal fans are used to winning trophies (at least since 2005) so i think they have a right to be a bit disgruntled (its not like we are burnley or stoke for gods sake come on)...and please dont compare adebayor to drogba...drogba was a household name before chelsea whereas adebayor was relatively unknown...i am not saying arsenal made him but we certainly helped raise his profile.   i personally wish him well at man city, they look like they will be a force to be reckoned with this season...and for the record no one is blaming him for the loss today, tactics and poor defensive performance cost us today end of story.

horse... sorry, but Liverpool have much more history than Arsenal and haven't won the League in years!  When last you see Pool fans BOOING their players? steupsss.  Arsenal fans, as i said before, have a FALSE sense of entitlement.  Get over yourselves!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: JDB on September 14, 2009, 11:09:30 AM
horse... sorry, but Liverpool have much more history than Arsenal and haven't won the League in years!  When last you see Pool fans BOOING their players? steupsss.  Arsenal fans, as i said before, have a FLASE sense of entitlement.  Get over yourselves!

Couldn't have said it better myself. I not one for generalizing about fans because each club has the same people supporting them, just in different colours, but...Arsenal fans treatment of Eboue last year was absolutely disgraceful.

The Adebayor situation is real funny. In saying that he was responsible for inciting trouble we basically that he should EXPECT the fans to behave like assholes he should account for THEIR immature, dotish behaviour. At no point does anybody point fingers at teh jackasses who pelt chairs, food, drink and rush to the front of the stand.

So Adebayor score a goal and rub it in your face after yuh giving him grief for the entire game, what kind of loutish asshole you have to be to want to fight for that?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on September 14, 2009, 12:07:03 PM
something to take allyuh mind off the Man City cutass...


Eduardo's two-match ban for diving overturned

http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/10069052/Eduardo%27s-two-match-ban-for-diving-overturned (http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/10069052/Eduardo%27s-two-match-ban-for-diving-overturned)

An independent appeals panel for European football's governing body uphold an appeal that was presented in person by Eduardo and Arsenal's lawyers.

UEFA said it looked at video evidence and considered the match referee's opinion before siding with the Croatia forward.

"It was not established to the panel's satisfaction that the referee had been deceived in taking his decision on the penalty," UEFA said in a statement.

Eduardo is now clear to play in Arsenal's opening group stage match at Standard Liege on Wednesday and the home match against Olympiakos on Sept. 29.

UEFA's disciplinary panel ruled Sept. 1 that Eduardo dived when winning a penalty in a qualifying match against Celtic last month.

Eduardo fell after a challenge from goalkeeper Artur Boruc and then scored from the penalty spot. Arsenal went on to win the second-leg match 3-1, advancing 5-1 on aggregate.

The incident provoked a media storm after the Scottish Football Association, representing Celtic, urged UEFA to study video evidence.

Arsenal said the disciplinary panel had delivered a "deeply flawed" ruling after failing to review the pictures thoroughly.

The club also argued that Eduardo, who broke his leg in February 2008, took evasive action to avoid a repeat of the serious injury that had sidelined him for a year.

Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger described UEFA's pursuit of his player as a "witch hunt," while England fans targeted him for verbal abuse during a World Cup qualifier against Croatia last week.

Eduardo was booed every time he touched the ball in Croatia's 5-1 defeat at Wembley, and was denied what appeared to be a legitimate penalty claim. He later scored Croatia's consolation goal.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 14, 2009, 01:53:14 PM
Gunner,
Sometimes you just have to take your liks and cool it. You coming like small mag with this arsenal ting.
Enjoy the football.

we got licks fair and square, city exploited the weakness and naievity at the back as we searched for a winner, befor we knew it was a one two three punch, but before the own goal city looked aprehensive, once they got that goal they smelt the blood, something arsneal cant seem to do

also arsenal never stopped trying to score even at 4-1 then 4-2 we kept up the pressure which was the problem to begin with with gallas and vermaelen pushing higher
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 14, 2009, 01:54:48 PM
On Monday evening, UEFA made the following announcement:

 
“The UEFA Appeals Body today accepted the appeal lodged by Arsenal FC against the two-match suspension handed to striker Eduardo.

“Following examination of all the evidence, notably the declarations of both the referee and the referees' assessor, as well as the various video footage, it was not established to the panel's satisfaction that the referee had been deceived in taking his decision on the penalty.

“Therefore, the decision of the UEFA Control and Disciplinary Body of 1 September, in which the player was suspended for two UEFA club competition matches, is annulled.”


Arsenal Football Club then released the following statement:


“We are grateful that the Appeals Body focused on the evidence and made the right decision in this case. We were able to show that there was contact between the goalkeeper and Eduardo and that the decision of the UEFA Disciplinary body should be annulled.

“We fully support the drive for fair play in football and believe it is important that UEFA provide clear and comprehensive standards that will be consistently enforced going forward.  


“We are glad to put this incident behind us and concentrate on the games ahead.”
FROM ARSENAL WEBSITE
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 14, 2009, 02:05:26 PM
haha... arsenal players and fans alike is the best oui.... of course, deflect the attention from the CUT-ASS allyuh colleck! just like the Man U game a couple weeks ago! back then was Fletcher right? Allyuh could never lose gracefully! Is always somebody else fault!!!! same shit, different year.  Arsenal is shit for 5 years running and will be shit as long as Wenger and his Policies remain. take allyuh licks and crawl in a corner please! That lil boysquad aint ready yet! Do yuh forkin ting Addy, only you felt what them fikkle Arsenal fans put yuh through.  Express yuhself horsey. Hopefully Eboue dothe same once he leave too! Which odder team does be booing they own players like that?

Amen....Setta wagonist and Hollywood supporters with no real ties to that team.  That shit woudda never happen at Chelsea, Man U or 'Pool.  I ain't hera Chelsea supporters booing Terry, and he take kinda long to quash rumors of a move to Man City.

Horse, Drogba wuz worse than Terry! Was like 3 years straight he was batting eyes with all kinda teams! a whole season and a half too-tooing down heself.  Yuh ever hear Drogba get Boo from chelsea Fans?  Steups.  Arsenal fans have a real false sense of entitlement!  Get over yourselves!


errrr...arsenal fans are used to winning trophies (at least since 2005) so i think they have a right to be a bit disgruntled (its not like we are burnley or stoke for gods sake come on)...and please dont compare adebayor to drogba...drogba was a household name before chelsea whereas adebayor was relatively unknown...i am not saying arsenal made him but we certainly helped raise his profile.   i personally wish him well at man city, they look like they will be a force to be reckoned with this season...and for the record no one is blaming him for the loss today, tactics and poor defensive performance cost us today end of story.

horse... sorry, but Liverpool have much more history than Arsenal and haven't won the League in years!  When last you see Pool fans BOOING their players? steupsss.  Arsenal fans, as i said before, have a FALSE sense of entitlement.  Get over yourselves!
when last did liverpool won the league or did a double?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: SOBRIQUET on September 14, 2009, 04:30:53 PM
haha... arsenal players and fans alike is the best oui.... of course, deflect the attention from the CUT-ASS allyuh colleck! just like the Man U game a couple weeks ago! back then was Fletcher right? Allyuh could never lose gracefully! Is always somebody else fault!!!! same shit, different year.  Arsenal is shit for 5 years running and will be shit as long as Wenger and his Policies remain. take allyuh licks and crawl in a corner please! That lil boysquad aint ready yet! Do yuh forkin ting Addy, only you felt what them fikkle Arsenal fans put yuh through.  Express yuhself horsey. Hopefully Eboue dothe same once he leave too! Which odder team does be booing they own players like that?

Amen....Setta wagonist and Hollywood supporters with no real ties to that team.  That shit woudda never happen at Chelsea, Man U or 'Pool.  I ain't hera Chelsea supporters booing Terry, and he take kinda long to quash rumors of a move to Man City.

Horse, Drogba wuz worse than Terry! Was like 3 years straight he was batting eyes with all kinda teams! a whole season and a half too-tooing down heself.  Yuh ever hear Drogba get Boo from chelsea Fans?  Steups.  Arsenal fans have a real false sense of entitlement!  Get over yourselves!


errrr...arsenal fans are used to winning trophies (at least since 2005) so i think they have a right to be a bit disgruntled (its not like we are burnley or stoke for gods sake come on)...and please dont compare adebayor to drogba...drogba was a household name before chelsea whereas adebayor was relatively unknown...i am not saying arsenal made him but we certainly helped raise his profile.   i personally wish him well at man city, they look like they will be a force to be reckoned with this season...and for the record no one is blaming him for the loss today, tactics and poor defensive performance cost us today end of story.

horse... sorry, but Liverpool have much more history than Arsenal and haven't won the League in years!  When last you see Pool fans BOOING their players? steupsss.  Arsenal fans, as i said before, have a FALSE sense of entitlement.  Get over yourselves!
when last did liverpool won the league or did a double?

you are just helping my point.  because of their rich history, liverpool fans should be more angry than arsenal fans, because they haven't won the domestic league in quite some time.  yet you absolutely do not see pool fans vehemently booing their players on bad spells. 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on September 14, 2009, 05:14:00 PM
you are just helping my point.  because of their rich history, liverpool fans should be more angry than arsenal fans, because they haven't won the domestic league in quite some time.  yet you absolutely do not see pool fans vehemently booing their players on bad spells. 

Reason is lost on this dude unless you are in absolute agreement with him where Arsenal is concerned.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on September 14, 2009, 06:04:10 PM
horse... sorry, but Liverpool have much more history than Arsenal and haven't won the League in years!  When last you see Pool fans BOOING their players? steupsss.  Arsenal fans, as i said before, have a FLASE sense of entitlement.  Get over yourselves!

Couldn't have said it better myself. I not one for generalizing about fans because each club has the same people supporting them, just in different colours, but...Arsenal fans treatment of Eboue last year was absolutely disgraceful.

The Adebayor situation is real funny. In saying that he was responsible for inciting trouble we basically that he should EXPECT the fans to behave like assholes he should account for THEIR immature, dotish behaviour. At no point does anybody point fingers at teh jackasses who pelt chairs, food, drink and rush to the front of the stand.

So Adebayor score a goal and rub it in your face after yuh giving him grief for the entire game, what kind of loutish asshole you have to be to want to fight for that?

Man does real see them team through Rose coloured glasses we.

What about the booing Lucas get last year from the KOP?
What about the booing Agbonlahor get from the Villa fans?
Chelsea players were all booed on the first day of training camp this year.

The boo boys at all clubs and country (Cole for England got booed) exist. Disgusting yes but it goes on at all clubs all the time.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on September 14, 2009, 06:06:19 PM
horse... sorry, but Liverpool have much more history than Arsenal and haven't won the League in years!  When last you see Pool fans BOOING their players? steupsss.  Arsenal fans, as i said before, have a FLASE sense of entitlement.  Get over yourselves!

Couldn't have said it better myself. I not one for generalizing about fans because each club has the same people supporting them, just in different colours, but...Arsenal fans treatment of Eboue last year was absolutely disgraceful.

The Adebayor situation is real funny. In saying that he was responsible for inciting trouble we basically that he should EXPECT the fans to behave like assholes he should account for THEIR immature, dotish behaviour. At no point does anybody point fingers at teh jackasses who pelt chairs, food, drink and rush to the front of the stand.

So Adebayor score a goal and rub it in your face after yuh giving him grief for the entire game, what kind of loutish asshole you have to be to want to fight for that?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on September 14, 2009, 06:27:29 PM

Man does real see them team through Rose coloured glasses we.

What about the booing Lucas get last year from the KOP?

Nah... you can't be serious.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: SOBRIQUET on September 14, 2009, 06:44:03 PM
horse... sorry, but Liverpool have much more history than Arsenal and haven't won the League in years!  When last you see Pool fans BOOING their players? steupsss.  Arsenal fans, as i said before, have a FLASE sense of entitlement.  Get over yourselves!

Couldn't have said it better myself. I not one for generalizing about fans because each club has the same people supporting them, just in different colours, but...Arsenal fans treatment of Eboue last year was absolutely disgraceful.

The Adebayor situation is real funny. In saying that he was responsible for inciting trouble we basically that he should EXPECT the fans to behave like assholes he should account for THEIR immature, dotish behaviour. At no point does anybody point fingers at teh jackasses who pelt chairs, food, drink and rush to the front of the stand.

So Adebayor score a goal and rub it in your face after yuh giving him grief for the entire game, what kind of loutish asshole you have to be to want to fight for that?

Man does real see them team through Rose coloured glasses we.

What about the booing Lucas get last year from the KOP?
What about the booing Agbonlahor get from the Villa fans?
Chelsea players were all booed on the first day of training camp this year.

The boo boys at all clubs and country (Cole for England got booed) exist. Disgusting yes but it goes on at all clubs all the time.

wow. man just make up stray facts oui. chelsea players get boo on the firstday of TRAININGcamp? come better than that fella!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: maxg on September 14, 2009, 07:00:34 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/chelsea/6092228/Chelsea-fans-boo-players-during-open-day-training-session.html

Colatteral damage
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on September 14, 2009, 07:50:35 PM
haha... arsenal players and fans alike is the best oui.... of course, deflect the attention from the CUT-ASS allyuh colleck! just like the Man U game a couple weeks ago! back then was Fletcher right? Allyuh could never lose gracefully! Is always somebody else fault!!!! same shit, different year.  Arsenal is shit for 5 years running and will be shit as long as Wenger and his Policies remain. take allyuh licks and crawl in a corner please! That lil boysquad aint ready yet! Do yuh forkin ting Addy, only you felt what them fikkle Arsenal fans put yuh through.  Express yuhself horsey. Hopefully Eboue dothe same once he leave too! Which odder team does be booing they own players like that?

Amen....Setta wagonist and Hollywood supporters with no real ties to that team.  That shit woudda never happen at Chelsea, Man U or 'Pool.  I ain't hera Chelsea supporters booing Terry, and he take kinda long to quash rumors of a move to Man City.
Chelsea!!!!

Doh come with that shit here.

Most Chelsea fans on here are late coming waggonists also!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: WestCoast on September 14, 2009, 10:12:37 PM
allya Harsh on de man
He just thought that he was still at Arseanal and had to celebrate with the fans :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on September 15, 2009, 05:24:13 AM
haha... arsenal players and fans alike is the best oui.... of course, deflect the attention from the CUT-ASS allyuh colleck! just like the Man U game a couple weeks ago! back then was Fletcher right? Allyuh could never lose gracefully! Is always somebody else fault!!!! same shit, different year.  Arsenal is shit for 5 years running and will be shit as long as Wenger and his Policies remain. take allyuh licks and crawl in a corner please! That lil boysquad aint ready yet! Do yuh forkin ting Addy, only you felt what them fikkle Arsenal fans put yuh through.  Express yuhself horsey. Hopefully Eboue dothe same once he leave too! Which odder team does be booing they own players like that?

Amen....Setta wagonist and Hollywood supporters with no real ties to that team.  That shit woudda never happen at Chelsea, Man U or 'Pool.  I ain't hera Chelsea supporters booing Terry, and he take kinda long to quash rumors of a move to Man City.
Chelsea!!!!

Doh come with that shit here.

Most Chelsea fans on here are late coming waggonists also!!!


Yep-after drinking the Jose flavoured Kool Aid! Right Chow?  :devil: :devil: :devil: :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on September 15, 2009, 06:12:44 AM

The boo boys at all clubs and country (Cole for England got booed) exist. Disgusting yes but it goes on at all clubs all the time.

when last them thing happen at utd?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Blue on September 15, 2009, 06:33:40 AM

The boo boys at all clubs and country (Cole for England got booed) exist. Disgusting yes but it goes on at all clubs all the time.

when last them thing happen at utd?

Ronaldo, post World Cup wink
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on September 15, 2009, 06:50:46 AM

The boo boys at all clubs and country (Cole for England got booed) exist. Disgusting yes but it goes on at all clubs all the time.

when last them thing happen at utd?

Ronaldo, post World Cup wink

Nope, the United fans were very supportive after the World Cup and that tone was set by Fergie and the senior players on the team. Actually the English United fans have no love for the English side due to the abuse sufferred by United players from the supporters when they played for England in the 90's early 2000's. Don't know after Ronaldo flirted with Real and would not come out and state if he wanted to go or stay if booing was used to express any displeasure.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: elan on September 15, 2009, 07:11:06 AM
ADEBAYOR CONTROVERSY
Adebayor charged twice by FA over conduct
By Soccernet staff

September 15, 2009



 Emmanuel Adebayor has been charged with violent conduct by the FA over his challenge on Robin Van Persie and has also been charged with improper conduct after running the full length of the pitch to celebrate his goal in front of the Arsenal supporters.

Adebayor is facing a three-match ban for violent conduct for the incident involving Van Persie - where he was seen to rake his studs down the Dutchman's face - and, unless the Togo international can successfully argue his case, he is almost certain not to be available for City at least until their trip to Wigan on October 18.

An FA statement read: ''Under the fast-track disciplinary process, Adebayor has been charged with violent conduct following an incident with Robin van Persie, which resulted in the Arsenal player receiving facial injuries.

''Referee Mark Clattenburg has advised The FA that he did not see this incident, but has confirmed that had he done so, he would have sent Adebayor off for violent conduct. The player has until 6pm on Wednesday evening to respond to the charge.''

Adebayor also faces a charge for his goal celebration, which saw Gunners fans explode in anger after the Togo man ran the length of the pitch to goad them, having netted the third goal in City's 4-2 win.

''The Greater Manchester Police have written to The FA with their views on this incident. A separate date will now be arranged for a commission to consider Adebayor's goal celebration,'' the statement continued.

''We have also asked the GMP and the clubs to identify those supporters involved in any violent and aggravating behaviour. The FA would like to see anyone found guilty of such behaviour face action through the legal system and banning orders from football.

''The FA would like to thank the Manchester City FC stewards for the way they managed a very difficult situation and to pass on sincere best wishes to the steward who was injured during the game.

''We will continue to work with the LMA and PFA in particular to help remind players of their responsibilities, especially in highly charged situations.''







I think this is shyte the part with RVP especially seeing that the ref was standing right there. Why have refs if you are going to review every point of contention of the match except  questionable goals? That's hypocritical of the governing bodies.

As a ref I would think that the Bodies have no confidence in my ability to effectively officiate the match. The ref association needs to step in quickly caus pretty soon they will only be window dressing - if that much - out on the pitch. There is no way the bodies can keep banning players after the fact.

Two top class teams need to take the field and play with out any tackles or contact, giving an explanation that they don't want their players to be banned after the game so they are ensuring this by not making contact with anyone.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 15, 2009, 07:18:27 AM
you are just helping my point.  because of their rich history, liverpool fans should be more angry than arsenal fans, because they haven't won the domestic league in quite some time.  yet you absolutely do not see pool fans vehemently booing their players on bad spells. 

Reason is lost on this dude unless you are in absolute agreement with him where Arsenal is concerned.

gee i guess rafas madness is spreadin to pool fans
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: SOBRIQUET on September 15, 2009, 07:30:15 AM
Ian Wright (ex Arsenal player) on Adebayor..... calls many arsenal fans "corporate" and "fickle"

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/2637205/Fans-can-dish-it-out-but-not-take-it.html

EMMANUEL ADEBAYOR made a big mistake running 90 yards to celebrate in front of the Arsenal fans.

Deep down, though, I'm not sure whether the former Gunners striker will ever really regret it.


Adebayor could have caused a major riot at Eastlands on Saturday and I'm sure he'll end up getting a ban for his actions, particularly when you also consider what he also did to his old team-mate Robin van Persie.


The crowd problems between West Ham and Millwall are fresh in the memory and the football authorities will be keen to act on what will be seen as provocation from a player.


However crazy his actions were, Adebayor - after getting bucketloads of stick for his £25million move - was only doing something which many other players would love to have done.


It's just Adebayor had the bottle to go for it.


After I left Crystal Palace for Arsenal, I got a fair amount of stick.


Some fans wrote stuff on the wall of my mum's house accusing me of being a Judas.


It wasn't nice that my family was getting dragged into things.


The first time I scored against Palace, I did not run over to their fans - even though I thought about it.


Putting the ball in the net gave me the real satisfaction.


I must admit, I did celebrate in front of other away fans and after the game, I would usually get a dressing room visit from a policeman.


It's just that some fans want everything. They love to scream abuse at players and say things about the players' wives and kids - but if they get something back, they don't like it. And they cannot handle it.


Togo international Adebayor has clearly been storing a lot anger inside and he wanted to give an instant answer to all of the Arsenal fans.


He was criticised when it looked as though he was going to move last summer.


When Emmanuel Eboue was jeered at the Emirates last season, Adebayor was clearly annoyed and was not afraid to back his team-mate. He was right, as no fans should ever turn on one of their own.


I think many supporters these days - particularly at Arsenal - are a bit corporate.


This means they are less tolerant towards players and are far quicker to dish the dirt and this is not acceptable, either. Had Adebayor, 25, not slid on his knees in front of the fans, he would not have got any less stick.


 
Equally, though, he has now given them more ammunition and you can guarantee that throughout the rest of his career, whenever he faces his old club, the abuse will be endless.


The return match in north London in late April will now certainly be interesting.


Aside from the Adebayor situation, the bottom line for Arsene Wenger's Arsenal side is they lost against a team who will be challenging them for that lucrative Champions league place.


They played well at Manchester United and also lost.


Some Arsenal fans are fickle and they often have a go at me just because I say the team will not win every single trophy on offer.


The facts are that they are in for a tough season and whatever fans might think of him, the loss of a 20-goal striker like Adebayor is a huge blow.


But I think it's fair to say he probably won't ever be returning to play for the club.


Wenger's two defeats are nothing compared to Roy Keane's problems at Ipswich.


He was a great player and I would love him to dispel the theory that great players cannot become good managers.


After walking out on Sunderland, I'm wondering how long before he does exactly the same at Ipswich


Second from bottom in the Championship without a win all season, things are looking exceptionally tough for Keane in Suffolk.


I just hope Keane - and Ipswich's board - have patience.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on September 15, 2009, 07:46:03 AM
Please ... most people don't take anything Ian Wright have to say seriously.
He was a great player but that's about it.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on September 15, 2009, 07:47:44 AM
Adebayor charged twice by FA over conduct

Emmanuel Adebayor has been charged with violent conduct by the FA over his challenge on Robin Van Persie and has also been charged with improper conduct after running the full length of the pitch to celebrate his goal in front of the Arsenal supporters.

Adebayor is facing a three-match ban for violent conduct for the incident involving Van Persie - where he was seen to rake his studs down the Dutchman's face - and, unless the Togo international can successfully argue his case, he is almost certain not to be available for City at least until their trip to Wigan on October 18.

An FA statement read: ''Under the fast-track disciplinary process, Adebayor has been charged with violent conduct following an incident with Robin van Persie, which resulted in the Arsenal player receiving facial injuries.

''Referee Mark Clattenburg has advised The FA that he did not see this incident, but has confirmed that had he done so, he would have sent Adebayor off for violent conduct. The player has until 6pm on Wednesday evening to respond to the charge.''

Adebayor also faces a charge for his goal celebration, which saw Gunners fans explode in anger after the Togo man ran the length of the pitch to goad them, having netted the third goal in City's 4-2 win.

''The Greater Manchester Police have written to The FA with their views on this incident. A separate date will now be arranged for a commission to consider Adebayor's goal celebration,'' the statement continued.

''We have also asked the GMP and the clubs to identify those supporters involved in any violent and aggravating behaviour. The FA would like to see anyone found guilty of such behaviour face action through the legal system and banning orders from football.

''The FA would like to thank the Manchester City FC stewards for the way they managed a very difficult situation and to pass on sincere best wishes to the steward who was injured during the game.

''We will continue to work with the LMA and PFA in particular to help remind players of their responsibilities, especially in highly charged situations.''

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on September 15, 2009, 07:57:24 AM
I don't understand all this calling Arsenal fans "fickle". Some people are just running out of patience, but win lose or draw they are behind the team.
Imagine Chelsea fans (who changed managers 5 times in 2 years) calling out Arsenal.

Yes Arsenal was spoilt with success under Wenger between 98 and 04, and that is why people are becoming impatient. But the club chose to go in a direction that will pay off in the long term.

I see today they going to implement the "home grown" rule and about to rule on requiring clubs to be self sufficient.
Arsenal have been preparing for this.

So yes, like everyone else, we want to win something. But most know that patience is required because decisions were made years ago to move out of Highbury and not sell out to an owner.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on September 15, 2009, 08:33:19 AM

Man does real see them team through Rose coloured glasses we.

What about the booing Lucas get last year from the KOP?

Nah... you can't be serious.



What yuh saying it ok to boo some players  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on September 15, 2009, 09:23:57 AM
I don't understand all this calling Arsenal fans "fickle". Some people are just running out of patience, but win lose or draw they are behind the team.
Imagine Chelsea fans (who changed managers 5 times in 2 years) calling out Arsenal.

Yes Arsenal was spoilt with success under Wenger between 98 and 04, and that is why people are becoming impatient. But the club chose to go in a direction that will pay off in the long term.

I see today they going to implement the "home grown" rule and about to rule on requiring clubs to be self sufficient.
Arsenal have been preparing for this.

So yes, like everyone else, we want to win something. But most know that patience is required because decisions were made years ago to move out of Highbury and not sell out to an owner.

What de f**k dat have to do with the fans and their treatment of the players?!! ::)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on September 15, 2009, 12:46:37 PM
Wenger admits surprise at Adebayor's "animosity"

Arsene Wenger believes Emmanuel Adebayor will one day look back and realise just what he owes to Arsenal Football Club.

The Manchester City striker, who headed to Eastlands in a £25 million summer move, is facing the possibility of an extended ban after being at the centre of two controversial incidents during Saturday's 4-2 Barclays Premier League win over his former club.

The Football Association have charged the Togo international with violent conduct after he struck former team-mate Robin van Persie in the face with his boot, as well as for misconduct after he ran the length of the field to celebrate in front of the visiting Arsenal fans following his goal.

Adebayor, 25, was plucked from relative obscurity at Monaco by Wenger in January 2006. A couple of seasons later, and the 6ft 3ins African was one of the hottest properties in Europe following a 30-goal haul.

Following a summer of speculation over a big-money move to AC Milan, Adebayor agreed a new deal only to then suffer a lack of consistent form amid reports of dressing room unrest before eventually leaving for Eastlands.

Wenger, though, believes in time, Adebayor will come to re-evaluate the role Arsenal played in his development. "My thought is that Emmanuel Adebayor deserves to be charged for what he did,'' reflected Wenger as he spoke to the media ahead of Wednesday night's Champions League Group H opener against Standard Liege in Belgium.

"But I was surprised that there was such animosity in his attitude towards Arsenal because in a few years he will realise that Arsenal has been great for him. That is why I was deeply surprised and shocked.''

The Gunners boss continued: "Only he can say if he will regret leaving. All I can say is that is life and professional football players move on. In life, the goal is to be objective enough in seeing who helped you and who didn't help you, who had a positive influence on you or not.

"You can sometimes be disappointed in the short term. But still I believe that when you take distance with the events, you always get to the right judgement. I think the longer distance will make Adebayor realise that Arsenal was a very positive influence in his life.''

soccernet.com
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 16, 2009, 04:48:41 AM
Arsène Wenger has backed Robin van Persie’s strongly-worded reaction to the challenge on him by Emmanuel Adebayor at the weekend.
 
During Saturday’s match at Eastlands, the studs of the Manchester City striker connected with the head of his former Arsenal colleague. That evening, the Dutchman issued a statement on Arsenal.com describing the challenge as a “mindless and malicious stamp”.  Speaking ahead of Wednesday’s game at Standard Liege, Wenger gave rock-solid support to Van Persie.
 
“Of course I back him,” said the manager. “In football, everybody is free to have an opinion. If somebody stamps on your head in that way, you wouldn’t say ‘thank you very much, can I turn the other cheek’. Only Jesus Christ did that.”
 
On Tuesday the Football Association charged Adebayor with violent conduct over the incident. By that time Wenger had seen the challenge again on video and he was far from happy.
 
“It looks very bad,” he said. “You ask 100 people, 99 will say it’s very bad and the 100th will be Mark Hughes.
 
“Of course we are disappointed because when you go to the head, you are always scared for people. You never know how it will affect their health.
 
“I think it was a very bad challenge, surprisingly bad and I didn’t expect him to do that. But, for me, the referee should have sent him off for the Fabregas tackle [earlier in the game].”

wenger d boss, taken from arsenal.com
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 16, 2009, 03:35:08 PM
PHEW!

in the words of man utd a few weekends ago! we go take them points and run

after a crazy first 3 minutes arsenal were 2 nil down, thanks to a retarded eduardo backheel at the top of the area from a corner that was promtly smashed past 3rd sting keep manone (almunia chest cold fabianksi knee surgery) and then the slightest of touches from gallas conceeding a penalty

bendtner pull sone back before the half
eduardo equalises
and vermaelen wins it after a dubious ball to hand control by sogn at the far post
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on September 17, 2009, 05:33:40 AM
PHEW!

in the words of man utd a few weekends ago! we go take them points and run

after a crazy first 3 minutes arsenal were 2 nil down, thanks to a retarded eduardo backheel at the top of the area from a corner that was promtly smashed past 3rd sting keep manone (almunia chest cold fabianksi knee surgery) and then the slightest of touches from gallas conceeding a penalty

bendtner pull sone back before the half
eduardo equalises
and vermaelen wins it after a dubious ball to hand control by sogn at the far post


Vermaelen equalise. Then he had a backheel from around the penalty spot cleared off the line (not bad for a CB).
Eduardo scored the winner from close range with his knee.

Good to see Ramsey and Wilshere get a lil run out.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 17, 2009, 06:37:21 AM
In the two defeats against Manchester City and Manchester United we really only have ourselves to blame. Look at the goals against United. A penalty given away by a keeper who I have never been convinced of since the 2006 Champions League final. The second was an inexplicable freak own goal by Diaby. Before that United hadn't had a sniff at goal.

It was the same thing with City. Although they created more chances than United, only our individual mistakes gave them the win. It was exactly the same against Liege. Straight from the kick-off the Belgian side had an enthusiasm and determination only matched by their crowd.

Their reward was to score after two minutes through a Mangala volley. Yet was it really deserved? Any team can run around and pressure players in front of a noisy crowd. The goal didn't come from that though. The goal came from Eduardo failing to clear the ball, and instead tried a fancy flick just outside the 18-yard box. This was no young gun. This was an experienced international, so hold those of you who are quick to blame any mistakes on the young players.

The second goal was again down to a mistake by an experienced player. Whether you think the penalty was rightly given doesn't matter. There was no real danger, nothing we couldn't deal with but William Gallas, another experienced international, was to blame.

Now this where me opinion and many others differ. I think it's a good sign that the mistakes were all Liege really had at scoring. Through the whole game they didn't have clear-cut chance to score, only a few measly strikes from outside the box. My point is that when we cut out the mistakes, what do the other teams do? Every team we've played has had to rely on our mistakes to score and that is a dangerous way to play.

Now I don't say we will keep making mistakes every game and they will be punished. Players make mistakes every game, but not like the ones we've seen against Liege and the Manchester teams. I seriously doubt Abou Diaby will score an own goal like that again. I seriously doubt Eduardo will try that flick again, or anything similar to it.

Another great thing that struck me against Liege was the maturity, patience and intelligence of the Arsenal players. Many on the site have been criticising Francesc Fabregas for being lazy and uninspired. Maybe he was playing a controlled game. Saving energy while Liege wasted theirs.

There is only so much chasing and pressing a team can do before they slip-up mentally or physically. That's exactly what happened on the 45th minute mark. A great run by Emmanuel Eboue led to him slipping a through ball to Nicklas Bendther whose defender allowed him to much time and space. Bendther managed to hit the ball through the keepers legs. The goal came from consistent movement and interchange of the ball, wearing down the Liege players physically and mentally.

Now it might sound like a contradiction for Arsenal to wait for the other team to make a mistake, but here is where the difference lies. Arsenal force the opposition to make mistakes. It's not like Liege passed the ball around well waiting for us to make a mistake. They charged forward in front of their noisy crowd and got lucky. Manchester United certainly got lucky against us.

The second half of the Liege game started off in similar fashion as the first. Apart from another Arsenal mistake, which nearly resulted in a goal, we dominated.

It wasn't until the 76th minute when Fabregas finally hit a good free kick did Arsenal finally equalise. Now I have defended Fabregas' overall play from people who think they know his mental state or even his game. However, the Spaniard only hit one good free kick.

The goal itself was lucky but the result was still the same. Fabregas' free-kick to the back post fell to Song in an offside position. He managed to squirm the ball (under suspicions of handball) to Thomas Vermaelen who put the ball away.

All momentum was with Arsenal at this point and we nearly took the lead after Fabregas slipped a ball to Eduardo put the keeper made a great save. Eduardo was not to be denied, and from a corner the ball somehow found it was to him on the 6 yard box and he made no mistake about finishing.

So we had come from two goals down to win and still didn't get the plaudits, yet Liege who threw away a two goal lead got praised. The commentator said Liege were playing fantastically and wouldn't be surprised if they won by 5 goals.

Why? They didn't create anything. They certainly didn't play well. They just defended and got lucky. Arsenal on the other hand tried to play football. For 90 minutes we passed and moved, did the right things and got criticised. By doing the right things we will force any team into making mistakes. The teams we faced didn't do the right things. We did the wrong things. If we can eradicate these I truly believe we will then be strong title contenders.

Now there might be some doom and gloom around Arsenal and their title hopes at the moment but let's look at the competition. Chelsea cannot sign anybody until 2011. With the African Nations Cup coming up, alongside their ageing squad, injuries and depletion will determine how well they fare. Here's a thought. What if Anelka gets injured while Drogba is away? They can't sign anyone. Manchester and Liverpool are in the same boat. We've proved we can cope without Fabregas, or Andrey Arshavin, or Robin van Persie. They haven't proved they can cope without Rooney, or Torres or Gerrard. Liverpool will falter with both of them playing anyway.

That just leaves City. I can't actually judge how they will fare this season. It's too early to tell. I am not trying to rely on injuries for Arsenal to succeed but to point out clubs are in a worse position than we are. All I ask is to have some faith in the team and the manager. Trust in the team and I have no doubt we can win the league if we cut out our mistakes.


copied from arsenal-mania.com
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on September 17, 2009, 10:11:49 AM
No mention of the dive?  No hue and outcry?

Surprising.  Then again Song pull it back with ah tief goal too.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: triniairman on September 17, 2009, 11:37:27 AM
No mention of the dive?  No hue and outcry?

Surprising.  Then again Song pull it back with ah tief goal too.
That was rell bull, that they got that goal. I don't like the way they won, but at the end of the day, I want the English clubs to do well in CL.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on September 17, 2009, 11:47:27 AM
No mention of the dive?  No hue and outcry?

Surprising.  Then again Song pull it back with ah tief goal too.
That was rell bull, that they got that goal. I don't like the way they won, but at the end of the day, I want the English clubs to do well in CL.

Turnabout is fair play... Jovanovic dive was clear as day.  Gallas never touched him.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 18, 2009, 06:18:49 AM
wigan tomorrow morning
we will see if we settle and get the 3 points and back on track
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on September 18, 2009, 06:40:33 AM
wigan tomorrow morning
we will see if we settle and get the 3 points and back on track


scotty bussing allyuh net to make allyuh drop points  :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on September 18, 2009, 07:01:46 AM
Arsenal have to send a strong message to certain players. Clichy, Eboue and Diaby all had poor games. Ok Diaby set up the goal off a clever run & pass but other than that he lost the ball far too often in midfield. Clichy like he have tabanca because his mind not on the game & he seems to be getting pushed around. Eboue is certainly a right back and the experimenting is over, he is a sub for Sanga. Wilshire & Nasri for that wide right position.

Arsenal caused their own problems against Standard L and if it were any other team they would not have found their way back. They basically had two chances and a half chance and scored 3
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 18, 2009, 08:17:01 PM
yeah boy i find clichy sub par so far this season
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on September 19, 2009, 08:33:54 AM
I now see Spike Lee in the stands in the Emirates.
Arsenal not winning anything for a long time.
He go jinx allyuh just like the Knicks
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on September 19, 2009, 08:42:29 AM
I now see Spike Lee in the stands in the Emirates.
Arsenal not winning anything for a long time.
He go jinx allyuh just like the Knicks

nah man- ease up the fella....arsenal eh win notting long time now
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on September 19, 2009, 08:49:07 AM
Wigan looking like this year's version of Newcastle. Damn Van Persie does thro!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 19, 2009, 05:11:41 PM
van persie needs a partner up front, but defenders have to close him or its trouble, that frees up space for the wings and midfeild

i still nto totally sold on the 4 3 3

decent game but low gear for arsenal, at least manonne had a clean sheet, vermaelen was a monster, i see him as arsenal captain some time, esp if cesc goes barca
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on September 19, 2009, 07:20:55 PM
good to see they beating up the weaker teams. 4-1. 6-1. 4-0.
arsenal have a habit of dropping points against teams low in the table so this is a good sign.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on September 19, 2009, 07:54:16 PM
What a soap oprea!


ADEBAYOR ROW STARTED OVER BOOTS
City striker will drag Van Persie into FA fight
 
 
By Neil Ashton, 19/09/2009

EMMANUEL ADEBAYOR'S feud with Robin van Persie began last season when he walked off with his strike partner's boots.
And the disgraced Adebayor will add insult to injury by dragging Van Persie into his battle with the FA.

The City striker was banned for three matches for raking Dutchman Van Persie's face with his studs during last week's explosive clash with Arsenal.

But the roots of their confrontation stretch back to the final day of last season when Adebayor scooped up boots and kit from the Arsenal dressing room.

The former Gunners striker walked into the home changing room at the Emirates with a bin liner and filled it with the boots of first team players.

Van Persie, who had scored twice in a 4-1 win against Stoke and intended to give his boots to friends as a momento, was livid.

He was stunned when a kitman told him that Adebayor had taken all the players' boots before leaving the Emirates for the last time.

Arsenal confirmed last night that Adebayor, who missed the game through injury, had taken the boots of several players.

A club official said: "Adebayor took all the boots from the dressing room without permission.

"He swept the dressing room."

Van Persie, along with skipper Cesc Fabregas and other Arsenal stars were told about the amazing incident by the kit men. By then Adebayor had already left the stadium with the boots and other items of kit that he had picked up off the dressing room floor.

Arsenal's backroom staff witnessed the extraordinary scenes, but were powerless to act.

And an Arsenal source said: "Normally at the end of the season players give their boots away to friends, family or a charity, but they couldn't because Ade had taken the lot.

"We never saw him - or the boots - again.

"Robin was going mad. They couldn't believe a team-mate earning £80,000 a week would do that."

When quizzed about the incident, Adebayor's agent Stephane Courbis claimed last night: "At the end of the season it is usual for players to take the materials they will not be using any more.

"A lot of African players take kit back to their country because the facilities and conditions in Africa are not the same as they are in England."

Meanwhile Adebayor has not finished with Van Persie yet.

The Togo international plans to put his ex-team-mate in the dock when his improper conduct charge for provocative goal celebrations in front of the Arsenal fans at Eastland's, is heard by the FA.

The City striker is putting together a DVD package of controversial goal celebrations ahead of his hearing.

Van Persie ran to the crowd after equalising for Arsenal in their 4-2 defeat at City last weekend, and was alleged to have mouthed obscenities at City supporters.

The Dutch striker has not been charged by the FA and also escaped punishment following his scathing statement about his former strike partner.

Adebayor will point out that he did not leave the field of play when he ran nearly 90 yards to celebrate in front of Arsenal fans after scoring City's third.

The City striker has been banned for three games - including today's Manchester derby at Old Trafford - following the raking incident with van Persie.

And as they club attempt to ensure their star striker won't face further sanction, they have trawled through the archives for evidence and discovered a similar incident involving Thierry Henry and Tottenham supporters.

Eagle-eyed City chiefs have footage of the former Arsenal striker scoring at Highbury in a North London derby seven years ago, back in November 2002.

Henry then ignored his team-mates' attempts to stop him, running 90 yards up the touchline before sliding to his knees in front of Spurs supporters in the Clock End.

Henry escaped an FA rap, despite calls from Spurs fans for immediate action, and Adebayor will argue that his own celebration was similar.

The former Arsenal captain has also joined the debate over Adebayor's behaviour and slammed his ex-team-mate's criticism of the Gunners and boss Arsene Wenger.

Henry said: "You have to remember - no matter where you end up in life - the people who helped make you along the way and gave you the chance.

"I won the treble with Barcelona last year, but I know if it wasn't for Arsene and Arsenal I would not be the player I am today.

"I think the same has to be true of Adebayor. He might be one of the world's top strikers today but he wasn't before Arsene got hold of him and gave him that chance.

"When he came from Monaco he wasn't even getting games back in France and then, within two seasons, he was a player who was wanted by a lot of top clubs in Europe.

"Arsene puts a lot of investment in you when he sees talent and I don't think it would hurt for Adebayor to show him, the club and the fans a little more respect.

"The fans at Arsenal were great, they were and always will be my family.

"I never saw them behave badly, so to react like they did at the weekend shows just how angry and upset they were.

"They will you show you love and respect, but like any relationship they will ask for that love and respect back.

"No matter what Adebayor's emotions were he could have earned himself a lot of respect by not celebrating the goal.

"That would have shown real class, and that to be honest is what most players choose to do when they score against their old clubs, and I don't really understand why he didn't do that."


Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 19, 2009, 08:19:28 PM
adebayor is a petualnt child we knew this before during and after his time at arsenal

he never accepts responsibility, always points fingers at others

theres no use arguing ppl will justify anything they do in life to hide from the truth
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on September 21, 2009, 05:25:07 AM
That Henry incident was not similar. Many players celebrate in front of the opposition fans, but he did it to his former club. Henry never played for Spurs.

Well if we don't win anything this year we could always say Adebayor do some obeah with the boots.

(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii320/Arsenal1Again/HenrySoaksUpTheSpursLove.jpg)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bourbon on September 21, 2009, 06:00:50 AM
Ah boy...de drama continues.


And since yuh cyar equate Henry and Ade.....would it have been a problem if he did score in front de arsenal fans?

Cuz ah mean...he and Henry both run bout de full length of de pitch.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 22, 2009, 07:16:44 AM
idiots

compare apples for apples

thierry never played for spurs, cannot draw parallels other than the length of thier runs
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on September 22, 2009, 07:51:21 AM
van persie needs a partner up front, but defenders have to close him or its trouble, that frees up space for the wings and midfeild

i still nto totally sold on the 4 3 3

decent game but low gear for arsenal, at least manonne had a clean sheet, vermaelen was a monster, i see him as arsenal captain some time, esp if cesc goes barca

Not sold on Van Persie as a striker (as I have said before) I would like to see an experiment where he is used wide right, a position where I felt he lookd very dangerous playing for Holland.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on September 22, 2009, 07:52:13 AM
van persie needs a partner up front, but defenders have to close him or its trouble, that frees up space for the wings and midfeild

i still nto totally sold on the 4 3 3

decent game but low gear for arsenal, at least manonne had a clean sheet, vermaelen was a monster, i see him as arsenal captain some time, esp if cesc goes barca
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on September 22, 2009, 07:55:04 AM
Carling Cup tonight against West Brom.

My team :

.................Szczesny................
Eastmond Senderos Silvestre Gibbs
.................Coquelin...................
.....Ramsey................Traore.......
.......Wilshere............Vela .........
..................Watt.....................


Bench: Gilbert, Bartley, Randall, Frimpong, Barazite, Sunu

Merida and Hoyte at the world cup. Vela might not start though, just coming back from injury. Might be Barazite with Vela coming off the bench.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on September 22, 2009, 07:57:37 AM
van persie needs a partner up front, but defenders have to close him or its trouble, that frees up space for the wings and midfeild

i still nto totally sold on the 4 3 3

decent game but low gear for arsenal, at least manonne had a clean sheet, vermaelen was a monster, i see him as arsenal captain some time, esp if cesc goes barca

Not sold on Van Persie as a striker (as I have said before) I would like to see an experiment where he is used wide right, a position where I felt he lookd very dangerous playing for Holland.

That's his best position. In my opinion the experiment is using him centrally.
I say .... Arshavin on the left, Van Persie on the right, and Eduardo central.
Bendtner when you want some physical presence.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bourbon on September 22, 2009, 08:24:10 AM
idiots

compare apples for apples

thierry never played for spurs, cannot draw parallels other than the length of thier runs

Right.

So....if he did score at that end.....and celebrated....wha den?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 22, 2009, 08:58:28 AM
Carling Cup tonight against West Brom.

My team :

.................Szczesny................
Eastmond Senderos Silvestre Gibbs
.................Coquelin...................
.....Ramsey................Traore.......
.......Wilshere............Vela .........
..................Watt.....................


Bench: Gilbert, Bartley, Randall, Frimpong, Barazite, Sunu

Merida and Hoyte at the world cup. Vela might not start though, just coming back from injury. Might be Barazite with Vela coming off the bench.

good call i rate barazite highly, hoping he gets a lil bigger and starts getting into these games as a starter   
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on September 22, 2009, 10:12:08 AM
Rosiky should start in front of Vela. He needs games, plus I like watching him play  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 22, 2009, 11:51:38 AM
Wojciech Szczesny
James Shea
Philippe Senderos
Mikael Silvestre
Kieran Gibbs
Armand Traore
Kerrea Gilbert
Kyle Bartley
Mark Randall
Francis Coquelin
Craig Eastmond
Emmanuel Frimpong
Nacer Barazite
Aaron Ramsey
Gilles Sunu
Jack Wilshere
Carlos Vela
Sanchez Watt

18 man squad for game starts at 245pm
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on September 22, 2009, 01:20:25 PM
Very open game with both teams going at it.
0-0 after 30 mins.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on September 22, 2009, 01:30:42 PM
Very open game with both teams going at it.
0-0 after 30 mins.


38 minutes, still 0-0. former Arsenal player Jerome Thomas sent off for an elbow on Wilshere.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on September 22, 2009, 02:46:52 PM
The Carling cup kids win 2-0
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Blue on September 22, 2009, 02:49:27 PM
The Carling cup kids win 2-0

Were they any good?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on September 22, 2009, 02:54:04 PM
It have to be demoralizing for hardback men to be playing the Arsenal kids and be getting licks.

And while it is good for the youngsters to get real matches in against serious opposition, If i was on the other side, I would look at it like Arsene saying "allyuh is $@#%ithongs".

I had a man tell me that in a lil fetematch indoor league, he like, "why allyuh does come for licks so, and then get vex? allyuh so bad!" I had to explain to him. 1. We come for the lime and the beer. 2. I ent come to get kick up by the likes of you, who will proudly display a trophy from this $%@# league we in, like yuh do something!

um.. went off on a rant there, didn't I?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on September 22, 2009, 03:01:49 PM
The Carling cup kids win 2-0

Were they any good?

Not as dominating as the 6-0 against Sheffield or the 3-0 against Wigan last year.
West Brom was attacking as well and both teams were giving and getting with the Arsenal keeper making some good saves, and Arsenal coming close, hitting the post. Wilshere the main threat.
WBA had a red before half-time.
Vela and Randall come on and make the difference. Two goals, and a few very good penalty shouts.
Barazite had a good shout late on but nothing given.


Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on September 22, 2009, 08:21:24 PM
I heard this story a long time ago but in case you missed it ...

Fanatical about football

 
The Northern Alliance still has not tracked down Osama bin Laden, but one place they are unlikely to find him is at Highbury stadium in London.
Premiership giants Arsenal have barred Bin Laden from the ground after discovering that the terrorist leader is a big fan of the club.

"We've seen the reports in the papers. Clearly he wouldn't be welcome at Highbury in the future," said a club spokesman.


According to revelations in a new biography of the world's most wanted man, Bin Laden became fanatical about the team in the 1990s when he was staying in the capital.

Die-hard Arsenal fans in Highbury's famous Clock End could have possibly once sat next to the man who is blamed for the 11 September terrorist attacks.

Kitted out

Bin Laden was apparently on the terraces as the north London side reached the final of the European Cup Winners Cup.

They progressed with wins over Italian side Torino and French team Paris St Germain.

These were the first games that the well-known face of terror had seen since he had taken an interest in football during kickarounds while growing up in the Middle East.

In the new book Bin Laden: Behind The Mask Of Terror, author Adam Robinson even tells of how the terrorist had become so smitten with the team that he bought a replica shirt for his eldest son.

Whether Bin Laden has his own red and white strip remains unknown, but he certainly he will not be popping back to Highbury's club shop to buy one.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/funny_old_game/1650069.stm

I hear Fidel Castro is also a supporter? And the Queen & Prince Harry.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 22, 2009, 09:22:46 PM
Vela is classsssssssss

wilshire is in the rigth place to become on of englands best

ramsay if he was left footed he'd be called the new giggs (for wales_
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on September 23, 2009, 05:30:02 AM
Vela is classsssssssss

wilshire is in the rigth place to become on of englands best

ramsay if he was left footed he'd be called the new giggs (for wales_
Not too impressed with Ramsey.

Solid but nothing special.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 23, 2009, 06:14:58 AM
Vela is classsssssssss

wilshire is in the rigth place to become on of englands best

ramsay if he was left footed he'd be called the new giggs (for wales_
Not too impressed with Ramsey.

Solid but nothing special.
watch and see
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 23, 2009, 06:16:18 AM
up next "away" to Fulham

interesting match, fulham are strong at home and thier manager has them playing tight, if we take half the chances we have been making we should win this by a few, a long as the back 5 keep focus and concentrate
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on September 23, 2009, 06:30:00 AM
Vela is classsssssssss

wilshire is in the rigth place to become on of englands best

ramsay if he was left footed he'd be called the new giggs (for wales_
Not too impressed with Ramsey.

Solid but nothing special.
watch and see

Ramsey plays like he's a little bit rushed.
He'll be a complete box to box midfielder though.

Coquelin was very good too. He's always been compared to Makalele
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on September 23, 2009, 11:42:08 AM
Not too impressed with Ramsey.

Solid but nothing special.

I am usually not impressed by his performances either.
But then I need to remind myself that he is only 18.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on September 24, 2009, 09:59:35 AM
Whats your best XI *if* everyone is fit?

Aluminium
Sagna Gallas Verm Clichy
Fabregas Song Nasri
Rosicky VanPersie Arshavin

with Theo, Eduardo, Bendtner, Vela, Denilson, Ramsey, Wilshere to rotate the front 6.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on September 24, 2009, 10:33:34 AM
Arsenal celebrates Highbury Square opening

Arsenal Manager Arsène Wenger, together with Club Directors and players from Arsenal’s past and present, today made a memory-filled return to Highbury to celebrate the Official Opening of the Club’s former home as a unique residential development.

After 93 years as a football stadium, Highbury has been converted into over 650 high specification one, two and three bedroom apartments and penthouses, with the development being named ‘Highbury Square’.

The development bears more than a passing resemblance to Highbury Stadium. The apartments have been constructed around the four sides of the old pitch – which has been turned into a wonderful garden area. Construction is now fully completed, with the development already being occupied by residents.

Over 100 invited guests, including current players Robin van Persie and Gael Clichy, together with Arsenal Legends including George Graham, David O’Leary, Frank McLintock, Arthur Shaw, Bob Wilson, John Radford, Eddie Kelly, Kenny Sansom, Perry Groves and Martin Keown, attended the ceremony, which took place on a specially constructed stage positioned on the site of the old Highbury pitch.

Arsenal Chairman Peter Hill-Wood said: “I would just like to congratulate the entire project team on what has been an absolutely marvellous job they have done in the construction and redevelopment of Highbury Square.

“Our wish for the development was always to retain more than a passing resemblance to Highbury Stadium and to respect its class and heritage. With the apartments being constructed in the same location as the four old stands and the pitch being converted into a wonderful garden area, we are delighted that we have achieved our goal. Although Highbury as a football stadium is now gone, Highbury Square has ensured that our old home will never be forgotten.”

Arsenal Manager Arsène Wenger said: “Coming back to Highbury has filled me with so many great memories of our time here. Highbury was a very special football stadium and I feel honoured to have been part of this great place. Full credit has to go the project team, who have done an amazing job in retaining Highbury’s class and characteristics. The people living here are very lucky.”

Highbury was Arsenal’s home from 1913 until May 2006, when the Club moved to its new 60,000 capacity Emirates Stadium. As soon as the Club left Highbury, the old stadium was partially demolished and redeveloped.

The Art Deco façades of Highbury’s old Grade II-Listed East Stand, with its famous Marble Hall, and the locally-listed West Stand have been preserved, in order to retain the iconic status of the site. The North and South Stands have been replaced by new-build apartments designed in a contemporary style to harmonise with the East and West Stands.

Paying tribute to the football terraces’ original rectangular arrangement, the apartments face inwards towards a central garden square, occupying the exact dimensions of the former pitch, which is the focal point of the development.

Residents of Highbury Square will have access to a full range of amenities including a fitness centre, 24-hour concierge service and underground car parking. All apartments have access to the old two-acre Highbury pitch, which has been converted into a private garden square. The apartments are three tube stops from King’s Cross St. Pancras, which serves the Eurostar to Paris and Brussels.

The project also includes over 70 apartments that are shared equity/affordable housing, and also includes apartments that have been designed for disabled and wheelchair occupancy, and there is now only limited availability on all apartments in the development.

Further information on the limited available apartments can be found at www.highburysquare.com or by calling 0845 262 6000.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on September 24, 2009, 01:13:19 PM
Not too impressed with Ramsey.

Solid but nothing special.

I am usually not impressed by his performances either.
But then I need to remind myself that he is only 18.

I agree. I'm definitely not writing him off. He has time and room to improve.

I just don't see what he has over some of the other youngsters yet. In one of the Manchester games he was brought on and we needed to score. Wilshire was on the bench and I think he would have been a better option offensively.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on September 24, 2009, 03:17:13 PM
Whats your best XI *if* everyone is fit?

Aluminium
Sagna Gallas Verm Clichy
Fabregas Song Nasri
Rosicky VanPersie Arshavin

with Theo, Eduardo, Bendtner, Vela, Denilson, Ramsey, Wilshere to rotate the front 6.

In the current formation ...

        Aluminium  ;D
Sagna Gallas Verm Clichy
     Rosicky   Fabregas 
            Diaby
 Arshavin        v Persie
          Eduardo
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 24, 2009, 11:08:18 PM
Whats your best XI *if* everyone is fit?

Aluminium
Sagna Gallas Verm Clichy
Fabregas Song Nasri
Rosicky VanPersie Arshavin

with Theo, Eduardo, Bendtner, Vela, Denilson, Ramsey, Wilshere to rotate the front 6.

In the current formation ...

        Aluminium  ;D
Sagna Gallas Verm Clichy
     Rosicky   Fabregas 
            Diaby
 Arshavin        v Persie
          Eduardo
not bad but what about nasri?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on September 25, 2009, 01:15:07 PM
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=679539&sec=england&cc=3888

Gunners voted for but oppose quotas

Arsenal chairman Peter Hill-Wood has revealed his club voted in favour of the Premier League's quota system even though the North London giants are vehemently opposed to the plan.

The Gunners' Old Etonian chairman gave a compelling full scale interview to ESPN soccernet, discussing all the major issues in football and explained why Arsenal said "yes" to quotas, when they would have preferred to have said "no".

On the eve of ESPN's live televised match at Fulham on Saturday evening, Hill-Wood dissected the big issues in football; the first chairman to openly debate quotas and the impending financial restrictions the Premier League are planning to introduce next.

On quotas Hill-Wood said: "Arsenal voted for it, but we are against it. We are opposed to restrictions of any sort on young players, as we are not quite sure who these restrictions would help.

"I am not sure that we should be forcing youngsters, whether they are 16, 18 or 21, into doing anything they don't want to. It's a free world, and I believe in a free market. Let's face it, if they don't like it they up sticks and go.

"We voted in favour of the quotas because it appeared that is what the majority of the clubs wanted and we went along with it. We feel that we should support the majority, rather than rebel against them.

"To be perfectly truthful, I don't anticipate that the quota system will be particularly harmful to any of the clubs. I don't actually think it is achieving a great deal."

On financial controls on clubs, Hill Wood said: "Again, this is about a free market in which I am in favour. So, if someone wants to come along and put £200 million down on the table to buy a football club, that's fine, if that's what they want to do.

"I am, though, against saddling a club with huge amounts of debt. That is not clever, and not the way I see football clubs being run. That's not to say we don't have a big debt, of course we do, but the debt was incurred to build a new stadium and we have a 25 year bond with a fixed rate of interest and we are paying off that debt over 25 years and living within our means. I don't consider that irresponsible, it is an asset for the club and the stadium produces much larger revenues for us."

As the longest serving and one of the most respected chairmen in football, Hill-Wood has a heartfelt wish for the future of the game. "I wish that everyone would behave responsibly." He added with a wry smile: "Perhaps that is a forlorn hope!"

He went on: "The Premier League want to bring in some form of financial discipline. It is not easy. I am afraid I do not have a magic wand to solve all the problems. But we do need financial responsibility in football, and the best discipline is self discipline."

Hill-Wood remains a pillar of the game in this country, and he observes: "We have seen colossal changes to the game over the past 15 years, generally changes for the good. Football has become an entertainment business, and the football played in this country, on the whole is highly entertaining, some of it is a bit dour. Standards are very high, though, but there are some issues I don't approve of.

"On the positive side, though, overall the standards are a great deal higher than they were 20 years ago, and largely that is due to the influx of the best players from around the world and they have undoubtedly provided much of the spectacle.

"There is now an enormous amount of money flashed around. And, yes, it can be good for the game if it is responsibly controlled. By that I mean the use of it is responsible - and in certain circumstances it is probably not.

"Some clubs are not run on a sensible, sustainable business, and that is inclined to end in tears. I am not naming names, but we all know who we are talking about, it is obvious.

"For example, Arab money has poured into Manchester City, and so from Manchester City's point of view they are not going to complain, and for the rest of football it is good that there is another club able to compete for a place in the top three or four.

"But in the final analysis, it is about the Premier League putting into place controls that are absolutely right, otherwise they would lead to all sorts of problems. Laws can have unintentional consequences.

"It might sound like a good idea to have financial controls, but they must be very carefully thought out to make them work. They could end up doing more harm than good if people are only interested in getting round them. That is why I advocate self discipline.

"I am not blowing my own trumpet here, but we do run our club on the right business lines, perhaps we have no other option. However, I doubt whether we would do it any other way, not while I am around at least. It is not in my nature, nor is it in the nature of anyone else at the club. I am reluctant to sound that presumptuous but we do run a sensible, sustainable business.

"I have said it many times, we have no intention of spending £50m, £80m on a player. We cannot afford it. We do buy players and we pay them very well, jolly well, although perhaps not as well as some in the game where it has just gone crazy.

"Fans do have greater expectations and they do want everything; they would like us to spend buckets of money, but they would be very upset if we went bankrupt, and let's face it a couple of big name clubs have been hovering on the brink of administration in recent weeks.

"You cannot have it every way, and I know we do take some fair share of criticism for the way we operate and behave, but so be it. It's a question of finding the right formula that works."
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on September 25, 2009, 01:22:17 PM
We voted for it, but we're against it?

John Kerry running Arsenal?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on September 26, 2009, 03:55:55 PM
Watching the Gunners its obvious that this squad needs serious strengthening. First to begin if they depending on Bendtner they in trouble, he is not a prolific goal scorer and neither is Van Persie. Both may contribute, but neither can be considered goal scorers. Van P took his goal well today, but it was literally his only chance. Arsenal also do not look threatening from set plays, Van P is not lethal in that department either (very one dimensional). Today Fulham created more chances than Arsenal and were stalled by excellent goalkeeping and unlucky not to come away with 3 points.

Diaby today gave away every second pass and thanks should go to Song's excellent break up play defending.

Then once Wenger realized his squad was failing to penetrate he left on his love child Bendtner and brough on Eboue. Again someone who cannot win a game for you.

Think of the successful Arsenal teams, Henry scoring consistently, Wiltord & Kanu contributing consistently & the ever dependent Pires and Lundburg to pull you through
with 10+ goals from out wide

All said Arsenal will not win the league with its present squad. Sorry I just don't see it happening! Maybe  a cup is possible with a run though.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 26, 2009, 03:58:46 PM
cesc to rvp GOAL

vito was a monster in goal glad his confidence is rising, second clean sheet in the league vito in goal for both

please keep gallas and vermaelen fit all season

rosicky such a boost to have him on our squad, difference today was arshavin back in squad too dunno if eduardo came on but the points are what matters

bendtner and eboue need to go to finishing school, wasted too many and eboue came on as a sub! (yakubu from everton when at portsmouth 'arry redknap brought in a striking coach to help him learn to finish, think we need the same tell dennis to hurry back and coach these boys)

sagna sublime as always, clichy slowly finding the form of previous seasons cesc building steam imagine arsene headache when nasri comes back?


Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 26, 2009, 04:01:06 PM
Watching the Gunners its obvious that this squad needs serious strengthening. First to begin if they depending on Bendtner they in trouble, he is not a prolific goal scorer and neither is Van Persie. Both may contribute, but neither can be considered goal scorers. Van P took his goal well today, but it was literally his only chance. Arsenal also do not look threatening from set plays, Van P is not lethal in that department either (very one dimensional). Today Fulham created more chances than Arsenal and were stalled by excellent goalkeeping and unlucky not to come away with 3 points.

Diaby today gave away every second pass and thanks should go to Song's excellent break up play defending.

Then once Wenger realized his squad was failing to penetrate he left on his love child Bendtner and brough on Eboue. Again someone who cannot win a game for you.

Think of the successful Arsenal teams, Henry scoring consistently, Wiltord & Kanu contributing consistently & the ever dependent Pires and Lundburg to pull you through
with 10+ goals from out wide

All said Arsenal will not win the league with its present squad. Sorry I just don't see it happening! Maybe  a cup is possible with a run though.

whats your track record as a football pundit???
based on your footballing brains ability to predict the future and insider information of all clubs in the league, who will win this seasons premiership AND the next 3 oh gifted one?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on September 27, 2009, 09:14:25 AM
Watching the Gunners its obvious that this squad needs serious strengthening. First to begin if they depending on Bendtner they in trouble, he is not a prolific goal scorer and neither is Van Persie. Both may contribute, but neither can be considered goal scorers. Van P took his goal well today, but it was literally his only chance. Arsenal also do not look threatening from set plays, Van P is not lethal in that department either (very one dimensional). Today Fulham created more chances than Arsenal and were stalled by excellent goalkeeping and unlucky not to come away with 3 points.

Diaby today gave away every second pass and thanks should go to Song's excellent break up play defending.

Then once Wenger realized his squad was failing to penetrate he left on his love child Bendtner and brough on Eboue. Again someone who cannot win a game for you.

Think of the successful Arsenal teams, Henry scoring consistently, Wiltord & Kanu contributing consistently & the ever dependent Pires and Lundburg to pull you through
with 10+ goals from out wide

All said Arsenal will not win the league with its present squad. Sorry I just don't see it happening! Maybe  a cup is possible with a run though.

whats your track record as a football pundit???
based on your footballing brains ability to predict the future and insider information of all clubs in the league, who will win this seasons premiership AND the next 3 oh gifted one?


  It does amaze me to see how on a forum of regular fans of a sport.....ordinary people that aren't professionals of the sport that they are commenting or giving their opinions on, that anybody on said forum could come out here and be askin' man fuh "credentials" lol! 
So, GunnerStunner, does your track record matter when you givin' your opinion or makin' any prediction jed?! Allyuh good oui!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on September 27, 2009, 09:25:50 AM
Watching the Gunners its obvious that this squad needs serious strengthening. First to begin if they depending on Bendtner they in trouble, he is not a prolific goal scorer and neither is Van Persie. Both may contribute, but neither can be considered goal scorers. Van P took his goal well today, but it was literally his only chance. Arsenal also do not look threatening from set plays, Van P is not lethal in that department either (very one dimensional). Today Fulham created more chances than Arsenal and were stalled by excellent goalkeeping and unlucky not to come away with 3 points.

Diaby today gave away every second pass and thanks should go to Song's excellent break up play defending.

Then once Wenger realized his squad was failing to penetrate he left on his love child Bendtner and brough on Eboue. Again someone who cannot win a game for you.

Think of the successful Arsenal teams, Henry scoring consistently, Wiltord & Kanu contributing consistently & the ever dependent Pires and Lundburg to pull you through
with 10+ goals from out wide

All said Arsenal will not win the league with its present squad. Sorry I just don't see it happening! Maybe  a cup is possible with a run though.

whats your track record as a football pundit???
based on your footballing brains ability to predict the future and insider information of all clubs in the league, who will win this seasons premiership AND the next 3 oh gifted one?

So what is a football pundit? How many times have they been wrong, or right! The fact remains I am stating an opinion as a fan of the game and someone who watches Arsenal objectively. At the end of the season just call 1-800- Observer and we will see if I am right or wrong.
PS: This is a football FORUM is it not. If you want to take it personally, then you have the right to do so.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on September 27, 2009, 10:23:12 AM
So what is a football pundit? How many times have they been wrong, or right! The fact remains I am stating an opinion as a fan of the game and someone who watches Arsenal objectively. At the end of the season just call 1-800- Observer and we will see if I am right or wrong.
PS: This is a football FORUM is it not. If you want to take it personally, then you have the right to do so.

I wish you would just recognize when yuh up against man who really know de game and humble yuhself.  GunnerStunner obviously know he football... and you, what you know?  Is not like you's some kinda coach or sumting.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: onlikecorn on September 27, 2009, 04:42:53 PM
cesc to rvp GOAL

vito was a monster in goal glad his confidence is rising, second clean sheet in the league vito in goal for both

please keep gallas and vermaelen fit all season

rosicky such a boost to have him on our squad, difference today was arshavin back in squad too dunno if eduardo came on but the points are what matters

bendtner and eboue need to go to finishing school, wasted too many and eboue came on as a sub! (yakubu from everton when at portsmouth 'arry redknap brought in a striking coach to help him learn to finish, think we need the same tell dennis to hurry back and coach these boys)

sagna sublime as always, clichy slowly finding the form of previous seasons cesc building steam imagine arsene headache when nasri comes back?





and walcott still to come back too  . . and vela. . who could do ting off de bench . .

this side have potential do do big things buh i still feel dey missin a rock in de holding midfield position . . song and dem too inconsistent fuh my likin . . buh i guess dey wouldnt learn if dey doh play . .

i supportin mih gunners till de end though . .

and big up to mannone in goal . .d eman real geh on . .
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on September 27, 2009, 05:27:35 PM
Watching the Gunners its obvious that this squad needs serious strengthening. First to begin if they depending on Bendtner they in trouble, he is not a prolific goal scorer and neither is Van Persie. Both may contribute, but neither can be considered goal scorers. Van P took his goal well today, but it was literally his only chance. Arsenal also do not look threatening from set plays, Van P is not lethal in that department either (very one dimensional). Today Fulham created more chances than Arsenal and were stalled by excellent goalkeeping and unlucky not to come away with 3 points.

Diaby today gave away every second pass and thanks should go to Song's excellent break up play defending.

Then once Wenger realized his squad was failing to penetrate he left on his love child Bendtner and brough on Eboue. Again someone who cannot win a game for you.

Think of the successful Arsenal teams, Henry scoring consistently, Wiltord & Kanu contributing consistently & the ever dependent Pires and Lundburg to pull you through
with 10+ goals from out wide

All said Arsenal will not win the league with its present squad. Sorry I just don't see it happening! Maybe  a cup is possible with a run though.

Wenger needs to play either Eduardo or Bendtner centrally.
With the current formation, I don't think they looking at one main guy scoring 25 goals with the others in support.
They looking at attacking as a unit and goals coming from all sides ... Van Persie, Eduardo, Bendtner, Arshavin, Cesc, and Rosicky.
But Bendtner is no good on the right, and Diaby needs to go back to the Carling Cup team.

Diaby is the most inconsistent footballer at Arsenal. He has the potential to be great, he has all the skill, close control, but he has one good game, then 5 bad ones.

Nothing more to say about Eboue that hasn't been said before. He is a back-up right back and nothing more.
Bringing him on for a center forward makes no sense unless he was moving into defense, but he was playing up top. Why?
With Vela on the bench?

Arsenal needs another CB that is better than Senderos, Djourou and Silvestre (not hard to find), a world class goalkeeper (Fabianski is good but needs some years), and a defensive midfielder.

I don't think they can challenge over 38 games either, but we'll take it week by week and hope for the best.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 27, 2009, 05:46:58 PM
Arsenal will face Liverpool in the Fourth Round of the Carling Cup.

Arsène Wenger's young Gunners were handed a mouthwatering challenge on Saturday afternoon and will welcome Rafa Benitez's team to Emirates Stadium on October 27 or 28.

Arsenal eased into the Fourth Round with a 2-0 victory over West Bromwich Albion on Tuesday night.

Blackburn Rovers v Peterborough United
Manchester City v Sc**thorpe United
Tottenham Hotspur v Everton
Barnsley v Manchester United
Chelsea v Bolton Wanderers
Sunderland v Aston Villa
Arsenal v Liverpool
Portsmouth v Stoke City
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 28, 2009, 11:45:20 AM
So what is a football pundit? How many times have they been wrong, or right! The fact remains I am stating an opinion as a fan of the game and someone who watches Arsenal objectively. At the end of the season just call 1-800- Observer and we will see if I am right or wrong.
PS: This is a football FORUM is it not. If you want to take it personally, then you have the right to do so.

I wish you would just recognize when yuh up against man who really know de game and humble yuhself.  GunnerStunner obviously know he football... and you, what you know?  Is not like you's some kinda coach or sumting.

the only local coach worth he salt in this country isn't on this forum the other isn't a national, nor on this forum all the rest as pothounds and corbeaux, i wish they would prove me wrong
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bally on September 28, 2009, 05:14:14 PM
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Arsenal showed an increase in turnover and a record profit after tax of £35.2million from results for the year ending May 31.

The turnover of the Gunners' parent holding company, which also has substantial property interests at the Highbury Square development, went up to £313.3million from £223million for the same period last year.

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Arsenal's move to the Emirates Stadium in 2006 - funded by a long-term loan at a fixed interest rate - continues to pay dividends, with matchday revenue increased to £100.1million from £94.6million which was mainly down to progress to the semi-finals of both the Champions League and FA Cup.

Operating profits, before depreciation and player trading, in the football business were up from £59.6million to £62.7million.

The Highbury Square development, meanwhile, remains robust despite the difficult financial climate and falling house prices, with the completion of 208 private apartments bringing in ?88million, while, since the end of the financial year, more units have been sold at the club's former ground.

Arsenal chairman Peter Hill-Wood believes the club are on more than a sound financial footing.

However, the lifelong Gunners fan insisted results on the pitch would also continue to be placed before profit.

"The group's profits have now risen in each of the three years in which Emirates Stadium has been our home. This is excellent news although I should perhaps stress that making and reporting profits is not in itself the primary objective for the directors," Hill-Wood said in his report.

"First and foremost we are supporters of this great football club and, as such, our main goal will always be the achievement of success for Arsenal on the field.

"The group's profitability is important because it is a by-product of running the club as a solvent and successful business, which in turn allows us to maximise the level of investment in the playing staff and in the future development of the club."

Arsenal chief executive Ivan Gazidis added: "Football is a hugely competitive and fast moving business and we must ensure that Arsenal is not just keeping pace but setting the pace, both on and off the field.

"The club is superbly positioned for the future and I am tremendously excited about the opportunities we have ahead of us."

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 28, 2009, 09:40:00 PM
money money money

trophies trophies trophies

comin comin comin

soon soon soon
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 29, 2009, 09:29:38 AM
line up today

             Mannone
Sagna Gallas Vermaelen Clichy
       Diaby Cesc Song
Eduardo Van Persie Arshavin

Rramsey, Wilshire, Eboue, Silvestre, Szczesny, Vela, Rosicky, Gibbs, Watt
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on September 29, 2009, 10:44:24 AM
line up today

             Mannone
Sagna Gallas Vermaelen Clichy
       Diaby Cesc Song
Eduardo Van Persie Arshavin

Rramsey, Wilshire, Eboue, Silvestre, Szczesny, Vela, Rosicky, Gibbs, Watt

You might be right, knowing Wenger.
But please, Rosicky or Ramsey instead of Diaby. And switch Eduardo and RVP.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 29, 2009, 10:48:15 AM
seeing as it is a euro game i bet he has rosicky starting but where do you fit him in? you need two battlers like diaby n song
will be surprised if he starts with rosicky cesc and song in the middle
but you are right rvp will have more room to play if he went wide and eduardo went middle having said that eduardo favours a side of the middle not nessesarily in the striker position
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on September 29, 2009, 11:04:04 AM
seeing as it is a euro game i bet he has rosicky starting but where do you fit him in? you need two battlers like diaby n song
will be surprised if he starts with rosicky cesc and song in the middle
but you are right rvp will have more room to play if he went wide and eduardo went middle having said that eduardo favours a side of the middle not nessesarily in the striker position

I think Eduardo likes to play central. He is a 'fox in the box' Inzaghi type player who gets in the right positions to finish without being too extravagant. Wenger likes his players out of position to 'develop' different aspects of his game, thats why you see Eduardo wide left or left of a front three. If Wenger played his players in their natural positions, Eduardo would be central with RVP right. Same with Bendtner.

Diaby is strong, but doesn't offer much defensively. And in the past few games I've seen him as a liability. On the other hand, he has one good game in 5, so tonight might be where he is due a good one.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on September 29, 2009, 12:19:11 PM
Mannone
Eboue Gallas Vermaelen Clichy
Cesc Song Diaby
Rosicky VanPersie Arshavin

Not bad. But I rather Rosicky in midfield instead of Diaby, and Eduardo starting.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 29, 2009, 01:07:40 PM
Mannone
Eboue Gallas Vermaelen Clichy
Cesc Song Diaby
Rosicky VanPersie Arshavin
Not bad. But I rather Rosicky in midfield instead of Diaby, and Eduardo starting.
wtf why is eduardo on the bench??? please say rvp comes off for him? damnit eduardo needs more games, so does vela
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 29, 2009, 01:10:52 PM
in the 20th minute we have 6 shots to olympiakos nil and with 78% possession
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on September 29, 2009, 01:19:09 PM
in the 20th minute we have 6 shots to olympiakos nil and with 78% possession

Arsenal is utterly dominating this game
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 29, 2009, 01:46:12 PM
wtf??
14 to 2 shots and we cyar score?? 70% poessesion??? why eboue start?? lord help me
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on September 29, 2009, 10:04:54 PM
22 shots to 6.
Arshavin goal was francoment offside though.

IMHO the goalie Nikopolidis is MOM in a losing effort.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 30, 2009, 08:18:25 AM
i got MOM in university

as goalie, we lost 4-3, i must have stopped about 30 shots per half, also broke my finger in the first 5min of the game, played on as i thought it was sprained
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bourbon on September 30, 2009, 09:33:08 AM
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01491/bendtner_1491168c.jpg)


The Danish international is understood to have sustained cuts to his knee and pains in his shoulder after he was involved in an accident as he was driving his Aston Martin to training at the weekend.

With his striker unable to complete a full training session, Arsene Wenger confirmed Bendtner will not feature in Arsenal's Champions League clash against Olympiakos tonight.

 More Here  (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/arsenal/6242099/Nicklas-Bendtner-car-crash-photo-Arsenal-strikers-lucky-escape.html)

This makes this even more funny.....

(http://www.studs-up.com/comics/2009-09-16.jpg)

(http://www.studs-up.com/comics/2009-09-30.jpg)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 30, 2009, 10:07:59 AM
too funny
i don't think adebayor drives, he is driven because he see's himself as a king
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bourbon on September 30, 2009, 10:29:55 AM
(http://www.studs-up.com/comics/2009-09-18.jpg)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 30, 2009, 12:59:32 PM
where you getting these things bro?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bourbon on September 30, 2009, 04:31:47 PM
where you getting these things bro?

http://www.studs-up.com/
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on October 01, 2009, 05:51:21 AM
How the Frenchman revolutionised Arsenal on and off the pitchWenger is appointed as Arsenal boss

 Club breaks with tradition to appoint first overseas manager in September 1996

Club goalscoring records tumble
 Ian Wright eclipses Cliff Bastin in 1997... then Thierry Henry beats them both

Wenger completes his first Double
 Frenchman brings instant success to Highbury with League and Cup in first full season

Double Double - Wenger does it again
 Chelsea are beaten in Cup Final before the title is sealed in style at Old Trafford

The 2004 Invincibles
 'We won the League at White Hart Lane'... Wenger's wonders rewrite history books

Farewell to Highbury
 Club says goodbye to spiritual home after 93 years at the famous old stadium

Club moves to Emirates Stadium
 A new chapter opens as Arsenal move to a new state-of-the-art stadium

Arsenal play in European Cup Final
 Late goals deny 10-man Gunners in Paris after Sol Campbell's first-half header
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on October 01, 2009, 10:09:37 AM
Arsenal legend Thierry Henry has reserved special praise for Arsene Wenger after he became the club's longest serving manager.

On Thursday the French manager officially surpassed George Allison's 4,748-day record set 60 years ago after 13 years at the helm.

Henry insists Wenger has transformed Arsenal during his time at the club, changing them from a boring side into an attractive team to watch.

The striker thoroughly enjoyed his time with Arsenal and believes he could never imagine the club being without their French manager.

Tremendous
"Arsene has been tremendous for Arsenal football club," he told Sky Sports News. "He's done tremendously well.

"I'll never forget the club or him. He's been at Arsenal for 13 years. What a tremendous achievement. I don't see Arsenal without Arsene Wenger.

"I couldn't see Arsenal leaving Highbury, but it happened. I hope it will never happen for Arsene.

"He's the type of guy that you'd always associate with Arsenal, like Tony Adams, Ian Wright, Patrick Vieira and Bob Wilson.

"Arsenal was well known for being a boring team and he's changed that as soon as he arrived with the style of play and trophies we won.

"He didn't have to convince me too much to come to play for Arsenal because that's what I wanted to do. I wanted to play for Arsenal full stop.

"I won't lie, it also helped that he was there. The best advice he gave me was, 'try to stop blaming others and try to see what you can do to help others'."

Henry was brought to the Gunners by Wenger in 1999 and he scored 174 goals for the North Londoners before joining Barcelona two years ago.

He was already a France international before moving, however, he was playing out wide for Juventus - something Wenger quickly altered.

Henry insists Wenger's man-management skills are among his best traits and that he comes into his own when it comes to getting the best out of his players.


Winger to striker
"He knew me from Monaco's youth-team. He saw me playing as a centre forward. He couldn't understand why I was playing as a winger," he added.

"I was already in the France squad and doing my thing on the left, he said to me, 'I don't want you playing on the left, you're wasting your time and you have to play through the middle'.

"He's the type of guy that makes you realise that you can do anything you want. Whenever a player comes to play for Arsenal they suddenly become better. I don't know why or how?

"He will let you do what you have to do when he knows that it is the time to let you play and on another side when he has to talk with you and be honest he will always do it.

"The most important thing is it is a pleasure to play under him and to train with him because he wants his team to play football. He's a great human being on top of everything."

Henry is being tipped to return to Arsenal in the future but, while he concedes he would love to return to the club, he currently cannot envisage in what capacity.

"I'd maybe watch a game or something like that. I really don't know. I'm trying to finish what I started 15 years ago," he said.

"I've always said you go back to where you belong. I've never stopped saying that I love Arsenal and I'll one day go back there. How? I don't know, maybe a waterboy.

"I just love the club and one day I'll go back. I'm not thinking about it right now."


SKY
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on October 01, 2009, 12:34:46 PM
So .... Theo Walcott is available, Nasri and Fabianski ready for training by the international break.
Eduardo aggravated a slight injury midweek and is out for the weekend. Should be fine after that.
Almunia is still suffering from his "chest infection"

Players coming back, hopefully we don't lose anyone during the internationals.
Now if only Cesc plays at his best and stop looking like one eye in Barcelona.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on October 02, 2009, 02:39:49 PM
With Rosiky back and Arshavin also it would be nice to see Wenger experiment with Walcott upfront. Arsenal if they do that will scare teams on the counter. Wenger should try the same thing he did with Henry.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: palos on October 02, 2009, 03:07:49 PM
With Rosiky back and Arshavin also it would be nice to see Wenger experiment with Walcott upfront. Arsenal if they do that will scare teams on the counter. Wenger should try the same thing he did with Henry.

The querstion is....why he holdin back Wilshire for?

He fraid he buss out big on de stage and one a dem clubs come and buy he?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on October 04, 2009, 07:27:28 AM
Great game so far.
Blackburn score inside 5 minutes
Vermaelen with a left footer from outside the box
Blackburn take the lead again via a deflection
Cesc to Van Persie - Goal
Cesc to Arshavin - Goal

Cesc with 3 shots saved so far, and hit the crossbar. Arshavin and Rosicky swaping positions.
Half Time 3-2 to the Arsenal.

Henry looked pleased with that goal by the new CB
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on October 04, 2009, 07:44:24 AM
That was a penalty.
Arsenal get away there.
In truth, Dunn should have passed it to the wide open man on the left.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Peong on October 04, 2009, 08:06:24 AM
Fabregas : 1 g0al, 3 assists, AND I DON'T HAVE HIM IN MY FF SIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   #@&#@&*!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on October 04, 2009, 08:27:21 AM
Blackburn:
Up 2-1 in the first half. Lose 6-2
Hard luck dey.
It should have been 3-3 at the start of the 2nd. Clear penalty denied. But that is how it does go vs the big 4 (6).
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on October 04, 2009, 08:33:46 AM
Good for Theo to come on a get a goal too, and great goal from the so called "shithong" Bendtner
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: capodetutticapi on October 04, 2009, 01:27:38 PM
6 different scorers today,impressive.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on October 15, 2009, 10:21:31 AM
ok been out for a while

bring on the Birmingham at home followed by champs league away

with theo back, samir close to coming back we have a glut of attacking mid feilders, but no one to replace song except for denilson when song goes to ACON in January, which as we know is a key point in the league and upcoming champs league run in

also stan kroenke is 1% away from acquiring the necessary % of shares to make a formal take over bid, also red and white holdings (russian dude and former vice pres david dien) are 4% from same % needed

i say the future is very bright, would be sweetened by the acquisition of a trophy or two or three
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on October 17, 2009, 11:04:53 AM
whoop whoop
3 points and a game in hand, roll on the Gooners
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on October 19, 2009, 05:41:17 AM
Wenger - Fans' Taylor chant was 'atrocious'  

Birmingham fans who chanted Martin Taylor's name during Saturday's game have been branded as "stupid" by Arsène Wenger.

Seven minutes were on the clock at Emirates Stadium when Liam Ridgewell felled Theo Walcott with a full-blooded challenge which won the ball but took the man as well. As Walcott writhed in agony on the turf, visiting supporters sang 'One Martin Taylor...' in reference to the Birmingham defender whose tackle shattered Eduardo's leg and ankle in February 2008.

The Birmingham fans seemed to take pleasure in watching another Arsenal man suffering at the hands of a Blues defender and Wenger condemned their chants when he spoke to reporters after the match.

"That was frankly atrocious," he said. "They [the Birmingham fans] will not be remembered for the quality of their taste with that kind of remark.

“I didn’t say a word [when I heard the chant], I just thought 'that’s low'.

“Eduardo was here for the game. I  don’t know how he felt about the chants. I just put that in the ranks of stupidity, you want to forget about it and not talk too much about it because there’s not a lot to say.

“With people like that, one starts to say something stupid, everybody follows, even intelligent people. People lose their identity together, and their sense of responsibility."
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on October 19, 2009, 06:09:11 AM
Good Clichy interview

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/arsenal/article6879305.ece

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on October 19, 2009, 07:01:34 AM
Wenger - Fans' Taylor chant was 'atrocious'  

Birmingham fans who chanted Martin Taylor's name during Saturday's game have been branded as "stupid" by Arsène Wenger.

Seven minutes were on the clock at Emirates Stadium when Liam Ridgewell felled Theo Walcott with a full-blooded challenge which won the ball but took the man as well. As Walcott writhed in agony on the turf, visiting supporters sang 'One Martin Taylor...' in reference to the Birmingham defender whose tackle shattered Eduardo's leg and ankle in February 2008.

The Birmingham fans seemed to take pleasure in watching another Arsenal man suffering at the hands of a Blues defender and Wenger condemned their chants when he spoke to reporters after the match.

"That was frankly atrocious," he said. "They [the Birmingham fans] will not be remembered for the quality of their taste with that kind of remark.

“I didn’t say a word [when I heard the chant], I just thought 'that’s low'.

“Eduardo was here for the game. I  don’t know how he felt about the chants. I just put that in the ranks of stupidity, you want to forget about it and not talk too much about it because there’s not a lot to say.

“With people like that, one starts to say something stupid, everybody follows, even intelligent people. People lose their identity together, and their sense of responsibility."


is still want to know the chants arsenal fans threw at adebayor and isn't it funny the fans had nothing but respect for kolo?

respect is earnt, you also gotta show respect to get it and ade showed none

as for birmingham fans, what you expect from a midlands team with tons of low class whites as supporters? stems from lack of education and misplaced self importance above others
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on October 22, 2009, 06:58:48 AM
1) [Upon being asked what he does with his spare time] "I watch football."

2) "I tried to watch the Tottenham match on television in my hotel yesterday, but I fell asleep."

3) "When I first came to Arsenal, I realised the back four were all university graduates in the art of defending. As for Tony Adams, I consider him to be a doctor of defence. He is simply outstanding."

4) [On the qualities of Dennis Bergkamp] "Intelligence and class. Class is of course, most of the time linked to what you can do with the ball, but the intelligence makes you use the technique in an efficient way. It's like somebody who has a big vocabulary but he doesn't say intelligent words, and somebody who has a big vocabulary but he can talk intelligently, and that's what Dennis is all about. What he does, there's always a head and always a brain. And his technique allows him to do what he sees, and what he decides to do."

5) [After the Arsenal fans booed a 1-1 draw with Middlesbrough in November 1998] "If you eat caviar every day it's difficult to return to sausages."

6) "A company works best when everybody does the job he is paid to do."

7) "Sometimes now, when I watch continental games on television, I'm a bit bored. I'm thinking: 'Where is the intensity?'"

8) [In 2003] "It's not impossible. I know it will be difficult for us to go through the season unbeaten. But if we keep the right attitude it's possible we can do it."

9) [On Jose Mourinho after the then Chelsea boss accused him of being a voyeur] "He's out of order, disconnected with reality and disrespectful. When you give success to stupid people, it makes them more stupid sometimes and not more intelligent."

10) "A football team is like a beautiful woman. When you do not tell her, she forgets she is beautiful."

11) [In response to Sepp Blatter's accusation that big clubs were guilty of 'child slavery] "If you have a child who is a good musician, what is your first reaction? It is to put them into a good music school, not in an average one. So why should that not happen in football?"

12) [After the departure of Sol Campbell to Portsmouth] "It is a big surprise to me because he cancelled his contract to go abroad. Have you sold Portsmouth to a foreign country?"

13) "I believe the target of anything in life should be to do it so well that it becomes an art. When you read some books they are fantastic, the writer touches something in you that you know you would not have brought out of yourself. He makes you discover something interesting in your life. If you are living like an animal, what is the point of living? What makes daily life interesting is that we try to transform it to something that is close to art. And football is like that. When I watch Barcelona, it is art."

14) "When you represent a club it's about values and qualities, not about passports."

15) "If I go into a season and I say, 'For fu*k's sake, if we don't win anything, they will all leave,' I have already lost. The problem of the media is always to imagine the worst. The problem of the manager is always to imagine the best."

16) [After the success of the Great Britain team at the Olympics] "I didn't know the English were good at swimming. I have been in this country for 12 years and I haven't seen a swimming pool."

17) "The biggest things in life have been achieved by people who, at the start, we would have judged crazy. And yet if they had not had these crazy ideas the world would have been more stupid."

18) "There is no better psychological education than growing up in a pub when you are five or six because you meet all different people and hear how cruel they can be. You hear the way they talk to each other like saying 'You're a liar.' And from an early age you get a practical psychological education into the minds of people."

19) "I started at 33 as a manager and sometimes I felt I wouldn't survive. Physically I was sick."

20) "Politically, I am for efficiency. Economically first. Until the 1980s the world was divided into two, people were either communist or capitalist. The communist model does not work economically, we all realised that, but the capitalist model in the modern world also looks to be unsustainable. You cannot ignore individual interests, but I believe the world evolves slowly. The last 30 years have brought a minimum amount of money for everybody in the west, the next step, politically, would be a maximum amount of money earned by everybody."

21) "As long as no-one scored, it was always going to be close."

22) "If I asked you who was the best team in the world you would say Brazil. And do they play good football? Yes. Which club won everything last year? Barcelona. Good football. I am not against being pragmatic, because it is pragmatic to make a good pass, not a bad one. If I have the ball, what do I do with it? Could anybody argue that a bad solution like just kicking it away is pragmatic just because, sometimes, it works by accident?"

23) [In response to Sir Alex Ferguson's claim that he possessed the best team in the league despite Arsenal winning the title in 2002] "Everyone thinks they have the prettiest wife at home."

24) "Ferguson should calm down. Maybe it would have been better if he had put us against a wall and shot us."

25) "He [Ferguson] doesn't interest me and doesn't matter to me at all. I will never answer to any provocation from him any more."

26) [To journalists regarding Ferguson] "What I don't understand is that he does what he wants and you are all at his feet."

27) "Ferguson's out of order. He has lost all sense of reality. He is going out looking for a confrontation, then asking the person he is confronting to apologise. He's pushed the cork in a bit far this time."

28) [Upon being asked if he had received the apology that Sir Alex had announced he had sent to Wenger] "No. Perhaps he sent it by horse."

29) "I'm ready to take the blame for all the problems of English football if that is what he wants."

30) [After Jose Royes announced he wanted to leave Arsenal] "It's like you wanting to marry Miss World and she doesn't want you. I can try to help you but if she does not want to marry you what can I do?"

31) "Despite the global warming, England is still not warm enough for him."

32) "Gerard Houllier's thoughts on the matter [international football] echo mine. He thinks that what the national coaches are doing is like taking the car from his garage without even asking permission. They will then use the car for ten days and abandon it in a field without any petrol left in the tank. We then have to recover it, but it is broken down. Then a month later they will come to take your car again, and for good measure you're expected to be nice about it."

33) "Gerard is an open-minded and passionate man. I am the opposite: stubborn and stupid. But sometimes stupid behaviour makes you win."

34) "I do not think about the national team too much because footballistically it is not of too much interest."

35) [On losing the lead of the league in November 2004] "It's like a child who is used to having ice cream whenever he wants. When it doesn't come when he asks he tends to get confused and nervous."

36) "Any man who concentrates his energies totally on one passion is, by definition, someone who hurts the people close to him."

37) "We were considering him [Ruud van Nistelrooy] and Francis Jeffers and, in the end, we went for Jeffers."

38) "Maybe people will be surprised that I have signed an Englishman but I looked at his quality and not his passport. Francis is a 'fox in the box'."

39) [On Ruud van Nistelrooy in 2003] "He can only cheat."

40) "I think in England you eat too much sugar and meat and not enough vegetables."

41) "I lived for two years in Japan and it was the best diet I ever had. The whole way of life there is linked to health. Their diet is basically boiled vegetables, fish and rice. No fat, no sugar. You notice when you live there that there are no fat people."

42) "One of the things I discovered in Japan was from watching sumo wrestling. At the end you can never tell who has won the fight, and who has lost, because they do not show their emotion because it could embarrass the loser. It is unbelievable. That is why I try to teach my team politeness. It is only here in England that everybody pokes their tongue out when they win."

43) "What's really dreadful is the diet in Britain. The whole day you drink tea with milk and coffee with milk and cakes. If you had a fantasy world of what you shouldn't eat in sport, it's what you eat here."

44) "If you do not believe you can do it then you have no chance at all."

45) [On Arsenal's recruitment policy] "If I give you a good wine, you will see how it tastes and after you ask where it comes from."

46) "I don't kick dressing room doors or the cat or even football journalists."

47) "At some clubs success is accidental. At Arsenal it is compulsory."

48) "Nobody has enough talent to live on talent alone. Even when you have talent, a life without work goes nowhere."

49) "You have to be a masochist to be an international manager."

50) "For me, when you change more than three players in a team, you always take a technical risk because you change the deep structure of the team and the deep balance of the team, mentally and technically."

51) "We do not buy superstars. We make them."

52) "The real revelation of a player's character is not in his social life but in how he plays. In my social life I can hide my real personality."

53) [After Martin Taylor snapped Eduardo's leg in half] "The guy should never ever play football again."

54) [On how long Tomas Rosicky would be ruled out for at the start of his 18-month recuperation] "Days not weeks."

55) "I am in a job where you always look in front of you. Unfortunately, the older you get, the less distance there is in front of you."

56) "We try to go a different way that, for me, is respectable. Briefly, these are the basics. I thought: "We are building a stadium, so I will get young players in early so I do not find myself exposed on the transfer market without the money to compete with the others. I build a team, and we compensate by creating a style of play, by creating a culture at the club because the boy comes in at 16 or 17 and when they go out they have a supplement of soul, of love for the club, because they have been educated together. The people you meet at college from 16 to 20, often those are the relationships in life that keep going. That, I think, will give us strength that other clubs will not have."

57) "What motivates me is an ideal of thinking about how football should be. And to try to get near this way of playing. And to try to improve all aspects of my personality that can help me get near this ideal way of playing football."

58) [On Emmanuel Adebayor's stamp on Robin van Persie] "I watched it when I got home and it looked very bad. You ask 100 people, 99 will say it's very bad and the hundredth will be Mark Hughes."

59) "I did not see the incident."

60) "I do not like to make a fuss, it'll just be another day. I want to stay 59."

from football365.com
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on October 26, 2009, 07:46:47 AM
stupid loss of 2 points yesterday, the referee decision to give a free kick for a clash of two players neither of whom had control of fthe ball was as dumb as vito palming the ball into the six yard area instead of for a corner

the second penalty claim which the reff gave was soft but we looked fo rthat because of complancency

gallas and vermaelen need to stay in the back in these gams where teams are desperately looking for a result throwing caution to the wind

we should have killed the game earlu in the second half and we failed to do so

wenger should have subbed since the 70th to find the fkiller 3rd goal instead of subbing after the game was 2-2

and why? why? why? sub on bendtner when you have nasri and eduardo on the bench?????
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on October 26, 2009, 08:25:09 AM
stupid loss of 2 points yesterday, the referee decision to give a free kick for a clash of two players neither of whom had control of fthe ball was as dumb as vito palming the ball into the six yard area instead of for a corner

the second penalty claim which the reff gave was soft but we looked fo rthat because of complancency

gallas and vermaelen need to stay in the back in these gams where teams are desperately looking for a result throwing caution to the wind

we should have killed the game earlu in the second half and we failed to do so

wenger should have subbed since the 70th to find the fkiller 3rd goal instead of subbing after the game was 2-2

and why? why? why? sub on bendtner when you have nasri and eduardo on the bench?????

You forgot to mention that the penalty given wasn't even a foul. The ref had a very bad game, including the sending off for West Ham. No mention of Upson handball in the first half.

But ... in any case ... Van Persie has no excuses for missing that header in injury time.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on October 26, 2009, 09:42:28 AM
You forgot to mention that the penalty given wasn't even a foul. The ref had a very bad game, including the sending off for West Ham. No mention of Upson handball in the first half.

But ... in any case ... Van Persie has no excuses for missing that header in injury time.

Song clip Cole heel in the box causing him to fall... how is that not a foul?

I switch off de game with allyuh up 2-0... apparently so too did the Arsenal starting XI.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on October 28, 2009, 06:23:58 AM
SQUAD for tonight's game.
Wilshere is "short", suprised Vela isn't there. No reports of injury. Maybe he's playing on Saturday but he's 20 ... he can play 2 games in 4 days.

Wojciech Szczesny
Lukasz Fabianski
Philippe Senderos
Kyle Bartley
Mikael Silvestre
Kieran Gibbs
Kerrea Gilbert
Fran Merida
Francis Coquelin
Craig Eastmond
Emmanuel Frimpong
Aaron Ramsey
Mark Randall
Samir Nasri
Eduardo
Gilles Sunu
Nicklas Bendtner
Sanchez Watt
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on October 28, 2009, 06:33:18 PM
boo yakasha

the yutes ave it

well they get away a lil too but good result for them

on the other hand , chelski, manu, city, spurs still in the quarters

up next the spuds
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on October 29, 2009, 08:29:40 AM
as a neutral, must say that was an entertaining game..

for Arsenal, the left back Gibbs and Merida impress me.. For Liverpool i thought Plessis had a real good game in the middle and Degen look good in the RB..

on the flipside, Bendtner, Babel, Ngog and Voronin is level, level shit and for first team players was supposed to be shining in a game like this.

I find Bendtner should just stand up in the box and wait for headers in instead of trying to look like a football player.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kicker on October 29, 2009, 09:33:47 AM
as a neutral, must say that was an entertaining game..

for Arsenal, the left back Gibbs and Merida impress me.. For Liverpool i thought Plessis had a real good game in the middle and Degen look good in the RB..

on the flipside, Bendtner, Babel, Ngog and Voronin is level, level shit and for first team players was supposed to be shining in a game like this.

I find Bendtner should just stand up in the box and wait for headers in instead of trying to look like a football player.

I dunno how that Ngog fella is even a Liverpool player.  This weekend, apart from the goal, he seemed so inept.  I suppose he's only 20....but still. 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on October 31, 2009, 09:04:09 AM
oh ga do

well yes rvp cesc rvp

harry made the mistake of saying arsenal aren't men, love the teams response, first the negatives

we still not taking maximum results from opportunites (goals)
bendtner not uspposed to start before nasri n eduardo
eboue still ineffective
eduardo miss too must needs to shake off the rust

positives
showed we can get results no matter how teams try to play us, spurs had to defend en mass or risk conceding and they still did
arshavin nuff said, although didnt produce today, is more than capable of turning the game for us
subs used at the right time
ramsay pleased to watch the development
cesc goal
cesc goal celebrations shows how much he loves arsenal
rvp the man doesn't know the word quit


side note arsenal face city at home for carling cup, very interesting match up
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: PantherX on October 31, 2009, 11:59:10 AM
Arsenal deserved their win today no excuses, it could easily have been 5.

Well played Arsenal.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kicker on October 31, 2009, 01:38:09 PM
Two goals in the first half woke Arsenal up...up until then they were playing really poorly.

Overall it was a low-quality game with some moments of brilliance- lots of bad passing and disjointed football...

Spurs not ready for the top 4 yet though.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on October 31, 2009, 02:00:14 PM
I could see arsenal beating man city ...and I maintain they still have Walcott and Thomas to come back ....I think Nasri need a few more games under his belt before he can start again.
Fabregas lol what can I say  like the youth ......'
Arshavin still a boss my fav arsenal player right now
Eboue I dunno why peeps being so hard on this guy he is ultimately a defender who is played out of position in midfield cyah really expect too much.
I quietly maintain ...Arsenal is going to win the league! doh wanna talk to loud before Small mag and them hear meh... I could see them winning the carling cup too ...my fav team in football right now

I wouldnt be too harsh on Tottenham they missing modric their midfield magician , Lennon their wing wizard and that big teeth boy ahh the striker who was suspended not too mention their best defender when you missing four starting players its gonna impact you ...I still like to see them play ..specially jenas
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 02, 2009, 08:18:51 PM
one step at a time please

we got AK at home, maximum points this time plz

then away to wolves

slow n steady wins the race
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 04, 2009, 04:02:11 PM
sweet game till almunia had an effin brain fart

we cannot keep doing shit like that

glad to see nasri and rosicky back
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on November 05, 2009, 09:52:03 AM
This team can be a special one!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 07, 2009, 09:33:05 PM
walked all over wolves

BUT

another freaking shit goal to conceded!! eff man that shit will happen with big side and drop points need to keep our sheet together man
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 14, 2009, 07:37:58 AM
hahahahaha just noticed a trend on this threads history and its been justified

when arsenal are doing well the non arsenal fans postings are few and far between, more so the last run of games, they had a lil spike after the draws at west ham and AZ Alkmar but gone cold since then and taking into account the international break

ah yes i will do what all good arsenal fans do and not brag, state facts, and continue an unwavering faith in our AFC
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on November 14, 2009, 04:28:03 PM
hahahahaha just noticed a trend on this threads history and its been justified

when arsenal are doing well the non arsenal fans postings are few and far between, more so the last run of games, they had a lil spike after the draws at west ham and AZ Alkmar but gone cold since then and taking into account the international break

ah yes i will do what all good arsenal fans do and not brag, state facts, and continue an unwavering faith in our AFC

I noticed this a long time ago.

Cross fingers/say prayers because Van Persie looked in alot of pain after that challenge from Chiellini.
Had to be taken off on a stretcher and taken to hospital for scans.

Eduardo scored 2.
Ramsey played 57 mins and got MOM for Wales. Scored one with a run from his own half, and created 2.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: mukumsplau on November 14, 2009, 06:15:12 PM
rvp didnt kno chiellini means business?..anyways my boy get all ball..was a sweet tackle..hard luck dey persie
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bourbon on November 14, 2009, 07:25:41 PM
Hard Luck indeed

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1227939/Arsenal-fear-Robin-van-Persie-miss-rest-season-Holland-striker-suffers-horror-injury.html

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 15, 2009, 05:56:09 AM
rvp didnt kno chiellini means business?..anyways my boy get all ball..was a sweet tackle..hard luck dey persie

you are well named, mukumsplau, only a piece of shit will call that a fair tackle


as for arsenal i say we play liverpool tricks when it comes to friendlies for RVP call groin strain or some injury that clears after 2 weeks

i f**king hate itlaians germans and argentinians the dirtiest nastiest most cheating footballers ever
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 15, 2009, 05:57:02 AM
at least we have eduardo and nasri available
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Daft Trini on November 15, 2009, 06:38:46 AM
Good tackle.... hard luck RVP....get well soon  :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on November 15, 2009, 07:07:34 AM
rvp didnt kno chiellini means business?..anyways my boy get all ball..was a sweet tackle..hard luck dey persie

you are well named, mukumsplau, only a piece of shit will call that a fair tackle


as for arsenal i say we play liverpool tricks when it comes to friendlies for RVP call groin strain or some injury that clears after 2 weeks

i f**king hate itlaians germans and argentinians the dirtiest nastiest most cheating footballers ever

Screw arsenal but sorry to see the injury.......how allyuh men always getting injured so?

Tackle looked though and last ditch but also look good


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haoGpaWMaww
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: mukumsplau on November 15, 2009, 07:38:40 AM
rvp didnt kno chiellini means business?..anyways my boy get all ball..was a sweet tackle..hard luck dey persie

you are well named, mukumsplau, only a piece of shit will call that a fair tackle


as for arsenal i say we play liverpool tricks when it comes to friendlies for RVP call groin strain or some injury that clears after 2 weeks

i f**king hate itlaians germans and argentinians the dirtiest nastiest most cheating footballers ever

yuh hurtin...is ok.

i sorry if a forward suppose to waltz into a box and expect to score unopposed. rvp need to sip some adamantium and mellow heself. it unfortunate leave it at that but d tackle was clean.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: SOBRIQUET on November 15, 2009, 10:42:52 AM
all ball... all day.....
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on November 15, 2009, 11:19:01 AM
if you look good at the replay of that tackle, chiellini was nowhere near van persie's right foot which is the one that was badly injured.. unfortunate yes, but that is about as clean as it gets..

hahahahaha just noticed a trend on this threads history and its been justified

when arsenal are doing well the non arsenal fans postings are few and far between, more so the last run of games, they had a lil spike after the draws at west ham and AZ Alkmar but gone cold since then and taking into account the international break

ah yes i will do what all good arsenal fans do and not brag, state facts, and continue an unwavering faith in our AFC

funny enough, i notice i havent seen you posting in the chelsea thread for ah while...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on November 15, 2009, 11:31:08 AM
Still think they can do it .....but they're definitely gonna miss his link up play .... wenger is transforming him from the winger to the centreforward just like henry  .... Walcott will be back soon .... its a measure of teams to overcome injuries to key players
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Peong on November 16, 2009, 04:54:29 PM
This team blight.  Always wit de injuries!


Six weeks out for Van Persie
Arsenal confirm striker lay-off

 (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_5698358,00.html)
Arsenal have announced that Robin van Persie will be sidelined for 'approximately six weeks'.

The striker suffered an ankle injury 10 minutes into Holland's goalless draw with Italy on Saturday and had to be stretchered from the field.

The Dutch Football Association later revealed he had ruptured ankle ligaments amid fears he could be out of action for several months.

Van Persie played down such concerns on Sunday evening by saying that he would be fit to return in 'four to six weeks'.

Arsenal have now confirmed the length of time they expect to be without the 26-year-old, whilst also stating that he will come back to England to continue his rehabilitation.

Van Persie will therefore miss a number of key games for his club but should be available again around Christmas.

A statement on Arsenal's official website read: "Following the care given to Van Persie by the Dutch FA, he will travel back to London this week and continue his treatment with the Arsenal medical team at London Colney.

"Van Persie will be out of action for approximately six weeks.

"We wish Robin a speedy recovery and look forward to seeing him playing again soon."
Radical

Van Persie, meanwhile, intends to do all he can to help his recovery - including radical medical treatment in Serbia which involves using human placenta.

Speaking to Dutch television programme Studio Voetbal, the Arsenal striker revealed: "I will fly to the Balkans to meet with a female doctor who helped [PSV Eindhoven midfielder] Danko Lazovic.

"She is vague about her methods, but I know she massages you using fluid from a placenta.

"I am going to try. It cannot hurt and if it helps, it helps.

"I have been in contact with Arsenal physiotherapists and they have let me do it."

Van Persie accepted his injury could have been much more serious.

The Dutchman added: "A scan showed that my ankle ligament was almost completely torn off where [Giorgio] Chiellini caught me, but it was not intentional.

"I was lucky, it could be worse."
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on November 17, 2009, 07:32:32 AM
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=699533&sec=england&cc=3888


Van Persie visiting Serbian healer


Arsenal striker Robin Van Persie is set to try an unorthodox method of treatment in a desperate bid to speed up his recovery from an ankle injury.

Van Persie's former team-mate Danko Lazovic has experienced the Serbian housewife's healing powers first-hand.

The Dutchman will have placenta rubbed into the damaged area by a Serbian housewife who successfully healed a former Feyenoord team-mate Danzo Lazovic.

Van Persie is expected to fly out to Belgrade on Tuesday, with the backing of manager Arsene Wenger, to seek the services of Mariana Kovacevic - who has a reputation for drastically speeding up the recovery times of those she treats.

Lazovic, now of PSV, visited the housewife last month after suffering a hamstring injury that was expected to rule him out for five weeks. But after having the placenta fluid rubbed into the affected area, the Serbian striker returned to action after just one week out.

"She is vague about her methods but I know that she first massages you for a long time with placenta fluid," Van Persie said. "I am going to give it a try.

"It can't do any harm and if it helps, it helps. I've been in contact with Arsenal's chief physio about it. The club has allowed me to have this treatment done."

Van Persie, who ruptured ligaments in his right ankle during a friendly against Italy last weekend, decided to take drastic action after two separate doctors in Holland both told the striker he faces at least six weeks out.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on November 18, 2009, 06:48:16 AM
"She is vague about her methods but I know that she first massages you for a long time with placenta fluid,"

That is the first sign right there.
Doh even bother to go, just sign a cheque with plenty zeroes.

He might as well let Dog pray over his ankle.

Who is she placenta-fluid provider anyway? How fresh is it?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: morvant on November 18, 2009, 07:15:29 AM
I hear placenta does taste good with breast sweat residue
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: SOBRIQUET on November 21, 2009, 10:58:27 AM
let the excuses begin.... Sunderland 1- Arsenal 0.............. We waiting for this shitside next week....
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Change on November 21, 2009, 11:24:14 AM
This is why Arsenal CANNOT with a title.

If they keep losing to these lower class teams, and drawing games with these lower class teams, they would NEVER win the title!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Each year, is de same SHIT
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: morvant on November 27, 2009, 04:12:23 AM
ALMUNIA……………………………………………………….

……………SAGNA……………GALLAS……………VERMAELEN……………EBOUE……………

……………………………………………………….SONG………………………………………………………..

………………………………………CESC…………………………NASRI……………………………………..

……………ROSICKY…………………………………………………………………….ARSHAVIN………..
……………………………………………………..EDUARDO……………………………………………………


squad fuh sunday :challenge: :duel:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 27, 2009, 06:46:24 AM
let the excuses begin.... Sunderland 1- Arsenal 0.............. We waiting for this shitside next week....
no excuses we played like we were drunk

despite a half chance for a penalty turned down
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 27, 2009, 06:47:14 AM
This is why Arsenal CANNOT with a title.

If they keep losing to these lower class teams, and drawing games with these lower class teams, they would NEVER win the title!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Each year, is de same SHIT

burnley cut manu arse you saying they can't win either?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 27, 2009, 06:48:56 AM
ALMUNIA……………………………………………………….

……………SAGNA……………GALLAS……………VERMAELEN……………EBOUE……………

……………………………………………………….SONG………………………………………………………..

………………………………………CESC…………………………NASRI……………………………………..

……………ROSICKY…………………………………………………………………….ARSHAVIN………..
……………………………………………………..EDUARDO……………………………………………………


squad fuh sunday :challenge: :duel:

das d same side minus arshavin that shit dong they leg against sunderland, and eduardo starting to annoy me
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on November 27, 2009, 07:18:44 AM
This is why Arsenal CANNOT with a title.

If they keep losing to these lower class teams, and drawing games with these lower class teams, they would NEVER win the title!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Each year, is de same SHIT

burnley cut manu arse you saying they can't win either?
Wigan Beat Chelsea....They can't win either?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on November 27, 2009, 07:20:07 AM
ALMUNIA……………………………………………………….

……………SAGNA……………GALLAS……………VERMAELEN……………EBOUE……………

……………………………………………………….SONG………………………………………………………..

………………………………………CESC…………………………NASRI……………………………………..

……………ROSICKY…………………………………………………………………….ARSHAVIN………..
……………………………………………………..EDUARDO……………………………………………………


squad fuh sunday :challenge: :duel:
Nah I don't like this team.

Rosicky or Nasri off the bench with Denilson starting.

Vela also could get the chance for Eduardo.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: davidephraim on November 27, 2009, 08:04:36 AM
ALMUNIA……………………………………………………….

……………SAGNA……………GALLAS……………VERMAELEN……………EBOUE……………

……………………………………………………….SONG………………………………………………………..

………………………………………CESC…………………………NASRI……………………………………..

……………ROSICKY…………………………………………………………………….ARSHAVIN………..
……………………………………………………..EDUARDO……………………………………………………


squad fuh sunday :challenge: :duel:
Nah I don't like this team.

Rosicky or Nasri off the bench with Denilson starting.

Vela also could get the chance for Eduardo.

Ah feel Denilson go slow down de play to much to early. I got stick with this team.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on November 27, 2009, 09:18:39 AM
Tough tough game for Arsenal with its present injury situation. Lack of depth remains a problem (especially in key positions). The squad minus the injuries, is simply not athletic enough, especially when talking about Chelsea. It is not Arsenal's nature to play conservative, so they will give it a go.
This one will be worth the price of admission. Arsenal needs a result here if they are to keep pace.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: xixgon on November 27, 2009, 10:09:12 AM
Gallas supposedly might be out with an eye injury.

Gibbs out for 3 months.

Arsenal other youths goin hadda step up yes.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 28, 2009, 05:56:57 AM
RVP out for 4-5 months

eduardo needs to pull up he ocks now

rosicky needs to pull up he socks now

bentnder needs to come back quick

wallcott better contribute more than just fast runs

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on November 28, 2009, 06:01:03 AM
Injuries is arsenal problem....this fixture couldn't come at a worse time for them......Chelsea 4-1.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: elan on November 28, 2009, 08:49:09 AM
Injuries is arsenal problem....this fixture couldn't come at a worse time for them......Chelsea 4-1.

Is there ever a better time to play Chelsea.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on November 28, 2009, 11:04:24 AM
Injuries is arsenal problem....this fixture couldn't come at a worse time for them......Chelsea 4-1.

Is there ever a better time to play Chelsea.

  Never, wit de Bomb Squad we have but yuh know what, last time ah break meh rule and  :yapping: big before a game we geh we ass  :flamethrower: so yuh know what?...... :shameonyou: me this time........I go  :waiting: 'til after de game to  :yapping: and :wavetowel:




 ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on November 28, 2009, 12:20:13 PM
Injuries is arsenal problem....this fixture couldn't come at a worse time for them......Chelsea 4-1.

Is there ever a better time to play Chelsea.

  Never, wit de Bomb Squad we have but yuh know what, last time ah break meh rule and  :yapping: big before a game we geh we ass  :flamethrower: so yuh know what?...... :shameonyou: me this time........I go  :waiting: 'til after de game to  :yapping: and :wavetowel:




 ;D
Except that you just broke your rule :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on November 28, 2009, 12:27:57 PM
Injuries is arsenal problem....this fixture couldn't come at a worse time for them......Chelsea 4-1.

Is there ever a better time to play Chelsea.

  Never, wit de Bomb Squad we have but yuh know what, last time ah break meh rule and  :yapping: big before a game we geh we ass  :flamethrower: so yuh know what?...... :shameonyou: me this time........I go  :waiting: 'til after de game to  :yapping: and :wavetowel:




 ;D
Except that you just broke your rule :devil:

  Technically, no.  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on November 28, 2009, 02:19:28 PM
there was a mis-diagnosis and Van Persie's injury is worse than first thought. He will have surgery and will be out for 4-5 months..

unfortunate news, especially as he was having such a good season..
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ali on November 28, 2009, 03:58:04 PM
there was a mis-diagnosis and Van Persie's injury is worse than first thought. He will have surgery and will be out for 4-5 months..

unfortunate news, especially as he was having such a good season..

shucks
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
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Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: WestCoast on November 29, 2009, 09:33:59 AM
Big match
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on November 29, 2009, 10:55:54 AM
Ashley Cole grinning  ;D all game freakin punk

Arsenal for all their football have only managed two shots is 45 minutes.
Arsenal better look out or it could be another embarrassment
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bourbon on November 29, 2009, 11:01:26 AM
Steups. Cyar ever rely on arsenal to do wha yuh need.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on November 29, 2009, 11:34:56 AM
Arsenal should play Walcott upfront, they have enough wide player much better than him, but lack pace up front to get behind defenses.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: elan on November 29, 2009, 11:38:30 AM
Arsenal should play Walcott upfront, they have enough wide player much better than him, but lack pace up front to get behind defenses.

That's arsenal problem they don't have enough width in attack.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on November 29, 2009, 11:44:05 AM
Arsenal should play Walcott upfront, they have enough wide player much better than him, but lack pace up front to get behind defenses.

That's arsenal problem they don't have enough width in attack.

Not sure I agree with that! Arsenal can and have got wide all game but who they going to cross too? When they wide they still have to play through Chelsea to get a shot
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on November 29, 2009, 11:50:35 AM
arsene have some questions to answer...i know some players out (tall men who could challenge for the ball in the air) but the tactics 2nd half wasn't too hot.  ancelotti got his tactics spot on
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: elan on November 29, 2009, 11:54:41 AM
Arsenal should play Walcott upfront, they have enough wide player much better than him, but lack pace up front to get behind defenses.

That's arsenal problem they don't have enough width in attack.

Not sure I agree with that! Arsenal can and have got wide all game but who they going to cross too? When they wide they still have to play through Chelsea to get a shot

They need to play wider to open up space in the middle. Let their CMF play from deeper so that they can play the ball into the middle on the floor around the 36 yard line. Then they can use their normal runs in around the box avoiding the clog in the middle. As it is their build up is to narrow, therefore Chelsea can allow then all the possession the want in the mid 1/3 both vertical and horizontal.

They not attempting to spread the field. Their wing play is non existent.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on November 29, 2009, 12:32:50 PM
I really love how arsenal play football but I kind of getting fed up saying it.
They seem to lack 4 main things.
Not physical enough in 1v1 situations and in the air (even though this year they quicker than the last 3)
No ability to play in another way when they down (Unlike Man U and Chelsea) Variety missing
No real Striker who can get behind defenses
No deadball specialist
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on November 29, 2009, 12:44:34 PM
Injuries is arsenal problem....this fixture couldn't come at a worse time for them......Chelsea 4-1.

Well......I apologize....I got the score wrong...but at least I got the deficit rite!  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on November 29, 2009, 01:03:01 PM
I really love how arsenal play football but I kind of getting fed up saying it.
They seem to lack 4 main things.
Not physical enough in 1v1 situations and in the air (even though this year they quicker than the last 3)
No ability to play in another way when they down (Unlike Man U and Chelsea) Variety missing
No real Striker who can get behind defenses
No deadball specialist

thats it right there, the story getting a bit old now.. too small, too weak and too deliberate..

also i don't see arsenal as the kind of side that can recover from going a goal or two down, they dont have that champion mentality that the teams around them do..

van persie is a massive loss as seen today because Eduardo doesnt have that extra bit of pace and is not a direct replacement for him. i think with him there we couldve seen a much closer game, but once again a very comfortable afternoon for Chelsea.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 30, 2009, 06:33:22 AM
I really love how arsenal play football but I kind of getting fed up saying it.
They seem to lack 4 main things.
Not physical enough in 1v1 situations and in the air (even though this year they quicker than the last 3) not necessarily true we had more of the ball and won th eball back more than they did
No ability to play in another way when they down (Unlike Man U and Chelsea) Variety missing wenger switched to a 442 for this game
No real Striker who can get behind defenses eduardo was shite and rvp n bendtner out, the rest failed to pull trigger
No deadball specialist deadball specialist doh matter when ref doh give blantant fouls on edge of area and wrongly calls eduardo for dangerous play, esp when yuh keeper sets up ah wall then leaves the far post open almunia at fault for 3rd goal

gallas/vermaelen at fault for 1st
gallas stupidly sliding in then MISSING the ball, put vermaelen off the ball a fraction of a second, leading to the unfortunate deflection
however prior to both goals arsenal switched off before the half
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on November 30, 2009, 07:52:01 AM
I really love how arsenal play football but I kind of getting fed up saying it.
They seem to lack 4 main things.
Not physical enough in 1v1 situations and in the air (even though this year they quicker than the last 3) not necessarily true we had more of the ball and won th eball back more than they did
No ability to play in another way when they down (Unlike Man U and Chelsea) Variety missing wenger switched to a 442 for this game
No real Striker who can get behind defenses eduardo was shite and rvp n bendtner out, the rest failed to pull trigger
No deadball specialist deadball specialist doh matter when ref doh give blantant fouls on edge of area and wrongly calls eduardo for dangerous play, esp when yuh keeper sets up ah wall then leaves the far post open almunia at fault for 3rd goal

gallas/vermaelen at fault for 1st
gallas stupidly sliding in then MISSING the ball, put vermaelen off the ball a fraction of a second, leading to the unfortunate deflection
however prior to both goals arsenal switched off before the half

So when you say that the ref was "wrong" for calling the dangerous play against eduardo is it because (1) players should be allowed to raise their feet at chest height of a player that just jumped for a ball or (2) the ref should have just ignored it or (3) eduardo didn't really do what the ref thought he saw....it was all his own imagination?  I didn't see you mention the penalty that was not called when sagna put a sumo move on Anelka......allyuh men good oui!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on November 30, 2009, 09:06:02 AM
I really love how arsenal play football but I kind of getting fed up saying it.
They seem to lack 4 main things.
Not physical enough in 1v1 situations and in the air (even though this year they quicker than the last 3) not necessarily true we had more of the ball and won th eball back more than they did
No ability to play in another way when they down (Unlike Man U and Chelsea) Variety missing wenger switched to a 442 for this game
No real Striker who can get behind defenses eduardo was shite and rvp n bendtner out, the rest failed to pull trigger
No deadball specialist deadball specialist doh matter when ref doh give blantant fouls on edge of area and wrongly calls eduardo for dangerous play, esp when yuh keeper sets up ah wall then leaves the far post open almunia at fault for 3rd goal

gallas/vermaelen at fault for 1st
gallas stupidly sliding in then MISSING the ball, put vermaelen off the ball a fraction of a second, leading to the unfortunate deflection
however prior to both goals arsenal switched off before the half

The own goal was unfortunate, no fault really. But it is the second own goal in a big game this year.
Eduardo's foot was high so its a foul.
Regardless of if the ref calls fouls or not. No dead ball specialist (with consistency)
By Variety I don't mean SYSTEM. I mean Players to get behind through a splitting passes or flick on, Crosses with an Aerial threat. More direct play if necessary
Arsenal struggles in the air both defensively and offensively. Every opponent knows this.
For all Arsenal qualities they do not get enough strikes on goal. When they are on they score but in every tight game this year they seem to struggle.
Is it me or was Arshavin very off yesterday. He seem to give away the ball in good attacking positions yesterday.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kicker on November 30, 2009, 10:31:27 AM
Van Persie & Diaby make a big difference in the squad- they both have a physical presence that none of the others have.

A fit Rosicky would give them a little more dynamism in the passing.  As good as Arsenal's midfield could be on their day, Denilson, Song & even Fabregas can be a bit one dimensional and predictable- Rosicky changes pace and direction in a much needed way against teams like Chelsea- probably the most difficult team to break down...

Arshavin could be more influential based on his skill set, but always looks to be a bit less than fully fit...or maybe just a bit lazy.

Arsenal is like a poor man's Barcelona- very simliar footballing ideas, players and approach to the game except that Barcelona has more physically capable players, and their creative tools are more dynamic. 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on November 30, 2009, 10:36:15 AM
I forgot to mention the play of the game... see bolded.

Drogba brushes past Arsenal's feeble challenge

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/drogba-brushes-past-arsenals-feeble-challenge-1831135.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/drogba-brushes-past-arsenals-feeble-challenge-1831135.html)

(http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00269/drogba_269521t.jpg)
Drogba scored twice as Chelsea won the match 3-0

By Sam Wallace, Football Correspondent


Sitting on the bench at the end of the game, having wreaked havoc on Arsenal, Didier Drogba spent the last five minutes signing autographs for the home fans. And if you think that was humiliating for Arsenal, it was nothing compared to the game itself.

Carlo Ancelotti was the manager who wore the embarrassing pixie hat for most of the game but the little people were the ones wearing the red shirts. To say it was men against boys would be putting it mildly. Chelsea looked superior in every department, brushing aside their opponents with the kind of ease they might swat away a team from much lower in the league.

This dominance was embodied in Drogba more than anyone else and not just in the two goals he scored. There was a moment late in the second half when Armand Traoré tried to body-check Drogba off the ball as they came together on the left flank. The full-back simply bounced off and ended up on the turf: that was Arsenal's afternoon in one moment. They barely laid a finger on Chelsea.

When Arsène Wenger said on Friday that this game would give him a clear idea of his team's position in English football, he was entirely accurate, although he would have hoped the answer would not prove so painful. Wenger's team trail Chelsea by 11 points and in terms of yesterday's performance they are light years behind. They lost to Chelsea by the same margin in May – 4-1 at the Emirates – and nothing has changed since then.

It was not just Drogba who proved so outstanding for Chelsea, their back four was also dominant. Ashley Cole made both the first-half goals, the second turned into his own net by Thomas Vermaelen, and by the time Cole was substituted it had become an effort for the home fans to boo his every touch. Cole had been excellent and everyone at the Emirates knew it.

While Vermaelen scored an own goal and William Gallas lost Drogba at the crucial moments, at the other end John Terry and Ricardo Carvalho never looked as though Eduardo da Silva would get the better of them. Branislav Ivanovic fought a running battle with Andrei Arshavin and it was the Chelsea full-back who had the better of it. Was there one positive element for Arsenal? The free T-shirts given to the fans at half-time went down well.

It does Wenger no favours when he tries to wriggle out of what was painfully clear to everyone else at the Emirates, or at least the 20,000 or so Arsenal fans who hung around until the final whistle. He claimed that his team were denied a goal when referee Andre Marriner penalised Eduardo for kicking the ball out of Petr Cech's hands four minutes after half-time, just before Arshavin volleyed in the loose ball.

Wenger said that decision had changed the course of the match and that Drogba had done little of note. It was wild and whirling stuff from the Arsenal manager. He would find few among his own fans who would agree, especially not the bloke who kept asking Drogba to sign his programmes. The kindest thing we can say about such an intelligent football man is that Wenger was simply traumatised by what he had seen and was temporarily incapable of facing the truth.

A more reasoned approach would be to accept that Marriner had a good game but this was not about the referee. This match was about Arsenal's sorry inability to live with Chelsea. Cesc Fabregas was decent enough in the opening stages, in which his side competed, but he disappeared after that. Of course Arsenal missed Robin van Persie but the Emirates crowd yesterday was not interested in excuses.

In the way the trickle to the exits turned into a full-scale evacuation when Drogba's second goal hit the net five minutes from time, you could tell what the Arsenal support thought of this performance. Fabregas had been mugged by Joe Cole in midfield around the hour-mark and after that Wenger's side seemed to slump. They did not give up, but they no longer seemed to believe they could win this match.

Nicolas Anelka might even have had a penalty on 19 minutes when Bacary Sagna tried to tackle him from the wrong side and brought the striker down. By then Chelsea were well on top and the two killer goals came in the six minutes before half-time. First Terry played a perfect ball past Arshavin to release Ashley Cole on the left. His cross was guided beyond Almunia by Drogba.

When Cole put in an identical cross at the end of the half, Drogba did not even have to apply the finish because Vermaelen did it for him. Gallas, who was completely out of sorts, seemed to want nothing to do with the job of stopping Drogba.

The only time Chelsea looked under any danger was when someone among the Arsenal fans lobbed a camera at Frank Lampard when he went to take a corner. At this genteel stadium you normally expect the missiles to be of a decent certain Islington quality – an olive ciabatta perhaps, or a guidebook to Tuscany – and this one missed Lampard and struck the linesman.

Drogba's third was a beautifully-executed free-kick, struck with the instep inside Almunia's right post. It was Drogba's 10th goal in 11 games against Arsenal and you can see why. He is the kind of player they cannot contain in so much as he has the pace and skill of the prototype Arsenal player and then the aggression and strength on top of it. He has become Arsenal's nightmare. And also exactly the kind of player they need themselves.

Arsenal (4-3-3): Almunia; Sagna, Gallas, Vermaelen, Traoré; Fabregas, Song (Walcott, h-t), Denilson; Nasri (Rosicky, 66), Eduardo (Vela, 57), Arshavin. Substitutes not used: Ramsey, Silvestre, Fabianski (gk), Eboué.

Chelsea (4-1-3-2): Cech; Ivanovic, Carvalho, Terry, A Cole (Ferreira, 72); Mikel; Lampard, J Cole (Deco, 67), Essien; Drogba (Malouda, 85), Anelka. Substitutes not used: Ballack, Zhirkov, Kalou, Hilario (gk).

Referee: A Marriner (West Midlands).

Booked: Arsenal Traoré, Fabregas Chelsea Drogba, Mikel.

Man of the match: Drogba.

Attendance: 60,067
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on November 30, 2009, 10:43:32 AM
Eduardo is not the striker to lead arsenal to the promised land that much is obvious..... and that game might be a significant indicator of where the  league title at this point seems to be headed. Arsenal had more possession but less penetration......a wise man once said "possession with no penetration is only masturbation" lol
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fordy on November 30, 2009, 11:01:08 AM
Eduardo is not the striker to lead arsenal to the promised land that much is obvious..... and that game might be a significant indicator of where the  league title at this point seems to be headed. Arsenal had more possession but less penetration......a wise man once said "possession with no penetration is only masturbation" lol

ah glad yuh finally get to see what ive been trying to tell you all this time bout Arsenal. They aint no Barca as ive been trying to tell u...they play nice ball and all dont get me wrong...but in d final third when they come up against a proper defense they dont have the tools to get it done. Chelsea get bout 4 chances...3 score. Chelsea middle and defense (namely terry) is problems for any team to beat on any given day. i really not seeing nobody beating chelsea this year in england.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: superoli on November 30, 2009, 11:09:56 AM
There was a moment late in the second half when Armand Traoré tried to body-check Drogba off the ball as they came together on the left flank. The full-back simply bounced off and ended up on the turf: that was Arsenal's afternoon in one moment. They barely laid a finger on Chelsea.

hence why I find it so annoying when the big ox falls down so much
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on November 30, 2009, 11:25:49 AM
In defense of Eduardo, that injury must be a huge psychological blow, not to mention the physical damage.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on November 30, 2009, 03:19:33 PM
In defense of Eduardo, that injury must be a huge psychological blow, not to mention the physical damage.


 It didn't stop 'im from going in on that stchupid, break-foot challenge on Essien though......
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on November 30, 2009, 10:25:14 PM
Time for Walcott to grow up and lead the line with that pace ...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 30, 2009, 10:32:27 PM
There was a moment late in the second half when Armand Traoré tried to body-check Drogba off the ball as they came together on the left flank. The full-back simply bounced off and ended up on the turf: that was Arsenal's afternoon in one moment. They barely laid a finger on Chelsea.

hence why I find it so annoying when the big ox falls down so much

ent? h only tough against we "boys" f**king pussy cat in lions clothing
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 30, 2009, 10:35:38 PM
Van Persie & Diaby make a big difference in the squad- they both have a physical presence that none of the others have.

A fit Rosicky would give them a little more dynamism in the passing.  As good as Arsenal's midfield could be on their day, Denilson, Song & even Fabregas can be a bit one dimensional and predictable- Rosicky changes pace and direction in a much needed way against teams like Chelsea- probably the most difficult team to break down...

Arshavin could be more influential based on his skill set, but always looks to be a bit less than fully fit...or maybe just a bit lazy.

Arsenal is like a poor man's Barcelona- very simliar footballing ideas, players and approach to the game except that Barcelona has more physically capable players, and their creative tools are more dynamic. 
all correct cept rosicky still way off his best for all songs battling denilson was no where and the final third no shots especially against a team that defens with midfeilders in the box, every surge arsenal had was a sea off blue infront, with no room behind arsenal need the space behind to cut defenses apart
also the 433 was switched to 442
shit performance by arsenal no one stood up to be counted and i still think almunia needs a kick to the balls for that wall and hi spositioning with drogba second
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on November 30, 2009, 11:07:00 PM
Van Persie & Diaby make a big difference in the squad- they both have a physical presence that none of the others have.

A fit Rosicky would give them a little more dynamism in the passing.  As good as Arsenal's midfield could be on their day, Denilson, Song & even Fabregas can be a bit one dimensional and predictable- Rosicky changes pace and direction in a much needed way against teams like Chelsea- probably the most difficult team to break down...

Arshavin could be more influential based on his skill set, but always looks to be a bit less than fully fit...or maybe just a bit lazy.

Arsenal is like a poor man's Barcelona- very simliar footballing ideas, players and approach to the game except that Barcelona has more physically capable players, and their creative tools are more dynamic. 
all correct cept rosicky still way off his best for all songs battling denilson was no where and the final third no shots especially against a team that defens with midfeilders in the box, every surge arsenal had was a sea off blue infront, with no room behind arsenal need the space behind to cut defenses apart
also the 433 was switched to 442
shit performance by arsenal no one stood up to be counted and i still think almunia needs a kick to the balls for that wall and hi spositioning with drogba second

   Can't agree with you more on Almunia, he clearly don't do his homework.  95% of the time, Drogba puts his free-kicks in the exact same spot he did yesterday.  Almunia do rel nonsense on that one and if he woulda done what he was supposed to do, it woulda been an easy save....GO CHELSEA! GO DROGBA! PUSSYCAT IN LION'S CLOTHING!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: elan on November 30, 2009, 11:46:05 PM
There was a moment late in the second half when Armand Traoré tried to body-check Drogba off the ball as they came together on the left flank. The full-back simply bounced off and ended up on the turf: that was Arsenal's afternoon in one moment. They barely laid a finger on Chelsea.

hence why I find it so annoying when the big ox falls down so much

ent? h only tough against we "boys" f**king pussy cat in lions clothing

Apparently you did not see the game against Liverpool among others. That pussy cat digging people eyes out with he claws.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on December 01, 2009, 12:44:32 AM
There was a moment late in the second half when Armand Traoré tried to body-check Drogba off the ball as they came together on the left flank. The full-back simply bounced off and ended up on the turf: that was Arsenal's afternoon in one moment. They barely laid a finger on Chelsea.

hence why I find it so annoying when the big ox falls down so much

ent? h only tough against we "boys" f**king pussy cat in lions clothing

   Elan....leave de man leh 'im vent nuh.........Yuh could imagine how he pressha go raise in May when he seein de pussycyat get he claws on all dem trophy? Leh de man vent........

Apparently you did not see the game against Liverpool among others. That pussy cat digging people eyes out with he claws.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kicker on December 01, 2009, 07:24:01 AM
Van Persie & Diaby make a big difference in the squad- they both have a physical presence that none of the others have.

A fit Rosicky would give them a little more dynamism in the passing.  As good as Arsenal's midfield could be on their day, Denilson, Song & even Fabregas can be a bit one dimensional and predictable- Rosicky changes pace and direction in a much needed way against teams like Chelsea- probably the most difficult team to break down...

Arshavin could be more influential based on his skill set, but always looks to be a bit less than fully fit...or maybe just a bit lazy.

Arsenal is like a poor man's Barcelona- very simliar footballing ideas, players and approach to the game except that Barcelona has more physically capable players, and their creative tools are more dynamic. 
all correct cept rosicky still way off his best for all songs battling denilson was no where and the final third no shots especially against a team that defens with midfeilders in the box, every surge arsenal had was a sea off blue infront, with no room behind arsenal need the space behind to cut defenses apart
also the 433 was switched to 442
shit performance by arsenal no one stood up to be counted and i still think almunia needs a kick to the balls for that wall and hi spositioning with drogba second

That's why I said "a fit Rosicky would"
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 01, 2009, 05:21:40 PM
Arsène Wenger will definitely be on the hunt for players in the transfer market during January.

A few weeks ago, the Arsenal manager said that he was unlikely to spend in the window because he was happy with this squad. However that was before the long-term injury to Robin Van Persie.

It was confirmed at the weekend that the Dutch striker is now out for four to five months with an ankle problem. Speaking to Arsenal TV Online on Tuesday, Wenger admitted that had changed his thinking.

"It has to," he said. "I didn't feel we were in the need to buy anybody but we will be out on the market that is for sure now. However we will only make a decision if it suits us."

but of course his last statement means they probably won't buy anyone

copied from arsenal.com
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 01, 2009, 05:24:46 PM
There was a moment late in the second half when Armand Traoré tried to body-check Drogba off the ball as they came together on the left flank. The full-back simply bounced off and ended up on the turf: that was Arsenal's afternoon in one moment. They barely laid a finger on Chelsea.

hence why I find it so annoying when the big ox falls down so much

ent? h only tough against we "boys" f**king pussy cat in lions clothing

hoesntly i hardly watch other sides play each other, usually because i manage my time around the arsenal games, i do try n catch them when i can

Apparently you did not see the game against Liverpool among others. That pussy cat digging people eyes out with he claws.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 01, 2009, 05:28:19 PM
and another thing

wenger's been ridiculed and berated for his "drogba did nothing" comment

if you minus his touch on the first goal, his repeated run on the second which lead to the own goal and the free kick, then drogba honestly did nothing

BUT

thats the difference we were lacking we did everything BUT finish BUT shoot if ands and buts are filling up the trophy cabinet

man i hope we poison man city and i hope ade gets it live n direct again (notice our fans didn't ridicule toure, respect is earned not expected)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on December 01, 2009, 06:01:58 PM
I like Rosicky I must admit he reminds me of an old fashion dip and jink dribbler.
Not saying  Arshavin is not a good player, but I am not convinced.

I really hope Arsenal invest in a striker & not Chamakh (I think he will take too long to adapt to EPL). If it has to be French then Gignac (far more of a physical striker and not CL Cup tied).
I really also like Dzeko, but Wenger tighter than sand fly bamsee wid money. But Bendtner & cash might work  ;D
By the way Arsenal have a very good young striker in the ranks Benik Afobe is his name remember it. He may be at Barca before he plays for Arsenal, that would be irony.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on December 01, 2009, 07:35:54 PM
and another thing

wenger's been ridiculed and berated for his "drogba did nothing" comment

if you minus his touch on the first goal, his repeated run on the second which lead to the own goal and the free kick, then drogba honestly did nothing

BUT

thats the difference we were lacking we did everything BUT finish BUT shoot if ands and buts are filling up the trophy cabinet

man i hope we poison man city and i hope ade gets it live n direct again (notice our fans didn't ridicule toure, respect is earned not expected)

  arsene9 is only trying to deflect off of Drogba's accomplishment to make his own players feel better. 
     It really amazes me how Drogba does be KILLIN' arsenal, time and time and time again an men does have the nerve to talk about how other than the two beautiful goals he scored....."he did nothing".  Arkse senderos if he look forward to matchin' up against him anytime soon.  He still having nightmares! lol!   What makes it even funnier is that many a time I have heard analyst and match commentator alike say that Drogba could seem like he is completely out of a game for 80 minutes and he would kill you wit two goals.  that tells you that defenders cyah sleep on him and arsene9 supposed to prepare his team to deal with that.  What is a forward's job again? Not to score goals?  Well.....Oh, and by the way....look at where Drogba was for the beautiful own goal that arsenal scored eh.......he mighta end up "doing nothing" but scorin' a hat trick on allyuh ass too.  Good luck this season.   arsene9 need to admit that he and his team have no answer for Drogba.  Seems like Arshavin is the only one on dat side talkin' any sense.;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on December 01, 2009, 09:06:59 PM
and another thing

wenger's been ridiculed and berated for his "drogba did nothing" comment

if you minus his touch on the first goal, his repeated run on the second which lead to the own goal and the free kick, then drogba honestly did nothing

BUT

thats the difference we were lacking we did everything BUT finish BUT shoot if ands and buts are filling up the trophy cabinet

man i hope we poison man city and i hope ade gets it live n direct again (notice our fans didn't ridicule toure, respect is earned not expected)

ay mr. emotional..

if the big pussy cat say he want to come Arsenal in January yuh taking him?? aight so hush..
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 02, 2009, 07:03:02 AM
and another thing

wenger's been ridiculed and berated for his "drogba did nothing" comment

if you minus his touch on the first goal, his repeated run on the second which lead to the own goal and the free kick, then drogba honestly did nothing

BUT

thats the difference we were lacking we did everything BUT finish BUT shoot if ands and buts are filling up the trophy cabinet

man i hope we poison man city and i hope ade gets it live n direct again (notice our fans didn't ridicule toure, respect is earned not expected)

ay mr. emotional..

if the big pussy cat say he want to come Arsenal in January yuh taking him?? aight so hush..

fark you and yuh pussy cat stay on that side of london yuh blasted chav loving nevau riche classless twats
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on December 02, 2009, 07:32:36 AM
pussycat or psa bus?

http://www.youtube.com/v/sHt53Yi8N60
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: elan on December 02, 2009, 03:11:21 PM
Tevezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.......
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: elan on December 02, 2009, 03:27:29 PM
SWP
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on December 02, 2009, 03:37:23 PM
How Arsene go put on a youth squad out there vs Man City full squad, and then be upset when they get licks?

 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 02, 2009, 03:39:43 PM
what a shit performance again

the kids looked exactly like the first team vs chelsea

have they no effin pride?

and concede 6 yellow cards?

god damnit wenger sort it out 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: elan on December 02, 2009, 04:02:37 PM
Match Stats 
Manchester City                            Arsenal 
12(9)               Shots (on Goal)         10(3) 
12                   Fouls                       17 
5                     Corner Kicks              7 
2                     Offsides                   1 
39%                Time of Possession      61%   
2                     Yellow Cards             6 
0                     Red Cards                 0 
1                     Saves                      7 



And lose 3 nil.....nah not good enough.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on December 02, 2009, 04:40:42 PM
What a wretched week  :-[
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 02, 2009, 05:26:34 PM
What a wretched week  :-[

like is November and December dat sucks for arsenal
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on December 02, 2009, 05:27:23 PM
small ting, man city could have the CC...they only spent like 1 billion dollars in the off season  :D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 02, 2009, 05:34:27 PM
Match Stats 
Manchester City                            Arsenal 
12(9)               Shots (on Goal)         10(3) 
12                   Fouls                       17 
5                     Corner Kicks              7 
2                     Offsides                   1 
39%                Time of Possession      61%   
2                     Yellow Cards             6 
0                     Red Cards                 0 
1                     Saves                      7 



And lose 3 nil.....nah not good enough.

ah tell yuh they look just like d first team vs chelsea
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on December 02, 2009, 06:20:03 PM
Yeah, but Man City target this competition, so it was a full squad.
Whereas Arsenal had fellas out there you never hear of.

Clearly, no matter how disappointed you would be as an Arsenal fan, you have to know that they don't take this cup seriously.

My personal feeling is that Arsene wants to win the champions league. The rest are secondary to him. Yes, even the EPL is secondary.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on December 03, 2009, 08:52:54 AM
It's a pity because a team that plays the way Arsenal do deserves to win some Silverwear. Especially since youth coaches have a tendency to copy the top teams in football. That being said all that needs to be said about Arsenal has already been said. Here is the trend against top teams.

ManCity- 3-0 Cup
Chelsea- 3-0 League
ManCity- 4-2 League
ManU   - 2-1 League              12 Goals Against  -  3 Goals for

I would discount the Carling Cup game, but it still reads 9 against & only 3 scored.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on December 04, 2009, 04:34:24 AM
It's a pity because a team that plays the way Arsenal do deserves to win some Silverwear. Especially since youth coaches have a tendency to copy the top teams in football. That being said all that needs to be said about Arsenal has already been said. Here is the trend against top teams.

ManCity- 3-0 Cup
Chelsea- 3-0 League
ManCity- 4-2 League
ManU   - 2-1 League              12 Goals Against  -  3 Goals for

I would discount the Carling Cup game, but it still reads 9 against & only 3 scored.


   .....but Observer.....how yuh could say dat arsenal deserve to win some kinda silverware de way dey does play....dem playin small-goal football in a big-goal league....yuh cyah even win respect playin' like dat.....dize like sayin a dead man did deserve to win a gunfight because he knife had look prettier than de other man gun.  ;)

  dem eh winnin' nutting dis season..........again.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on December 04, 2009, 02:20:39 PM
I agree with Arshavin. Watching the Chelsea and Man City games, Arsenal were just not physically capable. Unlike the "Invincibles" where almost everyone on the starting team was 6 feet and taller, this Arsenal team is a set of small players. And the only attacking players we have with size (van Persie, Bendtner, Diaby) are out injured. The lack of power is showing.

But the gap is 8 points (if Arsenal wins their game in hand) and Chelsea and Man Utd WILL drop points. So if Arsenal can recover and go on another little run, the gap will close again. Other than Liverpool (at Anfield), Arsenal has a fairly good run of upcoming fixtures. So all is not lost yet. They just cant go and lose to all the top teams again in the second round of the league.

With van Persie out, Bendtner is going to get a chance to prove his worth when he returns from injury. And if he does well in his first few games back, don't be surprised if Wenger doesn't buy. Cant believe its come to this lol  :-\
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 05, 2009, 09:57:49 AM
How Arsene go put on a youth squad out there vs Man City full squad, and then be upset when they get licks?

arsene didn't shake sparky hand, because sparky tell him to f**k off after arsene complained about sparky being in the arsenal technical area, so media so full of shit, they show hughes cussing at wenger after but only fosuc that hughes say wenger is a sore loser blah blah blah, arsene not dignifying the statement anymore than what he said and hughes know what he did cus he doh want to talk about it no more

and it simple the 17/18 year olds got man handled by fellas in their 20's with nearly 10yrs top flight experience
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 05, 2009, 09:58:53 AM
small ting, man city could have the CC...they only spent like 1 billion dollars in the off season  :D

iff dey lucky they might get ah run in the europa cup next year
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 05, 2009, 10:10:23 AM
pussycat or psa bus?

http://www.youtube.com/v/sHt53Yi8N60

still a over grown pussy cat

its physics yuh poonks, drogba weighs 205 lbs at 6'2" thats pretty solid even by NFL standards for receivers, men who hold off tackles while catching the ball
traore weighs 165lbs at 6'0" thats 40lbs of power mass and velocity less than the ivorian giant feline
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 05, 2009, 10:27:26 AM
supposed to have 4 or 5 in this game sorensen and the stoke defense battling hard
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on December 05, 2009, 11:12:45 AM
It's a pity because a team that plays the way Arsenal do deserves to win some Silverwear. Especially since youth coaches have a tendency to copy the top teams in football. That being said all that needs to be said about Arsenal has already been said. Here is the trend against top teams.

ManCity- 3-0 Cup
Chelsea- 3-0 League
ManCity- 4-2 League
ManU   - 2-1 League              12 Goals Against  -  3 Goals for

I would discount the Carling Cup game, but it still reads 9 against & only 3 scored.


   .....but Observer.....how yuh could say dat arsenal deserve to win some kinda silverware de way dey does play....dem playin small-goal football in a big-goal league....yuh cyah even win respect playin' like dat.....dize like sayin a dead man did deserve to win a gunfight because he knife had look prettier than de other man gun.  ;)

  dem eh winnin' nutting dis season..........again.


We will have to disagree on this one. Arsenal in 2007-08 season finsihed third with 10 more goals than 2nd place Chelsea.
In 2008-09 Arsenal finished 4th with the same amount of goals as ManU & Chelsea. They would score even more if they were more clinical in deadball situations.
Their defending (including goalkeeping) has always been questioned, especially on set plays and in games that need to be won on grit. The goals against in those two seasons reflect this. There is an old saying in the game, 'win the games you suppose to win & beat the champions when it is required". 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on December 06, 2009, 08:29:50 AM
GunnerStunner I listened to an interview with Wenger. He said Arshavin was not happy when he was told he would play upfront. I must admit he looked good, his movement was so intelligent. I think the Gunners have found a potential solution to a penetrative striker.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on December 06, 2009, 11:34:37 AM
It's a pity because a team that plays the way Arsenal do deserves to win some Silverwear. Especially since youth coaches have a tendency to copy the top teams in football. That being said all that needs to be said about Arsenal has already been said. Here is the trend against top teams.

ManCity- 3-0 Cup
Chelsea- 3-0 League
ManCity- 4-2 League
ManU   - 2-1 League              12 Goals Against  -  3 Goals for

I would discount the Carling Cup game, but it still reads 9 against & only 3 scored.


   .....but Observer.....how yuh could say dat arsenal deserve to win some kinda silverware de way dey does play....dem playin small-goal football in a big-goal league....yuh cyah even win respect playin' like dat.....dize like sayin a dead man did deserve to win a gunfight because he knife had look prettier than de other man gun.  ;)

  dem eh winnin' nutting dis season..........again.


We will have to disagree on this one. Arsenal in 2007-08 season finsihed third with 10 more goals than 2nd place Chelsea.
In 2008-09 Arsenal finished 4th with the same amount of goals as ManU & Chelsea. They would score even more if they were more clinical in deadball situations.
Their defending (including goalkeeping) has always been questioned, especially on set plays and in games that need to be won on grit. The goals against in those two seasons reflect this. There is an old saying in the game, 'win the games you suppose to win & beat the champions when it is required". 


   I guess we will have to, because when Chelsea wasn't scoring more than manu, I sure didn't feel they were entitled to winning anything.   I can still remember the Wigan and Spurs games that I pointed to that did Chelsea in when Abramogrant was managing and I always felt that Chelsea needed to score more goals overall to be crowned champions. 
    At the end of the day, barring the uncontrollable events, like injuries, poor refereeing decisions, etc., a team has to play to win, whether it means winning the games they are "supposed" to win or not.  It's all well and good to look at overall stats at the end of the season and say "well, arsenal scored more goals than Chelsea, so therefore,.....blah, blah, blah..." but if arsenal could score 10 against stoke but then against Chelsea in a game they needed and had every chance to win, come and waste a myriad of chances and come out with a shut out loss, playing a setta pretty-but-negative football, then, in my opinion, they don't deserve to win nuthin.  There's a time to be a musketeer with all the pretty sword fighting and there's a time to be like Clint Eastwood and just come out and buss caps!  arsene9 and his band of merry men don't seem to realize after how many years, that all the pretty sword fighting ain't cuttin' it no more.  It's not going to win titles in this day and age.  If yuh have an open shot at goal when yuh in a good position on top de 18, take de fackin' shot and stop trying to turn it into 4 pretty passes to the 6.   
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on December 06, 2009, 11:41:27 AM
pussycat or psa bus?

http://www.youtube.com/v/sHt53Yi8N60

still a over grown pussy cat

its physics yuh poonks, drogba weighs 205 lbs at 6'2" thats pretty solid even by NFL standards for receivers, men who hold off tackles while catching the ball
traore weighs 165lbs at 6'0" thats 40lbs of power mass and velocity less than the ivorian giant feline


  so yuh saying that 10 times outta 10, Traore would NEVER be able to knock over the Ivorian or throw him off his center of gravity, to win a ball in a game, is that correct?  I guess small people like Maradonna and Pato shoulda never even THINK about playin' this game nuh! (and Barry Sanders shoulda never think of playin in de nfl!)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 07, 2009, 06:00:26 AM
pussycat or psa bus?

http://www.youtube.com/v/sHt53Yi8N60

still a over grown pussy cat

its physics yuh poonks, drogba weighs 205 lbs at 6'2" thats pretty solid even by NFL standards for receivers, men who hold off tackles while catching the ball
traore weighs 165lbs at 6'0" thats 40lbs of power mass and velocity less than the ivorian giant feline


  so yuh saying that 10 times outta 10, Traore would NEVER be able to knock over the Ivorian or throw him off his center of gravity, to win a ball in a game, is that correct?  I guess small people like Maradonna and Pato shoulda never even THINK about playin' this game nuh! (and Barry Sanders shoulda never think of playin in de nfl!)

again it is PHYSICS

small solid players have a lower center of gravity, muscle mass makes a diffference i don't know how tall the coke snorting handballing media cussin agentinian is but the low center make him harder to knock off

drogba though tall has a higherframe but his muscle mass allows him to have the advantage of leverage

and 10 out of 10 yes in the exact same sequence of events
change factors like traore positioning, angle of attack and you might get a dif outcome
if traore tackled with his fram lowered might have been different but he tried to bump drogba off and drogba just hit him a lil hip
also velocity these guys arent trotting around when it happens

understand the science
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on December 07, 2009, 02:08:37 PM
Arshavin seems a logical choice ..... Rosicky and Samri can do the things he can do in the midfield but the only one who can creat the things RVP can create up top is Arshavin ...... I think he may not like extra attention particularly as a lone striker and he'll have the less space to play off players like he likes to but they don't have a choice .... he's a small one though I wonder if he can handle the punishment .... Eduardo has guile but not the physical presence and Bendtner isn't smart enough and Walcott unfortunately with all that pace is always injured
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kicker on December 07, 2009, 03:04:08 PM

   I guess we will have to, because when Chelsea wasn't scoring more than manu, I sure didn't feel they were entitled to winning anything.   I can still remember the Wigan and Spurs games that I pointed to that did Chelsea in when Abramogrant was managing and I always felt that Chelsea needed to score more goals overall to be crowned champions. 
    At the end of the day, barring the uncontrollable events, like injuries, poor refereeing decisions, etc., a team has to play to win, whether it means winning the games they are "supposed" to win or not.  It's all well and good to look at overall stats at the end of the season and say "well, arsenal scored more goals than Chelsea, so therefore,.....blah, blah, blah..." but if arsenal could score 10 against stoke but then against Chelsea in a game they needed and had every chance to win, come and waste a myriad of chances and come out with a shut out loss, playing a setta pretty-but-negative football, then, in my opinion, they don't deserve to win nuthin.  There's a time to be a musketeer with all the pretty sword fighting and there's a time to be like Clint Eastwood and just come out and buss caps!  arsene9 and his band of merry men don't seem to realize after how many years, that all the pretty sword fighting ain't cuttin' it no more.  It's not going to win titles in this day and age.  If yuh have an open shot at goal when yuh in a good position on top de 18, take de fackin' shot and stop trying to turn it into 4 pretty passes to the 6.   

Barcelona proved last season that beautiful football can be the most effective as well.  When people think of beautiful football, they focus only on what a team does with the ball...Barca appeared to put just as much focus on what they do when they don't have the ball...In addition to specially gifted players their defensive, ball-winning tenacity is what separated them from the typical "pretty" football team... but it was overshadowed by their attacking flare.  To strike that balance, yuh need a coach with the vision, the correct mix of players, and the chemistry (which yuh really can't teach)...Somewhere in there Arsenal is probably missing something, and that's why they fall short against the giants- not because they're trying to play pretty football...Pretty football is obsolete and need not be compromised, but just complemented with some of the less pretty elements of the modern game.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on December 08, 2009, 08:28:14 AM
Fabregas envious of Blues firepower

http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/10490034/Fabregas-envious-of-Blues-firepower (http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/10490034/Fabregas-envious-of-Blues-firepower)

Cesc Fabregas believes Arsenal are equally as good as Chelsea but lacking a big striker like Didier Drogba that "makes all the difference".

Arsenal have impressed in certain games this season but struggled since losing Robin van Persie and find themselves eight points behind Carlo Ancelotti's table toppers.

Fabregas rates Chelsea as no more than a "normal" team but admits Arsenal lack a player like Drogba and has pointed to the 3-0 Carling Cup defeat to Manchester City as more evidence of the need to increase their attacking options.

He told The Guardian: "Throughout the game (against City) we had a lot of possession but didn't really have anyone to go in behind the defenders, apart from Carlos Vela.

"We had a lot of similar players who like the ball into their feet. Sometimes it's true that you need a different kind of option."

Fabregas argued that a striker with the power and pace of Drogba could lift a team out of the ordinary.

Recalling his side's 3-0 defeat to Chelsea at the Emirates Stadium on November 29, he said: "Overall, I saw a Chelsea team that was normal but a team that has probably the best striker in the world.

"An average team that has the best striker in the world can always do something and Didier Drogba makes all the difference."
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on December 08, 2009, 08:53:31 PM

   I guess we will have to, because when Chelsea wasn't scoring more than manu, I sure didn't feel they were entitled to winning anything.   I can still remember the Wigan and Spurs games that I pointed to that did Chelsea in when Abramogrant was managing and I always felt that Chelsea needed to score more goals overall to be crowned champions. 
    At the end of the day, barring the uncontrollable events, like injuries, poor refereeing decisions, etc., a team has to play to win, whether it means winning the games they are "supposed" to win or not.  It's all well and good to look at overall stats at the end of the season and say "well, arsenal scored more goals than Chelsea, so therefore,.....blah, blah, blah..." but if arsenal could score 10 against stoke but then against Chelsea in a game they needed and had every chance to win, come and waste a myriad of chances and come out with a shut out loss, playing a setta pretty-but-negative football, then, in my opinion, they don't deserve to win nuthin.  There's a time to be a musketeer with all the pretty sword fighting and there's a time to be like Clint Eastwood and just come out and buss caps!  arsene9 and his band of merry men don't seem to realize after how many years, that all the pretty sword fighting ain't cuttin' it no more.  It's not going to win titles in this day and age.  If yuh have an open shot at goal when yuh in a good position on top de 18, take de fackin' shot and stop trying to turn it into 4 pretty passes to the 6.   

Barcelona proved last season that beautiful football can be the most effective as well.  When people think of beautiful football, they focus only on what a team does with the ball...Barca appeared to put just as much focus on what they do when they don't have the ball...In addition to specially gifted players their defensive, ball-winning tenacity is what separated them from the typical "pretty" football team... but it was overshadowed by their attacking flare.  To strike that balance, yuh need a coach with the vision, the correct mix of players, and the chemistry (which yuh really can't teach)...Somewhere in there Arsenal is probably missing something, and that's why they fall short against the giants- not because they're trying to play pretty football...Pretty football is obsolete and need not be compromised, but just complemented with some of the less pretty elements of the modern game.


   You have put it better than I did, but you said exactly what I'm trying to say (along with a couple additional points)  but I will disagree with you in saying that arsenal actually does want to play pretty football.  arsene9 wants to win and he wants to win pretty.  I believe you wanted to say that pretty football is NOT obsolete, and I would agree with you whole-heartedly.  I also agree that a team HAS to strike the right balance of playing with flair and compromising maybe some of that flair by including some of the less-than-pretty elements.......Brazil certainly had to learn that, and Barca has mastered it now for all the world to see.  arsenal has not, (nor has manu, but their brute style works well for them) and I do think that is why they are not winning anything lately.  I watched during the Chelsea game as an arsenal player had a golden opportunity to shoot to goal on a counter-attack with nary a defender within 5-10 yards of him.  What did he do instead?  he passed the ball.  I was relieved and frustrated at the same time.  arsene9 needs to revise his vision if he wants to win trophies again.     
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on December 08, 2009, 09:19:12 PM
mango...you make some good points BUT...arsenal is a team that score the most goals so far in the premiership if i am not mistaken...so i doh see how arsene rethinking, rebooting, rebranding or chainging anything going to bring trophies...arsenal needs to keep the same philosophy but needs to buy one or two more players (arshavin say so, cesc say so and i fully agree as would 99.9% of arsenal fans)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on December 09, 2009, 04:18:26 AM
mango...you make some good points BUT...arsenal is a team that score the most goals so far in the premiership if i am not mistaken...so i doh see how arsene rethinking, rebooting, rebranding or chainging anything going to bring trophies...arsenal needs to keep the same philosophy but needs to buy one or two more players (arshavin say so, cesc say so and i fully agree as would 99.9% of arsenal fans)

   Fari.....I don't really don't expect nor do I suggest that arsene9 rethink, reboot, rebrand or "change"......and that is what I think is the problem.....I don't think arsene9 knows or wants any other way than the way they play now.  arsenal's last round of successes came when they fielded teams that had a little more bite to them and arsene9 has phased that type of player out.  Arshavin and fabregas could talk that talk all they want, I don't expect them to say this system isn't working, but guess what kind of player arsene9 is going to bring in?  More of the same.  He's going to bring a player that matches the personality of this current team and it really won't be enough.  If I am wrong about that, I will gladly acknowledge, but I don't see it happening.  I am all for the beautiful game, so don't get me wrong.  It's just that there really has to be a balance between that and tough, gritty, straightforward football.  It pays to have soft lips and a pretty smile, but it will do you no good if yuh eh have no teeth.  Right now, arsenal is only all about the soft lips and pretty smile. respek.  :beermug: 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kicker on December 09, 2009, 07:27:39 AM

I believe you wanted to say that pretty football is NOT obsolete    

Yeah my bad that's what I meant lol...kinda goes along with the sentiment of my post  ;D :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on December 09, 2009, 07:51:35 AM
mango...you make some good points BUT...arsenal is a team that score the most goals so far in the premiership if i am not mistaken...so i doh see how arsene rethinking, rebooting, rebranding or chainging anything going to bring trophies...arsenal needs to keep the same philosophy but needs to buy one or two more players (arshavin say so, cesc say so and i fully agree as would 99.9% of arsenal fans)

   Fari.....I don't really don't expect nor do I suggest that arsene9 rethink, reboot, rebrand or "change"......and that is what I think is the problem.....I don't think arsene9 knows or wants any other way than the way they play now.  arsenal's last round of successes came when they fielded teams that had a little more bite to them and arsene9 has phased that type of player out.  Arshavin and fabregas could talk that talk all they want, I don't expect them to say this system isn't working, but guess what kind of player arsene9 is going to bring in?  More of the same.  He's going to bring a player that matches the personality of this current team and it really won't be enough.  If I am wrong about that, I will gladly acknowledge, but I don't see it happening.  I am all for the beautiful game, so don't get me wrong.  It's just that there really has to be a balance between that and tough, gritty, straightforward football.  It pays to have soft lips and a pretty smile, but it will do you no good if yuh eh have no teeth.  Right now, arsenal is only all about the soft lips and pretty smile. respek.  :beermug: 

The team that won the league in 2003-2004 was built by Arsene Wenger. So I dont think that Wenger doesnt value bite and grit. He was behind the Vieira and Petit transfers. He was behind the Gilberto and Edu transfers. He also brought players like Song and Flamini to the club. So I think its a bit naive to think that Wenger cant analyse whats going on with his team and know that his team lacks a bit of physical presence/aggression. The man is an experienced coach.

In the year 2009, getting a "Vieira" might just be harder than it was in 1997 - with the inflated transfer prices etc. So maybe Wenger just hasnt been able to get the players he's wanted. I dont know what the situation is with transfer funds and Arsenal, but I doubt that Wenger is just cheap - as people seem to believe. I just think Arsenal cant compete with the Real Madrids, Chelseas, Utds etc financially. So instead of signing the top tier players that these teams would also be going for he has to "settle" for the next best. So basically, when he might really want the 25mil players, he's beaten to them by the richer clubs. Then he's left with the choice of going after the 10mil man (who might not be better than who he already has), or going after a youth that he could potentially mold into a 25mil man (the choice he seems to prefer).

Lastly, if it wasnt for injuries Arsenal would have Diaby, v Persie and Bendtner available. That might not be the total solution, but the attack would have had more physically imposing players against the likes of Chelsea and Man City - which (according to Fabregas, Arshavin etc) seems to be whats lacking at the moment. Do we really think that we know more about the game than them fellas?  Even if you go back and look at Arsenal's losses to Man Utd and Man City earlier in the season and compare them with the loss to Chelsea, you would see that Arsenal wasnt outmuscled against Man Utd or Man City.

Basically, the point I trying to make is that INJURIES and LACK OF DEPTH has put Arsenal in the position they in now (of being too small a side) and not Arsene Wenger's insistence on a certain style of player. If he had a fit Bendtner, v Persie or Diaby to throw into the side against Chelsea to give them a bit more height and size he would have. The man not that naive and I would bet he know more about what Arsenal missing than you and me. So to come here and talk about he just want to play pretty - yadda yadda yadda - is a set a stupid talk.

After all, didnt Wenger go after Yaya Toure in the summer?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kicker on December 09, 2009, 09:27:02 AM

The team that won the league in 2003-2004 was built by Arsene Wenger. So I dont think that Wenger doesnt value bite and grit. He was behind the Vieira and Petit transfers. He was behind the Gilberto and Edu transfers. He also brought players like Song and Flamini to the club. So I think its a bit naive to think that Wenger cant analyse whats going on with his team and know that his team lacks a bit of physical presence/aggression. The man is an experienced coach.

In the year 2009, getting a "Vieira" might just be harder than it was in 1997 - with the inflated transfer prices etc. So maybe Wenger just hasnt been able to get the players he's wanted. I dont know what the situation is with transfer funds and Arsenal, but I doubt that Wenger is just cheap - as people seem to believe. I just think Arsenal cant compete with the Real Madrids, Chelseas, Utds etc financially. So instead of signing the top tier players that these teams would also be going for he has to "settle" for the next best. So basically, when he might really want the 25mil players, he's beaten to them by the richer clubs. Then he's left with the choice of going after the 10mil man (who might not be better than who he already has), or going after a youth that he could potentially mold into a 25mil man (the choice he seems to prefer).

Lastly, if it wasnt for injuries Arsenal would have Diaby, v Persie and Bendtner available. That might not be the total solution, but the attack would have had more physically imposing players against the likes of Chelsea and Man City - which (according to Fabregas, Arshavin etc) seems to be whats lacking at the moment. Do we really think that we know more about the game than them fellas?  Even if you go back and look at Arsenal's losses to Man Utd and Man City earlier in the season and compare them with the loss to Chelsea, you would see that Arsenal wasnt outmuscled against Man Utd or Man City.

Basically, the point I trying to make is that INJURIES and LACK OF DEPTH has put Arsenal in the position they in now (of being too small a side) and not Arsene Wenger's insistence on a certain style of player. If he had a fit Bendtner, v Persie or Diaby to throw into the side against Chelsea to give them a bit more height and size he would have. The man not that naive and I would bet he know more about what Arsenal missing than you and me. So to come here and talk about he just want to play pretty - yadda yadda yadda - is a set a stupid talk.

After all, didnt Wenger go after Yaya Toure in the summer?

hahah ah was waitin' fuh yuh to come and defend yuh side/manager....

I agree with what you're saying, and of course Wenger knows what it takes to win... Like I said in my earlier post, the kind of football that Arsenal plays is a difficult brand in the modern game where players are so much more athletic, and the game is so much more tactical- It takes a very delicate balance of the right type of players, ALOT of chemistry, and an element of tenacity (particularly on the defensive end), and some luck to make it work.... I go back to Barca- they got it right last season, and even so a stubborn, athletic and tactical Chelsea nearly sent them packing in the CL...but Barca's unsung quality was their workrate to win the ball back when they lost it...their obvious quality was their outstanding individual players, and the above average sense of chemistry that they happened to between their players (that's fortuitous because yuh can't teach it or force it)... Arsenal could use a couple players here and there to deepen the roster, add more muscle yadda yadda (but so can every team)...But like every other team trying to play spectator football, they just need to keep working at it, up the intensity of their team defense and drill it to function like clockwork, hope that the chemistry in attack  clicks...and that luck shines on them when they need it most- all of which and more I'm sure Arsene is doing in training (except for the luck part)- whether it works or not, remains to be seen because on the other side of the half line yuh have another general fine tuning his troops- different approach perhaps- same intent. 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on December 09, 2009, 01:24:03 PM
mango...you make some good points BUT...arsenal is a team that score the most goals so far in the premiership if i am not mistaken...so i doh see how arsene rethinking, rebooting, rebranding or chainging anything going to bring trophies...arsenal needs to keep the same philosophy but needs to buy one or two more players (arshavin say so, cesc say so and i fully agree as would 99.9% of arsenal fans)

   Fari.....I don't really don't expect nor do I suggest that arsene9 rethink, reboot, rebrand or "change"......and that is what I think is the problem.....I don't think arsene9 knows or wants any other way than the way they play now.  arsenal's last round of successes came when they fielded teams that had a little more bite to them and arsene9 has phased that type of player out.  Arshavin and fabregas could talk that talk all they want, I don't expect them to say this system isn't working, but guess what kind of player arsene9 is going to bring in?  More of the same.  He's going to bring a player that matches the personality of this current team and it really won't be enough.  If I am wrong about that, I will gladly acknowledge, but I don't see it happening.  I am all for the beautiful game, so don't get me wrong.  It's just that there really has to be a balance between that and tough, gritty, straightforward football.  It pays to have soft lips and a pretty smile, but it will do you no good if yuh eh have no teeth.  Right now, arsenal is only all about the soft lips and pretty smile. respek.  :beermug: 

The team that won the league in 2003-2004 was built by Arsene Wenger. So I dont think that Wenger doesnt value bite and grit. He was behind the Vieira and Petit transfers. He was behind the Gilberto and Edu transfers. He also brought players like Song and Flamini to the club. So I think its a bit naive to think that Wenger cant analyse whats going on with his team and know that his team lacks a bit of physical presence/aggression. The man is an experienced coach.

In the year 2009, getting a "Vieira" might just be harder than it was in 1997 - with the inflated transfer prices etc. So maybe Wenger just hasnt been able to get the players he's wanted. I dont know what the situation is with transfer funds and Arsenal, but I doubt that Wenger is just cheap - as people seem to believe. I just think Arsenal cant compete with the Real Madrids, Chelseas, Utds etc financially. So instead of signing the top tier players that these teams would also be going for he has to "settle" for the next best. So basically, when he might really want the 25mil players, he's beaten to them by the richer clubs. Then he's left with the choice of going after the 10mil man (who might not be better than who he already has), or going after a youth that he could potentially mold into a 25mil man (the choice he seems to prefer).

Lastly, if it wasnt for injuries Arsenal would have Diaby, v Persie and Bendtner available. That might not be the total solution, but the attack would have had more physically imposing players against the likes of Chelsea and Man City - which (according to Fabregas, Arshavin etc) seems to be whats lacking at the moment. Do we really think that we know more about the game than them fellas?  Even if you go back and look at Arsenal's losses to Man Utd and Man City earlier in the season and compare them with the loss to Chelsea, you would see that Arsenal wasnt outmuscled against Man Utd or Man City.

Basically, the point I trying to make is that INJURIES and LACK OF DEPTH has put Arsenal in the position they in now (of being too small a side) and not Arsene Wenger's insistence on a certain style of player. If he had a fit Bendtner, v Persie or Diaby to throw into the side against Chelsea to give them a bit more height and size he would have. The man not that naive and I would bet he know more about what Arsenal missing than you and me. So to come here and talk about he just want to play pretty - yadda yadda yadda - is a set a stupid talk.

After all, didnt Wenger go after Yaya Toure in the summer?


When I say "....he doesn't know..any other way" I don't mean it, in terms of his knowledge of the game.  I am implying his stubbornness in sticking with the "pretty football" as he is being "criticised" for.  No one on this or any other forum is ever implying that they know more than a man of arsene9's level......well....there is one jackass poster that act like he know more than GOD......anyway.. Injuries affects everybody.  Chelsea lost the backbone of their central defense in Terry and Carvalho AND both their top choice GK's AND Michael Essien, AND other key players but still came in a not-too-distant second to manu. Yes arsene9 has been behind certain transfers but the transformation of this team has been evident and I don't think that it is by accident.   As far as arsene9 being cheap.....well, we all know that he is, let's see how long they can keep that up, especially with them just having built that new stadium and probably raising ticket prices every year just like everybody else. 

   At the end of the day, though, don't get me wrong at all, arsenal play very beautiful football and I will even give fabregas his due credit of being that player that has some of that "bite" that I am talking about, (I just think it's plenty misdirected) and he's not a big player.  You don't need to be "big", but their philosophy seems to be a little to elaborate year after year after year.   But I can reason with what Kicker is saying.....maybe we should wait and see.  Time will tell.     
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on December 09, 2009, 02:09:06 PM
When I say "....he doesn't know..any other way" I don't mean it, in terms of his knowledge of the game.  I am implying his stubbornness in sticking with the "pretty football" as he is being "criticised" for.  No one on this or any other forum is ever implying that they know more than a man of arsene9's level......well....there is one jackass poster that act like he know more than GOD......anyway.. Injuries affects everybody.  Chelsea lost the backbone of their central defense in Terry and Carvalho AND both their top choice GK's AND Michael Essien, AND other key players but still came in a not-too-distant second to manu. Yes arsene9 has been behind certain transfers but the transformation of this team has been evident and I don't think that it is by accident.   As far as arsene9 being cheap.....well, we all know that he is, let's see how long they can keep that up, especially with them just having built that new stadium and probably raising ticket prices every year just like everybody else. 

   At the end of the day, though, don't get me wrong at all, arsenal play very beautiful football and I will even give fabregas his due credit of being that player that has some of that "bite" that I am talking about, (I just think it's plenty misdirected) and he's not a big player.  You don't need to be "big", but their philosophy seems to be a little to elaborate year after year after year.   But I can reason with what Kicker is saying.....maybe we should wait and see.  Time will tell.     

Well, I said injuries and lack of depth. Arsenal doesnt have the depth Chelsea has.

But what do you mean by "pretty football" tho? Cause with their "pretty football", Arsenal are consistently among the highest scoring teams in the league. And Barcelona played real "pretty football" and won everything last season. As kicker said, they did that by combining their flowing attacking play with strong, aggressive defence.

So basically, I dont find it makes sense to say that Arsenal isnt winning because they only want to play pretty football. Because Barca showed that you can do it and win. Unless youre trying to say that once you add an element of strong defence to your team, youre no longer playing pretty football. If that's what you mean, then ok. But I dont see pretty football and strong defence as being mutually exclusive.

I think Arsene Wenger has not been able to find the right balance in the team. Maybe he hasnt gotten the players he wanted. Maybe he expected certain players to develop faster than they did. Maybe he simply got it wrong with his tactical approach in crucial games. And you have to admit, he's also had to deal with a lot of injury problems over the last few seasons. (The season Eduardo broke his leg, they looked on course to take the title).

But to come out and say Arsenal isnt winning because Wenger doesnt know any other way than pretty football is just ole talk I find. Because as I said, the prettiest side won everything last season. And as I mentioned in the previous post (referring the winning team he built in the past), there's also a lot of evidence that shows that Wenger does know something else and does have the ability to find the right balance. He just hasnt gotten things right in recent years for whatever reasons - whether it be injuries, transfer limitations etc.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on December 09, 2009, 02:28:08 PM
When I say "....he doesn't know..any other way" I don't mean it, in terms of his knowledge of the game.  I am implying his stubbornness in sticking with the "pretty football" as he is being "criticised" for.  No one on this or any other forum is ever implying that they know more than a man of arsene9's level......well....there is one jackass poster that act like he know more than GOD......anyway.. Injuries affects everybody.  Chelsea lost the backbone of their central defense in Terry and Carvalho AND both their top choice GK's AND Michael Essien, AND other key players but still came in a not-too-distant second to manu. Yes arsene9 has been behind certain transfers but the transformation of this team has been evident and I don't think that it is by accident.   As far as arsene9 being cheap.....well, we all know that he is, let's see how long they can keep that up, especially with them just having built that new stadium and probably raising ticket prices every year just like everybody else. 

   At the end of the day, though, don't get me wrong at all, arsenal play very beautiful football and I will even give fabregas his due credit of being that player that has some of that "bite" that I am talking about, (I just think it's plenty misdirected) and he's not a big player.  You don't need to be "big", but their philosophy seems to be a little to elaborate year after year after year.   But I can reason with what Kicker is saying.....maybe we should wait and see.  Time will tell.     

Well, I said injuries and lack of depth. Arsenal doesnt have the depth Chelsea has.

But what do you mean by "pretty football" tho? Cause with their "pretty football", Arsenal are consistently among the highest scoring teams in the league. And Barcelona played real "pretty football" and won everything last season. As kicker said, they did that by combining their flowing attacking play with strong, aggressive defence.

So basically, I dont find it makes sense to say that Arsenal isnt winning because they only want to play pretty football. Because Barca showed that you can do it and win. Unless youre trying to say that once you add an element of strong defence to your team, youre no longer playing pretty football. If that's what you mean, then ok. But I dont see pretty football and strong defence as being mutually exclusive.

I think Arsene Wenger has not been able to find the right balance in the team. Maybe he hasnt gotten the players he wanted. Maybe he expected certain players to develop faster than they did. Maybe he simply got it wrong with his tactical approach in crucial games. And you have to admit, he's also had to deal with a lot of injury problems over the last few seasons. (The season Eduardo broke his leg, they looked on course to take the title).

But to come out and say Arsenal isnt winning because Wenger doesnt know any other way than pretty football is just ole talk I find. Because as I said, the prettiest side won everything last season. And as I mentioned in the previous post (referring the winning team he built in the past), there's also a lot of evidence that shows that Wenger does know something else and does have the ability to find the right balance. He just hasnt gotten things right in recent years for whatever reasons - whether it be injuries, transfer limitations etc.


  You're missing the point entirely while even reinforcing some of the same things I'm saying.  Watch them win nothing again this year.....and please don't on one post, admit that arsene9 is cheap when it comes to buying players and then using "transfer limitations" on another as an obstacle to acquiring "expensive" players. 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kicker on December 09, 2009, 03:05:09 PM
  You're missing the point entirely while even reinforcing some of the same things I'm saying.  Watch them win nothing again this year.....and please don't on one post, admit that arsene9 is cheap when it comes to buying players and then using "transfer limitations" on another as an obstacle to acquiring "expensive" players. 

In all fairness Mango, he addressed what you were saying... and he didn't flip flop on the Arsene being cheap thing- from the first post he said:

I doubt that Wenger is just cheap - as people seem to believe. I just think Arsenal cant compete with the Real Madrids, Chelseas, Utds etc financially. 

I think you clarified what you meant by "Arsene doesn't know any other way"...it was more a figurative way of saying that he stands behind a certain football philosophy when another might yield him better results...and you may be right, but that you can argue to the end of time...  It's also difficult to compare ramifications of injuries across teams because depth or no depth certain teams function better than others depending on the role that the injured player plays in a team, and the influence that he (player lost to injury) has....The more balanced/even the influence across the roster, the better teams will do in injury crisis...e.g. Two teams could have 11 world class players, and 9 role players (i.e. same absolute depth)...but be affected totally differently by the loss of 4 of their world class players, if there are different levels of influence and dependency on those players......Chelsea, apart from being deep seems to be more balanced than Arsenal as far as the level of dependence/influence certain players have...(i.e. the disparity between the influence of Arsenal's big players, and their role players is probably larger in comparison than the same disparity at Chelsea- and that could be a function of how the team is built, and relationships are fostered on and off the field.... depth, or no depth notwithstanding)....which is probably why they (Chelsea) lose less of step when they call on the replacements.

Ah like this discussion...I doh have a team in the EPL, but I take a fairly close interest in Arsenal because there is something about their perceived culture and approach to the game that I'm drawn to- interesting to hear the opinions.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on December 09, 2009, 03:38:17 PM
  You're missing the point entirely while even reinforcing some of the same things I'm saying.  Watch them win nothing again this year.....and please don't on one post, admit that arsene9 is cheap when it comes to buying players and then using "transfer limitations" on another as an obstacle to acquiring "expensive" players. 

In all fairness Mango, he addressed what you were saying... and he didn't flip flop on the Arsene being cheap thing- from the first post he said:

I doubt that Wenger is just cheap - as people seem to believe. I just think Arsenal cant compete with the Real Madrids, Chelseas, Utds etc financially. 

I think you clarified what you meant by "Arsene doesn't know any other way"...it was more a figurative way of saying that he stands behind a certain football philosophy when another might yield him better results...and you may be right, but that you can argue to the end of time...  It's also difficult to compare ramifications of injuries across teams because depth or no depth certain teams function, better than others depending on the role that the injured player plays in a team, and the influence that they have...Chelsea, apart from being deep seems to be more balanced than Arsenal as far as the level of influence certain players have...(i.e. the disparity between the influence of Arsenal's big players, and their role players is probably larger in comparison than the same disparity at Chelsea- and that could be a function of how the team is built depth, or no depth notwithstanding)....which is probably why they (Chelsea) lose less of step when they call on the replacements.

Ah like this discussion...I doh have a team in the EPL, but I take a fairly close interest in Arsenal because there is something about their perceived culture and approach to the game that I'm drawn to- interesting to hear the opinions.

    I hear yuh, Kicker, but why I don't agree with him on the transfer limitations thing is simply because I really don't believe that arsenal can't compete on he transfer market with Chelsea, Manu, etc., as he suggested. They choose not to, and if it's a choice that they've made, then their choices have to reap the necessary results to show their fans that they mean business.......well, on the pitch, too, not just in the box office.  I mean, Emirates Stadium cost a whole lotta munny.  They had munny for that......and if it is that it's a stadium that was built or subsidized through public funding, well, that's a whole lot of munny saved.  We not talking about some third tier regional team that has just climbed its way to top-tier football.  This is arsenal.  One of the world's most popular and England's biggest clubs of all time.  Surely they could have brought in ONE big named player over the last few years......I like the Arshavin buy....somebody that I think would fit right in and represent that "balance" that we're talking about would be Marseille's captain, Mamadou Niang.
He shoots, he scores, he can dribble, he's a natural leader that works very hard on the field and he is an imposing (mental) physical presence on the field.

  As far as the injuries go, all what you're saying is so true, that at the end of the day, no one can put a real value on how they affect any one or more teams and compare it to another, and that's why the only thing one can say about that is that it affects everybody. But....for all the dynamics you explained regarding that, it still comes down to the management of the team and whose responsibility is that?  Not arsene9?  Chelsea just lost Essien yesterday (and Kalou the other day)....no matter how deep we are, there's no replacing him (even though I suspect he'll only be injured over the duration of the African Cup of Nations, if that long)  :devil: 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on December 09, 2009, 03:39:59 PM
  You're missing the point entirely while even reinforcing some of the same things I'm saying.  Watch them win nothing again this year.....and please don't on one post, admit that arsene9 is cheap when it comes to buying players and then using "transfer limitations" on another as an obstacle to acquiring "expensive" players. 

In all fairness Mango, he addressed what you were saying... and he didn't flip flop on the Arsene being cheap thing- from the first post he said:

I doubt that Wenger is just cheap - as people seem to believe. I just think Arsenal cant compete with the Real Madrids, Chelseas, Utds etc financially. 

I think you clarified what you meant by "Arsene doesn't know any other way"...it was more a figurative way of saying that he stands behind a certain football philosophy when another might yield him better results...and you may be right, but that you can argue to the end of time...  It's also difficult to compare ramifications of injuries across teams because depth or no depth certain teams function better than others depending on the role that the injured player plays in a team, and the influence that he (player lost to injury) has....The more balanced/even the influence across the roster, the better teams will do in injury crisis...e.g. Two teams could have 11 world class players, and 9 role players (i.e. same absolute depth)...but be affected totally differently by the loss of 4 of their world class players, if there are different levels of influence and dependency on those players......Chelsea, apart from being deep seems to be more balanced than Arsenal as far as the level of dependence/influence certain players have...(i.e. the disparity between the influence of Arsenal's big players, and their role players is probably larger in comparison than the same disparity at Chelsea- and that could be a function of how the team is built, and relationships are fostered on and off the field.... depth, or no depth notwithstanding)....which is probably why they (Chelsea) lose less of step when they call on the replacements.

Ah like this discussion...I doh have a team in the EPL, but I take a fairly close interest in Arsenal because there is something about their perceived culture and approach to the game that I'm drawn to- interesting to hear the opinions.

But what I trying to say is it is not the philosophy that causing arsenal to fail! Because the same"pretty football" philosophy saw Arsenal win in 2003-04 and saw Barcelona win everything last year. When Arsenal had Pires, Henry, Lungberg, Bergkamp, Kanu etc they were playing an attacking, free flowing brand. And they won. Barcelona had the prettiest brand last season. And they won. The thing is both those sides have more balanced teams.

I dont see it as the philosophy thats changed. What changed is Arsenal's ability to bring a player like Henry, Vieira etc to the club. When Vieira came to Arsenal, the foreign influx in the epl wasnt as it was today and he costs a relative small transfer fee. In todays times he would cost 20 mil and Arsenal would be priced out. So now Wenger has adapted his transfer policy and goes after youths and what top tiered players he can attract.

So basically thats why I asked what do you mean by pretty football? Cause maybe thats where I interpreting it wrong. If pretty football is playing like barca, but w/o the defensive tenacity, then that dont make sense. That could never be a football philosophy!

What makes more sense to me is that he has a philosophy but hasnt been able to bring in the right balance of players to make it most effective.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on December 09, 2009, 03:50:21 PM
  You're missing the point entirely while even reinforcing some of the same things I'm saying.  Watch them win nothing again this year.....and please don't on one post, admit that arsene9 is cheap when it comes to buying players and then using "transfer limitations" on another as an obstacle to acquiring "expensive" players. 

In all fairness Mango, he addressed what you were saying... and he didn't flip flop on the Arsene being cheap thing- from the first post he said:

I doubt that Wenger is just cheap - as people seem to believe. I just think Arsenal cant compete with the Real Madrids, Chelseas, Utds etc financially. 

I think you clarified what you meant by "Arsene doesn't know any other way"...it was more a figurative way of saying that he stands behind a certain football philosophy when another might yield him better results...and you may be right, but that you can argue to the end of time...  It's also difficult to compare ramifications of injuries across teams because depth or no depth certain teams function, better than others depending on the role that the injured player plays in a team, and the influence that they have...Chelsea, apart from being deep seems to be more balanced than Arsenal as far as the level of influence certain players have...(i.e. the disparity between the influence of Arsenal's big players, and their role players is probably larger in comparison than the same disparity at Chelsea- and that could be a function of how the team is built depth, or no depth notwithstanding)....which is probably why they (Chelsea) lose less of step when they call on the replacements.

Ah like this discussion...I doh have a team in the EPL, but I take a fairly close interest in Arsenal because there is something about their perceived culture and approach to the game that I'm drawn to- interesting to hear the opinions.

    I hear yuh, Kicker, but why I don't agree with him on the transfer limitations thing is simply because I really don't believe that arsenal can't compete on he transfer market with Chelsea, Manu, etc., as he suggested. They choose not to, and if it's a choice that they've made, then their choices have to reap the necessary results to show their fans that they mean business.......well, on the pitch, too, not just in the box office.  I mean, Emirates Stadium cost a whole lotta munny.  They had munny for that......and if it is that it's a stadium that was built or subsidized through public funding, well, that's a whole lot of munny saved.  We not talking about some third tier regional team that has just climbed its way to top-tier football.  This is arsenal.  One of the world's most popular and England's biggest clubs of all time.  Surely they could have brought in ONE big named player over the last few years......I like the Arshavin buy....somebody that I think would fit right in and represent that "balance" that we're talking about would be Marseille's captain, Mamadou Niang.
He shoots, he scores, he can dribble, he's a natural leader that works very hard on the field and he is an imposing (mental) physical presence on the field.

  As far as the injuries go, all what you're saying is so true, that at the end of the day, no one can put a real value on how they affect any one or more teams and compare it to another, and that's why the only thing one can say about that is that it affects everybody. But....for all the dynamics you explained regarding that, it still comes down to the management of the team and whose responsibility is that?  Not arsene9?  Chelsea just lost Essien yesterday (and Kalou the other day)....no matter how deep we are, there's no replacing him (even though I suspect he'll only be injured over the duration of the African Cup of Nations, if that long)  :devil: 

In a sense Arsene Wenger has chosen not to compete - in that the club refuses to bring an billionaire owner on the board to finance big transfers. But as a result of their business model they dont have the kind of transfer budget that Chelsea, Real or a Man City has.

But the main point I am taking issue with is the whole talk about Arsenal philosophy of "pretty football".
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on December 09, 2009, 03:59:04 PM
  You're missing the point entirely while even reinforcing some of the same things I'm saying.  Watch them win nothing again this year.....and please don't on one post, admit that arsene9 is cheap when it comes to buying players and then using "transfer limitations" on another as an obstacle to acquiring "expensive" players. 

In all fairness Mango, he addressed what you were saying... and he didn't flip flop on the Arsene being cheap thing- from the first post he said:

I doubt that Wenger is just cheap - as people seem to believe. I just think Arsenal cant compete with the Real Madrids, Chelseas, Utds etc financially. 

I think you clarified what you meant by "Arsene doesn't know any other way"...it was more a figurative way of saying that he stands behind a certain football philosophy when another might yield him better results...and you may be right, but that you can argue to the end of time...  It's also difficult to compare ramifications of injuries across teams because depth or no depth certain teams function better than others depending on the role that the injured player plays in a team, and the influence that he (player lost to injury) has....The more balanced/even the influence across the roster, the better teams will do in injury crisis...e.g. Two teams could have 11 world class players, and 9 role players (i.e. same absolute depth)...but be affected totally differently by the loss of 4 of their world class players, if there are different levels of influence and dependency on those players......Chelsea, apart from being deep seems to be more balanced than Arsenal as far as the level of dependence/influence certain players have...(i.e. the disparity between the influence of Arsenal's big players, and their role players is probably larger in comparison than the same disparity at Chelsea- and that could be a function of how the team is built, and relationships are fostered on and off the field.... depth, or no depth notwithstanding)....which is probably why they (Chelsea) lose less of step when they call on the replacements.

Ah like this discussion...I doh have a team in the EPL, but I take a fairly close interest in Arsenal because there is something about their perceived culture and approach to the game that I'm drawn to- interesting to hear the opinions.

But what I trying to say is it is not the philosophy that causing arsenal to fail! Because the same"pretty football" philosophy saw Arsenal win in 2003-04 and saw Barcelona win everything last year. When Arsenal had Pires, Henry, Lungberg, Bergkamp, Kanu etc they were playing an attacking, free flowing brand. And they won. Barcelona had the prettiest brand last season. And they won. The thing is both those sides have more balanced teams.

I dont see it as the philosophy thats changed. What changed is Arsenal's ability to bring a player like Henry, Vieira etc to the club. When Vieira came to Arsenal, the foreign influx in the epl wasnt as it was today and he costs a relative small transfer fee. In todays times he would cost 20 mil and Arsenal would be priced out. So now Wenger has adapted his transfer policy and goes after youths and what top tiered players he can attract.

So basically thats why I asked what do you mean by pretty football? Cause maybe thats where I interpreting it wrong. If pretty football is playing like barca, but w/o the defensive tenacity, then that dont make sense. That could never be a football philosophy!

What makes more sense to me is that he has a philosophy but hasnt been able to bring in the right balance of players to make it most effective.


 dwn, my so-called criticism of the pretty football, as I call it, is arsenal's seeming desire to over elaborate their passing game every time the getting chances to score.  That's it in a nutshell.  I know I only gave ONE example of it during the Chelsea game but it epitomized my "frustration" with them (no I am not an arsenal fan).  You kep making the comparison to Barcelona as being a team that plays "pretty football"....no, not like arsenal does it.  Puyol, Toure and Abidal biting man when they have to.  Xavi and Inieasta, besides their incredible talent, have a work rate that don't give opposing midfields much ease if any.  Their frontline speaks for itself and what's more....their "pretty football" works for them.  Barca might have a few slip ups or maybe even a bad season or two, but they always find their way back.  Look at how they embarrassed inter the other day.  Inter is a big side.  arsenal need for their philosophy (injuries notwithstanding) to do the same to other big sides.  Maybe it's coming soon. 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Deeks on December 09, 2009, 04:14:09 PM
There was a time when opposing teams use to chant "boring, boring" when they played Arsenal. How time have changed.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Blue on December 09, 2009, 05:03:12 PM
Arsene doing what he does best tonight...putting out a juvenile side to play great passing football and then lose.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on December 09, 2009, 05:13:30 PM
dwn, my so-called criticism of the pretty football, as I call it, is arsenal's seeming desire to over elaborate their passing game every time the getting chances to score.  That's it in a nutshell.  I know I only gave ONE example of it during the Chelsea game but it epitomized my "frustration" with them (no I am not an arsenal fan).  You kep making the comparison to Barcelona as being a team that plays "pretty football"....no, not like arsenal does it.  Puyol, Toure and Abidal biting man when they have to.  Xavi and Inieasta, besides their incredible talent, have a work rate that don't give opposing midfields much ease if any.  Their frontline speaks for itself and what's more....their "pretty football" works for them.  Barca might have a few slip ups or maybe even a bad season or two, but they always find their way back.  Look at how they embarrassed inter the other day.  Inter is a big side.  arsenal need for their philosophy (injuries notwithstanding) to do the same to other big sides.  Maybe it's coming soon. 

right, i hear you.

its just that i highly doubt that arsene wenger wants his players to over play and over elaborate when they get chances to score. so i really dont think that short comings like the players' inefficiency when they get into scoring positions can be categorized as part of arsene wenger's philosophy. that's all i trying to say.

as an arsenal fan it frustrates me more  :(
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on December 09, 2009, 05:16:33 PM
There was a time when opposing teams use to chant "boring, boring" when they played Arsenal. How time have changed.

Exactly Wenger for me is a top class manager without doubt. Most of the teams in football that are winning consistently are doing so simply due to dollars. In Italy Inter, England ManU or Chelski, France Lyon, etc etc.
Wenger use youths for the Carling Cup and has consistently been in the final 4, at the CL level he is in the semi's and in EPL top 4. The problem is people want more, due to their success because of Wenger. The fact is Arsenal were never more consistent until Wenger, played the most boring football before Wenger and the club is doing the business within its means. Now having said all that, I rather watch them than most teams in the EPL that spend way way more dollars and still play consistent shit.

PS Wenger did the right thing today considering his injury list.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on December 09, 2009, 09:12:33 PM
dwn, my so-called criticism of the pretty football, as I call it, is arsenal's seeming desire to over elaborate their passing game every time the getting chances to score.  That's it in a nutshell.  I know I only gave ONE example of it during the Chelsea game but it epitomized my "frustration" with them (no I am not an arsenal fan).  You kep making the comparison to Barcelona as being a team that plays "pretty football"....no, not like arsenal does it.  Puyol, Toure and Abidal biting man when they have to.  Xavi and Inieasta, besides their incredible talent, have a work rate that don't give opposing midfields much ease if any.  Their frontline speaks for itself and what's more....their "pretty football" works for them.  Barca might have a few slip ups or maybe even a bad season or two, but they always find their way back.  Look at how they embarrassed inter the other day.  Inter is a big side.  arsenal need for their philosophy (injuries notwithstanding) to do the same to other big sides.  Maybe it's coming soon. 

right, i hear you.

its just that i highly doubt that arsene wenger wants his players to over play and over elaborate when they get chances to score. so i really dont think that short comings like the players' inefficiency when they get into scoring positions can be categorized as part of arsene wenger's philosophy. that's all i trying to say.

as an arsenal fan it frustrates me more  :(

  I hear you, but ultimately it's still him have them playing that way, so when players are seemingly playing an over elaborate passing game....they are executing arsene9's philosophy so you can't separate him from it....
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Big Magician on December 09, 2009, 10:59:41 PM
allyuh ever read Wenger's biography...great book
plus it have something called the Emirates Stadium....

and I hate arsenal  eh
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on December 10, 2009, 07:07:18 AM
dwn, my so-called criticism of the pretty football, as I call it, is arsenal's seeming desire to over elaborate their passing game every time the getting chances to score.  That's it in a nutshell.  I know I only gave ONE example of it during the Chelsea game but it epitomized my "frustration" with them (no I am not an arsenal fan).  You kep making the comparison to Barcelona as being a team that plays "pretty football"....no, not like arsenal does it.  Puyol, Toure and Abidal biting man when they have to.  Xavi and Inieasta, besides their incredible talent, have a work rate that don't give opposing midfields much ease if any.  Their frontline speaks for itself and what's more....their "pretty football" works for them.  Barca might have a few slip ups or maybe even a bad season or two, but they always find their way back.  Look at how they embarrassed inter the other day.  Inter is a big side.  arsenal need for their philosophy (injuries notwithstanding) to do the same to other big sides.  Maybe it's coming soon. 

right, i hear you.

its just that i highly doubt that arsene wenger wants his players to over play and over elaborate when they get chances to score. so i really dont think that short comings like the players' inefficiency when they get into scoring positions can be categorized as part of arsene wenger's philosophy. that's all i trying to say.

as an arsenal fan it frustrates me more  :(

  I hear you, but ultimately it's still him have them playing that way, so when players are seemingly playing an over elaborate passing game....they are executing arsene9's philosophy so you can't separate him from it....


Chow ah can't understand your side of the story. Right now Arsenal leading the league in goals scored and has been among the top scoring teams in every year under Wenger. The actual problem is though they scoring goals, they leaking goals at an alarming rate. The fact that the players don't shoot might just be the current players and not Wenger. Hleb is a good example of that. Regardless what club he has played for, he simply refuses to shoot. Unlike lets say Batti goal who just like to shoot from any distance or angle.
That have nothing to do with the coach.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on December 10, 2009, 06:46:08 PM
dwn, my so-called criticism of the pretty football, as I call it, is arsenal's seeming desire to over elaborate their passing game every time the getting chances to score.  That's it in a nutshell.  I know I only gave ONE example of it during the Chelsea game but it epitomized my "frustration" with them (no I am not an arsenal fan).  You kep making the comparison to Barcelona as being a team that plays "pretty football"....no, not like arsenal does it.  Puyol, Toure and Abidal biting man when they have to.  Xavi and Inieasta, besides their incredible talent, have a work rate that don't give opposing midfields much ease if any.  Their frontline speaks for itself and what's more....their "pretty football" works for them.  Barca might have a few slip ups or maybe even a bad season or two, but they always find their way back.  Look at how they embarrassed inter the other day.  Inter is a big side.  arsenal need for their philosophy (injuries notwithstanding) to do the same to other big sides.  Maybe it's coming soon. 

right, i hear you.

its just that i highly doubt that arsene wenger wants his players to over play and over elaborate when they get chances to score. so i really dont think that short comings like the players' inefficiency when they get into scoring positions can be categorized as part of arsene wenger's philosophy. that's all i trying to say.

as an arsenal fan it frustrates me more  :(

  I hear you, but ultimately it's still him have them playing that way, so when players are seemingly playing an over elaborate passing game....they are executing arsene9's philosophy so you can't separate him from it....


Chow ah can't understand your side of the story. Right now Arsenal leading the league in goals scored and has been among the top scoring teams in every year under Wenger. The actual problem is though they scoring goals, they leaking goals at an alarming rate. The fact that the players don't shoot might just be the current players and not Wenger. Hleb is a good example of that. Regardless what club he has played for, he simply refuses to shoot. Unlike lets say Batti goal who just like to shoot from any distance or angle.
That have nothing to do with the coach.


   Ok, Observer, I will use Hleb as the example, since you pick he.  You say he left arsenal and STILL don't shoot, right?  Well that means that he didn't like to shoot since before he came to arsenal. The coach knew before he brought him to arsenal that he didn't like to shoot and he still brought him because he felt Hleb fit right in with whatever philosophy he wants to project of this team.  I think you kinda misunderstanding the gist of what I am saying.  I simply gave one CLEAR example during the Chelsea game of how an arsenal player had an open shot at goal with only Petr Cech in front of him and that player made an ill-advised pass into the strength of Chelsea;s defense.....I am merely reinforcing in some slight way, the criticism that has been (by general consensus) leveled at arsenal over the past season or two: they play a bit too much of the over elaborate passing game for their own good.  It's not winning anything for them.  I ain't the first person to comment on it and I probably ain't going to be the last.  As I alluded to in a previous post on the thread, It's all well and good that they are running up scores against Stoke, Burnley, Portsmouth, and Co., but when they draw a blank against teams they really have to win against, like Chelsea, (and, I repeat) in a game where they had clear cut chances to score, but chose to go the fancy route instead, then I disagree with your assertion that they "deserve" silverware.  Bullshit!  They "deserve" what they earn. As  it is, their style or philosophy has not earned them anything in the last few years......and that's just what they "deserve".   Maybe that will change this year.   A coach is not particularly responsible for individual choices made by his players on the pitch.....but, at the end of the day and over a collective season, they are playing in accordance of his "philosophy".  Respek.  :beermug:   
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on December 11, 2009, 07:19:27 AM
   Ok, Observer, I will use Hleb as the example, since you pick he.  You say he left arsenal and STILL don't shoot, right?  Well that means that he didn't like to shoot since before he came to arsenal. The coach knew before he brought him to arsenal that he didn't like to shoot and he still brought him because he felt Hleb fit right in with whatever philosophy he wants to project of this team.  I think you kinda misunderstanding the gist of what I am saying.  I simply gave one CLEAR example during the Chelsea game of how an arsenal player had an open shot at goal with only Petr Cech in front of him and that player made an ill-advised pass into the strength of Chelsea;s defense.....I am merely reinforcing in some slight way, the criticism that has been (by general consensus) leveled at arsenal over the past season or two: they play a bit too much of the over elaborate passing game for their own good.  It's not winning anything for them.  I ain't the first person to comment on it and I probably ain't going to be the last.  As I alluded to in a previous post on the thread, It's all well and good that they are running up scores against Stoke, Burnley, Portsmouth, and Co., but when they draw a blank against teams they really have to win against, like Chelsea, (and, I repeat) in a game where they had clear cut chances to score, but chose to go the fancy route instead, then I disagree with your assertion that they "deserve" silverware.  Bullshit!  They "deserve" what they earn. As  it is, their style or philosophy has not earned them anything in the last few years......and that's just what they "deserve".   Maybe that will change this year.   A coach is not particularly responsible for individual choices made by his players on the pitch.....but, at the end of the day and over a collective season, they are playing in accordance of his "philosophy".  Respek.  :beermug:   

I think its their defensive problems that are costing them more than their elaborate passing game. Arsenal scores goals in almost every game and is consistently one of the highest scoring teams in the league. BUT Arsenal doesnt keep as many clean sheets as Chelsea or Man Utd. And I think thats what has costed them lately. And in my opinion, it's not so much their back four but their midfield. They dont have enough midfielders with defensive qualities, so their back four no protection. Their goalkeepers havent been the best either.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on December 11, 2009, 11:16:25 AM
Agreed! Goal keeping and depth at central defender & defensive midfield.

This is what I am saying, their stats show it.
In 2004-05 They finished 2nd. Scoring a wopping 87 Goals but gave up 36. They actually scored 15 more goals than champs Chelsea, but gave up an astonishing 21 more than Chelsea.

The last time Arsenal won the League was the last time their goals against was in the  20's. Since that they have hit the 30's for goals against. So it stands to reason----------
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on December 11, 2009, 08:40:11 PM
I find the Italian 3rd string is the best one........but Almunia is the man, I guess.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on December 12, 2009, 01:25:53 PM
Ok Arsene.
Man U Loss, Chelsea draw. Time to make up some ground.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on December 12, 2009, 02:13:28 PM
I find the Italian 3rd string is the best one........but Almunia is the man, I guess.

I feel Fabianski is better than Mannone right now. But Szczesny will overtake them in not too long. He's the youngest too. He had an unfortunate setback and was out for 6 months. Broke both arms when a weights bar fell on him in the gym.

Arsene f*** up by not getting Given for a few years until one of the young ones ready to take over.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 12, 2009, 06:57:32 PM
given or cudichini woulda been brilliant between the sticks
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 12, 2009, 06:59:06 PM
allyuh ever read Wenger's biography...great book
plus it have something called the Emirates Stadium....

and I hate arsenal  eh
i bet he write it too without ah ghost writer like the rest of them brain dead ppl in football

das ok big mag, somebody has to love manu

big up the villa today lol see why van der sar is allyuh best player lol
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 12, 2009, 07:02:46 PM
Arsene doing what he does best tonight...putting out a juvenile side to play great passing football and then lose.

????? you are a numb skull

arsenal already qualified
the youngster got valuable experience
played with pride commitment and could have taken a point or three had it not been for vela wasting two and ramsay's effort cleared off the line
also you fail to realise what these youths were facing and where
it was away in greece at olympiacos stadium, a very hostile venue for ANY away team far less a side who's average age was 20
so really come with better ponts of discussion than rum shop rhetoric
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on December 12, 2009, 10:17:12 PM
Arsene doing what he does best tonight...putting out a juvenile side to play great passing football and then lose.

????? you are a numb skull

arsenal already qualified
the youngster got valuable experience
played with pride commitment and could have taken a point or three had it not been for vela wasting two and ramsay's effort cleared off the line
also you fail to realise what these youths were facing and where
it was away in greece at olympiacos stadium, a very hostile venue for ANY away team far less a side who's average age was 20
so really come with better ponts of discussion than rum shop rhetoric

With all the injuries we have he would be an arse to put out a first team when top spot in the group is secured.

Average age of 20 (with one man being 32), away to Olympiacos. That team included youths who not even in the reserve team, or play Carling Cup football. That experience is invaluable. Playing youths like Gilbert, Bartley, Ayling, Tom Cruise will benefit more than playing first choice and risking injury. And this experience will do the world of good to Vela, Merida, Ramsey, Wilshere. Even Sunu get a little run out.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: WestCoast on December 13, 2009, 09:29:37 AM
BIG match today
Arseanal vs Liverpuddle ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on December 13, 2009, 09:33:53 AM
I find the Italian 3rd string is the best one........but Almunia is the man, I guess.

Mannone started off well. Had a huge performance against Fulham and it was starting to look like Almunia would be getting competition for the #1 spot. But truth is, Mannone flaps are shots and crosses that he should be holding and had luck on his side in those great performances. Eventually ended up being at fault for a few goals and lost his spot. Dont think he ready yet.

allyuh ever read Wenger's biography...great book
plus it have something called the Emirates Stadium....

and I hate arsenal  eh
i bet he write it too without ah ghost writer like the rest of them brain dead ppl in football

Currently reading one called 'Pure Genius' by Tom Oldfield. But I know there is more than one Wenger bio. So it might not be the one BM talking about.

Got to go to the Emirates Stadium a couple weeks ago. Was great  :beermug:

given or cudichini woulda been brilliant between the sticks

Cudicini? Nah man!

I find the Italian 3rd string is the best one........but Almunia is the man, I guess.

I feel Fabianski is better than Mannone right now. But Szczesny will overtake them in not too long. He's the youngest too. He had an unfortunate setback and was out for 6 months. Broke both arms when a weights bar fell on him in the gym.

Arsene f*** up by not getting Given for a few years until one of the young ones ready to take over.

Who you think better between Almunia and Fabianski?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on December 13, 2009, 10:08:39 AM
Men need to calm down, they trying to play too fast.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on December 13, 2009, 10:10:07 AM
I find the Italian 3rd string is the best one........but Almunia is the man, I guess.

Mannone started off well. Had a huge performance against Fulham and it was starting to look like Almunia would be getting competition for the #1 spot. But truth is, Mannone flaps are shots and crosses that he should be holding and had luck on his side in those great performances. Eventually ended up being at fault for a few goals and lost his spot. Dont think he ready yet.


  Fair enough....I only saw what little I did of him in the beginning and I find he looked impressive, but I can take what you're saying as I haven't seen all his games



given or cudichini woulda been brilliant between the sticks

Cudicini? Nah man!



  I agree....Either of them, as good as they are, would only be a short term fix and against arsene9's youthful philosophy Given's price tag would have gone against the tight pocket policy arsenal have.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on December 13, 2009, 10:15:15 AM
Gallas kick nothing but air. 90% of the time that is a penalty
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: WestCoast on December 13, 2009, 10:19:36 AM
Gallas kick nothing but air. 90% of the time that is a penalty
agreed
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on December 13, 2009, 10:33:37 AM
Gallas kick nothing but air. 90% of the time that is a penalty

At first I thought Gerrard lost control of the ball and fell over Gallas. In slow mo it looked a penalty.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on December 13, 2009, 10:39:52 AM
Gallas kick nothing but air. 90% of the time that is a penalty

At first I thought Gerrard lost control of the ball and fell over Gallas. In slow mo it looked a penalty.

I think Gerrard did lose control of the ball. If you look at the slo-mo, by the time Gerrard goes down the ball is near the endline, he was never going to get there.

For the first time this season, Liverpool look like Liverpool. You can see a squad that should be challenging for the title.
Also for the first time this season Arsenal look out of sorts.  Liverpool not letting them pass the ball around. The pace of the game does not suit them at all.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on December 13, 2009, 10:40:48 AM
....but isn't a foul a foul?  I not sure what Gerrard losing control of the ball has to do with it especially in this case......Don't referees call fouls and give cards for off-the-ball infractions?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on December 13, 2009, 10:47:00 AM
Almunia eff that up royally. 1-0 Liverpool.

Watch how Arsene pan go be sour now. Sucking limes.

An what I saying is that Gallas didn't kick Gerrard. So Would it have been a foul outside the Area. Regardless, if men didn't dive so much, these decisions would be easier.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on December 13, 2009, 10:51:21 AM
Almunia eff that up royally. 1-0 Liverpool.

Watch how Arsene pan go be sour now. Sucking limes.

An what I saying is that Gallas didn't kick Gerrard. So Would it have been a foul outside the Area. Regardless, if men didn't dive so much, these decisions would be easier.

  .....He didn't kick him, but he impeded his progress....now I like what you said in the end and I will even concede that Gerrard look like he was going down no matter what....but in this case I think it was at leas half a dozen of both and liverpool coulda/shoulda still gotten the penalty.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on December 13, 2009, 10:52:18 AM
I think Gerrard did lose control of the ball. If you look at the slo-mo, by the time Gerrard goes down the ball is near the endline, he was never going to get there.

Control should only matter if it's a question of clear, goal-scoring opportunity.  A foul is a foul... extremely clumsy tackle by Galas.  Howard Webb swallow he whistle there and on a couple other occasions.  Denilson lucky to still be on the pitch and Arsenal lucky to be down only one goal.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: WestCoast on December 13, 2009, 10:53:25 AM
Almunia eff that up royally. 1-0 Liverpool.

Watch how Arsene pan go be sour now. Sucking limes.

An what I saying is that Gallas didn't kick Gerrard. So Would it have been a foul outside the Area. Regardless, if men didn't dive so much, these decisions would be easier.

  .....He didn't kick him, but he impeded his progress....now I like what you said in the end and I will even concede that Gerrard look like he was going down no matter what....but in this case I think it was at leas half a dozen of both and liverpool coulda/shoulda still gotten the penalty.
to me it was a blatant impede therefore, if not a penalty, there should have been a yellow shown
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on December 13, 2009, 11:10:11 AM
The only Luck Liverpool have is bad luck....
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: WestCoast on December 13, 2009, 11:17:58 AM
 :o
Goal Boi!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on December 13, 2009, 11:18:11 AM
Bad luck times 2!!!!!


Arshavin!!!!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on December 13, 2009, 11:24:48 AM
Torres showing a lot of rust


Nice to have Xabi back at Anfield... even if in the stands  ::)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on December 13, 2009, 11:35:28 AM
Almunia feel he is a bird? He only flapping at every cross.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on December 13, 2009, 11:37:36 AM
Gallas kick nothing but air. 90% of the time that is a penalty

At first I thought Gerrard lost control of the ball and fell over Gallas. In slow mo it looked a penalty.

I think Gerrard did lose control of the ball. If you look at the slo-mo, by the time Gerrard goes down the ball is near the endline, he was never going to get there.

For the first time this season, Liverpool look like Liverpool. You can see a squad that should be challenging for the title.
Also for the first time this season Arsenal look out of sorts.  Liverpool not letting them pass the ball around. The pace of the game does not suit them at all.

I agree. It's not a penalty if he has no hope of retrieving the ball. By the time Gerrard falls over the ball is on the way out.
The same happened when we played United. Yes Rooney dived, but when he went down the ball was already in the stands. Therefore, the penalty was wrongly given.
Man can't just kick away the ball and dive into a challenge to get a penalty.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on December 13, 2009, 11:42:11 AM
I find the Italian 3rd string is the best one........but Almunia is the man, I guess.

Mannone started off well. Had a huge performance against Fulham and it was starting to look like Almunia would be getting competition for the #1 spot. But truth is, Mannone flaps are shots and crosses that he should be holding and had luck on his side in those great performances. Eventually ended up being at fault for a few goals and lost his spot. Dont think he ready yet.

allyuh ever read Wenger's biography...great book
plus it have something called the Emirates Stadium....

and I hate arsenal  eh
i bet he write it too without ah ghost writer like the rest of them brain dead ppl in football

Currently reading one called 'Pure Genius' by Tom Oldfield. But I know there is more than one Wenger bio. So it might not be the one BM talking about.

Got to go to the Emirates Stadium a couple weeks ago. Was great  :beermug:

given or cudichini woulda been brilliant between the sticks

Cudicini? Nah man!

I find the Italian 3rd string is the best one........but Almunia is the man, I guess.

I feel Fabianski is better than Mannone right now. But Szczesny will overtake them in not too long. He's the youngest too. He had an unfortunate setback and was out for 6 months. Broke both arms when a weights bar fell on him in the gym.

Arsene f*** up by not getting Given for a few years until one of the young ones ready to take over.

Who you think better between Almunia and Fabianski?


Fabianski is better. He is a better shot stopper, and he comes out for crosses. Almunia is very average. He usually makes the saves he is expected to make, nothing more, and is terrible on crosses.

The only thing Fabianski needs to work on is his decision making. The complete opposite of Almunia, he's off his line for everything. Sometimes it gets him in trouble, say FA cup semi against Chelsea.

When he was younger it was said of him: "Fabianski doesn't just command his penalty area, he commands his half!"
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on December 13, 2009, 11:46:59 AM
Silvestre coming on in a real match? Arsene feeling ill?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on December 13, 2009, 11:55:45 AM
That is the first game this season we see Arsenal fight back in a big game.

The more I see Song the more impressed I am.

Liverpool were bossing this game and then just seemed to lose the plot at 1/2 time.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on December 13, 2009, 12:04:06 PM
That is the first game this season we see Arsenal fight back in a big game.
Benitez probably saying the same thing

The more I see Song the more impressed I am.
Yeah, he is far more composed than his uncle....

Liverpool were bossing this game and then just seemed to lose the plot at 1/2 time.
I think Benitez has taken this team as far as they can go.  It doesn't seem as though he
had them prepared for any fight arsenal might have mustered  in the second half. 
Gerrard playing very uninspired football, which, to me, is what he's actually best at.
 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on December 13, 2009, 12:04:19 PM
Silvestre came on due to an injury.

Arsenal got it right in the second half. Wenger pinned back Johnson and pressed higher up the pitch. Arshavin and Nasri ran miles today especially in pressing & tracking.  Agreed on Song he was solid and his passing improving.  For once this season Arsenal  seem to ketch a break in a big game, especially when Fabregas was not at his best.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on December 13, 2009, 12:06:03 PM
When he was younger it was said of him: "Fabianski doesn't just command his penalty area, he commands his half!"

 ;D

I think he might be better than Almunia too.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on December 13, 2009, 12:07:41 PM
That is the first game this season we see Arsenal fight back in a big game.

The more I see Song the more impressed I am.

Liverpool were bossing this game and then just seemed to lose the plot at 1/2 time.

Song is the most improved player I've seen over the last couple years.
Hopefully Arsenal can keep him!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on December 13, 2009, 12:07:55 PM
When he was younger it was said of him: "Fabianski doesn't just command his penalty area, he commands his half!"

 ;D

I think he might be better than Almunia too.

  Now allyuh have meh wanting to see de man play!  :D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on December 13, 2009, 12:16:24 PM
When he was younger it was said of him: "Fabianski doesn't just command his penalty area, he commands his half!"

 ;D

I think he might be better than Almunia too.

  Now allyuh have meh wanting to see de man play!  :D

He is only 24 too which is very young for a keeper. He played in the Champions League game in midweek and did very well.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on December 13, 2009, 12:21:25 PM
So we obviously need a center forward in January ... based on who available .. who would you take over:

Van Nistelrooy
Luca Toni
Adriano

Hopefully Wenger tries to get Adriano ... he's hungry and will play for a world cup place.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on December 13, 2009, 12:23:55 PM
So we obviously need a center forward in January ... based on who available .. who would you take over:

Van Nistelrooy
Luca Toni
Adriano

Hopefully Wenger tries to get Adriano ... he's hungry and will play for a world cup place.

Van Nistelrooy - based on how I remember him.
Since I haven't seen him play for a while.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on December 13, 2009, 12:40:01 PM
So we obviously need a center forward in January ... based on who available .. who would you take over:

Van Nistelrooy
Luca Toni
Adriano

Hopefully Wenger tries to get Adriano ... he's hungry and will play for a world cup place.

Van Nistelrooy - based on how I remember him.
Since I haven't seen him play for a while.

I guess we can add Huntelaar to that list.

I hear Madrid trying to offload Benzema .. but they will want as much money as they get robbed for.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on December 13, 2009, 08:04:29 PM
So we obviously need a center forward in January ... based on who available .. who would you take over:

Van Nistelrooy
Luca Toni
Adriano

Hopefully Wenger tries to get Adriano ... he's hungry and will play for a world cup place.

Van Nistelrooy - based on how I remember him.
Since I haven't seen him play for a while.

I guess we can add Huntelaar to that list.

I hear Madrid trying to offload Benzema .. but they will want as much money as they get robbed for.

Apparently Van der Vaart is a target.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 13, 2009, 09:12:09 PM
if gerrard v gallas was a penalty then rooney v almunia was definitely a penalty

any time a player toe pokes the ball away then goes down is playing for a penalty when not actually fouled

however rooney got booked for diving in the area yesterday finally
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on December 13, 2009, 09:25:03 PM
if gerrard v gallas was a penalty then rooney v almunia was definitely a penalty

any time a player toe pokes the ball away then goes down is playing for a penalty when not actually fouled

however rooney got booked for diving in the area yesterday finally

    Rooney was diving but almunia was in no man's land anyway......Once a GK makes the decision to dive at a player's feet, he better get his timing right and play the ball because he is fully committed to that tackle and players nowadays no longer skip over the 'keeper to go after the ball....they will make sure and "create" contact and go down for the penalty and these dumb ass refs don't know how to tell the difference between real contact and pseudo contact.  Galas' tackle was a foul, whether or not Gerrard woulda been content to go down for the penalty.  The two plays aren't as similar and/or comparable as you think they are.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on December 13, 2009, 09:37:05 PM
if gerrard v gallas was a penalty then rooney v almunia was definitely a penalty

any time a player toe pokes the ball away then goes down is playing for a penalty when not actually fouled

however rooney got booked for diving in the area yesterday finally

    Rooney was diving but almunia was in no man's land anyway......Once a GK makes the decision to dive at a player's feet, he better get his timing right and play the ball because he is fully committed to that tackle and players nowadays no longer skip over the 'keeper to go after the ball....they will make sure and "create" contact and go down for the penalty and these dumb ass refs don't know how to tell the difference between real contact and pseudo contact.  Galas' tackle was a foul, whether or not Gerrard woulda been content to go down for the penalty.  The two plays aren't as similar and/or comparable as you think they are.

I don't think they were that similar either. Rooney played for the penalty. I think Gerrard was fouled.
Either way, I blame Almunia for the first one and Gallas get away today.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on December 14, 2009, 12:23:24 AM
That will kill me if Ruud goes to Arsenal

My favourite player ever.....but I agree..If you want a goal scoring machine..buy the man

RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUD!

Also..we are coming for your little Russian in the Summer...with an offer he can't resist...winning trophies with big experienced players...something he's been crying about over the past weeks

SOS to United...we are coming lad..be patient
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on December 14, 2009, 06:44:30 AM
So we obviously need a center forward in January ... based on who available .. who would you take over:

Van Nistelrooy
Luca Toni
Adriano

Hopefully Wenger tries to get Adriano ... he's hungry and will play for a world cup place.

Van Nistelrooy - based on how I remember him.
Since I haven't seen him play for a while.

I guess we can add Huntelaar to that list.

I hear Madrid trying to offload Benzema .. but they will want as much money as they get robbed for.

Apparently Van der Vaart is a target.



I've always liked VDV but do we really need another midfielder?
What we need is a CF who can hold up play, and bring others into the game. Notice how at the begining of the season we were scoring goals for fun, and even though RVP wasn't scoring much at the start his link-up play was superb.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kicker on December 14, 2009, 09:19:19 AM
Van Der Vaart has been a dud at Madrid- not impressed with him at all...preferred Wesley Sneijder...Madrid let the wrong man go in my opinion. 

Gallas was lucky on the pk call because he made no contact with the ball, and clearly obstructed SG, but Gerard lost control of the ball before he was touch, so a scoring chance wasn't really denied....

Yuh could argue that all day.   
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on December 14, 2009, 09:30:48 AM
Van Der Vaart has been a dud at Madrid- not impressed with him at all...preferred Wesley Sneijder...Madrid let the wrong man go in my opinion. 

Gallas was lucky on the pk call because he made no contact with the ball, and clearly obstructed SG, but Gerard lost control of the ball before he was touch, so a scoring chance wasn't really denied....

Yuh could argue that all day.   

Madrid made a bad move letting Sneijder go. I'm very suprised VDV stayed. There was alot of talk about him moving to Chelsea, they've always been interested.

Did VDV really get a chance at Madrid though, all I remember from last season was bench. But he does have quality. He just needs to rediscover the form he had at Ajax and Hamburg.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on December 14, 2009, 09:48:37 AM
Gallas was lucky on the pk call because he made no contact with the ball, and clearly obstructed SG, but Gerard lost control of the ball before he was touch, so a scoring chance wasn't really denied....

Yuh could argue all kinda things, in the end the ref is the person who have to decide if is a penalty or not in real time. Like I said before, the decisions would be easier if players didn't dive. We saw the flip-side of the diving thing when Denilson stuck out his foot and Johnson went past instead of feeling the touch and going down like he'd been shot by the gunman on the grassy knoll.

(http://www.arcadja.com/artmagazine/en/wp-content/gallery/080924-rcapa/robert-capa.jpg)
It was a foul ref!

The flip-side of the ref's job is the "penalty" against Espanyol. Xavi wasn't touched, looked like some normal jostling and then he stumbled and fell over. No foul! Except the ref runs up and calls a penalty. Much like the long debate about Henry's "Hand of Gaul" goal, should Xavi have gone to the ref and say "no foul, it's a goal kick."
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kicker on December 14, 2009, 10:00:26 AM
Van Der Vaart has been a dud at Madrid- not impressed with him at all...preferred Wesley Sneijder...Madrid let the wrong man go in my opinion. 

Gallas was lucky on the pk call because he made no contact with the ball, and clearly obstructed SG, but Gerard lost control of the ball before he was touch, so a scoring chance wasn't really denied....

Yuh could argue that all day.   

Madrid made a bad move letting Sneijder go. I'm very suprised VDV stayed. There was alot of talk about him moving to Chelsea, they've always been interested.

Did VDV really get a chance at Madrid though, all I remember from last season was bench. But he does have quality. He just needs to rediscover the form he had at Ajax and Hamburg.

He was somewhat of a fringe player from the start, and when given the chance, never showed why he should be anything but...

No doubt he has quality- he comes with a high price tag, and a good resume- just doesn't seem to fit in at Madrid it seems...though this season he's getting a "decent" run out...coach looking to build some confidence in him I suppose.  He played most of the game at Valencia this weekend.... 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Peong on December 14, 2009, 12:25:54 PM
Much like the long debate about Henry's "Hand of Gaul" goal, should Xavi have gone to the ref and say "no foul, it's a goal kick."

I've seen it happen once.
It takes a big man to do it.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on December 14, 2009, 04:35:26 PM
Arsenal lil Russian ent going nowhere he like this team too much ........ he'll win trophies right here .... I do think we a solid def mid as well as another solid central defender and perhaps another striker
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on December 14, 2009, 04:36:21 PM
cant believe allyuh men really rating Song..

he is a poor man's Obi Mikel.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 14, 2009, 10:19:07 PM
cant believe allyuh men really rating Song..

he is a poor man's Obi Mikel.

please stop coming on this thread and making such retarded statements

anyway the proof is in the pudding see who has a bigger influence on their national sides in january
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: elan on December 14, 2009, 10:46:25 PM
cant believe allyuh men really rating Song..

he is a poor man's Obi Mikel.

Who is Song?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on December 15, 2009, 12:05:05 AM
cant believe allyuh men really rating Song..

he is a poor man's Obi Mikel.

please stop coming on this thread and making such retarded statements

anyway the proof is in the pudding see who has a bigger influence on their national sides in january

    You are late, Padnah.  John Obi Mikel has been a major influence on his national side for more than 3 years now.  He was regarded as Nigeria's best player last time he participated in CAF and is regarded as one of Nigeria's best players...........but wait.....why am I wasting my time?   
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on December 15, 2009, 07:13:01 AM
my word...for a supposedly losing side such as arsenal that "cyah win anything" and is a "sh-t side" it is surprising to me that all these chelsea fans ALWAYS have something to say.  you would think that the chelsea thread woulda have like 100, 000 posts on it.  i mean chelsea have the world's greatest players and going to win EVERY trophy this season.   hear nah chelsea fans, stop souring we lil thread with alyuh rhetoric nah...or is it that alyuh just biding time to jump on the arsenal band wagon when the wheels fall off the chelsea bus.

oh and about the song comment...most of the articles i have read on various sporting websites have been full of praise for his performances.  anyone who has watched the gunners over the last year or so can see the strides song has made in terms of composure, playing the right pass, breaking up play etc. (the loan spell at charlton did him a world of good)  nobody ever say he was john obi mikel, and frankly no one cares if he is mikel, song is an arsenal player, he does his work and is quite good at it.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on December 15, 2009, 10:34:31 AM
my word...for a supposedly losing side such as arsenal that "cyah win anything" and is a "sh-t side" it is surprising to me that all these chelsea fans ALWAYS have something to say.  you would think that the chelsea thread woulda have like 100, 000 posts on it.  i mean chelsea have the world's greatest players and going to win EVERY trophy this season.   hear nah chelsea fans, stop souring we lil thread with alyuh rhetoric nah...or is it that alyuh just biding time to jump on the arsenal band wagon when the wheels fall off the chelsea bus.

oh and about the song comment...most of the articles i have read on various sporting websites have been full of praise for his performances.  anyone who has watched the gunners over the last year or so can see the strides song has made in terms of composure, playing the right pass, breaking up play etc. (the loan spell at charlton did him a world of good)  nobody ever say he was john obi mikel, and frankly no one cares if he is mikel, song is an arsenal player, he does his work and is quite good at it.

what happen this thread is ah cult or wha? what is with the "our thread" talk?

if you only want to hear certain kinda opinions then go and post on the official arsenal board. is the same deal for the chelsea, man u and liverpool threads, rival fans must chook some fire and the resident fans will bias the scene..

brother i am a fan of football first, i have my side but that don't stop me from watching other teams and formulating an opinion on players.

As for Song.. I've looked at him play a number of times and while i agree he has improved over the last few seasons, imo he is not the requisite quality for a club that supposed to be EPL and champs league title contenders.

He looks very good against weaker opposition, but he gets glaringly exposed in the bigger games.. His touch and speed of thought not up there with the best.. he does get advantage in midfield and leave holes in the middle (see chelsea 4 arsenal 1 last season), he is prone to lapses and losses in possession/concentration (see Man City 4 Arsenal 2).. He doh put in no crunching tackles and he is not an imposing force.. To put it another way, how much do you think he would command in the transfer market?

Basically he is a good player, fair to fine with a chance of showers.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kicker on December 15, 2009, 11:23:42 AM

Basically he is a good player, fair to fine with a chance of showers.

Basically you're saying that he's actually a great player......but only when seas are slight to moderate with waves up to 2 metres in open waters and less than one metre in sheltered areas...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: elan on December 15, 2009, 01:07:32 PM

Basically he is a good player, fair to fine with a chance of showers.

Basically you're saying that he's actually a great player......but only when seas are slight to moderate with waves up to 2 metres in open waters and less than one metre in sheltered areas...

I thought alyuh was talking about Song didn't know was Rooney.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on December 15, 2009, 05:17:33 PM
my word...for a supposedly losing side such as arsenal that "cyah win anything" and is a "sh-t side" it is surprising to me that all these chelsea fans ALWAYS have something to say.  you would think that the chelsea thread woulda have like 100, 000 posts on it.  i mean chelsea have the world's greatest players and going to win EVERY trophy this season.   hear nah chelsea fans, stop souring we lil thread with alyuh rhetoric nah...or is it that alyuh just biding time to jump on the arsenal band wagon when the wheels fall off the chelsea bus.

oh and about the song comment...most of the articles i have read on various sporting websites have been full of praise for his performances.  anyone who has watched the gunners over the last year or so can see the strides song has made in terms of composure, playing the right pass, breaking up play etc. (the loan spell at charlton did him a world of good)  nobody ever say he was john obi mikel, and frankly no one cares if he is mikel, song is an arsenal player, he does his work and is quite good at it.

what happen this thread is ah cult or wha? what is with the "our thread" talk?

if you only want to hear certain kinda opinions then go and post on the official arsenal board. is the same deal for the chelsea, man u and liverpool threads, rival fans must chook some fire and the resident fans will bias the scene..

brother i am a fan of football first, i have my side but that don't stop me from watching other teams and formulating an opinion on players.

As for Song.. I've looked at him play a number of times and while i agree he has improved over the last few seasons, imo he is not the requisite quality for a club that supposed to be EPL and champs league title contenders.

He looks very good against weaker opposition, but he gets glaringly exposed in the bigger games.. His touch and speed of thought not up there with the best.. he does get advantage in midfield and leave holes in the middle (see chelsea 4 arsenal 1 last season), he is prone to lapses and losses in possession/concentration (see Man City 4 Arsenal 2).. He doh put in no crunching tackles and he is not an imposing force.. To put it another way, how much do you think he would command in the transfer market?

Basically he is a good player, fair to fine with a chance of showers.

It would be interesting to see how the young Song would look with the likes of Essien, playing next to him
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: SOBRIQUET on December 15, 2009, 06:56:07 PM
my word...for a supposedly losing side such as arsenal that "cyah win anything" and is a "sh-t side" it is surprising to me that all these chelsea fans ALWAYS have something to say.  you would think that the chelsea thread woulda have like 100, 000 posts on it.  i mean chelsea have the world's greatest players and going to win EVERY trophy this season.   hear nah chelsea fans, stop souring we lil thread with alyuh rhetoric nah...or is it that alyuh just biding time to jump on the arsenal band wagon when the wheels fall off the chelsea bus.

oh and about the song comment...most of the articles i have read on various sporting websites have been full of praise for his performances.  anyone who has watched the gunners over the last year or so can see the strides song has made in terms of composure, playing the right pass, breaking up play etc. (the loan spell at charlton did him a world of good)  nobody ever say he was john obi mikel, and frankly no one cares if he is mikel, song is an arsenal player, he does his work and is quite good at it.

what happen this thread is ah cult or wha? what is with the "our thread" talk?

if you only want to hear certain kinda opinions then go and post on the official arsenal board. is the same deal for the chelsea, man u and liverpool threads, rival fans must chook some fire and the resident fans will bias the scene..

brother i am a fan of football first, i have my side but that don't stop me from watching other teams and formulating an opinion on players.

As for Song.. I've looked at him play a number of times and while i agree he has improved over the last few seasons, imo he is not the requisite quality for a club that supposed to be EPL and champs league title contenders.

He looks very good against weaker opposition, but he gets glaringly exposed in the bigger games.. His touch and speed of thought not up there with the best.. he does get advantage in midfield and leave holes in the middle (see chelsea 4 arsenal 1 last season), he is prone to lapses and losses in possession/concentration (see Man City 4 Arsenal 2).. He doh put in no crunching tackles and he is not an imposing force.. To put it another way, how much do you think he would command in the transfer market?

Basically he is a good player, fair to fine with a chance of showers.

It would be interesting to see how the young Song would look with the likes of Essien, playing next to him

yup... because Mikel was born with Essien strapped to he back... allyuh bruddas good oui....
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on December 15, 2009, 08:25:24 PM
my word...for a supposedly losing side such as arsenal that "cyah win anything" and is a "sh-t side" it is surprising to me that all these chelsea fans ALWAYS have something to say.  you would think that the chelsea thread woulda have like 100, 000 posts on it.  i mean chelsea have the world's greatest players and going to win EVERY trophy this season.   hear nah chelsea fans, stop souring we lil thread with alyuh rhetoric nah...or is it that alyuh just biding time to jump on the arsenal band wagon when the wheels fall off the chelsea bus.

oh and about the song comment...most of the articles i have read on various sporting websites have been full of praise for his performances.  anyone who has watched the gunners over the last year or so can see the strides song has made in terms of composure, playing the right pass, breaking up play etc. (the loan spell at charlton did him a world of good)  nobody ever say he was john obi mikel, and frankly no one cares if he is mikel, song is an arsenal player, he does his work and is quite good at it.

what happen this thread is ah cult or wha? what is with the "our thread" talk?

if you only want to hear certain kinda opinions then go and post on the official arsenal board. is the same deal for the chelsea, man u and liverpool threads, rival fans must chook some fire and the resident fans will bias the scene..

brother i am a fan of football first, i have my side but that don't stop me from watching other teams and formulating an opinion on players.

As for Song.. I've looked at him play a number of times and while i agree he has improved over the last few seasons, imo he is not the requisite quality for a club that supposed to be EPL and champs league title contenders.

He looks very good against weaker opposition, but he gets glaringly exposed in the bigger games.. His touch and speed of thought not up there with the best.. he does get advantage in midfield and leave holes in the middle (see chelsea 4 arsenal 1 last season), he is prone to lapses and losses in possession/concentration (see Man City 4 Arsenal 2).. He doh put in no crunching tackles and he is not an imposing force.. To put it another way, how much do you think he would command in the transfer market?

Basically he is a good player, fair to fine with a chance of showers.

It would be interesting to see how the young Song would look with the likes of Essien, playing next to him

yup... because Mikel was born with Essien strapped to he back... allyuh bruddas good oui....


  ....and he does play for Nigeria with Essien strapped to he back, too. lol! 
Observer jes' chookin' fiire. lol!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on December 15, 2009, 10:54:37 PM
my word...for a supposedly losing side such as arsenal that "cyah win anything" and is a "sh-t side" it is surprising to me that all these chelsea fans ALWAYS have something to say.  you would think that the chelsea thread woulda have like 100, 000 posts on it.  i mean chelsea have the world's greatest players and going to win EVERY trophy this season.   hear nah chelsea fans, stop souring we lil thread with alyuh rhetoric nah...or is it that alyuh just biding time to jump on the arsenal band wagon when the wheels fall off the chelsea bus.

oh and about the song comment...most of the articles i have read on various sporting websites have been full of praise for his performances.  anyone who has watched the gunners over the last year or so can see the strides song has made in terms of composure, playing the right pass, breaking up play etc. (the loan spell at charlton did him a world of good)  nobody ever say he was john obi mikel, and frankly no one cares if he is mikel, song is an arsenal player, he does his work and is quite good at it.

what happen this thread is ah cult or wha? what is with the "our thread" talk?

if you only want to hear certain kinda opinions then go and post on the official arsenal board. is the same deal for the chelsea, man u and liverpool threads, rival fans must chook some fire and the resident fans will bias the scene..

brother i am a fan of football first, i have my side but that don't stop me from watching other teams and formulating an opinion on players.

As for Song.. I've looked at him play a number of times and while i agree he has improved over the last few seasons, imo he is not the requisite quality for a club that supposed to be EPL and champs league title contenders.

He looks very good against weaker opposition, but he gets glaringly exposed in the bigger games.. His touch and speed of thought not up there with the best.. he does get advantage in midfield and leave holes in the middle (see chelsea 4 arsenal 1 last season), he is prone to lapses and losses in possession/concentration (see Man City 4 Arsenal 2).. He doh put in no crunching tackles and he is not an imposing force.. To put it another way, how much do you think he would command in the transfer market?

Basically he is a good player, fair to fine with a chance of showers.

It would be interesting to see how the young Song would look with the likes of Essien, playing next to him

Song would never play with the likes of Essien because they play the same position.. that hypothetical is ah either or situation.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 16, 2009, 04:45:38 AM
away to burnley to day, denilson and traore out
eboue in
other than that side is ok to fface burnley and we need to take 3 points to keep the pressure on
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on December 16, 2009, 10:55:40 AM
my word...for a supposedly losing side such as arsenal that "cyah win anything" and is a "sh-t side" it is surprising to me that all these chelsea fans ALWAYS have something to say.  you would think that the chelsea thread woulda have like 100, 000 posts on it.  i mean chelsea have the world's greatest players and going to win EVERY trophy this season.   hear nah chelsea fans, stop souring we lil thread with alyuh rhetoric nah...or is it that alyuh just biding time to jump on the arsenal band wagon when the wheels fall off the chelsea bus.

oh and about the song comment...most of the articles i have read on various sporting websites have been full of praise for his performances.  anyone who has watched the gunners over the last year or so can see the strides song has made in terms of composure, playing the right pass, breaking up play etc. (the loan spell at charlton did him a world of good)  nobody ever say he was john obi mikel, and frankly no one cares if he is mikel, song is an arsenal player, he does his work and is quite good at it.

what happen this thread is ah cult or wha? what is with the "our thread" talk?

if you only want to hear certain kinda opinions then go and post on the official arsenal board. is the same deal for the chelsea, man u and liverpool threads, rival fans must chook some fire and the resident fans will bias the scene..

brother i am a fan of football first, i have my side but that don't stop me from watching other teams and formulating an opinion on players.

As for Song.. I've looked at him play a number of times and while i agree he has improved over the last few seasons, imo he is not the requisite quality for a club that supposed to be EPL and champs league title contenders.

He looks very good against weaker opposition, but he gets glaringly exposed in the bigger games.. His touch and speed of thought not up there with the best.. he does get advantage in midfield and leave holes in the middle (see chelsea 4 arsenal 1 last season), he is prone to lapses and losses in possession/concentration (see Man City 4 Arsenal 2).. He doh put in no crunching tackles and he is not an imposing force.. To put it another way, how much do you think he would command in the transfer market?

Basically he is a good player, fair to fine with a chance of showers.

It would be interesting to see how the young Song would look with the likes of Essien, playing next to him

Song would never play with the likes of Essien because they play the same position.. that hypothetical is ah either or situation.

Huh! Think of what you are saying! You telling me a team cannot play with two holding midfield players. Mikel and Essien play together, Makelele and Essien played together. Doh think so hard!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on December 16, 2009, 11:16:54 AM
my word...for a supposedly losing side such as arsenal that "cyah win anything" and is a "sh-t side" it is surprising to me that all these chelsea fans ALWAYS have something to say.  you would think that the chelsea thread woulda have like 100, 000 posts on it.  i mean chelsea have the world's greatest players and going to win EVERY trophy this season.   hear nah chelsea fans, stop souring we lil thread with alyuh rhetoric nah...or is it that alyuh just biding time to jump on the arsenal band wagon when the wheels fall off the chelsea bus.

oh and about the song comment...most of the articles i have read on various sporting websites have been full of praise for his performances.  anyone who has watched the gunners over the last year or so can see the strides song has made in terms of composure, playing the right pass, breaking up play etc. (the loan spell at charlton did him a world of good)  nobody ever say he was john obi mikel, and frankly no one cares if he is mikel, song is an arsenal player, he does his work and is quite good at it.

what happen this thread is ah cult or wha? what is with the "our thread" talk?

if you only want to hear certain kinda opinions then go and post on the official arsenal board. is the same deal for the chelsea, man u and liverpool threads, rival fans must chook some fire and the resident fans will bias the scene..

brother i am a fan of football first, i have my side but that don't stop me from watching other teams and formulating an opinion on players.

As for Song.. I've looked at him play a number of times and while i agree he has improved over the last few seasons, imo he is not the requisite quality for a club that supposed to be EPL and champs league title contenders.

He looks very good against weaker opposition, but he gets glaringly exposed in the bigger games.. His touch and speed of thought not up there with the best.. he does get advantage in midfield and leave holes in the middle (see chelsea 4 arsenal 1 last season), he is prone to lapses and losses in possession/concentration (see Man City 4 Arsenal 2).. He doh put in no crunching tackles and he is not an imposing force.. To put it another way, how much do you think he would command in the transfer market?

Basically he is a good player, fair to fine with a chance of showers.

It would be interesting to see how the young Song would look with the likes of Essien, playing next to him

Song would never play with the likes of Essien because they play the same position.. that hypothetical is ah either or situation.

Huh! Think of what you are saying! You telling me a team cannot play with two holding midfield players. Mikel and Essien play together, Makelele and Essien played together. Doh think so hard!

i probably misinterpreted you, i thought u were trying to say that Mikel only benefits because he plays alongside Essien in the chelsea system which is not accurate.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: elan on December 16, 2009, 02:15:24 PM
What a stupid tackle to make in the middle of the box.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: elan on December 16, 2009, 03:09:39 PM
Silvestre is mess. The kind that yuh step in and drag all over the place.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: elan on December 16, 2009, 03:42:09 PM
Lucky to get a point.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Blue on December 16, 2009, 05:00:32 PM
Big team like Burnley....
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on December 16, 2009, 05:29:17 PM
Big team like Burnley....

But they beat Man U ent  :P
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on December 18, 2009, 04:29:57 AM
away to burnley to day, denilson and traore out
eboue in
other than that side is ok to fface burnley and we need to take 3 points to keep the pressure on

  Only one point but the pressure still on.....on allyuh.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: doc on December 18, 2009, 10:19:04 AM
away to burnley to day, denilson and traore out
eboue in
other than that side is ok to fface burnley and we need to take 3 points to keep the pressure on

  Only one point but the pressure still on.....on allyuh.
Its all relative! Remember when the pressure was on Chelsea from 1955 t0 2005? Relieved by the billionaire. Now 5 years looks like forever :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 19, 2009, 10:59:56 AM
pressure again! manu drop 3 points

we need to win against hull today not count the game in hand

take every advantage now!

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on December 19, 2009, 01:24:49 PM
I ent see Arsene smile so in a long time.
Not sweating bullets at the end of a game like normal.

Moving Arshavin to the outside and Eduardo to the center made a big difference.

As did the missed penalty...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on December 19, 2009, 05:46:36 PM
cant believe allyuh men really rating Song..

he is a poor man's Obi Mikel.
Obi Mikel can't hold a candle to Alex Song this season!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 20, 2009, 08:04:50 AM
villa next

no easy task

at least its at home
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on December 20, 2009, 01:25:13 PM
cant believe allyuh men really rating Song..

he is a poor man's Obi Mikel.
Obi Mikel can't hold a candle to Alex Song this season!!!

  Why, because Song gettin' more playing time on a team of schoolboys "this season"?  Look, learn the difference between form and class eh!  :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on December 20, 2009, 02:39:21 PM
cant believe allyuh men really rating Song..

he is a poor man's Obi Mikel.
Obi Mikel can't hold a candle to Alex Song this season!!!

  Why, because Song gettin' more playing time on a team of schoolboys "this season"?  Look, learn the difference between form and class eh!  :devil:
Stop just running your mouth nah!!!

Obi Mikel is not as good as song this season. When Essien is available Obi eh sure to get a run. I also wouldn't boast about a Nigerian team that barely make it to SA. :devil:

You obviously don't know the difference between form and class so i'll explain.

The problem with most Chelsea fans is that you are actually fans of the way Arsenal plays but you find the fans to be obnoxious hence your intense dislike for the team. That also explains why you all are always checking up on Arsenal. Study your own team. Arsenal, Man U and Liverpool fans don't run around checking up on each other or Chelsea. You guys referring to Wegner as a vouyer is like the pot calling the kettle black!! :devil:

You ever wonder why the Chelsea Forever thread is one third the length of the Arsenal thread? You guys probably post more on here than in your own thread. The fact is, allyuh had a good run in the past few years but allyuh eh really do anything to be considered amongst the great English teams yet. Besides winning Champions League, we have!!! In the History of English football the pecking order of greatness is Liverpool/Man U, followed by The Arsenal. Allyuh far from the conversation.

When allyuh win a few more English championships or CL come back and we will talk. Until then, allyuh eh no Big Side. In the grand scheme of things this is a Blip in the history of Chelsea, and that bubble will burst too. The same is true for Arsenal in the opposite way, the run of no silverware is a bubble that will soon burst also!!! :devil:

Now focus on your team and we will focus on ours Vouyers!!! :devil: :devil: :beermug: :beermug: :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on December 20, 2009, 04:23:48 PM
cant believe allyuh men really rating Song..

he is a poor man's Obi Mikel.
Obi Mikel can't hold a candle to Alex Song this season!!!

  Why, because Song gettin' more playing time on a team of schoolboys "this season"?  Look, learn the difference between form and class eh!  :devil:
Stop just running your mouth nah!!!

Obi Mikel is not as good as song this season. When Essien is available Obi eh sure to get a run. I also wouldn't boast about a Nigerian team that barely make it to SA. :devil:

You obviously don't know the difference between form and class so i'll explain.

The problem with most Chelsea fans is that you are actually fans of the way Arsenal plays but you find the fans to be obnoxious hence your intense dislike for the team. That also explains why you all are always checking up on Arsenal. Study your own team. Arsenal, Man U and Liverpool fans don't run around checking up on each other or Chelsea. You guys referring to Wegner as a vouyer is like the pot calling the kettle black!! :devil:

You ever wonder why the Chelsea Forever thread is one third the length of the Arsenal thread? You guys probably post more on here than in your own thread. The fact is, allyuh had a good run in the past few years but allyuh eh really do anything to be considered amongst the great English teams yet. Besides winning Champions League, we have!!! In the History of English football the pecking order of greatness is Liverpool/Man U, followed by The Arsenal. Allyuh far from the conversation.

When allyuh win a few more English championships or CL come back and we will talk. Until then, allyuh eh no Big Side. In the grand scheme of things this is a Blip in the history of Chelsea, and that bubble will burst too. The same is true for Arsenal in the opposite way, the run of no silverware is a bubble that will soon burst also!!! :devil:

Now focus on your team and we will focus on ours Vouyers!!! :devil: :devil: :beermug: :beermug: :beermug:

   

   I thought yuh woulda come back wit sumting at least a little witty, smart and/or funny.  All this emotional ranting would only spoil yuh Christmas.   Yuh talk so much shit though that everything you wrote is self-decaying without me having to stick myself in it any further......I would wait still to hear you explain the class and form ting, since is only a pack ah ass yuh talk so far but I eh have all dat time on meh hands.......
but hear dis......Essien is only one of the top 10 footballers in the world, so, for JOM to be squeezed out of a starting spot by him is no shame.  What is embarrassing for you to know after yuh talk all dat pack ah ass is that, if JOM were playing fuh allyuh shit-side-with-a-history, Song would be on de bench gettin' he little sweat in Carling Cup Competition.  Now THAT is the difference between class and form. 
   
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on December 20, 2009, 06:51:12 PM
Allyuh men arguing about Obi Mikel and Song.

Which one of them playing for T&T again?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on December 20, 2009, 10:56:48 PM
Allyuh men arguing about Obi Mikel and Song.

Which one of them playing for T&T again?

  even if we had a T&T player wit Mikel's talent and Song's potential......he ain't goin' SA next year so wouldn't be anything worth arguin' about. Besides, we probably woulda be on the same side on that issue anyway.  You too.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on December 21, 2009, 09:24:59 AM
cant believe allyuh men really rating Song..

he is a poor man's Obi Mikel.
Obi Mikel can't hold a candle to Alex Song this season!!!

  Why, because Song gettin' more playing time on a team of schoolboys "this season"?  Look, learn the difference between form and class eh!  :devil:
Stop just running your mouth nah!!!

Obi Mikel is not as good as song this season. When Essien is available Obi eh sure to get a run. I also wouldn't boast about a Nigerian team that barely make it to SA. :devil:

You obviously don't know the difference between form and class so i'll explain.

The problem with most Chelsea fans is that you are actually fans of the way Arsenal plays but you find the fans to be obnoxious hence your intense dislike for the team. That also explains why you all are always checking up on Arsenal. Study your own team. Arsenal, Man U and Liverpool fans don't run around checking up on each other or Chelsea. You guys referring to Wegner as a vouyer is like the pot calling the kettle black!! :devil:

You ever wonder why the Chelsea Forever thread is one third the length of the Arsenal thread? You guys probably post more on here than in your own thread. The fact is, allyuh had a good run in the past few years but allyuh eh really do anything to be considered amongst the great English teams yet. Besides winning Champions League, we have!!! In the History of English football the pecking order of greatness is Liverpool/Man U, followed by The Arsenal. Allyuh far from the conversation.

When allyuh win a few more English championships or CL come back and we will talk. Until then, allyuh eh no Big Side. In the grand scheme of things this is a Blip in the history of Chelsea, and that bubble will burst too. The same is true for Arsenal in the opposite way, the run of no silverware is a bubble that will soon burst also!!! :devil:

Now focus on your team and we will focus on ours Vouyers!!! :devil: :devil: :beermug: :beermug: :beermug:

   

   I thought yuh woulda come back wit sumting at least a little witty, smart and/or funny.  All this emotional ranting would only spoil yuh Christmas.   Yuh talk so much shit though that everything you wrote is self-decaying without me having to stick myself in it any further......I would wait still to hear you explain the class and form ting, since is only a pack ah ass yuh talk so far but I eh have all dat time on meh hands.......
but hear dis......Essien is only one of the top 10 footballers in the world, so, for JOM to be squeezed out of a starting spot by him is no shame.  What is embarrassing for you to know after yuh talk all dat pack ah ass is that, if JOM were playing fuh allyuh shit-side-with-a-history, Song would be on de bench gettin' he little sweat in Carling Cup Competition.  Now THAT is the difference between class and form. 
   
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Typical of youth nowadays!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 23, 2009, 02:14:13 AM
so rvp is out for the season

and wenger is looking at transfer market keenly willing to buy a cup tied player

KJ ready to bolt the sunderland stables, but i highly doubt wenger would buy him now to fill that role we have vacant

so what players are available for under 20mil?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on December 23, 2009, 07:32:38 AM
so rvp is out for the season

and wenger is looking at transfer market keenly willing to buy a cup tied player

KJ ready to bolt the sunderland stables, but i highly doubt wenger would buy him now to fill that role we have vacant

so what players are available for under 20mil?

Here put this in the shopping basket  André-Pierre Gignac or Álvaro Negredo. Yuh might get both for 25 mil
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on December 23, 2009, 10:01:17 AM
if wenger know what good for him he would buss the bank for Yaya Toure, or failing that try to pick up Vieira..
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on December 23, 2009, 10:41:42 AM
if wenger know what good for him he would buss the bank for Yaya Toure, or failing that try to pick up Vieira..

Nice Player for what is needed. I like that choice. If not possible go for Diarra from Bordeaux
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 24, 2009, 12:41:28 PM
if wenger know what good for him he would buss the bank for Yaya Toure, or failing that try to pick up Vieira..

Nice Player for what is needed. I like that choice. If not possible go for Diarra from Bordeaux

i have been praying wenger picked up yaya for at least 5 years now
is that the same diarra that left us for portsmouth then real?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 24, 2009, 12:43:44 PM
Merry Christmas to all the gunners out there in socawarrior world!

and to the rest of ya, have a merry Christmas too  :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on December 27, 2009, 09:19:19 AM
The irresistible force (44 goals for) has overcome the immovable object (14 against).

Fabregas = Class
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Jah Gol on December 27, 2009, 09:24:14 AM
The irresistible force (44 goals for) has overcome the immovable object (14 against).

Fabregas = Class

:thumbsup:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 27, 2009, 10:03:04 AM
The irresistible force (44 goals for) has overcome the immovable object (14 against).

Fabregas = Class

:thumbsup:
:beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on December 27, 2009, 10:53:10 AM
cosign lol
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on December 27, 2009, 11:26:38 AM
was scared about this game, did not see it but 3-0 sounds impressive.  fabregas is a dan and diaby seems to be finally fulfilling his immense potential.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on December 27, 2009, 10:07:29 PM
Fabregas made himself an Arsenal Legend today!!!

Diaby was also magnificent today.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on December 28, 2009, 12:25:31 AM
Fabregas made himself an Arsenal Legend today!!!

Diaby was also magnificent today.
not yet he need to show up for Chelsea and man united ....those two not gonna give him the title .............................. so he needs to take it from them because that's what legends do!
He did well today .... good for him!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on December 30, 2009, 03:46:52 PM
More of the beautiful game. This year there is only a big 3. 2010 should be fun.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on December 30, 2009, 04:31:47 PM
champagne football...this is total football, literally anybody on this team could score a golazo.  i mad we ent keep the clean sheet but say what, a good performance nonetheless.  eduardo still not back to his best though, i hope his confidence comes back soon.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: superoli on December 31, 2009, 02:57:01 AM
tings looking good going into 2010

  Team          P  W D L   F  A  W D  L  F   A   GD    PTS
1 Chelsea      20 9 1 0  27  6  5  2  3  18  10  29     45
2 Man Utd     20 8 1 1  24  8  6  0  4  21  10  27     43
3 Arsenal      19 8 0 1  28  7   5  2  3  23  14  30     41
4 Tottenham 20 7 0 3  26  8   4  4  2  16  14  20     37
5 Man City    19 6 3 0  22 13  3  5  2  16  14  11      35
6 Aston Villa  20 6 2 2  17  7  4  3  3  12  11  11      35
7 Liverpool    20 6 2 2  26  11 4  1  5  11  14  12      33
8 Birmingham 20 5 3 2   8   5  4  2  4  12  13   2       32
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: superoli on January 04, 2010, 03:44:17 AM
Great FA cup game..............like they way they just moved up a gear and wham bam thank u mam...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 04, 2010, 07:17:47 PM
the tough get going

bolton on wed
then everton on sat
then bolton
then stoke
then villa
then manu
then liverpool
then chelsea
then champs league

a tough 6 wks ahead for arsenal

with players getting injured and others coming back and song off to ACN
this is make or break time
if we can keep our heads while those around loose thiers
then we will lift the league
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on January 05, 2010, 07:56:19 AM
Fran Merida to Atletico Madrid

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Arsenal-striker-signs-for-Atletico-Madrid-article278309.html

Arsenal striker Fran Merida is off to Atletico Madrid after agreeing a five-year contract with the Spanish club.

It is believed Merida - who turns 20 in March - has signed a pre-contract with Atletico after failing to win a regular place at Arsenal.

MirrorFootball reported on October 15 that Arsenal were furious that Atletico had "tapped-up" Merida and the Spanish club have finally got their man.

Arsenal offered Merida a new contract but the midfielder - a star for Spain in last year's World u-20 Championships - decided to return to his home country.

Arsenal had to pay £3million in compensation after a court battle with Barcelona after signing Merida as a 16-year-old. Arsenal will be due some compensation costs.

Merida's agent Joseba Diaz said: "It is not a question about money but it is because he wants to play. He is very grateful to Wenger and Arsenal but wants to build a career in Spain."
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 05, 2010, 08:53:18 PM
fran can go, just like bentley and upson
impatience is a weakness some arsenal youth suffer from
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on January 09, 2010, 10:44:54 AM
what a finish by Pienaar!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on January 09, 2010, 12:25:46 PM
hm...seems this was a different everton from the one we mauled earlier in the season.  did not see the game, will check highlights out later
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 09, 2010, 12:36:50 PM
we looked sluggish
unballanced
vermaelen and gallas caugh waaay up feild for pinnear goal
we had no answer for fellaini in the middle he broke up our play all afternoon
i an sorely disappointed by our performance not fo rth efigth back to draw but not getting the vial 3 points
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 09, 2010, 12:38:23 PM
what a finish by Pienaar!!

yes very nice especially with all the time the arsenal defense gave him

just go back n grin that we dropped two points but still rigth there waiting for you lot to blink a second too long
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on January 09, 2010, 07:30:42 PM
what a finish by Pienaar!!
Almunia went down too quickly. Make him go aound you.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 10, 2010, 08:47:21 AM
what a finish by Pienaar!!
Almunia went down too quickly. Make him go aound you.

ent torres talk about the epl keepers easy to beat one on one? it have a thread here with that
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on January 10, 2010, 09:13:54 AM
what a finish by Pienaar!!
Almunia went down too quickly. Make him go aound you.

Nah, at all... Almunia going down too quickly would have been him diving at Pienaar's feet.

He actually held his ground, and in that situation the keeper will be looking for the player to shoot to the right or left of him, or take it around him so he must stay low. The chip would be the very last thing the goalkeeper would expect which is why he couldn't react.

i find all credit hadda go to Pienaar for that one.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on January 10, 2010, 11:07:27 AM
the tough get going

bolton on wed
then everton on sat
then bolton
then stoke
then villa
then manu
then liverpool
then chelsea
then champs league

a tough 6 wks ahead for arsenal

with players getting injured and others coming back and song off to ACN
this is make or break time
if we can keep our heads while those around loose thiers
then we will lift the league


  ....even I hadda admit....dat back to back to back from Villa to CL is a little heavy on the schedule.....I eh understand how the epl coulda come up wit dah one.......but ah go only feel sorry fuh allyuh but so long.  :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on January 10, 2010, 05:06:40 PM
what a finish by Pienaar!!
Almunia went down too quickly. Make him go aound you.

Nah, at all... Almunia going down too quickly would have been him diving at Pienaar's feet.

He actually held his ground, and in that situation the keeper will be looking for the player to shoot to the right or left of him, or take it around him so he must stay low. The chip would be the very last thing the goalkeeper would expect which is why he couldn't react.

i find all credit hadda go to Pienaar for that one.
I agree that it was a great finish by Pienaar, however, the chip was on because he was far enough from Almunia. In a situation like that I believe the keeper should react rather than guess.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on January 10, 2010, 06:38:15 PM
what a finish by Pienaar!!
Almunia went down too quickly. Make him go aound you.

Nah, at all... Almunia going down too quickly would have been him diving at Pienaar's feet.

He actually held his ground, and in that situation the keeper will be looking for the player to shoot to the right or left of him, or take it around him so he must stay low. The chip would be the very last thing the goalkeeper would expect which is why he couldn't react.

i find all credit hadda go to Pienaar for that one.
I agree that it was a great finish by Pienaar, however, the chip was on because he was far enough from Almunia. In a situation like that I believe the keeper should react rather than guess.

  Easier said than done.  Pienaar had all the control in that situation and Almunia was in no man's land. 99.99% of GK's in that position woulda get beaten same way.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 10, 2010, 07:57:18 PM
what a finish by Pienaar!!
Almunia went down too quickly. Make him go aound you.

Nah, at all... Almunia going down too quickly would have been him diving at Pienaar's feet.

He actually held his ground, and in that situation the keeper will be looking for the player to shoot to the right or left of him, or take it around him so he must stay low. The chip would be the very last thing the goalkeeper would expect which is why he couldn't react.

i find all credit hadda go to Pienaar for that one.

as a former keeper you are ALWAYS weary of the chip when coming out to face a player one on one
he has less chance to shoot left or right if you get close enough
but more chance to round you if you stay up too long and close to him
its a gamble and you hope to put him off for a fraction to gain the upper hand but pineaar knew what he wanted to do before he got there, which showed by the fact he slowed just before reaching the top on the box
it takes skill to chip at pace he kept his cool and checke dhis run and chipped perfectly
still he had no one near him to add pressure
gallas and vermaelen need a slap
i doh mind one galloping forward but no way both should be so high
how d eff a winger hadda track back??
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 10, 2010, 07:58:58 PM
the tough get going

bolton on wed
then everton on sat
then bolton
then stoke
then villa
then manu
then liverpool
then chelsea
then champs league

a tough 6 wks ahead for arsenal

with players getting injured and others coming back and song off to ACN
this is make or break time
if we can keep our heads while those around loose thiers
then we will lift the league


  ....even I hadda admit....dat back to back to back from Villa to CL is a little heavy on the schedule.....I eh understand how the epl coulda come up wit dah one.......but ah go only feel sorry fuh allyuh but so long.  :beermug:
thems the breaks
but we survive it and we are in a good standing becuse we would have taken points from teams above us and those behind us
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Blue on January 12, 2010, 01:45:45 PM
Breaking News here in London tonight: Arsenal came out victorious in the race against nobody to sign Sol Campbell

Big, big team!!!  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on January 12, 2010, 04:35:54 PM
Adebayor rocking an arsenal jersey in a skysports interview..

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,13962_5855421,00.html
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: grimm01 on January 12, 2010, 04:39:13 PM
Sol Campbell???


http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=724323&sec=transfers&cc=5901

Sol Campbell confirms plans for Arsenal return

Campbell, 35, is available on a free transfer after leaving League Two side Notts County in September and has been training with Arsenal in recent months.

He is now in talks over a deal with the club and played for the reserves in the 4-2 win at West Ham on Tuesday night, coming off at half-time with his side 2-0 up. It appears the match at Upton Park was a form of trial, with Wenger seemingly keen to ensure that Campbell can prove his fitness and also regain his match sharpness before committing to even a short-term contract until the end of the season.

Campbell expects to play a couple of reserve games before that decision is made and he told ESPN Soccernet ahead of his comeback: "I shall be playing in the reserves at Upton Park tonight - it must be two years since I last played there. I cannot wait. I cannot tell you how much I've missed playing after being out so long since leaving Notts County.

"I need to get minutes under my belt, a couple of reserve games at least, before I can start looking any further ahead. I hope to sign for Arsenal until the end of the season. There are still a few technicalities to iron out, but I want to sign for Arsenal until the end of the season, and it's fantastic, great, marvellous.

"The old enthusiasm is back. I've got to tell you it seems as though I have never been away. I'm ecstatic really to be back at Arsenal, and I have worked bloody hard to get there."

He added: "Arsene Wenger has been an inspiration. He has watched me closely after letting me train at Arsenal for nearly two months now. He's not stupid - he wouldn't have taken me back if he didn't like what he has seen, and I have worked and worked.

"I do believe I can contribute. I really have my confidence and fitness back and believe I can make a big, big contribution. There is fantastic quality all around the pitch within this Arsenal team and I want to be part of it, and will make a big push to try to do that, but it's little steps at a time. First step is at Upton Park; the next step is more football."

Tottenham bos Harry Redknapp recently said that if Campbell returned to peak form and fitness, he could still be playing for England, but Campbell acknowledged that it is very early to be talking about a return to international duty in South Africa.

"First steps, first steps," he laughed. "It is just a pleasure to be back on the pitch, and pitch-time is what I need. I am going to enjoy it, really enjoy it. I've been out far too long, and I have worked hard to get back on the field. I've been training hard, working hard, and I now want to be involved."

Newcastle were among the clubs to have expressed an interest in signing Campbell, but he admits returning to a side with title ambitions will be a significant step-up.

"There have been a few clubs, quite a bit of speculation, but going back to Arsenal - well, that is serious, and I am serious about this," he said.

"I've missed it and I've a gut feeling this is the right move. It's no longer a hunger to get back - it's turned into a craving. I am champing at the bit. I'm fresh, I'm raring to go. It's unbelievable to be back at Arsenal."

Wenger admitted last week that he was considering bringing the defender back.

"He has a fantastic attitude and good fitness," Wenger said. "Of course he is not the youngest, but he is in a very good shape. He can still play in the Premier League - I've said that many times.

"He is important in the dressing room as well. He's positive with the young players. Every year we have one or two like that and I think a Premier League club will sign him."

A statement on Arsenal's official website on Tuesday read: "Tonight's reserve team to face West Ham United at Upton Park features Sol Campbell, who plays on a Reserve League registration, with a view to a permanent move back to Arsenal Football Club. Talks are ongoing with Sol with a view to a permanent move back to Arsenal Football Club."

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: makaveli on January 12, 2010, 05:54:10 PM
http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid29318049001?bctid=61458590001

is this permissible?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on January 12, 2010, 06:15:58 PM
http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid29318049001?bctid=61458590001

is this permissible?

What... posting links from "brightcove.com", yeah... that's permitted.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: doc on January 12, 2010, 06:17:16 PM
http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid29318049001?bctid=61458590001

is this permissible?
The man just happy to get away from Manchester so he could put on something most would be proud to ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 12, 2010, 08:29:31 PM
http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid29318049001?bctid=61458590001

is this permissible?
The man just happy to get away from Manchester so he could put on something most would be proud to ;D
didn't realize ade so traumatized he thought he went back in time
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: makaveli on January 12, 2010, 08:36:39 PM
http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid29318049001?bctid=61458590001

is this permissible?
The man just happy to get away from Manchester so he could put on something most would be proud to ;D
didn't realize ade so traumatized he thought he went back in time

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1242746/Is-case-wishful-thinking-Emmanuel-Adebayor-Manchester-City-hitman-pictured-wearing-Arsenal-strip.html
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: FF on January 12, 2010, 09:22:25 PM
http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid29318049001?bctid=61458590001

is this permissible?
The man just happy to get away from Manchester so he could put on something most would be proud to ;D
didn't realize ade so traumatized he thought he went back in time

Well de man home in Togo... he musbe jus pull ah jersey from de drawer and ent self realise what he wearing
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Blue on January 13, 2010, 01:38:36 AM
Adebayor rocking an arsenal jersey in a skysports interview..

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,13962_5855421,00.html

the man was talking about the gunners
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 14, 2010, 05:33:46 AM
Adebayor rocking an arsenal jersey in a skysports interview..

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,13962_5855421,00.html

the man was talking about the gunners
whatever he cocked up, again
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: FF on January 14, 2010, 09:11:49 AM
Adebayor rocking an arsenal jersey in a skysports interview..

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,13962_5855421,00.html

the man was talking about the gunners
whatever he cocked up, again

the man say he run away from the bus and leave all he luggage behind... and had was to borrow clothes from he brudder
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bourbon on January 14, 2010, 10:47:37 AM
English Headlines again....

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll228/RBlanch_photos/NewPicture.jpg)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on January 14, 2010, 10:52:11 AM
what a finish by Pienaar!!
Almunia went down too quickly. Make him go aound you.

Nah, at all... Almunia going down too quickly would have been him diving at Pienaar's feet.

He actually held his ground, and in that situation the keeper will be looking for the player to shoot to the right or left of him, or take it around him so he must stay low. The chip would be the very last thing the goalkeeper would expect which is why he couldn't react.

i find all credit hadda go to Pienaar for that one.

as a former keeper you are ALWAYS weary of the chip when coming out to face a player one on one
he has less chance to shoot left or right if you get close enough
but more chance to round you if you stay up too long and close to him
its a gamble and you hope to put him off for a fraction to gain the upper hand but pineaar knew what he wanted to do before he got there, which showed by the fact he slowed just before reaching the top on the box
it takes skill to chip at pace he kept his cool and checke dhis run and chipped perfectly
still he had no one near him to add pressure
gallas and vermaelen need a slap
i doh mind one galloping forward but no way both should be so high
how d eff a winger hadda track back??


  You make a very valid point, and when a man have a breakaway chance like that, GK's are taught to match the speed of the attacker, to come up as close to him as you can and stay big (depending) to cover the angles and be in a better position to deal with a chipped ball....No one can say what was going through almunia mind and based on that, some might say that maybe he did commit to a low position a little too early, but again, as you pointed out, Pienaar slowed his approach as almunia was coming out, too, and that was a very clever move on his part.  I find that goal was a really great goal, all things considered, and Pienaar deserves a ton of credit for all that he did to score it which is why I find it difficult to be hard on almunia.........that time.     :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on January 14, 2010, 11:41:31 AM
English Headlines again....

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll228/RBlanch_photos/NewPicture.jpg)

 :rotfl: :rotfl: allyuh wicked we
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on January 14, 2010, 01:41:16 PM
English Headlines again....

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll228/RBlanch_photos/NewPicture.jpg)

 :rotfl: :rotfl: allyuh wicked we

  Observer boy, I see dis ting and couldn't contain meh dam self!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 15, 2010, 05:27:55 AM
English Headlines again....

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll228/RBlanch_photos/NewPicture.jpg)

 :rotfl: :rotfl: allyuh wicked we

  Observer boy, I see dis ting and couldn't contain meh dam self!
dat is funny
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 16, 2010, 12:43:03 PM
man i fearing the bolton back to back this week then fa cup then the villa chelsea manu liverpool run of hell
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 17, 2010, 12:16:02 PM
2-nil
see you on Wednesday bolton
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Blue on January 17, 2010, 04:52:39 PM
man i fearing the bolton back to back this week then fa cup then the villa chelsea manu liverpool run of hell

bolton are easily the worst premiership side i've seen this season by some distance, can't see which part of that bolton team is intimidating you...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 17, 2010, 05:30:31 PM
man i fearing the bolton back to back this week then fa cup then the villa chelsea manu liverpool run of hell

bolton are easily the worst premiership side i've seen this season by some distance, can't see which part of that bolton team is intimidating you...
the part where they getting chances they will manage to grab one or two

traore is shite
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 20, 2010, 05:57:47 AM
steady heads tonight guys

get the three points i am not worried about goal difference to stay top till chelski beat who ever next i just want 3 point each game please

GOOOOONERS!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: elan on January 20, 2010, 01:57:03 PM
Well Gallas sour like lime.
1-0 Bolton 8'
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: elan on January 20, 2010, 02:17:02 PM
2-0 Bolton PK 28'
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on January 20, 2010, 02:23:34 PM
GOOOOONERS!

Yuh mean Gone-ers
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Blue on January 20, 2010, 02:52:32 PM
Regardless of the final score:

pahahahahahahahaha  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Contenders, yeah right
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 20, 2010, 02:58:10 PM
Regardless of the final score:

pahahahahahahahaha  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Contenders, yeah right
what an inter man getting he nose inside d epl??

ride out on yuh vespa
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Blue on January 20, 2010, 03:00:29 PM
Regardless of the final score:

pahahahahahahahaha  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Contenders, yeah right
what an inter man getting he nose inside d epl??

ride out on yuh vespa

When it comes to the Prem, I'm Chelsea dude...and I'll be at the Bridge to watch us cut yuh ass in 2 weeks time  ;D

Look yall jus score....looks like yall mite pull through against the mighty Bolton.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 20, 2010, 03:02:32 PM
Regardless of the final score:

pahahahahahahahaha  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Contenders, yeah right
what an inter man getting he nose inside d epl??

ride out on yuh vespa

2-2

When it comes to the Prem, I'm Chelsea dude...and I'll be at the Bridge to watch us cut yuh ass in 2 weeks time  ;D

Look yall jus score....looks like yall mite pull through against the mighty Bolton.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 20, 2010, 03:04:30 PM
bad foul

but play to the whistle

and how many seasons now ppl callin we sorf?

how many seasons before that ppl callin we thugs with all the yellows n red in the adams and vieria era?

blame the reff not the players
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on January 20, 2010, 03:06:44 PM
Tief goal.

That is the same kinda foul/goal that woulda have Arsene cussing everybody.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 20, 2010, 03:08:31 PM
Tief goal.

That is the same kinda foul/goal that woulda have Arsene cussing everybody.

i dont care we get tief before and now it went our way

just the way the cookie crumbles

blame refs n fifa etc until they sort it out

players just have to play on
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: big dawg on January 20, 2010, 03:10:08 PM
Dont blame the player.. blame the ref....on a different day Galas could get a yellow or even a red.. but say way.. the golden rule.. play to a whistle..
.
Bolton keeper shouda save that still..

This is the beautiful game that the refs and dem killing.  :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on January 20, 2010, 03:12:20 PM
Vermalen restores the status quo.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on January 20, 2010, 03:32:09 PM
Class
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Jahyouth on January 20, 2010, 03:34:12 PM
Champagne brand   
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 20, 2010, 03:35:01 PM
4-2

ball is in chelsea court to keep lead
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 20, 2010, 03:50:17 PM
damn that was nerve racking

wondering if birmingham wil continue their unbeaten run of games?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kicker on January 20, 2010, 08:19:09 PM
Rosicky was genius- what a player...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on January 21, 2010, 02:58:09 AM
Regardless of the final score:

pahahahahahahahaha  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Contenders, yeah right
what an inter man getting he nose inside d epl??

ride out on yuh vespa   :rotfl: Ah like dah one!

When it comes to the Prem, I'm Chelsea dude...and I'll be at the Bridge to watch us cut yuh ass in 2 weeks time  ;D

Look yall jus score....looks like yall mite pull through against the mighty Bolton.

  Yuh shoulda tell 'im to ride out in he vauxhall!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on January 21, 2010, 01:57:01 PM
all dese voyeurs...cyah get rid of them ::)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 21, 2010, 08:54:12 PM
eff

sagna AND diaby out for stoke game! i hope they back for villa manu chelski and liverpool
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 21, 2010, 09:14:01 PM
When I wrote "Putting the Hurt On" yesterday afternoon, I couldn't have imagined that William Gallas would take the title so much to heart and that his tackle on Mark Davies would be the single, solitary reason that Arsenal are sitting top of the Premiership pile this evening. Not another vital goal from Tomas Rosicky who followed up last week's late Everton equaliser with the goal kick started Arsenal's fightback yesterday evening and it was certainly nothing to do with another inspirational performance from our Fab captain. That is, if you believe you read everything you read in the paper.

Have a look at this, from The Mirror's Darren Lewis, I can almost feel the tears that must have soaked into his laptop as he wrote it. He says: "Shame on Alan Wiley for allowing himself to be bullied into ignoring an injured Bolton player so that Arsenal could equalise last night.

"Shame on Wiley for helping to perpetuate the widely held belief that the big clubs get the decisions while the smaller ones can go and get stuffed.

"Shame on the Arsenal fans who cheered when that injured player, Mark Davies, had to be carried off on a stretcher.

"Don't stop play while he lies there in agony. Don't give him any attention ref, don't you knows there's a match to win? For the record, TV replays showed William Gallas had trod on Davies' ankle and that play should have been stopped immediately."

There's just so much wrong with this it's untrue. Point by point, then.

Where and who were the Arsenal players bullying Alan Wiley to continue play when Davies went down? It was a bad tackle, true, but the ref didn't see it that way and waved play on. End of.

Big clubs getting decisions? The same big club that has had three nailed on penalties turned down in 180 minutes against that same small club that Lewis says can go "get stuffed"? That big club, Darren?

Whilst I would never condone Arsenal fans, or any fans for that matter, cheering an injured player off, the simple fact is Arsenal fans are fully aware we support a club where one of our players could be hacksawed in half and the opposition fans would still serenade his entrails falling out of his stomach as he lies dead on the floor, with "Same old Arsenal, always cheating!". So, er, draw your own conclusions. I hope he's not badly hurt though, really.

Darren fails to spot the obvious flaw in his argument in that final paragraph. He's right, tv replays did indeed show the Gallas challenge was a poor one - so poor that Arsène, having initially played it down, was moved to apologise like so many managers would have I'm sure - but Alan Wiley doesn't get a TV replay on the pitch, does he Darren? And I'm sorry; but the amount of times I've seen Arsenal win the ball and break, only for an opponent to fall to the floor because he's tripped over his own bootlaces, and put the ball out to concede their advantage only to see the opponent bounce to his feet and jog on as soon as the ball goes dead fully justified their decision to play on. It is the referee's decision and his alone to stop the game, as the ref last week chose not to stop the game when Denilson collapsed and Everton nearly scored, so Alan Wiley chose to play on. As he also chose to ignore the foul on Cesc in the penalty area.

This is all, of course aside from the idea of Bolton, the team that once kicked our title dreams to shreds, complaining about rough treatment at our hands, Bolton the very team whose fans derided Fabregas as the "softest player" in football after Sunday afternoon. He who lives by the sword...

And, half an hour later, I hope we can leave it there. The real story really should be about a typical Arsenal performance last night. Faced with the tantalising prospect of the league leadership, until Saturday at least, they nearly blew it. I got out of the shower to see we 1-0 down and briefly considered the lucky retro shirt to pull us through and then decided it probably wouldn't work with the game already in progress. Manuel Almunia probably wouldn't have saved Cahill's low strike even if he'd been able to move his concrete boots, but did he have to watch it trundle in with such admiration? Of course, this goal meant that he kept up his run of conceding from the first shot on target that has been going since 1967.

By the time I'd eaten dinner, the second Bolton goal, a penalty needlessly conceded by a rash Denilson tackle had gone in. Surely Almunia could have done better with a very saveable penalty, I think he knew it too. Quite why the hair puller felt the need to celebrate in front of the RedAction boys I have no idea, he probably wishes he hadn't done so now. I've not been very nice about Almunia this evening, or more generally, but he made a good low save from a free kick that almost certainly kept us in it. Before I stuck episode six of Generation Kill on, Tomas Rosicky had given Arsenal a glimmer of hope, with a fierce strike after being fed by his mate Cesc. Cesc seemed on a personal mission to win the match on his own, it was almost as if he remembered his rough treatment up north 4 days ago - fancy that! He'd already had a good shot saved and weaved through the Bolton defence before teeing Eduardo up with a wonderful disguised pass but he had to do it himself to score that controversial equaliser.

Arshavin was heavily involved and a few Michael Thomas style ricochets helped Cesc on, before he fired the ball through Jaaskelainen's legs. Soon after, his corner was headed on by Abou Diaby and it fell for Thomas Vermaelen to end his goal drought. Yes, our centre back hadn't scored since the beginning of October and this one was almost as good as the Blackburn exocet, letting the ball run across his body, he adjusted and smashed the ball in off the post with the outside of his left foot.

Andrey Arshavin had the last word, scoring one of those goals he seems to love scoring; crowded penalty area, quick feet, smash it. Goal. Maybe it was with that in mind that he chose to ignore a very handily placed Theo Walcott, who returned - for one night only, no doubt - as sub, and went it alone, only to be denied by Jaaskelainen.

Rarely can the Grove have seen such a dramatic two goal victory, but I think everyone knew what was at stake for Arsenal last night. Ok, so it's early days in the title race, and it would be rash and unwise to read too much into the victory. But the people who were questioning Arsenal's character and resolve under pressure are a little quieter this morning. Arsène had talked beforehand of the psychological importance in taking leadership of the division, with such a good opportunity to do so. Tacit in that is an acknowledgement that had we not done so, the consequences may have been grave. However, in a manner not unlike the drama of Middlesbrough in the summer of 2004, or Liverpool just four months previous, we came through and we did so in style.

The good news is that William Gallas will not face further action from the FA after that tackle, but there is some bad news. Abou Diaby has aggravated a calf injury and will be out for the next week (including the Villa game), Bac Sagna has a shoulder problem that will see him miss the Stoke game and worst of all, Keiran Gibbs has been ruled out for the season as he will have further surgery on his foot. I was only saying the other day about the lack of cover at right back for Sagna as well. I never thought I'd say this, but I hope Eboue comes back soon! It's getting a bit bare bones, isn't it?

Oh, and one more thing (yes, I've got my Colombo mac on), I believe it is now 59 games and couting since those Champions League wannabes, Tottenham, last won a league match at the home of one of the traditional big four. Fifty nine games! That's the kind of achievement that makes our 49 game unbeaten run look puny by comparison, doesn't it? Well done, Tottenham, it's good to know your strong bench is serving you so well...


http://arsenal-mania.com/articles/3107984/No-sympathy-for-the-devil.html (http://arsenal-mania.com/articles/3107984/No-sympathy-for-the-devil.html)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bourbon on January 22, 2010, 06:34:18 AM
Dese days i noticing real hypocrisy by all fans...once dey not on de wrong end of someting. Hmm.....
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kicker on January 22, 2010, 09:54:09 AM
Dese days i noticing real hypocrisy by all fans...once dey not on de wrong end of someting. Hmm.....

"Objective fan" is somewhat of an oxymoron
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 22, 2010, 11:54:21 AM
i am the first to admit gallas tackle was bad

we play to a game controlled by a referee who enforces the laws of the game

if the reff blew for a foul, we wouldn't have scored, should we have stopped play? no (see arsenal 2 v  2 everton)

i also noticed several penalties, arsenal players not diving and arsenal not getting the penalty, cesc was fouled VERY similar to the one rooney coned the reff earlier this season vs arsenal why is it the manu get the penalty but not arsenal?

common factor the reff

reff are and always will be the problem they need help from fifa and they also need to stand up and say they need help
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on January 22, 2010, 12:15:58 PM
that second goal won't win arsenal any fair play awards but my feeling is that most teams in their position would have played on as well. in my mind i was saying "alyuh real dutty" but that was while i was jumping up and celebrating  ;D

in fairness to wenger tho - in the case of the everton incident when denilson went down and vaughn played on, he didn't blame everton. instead, he told denilson that he should have put his hand on the ball to stop the play. he understood that given certain circumstances you can't always expect a team to kick the ball out when a player is down injured. the difference is everton didn't score while arsenal did.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 23, 2010, 07:53:47 AM
that second goal won't win arsenal any fair play awards but my feeling is that most teams in their position would have played on as well. in my mind i was saying "alyuh real dutty" but that was while i was jumping up and celebrating  ;D

in fairness to wenger tho - in the case of the everton incident when denilson went down and vaughn played on, he didn't blame everton. instead, he told denilson that he should have put his hand on the ball to stop the play. he understood that given certain circumstances you can't always expect a team to kick the ball out when a player is down injured. the difference is everton didn't score while arsenal did.



actually arsenal are top of the fair play league and have gone 57 games with out a red card
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 24, 2010, 08:50:11 AM
wake up late turn on tv at half time stoke arsenal
1-1?
stoke in the 2nd and arsenal in the 42nd
then i read the team
real second string side and two buses for center backs and only cesc, denilson n walcott(who i say is second string too)
we better nick one in the second half
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: WestCoast on January 24, 2010, 09:09:47 AM
whoooops
stoke eh kno who day playin

double whoops now
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Blue on January 24, 2010, 09:15:58 AM
boom bang...big side like Stoke yes...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: mal jeux on January 24, 2010, 09:16:25 AM
eh looking good for ars. 3-1 Stoke with minutes to go
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on January 24, 2010, 09:41:01 AM
One of these years Arsene will take the Fa Cup and League Cup seriously.  I wish the league could start fining teams for doing this crap.

Lukasz Fabianski
Sol Campbell
Mikael Silvestre
Armand Traore
Craig Eastmond
Jay Emmanuel-Thomas
Cesc Fábregas
Denilson
Francis Coquelin
Theo Walcott
Carlos Vela

Substitutions:
Andrei Arshavin for Jay Emmanuel-Thomas
Eduardo for Theo Walcott
Aaron Ramsey for Francis Coquelin
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Blue on January 24, 2010, 09:52:08 AM
One of these years Arsene will take the Fa Cup and League Cup seriously.  I wish the league could start fining teams for doing this crap.

Lukasz Fabianski
Sol Campbell
Mikael Silvestre
Armand Traore
Craig Eastmond
Jay Emmanuel-Thomas
Cesc Fábregas
Denilson
Francis Coquelin
Theo Walcott
Carlos Vela

Substitutions:
Andrei Arshavin for Jay Emmanuel-Thomas
Eduardo for Theo Walcott
Aaron Ramsey for Francis Coquelin


Umm, dem three who came on were his big guns....and d score was 1-1 at dat point. Meanwhile, big players like Faye and Tuncay was saltin on d sidelines.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on January 24, 2010, 11:19:36 AM
The man had Sol Campbell and Silvestre in the back. Is not a sweat in the savannah
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 24, 2010, 08:30:43 PM
whatever yes if dey won the game with that side ppl woulda praise him

cant please everybody, honestly fa cup is 3rd priority, we have 10 injuries and 4 hard ass games to play

not even talking about champs league yet

i knew a weakened side woulda been fielded

however traore has failed to prove he is a defender of any sort

i woulda sell silvestre n keep senderos
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 27, 2010, 06:13:12 PM
f**kf**kf**kf**kf**kf**kf**kf**kf**kf**k

hit post twice! muddafook

vermaelen and eduardo injured and the fooking french man wont buy shite

ah vex vex vex

steupse and manu on a fookin run of form with rooney looking like he could win world cup for england by he fookin self

ah vex
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on January 27, 2010, 07:28:07 PM
f**kf**kf**kf**kf**kf**kf**kf**kf**kf**k

hit post twice! muddafook

vermaelen and eduardo injured and the fooking french man wont buy shite

ah vex vex vex

steupse and manu on a fookin run of form with rooney looking like he could win world cup for england by he fookin self

ah vex

  Doh vex, Padna.....it is what it is......yuh just have to learn to accept low-expectational mediocrity from yuh manager like the liverpool fans have.   
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: big dawg on January 27, 2010, 07:43:33 PM
f**kf**kf**kf**kf**kf**kf**kf**kf**kf**k

hit post twice! muddafook

vermaelen and eduardo injured and the fooking french man wont buy shite

ah vex vex vex

steupse and manu on a fookin run of form with rooney looking like he could win world cup for england by he fookin self

ah vex

well buddy... in all honestly, I woulda be fex too with that performance especially with the next three being Manchester United, Chelsea (at home) and Liverpool... :banginghead:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 27, 2010, 07:56:36 PM
f**kf**kf**kf**kf**kf**kf**kf**kf**kf**k

hit post twice! muddafook

vermaelen and eduardo injured and the fooking french man wont buy shite

ah vex vex vex

steupse and manu on a fookin run of form with rooney looking like he could win world cup for england by he fookin self

ah vex

  Doh vex, Padna.....it is what it is......yuh just have to learn to accept low-expectational mediocrity from yuh manager like the liverpool fans have.   

nah we was never dat bad in the last 5 years  :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on January 28, 2010, 12:34:28 PM
f**kf**kf**kf**kf**kf**kf**kf**kf**kf**k

hit post twice! muddafook

vermaelen and eduardo injured and the fooking french man wont buy shite

ah vex vex vex

steupse and manu on a fookin run of form with rooney looking like he could win world cup for england by he fookin self

ah vex

well buddy... in all honestly, I woulda be fex too with that performance especially with the next three being Manchester United, Chelsea (at home) and Liverpool... :banginghead:

i good with that draw. it was an away game and aston villa is a decent side - they done beat chelsea, liverpool and man u for the season. also, i wasnt expecting too much from a midfield trio of denilson, ramsey and fabregas.

after the game against chelsea in the first round arsenal were 11 points behind them (with a game in hand), and by the new year they were back to within a point. so if they can get thru this four game stretch and be in touching distance of the leaders they wont be in too bad a position. that said, they need to step it up in the next game - esp cause they at home. if they can get home wins over man u and liverpool and take a point from chelsea in stamford bridge i would be more than satisfied with that. that's 8 points from 12.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Blue on January 28, 2010, 04:27:28 PM
after the game against chelsea in the first round arsenal were 11 points behind them (with a game in hand), and by the new year they were back to within a point. so if they can get thru this four game stretch and be in touching distance of the leaders they wont be in too bad a position. that said, they need to step it up in the next game - esp cause they at home. if they can get home wins over man u and liverpool and take a point from chelsea in stamford bridge i would be more than satisfied with that. that's 8 points from 12.

stewps, the reason why dey caught up is cuz dey had all their easy games in a row. now dey have all their hard games....watch dem fall back.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: DeSoWa on January 28, 2010, 04:32:32 PM
after the game against chelsea in the first round arsenal were 11 points behind them (with a game in hand), and by the new year they were back to within a point. so if they can get thru this four game stretch and be in touching distance of the leaders they wont be in too bad a position. that said, they need to step it up in the next game - esp cause they at home. if they can get home wins over man u and liverpool and take a point from chelsea in stamford bridge i would be more than satisfied with that. that's 8 points from 12.

stewps, the reason why dey caught up is cuz dey had all their easy games in a row. now dey have all their hard games....watch dem fall back.

Um if I am not mistaking, Arsenal played the same teams Chelsea and ManU played to be at the position they are now...it does not matter in what order it was played, Arsenal playing ManU this weekend is as hard as ManU playing Arsenal this weekend  ;)

Big Up!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on January 28, 2010, 08:18:44 PM
after the game against chelsea in the first round arsenal were 11 points behind them (with a game in hand), and by the new year they were back to within a point. so if they can get thru this four game stretch and be in touching distance of the leaders they wont be in too bad a position. that said, they need to step it up in the next game - esp cause they at home. if they can get home wins over man u and liverpool and take a point from chelsea in stamford bridge i would be more than satisfied with that. that's 8 points from 12.

stewps, the reason why dey caught up is cuz dey had all their easy games in a row. now dey have all their hard games....watch dem fall back.

Um if I am not mistaking, Arsenal played the same teams Chelsea and ManU played to be at the position they are now...it does not matter in what order it was played, Arsenal playing ManU this weekend is as hard as ManU playing Arsenal this weekend  ;)

Big Up!

If yuh looking at Sol Campbell playing in the middle of defense, or if Traore show up on the field, then I think this might be easier for ManU than you think. Ferdinand is out, but he wasn't in much this season anyway, so they ent missing him.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on January 29, 2010, 07:05:51 AM
stewps, the reason why dey caught up is cuz dey had all their easy games in a row. now dey have all their hard games....watch dem fall back.

 ???

but that's my point  :-\

all i saying is they need to not fall as far back this time. cause just like in the first round of games, arsenal's fixture list will be relatively easier than chelsea's after the arsenal-liverpool game. so if the gap is small, as opposed to being 11 points (like it was at the end of nov.) then they may have a better chance of closing the gap again by the end of the season.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kaliman2006 on January 29, 2010, 10:24:55 PM
Liverpool fan in peace.

What allyuh think about this story?

O'Neill launches scathing attack on Wenger

By Soccernet staff

January 30, 2010

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Aston Villa manager Martin O'Neill has launched another verbal attack on Arsene Wenger and claims the Arsenal boss gets "carried away with his own importance''.

Martin O'Neill

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Martin O'Neill says Arsene Wenger has been casting spells on his followers

In a similar vein to Rafa Benitez's infamous attack on Sir Alex Ferguson, O'Neill has accused Wenger of manipulating officials with his comments and touch-line behaviour.

O'Neill was livid when Wenger labelled Villa a long ball team after the goalless draw between the sides in mid-week at Villa Park. He confronted the Gunners chief after being told of his comments and has now continued his outburst.

O'Neill said in the Sun: "Wenger has an opinion on everything. There is not a subject in this world at this minute - whether it is political, religious, anything - that he does not have an opinion on. He does say things for effect. You can get carried away with your own importance, you really can. Sometimes he does.

"After what he said about my team on Wednesday, I did go looking for him. I told him what I thought about what he had said. He has made a great contribution to the game here but he is not on a different planet. What he wants to do is try and point out to everyone who is under his spell that Arsenal are the only delightful team around.''

O'Neill also feels Wenger's touch-line antics can have an influence on games. He is also critical of some of the on-the-field behaviour of the Arsenal players and what he sees as the failure of the Frenchman to acknowledge it.

He said: "There is a plan throughout. If he puts his hands in the air enough times, they (officials) will probably accept the fact he can see it from that distance, that Sol Campbell hadn't fouled Richard Dunne, and the referee obviously agrees with him. He's a very skilful manager but he has another record, like he has had something like 99 sendings off this year - and 98 of them weren't his fault. That is the problem.

"There are things that happen in the game you cannot always be fantastically proud of your team. There can be some nasty challenges made by Arsenal players - you cannot condone everything. William Gallas is just one the other week. You cannot condone everything. You have to say 'On reflection, I've seen it again and it's a nasty challenge'.''

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Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on January 31, 2010, 11:56:17 AM
LIIIIICKSSSS!!!!!!!

More Licks next Sunday @ 11 pm.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on January 31, 2010, 12:15:52 PM
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lol
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Blue on January 31, 2010, 12:18:23 PM
after the game against chelsea in the first round arsenal were 11 points behind them (with a game in hand), and by the new year they were back to within a point. so if they can get thru this four game stretch and be in touching distance of the leaders they wont be in too bad a position. that said, they need to step it up in the next game - esp cause they at home. if they can get home wins over man u and liverpool and take a point from chelsea in stamford bridge i would be more than satisfied with that. that's 8 points from 12.

stewps, the reason why dey caught up is cuz dey had all their easy games in a row. now dey have all their hard games....watch dem fall back.

Um if I am not mistaking, Arsenal played the same teams Chelsea and ManU played to be at the position they are now...it does not matter in what order it was played, Arsenal playing ManU this weekend is as hard as ManU playing Arsenal this weekend  ;)

Big Up!

watch dem fall back
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 31, 2010, 08:43:39 PM
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lol

william "muddacoont" gallas

al-fookin-munia

ah vex again second below par fokin performance in ah week

hey chelsea try not to drool over yourselves before next sunday

fookin fooked fook
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 05, 2010, 05:22:57 AM
i want arsenal to get beat this weekend

not because i dont want manu to get the title

but because i want wenger to admit he needs to improve and strengthen the squad by releasing failures in the side, can cover for those tallented but injury prone players

even if we do win i will be glad for a more response to the shameful display at home last sunday

that is, being beaten by a better side when you play your best is more noble and acceptable then being beaten by a side because you failed to play well and give everything you got
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on February 05, 2010, 07:43:43 AM
i want arsenal to get beat this weekend

not because i dont want manu to get the title

but because i want wenger to admit he needs to improve and strengthen the squad by releasing failures in the side, can cover for those tallented but injury prone players

even if we do win i will be glad for a more response to the shameful display at home last sunday

that is, being beaten by a better side when you play your best is more noble and acceptable then being beaten by a side because you failed to play well and give everything you got

what you think about this ... this is my point of view.

it's not that arsenal isn't strong enough (player for player) to beat man utd/chelsea. it's that arsenal needs to adjust their game tactically when they come up against the big teams. you see teams like hull getting the odd result against chelsea because they know from the outset that they need to try to contain chelsea and take whatever chances they get against the run of play. arsenal on the other hand goes into games against chelsea/man utd and approaches the game in a similar way to how they approach a game against portsmouth.

if you look at the man utd game, there were times when clichy and sagna were both forward. song was make attacking runs through the middle. the approach at times was pretty much attack attack without enough composure. and man utd capitalized by playing a smarter tactical game and hitting them on the break for the second two goals.

wenger doesn't necessarily need to go into the market and buy. (i'm not saying that it won't hurt to get better players). but he needs to change his tactical approach to the game. sometimes the result is more important than just going out to play "beautiful attacking" football.

fergie didn't come into the game with an attacking lineup and play an all out  attacking game from the get go. chelsea didn't do it either when they met earlier in the season. both teams contained arsenal and hit them on the break.

basically when you playing against the top teams you need to be aware that playing an open game can hurt you cause teams like man u, chelsea etc have the skill to destroy you if you don't sure things up in the midfield and defence. and that lack of caution/composure is what i think killed arsenal in the last man utd game. nani destroy us for the first goal, but after that arsenal just started bombing forward without enough care for their defensive structure. gallas/vermaelen would play the ball to the wingback and start running forward  :-\

the second and third goals man utd scored are the kind of goals you see in the 80 something minute when a team throwing all caution to the wind. them kind a goals not supposed to be scoring in the first half/early second half.

in the end it would lead to cagier and less exciting games between the top squads. but it might serve the team better in terms of results.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on February 05, 2010, 08:25:15 AM
I agree.
I think it's really about Wenger's personality, which extends to the personality of the team. He wants to play football, stand toe to toe and slug it out. The only real opportunity he gets is vs the other members of the big 4. But ever since the last title, the other teams (with maybe the exception of Liverpool) don't go along with the program. Last year, looking at them play Man U, the tactics employed by Sir Alex were the same as a Hull or Stoke, though naturally, Man U's counterattack is more potent that the lower table teams.

He is stubborn though, and will persist. The thing is of course is that it almost works. In the end, we're talking about almost every season coming down to a handful of games between the top 4 teams. He can play Arsenal football for 30 games and needs to adjust for 6.  I don't think he will. 

I also think that the league is a secondary goal. The main prize is the Champions League.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 06, 2010, 10:50:49 PM
I agree.
I think it's really about Wenger's personality, which extends to the personality of the team. He wants to play football, stand toe to toe and slug it out. The only real opportunity he gets is vs the other members of the big 4. But ever since the last title, the other teams (with maybe the exception of Liverpool) don't go along with the program. Last year, looking at them play Man U, the tactics employed by Sir Alex were the same as a Hull or Stoke, though naturally, Man U's counterattack is more potent that the lower table teams.

He is stubborn though, and will persist. The thing is of course is that it almost works. In the end, we're talking about almost every season coming down to a handful of games between the top 4 teams. He can play Arsenal football for 30 games and needs to adjust for 6.  I don't think he will. 

I also think that the league is a secondary goal. The main prize is the Champions League.

yup wenger needs a defensive coach

but champs league with this side? we wouldn't get to physical a game but certainly have better tactics thrown at us than fergies subterfuge
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on February 06, 2010, 11:03:47 PM
Fergie not playing subterfuge. Fergie playing defense. He is afraid of Arsenal's offensive power and will never play them straight up. A game between Arsenal and ManU will either be like the 2 this season, or boring b/c you will have two counterattacking teams waiting for the other one to make a mistake.

Chelsea is a naturally defensive team, they don't have to change tactics, just keep doing what they do.

Until Wenger decides that he will in ugly, he will lose pretty.
This is the most interesting experiment in football though always fun to watch win or lose. If they stay together, they will learn and I think will become one of the best teams ever... if they stay together
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on February 07, 2010, 10:14:38 AM
Every set play Arsenal look vulnerable. 9 goals against on set plays and now technically 10. Diaby did not even challenge Terry
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on February 07, 2010, 10:27:21 AM
steups......this arsenal is real shit yes......
 >:(
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: STEUPS!! on February 07, 2010, 10:28:41 AM
steups......this arsenal is real shit yes......
 >:(

But uu seein dat  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 07, 2010, 10:56:58 AM
well i getting what i wanted yes

and wtf clichy left far post open?????? he forget he left n rigth han?

and the second? thought i was watchin last weekend game

dis side is one dimensional

wenger needs to go on a Himalayan retreat and find he f**kin self
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: WestCoast on February 07, 2010, 10:58:50 AM
wenger needs to go on a Himalayan retreat and find he f**kin self
:rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on February 07, 2010, 11:03:15 AM
well i getting what i wanted yes

and wtf clichy left far post open?????? he forget he left n rigth han?

and the second? thought i was watchin last weekend game

dis side is one dimensional

wenger needs to go on a Himalayan retreat and find he f**kin self

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
  Gunner, boy....we doh always agree on tings....but ah rel like yuh spirit and yuh passion boy!!
Yuh dam RIGHT!! 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Blue on February 07, 2010, 01:04:38 PM
men against runts
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on February 07, 2010, 04:23:25 PM
men against runts

dude please...the game wasn't no walkover for chelsea by any stretch.  two defensive lapses cost arsenal dearly (what the heck was clichy doing for the 1st goal).   even the most biased chelsea fan has to admit cech made some big saves (from arshavin and from cesc and later from bendtner)...well played to chelsea though, they did what they had to do, kept the clean sheet and got the points.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on February 07, 2010, 04:39:54 PM
men against runts

Have to disagree with this statement. Arsenal were not beaten today physically. Tactically Ancelotti got it right and taking a page from ManU.

Arsenal showed a lot more attack than Chelsea and continued to show good spirit second half. The difference boils down to the fact that Chelsea has one of the best strikers in world football. Two chances two goals. Arsenal had no such quality that played in their team today. They also do not have a bench that allows them to play differently. So as a consequence they are predictable.

Well GunnerStunner what about dem punters now  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Blue on February 07, 2010, 04:55:27 PM
men against runts

dude please...the game wasn't no walkover for chelsea by any stretch.  two defensive lapses cost arsenal dearly (what the heck was clichy doing for the 1st goal).   even the most biased chelsea fan has to admit cech made some big saves (from arshavin and from cesc and later from bendtner)...well played to chelsea though, they did what they had to do, kept the clean sheet and got the points.

runts: arsenal played wid a front 4 of arshavin, fabregas, nasri and walcott. that must be the shortest attacking lineup in premiership history. all 4 were smaller than ashley cole, who was the smallest of the chelsea backline. physically, they got absolutely brutalised.

and cech was great today....magnificent saves from arshavin and cesc (dont remember bendtner contributing) and intercepted countless balls in the box. drogba stole the headlines but, to me, cech was man of the match.

arsenal had most of the possession but, to be honest, if you dont have a target man, you can't beat a big team like chelsea. arshavin was wandering fairly aimlessly upfront (defintely in d first half) and apart from that wicked volley, was just not a threat to the chelsea backline.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on February 07, 2010, 05:04:14 PM
yaow.. allyuh dont get tired..

its the same script running in Chelsea v Arsenal games for about the last 3 years running..

Arsenal will have more of the ball, show more attacking initiative, look pretty with some intricate touches and play. Will probably test Cech a few times and get a few chances which they will not take.

Then Drogba will score.

Then they will regroup, start pressing again, have the upper hand, put Chelsea on the backfoot...

Then Chelsea will score again.

Then they will get frustrated as Chelsea can sit back more, they will take chances, the game will open up and Chelsea will have opportunities to score even more on the counter attack.

Then at the end of the game, Wenger and the diehards will talk about how unlucky they are because they were the better side for long periods, they had chances they lapse defensively.

Its nothing to do with luck, its all tactical. Chelsea don't mind inviting Arsenal in their half, sitting and soaking up pressure because they know how vulnerable Arsenal are on the counter attack. Even if one of the chances, like Arshavin's, did go in then that doesn't mean things would turn out different. Chelsea would just adapt their tactics to press and push forward more.

Arsenal need to learn to adapt their tactics for the big 4 teams, they cannot approach the game as they would approach a game against Bolton. They are tactically naive, physically inferior and mentally weaker. Because of the way Arsenal play, i will go as far as to say this game was an easier proposition for Chelsea than last week's game versus Hull.

PS: I hope allyuh was watching, because this game showed just how much better of a defensive midfielder Obi Mikel is compared to Song.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: WestCoast on February 07, 2010, 05:18:54 PM
cech was man of the match.
agreed
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Big Magician on February 07, 2010, 08:17:46 PM
wham ??..dey stop passing ??
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: JDB on February 07, 2010, 11:04:42 PM
Fergie not playing subterfuge. Fergie playing defense. He is afraid of Arsenal's offensive power and will never play them straight up. A game between Arsenal and ManU will either be like the 2 this season, or boring b/c you will have two counterattacking teams waiting for the other one to make a mistake.

Chelsea is a naturally defensive team, they don't have to change tactics, just keep doing what they do.

Until Wenger decides that he will in ugly, he will lose pretty.
This is the most interesting experiment in football though always fun to watch win or lose. If they stay together, they will learn and I think will become one of the best teams ever... if they stay together

Big if...I said last year that what Wenger is trying is ambitious but probably will not work because players are not that patient. He is not the first to try to bring through a group of home-developed player into the first team together but the things that make those teams work is the senior players around them. If Arsenal still had players like Vieira, Henry and even Ashley COle around these young players would have a better chance.

If yuh look at the Ajax side that win the 96 CL or the UNited side withBeckham, Scholes, Neville etc they had quality experienced pros around them.. Arsenal just does not have that.

Gallas is just not that type of player, Fabregas still young himself, Almunia is not good enoughand Rosicky always injured. Everybody else with the exception of Vermaelen still learning football.

Also Wenger could play ugly when he wants to. in the 95 FA cup Arsenal kick United for 90 minutes plus extra time and win on penalties. That side had players who could play that game though Vieira, Gilberto, Sol Campbell, Pires. This Arsenal side does not have the players to sit back and defend against big teams. They just don't defend well enough to have a team like CHelsea passing the ball around in front their box and looking for openings. They have to play the way they do because those are the players they have.

And whatever the reason was for not recognizing that RVP would eventually get injured is beyond me.

I also think that Wneger is missing a trick in not trying for the League Cup. I read recently where he was pissing on it and saying that a 3rd place is a bigger achievement. It may be but every player likes winning someting and 3rd place is not a victory to celebrate. Winning th eLeague Cup was big for United in Ruud last yearafter two years with nothing, after that they hit their stride with 3 straight league titles and a CL.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on February 08, 2010, 09:44:00 AM
men against runts

Have to disagree with this statement. Arsenal were not beaten today physically. Tactically Ancelotti got it right and taking a page from ManU.

Arsenal showed a lot more attack than Chelsea and continued to show good spirit second half. The difference boils down to the fact that Chelsea has one of the best strikers in world football. Two chances two goals. Arsenal had no such quality that played in their team today. They also do not have a bench that allows them to play differently. So as a consequence they are predictable.

Well GunnerStunner what about dem punters now  ;D

Wha f**kry is dat yuh talkin fella?!!  Wha page outta ManUre book.  Chelsea play a different game than we been playing since Acelotti came in?  Allyuh eh bet allyuh could talk contishness nah.  What Chelsea did eh ha one f**k to do with ManUre guy so try yuh bess wid da bullshit!

Dinho ah doh tink dey notice nah!  Song is ah World Class holding mid :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on February 08, 2010, 09:59:31 AM
Arsenal missing something .... I've no faith in their goalkeeper but to be honest he wasn't at fault for those goals...... clichy and vermalean get beat by drogba ...... their defense doesn't intimidate anyone they're very basic.... Gallas is past it and they need an enforcer type defender....clichy has been looking poor since nani destroyed him last week.... he just looks a shadow of himself...... I'll tell you one thing ... Wenger will make the relevant buys people are hating on him but he takes his time if you check the players he did buy he bought vermalean and he bought in Campbell to bring the kind of steel his defense needed ....it hasn't worked out as well as he would like but he knows he has to buy and he will make the relevant buy.....losing rvp is the key because they look toothless in attack
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on February 08, 2010, 10:06:06 AM
Ballack: Victory is all important

http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/premierleague/story/Ballack-Victory-is-all-important (http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/premierleague/story/Ballack-Victory-is-all-important)

Michael Ballack believes Chelsea have once again demonstrated they possess the perfect mix needed to be Premier League champions.

Carlo Ancelotti's men returned to the top of the table on Sunday after a first-half double from Didier Drogba saw off the challenge of Arsenal at Stamford Bridge.

The Gunners had plenty of possession, but crucially could not turn that into goals.

Afterwards, Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger congratulated Chelsea on their efficiency, while also taking a sly dig by claiming "we didn't get a demonstration of football".  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

However, Germany captain Ballack maintains such determination to get the final result is what counts in the end.

"We wanted to do our job," the 33-year-old said. "We knew the way Arsenal play. It is always the same style. If you play tactics like we did, you can beat them.

"This season and the season before they showed they weren't able to win the league.

"He [Wenger] always says things like this when he loses to find an excuse - but football is not possession of the ball and playing a nice pass, football is about winning games and that is what Manchester United showed when they played them and what we did.

"We derived the win because we were very effective and that was our strategy."

Ballack declared: "Football is a mixture of winning games and good football physically, but also technically.

"We have a good mix in the team as we have shown this season and you can't do more. We are in first position and that counts."

Chelsea's advantage at the top is only two points ahead of United, who thrashed bottom club Portsmouth 5-0 at Old Trafford on Saturday.

Arsenal are now some nine points adrift, having lost successive matches against the top two following an impressive 10-match unbeaten run which briefly returned them to the summit.

Ballack said: "If you look now, it seems like a race between Manchester United and us - but four weeks ago, you could see how it was [different] and it can go quick when teams lose points."

Drogba once again proved too hot for Arsenal to handle, as the Ivory Coast striker made it 12 goals in his last 12 games against Wenger's young Gunners.

Ballack hailed the impact of the 31-year-old, who is just back from international duty at the African Nations Cup and came within inches of netting a hat-trick on Sunday when his 20-yard free-kick crashed back off the crossbar.

"In big games like this, he is there and that is why he is a big player," said Ballack.

"Didier has unbelievable physical strength, but he has great technique, is a great free-kick taker and has the nose of a striker.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kicker on February 08, 2010, 10:54:32 AM
Thing is, Arsenal's approach play isn't even that attractive this season.  It's neat, and patient, and they do a good job of possessing the ball for long periods, but as far as imaginative and attractive, I don't really see it.  They also don't do a good job of pressuring the ball when they lose it...  It reminds me of Real Madrid sometimes (especially Madrid last season)....keeping the ball for long periods without any real cutting edge, or defensive tenacity.

Chelsea & Man U are the best teams in England at the moment.  If they falter in some of the games where they should win, Arsenal will have a shot at the title...Otherwise based on quality, the table standings are as they should be. 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Touches on February 08, 2010, 11:02:49 AM
Arsenal does not have a BIG PLAYER Star Forward.

Chelsea = Drogba
Manu = Rooney
Liverpool = Torres
ManC = Tevez/Adebayor
Spurs = Defoe

Arsenal = Bendtner

Dais why we are where we are...Van Persie could never last a 2 months, we never replaced Ade yuh need a man to have belly and do something special....Henry was the last...Fabregas can't do it alone.


Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bourbon on February 08, 2010, 12:05:45 PM
(http://www.studs-up.com/comics/2010-02-08.jpg)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on February 08, 2010, 12:17:42 PM
Arsenal missing something .... I've no faith in their goalkeeper but to be honest he wasn't at fault for those goals...... clichy and vermalean get beat by drogba ...... their defense doesnt intimidate anyone theyre very basic.... Gallas is oast it and they need an enforcer type defender....clichy has been looking poor since nani destroyed him last week.... he just looks a shadow of himself...... I'll tell you one thing ... Wenger will make the relevant buys people are hating on him but he takes his time if you check the players he did buy he bought vermalean and he bought in Campbell to bring the kind of steel his defense needed ....it hasn't worked out as well as he would like but he knows he has to buy and he will make the relevant buy.....losing rvp is the key becaue they look toothless in attack


 As much as I tink he eh all dat as a 'keeper, I find he does get unfairly blamed for arsenal's defensive ineptitude in trute even with the goals they conceded against manu last week.  Pundit after pundit was doggin' de man and I couldn't understand why he was takin' de brunt of the blame.  arsenal  had TWO defenders play matador defense and let nanny breeze past dem and where he chip dat ball over almunia...it was scoring on 9 outta 10 'keepers.  I do agree that he could have done a little better on park's goal, but it wasn't as bad as people make it.  park had the option to play the ball square for who I think was rooney runnin' up the middle and he even look like dize wha he was going to do.....almunia get a raw deal from he defenders on both ah dem goals.  But he's still a shit-hong!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on February 08, 2010, 10:13:05 PM
Arsenal does not have a BIG PLAYER Star Forward.

Chelsea = Drogba
Manu = Rooney
Liverpool = Torres
ManC = Tevez/Adebayor
Spurs = Defoe

Arsenal = Bendtner

Dais why we are where we are...Van Persie could never last a 2 months, we never replaced Ade yuh need a man to have belly and do something special....Henry was the last...Fabregas can't do it alone.

that game was frustrating.

1. arsenal also missing wide players who can offer some sort of penetration (a pires type player) - arshavin can play it but is being used centrally. rosicky and arshavin as the two wide players in the front 3 is the best bet imo.

2. why is rosicky on the bench and walcott starting?

3. at the moment i'd even prefer to see vela getting a shot ahead of walcott and nasri.

4. does nasri do anything  ???

5. song is trying to do too much

6. fabregas is playing too advanced - is not like nasri and walcott offer anything defensively, so that leaves song and diaby to do all the defensive midfield work. and even they making forward runs. no wonder we getting caught on the counter so easy.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 09, 2010, 06:01:28 AM
arsenal have 3 star players

cesc
arshavin
van persie

song is still up and coming
diaby no clue
rosicky looks like he will never find top form
eduardo never the same again
bendtner flatters to decieve
nasri not sure
sagna not showing the promise he had in his first year
gallas has been
vermaelen stil adjusting but getting there
clichy brain dead
eboue well the only utility player that can actually do the job
almunia need i say more
denilson no words
vela wtf happened amigo?
silvestre the name says it all

shall i go on?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on February 09, 2010, 06:39:15 AM
diaby no clue

diaby is one of arsenal's strongest players this season, when fit of course.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Touches on February 09, 2010, 09:55:51 AM
Lee Dixon's Tactical View (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/8503280.stm)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: doc on February 10, 2010, 03:43:30 AM
arsenal have 3 star players

cesc
arshavin
van persie

song is still up and coming
diaby no clue
rosicky looks like he will never find top form
eduardo never the same again
bendtner flatters to decieve
nasri not sure
sagna not showing the promise he had in his first year
gallas has been
vermaelen stil adjusting but getting there
clichy brain dead
eboue well the only utility player that can actually do the job
almunia need i say more
denilson no words
vela wtf happened amigo?
silvestre the name says it all

shall i go on?

Keep the faith!! A good team is greater than the sum of its parts.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: DeSoWa on February 10, 2010, 03:44:00 PM
 ;D

Big Up!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on February 10, 2010, 03:50:53 PM
Seriously the last two minutes just shows how Walcott lacks any thought to his play. Every other player would protect it down by the touch line and waste time. What does he do?????
Good game by Arsenal even though they were still wasteful in front of goal. Defensively they  limited Liverpool to very few real chances.

Well done Gunners doing the double over Liverpool.

PS: Gerrard should never talk about players diving.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 10, 2010, 03:59:11 PM
still looking like we suffering manu n chelsea hangovers

but wenger switch things up a bit

and who was i kidding? bendnter is still bendtner

and rosicky wasted a great chance

3 points manu dropped two and chelsea dropped 3
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 10, 2010, 04:03:02 PM
diaby no clue

diaby is one of arsenal's strongest players this season, when fit of course.
right he make me eat meh words good show diaby
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on February 10, 2010, 04:14:20 PM
and who was i kidding? bendnter is still bendtner

i only saw the last 25 mins of the game today, so i didnt see much of bendtner. but from what i saw in his appearances against man utd and chelsea, he is not back to full fitness yet. arsenal needs the presence up front and they seem to be rushing him back to give them that. you can see that he isnt running and moving freely. so give the man a chance to get back to where he needs to be before you criticise too much. i think he is a decent player and has improved alot in the last couple seasons. he isnt the greatest player in the world but he could provide a useful attacking option for them in the absence of van persie. hopefully he proves me right in the run in for this season. just give him the time to return to fitness.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on February 10, 2010, 07:44:35 PM
diaby no clue

diaby is one of arsenal's strongest players this season, when fit of course.
right he make me eat meh words good show diaby

He looked very good today, so did Song, Eboue and Gallas. Can't say I am a Bendtner fan, he always looks like he is labouring and a step behind his team mates. Today Arsenal midfield did some excellent running to get behind Liverpool.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on February 10, 2010, 09:02:13 PM
diaby no clue

diaby is one of arsenal's strongest players this season, when fit of course.
right he make me eat meh words good show diaby

He looked very good today, so did Song, Eboue and Gallas. Can't say I am a Bendtner fan, he always looks like he is labouring and a step behind his team mates. Today Arsenal midfield did some excellent running to get behind Liverpool.

Just watched the game and I think Bendtner did his role ok. He lost the ball on a few occasions but he did hold the ball up well and cause problems for liverpool's defense on other occasions. He does look like his is labouring a bit still. But that's because he isn't fully fit.

I thought Arshavin was great in the second half. Happy to see him operating from the outside and not playing the central striker. I also think Rosicky is a far better player than Nasri and that should be the front three. Bendtner with Rosicky and Arshavin supporting him. Hopefully Arshavin's injury isn't serious.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 11, 2010, 06:21:32 PM
i think ideal arsenal line up

almunia

eboue gallas vermaelen clichy

song cesc diaby

rosicky bendtner arshavin

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on February 13, 2010, 01:16:31 PM
http://www.dnaindia.com/sport/report_arsenal-signs-marouane-chamakh-for-10-4-million_1347266

Bordeaux striker Marouane Chamakh will be an Arsenal player this summer after agreeing to a four-year 10.4 million pound deal ...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 14, 2010, 02:11:27 PM
http://www.dnaindia.com/sport/report_arsenal-signs-marouane-chamakh-for-10-4-million_1347266

Bordeaux striker Marouane Chamakh will be an Arsenal player this summer after agreeing to a four-year 10.4 million pound deal ...

i doh care bout summer transfers

i really care about the next game esp porto away and how many injuries we have then sunderland
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 16, 2010, 05:49:31 PM
what an injury list!

copied from arsenal.com

Arsenal must negotiate a tough Champions League trip to Porto without a number of first-team regulars.

Andrey Arshavin and Alex Song picked up injuries during last week's win over Liverpool and they have not recovered in time for the first leg against the Portuguese champions. What's more, they have been joined on the sidelines by William Gallas and Manuel Almunia. Meanwhile Eduardo, tipped for a return on Wednesday night, is still unavailable.

Arsène Wenger ran through his list of walking wounded before his 18-man squad boarded their flight to Portugal on Tuesday afternoon.

"William Gallas has a calf injury. Alex Song has a knee injury. Andrey Arshavin has a hamstring injury," said Wenger.

"Manuel Almunia has a finger injury, and the hand is quite useful for goalkeepers. He had already a twisted finger and he made it worse and I didn’t want to take a gamble on it. Eduardo has a recurrence of his hamstring injury."

Long-term absentees Robin Van Persie, Kieran Gibbs and Johan Djourou are also absent but Carlos Vela returns from a knee injury.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: elan on February 17, 2010, 03:06:13 PM
Alyuh seeing trouble boy. Alyuh being undone by to school yard goals.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: elan on February 17, 2010, 03:40:01 PM
Hard luck dey, but you all need to play with an end in mind.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on February 17, 2010, 03:51:01 PM
lukas fabianski boy...

man look worst than even me in a fete match under level beers on them 2 goals yes.

Cant believe he first pick up the back pass, then proceed to hand over the ball and allow them to take the quick free kick to bore on the last goal.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: theworm2345 on February 17, 2010, 04:27:20 PM
The referee who had a hand in Porto's winner was the same f*cking idiot who allowed Henry's handball to stand.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: xixgon on February 17, 2010, 04:43:34 PM
The referee who had a hand in Porto's winner was the same f*cking idiot who allowed Henry's handball to stand.

Haha, so you trying to say the goal was illegal den?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: theworm2345 on February 17, 2010, 04:46:00 PM
The referee who had a hand in Porto's winner was the same f*cking idiot who allowed Henry's handball to stand.

Haha, so you trying to say the goal was illegal den?
The blame for the goal(s) is mostly on Fabianski.  However, Hansson blocked Campbell from getting behind the ball and perhaps should have given Arsenal time to get back.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: xixgon on February 17, 2010, 04:55:32 PM
The referee who had a hand in Porto's winner was the same f*cking idiot who allowed Henry's handball to stand.

Haha, so you trying to say the goal was illegal den?
The blame for the goal(s) is mostly on Fabianski.  However, Hansson blocked Campbell from getting behind the ball and should have given Arsenal time to get back.  Also, I'm not sure how intentional the back pass was.

I don't see how the ref could have interpreted it as anything other than a backpass, and from the time Fabianski picked it up you could tell that Campbell knew what might be coming. Also, Campbell didn't seem like he was trying to get back at all, he was catching his breath and failed to show much of the experience that he was in the team to bring (neither did Vermaelen to be fair).

A backpass leads to an indirect free kick which can be taken once the ref is satisfied that it's from the right spot and that there aren't any other issues to be addressed - it's the same in the penalty area as in any other part of the pitch as far as I know.

The ref wasn't obliged to do Arsenal any favours, and it was just quick thinking on Porto's part to capitalize on Arsenal's lackadaisical defending. Lapses in awareness, positioning and communication like this have haunted Arsenal all season.

That said, 2-1 is not a horrible result - it could have been worse - and Arsenal should be confident of overturning this result at the Emirates.

 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: MarylandTrini on February 17, 2010, 05:06:10 PM
Fabianski 100% at fault for the first goal.

For the 2nd, he was actually holding on to the ball (as he should). The ref asked for the ball, and set it down in front of the Porto player. No keeper would go stand in front of the ball. That is for the defender to do. Sol was partially blocked, partially catching breath/sleeping. Usually though the ref should signal to allow them to take it early. He just put the ball down and watch them score.

I'd say the ref was too eager to give them back the ball, but Sol should've been aware.

2-1 is not ideal, but not THAT bad considering we had 5 players out (apart from the long terms). We should be able to do a 2-0 at the Emirates. 1-0 is too risky to sit back on, especially with our keepers.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 17, 2010, 11:32:40 PM
what f**kinanski ever

two goals from nothing

we gave it away

advantage porto we have some serious work to do

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on February 18, 2010, 12:20:41 AM
The referee who had a hand in Porto's winner was the same f*cking idiot who allowed Henry's handball to stand.

Haha, so you trying to say the goal was illegal den?

  Not only that but I seem to recall thierry henry scoring a quickly taken free-kick against.....somebody(...mighta been Chelsea) a few years ago and I didn't hear any arsenal fans callin' the ref names (or anything like that) then.  Fabianski was to blame for BOTH goals!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 18, 2010, 06:47:57 AM
The referee who had a hand in Porto's winner was the same f*cking idiot who allowed Henry's handball to stand.

Haha, so you trying to say the goal was illegal den?

  Not only that but I seem to recall thierry henry scoring a quickly taken free-kick against.....somebody(...mighta been Chelsea) a few years ago and I didn't hear any arsenal fans callin' the ref names (or anything like that) then.  Fabianski was to blame for BOTH goals!!

read my reply to the thread on that specific goal

thierry scored quick free kicks and from then on referees have always shown the whislte for any kick near or in the penalty area, fabianski gave up the foul, the ref lost control

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kicker on February 18, 2010, 04:33:15 PM
2-1 is not a bad loss on the road.

3-2 and 4-3 of course are better losing scorelines in a road game, but how often do you really get those scorelines?  I'd say for a team traveling, losing 2-1 is easy to psychologically shake off, and get back to business at home. 

Getting shut out on the road (like Madrid did) is nerve-wracking because one mental lapse at home could mean that you need to score 3....and that is an uphill battle against anybody. 

Smart money says Arsenal turns this one around at the Emirates. 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on February 18, 2010, 09:41:53 PM
The referee who had a hand in Porto's winner was the same f*cking idiot who allowed Henry's handball to stand.

Haha, so you trying to say the goal was illegal den?

  Not only that but I seem to recall thierry henry scoring a quickly taken free-kick against.....somebody(...mighta been Chelsea) a few years ago and I didn't hear any arsenal fans callin' the ref names (or anything like that) then.  Fabianski was to blame for BOTH goals!!

read my reply to the thread on that specific goal

thierry scored quick free kicks and from then on referees have always shown the whislte for any kick near or in the penalty area, fabianski gave up the foul, the ref lost control




 Where's almunia when you need him?!  :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 20, 2010, 10:59:16 AM
ah boy grinding out the results! a finish above manu in the league will do nicely

i doh see chelsea dropping more points unless manu poison them but they still need to drop at least an other game or two draw results

basically all things considered, arsenal go unbeaten to end of season
manu hopefully loose another game or draw two we go second
chelsea need to loose two or draw three and we are tied on points so goal difference will be the edge and that means scoring alot more than we concede

fair performance today, eboue was effective but more so that walcott, someone needs to sit with theo and tell him to raise he head that and we should be bombing into the box when theo rushes down the flank

ah wondering just how many injuries we have now

oh and a clean sheet too
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on February 20, 2010, 11:22:36 AM
ah boy grinding out the results! a finish above manu in the league will do nicely

i doh see chelsea dropping more points unless manu poison them but they still need to drop at least an other game or two draw results

basically all things considered, arsenal go unbeaten to end of season
manu hopefully loose another game or draw two we go second
chelsea need to loose two or draw three and we are tied on points so goal difference will be the edge and that means scoring alot more than we concede

fair performance today, eboue was effective but more so that walcott, someone needs to sit with theo and tell him to raise he head that and we should be bombing into the box when theo rushes down the flank

ah wondering just how many injuries we have now

oh and a clean sheet too

Good result from a tired performance. One game at at time, still desperatly need a striker and or goals.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: onlikecorn on February 21, 2010, 01:28:58 AM
ah boy grinding out the results! a finish above manu in the league will do nicely

i doh see chelsea dropping more points unless manu poison them but they still need to drop at least an other game or two draw results

basically all things considered, arsenal go unbeaten to end of season
manu hopefully loose another game or draw two we go second
chelsea need to loose two or draw three and we are tied on points so goal difference will be the edge and that means scoring alot more than we concede

fair performance today, eboue was effective but more so that walcott, someone needs to sit with theo and tell him to raise he head that and we should be bombing into the box when theo rushes down the flank

ah wondering just how many injuries we have now

oh and a clean sheet too


There are points to drop still . . . . chelsea still have to play manchester and liverpool  . . . manchester still have to play chelsea and liverpool . . . . and as we saw all season . . . very unpredictable this season . . smaller teams puuting in some good performances (burnley vs manchester; hull vs chelsea) .. . so it still have points to lose . . . having said that . . arsenal still have manchester city and tottenham to go . . so still lots of twists and turns to go before we find out for sure who will take the title .. .

also arsenal need to show more conviction in the box. . . bentdnar still lookin scared to re-injure himself. . . and he even movin stiff still . . .but the goal will do his confidence good.  . .Walcott also got some confidence from this game too . ..  nasri needs a confidence boost  . or a boost ah something . . cuz he plenty better than how he playin now. . . and i wish rosicky gets to play more. . i think when he is on the field  .. . he makes things happen . ..
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Blue on February 21, 2010, 05:09:46 AM
ah boy grinding out the results! a finish above manu in the league will do nicely

i doh see chelsea dropping more points unless manu poison them but they still need to drop at least an other game or two draw results

basically all things considered, arsenal go unbeaten to end of season
manu hopefully loose another game or draw two we go second
chelsea need to loose two or draw three and we are tied on points so goal difference will be the edge and that means scoring alot more than we concede

fair performance today, eboue was effective but more so that walcott, someone needs to sit with theo and tell him to raise he head that and we should be bombing into the box when theo rushes down the flank

ah wondering just how many injuries we have now

oh and a clean sheet too

under all seriousness, yall will get beat by stoke next week.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 22, 2010, 03:04:35 PM
ah boy grinding out the results! a finish above manu in the league will do nicely

i doh see chelsea dropping more points unless manu poison them but they still need to drop at least an other game or two draw results

basically all things considered, arsenal go unbeaten to end of season
manu hopefully loose another game or draw two we go second
chelsea need to loose two or draw three and we are tied on points so goal difference will be the edge and that means scoring alot more than we concede

fair performance today, eboue was effective but more so that walcott, someone needs to sit with theo and tell him to raise he head that and we should be bombing into the box when theo rushes down the flank

ah wondering just how many injuries we have now

oh and a clean sheet too

under all seriousness, yall will get beat by stoke next week.
yuh hope!

but from all accounts influential players like diaby and arshavin shoul dbe back for this game, with song n diaby we got the muscle needed to put one over stoke since we lost to them away this season and last seasons difficulties
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 26, 2010, 09:18:52 PM
ah boy grinding out the results! a finish above manu in the league will do nicely

i doh see chelsea dropping more points unless manu poison them but they still need to drop at least an other game or two draw results

basically all things considered, arsenal go unbeaten to end of season
manu hopefully loose another game or draw two we go second
chelsea need to loose two or draw three and we are tied on points so goal difference will be the edge and that means scoring alot more than we concede

fair performance today, eboue was effective but more so that walcott, someone needs to sit with theo and tell him to raise he head that and we should be bombing into the box when theo rushes down the flank

ah wondering just how many injuries we have now

oh and a clean sheet too

under all seriousness, yall will get beat by stoke next week.
yuh hope!

but from all accounts influential players like diaby and arshavin shoul dbe back for this game, with song n diaby we got the muscle needed to put one over stoke since we lost to them away this season and last seasons difficulties

ah quoting mehself now buh say what

well diaby and arshavin and gallas out

so i think is d same line up dat faced sunderland

heres hoping walcott tire out dey defense, and we front line and midfeild attack d far post when walcott cross he wild cross
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on February 27, 2010, 12:34:30 PM
Where allyuh?

Chelsea Forever full of Arsenal fans.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on February 27, 2010, 12:42:59 PM
Where allyuh?

Chelsea Forever full of Arsenal fans trolls.

  Ah fix it fuh yuh.  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on February 27, 2010, 01:02:30 PM
Wow, Tackle on Ramsey.
Straight from the field to the ambulance.
They eh even showing replays. The youthman who make the tackle and get a red look stricken.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on February 27, 2010, 01:08:49 PM
Wow, Tackle on Ramsey.
Straight from the field to the ambulance.
They eh even showing replays. The youthman who make the tackle and get a red look stricken.

Given the kinda tackles the EPL condones, we will be seeing this sorta thing time and time again. 
That is the way english football is played.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on February 27, 2010, 01:09:08 PM
Wow, Tackle on Ramsey.
Straight from the field to the ambulance.
They eh even showing replays. The youthman who make the tackle and get a red look stricken.

The way his leg was hanging from the knee it look very very serious. Hope its not too serious. Noticeable though the game lost sting from both sides.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on February 27, 2010, 01:15:03 PM
yeah, you could see where players not putting in a foot anymore.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 27, 2010, 01:32:37 PM
fouk way wit stoke in dey rugby playing containers
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kev on February 27, 2010, 01:43:51 PM
Ramsey nicked it past as he went to clear, tbh one of those things rather than malicious, studs up/ through back of player or anything like that. 

Suspect he is out for a very long time possibly even career threatening it looked in bits, hope he recovers but don't think it was meant in any way.

Someone has put it up on youtube suggest if you are squeamish watch the tackle and stop it.

http://www.youtube.com/user/nyc1585#p/a/u/0/TFE5VVq9a7w
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on February 27, 2010, 01:45:52 PM
Suspect he is out for a very long time possibly even career threatening it looked in bits, hope he recovers but don't think it was meant in any way.

I'm worried about that. Especially as he is only 19. That have to be a real hard thing for anyone (for more a youth) to deal with.
Title: arsenals season
Post by: HEADS HIGH on February 27, 2010, 01:46:10 PM
nasty brake !!!now we wont win
arsenal's season is over if we dont win
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Reaper2004 on February 27, 2010, 01:47:58 PM
Ramsey nicked it past as he went to clear, tbh one of those things rather than malicious, studs up/ through back of player or anything like that. 

Suspect he is out for a very long time possibly even career threatening it looked in bits, hope he recovers but don't think it was meant in any way.

Someone has put it up on youtube suggest if you are squeamish watch the tackle and stop it.

http://www.youtube.com/user/nyc1585#p/a/u/0/TFE5VVq9a7w

May not be an Arsenal fan but Aaron Ramsey did NOT deserve that tackle. my thoughts an respect are with him.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: triniairman on February 27, 2010, 01:57:36 PM
Suspect he is out for a very long time possibly even career threatening it looked in bits, hope he recovers but don't think it was meant in any way.

I'm worried about that. Especially as he is only 19. That have to be a real hard thing for anyone (for more a youth) to deal with.
I hope it is not career ending, that will be devastating to the youth. I wish him a speedy recovery. I honestly don't think Shawcross meant to hurt him.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Tallman on February 27, 2010, 02:09:36 PM
Wow, Tackle on Ramsey.
Straight from the field to the ambulance.
They eh even showing replays. The youthman who make the tackle and get a red look stricken.

The way his leg was hanging from the knee it look very very serious. Hope its not too serious. Noticeable though the game lost sting from both sides.

(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/47387000/jpg/_47387837_ramsey.jpg)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kev on February 27, 2010, 02:31:47 PM
Picture of Cisse's leg after one of his injuries (similar ish), hope Ramseys recovers as he did


(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d145/MickyHatton/cisse.jpg)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: elan on February 27, 2010, 02:49:30 PM
That's that same shyte football they come against Sunderland with. Is a good thing KJ strong.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 27, 2010, 03:45:34 PM
video and pictures show it is similar to eduardo

that tackle was different though

and eduardo dislocated his ankle and broke both bones

taylor tackel was big and stupid

shawcross was full blooded and committed but certainly not meant to catch the player

none the less had he got the ball i doubt the injury woulda be as bad

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on February 27, 2010, 03:47:11 PM
good win for the gunners!   

the run is going to be very interesting

get well soon ramsey!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 27, 2010, 03:52:17 PM
still a shakey performance

BUT

we ground out another win

burnley at home next
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on February 27, 2010, 04:16:43 PM
video and pictures show it is similar to eduardo

that tackle was different though

and eduardo dislocated his ankle and broke both bones

taylor tackel was big and stupid

shawcross was full blooded and committed but certainly not meant to catch the player

none the less had he got the ball i doubt the injury woulda be as bad



...agree with you fully....I was looking hard to see what went wrong with that tackle and it's hard to see so the level of recklessness is hard to judge.....ramsey coulda just had his foot in a unfortunate position.  It look more like a clash of shins, but the jury is still out....
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 27, 2010, 04:19:00 PM
video and pictures show it is similar to eduardo

that tackle was different though

and eduardo dislocated his ankle and broke both bones

taylor tackel was big and stupid

shawcross was full blooded and committed but certainly not meant to catch the player

none the less had he got the ball i doubt the injury woulda be as bad



...agree with you fully....I was looking hard to see what went wrong with that tackle and it's hard to see so the level of recklessness is hard to judge.....ramsey coulda just had his foot in a unfortunate position.  It look more like a clash of shins, but the jury is still out....

shawcross miss d ball and hit ramsey leg when was planted full force
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on February 27, 2010, 04:30:31 PM
video and pictures show it is similar to eduardo

that tackle was different though

and eduardo dislocated his ankle and broke both bones

taylor tackel was big and stupid

shawcross was full blooded and committed but certainly not meant to catch the player

none the less had he got the ball i doubt the injury woulda be as bad



...agree with you fully....I was looking hard to see what went wrong with that tackle and it's hard to see so the level of recklessness is hard to judge.....ramsey coulda just had his foot in a unfortunate position.  It look more like a clash of shins, but the jury is still out....

shawcross miss d ball and hit ramsey leg when was planted full force


 I could see that much, but what part of Shawcross foot was it that broke ramsey's leg?  Was it his studs, his shin, his knee?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Feliziano on February 27, 2010, 04:54:44 PM
At first glance while watching the game live it seemed a 50-50 ball.
Now after watching the replay I still think it was a 50-50 ball and that was not a red card.
Shawcross foot never even leave the ground..seems like it was shin to shin contact.
The ref choke on that call after seeing Ramsey leg bent outta position.
Anyway hope Ramsey recovers soon and Shawcross ent go mental over it.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Daft Trini on February 27, 2010, 04:57:17 PM
At first glance while watching the game live it seemed a 50-50 ball.
Now after watching the replay I still think it was a 50-50 ball and that was not a red card.
Shawcross foot never even leave the ground..seems like it was shin to shin contact.
The ref choke on that call after seeing Ramsey leg bent outta position.
Anyway hope Ramsey recovers soon and Shawcross ent go mental over it.

Looked like strength on strength and age win...!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on February 27, 2010, 05:14:01 PM
At first glance while watching the game live it seemed a 50-50 ball.
Now after watching the replay I still think it was a 50-50 ball and that was not a red card.
Shawcross foot never even leave the ground..seems like it was shin to shin contact.
The ref choke on that call after seeing Ramsey leg bent outta position.
Anyway hope Ramsey recovers soon and Shawcross ent go mental over it.

   ....this is what I thought and wanted to confirm....the only view I could see, it look more like Shawcross whole body slid into him.....a hard luck on both sides...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: doc on February 27, 2010, 05:19:03 PM
At first glance while watching the game live it seemed a 50-50 ball.
Now after watching the replay I still think it was a 50-50 ball and that was not a red card.
Shawcross foot never even leave the ground..seems like it was shin to shin contact.
The ref choke on that call after seeing Ramsey leg bent outta position.
Anyway hope Ramsey recovers soon and Shawcross ent go mental over it.

   ....this is what I thought and wanted to confirm....the only view I could see, it look more like Shawcross whole body slid into him.....a hard luck on both sides...
I would use the "R" word - reckless for what you describe there  :( >:(
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on February 27, 2010, 05:26:45 PM
At first glance while watching the game live it seemed a 50-50 ball.
Now after watching the replay I still think it was a 50-50 ball and that was not a red card.
Shawcross foot never even leave the ground..seems like it was shin to shin contact.
The ref choke on that call after seeing Ramsey leg bent outta position.
Anyway hope Ramsey recovers soon and Shawcross ent go mental over it.

   ....this is what I thought and wanted to confirm....the only view I could see, it look more like Shawcross whole body slid into him.....a hard luck on both sides...
I would use the "R" word - reckless for what you describe there  :( >:(

A skate tackle isn't necessarily reckless just because you make contact with an opponent.  If you can't stop your momentum, the opponent move late and no studs were shown and it wasn't no short flight is just a hard luck.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: ckhan on February 28, 2010, 05:46:04 AM
Shawcross was picked fuh de England friendly against Eygpt this week, bitter/sweet I guess.  The youth left the field crying last night. It was not a malice tackle, just that Ramsey was quicker and it looked like he (Ramsey) foot was awarked before the contact.

Listening to the radio stations suggest the majority believe that it was an unfortunate tackle and Wenger was out of line with his post comments.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on February 28, 2010, 06:17:18 AM
I fail to see how people could think Wegner was out of line by saying that 3 major injuries in 5 years cannot be just written off as coincidental.

He never specified that Shawcross was attempting to injure Ramsey and I don't think that anyone in their right mind thinks so. What he was referring to was the "To beat Arsenal you have to get stuck into them" mentality that makes players tackle that much harder and leads to these incidents.

I agree with what he said. If this happened to Rooney, Lampard or any other English star you would see how different the English media would be.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: ckhan on February 28, 2010, 06:27:13 AM
The folks (both callers and presenters) at Talk Sport and Five Live believe that Wenger comments portray that Arsenal are vicitms of bully football and that teams are set to rough them up regardless. 

Personally, Wenger should not have done the interview and wait until the next day to response since emotions were running high.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 28, 2010, 06:35:27 AM
I fail to see how people could think Wegner was out of line by saying that 3 major injuries in 5 years cannot be just written off as coincidental.

He never specified that Shawcross was attempting to injure Ramsey and I don't think that anyone in their right mind thinks so. What he was referring to was the "To beat Arsenal you have to get stuck into them" mentality that makes players tackle that much harder and leads to these incidents.

I agree with what he said. If this happened to Rooney, Lampard or any other English star you would see how different the English media would be.



we know the british media feed the paranoia xenophobic public who only love a foreigner when they provide joy
the brit media never wail on rooney and gerrards diving i mean simulation but target foregin players who do the same and even vilify those who were absolved of any such simulation (aka eduardo v celtic)
and its easy to hate arsenal
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 28, 2010, 06:47:26 AM
analysis of the incident shows ramsey leg was planted (like eduardo)
and the angle of the tackle combined with the full weight of shawcross throwing his whole body into a 50/50 tackle and missing the ball meant ramsey future is uncertain

wenger's point is that those tackles are what teams come to arsenal willing and geared up to do because they know it puts us off and heres the thing if arsenal pull out of those tackles we are called soft

wenger has every right to make his comment even cesc echoed the concerns, 3 in 5 years is not coincidence

but until reffs get things right like shirt pulling, diving and making these calls consistently and correctly every single time then players will always push the envelope of the laws

i dont care if ppl say this will disrupts the "flow" of the game, and it will at first until players conform

it takes a better athlete and footballer to time a tackle and win the ball with out potentially ending a players game week month season or career
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: xixgon on February 28, 2010, 08:34:50 AM
analysis of the incident shows ramsey leg was planted (like eduardo)
and the angle of the tackle combined with the full weight of shawcross throwing his whole body into a 50/50 tackle and missing the ball meant ramsey future is uncertain

wenger's point is that those tackles are what teams come to arsenal willing and geared up to do because they know it puts us off and heres the thing if arsenal pull out of those tackles we are called soft

wenger has every right to make his comment even cesc echoed the concerns, 3 in 5 years is not coincidence

but until reffs get things right like shirt pulling, diving and making these calls consistently and correctly every single time then players will always push the envelope of the laws

i dont care if ppl say this will disrupts the "flow" of the game, and it will at first until players conform

it takes a better athlete and footballer to time a tackle and win the ball with out potentially ending a players game week month season or career



An unfortunate challenge, but definitely not a malicious one. Whether Shawcross deserved to go or not for that challenge is debatable – and it’s entirely plausible that it could have easily been him that was injured in that incident instead of Ramsey. It was just one of those things – and Shawcross doesn’t deserve anything more than the mandatory 3 match ban, if anything.

That Arsenal somehow don’t mete poor challenges like everyone else though is ridiculous. Diaby & Eboue are known culprits – and Fabregas himself is guilty of late/from behind challenges in many games that he features in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuOQ08tbdyk&fmt=18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NAzlAkL6Gs&fmt=18

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-552928/Wenger-worst-kind-hypocrite-condemning-Diaby-horror-tackle-slamming-Taylor-his.html


I wish Ramsey well, but Wenger calling the tackle "horrendous" is a bit off the mark. It's also difficult to take him seriously when he fails to criticize his own players for any transgressions that they commit on the pitch.


To the point about the English media coddling it's native players - you may have a point - but this is not entirely true.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1250236/Steven-Gerrard-Liverpool-captain-England-international--serial-diver.html
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: D.H.W on February 28, 2010, 08:38:56 AM
so i see another man leg break today, WTF is this why arsenal so. same nasty break leg,  :'(  :(
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on February 28, 2010, 08:49:02 AM
analysis of the incident shows ramsey leg was planted (like eduardo)
and the angle of the tackle combined with the full weight of shawcross throwing his whole body into a 50/50 tackle and missing the ball meant ramsey future is uncertain

wenger's point is that those tackles are what teams come to arsenal willing and geared up to do because they know it puts us off and heres the thing if arsenal pull out of those tackles we are called soft

wenger has every right to make his comment even cesc echoed the concerns, 3 in 5 years is not coincidence

but until reffs get things right like shirt pulling, diving and making these calls consistently and correctly every single time then players will always push the envelope of the laws

i dont care if ppl say this will disrupts the "flow" of the game, and it will at first until players conform

it takes a better athlete and footballer to time a tackle and win the ball with out potentially ending a players game week month season or career



An unfortunate challenge, but definitely not a malicious one. Whether Shawcross deserved to go or not for that challenge is debatable – and it’s entirely plausible that it could have easily been him that was injured in that incident instead of Ramsey. It was just one of those things – and Shawcross doesn’t deserve anything more than the mandatory 3 match ban, if anything.

That Arsenal somehow don’t mete poor challenges like everyone else though is ridiculous. Diaby & Eboue are known culprits – and Fabregas himself is guilty of late/from behind challenges in many games that he features in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuOQ08tbdyk&fmt=18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NAzlAkL6Gs&fmt=18

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-552928/Wenger-worst-kind-hypocrite-condemning-Diaby-horror-tackle-slamming-Taylor-his.html


I wish Ramsey well, but Wenger calling the tackle "horrendous" is a bit off the mark. It's also difficult to take him seriously when he fails to criticize his own players for any transgressions that they commit on the pitch.


To the point about the English media coddling it's native players - you may have a point - but this is not entirely true.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1250236/Steven-Gerrard-Liverpool-captain-England-international--serial-diver.html


  Thank you xixgon....you saved me a whole lot of time.  :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: D.H.W on February 28, 2010, 08:50:18 AM
(http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/07e56Tw7zN2rN/x610.jpg)

(http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/08FhdJMdAS8zo/610x.jpg)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 28, 2010, 09:11:40 AM
analysis of the incident shows ramsey leg was planted (like eduardo)
and the angle of the tackle combined with the full weight of shawcross throwing his whole body into a 50/50 tackle and missing the ball meant ramsey future is uncertain

wenger's point is that those tackles are what teams come to arsenal willing and geared up to do because they know it puts us off and heres the thing if arsenal pull out of those tackles we are called soft

wenger has every right to make his comment even cesc echoed the concerns, 3 in 5 years is not coincidence

but until reffs get things right like shirt pulling, diving and making these calls consistently and correctly every single time then players will always push the envelope of the laws

i dont care if ppl say this will disrupts the "flow" of the game, and it will at first until players conform

it takes a better athlete and footballer to time a tackle and win the ball with out potentially ending a players game week month season or career



An unfortunate challenge, but definitely not a malicious one. Whether Shawcross deserved to go or not for that challenge is debatable – and it’s entirely plausible that it could have easily been him that was injured in that incident instead of Ramsey. It was just one of those things – and Shawcross doesn’t deserve anything more than the mandatory 3 match ban, if anything.

That Arsenal somehow don’t mete poor challenges like everyone else though is ridiculous. Diaby & Eboue are known culprits – and Fabregas himself is guilty of late/from behind challenges in many games that he features in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuOQ08tbdyk&fmt=18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NAzlAkL6Gs&fmt=18

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-552928/Wenger-worst-kind-hypocrite-condemning-Diaby-horror-tackle-slamming-Taylor-his.html


I wish Ramsey well, but Wenger calling the tackle "horrendous" is a bit off the mark. It's also difficult to take him seriously when he fails to criticize his own players for any transgressions that they commit on the pitch.


To the point about the English media coddling it's native players - you may have a point - but this is not entirely true.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1250236/Steven-Gerrard-Liverpool-captain-England-international--serial-diver.html


  Thank you xixgon....you saved me a whole lot of time.  :beermug:

both of you missing the point!

did i say lynch shawcross? no

what about roy keane deliberate tackle on a few me with intent to hurt? this isnt about pointing fingers

will say it again ramsey leg broke becauce his foot was planted shawcross wasnt and had his full accelerated mass hitting the fimrly planted leg, it doesnt take much to break a human bone, but it take alot to snap two of them in half

same thing on eduardo his leg was planted and the full weight of taylor is what did the damage

plus had sharcross been given a yellow which would be insulting because one he mistimed the challenge he wouldnt have been in any state of mind to carry on

stop jumping on arsenal back

again have this happen to any english player or a manu or chelsea player this forum and world media will be up in arms

flip the coin, have an arsneal player break another players leg and we would eb labeled monsters

but say what f**k all ya'll hope this never happens to any of your players yuh cowardly f**kwits
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 28, 2010, 09:22:29 AM
analysis of the incident shows ramsey leg was planted (like eduardo)
and the angle of the tackle combined with the full weight of shawcross throwing his whole body into a 50/50 tackle and missing the ball meant ramsey future is uncertain

wenger's point is that those tackles are what teams come to arsenal willing and geared up to do because they know it puts us off and heres the thing if arsenal pull out of those tackles we are called soft

wenger has every right to make his comment even cesc echoed the concerns, 3 in 5 years is not coincidence

but until reffs get things right like shirt pulling, diving and making these calls consistently and correctly every single time then players will always push the envelope of the laws

i dont care if ppl say this will disrupts the "flow" of the game, and it will at first until players conform

it takes a better athlete and footballer to time a tackle and win the ball with out potentially ending a players game week month season or career



An unfortunate challenge, but definitely not a malicious one. Whether Shawcross deserved to go or not for that challenge is debatable – and it’s entirely plausible that it could have easily been him that was injured in that incident instead of Ramsey. It was just one of those things – and Shawcross doesn’t deserve anything more than the mandatory 3 match ban, if anything.

That Arsenal somehow don’t mete poor challenges like everyone else though is ridiculous. Diaby & Eboue are known culprits – and Fabregas himself is guilty of late/from behind challenges in many games that he features in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuOQ08tbdyk&fmt=18

bad tackle from eboue but he was standing not a flying lunge, still a bad tackle


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NAzlAkL6Gs&fmt=18

diaby was playing the ball and only the ball, also players were on an acute angle, snieder leg got caught under because diaby went to ground, still a bad tackle but wasnt playing the player just like shawcross

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-552928/Wenger-worst-kind-hypocrite-condemning-Diaby-horror-tackle-slamming-Taylor-his.

that is blatant and not sure what diaby got for that, if it was red then definitely, like i said until reffs penalise this everysingle time it will continue to happen


I wish Ramsey well, but Wenger calling the tackle "horrendous" is a bit off the mark. It's also difficult to take him seriously when he fails to criticize his own players for any transgressions that they commit on the pitch.


To the point about the English media coddling it's native players - you may have a point - but this is not entirely true.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1250236/Steven-Gerrard-Liverpool-captain-England-international--serial-diver.html

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Deeks on February 28, 2010, 12:11:34 PM
It was very had to watch that scene, after having experienced two situations in which I was involved back home. Not nice, fellas
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kev on February 28, 2010, 02:21:44 PM
Wenger is regarded by most fans as a great manager, that has he side playing how they would like their sides to play.

However similar to Ferguson Mourhino etc for the neutrels he has a major flaw which does him little credit.

Yes Arsenal have had 3 players injured like this but look through the leagues and I bet that there are many players with breaks over that period of time. 

Arsenal themselves had a very physical team under Wenger and collected red cards like they were going out of fashion with some very bad tackles, he said nothing about it.

Indeed the next time one of his players goes through the back of someone and puts them out for a few months, I would hope Wenger does the gentlemantly think and in addition to the 3 match ban, adds another 7 games on etc as a lesson to his players.  Wenger never sees anything his players do, whether its bad fouls, diving etc.  His interview is a nonsense and would have football as a non contact sport,  I will guarantee when it happens over the next few weeks Wenger doesn't see it or the player didn't do it and the ref got it wrong. 

Unfortunately everybody knew what he was going to say before he said it, not becasue it was true but because of what he has said in teh past and his one eyed view of the incidents within a game.  He does himself no justice when he goes on like this.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 01, 2010, 06:06:30 PM
copied from arsenal-mania.com

Former Arsenal goalkeeper and coach Bob Wilson says that he managed to get in touch with midfielder Aaron Ramsey on Saturday evening, and revealed that the Welshman was doing 'okay'.

Ramsey underwent emergency surgery after suffering a double compound fracture in the match against Stoke City. He is the third Arsenal player in four years to have suffered a broken leg, with Abou Diaby and Eduardo having suffered similar injuries.

Wilson said: "I managed to get a message through to the Arsenal physio to find out how Aaron was doing and the answer was he was doing well.

"I was told that he was feeling very little pain following surgery so I sent a text to Aaron and I received a little message back saying 'I'm doing OK'.

"But it is a career-threatening injury, a double compound fracture.

"In the time I played, Don Howe had a similar injury, tibia and fibula through the skin, which is obviously horrific, and he didn't play again.

"Clearly it's a huge setback but I think Aaron will be back. Modern science will aid that recovery. He's a very, very special talent."
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 01, 2010, 06:09:09 PM
just another point

for all those who say wenger had a team that dished out as good as they got

bear these points in mind
1 wenger inherited most of his "bad boys"
2 wenger shaped them into a formidable team of fluid football and extended thier careers
3 viera might have been a hard tackler and collected many reds (still doing it today) but he never broke anyone's leg
4 not one of wengers players have in his 13yrs at the helm
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bourbon on March 01, 2010, 06:59:35 PM
So I trying to understand exactly what meant by 3 in 5 years not being a coincidence supposed to mean. Somebody could explain it to me so i doh get de wrong impression please?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 01, 2010, 09:30:40 PM
man i want a transcript of bobby macmahon on fox soccer report tonight

bobby is a neutral party and a very level headed, experienced, knowledgable and unbiased account of the shawcross tackle on ramsey

he used the word "scythe" to describe shawcross's tackle

i wish most of the media and management in football had an ounce of the sense that bobby talks
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 01, 2010, 09:35:30 PM
So I trying to understand exactly what meant by 3 in 5 years not being a coincidence supposed to mean. Somebody could explain it to me so i doh get de wrong impression please?

meaning that arsenal players have to face near violent tackles and expected to accept it as an "accident" who else lost a player to broken (both and or ankle) to a tackle in the last 5years?

and if so have any other players on same said side been injured the same way?

also why is it that it is mid and lower table teams dishing out these types of tackles?
because they do nto posses the tallent and technical ability of the top teams and have to use phyical bullying to give thier team an advantage.

all well and good, but do it within the laws of the game and that type of tackle no matter how nice the executioner is HAS NO PLACE IN FOOTBALL
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 05, 2010, 01:51:46 PM
big game tomorrow


every game for the rest of the season is a big game
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on March 05, 2010, 02:17:42 PM
Wildebeest is big game
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: morvant on March 05, 2010, 02:49:05 PM
Lol wilderbeast
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 06, 2010, 11:27:41 AM
hhahaha ha ha     haaaaaaaaaaaa

3 points

9 more to go

but jesus we throw away today namely mr nikolas "i chew more gum than fergie" bendtner
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 08, 2010, 06:55:32 PM
so tomorrow is a test of arsenals mettle

porto were gifted two goals in the first leg

but now we have made it even harder because cesc is out

BUT diaby is back so is song we have nasri rosicky eboue all for misfeild

i think a front line of arshavin bentner and wallcot will have porto thinking twice and nervous

also would prefer sol instead of silvestre any day any year any century


come on you gooners!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: onlikecorn on March 09, 2010, 11:33:27 AM
my arsenal have a task in front of them today . . .

i hopin rosicky play from de start cuz i find he has been on good form lately. .. also i think this game depends a lot upon nasri's performance. . . in big games so far this season he has really struggled. . . but he has the ability to control that midfield if he is on the top of his game. . 

and well the biggest problem is upfront. . . but well. . . although bendtnar throw way umpteen chances in that last game. . . he scored in 3 games in a row previously (2 games for arsenal and 1 for denmark). . . and he will be trying to rebound after that performance so i think he play well .. .

walcott real unpredictable. . . if he have a good game then we go be on . . .buh yuh never know when he goin to have a good game. . .

arshavin being there is good also . .  i was wondering if wenger would use him in the fabregas role. .  but i think wenger will go for nasri there. . .

i wish arsenal the best . . and we will see if porto is as fortunate as last time. .

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on March 09, 2010, 02:20:19 PM
Bendtner with a double.

WELL YES
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on March 09, 2010, 03:11:34 PM
nasri run thru the side like maradona, eboue running de field like c ronaldo...goals galore
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: onlikecorn on March 09, 2010, 03:38:29 PM
thanks arsenal for giving me the result. . and making a statement with it too. . . no fabregas. . 5 - 0 . . niceness allround. . .
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: DeSoWa on March 09, 2010, 03:48:03 PM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Big Up!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: FF on March 09, 2010, 04:00:57 PM
Bendtner with a double.

WELL YES


ah fawking hattrick oui!!

well even ah blind squirrel does find nuts every now and again... a broken clock and so on
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: morvant on March 09, 2010, 04:07:44 PM
Hush yuh mouth
Well done gunners
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: palos on March 09, 2010, 04:10:59 PM
As a man text meh and say

Yuh know is your day when Bendtner and Eboue scorin

Wonder goal by Nasri.  If Latas did score dat, peeps woulda be proclaimin he to be de bess in history.

Golaaaazforkanezooooo

Great performance by Arsenal.  Porto get play off de park today even though they looked dangerous for stretches of the game.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Cocorite on March 09, 2010, 04:48:47 PM
Yeah boy like they peaking at the right time. . .Arsenal to win Prem
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 09, 2010, 06:59:59 PM
Yeah boy like they peaking at the right time. . .Arsenal to win Prem

sssssssssh no goat mouth please! :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Cocorite on March 09, 2010, 09:26:45 PM
Yeah boy like they peaking at the right time. . .Arsenal to win Prem

sssssssssh no goat mouth please! :beermug:

Ha ha ha, lol. . .awright ah go jess keep meh fingers crossed
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Big Magician on March 10, 2010, 01:08:21 AM
and stern was a goat in 2005/// so its all de same
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on March 10, 2010, 03:46:50 AM
The race is not for the swiftest but for those who can endure the distance despite the losses to man u and chelsea arsenal right there with them ... still ....they in it to win it!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on March 10, 2010, 03:49:43 AM
Nasri goal  :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uNKGiyM_Vw
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Touches on March 10, 2010, 08:17:26 AM
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/philmcnulty/arsenal_players_blog595.jpg)


Watch yuhself Sagna  :devil: :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on March 10, 2010, 08:52:59 AM
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/philmcnulty/arsenal_players_blog595.jpg)


Watch yuhself Sagna  :devil: :devil:
:rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: palos on March 10, 2010, 10:32:57 AM
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/philmcnulty/arsenal_players_blog595.jpg)


Watch yuhself Sagna  :devil: :devil:

 :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 10, 2010, 02:58:24 PM
all yuh feel he is d only gay footballer past or present? yuh punks
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: DeSoWa on March 10, 2010, 03:33:57 PM
all yuh feel he is d only gay footballer past or present? yuh punks

ah think u living fareen for too long oui just...jus laugh and move on nah  ;D

He musbe listen to Machel song...ah teefin ah lil....

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


Big Up!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 11, 2010, 08:23:08 PM
all yuh feel he is d only gay footballer past or present? yuh punks

ah think u living fareen for too long oui just...jus laugh and move on nah  ;D

He musbe listen to Machel song...ah teefin ah lil....

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


Big Up!

nah i livin here on dis small minded small island
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 12, 2010, 05:39:59 AM
so hull tomorrow

sol might be back
cesc is out and gallas too

and the brit media trying to create or stir up the false bad blood between the two sides
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Jahyouth on March 13, 2010, 01:48:07 PM
That is the kind of game that Arsenal used to lose or draw before.

What a victory!  ;D

To be able to grind out a win even when things don't seem to be going your way is what it is all about.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 13, 2010, 01:55:53 PM
phew! about time!
never stopped going for that winning goal
sorry hull ah know yuh in a relegation fight but we need those points
and the reff n linesman retarded that shouldn't even have been a penalty 'cus the first call should have been offside

up next: west ham at home
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on March 13, 2010, 02:04:45 PM
phew! about time!
never stopped going for that winning goal
sorry hull ah know yuh in a relegation fight but we need those points
and the reff n linesman retarded that shouldn't even have been a penalty 'cus the first call should have been offside

up next: west ham at home

  Make sure and send "Thank you" cards for Boateng and Myhill eh!  :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on March 13, 2010, 02:40:27 PM
a good win today.  this team is really growing up, showing some fight.  for a bunch of 'kids" the away record is not bad at all.  hull is a tough, tough place to win, those guys employ every niggling, nasty tactic they can.   boateng thought he could get away with that nasty challenge. i am glad he got his just reward.  if sagna ever leave mendy will be a decent replacement, i like the man spirit, he real fight the game.

but dang...vennegoor of hesselink name so long it curved around his shirt number  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: morvant on March 14, 2010, 07:06:20 AM
Finally a reason to smile
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 15, 2010, 06:32:39 AM
Finally a reason to smile

ah taking it but better reasons would be chelski n manu dropping some points plz sides looking tired against them
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on March 17, 2010, 08:51:37 PM
Focus this weekend!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 18, 2010, 06:28:13 PM
cesc song n rosicky back for west ham at home
but those hammers could stick us with a draw or worse and they doh effin give up!

batten down the hatches! song n diaby add more mettle

sol rested for another week so should be good to resume his role along verminator!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: doc on March 19, 2010, 05:23:32 AM
Barca is next in CL!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on March 19, 2010, 06:29:03 AM
Barca is next in CL!

allyuh go beat them
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: doc on March 19, 2010, 06:37:40 AM
Barca is next in CL!

allyuh go beat them
But of course, we certainly intend to!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Tallman on March 19, 2010, 07:04:55 AM
Barca is next in CL!

allyuh go beat them
But of course, we certainly intend to!

Roxborough Lakers in de CL?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: doc on March 19, 2010, 07:09:14 AM
Barca is next in CL!

allyuh go beat them
But of course, we certainly intend to!

Roxborough Lakers in de CL?
Yeah.... we play under a different name ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: onlikecorn on March 19, 2010, 09:07:50 AM
ok seriously speakin . . i was real hopin we didnt have to play barca. . . buh wha yuh go do, , , we gonna have to contain . .and well we already see that we are vulnerable on the break and barca are very good on the break . .                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: JDB on March 19, 2010, 09:32:46 AM
Everytime an Arsenal fan tries to defend “pretty football” when Arsenal get a blowout from United and Chelsea yuh does hear that “Barcelona does play pretty football and they does win”

Personally I find that Arsenal and Barcelona brand much different and Barcelona have much more steel, and of course experience than Arsenal. This will definitely be a different proposition for Arsenal than a Chelsea or United.

That being said Barcelona is tough but if teams like Atletico could get at them then Arsenal could spring a surprise. It is unlikely though.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kicker on March 19, 2010, 09:58:13 AM
Everytime an Arsenal fan tries to defend “pretty football” when Arsenal get a blowout from United and Chelsea yuh does hear that “Barcelona does play pretty football and they does win”

Personally I find that Arsenal and Barcelona brand much different and Barcelona have much more steel, and of course experience than Arsenal. This will definitely be a different proposition for Arsenal than a Chelsea or United.

That being said Barcelona is tough but if teams like Atletico could get at them then Arsenal could spring a surprise. It is unlikely though.


Arsenal's football is not as pretty as it used to be years ago.  It's alot more standard and methodical in recent years.  Barcelona's approach play is less predictable than Arsenal's nowadays because Barca has more individual geniuses in its line-up.  Barcelona also works harder defensively in my opinion. 

That said I think Arsenal stands a good chance against Barcelona because of more parity in the area of physicality..an area where they fall short of Chelsea and United. 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: onlikecorn on March 20, 2010, 11:53:10 AM
i watchin west ham vs arsenal right now. . . fabregas sportin a scruff as if he woman leave him. . .hhaha. . but under all seriousness  .. . i want us to win this one. . go back top at least for a little bit. . .then i will support liverpool tomorrow. . ahhah
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on March 20, 2010, 12:52:44 PM
i watchin west ham vs arsenal right now. . . fabregas sportin a scruff as if he woman leave him. . .hhaha. . but under all seriousness  .. . i want us to win this one. . go back top at least for a little bit. . .then i will support liverpool tomorrow. . ahhah

   I find the penalty was a lil suspect even tho it kinda look like vermaelen push the man.......but I hope West Ham could capitalize on the numerical advantage.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: onlikecorn on March 20, 2010, 01:16:16 PM
yeah .. . it was a soft penalty (de vermaelen one) . . but it was a foul i think.. . ..  i find arsenal looked tired today . . especially arshavin . . but he does often look like that . . . diaby and eboue were good this game. . .
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: DeSoWa on March 20, 2010, 01:24:57 PM
TOPSSS!!!!   ;D


Big Up!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: onlikecorn on March 20, 2010, 01:26:47 PM
yes . . tops for now. .. . not a typical arsenal victory  .. which is good news to me cuz before we never used to win the scrappy games. . .but we doin it now. . . come on gunners. . . however. . we definately cant be playin like that against barca.   .
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on March 20, 2010, 02:32:21 PM
yes . . tops for now. .. . not a typical arsenal victory  .. which is good news to me cuz before we never used to win the scrappy games. . .but we doin it now. . . come on gunners. . . however. . we definately cant be playin like that against barca.   .

  Might not have been a typical victory but it was a necessary one and for that, I give your side credit.  When you are a so-called top tier team, (or, in the case of the EPL, one of the "big four") there are certain bottom-feeder teams that you must not allow to come in between you and your title hopes and this year, West Ham is one of those such bottom-feeders.  Your team got the memo.  Evidently, mine didn't.  :frustrated: 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 22, 2010, 09:38:08 PM
vermalen card being appealed
song to deputize if it serves
Birmingham this weekend
cesc is back
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 22, 2010, 09:44:16 PM
Thierry Henry has admitted he is not relishing the Champions League tie against his former team Arsenal.

Thierry Henry still has strong feelings for Arsenal

Henry became a legend in north London after eight trophy-laden years with the Gunners and is set to face them for the first time since leaving for Barca in 2007.

The France striker, 32, concedes the first leg of the last eight tie at the Emirates on March 31 will be particularly difficult.

He told Sky Sports: "I'm not saying I won't try to fight or whatever because that's the way the game is. But I don't want to play against Arsenal.

"It will be weird for me to step on the pitch, even if it's at the Emirates and not Highbury, with another shirt on."

When asked if he would celebrate a goal, he added: "Forget about it. No. I do not want to play against Arsenal, simple as that.

"The bond that I have with the Arsenal fans I will never get anywhere else. Because I don't think I will ever play for another team for that long.

"Eight years - I don't think I will be with another team for eight years. I am getting old now.''
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kicker on March 23, 2010, 08:11:13 AM
Thierry Henry has admitted he is not relishing the Champions League tie against his former team Arsenal.

Thierry Henry still has strong feelings for Arsenal

Henry became a legend in north London after eight trophy-laden years with the Gunners and is set to face them for the first time since leaving for Barca in 2007.

The France striker, 32, concedes the first leg of the last eight tie at the Emirates on March 31 will be particularly difficult.

He told Sky Sports: "I'm not saying I won't try to fight or whatever because that's the way the game is. But I don't want to play against Arsenal.

"It will be weird for me to step on the pitch, even if it's at the Emirates and not Highbury, with another shirt on."

When asked if he would celebrate a goal, he added: "Forget about it. No. I do not want to play against Arsenal, simple as that.

"The bond that I have with the Arsenal fans I will never get anywhere else. Because I don't think I will ever play for another team for that long.

"Eight years - I don't think I will be with another team for eight years. I am getting old now.''

Barca better bench him or they'll be playing with 10. 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: 100% Barataria on March 23, 2010, 08:13:39 AM
Thierry Henry has admitted he is not relishing the Champions League tie against his former team Arsenal.

Thierry Henry still has strong feelings for Arsenal

Henry became a legend in north London after eight trophy-laden years with the Gunners and is set to face them for the first time since leaving for Barca in 2007.

The France striker, 32, concedes the first leg of the last eight tie at the Emirates on March 31 will be particularly difficult.

He told Sky Sports: "I'm not saying I won't try to fight or whatever because that's the way the game is. But I don't want to play against Arsenal.

"It will be weird for me to step on the pitch, even if it's at the Emirates and not Highbury, with another shirt on."

When asked if he would celebrate a goal, he added: "Forget about it. No. I do not want to play against Arsenal, simple as that.

"The bond that I have with the Arsenal fans I will never get anywhere else. Because I don't think I will ever play for another team for that long.

"Eight years - I don't think I will be with another team for eight years. I am getting old now.''

Barca better bench him or they'll be playing with 10. 

This sounding liking a goal.com interview.  I'd be very surprised if those were Henry's exact statements.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on March 23, 2010, 09:24:46 AM
Thierry Henry has admitted he is not relishing the Champions League tie against his former team Arsenal.

Thierry Henry still has strong feelings for Arsenal

Henry became a legend in north London after eight trophy-laden years with the Gunners and is set to face them for the first time since leaving for Barca in 2007.

The France striker, 32, concedes the first leg of the last eight tie at the Emirates on March 31 will be particularly difficult.

He told Sky Sports: "I'm not saying I won't try to fight or whatever because that's the way the game is. But I don't want to play against Arsenal.

"It will be weird for me to step on the pitch, even if it's at the Emirates and not Highbury, with another shirt on."

When asked if he would celebrate a goal, he added: "Forget about it. No. I do not want to play against Arsenal, simple as that.

"The bond that I have with the Arsenal fans I will never get anywhere else. Because I don't think I will ever play for another team for that long.

"Eight years - I don't think I will be with another team for eight years. I am getting old now.''

Barca better bench him or they'll be playing with 10. 

This sounding liking a goal.com interview.  I'd be very surprised if those were Henry's exact statements.

na it was exact words..saw the interview on SkySports.... He going to sell guns
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 23, 2010, 11:19:47 AM
Thierry Henry has admitted he is not relishing the Champions League tie against his former team Arsenal.

Thierry Henry still has strong feelings for Arsenal

Henry became a legend in north London after eight trophy-laden years with the Gunners and is set to face them for the first time since leaving for Barca in 2007.

The France striker, 32, concedes the first leg of the last eight tie at the Emirates on March 31 will be particularly difficult.

He told Sky Sports: "I'm not saying I won't try to fight or whatever because that's the way the game is. But I don't want to play against Arsenal.

"It will be weird for me to step on the pitch, even if it's at the Emirates and not Highbury, with another shirt on."

When asked if he would celebrate a goal, he added: "Forget about it. No. I do not want to play against Arsenal, simple as that.

"The bond that I have with the Arsenal fans I will never get anywhere else. Because I don't think I will ever play for another team for that long.

"Eight years - I don't think I will be with another team for eight years. I am getting old now.''

Barca better bench him or they'll be playing with 10. 

This sounding liking a goal.com interview.  I'd be very surprised if those were Henry's exact statements.

na it was exact words..saw the interview on SkySports.... He going to sell guns
pun intended wazza?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Touches on March 23, 2010, 11:21:11 AM
He must be feeling ahow....because he shoulda score to make it 2-0 in dah CL final.

He only leave arsenal because he chile mudder was acting up.

Yes he win ting with Barca but he had the opportunity to do it with Arsenal.

But start him oui, he mental done mash up....start him and Ibrahimovic.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 30, 2010, 11:35:22 AM
eff birmingham
i only recently got over the annoyance of saturdays game
its all our fault
never really got out of second gear
arshavin scuffing waaaay to many shots for too many games recently

that aside, the tackle on fabregas shitty
the disallowed goal from diaby shameful

those two point to a referee in England who seems to be interpreting the laws the way he sees fit ergo for or against teams/players he likes dislikes

on the other hand i glad wenger tell the english media to f**k themselves, too often they want to make controversy, he's is damn right too, they need to report on what happens on the pitch, report on the terrible refereeing the high tackles and the disgraceful premiership pitches

if the EPL is the cream of the cream then ALL teams in the EPL (barring newly promoted teams) MUST HAVE PITCHES THAT REFLECT such status

for as long as i can remember arsenals pitch has been immaculate, even manu put out a horrible pitch once in a while.

for get about the arsenal gripe about playing on bad surfaces, if the EPL and its teams are to stake a firm grip on being the best league in the world it must do so not by who has the deepest pockets to buy players and lavish them with outrageous salaries, but also back it up with premier type training facilities and that includes playing surfaces

anyway Barca tomorrow, might get to see game as i am up in the rocky mountains for the week





Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on March 30, 2010, 12:30:08 PM
eff birmingham
i only recently got over the annoyance of saturdays game
its all our fault
never really got out of second gear
arshavin scuffing waaaay to many shots for too many games recently

that aside, the tackle on fabregas shitty
the disallowed goal from diaby shameful

those two point to a referee in England who seems to be interpreting the laws the way he sees fit ergo for or against teams/players he likes dislikes

on the other hand i glad wenger tell the english media to f**k themselves, too often they want to make controversy, he's is damn right too, they need to report on what happens on the pitch, report on the terrible refereeing the high tackles and the disgraceful premiership pitches

if the EPL is the cream of the cream then ALL teams in the EPL (barring newly promoted teams) MUST HAVE PITCHES THAT REFLECT such status

for as long as i can remember arsenals pitch has been immaculate, even manu put out a horrible pitch once in a while.

for get about the arsenal gripe about playing on bad surfaces, if the EPL and its teams are to stake a firm grip on being the best league in the world it must do so not by who has the deepest pockets to buy players and lavish them with outrageous salaries, but also back it up with premier type training facilities and that includes playing surfaces

anyway Barca tomorrow, might get to see game as i am up in the rocky mountains for the week







 Yuh leave out Almunia in all yuh talkin' points. Dat was a soft goal to have conceded on his part.....yuh still feel yuh would rather have him in the goalpost as opposed to Petr Cech?  :rotfl:
Fyah bun allyuh!!   :flamethrower:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Coop's on March 31, 2010, 08:32:37 PM
I am surprised nobody found anything to say about the game today,Barca and Arsenal like no one saw it or they did not like the results.

Let me start alyu,Arsenal played a very good game,they made Barca work,simple mistakes let them down but those guys never gave up and came back to equalize which was a good result against the best team in the world.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on March 31, 2010, 08:42:25 PM
I am surprised nobody found anything to say about the game today,Barca and Arsenal like no one saw it or they did not like the results.

Let me start alyu,Arsenal played a very good game,they made Barca work,simple mistakes let them down but those guys never gave up and came back to equalize which was a good result against the best team in the world.

   Arsenal playing good may have had something to do with Barcelona taking their foot off the gas after going 2-up.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 02, 2010, 08:53:59 PM
eff birmingham
i only recently got over the annoyance of saturdays game
its all our fault
never really got out of second gear
arshavin scuffing waaaay to many shots for too many games recently

that aside, the tackle on fabregas shitty
the disallowed goal from diaby shameful

those two point to a referee in England who seems to be interpreting the laws the way he sees fit ergo for or against teams/players he likes dislikes

on the other hand i glad wenger tell the english media to f**k themselves, too often they want to make controversy, he's is damn right too, they need to report on what happens on the pitch, report on the terrible refereeing the high tackles and the disgraceful premiership pitches

if the EPL is the cream of the cream then ALL teams in the EPL (barring newly promoted teams) MUST HAVE PITCHES THAT REFLECT such status

for as long as i can remember arsenals pitch has been immaculate, even manu put out a horrible pitch once in a while.

for get about the arsenal gripe about playing on bad surfaces, if the EPL and its teams are to stake a firm grip on being the best league in the world it must do so not by who has the deepest pockets to buy players and lavish them with outrageous salaries, but also back it up with premier type training facilities and that includes playing surfaces

anyway Barca tomorrow, might get to see game as i am up in the rocky mountains for the week







 Yuh leave out Almunia in all yuh talkin' points. Dat was a soft goal to have conceded on his part.....yuh still feel yuh would rather have him in the goalpost as opposed to Petr Cech?  :rotfl:
Fyah bun allyuh!!   :flamethrower:
watched it over n over, dude was clearly yards offside, but poor officiating doesn't excuse poor goal

and the draw tomorrow will ensure that hiccup by arsenal is negated
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 02, 2010, 08:58:42 PM
I am surprised nobody found anything to say about the game today,Barca and Arsenal like no one saw it or they did not like the results.

Let me start alyu,Arsenal played a very good game,they made Barca work,simple mistakes let them down but those guys never gave up and came back to equalize which was a good result against the best team in the world.

   Arsenal playing good may have had something to do with Barcelona taking their foot off the gas after going 2-up.
cannot comment on the game as i am in the rocky mountains and not a bar up here has soccer, have to wait till i get back and watch the dvr
from all accounts it was one way traffic first half and superb goal keeping and defending kept it tied
then a goal keeping and defensive mistake led to zlatan scoring
but theo and captain fantastic found a result for arsenal
and by all accounts arsenal got over the starstruck first half and got back into the game and started seeing more of the ball
plus blame barca for taking the foot off and applaud arsenal for pressing on
cant wait for next tuesday
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kicker on April 02, 2010, 09:21:54 PM
I am surprised nobody found anything to say about the game today,Barca and Arsenal like no one saw it or they did not like the results.

Let me start alyu,Arsenal played a very good game,they made Barca work,simple mistakes let them down but those guys never gave up and came back to equalize which was a good result against the best team in the world.

   Arsenal playing good may have had something to do with Barcelona taking their foot off the gas after going 2-up.
cannot comment on the game as i am in the rocky mountains and not a bar up here has soccer, have to wait till i get back and watch the dvr
from all accounts it was one way traffic first half and superb goal keeping and defending kept it tied
then a goal keeping and defensive mistake led to zlatan scoring
but theo and captain fantastic found a result for arsenal
and by all accounts arsenal got over the starstruck first half and got back into the game and started seeing more of the ball
plus blame barca for taking the foot off and applaud arsenal for pressing on
cant wait for next tuesday

Wasn't just the 1st half... Arsenal struggled for about 70% of the game- all in all outclassed... They did extremely well to get a result out of that game...lived to fight another day.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 02, 2010, 09:52:25 PM
I am surprised nobody found anything to say about the game today,Barca and Arsenal like no one saw it or they did not like the results.

Let me start alyu,Arsenal played a very good game,they made Barca work,simple mistakes let them down but those guys never gave up and came back to equalize which was a good result against the best team in the world.

   Arsenal playing good may have had something to do with Barcelona taking their foot off the gas after going 2-up.
cannot comment on the game as i am in the rocky mountains and not a bar up here has soccer, have to wait till i get back and watch the dvr
from all accounts it was one way traffic first half and superb goal keeping and defending kept it tied
then a goal keeping and defensive mistake led to zlatan scoring
but theo and captain fantastic found a result for arsenal
and by all accounts arsenal got over the starstruck first half and got back into the game and started seeing more of the ball
plus blame barca for taking the foot off and applaud arsenal for pressing on
cant wait for next tuesday

Wasn't just the 1st half... Arsenal struggled for about 70% of the game- all in all outclassed... They did extremely well to get a result out of that game...lived to fight another day.
just watched highlights
barca wow, but arsenal were naive in defending the two goals they gave away
and yes 70-75% of the game was all barca, but just like arsenal they failed to kill off teams they should
its half time
no cesc no arshavin no gallas
BUT
i think the team has had a hard does of reality and will be all business come tuesday
but first lets deal with wolves tomorrow
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 05, 2010, 07:53:15 PM
so we snatch 3 points on saturday

but at what cost?

added to rvp ramsey cesc gallas we now have song and rosicky added to the injury list

lord help the arsenal tomorrow
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kicker on April 05, 2010, 08:27:28 PM
Doh study it GunnerStunner...

Barca is missing their two starting central defenders (Puyol & Pique), in addition to Iniesta, Ibrahimovic while struggling with the on and off fitness of Yaya, Abidal, R. Marquez...

sounds like a battle of the benches...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Spursy on April 05, 2010, 08:32:55 PM
I feel for Arsenal, they gonna get real beat up in Spain fyah bun!!!
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Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: xixgon on April 05, 2010, 10:18:31 PM
Doh study it GunnerStunner...

Barca is missing their two starting central defenders (Puyol & Pique), in addition to Iniesta, Ibrahimovic while struggling with the on and off fitness of Yaya, Abidal, R. Marquez...

sounds like a battle of the benches...


All dey need is Messi yes, fuss dey at home.

Arsenal hadn't exactly been prolific even with Cesc and Arshavin fit anyway so - Barca's defense in theory shouldn't be overly bothered.

I assume this is what Barca spent 25 mil euros on Chygrinsky for as well (for cover and to take over from Puyol) - though he rarely plays. It will between him, Marquez and Abidal depending on fitness to partner Milito I'd think.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 06, 2010, 05:04:39 PM
eff it

understrength Arsenal vs worlds best player, respect to Messi

and f**k off to all Argentina fans and Arsenal haters

congrats to barca, hope they go on and win the champs league again just to rub it in the real madrid fans face
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: xixgon on April 06, 2010, 08:54:21 PM
eff it

understrength Arsenal vs worlds best player, respect to Messi

and f**k off to all Argentina fans and Arsenal haters

congrats to barca, hope they go on and win the champs league again just to rub it in the real madrid fans face


Haha make da Barca fans. Argentina fans haven't had much to cheer about wit Messi na.

Man is the best attacking (and most natural) player of this generation though - I think that much is clear.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Spursy on April 06, 2010, 09:49:50 PM
eff it

understrength Arsenal vs worlds best player, respect to Messi

and f**k off to all Argentina fans and Arsenal haters

congrats to barca, hope they go on and win the champs league again just to rub it in the real madrid fans face
oh dont be so bitter, lets see if barca can do that against inter, lucio gonna rape messi
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: morvant on April 07, 2010, 04:43:44 AM
Still love meh gunners but messi is an advantageous prick
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: onlikecorn on April 07, 2010, 04:56:33 AM
well. .. messi is just on a different level on his own yes. . . . you cant mark a man that could teleport. . .my gunners will have to try again next year . .still a slim hope at the title. . that is if the boys could rebound from the defeat to beat tottenham. . . .but i wouldnt think it was too demoralizing .. . . it dont rreally have a defence that could cope well with barcelona . . .let alone messi. . . say what . . interesting for the semi finals . . . the battle of the special ones. . . mourinho vs messi. . ahhaha
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on April 07, 2010, 04:13:12 PM
Feeling it for them boys  but I feel inter will make a better challenge of it ... their defense is simply better and to deal with that little midget you need a top class defense.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on April 07, 2010, 05:15:48 PM
Feeling it for them boys  but I feel inter will make a better challenge of it ... their defense is simply better and to deal with that little midget you need a top class defense.

In the group stages Inter lost 2-0 to Barca who were without Messi. Maybe the learned something  :angel:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 07, 2010, 11:34:48 PM
righty-o

spurs next wednesday
but spurs also have a fa cup game this weekend

so hoping we can get rested re group and get the 3 points at white heart lane and keep on marching on
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on April 09, 2010, 03:23:10 PM
Feeling it for them boys  but I feel inter will make a better challenge of it ... their defense is simply better and to deal with that little midget you need a top class defense.

In the group stages Inter lost 2-0 to Barca who were without Messi. Maybe the learned something  :angel:

And the hits keep coming lol
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 12, 2010, 08:06:28 AM
damn

heavy game on wednesday

the 3 points up for grabs means so much to each team for different reasons

arsenal needs the 3 to stay in the hunt for silverware to adorn the emirates

spurs need it to maintain a chance at champs league next season

the odds look in arsenals favor with spurs back to back defeats the last being after 120min on a sloppy Wembley pitch

arsenal however heavy the defeat to barca was we had 8 days to rest n recover and refocus on the epl now

but spurs at white heart lane is never and easy job

and we have to be as defensively tight as clinical in our attacks

GOONER FOR LIFE
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Jefferz on April 14, 2010, 01:20:16 PM
cyah lie, we rel need this one today.

ah get up at 4 in de morn here in Osaka just to listen to dis ting on bbc, Arsenal best pull out all the stops with a convincing win here.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on April 14, 2010, 02:03:03 PM
cyah lie, we rel need this one today.

ah get up at 4 in de morn here in Osaka just to listen to dis ting on bbc, Arsenal best pull out all the stops with a convincing win here.

Listening to this game eh go let you see the flikin goal that score.  If you give that man 1000 tries at the same shot, he might come close in 10
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on April 14, 2010, 02:04:03 PM
cyah lie, we rel need this one today.

ah get up at 4 in de morn here in Osaka just to listen to dis ting on bbc, Arsenal best pull out all the stops with a convincing win here.

Listening to this game eh go let you see the flikin goal that score.  If you give that man 1000 tries at the same shot, he might come close in 10

who score?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: D.H.W on April 14, 2010, 02:08:31 PM
2 nil now
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on April 14, 2010, 02:09:37 PM
cyah lie, we rel need this one today.

ah get up at 4 in de morn here in Osaka just to listen to dis ting on bbc, Arsenal best pull out all the stops with a convincing win here.

Listening to this game eh go let you see the flikin goal that score.  If you give that man 1000 tries at the same shot, he might come close in 10

who score?

A Fella name Danny Rose, in his First Prem start.
Gareth Bale just make it 2-0 Chelsea puts the champagne on ice...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on April 14, 2010, 02:10:51 PM
 :o  goal boy!!

jefferz, why yuh eh just watch de game at www.atdhe.net

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on April 14, 2010, 02:11:27 PM
cyah lie, we rel need this one today.

ah get up at 4 in de morn here in Osaka just to listen to dis ting on bbc, Arsenal best pull out all the stops with a convincing win here.

Listening to this game eh go let you see the flikin goal that score.  If you give that man 1000 tries at the same shot, he might come close in 10

who score?

A Fella name Danny Rose, in his First Prem start.
Gareth Bale just make it 2-0 Chelsea puts the champagne on ice...

Thanks-EPL need a winter break.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on April 14, 2010, 02:29:40 PM
cyah lie, we rel need this one today.

ah get up at 4 in de morn here in Osaka just to listen to dis ting on bbc, Arsenal best pull out all the stops with a convincing win here.

Listening to this game eh go let you see the flikin goal that score.  If you give that man 1000 tries at the same shot, he might come close in 10

who score?

A Fella name Danny Rose, in his First Prem start.
Gareth Bale just make it 2-0 Chelsea puts the champagne on ice...

Thanks-EPL need a winter break.

Arsenal defense take a winter break for that 2nd goal.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on April 14, 2010, 02:46:52 PM
Van Persie is a dan.
Gomes earn he money in the last 10 minutes.

Squeeze bamsee time for Hotspurs now.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on April 14, 2010, 02:49:35 PM
Crouch on to pull Sol Campbell hair...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: elan on April 14, 2010, 02:58:23 PM
Adios Mios.  :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: big dawg on April 14, 2010, 03:02:50 PM
tuff loss for de gunners.....

Makes u wonder, had Van Persie been fit all season how they season woulda end up...

yet another season for zero silverware..
hard luck..better luck next time.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on April 14, 2010, 03:07:49 PM
Well deserved by Spurs...Arsenal were very threatening in the end but that was down to the brilliance of RVP and If Gomes was not in goal maybe they would have snatched it

but Spurs due a win


Same thing on Saturday Tottenham..Same thing  :beermug:

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: DeSoWa on April 14, 2010, 03:16:30 PM
Well deserved by Spurs...Arsenal were very threatening in the end but that was down to the brilliance of RVP and If Gomes was not in goal maybe they would have snatched it

but Spurs due a win


Same thing on Saturday Tottenham..Same thing  :beermug:



Yeah, just how City is due a win this weekend  :devil:

Big Up!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: SOBRIQUET on April 14, 2010, 03:42:02 PM
For months, she let you take her on dates, accepted your fresh flowers, even allowed you a make-out session in the back seat of the car under the crisp Emirate sky.... when twas time to give you the trophy, yuh get slap in your face, "MAYBE next year, i'm still too young man!." By the time she's ready to give you the sweetness, your johnny will be weak; and your sons might have to slaughter the lamb.... Different year.... Same Arsenal... See yuh next year Gunnerstunner!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Jefferz on April 14, 2010, 04:00:12 PM
sigh, so much for the title hopes.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on April 14, 2010, 04:54:56 PM
all the haters come out to gloat but is all good, the squad just not good enough.   is ok though i not really disappointed b/c i knew better than to get my hopes too high.   on to the summer, hopefully the squad gets strengthened in key areas and certain players get shown the door (silvestre should be thrown out the door).
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Peong on April 14, 2010, 06:07:00 PM
Plus Vermaelen get injured.  This side real blight with injuries.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: onlikecorn on April 14, 2010, 07:20:29 PM
all the haters come out to gloat but is all good, the squad just not good enough.   is ok though i not really disappointed b/c i knew better than to get my hopes too high.   on to the summer, hopefully the squad gets strengthened in key areas and certain players get shown the door (silvestre should be thrown out the door).

Yeah . . i am not that disappointed except for the fact that it was spurs we loss against . . . is arsenal own fault for not winning that game. . . and even though we did not win silverware this season. . i think that the overall season was a success because arsenal show remarkable improvements from last year . . . where we were strugglin to hang on to fourth. . this time we were potential title winners with a realistic chance. . and although they still show their immaturity some times .. . they show good spirit this season and good fight. . and for this team to be so close to the top even though we were injury plagued this season. . showed that this team have good talent and good spirit. . . wenger will definately buy this summer . .with chamakh tentatively confirmed already i see he lookin for strike options (as well as balotelli) . . there is talk he want to sign caceres from barca. . so he lookin at defenders  too .. and i read a while back that he was interested in hazard which i thought he would be as he is a young talent. . .but i think he should get a really good holding midfielder along with the strikers and defenders. . just get more depth in those areas . . . i am not disaapointed from this seasons results. . but having said that ... . . i am expecting big big things next season . .
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: E-man on April 15, 2010, 02:08:01 PM
That is a hell of a debut goal  :o :applause:


http://www.youtube.com/v/0BIhkIyZtCo

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: College on April 15, 2010, 02:35:23 PM
Tough luck dey Gunners!! ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on April 16, 2010, 04:53:06 PM
all the haters come out to gloat but is all good, the squad just not good enough.   is ok though i not really disappointed b/c i knew better than to get my hopes too high.   on to the summer, hopefully the squad gets strengthened in key areas and certain players get shown the door (silvestre should be thrown out the door).

Yeah . . i am not that disappointed except for the fact that it was spurs we loss against . . . is arsenal own fault for not winning that game. . . and even though we did not win silverware this season. . i think that the overall season was a success because arsenal show remarkable improvements from last year . . . where we were strugglin to hang on to fourth. . this time we were potential title winners with a realistic chance. . and although they still show their immaturity some times .. . they show good spirit this season and good fight. . and for this team to be so close to the top even though we were injury plagued this season. . showed that this team have good talent and good spirit. . . wenger will definately buy this summer . .with chamakh tentatively confirmed already i see he lookin for strike options (as well as balotelli) . . there is talk he want to sign caceres from barca. . so he lookin at defenders  too .. and i read a while back that he was interested in hazard which i thought he would be as he is a young talent. . .but i think he should get a really good holding midfielder along with the strikers and defenders. . just get more depth in those areas . . . i am not disaapointed from this seasons results. . but having said that ... . . i am expecting big big things next season . .
Good Post Bredda!!! :beermug: :beermug: :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 17, 2010, 10:24:26 AM
all the haters come out to gloat but is all good, the squad just not good enough.   is ok though i not really disappointed b/c i knew better than to get my hopes too high.   on to the summer, hopefully the squad gets strengthened in key areas and certain players get shown the door (silvestre should be thrown out the door).

Yeah . . i am not that disappointed except for the fact that it was spurs we loss against . . . is arsenal own fault for not winning that game. . . and even though we did not win silverware this season. . i think that the overall season was a success because arsenal show remarkable improvements from last year . . . where we were strugglin to hang on to fourth. . this time we were potential title winners with a realistic chance. . and although they still show their immaturity some times .. . they show good spirit this season and good fight. . and for this team to be so close to the top even though we were injury plagued this season. . showed that this team have good talent and good spirit. . . wenger will definately buy this summer . .with chamakh tentatively confirmed already i see he lookin for strike options (as well as balotelli) . . there is talk he want to sign caceres from barca. . so he lookin at defenders  too .. and i read a while back that he was interested in hazard which i thought he would be as he is a young talent. . .but i think he should get a really good holding midfielder along with the strikers and defenders. . just get more depth in those areas . . . i am not disaapointed from this seasons results. . but having said that ... . . i am expecting big big things next season . .
Good Post Bredda!!! :beermug: :beermug: :beermug:
agreed, but in retrospec
we really failed to show up to the big games, we loose to manu n chelski n barca and then the biggest game to keep momentum going minus all the important parts of the team) to bend over to a luke warm spurs that get a boosting stun of a goal that you could blame almunia for a) failing to catch the ball b) failing to react to the strike or chalk it up as a lucky strike
but almunia not to blame for second
and almunia not to blame for the side failing to have a fricking game plan for sides that camp on thier 18yard line and stiffle our attack
and why wenger waited til only 20min to go to bring on van persie when everyone up front cept maybe bendtner was shitting dong dey legs
vermaelen coming off had nothing to do with the second goal
then why did arsenal wait to increase the pressure only when rvp came on???
apart from some spider monkey on crack saves by gomes arsenal could snatched it away from spurs
even a draw woulda saved face
after 90min the difference in that game
gomes simple as that because after those two gifts of goals (one from the football gods the other from sagna playing bale onside spurs had nothing to offer
we failed to kill sides over n over
we know our defense n keeper shakey
well?? score 5 goals and concede 2 is still ah frickin win


up next? man city who will be chomping to give us more of the same that they spurs manu n chelski dished out because we fold when it matters

and just once i want the first team the full first team to go through 3/4 of a season un injured

and wenger saying we have a full squad but when you get so many injuries you cant rotate is a stuck record but a true one

well wenger, buy some muscle instead of just technical because duh! yuh in england the land of hard tackle
i dont condone it but when you go to battle you go prepared

ah well next year unless by a miracle spurs beat chelski and manu slip up again and chelski too and our rag tag tired injured squad win the last four games then we can look back and go phew what a big bit of luck

ok rambling now

who knows what summer brings after the world cup
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on April 18, 2010, 08:23:12 AM
Arsenal season in a nutshell.
Thrown away games and wasted chances.

gone from 2-0 up and cruising to losing 3-2 in 10 minutes.

Sell Fabianski now...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Daft Trini on April 18, 2010, 08:26:58 AM
you all should have won this game.... to many lapses in judgement....!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: big dawg on April 18, 2010, 08:30:28 AM
Arsenal season in a nutshell.
Thrown away games and wasted chances.

gone from 2-0 up and cruising to losing 3-2 in 10 minutes.

Sell Fabianski now...

wow.. about the 78' minute I left and gone to do my sunday market..thinking this game is a wrap... boom. Wigan comeback an rock 3 just so in 10 mins....just goes to show,  man this is the EPL, anything can happen yes....Wigan might just escape relegation with this one.. and well another trophyless season for a very talented gunners..

hard luck...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on April 18, 2010, 08:31:26 AM
I think Arsenal just lack maturity; hopefully in another 5 years it will be there. Gunner fans be patient 5 more years........
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on April 18, 2010, 08:32:32 AM
Alumina and Fabianski secure major sponsorship deal with "Golden Ray Butter"  :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on April 18, 2010, 09:18:56 AM
steups, no real challenge to the top two. Allyuh and liverpool want we league to look like SPL.  >:(

Last week i was hoping if we dont win, allyuh coulda upset chelsea for the title.......so much for that idea....
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on April 18, 2010, 10:59:07 AM
from the report seems like young fabianski made a blunder for wigan's first...surprise surprise...(arsenal have keystone cops keepers)...i leave home half time with the score 1-0 and arsenal cruising cause wigan is a shyt side...but dem fellas have fight tho, sometimes i wish arsenal had just a little bit more of that.    injuries, injuries injuries...arsene must sign some decent cover cause nex year will be hell for injuries it being the yr after the WC.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on April 18, 2010, 11:08:56 AM
from the report seems like young fabianski made a blunder for wigan's first...surprise surprise...(arsenal have keystone cops keepers)...i leave home half time with the score 1-0 and arsenal cruising cause wigan is a shyt side...but dem fellas have fight tho, sometimes i wish arsenal had just a little bit more of that.    injuries, injuries injuries...arsene must sign some decent cover cause nex year will be hell for injuries it being the yr after the WC.

thats not fair to say they don't have enough fight.. this arsenal team has shown more fight than any arsenal team for a few years which is encouraging for them.. but the injuries not helping that side at all..

its time for them to get rid of fabianski... Sorry, i have little sympathy for a professional getting paid that much money to be a nervous wreck every time he get a chance.. Apparently he is a practice champion because from all reports he is an excellent keeper, but everytime he gets a start is a circus performance.. He couldve done much better on that first goal and well as for the second that was just a joke..

As a player, when yuh keeper do yuh dat in the 80-something minute it eh have no fightback in that.

if wenger know what good for the side he will buss de bank and buy akinfeev.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on April 18, 2010, 12:52:41 PM
I think Arsenal just lack maturity; hopefully in another 5 years it will be there. Gunner fans be patient 5 more years........

   ;D that was not nice!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on April 18, 2010, 01:30:58 PM
Arsenal is my team but any championship  team has to have a top notch defense and realistically based on what I see Vermalen and Sagna are decent Clichy has been below par Gallas is past it Sol isnt bad but he is also past it and the goalkeepers are absolute crap ........ you're not gonna win a championship with a poor goalie in the epl ... never happen..... Arsene have to overhaul the defense and he knows it!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on April 18, 2010, 01:46:14 PM
I think Arsenal just lack maturity; hopefully in another 5 years it will be there. Gunner fans be patient 5 more years........

   ;D that was not nice!

Truth be told none of the so call big 4 deserve to win the EPL based on their lack of consistency. They have all been shite. It would have been good if a Spurs or Everton was good enough to come in first this season.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: D.H.W on April 18, 2010, 01:53:33 PM
like alyuh gun powder done lol?  :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on April 18, 2010, 01:57:25 PM
from the report seems like young fabianski made a blunder for wigan's first...surprise surprise...(arsenal have keystone cops keepers)...i leave home half time with the score 1-0 and arsenal cruising cause wigan is a shyt side...but dem fellas have fight tho, sometimes i wish arsenal had just a little bit more of that.    injuries, injuries injuries...arsene must sign some decent cover cause nex year will be hell for injuries it being the yr after the WC.

thats not fair to say they don't have enough fight.. this arsenal team has shown more fight than any arsenal team for a few years which is encouraging for them.. but the injuries not helping that side at all..

its time for them to get rid of fabianski... Sorry, i have little sympathy for a professional getting paid that much money to be a nervous wreck every time he get a chance.. Apparently he is a practice champion because from all reports he is an excellent keeper, but everytime he gets a start is a circus performance.. He couldve done much better on that first goal and well as for the second that was just a joke..

As a player, when yuh keeper do yuh dat in the 80-something minute it eh have no fightback in that.

if wenger know what good for the side he will buss de bank and buy akinfeev.

shhh ..United buying him..dont alert any other clubs before we bid

On a real..he reallll good...Whoever get him gonna be lucky...Thankfully VDS is a boss but he also very old so maybe Fergie should move for him now but I feel Fergie will buy Lloris from Lyon after VDS done

Also Arsenal are heavily linked with Joe Hart today...that would be a great signing as well.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on April 18, 2010, 02:37:55 PM
I think Arsenal just lack maturity; hopefully in another 5 years it will be there. Gunner fans be patient 5 more years........

   ;D that was not nice!

Truth be told none of the so call big 4 deserve to win the EPL based on their lack of consistency. They have all been shite. It would have been good if a Spurs or Everton was good enough to come in first this season.

  I was talkin' 'bout how you callin' dem out fuh lacking "maturity" and the connection to arsene9 always calling them a "young" side..........in the past. 

This year, they shoulda was supposed to be more "mature" by now  ;D 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on April 18, 2010, 02:38:03 PM
Well if I didn't know before, this just confirms dat Arsenal is ah sh!t side.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on April 18, 2010, 02:53:13 PM
I think Arsenal just lack maturity; hopefully in another 5 years it will be there. Gunner fans be patient 5 more years........

   ;D that was not nice!

Truth be told none of the so call big 4 deserve to win the EPL based on their lack of consistency. They have all been shite. It would have been good if a Spurs or Everton was good enough to come in first this season.

  I was talkin' 'bout how you callin' dem out fuh lacking "maturity" and the connection to arsene9 always calling them a "young" side..........in the past. 

This year, they shoulda was supposed to be more "mature" by now  ;D 

the real question is how much longer are the fans gonna keep tolerating Wenger?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: triniairman on April 18, 2010, 03:18:46 PM
I think Arsenal just lack maturity; hopefully in another 5 years it will be there. Gunner fans be patient 5 more years........

   ;D that was not nice!

Truth be told none of the so call big 4 deserve to win the EPL based on their lack of consistency. They have all been shite. It would have been good if a Spurs or Everton was good enough to come in first this season.

  I was talkin' 'bout how you callin' dem out fuh lacking "maturity" and the connection to arsene9 always calling them a "young" side..........in the past. 

This year, they shoulda was supposed to be more "mature" by now  ;D 

the real question is how much longer are the fans gonna keep tolerating Wenger?
They will tolerate him as long as he's there, I honestly tink if they had their full squad through out the season, they would of been hard to beat. Madrid is rumoured to be his next destination.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on April 18, 2010, 03:22:35 PM
I think Arsenal just lack maturity; hopefully in another 5 years it will be there. Gunner fans be patient 5 more years........

   ;D that was not nice!

Truth be told none of the so call big 4 deserve to win the EPL based on their lack of consistency. They have all been shite. It would have been good if a Spurs or Everton was good enough to come in first this season.

  I was talkin' 'bout how you callin' dem out fuh lacking "maturity" and the connection to arsene9 always calling them a "young" side..........in the past. 

This year, they shoulda was supposed to be more "mature" by now  ;D 


I know-just tryin to be nice. :devil: :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on April 18, 2010, 03:30:21 PM
I think Arsenal just lack maturity; hopefully in another 5 years it will be there. Gunner fans be patient 5 more years........

   ;D that was not nice!

Truth be told none of the so call big 4 deserve to win the EPL based on their lack of consistency. They have all been shite. It would have been good if a Spurs or Everton was good enough to come in first this season.

  I was talkin' 'bout how you callin' dem out fuh lacking "maturity" and the connection to arsene9 always calling them a "young" side..........in the past. 

This year, they shoulda was supposed to be more "mature" by now  ;D 


Maybe dey over ripe and Arsene9 need tuh take dem out of the brown paper bag cause men only  breakin down.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on April 18, 2010, 05:21:11 PM
I think Arsenal just lack maturity; hopefully in another 5 years it will be there. Gunner fans be patient 5 more years........

   ;D that was not nice!

Truth be told none of the so call big 4 deserve to win the EPL based on their lack of consistency. They have all been shite. It would have been good if a Spurs or Everton was good enough to come in first this season.

  I was talkin' 'bout how you callin' dem out fuh lacking "maturity" and the connection to arsene9 always calling them a "young" side..........in the past. 

This year, they shoulda was supposed to be more "mature" by now  ;D 


Maybe dey over force ripe and Arsene9 need tuh take dem out of the brown paper bag cause men only  breakin down.

  Fix it fuh yuh!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on April 18, 2010, 07:37:24 PM
I think Arsenal just lack maturity; hopefully in another 5 years it will be there. Gunner fans be patient 5 more years........

   ;D that was not nice!

Truth be told none of the so call big 4 deserve to win the EPL based on their lack of consistency. They have all been shite. It would have been good if a Spurs or Everton was good enough to come in first this season.

  I was talkin' 'bout how you callin' dem out fuh lacking "maturity" and the connection to arsene9 always calling them a "young" side..........in the past. 

This year, they shoulda was supposed to be more "mature" by now  ;D 

the real question is how much longer are the fans gonna keep tolerating Wenger?
They will tolerate him as long as he's there, I honestly tink if they had their full squad through out the season, they would of been hard to beat. Madrid is rumoured to be his next destination.

that would be an interesting dev. However, how would his philosophies of scrooge shape up against the big spending president of madrid?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: redtrinigirl on April 18, 2010, 08:38:33 PM
Arsene Wenger needs to sell Almunia and Fabianski now! Look nah man, buss de bank and buy ah boss keeper and two damn good defenders. Oh gosh man! It matters not if yuh have firepower to burn and ah boss engine room, but yuh defense not good enough. Come on Wenger man!  >:(
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: onlikecorn on April 19, 2010, 08:02:52 AM
oh my. .  .. by far that was the hardest loss of the season to take. . . .one thing to concede 3 against manchester and chelsea etc. . .but another to concede 3 in 11 mins against wigan. . . .and the last 11 mins to make matters worst. . . . they thought it was nap time or something .. .anyway . . like i said in my previous post. . i am not all dissapointed in the season . . and wenger i think got enough evidence that he needs to buy .. . he says he has 30 - 40 million to spend . . .and with whatever he makes from sales of such people like eduardo . . . then he more than have enough to get good players. . . . i heard that he was rumoured to be making a bid for joe hart . . who i think is a very good keeper and he is still young. . give the gunners years of service there. . . i hope he get another striker too . . .cuz bendtner does show glimpses of goodness . . but he have plenty to learn still . . . however ..  i sayin this now. . .wenger will buy .. and barring we lose fabregas to barcalona and dont get a stellar replacement. . i am expecting big things from arsenal next season . . . wengers last year on his contract and if he is not going to renew . .then he would want to go out with a bang. . .
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Peong on April 19, 2010, 08:47:59 AM
Joe Hart not gonna help allyuh.  Yuh need old keepers to win anyting.
Except for Petr Cech, keepers are at their best in their old age, over 30.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: xixgon on April 19, 2010, 04:30:16 PM
Joe Hart not gonna help allyuh.  Yuh need old keepers to win anyting.
Except for Petr Cech, keepers are at their best in their old age, over 30.


Eh hadda be old to be good enough for Arsenal.

Most of the best keepers in the world right now are under 30 anyways.

Sure Wenger would drive personally to the continent to pick up Lloris or Neuer if he could.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 21, 2010, 07:01:12 PM
exclusive!

arsenal summer sale

senderos
silvestre
denilson
fabianski
eduardo
rosicky


almunia will be number 2 again once we buy  a frickin real keeper not an impostor who saves a few penalties but cant hold on to a ball, preferably someone proven

sol to stay, and another center back in to support vermaelen hopefully cahill of bolton and if gallas goes for free then another to fill that spot

chamakh on the way in, bendtner on the way up, rvp back to health but will see what the world cup does to him, so no room for eduardo would love to keep him but he's not delivering, time to buy another striker so we always have 4 healthy strikers, however chamakh hasn't scored the necessary 20+ goals a season that an epl winning team needs so hopefully the other strikers and mid feilders can bolster the goals needed to win

now for midfield, cesc stays, arshavin, nasri, walcott, diaby, song all must stay, ramsey wont be back till after christmas, so we need jack wilshire back and another defensive midfielder to cover for song. denilson had a good season last year, but this season teams figured us out, park on the 18yrd line and stifle our game and counter, denilson has shown costless times failure to track and break down these plays maybe N'Zogbia??

on a side point arsenal needs to defend from the front especially when playing a 433

arsenal cannot afford to buy prospective talent this summer
simple as that they must puy proven tallent to fill the gaps exposed



Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 21, 2010, 07:02:52 PM
lastly
off all the games where arsenal failed to step up and take the advantage laid infront of us we fail to grab it
the manu the chelski the barca the spurs and finally the wigan

yes we had injuries but after 5yrs of failure you think they would learn to see it coming and stop it

anyway i expect another cut arse from man city on saturday
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on April 21, 2010, 07:18:49 PM
exclusive!

arsenal summer sale

senderos
silvestre
denilson
fabianski
eduardo
rosicky


almunia will be number 2 again once we buy  a frickin real keeper not an impostor who saves a few penalties but cant hold on to a ball, preferably someone proven

sol to stay, and another center back in to support vermaelen hopefully cahill of bolton and if gallas goes for free then another to fill that spot

chamakh on the way in, bendtner on the way up, rvp back to health but will see what the world cup does to him, so no room for eduardo would love to keep him but he's not delivering, time to buy another striker so we always have 4 healthy strikers, however chamakh hasn't scored the necessary 20+ goals a season that an epl winning team needs so hopefully the other strikers and mid feilders can bolster the goals needed to win

now for midfield, cesc stays, arshavin, nasri, walcott, diaby, song all must stay, ramsey wont be back till after christmas, so we need jack wilshire back and another defensive midfielder to cover for song. denilson had a good season last year, but this season teams figured us out, park on the 18yrd line and stifle our game and counter, denilson has shown costless times failure to track and break down these plays maybe N'Zogbia??

on a side point arsenal needs to defend from the front especially when playing a 433

arsenal cannot afford to buy prospective talent this summer
simple as that they must puy proven tallent to fill the gaps exposed





  almunia is already number 2.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 24, 2010, 09:58:16 AM
i know realise is 3 teams with trinis in them that beat arsenal

manu with yorke - scored a hatrick
sunderland with jones - jones scored but i think that game was tied
and now wigan with scotland - but not sure if he was in the squad that day or played any part

my question when Arsenal getting the best of trini tallent  :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: elan on April 24, 2010, 10:58:41 AM
*yawn*   :sleepy: :sleepy: :sleepy:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on April 24, 2010, 12:32:18 PM
a point was fair to both teams...what a snore fest...questions have to be asked about walcott's continuing mediocrity as well as nasri...credit to city though they were a well-oiled defensive unit (never thought i would say that to any team with toure in the back 4).   bring on the end of the season
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 26, 2010, 11:49:21 AM
boring boring boring

high points, walcot tracking back, but he and sagna seem to get their wires crossed

rosicky boring

diaby battled viera but that's all he did

viera lucky not to get carded for his lash out at song

song was ok considering he just got back from injury

speaking of injury, arsenal at half strength and man city game plan was to get a point?
wenger ah fed up! change yuh tactics and buy some players!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on April 26, 2010, 11:53:44 AM
boring boring boring

high points, walcot tracking back, but he and sagna seem to get their wires crossed

rosicky boring

diaby battled viera but that's all he did

viera lucky not to get carded for his lash out at song

song was ok considering he just got back from injury

speaking of injury, arsenal at half strength and man city game plan was to get a point?
wenger ah fed up! change yuh tactics and buy some players!

  ....then maybe you can direct more, if not all of your criticism to mancini and not arsene9 this time.  I must say, as far as injuries are concerned, this season allyuh had it RUFF! (but I eh sorry fuh allyuh!)  :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on April 26, 2010, 12:31:50 PM
Both teams in this game looked like they were just playing out the string. No real desire to do much other than survive 90 minutes without a world cup threatening injury.
Tevez was mostly invisible and Adebayor was out there smiling whole time and hailing out man like it was a fete match.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on April 26, 2010, 01:10:37 PM
Both teams in this game looked like they were just playing out the string. No real desire to do much other than survive 90 minutes without a world cup threatening injury.
Tevez was mostly invisible and Adebayor was out there smiling whole time and hailing out man like it was a fete match.

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 26, 2010, 03:59:23 PM
boring boring boring

high points, walcot tracking back, but he and sagna seem to get their wires crossed

rosicky boring

diaby battled viera but that's all he did

viera lucky not to get carded for his lash out at song

song was ok considering he just got back from injury

speaking of injury, arsenal at half strength and man city game plan was to get a point?
wenger ah fed up! change yuh tactics and buy some players!

  ....then maybe you can direct more, if not all of your criticism to mancini and not arsene9 this time.  I must say, as far as injuries are concerned, this season allyuh had it RUFF! (but I eh sorry fuh allyuh!)  :devil:

yeah dat was a weird move by mancini
knowing we limping over the finish line and knowing they need 3 points more than the one played such defensive tactics

my vexation with wenger is because he doesnt change tact to deal with teams that present this type of game for us, we got away by sneeking late wins when teams do this, but this time we created little
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on April 26, 2010, 07:03:10 PM
boring boring boring

high points, walcot tracking back, but he and sagna seem to get their wires crossed

rosicky boring

diaby battled viera but that's all he did

viera lucky not to get carded for his lash out at song

song was ok considering he just got back from injury

speaking of injury, arsenal at half strength and man city game plan was to get a point?
wenger ah fed up! change yuh tactics and buy some players!

  ....then maybe you can direct more, if not all of your criticism to mancini and not arsene9 this time.  I must say, as far as injuries are concerned, this season allyuh had it RUFF! (but I eh sorry fuh allyuh!)  :devil:

yeah dat was a weird move by mancini
knowing we limping over the finish line and knowing they need 3 points more than the one played such defensive tactics

my vexation with wenger is because he doesnt change tact to deal with teams that present this type of game for us, we got away by sneeking late wins when teams do this, but this time we created little

To change tactics you need players and with all the injuries, Arsenal, or should I say Wenger was limited.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: onlikecorn on April 27, 2010, 05:23:21 AM
i am happy with the rumours i am hearing for the summer transfers. .. but ofcourse they are just rumours..

we will have to see what wenger does. . . latest rumors involve

subotic (defender)

and roque santa cruz . . . who i will take over eduardo any day. .

and also lookin at frey and alder both are keepers.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on April 27, 2010, 09:59:13 AM
Arshavin: Joining Barca would be 'peak of career'

http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/premierleague/story/Arshavin-eyes-Barcalona-switch (http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/premierleague/story/Arshavin-eyes-Barcalona-switch)

Arsenal striker Andrei Arshavin wants to play for Barcelona, saying it would be the highlight of his career.

Before Arshavin joined Arsenal in February 2007, Zenit St. Petersburg rejected a lower offer from Barcelona, to the Russia international's frustration.

Arshavin played in the first leg but was injured for the second when Arsenal was knocked out by Barcelona in the Champions League quarterfinals earlier this month.

"In case I have an opportunity to play one season in Barcelona, it would be the peak of my career," Arshavin was quoted as telling the English-language website of Russian newspaper Sport Express.

"After Arsenal played with Barca in the Champions League, my feeling of excitement changed to (a) feeling of dissatisfaction because Spanish club has become much stronger than any other club."

The 28-year-old Arshavin said he would prefer to finish his career back in the Russian league rather than playing for an English team that isn't challenging for the title.

"If someday I will have to choose between middle English club and (a) leading Russian championship (team), I would prefer to return to Russia," he said.

Arshavin's second season at Arsenal will end without a trophy. The Gunners are third in the Premier League they haven't won since 2004.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on April 27, 2010, 04:14:12 PM
Arshavin: Joining Barca would be 'peak of career'

http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/premierleague/story/Arshavin-eyes-Barcalona-switch (http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/premierleague/story/Arshavin-eyes-Barcalona-switch)

Arsenal striker Andrei Arshavin wants to play for Barcelona, saying it would be the highlight of his career.

Before Arshavin joined Arsenal in February 2007, Zenit St. Petersburg rejected a lower offer from Barcelona, to the Russia international's frustration.

Arshavin played in the first leg but was injured for the second when Arsenal was knocked out by Barcelona in the Champions League quarterfinals earlier this month.

"In case I have an opportunity to play one season in Barcelona, it would be the peak of my career," Arshavin was quoted as telling the English-language website of Russian newspaper Sport Express.

"After Arsenal played with Barca in the Champions League, my feeling of excitement changed to (a) feeling of dissatisfaction because Spanish club has become much stronger than any other club."

The 28-year-old Arshavin said he would prefer to finish his career back in the Russian league rather than playing for an English team that isn't challenging for the title.

"If someday I will have to choose between middle English club and (a) leading Russian championship (team), I would prefer to return to Russia," he said.

Arshavin's second season at Arsenal will end without a trophy. The Gunners are third in the Premier League they haven't won since 2004.


Alexander Hlieb deuce
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on April 27, 2010, 05:38:09 PM
Arshavin: Joining Barca would be 'peak of career'

http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/premierleague/story/Arshavin-eyes-Barcalona-switch (http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/premierleague/story/Arshavin-eyes-Barcalona-switch)

Arsenal striker Andrei Arshavin wants to play for Barcelona, saying it would be the highlight of his career.

Before Arshavin joined Arsenal in February 2007, Zenit St. Petersburg rejected a lower offer from Barcelona, to the Russia international's frustration.

Arshavin played in the first leg but was injured for the second when Arsenal was knocked out by Barcelona in the Champions League quarterfinals earlier this month.

"In case I have an opportunity to play one season in Barcelona, it would be the peak of my career," Arshavin was quoted as telling the English-language website of Russian newspaper Sport Express.

"After Arsenal played with Barca in the Champions League, my feeling of excitement changed to (a) feeling of dissatisfaction because Spanish club has become much stronger than any other club."

The 28-year-old Arshavin said he would prefer to finish his career back in the Russian league rather than playing for an English team that isn't challenging for the title.

"If someday I will have to choose between middle English club and (a) leading Russian championship (team), I would prefer to return to Russia," he said.

Arshavin's second season at Arsenal will end without a trophy. The Gunners are third in the Premier League they haven't won since 2004.


Alexander Hlieb deuce
Agreed!!!

This guy is more hype than substance at the moment.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on April 27, 2010, 05:43:44 PM
Arshavin: Joining Barca would be 'peak of career'

http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/premierleague/story/Arshavin-eyes-Barcalona-switch (http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/premierleague/story/Arshavin-eyes-Barcalona-switch)

Arsenal striker Andrei Arshavin wants to play for Barcelona, saying it would be the highlight of his career.

Before Arshavin joined Arsenal in February 2007, Zenit St. Petersburg rejected a lower offer from Barcelona, to the Russia international's frustration.

Arshavin played in the first leg but was injured for the second when Arsenal was knocked out by Barcelona in the Champions League quarterfinals earlier this month.

"In case I have an opportunity to play one season in Barcelona, it would be the peak of my career," Arshavin was quoted as telling the English-language website of Russian newspaper Sport Express.

"After Arsenal played with Barca in the Champions League, my feeling of excitement changed to (a) feeling of dissatisfaction because Spanish club has become much stronger than any other club."

The 28-year-old Arshavin said he would prefer to finish his career back in the Russian league rather than playing for an English team that isn't challenging for the title.

"If someday I will have to choose between middle English club and (a) leading Russian championship (team), I would prefer to return to Russia," he said.

Arshavin's second season at Arsenal will end without a trophy. The Gunners are third in the Premier League they haven't won since 2004.


Alexander Hlieb deuce
Agreed!!!

This guy is more hype than substance at the moment.


I think he plays so lazy and he always tired. He would have to improve his work ethic just to make barca's bench!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on May 03, 2010, 01:40:56 PM
End of the season, nothing to play for but pride.

What's that you say, We don't care about pride? At most we're trying not to get injured before the World Cup?
OK, only 1 more to go...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Blue on May 03, 2010, 01:47:16 PM
End of the season, nothing to play for but pride.

What's that you say, We don't care about pride? At most we're trying not to get injured before the World Cup?
OK, only 1 more to go...

...to secure direct qualification to the group stages of the Champions League.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on May 03, 2010, 01:49:56 PM
End of the season, nothing to play for but pride.

What's that you say, We don't care about pride? At most we're trying not to get injured before the World Cup?
OK, only 1 more to go...

...to secure direct qualification to the group stages of the Champions League.

Spurs - Man City will be a 2-2 tie...  ;D

I forget them still had to play oui.  ::)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: elan on May 03, 2010, 02:02:48 PM
End of the season, nothing to play for but pride.

What's that you say, We don't care about pride? At most we're trying not to get injured before the World Cup?
OK, only 1 more to go...

What were they playing for all the time.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on May 03, 2010, 02:03:51 PM
End of the season, nothing to play for but pride.

What's that you say, We don't care about pride? At most we're trying not to get injured before the World Cup?
OK, only 1 more to go...

What were they playing for all the time.

Apparently 4th place...  :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on May 05, 2010, 06:31:30 AM
Looks like Arsenal start buying already. Chamak admits he signed with Arsenal.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 08, 2010, 09:42:38 AM
with arsenal i doh believe who sign until i see them on the website smiling

and i want to see mercenaries this summer

as for tomorrow

we should have wrapped up 3rd already but we didnt

now we have to play for it at home against a hopefully weakened Fulham who have an eye on thier deserved europa final

BUT we are weakened as well


on a side note here are the arsenal players out of contract this summer
Almunia
GallasSilvestre
Senderos

so based on that fact alone i see Arsene buying two defenders and a keeper and that is after Chamakh allegedly already signed

but i do see eduardo possibly leaving
along with maybe rosicky but he and cesc are best buddies supposedly
i want denilson gone
and soem how find a way for sagna and walcott to work together
also bring young jack wilshire back

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 10, 2010, 09:20:44 AM
ok nice way to wrap up the season

and lovely to see spurs slip on their last day

now to see what transfers may come this summer
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: PantherX on May 10, 2010, 03:10:41 PM
Quote
...and lovely to see spurs slip on their last day

I was waiting for a comment along those lines from you gooners.  It's obvious watching the game that we were on holiday in the second half most likely due to the licks you put on Fulham (who were more concerned with the Europa final) in the first half of your game.

Rather than engaging in the usual diatribe though I'll just say well played and I look forward to our battles next season ;)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: palos on May 10, 2010, 03:23:26 PM
I look forward to our battles next season ;)
1 win in 10 years could hardly be considered to be "battles"  :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: PantherX on May 10, 2010, 06:42:31 PM
Whatever helps you sleep at night breds  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on May 11, 2010, 09:00:04 AM
Gunners fans losing their minds with the rumors of Yaya, Rene Adler (GK) and Chamak. If this is fact then its three major signings. All they need now is a CB of quality.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: DeSoWa on May 11, 2010, 11:00:51 AM
4th in 08/09
3rd in 09/10

We are on the up and up  ;D

Big Up!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 11, 2010, 04:45:30 PM
like i said not taking any rumors serious until i see the player smiling on the arsenal website
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 18, 2010, 04:31:50 PM
these rumors killing me

cesc leaving for barca???

i wont mind if he goes after wenger buys a new keeper and two centerbacks

BUT he hasnt yet

f**k id rather if arshavin left

if wenger doesnt pull his f**king finger out it europa league for arsenal in 2011/2012
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Blue on May 19, 2010, 02:03:24 PM
So wid Cesc riding out, who (realistically) will be in midfield for Arsenal next season? Wilshere?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: SOBRIQUET on May 19, 2010, 03:00:12 PM
Why play for Barcelona Lite, when you can represent the real thing?

It's Arsenal Who Owe Cesc...

Fabregas was always going to be a star, which is exactly why Wenger poached him from Barcelona. And don't kid yourself that he wouldn't have had a chance at Barca by now, the boy is top class, far far superior to the likes of Sergio Busquets, Keita, and Toure. What Cesc owes Arsenal he has paid back in spades, with more goals, assists, and leadership, dragging a team nowhere near the quality of Chelsea or Man Utd in to contention for the title this season and in previous seasons. Never complaining, never having tantrums and letting his team mates down, like some former captains. He has been sensational.

If anyone is owed anything, Arsenal and Wenger owe him a team worthy of him, not to surround him in midfield with the likes of Denilson and Diaby. After three or four years of empty promises and pathetic collapses, can you really blame him for leaving? You accuse him of whining? When exactly? You say Wenger has earned your respect because he's delivered trophies in the dim and distant past, but Cesc hasn't. He was supposed to do it single handedly was he, with maybe half a season's help from RVP? You're deluded. He could have left at any point in the last three or four years but has shown loyalty and love for the club. Unfortunately his ambition hasn't been matched by his manager or the board.

If he goes it will be a great shame for English football as he is world class and a pleasure to watch, and is yet another top player leaving our league, but to blame him is ridiculous and frankly if that's your attitude you don't deserve him.
Richard Strzeleki (some blogger on guardian football website)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: onlikecorn on May 23, 2010, 05:42:27 AM
chamakh completes move. . .

Arsenal Football Club is delighted to announce that Moroccan international striker Marouane Chamakh has joined the Gunners on a long-term contract.

Chamakh (26), who joins Arsenal from French side Bordeaux, made a total of 293 appearances, scoring 79 goals during his eight years with Les Girondins.

In the 2008/09 league campaign, Chamakh scored 14 goals, helping Bordeaux win the French League title, thus ending Lyon’s seven-year domination of Ligue 1. The Moroccan striker’s fine form continued last season, playing an integral role in helping Bordeaux reach the quarter-finals of the UEFA Champions League, where they finished above both Bayern Munich and Juventus in the Group Stages.

Born and raised in France, but playing international football for Morocco through his parentage, Chamakh has made 53 appearances for the north African country, scoring 27 goals, and was part of the side which reached the Final of the 2004 Africa Cup of Nations.

Manager Arsène Wenger said: “We are delighted that Marouane Chamakh has joined us. He is a player we have admired for some time now and I know he will provide our squad with great quality. Chamakh has proved he is a great player with his performances for Bordeaux and Morocco in recent seasons and we’re all looking forward to him joining us.

"Chamakh is a striker of real quality and has all the attributes suited to come to England and do very well. He is also a fighter, not only a good football player, but a fighter as well. He is very good in the air and also a good team player. He is a great addition to our squad.”

After completing his move to the Gunners, Chamakh said: “This is a dream come true and a great joy to be joining Arsenal. My goal was always to play in the Premier League and Arsenal was the choice of my heart.

“Without any hesitation, Arsenal was my preferred club. The team and history of Arsenal, they make me dream. My goal was to join Arsenal out of the all the English clubs because it is a club that makes me dream and I have been a fan since I was a child.

“I’m very excited about playing at Emirates Stadium in front of the Arsenal supporters. I have heard many great things about the stadium and I cannot wait to be playing there in an Arsenal shirt.

“I will give my best to this Club, the Club that I used to support. We have many great players at Arsenal and I will be giving everything to help the team win trophies next season.”

Ivan Gazidis, Chief Executive of Arsenal Football Club added: “Arsène has been following the progress of Marouane Chamakh for some time and has identified him as a player that will add significant strength to our squad. We’re delighted that Marouane has chosen Arsenal ahead of the many other clubs that were interested in him.”

Chamakh, who will wear the number 29 shirt for Arsenal, will join up with his new team-mates for pre-season training in July.

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/marouane-chamakh-completes-move-to-arsenal (http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/marouane-chamakh-completes-move-to-arsenal)

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on May 24, 2010, 07:46:05 AM
Nigerian may buy Arsenal shares
Nigerian businessman Aliko Dangote is considering a move to buy a 15.9% stake in the club.

"Yes, he is interested," confirmed the 53-year-old billionaire's spokesman Joseph Okonmah.

Lady Nina Bracewell-Smith's shares are currently on the market with a price tag thought to be worth almost £100m.

Last month she instructed UK brokers Blackstone to find a buyer, having previously given up her place on the club's board in 2008.

Dangote is reputed to be Africa's richest man, with Forbes magazine in the United States estimating his fortune two years ago at $3.3bn (£2.3bn).

His fortune was built on a business empire which includes the number one sugar production company in Nigeria, a cement factory and textile products.

He recently told Nigerian newspaper ThisDay that he had been an Arsenal supporter for a "long time", adding: "It started in 1980 when I forged a relationship with Mr David Dein, former vice chairman of the board of Arsenal."

Stan Kroenke and Alisher Usmanov and Arsenal's two largest shareholders and it was thought that Lady Bracewell-Smith's decision to sell might start a bidding war between them.

US billionaire Kroenke owns 29.98% of the club's shares, while Russian tycoon Usmanov holds holds 26.29%, but if any shareholder's stake reaches 30%, he or she has to make a takeover offer for the club.

Neither Kroenke, who also owns the NBA's Denver Nuggets basketball side, the Colorado Rapids MLS football team, and a stake in the NFL's St Louis Rams American football team, nor Usmanov has so far been willing to take that step.

And Blackstone, who have been advising Lady Bracewell-Smith for several months, have been looking for an appropriate alternative buyer.

According to the Daily Telegraph, the company has also spoken to consortiums in Eastern Europe and the Far East but the Arsenal Supporters' Trust is urging Lady Bracewell-Smith to lower the asking price for her 9,893 shares.

Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport2/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/8701215.stm

Published: 2010/05/24 12:53:15 GMT

© BBC MMX
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 25, 2010, 05:38:29 PM
dont believe shit till its offical on the site

welcome chamakh to arsenal

now to welcome a keeper and two centre backs
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on May 28, 2010, 08:20:05 AM
WEEK THAT WAS
Wenger's words of wisdom befuddle Cesc

By email Dominic Raynor
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May 28, 2010

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The domestic football season has reached its conclusion and so The Week That Was heads off for a well earned summer break - but be sure to keep an eye out for our cosmopolitan cousin World Cup Daily.

Before signing off, we can exclusively reveal what Arsene Wenger said in his secret meeting with Cesc Fabregas, how moustache power could be key to Portugal's success and also offer up the 101 best goals of the season for your delectation.

Wenger's words of wisdom

Cesc Fabregas and Arsene Wenger

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Arsene Wenger imparts his wisdom

When Barcelona target Cesc Fabregas determinedly tramped into Arsene Wenger's office this week to demand that Arsenal allow him to return to his boyhood club, few expected he would emerge profoundly moved by the experience.

"It is probably the greatest conversation I have had with someone in my life," Cesc declared. A statement that left the rest of us wondering just exactly what the silver-tongued Gunners boss might have said to his protege and slightly jealous that we weren't invited to such a momentous event.

Luckily, this column has its grubby little fingers in many pies and can exclusively reveal that Wenger's mind trick went something like this:

Fabregas: I'm off!

Wenger: There is no escape. Don't make me destroy you. You do not yet realize your importance. You have only begun to discover your power. Join me and I will complete your training. With our combined strength, we can end this destructive conflict and bring order to the galaxy... er... I mean football.

Fabregas: I'll never join you!

Wenger: If you only knew the power of the Arsenal. Pat Rice never told you what happened to your father.

Fabregas: He told me enough.

Wenger: I am your father.

Fabregas: No. No. That's not true! That's impossible!

Wenger: Search your feelings. You know it to be true.

Or something like that anyway.



source www.soccernet.com
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: onlikecorn on June 01, 2010, 09:31:10 AM
guorcuff interested in coming to arsenal . ..and if cesc leave. . i think he is a good replacement. . . i would welcome him. ..
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on June 01, 2010, 10:47:22 AM
Wenger is highly respected by his French  players as a mentor he is a good choice for young aspiring players
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on June 01, 2010, 11:06:53 AM

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Posted by James Martin

The "big" news is out -- winger Theo Walcott has been left out of Fabio Capello's England squad. Reports from England are reporting the "shock omission," a sentiment no doubt shared by many fans of Walcott's club, Arsenal.

"Shock omission." Really? Leaving him off the England squad is about as surprising as an English player missing a penalty kick. The real kicker would have been if Capello decided to bring Walcott to South Africa.

As anyone who's watched the Gunners over the past couple of seasons can attest, Walcott has blazing speed. He can run down the pitch faster than anyone in the Premier League. Problem is, he often doesn't know what to do with the ball once he gets there, opting for ill-advised passes and poor shots on goal. Speed, in Walcott's case, doesn't kill.

Capello's decision reflects the fact that Walcott, just 21, hasn't matured into a world-class footballer just yet. For now, he'll have to bide his time until World Cup 2014.

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Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on June 01, 2010, 02:18:06 PM
so arsenal have anyone on the england squad?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 01, 2010, 06:59:45 PM
nope! what of it?

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Blue on June 02, 2010, 01:25:42 PM
so arsenal have anyone on the england squad?

Supposedly, your big name signing this summer will be...Joe Cole
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: boss on June 04, 2010, 07:08:19 AM
In case anyone wants to go:

(http://www.arsenal.com/assets/_files/images/jun_10/gun__1275641836_em_cup_2010.jpg)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 06, 2010, 03:54:18 PM
wish i could go
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: xixgon on June 06, 2010, 07:24:25 PM
Kind of a weak lineup; not bad though.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 21, 2010, 02:10:13 PM
so cesc nearly score with his first touches after coming on as a sub

spain winning despite not hitting form yet
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: DeSoWa on June 23, 2010, 05:06:38 PM
August
14 Liverpool (A)
21 Blackpool (H)
28 Blackburn (A)
September
11 Bolton (H)
18 Sunderland (A)
25 West Brom (H)
October
2 Chelsea (A)
16 Birmingham (H)
23 Man City (A)
30 West Ham (H)
November
6 Newcastle (H)
9 Wolves (A)
13 Everton (A)
20 Tottenham (H)
27 Aston Villa (A)
December
4 Fulham (H)
11 Man Utd  (A)
18 Stoke (H)
26 Chelsea (H)
28 Wigan (A)
January
1 Birmingham (A)
4 Man City (H)
15 West Ham (A)
22 Wigan (H)
February
1 Everton (H)
5 Newcastle (A)
12 Wolves (H)
26 Tottenham (A)
March
5 Sunderland (H)
19 West Brom (A)
April
2 Blackburn (H)
9 Blackpool (A)
16 Liverpool (H)
23 Bolton (A)
30 Man Utd (H)
May
7 Stoke (A)
14 Aston Villa (H)
22 Fulham (A)


Big Up!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 25, 2010, 08:10:00 AM
i hope i get some nice Christmas presents
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 13, 2010, 05:13:47 PM
new defender and cesc still arsenal captain
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on July 14, 2010, 07:03:01 AM
new defender and cesc still arsenal captain
he staying or going?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on July 14, 2010, 08:56:05 AM
wow, looks like fairly smooth sailing from February onward.  Who Arsenal bribe to geh da schedule?!!! :devil:
Title: Re: Interesting read concerning Barca, Ibra and Eto and Fabregas
Post by: Ngozi on July 18, 2010, 11:23:32 AM

Who is Responsible for the Zlatan Ibrahimović Debacle?
By
Varughese Rajan
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VILLARREAL, SPAIN - MAY 01: Zlatan Ibrahimovic of FC Barcelona sits on the bench during the La Liga match between Villarreal CF and FC Barcelona at El Madrigal stadium on May 1, 2010 in Villarreal, Spain. (Photo by Manuel Queimadelos Alonso/Getty Images) Manuel Queimadelos Alonso/Getty Images

The jury is still out on whether Zlatan Ibrahimovic was a success for Barcelona last season. Anywhere else in the world, 21 goals and 10 assists would be celebrated as a huge success.

But when you have a price tag of €70 million, the highest in club history, maybe those figures simply are not good enough.

Compared to other strikers, the stats are pretty good, but Ibra cannot in any way be called a success. Especially when Bojan Krkic—a kid previously discarded by Guardiola—manages to easily replace you at the most crucial juncture of the season.

Maybe the ridiculous price tag associated with Ibra is the same thing that's acting heavily against him, something I highlighted in an earlier post . You have to be in trouble when the club's newly appointed financial vice-president rightly questions the amount spent in acquiring the star.

Suddenly, the Barcelona-based media outlets such as Sport and El Mundo Deportivo are raising the same question. Kind of strange, ain't it? About a year ago, the same media outlets brought out crazy statistics to justify the amount the club paid for the Swede! At the time, I also clearly thought the same thing.

Then why the hell did Laporta enter into such a crazy deal, especially since it gave Inter one of the world's most successful strikers?

The answer lies in the question itself. The entire deal was done not to add an additional striker to Barca but to get rid of FC Barcelona's then present strike force—Samuel Eto'o.

If you remember just before the Ibra-Eto'o deal happened, Barca management were involved in a deal to sign David Villa. Barca were ready to fish out €40 million but Valencia were asking €10 million more and the deal broke off.

But in truth, the deal broke off because management couldn't find a possible exit route for Eto'o. I mean, if you can pay €46 million for Ibra, then why can't you add €4 million and buy Villa, who had a better chance to gel well with Iniesta and Xavi (they all play together for Spain's national team).

At that point, Inter entered the fray, and got a decent striker and €46 million in the end. With that money, they went and brought three players—Sneijder, Milito, and Lucio—all crucial to Inter's treble-achieving season.

In a nutshell, this has to be the most ridiculous deal ever done by Joan Laporta. But can we blame him alone for this? What part did Pep Guardiola play?

It was no secret that Eto'o was never part of Guardiola's plan. He remained in Barcelona, because the club couldn't find anyone willing to buy him. He then played the most important part in Barca's historic treble: No one will ever forget that early goal against Manchester United in Rome.

Still, Guardiola wanted him off the team and Inter presented the only escape route. Okay, Manchester City was interested in buying Eto'o but the chances of him leaving for a club with no chance of playing in the Champions League was slim. So the club definitely paid more for Guardiola's stubbornness than for Laporta's foolishness.

Rosell and company may argue that Laporta could have said "no." But was it possible to say no to the guy who oversaw the most brilliant season in the club's history?

Moreover, you never want to end up with a scenario in which one of the major players and the coach do not trust each other. Even though Eto'o wanted to stay, Guardiola had already made up his mind at the start of his tenure. Laporta had his hands tied and Inter Milan had the upper hand throughout deal negotiations.

It is no secret that following the Villa deal, club management is trying its best to find a suitor for Ibra. We bought him for €46 million in cash, so let's say that we take a Chygyrinskiy loss (i.e., 10 million), the price will still be €36 million.

I am not sure any club will match that at this moment. It makes more sense to keep him here. Oh, and I forgot—his salary is just below that of Messi's at Barca. Ibra may still turn out to be the player Guardiola hoped for when he was signed. But signing him saying that he offered more aerial threat was quite foolish—just watch the Man U vs Inter match to confirm that.

Are we reapeating the whole saga again with the Cesc Fabregas pursuit?

Fabregas should integrate easily into the team, but do we really need him? Especially amidst all the financial problems facing the club, as explained by both Rosell and Javier Faus.

It is becoming pretty clear that Rosell has been blowing up the financial problem for sometime. During his campaign, he has constantly stated that the club's debts are in excess of €400 million.

However, if we trust what Javier Faus has said, the real debt is €210 million (much smaller when compared to some other clubs), something which the Laporta administration has also stated previously.

I have to admit that Rosell's financial knowledge baffles me; I have no idea how he manage finances.

Last week, he said Barca had to raise €150 million in credit from banks to pay salaries. Now, his vice president says the club has €50 million for transfers.

If Barca has to take out a €150 million loan out to run the club normally, where did this money came from? The Chygrinskiy and Toure transfers would have yielded €40 million, that money should have been used, right?

Don't you think there is so much hidden behind all this? I don't have a clue. Wouldn't it be wiser to stop chasing Fabregas? Let's assume Barca manages to sign Fabregas for 40 million, the club would still need money to buy a holding midfielder and a left-sided attacking player.

They say Barca doesn't have the cash. Is Rosell attempting to do a Laporta here? At least Laporta had no choice last season!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 20, 2010, 12:47:47 PM
Cesc staying for at least this season!

but i feel eduardo gone

gallas and silvestre gone thank god

now to say hello to a good keeper and another centerback

and good bye to almunia and fabianski

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 21, 2010, 06:13:53 PM
barnet 0 - 4 arsenal

sturm graz 0 - 3 arsenal

and farewell to eduardo, sorry hi sfull season back was marred with injuries and british press hounding of a man who's career was iterrupted by a bullish tackle that has no place in football, the british press should be as bullish on such players and not those subjected to it, taylor and shawcross have botth been almost protected by the british press
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Trini _2026 on July 21, 2010, 06:21:25 PM
Brady Admits Senior Youngsters Are Fighting For Futures

Liam Brady believes  a selection of senior professionals in the Reserves ranks still have to prove themselves if they are to have a career with Arsenal. The Irishman took charge of the 2-2 draw  with Crawley Town last night, and admitted after most are fighting for their futures.

The most important step for youngsters is to continue their development, and Arsène Wenger has taken those he believes to be ready to compete for first-team places to Austria. For those left behind, the future looks bleak. Brady admits plenty of his squad still have some impressing to do, while some are firmly in the shop window and looking to attract new employment. Speaking to Arsenal.com, the Head of Youth Development was frank;

“Most of these boys will probably go on loan again this year (especially) the older ones. They have to prove themselves and they have to prove themselves to our manager and they have to ensure that if it isn’t going to happen here at Arsenal it is going to happen somewhere else for them, and I am confident that they will all do that.”

The likes of Rhys Murphy, Sanchez Watt and Oğuzhan Özyakup all still have futures at the club, and a loan spell is seen as the final piece of the jigsaw before they’re ready to compete for a first-team place. However, for Gavin Hoyte, Mark Randall, Nacer Barazite and Jay Simpson, game time is now the priority, and Wenger has indicated it won’t be with the first-team. All four have experienced a loan spell, and all four are available for a transfer should a suitable offer arrive.

Brady, who is taking charge of the Reserve team as Neil Banfield is coaching with the first-team, will continue with the squad which beat Crawley, with a selection of interested scouts set to run the rule over the current crop.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 30, 2010, 07:58:27 AM
emirates cup this weekend cant wait to see what we look like against some real opposition

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on July 30, 2010, 09:20:15 AM
emirates cup this weekend cant wait to see what we look like against some real opposition



GunnerStunner speaking with some Arsenal fans they have a concern that Arsenal have not strengthen the squad enough. As a matter of fact they don't feel the squad has been strengthened at all, when you consider
the players that have been leaving and only two buys. What are your thoughts?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on July 30, 2010, 09:34:33 AM
ok observer...this was not addressed to me but i dont think the squad is any stronger...a year more experienced yes but not stronger and definitely not as deep...true youngsters like frimpong and jay emmanuel thomas showing promise but i not sure if they ready to step up yet.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: doc on July 30, 2010, 09:43:36 AM
emirates cup this weekend cant wait to see what we look like against some real opposition



GunnerStunner speaking with some Arsenal fans they have a concern that Arsenal have not strengthen the squad enough. As a matter of fact they don't feel the squad has been strengthened at all, when you consider
the players that have been leaving and only two buys. What are your thoughts?
I think we need a DM and one more CB to put ouselves ;D in a better position
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Touches on July 30, 2010, 09:56:42 AM
We need a Keeper First.

Another Central defender, a blade man in the middle and another fwd...because bendtner crocked and Van persie cant go a month before he fold up with an injury.

We need quality....

We only have a setta labourers and men who trying.

We need BIG players who produce consistently.

Under all kicks...I wouldnt mind two new wingbacks...goldilocks and clichy adequate but not special. Dey does kill play more than add to it.


Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on July 30, 2010, 10:21:50 AM
i agree with the wingback suggestion dey touches...sagna is better defensively but his crossing leaves a lot to be desired...dais meh boy though.  nordveit coming along nicely, i know is only weak pre season opposition but de yute looking steady.

clichy on the other hand in some good form but it have to have better out there than him...sometimes he does make some real mental lapses.  he will die for the shirt though, i will give him that.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 31, 2010, 10:19:40 PM
emirates cup this weekend cant wait to see what we look like against some real opposition



GunnerStunner speaking with some Arsenal fans they have a concern that Arsenal have not strengthen the squad enough. As a matter of fact they don't feel the squad has been strengthened at all, when you consider
the players that have been leaving and only two buys. What are your thoughts?

after watching the game to day, same old story, we need a defensive coach, and a keeper, we have 4 keepers that we couldn't even sell if we wanted to
at least the new defender looked good, but when will arsenal learn to murder sides? too many chances and nothing to show we should have scored at least 2more than we did
but here's the catch, do we buy buy buy? we need a settled team, this season wil be trying again for the umteenth time, with cesc unsettled, and the injury jumbie will rear its head and disturpt us
also our wingers do nto do enough defensive work nor do we attack and cross with any strength and we arent making agressive runs off the ball, we need to look like a wolf pack when we attack, all moving forward and back as the game flows and ebs
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 05, 2010, 06:46:08 PM
well here he is at home from summer vacation after laying the world cup on a platter for spain

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/8890486.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/8890486.stm)

now if only those broke ass catatonians would back off
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bourbon on August 06, 2010, 10:28:35 AM
(http://www.studs-up.com/comics/2010-08-06.jpg)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on August 09, 2010, 08:14:47 AM
Ouch!!! (http://www.imscouting.com/global-news-article/Cesc-Fabregas-could-join-Barcelona-in-January-when-Arsenal-are-out-of-title-race-says-Xavi/9425/)
 
Barcelona midfielder Xavi expressed his disappointment with the club's failure to land Arsenal captain Cesc Fabregas , but, echoing remarks made by the Catalan club's vice president, stressed that the transfer was not dead.

"We've given up on the idea of him arriving now, but maybe he'll come in January when Arsenal are out of the Premier League title race," he was quoted as saying by Tuttomercato. "Their team are just not competitive."


"Arsenal are wrong to have forced him to remain there, they can't just hold him against his will," added the Barcelona vice captain.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: lefty on August 09, 2010, 08:44:34 AM
Ouch!!! (http://www.imscouting.com/global-news-article/Cesc-Fabregas-could-join-Barcelona-in-January-when-Arsenal-are-out-of-title-race-says-Xavi/9425/)
 
Barcelona midfielder Xavi expressed his disappointment with the club's failure to land Arsenal captain Cesc Fabregas , but, echoing remarks made by the Catalan club's vice president, stressed that the transfer was not dead.

"We've given up on the idea of him arriving now, but maybe he'll come in January when Arsenal are out of the Premier League title race," he was quoted as saying by Tuttomercato. "Their team are just not competitive."


"Arsenal are wrong to have forced him to remain there, they can't just hold him against his will," added the Barcelona vice captain.


wootoop............cuff :-X
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: D.H.W on August 09, 2010, 08:47:59 AM
Ouch!!! (http://www.imscouting.com/global-news-article/Cesc-Fabregas-could-join-Barcelona-in-January-when-Arsenal-are-out-of-title-race-says-Xavi/9425/)
 
Barcelona midfielder Xavi expressed his disappointment with the club's failure to land Arsenal captain Cesc Fabregas , but, echoing remarks made by the Catalan club's vice president, stressed that the transfer was not dead.

"We've given up on the idea of him arriving now, but maybe he'll come in January when Arsenal are out of the Premier League title race," he was quoted as saying by Tuttomercato. "Their team are just not competitive."


"Arsenal are wrong to have forced him to remain there, they can't just hold him against his will," added the Barcelona vice captain.


damn!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on August 09, 2010, 09:10:45 AM
He eh lie! Arsenal competitive, but they just don not have the quality beyond being just competitive. I will still watch them though because I love the way they play football.

On another note: Now once again Van Persie doubtful for the opening of the season. Six years at Arsenal and he has never had a stretch of playing consistently.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Touches on August 09, 2010, 12:39:32 PM
This side frustrating just like the soca warriors.

Come on Wenger...get us a keeper, another fwd, another Cb and another defensive midfielder.

Right now it looking like another trophy less season AGAIN!!!

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 09, 2010, 07:19:39 PM
Ouch!!! (http://www.imscouting.com/global-news-article/Cesc-Fabregas-could-join-Barcelona-in-January-when-Arsenal-are-out-of-title-race-says-Xavi/9425/)
 
Barcelona midfielder Xavi expressed his disappointment with the club's failure to land Arsenal captain Cesc Fabregas , but, echoing remarks made by the Catalan club's vice president, stressed that the transfer was not dead.

"We've given up on the idea of him arriving now, but maybe he'll come in January when Arsenal are out of the Premier League title race," he was quoted as saying by Tuttomercato. "Their team are just not competitive."


"Arsenal are wrong to have forced him to remain there, they can't just hold him against his will," added the Barcelona vice captain.


xavi puyol inesta are spanish c**ts

so watch this

yuh whole family linage went to and played football for QRC yuh whole neighborhood is qrc fans and past students etc
but yuh parents know that CIC is the better school and send you there
while there yuh football skills are nurtured and developed far beyond anyone's imagination (cept the CIC coach)
then yuh buss on d scene playing first team when yuh young
ppl start to notice
yuh become central to CIC squad and CIC aint win nuttin yet but coming close
then dry so everybody telling yuh to go QRC
you want to go but yuh cyar leave cus yuh signed up at CIC till a levels
BUT
because of the values and morals you learnt at CIC you are a man of your word and stick to your contract

basically he who vex lorse so xavi go cry into your world cup medal that cesc set up for spain even though he ride bench whole world cup
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 09, 2010, 07:20:30 PM
(http://www.studs-up.com/comics/2010-08-06.jpg)

that site real kicks i check it religiously
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 09, 2010, 07:21:54 PM
This side frustrating just like the soca warriors.

Come on Wenger...get us a keeper, another fwd, another Cb and another defensive midfielder.

Right now it looking like another trophy less season AGAIN!!!


dunno about a striker but a..
keeper YES
defensive mid YES
Utility defender as cover YES
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 12, 2010, 02:18:52 PM
CANNOT EFFNING WAIT FOR EFFNING SUNDAY!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 13, 2010, 07:16:20 AM
arsenal start the season with 8 players unavailable

unavailable: Denilson (abdominal), Diaby & Song (both calf), Fabregas & van Persie (both fitness)

Injured: Bendtner (groin), Djourou (hamstring), Ramsey (broken leg)

 ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on August 16, 2010, 07:36:34 AM
Phew Arsenal came back and grabbed the draw not less than they deserved ... despite having better possession offensively they didn't assert themselves enough.
Despite the goal conceded I felt they looked solid defensively although Clichy get "seductively abused"  on a few.
Diaby continues to boggle the mind ... nice touches then gives away the ball with his next pass almost methodically.
Rosicky came on and did some nice things always liked him as a player glad he is finally fit.

Walcott ... walcott, walcott lol one of these days his game will come in sync with his speed and on that fateful day it will be hell to pay against him ....Arsene will bring him along well.

The new defender Koschelsky .. (couldn't spell it)  ... I thought he looked good he was unlucky to be sent off I felt that handball was more accidental more a reflex and it end up hitting his hand but the truth be told I always measure defenders in this league when they had a dose of Drogba in they ass for 90 mins or Rooney before I grade em..... can't rate him against a half fit Torres ... inconclusive.

Nasri looked sharp!

Almunia maintains his crappy disdain for cross balls and goalkeeping in general .... hope they get Shwarzer


Lots of optimism especially since this was definitely not Arsenal's strongest team ... with the exception of Torres this Liverpool team won't get much stronger but they're battling ...pleased to see that kinda spirit.
Arsenal  still have Fabregas, RVP, Song to start and although I'm saying this tentatively I feel they will get the Fulham keeper  Shwarzer and alsooooo I feel Clichy could end up losing his place to Gibbs.

That's it in a nutshell por ahora!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Touches on August 16, 2010, 07:57:42 AM
Arshavin looking poor and we still want to walk the ball in the net like is small goal.

Men hadda start piping bullet from outside.

Not convinced with Chamak, apart from looking like he have mange, I ent seeing no "specialness" bout him
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on August 16, 2010, 09:18:49 AM
Arshavin looking poor and we still want to walk the ball in the net like is small goal.

Men hadda start piping bullet from outside.

Not convinced with Chamak, apart from looking like he have mange, I ent seeing no "specialness" bout him
I hear you but I think Chamak's value is in the goal that scored. We had nobody before that would even make that challenge on the the goalkeeper.

It was the first game and at Anfield no less, one of the toughest places to play. We definitely need a keeper and more defensive cover. The one moment that made me think Koscielny has something was when he beat Torres in a one on one situation. I've seen most defenders, Rio Ferdinand especially, lose that battle. Ok maybe Torres is not fully fit but it bodes well for Koscielny's confidence.

I'm not too upset because i'd rather our flaws be exposed now and AW's hand be forced than us starting with an emphatic victory and delusionally believing that we are good enough to win with our current squad.

All in all, I think this weekend would actually be good for our season ahead.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on August 16, 2010, 09:23:14 AM
Wait, allyuh actually find Koscielny look good? The guy look shaky, and Arsenal don't even have a better option on the bench. Not ragging on the man, but its a shame Arsenal wouldnt spend some judgement paper to buy an experienced centre half so they dont have to throw him in off the deep end.

And Chamakh look lil slow and cumbersome to me.. All Reina had to do was to step forward and catch or punch that ball, dont know why he even let Chamakh reach there in front of him.

Arsenal have no brand without Fabregas.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on August 16, 2010, 09:25:22 AM
Arshavin looking poor and we still want to walk the ball in the net like is small goal.

Men hadda start piping bullet from outside.

Not convinced with Chamak, apart from looking like he have mange, I ent seeing no "specialness" bout him

Remember what people said about Bergkamp and Adebayor when they first arrived!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bourbon on August 16, 2010, 11:24:17 AM
Arshavin looking poor and we still want to walk the ball in the net like is small goal.

Men hadda start piping bullet from outside.

Not convinced with Chamak, apart from looking like he have mange, I ent seeing no "specialness" bout him


I read on a forum a man arguing adamantly  that arsenal scored the most goals from outside de box in de whole of last season. I eh see no article or any hard data to back that up...but ....like it eh dat cut and dry.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on August 16, 2010, 03:58:48 PM
Allyuh men missing the point about Chamak the man offering the option that arsenal didn't have before.
It showed on the goal conceded by Liverpool it showed with rosicky shot on goal. They need a target man there was a time last season where arshavin was leading the attack....this tiny man.
With the kind of build up play arsenal play, they need a target man who strong enough to hold up the ball and link the midfielders for shots on goals.
I agree with touches Arshavin did nothing but the nice thing is that they also have Gibbs on the bench who as well as playing the wingback could also play the wing and give Clichy a lil more support.

Lets's face it Arsenal's strength is their midfield and Wenger tactically arranges his teams to their strengths so any opportunity to link their midfielders more and more with a target player will make them more dangerous than before.

They need a keeper and a defender and they will be set to challenge for honours this season.

Again I agree with touches the midfielders need to be given instructions to shoot more and more 64% possession 17 shots and only 3 on goal ... unacceptable.

I waiting to see them against Chelsea and Man United that will lets us know where they at.

Drogba does abuse them youth time to see if they grow up and ready for him.!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on August 16, 2010, 04:38:24 PM
The one moment that made me think Koscielny has something was when he beat Torres in a one on one situation. I've seen most defenders, Rio Ferdinand especially, lose that battle. Ok maybe Torres is not fully fit but it bodes well for Koscielny's confidence.

How does it say anything about his confidence... what he supposed tuh do stop running once he see Torres take off?  Torres coming off knee and hamstring issues and clearly wasn't 100%...  no maybe in that.  That said Koscielny played well and was happy he wasn't injured by Cole's challenge.  It will be a different story once he has to run out against a fit Torres or Rooney or a Drogba though.

And Chamakh look lil slow and cumbersome to me.. All Reina had to do was to step forward and catch or punch that ball, dont know why he even let Chamakh reach there in front of him.


I don't suppose yuh see de sun that was shining in his face?  Who knows when he actually picked up the flight of the ball.  I give Chamakh credit for being a pest and challenging... the flash he flash in front Reina created the flub and indirectly, the goal.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: doc on August 16, 2010, 05:21:50 PM
Arshavin looking poor and we still want to walk the ball in the net like is small goal.

Men hadda start piping bullet from outside.

Not convinced with Chamak, apart from looking like he have mange, I ent seeing no "specialness" bout him


I read on a forum a man arguing adamantly  that arsenal scored the most goals from outside de box in de whole of last season. I eh see no article or any hard data to back that up...but ....like it eh dat cut and dry.
I have heard this stat reported as well.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on August 16, 2010, 09:13:16 PM
The one moment that made me think Koscielny has something was when he beat Torres in a one on one situation. I've seen most defenders, Rio Ferdinand especially, lose that battle. Ok maybe Torres is not fully fit but it bodes well for Koscielny's confidence.

How does it say anything about his confidence... what he supposed tuh do stop running once he see Torres take off?  Torres coming off knee and hamstring issues and clearly wasn't 100%...  no maybe in that.  That said Koscielny played well and was happy he wasn't injured by Cole's challenge.  It will be a different story once he has to run out against a fit Torres or Rooney or a Drogba though.

And Chamakh look lil slow and cumbersome to me.. All Reina had to do was to step forward and catch or punch that ball, dont know why he even let Chamakh reach there in front of him.


I don't suppose yuh see de sun that was shining in his face?  Who knows when he actually picked up the flight of the ball.  I give Chamakh credit for being a pest and challenging... the flash he flash in front Reina created the flub and indirectly, the goal.

The last time a man say the sun was in he eyes we didn't make it to italy  ...... that excuse went out the window from that day onwards lol
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on August 17, 2010, 06:49:27 AM
Arsenal problem over the last 3 seasons is on the other end. Giving up goals at an alarming rate 31, 37, 41 against.
So even though they out scoring the have been leaking goals like a mid table team.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 17, 2010, 05:51:01 PM
Arshavin looking poor and we still want to walk the ball in the net like is small goal.

Men hadda start piping bullet from outside.

Not convinced with Chamak, apart from looking like he have mange, I ent seeing no "specialness" bout him

firstly, arsenal scored 19 goals from outside the area last season twice as many and the next highest score from outside the area in the prem

chamakh is there for, link play, holding up the ball, his touches and size help alot, he attacks the ball hence giving pepe issues to deal with and leading to the fortunate equalizer, last year we wouldnt hav echallenged for that ball easy catch for pepe
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 17, 2010, 05:56:36 PM
Wait, allyuh actually find Koscielny look good? The guy look shaky, and Arsenal don't even have a better option on the bench. Not ragging on the man, but its a shame Arsenal wouldnt spend some judgement paper to buy an experienced centre half so they dont have to throw him in off the deep end.

And Chamakh look lil slow and cumbersome to me.. All Reina had to do was to step forward and catch or punch that ball, dont know why he even let Chamakh reach there in front of him.

Arsenal have no brand without Fabregas.
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brand? there you go again with this brand shit trini talk, arsenal "brand" has been the same since wenger has been there which is before cesc and probably after cesc

arsenals two issues, no real "spine", and this spine being affected trough injuries

well three issues cus the keeper is one issue by himself even though he is part of the "spine"

koscielny oozes technical, physical and mental class will get better as the season progresses
arsenal needs at least one more maybe 2 centerbacks
and wingers who can cross

you could be beckham and if yuh forwards and midfeild dont attack the crosses you send in they will look like you dont know how to cross

tell yuh what, let drogba lampard and essien get injured like cesc rvp and song did at arsenal last season ans see where you end up
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 17, 2010, 05:59:41 PM
Arsenal problem over the last 3 seasons is on the other end. Giving up goals at an alarming rate 31, 37, 41 against.
So even though they out scoring the have been leaking goals like a mid table team.

yup yup yup

and leaking at an increasing rate, only got 2 new defenders during that time to now and lost 3
also we have certain midfeilders who do not track back on runs or to defend

teams will always just sit back and wait let us have th eball and try to snatch something cus our keepers get bored and forget what they there for
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 17, 2010, 06:08:29 PM
so blackpool on saturday

i hope the line up looks like this:

almunia/schwartzer???given???

sagna/eboue vermaelen djourou gibbs/clichy

nasri cesc song

walcott rvp/chamakh rosicky/arshavin

players in bold id like to see start the game

arshavin is such an engima, lazy no f**k but takes a moment to pull something brilliant

rosicky looks close to his best form before injuries for almost 2 years



Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on August 19, 2010, 12:17:19 PM

Arsenal Injuries Mount As Elvis Has Left the Building
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LIVERPOOL, ENGLAND - AUGUST 15: Samir Nasri of Arsenal in action during the Barclays Premier League match between Liverpool and Arsenal at Anfield on August 15, 2010 in Liverpool, England. (Photo by Clive Brunskill/Getty Images) Clive Brunskill/Getty Images
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With under 48 hours to go before Arsenal's first home game of the season, personnel problems persist at Ashburton Grove.

The Gunners opened their season away at Liverpool with a 1-1 draw.

Once again, Manuel Almunia was singled out for criticism by fans and critics alike. Fulham manager Mark Hughes has admitted that Mark Schwarzer is looking for a move away from Craven Cottage, with the Emirates being his likely destination.

Manchester City's Shay Given is also a wanted man, as he has stated his intent to move from the City of Manchester Stadium after losing his starting spot to Joe Hart.

Both keepers would be a marked improvement over Almunia; however, Wenger refuses to speak out on whether he intends to bring either man to the club.

Wenger also has serious central defense issues (what's new?).

William Gallas, Mikael Silvestre, Sol Campbell, and Philippe Senderos all left the club in the summer, with only Laurent Koscielny coming in as a replacement.

Koscielny did well in his first game for Arsenal, but his late red card means he will miss the upcoming match.

This leaves Arsenal with only Thomas Vermaelen as a definite center back.

Johan Djourou is recovering from injury and is in a rush to play on Saturday. Havard Nordtveit is hugely inexperienced, which leaves Alex Song as the only other viable option.

Song, however, is also short on fitness. Were he fit to play, he would be needed in midfield.

Rumours over the past 24 hours have linked Arsenal with Frenchman Sebastien Squillaci. The Sevilla center back was omitted from their Champions League squad as a move seems imminent. Once again, money is proving to be the sticking point.

Arsenal's injury problems at the back are mirrored in midfield.

Captain Cesc Fabregas failed to make the squad at Anfield because of a stomach bug and lack of match fitness.

Alex Song barely made the squad. Denilson didn't.

Andrei Arshavin was virtually non-existent throughout the game amidst rumours he is carrying a thigh injury. Aaron Ramsey is not expected back until November.

To add to all this, on-form Samir Nasri will miss a month of football after undergoing minor knee surgery.

And since when it rains, it pours, today impressive youngster Emmanuel Frimpong was ruled out for nine months after he tore his cruciate ligaments in a Reserve match in Dublin.

Arsene Wenger must be wondering whether he'll have 11 players to send out on Saturday at the Emirates.

Indeed, those who travel to the game on Saturday—or watch on television—will notice some marked changes to the grounds.

Continuing with the process of "Arsenalisation", the Arsenal clock has been returned, and the stands will be renamed. The stand baring the clock will be called "The Clock End", and the opposing stand will be named "The North Bank", just like at Highbury.

The players will run out in their much-liked new home shirt; however, they will do so to a different beat. Elvis has finally left the building.

For the last number of seasons, the Gunners have emerged to play their home games to the sound of the King's "Wonder of You." The song was not well-received by Arsenal fans, who deemed it inappropriate.

It is rumoured that the club have changed the song under pressure from the supporters' group RedAction, and the Gunners will now run out to Fat Boy Slim's "Right Here, Right Now."

How good things are right here, right now at the Emirates will be judged more clearly on Saturday
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bourbon on August 19, 2010, 12:33:00 PM
Arsenal players either doh eat enuff dasheen or drink enough milk cuz dem ALWAYS injured! Lawd boy!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on August 24, 2010, 11:26:34 AM
We need a goalkeeper
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on August 24, 2010, 01:26:15 PM
Arsenal players either doh eat enuff dasheen or drink enough milk cuz dem ALWAYS injured! Lawd boy!

Because Arsene started playin a rell set of soft football and relying on young people who bones to still developing to play a set of matches. It will be interesting to see how many games these set of Arsenal footballers have missed compared to the sides that were winning in the early 2000s.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on August 24, 2010, 03:37:34 PM
We need a goalkeeper

   No y'all don't.....almunia is good enough fuh allyuh. ::) (according to allyuh most rabid poster on the forum)  :rotfl: 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on August 24, 2010, 08:23:08 PM
Almunia is the shittiest goalie in all the epl .... we need to replace him badly
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 25, 2010, 06:47:15 PM
Almunia is the shittiest goalie in all the epl .... we need to replace him badly
except when it comes to penalties to bad that's not how the game is played

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 25, 2010, 06:51:13 PM
so away to blackburn next

lets see if we can shut big sam up

and put another 6 past a "lower" team

cus lord knows chelsea dont look like slowing down or dropping points!

hopefully no new additions to the injury list

cesc n rvp getting fitter

new boy off suspension

and hopefully new defender signed



Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on August 26, 2010, 08:50:34 AM
Sometimes i don't understand the management of this club nuh.

You have somewhat of a goalkeeping crisis at the club. You identify Mark Schwarzer as the solution. You offer 2 million pounds, and that get rejected because Fulham want 3 million. You come back and bargaining hard, with the same 2 million pound offer... Meanwhile yuh keeper sulking in goal.

Yuh mean to say allyuh sooo cheap allyuh cant spend ah extra mil? Schwarzer will be worth at least an extra 10 points in the season, he will easily repay his investment once fit.

For all the tears about finances, Arsenal are in a much better position than most clubs in the Premier League debtwise.. And they would NEVER be able to maintain their cheapness if Wenger was not so great at grooming players and consistently turning a profit for them.

Nah, this side not serious about winning.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on August 26, 2010, 10:20:19 AM
Sometimes i don't understand the management of this club nuh.

You have somewhat of a goalkeeping crisis at the club. You identify Mark Schwarzer as the solution. You offer 2 million pounds, and that get rejected because Fulham want 3 million. You come back and bargaining hard, with the same 2 million pound offer... Meanwhile yuh keeper

Yuh mean to say allyuh sooo cheap allyuh cant spend ah extra mil? Schwarzer will be worth at least an extra 10 points in the season, he will easily repay his investment once fit.

For all the tears about finances, Arsenal are in a much better position than most clubs in the Premier League debtwise.. And they would NEVER be able to maintain their cheapness if Wenger was not so great at grooming players and consistently turning a profit for them.

Nah, this side not serious about winning.

He have meh lil frustrated about that as welll   ???
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on August 28, 2010, 06:18:03 AM
.....Ass 'n all off to a flying start....Walcott goal was nice.  Had "goal!" written on it from de time van Persie had receive de ball......Blackburn fightin' back and equalize but on a slick surface like today's, arsene9 and his men should have more weapons to capitalize.  We go see.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on August 28, 2010, 06:21:30 AM
Obviously Arsene9 and dem doh practise tackling. Van Persie hurt himself like a imps!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: chelsealife on August 28, 2010, 06:26:34 AM
Mame Biram Diouf and El Hadji looking lively up front. Van Persie off injured so i dnt think d arse have enough up front unless Walnut and Arshavin move infield more. 3-2 to Blackburn i think. Good warm up for the big games later though.  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Jahyouth on August 28, 2010, 08:02:49 AM
Solid, "grind it out" victory for the Arsenal today.    Excellent
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Peong on August 28, 2010, 08:28:55 AM
Another Arsenal injury?  Those men weak.
Arsenal don't have a weight room?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on August 28, 2010, 08:59:46 AM
Another Arsenal injury?  Those men weak.
Arsenal don't have a weight room?


Captain of the brittle bones brigade,Van Persie do a half arse tackle and injured his ankle.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on August 28, 2010, 11:31:27 AM
This eh no new injury, VanP came into the game with a doddgy ankle. He has always been injury prone, can't ever remember him playing a full season.
giggsy11 yuh real bias we, ent Ferdinand, Hargraves and Anderson out. All with knee injury  :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on August 28, 2010, 11:42:31 AM
This eh no new injury, VanP came into the game with a doddgy ankle. He has always been injury prone, can't ever remember him playing a full season.
giggsy11 yuh real bias we, ent Ferdinand, Hargraves and Anderson out. All with knee injury  :devil:

 :devil: Dem boys and dem jus started gettin injured and in Rio's case he old. Every season Van Persie gettin injured!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on August 28, 2010, 12:36:04 PM
This eh no new injury, VanP came into the game with a doddgy ankle. He has always been injury prone, can't ever remember him playing a full season.
giggsy11 yuh real bias we, ent Ferdinand, Hargraves and Anderson out. All with knee injury  :devil:

   Observer, I find is you who real bias!!  Ent ferdinand, hargreaves and anderson does have to practice with/against paul scholes?!  Dey must have injuries....me eh know what you pickin' on giggsy for...:devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on August 28, 2010, 12:43:27 PM
This eh no new injury, VanP came into the game with a doddgy ankle. He has always been injury prone, can't ever remember him playing a full season.
giggsy11 yuh real bias we, ent Ferdinand, Hargraves and Anderson out. All with knee injury  :devil:

   Observer, I find is you who real bias!!  Ent ferdinand, hargreaves and anderson does have to practice with/against paul scholes?!  Dey must have injuries....me eh know what you pickin' on giggsy for...:devil:

Chow haul yuh trouble makin arse! ;D  :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on August 28, 2010, 12:56:25 PM
Sometimes i don't understand the management of this club nuh.

You have somewhat of a goalkeeping crisis at the club. You identify Mark Schwarzer as the solution. You offer 2 million pounds, and that get rejected because Fulham want 3 million. You come back and bargaining hard, with the same 2 million pound offer... Meanwhile yuh keeper

Yuh mean to say allyuh sooo cheap allyuh cant spend ah extra mil? Schwarzer will be worth at least an extra 10 points in the season, he will easily repay his investment once fit.

For all the tears about finances, Arsenal are in a much better position than most clubs in the Premier League debtwise.. And they would NEVER be able to maintain their cheapness if Wenger was not so great at grooming players and consistently turning a profit for them.

Nah, this side not serious about winning.

He have meh lil frustrated about that as welll   ???

the logic seemed to be that hughes (or the new management) would value schwarzer less than the old management and accept the 2 million.

either way, it's not just about spending more than 2 million - it's about value for money. clearly the club/wenger think that schwarzer's valuation is somewhere around that figure given his age. my guess is that if they really want him they would go back for him before sept 1 with an improved bid. but until then they'll prob see if they can get better value for money somewhere else.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on August 28, 2010, 01:37:23 PM
This eh no new injury, VanP came into the game with a doddgy ankle. He has always been injury prone, can't ever remember him playing a full season.
giggsy11 yuh real bias we, ent Ferdinand, Hargraves and Anderson out. All with knee injury  :devil:

   Observer, I find is you who real bias!!  Ent ferdinand, hargreaves and anderson does have to practice with/against paul scholes?!  Dey must have injuries....me eh know what you pickin' on giggsy for...:devil:

lol scholesy? the cleanest lil general I ever see tackle ? what you talking about? lol
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on August 28, 2010, 01:49:21 PM
I liked what I saw in a tough game the new defender got bundled off the ball but the man who scored was Clichy's man and inevitably he lost his man .... dunno what to say bout that boy!
Walcott's goal was a stunner, Van Persie needs to hit the gym he is too weak, Song looked good his passing has improved by leaps and bounds but umm his hairstyle hasn't   ;D.
we still need a keeper but Almunia did well today... if he can keep his head a lil he could do a job.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on August 28, 2010, 03:17:51 PM
I liked what I saw in a tough game the new defender got bundled off the ball but the man who scored was Clichy's man and inevitably he lost his man .... dunno what to say bout that boy!
Walcott's goal was a stunner, Van Persie needs to hit the gym he is too weak, Song looked good his passing has improved by leaps and bounds but umm his hairstyle hasn't   ;D.
we still need a keeper but Almunia did well today... if he can keep his head a lil he could do a job.

You eh give Sagna no props Ngozi. he was outstanding today. Koscieniny should of rest he shoulder into the man, at worst it would have been a foul outside the box
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on August 28, 2010, 03:37:02 PM
 My bad observer I actually doh give Sagna enough props i think he and vermalen are the two best defenders in the club ... there was a play when he controlled backline for an offside play...outstanding shit......clichy is a disaster waiting to happen ... speed fitness n no brain like a young cyd gray cept less aggressive lol

Koscieniny shoulda wet him but i figured he held back since he was now coming back from suspension probably didnt wanna risk another dangerous play so call it a learning curve for him...... but one on ones like that he have to win because if that was drogba if you eh put yuh back into it he goh leave him for dead too so he need to figure it out quickly.

fadda i watching walcott finish again lol me eh see a clinical piece of finishing like that in a long time! :beermug: :beermug:
Title: An important question concerning Fabregas
Post by: Ngozi on August 29, 2010, 07:58:46 AM
In terms of creativity who do you think is better Fabregas or Rosicky?
Rosicky has been injured for so long that I kinda forgot just ho talented he is those last few games he gave me a sharp reminder .... i'm  fabregas fan but for some reason i get the impression that rosicky sees the plays better than he does it's like he sees it before he does and looks like he always have more time on the ball am i right ? Between arshavin , rosicky , fabregas and Van persie and maybe even nasri and wilshire  you have players of immense vision and intelligence   direct refection of their manager.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 30, 2010, 07:45:46 AM
Obviously Arsene9 and dem doh practise tackling. Van Persie hurt himself like a imps!

yuh never hear the saying "tackled like a forward"? yuh imps
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 30, 2010, 07:46:50 AM
This eh no new injury, VanP came into the game with a doddgy ankle. He has always been injury prone, can't ever remember him playing a full season.
giggsy11 yuh real bias we, ent Ferdinand, Hargraves and Anderson out. All with knee injury  :devil:

ent? dat kettle real black boy
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on August 30, 2010, 09:45:29 AM
Obviously Arsene9 and dem doh practise tackling. Van Persie hurt himself like a imps!

yuh never hear the saying "tackled like a forward"? yuh imps

Yuh stressin already Gunner? He may have tackled like a forward but it lead to him hurting himself, which makes him an imps!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 01, 2010, 07:44:47 AM
well we kept cesc

trimmed the fat from defense and brought in two solid signings

but we failed to get a reliable keeper

so confident keeper, no silverware

not going to let myself down

they do look better than they did last few seasons but we still already conceded more goals than chelsea and manu

ah well 35 more league games to go

umpteen more champs league

how many league cup with the reserves and youth team starting at spurs

and how ever far we get in fa cup (wenger doh study them cups until they get far)

he wants league or champs but i say get us any silverware and the team will be hungry for more
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 07, 2010, 05:41:19 PM
brilliant!

now rvp out til oct

AND

walcott, playing for england today left the feild on a stretcher!

worst arsenal year yet? esp with spurs looking stronger than city
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on September 07, 2010, 09:37:52 PM
Capello hails Rooney after Swiss win
September 08, 2010

Fabio Capello heaped praise on Wayne Rooney after the striker ended a week of speculation about his private life by scoring the opening goal in England’s 3-1 victory over Switzerland.

There were serious questions being asked in England as to whether Rooney would be in the right frame of mind to play in the Euro 2012 qualifier after revelations he cheated on wife Coleen by sleeping with a prostitute.

But manager Capello stuck by his man and was rewarded as Rooney scored for the first time in almost a year for England, guiding them to a crucial victory in Group G.

"The pressure was on Rooney, but he played very well. He was always at the centre of our play and movement," Capello said.

"He was okay and it helped scoring the goal, too. I told you yesterday that he had been okay in training. I'd seen that. Now he plays an official game really well. The players want to play without other things on their minds.

"They can focus on the game alone. He did that today. He was really happy at the end, as were the other players at the end. The result was really important."

Substitutes Adam Johnson and Darren Bent also scored and Capello believes he has now found the right position for Rooney following a disappointing World Cup.

The Manchester United man took up a deep role behind Jermain Defoe, just as he did last week when he set up all four goals in a 4-0 victory over Bulgaria.

"He played in a position that he played against Bulgaria, in the hole, and the other two midfielders helped him a lot when the Swiss had the goal," said Capello. "This position is good for him. It’s easy for him to get into positions to shoot at goal.

Capello was also delighted at the performance of the untested centre-back combination which paird Joleon Lescott and Phil Jagielka.

"They had played together for many years at Everton and I spoke with them before the game, and the confidence and understanding between then was really high," Capello said.

Capello was understandably delighted with a victory that leaves England top of Group G with six points from two games.

And although they suffered injury concerns, with Arsenal's Theo Walcott and Tottenham’s Jermain Defoe both being carried off on a stretcher, the signs for both players are good.

"I just spoke with Theo. He tells me it’s not such a big problem. I said: 'Two weeks?' He told me less. Defoe was a little thing," he said.

X-Rays have already shown there are no broken bones in Walcott’s ankle while Defoe has been allowed to fly home and will have a scan on his ankle tomorrow.

Ironically the injuries actually helped England because Walcott’s replacement Adam Johnson was hugely impressive and scored his country's second goal - while Defoe was lying injured in the centre circle.

Then Darren Bent, who eventually replaced Defoe, came on to score the third.

The performance will raise questions as to why England were so poor in South Africa given their impressive record in qualifiers. But Capello was quick to find an explanation.

"You know my answer. We are really good in this period because we are fresh. All the players can run, their minds are free. Everything they try to do comes off," he said.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 08, 2010, 07:41:41 AM
^^^^^^
yeah they said that about rvp too
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 10, 2010, 04:14:44 PM
great another injured player

vermaelen out now
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Peong on September 10, 2010, 05:37:44 PM
Arsenal players WEAK!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on September 11, 2010, 07:13:52 AM
Arsenal players WEAK!


ras is the same arsenal players does get injured over and over...rvp, walcott, rosicky

vermaelen went all last season so maybe too much football took its toll on his body.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on September 11, 2010, 08:50:25 AM
Lard! Arshavin eh play he was wasteful first half. Three clear chances! Fans must be saying "same old same old" Bolton two chances one goal.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on September 11, 2010, 09:00:36 AM
Lard! Arshavin eh play he was wasteful first half. Three clear chances! Fans must be saying "same old same old" Bolton two chances one goal.

Every time I see Arshavin making those breaks I wonder how it would have been if it was Walcott. Which is not something I would have thought a season ago. How things have changed ;D. But imagine how clear of the defense Walcott would be with his speed.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on September 11, 2010, 09:28:52 AM
De ref do real nonsense dey. Give a red card for no reason, pull back a clear goalscoring opportunity in the process. Well don ref! Everybody vex with you.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Peong on September 11, 2010, 09:32:25 AM
And Diaby comes off injured!!!!
Sorf like butter.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on September 11, 2010, 09:43:28 AM
Brilliant pass, brilliant finish. Bolton just hoping for the final whistle. 4-1 now
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on September 11, 2010, 10:13:59 AM
And Diaby comes off injured!!!!
Sorf like butter.

Disagree it was a bad tackle on Diaby when you watch the slow motion replay.

Question I felt the sending off was harsh, but my friend next to me said two things. "Tackle from behind" and then ask "was such a tackle necessary?"
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on September 12, 2010, 04:32:01 AM
This is why I like this arsenal team
Vela's goal vs Bolton 24 passes (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xes5u9_velapassesglvh2089_tech)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on September 12, 2010, 05:33:17 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/y5JOqwaJg2E
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Blue on September 12, 2010, 06:16:40 AM
This is why I like this arsenal team
Vela's goal vs Bolton 24 passes (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xes5u9_velapassesglvh2089_tech)


Overrated, most of de passes had nothing to do wid de goal...in fact de first 23 (but great pass by Fabregas to setup the goal).
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on September 12, 2010, 06:20:49 AM
Since when possessing the ball have nothing to do with the goal until the opportunity appears?
Like you playing on Latas team lol!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Blue on September 12, 2010, 06:26:44 AM
Since when possessing the ball have nothing to do with the goal until the opportunity appears?
Like you playing on Latas team lol!

Not to big up my own team, but constrast dat wid a Chelsea or even a Man U attacking move...5 or 6 incisive passes --> goal.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on September 12, 2010, 10:52:45 AM
Since when possessing the ball have nothing to do with the goal until the opportunity appears?
Like you playing on Latas team lol!

Not to big up my own team, but constrast dat wid a Chelsea or even a Man U attacking move...5 or 6 incisive passes --> goal.

I feel ya on that .... Arsenal is my team but my measuring stick is always how they stand up to Chelsea ... to the demons that is Drogba and Essien but I have a really good feeling this year ..... a really good one...... my main concern remains my goalie but the fact that he knew they wanted to remove him means his motivation to do better is shot through the roof ... I like our chances this year alot.

If you wanted an example of an incisive move and finishing I could always post Walcott's finish vs Blackburn 4 or 5 passes and a murderously clinical finish in the corner ..... lol go you gunners!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on September 13, 2010, 04:08:29 PM
A lil something bout one of my fav players at Arsenal

http://www.youtube.com/v/vYOLKZ2UvhY&
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Post by: GunnerStunner on September 13, 2010, 05:31:50 PM
And Diaby comes off injured!!!!
Sorf like butter.

Disagree it was a bad tackle on Diaby when you watch the slow motion replay.

Question I felt the sending off was harsh, but my friend next to me said two things. "Tackle from behind" and then ask "was such a tackle necessary?"

end point reff missed alot in that game

the song tackle on the edge before the tackle that led to the red card red card all day everyday (behind and studs up with the player going no where)

the fact that the reff blew when he should have played advantage with arshavin clear and free

the robinson high studs up missed ball desperate tackle, that lead to our sub being subbed (i hear wenger now, they should loose a substitution when they cause us to lose one)

and davies late headbutt on koscienly yet we soldiered on endured the kicking and brusiing and dissed it out as well (gibbs) but we were solid bar koscienly failed header to eboue that lead to bolton goal

given arshavin throw aways we converted 4 of what seemed like a dozen or more clear chances to score

i like what i see, and i like the direction we are heading

dispite the injury room constantly being full

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Post by: Ngozi on September 14, 2010, 07:51:30 AM
Yeah i definitely like where we heading ......in terms of chelsea ... my concern is the brothas in chelsea team... them men doh take beat easy and apart from being physical they also technical but..... man u prove they can be beat so to me that is the true test for this team ... cuz last year they rip we bad.
Now is time for payback!
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Post by: GunnerStunner on September 15, 2010, 06:15:21 PM
6-0 nice good start
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Post by: Ngozi on September 16, 2010, 01:07:35 AM
YEAH it's a good start but we know better than to get carried away by that result  ..... just liking the chemistry lots of competition for spots in the midfield, forward and also the defense ... I'm loving it ... if this team do what we hope it will Fabregas may stay.
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Post by: elan on September 18, 2010, 11:22:09 AM
What happen to the Skipper  ???
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Post by: elan on September 18, 2010, 12:16:10 PM
Arsenal eh look good this morning at all.
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Post by: elan on September 18, 2010, 12:16:56 PM
Chamakh eh good at all....very disappointed with him.
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Post by: Bakes on September 18, 2010, 12:23:19 PM
Poison... Bent with the last-second equalizer.
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Post by: elan on September 18, 2010, 12:24:05 PM
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_yhximfwv13U/ShwnkvTkpWI/AAAAAAAAAx8/2ZDBylioBG4/s400/DSC_0372.JPG)
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Post by: Mango Chow! on September 18, 2010, 01:13:28 PM
Dem ferdinand brothers seem to have a penchant for "conceding" or being involved in some jumbie goals against their own sides, boy.  Bush bath!! 
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Post by: GunnerStunner on September 18, 2010, 01:31:04 PM
we looked for that!

no excuses!

rosicky yuh let us down badly!

i vex cesc injured himself with that fluke goal

and arshavin was sacrificed because of songs stupidity

no excuses about reff giving too much extra time we fluffed it
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Post by: Ngozi on September 18, 2010, 01:45:41 PM
Arsenal was leading 1-0 and then get a penalty and fluffed it ... this was a fair result Sunderland earned it!
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Post by: fari on September 18, 2010, 02:08:17 PM
Arsenal was leading 1-0 and then get a penalty and fluffed it ... this was a fair result Sunderland earned it!

rosicky let me down with that one but say what...sunderland fight de game and deserved something, cyah be mad at that...but other than de missed penalty rosicky, nasri, denilson reall knock some traingles to keep sunderland at bay boy.   
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Post by: Ngozi on September 18, 2010, 04:24:49 PM
Last season arsenal would have lost a game like this..... seeing decent signs of maturity.
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Post by: elan on September 20, 2010, 10:03:02 PM
ARSENAL NEWS
Wenger hit with misconduct charge
By ESPNsoccernet staff


Arsene Wenger has been hit with a Football Association charge for his actions at the end of Arsenal's draw with Sunderland at the weekend.

Wenger's Gunners were pegged back by a last-gasp Darren Bent goal at the Stadium of Light, with the Frenchman frustrated that the striker's equaliser came 15 seconds after the allotted four minutes of added time had elapsed.

The Arsenal boss remonstrated with match officials and appeared to prod the fourth official, Martin Atkinson, in the back. The FA has taken a dim view of his actions.

A statement from the FA read: "Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger has been charged with using insulting and/or abusive language and behaviour amounting to improper conduct. The charges relate to Wenger's conduct towards match officials at the conclusion of Arsenal's match against Sunderland on 18 September.

"Under The FA's new fast-track procedures, Wenger has until Thursday 23 September to respond to the charge and he has been offered a standard sanction of a one-match touchline ban and an £8,000 fine should he accept the charge. If he denies the charge, the case will be heard by a Regulatory Commission."

Wenger could not see why any additional time should have been played beyond the allotted added time.

Speaking after the match, refereed by Phil Dowd who sent of Gunners midfielder Alex Song for two yellow cards, the Arsenal manager lamented: "It was outside the four minutes. I know the referee can give more than four, it's a minimum of four minutes, but in the four minutes nothing happened to justify the extension of the time. But I cannot do anything about that."

Asked about a suggestion he had put his hands on Atkinson, Wenger replied: "Take the pictures and look at it. I complain to nobody, especially not to you."

Last season, Wenger received an apology from referees chief Keith Hackett over his dismissal during the Gunners' 2-1 loss to Manchester United during August 2009.

Wenger was sent to the stands by referee Mike Dean in the dying moments at Old Trafford on the advice of fourth official Lee Probert after the Arsenal manager kicked a water bottle following a disallowed goal which would have been a last-minute equaliser.

After his sending off, Wenger was unaware of where to go and firstly moved to the Arsenal dugout, then the main stand before being ushered along the touchline to the tunnel.
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Post by: Observer on September 21, 2010, 01:55:28 PM
Chamakh eh good at all....very disappointed with him.

Wow! I guess there is no time for him to settle into a new country, style of play, new club etc. Reminds me of the Adebayor dont belong in the EPL thread.
Man play 9 games for Arsenal and have 6 goals and man already disappointed. .
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Post by: dwn on September 21, 2010, 05:27:12 PM
Chamakh eh good at all....very disappointed with him.

Nah man, he good. Give me some reference point. Who level you would put him on?
Something like ... he not as good as ___________, but he better than ______________.
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Post by: Touches on September 21, 2010, 06:26:41 PM
Gibbs out with a metatarsal...dis side too flicking paipsey.

Is a player a game.

We cyar last till christmas
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Post by: grimm01 on September 21, 2010, 06:46:30 PM
Gibbs out with a metatarsal...dis side too flicking paipsey.

Is a player a game.

We cyar last till christmas

they might need to take a closer look at the type of training they using. the whole squad cyah be made of glass...
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Post by: elan on September 21, 2010, 07:59:49 PM
Chamakh eh good at all....very disappointed with him.

Wow! I guess there is no time for him to settle into a new country, style of play, new club etc. Reminds me of the Adebayor dont belong in the EPL thread.
Man play 9 games for Arsenal and have 6 goals and man already disappointed. .


Sorry sorry....In that game.
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Post by: Ngozi on September 22, 2010, 12:21:47 PM
Any news on Gibbs is it a broken metatarsal?
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Post by: dumpalewie on September 22, 2010, 01:32:38 PM
Any news on Gibbs is a a broken metatarsal?

Not broken. Just a foot contusion. Short term injury.

Important because I think he may shortly displace spastic Clichy.
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Post by: GunnerStunner on September 22, 2010, 05:43:05 PM
spurs full of shit yes

happy harry redknapp say they lost cus they was tired, what a load of bs

he buy up one set of players in summer boy the man greasy and slick yes
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Post by: Bally on September 23, 2010, 07:14:04 PM
Gunners set to announce record profits
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The Gunners are due to announce new record profits - and that they have paid off all the debts on their Highbury Square development six months early. That means the club can expect a £30million windfall from selling off around 90 apartments, while the cost of paying off the Emirates Stadium development is comfortably covered by income. The rosy financial picture for the year up to June 2010 will please some fans but may leave others asking why manager Arsene Wenger has been reluctant to strengthen his team with more established stars, particularly among his goalkeepers. A year ago, Arsenal announced pre-tax profits had risen 24% to £45.5million. Another increase for the year ending June 2010 is expected courtesy of property sales and around a £4million rise in Premier League income to £51.7million and a similar increase in Champions League income to £27.3million. It is the paying off of the Highbury Square loans that will have delighted the Arsenal hierarchy most however. They were initially forced to extend the bank repayment deadline of April this year to December after the property slump first hit. Since then the development has prospered and the debt - which once totalled £133million - has now been repaid in full. That means Arsenal's only debt outstanding is for the Emirates Stadium, which is around the £220-£230million mark costing around £16million a year in interest and to be paid off by 2031.
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Post by: GunnerStunner on September 24, 2010, 07:47:47 AM
we're rich beeeeatch!


 :rotfl:
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Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on September 24, 2010, 07:54:19 AM
Cah lie ah really admire the astute financial responsibility and management that goes on at Arsenal.  Good stuff, too bad it doh bring een any trophies doh.  Hope allyuh could at least hoist ah lil Carlin Cup fuh allyuh troubles.
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Post by: kicker on September 24, 2010, 08:07:35 AM
Cah lie ah really admire the astute financial responsibility and management that goes on at Arsenal.  Good stuff, too bad it doh bring een any trophies doh.  Hope allyuh could at least hoist ah lil Carlin Cup fuh allyuh troubles.

lol...

someone say patronizing?
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Post by: dinho on September 24, 2010, 11:13:49 AM
Cah lie ah really admire the astute financial responsibility and management that goes on at Arsenal.  Good stuff, too bad it doh bring een any trophies doh.  Hope allyuh could at least hoist ah lil Carlin Cup fuh allyuh troubles.

Lol..

Like i does tell men.. Arsenal not really interested in winning the league, they interested in lining pockets.

If they had spend some paper and get Yaya, a good central defender and Schwarzer or Given they would run away with the EPL title.
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Post by: Ngozi on September 24, 2010, 01:54:54 PM
Cah lie ah really admire the astute financial responsibility and management that goes on at Arsenal.  Good stuff, too bad it doh bring een any trophies doh.  Hope allyuh could at least hoist ah lil Carlin Cup fuh allyuh troubles.

Lol..

Like i does tell men.. Arsenal not really interested in winning the league, they interested in lining pockets.

If they had spend some paper and get Yaya, a good central defender and Schwarzer or Given they would run away with the EPL title.

Umm you sure we not going to win the title this year?
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Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on September 24, 2010, 02:28:27 PM
Cah lie ah really admire the astute financial responsibility and management that goes on at Arsenal.  Good stuff, too bad it doh bring een any trophies doh.  Hope allyuh could at least hoist ah lil Carlin Cup fuh allyuh troubles.

Lol..

Like i does tell men.. Arsenal not really interested in winning the league, they interested in lining pockets.

If they had spend some paper and get Yaya, a good central defender and Schwarzer or Given they would run away with the EPL title.

Umm you sure we not going to win the title this year?

wid da fragile squad?!!  Yeah allyuh sweepin to ah trebble!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on September 24, 2010, 03:03:47 PM
So when the big guns come back what does that say about the teams depth? .... the game against Chelsea will tell alot ... I cyah wait
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 27, 2010, 08:00:58 AM
Cah lie ah really admire the astute financial responsibility and management that goes on at Arsenal.  Good stuff, too bad it doh bring een any trophies doh.  Hope allyuh could at least hoist ah lil Carlin Cup fuh allyuh troubles.

lol...

someone say patronizing?

ent its like them rednecks that win lotto then play acting like they have class and history lol
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 27, 2010, 08:02:54 AM
So when the big guns come back what does that say about the teams depth? .... the game against Chelsea will tell alot ... I cyah wait

forget chelski the next game is partizan belgrade in champs league and we have almunia "injured" so watch out for flapianski
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Post by: Touches on September 27, 2010, 08:31:23 AM
This side so frustrating at times eh.

We woulda be 1 point from the top.

Gone and play d arse.


Lets hope we can recover from this setback quickly....3 points in all competitions in every game from henceforth.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on September 27, 2010, 09:09:42 AM
Boy my partnahs gimme so much talk this weekend  ....shit .... this team took a day off it easy for us to say Almunia screwed up which he did.... but what about the rest of the team .... Sagna get skinned by that guy for the first goal...... clichy well as always he maintains his inconsistent season and the midfield didn't show up ...... chammak looked tired and eboue well he is eboue.

Time for rotation if Gibbs is fit rotate him in in place of Clichy and Vermalean is due back as well so Koshelsky could get a bit of a rest bring in Denilson in the mid and give song a rest .... rest Diaby again and bring in Wilshire  again and push Rosicky up top maybe on the left side and let Arshavin get some love on the right instead of the left.

I would also rest Chammakk and let this youth JET get a start in front of Vela because of his size ..... he's a big one and possesses that big body option.

We have two poor keepers so could we do any worse than promoting the other two keepers they deserve a chance ... and this is a good blooding opportunity.

I still feel we'll be ok and I feel that Given is being considered I just feel Wenger keeping his cards close to his chest .... besides he has to support his keeper ......how can he criticize his players in public? ... what would that do to team morale?

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on September 27, 2010, 11:13:04 AM
website was down this weekend so didnt get a chance to drop by, but here is my belated  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: .

This side really not serious.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on September 27, 2010, 12:53:01 PM
Worst performance from Arsenal I have seen in a long time. they were poor. Nasri was boss and should be  :applause: not only for his quality, but never say die performance. Seriously, Arsenal cannot compete without a World Class Goalkeeper. Vela gives nothing off the bench unless Arsenal on top and with Eboue a wide player who does not score and deliver quality crosses, I cannot see them winning games on the edge like Saturday's game.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: xixgon on September 27, 2010, 04:40:00 PM
Boy my partnahs gimme so much talk this weekend  ....shit .... this team took a day off it easy for us to say Almunia screwed up which he did.... but what about the rest of the team .... Sagna get skinned by that guy for the first goal...... clichy well as always he maintains his inconsistent season and the midfield didn't show up ...... chammak looked tired and eboue well he is eboue.

Time for rotation if Gibbs is fit rotate him in in place of Clichy and Vermalean is due back as well so Koshelsky could get a bit of a rest bring in Denilson in the mid and give song a rest .... rest Diaby again and bring in Wilshire  again and push Rosicky up top maybe on the left side and let Arshavin get some love on the right instead of the left.

I would also rest Chammakk and let this youth JET get a start in front of Vela because of his size ..... he's a big one and possesses that big body option.

We have two poor keepers so could we do any worse than promoting the other two keepers they deserve a chance ... and this is a good blooding opportunity.

I still feel we'll be ok and I feel that Given is being considered I just feel Wenger keeping his cards close to his chest .... besides he has to support his keeper ......how can he criticize his players in public? ... what would that do to team morale?



Isn't going after Swartzer tacitly criticizing Almunia? He's basically saying he's not good enough - and if you pursue a player so publicly you better get him otherwise u risk dealing a blow to the current player's confidence; and Almunia doh need no further help in da department right now na.

I eh too sure why Arsenal keep goin after these short-term/cut price options at Goalkeeper either - Swartzer is ok, good on his day - but the man is 37 and has already been suspect this season. I think when Arsenal actually goes after proven talent in key positions then maybe they could start fillin the trophy cabinet again yes.

You doh hadda pay exorbitant fees and wages for men like Yaya - but they really are a star striker, midfield enforcer/destroyer, GK and solid defensive depth away from contending on all fronts again.
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Post by: GunnerStunner on September 28, 2010, 07:02:36 PM
a win by anymeans

1-3 today was good

hope we win again on sunday
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Post by: dinho on September 28, 2010, 07:13:54 PM
a win by anymeans

1-3 today was good

hope we win again on sunday


Yeah you keep hope alive buddy... lol
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on September 30, 2010, 09:50:56 AM
I vote we  kidnap Drogba now!

 CHELSEA V ARSENAL
Drogba relishing clash with 'favourite club' Arsenal
By ESPNsoccernet staff

September 30, 2010
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 Chelsea striker Didier Drogba says that he can't wait to play against Arsenal this weekend, not because he has such a good record against the Gunners, but because they are one of his favourite teams.


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Didier Drogba has netted 12 goals in 12 games against Arsenal

Drogba has scored 12 goals in 12 games against Arsene Wenger's side since joining Chelsea in 2004 and the Blues face their London rivals again on Sunday in one of the biggest clashes of the Premier League season.

Ahead of the game, Drogba has spoken of his admiration for Arsenal, but will not be going easy on the Gunners once the game starts.

"I love playing big games and I love playing against Arsenal, " Drogba told Sky Sports News. ''I always say that Arsenal is one of my favourite teams.

"When I was playing in France, Arsenal was an example for us because there were all these French players who used to play in the French league and went abroad to play for Arsenal with a French manager. So to play against them for me means a lot."

Both sides lost their last Premier League games, against Manchester City and West Brom respectively, and Drogba has underlined the importance of the fixture.

"I don't think we can afford to lose a second game, especially against Arsenal," he said. ''People have to know, and we know, that we're going to lose some games this season. But again, it's always good to win, it's always better to win.''

Drogba admits he was surprised to make an early exit from the defeat against City, after he was substituted with 15 minutes to go, however, the striker insists he respects manager Carlo Ancelotti's decision.

"I was surprised because I didn't expect that at that moment of the game," he added. ''But the managers always decide and I think he had some reasons and I understand them."

• Carlo Ancelotti will attend Chelsea's match against Arsenal at Stamford Bridge on Sunday despite the death of his father Giuseppe.

Giuseppe passed away in Italy on Wednesday night aged 87 with his son at his side. The funeral will take place on Saturday.

"Everyone at Chelsea sends our deepest condolences to Carlo and his family. They are all in our thoughts at this time,'' read a statement on the club's official website.

Assistant manager Ray Wilkins will take tomorrow's press conference in Ancelotti's absence.


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Post by: Bitter on October 03, 2010, 09:27:31 AM
This game is relentless pace.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sweetiepaper on October 03, 2010, 09:34:19 AM
Any live stream links?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on October 03, 2010, 09:40:02 AM
Any live stream links?

bookmark these 2 sites...

http://atdhe.net/

http://www.myp2p.eu/
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on October 03, 2010, 09:42:21 AM
Same old Arsenal
Same old Drogba
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on October 03, 2010, 11:17:41 AM
Why was this game being discussed in here lol.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on October 03, 2010, 11:54:25 AM
vex, vex vex arsenal lost...not like if if chelsea played that much better, arsenal had a few chances to even it at 1-1.   i'm still optimistic but any more defeats or points dropped and this title race will be over very, very soon.  chelsea seem to be the class of the league this season.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Blue on October 03, 2010, 12:41:29 PM
vex, vex vex arsenal lost...not like if if chelsea played that much better, arsenal had a few chances to even it at 1-1.   i'm still optimistic but any more defeats or points dropped and this title race will be over very, very soon.  chelsea seem to be the class of the league this season.

We are beatable...I would put Man City and Man Utd (when Rooney is on form) in our class....but not Arsenal.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on October 04, 2010, 07:32:00 AM
i vex too

arshavin n koscielny woulda had stamford reeling in the first minute!

drogba just silly know the man not even trying real technique he just putting some part of his body and the ball going in, his goal look like a training ground fluke where the coach say if you doh touch the ball in the box when it cross i dropping you fuh d next 3 games!

alex free kick
hmmm all credit to him
none to the arsenal defence and arshavin that let malouda in the wall wtf????? he just roll behind the wall and whoopsy daisy they 2-nil n game dead

i feel we two cb were shell shocked by chelski speed n size arsenal always on a f**king learning curve
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on October 04, 2010, 09:48:13 AM
the main difference between the two teams to me was the finishing, not the defending. for all that could be said about koscielny and squillaci's lapses, chelsea didn't defend that great either. arsenal just didn't punish their mistakes.
 
1. when chamakh flicked his header wide in the first few seconds, that wasn't good defending.
2. koscielny mistiming a jump and heading over from the six yard box - that was poor finishing more than it was good defending. 
3. drogba's goal was a great finish more than it was bad defending.
4. chamakh taking an extra touch and letting ramires get that tackle in - that was more bad finishing, than it was good defending.

... and the list can go on. to me is just that you tend to remember defensive lapses more when they're punished. (which is why people not focusing on fabianski's flap/punch in the first half that)

at the end of the day football is the business of scoring goals and arsenal couldn't and chelsea could.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on October 04, 2010, 09:49:54 AM
on another note, i find song is trying to get forward too much this season.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Touches on October 04, 2010, 10:06:36 AM
Chamak coulda score about 3.

Dis kinda mess they like to do....walking the ball into the goal hadda stop.

Leggo bullet from outside and scramble in the rebound.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Touches on October 04, 2010, 10:21:34 AM

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Drogba cost £24million from Marseille  and is now the finished product; Chamakh cost nothing and has potential. Football is much more than just about money but it is hard not to feel that these two players, the finances involved in their respective deals and their relative experience, represent an accurate approximation of why Arsenal keep falling short.


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Whatever your perspective on how large the gap between Chelsea and Arsenal is at present, the latest adjustment to such analysis was most starkly defined by strikers on show at Stamford Bridge.

Both Didier Drogba and Maroaune Chamakh were below par but for differing reasons. The former is still struggling with fitness after starting the season with a groin injury, while the latter is feeling the effects of being thrown straight in at the business end in the absence of Robin van Persie.

Yet, Drogba extended his staggering record against the Gunners to 13 goals in 11 matches with a stunningly improvised finish from the only clear- cut chance he had, while Chamakh promised much only to fluff his lines before fading into anonymity.

Arsenal produced a display in which they pinned the champions back for extended periods but only to result in insufficient penetration and ultimately they were picked off by their more savvy opponents.

The obvious caveat here is that the Gunners were deprived of their focal point in Van Persie; a player who made a difference with a brace that earned an unlikely victory on this ground in 2008. But that, in turn, raises the wider issue of injuries undermining Arsenal's season yet again and the deja vu around the club could become corrosive.

The Gunners played badly and lost against Chelsea twice last season and although the performance was a marked improvement — notably bereft of the preferred spine of the side in Manuel Almunia, Thomas Vermaelen, Cesc Fabregas and Van Persie — the end result is the same.

Wenger believed his side conceded the title far too early two years ago as early defeats damaged morale and with trips to Manchester City, Everton and Aston Villa to come before December, a repeat is a major concern.

Where Chamakh faltered, Drogba prevailed and so the game was done.

“Their strikers were more clinical than ours and that made the difference because apart from that I believe Chelsea suffered a lot,” said Wenger.
“They were on the ropes for long periods in the game. We missed too many chances and in the final third you need to be more clinical offensively and defensively. We had a great team performance and great energy.

“You could see that Chelsea finished with cramps because they had to run a lot, so I give credit to my team. But we have to be more clinical to win titles — we can't lose a game like that.”

But they did. Again. This is, of course, not to lay the blame solely on Chamakh's shoulders — he has adapted impressively since his free summer transfer from Bordeaux — but his profligacy was indicative of a lack of ruthlessness that continues to separate Arsenal from Chelsea and Manchester United. Wenger complained about the failure to award his team a free-kick in the build-up to Drogba's opening goal but should have been more focused on Chamakh's decision to bottle a tackle with Ramires moments later.

The Brazilian consequently picked the ball up, exchanged passes and slid a delicious pass for Ashley Cole, who squared it for Drogba to flick the ball in off a post. Arsenal had looked impressive in possession and perhaps the more likely to score yet Chelsea delivered the hammer blow. Sound familiar?

From that point on, Chelsea boss Carlo Ancelotti, who coped admirably with the death of his father last week, adopted a game plan that allowed the Gunners territorial advantage in an effort to draw them in and hit on the break. One such foray resulted in Nicolas Anelka, who earlier missed a glorious chance to kill the game as Sebastien Squillaci gifted possession to the Frenchman, being hauled down by Laurent Koscielny 25 yards outside the box.

Alex stepped up to drill an unstoppable free-kick through a gap in the wall created by Florent Malouda's movement. “For us to beat them is always a delight, it's not always pleasant to look at but it was effective and I thought the lads were terrific,” said Chelsea assistant coach Ray Wilkins.

“Sometimes when you're playing this wonderful game of ours you can't always do what you want to do. You have to fight and scrap and I think we have that quality to do so.”

For Chelsea this was an affirmation that their resilience remains intact after defeat to Manchester City and the four-point gap heading into an international break will restore much of the confidence lost at Eastlands.

Arsenal have been here before. There were positives — Jack Wilshere excelled once again while Lukasz Fabianski was largely assured — but a seven-point deficit in October is ominous.
However much Wenger denies it, Arsenal fans feel that deja vu by the bucket load. “That is what people will say but I don't feel that,” he said. “I feel the two teams are really close.”

Drogba cost £24million from Marseille and is now the finished product; Chamakh cost nothing and has potential. Football is much more than just about money but it is hard not to feel that these two players, the finances involved in their respective deals and their relative experience, represent an accurate approximation of why Arsenal keep falling short.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on October 04, 2010, 12:21:10 PM
on another note, i find song is trying to get forward too much this season.

But this is not just this season this is the same thing we was arguing in the Obi Mikel/Song debate. Arsenal have way too many ballers and attacking players for Song to be far up in the sauce beatsing men and getting involved in the approach play when he should be sitting back and playing a role. Its because of that Arsenal were getting continuously caught on the break.

But to be fair, this is likely more Wenger's fault than it is his.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on October 04, 2010, 12:33:11 PM
yaow.. allyuh dont get tired..

its the same script running in Chelsea v Arsenal games for about the last 3 years running..

Arsenal will have more of the ball, show more attacking initiative, look pretty with some intricate touches and play. Will probably test Cech a few times and get a few chances which they will not take.

Then Drogba will score.

Then they will regroup, start pressing again, have the upper hand, put Chelsea on the backfoot...

Then Chelsea will score again.

Then they will get frustrated as Chelsea can sit back more, they will take chances, the game will open up and Chelsea will have opportunities to score even more on the counter attack.

Then at the end of the game, Wenger and the diehards will talk about how unlucky they are because they were the better side for long periods, they had chances they lapse defensively.


Its nothing to do with luck, its all tactical. Chelsea don't mind inviting Arsenal in their half, sitting and soaking up pressure because they know how vulnerable Arsenal are on the counter attack. Even if one of the chances, like Arshavin's, did go in then that doesn't mean things would turn out different. Chelsea would just adapt their tactics to press and push forward more.



8 months and a season later, what about this script has changed?

I can't lie, i have alot of respect for Arsenal and the kind of football they try to play and principles they try to stick to. But nothing to me suggests that their ambition is to win trophies in so much as it is to line pockets. And i find this disappointing to the competition. Spend some money to win titles allyuh cheap so and so, you will make it back in prize money and endorsements. If Wenger wasn't there to turn water into wine yuh wouldve had to spend anyway.

If the Arsenal board were to spend some money and buy Yaya, a good central defender and a good keeper they could easily run away with the EPL. Imagine the solution for a glaring weakness at central defence has been a weak Koscielney, an average Squillaci, old man Sol Campbell, shitong Silvestre and not-ready Senderos.

Just disappointing.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on October 04, 2010, 09:47:50 PM
on another note, i find song is trying to get forward too much this season.

But this is not just this season this is the same thing we was arguing in the Obi Mikel/Song debate. Arsenal have way too many ballers and attacking players for Song to be far up in the sauce beatsing men and getting involved in the approach play when he should be sitting back and playing a role. Its because of that Arsenal were getting continuously caught on the break.

But to be fair, this is likely more Wenger's fault than it is his.

I find I noticing it more this season. He's too eager to get forward. And he's also trying a lot more difficult passes when he should probably just hand off the ball to one of the more attacking midfielders. He/Wenger need to sort that out, cause you're right - it not helping the team on either end. 18 year old, Jack Wilshere, who is probably more skillful and creative, is playing more disciplined football than Song right now.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on October 05, 2010, 06:24:57 AM
Fellas we play a virtually full strength chelsea minus Lampard without the fastest player in the league who was in form Walcott, our starting striker Van Persie, our skipper and the teams best player Fabregas and our best defender Vermalean   ..... not too mention Ramsey and Bendtner .. who are both back this month most likely this is not a repeat of last season our team is developing depth like you cyah believe ..... I think we gonna be ok this is the learning curve ... lets suppose chelsea were without terry, drogba , lampard and malouda you don't think they would be affected too?

I think we thinking doom and gloom too early the injuries have shown the depth we have and when we get the guys back we will be ok!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Blue on October 05, 2010, 06:30:39 AM
Fellas we play a virtually full strength chelsea minus Lampard without the fastest player in the league who was in form Walcott, our starting striker Van Persie, our skipper and the teams best player Fabregas and our best defender Vermalean   ..... not too mention Ramsey and Bendtner .. who are both back this month most likely this is not a repeat of last season our team is developing depth like you cyah believe ..... I think we gonna be ok this is the learning curve ... lets suppose chelsea were without terry, drogba , lampard and malouda you don't think they would be affected too?

I think we thinking doom and gloom too early the injuries have shown the depth we have and when we get the guys back we will be ok!

1. Lampard is one of our best players and he would have been infinitely better than Ramires.

2. Fair enough, you had many injuries....but you will always have many injuries, your players are injury prone. There will never be a time when you aren't missing 2 or 3 key players, so get used to it. When is the last time you had a full side for more than a month? Contrast with Chelsea, where big names like Lampard and Terry are almost never injured. It isn't just luck, its part of a player's physical profile.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on October 05, 2010, 08:44:54 AM
Fellas we play a virtually full strength chelsea minus Lampard without the fastest player in the league who was in form Walcott, our starting striker Van Persie, our skipper and the teams best player Fabregas and our best defender Vermalean   ..... not too mention Ramsey and Bendtner .. who are both back this month most likely this is not a repeat of last season our team is developing depth like you cyah believe ..... I think we gonna be ok this is the learning curve ... lets suppose chelsea were without terry, drogba , lampard and malouda you don't think they would be affected too?

I think we thinking doom and gloom too early the injuries have shown the depth we have and when we get the guys back we will be ok!

I'm not thinking doom and gloom either. And to be honest, the Chelsea loss isn't that worrying for me. If Arsenal plays every game like that one they will beat most teams coming and going. It's games like West Brom that are really frustrating. So it's really the inconsistency in performance, and the consistent injuries that bother me.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on October 05, 2010, 08:46:59 AM
Yuh right, a different physical profile woulda help Diaby here...

(http://cdn0.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/614757/104681646_large_large.jpg)


The formula vs Arsenal:
1. Rough them up (which leads to the injury problems)
2. Park the bus -make them do something spectacular to score
3. Hit them on the counter.
4. ???
5. Profit!!

Compared to the last 3 games thought, this one was different. It wasn't a case of men vs boys, but of world class finishers finishing. You have to think that Van Persie, Fabregas, Vermaelen, and Walcott would have had some influence. (we will leave Almunia out of that talk)

It used to be that Big 4 teams would match up vs Arsenal and look to win blow for blow, but now they all just play the counter. Which shows a measure of respect for what Arsenal can do if you let them. This is a formula that Arsenal has to figure out how to overcome.

I also think that moving from Highbury to the Emirates worked against them. The smaller field at Highbury meant that they would not get stretched and you would have to face relentless pressure as they pinged it around you.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on October 05, 2010, 09:45:27 AM
Yuh right, a different physical profile woulda help Diaby here...

(http://cdn0.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/614757/104681646_large_large.jpg)

Come on nuh man bitter? That Essien tackle was a hard luck for Diaby, they both were reaching for the ball and Diaby foot reach first and get ketch under Essien. Could've easily have happened the other way around. Seems like yuh suggesting it was intentional.

The formula vs Arsenal:
1. Rough them up (which leads to the injury problems)
2. Park the bus -make them do something spectacular to score
3. Hit them on the counter.
4. ???
5. Profit!!

Compared to the last 3 games thought, this one was different. It wasn't a case of men vs boys, but of world class finishers finishing. You have to think that Van Persie, Fabregas, Vermaelen, and Walcott would have had some influence. (we will leave Almunia out of that talk)

It used to be that Big 4 teams would match up vs Arsenal and look to win blow for blow, but now they all just play the counter. Which shows a measure of respect for what Arsenal can do if you let them. This is a formula that Arsenal has to figure out how to overcome.

I also think that moving from Highbury to the Emirates worked against them. The smaller field at Highbury meant that they would not get stretched and you would have to face relentless pressure as they pinged it around you.

As for the counter-attacking observation, maybe there is something Wenger can learn from this. You see it as a measure of respect, i see it as teams recognizing the strengths of the opposition and adapting their game plan to suit. Wenger on the other hand want to come out and play the same pretty brand against any opposition and expect it to work. Imo, he kinda tactically inflexible and naive. Sometimes it makes sense to do the same and adapt to suit, if you know that Chelsea setting up to hit you on the counter then why would you continue to pour more men forward into the attack?

The one notable time when Wenger change his team's game to suit the opposition was against Man Utd a few years ago in the FA cup final, and it was ugly but they won.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on October 05, 2010, 10:47:08 AM
Not saying it was intentional, just saying that is not like them men does go down for ticky-tac fouls. Is some serious kick-down them men does get.

as for Wenger. I agree. He want to stand in the middle of the ring and fight toe-to-toe. Chelsea and Arsenal does bob, weave and counterpunch. At the end of the fight, he does say "that fella face real mash up, you ent see them skills?" and the other side does say, "yeah, but we knock you out in the 9th."
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on October 05, 2010, 11:05:33 AM
Yuh right, a different physical profile woulda help Diaby here...

(http://cdn0.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/614757/104681646_large_large.jpg)


The formula vs Arsenal:
1. Rough them up (which leads to the injury problems)
2. Park the bus -make them do something spectacular to score
3. Hit them on the counter.
4. ???
5. Profit!!

Compared to the last 3 games thought, this one was different. It wasn't a case of men vs boys, but of world class finishers finishing. You have to think that Van Persie, Fabregas, Vermaelen, and Walcott would have had some influence. (we will leave Almunia out of that talk)

It used to be that Big 4 teams would match up vs Arsenal and look to win blow for blow, but now they all just play the counter. Which shows a measure of respect for what Arsenal can do if you let them. This is a formula that Arsenal has to figure out how to overcome.

I also think that moving from Highbury to the Emirates worked against them. The smaller field at Highbury meant that they would not get stretched and you would have to face relentless pressure as they pinged it around you.

That make sense... Almunia definitely out of that talk lol.
In fairness though look at those two goals chelsea scored I mean really yuh simply have to give it up to chelsea but i really feel getting Vermalean back is a big plus and between me and you I think Clichy gonna be dislodged by Gibbs very soon ..... right now Walcott pace and finishing putting the fear of god in teams  and that would have restricted Coles game significantly and then of course there is Fab.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on October 16, 2010, 02:04:27 PM
nice one

again too many chances and build up play leading to nothing

and jack wilshire stupid tackle at the end, at least the lad admitted it was stupid and i am very glad the ref saw fit to book him exactly, now if only they would do that consistently

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: doc on October 19, 2010, 06:34:02 PM
Hail to the Arsenal,,, we are a selling club ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on October 19, 2010, 06:44:26 PM
ah yes 6 "arsenal" goals today

bring on city

too bad jack wont be playing it was nice to see him and cesc in the middle with song holding

and nasri and rosicky free to switch up with chamakh up front
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on October 23, 2010, 02:52:52 PM
oh shite ah fraid for tomorrow!

city have tevez ade ballotelli and silva all on form

not to mention johnson like a flicking goal seeking missile on the flanks

i feel unless we flood midfeild and check them there and leave it to the defense we will be murdered

my starting line up i hope to see is

            chamakh

rosiky cesc nasri walcott

               song

gibbs djrouru kosceilny sagna/eboue

              fabianski
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on October 24, 2010, 09:15:22 AM
If Fabregas going to call for man tuh geh send off then he need tuh watch his back. I say he will not finish the match! crix bones!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on October 24, 2010, 09:26:02 AM
Citeh must have 3 of the most out of shape players- the Toure brothers and boetang. Arse and legs for days!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on October 24, 2010, 10:32:56 AM
2-0 to the Arsenal

Song's golden toe
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on October 24, 2010, 10:52:51 AM
Friggin Bendtner
3-0
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on October 24, 2010, 04:56:45 PM
Citeh must have 3 of the most out of shape players- the Toure brothers and boetang. Arse and legs for days!

Watching the Europa that crossed my mind. I thought several of the players looked heavy.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on October 24, 2010, 05:09:32 PM
mancini definitely went with size against arsenal

even with 11 i feel arsenal woulda had them

again wenger waits too long to make changes

walcott needs to get more sweat

cesc penalty was saveable by any keeper

fabianski confidence growing with each game



bring on the magpies! i think

            bentner

walcott cesc rosicky randall
 
           denilson

gibbs djrouo koseilny eboue

            fabianski/schechzney


good win up to second, if it werent for that stupid performace to west brom sunderland and chelski we would be top
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on October 24, 2010, 06:11:54 PM
if it werent for that stupid performace to west brom sunderland and chelski we would be top

don't know what to say about that comment nah, lol
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on October 24, 2010, 08:34:29 PM
if it werent for that stupid performace to west brom sunderland and chelski we would be top

don't know what to say about that comment nah, lol

west brom we were a shambles

sunderland we gave away two points

and chelski well luck favoured the champions and we as usual didnt make our own luck

but yuh right enough coulda shoulda woulda

down to just get it effin done lads
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on October 25, 2010, 05:30:45 PM
Bendtner Jet Walcott
Rosicky Diaby Landsbury
Gibbs Djourou Koschelsky Ebouie
Scznesky
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on October 26, 2010, 10:51:39 AM
if it werent for that stupid performace to west brom sunderland and chelski we would be top

don't know what to say about that comment nah, lol

west brom we were a shambles

sunderland we gave away two points

and chelski well luck favoured the champions and we as usual didnt make our own luck

but yuh right enough coulda shoulda woulda

down to just get it effin done lads

don't get me wrong. i think the same thing yes - if only this, if only that ...
but when i first read it i just had to laugh

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on October 26, 2010, 06:22:41 PM
Bendtner Jet Walcott
Rosicky Diaby Landsbury
Gibbs Djourou Koschelsky Ebouie
Scznesky
[/quote

you just might be right but i think vela might get th enod before JET but i could be wrong what about eastmond?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on October 26, 2010, 07:19:59 PM
Bendtner Jet Walcott
Rosicky Diaby Landsbury
Gibbs Djourou Koschelsky Ebouie
Scznesky
[/quote

you just might be right but i think vela might get th enod before JET but i could be wrong what about eastmond?

Correct Vela will probably start but Lansbury scored vs Tottenham so I doh think Wenger would start Eastmond in front of him.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: D.H.W on October 26, 2010, 07:23:45 PM
Friggin Bendtner
3-0

everytime i see that name i does think bartender
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: JDB on October 27, 2010, 03:51:14 AM
Bendtner Jet Walcott
Rosicky Diaby Landsbury
Gibbs Djourou Koschelsky Ebouie
Scznesky

Yuh on point. Like Wenger finally wake up to the reality that a win is a win when it comes to trophies and yuh ent win none for years.

Arsène Wenger confirms Arsenal's kids-only Carling Cup policy is over (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/oct/26/arsene-wenger-arsenal-carling-cup)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on October 27, 2010, 07:29:52 AM
Bendtner Jet Walcott
Rosicky Diaby Landsbury
Gibbs Djourou Koschelsky Ebouie
Scznesky

Yuh on point. Like Wenger finally wake up to the reality that a win is a win when it comes to trophies and yuh ent win none for years.

Arsène Wenger confirms Arsenal's kids-only Carling Cup policy is over (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/oct/26/arsene-wenger-arsenal-carling-cup)


The truth is with all his players fit his second team is almost as strong as his first team imagine man like Rosicky on the bench and he fit!
This team going to be something special mark my words.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on October 27, 2010, 08:18:05 AM
Bendtner Jet Walcott
Rosicky Diaby Landsbury
Gibbs Djourou Koschelsky Ebouie
Scznesky

Yuh on point. Like Wenger finally wake up to the reality that a win is a win when it comes to trophies and yuh ent win none for years.

Arsène Wenger confirms Arsenal's kids-only Carling Cup policy is over (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/oct/26/arsene-wenger-arsenal-carling-cup)


The truth is with all his players fit his second team is almost as strong as his first team imagine man like Rosicky on the bench and he fit!
This team going to be something special mark my words.

Very good analysis! If you look at the squad list, not including injuries. You are right.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on October 27, 2010, 08:40:57 AM
Bendtner Jet Walcott
Rosicky Diaby Landsbury
Gibbs Djourou Koschelsky Ebouie
Scznesky

Yuh on point. Like Wenger finally wake up to the reality that a win is a win when it comes to trophies and yuh ent win none for years.

Arsène Wenger confirms Arsenal's kids-only Carling Cup policy is over (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/oct/26/arsene-wenger-arsenal-carling-cup)


The truth is with all his players fit his second team is almost as strong as his first team imagine man like Rosicky on the bench and he fit!
This team going to be something special mark my words.

Very good analysis! If you look at the squad list, not including injuries. You are right.

I don't know if the policy has changed so much. Wenger looks like he's still going to rest his main players.

When you think about it, players like JET, Vela, Gibbs, Lansbury, Sczcesny, Denilson, Wilshere, Ramsey, Eastmond, Walcott are the same "kids" that the headline is referring to. It's just that they're developing and Wenger has kept them at the club. The payoff is that the team now has a lot more depth.
Title: Wenger told to shut mouth
Post by: Bitter on October 27, 2010, 12:36:53 PM
Moxey slams Wenger over double standards

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=836500&sec=england&cc=5901
By ESPNsoccernet staff
October 27, 2010

 Wolverhampton Wanderers chief executive Jez Moxey has told Arsene Wenger to "keep your mouth shut" about tackling in the game.

Wenger has been a critic of tough tacking teams for years and Mick McCarthy's Wolves have developed a negative reputation this season. Newcastle's Joey Barton came in for special attention from Wolves while Karl Henry saw red after sending Wigan's Jordi Gomez flying earlier this month.

However, Moxey feels the Arsenal boss needs to look closer to home after Jack Wilshere was dismissed against Birmingham for a late challenge. And the young midfielder has been guilty of several mistimed challenges this season.

Moxey told BBC Radio 5Live: "It is an absolute nonsense. Well, I hope he hears this: keep your mouth shut. Play the game, play aggressive, let everybody play.

"Wilshere and your other players are going to make similar challenges.

"I had a big, wry smile listening to Arsene Wenger trying to defend Jack Wilshere for the challenge.

"All he said was exactly the same as every other manager has and yet he is one of the managers who goes on the front foot, moaning and complaining and bitching about it because it is unfair on his team."
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bourbon on October 27, 2010, 01:39:55 PM
Well...Wenger could say Wilshere was on loan to Bolton...dahs why.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on October 27, 2010, 06:13:53 PM
i vex gibbs went off injured today...that youth have touches and pace for days...i hope he not out for long
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on October 27, 2010, 06:26:17 PM
well like wenger pull a fast one, because only one starter, Eboue start. Average age 23

Hope Gibbs ok.
Title: Re: Wenger told to shut mouth
Post by: GunnerStunner on October 28, 2010, 09:16:08 AM
Moxey slams Wenger over double standards

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=836500&sec=england&cc=5901
By ESPNsoccernet staff
October 27, 2010

 Wolverhampton Wanderers chief executive Jez Moxey has told Arsene Wenger to "keep your mouth shut" about tackling in the game.

Wenger has been a critic of tough tacking teams for years and Mick McCarthy's Wolves have developed a negative reputation this season. Newcastle's Joey Barton came in for special attention from Wolves while Karl Henry saw red after sending Wigan's Jordi Gomez flying earlier this month.

However, Moxey feels the Arsenal boss needs to look closer to home after Jack Wilshere was dismissed against Birmingham for a late challenge. And the young midfielder has been guilty of several mistimed challenges this season.

Moxey told BBC Radio 5Live: "It is an absolute nonsense. Well, I hope he hears this: keep your mouth shut. Play the game, play aggressive, let everybody play.

"Wilshere and your other players are going to make similar challenges.

"I had a big, wry smile listening to Arsene Wenger trying to defend Jack Wilshere for the challenge.

"All he said was exactly the same as every other manager has and yet he is one of the managers who goes on the front foot, moaning and complaining and bitching about it because it is unfair on his team."


moxey is a low class british thug might have money but zero class, probably ignorant too as he failed to see wenger totally admitted wilshire sending off was right and the lad will learn from it
unlike men with way more years who play like that as part of thier game

i am sick of stupid ignorant ppl not listening to what wenger says but rather knee jerk reactions
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on October 28, 2010, 09:17:57 AM
havent watched the game

read the up dates will watch it later

lots of room for improvment but clean sheet and 4 goals (i dont care ho wthey come champions make the goals happen)

i like what i read especially walcott seems to be ripping again nice to hav ehim back lets see if west ham kick him up this weekend
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on October 28, 2010, 09:49:12 AM
I haven't seen much of this guy, but Szczesny looks like he could be the most assured goalkeeper Arsenal has.

Looked way more confident and commanding than Fabianski - who despite his recent performances, to me, just looks like a blunder waiting to happen  :-\
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: JDB on October 28, 2010, 10:33:11 AM
I haven't seen much of this guy, but Szczesny looks like he could be the most assured goalkeeper Arsenal has.

Looked way more confident and commanding than Fabianski - who despite his recent performances, to me, just looks like a blunder waiting to happen  :-\

Szczesny is usually quoted as the reason that Wneger is persisting with Almunia and Fabianski and was only looking for a short term option like Schwarzer. Wenger rates him highly and is waiting for him.

From all reports Fabianski is doing well these past few games though.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on October 28, 2010, 11:18:40 AM
I haven't seen much of this guy, but Szczesny looks like he could be the most assured goalkeeper Arsenal has.

Looked way more confident and commanding than Fabianski - who despite his recent performances, to me, just looks like a blunder waiting to happen  :-\

Szczesny is usually quoted as the reason that Wneger is persisting with Almunia and Fabianski and was only looking for a short term option like Schwarzer. Wenger rates him highly and is waiting for him.

From all reports Fabianski is doing well these past few games though.

I read that he is in the last year of his contract and is frustrated with not being able to play. I hope Wenger doesn't lose him.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on October 28, 2010, 06:41:32 PM
I haven't seen much of this guy, but Szczesny looks like he could be the most assured goalkeeper Arsenal has.

Looked way more confident and commanding than Fabianski - who despite his recent performances, to me, just looks like a blunder waiting to happen  :-\

Szczesny is usually quoted as the reason that Wneger is persisting with Almunia and Fabianski and was only looking for a short term option like Schwarzer. Wenger rates him highly and is waiting for him.

From all reports Fabianski is doing well these past few games though.

I read that he is in the last year of his contract and is frustrated with not being able to play. I hope Wenger doesn't lose him.

Nah he not going anywhere I think everyone at the club beginning to realize that this is the beginning of a special period ... and they all wanna be a part of it ..including Cesc  ;)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on October 30, 2010, 11:59:21 AM
well done today against aresolute hammers defense

chamakh unlucky not to get a penalty

walcott hit the post

but song finally secures all the points to stay within reach of chelski

side note wilshire ban is over

and we face wigan in the carling cup
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on November 02, 2010, 10:53:46 AM
cool video taken off of Fabregas twitter - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SorPhiHgSOI
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 02, 2010, 11:40:47 AM
cool video taken off of Fabregas twitter - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SorPhiHgSOI

bitter sweet but ah love the club

cesc himself posted that on his twitter?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on November 02, 2010, 03:59:04 PM
cesc himself posted that on his twitter?

yea. posted a link to the video and said: "Very emotional video. Thank to all for you faith, we lose together, we win together. we´ll do it." guess who ever made it sent it to him. some of the pics the arsenal players post on their twitter are pretty cool. check this one - http://yfrog.com/hq32ntj
jack wilshere (esp) posts a lot a pics as well
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 02, 2010, 06:24:02 PM
interesting

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 03, 2010, 07:41:09 AM
ok the slipery slope starts today!

get the points tonight without injuries and then face a newcastle looking for blood on sunday

mess up tonight and we still gotta get points next two home games BUT we also have to face everton  aston villa and spurs this month

wrap up champs league and focus on a tough few months ahead
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on November 03, 2010, 07:54:05 PM
Wenger is a kicks man eh.
He does put these sides out there knowing they will struggle and then sit down looking sour whole game.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 05, 2010, 07:14:43 AM
Wenger is a kicks man eh.
He does put these sides out there knowing they will struggle and then sit down looking sour whole game.

jeeze! i know i sound like a true arsenal fan always doubting if we will win a game but of f**k man wenger!

had a nice winning runn going and yuh f**k it up!

now we have to face a newcastle that put 5 on sunderland! and we only managed a draw! wtf!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on November 06, 2010, 02:19:13 AM
What nonsense allyuh talking?
If the man eh give man games how he go know how men go respond or how will they gain experience?
If he didn't try Fabianski .... Almunia would have been in goal right now..... what a night mare!
He have no  real backup for song so he had to try Eastmond!
if he didn't try Wilshire we wouldn't have known his level!
You dont just run yuh team into the ground and when the whole team get injured yuh put in yuh second 11 with no experience.
Vermalean injured whole season ... what if we didn't give djourou games? Is call man management people!
Allyuh feel is latas managing arsenal or what?
The youths and them have to learn to not underestimate anybody and to play under pressure!
We still in the driving seat to qualify despite the loss and were able to rest our key players to prepare for Newcastle which is for points ... nothing wrong with that. Up till now Arsenal haven't played their strongest team yet
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on November 06, 2010, 06:27:00 AM
What nonsense allyuh talking?
If the man eh give man games how he go know how men go respond or how will they gain experience?
If he didn't try Fabianski .... Almunia would have been in goal right now..... what a night mare!
He have no  real backup for song so he had to try Eastmond!
if he didn't try Wilshire we wouldn't have known his level!
You dont just run yuh team into the ground and when the whole team get injured yuh put in yuh second 11 with no experience.
Vermalean injured whole season ... what if we didn't give djourou games? Is call man management people!
Allyuh feel is latas managing arsenal or what?
The youths and them have to learn to not underestimate anybody and to play under pressure!
We still in the driving seat to qualify despite the loss and were able to rest our key players to prepare for Newcastle which is for points ... nothing wrong with that. Up till now Arsenal haven't played their strongest team yet

I eh saying no, I saying, he know he putting in the inexperienced youths, but then does sit looking like he cyah believe they losing. 

Then again, Wenger born with a sour pan.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on November 06, 2010, 08:54:16 AM
What nonsense allyuh talking?
If the man eh give man games how he go know how men go respond or how will they gain experience?
If he didn't try Fabianski .... Almunia would have been in goal right now..... what a night mare!
He have no  real backup for song so he had to try Eastmond!
if he didn't try Wilshire we wouldn't have known his level!
You dont just run yuh team into the ground and when the whole team get injured yuh put in yuh second 11 with no experience.
Vermalean injured whole season ... what if we didn't give djourou games? Is call man management people!
Allyuh feel is latas managing arsenal or what?
The youths and them have to learn to not underestimate anybody and to play under pressure!
We still in the driving seat to qualify despite the loss and were able to rest our key players to prepare for Newcastle which is for points ... nothing wrong with that. Up till now Arsenal haven't played their strongest team yet

I eh saying no, I saying, he know he putting in the inexperienced youths, but then does sit looking like he cyah believe they losing. 

Then again, Wenger born with a sour pan.

He ain't sour he just concentrating realll deep lmao
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 06, 2010, 04:25:20 PM
What nonsense allyuh talking?
If the man eh give man games how he go know how men go respond or how will they gain experience?
If he didn't try Fabianski .... Almunia would have been in goal right now..... what a night mare!
He have no  real backup for song so he had to try Eastmond!
if he didn't try Wilshire we wouldn't have known his level!
You dont just run yuh team into the ground and when the whole team get injured yuh put in yuh second 11 with no experience.
Vermalean injured whole season ... what if we didn't give djourou games? Is call man management people!
Allyuh feel is latas managing arsenal or what?
The youths and them have to learn to not underestimate anybody and to play under pressure!
We still in the driving seat to qualify despite the loss and were able to rest our key players to prepare for Newcastle which is for points ... nothing wrong with that. Up till now Arsenal haven't played their strongest team yet

I eh saying no, I saying, he know he putting in the inexperienced youths, but then does sit looking like he cyah believe they losing. 

Then again, Wenger born with a sour pan.

He ain't sour he just concentrating realll deep lmao
i mean had we won we would have a lil less pressure on us on league and champs last 2 games in group
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 07, 2010, 09:41:20 AM
asshole side!

cesc off day at the office

wenger sub the hardest working man on the feild

and leaves walcott on who had no room behind a defense to run


wtf!!!


i only watching arsenal carling cup games from now f**k this bag of shite
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Midknight on November 07, 2010, 09:45:05 AM
I can't even depend on this shit shite to be consistent in fantasy football let alone back them. Steups!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on November 07, 2010, 12:13:39 PM
asshole side!

cesc off day at the office

wenger sub the hardest working man on the feild

and leaves walcott on who had no room behind a defense to run


wtf!!!


i only watching arsenal carling cup games from now f**k this bag of shite
\

calm down dude...this is what being a fan is about.    as a matter of fact i expect some more draws and losses in the future...it always happens after a midweek CL loss.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 09, 2010, 05:25:31 PM
righty-o!

we need city to beat manu by two - three goals (damage manu goal diff)

and see if fulham can hurt chelsea some how

spurs stumbled today

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on November 10, 2010, 05:12:04 AM
Presshah now is the time they either stand up or shut the f**k up..... no more excuses time the yutes turn to men n stop f**king up!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 10, 2010, 05:42:55 PM
first min and last min goals by chamakh give us the points
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on November 11, 2010, 04:52:07 PM
first min and last min goals by chamakh give us the points

The gunners still have no idea of what their best team is as yet ..... Theo is the key but he gets lost between the fact that he wants to play that centerforward so bad that he is constantly cutting inside rather than extending the defense and giving width to the gunners and creating chances from the byline.
They keep trying to go through the middle clogging it but with his speed he can get to the byline and extend the defense he needs to understand that.
Probably why Arsene sub his ass.
Also believe it or not the midfield is more competitive with denilson it in he shores it up defensively with Song giving Fabregas more freedom to express himself... I'm not sold on Wilshire defensively, I think he is skilled but right now he is being overhyped. It's all about getting the right mix!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on November 13, 2010, 12:03:53 AM
first min and last min goals by chamakh give us the points

The gunners still have no idea of what their best team is as yet ..... Theo is the key but he gets lost between the fact that he wants to play that centerforward so bad that he is constantly cutting inside rather than extending the defense and giving width to the gunners and creating chances from the byline.
They keep trying to go through the middle clogging it but with his speed he can get to the byline and extend the defense he needs to understand that.
Probably why Arsene sub his ass.
Also believe it or not the midfield is more competitive with denilson it in he shores it up defensively with Song giving Fabregas more freedom to express himself... I'm not sold on Wilshire defensively, I think he is skilled but right now he is being overhyped. It's all about getting the right mix!

the middle looks like Fabregas and Song plus one. at the moment Wilshere getting the nod ahead of Denilson, and I think it's had a positive effect on Denilson's play. when he comes on he looks determined. then there's Diaby who's injured at the moment, but would probably play ahead of them both when he's at the top of his game. and finally, Rosicky and Nasri could play the Fabregas role or even one of the more deep-lying midfielders when Wenger puts out a more attacking lineup.

the difference between last season and this seasons is Song is getting forward a lot more. Wilshere said in an interview that the understanding between him and Song is one go, one stay, which is a bit different from last year when Song would hold and Diaby would be the one to go every time. seems to be working for Song, and to be honest, I like the Song/Wilshere. very impressed the youth. he's getting better too, not losing the ball as much as his first few games.

about Walcott, that boy still frustrating to watch. before he got injured I thought we were seeing a new and improved player. but he still has the same deficiencies. i think he's just a little more confident now.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 15, 2010, 06:49:49 PM
first min and last min goals by chamakh give us the points

The gunners still have no idea of what their best team is as yet ..... Theo is the key but he gets lost between the fact that he wants to play that centerforward so bad that he is constantly cutting inside rather than extending the defense and giving width to the gunners and creating chances from the byline.
They keep trying to go through the middle clogging it but with his speed he can get to the byline and extend the defense he needs to understand that.
Probably why Arsene sub his ass.
Also believe it or not the midfield is more competitive with denilson it in he shores it up defensively with Song giving Fabregas more freedom to express himself... I'm not sold on Wilshire defensively, I think he is skilled but right now he is being overhyped. It's all about getting the right mix!

the middle looks like Fabregas and Song plus one. at the moment Wilshere getting the nod ahead of Denilson, and I think it's had a positive effect on Denilson's play. when he comes on he looks determined. then there's Diaby who's injured at the moment, but would probably play ahead of them both when he's at the top of his game. and finally, Rosicky and Nasri could play the Fabregas role or even one of the more deep-lying midfielders when Wenger puts out a more attacking lineup.

the difference between last season and this seasons is Song is getting forward a lot more. Wilshere said in an interview that the understanding between him and Song is one go, one stay, which is a bit different from last year when Song would hold and Diaby would be the one to go every time. seems to be working for Song, and to be honest, I like the Song/Wilshere. very impressed the youth. he's getting better too, not losing the ball as much as his first few games.

about Walcott, that boy still frustrating to watch. before he got injured I thought we were seeing a new and improved player. but he still has the same deficiencies. i think he's just a little more confident now.

walcott only effective against teams who hold a high defensive line against us or on counter attacks, teams who  sit back and absorb or clog the last third stifle walcott, i do like the fact because of his pace he can do box to box runs all day and that helps alot in defense
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 19, 2010, 06:16:59 PM
could be the closest match north london rivalry in years!

too close to call

arsenal cannot lapse at any point
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on November 20, 2010, 08:42:21 AM
From total control to  a 3-2 loss.
Long season ahead though.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: DeSoWa on November 20, 2010, 08:48:16 AM
From a dominant 1st half to total shambles in the 2nd...all is not lost though!

Big Up!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: College on November 20, 2010, 08:51:24 AM
Tough luck dey Gunners ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 20, 2010, 05:40:07 PM
could be the closest match north london rivalry in years!

too close to call

arsenal cannot lapse at any point


lapsed at 3 points

denislson literally stopped tracking bale when bale got the ball, not even a tackle or run with him to slow him bale like he is every brazilian fadda

second penalty was stupid

3rd goal 4 arsneal men around one spur and he still gets a flick onit

at least chelsea lost but manu havent lost yet! and are slowly cruising to the top bastards
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on November 20, 2010, 05:56:13 PM
could be the closest match north london rivalry in years!

too close to call

arsenal cannot lapse at any point


lapsed at 3 points

denislson literally stopped tracking bale when bale got the ball, not even a tackle or run with him to slow him bale like he is every brazilian fadda

second penalty was stupid

3rd goal 4 arsneal men around one spur and he still gets a flick onit

at least chelsea lost but manu havent lost yet! and are slowly cruising to the top bastards

but oh so glorious
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on November 20, 2010, 08:58:25 PM
could be the closest match north london rivalry in years!

too close to call

arsenal cannot lapse at any point


lapsed at 3 points

denislson literally stopped tracking bale when bale got the ball, not even a tackle or run with him to slow him bale like he is every brazilian fadda

second penalty was stupid

3rd goal 4 arsneal men around one spur and he still gets a flick onit

at least chelsea lost but manu havent lost yet! and are slowly cruising to the top bastards
:devil: :devil: :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: DeSoWa on November 20, 2010, 10:09:49 PM
could be the closest match north london rivalry in years!

too close to call

arsenal cannot lapse at any point


lapsed at 3 points

denislson literally stopped tracking bale when bale got the ball, not even a tackle or run with him to slow him bale like he is every brazilian fadda

second penalty was stupid

3rd goal 4 arsneal men around one spur and he still gets a flick onit

at least chelsea lost but manu havent lost yet! and are slowly cruising to the top bastards

And we only still 2pts behind...they can't stay unbeaten for ever!

Big Up!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on November 21, 2010, 06:38:48 AM
3 losses at home two teams they beat in the carling cup came back with a full team an beat them...... good team not championship calibre mentally inconsistent..... still backing them.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on November 21, 2010, 08:42:27 AM
Geez I wonder how come Arsene9 didn't see Cesc's handball offense? Even Paul the Octopus saw that offense.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: ckhan on November 21, 2010, 09:20:22 AM
Arsenal lacks the mental capacity to close games.  Probably one reason for it is that they lack one of them charasmatic leaders who would not be afraid to call someone out and demand a better game.  This loss mirrored the one at Wigan last yr when they were three points behind Chelsea with 2 or 3 games to go and they had a 2 goal lead with 20 minutes or so in the game.

Wenger thought these group of guys have matured enough to handle these situations, he's wrong!! 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on November 21, 2010, 11:41:10 AM
Should have killed the game off when it was 2-0 and then 2-1. payed the price.

Out done by set plays yet again. Shades of Carroll in the Newcastle game.
If you know defending against set plays are a weakness, then Arsenal need to stop unnecessary fouls that allow freekicks.

Interesting note when Arsenal loss, its always they too small (weak) or lack mentality. Interested in the reasoning for Chelski losses?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on November 21, 2010, 12:26:04 PM
Should have killed the game off when it was 2-0 and then 2-1. payed the price.

Out done by set plays yet again. Shades of Carroll in the Newcastle game.
If you know defending against set plays are a weakness, then Arsenal need to stop unnecessary fouls that allow freekicks.

Interesting note when Arsenal loss, its always they too small (weak) or lack mentality. Interested in the reasoning for Chelski losses?

The owner interferin or dey unlucky!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 21, 2010, 03:16:27 PM
could be the closest match north london rivalry in years!

too close to call

arsenal cannot lapse at any point


lapsed at 3 points

denislson literally stopped tracking bale when bale got the ball, not even a tackle or run with him to slow him bale like he is every brazilian fadda

second penalty was stupid

3rd goal 4 arsneal men around one spur and he still gets a flick onit

at least chelsea lost but manu havent lost yet! and are slowly cruising to the top bastards

but oh so glorious

yuh forget i speak small magicianese so where i read glorious you actually mean oh so lucky bastards  :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on November 21, 2010, 07:48:14 PM
Should have killed the game off when it was 2-0 and then 2-1. payed the price.

Out done by set plays yet again. Shades of Carroll in the Newcastle game.
If you know defending against set plays are a weakness, then Arsenal need to stop unnecessary fouls that allow freekicks.

Interesting note when Arsenal loss, its always they too small (weak) or lack mentality. Interested in the reasoning for Chelski losses?

The owner interferin or dey unlucky!


 ;D ent!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bourbon on November 23, 2010, 10:32:10 AM
(http://www.studs-up.com/comics/2010-11-22.jpg)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: PantherX on November 23, 2010, 06:56:18 PM
(http://www.studs-up.com/comics/2010-11-22.jpg)

That comic ent joking nah.  I was reading comments from the first half in the game thread on the Spurs fan site  and men was ready to scrap the whole team and fire Harry...amazing what 45 mins can do to one's outlook.

English fans are a very volatile lot....not that we much better :D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Peong on November 23, 2010, 07:16:39 PM
Allyuh collect a nasty second from Braga today.   
That shot was loaded with disrespect.

http://video.rutube.ru/ee2c349a3d0b232b51669cd187ea21e3]
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on November 23, 2010, 07:23:15 PM
Allyuh collect a nasty second from Braga today.   
That shot was loaded with disrespect.


 :rotfl: So true a statement and so well delivered!  :rotfl:



Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on November 24, 2010, 06:38:14 AM
sweet
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on November 24, 2010, 07:12:28 AM
I dunno what going on with arsenal, mentally right now we in trouble!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 24, 2010, 08:43:32 AM
I dunno what going on with arsenal, mentally right now we in trouble!

yup side is now guaranteed to choke the games that matter...

chelsea game choke

newcastle choke

spurs choke

partizan choke

braga choke

something is very wrong inside the club

very wrong

if we win carling or fa cup we lucky
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on November 24, 2010, 04:17:59 PM
I dunno what going on with arsenal, mentally right now we in trouble!

yup side is now guaranteed to choke the games that matter...

chelsea game choke

newcastle choke

spurs choke

partizan choke

braga choke

something is very wrong inside the club

very wrong

if we win carling or fa cup we lucky


Yuh cyah call it a choke when a side dominate yuh, score two on yuh and shut yuh out.  So allyuh didn't choke against Chelsea.  Allyuh get a cutarse allyuh was supposed to get, in a fashion yuh was supposed to get it in.   The problem with allyuh tem is arsene9.  Whatever his big plans are with this side, he accomplished them way back when last allyuh was last winnin' trophies.  It's just not working anymore and somebody with a new philosophy is the only way allyuh will see that success again.......unless there happens to be a total collapse of Chelsea, manu, mancity, liverpool and Spurs in the near and perennial future. 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on November 24, 2010, 05:18:23 PM
I dunno what going on with arsenal, mentally right now we in trouble!

yup side is now guaranteed to choke the games that matter...

chelsea game choke

newcastle choke

spurs choke

partizan choke

braga choke

something is very wrong inside the club

very wrong

if we win carling or fa cup we lucky


Yuh cyah call it a choke when a side dominate yuh, score two on yuh and shut yuh out.  So allyuh didn't choke against Chelsea.  Allyuh get a cutarse allyuh was supposed to get, in a fashion yuh was supposed to get it in.   The problem with allyuh tem is arsene9.  Whatever his big plans are with this side, he accomplished them way back when last allyuh was last winnin' trophies.  It's just not working anymore and somebody with a new philosophy is the only way allyuh will see that success again.......unless there happens to be a total collapse of Chelsea, manu, mancity, liverpool and Spurs in the near and perennial future. 
"The problem with allyuh tem is arsene9.  Whatever his big plans are with this side, he accomplished them way back when last allyuh was last winnin' trophies.  It's just not working anymore and somebody with a new philosophy is the only way allyuh will see that success again......."
What a pile of nonsense!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on November 24, 2010, 11:38:24 PM
I dunno what going on with arsenal, mentally right now we in trouble!

yup side is now guaranteed to choke the games that matter...

chelsea game choke

newcastle choke

spurs choke

partizan choke

braga choke

something is very wrong inside the club

very wrong

if we win carling or fa cup we lucky


Yuh cyah call it a choke when a side dominate yuh, score two on yuh and shut yuh out.  So allyuh didn't choke against Chelsea.  Allyuh get a cutarse allyuh was supposed to get, in a fashion yuh was supposed to get it in.   The problem with allyuh tem is arsene9.  Whatever his big plans are with this side, he accomplished them way back when last allyuh was last winnin' trophies.  It's just not working anymore and somebody with a new philosophy is the only way allyuh will see that success again.......unless there happens to be a total collapse of Chelsea, manu, mancity, liverpool and Spurs in the near and perennial future. 
"The problem with allyuh tem is arsene9.  Whatever his big plans are with this side, he accomplished them way back when last allyuh was last winnin' trophies.  It's just not working anymore and somebody with a new philosophy is the only way allyuh will see that success again......."
What a pile of nonsense!

and you'll be sittin' on dat pile, cursin' yet another trophy-less season come the end of May.  (expectations is a helluva ting.)   :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on November 25, 2010, 07:31:17 AM
I dunno what going on with arsenal, mentally right now we in trouble!

yup side is now guaranteed to choke the games that matter...

chelsea game choke

newcastle choke

spurs choke

partizan choke

braga choke

something is very wrong inside the club

very wrong

if we win carling or fa cup we lucky


Yuh cyah call it a choke when a side dominate yuh, score two on yuh and shut yuh out.  So allyuh didn't choke against Chelsea.  Allyuh get a cutarse allyuh was supposed to get, in a fashion yuh was supposed to get it in.   The problem with allyuh tem is arsene9.  Whatever his big plans are with this side, he accomplished them way back when last allyuh was last winnin' trophies.  It's just not working anymore and somebody with a new philosophy is the only way allyuh will see that success again.......unless there happens to be a total collapse of Chelsea, manu, mancity, liverpool and Spurs in the near and perennial future. 

Intresting! How many managers have Man City and Spurs had in the last 10 years? How many trophies have they won?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on November 25, 2010, 07:51:07 AM
I dunno what going on with arsenal, mentally right now we in trouble!

yup side is now guaranteed to choke the games that matter...

chelsea game choke

newcastle choke

spurs choke

partizan choke

braga choke

something is very wrong inside the club

very wrong

if we win carling or fa cup we lucky


Yuh cyah call it a choke when a side dominate yuh, score two on yuh and shut yuh out.  So allyuh didn't choke against Chelsea.  Allyuh get a cutarse allyuh was supposed to get, in a fashion yuh was supposed to get it in.   The problem with allyuh tem is arsene9.  Whatever his big plans are with this side, he accomplished them way back when last allyuh was last winnin' trophies.  It's just not working anymore and somebody with a new philosophy is the only way allyuh will see that success again.......unless there happens to be a total collapse of Chelsea, manu, mancity, liverpool and Spurs in the near and perennial future. 
"The problem with allyuh tem is arsene9.  Whatever his big plans are with this side, he accomplished them way back when last allyuh was last winnin' trophies.  It's just not working anymore and somebody with a new philosophy is the only way allyuh will see that success again......."
What a pile of nonsense!

and you'll be sittin' on dat pile, cursin' yet another trophy-less season come the end of May.  (expectations is a helluva ting.)   :beermug:

Despite the inconsistency we 2 points off the lead still in the fa, carling and champions league ... we going through a bad patch just like any team is a matter of figuring it out.
So drink ya beer and support your own while I support mines ... bartender give him a next rounds .. on me  :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on November 25, 2010, 11:50:29 AM
I dunno what going on with arsenal, mentally right now we in trouble!

yup side is now guaranteed to choke the games that matter...

chelsea game choke

newcastle choke

spurs choke

partizan choke

braga choke

something is very wrong inside the club

very wrong

if we win carling or fa cup we lucky


Yuh cyah call it a choke when a side dominate yuh, score two on yuh and shut yuh out.  So allyuh didn't choke against Chelsea.  Allyuh get a cutarse allyuh was supposed to get, in a fashion yuh was supposed to get it in.   The problem with allyuh tem is arsene9.  Whatever his big plans are with this side, he accomplished them way back when last allyuh was last winnin' trophies.  It's just not working anymore and somebody with a new philosophy is the only way allyuh will see that success again.......unless there happens to be a total collapse of Chelsea, manu, mancity, liverpool and Spurs in the near and perennial future. 

Intresting! How many managers have Man City and Spurs had in the last 10 years? How many trophies have they won?

I ain't talkin' 'bout the past, Bredda.  I leave dat to the liverpool fans, even if their team aren't currently living up to expectations.  Spurs and mancity are two teams that are ascending above their usual expectations while arsenal is one of the teams that are lately declining below theirs.

I dunno what going on with arsenal, mentally right now we in trouble!

yup side is now guaranteed to choke the games that matter...

chelsea game choke

newcastle choke

spurs choke

partizan choke

braga choke

something is very wrong inside the club

very wrong

if we win carling or fa cup we lucky


Yuh cyah call it a choke when a side dominate yuh, score two on yuh and shut yuh out.  So allyuh didn't choke against Chelsea.  Allyuh get a cutarse allyuh was supposed to get, in a fashion yuh was supposed to get it in.   The problem with allyuh tem is arsene9.  Whatever his big plans are with this side, he accomplished them way back when last allyuh was last winnin' trophies.  It's just not working anymore and somebody with a new philosophy is the only way allyuh will see that success again.......unless there happens to be a total collapse of Chelsea, manu, mancity, liverpool and Spurs in the near and perennial future. 
"The problem with allyuh tem is arsene9.  Whatever his big plans are with this side, he accomplished them way back when last allyuh was last winnin' trophies.  It's just not working anymore and somebody with a new philosophy is the only way allyuh will see that success again......."
What a pile of nonsense!

and you'll be sittin' on dat pile, cursin' yet another trophy-less season come the end of May.  (expectations is a helluva ting.)   :beermug:

Despite the inconsistency we 2 points off the lead still in the fa, carling and champions league ... we going through a bad patch just like any team is a matter of figuring it out.
So drink ya beer and support your own while I support mines ... bartender give him a next rounds .. on me  :beermug:

And, Ngozi, my point is that since arsenal last won a trophy, this has been the mantra ever since.  Nobody eh stoppin' yuh from supportin' yours, Padnah.  But drunk or sober, I've been hearin' y'all "...going through a bad patch..." and "..figuring it out..." for a while now and the results have been way below the expectations of one of the biggest clubs in Europe.  Yuh better hope that come the end of May, when yuh buyin' a rounds yuh buyin' it fuh for arsene9 instead and not Chelsea supporters.     
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on November 25, 2010, 01:00:54 PM
I dunno what going on with arsenal, mentally right now we in trouble!

yup side is now guaranteed to choke the games that matter...

chelsea game choke

newcastle choke

spurs choke

partizan choke

braga choke

something is very wrong inside the club

very wrong

if we win carling or fa cup we lucky


Yuh cyah call it a choke when a side dominate yuh, score two on yuh and shut yuh out.  So allyuh didn't choke against Chelsea.  Allyuh get a cutarse allyuh was supposed to get, in a fashion yuh was supposed to get it in.   The problem with allyuh tem is arsene9.  Whatever his big plans are with this side, he accomplished them way back when last allyuh was last winnin' trophies.  It's just not working anymore and somebody with a new philosophy is the only way allyuh will see that success again.......unless there happens to be a total collapse of Chelsea, manu, mancity, liverpool and Spurs in the near and perennial future. 

Intresting! How many managers have Man City and Spurs had in the last 10 years? How many trophies have they won?

I ain't talkin' 'bout the past, Bredda.  I leave dat to the liverpool fans, even if their team aren't currently living up to expectations.  Spurs and mancity are two teams that are ascending above their usual expectations while arsenal is one of the teams that are lately declining below theirs.

I dunno what going on with arsenal, mentally right now we in trouble!

yup side is now guaranteed to choke the games that matter...

chelsea game choke

newcastle choke

spurs choke

partizan choke

braga choke

something is very wrong inside the club

very wrong

if we win carling or fa cup we lucky


Yuh cyah call it a choke when a side dominate yuh, score two on yuh and shut yuh out.  So allyuh didn't choke against Chelsea.  Allyuh get a cutarse allyuh was supposed to get, in a fashion yuh was supposed to get it in.   The problem with allyuh tem is arsene9.  Whatever his big plans are with this side, he accomplished them way back when last allyuh was last winnin' trophies.  It's just not working anymore and somebody with a new philosophy is the only way allyuh will see that success again.......unless there happens to be a total collapse of Chelsea, manu, mancity, liverpool and Spurs in the near and perennial future. 
"The problem with allyuh tem is arsene9.  Whatever his big plans are with this side, he accomplished them way back when last allyuh was last winnin' trophies.  It's just not working anymore and somebody with a new philosophy is the only way allyuh will see that success again......."
What a pile of nonsense!

and you'll be sittin' on dat pile, cursin' yet another trophy-less season come the end of May.  (expectations is a helluva ting.)   :beermug:

Despite the inconsistency we 2 points off the lead still in the fa, carling and champions league ... we going through a bad patch just like any team is a matter of figuring it out.
So drink ya beer and support your own while I support mines ... bartender give him a next rounds .. on me  :beermug:

And, Ngozi, my point is that since arsenal last won a trophy, this has been the mantra ever since.  Nobody eh stoppin' yuh from supportin' yours, Padnah.  But drunk or sober, I've been hearin' y'all "...going through a bad patch..." and "..figuring it out..." for a while now and the results have been way below the expectations of one of the biggest clubs in Europe.  Yuh better hope that come the end of May, when yuh buyin' a rounds yuh buyin' it fuh for arsene9 instead and not Chelsea supporters.     

lol I've watched this team develop ... bad results or not this is the squad arsene want minus the bad chemistry  players like gallas and adebayor ... a young group that want to win together. Believe it or not I think this is finally the squad to win it. Personally I think if Vermalean was not injured he would have made a huge difference unfortunately it is what it is so we have to roll with the blows that our defence will take for the time being.... I also think it is important to experience these losses it helps them understand  that they need to be at their best at all times. Not denying the other teams have pep but still feel this team have something to prove and I feel they can.
I like to see nice ball cyah help it and this team does bring it now if they can toughen up like man u I think we can get the best of both worlds!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on November 25, 2010, 02:00:35 PM
I dunno what going on with arsenal, mentally right now we in trouble!

yup side is now guaranteed to choke the games that matter...

chelsea game choke

newcastle choke

spurs choke

partizan choke

braga choke

something is very wrong inside the club

very wrong

if we win carling or fa cup we lucky


Yuh cyah call it a choke when a side dominate yuh, score two on yuh and shut yuh out.  So allyuh didn't choke against Chelsea.  Allyuh get a cutarse allyuh was supposed to get, in a fashion yuh was supposed to get it in.   The problem with allyuh tem is arsene9.  Whatever his big plans are with this side, he accomplished them way back when last allyuh was last winnin' trophies.  It's just not working anymore and somebody with a new philosophy is the only way allyuh will see that success again.......unless there happens to be a total collapse of Chelsea, manu, mancity, liverpool and Spurs in the near and perennial future. 

Intresting! How many managers have Man City and Spurs had in the last 10 years? How many trophies have they won?

I ain't talkin' 'bout the past, Bredda.  I leave dat to the liverpool fans, even if their team aren't currently living up to expectations.  Spurs and mancity are two teams that are ascending above their usual expectations while arsenal is one of the teams that are lately declining below theirs.

I dunno what going on with arsenal, mentally right now we in trouble!

yup side is now guaranteed to choke the games that matter...

chelsea game choke

newcastle choke

spurs choke

partizan choke

braga choke

something is very wrong inside the club

very wrong

if we win carling or fa cup we lucky


Yuh cyah call it a choke when a side dominate yuh, score two on yuh and shut yuh out.  So allyuh didn't choke against Chelsea.  Allyuh get a cutarse allyuh was supposed to get, in a fashion yuh was supposed to get it in.   The problem with allyuh tem is arsene9.  Whatever his big plans are with this side, he accomplished them way back when last allyuh was last winnin' trophies.  It's just not working anymore and somebody with a new philosophy is the only way allyuh will see that success again.......unless there happens to be a total collapse of Chelsea, manu, mancity, liverpool and Spurs in the near and perennial future. 
"The problem with allyuh tem is arsene9.  Whatever his big plans are with this side, he accomplished them way back when last allyuh was last winnin' trophies.  It's just not working anymore and somebody with a new philosophy is the only way allyuh will see that success again......."
What a pile of nonsense!

and you'll be sittin' on dat pile, cursin' yet another trophy-less season come the end of May.  (expectations is a helluva ting.)   :beermug:

Despite the inconsistency we 2 points off the lead still in the fa, carling and champions league ... we going through a bad patch just like any team is a matter of figuring it out.
So drink ya beer and support your own while I support mines ... bartender give him a next rounds .. on me  :beermug:

And, Ngozi, my point is that since arsenal last won a trophy, this has been the mantra ever since.  Nobody eh stoppin' yuh from supportin' yours, Padnah.  But drunk or sober, I've been hearin' y'all "...going through a bad patch..." and "..figuring it out..." for a while now and the results have been way below the expectations of one of the biggest clubs in Europe.  Yuh better hope that come the end of May, when yuh buyin' a rounds yuh buyin' it fuh for arsene9 instead and not Chelsea supporters.     

lol I've watched this team develop ... bad results or not this is the squad arsene want minus the bad chemistry  players like gallas and adebayor ... a young group that want to win together. Believe it or not I think this is finally the squad to win it. Personally I think if Vermalean was not injured he would have made a huge difference unfortunately it is what it is so we have to roll with the blows that our defence will take for the time being.... I also think it is important to experience these losses it helps them understand  that they need to be at their best at all times. Not denying the other teams have pep but still feel this team have something to prove and I feel they can.
I like to see nice ball cyah help it and this team does bring it now if they can toughen up like man u I think we can get the best of both worlds!

OK, I hear yuh.  He have the rest of the season to bring sumting home now.  This squad have enough seasoning and experience that he cyah cll them "young" anymore.  :beermug:....this round is on me.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mose on November 25, 2010, 02:15:31 PM
I dunno what going on with arsenal, mentally right now we in trouble!

yup side is now guaranteed to choke the games that matter...

chelsea game choke

newcastle choke

spurs choke

partizan choke

braga choke

something is very wrong inside the club

very wrong

if we win carling or fa cup we lucky


Yuh cyah call it a choke when a side dominate yuh, score two on yuh and shut yuh out.  So allyuh didn't choke against Chelsea.  Allyuh get a cutarse allyuh was supposed to get, in a fashion yuh was supposed to get it in.   The problem with allyuh tem is arsene9.  Whatever his big plans are with this side, he accomplished them way back when last allyuh was last winnin' trophies.  It's just not working anymore and somebody with a new philosophy is the only way allyuh will see that success again.......unless there happens to be a total collapse of Chelsea, manu, mancity, liverpool and Spurs in the near and perennial future. 

Intresting! How many managers have Man City and Spurs had in the last 10 years? How many trophies have they won?

I ain't talkin' 'bout the past, Bredda.  I leave dat to the liverpool fans, even if their team aren't currently living up to expectations.  Spurs and mancity are two teams that are ascending above their usual expectations while arsenal is one of the teams that are lately declining below theirs.

I dunno what going on with arsenal, mentally right now we in trouble!

yup side is now guaranteed to choke the games that matter...

chelsea game choke

newcastle choke

spurs choke

partizan choke

braga choke

something is very wrong inside the club

very wrong

if we win carling or fa cup we lucky


Yuh cyah call it a choke when a side dominate yuh, score two on yuh and shut yuh out.  So allyuh didn't choke against Chelsea.  Allyuh get a cutarse allyuh was supposed to get, in a fashion yuh was supposed to get it in.   The problem with allyuh tem is arsene9.  Whatever his big plans are with this side, he accomplished them way back when last allyuh was last winnin' trophies.  It's just not working anymore and somebody with a new philosophy is the only way allyuh will see that success again.......unless there happens to be a total collapse of Chelsea, manu, mancity, liverpool and Spurs in the near and perennial future. 
"The problem with allyuh tem is arsene9.  Whatever his big plans are with this side, he accomplished them way back when last allyuh was last winnin' trophies.  It's just not working anymore and somebody with a new philosophy is the only way allyuh will see that success again......."
What a pile of nonsense!

and you'll be sittin' on dat pile, cursin' yet another trophy-less season come the end of May.  (expectations is a helluva ting.)   :beermug:

Despite the inconsistency we 2 points off the lead still in the fa, carling and champions league ... we going through a bad patch just like any team is a matter of figuring it out.
So drink ya beer and support your own while I support mines ... bartender give him a next rounds .. on me  :beermug:

And, Ngozi, my point is that since arsenal last won a trophy, this has been the mantra ever since.  Nobody eh stoppin' yuh from supportin' yours, Padnah.  But drunk or sober, I've been hearin' y'all "...going through a bad patch..." and "..figuring it out..." for a while now and the results have been way below the expectations of one of the biggest clubs in Europe.  Yuh better hope that come the end of May, when yuh buyin' a rounds yuh buyin' it fuh for arsene9 instead and not Chelsea supporters.     

lol I've watched this team develop ... bad results or not this is the squad arsene want minus the bad chemistry  players like gallas and adebayor ... a young group that want to win together. Believe it or not I think this is finally the squad to win it. Personally I think if Vermalean was not injured he would have made a huge difference unfortunately it is what it is so we have to roll with the blows that our defence will take for the time being.... I also think it is important to experience these losses it helps them understand  that they need to be at their best at all times. Not denying the other teams have pep but still feel this team have something to prove and I feel they can.
I like to see nice ball cyah help it and this team does bring it now if they can toughen up like man u I think we can get the best of both worlds!

OK, I hear yuh.  He have the rest of the season to bring sumting home now.  This squad have enough seasoning and experience that he cyah cll them "young" anymore.  :beermug:....this round is on me.
Refreshing to see a civil discussion instead of the usual cussouts. :beermug: :beermug: :beermug: to you both!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on November 25, 2010, 05:53:23 PM
I dunno what going on with arsenal, mentally right now we in trouble!

yup side is now guaranteed to choke the games that matter...

chelsea game choke

newcastle choke

spurs choke

partizan choke

braga choke

something is very wrong inside the club

very wrong

if we win carling or fa cup we lucky


Yuh cyah call it a choke when a side dominate yuh, score two on yuh and shut yuh out.  So allyuh didn't choke against Chelsea.  Allyuh get a cutarse allyuh was supposed to get, in a fashion yuh was supposed to get it in.   The problem with allyuh tem is arsene9.  Whatever his big plans are with this side, he accomplished them way back when last allyuh was last winnin' trophies.  It's just not working anymore and somebody with a new philosophy is the only way allyuh will see that success again.......unless there happens to be a total collapse of Chelsea, manu, mancity, liverpool and Spurs in the near and perennial future. 

Intresting! How many managers have Man City and Spurs had in the last 10 years? How many trophies have they won?

I ain't talkin' 'bout the past, Bredda.  I leave dat to the liverpool fans, even if their team aren't currently living up to expectations.  Spurs and mancity are two teams that are ascending above their usual expectations while arsenal is one of the teams that are lately declining below theirs.

I dunno what going on with arsenal, mentally right now we in trouble!

yup side is now guaranteed to choke the games that matter...

chelsea game choke

newcastle choke

spurs choke

partizan choke

braga choke

something is very wrong inside the club

very wrong

if we win carling or fa cup we lucky


Yuh cyah call it a choke when a side dominate yuh, score two on yuh and shut yuh out.  So allyuh didn't choke against Chelsea.  Allyuh get a cutarse allyuh was supposed to get, in a fashion yuh was supposed to get it in.   The problem with allyuh tem is arsene9.  Whatever his big plans are with this side, he accomplished them way back when last allyuh was last winnin' trophies.  It's just not working anymore and somebody with a new philosophy is the only way allyuh will see that success again.......unless there happens to be a total collapse of Chelsea, manu, mancity, liverpool and Spurs in the near and perennial future. 
"The problem with allyuh tem is arsene9.  Whatever his big plans are with this side, he accomplished them way back when last allyuh was last winnin' trophies.  It's just not working anymore and somebody with a new philosophy is the only way allyuh will see that success again......."
What a pile of nonsense!

and you'll be sittin' on dat pile, cursin' yet another trophy-less season come the end of May.  (expectations is a helluva ting.)   :beermug:

Despite the inconsistency we 2 points off the lead still in the fa, carling and champions league ... we going through a bad patch just like any team is a matter of figuring it out.
So drink ya beer and support your own while I support mines ... bartender give him a next rounds .. on me  :beermug:

And, Ngozi, my point is that since arsenal last won a trophy, this has been the mantra ever since.  Nobody eh stoppin' yuh from supportin' yours, Padnah.  But drunk or sober, I've been hearin' y'all "...going through a bad patch..." and "..figuring it out..." for a while now and the results have been way below the expectations of one of the biggest clubs in Europe.  Yuh better hope that come the end of May, when yuh buyin' a rounds yuh buyin' it fuh for arsene9 instead and not Chelsea supporters.     

lol I've watched this team develop ... bad results or not this is the squad arsene want minus the bad chemistry  players like gallas and adebayor ... a young group that want to win together. Believe it or not I think this is finally the squad to win it. Personally I think if Vermalean was not injured he would have made a huge difference unfortunately it is what it is so we have to roll with the blows that our defence will take for the time being.... I also think it is important to experience these losses it helps them understand  that they need to be at their best at all times. Not denying the other teams have pep but still feel this team have something to prove and I feel they can.
I like to see nice ball cyah help it and this team does bring it now if they can toughen up like man u I think we can get the best of both worlds!

OK, I hear yuh.  He have the rest of the season to bring sumting home now.  This squad have enough seasoning and experience that he cyah cll them "young" anymore.  :beermug:....this round is on me.

Nah that young team ting cyah work no more dem fellas have to step up now! ... cheers :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on November 26, 2010, 04:06:32 AM
[Refreshing to see a civil discussion instead of the usual cussouts. :beermug: :beermug: :beermug: to you both!!


  I does very rarely be de one to start de  :cursing:.  I does only  :cursing: back.  I am the :angel: in all this.  Scout's honour!   :beermug: :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mose on November 26, 2010, 01:37:34 PM
[Refreshing to see a civil discussion instead of the usual cussouts. :beermug: :beermug: :beermug: to you both!!

  I does very rarely be de one to start de  :cursing:.  I does only  :cursing: back.  I am the :angel: in all this.  Scout's honour!   :beermug: :beermug:
LOL :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 29, 2010, 08:48:09 AM
trying not to sound sour or prejudiced but i think villas first goal was offside

carew (injured) was standing infront of fabianski in an offside position

obstructing fabianskis view

how is that not interfering with play?

also looked at nasri goal and there was no defelction it was hit into the ground (unless i see a better slo mo) that was a great volley

arshavin said on his website they never practiced that, he just say his team mate there all lonely and sad so he gave him something to be happy about lol
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on November 29, 2010, 09:13:14 AM
lol
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on November 29, 2010, 01:24:08 PM
trying not to sound sour or prejudiced but i think villas first goal was offside

carew (injured) was standing infront of fabianski in an offside position

obstructing fabianskis view

how is that not interfering with play?

also looked at nasri goal and there was no defelction it was hit into the ground (unless i see a better slo mo) that was a great volley

arshavin said on his website they never practiced that, he just say his team mate there all lonely and sad so he gave him something to be happy about lol


arshavin is a kicks man. some of the answers to the questions on his site is have me rolling.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on November 30, 2010, 06:17:42 PM
nice win today
coulda been more but vela trow away two and bendtner aswell

also nasri had one cleared off the line
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on November 30, 2010, 08:56:02 PM
nice win today
coulda been more but vela trow away two and bendtner aswell

also nasri had one cleared off the line

with man utd. out, the carling cup is now arsenal's trophy to lose.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on November 30, 2010, 09:01:28 PM
nice win today
coulda been more but vela trow away two and bendtner aswell

also nasri had one cleared off the line

with man utd. out, the carling cup is now arsenal's trophy to lose.


I seem to recall a team that hit manu 4 remember? cup ain't won till it's won
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 01, 2010, 08:07:33 AM
nice win today
coulda been more but vela trow away two and bendtner aswell

also nasri had one cleared off the line

with man utd. out, the carling cup is now arsenal's trophy to lose.

I seem to recall a team that hit manu 4 remember? cup ain't won till it's won


correcto

still have west brom (playing decent football and beating teams)

villa who have potential but usually falter

ipswich under roy keane so it is far from over

and now its home and away legs

so not saying anything until i hear the final whistle at the final

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: DeSoWa on December 01, 2010, 04:20:17 PM
We play Carlos and Jason next in the Carling Cup!  ;D

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/35870/carling-cup-draw

Big Up!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on December 01, 2010, 04:35:20 PM
nice win today
coulda been more but vela trow away two and bendtner aswell

also nasri had one cleared off the line

with man utd. out, the carling cup is now arsenal's trophy to lose.



I seem to recall a team that hit manu 4 remember? cup ain't won till it's won
correcto

still have west brom (playing decent football and beating teams)

villa who have potential but usually falter

ipswich under roy keane so it is far from over

and now its home and away legs

so not saying anything until i hear the final whistle at the final

i'm not saying it's already won! just saying they're clear favourites now! i understand that it's football and anyone can win on their day but if you're saying that Arsenal aren't expected to win this trophy (given the teams that are left), then that says a lot about how cautious Arsenal supporters have gotten. in my opinion, we should expect nothing less from the team at this point. To lose now would be a HUGE dissappointment. Ipswich, Birmingham and West Ham?! Come on. if there was ever a chance to win the Carling Cup, this is it!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on December 01, 2010, 04:43:01 PM
If wenger is smart he would play his first string throughout this competition and make sure they win it.

I read an article in Champions Magazine about a month ago about Marseille's rise under Deschamps and he spoke about how he used the equivalent of the Carling Cup in France to help them to their domestic title.

He said even though the tournament was low level, the players needed to know what it felt like to win something again, to have the taste of victory. Once he did that they were able to turn their entire season around and push on to have a very successful season.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on December 01, 2010, 04:49:53 PM
If wenger is smart he would play his first string throughout this competition and make sure they win it.

I read an article in Champions Magazine about a month ago about Marseille's rise under Deschamps and he spoke about how he used the equivalent of the Carling Cup in France to help them to their domestic title.

He said even though the tournament was low level, the players needed to know what it felt like to win something again, to have the taste of victory. Once he did that they were able to turn their entire season around and push on to have a very successful season.

i don't think he will go with the first string though. if he does, well he definitely taking one out of desailly book.

but my guess is that he will go with a team like he put out yesterday - men who don't get much playing time or men who coming back from injury. the belief is that the team is deep enough now that the second string possesses a fair amount of experience. as opposed to passed seasons where the second string was considered a bunch of kids.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kicker on December 01, 2010, 04:55:31 PM
If wenger is smart he would play his first string throughout this competition and make sure they win it.

I read an article in Champions Magazine about a month ago about Marseille's rise under Deschamps and he spoke about how he used the equivalent of the Carling Cup in France to help them to their domestic title.

He said even though the tournament was low level, the players needed to know what it felt like to win something again, to have the taste of victory. Once he did that they were able to turn their entire season around and push on to have a very successful season.

Wenger 2nd string used tuh knock it better than the first sometimes....
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on December 01, 2010, 05:02:53 PM
If wenger is smart he would play his first string throughout this competition and make sure they win it.

I read an article in Champions Magazine about a month ago about Marseille's rise under Deschamps and he spoke about how he used the equivalent of the Carling Cup in France to help them to their domestic title.

He said even though the tournament was low level, the players needed to know what it felt like to win something again, to have the taste of victory. Once he did that they were able to turn their entire season around and push on to have a very successful season.

Wenger 2nd string used tuh knock it better than the first sometimes....

honestly, i find arsenal lost their style a bit. their passing moves are less frequent these days, and the speed of their game seemed to drop compared to past seasons.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 01, 2010, 05:57:38 PM
If wenger is smart he would play his first string throughout this competition and make sure they win it.

I read an article in Champions Magazine about a month ago about Marseille's rise under Deschamps and he spoke about how he used the equivalent of the Carling Cup in France to help them to their domestic title.

He said even though the tournament was low level, the players needed to know what it felt like to win something again, to have the taste of victory. Once he did that they were able to turn their entire season around and push on to have a very successful season.

same thing mourhino did at chelsea, give them a taste of winning
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 01, 2010, 05:59:32 PM
If wenger is smart he would play his first string throughout this competition and make sure they win it.

I read an article in Champions Magazine about a month ago about Marseille's rise under Deschamps and he spoke about how he used the equivalent of the Carling Cup in France to help them to their domestic title.

He said even though the tournament was low level, the players needed to know what it felt like to win something again, to have the taste of victory. Once he did that they were able to turn their entire season around and push on to have a very successful season.

Wenger 2nd string used tuh knock it better than the first sometimes....

honestly, i find arsenal lost their style a bit. their passing moves are less frequent these days, and the speed of their game seemed to drop compared to past seasons.

not seeing the fluidity like in the past, not seeing the runs off the ball as much, seeing alot more ball watching ex when defending
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on December 01, 2010, 06:58:37 PM
Wenger will not change his formula. No first team guaranteed.  Don't forget he played the second team in the final against Jose's Chelsea, when everyone said he should go with the fist team.

Agreed with the sentiments that Arsenal look disjointed and not as fluid, but to be fair to them injuries have the squad chopping and changing.

Defensively Arsenal need a lot of work and I don't mean the back line. I mean the coordination between MF and back line, especially in wide positions.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 02, 2010, 02:19:54 PM
Wenger will not change his formula. No first team guaranteed.  Don't forget he played the second team in the final against Jose's Chelsea, when everyone said he should go with the fist team.

Agreed with the sentiments that Arsenal look disjointed and not as fluid, but to be fair to them injuries have the squad chopping and changing.

Defensively Arsenal need a lot of work and I don't mean the back line. I mean the coordination between MF and back line, especially in wide positions.

arsenal need a take charge figure in dm or cb positions like adams or viera someone the rest of th eplayers look up too, listen too and respect a take charge guy
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on December 02, 2010, 02:28:42 PM
Wenger will not change his formula. No first team guaranteed.  Don't forget he played the second team in the final against Jose's Chelsea, when everyone said he should go with the fist team.

Agreed with the sentiments that Arsenal look disjointed and not as fluid, but to be fair to them injuries have the squad chopping and changing.

Defensively Arsenal need a lot of work and I don't mean the back line. I mean the coordination between MF and back line, especially in wide positions.

arsenal need a take charge figure in dm or cb positions like adams or viera someone the rest of th eplayers look up too, listen too and respect a take charge guy

This is very true!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 02, 2010, 02:35:04 PM
Wenger will not change his formula. No first team guaranteed.  Don't forget he played the second team in the final against Jose's Chelsea, when everyone said he should go with the fist team.

Agreed with the sentiments that Arsenal look disjointed and not as fluid, but to be fair to them injuries have the squad chopping and changing.

Defensively Arsenal need a lot of work and I don't mean the back line. I mean the coordination between MF and back line, especially in wide positions.

yeah someone to pelt the proverbial water bottle on the pitch; kick some asses

arsenal need a take charge figure in dm or cb positions like adams or viera someone the rest of th eplayers look up too, listen too and respect a take charge guy

This is very true!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: palos on December 02, 2010, 02:35:20 PM
[arsenal need a take charge figure in dm or cb positions like adams or viera someone the rest of th eplayers look up too, listen too and respect a take charge guy

Suggestions?

Yuh know who I find playin MASSIVE ball dis season?

Tiote from Newcastle.

De man STRONG on de ball AND in de tackle

His passin on point

His positional play is excellent

I find he playin like Makelele but jes a lil bit better in every department

I think he is one of the defensive midfield standouts in de EPL dis season

And he is jes 24 years old.  
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on December 02, 2010, 03:18:24 PM
[arsenal need a take charge figure in dm or cb positions like adams or viera someone the rest of th eplayers look up too, listen too and respect a take charge guy

Suggestions?

Yuh know who I find playin MASSIVE ball dis season?

Tiote from Newcastle.

De man STRONG on de ball AND in de tackle

His passin on point

His positional play is excellent

I find he playin like Makelele but jes a lil bit better in every department

I think he is one of the defensive midfield standouts in de EPL dis season

And he is jes 24 years old.  

yea, he's good. when I saw him at the WC I said Wenger should try to get him. next thing I hear he's at Newcastle. surprised there weren't bigger clubs in for him, esp since he just came off a title winning season in the dutch league.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on December 02, 2010, 03:24:33 PM
[arsenal need a take charge figure in dm or cb positions like adams or viera someone the rest of th eplayers look up too, listen too and respect a take charge guy

Suggestions?

Yuh know who I find playin MASSIVE ball dis season?

Tiote from Newcastle.

De man STRONG on de ball AND in de tackle

His passin on point

His positional play is excellent

I find he playin like Makelele but jes a lil bit better in every department

I think he is one of the defensive midfield standouts in de EPL dis season

And he is jes 24 years old.  


I talking up Tiote since I see him sweat first game of the season.

Saddis calm.. Collecting the ball under pressure and controlling it and making the right outlet pass instead of just hoofing it out which giving Newcastle plenty in midfield. Only one play i see this season when he try to act to casual and lose the ball and give up a goal (think it was against Arsenal).

I wouldnt go so far as to say he playing better than Makalele, ah mean he still only learning the ropes.. Actually find he more resemble Essien the way he does ball, but still if he keep it up a big club will come calling soon.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on December 04, 2010, 10:54:23 AM
3 the hard way...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on December 04, 2010, 11:04:01 AM
What a performance by Sami Nasri! two brilliant goals (must see).

Overall again a disjointed performance by Arsenal and shaky defending, lucky Dejerou came on for injured Kosciely. They simply are not as smooth in possession & passing seems a bit slower due to positioning of players.
Saying all that they deserve the result, but Fulham were worthy opposition today, good performance by Dempsey.

Just a note on Arsenal defending, down Arsenal left side Clichy allows far too many easy crosses, especially when you know your team struggles in the air.
On set plays how are the match up determined. Imagine on four set plays Nasri picking up Etuhu. You asking for trouble with that match up.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on December 04, 2010, 02:29:41 PM
God stuff today ... hard game way to lift their game .. Koscelny having a hard time ... at first I thought he was ready but he simply makes too many mistakes and they're costing goals ... lawd messi would eat him alive.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on December 04, 2010, 06:20:39 PM
didn t see the game...came home in the afternoon and read the reports...lord, nasri is on fire...another french genius, de man scoring some wicked goals every week.  let's hope we can push on, stabilize the back (please wenger get another defender in).

check here for all de goals:


http://arsenalist.com/
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: palos on December 04, 2010, 06:44:42 PM
Nasri for me is not just Arsenal's player of the season so far, but he's also the player of the league thus far too.  Jes my opinion
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on December 04, 2010, 11:25:12 PM
Arshavin has been very good of late as well.

Been saying this for a while now - would like to see Djourou get a run in the team. Not that he is that good of a player, but Koscielny and Squillaci have looked shaky. Based on form he deserves at least a chance. He is also more athletic and better in the air than those guys which he displayed today, and he has done well in the premiership games that he's played this season.

That said, Arsenal is missing Vermaelen.

The other player I will campaign for in the starting line up is Szczesny but I doubt that happening any time soon.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kicker on December 06, 2010, 01:38:51 PM
Nasri for me is not just Arsenal's player of the season so far, but he's also the player of the league thus far too.  Jes my opinion

He's a poor man's Messi...

Stepped up big time this season so far.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on December 06, 2010, 07:28:42 PM
Nasri for me is not just Arsenal's player of the season so far, but he's also the player of the league thus far too.  Jes my opinion

He's a poor man's Messi...

Stepped up big time this season so far.
A poor man's messi lol .... allyuh fellas just cynical for no reason.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: palos on December 06, 2010, 07:40:48 PM
Nasri for me is not just Arsenal's player of the season so far, but he's also the player of the league thus far too.  Jes my opinion

He's a poor man's Messi...

Stepped up big time this season so far.
A poor man's messi lol .... allyuh fellas just cynical for no reason.

A poor man's messi is a BIG compliment sah
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Peong on December 06, 2010, 09:48:11 PM
I now see the goals.  The commentator put it well, Nasri was doin ballet in the penalty box.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on December 07, 2010, 08:55:28 AM
Looks like Carlos Vela is set to move in the January window. he has spoken to Wenger and wants to go where he can play more often. Odds on he will move to Zaragoza where he will join Mexico's 2010 WC  coach.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kicker on December 07, 2010, 09:52:51 AM

A poor man's messi lol .... allyuh fellas just cynical for no reason.

lol nah man Goz...I meant it as a compliment fuh real!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on December 07, 2010, 08:04:55 PM
Looks like Carlos Vela is set to move in the January window. he has spoken to Wenger and wants to go where he can play more often. Odds on he will move to Zaragoza where he will join Mexico's 2010 WC  coach.

i like that move for him...the man just aint step up this season...spain is ideal for a striker like him.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on December 07, 2010, 08:15:44 PM
Looks like Carlos Vela is set to move in the January window. he has spoken to Wenger and wants to go where he can play more often. Odds on he will move to Zaragoza where he will join Mexico's 2010 WC  coach.

i like that move for him...the man just aint step up this season...spain is ideal for a striker like him.

he cah make the grade... hadda go to spain where they have space all over the place ... flop
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on December 08, 2010, 05:17:20 AM
No worries kicker ... we all know Messi is the benchmark ... I like the move for Vela ... the boy have some talent!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Touches on December 08, 2010, 06:17:22 AM
So who is d replacement?

Cause Bendtner ent really striking fear into the hearts of any defender and Van Persie guaranteed a injury after starting a game.

I also find Chamak ent of Arsenal quality....he ok, but he ent special.

We need a man to score 15-20 goals a season. A proper fwd like Drogba, Torres, Eto, Tevez etc.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on December 08, 2010, 08:13:31 AM
So who is d replacement?

Cause Bendtner ent really striking fear into the hearts of any defender and Van Persie guaranteed a injury after starting a game.

I also find Chamak ent of Arsenal quality....he ok, but he ent special.

We need a man to score 15-20 goals a season. A proper fwd like Drogba, Torres, Eto, Tevez etc.



Wow! I guess no honeymoon for the man to settle in the EPL! By the way the already has 7 goals, my guess is he will probably hit 15
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on December 08, 2010, 09:13:54 AM
So who is d replacement?

Cause Bendtner ent really striking fear into the hearts of any defender and Van Persie guaranteed a injury after starting a game.

I also find Chamak ent of Arsenal quality....he ok, but he ent special.

We need a man to score 15-20 goals a season. A proper fwd like Drogba, Torres, Eto, Tevez etc.



Wow! I guess no honeymoon for the man to settle in the EPL! By the way the already has 7 goals, my guess is he will probably hit 15

Nah we'll give him a honey moon period but I kinda get the point ... he score his 10 goals I not doubting that but other than hold up the ball and play it back ... he doh really look dangerous ... he eh go beat yuh  not super quick and unless he getting crosses and such he tends to be anonymous in alot of games.
He is def a good team player but the truth is if the other guys were fit and firing not sure he'd have been starting ... but he is def doing his job and he is integral but I mean he aint the forward to rip up the premier league.
I was kinda hoping the man to rip up the league for us would have been Walcott but since that injury he slow down significantly  :(
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 08, 2010, 09:28:43 AM
So who is d replacement?

Cause Bendtner ent really striking fear into the hearts of any defender and Van Persie guaranteed a injury after starting a game.

I also find Chamak ent of Arsenal quality....he ok, but he ent special.

We need a man to score 15-20 goals a season. A proper fwd like Drogba, Torres, Eto, Tevez etc.



Wow! I guess no honeymoon for the man to settle in the EPL! By the way the already has 7 goals, my guess is he will probably hit 15

Nah we'll give him a honey moon period but I kinda get the point ... he score his 10 goals I not doubting that but other than hold up the ball and play it back ... he doh really look dangerous ... he eh go beat yuh  not super quick and unless he getting crosses and such he tends to be anonymous in alot of games.
He is def a good team player but the truth is if the other guys were fit and firing not sure he'd have been starting ... but he is def doing his job and he is integral but I mean he aint the forward to rip up the premier league.
I was kinda hoping the man to rip up the league for us would have been Walcott but since that injury he slow down significantly  :(
slow down and not getting starts
he onlt effective getting behind defenses that take a high line
most sit back on arsenal so walcott becomes ineffective
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on December 08, 2010, 09:33:45 AM
So who is d replacement?

Cause Bendtner ent really striking fear into the hearts of any defender and Van Persie guaranteed a injury after starting a game.

I also find Chamak ent of Arsenal quality....he ok, but he ent special.

We need a man to score 15-20 goals a season. A proper fwd like Drogba, Torres, Eto, Tevez etc.



Wow! I guess no honeymoon for the man to settle in the EPL! By the way the already has 7 goals, my guess is he will probably hit 15

Nah we'll give him a honey moon period but I kinda get the point ... he score his 10 goals I not doubting that but other than hold up the ball and play it back ... he doh really look dangerous ... he eh go beat yuh  not super quick and unless he getting crosses and such he tends to be anonymous in alot of games.
He is def a good team player but the truth is if the other guys were fit and firing not sure he'd have been starting ... but he is def doing his job and he is integral but I mean he aint the forward to rip up the premier league.
I was kinda hoping the man to rip up the league for us would have been Walcott but since that injury he slow down significantly  :(
slow down and not getting starts
he onlt effective getting behind defenses that take a high line
most sit back on arsenal so walcott becomes ineffective

That is the reason he ent getting starts because he not showing that he making the adjustment to the teams player deeper ..... the boy have to learn to adapt ... and he so damn fast!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on December 08, 2010, 09:38:57 AM
So who is d replacement?

Cause Bendtner ent really striking fear into the hearts of any defender and Van Persie guaranteed a injury after starting a game.

I also find Chamak ent of Arsenal quality....he ok, but he ent special.

We need a man to score 15-20 goals a season. A proper fwd like Drogba, Torres, Eto, Tevez etc.



Wow! I guess no honeymoon for the man to settle in the EPL! By the way the already has 7 goals, my guess is he will probably hit 15

Nah we'll give him a honey moon period but I kinda get the point ... he score his 10 goals I not doubting that but other than hold up the ball and play it back ... he doh really look dangerous ... he eh go beat yuh  not super quick and unless he getting crosses and such he tends to be anonymous in alot of games.
He is def a good team player but the truth is if the other guys were fit and firing not sure he'd have been starting ... but he is def doing his job and he is integral but I mean he aint the forward to rip up the premier league.
I was kinda hoping the man to rip up the league for us would have been Walcott but since that injury he slow down significantly  :(
slow down and not getting starts
he onlt effective getting behind defenses that take a high line
most sit back on arsenal so walcott becomes ineffective

Good point! I still say he should be utilized as a striker and or against teams that play deep, deploy him on the left (Like Villa) so he could cut insider and draw defenders to him
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on December 08, 2010, 10:11:09 AM
If they were playing a 442  I wouldn't mind trying him as an out and out striker with Van Persie behind him to supply him as for playing him on the left with them two murderous last games Arshavin play there running at man and dinking them lil passes in there ... he cyah get no time in there lol.
Funny thing is if because he's playing the teams drop deeper if he is playing with a post up player pressing the defense deep this can open up alot of shots for the midfield with laybacks etc ... this team have options!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on December 08, 2010, 10:35:40 AM
I think Chamakh is an important part of the team! He isn't going to take on players and isn't great running with the ball but he is (a) a threat in the air (b) someone who can hold up the ball (c) a hard worker. His effort to get onto everything wins the teams penalties even. And that different dimension has been very important for Arsenal in some game this season. I don't think he will necessarily be dropped if everyone was fit. Maybe that was the plan. But after his performances at the start of the season I think he's forced his way into the reckoning to continue holding down a starting spot. Cause there's no other striker on Arsenal's team that is doing what Chamakh does.

And I think Wenger is recognizing that. which is why we're seeing van Persie come on and play a deeper role, rather than replace Chamakh, in recent games. I feel like Wenger doesn't want to drop him and is now looking for a way to use both at the same time.

I disagree with the opinion that Chamakh is not that good because he doesn't have all the tools of a Drogba or Torres, cause sometimes being very good at your role is all that matters. In the same way there are different types of midfielders, there are different types of forwards. Saying he not that good cause he not as versatile, come like saying Makalele isn't all that good cause he doesn't have all the tools of a Xavi. The importance to me is his impact in the team. And from what I seeing he has a big one.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on December 08, 2010, 12:29:06 PM
I think the 2nd most important dimension Chamakh brings to Arsenal (#1 being goals) is to allow for a more direct approach - like they were able to do with Adebayor.

Bendtner should have been able to fill that role, but he tends to move around so much that when players are looking to serve up a cross, he's not in the box. 

Walcott seems to be pressing for goals. His speed would still be useful vs deeper defenses if he would use it to create chances for Arsenal and not mostly for Walcott.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 08, 2010, 05:47:29 PM
So who is d replacement?

Cause Bendtner ent really striking fear into the hearts of any defender and Van Persie guaranteed a injury after starting a game.

I also find Chamak ent of Arsenal quality....he ok, but he ent special.

We need a man to score 15-20 goals a season. A proper fwd like Drogba, Torres, Eto, Tevez etc.



Wow! I guess no honeymoon for the man to settle in the EPL! By the way the already has 7 goals, my guess is he will probably hit 15

Nah we'll give him a honey moon period but I kinda get the point ... he score his 10 goals I not doubting that but other than hold up the ball and play it back ... he doh really look dangerous ... he eh go beat yuh  not super quick and unless he getting crosses and such he tends to be anonymous in alot of games.
He is def a good team player but the truth is if the other guys were fit and firing not sure he'd have been starting ... but he is def doing his job and he is integral but I mean he aint the forward to rip up the premier league.
I was kinda hoping the man to rip up the league for us would have been Walcott but since that injury he slow down significantly  :(
slow down and not getting starts
he onlt effective getting behind defenses that take a high line
most sit back on arsenal so walcott becomes ineffective

That is the reason he ent getting starts because he not showing that he making the adjustment to the teams player deeper ..... the boy have to learn to adapt ... and he so damn fast!

wenger needs to be more tactical with his players and team when teams know hat they need to do to stifle us

that said look at the technique in his goal today
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Peong on December 08, 2010, 05:49:17 PM
A couple times today I find Van Persie shoulda been selfish and taken a shot.  He lookin to pass too much.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on December 08, 2010, 05:55:40 PM
Bendtner should have been able to fill that role, but he tends to move around so much that when players are looking to serve up a cross, he's not in the box. 

For me, the game against Braga (0-2 loss) was the clearest evidence that Chamakh is much better in the air than Bendtner/much better at playing in a direct style. Chamakh came on for Bendtner and immediately you saw a difference in terms of presence and headers won up top. I not sure why but think it has to do with aggression. I seen Bendtner score many goals with his head, but for some reason when he's contesting a long ball (with his back to goal) he doesn't attack the ball or time his headers as well. Bendtner also doesn't seem as willing to go into the aerial challenges.

Will be interesting to see how v. Persie, Chamakh and Fabregas fit into the lineup. Hoping they can all start. Drop Fabregas deeper to replace Wilshere/Denilson and leave v Persie in the hole behind Chamakh.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 08, 2010, 06:02:07 PM
A couple times today I find Van Persie shoulda been selfish and taken a shot.  He lookin to pass too much.

you could put any arsenal name in there and still be fact
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Peong on December 08, 2010, 06:03:22 PM
A couple times today I find Van Persie shoulda been selfish and taken a shot.  He lookin to pass too much.

you could put any arsenal name in there and still be fact

Yeh Walcott did it too.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 08, 2010, 06:07:58 PM
so here we go got the job done finally (effing spurs fans giving talk already)

now onto old trafford on monday

here's what the team looks like

flabianski

sagna koseilny/squillachi drjouru clichy

wilshire song nasri arshavin/rosicky

rvp chamakh

subs: walcott eboue bentner maybe cesc but i doubt he plays


this aint no easy task

manu aint lost all season and have prety much full strength

however this is another make or break game that arsenal need to deliver on in the prem

the last few vs spurs newcastle chelsea west brom we were either awful all game or aweful when it mattered or awefull in the second half

so heres to hoping nothing aweful happens on monday

wil be in an Arsenal bar in Chicago called "the Globe" so there will be some nice atmosphere
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on December 08, 2010, 06:50:42 PM
VanP looked way off the pace and IMHO he should not have started. Maybe it was the fact that Song and Denilson played together (neither can hit a penetrating pass) and VanP had to come deep to get passes off them.
Nasri is magic behind the striker and using him wide right means that he is depending on service.  Why change the formula!
Arshavin is way too moody a player, talk about pull stones today.
Koseilny look good today, but Squillachi only backin back like a guyl in a Trini fete
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on December 08, 2010, 07:20:46 PM
Wenger changed up the system today to accommodate Van Persie and Chamakk today but, if the most creative elements stuck on the wings that stifles creativity as it did today. A win is a win but this system won't work against manu!
Walcott looked hungry ... good!
Gibbs got injured .... again!
Rosicky might have been a better option  in the middle than Denilson!
We looked toothless!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on December 08, 2010, 09:06:18 PM
Wenger changed up the system today to accommodate Van Persie and Chamakk today but, if the most creative elements stuck on the wings that stifles creativity as it did today. A win is a win but this system won't work against manu!
Walcott looked hungry ... good!
Gibbs got injured .... again!
Rosicky might have been a better option  in the middle than Denilson!
We looked toothless!

Agreed 100% - I don't see what Denilson brings to the team that Rosicky can't.

Wenger used the system, not just today, but in the last few games that van Persie played. My guess is that it's the only way he sees he can accommodate both van Persie and Chamakh.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on December 08, 2010, 11:28:50 PM
Wenger changed up the system today to accommodate Van Persie and Chamakk today but, if the most creative elements stuck on the wings that stifles creativity as it did today. A win is a win but this system won't work against manu!
Walcott looked hungry ... good!
Gibbs got injured .... again!
Rosicky might have been a better option  in the middle than Denilson!
We looked toothless!

Agreed 100% - I don't see what Denilson brings to the team that Rosicky can't.

Wenger used the system, not just today, but in the last few games that van Persie played. My guess is that it's the only way he sees he can accommodate both van Persie and Chamakh.
Denilson is probably the best ball winner on the team.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 09, 2010, 05:38:01 PM
Wenger changed up the system today to accommodate Van Persie and Chamakk today but, if the most creative elements stuck on the wings that stifles creativity as it did today. A win is a win but this system won't work against manu!
Walcott looked hungry ... good!
Gibbs got injured .... again!
Rosicky might have been a better option  in the middle than Denilson!
We looked toothless!

Agreed 100% - I don't see what Denilson brings to the team that Rosicky can't.

Wenger used the system, not just today, but in the last few games that van Persie played. My guess is that it's the only way he sees he can accommodate both van Persie and Chamakh.
Denilson is probably the best ball winner on the team.


really? because there are man y times he's caught ball watching or not tracking back and several of those times it lead to a goal either from the person he stopped tracking or the person assisted in the goal

for a team that conceded alot of goals they certainly like to leave it up to the defense too much
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on December 10, 2010, 01:05:43 PM
That manu team have some guns ... really!!
Anderson, nani , rooney, berbatov  very dangerous team especially against our fragile defense .. I'm worried
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: DeSoWa on December 10, 2010, 01:42:58 PM
That manu team have some guns ... really!!
Anderson, nani , rooney, berbatov  very dangerous team especially against our fragile defense .. I'm worried

ditto...but ah keeping the faith!

Big Up!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on December 10, 2010, 03:30:55 PM
That manu team have some guns ... really!!
Anderson, nani , rooney, berbatov  very dangerous team especially against our fragile defense .. I'm worried

Don't sleep on Park Ji!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on December 10, 2010, 04:23:37 PM
Funny thing is my fav team is Arsenal and my fav player is Anderson and he has been injured forever!
I cyah imagine what team Wenger will put out to play against manu ...
Title: Wenger: Let's make a statement
Post by: Bitter on December 13, 2010, 09:25:46 AM
Wenger: Let's make a statement
Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger wants his youngsters to come of age against Manchester United.
http://www.premierleague.com/page/Headlines/0,,12306~2242912,00.html

Wenger has challenged his young Gunners side to show they have the hunger for success by delivering victory against their Barclays Premier League title rivals at Old Trafford.

The Gunners remain top of the table after Didier Drogba's stoppage-time penalty miss at Tottenham Hotspur meant Chelsea dropped down to fourth following Manchester City's win at West Ham United on Saturday, which left them level on points with the leaders.

There is certainly little margin for error in what looks set to be one of the tightest championship battles for many seasons, with United still holding a match in hand on the teams around them.

PRECONCEIVED IDEAS
It has been four years since Arsenal beat the Red Devils at Old Trafford. However, in each of the seasons in which they went on to win the Premier League, Wenger's side got a positive result in Manchester.

The Arsenal manager feels now is the perfect time for his latest generation to deliver.

"We have an opportunity to show how good we are - that is what you want in life," Wenger said.

"Let's go without any preconceived ideas, not [thinking] about any weakness of Manchester United, nor about any weakness from us, just let's focus on the day, to give your best, play with belief, play for each other and we have a good chance to beat anybody.

"I know that my team will be really up for it, and I always have great belief in my players - I know how hungry they are for success and am sure that will come out in the game."

BEARS GRUDGES
Monday's match will again pit Wenger against great rival Sir Alex Ferguson, and the Frenchman insists his former spats with the Scot should be taken in isolation.

"It's always for me in the heat of the moment," Wenger added on Arsenal's official website.

"I'm not somebody who bears grudges for years. I can forgive - indeed, sometimes I need to be the person to be forgiven - but I'm not somebody who thinks for 10 years, forever, 'I will hate you'.

"Relations with people go up and down a little bit. Why? Because many things happen in the heat of the moment and you know it's not for definite.

"I had [arguments] not only with him but with other managers."

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Post by: Small Change on December 13, 2010, 12:51:40 PM
Guys, any live online links for today's game versus Man U????
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Post by: Bourbon on December 13, 2010, 12:59:22 PM
Guys, any live online links for today's game versus Man U????

http://www.atdhe.net/
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: DeSoWa on December 13, 2010, 04:15:08 PM
I am not happy with the lost, but I think we had a good second half showing...it's not over yet!

I don't even want to get into the jump kick by Ferdinand that Webb failed to call and the bogus penalty that Rooney sent to the Manchester City Stadium!

Big Up!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on December 13, 2010, 05:00:32 PM
Missed the game. Not feeling that bad about the score, to be honest. However when I watch the game later I will comment on their performance.

On another note, I'm happy to hear Szczesny played and performed well. Will continue to campaign for his inclusion in the starting line up. He and Djourou need to displace Fabianski and Koscielny (or Squillaci, not sure who's worse). 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on December 13, 2010, 05:09:31 PM
Missed the game. Not feeling that bad about the score, to be honest. However when I watch the game later I will comment on their performance.

On another note, I'm happy to hear Szczesny played and performed well. Will continue to campaign for his inclusion in the starting line up. He and Djourou need to displace Fabianski and Koscielny (or Squillaci, not sure who's worse). 

He is 10x better than the other 2 shitsnakes.... Wenger should give him a run... he's quality... he had one bad kick out but other than that he was tops

and he's only 20....good find
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on December 13, 2010, 09:22:06 PM
Watched the game came to a few conclusions ....

Ferdinand is a f**king wild man  no wonder he does get injured like a pussy.

Arsenal is a team still feeling themselves out and Wenger doesn't now what his strongest team is as yet.

Chamakk is a hard worker but Van Persie when fit is a better striker!

Arsenal needs Walcott starting he is the only direct forward we have and i think every good teams need a player that can run directly at a team

If I had to choose 6 players to start in midfield and forward on current form it would be this
Nasri, Van Persie, Walcott upfront with Rosicky, Song and Fabregas in the midfield that's the best option I see in the first half I didn't see the initiative and credit to manchester on the win but they dont look that dangerous but their central defense is very tough to pass.

If fit I would try  Vermalean and Djourou in the middle.

The 20 yr old keeper is nice he's better in the air than Fabianski ... think we got our two keepers


Clichy did better vs Nani but he needs to cut out the lil mistakes plus he was giving nani too much space it have one way to deal with Nani ... kick he mutha ass he will cry, complain and his game will drop ... doh play him soft, rough him up!


I maintain Walcott is the striker to make this team tick whether he know it or not!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Fantastic on December 13, 2010, 10:27:30 PM
Walcott can't cement a starting place for Arsenal or the national team because he not technically sound. Many of his passes, crosses, and shots are off. He creates havoc with his pace, but creates just as much confusion with his teams tactical formation. In other words, he really is still an undeveloped talent for some reason. He plays for a veteran manager at his club, and national team coaches don't seem sold on him, so there has to be a reason right? As far as Rio being a wildman.....I must admit that that should have been carded, but he had to win that ball and Sagna was coming hard. Feel it was more of a situation where he had to go, and preferred to kill Sagna before Sagna killed him. Can't support the penalty call, even though Clichy is a clown to put himself in that position. Not sure if Chamakh's handball that wasn't called had anything to do with the 2nd one being called on Clichy. Maybe if Song had more quality on the ball, and Arsenal had a pacy technical striker like they had with Henry they would win games like this. I'm glad they lost though  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on December 14, 2010, 04:20:39 AM

Arsenal is a team still feeling themselves out and Wenger doesn't now what his strongest team is as yet.
 

still singing this Song ?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on December 14, 2010, 04:57:40 AM
Scezney (?) looks to be our best keeper.
Clichy was the weak link defensively. He allowed Nani (pussy) too much space and allowed him to run with the ball which is his strength.
Rosicky and Arshavin were both passengers. Neither contributed anything offensively or defensively.
Theo does something that few others do....he shoots....and he is pretty accurate
We lost that game because of desire and coaching
I agree the pitch was horrible but that was a tactical decision, designed to disrupt our passing. It worked.
Chamak showed more fight than any other Arsenal player. His hard work defensively affected him offensively.
Wegner played the wrong team and needs to do a better job in his player evaluations, he doesn't give enough weight to fighting spirit in evaluating players
Every call went the way of United, including the penalty, Rio "Bruce Lee" Ferdinand and Fletcher pushing the ref and not even getting a yellow
Djourou needs to be on the field
Arsenal have a mental problem.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: injunchile on December 14, 2010, 05:53:23 AM
Well Arsenal found a goal keeper. In Fairness Manu Defence was tops  and hard to break down.
 Walcott should have come on about the 60 minute but Arsenal did not look like the freeflowing Arsenal in the first half. I thought that a 1-1 would have been a fair results.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on December 14, 2010, 07:14:51 AM
Gonna have to agree that clichy was giving nani too much space even the commentators say it still having nightmares from last year ...
The penalty call was crap ... thought wilshire and arshavin looked lost.
I watched Rooney play and i dunno if he has peaked as a player or what but he isn't the same player I remember.
Still have some fight but ..... something about him gone south.
Nani is there most dangerous player and the defense is solid
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 15, 2010, 09:35:51 AM
fail

tactics
team effort (cept keeper)

we choke at EVERY advantage placed infront of us

and thats why we dont win shit

4 games where we choked
chelsea
newcastle
spurs
manu

will take others to fail and probably some will but not all manu man city spurs n chelsea will all fail enough for us to scrape through a leagur win

this team hasnt tasted wins to know what is needed
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on December 15, 2010, 10:42:12 AM
Seriously GunnerStunner. Certain players have a tendency to disappear.
Arshavin is the main culprit.
Rosiky injuries seem to have caught up with him.
Van Persie I would put into the same category.
Both CB not ready for the EPL and arguably need more time. Unlucky with injuries in this area.
When you have wide midfielders  not assisting with defending you will always suffer. Just look where goals come from against Arsenal. It seems everyone knows that if you attack with fullbacks against Arsenal, you will get 2 versus 1 situations against Clichy & Sagna near the penalty area.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on December 15, 2010, 07:06:43 PM
Seriously GunnerStunner. Certain players have a tendency to disappear.
Arshavin is the main culprit.
Rosiky injuries seem to have caught up with him.
Van Persie I would put into the same category.
Both CB not ready for the EPL and arguably need more time. Unlucky with injuries in this area.
When you have wide midfielders  not assisting with defending you will always suffer. Just look where goals come from against Arsenal. It seems everyone knows that if you attack with fullbacks against Arsenal, you will get 2 versus 1 situations against Clichy & Sagna near the penalty area.


I disagree with the  2 v 1 situations vs the full backs ... Clichy's failings were of his own doing and they were one on one with Nani he was failing his confrontations and the truth is Nani didnt look that dangerous but Clichy looked that scared. Thought Sagna did ok ... Arshavin used to show up for big games but more than often now he plays poorly ... I actually don't think he is fit!
Rosicky is suffering from inconsistent playing time I'm just glad he isn't injured.
Van Persie is now getting back into the swing of things let's face it  when your best two players come on the last 25 mins or so and they're both unfit you wn't  really get the kinda impact you're looking for.
I'm frustrated but hopeful  ... mainly because I know the improvement is coming .. people don't understand just how important Vermalean , Fabregas and Van Persie is to this team.. they are the key players in the three areas of the team defense , midfield and offense these three is the core we aint doing bad without our core players.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on December 15, 2010, 07:40:35 PM
Was not talking about the ManU game. I was talking in general, most teams attack Arsenal down the sides, especially the counter. think back to Chelsea, Newcastle, Shakta ect. I eh even touch set plays.

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Post by: Observer on December 18, 2010, 06:00:45 PM
Arsenal beats Ajax to sign Japanese striker

By Cesare Polenghi

Born in Okazaki, near Nagoya, Ryo Miyaichi turned 18 on December 14, 2010. A product of the Japanese High School soccer system, he hit the headlines worldwide for being praised by Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger, the man who has convinced him to sign with Arsenal in January.

During the summer of 2009, at the age of 16, Miyaiichi visited Europe and played trial games with the Gunners and later with Ajax in The Netherlands. He impressed on both occasions, alas, during the tryout with the Amsterdam club, he was hit hard and suffered a double fracture to his leg.

Miyaichi has been often compared to Thierry Henry and Cristiano Ronaldo for his quick runs up the field, spiced-up by unpredictable feints and tricks with the ball.

While such comparisons are too often exaggerated, it is hard not to note similarities in the style of play and in the self-confidence boasted by the Portuguese superstar and the young Japanese.

Miyaichi has been summoned for Japanese national teams since the age of 13 and participated in the ill-fated adventure of the under-17s at the World Cup in Nigeria during an intense 2009.

In the tournament, Japan impressed at times, but lost three games out of three. Despite suffering a premature injury set-back, Miyaichi is now an integral part of the under-19 national team group.

Miyaichi is expected to sign a five-year deal with Arsenal and his full recovery from injury is expected by early 2011, when he will also graduate from school.

Wenger had some words for Miyaichi upon his visit to Europe, “Your home is here [at Arsenal,] get well soon and begin to learn English,” said the Frenchman, who enjoys great popularity in Japan, having guided Nagoya Grampus for a season and a half in the early 90s.

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Post by: Ngozi on December 19, 2010, 06:19:13 PM
Fabregas: Arsenal scared of losing
December 19, 2010

By ESPNsoccernet staff

Arsenal captain Cesc Fabregas has admitted that his side lack 'confidence and mentality' and that, in big games, they suffer from a fear of defeat.

The Gunners have a poor record against the Premier League's top sides in recent years, losing their last four league games against champions Chelsea and winning just one of their last 10 games against Manchester United, who they lost 1-0 to last weekend. Now Fabregas claims that Arsenal fear defeat in major fixtures and were ''scared'' of losing at Old Trafford.

"They [United] were more aggressive than us," Fabregas said. "They have the belief that comes from not losing at all [in the league] this season. That gives you a lot of help mentally.

''I'm realising more and more that football is all about confidence and mentality. Sometimes you do the right thing but, if people tell you it's not right, you start believing it, even though you were right at first.

"I think the difference on the night was that we were scared of losing but they were not scared of winning. That was a big difference that played in our heads. Sometimes we seem scared of losing these big games - we don't really go for it and we're tempted to drop back and see what the opposition do.

''We look to see if we are capable of beating them by what they are doing and how good they are on the day, instead of us going forward, causing them problems and dominating the game ourselves."

Despite being two points and a game behind United at the top, Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger, however, believes the title race is unpredictable.

"This championship remains very open,'' he said. ''Don't forget that we have played at United, at City, at Chelsea and at Liverpool, so we are in a strong position. Now the rest of the season will be decided on how much we've learned, how much we improve and how much confidence we can take from our performances so far."
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 21, 2010, 05:28:15 PM
arsenal are such a disjointed side that it makes it eaasy for team to defned against us and attack us

they exploit the left side of clichy alot yet hardly need to defend the rigth side of thier third

most of our players like to try and cut in a la henrybut they are cutting in against a back four plus two or three midfeilders

also i find arsenal have lost their sharpness and lethality in counter attacking

forget how much the defense needs to get ignorant

the whole side tackling more and collecting yellows and reds and fouls way more than we used to

fouls going up i can take but not red cards

also its useless listening to the bandwagonist backstabbing british press unless you wear a manu and recently a chelski shirt

always hounding arsenal about its foreign players or its stifling pf british talent

when i think we have the biggest crop of british talent coming through and also transferred to other premiership teams

ah well even if arsneal won it all the brit press would still think the bad guys won it all
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on December 25, 2010, 11:25:31 AM
For that game against Chelsea I would start with Nasri, Van Persie and Walcott  with Rosicky, Song and Fabregas. With Nasri and Theo on the wings this could restrict Chelsea overlapping as much leaving the defense under less pressure.  I think Arshavin needs a lil rest as well as Wilshire and we can bring on Bendtner or Chammakk if needed. Also I would start with the youngster in goal can pronounce his name Wos something because he handles crosses better!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on December 25, 2010, 12:45:25 PM
For that game against Chelsea I would start with Nasri, Van Persie and Walcott  with Rosicky, Song and Fabregas. With Nasri and Theo on the wings this could restrict Chelsea overlapping as much leaving the defense under less pressure.  I think Arshavin needs a lil rest as well as Wilshire and we can bring on Bendtner or Chammakk if needed. Also I would start with the youngster in goal can pronounce his name Wos something because he handles crosses better!

The key will be how they contain Chelsea left side, actually both wide aeas
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 25, 2010, 04:38:02 PM
For that game against Chelsea I would start with Nasri, Van Persie and Walcott  with Rosicky, Song and Fabregas. With Nasri and Theo on the wings this could restrict Chelsea overlapping as much leaving the defense under less pressure.  I think Arshavin needs a lil rest as well as Wilshire and we can bring on Bendtner or Chammakk if needed. Also I would start with the youngster in goal can pronounce his name Wos something because he handles crosses better!

The key will be how they contain Chelsea left side, actually both wide aeas

the wingers will only help contain chelsea if they do the work to track back and attack
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on December 25, 2010, 11:35:45 PM
For that game against Chelsea I would start with Nasri, Van Persie and Walcott  with Rosicky, Song and Fabregas. With Nasri and Theo on the wings this could restrict Chelsea overlapping as much leaving the defense under less pressure.  I think Arshavin needs a lil rest as well as Wilshire and we can bring on Bendtner or Chammakk if needed. Also I would start with the youngster in goal can pronounce his name Wos something because he handles crosses better!

The key will be how they contain Chelsea left side, actually both wide aeas

yeah their left side is their dominant area tho with Cole and Malouda ... that's why
I think Walcott is so vital it'll keep them honest!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on December 27, 2010, 02:52:36 PM
First Blood!

Have they turned the corner? Or will this just end up 2-1 or 3-1 for Chelsea
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: TdotTrini on December 27, 2010, 03:12:10 PM
OMG - 3=0 Gunners   :beermug: :beermug: :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on December 27, 2010, 04:03:58 PM
...congrats.  Allyuh beat we fair, square and everywhere today.  Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!  Doh say we never give allyuh nutting.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on December 27, 2010, 04:14:15 PM
...congrats.  Allyuh beat we fair, square and everywhere today.  Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!  Doh say we never give allyuh nutting.

thanks for the (kinda) compliment...i know it hard to see ur side lose as badly as they did today.   the gunners played well but i was surprised at just how badly so many of the chelsea players did.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on December 27, 2010, 04:20:53 PM
...congrats.  Allyuh beat we fair, square and everywhere today.  Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!  Doh say we never give allyuh nutting.

thanks for the (kinda) compliment...i know it hard to see ur side lose as badly as they did today.   the gunners played well but i was surprised at just how badly so many of the chelsea players did.

Ah grievin' fuh meh side right now so yuh go hadda take whatever (kinda) compliment yuh get.  :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 27, 2010, 04:40:14 PM
best chelsea players today were cech n drogba

finally we kill a side for thier mistakes

BUT

we conceded that goal too easy!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on December 27, 2010, 04:50:33 PM
best chelsea players today were cech n drogba

finally we kill a side for thier mistakes

BUT

we conceded that goal too easy!

  Terry and Ivanovic need to be on dat list, too. 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on December 27, 2010, 06:17:16 PM
best chelsea players today were cech n drogba

finally we kill a side for thier mistakes

BUT

we conceded that goal too easy!

  Terry and Ivanovic need to be on dat list, too. 

Have to agree. Arsenal caught Chelsea by defending high up the pitch, forcing errors  and finishing their chances.
Not a fan of VanP, not saying he is not a good player, but I am no fan. He is injury prone and always seems to ge pushed off  the ball.
The knock on Wenger has always been he can't make subs and today's decisions will again raise eyebrows.
Great win though, it will give them much need confidence and stop all the criticism of having a soft touch.


PS: where was the marking on the goal
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 27, 2010, 08:28:02 PM
best chelsea players today were cech n drogba

finally we kill a side for thier mistakes

BUT

we conceded that goal too easy!

  Terry and Ivanovic need to be on dat list, too. 

ivan only for his goal

terry was nasty and desperate in his defending
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 27, 2010, 08:29:49 PM
oh and we tore them apart but cech saved them time n time again we need to friggin fishish our chances

long road to hoe this season

with carling and fa cups to play for plus barca in febuary will leave some interesting results and games to be played
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on December 27, 2010, 10:20:05 PM
What I tell allyuh about Walcott?
Allyuh feel I doh know what I talking bout? :angel:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on December 27, 2010, 11:03:07 PM
oh and we tore them apart but cech saved them time n time again we need to friggin fishish our chances

long road to hoe this season

with carling and fa cups to play for plus barca in febuary will leave some interesting results and games to be played

 Stay focused on the carling and FA Cups and leave Barca outta this.  Allyuh jes' goin' to Camp Nou to rack  up on allyuh airline mileage and nothing more.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on December 28, 2010, 12:17:57 AM
oh and we tore them apart but cech saved them time n time again we need to friggin fishish our chances

long road to hoe this season

with carling and fa cups to play for plus barca in febuary will leave some interesting results and games to be played

 Stay focused on the carling and FA Cups and leave Barca outta this.  Allyuh jes' goin' to Camp Nou to rack  up on allyuh airline mileage and nothing more.


lol
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on December 28, 2010, 10:32:19 AM
If Arsenal had to make three buys this January I would like to see them buy
Fernando Llorente (ST), Alou Diarra (DMF) and Manuel Neuer (GK)

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on December 28, 2010, 08:55:59 PM
If Arsenal had to make three buys this January I would like to see them buy
Fernando Llorente (ST), Alou Diarra (DMF) and Manuel Neuer (GK)

or they could sign some u14 players from trinidad and develop them so we have a side for WC2018  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on December 28, 2010, 09:08:21 PM
If Arsenal had to make three buys this January I would like to see them buy
Fernando Llorente (ST), Alou Diarra (DMF) and Manuel Neuer (GK)

or they could sign some u14 players from trinidad and develop them so we have a side for WC2018  ;D

Hmmm that puncha creme musta been real strong ayah
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on December 28, 2010, 10:16:24 PM
If Arsenal had to make three buys this January I would like to see them buy
Fernando Llorente (ST), Alou Diarra (DMF) and Manuel Neuer (GK)

or they could sign some u14 players from trinidad and develop them so we have a side for WC2018  ;D

Hmmm that puncha creme musta been real strong ayah

I feel is de black cake.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 28, 2010, 11:15:39 PM
oh and we tore them apart but cech saved them time n time again we need to friggin fishish our chances

long road to hoe this season

with carling and fa cups to play for plus barca in febuary will leave some interesting results and games to be played

 Stay focused on the carling and FA Cups and leave Barca outta this.  Allyuh jes' goin' to Camp Nou to rack  up on allyuh airline mileage and nothing more.

time will tell

that win was one step in the right direction
wenger got team selection right

we just missing the terminator
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 29, 2010, 09:19:31 AM
todays game against wigan i rate as more important than the chelsea game on monday

this will prove it was no fluke monday  and keep the momentum moving in the right direction

hope he starts with the same lineup minus suspended cesc which i think rosicky would be the straight swap buti feel he will start arshavin but i'd like to see him bench

and see the whole team defend and press like they did

rvp was tracking back and making tackles, song made more clearances and headers in the box than koseilny has all season lol
walcott does his fair share of tracking back too plu she has the speed to run up n down that line all day
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on December 29, 2010, 09:45:08 AM
i doh know about u but i does get frighten every time i see rvp make a slide tackle...credit to him though, he giving his all for the cause.

i will take in the game later, should be a good one.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 29, 2010, 09:46:47 AM
i doh know about u but i does get frighten every time i see rvp make a slide tackle...credit to him though, he giving his all for the cause.

i will take in the game later, should be a good one.

yeah! that dutch man can dribble with them bow leg of his but put in a clean tackle i start to wince! hoping he doh hurt no one and get sent off
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on December 29, 2010, 11:00:39 AM
lol yeah I does be lil scared too with Van Persie but something tell me he'll be ok Wenger does manage him well doh play him all the time but when he get back to the form he had last season is hell to pay ... I find he not shooting as much as he used to  and he ain't as mobile either.
I think if ManU plays the team we play against Chelsea ... different result ..... different men does bring different things to the team but we have none there who could pull the strings lie Cesc ...... including Nasri.
I hope they play Rosicky for Cesc they need his confidence up again but I've a sneaky feeling they gonna play Diaby also more than Likely they may start Chamakk or Bendtner and give Van Persie a rest since the games so close together they may also give Ebouie a start for Sagna.
I'd give the young goalie a game as well .... cuz yuh really want to share game time to your players and manage them well.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 29, 2010, 12:09:09 PM
lol yeah I does be lil scared too with Van Persie but something tell me he'll be ok Wenger does manage him well doh play him all the time but when he get back to the form he had last season is hell to pay ... I find he not shooting as much as he used to  and he ain't as mobile either.
I think if ManU plays the team we play against Chelsea ... different result ..... different men does bring different things to the team but we have none there who could pull the strings lie Cesc ...... including Nasri.
I hope they play Rosicky for Cesc they need his confidence up again but I've a sneaky feeling they gonna play Diaby also more than Likely they may start Chamakk or Bendtner and give Van Persie a rest since the games so close together they may also give Ebouie a start for Sagna.
I'd give the young goalie a game as well .... cuz yuh really want to share game time to your players and manage them well.
i found van persie was mobile but not in an attacking way

different type of work rate and style between him n chamakh

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on December 29, 2010, 12:37:08 PM
lol yeah I does be lil scared too with Van Persie but something tell me he'll be ok Wenger does manage him well doh play him all the time but when he get back to the form he had last season is hell to pay ... I find he not shooting as much as he used to  and he ain't as mobile either.
I think if ManU plays the team we play against Chelsea ... different result ..... different men does bring different things to the team but we have none there who could pull the strings lie Cesc ...... including Nasri.
I hope they play Rosicky for Cesc they need his confidence up again but I've a sneaky feeling they gonna play Diaby also more than Likely they may start Chamakk or Bendtner and give Van Persie a rest since the games so close together they may also give Ebouie a start for Sagna.
I'd give the young goalie a game as well .... cuz yuh really want to share game time to your players and manage them well.

think there will be a lot of changes as well. wouldn't be surprised to see denilson and diaby in the middle and arshavin back in the side. the player who i think needs to stay in the lineup is djourou. i have no confidence in the koscielny/squillaci partnership
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Touches on December 29, 2010, 01:48:48 PM
Wenger moving like Pacho... ??? ???

8 changes...c'mon now.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on December 29, 2010, 02:03:31 PM
Hellova dive! Penalty!

Wigan 1 - Ars 0
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on December 29, 2010, 02:38:14 PM
Hellova dive! Penalty!

Wigan 1 - Ars 0

So wha'is de score 1-1 or the penalty was a dive by a gunner?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on December 29, 2010, 02:39:20 PM
Penalty was a dive by wigan. Score is 2-1 Arsenal
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Touches on December 29, 2010, 02:39:41 PM
nzogbia dive...no contact out the box.

2-1 now to Arsenal...volley by Arshavin, a lucky break and placement by Bendtner.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 29, 2010, 03:38:29 PM
I blame wenger for the dropped points
8 f**king changes to the side that beat Chelsea
The worst bench choice he made was JD big defender and sticks the chuckle bros duo of LK and squill

 ::) ??? ???
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on December 29, 2010, 03:48:26 PM
Arshavin must be the most frustrating player to play with. Dam! that man could give away the ball
Bendtner score! Yes! but seriously he scares no one.
Rosiky play way too deep in the second half and islolate Chamak.
Rosiky play 90 minutes and not one shot from your attacking midfielder???
Agree why change your Central pairing will be the big ???????

Wigan deserve a point from this game.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on December 29, 2010, 03:54:17 PM
todays game against wigan i rate as more important than the chelsea game on monday

this will prove it was no fluke monday  and keep the momentum moving in the right direction




as u were soldier  :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on December 29, 2010, 04:18:44 PM
Arshavin must be the most frustrating player to play with. Dam! that man could give away the ball
Bendtner score! Yes! but seriously he scares no one.
Rosiky play way too deep in the second half and islolate Chamak.
Rosiky play 90 minutes and not one shot from your attacking midfielder???
Agree why change your Central pairing will be the big ???????

Wigan deserve a point from this game.

agreed...also we need a backup lb/lw...eboue was run ragged this game and offered little going forward
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on December 29, 2010, 05:06:35 PM
Arshavin must be the most frustrating player to play with. Dam! that man could give away the ball
Bendtner score! Yes! but seriously he scares no one.
Rosiky play way too deep in the second half and islolate Chamak.
Rosiky play 90 minutes and not one shot from your attacking midfielder???
Agree why change your Central pairing will be the big ???????

Wigan deserve a point from this game.

agreed...also we need a backup lb/lw...eboue was run ragged this game and offered little going forward

wenger has too much confidence in some of these players who aren't that good
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on December 29, 2010, 05:11:56 PM
wenger has too much confidence in some of these players who aren't that good

I agree. But given the number of injuries in past seasons, he needs to rely on these same players in these same types of games. Wenger try to go carling-cup on a bottom of the league team. The gamble almost pay off. Plenty season left to play.

Wigan deserve a point from this game.

Wigan deserve a point because they get one, but they get a bogus penalty and an own goal. On another day they lose 2-0 quite comfortably.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on December 29, 2010, 05:48:53 PM
wenger has too much confidence in some of these players who aren't that good

I agree. But given the number of injuries in past seasons, he needs to rely on these same players in these same types of games. Wenger try to go carling-cup on a bottom of the league team. The gamble almost pay off. Plenty season left to play.

Wigan deserve a point from this game.

Wigan deserve a point because they get one, but they get a bogus penalty and an own goal. On another day they lose 2-0 quite comfortably.

Bitter bogus penalty or not. Arsenal once again were vulnerable at the back and on set plays. As a matter of fact Fabinski kept the score 2-1 on a brilliant save on the Wigan break away. The opening  2 minutes Arsenal could have easily been down. For the entire game Wigan had one less shot on net than Arsenal. On second half performance this game was even, with Wigan arguably having the better chances
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on December 29, 2010, 06:02:47 PM
Good ol, arsenal lol I understand the reason for his changes ...man have to stay fit through playing time etc at the end of the day only themselves to blame 2-1 up with a man sent off and you score an own goal lol.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 29, 2010, 08:03:20 PM

I blame wenger
I don't care about their bogus penalty and our clear penalty
Play yuh effing strongest team! Especially at back our beat two CB are LK and JD add LK to SS and its f**king shameful!

Set piece deffending BS
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Peong on December 30, 2010, 01:57:26 AM
lol Arsenal too funny
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on December 31, 2010, 05:20:18 PM
hopefully its arsenal laughing tomorrow night and at the end of the season
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 01, 2011, 04:01:32 PM
funny that same side that beat chelsea beat birmingham

i guess wengers gamble didnt pay off v wigan (no thanks to the reff)

but paid off against birmingham and hopefull this same side will play city on wednesday


glad to see a clean sheet have seen one in a while
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on January 01, 2011, 04:49:57 PM
funny that same side that beat chelsea beat birmingham

i guess wengers gamble didnt pay off v wigan (no thanks to the reff)

but paid off against birmingham and hopefull this same side will play city on wednesday


glad to see a clean sheet have seen one in a while

Ent!  Quick question. What is your take on VanP?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on January 01, 2011, 05:10:35 PM
van persie is the most skilful frontman we have period.  the man could drop deep and build the play, he could go out wide and swing in a cross.  for now i like him up top.  let chamakh and bendtner cool it for the hour, they cant shine van persie boots.



van p could have and should have had 3 or 4 today


birmingham is a nasty side, lee bowyer get away with 2 or 3 stamps
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 01, 2011, 05:29:36 PM
van persie is the most skilful frontman we have period.  the man could drop deep and build the play, he could go out wide and swing in a cross.  for now i like him up top.  let chamakh and bendtner cool it for the hour, they cant shine van persie boots.



van p could have and should have had 3 or 4 today


birmingham is a nasty side, lee bowyer get away with 2 or 3 stamps
I rate him just needs to get his form back and stay fit
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on January 01, 2011, 06:26:20 PM
On form this is our best team out there today minus Vermalean ... I told ya the players talented in the sense that men could step in and you won't see a huge difference ... on the plus side Van Persie is getting fit.... but, what really caught me today is the combination and movement of Fabregas and Nasri together what a nasty combo these two make.
I maintain if we had played this team vs manu different story .. now Arsene have to keep them fit and beating people.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on January 01, 2011, 09:39:41 PM
Ent!  Quick question. What is your take on VanP?

favorite arsenal player. left foot like a canon. wish he wasn't so injury prone.

how did djourou look today? i feel like the defence is better with him in it but he gets a raw deal from wenger.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on January 02, 2011, 09:33:03 AM
Djourou was injured most of last year and even this year when he got his chance he could not prove he deserve the spot through extended play because he got injured again. I think he and Vermelene are the two to lead Arsenal.

Outside the fact he is always injured,  I do not like VanP as a #9. When he played as a 10 for Arsenal I always felt his qualities were better utilized. Just a note when he was with Feyernood & even Holland and played wide he was deadly, yet I can't remember Arsenal ever trying him in that position. Imagine him playing to the right like Robben
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on January 02, 2011, 10:19:07 AM
Djourou was injured most of last year and even this year when he got his chance he could not prove he deserve the spot through extended play because he got injured again. I think he and Vermelene are the two to lead Arsenal.

Outside the fact he is always injured,  I do not like VanP as a #9. When he played as a 10 for Arsenal I always felt his qualities were better utilized. Just a note when he was with Feyernood & even Holland and played wide he was deadly, yet I can't remember Arsenal ever trying him in that position. Imagine him playing to the right like Robben

despite the periods when he was injured, there were many games when squillaci and koscielny were making glaring mistakes and he would not get a run. he would play the odd carling cup game or come off the bench here and there when someone was injured or suspended. and the thing is he would do a decent job, but as soon as squillaci or koscielny were available again he was right back on the bench. now the situation seems more noticeable but djourou could have been getting a lot more of a run a lot earlier in the season. if anything, koscielny and squillaci were getting extended play and proving that they didn't deserve to be in the side.
 
and its not only this season. in seasons past wenger would play senderos ahead of djourou, and since then i thought djourou was getting the short end of the stick. cause senderos would make error after error and still get the nod of him. injuries aside, i feel like there's something about his game that wenger doesn't rate. and given wenger poor record of central defensive signings/selections over the years (cygan, stepanovs, luzny, senderos etc), i really question his ability to spot defensive talent and i wonder if djourou will be another matthew upson.

wrt to van persie. when he plays wide its not in the same mold as robben. he's not a runner like that. he's more similar to kuyt if anything. not in his personal style of course but in the sense that he plays a wide role that doesnt involve running at players and taking them on. his crossing is good. and when he plays on the right he can cut inside and shoot off the left. but you not likely to see him bombing down the line and ripping men.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on January 02, 2011, 11:40:15 AM
I guess my input to the discussion is as such ....with regards to Djourou did you guys know he initially came in as a defensive midfielder and was converted to a defender. Did you also know that he is supposedly the fastest on the team after Walcott with a toss up between him and Vela.
The main problem with him has been injuries last season he was injured for the entire season, a knee injury to booth and got injured again during preseason... needless to say his reliability as a first choice defender has been questioned due to his fragility. Arsene has tried to slowly build him up with games and tried to keep him injury free much like Gibbs (who in my opinion would have been starting if he was not injured so much). Fact over fiction there are doubts as to if he can last the entire season with his injury record.
In fairness to the other two they have been thrown head first into the fire ... no settling period , they never played in the EPL and only one of them had part of the pre season and their best defender has been injured out most of the season ... fellas if Arsene don't rotate these three we're screwed.

But a wise man once said the cream always comes to the top ... this squad talent wise is so close together that it is hard to really see sure starters but this team has surely but slowly selected itself and I will say that the team against chelsea  is possibly our strongest team with a few minor adjustments.
For one thing when Vermalean is back he starts... on current form he starts with Djourou ... who gives him good speed, heading ability  and relative calm ... my only beef with Djourou is that for a man his size he does NOT play aggressive enough he just gets the job done  .... attackers are not afraid of him ... psychologically that puts him at a disadvantage ... he needs to put the fear into them .... in a rigorous way!
Gibbs to me when fit is the better left back .. despite the injuries ... but naturally I understand why Clichy is still starting..... coincidentally I saw a replay of Messi vs Real ... sigh .. Clichy has to play the game of his life to contain that lil hobbitt!
Van Persie can't play as a winger anymore because I don't know if anyone has noticed but he has lost a step!
He is a smarter more mature player now who is getting back his touch his role really is to link and play in Walcott and Nasri those two lil speed demons and complement that with some ripping shots to goal ... which he still has.
Wilshire ... youth not bad but somehow I would prefer Rosicky instead the man does work hard and have vision and technique to burn..
Fabianski has done well I have to admit but I would prefer the other keeper but because they're so close together they will keep each other honest.
Of course have to throw in meh piece about Walcott he is a decent finisher and you can't train speed like that no team with the closest exception of Bale from Tottenham has speed like that youth.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on January 02, 2011, 12:32:36 PM
Wilshire ... youth not bad but somehow I would prefer Rosicky instead the man does work hard and have vision and technique to burn..
Fabianski has done well I have to admit but I would prefer the other keeper but because they're so close together they will keep each other honest.

agree with this! would also like to see arsenal sign a DM, because denilson doesn't seem a good fit for the role. if song is injured we in trouble. my guess is that wenger won't sign one and wait on the return of frimpong.

but as you mentioned Vela, what is your opinion of him?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on January 02, 2011, 01:34:47 PM
Wilshire ... youth not bad but somehow I would prefer Rosicky instead the man does work hard and have vision and technique to burn..
Fabianski has done well I have to admit but I would prefer the other keeper but because they're so close together they will keep each other honest.

agree with this! would also like to see arsenal sign a DM, because denilson doesn't seem a good fit for the role. if song is injured we in trouble. my guess is that wenger won't sign one and wait on the return of frimpong.

but as you mentioned Vela, what is your opinion of him?

I actually rate Vela good speed and touch could finish too but ...... he is a confidence player (like most players I imagine) my thing with him is he tends to drift in and out of games alot and if the game isn't going Arsenal's way he won't be the one to turn it ... I guess he is not a difference maker so to speak.
To be fair to him he has not gotten enough games but I question whether he would be able to produce in big games... to me with him is all mental because he has more ability than his counterpart in man united yet chicha tends to make better use of his chances and Vela does not :(
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on January 02, 2011, 05:03:26 PM
I guess my input to the discussion is as such ....with regards to Djourou did you guys know he initially came in as a defensive midfielder and was converted to a defender. Did you also know that he is supposedly the fastest on the team after Walcott with a toss up between him and Vela.
The main problem with him has been injuries last season he was injured for the entire season, a knee injury to booth and got injured again during preseason... needless to say his reliability as a first choice defender has been questioned due to his fragility. Arsene has tried to slowly build him up with games and tried to keep him injury free much like Gibbs (who in my opinion would have been starting if he was not injured so much). Fact over fiction there are doubts as to if he can last the entire season with his injury record.
In fairness to the other two they have been thrown head first into the fire ... no settling period , they never played in the EPL and only one of them had part of the pre season and their best defender has been injured out most of the season ... fellas if Arsene don't rotate these three we're screwed.

But a wise man once said the cream always comes to the top ... this squad talent wise is so close together that it is hard to really see sure starters but this team has surely but slowly selected itself and I will say that the team against chelsea  is possibly our strongest team with a few minor adjustments.
For one thing when Vermalean is back he starts... on current form he starts with Djourou ... who gives him good speed, heading ability  and relative calm ... my only beef with Djourou is that for a man his size he does NOT play aggressive enough he just gets the job done  .... attackers are not afraid of him ... psychologically that puts him at a disadvantage ... he needs to put the fear into them .... in a rigorous way!
Gibbs to me when fit is the better left back .. despite the injuries ... but naturally I understand why Clichy is still starting..... coincidentally I saw a replay of Messi vs Real ... sigh .. Clichy has to play the game of his life to contain that lil hobbitt!
Van Persie can't play as a winger anymore because I don't know if anyone has noticed but he has lost a step!
He is a smarter more mature player now who is getting back his touch his role really is to link and play in Walcott and Nasri those two lil speed demons and complement that with some ripping shots to goal ... which he still has.
Wilshire ... youth not bad but somehow I would prefer Rosicky instead the man does work hard and have vision and technique to burn..Fabianski has done well I have to admit but I would prefer the other keeper but because they're so close together they will keep each other honest.
Of course have to throw in meh piece about Walcott he is a decent finisher and you can't train speed like that no team with the closest exception of Bale from Tottenham has speed like that youth.
My only significant disagreement with you. Rosicky has not been effective this season and he definitely doesn't work as hard as Wilshire defensively. The ideal player for that position is Diaby, if he can get over his injury problems. Denilson is a good replacement when we need a little more defense. Rosicky is past his 'sell by' date.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on January 02, 2011, 05:06:00 PM
Wilshire ... youth not bad but somehow I would prefer Rosicky instead the man does work hard and have vision and technique to burn..
Fabianski has done well I have to admit but I would prefer the other keeper but because they're so close together they will keep each other honest.

agree with this! would also like to see arsenal sign a DM, because denilson doesn't seem a good fit for the role. if song is injured we in trouble. my guess is that wenger won't sign one and wait on the return of frimpong.

but as you mentioned Vela, what is your opinion of him?

I actually rate Vela good speed and touch could finish too but ...... he is a confidence player (like most players I imagine) my thing with him is he tends to drift in and out of games alot and if the game isn't going Arsenal's way he won't be the one to turn it ... I guess he is not a difference maker so to speak.
To be fair to him he has not gotten enough games but I question whether he would be able to produce in big games... to me with him is all mental because he has more ability than his counterpart in man united yet chicha tends to make better use of his chances and Vela does not :(
Agree here. Mexico had him selected ahead os Chicharito showing that even they rate Vela higher. His problem is mental. He is lacking confidence and bite.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on January 02, 2011, 06:25:10 PM
Wilshire ... youth not bad but somehow I would prefer Rosicky instead the man does work hard and have vision and technique to burn..
Fabianski has done well I have to admit but I would prefer the other keeper but because they're so close together they will keep each other honest.

agree with this! would also like to see arsenal sign a DM, because denilson doesn't seem a good fit for the role. if song is injured we in trouble. my guess is that wenger won't sign one and wait on the return of frimpong.

but as you mentioned Vela, what is your opinion of him?

I actually rate Vela good speed and touch could finish too but ...... he is a confidence player (like most players I imagine) my thing with him is he tends to drift in and out of games alot and if the game isn't going Arsenal's way he won't be the one to turn it ... I guess he is not a difference maker so to speak.
To be fair to him he has not gotten enough games but I question whether he would be able to produce in big games... to me with him is all mental because he has more ability than his counterpart in man united yet chicha tends to make better use of his chances and Vela does not :(
Agree here. Mexico had him selected ahead os Chicharito showing that even they rate Vela higher. His problem is mental. He is lacking confidence and bite.

Correction Sven rated him higher than Chicharito and it cost him. Chicharito is a better goal scorer than Vela hands down. His International record show it.  Once introduced to the Mexico team in 2010 WC he scored twice (two of their only three goals). He will be Mexico's main player in the future
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on January 02, 2011, 10:23:44 PM
My only significant disagreement with you. Rosicky has not been effective this season and he definitely doesn't work as hard as Wilshire defensively. The ideal player for that position is Diaby, if he can get over his injury problems. Denilson is a good replacement when we need a little more defense. Rosicky is past his 'sell by' date.

I actually agree with the original comment that Rosicky might be a better option than Wilshere. I can't really comment on who's the better defender between between Rosicky and Wilshere, neither stands out to me as being particularly good in this department. Wilshere does seem a bit braver in his challenges though. That said, when in possession Rosicky is a much better player than Wilshere. He's better at keeping possession of the ball, he's more intelligent/experienced and is a better passer as well.

Agree with you on Diaby.

But I disagree with you on Denilson. I find that he offers very little defensively. He may hold his position but he's easily out-muscled by most EPL midfielders and often caught not tracking his man on opposition counter attacks.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 05, 2011, 08:56:58 AM
big game today

well the way manu rolling along every game is big just to keep pace

victory through harmony
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on January 05, 2011, 05:36:32 PM
Good game today by Arsenal, early on they were passing Man City to death and created some excellent chances. Once the game went on City became more difficult to break down and Arsenal dropped off to prevent the counter attack. Once again IMHO Wenger made two substitution gaffs. Arshavin for Walcott (Arshavin brought Arsenal down to 10 men) and Bendtner for Wilshire and placing Bendtner wide. Neither sub had any impact what so ever and I would argue did less than the players that were substituted. Man City would be criticised in England and praised in Italy. The English press will see it as cowardly display, where as in Italy the press will see it as a an excellent tactical display.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: doc on January 05, 2011, 05:41:19 PM
Good game today by Arsenal, early on they were passing Man City to death and created some excellent chances. Once the game went on City became more difficult to break down and Arsenal dropped off to prevent the counter attack. Once again IMHO Wenger made two substitution gaffs. Arshavin for Walcott (Arshavin brought Arsenal down to 10 men) and Bendtner for Wilshire and placing Bendtner wide. Neither sub had any impact what so ever and I would argue did less than the players that were substituted. Man City would be criticised in England and praised in Italy. The English press will see it as cowardly display, where as in Italy the press will see it as a an excellent tactical display.
How would you describe it? With the best players that money can buy against a sh1t side, I expected more from City... Cowardly is more appropriate to me
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on January 05, 2011, 05:48:31 PM
Good game today by Arsenal, early on they were passing Man City to death and created some excellent chances. Once the game went on City became more difficult to break down and Arsenal dropped off to prevent the counter attack. Once again IMHO Wenger made two substitution gaffs. Arshavin for Walcott (Arshavin brought Arsenal down to 10 men) and Bendtner for Wilshire and placing Bendtner wide. Neither sub had any impact what so ever and I would argue did less than the players that were substituted. Man City would be criticised in England and praised in Italy. The English press will see it as cowardly display, where as in Italy the press will see it as a an excellent tactical display.
How would you describe it? With the best players that money can buy against a sh1t side, I expected more from City... Cowardly is more appropriate to me


City loadin up on strikers but  still lacking creative midfielders and wing men. Silva and Johnson is where is starts and stops. That makes no sense!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on January 05, 2011, 06:07:27 PM
Good game today by Arsenal, early on they were passing Man City to death and created some excellent chances. Once the game went on City became more difficult to break down and Arsenal dropped off to prevent the counter attack. Once again IMHO Wenger made two substitution gaffs. Arshavin for Walcott (Arshavin brought Arsenal down to 10 men) and Bendtner for Wilshire and placing Bendtner wide. Neither sub had any impact what so ever and I would argue did less than the players that were substituted. Man City would be criticised in England and praised in Italy. The English press will see it as cowardly display, where as in Italy the press will see it as a an excellent tactical display.
How would you describe it? With the best players that money can buy against a sh1t side, I expected more from City... Cowardly is more appropriate to me


Very disappointed in City's approach. They played like a bottom of the table team who felt that defending in numbers was their only hope. I honestly believe Mancini felt his team could not beat Arsenal, so a point was good enough for him.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: palos on January 05, 2011, 06:46:56 PM
Very disappointed in City's approach. They played like a bottom of the table team who felt that defending in numbers was their only hope. I honestly believe Mancini felt his team could not beat Arsenal, so a point was good enough for him.

That's what makes Barca so special.

Granted, even the lowest teams in La Liga TRY to play football so it's a different mindset there, but still....Barca often encounter these sort of tactics from teams....frequently so called top teams in CL....and STILL buss dey ass.

Not easy to do as Arsenal showed today.  A perfect example of BITCH FOOTBALL from Manchester City today.  They get the point they set out for but DAMN!

Is one ting if yuh is lowly T&T playin in yuh fuss ever world cup and everybody expeckin yuh to colleck at least 6 every time yuh play.  But dis is Manchester City.  A team that has spent the most money in the EPL....with quality players....and playin scared, anti football?

DISGRACE.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on January 06, 2011, 07:27:18 AM
Not really happy with the draw but it is what it is ... a few positives from my "sh1t side"  ...

Van Persie finally starting to ketch himself ... starting to shoot more which in my opinion is really what I look for from him.

The defense is becoming more solid not only by the best selecting the best defensive pairing  available but by the fact that this is the first time that arsenal has played their somewhat strongest team for two consecutive games... Arsene has been chopping and changing looking for the right mix ... he may have found it.

We don't have that vulnerable look we had earlier in the season I feel that if we can't beat ya we could draw it without the dread feeling of a team coming from two goals down to beat us!

The substitutions he made Bendtner is hungry and I remembered last season he made a big impact these are games for him to prove that he deserves to be there .. I imagine that was the thought process.. stick in a goal in a big game ... he had a big impact against Barca last year.

Arshavin inconsistency this year is only equal to his unpredictability ..... when he produces he kills you.. plain talk. Arsene gambled on him to run at a tired wing back and exert the influence that Nasri was not doing that game being similar type players ... Arshavin has played himself out the first team tho and I maintain that I still think he is not fit or at least not motivated  for some reason.

Personally man united will be beaten I know this ... and for some reason I think they've peaked a bit premature I know but something about them lacks bite but credit where due they have a healthy lead right now but I don't expect them to hold it.

Man City .... hated them last year hate them now .. yuh cyah buy a team by name , all the fights, chemistry issues, big money recruits still playing like a bunch of pussies   ..... they hate their coach and won't play for him. Mancini cyah coach this team because he afraid to call it as it is and do what needs to be done ... difference between coaches like Fergie, Mourinho and such.

Still dunno what we will do against Barca but it ain't gonna be no repeat of last year .... now if we could only kidnap the lil hobbitt for two days we should be in it!

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on January 06, 2011, 08:26:59 AM
Thomas Vermaelen back in training for Arsenal and on course for January return
Wenger hoping to pair Belgium centre-half with Djourou
6 Jan 2011 12:06:00

EXCLUSIVE
By Wayne Veysey | Chief Correspondent

Thomas Vermaelen emerged unscathed from his first day back in training and Arsenal are increasingly hopeful he can return at the end of January, Goal.com UK can reveal.

The 25-year-old defender has been out since August with an Achilles injury picked up on international duty and Arsene Wenger has aired the possibility of dipping in to the transfer market for a new centre-half if Vermaelen's comeback is delayed once again.

But Goal.com UK understands that Vermaelen came through well in his first full training session on Wednesday and the medical staff are confident that he can finally return to the first team later this month.

The Belgium international made a huge impact during his first season at Emirates Stadium and has been sorely missed during a campaign in which Arsenal have frequently looked frail at the back.

Summer signings Laurent Koscielny and Sebastien Squillaci have both struggled for consistency, to the point that it is understood that Wenger's first choice if he has a full hand of centre-halves is now to pair Vermaelen with Djourou, who the manager believes has "improved greatly" this season after a few years in the wilderness.
Speaking to the Arsenal programme on Tuesday ahead of Wednesday's goal-less Premier League draw against Manchester City, Wenger did not reveal any specifics about Vermaelen's return but admitted it was close.

"Thomas Vermaelen has a big test this week when he starts to run again," said the Arsenal manager. "The first signs of how he feels will be very important. Should he not be able to come back quickly, central defence is an area in which we would be short, but rather than talk about transfers I would like to focus on the squad we have, and ensure everyone makes his contribution to the team's success."

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Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on January 06, 2011, 10:00:47 AM
rumor is arsenal wants chris samba - http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/football/851916-christopher-samba-set-to-choose-arsenal-over-spurs-and-chelsea
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on January 06, 2011, 03:08:28 PM
Ngozi, Stunner and Touches here is a question.
Should Wenger have simly taken Wilshire off, put on Chamak (or Bendtner), to deal with Kolo and kompany in the air, from Walcott and Nasri crosses, move VanP to the 10 position, pull Fabragas deeper in midfield.
Song had an excellent game yesterday and ManCity were so deep they really did not have to worry about getting caught.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on January 06, 2011, 05:09:36 PM
Ngozi, Stunner and Touches here is a question.
Should Wenger have simly taken Wilshire off, put on Chamak (or Bendtner), to deal with Kolo and kompany in the air, from Walcott and Nasri crosses, move VanP to the 10 position, pull Fabragas deeper in midfield.
Song had an excellent game yesterday and ManCity were so deep they really did not have to worry about getting caught.

Observer boy that is a tough one and I'll tell you why for one thing pulling Fabregas deeper limits his effectiveness because to pick a defense like that apart you have to be closer to the box so I wouldn't support pulling your most creative player further back.
I would have taken off Wilshire off, pulled Nasri back to midfield pushed Van P onto the left side and pushed Chamakk center.
I felt Nasri was kinda crowded out if he was pulled back in midfield he would have had more space to work with to begin with to move at them and create the one twos with VanP.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: palos on January 06, 2011, 05:14:37 PM
Ngozi, Stunner and Touches here is a question.
Should Wenger have simly taken Wilshire off, put on Chamak (or Bendtner), to deal with Kolo and kompany in the air, from Walcott and Nasri crosses, move VanP to the 10 position, pull Fabragas deeper in midfield.
Song had an excellent game yesterday and ManCity were so deep they really did not have to worry about getting caught.

Ah know u eh ask me but ah go jumbie de convo anyway.

I woulda take off Clichy....City had no attack whatsoever.....and Van Persie

Either Chamakh or Bendtner straight swap for Van Persie

Arshavin for Clichy

Push Fabergas further up to partner Nasri

Wilshere and Song holding the mid

Walcott and Arshavin attackin wide


Also.....I could have also subbed Fabergas for Rosicky.....Rosicky teaming up with Nasri just behind Chamakh

Or Bendtner for Fabergas...so you have a dual strike force (Bendtner and Chamakh) and Nasri behnd them.

But Arsenal not going to beat you on crosses so best you go with what yuh know.  

Woulda look like this


Sagna_____________________Djouru_________Koscielny____________


Walcott___________Wilshere___________Song (cover for Clichy)________________Arshavin


___________________________Fabergas__________Nasri_____________________________________________


_________________________________Chamakh/Bendtner______________________________________________


 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Touches on January 06, 2011, 05:36:00 PM
I felt he should not have taken off Walcott. Wilshire coulda come off and it should have been Rosicky on the wing instead of Arshavin...or let Nasri run it and put Rosicky Center.

Song was cleaning up everything.

Van P ketching back himself...he had the confidence to shoot.

Honestly the difference in that game was the miss by Walcott and the saves of Joe Hart. Also Arsenal hadda learn to pipe from outside some more and to do better on corners. This kinda walk in the goal frustrating.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: palos on January 06, 2011, 05:55:32 PM
This kinda walk in the goal frustrating.

I tell mehself the only explanation for this consistent type of play (not shooting but wanting to walk the ball in the goal) is that is what they practice all the time.

I cyah think of any other reason.  Every single player on the Arsenal team (except perhaps Arshavin) does it and it's too widespread for it to be coincidence.  It has to be what they do repititiously in practice.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: jai john on January 06, 2011, 06:06:46 PM
This kinda walk in the goal frustrating.

I tell mehself the only explanation for this consistent type of play (not shooting but wanting to walk the ball in the goal) is that is what they practice all the time.

I cyah think of any other reason.  Every single player on the Arsenal team (except perhaps Arshavin) does it and it's too widespread for it to be coincidence.  It has to be what they do repititiously in practice.




They probably need a stint at El Madrigal .....to see how to finish after everyone has touched the ball ...wont you say ?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on January 06, 2011, 10:24:43 PM
This kinda walk in the goal frustrating.

I tell mehself the only explanation for this consistent type of play (not shooting but wanting to walk the ball in the goal) is that is what they practice all the time.

I cyah think of any other reason.  Every single player on the Arsenal team (except perhaps Arshavin) does it and it's too widespread for it to be coincidence.  It has to be what they do repititiously in practice.



But Palos yesterday they were shooting alot more than they normally do  ... think they heading in the right direction ..... personally I think most teams who have that kinda ability to keep possession tend to do that though .....
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 07, 2011, 08:36:32 AM
Good game today by Arsenal, early on they were passing Man City to death and created some excellent chances. Once the game went on City became more difficult to break down and Arsenal dropped off to prevent the counter attack. Once again IMHO Wenger made two substitution gaffs. Arshavin for Walcott (Arshavin brought Arsenal down to 10 men) and Bendtner for Wilshire and placing Bendtner wide. Neither sub had any impact what so ever and I would argue did less than the players that were substituted. Man City would be criticised in England and praised in Italy. The English press will see it as cowardly display, where as in Italy the press will see it as a an excellent tactical display.

bingo!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 07, 2011, 08:44:11 AM
Ngozi, Stunner and Touches here is a question.
Should Wenger have simly taken Wilshire off, put on Chamak (or Bendtner), to deal with Kolo and kompany in the air, from Walcott and Nasri crosses, move VanP to the 10 position, pull Fabragas deeper in midfield.
Song had an excellent game yesterday and ManCity were so deep they really did not have to worry about getting caught.

i think chamakh would have been better for either bendter or AA keep walcott on he gets into the box and crosses sagna likes to link with him more than any other player

our midfeild is fluid, which is why song is allowed to go forward

as for jackie boy he needs to shoot more but i think he feels he not entitled to in the senior squad
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on January 07, 2011, 02:02:00 PM
Zabaleta wins red card appeal
January 6, 2011

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Manchester City defender Pablo Zabaleta will be available to face Leicester Ciy in the FA Cup on Sunday after his red card was overturned by the Football Association.

Pablo Zabaleta gets his marching orders
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• Zabaleta red appealed by City
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Zabaleta was shown red by referee Mike Jones following an altercation with Bacary Sagna during their 0-0 draw at Arsenal on Wednesday night, but City have succeeded in having his three-match ban overturned following an appeal.

Both players were sent off but Arsenal ruled out an appeal against Sagna's dismissal after admitting the player had been overly aggressive.

An FA statement read: "At a Regulatory Commission hearing today, a claim for wrongful dismissal from Manchester City's Pablo Zabaleta was upheld. As a result, Zabaleta's three match suspension has been withdrawn."
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on January 07, 2011, 02:43:43 PM
Wilshere: We must break teams down
Arsenal midfielder Jack Wilshere feels teams are "scared" of being ripped apart at Emirates Stadium.
http://www.premierleague.com/page/Headlines/0,,12306~2260492,00.html

But he has warned his team-mates not to "do anything silly" in Saturday's FA Cup third-round tie against Championship promotion hopefuls Leeds United.

Gunners manager Arsene Wenger has already indicated he will rotate the squad after what has been a draining Christmas schedule of four matches in the space of 10 days.

Arsenal remain very much in the Barclays Premier League title race following Wednesday night's frustrating goalless draw against rivals Manchester City.
However, they could have been closer to leaders Manchester United, who have a match in hand, after they hit the woodwork twice in the first half and Robin van Persie was also later denied by a fine save from England number one Joe Hart.

City boss Roberto Mancini was not bothered by chants of "boring, boring" from the home support after his expensively-assembled team failed to muster a single shot on target, but nevertheless left with a point which keeps them in second place.

England midfielder Wilshere, likely to be one of several first-team regulars rested against Leeds, believes such an approach is actually testament to Arsenal, who thumped Chelsea 3-1 on 27th December.

"We just have to learn to break teams down. City's approach was a credit to us and the way we play. Teams come here and they are scared and want to defend," he said.

"There are going to be a lot of teams who come here and defend and we have to learn to break them down.

"Leeds will bring loads of supporters and they'll be up for it, so we have to make sure we are up for it, not do anything silly and hopefully progress to the next round."

MANY CHANGES
Arsenal host Manchester United at the end of April, in what could yet be a decisive fixture.

Wilshere said: "We have got a point towards catching them and they have still got to come here, so it's still really open.

"When they come here, we can beat them."

Arsenal also have the first leg of their Carling Cup semi-final at Ipswich Town next week.

With goalkeeper Manuel Almunia, centre-back Thomas Vermaelen and midfielder Abou Diaby all on the road to recovery out of an uncharacteristically sparse treatment room, Wenger does not want to take any chances by overloading the rest of his team.

There will be at least enforced change as Bacary Sagna starts a three-match suspension after Wenger confirmed there would be no appeal against the right-back's needless red card for a clash with Pablo Zabaleta.

Emmanuel Eboue is a ready-made replacement, while fit again England defender Kieran Gibbs, having now recovered from his latest ankle injury problem, should come in on the left and young midfielder Aaron Ramsey could also feature after his return from a productive loan spell at Nottingham Forest.

"We will rotate. There are going to be changes, many changes," Wenger confirmed.

"I will certainly rest van Persie and maybe [Samir] Nasri. It will be another big game - you know the third round of the FA Cup is always very tricky.

"We need to swallow our frustration from the Man City match and quickly focus again for Saturday."
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 07, 2011, 09:28:49 PM
lets see what the rotation can do

because the combo or squillaci and koscielny doesnt work

any of them with Johan or tommy and things safe

want to see ramsey get a run

but leeds aint no slouch team

think the team should be

woejic

eboue squill JD gibbs

rosicky denilson ramsey

Arshvin Chamakh Bendtner
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Peong on January 08, 2011, 08:28:26 AM
Losing to Leeds 1-0.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on January 08, 2011, 08:42:29 AM
wow...what a comeback...leeds defended well but i still feel more clinical finishing first half woulda kill this game off
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on January 08, 2011, 08:48:03 AM
Classless shithongs......

I could never understand Arsenal fans and booing their own players.... OK Arshavin out of Form.. but booing the man and then Wenger take off Chamakh for Theo and they boo the sub because they wanted Arshavin off

That's the way you guys treat your own?  Remember Eboue?

I have never seen United fans boo their own ... the other day Bebe had a shocker against Wolves and had to be replaced..as a sub... and United fans clapped him and cheered him on...  If that was Arsenal they would have booed him off the field and break his spirit

Allyuh acting like Arshavin is f**king shit... that man is pure gold.. when he's confident he could be up there with the best in the prem... All he needs is some backing.... continue to boo yes.. better for United

Nasty
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on January 08, 2011, 08:54:10 AM
Classless shithongs......

I could never understand Arsenal fans and booing their own players.... OK Arshavin out of Form.. but booing the man and then Wenger take off Chamakh for Theo and they boo the sub because they wanted Arshavin off

That's the way you guys treat your own?  Remember Eboue?

I have never seen United fans boo their own ... the other day Bebe had a shocker against Wolves and had to be replaced..as a sub... and United fans clapped him and cheered him on...  If that was Arsenal they would have booed him off the field and break his spirit

Allyuh acting like Arshavin is f**king shit... that man is pure gold.. when he's confident he could be up there with the best in the prem... All he needs is some backing.... continue to boo yes.. better for United

Nasty

::)

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on January 08, 2011, 08:58:26 AM
Well well, again the Gunners put themselves in a situation of scrapping for a result. Dominant first half, no finish. Far from me to question Wenger, but my gosh his substitutions are shocking. The best decision was placing Fabregas as one of the two central midfielder.
Rosinsky, Arshavin, Denilson, Scallachi all very poor today, some may even throw in Bendtner. Rosinsky and Archavin in particular were guilty of giving away the ball.

On another note on an earlier discussion. When Fabregas plays alongside a holding Midfielder (preferably Song), many positive things happen for Arsenal. First and foremost his distribution means that Arsenal begin to play a faster passing game. He can also hit both wide players earlier and with accuracy, stretching teams. Opposition push someone to stop his passing which mean space opens between their lines and attackers have more room to operate (plus he could find them with a short pass). He can also find more space to run from a deeper positions, which is hard to defend against.  
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on January 08, 2011, 09:31:16 AM
Wow I didn't know what to write on here after that game draw .... I feel like I scribbling a journal .........really just writing what in meh head anyway a couple things. Every couple years comes a great player type ..... Maradona, Zizou, Messi, Pele impact players  ya know ...
Then you have players of lesser ability but whose strong point is similarly impacting .... that is Walcott ..... not the most technically gifted but just f**king fast in a direct kinda way .... I remember fast players like that Aston Villa had Toney Daley ..... TT had Marcelle, Nixon, Leonson is nothing you could train you just have to have it
St Marys had Jason rocke , Pres had Ruthven Thomas , Colin Osborne, and a man name "Sugars" , Benedicts had Martin Jordan (yeah Jordan but yuh is still a shit snake) , Naps had Adrian Bobb and Jerome lee Yaw.

Like I said I'm rambling just things that came into my head ... I guess what I'm trying to say is this Arsenal will never be as dangerous as when Walcott is on the field for them because at this particular point in the game there is nothing faster than that youth ... I don't even know if he will get to be the kind of player people would like him to be but right now with youth and fitness on his side it will be hell to hold him down... and barca could tell you that.

The other point I'd like to talk about is intelligence and character ... I remember telling someone that my fav baller in the world right now is Anderson .. even when he was injured and all that stuff .. didn't go with Messi because too much people on that wagon and Ronaldo is a bi - whining - primadonna ... for me to like yuh as a baller is not just on ability have to be on personal impression too ... loved zizou because he just works and works for his team ... Maradona lol is a coke head sorry to say but he was simply .... unstoppable!
So I liked Zizou but rated Maradona.
In terms of intelligence and character my fav baller have to be Fabregas hands down!
The reason  is this is ..... there is too many reasons for him not to be as good as he is ... he slow ... he small ... not the strongest .... but the boy will come on and grab a game by the scruff of the neck , get into tackles, get tackled  , juk here, juk there, juk everywhere and it doh matter how hot or pressure filled the game is and he is only 23! I saw a view of him yawning on the sidelines then he had to come on in this game (in this cold ass weather) and try to claw one back against Leeds who was defending for their life.... came on and he did well ... When he scored the penalty in the 90 min he run to the fans screaming for them to come on .... and trying to get his team mates motivated ..... when we all knew that the majority of them had settled for the draw and in some cases like (Arshavin) the loss ....... excellent,  excellent f**king player
Barca he worth 100 mill.

I watching this game eh and observe a couple things Arshavin confidence wise is shot and this is not good.... coodles for the manager in believing in him and trying to rebuild his game.

Rosicky still have touches to burn but drifts in and out of the game so his impact isn't as constant as it should be and when he has the game he loses the flow because he goes invisible for a minute or two also he likes to drift out on the wing alot ... so I guess I see why Arsene uses Wilshire instead of him in the middle.

Schillaci's confidence is shot right now I wouldn't say he is a particular bad defender but he has not adapted to the speed of the game and at 30 I fear it will be too late for him to do so because he is not particularly fast.

Djourou is getting better and better each game he wins it brings it down and plays it through his midfield on the ground ... excellent stuff!

Gibbs can cross the ball well decently composed think he played within himself a bit today because he had the whole injury jinx in his head

Ebouie needs to stop this diving shit .. hate players like that even on my team for f**k sake be a man!

Wosz did well especially with those silly back passes Schillaci give him bouncing and an excellent save on the header , really rate this youth Fabianski be afraid be very afraid.

Bendtner hmmm I dunno ..... I just doh see where he will fit in on this team anymore he have to do a lil better but it is obvious Arsene likes him.

Now to my man Denilson ... probably the most embattled player on this team .... the penalty hmmmm ... he is a bit slow and obviously a bit rusty but despite the pk he never gave up and the truth is he never gives up for his sake I glad we get the draw .... I think he is a tough lil player just going through a bad patch people only hate on him because he doesn't score more goals and such but he performs a very important role in the midfield he plugs gaps .. delays players giving others time to recover .. he is no where near as bad as people think ... I think he needs a personality adjustment like  Walcott he is a bit shy he needs to be more assertive especially in his role for the team and again its all about confidence.


Song .. umm he dye he hair  ok I get that but why he had to dye he beard too?
I worried that they playing him too much .... he need a rest his position and importance on that team might be the most demanding!

Arsene has to make the tough decisions to play players that we as supporters don't have to he trying to manage his players through ... the league, fa cup , carling cup and champions league .. he can't play his first team all the time..  and he have to give all the players time to stay fresh and not to be too rusty ...fact! ... if he lose he is a crix if he win he is a genius ... go figure!  

I glad we didn't get knocked and yuh have to give credit to Leeds they played tough congrats to them hope we give them 3 on the return game.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 09, 2011, 01:38:45 PM

Classless shithongs......

I could never understand Arsenal fans and booing their own players.... OK Arshavin out of Form.. but booing the man and then Wenger take off Chamakh for Theo and they boo the sub because they wanted Arshavin off

That's the way you guys treat your own?  Remember Eboue?

I have never seen United fans boo their own ... the other day Bebe had a shocker against Wolves and had to be replaced..as a sub... and United fans clapped him and cheered him on...  If that was Arsenal they would have booed him off the field and break his spirit

Allyuh acting like Arshavin is f**king shit... that man is pure gold.. when he's confident he could be up there with the best in the prem... All he needs is some backing.... continue to boo yes.. better for United

Nasty
I don't like it when that happens
BUT
If the team were winning for the last 6 years you wouldn't be booing guaranteed, I think Liverpool have the most booing supporters ever
Plus aren't your supporters the ones who sing that nasty song about Wenger? Glass houses son glass houses
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on January 09, 2011, 03:11:35 PM
Arshavan would frustrate the hell out of me if I was an Arsenal fan because he strikes me as a lazy and sometimeish player!He also comes off like he unfit and does bun after 6omins! I don't know if it is a Russian thing but Pavlochenco ( excuse the spelling) does come of the same way.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on January 09, 2011, 10:14:45 PM
Arshavan would frustrate the hell out of me if I was an Arsenal fan because he strikes me as a lazy and sometimeish player!He also comes off like he unfit and does bun after 6omins! I don't know if it is a Russian thing but Pavlochenco ( excuse the spelling) does come of the same way.
Kinda like Berbetov too
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on January 09, 2011, 11:25:52 PM

Classless shithongs......

I could never understand Arsenal fans and booing their own players.... OK Arshavin out of Form.. but booing the man and then Wenger take off Chamakh for Theo and they boo the sub because they wanted Arshavin off

That's the way you guys treat your own?  Remember Eboue?

I have never seen United fans boo their own ... the other day Bebe had a shocker against Wolves and had to be replaced..as a sub... and United fans clapped him and cheered him on...  If that was Arsenal they would have booed him off the field and break his spirit

Allyuh acting like Arshavin is f**king shit... that man is pure gold.. when he's confident he could be up there with the best in the prem... All he needs is some backing.... continue to boo yes.. better for United

Nasty
I don't like it when that happens
BUT
If the team were winning for the last 6 years you wouldn't be booing guaranteed, I think Liverpool have the most booing supporters ever
Plus aren't your supporters the ones who sing that nasty song about Wenger? Glass houses son glass houses

Is Wenger our manager??

I could give a f**k what anyone chants about us or what we chant about them....  the argument is about the booing of your own team players

With a bag full of sweets
and a cheeky smileeee
 ;)
you know the rest
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on January 10, 2011, 07:05:22 AM
Henry joins Arsenal for training
Former Arsenal captain Thierry Henry has started a training stint with the north London club to keep fit during the Major League Soccer's off-season.

The France striker, who plays for New York Red Bulls in the MLS, returned to Arsenal's training ground on Monday.

Henry remains a favourite with Gunners fans after scoring a record 226 goals in 370 games between 1999 and 2007.

The 33-year-old left Arsenal to join Barcelona in the summer of 2007 before signing for New York in July last year.

A statement on the Arsenal website said: "Thierry Henry is back at Arsenal.

"The short-term arrangement will help Henry maintain his fitness of the new MLS campaign, which begins in March.

"Henry joined the New York Red Bulls last year and helped them reach the play-offs, where they lost on aggregate to San Jose Earthquakes in November."

More to follow

Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport2/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/9354370.stm

Published: 2011/01/10 12:11:08 GMT

© BBC 2011
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on January 10, 2011, 07:30:58 AM
Arshavan would frustrate the hell out of me if I was an Arsenal fan because he strikes me as a lazy and sometimeish player!He also comes off like he unfit and does bun after 6omins! I don't know if it is a Russian thing but Pavlochenco ( excuse the spelling) does come of the same way.
Kinda like Berbetov too

Yep! But I don't consider Berbatov lazy more sometimish! Nah let meh take that back-Yes just like Berbatov! He does pick and choose when he will run after ball. And always quick tuh buf a man if he aint geh the ball wey he want it! The only player I think aint see him buf is Giggsy!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on January 10, 2011, 01:59:44 PM
Arshavan would frustrate the hell out of me if I was an Arsenal fan because he strikes me as a lazy and sometimeish player!He also comes off like he unfit and does bun after 6omins! I don't know if it is a Russian thing but Pavlochenco ( excuse the spelling) does come of the same way.
Kinda like Berbetov too

Yep! But I don't consider Berbatov lazy more sometimish! Nah let meh take that back-Yes just like Berbatov! He does pick and choose when he will run after ball. And always quick tuh buf a man if he aint geh the ball wey he want it! The only player I think aint see him buf is Giggsy!

The main difference is although Arsene like him, it have men to take he spot (well it taken already) so if he don't pick it up he will be rooted even deeper and deeper on the bench .... because he now competing with Walcott and Nasri for those two wing positions ... so he need to find some character fast ... plus it have a next youthman Eden Hazard who wanna come to Arsenal bad plus Ramsey need I say more.



Berbatov is a bit lazy but he's put in a better shift this season ... a bit fitter arguably United's most important player this season and he wants it ... Arshavin on the other hand loses the ball and walks back .. it's not his form that sucks it is his attitude!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on January 10, 2011, 07:54:24 PM
This is why Cesc can't  leave Arsenal !

Global Player of the Year: Xavi

By Tom Adams
(Archive)

Sometimes, statistics can obscure. They can disguise shortcomings, flatter reputations or fail to communicate brilliance. After all, no sane critic would judge Pele on the percentage of his shots that hit the target, or rate Franz Beckenbauer on the strength of his ProZone figures. But sometimes, statistics can illuminate, and cold, hard, tangible facts do serve to illustrate just why Barcelona and Spain star Xavi is ESPNsoccernet's Global Player of the Year for 2010. After all, the notoriously self-effacing playmaker is unlikely to sing his own praises. We will have to let his statistics do the talking.

Xavi calls the tune for Barcelona and Spain - two of the great modern sides
GettyImagesXavi calls the tune for Barcelona and Spain - two of the great modern sides

• Review of the Year 2010

Across the breadth of 2010, on only 24 occasions did an individual player exceed 100 completed passes in one game. Xavi, who played nearly 90 times, was responsible for 12 of those landmarks. In the World Cup, he attempted a tournament-high 669 passes, with 544 finding their target - another record. In that defining and unforgettable rout of Real Madrid in November's clasico, he completed 114 of 117 passes. If possession is nine tenths of the law, then Xavi is demonstrably football's very own Judge Dredd, no side escaping his zero tolerance policy towards enforcing his superiority.

But it is not just the raw data that makes Xavi such an exceptional player, how could it be given he is a son of Barcelona, a city besotted with architecture, where the practice of construction and presentation is equal to the importance of function. Local hero Gaudi is the man who sculpted the Catalan capital, but now a new architect is feted in the city, a player who is the inspiration behind not one, but two of the most aesthetically pleasing and devastating sides of modern times.

At Barcelona, Xavi is the living embodiment of a philosophy of quick-moving, intricate possession football that was introduced by the iconic Johan Cruyff and originally channelled through Pep Guardiola. Now coach, Guardiola describes Xavi as "the best midfielder in the history of Barca", and at the heart of the vast majority of the club's brilliant moves over the past 12 months, stunning team goals that entailed scores of passes, is the quiet Catalan, dictating the flow and pace of the game with his masterful brushstrokes.

Perhaps Xavi's crowning glory was the 5-0 hammering of Real Madrid in el clasico at Camp Nou in November, a performance that led the normally rabidly pro-Madrid newspaper Marca to declare: "Xavi broke the game with 20 minutes of genius. There is no other like him. Xavi was a cyclone. He dominated all aspects of the game."

Meanwhile, with Spain, Xavi is equally a force of nature. The player who, at Euro 2008, shepherded Spain to their first major title since 1964 added the World Cup crown to his collection in July as Vicente del Bosque's side reigned supreme in South Africa, emerging from a fractious final against Netherlands with their necks adorned by gold thanks to a goal from Xavi's partner in crime at Barcelona, Andres Iniesta. But while his was not the decisive blow, it was Xavi, always central to Spain's pretty passing patterns, who shaped their tournament and ensured the consummation of a golden age of Spanish football.

Given the pre-eminence of both Spain and Barcelona in football culture at present, it is a certainty that in years to come, the term that denotes their shared style, tiki-taka, will become every bit as familiar an entry in the football lexicon as Brazil's joga bonito, or Netherlands' Total Football. Xavi, undeniably, inescapably, is the amplifier through which that phrase booms across the football landscape at present, and will echo through the sport's history.

Infamously, when Cristiano Ronaldo was named World Player of the Year in 2008 and Barcelona's maestro finished fifth, the Daily Mail ridiculously married a picture of the top five with the headline: "The best players of the world (and Xavi)".

Now, in a year when Xavi is joined by club colleagues Lionel Messi and Andres Iniesta on the shortlist for FIFA's leading award, his genius can be ignored no longer. As the great Cruyff puts it: "Xavi deserves the Ballon d'Or more than anyone because it is necessary in a team to have a guy who makes things work. Xavi is the player who sets the rhythm, who takes care of possession. If Xavi has a bad day then Barca do not play even half as well."

That is the influence the quiet man wields in the best club and international teams on earth. That is why he is now recognised as a great of the game. That is why Xavi is our Global Player of the Year.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Big Magician on January 11, 2011, 01:25:58 AM
NICE KNOCK
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 11, 2011, 07:23:39 PM

Classless shithongs......

I could never understand Arsenal fans and booing their own players.... OK Arshavin out of Form.. but booing the man and then Wenger take off Chamakh for Theo and they boo the sub because they wanted Arshavin off

That's the way you guys treat your own?  Remember Eboue?

I have never seen United fans boo their own ... the other day Bebe had a shocker against Wolves and had to be replaced..as a sub... and United fans clapped him and cheered him on...  If that was Arsenal they would have booed him off the field and break his spirit

Allyuh acting like Arshavin is f**king shit... that man is pure gold.. when he's confident he could be up there with the best in the prem... All he needs is some backing.... continue to boo yes.. better for United

Nasty
I don't like it when that happens
BUT
If the team were winning for the last 6 years you wouldn't be booing guaranteed, I think Liverpool have the most booing supporters ever
Plus aren't your supporters the ones who sing that nasty song about Wenger? Glass houses son glass houses

Is Wenger our manager??

I could give a f**k what anyone chants about us or what we chant about them....  the argument is about the booing of your own team players

With a bag full of sweets
and a cheeky smileeee
 ;)
you know the rest
young man i agreed with you that booing ones own players is not acceptable
yet like many a rabid manu fan you feel the judgements you pass on other clubs players and supporters is not applied to yours

well you are wrong black and white

you cannot call our supporters and players "classless shithounds"
when your own supporters and you yourself engage in parallel classless shithound behavior

two wrongs dont make a right but dont stand in your glass house and throw stones

geddit? gotit? good
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 11, 2011, 07:32:52 PM
right first chance to comment on Saturdays game

and again we had a team under the cosh but failed to kill them off
won't even bother to single out anyone as they all performed under par in attack

i will comment on theo dive (the one before the actual penalty) was a dive he owned up to him and glass he did
shows we arent the classless shithounds some ppl think we are

the penalty we won at the end was a penalty, pull a player back who is through on goal even for a slight amount and its a penalty, and fairness to theo he still tried to score even when going to ground

i am very disappointed in eboue slipping back to the form the got him booed in the first place

bendtner god almighty why wont he grab his chances?
AA trying but needs a lil bush bath and some anger
vela came on and i forgot he was on the pitch
lord knows what will happen at the replay in Leeds
big up to leeds for playing committed determined team football loved watching them play even if thier packed defense was frustrating it wasnt as frustrating as our performance


well up next Ipswich tomo same team who collected 7 from a very strong chelsea
but i have no idea what team wenger will play
probably similar to saturday

wojiech
eboue JD Koscielny Gibbs
wilshire denilson rosicky
AA Bendtner wallcot
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on January 12, 2011, 12:25:41 AM
That looks the team right there!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on January 12, 2011, 02:41:55 PM
All the computer analysis in football and yet the most telling stat. Arsenal ignoring.
Not one shot on net in 45 minutes.
No penetrating passes that trouble Ips.
No hunger from several players. Bendtner & Arshavin need
to be dropped. Seriously! They playing like they entitled.

One studio analysis just said Arshavin playing like he wants to go back to
Russia.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on January 12, 2011, 03:02:13 PM
Sorry Analyst!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: elan on January 12, 2011, 03:22:49 PM
Ipswich 1 - 0 Arsenal 78'
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on January 12, 2011, 03:41:34 PM
No excuses, strong squad, struggling Championship opposition, poor performance.
This club need serious shaking up. Man like Bendtner saying play me or trade me.
Then when he get to start he look like he eh care. Sell he ass yes :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: elan on January 12, 2011, 03:43:19 PM
If you don't shoot you don't score. And of late the football not even pretty.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: elan on January 12, 2011, 03:50:25 PM
Wait this is not the same Ipswich that we rest 7 on on Monday or sometime this week.  ???
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on January 12, 2011, 03:52:31 PM
arsenal lacks real depth. a lot of these players are household names because are a high profile team but, sad to say, they just aren't that good. when playing alongside stronger players they can shine but they are incapable of leading a team. how many of those arsenal players that played today can walk into the starting lineup of another strong squad?

everyone is talking about bendtner and arshavin. i also think that denilson is one of the weak links in arsenal's team. he might give effort but he simply isn't good enough. for a defensive midfielder, he is very bad at defending.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on January 12, 2011, 04:07:48 PM
I waiting for man to say is the team Arsene pick and all that shit .... I watch this game good and proper and I see some glaring issues .......

The central defensive partnership is "always either square or too close together" they are not covering each other diagonally that is why a long ball over the top is constantly threatening that is simply ridiculous primary school  defending ... Jan Steadman   teach me this sooo long ago the coverage has to be diagonal and opening like a door from one wing back all the way to the other ... Arsenal's coverage is square  ... Messi will murder that kind of coverage.

Connor Wickham and Bendtner is about the same size except one is more experienced than the other the difference ... desire .... vs primadonna!

Arshavin needs a rest .. he is woeful and his attitude, form and effort (or lack thereof) is hurting this team right now!

I've watched Championship calibre teams and the desire and effort from their players is astounding ... You ever watch Ferdinand ... he will scream at his players .... top of his lungs to get them to react!

The 'invincibles' with Henry and Viera them fellas passionate and battling all game and they want the ball all the time ... Yorkie team ... Cole want it, Yorke, Giggs, Beckham , Lord fatha Keane .... them fellas want the ball and will battle the game out like is no tomorrow ... they would never limp to a defeat like this.

Where are the passionate players on this team? .. Fabregas was the only one trying to make things happen .. Walcott lost like you have to slap him and tell him to wake the f**k up and he is still their most dangerous attacking player, Arshavin, Bendtner lost..;. Vega come on and did what? not a thing ..waste of f**king time.

The difference with the first team is the players attitude, VanP, Nasri them boys want to make things happen, and the truth is if the second team is playing this poorly then to me its an indication that they don't want it so put the team on there that want it .. put the starting team out there ...

Sub bendtner, arsharvin , leave Vela off too because he like he have no clue what to do
No desire, no f**king desire, no passion I cyah believe what I seeing  ... just lying down like ah ol ting and taking stick! Ridiculous!
Somebody have to get vex to get this f**king team to wake up ... ah telling yuh if manure play like this somebody guaranteed to get a boot thrown at them by Fergie.
Fabregas need help without Nasri and Van P there he has no options .. none!







 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on January 12, 2011, 04:08:52 PM
This is why Arsenal wont win the league
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: FireBrand on January 12, 2011, 04:11:01 PM
Ipswich stun weary Arsenal.
By: Paul Fletcher (BBC Sport).

 
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/50775000/jpg/_50775264_011000320-1.jpg)

Tamas Priskin scored as struggling Ipswich stunned Arsenal to deservedly win the first leg of their Carling Cup semi-final at Portman Road.

Arsenal struggled against Championship opposition as they were held by Leeds in the FA Cup on Saturday - and they again found it difficult to come to terms with a side from the second tier.

The goal came on 78 minutes after Priskin ran on to a through ball from Colin Healy and took one touch before drilling his strike into the bottom corner beyond Wojciech Szczseny.

And it might have got even worse for Arsene Wenger's team but goalkeeper Szczensy saved a late effort from Carlos Edwards.

Ipwich keeper Marton Fulop twice saved from Theo Walcott and Gunners skipper Cesc Fabregas failed to convert a cross that dropped invitingly inside the six-yard box, but across the 90 minutes the visiting side team had precious little to show for their efforts.

Town were thrashed 7-0 by Chelsea in the FA Cup on Sunday, are a lowly 19th in the Championship and had caretaker boss Ian McParland in charge after sacking Roy Keane last Friday.

But with new manager Paul Jewell watching from the stands before taking charge of the team on Thursday, the Tractor Boys belied a run of form that had seen them lose eight of their last 11 fixtures with a performance of tremendous desire and determination.

Ipswich visibly grew in confidence as the match wore on, received tremendous support from the sold-out Portman Road crowd of 29,146 and deservedly take their slender lead into the second-leg at the Emirates Stadium.

The Suffolk side lined-up with the dangerous Connor Wickham on the left side of a five-man midfield as Town successfully stymied their Premier League opponents.

Arsenal, hoping to use the Carling Cup to end a six-year wait for a trophy, threatened in the opening minutes and Fabregas was inches from connecting with a square pass from the largly ineffectual Andrey Arshavin.

Midway through the opening half Ipwich midfielder Edwards inadvertently forced keeper Fulop into action with a looping header towards his own goal.

But Arsenal, despite the presence of Fabregas, Arshavin, Walcott and Jack Wilshere in their starting XI, were poor and Ipswich grew in confidence as the match wore on.

Arsenal full-back Kieran Gibbs made a decent block from a shot by Edwards after 15 minutes, while Priskin went close with a vicious strike across goal after picking the ball up on the left and cutting inside just after the half-hour mark.

The Tractor Boys created a flurry of half-chances close to the break, the most notable of which came when Wickham showed great skill to create the space to cross from the left but skipper David Norris could not quite connect with his attempted header.

Priskin had the ball in the net with a spectacular overhead volley but he was offside and the Hungarian striker missed with a long-range strike as Ipswich worked up a head of steam against a sluggish Arsenal side.

Ipswich continued to play on the front foot after the restart, with veteran Mark Kennedy exemplifying the surging self-belief by attempting to chip Szczesny from close to the half-way line.

In contrast, Arsenal's flagging form was epitomised when the disappointing Denilson played team-mate Koscielny into trouble with a weak pass across the face of his team's penalty area.

Arshavin shot wide from the edge of the box in a rare Arsenal opening, while at the other end if took a last-ditch clearance from Johan Djourou to deny Priskin after a long-ball upfield from Jaime Peters unlocked the visiting team's defence.

Prior to conceding Arsenal had finally started to build some pressure, with Fulop smothering a Walcott effort from a tight angle and Fabregas failing to convert Gibbs' cross.

The goal came when another ball over the top caught out Arsenal, with Priskin's crisp low finish no less than his team deserved.

The Gunners had 12 minutes of normal time to find an equaliser but Fulop again denied Walcott as Ipswich closed out the match to give themselves a lead to defend in the second leg.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on January 12, 2011, 04:50:47 PM
Chamak come on an do more in 15 minutes than Bendtner & Arshavin put together. I agree Walcott have plenty speed but his muscles activating long before his brain. No football brain what so ever. Still dangerous though.
Denilson, what can I say he has no confidence, his passing is poor & in truth lacks proper positioning so his tackling is always desperate.

Just look at the 15 minute mark. Arshavin (at the top of the box) plays a ball wide to Walcott who got behind and square a beauty across goal. Guess where Arshavin was when the cross come across??? That sums it up!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on January 12, 2011, 05:13:01 PM
This is why Arsenal wont win the league
Follow your team!

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Touches on January 12, 2011, 05:27:12 PM
Atta Boy Carlos...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on January 12, 2011, 05:41:51 PM
Chamak come on an do more in 15 minutes than Bendtner & Arshavin put together. I agree Walcott have plenty speed but his muscles activating long before his brain. No football brain what so ever. Still dangerous though.
Denilson, what can I say he has no confidence, his passing is poor & in truth lacks proper positioning so his tackling is always desperate.

Just look at the 15 minute mark. Arshavin (at the top of the box) plays a ball wide to Walcott who got behind and square a beauty across goal. Guess where Arshavin was when the cross come across??? That sums it up!

i ent too worried.  the goal they score was offside, priskin was way behind djourou when the ball play.  plus if fabs had score the chance just before the game woulda be different b/c ipswich would have had to open up and we woulda cut them up

arshavin needs a rest or to be sold in jan if possible b/c right now his head is not right.  eboue farting up big time, lordie. denilson will forever be average, wenger needs to improve on men like him for this side to get better. i mean gosh...men like vieria, petit, parlour (wasnt skilful but had fight that fella) used to run it and now we have to settle for this dross.


for a youthman gibbs is real trying.  i like his fight.  oh well...on to saturday
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: triniairman on January 12, 2011, 05:51:16 PM
Chamak come on an do more in 15 minutes than Bendtner & Arshavin put together. I agree Walcott have plenty speed but his muscles activating long before his brain. No football brain what so ever. Still dangerous though.
Denilson, what can I say he has no confidence, his passing is poor & in truth lacks proper positioning so his tackling is always desperate.

Just look at the 15 minute mark. Arshavin (at the top of the box) plays a ball wide to Walcott who got behind and square a beauty across goal. Guess where Arshavin was when the cross come across??? That sums it up!

i ent too worried.  the goal they score was offside, priskin was way behind djourou when the ball play.  plus if fabs had score the chance just before the game woulda be different b/c ipswich would have had to open up and we woulda cut them up

arshavin needs a rest or to be sold in jan if possible b/c right now his head is not right.  eboue farting up big time, lordie. denilson will forever be average, wenger needs to improve on men like him for this side to get better. i mean gosh...men like vieria, petit, parlour (wasnt skilful but had fight that fella) used to run it and now we have to settle for this dross.


for a youthman gibbs is real trying.  i like his fight.  oh well...on to saturday
no disrespect Fari, but offside or not, Arsenal have no right losing to Ipswich. Leeds could knock them out of the FA Cup aswell.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on January 12, 2011, 05:54:57 PM
triniairman i agree...i think is a combination of arrogance, fatigue and dont care.  wenger needs to rest (or sell) men like arshavin and bendtner.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on January 12, 2011, 06:35:34 PM
Arshavin off his game of late but, truth is, he is important to Arsenal. his contribution in terms of goals and assists this season is very good. also in terms of ability, Arshavin is head and shoulders above most of Arsenal's team.

i feel like fans are being overly critical of Arshavin because of his potential (which is understandable/predictable). but there have been recent games where his play has better than other players on the pitch yet he's been singled out for lack of effort. also at times he's been unlucky, his approach play has been good, but the final pass or shot is cut out.

i watched the Man City game when he came on for Walcott. everyone was saying Walcott should have stayed on but if you look at Walcott's contribution in the second half of that game he did nothing. Arshavin came on and ran at the defense a few times and had a couple dangerous crosses. I also watched the Leeds game and in the first half he was one of arsenal's best players (he did have a horrible second half though).

basically i agree that his game is not where it should be. maybe his fitness is low, maybe his confidence is low. but as long as Arshavin wants to play for arsenal they i would not get rid of him. true he always has this way of looking a bit unfit or lazy, but i think his body language makes him look like he's doing less than he actually is. and if this is just a case of bad form/ a bad patch then wenger is doing the right thing. bring him off the bench, play him in these kinds of games, and when his form is back bring him back into the side.

Bendtner on the other hand, he could go
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on January 12, 2011, 06:41:09 PM
It could only be arrogance because Wenger has been resting the men who were underperforming .... Ebouie is doodoo , bendtner is doodoo, arshavin playing doodoo .. Vela doodoo these men been subbing it aint fatigue is a bad attitude to win the championship you have to bring in a mentality ...
Anytime yuh touch Ebouie he falling to the ground this f**king boy must be an ivory coast thing.

If this team eh win nothing this season Cesc will go for sure .. the truth is his fellow players pushing him out the door...

Imagine as a young boy you come up playing next to and learning the ropes form Viera and  have man like Henry and Bergamp to feed and you just have to watch them destroy now .....
you look left yuh look right no help.... yuh juk it to Walcott he leave the whole defence  and hit wide or the keeper block it ... yuh look for arshavin .. he get it he lost it he walk back.... yuh give it to bendtner he control it and then give it away then walk back .... when yuh looking for help is a lil youth man next to you who learning from you and yuh defensive  mid but yuh cyah see no means to score the goal .. yuh only real help (nasri and vanp) not even on the bench because they being rested and you is the captain and yuh is only 23 ... what to do .. what to do?

Nobody eh stepping up so in your mind you have to make it happen but yuh wondering how ....yuh juk it they lose it and they give up ....... Barca .. yuh home family friends and men just juking .... and messi destroying yuh laughing having a ball and enjoying the game with people equally if not more competitive than you ..... the dynamics of this man situation is astounding!

I would hate to lose the guy really but I prefer him leave than stay with this team and go mad with the stress!
Honest words ...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on January 12, 2011, 06:43:03 PM
I waiting for man to say is the team Arsene pick and all that shit .... I watch this game good and proper and I see some glaring issues .......

The central defensive partnership is "always either square or too close together" they are not covering each other diagonally that is why a long ball over the top is constantly threatening that is simply ridiculous primary school  defending ... Jan Steadman   teach me this sooo long ago the coverage has to be diagonal and opening like a door from one wing back all the way to the other ... Arsenal's coverage is square  ... Messi will murder that kind of coverage.

Connor Wickham and Bendtner is about the same size except one is more experienced than the other the difference ... desire .... vs primadonna!

Arshavin needs a rest .. he is woeful and his attitude, form and effort (or lack thereof) is hurting this team right now!

I've watched Championship calibre teams and the desire and effort from their players is astounding ... You ever watch Ferdinand ... he will scream at his players .... top of his lungs to get them to react!

The 'invincibles' with Henry and Viera them fellas passionate and battling all game and they want the ball all the time ... Yorkie team ... Cole want it, Yorke, Giggs, Beckham , Lord fatha Keane .... them fellas want the ball and will battle the game out like is no tomorrow ... they would never limp to a defeat like this.

Where are the passionate players on this team? .. Fabregas was the only one trying to make things happen .. Walcott lost like you have to slap him and tell him to wake the f**k up and he is still their most dangerous attacking player, Arshavin, Bendtner lost..;. Vega come on and did what? not a thing ..waste of f**king time.

The difference with the first team is the players attitude, VanP, Nasri them boys want to make things happen, and the truth is if the second team is playing this poorly then to me its an indication that they don't want it so put the team on there that want it .. put the starting team out there ...

Sub bendtner, arsharvin , leave Vela off too because he like he have no clue what to do
No desire, no f**king desire, no passion I cyah believe what I seeing  ... just lying down like ah ol ting and taking stick! Ridiculous!
Somebody have to get vex to get this f**king team to wake up ... ah telling yuh if manure play like this somebody guaranteed to get a boot thrown at them by Fergie.
Fabregas need help without Nasri and Van P there he has no options .. none!







 

If I may respectfully add; none of these players actually had to earn the right to play in the side/compete for the honor of playing for Arsenal. Arsene identified them as who wanted for his team and played them after getting rid of the experienced players. He had a vision of grooming a team of young players into a mature side of winners without the guidance of seasoned professionals. What they learn is from what Arsene provide to them  and that can only go so far including being accountable. Not one  of these arsenal players is the centerpiece on their national teams but Arsene thinks all of them are the bees' knees. Arsene setting the tone for the team.Just my 2cents
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on January 12, 2011, 07:06:35 PM
I waiting for man to say is the team Arsene pick and all that shit .... I watch this game good and proper and I see some glaring issues .......

The central defensive partnership is "always either square or too close together" they are not covering each other diagonally that is why a long ball over the top is constantly threatening that is simply ridiculous primary school  defending ... Jan Steadman   teach me this sooo long ago the coverage has to be diagonal and opening like a door from one wing back all the way to the other ... Arsenal's coverage is square  ... Messi will murder that kind of coverage.

Connor Wickham and Bendtner is about the same size except one is more experienced than the other the difference ... desire .... vs primadonna!

Arshavin needs a rest .. he is woeful and his attitude, form and effort (or lack thereof) is hurting this team right now!

I've watched Championship calibre teams and the desire and effort from their players is astounding ... You ever watch Ferdinand ... he will scream at his players .... top of his lungs to get them to react!

The 'invincibles' with Henry and Viera them fellas passionate and battling all game and they want the ball all the time ... Yorkie team ... Cole want it, Yorke, Giggs, Beckham , Lord fatha Keane .... them fellas want the ball and will battle the game out like is no tomorrow ... they would never limp to a defeat like this.

Where are the passionate players on this team? .. Fabregas was the only one trying to make things happen .. Walcott lost like you have to slap him and tell him to wake the f**k up and he is still their most dangerous attacking player, Arshavin, Bendtner lost..;. Vega come on and did what? not a thing ..waste of f**king time.

The difference with the first team is the players attitude, VanP, Nasri them boys want to make things happen, and the truth is if the second team is playing this poorly then to me its an indication that they don't want it so put the team on there that want it .. put the starting team out there ...

Sub bendtner, arsharvin , leave Vela off too because he like he have no clue what to do
No desire, no f**king desire, no passion I cyah believe what I seeing  ... just lying down like ah ol ting and taking stick! Ridiculous!
Somebody have to get vex to get this f**king team to wake up ... ah telling yuh if manure play like this somebody guaranteed to get a boot thrown at them by Fergie.
Fabregas need help without Nasri and Van P there he has no options .. none!







 

If I may respectfully add; none of these players actually had to earn the right to play in the side/compete for the honor of playing for Arsenal. Arsene identified them as who wanted for his team and played them after getting rid of the experienced players. He had a vision of grooming a team of young players into a mature side of winners without the guidance of seasoned professionals. What they learn is from what Arsene provide to them  and that can only go so far including being accountable. Not one  of these arsenal players is the centerpiece on their national teams but Arsene thinks all of them are the bees' knees. Just my 2cents

Some sound points in terms of bringing them in to replace his experienced players maybe they needed more time alongside them to get the winning mentality but that's the same thing Alex Ferguson does do as well as a matter of fact all managers one way or the other does do that to the best of players Rui Costa - Kaka ... Baggio- Del piero ...... Ronaldinho- Messi ...... Scholes-lampard .. Paul Ince- Keane ..... Kanschelskis - Beckham - Ronaldo but I think yuh might be a bit harsh ... in fact yuh being extremely harsh  the only reason Fab not running Spain midfield is because right now his team is controlled by arguably one of the greatest possesion midfielders the game has seen.. Xavi.. this team won the world cup and the euro .. so go easy  men like Silva and Arteta cyah get no time either and they're all classy players .. Walcott and Nasri was both left out their respective world cup teams but are now integral parts of them.. Van P is Netherlands starting striker ... Song starting def mid, Sagna, Djourou for Switzerland .. Arshavin is Russia captain .. if yuh wanna throw in objective points no worries if yuh just wanna throw a dig .. well yuh had to take that somewhere else.

But I cyah say anything wrong with a manager believing in his players when at times nobody else does ... besides its an investment it pay off with men like Henry, Cantona, bergamp, Viera the man see something  that we miss ... that's what he does!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on January 12, 2011, 07:26:11 PM
Ngozi in Tony Adams Book he stated "Wenger hates confrontation with players!" Sometimes you have to remind players that people paying hard earned cash to support them and they (the players) making big big big money. Arshavin is a baller! No doubt! But oh shit man if you struggling no big thing, but go down with all guns blazing. The least a fan expects is commitment and effort towards the shirt, that is all they really ask for. Keown and Parlour was no big ballers, but I'll tell you this, I would want them on my team any day. Dem men would ah die for Arsenal.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on January 12, 2011, 07:53:20 PM
I waiting for man to say is the team Arsene pick and all that shit .... I watch this game good and proper and I see some glaring issues .......

The central defensive partnership is "always either square or too close together" they are not covering each other diagonally that is why a long ball over the top is constantly threatening that is simply ridiculous primary school  defending ... Jan Steadman   teach me this sooo long ago the coverage has to be diagonal and opening like a door from one wing back all the way to the other ... Arsenal's coverage is square  ... Messi will murder that kind of coverage.

Connor Wickham and Bendtner is about the same size except one is more experienced than the other the difference ... desire .... vs primadonna!

Arshavin needs a rest .. he is woeful and his attitude, form and effort (or lack thereof) is hurting this team right now!

I've watched Championship calibre teams and the desire and effort from their players is astounding ... You ever watch Ferdinand ... he will scream at his players .... top of his lungs to get them to react!

The 'invincibles' with Henry and Viera them fellas passionate and battling all game and they want the ball all the time ... Yorkie team ... Cole want it, Yorke, Giggs, Beckham , Lord fatha Keane .... them fellas want the ball and will battle the game out like is no tomorrow ... they would never limp to a defeat like this.

Where are the passionate players on this team? .. Fabregas was the only one trying to make things happen .. Walcott lost like you have to slap him and tell him to wake the f**k up and he is still their most dangerous attacking player, Arshavin, Bendtner lost..;. Vega come on and did what? not a thing ..waste of f**king time.

The difference with the first team is the players attitude, VanP, Nasri them boys want to make things happen, and the truth is if the second team is playing this poorly then to me its an indication that they don't want it so put the team on there that want it .. put the starting team out there ...

Sub bendtner, arsharvin , leave Vela off too because he like he have no clue what to do
No desire, no f**king desire, no passion I cyah believe what I seeing  ... just lying down like ah ol ting and taking stick! Ridiculous!
Somebody have to get vex to get this f**king team to wake up ... ah telling yuh if manure play like this somebody guaranteed to get a boot thrown at them by Fergie.
Fabregas need help without Nasri and Van P there he has no options .. none!







 

If I may respectfully add; none of these players actually had to earn the right to play in the side/compete for the honor of playing for Arsenal. Arsene identified them as who wanted for his team and played them after getting rid of the experienced players. He had a vision of grooming a team of young players into a mature side of winners without the guidance of seasoned professionals. What they learn is from what Arsene provide to them  and that can only go so far including being accountable. Not one  of these arsenal players is the centerpiece on their national teams but Arsene thinks all of them are the bees' knees. Just my 2cents

Some sound points in terms of bringing them in to replace his experienced players maybe they needed more time alongside them to get the winning mentality but that's the same thing Alex Ferguson does do as well as a matter of fact all managers one way or the other does do that to the best of players Rui Costa - Kaka ... Baggio- Del piero ...... Ronaldinho- Messi ...... Scholes-lampard .. Paul Ince- Keane ..... Kanschelskis - Beckham - Ronaldo but I think yuh might be a bit harsh ... in fact yuh being extremely harsh  the only reason Fab not running Spain midfield is because right now his team is controlled by arguably one of the greatest possesion midfielders the game has seen.. Xavi.. this team won the world cup and the euro .. so go easy  men like Silva and Arteta cyah get no time either and they're all classy players .. Walcott and Nasri was both left out their respective world cup teams but are now integral parts of them.. Van P is Netherlands starting striker ... Song starting def mid, Sagna, Djourou for Switzerland .. Arshavin is Russia captain .. if yuh wanna throw in objective points no worries if yuh just wanna throw a dig .. well yuh had to take that somewhere else.

But I cyah say anything wrong with a manager believing in his players when at times nobody else does ... besides its an investment it pay off with men like Henry, Cantona, bergamp, Viera the man see something  that we miss ... that's what he does!

Dude if i wanted to thro digs as you put it  I would have no problem saying it, so you way off base. Trust me i ma not trying to get into any pettiness.Yes United replaced older players with youth but the difference is United still had a Robson, Pallister, Bruce, Cantona. Same as today, there is youth but also there are older players. The team wasn't a team of 18-21 year old growing old together the way Arsene set it up.Fabregas can pull up Denilson but who pullin up Fabregas when he may need pullin up? Arsene should believe in his players but he is continued belief in some players and reluctance to spend money isn't helping the team. He has his blindspot the same way Ferguson has his. Also all the players you mentioned for Arsenal and their roles for their respective national teams their teams have and has coped without them in the teams. Song and arshavin may be the exception.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on January 12, 2011, 08:05:47 PM
A telling statistic in todays game Arsenal 3 shots on target. Dam!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Peong on January 12, 2011, 08:25:17 PM
Jokiest friggin side in de EPL.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: elan on January 12, 2011, 09:42:46 PM
Chamak come on an do more in 15 minutes than Bendtner & Arshavin put together. I agree Walcott have plenty speed but his muscles activating long before his brain. No football brain what so ever. Still dangerous though.
Denilson, what can I say he has no confidence, his passing is poor & in truth lacks proper positioning so his tackling is always desperate.

Just look at the 15 minute mark. Arshavin (at the top of the box) plays a ball wide to Walcott who got behind and square a beauty across goal. Guess where Arshavin was when the cross come across??? That sums it up!

i ent too worried.  the goal they score was offside, priskin was way behind djourou when the ball play.  plus if fabs had score the chance just before the game woulda be different b/c ipswich would have had to open up and we woulda cut them up

arshavin needs a rest or to be sold in jan if possible b/c right now his head is not right.  eboue farting up big time, lordie. denilson will forever be average, wenger needs to improve on men like him for this side to get better. i mean gosh...men like vieria, petit, parlour (wasnt skilful but had fight that fella) used to run it and now we have to settle for this dross.


for a youthman gibbs is real trying.  i like his fight.  oh well...on to saturday

No way that goal was offside. Explain how you saying that was offside?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on January 13, 2011, 06:58:46 AM
Chamak come on an do more in 15 minutes than Bendtner & Arshavin put together. I agree Walcott have plenty speed but his muscles activating long before his brain. No football brain what so ever. Still dangerous though.
Denilson, what can I say he has no confidence, his passing is poor & in truth lacks proper positioning so his tackling is always desperate.

Just look at the 15 minute mark. Arshavin (at the top of the box) plays a ball wide to Walcott who got behind and square a beauty across goal. Guess where Arshavin was when the cross come across??? That sums it up!

i ent too worried.  the goal they score was offside, priskin was way behind djourou when the ball play.  plus if fabs had score the chance just before the game woulda be different b/c ipswich would have had to open up and we woulda cut them up

arshavin needs a rest or to be sold in jan if possible b/c right now his head is not right.  eboue farting up big time, lordie. denilson will forever be average, wenger needs to improve on men like him for this side to get better. i mean gosh...men like vieria, petit, parlour (wasnt skilful but had fight that fella) used to run it and now we have to settle for this dross.


for a youthman gibbs is real trying.  i like his fight.  oh well...on to saturday

No way that goal was offside. Explain how you saying that was offside?

yes elan the replay showed he was offside, but that is beside the point.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 13, 2011, 05:46:34 PM
Wait this is not the same Ipswich that we rest 7 on on Monday or sometime this week.  ???

yup

not sure of the stats but any team that collect 7 im pretty sure will do everything they can not to collect even close to that next game so i knew we weren't going to wax them but certainly didnt expect another lackluster unimaginative performance
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 13, 2011, 05:54:25 PM
This is why Arsenal wont win the league

or anything else

when this version of arsenal turns up i just want to fire them all

starting with denilson man cannot will not track back and that is unforgivable as a defensive mid
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 13, 2011, 06:04:38 PM
Chamak come on an do more in 15 minutes than Bendtner & Arshavin put together. I agree Walcott have plenty speed but his muscles activating long before his brain. No football brain what so ever. Still dangerous though.
Denilson, what can I say he has no confidence, his passing is poor & in truth lacks proper positioning so his tackling is always desperate.

Just look at the 15 minute mark. Arshavin (at the top of the box) plays a ball wide to Walcott who got behind and square a beauty across goal. Guess where Arshavin was when the cross come across??? That sums it up!

i ent too worried.  the goal they score was offside, priskin was way behind djourou when the ball play.  plus if fabs had score the chance just before the game woulda be different b/c ipswich would have had to open up and we woulda cut them up

arshavin needs a rest or to be sold in jan if possible b/c right now his head is not right.  eboue farting up big time, lordie. denilson will forever be average, wenger needs to improve on men like him for this side to get better. i mean gosh...men like vieria, petit, parlour (wasnt skilful but had fight that fella) used to run it and now we have to settle for this dross.


for a youthman gibbs is real trying.  i like his fight.  oh well...on to saturday

No way that goal was offside. Explain how you saying that was offside?

NOT OFFSIDE

arsenal ball watching africkingain!

last defender failed to put the tackle on the ball was the man shoot with his instep right from the left! unreal thats food for a defender

goalkeeper left far post open as he was badly positioned

arsenal fault ipswich capitalised and earned it

warnings were there with the disallowed goal and after the goal denilson last player failed to track back

as a defensive midfeilder denilson is shameful
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on January 14, 2011, 12:22:07 PM
Chamak come on an do more in 15 minutes than Bendtner & Arshavin put together. I agree Walcott have plenty speed but his muscles activating long before his brain. No football brain what so ever. Still dangerous though.
Denilson, what can I say he has no confidence, his passing is poor & in truth lacks proper positioning so his tackling is always desperate.

Just look at the 15 minute mark. Arshavin (at the top of the box) plays a ball wide to Walcott who got behind and square a beauty across goal. Guess where Arshavin was when the cross come across??? That sums it up!

i ent too worried.  the goal they score was offside, priskin was way behind djourou when the ball play.  plus if fabs had score the chance just before the game woulda be different b/c ipswich would have had to open up and we woulda cut them up

arshavin needs a rest or to be sold in jan if possible b/c right now his head is not right.  eboue farting up big time, lordie. denilson will forever be average, wenger needs to improve on men like him for this side to get better. i mean gosh...men like vieria, petit, parlour (wasnt skilful but had fight that fella) used to run it and now we have to settle for this dross.


for a youthman gibbs is real trying.  i like his fight.  oh well...on to saturday

No way that goal was offside. Explain how you saying that was offside?

NOT OFFSIDE

arsenal ball watching africkingain!

last defender failed to put the tackle on the ball was the man shoot with his instep right from the left! unreal thats food for a defender

goalkeeper left far post open as he was badly positioned

arsenal fault ipswich capitalised and earned it

warnings were there with the disallowed goal and after the goal denilson last player failed to track back

as a defensive midfeilder denilson is shameful

Second time the keeper got caught out badly positioned off his line ... it happened vs manure as well!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on January 15, 2011, 12:50:45 PM
Arsenal. Playing with their food again. Watch West Ham score and set up a tense ending... again.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: grimm01 on January 15, 2011, 01:31:01 PM
Arsenal. Playing with their food again. Watch West Ham score and set up a tense ending... again.

West Ham look real demoralized, yuh could see it in the body language of the players.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on January 15, 2011, 02:26:33 PM
Arsenal. Playing with their food again. Watch West Ham score and set up a tense ending... again.

West Ham look real demoralized, yuh could see it in the body language of the players.

Don't think they helped their cause by picking up Bridge! He is just awful!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 15, 2011, 04:33:49 PM
Well nice result, maybe a turn for the better, notice how when city play football they still collect goals? Just saying I hate negative football

Now maybe spurs can prove they aren't just a flash in the pan when they beat us but they usually bend over for manu or bend over for manu reffs

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 15, 2011, 04:42:33 PM
Up next

Away to leeds we should win but depends on team wenger starts

3 days later (our fault)
Home to wigan but if wigan still suffer internal issues we should beat them possible chance for Andrey to find his scoring boots

3 days later (our fault the pressure is on us)
Ipswich at home we need to pong 3 goals in by half time to even think about making finals

That takes is is to Feb
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on January 15, 2011, 05:11:21 PM
Arsenal. Playing with their food again. Watch West Ham score and set up a tense ending... again.

West Ham look real demoralized, yuh could see it in the body language of the players.

Don't think they helped their cause by picking up Bridge! He is just awful!
They paying him 90000 pounds a week ..... if your team in trouble and you choose to invest that kinda money on him to help you out ... you don't deserve to be a manager!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on January 15, 2011, 05:18:17 PM
Arsenal. Playing with their food again. Watch West Ham score and set up a tense ending... again.

West Ham look real demoralized, yuh could see it in the body language of the players.

Don't think they helped their cause by picking up Bridge! He is just awful!
They paying him 90000 pounds a week ..... if your team in trouble and you choose to invest that kinda money on him to help you out ... you don't deserve to be a manager!


Trust me when I tell you that is no coincidence that the games we lost, we did not have our forward trio
of VanP, Nasri and Walcott playing together... with these three starting we have our legitimately most potent attacking trio .... Wenger just trying to take care of them .... My first forward off the bench would be Chamakk rather than Arsharvin!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 15, 2011, 08:35:23 PM
Bleh

So a few things worrying me not that I can do anything about the either
Spurs will lose tomorrow
Wenger won't buy defensive cover
Nor will he sell or be able to sell the dead weight in the side diaby denilson almunia et al
City will score more than they conceed
Chelski will have a surge to the end that will screw things up for a lot of teams that arsenal are yet to play
Arsenal will choke a game or two that a win would put us in the drivers seat
Arsenal won't win FA Cup and probably have messed up carling cup
Wenger will stand by his squad but have to say good bye to cesc and cue the collapse a la Invincibles even tho this side aunt win shit yet and building piles of money to burn
My patience might run out but my love wont
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: doc on January 15, 2011, 09:18:23 PM
Bleh

So a few things worrying me not that I can do anything about the either
Spurs will lose tomorrow
Wenger won't buy defensive cover
Nor will he sell or be able to sell the dead weight in the side diaby denilson almunia et al
City will score more than they conceed
Chelski will have a surge to the end that will screw things up for a lot of teams that arsenal are yet to play
Arsenal will choke a game or two that a win would put us in the drivers seat
Arsenal won't win FA Cup and probably have messed up carling cup
Wenger will stand by his squad but have to say good bye to cesc and cue the collapse a la Invincibles even tho this side aunt win shit yet and building piles of money to burn
My patience might run out but my love wont
Things ent really that dire 'Stunner. Ah goh save this and watch yuh grovel! ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on January 16, 2011, 08:35:47 AM
Bleh

So a few things worrying me not that I can do anything about the either
Spurs will lose tomorrow
Wenger won't buy defensive cover
Nor will he sell or be able to sell the dead weight in the side diaby denilson almunia et al
City will score more than they conceed
Chelski will have a surge to the end that will screw things up for a lot of teams that arsenal are yet to play
Arsenal will choke a game or two that a win would put us in the drivers seat
Arsenal won't win FA Cup and probably have messed up carling cup
Wenger will stand by his squad but have to say good bye to cesc and cue the collapse a la Invincibles even tho this side aunt win shit yet and building piles of money to burn
My patience might run out but my love wont


...look on de bright side....at least allyuh gettin' to visit Barcelona.   Yuh know hummuch people would die to get there?  Another bright side:  allyuh jes' might could maybe win de Carling Cup, man.  I predicted allyuh eh winnin' NUTTING dis year....ah go suck dat egg off meh face.... :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on January 16, 2011, 09:29:20 AM
Bleh

So a few things worrying me not that I can do anything about the either
Spurs will lose tomorrow
Wenger won't buy defensive cover
Nor will he sell or be able to sell the dead weight in the side diaby denilson almunia et al
City will score more than they conceed
Chelski will have a surge to the end that will screw things up for a lot of teams that arsenal are yet to play
Arsenal will choke a game or two that a win would put us in the drivers seat
Arsenal won't win FA Cup and probably have messed up carling cup
Wenger will stand by his squad but have to say good bye to cesc and cue the collapse a la Invincibles even tho this side aunt win shit yet and building piles of money to burn
My patience might run out but my love wont


...look on de bright side....at least allyuh gettin' to visit Barcelona.   Yuh know hummuch people would die to get there?  Another bright side:  allyuh jes' might could maybe win de Carling Cup, man.  I predicted allyuh eh winnin' NUTTING dis year....ah go suck dat egg off meh face.... :devil:

I tell allyuh already Barcelona not unbeatable (people thought they were unbeatable last year and what Inter do) if we defense show up that day we could sneak past them ... mark my words .. allyuh done stick a knife in we before we gone to the game  the full strength team as opposed to the second strength team makes a huge difference.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Touches on January 16, 2011, 10:58:21 AM
We beating barca 1-0 in the emirates.

and drawing away.

we go get tru by fluke, watch and see.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on January 16, 2011, 11:02:41 AM
We beating barca 1-0 in the emirates.

and drawing away.

we go get tru by fluke, watch and see.

dat go be nice for we
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on January 16, 2011, 11:08:21 AM
We beating barca 1-0 in the emirates.

and drawing away.

we go get tru by fluke, watch and see.

Jes say allyuh tiefin' manu game plan from a few seasons ago nuh.....make sure allyuh get de keys fuh de bus from dem, too.  As a matter of fact, de way Messi and dem two midfielders playin these days allyuh might need two bus!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on January 16, 2011, 12:30:13 PM
We beating barca 1-0 in the emirates.

and drawing away.

we go get tru by fluke, watch and see.

Jes say allyuh tiefin' manu game plan from a few seasons ago nuh.....make sure allyuh get de keys fuh de bus from dem, too.  As a matter of fact, de way Messi and dem two midfielders playin these days allyuh might need two bus!

lol I just want one bus to lock away Messi for dem two games and
I good
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 16, 2011, 03:22:27 PM
So Spurs didn't bend over but they did try their best at least manu dropped more points

My concern now is even if manu go unbeaten this season and don't even make it to 49 unbeaten ppl will say their current shit side is better than the invincibles
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on January 16, 2011, 03:29:17 PM
We beating barca 1-0 in the emirates.

and drawing away.

we go get tru by fluke, watch and see.

Jes say allyuh tiefin' manu game plan from a few seasons ago nuh.....make sure allyuh get de keys fuh de bus from dem, too.  As a matter of fact, de way Messi and dem two midfielders playin these days allyuh might need two bus!

Obsessed!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on January 16, 2011, 03:30:55 PM
So Spurs didn't bend over but they did try their best at least manu dropped more points

My concern now is even if manu go unbeaten this season and don't even make it to 49 unbeaten ppl will say their current shit side is better than the invincibles


And that will alter/change your life how?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 16, 2011, 03:56:43 PM
So Spurs didn't bend over but they did try their best at least manu dropped more points

My concern now is even if manu go unbeaten this season and don't even make it to 49 unbeaten ppl will say their current shit side is better than the invincibles


And that will alter/change your life how?
not one iota

You side is shit comparerd to that side
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on January 16, 2011, 03:57:44 PM
So Spurs didn't bend over but they did try their best at least manu dropped more points

My concern now is even if manu go unbeaten this season and don't even make it to 49 unbeaten ppl will say their current shit side is better than the invincibles


And that will alter/change your life how?

Then his side will have NOTHING!!! BAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA


I like men like chow and dem yes who does have 5 and 6 favorite sides......so whoever win, well the have it covered.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on January 16, 2011, 04:00:12 PM
So Spurs didn't bend over but they did try their best at least manu dropped more points

My concern now is even if manu go unbeaten this season and don't even make it to 49 unbeaten ppl will say their current shit side is better than the invincibles


And that will alter/change your life how?
not one iota

You side is shit comparerd to that side


true true......maybe u can buy back viera & toure from city to bring back your short short glory days ?
Dem eh far, dey could come back tomorrow.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on January 16, 2011, 04:25:12 PM
So Spurs didn't bend over but they did try their best at least manu dropped more points

My concern now is even if manu go unbeaten this season and don't even make it to 49 unbeaten ppl will say their current shit side is better than the invincibles


And that will alter/change your life how?
not one iota

You side is shit comparerd to that side


You are the only one making comparisons! Sounds like you have been waking up in cold sweats at night!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on January 16, 2011, 04:26:55 PM
So Spurs didn't bend over but they did try their best at least manu dropped more points

My concern now is even if manu go unbeaten this season and don't even make it to 49 unbeaten ppl will say their current shit side is better than the invincibles


And that will alter/change your life how?

Then his side will have NOTHING!!! BAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA


I like men like chow and dem yes who does have 5 and 6 favorite sides......so whoever win, well the have it covered.


Part of being a member of the ABU club!  ;D :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on January 16, 2011, 06:05:36 PM
So Spurs didn't bend over but they did try their best at least manu dropped more points

My concern now is even if manu go unbeaten this season and don't even make it to 49 unbeaten ppl will say their current shit side is better than the invincibles


And that will alter/change your life how?

Then his side will have NOTHING!!! BAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA


I like men like chow and dem yes who does have 5 and 6 favorite sides......so whoever win, well the have it covered.


I only have ONE side in de EPL, Hoss....watch yuh mout'!  If Chelsea doh win I eh have nutting covered!
All my other English teams like Crystal Palace and Nottingham Forest in de lower divisions.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 17, 2011, 06:31:58 PM
will wenger buy? 2 weeks left

tick tock

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: triniairman on January 17, 2011, 06:46:56 PM
So Spurs didn't bend over but they did try their best at least manu dropped more points

My concern now is even if manu go unbeaten this season and don't even make it to 49 unbeaten ppl will say their current shit side is better than the invincibles


And that will alter/change your life how?
not one iota

You side is shit comparerd to that side

and your current side is shit compare to any team
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 17, 2011, 07:43:54 PM
So Spurs didn't bend over but they did try their best at least manu dropped more points

My concern now is even if manu go unbeaten this season and don't even make it to 49 unbeaten ppl will say their current shit side is better than the invincibles


And that will alter/change your life how?
not one iota

You side is shit comparerd to that side

and your current side is shit compare to any team

well any team who finished above them the last 6 years

but we all know manu is shit because their fans are usually classless and addicted to the over hype
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on January 17, 2011, 07:58:19 PM
So Spurs didn't bend over but they did try their best at least manu dropped more points

My concern now is even if manu go unbeaten this season and don't even make it to 49 unbeaten ppl will say their current shit side is better than the invincibles


And that will alter/change your life how?
not one iota

You side is shit comparerd to that side

and your current side is shit compare to any team

well any team who finished above them the last 6 years

but we all know manu is shit because their fans are usually classless and addicted to the over hype

 :rotfl: the green eyed monster comes shining through once again.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: D.H.W on January 17, 2011, 08:26:24 PM
So Spurs didn't bend over but they did try their best at least manu dropped more points

My concern now is even if manu go unbeaten this season and don't even make it to 49 unbeaten ppl will say their current shit side is better than the invincibles


And that will alter/change your life how?
not one iota

You side is shit comparerd to that side

and your current side is shit compare to any team

well any team who finished above them the last 6 years

but we all know manu is shit because their fans are usually classless and addicted to the over hype

:heehee: spoken like a true hater lol
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 17, 2011, 08:47:33 PM
i dont hate manu

i dislike their fans a lot
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 18, 2011, 10:26:59 PM
lets see if we can get to the next stage of the fa cup
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 19, 2011, 06:06:55 PM
sweet 4th round here we come

but jesus h christ what does AA need to do to score

and besides his nice cross for rvp i want bendtner gone
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on January 19, 2011, 06:19:53 PM
We beating barca 1-0 in the emirates.

and drawing away.

we go get tru by fluke, watch and see.

Jes say allyuh tiefin' manu game plan from a few seasons ago nuh.....make sure allyuh get de keys fuh de bus from dem, too.  As a matter of fact, de way Messi and dem two midfielders playin these days allyuh might need two bus!

Didnt Chelsea adopt the blueprint as well in 08/09 semi?

0-0 away and almost held out for the 1-0 at home?  but Iniesta broke your hearts

Our gameplan worked in that semi... we didnt give them space or too much time on the ball... we limited their chances... we missed a penalty and beat them 1-0 without Rooney in the 2nd leg ... yea we lost to them the next year but that is a Final and a one off game where you dont have a second chance..

but over 2 legs I would say United and Chelsea are the only teams with a midfield and defense that can contain Barca and be able to beat them with their strikeforce and counterattack.... Inter on their day too... Madrid Arsenal AC Milan Bayern dont have enough steel to do it...


Give me Valencia and Hargreaves tomorrow and I could set my United team into a formation to beat Barca... wouldnt be easy but it is do-able

Allyuh really expect Wilshere and Denilson to be able to do a job over 2 legs ? even Song lol? Only Cesc can run among them.. and you need 2 hard ballers behind him to have a chance.. not kid Jack and shithong Denilson and sometimes good Song... Midfield is they key vs Barca in my opinion... even the wingers have alot of work to do... Arshavin and he lazy self and no brain Theo

I hope Arsenal knock them out but I not seeing it at all






Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on January 19, 2011, 07:29:49 PM
We beating barca 1-0 in the emirates.

and drawing away.

we go get tru by fluke, watch and see.

Jes say allyuh tiefin' manu game plan from a few seasons ago nuh.....make sure allyuh get de keys fuh de bus from dem, too.  As a matter of fact, de way Messi and dem two midfielders playin these days allyuh might need two bus!

Didnt Chelsea adopt the blueprint as well in 08/09 semi?

0-0 away and almost held out for the 1-0 at home?  but Iniesta broke your hearts

Our gameplan worked in that semi... we didnt give them space or too much time on the ball... we limited their chances... we missed a penalty and beat them 1-0 without Rooney in the 2nd leg ... yea we lost to them the next year but that is a Final and a one off game where you dont have a second chance..

but over 2 legs I would say United and Chelsea are the only teams with a midfield and defense that can contain Barca and be able to beat them with their strikeforce and counterattack.... Inter on their day too... Madrid Arsenal AC Milan Bayern dont have enough steel to do it...


Give me Valencia and Hargreaves tomorrow and I could set my United team into a formation to beat Barca... wouldnt be easy but it is do-able

Allyuh really expect Wilshere and Denilson to be able to do a job over 2 legs ? even Song lol? Only Cesc can run among them.. and you need 2 hard ballers behind him to have a chance.. not kid Jack and shithong Denilson and sometimes good Song... Midfield is they key vs Barca in my opinion... even the wingers have alot of work to do... Arshavin and he lazy self and no brain Theo

I hope Arsenal knock them out but I not seeing it at all



I eh wah jump in eh but since i already hit the post button I might as well...

I doh wah yuh sell this team short ... Song might be one of the best def mids in the game right now ...Fab is Fab, Nasri eh no slouch ... Van Persie ketching back he form and the same duncey head Theo ... is the same one who had barca bawling last year .. like yuh forget plus Wilshire does pull he weight... ... as always the def suspect cyah deny that but "this" starting Arsenal team and I eh mean the arsenal that was in group stages where they was still searching for dey starters ... "the starting 11 now" anytime they play is a match for anyone ... last year song was in the defense fus we had injuries .. I feel we go beat them!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on January 19, 2011, 07:39:09 PM
No doubt this is one of the best Arsenal teams since 04'...  but I reckon your midfield isnt strong enough and your defense is no way in hell strong enough to match up against Barca...

just because allyuh beat Chelsea in a bad patch dont mean Wenger finally convert the youths into a title winning team... Arsenal are the same team that lost at home to Newcastle, West Brom and Spurs and didnt make a note vs United....also drew with Leeds at home and lost to Ipswich away.... seems a bit of false pretense

I think yall in for a rude awakening...  but Football is not played on paper so it all depends on 180 minutes of technical ability and heart

Good luck...I want Barca out... time for them to be brought back down to earth... even though I honestly think only United and Chelsea can do it

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 20, 2011, 08:50:05 PM
No doubt this is one of the best Arsenal teams since 04'...  but I reckon your midfield isnt strong enough and your defense is no way in hell strong enough to match up against Barca...

just because allyuh beat Chelsea in a bad patch dont mean Wenger finally convert the youths into a title winning team... Arsenal are the same team that lost at home to Newcastle, West Brom and Spurs and didnt make a note vs United....also drew with Leeds at home and lost to Ipswich away.... seems a bit of false pretense

I think yall in for a rude awakening...  but Football is not played on paper so it all depends on 180 minutes of technical ability and heart

Good luck...I want Barca out... time for them to be brought back down to earth... even though I honestly think only United and Chelsea can do it



ah yes slightly more constructive conversation i like it

small mag

we are by no means on a high because we beat chelski
the loss to newcastle and west brom were the result of the team turning up sometimes and just not doing it
the same way when we went up north to you lot, you had to defend and defended well and got that lucky goal
the spurs loss was really down to that penalty in the end

everyone know arsenal runs hot n cold, that's the reason why they give their fans anxiety and their critics fuel
especially after the last set of games
but when the full team is out and up for it we can beat anyone
that full team is:
fabianski/cheesey
sagna vermaalen joahn/laurent clicy/gibbs
cesc song nasri/wilshire
Walcott RVP AA

denilson annoys the hell out of me with his lazy play as a def mid
diaby is just frustrating

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on January 20, 2011, 10:20:55 PM
No doubt this is one of the best Arsenal teams since 04'...  but I reckon your midfield isnt strong enough and your defense is no way in hell strong enough to match up against Barca...

just because allyuh beat Chelsea in a bad patch dont mean Wenger finally convert the youths into a title winning team... Arsenal are the same team that lost at home to Newcastle, West Brom and Spurs and didnt make a note vs United....also drew with Leeds at home and lost to Ipswich away.... seems a bit of false pretense

I think yall in for a rude awakening...  but Football is not played on paper so it all depends on 180 minutes of technical ability and heart

Good luck...I want Barca out... time for them to be brought back down to earth... even though I honestly think only United and Chelsea can do it



ah yes slightly more constructive conversation i like it

small mag

we are by no means on a high because we beat chelski
the loss to newcastle and west brom were the result of the team turning up sometimes and just not doing it
the same way when we went up north to you lot, you had to defend and defended well and got that lucky goal
the spurs loss was really down to that penalty in the end

everyone know arsenal runs hot n cold, that's the reason why they give their fans anxiety and their critics fuel
especially after the last set of games
but when the full team is out and up for it we can beat anyone
that full team is:
fabianski/cheesey
sagna vermaalen joahn/laurent clicy/gibbs
cesc song nasri/wilshire
Walcott RVP AA

denilson annoys the hell out of me with his lazy play as a def mid
diaby is just frustrating



Nasri as an either or with Jack boyo?

Arsenal best line up they can put out vs Barca in my opinion..

The young Pole(Szeceny or however his name is spelt)

Sagna
Djourou
Koscielny
Clichy

Walcott
Song
Cesc
Wilshere
Nasri

VP

Vermaleen out till late March ent?

Sorry but that starting XI looking real soft still to do a job... it have quality but mental strength and experience going to come into play and I cant see it


As a United Fan I thought our team is weak this season and lacking 2 world class players in midfield... that is the reality but our current crop seems significantly higher than that Arsenal team I posted.. I cant see us losing to Arsenal(we've won 5 and drew 1 in the last 6 games) and I dont think a team with the quality of Barca have anything to fear vs Arsenal...  it could be a bloodbath

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on January 20, 2011, 10:52:16 PM
That team dey will beat both Barca and ManU! When we played ManU ... Djourou didn't play or Walcott and Van Persie and Fabregas were just coming back off injury and they played the last 20 minutes ..... and you guys managed to scrape by 1-0 at home ... trust me when I tell you ..... you not sure that Man U could beat Arsenal when these 4 starters are on the pitch whether you wanna believe it or not. Man U tough defensively but offensively they haven't gotten it together as a team but they have some talented individuals ..... but I don't rate their team obviously as high as you do and you'll see why a lil later in the season.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on January 21, 2011, 08:12:44 AM
That team dey will beat both Barca and ManU! When we played ManU ... Djourou didn't play or Walcott and Van Persie and Fabregas were just coming back off injury and they played the last 20 minutes ..... and you guys managed to scrape by 1-0 at home ... trust me when I tell you ..... you not sure that Man U could beat Arsenal when these 4 starters are on the pitch whether you wanna believe it or not. Man U tough defensively but offensively they haven't gotten it together as a team but they have some talented individuals ..... but I don't rate their team obviously as high as you do and you'll see why a lil later in the season.

I think it is our formation that we use against Arsenal.. we play a little out of character vs Arsenal at Home..since we started using the 4-5-1 vs Arsenal... we drew 0-0, won 1-0 twice and 2-1 last season

take it to the Emirates and we've won the last 2 meetings 3-1.... and looked supreme in both

my theory is at home United players dont have as much concentration as they would away to Arsenal because at home we like to attack and entertain the crowd and that is all good but when we leave gaps  against good possesion teams they can hurt you... If we open up to Arsenal we can pay the price... but when we go away everyone knows the gameplan.. the formation will quiet the fans and frustrate them too and the Arsenal players... and we will score on the counter after absorbing pressure because our midfielders and defenders are good at it and we have the required pace to attack with Nani Rooney Park leading the 3 with Anderson being the driving force behind them...

Fergie has found the formation and starting XI to beat Arsenal home and away.. and it isnt just fluke.. we have won 5 in a row

Once these guys starting... Arsenal cannot beat United

VDS

Rafael
Rio
Vidic
Evra

Fletcher
Carrick/Scholes
Ando

Nani
Rooney
Park





Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on January 21, 2011, 10:22:52 AM
That team dey will beat both Barca and ManU! When we played ManU ... Djourou didn't play or Walcott and Van Persie and Fabregas were just coming back off injury and they played the last 20 minutes ..... and you guys managed to scrape by 1-0 at home ... trust me when I tell you ..... you not sure that Man U could beat Arsenal when these 4 starters are on the pitch whether you wanna believe it or not. Man U tough defensively but offensively they haven't gotten it together as a team but they have some talented individuals ..... but I don't rate their team obviously as high as you do and you'll see why a lil later in the season.

I think it is our formation that we use against Arsenal.. we play a little out of character vs Arsenal at Home..since we started using the 4-5-1 vs Arsenal... we drew 0-0, won 1-0 twice and 2-1 last season

take it to the Emirates and we've won the last 2 meetings 3-1.... and looked supreme in both

my theory is at home United players dont have as much concentration as they would away to Arsenal because at home we like to attack and entertain the crowd and that is all good but when we leave gaps  against good possesion teams they can hurt you... If we open up to Arsenal we can pay the price... but when we go away everyone knows the gameplan.. the formation will quiet the fans and frustrate them too and the Arsenal players... and we will score on the counter after absorbing pressure because our midfielders and defenders are good at it and we have the required pace to attack with Nani Rooney Park leading the 3 with Anderson being the driving force behind them...

Fergie has found the formation and starting XI to beat Arsenal home and away.. and it isnt just fluke.. we have won 5 in a row

Once these guys starting... Arsenal cannot beat United

VDS

Rafael
Rio
Vidic
Evra

Fletcher
Carrick/Scholes
Ando

Nani
Rooney
Park







You leaving out Berba?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on January 21, 2011, 01:19:15 PM
That team dey will beat both Barca and ManU! When we played ManU ... Djourou didn't play or Walcott and Van Persie and Fabregas were just coming back off injury and they played the last 20 minutes ..... and you guys managed to scrape by 1-0 at home ... trust me when I tell you ..... you not sure that Man U could beat Arsenal when these 4 starters are on the pitch whether you wanna believe it or not. Man U tough defensively but offensively they haven't gotten it together as a team but they have some talented individuals ..... but I don't rate their team obviously as high as you do and you'll see why a lil later in the season.

I think it is our formation that we use against Arsenal.. we play a little out of character vs Arsenal at Home..since we started using the 4-5-1 vs Arsenal... we drew 0-0, won 1-0 twice and 2-1 last season

take it to the Emirates and we've won the last 2 meetings 3-1.... and looked supreme in both

my theory is at home United players dont have as much concentration as they would away to Arsenal because at home we like to attack and entertain the crowd and that is all good but when we leave gaps  against good possesion teams they can hurt you... If we open up to Arsenal we can pay the price... but when we go away everyone knows the gameplan.. the formation will quiet the fans and frustrate them too and the Arsenal players... and we will score on the counter after absorbing pressure because our midfielders and defenders are good at it and we have the required pace to attack with Nani Rooney Park leading the 3 with Anderson being the driving force behind them...

Fergie has found the formation and starting XI to beat Arsenal home and away.. and it isnt just fluke.. we have won 5 in a row

Once these guys starting... Arsenal cannot beat United

VDS

Rafael
Rio
Vidic
Evra

Fletcher
Carrick/Scholes
Ando

Nani
Rooney
Park







You leaving out Berba?

Yes.. We havent used Berba from the start vs Arsenal in 5 games and won all(1-0 this season, 2-1 and 3-1 last season , 1-0 and 3-1 in the CL in 08/09)... the front 3 have to be fast and we generally go with(Park Rooney Nani).. I love Berba but he cannot play the lone striker role.. he likes to drop deep and we have no counter attack with him in a 4-5-1... Rooney is the CF for the Arsenal games... and If we play Barca it will be the same story... Formation vs 1 player... Managerial nightmare but 1 upset player vs millions of upset fans..I know what I'd go with



Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on January 22, 2011, 08:10:34 PM
lol trust me you don't want berba on the bench ... cream rising to the top arsenal n man u starting to separate from the pack.... VanP catching form .... big tings a gwaan!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on January 22, 2011, 11:27:32 PM
lol trust me you don't want berba on the bench ... cream rising to the top arsenal n man u starting to separate from the pack.... VanP catching form .... big tings a gwaan!

I want him on the bench vs Arsenal...  it works.. why change it
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 23, 2011, 07:18:33 PM
just watched rvp goals

the second was a beauty lovely ball from cesc and rvp one touch past keeper exquisite

up next ipswich, whom we need to beat 2nil at least to progress to finals

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 25, 2011, 07:06:37 PM
whoooooooooooooooop!

finally we in ah finals!

hope we win it too!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on January 26, 2011, 07:03:10 PM
How come he is always pushing Arshavin but never pushing Rosicky into the team?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on January 26, 2011, 08:46:25 PM
How come he is always pushing Arshavin but never pushing Rosicky into the team?

Rosicky doh need the ego boost?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 27, 2011, 06:48:13 AM
How come he is always pushing Arshavin but never pushing Rosicky into the team?

Rosicky doh need the ego boost?
Rosicky is coming back from an injury, and nasri is the new rosicky
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 27, 2011, 06:49:38 AM
Anyone know anything about Sundays FA Cup opponent? Huddersfeild?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on January 30, 2011, 07:59:39 AM
I am convinced that Denilson is Wenger outside child.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on January 30, 2011, 08:23:49 AM
Arsenal goal: Harsh on Huddersfield. Very harsh. Nicklas Bendtner goes down very cheaply in the area following the faintest of touches from Jamie McCombe. Cesc Fabregas is asking for McCombe to be sent off, which is never good to see, but it's just a booking. Anyway, finally the penalty is taken, and Fabregas steps up to slot home from the spot.

United GETS ALL THE CALLS!  ::)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on January 30, 2011, 09:14:22 AM
Nasri get injured ... lawd fatha ... schillaci, schillaci, schllaci ... sigh
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on January 30, 2011, 09:20:29 AM
Nasri get injured ... lawd fatha ... schillaci, schillaci, schllaci ... sigh

out for 3 weeks...

Barca fans celebrate a little more with that one.. the task just went from easy to easier
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on January 30, 2011, 09:42:51 AM
Arsenal goal: Harsh on Huddersfield. Very harsh. Nicklas Bendtner goes down very cheaply in the area following the faintest of touches from Jamie McCombe. Cesc Fabregas is asking for McCombe to be sent off, which is never good to see, but it's just a booking. Anyway, finally the penalty is taken, and Fabregas steps up to slot home from the spot.

United GETS ALL THE CALLS!  ::)

  Small Mag, you more clueless than Inspector Clouseau oui!  I feel you does go to some exclusive manu indoctrination camp at least once a year.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on January 30, 2011, 09:51:16 AM
I am convinced that Denilson is Wenger outside child.

 :rotfl:- I think young Brazilians are better off continuing their football education in Brazil and move overseas 21 and up. I think they go to Europe at a young age and their football instincts get jammed due to attempts to change how they play.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on January 30, 2011, 10:48:48 AM
Nasri get injured ... lawd fatha ... schillaci, schillaci, schllaci ... sigh

out for 3 weeks...

Barca fans celebrate a little more with that one.. the task just went from easy to easier

Cynical but that's ok I'll remember that when United start to lose their games .... which is very very soon in the making  ... Vidic cyah save allyuh forever .... he's just a man lol .... by the way until united begin to understand that no man is an island and start using their best two strikers and sit Rooney down on his foul mouth talking ass...... people will always believe they have a chance which most teams do right now.... tough it out but the luck cyah last forever as for Barca ... I cyah wait .... I believe that Barca is no where near unbeatable as people say they are not close......!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on January 30, 2011, 10:56:10 AM
haha its hilarious how easy allyuh crack up from a little mind game sentence... I thought GunnerStunner would have come out and snapped 1st..but you take the cake


In all honesty bossman I hope yall beat them...but I highly doubt it and the task just got harder..I'm being realistic...  but good luck.. it will be needed
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on January 30, 2011, 10:59:54 AM
Nasri get injured ... lawd fatha ... schillaci, schillaci, schllaci ... sigh

Schillaci looked once again very average and deserve to get sent off, but the recovery of Denilson and Diaby on that play left Arsenal exposed 2 on 2.

On another note Bendtner will have a job when he done playing as an abortionist, dat man could throw way!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on January 30, 2011, 11:12:12 AM
haha its hilarious how easy allyuh crack up from a little mind game sentence... I thought GunnerStunner would have come out and snapped 1st..but you take the cake


In all honesty bossman I hope yall beat them...but I highly doubt it and the task just got harder..I'm being realistic...  but good luck.. it will be needed

Nah I doh snap fatha I does just say it as I see it ... trust me I does get enough shit from Fordy in person to deal with lol ... But I sticking with meh guns with what I say bout everything ... allyuh not playing allyuh strongest strikers .... all Rooney bring this season was controversy and nothing else and allyuh looking as vulnerable as we 2nd team!
Oh yes and f**k Barca .. if they want it come and get it!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on January 30, 2011, 11:46:45 AM
haha its hilarious how easy allyuh crack up from a little mind game sentence... I thought GunnerStunner would have come out and snapped 1st..but you take the cake


In all honesty bossman I hope yall beat them...but I highly doubt it and the task just got harder..I'm being realistic...  but good luck.. it will be needed

Nah I doh snap fatha I does just say it as I see it ... trust me I does get enough shit from Fordy in person to deal with lol ... But I sticking with meh guns with what I say bout everything ... allyuh not playing allyuh strongest strikers .... all Rooney bring this season was controversy and nothing else and allyuh looking as vulnerable as we 2nd team!
Oh yes and f**k Barca .. if they want it come and get it!

 :beermug:

Na we Rooney over the past month has played well in the majority of games..  he needs a few goals to get back his confidence but he already has 7 assists so he's doing a good job...Chicho is a great impact player for us..  So we have plenty ammo
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on January 30, 2011, 11:54:24 AM
haha its hilarious how easy allyuh crack up from a little mind game sentence... I thought GunnerStunner would have come out and snapped 1st..but you take the cake


In all honesty bossman I hope yall beat them...but I highly doubt it and the task just got harder..I'm being realistic...  but good luck.. it will be needed

Nah I doh snap fatha I does just say it as I see it ... trust me I does get enough shit from Fordy in person to deal with lol ... But I sticking with meh guns with what I say bout everything ... allyuh not playing allyuh strongest strikers .... all Rooney bring this season was controversy and nothing else and allyuh looking as vulnerable as we 2nd team!
Oh yes and f**k Barca .. if they want it come and get it!

 :beermug:

Na we Rooney over the past month has played well in the majority of games..  he needs a few goals to get back his confidence but he already has 7 assists so he's doing a good job...Chicho is a great impact player for us..  So we have plenty ammo

Barca are stronger than Arsenal in every department. Quite frankly a more balanced team.  I can't see Arsenal doing the business against them, hard luck on the draw, it would have been a dream final though. So football lovers take it early
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on January 30, 2011, 03:00:43 PM

Oh yes and f**k Barca .. if they want it come and get it!


Coming honey!!

(http://d.yimg.com/i/ng/sp/empics/20100406/21/2614828911-06042010211647.jpg)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 30, 2011, 06:44:10 PM
didnt see game so small mag hardluck on your small time try at putting the cat amongst the pigeons

hope nasri injury and squiallci red card dont bite us in the ass

i think its shit that arsenal had to play sunday then turn around and play on tues wtf? what would another day do to the FA???

Whatever yes everton played thier hearts out and still only earned a replay with chelski

hope the side on tues is


wojiec

sagna LK JD clichy

song cesc wilshire

walcott rvp AA/bentner
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on January 30, 2011, 08:28:53 PM
i agree with small magician, the penalty was weak. but if you going to call the foul, then it should be a red card just based on the rules of denying a clear goal scoring opportunity. but you're right- it was weak and fabregas was all up in the ref face calling for the red (which i couldn't care less about, but commentators always frown upon players doing that).

I am convinced that Denilson is Wenger outside child.

 :rotfl:- I think young Brazilians are better off continuing their football education in Brazil and move overseas 21 and up. I think they go to Europe at a young age and their football instincts get jammed due to attempts to change how they play.

when denilson first broke into arsenal's team he showed so much more promise than he's showing now. the only reason he didn't make more of an impact that first season is because he got injured and flamini came in and had an amazing season. that said, i don't know what happened to him. i almost feel like he got physically weaker. i not sure if i remembering right, but did he have shoulder injuries? maybe he didn't recover psychologically from that, cause he was an aggressive, tough tackling player when he first came onto the seen, but now he is the easiest player to push off the ball and his tackling is usually a half-hearted "lean one way and stick out a foot in the opposite direction" kinda chook.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on January 30, 2011, 08:32:16 PM
I'd like to see Rosicky in there instead of  Arshavin or Bendtner!
Similar type player that needs to get his sharpness back by playing more  ..... creative element like Nasri and a hardworker ... I think he can be an impact player.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on January 30, 2011, 08:38:06 PM
i agree with small magician, the penalty was weak. but if you going to call the foul, then it should be a red card just based on the rules of denying a clear goal scoring opportunity. but you're right- it was weak and fabregas was all up in the ref face calling for the red (which i couldn't care less about, but commentators always frown upon players doing that).

I am convinced that Denilson is Wenger outside child.

 :rotfl:- I think young Brazilians are better off continuing their football education in Brazil and move overseas 21 and up. I think they go to Europe at a young age and their football instincts get jammed due to attempts to change how they play.

when denilson first broke into arsenal's team he showed so much more promise than he's showing now. the only reason he didn't make more of an impact that first season is because he got injured and flamini came in and had an amazing season. that said, i don't know what happened to him. i almost feel like he got physically weaker. i not sure if i remembering right, but did he have shoulder injuries? maybe he didn't recover psychologically from that, cause he was an aggressive, tough tackling player when he first came onto the seen, but now he is the easiest player to push off the ball and his tackling is usually a half-hearted "lean one way and stick out a foot in the opposite direction" kinda chook.

There is always one common factor with the best of defensive midfielders .... aggression ... he doesn't have it and I feel it's a direct result of his confidence .. or rather loss of it.
The funny thing is this if he made up his mind to up his level of aggression he could be an impact player mainly because most of arsenal players are touch players even their defenders with the exception of sagna.. play touch ... a significant rise in his level of aggression could easily stand out in a team like this and it could even help his find his niche in this team ... as it stands he is a lost soul!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Touches on January 31, 2011, 07:17:00 AM
Right now I bummy...

Wenger pulling facking stones.

Go and buy a center back NOW...is 10 hrs till the window close.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on January 31, 2011, 08:56:14 AM
Right now I bummy...

Wenger pulling facking stones.

Go and buy a center back NOW...is 10 hrs till the window close.



He eh go buy ... the most yuh could hope for is a loan he doh wah the wage bill plus  he banking on Vermalean coming back in a month.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on January 31, 2011, 11:00:34 AM
Right now I bummy...

Wenger pulling facking stones.

Go and buy a center back NOW...is 10 hrs till the window close.



Short of building ah wall, anybody yuh put in the back dey go get eat up from Messi and co.


Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on January 31, 2011, 11:10:52 AM

Oh yes and f**k Barca .. if they want it come and get it!


Coming honey!!

(http://d.yimg.com/i/ng/sp/empics/20100406/21/2614828911-06042010211647.jpg)

lol I now see this shit lmao
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 31, 2011, 06:54:45 PM
I'd like to see Rosicky in there instead of  Arshavin or Bendtner!
Similar type player that needs to get his sharpness back by playing more  ..... creative element like Nasri and a hardworker ... I think he can be an impact player.

that is a damned if you do and damned if you dont choice

i do think AA recently is trying harder just a lil bit unlucky and needing some confidence

rosicky will fill in for nasri vs everton i am sure

team might be

Wojiec

sagna LK JD clichy

Song Cesc rosicky

walcott rvp AA
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 31, 2011, 06:55:46 PM
haha its hilarious how easy allyuh crack up from a little mind game sentence... I thought GunnerStunner would have come out and snapped 1st..but you take the cake


In all honesty bossman I hope yall beat them...but I highly doubt it and the task just got harder..I'm being realistic...  but good luck.. it will be needed

you might have a smart mout but yuh not so smart yout
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 31, 2011, 06:58:12 PM
arsenal second sting cant hold a candle to a full strength first team

watching this fa cup game and the defense all over the place

boo for denilson ands squillaci lame half hearted shift

chamakh seems to have gone off the boil which isnt a good thing
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 01, 2011, 03:00:39 PM
Seriously FA? That's what passes for onside? That's what passes as an official?

f**k you
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on February 01, 2011, 03:22:23 PM
The officials are having a terrible outing. But it is a fun game to watch though
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on February 01, 2011, 03:52:22 PM
Seriously FA? That's what passes for onside? That's what passes as an official?

f**k you

To be fair The ball was played back by the Arsenal defender to Saha technically becomes onside. Seldom called because it happens so fast, but its the right decision.

On another note I hope the FA look at Arteta faking he got stamped and rolling all over the place. Everyone seems to be in on this act and it needs to be addressed
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on February 01, 2011, 04:52:16 PM
Seriously FA? That's what passes for onside? That's what passes as an official?

f**k you

To be fair The ball was played back by the Arsenal defender to Saha technically becomes onside. Seldom called because it happens so fast, but its the right decision.

On another note I hope the FA look at Arteta faking he got stamped and rolling all over the place. Everyone seems to be in on this act and it needs to be addressed
You couldn't be more wrong on your interpretation of the offside rule.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on February 02, 2011, 11:23:16 AM
Seriously FA? That's what passes for onside? That's what passes as an official?

f**k you

To be fair The ball was played back by the Arsenal defender to Saha technically becomes onside. Seldom called because it happens so fast, but its the right decision.

On another note I hope the FA look at Arteta faking he got stamped and rolling all over the place. Everyone seems to be in on this act and it needs to be addressed
You couldn't be more wrong on your interpretation of the offside rule.

Ah waiting! What is the offside law? I know Saha was in an offside position when the ball was played. So take it from there and explain!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: DeSoWa on February 02, 2011, 11:38:36 AM
Seriously FA? That's what passes for onside? That's what passes as an official?

f**k you

To be fair The ball was played back by the Arsenal defender to Saha technically becomes onside. Seldom called because it happens so fast, but its the right decision.

On another note I hope the FA look at Arteta faking he got stamped and rolling all over the place. Everyone seems to be in on this act and it needs to be addressed
You couldn't be more wrong on your interpretation of the offside rule.

Ah waiting! What is the offside law? I know Saha was in an offside position when the ball was played. So take it from there and explain!

Ah doh want to get in the middle of this...but from what I know...as long as the player was offside when HIS team mate passes the ball to him, it does not matter who touched it before he receives the ball, he is still offside. But let say the Arsenal defender controlled the ball and then he attempted to pass the ball back to his keeper, then the offensive player is no longer offside. In this scenario, the ball hit the defender and end up at the feet of Saha who was already offside, even before the defender touched the ball, so he is in this case was offside. Hope this is clear, if I am wrong then someone needs to explain it to me too  :)

Big Up!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on February 02, 2011, 11:50:04 AM
Seriously FA? That's what passes for onside? That's what passes as an official?

f**k you

To be fair The ball was played back by the Arsenal defender to Saha technically becomes onside. Seldom called because it happens so fast, but its the right decision.

On another note I hope the FA look at Arteta faking he got stamped and rolling all over the place. Everyone seems to be in on this act and it needs to be addressed
You couldn't be more wrong on your interpretation of the offside rule.

Ah waiting! What is the offside law? I know Saha was in an offside position when the ball was played. So take it from there and explain!

Ah doh want to get in the middle of this...but from what I know...as long as the player was offside when HIS team mate passes the ball to him, it does not matter who touched it before he receives the ball, he is still offside. But let say the Arsenal defender controlled the ball and then he attempted to pass the ball back to his keeper, then the offensive player is no longer offside. In this scenario, the ball hit the defender and end up at the feet of Saha who was already offside, even before the defender touched the ball, so he is in this case was offside. Hope this is clear, if I am wrong then someone needs to explain it to me too  :)

Big Up!

Understood, but their is a difference  between touch it and played by.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: DeSoWa on February 02, 2011, 12:02:37 PM
Seriously FA? That's what passes for onside? That's what passes as an official?

f**k you

To be fair The ball was played back by the Arsenal defender to Saha technically becomes onside. Seldom called because it happens so fast, but its the right decision.

On another note I hope the FA look at Arteta faking he got stamped and rolling all over the place. Everyone seems to be in on this act and it needs to be addressed
You couldn't be more wrong on your interpretation of the offside rule.

Ah waiting! What is the offside law? I know Saha was in an offside position when the ball was played. So take it from there and explain!

Ah doh want to get in the middle of this...but from what I know...as long as the player was offside when HIS team mate passes the ball to him, it does not matter who touched it before he receives the ball, he is still offside. But let say the Arsenal defender controlled the ball and then he attempted to pass the ball back to his keeper, then the offensive player is no longer offside. In this scenario, the ball hit the defender and end up at the feet of Saha who was already offside, even before the defender touched the ball, so he is in this case was offside. Hope this is clear, if I am wrong then someone needs to explain it to me too  :)

Big Up!

Understood, but their is a difference  between touch it and played by.

So are you saying that the defender "played" the ball to the forward? I think that's like saying if the ball had reached in the box and the keeper picked it up, then it would be a back pass...no?

I see it as a continuous play and if the forward was initially offside, then he is still offside...the defender has a right to try and prevent the ball from reaching the forward...the ball bouncing off his foot and then going to the already offside forward makes no difference.

How many times you see a keeper punt a long ball up and a defender jumps up for the ball, the ball hits his head and goes to a forward and the whistle blows for offside? It happens all the time.

Big Up!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on February 02, 2011, 12:14:58 PM
Seriously FA? That's what passes for onside? That's what passes as an official?

f**k you

To be fair The ball was played back by the Arsenal defender to Saha technically becomes onside. Seldom called because it happens so fast, but its the right decision.

On another note I hope the FA look at Arteta faking he got stamped and rolling all over the place. Everyone seems to be in on this act and it needs to be addressed
You couldn't be more wrong on your interpretation of the offside rule.

Ah waiting! What is the offside law? I know Saha was in an offside position when the ball was played. So take it from there and explain!

Ah doh want to get in the middle of this...but from what I know...as long as the player was offside when HIS team mate passes the ball to him, it does not matter who touched it before he receives the ball, he is still offside. But let say the Arsenal defender controlled the ball and then he attempted to pass the ball back to his keeper, then the offensive player is no longer offside. In this scenario, the ball hit the defender and end up at the feet of Saha who was already offside, even before the defender touched the ball, so he is in this case was offside. Hope this is clear, if I am wrong then someone needs to explain it to me too  :)

Big Up!

Understood, but their is a difference  between touch it and played by.

So are you saying that the defender "played" the ball to the forward? I think that's like saying if the ball had reached in the box and the keeper picked it up, then it would be a back pass...no?

I see it as a continuous play and if the forward was initially offside, then he is still offside...the defender has a right to try and prevent the ball from reaching the forward...the ball bouncing off his foot and then going to the already offside forward makes no difference.

How many times you see a keeper punt a long ball up and a defender jumps up for the ball, the ball hits his head and goes to a forward and the whistle blows for offside? It happens all the time.

Big Up!

That is what I am saying. Yes! Assistant Referee ruled that the ball was played into the path of Saha. So no offside!  I am sayingthat,  that is his interpretation. As I said seldom ever called. Now I wrote that before both Sky Sports news and the BBC are quoted as saying : Sky Sports

Arsenal's defenders were screaming for a whistle, but a deflection from the swinging boot of Koscielny was presumably deemed to have changed the phase of play amid the general confusion of the offside rule, and referee Mason, having consulted with his assistant, Stephen Child, allowed the goal to stand.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: DeSoWa on February 02, 2011, 12:26:49 PM
Seriously FA? That's what passes for onside? That's what passes as an official?

f**k you

To be fair The ball was played back by the Arsenal defender to Saha technically becomes onside. Seldom called because it happens so fast, but its the right decision.

On another note I hope the FA look at Arteta faking he got stamped and rolling all over the place. Everyone seems to be in on this act and it needs to be addressed
You couldn't be more wrong on your interpretation of the offside rule.

Ah waiting! What is the offside law? I know Saha was in an offside position when the ball was played. So take it from there and explain!

Ah doh want to get in the middle of this...but from what I know...as long as the player was offside when HIS team mate passes the ball to him, it does not matter who touched it before he receives the ball, he is still offside. But let say the Arsenal defender controlled the ball and then he attempted to pass the ball back to his keeper, then the offensive player is no longer offside. In this scenario, the ball hit the defender and end up at the feet of Saha who was already offside, even before the defender touched the ball, so he is in this case was offside. Hope this is clear, if I am wrong then someone needs to explain it to me too  :)

Big Up!

Understood, but their is a difference  between touch it and played by.

So are you saying that the defender "played" the ball to the forward? I think that's like saying if the ball had reached in the box and the keeper picked it up, then it would be a back pass...no?

I see it as a continuous play and if the forward was initially offside, then he is still offside...the defender has a right to try and prevent the ball from reaching the forward...the ball bouncing off his foot and then going to the already offside forward makes no difference.

How many times you see a keeper punt a long ball up and a defender jumps up for the ball, the ball hits his head and goes to a forward and the whistle blows for offside? It happens all the time.

Big Up!

That is what I am saying. Yes! Assistant Referee ruled that the ball was played into the path of Saha. So no offside!  I am sayingthat,  that is his interpretation. As I said seldom ever called. Now I wrote that before both Sky Sports news and the BBC are quoted as saying : Sky Sports

Arsenal's defenders were screaming for a whistle, but a deflection from the swinging boot of Koscielny was presumably deemed to have changed the phase of play amid the general confusion of the offside rule, and referee Mason, having consulted with his assistant, Stephen Child, allowed the goal to stand.


That's the problem right there! INTERPRETATION by the ref...but we can't argue with that..if that's how they interpreted it, then that's how it goes. I beg to differ though! :beermug:

Big Up!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on February 02, 2011, 01:47:49 PM
Seriously FA? That's what passes for onside? That's what passes as an official?

f**k you

To be fair The ball was played back by the Arsenal defender to Saha technically becomes onside. Seldom called because it happens so fast, but its the right decision.

On another note I hope the FA look at Arteta faking he got stamped and rolling all over the place. Everyone seems to be in on this act and it needs to be addressed
You couldn't be more wrong on your interpretation of the offside rule.

Ah waiting! What is the offside law? I know Saha was in an offside position when the ball was played. So take it from there and explain!

Ah doh want to get in the middle of this...but from what I know...as long as the player was offside when HIS team mate passes the ball to him, it does not matter who touched it before he receives the ball, he is still offside. But let say the Arsenal defender controlled the ball and then he attempted to pass the ball back to his keeper, then the offensive player is no longer offside. In this scenario, the ball hit the defender and end up at the feet of Saha who was already offside, even before the defender touched the ball, so he is in this case was offside. Hope this is clear, if I am wrong then someone needs to explain it to me too  :)

Big Up!

Understood, but their is a difference  between touch it and played by.

So are you saying that the defender "played" the ball to the forward? I think that's like saying if the ball had reached in the box and the keeper picked it up, then it would be a back pass...no?

I see it as a continuous play and if the forward was initially offside, then he is still offside...the defender has a right to try and prevent the ball from reaching the forward...the ball bouncing off his foot and then going to the already offside forward makes no difference.

How many times you see a keeper punt a long ball up and a defender jumps up for the ball, the ball hits his head and goes to a forward and the whistle blows for offside? It happens all the time.

Big Up!

or how bout a keeper passes a ball out to his last defender and the ball is intercepted by another player who was standing in an offside position.

Remember what happened with Nani vs Tottenham earlier this year where Gomez placed the ball on the ground and nani ran on to it and scored.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on February 03, 2011, 05:58:48 AM
Seriously FA? That's what passes for onside? That's what passes as an official?

f**k you

To be fair The ball was played back by the Arsenal defender to Saha technically becomes onside. Seldom called because it happens so fast, but its the right decision.

On another note I hope the FA look at Arteta faking he got stamped and rolling all over the place. Everyone seems to be in on this act and it needs to be addressed
You couldn't be more wrong on your interpretation of the offside rule.

Ah waiting! What is the offside law? I know Saha was in an offside position when the ball was played. So take it from there and explain!

Ah doh want to get in the middle of this...but from what I know...as long as the player was offside when HIS team mate passes the ball to him, it does not matter who touched it before he receives the ball, he is still offside. But let say the Arsenal defender controlled the ball and then he attempted to pass the ball back to his keeper, then the offensive player is no longer offside. In this scenario, the ball hit the defender and end up at the feet of Saha who was already offside, even before the defender touched the ball, so he is in this case was offside. Hope this is clear, if I am wrong then someone needs to explain it to me too  :)

Big Up!

Understood, but their is a difference  between touch it and played by.

So are you saying that the defender "played" the ball to the forward? I think that's like saying if the ball had reached in the box and the keeper picked it up, then it would be a back pass...no?

I see it as a continuous play and if the forward was initially offside, then he is still offside...the defender has a right to try and prevent the ball from reaching the forward...the ball bouncing off his foot and then going to the already offside forward makes no difference.

How many times you see a keeper punt a long ball up and a defender jumps up for the ball, the ball hits his head and goes to a forward and the whistle blows for offside? It happens all the time.

Big Up!

or how bout a keeper passes a ball out to his last defender and the ball is intercepted by another player who was standing in an offside position.

Remember what happened with Nani vs Tottenham earlier this year where Gomez placed the ball on the ground and nani ran on to it and scored.
That is not offside because he is behind the ball.

It was offside, Observer, because the defender never had control of the ball so it can't be deemed that he played the ball to the forward. Secondly, Saha was going to a ball played to him in an offside position even before the touch from Koscielny. That would make him offside from the onset of the play. Thirdly, both managers agree that it was offside. Need I say more?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 04, 2011, 07:28:59 AM
Fellas enough already

Game ahead

Away to newcastle and I must say they might be playing with something to prove after losing Andy Carroll
But they are left with their second string attack
But that nuisance Tiote is back from injury

Arsenal squad lil bruised

Wojiec
Sagna LK JD Clichy
Diaby cesc rosicky/wilshire
Waclott RvP AA
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on February 04, 2011, 08:08:06 AM
or how bout a keeper passes a ball out to his last defender and the ball is intercepted by another player who was standing in an offside position.

Remember what happened with Nani vs Tottenham earlier this year where Gomez placed the ball on the ground and nani ran on to it and scored.

the nani situation was different tho. there was no question of offside there. everyone stopped because nani handled the ball. then gomes put the ball down to take a free kick that the referee never actually blew for and nani kicked it in. when the gk has the ball in the possession, a striker doesnt need to be in an offside position. offside only matters in situations involving a pass from a teammate.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on February 05, 2011, 09:13:09 AM
Somebody should tell Newcastle there's a game on...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on February 05, 2011, 09:29:44 AM
It good for newcastle-that is what they get for firing Hutton and replacing him with that recycled waste called pardew!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on February 05, 2011, 10:26:14 AM
Is so funny to me Joey Barton try to break Diaby leg and Diaby get red carded ... Excellent stuff ref!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on February 05, 2011, 10:32:23 AM
Arsenal players better watch their backs that some of those Newcastle players don't try to take them out with the score what it is. Especially if they feel they getting shown up.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on February 05, 2011, 10:45:22 AM
Diaby need to do laps for the rest of the week.
Every week I does say the same thing though. Arsenal need to stop playing with they food.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on February 05, 2011, 10:48:49 AM
Wow! :o
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on February 05, 2011, 10:57:05 AM
Arsenal do nonsense dey. Even down to 10 men, you cyah  give up 4 goals.
But them penalties was soft. Especially the second one
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on February 05, 2011, 10:59:40 AM
I in shock!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: D.H.W on February 05, 2011, 11:00:31 AM
 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: haha
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on February 05, 2011, 11:03:42 AM
haha I came home see 4-0 on livescore.. next ting I gone in the TV Room..4-2... I bring the luck yes

HAHAHAHA  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on February 05, 2011, 11:23:27 AM
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: haha

 :rotfl: Yuh wicked!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on February 05, 2011, 11:31:22 AM
It seems obvious that the League, Refs and Media want Man U to win their 19th.

Barton tries to break Diaby's leg and Diaby gets a red for shoving him to the ground.

As if the first penalty call wasn't soft,  the ref calls a second penalty for something that wouldn't even be a foul in basketball.

Funny thing is, i'm not even angry about this game. In fact, I actually think this will galvanize the team and push us on.

We will win the league this year!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on February 05, 2011, 12:39:16 PM
Is so funny to me Joey Barton try to break Diaby leg and Diaby get red carded ... Excellent stuff ref!

I didn't see the play because I turn off the game after Van Persie's brace... but Phil Dowd is a strange one.  Early in the game Van Persie was sandwiched near the top of the Newcastle box by two players, one of whom scythed his legs out from under him and sent him literally tumbling through the air.  Phil Dowd awarded a foul... against Van Persie.  Even the commentators were dumbstruck.


Anyways I couldn't believe that final scoreline when I saw it... Arsenal very likely will rue this result for a very long time.  NY Giants fans can relate.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 05, 2011, 04:16:08 PM
We missed an opportunity to get closer to manu, they lost to wolves  :rotfl:

They still have to face chelses and us
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on February 05, 2011, 06:12:22 PM
The thing that really concerns me now is the fact that Djourou got a knee injury ..... this is precisely why Arsene was trying to play him sporadically but Schillaci is such shit!  :-[ ... I hope he ok.

There goes our defense ... Nasri, Djourou this team coming apart at the seams!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on February 05, 2011, 07:21:09 PM
We missed an opportunity to get closer to manu, they lost to wolves  :rotfl:

They still have to face chelses and us

you laughing? with all your flair and knock knock knock allyuh blow a 4 GOAL LEAD buddy..4 !

We will never do that... how much times allyuh lost for the season.. 4 or 5 times? 

And us?  The team we beat 5 times in a row?  that us?

If yall win the league I will stop watching Football... Chelsea are the team that will finish either ahead or behind us... I can bet my life
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on February 05, 2011, 08:25:52 PM
We missed an opportunity to get closer to manu, they lost to wolves  :rotfl:

They still have to face chelses and us

you laughing? with all your flair and knock knock knock allyuh blow a 4 GOAL LEAD buddy..4 !

We will never do that... how much times allyuh lost for the season.. 4 or 5 times? 

And us?  The team we beat 5 times in a row?  that us?

If yall win the league I will stop watching Football... Chelsea are the team that will finish either ahead or behind us... I can bet my life

... and yet ManU. only a point or two ahead of them... hardly anything to be crowing about.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on February 05, 2011, 08:39:31 PM
We missed an opportunity to get closer to manu, they lost to wolves  :rotfl:

They still have to face chelses and us

you laughing? with all your flair and knock knock knock allyuh blow a 4 GOAL LEAD buddy..4 !

We will never do that... how much times allyuh lost for the season.. 4 or 5 times? 

And us?  The team we beat 5 times in a row?  that us?

If yall win the league I will stop watching Football... Chelsea are the team that will finish either ahead or behind us... I can bet my life

... and yet ManU. only a point or two ahead of them... hardly anything to be crowing about.

4 points actually... and how much are we ahead of your f**king shit side?

This is a convo about teams that compete in the CL and actually compete in a title race... that's why Torres f**ked off .. I suggest you do the same



Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on February 05, 2011, 09:33:05 PM
We missed an opportunity to get closer to manu, they lost to wolves  :rotfl:

They still have to face chelses and us

you laughing? with all your flair and knock knock knock allyuh blow a 4 GOAL LEAD buddy..4 !

We will never do that... how much times allyuh lost for the season.. 4 or 5 times? 

And us?  The team we beat 5 times in a row?  that us?

If yall win the league I will stop watching Football... Chelsea are the team that will finish either ahead or behind us... I can bet my life
Don't bite off more than you can chew young Jedi. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

The capitulation today has less effect on our psyche than your loss to Wolves, ending the streak, has on yours. That's why you came in here all hotheaded.

Fact is, we gained 1pt on United today. :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 06, 2011, 07:11:50 PM
Too funny,
We did shoot ourselves in the foot by diaby being sent off and conceding two penalties

BUT

Big bad majestic wonderful manu had their unbeaten streak checked by the team at the bottom of the league.

Not matter what arsenal do this season won't change how silly wolves made them look

We just gotta keep on keeping on

Wonder if city will keep up what wolves started  :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on February 06, 2011, 10:10:37 PM
Concerned about Song and Djourou injury status. Don't want to have to rely on the Koscielny and Squillaci partnership for too long. Let's hope Wenger's decision not to get a center back in the transfer window doesn't backfire.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on February 06, 2011, 10:32:53 PM
4 points actually... and how much are we ahead of your f**king shit side?

This is a convo about teams that compete in the CL and actually compete in a title race... that's why Torres f**ked off .. I suggest you do the same





Angry much... or is that just your menstrual cycle?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 07, 2011, 08:56:39 AM
I'm not a gambling man
But
When ever things look good on the injury front its easy money to bet that much sooner rather than later it will bite arsenal in the ass
Be it failure to buy to bolster the squad or being assaulted on the pitch

Either way we cannot let the injuries suspensions and officiating debacles slow down what we are trying to do

This month is crucial
We face a decent team in the Carling cup final, Birmingham are yet to lose since manu
This final is crucial dare I say more so than barca in champs league

Peek league ambition, cannot let points like those on sat slip like that especially when 4 up

FA cup I say go for it, however it is extra games we risk spreading ourselves too thin, our first team at full strength is awesome take two or more out and our second string just can't cope

Champs league, I know wenger wants this bad but if we don't have full strength team I say play the game to win and if we don't so f**king what

This team needs to win something
First goal win the next game to play
But keep an eye on winning carling cup
Then deal with prem league game by game but to win it
After FA then Champs
For realistic silverware

And that is simply because we don't have adequate coverage with competence and skill to fill in

Not defeatist
Realist



Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on February 07, 2011, 10:00:34 AM
The reality is simple until Vermalean or Djourou returns "Schillaci" has to step the f**k up!
This injury should not be viewed as a downfall but rather an opportunity for this man to show he has an inkling of defensive ability.

Arshavin looks to be returning to some degree of form lets hope it's not a flash in the pan kind of thing.

Diaby I understand his reaction but after being injured out for so long and Wenger still persisting with him he CANNOT hurt the team like that again ... grow some nuts and control yourself ... he owes it to the team .. imagine if he reacts like this in the game vs Barca or the Carling cup final!

Koscielsky needs to cut out those mistakes because Djourou ain't there to clean them up anymore and this partnership with Schillaci can either make or break the season they need to sort it out and get it right!

Things look rough now but we're 4 points off the lead and Song should be back by next week and Vermalean and Nasri will be back in about a month and we're still to hear about how long Djourou out for ... tough times but not impossible times!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on February 07, 2011, 10:36:22 AM
The reality is simple until Vermalean or Djourou returns "Schillaci" has to step the f**k up!
This injury should not be viewed as a downfall but rather an opportunity for this man to show he has an inkling of defensive ability.

Arshavin looks to be returning to some degree of form lets hope it's not a flash in the pan kind of thing.

Diaby I understand his reaction but after being injured out for so long and Wenger still persisting with him he CANNOT hurt the team like that again ... grow some nuts and control yourself ... he owes it to the team .. imagine if he reacts like this in the game vs Barca or the Carling cup final!

Koscielsky needs to cut out those mistakes because Djourou ain't there to clean them up anymore and this partnership with Schillaci can either make or break the season they need to sort it out and get it right!

Things look rough now but we're 4 points off the lead and Song should be back by next week and Vermalean and Nasri will be back in about a month and we're still to hear about how long Djourou out for ... tough times but not impossible times!

The fear is that Djourou has ligament damage and might be out for some time, if not the rest of the season. But that is speculative for now. Regarding the Squillaci situation, I wouldn't be surprised if Wenger goes with Song in central defence and Diaby is played alongside Wilshere in midfield.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 07, 2011, 12:26:56 PM
Squillaci has Cyganitis

The next set of game too costly for his mistakes

Especially vs barca and the carling final

Plus we need to advantage wolves

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on February 07, 2011, 03:34:14 PM
The reality is simple until Vermalean or Djourou returns "Schillaci" has to step the f**k up!
This injury should not be viewed as a downfall but rather an opportunity for this man to show he has an inkling of defensive ability.

Arshavin looks to be returning to some degree of form lets hope it's not a flash in the pan kind of thing.

Diaby I understand his reaction but after being injured out for so long and Wenger still persisting with him he CANNOT hurt the team like that again ... grow some nuts and control yourself ... he owes it to the team .. imagine if he reacts like this in the game vs Barca or the Carling cup final!

Koscielsky needs to cut out those mistakes because Djourou ain't there to clean them up anymore and this partnership with Schillaci can either make or break the season they need to sort it out and get it right!

Things look rough now but we're 4 points off the lead and Song should be back by next week and Vermalean and Nasri will be back in about a month and we're still to hear about how long Djourou out for ... tough times but not impossible times!

The fear is that Djourou has ligament damage and might be out for some time, if not the rest of the season. But that is speculative for now. Regarding the Squillaci situation, I wouldn't be surprised if Wenger goes with Song in central defence and Diaby is played alongside Wilshere in midfield.

Song actually doesn't really impress me in the defense I like him so much better in the midfield ... still searching for updates on djourou's injury.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Touches on February 07, 2011, 06:17:29 PM
I hoping for the best vs Barca...but if we hadda get we cutarse...take it early and concentrate on the Carling, FA Cup and League...in that order.

If Squillaci or Kosielny get injured now what?

We were always short in defence and he ent buy nobody when clearly we lacking big time.

Under all kicks...Vermalen and Nasri coming back good as new for that Barca game...he keeping them two quiet.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on February 07, 2011, 08:16:23 PM
I hoping for the best vs Barca...but if we hadda get we cutarse...take it early and concentrate on the Carling, FA Cup and League...in that order.

If Squillaci or Kosielny get injured now what?

We were always short in defence and he ent buy nobody when clearly we lacking big time.

Under all kicks...Vermalen and Nasri coming back good as new for that Barca game...he keeping them two quiet.

I agree with your last statement. Clearly this season he has not had guys playing injured. He has been protecting every player until they are fully recovered. I expect Nasri to make a miraculous recovery before the Barca game.

I disagree on your order of priorities. CC first because we are in the final, PL, CL, FA.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Peong on February 07, 2011, 08:18:39 PM
Capitulation of the season. 
That has to be really embarrassing.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on February 07, 2011, 11:11:40 PM
Random stats:

Arsenal concedes a goal every 251 minutes of PL football with Johan Djourou in the side this season. Without him, it's every 54 minutes.

Top scorer Dimitar Berbatov has drawn a blank in 17 of his last 22 games for Manchester United.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on February 08, 2011, 11:29:43 AM
good news on the Djourou injury front. according to the Swiss FA Djourou should be back in training within a week! http://www.sport.co.uk/news/Football/50208/Swiss_FA_Djourou_back_training_in_a_week_.aspx
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on February 09, 2011, 06:44:51 AM
That Djourou situation is excellent .... if we could get through these sticky patches of games we'll be ok the upside is Vermalean, Song and Nasri will be back soon we'll need them for the league run in and the FA cup and in theory they will be well rested.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 11, 2011, 03:17:09 PM
Is it open season on wolves tomorrow?
Or will they turn and bite us?
Hope Karl Henry doesn't kill or maim anyone
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on February 12, 2011, 10:21:40 AM
Wilshire is having a stormer of a game ... the youth is talented!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on February 12, 2011, 10:30:00 AM
Chamakh get a sweat!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on February 12, 2011, 11:17:14 AM
Chamakh get a sweat!

He didn't look bad he plays well within himself tho.
Theo Walcott is Arsenal's most dangerous player!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 12, 2011, 06:04:33 PM
Haven't seen the game but heard it was a great team performance
And as usual when we play a team off the park their keeper and our less than predatory finishing saves the team from embarrassment
Bright side? No new injuries JD back and barca slipped up today vs Sporting
I think our strongest team minus tomas can deal with barca at home a draw at home would be a good result a win would be great but with caution for the second leg
And well done to manu and Rooney if only Chelski can hold them to two drawn games and we keep on winning and beat them then maybe just maybe . . .


Arsenal Forever
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 13, 2011, 02:12:13 PM
Don't usually do this but I have a good feeling about these two games vs Barca


But who knows what the future holds
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 16, 2011, 11:55:37 AM
ARSENAL FOREVER!!!!

big game today to bad i cant watch it live
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on February 16, 2011, 09:02:49 PM
http://www.freshwap.net/forums/tv-shows/3208072-football-ucl-arsenal-v-barcelona-16-02-2011-a.html

Downloads of the game today vs barca.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: DeSoWa on February 16, 2011, 09:36:50 PM
Just got done watching the game...oh what a game...edge of your seat kinda game...but it's not over yet!  :beermug:

Big Up!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 18, 2011, 09:31:25 AM
I think the formation Barcelona started with (which looks like a diamond) makes them too dependent on Messi in the playmaker position. Sure he's a brilliant player but he wasn't at his best Wednesday. Fortunately their fullbacks provide width like nobody else, so it gives them an alternate attack in the formation. I think that with the rise and rise of Messi, the team is becoming more dependent on him.

Arsenal did a lot right this game, but their offside line, while the right idea, wasn't executed particularly well. They were lucky quite a few times. Like the 2 goals Ibra scored at the Emirates last year, they played the high line, but then gave the Barca midfielder with the ball too little pressure, allowing him to pick out the through ball.

Offensively Arsenal wasted too much time trying to short pass their way through midfield, which just invited pressure and kept costing them possession. When they played longer balls to the front lines. I think that's why Bendtner was put on. They bypassed the pressure and exposed Barca’s weak(ish) defence. The Arsenal Plan B highlighted in the recent Everton game paid dividends here, under slightly different circumstances. This was augmented by Wilshere’s runs through midfield. I don't know why I never realised how strong he is when running with the ball.

Finally I think Barca, as good as they are, are becoming a little too predictable for top level competitors. Pep will have to figure out a way to adjust his formation or tactics for Camp Nou. Arsenal is still obviously a work in progress, but their progress is undeniable.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 18, 2011, 04:33:34 PM
nice read ^^^^^^^


now onto the next game

FA CUP derby vs orient
no walk over especially when we go be making alot of changes
we have seen how anything less than the best side arsenal have struggles against commited opposition

as it stands we have a sunday wednesday sunday wednsday line up of games

i did a lil counting and IF arsenal were to win every prize this season they still have about 21-22 games to go

start praying the injury gods bless us instead of curse us

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on February 18, 2011, 11:48:03 PM
Couple things I wanted to note .....
One thing people still aren't taking us serious despite the win at barca and that is good because they won't see us coming and our motivation is still there to prove em wrong.

Secondly lets not get carried away by that win... def a win but no guarantee we will beat em in nou camp but we can take solace in the fact that we know how to beat em and the truth is you stop Messi you stop barcelona and you can score on their defense

With Vermalean to come back we can still get better and with Nasri getting back fit his form will improve exciting times....
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on February 19, 2011, 06:50:26 AM
I sincerely wish Arsenal win a trophy this year. For the simple fact it would take pressure off Wenger. Like him or hate him Wenger is good for football and the EPL. He has introduced and contributed a lot to the English game and football would be poorer without him. 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on February 19, 2011, 07:53:40 AM
I sincerely wish Arsenal win a trophy this year. For the simple fact it would take pressure off Wenger. Like him or hate him Wenger is good for football and the EPL. He has introduced and contributed a lot to the English game and football would be poorer without him. 
Well said partnah I cyah imagine the EPL without him or Fergie!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on February 19, 2011, 08:39:17 AM
I sincerely wish Arsenal win a trophy this year. For the simple fact it would take pressure off Wenger. Like him or hate him Wenger is good for football and the EPL. He has introduced and contributed a lot to the English game and football would be poorer without him. 

true
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 19, 2011, 03:35:10 PM
Man I hope we win tomo wed and next Sunday

We need the carling cup silverware bad

Also we need to keep up the winning ways too

Birmingham in the final of carling cup will boy he easy
Boy one bit

They too gave been consistent and winning and scoring so it will be an interesting
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: D.H.W on February 20, 2011, 12:35:09 PM
hard luck stunner  :angel: , im sure alyuh go finish them off next leg
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fitzinho on February 20, 2011, 02:16:41 PM
I sincerely wish Arsenal win a trophy this year. For the simple fact it would take pressure off Wenger. Like him or hate him Wenger is good for football and the EPL. He has introduced and contributed a lot to the English game and football would be poorer without him. 
U say that like the man go retire if he not coaching Arsenal
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 20, 2011, 02:32:44 PM
hard luck stunner  :angel: , im sure alyuh go finish them off next leg
Yeah they almost get away with it
Haven't seen the game but one thing if certain arsenal second string sucks
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Daft Trini on February 20, 2011, 02:37:51 PM
Hope they take it to Barca and then we get to face dem in the FA... Man U vs The Gunners in the FA has been classic...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on February 20, 2011, 02:49:35 PM
hard luck stunner  :angel: , im sure alyuh go finish them off next leg
Yeah they almost get away with it
Haven't seen the game but one thing if certain arsenal second string sucks

Well yuh eh miss much, but I will say this Bendtner, Chamak, Arshavin, Denilson were very disappointing. The field did not help their passing game and force them to play very slow. No excuse though for limiting their attacks to through the middle, where the numbers did not allow it. Coincidentally their goal came from a cross after two attempts to bulldoze through the middle.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on February 20, 2011, 04:08:07 PM
hard luck stunner  :angel: , im sure alyuh go finish them off next leg
Yeah they almost get away with it
Haven't seen the game but one thing if certain arsenal second string sucks

Well yuh eh miss much, but I will say this Bendtner, Chamak, Arshavin, Denilson were very disappointing. The field did not help their passing game and force them to play very slow. No excuse though for limiting their attacks to through the middle, where the numbers did not allow it. Coincidentally their goal came from a cross after two attempts to bulldoze through the middle.


Not surprising Chamakh was disappointing; I read where he said that he is tired and that he would not be ready to play or expected to play until March. And he is happy Van Persie is back. I read that said to myself what world he living in that he could get a month off because Van Persie returned.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on February 20, 2011, 08:15:12 PM
Chamakk to me becoming like Ebouie contented to be the 2nd string that is so much shit to me!
The 2nd string team so poor boy wow!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 21, 2011, 11:01:35 AM
hard luck stunner  :angel: , im sure alyuh go finish them off next leg
Yeah they almost get away with it
Haven't seen the game but one thing if certain arsenal second string sucks

Well yuh eh miss much, but I will say this Bendtner, Chamak, Arshavin, Denilson were very disappointing. The field did not help their passing game and force them to play very slow. No excuse though for limiting their attacks to through the middle, where the numbers did not allow it. Coincidentally their goal came from a cross after two attempts to bulldoze through the middle.
They real get me vex with that shambolic display! These fellas look like they not interested in being starters. I have to say though, Miquel had a decent debut, apart from the goal. Arshavin looking better and better and has definitely gotten over his slump. Chamakh cannot still be tired. De man have worms or what? Bendtner wasted a good chance going for glory (again!) when he should have set up a teammate. I now thinking with all these replays, the second string is going to derail the trophy hunt.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 21, 2011, 12:51:53 PM
Chamakk to me becoming like Ebouie contented to be the 2nd string that is so much shit to me!
The 2nd string team so poor boy wow!
You dissing Eboue. The man play decent against Barca.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 21, 2011, 04:35:20 PM
If we win anything this year its cus we did it the hard way and earned it!

Except league we have to win all of our games left and still wait for manu to draw or lose again

Birmingham manager say carling cup isn't a priority so maybe he puts out a B side we can take advantage of

Oh and I think if his team wins anything they should be called the Egyptians, pullers of stones
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on February 21, 2011, 05:28:11 PM
Chamakk to me becoming like Ebouie contented to be the 2nd string that is so much shit to me!
The 2nd string team so poor boy wow!
You dissing Eboue. The man play decent against Barca.
Despite how he play against Barca he doesn't fight sagna for that spot look at his other performances.
Nobody eh dissing the man.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 21, 2011, 06:22:57 PM
Chamakk to me becoming like Ebouie contented to be the 2nd string that is so much shit to me!
The 2nd string team so poor boy wow!
You dissing Eboue. The man play decent against Barca.
Despite how he play against Barca he doesn't fight sagna for that spot look at his other performances.
Nobody eh dissing the man.
Point taken. He too inconsistent. But we know all the second string (except maybe Denilson and Squillaci) capable of better.

I like this Miquel fella. He and Gibbs make a rookie mistake on the goal but that was his only real mistake. I just hope he gets more time with the first team and doh get the "second-string-itis"
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 23, 2011, 07:40:54 AM
Every prem game is vital

We need to beat Stoke with a big stick!

Crap ref and no rvp or LK could be worrying

But this isn't a B squad starting today

Cheesey
Sagna JD Squill Clichy
Wilshire cesc song
Walcott chamakh/bendtner AA
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 24, 2011, 07:20:54 AM
Glad for the 3 points but worried about cesc n theo

Sunday is huge! Can not take this or Birmingham for granted!



And in other news: stock in horse placenta has risen sharply
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Jayerson on February 24, 2011, 07:57:34 AM
Glad for the 3 points but worried about cesc n theo

Sunday is huge! Can not take this or Birmingham for granted!



And in other news: stock in horse placenta has risen sharply

Competing in four compeitions is extremely difficult and wear and tear becomes a serious concern. At least we'll get one competition out of the way on Sunday. A final at Wembley...if you win can give a big boost to confidence.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on February 24, 2011, 08:08:31 AM
Glad for the 3 points but worried about cesc n theo

Sunday is huge! Can not take this or Birmingham for granted!



And in other news: stock in horse placenta has risen sharply

Competing in four compeitions is extremely difficult and wear and tear becomes a serious concern. At least we'll get one competition out of the way on Sunday. A final at Wembley...if you win can give a big boost to confidence.

i hear that walcott injured and not playing
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 24, 2011, 09:31:53 AM
Yup twisted ankle no word yet on how long he will be out

And cesc looking doubtful for Sunday

Is hard games between now and barca

is hard games between now and end of season
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Cantona007 on February 24, 2011, 09:59:02 AM
Arsenal look good for a few trophies this year. They are playing well and any slip-up from United and I think the league is theirs.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 24, 2011, 10:06:50 AM
Arsenal look good for a few trophies this year. They are playing well and any slip-up from United and I think the league is theirs.

thing is the league is almost Manu to lose, but they only have 3 "hard games" in the league
Arsenal away and Chelski home n away

i mean lose all three and they drop 9 points but its highly unlikely they will
that also means arsenal have to beat them and that would mean arsenalmade the league thiers

thing is arsenal now learning to win ugly and manu just dont seem able to lose except to wolves

its tight man city could go on a run if manu and arsenal slip
chelski maybe and spurs as a dark dark outside over the horizon horse


anyway i focused on sunday, hoping cesc is well to play and doesnt risk the rest of the season
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 24, 2011, 10:14:07 AM
Arsenal look good for a few trophies this year. They are playing well and any slip-up from United and I think the league is theirs.

thing is the league is almost Manu to lose, but they only have 3 "hard games" in the league
Arsenal away and Chelski home n away

i mean lose all three and they drop 9 points but its highly unlikely they will
that also means arsenal have to beat them and that would mean arsenalmade the league thiers

thing is arsenal now learning to win ugly and manu just dont seem able to lose except to wolves

its tight man city could go on a run if manu and arsenal slip
chelski maybe and spurs as a dark dark outside over the horizon horse


anyway i focused on sunday, hoping cesc is well to play and doesnt risk the rest of the season
Arsenal have no right missing out on Carling Cup even without Theo and Cesc. I agree it may not make sense playing Cesc even if he thinks he is fit. Not saying beating Birmingham will be easy, but d side should be able to do it. They need Koscielny and van Persie back fit though. Any word on those two?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Cantona007 on February 24, 2011, 10:27:08 AM
Arsenal look good for a few trophies this year. They are playing well and any slip-up from United and I think the league is theirs.

thing is the league is almost Manu to lose, but they only have 3 "hard games" in the league
Arsenal away and Chelski home n away

i mean lose all three and they drop 9 points but its highly unlikely they will
that also means arsenal have to beat them and that would mean arsenalmade the league thiers

thing is arsenal now learning to win ugly and manu just dont seem able to lose except to wolves

its tight man city could go on a run if manu and arsenal slip
chelski maybe and spurs as a dark dark outside over the horizon horse


anyway i focused on sunday, hoping cesc is well to play and doesnt risk the rest of the season

Liverpool away is also difficult. Thing is, United play badly away... I have discounted Spurs and Chelsea. Important point about Arsenal learning to win ugly though.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on February 24, 2011, 10:52:45 AM
Fiberglass injured his hamstring again.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on February 24, 2011, 10:55:20 AM
Arsenal look good for a few trophies this year. They are playing well and any slip-up from United and I think the league is theirs.

thing is the league is almost Manu to lose, but they only have 3 "hard games" in the league
Arsenal away and Chelski home n away

i mean lose all three and they drop 9 points but its highly unlikely they will
that also means arsenal have to beat them and that would mean arsenalmade the league thiers

thing is arsenal now learning to win ugly and manu just dont seem able to lose except to wolves

its tight man city could go on a run if manu and arsenal slip
chelski maybe and spurs as a dark dark outside over the horizon horse


anyway i focused on sunday, hoping cesc is well to play and doesnt risk the rest of the season

  If the team suffering injuries, arsene9 should say later for the Carling Cup.  Allyuh in a position to possibly upset Barca and, in spite of y'all current thirst for tropies, I really don't see it worth riskin' further complications by riskin' men for a not-so-significant trophy, given all else that is at stake.  Of course I hope he thinks otherwise.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on February 24, 2011, 10:56:03 AM
Fiberglass injured his hamstring again.

 :rotfl: Yuh givin' fiberglass a bad name!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on February 24, 2011, 11:38:02 AM
Arsenal look good for a few trophies this year. They are playing well and any slip-up from United and I think the league is theirs.

thing is the league is almost Manu to lose, but they only have 3 "hard games" in the league
Arsenal away and Chelski home n away

i mean lose all three and they drop 9 points but its highly unlikely they will
that also means arsenal have to beat them and that would mean arsenalmade the league thiers

thing is arsenal now learning to win ugly and manu just dont seem able to lose except to wolves

its tight man city could go on a run if manu and arsenal slip
chelski maybe and spurs as a dark dark outside over the horizon horse


anyway i focused on sunday, hoping cesc is well to play and doesnt risk the rest of the season

  If the team suffering injuries, arsene9 should say later for the Carling Cup.  Allyuh in a position to possibly upset Barca and, in spite of y'all current thirst for tropies, I really don't see it worth riskin' further complications by riskin' men for a not-so-significant trophy, given all else that is at stake.  Of course I hope he thinks otherwise.


Sounds advice Chow; hopefully that will help keep the trophyless years going.  ;)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 24, 2011, 02:40:17 PM
Arsenal.com just announced Fabregas out of the Carling Cup Final.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on February 24, 2011, 03:37:59 PM
Arsenal look good for a few trophies this year. They are playing well and any slip-up from United and I think the league is theirs.

thing is the league is almost Manu to lose, but they only have 3 "hard games" in the league
Arsenal away and Chelski home n away

i mean lose all three and they drop 9 points but its highly unlikely they will
that also means arsenal have to beat them and that would mean arsenalmade the league thiers

thing is arsenal now learning to win ugly and manu just dont seem able to lose except to wolves

its tight man city could go on a run if manu and arsenal slip
chelski maybe and spurs as a dark dark outside over the horizon horse


anyway i focused on sunday, hoping cesc is well to play and doesnt risk the rest of the season

  If the team suffering injuries, arsene9 should say later for the Carling Cup.  Allyuh in a position to possibly upset Barca and, in spite of y'all current thirst for tropies, I really don't see it worth riskin' further complications by riskin' men for a not-so-significant trophy, given all else that is at stake.  Of course I hope he thinks otherwise.


Sounds advice Chow; hopefully that will help keep the trophyless years going.  ;)
Ah know you like dat "advice", Giggsy, but doh fuhget ah hate allyuh side more than any other eh!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on February 24, 2011, 04:10:47 PM
Arsenal look good for a few trophies this year. They are playing well and any slip-up from United and I think the league is theirs.

thing is the league is almost Manu to lose, but they only have 3 "hard games" in the league
Arsenal away and Chelski home n away

i mean lose all three and they drop 9 points but its highly unlikely they will
that also means arsenal have to beat them and that would mean arsenalmade the league thiers

thing is arsenal now learning to win ugly and manu just dont seem able to lose except to wolves

its tight man city could go on a run if manu and arsenal slip
chelski maybe and spurs as a dark dark outside over the horizon horse


anyway i focused on sunday, hoping cesc is well to play and doesnt risk the rest of the season

  If the team suffering injuries, arsene9 should say later for the Carling Cup.  Allyuh in a position to possibly upset Barca and, in spite of y'all current thirst for tropies, I really don't see it worth riskin' further complications by riskin' men for a not-so-significant trophy, given all else that is at stake.  Of course I hope he thinks otherwise.

Wenger has shown in the past that he will stick with those player who got him to the Cup. remember when he had to face Chelsea in the final and everyone said he should go full strength. He has always used this tournament as developmental and I see no reason or him to change
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 24, 2011, 04:24:54 PM
Carling cup win was Chelsea first silverware under Jose M

So allyuh keyboard advisors can alt crtl delete

The biggest criticism of arsenal is no trophy since FA Cup 6 years ago

So to go and pull a move like not take this cup with both hands would be a huge insult to the fans

What if this sparked a taste for more in the squad? And the cabinet filled up quick like?

Just saying winners want to win it all
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on February 24, 2011, 06:04:48 PM
Arsenal look good for a few trophies this year. They are playing well and any slip-up from United and I think the league is theirs.

thing is the league is almost Manu to lose, but they only have 3 "hard games" in the league
Arsenal away and Chelski home n away

i mean lose all three and they drop 9 points but its highly unlikely they will
that also means arsenal have to beat them and that would mean arsenalmade the league thiers

thing is arsenal now learning to win ugly and manu just dont seem able to lose except to wolves

its tight man city could go on a run if manu and arsenal slip
chelski maybe and spurs as a dark dark outside over the horizon horse


anyway i focused on sunday, hoping cesc is well to play and doesnt risk the rest of the season

  If the team suffering injuries, arsene9 should say later for the Carling Cup.  Allyuh in a position to possibly upset Barca and, in spite of y'all current thirst for tropies, I really don't see it worth riskin' further complications by riskin' men for a not-so-significant trophy, given all else that is at stake.  Of course I hope he thinks otherwise.

Wenger has shown in the past that he will stick with those player who got him to the Cup. remember when he had to face Chelsea in the final and everyone said he should go full strength. He has always used this tournament as developmental and I see no reason or him to change

Good.  So he should stick with using his "developmental" players and not risk his "developed" players on Sunday.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on February 26, 2011, 10:16:03 AM
Arsenal look good for a few trophies this year. They are playing well and any slip-up from United and I think the league is theirs.

thing is the league is almost Manu to lose, but they only have 3 "hard games" in the league
Arsenal away and Chelski home n away

i mean lose all three and they drop 9 points but its highly unlikely they will
that also means arsenal have to beat them and that would mean arsenalmade the league thiers

thing is arsenal now learning to win ugly and manu just dont seem able to lose except to wolves

its tight man city could go on a run if manu and arsenal slip
chelski maybe and spurs as a dark dark outside over the horizon horse


anyway i focused on sunday, hoping cesc is well to play and doesnt risk the rest of the season

  If the team suffering injuries, arsene9 should say later for the Carling Cup.  Allyuh in a position to possibly upset Barca and, in spite of y'all current thirst for tropies, I really don't see it worth riskin' further complications by riskin' men for a not-so-significant trophy, given all else that is at stake.  Of course I hope he thinks otherwise.

Wenger has shown in the past that he will stick with those player who got him to the Cup. remember when he had to face Chelsea in the final and everyone said he should go full strength. He has always used this tournament as developmental and I see no reason or him to change

Good.  So he should stick with using his "developmental" players and not risk his "developed" players on Sunday.

I concerned bout how you go handle us taking everything this year ... you gonna be ok?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on February 26, 2011, 10:47:20 AM
Arsenal look good for a few trophies this year. They are playing well and any slip-up from United and I think the league is theirs.

thing is the league is almost Manu to lose, but they only have 3 "hard games" in the league
Arsenal away and Chelski home n away

i mean lose all three and they drop 9 points but its highly unlikely they will
that also means arsenal have to beat them and that would mean arsenalmade the league thiers

thing is arsenal now learning to win ugly and manu just dont seem able to lose except to wolves

its tight man city could go on a run if manu and arsenal slip
chelski maybe and spurs as a dark dark outside over the horizon horse


anyway i focused on sunday, hoping cesc is well to play and doesnt risk the rest of the season

  If the team suffering injuries, arsene9 should say later for the Carling Cup.  Allyuh in a position to possibly upset Barca and, in spite of y'all current thirst for tropies, I really don't see it worth riskin' further complications by riskin' men for a not-so-significant trophy, given all else that is at stake.  Of course I hope he thinks otherwise.

Wenger has shown in the past that he will stick with those player who got him to the Cup. remember when he had to face Chelsea in the final and everyone said he should go full strength. He has always used this tournament as developmental and I see no reason or him to change

Good.  So he should stick with using his "developmental" players and not risk his "developed" players on Sunday.

I concerned bout how you go handle us taking everything this year ... you gonna be ok?

  Allyuh could win a World Cup and I couldn't care less....Yuh better off being concerned about the next time allyuh face Barca.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on February 26, 2011, 10:51:36 AM
Arsenal look good for a few trophies this year. They are playing well and any slip-up from United and I think the league is theirs.

thing is the league is almost Manu to lose, but they only have 3 "hard games" in the league
Arsenal away and Chelski home n away

i mean lose all three and they drop 9 points but its highly unlikely they will
that also means arsenal have to beat them and that would mean arsenalmade the league thiers

thing is arsenal now learning to win ugly and manu just dont seem able to lose except to wolves

its tight man city could go on a run if manu and arsenal slip
chelski maybe and spurs as a dark dark outside over the horizon horse


anyway i focused on sunday, hoping cesc is well to play and doesnt risk the rest of the season

  If the team suffering injuries, arsene9 should say later for the Carling Cup.  Allyuh in a position to possibly upset Barca and, in spite of y'all current thirst for tropies, I really don't see it worth riskin' further complications by riskin' men for a not-so-significant trophy, given all else that is at stake.  Of course I hope he thinks otherwise.


Sounds advice Chow; hopefully that will help keep the trophyless years going.  ;)
Ah know you like dat "advice", Giggsy, but doh fuhget ah hate allyuh side more than any other eh!

Anything else would be uncivilize!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 26, 2011, 04:20:27 PM
ok ok

real nervous about tomorrow

Birmingham quiet and can do the business

but i hoping the lads will give it all and blood sweat and tears to win this for themselves, for cesc n theo, for wenger, for the club, for the fans

we need this so bad

probably wont sleep tonight
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Blue on February 26, 2011, 04:22:18 PM
ok ok

real nervous about tomorrow

Birmingham quiet and can do the business

but i hoping the lads will give it all and blood sweat and tears to win this for themselves, for cesc n theo, for wenger, for the club, for the fans

we need this so bad

probably wont sleep tonight


 :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 26, 2011, 04:32:01 PM
ok ok

real nervous about tomorrow

Birmingham quiet and can do the business

but i hoping the lads will give it all and blood sweat and tears to win this for themselves, for cesc n theo, for wenger, for the club, for the fans

we need this so bad

probably wont sleep tonight


 :rotfl:
Relax man. Nothing we can do about it. Gunners gotta do de business. Arsene better know!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on February 26, 2011, 05:05:25 PM
ok ok

real nervous about tomorrow

Birmingham quiet and can do the business

but i hoping the lads will give it all and blood sweat and tears to win this for themselves, for cesc n theo, for wenger, for the club, for the fans

we need this so bad

probably wont sleep tonight


  Oh PLEASE!!   Even without theo and tha other bish allyuh go roll over Birmingham.  History shows his side couldn't beat allyuh even if allyuh only played wit 10 men.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 26, 2011, 06:40:29 PM
As much as I am hoping that arsenal win tomo

I have one eye on Chelsea v Manu

But!

No faith that Chelsea will take any points off manu over both games

Chelsea just not looking like they can beat a top 4 team right now
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kicker on February 26, 2011, 09:57:36 PM
ok ok

real nervous about tomorrow

Birmingham quiet and can do the business

but i hoping the lads will give it all and blood sweat and tears to win this for themselves, for cesc n theo, for wenger, for the club, for the fans

we need this so bad

probably wont sleep tonight


Iz Carling cup you gettin' on so for?

Steeeeeupppsssss!!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on February 26, 2011, 11:51:38 PM
As much as I am hoping that arsenal win tomo

I have one eye on Chelsea v Manu

But!

No faith that Chelsea will take any points off manu over both games

Chelsea just not looking like they can beat a top 4 team right now

you have a cup final, your first real chance to win something since 2005 , and you have an eye on United.. ways allyuh closet fans peaking out clear as day hoss

so keep yuh eye on us and not 100% on ur own ting...I hope your eyes shed tears when Brum stun yuh and hopefully we get 3 points at the bridge
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on February 27, 2011, 10:29:19 AM
 :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on February 27, 2011, 10:58:01 AM
Mag we have we eye on everyone and everything.... while You sleep we work upwards into the night!
lol so low dat!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on February 27, 2011, 11:52:31 AM
Blight
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Trini68 on February 27, 2011, 11:53:19 AM
SHIT
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on February 27, 2011, 11:56:50 AM
Arsenal look good for a few trophies this year. They are playing well and any slip-up from United and I think the league is theirs.

thing is the league is almost Manu to lose, but they only have 3 "hard games" in the league
Arsenal away and Chelski home n away

i mean lose all three and they drop 9 points but its highly unlikely they will
that also means arsenal have to beat them and that would mean arsenalmade the league thiers

thing is arsenal now learning to win ugly and manu just dont seem able to lose except to wolves

its tight man city could go on a run if manu and arsenal slip
chelski maybe and spurs as a dark dark outside over the horizon horse


anyway i focused on sunday, hoping cesc is well to play and doesnt risk the rest of the season

  If the team suffering injuries, arsene9 should say later for the Carling Cup.  Allyuh in a position to possibly upset Barca and, in spite of y'all current thirst for tropies, I really don't see it worth riskin' further complications by riskin' men for a not-so-significant trophy, given all else that is at stake.  Of course I hope he thinks otherwise.

Wenger has shown in the past that he will stick with those player who got him to the Cup. remember when he had to face Chelsea in the final and everyone said he should go full strength. He has always used this tournament as developmental and I see no reason or him to change

Good.  So he should stick with using his "developmental" players and not risk his "developed" players on Sunday.

I concerned bout how you go handle us taking everything this year ... you gonna be ok?

  Allyuh could win a World Cup and I couldn't care less....Yuh better off being concerned about the next time allyuh face Barcairmingham.
:rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on February 27, 2011, 11:57:43 AM
foster reall save them and a lil piece of bad defending cost us...thems the breaks i guess.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: grimm01 on February 27, 2011, 12:09:03 PM
steups...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on February 27, 2011, 12:10:42 PM
As much as I am hoping that arsenal win tomo

I have one eye on Chelsea v Manu

But!

No faith that Chelsea will take any points off manu over both games

Chelsea just not looking like they can beat a top 4 team right now

...well....whatever dat "other" eye was/is on, yuh could take it and put on Barca now (unless yuh only have one eye, like Sauron) because allyuh dreams seem to be startin' to fall apart.....yet again.  I really thought allyuh had dis one in de bag.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: D.H.W on February 27, 2011, 12:13:12 PM
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Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on February 27, 2011, 12:14:49 PM
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:rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Blue on February 27, 2011, 12:20:30 PM
Unlucky Gunners, time to concentrate on the Premiership.This game ended in a worst case scenario for you guys...lost the game and lost Van Persie....dont look now, but this season could go the way of every other...a bunch of small men wid loads of talent but loads of injuries...I dont envy you trying to take on Barca without RVP/Fabregas/Walcott.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: 100% Barataria on February 27, 2011, 12:20:55 PM
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DHW, yuh real wicked  :rotfl:

Hard luck gunners fan, yuh still in CL and BPL chase
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on February 27, 2011, 12:38:35 PM
Unlucky Gunners, time to concentrate on the Premiership.This game ended in a worst case scenario for you guys...lost the game and lost Van Persie....dont look now, but this season could go the way of every other...a bunch of small men wid loads of talent but loads of injuries...I dont envy you trying to take on Barca without RVP/Fabregas/Walcott.

  If Chelsea doh handle business on Tuesday, (which they better had!) arsenal could forget about the Primiership. 
As far as their injury situation against Barca, arsene9 has been taking a few pages out fergie book over the years, so I expect him to play media games with the availability of those injured players up until matchday. That being said, things lookin' bleak for arsenal at this point.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on February 27, 2011, 12:41:07 PM
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 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Yuh killin meh yes!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on February 27, 2011, 12:46:30 PM
Hardluck Gunner fans; well done Birmingham! That is Arsene9's fault; thinks he can knock ball and get by with an inferior defense and keeper! Which Birmingham won because they had the better defense and keeper! Van Persie is a borse striker tho!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on February 27, 2011, 12:50:23 PM
As much as I am hoping that arsenal win tomo

I have one eye on Chelsea v Manu

But!

No faith that Chelsea will take any points off manu over both games

Chelsea just not looking like they can beat a top 4 team right now

you have a cup final, your first real chance to win something since 2005 , and you have an eye on United.. ways allyuh closet fans peaking out clear as day hoss

so keep yuh eye on us and not 100% on ur own ting...I hope your eyes shed tears when Brum stun yuh and hopefully we get 3 points at the bridge


Halfway there with my prediction

OBAFEMIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 27, 2011, 01:19:40 PM
Tight game. Hard luck about the result. Towards the end Arsenal looked like they would take it but Foster was a hero. Then Szczesny and Koscielny hit de self destruct button. Question to the Man U fans on de thread. Why the hell Fergie get rid of Foster?

I doh know boy. Gunners must be the unluckiest team in history. This getting to be like "Neverkusen".
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on February 27, 2011, 01:30:57 PM
Tight game. Hard luck about the result. Towards the end Arsenal looked like they would take it but Foster was a hero. Then Szczesny and Koscielny hit de self destruct button. Question to the Man U fans on de thread. Why the hell Fergie get rid of Foster?

I doh know boy. Gunners must be the unluckiest team in history. This getting to be like "Neverkusen".

He couldnt handle the pressure

He admitted it recently..  hear him na.. he say he want to have fun in football and enjoy it and at United its too much pressure... we have no time for pussies, we expect ambition and desire to want to win trophies ...

He is a great shot stopper and a brilliant keeper on his day.. I thought he could have been our next big keeper but he f**ked up

Some people cant handle it.. unfortunately he was one of them... glad for him though.. he was tops today.. no ill feelings.. was just upset at some of his comments
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on February 27, 2011, 01:38:02 PM
Tight game. Hard luck about the result. Towards the end Arsenal looked like they would take it but Foster was a hero. Then Szczesny and Koscielny hit de self destruct button. Question to the Man U fans on de thread. Why the hell Fergie get rid of Foster?

I doh know boy. Gunners must be the unluckiest team in history. This getting to be like "Neverkusen".

Like Small said, Foster can't handle pressure and he use to be vapsin during matches. That shite he did against Man City when he let Tevez hustle him of the ball to set up Barry, was prime example. He did some same vapsy shite playing for England. I think he is at the level where he is comfortable. I do enjoy it doh when he plays well agianst our rivals.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on February 27, 2011, 02:09:33 PM
"Breaking News: moths sign new tenancy extension for Arsenal trophy cabinet.

When interviewed, Mr Moth said "we didn't bother packing before the game, there was no point. We may be moths, but we aren't f**king stupid. "

A quote written by a fan in the Guardian newspaper.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on February 27, 2011, 02:17:48 PM
This time last year, Arsene Wenger claimed that whilst he was desperate to end Arsenal’s trophy drought, stretching all the way back to 2005, he didn’t regard the League Cup as a trophy.

“It’s very important that we win something,” Wenger said. “We’re here to win trophies. But it depends on what you call trophies. Is it the Champions League, the Premier League, the League Cup? If you win the League Cup, for me, you cannot say that you win trophies.”

As grown men stood inside Wembley stadium crying today, after watching Birmingham score a late winner thanks to a monumental f**k up from Wojciech Szczesny and Laurent Koscielny, it’s hard to believe they shared the opinion of their manager.

It was an odd day, starting with Arsenal players showing up at Wembley in their trackies, rather the customary suits.

Then, a few minutes in to the game Lee Bowyer beat the offside trap and was one on one with the keeper. Szczesny brought him down and didn’t win the ball but was saved by the linesman who incorrectly flagged Bowyer as offside. Replays showed he was a good two yards onside. Had the linesman got the decision right, Birmingham would have been awarded a penalty and Arsenal would have gone down to ten men. This decision was the latest of a long line which make a mockery of Szczesny’s claim earlier this season that it is Manchester United who always got the decisions.

From that point on, you couldn’t see past an Arsenal win, particularly when considering the 14 places that separate them in the league. But Arsenal failed to pick up Zigic to make it 1-0 and after a cracking Robin van Persie equaliser, couldn’t save them, and then threw away the trophy thanks to a bizarre lack of communication at the back.

Szczesny has been very vocal on Twitter, most recently trying to take the piss out of Ashley Cole for his penalty miss against Everton in the FA Cup. “Is it a plane? Is it an aeroplane? No, its just ashley throwing chelsea out of the fa cup.” It’s safe to say he deserves all the piss taking which will now come his way after throwing Arsenal out of the League Cup final.

Ben Foster was Man of the Match for United when we won the competition back in 2009 and was Man of the Match again today for Birmingham. Ahead of the game he claimed that United didn’t even bother celebrating the trophy then, that is was business as usual in training the next day, but there’s no doubt Birmingham will be celebrating this one.

As for Arsenal, yet another opportunity to win a trophy passes them by and despite what Wenger believed last week, they now can’t win the quadruple. At least they don’t spend a lot of money in the transfer market though. That’s a real achievement.
http://therepublikofmancunia.com/its-a-good-job-arsenal-dont-care-about-the-league-cup/

Szczesny.. I know he is a kid but his twitter rants are amusing .. he always talks about United and slammed Ashley Cole recently for his pen miss

Hope he ready for the banter coming his way.. talk talk talk.. karma bitch

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Peong on February 27, 2011, 02:23:57 PM
Arsenal is de absolute worst.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kicker on February 27, 2011, 03:11:58 PM
Goes to show that football is about match ups and not always "aggregate superiority" (for lack of a better term).

Arsenal is superior to Birmingham in aggregate...but Birmingham put their size advantage to good use on the day.

Barca is superior to Arsenal in aggregate, but Arsenal put their speed and discipline to good use on the day

Arsenal beats Barca then ties with Leyton Orient and loses to Birmingham...

The beautiful game....

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 27, 2011, 04:00:55 PM
Goes to show that football is about match ups and not always "aggregate superiority" (for lack of a better term).

Arsenal is superior to Birmingham in aggregate...but Birmingham put their size advantage to good use on the day.

Barca is superior to Arsenal in aggregate, but Arsenal put their speed and discipline to good use on the day

Arsenal beats Barca then ties with Leyton Orient and loses to Birmingham...

The beautiful game....


Doesn't feel so beautiful today. But same as I said with Barca game. Barca is better on paper, but they play football on grass. Same with Arsenal and Brum. They were disciplined and took their chances. Fair play to them. And their keeper was better than ours. Szczesny was due a bad game though. He has been excellent before this. Oh well, pick yourselves up Arsenal. Still 3 pots to play for.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on February 27, 2011, 05:19:46 PM
nice nice news to come home to  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bourbon on February 27, 2011, 08:44:01 PM
I does feel so sorry for dis side at times yes.




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Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 28, 2011, 06:20:49 AM
Stupid mistake late in the game
Arsenal beat themselves and credit to birmingham
Forget all the what ifs, it was a good game we effed up and they deserve it

Eye still on Chelsea not having what it takes to beat manu twice this aseason
I only care because it would help us if they did

That doesn't take away that arsenal have to groo themselves and win all their prem games

While navigating a fa replay, then sunderland, then barca and if we make it through fa cup to face manu and face them in the league where if chelses fail to take points off them arsenal will have to beat them

But if we slip before that game and chelsea haven't beat them then it wouldn't matter

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on February 28, 2011, 10:32:48 AM
As much as I am hoping that arsenal win tomo

I have one eye on Chelsea v Manu

But!

No faith that Chelsea will take any points off manu over both games

Chelsea just not looking like they can beat a top 4 team right now

you have a cup final, your first real chance to win something since 2005 , and you have an eye on United.. ways allyuh closet fans peaking out clear as day hoss

so keep yuh eye on us and not 100% on ur own ting...I hope your eyes shed tears when Brum stun yuh and hopefully we get 3 points at the bridge
i love the brazen bullshit manu fans come out with
all because of fergie and his players success
yet you fail to realise your continue to show no class whatsoever you might be winners and champions but you surely act like low class scum.
true colors always shine through
manu colors arent red or green and gold its shit brown
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bally on March 01, 2011, 02:18:52 PM
Van Persie out of Barca trip
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Robin van Persie will miss Arsenal's Champions League trip to Barcelona after being ruled out for at least three weeks with a knee injury.

Van Persie sustained the injury in Sunday's Carling Cup final defeat by Birmingham.

However, Arsene Wenger described Cesc Fabregas as a "possible" for the Nou Camp trip after revealing he is making quick progress in his rehabilitation from a hamstring problem.


 

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Losing Van Persie is a seismic blow to Arsenal's hopes of staging another upset against the Spanish champions.

The in-form 27-year-old Holland striker sustained the injury in the act of scoring Arsenal's equaliser during the 2-1 defeat at Wembley.

The goal was his 13th in 11 games - a haul that includes the equaliser against Barcelona in the first leg, which the Gunners edged 2-1.

"Unfortunately, we had bad news on the scan and he will be out for the next three weeks for sure," Wenger told Arsenal TV Online.

"It could be longer. The shortest delay we can imagine is three weeks, so he is definitely out for Barcelona."

The loss of Van Persie has been slightly tempered by the encouraging update on Fabregas' fitness.

The Spain midfielder sustained his hamstring problem against Stoke last Wednesday but has responded well to treatment.

He will definitely miss Wednesday's FA Cup fifth-round replay against Leyton Orient and Saturday's Barclays Premier League showdown with Sunderland, but could return for Barcelona.

"Cesc is looking possible [for that game]. He is making quick and good progress. It is possible," said Wenger.

Theo Walcott, who had already been ruled out against Barcelona, remains a fortnight away from recovering from his sprained ankle.

"He is out. We said from the day he got the injury against Stoke you could count three weeks," said Wenger.

Alex Song incurred a knee problem against Birmingham and will miss the tie against Orient tomorrow, but should return against Barcelona.

Laurent Koscielny is nursing a minor hamstring problem and will be rested for the replay

Manuel Almunia will start in goal with Wojciech Szczesny on the bench and midfielder Abou Diaby is expected to feature.

"Alex Song has a knee problem. From his scan we had good news, it is only blood from a kick on the outside of his knee," said Wenger.

"He is out for Leyton Orient and has a very small chance for Saturday. But he has a good chance for Barcelona.

"Koscielny has a tight hamstring. There is a little bit of fatigue in there as well so we will give him a breather.

"Almunia needs games so he will play, but Wojciech is all right and will be on the bench.

"Diaby was not in the squad on Sunday. I was cautious with him.

"He has missed many games this season and I did not want to take a gamble with the intensity of a cup final. He will play tomorrow night."

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on March 01, 2011, 02:59:08 PM
Park the bus bread van!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 01, 2011, 04:10:25 PM
Park the bus bread van!
eh? ???
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 02, 2011, 10:03:16 AM
orient at arsenal today

must say the line up not looking like it will rais any kinda spirits except alcohol after the game

Almunia ( :o )
Eboue Squillaci Miquel Gibbs
Diaby Rosicky Denilson
AA Chamakh Bendtner
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kicker on March 02, 2011, 10:04:33 AM
orient at arsenal today

must say the line up not looking like it will rais any kinda spirits except alcohol after the game

Almunia ( :o )
Eboue Squillaci Miquel Gibbs
Diaby Rosicky Denilson
AA Chamakh Bendtner

That should be enough to beat L. Orient- especially at home. 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 02, 2011, 10:22:40 AM
orient at arsenal today

must say the line up not looking like it will rais any kinda spirits except alcohol after the game

Almunia ( :o )
Eboue Squillaci Miquel Gibbs
Diaby Rosicky Denilson
AA Chamakh Bendtner

That should be enough to beat L. Orient- especially at home. 

orient coming with same game plan plus a spring in thier step like every team that we face knowing if they try hardenough the can get soemthing and even beat us or force us to beat ourselves

that said with more space and better surface at home orient might be chasing shadows this time around
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on March 02, 2011, 11:52:48 AM
Park the bus bread van!

  ...and walk wit a mechanic!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 02, 2011, 11:56:59 AM
Park the bus bread van!

  ...and walk wit a mechanic!

eh squared what all yuh really talking about? who parking what vehicle where?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on March 02, 2011, 12:34:25 PM
Park the bus bread van!

  ...and walk wit a mechanic!

eh squared what all yuh really talking about? who parking what vehicle where?

  Walk wit a "mechanic" because, wit all the injuries allyuh have, whether yuh park the bus or drive it off a cliff, it need "fixin".   
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 02, 2011, 12:40:15 PM
Park the bus bread van!

  ...and walk wit a mechanic!

eh squared what all yuh really talking about? who parking what vehicle where?

  Walk wit a "mechanic" because, wit all the injuries allyuh have, whether yuh park the bus or drive it off a cliff, it need "fixin".   

i am wondering if the injuuries we are seeing are on some parallel to what happened to Micheal Owen, he started off young hot n unstoppable then after his first real big hammy tear he was plagued by injuries afterwards
we have so many youngsters who are very suseptable to injuries

im no sport scientist but it just aint right

as for the bus we doh park no bus, bread van, maxi, taxi, scooter, cart, skateboard, match box car, nuttin! we play the game and we play it well :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on March 02, 2011, 01:10:08 PM
Park the bus bread van!

  ...and walk wit a mechanic!

eh squared what all yuh really talking about? who parking what vehicle where?

  Walk wit a "mechanic" because, wit all the injuries allyuh have, whether yuh park the bus or drive it off a cliff, it need "fixin".   

i am wondering if the injuuries we are seeing are on some parallel to whathappened to Micheal Owen, he started off young hot n unstoppable then afte rhis first real big hammy tear he was plagued by injuries afterwards
we have so many youngsters who are very suseptable to injuries

im no sport scientist but it just aint right

as for the bus we doh park no bus, bread van, maxi, taxi, scooter, cart, skateboard, match box car, nuttin! we play the game and we play it well :beermug:

  I eh noe sport scientist, either, but one thing I do understand....the brand of football that arsenal is lookin' to play....it will only work but so well without the necessary bite that is needed to thrive in the EPL.  You HAVE to have them rough and rugged players (like David Luiz, Michael Essien, Alex, John Obi Mikel, John Terry and Ivanovic) that have the grit and body to handle the EPL style.  Otherwise allyuh go be goin' through the same thing, over and over.  Don't get me wrong, them names I call there, they will get and have gotten injuries, too....but it hasn't seemed to have hurt us as much.   :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 02, 2011, 03:52:11 PM
hello Manu!

see you soon
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on March 02, 2011, 04:19:16 PM
hello Manu!

see you soon

you shouldn't be so excited
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 03, 2011, 06:50:34 AM
hello Manu!

see you soon

you shouldn't be so excited
Doh worry we walking with Martin Atkinson  :beermug: :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 03, 2011, 09:04:40 AM
Honestly I not too glad we hadda play a FA Cup quarter final against Man U right after the Barca game. Dat is 2 hard games in a row and honestly, much as I like de games, I doh give a fishes tit bout no FA Cup. I say play a B side, let Man U take it if dey want and lewwe wine on dem for de Premiership. Years now Wenger scorn FA and Carling Cup, now he get so desperate he want anyting dat pass, and it cost us van Persie, the best striker in England when he fit. The club so taking on de media and dey chupidness dey trying for all trophies and de team fallin apart. Who gives ah ass if dey ent win in 5 years, dey knew when dey leave Highbury dat dis woulda happen, now dey let de short term thinking shoot us in the foot when Arsenal playing the best football in England and top 5 in Europe. Wenger, yuh f*ckin up when you have de whole world at your mercy! Pull it together and focus on de prize.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on March 03, 2011, 09:13:17 AM
With van persie and walcott out I doh see where our goals are going to come from....   :-[  i think we have a problem in our remaining matches now ... the relacements to me doh have enough quality
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 03, 2011, 09:20:50 AM
With van persie and walcott out I doh see where our goals are going to come from....   :-[  i think we have a problem in our remaining matches now ... the relacements to me doh have enough quality
Bendtner, Nasri, Arshavin. They not the first pick, but they can manage it.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Peong on March 03, 2011, 10:04:25 AM
Arshavin need to play like he playin for Russia.
I kinda dissapointed that he hasn't been consistent.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on March 03, 2011, 11:07:30 AM
hello Manu!

see you soon

you shouldn't be so excited
Doh worry we walking with Martin Atkinson  :beermug: :beermug:

Too bad yuh cyah walk wit de man who could REALLY help allyuh cause: David Luiz. 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on March 03, 2011, 11:28:26 AM
Dont give up guys, you can still take out Barca at least.
A draw will be enough.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on March 03, 2011, 11:43:07 AM
Dont give up guys, you can still take out Barca at least.
A draw will be enough.

 :rotfl: Allyuh go ahead and listen to Sammy......manu and dey fans eh WANT to see Barca again in Champions' League! It go take a REAL side to handle Real Madrid, and manu and Chelsea...so allyuh need to stop foolin' allyuh selves and let the Pros handle things.  It was nice havin' allyuh around, but bye-bye. (and I eh care hummuch o' allyuh so-called wounded miraculously recover fuh Tuesday...allyuh DONE!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on March 04, 2011, 08:06:26 AM
Cesc Fabregas Factor: Why the Arsenal Captain is the Class of the EPL
By Michael Henriksen (Contributor) on March 4, 2011 - London 396
 
His pace is lacking. He’s not a clinical finisher. His numbers are hardly impressive for a superstar: 3 goals and 9 assists in 20 league games.

He‘s statistically outshined by his own teammates. Samir Nasri is in the middle of his best season ever, with 9 goals to his name. Robin Van Persie has 10 goals and 5 assists. Even Andrei Arshavin has netted 5 goals and assisted on 11 more despite being in poor form for much of the season.

But what’s the one stat Cesc Fabregas cares most about? Wins.

And in English football, there is nobody whose presence in the lineup leads to more W’s.   With Fabregas playing, Arsenal are 15-3-3 in league games, averaging 2.28 points from each game. Without him, however, they are only 2-2-2, earning only 1.33 points on average.

It’s the difference between being in the Champions League year after year and missing out on European football.

It’s the difference between potentially trailing United by only one point come Saturday evening, and just playing for the FA Cup at this stage in the year.

Game after game, his presence or absence on the field dictates which Arsenal side shows up. The fluid, ball-hogging, merciless European juggernauts, or the exposed, disorganized, Wenger-kids that haven’t matured yet.

He transforms a side that can be tantalizingly infuriating into a legitimate Euro threat. He creates vast attacking options through his distribution of the ball. He completely dictates the pace of the game with his touches in the midfield.   

Certain games tell the story perfectly. For instance, on September 18, when Arsenal visited Sunderland, Fabregas hobbled off the pitch in the 29th minute with a goal and his team leading 1-0. His replacement, Tomas Rosicky, ended up leaving his mark on the game by missing a penalty before Sunderland equalised in the 96th minute.

Most recently against Stoke, Arsenal opened with a flurry of chances, and took a 1-0 lead before Cesc had to go off with a hamstring problem in the 14th minute. After that, they looked uninspiring in the final third, and were fortunate to take away three points as the game ended 1-0.

In the Carling Cup final without Cesc, the Gunners’ attack never was able to break down Birmingham’s ranks and score a go-ahead goal, leaving them vulnerable to fumble away the Cup.

Arsenal  have struggled to banish lower sides from the FA Cup without their skipper. They were down 1-0 at home to Leeds before Cesc came on and inspired the comeback. Again, against Huddersfield he entered a 1-1 game late and the Gunners walked away 2-1 victors. Without him, League One side Leyton Orient forced a replay against Arsene Wenger’s much more talented squad.

 
In the Champions League, Arsenal relinquished top spot in the group by losing 2-1 to Shaktar Donetsk. Fabregas missed that game, too. As a result, they are now up against the world’s best team in Barcelona.

And fittingly, it was Fabregas’s through ball that led to the Gunners’ 2-1 win at the Emirates.

Hopefully it’s becoming clear why Barca launched such a strong campaign last summer to reacquire their former La Masia starlet, despite already having the best midfield in the game.

The one thing that’s been missing from Fabregas’s repertoire has been his finishing. His three league goals have come off 55 shots. Such a low conversion rate would be more noticeable if those shots weren’t scattered among all the chances he creates for others.

Last year he was far more authoritative in front of goal, netting 19 goals on 108 shots in all competitions for Arsenal.

His bad habit of missing games with hamstring problems has proved highly detrimental to Arsenal. Currently, he is sidelined again, but claims to feel no pain in training. If Arsenal are to triumph against Barcelona this coming Tuesday at Camp Nou, it is vital that Fabregas features.

Striker Robin Van Persie and winger Theo Walcott have already been ruled out, perhaps the two attacking options that benefit most from Fabregas’s distribution of the ball. We will likely see Andrei Arshavin and Niklas Bendtner start instead.

 
Apart from struggling alongside each other at times this season, both players often seem too caught up in their own performances to reap the rewards of Fabregas’s vision and intricate passing.

Wenger has been cautiously optimistic in his assessment of Fabregas’s chances of making the game. He knows how important No. 4 is to his lineup. Do we really believe there’s even a small chance Fabregas sits on the bench?

Whether he can lead his team to victory or not is another question. He will certainly need help, especially from his back four and Alex Song if they are to survive the Barcelona onslaught.

Last year without Fabregas, Arsenal were dominated by Messi and company and lost 4-1.  This year, as long as El Capitan is on the pitch, the Gunners at least stand a chance.

Given how greatly he transforms his team, there’s no other player in England I’d rather have for this game.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on March 04, 2011, 10:07:44 AM
And in English football, there is nobody whose presence in the lineup leads to more W’s.   With Fabregas playing, Arsenal are 15-3-3 in league games, averaging 2.28 points from each game. Without him, however, they are only 2-2-2, earning only 1.33 points on average.

In games that van Persie started this season, Arsenal's record is 8W-2D-1L.

Here's a stat from since he's joined the club:

He has missed 42.75 per cent of the club's league games, playing only 109 of a possible 255 matches, since signing from Feyenoord in 2004. And without him the stats do not make good reading: Arsenal's win ratio minus the striker in the Premier League is 56%, compared to 78% with him in the side.

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2011/03/03/2375619/from-broken-metatarsals-to-knee-ligament-tears-robin-van-persies-?sms_ss=gmail&at_xt=4d710ce2e0b216ef%2C0
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 04, 2011, 03:02:56 PM
oh gaddo

here comes sunderland

really studying what the squad will be tomo

Sheezy
Sagna JD LK/Squill Clichy
Diaby Wilshire/Ramsey
Nasri
AA Chamakh Bendtner

would like to see ramsey back in squad and wilshire rest for next week but i feel wilshire have more strength than rambo
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on March 04, 2011, 03:25:59 PM
Interested in seeing Ramsey play ... word is he was better than Wilshire ... wanna see what he brings.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on March 04, 2011, 05:35:13 PM
Interested in seeing Ramsey play ... word is he was better than Wilshire ... wanna see what he brings.

me too sah...bring on rambo
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: D.H.W on March 05, 2011, 10:52:57 AM
lol  :devil: well done sunderland
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: elan on March 05, 2011, 11:40:47 AM
Hard luck there fellas you all we undone by some excellent goalkeeping and convenient refereeing.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: DeSoWa on March 05, 2011, 01:13:35 PM
Hard luck there fellas you all we undone by some excellent goalkeeping and convenient refereeing.

It's really interesting to see how ref decisions does help Man U whether they playing or not  :-\ Anyways...Arsenal still shoulda at least put away 1 of their many chances.

Big Up!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: elan on March 05, 2011, 01:30:07 PM
Hard luck there fellas you all we undone by some excellent goalkeeping and convenient refereeing.

It's really interesting to see how ref decisions does help Man U whether they playing or not  :-\ Anyways...Arsenal still shoulda at least put away 1 of their many chances.

Big Up!

The goal was not offside.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: DeSoWa on March 05, 2011, 01:50:06 PM
Hard luck there fellas you all we undone by some excellent goalkeeping and convenient refereeing.

It's really interesting to see how ref decisions does help Man U whether they playing or not  :-\ Anyways...Arsenal still shoulda at least put away 1 of their many chances.

Big Up!

The goal was not offside.

I know, plus that was a clear penalty about 5 minutes before that...but say what...that's the way it goes sometimes...Gunner Stunner would come and give his rant about refs in the PL soon  ;D

Big Up!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 05, 2011, 04:40:22 PM
Hard luck there fellas you all we undone by some excellent goalkeeping and convenient refereeing.

It's really interesting to see how ref decisions does help Man U whether they playing or not  :-\ Anyways...Arsenal still shoulda at least put away 1 of their many chances.

Big Up!

The goal was not offside.

I know, plus that was a clear penalty about 5 minutes before that...but say what...that's the way it goes sometimes...Gunner Stunner would come and give his rant about refs in the PL soon  ;D

Big Up!
Hard luck there Gunners. Well the gap closed, but not to 1 point, unfortunately. 3 points is still 1 game though. I can't really blame the team though, the ref was horrible and Mignolet real save. At least Wellbeck didn't poison we in de closing minutes. Wenger say he disgusted. He damn right!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kev on March 06, 2011, 01:31:47 AM
Hard luck there fellas you all we undone by some excellent goalkeeping and convenient refereeing.

It's really interesting to see how ref decisions does help Man U whether they playing or not  :-\ Anyways...Arsenal still shoulda at least put away 1 of their many chances.

Big Up!

The goal was not offside.



No it wasn't but it was one of those that you can't really blame the linemans as it was so close, could of easily went the other way.  Without the replay I would suspect the fans in line would of been split 50/50 whether it was or not.  Unlike the Cup Final the previous week when the Wigan player was at least 2 yards on side with the official in line, those are the ones I have a problem with as its just down to the official being poor.  During the season you probably get a couple for you and a couple against you when its that close, the rule itself is more stupid and causes more hassle than those decisions imho.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: rotatopoti3 on March 06, 2011, 10:22:17 AM
Well Arsenal fans..sorry u got thief against Sunderland yesterday....

We did you a favour of beating Manure today.....

Hold your side of the bargain and hope u win the league
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on March 06, 2011, 10:45:17 AM
No it wasn't but it was one of those that you can't really blame the linemans as it was so close, could of easily went the other way.  Without the replay I would suspect the fans in line would of been split 50/50 whether it was or not.  Unlike the Cup Final the previous week when the Wigan player was at least 2 yards on side with the official in line, those are the ones I have a problem with as its just down to the official being poor.  During the season you probably get a couple for you and a couple against you when its that close, the rule itself is more stupid and causes more hassle than those decisions imho.

I hear you. But you're always going to be upset when the call goes against your team. How close it was doesn't make a difference. Especially under circumstances like yesterday.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on March 06, 2011, 10:55:54 AM
Hold your side of the bargain and hope u win the league

  Yeah, PLEASE!! lesser of two :devil:s kinda ting.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 06, 2011, 02:01:40 PM
Didn't see the game yet bit read that the offsidé goal wasn't offiside and a fair shout for a penalty turned down
Thems the breaks we didn't lose and manu did today so keep on trucking on
Injuries plaguing us still but we keep moving forward
Now off to Barca

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 07, 2011, 10:32:54 AM
so song out cesc 90% egad-o

nerves nerves!

        Scheesy
Sagna JD LK CLichy
    Diaby Wilshire
         Nasri
AA Chamakh Bendtner

if cesc fit then...

      Scheesy
Sagna JD LK CLichy
    Diaby Wilshire
         Cesc
AA Bendtner Nasri


think thats the best we got
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kicker on March 07, 2011, 12:16:26 PM
Barca without both of their starting central defenders Puyol and Pique...

That should put a smile on the gunners' face...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Trini68 on March 07, 2011, 12:51:40 PM
I just see Van Persie in the squad :D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 07, 2011, 07:28:33 PM
I just see Van Persie in the squad :D

so so we will see,

wenger say wilshire wont replace song :(

that means diaby or denilson which means we dead neither plays with the intesity that jack does

we need to hassle the mid and have our play makers cesc n nasri and arshavin in his own way do thier thing

all in all i hope we see another fantastic game of football
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Trini68 on March 07, 2011, 11:36:49 PM
I just see Van Persie in the squad :D

so so we will see,

wenger say wilshire wont replace song :(

that means diaby or denilson which means we dead neither plays with the intesity that jack does

we need to hassle the mid and have our play makers cesc n nasri and arshavin in his own way do thier thing

all in all i hope we see another fantastic game of football

Hmm..I hope Wenger change he mind....you think we starting the Dane and Chamakh and subbing for AA/vP?

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on March 08, 2011, 06:35:38 AM
For those who like stats:

With Johan Djourou in their defence, Arsenal have conceded a PL goal every 319 minutes this season. Without him, that figure is 54 minutes.

http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8750_6800826,00.html
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 08, 2011, 07:15:53 AM
Yup all season once JD pairs LK or Squill we defend better
Any other pair cept for Tommy V is worries


Ah well hours to go, come on you Gooooners!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on March 08, 2011, 10:50:46 AM
Barca without both of their starting central defenders Puyol and Pique...

That should put a smile on the gunners' face...

Ah lookin' to put de  :( back on theirs and a bigger  ;D on mine....dey was without dem last year, too.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 08, 2011, 11:50:41 AM
Barca without both of their starting central defenders Puyol and Pique...

That should put a smile on the gunners' face...

Ah lookin' to put de  :( back on theirs and a bigger  ;D on mine....dey was without dem last year, too.
the past doesnt write the future
the present writes the past
the future is to be decided

lets go you goooners!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on March 08, 2011, 02:06:16 PM
Uh Oh.
Szczęsny off injured after 20th minutes. Almunia to save the day?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on March 08, 2011, 02:20:37 PM
This is total domination by Barca.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Blue on March 08, 2011, 02:36:13 PM
This is total domination by Barca.

time to focus on the FA Cup folks
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 08, 2011, 02:53:03 PM
This is total domination by Barca.

time to focus on the FA Cup folks
you talking to Arsneal or Chelski? oh yes thats right, you running out of straws to grasp at
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Blue on March 08, 2011, 02:54:11 PM
This is total domination by Barca.

time to focus on the FA Cup folks
you talking to Arsneal or Chelski? oh yes thats right, you running out of straws to grasp at

See you in the quarterfinal then?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Andre on March 08, 2011, 03:36:05 PM
former arsenal man eduardo going to the quarters with shaktar.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on March 08, 2011, 03:48:28 PM
Uh Oh.
Szczęsny off injured after 20th minutes. Almunia to save the day?

Almunia might have just resurrected his career with his performance today.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on March 08, 2011, 04:45:07 PM
former arsenal man eduardo going to the quarters with shaktar.

Look for Shaktar to go further. They have good athleticism and ability to penetrate. very hard to beat!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on March 08, 2011, 05:09:25 PM
Uh Oh.
Szczęsny off injured after 20th minutes. Almunia to save the day?

Almunia might have just resurrected his career with his performance today.

Is the moments of madness that have him on the bench. If you leave him out there long enough, it's only a matter of time.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 08, 2011, 05:56:01 PM
Licks boy! not one shot!

Back to the training ground lads!

At least the aggregate was closer than last year

Now I'd like to see them win it




That reff is stupid, nothing more to say about him



Barca earned it fairly
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Trini68 on March 08, 2011, 06:21:40 PM
Barca played a good game...hope they go on to win it. I don't understand the referee's sending off of Van Persie though.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on March 08, 2011, 07:04:23 PM
eff barca...i backing shaktar to go far in this tourney
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Feliziano on March 08, 2011, 08:25:51 PM
Interested in seeing Ramsey play ... word is he was better than Wilshire ... wanna see what he brings.

me too sah...bring on rambo

hopefully Ramsey bounces back with the confidence he had before that injury cause he is a much better player than Wilshire..who btw is turning into a 'complainer' but at least England will end up with a pretty decent ball playing defensive midfielder.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on March 08, 2011, 10:49:58 PM
Barca without both of their starting central defenders Puyol and Pique...

That should put a smile on the gunners' face...

Ah lookin' to put de  :( back on theirs and a bigger  ;D on mine....dey was without dem last year, too.
the past doesnt write the future
the present writes the past
the future is to be decided

lets go you goooners!

  Hard luck dey....Barcelona wrote the future today and they wrote arsenal into history.  Better luck nex' year.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on March 09, 2011, 01:56:29 AM
Barca gonna win it !
To even have a chance of coping with them we have to be at full, full strength which means Song, Vermalean, Walcott and even so .... is 50 50!
Van Persie sending off was kinda ridiculous...... You can't hold this team off with 10 men
I said it before and I said it again .... if you could stop Messi you could stop BArca BUT THE REAL QUESTION IS HOW DO YOU DO THAT?
There was a time at  Napoli when Diego was in this kinda form ......
Any suggestions? Kryptonite?
the possesion was 76 to 24 ...... Arsenal had the ball less than quarter of the time .... mind numbing shit!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 09, 2011, 06:15:23 AM
You forgot 0 shots not even an off target shot

If bendtner could trap and shoot properly we might of had one

Disaspopinted yes will we learn? Hopefully

Now to deal with manu in d cup

If ratheé face them in the league, maybe kick them when they down

Last thing we want us manu beating us and turning around their last two defeats and going on

If there was a way to beat them and drop out fa n focus on league if take it

But we are down to 2 chances at silverware

I wouldn't want to know what it feels like to maybe reach da cup finals and lose that then also end up 2nd in league


It would solidify that Arsenal are good but just not that good enough

This team needs to prove it

Being home the silver!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on March 09, 2011, 09:31:14 AM
We're not gonna meet another team that can possess the ball like barca including man u  ... the things we really need to learn from barca is...... the transition from defense to attack .... when you have the ball barca hounds you ... I've never seen a team that can win back possession as quickly as barca ... I mean never.
This is what these youths need to take and learn from playing this team .. closing down space this quickly with the midfielders and forwards doing that kind of work the defense will never be tested as regularly as it can be and it will never be under as much pressure as it could be.
The fact that Arsenal defense comes under so much pressure shows a defensive failing with the mids and the forwards.
Barca comes at you in two's, three's, they smother you, bother you, and support and movement is everywhere and despite this if you van lock down Messi you can still affect their offense significantly.

In Mourinho's book he said he knew his team was gonna get a guy sent off so in practice he played his team a man short to deal with the added pressure .. overload!
Walcott's pace is an outlet defensively and he gives you something you can't coach ... speed to at least put distance between the mid and then give time for our midifeld to catch their breath and link with him we need him back... badly and his wingplay creates the majority of Van Persie's goals ... we are a different team without him!
I'll be honest I was disappointed with Arsenal's effort they didnt play to win.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 09, 2011, 10:33:18 AM
We're not gonna meet another team that can possess the ball like barca including man u  ... the things we really need to learn from barca is...... the transition from defense to attack .... when you have the ball barca hounds you ... I've never seen a team that can win back possession as quickly as barca ... I mean never.
This is what these youths need to take and learn from playing this team .. closing down space this quickly with the midfielders and forwards doing that kind of work the defense will never be tested as regularly as it can be and it will never be under as much pressure as it could be.
The fact that Arsenal defense comes under so much pressure shows a defensive failing with the mids and the forwards.
Barca comes at you in two's, three's, they smother you, bother you, and support and movement is everywhere and despite this if you van lock down Messi you can still affect their offense significantly.

In Mourinho's book he said he knew his team was gonna get a guy sent off so in practice he played his team a man short to deal with the added pressure .. overload!
Walcott's pace is an outlet defensively and he gives you something you can't coach ... speed to at least put distance between the mid and then give time for our midifeld to catch their breath and link with him we need him back... badly and his wingplay creates the majority of Van Persie's goals ... we are a different team without him!
I'll be honest I was disappointed with Arsenal's effort they didnt play to win.
I don't think  they didn't play to win. I think they couldn't get out of their defensive third. All season Arsenal has struggled against teams that press in midfield and Barca are the gold standard at doing that. Trying to pass through the Barca midfield means you gonna keep getting the ball coming back at you. Since Wenger makes his tactical changes on the hour mark, van Persie's sending off completely disrupted his adjustment. Arsenal plan B uses 2 strikers and sacrifices a ball playing midfielder. With the striker sent off it is messed up.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Jayerson on March 09, 2011, 01:07:14 PM
We're not gonna meet another team that can possess the ball like barca including man u  ... the things we really need to learn from barca is...... the transition from defense to attack .... when you have the ball barca hounds you ... I've never seen a team that can win back possession as quickly as barca ... I mean never.
This is what these youths need to take and learn from playing this team .. closing down space this quickly with the midfielders and forwards doing that kind of work the defense will never be tested as regularly as it can be and it will never be under as much pressure as it could be.
The fact that Arsenal defense comes under so much pressure shows a defensive failing with the mids and the forwards.
Barca comes at you in two's, three's, they smother you, bother you, and support and movement is everywhere and despite this if you van lock down Messi you can still affect their offense significantly.

In Mourinho's book he said he knew his team was gonna get a guy sent off so in practice he played his team a man short to deal with the added pressure .. overload!
Walcott's pace is an outlet defensively and he gives you something you can't coach ... speed to at least put distance between the mid and then give time for our midifeld to catch their breath and link with him we need him back... badly and his wingplay creates the majority of Van Persie's goals ... we are a different team without him!
I'll be honest I was disappointed with Arsenal's effort they didnt play to win.
I don't think  they didn't play to win. I think they couldn't get out of their defensive third. All season Arsenal has struggled against teams that press in midfield and Barca are the gold standard at doing that. Trying to pass through the Barca midfield means you gonna keep getting the ball coming back at you. Since Wenger makes his tactical changes on the hour mark, van Persie's sending off completely disrupted his adjustment. Arsenal plan B uses 2 strikers and sacrifices a ball playing midfielder. With the striker sent off it is messed up.

Had RVP not been sent off, this game would have been different, you could have seen Barca's intensity start to drop a bit and a similar pattern of play to that of the first leg was slowly beginning to emerge. I'm not saying Arsenal would have won, but the sending off (which was absurd) changed the outlook completely.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: elan on March 09, 2011, 01:09:50 PM
We're not gonna meet another team that can possess the ball like barca including man u  ... the things we really need to learn from barca is...... the transition from defense to attack .... when you have the ball barca hounds you ... I've never seen a team that can win back possession as quickly as barca ... I mean never.
This is what these youths need to take and learn from playing this team .. closing down space this quickly with the midfielders and forwards doing that kind of work the defense will never be tested as regularly as it can be and it will never be under as much pressure as it could be.
The fact that Arsenal defense comes under so much pressure shows a defensive failing with the mids and the forwards.
Barca comes at you in two's, three's, they smother you, bother you, and support and movement is everywhere and despite this if you van lock down Messi you can still affect their offense significantly.

In Mourinho's book he said he knew his team was gonna get a guy sent off so in practice he played his team a man short to deal with the added pressure .. overload!
Walcott's pace is an outlet defensively and he gives you something you can't coach ... speed to at least put distance between the mid and then give time for our midifeld to catch their breath and link with him we need him back... badly and his wingplay creates the majority of Van Persie's goals ... we are a different team without him!
I'll be honest I was disappointed with Arsenal's effort they didnt play to win.
I don't think  they didn't play to win. I think they couldn't get out of their defensive third. All season Arsenal has struggled against teams that press in midfield and Barca are the gold standard at doing that. Trying to pass through the Barca midfield means you gonna keep getting the ball coming back at you. Since Wenger makes his tactical changes on the hour mark, van Persie's sending off completely disrupted his adjustment. Arsenal plan B uses 2 strikers and sacrifices a ball playing midfielder. With the striker sent off it is messed up.

Had RVP not been sent off, this game would have been different, you could have seen Barca's intensity start to drop a bit and a similar pattern of play to that of the first leg was slowly beginning to emerge. I'm not saying Arsenal would have won, but the sending off (which was absurd) changed the outlook completely.

When you have to break a line of five and the a line of 4, what yuh expect.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 11, 2011, 07:49:19 AM
well well well

its FA cup lunch time affair tomorrow

i think this is arsenal best team available.

          Almunia
Sagna Squill JD Clichy
Ramsey Diaby Wilshire
      AA RVP Nasri

manu may have injuries but vidic back and that helps alot

fergie wont be putting out no sorf side for this one at home and wil lhave them fired up

question is will arsenal players care about this game and give the supporters more shit to deal with? or will they play for more than pride
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 11, 2011, 08:46:42 AM
well well well

its FA cup lunch time affair tomorrow

i think this is arsenal best team available.

          Almunia
Sagna Squill JD Clichy
Ramsey Diaby Wilshire
      AA RVP Nasri

manu may have injuries but vidic back and that helps alot

fergie wont be putting out no sorf side for this one at home and wil lhave them fired up

question is will arsenal players care about this game and give the supporters more shit to deal with? or will they play for more than pride
Best available side yeah. A week till next game. Pray for no more injuries. Remember Man U have their CL game in 3 days and have to win. Even if is l'OM dey playing.

Szczesny out 6 weeks, so might be back for Spurs game. We hadda face Pool with Manuel though. Djourou will have to play every game till the end of the season.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Touches on March 11, 2011, 09:53:30 AM
Why yuh say dat is d best squad...Ramsey ent sweat no min for the season and now come back from a kinda loan deal and yuh chookin him in vs Manu.

Plus squillaci the goat...Nah I ent think so.

change dem 2
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 11, 2011, 12:14:28 PM
best available

who you suggest for ramsey? rosicky? he pullin stones

and i wont be upset if the youth miquel was next to JD instead of squill but thats it
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on March 11, 2011, 06:33:36 PM
best available

who you suggest for ramsey? rosicky? he pullin stones

and i wont be upset if the youth miquel was next to JD instead of squill but thats it

No way Schillaci! Kos ... Ramsey to come on ... Nasri in the middle of the park to run the show ...  I'd give Rosicky a shot up top ... he out of form ... not out of talent and ability, with Bendtner to come on ... we need him hungry.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Trini68 on March 12, 2011, 02:16:27 PM
Johan out for the season :'(
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 12, 2011, 04:30:44 PM
Another season where we have shown we don't deserve shit
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Peong on March 12, 2011, 05:02:10 PM
Arsenal are de boil-dong-like-baji kings!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 12, 2011, 06:35:02 PM
If there was a WTF trophy we'd have won it six years straight
Shit like this makes us look like Liverpool but with less silverware to prop is up

I'm getting sick n tired to the same song

Hope they prove me wrong
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: doc on March 12, 2011, 07:12:30 PM
If there was a WTF trophy we'd have won it six years straight
Shit like this makes us look like Liverpool but with less silverware to prop is up

I'm getting suck n tired to the same song

Hope they prove me wrong
Go and hug a tree bro'  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: 100% Barataria on March 12, 2011, 07:30:13 PM
A brederin now say "Like Arsenal give up trophies fuh lent"  :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on March 12, 2011, 08:03:28 PM
If there was a WTF trophy we'd have won it six years straight
Shit like this makes us look like Liverpool but with less silverware to prop is up

I'm getting suck n tired to the same song

Hope they prove me wrong

You actually have the nerve to compare yourself to Liverpool... and in a negative way at that?  You better get yourself some Swiffer cloths and go dust your trophy case before you try and talk Liverpool bad.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: D.H.W on March 12, 2011, 08:15:21 PM
If there was a WTF trophy we'd have won it six years straight
Shit like this makes us look like Liverpool but with less silverware to prop is up

I'm getting suck n tired to the same song

Hope they prove me wrong

You actually have the nerve to compare yourself to Liverpool... and in a negative way at that?  You better get yourself some Swiffer cloths and go dust your trophy case before you try and talk Liverpool bad.

oh gord  :rotfl: :rotfl: way sah , i was staying quiet all the time eh , but that one bring me out  :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on March 12, 2011, 08:35:21 PM
A brederin now say "Like Arsenal give up trophies fuh lent"  :devil:

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Dey well discipline; 6 years and counting!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Daft Trini on March 12, 2011, 11:36:20 PM
 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: oh lord Bakes response is ah classic...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 13, 2011, 02:14:35 PM
If there was a WTF trophy we'd have won it six years straight
Shit like this makes us look like Liverpool but with less silverware to prop is up

I'm getting suck n tired to the same song

Hope they prove me wrong

You actually have the nerve to compare yourself to Liverpool... and in a negative way at that?  You better get yourself some Swiffer cloths and go dust your trophy case before you try and talk Liverpool bad.


All respect Bakes haul yuh living on past glories ass
 :beermug:

two decades since you saw a league trophy?  and yes i talking them and arsenal bad so take yuh "we used to be great" attitude and give it up for lent :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 15, 2011, 07:05:01 AM
wtf?

Jens coming back to arsenal? as back up? almunia must be shaking in he boots!

and JD might be back in 2-3 wks? so say the swiss medical team
they seem to know whats going on

i gotta say a nice dissertation for a sport scientest would be to look at arsenal's injuries over the last 3-5-10 years and see if there is a trend or what the heck is wrong

also i hope to see some changes wrung tis summer but if we manage to win the prem, wenger will say he doesnt need to change anything because this team validated itself by winning

dispite the fact arsenal are financially healthier everyseason we seem to be to comfortable with keeping what we have and spending very little to fill any gaps

like buying a used tire instead of a new one, eventually them used tires gonna cause more harm than good
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Jayerson on March 15, 2011, 07:43:11 AM
wtf?

Jens coming back to arsenal? as back up? almunia must be shaking in he boots!

and JD might be back in 2-3 wks? so say the swiss medical team
they seem to know whats going on

i gotta say a nice dissertation for a sport scientest would be to look at arsenal's injuries over the last 3-5-10 years and see if there is a trend or what the heck is wrong

also i hope to see some changes wrung tis summer but if we manage to win the prem, wenger will say he doesnt need to change anything because this team validated itself by winning

dispite the fact arsenal are financially healthier everyseason we seem to be to comfortable with keeping what we have and spending very little to fill any gaps

like buying a used tire instead of a new one, eventually them used tires gonna cause more harm than good

That's my very very concern with Wenger. If we somehow take advantage of the position we are in and manage to win the league, he'll feel vindicated and make zero to little changes for next season.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Touches on March 15, 2011, 07:48:28 AM
At the end of the day the league title is down to us.

We have what 9 games...If we win all we have the title.

Then again we always find a spectacular way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mose on March 15, 2011, 09:21:28 AM
At the end of the day the league title is down to us.

We have what 9 games...If we win all we have the title.

Then again we always find a spectacular way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Actually Arsenal have 10 games left and not guaranteed to win the title if they win all 10.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on March 15, 2011, 09:27:08 AM
At the end of the day the league title is down to us.

We have what 9 games...If we win all we have the title.

Then again we always find a spectacular way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Actually Arsenal have 10 games left and not guaranteed to win the title if they win all 10.

If they win all 10 they win the title. They have a game in hand, behind by 3 points and one of the games is vs Man U.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mose on March 15, 2011, 12:17:34 PM
At the end of the day the league title is down to us.

We have what 9 games...If we win all we have the title.

Then again we always find a spectacular way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Actually Arsenal have 10 games left and not guaranteed to win the title if they win all 10.

If they win all 10 they win the title. They have a game in hand, behind by 3 points and one of the games is vs Man U.
My bad, didn't realise one of the remaining games was against ManU.
Title: Arsenal face fan fury over rise in ticket price
Post by: Touches on March 16, 2011, 09:08:33 AM
Source Mirror UK (http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Furious-Arsenal-fans-are-being-hit-with-big-ticket-price-increases-even-though-the-club-still-refuse-to-pay-top-fees-for-players-article714097.html)

Arsenal face fan fury over rise in ticket price

Published 23:00 15/03/11 By John Cross

Arsenal fans are being hit with big ticket price increases - even though the club still refuse to splash out on players.

Seven thousand club-level supporters at the Emirates, who already pay some of the most expensive prices in the Premier League, have been told there will be a 6.5 per cent increase for next season.

It is now feared that the club will impose an across-the-board rise when the rest of the ticket prices are announced in April and May. Supporters' groups have criticised the club's decision to take such a step in tough economic times.

Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger, who is set to re-sign veteran keeper Jens Lehmann, 41, as emergency cover, has steadfastly refused to pay big fees for players and yet the club has among the highest priced tickets in England.
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Club-level ticket holder Pete Wood has seen his pair of seats rise from £5,200 to £5,540 and claimed it is bad timing for Arsenal to be putting up prices after going out of three competitions in just over a fortnight.

"It just seems a bit rich," said Wood, who runs Le Grove fans' website. "When you look at the cost of tickets compared to the number of trophies, then we must be the most expensive club in the world.

"It's a slap in the face for supporters. We would like to see a few more signings and yet they take the easiest, most unimaginative way of trying to make ends meet - just put up prices and make their supporters pay."

Tim Payton, of the Arsenal Shareholders' Trust, added: "The AST is very concerned at the impact a price rise will have on fans in these tough economic times. We have urged the club to focus on raising revenue from other sources such as overseas tours and new commercial deals.

"The wider football community also has a responsibility as the continuing spiraling upwards of players' wages is ultimately paid for by supporters."

Arsenal insisted yesterday that the rise was just four per cent, but was made bigger by the rise in VAT. They also said it was the first increase since the 2008-09 season.

"No decision has been taken on the other prices across the board for tickets next year," said a spokesman. "But our pricing structure is always done with a lot of thought."

Meanwhile, Arsenal's Johan Djourou was yesterday at the centre of a bizarre club versus country row which ended with the Swiss FA issuing an apology.

Swiss FA chiefs claimed the defender could even be fit for their Euro 2012 qualifier with Bulgaria on March 26 and his shoulder injury - suffered at Manchester United on Saturday - was not as bad as first feared.

But Djourou is out for at least three months, may undergo surgery later this week and the Swiss FA contacted Arsenal last night to apologise for suggesting otherwise.

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WHAT PRICE LOYALTY? PREMIER LEAGUE SEASON TICKET PRICES 2010-2011

Arsenal: £893-£1,825

Liverpool: £680-£785

Tottenham: £650-£1,175

West Ham: £585-£830

Chelsea: £550-£1,210

Wolves: £522-£630

Manchester United: £513-£931

Everton: £443-£631

Manchester City: £420-£515

West Brom: £399-£499

Stoke: £399-£599

Sunderland: £395-£845

Blackpool: £382-£440

Bolton: £369-£399

Fulham: £369-£899

Birmingham: £360-£580

Aston Villa: £350-£550

Newcastle: £330-£975

Wigan: £250-£295

Blackburn: £224-£393
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: soccerman on March 16, 2011, 09:54:27 AM
If that's the cost per ticket then thank the Lord for the dish network!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on March 16, 2011, 10:59:49 AM
In Arsene9 we trust! At least dey come out on top in somtin!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 17, 2011, 06:54:58 AM
so

west brom away huh

whos injured now

tommy, johan, song, diaby, cesc, theo, cheesy, lukasz forgetting any one?

that leaves us with probably this starting line up

            Almunia
Sagna Squill LK Clichy
    Wilshire Denilson
           Nasri
Bendtner RVP AA

chamakh, rosicky, eboue/gibbs subs

i cant tell you how much it annoys me when wenger starts rosicky before AA or ever puts rosicky to run midfeild when nasri is way better at it

and denilson is a defensive liabliity esp against teams that shit back and counter us or even have us in our own half

the B+ squad better put in an A+ performance and result
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on March 17, 2011, 11:54:15 AM
This is the same team where Almunia lost his spot and gave away two easy goals earlier in the season.. he's gonna want to make up for it this time around ..
I don't recall diaby being injured .. I believe he is fit now.
I f arshavin doesn't start I'm not mad at that because one day he'll do well against barca then play absolute lala vs Man U.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 17, 2011, 12:53:58 PM
This is the same team where Almunia lost his spot and gave away two easy goals earlier in the season.. he's gonna want to make up for it this time around ..
I don't recall diaby being injured .. I believe he is fit now.
I f arshavin doesn't start I'm not mad at that because one day he'll do well against barca then play absolute lala vs Man U.
I doh think he played that badly. Maybe he needed to run into the penalty area more during attacks but that was true of all the midfielders. Remember Arsenal had more shots on goal at Old Trafford in this game than ANY team since 2003. Why you think van der Sar was MOTM? The only problem was 2 defensive mistakes from Denilson and Sagna that cost Arsenal the goals.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 18, 2011, 06:20:01 AM
here are some scary facs about our center back situation this season

"Injured Arsenal centre-back Johan Djourou has conceded a Premier League goal this season every 337 minutes.
Replacement Sebastien Squillaci has conceded a league goal this season every 72 minutes.
The partnership of Djourou and Laurent Koscielny has conceded a league goal this season every 405 minutes.
The parternship of Squillaci and Koscielny has conceded a league goal this season every 83 minutes." goal.com

we in real trouble, especially with almunia guaranteed to eff it up a couple of time between now and the last game
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on March 18, 2011, 07:07:30 AM
arsenal need a bush bath, a glass ah water and cocyea broom!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on March 18, 2011, 09:09:55 AM
Hmmm shocked you not on Arsene technical staff chow lol.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on March 18, 2011, 05:10:20 PM
Hmmm shocked you not on Arsene technical staff chow lol.
 
     :D Ah did try out fuh de job but some Serbian woman beat meh out.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on March 19, 2011, 07:11:55 AM
lol
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on March 19, 2011, 10:20:02 AM
Bench Almunia forever!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kaliman2006 on March 19, 2011, 10:41:22 AM
West Brom 2, Arsenal 2

Hang on folks...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on March 19, 2011, 10:45:01 AM
West Brom 2, Arsenal 2

Hang on folks...

Nah, Bench him still.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on March 19, 2011, 11:07:44 AM
lets face it this team now .... missing our best offensive n defensive midfielders our fastest most dangerous plyer and our goalie and centrebacks is not good enough to win the league ... almunia lol
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Peong on March 19, 2011, 12:05:43 PM
Almunia is a madman.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 19, 2011, 12:14:14 PM
Bench Almunia forever!

Sell sell sell sell

Jens to start all left
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on March 19, 2011, 12:51:48 PM
Arsenal is not my side and dey geh on meh nerves with how dey defendin! Dey doh work on defense in practice?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on March 19, 2011, 01:06:00 PM
This is why I destined to be a poor man's coach because I telling yuh it was level cuff for Almunia and Schillaci ... I doh wah talk ..... just grab a  ball  and boots him in he f**king head .... it have to be real disconcerting for a team when the obvious weaklinks in the team constantly f**king up.... just constantly .... those two are such shit ... oh my goodness!
Denilson , Schillaci, Diaby and Almunia need to be gone from this f**king team!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 19, 2011, 01:28:58 PM
This is why I destined to be a poor man's coach because I telling yuh it was level cuff for Almunia and Schillaci ... I doh wah talk ..... just grab a  ball  and boots him in he f**king head .... it have to be real disconcerting for a team when the obvious weaklinks in the team constantly f**king up.... just constantly .... those two are such shit ... oh my goodness!
Denilson , Schillaci, Diaby and Almunia need to be gone from this f**king team!
Amen!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on March 19, 2011, 02:05:35 PM
At this point I would start Lehmann (DOH CARE HOW LONG HE'S BEEN OUT) ..... cyah take no more of this f**king Almunia boy anything is better than that piece of shit!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: D.H.W on March 19, 2011, 03:21:56 PM
commentator say arsenal defending like children yes  :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on March 19, 2011, 03:24:43 PM
This is why I destined to be a poor man's coach because I telling yuh it was level cuff for Almunia and Schillaci ... I doh wah talk ..... just grab a  ball  and boots him in he f**king head .... it have to be real disconcerting for a team when the obvious weaklinks in the team constantly f**king up.... just constantly .... those two are such shit ... oh my goodness!
Denilson , Schillaci, Diaby and Almunia need to be gone from this f**king team!

men did vex when sir alex did that to becks
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on March 19, 2011, 03:49:32 PM
This is why I destined to be a poor man's coach because I telling yuh it was level cuff for Almunia and Schillaci ... I doh wah talk ..... just grab a  ball  and boots him in he f**king head .... it have to be real disconcerting for a team when the obvious weaklinks in the team constantly f**king up.... just constantly .... those two are such shit ... oh my goodness!
Denilson , Schillaci, Diaby and Almunia need to be gone from this f**king team!

men did vex when sir alex did that to becks

Becks wasn't any less a weak link that Rooney has been up until recently
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: doc on March 20, 2011, 03:54:29 PM
Hope springs eternal... unto glory in May!! :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on March 20, 2011, 04:15:03 PM

arsenal need a bush bath, a glass ah water and cocyea broom! and almunia need a obeah man!

 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 20, 2011, 04:21:54 PM
just saw almunia gift

wtf? the team must be so nervous when  he starts
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on March 21, 2011, 06:05:16 PM
Arshavin's goal vs west brom jeez .... what a strike ... guess thats why peeps are so hard on him because they now he can do things like that!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: SOBRIQUET on March 22, 2011, 09:45:01 AM
The menu for Arsenal's end of season dinner has been leaked online:

STARTERS
Egg on Face
Seasoned Hash
Frogs Legs (Past their best)
Spanish Surprise (Well Beaten)

MAIN COURSE
Humble Pie
Chump Chops
French (has) Beans
Managers Beef (not rare)
Catch of the Day (gutted)
NB: Everything is imported, nothing is homegrown

DESSERT
Sour Grapes (May be hard to swallow)
Fruitless Tarts
Raspberry Fools
Hard Cheese

DRINKS
Bitter
French Whine
Cabernet Empty 2005/06/07/08/09/10/11
Champagne (sorry none ordered)

STRICTLY NO DOUBLES OR TREBLES
NB: Drinks should be consumed from plastic
glasses as there will be no cups this year


http://myespn.go.com/s/conversations/show/story/snet-897363
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on March 22, 2011, 03:15:45 PM
The menu for Arsenal's end of season dinner has been leaked online:

STARTERS
Egg on Face
Seasoned Hash
Frogs Legs (Past their best)
Spanish Surprise (Well Beaten)

MAIN COURSE
Humble Pie
Chump Chops
French (has) Beans
Managers Beef (not rare)
Catch of the Day (gutted)
NB: Everything is imported, nothing is homegrown

DESSERT
Sour Grapes (May be hard to swallow)
Fruitless Tarts
Raspberry Fools
Hard Cheese

DRINKS
Bitter
French Whine
Cabernet Empty 2005/06/07/08/09/10/11
Champagne (sorry none ordered)

STRICTLY NO DOUBLES OR TREBLES
NB: Drinks should be consumed from plastic
glasses as there will be no cups this year


http://myespn.go.com/s/conversations/show/story/snet-897363

So this is the part when men suppose to say "oh gaddoy boy allyuh men is tears yes"?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 22, 2011, 05:29:06 PM
The menu for Arsenal's end of season dinner has been leaked online:

STARTERS
Egg on Face
Seasoned Hash
Frogs Legs (Past their best)
Spanish Surprise (Well Beaten)

MAIN COURSE
Humble Pie
Chump Chops
French (has) Beans
Managers Beef (not rare)
Catch of the Day (gutted)
NB: Everything is imported, nothing is homegrown

DESSERT
Sour Grapes (May be hard to swallow)
Fruitless Tarts
Raspberry Fools
Hard Cheese

DRINKS
Bitter
French Whine
Cabernet Empty 2005/06/07/08/09/10/11
Champagne (sorry none ordered)

STRICTLY NO DOUBLES OR TREBLES
NB: Drinks should be consumed from plastic
glasses as there will be no cups this year


http://myespn.go.com/s/conversations/show/story/snet-897363

So this is the part when men suppose to say "oh gaddoy boy allyuh men is tears yes"?

it is humorus but let them talk
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 22, 2011, 05:36:10 PM
so 2 weeks of international drudgery

hope ppl doh come back injured

JD might be back in 4wks dont hold breath

cheesy still working out but highly unlikely he comes back


if we win the league this year without our starters then i fear the hangers on and not good enoughs of this team will be held onto as wenger says i told you so

but arsene you are wrong we cannot afford these sub par back ups

we want fighters people who embody a drive desire and hunger for success and that they show and talk it on the pitch

9 more to go cant slip a note, we waiting on manu to slip, while chelsea breathing down our backs

we have shown we cannot handle the pressure

we have shown the division that comes with constant frustrations of being let down

we must get out of this rut of "consistency just below the top is good enough"


i still love meh side
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 22, 2011, 05:38:53 PM
At this point I would start Lehmann (DOH CARE HOW LONG HE'S BEEN OUT) ..... cyah take no more of this f**king Almunia boy anything is better than that piece of shit!
A man say put Eboue in goal since dey does use him everywhere else. Time to give flickin Almunia a blasted all expense paid trip to the Bermuda Triangle!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on March 22, 2011, 07:15:23 PM
so 2 weeks of international drudgery

hope ppl doh come back injured

JD might be back in 4wks dont hold breath

cheesy still working out but highly unlikely he comes back


if we win the league this year without our starters then i fear the hangers on and not good enoughs of this team will be held onto as wenger says i told you so

but arsene you are wrong we cannot afford these sub par back ups

we want fighters people who embody a drive desire and hunger for success and that they show and talk it on the pitch

9 more to go cant slip a note, we waiting on manu to slip, while chelsea breathing down our backs

we have shown we cannot handle the pressure

we have shown the division that comes with constant frustrations of being let down

we must get out of this rut of "consistency just below the top is good enough"

i still love meh side

honestly, if arsenal manages to win the league i think wenger has the right to tell people i told you so.

truth is, the amount of injuries arsenal have right now is not something that he could have predicted. the shit men in the side are not men who were expected to play as much as they have. denilson is only playing so much because a host of central midfielders are injured (song, fabregas, diaby, and if you want you can even add frimpong). squillaci is only playing so much because of vermalen's inexplicable injury. almunia is only back in the lineup because of szczesny freak injury and fabianski's shoulder injury (and you can even add mannone's injury to that too). with the exception of van persie, who seems to be injury prone, i think it's hard to say that these injuries should have been expected. when you think about it, almunia is the 3rd/4th choice keeper and is probably on his way out. denilson is a way down the pecking order in terms of central midfielders but is maybe one of the more consistently fit ones. koscielny lacks experience but isn't that bad of a central defender for a 3rd choice (i think he can come good in games when he alongside a more experienced player).

basically at full strength, arsenal is a top team. the fact that they are so undermined by injury and still second in the league in a way supports the argument that they have impressive depth. it's true that it's frustrating that they aren't winning tournaments, but i think they deserve more credit than they're getting for what they've achieved with a largely handicapped squad.

think of any other side and remove their equivelant of szczesny, djourou, vermaelen, song, fabregas and walcott from the lineup and tell me what they're left with. for man utd that would be vandersar? vidic? ferdinand? fletcher? carrick? nani? for chelsea that would be cech? terry? alex? essien? lampard? malouda? add the fact that van persie (equiv of rooney? drogba?) missed a chunk of the season and you realise that arsenal is a pretty deep squad and have done well given their circumstances.

long story short, arsenal has less of a problem with it's squad of players and more of a problem with it's injury crisis. and with the exception of diaby and vanpersie who you can say are normally injured, alot of the injuries have been unexpected and freakish and you really can't blame wenger for that. in hindsight it easy to say that he should a do this and that, but you don't really know what's the scene with vermaelen injury. and with the limitations on squad sizes signing one man means dropping another and arsenal side probably at full capacity right now with injuries, so dropping a man from another area of the side is a risk in itself.

don't get me wrong, i frustrated with the arsenal situation too. but realistically, it a lot easier for us to sit here and say wenger doing madness. but when i try to put myself in his situation and really study what going on with the side, the situation real tough, and the side deserve credit for being as competitive as they are despite it.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Touches on March 22, 2011, 07:45:33 PM
Dwn...dah essay yuh type dey

Men just pulling stones and doing shit when it matters, doh try to spin it nah.

1) From Almunia weekend...and his blunders before that.

2) Scechny and Kosielny gifting Martins a goal...and a cup lost.

3)Bendtner control letting him down on the 1 v 1 vs Barca...dat goal woulda send us through

4)The shitty defending by Denilson/gibbs that just helpin leak goals vs Manu in the FA cup vs Manu.

Arsenal performances as good as they are come down to a handful of goats pulling facking stones and doing shit when it matters CONSISTENTLY ....dais the difference between champions and also rans.

ManU could play shit whole game and with 10 men...but when they get they half a chance it will count. Dais why they are winners and we left to cobweb empty cabinet.

Wenger is at fault too, he ent buying nuttin, he picking shit sides, using shit formation and making shit sub. Arsenal is a side of no balls, no belley individuals....maybe he bring Lehmann back in to hit men hard clout and cuss the underperformers he have in the team.

Is only a setta sorry, be better next time on twitter and shit from big hard stones men...instead they shoot the 4king ball when they reach the area or put in a good solid blade and stop playing tiddlywinks on the damn field.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: doc on March 22, 2011, 08:05:17 PM
so 2 weeks of international drudgery

hope ppl doh come back injured

JD might be back in 4wks dont hold breath

cheesy still working out but highly unlikely he comes back


if we win the league this year without our starters then i fear the hangers on and not good enoughs of this team will be held onto as wenger says i told you so

but arsene you are wrong we cannot afford these sub par back ups

we want fighters people who embody a drive desire and hunger for success and that they show and talk it on the pitch

9 more to go cant slip a note, we waiting on manu to slip, while chelsea breathing down our backs

we have shown we cannot handle the pressure

we have shown the division that comes with constant frustrations of being let down

we must get out of this rut of "consistency just below the top is good enough"

i still love meh side

honestly, if arsenal manages to win the league i think wenger has the right to tell people i told you so.

truth is, the amount of injuries arsenal have right now is not something that he could have predicted. the shit men in the side are not men who were expected to play as much as they have. denilson is only playing so much because a host of central midfielders are injured (song, fabregas, diaby, and if you want you can even add frimpong). squillaci is only playing so much because of vermalen's inexplicable injury. almunia is only back in the lineup because of szczesny freak injury and fabianski's shoulder injury (and you can even add mannone's injury to that too). with the exception of van persie, who seems to be injury prone, i think it's hard to say that these injuries should have been expected. when you think about it, almunia is the 3rd/4th choice keeper and is probably on his way out. denilson is a way down the pecking order in terms of central midfielders but is maybe one of the more consistently fit ones. koscielny lacks experience but isn't that bad of a central defender for a 3rd choice (i think he can come good in games when he alongside a more experienced player).

basically at full strength, arsenal is a top team. the fact that they are so undermined by injury and still second in the league in a way supports the argument that they have impressive depth. it's true that it's frustrating that they aren't winning tournaments, but i think they deserve more credit than they're getting for what they've achieved with a largely handicapped squad.

think of any other side and remove their equivelant of szczesny, djourou, vermaelen, song, fabregas and walcott from the lineup and tell me what they're left with. for man utd that would be vandersar? vidic? ferdinand? fletcher? carrick? nani? for chelsea that would be cech? terry? alex? essien? lampard? malouda? add the fact that van persie (equiv of rooney? drogba?) missed a chunk of the season and you realise that arsenal is a pretty deep squad and have done well given their circumstances.

long story short, arsenal has less of a problem with it's squad of players and more of a problem with it's injury crisis. and with the exception of diaby and vanpersie who you can say are normally injured, alot of the injuries have been unexpected and freakish and you really can't blame wenger for that. in hindsight it easy to say that he should a do this and that, but you don't really know what's the scene with vermaelen injury. and with the limitations on squad sizes signing one man means dropping another and arsenal side probably at full capacity right now with injuries, so dropping a man from another area of the side is a risk in itself.

don't get me wrong, i frustrated with the arsenal situation too. but realistically, it a lot easier for us to sit here and say wenger doing madness. but when i try to put myself in his situation and really study what going on with the side, the situation real tough, and the side deserve credit for being as competitive as they are despite it.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on March 22, 2011, 08:23:46 PM
Dwn...dah essay yuh type dey

Men just pulling stones and doing shit when it matters, doh try to spin it nah.

1) From Almunia weekend...and his blunders before that.

2) Scechny and Kosielny gifting Martins a goal...and a cup lost.

3)Bendtner control letting him down on the 1 v 1 vs Barca...dat goal woulda send us through

4)The shitty defending by Denilson/gibbs that just helpin leak goals vs Manu in the FA cup vs Manu.

Arsenal performances as good as they are come down to a handful of goats pulling facking stones and doing shit when it matters CONSISTENTLY ....dais the difference between champions and also rans.

ManU could play shit whole game and with 10 men...but when they get they half a chance it will count. Dais why they are winners and we left to cobweb empty cabinet.

Wenger is at fault too, he ent buying nuttin, he picking shit sides, using shit formation and making shit sub. Arsenal is a side of no balls, no belley individuals....maybe he bring Lehmann back in to hit men hard clout and cuss the underperformers he have in the team.

Is only a setta sorry, be better next time on twitter and shit from big hard stones men...instead they shoot the 4king ball when they reach the area or put in a good solid blade and stop playing tiddlywinks on the damn field.

everyone play their part but at the end of the day and wenger could take some blame. but it hard to blame wenger for the circumstances that lead to them 4 things you mention there.

1. if szczesny didnt stub his finger on a barca freekick almunia wouldnt a be in goal
2. cant blame wenger for szczesny and koscielny mix up against birmingham. koscielny not even supposed to be starting for arsenal. but vermaelen freak situation have him as a regular
3. bendtner control letting him down is not wenger fault. neither is van persie's red card in that game. which would have probably left bendtner on the bench
4. and again, denilson have no place in arsenal side if men was fit

the point i making is that alot of the things that happening to arsenal arent just because wenger did not buy a better player. he did buy better players but they keep getting injured! or to put it another, if wenger maintained his same policy but men weren't injured so much all of those things would a been avoided. solving the injury crisis is more important to me than changing wenger's player policy. cause imo arsenal roster have decent depth. it just always depleted.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 23, 2011, 05:25:21 AM

Certain players in arsenal side need a cuss out

Nothing personal just a professional cuss out

And no side has had so many players out for so long and can't get them fit including break leg
Tommy, edu, Rambo, rosicky, JD, men who missing all or most of a season
Wtf up with we medical staff? Wtf up with we trainers?

When we have so many players n so many injured we paying wages for nothing and holding on to shitsnakes

hargreaves and Owen is the only two I can think of that put as long as some of our players in past seasons
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 23, 2011, 09:14:39 PM
Dwn...dah essay yuh type dey

Men just pulling stones and doing shit when it matters, doh try to spin it nah.

1) From Almunia weekend...and his blunders before that.

2) Scechny and Kosielny gifting Martins a goal...and a cup lost.

3)Bendtner control letting him down on the 1 v 1 vs Barca...dat goal woulda send us through

4)The shitty defending by Denilson/gibbs that just helpin leak goals vs Manu in the FA cup vs Manu.

Arsenal performances as good as they are come down to a handful of goats pulling facking stones and doing shit when it matters CONSISTENTLY ....dais the difference between champions and also rans.

ManU could play shit whole game and with 10 men...but when they get they half a chance it will count. Dais why they are winners and we left to cobweb empty cabinet.

Wenger is at fault too, he ent buying nuttin, he picking shit sides, using shit formation and making shit sub. Arsenal is a side of no balls, no belley individuals....maybe he bring Lehmann back in to hit men hard clout and cuss the underperformers he have in the team.

Is only a setta sorry, be better next time on twitter and shit from big hard stones men...instead they shoot the 4king ball when they reach the area or put in a good solid blade and stop playing tiddlywinks on the damn field.

everyone play their part but at the end of the day and wenger could take some blame. but it hard to blame wenger for the circumstances that lead to them 4 things you mention there.

1. if szczesny didnt stub his finger on a barca freekick almunia wouldnt a be in goal
2. cant blame wenger for szczesny and koscielny mix up against birmingham. koscielny not even supposed to be starting for arsenal. but vermaelen freak situation have him as a regular
3. bendtner control letting him down is not wenger fault. neither is van persie's red card in that game. which would have probably left bendtner on the bench
4. and again, denilson have no place in arsenal side if men was fit

the point i making is that alot of the things that happening to arsenal arent just because wenger did not buy a better player. he did buy better players but they keep getting injured! or to put it another, if wenger maintained his same policy but men weren't injured so much all of those things would a been avoided. solving the injury crisis is more important to me than changing wenger's player policy. cause imo arsenal roster have decent depth. it just always depleted.
dwn makes some good points. Problem is, why does this happen so much to Arsenal? A man point out to me that when they went to Stamford Bridge in Ocrober, the injury situation would be like Chelsea with no Drogba, Lampard, Essien, Terry, Alex or Cech (Since at the time Almunia was still the starting keeper). Has Chelsea EVER been that depleted? They missed some of those players this season and their record went off the rails. Arsenal created chances to draw, and maybe even win that game but they lost 2-0, even with a good performance. A full strength Arsenal has demonstrated what they can do, beating Chelsea and Barca. I am sure they could beat United as well because I think at full strength, Arsenal is the best side in England and the only other sides on earth who better would be MAYBE Barca and Real. Look in the last premier league game, Ignasi Miquel was on the bench. One injury to Koscielny or Squillaci and he playing in the Premiership. A man Wenger said outright is not ready for first team football. Look how depleted Arsenal was when Messi drop 4 on them last year? But everybody just say is because Arsenal not good.

I have read news stories about trainers criticising Arsenal fitness training and saying it causes a lot of injuries. There will always be freak injuries and those can't be helped (I think van Persie gets hurt so much because he tries so hard, like the CC Final goal and his injury in Netherlands v Italy friendly last year that took him out for most of the season). But Cesc constant hamstring problems, Diaby who can't string 3 games in a row?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on March 24, 2011, 06:44:18 AM
Arsene9 and the team may benefit from working with different coaches other than Pat Rice. A coach who may provide fresh ideas, a different point of view that may even challenge Arsene9's thinking now and then. Questions have been asked who challenges the players but who challenges/questions Arsene9? Say what you want about Fergie he has had various different coaches with different philosophies along side him since he has had that job. It has also reflected in the adjustments that have been made on and off the field. Arsene9 has had Pat Rice right tru; I doubt anybody is really challenging Arsene9 to try a different a different way of playing in an effort to get results or do things. Respect.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 26, 2011, 03:33:58 PM
Arsene9 and the team may benefit from working with different coaches other than Pat Rice. A coach who may provide fresh ideas, a different point of view that may even challenge Arsene9's thinking now and then. Questions have been asked who challenges the players but who challenges/questions Arsene9? Say what you want about Fergie he has had various different coaches with different philosophies along side him since he has had that job. It has also reflected in the adjustments that have been made on and off the field. Arsene9 has had Pat Rice right tru; I doubt anybody is really challenging Arsene9 to try a different a different way of playing in an effort to get results or do things. Respect.
They will never get rid of Pat Rice. He is Mr. Arsenal. Player from 1964-1980. Captain from 1977 to 1980. Coach (at different levels) from 1984 to now. He go dead in Arsenal.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on March 26, 2011, 04:00:58 PM


Arsene9 and the team may benefit from working with different coaches other than Pat Rice. A coach who may provide fresh ideas, a different point of view that may even challenge Arsene9's thinking now and then. Questions have been asked who challenges the players but who challenges/questions Arsene9? Say what you want about Fergie he has had various different coaches with different philosophies along side him since he has had that job. It has also reflected in the adjustments that have been made on and off the field. Arsene9 has had Pat Rice right tru; I doubt anybody is really challenging Arsene9 to try a different a different way of playing in an effort to get results or do things. Respect.
They will never get rid of Pat Rice. He is Mr. Arsenal. Player from 1964-1980. Captain from 1977 to 1980. Coach (at different levels) from 1984 to now. He go dead in Arsenal.

Not saying get rid of but add somebody with different ideas and fresh energy!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 26, 2011, 04:05:28 PM


Arsene9 and the team may benefit from working with different coaches other than Pat Rice. A coach who may provide fresh ideas, a different point of view that may even challenge Arsene9's thinking now and then. Questions have been asked who challenges the players but who challenges/questions Arsene9? Say what you want about Fergie he has had various different coaches with different philosophies along side him since he has had that job. It has also reflected in the adjustments that have been made on and off the field. Arsene9 has had Pat Rice right tru; I doubt anybody is really challenging Arsene9 to try a different a different way of playing in an effort to get results or do things. Respect.
They will never get rid of Pat Rice. He is Mr. Arsenal. Player from 1964-1980. Captain from 1977 to 1980. Coach (at different levels) from 1984 to now. He go dead in Arsenal.

Not saying get rid of but add somebody with different ideas and fresh energy!
Yeah I hear yuh. With the skill in this side Arsenal shoulda be destroying this year. My opinion is that the back up players not good enough. Or maybe dat is de coach because Fergie does get he backups to perform when dey need to. Get an assistant coach to kick up Denilson and Rosicky backside yes!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 28, 2011, 08:33:00 AM
certain players need a good oldfashioned cuss out
hire vinnie jones for a few weeks

diaby, denilson, eboue, rosicky, bendtner, squillachi, almunia will probably burst into flames.

manu famos for not keeping shite players more than they need too

why must we?

any news on the inujuries front? who back who get hurt etc?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 28, 2011, 09:57:57 AM
certain players need a good oldfashioned cuss out
hire vinnie jones for a few weeks

diaby, denilson, eboue, rosicky, bendtner, squillachi, almunia will probably burst into flames.

manu famos for not keeping shite players more than they need too

why must we?

any news on the inujuries front? who back who get hurt etc?
Nothing new. RvP playing the Hungary game this week?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 29, 2011, 07:22:35 AM
http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/oddballs/859274-man-united-voted-most-hated-company-in-britain#ixzz1HuW5NLdb


Manchester United voted 'most hated company in Britain'
Manchester United are the most hated company in the UK, more so than banks, utility companies or budget airlines, it is claimed.

The results of an online survey of more than 1,000 people, conducted by Online Opinions, show that the side built by Sir Alex Ferguson is the most hated firm in Britain.

No other football team is anywhere near as detested as the Red Devils, which secured 26 per cent of the overall vote, as the success, power and huge worldwide following were cited as major reasons for aggrieving football fans.

Man United owners the Glazer family may not be happy to hear that they run the most hated firm in the country.

The American businessmen are already battling discontent from their own fans, with many upset that the club was plunged into nearly £1billion worth of debt when it was purchased.
.Second on the list of hated companies was Ryanair, with 23 per cent of those polled claiming to be fed up with the airline's 'money-grabbing' ways.

Utility company British Gas was named by 22 per cent of respondents as the company they really can't stand, after repeatedly raising gas prices.

Despite helping to plunge the country into recession with mountains of bad debt, government-owned Royal Bank of Scotland was further down the list, sparking rage in just 16 per cent of those taking part in the survey.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bourbon on March 29, 2011, 09:46:44 AM
http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/oddballs/859274-man-united-voted-most-hated-company-in-britain#ixzz1HuW5NLdb


Manchester United voted 'most hated company in Britain'


No other football team is anywhere near as detested as the Red Devils, which secured 26 per cent of the overall vote, as the success, power and huge worldwide following were cited as major reasons for aggrieving football fans.


 :-X
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on March 29, 2011, 10:01:20 AM
liek they poll all of the 1000 arsenal, liverpool, city and chelsea fans.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 29, 2011, 10:21:54 AM
Arsenal goalkeeping problems continue as Jens Lehmann has disaster of a comeback in reserves against Wigan
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/8414096/Arsenal-goalkeeping-problems-continue-as-Jens-Lehmann-has-disaster-of-a-comeback-in-reserves-against-Wigan.html

Jens Lehmann, on the evidence of his first game for Arsenal in almost three years, in the reserves against Wigan, is unlikely to prove the solution to Arsenal's goalkeeper problems.
 
Lehmann's lack of match practice was exposde throughout his first apperance for Arsenal since he was coaxed out of retirement to answer Arsene Wenger's emergency call.

A few mintues into the first half he was inches away from conceding an embarrassing own goal, miscueing the ball as he tried to clear a backpass.

Fortunately for him, the ball bounced narrowly wide of the post, but it was a less than auspicious way to resume a career which officially ended last June.

Lehmann was caught short again in the 52nd minute, when Callum McManaman put the home side ahead after racing clear of the Arsenal defence and slotting confidently past the keeper as he advanced from his line.

A few minutes later Lehmann was caught out of position in the area, allowed Jonathan Breeze to fire past him only to see the effort blocked on the goal line.

Joe Holt added a second in the 83rd minute from close range before Rhys Murphy pulled one back for Arsenal from the penalty spot on the stroke of full-time.

Lehmann was on the bench at the Emirates for Arsenal's Premier League game against West Brom 10 days ago, where a blunder from Manuel Almunia allowed the visitors to escape with a point.

That led to speculation that Lehmann might even replace the error-prone Spaniard - who effectively ended Lehmann's Arsenal career when he displaced him in 2008 - at the top of the club's goalkeeping pecking order in the absence of the injured Wojciech Szczescny and Lucasz Fabianksi.

On today's evidence, however, Almunia, whatever his faults, is still the best option Arsenal have.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 29, 2011, 10:39:31 AM
liek they poll all of the 1000 arsenal, liverpool, city and chelsea fans.


reason number 6,439,203 why everyone else who isnt a manu fans really dispises manu fans and not the actual club staff or players itself
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 29, 2011, 10:42:21 AM
liek they poll all of the 1000 arsenal, liverpool, city and chelsea fans.


reason number 6,439,203 why everyone else who isnt a manu fans really dispises manu fans and not the actual club staff or players itself
I doh know. To be more hated than Royal Bank of Scotland, a company that ruined the lives of thousands of people, is one hell of an achievement. As is being even more smug than the players who actually wear the uniform and do the work.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on March 29, 2011, 10:47:13 AM
liek they poll all of the 1000 arsenal, liverpool, city and chelsea fans.


They polled the "Bitters"!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 29, 2011, 11:01:51 AM
liek they poll all of the 1000 arsenal, liverpool, city and chelsea fans.


They polled the "Bitters"!
They only polled ppl in the UK
If it was the rest of the world they wouldn't do so bad, the TTFF would come out tops
Say it again ppl don't hate manu they hate how the manu fans behave towards everyone else
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 29, 2011, 11:09:41 AM
liek they poll all of the 1000 arsenal, liverpool, city and chelsea fans.


They polled the "Bitters"!
They only polled ppl in the UK
If it was the rest of the world they wouldn't do so bad, the TTFF would come out tops
Say it again ppl don't hate manu they hate how the manu fans behave towards everyone else
So you saying the only organisation in the world more hated than Man U is the TTFF?  :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on March 29, 2011, 11:33:55 AM
liek they poll all of the 1000 arsenal, liverpool, city and chelsea fans.


They polled the "Bitters"!
They only polled ppl in the UK
If it was the rest of the world they wouldn't do so bad, the TTFF would come out tops
Say it again ppl don't hate manu they hate how the manu fans behave towards everyone else

Gunner please; it have people on this forum who automatically dislike posters and or are rude as a result, because they support United even though they are respectful and objective when they post. And hate the team because they support a rival or because they think we get away with stuff and Fergie is a bully, ect., ect. 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 29, 2011, 11:52:52 AM
liek they poll all of the 1000 arsenal, liverpool, city and chelsea fans.


They polled the "Bitters"!
They only polled ppl in the UK
If it was the rest of the world they wouldn't do so bad, the TTFF would come out tops
Say it again ppl don't hate manu they hate how the manu fans behave towards everyone else

Gunner please; it have people on this forum who automatically dislike posters and or are rude as a result, because they support United even though they are respectful and objective when they post. And hate the team because they support a rival or because they think we get away with stuff and Fergie is a bully, ect., ect. 
Happens to every team.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Touches on March 29, 2011, 12:15:52 PM

Gunner please; it have people on this forum who automatically dislike posters and or are rude as a result, because they support United even though they are respectful and objective when they post. And hate the team because they support a rival or because they think we get away with stuff and Fergie is a bully, ect., ect. 

Yeah Dais Me right here...if yuh is a Manu fan I watching yuh ahow.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on March 29, 2011, 12:19:59 PM

Gunner please; it have people on this forum who automatically dislike posters and or are rude as a result, because they support United even though they are respectful and objective when they post. And hate the team because they support a rival or because they think we get away with stuff and Fergie is a bully, ect., ect. 

Yeah Dais Me right here...if yuh is a Manu fan I watching yuh ahow.

LOl!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 29, 2011, 12:35:51 PM

Gunner please; it have people on this forum who automatically dislike posters and or are rude as a result, because they support United even though they are respectful and objective when they post. And hate the team because they support a rival or because they think we get away with stuff and Fergie is a bully, ect., ect. 

Yeah Dais Me right here...if yuh is a Manu fan I watching yuh ahow.

LOl!
Honestly I doh really care about the fans. I just doh like Man U. I know Manu fans who treat people with respect, I know Manu fans who get on stink, I know Gooners who get on stink too. But since I am a Gooner I against everybody else.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 29, 2011, 01:06:50 PM
I only hope when we start to succeed we can remember to be humble in our success

Yuh know show them how real winners carry themselves
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 29, 2011, 04:16:44 PM
RvP injured
Could we make it any easier for manu or even chelsea?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Peong on March 29, 2011, 07:08:51 PM
I only hope when we start to succeed we can remember to be humble in our success

Yuh know show them how real winners carry themselves

Yuh mean IF.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 30, 2011, 05:16:58 AM
I only hope when we start to succeed we can remember to be humble in our success

Yuh know show them how real winners carry themselves

Yuh mean IF.
Just a matter of time hopefully not measured in decades
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on March 30, 2011, 06:12:19 AM
I only hope when we start to succeed we can remember to be humble in our success

Yuh know show them how real winners carry themselves

All yuh not humble now and allyuh havent won shite!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 30, 2011, 10:37:47 AM
I only hope when we start to succeed we can remember to be humble in our success

Yuh know show them how real winners carry themselves

All yuh not humble now and allyuh havent won shite!

excuse me?

keep it up bro just proving the point that most manu fans are arrogant sob's when it comes to thier club and treatment of other clubs and thier supporters
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on March 30, 2011, 11:12:27 AM
 
I only hope when we start to succeed we can remember to be humble in our success

Yuh know show them how real winners carry themselves

All yuh not humble now and allyuh havent won shite!

excuse me?

keep it up bro just proving the point that most manu fans are arrogant sob's when it comes to thier club and treatment of other clubs and thier supporters

No, excuse me. So how come you don't consider your statement/opinion that I responded to as arrogant and your self a SOB for making it? Does it not prove that you are being the way you are saying that United fans are? Arsenal and Arsene9's shite stinks just like United's and Fergie's does! No club, fans or manager are perfect or immune!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on March 30, 2011, 11:15:02 AM
I only hope when we start to succeed we can remember to be humble in our success

Yuh know show them how real winners carry themselves

All yuh not humble now and allyuh havent won shite!

excuse me?

keep it up bro just proving the point that most manu fans are arrogant sob's when it comes to thier club and treatment of other clubs and thier supporters
stop sulking and looking for sympathy
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on March 30, 2011, 05:47:18 PM
I only hope when we start to succeed we can remember to be humble in our success

Yuh know show them how real winners carry themselves

All yuh not humble now and allyuh havent won shite!

excuse me?

keep it up bro just proving the point that most manu fans are arrogant sob's when it comes to thier club and treatment of other clubs and thier supporters
stop sulking and looking for sympathy
Oh I love it!

Take it to new levels there!

If I want sympathy I'll get a dog

And I am certainly not sulking
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 01, 2011, 10:32:21 AM
gands all here! (almost bar cheesy, JD and tommy)

cesc rvp theo song and diaby(dont care) are back and fit for tomorrow vs blackburn

so squad looks like this i think

      Manuel
Sagna Squill LK Clichy
Song Wilshire Cesc
Theo RVP Nasri

now if only thier keeper is as bad as ours, arsenals biggest obstacle this season has been against teams who's keepers literally put in man of the match performances against us

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on April 01, 2011, 01:24:13 PM
gands all here! (almost bar cheesy, JD and tommy)

cesc rvp theo song and diaby(dont care) are back and fit for tomorrow vs blackburn

so squad looks like this i think

      Manuel
Sagna Squill LK Clichy
Song Wilshire Cesc
Theo RVP Nasri

now if only thier keeper is as bad as ours, arsenals biggest obstacle this season has been against teams who's keepers literally put in man of the match performances against us


That's because we don't have enough players running into the box. Think of the first goal against Chelsea. It took Song running into the box unmarked to crack their defence. They are also there for picking up rebounds off saves.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 02, 2011, 01:01:00 PM
That sucks today takes a miracle now
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on April 02, 2011, 04:05:43 PM
That sucks today takes a miracle now
Must win all and hope for United to drop points. Once again Wenger takes too long with the subs and not enough forward running. Wilshere has to learn the confidence to shoot as well.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on April 02, 2011, 08:13:35 PM
I only hope when we start to succeed we can remember to be humble in our success

Yuh know show them how real winners carry themselves

All yuh not humble now and allyuh havent won shite!

excuse me?

keep it up bro just proving the point that most manu fans are arrogant sob's when it comes to thier club and treatment of other clubs and thier supporters
stop sulking and looking for sympathy
Oh I love it!

Take it to new levels there!

If I want sympathy I'll get a dog

And I am certainly not sulking

 :whistling:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on April 03, 2011, 11:04:04 AM
I only hope when we start to succeed we can remember to be humble in our success

Yuh know show them how real winners carry themselves

All yuh not humble now and allyuh havent won shite!

excuse me?

keep it up bro just proving the point that most manu fans are arrogant sob's when it comes to thier club and treatment of other clubs and thier supporters
stop sulking and looking for sympathy
Oh I love it!

Take it to new levels there!

If I want sympathy I'll get a dog

And I am certainly not sulking

 :whistling:
Yeah Stunner. You were right about some Manure supporters being arrogant c*nts. Case in point.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 04, 2011, 08:44:00 AM
ah well
i hope we win the rest of the games an finish on some sort of a bitter sweet end to this season.
its out of our hands even if us and chelsea beat manu it stil lleaves them one point ahead and still leaving it up to chelsea and the others to peg them back

i wanna see this club learn some tennacity, guts, never say die, and just keep outscoring other teams

something is up, something has been up for 6 years, there needs to be a change rung and rung ture this summer
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on April 04, 2011, 09:08:46 AM
I only hope when we start to succeed we can remember to be humble in our success

Yuh know show them how real winners carry themselves

All yuh not humble now and allyuh havent won shite!

excuse me?

keep it up bro just proving the point that most manu fans are arrogant sob's when it comes to thier club and treatment of other clubs and thier supporters
stop sulking and looking for sympathy
Oh I love it!

Take it to new levels there!

If I want sympathy I'll get a dog

And I am certainly not sulking

 :whistling:
Yeah Stunner. You were right about some Manure supporters being arrogant c*nts. Case in point.

 :rotfl:

true true, poooooooor arsenal, utd fans are sooooo arrogant...lets hide behind that and get sympathy from all the haters. U better watch out b4 chelsea knocks u out of 2nd place.

BTW, nice language u use..really shows your humility and class  :beermug:







Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on April 04, 2011, 09:44:33 AM
ah well
i hope we win the rest of the games an finish on some sort of a bitter sweet end to this season.
its out of our hands even if us and chelsea beat manu it stil lleaves them one point ahead and still leaving it up to chelsea and the others to peg them back

i wanna see this club learn some tennacity, guts, never say die, and just keep outscoring other teams

something is up, something has been up for 6 years, there needs to be a change rung and rung ture this summer
Not entirely correct. Arsenal beat ManU and have a game in hand. I not hopeful since we have won only 1 of our last 7 but maybe as we have players back from injury who were a bit rusty. All we can do is hope for Chelsea or someone else to take points off them and go on a 8 game winning streak, which we haven't done all season.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on April 06, 2011, 04:17:56 PM
Yes ladies and gents, the plan taking shape! United will struggle but make it to the final, getting more and more tired, until Real Madrid (or maybe Barca) wash dem in Wembley. The fatigue causes their league form to dip and Arsenal catches them to win the title. Manure go hold dong a FA Cup.

Arsene knows!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 07, 2011, 07:33:32 AM
interesting insight from martin keown????

Martin Keown has come out with some interesting quotes, hinting that this summer there will finally be change at Arsenal.

The Gunners made the move to the Emirates Stadium in 2006 and have not won a single trophy in this time due to financial restraints, but Keown believes Arsène Wenger will now, after five seasons at the new ground, have a bit more freedom to spend money on players.

The former centre-back, who was part of the famous Invincibles side of 2004, says that Wenger is not one to keep relying on players who are not good enough, and will change things around after what is likely to be another trophyless campaign.

Keown said: "The fans have become disenchanted with certain areas of the team and they want players to be replaced.

"But the club went with a five-year plan to invest in youth because of the constraints of building the Emirates Stadium.

"However, if the players don't win the league this year, there will be more money ploughed in.

"And there's nobody I'd sooner have spending money than Arsène Wenger because he spends wisely.

"He hasn't really been able to compete because of the demands of the new stadium but that must be changing now.

"I know from experience that Wenger invests a certain amount of time in you as a player and once he feels you are at the end of the line he gets someone else in to do the job."

Sounds too good to be true doesn't it? But you do have to wonder how long Wenger can use the stadium debt as an excuse. It has been five years and we've always made a profit every season, so surely we wouldn't be in danger if we were to go on a minor spending spree this summer?

I'm not an expert on the financial side of football, but I do know that while you get the occasional Leeds and Portsmouth-esque crisis, most clubs are in a certain degree of debt, certainly all of the big clubs I can think of. I've been hearing for years about how United's debt is going to lead to their downfall but I see no sign of that.

Spending money on players doesn't always solve everything, but what we have been doing hasn't worked, so why not try something else?

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on April 07, 2011, 07:37:31 AM
Yes ladies and gents, the plan taking shape! United will struggle but make it to the final, getting more and more tired, until Real Madrid (or maybe Barca) wash dem in Wembley. The fatigue causes their league form to dip and Arsenal catches them to win the title. Manure go hold dong a FA Cup.

Arsene knows!

 :rotfl:

lol looks like youre another one of those guys who lie in bed thinking about utd whole night.
 ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: D.H.W on April 07, 2011, 07:46:18 AM
 :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 07, 2011, 07:47:16 AM
Yes ladies and gents, the plan taking shape! United will struggle but make it to the final, getting more and more tired, until Real Madrid (or maybe Barca) wash dem in Wembley. The fatigue causes their league form to dip and Arsenal catches them to win the title. Manure go hold dong a FA Cup.

Arsene knows!

 :rotfl:

lol looks like youre another one of those guys who lie in bed thinking about utd whole night.
 ;D
and looks like you are one of those who likes to think others are thinking about them
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 07, 2011, 07:47:43 AM
:devil:
oh look another one
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 07, 2011, 07:51:28 AM
love this article

The thing about studying physics, and therefore maths, and therefore statistics, is you come to realise that you can find numbers to support pretty much any supposition, if only you are prepared to look hard enough.

I don't like to dwell on Sp*rs for too long, but listening to the television coverage last night, it struck me how the presentation of the facts can twist the shape of a game beyond all recognition. So let us compare the coverage of the North London teams' away defeats to the Spaniards.

Red Cards: 1 apiece.

Facts: Sp*rs were already 1-0 down. At 1-1, Arsenal were going through on aggregate, with a goal cushion.

Media Reaction: Crouch's dismissal irrefutably changed the course of the game. Van Persie's dismissal simply hastened the onset of the inevitable.

Possession: both were dominated.

Facts: Sp*rs had 28% possession and 24% territory, Arsenal had 24% and 31% territory.

Media Reaction: Sp*rs "held on manfully" while Arsenal were "second-best throughout."

I should be clear here – I am not necessarily disputing the validity of the media reaction to our performance, but the real issue here is the inconsistency of opinion. These media opinions are based on often twisting facts beyond all recognition, and, in my opinion, have reached a level which can amount to a witch-hunt. Arsenal fans are at war with one another, and all too often, you hear the same tired arguments which frequently spew from the mouths of people such as Jamie Redknapp.

I know I have bastardised the quotation somewhat, but let's take at look at some of the more frequent claims. Statistics are facts which can be twisted this way and that to suit the argument. Damned statistics are facts which produce a damning verdict. And lies are fairly self explanatory.

Wenger is unwilling to spend big money on players: Nasri, Arshavin and Sagna are all examples of Wenger's willingness to spend, as long as the price is appropriate. Man Utd have only been able to continue to spend because of the £80m they received for Ronaldo a couple of years ago, and while they are still a strong team, they have not regained the same level of lethalness that has embarrassed us at times. You have to ask yourself, would you rather see Fabregas leave for £50m, (make no bones about it – Barcelona cannot afford to pay a massive amount more) and a couple of players come in and take time to bed down? There is a place for big money signings, but only if the product reflects the price. Wenger has spent middle money on players such as Ramsey, Wilshere, and Walcott, and very little on others such as Fabregas, Van Persie, and Szczesny, and they are finally beginning to deliver and justify their cost. Wenger doesn't spend as much on big name signings, but that isn't necessarily an inferior approach. Statistic.

Wenger won't bring in the needed experience: For many a season, fans have been crying out for an experienced centre half, and an experienced goalkeeper. I am firmly in the camp which believes that Szczesny has become a solution to the goalkeeping issue, but that doesn't change the fact that we have had a couple of seasons with no solid number one, while he has emerged. Of the players who have arrived at the club over the past 5 years, even those who are in their late twenties have little experience of winning trophies. Maybe they don't even have to be players, maybe we just need some of the old Arsenal guard in the backroom staff to fire the players up, and get them understanding what this great club is all about. Damned statistic.

Wenger doesn't want to win anything – he is happy with Champions League football: I must admit that I have difficulty understanding this view. It is ludicrous to suggest that someone who has put their life and soul into the industry (and continues to work in it, despite obviously being able to retire comfortably) would not want to win trophies. It may not be based on statistics, but you only have to watch Wenger on the touchline to see that he cares deeply about this great club, and it is frankly insulting, in my opinion, to suggest he does not want to deliver. Lie.

The main point, I guess, is that next time someone tries to use statistics to convince you of a viewpoint, take it with the required pinch of salt, and make up your own mind. A discussion of the media witch-hunt is an article for another day, but if we all make up our own minds, we may find we have less to argue about than we had thought.

An aside for the doom and gloomers:

"Who will pay for a seat to watch the team play?" said the little red men.

"Not I," the naysayers said.

"And who will cheer the team on from the first minute?" said the little red men.

"Not I," they said.

"And who will still cheer the team on, as the clock ticks into the 95th minute?" said the little red men.

"Not I," the naysayers said.

"But who will celebrate when the league title?" said the little red men.

"I will," the naysayers said.

"Oh no you won't," said the little red men. And they walked off into the sunset with their medals.

Do your bit for the team. Let's make the Emirates a fortress, starting now.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on April 07, 2011, 08:16:39 AM
Yes ladies and gents, the plan taking shape! United will struggle but make it to the final, getting more and more tired, until Real Madrid (or maybe Barca) wash dem in Wembley. The fatigue causes their league form to dip and Arsenal catches them to win the title. Manure go hold dong a FA Cup.

Arsene knows!

 :rotfl:

lol looks like youre another one of those guys who lie in bed thinking about utd whole night.
 ;D
Just about the points we need them to drop. Of course ignorant jackasses who are too stupid to see the irony of their posting idiotic comments on an ARSENAL thread wouldn't realise that, so, hol it dong.

:beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on April 07, 2011, 08:26:36 AM
Yes ladies and gents, the plan taking shape! United will struggle but make it to the final, getting more and more tired, until Real Madrid (or maybe Barca) wash dem in Wembley. The fatigue causes their league form to dip and Arsenal catches them to win the title. Manure go hold dong a FA Cup.

Arsene knows!

 :rotfl:

lol looks like youre another one of those guys who lie in bed thinking about utd whole night.
 ;D
Just about the points we need them to drop. Of course ignorant jackasses who are too stupid to see the irony of their posting idiotic comments on an ARSENAL thread wouldn't realise that, so, hol it dong.

:beermug:

there's that great humility shining through again.  8)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on April 07, 2011, 08:31:09 AM
love this article

The thing about studying physics, and therefore maths, and therefore statistics, is you come to realise that you can find numbers to support pretty much any supposition, if only you are prepared to look hard enough.

I don't like to dwell on Sp*rs for too long, but listening to the television coverage last night, it struck me how the presentation of the facts can twist the shape of a game beyond all recognition. So let us compare the coverage of the North London teams' away defeats to the Spaniards.

Red Cards: 1 apiece.

Facts: Sp*rs were already 1-0 down. At 1-1, Arsenal were going through on aggregate, with a goal cushion.

Media Reaction: Crouch's dismissal irrefutably changed the course of the game. Van Persie's dismissal simply hastened the onset of the inevitable.

Possession: both were dominated.

Facts: Sp*rs had 28% possession and 24% territory, Arsenal had 24% and 31% territory.

Media Reaction: Sp*rs "held on manfully" while Arsenal were "second-best throughout."

I should be clear here – I am not necessarily disputing the validity of the media reaction to our performance, but the real issue here is the inconsistency of opinion. These media opinions are based on often twisting facts beyond all recognition, and, in my opinion, have reached a level which can amount to a witch-hunt. Arsenal fans are at war with one another, and all too often, you hear the same tired arguments which frequently spew from the mouths of people such as Jamie Redknapp.

I know I have bastardised the quotation somewhat, but let's take at look at some of the more frequent claims. Statistics are facts which can be twisted this way and that to suit the argument. Damned statistics are facts which produce a damning verdict. And lies are fairly self explanatory.

Wenger is unwilling to spend big money on players: Nasri, Arshavin and Sagna are all examples of Wenger's willingness to spend, as long as the price is appropriate. Man Utd have only been able to continue to spend because of the £80m they received for Ronaldo a couple of years ago, and while they are still a strong team, they have not regained the same level of lethalness that has embarrassed us at times. You have to ask yourself, would you rather see Fabregas leave for £50m, (make no bones about it – Barcelona cannot afford to pay a massive amount more) and a couple of players come in and take time to bed down? There is a place for big money signings, but only if the product reflects the price. Wenger has spent middle money on players such as Ramsey, Wilshere, and Walcott, and very little on others such as Fabregas, Van Persie, and Szczesny, and they are finally beginning to deliver and justify their cost. Wenger doesn't spend as much on big name signings, but that isn't necessarily an inferior approach. Statistic.

Wenger won't bring in the needed experience: For many a season, fans have been crying out for an experienced centre half, and an experienced goalkeeper. I am firmly in the camp which believes that Szczesny has become a solution to the goalkeeping issue, but that doesn't change the fact that we have had a couple of seasons with no solid number one, while he has emerged. Of the players who have arrived at the club over the past 5 years, even those who are in their late twenties have little experience of winning trophies. Maybe they don't even have to be players, maybe we just need some of the old Arsenal guard in the backroom staff to fire the players up, and get them understanding what this great club is all about. Damned statistic.

Wenger doesn't want to win anything – he is happy with Champions League football: I must admit that I have difficulty understanding this view. It is ludicrous to suggest that someone who has put their life and soul into the industry (and continues to work in it, despite obviously being able to retire comfortably) would not want to win trophies. It may not be based on statistics, but you only have to watch Wenger on the touchline to see that he cares deeply about this great club, and it is frankly insulting, in my opinion, to suggest he does not want to deliver. Lie.

The main point, I guess, is that next time someone tries to use statistics to convince you of a viewpoint, take it with the required pinch of salt, and make up your own mind. A discussion of the media witch-hunt is an article for another day, but if we all make up our own minds, we may find we have less to argue about than we had thought.

An aside for the doom and gloomers:

"Who will pay for a seat to watch the team play?" said the little red men.

"Not I," the naysayers said.

"And who will cheer the team on from the first minute?" said the little red men.

"Not I," they said.

"And who will still cheer the team on, as the clock ticks into the 95th minute?" said the little red men.

"Not I," the naysayers said.

"But who will celebrate when the league title?" said the little red men.

"I will," the naysayers said.

"Oh no you won't," said the little red men. And they walked off into the sunset with their medals.

Do your bit for the team. Let's make the Emirates a fortress, starting now.

Maybe Arsene just wanna win on his own terms. He did it before and i guess he want to do it again.
He is the boss, and he has a vision and he sticking to it.
its pretty hard for a guy to hold on and invest his time, hopes and dreams into this team and just give in and buy buy buy, esp since he always comes sooo close.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on April 07, 2011, 08:36:25 AM
Yes ladies and gents, the plan taking shape! United will struggle but make it to the final, getting more and more tired, until Real Madrid (or maybe Barca) wash dem in Wembley. The fatigue causes their league form to dip and Arsenal catches them to win the title. Manure go hold dong a FA Cup.

Arsene knows!

 :rotfl:

lol looks like youre another one of those guys who lie in bed thinking about utd whole night.
 ;D
Just about the points we need them to drop. Of course ignorant jackasses who are too stupid to see the irony of their posting idiotic comments on an ARSENAL thread wouldn't realise that, so, hol it dong.

:beermug:

there's that great humility shining through again.  8)
More irony. You seem addicted to it.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Touches on April 09, 2011, 06:04:28 AM
Source BBC sport (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/9452017.stm)

Wenger is a man in denial.... ???

Arsene Wenger says second place is 'not a disaster'


Wenger's side are second in the Premier League, seven points behind Manchester United with a game in hand

Arsene Wenger insists failure to win a trophy for a sixth successive season would not be a "disaster" for Arsenal.

The Arsenal Supporters' Trust recently expressed "considerable disappointment" at recent results.

The Gunners boss said: "We are second in the league. Is that a disaster? There are teams who invest 10 times more than us, and they are behind us.

"Some of the clubs behind us have done nothing for 20 years, yet suddenly get a lot of praise. I don't understand."

He added: "If we are disappointed at the end [of the season] then OK. Why do you say it's a disaster when we are second in the league? Do the 18 clubs behind us have a fantastic disaster?"

The Gunners are second in the Premier League behind Manchester United, but were knocked out of the FA Cup and the Champions League in the last six weeks, as well as losing the Carling Cup final to Birmingham.

They have not won a trophy since the FA Cup in 2005 - but have been a permanent fixture in the top four of the table, earning regular Champions League participation.

And the Frenchman wants any criticism of his team to be put into context, insisting they are heading in the right direction.

Wenger went on: "We have been in the Champions League for 15 years, and there are only two clubs who have done that in this country - it is us and Manchester United.
   
If I look at this team I'm proud of them, proud of the attitude of the players and the football we play

Arsene Wenger

"Trophies are one way to judge a club. They're not overrated as it allows you to say you have won a trophy, but would you swap winning the FA Cup for playing in the Champions League?

"Is it a trophy or not to be in the Champions League? Is it more important to win the FA Cup?"

"We do as well as we can, and if it's not good enough it's not good enough, but what I deny is that everything is suddenly negative. We have built this club. Look at the players in this team. I will speak to you in 10 years."

Wenger also gave a staunch defence of his policy to invest in youth rather than signing proven stars, adding: "We have done well for our age as we are second in the league.

"There are teams who invest 10 times more than us, one player cost more than the whole team and they are behind us. I don't understand the way people think."

Having dropped points at home in the draw with 10-man Blackburn last weekend, Arsenal trail leaders United by seven points with a game in hand.

Ahead of Saturday's trip to Bloomfield Road to take on Ian Holloway's Blackpool, Wenger urged everyone involved with the club to get behind the team as they chase a first title since 2004.

"We have eight games to go and are in a position to fight for the championship, so let's give the maximum," he said.

"If I cannot defend the fact that we are second in the league and fighting for the championship then I should stay at home, but I am in a fighting job."

Wenger reaffirmed his belief that this Arsenal team will enjoy success, and can rise above any criticism that comes their way.

"If I look at this team I'm proud of them, proud of the attitude of the players and the football we play," he added.

"It's only in this country that we have to face what we face. If you go anywhere else in the world Arsenal are given much more credit, I can tell you."
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on April 09, 2011, 06:45:25 AM
Lots of truth to what Wenger said. He is right that the ability to spend was limited due to the building of the Emirates. He is also spot on that some clubs have spent more money on one player than his whole squad and that those clubs have achieved very little in comparison. I will also point out that now that money is available it only makes sense to spend it on quality players. Some of the money paid for some very ordinary players seems to be the order of the day in the Premier. Yes the club has been very consistent at every level. The unfortunate reality of football is that their can only be one winner. If it was an Olympic event, any athlete and I dear say the fans would be pleased with a silver or bronze! Not football! However, the fans will always demand success. Then there is the media who take delight in getting managers fired & players in a shit storm, but say wha! fack de media.
 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 09, 2011, 11:35:55 AM
So there is talk about an arsenal summer clear out I hope so
But
Like all talk its just that I don't remember fbd club having a so called clear out over summer

anyway the rest of the season us about pride

Squad tomo looking like

Almunia
Sagna Squillaci LK Clichy
Nasri Wilshire Cesc
Walcott RVP AA
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on April 09, 2011, 04:12:51 PM
Coach say Chesney and JD should be in squad for Liverpool.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on April 09, 2011, 08:20:47 PM
Coach say Chesney and JD should be in squad for Liverpool.

also implied that Vermaelen could be back the week after.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on April 10, 2011, 12:37:18 AM
Coach say Chesney and JD should be in squad for Liverpool.

also implied that Vermaelen could be back the week after.
I think he specified he would be in the Training Squad, not the team. I think he's done this season. We've heard this before about Vermaelen coming back.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on April 10, 2011, 06:36:43 AM
Lehman in goal. Arsene write off the season.

I hope Almunia have something lined up.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on April 10, 2011, 06:58:27 AM
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Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on April 10, 2011, 08:28:47 AM
Job done today Gunners. Lehman still crazy though. 3 great goals but we still missing Song. Sort it out Arsene! :cheers:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on April 10, 2011, 01:41:44 PM
Coach say Chesney and JD should be in squad for Liverpool.

also implied that Vermaelen could be back the week after.
I think he specified he would be in the Training Squad, not the team. I think he's done this season. We've heard this before about Vermaelen coming back.

As long as there isn't another set back I don't see why he wouldn't play in the last 6 games or how ever many. Not sure if we saw the same interview but I think it's the pre-Blackpool interview on arsenal.com where Wenger sounds like he's saying that Vermaelen is close to being back in the squad. I would welcome it.

You know what's funny. I felt more comfortable with Lehmann in goal today than I've felt with Almunia lately.  :-\
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on April 10, 2011, 06:58:32 PM
Jens looked ok except for 2 crazy moments. The foul before Blackpool's goal and a clearance straight to a Blackpool midfielder in space late in the game. I'm still skeptical but hopefully he keeps refreshing himself with the reserve games. Let's hope Szczesny is back next week and we don't have to worry about this stuff anymore.

Yes it was the pre-Blackpool interview. I would be extremely happy to get Vermaelen back but given his problems this season I'm not getting my hopes up. I just hope he and Djourou can form a long term core partnership and maybe rotate Kos and Squill to keep them sharp. I truly believe that those two can form one of the great central defensive pairs.

Coach say Chesney and JD should be in squad for Liverpool.

also implied that Vermaelen could be back the week after.
I think he specified he would be in the Training Squad, not the team. I think he's done this season. We've heard this before about Vermaelen coming back.

As long as there isn't another set back I don't see why he wouldn't play in the last 6 games or how ever many. Not sure if we saw the same interview but I think it's the pre-Blackpool interview on arsenal.com where Wenger sounds like he's saying that Vermaelen is close to being back in the squad. I would welcome it.

You know what's funny. I felt more comfortable with Lehmann in goal today than I've felt with Almunia lately.  :-\
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 11, 2011, 08:45:30 AM
Yankee Doodle Stanley

looks like arsenal has a new boss, but its business as usual, nto sure if we will buy and sell in summer as a result or if it was already planned to

either way

glad we got the 3 points BUT we still wasting goal chances AND defensive brain farts are still going to cost us till the end of the season

we got a few BIG games up next

starting with liverpool, the spurs then bolton then manu

all potential banana's except manu  :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on April 11, 2011, 09:27:51 AM
In two minds about the takeover. I think the club is already well run and don't want him to come in and mash it up. Maybe he could push Wenger to be a bit more aggressive in the transfer market though. Time will tell.

Hopefully Djourou, Song and Szczesny come back for this weekend's game. We have Liverpool Sunday and Sp*rs next Wednesday (the game in hand) so 2 tough ones in a row. Nothing but 6 points will do for the title challenge.

Yankee Doodle Stanley

looks like arsenal has a new boss, but its business as usual, nto sure if we will buy and sell in summer as a result or if it was already planned to

either way

glad we got the 3 points BUT we still wasting goal chances AND defensive brain farts are still going to cost us till the end of the season

we got a few BIG games up next

starting with liverpool, the spurs then bolton then manu

all potential banana's except manu  :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 12, 2011, 02:15:46 PM
just so this can be at the top of the forum while the red n blue scum fight it out  :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on April 13, 2011, 03:25:47 PM
Szczesny and Djourou expected back for Liverpool. Don't know about Song though. Like the sound of that as we back to our strongest defence, but I fraid Denilson play instead of Song. Although if Liverpool play the heavy pressing game they did against City he might not be such a bad pick, as long as somebody else does the tackling for him.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 13, 2011, 03:36:15 PM
Arsenal director Danny Fizmann died today, probably why he wanted to sell shares before he did die

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on April 13, 2011, 09:52:20 PM
Szczesny and Djourou expected back for Liverpool. Don't know about Song though. Like the sound of that as we back to our strongest defence, but I fraid Denilson play instead of Song. Although if Liverpool play the heavy pressing game they did against City he might not be such a bad pick, as long as somebody else does the tackling for him.

Denilson will not play if Diaby, Wilshere and Ramsey are fit. I would be very surprised if Wenger hasn't lost patience with Denilson by now. Now that we're only playing one game a week, Denilson should no longer be needed.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on April 13, 2011, 09:59:52 PM
I believe you're right. I sincerely hope so. Taking Denilson off at halftime a few weeks ago was the first time in ages I remember seeing Wenger make an unforced tactical substitution before the 60th minute. The old ruthlessness is coming back.

I had forgotten about Diaby. Nice to see he has his shooting boots back... for now. Long may it continue. Would like to see more of Rambo, but I honestly haven't paid much attention to his defensive work.

Szczesny and Djourou expected back for Liverpool. Don't know about Song though. Like the sound of that as we back to our strongest defence, but I fraid Denilson play instead of Song. Although if Liverpool play the heavy pressing game they did against City he might not be such a bad pick, as long as somebody else does the tackling for him.

Denilson will not play if Diaby, Wilshere and Ramsey are fit. I would be very surprised if Wenger hasn't lost patience with Denilson by now. Now that we're only playing one game a week, Denilson should no longer be needed.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on April 14, 2011, 11:06:40 AM
From Le Boss:

"We have no new injuries but we have a big doubt on Sagna," Wenger told Arsenal TV Online on Thursday.

"Djourou and Wojciech are question marks. Will they be fit? That all has still to be decided. We have two more days to find out. It could be a possibility that they could be available. "It's difficult to say what their chances are. We have a test Thursday, we have a big test to see how they survive the training session. That will be very important.

"Denilson and Song have a chance to be available as well."

Thomas Vermaelen will not be fit to face Liverpool but Wenger confirmed that the Belgian defender is back in full training after missing most of the season with tendon problems.

"I am not reluctant to use him but he is not match fit yet," said the manager. "He just joined the team this week so we have to be a bit patient with him."
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on April 15, 2011, 12:32:56 PM
The Island of Arsenal
Will an American billionaire change the culture of England's most glamorous soccer club?

By Brian Phillips
Posted Thursday, April 14, 2011, at 12:13 PM ET
http://www.slate.com/id/2291241/pagenum/all

It's impossible to talk about Arsenal without talking about the je ne sais quoi of Arsenal, its ineffable Arsenal-ness, that special mélange of esprit and souffrance that sets Arsenal willfully and gloriously and somewhat ludicrously apart from every other soccer team in England. Arsenal plays the most stylish soccer, an intricate passing game of overlapping runs and constant movement. Arsenal suffers the most agonizing collapses: five years and counting without a trophy. Arsenal's manager, Arsene Wenger, is one of soccer's great self-dooming visionaries, a gaunt Frenchman who'd rather lose matches than sacrifice his beau ideal of how to play the game. "I have the impression of living on an island called Arsenal," he once said. Wenger meant that he didn't know his way around London, but it might as well have been the opening salvo in a philosophical tract. In the roughhouse, smash-the-ball-and-run English Premier League, Arsenal's commitment to Wenger's delicate passing scheme makes it a city on a hill.

At the moment, though, it's a city under siege. The title drought, combined with Arsenal's recent history of spectacular late-season implosions, has called Wenger's philosophy into question. And now a change in the club's ownership threatens to alter Arsenal's essential teleology. On Monday, the news came down that Stan Kroenke, a plainspoken American billionaire and one of Arsenal's major investors, had struck a deal with other shareholders to buy a majority of the club. Control of England's most glamorous soccer team thus falls to the absolutely unglamorous real-estate developer behind the St. Louis Rams and the Denver Nuggets. The development wasn't exactly unexpected—Kroenke has been wrangling for control of Arsenal for four years, maneuvering against the Uzbek industrial magnate Alisher Usmanov—but the start of the Kroenke era throws open the question of Arsenal's identity and future. Is Wenger's approach the right one? Will Kroenke shift the club's focus toward pragmatism and at-all-costs winning? And if the club does transform under American leadership, will Arsenal still be Arsenal without its Arsenal-ness?

Kroenke's coronation already represents a big change in culture. Before the American came along, Arsenal's ownership structure was, appropriately, one of the weirdest in English sports. Other clubs are owned by single individuals (Chelsea) or staid corporations (Liverpool). Arsenal was owned by a lost scene from Casablanca. Most of the club's 62,000 shares were divided among a florid group of aristocrats and upstarts; glancing over the board of directors was like watching the Simpsons' "Ship of Lost Souls" skit. There was a millionaire diamond dealer living as a tax exile in Switzerland. There was an Indian noblewoman, Lady Nina Bracewell-Smith, who got her shares from her husband, Sir George Bracewell-Smith, who got them from his father, Sir Bracewell Smith, who was pickled in aspic during the reign of George V. There was a gentleman known, by choice, as "Sir Chips Keswick."

Surprisingly, this little band did pretty well with Arsenal, mostly by hiring executives who were smart enough to run the club's business affairs but savvy enough to leave the soccer side to Wenger. Partly because the boardroom was a democracy of sorts, it kept up excellent relations with the fans, who now own a small minority of the club and oppose a full takeover by Kroenke. (Arsenal's cosmopolitan fan base, which includes Ray Davies, Nick Hornby, and, reportedly, Her Majesty the Queen, was possibly never a perfect fit for a Missouri businessman whose wife is a Wal-Mart heiress.)

This whole crazy contraption lurched into modernity in 2006, when Arsenal moved from its antiquated little park at Highbury to the gleaming new Emirates Stadium—more a spaceship than a sports arena, more a website than a spaceship—and cleverly offset the cost by converting the team's old facility into a luxury apartment complex. For a long time, even after Kroenke and Usmanov started circling the club in 2007, it seemed as if the club could run this way forever—baronets at the center, flirting with predation by tycoons on the outside, and somehow continuing to field a top-class soccer team, like an Edith Wharton novel that dropped Jack Wilshere out the other side.

But of course it couldn't last. This is the decade of the foreign billionaire in English soccer, and the American billionaire specifically. Arsenal will be the fifth Premier League club to go under American control since the mid-2000s (though Usmanov, who owns 27 percent of the shares, could still make trouble). Kroenke's takeover coincides with mounting fan frustration over the team's trophyless streak, which has featured increasingly excruciating breakdowns. Two defeats in the final of the Carling Cup. Consecutive high-stakes upendings by Barcelona in the quarterfinals of the Champions League. The same late-season loss to a beatable team running over and over again, like a worn-out reel at a small-town movie theater.

This season has been the most crushing. In February, Arsenal was alive in all four major competitions, a rare feat. Early in that month, the team lost a 4-0 lead against Newcastle, a dazzling act of choking that had never before been achieved by a Premier League squad. Then they lost the Carling Cup final to lowly Birmingham, dramatically won the first leg of their Champions League quarter against Barcelona only to crash out in the second, and fizzled against hated rival Manchester United in the FA Cup. Arsenal could conceivably still win the Premier League—they're seven points behind Manchester United with seven games to play—but given recent history, it's hard to believe that they will.

If Kroenke has any chance of reversing this trend, he'll first have to unravel a logic puzzle. All the flaws in Arsenal's recent approach—overreliance on young players, rigid insistence on a single tactical system, a lack of ambition in the transfer market, a failure to replace stars like Thierry Henry and Patrick Vieira—can be laid at the feet of Arsene Wenger. And yet Wenger is a soccer genius, an indisputably great coach who's led the club to some of its finest moments, including three Premier League titles and, in 2003-04, the first undefeated season by any team in top-flight English soccer since 1889. He's still beloved by most fans, who've made "Arsene Knows" into a sort of soccer koan. At the general shareholders' meeting in 2007, the club unveiled a bronze bust of him. He can't be fired, and he insists he has a plan, but on the touchline he increasingly looks like a man embittered by the world's failure to live up to his standards. Give him free rein, and his young charges Fabregas, Nasri, Van Persie, and Walcott could catalyze into a force capable of winning titles for years to come. But the timeline for that development, as understandably frustrated fans point out, always seems to begin "next season." As things stand, it would be insane for Kroenke to interfere, and equally insane for Kroenke to let things slide.

It's worth noting that for all its beauty on the pitch, Arsenal's style isn't really a romantic phenomenon. The club's aura is one of smart, highbrow competence, somewhere on the border of distingué and hipsterish. (If Arsenal were American, it would appeal both to David Brooks and to people who hate David Brooks.) In other words, its glamour is essentially commercial; Arsenal, which redesigned its crest in 2002 in order to sell more shirts, is pure at heart in the same way as an indie band whose songs sound great in Mercedes advertisements. Even Wenger is sometimes most comfortable casting his ideals as pure show business. "When somebody buys a ticket and spends £50, £60, or £70, it is not because he wants to be bored," he said in 2005. "The target for every manager … is to try to entertain people."

It's possible that this is precisely what drew Kroenke to the club in the first place: Arsenal, like Apple computers or Prada, can be subjected to endless commercial exploitation without losing the prestige that makes it unique. If that's the case, then expect Kroenke to tinker very little with the formula established by the gang of aristocrats that preceded him. He'll monitor shirt sales and sponsorships, make occasional appearances at the Emirates and smile vaguely in the stands. In the meantime, the ambiguities of Arsenal's identity—the triumphant style and the shattering losses, the brilliance and the frustration—will cascade without ever resolving, like some beautiful attacking move that never quite reaches the goal.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on April 15, 2011, 02:55:13 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What a great article. Glad to know there's another Gooner on here who appreciates Brian Phillips football writing. A bit self congratulatory (if he's a Gooner) but it reflects a lot of what I feel about Wenger's Arsenal, which I love for somewhat different reasons than I loved GG's Arsenal.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on April 17, 2011, 10:05:59 AM
Nice piece of writing, thanks for that.

Arsenal does not need much IMHO to become a team that captures silver every year. The philosophy is set and their approach play is one of the most difficult to contain for Premiership teams. However, in front of goal Arsenal don't really scare anyone because they do not pepper the goal. Seldom do Arsenal actually score on secondary chances (rebounds etc. ) and neither do they shoot from outside the area (both related). So teams just say "right we will get tight, drop off and you pass it between us if you can and score." ie: predictable, and at times slow.
The second rectifiable situation is where are the bruisers (for lack of a better word) when its a Premiership game where sleeves need to be rolled up. In the past Petite, Viera, Keown, Parlor, Flamini etc.

So with a couple of key buys Arsenal could dominate for a while.

Just my uneducated opinion from outside looking in.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: D.H.W on April 17, 2011, 11:04:39 AM
 :heehee:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on April 17, 2011, 11:04:50 AM
Listen, it is more entertaining listening to the Arsenull fans screaming shit at the Arsenal players when they make a shupid play on the field!  :devil:Pure kicks! Oh yeah Arsenull draw-two dives = two penalties!  :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Blue on April 17, 2011, 11:09:43 AM
hard luck arsenal...great entertainment for the neutral (well, the last 10 minutes anyway, before that I was watching stoke-bolton).

On a serious note though...that is not what champions are made of  :thumbsdown:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: triniairman on April 17, 2011, 11:09:58 AM
:heehee:
:rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on April 17, 2011, 11:10:34 AM
Somebody needs to tell Arsene9 that he is wearing a nice suit and he would not want Daglish to sully it!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on April 17, 2011, 11:12:00 AM
Listen, it is more entertaining listening to the Arsenull fans screaming shit at the Arsenal players when they f*ck on the field!  :devil:Pure entertainment! Oh yeah Arsenull draw-two dives = two penalties!  :devil:

Nah, yuh being a little harsh and unfair.  The Arsenal penalty was legit: he kick de man.  liverpool own, on the other hand......it kinda 50-50....it look like eboue shove de man....but yuh could see lucas was lookin' to embrace de ground, too. Oh well.....this game was really like watchin' paint dry on a wall.  It hard to tell which team was de paint and which one was de wall.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on April 17, 2011, 11:20:14 AM
hard luck arsenal...great entertainment for the neutral (well, the last 10 minutes anyway, before that I was watching stoke-bolton).

On a serious note though...that is not what champions are made of  :thumbsdown:


Mentally weak team!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on April 17, 2011, 11:28:44 AM
Listen, it is more entertaining listening to the Arsenull fans screaming shit at the Arsenal players when they f*ck on the field!  :devil:Pure entertainment! Oh yeah Arsenull draw-two dives = two penalties!  :devil:

Nah, yuh being a little harsh and unfair.  The Arsenal penalty was legit: he kick de man.  liverpool own, on the other hand......it kinda 50-50....it look like eboue shove de man....but yuh could see lucas was lookin' to embrace de ground, too. Oh well.....this game was really like watchin' paint dry on a wall.  It hard to tell which team was de paint and which one was de wall.

Anything involving Fiberglas will not get the benefit of the doubt from me. Great player but exhibits poor sportmanship and he is a cheater!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on April 17, 2011, 11:31:54 AM
Listen, it is more entertaining listening to the Arsenull fans screaming shit at the Arsenal players when they f*ck on the field!  :devil:Pure entertainment! Oh yeah Arsenull draw-two dives = two penalties!  :devil:

Nah, yuh being a little harsh and unfair.  The Arsenal penalty was legit: he kick de man.  liverpool own, on the other hand......it kinda 50-50....it look like eboue shove de man....but yuh could see lucas was lookin' to embrace de ground, too. Oh well.....this game was really like watchin' paint dry on a wall.  It hard to tell which team was de paint and which one was de wall.

Anything involving Fiberglas will not get the benefit of the doubt from me. Great player but exhibits poor sportmanship and he is a cheater!

  I agree wit yuh dat he have a rel a-hole personna in the game, but dat shouldn't change the legitimacy of an obvious call., ent?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on April 17, 2011, 11:36:32 AM
Listen, it is more entertaining listening to the Arsenull fans screaming shit at the Arsenal players when they f*ck on the field!  :devil:Pure entertainment! Oh yeah Arsenull draw-two dives = two penalties!  :devil:

Nah, yuh being a little harsh and unfair.  The Arsenal penalty was legit: he kick de man.  liverpool own, on the other hand......it kinda 50-50....it look like eboue shove de man....but yuh could see lucas was lookin' to embrace de ground, too. Oh well.....this game was really like watchin' paint dry on a wall.  It hard to tell which team was de paint and which one was de wall.
He is a cheater because the man take him down?
What dickism you talking bout? Fibreglass or not it is a legit penalty .... the only person deserving criticism has to be Ebouie ... having played a great game  he runs into the guy when all he had to do was usher the guy out seconds seconds ..... the referee called a fair game.

Anything involving Fiberglas will not get the benefit of the doubt from me. Great player but exhibits poor sportmanship and he is a cheater!

He is a cheater because the man take him down?
What dickism you talking bout? Fibreglass or not it is a legit penalty .... the only person deserving criticism has to be Ebouie ... having played a great game  he runs into the guy when all he had to do was usher the guy out seconds seconds ..... the referee called a fair game.
Poor sportsmanship my ass!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on April 17, 2011, 11:38:50 AM
Listen, it is more entertaining listening to the Arsenull fans screaming shit at the Arsenal players when they f*ck on the field!  :devil:Pure entertainment! Oh yeah Arsenull draw-two dives = two penalties!  :devil:

Nah, yuh being a little harsh and unfair.  The Arsenal penalty was legit: he kick de man.  liverpool own, on the other hand......it kinda 50-50....it look like eboue shove de man....but yuh could see lucas was lookin' to embrace de ground, too. Oh well.....this game was really like watchin' paint dry on a wall.  It hard to tell which team was de paint and which one was de wall.

Anything involving Fiberglas will not get the benefit of the doubt from me. Great player but exhibits poor sportmanship and he is a cheater!

  I agree wit yuh dat he have a rel a-hole personna in the game, but dat shouldn't change the legitimacy of an obvious call., ent?

Ent!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on April 17, 2011, 11:45:22 AM
Listen, it is more entertaining listening to the Arsenull fans screaming shit at the Arsenal players when they f*ck on the field!  :devil:Pure entertainment! Oh yeah Arsenull draw-two dives = two penalties!  :devil:

Nah, yuh being a little harsh and unfair.  The Arsenal penalty was legit: he kick de man.  liverpool own, on the other hand......it kinda 50-50....it look like eboue shove de man....but yuh could see lucas was lookin' to embrace de ground, too. Oh well.....this game was really like watchin' paint dry on a wall.  It hard to tell which team was de paint and which one was de wall.
He is a cheater because the man take him down?
What dickism you talking bout? Fibreglass or not it is a legit penalty .... the only person deserving criticism has to be Ebouie ... having played a great game  he runs into the guy when all he had to do was usher the guy out seconds seconds ..... the referee called a fair game.

Anything involving Fiberglas will not get the benefit of the doubt from me. Great player but exhibits poor sportmanship and he is a cheater!

He is a cheater because the man take him down?
What dickism you talking bout? Fibreglass or not it is a legit penalty .... the only person deserving criticism has to be Ebouie ... having played a great game  he runs into the guy when all he had to do was usher the guy out seconds seconds ..... the referee called a fair game.
Poor sportsmanship my ass!


As much as ah cyah stand eboue sometimes, yuh kinda hadda feel sorry fuh him too..I mean, his instinct would have hime following the diriction of that play to go for the ball and do just what you suggested, to ussher the man and box him in a corner....I just think that lucas done know and read dah play and was going down at the slightest bit of contact (or even none at all), but eboue really didn't help his own cause when he seemed to have shoved the man. Hard luck, arsenal. Ah done tell allyuh to invest in a cocoyea broom and a glass ah water fuh allyuh trophy room...allyuh eh want to listen!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on April 17, 2011, 11:53:38 AM
Listen, it is more entertaining listening to the Arsenull fans screaming shit at the Arsenal players when they f*ck on the field!  :devil:Pure entertainment! Oh yeah Arsenull draw-two dives = two penalties!  :devil:

Nah, yuh being a little harsh and unfair.  The Arsenal penalty was legit: he kick de man.  liverpool own, on the other hand......it kinda 50-50....it look like eboue shove de man....but yuh could see lucas was lookin' to embrace de ground, too. Oh well.....this game was really like watchin' paint dry on a wall.  It hard to tell which team was de paint and which one was de wall.
He is a cheater because the man take him down?
What dickism you talking bout? Fibreglass or not it is a legit penalty .... the only person deserving criticism has to be Ebouie ... having played a great game  he runs into the guy when all he had to do was usher the guy out seconds seconds ..... the referee called a fair game.

Anything involving Fiberglas will not get the benefit of the doubt from me. Great player but exhibits poor sportmanship and he is a cheater!

He is a cheater because the man take him down?
What dickism you talking bout? Fibreglass or not it is a legit penalty .... the only person deserving criticism has to be Ebouie ... having played a great game  he runs into the guy when all he had to do was usher the guy out seconds seconds ..... the referee called a fair game.
Poor sportsmanship my ass!


No sweetie that is not why he is a cheater-but he has a history of embellishing the slightest of contact in an effort to win calls. Which is why I said I have no problem not giving him the benefit of the doubt when it comes to him getting a call..
And yes United have players who have done the same and they don't get calls as a result.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on April 17, 2011, 11:54:19 AM
 :whistling: :whistling: :whistling: :whistling: :whistling:

lol

certain men missing yes......they probably gone to an AA meeting.....Arsenal anonymous....  :rotfl: :rotfl:

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on April 17, 2011, 11:58:57 AM
:whistling: :whistling: :whistling: :whistling: :whistling:

lol

certain men missing yes......they probably gone to an AA meeting.....Arsenal anonymous....  :rotfl: :rotfl:



 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl Let the people mourn in peace nah!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on April 17, 2011, 01:24:36 PM
Listen, it is more entertaining listening to the Arsenull fans screaming shit at the Arsenal players when they f*ck on the field!  :devil:Pure entertainment! Oh yeah Arsenull draw-two dives = two penalties!  :devil:

Nah, yuh being a little harsh and unfair.  The Arsenal penalty was legit: he kick de man.  liverpool own, on the other hand......it kinda 50-50....it look like eboue shove de man....but yuh could see lucas was lookin' to embrace de ground, too. Oh well.....this game was really like watchin' paint dry on a wall.  It hard to tell which team was de paint and which one was de wall.
He is a cheater because the man take him down?
What dickism you talking bout? Fibreglass or not it is a legit penalty .... the only person deserving criticism has to be Ebouie ... having played a great game  he runs into the guy when all he had to do was usher the guy out seconds seconds ..... the referee called a fair game.

Anything involving Fiberglas will not get the benefit of the doubt from me. Great player but exhibits poor sportmanship and he is a cheater!

He is a cheater because the man take him down?
What dickism you talking bout? Fibreglass or not it is a legit penalty .... the only person deserving criticism has to be Ebouie ... having played a great game  he runs into the guy when all he had to do was usher the guy out seconds seconds ..... the referee called a fair game.
Poor sportsmanship my ass!


No sweetie that is not why he is a cheater-but he has a history of embellishing the slightest of contact in an effort to win calls. Which is why I said I have no problem not giving him the benefit of the doubt when it comes to him getting a call..
And yes United have players who have done the same and they don't get calls as a result.

Chunkalunks .. I wasn't even going to call United players name in that to be honest.. this aint tit for tat .... because realistically I can't name one player who doesn't embellish except when I really think about it ... I never really see Messi dive.
I hate players like that .... Robinho at the top of the list but Fibreglass doesn't do it anymore than any other player ... jes say yuh doh like him and call it george!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on April 17, 2011, 01:36:10 PM
Listen, it is more entertaining listening to the Arsenull fans screaming shit at the Arsenal players when they f*ck on the field!  :devil:Pure entertainment! Oh yeah Arsenull draw-two dives = two penalties!  :devil:

Nah, yuh being a little harsh and unfair.  The Arsenal penalty was legit: he kick de man.  liverpool own, on the other hand......it kinda 50-50....it look like eboue shove de man....but yuh could see lucas was lookin' to embrace de ground, too. Oh well.....this game was really like watchin' paint dry on a wall.  It hard to tell which team was de paint and which one was de wall.
He is a cheater because the man take him down?
What dickism you talking bout? Fibreglass or not it is a legit penalty .... the only person deserving criticism has to be Ebouie ... having played a great game  he runs into the guy when all he had to do was usher the guy out seconds seconds ..... the referee called a fair game.

Anything involving Fiberglas will not get the benefit of the doubt from me. Great player but exhibits poor sportmanship and he is a cheater!

He is a cheater because the man take him down?
What dickism you talking bout? Fibreglass or not it is a legit penalty .... the only person deserving criticism has to be Ebouie ... having played a great game  he runs into the guy when all he had to do was usher the guy out seconds seconds ..... the referee called a fair game.
Poor sportsmanship my ass!


No sweetie that is not why he is a cheater-but he has a history of embellishing the slightest of contact in an effort to win calls. Which is why I said I have no problem not giving him the benefit of the doubt when it comes to him getting a call..
And yes United have players who have done the same and they don't get calls as a result.

Chunkalunks .. I wasn't even going to call United players name in that to be honest.. this aint tit for tat .... because realistically I can't name one player who doesn't embellish except when I really think about it ... I never really see Messi dive.
I hate players like that .... Robinho at the top of the list but Fibreglass doesn't do it anymore than any other player ... jes say yuh doh like him and call it george!

 ;D  I don't like Cesc but that is no secret, I do however respect and like his abilities as a footballer.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on April 17, 2011, 01:48:31 PM
He is a cheater because the man take him down?
What dickism you talking bout? Fibreglass or not it is a legit penalty .... the only person deserving criticism has to be Ebouie ... having played a great game  he runs into the guy when all he had to do was usher the guy out seconds seconds ..... the referee called a fair game.
Poor sportsmanship my ass!


I was upset when I see the ref point to the spot because Fabregas was clearly playing for the penalty... he shielded the ball enough inviting contact and Spearing in a moment of madness, obliged him.  It marred what was otherwise a brilliant game in defensive mid for him.  The penalty was soft, but by rule it was the right call... Spearing eh argue and I couldn't argue.  I was more upset that all the defensive work we put in seemed to be for nought.

Arsenal got lucky on the free kick because Lucas had his left foot on the line marking the 6-yard box when Song bowled him over.  It would have been harsh, but the right call had the ref pointed to the spot.  From his perspective he didn't think Lucas was in the box.  Same way Liverpool get lucking on the very first corner Arsenal take when Skrtel had a handful of Koszielny shirt from kick to whistle and clearly impeded him from going up for the cross.  I woulda been mad but not at the ref had a penalty been given.  Speaking objectively I wish they'd give a penalty on all that holding and jostling every time.

On the Liverpool penalty, everything that was said about the Fabregas penalty above applies... Lucas was hopeful for a call and Eboue in a moment of madness obliged him.  Anybody complaining about that call can't be serious.  It was soft but legitimate... Eboue end up falling over onto Lucas... and Lucas ent pull him down.  Not only was there a shove in the back (same call the linesman gave against Carroll on Koszielny early in the game), but his momentum took him over and onto Lucas.  The ref was wrong to give Skrtel a yellow for the challenge on Eboue in the first half, that one he just got wrong, with help from the linesman.  Aside from that, as you said, he called a fair game.

Chunkalunks .. I wasn't even going to call United players name in that to be honest.. this aint tit for tat .... because realistically I can't name one player who doesn't embellish except when I really think about it ... I never really see Messi dive.
I hate players like that .... Robinho at the top of the list but Fibreglass doesn't do it anymore than any other player ... jes say yuh doh like him and call it george!

This I also have to agree with you on... I doh like Messi, just not a fan.  I've seen him embellish (like yesterday he stumble into Xabi backside and fall down holding he head like is ah elbow he ketch), but that said, he's the one man who constantly makes an effort to stay on his feet when he has every reasong to go to ground.  That I will give him his props for.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on April 17, 2011, 02:57:10 PM
Tough draw. 2 soft but legit penalties. Cable cut out just before the Pool free kick but now see the replay. Eboue need a hard slap. I hope van Persie blow him out like he did Diaby last week. Why Wenger insist on playing Bendtner on the wing I doh know. And where is the forward running from midfield? Now have to hear more illiterate bullsh*t about "mental strength" from the Arsenal haters and so called football experts.

Pisses me off to see Gooners in the stands booing at the end of a disappointing game. We don't need those kind of fans. Arsenal supporters are  supposed to have class. Go and support United or Barca with all the other bandwagonists.

You up against it now Arsenal. Hope for some luck and stop playing the fool.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Peong on April 17, 2011, 02:59:40 PM
Today Arsenal were very guilty of trying to walk it into the goal.
That was frustrating to watch.  Shoot de damn ball!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on April 17, 2011, 03:22:01 PM
Today Arsenal were very guilty of trying to walk it into the goal.
That was frustrating to watch.  Shoot de damn ball!
Agreed. Wenger like he forget the plan B they had at the start of 2011.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on April 17, 2011, 04:46:00 PM
a day like today is just to zone out oui...thank god for nba playoffs.  i refuse to let arsenal send my pressure up. 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 17, 2011, 05:01:27 PM
a day like today is just to zone out oui...thank god for nba playoffs.  i refuse to let arsenal send my pressure up. 
It had a game today? Lol
I hear you I not letting this or any football affect my mood too much more important things worry about in life
Haven't watched game but recorded it from all accounts will have to fast forward toll the 90th min

Never giving up on this side but they are turning into professional chokers

The fans booing is understandable but not acceptable

Understandable because the performances they see infront of them doesn't match the rhetoric read on the website from the players and manager
Too many times the fans have seen lackluster performances or deer in headlights when they need to be ruthless killers thirsty for success

And when we read from wenger he would sign up for twenty years of second place I want to vomit
No wonder the players deliver what he preaches
Wenger I think is desperately clinging to a philosphy that needs to be kept but needs some evolutionary tweaking
As for booing it is sad and shouldn't happen but what do the fans have left to show the board the manager and the players that they just aren't listening or doing anything differently?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 17, 2011, 05:10:49 PM
this isn't sour grapes because I have raised this point before but why does FIFA leave time keeping to the reff and 4th official???

Too much room for error and space for accusations of cheating or favoritism

It should be like in basketball the reff only blows a whistle for action on the field period

Refs catch their ass to see everything as the game goes on farless what time it is how much to add etc

Why won't FIFA do they things that will increase integrity to the game?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on April 17, 2011, 05:48:49 PM
this isn't sour grapes because I have raised this point before but why does FIFA leave time keeping to the reff and 4th official???

Too much room for error and space for accusations of cheating or favoritism

It should be like in basketball the reff only blows a whistle for action on the field period

Refs catch their ass to see everything as the game goes on farless what time it is how much to add etc

Why won't FIFA do they things that will increase integrity to the game?

What exactly are you complaining about?  There were two very long delays caused by injuries to both Carroll and Carragher.  I was actually surprised there wasn't more time added.  Then on top of that you had two more delays in added time... one for Arsenal's penalty and then for the Suarez free kick.  Time keeping definitely wasn't a factor in this game.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on April 17, 2011, 06:36:05 PM
If people are so dissatisfied and angered with the performances and how the club is run then they should stop going to games. End of story. Booing the team is the same as supporting the opposition. Let those people piss off to Spuds or Manure.

a day like today is just to zone out oui...thank god for nba playoffs.  i refuse to let arsenal send my pressure up. 
It had a game today? Lol
I hear you I not letting this or any football affect my mood too much more important things worry about in life
Haven't watched game but recorded it from all accounts will have to fast forward toll the 90th min

Never giving up on this side but they are turning into professional chokers

The fans booing is understandable but not acceptable

Understandable because the performances they see infront of them doesn't match the rhetoric read on the website from the players and manager
Too many times the fans have seen lackluster performances or deer in headlights when they need to be ruthless killers thirsty for success

And when we read from wenger he would sign up for twenty years of second place I want to vomit
No wonder the players deliver what he preaches
Wenger I think is desperately clinging to a philosphy that needs to be kept but needs some evolutionary tweaking
As for booing it is sad and shouldn't happen but what do the fans have left to show the board the manager and the players that they just aren't listening or doing anything differently?

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 17, 2011, 07:43:05 PM
this isn't sour grapes because I have raised this point before but why does FIFA leave time keeping to the reff and 4th official???

Too much room for error and space for accusations of cheating or favoritism

It should be like in basketball the reff only blows a whistle for action on the field period

Refs catch their ass to see everything as the game goes on farless what time it is how much to add etc

Why won't FIFA do they things that will increase integrity to the game?

What exactly are you complaining about?  There were two very long delays caused by injuries to both Carroll and Carragher.  I was actually surprised there wasn't more time added.  Then on top of that you had two more delays in added time... one for Arsenal's penalty and then for the Suarez free kick.  Time keeping definitely wasn't a factor in this game.

sigh  ::)

complaining about timekeeping in general for football games.

this will avoid stupid discussions about how much time should or shouldn't be added etc

take away the timekeeping responsibility of the ref let him focus on the game not a stop watch
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on April 17, 2011, 08:06:50 PM
It can't be too difficult to link the ref's watch with a game clock of some kind. They have radios after all.
this isn't sour grapes because I have raised this point before but why does FIFA leave time keeping to the reff and 4th official???

Too much room for error and space for accusations of cheating or favoritism

It should be like in basketball the reff only blows a whistle for action on the field period

Refs catch their ass to see everything as the game goes on farless what time it is how much to add etc

Why won't FIFA do they things that will increase integrity to the game?

What exactly are you complaining about?  There were two very long delays caused by injuries to both Carroll and Carragher.  I was actually surprised there wasn't more time added.  Then on top of that you had two more delays in added time... one for Arsenal's penalty and then for the Suarez free kick.  Time keeping definitely wasn't a factor in this game.

sigh  ::)

complaining about timekeeping in general for football games.

this will avoid stupid discussions about how much time should or shouldn't be added etc

take away the timekeeping responsibility of the ref let him focus on the game not a stop watch
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on April 17, 2011, 08:28:02 PM
Couple things I observe about the game today ....
As much as Ebouie piss meh off today I liked his game and I cant fault his effort!
Fabregas head was not in the game .... his game was off disappointingly so.
Van Persie game was off but he never stop trying big ups to him.
The defence look solid!
Heard some fans going after the team but the truth is some of the things I heard I couldn't argue with such as
We dominated possession and yet we wouldn't f**king shoot and I heard fans screaming for them to shoot.
I observed this in this game today and in the last game where Chelsea played Manu .
Most of the premier league teams don't have a winger who can get to the byline to either drill one across or cut it back and that limits the width of the game .... its a natural limitation of your team... tottenham have that kind of balance  man u to an extent but Chelsea doesn't have it there's a big difference trying to hit a Beckham like cross and getting to the byline it makes defending the play fairly predictable if you have strong headers of the ball!
The only person who can cross like Beckham from that area is Beckham people doh understand just how special a player he is to hit those kind of crosses he had ... I've never seen anyone hit those so consistently accurate.
When Walcott comes off we lose width and every one starts to cut in causing congestion and closing up space. Wenger has too many of the similar type players in the wrong positions.
Also there's a certain type of ball Walcott feeds on .... he's not a natural winger if you give him to his feet it doesn't guarantee a cross you gotta play him into the space to run onto and Cesc wasn't doing that ... one of the reasons I knew his game was off

All Manchester united teams one way or the other is based on wingplay .. giggs, kanchelskis, lee sharpe, beckham ..... people always want people to go out and buy  but you need to buy what is needed Arsenal needs width ... balance!
I guess my disappointment with the team is that I know they're so close but def need some pieces added to the puzzle.
We def need to adopt a shoot on site policy.
Eden Hazard ... I dunno he look another arshavin type player ... I not looking for a dancer I need a beat  get to the byline cut it back no bullshit kinda winger.... mentally I didnt see initiative by the senior players except Van P and  Nasri.
Playing bendtner on the wing is a mistake   .... def need to be some changes in the summer ... it's not over but we have to beat ManU and hope somebody else beat them or get maybe two draws .. it'll be very tough.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: JDB on April 18, 2011, 05:24:19 AM
Couple things I observe about the game today ....
As much as Ebouie piss meh off today I liked his game and I cant fault his effort!
Fabregas head was not in the game .... his game was off disappointingly so.
Van Persie game was off but he never stop trying big ups to him.
The defence look solid!
Heard some fans going after the team but the truth is some of the things I heard I couldn't argue with such as
We dominated possession and yet we wouldn't f**king shoot and I heard fans screaming for them to shoot.
I observed this in this game today and in the last game where Chelsea played Manu .
Most of the premier league teams don't have a winger who can get to the byline to either drill one across or cut it back and that limits the width of the game .... its a natural limitation of your team... tottenham have that kind of balance  man u to an extent but Chelsea doesn't have it there's a big difference trying to hit a Beckham like cross and getting to the byline it makes defending the play fairly predictable if you have strong headers of the ball!
The only person who can cross like Beckham from that area is Beckham people doh understand just how special a player he is to hit those kind of crosses he had ... I've never seen anyone hit those so consistently accurate.
When Walcott comes off we lose width and every one starts to cut in causing congestion and closing up space. Wenger has too many of the similar type players in the wrong positions.
Also there's a certain type of ball Walcott feeds on .... he's not a natural winger if you give him to his feet it doesn't guarantee a cross you gotta play him into the space to run onto and Cesc wasn't doing that ... one of the reasons I knew his game was off

All Manchester united teams one way or the other is based on wingplay .. giggs, kanchelskis, lee sharpe, beckham ..... people always want people to go out and buy  but you need to buy what is needed Arsenal needs width ... balance!
I guess my disappointment with the team is that I know they're so close but def need some pieces added to the puzzle.
We def need to adopt a shoot on site policy.
Eden Hazard ... I dunno he look another arshavin type player ... I not looking for a dancer I need a beat  get to the byline cut it back no bullshit kinda winger.... mentally I didnt see initiative by the senior players except Van P and  Nasri.
Playing bendtner on the wing is a mistake   .... def need to be some changes in the summer ... it's not over but we have to beat ManU and hope somebody else beat them or get maybe two draws .. it'll be very tough.


Couldn’t agree with yuh more Ngozi. Is something I saying about Wenger long time. He has never gone for a winger who does mash line like Ferguson. I think managers have player types that they love and Wenger just loves the classic playmaking midfielder a la Platini

I also think he get spoil by Pires and Ljungberg. He would play them as wide men but they would rarely loop a ball over from the touchline. But they were deadly though, scoring 10-20 goals a season and stretching teams by giving the team an outlet pass on every play before they eventually cut back in to: slide a pass inside the box, outside to the full-back or to hit a bullet. Even Overmars wasn’t a big crosser from wide.

But these current players can’t do that and Wenger buying the same player over and over Hleb, Rosicky, Arshavin and Nasri is the same player, a playmaker. All would be better off playing where Fabregas playing than on the wing. Of the lot Nasri is the most promising because he is the fastest and could dribble so he could kill teams out wide but it is not his best position. Is the same thing with Modric and Krancjar when Redknapp decides to play them wide they will do a decent job because they that good but that is not the best way to use them.

Walcott different because he has the most pace but as a17 year-old he coulda been moled into any type of player and he is becoming more of a Ljungberg that a player who would whip the ball over.

As for Ferguson he had a slavish adherence to a 4-4-2 with wingers mashing line that wasn’t working for a long time because he didn’t have the players. Before he find the Sharpe/Giggs/Kanchelskis combo he had Danny Wallace struggling on the left and Clayton Blackmore, a utility player (imagine John O’Shea with a better first touch) holding it down on the right. And the team was utterly unsucessful until he get the players to fit the system.

Wenger need to find the players to fit his system because bringing on Bendtner to play in Walcott position makes no sense.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on April 18, 2011, 06:41:36 AM
Arguing about time for me is the least of football worries. Most like it when their teams are behind, when they winning they eh like it.

Stunner have a point it is not hard to rectify, clearly they don't want it done

Arsenal scored in the 96min and if the ref ran longer than 8min then Arsenal also had the same added time to add to the score line.
The fact is Arsenal panic caused the outcome.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: JDB on April 18, 2011, 07:17:12 AM
Arguing about time for me is the least of football worries. Most like it when their teams are behind, when they winning they eh like it.

Stunner have a point it is not hard to rectify, clearly they don't want it done

Arsenal scored in the 96min and if the ref ran longer than 8min then Arsenal also had the same added time to add to the score line.
The fact is Arsenal panic caused the outcome.

a breakdown on how the time went from The Sun via The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/apr/18/five-things-learned-premier-league).

If he's seen the game again, or read this morning's Sun, he should know by now. The tabloid examines the period in forensic detail: one minute and three seconds elapsed between Liverpool conceding the penalty and Arsenal scoring it, and Van Persie's celebration – for which he was booked – lasted a further 46 seconds.

Clearly, though, Dirk Kuyt was expecting the worst when he launched an optimistic shot direct from the subsequent kick-off. But those delays gave Liverpool enough time to win a free-kick on the edge of Arsenal's penalty area, which was awarded after 8mins 45sec of stoppage time. Mainly because of the time Arsenal took to retreat 10 yards, it took a full two minutes before Luis Suárez took his shot. Five seconds after that Lucas Leiva tumbled under Emmanuel Eboué's challenge and another penalty was awarded. In all, The Sun calculated that just 4mins 49secs of actual football was played between the end of the 90th minute and the final whistle.

According to Fifa's Law 7, which covers the duration of a match, "the announcement of the additional time does not indicate the exact amount of time left in the match. The time may be increased if the referee considers it appropriate but never reduced."


It's understandable if Wenger is flabbergasted that his side found yet another novel way of not winning a match, but this is one whinge too many.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kicker on April 18, 2011, 07:31:30 AM
No matter how much time was put on the clock, Eboue had no excuse for bundling over a player who was running away from goal and posed no threat what so ever....
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: elan on April 18, 2011, 07:45:38 AM
In football today I have realized that if you don't go to the ground you don't get the call.  :-\
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on April 18, 2011, 10:35:17 AM
Agreed. Sad to see an experienced player making such a stupid mistake. Problem is, Arsenal should have been leading that game at half time but the attack is misfiring badly. Defensively the team has been very solid, but the cutting edge just isn't there. They increasingly face deep, well organised  defences and are missing the extra edge. If you look at Arsenal's games in the early part of the season, where are Nasri's quick one-twos on the edge of the box? Where are Song's late runs from deep? Where are Walcott's dashes into the opposition's left hand channel? This is how Arsenal was able to crack open deep defences at the turn of the year and now it looks as if they have forgotten how.

No matter how much time was put on the clock, Eboue had no excuse for bundling over a player who was running away from goal and posed no threat what so ever....

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: TRUwarrior on April 18, 2011, 11:02:10 AM
Agreed. Sad to see an experienced player making such a stupid mistake. Problem is, Arsenal should have been leading that game at half time but the attack is misfiring badly. Defensively the team has been very solid, but the cutting edge just isn't there. They increasingly face deep, well organised  defences and are missing the extra edge. If you look at Arsenal's games in the early part of the season, where are Nasri's quick one-twos on the edge of the box? Where are Song's late runs from deep? Where are Walcott's dashes into the opposition's left hand channel? This is how Arsenal was able to crack open deep defences at the turn of the year and now it looks as if they have forgotten how.

No matter how much time was put on the clock, Eboue had no excuse for bundling over a player who was running away from goal and posed no threat what so ever....

we will see dem plays from Aug - Jan in the 2011-2012 season...this team not ready mentally...and as for yuh coach...he should fall on he sword...he has no pressure to win...p.s. thanks for the title  :devil: :devil: :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on April 18, 2011, 11:12:19 AM
We'll see. Arsenal have made it very tough for themsselves but a true fan doesn't give up on his side till it over. We need some favours though, so will be looking for Chelsea and others to help us out. Until then.

I don't see how failure to use proven tactics is a weakness of mentality though. That "mental strength" rubbish is just to sell papers and make it look like football commentators know what they talking about when in fact most of them don't. If you need someone to "motivate" or "inspire" you then you shouldn't be there.

Agreed. Sad to see an experienced player making such a stupid mistake. Problem is, Arsenal should have been leading that game at half time but the attack is misfiring badly. Defensively the team has been very solid, but the cutting edge just isn't there. They increasingly face deep, well organised  defences and are missing the extra edge. If you look at Arsenal's games in the early part of the season, where are Nasri's quick one-twos on the edge of the box? Where are Song's late runs from deep? Where are Walcott's dashes into the opposition's left hand channel? This is how Arsenal was able to crack open deep defences at the turn of the year and now it looks as if they have forgotten how.

No matter how much time was put on the clock, Eboue had no excuse for bundling over a player who was running away from goal and posed no threat what so ever....

we will see dem plays from Aug - Jan in the 2011-2012 season...this team not ready mentally...and as for yuh coach...he should fall on he sword...he has no pressure to win...p.s. thanks for the title  :devil: :devil: :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on April 18, 2011, 05:15:29 PM
...after just watching the replay again, men really being hard on eboue for nutting.  Lucas outsmart everybody.  The two players turned to go after the ball taking slightly separate paths towards it....Lucas then ran into eboue (almost takin' a step backward and all) and initiated the contact.....and dove on the ground. Again, hard luck arsenal. 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on April 18, 2011, 05:30:33 PM
...after just watching the replay again, men really being hard on eboue for nutting.  Lucas outsmart everybody.  The two players turned to go after the ball taking slightly separate paths towards it....Lucas then ran into eboue (almost takin' a step backward and all) and initiated the contact.....and dove on the ground. Again, hard luck arsenal. 

Agreed.  He then reached up with his invisible third hand and pulled Eboue onto him as he lay on the ground.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on April 18, 2011, 05:38:54 PM
Maybe so, it would be easier to take, but Eboue shoulda know better than to get so tight to him. Not like de man is a babe in de woods. He start in a Champions League final defending against Ronaldinho for God's sake! He still do tootoo!

...after just watching the replay again, men really being hard on eboue for nutting.  Lucas outsmart everybody.  The two players turned to go after the ball taking slightly separate paths towards it....Lucas then ran into eboue (almost takin' a step backward and all) and initiated the contact.....and dove on the ground. Again, hard luck arsenal. 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on April 18, 2011, 05:41:34 PM
...after just watching the replay again, men really being hard on eboue for nutting.  Lucas outsmart everybody.  The two players turned to go after the ball taking slightly separate paths towards it....Lucas then ran into eboue (almost takin' a step backward and all) and initiated the contact.....and dove on the ground. Again, hard luck arsenal. 

I saw that in the replay. When Lucas saw Eboue attacking the ball his first step was actually into Eboue's path and Lucas stopped suddenly. The contact was minimal, in short he conned the referee.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on April 18, 2011, 05:48:27 PM
...after just watching the replay again, men really being hard on eboue for nutting.  Lucas outsmart everybody.  The two players turned to go after the ball taking slightly separate paths towards it....Lucas then ran into eboue (almost takin' a step backward and all) and initiated the contact.....and dove on the ground. Again, hard luck arsenal. 

I saw that in the replay. When Lucas saw Eboue attacking the ball his first step was actually into Eboue's path and Lucas stopped suddenly. The contact was minimal, in short he conned the referee.

"I saw that in the replay.  When Fabregas realized he had Spearing on his back his first step was actually to the right, into Spearing's path and Fabregas left is right leg there inviting contact.  The contact was minimal but Fabregas did a full pirouette into the ground.  In short he conned the referee into thinking there was more contact than there actually was."


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btw, ah just finish de book... boss read!!  :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on April 18, 2011, 06:05:50 PM
...after just watching the replay again, men really being hard on eboue for nutting.  Lucas outsmart everybody.  The two players turned to go after the ball taking slightly separate paths towards it....Lucas then ran into eboue (almost takin' a step backward and all) and initiated the contact.....and dove on the ground. Again, hard luck arsenal. 

I saw that in the replay. When Lucas saw Eboue attacking the ball his first step was actually into Eboue's path and Lucas stopped suddenly. The contact was minimal, in short he conned the referee.

"I saw that in the replay.  When Fabregas realized he had Spearing on his back his first step was actually to the right, into Spearing's path and Fabregas left is right leg there inviting contact.  The contact was minimal but Fabregas did a full pirouette into the ground.  In short he conned the referee into thinking there was more contact than there actually was."


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btw, ah just finish de book... boss read!!  :beermug:

yep! As Vialli said in his "Italian job" It is the job of the referee to make the correct decision, the defender is a fool for being conned. :D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on April 18, 2011, 06:16:27 PM
Maybe so, it would be easier to take, but Eboue shoulda know better than to get so tight to him. Not like de man is a babe in de woods. He start in a Champions League final defending against Ronaldinho for God's sake! He still do tootoo!

...after just watching the replay again, men really being hard on eboue for nutting.  Lucas outsmart everybody.  The two players turned to go after the ball taking slightly separate paths towards it....Lucas then ran into eboue (almost takin' a step backward and all) and initiated the contact.....and dove on the ground. Again, hard luck arsenal. 

Eboue only end up tight on him because Lucas is the one that ran into eboue, Jed.  Initially he wasn't as tight on him as it seems.   The game is being replayed in its entirety on FSC right now...you could look and see fuh yuh self in about an hour and 40 mins.....and also, unlike as king jackass is saying, fabregas didn't position himself to initiate contact.  he had to slow himself down to wait for the ball and the fool from liverpool kicked him.  That was a clear penalty.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on April 18, 2011, 07:54:50 PM
Fergie time was in play in honor of him being at the match! ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on April 18, 2011, 08:59:28 PM
I watch the Ebouie tackle again .. stupidity to the tenth power!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kicker on April 19, 2011, 09:24:29 AM
...after just watching the replay again, men really being hard on eboue for nutting.  Lucas outsmart everybody.  The two players turned to go after the ball taking slightly separate paths towards it....Lucas then ran into eboue (almost takin' a step backward and all) and initiated the contact.....and dove on the ground. Again, hard luck arsenal. 

Lucas bought the contact but Eboue was a little too eager. 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on April 19, 2011, 02:40:15 PM
I doh know why United keep teasing allyuh so...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 19, 2011, 03:12:19 PM
Maybe so, it would be easier to take, but Eboue shoulda know better than to get so tight to him. Not like de man is a babe in de woods. He start in a Champions League final defending against Ronaldinho for God's sake! He still do tootoo!

...after just watching the replay again, men really being hard on eboue for nutting.  Lucas outsmart everybody.  The two players turned to go after the ball taking slightly separate paths towards it....Lucas then ran into eboue (almost takin' a step backward and all) and initiated the contact.....and dove on the ground. Again, hard luck arsenal. 
Eboue only end up tight on him because Lucas is the one that ran into eboue, Jed.  Initially he wasn't as tight on him as it seems.   The game is being replayed in its entirety on FSC right now...you could look and see fuh yuh self in about an hour and 40 mins.....and also, unlike as king jackass is saying, fabregas didn't position himself to initiate contact.  he had to slow himself down to wait for the ball and the fool from liverpool kicked him.  That was a clear penalty.
over complicating it, look at it again i have an dcesc is turning between two defenders and was tripped when the one behind stuck his leg between cescs legs
cesc wasnt looking for a penalty but he got one
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 19, 2011, 03:13:59 PM
I doh know why United keep teasing allyuh so...
will se if they teasing after tomorrows game and the game after that and that and that and that .....

ppl saying key games are manu arsenal n chelsea manu but key games for arsenal is every last one then when the dust settles see where we stand amongst the rest
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dumpalewie on April 19, 2011, 03:58:59 PM
this isn't sour grapes because I have raised this point before but why does FIFA leave time keeping to the reff and 4th official???

Too much room for error and space for accusations of cheating or favoritism

It should be like in basketball the reff only blows a whistle for action on the field period

Refs catch their ass to see everything as the game goes on farless what time it is how much to add etc

Why won't FIFA do they things that will increase integrity to the game?

What exactly are you complaining about?  There were two very long delays caused by injuries to both Carroll and Carragher.  I was actually surprised there wasn't more time added.  Then on top of that you had two more delays in added time... one for Arsenal's penalty and then for the Suarez free kick.  Time keeping definitely wasn't a factor in this game.
I think he makes a good point. If they got rid of the running clock then everyone would know the final whistle comes a 90min period.

Secondly, they usually don't add time to the added time.  That they went to 12min added time is ridiculous.

That said, Arsenal are their own worst enemy led by Arsene Wenger. I have always been a supporter of his but clearly he is unable to inspire this team to the title.

I sincerely hope to eat those words.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on April 19, 2011, 06:52:52 PM
...after just watching the replay again, men really being hard on eboue for nutting.  Lucas outsmart everybody.  The two players turned to go after the ball taking slightly separate paths towards it....Lucas then ran into eboue (almost takin' a step backward and all) and initiated the contact.....and dove on the ground. Again, hard luck arsenal. 

Lucas bought the contact but Eboue was a little too eager. 

  I eh know what he was supposed to do...he was going after a free ball near his 18-yard box to possibly gain or control possession to control the time clock.  Yuh cyah fault the man fuh dat.  That Lucas was the one who really committed the foul, well, the officials were supposed to see that for what it was and make the right call.

Maybe so, it would be easier to take, but Eboue shoulda know better than to get so tight to him. Not like de man is a babe in de woods. He start in a Champions League final defending against Ronaldinho for God's sake! He still do tootoo!

...after just watching the replay again, men really being hard on eboue for nutting.  Lucas outsmart everybody.  The two players turned to go after the ball taking slightly separate paths towards it....Lucas then ran into eboue (almost takin' a step backward and all) and initiated the contact.....and dove on the ground. Again, hard luck arsenal. 
Eboue only end up tight on him because Lucas is the one that ran into eboue, Jed.  Initially he wasn't as tight on him as it seems.   The game is being replayed in its entirety on FSC right now...you could look and see fuh yuh self in about an hour and 40 mins.....and also, unlike as king jackass is saying, fabregas didn't position himself to initiate contact.  he had to slow himself down to wait for the ball and the fool from liverpool kicked him.  That was a clear penalty.
over complicating it, look at it again i have an dcesc is turning between two defenders and was tripped when the one behind stuck his leg between cescs legs
cesc wasnt looking for a penalty but he got one

I ain't overcomplicating nutting.  De ball was trickling through fabregas legs and he was trying to straddle de ball and shield off all the defenders around him at the same time....and the liverpool player kick 'im.  What's so complicated about that?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on April 19, 2011, 08:49:59 PM
I think he makes a good point. If they got rid of the running clock then everyone would know the final whistle comes a 90min period.

Secondly, they usually don't add time to the added time.  That they went to 12min added time is ridiculous.

That said, Arsenal are their own worst enemy led by Arsene Wenger. I have always been a supporter of his but clearly he is unable to inspire this team to the title.

I sincerely hope to eat those words.

That's nonsense... it has happened time and time again.  There's a reason why they say "there will be a MINIMUM of __________ minutes of added time".  That means that the ref at his sole discretion is free to add more time.  The fact that this announcement is made as a matter of routine means that there is the implicit recognition that added time on top of added time should reasonably be expected.

As for GunnerStunner making a "good" point.  Sure, in the grand scheme of things I'd love to see the actual time posted for all to see, and maybe have the ref signal for a timeout as in the NFL/NBA.  However, all this talk only arising in the context of a bitter draw which Arsenal snatched from the jaws of victory.  It's a veiled complaint... no matter how you parse it.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on April 19, 2011, 11:40:27 PM
I think he makes a good point. If they got rid of the running clock then everyone would know the final whistle comes a 90min period.

Secondly, they usually don't add time to the added time.  That they went to 12min added time is ridiculous.

That said, Arsenal are their own worst enemy led by Arsene Wenger. I have always been a supporter of his but clearly he is unable to inspire this team to the title.

I sincerely hope to eat those words.

That's nonsense... it has happened time and time again.  There's a reason why they say "there will be a MINIMUM of __________ minutes of added time".  That means that the ref at his sole discretion is free to add more time.  The fact that this announcement is made as a matter of routine means that there is the implicit recognition that added time on top of added time should reasonably be expected.

As for GunnerStunner making a "good" point.  Sure, in the grand scheme of things I'd love to see the actual time posted for all to see, and maybe have the ref signal for a timeout as in the NFL/NBA.  However, all this talk only arising in the context of a bitter draw which Arsenal snatched from the jaws of victory.  It's a veiled complaint... no matter how you parse it.
Breds, Stunner has made this same point before. That is how it has to be parsed. Why you so desperate for it to be a complaint?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on April 20, 2011, 05:41:34 AM

Breds, Stunner has made this same point before. That is how it has to be parsed. Why you so desperate for it to be a complaint?

I'm sorry, I missed it... what "same" point did he make?  His statement would carry a more convincing ring of sincerity if like Wenger, his reputation didn't precede him. Maybe you should let Stunner carry his own briefs... or are you so desperate to be his chamberlain, "Breds"? 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 20, 2011, 06:29:16 AM

Breds, Stunner has made this same point before. That is how it has to be parsed. Why you so desperate for it to be a complaint?

I'm sorry, I missed it... what "same" point did he make?  His statement would carry a more convincing ring of sincerity if like Wenger, his reputation didn't precede him. Maybe you should let Stunner carry his own briefs... or are you so desperate to be his chamberlain, "Breds"? 

i raised this point long before this game. i wont even use this game as an example why (results not included) refs need less to worry about and more to help them keep thier eyes on the game

all i am saying is take the clock away from the reff and th ebs of the 4th offical putting up minimum time
make it definite not an estimate

it real easy

easier than goal line technology

and other offical time keeper, starts clock when ref starts game, stops when he blows (does not include ball out of play only dead ball)
starts back when he does. it will make it way easier.

i play indoor football and the buzz clock is no arguing period

all i want to see is transparency integirty and accountability in the officiating of the game
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on April 20, 2011, 07:14:21 AM
I just prefer if people get the facts before they write ignorant uninformed nonsense. I'll hold off next time. Write away! Apologies for the"breds" if it offends you so much.


Breds, Stunner has made this same point before. That is how it has to be parsed. Why you so desperate for it to be a complaint?

I'm sorry, I missed it... what "same" point did he make?  His statement would carry a more convincing ring of sincerity if like Wenger, his reputation didn't precede him. Maybe you should let Stunner carry his own briefs... or are you so desperate to be his chamberlain, "Breds"? 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on April 20, 2011, 07:42:19 AM
Newcastle handed Arsenal another lifeline yesterday. Here's hoping they take this opportunity. Any recoveries from injury? We missing Wilshere's forward running and Sagna's crosses bad bad bad.

Time to fire some cannon down the Seven Sisters Road.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on April 20, 2011, 11:59:51 AM
i raised this point long before this game. i wont even use this game as an example why (results not included) refs need less to worry about and more to help them keep thier eyes on the game

all i am saying is take the clock away from the reff and th ebs of the 4th offical putting up minimum time
make it definite not an estimate

it real easy

easier than goal line technology

and other offical time keeper, starts clock when ref starts game, stops when he blows (does not include ball out of play only dead ball)
starts back when he does. it will make it way easier.

i play indoor football and the buzz clock is no arguing period

all i want to see is transparency integirty and accountability in the officiating of the game

I agree that it's easy, ref only have to raise/wave he hand to a timekeeper anytime he want to stop the clock.  But... remember FIFA's argument (whether you find it convincing or not) is that they want to keep the game simple that it can be played the same way on any level anywhere in the world.  One of the reasons why they've resisted adding officials on the endlines/behind the goal.  I could hear them making the same argument with regards to adding a timekeeper.

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dansteel... what you "prefer" carries as much import to me as what resides in the crack of a monkey's ass.  How about you heed your own advice next time?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on April 20, 2011, 12:28:32 PM
I'm sure you're quite familiar with the crack of a monkey's ass. It seems to encompass your ability to reason. Stay there in future. It suits you well.

i raised this point long before this game. i wont even use this game as an example why (results not included) refs need less to worry about and more to help them keep thier eyes on the game

all i am saying is take the clock away from the reff and th ebs of the 4th offical putting up minimum time
make it definite not an estimate

it real easy

easier than goal line technology

and other offical time keeper, starts clock when ref starts game, stops when he blows (does not include ball out of play only dead ball)
starts back when he does. it will make it way easier.

i play indoor football and the buzz clock is no arguing period

all i want to see is transparency integirty and accountability in the officiating of the game

I agree that it's easy, ref only have to raise/wave he hand to a timekeeper anytime he want to stop the clock.  But... remember FIFA's argument (whether you find it convincing or not) is that they want to keep the game simple that it can be played the same way on any level anywhere in the world.  One of the reasons why they've resisted adding officials on the endlines/behind the goal.  I could hear them making the same argument with regards to adding a timekeeper.

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dansteel... what you "prefer" carries as much import to me as what resides in the crack of a monkey's ass.  How about you heed your own advice next time?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on April 20, 2011, 12:37:36 PM
Stunner do you believe Arsenal looked more threatening when Nasri played behind the striker? I say this because Nasri was very mobile, penetrative, creative and was scoring. IMHO opinion it would be interesting to see Fabragas and Song in Mid, with Nasri behind VanP and Arshavin and Walcott wide.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kaliman2006 on April 20, 2011, 12:55:33 PM
Tottenham 1, Arsenal 1 after 7 minutes of football.

Arsenal keeper get near post like ah rell bottom.

Nice strike by Van de Vaart though.

And the Walcott goal wasn't bad either.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on April 20, 2011, 01:00:27 PM
You mean 2-1 Arsenal. Nasri in the 12th

I could watch a Spurs - Arsenal game every week.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kaliman2006 on April 20, 2011, 01:03:13 PM
You mean 2-1 Arsenal. Nasri in the 12th

I could watch a Spurs - Arsenal game every week.

Fuh real boss. I better stop posting until after the game.

This looking like ah high scoring encounter.

And there is el clasico to look forward to in half in hour.

There goes my productivity....
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on April 20, 2011, 01:31:06 PM
I'm sure you're quite familiar with the crack of a monkey's ass. It seems to encompass your ability to reason. Stay there in future. It suits you well.

There is much that you think you're "sure" about, despite stark evidence to the contrary.  Keep hanging your hopes on what things "seems" to be, or holding briefs for next man whichever suits your fancy.


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Moving on...

Cracker of a game... 3-2 Arsenal 44'


Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: JDB on April 20, 2011, 01:32:26 PM
You mean 2-1 Arsenal. Nasri in the 12th

I could watch a Spurs - Arsenal game every week.

Fuh real boss. I better stop posting until after the game.

This looking like ah high scoring encounter.

And there is el clasico to look forward to in half in hour.

There goes my productivity....

I listening to this on the radio and it sounding fantastic.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on April 20, 2011, 03:02:48 PM
The toughest draw of all. They gonna be talking about van Persie disallowed goal for ages. Hard luck. North London Derby is always a shootout. 6 Points back with 5 games to go.

Why do you not allow Arsenal to walk your dog?

Because they can't hold a lead.

Chelsea now 2nd on +34 GD. Arsenal on +32. Never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 20, 2011, 03:05:08 PM
Stunner do you believe Arsenal looked more threatening when Nasri played behind the striker? I say this because Nasri was very mobile, penetrative, creative and was scoring. IMHO opinion it would be interesting to see Fabragas and Song in Mid, with Nasri behind VanP and Arshavin and Walcott wide.

are you saying that because you feel cesc is moving on? in that case yes
he plays there for france quite well
we have too many simliar players across midfeild and front line
ah well
almost better to have song behind cesc n nasri behind the front 3

what we really miss is mid feild overlapping the forwards, use wingers n full backs not pinball the ball and hope to score we are best when we get behind a defense not try and slip through on the top of the box
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: College on April 20, 2011, 03:16:59 PM
Nice game gunners . best game I've seen in the EPL in years.... Go Spurs!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on April 20, 2011, 03:26:02 PM
Stunner do you believe Arsenal looked more threatening when Nasri played behind the striker? I say this because Nasri was very mobile, penetrative, creative and was scoring. IMHO opinion it would be interesting to see Fabragas and Song in Mid, with Nasri behind VanP and Arshavin and Walcott wide.

are you saying that because you feel cesc is moving on? in that case yes
he plays there for france quite well
we have too many simliar players across midfeild and front line
ah well
almost better to have song behind cesc n nasri behind the front 3

what we really miss is mid feild overlapping the forwards, use wingers n full backs not pinball the ball and hope to score we are best when we get behind a defense not try and slip through on the top of the box

Ok! Why I ask is because I think when Fabragas plays behind VanP he has to come deep and get the ball (as well as the wide players), because the two Central Mf players are not the best passers, and VanP get isolated, so the Gunners play slower. If he plays deeper he could give Nasri the ball higher up the park and also do the same to the wide players and VanP will be well supported quicker
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: College on April 20, 2011, 03:27:28 PM
Ah like the post mortem..
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Blue on April 20, 2011, 04:02:39 PM
Adebayor just won a trophy with Real Madrid  :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on April 20, 2011, 08:22:49 PM
I can see Van Persie being the lead goal scorer in the EPL; he is almost scoring two a match. It appears that Berba may get minimum playing time and or he has lost confidence so that can also lead to Persie catching and passing him. And Tevez is injured which will limit games he will play. 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on April 21, 2011, 06:24:21 AM
Actually is closer to one a match but yeah is possible. Think what he could achieve if he wasn't injured all the time.

I can see Van Persie being the lead goal scorer in the EPL; he is almost scoring two a match. It appears that Berba may get minimum playing time and or he has lost confidence so that can also lead to Persie catching and passing him. And Tevez is injured which will limit games he will play. 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kicker on April 21, 2011, 11:22:32 AM
Adebayor just won a trophy with Real Madrid  :beermug:

lol yuh wicked
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: D.H.W on April 21, 2011, 12:14:02 PM
Adebayor just won a trophy with Real Madrid  :beermug:

 :devil: lol
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 21, 2011, 01:56:03 PM
and the gun rolls on

up next Bolton

after he fa cup mauling from stoke i expect bolton to be all piss and vinegar this weekend

hopefully we can nail them to a cross tho
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 21, 2011, 01:59:02 PM
Actually is closer to one a match but yeah is possible. Think what he could achieve if he wasn't injured all the time.

I can see Van Persie being the lead goal scorer in the EPL; he is almost scoring two a match. It appears that Berba may get minimum playing time and or he has lost confidence so that can also lead to Persie catching and passing him. And Tevez is injured which will limit games he will play. 
rvp needs some milk horse placenta and myloplex this summer, but i think his bow legs are his superpowers

youtubed some rvp highlights and there were some nasty drags he hit fellas that yuh leg have to be bent to pull off
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 21, 2011, 02:24:12 PM
i not shopping already  but

ppl threw up all sorts of names for arsneal to buy last summer and in january

cary cahill and samba from blackburn were two

i think arsenal needs a tough spine for the epl and fa cup, stick with the kids for carling and a slick mobile middle for champs league

but we have limited funds so we have to shed the dead weight first to further fund key figures

so dead weight but no need to replace: almunia (or live life as a perpetual 4th string keeper till he resigns)

dead weights to replace: rosicky, denilson, diaby
rosicky is all down hill from now so on yer bike son, we need a real winger with pace and can cross esp from the left

denilson, has zero tracking back ability therefore is a liability, no need to buy cus frimpong can step in easily

diaby, adds strength calmness and areial midfeild ability but those are cancelled out by fruitless runs with the ball, blood rushes to the head, no end product for effort, consistently injured more than rvp. however need to replace someone of his physical stature but more consistent performance

our midfeild has too many simliar players, cesc, nasri, AA, ramsey, rosicky, wilshire
if cesc goes then nasri will fil that hole well, and backed up by wilshire who i hope continues to grow next season like he has this season (if the english fa dont run his ass ragged over summer)

i like walcott but he can be shut down by double teaming, therefore more need for a leftsided winger like him bentner is wasted and useless out there

other sellers, bendtner and thats it chamakh i hope finds his form otherwise our frowards are just walcott/nasri/AA rvp chakakh, the first 3 were really wingers that sometimes make up a 433

the back line i think is settling, with it being sagna JD LK/Tommy clichy

eboue is frustratingly loyal but over exuberance leads to costly mistakes a good utitlity player to keep on th ebench but just dont get him too excited, maybe some ritalin before a game will help

tricky part, change anything this summer and might still not see results next season, be it from making too many changes to not enough, to simply down to the fact that we changed things, because in reality we kinda cocked it up and weren't focused when we should have

but guess what

back in the early wenger days there were 5or6 players on the team who would have chewed you out, dressed you down and gave you the full vinnie jones/fergie treatment anytime anywhere you were cocking up

now we dont see that or if it does happen behind closed doors we certainly dont see a positive reaction

i dont want too much change at the club just a little bit, from top to bottom

just that lil bit extra we have been promised





Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Blue on April 21, 2011, 02:26:57 PM
Actually is closer to one a match but yeah is possible. Think what he could achieve if he wasn't injured all the time.

I can see Van Persie being the lead goal scorer in the EPL; he is almost scoring two a match. It appears that Berba may get minimum playing time and or he has lost confidence so that can also lead to Persie catching and passing him. And Tevez is injured which will limit games he will play. 
rvp needs some milk horse placenta and myloplex this summer, but i think his bow legs are his superpowers

youtubed some rvp highlights and there were some nasty drags he hit fellas that yuh leg have to be bent to pull off

I was sittin behind de goal when he hit 2 Inter defenders dis drag. Like any Trini who grew up watchin Intercol, seeing something like this live was a defining moment in my life...nastiest drag I ever see  :beermug:

http://www.youtube.com/v/NsbLjpAhiS0

Yall won the Emirates Cup that year, Arsene Wegner doesnt get enough credit  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: soccerman on April 21, 2011, 03:06:02 PM
I ain know Robin had all dat in him...I always knew him to be a prolific goalscorer but hitting man drag and ting, never knew him as that kinda player with flair.
Ryan as nasty as dat drag was, I've seen men hit fellas some drag on the line wid absolutely know where to go and still get past dem. It may have not resulted in a goals but in terms of a drag, nothing can beat one on the line...esp. if de defender end up on their back :notworthy:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Jay10 on April 21, 2011, 04:14:02 PM
I ain know Robin had all dat in him...I always knew him to be a prolific goalscorer but hitting man drag and ting, never knew him as that kinda player with flair.
Ryan as nasty as dat drag was, I've seen men hit fellas some drag on the line wid absolutely know where to go and still get past dem. It may have not resulted in a goals but in terms of a drag, nothing can beat one on the line...esp. if de defender end up on their back :notworthy:

Arnold Dwarkia :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 21, 2011, 07:40:29 PM
That isn't the only drag rvp did and scored
He pulled one off on the goal line
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on April 22, 2011, 09:05:39 AM
That isn't the only drag rvp did and scored
He pulled one off on the goal line


the man is a boss, it real unfortunate that he injury prone.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 23, 2011, 10:43:40 AM
Hope we buss all kinda holes in bolton net tomorrow
Need to qb and build up goal difference now
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on April 24, 2011, 09:43:45 AM
All jokes aside even as a United fan I am starting to feel sorry for Arsene Wenger. He looks like a tortoured soul on the touchline and he on the verge of a nervous break down. He also does not seem to be the type that is good at delegating responsibilities and some of the stuff he has experienced this season and continue to experience cannot be good for his health.Two words-Gerrard Houllier!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Daft Trini on April 24, 2011, 10:03:59 AM
All yuh ensuring the cabinet empty...  :rotfl:

Give Wenger some malox...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on April 24, 2011, 10:06:50 AM
Soft penalty-poorly taken penalty-right outcome.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Daft Trini on April 24, 2011, 10:10:56 AM
Nice goal :applause:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: D.H.W on April 24, 2011, 10:46:38 AM
tick tock !
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: D.H.W on April 24, 2011, 10:49:38 AM
crick crack  :heehee:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Daft Trini on April 24, 2011, 11:05:15 AM
 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

at least all yuh young and does play pretty football, year after year....
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 24, 2011, 11:41:23 AM
Choke again
When is see arsenal draw 10 games that's 20points dropped

Go figure

I have a feeling changes will be rung in summer

The rest of the season is a formality

Although we might slow down manu we don't deserve to win it

Up to manu n chelski to see who prevails if chelski win it will be an awesome story
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bakes on April 24, 2011, 11:47:51 AM
Arsenal problem is that they only have one killer on that team... Van Persie.  The rest of that squad is ah setta small goal and beach soccer players masquerading as footballers.  Arsene need to tweak he philosophy too... when man get in the box he need to encourage them to be clinical in front of goal... not pretty.  Nasri is a good player but today he flub three clear chances... back to back to back... the best being the first off the nice ball over the top by Van Persie... which he kick straight at Jaske-what he name.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Daft Trini on April 24, 2011, 11:59:47 AM
Aside from the taunting. All yuh could real throw away game, so many time I watching all yuh and all yuh have teams by de neck but fail to hit that decisive death blow.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 24, 2011, 12:09:28 PM
Yup

Added to that frustration is that of the fans going crazy and the club just ignoring them

Bad practice I say real bad, then when the fans only voice left is to boo the side which agoiodby happen but should tell them to pull their finger out they carry on same ole same ole

If there isn't key changes in summer expect the same next season

We lucky if we don't slip to 4th overall
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on April 24, 2011, 12:40:41 PM
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein




Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 24, 2011, 08:29:01 PM
Call it sour grapes but if JD foul was a penalty why wasn't Rio a penalty?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Peong on April 24, 2011, 08:31:07 PM
Arsenal is a waste of big ppl time.  No backbone at all.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 25, 2011, 09:35:25 AM
here's to arsenal putting a dent in manu run, but it will be to little to late, not even worth consolation.

proably would beinfit chelski more than us

ah well 4 games left that 12points for us to drop. might see us hit 5th and then all hell breaks loose

all wengers words this season would with ind sight be viewed as just a french goatmouth
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: DeSoWa on April 25, 2011, 09:55:37 AM
Call it sour grapes but if JD foul was a penalty why wasn't Rio a penalty?

When was the last time ManU conceded a penalty at home?

And no one is talking about the penalty shout that was denied on Walcott in the 1st half.

Still I know it's no excuse for the lost, but just pointing out the difference in treatment of both teams.

Big Up!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on April 25, 2011, 10:29:25 AM
Call it sour grapes but if JD foul was a penalty why wasn't Rio a penalty?

Why was the last time ManU conceded a penalty at home?

And no one is talking about the penalty shout that was denied on Walcott in the 1st half.

Still I know it's no excuse for the lost, but just pointing out the difference in treatment of both teams.

Big Up!

u have to qualify as a big team to get those calls breds..... know yuh damn role  :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Daft Trini on April 25, 2011, 10:47:15 AM
Call it sour grapes but if JD foul was a penalty why wasn't Rio a penalty?

Why was the last time ManU conceded a penalty at home?

And no one is talking about the penalty shout that was denied on Walcott in the 1st half.

Still I know it's no excuse for the lost, but just pointing out the difference in treatment of both teams.

Big Up!

u have to qualify as a big team to get those calls breds..... know yuh damn role  :devil:

*** PIMP SLAP***  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 25, 2011, 10:59:40 AM
Call it sour grapes but if JD foul was a penalty why wasn't Rio a penalty?

When was the last time ManU conceded a penalty at home?

And no one is talking about the penalty shout that was denied on Walcott in the 1st half.

Still I know it's no excuse for the lost, but just pointing out the difference in treatment of both teams.

Big Up!

Nah i say its more a problem of inconsistent refs allowing conspiracy therories to propagate freely
teams will just have to suffer the fortunes or misfortunes as they roll too bad the fortunes tend to roll towards the manchester part of england lol
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 25, 2011, 11:09:37 AM
anyway manu coming to town on sunday

mayday mayday!

can they seal the title at emirates?

will arsenal pull a rabbit out of thier hat and win at home this year?

can they spoil manu's party and give chelsea a gift they will use unlike the half a dozen arsenal got but failed to open?

see you all on sunday afternoon
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on April 25, 2011, 04:02:40 PM
Dis team look like it already give up. No forward running, Nasri finishing poor, even Sagna not tracking back and he was the best right back in the league all year, forward and backward. Arshavin continues to prove he need selling. Clichy is poor attacking and defending. Every time it looked dangerous yesterday was from overlapping fullbacks or runners from midfield. Clichy doh overlap and the midfielders hardly running. They forget what made them so fearsome in January and February. Or they tired. I doh know but they not going to beat Manure with those types of performances.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on April 25, 2011, 04:08:39 PM
He continues to sh*t dong heself (from the few RM games i watch) and take up space on dat team, just like at City. Throw away king. Even when he score 30 for Arsenal he was throwing away 5-6 sitters at a time. He shoulda be in Alan Shearer/Thierry Henry territory but never will be. Plus he was a disruptive influence. Don't miss him at all. Let him go where he will. I wish him well on his travels. To me all he doing is making Benzema look good.

Adebayor just won a trophy with Real Madrid  :beermug:

lol yuh wicked
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: soccerman on April 25, 2011, 09:22:24 PM
anyway manu coming to town on sunday

mayday mayday!

can they seal the title at emirates?

will arsenal pull a rabbit out of thier hat and win at home this year?

can they spoil manu's party and give chelsea a gift they will use unlike the half a dozen arsenal got but failed to open?

see you all on sunday afternoon

I wouldn't lie GunnerStunner, you does go down die hard wid yuh team hoss. I will give you that! Arsenal have to be the hardest team to support in terms of disappointment, all that quality and nothing to show since the 03-04 season. Every year is Arsenal Almost, Arsenal Almost of recent...you guys may have to change your names from the Gunners to Almost. Don't mind me though, I jus bussing your chops. Support your side strong, sail wid de boat, sink or float. Hopefully one day you guys will come around and win something soon:beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 26, 2011, 05:17:18 AM
 :beermug:
Thanks  man
I begining to wonder if this thread us the blight for arsenal over the years
 :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 29, 2011, 07:19:20 AM
here we go!

the coming together of two powerhouses, and soon to be clashing of sweaty bodies
well enough about the royal wedding

arsenal v manu

at the emirates
in recent times manu may feel the emirates is their home away from manchester

one hopes that arsenal win with pride (can they lose with pride too?)

a win sunday and a win by chelsea still is nothing but a cruel tease to arsenal, arsene, the players and the fans to win it

unless by some fluke, grace of a god, butterfly effect manu trip up on themselves AND chelsea

way too much to ask

especially since arsenal choked in its answer to the question asked of them

hope we win sunday, expecting us too but not raising any hopes lest they bedashed by a draw or loss

at least tommy v is back but not soon enough
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kicker on April 29, 2011, 07:20:44 AM
I'd like to see Arsenal take something from the game on Sunday just to make it interesting, but I honestly don't see it happening. 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 29, 2011, 07:26:43 AM
I'd like to see Arsenal take something from the game on Sunday just to make it interesting, but I honestly don't see it happening. 

i dont know how either

and if they do win an put on a master class i would be vex no ass because it would more than prove they could do it, just cant do it when it really matters

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Peong on April 29, 2011, 07:45:04 AM
I'd like to see Arsenal take something from the game on Sunday just to make it interesting, but I honestly don't see it happening. 

i dont know how either

and if they do win an put on a master class i would be vex no ass because it would more than prove they could do it, just cant do it when it really matters

The latter part has already been proven. 
Arsenal are not killers like Man U and Chelsea.  Like somebody else said, only Van Persie is intent on making opponents pay every time.  Fabregas has lost some spark and the rest were never up to their standard.  Shit side.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on April 29, 2011, 08:23:50 AM
I'd like to see Arsenal take something from the game on Sunday just to make it interesting, but I honestly don't see it happening. 

i dont know how either

and if they do win an put on a master class i would be vex no ass because it would more than prove they could do it, just cant do it when it really matters

The latter part has already been proven. 
Arsenal are not killers like Man U and Chelsea.  Like somebody else said, only Van Persie is intent on making opponents pay every time.  Fabregas has lost some spark and the rest were never up to their standard.  Shit side.

Fabregas looks out of shape. There was a picture of him lifting his shirt wiping his face and he had a serious gut going on.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on April 29, 2011, 10:20:14 AM
Them fellas like they just want to make it to summer yes! They not beating Man U without a serious attitude change. Need a little bit of a clearing out in the transfer window.

I feel van Persie should be made captain. He and Sagna seem to be the only big players who up for a fight and he has the seniority and I believe the greater force of personality. If Cesc doh like that then let him go. Problem is, they need another big name striker to work with RvP, which might piss him off. Not keen on a striker being captain (and he of course has his injury problems) but I think he is by far best suited for the job.

I'd like to see Arsenal take something from the game on Sunday just to make it interesting, but I honestly don't see it happening. 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dinho on April 30, 2011, 04:53:19 PM
YES YOU CAN!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: D.H.W on April 30, 2011, 05:49:22 PM
YES YOU CAN!!!

cool yuh self boss man  8)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: davidephraim on May 01, 2011, 08:31:37 AM
lets go arsenal. do chelsea this solid!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on May 01, 2011, 08:58:43 AM
Well done Arsenal.

Now we can go on to win it!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Daft Trini on May 01, 2011, 08:58:54 AM
Good Win... Rooney played like a bitch today...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Blue on May 01, 2011, 09:01:14 AM
Thanks Arsenal...see you again next season  :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on May 01, 2011, 09:06:16 AM
Thanks, Arsenal, y'all have thrown us a lifeline.  Of course, had we not messed ourselves up over the winter, this title race would have been well decided already but we would still be thanking y'all.  Any manu loss is a manu hater victory.   London clubs unite in the fight against evil.  Next year QPR might come in as reinforcements.     
 :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Daft Trini on May 01, 2011, 09:08:45 AM
Thanks, Arsenal, y'all have thrown us a lifeline.  Of course, had we not messed ourselves up over the winter, this title race would have been well decided already but we would still be thanking y'all.  Any manu loss is a manu hater victory.   London clubs unite in the fight against evil.  Next year QPR might come in as reinforcements.     
 :devil:


touche  :beermug:  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Tenorsaw on May 01, 2011, 09:16:41 AM
They look so uncomfortable defending a lead.  Wenger needs to go buy a proper holding midfielder.  They need to be able to defend higher up the pitch, instead of sitting back when they try to defend.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on May 01, 2011, 09:20:59 AM
Nice win Arsenal.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on May 01, 2011, 09:25:19 AM
Good tough victory today. Vidic shoulda get a red card and penalty but such is the case with United. The ref put a dread body check on Ramsey too! Clichy continues to be awful. How many times can a defender get caught on the ball? He needs to go. Rambo was outstanding in his tackling and passing, and the goal was a textbook late run. Man of the match for me. Szczesny was also excellent. Finally Arsenal has a keeper who can handle crosses with authority. Fabio need to calm down seriously. He gonna get sent off and cost United games. Hard fight by United who had their chances as well. Chicharito missed 1 or 2 and didn't look right with those near post runs of his.

Pity Robin didn't continue his scoring run. Greater pity that Arsenal haven't given themselves the opportunity to capitalise on this win. Time to do it when it counts Gunners. Stop being the team of the Future.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on May 01, 2011, 10:20:21 AM
Good tough victory today. Vidic shoulda get a red card and penalty but such is the case with United. The ref put a dread body check on Ramsey too! Clichy continues to be awful. How many times can a defender get caught on the ball? He needs to go. Rambo was outstanding in his tackling and passing, and the goal was a textbook late run. Man of the match for me. Szczesny was also excellent. Finally Arsenal has a keeper who can handle crosses with authority. Fabio need to calm down seriously. He gonna get sent off and cost United games. Hard fight by United who had their chances as well. Chicharito missed 1 or 2 and didn't look right with those near post runs of his.

Pity Robin didn't continue his scoring run. Greater pity that Arsenal haven't given themselves the opportunity to capitalise on this win. Time to do it when it counts Gunners. Stop being the team of the Future.

As yuh calling names, I thought Sagna was outstanding today.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on May 01, 2011, 10:26:41 AM
Good tough victory today. Vidic shoulda get a red card and penalty but such is the case with United. The ref put a dread body check on Ramsey too! Clichy continues to be awful. How many times can a defender get caught on the ball? He needs to go. Rambo was outstanding in his tackling and passing, and the goal was a textbook late run. Man of the match for me. Szczesny was also excellent. Finally Arsenal has a keeper who can handle crosses with authority. Fabio need to calm down seriously. He gonna get sent off and cost United games. Hard fight by United who had their chances as well. Chicharito missed 1 or 2 and didn't look right with those near post runs of his.

Pity Robin didn't continue his scoring run. Greater pity that Arsenal haven't given themselves the opportunity to capitalise on this win. Time to do it when it counts Gunners. Stop being the team of the Future.

As yuh calling names, I thought Sagna was outstanding today.
He usually is but I thought his crossing was a little off. Great going forward and defensively as usual. I consider him the most consistent performer this season for us. By far my favorite player for Arsenal. The class of the league at Right Back
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: kicker on May 01, 2011, 10:32:04 AM
Good win for the gunners, but how did they look so shaky and nervous after scoring? ...They held on but that said alot...

Chelsea were the big winners this weekend. 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: fari on May 01, 2011, 11:17:12 AM
Good tough victory today. Vidic shoulda get a red card and penalty but such is the case with United. The ref put a dread body check on Ramsey too! Clichy continues to be awful. How many times can a defender get caught on the ball? He needs to go. Rambo was outstanding in his tackling and passing, and the goal was a textbook late run. Man of the match for me. Szczesny was also excellent. Finally Arsenal has a keeper who can handle crosses with authority. Fabio need to calm down seriously. He gonna get sent off and cost United games. Hard fight by United who had their chances as well. Chicharito missed 1 or 2 and didn't look right with those near post runs of his.

Pity Robin didn't continue his scoring run. Greater pity that Arsenal haven't given themselves the opportunity to capitalise on this win. Time to do it when it counts Gunners. Stop being the team of the Future.

As yuh calling names, I thought Sagna was outstanding today.
He usually is but I thought his crossing was a little off. Great going forward and defensively as usual. I consider him the most consistent performer this season for us. By far my favorite player for Arsenal. The class of the league at Right Back

sagna is a boss...tough, strong, smart defender...i really want him to win a trophy or two with arsenal soon.

ramsey was my MOM for me too, you could see him growing into the game as it wore on.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: samo on May 01, 2011, 11:24:40 AM
Thanx Arsenal!!! Great job..
Did I see right at half time possesion was 64% Arsenal... Arsenal make ManU look like ManUre especially in the first half..
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on May 01, 2011, 03:46:59 PM
a deserved win for allyuh.
we get away with the vidic hands....but that was real hard to see eh.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Mango Chow! on May 01, 2011, 05:08:27 PM
In all fairness to the officials, I eh so sure that hand ball was so easy to see>  Vidich mighta geh way wid it but all he end up winnin' today was de battle. Arsenal win de war and Chelsea sellin' guns.....
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 01, 2011, 06:04:33 PM
f**king Spurs!
f**king Gomes!

Gift Chelsea three points why don't ya!

All this big call shit

Vidic handball if it was called would have changed the future so said its no sense fergie whining about other penalty claims

What is needed is better refs and linesmen and timekeeping

Keep it close to black and white as possible
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: dwn on May 01, 2011, 06:05:33 PM
Thanks, Arsenal, y'all have thrown us a lifeline.  Of course, had we not messed ourselves up over the winter, this title race would have been well decided already but we would still be thanking y'all.  Any manu loss is a manu hater victory.   London clubs unite in the fight against evil.  Next year QPR might come in as reinforcements.     
 :devil:

we know the feeling...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 02, 2011, 01:35:04 PM
Glad to hear even players calling for technology to help out refs

Cech say it Rio say it wenger say it

Maybe Platini might fix it but it probably won't be for another 20years
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: doc on May 02, 2011, 03:25:04 PM
a deserved win for allyuh.
we get away with the vidic hands....but that was real hard to see eh.
The boys finally defeated the men eh.... hmmmmm :-\
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 02, 2011, 10:16:29 PM
a deserved win for allyuh.
we get away with the vidic hands....but that was real hard to see eh.
The boys finally defeated the men eh.... hmmmmm :-\
Ha! Evra eat he words! The arsenal team was the youngest playing for arsenal this season and of all EPL teams this season!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Ngozi on May 03, 2011, 02:16:56 PM
a deserved win for allyuh.
we get away with the vidic hands....but that was real hard to see eh.
The boys finally defeated the men eh.... hmmmmm :-\
Ha! Evra eat he words! The arsenal team was the youngest playing for arsenal this season and of all EPL teams this season!

Won the battle .. lost the war  :(
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on May 03, 2011, 03:21:43 PM
Ha! Evra eat he words! The arsenal team was the youngest playing for arsenal this season and of all EPL teams this season!

Won the battle .. lost the war  :(

True, but Arsenal won all their big home games, which they wouldn't have done last year. Except Sp*rs, which is a special case. It have no such thing as defendin in the North London Derby!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 04, 2011, 03:56:50 PM

So we facing stoke away on Sunday, but if Chelski don't beat manu it won't mean much other than trying to fight for 2nd but most likely 3rd

Stoke are no walk over team

This will be a game where we must not falter or waver

We need our defense solid on set pieces

Our forwards lethal with each attack

And our midfield keeping the ball winning the ball back and dictating the game

This season I have seen is win the games that don't really matter and choke on the ones that do
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Bitter on May 04, 2011, 05:59:09 PM

So we facing stoke away on Sunday, but if Chelski don't beat manu it won't mean much other than trying to fight for 2nd but most likely 3rd

Stoke are no walk over team

This will be a game where we must not falter or waver

We need our defense solid on set pieces

Our forwards lethal with each attack

And our midfield keeping the ball winning the ball back and dictating the game

This season I have seen is win the games that don't really matter and choke on the ones that do


Yuh mean yuh not backing KJ?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 05, 2011, 05:30:49 AM
Steupse

He could score one

But we have to score 7
Think I backed Yorke when he played vs Arsenal?

Or Stern

Or Shaka?

Or Scotland?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: D.H.W on May 08, 2011, 07:34:37 AM
Jones !!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on May 08, 2011, 07:41:54 AM
Jones !!!!

Now remember behave if Arsenal doesn't get the result; no gloating, because we still have to play and no need to jumbie our side!  :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Jah Gol on May 08, 2011, 07:47:34 AM

Watch Delap throw ins
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on May 08, 2011, 11:44:52 AM
Djourou retarded twin brother get a start today. WTF wrong wit dis man? Since he come back from injury he only pulling stones! Before then he was keeping man like Drogba in he back pocket. 3 mistakes, 3 goals. Like he forget how to defend.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Peong on May 08, 2011, 11:49:06 AM
Shit side.  Gibbs actually ducked from the cross that Jones scored. 
That is ting to get yuh fired.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on May 08, 2011, 12:10:51 PM
Djourou retarded twin brother get a start today. WTF wrong wit dis man? Since he come back from injury he only pulling stones! Before then he was keeping man like Drogba in he back pocket. 3 mistakes, 3 goals. Like he forget how to defend.

Allyuh can have Johnny Evans!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on May 08, 2011, 01:52:26 PM
Djourou retarded twin brother get a start today. WTF wrong wit dis man? Since he come back from injury he only pulling stones! Before then he was keeping man like Drogba in he back pocket. 3 mistakes, 3 goals. Like he forget how to defend.

Allyuh can have Johnny Evans!
Hahaha. Nah boy! Evans? Talk about backward step.

Congrats to your side. They didn't even need Howard Webb dis rounds.  :applause:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: giggsy11 on May 08, 2011, 02:22:51 PM
Djourou retarded twin brother get a start today. WTF wrong wit dis man? Since he come back from injury he only pulling stones! Before then he was keeping man like Drogba in he back pocket. 3 mistakes, 3 goals. Like he forget how to defend.

Allyuh can have Johnny Evans!
Hahaha. Nah boy! Evans? Talk about backward step.

Congrats to your side. They didn't even need Howard Webb dis rounds.  :applause:

Thank you- hanging in there I am sure you guys will make some positive chages this off season. :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: D.H.W on May 08, 2011, 02:39:25 PM
what i dont understand about arsenal is how they are so inconsistent. One game they play good ball. Then the next game is like a totally different team on the field. Is that a mental issue or something?   
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on May 08, 2011, 03:44:55 PM
We go see. I feel dis is Wenger last chance to win something. He suck salt for 5 years with the stadium debt and this year was supposed to be it. All it prove is the team good but not good enough. They need another big striker, defensive midfielder and a centre back. Can't be only relying on van Persie to pull a rabbit out of his hat, as good as he is. Song have no respectable backup and the best defender miss the whole season. I always had faith in Wenger who build a good team from almost nothing twice now but if he doh sign some top talent this summer I will join the Wenger out brigade.

Djourou retarded twin brother get a start today. WTF wrong wit dis man? Since he come back from injury he only pulling stones! Before then he was keeping man like Drogba in he back pocket. 3 mistakes, 3 goals. Like he forget how to defend.

Allyuh can have Johnny Evans!
Hahaha. Nah boy! Evans? Talk about backward step.

Congrats to your side. They didn't even need Howard Webb dis rounds.  :applause:

Thank you- hanging in there I am sure you guys will make some positive chages this off season. :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on May 08, 2011, 08:14:42 PM
what i dont understand about arsenal is how they are so inconsistent. One game they play good ball. Then the next game is like a totally different team on the field. Is that a mental issue or something?   

same problem with WI.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 09, 2011, 06:52:04 AM
what i dont understand about arsenal is how they are so inconsistent. One game they play good ball. Then the next game is like a totally different team on the field. Is that a mental issue or something?   

its a bit of that and a bit of not having enough of the get the job done mentality

look at champions in any sport they have that aura not talking about swagger

i am talking about consistency and being able to do the simple things consistently better than everyone else

that is what makes champions exceptional

will never forget even before martins got to the ball and scored in the carling cup final, my heart sank and saw th erest of the season flash away before my eyes. i knew right then the season was over

it set in game after game of choiking when it matters

if arsne doesnt seriously sit down and make changes (that includes kicking ppl up the backside)

then he is the manegarial equivalent of the emperors new clothes

i wait to see what happens this summer, as always i doubt there will be many changes and surprised if any at are made

even before a ball is kicked next season i can probably tell if we have it in us to win it
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 10, 2011, 12:58:13 PM
so it seems bendtner is the first looking to jump ship ???

or maybe push others overboard?

saying he doesnt like the position he is playing in and is not satisfied and says in a dream world he would play for barcelona?

or be a sulk and stay and make other strikers move on?

ride the eff out nikolas and take yuh pink shoes with you
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on May 10, 2011, 01:09:14 PM
Like he could ever make Barca side wit dat first touch! Sell him and get a strong, pacy striker I say!

so it seems bendtner is the first looking to jump ship ???

or maybe push others overboard?

saying he doesnt like the position he is playing in and is not satisfied and says in a dream world he woul dplay for barcelona?

ride the eff out nikolas and take yuh pink shoes with you
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Observer on May 10, 2011, 01:20:12 PM
so it seems bendtner is the first looking to jump ship ???

or maybe push others overboard?

saying he doesnt like the position he is playing in and is not satisfied and says in a dream world he would play for barcelona?

or be a sulk and stay and make other strikers move on?

ride the eff out nikolas and take yuh pink shoes with you

He did say dream world  ;D I could just see Pep reading his comments and running to the bank machine with his bank card  ::)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 10, 2011, 01:26:15 PM
so it seems bendtner is the first looking to jump ship ???

or maybe push others overboard?

saying he doesnt like the position he is playing in and is not satisfied and says in a dream world he would play for barcelona?

or be a sulk and stay and make other strikers move on?

ride the eff out nikolas and take yuh pink shoes with you

He did say dream world  ;D I could just see Pep reading his comments and running to the bank machine with his bank card  ::)
bank card or food stamps?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on May 10, 2011, 02:11:34 PM
Whatever yes! Bayern were supposed to be interested in him last summer, let dem take him. We can't be challenging for top honours with only one world class striker who injured half the season.

so it seems bendtner is the first looking to jump ship ???

or maybe push others overboard?

saying he doesnt like the position he is playing in and is not satisfied and says in a dream world he would play for barcelona?

or be a sulk and stay and make other strikers move on?

ride the eff out nikolas and take yuh pink shoes with you

He did say dream world  ;D I could just see Pep reading his comments and running to the bank machine with his bank card  ::)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 10, 2011, 02:52:57 PM
well two games left

villa and fulham

certainly no walkovers here

we need to win them to keep 3rd place after spurs failed to keep thier dreams alive against citeh

well onto the next game
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Blue on May 10, 2011, 03:31:50 PM
Fergie - I was almost a Gunner (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6926018,00.html)

Sir Alex Ferguson has revealed he turned down the chance to be Arsenal manager just months before taking charge at Manchester United.

The Gunners post was offered to him early in 1986, and the former Scotland boss was keen to take compatriot Walter Smith to North London with him.

But Scotland's World Cup campaign in Mexico that year meant the proposed Arsenal switch fell through.

Ferguson made the revelations in Tuesday night's match programme for Rangers' Scottish Premier League clash against Dundee United - manager Smith's last match in charge at Ibrox.

Ferguson said: "I was offered the Arsenal job and I wanted to take Walter with me.

"I thought I would sound him out when we were on Scotland duty together. We were going to play in Israel and I didn't know that Walter was going to Rangers at that time.

"I told him that I had been offered the chance to go to Arsenal and I asked him what he thought. He was positive about it, saying they were a big club and that kind of thing.

"So I said to him 'Do you fancy coming with me?' Then he dropped the bombshell that he was going to Rangers.

"The thing about the Arsenal offer was that they wanted an answer right away but I couldn't give them one because I was going to the World Cup in Mexico with Scotland.

"So the Arsenal thing fell by the wayside. Walter went to Rangers and then later that year I went to Manchester United. "
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on May 10, 2011, 09:20:21 PM
wow, fergie dodged a bullet there  :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on May 10, 2011, 09:40:00 PM
Hah! If he'd had the success at Arsenal that he had at United then everyone would be a Gooner. We doh need no bandwagonists. Leave that for the other teams, we prefer real fans. Let Chelsea and United take all the frauds.

wow, fergie dodged a bullet there  :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 11, 2011, 05:34:12 AM
Ent! Don't forget the classless too! Can't even win with grace tsk tsk what woupd sir bobby charlton think?

Btw I met him, nice proper gentleman

   
Hah! If he'd had the success at Arsenal that he had at United then everyone would be a Gooner. We doh need no bandwagonists. Leave that for the other teams, we prefer real fans. Let Chelsea and United take all the frauds.

wow, fergie dodged a bullet there  :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: sammy on May 11, 2011, 06:45:14 AM
Hah! If he'd had the success at Arsenal that he had at United then everyone would be a Gooner. We doh need no bandwagonists. Leave that for the other teams, we prefer real fans. Let Chelsea and United take all the frauds.

wow, fergie dodged a bullet there  :devil:

I dot think u guys will ever have a problem with ppl jumping on your band wagon. As a matter of fact, just yesterday a particular gooner jumping on liverpool bandwagon to dethrone Utd next year. typical.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on May 11, 2011, 06:53:55 AM
Hah! If he'd had the success at Arsenal that he had at United then everyone would be a Gooner. We doh need no bandwagonists. Leave that for the other teams, we prefer real fans. Let Chelsea and United take all the frauds.

wow, fergie dodged a bullet there  :devil:

I dot think u guys will ever have a problem with ppl jumping on your band wagon. As a matter of fact, just yesterday a particular gooner jumping on liverpool bandwagon to dethrone Utd next year. typical.
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend". Good politics.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FOREVER
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on May 11, 2011, 08:31:53 AM
Good article on B-52 from Gunnerblog:

Nicklas Bendtner: a perfectly good square peg in a highly unsuitable round hole
May 11th, 2011 02:43pm

http://gunnerblog.com/?p=2815

Nicklas Bendtner has always been a divisive figure at Arsenal. For some fans, he represents a much-needed Plan B: powerfully built and good in the air, he provides an antidote to the tippy-tappy build-up we occasionally over-indulge in; a bulldozer in the box.

For others, he represents all that’s wrong with this Arsenal side: over-confident and seemingly lazy, his occasional outbursts in the press suggest a young man who would be better served by showing some humility and making the most of his limited ability.

The truth is probably somewhere in between. I think those who call Bendtner lazy are making a misjudgment. His bulk means that he’s never going to scamper about the pitch like a more sprightly player. However, he does get through a shift, especially when asked to play wide. Not many centre-forwards would chase back to support a full-back as often as Bendtner does.

When played through the middle, his ‘laziness’ is a misdiagnosis of something we rarely see at Arsenal: a desire to remain a focal point of the attack in and around the box.

We have, of course, already stumbled upon the principle problem with Bendtner: his deployment in the wide positions, to which he is plainly unsuited. In fact, it’s one of the main reasons that the big man could be on the move this summer. Speaking to Danish TV station TV2, he said:

“I need to have a talk with him [Wenger] because I’m not satisfied with playing on the right wing, which I’ve done more or less all season long.

I’m concentrating on getting our Champions League place and then we’ll do the evaluation at the end of the season.

It’s certainly not the best thing for me but it’s not up to me and sometimes you have to adapt to what the manager says.”

It’s unclear as to why Arsene chooses to play Bendtner wide. It doesn’t seem to be part of a developmental plan, as with Theo Walcott. Arsene is still insistent Theo will end up as a striker, and that playing on the wing is in part a ploy to teach him aspects of the game which will benefit him when he emerges from his right-flank cocoon as a serviceable centre-forward.

Bendtner, however, is a pure box player. He doesn’t have the pace to beat a man. He doesn’t have the skill to outfox a defender. What he does have is the power and presence to make a nuisance of himself and get on the end of crosses. That is his game. Relative to the rest of the squad, he lacks finesse. He is, whatever he may think, more Andy Carroll than Zlatan Ibrahimovic.

That’s not to say he lacks ability. I’m always surprised that Bendtner is considered a bit of a joke by so many fans both within and outside the club. Perhaps that’s due to a couple of high profile misses, but his goalscoring record generally speaks for itself. Even this season, when he has struggled for form and fitness, he is a goal away from double figures. And that’s having made just 14 starts.

So why does he find himself continually out of position? Simple: there are better players ahead of him. Many scoffed when Arsene identified Robin van Persie as the man to fill the lone striker role, but he has shown he has the ability to be devastatingly effective in that position. Crucially, he also has the immaculate first touch required to bring other players in to the game. Bendtner doesn’t, and our passing game can occasionally break down when he is employed as the focal point of the attack.

Essentially, he’s a square peg in a round hole. He’s a centre-forward in a team who doesn’t really cross the ball. And when they do cross it, it’s the 6’3” Bendtner doing the crossing. Deploying him on the flank might make sense if we were to launch raking cross-field passes on to his head. But that just isn’t our game.

For his own sake, it may well be time to move on. For Arsenal too, it makes sense. At 23, Bendtner is still a promising international striker who could command a decent fee. With Marouane Chamakh now in the squad, we have another striker who can be a threat in the air. We might be better off replacing Bendtner with a pacy forward who can run the channels - and, if really necessary, play wide.

Bendtner says if he could choose where to go it’d be Barcelona. I’d like to play for them too, mate, but it doesn’t make it any more likely to happen. If he wants to fulfill his potential - and, if you listen to him, he’s got plenty of it - he needs to go to a club where he’ll play regularly. I can see him doing well in the Bundesliga, or at a mid-level Premier League club like Newcastle, who certainly need a new number nine.

Bendtner has the kind of personality that will enjoy proving his critics wrong, and I don’t doubt he’s capable of it. Just perhaps not at Arsenal. And certainly not on the wing.
Title: Re: VICTORIA CONCORDIA CRESCIT
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 11, 2011, 09:27:20 AM
maybe changing the thread might lift the jinx i seemed to have placed on the gunners 6 years ago prediciting they would win the league

yes at this point i trying anything

i fedex some horse placenta to the forum mods for them to rub it on the server and see if that helps
Title: Re: VICTORIA CONCORDIA CRESCIT
Post by: FF on May 11, 2011, 09:35:43 AM
This goes out to all bandwagonistas out there in trinbago!

when arsenal win things next season doh play yuh wasn't crying us down during summer!

allez! allez! wenger!


LOL
Title: Re: VICTORIA CONCORDIA CRESCIT
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 11, 2011, 09:45:11 AM
This goes out to all bandwagonistas out there in trinbago!

when arsenal win things next season doh play yuh wasn't crying us down during summer!

allez! allez! wenger!
LOL

Goat mouth vs Gunnerstunner

exibit A
Title: Re: VICTORIA CONCORDIA CRESCIT
Post by: FF on May 11, 2011, 10:06:43 AM
This goes out to all bandwagonistas out there in trinbago!

when arsenal win things next season doh play yuh wasn't crying us down during summer!

allez! allez! wenger!
LOL

Goat mouth vs Gunnerstunner

exibit A

LOL watch de date  :rotfl:
Title: Re: VICTORIA CONCORDIA CRESCIT
Post by: DeSoWa on May 11, 2011, 10:20:57 AM
This goes out to all bandwagonistas out there in trinbago!

when arsenal win things next season doh play yuh wasn't crying us down during summer!

allez! allez! wenger!
LOL

Goat mouth vs Gunnerstunner

exibit A

LOL watch de date  :rotfl:

Gunner, doh study dem nah...who laughs last - laughs best  :devil:  :beermug:

Big Up!
Title: Re: VICTORIA CONCORDIA CRESCIT
Post by: Jayerson on May 11, 2011, 10:50:22 AM
 :'(
Title: Re: VICTORIA CONCORDIA CRESCIT
Post by: soccerman on May 11, 2011, 11:11:12 AM
maybe changing the thread might lift the jinx i seemed to have placed on the gunners 6 years ago prediciting they would win the league

yes at this point i trying anything

i fedex some horse placenta to the forum mods for them to rub it on the server and see if that helps

Under all de ole talk you does go down till de end partner :applause:

You remind me of the musicians in the band who played till the end while the titanic sank :violin:...hopefully changing the thread helps, keep de faith and doh study nobody!!!
Title: Re: VICTORIA CONCORDIA CRESCIT
Post by: sammy on May 11, 2011, 12:22:03 PM
maybe changing the thread might lift the jinx i seemed to have placed on the gunners 6 years ago prediciting they would win the league

yes at this point i trying anything

i fedex some horse placenta to the forum mods for them to rub it on the server and see if that helps

Under all de ole talk you does go down till de end partner :applause:



Yeah boy gunner, kudos. a true supporter  :thumbsup:
u was the first man to start a "forever" thread ent?

PS i had to search to find this thread yes lol i say u give it up.!
Title: Re: VICTORIA CONCORDIA CRESCIT
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 12, 2011, 03:55:52 PM
thanks, i not giving up on meh side

i will give a lil poke in the ribs to other teams supporters on here but try to remain respectful

or set some basket and see who attacks like a rabib mutant wabeen  :devil:

i try to be a realist, nothing last forever

manu will not be the best club for ever
chelski n citeh money will no tlast for ever
arsenal barren streak will not last for ever

there are bigger things in life than whats happens when other ppl do things on a patch of grass

also since i migrated to north america and see that nearly all of thier sports have excellent officiating

i realise why it isnt as popular as it coud be simply because they dont tollerate injustice up here.

I am really saddened by the whole FIFA amoral approach to football on the whole

bleh i hope they dont kill the soul of football
Title: Re: VICTORIA CONCORDIA CRESCIT
Post by: DeSoWa on May 12, 2011, 04:28:43 PM
thanks, i not giving up on meh side

i will give a lil poke in the ribs to other teams supporters on here but try to remain respectful

or set some basket and see who attacks like a rabib mutant wabeen  :devil:

i try to be a realist, nothing last forever

manu will not be the best club for ever
chelski n citeh money will no tlast for ever
arsenal barren streak will not last for ever

there are bigger things in life than whats happens when other ppl do things on a patch of grass

also since i migrated to north america and see that nearly all of thier sports have excellent officiating

i realise why it isnt as popular as it coud be simply because they dont tollerate injustice up here.

I am really saddened by the whole FIFA amoral approach to football on the whole

bleh i hope they dont kill the soul of football

Are you sure bout that? Have you ever heard about the MLS? Plus with all the replays and 3 refs on the court, they does still make bad calls in the NBA! It happens all over!  :beermug:

Big Up!
Title: Re: VICTORIA CONCORDIA CRESCIT
Post by: Peong on May 12, 2011, 06:00:50 PM
thanks, i not giving up on meh side

i will give a lil poke in the ribs to other teams supporters on here but try to remain respectful

or set some basket and see who attacks like a rabib mutant wabeen  :devil:

i try to be a realist, nothing last forever

manu will not be the best club for ever
chelski n citeh money will no tlast for ever
arsenal barren streak will not last for ever

there are bigger things in life than whats happens when other ppl do things on a patch of grass

also since i migrated to north america and see that nearly all of thier sports have excellent officiating

i realise why it isnt as popular as it coud be simply because they dont tollerate injustice up here.

I am really saddened by the whole FIFA amoral approach to football on the whole

bleh i hope they dont kill the soul of football

Are you sure bout that? Have you ever heard about the MLS? Plus with all the replays and 3 refs on the court, they does still make bad calls in the NBA! It happens all over!  :beermug:

Big Up!

Well he means the American sports, NFL, NBA and MLB.  MLS officiating is still in the baby stages.
And there are still bad calls yes, but the occurrence is minimized.
Title: Re: VICTORIA CONCORDIA CRESCIT
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 12, 2011, 09:41:24 PM
Thank you
I was talking about north American sports and how hard they try to ensure the officials have every tool, every support system to make the right call
Timekeeping
Goals
Two major issues in football that would add credibility to the governing body of football
Title: Re: VICTORIA CONCORDIA CRESCIT
Post by: Bakes on May 12, 2011, 09:53:26 PM
thanks, i not giving up on meh side

i will give a lil poke in the ribs to other teams supporters on here but try to remain respectful

or set some basket and see who attacks like a rabib mutant wabeen  :devil:

i try to be a realist, nothing last forever

manu will not be the best club for ever
chelski n citeh money will no tlast for ever
arsenal barren streak will not last for ever

there are bigger things in life than whats happens when other ppl do things on a patch of grass

also since i migrated to north america and see that nearly all of thier sports have excellent officiating

i realise why it isnt as popular as it coud be simply because they dont tollerate injustice up here.

I am really saddened by the whole FIFA amoral approach to football on the whole

bleh i hope they dont kill the soul of football

Are you sure bout that? Have you ever heard about the MLS? Plus with all the replays and 3 refs on the court, they does still make bad calls in the NBA! It happens all over!  :beermug:

Big Up!

They make "bad" calls because they're human... but to his point, they're not afraid to use technology to help mitigate against human error.  FIFA remains abstinate and incalcitrant... for no other reason other than because they can.
Title: Re: VICTORIA CONCORDIA CRESCIT
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 13, 2011, 05:06:16 PM
Vomit Puke and Barf all over FIFA

Anyway

Can arsenal out in a performance for the fans
The fans who love them but constantly heart broken by them and lay waste to villa?

Cesc although injured a lot this season has hardly lead the charge

This should be a summer of reckoning a summer of truth

A summer where those who hide behind the team and then glaring exposed when called upon to be honest with themselves and the fans and move on

So if like to say farewell and godspeed to rosicky denilson bendtner almunia arshavin and possibly eboue and clichy

That sounds like a lot and we probably wouldn't see that many go

But we have kids out on loan including Vela

That's a lot to sell off then try and buy better players for the positions
But a youth player like frimpong and JET can help mitigate some of that expense but ads to lowering the average age and experience not to mention knowing what it takes to cross the finish line
Title: Re: VICTORIA CONCORDIA CRESCIT
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on May 15, 2011, 11:15:26 AM
Well, that's what happens when you start playing 20 minutes after the whistle blows. Chamakh looked good in this game. Squillaci needs to go, Arshavin too. Vermaelen I will put down to being rusty.

Sadly enough the desire and fighting spirit they showed in the second half is what Arsenal was missing all spring. Something needs to change this summer.
Title: Re: VICTORIA CONCORDIA CRESCIT
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 15, 2011, 01:34:02 PM
Not that this was the lase game of the season at home

Or last chance to cement 3rd

Or prove something to the fans

But the fact that changes are desperately needed

Cannot keep dead weight

Rosicky denilson squillachi diaby bendtner must go.

Maybe eboue too

If not ai revoir wenger
Title: Re: VICTORIA CONCORDIA CRESCIT
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 17, 2011, 09:21:58 AM
bright young future??

Ryo Miyaichi
Ryo joined Arsenal in January and was instantly loaned to Dutch Eredivise giants Feyenoord until the end of the season.
 
It wasn’t long before the highly-rated Japanese forward made his mark in Holland, scoring in his first game at De Kuip, Feyenoord’s home ground, in a 2-1 win over Heracles at the start of February.
 
He became a regular in Mario Been’s side, making 12 starts and scoring three times as Feyenoord finished the season in tenth position.
 
Jaap De Groot of De Telegraaf
 
“He has got everything; he has got speed, he is very direct, he has skill, he can take people on, he scores goals and he has good technique. He loves the game as well. When you look at him you see someone who is enjoying playing football. He is young and needs to mature but he is a very interesting player and could definitely be a star in the future.
 
“He is a great talent and a pure football player. He is an uncomplicated player who just wants to play his game. I think it is very important that he plays at a club that fits his qualities and Feyenoord is a team that plays the authentic Dutch way with two wingers and one centre forward. He played from the left side and that meant he was not forced to defend a lot and he could play his game. Arsenal’s decision to send him to a Dutch club has been a very good choice.
 
“From the first home game in Rotterdam the fans embraced him. They loved his fresh attitude, his pure attitude. He comes on the pitch and goes his own way. He has good technique and only wants to do one thing, go as fast as possible to the goal. He does that in a fresh, free-spirited way.

“He was lucky that he scored in his first game and he got an incredible homage. It was wonderful to see that an old Japanese tradition showed up and, in front of 48,000 people, he bowed four ways to the crowd which was a very special moment.”
Title: Re: VICTORIA CONCORDIA CRESCIT
Post by: JDB on May 17, 2011, 11:37:05 AM
bright young future??

I doubt it, probably will go the way of Bendtner, Vela, Owusu Abeyie.....

Or from United Frazier Campbell, Ebanks-Blake, David Healy

It real hard for young strikers to come through at these teams, especially if they getting loaned out. If they not good enough for first team football one-time like Fowler, Owen, Messi, Ronaldo, Rooney etc they better off going somewhere else full-time to develop over 3 or 4 years.

Big club teams can't afford for young strikers to learn on the job against top centre-backs. Yuh could always hide a midfielder like Gibson while he getting better but when them strikers miss is points down the drain.

That is why even when they play they does get push out to a wing or to midfield. Just look where Wenger playing Bendtner. He ent no wide player but he even worse in the middle.

Right now United have Cleverly and Welbeck out there and both playing well in mid-table teams but it hard to see them displacing Rooney, Berbatov and Hernandez (whereas talents like Messi and Ronaldo, at their age would have been competing). Hopefully they will be in the squad next year in place of Owen though. Give them a season in the team to really see if they could make the step up.
Title: Re: VICTORIA CONCORDIA CRESCIT
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on May 17, 2011, 12:37:01 PM
Hopefully they can give him a couple runouts at the start of the season and he will make the step up from Eredivisie to Premiership. From what I've seen he's a very good left footed passer and crosser. It would be nice to see that rather than Arshavin giving away the ball e.v.e.r.y.s.i.n.g.l.e.t.i.m.e. With that and Clichy's continued downward spiral the team has no width on the left, making it very simple to defend against them. Vela was supposed to solve that left side problem but I think he's going nowhere fast. An Arsenal and World Cup starting striker who can't even get games out on loan to West Brom is not a good sign.

Wenger's pattern with fast players is to play them as wingers first then convert them to strikers. Henry was a winger at Juventus when Arsene signed him. He has stated his intention to turn Walcott into a centre forward (in fact I think if he did that we would have done very well). Pace up front forces the defence deep, which gives the more technical, slower second striker more space to create. Think of how much space playing Henry in front gave Bergkamp to create, or in a modern version Hernandez gives Rooney at Manure.

Of course the left wing problem would be very easy to solve with Robin out left and Chamakh up top.

bright young future??

I doubt it, probably will go the way of Bendtner, Vela, Owusu Abeyie.....

Or from United Frazier Campbell, Ebanks-Blake, David Healy

It real hard for young strikers to come through at these teams, especially if they getting loaned out. If they not good enough for first team football one-time like Fowler, Owen, Messi, Ronaldo, Rooney etc they better off going somewhere else full-time to develop over 3 or 4 years.

Big club teams can't afford for young strikers to learn on the job against top centre-backs. Yuh could always hide a midfielder like Gibson while he getting better but when them strikers miss is points down the drain.

That is why even when they play they does get push out to a wing or to midfield. Just look where Wenger playing Bendtner. He ent no wide player but he even worse in the middle.

Right now United have Cleverly and Welbeck out there and both playing well in mid-table teams but it hard to see them displacing Rooney, Berbatov and Hernandez (whereas talents like Messi and Ronaldo, at their age would have been competing). Hopefully they will be in the squad next year in place of Owen though. Give them a season in the team to really see if they could make the step up.
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Post by: Peong on May 17, 2011, 01:40:03 PM
If Arsenal bag Kun I will buy a shirt.
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Post by: GunnerStunner on May 17, 2011, 01:57:23 PM
bright young future??

I doubt it, probably will go the way of Bendtner, Vela, Owusu Abeyie.....

Or from United Frazier Campbell, Ebanks-Blake, David Healy

It real hard for young strikers to come through at these teams, especially if they getting loaned out. If they not good enough for first team football one-time like Fowler, Owen, Messi, Ronaldo, Rooney etc they better off going somewhere else full-time to develop over 3 or 4 years.

Big club teams can't afford for young strikers to learn on the job against top centre-backs. Yuh could always hide a midfielder like Gibson while he getting better but when them strikers miss is points down the drain.

That is why even when they play they does get push out to a wing or to midfield. Just look where Wenger playing Bendtner. He ent no wide player but he even worse in the middle.

Right now United have Cleverly and Welbeck out there and both playing well in mid-table teams but it hard to see them displacing Rooney, Berbatov and Hernandez (whereas talents like Messi and Ronaldo, at their age would have been competing). Hopefully they will be in the squad next year in place of Owen though. Give them a season in the team to really see if they could make the step up.

i mean to go to the dutch league and hold your own at 18  is no small feat

plus given the drive and ethic far eastern players can show, honda park and that dude from celtic i think this kid can be a star

i dont say it often but  last time i said that was about jack wilshire
Title: Re: VICTORIA CONCORDIA CRESCIT
Post by: Blue on May 17, 2011, 01:58:21 PM
bright young future??

Ryo Miyaichi
Ryo joined Arsenal in January and was instantly loaned to Dutch Eredivise giants Feyenoord until the end of the season.
 
It wasn’t long before the highly-rated Japanese forward made his mark in Holland, scoring in his first game at De Kuip, Feyenoord’s home ground, in a 2-1 win over Heracles at the start of February.
 
He became a regular in Mario Been’s side, making 12 starts and scoring three times as Feyenoord finished the season in tenth position.
 
Jaap De Groot of De Telegraaf
 
“He has got everything; he has got speed, he is very direct, he has skill, he can take people on, he scores goals and he has good technique. He loves the game as well. When you look at him you see someone who is enjoying playing football. He is young and needs to mature but he is a very interesting player and could definitely be a star in the future.
 
“He is a great talent and a pure football player. He is an uncomplicated player who just wants to play his game. I think it is very important that he plays at a club that fits his qualities and Feyenoord is a team that plays the authentic Dutch way with two wingers and one centre forward. He played from the left side and that meant he was not forced to defend a lot and he could play his game. Arsenal’s decision to send him to a Dutch club has been a very good choice.
 
“From the first home game in Rotterdam the fans embraced him. They loved his fresh attitude, his pure attitude. He comes on the pitch and goes his own way. He has good technique and only wants to do one thing, go as fast as possible to the goal. He does that in a fresh, free-spirited way.

“He was lucky that he scored in his first game and he got an incredible homage. It was wonderful to see that an old Japanese tradition showed up and, in front of 48,000 people, he bowed four ways to the crowd which was a very special moment.”


He might be an ok player, but do u really think this kid is the missing link? The article might be rating him up, but its all relative...Feyenoord just had their worst season in years.
Title: Re: VICTORIA CONCORDIA CRESCIT
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 17, 2011, 02:00:07 PM
bright young future??

Ryo Miyaichi
Ryo joined Arsenal in January and was instantly loaned to Dutch Eredivise giants Feyenoord until the end of the season.
 
It wasn’t long before the highly-rated Japanese forward made his mark in Holland, scoring in his first game at De Kuip, Feyenoord’s home ground, in a 2-1 win over Heracles at the start of February.
 
He became a regular in Mario Been’s side, making 12 starts and scoring three times as Feyenoord finished the season in tenth position.
 
Jaap De Groot of De Telegraaf
 
“He has got everything; he has got speed, he is very direct, he has skill, he can take people on, he scores goals and he has good technique. He loves the game as well. When you look at him you see someone who is enjoying playing football. He is young and needs to mature but he is a very interesting player and could definitely be a star in the future.
 
“He is a great talent and a pure football player. He is an uncomplicated player who just wants to play his game. I think it is very important that he plays at a club that fits his qualities and Feyenoord is a team that plays the authentic Dutch way with two wingers and one centre forward. He played from the left side and that meant he was not forced to defend a lot and he could play his game. Arsenal’s decision to send him to a Dutch club has been a very good choice.
 
“From the first home game in Rotterdam the fans embraced him. They loved his fresh attitude, his pure attitude. He comes on the pitch and goes his own way. He has good technique and only wants to do one thing, go as fast as possible to the goal. He does that in a fresh, free-spirited way.

“He was lucky that he scored in his first game and he got an incredible homage. It was wonderful to see that an old Japanese tradition showed up and, in front of 48,000 people, he bowed four ways to the crowd which was a very special moment.”


He might be an ok player, but do u really think this kid is the missing link? The article might be rating him up, but its all relative...Feyenoord just had their worst season in years.
aps never said missing link

and right now we have a few missing links and some loose screws too!
Title: Re: VICTORIA CONCORDIA CRESCIT
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 17, 2011, 02:00:56 PM
well well well

4th place my old friend how yuh doing?

long time eh? well we go lime this summer and see what happens
Title: Re: VICTORIA CONCORDIA CRESCIT
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on May 17, 2011, 02:34:29 PM
Gunners linked to Scott Parker after West Ham relegation. Never seen him play. Anybody have any opinions on him?

As the season is basically over I will occupy myself with baseless transfer speculation. I guess this includes Barca unethically tapping up Cesc to go and ride their bench for no pay for the next 2-3 years. And hopefully brand name signings at CF, DM and CB.
Title: Re: VICTORIA CONCORDIA CRESCIT
Post by: giggsy11 on May 17, 2011, 02:43:03 PM
well well well

4th place my old friend how yuh doing?

long time eh? well we go lime this summer and see what happens


Gunner change the name of the thread back or to The Arsenal. This name doh look right, until I clicked on the thread I didn't even know it was allyuh.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Peong on May 17, 2011, 03:31:09 PM
Gunners linked to Scott Parker after West Ham relegation. Never seen him play. Anybody have any opinions on him?

Not special.  If he wasn't English no one would have ever heard of him.
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Post by: GunnerStunner on May 17, 2011, 05:48:17 PM
I waiting till I see it on the club website

No sense chasing shadows or trophies
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Post by: dwn on May 17, 2011, 07:13:53 PM
Gunners linked to Scott Parker after West Ham relegation. Never seen him play. Anybody have any opinions on him?

Not special.  If he wasn't English no one would have ever heard of him.

Not special but high work rate and tough tackling. I think he could give the midfield something similar to what Flamini offered.
Title: Re: VICTORIA CONCORDIA CRESCIT
Post by: JDB on May 17, 2011, 08:43:03 PM

i mean to go to the dutch league and hold your own at 18  is no small feat

plus given the drive and ethic far eastern players can show, honda park and that dude from celtic i think this kid can be a star

i dont say it often but  last time i said that was about jack wilshire

I not trying to write the man off because I haven't seen him just saying that the fact he on loan does not bode well. Fabregas and Van Persie never went on loan, they were part of the squad from day one. Wilshere and Ramsey around the same age and they starting now. In fact even Walcott went straight into the team at 17.

He could very well be a good player but most of these players end up in a loan-reserve-loan cycle before eventually getting moved on, especially strikers.

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Post by: JDB on May 17, 2011, 08:45:13 PM
Arsenal prepared to sell Andrey Arshavin to fund new signings (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/may/17/arsenal-andrey-arshavin-new-signings)

• Arsène Wenger feels Russian is surplus to requirements
• Club hope to recoup the £15m paid to Zenit St Petersburg

David Hytner
guardian.co.uk,    Tuesday 17 May 2011 22.00 BST

Arsenal are prepared to sell Andrey Arshavin in the summer to fund the building of a new squad. Arsène Wenger has begun to cast the net for new signings and is understood to have indicated that Arshavin is surplus to requirements at the Emirates Stadium.

The club would want to recoup the £15m that they paid to Zenit St Petersburg in January 2009 and could reason that now is the time to do so, as Arshavin has two years to run on his contract and there has been little desire on either side to open negotiations over fresh terms. The difficulty, though, would be to find a club willing to match his £85,000-a-week wage.

It may come as a surprise to realise that Arshavin is comfortably Arsenal's appearance leader this season, with 51 in all competitions of which 15 have come as a substitute. He has contributed 10 goals, and the Arsenal manager has expressed the view that the forward's "numbers" have been acceptable.

Yet some of his performances have not met the standards expected of him and, for the first time in his Arsenal career, the Russia international has found himself on the outside looking in when Wenger names his strongest XI in the Premier League. Theo Walcott and Samir Nasri have established themselves ahead of Arshavin on the flanks, which has been the source of no little frustration and bemusement to him.

Arshavin has faced questions about his attitude, with a section of the Emirates crowd criticising him for a perceived lack of effort. His laid-back body language does not help in this regard but there has also been a feeling inside the dressing room that Wenger has indulged the player, who turns 30 on Sunday week, absolving him of the responsibility to track back. Arshavin has infuriated some of his team-mates in training with his lack of work ethic.

Wenger has felt that Arshavin's mercurial genius can compensate for the negatives but his patience has worn thin. Arshavin, who is known for his self-confident and outspoken nature, did not help himself last season when, on more than one occasion, he went public over his "dream" of joining Barcelona; even Wenger had to tell him to quieten down.

It is unclear precisely how much money Wenger will have to spend this summer. Supporters, who have been asked to pay an extra 6.5% on their tickets for next season, hope it is a considerable amount though many of them wonder what became of the £39m that Wenger raised through the sales of Kolo Touré and Emmanuel Adebayor to Manchester City in 2009, which did not appear to be reinvested in the squad. Wenger, however, is aware of the need to wheel and deal and Arshavin has been identified as a saleable asset.

The manager, as usual, is channelling most of his efforts into the French and African markets and he is not expected to splash out on expensive, big-name additions. He has said that his priority is to keep his existing key players, chiefly the captain, Cesc Fàbregas, who is a perennial target for his former club Barcelona, and Nasri, who is yet to sign a new contract and is poised to enter the final 12 months of his deal. Gaël Clichy also has 12 months to run but Wenger is confident of Kieran Gibbs's ability to step up, if required.
Title: Re: VICTORIA CONCORDIA CRESCIT
Post by: dwn on May 17, 2011, 09:07:37 PM

i mean to go to the dutch league and hold your own at 18  is no small feat

plus given the drive and ethic far eastern players can show, honda park and that dude from celtic i think this kid can be a star

i dont say it often but  last time i said that was about jack wilshire

I not trying to write the man off because I haven't seen him just saying that the fact he on loan does not bode well. Fabregas and Van Persie never went on loan, they were part of the squad from day one. Wilshere and Ramsey around the same age and they starting now. In fact even Walcott went straight into the team at 17.

He could very well be a good player but most of these players end up in a loan-reserve-loan cycle before eventually getting moved on, especially strikers.

Wilshere went on loan and the next season he was a starter. And although he didn't have the same success, Vela went on loan and got first team chances the next season. So I don't think going on loan is necessarily a bad sign. I think the team Wenger allows them to go to also reflects the players future prospects. Most of the men who went on loan to lower division teams next break into the squad. But then I know with Wilshere and Vela he specifically wanted them to be loaned to other teams in the EPL. In the end, I think it all comes down to the competition in your position. It's worked out differently for different players.  If Arshavin and Bendtner leave and he have a good preseason, you never know.
Title: Re: VICTORIA CONCORDIA CRESCIT
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on May 18, 2011, 06:53:18 AM
I think the extensive use of loans is a fairly recent thing, maybe more so in the last 3-5 years. Giving young fellas some first team experience when you can't justify playing them without risking your team ambitions. As dwn said, Wilshere went on loan. Ramsey has been loaned out twice this season alone to build up his match fitness after coming back from his Shawcrossed leg.

Stunner I think you referring to Shunsuke Nakamura. About Ryo I watched a download of the Feyenoord-Heerenveen game yesterday and he looked decent. He has a tendency to get caught on the ball and needs some upper body strength, but those aren't serious long-term issues for a teenage player. It might hinder his adjustment to the Prem though. Better hit the weights this summer. And although he's left footed his right isn't bad. The man have some touches. Pace is decent too but could use a bit of improving. And his vision is excellent. Of course that was only one game.


i mean to go to the dutch league and hold your own at 18  is no small feat

plus given the drive and ethic far eastern players can show, honda park and that dude from celtic i think this kid can be a star

i dont say it often but  last time i said that was about jack wilshire

I not trying to write the man off because I haven't seen him just saying that the fact he on loan does not bode well. Fabregas and Van Persie never went on loan, they were part of the squad from day one. Wilshere and Ramsey around the same age and they starting now. In fact even Walcott went straight into the team at 17.

He could very well be a good player but most of these players end up in a loan-reserve-loan cycle before eventually getting moved on, especially strikers.

Wilshere went on loan and the next season he was a starter. And although he didn't have the same success, Vela went on loan and got first team chances the next season. So I don't think going on loan is necessarily a bad sign. I think the team Wenger allows them to go to also reflects the players future prospects. Most of the men who went on loan to lower division teams next break into the squad. But then I know with Wilshere and Vela he specifically wanted them to be loaned to other teams in the EPL. In the end, I think it all comes down to the competition in your position. It's worked out differently for different players.  If Arshavin and Bendtner leave and he have a good preseason, you never know.
Title: Re: VICTORIA CONCORDIA CRESCIT
Post by: JDB on May 18, 2011, 08:25:13 AM
I think the extensive use of loans is a fairly recent thing, maybe more so in the last 3-5 years. Giving young fellas some first team experience when you can't justify playing them without risking your team ambitions. As dwn said, Wilshere went on loan. Ramsey has been loaned out twice this season alone to build up his match fitness after coming back from his Shawcrossed leg.

Stunner I think you referring to Shunsuke Nakamura. About Ryo I watched a download of the Feyenoord-Heerenveen game yesterday and he looked decent. He has a tendency to get caught on the ball and needs some upper body strength, but those aren't serious long-term issues for a teenage player. It might hinder his adjustment to the Prem though. Better hit the weights this summer. And although he's left footed his right isn't bad. The man have some touches. Pace is decent too but could use a bit of improving. And his vision is excellent. Of course that was only one game.


i mean to go to the dutch league and hold your own at 18  is no small feat

plus given the drive and ethic far eastern players can show, honda park and that dude from celtic i think this kid can be a star

i dont say it often but  last time i said that was about jack wilshire

I not trying to write the man off because I haven't seen him just saying that the fact he on loan does not bode well. Fabregas and Van Persie never went on loan, they were part of the squad from day one. Wilshere and Ramsey around the same age and they starting now. In fact even Walcott went straight into the team at 17.

He could very well be a good player but most of these players end up in a loan-reserve-loan cycle before eventually getting moved on, especially strikers.

Wilshere went on loan and the next season he was a starter. And although he didn't have the same success, Vela went on loan and got first team chances the next season. So I don't think going on loan is necessarily a bad sign. I think the team Wenger allows them to go to also reflects the players future prospects. Most of the men who went on loan to lower division teams next break into the squad. But then I know with Wilshere and Vela he specifically wanted them to be loaned to other teams in the EPL. In the end, I think it all comes down to the competition in your position. It's worked out differently for different players.  If Arshavin and Bendtner leave and he have a good preseason, you never know.

yes Wilshere and Ramsey went on loan but I was really looking at forwards developing at big clubs. They just don't get the time at big clubs unless you could see that they good enough at 17-21 and they get the playing time. Bendtner in the squad now but he is 23 and he spend a long stretch on loan. He is clearly not good enough and is not getting time at Arsenal. Even Vela is 22 and went on several loans, doing well at every stop. How does he stack up to the strikers at the other big clubs right now? You think Arsenal could put their hopes in him next season?

"In general" the young strikers who make it all the through at big clubs are the ones who have prodigious talent and play as full members of the first team squad from young.
Title: Re: VICTORIA CONCORDIA CRESCIT
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on May 18, 2011, 09:37:46 AM
Well to be honest with you I don't know enough about that particular situation (strikers on loan) to draw any conclusions. Theoretically it makes sense to me but I can't comment intelligently on how successful a practice it is. I have seen Wellbeck a couple times and he looked very good. Same of Daniel Sturridge. Whether or not this fits into opportunities with their parent clubs I guess time will tell (Although Sturridge might have a better time given Kalou's poor performances for Chelski). As for Vela, I watched him a few times on loan this season and I haven't been impressed. I still think he has the ability as I have seen what he is capable of on occasion for Arsenal and Mexico but he has had more than enough chances to prove himself, and given that I believe Arsenal has to make some hard decisions about players this summer, especially with strikers, I think he has not done enough to warrant a place in the team.

Bendtner, to me, is good but not a top level striker. I like him as a player and a personality and I hope he stays but given his self regard and ambitions I don't think he will fit well with Arsenal's needs. He may flourish at another club and to be honest, when he was the only fit striker for the late portion of last season he was doing the business.

yes Wilshere and Ramsey went on loan but I was really looking at forwards developing at big clubs. They just don't get the time at big clubs unless you could see that they good enough at 17-21 and they get the playing time. Bendtner in the squad now but he is 23 and he spend a long stretch on loan. He is clearly not good enough and is not getting time at Arsenal. Even Vela is 22 and went on several loans, doing well at every stop. How does he stack up to the strikers at the other big clubs right now? You think Arsenal could put their hopes in him next season?

"In general" the young strikers who make it all the through at big clubs are the ones who have prodigious talent and play as full members of the first team squad from young.
Title: Re: VICTORIA CONCORDIA CRESCIT
Post by: JDB on May 18, 2011, 11:13:44 AM
Well to be honest with you I don't know enough about that particular situation (strikers on loan) to draw any conclusions. Theoretically it makes sense to me but I can't comment intelligently on how successful a practice it is. I have seen Wellbeck a couple times and he looked very good. Same of Daniel Sturridge. Whether or not this fits into opportunities with their parent clubs I guess time will tell (Although Sturridge might have a better time given Kalou's poor performances for Chelski). As for Vela, I watched him a few times on loan this season and I haven't been impressed. I still think he has the ability as I have seen what he is capable of on occasion for Arsenal and Mexico but he has had more than enough chances to prove himself, and given that I believe Arsenal has to make some hard decisions about players this summer, especially with strikers, I think he has not done enough to warrant a place in the team.

Bendtner, to me, is good but not a top level striker. I like him as a player and a personality and I hope he stays but given his self regard and ambitions I don't think he will fit well with Arsenal's needs. He may flourish at another club and to be honest, when he was the only fit striker for the late portion of last season he was doing the business.


I mostly going off my experience watching United players. The only young forwards to come through at United in the past 20 years are Scholes, Rooney and Ronaldo. All went straight into the first team squad.

Then it have a long list of others who rip up in the youth team, the reserves and went on loan to develop and just never make it to the first team. Healy, Nardiello, Ebanks-Blake, Campbell, Danny Webber.

Then I look at Rossi. He was only getting small sweat and loans as a 18 and 19 year old. Make a permanent move to a smaller club and start playing full time as a 20 year old and now he is one of the best players in the world. He would have never developed his craft as well competing with Berbatov, Tevez, Rooney and Ronaldo.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: D.H.W on May 18, 2011, 11:32:59 AM
Sooo , this thread was made in 2007, 120 pages & no trophy has been won. Hmmm. Sorry i could not resist  :devil:
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on May 18, 2011, 12:59:40 PM
Oh yeah. We had totally forgotten this tired old saw about no trophies. Here I was going merrily along thinking we had won Quadruples every year since 2008. Thanks for fixing that! Classless dickhead.

Sooo , this thread was made in 2007, 120 pages & no trophy has been won. Hmmm. Sorry i could not resist  :devil:
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Post by: D.H.W on May 18, 2011, 01:34:35 PM
 :rotfl: ah sorry , forgive me
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 18, 2011, 04:04:17 PM
Sooo , this thread was made in 2007, 120 pages & no trophy has been won. Hmmm. Sorry i could not resist  :devil:

sooo fergie + 20years + xtrophies = 1Billion in debt  :clown:
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Post by: D.H.W on May 18, 2011, 04:42:37 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 19, 2011, 07:46:32 AM
no news is good news?
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on May 19, 2011, 08:32:53 AM
Well I suppose we may see Ryo after all.

Arsene Wenger impressed by Ryo Miyaichi progress as Japan striker presses claims for place in first-team squad

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/8523791/Arsene-Wenger-impressed-by-Ryo-Miyaichi-progress-as-Japan-striker-presses-claims-for-place-in-first-team-squad.html

By Telegraph staff and agencies 1:58PM BST 19 May 2011

The 18-year-old striker was loaned to Feyenoord after signing a long-term deal with Arsenal in January and has impressed in the Dutch top flight.

Wenger revealed if all goes well, then the club could consider applying for a work permit for Miyaichi ahead of the 2011/2012 campaign.

"I have only [heard] positive reports about him. He will be with us in pre-season," the Frenchman said.

"I think he is good enough, but if he is ready enough to have a place in our team, we will ask for a work permit and try to get him in.

"What I like about Ryo is that he has good timing with his runs and understands when to go and where to go. That is something very important.

"He is a boy who went straight from school football to professional football and straight away was the best player in Feyenoord."

Miyaichi has been called up to the Japanese Under-23 squad aiming to qualify for the 2012 Olympics, which could in turn boost his application with the Home Office.

Wenger added: "He looks a very promising boy and everybody who went to watch him has been hugely impressed by him. Ryo is a character and a great football player."
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Post by: Touches on May 19, 2011, 12:06:20 PM
Me ent want to hear bout no youth, no promise, no talent.

Bring in a proven big shotta.

Dais the difference between side dat does win ting and also rans....

Every big squad in the world have a top 20+ striker and a supporting cast who giving you 10+

Van Persie is a big striker but he is crocked...and cannot last.

without him we ent have shit...Chamak is a try hard, but he ent no deadly fwd, bendtner is a shithound and dais it Arsenal have nuttin else. Walcott have speed and skill but he dunce and is not a fwd yet.

No wonder we cyar win shit...In fact Wenger could get a man like Bent, Carlton Cole even Kenwyne and get more goals than what he currently have.

Goal Scoring is an Art...finding the back of the net is a talent few have, yuh hadda pay BIG MONEY to get that.

When yuh pay peanuts yuh get monkeys, and when yuh offer hay/grass yuh does get Goats.

Wenger should ask Harry Bout Scouting players and getting good men for Cheap.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on May 19, 2011, 12:22:15 PM
Agreed. All big teams except Arsenal have at least 2 big strikers. All we have is RvP. In the glory days we had Thierry and Dennis the Menace. I like Chamakh though. I think he will be great in a year or 2 but we need someone now. Agree with you about Bent. Always wondered why he didn't play at a bigger name club, the man is ah Arsenal fan from small too. Carlton Cole and Kenwyne I ent so sure bout nah. To me dem is mid table strikers at best. Bendtner as well He could play backup.

They need to start training Theo as a striker SOON. Him playing up front with Robin as a pure #10 could tear defences apart. They would have to play deep to counter his pace, which would give van Persie huge amounts of space to operate in. Think of how Rooney plays when he's behind Hernandez, or Bergy back in the day behind Thierry. I know that is Cesc spot and he can do the same there, if they put RvP out on the left wing. That would create a plan B formation without having to play any subs.

Me ent want to hear bout no youth, no promise, no talent.

Bring in a proven big shotta.

Dais the difference between side dat does win ting and also rans....

Every big squad in the world have a top 20+ striker and a supporting cast who giving you 10+

Van Persie is a big striker but he is crocked...and cannot last.

without him we ent have shit...Chamak is a try hard, but he ent no deadly fwd, bendtner is a shithound and dais it Arsenal have nuttin else. Walcott have speed and skill but he dunce and is not a fwd yet.

No wonder we cyar win shit...In fact Wenger could get a man like Bent, Carlton Cole even Kenwyne and get more goals than what he currently have.

Goal Scoring is an Art...finding the back of the net is a talent few have, yuh hadda pay BIG MONEY to get that.

When yuh pay peanuts yuh get monkeys, and when yuh offer hay/grass yuh does get Goats.

Wenger should ask Harry Bout Scouting players and getting good men for Cheap.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: dinho on May 19, 2011, 01:21:27 PM
I disagree with allyuh men.

Scoring is and never has been a problem for Arsenal. The team is dependent on Van Persie for the bulk of goals but even when he was out, all them small nippy men in the side pick up the slack. You could probably count on one hand the number of times Arsenal were held goalless home and away all season and I am sure if you pull a statistics of chances per match Arsenal right on top.

What Arsenal have to do is spend some judgement paper and buy a world class goalkeeper, a world class central defender and a world class defensive mid...... But wait, lemme stop here because this is probably the same post i make in this thread the last 3 years running. I said at the start of the year, if Arsenal dig in their pocket and shell out for Yaya Toure, a namebrand center back and a keeper they would win the league easily.

Arsenal need to stop lying to fans and acting like they so financially constrained when they are probably the most profitably run club in the EPL. If Wenger was to ups and ride out tomorrow there is no coach who would make their cheapness a sustainable habit, and they would have to spend paper just like everybody else to compete. Spend some judgement paper and win something which will bring prize money and the knock on revenue from merchandising etc. But no men wanna line their pockets.

Either that or just come out and admit to the world that the club is more interested in generating a profit than winning trophies and stop playing their fans for a bunch of fools. Imagine this club was bending on paying an extra $1m for Mark Schwarzer... That buy was worth at least 5-10 extra points in the league and the Carling Cup trophy... Madness!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: dwn on May 19, 2011, 03:45:44 PM
My opinions in rambling form .....

1. Arsenal better with Chamakh on the field. For all the goals van Persie scored, the team is better off with a point man in the lineup. Moving forward, Wenger has to find a way to play them both.

2. Bendtner real improve, he is not a bad player, but he is not as good as Chamakh. The difference is that Chamakh has quicker feet and works harder.

3. Arshavin is being wasted on the wing. He lost some of his speed and he doesn't have the physicality to battle it out with more athletic players. But he is one of the most talented players on Arsenal's team and has an eye for goal when in the final third. It's a pitty arsenal has so many attacking central midfielders because he would be able to make a much better impact playing behind the striker.

4. If players can stay fit, Arsenal doesn't need another center back that bad as they need a deep lying central midfielder. Djourou, Vermalen & Koscielny at CB is better than having just Song as a DM. While Djourou and Koscielny are getting better, Denilson is regressing. And I don't consider Diaby, Wilshere or Ramsey to be defensive minded.

5. For all the talent these guys have, I don't think Wilshere & Ramsey, as a central midfield partnership, have what it takes to lead Arsenal to the league title - at least not yet. Which leads to another point.

5. Arsenal should try their best to Fabregas. I don't care how talented Nasri is, he does not have the football brain that Fabregas has.

6. Gibbs is not a very good defender. Was he converted from left mid to defence? If so, it shows.

7. Arsenal needs a left winger. As mentioned before Arshavin doesn't seem to handle it when up against physical players, bendtner is not a winger, and Nasri, Rosicky etc are really more suited to the central attacking mid role. What about Wilshere on left wing? I think I recall Wenger saying he didn't have the pace for it. But remember how well he did there in the Emirates cup? And with his work rate and fight he will help the left back defensively. Or maybe Vela could finally fulfill his potential. Or sign Downing? Adam Johnson?

8. Maybe Arsenal needs to change their formation.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 19, 2011, 05:32:44 PM
all specualtion wil lead to heart burn n sleepless nights lol

only specualtion worth making is when transfer window close and we see who stay who gone and who come in

that said

boot out squillachi, keep JD TV n LK buy samba/cahill,

keep sagna clichy, sell if yuh can eboue but he is a utility and can help out (if he not on bezerko mode) send gibbs back to reserves, buy a true left back

keep cesc, nasri, song, wilshire, ramsey, frimpong let go rosicky n denilson buy a back up for song and a left winger

fack way with bendtner and vela, too much space for no return, keep AA Chamkh n RVP, buy another big name striker, let JET make some subs and build confidence


then make sure everybody bloodthirsty and starving for success not settling for moderation
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on May 19, 2011, 07:12:06 PM
all specualtion wil lead to heart burn n sleepless nights lol

only specualtion worth making is when transfer window close and we see who stay who gone and who come in

that said

boot out squillachi, keep JD TV n LK buy samba/cahill,

keep sagna clichy, sell if yuh can eboue but he is a utility and can help out (if he not on bezerko mode) send gibbs back to reserves, buy a true left back

keep cesc, nasri, song, wilshire, ramsey, frimpong let go rosicky n denilson buy a back up for song and a left winger

fack way with bendtner and vela, too much space for no return, keep AA Chamkh n RVP, buy another big name striker, let JET make some subs and build confidence


then make sure everybody bloodthirsty and starving for success not settling for moderation


Hulk, Fernando LLORENTE  or Falcao are good options up front. Samba and Sergiy Kryvtsov,  I like very much.
Some holding Mids options are Franco Zuculini, Ognjen Vukojević, Gojko Kacar
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on May 19, 2011, 08:35:53 PM
Not sure I fully agree with it but interesting.

The Arsenal Column
Arsenal Analysis, Tactics and Editorials

Crossing is football’s greatest divide
May 18, 2011

http://arsenalcolumn.co.uk/?p=8703

An interesting sub-context to this season has been the running battle between Arsenal and Tottenham Hotspur fans to “prove” who is the “better player”; Theo Walcott or Gareth Bale. Of course, such debates can only be subjective but Spurs currently have the bragging rights on this one as Bale is the PFA Player of the Year. However, if such awards were decided by numbers than intuitive feelings, then perhaps the outcome would have been closer, with arguably Theo Walcott nipping it ahead of the Welshman. (Although we do realise, statistics are not all-conclusive on their own and it is a matter of interpretation).
 

In the league, Walcott has played two-thirds of the minutes Bale has played – a victory in its own right for the Tottenham winger – but still trumps him on goals scored, 8-7, and has made seven assists to Bale’s paltry one. However, Bale has created more chances which, in some ways, displays his consistency although it is probably higher because there is a greater concomitant responsibility to create at Tottenham than at Arsenal where there are more ball-players. In this regard, Bale leads 49-19 although it is much closer in the dribbling success stakes with Walcott having a 37% success rate and Bale marginally more with 39%.
 
What this shows is that while Bale’s numbers are not any more impressive, he does offer more of a visceral joy to fans and that’s perhaps why he has been so captivating this season. On the other hand, the use of the same criteria to judge Walcott has often been his downfall as, although he can occasionally frustrate, his game carries more intricacies than many first realise. But there is a much more interesting reason for looking at these numbers, beyond a way of appraising the two talents, because they confirm to me something that I have always long suspected.
 
Walcott’s game is more about timing runs and delivering measured passes free of the full-back while Bale’s is more cavalier; more concerned with getting to the by-line and putting the ball into the box. Therefore bearing the two styles in mind; if you take the relative chances the two players create in comparison to the assists they make, it proves to me that Bale’s supposed strength – delivering crosses into the box – is highly inefficient at producing goals.
 
That’s not to be construed as an attack on Bale because his explosiveness and ability stretch play has been key to Spurs’ success while the team itself has profited massively from crosses, usually in the form of knock-downs by Peter Crouch. But his statistics can be used a general observation because they are eerily similar to the overall Premier League crossing figures.
 
In the league this season, 27% of all goals scored have come from crosses – a fair proportion one would have to agree but that is put into perspective when you consider that 1.6% of ALL crosses lead to goals – a very low ratio indeed. Bale’s return is close to 2% – 1 assist out of 49 – and that’s not counting those unsuccessful, which will have pushed his percentage even further down. You could compare his figures to Theo Walcott’s which is at 42% but even that is skewed as the Arsenal player has attempted a high number of crosses that have led to nothing. Even so, it gives a good idea of the efficiencies of the two styles thus confirming a thing or two about crossing. Firstly, it’s an art very reliant on quantity – arguably more so than the quality of the cross – while the strategy is of the most success if you are willing to have the patience to persevere, all the while, relying on a bit of luck as well.
 
Crossing: The everyman’s strategy
 
When Arsenal drew with Tottenham 3-3 in a pulsating encounter last month, a total of 28 crosses were delivered and the fact that two of them led to goals suggests, however, that crossing is maybe not such an ineffective tactic. Inefficient perhaps, but that’s the thing with crossing; it only needs to work once in a match for it to be deemed worthwhile because it’s an easily discernible tactic.  Indeed, if football’s primary objective is to score, what’s more identifiable than a ball aimed into the danger area as often as possible thus (theoretically) increasing the likelihood of a goal? In Britain, it’s that sort of thinking that perhaps helps explain why many fans might resonate more with a direct game than a tentative and prolonged passing sequence because the purpose is far more conspicuous.
 
Arsenal have often been accused of not doing enough with their crossing; a claim which has its basis because the team rarely gambles in the box as much is it should do. Yet, Arsenal’s style is not that it encourages crosses in its spate loads, as we’ve deciphered a crossing game requires.  Their way of playing the ball on the ground, featuring moves with an emphasis on quick, accurate passes mean crosses are inevitably reduced to just another, occasional way of varying play. There are times, however, when Arsenal are in promising wide positions but instead of working the ball around, they hastily deliver the ball into the box. The team would be better off holding onto the ball, looking for a gap to open up rather than putting the ball in which, most of the time, will be cleared thus restarting the move. Perhaps the aimless crossing is symptomatic of the increasing anxiety amongst the fans rubbing off onto the players which is muddling up the identity. Certainly, there is a visible rush of panic whenever Bakary Sagna or Gael Clichy in particular pick up the ball, weighing up whether to hold onto it or appease the masses and put the ball into the mixer. By crossing, though, they may be passing up an opportunity to create a better chance elsewhere.
 
Of course, you could say that the title was won and lost by Manchester United and Arsenal respectively due to the effectiveness of wing-play. United’s success this season has been all about stretching the play thus making them unpredictable and getting the ball into the box, a notion backed up by the fact they have scored the most headed goals this season. Against Everton, a late headed goal by Javier Hernandez from an Antonio Valencia cross, allowed them to maintain their distance over their rivals while Arsenal, in the following week, relinquished (an albeit late) lead to draw with Liverpool. Arsenal’s troubles in that game and indeed, the two goalless draws beforehand at the Emirates (Sunderland and Blackburn), was that they failed to break down the packed defence. Those frustrations are the main reasons why fans might clamour for a more direct game although looking at the statistics for the Liverpool game in particular, the team plundered 31 crosses from open play but alas, to no avail. If crossing is the solution, why didn’t it come to The Gunners rescue to save their season?
 
What Liverpool, and the other teams who have faced Arsenal at home, successfully did is deny the space behind; the area which Arsenal have had the most success this campaign. Their style, which was particularly effective earlier this season, was to get the two wide-men, usually Samir Nasri and Theo Walcott, in between the full-back and central defender to get in through on goal. “Like every player that is good on the ball he was too much attracted by the ball,” said Wenger of Samir Nasri’s role. “We wanted him to do more runs off the ball, going in behind [the defence] without the ball because we have many players who can give him the ball.”
 
Arsenal’s forte is the combination play around the flanks; although they have the second worst crossing success rate in the league behind Manchester City at 19%, completing 156 out of 813 crosses, the example highlights two clubs who have put a great emphasis on the interplay on the flanks as opposed to just putting the ball in. The trend is also the same at the top level. Take the Champions League for example; the preference for combination play has led to the almost universal use of wingers playing on the opposite side or “inverted wingers” as it has been coined by some.  As a result, goals from crosses, traditionally the most fruitful route to goal in the competition, have decreased by 20% from the previous season. And due to the propensity for those wingers to cut inside and create openings, perhaps it’s no surprise that goals from long range now account to 23.4% of goals scored in the Champions League in 2009/10. City, who now look likely to qualify directly ahead of Arsenal in the competition, play both David Silva and Adam Johnson, on the wrong, the latter of which Roberto Mancini has highlighted as a key member of their dynamics.
 
Barcelona have shown the importance of wide-men as contributing to goals although it must be recognised the key difference between the roles of their wide-men and those of that at Manchester United or Tottenham Hotspur for example. The two English clubs deploy box-to-box wingers while Pep Guardiola’s side and Arsenal, with Theo Walcott in particularly, utilise wide forwards who have less onus to create.
 
There will be times, however, when Arsenal style falters and crossing becomes a viable tactic as we’ve seen in the 2-2 comeback against West Bromwich Albion and the late consolation with Aston Villa recently. The 4-4-2 can become the Plan B although it seems Arsenal may not have the personnel to execute a direct game. Marouanne Chamakh prefers linking the play as his primary mode of playing and that’s perhaps why him and Robin van Persie hasn’t quite worked as a front two. The two examples where Arsenal succeeded with crossing does have one constant: Nicklas Bendtner who was the target in each of those games and was his mercurial best when The Gunners defeated Leyton Orient 5-0. The Dane, however, will himself admit he hasn’t done enough to hold down a place but will argue more strongly, he hasn’t been given enough chances to be Arsenal’s alternative option.
 
If anything, the responsibility of crossing has been shifted to the full-backs as they are the players in the modern game who usually have the most space. As Jonathan Wilson writes for World Soccer magazine, “overlapping is the norm” and certainly, with opponents general defending deep and narrow against Arsenal, it becomes more apt to get the full-backs involved. However, Bakary Sagna and Gael Clichy, despite the improvements in their distribution, continue to frustrate as crosses are most of the time wasted. But we probably shouldn’t be too harsh on them because teams are purposely set-up that way. You’ll often hear, whenever sides play Arsenal, that their game plan is to concede the flanks, defending deep and narrow so crosses have little to aim at. The dense crowding of modern-day penalty areas mean the object of most crosses become more about hope than about accuracy but for Arsenal perhaps it’s more the case. Manchester United might get away with endless streams of crosses into the box because their play is open, more unpredictable and playing the ball into the box continuously is unrelenting on the defence. Arsenal are easier to read as crosses become almost a last resort; when ideas start to wane and passing options more crowded. If that’s the case, the opponent is usually doing their job.
 
If Arsenal want to improve their all-round game, they should learn from the 1-0 win over Manchester United. It’s interesting Arséne Wenger keeps on mentioning these three games as Arsenal’s blueprint for the coming season – Chelsea 3-1, Barcelona 2-1 and Manchester United 1-0 – and in regards to the latter, The Gunners were lauded for a greater commitment to crossing despite not actually profiting. However, by concentrating at what they do best thus getting more options around the box, they looked more menacing with the ball played in from wide areas. Wenger has declared Arsenal won’t buy a wide player next season although I’d argue they do need to; though one who offers more of a dynamic threat, improving on the style now rather than just putting the ball in the box. Of course, that’s not to say crossing as a whole should be abandoned; just that it shouldn’t be seen as a primary mode of playing but as a way of complementing Arsenal’s play when it’s dynamic and interchanging.
 
Arsenal must stick to their identity rather than looking to appease the masses and trying to find a middle ground. It just doesn’t suit the team’s style and they would be better off holding the ball, looking to open up space with their passing and movement. Indeed, when your style is as beautiful and enthralling as The Gunners’ who needs to cross the ball – an often inaccurate and haphazard way of finding a team-mate? Not Arsenal.
 

*NB: Statistics with thanks to OPTA and @Orbinho. Overall Premier League crossing figures are correct of 25 April and Walcott/Bale comparisons on 10 April
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on May 20, 2011, 08:26:55 AM
So Denilson announced today he is leaving Arsenal by "mutual consent" for a better chance of silverware. I'm not sure if he means for him or the club.

 :rotfl:

First piece of deadweight cut. Hope we get a good fee for him but I wouldn't be too optimistic about that.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: JDB on May 20, 2011, 08:39:34 AM
I reading this statement and it reading like a April Fools Joke.

Denilson heading for Euro move (http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/premierleague/story/denilson-heading-for-euro-move)

Denilson will leave Arsenal this summer after the 'worst season of his life' and a fifth year at the Emirates Stadium without winning a trophy.

Denilson joined Arsenal in the summer of 2006 from Sao Paulo and has grown tired of the club's lack of success. The Gunners have not won a trophy since the FA Cup in 2005.

"This has been the worst season of my life, and I am so upset," the 23-year-old said in The Sun.

"I am a winner and I came here to win trophies but I've been here for five years and won nothing. Until Arsenal stop throwing away silly points in stupid games nothing will change.

"I've simply been to see Arsene Wenger and told him how I felt and he's agreed to let me go.

"A footballer's career is over very quickly so it is time for me to move on. I made up my mind eight months ago. I was fed up of coming home and feeling down.

"I know some people think I'm crazy. I need a fresh challenge and although I know I'm taking a big gamble I am ready to take that risk.

"I can't see myself returning in a Chelsea shirt, or Liverpool or Manchester City - and definitely not Tottenham. I think my future will be in Spain or Italy."

Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: giggsy11 on May 20, 2011, 09:38:43 AM
I reading this statement and it reading like a April Fools Joke.

Denilson heading for Euro move (http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/premierleague/story/denilson-heading-for-euro-move)

Denilson will leave Arsenal this summer after the 'worst season of his life' and a fifth year at the Emirates Stadium without winning a trophy.

Denilson joined Arsenal in the summer of 2006 from Sao Paulo and has grown tired of the club's lack of success. The Gunners have not won a trophy since the FA Cup in 2005.

"This has been the worst season of my life, and I am so upset," the 23-year-old said in The Sun.

"I am a winner and I came here to win trophies but I've been here for five years and won nothing. Until Arsenal stop throwing away silly points in stupid games nothing will change.

"I've simply been to see Arsene Wenger and told him how I felt and he's agreed to let me go.

"A footballer's career is over very quickly so it is time for me to move on. I made up my mind eight months ago. I was fed up of coming home and feeling down.

"I know some people think I'm crazy. I need a fresh challenge and although I know I'm taking a big gamble I am ready to take that risk.

"I can't see myself returning in a Chelsea shirt, or Liverpool or Manchester City - and definitely not Tottenham. I think my future will be in Spain or Italy."


Arsenal fans must be devestated!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on May 20, 2011, 09:58:04 AM

When yuh pay peanuts yuh get monkeys, and when yuh offer hay/grass yuh does get Goats.


hahahahahahahahahahah  :rotfl:

Arsenal have real gots to get rid of.

Is best they cut them from all now before looking to bring in fresh blood and integrate them with the goats, thereby contaminating the process.

From them keepers to some of them strikers need to look for a new club.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on May 20, 2011, 10:31:36 AM
I am devastated he ruled out going to Chelsea, Liverpool, Man City and Spurs. He didn't mention your side though Giggsy. A ray of hope for us Gooners? He's really good and Scholes is probably retiring this year. Just saying...

I reading this statement and it reading like a April Fools Joke.

Denilson heading for Euro move (http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/premierleague/story/denilson-heading-for-euro-move)

Denilson will leave Arsenal this summer after the 'worst season of his life' and a fifth year at the Emirates Stadium without winning a trophy.

Denilson joined Arsenal in the summer of 2006 from Sao Paulo and has grown tired of the club's lack of success. The Gunners have not won a trophy since the FA Cup in 2005.

"This has been the worst season of my life, and I am so upset," the 23-year-old said in The Sun.

"I am a winner and I came here to win trophies but I've been here for five years and won nothing. Until Arsenal stop throwing away silly points in stupid games nothing will change.

"I've simply been to see Arsene Wenger and told him how I felt and he's agreed to let me go.

"A footballer's career is over very quickly so it is time for me to move on. I made up my mind eight months ago. I was fed up of coming home and feeling down.

"I know some people think I'm crazy. I need a fresh challenge and although I know I'm taking a big gamble I am ready to take that risk.

"I can't see myself returning in a Chelsea shirt, or Liverpool or Manchester City - and definitely not Tottenham. I think my future will be in Spain or Italy."


Arsenal fans must be devestated!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on May 20, 2011, 10:33:29 AM
dwn just reflecting on what you wrote.

I’m not sure if they are better with Chamakh on the field because of Chamakh or that van Persie is better as a second striker. Chamakh is our best striker to lead the line. I think he will get better, but silverware demands might be getting too loud to be patient about that. You’re right about Bendtner being a decent striker, but having 2 strikers who do pretty much the same thing doesn’t make much sense.

Arshavin’s 2 best games this season were at Villa and home to Fulham when he was in the space behind the main striker (both Nasri and Fabregas were injured I think). He was devastating. I don’t think he has lost much pace either, he just isn’t a winger. It is also the position in which he made his name at Zenit and for Russia. It was downright depressing watching him dismantle Holland in Euro 2008 from that position and he looked the same in those 2 PL games. But that’s Fabregas spot.

Djourou, Vermaelen and Koscielny are all good centre backs. Not world class but close. Squillaci is definitely the weak link, but TV’s injury has exposed them a great deal. Bent’s goals last Sunday were only the 3rd and 4th league goals Arsenal has conceded at home in 2011 (10 games). The first was a dodgy offside goal and second was a penalty. To me, Squillaci was signed to make up numbers and I think Wenger, judging by his language in interviews, has written him off as such. My only issue with that is that they should probably stick Ignasi Miquel in there if they aren’t going to sign a quality player. He probably wouldn’t be much worse and he’s at the start of his career, not the end.

One of Arsenal’s biggest defensive weaknesses has always been the space in front of the centre backs. Look at how many goals they concede from through balls or long shots from midfielders in space. That to me implies what you said about an extra defensive midfielder. It’s not the centre back’s job to defend that space (Vermaelen trying to do that last year is what allowed Messi to destroy them 4-1).

You’re right about Gibbs. He’s a converted winger. Wenger likes to turn attacking or creative players into defenders to ensure technical skill throughout the side. It worked very well in his best team (2001-2004) where only one of his starting defenders (Campbell) was originally a defender (Cashley started as a left-footed striker in the youth teams and Toure and Lauren were both attacking central midfielders). Cashley is probably the most spectacular example of that success, but Gibbs tackling, positioning and decisions are quite poor.

Yes Wilshere’s work rate and physicality would help make up for his lack of pace on that left wing. He played a few league games there early this year and didn’t do badly but yes, Arsenal could do with a left winger. Or if they need a more attacking player they could pull van Persie out there with Chamakh through the middle. Arsenal’s narrow style means they are dependent on attacking fullbacks, and while Sagna is the pick of the division, the left backs don’t measure up.

Arsenal has almost too many attacking central midfielders and only one true winger (Walcott) who Wenger seems intent on turning into a striker. I think this team is really best suited to a 4321 Christmas tree formation such as early 2000s AC Milan with Fabregas in the Pirlo role. With a central midfield packed with creators it was very difficult to stop them. That team really only became great though, when they got a second holding midfielder (Ambrosini) to help out Gattuso. My idea of Arsenal’s best formation is:

GK – Szczesny
4 – Sagna – Djourou/(Koscielny) – Vermaelen – Clichy
3 – Song – Fabregas/(Wilshere) – 2nd Defensive Mid
2 – Nasri/(van Persie) – Arshavin/(Ramsey)
1 – Chamakh/(Walcott)

Here’s a discussion of that ACM team : http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/01/22/teams-of-the-decade-14-milan-2002-07/

Of course this still isn’t ideal and would mean a lot of rotation, and probably another fullback or 2 but this season has taught us a lot about Arsenal’s weaknesses.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: giggsy11 on May 20, 2011, 01:08:24 PM
I am devastated he ruled out going to Chelsea, Liverpool, Man City and Spurs. He didn't mention your side though Giggsy. A ray of hope for us Gooners? He's really good and Scholes is probably retiring this year. Just saying...

I reading this statement and it reading like a April Fools Joke.

Denilson heading for Euro move (http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/premierleague/story/denilson-heading-for-euro-move)

Denilson will leave Arsenal this summer after the 'worst season of his life' and a fifth year at the Emirates Stadium without winning a trophy.

Denilson joined Arsenal in the summer of 2006 from Sao Paulo and has grown tired of the club's lack of success. The Gunners have not won a trophy since the FA Cup in 2005.

"This has been the worst season of my life, and I am so upset," the 23-year-old said in The Sun.

"I am a winner and I came here to win trophies but I've been here for five years and won nothing. Until Arsenal stop throwing away silly points in stupid games nothing will change.

"I've simply been to see Arsene Wenger and told him how I felt and he's agreed to let me go.

"A footballer's career is over very quickly so it is time for me to move on. I made up my mind eight months ago. I was fed up of coming home and feeling down.

"I know some people think I'm crazy. I need a fresh challenge and although I know I'm taking a big gamble I am ready to take that risk.

"I can't see myself returning in a Chelsea shirt, or Liverpool or Manchester City - and definitely not Tottenham. I think my future will be in Spain or Italy."


Arsenal fans must be devestated!

Nah man, he to good for our side! Although I wonder why he didn't rule out our side, think he might throw us a bone?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on May 20, 2011, 01:43:20 PM
I am devastated he ruled out going to Chelsea, Liverpool, Man City and Spurs. He didn't mention your side though Giggsy. A ray of hope for us Gooners? He's really good and Scholes is probably retiring this year. Just saying...

I reading this statement and it reading like a April Fools Joke.

Denilson heading for Euro move (http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/premierleague/story/denilson-heading-for-euro-move)

Denilson will leave Arsenal this summer after the 'worst season of his life' and a fifth year at the Emirates Stadium without winning a trophy.

Denilson joined Arsenal in the summer of 2006 from Sao Paulo and has grown tired of the club's lack of success. The Gunners have not won a trophy since the FA Cup in 2005.

"This has been the worst season of my life, and I am so upset," the 23-year-old said in The Sun.

"I am a winner and I came here to win trophies but I've been here for five years and won nothing. Until Arsenal stop throwing away silly points in stupid games nothing will change.

"I've simply been to see Arsene Wenger and told him how I felt and he's agreed to let me go.

"A footballer's career is over very quickly so it is time for me to move on. I made up my mind eight months ago. I was fed up of coming home and feeling down.

"I know some people think I'm crazy. I need a fresh challenge and although I know I'm taking a big gamble I am ready to take that risk.

"I can't see myself returning in a Chelsea shirt, or Liverpool or Manchester City - and definitely not Tottenham. I think my future will be in Spain or Italy."


Arsenal fans must be devestated!

Nah man, he to good for our side! Although I wonder why he didn't rule out our side, think he might throw us a bone?

With our luck he will go United and Fergie will turn him into the next Xabi Alonso!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 20, 2011, 05:25:47 PM
Don't let the door hit you on the way out sour puss!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on May 20, 2011, 07:07:24 PM
My guess is Denilson realise that Wenger write him off. He just talking up his value for a transfer. You can't blame a player for not being good enough to compete at top level. As you said to me earlier Stunner, he coulda wait till the season done but the man doing what he has to do. I have said some uncharitable things about him but I wish him well. He is not good enough for Arsenal though.

The fact that Wenger is willing to write off players he used to defend and tell people "He's young. Have patience in him" tells me this summer should be different. Every single time I criticise Wenger the man does prove me wrong. Just win a next flickin trophy nah Professor! Long time we ent get some bling.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out sour puss!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: giggsy11 on May 20, 2011, 07:18:18 PM
Denilson must have looked at Rosicky and saw him self 5 years from now. I wonder how a man like Rosicky feel; he wasted 6 years of his prime years at Arsenal. The man just seem content to waste away; he never made a peep about trying tuh go somewhere else tuh change he luck nothing. He must be the creator of that 'In Arsene we trust" banner that hanging in the Emirates. 30ish and what he have tuh show for his career, winner of the Emirates cup in the off season?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on May 20, 2011, 07:24:37 PM
His prime years at Arsenal were wrecked by injury. Now he fit but he past it. His best years were in Germany and the great Czech team of 2004-2006. Sad but it happens to everybody. I feel Wenger must be giving him a bligh. Well we can't have no more passengers on the side.

Denilson must have looked at Rosicky and saw him self 5 years from now. I wonder how a man like Rosicky feel; he wasted 6 years of his prime years at Arsenal. The man just seem content to waste away; he never made a peep about trying tuh go somewhere else tuh change he luck nothing. He must be the creator of that 'In Arsene we trust" banner that hanging in the Emirates. 30ish and what he have tuh show for his career, winner of the Emirates cup in the off season?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: giggsy11 on May 20, 2011, 07:34:46 PM
His prime years at Arsenal were wrecked by injury. Now he fit but he past it. His best years were in Germany and the great Czech team of 2004-2006. Sad but it happens to everybody. I feel Wenger must be giving him a bligh. Well we can't have no more passengers on the side.

Denilson must have looked at Rosicky and saw him self 5 years from now. I wonder how a man like Rosicky feel; he wasted 6 years of his prime years at Arsenal. The man just seem content to waste away; he never made a peep about trying tuh go somewhere else tuh change he luck nothing. He must be the creator of that 'In Arsene we trust" banner that hanging in the Emirates. 30ish and what he have tuh show for his career, winner of the Emirates cup in the off season?

Yeh, he need tuh roll on over tuh Italy, Turkey or Germany. He has brought nothing to the table.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on May 21, 2011, 12:39:27 AM
Doh watch Germany slight eh Giggsy. Spain is the present of European football, but Germany is the future.

His prime years at Arsenal were wrecked by injury. Now he fit but he past it. His best years were in Germany and the great Czech team of 2004-2006. Sad but it happens to everybody. I feel Wenger must be giving him a bligh. Well we can't have no more passengers on the side.

Denilson must have looked at Rosicky and saw him self 5 years from now. I wonder how a man like Rosicky feel; he wasted 6 years of his prime years at Arsenal. The man just seem content to waste away; he never made a peep about trying tuh go somewhere else tuh change he luck nothing. He must be the creator of that 'In Arsene we trust" banner that hanging in the Emirates. 30ish and what he have tuh show for his career, winner of the Emirates cup in the off season?

Yeh, he need tuh roll on over tuh Italy, Turkey or Germany. He has brought nothing to the table.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 21, 2011, 10:45:51 AM
Zee Germans are coming!

Doh watch Germany slight eh Giggsy. Spain is the present of European football, but Germany is the future.

His prime years at Arsenal were wrecked by injury. Now he fit but he past it. His best years were in Germany and the great Czech team of 2004-2006. Sad but it happens to everybody. I feel Wenger must be giving him a bligh. Well we can't have no more passengers on the side.

Denilson must have looked at Rosicky and saw him self 5 years from now. I wonder how a man like Rosicky feel; he wasted 6 years of his prime years at Arsenal. The man just seem content to waste away; he never made a peep about trying tuh go somewhere else tuh change he luck nothing. He must be the creator of that 'In Arsene we trust" banner that hanging in the Emirates. 30ish and what he have tuh show for his career, winner of the Emirates cup in the off season?

Yeh, he need tuh roll on over tuh Italy, Turkey or Germany. He has brought nothing to the table.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on May 21, 2011, 11:48:35 AM
Denilson must have looked at Rosicky and saw him self 5 years from now. I wonder how a man like Rosicky feel; he wasted 6 years of his prime years at Arsenal. The man just seem content to waste away; he never made a peep about trying tuh go somewhere else tuh change he luck nothing. He must be the creator of that 'In Arsene we trust" banner that hanging in the Emirates. 30ish and what he have tuh show for his career, winner of the Emirates cup in the off season?

In truth dansteel, he has been very unlucky. Constantly injured, so much so he has only managed 90 games in 5 years at Arsenal. Giggsy maybe he feels the clubs has stuck by him through his troubles & wants a chance to really pay them back with a full season.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: dwn on May 21, 2011, 01:24:06 PM
My guess is Denilson realise that Wenger write him off. He just talking up his value for a transfer. You can't blame a player for not being good enough to compete at top level. As you said to me earlier Stunner, he coulda wait till the season done but the man doing what he has to do. I have said some uncharitable things about him but I wish him well. He is not good enough for Arsenal though.

The fact that Wenger is willing to write off players he used to defend and tell people "He's young. Have patience in him" tells me this summer should be different. Every single time I criticise Wenger the man does prove me wrong. Just win a next flickin trophy nah Professor! Long time we ent get some bling.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out sour puss!

any body remember when denilson first broke into arsenal's squad? correct me if i'm wrong but it was the start of the 2007 season. the man was real good. tough with decent technique. he had flamini on the bench, and at the time everyone was talking about his promise and how talented he was. then he got injured, and flamini stepped in and had the season of his life...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 22, 2011, 10:34:05 PM
Time for some dead limbs to be trimmed

I am glad we finished 4th now wenger has many questions to answer
The players have even more to ask of themselves
The board however couldn't give two shits as they making money
Yet the AST don't want single ownership of the club when what they should say is they wish It was some one british and not yankee or russian with the money to stump up to buy arsenal

Revolucion! Time to shake things up!


Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 23, 2011, 05:23:05 AM
Who is Ricky Alvarez?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on May 23, 2011, 08:49:38 AM
Left winger/ attacking midfielder for Velez Sarsfield. I have no idea about his quality but I agree with dwn's contention that we need a left winger. Won't complain if we have Ryo and Alvarez and they aren't rubbish. 2 quick left footed (or 2 footed in Ryo's case) players would be the missing link in Arsenal's attack I believe.

Who is Ricky Alvarez?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 23, 2011, 09:05:26 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Us0IvCKFTE&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Us0IvCKFTE&feature=related)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeSIgyfG1sc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeSIgyfG1sc)


interesting

wonder how english defensive mids and defenders will relish cutting him in half

nice small touches, speed, good left foot, but he's argentinian  :-[ so i see diving in our future if we do sign him

he plays on the rigth sometimes, so can be a reverse henry if you like

and he can cross
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 23, 2011, 09:19:55 AM
i want leighton baines, sell clichy
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on May 23, 2011, 09:33:07 AM
Dunno. Argentine def. mids are pretty physical. Maybe not Premier League level but they ent backward. And we already have divers on our team. Eboue? Chamakh? Of course the diving figures will probably at least double with an Argentine winger, but then van Persie can take more free kicks from the left.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Us0IvCKFTE&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Us0IvCKFTE&feature=related)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeSIgyfG1sc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeSIgyfG1sc)


interesting

wonder how english defensive mids and defenders will relish cutting him in half

nice small touches, speed, good left foot, but he's argentinian  :-[ so i see diving in our future if we do sign him

he plays on the rigth sometimes, so can be a reverse henry if you like

and he can cross

Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 23, 2011, 06:15:45 PM
He aint no definsive mid that's for sure!

I see Bendtner taking in front now, he Pops saying he want to leave, too funny

Because all wenger talking about is getting nasri n clichy to sign before we end up with another flamini times 2

Wenger better make sure he sells denilson bendtner rosicky to non EPL teams and ones who unlikely to cross our paths in Champs league (providing we qualify) former gunners have a nasty habit of scoring against us!

So bye bye Nicholas
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 25, 2011, 06:17:25 PM
Time to lock off football for a few weeks

Nothing we do or say here will make a diff

Clear the brain enjoy some summer time friends n family

And check in when friendlies n tours start and only study who sign papers and not what signs the papers selling

There must be a 12 step program to this somewhere
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on May 26, 2011, 07:27:41 AM
"Every once in a while, you catch a glimpse of a world that doesn't begin in August and end in May"

Time to lock off football for a few weeks

Nothing we do or say here will make a diff

Clear the brain enjoy some summer time friends n family

And check in when friendlies n tours start and only study who sign papers and not what signs the papers selling

There must be a 12 step program to this somewhere

Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: DeSoWa on May 26, 2011, 11:12:46 AM
Rumours has it that Arsenal in very interested in Falcoa from Porto.

Big Up!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on May 26, 2011, 11:29:19 AM
He has already said he wanted to play for Porto in the Champions League next year though. I dunno. Big striker needed though. I would prefer Benzema but I cyah see Wenger coughing up the cash. Even though he needs to.

Rumours has it that Arsenal in very interested in Falcoa from Porto.

Big Up!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 27, 2011, 06:56:05 AM
all quiet on the signings front

wish my club communicated more substansial info with the fans than the patronising drivel on the web site
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on May 27, 2011, 07:55:07 AM
That would be too unprofessional. I share your desire to know how they plan to strengthen the squad but transfer negotiation is big money, difficult legal maneuvering. Real "swimming with the sharks" business. It's a real bad idea to broadcast that stuff to the media.

I think the club recognises the fans desire to know and that's why they put stuff there but they shouldn't because it just makes us fans want more. They should just have in big 40 point block capitals

"IT IS A VIOLATION OF ARSENAL POLICY TO PUBLICLY DISCUSS TRANSFER BUSINESS"

Talk done. Anybody who asks about it should just be told to kindly take a spoonful of Buckley's, because entertaining those questions just messes with the club's business. I would personally LOVE to hear more. I am dying to know if Wenger really trying to sign Falcao, or Benzema, as the rumours go. I understand that public info about that could real mess up the side though, so I go smile and take dat. When transfer window done, then I go make noise.

all quiet on the signings front

wish my club communicated more substansial info with the fans than the patronising drivel on the web site
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 27, 2011, 08:27:57 AM
That would be too unprofessional. I share your desire to know how they plan to strengthen the squad but transfer negotiation is big money, difficult legal maneuvering. Real "swimming with the sharks" business. It's a real bad idea to broadcast that stuff to the media.

I think the club recognises the fans desire to know and that's why they put stuff there but they shouldn't because it just makes us fans want more. They should just have in big 40 point block capitals

"IT IS A VIOLATION OF ARSENAL POLICY TO PUBLICLY DISCUSS TRANSFER BUSINESS"

Talk done. Anybody who asks about it should just be told to kindly take a spoonful of Buckley's, because entertaining those questions just messes with the club's business. I would personally LOVE to hear more. I am dying to know if Wenger really trying to sign Falcao, or Benzema, as the rumours go. I understand that public info about that could real mess up the side though, so I go smile and take dat. When transfer window done, then I go make noise.

all quiet on the signings front

wish my club communicated more substansial info with the fans than the patronising drivel on the web site
not saying to say who they looking at
but jeeze feeling like a mushroom, kept in the dark n fed shit
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on May 27, 2011, 10:52:18 AM
Yeah. I know. Standard procedure for off season.

Some transfer rumor methadone. Guardian links us with Gervinho. Don't know much about him but he's a forward/winger for French double winners Lille (35 games 15 goals 9 assists) and Ivory Coast (he came off the bench to assist Drogba's goal against Brazil in the World Cup, so I know he can cross).

Not happy we seem to have gone from talking about Benzema to Falcao to Gervinho though. We need a BIG name striker with pace, technique and upper body strength and to signal that we changing things up.

not saying to say who they looking at
but jeeze feelin glike a mushroom, kept in th edark n fed shit
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: kicker on May 27, 2011, 11:10:33 AM
Time to lock off football for a few weeks

Nothing we do or say here will make a diff

Clear the brain enjoy some summer time friends n family

And check in when friendlies n tours start and only study who sign papers and not what signs the papers selling

There must be a 12 step program to this somewhere


Copa America this Summer (Winter) in Argentina! It never ends. 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on May 27, 2011, 11:12:23 AM
They haven't shown it in Trini in the past.  :(

Time to lock off football for a few weeks

Nothing we do or say here will make a diff

Clear the brain enjoy some summer time friends n family

And check in when friendlies n tours start and only study who sign papers and not what signs the papers selling

There must be a 12 step program to this somewhere


Copa America this Summer (Winter) in Argentina! It never ends. 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 27, 2011, 11:59:08 AM
Time to lock off football for a few weeks

Nothing we do or say here will make a diff

Clear the brain enjoy some summer time friends n family

And check in when friendlies n tours start and only study who sign papers and not what signs the papers selling

There must be a 12 step program to this somewhere


Copa America this Summer (Winter) in Argentina! It never ends. 
sweet! eff way with argentina!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: JDB on June 02, 2011, 05:39:42 AM
Arsène Wenger targets tall players to boost Arsenal's title challenge (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jun/01/arsene-wenger-tall-players-arsenal)

• We need to improve the size of the squad, says Wenger
• 'We get it 95% right, but we must gain that 5%'

Marcus Christenson

Arsène Wenger has admitted it is 'frustrating to flirt with success' after six years without a trophy. Photograph: Tom Jenkins for the Guardian
For years Arsène Wenger has been saying that size does not matter, but it appears that six seasons without a trophy may have changed his mind as he on Wednesday admitted that one of his priorities this summer will be to sign tall players.

Arsenal conceded 43 goals in the Premier League last season, with set pieces a particular weakness, but Wenger now believes he has a solution to his side's defensive problems as he attempts to catch Manchester United, Chelsea and Manchester City. "We conceded very few goals from open play, most of them were from set pieces in a way you don't want to concede goals," he said.

"It's something that's easy to correct. We need to improve the size of our squad. We need a bigger variety in the height of our players. We need to be more capable of fighting against some characteristics than we have been this season."

Arsenal finished 12 points behind United after an end-of-season collapse that highlighted the psychologicalfrailties that continue to haunt them and while Wenger understands the "disappointed love" of Arsenal fans, he insists the team are only 5% away from becoming winners.

"The criticism has been sharper this year because of the impatience of people," he said. "People are used to us being in the Champions League so we have to give them more, but we're not capable of doing that. People love what we do but they want us to be rewarded so they can be convinced we do things the right way. They want proof that we do things the right way. For our fans the frustration was that we were so close to convincing everybody of how football can be great, but in the end not being able to deliver.

The Frenchman, who has been linked with a move for the Lens defender Raphaël Varane, added: "I would call it disappointed love. It was cruel and sometimes you get excessive responses to that. I share that and understand it. But that doesn't mean we have to change our philosophy or the way the club is run.

"We get it 95% right, but we must gain that 5% because it's so frustrating to flirt with success like we have done. The fans are unhappy that we didn't win the league, but we are close. In 2003 we were also the best away team, but didn't win. We kept going and in 2004 we were very strong."
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 02, 2011, 06:34:51 AM
rhetoric
same tune wenger
years now everyone saying the same thing
i doh care what is in d papers

only waiting to see who holding an arsenal shirt on the club website then i will see if he serious
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Andre on June 02, 2011, 11:11:03 AM
could it be that the wenger arsenal model is flawed?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 02, 2011, 11:51:57 AM
Soley on the basis of trophies YES

On the other aspects like...

Building new stadium and paying off debts staying profitable developing young players including english talent statying in europe not dropping out of top 4 then NO

Ask me if I'd rather have manus trophies AND debt

My heart says yes but brain says no
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: DeSoWa on June 02, 2011, 12:37:25 PM
Soley on the basis of trophies YES

On the other aspects like...

Building new stadium and paying off debts staying profitable developing young players including english talent statying in europe not dropping out of top 4 then NO

Ask me if I'd rather have manus trophies AND debt

My heart says yes but brain says no

Would you have rather we win the Carling Cup and finished 5th in the league?  ;D

Big Up!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 02, 2011, 12:45:54 PM
If winning the carling cup was a measure of success that wenger could have used as justfication not to change I would feel cheated, glad we won nothing and finished 4th to finally make wenger make changes

Plus birmingham got relegated with the trophy
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 02, 2011, 01:39:13 PM
I have to disagree with that one. I think you missing the point. I thought the point IS winning trophies with a sustainable business model? How you could be glad we win nothing and finish fourth? Nah man, that sound like you more interested in being right than the team being successful.

Wenger always knew and repeatedly stated, that the team would struggle for some years with the debt burden from the stadium but would come out stronger for it. That is why Thierry leave, because he knew the team wasn't going to strengthen after barely losing the CL final to Barca and he wanted trophies. The drought has taken 2 years longer than anticipated. Last season Arsenal was destroyed by injuries. The second leg at Camp Nou they faced Barca with 5 starters on the pitch. Wenger figured they had the quality to win trophies and so they let him try. After he keep the club in the CL and making enough to survive the debt (When the stadium was done Arsenal was the most indebted club in Europe) the man earn the right to try. This season Arsenal beat all the big teams they met with a (close to) full strength side (Man U, Chelsea, Barca, Man City). It is abundantly clear the team has the quality to win trophies, just not the [consistency/mental strength/will/adequate backups/lack of a Plan B] or whatever you want to call it do sustain the challenge. Besides all the trophies he won us prior to 2006, the man has kept Arsenal in the fight. He earn the right to try with the team he built. Sure we didn't win and we are all disappointed about that, but now we know that and we know what needs to be done. I only turning on Wenger if he doesn't make the necessary signings. I can't fault him otherwise. He has done an outstanding job.

If winning the carling cup was a measure of success that wenger could have used as justfication not to change I would feel cheated, glad we won nothing and finished 4th to finally make wenger make changes

Plus birmingham got relegated with the trophy
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 02, 2011, 03:10:58 PM
i say that because of the players who are dead weight would have undeservedly earned thie rplace to be with th erest of the first squad (barring injuries) fellas who barely contributed when called upon, failed to contribute or just plain not good enough at any level

men like...
denilson
almunia
diaby
rosicky
squillachi
even eboue diaby clichy

they would certainly not deserved a medal of any kind after the displays they put in this season
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 02, 2011, 04:41:43 PM
i say that because of the players who are dead weight would have undeservedly earned thie rplace to be with th erest of the first squad (barring injuries) fellas who barely contributed when called upon, failed to contribute or just plain not good enough at any level

men like...
denilson
almunia
diaby
rosicky
squillachi
even eboue diaby clichy

they would certainly not deserved a medal of any kind after the displays they put in this season

EVERY side have men like that. Wes Brown? Darron Gibson? Bojan? Maxwell? Arsenal problem is they have more than the others.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Jahyouth on June 03, 2011, 05:26:13 PM
i say that because of the players who are dead weight would have undeservedly earned thie rplace to be with th erest of the first squad (barring injuries) fellas who barely contributed when called upon, failed to contribute or just plain not good enough at any level

men like...
denilson
almunia
diaby
rosicky
squillachi
even eboue diaby clichy

they would certainly not deserved a medal of any kind after the displays they put in this season


Diaby?  You would  put Diaby in that group?  You mad.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: fari on June 04, 2011, 01:11:42 PM
i say that because of the players who are dead weight would have undeservedly earned thie rplace to be with th erest of the first squad (barring injuries) fellas who barely contributed when called upon, failed to contribute or just plain not good enough at any level

men like...
denilson
almunia
diaby
rosicky
squillachi
even eboue diaby clichy

they would certainly not deserved a medal of any kind after the displays they put in this season


Diaby?  You would  put Diaby in that group?  You mad.


diaby is a boss when he ready...he just need a little luck with injuries. 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 04, 2011, 05:21:53 PM
I don't care how much of a boss a player is if he doesn't contribute to the team consistently and is at fault regularly when they do play for the teams performance then they have to shape up or ship out
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: dwn on June 05, 2011, 10:32:22 AM
I don't care how much of a boss a player is if he doesn't contribute to the team consistently and is at fault regularly when they do play for the teams performance then they have to shape up or ship out

besides the newcastle red card, diaby was not regularly at fault. in fact, he was decent when he played. i agree with fari and jahyouth on this one.

i also would not put rosicky, clichy and eboue in that group. you being overly critical.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 05, 2011, 02:20:06 PM
I think Diaby is a greatly talented player, but he has had more than enough time to become a consistently valuable member of the team. It's true his injuries have limited his effectiveness but with his level of experience his decision making and maturity are well below where they should be for a title chasing team. I'm sad to see him go but I think it's time for him to move on.

Rosicky I think still has skill but his ability to drive the team with his passing is sorely lacking. Not what Arsenal needs in a Trequartista. I hope Eboue stays, as he is a good backup and squad player. He'll never be a star but I think he is extremely useful to the team. I fear he may leave to get more playing time but he's a genuine asset. Almunia I feel the same way about. He can be very good on his day but can't be a starting keeper. If he's cool with that, keep him. You are never going to get a great third string keeper.

I don't care how much of a boss a player is if he doesn't contribute to the team consistently and is at fault regularly when they do play for the teams performance then they have to shape up or ship out

besides the newcastle red card, diaby was not regularly at fault. in fact, he was decent when he played. i agree with fari and jahyouth on this one.

i also would not put rosicky, clichy and eboue in that group. you being overly critical.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 05, 2011, 06:37:05 PM
Eboue love/hate him
Almunia good point as long as we don't use him

Rosicky dead weight, space and salary taken up on team. Thanks for the memories
Denilson take yuh sour grapes and go no love lost
Bendtner keep listening to them self empowerment tapes, thanks for the goals wish there were more to talk about
Vela adios amigo too little too few n far between
Clichy ride out with yuh head tie up with other teams looking for yuh
Diaby go like dansteel say yuh level not consistent enough for the team

AA I know yuh trying but players like you only excel when the rest of the team pulling behind you
Nasri go on prove how much of a french twat you are especially if you go manu
Cesc you know is only one call and a check to the amount of £35mil and you can go if yuh feeling like a caged bird

I don't want any player not willing to die for this club

Wenger please clone sagna tommy jd kos jack theo rvp song and cheesey
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: dwn on June 05, 2011, 07:06:08 PM
Eboue love/hate him
Almunia good point as long as we don't use him

Rosicky dead weight space and sary taken up on team. Thanks for the memories
Denilson take yuh sour grapes and go no love lost
Bendtner keep listening to them self empowerment tapes, thanks for the goals wish there were more to talk about
Vela adios amigo too little too few n far between
Clichy ride out with yuh head tie up with other teams looking for yuh
Diaby go like dansteel say yuh level not consistent enough for the team

AA I know yuh trying but players like you only excel when the rest of the team pulling behind you
Nasri go on prove how much of a french twat you are especially if you go manu
Cesc you know is only one call and a check to the amount of £35mil and you can go if yuh feeling like a caged bird

I don't want any player not willing to die for this club

Wenger please clone sagna tommy jd kos jack theo rvp song and cheesey

If you get rid of all them men arsenal will have no bench. That's 9 men you name there.
Who would you like to see Wenger sign and what would be your ideal starting 11 for next season?
Think about who it means getting left out too. No big name player eh coming to bench.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 06, 2011, 08:28:38 AM
Realisitically i know that all will not go
knowing our luck the ones we want to go probably will stay (rosicky almunia)
that leaves denislon and bentner who ready to go
nasri and cesc is down to wenger working some magic
its not that our bench isnt deep

its that our bench is filled with sub par players, and the rest are usually in the phsyio room

i have no idea what player(s) will fit our team, media speculation is absed on assumtions (like scott parker or benzema)

we just have to wait and see if wenger actually opens his wallet, i mean heck he wont even do that to keep nasri

btw did vela make mexico team for gold cup?

Eboue love/hate him
Almunia good point as long as we don't use him

Rosicky dead weight space and sary taken up on team. Thanks for the memories
Denilson take yuh sour grapes and go no love lost
Bendtner keep listening to them self empowerment tapes, thanks for the goals wish there were more to talk about
Vela adios amigo too little too few n far between
Clichy ride out with yuh head tie up with other teams looking for yuh
Diaby go like dansteel say yuh level not consistent enough for the team

AA I know yuh trying but players like you only excel when the rest of the team pulling behind you
Nasri go on prove how much of a french twat you are especially if you go manu
Cesc you know is only one call and a check to the amount of £35mil and you can go if yuh feeling like a caged bird

I don't want any player not willing to die for this club

Wenger please clone sagna tommy jd kos jack theo rvp song and cheesey

If you get rid of all them men arsenal will have no bench. That's 9 men you name there.
Who would you like to see Wenger sign and what would be your ideal starting 11 for next season?
Think about who it means getting left out too. No big name player eh coming to bench.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 06, 2011, 10:57:34 AM
At a bare minimum, we need the following in transfer policy (in order of priority):
1) Improvement on B52
2) Backup/DM partner for Song
3) Improvement on Squillaci
4) Keeping at least 2 of Fabregas, Arshavin and Nasri
5) Keeping Clichy as Gibbs not ready and Traore is worse (needs 20 kgs of muscle and a brain). As frustrating as Clichy is, there are probably only 4-5 better left backs in Europe, and none of them moving to Arsenal anytime soon.
6) Shoring up options at left wing (Ryo looking good by all accounts but Feyenoord ain't Arsenal)

Realisitically i know that all will not go
knowing our luck the ones we want to go probably will stay (rosicky almunia)
that leaves denislon and bentner who ready to go
nasri and cesc is down to wenger working some magic
its not that our bench isnt deep

its that our bench is filled with sub par players, and the rest are usually in the phsyio room

i have no idea what player(s) will fit our team, media speculation is absed on assumtions (like scott parker or benzema)

we just have to wait and see if wenger actually opens his wallet, i mean heck he wont even do that to keep nasri

btw did vela make mexico team for gold cup?

Eboue love/hate him
Almunia good point as long as we don't use him

Rosicky dead weight space and sary taken up on team. Thanks for the memories
Denilson take yuh sour grapes and go no love lost
Bendtner keep listening to them self empowerment tapes, thanks for the goals wish there were more to talk about
Vela adios amigo too little too few n far between
Clichy ride out with yuh head tie up with other teams looking for yuh
Diaby go like dansteel say yuh level not consistent enough for the team

AA I know yuh trying but players like you only excel when the rest of the team pulling behind you
Nasri go on prove how much of a french twat you are especially if you go manu
Cesc you know is only one call and a check to the amount of £35mil and you can go if yuh feeling like a caged bird

I don't want any player not willing to die for this club

Wenger please clone sagna tommy jd kos jack theo rvp song and cheesey

If you get rid of all them men arsenal will have no bench. That's 9 men you name there.
Who would you like to see Wenger sign and what would be your ideal starting 11 for next season?
Think about who it means getting left out too. No big name player eh coming to bench.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 06, 2011, 01:38:22 PM
Here's an interesting question: What's the winning percentage of Arsenal's "best XI" since the Emirates move? Especially since the consensus is that their bench isn't deep enough.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: dwn on June 06, 2011, 05:56:49 PM
Here's an interesting question: What's the winning percentage of Arsenal's "best XI" since the Emirates move? Especially since the consensus is that their bench isn't deep enough.

I don't know the answer to that question nah. I wonder how many games Arsenal actually had their best 11 available, given that every season some part of their best 11 gets a long term injury.

Regarding depth, I think Arsenal's bench is pretty deep in attacking positions. In defense they lack a bit of depth and their injuries force them to go deeper in the squad than they probably plan on going. But I think having players like Arshavin, Rosicky, Diaby, Ramsey, Chamakh, Eboue, Koscielny/Djourou, Bendtner on your bench is pretty decent when compared with any other team in the league (except probably Chelsea).

By the way, Klose is available on free transfer. What you think about Arsenal making a move for him?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 06, 2011, 07:00:30 PM
I agree about the attacking midfield. Centre forwards we not so deep. And I think it's time Wenger does what he says and starts grooming Theo to lead the line. You're right though The depth is there, except in defence and defensive midfield.

Klose I think is great on paper, except he is something of a World Cup specialist and hasn't really performed for Bayern, although that is probably more due to the emergence of Mario Gomez (one of my favorite strikers btw). But a big name striker signing, proven winner, experienced, physical presence in front of goal, clinical finisher, excellent movement and available on a free transfer? Wenger should be drooling over this one. Except he's 32, but Wenger said he needs experience. This one checks all the boxes.

Regarding depth, I think Arsenal's bench is pretty deep in attacking positions. In defense they lack a bit of depth and their injuries force them to go deeper in the squad than they probably plan on going. But I think having players like Arshavin, Rosicky, Diaby, Ramsey, Chamakh, Eboue, Koscielny/Djourou, Bendtner on your bench is pretty decent when compared with any other team in the league (except probably Chelsea).

By the way, Klose is available on free transfer. What you think about Arsenal making a move for him?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: fari on June 06, 2011, 08:13:09 PM
I agree about the attacking midfield. Centre forwards we not so deep. And I think it's time Wenger does what he says and starts grooming Theo to lead the line. You're right though The depth is there, except in defence and defensive midfield.

Klose I think is great on paper, except he is something of a World Cup specialist and hasn't really performed for Bayern, although that is probably more due to the emergence of Mario Gomez (one of my favorite strikers btw). But a big name striker signing, proven winner, experienced, physical presence in front of goal, clinical finisher, excellent movement and available on a free transfer? Wenger should be drooling over this one. Except he's 32, but Wenger said he needs experience. This one checks all the boxes.

Regarding depth, I think Arsenal's bench is pretty deep in attacking positions. In defense they lack a bit of depth and their injuries force them to go deeper in the squad than they probably plan on going. But I think having players like Arshavin, Rosicky, Diaby, Ramsey, Chamakh, Eboue, Koscielny/Djourou, Bendtner on your bench is pretty decent when compared with any other team in the league (except probably Chelsea).

By the way, Klose is available on free transfer. What you think about Arsenal making a move for him?

klose talking bout italy not so?   but i like him...a real cunning striker, good eye for goal, proven at the highest level
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 06, 2011, 08:24:59 PM
I agree about the attacking midfield. Centre forwards we not so deep. And I think it's time Wenger does what he says and starts grooming Theo to lead the line. You're right though The depth is there, except in defence and defensive midfield.

Klose I think is great on paper, except he is something of a World Cup specialist and hasn't really performed for Bayern, although that is probably more due to the emergence of Mario Gomez (one of my favorite strikers btw). But a big name striker signing, proven winner, experienced, physical presence in front of goal, clinical finisher, excellent movement and available on a free transfer? Wenger should be drooling over this one. Except he's 32, but Wenger said he needs experience. This one checks all the boxes.

Regarding depth, I think Arsenal's bench is pretty deep in attacking positions. In defense they lack a bit of depth and their injuries force them to go deeper in the squad than they probably plan on going. But I think having players like Arshavin, Rosicky, Diaby, Ramsey, Chamakh, Eboue, Koscielny/Djourou, Bendtner on your bench is pretty decent when compared with any other team in the league (except probably Chelsea).

By the way, Klose is available on free transfer. What you think about Arsenal making a move for him?

klose talking bout italy not so?   but i like him...a real cunning striker, good eye for goal, proven at the highest level

"Let's say that I am evaluating some offers and Lazio are among them" is what he said. Well I hope Arsenal is too. But we'll see. Wenger and this over 30 policy needs to change.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 07, 2011, 08:35:41 AM
fellas when yuh gonna learn?

it is not worth the brain hurt, trying to figure out what the next player coming or going at arsenal will be, just wait for it to appear on the website

the papers have a sliver of truth to them

but as the saying goes; "throw enough shit on a wall and some will stick"
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 07, 2011, 08:54:01 AM
Buddy, season done. We need something to talk about. Nice to speculate. Iz like methadone to a smack addict.

fellas when yuh gonna learn?

it is not worth the brain hurt, trying to figure out what the next player coming or going at arsenal wil be just wait for it to appear on the website

the papers have a sliver of truth to them

but as the saying goes

throw enough shit on a wall and some will stick
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 07, 2011, 10:27:40 AM
Laurent Koscielny. Check out 0:05 of the video on this page. Dread flick:

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/2010/11-player-review-laurent-koscielny (http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/2010/11-player-review-laurent-koscielny)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 08, 2011, 08:49:04 AM
Carl Jenkinson, Charlton fullback/centre back, 19 years old, signed with the club today. Time to sort out Cesc and Nanas and then get to the proper signings. Enough potential. Can't be the team of the future forever.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bourbon on June 08, 2011, 09:32:34 AM
Catuluyna Radio claims a pre-agreement in place for Csec.



And for arsenal fans.....good news....some upgrades to your training facility being done. Should help with the fragility that seems to plague your team.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: giggsy11 on June 08, 2011, 11:36:36 AM
Catuluyna Radio claims a pre-agreement in place for Csec.



And for arsenal fans.....good news....some upgrades to your training facility being done. Should help with the fragility that seems to plague your team.


 :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 08, 2011, 12:13:19 PM
Catuluyna Radio claims a pre-agreement in place for Csec.



And for arsenal fans.....good news....some upgrades to your training facility being done. Should help with the fragility that seems to plague your team.


 :rotfl:

giggsy what allyuh doing abuout yuh billion in debt?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 08, 2011, 01:23:59 PM
Yeah. Dem fellas always agreeing terms with Cesc before they go to Arsenal, who tell dem he not for sale. In my next life I want to be Barca lawyer. Negotiate pointless agreements and get paid tons of money for it. I go promise him whatever he want (including a lifetime supply of pork) with no fear they will ever have to deliver. Is like CEPEP for lawyers.

Catuluyna Radio claims a pre-agreement in place for Csec.



And for arsenal fans.....good news....some upgrades to your training facility being done. Should help with the fragility that seems to plague your team.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 10, 2011, 07:41:32 AM
so ole talk is since we lost ou ton jones n henderson that we are tops for getting that long name kid from southhampton

oh an clichy going for a measley 5mil yet we cant seem to buy less experienced players for under 10mil wtf?

wengernomics seems it might be going through a market crash
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: president on June 10, 2011, 08:37:01 AM
Arsene Wenger has failed the Gooners for at least four seasons now. A perennial third place (and now fourth) is certainly not good enough for a big club like the Arsenal. He is a stubborn man and refuses to modify his failed management model, which is based on allowing senior players (read: "big men") to leave, and recruiting young and/or unknown talent (read: "little boys and insecure newcomers"), which some see as a virtue of sorts. And I do not want to hear about the mortgage resulting from building the Emirates. As a long time Gooner I expect nothing from the Arsenal next season, and it may be worse as Tottenham and Liverpool are beefing up. Wenger should exit stage right and keep on walking.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 10, 2011, 08:47:54 AM
If they want to blow 16 million pounds (up to 25 now apparently) on a player with no caps then they can have him.

Henderson reportedly went for 20mil plus David N'gog (although some Pool supporters I know say different). All of 1 senior cap.

Clichy has 1 year on his contract and he wants away. Plus he's not British.

Just an extension of the Andy Carroll situation. We could probably sell Wilshere for the same price as Cesc in this nonsensical environmnent.

so ole talk is since we lost ou ton jones n henderson that we are tops for getting that long name kid from southhampton

oh an clichy going for a measley 5mil yet we cant seem to buy less experienced players for under 10mil wtf?

wengernomics seems it might be going through a market crash
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on June 10, 2011, 09:10:25 AM
If they want to blow 16 million pounds (up to 25 now apparently) on a player with no caps then they can have him.

Henderson reportedly went for 20mil plus David N'gog (although some Pool supporters I know say different). All of 1 senior cap.

Clichy has 1 year on his contract and he wants away. Plus he's not British.

Just an extension of the Andy Carroll situation. We could probably sell Wilshere for the same price as Cesc in this nonsensical environmnent.

so ole talk is since we lost ou ton jones n henderson that we are tops for getting that long name kid from southhampton

oh an clichy going for a measley 5mil yet we cant seem to buy less experienced players for under 10mil wtf?

wengernomics seems it might be going through a market crash

twat.. its 16 million pounds.. that soccernet article is bullshit..people close to the deal claim it may even be 15 million

And that was his release clause and United and Arsenal went head to head..Wenger called the boy and Jones said thanks but no thanks he wants to go United.. so dont act like allyuh manager didnt want him

Spurs bid, Liverpool bid and Chelsea bid..  obviously all 5 clubs cant be wrong and looks like we have signed the future England captain
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 10, 2011, 09:34:35 AM
Wow. "Twat". A well reasoned argument. Always knew you were a classy fella.

Notice the "up to 25 now apparently" was in brackets? Do I have to explain to you what that means? I'll write it in block letters in crayon for you.

I never said Wenger didn't want him. I said if they (United) want to blow that money on him they can have him. You like inventing arguments out of nothing? Is that because nobody will talk to a useless, infected troglodyte like you in real life? Did your parents not pay enough attention to you when you were growing up?

Obviously managers respect his talent. Future England captain, only time will tell. Pretty steep prices for a player with potential rather than proof.

Now that's settled why don't you come up with another argument for us to have so you can get more attention. Otherwise just crawl back into the festering hole you slithered out of. Ignorant clown.

If they want to blow 16 million pounds (up to 25 now apparently) on a player with no caps then they can have him.

Henderson reportedly went for 20mil plus David N'gog (although some Pool supporters I know say different). All of 1 senior cap.

Clichy has 1 year on his contract and he wants away. Plus he's not British.

Just an extension of the Andy Carroll situation. We could probably sell Wilshere for the same price as Cesc in this nonsensical environmnent.

so ole talk is since we lost ou ton jones n henderson that we are tops for getting that long name kid from southhampton

oh an clichy going for a measley 5mil yet we cant seem to buy less experienced players for under 10mil wtf?

wengernomics seems it might be going through a market crash

twat.. its 16 million pounds.. that soccernet article is bullshit..people close to the deal claim it may even be 15 million

And that was his release clause and United and Arsenal went head to head..Wenger called the boy and Jones said thanks but no thanks he wants to go United.. so dont act like allyuh manager didnt want him

Spurs bid, Liverpool bid and Chelsea bid..  obviously all 5 clubs cant be wrong and looks like we have signed the future England captain
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 10, 2011, 10:26:25 AM
Arsene Wenger has failed the Gooners for at least four seasons now. A perennial third place (and now fourth) is certainly not good enough for a big club like the Arsenal. He is a stubborn man and refuses to modify his failed management model, which is based on allowing senior players (read: "big men") to leave, and recruiting young and/or unknown talent (read: "little boys and insecure newcomers"), which some see as a virtue of sorts. And I do not want to hear about the mortgage resulting from building the Emirates. As a long time Gooner I expect nothing from the Arsenal next season, and it may be worse as Tottenham and Liverpool are beefing up. Wenger should exit stage right and keep on walking.

that mortage excuse ended last summer.
we are profitable
possible new owner, so board members wil make f**k loads when they sell shares
adams said graham was a better coach than wenger

he maintained champs league qualification built stadium and profits but no silverware
had he won any of the things were were close to winning in the last 65 seasons he would be hailed as a giant amongst men
he failed in the trophy dept but succededed everywhere else
now its past due for success
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 10, 2011, 10:34:04 AM
If they want to blow 16 million pounds (up to 25 now apparently) on a player with no caps then they can have him.

Henderson reportedly went for 20mil plus David N'gog (although some Pool supporters I know say different). All of 1 senior cap.

Clichy has 1 year on his contract and he wants away. Plus he's not British.

Just an extension of the Andy Carroll situation. We could probably sell Wilshere for the same price as Cesc in this nonsensical environmnent.

so ole talk is since we lost ou ton jones n henderson that we are tops for getting that long name kid from southhampton

oh an clichy going for a measley 5mil yet we cant seem to buy less experienced players for under 10mil wtf?

wengernomics seems it might be going through a market crash

twat.. its 16 million pounds.. that soccernet article is bullshit..people close to the deal claim it may even be 15 million

And that was his release clause and United and Arsenal went head to head..Wenger called the boy and Jones said thanks but no thanks he wants to go United.. so dont act like allyuh manager didnt want him

Spurs bid, Liverpool bid and Chelsea bid..  obviously all 5 clubs cant be wrong and looks like we have signed the future England captain
take a long cool glass of water and realise it wasnt an attack on your precious club, so
 
Dansteel just saying cool he wanted to go manu fine, but one mans opinion about spending money on potential rather than proven is fact. for fack sake an arsenal fan said that, a club that has spent cheaply and not so cheaply on potential tallent and reaped nothing from it

remember there is a fine line between being cheeky, giving peekong and just being an all out obnoxious little brat, prove you are better than that
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Peong on June 11, 2011, 06:15:14 PM
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/927155/abou-diaby-admits-to-wearing-spurs-shirt-at-home?campaign=rss&source=soccernet&cc=5901

Diaby admits to wearing Spurs shirt

Arsenal midfielder Abou Diaby has risked angering Gunners fans by admitting that he owns a Tottenham shirt and wears it when he is at home.

Diaby, 25, has come under fire for his performances on the pitch for the club this season and is now likely to face both barrels from the stands as well, after he revealed his liking for Arsenal's bitter North London rivals.

He told the Sun: "It's [the shirt] more difficult to wear in the street. There you are not safe."

The shirt was given to him by friend and fellow France international Younes Kaboul, who Diaby would also like to play alongside at club level. He said: "It would be good to play for the same club one day."

Meanwhile, Arsenal team-mate Johan Djourou says that Lille striker Gervinho - rated at £10 million - would be a great summer signing for the club.

"I have followed a bit of the French league this season and I have to say Gervinho is a great player," said Djourou at an event for his Kemi Malaika Foundation in Senegal.

"I have known him for a long time and he is just a great player & quick, with so much talent and good skills. He is a great, great talent and we need that because he can play as a striker, as a No10 or on the wing. He has all the ingredients to play for Arsenal, that is a definite."
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 11, 2011, 07:43:54 PM
Yup shameful, and another reason for him to ride out!

Very few players kissing the badge and playing with heart these days, they seem to forget what it means to play for arsenal

I want to go to arsenal tell sagna, rvp, jack and cheesey to take a lil walk while I "talk" the the manager and rest of the team and give them a serious earful

Its one thing to lose

A completely different matter to lose the way they have been recently

Shape up or ship out!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 13, 2011, 02:40:10 PM
and in other news arsenal prepare for thier tour of asia
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 14, 2011, 06:06:11 AM
So spurs want to battle over chris samba from blackburn

And every "prospect" under 21 we are linked with

Plus gervinho is in "talks" with arsenal soon
I do not have a good feeling about this guy
I think he might be adebayor part deux
Plus he looks way older than his reported 25\26

I'm just about fed up of arsene's french league exploits, that was great when france national side was kicking ass in the 90's and late 00's
Now its time to look at spain
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Touches on June 14, 2011, 09:33:09 AM
Blackpool only want 10M for Adam...I find he could sweat, is a proven playmaker/goalscorer/freekick taker.

We should buy him.

Also wigan only want 9 for Nzogbia...I say buy him too.

They have deals out there. them fellas is proven.


Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: dinho on June 14, 2011, 09:45:11 AM
It's good to finally hear someone in the Arsenal power hierarchy come out and say what I and countless other neutral observers have been saying for so long now:

Arsenal billionaire blasts club´s board

http://www.soccerway.com/news/2011/June/12/arsenal-billionaire-blasts-clubs-board/ (http://www.soccerway.com/news/2011/June/12/arsenal-billionaire-blasts-clubs-board/)

12 June 2011
Uzbek billionaire Alisher Usmanov has attacked the Arsenal board, blaming underinvestment for the team's six-year trophy drought.

Uzbek billionaire Alisher Usmanov has attacked the Arsenal board, blaming underinvestment for the team's six-year trophy drought.

Usmanov, 57, owns 30 percent of Arsenal Holdings, but is not a member of the board at the Emirates Stadium.

And he holds a low opinion of the incumbent directors at the English Premier League club, holding them responsible for the team's failure to capture a major trophy since their success in the 2005 FA Cup final.

"If the role of a board member is to oversee a trophyless period, while making significant personal profits and asking fans to pay inflation-busting ticket price increases then, no, I would not want to be on the board," Usmanov told the News of the World.

"If instead it is to try to deliver sustained success, to increase your personal investment in the club, to help develop the commercial position and to ensure the fans have a say in the running of the club then, yes, I think I certainly have something to contribute."

"In terms of doing things differently, let me give you a very clear example: Arsenal has all of its major commercial contracts coming up for renewal in the next couple of years."

"It's no secret that to maximise the value of those (contracts) you want to have success on the field and be winning trophies."

"To do that you need to invest now in building a winning team. This is simple commercial logic. Whether it comes to pass, we shall see."

Usamonv believes manager Arsene Wenger needs to invest more heavily in the transfer market to break the team's silverware drought.

"There is a widely-held view among most commentators - and one that I agree with - that the club needs to stiffen the defensive spine of the team, with a dominant keeper, strong centre-halves and a powerful defensive midfielder in the mould of Claude Makelele," he said, referring to the former Chelsea holding player.

"The Premier League is one of the most competitive in the world and whilst we have consistently challenged for honours, the club needs to develop talent and buy top-class players to win the trophies we all crave."

"This requires greater investment which, I believe, has been lacking thus far."

"What, however, is not clear, is whether the board shares this view."

"For too long they have seemed happy to sanction second, third and fourth as being acceptable, whilst at the same time they are planning to sell their shares."
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 14, 2011, 02:55:52 PM
Usmanov is not in the Arsenal power hierarchy. He wants to buy out the club, saddle it with debt and turn it into another Liverpool or worse yet, Portsmouth. He will borrow millions to buy players, mortgage the staduim and leave the club on the verge of bankruptcy. I want trophies too, but I don't want the club to have to go running to some sugar daddy or blowing eighty million pounds in interest a year and issuing toxic debt like the Glazers. Arsenal had to struggle since 2006 because of the long term infrastructural investments they made but the club is on the verge of paying its way and can afford to compete at the highest level. That is short term, narrow minded thinking from someone who is only seeking his own interests. The neutrals who agree with him only see the football side of things. Nobody wants their club bankrupted and if, at the end of this period we can afford to buy top players out of free cash flow then the Emirates project will have succeeded. No more billionaires who just want it as a toy and will pile on huge debts with no hope of ever paying them off.

Anyway, he has been a shareholder for years, while they were going through the drought, and he never had a complaint to make until he realised that the board wouldn't sell to him. This man full of sh*t. Most fans only see silverware. Fair enough, that is what fans want, but I sure Portsmouth fans salting about having to sell all their good players and getting relegated and being in administration. Look how United fans does get on about the Glazers and their billion pound debts? Look how Liverpool fans get on about Hicks and Gillette? I want none ah dat in Arsenal thank you very much!

It's good to finally hear someone in the Arsenal power hierarchy come out and say what I and countless other neutral observers have been saying for so long now:

Arsenal billionaire blasts club´s board

http://www.soccerway.com/news/2011/June/12/arsenal-billionaire-blasts-clubs-board/ (http://www.soccerway.com/news/2011/June/12/arsenal-billionaire-blasts-clubs-board/)

12 June 2011
Uzbek billionaire Alisher Usmanov has attacked the Arsenal board, blaming underinvestment for the team's six-year trophy drought.

Uzbek billionaire Alisher Usmanov has attacked the Arsenal board, blaming underinvestment for the team's six-year trophy drought.

Usmanov, 57, owns 30 percent of Arsenal Holdings, but is not a member of the board at the Emirates Stadium.

And he holds a low opinion of the incumbent directors at the English Premier League club, holding them responsible for the team's failure to capture a major trophy since their success in the 2005 FA Cup final.

"If the role of a board member is to oversee a trophyless period, while making significant personal profits and asking fans to pay inflation-busting ticket price increases then, no, I would not want to be on the board," Usmanov told the News of the World.

"If instead it is to try to deliver sustained success, to increase your personal investment in the club, to help develop the commercial position and to ensure the fans have a say in the running of the club then, yes, I think I certainly have something to contribute."

"In terms of doing things differently, let me give you a very clear example: Arsenal has all of its major commercial contracts coming up for renewal in the next couple of years."

"It's no secret that to maximise the value of those (contracts) you want to have success on the field and be winning trophies."

"To do that you need to invest now in building a winning team. This is simple commercial logic. Whether it comes to pass, we shall see."

Usamonv believes manager Arsene Wenger needs to invest more heavily in the transfer market to break the team's silverware drought.

"There is a widely-held view among most commentators - and one that I agree with - that the club needs to stiffen the defensive spine of the team, with a dominant keeper, strong centre-halves and a powerful defensive midfielder in the mould of Claude Makelele," he said, referring to the former Chelsea holding player.

"The Premier League is one of the most competitive in the world and whilst we have consistently challenged for honours, the club needs to develop talent and buy top-class players to win the trophies we all crave."

"This requires greater investment which, I believe, has been lacking thus far."

"What, however, is not clear, is whether the board shares this view."

"For too long they have seemed happy to sanction second, third and fourth as being acceptable, whilst at the same time they are planning to sell their shares."

Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 14, 2011, 03:17:28 PM
Usmanov is not in the Arsenal power hierarchy. He wants to buy out the club, saddle it with debt and turn it into another Liverpool or worse yet, Portsmouth. He will borrow millions to buy players, mortgage the staduim and leave the club on the verge of bankruptcy. I want trophies too, but I don't want the club to have to go running to some sugar daddy or blowing eighty million pounds in interest a year and issuing toxic debt like the Glazers. Arsenal had to struggle since 2006 because of the long term infrastructural investments they made but the club is on the verge of paying its way and can afford to compete at the highest level. That is short term, narrow minded thinking from someone who is only seeking his own interests. The neutrals who agree with him only see the football side of things. Nobody wants their club bankrupted and if, at the end of this period we can afford to buy top players out of free cash flow then the Emirates project will have succeeded. No more billionaires who just want it as a toy and will pile on huge debts with no hope of ever paying them off.

Anyway, he has been a shareholder for years, while they were going through the drought, and he never had a complaint to make until he realised that the board wouldn't sell to him. This man full of sh*t. Most fans only see silverware. Fair enough, that is what fans want, but I sure Portsmouth fans salting about having to sell all their good players and getting relegated and being in administration. Look how United fans does get on about the Glazers and their billion pound debts? Look how Liverpool fans get on about Hicks and Gillette? I want none ah dat in Arsenal thank you very much!

It's good to finally hear someone in the Arsenal power hierarchy come out and say what I and countless other neutral observers have been saying for so long now:

Arsenal billionaire blasts club´s board

http://www.soccerway.com/news/2011/June/12/arsenal-billionaire-blasts-clubs-board/ (http://www.soccerway.com/news/2011/June/12/arsenal-billionaire-blasts-clubs-board/)

12 June 2011
Uzbek billionaire Alisher Usmanov has attacked the Arsenal board, blaming underinvestment for the team's six-year trophy drought.

Uzbek billionaire Alisher Usmanov has attacked the Arsenal board, blaming underinvestment for the team's six-year trophy drought.

Usmanov, 57, owns 30 percent of Arsenal Holdings, but is not a member of the board at the Emirates Stadium.

And he holds a low opinion of the incumbent directors at the English Premier League club, holding them responsible for the team's failure to capture a major trophy since their success in the 2005 FA Cup final.

"If the role of a board member is to oversee a trophyless period, while making significant personal profits and asking fans to pay inflation-busting ticket price increases then, no, I would not want to be on the board," Usmanov told the News of the World.

"If instead it is to try to deliver sustained success, to increase your personal investment in the club, to help develop the commercial position and to ensure the fans have a say in the running of the club then, yes, I think I certainly have something to contribute."

"In terms of doing things differently, let me give you a very clear example: Arsenal has all of its major commercial contracts coming up for renewal in the next couple of years."

"It's no secret that to maximise the value of those (contracts) you want to have success on the field and be winning trophies."

"To do that you need to invest now in building a winning team. This is simple commercial logic. Whether it comes to pass, we shall see."

Usamonv believes manager Arsene Wenger needs to invest more heavily in the transfer market to break the team's silverware drought.

"There is a widely-held view among most commentators - and one that I agree with - that the club needs to stiffen the defensive spine of the team, with a dominant keeper, strong centre-halves and a powerful defensive midfielder in the mould of Claude Makelele," he said, referring to the former Chelsea holding player.

"The Premier League is one of the most competitive in the world and whilst we have consistently challenged for honours, the club needs to develop talent and buy top-class players to win the trophies we all crave."

"This requires greater investment which, I believe, has been lacking thus far."

"What, however, is not clear, is whether the board shares this view."

"For too long they have seemed happy to sanction second, third and fourth as being acceptable, whilst at the same time they are planning to sell their shares."

COSIGN
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 14, 2011, 05:04:26 PM
Looks decent although I have only seen highlights. Pace, touches and finishing ability. Would prefer a brand name striker though.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/gervinho-to-have-talks-with-arsenal-say-lille-2297228.html

Gervinho 'to have talks' with Arsenal say Lille

PA
Tuesday, 14 June 2011

Lille general manager Frederic Paquet has confirmed striker Gervinho wants to move to England this summer and talks with Arsenal are planned.

Ivory Coast international Gervinho played a key role as Lille won the Ligue 1 and Coupe de France double last season, contributing 15 goals and 10 assists in the league alone.

Free-spending Paris St Germain have also asked about the 24-year-old but his current club are not keen on selling to a domestic rival.

Paquet told RMC: "He wants to go and has developed contacts with Arsenal.

"We will soon have talks with them and see what they offer.

"He has expressed a desire to go to England and we will see what happens."

The link with PSG was a non-starter insists Paquet, who added: "Paris St Germain inquired but we are not thinking about strengthening a competitor."

Although Lille will entertain the idea of selling Gervinho, their stance is different on Eden Hazard. Paquet has described the 20-year-old Belgian as "untransferable".

Lille earlier announced the capture of 21-year-old striker Ronny Rodelin from Ligue 2 Nantes.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 15, 2011, 02:12:38 PM
Never mind what the man says. Everybody and his brother knows what Cesc wants.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/arsenal-future-in-hands-of-arsene-wenger-says-cesc-fabregas-2297662.html

Arsenal future in hands of Arsene Wenger says Cesc Fabregas

Reuters
Wednesday, 15 June 2011

Arsenal captain Cesc Fabregas said today he was happy at the Premier League club and no decision had been made about a possible move.

"I am an Arsenal player. I have been very happy for eight years and I am very happy," Fabregas said at a promotional event, when asked about the prospect of a return to Barcelona.

"I am not thinking about football right now, just about my holidays," the 24-year-old Spain midfielder said, adding that questions about his future should be directed to Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger, to whom he had not spoken for six weeks.

"There have been no decisions. The truth is that it doesn't always depend on the player and at the moment I don't know anything," he added.

"I am very happy where I am. Anything else would be speculation that is untrue. You can never say never in this life as so many things happen that you can never predict."

Spanish media have reported that European champions Barca would have to pay around 40 million euros ($57.5 million) to secure Fabregas's services for next season.

The player, who moved from Barcelona to London in 2003 at the age of 16, is seen as a natural replacement for playmaker Xavi, who turned 31 in January.

Fabregas admitted he was frustrated at Arsenal's repeated failure to win a trophy but said he believed the club had the resources to end their barren run.

"A player who is not frustrated at not winning titles is either lying to himself or lacks ambition," he said.

"There is a good team and a good manager and one of the most faithful fan bases in Europe. With those I believe we can make progress and one day win an important trophy."

Any decision on his future would be taken by Wenger, Fabregas added.

"He is the boss, the one who makes the decisions. You should ask him. I was injured at the end of the season and I haven't seen him for about six weeks."
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 16, 2011, 09:45:56 AM
WTF ARSENAL PALYING AT??? THEY ALREADY TREAT FANS LIKE THEY HAVE SUB AVERAGE IQ's NOW THIS DRIVLE OF AN OFFER? WTF? SERIOUSLY?

http://www.kckrs.com/arsenal-release-ridiculous-125-year-commemoration-pack/ (http://www.kckrs.com/arsenal-release-ridiculous-125-year-commemoration-pack/)

(http://www.kckrs.com/wp-content/uploads/arse-pack.jpg)

Arsenal Release Ridiculous 125 Year Commemoration Pack
 Carter Daly, June 15, 2011

 Here’s a gift idea for the fan who has everything. Except, you know, a trophy in the last six years.
Gotta love when a super club uses an even interval year anniversary as an excuse to release a “Limited Edition” collectors item to their droves of incredibly loyal supporters. Well “super club” might be a little strong for a club that hasn’t won a trophy in 6 years 0 months 25 days 45 minutes and 48 seconds (at the time of post).

Here we have Arsenal, clearly in need of celebrating something, releasing their “125 Year Limited Edition Presentation Box”. While already a pretty ridiculous name for something, this is even more hilarious to me because a friend of mine from school has this thing he calls “the presentation” on his laptop that is basically a slide show of these naked chicks from his high school kissing in the shower set to a techno soundtrack.

Regardless, check out what this very special “presentation box” is comprised of:

Box Includes:

- Limited Edition Collectors Home Shirt (Medium)
- Certificate of Authenticity from Arsene Wenger
- Laser Etched Light Keychain
- Arsenal USB with exclusive content

The shirt or whatever is fine but I’d definitely rather have Arsene Wenger personally certify the authenticity of his hair to everyone involved in football. I don’t care if it’s grey, he just dies it that way to keep the rumors quiet.

I guess a light keychain is kind of cool. But unless that crazy usb device their giving you has exclusive content similar to the exclusive content on my friend’s laptop, they’ve got to be kidding with that £125.00 price tag.

Unsurprisingly, these bad boys are in stock and can be obtained by you crazy gooners by clicking here.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 16, 2011, 09:48:16 AM
btw

above post came from an awesome new soccer culture website:

www.kickrs.com (http://www.kickrs.com)

check it out lots of funny vids comments links, sick posters too check em out, AND a video of germanys womens teams gettig nekkid in german playboy! :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Peong on June 16, 2011, 12:35:35 PM
Why Arsenal doh go for Lavezzi or Hamsik from Napoli?  Lavezzi is like a poor man's Aguero, similiar style of play.  Cavani is too expensive.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 16, 2011, 12:46:24 PM
Dunno. Haven't seen Napoli play other than when Milan rinse them. Did you see something about Arsenal going for Cavani?

Why Arsenal doh go for Lavezzi or Hamsik from Napoli?  Lavezzi is like a poor man's Aguero, similiar style of play.  Cavani is too expensive.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Peong on June 16, 2011, 02:31:27 PM
Dunno. Haven't seen Napoli play other than when Milan rinse them. Did you see something about Arsenal going for Cavani?

Why Arsenal doh go for Lavezzi or Hamsik from Napoli?  Lavezzi is like a poor man's Aguero, similiar style of play.  Cavani is too expensive.


No I haven't heard anything, I just mean that the Napoli trident is very good and they would fit with the skill ball that Arsenal tries to play. And since Arsenal are stingy and Cavani is the most in-demand of the three, maybe they could look at the other 2.  I think Wenger looked at Hamsik before.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 17, 2011, 08:18:45 AM
Hahahaha. Good point. There were rumours linking Arsenal with Cavani around February/March but I haven't heard anything else since then. Going by their reputations I'd say sounds good though. Time will tell.

Dunno. Haven't seen Napoli play other than when Milan rinse them. Did you see something about Arsenal going for Cavani?

Why Arsenal doh go for Lavezzi or Hamsik from Napoli?  Lavezzi is like a poor man's Aguero, similiar style of play.  Cavani is too expensive.


No I haven't heard anything, I just mean that the Napoli trident is very good and they would fit with the skill ball that Arsenal tries to play. And since Arsenal are stingy and Cavani is the most in-demand of the three, maybe they could look at the other 2.  I think Wenger looked at Hamsik before.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: mukumsplau on June 17, 2011, 08:55:25 AM
Dunno. Haven't seen Napoli play other than when Milan rinse them. Did you see something about Arsenal going for Cavani?

Why Arsenal doh go for Lavezzi or Hamsik from Napoli?  Lavezzi is like a poor man's Aguero, similiar style of play.  Cavani is too expensive.



No I haven't heard anything, I just mean that the Napoli trident is very good and they would fit with the skill ball that Arsenal tries to play. And since Arsenal are stingy and Cavani is the most in-demand of the three, maybe they could look at the other 2.  I think Wenger looked at Hamsik before.

as a man who kno my serie a inside out id say anyone from the napoli trident will do well for yall...they dont dilly daddle in front of goal like arsenal forwards tend to do....to say lavezzi is a 'poor man's aguero' is taking away from the man...he's a very good player..a real hardworker...

Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 17, 2011, 09:38:42 AM
Actually that's a myth about Arsenal. In the Premier League, only Chelsea has taken more shots and more shots on goal than Arsenal.


as a man who kno my serie a inside out id say anyone from the napoli trident will do well for yall...they dont dilly daddle in front of goal like arsenal forwards tend to do....to say lavezzi is a 'poor man's aguero' is taking away from the man...he's a very good player..a real hardworker...


Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 17, 2011, 02:29:54 PM
dont mess with Dansteel the Facts man, and if he doh have it he will find it
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Peong on June 17, 2011, 03:03:02 PM
Actually that's a myth about Arsenal. In the Premier League, only Chelsea has taken more shots and more shots on goal than Arsenal.


as a man who kno my serie a inside out id say anyone from the napoli trident will do well for yall...they dont dilly daddle in front of goal like arsenal forwards tend to do....to say lavezzi is a 'poor man's aguero' is taking away from the man...he's a very good player..a real hardworker...

Hold on, just because they have the 2nd most shots doesn't mean that they don't dilly-dally.
If you watch their games you do see that they have a habit of sometimes taking way too many touches around the box.  Their total shots would just be higher if they didn't.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: sammy on June 17, 2011, 07:57:12 PM
powderpuffs
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 17, 2011, 11:00:13 PM
Well it certainly means they don't dilly dally as much as other teams. So I don't think the Arsenal stereotype of dilly dallying is really a valid one. Perhaps because their style of play is based on ball control. Which would be kind of like blaming water for being wet.

Hold on, just because they have the 2nd most shots doesn't mean that they don't dilly-dally.
If you watch their games you do see that they have a habit of sometimes taking way too many touches around the box.  Their total shots would just be higher if they didn't.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: mukumsplau on June 17, 2011, 11:25:59 PM
cavani and lavezzi are beasts..napoli runs hard for 90+ minutes..its amazing actually...

i remember this game between napoli and lecce...really end to end stuff entire game...capped off with this beastly goal from cavani seconds not to long after napoli cleared a sure lecce goal of the line...

we call him el matador cavani in italy...

http://www.youtube.com/v/MmOjT1-oiXI&feature=related
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Peong on June 18, 2011, 12:09:13 AM
Well it certainly means they don't dilly dally as much as other teams. So I don't think the Arsenal stereotype of dilly dallying is really a valid one. Perhaps because their style of play is based on ball control. Which would be kind of like blaming water for being wet.

Hold on, just because they have the 2nd most shots doesn't mean that they don't dilly-dally.
If you watch their games you do see that they have a habit of sometimes taking way too many touches around the box.  Their total shots would just be higher if they didn't.

I don't agree with your logic.  If a team has one opportunity to shoot early and takes it, and then Arsenal has 10 shots but then one time they pass up the early shot, then it means that Arsenal dilly-dallied more than that team, despite Arsenal having more shots than the other team. 
Number of shots really has no relation to the number of times they decide not to shoot when in good positions.

I'm tired of saying dilly-dally.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: dwn on June 18, 2011, 11:14:09 AM
Well it certainly means they don't dilly dally as much as other teams. So I don't think the Arsenal stereotype of dilly dallying is really a valid one. Perhaps because their style of play is based on ball control. Which would be kind of like blaming water for being wet.

Hold on, just because they have the 2nd most shots doesn't mean that they don't dilly-dally.
If you watch their games you do see that they have a habit of sometimes taking way too many touches around the box.  Their total shots would just be higher if they didn't.

I don't agree with your logic.  If a team has one opportunity to shoot early and takes it, and then Arsenal has 10 shots but then one time they pass up the early shot, then it means that Arsenal dilly-dallied more than that team, despite Arsenal having more shots than the other team. 
Number of shots really has no relation to the number of times they decide not to shoot when in good positions.

I'm tired of saying dilly-dally.

Peeong, I get what you saying. A raw number doesn't tell you the percentage of opportunities/shots they passed up. And given that Arsenal usually out-possesses its EPL oppositions it's quite possible that they could dilly-dally and still have more shots than the other team.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 18, 2011, 12:23:11 PM
Fair enough, I see your point. Don't think there's anything wrong with the number of shots they take as of right now I guess. Just their accuracy. Too many saved and too many hit the post. Jack Wilshere is a classic example. The boy good but his finishing needs serious work. Another reason they need another big name striker. The goal Drogba scored on Arsenal in October, you think anybody from Arsenal coulda scored that?


I don't agree with your logic.  If a team has one opportunity to shoot early and takes it, and then Arsenal has 10 shots but then one time they pass up the early shot, then it means that Arsenal dilly-dallied more than that team, despite Arsenal having more shots than the other team. 
Number of shots really has no relation to the number of times they decide not to shoot when in good positions.

I'm tired of saying dilly-dally.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 20, 2011, 07:12:59 AM
soooo i have been taking in the video clips of arsenal player reviews they have been posting on the website and have drawn a few speculations

1. these may be slight insights as to whom may be staying at the club although rosicky and vela are amongst the reviews, vela had no video because...they wouldnt show him in a bolton shirt lol

2. anything can look good given the right editing

3. keiran gibbs is staying but they could only muster 58secs of clips since he was injured so much and a decent portion of those 58secs included previous season footage and a few more of him goofing during interviews

4. Chessey is a damn good keeper and i imagine wil only get stronger especially due to his extrovert personality and confidence

5.time wil tell if my specualtion is correct, although its a player review from last season. so it still means those leaving are still deserving of a review
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 20, 2011, 04:51:45 PM
So I see dark skies ahead this summer and beyond for arsenal

We can't seem to sell those we don't want or who want to go

We can't seem to hold onto a few we want to stay that are being tempted away

We can't afford nor attract the types of players we need right now instead of next season or the season after

The loud russian is ready to cause a ruckus and give the quiet american very little chance of taking over arsenal

We have reached a ppoint where the kind of players we need no longer think arsenal is a place for them and those dead weights are now fossilized into us that we cannot remove them

Arsenals value has fallen and is now over hyped based on speculation rather than performance

In essence arsenal hjas devalued itself trying to go forward

Unfortunately that is only measured on success and success is measured by how many 1st places you achieve
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: doc on June 20, 2011, 05:22:40 PM
So I see dark skies ahead this summer and beyond for arsenal

We can't seem to sell those we don't want or who want to go

We can't seem to hold onto a few we want to stay that are being tempted away

We can't afford nor attract the types of players we need right now instead of next season or the season after

The loud russian is ready to cause a ruckus and give the quiet american very little chance of taking over arsenal

We have reached a ppoint where the kind of players we need no longer think arsenal is a place for them and those dead weights are now fossilized into us that we cannot remove them

Arsenals value has fallen and is now over hyped based on speculation rather than performance

In essence arsenal hjas devalued itself trying to go forward

Unfortunately that is only measured on success and success is measured by how many 1st places you achieve

an over-active mind at work..... Just go and play some small goal sah!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 22, 2011, 08:05:48 AM
So I see dark skies ahead this summer and beyond for arsenal

We can't seem to sell those we don't want or who want to go

We can't seem to hold onto a few we want to stay that are being tempted away

We can't afford nor attract the types of players we need right now instead of next season or the season after

The loud russian is ready to cause a ruckus and give the quiet american very little chance of taking over arsenal

We have reached a ppoint where the kind of players we need no longer think arsenal is a place for them and those dead weights are now fossilized into us that we cannot remove them

Arsenals value has fallen and is now over hyped based on speculation rather than performance

In essence arsenal hjas devalued itself trying to go forward

Unfortunately that is only measured on success and success is measured by how many 1st places you achieve

an over-active mind at work..... Just go and play some small goal sah!

lol only to hear more arsenal talk? yuh knocking real nice ball but yuh doh score lol
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 22, 2011, 11:13:59 AM
So I see dark skies ahead this summer and beyond for arsenal

We can't seem to sell those we don't want or who want to go

We can't seem to hold onto a few we want to stay that are being tempted away

We can't afford nor attract the types of players we need right now instead of next season or the season after

The loud russian is ready to cause a ruckus and give the quiet american very little chance of taking over arsenal

We have reached a ppoint where the kind of players we need no longer think arsenal is a place for them and those dead weights are now fossilized into us that we cannot remove them

Arsenals value has fallen and is now over hyped based on speculation rather than performance

In essence arsenal hjas devalued itself trying to go forward

Unfortunately that is only measured on success and success is measured by how many 1st places you achieve

an over-active mind at work..... Just go and play some small goal sah!

lol only to hear more arsenal talk? yuh knocking real nice ball but yuh doh score lol
Maybe yuh not a striker?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 22, 2011, 07:40:13 PM
True
But
If I was I'd be better than bendtner
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: doc on June 23, 2011, 06:50:45 AM
True
But
If I was I'd be better than bendtner
Then you may have been able to help the team ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 23, 2011, 06:58:09 AM
True
But
If I was I'd be better than bendtner
Then you may have been able to help the team ;D
I'm over 30 wenger wont give me a contract, i'd play for $150,000 a YEAR! lol
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 23, 2011, 10:15:59 AM
COULD NOT AGREE MORE!

from www.arsenal-mania.com (http://www.arsenal-mania.com)

"Don't tell me English players are ALWAYS over-priced, and that Arsenal can't compete with Manchester United for the top players; at £16million, Ashley Young will be an absolute bargain.

I must admit, with the recent big money moves of Andy Carroll and Jordan Henderson, this relatively modest fee comes as a big surprise, but it does show that the transfer market can still be sensible.

And it does show that, if he'd wanted to, Wenger could have pursued a move for Young, who would be worth an extra ten points a season for Arsenal. £16million would not bankrupt Arsenal, especially when you consider we will probably be selling Nicklas Bendtner for around £10million, and Denilson for another £5million. That's without mentioning the number of shirts Young would sell, or the trophies he would help us win. If Wenger likes money so much he should try winning one of those things, they're actually worth quite a lot.

Young is one of my favourite English players and I'm gutted to see him go to United, where I will now grow to despise him for the countless goals and assists he'll provide for the Champions, as if they needed more of those anyway.

So that's two big signings for United already. Two top English players with Premier League experience. If Wenger hadn't rested on his laurels so often in the past we might have retained the league once or twice. That's more excusable than what's going on now though, when we are in desperate need of new players and something to get excited about, but still nothing has happened.

Christopher Samba has said he wants to move. His manager knows he wants to move and has invited offers as long as they match Blackburn's value of the player. What more invitation do we need? Stop waiting around until Chelsea, Spurs or City sign him.

Speaking of Chelsea, the news was announced yesterday that they have signed themselves the excellent Andre Villas-Boas as their new manager. At 33, it might seem a big move for one so young, but the former Porto boss isn't phased easily, and has been in the game as a scout and other coaching positions since the age of 17. He's not short of experience, and he's definitely not short of guts. He will bring fresh ideas to an ageing Chelsea side, and he will have plenty of money to spend, so there's another reason not to hang around too long, Arsène.

Our rivals may have been at their weakest last season, but we still finished 4th. Right now they're strengthening and we're standing still. This really does not bode well for next season."
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 23, 2011, 02:48:11 PM
^^^^^^^
Ashley Young is not what Arsenal needed last season, and there are 9 weeks left in the transfer window. It's 1/4 over.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 23, 2011, 04:26:36 PM
To be proven wrong
6 barren years is proof enough something needs to change
Yet all we get is smooth talk
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: JDB on June 24, 2011, 01:20:32 PM
Nasri vs Fabregas in a race to the Emirates exit...Whoever go first the next one have to stay.

What a thing.


Cesc Fábregas is free to leave Arsenal but only if Samir Nasri stays (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jun/24/cesc-fabregas-arsenal-samir-nasri)

• Barcelona yet to table an official bid for the Arsenal captain
• Phil Jagielka seen as answer to club's defensive problems

Jamie Jackson
guardian.co.uk,   
Friday 24 June 2011 19.18 BST

Cesc Fábregas will be allowed to leave Arsenal this summer but only if Arsène Wenger convinces Samir Nasri to stay at the club, with the manager more inclined to listen to offers for his captain should the French midfielder sign a new deal.

Wenger has identified Everton's Phil Jagielka, and not Bolton Wanderers's Gary Cahill or Christopher Samba of Blackburn Rovers, as the prime candidate to solve his perennial problems in central defence. It is thought that Wenger tried to sign Jagielka in the previous transfer window in January.

There has still been no recent official bid for Fábregas, with the hierarchy at the Emirates aware of an offer of £27m from Barcelona that is long-standing.

Although the Catalan club is expected to step up its interest in Fábregas this summer, Wenger's priority is to tie the 23-year-old midfielder Nasri to a fresh contract as he has only a year left on his agreement, whereas Fábregas's runs until 2015. The manager is assessing the priorities for his squad before a crucial season for Arsenal, and his own career, as he seeks to end what would be a seven-year trophy drought by the close of the campaign.

He is conscious that Fábregas, who is on holiday in Bali before he returns to his family home in Barcelona next week, does not fit easily into a 4-4-2 and the manager is deciding how best to perform surgery on the structure and personnel of his squad.

Wenger is aware that Fábregas, whom he signed from Barcelona as a 16-year-old in 2003, is firmer than ever in his intent to depart for his home club even though he has not lodged an official transfer request.

After Nasri's stand-out season in the last campaign, which tailed off only towards the close following the fall-out from the disappointment of losing the Carling Cup final to Birmingham City, Wenger is willing to offer him improved terms that will raise his salary to £100,000 a week as he attempts to stave off interest from Manchester United, who head a queue of suitors.

Regarding the prospect of a move to Old Trafford Nasri, who turns 24 on Sunday, said this month: "I don't know if I will sign a new contract. Anyway, the discussions are ongoing."

Although Wenger is not looking to move Fábregas on, he is also not entirely opposed to the midfielder leaving, yet he knows that this should not happen before Nasri's future is determined because of the negative signals this would offer to Arsenal's rivals and supporters.

If Nasri does depart, then Wenger will be all the keener to hold on to Fábregas. But if he can convince Nasri to stay, then the healthy professional relationship between Ivan Gazidis, the Arsenal chief executive, and Sandro Rosell, the Barcelona president, may come into play.

Both serve on Fifa, Uefa and European Clubs Association committees and occasionally take lunch together where conversation can turn to Fábregas's future.

Peter Hill-Wood, the Arsenal chairman, confirmed last week that the Champions League winners have recently restated their interest in the midfielder.

"Yes, they have spoken to us about Cesc. They have been in touch. But so far they have not made a bid and we do not want to let him go," he said. "But he comes from Barcelona, so it is understandable if he wanted to go back. However, they have not made an offer so far."

Wenger is continuing discussions with Lille to try to sign Gervinho, the Ivory Coast striker who scored 15 goals as the French club won their domestic league and cup double. If he does join the club, the 24-year-old, who played in last summer's World Cup, is likely to cost around £12m.

Cahill and Samba remain on Wenger's radar and so does the Belgian winger Eden Hazard, Gervinho's 20-year-old team-mate, but Nicklas Bendtner, Tomas Rosicky, Denílson and Carlos Vela are free to leave the club as part of a major rebuilding drive.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 25, 2011, 02:15:14 AM
^^^^^^^^^
There are 2 actual pieces of news in this whole article:

1) PHW says Barca bid for Cesc but he is not for sale
2) Nasri says he is still negotiating a new contract and it is not final

I really wonder how a newspaper with international recognition and respect like the Guardian could make up stories like this. What a pile of tootoo! Like the editor of the Bomb buy Guardian yes!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: giggsy11 on June 25, 2011, 07:20:06 AM
If Nasri sign another contract Arsene9 has to play him in the position where he most effective; in the middle behind the striker. None of this wide shite accept if he just fillin in now and then!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 25, 2011, 01:24:00 PM
Maybe. Gunners have 3 top players whose best position is there though. Tough to accommodate.

If Nasri sign another contract Arsene9 has to play him in the position where he most effective; in the middle behind the striker. None of this wide shite accept if he just fillin in now and then!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 25, 2011, 06:00:41 PM
f**k arsenal

6 years of SSDD

I want change

We want change

Sick of being  the almost maybes on every level of football

Except if you are a share holder then you are laughing all the way to the bank


Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 27, 2011, 08:59:32 AM
Article on Wenger target and Lille forward/winger Gervinho:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/ben_lyttleton/06/25/gervinho/index.html?sct=sc_t11_a2 (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/ben_lyttleton/06/25/gervinho/index.html?sct=sc_t11_a2)

Ivory Coast international Gervinho will flourish in the Premier League

Story Highlights
Ivory Coast international Gervinho can either play winger or forward
Gervinho was critical during Lille's title run with double figures in goals and assists
Gervinho is deceptively strong with pace and the ability to beat people easily

For a player on the verge of a proposed €13 million ($18.4M) move to Arsenal, the 24-year-old Gervinho certainly splits opinion and not just among the London club's fans, who would rather see his Lille teammate Eden Hazard join.

Former France international Emmanuel Petit has questioned whether Gervinho is good enough for Arsenal, while France Football magazine only had him in 25th place in their season ratings. On the other hand, another World Cup winner, Christophe Dugarry, was scandalized that Gervinho was not named France's Player of the Year, and his coach Rudi Garcia called him "the most influential player in one-on-ones in France."

First, some facts: Gervinho contributed massively to Lille's title triumph last season, its first since 1954, and his move to the Premier League, after four years in Ligue 1, is well-deserved. He was the only player in France to reach double figures for goals (15) and assists (10) last season, which is a rarer feat than you might imagine (only two players, Wayne Rooney and Didier Drogba, managed the same in the Premier League). "It's those two statistics together that people fail to underline," Garcia told So Foot magazine.

No team scored more than Lille, whose 4-3-3 system had Gervinho mainly on the right with Eden Hazard left and Moussa Sow, who top-scored with 25 goals, through the middle. The combination worked perfectly, with Hazard winning some matches with individual brilliance, while Gervinho drifted into dangerous positions as an auxiliary striker.

Yet it seems that Hazard's presence has somehow counted against Gervinho, at least in comparisons between the two. Hazard, France's Player of the Year, is undoubtedly a special talent with the skills and mentality to play at the very top level. Gervinho might be one level below his teammate, but taken in isolation -- away from the Hazard comparison -- he remains an extremely strong player, who can get past opponents, cross well, find good positions, and score (in fact, his finishing is far better than Hazard's).

Gervinho has improved every season since taking the well-worn route from Abidjan club ASEC Mimosas to Belgian side Beveren, where his teammates included Yaya Toure, Emmanuel Eboue, Arthur Boka, and Ndri Romaric. In 2007, he signed for Le Mans, but his arrival caused tension: then-coach Frederic Hantz knew nothing about the player who interrupted training one morning and introduced himself to his new teammates. Sports director Daniel Jeandupeux had signed him, and Hantz left that summer. Garcia replaced him, and set about improving Gervinho's consistency and efficiency in front of goal.

"When he was playing for Le Mans, he was very young and still had inconsistencies, but since he's been at Lille he's shown he is capable of playing at the top level regularly," Le Mans technical director Alain Pascalou told France Football. "I think Arsenal corresponds to his youth and his mentality and on top of that, you have Arsene Wenger there, who would be like a guide to him, just as Rudi Garcia was at Lille."

It was Pascalou who helped a young Drogba emerge at Le Mans, and just like the Chelsea forward, Gervinho's upper-body strength has improved considerably in France. He looks slight, but defenders looking to shoulder-barge tend to bounce off him.

Garcia has praised his versatility, but in truth, Gervinho has yet to prove himself in anything other than a 4-3-3 system. Though his profile fits the ideal Premier League winger -- he is fast, brave, can dribble and beat players -- his finishing ability conjures up an intriguing option: to eventually become a center forward. After all, when Arsene Wenger converted Thierry Henry from a winger into a center forward, it didn't turn out too badly.

And so for €13 million, a top-class winger with the potential to develop into a prolific scorer sounds like good business. Arsenal fans have recently grown out of this habit, but perhaps they should do what they used to, and remember that "Arsene Knows."

Ben Lyttleton has written about French football for various publications. He edited an oral history of the European Cup, Match of My Life: European Cup Finals, which was published in 2006.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Peong on June 27, 2011, 09:47:26 AM
So what about this?  Valencia will only do business if the price meets their valuation.

Arsenal launch bid for Mata (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/930513/arsenal-launch-bid-for-juan-mata?cc=5901)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 27, 2011, 10:00:22 AM
So what about this?  Valencia will only do business if the price meets their valuation.

Arsenal launch bid for Mata (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/930513/arsenal-launch-bid-for-juan-mata?cc=5901)

Is like anybody with some speed and a usable left foot Arsenal tracking?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: fari on June 27, 2011, 10:45:56 AM
So what about this?  Valencia will only do business if the price meets their valuation.

Arsenal launch bid for Mata (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/930513/arsenal-launch-bid-for-juan-mata?cc=5901)

Is like anybody with some speed and a usable left foot Arsenal tracking?

some of them are smoke screens, u know how we does do it...out of all of them i prefer either mata or gervinho.  both are winners, incredibly skilled and would fit into our system and give us different looks up top.  i could imagine gervinho with his skill playing off chamakh. mata is a man could pass a ball thru the eye of a needle, looks unassuming but deadly
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Peong on June 27, 2011, 11:56:48 AM
So what about this?  Valencia will only do business if the price meets their valuation.

Arsenal launch bid for Mata (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/930513/arsenal-launch-bid-for-juan-mata?cc=5901)

Is like anybody with some speed and a usable left foot Arsenal tracking?

Mata is not just anybody breds.  That is a boss player right there.  Watch some La Liga nah man.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Tenorsaw on June 27, 2011, 12:10:00 PM
So what about this?  Valencia will only do business if the price meets their valuation.

Arsenal launch bid for Mata (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/930513/arsenal-launch-bid-for-juan-mata?cc=5901)

Is like anybody with some speed and a usable left foot Arsenal tracking?

Mata is not just anybody breds.  That is a boss player right there.  Watch some La Liga nah man.

Right now, I want Mata, but it looking like it will be Downing and Lennon on the wings for 'Pool.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 27, 2011, 12:37:56 PM
So what about this?  Valencia will only do business if the price meets their valuation.

Arsenal launch bid for Mata (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/930513/arsenal-launch-bid-for-juan-mata?cc=5901)

Is like anybody with some speed and a usable left foot Arsenal tracking?

Mata is not just anybody breds.  That is a boss player right there.  Watch some La Liga nah man.

You misunderstood me. I watch La Liga (a little) and I agree Mata is a borse. I liked him since the World Cup and was kind of surprised they played him in the U21s. My comment is more that once a player have a decent rep, left footed and have a lil speed these papers linking him with the Arsenal. Honestly I doh see Wenger spending de kinda money dey go call for Mata on a plan B (and believe me, a flying left winger is a plan B for Arsenal). Anyway, doh study it. I not fighting down de man. I have respect for him. I just doh see it happening.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 27, 2011, 05:02:39 PM
No one wants to play for Arsenal

Wait...

Arsenal doesn't want to PAY for anyone
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 27, 2011, 05:16:28 PM
No one wants to play for Arsenal

Wait...

Arsenal doesn't want to PAY for anyone

Time will tell. 9 1/2 weeks left. Not even close to panicking time.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 28, 2011, 07:04:56 AM
new kit out

some interesting twitter comments by former board holder lady nina bracewell-smith

basically that dien was a trouble maker, the board are as we thought just interested in making as much as they can and not about winning shite and such

oh the dramas that happen behind the scenes
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 28, 2011, 07:13:51 AM
and of course wenger replies to a "fan" in an "open" letter

i was hoping it would have been something different but it isnt...


With Cesc Fabregas seemingly close to a move to Barcelona and both Samir Nasri and Gael Clichy yet to extend their contracts, Arsenal fans will have growing cause for concern at the club's failure to announce any big-name signings at this stage.

Gervinho, Juan Mata, Ricardo Alvarez, Gary Cahill and Christopher Samba have all been linked with a move to the club, and Wenger has accepted that changes are needed, but in a letter addressed to a disillusioned Gunners fan that has been reproduced in The Sun, he has stressed that the market must be approached with due caution.

"We have shown that we have the technical quality to win the league but certainly not the defensive solidity to do it," he wrote. "We have learned that we have the quality, despite what everybody is saying, but of course we need to gain some strength in some areas of the team.

"We are frustrated and disappointed but we should not go overboard. We have to rectify things in the areas that we need to improve. Mentally, of course, I hope that the team has learned a lot this season because we could not cope with the number of games, nor the pressure in the important moments of the season."

He added: "Fabregas has played 22 games, Van Persie 18 or 19 games and Vermaelen has played four of five games. In decisive moments, we have never had the team together.

"We have to rectify some things in our squad and we will try to do it. But it is not easy, even with money. We will try to do the right thing. I don't know how much we have spent in recent years. We will try to buy the right player.

"We will spend the needed money but you first have to find the right players and then turn up with the money. If we find the right players, we will spend the money. I think it is the responsibility of a football manager to behave in a responsible way.

"Even if people say we have to spend money, we have to be realistic. We cannot buy players for £50 million and, even if we try to strengthen our team and spend money if needed, that is fact."

Wenger also highlighted the fact that, although Arsenal finished fourth and again ended the season empty-handed, they showed their quality with victories against Barcelona and Manchester United in 2011.

Wenger said: "We have enough quality to beat anyone in the world, even with the current squad. You had a Champions League final and only one team has beaten both of them and that is Arsenal."
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Touches on June 28, 2011, 08:18:19 AM
Look D Letter Here


http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3663000/Arsene-Wenger-pens-heartfelt-letter-to-unhappy-Arsenal-supporter.html


Read dat
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 28, 2011, 08:43:55 AM
Funny how that letter looks like they strung together every single Wenger quote from the past 6 months.

Look D Letter Here


http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3663000/Arsene-Wenger-pens-heartfelt-letter-to-unhappy-Arsenal-supporter.html


Read dat
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 28, 2011, 11:30:50 AM
Agreed!^^^^
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Blue on June 28, 2011, 12:57:24 PM
new kit out

(http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/world_of_sport__9/world_of_sport-508025722-1309272105.jpg?ymqw3PFDCSFFpa5m)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 28, 2011, 01:09:26 PM
Since when Emirates sponsoring QRC?

Maybe Arsenal could enter Intercol next season and end its trophy drought?

new kit out

(http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/world_of_sport__9/world_of_sport-508025722-1309272105.jpg?ymqw3PFDCSFFpa5m)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 28, 2011, 03:53:06 PM
So come friday we supposed to unveil 3 new signings

Oh the dreams of the desperately hopeful
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 28, 2011, 05:50:33 PM
Where'd you hear that?

So come friday we supposed to unveil 3 new signings

Oh the dreams of the desperately hopeful

Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: mukumsplau on June 28, 2011, 06:21:46 PM
So come friday we supposed to unveil 3 new signings

Oh the dreams of the desperately hopeful


i hear arsenal rumoured to be wanting arturo vidal?

keep away!!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 29, 2011, 05:40:52 AM
On the Arsenal facebook page
 
Where'd you hear that?

So come friday we supposed to unveil 3 new signings

Oh the dreams of the desperately hopeful

Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on June 29, 2011, 08:50:32 AM
They doh have to reveal their hands as long as they get the players they need.
It looks as though they pointing towards Fabregas leaving for the right price which is their right and he's a good lil player but he seems desperate to leave and credit to him he hasn't gone and made a media mess of it ... so as long as barca dish out the cash they will let him go.

Out of the players available Nasri would do a good job in the middle role so naturally Wenger looking to keep him ... he has a lot of options in the middle so it seems he is looking for talent on the wings because our balance is off as well as our width .. realistically we only get real width with Walcott .. prudent.
he's looking at gervinho, mata, alvarez all natural wing players .. smart.

he knows he needs to bring in something defensively but to be honest defensively we lost our main sweeper all season it's not a normal occurence whch leaves us with djourou, kos, verminator and if clichy leaves this is the time to play his undertstudy plus he's brought in the kid from charlton .. defensively then we only really need one more defender .. either samba or the youth from bolton.

Goalkeeping dept .. we have two talented kids who have come of agelast eason all three got injured .. again not a norm so realistically I think we're good in that dept.
We cant go changing up everything believe it or not we have talent on this team to do some real damage
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 29, 2011, 10:02:54 AM
That seems to be Wenger's way now. Pack the team with central midfield creators. Problem is, when teams defend deep and narrow you need wingers and long range marksmen to draw defenders out and open up gaps. I agree with you about the wingers. In terms of long range shooting RvP has a good shot from distance but few other players. I thought the same of Arshavin and Nasri but they didn't really do it this past season. I can see Wilshere doing it but he needs to do some serious work on it this summer.

I doh like the idea of Cesc leaving this summer. his range of passing is far ahead of our other players and there aren't many players who can replace him for Arsenal (yet).

They doh have to reveal their hands as long as they get the players they need.
It looks as though they pointing towards Fabregas leaving for the right price which is their right and he's a good lil player but he seems desperate to leave and credit to him he hasn't gone and made a media mess of it ... so as long as barca dish out the cash they will let him go.

Out of the players available Nasri would do a good job in the middle role so naturally Wenger looking to keep him ... he has a lot of options in the middle so it seems he is looking for talent on the wings because our balance is off as well as our width .. realistically we only get real width with Walcott .. prudent.
he's looking at gervinho, mata, alvarez all natural wing players .. smart.

he knows he needs to bring in something defensively but to be honest defensively we lost our main sweeper all season it's not a normal occurence whch leaves us with djourou, kos, verminator and if clichy leaves this is the time to play his undertstudy plus he's brought in the kid from charlton .. defensively then we only really need one more defender .. either samba or the youth from bolton.

Goalkeeping dept .. we have two talented kids who have come of agelast eason all three got injured .. again not a norm so realistically I think we're good in that dept.
We cant go changing up everything believe it or not we have talent on this team to do some real damage

Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 29, 2011, 11:03:56 AM
You both forgot to mention that there are dead wood players that we cant seem to get rid of (some want to leave) mainly because thie rwage demands cannot be met (why we offered so much on shithounds i will never know, so much for wengers good business eh?)

almunia, bendtner, denilson, rosicky, and maybe diaby n eboue should go

BUT

everybody wants them for way less than we paid for them!

IF WE SEND NASRI TO MANU THEN WENGER MUST FOLLOW NASRI OUT THE DOOR, no ifs ands or buts be f**king stupid to lose cesc and him especially to league rivals??

wtf is this club up too?

That seems to be Wenger's way now. Pack the team with central midfield creators. Problem is, when teams defend deep and narrow you need wingers and long range marksmen to draw defenders out and open up gaps. I agree with you about the wingers. In terms of long range shooting RvP has a good shot from distance but few other players. I thought the same of Arshavin and Nasri but they didn't really do it this past season. I can see Wilshere doing it but he needs to do some serious work on it this summer.

I doh like the idea of Cesc leaving this summer. his range of passing is far ahead of our other players and there aren't many players who can replace him for Arsenal (yet).

They doh have to reveal their hands as long as they get the players they need.
It looks as though they pointing towards Fabregas leaving for the right price which is their right and he's a good lil player but he seems desperate to leave and credit to him he hasn't gone and made a media mess of it ... so as long as barca dish out the cash they will let him go.

Out of the players available Nasri would do a good job in the middle role so naturally Wenger looking to keep him ... he has a lot of options in the middle so it seems he is looking for talent on the wings because our balance is off as well as our width .. realistically we only get real width with Walcott .. prudent.
he's looking at gervinho, mata, alvarez all natural wing players .. smart.

he knows he needs to bring in something defensively but to be honest defensively we lost our main sweeper all season it's not a normal occurence whch leaves us with djourou, kos, verminator and if clichy leaves this is the time to play his undertstudy plus he's brought in the kid from charlton .. defensively then we only really need one more defender .. either samba or the youth from bolton.

Goalkeeping dept .. we have two talented kids who have come of agelast eason all three got injured .. again not a norm so realistically I think we're good in that dept.
We cant go changing up everything believe it or not we have talent on this team to do some real damage

Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 29, 2011, 11:11:31 AM
copied from bbc article:

Two weeks ago, Ivan Gazidis, all too aware of unprecedented levels of dissent among his club's fans, promised a stormy meeting of the Arsenal Supporters' Trust that the time had finally come for change.

"We're going to see some turnover of players, some new signings coming in. I expect it will be a busy close season for the club," the chief executive insisted.

Gazidis knew he was under pressure. Having at one stage been fighting for trophies on four fronts last season, the team's prospects fell apart following the shattering Carling Cup final defeat by Birmingham City and they eventually finished fourth in the Premier League, and trophyless for a sixth consecutive season.

That, combined with a controversial decision to increase ticket prices and the uncertainty created by elusive American billionaire Stan Kroenke's effective takeover, left the bond between club and fans as fragile as many AST members could remember.

"We're working hard, very hard. We need to correct failings that we have, and there'll be some new signings and some departures," said Gazidis, heralding a watershed summer.

Since then, Arsenal's fans have had to sit and watch while champions Manchester United have strengthened with the big-money acquisitions of Phil Jones and Ashley Young, Liverpool have spent similar amounts on Jordan Henderson, and Chelsea have completed the most expensive managerial signing in history by recruiting Andre Villas-Boas from Porto.

Meanwhile, at the Emirates, they've had to make do with the £1m capture of Carl Jenkinson from Charlton - and the focus of transfer activity is now on the possibility of their captain leaving, rather than any incoming new faces.

Barcelona's reported bid for Cesc Fabregas is no surprise, given their long-standing interest in bringing the midfielder home. Equally, the player himself clearly wants to return - but what may have shifted is Arsenal's attitude.

Fabregas was in Indonesia earlier this week, presenting medals at an under-14 tournament - photo: AP
My understanding is that Barcelona would like to conclude a deal when Fabregas is back in the city next week, visiting friends and family.

They would prefer to do business before he is forced to return to pre-season training in London on 5 July, enabling him to go on Barca's tour to the US, and avoid the messy, late negotiations that did little for relations with Arsenal last close-season.

So what should Arsenal do if and when a raised bid comes in? On the one hand they are well within their rights to follow the lead of Spurs when rebuffing Chelsea's pursuit of Luka Modric, and ignore Barcelona again.

Fabregas still has four years of his contract left to run so Wenger has no need to panic yet. Perhaps most decisively, if Gazidis and Kroenke think the mood among the fans is hostile now, just wait until they allow Fabregas to leave for less than his worth. They know this and may not dare countenance such a move.

However, Barcelona have other transfer targets and their maximum spend of £35m falls significantly short of Arsenal's valuation for their midfielder, and until this gap closes any deal remains unlikely.

The Spanish club knows it will get its man one day, perhaps at a time in the future when he would fit more easily into their stellar side, so their president Sandro Rosell may simply say the right things to please the club's members, but then fail to raise his offer sufficiently.

And yet, for the first time, Arsene Wenger may be prepared to think the previously unthinkable. Fabregas' recent injury problems, (he scored just three league goals last season), the emergence of Jack Wilshere and the problems associated with retaining an unsettled player may mean the manager allows his captain to leave.

Wenger may look at the way United and Liverpool have survived and then thrived following the painful departures of icons Cristiano Ronaldo and Fernando Torres respectively, and begin a much-needed revamp in spectacular style.

But Arsenal have another problem. The harsh reality is that despite being 95% owned by two billionaires, Kroenke and Alisher Usmanov, and boasting a fantastic stadium, the club is no longer in the same financial league as the likes of Manchester United, Chelsea and Manchester City when it comes to player wages and transfer spend.

To some extent this can be put down to a noble emphasis on sustainability at a time when loss-making has become the norm in the Premier League, and with Uefa's Financial Fair Play rules on the horizon, the club's foresight should be recognised.

But just like on the pitch, Arsenal are also guilty of financial underperformance. In the 2009-10 season, for instance, the club's commercial revenue of £44m was almost half of that of United's £84m.

Seven years ago, rather than issue equity but dilute their highly profitable stakes in the club, Arsenal's principal share-holders sold long-term naming rights for their new stadium and struck a shirt-sponsorship deal as part of the same agreement.

Today, Manchester United, Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs and Aston Villa all have more valuable deals, but Arsenal are locked in, hence the club's commercially-driven pre-season tour to the Far East next month, which will go ahead despite Wenger's reservations.

"We're well behind the clubs we're expected to compete with in revenue," admitted Gazidis a fortnight ago.

"We're competing with clubs who spend a lot more than us, so our spend must be as efficient as possible."

This all matters because as well as the uncertainty over Fabregas, the club has also allowed the contracts of players like Gael Clichy and Samir Nasri to run down, and both are now deciding whether to stay at the Emirates.

Arsenal are now in advanced negotiations with three key targets, with Phil Jagielka, Gervinho and Ricky Alvarez all linked with a move to the club, but many fans feel that Wenger, due to his distaste for the kind of "financial doping" he sees at other clubs, is too loyal to the principle of developing talent rather than simply buying it in.

Certainly, rival clubs have become equally familiar with the French talent pool of young players that Wenger has traditionally scoured for value signings.

Others believe Wenger badly misses the guidance and decisiveness of his friend, former vice-chairman David Dein, the man responsible for many of the club's most successful signings in the first decade of the manager's tenure.

Four years after he left the club, Dein's return would perhaps help when it comes to the issue of Fabregas. His son Darren is the Spaniard's agent, another twist in a long-running saga. Certainly, the bitter battle between Kroenke and Usmanov, who recently criticised the board for the recent lack of silverware, can hardly help when it comes to a consistent transfer strategy.

Usmanov now owns close to the 30% of shares required to be granted access to the club's detailed financial accounts under Premier League rules. He is expected to take up that opportunity in order to highlight where mistakes have been made over player contracts. Some feel that Gazidis is struggling, that Kroenke is too distant and needs to communicate directly with the supporters for the first time since taking control.

Perhaps no other club in the Premier League better demonstrates the tension between ambition and responsibility. There is tension between the main shareholders. There is tension between the board and the fans. And there is tension between Arsenal and Barcelona over what to do about Fabregas.

Arsenal's decision over their captain will set the tone for the club for seasons to come. But whatever Arsenal now does, the saga has highlighted challenging times for a traditional club struggling to adapt to the modern footballing landscape.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Blue on June 29, 2011, 05:02:20 PM
Fabregas was in Indonesia earlier this week, presenting medals at an under-14 tournament - photo: AP
My understanding is that Barcelona would like to conclude a deal when Fabregas is back in the city next week, visiting friends and family.

I was in Spain on Monday and all the sports pages had pics of Fabregas in Barcelona, smiling and giving the thumbs up. As far as they are concerned, its a done deal.
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Post by: Ngozi on June 29, 2011, 05:29:24 PM
Fabregas was in Indonesia earlier this week, presenting medals at an under-14 tournament - photo: AP
My understanding is that Barcelona would like to conclude a deal when Fabregas is back in the city next week, visiting friends and family.

I was in Spain on Monday and all the sports pages had pics of Fabregas in Barcelona, smiling and giving the thumbs up. As far as they are concerned, its a done deal.

 If they come to the table with 40 mill they'll take it ... the only how they would accept 35 mil is if they get a significant player in exchange in additon to it.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: soccerman on June 29, 2011, 05:55:50 PM
Fabregas was in Indonesia earlier this week, presenting medals at an under-14 tournament - photo: AP
My understanding is that Barcelona would like to conclude a deal when Fabregas is back in the city next week, visiting friends and family.

I was in Spain on Monday and all the sports pages had pics of Fabregas in Barcelona, smiling and giving the thumbs up. As far as they are concerned, its a done deal.

Why would Cesc want to go their at this moment ??? To ride pine ???
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: giggsy11 on June 29, 2011, 06:13:39 PM
Fabregas was in Indonesia earlier this week, presenting medals at an under-14 tournament - photo: AP
My understanding is that Barcelona would like to conclude a deal when Fabregas is back in the city next week, visiting friends and family.

I was in Spain on Monday and all the sports pages had pics of Fabregas in Barcelona, smiling and giving the thumbs up. As far as they are concerned, its a done deal.

Why would Cesc want to go their at this moment ??? To ride pine ???


Maybe he tired of the responsibilites he has at Arsenal and just wants to enjoy football again? Plus he wants to leave, so they should let him leave after getting good price.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Blue on June 29, 2011, 06:19:24 PM
Fabregas was in Indonesia earlier this week, presenting medals at an under-14 tournament - photo: AP
My understanding is that Barcelona would like to conclude a deal when Fabregas is back in the city next week, visiting friends and family.

I was in Spain on Monday and all the sports pages had pics of Fabregas in Barcelona, smiling and giving the thumbs up. As far as they are concerned, its a done deal.

Why would Cesc want to go their at this moment ??? To ride pine ???


Maybe he tired of the responsibilites he has at Arsenal and just wants to enjoy football again? Plus he wants to leave, so they should let him leave after getting good price.

There are any number of reasons why Cesc would want 2 go 2 Barca, not least because its his hometown. Yall looking for Arsenal-related reasons, when it probably has nothing 2 do with Arsenal.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 29, 2011, 07:27:58 PM
Fabregas was in Indonesia earlier this week, presenting medals at an under-14 tournament - photo: AP
My understanding is that Barcelona would like to conclude a deal when Fabregas is back in the city next week, visiting friends and family.

I was in Spain on Monday and all the sports pages had pics of Fabregas in Barcelona, smiling and giving the thumbs up. As far as they are concerned, its a done deal.

As far as they were concerned it was a done deal last season too, so that means precisely nothing.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 29, 2011, 07:34:54 PM
Fabregas was in Indonesia earlier this week, presenting medals at an under-14 tournament - photo: AP
My understanding is that Barcelona would like to conclude a deal when Fabregas is back in the city next week, visiting friends and family.

I was in Spain on Monday and all the sports pages had pics of Fabregas in Barcelona, smiling and giving the thumbs up. As far as they are concerned, its a done deal.

Why would Cesc want to go their at this moment ??? To ride pine ???

He has spoken about it before. Barca is in his blood. And they on top the world now. He not made of stone. Anyone would want to do it in his position. To his credit he is a consummate professional who understands his responsibilities and is not unhappy at Arsenal (apart from the lack of silverware). People who say his heart not in it talking crap. How they know his heart not in it? They does read his diary? The man had a bad season (by his standards) and still perform. We all know he will end up there but he will respect the club who gave him his shot and turned him from a highly talented boy into a world class player. No true Arsenal supporter can begrudge him that.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 29, 2011, 08:22:25 PM
Special thanks to dwn for sending me this. Pretty interesting. The author does acknowledge that stats aren't the whole picture:

http://blog.emiratesstadium.info/archives/12805 (http://blog.emiratesstadium.info/archives/12805)

A closer look at Gael Clichy

By Wrenny

While recently perusing the excellent football stats site whoscored.com I came across some numbers concerning Arsenal’s much-maligned left back Gael Clichy which I found intriguing. And I thought Untold readers might be intrigued by them too.

Before I begin though I would like to make one thing clear – I did not set out to write an article to defend Clichy before looking through his statistics. This really came about by chance; a quick glance at his numbers piqued my interest to investigate further, and as I dug deeper into the stats and put together a few comparison tables I found the strength of them convincing and felt compelled to share my surprising findings.

So as I was saying, while casting my beady eye over some stats my attention was drawn to a particular table on the Arsenal page of the WhoScored site – the top 5 Arsenal players for the 2010/2011 season, according to their average match ratings. While there were no surprises on the leaders with Van Persie in first place, Cesc in second, and Nasri in third, I was very surprised indeed to see that Clichy had sneaked into fifth place, just behind Alex Song.

Now, I suspect many of you will be rather sceptical of the worth of these ‘match ratings’ and I don’t blame you. So was I at first, but having looked at the wealth of information collected on individual players that forms the basis of these ratings, I believe there is plenty of clout behind these figures. Nevertheless, I am not attempting to prove anything with these ratings alone; they were simply a jumping-off point which lead me to look at ‘the numbers behind the numbers’. Below you will find the table for Arsenal players’ individual ratings for the season, which I expanded from the site’s top 5 to include the top 10 performers.
   Season Rating       Season Rating
Van Persie    7.53                    Vermaelen    7.00
Fabregas    7.46                    Sagna    6.98
Nasri            7.28                    Arshavin    6.91
Song            7.12                    Diaby    6.91
Clichy    7.03                    Wilshere    6.91

I thought it interesting that Clichy actually came above fellow full-back Bacary Sagna in these figures (although their ratings are not very far apart) when Sagna is widely perceived to be a far superior defender to Clichy and was of course voted into the PFA Team of the Year while Clichy is often spoken of as a liability. For the purpose of my analysis however, I will be focusing on Clichy and comparing him to his fellow Premier League left-backs. So for my next task I put together the season ratings for the most-played LB of each Premier League club, to see where Clichy would end up when compared to his peers such as Ashley Cole, Patrice Evra and the on-form Leighton Baines. From there I could select the top performers and look more closely at their numbers.


   Season Rating       Season Rating
Baines    7.09                    Warnock    6.60
Clichy    7.03                    Robinson    6.58
Assou-Ekotto 6.93            Elokobi    6.55
Evra            6.85                   Figueroa    6.54
A. Cole    6.82                Collins    6.50
Bardsley    6.80                Givet    6.48
Enrique    6.79                Konchesky    6.46
Crainey    6.67                Bridge    6.46
Kolarov    6.65                Ridgewell    6.42
Salcido    6.65                Shorey    6.34

Surprised? I certainly was. According to the WhoScored ratings, Gael Clichy was only out-performed in his position by Everton’s Leighton Baines, and only then by a small margin. The ‘Best Left-Back in the World’ Ashley Cole came a disappointing fifth.

From there I decided to take the 5 highest-rated players in the table and have a much closer look at their statistics, hoping to discover how their overall ratings might have come about. As much of the criticism aimed at Clichy seems to be of his defensive ability, I deemed it best to compare the players’ attacking prowess first. My thinking behind this was to find out whether Clichy’s high rating of 7.03 could have been ‘inflated’ due to him contributing more in attack than other left-backs, therefore disguising a relative weakness in his defending. If anything, the opposite was true:
                   Goals    Assists
Baines            5            11
Clichy            0            1
Assou-Ekotto    0            0
Evra                    1            1
A. Cole            0            3

As you can see, Spurs’ Assou-Ekotto is the only one of the five to made fewer goal-scoring contributions to his team last season than Gael Clichy. Looking at this table it also becomes apparent how Leighton Baines has topped the left-back charts – by virtue of taking many of Everton’s set pieces and delivering plenty of teasing crosses he amassed an incredible 5 goals and 11 assists. Where might he have placed if judged purely on his defensive work? Lower than Clichy, that is without doubt. Cole and Evra also made bigger goal-scoring contributions than Clichy, though to a much smaller degree than Baines, yet find themselves with a lower overall rating than Gael.

So by now I’m itching to analyse Clichy’s defensive stats; if he has rated above the highly-regarded Evra and Cole and got so close to assist-machine Leighton Baines on the season’s average ratings, despite a low offensive contribution, his defensive numbers must be strong. I wasn’t disappointed.

The following table shows each player’s average number of successful tackles, successful interceptions and clearances per game in the 2010/2011 season, providing a very strong indicator of each left-back’s defensive contribution to his team.
                   Tackles p/g    Interceptions p/g    Clearances p/g
Baines            2.2                    1.3                            2.7
Clichy            3.4                    3.2                            4.5
Assou-Ekotto    2.7                    3.5                            3.8
Evra                    2.3                    2.3                            2.7
A. Cole            2.6                    1.3                            1.2

Once again, Clichy’s numbers throw up a big surprise. He is well ahead of all his peers in the number of tackles and clearances he makes per game, and by a large margin. He only failed to top the chart on the number of interceptions he makes per game, which went to Assou-Ekotto, yet he still makes far more interceptions than the three other defenders in the table.

I also took the liberty of combining the players’ numbers of tackles, interceptions and clearances into one total figure, to get a feel for how many critical contributions they are making in defence in an average game.
   Tackles + Interceptions + Clearances p/g
Baines                            6.2
Clichy                            11.1
Assou-Ekotto                    10.0
Evra                                    7.3
A. Cole                            5.1

Overall, this paints a picture of Clichy as a player who is defensively very busy, much more so than other defenders at the big clubs. Perhaps the question should be not whether we could find a better left-back, but if we are capable of offering the left-back we have greater protection so that he is not forced into getting through quite so much defensive work. It might also be worth pointing out that, although he is not lacking experience, at 25 Clichy is the youngest of the five left-backs in this analysis.

The last stat I will be looking at concerns losing the ball. Clichy has often been criticised for losing possession in dangerous areas, and although I cannot show where exactly on the pitch the ball is being lost, I do have the stats for the average number of dispossessions and turnovers each player suffered per game last season. Is this where Clichy finally lets himself down?

                   Dispossessed p/g    Turnovers p/g
Baines                 1.3                      0.8
Clichy             0.7                      0.4
Assou-Ekotto    1.0                      0.6
Evra                      1.3                      0.8
A. Cole             1.2                      0.9

No. Yet again, he comes out on top. Baines and Evra are dispossessed of the ball almost twice as often as Gael, and the numbers for turnovers tell a similar story. This is not a player who appears to be careless or sloppy with the ball.

I would like to finish by saying that I believe statistics can only tell us so much, and this piece is not meant as any kind of conclusive proof of Clichy’s quality. But I hope that the numbers here can help us better understand his performance levels and inform any discussions regarding him. Thank you for reading and I’ll see you in the comments.
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Post by: dwn on June 29, 2011, 09:59:43 PM
Goalkeeping dept .. we have two talented kids who have come of agelast eason all three got injured .. again not a norm so realistically I think we're good in that dept.
We cant go changing up everything believe it or not we have talent on this team to do some real damage

I would say one talented kid. Fabianski is horrible.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 29, 2011, 10:11:33 PM
Goalkeeping dept .. we have two talented kids who have come of agelast eason all three got injured .. again not a norm so realistically I think we're good in that dept.
We cant go changing up everything believe it or not we have talent on this team to do some real damage

I would say one talented kid. Fabianski is horrible.
I wouldn't say horrble. Not as good as Szczesny, but still talented. Far better than Almunia.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on June 30, 2011, 05:36:32 AM
Goalkeeping dept .. we have two talented kids who have come of agelast eason all three got injured .. again not a norm so realistically I think we're good in that dept.
We cant go changing up everything believe it or not we have talent on this team to do some real damage

I would say one talented kid. Fabianski is horrible.
Fabianski from two seasons back was horrible not from last season!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 30, 2011, 07:03:41 AM
what that article tells me is we need to sign leighton baines!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 30, 2011, 07:22:40 AM
what that article tells me is we need to sign leighton baines!

Which would mean we have both Arshavin and Baines not defending on the left? If that happens, Michael Jackson (or Valencia) is going to have a field day on August 27th.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: giggsy11 on June 30, 2011, 09:08:13 AM
According to reports Clichy to sign with Man City.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 30, 2011, 09:38:04 AM
According to reports Clichy to sign with Man City.

I read that. Hope is not true. Doh think Wenger would sell him to a PL rival. Especially since City is the most militant club about that, letting Shay Given bench for a year.

I real hope Clichy re-signs with us. He will be hard to replace.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 30, 2011, 11:05:17 AM
WENGER TELLS FANS TO SHUT YUH MOUTH AND WAIT PATIENTLY UNTIL END OF JULY FOR TRANSFERS "YUH CHUPID OR WHAT I SAID CHILL THE FECK OUT!"

Arsene Wenger has responded to growing unrest by supporters over Arsenal’s transfer policy by stating that activity will increase at the end of July.

The Frenchman has been criticised for his lack of spending over the last few years, having reportedly not utilised his full budget in several transfer windows.

It is a policy which has been applauded by the likes of Uefa president Michel Platini, who has praised Arsenal for not incurring debts on the scale of Manchester United, but has rankled with fans who have become disillusioned with the club’s insistence on buying young players.

And rumours over the possible departures of key players such as Cesc Fabregas, Samir Nasri and Gael Clichy has left supporters worried that they will be left behind their rivals who continue to spend much more.

But when questioned on possible future transfers, Wenger said that decisions made on buying or selling players will not be rushed, as clubs still have two months before the transfer window shuts.

“We are in a waiting period, everybody is waiting that the other [club] moves,” he told Alsace TV.

“It is a transfer period. Everybody has their cards in [their] hands, hoping for the big transfer. There is nothing moving yet. The period will me more active at the end of July when we will need to really strengthen the team.

“There is always pressure, England is the hardest championship in the world, some teams have more money than us. We have to accept it and do the maximum.

“We decided to respect some rules in our club, especially on the financial side in an environment that does not respect that. We respect [the] quality of the game and human quality too. It means it is harder for us when you respect these three topics.

“We live exactly in the way everybody should, with a balance between revenues and expenses. I think we should be seen as an example and it is often not the case. We have been very constant for many years now.”

Wenger continued to stress that Arsenal are very close to fulfilling their potential as a team and he believes that only injuries have kept them from claiming an elusive league title.

He continued: “I think we were very near to winning the championship. The problem was that we were playing a lot of competitions together and we physically paid it in the final sprint.

“Until three weeks before the end of the season, we were in the course to win the championship. We also missed Fabregas and Van Persie a lot last year and it was very important for us.”

Asked whether he was still happy at the club, Wenger replied: "If you're smart you don't want to get what you don't have. I have some prerogatives that every coach dreams to have and I'll be thankful to my bosses forever. I can work with my philosophy and my freedom."

He added: "I'm lucky, I'm working and I love what I do."
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on June 30, 2011, 11:44:03 AM
Looks like Man City in for Nasri as well as Clichy if they offering Nasri the suspected $180,000 pounds a week contract .. "he will leave" then we really have a problem now  !!  :(
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 30, 2011, 01:38:10 PM
Looks like Man City in for Nasri as well as Clichy if they offering Nasri the suspected $180,000 pounds a week contract .. "he will leave" then we really have a problem now  !!  :(


boy this uefa fair business thingy cant come about too soon

them clubs only have to watch a player at a club we interested in an dprice them out of our reach and they dont even want the player they just making sure we doh get them

yet we cant hold our players nor afford to keep them because we have over paid shithounds filling up the reserves team and bench! not to mention wasted wages on them

btw no way we should sell to any of our top players to rivals, i mean seriously we dont want another adebayor in we face
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on June 30, 2011, 02:41:12 PM
Looks like Man City in for Nasri as well as Clichy if they offering Nasri the suspected $180,000 pounds a week contract .. "he will leave" then we really have a problem now  !!  :(


boy this uefa fair business thingy cant come about too soon

them clubs only have to watch a player at a club we interested in an dprice them out of our reach and they dont even want the player they just making sure we doh get them

yet we cant hold our players nor afford to keep them because we have over paid shithounds filling up the reserves team and bench! not to mention wasted wages on them

btw no way we should sell to any of our top players to rivals, i mean seriously we dont want another adebayor in we face


The thing with keeping a dissatisified player is it could hurt team chemistry and if is anything I learn through last season is that team chemistry is a very fragile thing!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Blue on June 30, 2011, 03:06:15 PM
Looks like Clichy is on his way, but I doh really see the big deal, isnt Gibbs a straight swap?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 30, 2011, 03:11:55 PM
Looks like Clichy is on his way, but I doh really see the big deal, isnt Gibbs a straight swap?
Defensively Gibbs is appalling. He started as a winger and it shows. He not ready. Clichy is much better than him.
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Post by: Blue on June 30, 2011, 03:13:39 PM
random question: is Frimpong back from injury? he looked like a decent player
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 30, 2011, 04:42:31 PM
random question: is Frimpong back from injury? he looked like a decent player
He subbed on in one reserve game in April and is expected to go on the Asian tour.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 30, 2011, 09:36:17 PM
Frimpong is good and he partnered jack while coming up through the ranks, solid strong and wants to win, worth a dozen denilsons
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Touches on July 01, 2011, 05:56:09 AM
NO HOLIDAY: HOW ARSENAL'S AUGUST FIXTURES COULD SHAPE THEIR SEASON

August 5: Arsenal’s season could get off to a bad start eight days before they even take to the pitch, with the draw for the Champions League playoff round. The Gunners will face one of Benfica, Dinamo Kiev, Genk, Odense, Panathinaikos, Rubin Kazan, Standard Liege, Trabzonspor, FC Twente, Vaslui [Romania] and FC Zurich.

August 13: The Premier League season starts with the potential banana-skin of a trip to Newcastle.

August 16/17 - The Champions League playoff's first leg will see the Gunners on the road.

August 20: Three or four days after returning from possibly a long trip to Ukraine or Russia or a difficult match in Greece or Portugal, Arsenal welcome Liverpool to the ­Emirates.

August 22/23: It will be make or break in the Champions League for the Gunners with the play-off second leg. This is the night when Arsenal will either be in the group stage draw or knocked out - in which case pressure will grow on Wenger.

August 27: As if all that is not enough, a trip to Old Trafford to take on champions Manchester United is next up.

August 31: The transfer window closes. If Wenger has failed by this point to secure some big names, Arsenal’s season could be in tatters less than a month after it began.

Read more: http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/Why-Arsene-Wenger-is-facing-the-biggest-test-of-his-Arsenal-career-and-may-not-survive-a-bad-start-to-the-season-John-Cross-opinion-article754241.html#ixzz1Qr1pqtdk
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Post by: GunnerStunner on July 01, 2011, 06:46:35 AM
sounds about right!

no one but ourselves to blame for being in that position!
 :cursing:

NO HOLIDAY: HOW ARSENAL'S AUGUST FIXTURES COULD SHAPE THEIR SEASON

August 5: Arsenal’s season could get off to a bad start eight days before they even take to the pitch, with the draw for the Champions League playoff round. The Gunners will face one of Benfica, Dinamo Kiev, Genk, Odense, Panathinaikos, Rubin Kazan, Standard Liege, Trabzonspor, FC Twente, Vaslui [Romania] and FC Zurich.

August 13: The Premier League season starts with the potential banana-skin of a trip to Newcastle.

August 16/17 - The Champions League playoff's first leg will see the Gunners on the road.

August 20: Three or four days after returning from possibly a long trip to Ukraine or Russia or a difficult match in Greece or Portugal, Arsenal welcome Liverpool to the ­Emirates.

August 22/23: It will be make or break in the Champions League for the Gunners with the play-off second leg. This is the night when Arsenal will either be in the group stage draw or knocked out - in which case pressure will grow on Wenger.

August 27: As if all that is not enough, a trip to Old Trafford to take on champions Manchester United is next up.

August 31: The transfer window closes. If Wenger has failed by this point to secure some big names, Arsenal’s season could be in tatters less than a month after it began.

Read more: http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/Why-Arsene-Wenger-is-facing-the-biggest-test-of-his-Arsenal-career-and-may-not-survive-a-bad-start-to-the-season-John-Cross-opinion-article754241.html#ixzz1Qr1pqtdk
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Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 01, 2011, 06:53:04 AM
no transfers made
3 1st team players we want to keep are looking to jump ship
those dead weights we want gone cant be sold or dont want to go
recognising we need to fill defensive positions etc is like an alcoholic recognising he needs to stop drinking then goes n buys a bottle
training starts back next week
team heads off to asia
new signings if any wont join up till end of july
little chance to gell with new teammates system etc
horrible fixtures right off the bat
IF we win anything next year its a miracle
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: doc on July 01, 2011, 07:04:49 AM
sounds about right!

no one but ourselves to blame for being in that position!
 :cursing:

NO HOLIDAY: HOW ARSENAL'S AUGUST FIXTURES COULD SHAPE THEIR SEASON

August 5: Arsenal’s season could get off to a bad start eight days before they even take to the pitch, with the draw for the Champions League playoff round. The Gunners will face one of Benfica, Dinamo Kiev, Genk, Odense, Panathinaikos, Rubin Kazan, Standard Liege, Trabzonspor, FC Twente, Vaslui [Romania] and FC Zurich.

August 13: The Premier League season starts with the potential banana-skin of a trip to Newcastle.

August 16/17 - The Champions League playoff's first leg will see the Gunners on the road.

August 20: Three or four days after returning from possibly a long trip to Ukraine or Russia or a difficult match in Greece or Portugal, Arsenal welcome Liverpool to the ­Emirates.

August 22/23: It will be make or break in the Champions League for the Gunners with the play-off second leg. This is the night when Arsenal will either be in the group stage draw or knocked out - in which case pressure will grow on Wenger.

August 27: As if all that is not enough, a trip to Old Trafford to take on champions Manchester United is next up.

August 31: The transfer window closes. If Wenger has failed by this point to secure some big names, Arsenal’s season could be in tatters less than a month after it began.

Read more: http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/Why-Arsene-Wenger-is-facing-the-biggest-test-of-his-Arsenal-career-and-may-not-survive-a-bad-start-to-the-season-John-Cross-opinion-article754241.html#ixzz1Qr1pqtdk
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Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 01, 2011, 07:27:47 AM
the funniest jokes are the ones with the most truth to them


http://www.sincearsenallastwonatrophy.co.uk/ (http://www.sincearsenallastwonatrophy.co.uk/)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 01, 2011, 05:36:21 PM
Now there are stories that Chelsea is going for Nasri. I give it about 48 hours before every club in the top 3 divisions of English football is rumored to make a bid. And "unidentified sources" swear he has signed a 60 million pound contract with Peterborough United.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on July 01, 2011, 06:14:25 PM
Allyuh need help.

Yuh need to treat this thing like a game you have taping while you at work. Doh check any news until then end of the week or something. All you getting is some crazy rumours. It giving allyuh ulcers.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Peong on July 01, 2011, 09:10:04 PM
Arsenal give up or wa?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: giggsy11 on July 01, 2011, 09:35:05 PM
 :rotfl: Dedicated- hang in there fellas!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 01, 2011, 09:37:03 PM
Hahaha. Nah I not studying it. I watching for actual news. Half ah dem stories fake. I go look at players Arsenal linked with but Fabregas going Barca just like he was going last summer. Nasri we go see, Clichy we go see. I hope they stay but if Gooners coulda get thru Wrighty and Thierry leaving dese fellas is nutten. These three ent come close to doing what Wright and Henry do for Arsenal. I just find is kix how every squad in need of a creative midfielder is linked to Fabregas and/or Nasri. Like every decent left winger is being linked to Arsenal. It have fellas who does take it on but I take real money off men when Cesc stay at Arsenal last summer and I always say yuh could never be too rich.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on July 02, 2011, 05:38:19 AM
One thing I've always noticed is that Arsenal tends to get alot of rumours because of mainly one thing... the fact that they doh tell the media anything ......so and so is widely expected to..... they doh know ......personally I feel clichy is gone .... Nasri will get his contract and stay ..... and Fabregas only going if barca  pay the 40 mill .... to be honest that wont be too bad arsenal needs balance and they can only get it with one of those two not both .... and we need everybody head here not with barca s much as fab is one of my fav players n the best passer in the club it might help the team for him to go .... it will be interesting to see what nasri will do if given the reigns ... the english press is like a discarded girlfriend because they doh know they badmouthing and throwing out all kinda rumours..... whores lol!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 04, 2011, 11:03:08 AM
Clichy officially signed for Manchester City. Story on Arsenal.com now. Sorry to see him go. Not a great player but all the left backs I consider better than him are at clubs they won't leave to come to Arsenal.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: doc on July 04, 2011, 11:30:12 AM
Clichy officially signed for Manchester City. Story on Arsenal.com now. Sorry to see him go. Not a great player but all the left backs I consider better than him are at clubs they won't leave to come to Arsenal.
The boy was a good servant, but the last few years he wasn't appreciated by the masses :-[. I wish him well!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 04, 2011, 12:06:38 PM
Clichy officially signed for Manchester City. Story on Arsenal.com now. Sorry to see him go. Not a great player but all the left backs I consider better than him are at clubs they won't leave to come to Arsenal.
The boy was a good servant, but the last few years he wasn't appreciated by the masses :-[. I wish him well!
Agreed. We need to replace him quick though. Gibbs not ready and the less said about Traore the better!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Jayerson on July 04, 2011, 01:35:06 PM
The last of the undefeated squad.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on July 05, 2011, 07:03:20 AM
Good luck to him .. good servant to the club ... nah theyre gonna try Gibbs no two ways about it also Vermalean, and Kos can play there as well so I figure they think they have cover there plus the other ivorian wingback... I forget his name ....
Looking forward to seeing Alvarez there as well as a defender ... I dont think theyre gonna get mata and I think if an increased bid comes for Fabregas to 40 mil he's gone.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: mukumsplau on July 05, 2011, 07:10:05 AM
clichy: money money money moooonnnaaayyy!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 05, 2011, 07:29:09 AM
Good luck to him .. good servant to the club ... nah theyre gonna try Gibbs no two ways about it also Vermalean, and Kos can play there as well so I figure they think they have cover there plus the other ivorian wingback... I forget his name ....
Looking forward to seeing Alvarez there as well as a defender ... I dont think theyre gonna get mata and I think if an increased bid comes for Fabregas to 40 mil he's gone.

Putting TV there is a mistake. Take the best centre back in an already suspect defence and play him out of position? Kos was the best performer in central defence last year too, while TV was injured. Gibbs not ready. The only thing worse than that is Traore is his backup. They have to buy. Time for tinkering with the defence done. Fix it and move on.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on July 05, 2011, 08:29:20 AM
Good luck to him .. good servant to the club ... nah theyre gonna try Gibbs no two ways about it also Vermalean, and Kos can play there as well so I figure they think they have cover there plus the other ivorian wingback... I forget his name ....
Looking forward to seeing Alvarez there as well as a defender ... I dont think theyre gonna get mata and I think if an increased bid comes for Fabregas to 40 mil he's gone.

Ngozi don't jump the gun on Alvarez. IMHO he is an excellent signing, but it looks like Inter pip Arsenal on the line for his signature.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on July 05, 2011, 09:01:16 AM
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/3276/serie-a/2011/07/05/2561420/inter-sign-arsenal-target-ricky-alvarez-from-velez-sarsfield

It hard for me to defend Arsene when other teams making moves and he letting his targets go no wonder Nasri and them fellas frustrated  !!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on July 05, 2011, 09:13:25 AM
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/3276/serie-a/2011/07/05/2561420/inter-sign-arsenal-target-ricky-alvarez-from-velez-sarsfield

It hard for me to defend Arsene when other teams making moves and he letting his targets go no wonder Nasri and them fellas frustrated  !!!!

Arsenal cannot compete financially with teams like Inter, Chelsea, Real, ManU and Man City. Crazy money for Clichy. Ok he has been a good servant, but the last two years he has not been at his best. Alvarez would have been a good signing, but the strong Argentine influence at Inter may have been in their favour
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: giggsy11 on July 05, 2011, 09:37:45 AM
Arsene9 probably scouting talent at the under 17 tournament. Plus these players who say they leaving because they want to in trophies; how much did their lack of performance when it counted, contributed to Arsenal not winning trpophies? Just saying.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 05, 2011, 10:03:35 AM
Arsene9 probably scouting talent at the under 17 tournament. Plus these players who say they leaving because they want to in trophies; how much did their lack of performance when it counted, contributed to Arsenal not winning trpophies? Just saying.

Wenger busy preparing for the Asian tour. On the players who leaving I completely agree. Still though, Arsenal holding back on the brand name signings is real stress to the fans.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 05, 2011, 10:14:42 AM
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/3276/serie-a/2011/07/05/2561420/inter-sign-arsenal-target-ricky-alvarez-from-velez-sarsfield

It hard for me to defend Arsene when other teams making moves and he letting his targets go no wonder Nasri and them fellas frustrated  !!!!

Arsenal cannot compete financially with teams like Inter, Chelsea, Real, ManU and Man City. Crazy money for Clichy. Ok he has been a good servant, but the last two years he has not been at his best. Alvarez would have been a good signing, but the strong Argentine influence at Inter may have been in their favour

You probably right but this article is actually one of goal.com "reports", meaning it isn't actual news. Last week they had Alvarez on twitter begging to play with Arsenal. The rumor mill grinds on.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 05, 2011, 12:51:31 PM
wenger games starting to make me sick

why of all clubs send him to someone IN champs league AND finished above us???????

and they could only get 7mil for him? wtf?

wenger policy means we get half chances for cheap and sell them for some profit but not enough to compete with market prices!!

we have been found out on every front now, on the pitch and in the market.

the players have now joined the ranks of the fans who no longer believe this team and manager can deliver success in the shape of silverware

i wonder what flavor of kool-aid wenger and the board handing out at the emirates??
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 05, 2011, 01:00:29 PM
Well he is a want away and only has 1 year left on his deal. I get the impression Arsenal not that broken up about losing him, although I am.

wenger games starting to make me sick

why of all clubs send him to someone IN champs league AND finished above us???????

and they could only get 7mil for him? wtf?

wenger policy means we get half chances for cheap and sell them for some profit but not enough to compete with market prices!!

we have been found out on every front now, on the pitch and in the market.

the players have now joined the ranks of the fans who no longer believe this team and manager can deliver success in the shape of silverware

i wonder what flavor of kool-aid wenger and the board handing out at the emirates??
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on July 05, 2011, 01:48:52 PM
I bet my friend 500 tt that Arsenal will not finish in the top 4 if Nasri and Fabregas leave.. on August 15th we will finalise the bet by either decreasing the value if Wenger buys well and does not lose Cesc or Nasri.. hahaha we will prob end up buying each other beers after the season with the winnings

Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 05, 2011, 08:33:50 PM
I bet my friend 500 tt that Arsenal will not finish in the top 4 if Nasri and Fabregas leave.. on August 15th we will finalise the bet by either decreasing the value if Wenger buys well and does not lose Cesc or Nasri.. hahaha we will prob end up buying each other beers after the season with the winnings
I'm willing to match that bet that you scum don't win the league next year
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: DeSoWa on July 06, 2011, 03:30:50 PM
Did ManC picked up Nasri too  ??? or is that just another rumour?

Big Up!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: elan on July 06, 2011, 03:52:52 PM
Did ManC picked up Nasri too  ??? or is that just another rumour?

Big Up!

Where you see that.  ???
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: DeSoWa on July 06, 2011, 04:01:47 PM
Did ManC picked up Nasri too  ??? or is that just another rumour?

Big Up!

Where you see that.  ???

Different news sources from the UK...haven't found a concrete one yet, all speculations. They say it's a 3 man race among ManU, ManC and Chelsea!

http://ilive4football.co.uk/manchester-city-close-to-landing-arsenals-nasri-daily-mail-says-roundup-bloomberg/

Big Up!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 06, 2011, 05:03:32 PM
If Nasri goes fire Wenger
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 06, 2011, 05:59:05 PM
More rumours. Man City specifically say they not interested in Nasri, only Clichy. This morning 1 paper say Man U agree on one price, another say another price, another say Arsenal is refusing all bids for him. I guess we will have to see. I doubt he going. That slightly more likely than Fabregas going.

Did ManC picked up Nasri too  ??? or is that just another rumour?

Big Up!

Where you see that.  ???

Different news sources from the UK...haven't found a concrete one yet, all speculations. They say it's a 3 man race among ManU, ManC and Chelsea!

http://ilive4football.co.uk/manchester-city-close-to-landing-arsenals-nasri-daily-mail-says-roundup-bloomberg/

Big Up!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on July 06, 2011, 06:06:56 PM
Story coming from the Times and the Guardian from the 2 most respected journos and newspapers in England.... Looks like Modric is not up for grabs and Fergie has made his move for Nasri... its past the rumour stage...let the games begin

James Ducker- The Times
"Nasri is preparing to inform Wenger he wants to leave Arsenal in knowledge that United have made a formal bid of about £20m. United's formal bid of around £20m for Nasri actually went in about a fornight ago. I don't know if Nasri will go to United or somewhere else. Arsenal will clearly have a huge say in that. Just know United bid is definitely in."



Manchester United's £20m offer for Samir Nasri is rejected by Arsenal
• Arsenal tell United they will not sell for less than £25m
• Nasri due to return to training on Thursday

 * Daniel Taylor and Dominic Fifield
 * The Guardian, Thursday 7 July 2011
Arsenal have turned down Manchester United's opening offer for Samir Nasri and told the champions they will not sell the Frenchman unless they receive a bid of at least £25m. United must now decide whether they are willing to meet the asking price and put together an improved financial package after it emerged on Wednesday they had placed an offer of just under £20m two weeks ago.

The clubs had agreed at the time not to publicise the bid but it is now clear that United, having already spent £50m on Phil Jones, David de Gea and Ashley Young, have made the first decisive move towards bringing Nasri to Old Trafford and reinforcing their position as the major force in the summer transfer market so far.

At the same time, they are threatening to make it an even more traumatic summer for Arsène Wenger, who is already faced by the near-certainty of Cesc Fábregas's departure to Barcelona and now confronted by the distinct possibility of losing another of his key players. Nasri is due to return to Arsenal for pre-season training on Thursday and the expectation is that the 24-year-old, in the final year of his contract, will inform the club he wants to leave. Arsenal are willing to award him a vastly improved salary but they will still find it difficult to compete with the money on offer from Old Trafford.

The news of United's bid may trigger counter-offers from Manchester City, Internazionale and Chelsea, who have monitored Nasri's potential availability and are weighing up whether to turn their interest into something more concrete.

City distanced themselves from reports last week they had made a £20m bid, saying there had been no talks between themselves and Arsenal and that, at that stage, none were planned. They are, however, reconsidering their options after the failed move for Alexis Sánchez of Udinese. Should they decide to compete against United, City would also be confident they have the financial power to offer Nasri the best deal. The difficulty for Arsenal is that Nasri will be available as a free transfer in a year's time and, unless he signs a new contract, his value will start to depreciate sharply. Wenger, therefore, must decide whether it would be better for the club to cash in on the player and put the money towards rebuilding.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: giggsy11 on July 06, 2011, 07:05:17 PM
I don't think United will get Nasri. Not sure about Nasri, he will have tuh perform in the shirt first. If we get where will that leave Arsenal next season? I hope they do end up with a decent side next season despite it all.   It would be a sad day if Arsenal sold us one of their better players, even though it happened before with Stapelton. Love that guy!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: D.H.W on July 06, 2011, 07:07:32 PM
 :heehee:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 06, 2011, 07:35:38 PM
Nasri not likely to leave. Wenger fighting hard for that one I feel. He will let Clichy go to a rival for 7 mil and slap a 25 mil price on Nasri? Dat doh make no sense. Clichy did far more for Arsenal than Nasri has. And if Nasri gone we still have Arshavin. In fact we probably have too many creative attacking midfielders, so if the other sides can't match Arsenal price first time but blowing 17 million on a England youth international, I doh see it happening. Nasri would be missed and he obviously have the skill but he had 1 great half season so is not like he is a vital player such as RvP or Fabregas.

All the near certainty of Fabregas last season, or this season, he still here and if Barca wanted to put in a proper bid they would have already. They know Arsenal stand and know they not budging. They blank them twice and 35 million for a world class player is an insulting bid. As for Dominic Fifield he does make up news, as do all the Guardian and Telegraph football reporters. Dunno about the Times fella.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 06, 2011, 07:55:57 PM
Remember dis game? Arsenal 1 Real Madrid 0? Whatever happened to THAT Eboue?

http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=11715.msg110966#msg110966 (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=11715.msg110966#msg110966)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: giggsy11 on July 06, 2011, 08:05:22 PM
Remember dis game? Arsenal 1 Real Madrid 0? Whatever happened to THAT Eboue?

http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=11715.msg110966#msg110966 (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=11715.msg110966#msg110966)

I think getting booed and being humuliated for his diving antics broke him down. He seem tuh want to stay under the radar-not make waves! Or may he just he peaked!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 06, 2011, 08:14:54 PM
Remember dis game? Arsenal 1 Real Madrid 0? Whatever happened to THAT Eboue?

http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=11715.msg110966#msg110966 (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=11715.msg110966#msg110966)

I think getting booed and being humuliated for his diving antics broke him down. He seem tuh want to stay under the radar-not make waves! Or may he just he peaked!

Could well be. Every now and again he does show the old pace and skill, but Sagna too consistent to lose dat spot. Of course every now and again Eboue does do real nonsense! And he does still dive. First leg v Barca this season he put dong one that would make Dani Alves or Busquets jealous.

He has (largely) rehabilitated his reputation among the fans though, by becoming a big Arsenal cheerleader. Always willing to talk to fans and bring them into the game, sitting in the stands with the fans for reserve and youth team games (how many first team players do that on a regular basis). Even if he gone down I have to respect that. Sure based on recent seasons he not good enough but I would be sad to see him go, for sentimental reasons.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 07, 2011, 05:02:23 AM
What is happening at arsenal is like trying to build a race car, but you start to sell some of your best parts then don't want to spend money to replace them with same or better AND the part you need to get seem to be unattainable so you use what appears to be something that should work but yuh not sure so we end up with a sports car with biscuit wheels n rims, drum brakes instead of disc, cling film instead of a glass windshield, second hand enginge and gear box. The only thing left on the car that shows any class is the badge, but you change that to and its become a lil unstuck so its hanging a lil off center, please restore my arsenal to its original pride!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 08, 2011, 06:45:52 AM
 ??? :cursing: :notlistening: :banginghead: :nailbiting: :frustrated:

i do not like what i am seeing on the website!

rio myachi modeling the home n away kit

all signs are pointing to wenger being more beligerant than ever and brining in youth to fill the man size gaps in the squad

i like our youth tallent but in doses

get effin serious wenger!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 08, 2011, 07:04:41 AM
To be fair, he left footed (actually 2 footed) and have pace and technique to burn, so I welcome Ryo with open arms. He just need to hit the weights. Hope he can get his UK work permit. Besides, we need a left winger bad. Also, by all accounts he was blowing up last season on loan at Feyenoord.

??? :cursing: :notlistening: :banginghead: :nailbiting: :frustrated:

i do not like what i am seeing on the website!

rio myachi modeling the home n away kit

all signs are pointing to wenger being more beligerant than ever and brining in youth to fill the man size gaps in the squad

i like our youth tallent but in doses

get effin serious wenger!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Jah Gol on July 08, 2011, 07:50:21 AM
Permit a non-Arsenal,non-EPL fan to chime in for minute.

As much as Wenger is getting stick for his transfer policy the board need to take the same amount of blame. I read an article a couple months ago that Arsenal and the three promoted teams were the only clubs in the EPL to post profits. This along with Arsene Wenger's statement that it is unfortunate that the other clubs do not respect the rules of business and that they can't just continue to depend on rich benefactors is  enough evidence for me that the relationship between the board and the coach is very strong.

The board gets one of the best coaches in the world and Wenger gets a board that is very patient and won't throw him out after a disappointing season like Chelsea etc. Wenger's approach is almost anachronistic but is well suited to his club who will not sacrifice their financial position for success on the pitch. They keep selling jerseys and tickets so it really does't matter.

I must admit though this clearance sale of the club's best players and lack of urgency to replace them seems imprudent.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bourbon on July 08, 2011, 08:04:20 AM
I hear is just a matter of time before Nasri leave. Is apparently a 4 way struggle between Chelsea...Manchester United...Manchester City....and Joe Public. Joe Public trying to sweeten de deal by offering him a Bus Route pass.



Aight seriously.....Wenger cyar be letting he talent leave just so. The lack of ruthlessness typical of Arsenal...which eh suprising cause a coach normally instills his mentality on his team.

 He coulda bleed city for clichy...eh do dat get 7 million....which small..especially considering that is a direct rival for any place in the top 4...PLUS champions league.


Csec have years on he contract....Barca could low ball and say oh dey brokes and all dat....buh unless dey meet yuh price.....dey cant have him.


Nasri different. 1 year left on de contract.....so either yuh tie him to a deal quick and increase de buyout...or resign yuhself to losing him next year. It ridiculous to let de man go to a rival.

I does really feel sorry for arsenal yes. I does wish dem well usually..buh come on man.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 08, 2011, 10:23:22 AM
What clearance sale? Is only Clichy gone. Yes they need to replace him but there are 7 weeks left in the transfer window. This is all transfer rumor. Arsenal don't conduct their business out in the open so there is always hysteria about it. Wenger said today self in an interview he has no intention of losing Fabregas or Nasri and will fight to keep them both. As they under contract he already ahead of the game.

I also get the impression, (not one I agree with but I am not the best person to make that decision) that Wenger was ready to let Clichy go since he didn't put up much of a fight. Also the fact that Man City already full of left backs means it really doh strengthen them that much. Depends on who Arsenal get to replace Clichy though. I don't think Gibbs ready and I don't think they should play Vermaelen there.

Permit a non-Arsenal,non-EPL fan to chime in for minute.

As much as Wenger is getting stick for his transfer policy the board need to take the same amount of blame. I read an article a couple months ago that Arsenal and the three promoted teams were the only clubs in the EPL to post profits. This along with Arsene Wenger's statement that it is unfortunate that the other clubs do not respect the rules of business and that they can't just continue to depend on rich benefactors is  enough evidence for me that the relationship between the board and the coach is very strong.

The board gets one of the best coaches in the world and Wenger gets a board that is very patient and won't throw him out after a disappointing season like Chelsea etc. Wenger's approach is almost anachronistic but is well suited to his club who will not sacrifice their financial position for success on the pitch. They keep selling jerseys and tickets so it really does't matter.

I must admit though this clearance sale of the club's best players and lack of urgency to replace them seems imprudent.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 08, 2011, 10:38:22 AM
Wenger: 'I'll fight to keep Cesc and Nasri'
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/wenger-i-ll-fight-to-keep-nasri-and-cesc- (http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/wenger-i-ll-fight-to-keep-nasri-and-cesc-)

By Richard Clarke

Arsène Wenger has vowed to fight as hard as he can to keep Cesc Fabregas and Samir Nasri at Arsenal.

Both midfielders have been linked with moves away from Emirates Stadium during the summer but, speaking exclusively to Arsenal Player on Friday afternoon, the manager re-affirmed his desire to retain their services.

“Our position is always the same, we want to keep Cesc and I will fight as hard as I can to keep him,” said Wenger.

“Samir Nasri is exactly the same. We will do everything we can to keep him.”

Nasri is expected to travel with the squad this weekend as Arsenal fly out to Malaysia at the start of their tour of Asia however Fabregas has a muscular injury and is likely to be left behind.

Emmanuel Eboue (calf) is an injury doubt.

“We will take the strongest possible squad,” said Wenger. “Fabregas will not travel because he still has a small muscular problem. He will stay and practice here. There is a doubt about Eboue who has done his calf.”

Arsenal.com hope to publish the full travelling party on Saturday afternoon.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Peong on July 08, 2011, 10:46:45 AM
To me it's bad practice to sell a starting player before getting a replacement.
Now it could be that they do have the replacement lined up, but if it turns out that they are now shopping for a left back, then they taking huge risks with this team.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 08, 2011, 10:49:29 AM
I agree with you Peong. Apparently Gibbs IS the replacement. Not a decision I agree with.

Wenger hints at Clichy replacement
http://news.arseblog.com/index.php/2011/07/wenger-hints-at-clichy-replacement (http://news.arseblog.com/index.php/2011/07/wenger-hints-at-clichy-replacement)

Arsene Wenger says that Gael Clichy’s departure to Manchester City has opened the door for England international Kieran Gibbs.

Many Arsenal fans were expecting a left back to be added to the shopping list after the experienced Frenchman was sold earlier this week for around £7m, but when pressed on the reason for the sale, Wenger told Arsenal Player, “The reasoning is that Kieran Gibbs at some stage has to get a chance to play. And Gael had only one year to go.

“I rate Gael very highly but I rate highly as well Kieran Gibbs, and he is now at an age where he has to play. And that’s the main reason behind that, to give Gibbs a chance”.

Gibbs injury problems have hampered his progress, and relying on him as first choice left back would be seen as something of a gamble for an Arsenal squad which has more injuries per season than your average earthquake.

With Arsenal in need of at least one centre-half, and possible replacements for Cesc and Nasri, it remains to be seen if a left back is considered a priority and included in the “one or two” players Wenger hopes to bring in.
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Post by: GunnerStunner on July 08, 2011, 11:08:20 AM
Arsène Wenger says he is working “long nights” to bring the right players to Arsenal.

The manager says he understands the impatience from the fans to see new arrivals at Emirates Stadium but, as ever, he is waiting for his moment.

Wenger confirmed that striker Gervinho is close to completing his move to the Gunners from Lille. And the 61-year-old is doing all he can to add “one or two” more players to the Arsenal ranks.

“We are working very hard on it,” he told Arsenal.com. “For me, the best thing is not to talk too much about it. The more you speak about things, the less chance you have to achieve them. The only thing that I can promise you is that we will work very hard and we have had some long nights to achieve what we want to achieve.

“I can understand [the impatience among the fans]. Believe me, I know all the clubs in the world and everybody needs the same players for the same positions. If there were an obvious choice, people would have already made their decisions. We are at the top level and therefore need exceptional quality to strengthen our side. I can understand that people say ‘you have money, just go out and buy’. But it’s not only that, we want to find the quality we need.   

“I have said many times that we were very close to winning things last season, despite the disappointment we had at the end. I hope that provokes a response from my players. We were so close this time we want to come back and achieve it.

“My responsibility is first of all not to lose players and then to add and make us stronger.

“Let’s hope we can bring in one or two more additions of top quality.”
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 08, 2011, 01:13:11 PM
I love how all these "news" papers scream 'Nasri to United' or 'Cesc to Barca' but the Professor comes out and says clearly that he has no intention of losing either of them and not one article can be found on the interview. For all their claims to be "reputable" newspapers, Guardian and Telegraph are really full of sh*t.

 :rotfl:
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Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on July 08, 2011, 01:22:50 PM
I love how all these "news" papers scream 'Nasri to United' or 'Cesc to Barca' but the Professor comes out and says clearly that he has no intention of losing either of them and not one article can be found on the interview. For all their claims to be "reputable" newspapers, Guardian and Telegraph are really full of sh*t.

 :rotfl:

Fergie came out and said Ronaldo isnt going anywhere time after time... Wenger said he will fight for them to stay, obviously he isnt going to say Yes it is true they are off..

I cant see Fabregas staying... Nasri maybe will stay but Arsenal will risk losing him for free next season

Interesting weeks ahead.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 08, 2011, 01:56:29 PM
I love how all these "news" papers scream 'Nasri to United' or 'Cesc to Barca' but the Professor comes out and says clearly that he has no intention of losing either of them and not one article can be found on the interview. For all their claims to be "reputable" newspapers, Guardian and Telegraph are really full of sh*t.

 :rotfl:

Fergie came out and said Ronaldo isnt going anywhere time after time... Wenger said he will fight for them to stay, obviously he isnt going to say Yes it is true they are off..

I cant see Fabregas staying... Nasri maybe will stay but Arsenal will risk losing him for free next season

Interesting weeks ahead.
True, but the same thing people said all last summer and Fabregas is still at Arsenal. Barcelona aren't helping themselves by lowballing and insulting us and tapping him up at every opportunity. He himself said he loves Barca but he's Arsenal's captain and it's up to Arsenal what happens, which is pretty clear. As for Nasri, I think they would be happy to wait it out, given that they strengthen the team and make a proper title push. Might convince him to stay. Besides which they REALLY don't want to sell him to United and City have pretty much said they aren't looking at him.
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Post by: Observer on July 08, 2011, 02:40:42 PM
Arsene9 probably scouting talent at the under 17 tournament. Plus these players who say they leaving because they want to in trophies; how much did their lack of performance when it counted, contributed to Arsenal not winning trpophies? Just saying.

Ent! I never understand such statements. In other words "I am a good player, but my teammates around me not good enough."
Arsenal as a club and Wenger should make a bold statement, put in a serious bid for Tevez, Cavani and Samba. Then who want to go, go
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Post by: Ngozi on July 08, 2011, 03:01:18 PM
Arsene9 probably scouting talent at the under 17 tournament. Plus these players who say they leaving because they want to in trophies; how much did their lack of performance when it counted, contributed to Arsenal not winning trpophies? Just saying.

Yuh know giggsy thats a good point lets face it Van Persie was putting the ball in the back of the net anytime he was there .... and the truth be told this team goes as Fab and Nasri go.... Nasri did well first half of the season and die down bad in the second half and Fab was just injured too often ... however the defence have to take some blame and the team just couldn't seem to hold a lead in the second half of the season ... so valid point but definitely not the sole point.

I think I watch too much Jordan games yes when his team went down he used to take it so personal that he would take it upon himself to lift the team both with his drive and effort ... these young players these days when pressure comes they just wanna get up and bolt .... go join a team that winning ... says something about their character .... willing to bounce as soon as ting get ruff!!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 08, 2011, 03:08:11 PM
Yuh know giggsy thats a good point lets face it Van Persie was putting the ball in the back of the net anytime he was there .... and the truth be told this team goes as Fab and Nasri go.... Nasri did well first half of the season and die down bad in the second half and Fab was just injured too often ... however the defence have to take some blame and the team just couldn't seem to hold a lead in the second half of the season ... so valid point but definitely not the sole point.

I think I watch too much Jordan games yes when his team went down he used to take it so personal that he would take it upon himself to lift the team both with his drive and effort ... these young players these days when pressure comes they just wanna get up and bolt .... go join a team that winning ... says something about their character .... willing to bounce as soon as ting get ruff!!
Arsenal lost that when they lost Thierry. RvP starting to get like that now which is why I think he should be captain, despite the injuries. Vermaelen shows it as well occasionally.
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Post by: DeSoWa on July 08, 2011, 03:10:40 PM
Arsene9 probably scouting talent at the under 17 tournament. Plus these players who say they leaving because they want to in trophies; how much did their lack of performance when it counted, contributed to Arsenal not winning trpophies? Just saying.

Yuh know giggsy thats a good point lets face it Van Persie was putting the ball in the back of the net anytime he was there .... and the truth be told this team goes as Fab and Nasri go.... Nasri did well first half of the season and die down bad in the second half and Fab was just injured too often ... however the defence have to take some blame and the team just couldn't seem to hold a lead in the second half of the season ... so valid point but definitely not the sole point.

I think I watch too much Jordan games yes when his team went down he used to take it so personal that he would take it upon himself to lift the team both with his drive and effort ... these young players these days when pressure comes they just wanna get up and bolt .... go join a team that winning ... says something about their character .... willing to bounce as soon as ting get ruff!!

The strength and character of a man is not shown when he is winning, but when he is losing!  :beermug:

Big Up!
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Post by: Ngozi on July 08, 2011, 03:48:23 PM
'We are working long nights to sign players'
 
WATCH NOW Wenger exclusive
Manager gives first interview of the new season
 Get Arsenal Player  By Richard Clarke

Arsène Wenger says he is working “long nights” to bring the right players to Arsenal.

The manager says he understands the impatience from the fans to see new arrivals at Emirates Stadium but, as ever, he is waiting for his moment.

Wenger confirmed that striker Gervinho is close to completing his move to the Gunners from Lille. And the 61-year-old is doing all he can to add “one or two” more players to the Arsenal ranks.

“We are working very hard on it,” he told Arsenal.com. “For me, the best thing is not to talk too much about it. The more you speak about things, the less chance you have to achieve them. The only thing that I can promise you is that we will work very hard and we have had some long nights to achieve what we want to achieve.

“I can understand [the impatience among the fans]. Believe me, I know all the clubs in the world and everybody needs the same players for the same positions. If there were an obvious choice, people would have already made their decisions. We are at the top level and therefore need exceptional quality to strengthen our side. I can understand that people say ‘you have money, just go out and buy’. But it’s not only that, we want to find the quality we need.   

“I have said many times that we were very close to winning things last season, despite the disappointment we had at the end. I hope that provokes a response from my players. We were so close this time we want to come back and achieve it.

“My responsibility is first of all not to lose players and then to add and make us stronger.

“Let’s hope we can bring in one or two more additions of top quality.”

http://bleacherreport.com/tb/aaacr
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Post by: GunnerStunner on July 09, 2011, 10:09:18 AM
So bendtner and almunia stayed behind as arsenal go to asia, apparently to conduct possible transfers, I wonder if they had a lil chat together? Hey spaniard! You get left behind too? Sweet we get to show the world just how great we are! Si amigo now you won't be able to embarass me at training! I know right I'm the best striker in the world!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 09, 2011, 03:15:39 PM
Bendtner supposed to be negotiating a deal with Benfica. Wherever he goes I wish him well. We need to lock up a striker to replace him as soon as we can though. This Gervinho fella might be it but I prefer a brand name striker.
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Post by: dwn on July 09, 2011, 06:13:08 PM
To me it's bad practice to sell a starting player before getting a replacement. Now it could be that they do have the replacement lined up, but if it turns out that they are now shopping for a left back, then they taking huge risks with this team.

I think Wenger has the confidence in Gibbs to replace Clichy which is why he didn't line up a replacement. Otherwise, I think replacements are being lined up before players go. Which looks like the case with Gervinho and Bendtner.

What's funny is that everyone was calling Clichy a liability not too long ago and saying that he should be shown the door. Then when he goes to an opponent, a lot people are saying that we shouldn't be strengthening our competition. I just hope it's not the same people, and that the fans not that fickle.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: dwn on July 09, 2011, 10:38:54 PM
So bendtner and almunia stayed behind as arsenal go to asia, apparently to conduct possible transfers, I wonder if they had a lil chat together? Hey spaniard! You get left behind too? Sweet we get to show the world just how great we are! Si amigo now you won't be able to embarass me at training! I know right I'm the best striker in the world!

diaby and eboue aren't in the squad either. any news on them?
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 10, 2011, 11:45:21 AM
So bendtner and almunia stayed behind as arsenal go to asia, apparently to conduct possible transfers, I wonder if they had a lil chat together? Hey spaniard! You get left behind too? Sweet we get to show the world just how great we are! Si amigo now you won't be able to embarass me at training! I know right I'm the best striker in the world!

diaby and eboue aren't in the squad either. any news on them?
Wenger said in his interview that Eboue had a calf injury. Nothing about Diaby.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 10, 2011, 12:05:58 PM
I think Wenger has the confidence in Gibbs to replace Clichy which is why he didn't line up a replacement. Otherwise, I think replacements are being lined up before players go. Which looks like the case with Gervinho and Bendtner.

What's funny is that everyone was calling Clichy a liability not too long ago and saying that he should be shown the door. Then when he goes to an opponent, a lot people are saying that we shouldn't be strengthening our competition. I just hope it's not the same people, and that the fans not that fickle.
I don't share Wenger's confidence, but then I'm not the manager. My worry is that he was fairly accident (CL Semi-Final against United) and injury prone, and his tackling is poor. Also that his replacement is Traore, who when I last saw him looked like a disaster waiting to happen.

And yes dwn, fans ARE that fickle. For my part I thought he was a liability but still a decent player, much like Bendtner. Unlike B52 I don't think he can be replaced by better in the transfer market. The left backs who are better than him, in my opinion, are all at teams they wouldn't leave to join Arsenal. Cole, Evra, Abidal, Marcelo, Zanetti and Lahm (I haven't seen Coentrao play) are the only players I think would be an improvement over Clichy and I don't see any of them coming to Arsenal. The thing is, with 2 good left backs in Kolarov and Zabaleta on the books and Wayne Bridge out on loan, I don't think Clichy helps City all that much. It seems that Wenger was ready to let Gibbs step up, as you told me earlier, and didn't mind Clichy going too much.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 11, 2011, 08:24:47 AM
Gervinho signing confirmed by Arsenal. Welcome. Hope you can settle in quickly.

Wenger says this morning that Nasri and Fabregas will be Arsenal players this coming season. Contract renewal talks are ongoing with Nanas.
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Post by: fari on July 11, 2011, 01:00:17 PM
Gervinho signing confirmed by Arsenal. Welcome. Hope you can settle in quickly.

Wenger says this morning that Nasri and Fabregas will be Arsenal players this coming season. Contract renewal talks are ongoing with Nanas.

lord i will keep praying about these two.

also dansteel and others wenger mentioned that in the lb position we have gibbs, traore and vermaelen.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 11, 2011, 02:13:13 PM
Gervinho signing confirmed by Arsenal. Welcome. Hope you can settle in quickly.

Wenger says this morning that Nasri and Fabregas will be Arsenal players this coming season. Contract renewal talks are ongoing with Nanas.

lord i will keep praying about these two.

also dansteel and others wenger mentioned that in the lb position we have gibbs, traore and vermaelen.
Yeah. I don't share Wenger's confidence in Gibbs. Traore is an accident waiting to happen in my opinion and I don't see the sense in playing our best centre back (a position we are weak in) on the flank, although he would probably do a good job. In Arsene we trust, I guess. Honestly I would be surprised if Cesc goes. Nasri too but less so.
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Post by: Blue on July 11, 2011, 02:17:30 PM
Gervinho signing confirmed by Arsenal. Welcome. Hope you can settle in quickly.

Wenger says this morning that Nasri and Fabregas will be Arsenal players this coming season. Contract renewal talks are ongoing with Nanas.

I find dis Gervinho guy real underwhelming
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 11, 2011, 02:35:13 PM
Gervinho signing confirmed by Arsenal. Welcome. Hope you can settle in quickly.

Wenger says this morning that Nasri and Fabregas will be Arsenal players this coming season. Contract renewal talks are ongoing with Nanas.

I find dis Gervinho guy real underwhelming
How so? Only see highlights and read articles but from those he look good. Of course that is not the whole picture.
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Post by: fari on July 11, 2011, 03:14:01 PM
Gervinho signing confirmed by Arsenal. Welcome. Hope you can settle in quickly.

Wenger says this morning that Nasri and Fabregas will be Arsenal players this coming season. Contract renewal talks are ongoing with Nanas.

I find dis Gervinho guy real underwhelming

ronaldo or messi he is not but he ent backward.   i watched quite a few lille matches this year and he and hazard were a deadly duo.  the sow fella benefit from having them two ball wizards around him.   i am not expecting miracles from him but i expect him to be a good addition to the side.
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Post by: Cantona007 on July 11, 2011, 04:08:36 PM
Alex Ferguson confirms in the press conference today that Nasri will not join Man United
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 11, 2011, 08:37:47 PM
I fackin hate the transfer window! The last time arsenal made a signing that made the fans go yes! Was bergkamp
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Post by: GunnerStunner on July 11, 2011, 08:47:15 PM
Ok I will say it, this arsenal side if nasri n cesc leave will only be left with the following top tier players, rvp, arshavin, sagna, wilshire and walcott I can't say cheesy even if he had a good season he cost us a cup...wenger has left arsenal a shadow of the image he built up! I f**king hate the state of the club now, it is slightly worse than relegation to know your side is not good enough to win only good enough to maybe put up a fight but can't last through to the 12th round and slug it out, sickened and fed up I want more change

 
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Post by: Bitter on July 11, 2011, 08:53:52 PM
Why yuh doh change yuh panties? They keep bunching up...
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 11, 2011, 10:33:04 PM
Ok I will say it, this arsenal side if nasri n cesc leave will only be left with the following top tier players, rvp, arshavin, sagna, wilshire and walcott I can't say cheesy even if he had a good season he cost us a cup...wenger has left arsenal a shadow of the image he built up! I f**king hate the state of the club now, it is slightly worse than relegation to know your side is not good enough to win only good enough to maybe put up a fight but can't last through to the 12th round and slug it out, sickened and fed up I want more change

Stunner you is my bredren and all but you really need to relax man! Try some meditation or something. Better yet, read Wenger interview from this morning.
VVVVVVVVV
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 11, 2011, 10:41:43 PM
Well this interview should slam the door on Nasri going. Wenger openly states he is prepared to let him walk on a free at the end of next season in order to keep him this year. Fabregas not as clear but they will call down big big paper for him if he wants to go. Mind you Cesc said in an interview last month it's the club's decision. Let Sarah Ferguson play her mind games.

All de man didn't say is "Look nah man! You doh f**king understand English or what? Nasri not goin nowhere!"

Arsène Wenger: We will fight until the last second to keep Fábregas

Will they stay or will they go? Arsenal's manager clarifies club's position on the future of Cesc Fábregas and Samir Nasri


http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/jul/12/arsene-wenger-fabregas-nasri-arsenal

David Hytner in Kuala Lumpur
The Guardian, Tuesday 12 July 2011
Article history

Why are you so confident that Cesc Fábregas will stay?
I am confident because I hope he will see that there will be no greater achievement for him in his life than to lead this team to success and that it will not be the right period for him to leave the club.

In one breath, you say "confident" but in the next, you say "hope". There seem to be a few grey areas ...

I think Cesc has always been torn between his love for Arsenal that I feel is really genuine and, as well and what you can understand, the desire to play for the biggest team, at the moment, in the world. I think both exist in his head.

Have you had a meeting with him since his return for pre-season last week to discuss where his head and his heart are leaning?

Yes. I cannot speak about the meeting but he knows that I want him to stay.

He is under contract until 2015 so, technically, he cannot force his way out?
No, but you can only be in if you are completely in. He is the leader of the team. He has to be completely focused and convinced that he wants to stay.

If he is not completely focused, Arsenal would presumably still not let him go unless they got what they felt was the right price for him?
Yes. But we want to keep him and for us, it's not a question of money. We are not there to make the money. We are there to keep our best players. We have managed the club well to be in a position to say "No". For any money. We have the potential to do that because we are in a healthy financial situation. But, on the other hand, you need as well the player wanting to be with you.

That's clearly the issue, isn't it? You have to be convinced that Cesc, in his heart, wants to stay, 100% ...
I am convinced, but I want him to be convinced.

Surely, he can give his best on the pitch only if he is 100% committed?
Some people questioned his last season but I never question his commitment. This guy is a real winner and if he did not have the expected season, it was down to injuries. He played in some games where he was not right completely but he wanted to play, to win.

You seem to be in a similar situation with Samir Nasri?
No. Samir's situation is clear for me.

He definitely stays, come what may?
He stays.

So if a club comes in with a big offer, knowing that he's in the final year of his contract, you will say, "You're staying..."

I've just told you that we are in a position where we can say "No".

And you will, in the case of Samir?
We will.

You think that it is worth more to have Samir for one more season and risk losing him on a Bosman free next summer than to cash in now?

Yes.

That could be construed as a £20m gamble?
[Smiling.] You are the same people who reproach me for not spending money and now you reproach me for wanting to spend it! It is in the interests of the club. Fábregas is in no man's land ... Imagine the worst situation, that we lose Fábregas and Nasri; you cannot convince people that you are ambitious after that. And even if you lose Nasri, to find the same quality player, you have to spend again the same amount of money because you cannot say you lose the player and you do not replace him. And the other clubs who come to take him have scouts all over the world as well but if they come to us for our player ...

You clearly don't want to sell Cesc but it's been like a feeding frenzy with the Catalans saying, officially and unofficially, that they will get him for this amount and that they will get him. Is there a message that you want to send to them, once and for all?
Ha ha. You know what they do. I can only speak for ourselves. For us, it's not a question of money. It's a question of desire. We want Cesc to be with us but we want him as well to be happy with us. I have heard people say that we do not want to keep Cesc. We are desperate to keep Cesc. And we will fight for everything because you do not educate a player for eight years as we have done only to want him to go once he is at an age to deliver. We want to keep the team together.

The boldest official statement from Barcelona this summer came from the president Sandro Rosell when he said that Cesc was worth less now than what he bid for him last summer [£40m]?

That is disrespectful to Cesc. I rate Cesc so highly that for me, he is top, top, world class. He is certainly in the top five midfield players in the world.

In summary, if Cesc is not happy, you would let him go?
I want him to be happy and to stay.

But if he said he was unhappy...?
That's the only way, he could get out. I don't think he's unhappy but he wants to go back to Barcelona. If we wanted to make a money situation and wanted to sell the player, we put him on the market and we ask "Who gives more?" But that would not be the conversation. For us, it's not a question of money. It is a question of Cesc wanting to be with us. And I think he is torn because he loves the club deeply. We will fight until the last second to keep him.

How important is it that you emerge from the transfer window with a bigger and stronger squad?
The message that we give out is important. For example, you see about Fábregas leaving, Nasri leaving ... if you give that message out, you cannot pretend you are a big club. Because a big club, first of all, holds on to its big players and gives a message out to all the other big clubs that they cannot come in and take away from you.

You have big games at the start of the season before the window closes, including the Champions League qualifiers...
I have a basic team in my head that can start the season and it is important as well to settle psychologically and that the players who are here focus on the season and not the transfer market. The players who are here will ask "Will he go, will he go?" That is not the way to prepare for the season.

Would a major signing convince the players who are ambivalent about staying?
What is very difficult for us is that as long as you do not know that this group stays together, you cannot strengthen the team because you think, "If he goes, I have to do what?" I also cannot really tell you [a transfer target], I want you because if he stays, you cannot come in. So you are in no man's land and that is terrible. That is why the transfer period basically should stop when the training starts.

So you need Fábregas to give you a quick answer, one by this week?
We have to stop at some stage. Cesc now comes back to training in London from a muscle injury so I hope we can close that very quickly. In our favour.
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Post by: GunnerStunner on July 12, 2011, 04:35:00 AM
Then where are the big signings?????? Even rvp questioning
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 12, 2011, 06:12:18 AM
Then where are the big signings?????? Even rvp questioning

Seriously dread. Relax. You starting to sound a little unstable over dis ting.
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Post by: Ngozi on July 12, 2011, 08:20:49 AM
Seems to me people more in a rush than the actual people themselves to get new signings ... until the season begin and the window close I remain patient..... we probably need a central defender samba or cahill and either another striker possibly a winger ... this team already has its core just a few more pieces
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Post by: GunnerStunner on July 12, 2011, 09:22:41 AM
I want them in now to gel with the team, so mr excuse I mean wenger won't say, he needs time to adjust to the prem/climate/food/tv/etc
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Post by: GunnerStunner on July 13, 2011, 08:30:17 AM
So arsenal kick off first preseason game today, vs malaysian xi ryo and jenkinson start
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 13, 2011, 10:46:11 AM
4 nil to the Arsenal. Looking forward to watching it tonight.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 13, 2011, 11:31:47 AM
Steups. This jacka$$? Barca will never, ever, lose another game. Ever.

Massimo Busacca appointed as Head of FIFA Refereeing Department
(FIFA.com) Wednesday 13 July 2011

http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/footballdevelopment/news/newsid=1474366/ (http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/footballdevelopment/news/newsid=1474366/)

FIFA is pleased to announce the appointment of Massimo Busacca as the Head of the FIFA Refereeing Department. Having recently called time on his refereeing career, the former Swiss international referee will join the ranks of world football’s governing body on 1 August 2011.

“As I have said on many occasions, I have made refereeing one of my main priorities. Massimo Busacca’s experience will prove to be particularly useful to our mission and to our efforts to continue the groundwork we have put in place with the confederations and member associations in this particularly important area. I am very happy that he has joined us,” said FIFA President Joseph S. Blatter.

During a refereeing career spanning more than 20 years, including 12 as an international referee, Massimo Busacca officiated at two FIFA World Cups™ (2006 and 2010) as well as at EURO 2008. He also took charge of the UEFA Champions League final in 2009, the UEFA Cup final in 2007 and the UEFA Super Cup in 2010. In addition, he also refereed more than 250 matches in the Swiss top flight, the AXPO Super League.

Busacca, who is 42, married and multilingual (Italian, English, French, German and Spanish), is also a member of the new FIFA Task Force Football 2014 chaired by Franz Beckenbauer.

“I have learned an enormous amount during the years I have dedicated to refereeing. I now intend to pass that knowledge on to my refereeing colleagues to ensure that refereeing continues to improve and to help it to prepare better for the future. This is something that I am very passionate about, and it is a role that I have accepted with great pride and pleasure. I would like to thank FIFA for the faith they have placed in me,” said the new Head of FIFA’s Refereeing Department.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 13, 2011, 02:47:41 PM
Arsenal manager Arsène Wenger accuses Xavi of being disrespectful over latest comments about Cesc Fabregas
Arsène Wenger has accused Xavi of repeatedly disrespecting Arsenal after Barcelona used their club website to publish claims that Cesc Fabregas is “suffering” in England.
By Jeremy Wilson, Kuala Lumpur
8:05PM BST 13 Jul 2011


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/8636027/Arsenal-manager-Arsene-Wenger-accuses-Xavi-of-being-disrespectful-over-latest-comments-about-Cesc-Fabregas.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/8636027/Arsenal-manager-Arsene-Wenger-accuses-Xavi-of-being-disrespectful-over-latest-comments-about-Cesc-Fabregas.html)

Xavi said that he had talked to Fabregas while on holiday and that the Arsenal captain had outlined his desire to leave. “I spoke to Cesc in Ibiza and he said he was suffering because he wanted to come,” said Xavi. “It’s more like, he did everything he could to come and wants to leave Arsenal.”

Arsenal have grown increasingly weary and angry at the way Barcelona players and directors have publicly courted Fabregas in recent years.

Wenger said last summer that Barcelona had a case to answer for ‘tapping up’ and, after watching his team beat Malaysia 4-0 in their first pre-season friendly yesterday, he was presented with Xavi’s comments.

“What is important is that Cesc Fabregas is contracted to Arsenal,” said Wenger. “That is a fact. Arsenal wants to keep him and all the rest is comment.

“If I found Barcelona in exactly the same position, I believe a mutual respect between the clubs should stop this kind of comment. If it is true then it is very disrespectful and it is not the first time that Xavi has been disrespectful to Arsenal.”

Xavi has spoken about the possibility of Fabregas leaving Arsenal on numerous occasions. He has previously described Fabregas as having “Barca DNA” and, in June 2010, he even claimed that it was certain that Fabregas would leave that summer.

Yet what seems significant about this latest intervention is that Xavi’s comments were posted on the Barcelona website. It follows Wenger’s admission on Monday that Fabregas can only conceivably leave if he is genuinely unhappy at Arsenal. After meeting Fabregas last week, Wenger emerged confident that he could convince his captain to stay.

Fabregas is not currently on Arsenal’s pre-season tour of Asia and, in his absence yesterday, Aaron Ramsey shone in his usual role just behind the main central striker. Ramsey scored the first goal against Malaysia with a penalty and then produced a defence-splitting pass for Theo Walcott to double the lead. Carlos Vela and Tomas Rosicky each scored second-half goals.

Samir Nasri, who will be staying at Arsenal next season, replaced Ramsey after 67 minutes and looked sharp in Fabregas’s usual position.

Manchester United are prepared to pay £20 million for Nasri, who is in the final year of his contract, but Wenger says he will be supported by the Arsenal directors, including owner Stan Kroenke, to refuse all offers.

“I believe that’s no problem,” said Wenger. “It is a technical decision. On one hand, people say I don’t spend enough and, when I spend, people say I spend too much. What is important is that we have a good team and that the club is in a strong financial situation. The decisions are dictated by financial restrictions but not only by financial restrictions.”

Wenger is also confident that the Arsenal supporters will respond positively to Nasri. “He has always had a very good attitude,” he said. “I think everyone who loves Arsenal wants for our strong players to stay.”
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 14, 2011, 07:09:33 AM
Arsenal vs Malaysia XI thoughts (I only watched the 1st half & highlights):

Bendtner only leaving us in body, not in spirit. He give his first touch to Chamakh. The man looked real rusty.

Ryo looked good. Defensive awareness, interceptions, good dribbling, strong on the ball, passing vision and pace. A very impressive debut.

Jenkinson also looked decent. Strength, pace, tackling ability and he can cross!

Ramsey was outstanding. If Fabregas leaves a lot will fall on his shoulders. The best passer on the field, although he missed a sitter.

Wilshere was good but a bit clumsy in the tackle, he will have to watch those fouls but he works hard to get the ball back.

Vermaelen looked good mostly but got caught high up the pitch a few times (as he has a tendency to do). Song and Wilshere covered well.

Szcz didn’t have much to do but he did it well. Nice footwork on a couple attempted lobs.

Good timing of runs by Theo. He should have scored 2 or 3.

Vela 1 good goal and 1 cleared off the line after his first touch failed him.

I know is just an exhibition game but the team looked decent. Hope we get that work permit for Ryo.
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Post by: Observer on July 14, 2011, 07:22:14 AM
Arsenal biggest loss from the club was in 2007, when David Dein left because he fell out with the Board.
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Post by: fari on July 14, 2011, 10:04:34 AM
Arsenal vs Malaysia XI thoughts (I only watched the 1st half & highlights):

Bendtner only leaving us in body, not in spirit. He give his first touch to Chamakh. The man looked real rusty.

Ryo looked good. Defensive awareness, interceptions, good dribbling, strong on the ball, passing vision and pace. A very impressive debut.

Jenkinson also looked decent. Strength, pace, tackling ability and he can cross!

Ramsey was outstanding. If Fabregas leaves a lot will fall on his shoulders. The best passer on the field, although he missed a sitter.

Wilshere was good but a bit clumsy in the tackle, he will have to watch those fouls but he works hard to get the ball back.

Vermaelen looked good mostly but got caught high up the pitch a few times (as he has a tendency to do). Song and Wilshere covered well.

Szcz didn’t have much to do but he did it well. Nice footwork on a couple attempted lobs.

Good timing of runs by Theo. He should have scored 2 or 3.

Vela 1 good goal and 1 cleared off the line after his first touch failed him.

I know is just an exhibition game but the team looked decent. Hope we get that work permit for Ryo.

sad to hear about chamakh, i hope he improves...his confidence seems to have left him tho. this is sad b/c with jenkinson's crossing he bound to get nuff headers

i know ryo is young but i have high hopes for him.   i am glad you mentioned he has defensive awareness b/c that is something arshavin cannot or will not incorporate in his game

ramsey is a boss, i glad to hear he coming on stronger
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Post by: GunnerStunner on July 14, 2011, 08:06:13 PM
Ok I'm calm again for now. Only because I needed to stop being irrational and in a state of panic. Time to see if the prof still has it.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 15, 2011, 07:21:03 AM
Ok I'm calm again for now. Only because I needed to stop being irrational and in a state of panic. Time to see if the prof still has it.

:applause:
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 15, 2011, 07:22:45 AM
Anybody been watching Joel Campbell (Costa Rican striker) at the Copa America? Apparently Arsenal is trying to sign him from Saprissa.
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Post by: GunnerStunner on July 15, 2011, 08:37:37 AM
Do we need another striker? I think one or two should be sold if we are gonna get another one. also we need to drop squill and denilson just so we can save on wages
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 15, 2011, 08:56:09 AM
Do we need another striker? I think one or two should be sold if we are gonna get another one. also we need to drop squill and denilson just so we can save on wages

He's 19 and coming from Saprissa (all due respect) so unless he's a serious beast then he'll probably go out on loan. They not dropping Squillaci after 1 season. Denilson we will have to see but I think that is going to go until late in the window as we will accept a lower transfer fee the closer it gets to deadline day and every club in the world knows it.

I don't know if Gervinho is supposed to be a "big" striker or a winger but I think we do need another striker. As I keep saying, Arsenal is the only big club in Europe with only one brand name striker. And when the end of season slump started (in fact for most of it), Arsenal's problem wasn't its defence, it was scoring goals. How else do you explain going undefeated in the league for so long yet not winning a game? More penetration is needed, which means a top striker or a better Plan B. Judging from Chamakh's performance in Malaysia he is still not the man for it.
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Post by: Ngozi on July 15, 2011, 12:24:30 PM
Do we need another striker? I think one or two should be sold if we are gonna get another one. also we need to drop squill and denilson just so we can save on wages

He's 19 and coming from Saprissa (all due respect) so unless he's a serious beast then he'll probably go out on loan. They not dropping Squillaci after 1 season. Denilson we will have to see but I think that is going to go until late in the window as we will accept a lower transfer fee the closer it gets to deadline day and every club in the world knows it.

I don't know if Gervinho is supposed to be a "big" striker or a winger but I think we do need another striker. As I keep saying, Arsenal is the only big club in Europe with only one brand name striker. And when the end of season slump started (in fact for most of it), Arsenal's problem wasn't its defence, it was scoring goals. How else do you explain going undefeated in the league for so long yet not winning a game? More penetration is needed, which means a top striker or a better Plan B. Judging from Chamakh's performance in Malaysia he is still not the man for it.

Chicharito supposedly get drop at Chivas and wasn't doing too much either but look at him now in his first season.... look at Wilshire and even mayaichi..... where you come from doesnt determine where you going or where you end up!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 15, 2011, 12:50:09 PM
Do we need another striker? I think one or two should be sold if we are gonna get another one. also we need to drop squill and denilson just so we can save on wages

He's 19 and coming from Saprissa (all due respect) so unless he's a serious beast then he'll probably go out on loan. They not dropping Squillaci after 1 season. Denilson we will have to see but I think that is going to go until late in the window as we will accept a lower transfer fee the closer it gets to deadline day and every club in the world knows it.

I don't know if Gervinho is supposed to be a "big" striker or a winger but I think we do need another striker. As I keep saying, Arsenal is the only big club in Europe with only one brand name striker. And when the end of season slump started (in fact for most of it), Arsenal's problem wasn't its defence, it was scoring goals. How else do you explain going undefeated in the league for so long yet not winning a game? More penetration is needed, which means a top striker or a better Plan B. Judging from Chamakh's performance in Malaysia he is still not the man for it.

Chicharito supposedly get drop at Chivas and wasn't doing too much either but look at him now in his first season.... look at Wilshire and even mayaichi..... where you come from doesnt determine where you going or where you end up!

I didn't mean that he not good. I meant that unless he was exceptional I didn't think he was going straight into the first team. Who knows. I never even hear bout him until this morning.
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Post by: fari on July 15, 2011, 02:40:29 PM
Do we need another striker? I think one or two should be sold if we are gonna get another one. also we need to drop squill and denilson just so we can save on wages


who are the strikers?   rvp, chamakh.   walcott go still be on the wing b/c of his pace.  gervinho is a winger/forward.   
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Post by: GunnerStunner on July 18, 2011, 04:13:59 PM
I hope they loan out Denilshittyson for the reat of his career let everyone else pay his non tracking back ass salary
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 18, 2011, 06:25:59 PM
I hope they loan out Denilshittyson for the reat of his career let everyone else pay his non tracking back ass salary
He is gone on a season long loan to Sao Paulo.

Anyone know if Kyle Bartley is supposed to figure in Arsenal's plans this season? He would have gotten some good exposure playing for Rangers in the SPL and Europa League, although I have only seen youtube clips of him. I say let him push Squillaci down the depth chart.
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Post by: GunnerStunner on July 18, 2011, 08:41:32 PM
No clue but I hope denilson never wears an arsenal shirt again especially after his press conference near end of season
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Post by: Ngozi on July 18, 2011, 08:50:23 PM
Do we need another striker? I think one or two should be sold if we are gonna get another one. also we need to drop squill and denilson just so we can save on wages

Men on contract ....... yuh cyah just drop men just so
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Post by: GunnerStunner on July 19, 2011, 05:45:23 AM
I know which is why we couldn't sell the f**ker, teams interested in him he didn't want to go because of his ambition. Selling a player needs two key parts one a fee the club accepts and two if the player accepts the transfer. So in other words no deal could be made and he is off on a sabbatical in brazil. At least we don't have to pay him next season, now for rosicky and diaby to go out on loan.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 19, 2011, 06:45:58 AM
Apparently Arsenal pull out of the Joel Campbell deal. Details fuzzy.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 19, 2011, 06:51:06 AM
'We're not finished in transfer market yet'

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/-we-re-not-finished-in-transfer-market-yet- (http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/-we-re-not-finished-in-transfer-market-yet-)

By Richard Clarke
 
Ivan Gazidis says Arsenal have not yet finished their transfer activity this summer and have “substantial” funds to invest.
 
The Club’s Chief Executive Officer fully expects Arsène Wenger to add to the purchase of Carl Jenkinson and Gervinho. But, he commented, they would keep their targets under wraps.
 
"We still will be active in this window,” said Mr Gazidis. “We haven't finished our business at all. We're just not conducting it publicly; we're working hard privately.
 
“I'm was out in Asia because I could be with Arsène for an extended period of time and think very, very carefully about strategy and targets.
 
“We understand where the weaknesses have been. Financially we're in a strong position, we have resources to spend. We're certainly not sitting there saying ‘let's hold back on our resources’ for some reason, why would we?
 
“The resources are there. We've got a substantial amount of money that we can invest. The important thing for us, which can be frustrating, is not doing it only in response to a public clamour but in a way that can positively impact our performance next year. That's the focus now.”
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 19, 2011, 06:55:59 AM
Bartley - I’m ready for the first team now

http://www.arsenal.com/news/reserves-news/bartley-i-m-ready-for-the-first-team-now (http://www.arsenal.com/news/reserves-news/bartley-i-m-ready-for-the-first-team-now)

By Giuseppe Muro

Kyle Bartley says he is ready to break into the Arsenal first team this season after making giant strides during his time at Rangers.

The commanding central defender was on the fringes of Arsène Wenger’s squad last summer but the manager decided another loan spell would be best for his development. Bartley headed to Sheffield United before making the switch to Rangers, where he excelled as the Scottish giants secured a League and Cup Double.

Now, after fine-tuning his game and learning a thing or two in the high-pressure environment of Ibrox, Bartley feels he has what it takes to be an Arsenal player.

“If I’m honest, I don’t think I was anywhere near the level to play for Arsenal last season,” he told Arsenal.com. “But I’ve come back, I feel really strong and I feel that I am ready now.

“I learned the demands of being at a top football club who are trying to win things and how important it is to be a champion and a winner. Every time you step on the pitch, you are going out there to win so there is a lot of pressure on you.

“I think I can offer something else [because] I am a little bit different to the other centre backs. I like the physical side of the game and I see myself as a leader. If Arsène decides that he wants me in the first team then that will be fantastic.”

Bartley wasn’t part of the squad that travelled to Asia because he had not fully recovered from a medial ligament injury sustained while north of the border.

He will link up with the first-team squad when they return to training on Tuesday and the 19-year-old is hoping to catch his manager’s eye ahead of this week’s trip to Germany.

“I spoke to the boss on the Friday before they left [for Asia] and he told me that they had four centre backs [going on the tour] and obviously I wasn’t fully over my injury yet. It’s just one of those things.

“It was always the aim to get back for the start of pre-season because it’s an important time of the year. I will be back with them on Tuesday when they are back in training with a view to going to Germany with them.

“He has said he doesn’t want me going on loan yet and he hasn’t made his mind up. My hopes are the same as every year, to be an Arsenal first-team player. Hopefully, this year, that will happen.”
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 19, 2011, 08:13:13 AM
So, watched the Hangzhou Greentown game last night. Nice to see Arsenal still plays the high defensive line without the midfielders pressing the ball. If they expect to win titles without doing that Wenger's gone next summer.

Oh yeah and Squillaci is still toots.
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Post by: GunnerStunner on July 19, 2011, 11:23:33 AM
When will wenger n gazidis quit the rhetoric?? If we win anything they will be vindicated if they don't they will carry on saying "wait for it" I will wait till window closes...
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 19, 2011, 11:51:01 AM
When will wenger n gazidis quit the rhetoric?? If we win anything they will be vindicated if they don't they will carry on saying "wait for it" I will wait till window closes...

Isn't that the point though?
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Post by: GunnerStunner on July 19, 2011, 01:21:35 PM
im in a quandry. based on the last 6 years i want them gone, i want change, i want proof of success (more than fiscal) i want clear signs of ambition not survival at the top
nothing we do makes the cream of the crop players want to come us.
if we are al;ways second best we will always attract second best. if chelski n city never got the cash steriods they got wenger policy would have worked  ans titles swung between arsenal and manu instead we feel behind barely keeping pace and never making the podium

significant and last positive change is needed desperately
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Post by: Blue on July 19, 2011, 01:47:27 PM
im in a quandry. based on the last 6 years i want them gone, i want change, i want proof of success (more than fiscal) i want clear signs of ambition not survival at the top
nothing we do makes the cream of the crop players want to come us.
if we are al;ways second best we will always attract second best. if chelski n city never got the cash steriods they got wenger policy would have worked  ans titles swung between arsenal and manu instead we feel behind barely keeping pace and never making the podium

significant and last positive change is needed desperately

lol, yall need to keep quiet and focus on qualifying for champs league this year
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 19, 2011, 02:10:58 PM
im in a quandry. based on the last 6 years i want them gone, i want change, i want proof of success (more than fiscal) i want clear signs of ambition not survival at the top
nothing we do makes the cream of the crop players want to come us.
if we are al;ways second best we will always attract second best. if chelski n city never got the cash steriods they got wenger policy would have worked  ans titles swung between arsenal and manu instead we feel behind barely keeping pace and never making the podium

significant and last positive change is needed desperately
The last "cream of the crop" players Arsenal signed were Bergy and Overmars. Henry was a backup winger at Juve, Vieira was a reserve player at AC Milan. Pires and Freddie were promising young wingers at Halmstad and OM. More steel in defensive midfield and attacking variation are what is needed.
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Post by: GunnerStunner on July 19, 2011, 10:34:15 PM
Frank? Effin ribery? Wtf?
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Post by: JDB on July 20, 2011, 02:49:21 AM
im in a quandry. based on the last 6 years i want them gone, i want change, i want proof of success (more than fiscal) i want clear signs of ambition not survival at the top
nothing we do makes the cream of the crop players want to come us.
if we are al;ways second best we will always attract second best. if chelski n city never got the cash steriods they got wenger policy would have worked  ans titles swung between arsenal and manu instead we feel behind barely keeping pace and never making the podium

significant and last positive change is needed desperately
The last "cream of the crop" players Arsenal signed were Bergy and Overmars. Henry was a backup winger at Juve, Vieira was a reserve player at AC Milan. Pires and Freddie were promising young wingers at Halmstad and OM. More steel in defensive midfield and attacking variation are what is needed.

Allyuh men real don't like Arshavin boy. Allyuh do a Jedi mind truck to wipe the man from existence.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 20, 2011, 07:31:28 AM
im in a quandry. based on the last 6 years i want them gone, i want change, i want proof of success (more than fiscal) i want clear signs of ambition not survival at the top
nothing we do makes the cream of the crop players want to come us.
if we are al;ways second best we will always attract second best. if chelski n city never got the cash steriods they got wenger policy would have worked  ans titles swung between arsenal and manu instead we feel behind barely keeping pace and never making the podium

significant and last positive change is needed desperately
The last "cream of the crop" players Arsenal signed were Bergy and Overmars. Henry was a backup winger at Juve, Vieira was a reserve player at AC Milan. Pires and Freddie were promising young wingers at Halmstad and OM. More steel in defensive midfield and attacking variation are what is needed.

Allyuh men real don't like Arshavin boy. Allyuh do a Jedi mind truck to wipe the man from existence.
Hahaha. Arsha is a big player, but I wouldn't call him a superstar. He was Arsenal record transfer fee though. Maybe if he was behind the striker he woulda be blowing up.
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Post by: GunnerStunner on July 20, 2011, 07:32:27 AM
in times like these it real hard to back players who not producing

to be honest he is a magical luxury we cant afford these days we need results and consistency when that happens then aplayer like him can express himself.

waiting till emirates cup and a few more preseason games.

this shize better stop stumbling and start winning
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 20, 2011, 08:32:05 AM
in times like these it real hard to back players who not producing

to be honest he is a magical luxury we cant afford these days we need results and consistency when that happens then aplayer like him can express himself.

waiting till emirates cup and a few more preseason games.

this shize better stop stumbling and start winning
He led the team in assists (11) tied with Fabregas.Tied for third in the league. In my opinion he should be playing in Cesc spot and Fabregas deeper. Like Iniesta and Xavi, or Kaka and Pirlo when Milan was good. He is wasted on the wing and still doing a respectable job. I keep saying, look at his UEFA Cup games for Zenit and how he destroy Holland at Euro 2008.
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Post by: Ngozi on July 20, 2011, 10:05:44 AM
im in a quandry. based on the last 6 years i want them gone, i want change, i want proof of success (more than fiscal) i want clear signs of ambition not survival at the top
nothing we do makes the cream of the crop players want to come us.
if we are al;ways second best we will always attract second best. if chelski n city never got the cash steriods they got wenger policy would have worked  ans titles swung between arsenal and manu instead we feel behind barely keeping pace and never making the podium

significant and last positive change is needed desperately
The last "cream of the crop" players Arsenal signed were Bergy and Overmars. Henry was a backup winger at Juve, Vieira was a reserve player at AC Milan. Pires and Freddie were promising young wingers at Halmstad and OM. More steel in defensive midfield and attacking variation are what is needed.
rsenal so much like players that he got expeled onto the wing  just like Nasri!!

Allyuh men real don't like Arshavin boy. Allyuh do a Jedi mind truck to wipe the man from existence.
Hahaha. Arsha is a big player, but I wouldn't call him a superstar. He was Arsenal record transfer fee though. Maybe if he was behind the striker he woulda be blowing up.

That is his role pretty much but when he came to Arsenal he got expelled off onto the wing just like nasri... which is why yuh cyah just buy because a man good yuh have to buy for what you need we need a left winger...another finisher and a defense man ... I

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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 20, 2011, 10:34:01 AM
im in a quandry. based on the last 6 years i want them gone, i want change, i want proof of success (more than fiscal) i want clear signs of ambition not survival at the top
nothing we do makes the cream of the crop players want to come us.
if we are al;ways second best we will always attract second best. if chelski n city never got the cash steriods they got wenger policy would have worked  ans titles swung between arsenal and manu instead we feel behind barely keeping pace and never making the podium

significant and last positive change is needed desperately
The last "cream of the crop" players Arsenal signed were Bergy and Overmars. Henry was a backup winger at Juve, Vieira was a reserve player at AC Milan. Pires and Freddie were promising young wingers at Halmstad and OM. More steel in defensive midfield and attacking variation are what is needed.
rsenal so much like players that he got expeled onto the wing  just like Nasri!!

Allyuh men real don't like Arshavin boy. Allyuh do a Jedi mind truck to wipe the man from existence.
Hahaha. Arsha is a big player, but I wouldn't call him a superstar. He was Arsenal record transfer fee though. Maybe if he was behind the striker he woulda be blowing up.

That is his role pretty much but when he came to Arsenal he got expelled off onto the wing just like nasri... which is why yuh cyah just buy because a man good yuh have to buy for what you need we need a left winger...another finisher and a defense man ... I


They were designing the side around Fabregas as a trequartista. I think he has shown that he is also effective as a Regista this season. Problem is that could mean Wilshere benching more when he needs to push on this year. But then Arsenal already have too many creative attacking midfielders right now. They need proper wingers and a defensive midfielder.
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Post by: GunnerStunner on July 21, 2011, 12:30:00 PM
I am sick of the lack off respect arsenal is shown! Everton want 20mil for phil jag, bolyton want 17 for cahill, yet city get clichy for 7??? Wtf anyone we look at price doubles ah sick of it sick fed up vex mad!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 21, 2011, 01:04:59 PM
I am sick of the lack off respect arsenal is shown! Everton want 20mil for phil jag, bolyton want 17 for cahill, yet city get clichy for 7??? Wtf anyone we look at price doubles ah sick of it sick fed up vex mad!

Bolton dreaming. Jagielka is better than Cahill and has a nex 3-4 years on his contact (he signed an extension in March). Plus he English and a senior international. Look United just pay 20 for a Under 21 England international with hardly any experience. Clichy is not English, both he and Arsenal wanted to part ways and he had 1 year on his deal left. Sure Jag overpriced (cahill even more so) but in this market that is actually a decent price. Plus they both far better than any of our defenders at set pieces (except maybe Vermaelen) and not very far behind them in defending from open play. I say pay it and done yes. I prefer Jagielka though.
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Post by: Peong on July 21, 2011, 01:44:38 PM
I am sick of the lack off respect arsenal is shown! Everton want 20mil for phil jag, bolyton want 17 for cahill, yet city get clichy for 7??? Wtf anyone we look at price doubles ah sick of it sick fed up vex mad!


So true, but it's up to Arsenal to demand respect.  Clichy could easily fetch 12-15 if not more.  Wenger too soft.
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Post by: JDB on July 21, 2011, 06:06:24 PM
Fellas allyuh not making sense. Clichy had 1 year left n his contract, arsenal do well to get 7 million. Jagielka is an into centreback approaching his prime. If Jones could gomfor 20M, Lescott could go for 26 jagielka has to be at least 20M. Even Arsenal sell Toure for more than 16M, how Jagielka could be cheaper than that two years later.

Arsenal just trying to lowball Everton hoping to unsettle the player and/or have him request a transfer.
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Post by: GunnerStunner on July 21, 2011, 07:19:55 PM
Arsenal board doh cater to inflated prices lol only inflated ticket prices

 
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Post by: GunnerStunner on July 22, 2011, 01:10:58 PM
here is one reason why Barca should shut the f**k up, take up a collection, and pay arsenal way more than 40mil for Cesc

his pass to silva won the world cup

spain never looked like scoring until Cesc came on.

for that reason spain should kiss wengers feet and gladly pay whatever gracious bargain amount the club values him at.

If Shittyano Ronaldo can go for 80mil why shouldnt cesc go for 100mil??
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Post by: Jah Gol on July 22, 2011, 01:34:18 PM
Fabregas isn't worth 40 million and we don't need him anyway.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 22, 2011, 02:28:48 PM
Fabregas isn't worth 40 million and we don't need him anyway.

In THIS market? For the player with the most assists in the 5 big European leagues over the last 5 years? And created goalscoring chances more frequently than any player in those leagues this year? And placed joint third in the premier league for assists despite missing almost half the season via injury? And played 75% more successful through balls than any player in the Premier league this season? He's worth minimum 40 million pounds. Don't think he's worth more than Ronaldo though. Whether Barca needs Fabregas or not is another matter. Probably not at the moment.
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Post by: kicker on July 22, 2011, 02:46:43 PM
Enough about Fabregas already lol...
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 22, 2011, 02:55:25 PM
Enough about Fabregas already lol...
Kicker, you come to an Arsenal thread to say dat? Yuh brave boy! It doh have nutten else goin on with Arsenal.
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Post by: GunnerStunner on July 22, 2011, 07:29:58 PM
Kicker wish cesc  was going real, he vex shittiano ronaldo cost so much lol when they coulda had two cesc

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Post by: fari on July 23, 2011, 01:20:37 PM
gervinho scored two on his debut...well taken goals too...i'd like to see more of him, ryo and walcott up top, pressure for defenders

highlights here:

http://arsenalist.com/video/?id=xk348d
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Post by: Observer on July 23, 2011, 01:35:30 PM
A striker that likes to get behind the defense. Trouble! Long time needed!
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Post by: giggsy11 on July 23, 2011, 01:45:02 PM
He and Sagna will be competing for worse hairstyles ever!
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Post by: Ngozi on July 23, 2011, 03:12:32 PM
I was watching some extended highlights... we dont need a defensive mid Frimpong is an animal!
Gervinho makes some really good off the ball movements ... I do believe we haver another source of goals!
The defence still looking shaky still trying to decide who will partner vermalean who by the way flies forward from his position ... gonna have to watch that .
Gibbs looks good going forward not defensively tho I was seeing too much space for the other team.
Wilshire lol is looking a real player really stepping up.
Arshavin lol is tearing people up again!
Definitely need another defender!
Miyaichi is tears ..pace  for real ... by the way did you guys hear he and theo ran a race and it was a dead heat?

Preseason early days still
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 24, 2011, 03:44:46 AM
What was wrong with Rambo? The man look real bad in this game. Like he went and drink de night before or something.

I find Jenkinson OG was a hard luck. He look good up till that point. Slicing a clearance like that it doh get worse. Real freak occurrence.

I was watching some extended highlights... we dont need a defensive mid Frimpong is an animal!
Gervinho makes some really good off the ball movements ... I do believe we haver another source of goals!
The defence still looking shaky still trying to decide who will partner vermalean who by the way flies forward from his position ... gonna have to watch that .
Gibbs looks good going forward not defensively tho I was seeing too much space for the other team.
Wilshire lol is looking a real player really stepping up.
Arshavin lol is tearing people up again!
Definitely need another defender!
Miyaichi is tears ..pace  for real ... by the way did you guys hear he and theo ran a race and it was a dead heat?

Preseason early days still
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Post by: dwn on July 24, 2011, 05:16:46 AM
Miyaichi is tears ..pace  for real ... by the way did you guys hear he and theo ran a race and it was a dead heat?

There was a play in the game where Miyaichi and Walcott broke away on a counter attack. It was incredible to watch.
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Post by: Observer on July 24, 2011, 03:48:26 PM
If arsenal looking for a Central defender they should look to Uruguay
Godín or Coates both young, quick and can pass the ball.
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Post by: GunnerStunner on July 24, 2011, 04:09:57 PM
I been talking about frimpong since last season, we woulda see a lot more bar his injury. Denilson woulda been shut out totally if he was available
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 24, 2011, 09:03:40 PM
I been talking about frimpong since last season, we woulda see a lot more bar his injury. Denilson woulda been shut out totally if he was available
Well he better be worth it because Arsenal need a good DM besides Alex Song (who will be gone for the AFCON mid season I think, if Cameroon qualify). I think more so than an aerially strong centre back. But yes, I liked what I saw in the Koln game.
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Post by: GunnerStunner on July 25, 2011, 09:38:13 AM
jeeze

its not the start of our campain thats gives us grief but the home stretch

in mid we can choose from:

 jack rambo frimpong nasri cesc AA ryo diaby?? eboue to name a few

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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 25, 2011, 09:57:23 AM
What's the situation with Ryo's work permit? He has been playing games for Arsenal and is listed as a member of the first team on the official site but is that significant? All the games he played in were outside the UK. Of course I have no knowledge of UK immigration law.

jeeze

its not the start of our campain thats gives us grief but the home stretch

in mid we can choose from:

 jack rambo frimpong nasri cesc AA ryo diaby?? eboue to name a few


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Post by: GunnerStunner on July 25, 2011, 10:09:08 AM
no clu ebut i doubt the proff will break any regulations
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Post by: GunnerStunner on July 26, 2011, 11:51:12 AM
Looks like Eboue and JET leaving

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Post by: GunnerStunner on July 27, 2011, 07:42:30 AM
Looking forward to the emirates cup this weekend and Thierry always welcome will always be an arsenal legend

 
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Post by: GunnerStunner on July 27, 2011, 09:06:40 AM
Arsenal injuries mount before season starts, conor wickham and theo walcott knee n ankle respectively, although former is only reserves
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 27, 2011, 09:24:20 AM
Arsenal injuries mount before season starts, conor wickham and theo walcott knee n ankle respectively, although former is only reserves

Theo is a recurring injury apparently. Let's just hope it doh end up like Vermaelen last season. He made a huge step forward last season and we need him to progress further this coming year.
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Post by: Ngozi on July 27, 2011, 09:00:45 PM
Was lloking at some Arsenal targets play today hazard looked ordinary but Thiagooooooooolllllll ... that youth is fyah!!!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 27, 2011, 09:46:50 PM
Was lloking at some Arsenal targets play today hazard looked ordinary but Thiagooooooooolllllll ... that youth is fyah!!!
Yeah he look good but Arsenal would be idiots to give up Cesc for him. I read people saying he better than Fabregas. Them people smoking too much crack. And same thing going to happen with him. Xavi go be spouting the same nonsense about "Barca DNA".

Speaking of Hazard somebody was saying today Belgium gonna blow up in Euros next year and World Cup 2014. Vermaelen, Verthongen, Kompany, Fellaini, Lukalu, Hazard? That is talent! Who gonna score on them men?
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Post by: Ngozi on July 28, 2011, 05:54:38 AM
Was lloking at some Arsenal targets play today hazard looked ordinary but Thiagooooooooolllllll ... that youth is fyah!!!
Yeah he look good but Arsenal would be idiots to give up Cesc for him. I read people saying he better than Fabregas. Them people smoking too much crack. And same thing going to happen with him. Xavi go be spouting the same nonsense about "Barca DNA".

Speaking of Hazard somebody was saying today Belgium gonna blow up in Euros next year and World Cup 2014. Vermaelen, Verthongen, Kompany, Fellaini, Lukalu, Hazard? That is talent! Who gonna score on them men?

Hazard score vs Marseille his first step really quick.... Thiago not better but Cesc is a more intelligent baller according to van persie  "he sees it before other players do" I do think touches wise Thiago control and such may be better it razor sharp ....Yeah that belgium team look like fire.... kompany is an underated baller but he is pretty damn good!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 28, 2011, 06:55:18 AM
Was lloking at some Arsenal targets play today hazard looked ordinary but Thiagooooooooolllllll ... that youth is fyah!!!
Yeah he look good but Arsenal would be idiots to give up Cesc for him. I read people saying he better than Fabregas. Them people smoking too much crack. And same thing going to happen with him. Xavi go be spouting the same nonsense about "Barca DNA".

Speaking of Hazard somebody was saying today Belgium gonna blow up in Euros next year and World Cup 2014. Vermaelen, Verthongen, Kompany, Fellaini, Lukalu, Hazard? That is talent! Who gonna score on them men?

Hazard score vs Marseille his first step really quick.... Thiago not better but Cesc is a more intelligent baller according to van persie  "he sees it before other players do" I do think touches wise Thiago control and such may be better it razor sharp ....Yeah that belgium team look like fire.... kompany is an underated baller but he is pretty damn good!
Yeah Cesc have technique but it is good, rather than great. His gift is definitely his vision which is why I think he is better in a deeper role than they play him at Arsenal. More like a Pirlo/Xabi Alonso playmaker than a Wesley Sneijder/Mesut Ozil type, although he can do both.
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Post by: GunnerStunner on July 28, 2011, 10:44:48 AM
Where d defensive signing wenger? Yuh have these fellas on this forum thinking about more forwards n mid fielders! We need a solid defensive core

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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 28, 2011, 11:17:05 AM
Where d defensive signing wenger? Yuh have these fellas on this forum thinking about more forwards n mid fielders! We need a solid defensive core
You feel he have we to study? The man say he looking for a defensive signing and the transfer window still have a month to run. Arsenal really only need a centre back with good aerial and clearing ability. Honestly I more worried about no left winger. And of course if Frimpong can back up Alex Song.
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Post by: dwn on July 28, 2011, 11:45:39 AM
Where d defensive signing wenger? Yuh have these fellas on this forum thinking about more forwards n mid fielders! We need a solid defensive core
You feel he have we to study? The man say he looking for a defensive signing and the transfer window still have a month to run. Arsenal really only need a centre back with good aerial and clearing ability. Honestly I more worried about no left winger. And of course if Frimpong can back up Alex Song.

You have so much faith in Frimpong? I worried about that position too.
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Post by: GunnerStunner on July 28, 2011, 12:08:31 PM
Frimpong cut from the same cloth as jack but with more muscle
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Post by: Ngozi on July 28, 2011, 02:11:23 PM
Two solid signings so far going after a third and he will def bring in a defendsr ... things not looking as bad as they seem!!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 28, 2011, 02:27:17 PM
Where d defensive signing wenger? Yuh have these fellas on this forum thinking about more forwards n mid fielders! We need a solid defensive core
You feel he have we to study? The man say he looking for a defensive signing and the transfer window still have a month to run. Arsenal really only need a centre back with good aerial and clearing ability. Honestly I more worried about no left winger. And of course if Frimpong can back up Alex Song.

You have so much faith in Frimpong? I worried about that position too.
I don't have that much faith in him. I said IF he can back up Song. He looked good in a couple preseason games is all. But what Arshavin was saying about pressing in midfield is correct. They need to do much more of it and then there won't be nearly as much need for a pure defensive midfielder as a lot of the pressure will be taken off Song's position. Look at Busquets, he is no big tackler but he is one of the best holding midfielders in the world. Song and Frimpong are tacklers. If Arsenal can press in midfield consistently the way they did in the Chelsea game over the Xmas holidays they will be VERY hard to beat.
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Post by: GunnerStunner on July 29, 2011, 06:03:20 AM
Rumor mill working over time, juan mata for 24mil phil jag 15mil joel campbell 10mil and telling barca cough up or wank off
Really looking forward to emirates cup
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 29, 2011, 08:09:52 AM
Diaby out for 10 weeks after ankle surgery. Seriously, what does this guy do besides getting injured and pissing away his talent? Sell him Wenger, he had his chance.
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Post by: Touches on July 29, 2011, 09:01:28 AM
Arsenal midfielder Abou Diaby sidelined for 10 weeks

Abou Diaby Diaby played 20 times for Arsenal last season

Midfielder Abou Diaby will miss the start of Arsenal's season after having ankle surgery during the summer.

Diaby, 25, has been troubled by the injury since the end of last season and was absent from the club's summer tour of Asia and a training camp in Germany.

Manager Arsene Wenger expects Diaby to miss league matches against Newcastle, Liverpool and Manchester United.

"Normally he should be back eight to 10 weeks after his surgery, which means the end of August," said Wenger.
DID YOU KNOW?
Continue reading the main story

    Both Abou Diaby's goals for Arsenal last season came against Blackpool

Arsenal travel to Tyneside for their Premier League opener on 13 August, before a home match against Liverpool on 20 August and a visit to Old Trafford on 28 August.

After taking only five points from their last six games last season, which saw them slip down to fourth place after being well-placed for a title challenge, Arsenal also face a two-legged play-off to qualify for the group stage of the Champions League.

Diaby will also miss those matches, against as-yet-unknown opposition, on 16 or 17 August and 23 or 24 August.

The Frenchman's absence for a tricky start to the Gunners' league programme will be exacerbated by Denilson's departure to Sao Paulo on loan.
ARSENAL'S SENIOR MIDFIELDERS
Continue reading the main story

    Cesc Fabregas
    Abou Diaby
    Tomas Rosicky
    Samir Nasri
    Aaron Ramsey
    Alex Song
    Jack Wilshere
    Andrey Arshavin
    Emmanuel Eboue

The situation could get even worse for Wenger with the possible loss of further midfield personnel before the close of the transfer window.

The future of captain Cesc Fabregas, a long-time Barcelona target, is still uncertain while Samir Nasri has been linked with a move to either Manchester United or Manchester City.

And occasional winger Theo Walcott has been sent home from Germany for a scan in an attempt to clear up a recurring ankle problem while 19-year-old Conor Henderson has been ruled out for the first six months of the season with a knee injury.
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Post by: Ngozi on July 29, 2011, 09:24:37 AM
Diaby to me serves no purpose on the team he is always injured and any hope of him becoming Patrick Viera is ridiculous ... also this Jagielka guy I'm not sold on him.. !!
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Post by: Bourbon on July 29, 2011, 09:25:19 AM
How arsenal players does get injured so? Dasheen eh part of dey diet or wha?
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 29, 2011, 03:01:27 PM
Soccernet last 2 seasons:
Iniesta: 69 App.........10 goals.....14 assists
Xavi: 82 App..............9 goals.....27 assists
Cesc: 60 App............25 goals....28 assists

Pay the money Barca!
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Post by: Peong on July 29, 2011, 05:07:11 PM
Cesc Fabregas omitted from Arsenal's Emirates Cup side
Arsene Wenger has not selected his captain for the weekend's friendly tournament, citing the midfielder's injury and current "situation", which the Frenchman wants resolved (http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/england/2011/07/29/2596260/cesc-fabregas-omitted-from-arsenals-emirates-cup-side)
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Post by: grimm01 on July 30, 2011, 07:28:55 AM
How arsenal players does get injured so? Dasheen eh part of dey diet or wha?

maybe they need to examine the training regimen
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Post by: GunnerStunner on July 30, 2011, 10:45:23 AM
What is the score in d emirates cup games?
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Post by: GunnerStunner on July 30, 2011, 11:21:38 AM
Big steupse! 2 nil lead given up end 2-2 wtf same effin khaki pants
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 30, 2011, 05:11:41 PM
Why Squillaci does sh*t dong heself regular so? Yuh just never know what coming next wit dat clown. Djourou did crap too with the second Boca goal but in his case is more of a hard luck, although he shoulda trap the ball.

Arsenal really need a signing to push Squillaci down the depth chart.
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Post by: Bourbon on July 30, 2011, 05:34:57 PM
A brethrin show me dis...and I had to laugh.


http://goonerproblems.tumblr.com/


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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 30, 2011, 06:31:36 PM
A brethrin show me dis...and I had to laugh.


http://goonerproblems.tumblr.com/
:rotfl:
If yuh doh laugh yuh go cry oui!
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Post by: Ngozi on July 31, 2011, 06:00:45 AM
lol jeez
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Post by: GunnerStunner on July 31, 2011, 06:53:05 AM
Too funny, ps I always hated gunnersarus thought it was contrived and a poor choice
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Post by: giggsy11 on July 31, 2011, 09:57:20 AM
Question for Arseanl fans- Is Fabregas still an Arsenal player because?

a-Barca has not met Arsenal's asking price?
b-Arsenal do not want to sell him?
c-Barca has not officially made a bid?
d-Other

I ask because I don't understand why this continues to be a running saga for another off season.
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Post by: Ngozi on July 31, 2011, 11:18:52 AM
The moment they take off one of the stoppers and they try this bartley boy he score an own goal lol
I mean I understand that these youths want a chance but if they not up to it you simply have to buy... squillaci is absolute shit and this boy bartley just play for 5 minutes and score an own goal.
Think they should try Jenkinson in there he tall enough and he look a sound prospect.
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Post by: Ngozi on July 31, 2011, 11:26:07 AM
I like gervinho....
I think Vela is shit ... people only talking bout giving him a chance but the truth is he is soft and only plays well against soft teams ... he should be sold... pussy player.
Not sold on Ramsey his passing is suspect.
Loving the form of Rosicky ....he is wasted on the wings all that vision and touches have to be in the midfield.
Team missing Walcott.
As miuch as we would hate to think it Fab and Nasri are vital to this team.
No ones passing is close to Fab except Rosicky.
In terms of dribbling to create Nasri is out best.
Mata would be a nice addition.
Thought Gibbs looked good
Ebouie lol rubbish.
Wenger knows he needs a solid defender I expect him to get one!
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Post by: Bakes on July 31, 2011, 11:32:48 AM
The moment they take off one of the stoppers and they try this bartley boy he score an own goal lol
I mean I understand that these youths want a chance but if they not up to it you simply have to buy... squillaci is absolute shit and this boy bartley just play for 5 minutes and score an own goal.
Think they should try Jenkinson in there he tall enough and he look a sound prospect.

Taking nothing away from your larger point... but Bartley couldn't really do anything about that goal, that pass by Henry was all class.
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Post by: Ngozi on July 31, 2011, 12:03:24 PM
Yeah it was definitely a good ball ..... but still feel the kid got his positioning wrong .... just like djourou  yesterday and schillaci again (gawd he's such shit) my gawd we need just one more consistent defender... we've no sound defensive depth outside our main stoppers... truly depressing!
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Post by: elan on July 31, 2011, 12:24:45 PM
Arsenal 1-1 New York Red Bulls (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/938839/arsenal-1-1-new-york:-own-goal-costs-gunners?cc=5901)
Own goal costs Arsenal
July 31, 2011




Arsenal were booed by their own fans after letting another lead slip to surrender the Emirates Cup to New York Red Bulls.

The response of the 60,000 inside the Emirates Stadium did not bode well for the new season, with the Gunners doing nothing to prove they had cured the frailties which caused their supporters so much suffering last term.

As in Saturday's 2-2 draw with Boca Juniors, who they had led 2-0, Arsenal were unable to close out a game they had dominated, with substitute Kyle Bartley putting through his own net six minutes from time resulting in a 1-1 draw.

That was after Robin van Persie had put the tournament hosts on course for a fourth Emirates Cup success out of five when he nodded home shortly before half-time.

While defensive errors cost the Gunners against Boca, this time it was their all-too-familiar wastefulness in front of goal as they missed numerous chances to kill the game.

Manager Arsene Wenger retained only four of the starting XI who played 24 hours earlier and was clearly not prepared to take any chances with the quartet, withdrawing Jack Wilshere after just seven minutes after the midfielder picked up an slight ankle knock.

The Red Bulls made just four changes from the side which surprised Paris St Germain. One of the them was Thierry Henry, who was treated to a hero's welcome on his return to the Emirates.

The Gunners' all-time top scorer took just seven minutes to make an impact, screwing a low shot wide.

Arsenal were in control otherwise, although they were guilty of their perennial crime of trying to walk the ball in when a Carlos Mendes tackle denied Aaron Ramsey.

Wilshere's replacement Benik Afobe had slotted in well on the right and almost had a goal to celebrate when he brought down Bacary Sagna's cross and forced a sprawling save from Frank Rost.

Moments later, Rost produced an even better stop one-on-one with Ramsey, who had been wrongly flagged offside anyway.

After Henry's free-kick forced an acrobatic save from Wojciech Szczesny, Ramsey missed a glorious chance to put Arsenal ahead, blazing over after superb trickery from Van Persie caused chaos in the visitors' box.

The penalty area also witnessed what appeared to be a dive from Gunners new boy Gervinho, who went down far too easily when Chris Albright slid in from behind after gifting the ball to the Ivorian.

The Emirates was virtually full but those inside suggested they were not getting their money's worth by starting a Mexican wave shortly before the break.

They were on their feet for the right reasons three minutes before half-time, Tomas Rosicky's straight free-kick flighted perfectly for Van Persie to nod home past a stranded Rost.

Gervinho should have made it 2-0 moments later, bursting onto Rosicky's through-ball but shooting too close to the goalkeeper.

Van Persie also wasted another chance immediately after the restart, electing to square the ball when he should have shot.

He was then denied an easy finish by a brilliant sliding interception by former Barcelona defender Rafael Marquez after brilliant skill down the left by Afobe.

Van Persie and Gervinho combined to force another stop from Rost before they were replaced by Marouane Chamakh and Carlos Vela for the final 25 minutes.

Arsenal's habit of tossing away leads had resurfaced on Saturday and they were almost caught on the break today when Henry sent a trademark sidefoot effort too close to Szczesny.

And after a swathe of substitutions, they failed to heed the warning as the Red Bulls snatched an unlikely draw.

Henry was the inspiration, threading in substitute Juan Agudelo, and Agudelo's cross was turned into his own net by Bartley.
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Post by: jason23 on July 31, 2011, 06:23:32 PM
Ugh!! its very disappoint being a gunner fan.. and constantly seeing them!! choke!...even if its a friendly or pre-season match!! im totally! disappointed in there performance!!!.  the reason for this.. is wenger so called pet project......which has time and time again failed 2 produce..what is need 2b champions again!!!!. have moulded..arsenal into a global force during the 90's an early 2000's....with the invincibles<<*greatest team ever* based on...aggression..potency..and killer mentality!!.....he decided 2go the distance.. and fashion a team in his..own..image an likeness!!!! now i dont have a problem.. with his project..but. what he did..by mashing up the invincibles!! especially his noted Philosophy! of..not signing players over 30 has hurt him in the long haul! eg:Patrick Viera!.....one just has 2 look at the success manchester city..is having! and be dually noted the influence viera has on his teammates!........even doh i can go on an on.. about the pains of seein my great team arsenal.. fail.. so manytimes!! and 2b giving picong by!! shitlsea(chelsea) and man*bull* united fans..about how 2b great.. is pain enough!!!!......i truly believe and hope it comes true that this is the year! that the real Arsenal will stand up and be counted! cause with the talent we have now and always produces!! we can be the force we are known 2b again* which is ruthless&aggressive*! all we need 2 do is get rid of cecs and nasir!! and focus on jack and aaron! <<the real future of arsenal! and we good 2go!

heartfelt grumble of ah die hard Gunner4life!! fan!
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Post by: GunnerStunner on July 31, 2011, 10:35:44 PM
Same khaki pants! Its the same team plus gervinho, we aint sell no one we really should have! And still aint buy anyone we need! Wenger just chippin dong d road to his on beat talking abou wages and inflated prices etc, well guess what fakin sell d dead weight and you will see yuh could splash cash on the performers in the side. Like I said before no one worthy of lifting us higher wants to come to the club and no one is willing to pay for those who we will let go go

Season os already lost, please prove me wrong but we not winning shit, not with the same damn side we have
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Post by: GunnerStunner on August 01, 2011, 08:15:27 AM
Ok so just reviewed all the goals arsenal scored and conceeded this weekend

we score goals as quickly and effectively as most of the top teams


we ball watch from all areas when we dont have the ball, thats our issue on defense simple as that.

when we lose the ball we ball watch, we head or clear a ball out we ball watch, we dont track runs, on set pieces we ball watch

attack the farking kiss meh arse mooda cant ball! win it effin back!

i want vinnie jones on th ebench to cuss up these fecking men!


and riquleme big up frimpong n wilshire but more so frimpong! watch out hope he meets his expectations and exceeds it!
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Post by: Feliziano on August 01, 2011, 09:18:44 AM
aye Joey Barton available on a free, get him before Man U does
that could potentially be a good acquisition cause Arsenal still spineless
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Post by: DeSoWa on August 01, 2011, 10:15:41 AM
aye Joey Barton available on a free, get him before Man U does
that could potentially be a good acquisition cause Arsenal still spineless

No thank you!  :devil:

Big Up!
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Post by: Ngozi on August 01, 2011, 10:27:10 AM
aye Joey Barton available on a free, get him before Man U does
that could potentially be a good acquisition cause Arsenal still spineless

Yeah you could keep that!!
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Post by: GunnerStunner on August 01, 2011, 11:04:39 AM
well i think song and frimpong n jack have plenty spine each!

however the mix n match back 4 not getting a chance to gel!

squillachi needs to eff orf

mid needs to get between goal n ball

and the whole team hadda stop ball watching!

them lapses of concentration killing us!

even the own goal coulda been cleared off the line! before that cheesy shoulda do better on the touch line, it was an easy chip! before that the man thierry pass the ball to had an un checked run from behind thierry! ball watching!
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Post by: Ngozi on August 01, 2011, 11:19:14 AM
Arsenal Transfer News: Juan Mata Deal Collapses
 August 1st, 2011  Ted_Ashton
 


Arsenal Fail To Pay Release Fee
Arsenal’s attempts to sign Valencia winger Juan Mata are on the rocks after the Gunners failed to pay the amount in his release clause before it expired at midnight last night.

Spanish football journalist Guillem Balague announced on his Twitter feed this afternoon that the clubs had agreed the fee in Mata’s contract – said to be somewhere in the region of £20 million – but that the money did not arrive in Valencia’s bank account as they had demanded.

According to Balague, Arsenal didn’t want to pay without receiving money from the sale of Cesc Fabregas, a sale that has yet to be agreed. As a result a new release clause has kicked into Mata’s contract and if Arsenal want him now they will have to pay 60 million euro (£53 million).

Mata had already rejected overtures from both Spurs and Barcelona as he wanted to move to Arsenal.

The Spanish side have been in Lisbon for a friendly with Portugese side Sporting this weekend but reports from Portugal suggested that he cut a lonely figure during the trip, glued to his mobile much of the time. It is now clear that he aware of the problem and could end up staying at Valencia because of the size of the new release clause. Whether he does depends on whether Valencia choose to ignore the new clause and stick to the deal they had with Arsenal.

Alternatively, they could choose to keep the Spain international at the Mestalla.

Balague suggests that only a bid in excess of 30 million euro will now bring Mata to the Emirates and that there is now a likelihood he will sign a new deal with Valencia.

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Post by: GunnerStunner on August 01, 2011, 11:59:38 AM
these fackin tight wad board members!

i wonder if TTFF board members are related to the AFC board members?  :devil:
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Post by: JDB on August 01, 2011, 01:20:33 PM
Pennywise and pound foolish.

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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 01, 2011, 03:20:13 PM
Who say Arsenal was looking to sign Mata? Wenger already said "I like him but that doesn't mean I will sign him."

Honestly the only way I think they will go for Mata is if Fabregas goes, which not looking likely.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 01, 2011, 03:26:38 PM
I think it is a combination of a and b. Chairman Peter Hill-Wood said last week Barca made a bid they consider insulting earlier in the summer but that was the last Arsenal hear from them. He and Wenger have both said they don't want to sell him but if Barca make a big enough bid they will consider it. Very different from last season when the club issued a press release saying they rejected Barca's bid and told them they were not willing to negotiate at any price. So I guess they will sell him but only if their price is met, which Barca isn't close to yet.

Question for Arseanl fans- Is Fabregas still an Arsenal player because?

a-Barca has not met Arsenal's asking price?
b-Arsenal do not want to sell him?
c-Barca has not officially made a bid?
d-Other

I ask because I don't understand why this continues to be a running saga for another off season.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 01, 2011, 03:38:13 PM
Yeah it was definitely a good ball ..... but still feel the kid got his positioning wrong .... just like djourou  yesterday and schillaci again (gawd he's such shit) my gawd we need just one more consistent defender... we've no sound defensive depth outside our main stoppers... truly depressing!

Djourou I am willing to say is just out of form. Last season before he got injured he was excellent. He has spoken before about how he finds it hard to come back after an injury. You will get no argument from me about Squillaci. The man is toots.

Bartley was playing his first team debut and to be fair, Vermaelen scored an own goal in the same situation vs Chelsea on 09/10 season (when they drop 3 on us and he was defending a Cashley Cole cross with Drogba behind him). That is an almost impossible position to be put in. I sorry for the boy because I was hoping he would get a run out this season. On loan to Rangers last term he play some decent ball, and started against PSV, who isn't a joke team even if they not what they used to be, in the Europa League so he can't be all bad (there are clips of that performance on Youtube if you like).

My thing about the centre backs is we need 3 attributes. 1) Aerial ability, since Arsenal's weakness last season was defending high balls into the box, other than that they conceded the least goals from open play of any team in the league. 2) The mentality to just blast the ball into "Row Z" because all those jokey half clearances killing us. 3) Not necessarily a starting defender but someone to push Squillaci down the depth chart, because TV and LK have the ability, as does Djourou when he in form.
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Post by: giggsy11 on August 01, 2011, 03:56:37 PM
I think it is a combination of a and b. Chairman Peter Hill-Wood said last week Barca made a bid they consider insulting earlier in the summer but that was the last Arsenal hear from them. He and Wenger have both said they don't want to sell him but if Barca make a big enough bid they will consider it. Very different from last season when the club issued a press release saying they rejected Barca's bid and told them they were not willing to negotiate at any price. So I guess they will sell him but only if their price is met, which Barca isn't close to yet.

Question for Arseanl fans- Is Fabregas still an Arsenal player because?

a-Barca has not met Arsenal's asking price?
b-Arsenal do not want to sell him?
c-Barca has not officially made a bid?
d-Other

I ask because I don't understand why this continues to be a running saga for another off season.

Thanks :beermug:
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Post by: doc on August 01, 2011, 06:51:25 PM
well i think song and frimpong n jack have plenty spine each!

however the mix n match back 4 not getting a chance to gel!

squillachi needs to eff orf

mid needs to get between goal n ball

and the whole team hadda stop ball watching!

them lapses of concentration killing us!

even the own goal coulda been cleared off the line! before that cheesy shoulda do better on the touch line, it was an easy chip! before that the man thierry pass the ball to had an un checked run from behind thierry! ball watching!
Stunner the eternal pessimist.....Stop looking for dark clouds ;D ;D  I'm backing the Gunners to turn things around come what may!! That why the games are played.... Arsenal forward!!!
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Post by: dumpalewie on August 01, 2011, 07:09:54 PM
Pennywise and pound foolish.


Yuh mean.....Pound wise and silver foolish!
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Post by: dwn on August 01, 2011, 09:47:03 PM
My thing about the centre backs is we need 3 attributes. 1) Aerial ability, since Arsenal's weakness last season was defending high balls into the box, other than that they conceded the least goals from open play of any team in the league. 2) The mentality to just blast the ball into "Row Z" because all those jokey half clearances killing us. 3) Not necessarily a starting defender but someone to push Squillaci down the depth chart, because TV and LK have the ability, as does Djourou when he in form.

This is what killing Djourou in my opinion. Tries to be too neat in the back when he can just clear. He often talks about liking playing midfield and maybe you see it in the way he plays the ball out of the back.
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Post by: SOBRIQUET on August 02, 2011, 06:49:26 AM
Pennywise and pound foolish.


Yuh mean.....Pound wise and silver foolish!

Haha!!!!
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Post by: jason23 on August 02, 2011, 07:02:27 AM
“Nasri Has Told Wenger He Will Stay At Arsenal”
By Football Talk  Published: 1st August 2011

Samir Nasri has told Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger he will stay at the club for at least next season, according to Guillm Balague.

Nasri has been subject to intense speculation about his future this summer after he refused to sign a contract extension. Man City and Man Utd were both interested in the midfielder with a fee of £20m mooted. However, Arsene Wenger ruled out selling to a rival club and maintained Nasri would be forced to see out the remaining year on his contract despite the risk of losing a prized asset for nothing in a years time.

Reports resurfaced last week suggesting Nasri could still make a move this summer with some of Arsenal’s hierarchy looking to over-rule Wenger and accept City’s £20m offer. However, according to Balague, Nasri has now told Wenger he is happy to remain in North London for the coming season, and the Spanish journalist even suggested Nasri could be persuaded to sign a new contract if the Gunners have a good start to the season and a strong run in the Champions League.
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Post by: giggsy11 on August 02, 2011, 07:43:59 AM
My thing about the centre backs is we need 3 attributes. 1) Aerial ability, since Arsenal's weakness last season was defending high balls into the box, other than that they conceded the least goals from open play of any team in the league. 2) The mentality to just blast the ball into "Row Z" because all those jokey half clearances killing us. 3) Not necessarily a starting defender but someone to push Squillaci down the depth chart, because TV and LK have the ability, as does Djourou when he in form.

This is what killing Djourou in my opinion. Tries to be too neat in the back when he can just clear. He often talks about liking playing midfield and maybe you see it in the way he plays the ball out of the back.

Don't you think that is how they practise it on the Arsenal training ground? Play 'cultured' football instead what Arsene9 would consider 'loutish' kicking the ball away! I think the problem with some footballers today not just some Arsenal players is they don't take in consideration 'time, place and score'; which has led to poor decision making on the field.
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Post by: JDB on August 02, 2011, 08:30:37 AM
“Nasri Has Told Wenger He Will Stay At Arsenal”
By Football Talk  Published: 1st August 2011

Samir Nasri has told Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger he will stay at the club for at least next season, according to Guillm Balague.

Nasri has been subject to intense speculation about his future this summer after he refused to sign a contract extension. Man City and Man Utd were both interested in the midfielder with a fee of £20m mooted. However, Arsene Wenger ruled out selling to a rival club and maintained Nasri would be forced to see out the remaining year on his contract despite the risk of losing a prized asset for nothing in a years time.

Reports resurfaced last week suggesting Nasri could still make a move this summer with some of Arsenal’s hierarchy looking to over-rule Wenger and accept City’s £20m offer. However, according to Balague, Nasri has now told Wenger he is happy to remain in North London for the coming season, and the Spanish journalist even suggested Nasri could be persuaded to sign a new contract if the Gunners have a good start to the season and a strong run in the Champions League.

Stay for a season and move to United for free next year. Get a nice signing bonus and like yourself.

I much rather see that happen than seeing United spending 30M plus 200,000 + a week salary on Sneijder. Much rather give a younger, faster Nasri 125,000 – 150,000 a week with no transfer fee.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 02, 2011, 09:35:10 AM
“Nasri Has Told Wenger He Will Stay At Arsenal”
By Football Talk  Published: 1st August 2011

Samir Nasri has told Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger he will stay at the club for at least next season, according to Guillm Balague.

Nasri has been subject to intense speculation about his future this summer after he refused to sign a contract extension. Man City and Man Utd were both interested in the midfielder with a fee of £20m mooted. However, Arsene Wenger ruled out selling to a rival club and maintained Nasri would be forced to see out the remaining year on his contract despite the risk of losing a prized asset for nothing in a years time.

Reports resurfaced last week suggesting Nasri could still make a move this summer with some of Arsenal’s hierarchy looking to over-rule Wenger and accept City’s £20m offer. However, according to Balague, Nasri has now told Wenger he is happy to remain in North London for the coming season, and the Spanish journalist even suggested Nasri could be persuaded to sign a new contract if the Gunners have a good start to the season and a strong run in the Champions League.

Stay for a season and move to United for free next year. Get a nice signing bonus and like yourself.

I much rather see that happen than seeing United spending 30M plus 200,000 + a week salary on Sneijder. Much rather give a younger, faster Nasri 125,000 – 150,000 a week with no transfer fee.

Honestly, if Nasri goes to United, I think they are going to be very disappointed in his creative abilities from midfield. Especially as a replacement for Scholes as suggested.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 02, 2011, 02:39:52 PM
Some Arsenal Statistics:

Points won from losing positions: 2010-11 10, 2009-10 13, 2008-09 16, 2007-08 21, 2006-07 22, 2005-06 9, 2004-05 11, 2003-04 21

Points dropped from winning positions: 2010-11 13, 2009-10 15, 2008-09 14, 2007-08 14, 2006-07 6, 2005-06 5, 2004-05 15, 2003-04 10

Man Utd dropped 14 points from winning positions last season, which is one more than Arsenal did.

Anybody else think this indicates the problem isn't with the defence, but with the attack (which has been a suspicion of mine, although the defence could use some beefing up)?
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Post by: giggsy11 on August 02, 2011, 03:14:05 PM
Some Arsenal Statistics:

Points won from losing positions: 2010-11 10, 2009-10 13, 2008-09 16, 2007-08 21, 2006-07 22, 2005-06 9, 2004-05 11, 2003-04 21

Points dropped from winning positions: 2010-11 13, 2009-10 15, 2008-09 14, 2007-08 14, 2006-07 6, 2005-06 5, 2004-05 15, 2003-04 10

Man Utd dropped 14 points from winning positions last season, which is one more than Arsenal did.

Anybody else think this indicates the problem isn't with the defence, but with the attack (which has been a suspicion of mine, although the defence could use some beefing up)?

The difference is Arsenal's dropped points led to loss of games not draws. United had a lot of draws last year and less losses than Arsenal. United also won when they needed to whereas Arsenal were unable to hold leads to gain the points they needed, to win matches.
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Post by: Bitter on August 02, 2011, 03:17:56 PM

It's not an attack/defense thing, but I will agree that the attack has a lot to do with it. Oftentimes last season, I have commented during games that Arsenal needs to stop playing with their food. They are usually in complete control of a game on the field, but not on the scoreboard, and (much like this weekend with NY) they piss away chances until the opposition scores (usually a lucky goal or a set piece). I think this is why Wenger looks at attacking players more. He knows it's not enough to dominate, everybody can get scored on, but you need to be able to make your dominance count. I don't count preseason games much, after all, Van Persie spent most of his time trying to nutmeg a defender. Not exactly a focused effort.

One of the things this team does, that the invincibles era did not, is slow down their game. When Arsenal went down a goal in the Highbury days, they didn't change the attacking philosophy, it didn't become more direct, they just did it faster and faster so that the opponent was run ragged and then the killer blow was applied. This team likes to get into a lead and then coast. It's the coasting that's killing them, not the offence or defense.

Just my 2 cents.
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Post by: DeSoWa on August 02, 2011, 03:27:48 PM

It's not an attack/defense thing, but I will agree that the attack has a lot to do with it. Oftentimes last season, I have commented during games that Arsenal needs to stop playing with their food. They are usually in complete control of a game on the field, but not on the scoreboard, and (much like this weekend with NY) they piss away chances until the opposition scores (usually a lucky goal or a set piece). I think this is why Wenger looks at attacking players more. He knows it's not enough to dominate, everybody can get scored on, but you need to be able to make your dominance count. I don't count preseason games much, after all, Van Persie spent most of his time trying to nutmeg a defender. Not exactly a focused effort.

One of the things this team does, that the invincibles era did not, is slow down their game. When Arsenal went down a goal in the Highbury days, they didn't change the attacking philosophy, it didn't become more direct, they just did it faster and faster so that the opponent was run ragged and then the killer blow was applied. This team likes to get into a lead and then coast. It's the coasting that's killing them, not the offence or defense.

Just my 2 cents.

I think that's it, they missing that killer instinct, to finish a game. If you notice, MAN U never stops playing until the final whistle blow!

Big Up!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 02, 2011, 04:19:27 PM
Some Arsenal Statistics:

Points won from losing positions: 2010-11 10, 2009-10 13, 2008-09 16, 2007-08 21, 2006-07 22, 2005-06 9, 2004-05 11, 2003-04 21

Points dropped from winning positions: 2010-11 13, 2009-10 15, 2008-09 14, 2007-08 14, 2006-07 6, 2005-06 5, 2004-05 15, 2003-04 10

Man Utd dropped 14 points from winning positions last season, which is one more than Arsenal did.

Anybody else think this indicates the problem isn't with the defence, but with the attack (which has been a suspicion of mine, although the defence could use some beefing up)?

The difference is Arsenal's dropped points led to loss of games not draws. United had a lot of draws last year and less losses than Arsenal. United also won when they needed to whereas Arsenal were unable to hold leads to gain the points they needed, to win matches.

Don't think so. I think United were more able to come from a losing position to winning than Arsenal were. The points total and the fact that United won the league on points mean the loss vs draw factor doesn't really come into it. United were more able to turn 0 points into 1 or 3 than Arsenal were. They were able to score goals when needed while Arsenal's lack of attacking variation meant they couldn't really scrape goals. Just my view.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 02, 2011, 04:27:52 PM

It's not an attack/defense thing, but I will agree that the attack has a lot to do with it. Oftentimes last season, I have commented during games that Arsenal needs to stop playing with their food. They are usually in complete control of a game on the field, but not on the scoreboard, and (much like this weekend with NY) they piss away chances until the opposition scores (usually a lucky goal or a set piece). I think this is why Wenger looks at attacking players more. He knows it's not enough to dominate, everybody can get scored on, but you need to be able to make your dominance count. I don't count preseason games much, after all, Van Persie spent most of his time trying to nutmeg a defender. Not exactly a focused effort.

One of the things this team does, that the invincibles era did not, is slow down their game. When Arsenal went down a goal in the Highbury days, they didn't change the attacking philosophy, it didn't become more direct, they just did it faster and faster so that the opponent was run ragged and then the killer blow was applied. This team likes to get into a lead and then coast. It's the coasting that's killing them, not the offence or defense.

Just my 2 cents.
That's a valid point but it applies to the situation where they drop points from a winning position (I think dropping points sticks in the mind more), not where they concede first and then can't grind out a win, which is what I was referring to (Carling Cup final, 1-0 defeat to Newcastle, Loss to Stoke, Loss to Villa, defeats by Braga and Shakhtar in the Champions league group stage). The team was clearly coasting in the Red Bulls game after van Persie and Gervinho came off so I agree with you there though. But when they can't come from behind, that's definitely an attacking failure. And United did that very very effectively last season (Check when Rooney cuss up the camera). Like somebody once said, United doesn't lose games, they just run out of time.

But yeah, RvP was real making style in that game. All flicks and tricks and showboating. Wasn't nice to see from the team captain.
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Post by: dwn on August 02, 2011, 07:29:01 PM
My thing about the centre backs is we need 3 attributes. 1) Aerial ability, since Arsenal's weakness last season was defending high balls into the box, other than that they conceded the least goals from open play of any team in the league. 2) The mentality to just blast the ball into "Row Z" because all those jokey half clearances killing us. 3) Not necessarily a starting defender but someone to push Squillaci down the depth chart, because TV and LK have the ability, as does Djourou when he in form.

This is what killing Djourou in my opinion. Tries to be too neat in the back when he can just clear. He often talks about liking playing midfield and maybe you see it in the way he plays the ball out of the back.

Don't you think that is how they practise it on the Arsenal training ground? Play 'cultured' football instead what Arsene9 would consider 'loutish' kicking the ball away! I think the problem with some footballers today not just some Arsenal players is they don't take in consideration 'time, place and score'; which has led to poor decision making on the field.

Djourou need to be more loutish then. A lot of the mistakes he makes are due to trying to be too composed under pressure. He needs to watch some videos of Vidic.
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Post by: dumpalewie on August 02, 2011, 07:30:43 PM

It's not an attack/defense thing, but I will agree that the attack has a lot to do with it. Oftentimes last season, I have commented during games that Arsenal needs to stop playing with their food. They are usually in complete control of a game on the field, but not on the scoreboard, and (much like this weekend with NY) they piss away chances until the opposition scores (usually a lucky goal or a set piece). I think this is why Wenger looks at attacking players more. He knows it's not enough to dominate, everybody can get scored on, but you need to be able to make your dominance count. I don't count preseason games much, after all, Van Persie spent most of his time trying to nutmeg a defender. Not exactly a focused effort.

One of the things this team does, that the invincibles era did not, is slow down their game. When Arsenal went down a goal in the Highbury days, they didn't change the attacking philosophy, it didn't become more direct, they just did it faster and faster so that the opponent was run ragged and then the killer blow was applied. This team likes to get into a lead and then coast. It's the coasting that's killing them, not the offence or defense.

Just my 2 cents.
Very well said. The truth is if we put away half the chances we have and stop coasting we would be much better. They were clinical in 2 games for me last season and they had alternate results because of their mentality.

Newcastle they were clinical and got to 4-0 then their arrogance made them stop playing and they were punished for it. Chelsea they were up 3-0 but because they respected that Chelsea could still come back they kept vigilant to the end.

The big problem with this team is they need to be more "efficient" offensively and more mentally stable.
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Post by: dwn on August 02, 2011, 07:35:48 PM

It's not an attack/defense thing, but I will agree that the attack has a lot to do with it. Oftentimes last season, I have commented during games that Arsenal needs to stop playing with their food. They are usually in complete control of a game on the field, but not on the scoreboard, and (much like this weekend with NY) they piss away chances until the opposition scores (usually a lucky goal or a set piece). I think this is why Wenger looks at attacking players more. He knows it's not enough to dominate, everybody can get scored on, but you need to be able to make your dominance count. I don't count preseason games much, after all, Van Persie spent most of his time trying to nutmeg a defender. Not exactly a focused effort.

One of the things this team does, that the invincibles era did not, is slow down their game. When Arsenal went down a goal in the Highbury days, they didn't change the attacking philosophy, it didn't become more direct, they just did it faster and faster so that the opponent was run ragged and then the killer blow was applied. This team likes to get into a lead and then coast. It's the coasting that's killing them, not the offence or defense.

Just my 2 cents.
Very well said. The truth is if we put away half the chances we have and stop coasting we would be much better. They were clinical in 2 games for me last season and they had alternate results because of their mentality.

Newcastle they were clinical and got to 4-0 then their arrogance made them stop playing and they were punished for it. Chelsea they were up 3-0 but because they respected that Chelsea could still come back they kept vigilant to the end.

The big problem with this team is they need to be more "efficient" offensively and more mentally stable.

Fabregas makes the team a lot more efficient. They missed him last season. I also think Arshavin in the position behind the striker could make the team a bit more efficient. These guys know when to be direct and are a bit more decisive in their passing/attacking play. Just my opinion.
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Post by: giggsy11 on August 02, 2011, 08:29:16 PM
My thing about the centre backs is we need 3 attributes. 1) Aerial ability, since Arsenal's weakness last season was defending high balls into the box, other than that they conceded the least goals from open play of any team in the league. 2) The mentality to just blast the ball into "Row Z" because all those jokey half clearances killing us. 3) Not necessarily a starting defender but someone to push Squillaci down the depth chart, because TV and LK have the ability, as does Djourou when he in form.

This is what killing Djourou in my opinion. Tries to be too neat in the back when he can just clear. He often talks about liking playing midfield and maybe you see it in the way he plays the ball out of the back.

Don't you think that is how they practise it on the Arsenal training ground? Play 'cultured' football instead what Arsene9 would consider 'loutish' kicking the ball away! I think the problem with some footballers today not just some Arsenal players is they don't take in consideration 'time, place and score'; which has led to poor decision making on the field.

Djourou need to be more loutish then. A lot of the mistakes he makes are due to trying to be too composed under pressure. He needs to watch some videos of Vidic.

Funny that you use Vidic as an example, because sometimes I feel he boots the ball out of play when he had a play to pass it. But I guess he does that because he understands his limitations  which supports your point about Djourou.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 03, 2011, 06:36:08 AM
My thing about the centre backs is we need 3 attributes. 1) Aerial ability, since Arsenal's weakness last season was defending high balls into the box, other than that they conceded the least goals from open play of any team in the league. 2) The mentality to just blast the ball into "Row Z" because all those jokey half clearances killing us. 3) Not necessarily a starting defender but someone to push Squillaci down the depth chart, because TV and LK have the ability, as does Djourou when he in form.

This is what killing Djourou in my opinion. Tries to be too neat in the back when he can just clear. He often talks about liking playing midfield and maybe you see it in the way he plays the ball out of the back.

Don't you think that is how they practise it on the Arsenal training ground? Play 'cultured' football instead what Arsene9 would consider 'loutish' kicking the ball away! I think the problem with some footballers today not just some Arsenal players is they don't take in consideration 'time, place and score'; which has led to poor decision making on the field.

Djourou need to be more loutish then. A lot of the mistakes he makes are due to trying to be too composed under pressure. He needs to watch some videos of Vidic.

Funny that you use Vidic as an example, because sometimes I feel he boots the ball out of play when he had a play to pass it. But I guess he does that because he understands his limitations  which supports your point about Djourou.
Safety first.
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Post by: dwn on August 03, 2011, 09:09:15 AM
My thing about the centre backs is we need 3 attributes. 1) Aerial ability, since Arsenal's weakness last season was defending high balls into the box, other than that they conceded the least goals from open play of any team in the league. 2) The mentality to just blast the ball into "Row Z" because all those jokey half clearances killing us. 3) Not necessarily a starting defender but someone to push Squillaci down the depth chart, because TV and LK have the ability, as does Djourou when he in form.

This is what killing Djourou in my opinion. Tries to be too neat in the back when he can just clear. He often talks about liking playing midfield and maybe you see it in the way he plays the ball out of the back.

Don't you think that is how they practise it on the Arsenal training ground? Play 'cultured' football instead what Arsene9 would consider 'loutish' kicking the ball away! I think the problem with some footballers today not just some Arsenal players is they don't take in consideration 'time, place and score'; which has led to poor decision making on the field.

Djourou need to be more loutish then. A lot of the mistakes he makes are due to trying to be too composed under pressure. He needs to watch some videos of Vidic.

Funny that you use Vidic as an example, because sometimes I feel he boots the ball out of play when he had a play to pass it. But I guess he does that because he understands his limitations  which supports your point about Djourou.

Clearing the ball too often vs dallying on the ball too often. As a defender you're probably better off doing the former.
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Post by: DeSoWa on August 03, 2011, 04:56:44 PM
So it looks like Emmanuel Eboué is gone (one of the few hard men we have)  ???

Big Up!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 03, 2011, 08:24:28 PM
So it looks like Emmanuel Eboué is gone (one of the few hard men we have)  ???

Big Up!
I like Eboue, a real fan favorite and he bounced back so well from that disgraceful booing against Wigan, but I dunno how much I will miss him as a footballer. He had so much potential but he will never be what he could have been now. Remember the 2006 season? He run Real Madrid ragged. Men on this forum were asking who the hell is Arsenal new right back? He had Ronaldinho on lockdown in the CL Final. And his SPECTACULAR dive won us the free kick when Arsenal scored its goal in that game (back when Arsenal could score off set pieces). I watched some of those games a few weeks ago and all I remember thinking is "wtf happened to Eboue?".  A real shame as he is a decent backup despite his inconsistency and errors but this season is no time for sentiment. Do or die for Wenger.

Good luck Manu, sorry it didn't work out.
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Post by: Touches on August 04, 2011, 09:49:32 AM
Source?...where he gone to and how much we get for him?

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Post by: GunnerStunner on August 04, 2011, 12:34:29 PM
Nuttin on d club site so its talk fuh now
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Post by: Ngozi on August 04, 2011, 12:40:12 PM
This man just like all them english papers ..... creating all kinda rumours with nothing to back it up.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: DeSoWa on August 04, 2011, 03:53:47 PM
I follow a lot of Arsenal news and most of them is good source...it eh bound to happen, but discussions are taking place between the 2 clubs.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard-sport/football/article-23975684-cesc-fabregas-and-samir-nasri-stilll-in-the-arsenal-picture.do

Big Up!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 05, 2011, 05:04:04 AM
So Barca still effin around and cesc is sulkin around
Nasri effin around and wenger too as he considers close to 20mil for nasri, good money but not when you become a feeder club to a team who finished above you and will be competition in ALL silverware arsenal is challenging for.
And with seemingly no end to the CB gaps being filled we quite possibly will have two giant holes to be filled, that wenger will undoubtedly try to fill with yutes!
And to add insult to injury we have to face udinese in the champions league play off.
The club and more so the players have themselves to blame, yet they all want to run off and look for a prettier gf dressed in silver
But I'm  not angry yet, wait till Sept 1 then I will be cussing because we'd have started the league played some champs and regardless of results or transfers will reserve me right to chant "f**k off now wenger!"
God damn shameful

 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: mukumsplau on August 05, 2011, 07:17:25 AM
hmm udinese are a tuff side..they come at you with all guns blazing...fast and full of technique...underestimate them at your own peril..guidolin plays very exciting and effective football....watch out for di natale, armero, kwadwo asamoah (big big big midfielder), isla...even without sanchez and inler the unit operates very well...forza udinese!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Touches on August 05, 2011, 08:37:05 AM
Steupsss....is dem and Rubin Kazan I didn't want to match up with. I coulda handle any of the other teams.

But yuh know what..we look for 4kin that.

We will also end up nasri, cesc and defenderless until January.

Even though we didnt win nuttin for the past 6 yrs...there was a glimmer of hope, some kinda expectation, at least belief we could win something.

This season...4th place lookin like we will be punching above our weight.

Van Persie cyar last 3 games in a stretch without something happening...we need a back up striker to score a 12-16 goals. VP has to be a 20 goal man.

All it takes is one injury in the back and we down to the kosielny/squillaci clown duo.

One injury to schzeny and is Almunia or Flappy Handski.

Oh well...say wha. 6yrs and nuttin...a 7th ent go make a difference.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 05, 2011, 09:55:42 AM
So Udinese. And RvP and Nasri will be suspended for the first leg. They like to get men behind the ball and counterattack at pace = Arsenal Kryptonite.

Who is their holding midfielder now Inler gone? Cesc/Rambo going to have to blow up on de man.

Le Collapse really costing us boy! Newcastle (A), Udinese (H), Liverpool (H), Udinese (A), Man U (A) in 15 days? Talk about a running start!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 05, 2011, 10:35:15 AM
And Wenger will be serving a touchline ban for the first leg too.

F**k you Massimo Busacca!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 05, 2011, 11:23:22 AM
On the bright side??? Its only August???
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 05, 2011, 11:26:28 AM
BTW just once I want to see the arsenal fans protest. Don't go to a game. Chant for change. It really isn't good enough. The board just act like manning and say we know we know we know, we know what we doing don't worry your silly little heads
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 05, 2011, 11:33:07 AM
BTW just once I want to see the arsenal fans protest. Don't go to a game. Chant for change. It really isn't good enough. The board just act like manning and say we know we know we know, we know what we doing don't worry your silly little heads

What was the booing at a friendly and the "Spend some f*cking money" chant at the end of last season?Oh Lord! Stunner, you love to panic eh!

We have some tough times to face but no use running around bawling "The sky is falling".
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on August 06, 2011, 08:43:25 AM
Are Barcelona Making a Mockery of Cesc Fabregas?  bleacherreport  ... good reading
By Ryan Kusy(Contributor) on August 5, 2011 734 reads


Use your ← → (arrow) keys to browse more storiesNext Fabregas goodbye?
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What seems to be the one of the longest running transfer sagas in history, is now slowly inching towards a close, or so we've been told. The Fabregas and Barcelona love affair has gone on long enough.

For what seems like forever, Barcelona and seemingly every one of their players, president, sporting director, coaches and even local politicians have pleaded for Cesc to jump ship on Arsenal.

To Fab's credit, he has acted like professional considering his situation. One must consider that he is being courted by arguably the best club in the history of football. Joining the likes of Messi, Xavi, David Villa, Iniesta among numerous other international players, is an opportunity that very few footballers would ever pass up.

Barcelona can practically guarantee players success year after year. Furthermore, he was also a product of their famed youth academy, La Masia, and all of this before you can recall that he was born in Spain, and it is there that his family resides.

More so, he's on the Spanish national team that includes roughly 12 players from Barcelona, including best friends Gerard Pique and Carlos Puyol, which caused some problems during the World Cup in 2010, and International breaks.

However despite all of this, Fabregas has never come out and stated he will quit Arsenal to force through a move, nor has he "gone on strike" as we have seen countless players resort to as a last-ditch effort.

Fabregas doesn't use his twitter to complain about still being in Arsenal players either, which a lesson Joey Barton could use.

But in the end, no one can fault him for having a love for Barcelona, he has so many ties to the club, that Arsenal fans knew it was just a matter of time before Barcelona came calling for their former youth star.

When fans see how Carlos Tevez has quit on Man City or Alex Sanchez on Udinese or Javier Pastore on Palermo, it's a bit of relief to see there are still professionals in this game when it comes to Fabregas' behavior.

Sure, granted his head has been turned by the Spanish Giants, whose wouldn't be? But in the whole scheme of things, he has been a true professional and shown the utmost respect to Arsenal and their fans.

However the respect Barcelona have showed Fabregas, and more importantly Arsenal, has been quite the opposite, and borderline disgraceful.

Barcelona are one of the richest clubs in the world. Granted they are hundreds of millions of euros in debt, but they generate one of the highest profit revenues in the world of sports.

They have spent an exorbitant amount of money on players in the past, but when it has come to Fabregas, the money has seemingly gone missing.

When Barcelona have thrown money around on players like, David Villa - £32 million, Alexis Sanchez- £24.2 million (with bonuses to be added on), Javier Mascherano- £22 milion, Alex Hleb- £17 million, Theirry Henry- £24 million, they clearly don't have a problem forking out the cash to land a player they are interested in.

Many times, Barcelona have been more than willing to meet the buy-out clause or club valuation of a player in order to land them as well.

Arsenal's evaluation, originally estimated around £50 million to £60 million, has dropped down to an even £40 million. Which in many fans' eyes, is much lower than what they value the club's captain.

He has lit up the Premier League at times during the years at Arsenal, despite a nagging hamstring injury, and has notched over 10 assists in the past 3 seasons.


How much is Fabregas worth?
 Less than £30 million
 £30 to £40 million
 £40 to £50 million
 Greater than £50 million
Submit Vote vote to see results   How much is Fabregas worth?
Less than £30 million
3.8%
£30 to £40 million
16.3%
£40 to £50 million
42.5%
Greater than £50 million
37.5%
Total votes: 160
 
Barcelona have come in with a far less evaluation of the player with a first bid of somewhere near £29.2 million, which was immediately turned down by the Arsenal board.

Further bids discussed of £31.1 million and £33.2 million were also rejected by the board, who with the backing of majority share holder Stan Kroenke, have been told not to budge with their negotiations.

Barcelona have now reportedly come in with the "big" offer that will bring Fab back home of...£35 million.

Disgraceful and still well short of Arsenal's asking price, the bid was rejected without thought, and it was reported that Arsenal representatives left the meeting immediately, disgusted with Barcelona's lack respect to the club.

However, it is not so much the unsuccessful bids that have infuriated Arsenal and the board, it's how Barcelona wanted to pay the fee that is the breaking point.

Barcelona claim to only be able to pay £10 million this year, with the rest to be paid in installments, and £5 million in bonus related incentives.

As well as the fact that Barcelona seem in no hurry to conclude the transfer saga that is rapidly ruining Arsenal's season before it has even started.

The need to reinvest the money received from the Fabregas transfer would be more than ever for the club after losing not only their team captain, but also their talismanic player and £10 million up front is not nearly enough.

Fabregas has been put in quite the unfortunate situation of this long-running transfer saga. The inability for Barcelona to either pay up and go away, has portrayed Fabregas in the wrong light.

The teasing from Barcelona players that say they would "love to have him," or he has "Barcelona DNA," is unsettling for him, yet the club refuse to show the same level action they speak of.


 
How much longer will Fab be training with Arsenal?
Tom Dulat/Getty Images On a more personal level, Barcelona's players to club president have spoken of the class Fabregas has undoubtedly has, yet the fail to want to pay for such class.

They have asked him to a pay cut of more than £1.6 million per year over the length of his contract. Which would reduce his wages to roughly £3 million a year.

Whereas, Arsenal have offered him a two-year extension on his deal to raise his wages to £7 million per annum.

Great players get paid less when switching clubs? Since when?

They have also suggested Fabregas pay £4 million out of his own pocket to help finance the transfer cost and go on strike until the deal has been completed.

Just to recap now. They want Fabregas to take a wage cut AND finance his transfer to Barcelona...

Similar to last summer, Fabregas isn't even a high priority to Barcelona. They buy their top targets first, then it's time to focus on Fab. They view his transfer as a matter of time.

They put little respect into their negotiations with Arsenal, and they fail to realize the more public they make their dealings with Arsenal, the less chances Arsenal will sell Fabregas to them, regardless if they meet their asking price.

Barcelona have in many instances put Arsenal in a no-win situation. Arsenal are either left with an unhappy captain and key player, or they are left with a pile of cash, and little time left to reinvest the money.

Barcelona are managing to disrupt everything Wenger has been working on for years now by slowly, but surely, tearing a hole in the heart of Arsenal.

Barcelona talk of respect for Arsenal, and their love for Fabregas, yet they failed to show either of those traits in their pursuit of the Spaniard. Barcelona show all the class in the world on the pitch, but they truly lack any off it.

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Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: dinho on August 06, 2011, 08:47:14 AM
I personally don't understand the fixation with Fabregas when they have a youth like Thiago waiting in the wings. What does signing Fabregas say to him?

Not even sure where Fabregas fits into their plans, because no way he starting over Xavi or Iniesta unless they shunt Iniesta out to the left where they just bought Sanchez for.

At best he is a succession plan for Xavi.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: giggsy11 on August 06, 2011, 08:54:19 AM
Barca needs tuh shite or get off the possie!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 06, 2011, 01:11:00 PM
After reading that article it has solidified my view on the spanish footballing giants

They play great fantastic ball but their gamesmanship reeks of a low class mentality

All the money they throw around revenue they earn they are still nostrils deep in a cespit of debt yet they want fabregas for nothing and using disruptive psycological tactics to spite arsenal if they don't hand over cesc, barca you my friends are the kidnappers. You have kidnapped our season before it has started

I love cesc. I hope they pay so he can follow his heart. But I want barca to fall on their f**king face after and win nothing

I fear I may have root for c**tiano ronaldo and his lily white fagalacticos in la liga this season
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 06, 2011, 02:14:19 PM
watching the friendly v benfica

we walked the first half, rvp goal late

then two in 15min from start of second and its 2-1 now

guess friggin who effed up for the second?

yup thats right cygan half brother squillachi mudda cyant
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on August 06, 2011, 02:36:22 PM
Schillaci  ..... we simply need to get one more defender so he could never see the pitch ever again in life!!!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 06, 2011, 03:10:14 PM
Didn't watch the game but you'll get no argument from me there!

I hear it was TV and Gibbs fault on the first one?

Schillaci  ..... we simply need to get one more defender so he could never see the pitch ever again in life!!!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on August 06, 2011, 04:01:52 PM
watching the friendly v benfica

we walked the first half, rvp goal late

then two in 15min from start of second and its 2-1 now

guess friggin who effed up for the second?

yup thats right cygan half brother squillachi mudda cyant

Ey I watch he highlights and we acknowledge that the man is shit but how you go call the man out like that when both Gibbs and Vermalean was outplayed in their parts in the first goal too  .... Call it as yuh see it!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 06, 2011, 04:07:29 PM
I omitted them because they aren't involved in or are the reason we concede a goal in every kiss meh arse game they play 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on August 06, 2011, 04:33:47 PM
I omitted them because they aren't involved in or are the reason we concede a goal in every kiss meh arse game they play 

Well they were today and every f**k up counts till we get better defensively  .... mentally and defensively we are looking out of our depths to start the season.
That might actually had been Traore and not Gibbs who was caught out!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: dwn on August 06, 2011, 04:55:23 PM
I am very impressed by Frimpong, and I think of all the young players he is the only one who looks like he can make the step up into the first team. Jenkinson isn't too bad either but he's been less convincing. Expected more from Miyaichi after all the reviews but from what I've seen he looks more like a player that should be sent out on loan, than one who is pushing for the first team.

When you study that this was an Arsenal team without Nasri, Fabregas, Wilshere, Walcott and Koscielny ... things are not that bad. The second half was the Carling Cup team playing against seasoned internationals. That said, if Vermaelen or Gibbs gets injured, Arsenal are in trouble. I'm not even convinced that Gibbs is ready to be the starting LB yet, but I'm convinced that Traore is shaky. And without Vermaelen, we are exactly where we were last season. Depth in those two positions are lacking.

I do expect Wenger to bring in a defender before the window closes though.

[EDIT] Regarding the second goal, Squillaci eat a beat. Every defender is get leave out now and then. How come no one blaming Fabianski for getting beaten on his near post from a shot outside the area? Squillaci is usually the goat but today I will defend the guy. He had a decent 45 minutes.

This doesn't change the fact that I would still like to see him replaced. Lol.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on August 06, 2011, 07:49:46 PM
Theoretically we have brought in Myachi.. misspelt sorry, Gervinho, Vermalean, Frimpong, Traore ... 5 new players ... but I think we need just one more defender ..... a solid one offensively we always miss walcott ... more than any other attacker barring RVP.
I watched this Mata guy today and wasn't completely impressed to be honest if we were to get the one defender and Mata and sell Nasri and keep Cesc for one more season I think that would be good business.
This may sound crazy but I've made two observations ..... one I really like Rosicky in that role that Cesc plays in themiddle this season I've seen no one play it as well... and two to win this league you dont only need silled players but mentally tough ones as well which leads me t believe that at some point both Frimpong and Song have to be starting at the same time in the midfield with maybe Wilshire playing that attacking role!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 06, 2011, 08:14:22 PM
On your last point. Arsenal like to start quick and if we can build a lead putting a double pivot of Song and Frimpong with Jack in front would not only give both a stable platform to build on but would give great exposure to Frimpong. It would also help us close out games more safely.

Theoretically we have brought in Myachi.. misspelt sorry, Gervinho, Vermalean, Frimpong, Traore ... 5 new players ... but I think we need just one more defender ..... a solid one offensively we always miss walcott ... more than any other attacker barring RVP.
I watched this Mata guy today and wasn't completely impressed to be honest if we were to get the one defender and Mata and sell Nasri and keep Cesc for one more season I think that would be good business.
This may sound crazy but I've made two observations ..... one I really like Rosicky in that role that Cesc plays in themiddle this season I've seen no one play it as well... and two to win this league you dont only need silled players but mentally tough ones as well which leads me t believe that at some point both Frimpong and Song have to be starting at the same time in the midfield with maybe Wilshire playing that attacking role!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on August 06, 2011, 08:27:47 PM
Seriously I dont see what others see in Mata YET! he has potential but he is yet another diamond that needs polishing.
Kagawa &  Gotze from Dortmund are both better and Gotze is 19. Also a central defender worth breaking the bank for is Hummels also from Dortmund.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on August 06, 2011, 08:33:45 PM
Seriously I dont see what others see in Mata YET! he has potential but he is yet another diamond that needs polishing.
Kagawa &  Gotze from Dortmund are both better and Gotze is 19. Also a central defender worth breaking the bank for is Hummels also from Dortmund.

I'll be honest with you the baddest thing I've seen this preseason is "Thiago" from Barca ... which begs the question why the continued obsession with Cesc?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bakes on August 06, 2011, 09:00:40 PM
Seriously I dont see what others see in Mata YET! he has potential but he is yet another diamond that needs polishing.
Kagawa &  Gotze from Dortmund are both better and Gotze is 19. Also a central defender worth breaking the bank for is Hummels also from Dortmund.

Gotze is the real deal... somebody go have to real break de bank in order to pry he from Dortmund.  Fella have real pace, excellent touches and is already a clinical finisher at 19 as yuh say.

I was watching Mata today vs. Liverpool and didn't really see anything special, but can't base anything off one preseason game and haven't really watched Valencia in a while so not really familiar with his game.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: dwn on August 06, 2011, 09:22:46 PM
Theoretically we have brought in Myachi.. misspelt sorry, Gervinho, Vermalean, Frimpong, Traore ... 5 new players ... but I think we need just one more defender ..... a solid one offensively we always miss walcott ... more than any other attacker barring RVP.
I watched this Mata guy today and wasn't completely impressed to be honest if we were to get the one defender and Mata and sell Nasri and keep Cesc for one more season I think that would be good business.
This may sound crazy but I've made two observations ..... one I really like Rosicky in that role that Cesc plays in themiddle this season I've seen no one play it as well... and two to win this league you dont only need silled players but mentally tough ones as well which leads me t believe that at some point both Frimpong and Song have to be starting at the same time in the midfield with maybe Wilshire playing that attacking role!!!

Miyachi and Traore still have a lot to prove. Frimpong and Gervinho even. Out of those 5 players I would say we have one we know we can rely on, two who have impressed in (meaningless) preseason games and look capable, and two young players who are hit or miss. With Traore, all signs point to miss. With Miyaichi, I think he just needs more time to develop. But more transfers will arrive. I think at least two. But they will happen when sales are made. Once the Bendtner, Almunia, Eboue deals are sorted, then I think we can look forward to more signings. Just my guess, 3 weeks to go before the close of the transfer window.

Oh, I can't wait to see Walcott on one flank and Gervinho on the other. Their pace is going to destroy teams.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on August 07, 2011, 09:05:50 AM
Forget buying players arsenal need to feed dem dam players some Dumpling, Blue food and drink some susumba.

three players injured in an exhibition game WTF!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on August 07, 2011, 09:44:52 AM
Forget buying players arsenal need to feed dem dam players some Dumpling, Blue food and drink some susumba.

three players injured in an exhibition game WTF!
Ent ... ridiculous!!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 08, 2011, 06:38:23 AM
Go to goal.com there are a couple of articles on the upcoming season. One is written by a fan pretty good articles.
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2011/08/08/2601036/arsenal-fanview-the-club-really-dont-get-the-fans-or-our (http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2011/08/08/2601036/arsenal-fanview-the-club-really-dont-get-the-fans-or-our)

good lil read
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 08, 2011, 08:24:15 AM
ARSENAL FC day care center is accpeting another kid

Alex Oxlaide-Chamberlain arrived at the club’s London Colney headquarters this afternoon, where he will complete the formalities of a medical before putting his name to a long-term contract, believed to be of five years.

Arsenal and Southampton have reached agreement on a £12m structured package, which will include an initial payment of £6.5m and then a further £5.5m of performance-related add-ons.

Barring any last-minute hitches, Oxlade-Chamberlain will complete a move to Emirates Stadium within the next 24 hours and bring to an end a six-month saga.

As revealed by Goal.com in January, the 17-year-old, who turns 18 a week today, was close to sealing a move to Arsenal in the last window but the deal fell through following a last-minute intervention from Sir Alex Ferguson, who advised the England Under-21 international’s camp that he should stay at St Mary’s Stadium for the remainder of the season.
CVNT! Sometimes i wish wenger would play these cloak and fecking dagger games and eff up fergies dealings, between him n 'appy 'arry redc**tnap i dont know which has effed up more of our deals.

Oxlade-Chamberlain visited Arsenal’s training ground in January and set his sights on a move to north London because he believes he will get more opportunities in the medium and short term. The two Manchester clubs and Liverpool all made concerted moves to sign the youngster but he had his heart set on playing for Arsene Wenger’s team.

Oxlade-Chamberlain and his father, Mark, both went public in their desire to speed up the move from Southampton, who were promoted to the Championship last season, but the Saints were in no rush to sell their prize asset.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 08, 2011, 09:55:04 AM
Don't think we should really be too upset about Wenger signing another youth, especially one the club has been following for at least a year. Yes we need proven players (esp. a defender) but that doh mean we should abandon signing promising young players.

ARSENAL FC day care center is accpeting another kid

Alex Oxlaide-Chamberlain arrived at the club’s London Colney headquarters this afternoon, where he will complete the formalities of a medical before putting his name to a long-term contract, believed to be of five years.

Arsenal and Southampton have reached agreement on a £12m structured package, which will include an initial payment of £6.5m and then a further £5.5m of performance-related add-ons.

Barring any last-minute hitches, Oxlade-Chamberlain will complete a move to Emirates Stadium within the next 24 hours and bring to an end a six-month saga.

As revealed by Goal.com in January, the 17-year-old, who turns 18 a week today, was close to sealing a move to Arsenal in the last window but the deal fell through following a last-minute intervention from Sir Alex Ferguson, who advised the England Under-21 international’s camp that he should stay at St Mary’s Stadium for the remainder of the season.
CVNT! Sometimes i wish wenger would play these cloak and fecking dagger games and eff up fergies dealings, between him n 'appy 'arry redc**tnap i dont know which has effed up more of our deals.

Oxlade-Chamberlain visited Arsenal’s training ground in January and set his sights on a move to north London because he believes he will get more opportunities in the medium and short term. The two Manchester clubs and Liverpool all made concerted moves to sign the youngster but he had his heart set on playing for Arsene Wenger’s team.

Oxlade-Chamberlain and his father, Mark, both went public in their desire to speed up the move from Southampton, who were promoted to the Championship last season, but the Saints were in no rush to sell their prize asset.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on August 08, 2011, 11:33:36 AM
ARSENAL FC day care center is accpeting another kid

Alex Oxlaide-Chamberlain arrived at the club’s London Colney headquarters this afternoon, where he will complete the formalities of a medical before putting his name to a long-term contract, believed to be of five years.

Arsenal and Southampton have reached agreement on a £12m structured package, which will include an initial payment of £6.5m and then a further £5.5m of performance-related add-ons.

Barring any last-minute hitches, Oxlade-Chamberlain will complete a move to Emirates Stadium within the next 24 hours and bring to an end a six-month saga.

As revealed by Goal.com in January, the 17-year-old, who turns 18 a week today, was close to sealing a move to Arsenal in the last window but the deal fell through following a last-minute intervention from Sir Alex Ferguson, who advised the England Under-21 international’s camp that he should stay at St Mary’s Stadium for the remainder of the season.
CVNT! Sometimes i wish wenger would play these cloak and fecking dagger games and eff up fergies dealings, between him n 'appy 'arry redc**tnap i dont know which has effed up more of our deals.

Oxlade-Chamberlain visited Arsenal’s training ground in January and set his sights on a move to north London because he believes he will get more opportunities in the medium and short term. The two Manchester clubs and Liverpool all made concerted moves to sign the youngster but he had his heart set on playing for Arsene Wenger’s team.

Oxlade-Chamberlain and his father, Mark, both went public in their desire to speed up the move from Southampton, who were promoted to the Championship last season, but the Saints were in no rush to sell their prize asset.


I think it's a good buy it's just highlighted because we obviously need to strengthen in the defence... I don't wanna sound vindictive about Gibbs but if he loses his place he has no one to blame but himself ... because of clichy's loss he now has that spot for himself and he gets injured again...... he had the time to get himself stroinger or healthier he is simply too damn weak .... he's as frustrating as van persie.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Touches on August 08, 2011, 12:45:11 PM
This youth any good?

He coming into the team like Wilshire or is he a reserve and corbeaux sweat champion.

When yuh getting big players like Nzogbia and Adam for less than 10 mil tried and proven and going straight into a squad...then we have a youth who is just "potential". I ent know but I fed up of these "unfinished products"

one for the future maybe...but I want a defender and a fwd now.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: fari on August 08, 2011, 12:59:10 PM
some saints fan saying that he is the best thing they had since le tissier :o   i ent know if that is true since all i have to go on is youtube but he looks quality and he represented england at u-21 (and under 17 and 18 i think)  imho he looks more ready than walcott was at this stage, besides pace he have tricks and he could finish.   on arsenal .com it say he going into 1st team.  i am excited about this signing, just waiting to see if we get at least 2 defenders.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Touches on August 08, 2011, 01:19:05 PM
Question...in recent history...besides Ashley Cole and Thierry Henry, who has left Arsenal and done "well"

There are plenty to add to the list but to me once you leave arsenal seeking green pastures it doh usually work out for you. You might get a sweat and extend yuh career..but to me I think Wenger usually lets you go at the right time.

1) Lassana Diara..went portmouth,chelsea, real..only at real he made an impact.

2) David Bently...good for rovers and salt

3) Francis Jeffers..nuttin

4) Jeremy Aliadiere..where he gone

5) Flamini...sub bench at AC Milan

6) Viera win ting with Inter but was on the decline

7) Reyes...alyuh hear from he since

8)Van Bronkhorst...win ting with Barca (he do good)

9)Henry win a CL with Barca

10)Ashley Cole...the best of the lot, win premiership, FA Cup

11) Pires...floundering around

12) Hleb...shit at barca..downhill at birmingham

13) Toure...banned substance in Man C and suspended

14) Kanu...win a FA cup with portsmouth and ketch a length in he ole age and a heart attack as well.

15) Wiltord..???

16) Sol Campbell...gorn tru...tabanca mash him up

17) Gallas...trying a ting at Spurs doing fairly ok. But won nuttin.

18) Gilberto Silva...???

19) Adebayor...can't find a place to call home.

20) Clichy...now too too down heself Sunday in the Carity Shield

21) Cesc...looking to sell house, take pay cut to warm bench with Barca.

22) Nasri..1/2 a good season and feel he in ting...to go Man city and bench or ManU...hrm.

Is it me or does the Arsenal Blight follow you when you leave...very few have done well once leaving Arsenal.

Cesc and Nasri should take note.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 08, 2011, 01:27:13 PM
This youth any good?

He coming into the team like Wilshire or is he a reserve and corbeaux sweat champion.

When yuh getting big players like Nzogbia and Adam for less than 10 mil tried and proven and going straight into a squad...then we have a youth who is just "potential". I ent know but I fed up of these "unfinished products"

one for the future maybe...but I want a defender and a fwd now.

The fee is all rumour. This morning I read 3 stories in 3 "reputable" English mewspapers that called 3 different transfer fees. 10, 12 and 15. Arsenal.com say "an undisclosed sum"

Adam is not a big player. He is decent. Not even fit enough to play a fuill game anyway. Maybe N'zogbia but ask yourself why nobody willing to spend more than that on him?

Look Man U now pay 17 million on Phil Jones, an unproven youth international. Nobody complaining about that.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Andre on August 08, 2011, 01:32:31 PM
arsenal is a selling team. they books balance but they go be lucky to make top 4 this yr.

4) Jeremy Aliadiere..come on as a sub for fc lorient vs. psg saturdat

7) Reyes...doing alright at atletico madrid
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 08, 2011, 01:34:54 PM
Cashley has actually won more trophies with Arsenal than with Chelsea.

Cesc go bench is true and now they saying this youth Thiago is the next big thing. I feel he staying this season and then when he go to Barca he go have to fight up with Thiago for that spot. (Honestly people who say Thiago is better than Cesc does make me laugh but no matter)

Nasri need to realise he is not a #10. He is a tricky winger and Man U full of them already. He go struggle there. At City too, with Johnson and so on.

Anyway, if men want to leave then let them. For the right price.

Question...in recent history...besides Ashley Cole and Thierry Henry, who has left Arsenal and done "well"

There are plenty to add to the list but to me once you leave arsenal seeking green pastures it doh usually work out for you. You might get a sweat and extend yuh career..but to me I think Wenger usually lets you go at the right time.

1) Lassana Diara..went portmouth,chelsea, real..only at real he made an impact.

2) David Bently...good for rovers and salt

3) Francis Jeffers..nuttin

4) Jeremy Aliadiere..where he gone

5) Flamini...sub bench at AC Milan

6) Viera win ting with Inter but was on the decline

7) Reyes...alyuh hear from he since

8)Van Bronkhorst...win ting with Barca (he do good)

9)Henry win a CL with Barca

10)Ashley Cole...the best of the lot, win premiership, FA Cup

11) Pires...floundering around

12) Hleb...shit at barca..downhill at birmingham

13) Toure...banned substance in Man C and suspended

14) Kanu...win a FA cup with portsmouth and ketch a length in he ole age and a heart attack as well.

15) Wiltord..???

16) Sol Campbell...gorn tru...tabanca mash him up

17) Gallas...trying a ting at Spurs doing fairly ok. But won nuttin.

18) Gilberto Silva...???

19) Adebayor...can't find a place to call home.

20) Clichy...now too too down heself Sunday in the Carity Shield

21) Cesc...looking to sell house, take pay cut to warm bench with Barca.

22) Nasri..1/2 a good season and feel he in ting...to go Man city and bench or ManU...hrm.

Is it me or does the Arsenal Blight follow you when you leave...very few have done well once leaving Arsenal.

Cesc and Nasri should take note.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 08, 2011, 01:36:09 PM
How many years running has that statement been proven wrong?

arsenal is a selling team. they books balance but they go be lucky to make top 4 this yr.

4) Jeremy Aliadiere..come on as a sub for fc lorient vs. psg saturdat

7) Reyes...doing alright at atletico madrid
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 08, 2011, 01:42:46 PM
So whatt about when opponents start defending deeper to compensate? Or you thinking it will give Cesc and RvP more space to operate?
Miyachi and Traore still have a lot to prove. Frimpong and Gervinho even. Out of those 5 players I would say we have one we know we can rely on, two who have impressed in (meaningless) preseason games and look capable, and two young players who are hit or miss. With Traore, all signs point to miss. With Miyaichi, I think he just needs more time to develop. But more transfers will arrive. I think at least two. But they will happen when sales are made. Once the Bendtner, Almunia, Eboue deals are sorted, then I think we can look forward to more signings. Just my guess, 3 weeks to go before the close of the transfer window.

Oh, I can't wait to see Walcott on one flank and Gervinho on the other. Their pace is going to destroy teams.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on August 08, 2011, 01:43:29 PM
arsenal is a selling team. they books balance but they go be lucky to make top 4 this yr.

4) Jeremy Aliadiere..come on as a sub for fc lorient vs. psg saturdat

7) Reyes...doing alright at atletico madrid never got to play much at AM loaned out to Benfica
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Touches on August 08, 2011, 02:13:17 PM
Dansteel..Jones is not an unproven defender...he and Samba were the steel of Blackburn last year and formed an impressive partnership which is why everyone wanted him.

Is a hard luck he told us to use vicks and went Manu instead.

But I will disagree with you about Adam...Adam is a big player and had he a better supporting cast he would have done even more. He will do well at Liverpool. Good set piece taker and good passing range and puts in a good blade when needed. I find it is hard to get a player like that for less than 10 mil...he and Nzogbia are bargains.

I saw that Alex was going for 3-6 mil from Chelsea...this is another bargain we should snap up if true.

The difference between 1st and 4th is not luck...it is depth and quality. Something we lacking at both ends of the field.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 08, 2011, 03:04:01 PM
Blackburn conceded 59 goals last season, 16 more than Arsenal. I am not impressed. He has undoubted potential but that's it. Isn't he now getting a senior cap in this Netherlands friendly. That's not a proven defender. I was comparing him to Chamberlain because people keep saying we spent too much on him while no one says the same of United's more expensive signing. Both youth internationals, both with lots of promise.

Charlie Adam is highly talented and excellent at dead balls, has the skill to be an excellent deep playmaker but if you can't finish a game at this level because you lack fitness and you keep trying to force the issue by playing killer passes then you lack the attributes for me to call you a "big" player.

I agree with you on Alex. A very good central defender. Question is, would Chelsea sell him to Arsenal in this environment? Also he has had serious injury problems this season. Do we really need another player like that?

Dansteel..Jones is not an unproven defender...he and Samba were the steel of Blackburn last year and formed an impressive partnership which is why everyone wanted him.

Is a hard luck he told us to use vicks and went Manu instead.

But I will disagree with you about Adam...Adam is a big player and had he a better supporting cast he would have done even more. He will do well at Liverpool. Good set piece taker and good passing range and puts in a good blade when needed. I find it is hard to get a player like that for less than 10 mil...he and Nzogbia are bargains.

I saw that Alex was going for 3-6 mil from Chelsea...this is another bargain we should snap up if true.

The difference between 1st and 4th is not luck...it is depth and quality. Something we lacking at both ends of the field.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: SOBRIQUET on August 08, 2011, 04:01:50 PM
But Touches, since them men leave Arsenal hasn't won anything either! So yuh might as well go to another team and try-a-thing (with more pay). So your stubborn employer stalling, don't want to invest in the company by bringing in a couple experienced people to get you to the top. Other "big" companies offering you more cash to try help get them to the top. You will stay at that old job? It's one thing to be a part of something special, that you think is going somewhere, but when you look over to your rivals and they are more committed than you to winning? Which man wouldn't bounce?

Question...in recent history...besides Ashley Cole and Thierry Henry, who has left Arsenal and done "well"

There are plenty to add to the list but to me once you leave arsenal seeking green pastures it doh usually work out for you. You might get a sweat and extend yuh career..but to me I think Wenger usually lets you go at the right time.

1) Lassana Diara..went portmouth,chelsea, real..only at real he made an impact.

2) David Bently...good for rovers and salt

3) Francis Jeffers..nuttin

4) Jeremy Aliadiere..where he gone

5) Flamini...sub bench at AC Milan

6) Viera win ting with Inter but was on the decline

7) Reyes...alyuh hear from he since

8)Van Bronkhorst...win ting with Barca (he do good)

9)Henry win a CL with Barca

10)Ashley Cole...the best of the lot, win premiership, FA Cup

11) Pires...floundering around

12) Hleb...shit at barca..downhill at birmingham

13) Toure...banned substance in Man C and suspended

14) Kanu...win a FA cup with portsmouth and ketch a length in he ole age and a heart attack as well.

15) Wiltord..???

16) Sol Campbell...gorn tru...tabanca mash him up

17) Gallas...trying a ting at Spurs doing fairly ok. But won nuttin.

18) Gilberto Silva...???

19) Adebayor...can't find a place to call home.

20) Clichy...now too too down heself Sunday in the Carity Shield

21) Cesc...looking to sell house, take pay cut to warm bench with Barca.

22) Nasri..1/2 a good season and feel he in ting...to go Man city and bench or ManU...hrm.

Is it me or does the Arsenal Blight follow you when you leave...very few have done well once leaving Arsenal.

Cesc and Nasri should take note.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: giggsy11 on August 08, 2011, 04:47:33 PM
Blackburn conceded 59 goals last season, 16 more than Arsenal. I am not impressed. He has undoubted potential but that's it. Isn't he now getting a senior cap in this Netherlands friendly. That's not a proven defender. I was comparing him to Chamberlain because people keep saying we spent too much on him while no one says the same of United's more expensive signing. Both youth internationals, both with lots of promise.

Charlie Adam is highly talented and excellent at dead balls, has the skill to be an excellent deep playmaker but if you can't finish a game at this level because you lack fitness and you keep trying to force the issue by playing killer passes then you lack the attributes for me to call you a "big" player.

I agree with you on Alex. A very good central defender. Question is, would Chelsea sell him to Arsenal in this environment? Also he has had serious injury problems this season. Do we really need another player like that?

Dansteel..Jones is not an unproven defender...he and Samba were the steel of Blackburn last year and formed an impressive partnership which is why everyone wanted him.

Is a hard luck he told us to use vicks and went Manu instead.

But I will disagree with you about Adam...Adam is a big player and had he a better supporting cast he would have done even more. He will do well at Liverpool. Good set piece taker and good passing range and puts in a good blade when needed. I find it is hard to get a player like that for less than 10 mil...he and Nzogbia are bargains.

I saw that Alex was going for 3-6 mil from Chelsea...this is another bargain we should snap up if true.

The difference between 1st and 4th is not luck...it is depth and quality. Something we lacking at both ends of the field.


Yeh,it never ceases to amaze me how these professional athletes does allow themselves to be out of shape when they getting paid to play sports for a living. All of them cannot have thyroid problems.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 08, 2011, 08:52:48 PM
25mil for nasri is good biz, but he is just what city are missing, wenger please don't put bullets in our competitions guns please.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on August 09, 2011, 05:57:27 AM
25mil for nasri is good biz, but he is just what city are missing, wenger please don't put bullets in our competitions guns please.

Cesc wanna go barca but whenever he play for Arsenal does always give his all..... Nasri doh wah play and sulking ....... men like that yuh have to let go .... if de man stay his season and give his all and then move for free no worries but when men needing to look to you and you lacquadaisical and playing like that... roll yuh ass out the door  .... teams like city will never be as good as they can be .... mancini simply buying his entiire team is so ridiculous when united beat they ass i was soo happy.... bunch ah f**ks!!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on August 09, 2011, 07:28:52 AM
IMHO Chamberlin has more qualities that Walcott. He is technically better, more composed, better in the air and shows more maturity in his understanding of the game. Now having siad all that these qualities were in a lower league, now is time to see how he develops
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 09, 2011, 08:16:39 AM
City missing a midfield playmaker. I honestly doh see Nasri doing well in that position. When was the last time you see Nasri play a through ball or defence splitting pass? He will be fighting up with their wide forwards like Johnson and (to an extent) the far more versatile David Silva. Honestly failing a serious attitude adjustment I don't see Nasri becoming as great as his ambitions. I think he will struggle badly at City.

That said, I think Arsenal are well set for players who fulfil Nasri's role in the team. They have brought in Gervinho and now Chamberlain with Miyaichi waiting in the wings (provided he get his papers organised).So we have 3 new players who cost a total of 25 Mil, we sell one for the same and one of those players is arguably better than Nanas. Now I like him (the man score some OUTRAGEOUS goals for Arsenal) but if he feels that way then so be it.

All dat said Ngozi I have to disagree with you. United is the team to beat. Arsenal can outplay City any day of the week. I rather City soften up United than the other way around.

25mil for nasri is good biz, but he is just what city are missing, wenger please don't put bullets in our competitions guns please.

Cesc wanna go barca but whenever he play for Arsenal does always give his all..... Nasri doh wah play and sulking ....... men like that yuh have to let go .... if de man stay his season and give his all and then move for free no worries but when men needing to look to you and you lacquadaisical and playing like that... roll yuh ass out the door  .... teams like city will never be as good as they can be .... mancini simply buying his entiire team is so ridiculous when united beat they ass i was soo happy.... bunch ah f**ks!!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on August 09, 2011, 08:33:16 AM
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They does drop off the money over there
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 09, 2011, 08:37:40 AM
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They does drop off the money over there

 :rotfl:
They better drop off some for Barca so they could actually pay for Cesc.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: dwn on August 09, 2011, 08:48:30 AM
How many years running has that statement been proven wrong?

arsenal is a selling team. they books balance but they go be lucky to make top 4 this yr.

4) Jeremy Aliadiere..come on as a sub for fc lorient vs. psg saturdat

7) Reyes...doing alright at atletico madrid

Same thing I thought.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: dwn on August 09, 2011, 08:50:59 AM
But I will disagree with you about Adam...Adam is a big player and had he a better supporting cast he would have done even more. He will do well at Liverpool. Good set piece taker and good passing range and puts in a good blade when needed. I find it is hard to get a player like that for less than 10 mil...he and Nzogbia are bargains.

I think Charlie Adam is good at set pieces. Otherwise he's not that good. I don't think he will shine at Liverpool. I think he actually better off being a big fish in a small pond. We will see though.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 09, 2011, 09:34:50 AM
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They does drop off the money over there

 :rotfl:
They better drop off some for Barca so they could actually pay for Cesc.
cesc paying barca to take him
funny is them 3 self looking to jump ship
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 09, 2011, 09:36:03 AM
How many years running has that statement been proven wrong?

arsenal is a selling team. they books balance but they go be lucky to make top 4 this yr.

4) Jeremy Aliadiere..come on as a sub for fc lorient vs. psg saturdat

7) Reyes...doing alright at atletico madrid

Same thing I thought.
thats where we land we aiming for top spot have it in we sight s then trip over we own feet and fall on our facein 4th or 3rd when last we make 2nd?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: giggsy11 on August 09, 2011, 10:01:18 AM
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They does drop off the money over there

Looking at the 3 of dem, I ask did they did enough to help Arsenal win when they had the opportunities to be the difference? Now they looking tuh jump ship like some rats! Cesc I could give a bly due to his love for Barca the other two I don't think played like winners.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: dinho on August 09, 2011, 10:08:23 AM
Allyuh men jokey yes..

I don't know why allyuh ragging on Fabregas, Nasri and Clichy for wanting to buss it. Any great player with some level of ambition wants to play and compete with the best players and wants the opportunity to win titles. When year after year, yuh surrounded by pull stones men who popping down around you at the business end of the season and the coach big answer is Oxlade-Chamberlain and Gervinho, why should they not want to leave?

Direct allyuh venom at the cheap ass board and manager who refuse to match the ambitions of their best players despite being one of the most profitably run franchises in the EPL.

Imagine Arsenal open to selling Nasri to a title contender, Man City. That is absolute madness for any amount of money. If he wants to go, they should let him leave but not to a direct competitor, let him go abroad.

When allyuh will wake up and realize that Arsenal is not interested in winning trophies but moreso in turning a profit?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 09, 2011, 10:30:37 AM
dinho, Arsenal board must be slash yuh tyres de way you always goin on about them.

Nasri and Clichy is great players all of a sudden. Good yes but great?!? Nasri didn't even have a full good season. The man have talent. But both he and Clichy talk about their silverware ambitions and their football stay quiet. If Clichy go City to do that nonsense he play for United third goal on Sunday he not going to smell silverware.

Oxlade-Chamberlain has been a youth target for Arsenal for at least a year. The need to strengthen the squad doesn't mean to stop signing promising young players. People quarrel because we sign youth like they know Arsenal done wit transfer business. Gervinho, time will tell but I think he has performed well in the past and can make the step up.

In terms of this not selling to title rivals, that is a very recent policy. Look at men transfer between rivals in the early and mid 2000s. Not just in England either. A nonsense argument engendered solely by City's reluctance to do it in recent seasons.

Allyuh men jokey yes..

I don't know why allyuh ragging on Fabregas, Nasri and Clichy for wanting to buss it. Any great player with some level of ambition wants to play and compete with the best players and wants the opportunity to win titles. When year after year, yuh surrounded by pull stones men who popping down around you at the business end of the season and the coach big answer is Oxlade-Chamberlain and Gervinho, why should they not want to leave?

Direct allyuh venom at the cheap ass board and manager who refuse to match the ambitions of their best players despite being one of the most profitably run franchises in the EPL.

Imagine Arsenal open to selling Nasri to a title contender, Man City. That is absolute madness for any amount of money. If he wants to go, they should let him leave but not to a direct competitor, let him go abroad.

When allyuh will wake up and realize that Arsenal is not interested in winning trophies but moreso in turning a profit?

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: giggsy11 on August 09, 2011, 10:34:06 AM
Allyuh men jokey yes..

I don't know why allyuh ragging on Fabregas, Nasri and Clichy for wanting to buss it. Any great player with some level of ambition wants to play and compete with the best players and wants the opportunity to win titles. When year after year, yuh surrounded by pull stones men who popping down around you at the business end of the season and the coach big answer is Oxlade-Chamberlain and Gervinho, why should they not want to leave?

Direct allyuh venom at the cheap ass board and manager who refuse to match the ambitions of their best players despite being one of the most profitably run franchises in the EPL.

Imagine Arsenal open to selling Nasri to a title contender, Man City. That is absolute madness for any amount of money. If he wants to go, they should let him leave but not to a direct competitor, let him go abroad.

When allyuh will wake up and realize that Arsenal is not interested in winning trophies but moreso in turning a profit?



You don;t think Clichy and Nasri were part of the group of men yuh referred to who were 'pooping down at the business end of the season'? I agree that Arsenal's lack of apparent ambition is a problem. I think Arsene9's problem is  he over estimates some of the talents of these players and does not put enough emphasis on strong character on the field.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on August 09, 2011, 10:34:28 AM
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They does drop off the money over there

Looking at the 3 of dem, I ask did they did enough to help Arsenal win when they had the opportunities to be the difference? Now they looking tuh jump ship like some rats! Cesc I could give a bly due to his love for Barca the other two I don't think played like winners.

tell dem Giggsy ! tell dem! Dam rude especially since Clichy buckle in so many big games over the years and Nasri only now coming into his own.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: fari on August 09, 2011, 10:45:05 AM
Allyuh men jokey yes..

I don't know why allyuh ragging on Fabregas, Nasri and Clichy for wanting to buss it. Any great player with some level of ambition wants to play and compete with the best players and wants the opportunity to win titles. When year after year, yuh surrounded by pull stones men who popping down around you at the business end of the season and the coach big answer is Oxlade-Chamberlain and Gervinho, why should they not want to leave?

Direct allyuh venom at the cheap ass board and manager who refuse to match the ambitions of their best players despite being one of the most profitably run franchises in the EPL.

Imagine Arsenal open to selling Nasri to a title contender, Man City. That is absolute madness for any amount of money. If he wants to go, they should let him leave but not to a direct competitor, let him go abroad.

When allyuh will wake up and realize that Arsenal is not interested in winning trophies but moreso in turning a profit?



You don;t think Clichy and Nasri were part of the group of men yuh referred to who were 'pooping down at the business end of the season'? I agree that Arsenal's lack of apparent ambition is a problem. I think Arsene9's problem is  he over estimates some of the talents of these players and does not put enough emphasis on strong character on the field.

that is why on so many msg boards posters clamoring for more englishmen on the side ( men like big tony adams, keown et al).  clichy bless his heart give a lot of effort for arsenal, BUT sometimes he had some brain farts that cost us dear.   fabregas is the only one of that trio in the pic who could say he give his all for arsenal.  nasri only seeking a bigger payday, doh study he...them men will go friggin yeovil town if they getting tall dollars.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 09, 2011, 10:49:50 AM
I doh believe none of this nonsense with Englishmen and strong character. What England win since 1966 with all dey character? Nutten! I tired hearing that rubbish. People who clamoring for English character just stupid ignorant and racist. Who on Arsenal team last season had more character than the Dutchman Robin van Persie? Steuuuups! Done dat talk nah!

Allyuh men jokey yes..

I don't know why allyuh ragging on Fabregas, Nasri and Clichy for wanting to buss it. Any great player with some level of ambition wants to play and compete with the best players and wants the opportunity to win titles. When year after year, yuh surrounded by pull stones men who popping down around you at the business end of the season and the coach big answer is Oxlade-Chamberlain and Gervinho, why should they not want to leave?

Direct allyuh venom at the cheap ass board and manager who refuse to match the ambitions of their best players despite being one of the most profitably run franchises in the EPL.

Imagine Arsenal open to selling Nasri to a title contender, Man City. That is absolute madness for any amount of money. If he wants to go, they should let him leave but not to a direct competitor, let him go abroad.

When allyuh will wake up and realize that Arsenal is not interested in winning trophies but moreso in turning a profit?



You don;t think Clichy and Nasri were part of the group of men yuh referred to who were 'pooping down at the business end of the season'? I agree that Arsenal's lack of apparent ambition is a problem. I think Arsene9's problem is  he over estimates some of the talents of these players and does not put enough emphasis on strong character on the field.

that is why on so many msg boards posters clamoring for more englishmen on the side ( men like big tony adams, keown et al).  clichy bless his heart give a lot of effort for arsenal, BUT sometimes he had some brain farts that cost us dear.   fabregas is the only one of that trio in the pic who could say he give his all for arsenal.  nasri only seeking a bigger payday, doh study he...them men will go friggin yeovil town if they getting tall dollars.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 09, 2011, 10:52:33 AM
Sorry if I offend anyone. That stupidness does just get me vex to hear.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: dinho on August 09, 2011, 10:59:35 AM
Dansteel, i might be a Chelsea fan but I have a soft spot for Arsenal because I respect how they try to play the game. But for a side that supposed to be challenging for trophies I think what the board is doing is a disgrace.

Allyuh need to read back an interview with Fabregas from a few months back about the invincibles team when he was coming into the side.

Basically what he said is that the great thing about that team is that the onus wasn't on any one player to be a leader and take responsibility in all the matches. The team was full of leaders who could all step up and pick up the slack when another player was off his game or out injured. Inspiration came from a number of places, Henry, Vieira, Bergkamp, Adam, Keown etc.

You look at the side now and is Fabregas, Van Persie and Nasri and nobody else, everything falls on their shoulders. They cannot sustain that for an entire season. If one is injured or if a team lock down any two then there is no one else who can step up to fill that void. Only a setta young promising players but no battle hardened warriors.

And who fault that is?

When young bucks Sczesney and Koscielney beps on theyself in the Carling Cup final who fault that was.. Fabregas fault or the manager fault for putting faith in inexperience? When allyuh side let Newcastle come back from 4 goals down and when allyuh throw way points season after season due to lack of experience and leadership at the end of the season, who fault that is the players??

Who fault it is that the squad players allyuh buy have to be cheap and have to be French or from the French league regardless of if they shitty like Silvestre, Squillaci and Koscielney?

Come nuh man allyuh wake up and smell the coffee. Last year, Wenger pull out of buying Schwarzer over a measley extra 1m pounds. That is frankoment cheapness, Schwarzer's experience and the impact on the defence was guaranteeing at least 8-10 extra points for the season. But no, he cant stretch a lil bit to spend an extra 1m pounds.

If i see Arsenal make a big signing or two before the transfer window done, I'll say ok they doing something.. If they don't, it would be unbelievable that they carrying their fans through the frustration for a next season especially when every other team around them is making significant moves to improve.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bakes on August 09, 2011, 11:19:00 AM
Allyuh men jokey yes..

I don't know why allyuh ragging on Fabregas, Nasri and Clichy for wanting to buss it. Any great player with some level of ambition wants to play and compete with the best players and wants the opportunity to win titles. When year after year, yuh surrounded by pull stones men who popping down around you at the business end of the season and the coach big answer is Oxlade-Chamberlain and Gervinho, why should they not want to leave?

Direct allyuh venom at the cheap ass board and manager who refuse to match the ambitions of their best players despite being one of the most profitably run franchises in the EPL.

Imagine Arsenal open to selling Nasri to a title contender, Man City. That is absolute madness for any amount of money. If he wants to go, they should let him leave but not to a direct competitor, let him go abroad.

When allyuh will wake up and realize that Arsenal is not interested in winning trophies but moreso in turning a profit?


Arsenal is not in the driving seat, Nasri is.  If Arsenal wants to hold up a transfer all Nasri have to do is say okay and sit tight for another season.  At the end Arsenal will have a malcontent on the squad who may or may not give his all and will miss out on a 25 million pound payday in the process.  Remember the issue isn't that Nasri wants out of Arsenal, it's more that he doesn't want to re-sign with them.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: elan on August 09, 2011, 11:32:32 AM
Breaking News!!!!

Arsene Wenger has been spotted breaking into a Jewellery shop in Tottenham. Sources say he was after some silverware.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 09, 2011, 11:39:54 AM
Guys just a reminder that Arsenal hasn't won any silverware for 6 seasons. That is all.

Breaking News!!!!

Arsene Wenger has been spotted breaking into a Jewellery shop in Tottenham. Sources say he was after some silverware.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on August 09, 2011, 11:40:12 AM
Allyuh men jokey yes..

I don't know why allyuh ragging on Fabregas, Nasri and Clichy for wanting to buss it. Any great player with some level of ambition wants to play and compete with the best players and wants the opportunity to win titles. When year after year, yuh surrounded by pull stones men who popping down around you at the business end of the season and the coach big answer is Oxlade-Chamberlain and Gervinho, why should they not want to leave?

Direct allyuh venom at the cheap ass board and manager who refuse to match the ambitions of their best players despite being one of the most profitably run franchises in the EPL.

Imagine Arsenal open to selling Nasri to a title contender, Man City. That is absolute madness for any amount of money. If he wants to go, they should let him leave but not to a direct competitor, let him go abroad.

When allyuh will wake up and realize that Arsenal is not interested in winning trophies but moreso in turning a profit?


Arsenal is not in the driving seat, Nasri is.  If Arsenal wants to hold up a transfer all Nasri have to do is say okay and sit tight for another season.  At the end Arsenal will have a malcontent on the squad who may or may not give his all and will miss out on a 25 million pound payday in the process.  Remember the issue isn't that Nasri wants out of Arsenal, it's more that he doesn't want to re-sign with them.

Huh! Yuh have me with this one. One and the same  ???
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: doublet750 on August 09, 2011, 11:42:25 AM
Breaking News!!!!

Arsene Wenger has been spotted breaking into a Jewellery shop in Tottenham. Sources say he was after some silverware.

with the brand of football Arsenal playing these last few years it really is amazing that their neighbors have more silverware than them since 2008
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bakes on August 09, 2011, 11:45:13 AM
Huh! Yuh have me with this one. One and the same  ???

Tevez has a multiple years still on his contract (as does Fabregas), both have indicated that they'd rather play elsewhere and not honor the remaining years on their contracts.  Nasri has not indicated that he's unwilling to honor the remaining year on his contract, meaning he's not actively seeking to leave Arsenal right now.  All he's saying is that he's not signing an extension with the team, but will play out his current contract then leave.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 09, 2011, 01:24:33 PM
Right. Had a good lunch. A couple points dinho:

I believe it was Wenger who said in 2006 that with the move to the Emirates and the subsequent financial constraints, it would take 4-5 years for Arsenal to challenge seriously for silverware. Given that the team has still managed to make it into the latter stages of the CL on a consistent basis, I not happy with the no trophies but I will take that.

I think, given all Wenger has done for the club, he earned the right to challenge for the title with his young squad. I remember at the beginning of the 2009/10 season he said that the team as was could win silverware. That team was destroyed by injuries (in the 4-1 defeat to Barca there were 5 starters on the pitch). This year was much better with injuries but it was made clear that the team still had too many weaknesses to win trophies.

I also should point out that Arsenal under Wenger has almost never signed big stars. Henry was riding bench as a winger in Juventus and Vieira was playing for AC Milan reserves. The last "big stars" Arsenal signed were Bergkamp and Overmars (unless you count Arshavin which is a matter of debate).

Given that Wenger was given a fully deserved chance to win titles with a team he built from youth, a team that while not having won silverware has done some great things, it is now up to him to strengthen the team to the point at which they can challenge credibly.

I don't understand the problem you have with him getting French league players. It has worked before, France has been FAR more successful in football than England in the last 15 years and many of the best players in the Premier League including your side's own Drogba, Anelka and Malouda came from that league. There is nothing wrong with him hiring players from the French league. Where you think Vieira, Pires and Henry got their start?

As to their being cheap, I cyah contest that fact other than to say that Arsenal doesn't think they can afford 50 million pound signings and none of us is really in a position to question them so I don't bother trying.

You contend that not signing Schwarzer was cheapness. I fail to see how Schwarzer would benefit the team given that Fulham conceded the same number of goals as Arsenal and more from open play. In such a case, why spend the money? You think Schwarzer would guarantee 8-10 more points? I have to disagree.

Finally, you claim that "every other team around them is making significant moves to improve". City sign Aguero, a striker who is at best a replacement for Tevez, and Clichy, who is one of now 4 left backs of good but not great quality. United sign Phil Jones (a youth international, much like Arsenal signings), Ashley Young, a very good player, David de Gea (another promising player with some youth caps). Chelsea sign a youth international midfielder for Spain on loan and a backup goalie. Liverpool sign Stewart Downing, Charlie Adam and Jordan Henderson, 3 decent players but not great. The best of that bunch is Downing and he ent no big star. Arsenal sign 2 promising youths like everyone else and the only Ligue 1 player to make double figures in both goals and assists. I doh see how you could say they any worse off in transfer business than the rest of rivals with 3 weeks left in the window. Yes they need a good aerial defender but until September 1 I can't condemn Wenger for not signing just as people can't condemn United or City or Chelsea for not signing a creative midfielder.

This anti Wenger/ anti Arsenal management slant in the media isseriously lacking in substance. It is mostly hype because Arsenal frustrate by not signing big names (a policy I admittedly wish they would break sometimes). I think if they don't do the necessary transfers this season then it is on Wenger and the board but up to now I can't fault them for the job they have done. If september 1 reach and we don't have a new centre back I will be the first to say Wenger "out", but until then I have to say I think you wrong.


Dansteel, i might be a Chelsea fan but I have a soft spot for Arsenal because I respect how they try to play the game. But for a side that supposed to be challenging for trophies I think what the board is doing is a disgrace.

Allyuh need to read back an interview with Fabregas from a few months back about the invincibles team when he was coming into the side.

Basically what he said is that the great thing about that team is that the onus wasn't on any one player to be a leader and take responsibility in all the matches. The team was full of leaders who could all step up and pick up the slack when another player was off his game or out injured. Inspiration came from a number of places, Henry, Vieira, Bergkamp, Adam, Keown etc.

You look at the side now and is Fabregas, Van Persie and Nasri and nobody else, everything falls on their shoulders. They cannot sustain that for an entire season. If one is injured or if a team lock down any two then there is no one else who can step up to fill that void. Only a setta young promising players but no battle hardened warriors.

And who fault that is?

When young bucks Sczesney and Koscielney beps on theyself in the Carling Cup final who fault that was.. Fabregas fault or the manager fault for putting faith in inexperience? When allyuh side let Newcastle come back from 4 goals down and when allyuh throw way points season after season due to lack of experience and leadership at the end of the season, who fault that is the players??

Who fault it is that the squad players allyuh buy have to be cheap and have to be French or from the French league regardless of if they shitty like Silvestre, Squillaci and Koscielney?

Come nuh man allyuh wake up and smell the coffee. Last year, Wenger pull out of buying Schwarzer over a measley extra 1m pounds. That is frankoment cheapness, Schwarzer's experience and the impact on the defence was guaranteeing at least 8-10 extra points for the season. But no, he cant stretch a lil bit to spend an extra 1m pounds.

If i see Arsenal make a big signing or two before the transfer window done, I'll say ok they doing something.. If they don't, it would be unbelievable that they carrying their fans through the frustration for a next season especially when every other team around them is making significant moves to improve.


Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Touches on August 09, 2011, 01:33:22 PM
Ehy..I figure it out.

I have it...Wenger is a genius and a flicking BOSS!!...the man on a level alyuh cannot comprehend.

 ;D

The man sabotaging the competition from within, and getting paid for it too.

Every sale to a rival is for him to exploit when the time comes...really he wants Nasri to go Manu. We already sell 3 to Man City and Cesc to barca is for when we ketch them in the CL again.

All we need now is to sell bendtner and scillachi to Chelsea and the masterplan is complete  :rotfl:

Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 09, 2011, 01:38:51 PM
I hear United give up on Sneijder and targetting Denilson now.

Ehy..I figure it out.

I have it...Wenger is a genius and a flicking BOSS!!...the man on a level alyuh cannot comprehend.

 ;D

The man sabotaging the competition from within, and getting paid for it too.

Every sale to a rival is for him to exploit when the time comes...really he wants Nasri to go Manu. We already sell 3 to Man City and Cesc to barca is for when we ketch them in the CL again.

All we need now is to sell bendtner and scillachi to Chelsea and the masterplan is complete  :rotfl:


Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 09, 2011, 02:02:46 PM
Miyaichi granted work permit to play for Club

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/miyaichi-granted-work-permit-to-play-for-club (http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/miyaichi-granted-work-permit-to-play-for-club)

Arsenal Football Club is delighted to announce that Ryo Miyaichi has been granted the work permit he requires to play first-team football for the Club this season.

The 18-year-old arrived in January and spent last season on loan at Dutch club Feyenoord in order to help his adjustment to European football, while awaiting the clearance needed to represent Arsenal in the UK.

An FA panel met on Tuesday at Wembley Stadium to decide the case and heard from Arsène Wenger, who was in attendance, before granting the work permit on the grounds that Ryo is an ‘exceptional talent’. Supporting testimonials were also sent by the Japan Football Association, which significantly helped the process.

Miyaichi has impressed greatly during pre-season and featured in all matches played outside the UK, but now he has been authorised a work permit which means that he is free to play for Arsenal in the UK.

Upon hearing the news, Arsène Wenger said: “We are absolutely delighted that Ryo has been granted a work permit. This is almost like a new signing for us, as we weren’t completely sure we would be given the authorisation. Ryo has worked extremely hard in pre-season and performed very well during the matches in Asia, Germany and Portugal.

Wenger continued: “Ryo has natural technical ability. He has good balance and phenomenal pace, and his passing and crossing is consistently of a high quality. He is a very exciting player. He had a successful time with Feyenoord in the Netherlands last season, who gave him the opportunity to play regularly, and we’re looking forward to his contribution this coming season with Arsenal.”

Miyaichi will be eligible to play for the first team as soon as the formalities of the paperwork are completed.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 09, 2011, 02:27:22 PM
Arsenal announce squad for Play-Off Round

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/arsenal-announce-squad-for-play-off-round (http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/arsenal-announce-squad-for-play-off-round)

Arsenal Football Club has announced its squad for the Champions League Play-Off Round.

The Club has submitted an A list (List A) and a B list (List B) of players, all of whom will be eligible for the Play-Off Round tie with Udinese. 

List A for the Play-Off Round is final, although a single change to the squad can be made by Monday 15 August (the day before the first-leg game).

Should the Club progress to the Group Stage of the competition, an updated List A will be submitted by September 1, which will apply for the remainder of the competition.

Under UEFA rules, Arsenal is eligible to register 25 players to List A for the Play-Off Round and an unlimited number of players to List B.

A player qualifies for inclusion in List B if he was born on or after January 1, 1990 and has been eligible to play for the Club for an uninterrupted period of two years or more since his 15th birthday.

Arsenal's Champions League squad:
List A…
Manuel Almunia
Andrey Arshavin
Nicklas Bendtner
Marouane Chamakh
Abou Diaby
Johan Djourou
Emmanuel Eboue
Lukasz Fabianski
Cesc Fabregas
Gervinho
Kieran Gibbs
Carl Jenkinson
Laurent Koscielny
Vito Mannone
Samir Nasri
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
Tomas Rosicky
Bacary Sagna
Alex Song
Sebastien Squillaci
Armand Traore
Robin van Persie
Carlos Vela
Thomas Vermaelen
Theo Walcott

List B...
Aaron Ramsey
Wojciech Szczesny
Jack Wilshere
Benik Afobe
Chuks Aneke
Zak Ansah
Daniel Boateng
George Brislen-Hall
Francis Coquelin
Craig Eastmond
Luke Freeman
Emmanuel Frimpong
Sead Hajrovic
Conor Henderson
Gavin Hoyte
Jernade Meade
Ignasi Miquel
Rhys Murphy
Nigel Neita
Oguzhan Ozyakup
Gilles Sunu
Sanchez Watt
Nico Yennaris
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 09, 2011, 05:16:18 PM
There's only one 4th place!
There's only one 4th place!
One 4th place!
There's only on 4th place!

Practicing next season chants...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: dumpalewie on August 09, 2011, 07:48:08 PM
As much as i'd like to believe in the man, Wenger doesn't make sense sometimes. He keeps saying that he will only sign players of super quality that can add something to Arsenal. How does this square with his signing of Silvestre, Squillaci and Sol? He has said that we need a CB since January and nada so far. Man needs a calpet to get moving!

Dansteel, the point about British 'Character' has less to do with international football than adaptability to the Premier League. Those are 2 different beasts. Man U won the PL last year on character. Maybe you haven't been watching but French football is like Trini football. They are at their lowest ebb currently. Remember SA 2010? 

Don't believe the hype about Csec and Nasri being in the CL squad. It also includes Bendtner, Almunia and Eboue who we know are all moving. Having said that, I think we will know more about our squad for this season when we see who lines up against Udinese next week.

I also do believe that the English media love to see Arsenal fail, but that is because of the perceived arrogance of Wenger who fails to see what everyone else sees. I agree that the team was not far last year but has he done enough so far? If we keep both or at least one of Csec and Nasri plus we add a top notch CB, we will contend.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on August 09, 2011, 11:39:51 PM
When it comes to points I doh care who lose as long as we able to take advantage but really city simply buying every player out there ...no strategy to it at all I cyah respect no team like that I mean really?
United is def the team to beat for no other reason than they are tough as hell mentally ... they don't ever give up!!!
Man city lose and what they gone to do buy another player again.... jeeezzzz
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 10, 2011, 07:08:51 AM
Yeah I know he does take long. I just doh see any point in worrying about what he do until September 1. That is wasting time and unnecessary stress. The "super quality" quote is long long after he signed those 3 players.

I seriously doubt French football is like Trini football. France still produces better quality players than England which is what I was referring to about France being better. The Premier League is a better league but then they have more money and only just over a third of the players in the PL are English. Only 3 of the players in the team of the season were British. Oh and Man U didn't win the league on character. They won it because they had the best attack in England and a defence that allowed the least shots on target, backed up by the best goalkeeper in Europe last year. England's problem is that because they have many of the best clubs they think they have the best footballers, a fallacy that Germany brutally exposed in South Africa and better teams will continue to expose in the next few years. Everybody wants Arsenal to hire British players with "character". Players who, generally speaking, performed worse than Arsenal's did. Arsenal had the second best attack in the league and the 4th best defence. Samba ent going to improve on that, end of story. Maybe Jagielka or Cahill but I not so sure. The only thing I willing to concede is the 2 of them would be better than Squillaci, which may be enough.

I was just posting the CL story from the website. I know it only matters who steps on to the field. Just thought it was of interest. It certainly set ESPN crazy that they Cesc and Nanas were included.

I think they want to see Arsenal fail for many reasons, including that they think Wenger is arrogant. They don't like that he uses so many foreigners (which is changing, despite the fact that English footballers are less likely to be top quality), they don't like that he doesn't buy into the hype and splash money around for big sensational signings, they don't like that he places so much faith in youth and talent over battle hardened experience and "character" (which resonate with more people on a visceral level).

As much as i'd like to believe in the man, Wenger doesn't make sense sometimes. He keeps saying that he will only sign players of super quality that can add something to Arsenal. How does this square with his signing of Silvestre, Squillaci and Sol? He has said that we need a CB since January and nada so far. Man needs a calpet to get moving!

Dansteel, the point about British 'Character' has less to do with international football than adaptability to the Premier League. Those are 2 different beasts. Man U won the PL last year on character. Maybe you haven't been watching but French football is like Trini football. They are at their lowest ebb currently. Remember SA 2010? 

Don't believe the hype about Csec and Nasri being in the CL squad. It also includes Bendtner, Almunia and Eboue who we know are all moving. Having said that, I think we will know more about our squad for this season when we see who lines up against Udinese next week.

I also do believe that the English media love to see Arsenal fail, but that is because of the perceived arrogance of Wenger who fails to see what everyone else sees. I agree that the team was not far last year but has he done enough so far? If we keep both or at least one of Csec and Nasri plus we add a top notch CB, we will contend.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: giggsy11 on August 10, 2011, 08:39:59 AM
Yeah I know he does take long. I just doh see any point in worrying about what he do until September 1. That is wasting time and unnecessary stress. The "super quality" quote is long long after he signed those 3 players.

I seriously doubt French football is like Trini football. France still produces better quality players than England which is what I was referring to about France being better. The Premier League is a better league but then they have more money and only just over a third of the players in the PL are English. Only 3 of the players in the team of the season were British. Oh and Man U didn't win the league on character. They won it because they had the best attack in England and a defence that allowed the least shots on target, backed up by the best goalkeeper in Europe last year. England's problem is that because they have many of the best clubs they think they have the best footballers, a fallacy that Germany brutally exposed in South Africa and better teams will continue to expose in the next few years. Everybody wants Arsenal to hire British players with "character". Players who, generally speaking, performed worse than Arsenal's did. Arsenal had the second best attack in the league and the 4th best defence. Samba ent going to improve on that, end of story. Maybe Jagielka or Cahill but I not so sure. The only thing I willing to concede is the 2 of them would be better than Squillaci, which may be enough.

I was just posting the CL story from the website. I know it only matters who steps on to the field. Just thought it was of interest. It certainly set ESPN crazy that they Cesc and Nanas were included.

I think they want to see Arsenal fail for many reasons, including that they think Wenger is arrogant. They don't like that he uses so many foreigners (which is changing, despite the fact that English footballers are less likely to be top quality), they don't like that he doesn't buy into the hype and splash money around for big sensational signings, they don't like that he places so much faith in youth and talent over battle hardened experience and "character" (which resonate with more people on a visceral level).

As much as i'd like to believe in the man, Wenger doesn't make sense sometimes. He keeps saying that he will only sign players of super quality that can add something to Arsenal. How does this square with his signing of Silvestre, Squillaci and Sol? He has said that we need a CB since January and nada so far. Man needs a calpet to get moving!

Dansteel, the point about British 'Character' has less to do with international football than adaptability to the Premier League. Those are 2 different beasts. Man U won the PL last year on character. Maybe you haven't been watching but French football is like Trini football. They are at their lowest ebb currently. Remember SA 2010? 

Don't believe the hype about Csec and Nasri being in the CL squad. It also includes Bendtner, Almunia and Eboue who we know are all moving. Having said that, I think we will know more about our squad for this season when we see who lines up against Udinese next week.

I also do believe that the English media love to see Arsenal fail, but that is because of the perceived arrogance of Wenger who fails to see what everyone else sees. I agree that the team was not far last year but has he done enough so far? If we keep both or at least one of Csec and Nasri plus we add a top notch CB, we will contend.

Seriously? I am interested in what your definition of 'strong character' is. For me having strong character means being able to perservere when facing adversity. Getting the job done when faced with challenges. Being mentally tough and not breaking when facing adversity.

I feel you getting tied up with English players being used as the example of 'strong character'. I don't think English players have cornered the market on 'strong character'; I think the United players know how not to beat themselves due to the mentality that in ingrained in them and they play to the time, place and score. Like them or hate them; they have the will to win at any cost and will not settle for not dealing with a challenge or losing focus of the goal, which is to win the game. Which is another characteristic off having strong character. I think Arsenal worries to much about playing pretty football versus winning matches ugly or otherwise.
Arsenal in previous years also had a simialr mentality but has not had that since they began transitioning from the older players. Chelsea developed it under Jose and still maintains it.

You used Van Persie as an example but you need more than one player to stand up and lead when things are not going well on the field- you can't shy away from the challenge.  A man's character is found out when faced with adversity. And Arsenal's character has been lacking in recent years.
Just my 2cents!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 10, 2011, 09:57:38 AM
Seriously? I am interested in what your definition of 'strong character' is. For me having strong character means being able to perservere when facing adversity. Getting the job done when faced with challenges. Being mentally tough and not breaking when facing adversity.

I feel you getting tied up with English players being used as the example of 'strong character'. I don't think English players have cornered the market on 'strong character'; I think the United players know how not to beat themselves due to the mentality that in ingrained in them and they play to the time, place and score. Like them or hate them; they have the will to win at any cost and will not settle for not dealing with a challenge or losing focus of the goal, which is to win the game. Which is another characteristic off having strong character. I think Arsenal worries to much about playing pretty football versus winning matches ugly or otherwise.
Arsenal in previous years also had a simialr mentality but has not had that since they began transitioning from the older players. Chelsea developed it under Jose and still maintains it.

You used Van Persie as an example but you need more than one player to stand up and lead when things are not going well on the field- you can't shy away from the challenge.  A man's character is found out when faced with adversity. And Arsenal's character has been lacking in recent years.
Just my 2cents!

I'm not really one for this "character" debate. There really isn't any way to prove it. My take on Manchester United is that they have a very very good attack (and defence) and part of what makes them so good is their ability to vary their style to get a result in a way Arsenal hasn't. It's a reason I'm happier that Arsenal signed so many wingers than I would be if they signed a defender (which they admittedly also do need).

My point about Character and British players is that I keep reading that "Arsenal needs players with English toughness and character" or Premier League hardened centre backs. It's not about character in general as I'm not willing to debate that. I just get annoyed hearing about the English character (which is what I was referring to) because it is just jingoistic nonsense to me. Most of the best examples of Character in the Premier League aren't English anyway. I wasn't debating the character or lack thereof of a team. It just pushes my buttons to hear this English character garbage.

In reference to my second point why do the Centre backs have to be premier league hardened? I seriously doubt that a good Centre Back has to have PL experience. Vermaelen was in the team of the season in his first year at Arsenal. I am sure Thiago Silva, Hummels or Lucio could walk on to any Premier League team and stick Rooney or Drogba in their back pocket for the whole match.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: dwn on August 10, 2011, 03:10:14 PM
As much as i'd like to believe in the man, Wenger doesn't make sense sometimes. He keeps saying that he will only sign players of super quality that can add something to Arsenal. How does this square with his signing of Silvestre, Squillaci and Sol? He has said that we need a CB since January and nada so far. Man needs a calpet to get moving!

He says that will only spend big on players of "super quality". Silvestre, Squillaci and Sol were brought in as cover not as main signings.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 10, 2011, 05:16:09 PM
Right now the only thing wenger covering is his ass
As long as the club making money, qualifying for champs league and fighting on several fronts with an outside chance to win
the board happy and wenger safe 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: dwn on August 10, 2011, 07:06:27 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/hDBLSUKJiDY
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 11, 2011, 06:40:10 AM
Right I just want those two to go, enough disruptions already.

Enough dicking around
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 12, 2011, 06:04:26 AM
So wenger quoted today as saying "we have 4 center backs we don't need any more"  :-[
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 12, 2011, 07:04:37 AM
Please tell me that not true. It go real grieve me to have to turn on the Professor.

So wenger quoted today as saying "we have 4 center backs we don't need any more"  :-[
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on August 12, 2011, 11:14:27 AM
Please tell me that not true. It go real grieve me to have to turn on the Professor.

So wenger quoted today as saying "we have 4 center backs we don't need any more"  :-[

I wouldn't worry about that he trying to ber discreet but he knows better ... think he just trying to keep the press out his business since they been in it so much ... he's stubborn but he's not stupid!!!!
If we ncan see how bad Schillaci is .. then he can definitely recognise that as well!!!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 12, 2011, 01:15:15 PM
Please tell me that not true. It go real grieve me to have to turn on the Professor.

So wenger quoted today as saying "we have 4 center backs we don't need any more"  :-[

I wouldn't worry about that he trying to ber discreet but he knows better ... think he just trying to keep the press out his business since they been in it so much ... he's stubborn but he's not stupid!!!!
If we ncan see how bad Schillaci is .. then he can definitely recognise that as well!!!

Yeah. I have always defended Wenger because I have faith in him but my faith has been sorely tested the last 6 months. If he doesn't strengthen the defence (push Squillaci down the depth chart, not buy Mats Hummels and Nemanja Vidic love child, mind you) then I go have to join the Wenger Out posse. I could even forgive losing Cesc and Nanas, although I'd rather not.
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Post by: giggsy11 on August 12, 2011, 01:41:06 PM
One thing I like and respect about Arsene, is that he has a great eye for talent, even though sometimes they are a fit for the EPL and sometimes they are not. He has unearth some gems in his time; more times than not he has been successful less so when he lets is ego take over. So lets hope he stops letting the ego make the desicions and focus on what is best for Arsenal to be succssful on the field.
Title: Wenger looting in the London riots
Post by: Tallman on August 12, 2011, 02:27:43 PM
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Post by: Ngozi on August 12, 2011, 03:18:35 PM
Arsenal agree terms with CampbellAugust 12, 2011
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Arsenal have agreed terms with Costa Rican side Deportivo Saprissa to sign teenage striker Joel Campbell.



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Campbell, 19, was in the Costa Rica squad for the recent Copa America and the Under-20 World Cup and was linked with a host of European clubs including Manchester United.

Arsenal Manager Arsene Wenger said: "Joel Campbell has already shown that he is a player with great ability, and has also performed well on the international stage at a young age. We look forward to the formalities of the transfer being completed and working with Joel when he joins us at Arsenal."

Reports suggest that Arsenal will pay £930,000 for Campbell, rising to just over £1 million, if certain bonuses are met.

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Post by: D.H.W on August 12, 2011, 03:31:15 PM
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 :rotfl:
Title: Re: Wenger looting in the London riots
Post by: Observer on August 12, 2011, 04:31:34 PM
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 :rotfl:

Arsenal scored more goals that all the teams above them with the exception of ManU. However, they gave up more goals that evey team above them. I am not sure if its just the back four, because Arsenal's midfield defending is IMHO very weak and fails to protect its back line, sepecially with both full backs bombing forward. When they were having success the midfield general Viera was not only a ball winner, but a superb passer and organizer. Not to mention they had the likes of Petite and Edu. Yes they need a quality central defender, but for me the most pressing is a stable, athletic defensive midfielder.
Title: Re: Wenger looting in the London riots
Post by: dwn on August 12, 2011, 05:19:53 PM
Arsenal scored more goals that all the teams above them with the exception of ManU. However, they gave up more goals that evey team above them. I am not sure if its just the back four, because Arsenal's midfield defending is IMHO very weak and fails to protect its back line, sepecially with both full backs bombing forward. When they were having success the midfield general Viera was not only a ball winner, but a superb passer and organizer. Not to mention they had the likes of Petite and Edu. Yes they need a quality central defender, but for me the most pressing is a stable, athletic defensive midfielder.

I agree with you. But I would go a step further and say it's not just the defensive midfielder, but the defensive efforts of the entire midfield in general.
Title: Re: Wenger looting in the London riots
Post by: giggsy11 on August 12, 2011, 05:39:31 PM
Arsenal scored more goals that all the teams above them with the exception of ManU. However, they gave up more goals that evey team above them. I am not sure if its just the back four, because Arsenal's midfield defending is IMHO very weak and fails to protect its back line, sepecially with both full backs bombing forward. When they were having success the midfield general Viera was not only a ball winner, but a superb passer and organizer. Not to mention they had the likes of Petite and Edu. Yes they need a quality central defender, but for me the most pressing is a stable, athletic defensive midfielder.

I agree with you. But I would go a step further and say it's not just the defensive midfielder, but the defensive efforts of the entire midfield in general.


Or defensive efforts as a team; and not rely on certain players.
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Post by: GunnerStunner on August 12, 2011, 08:56:09 PM
We will see in a matter of hours
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Post by: Ngozi on August 13, 2011, 01:17:41 AM
I'm kinda hoping they go with this midfield trio Song, Frimpong and Rosicky in the hole Theo, RVP , Gervinho up top!!
Title: Re: Wenger looting in the London riots
Post by: Observer on August 13, 2011, 06:27:29 AM
Arsenal scored more goals that all the teams above them with the exception of ManU. However, they gave up more goals that evey team above them. I am not sure if its just the back four, because Arsenal's midfield defending is IMHO very weak and fails to protect its back line, sepecially with both full backs bombing forward. When they were having success the midfield general Viera was not only a ball winner, but a superb passer and organizer. Not to mention they had the likes of Petite and Edu. Yes they need a quality central defender, but for me the most pressing is a stable, athletic defensive midfielder.

I agree with you. But I would go a step further and say it's not just the defensive midfielder, but the defensive efforts of the entire midfield in general.


Or defensive efforts as a team; and not rely on certain players.

Can't argue with that. This is the reason I said Viera was an organizer as well, he kept the midfield in balance
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Post by: dwn on August 13, 2011, 08:01:08 AM
I'm kinda hoping they go with this midfield trio Song, Frimpong and Rosicky in the hole Theo, RVP , Gervinho up top!!

Thinking they will go with Ramsey ahead of Frimpong.
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Post by: GunnerStunner on August 13, 2011, 09:39:52 AM
We need some muscle to deal with tiote
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Post by: GunnerStunner on August 13, 2011, 10:25:43 AM
So stating squad is

Cheesy
Sagna tommy kos gibbs
Ramsey rosicky song
Gervinho RVP AA

Subs,
Theo, Oxlaide-chamberlain, jenkinson, frimpong, fabianski

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Post by: giggsy11 on August 13, 2011, 10:29:47 AM
 What happen to Chamakh; he still tired?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on August 13, 2011, 12:10:14 PM
Bullshit!

Red card for Gervinho, only a yellow for Barton?  Bullshit!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: kaliman2006 on August 13, 2011, 12:11:07 PM
How on earth did Barton not get sent off?

He put his hands on Gervinho first.

Gervinho's red card is probably justifiable, but Barton's red card should have been automatic.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: DeSoWa on August 13, 2011, 12:15:24 PM
That was some BS officiating right there!  >:(

Big Up!
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Post by: giggsy11 on August 13, 2011, 12:18:37 PM
Barton is a psychopath! That fella seems like he always plotting something negative. Song lucky tuh still be on the field! Stamping on Barton was stupid and he and his side were lucky touh get away with it. Not so lucky with Rick James doh!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: kaliman2006 on August 13, 2011, 12:30:18 PM
Barton is a psychopath! That fella seems like he always plotting something negative. Song lucky tuh still be on the field! Stamping on Barton was stupid and he and his side were lucky touh get away with it. Not so lucky with Rick James doh!

I now see what Capello was talking about. If Barton flipping out like this in the first game of the Premier League season, you could only imagine what would happen in a World Cup quarterfinal, semifinal or final.
I also agree with you about the Song incident. Arsenal coulda finished the game with 9 men.
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Post by: GunnerStunner on August 13, 2011, 12:34:17 PM
My commentary for the game today
f**k you arsenal
f**k you wenger
f**k you barton
f**k you reff
Hello same Khaki pants
I wouldn't be shocked if we get relegated
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Post by: Bitter on August 13, 2011, 12:35:21 PM
My commentary for the game today
f**k you arsenal
f**k you wenger
f**k you barton
f**k you reff
Hello same Khaki pants
I wouldn't be shocked if we get relegated


 :loser:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on August 13, 2011, 12:58:33 PM
My commentary for the game today
f**k you arsenal
f**k you wenger
f**k you barton
f**k you reff
Hello same Khaki pants
I wouldn't be shocked if we get relegated


So how yuh really feel?????
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bakes on August 13, 2011, 01:04:36 PM
I know see what Capello was talking about. If Barton flipping out like this in the first game of the Premier League season, you could only imagine what would happen in a World Cup quarterfinal, semifinal or final.
I also agree with you about the Song incident. Arsenal coulda finished the game with 9 men.

Now you understand why man saying they eh want no part of Barton on they team.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: ckhan on August 13, 2011, 01:14:58 PM
Gervinho and Gibbs were the best for Arsenal today. Heard the Arsenal fans were chanting where's the f%$king money. The wheels are turning on Wenger. He didn't even look comfortable when the cameras were on him during the game. 
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Post by: GunnerStunner on August 13, 2011, 01:41:27 PM
I feel de ja vu
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Post by: grimm01 on August 13, 2011, 01:50:33 PM
Gervinho and Gibbs were the best for Arsenal today. Heard the Arsenal fans were chanting where's the f%$king money. The wheels are turning on Wenger. He didn't even look comfortable when the cameras were on him during the game. 

the two of them were moving a lot and seeing plenty of the ball but their final touches and passes let them down. overall a very tepid and impotent performance from the Gunners.

I admire Arsene for his eye for talent and for sticking to his philosophy, but if he watch this performance and feel satisfied Arsenal going to challenge for any trophy, then they need to take him from the Emirates in a straitjacket.
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Post by: giggsy11 on August 13, 2011, 02:19:09 PM
Now is good time tuh play Arsenal and dem 'big sides' with question marks; before dey get dey shite together! Make hay!
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Post by: Observer on August 13, 2011, 02:33:06 PM
Seriously! When Arsenal get the ball wide and its time to cross or pull back or what ever, 99% of the time it only has 1 or 2 players in the box.
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Post by: giggsy11 on August 13, 2011, 02:53:29 PM
Seriously! When Arsenal get the ball wide and its time to cross or pull back or what ever, 99% of the time it only has 1 or 2 players in the box.

Who was one of the players crossing or pulling back the ball? But Rick James, the player other than Van Persie who is a goal scorer. Arsene need to realize not every forward is Henry- coming of the wing to score. Play to your players' strengths. Walcott, I feel being wasted on the wing; buy some wingers and let the fella see what he can do in a forward position. Arshavin for me needs to come of the bench, he is not a 90 minute player because he drifts in and out of the match to much. If he not contributing to the attack he brings nothing else to the side.
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Post by: Observer on August 13, 2011, 03:11:16 PM
Seriously! When Arsenal get the ball wide and its time to cross or pull back or what ever, 99% of the time it only has 1 or 2 players in the box.

Who was one of the players crossing or pulling back the ball? But Rick James, the player other than Van Persie who is a goal scorer. Arsene need to realize not every forward is Henry- coming of the wing to score. Play to your players' strengths. Walcott, I feel being wasted on the wing; buy some wingers and let the fella see what he can do in a forward position. Arshavin for me needs to come of the bench, he is not a 90 minute player because he drifts in and out of the match to much. If he not contributing to the attack he brings nothing else to the side.

Well true! Gervinho is a striker and he showed it in the warm up games. Dispatching him to the wing is ????? I myself would like to see Walcott up front and if memory serves me well, Wenger once talked about moulding him into that position. Anyway early days yet. Liverpool spend way more money and only manage to draw as well.
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Post by: Ngozi on August 13, 2011, 03:34:05 PM
Toothless.... no one controlling the play.... fell asleep after 20 minutes ... so next year Verminator and RVP might probably ask to leave ... Ramsey is as ordinary as they get replace Cesc my ass ..... and Arshavin why does he come to these games I'd leave him buried on the bench....sigh!!!
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Post by: dwn on August 13, 2011, 05:59:21 PM
Gervinho and Gibbs were the best for Arsenal today. Heard the Arsenal fans were chanting where's the f%$king money. The wheels are turning on Wenger. He didn't even look comfortable when the cameras were on him during the game. 

I thought Szczesny and Song had great performances. Gibbs played well but he looked a little tentative, Gervinho's end product was missing today. But you can see how good a player he is even though he didn't have the most effective game.
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Post by: Ngozi on August 13, 2011, 06:37:37 PM
This is the time for Wenger to try different combos I didnt like the midfield at all ..... I'd tweak it n try Song (a boss n a thug lol), Frimpong and Wilshire (he gets it , Ramsey doesnt).
Arshavin would be dropped immediately!!!
gervinho, rvp and restore Theo to the startiung lineup with Ryo , chamberlain and Joel camphell to come in ..... by the way I hear he real bad and you guessed it he is left footed!!!!

I put some thought into why wenger hesitant to buy an extra defender ... Cahill looked good today but so did Kos ... and Kos is his primary defender he has been grooming to start with VerminAtor and in fairness to him he has done welll ... suffice to say he won't necessarily dish out 17 million pounds on a man unless he is certain to be a starter considering that he has Djourou to come in who is good and they're all around the same age.With this being said I think he is looking at the Birmingham boy to bring in still around the same age but at a lesser price perhaps understanding that he may be a back up initially because Schillaci is shocking!!!

But trust me when I tell you Wenger's job for the first time is seriously in danger!!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on August 14, 2011, 06:43:48 AM
Question? The referee stop the play for the Barton incident, because Barton technically, fouled Gervinho by pulling him up and man handling him in the penalty area. Why was it not a penalty?  :devil:
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Post by: Ngozi on August 14, 2011, 07:42:55 AM
Well technically the play had already gone out of there and the incident was off the ball ... plus he had waived play on for gervinho's dive so the play was over .... so a card would be the appropriate form of punishment ... but Barton should have been sent off along with gervinho not only for initiating it but for play acting as well.
Although this Arsenal looks clueless going forward do they look more secure defensively?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on August 14, 2011, 08:37:21 AM
Well technically the play had already gone out of there and the incident was off the ball ... plus he had waived play on for gervinho's dive so the play was over .... so a card would be the appropriate form of punishment ... but Barton should have been sent off along with gervinho not only for initiating it but for play acting as well.
Although this Arsenal looks clueless going forward do they look more secure defensively?

I know all that. But he stop play after the wave on, so its a foul on Barton in the penalty area  ;D
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Post by: Daft Trini on August 14, 2011, 08:58:00 AM
Wenger fears Arsenal are feeder club
August 14, 2011
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Arsene Wenger has expressed his fear that Arsenal are becoming a club that nurtures top class talent for their rivals to cherry-pick when the Gunners' star players reach their prime.




Wenger has carved out a reputation for spotting teenage footballing talent, moulding them into some of the best players in Europe.

The Arsenal boss did it with the likes of Patrick Vieira and Thierry Henry, and now more recently with Cesc Fabregas and Samir Nasri. Wenger has always previously spoken of how he is building for Arsenal's future, promising during times of frustration that the club would reap the rewards when his batch of youngsters finally reach their peak.

However, both Fabregas and Nasri are now at stages in their career when they would be considered to be entering their footballing primes, yet it appears Arsenal will not be the ones to benefit. Barcelona expect to sign Fabregas imminently, while Nasri has had his head turned by the interest of Manchester City.

Asked if he was scared that Arsenal were becoming a breeding ground for players that move on to the Gunners' rivals for trophies, Wenger responded: "Yes we are concerned by that.

"When you take players who are 16 or 17 years old and play them in the Premier League, you need to be brave. But you do it because they deserve it and secondly because you hope the club will be rewarded when these players are 23 or 24, and are in a position to deliver. "So it is a concern."

The Arsenal manager, who has not delivered a trophy since 2005, did promise the club's fans that he is not scared to spend big money, but he reiterated his belief that there is little value for money out there.

"We have a big squad, a very big squad, and if players leave we try to bring players in," Wenger said. "But we request top quality. We are not scared to spend big money, don't worry. But we want to know what we get for it."

Asked for an update on the status of both Fabregas and Nasri, Wenger replied: "We are on both fronts in no-man's land. Things can change quickly, but right now they are players of Arsenal Football Club."
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Post by: giggsy11 on August 14, 2011, 09:04:39 AM
Arsenal will be alright; they just going thru a bit of a blip. Arsene is still the man to get the job done.  :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Peong on August 14, 2011, 12:58:07 PM
I don't think you get a kick for an off-ball incident.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on August 14, 2011, 04:04:13 PM
Arsenal agree terms with Barca for Fabregas
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/arsenal-agree-terms-with-barca-for-fabregas

Arsenal announces today that they have reached an agreement in principle with Barcelona for Cesc Fabregas to move to Spain.

It signals the end of the midfielder's eight-year spell at Arsenal. Fabregas joined the Club from Barcelona as a 16-year-old in September 2003 and made 303 appearances, scoring 57 goals in all competitions.

He holds the records for the youngest Arsenal first team player (16 years and 177 days v Rotherham United (h), 28 October 2003) and the youngest Arsenal first team goalscorer (16 years and 212 days v Wolves (h), 2 December, 2003).

Named as Arsenal Captain in November 2008, Fabregas also became a regular in the Spain national team, making 58 appearances to date.

Arsenal manager Arsène Wenger said: "We have been clear that we didn't want Cesc to leave and that remains the case. However, we understand Cesc's desire to move to his home town club and have now accepted an offer from Barcelona. We thank Cesc for his contribution at Arsenal and wish him future success."

The transfer is subject to the completion of formal legal agreements and registration processes, together with Fabregas agreeing personal terms and passing a medical.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: fari on August 14, 2011, 05:02:46 PM
alright so fabs gone. i wish him well. 

now for wenger to sign either jadson or mata or both and that hopefully should soften the blow.
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Post by: DeSoWa on August 14, 2011, 05:08:20 PM
I am just glad this saga is finally over, now we can carry on with the business of rebuilding. All is not lost!

Wish Cesc all the best and thank him for the 8yrs.

Big Up!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Peong on August 14, 2011, 11:23:16 PM
Bring Neymar!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bakes on August 15, 2011, 12:55:01 AM
Everything that's wrong with Arsenal can be summed up by this picture...

(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/pictures/2011/8/13/1313260731641/Joey-Barton-and-Gervinho-007.jpg)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on August 15, 2011, 06:18:13 AM
This is the player to buy. Mario Götze, remember this name for the future
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 15, 2011, 07:29:40 AM
Gervinho take real chain up there. Best not to respond to Joey Barton's thuggery but he new so he probably didn't know. He shouldn't have slap de man though. Before that he look real good. At least he will be rested for the Udinese second leg. Barton went down like a sniper get him. After he get on big and bad to haul up the man. Chain up merchant. I was very disappointed to see all the Arsenal players shaking his hand afterwards. People who don't know about sportsmanship don't deserve to be treated in a sportsmanlike manner.

Hope Song doh eat a ban too. I didn't really think his incident was so bad though. Coulda been intentional, coulda been accidental. Only he know for sure. Maybe a second yellow. Men was up in arms for it though.

Goodbye Cesc, didn't think Barca was going to come up with the cash but they did so thanks for the memories.

Arsenal now have a choice, spend the money on a replacement or try to use more movement and interchanging of passes. Arshavin was the only man who play a killer pass on Saturday. I truly believe he should be playing at #10. He is completely wasted on the wing.

Oh and Gervinho is a borse. Shame he gonna miss the Liverpool and Man U games. Love the "Rick James" comment Giggsy! :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bourbon on August 15, 2011, 08:04:44 AM


Goodbye Cesc, didn't think Barca was going to come up with the cash but they did so thanks for the memories.



I thought Arsenal was asking for 40 million up front?
Cause i reading Barca giving them 29 up front and there is the potential for a further 10 million based on clauses?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 15, 2011, 08:04:58 AM
Question? The referee stop the play for the Barton incident, because Barton technically, fouled Gervinho by pulling him up and man handling him in the penalty area. Why was it not a penalty?  :devil:
good point, but would be hard pressed to get that call, any foul in the penalty area is a penalty kick, including off the ball fouls, see shirt pulling on corners etc.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 15, 2011, 08:07:18 AM
i now watch a video of the arsenal reserves best goals

and them reserves making real nice runs off the ball slick unerstanding and passing plenty red shirts attcking the box


what d ass happens to the senior team?

and a youth called luke freeman should be up with the senior team
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Post by: GunnerStunner on August 15, 2011, 08:11:37 AM
and a arsenal.com posted avideo of the squad training today, men on a wamr up jog in twos n threes, but not ah man talking to squillachi

 :rotfl:

ask for a transfer nah man save some face

so no rvp n nasri or wenger for tuesday game
 
i feel we go struggle real bad and probably get rinse

then we facepool  then over to italy then manu
FMT
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: giggsy11 on August 15, 2011, 08:58:30 AM
This is the player to buy. Mario Götze, remember this name for the future


Ay-doh be tryin tuh steal United's next buy. Supposedly United looking to bid 20mil for him.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: giggsy11 on August 15, 2011, 09:02:53 AM
Gervinho take real chain up there. Best not to respond to Joey Barton's thuggery but he new so he probably didn't know. He shouldn't have slap de man though. Before that he look real good. At least he will be rested for the Udinese second leg. Barton went down like a sniper get him. After he get on big and bad to haul up the man. Chain up merchant. I was very disappointed to see all the Arsenal players shaking his hand afterwards. People who don't know about sportsmanship don't deserve to be treated in a sportsmanlike manner.

Hope Song doh eat a ban too. I didn't really think his incident was so bad though. Coulda been intentional, coulda been accidental. Only he know for sure. Maybe a second yellow. Men was up in arms for it though.

Goodbye Cesc, didn't think Barca was going to come up with the cash but they did so thanks for the memories.

Arsenal now have a choice, spend the money on a replacement or try to use more movement and interchanging of passes. Arshavin was the only man who play a killer pass on Saturday. I truly believe he should be playing at #10. He is completely wasted on the wing.

Oh and Gervinho is a borse. Shame he gonna miss the Liverpool and Man U games. Love the "Rick James" comment Giggsy! :rotfl:

We have Michael Jacksin (Nani) and all yuh have Rick James! ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on August 15, 2011, 09:09:23 AM
This is the player to buy. Mario Götze, remember this name for the future


Ay-doh be tryin tuh steal United's next buy. Supposedly United looking to bid 20mil for him.

Dortmund have 3 or 4 outstanding footballers and all young.
CB Hummels, Attack MF Kagawa, Gotze, and Striker Barrios
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 15, 2011, 09:31:04 AM
BVB have Champions League football now. To lose Sahin AND Gotze in the summer before the CL would be suicide.

This is the player to buy. Mario Götze, remember this name for the future


Ay-doh be tryin tuh steal United's next buy. Supposedly United looking to bid 20mil for him.

Dortmund have 3 or 4 outstanding footballers and all young.
CB Hummels, Attack MF Kagawa, Gotze, and Striker Barrios
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Peong on August 15, 2011, 10:59:43 AM
Dortmund will be nice to watch in the CL.

DORTMUND FORWARD lol
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 15, 2011, 12:40:09 PM
here we go!
Newcastle United and Arsenal have been charged by The FA with failing to control their players following Saturday’s (13 August) fixture at St James’ Park.
 
Both clubs have been charged following a mass confrontation of players following an incident in which Arsenal’s Gervinho was also shown a red card in the 75th minute.
 
Following Gervinho’s dismissal Arsenal have today lodged a claim that the standard punishment of a three-match suspension is clearly excessive. A regulatory Commission will hear that claim on 16 August.
 
Meanwhile Arsenal’s Alex Song has been charged separately by The FA with violent conduct following an incident earlier in the same fixture.
 
Both clubs have until 4pm on 18 August to respond to the charge, whilst Song must reply by 6pm on 16 August.

And barton gets away with a facking yellow card!


looks like arsenal will face liverpool with

cheesey
sagna tv lk gibbs
walcott Wilshire Frimpng
RVP Chamakh Walcott

we like to do things the hard effin way

not to forget the champs league quaification eitherside of the pool game
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Post by: giggsy11 on August 15, 2011, 12:52:41 PM
here we go!
Newcastle United and Arsenal have been charged by The FA with failing to control their players following Saturday’s (13 August) fixture at St James’ Park.
 
Both clubs have been charged following a mass confrontation of players following an incident in which Arsenal’s Gervinho was also shown a red card in the 75th minute.
 
Following Gervinho’s dismissal Arsenal have today lodged a claim that the standard punishment of a three-match suspension is clearly excessive. A regulatory Commission will hear that claim on 16 August.
 
Meanwhile Arsenal’s Alex Song has been charged separately by The FA with violent conduct following an incident earlier in the same fixture.
 
Both clubs have until 4pm on 18 August to respond to the charge, whilst Song must reply by 6pm on 16 August.

And barton gets away with a facking yellow card!


looks like arsenal will face liverpool with

cheesey
sagna tv lk gibbs
walcott Wilshire Frimpng
RVP Chamakh Walcott

we like to do things the hard effin way

not to forget the champs league quaification eitherside of the pool game

Dred, did you get a check up tuh see if yuh can handle this new season? We don't need tuh have yuh postin from a hospital bed now, do we?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 15, 2011, 12:54:22 PM
here we go!
Newcastle United and Arsenal have been charged by The FA with failing to control their players following Saturday’s (13 August) fixture at St James’ Park.
 
Both clubs have been charged following a mass confrontation of players following an incident in which Arsenal’s Gervinho was also shown a red card in the 75th minute.
 
Following Gervinho’s dismissal Arsenal have today lodged a claim that the standard punishment of a three-match suspension is clearly excessive. A regulatory Commission will hear that claim on 16 August.
 
Meanwhile Arsenal’s Alex Song has been charged separately by The FA with violent conduct following an incident earlier in the same fixture.
 
Both clubs have until 4pm on 18 August to respond to the charge, whilst Song must reply by 6pm on 16 August.

And barton gets away with a facking yellow card!


looks like arsenal will face liverpool with

cheesey
sagna tv lk gibbs
walcott Wilshire Frimpng
RVP Chamakh Walcott

we like to do things the hard effin way

not to forget the champs league quaification eitherside of the pool game

Dred, did you get a check up tuh see if yuh can handle this new season? We don't need tuh have yuh postin from a hospital bed now, do we?

you doh worry about my dickie ticker! :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 15, 2011, 01:00:06 PM
oh yeah and the away fans at st james park was singing some anti nasri songs

this club needs some unification yes!

disfunctional and losing communication fast
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 15, 2011, 02:56:38 PM
ok enough of the sucky attitude, i needed this kick in the ass....ARSENAL! ARSENAL!


http://www.youtube.com/v/lXAZJ28s1rU
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 15, 2011, 03:43:50 PM
here we go!
Newcastle United and Arsenal have been charged by The FA with failing to control their players following Saturday’s (13 August) fixture at St James’ Park.
 
Both clubs have been charged following a mass confrontation of players following an incident in which Arsenal’s Gervinho was also shown a red card in the 75th minute.
 
Following Gervinho’s dismissal Arsenal have today lodged a claim that the standard punishment of a three-match suspension is clearly excessive. A regulatory Commission will hear that claim on 16 August.
 
Meanwhile Arsenal’s Alex Song has been charged separately by The FA with violent conduct following an incident earlier in the same fixture.
 
Both clubs have until 4pm on 18 August to respond to the charge, whilst Song must reply by 6pm on 16 August.

And barton gets away with a facking yellow card!


looks like arsenal will face liverpool with

cheesey
sagna tv lk gibbs
walcott Wilshire Frimpng
RVP Chamakh Walcott

we like to do things the hard effin way

not to forget the champs league quaification eitherside of the pool game

Dred, did you get a check up tuh see if yuh can handle this new season? We don't need tuh have yuh postin from a hospital bed now, do we?

Next ting Stunner go be pelting water bottle!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: DeSoWa on August 15, 2011, 05:52:25 PM
 ::)

(http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg737/scaled.php?tn=0&server=737&filename=b1rqc.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640)

Big Up!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 16, 2011, 06:42:16 AM
I like how they big up Pat Rice. The real Mr. Arsenal. Joined as a youth team player in 1966 and has been here almost ever since.

ok enough of the sucky attitude, i needed this kick in the ass....ARSENAL! ARSENAL!


http://www.youtube.com/v/lXAZJ28s1rU
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 16, 2011, 09:45:56 AM
bye bye eboue, please take diaby with you
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 16, 2011, 10:05:02 AM
Gone to Galatasaray. A real shame he never lived up to his potential. Was explosive when he joined Arsenal but faded and then lost out to Sagna who just gets better and better. Best of luck Manu.

bye bye eboue, please take diaby with you
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 16, 2011, 10:10:15 AM
Szczesny, Sagna, Vermaelen, Koscielny, Gibbs, Rosicky, Song, Ramsey, Arshavin, Gervinho, Chamakh, Fabianski, Walcott, Chamberlain, Djourou, Jenkinson, Frimpong, Bendtner.

todays squad

hope the line up looks like this:
                 Szczesny
Sagna, Vermaelen, Koscielny, Gibbs
                  Song
Walcott, Ramsey, Frimpong, Chamberlain
                 Gervinho
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Peong on August 16, 2011, 10:22:25 AM
Just an observation.

oh yeah and the away fans at st james park was singing some anti nasri songs

this club needs some unification yes!

disfunctional and losing communication fast

bye bye eboue, please take diaby with you
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 16, 2011, 10:25:02 AM
You wanna give Chamberlain and Frimpong their debuts in a game as important as this?

                Szczesny
Sagna, Vermaelen, Koscielny, Gibbs
                  Song
Walcott, Ramsey, Arshavin, Gervinho
            Chamakh/Bendtner

is how I'd go.

When the hell is Jack fit? We need him back!!!

Szczesny, Sagna, Vermaelen, Koscielny, Gibbs, Rosicky, Song, Ramsey, Arshavin, Gervinho, Chamakh, Fabianski, Walcott, Chamberlain, Djourou, Jenkinson, Frimpong, Bendtner.

todays squad

hope the line up looks like this:
                 Szczesny
Sagna, Vermaelen, Koscielny, Gibbs
                  Song
Walcott, Ramsey, Frimpong, Chamberlain
                 Gervinho
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bourbon on August 16, 2011, 11:25:16 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/yimJ8lNdvjA&
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: sammy on August 16, 2011, 12:45:44 PM
Game going to start. You guys dont seem to excited?  :-\

Wenger, Nasri and VP out
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: mukumsplau on August 16, 2011, 01:32:53 PM
udinese coming into the game..nice...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 16, 2011, 02:07:12 PM
Damn. Second game of the season and we already lose 2 defenders to injury?!? And Udinese like they out for blood now.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: mukumsplau on August 16, 2011, 02:25:14 PM
come on udinese..pepper dem till d 90..get a goal na
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on August 16, 2011, 02:36:23 PM
Gervinho like Long John Silver he eh have no left leg at all.
Chamak look real out of soughts, not involved at all.
Rosinsky also looks out of soughts and I get the feeling his injuries have caught up with him.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 16, 2011, 02:39:11 PM
We probably also missing you-know-who.

Better make those purchases FAST Wenger!

Gervinho like Long John Silver he eh have no left leg at all.
Chamak look real out of soughts, not involved at all.
Rosinsky also looks out of soughts and I get the feeling his injuries have caught up with him.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 16, 2011, 02:43:26 PM
Goddamn! Iz not easy being a Gooner!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: mukumsplau on August 16, 2011, 02:53:09 PM
fire in friuli..udinese are like demonhounds at home
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 16, 2011, 03:28:14 PM
Imagine Carl Jenkinson makes his competitive debut for Arsenal in a must win Champions League game playing out of position after we lose 2 defenders in 9 minutes. This team just blight!

Tell you what though. We played like crap, lost half our defence, conceded 6 corners and still kept a clean sheet. No way that was happening last year!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on August 16, 2011, 06:54:56 PM
Imagine Carl Jenkinson makes his competitive debut for Arsenal in a must win Champions League game playing out of position after we lose 2 defenders in 9 minutes. This team just blight!

Tell you what though. We played like crap, lost half our defence, conceded 6 corners and still kept a clean sheet. No way that was happening last year!

Games like this build character one way or the other!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: fari on August 16, 2011, 07:18:04 PM
Imagine Carl Jenkinson makes his competitive debut for Arsenal in a must win Champions League game playing out of position after we lose 2 defenders in 9 minutes. This team just blight!

Tell you what though. We played like crap, lost half our defence, conceded 6 corners and still kept a clean sheet. No way that was happening last year!

Games like this build character one way or the other!!!

i agree...the run to the final in 06 had men like flamini playing left back!

but i glad jenkinson came on and not that old shitsnake squillaci.     but now with all the injuries he might play on sat...lorddddd     
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: dwn on August 16, 2011, 07:57:00 PM
Imagine Carl Jenkinson makes his competitive debut for Arsenal in a must win Champions League game playing out of position after we lose 2 defenders in 9 minutes. This team just blight!

Tell you what though. We played like crap, lost half our defence, conceded 6 corners and still kept a clean sheet. No way that was happening last year!

Games like this build character one way or the other!!!

i agree...the run to the final in 06 had men like flamini playing left back!

but i glad jenkinson came on and not that old shitsnake squillaci.     but now with all the injuries he might play on sat...lorddddd     

Better Jenkinson than Traore. Song and Gervinho out on Saturday as well.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 17, 2011, 06:35:40 AM
Boy seems like in the eyes of everyman and his dog (or so claims the brit press) arsenal can do no right

Had udinese played manu (or someother more "english" team) the same way and same result they would applaud the english masters of withstanding the italian onslaught especially in light of injuries at the back AND the manager being banned AND missing two starters there would be praise glittered upon them

But no, they choose to focus on the negatives constantly

Anyway I am hoping De Gea is related to Almunia
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 17, 2011, 06:48:48 AM
Boy seems like in the eyes of everyman and his dog (or so claims the brit press) arsenal can do no right

Had udinese played manu (or someother more "english" team) the same way and same result they would applaud the english masters of withstanding the italian onslaught especially in light of injuries at the back AND the manager being banned AND missing two starters there would be praise glittered upon them

But no, they choose to focus on the negatives constantly

Anyway I am hoping De Gea is related to Almunia

I thought I saw a resemblance.

A very good result given the gaps in the squad. Those gaps need filling quickly though. And I am long past caring what the English press thinks. They are all biased against Arsenal anyway. The Guardian's account of the Gervinho/Barton incident was utterly ridiculous:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/aug/13/newcastle-united-arsenal-premier-league (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/aug/13/newcastle-united-arsenal-premier-league)

"That seemed about as exciting as the day was going to get until a fracas in the Newcastle penalty area 14 minutes from the end. Gervinho was lying on the floor attempting to make a meal of minimal contact in a fair challenge by Cheik Tioté when Joey Barton came across to tell him to get on with the game. Gervinho took offence, a scuffle turned into a melee and, amid all the handbags, the Ivorian connected with a girly slap to Barton's temple. Barton probably did not need to fall down as if poleaxed, though he did, and Peter Walton probably did not have to produce a red card, though he did. Barton was given a yellow card, which was possibly slightly harsh, and Alex Song went unpunished after an earlier stamp on Barton, which was caught by the cameras. The Newcastle player was far more sinned against than sinning here, yet in almost identical circumstances, with Barton involved both times, Arsenal went down to 10 men for a second successive season in this fixture. The only difference this time was that Newcastle were not inspired to score four goals."
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 17, 2011, 07:39:59 AM
Boy seems like in the eyes of everyman and his dog (or so claims the brit press) arsenal can do no right

Had udinese played manu (or someother more "english" team) the same way and same result they would applaud the english masters of withstanding the italian onslaught especially in light of injuries at the back AND the manager being banned AND missing two starters there would be praise glittered upon them

But no, they choose to focus on the negatives constantly

Anyway I am hoping De Gea is related to Almunia

I thought I saw a resemblance.

A very good result given the gaps in the squad. Those gaps need filling quickly though. And I am long past caring what the English press thinks. They are all biased against Arsenal anyway. The Guardian's account of the Gervinho/Barton incident was utterly ridiculous:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/aug/13/newcastle-united-arsenal-premier-league (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/aug/13/newcastle-united-arsenal-premier-league)

"That seemed about as exciting as the day was going to get until a fracas in the Newcastle penalty area 14 minutes from the end. Gervinho was lying on the floor attempting to make a meal of minimal contact in a fair challenge by Cheik Tioté when Joey Barton came across to tell him to get on with the game. Gervinho took offence, a scuffle turned into a melee and, amid all the handbags, the Ivorian connected with a girly slap to Barton's temple. Barton probably did not need to fall down as if poleaxed, though he did, and Peter Walton probably did not have to produce a red card, though he did. Barton was given a yellow card, which was possibly slightly harsh, and Alex Song went unpunished after an earlier stamp on Barton, which was caught by the cameras. The Newcastle player was far more sinned against than sinning here, yet in almost identical circumstances, with Barton involved both times, Arsenal went down to 10 men for a second successive season in this fixture. The only difference this time was that Newcastle were not inspired to score four goals."

i have a four letter english word to describe that  journalist
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on August 17, 2011, 07:59:15 AM
I saw this african dude from udinese absolutely sprint through the defense ... what is it about our covering that allows one man to go through the entire defense  from one angle?
You'd never see that with Man u and chelsea and the defense stand up and watch song chase the man down from midfield .. I say papa yo.
I hearing talk about hazard but im not sure he is the kind of player you need in the middle we need a creative spark a man who could link play to the forwards and keep possession a controller and we obviously need a defender .. I like the kid jenkinson he can play stopper and wingback.. we ned that type not so sure Samba would fill that role ...him against them speedy africans yesterday woulda get kill.
They need latas!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 17, 2011, 08:56:20 AM
I saw this african dude from udinese absolutely sprint through the defense ... what is it about our covering that allows one man to go through the entire defense  from one angle?
You'd never see that with Man u and chelsea and the defense stand up and watch song chase the man down from midfield .. I say papa yo.
I hearing talk about hazard but im not sure he is the kind of player you need in the middle we need a creative spark a man who could link play to the forwards and keep possession a controller and we obviously need a defender .. I like the kid jenkinson he can play stopper and wingback.. we ned that type not so sure Samba would fill that role ...him against them speedy africans yesterday woulda get kill.
They need latas!!

That was Pablo Armero on the break. Yeah de man is a beast. Catch the 2 centre backs square. Schoolboy mistake on their part.

The player you are describing is Wilshere. We missing him bad. Arshavin is better at creating and shooting from deep but doesn't keep the ball so well.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 17, 2011, 08:59:23 AM
Imagine Carl Jenkinson makes his competitive debut for Arsenal in a must win Champions League game playing out of position after we lose 2 defenders in 9 minutes. This team just blight!

Tell you what though. We played like crap, lost half our defence, conceded 6 corners and still kept a clean sheet. No way that was happening last year!

Games like this build character one way or the other!!!

i agree...the run to the final in 06 had men like flamini playing left back!

but i glad jenkinson came on and not that old shitsnake squillaci.     but now with all the injuries he might play on sat...lorddddd     

Better Jenkinson than Traore. Song and Gervinho out on Saturday as well.

So Frimpong has to play as the sole holder against Liverpool and Man U now. Lord! Talk about baptism of fire!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Andre on August 17, 2011, 10:49:10 AM
conspiracy against arsenal!

Arsenal midfielder Alex Song will miss his club's next three Premier League matches after accepting an FA charge of violent conduct following Saturday's opening league game at Newcastle United.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 17, 2011, 11:15:12 AM
Nah we look fuh dat, plus yuh notice how many more cards we getting yet we labeled as a sorf side

We created our own mess
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 17, 2011, 11:24:17 AM
f**k off and go Nasri

I know I said fire wenger if we're lose cesc n sell nasri to epl competition now I just want the twat gone.

Plus this is season is a turning point for wenger. Last chance saloon, at the OK Emirates
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: DeSoWa on August 17, 2011, 12:15:06 PM
conspiracy against arsenal!

Arsenal midfielder Alex Song will miss his club's next three Premier League matches after accepting an FA charge of violent conduct following Saturday's opening league game at Newcastle United.

How much of a match ban did Rooney get for that elbow last year again?  ;)

Big Up!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 17, 2011, 01:29:03 PM
conspiracy against arsenal!

Arsenal midfielder Alex Song will miss his club's next three Premier League matches after accepting an FA charge of violent conduct following Saturday's opening league game at Newcastle United.
Well, to be fair, he accepted the charges when they gave him a chance to contest them. I guess we'll find out if Frimpong is ready.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: dwn on August 17, 2011, 01:42:05 PM
Boy seems like in the eyes of everyman and his dog (or so claims the brit press) arsenal can do no right

Had udinese played manu (or someother more "english" team) the same way and same result they would applaud the english masters of withstanding the italian onslaught especially in light of injuries at the back AND the manager being banned AND missing two starters there would be praise glittered upon them

But no, they choose to focus on the negatives constantly

Agreed. Arsenal has two defenders injured and keeps a clean sheet, and instead of saying that Jenkinson did well on his debut/Wenger spotted a gem (this is 19 year old straight from the first division), the twist is that we have no depth. Instead of recognizing that Arsenal might actually now have a dependable GK, the twist is that they were lucky not to concede. If it were van der Sar making those saves last season, maybe he would have gotten some credit. When other teams don't play well but win, the reports praise their ability to dig out results on their bad days.

At the end of the day, each version of the story is just as true as the other. I don't think saying that Arsenal were lucky is any less true than saying Szczesny saved them from losing - it's just a matter of perspective. But you're seeing a certain negativity around everything that Arsenal does nowadays. I guess that's what you get when you don't win a trophy in 6 years, and when you throw away the Carling Cup and your strong league position in the fashion Arsenal did last season.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on August 17, 2011, 02:12:39 PM
Szczesny saved them from losing - That is his job! All the time the media going on and on about Arsenal need a keeper. The problem is the same media were critical of this youth and now he showing signs of developing into  a creditable keeper, they can't accept it. Just wait till me he makes one error. The I told you so's will come out.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 17, 2011, 02:28:31 PM
conspiracy against arsenal!

Arsenal midfielder Alex Song will miss his club's next three Premier League matches after accepting an FA charge of violent conduct following Saturday's opening league game at Newcastle United.

How much of a match ban did Rooney get for that elbow last year again?  ;)

Big Up!

ahahahahahaha i forgot too! f**kin united f**king fa
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 17, 2011, 02:41:02 PM
Szczesny saved them from losing - That is his job! All the time the media going on and on about Arsenal need a keeper. The problem is the same media were critical of this youth and now he showing signs of developing into  a creditable keeper, they can't accept it. Just wait till me he makes one error. The I told you so's will come out.
yup! all the papers goen quiet on that front, too busy trying to predict what piece wenger will pick and where he wil put it.

i say let OX loose on liverpool get him fired up no nerves just thirst!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: dwn on August 17, 2011, 04:10:48 PM
Szczesny saved them from losing - That is his job! All the time the media going on and on about Arsenal need a keeper. The problem is the same media were critical of this youth and now he showing signs of developing into  a creditable keeper, they can't accept it. Just wait till me he makes one error. The I told you so's will come out.

You could probably say it's an expectation thing too. People have come to expect Arsenal to drop leads, so when we hold onto one it's lucky. Or people expect Arsenal to out-pass and out-possess opposition so when we don't live up to that, the critics come out. No matter what though, you and GunnerStunner are right. Everyone seems to be waiting for Arsenal to fail so they could attack Wenger.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 17, 2011, 04:25:50 PM
Szczesny saved them from losing - That is his job! All the time the media going on and on about Arsenal need a keeper. The problem is the same media were critical of this youth and now he showing signs of developing into  a creditable keeper, they can't accept it. Just wait till me he makes one error. The I told you so's will come out.

You could probably say it's an expectation thing too. People have come to expect Arsenal to drop leads, so when we hold onto one it's lucky. Or people expect Arsenal to out-pass and out-possess opposition so when we don't live up to that, the critics come out. No matter what though, you and GunnerStunner are right. Everyone seems to be waiting for Arsenal to fail so they could attack Wenger.

yeah but you'd expect that we'd have drawn or lost the game based on previous results in games where we had over 60% possession but went on to lose or draw, so why is it when we get the job done it isnt good enough?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: dwn on August 17, 2011, 09:14:03 PM
Szczesny saved them from losing - That is his job! All the time the media going on and on about Arsenal need a keeper. The problem is the same media were critical of this youth and now he showing signs of developing into  a creditable keeper, they can't accept it. Just wait till me he makes one error. The I told you so's will come out.

You could probably say it's an expectation thing too. People have come to expect Arsenal to drop leads, so when we hold onto one it's lucky. Or people expect Arsenal to out-pass and out-possess opposition so when we don't live up to that, the critics come out. No matter what though, you and GunnerStunner are right. Everyone seems to be waiting for Arsenal to fail so they could attack Wenger.

yeah but you'd expect that we'd have drawn or lost the game based on previous results in games where we had over 60% possession but went on to lose or draw, so why is it when we get the job done it isnt good enough?

Until Arsenal win something or sign a big name, this will continue. Just media hyping the fact that Wenger under pressure from some fans.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: JDB on August 18, 2011, 02:26:20 AM
Sorry to break up the pity party fellas but is the media who was booing Arsenal during a meaningless Preseason game. The media has nothing against Arsenal, they all praise Wenger for his football but rightfully point out failures in his transfer policy.

The media is much more kind to Arsenal than the very vocal Arsenal fans who have been whining and bitching so much about their "6/7 years without..." that it is a running story.

I hear even Gary Neville was defending Wenger from the rabble in a print article.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 18, 2011, 06:39:23 AM
Sorry to break up the pity party fellas but is the media who was booing Arsenal during a meaningless Preseason game. The media has nothing against Arsenal, they all praise Wenger for his football but rightfully point out failures in his transfer policy.

The media is much more kind to Arsenal than the very vocal Arsenal fans who have been whining and bitching so much about their "6/7 years without..." that it is a running story.

I hear even Gary Neville was defending Wenger from the rabble in a print article.

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 18, 2011, 07:20:19 AM
When thierry left he made the announcement himself.

Cesc couldn't get outta here fast enough

Wenger its time to earn so respect for the club and fans by the players. I don't care how much praise they heap on you they all f**king could show respect for the club bar RVP and Tommy V and Jackie Boy

The rest either know they real lucky to be here or indifferent to that fact, see rosicky bendtner

Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 19, 2011, 09:52:08 AM
Arséne Wenger has recast his side following the departure of Cesc Fábregas
The Arsenal Column

http://arsenalcolumn.co.uk/2011/08/15/9374/ (http://arsenalcolumn.co.uk/2011/08/15/9374/)

Few teams have such an idealogical slant as Arséne Wenger’s Arsenal. In a video commemorating the Club’s 125th anniversary, the official website implores fans to explore the “passion, visionary philosophy and belief in youth that the Club inspires.” And certainly, Gus Hiddink believes that Arsenal are still one of the best sides in the world, less perhaps because of their reliance on youth, but mainly due to the attacking way they play football. “It’s true that, today, Barcelona leads the way — as Arsenal has done in the past,” he said in Issue Zero of The Blizzard. “And, in my opinion, still does, even if things haven’t worked their way in the Champions League so far.” However, that was five months ago, before Arsenal’s season imploded in their face like a birthday cake from Sue Sylvester.

Since then, Arsenal have sold off their most distinctive player, Cesc Fábregas. He was the one who was the most synonymous with their style and one who validated their game. Wenger built a system around him to get the best out of his ability to find team-mates that no-one could. Samir Nasri is set to follow and it seems that ideological slant is about to deviate somewhat, focusing less on the tippy-tappy concentrating more on the dynamic.

Arséne Wenger has recast his side following the departure of his captain. They are less focused on possession although it remains a key part to their strengths. However, Wenger’s aims this season are primarily to get the ball forward quickly and pass it with speed. It translates to a more direct approach; in the two games this season against Newcastle and Udinese, Arsenal essentially played with three strikers. Robin van Persie was backed up by Gervinho and Arshavin either side of him in a 4-3-3 formation in the first game and Marouanne Chamakh lined up alongside Theo Walcott and Gervinho at home to Udinese. The result was less passing through the middle and more focus on wing-play. Of course, the upshot of that is that Arsenal’s passing becomes less accurate as shown by the statistics against Udinese. UEFA.com list that The Gunners attempted a total of 546 passes, however, only 69% reached their target; way below their average of around 80%. They also made more fouls than Udinese and took less shots indicating that there may be an ugliness about Arsenal’s play this season.

On the other hand, they were markedly more accurate with the ball against Newcastle but as was often the case last season, they had trouble breaking down the opposition defence. Without players like Fábregas, Samir Nasri and the injured Jack Wilshere, Arsenal not only lose some of their ability to retain possession but incisiveness too. At St. James Park, there was an evident split between midfield and attack highlighting the need for a link player but also the change in emphasis for Arsenal away from the middle and to the flanks.

In the last couple of seasons, Wenger has tended to balance out the wings with one creative player –sometimes referred to as a “half-winger” — and a more dynamic winger the other side. His options this season, though, seem less varied; if Nasri departs it only leaves Arshavin as a player vaguely described a creative winger while Tomas Rosicky will probably get more time in the centre. By playing “strikers on the wings”, Arsenal’s aim is to try and get those two wide forwards behind as quickly and often as possible in an attempt to break down typically obdurate defences they face. One goal thus far in 2011/12 perhaps indicates it is still very much a work in progress but again, for the tactic to work, it is very reliant on the central midfielders to link up the attack. At Newcastle, the distance between midfield and attack was often too large. Aaron Ramsey, playing the playmaker role, likes to drop deep to pick up possession but in doing so, somebody else must occupy the space that he leaves. Tomas Rosicky didn’t and it must be noted Jack Wilshere does this very well therefore the cohesiveness of the whole unit was a bit disjointed. On the plus side, however, the rotation between the three central midfielders does give Arsenal a lot of ambiguity and fluidity and perhaps one of the arguments against Arsenal with Fábregas, no matter how brilliant he was, was that the side were too reliant on him. Now, the three can alternate responsibility.

One of the key differences between the Newcastle and Udinese encounters was Arsenal’s possession and passing accuracy statistics. While The Gunners held the ball for longer in the league, that may be down to the cautiousness of Alan Pardew’s side and the superior tactical nous of the Italians who came to exploit any Arsenal weaknesses.

Possession, as I’ve argued many times, is a form of defence for Arsenal. Indeed, it is for any ball-hungry side. Against Newcastle, by keeping the effectively ball, Arsenal stifled any hint of ambition the Toon Army had. As a result, they looked more secure as a unit although to be fair on the defence, they have been supremely organised these last two games. Wenger, though, lamented the “speed of our passing” in the 0-0 draw as one of the reasons for failing to break Newcastle down so perhaps as a reaction, they tried to raise the intensity of their game against Udinese. They made a breathtaking start, taking the lead in three minutes, but a little concerning was that they never let up. If possession is as much a form of defence as it is attack, they were unable to take the sting from game by holding onto the ball. The fast-paced football inevitably impacted on their ability to keep it for prolonged periods and that always gave Udinese a chance on the break. Perhaps most culpable was Alex Song, who more than just being overly exposed and heavily dependent to maintain Arsenal’s shape, had a pass success of 63%.

The presence of a Wilshere or Fábregas may have helped Arsenal keep Udinese at bay by way of keep-ball and as it turned out, they finally realised the error of their ways and killed off the game in the last twenty minutes. The introduction of Emmanuel Frimpong in that period cannot be understated as he helped Arsenal maintain a 4-2-1-3 shape. Indeed, structure has always remained Arsenal’s biggest weakness as their over-attacking approach tends to require more resources to push forward, leaving gaps at the back and that’s why effective use of the ball is ever more important. It can suffocate teams up the pitch and deny them from springing a quick breakaway. On the other hand, being less reliant of possession does increase Arsenal’s counter-attacking potential and in the absence of so many key players against Liverpool, it may be Arsenal’s best outlet of scoring.

We can probably put down some of the indecision and inaccuracy to the newness of the team and the need to get used to each other. Indeed, one of the reasons Wenger so wants to keep Nasri is that there would be no need to adapt as an understanding is already in place. Nevertheless, if Wenger is hoping to get Arsenal to be more dynamic again, it would still need a heavy dose of technical accuracy therefore the return of Wilshere and possibly a new signing to augment the new approach, cannot come soon enough.
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Post by: GunnerStunner on August 19, 2011, 10:15:47 AM
hmmm ok dansteel give us the foot notes?

possesion is defense
need to make passes faster
3 forwards means trying to get around defense
missing link between mid n attack
maybe give up possession when missing that link to utilse effective counter attacks

what else?
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Post by: GunnerStunner on August 20, 2011, 05:39:29 AM
Will he stay will he go?

Either way nasri starts today and we need him

I hope he plays his ass off

Cheesy
Sagna TV LK CJ
Nasri Ramsey Frimpong
Walcott RVP AA

Sub AA for Ryo
Walcott for Ox

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Post by: giggsy11 on August 20, 2011, 06:37:22 AM
Frimpong look like he have guts-like him. Arsharvin, Walcott, Ramsey killin all yuh. Nasri playing and making challenges-good tuh see.
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Post by: Bitter on August 20, 2011, 07:07:00 AM
Arshavin real pulling stones.
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Post by: Ngozi on August 20, 2011, 07:09:03 AM
Vermaleans touch on the ball and composure is ridiculous .. what a good player!
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Post by: Bitter on August 20, 2011, 07:16:36 AM
Arsenal coming into the game now. The new fellas settle down.
And as I say that, a red card for Frimpong...

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Post by: dinho on August 20, 2011, 07:19:05 AM
Rough on Frimpong, he was having an excellent game along with Jenkinson. Arshavin and Ramsey dragging stones though.
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Post by: Observer on August 20, 2011, 07:23:36 AM
Vermaleans touch on the ball and composure is ridiculous .. what a good player!


Boss Footballer indeed

Never liked Walcott, maybe its me, but he does not score enough goals and his only consistency is making poor decisions in possession.

Frimpong will learn how to compose himself in the tackle, the same way Patrick Viera did when he first arrived (Viera use to get sent off every other game)

Arsenal still need to get numbers in the box
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Post by: Bitter on August 20, 2011, 07:24:53 AM
Rough on Frimpong?
That was a wildman challenge. The first yellow was just dumb.

Now look an own goal.
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Post by: Ngozi on August 20, 2011, 07:25:31 AM
lord .... kos, wilshire, diaby, traore, gibbs, djourou injured , gervinho,  song suspended , cesc, clichy, ebouie transferred nasri on his way out how much activity can any one man make in the transfer market to accomodate this?
I supporting my team all the haters can currently go f**k themselves.
look at that goal!! jeez
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Post by: giggsy11 on August 20, 2011, 07:33:58 AM
As much as I think Walcott should be given a chance to play as a forward I don't think he is good enough to play for Arsenal. I think he is a real dotish footballer who's two assets it appears are his speed and that he is English.
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Post by: Jah Gol on August 20, 2011, 07:35:05 AM
As much as I think Walcott should be given a chance to play as a forward I don't think he is good enough to play for Arsenal. I think he is a real dotish footballer who's two assets it appears are his speed and that he is English.
Well said. He's a dunce .
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Post by: Touches on August 20, 2011, 07:35:51 AM
I real proud of my side...is a reserve team out there and boys became men.

Frimpong is a boss, Vermarlen handle it.

Ignasi and Jenkinson put they best foot forward.

I real pleased.

Come on Wenger get out the cheque book. Fill the gaps...we go survive without cesc and nasri.
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Post by: Ngozi on August 20, 2011, 07:40:13 AM
let me tell you things I don't like ... Arsenal down to 10 men down a goal, lansbury bad tackle the man get ba yellow card and arguing with the referee ... young or old that just stupid ... I feel like walking on the pitch and hitting him a chop slap!!!
Let's see if the true supporters stand up and support Arsene or try and kick him when he and his team is down.
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Post by: GunnerStunner on August 20, 2011, 07:46:54 AM
The team low, fans low, the only lower we can go is relegation.

What is this blight patch we going through? I hope to see some silver lining or even light at the end of the tunnel

Just how low can we slide?   

Up next, udinese licking their lips and manu just can't wait to have a crack at us in this state
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Post by: kicker on August 20, 2011, 07:52:54 AM
Frimpong had a strong game today, but a little more experience would have told him to pull out of that challenge and avoid the red card....That was the turning point of the match.  Up to then Arsenal kept Liverpool at bay and the reds had run out of ideas...The game had tilted completely in Arsenal's favor and it was their game to lose until the red card.  

Was just telling meh partner that Walcott can only function in games where there's plenty of real estate ahead of him to run wild...Other than that his footballing IQ and is way too low, and his technique not good enough to be an impact player.  Arshavin was also very poor today.  Sagna was ok but not comfortable on the left- couldn't get is body around the ball to make full use of the width...Van P was too quiet in the 1st 45 and Ramsey was tired after about 60.  Vermaelen was the classiest gunner on the field by a long shot, and in the end the team just got worn down...Can't fault Wenger for this one- he did the best with what was available to him....
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Post by: Ngozi on August 20, 2011, 07:58:06 AM
I agree with the Frimpong situation he did well probably should have pulled out the tackle I think he was already kinda committed though .... my god they may have to call back schillaci into the squad ... heavens. Will be interesting to see who wenger buys before the window closes this is a rebuilding process!!!
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Post by: Tenorsaw on August 20, 2011, 08:09:10 AM
Good talent in the pipeline, as today's match showed, but Wenger needs to bring in 2-3 impact players that are established.  Arshavin has been disappointing.  I'd ship him out.
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Post by: Ngozi on August 20, 2011, 08:15:28 AM
Unfortunately Arshavin really brings nothing to the team anymore might as well put Ryo out there and see what the youth could do.
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Post by: ckhan on August 20, 2011, 08:17:50 AM
One of the football experts said last year that Walcott did not have a football brain and was sent to the slaughter for it.  I, for one, thought he was a bit harsh but after seeing this youth play time and time again it really makes you wonder.  Wenger surely knows NOW that he needs to spend.  

The Gunners has some real issues!!
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Post by: palos on August 20, 2011, 08:39:33 AM
One of the football experts said last year that Walcott did not have a football brain and was sent to the slaughter for it.  I, for one, thought he was a bit harsh but after seeing this youth play time and time again it really makes you wonder.  Wenger surely knows NOW that he needs to spend.  

The Gunners has some real issues!!

If Wenger was Superman, spending $ would be he kryptonite.
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Post by: giggsy11 on August 20, 2011, 08:51:41 AM
One of the football experts said last year that Walcott did not have a football brain and was sent to the slaughter for it.  I, for one, thought he was a bit harsh but after seeing this youth play time and time again it really makes you wonder.  Wenger surely knows NOW that he needs to spend.  

The Gunners has some real issues!!

That football expert would be Chris Waddle! Maybe that is why Arsene has shuttled Walcott so he can use his speed ( strength) and Cappello tells him to just stay wide. They probably realize he does not have the footballing sense to play as a striker; making runs and reading plays.
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Post by: Daft Trini on August 20, 2011, 09:09:15 AM
like wtf.... arsenal
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Post by: Jah Gol on August 20, 2011, 09:28:21 AM
One of the football experts said last year that Walcott did not have a football brain and was sent to the slaughter for it.  I, for one, thought he was a bit harsh but after seeing this youth play time and time again it really makes you wonder.  Wenger surely knows NOW that he needs to spend.  

The Gunners has some real issues!!

If Wenger was Superman, spending $ would be he kryptonite.
I think he has a degree in economics. He should concentrate on football and leave the finance to the board.
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Post by: fari on August 20, 2011, 09:29:48 AM
I real proud of my side...is a reserve team out there and boys became men.

Frimpong is a boss, Vermarlen handle it.

Ignasi and Jenkinson put they best foot forward.

I real pleased.

Come on Wenger get out the cheque book. Fill the gaps...we go survive without cesc and nasri.


i agree...frimpong grew into the game, for a 19 y. o. making he debut at home against pool he reall handle it.  he maybe should have came off earlier, u could see that he was 1 tackle away from a red.  jenkinson handle it, miquel handle it...vermaelen... :salute: :salute:   that man is a bossss.  
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Post by: president on August 20, 2011, 10:33:49 AM
After FIFTEEN years at the helm this team (and club, by extension) is through and through Wenger's creature and he is responsible for the continuing disaster of the last years - and more to the point, the disaster to come this season. Shedding top players in their prime - Henry, Pires, Ljunberg, Vieira - AND the poor purchase of replacements - Bendtner, Adebayor, Arshavin, must I go on? - AND obstinate reliance on young players (including the ongoing purchase of pubescent juniors), have clearly taken toll and failed to produce TITLES. Ultimately, a football club - at any level - is in business to win titles, not to do business (as necessary as a good business model may be, as we are now seeing with the TT Pro League and its member clubs).

What's the implication of all of this, and the necessary consequence of the Gooners' abject failure win anything for too many years? Arsene Wenger's run is clearly OVER. Wenger OUT!
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Post by: dinho on August 20, 2011, 10:42:34 AM
One of the football experts said last year that Walcott did not have a football brain and was sent to the slaughter for it.  I, for one, thought he was a bit harsh but after seeing this youth play time and time again it really makes you wonder.  Wenger surely knows NOW that he needs to spend.  

The Gunners has some real issues!!

If Wenger was Superman, spending $ would be he kryptonite.
I think he has a degree in economics. He should concentrate on football and leave the finance to the board.

What make you think the board not loving that...

Imagine you have a coach who buying men for under a million pounds and reselling them for 15 million pounds and up. Wenger is good for business.

My grouse is that if Wenger ups and leaves Arsenal tomorrow the board will be forced to open up the wallet because there is not other coach who can work the miracles he has with the resources he is operating with. So why not show some judgement ambition and spend some of that Adebayor, Flamini, Hleb, Toure, Clichy, Fabregas money that they rake into the coffers?

Unless of course the Arsenal business plan calls for it to be a feeder club and they are not in the business of winning trophies.
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Post by: Ngozi on August 20, 2011, 11:02:50 AM
After FIFTEEN years at the helm this team (and club, by extension) is through and through Wenger's creature and he is responsible for the continuing disaster of the last years - and more to the point, the disaster to come this season. Shedding top players in their prime - Henry, Pires, Ljunberg, Vieira - AND the poor purchase of replacements - Bendtner, Adebayor, Arshavin, must I go on? - AND obstinate reliance on young players (including the ongoing purchase of pubescent juniors), have clearly taken toll and failed to produce TITLES. Ultimately, a football club - at any level - is in business to win titles, not to do business (as necessary as a good business model may be, as we are now seeing with the TT Pro League and its member clubs).

What's the implication of all of this, and the necessary consequence of the Gooners' abject failure win anything for too many years? Arsene Wenger's run is clearly OVER. Wenger OUT!

The only thing Arsenal need to lose is supporters like you who can only see one side of the scenario!
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Post by: president on August 20, 2011, 11:05:05 AM
Exactly. The perspective of the board (make money) and that of the fans (win titles) are now poles apart. I have been a Gooner since the captaincy of Frank McClintock - that's the early 1970s to you younger readers  :D. Time over! Wenger out!
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Post by: D.H.W on August 20, 2011, 12:31:22 PM
Wenger out ! I fedup of we only beating alyuh young boys. Time to get some real ballers and give us the rivalry we once had. What coach can stay on a job so long without winning anything? nonsense!
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Post by: president on August 20, 2011, 12:32:37 PM
 :D :D Sadly, I have to agree with a Man U man...
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 20, 2011, 04:52:00 PM
I ent too upset with this result. The injuries and suspensions we having and is a setta backups starting. And the reserve team captain (Miquel). In 3 years Barca going to start talking bout he DNA. Vermaelen was a hero. All game I was thinking "if we had him last season we woulda win a trophy for sure". Jenkinson scrape a pass with his debut but he was struggling and he may be injured too. Sagna use his experience well but the man as one legged as Long John Silver. Koscielny please get back fast? Frimpong, what can I say. Real impressive but 2 rookie tackles from a rookie. He was driving the team forward with his energy. More consistency and better tackling and he may well deserve the "New Essien" tag people give him. RVP didn't do enough, Theo in fairness was double teamed every time he got the ball (remember in the 4-4 with Newcastle he destroy this same left back eh.) but his positioning and off the ball movement were horrible and he didn't make enough runs into the box. I was starting to think he was tired. Yes he is a speed merchant with average technique and not the smartest footballer but I've seen him do better. Hope he learns from this. Arshavin and Ramsey remind me of Chamakh. Start off good but they lose their mojo.

I not expecting much good from Old Trafford next week. Today and next weekend will likely be the weakest Arsenal team we see this season (I hope). Liverpool has cause for concern though. They struggled to win and scored 1) an offside goal and 2) one which directly took advantage of the missing holding midfielder. Even with Suarez on the pitch for them to not create more late in the game isn't a good sign.
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Post by: KND2 on August 20, 2011, 08:10:03 PM
The best thing that can happen to arsenal is to get licks in Italy so that they do not have to play champions league That way they could just focus on the league and maybe get a top 4 finish and hopefully win an FA cup.

Them men they have is cut rate at best and what makes it worst is that they overloaded in some areas like forward with van persie, bentner, chamak, and the new guy who name start with G,

Wengar only playing one of them so nuff men on the bench.

Then when you look on the defense no backups at all.


The midfield has some problems

Ramsey, Rosiky both not cuttting it.

Ramsey gone
Wiltshire is for the future

and song is not world class


Wenger even starting to make bad tactical decisions.

Why put Sanga on the left. and the rookie on the right.

Let Sagna stay on the right so at least you get the attack you used to and let the rookie struggle on the left.

Now both of them struggle and you have nothing going forward.

Wenger buying stupid and selling stupid and because he has history the club treating him as untouchable and that is why men leaving.


Wen you getting senile is time to hang it up.


Arsenal used to have a great passing game.

That was in the past they cannot keep trying to play the same way with these men because these men not cutting it.

It will take them 2 years to rebuild but it will only happen if they buy some good men.

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Post by: Ngozi on August 20, 2011, 08:21:23 PM
The best thing that can happen to arsenal is to get licks in Italy so that they do not have to play champions league That way they could just focus on the league and maybe get a top 4 finish and hopefully win an FA cup.

Them men they have is cut rate at best and what makes it worst is that they overloaded in some areas like forward with van persie, bentner, chamak, and the new guy who name start with G,

Wengar only playing one of them so nuff men on the bench.

Then when you look on the defense no backups at all.


The midfield has some problems

Ramsey, Rosiky both not cuttting it.

Ramsey gone
Wiltshire is for the future

and song is not world class


Wenger even starting to make bad tactical decisions.

Why put Sanga on the left. and the rookie on the right.

Let Sagna stay on the right so at least you get the attack you used to and let the rookie struggle on the left.

Now both of them struggle and you have nothing going forward.

Wenger buying stupid and selling stupid and because he has history the club treating him as untouchable and that is why men leaving.


Wen you getting senile is time to hang it up.


Arsenal used to have a great passing game.

That was in the past they cannot keep trying to play the same way with these men because these men not cutting it.

It will take them 2 years to rebuild but it will only happen if they buy some good men.


Thank god Arsene decisions arent made by you else we deader than dead!  doh make the champions league and lose players who would come because of that plus the 30 million for being part of it
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Post by: Bakes on August 20, 2011, 11:55:46 PM
I ent too upset with this result. The injuries and suspensions we having and is a setta backups starting. And the reserve team captain (Miquel). In 3 years Barca going to start talking bout he DNA. Vermaelen was a hero. All game I was thinking "if we had him last season we woulda win a trophy for sure". Jenkinson scrape a pass with his debut but he was struggling and he may be injured too. Sagna use his experience well but the man as one legged as Long John Silver. Koscielny please get back fast? Frimpong, what can I say. Real impressive but 2 rookie tackles from a rookie. He was driving the team forward with his energy. More consistency and better tackling and he may well deserve the "New Essien" tag people give him. RVP didn't do enough, Theo in fairness was double teamed every time he got the ball (remember in the 4-4 with Newcastle he destroy this same left back eh.) but his positioning and off the ball movement were horrible and he didn't make enough runs into the box. I was starting to think he was tired. Yes he is a speed merchant with average technique and not the smartest footballer but I've seen him do better. Hope he learns from this. Arshavin and Ramsey remind me of Chamakh. Start off good but they lose their mojo.

I not expecting much good from Old Trafford next week. Today and next weekend will likely be the weakest Arsenal team we see this season (I hope). Liverpool has cause for concern though. They struggled to win and scored 1) an offside goal and 2) one which directly took advantage of the missing holding midfielder. Even with Suarez on the pitch for them to not create more late in the game isn't a good sign.

Nah... you seeing things, Enrique had Theo one v one most of the matchups... which was about 4-5 tops.  On one he get some help in turning Theo back.  On another Theo somehow end up vs. Carra and decide to cross the ball to nobody rather than take him on.  Enrique shut him dong by heself, including a couple speed rushes and fake beats by Theo.

I also disagree with Kicker's take that the game had tilted completely in Arsenal's favor... Arsenal never threatened other than on Van Persie's squib shot after Arshavin's two-handed shove of Kelly in the box.  Match was a stalemate.  The red card opened things up, but so too did the play of Suarez... the runs he was making started stretching that back four.  Ultimately it can be argued that the extra space in the middle helped create the chances as well... so it's a chicken or the egg argument on that, but definitely won't say Arsenal had the upper hand at the time of the sending off.

... Frimpong will be fine... and yeah, Vermaelen was boss today.
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Post by: Jah Gol on August 21, 2011, 12:54:57 AM
One of the football experts said last year that Walcott did not have a football brain and was sent to the slaughter for it.  I, for one, thought he was a bit harsh but after seeing this youth play time and time again it really makes you wonder.  Wenger surely knows NOW that he needs to spend.  

The Gunners has some real issues!!

If Wenger was Superman, spending $ would be he kryptonite.
I think he has a degree in economics. He should concentrate on football and leave the finance to the board.

What make you think the board not loving that...

Imagine you have a coach who buying men for under a million pounds and reselling them for 15 million pounds and up. Wenger is good for business.

My grouse is that if Wenger ups and leaves Arsenal tomorrow the board will be forced to open up the wallet because there is not other coach who can work the miracles he has with the resources he is operating with. So why not show some judgement ambition and spend some of that Adebayor, Flamini, Hleb, Toure, Clichy, Fabregas money that they rake into the coffers?

Unless of course the Arsenal business plan calls for it to be a feeder club and they are not in the business of winning trophies.
Yeah same thing I said earlier in this thread. The Board and coach love each other. Wenger gets a board that won't run him after an unsuccessful season and the board gets a very good coach who doesn't ask them to spend much.
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Post by: Observer on August 21, 2011, 06:34:45 AM
seriously how many teams would have coped with all those key players missing!
Wenger has his problems, but yesterday's game has to put into perspective.
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Post by: DeSoWa on August 21, 2011, 09:41:06 AM
Wenger out ! I fedup of we only beating alyuh young boys. Time to get some real ballers and give us the rivalry we once had. What coach can stay on a job so long without winning anything? nonsense!

How long it took Fergie to win ah trophy with MANU? Steups!

DBP.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 21, 2011, 11:01:55 AM
Nah... you seeing things, Enrique had Theo one v one most of the matchups... which was about 4-5 tops.  On one he get some help in turning Theo back.  On another Theo somehow end up vs. Carra and decide to cross the ball to nobody rather than take him on.  Enrique shut him dong by heself, including a couple speed rushes and fake beats by Theo.

I also disagree with Kicker's take that the game had tilted completely in Arsenal's favor... Arsenal never threatened other than on Van Persie's squib shot after Arshavin's two-handed shove of Kelly in the box.  Match was a stalemate.  The red card opened things up, but so too did the play of Suarez... the runs he was making started stretching that back four.  Ultimately it can be argued that the extra space in the middle helped create the chances as well... so it's a chicken or the egg argument on that, but definitely won't say Arsenal had the upper hand at the time of the sending off.

... Frimpong will be fine... and yeah, Vermaelen was boss today.
Really? I counted at least 3 double teamings. I'll have to look agaiin.

I don't think the game was ever truly in Arsenal's favour. Maybe before the red card early in second half when Frimpong had opportunities to run at Liverpool (he was the only midfielder getting time on the ball and I like his attitude, so much better than just playing short sideways passes to more attacking types) it was slightly in their favour.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bakes on August 21, 2011, 12:48:10 PM
Nah... you seeing things, Enrique had Theo one v one most of the matchups... which was about 4-5 tops.  On one he get some help in turning Theo back.  On another Theo somehow end up vs. Carra and decide to cross the ball to nobody rather than take him on.  Enrique shut him dong by heself, including a couple speed rushes and fake beats by Theo.

I also disagree with Kicker's take that the game had tilted completely in Arsenal's favor... Arsenal never threatened other than on Van Persie's squib shot after Arshavin's two-handed shove of Kelly in the box.  Match was a stalemate.  The red card opened things up, but so too did the play of Suarez... the runs he was making started stretching that back four.  Ultimately it can be argued that the extra space in the middle helped create the chances as well... so it's a chicken or the egg argument on that, but definitely won't say Arsenal had the upper hand at the time of the sending off.

... Frimpong will be fine... and yeah, Vermaelen was boss today.
Really? I counted at least 3 double teamings. I'll have to look agaiin.

I don't think the game was ever truly in Arsenal's favour. Maybe before the red card early in second half when Frimpong had opportunities to run at Liverpool (he was the only midfielder getting time on the ball and I like his attitude, so much better than just playing short sideways passes to more attacking types) it was slightly in their favour.

I recorded it and watched the match up with Enrique because he and Lucas were the focus of an article I wrote following the game.  Unfortunately I already deleted it since mih DVR about 93% full.  I could be wrong, but from what I remember there where those 4-5 runs, and really only remember one double team.  There was a second one, but Enrique showed Theo the sideline away from the double, and he took it, with a hesitation dribble.  Enrique didn't bite bite though, he just marshalled him down the flank and cut him off on the endline.

I also thought Frimpong had a really good game, the two chupid cards (and two other wildman tackles) aside.  Nasri seemed largely uninterested.  There was really just one play of note when he dust Lucas and dribbled the length of midfield before shooting wide in the 35'.  I love the little touches dis fella have, but he ent do nutten with it yesterday.  You could tell he done mentally checked out already.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: D.H.W on August 21, 2011, 01:06:46 PM
Wenger out ! I fedup of we only beating alyuh young boys. Time to get some real ballers and give us the rivalry we once had. What coach can stay on a job so long without winning anything? nonsense!

How long it took Fergie to win ah trophy with MANU? Steups!

DBP.

When last alyuh win a trophy? Stueps!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 21, 2011, 01:44:43 PM
I recorded it and watched the match up with Enrique because he and Lucas were the focus of an article I wrote following the game.  Unfortunately I already deleted it since mih DVR about 93% full.  I could be wrong, but from what I remember there where those 4-5 runs, and really only remember one double team.  There was a second one, but Enrique showed Theo the sideline away from the double, and he took it, with a hesitation dribble.  Enrique didn't bite bite though, he just marshalled him down the flank and cut him off on the endline.

I also thought Frimpong had a really good game, the two chupid cards (and two other wildman tackles) aside.  Nasri seemed largely uninterested.  There was really just one play of note when he dust Lucas and dribbled the length of midfield before shooting wide in the 35'.  I love the little touches dis fella have, but he ent do nutten with it yesterday.  You could tell he done mentally checked out already.

Maybe on the Theo aspect. I was looking for it because of the 4-4 at Newcastle and hoping he could repeat the performance.

Maybe Nasri has checked out. I don't think we can properly judge that by watching his performance on the field. Nasri is only a playmaker in his mind. His game is running at defenders. He's not very good in the #10 position in my opinion. Also, there was the moment where Frimpong got his first yellow card and Nasri buff him, that to me says he may not be checked out more than a performance in a spot he wants but isn't suited to. Again, who knows?

I am hoping Frimpong doesn't let this affect him too much. The boy has again looked very good. He was very impressive in preseason last 2 years but blew out his knee last August when he would have come into the side with Wilshere. You are right about his tackling though. Hopefully he will tighten that up in time.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on August 21, 2011, 07:43:31 PM
Fellas Theo is not a winger when will you get it through your heads?
He is always at his best when he runs onto balls played into space for him ... Fabregas used to feed him a steady diet of them.... if you just give him a ball to feet to run at you if he is not obviously faster than you then you have a chance to impede his progress he runs out of ideas but more disappointingly he runs diagonally to the corner flag going away from goal.
Wenger has put him there to learn just like Henry and RVP.
You have to have midfielders aware of their team mates strengths and sadly right now Ramsey isn't one.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 22, 2011, 05:33:51 AM
WTF is going on!!!

Mata signs for Chelsea, no body wants to sign for arsenal, arsenal doh want to pay and now they have to pay cus they need the players and wenger gets 2 more Uefa Bans!

Seriuosly where de ass is d jumbie! When will the madness end?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 22, 2011, 07:19:17 AM
there may be some good news for the unidense game....

Arsène Wenger reported the following team news when he faced the press after the Liverpool game:

on the players who could return against Udinese…
Song and Gervinho [are back from suspension], maybe Wilshere will be back. Djourou has a chance. We have four or five players who could come back.

on Jack Wilshere…
He has a chance to play, yes. He trained on Thursday, Friday and Saturday.

on whether Sebastien Squillaci is available...
No, he has a calf problem.


thank god for small mercies
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 22, 2011, 08:48:35 AM
If I was Wenger, every morning of life I hitting Squillaci a kick in he bad calf!

there may be some good news for the unidense game....

Arsène Wenger reported the following team news when he faced the press after the Liverpool game:

on the players who could return against Udinese…
Song and Gervinho [are back from suspension], maybe Wilshere will be back. Djourou has a chance. We have four or five players who could come back.

on Jack Wilshere…
He has a chance to play, yes. He trained on Thursday, Friday and Saturday.

on whether Sebastien Squillaci is available...
No, he has a calf problem.


thank god for small mercies
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on August 22, 2011, 09:33:55 AM
If I was Wenger, every morning of life I hitting Squillaci a kick in he bad calf!

there may be some good news for the unidense game....

Arsène Wenger reported the following team news when he faced the press after the Liverpool game:

on the players who could return against Udinese…
Song and Gervinho [are back from suspension], maybe Wilshere will be back. Djourou has a chance. We have four or five players who could come back.

on Jack Wilshere…
He has a chance to play, yes. He trained on Thursday, Friday and Saturday.

on whether Sebastien Squillaci is available...
No, he has a calf problem.


thank god for small mercies

lol
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on August 22, 2011, 09:35:44 AM
WTF is going on!!!

Mata signs for Chelsea, no body wants to sign for arsenal, arsenal doh want to pay and now they have to pay cus they need the players and wenger gets 2 more Uefa Bans!

Seriuosly where de ass is d jumbie! When will the madness end?

Not a matter of that! The fact is that Chelsea come in and offered 3 or 4 million more for Mata. All the old talk about wanting to win trophy etc. in the end it boils down to money.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 22, 2011, 11:49:56 AM
I wonder how much of Walcott's poor performance was not also due to the lack of overlapping runs from Jenkinson or accurate passing from central midfield. He's not innocent but there wasn't much team effort to bring him into the game either.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 22, 2011, 02:32:23 PM
WTF is going on!!!

Mata signs for Chelsea, no body wants to sign for arsenal, arsenal doh want to pay and now they have to pay cus they need the players and wenger gets 2 more Uefa Bans!

Seriuosly where de ass is d jumbie! When will the madness end?

Not a matter of that! The fact is that Chelsea come in and offered 3 or 4 million more for Mata. All the old talk about wanting to win trophy etc. in the end it boils down to money.

thats just what i said friend, wenger doh want to pay and when its time to pay they aint have nobody left worth paying for or that want to come over, even per mertwhatshisname saying nah is ok arsene
we cant even find a decent midfielder to supliment the squad farless fill cesc boots and possibly nasri
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on August 22, 2011, 02:47:07 PM
WTF is going on!!!

Mata signs for Chelsea, no body wants to sign for arsenal, arsenal doh want to pay and now they have to pay cus they need the players and wenger gets 2 more Uefa Bans!

Seriuosly where de ass is d jumbie! When will the madness end?

Not a matter of that! The fact is that Chelsea come in and offered 3 or 4 million more for Mata. All the old talk about wanting to win trophy etc. in the end it boils down to money.

thats just what i said friend, wenger doh want to pay and when its time to pay they aint have nobody left worth paying for or that want to come over, even per mertwhatshisname saying nah is ok arsene
we cant even find a decent midfielder to supliment the squad farless fill cesc boots and possibly nasri

seriously 30 million pound for Mata? He is only a theory
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 22, 2011, 02:51:15 PM
WTF is going on!!!

Mata signs for Chelsea, no body wants to sign for arsenal, arsenal doh want to pay and now they have to pay cus they need the players and wenger gets 2 more Uefa Bans!

Seriuosly where de ass is d jumbie! When will the madness end?

Not a matter of that! The fact is that Chelsea come in and offered 3 or 4 million more for Mata. All the old talk about wanting to win trophy etc. in the end it boils down to money.

thats just what i said friend, wenger doh want to pay and when its time to pay they aint have nobody left worth paying for or that want to come over, even per mertwhatshisname saying nah is ok arsene
we cant even find a decent midfielder to supliment the squad farless fill cesc boots and possibly nasri

seriously 30 million pound for Mata? He is only a theory
what else we have left? our competition are constantly adding and building thier squad  while we hope the fair play rules kick in to help us
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on August 22, 2011, 02:58:42 PM
Wesley Sneijder Inter want 24 mil for him  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on August 22, 2011, 07:24:49 PM
WTF is going on!!!

Mata signs for Chelsea, no body wants to sign for arsenal, arsenal doh want to pay and now they have to pay cus they need the players and wenger gets 2 more Uefa Bans!

Seriuosly where de ass is d jumbie! When will the madness end?
This go sound funny but I not seriously sold on this mata dude ... I actually don't mind missing out on him now if we could get a defender , hazard and the defensive nid he going for mvilla ... then I think we ok... I feel mata is a man who would drift out of games if he get lil rough up .... and in my opinion is not worth 30 million pounds. Mertsacker to me is just a long body who could get a head on the ball I feel on the ground he is food... in the current market we had the two best midfielders in he market and it seems we losing both of them... Hazard is the only one available in the market up to their standard.

Not a matter of that! The fact is that Chelsea come in and offered 3 or 4 million more for Mata. All the old talk about wanting to win trophy etc. in the end it boils down to money.

thats just what i said friend, wenger doh want to pay and when its time to pay they aint have nobody left worth paying for or that want to come over, even per mertwhatshisname saying nah is ok arsene
we cant even find a decent midfielder to supliment the squad farless fill cesc boots and possibly nasri

seriously 30 million pound for Mata? He is only a theory
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on August 22, 2011, 07:33:26 PM
I wanted to add this on i suspected as much... i knew Arsene couldn't be as frugal as people made him out to be.

Arsenal FC: Frimpong's Twitter Fight and Arsene Wenger in Dispute with the Board
By Toni Okike(Correspondent) on August 22, 2011 1,854 reads
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Use your ← → (arrow) keys to browse more storiesNext LONDON, ENGLAND - AUGUST 20: Emmanuel Frimpong of Arsenal with the ball during the Barclays Premier League match between Arsenal and Liverpool at the Emirates Stadium on August 20, 2011 in London, England. (Photo by Michael Regan/Getty Images)

Each week begins with optimism in the world of Arsenal and this week will be no different. With crucial ties coming up against Udinese and Manchester United, Arsenal’s season could have a very funny twist if things go wrongly.

With barely two weeks left in the transfer window, Wenger has to delve into the market to search for a player or two because Arsenal is in dire need of manpower that can replace the starting XI when the chips are down. In my opinion, Arsenal needs a centre back, a defensive midfielder and a striker.

The media Vultures picked up where they left off with their endless links and speculations involving Arsenal Football Club. They claim that Olympique Marseille’s boss, Didier Deschamps says that Arsenal is about to bid for Lucho Gonzalez. Lucho is a 30-year-old central midfielder that could do a decent job in the middle of the park for Arsenal and I’m pretty sure that Wenger can get him on the cheap. He has a good passing range and he’s a threat from outside the box.

They’ve also reported that Arsenal is gearing up a £12m bid for Stade Rennais’ Yann M’ Vila. The 21-year old chap is a constant name in Laurent Blanc’s Les Bleus side and he has large reserves of stamina and strength as well as great anticipation skills. Bringing on such a player to pair up with Song in the middle will liberate the likes of Wilshere, Ramsey, TR7 and Nasri to harness their full attacking potential.

Stick sticking with Nasri, his potential oil-rich suitor, Manchester City has has threatened to pull the plug on his potential transfer if Arsenal plays him against Udinese next tomorrow. Wenger could use that game to send a vivid message to Manchester City, Arsenal fans and the Board that he’ll rather use Nasri for an entire season and let him go for free at the end of the campaign.

Moving over to one of my headlines, there are reports surfacing that Arsene Wenger is at loggerheads with the Board over transfer dealings as well as other pending issues in the club. For starters, Wenger and the Board are having a conflict of interests over the contract situation of certain players at the club. Gael Clichy and Samir Nasri have a year left on their deals but Clichy opted for the riches of Manchester City while a cloud of uncertainty surrounds Nasri’s situation and the Board wouldn’t want it to happen again with the players whose contracts are expiring in 2013.

Notable players like Robin van Persie, Thomas Vermaelen and Sebastien Squillaci (thank Heavens) have contracts that will expire in 2013 so new deals are on the cards for the first two (I don’t know about the 3rd). Wenger is willing to give contracts as high as £150,000 per week to these players to bring them at par with the likes of players in rival clubs like Manchester clubs but the Board believes that increasing an £80k per week contract to £100k per week is more than enough. We live in a world where the Yaya’s earn £220k and the Wayne’s earn £250k so its painful to know that the Robin’s are still light years behind them when it comes to pay yet they both play on the same pitch for 90 minutes.

There’s also an issue involving signing players for exorbitant transfer fees but not willing to pay them the wages to match such fees. The Board has told Wenger that he can purchase a player worth £30m (BioHazard of Eden, Karim Karim) but they are not willing to break bank to pay such players huge wages. My question is:

“Is there any player in world football that will be bought for £30m and won’t be paid up to £150,000 every week?”

If you do your research on the likes of Shevchenko in Chelsea as well as those Manchester City boys that came in for such an amount, you’ll find out that they earn good money so I don’t understand why the Board want to become an Uncle Scrooge on such an issue.

It’s clear that Wenger would rather not sign a player at all, than sign someone for a big fee who he considers no better than what Arsenal has. It’s also evident that Wenger has plans for Laurent Koscielny but he has to consider at least one player from Chris Samba, Gary Cahill, Phil Jagielka, Per Mertesacker and Scott Dann because they’ll add to the current depth of his squad.

Koscielny is Vermaelen’s partner in crime at the heart of the defense but he developed a back strain on Saturday and a replacement was needed. Djourou is an injury specialist while Squillaci is a right footed Silvestre so Arsenal had to settle for a 19-year old inexperienced defender that had a hand in Liverpool’s first goal with a poor clearance. This should be the primary reason Wenger should consider signing a center back so I’ll really hope that he’ll get his act right and do what he has to.

Finally, Wenger and the Board as also in a dispute of Samir Nasri’s present situation. The Board wants Wenger to sell Nasri if he doesn’t want to sign a new deal. Wenger has already said that he’ll rather play Nasri throughout this season and let him go for free next summer but the board is more concerned about making that 10m profit not caring if the buyer is a provisional league rival like Man City.

If Alisher Usmanov and Stan Kroenke are still concerned about making all these little greens to add to their shiny greens in their fat accounts at the expense of Wenger, fans shouldn’t point their fingers when things go wrong and when everything spirals out of control.

Not withstanding, Arsenal is in need of 3 players; a center back, a holding midfielder and a striker and I still believe that Wenger would pull the rabbit out of the hat pretty soon.

In other transfer news, Valencia has agreed a £26m move with Chelsea over the services of Arsenal’s transfer target, Juan Mata. This is a very typical Arsenal story so I’m not going to write about it. Names like Ribery, Babel, Smalling and Phil Jones are stuck somewhere in my head, I guess that I’m going to add Mata into the archives.

In your spare time, you can check out my article about 10 football attributes Mata possesses.. It’s worth a read.

The media Vultures have also reported that Arsenal wants to make a £12m move for Mikel Arteta and a £15m move for Mauro Zarate.

Twitter is a social networking application that connects people with common interests together and it also gives them a chance to interact with each other. Just like Facebook, people follow other people for reasons best known to them. You can find any and everybody on Twitter but I’m going to write about a Twitter row that two tweeps got themselves involved in.
CNN’s  Piers Morgan is a bloke that owns a show that has been likened to the great Larry King live but he’s also an Arsenal fan. From time to time, he tweets about the Gunners and he has a lot of people that follow him for reasons best known to them.

When Arsenal lost to Liverpool on Saturday, it was expected that the gooners on Twitter would tweet a thing or two about their disappointment with the loss so Piers Morgan was no different.

Emmanuel Frimpong apologized to the gooners with this tweet:

@EmmanuelF4: “Sorry bout sending off just wanted to give everything to win it was stupid of me nd promise to learn from it.”

Piers Morgan has 1,167,540 followers on Twitter but it seems as if Emmanuel Frimpong ( @EmmanuelF4) is among the 314 †ωεεþs that Mr. Morgan follows so he probably saw Frimpong’s tweet on his time line.

Piers Morgan replied on the tweet:

@piersmorgan: “@EmmanuelF4 I don’t care if you want to look like Mr T’s kid brother. I do care that you got sent off on debut and cost us the match.”

This didn’t go down well with the last Ghanaian Mohican so he replied back at Piers:

@EmmanuelF4: “@piersmorgan if u don’t like my hair its kool but don’t start chatting on twitter like that ur a big man show it”.

When I saw Frimpong’s reply, I got my popcorn and my 3-D glasses ready, because I wasn’t ready to miss a twitfight between two celebrities.

Piers replied:

@piersmorgan: “@EmmanuelF4 You’re a good player, you just need to calm down. On the pitch, and on Twitter. Kind regards, ‘Big Guy’. #Arsenal”

It seemed as if Mr. Morgan was trying to calm things down with this tweet but Frimpong added excess fuel to the fire he was already burning:

@EmmanuelF4: “@piersmorgan U should be ashamed to call urself an arsenal fan all u do is moan about ur team y don’t u do ur job and i will do mine waste”

Piers decided to divert some attention by bringing Jack Wilshere ( @JackWilshere) into the mix:

@piersmorgan: “@JackWilshere I like Frimpong’s aggression and spirit. But I predicted he’d be sent off half an hour before he was. Needs to wise up a bit.”

He still had the time to reply Frimpong:

@piersmorgan: “@EmmanuelF4 Easy, Tiger. Try winning some games (when you’re allowed to play again) and trust me, my mood will soon improve. #Arsenal”

Frimpong wasn’t pleased with his reply so he lashed out at him again:

@EmmanuelF4: “@piersmorgan Come Off twitter and tone that Big Belly.”

Piers tweeted at Wilshere again:

@piersmorgan: “@JackWilshere I rather like @EmmanuelF4 sticking it to me on Twitter. Shows some fire in the belly. And boy, do we we need that. #Arsenal”

He ended it all with:

@piersmorgan: “@EmmanuelF4 I’ll tone down my belly if you tone down your mad tackles. Deal?”

@piersmorgan: “Tell you what @EmmanuelF4 – take all this commendable bravado into Wenger’s office and get him to sign five experienced players, could you?”

From the tweets you’ve read above, you’ll definitely know who the 19-year old is here. When Nasri tweeted about the fans not having respect for him, the gooners on my TL tweeted at him with many tweets that had high contents of profanity but Nasri didn’t reply anyone because there was no need to.

There are some Gunners on Twitter and if you want to get a full list, click here.

I’ve also taken out some time to provide links to the official accounts of some Gunners on Twitter so when you click on the handle, it directs you straight to the Gunner’s Twitter page.

You can follow Wojciech Szczesny  @13Szczesny13, Sebastien Squillaci  @SEBSQUILLACI, Johan Djourou  @JohanDjourou, Bacary Sagna  @sagnaofficial, Jack Wilshere  @JackWilshere, Samir Nasri  @Nanas08, Abou Diaby  @ABOUVDIABY, Aaron Ramsey  @aaronjramsey, Henri Lansbury  @henri_lansbury, Emmanuel Frimpong  @EmmanuelF4 and club captain, Robin van Persie  @Persie_Official.

The quote of the day goes to Syed Zeeshan Haider Gardezi ( @XEIESHAN_GUNNER)

@XEIESHAN_GUNNER: “Man City’s bench cost more than 70m Meanwhile, at the Emirates, Arsenal’s bench costs more than the Arsenal players on it. Wenger Will u Plz Spend  “

I want Wenger to spend, the gooners want Wenger to spend, Piers Morgan wants Wenger to spend…

Even Fabio Capello says that Wenger has to spend

Legend has it that the Pharaoh of Egypt was adamant not to let the people of Isreal go despite various pleas from Moses.

It took the death of his first born son to finally let them go.

Arsene Wenger’s first born son in this case might be his job.

Sayonara.

This article was written by Toni Okike, a writer of an Arsenal blog called Gooner Daily.

You can follow Gooner Daily on Twitter  @goonerdaily. I’ll follow back.

You can also visit Gooner Daily’s Facebook page and click on the like button.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on August 22, 2011, 08:42:24 PM
Piers Morgan has to be one of the biggest jokes in the celebrity world

what a twat
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 23, 2011, 06:56:44 AM
I guess we can sing "Nasri is a c*nt" now.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 23, 2011, 07:16:58 AM
Hope wenger pulls a rabbit or 3 out his tight ass!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bourbon on August 23, 2011, 07:44:33 AM
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Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Andre on August 23, 2011, 07:56:43 AM
look like nasri move confirm.

wenger should try to get back adebayor on a free. he kinda homeless right now.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 23, 2011, 09:25:27 AM
look like nasri move confirm.

wenger should try to get back adebayor on a free. he kinda homeless right now.

A next throw 'way king is the last thing we need. We already trying to sell Bendtner.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on August 23, 2011, 09:45:48 AM
Nah Adebayor could stay away.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: SOBRIQUET on August 23, 2011, 09:54:26 AM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/816918-arsenal-fc-star-defections-put-gunners-youth-philosophy-at-a-crossroads

Arsenal FC: Star Defections Put Gunners Youth Philosophy at a Crossroads

Arsene Wenger must choose a clear direction for Arsenal and fast.  The sale of star skipper Cesc Fabregas along with the club's confirmation that Samir Nasri is joining top four rivals Manchester City, have presented a tricky dilemma for Wenger.

The heart of the issue is simple.  If Wenger is serious about pursuing Premier League and European glory, then money must be spent on established stars.

But if the club remain committed to developing youth, then expectations have to become more realistic in order to reflect this stance.

The existing squad cannot possibly be expected to compete with the big spending Manchester duo and Chelsea.  Arsenal simply do not possess the quality to win enough games to secure the top trophies.

For all the plaudits currently being given to Manchester United, commending their own efforts to go with young talent, the league Champions have still spent close to £50 million this summer.

Their bench for yesterday's customary demolition of Tottenham Hotspur featured Dimitar Berbatov and Javier Hernandez.


The addition of Juan Mata makes facing Chelsea an even more daunting task than usual.  Manchester City have shown in their first two league fixtures the depth of quality attacking resources at Roberto Mancini's disposal.

If Arsenal really expect to challenge alongside these expensively assembled squads, then the Gunners need better players.

Wenger with the support of the board must back their supposed intent with the finances needed to secure superior talent.

Conversely if the club are still focused on operating on a budget and unearthing younger, cheaper talents, then this needs to be reflected more in the first-team squad.

This means that instead of parting with huge fees to find like for like replacements for Fabgregas and Nasri, Arsenal should promote from within.

True youth development means elevating an emerging talent like Kyle Ebecilio or Chuks Aneke.  Not turning to under performing second tier players like Abou Diaby and Tomas Rosicky who have had long enough to convince.

One of the most disappointing aspects of Saturday's defeat to Liverpool was the sight of Nicklas Bendtner entering the fray.


The inconsistent striker has been angling for a move all summer.  But Wenger still turned to the Danish international to replace a very ineffective Theo Walcott.

If Bendtner continues to be the alternative then why buy Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain?  Why go to the trouble of obtaining a work permit for Ryo Miyaichi?

If the philosophy is about giving youngsters a chance then why not go with Chamberlain or Miyaichi?  If Chamberlain is not ready to supplant Bendtner for a league game, then isn't the fee paid for him a waste?

The money spent on Chamberlain could have instead been put towards the purchase of an established player, ready to add something to the starting 11 immediately.

Signing talented players at the age of 17 and holding them back from first team action until their early twenties does not constitute a true youth philosophy.

It is this inconsistency in the club's direction that led to Samir Nasri starting against Liverpool.  Instead of picking a player counting down the days until he jumps ship, a promising youngster could have been given the chance to stake his claim.

Arsenal's incoherent philosophy has left the squad in a state of limbo and created unrealistic and over bearing expectations for success.

To be genuine contenders money will have to be spent.  The arrival of marquee signings means the club will have to live with the resulting delay to the development of youngsters like Aaron Ramsey, Kieran Gibbs and Emmanuel Frimpong.  This will be the price of attaining major honours.

If Arsene Wenger and the board won't or can't engage in lavish spending aimed at a quick fix, then they must temper expectations for the young squad.

Arsenal's contradictory approach to team building has created a worrying malaise.  Trying to claim the sport's biggest prizes with a cheap and insufficient talent base has led to tremendous tension between the club's hierarchy and fans.

Arsene Wenger has to decide on a single, coherent strategy to rebuild his team, or further angry recriminations are in store as the season progresses.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3767634/Ian-Wright-tells-Arsene-Wenger-The-whole-world-can-see-how-low-Arsenal-we-are.html

The whole world can see how low we are, Arsene....


IT is a disturbing image I cannot get out of my mind - Arsene Wenger sitting there soaked to the skin with his head bowed into his hands.
This shocking sight during last Saturday's 2-0 home defeat by Liverpool screamed out such a depressing message about life at Arsenal Football Club today.

Here was an act of desperation, a very worried man sitting there frantically rubbing his head in frustration and exasperation.

A man who looks like he feels the whole world is closing in on him.

A man who is witnessing everything going wrong all around him but who feels utterly powerless to intervene.

It is such a powerful, emotive picture that it will have gone all around the world by now.

Every football fan will have seen it, every football player will have seen it, every football club chairman will have seen it.

Whoever Arsenal go for now in the market it will be at an inflated price. Everyone can see they are desperate.

No wonder Valencia's Juan Mata has just chosen to sign for Chelsea ahead of the Gunners.

It really is a no-brainer for the lad, isn't it?

Let us be honest, any top player would have to think twice about signing for Arsenal right now.

Any top-quality international who had a choice would seriously have to consider going elsewhere and, though I love Arsenal, I can understand it.

Listen, when I had my chance to join them I did not hesitate for a moment.

I was so keen I did not even bother how much was in my contract. I was just happy for my agent to make the deal.

A lot of that was because of the players already there, players proud to wear the red shirt of Arsenal.

But these days it is a totally different story.

I know it is early in the season but, at present, I see Arsenal as a club in freefall.

They are like a skydiver who has just leapt out of a plane and realised his parachute will not deploy.

For me, it seems the whole club's structure is finally reaping what it has sown.

Wenger has had to put so much faith in his youth policy and wanting to prove that he can indeed win with youngsters.

But now he is finding it has become a bridge too far.

It is a sobering situation. The idea Arsenal may not be in the Champions League this season should be unthinkable.

They have been in it every year since it started but this time are having to qualify.


I never thought qualification was a given, especially after the Gunners drew Udinese.

And I am telling you the Italians will really fancy their chances of knocking Arsenal out.

Arsenal may be 1-0 up but Udinese showed at the Emirates they are a very dangerous side who can cause plenty of problems.

They will be even more dangerous at home, especially against a team with so many inexperienced players having to perform under such incredible pressure.

So the fact that Wenger has just been banished to the stands once again for the match is the least of his worries in a game in which so much is at stake.

I think this is the most important game in the whole of Arsene Wenger's tenure at Arsenal.

That is no exaggeration and I have to admit that I am really worried.

It is no secret the club is at a major crossroads. But I have been warning this day would come for years and years.

I have been calling on Wenger and the board to bring in some quality and experience to go alongside all those talented youngsters.

David Villa would have been brilliant for Arsenal.

David Silva would have been brilliant for Arsenal.

Wesley Sneijder would have been brilliant for Arsenal.

Edin Dzeko would have been brilliant for Arsenal.

Phil Jones or Chris Smalling would have been brilliant for Arsenal.

All those players have been available recently and a great club like Arsenal should have been out there competing fiercely for their signatures.

They were not.

And that is why it has come to this - Arsenal now in danger of going out of the Champions League and finishing sixth, seventh or eighth in the Premier League when they are expected to fight for the title.

It gives me no pleasure at all to say that. In fact, it hurts.

I have never said anything derogatory about Arsenal in my life. I have only ever told the truth.

And the truth to me is that the club has let down both the players and the fans.

I am sure when those players signed their contracts at Arsenal, they were expecting to win trophies and compete at the highest level.

I am sure they were also expecting some top-name stars to be signed to help achieve that.

But they have been let down and it is a crying shame.

It has cost the club Thierry Henry, Emmanuel Adebayor, Kolo Toure, Gael Clichy, Cesc Fabregas and probably Samir Nasri too.

Who will be next to leave? Robin van Persie?

Personally, I cannot see Jack Wilshere staying put for long either if the situation does not change.

Like the rest, the England midfielder will be leaving Arsenal for a bigger club where there is more chance of silverware.

And I never thought I would ever hear myself say that!
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Post by: Observer on August 23, 2011, 10:37:15 AM
Arsenal Twitter:

"Cesc leaving Arsenal is like being dumped by a girlfriend that was still in love with her EX.
Na$ri quitting the club is like a girlfriend who went and get fake titts and decided she was into gangbang." 

Still on the floor  :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on August 23, 2011, 10:45:53 AM
Pressure!

Lets see what Mr Under 14 does now
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 23, 2011, 11:38:04 AM
On top of all the crap Arsenal is going through Howard Webb is refereeing the Man United game this weekend. Look nah, just give them the 3 points and save us further injuries please?

All I hoping is Arsenal using up all they bad luck early so we can mash up this year.
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Post by: JDB on August 23, 2011, 11:41:12 AM
seriously how many teams would have coped with all those key players missing!
Wenger has his problems, but yesterday's game has to put into perspective.

I sympathetic to Wenger but why are the players missing, more importantly why are the back-ups a bunch of youths?

Is Wenger not accustomed by now to having players injured? Rosicky play one game and injured. Wneger was crying last season about the stress on Wilshire and the likelihood of injury. And worst of all van Persie gets a big injury every season, Walcott gets two or three small ones. Shouldn’t the back-ups be something better than Chamakh and Bandtner.

Don’t talk for the suspensions. At some  point Arsenal have to take responsibility for the dotish suspension like the one Song pick-up. Even Frimpong for all the praise was tackling poorly from the time the game start. His first card could have come earlier than the throw-in incident. And then Lansbury come on and start to show indiscipline too. Wenger have to take some responsibility for these young players that he developing since small.
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Post by: DeSoWa on August 23, 2011, 12:22:29 PM
On top of all the crap Arsenal is going through Howard Webb is refereeing the Man United game this weekend. Look nah, just give them the 3 points and save us further injuries please?

All I hoping is Arsenal using up all they bad luck early so we can mash up this year.

When it rains, it pours!  Another sending off maybe? :'(

Big Up!
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Post by: JDB on August 23, 2011, 12:29:43 PM
On top of all the crap Arsenal is going through Howard Webb is refereeing the Man United game this weekend. Look nah, just give them the 3 points and save us further injuries please?

All I hoping is Arsenal using up all they bad luck early so we can mash up this year.

When it rains, it pours!  Another sending off maybe? :'(

Big Up!

Arsenal will be alright. They have a habit of beating United when United is better than them. The times they lose is when they play an open game and get hit on the break.

They will be up for the game, focused, compact, physical and ready to hit on the break. Anything could happen.
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Post by: Blue on August 23, 2011, 12:37:42 PM
At this rate this Arsenal squad are one Van Persie injury away from a bottom half finish lol. At best, 6th.
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Post by: GunnerStunner on August 23, 2011, 12:46:26 PM
Look you :rotfl: hush! We don't need anymore bad luck for you to come round with yuh goat mout! Lol
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 23, 2011, 01:28:13 PM
A pardner of mine now tell me Arsenal will destroy United, and qualify for the CL with ease. This will convince Wenger he doh need to strengthen the squad so when March comes around we collapse yet again. Here's hoping!

On top of all the crap Arsenal is going through Howard Webb is refereeing the Man United game this weekend. Look nah, just give them the 3 points and save us further injuries please?

All I hoping is Arsenal using up all they bad luck early so we can mash up this year.

When it rains, it pours!  Another sending off maybe? :'(

Big Up!

Arsenal will be alright. They have a habit of beating United when United is better than them. The times they lose is when they play an open game and get hit on the break.

They will be up for the game, focused, compact, physical and ready to hit on the break. Anything could happen.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Andre on August 23, 2011, 01:34:33 PM
TRANSFER GOSSIP (from de BBC). all these go be good buys IMHO.

Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger has made bids of £15m and more than £20m respectively for Rennes midfielder Yann M'Vila and Lille forward Eden Hazard. The Frenchman may also return to Everton with a fresh approach for defender Phil Jagielka.
Full story: Daily Mirror

The Gunners are reportedly offering striker Nicklas Bendtner to Werder Bremen in a swap deal for experienced centre back Per Mertesacker.
Full story: Caught Offside
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Blue on August 24, 2011, 12:40:12 AM
Look you :rotfl: hush! We don't need anymore bad luck for you to come round with yuh goat mout! Lol

Me?

"Imagine the worst situation - we lose Fabregas and Nasri - you cannot convince people you are ambitious after that. And even if you lose Nasri, to find the same quality player, you have to spend again the same amount of money. Because you cannot say, you lose the player and you do not replace him. I believe for us it is important the message we give out. For example, you talk about Fabregas leaving, Nasri leaving. If you give that message out, you cannot pretend you are a big club, because a big club first of all holds onto its big players and gives a message out to all the other big clubs that they just cannot come in and take away from you."  Arsene Wegner, July 11 2011
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Post by: Bitter on August 24, 2011, 02:12:44 PM
This Wenger fella seems to know a thing or two. I think he might stick around for a while as a manager.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 24, 2011, 02:35:32 PM
This Wenger fella seems to know a thing or two. I think he might stick around for a while as a manager.

No Champions League for Arsenal eh?  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Tweet from Jack Wilshere ''Everyone played their part! And The boss got the team set up well and tatcics were perfect! All those who criticize pipe down now!''
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: DeSoWa on August 24, 2011, 02:42:30 PM
Where the haters at?  :devil:

Big Up!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 24, 2011, 02:58:38 PM
now now

lets get back home travel up north and deal with manu, which i think will be more of a steal a point than try and beat them.

maybe this team just might gel if we can stay out of the red cards and get linesmen who see the offside instead of guessing!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on August 24, 2011, 03:02:49 PM
now now

lets get back home travel up north and deal with manu, which i think will be more of a steal a point than try and beat them.

maybe this team just migth gel if we can stay out of the red cards and get linesmen who see the offside instead of guessing!

gel without Gervinho, Song and Frimpong for the weekend?   ;)

Cant wait for Sunday
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Post by: GunnerStunner on August 24, 2011, 04:12:06 PM
now now

lets get back home travel up north and deal with manu, which i think will be more of a steal a point than try and beat them.

maybe this team just migth gel if we can stay out of the red cards and get linesmen who see the offside instead of guessing!

gel without Gervinho, Song and Frimpong for the weekend?   ;)

Cant wait for Sunday

allyuh looking at arsenal like a fat kid at a all you can eat sweetie shop!


btw i was talking in general terms for the season not the upcoming game against you lot!
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Post by: Observer on August 24, 2011, 06:09:13 PM
Long John Silver ketch everybody with a left footed pass ;D
Walcott on the left, was genius tactics, now when he run right, he heading towards goal  ;D

Seriously some first class goalkeeping today!!!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 24, 2011, 06:53:54 PM
Doh study he. The team on Sunday is probably going to be the weakest Arsenal side you see for the last 5 years, or the next 5. If he gloating over food so he ent worth the aggravation. When they come Emirates and we wash them then he go bawl. And I go laugh.

Feels so good to ram all that "Arsenal not making Champs League" smugness from the haters back down their throats. Can't wait till we qualify for Champions League again next year!

now now

lets get back home travel up north and deal with manu, which i think will be more of a steal a point than try and beat them.

maybe this team just migth gel if we can stay out of the red cards and get linesmen who see the offside instead of guessing!

gel without Gervinho, Song and Frimpong for the weekend?   ;)

Cant wait for Sunday

allyuh looking at arsenal like a fat kid at a all you can eat sweetie shop!


btw i was talking in general terms for the season not the upcoming game against you lot!
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Post by: D.H.W on August 24, 2011, 07:06:07 PM
Where the haters at?  :devil:

Big Up!

Prepare alyuh self for that cut arse Sun eh.  8)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 24, 2011, 10:11:00 PM
“I would like to say the club is in overall a very strong position because for 15 years on the trot we have played in the Champions League. We have a new stadium, and a fantastic training ground, a very strong financial situation and a very strong team. Sometimes you have to take a distance from the catastrophe people have predicted.”

“We live in a society where everyone has an opinion on everything. I'm like someone who flies a plane for 30 years and I have to accept someone can come into the cockpit and think they can fly it better than I do. But that's our job and we have to accept it.”

- Arsene Wenger
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Post by: Peong on August 24, 2011, 10:19:11 PM
“I would like to say the club is in overall a very strong position because for 15 years on the trot we have played in the Champions League. We have a new stadium, and a fantastic training ground, a very strong financial situation and a very strong team. Sometimes you have to take a distance from the catastrophe people have predicted.”

“We live in a society where everyone has an opinion on everything. I'm like someone who flies a plane for 30 years and I have to accept someone can come into the cockpit and think they can fly it better than I do. But that's our job and we have to accept it.”

- Arsene Wenger

If Wenger is like a veteran pilot then Arsenal is like a plane that's in the hangar because the pilot sold the engines and can't find replacements.
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Post by: Ngozi on August 25, 2011, 05:07:28 AM
“I would like to say the club is in overall a very strong position because for 15 years on the trot we have played in the Champions League. We have a new stadium, and a fantastic training ground, a very strong financial situation and a very strong team. Sometimes you have to take a distance from the catastrophe people have predicted.”

“We live in a society where everyone has an opinion on everything. I'm like someone who flies a plane for 30 years and I have to accept someone can come into the cockpit and think they can fly it better than I do. But that's our job and we have to accept it.”

- Arsene Wenger

If Wenger is like a veteran pilot then Arsenal is like a plane that's in the hangar because the pilot sold the engines and can't find replacements.

That whole poetry thing doesnt work for ya does it?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 25, 2011, 06:15:19 AM
“I would like to say the club is in overall a very strong position because for 15 years on the trot we have played in the Champions League. We have a new stadium, and a fantastic training ground, a very strong financial situation and a very strong team. Sometimes you have to take a distance from the catastrophe people have predicted.”

“We live in a society where everyone has an opinion on everything. I'm like someone who flies a plane for 30 years and I have to accept someone can come into the cockpit and think they can fly it better than I do. But that's our job and we have to accept it.”

- Arsene Wenger

If Wenger is like a veteran pilot then Arsenal is like a plane that's in the hangar because the pilot sold the engines and can't find replacements.

That whole poetry thing doesnt work for ya does it?
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Post by: GunnerStunner on August 25, 2011, 07:03:32 AM
“I would like to say the club is in overall a very strong position because for 15 years on the trot we have played in the Champions League. We have a new stadium, and a fantastic training ground, a very strong financial situation and a very strong team. Sometimes you have to take a distance from the catastrophe people have predicted.”

“We live in a society where everyone has an opinion on everything. I'm like someone who flies a plane for 30 years and I have to accept someone can come into the cockpit and think they can fly it better than I do. But that's our job and we have to accept it.”

- Arsene Wenger

If Wenger is like a veteran pilot then Arsenal is like a plane that's in the hangar because the pilot sold the engines and can't find replacements.

That whole poetry thing doesnt work for ya does it?

it pass over he head like ah plane! allez allez
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 25, 2011, 09:11:31 AM
I cyah wait till we beat $amir and his new teammates this year.
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Post by: Touches on August 25, 2011, 09:45:33 AM
Before we feel too good...a win over manu will make wenger say the team safe and he will not buy any players.

A cutarse from them might help him make a purchase or two.

I am hoping for a 1-1 draw this weekend.
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Post by: palos on August 25, 2011, 09:54:55 AM
Would be nice if Wenger could get a player like Hazard.  Lille insistin he not for sale but we've heard that song before.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Blue on August 25, 2011, 01:00:55 PM
Speaking of new signings, Adebayor has just signed for Spurs.
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Post by: Observer on August 25, 2011, 01:17:07 PM
Arsenal beat both ManU and Chelsea last season, so the result in itself is irrelevant. What has always been the question is the strength in depth of Arsenal, to play in all cmpetitions.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 25, 2011, 06:50:45 PM
I agree with what you're saying but United will be HEAVY favorites for this game. With that many players missing and no holding midfielders? Wenger will have his work cut out for him.

Before we feel too good...a win over manu will make wenger say the team safe and he will not buy any players.

A cutarse from them might help him make a purchase or two.

I am hoping for a 1-1 draw this weekend.

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Post by: GunnerStunner on August 25, 2011, 07:35:10 PM
Will be a real test of the defense and the team

If squillachi plays better he play up front and let theo mark in midfield and just chase d ball all day put pressure on manu middle lol
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Post by: Big Magician on August 25, 2011, 07:44:07 PM
Long John Silver ketch everybody with a left footed pass Grin
Walcott on the left, was genius tactics, now when he run right, he heading towards goal  Grin


well observed " Observer"

i only saw this on "highlights"..and said the same...
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Post by: GunnerStunner on August 26, 2011, 06:32:15 AM
Thing is its usually sagna and walcott on the right yet somehow on the left they worked out a few one twos and bam theo in behind

And btw fergie mind games have a new target, the FA and reffs, todays comments will surely have opened up a soft spot in howard webbs granite heart for manu on sunday. 

Still curious who will fill the middle for arsenal, everyone associated with manu probably can't wait for kick off, my money is on somehow manu get cheesey sent off

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Post by: dinho on August 26, 2011, 06:56:34 AM
Oh gawd, spend some money nuh man Arsenal....  Stop being so ming piling and spend some judgement money, bad money, any money!



Arsenal's 'derisory' Cahill bid rejected

http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/premierleague/story/arsenal-derisory-cahill-bid-rejected-by-bolton-082611 (http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/premierleague/story/arsenal-derisory-cahill-bid-rejected-by-bolton-082611)

Bolton manager Owen Coyle has confirmed the club has rejected a "derisory" bid from Arsenal for defender Gary Cahill.

The 25-year-old is entering the final year of his contract at the Reebok Stadium and Gunners boss Arsene Wenger has been consistently linked with the England international.

Wenger is keen to bolster his defensive options - he is also thought to be interested in Everton's Phil Jagielka - and has money available following the departures of Cesc Fabregas and Samir Nasri.

But Coyle says the two clubs are a distance apart in terms of their valuation of Cahill.

He said: "There was a conversation between (Bolton chairman) Phil Gartside and a representative of Arsenal.

"I'm only passing this on as a third party, but the word derisory doesn't even cover it.

"When I make an offer for a player, I'd like to think in the right ball park, but this wasn't even close.

"I spoke to Gary Cahill about it before the Macclesfield game, and he knows everything that's going on."

While Coyle did not confirm how much Arsenal had offered for the player, it is reported that the bid was in the region of £7million ($11.4million).  ???

Coyle also confirmed that defender Marcos Alonso is facing eight to 12 weeks on the sidelines after suffering a broken metatarsal in the midweek Carling Cup win over Macclesfield.

The Spaniard was making his first start since April but joins a defensive injury list that includes Tyrone Mears, Sam Ricketts and Gretar Steinsson.

Coyle said: "Marcos has fractured a bone in his foot and he will have an operation this morning.

"He will be out for eight to 12 weeks, which is a real blow for him because he was starting to get to grips with the English game.

"He had a terrific pre-season and was pushing to try to get into the starting line-up."
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 26, 2011, 10:46:07 AM
Agreed, but Wenger in his pregame press conference said:

"That number is completely wrong. If Gartside can say I am lying I am ready to confront him.. You can believe Gartside or you can believe me. It’s not right. It’s not the truth.

“The truth is that we never speak about our negotiations. If a club doesn’t want to sell a player it can keep him. When we sign a player we come out here and tell you and keep the price a secret”
"

Oh gawd, spend some money nuh man Arsenal....  Stop being so ming piling and spend some judgement money, bad money, any money!



Arsenal's 'derisory' Cahill bid rejected
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on August 26, 2011, 11:06:36 AM
Agreed, but Wenger in his pregame press conference said:

"That number is completely wrong. If Gartside can say I am lying I am ready to confront him.. You can believe Gartside or you can believe me. It’s not right. It’s not the truth.

“The truth is that we never speak about our negotiations. If a club doesn’t want to sell a player it can keep him. When we sign a player we come out here and tell you and keep the price a secret”
"

Oh gawd, spend some money nuh man Arsenal....  Stop being so ming piling and spend some judgement money, bad money, any money!



Arsenal's 'derisory' Cahill bid rejected


I feel like that is closer to the truth!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: DeSoWa on August 26, 2011, 12:04:13 PM
Where the haters at?  :devil:

Big Up!

Prepare alyuh self for that cut arse Sun eh.  8)

Doh worry bout we nah..we are prepared for anything Howard Webb have for us...hope you guys are ready for a shocker!  ;D

Big Up!
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Post by: dwn on August 26, 2011, 12:23:44 PM
Before we feel too good...a win over manu will make wenger say the team safe and he will not buy any players.

He might say that to the reporters but we know he don't actually believe that.
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Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on August 26, 2011, 12:24:16 PM
by offering that shit figure Arsenal will now have no chance of signing Cahill as the Chairman and Wenger are in a battle

DUMB f**kS
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on August 26, 2011, 01:13:08 PM
by offering that shit figure Arsenal will now have no chance of signing Cahill as the Chairman and Wenger are in a battle

DUMB f**kS

No such thing as no chance ... he could leave for nothing next season if they are to get anything for him its this season .... and he is not worth $17 million pounds!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Peong on August 26, 2011, 03:42:14 PM
Write off this season, there's no way Wenger could put together a squad to compete in EPL and CL.
Wenger gonna have to concentrate on a top 4 finish so he could attract players who want CL ball, and start working on transfer targets for next year.
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Post by: Observer on August 26, 2011, 08:50:30 PM
Seriously! In allyuh opinion What is Cahill worth??? He has played a grand total of 3 exhibition games for England and plays for Bolton.
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Post by: JDB on August 26, 2011, 09:27:46 PM
Seriously! In allyuh opinion What is Cahill worth??? He has played a grand total of 3 exhibition games for England and plays for Bolton.

Value is relative and with Cahill having one year left is all about how much he wants to move. If he started to agitate with Bolton his price would go down.

But if Oxlade Chamberlain is 12M plus add ons, and he not even ready to play Cahill should be at least that much. Also if you look at other players who move with one year left on their contract - Young-16M, Nasri-24M, big money does pass.

12-15M is a reasonable figure to pay considering how much Arsenal needs quality defenders.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on August 27, 2011, 12:03:23 AM
Seriously! In allyuh opinion What is Cahill worth??? He has played a grand total of 3 exhibition games for England and plays for Bolton.

Value is relative and with Cahill having one year left is all about how much he wants to move. If he started to agitate with Bolton his price would go down.

But if Oxlade Chamberlain is 12M plus add ons, and he not even ready to play Cahill should be at least that much. Also if you look at other players who move with one year left on their contract - Young-16M, Nasri-24M, big money does pass.

12-15M is a reasonable figure to pay considering how much Arsenal needs quality defenders.

15 would do it for me

12 plus add ons would probably get it done

Stop being cheap... you would offer 8 for Jagielka and 6-7 for Cahill but offer 22 million pounds for a 21 year old playing for Rennes??

Arsenal finishing 6th


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Post by: GunnerStunner on August 27, 2011, 06:54:31 AM
Shoo fly shoo! Lol
Its more than just the fee you have to look at wage demands and how it fits into your wage structure, plus don't take bolton word for what we offered 
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Post by: Observer on August 27, 2011, 07:35:49 AM
Shoo fly shoo! Lol
Its more than just the fee you have to look at wage demands and how it fits into your wage structure, plus don't take bolton word for what we offered 

Exactly! Look at what Rednap said this morning and I believe him because he is close with Fergie. Nasri could have gone to ManU, but nah he went to City because of $$$$, even though he knows his playing could potentially be limited. He should ah call Adebayor before he went. Adebayor spend two years at City and play 34 games, Flamini went to Milan 3 years now and play only 76 games, Hleb, where is he  ???
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Feliziano on August 27, 2011, 08:34:22 AM
Wenger just on games, he feel he is some sort of smartman..look how much money he make for the board by selling Fabregas, Nasri, Adebayor, Toure etc in the last couple seasons
I believe Bolton when they say the offer was derisory..just look at what he offered for Jagielka..steups
he should know English players go for premium price whether they good or average.

I with Small Mag with 15 million as a decent price
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on August 27, 2011, 09:44:24 AM
Wenger just on games, he feel he is some sort of smartman..look how much money he make for the board by selling Fabregas, Nasri, Adebayor, Toure etc in the last couple seasons
I believe Bolton when they say the offer was derisory..just look at what he offered for Jagielka..steups
he should know English players go for premium price whether they good or average.

I with Small Mag with 15 million as a decent price

15 Million Pounds??? Allyuh serious. ManU sell Pique to Barca for 4 million rising to 6 mil based on appearances and allyuh saying Cahill worth 15 mil. Dam! Which Central defenders moved this year for that kind of dollars.
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Post by: giggsy11 on August 27, 2011, 09:58:10 AM
Wenger just on games, he feel he is some sort of smartman..look how much money he make for the board by selling Fabregas, Nasri, Adebayor, Toure etc in the last couple seasons
I believe Bolton when they say the offer was derisory..just look at what he offered for Jagielka..steups
he should know English players go for premium price whether they good or average.

I with Small Mag with 15 million as a decent price

15 Million Pounds??? Allyuh serious. ManU sell Pique to Barca for 4 million rising to 6 mil based on appearances and allyuh saying Cahill worth 15 mil. Dam! Which Central defenders moved this year for that kind of dollars.

Phill Jones for 16.
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Post by: giggsy11 on August 27, 2011, 10:05:54 AM
Shoo fly shoo! Lol
Its more than just the fee you have to look at wage demands and how it fits into your wage structure, plus don't take bolton word for what we offered 

Exactly! Look at what Rednap said this morning and I believe him because he is close with Fergie. Nasri could have gone to ManU, but nah he went to City because of $$$$, even though he knows his playing could potentially be limited. He should ah call Adebayor before he went. Adebayor spend two years at City and play 34 games, Flamini went to Milan 3 years now and play only 76 games, Hleb, where is he  ???

Nasri full of shite! Oh he went City because he wants to make history! I wish these players for once would be honest and say it was for the money! For Rooney it was about money when he threatened to leave United talking about he wants to 'join a team with ambition' ie Citeh! Still don't think Nasri did enough to help Arsenal win some of the games they ended up losing. He showed no leadership skills and was a passenger; at least Van Persie fights and is consistent in his efforts. Nasri sometimes played like he was disinterested in doing his job!
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Post by: palos on August 27, 2011, 10:07:23 AM
Wenger just on games, he feel he is some sort of smartman..look how much money he make for the board by selling Fabregas, Nasri, Adebayor, Toure etc in the last couple seasons
I believe Bolton when they say the offer was derisory..just look at what he offered for Jagielka..steups
he should know English players go for premium price whether they good or average.

I with Small Mag with 15 million as a decent price

15 Million Pounds??? Allyuh serious. ManU sell Pique to Barca for 4 million rising to 6 mil based on appearances and allyuh saying Cahill worth 15 mil. Dam! Which Central defenders moved this year for that kind of dollars.

LOL!  Who is Gary Cahill again?

15 Million pounds?  Peeps well out to lunch yes.

Now if yuh was to tell meh is Per Mertesacker yuh torkin about, ah would say dat closer....but even still...dat high.
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Post by: Peong on August 27, 2011, 10:27:59 AM
Nasri full of shite! Oh he went City because he wants to make history! I wish these players for once would be honest and say it was for the money! Still don't think Nasri did enough to help Arsenal win some of the games they ended up losing. He showed no leadership skills and was a passenger; at least Van Persie fights and is consistent in his efforts. Nasri sometimes played like he was disinterested in doing his job!

Doh fool yuhself, Man City has a better chance of winning trophies in the near future than Arsenal.
Plus they payin him good.
Man City better on both fronts.
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Post by: fari on August 27, 2011, 10:45:16 AM
out of nowhere!  we sign park chu young...sk's captain

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/14692916.stm



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Post by: fari on August 27, 2011, 11:00:35 AM
plus for all those who bawling 15 million for cahill

here is what a bolton fan said about cahill.  makes a lot of sense to me.


On the Cahill story...for all the Gunners who were screaming at AW yesterday, let me share the opinion of a Bolton Fan. Having said that, I still think he would be a useful adddtion.

http://www.lionofviennasuite.com/201...cted#storyjump

"We've been waiting all summer for the bids for our supposed hot commodity to come in, and it appears one finally has. Last night the rumours were flying, and this morning it was confirmed that Arsenal lodged a bid for Cahill reported to be in the region of £6-7mil. This morning chairman Phil Gartside retweeted something from a fan that read "#arsenal are you taking the piss 6 million for Garry Cahill f**k right off!!! #BWFC #wengerisabell" which was perhaps not the wisest thing to do, but seems to echo what a lot of the fans are saying about this bid. Coyle himself classed the bid as "derisory" this morning in his press conference this morning. Even some reputable journalists have classified the amount as an "insult" to both player and club. It is true that the number is significantly lower than we were expecting, but I personally don't think it is as scandalous as many of my fellow Wanderers do.
The first and foremost reason for this is the fact, which we have been desperately trying to hide, that Cahill simply is not as good as everyone says. Yes, he excelled under Megson at a time when the team needed a player to step up, but I don't think anyone would classify it as difficult to stand out in a Megson team. He does make some incredible clearances, and he does score quite a few goals (in fact, the most out of any defender in the Prem in the last 3 seasons). But he also makes a lot of mistakes, some of which have led to conceded goals (like in our 1-0 loss at home to Liverpool last season). I know that no Bolton fan wants to hear this, but he is massively over-hyped. In a sane market, his value probably would be around £7mil. "


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Post by: Ngozi on August 27, 2011, 01:09:37 PM
I've only seen Wenger buy one bad defender and that is Schillaci.... silvestre came here at the end of his career because he was very good at man united .... out of all the defenders he chose Jagielka ...not a coincidence the man have better defensive skills and he can play a wingback as well ... can any of these guys do that ... people just taking the piss outof Arsene but he goh surprise the bunch of pricks ... the man said he needs three more players  ... he got one .. the south korean captain ... now he looking for his midfielder and his defender and he set...... the midfielder need to be an attacking one.... hopefully it's Eden Hazard.
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Post by: Peong on August 27, 2011, 03:51:48 PM
Yuh think Lille willing to lose Gervinho and Hazard in the same off-season?  The money will have to be real good because that would be asking them to commit club suicide, kinda like losing Fabregas and Nasri at the same time.  Nobody does that shit.
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Post by: fari on August 27, 2011, 04:58:58 PM
Yuh think Lille willing to lose Gervinho and Hazard in the same off-season?  The money will have to be real good because that would be asking them to commit club suicide, kinda like losing Fabregas and Nasri at the same time.  Nobody does that shit.

supposedly we steal the korean from under their noses.  i hearing he went for part 1 of the medical and ent go back for the 2nd part.

i hearing too that joel campbell ent get the work permit and he might go lille or some other club...watch this space
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 27, 2011, 08:40:06 PM
Yuh think Lille willing to lose Gervinho and Hazard in the same off-season?  The money will have to be real good because that would be asking them to commit club suicide, kinda like losing Fabregas and Nasri at the same time.  Nobody does that shit.
Correction. Lille losing Hazard and Gervinho would be like Arsenal losing Fabregas and van Persie. Nasri is a skilled player but he ent no superstar yet. Perspective needed.

And if they hadda spend 15 mil on a centre back get a good one, not some clown who happens to be English. Mertesacker, Albiol, Verthongen. What English centre back besides Terry and Ferdinand worth that kinda money? Not Phil Jones!!!

By the way, Wenger flat out called the 6 million a lie.
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Post by: Jah Gol on August 27, 2011, 08:54:50 PM
Dan, name 1 world class defender you could get for 15 mil.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 28, 2011, 12:11:30 AM
Dan, name 1 world class defender you could get for 15 mil.
I have no idea. I said good, not "world class". Gary Cahill ent worth no 15 mil. Probably Rio and Terry would be worth more than that but what other English defender is? Are there any world class English defenders anyway?

I named 3 defenders (Mertesacker, Albiol, Verthongen) who are better than Cahill and who (according to numerous accounts) are available for 15 mil or less.
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Post by: Observer on August 28, 2011, 04:23:52 AM
I've only seen Wenger buy one bad defender and that is Schillaci.... silvestre came here at the end of his career because he was very good at man united .... out of all the defenders he chose Jagielka ...not a coincidence the man have better defensive skills and he can play a wingback as well ... can any of these guys do that ... people just taking the piss outof Arsene but he goh surprise the bunch of pricks ... the man said he needs three more players  ... he got one .. the south korean captain ... now he looking for his midfielder and his defender and he set...... the midfielder need to be an attacking one.... hopefully it's Eden Hazard.

Like yuh forget Cygan  ::)
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Post by: Ngozi on August 28, 2011, 04:57:07 AM
I've only seen Wenger buy one bad defender and that is Schillaci.... silvestre came here at the end of his career because he was very good at man united .... out of all the defenders he chose Jagielka ...not a coincidence the man have better defensive skills and he can play a wingback as well ... can any of these guys do that ... people just taking the piss outof Arsene but he goh surprise the bunch of pricks ... the man said he needs three more players  ... he got one .. the south korean captain ... now he looking for his midfielder and his defender and he set...... the midfielder need to be an attacking one.... hopefully it's Eden Hazard.

Like yuh forget Cygan  ::)



Oh yeah you're right .....damn he was shocking wasn't he?  Observer we eh getting hazard not after they steal the Korean from under lille nose ....  I think he banking on Wilshire being the creative element in the midfield this season
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Post by: Observer on August 28, 2011, 05:01:56 AM
I've only seen Wenger buy one bad defender and that is Schillaci.... silvestre came here at the end of his career because he was very good at man united .... out of all the defenders he chose Jagielka ...not a coincidence the man have better defensive skills and he can play a wingback as well ... can any of these guys do that ... people just taking the piss outof Arsene but he goh surprise the bunch of pricks ... the man said he needs three more players  ... he got one .. the south korean captain ... now he looking for his midfielder and his defender and he set...... the midfielder need to be an attacking one.... hopefully it's Eden Hazard.

Like yuh forget Cygan  ::)



Oh yeah you're right .....damn he was shocking wasn't he?  Observer we eh getting hazard not after they steal the Korean from under lille nose ....  I think he banking on Wilshire being the creative element in the midfield this season

So be it! But I must admit I am not sold on Park. He was not even consistent as a goal scorer at Monaco (Div2). My choice as a playmaker/ goalscorer would have been Goetz from Dortmund. For me he is one to watch in world football. Also Kolbeinn Sigthorsson from AZ now at Ajax. Ajax get a real diamond here
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Post by: JDB on August 28, 2011, 06:02:36 AM
Dan, name 1 world class defender you could get for 15 mil.
I have no idea. I said good, not "world class". Gary Cahill ent worth no 15 mil. Probably Rio and Terry would be worth more than that but what other English defender is? Are there any world class English defenders anyway?

I named 3 defenders (Mertesacker, Albiol, Verthongen) who are better than Cahill and who (according to numerous accounts) are available for 15 mil or less.

Like I said value is relative. Players transferred within England are always more expensive. This is not news to Arsenal and they have no problem with this rule when charging big money for Kolo Toure.

They also have no Problem doing it for players they want. Gervinho is currently better than Oxlade Camberlain yet he cost the same or less. Clearly they had no problem paying a ridiculous premium for him, why not Cahill?

You can't just decide to not play the market when it suits you.
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Post by: Ngozi on August 28, 2011, 06:05:27 AM
I've only seen Wenger buy one bad defender and that is Schillaci.... silvestre came here at the end of his career because he was very good at man united .... out of all the defenders he chose Jagielka ...not a coincidence the man have better defensive skills and he can play a wingback as well ... can any of these guys do that ... people just taking the piss outof Arsene but he goh surprise the bunch of pricks ... the man said he needs three more players  ... he got one .. the south korean captain ... now he looking for his midfielder and his defender and he set...... the midfielder need to be an attacking one.... hopefully it's Eden Hazard.

Like yuh forget Cygan  ::)



Oh yeah you're right .....damn he was shocking wasn't he?  Observer we eh getting hazard not after they steal the Korean from under lille nose ....  I think he banking on Wilshire being the creative element in the midfield this season

So be it! But I must admit I am not sold on Park. He was not even consistent as a goal scorer at Monaco (Div2). My choice as a playmaker/ goalscorer would have been Goetz from Dortmund. For me he is one to watch in world football. Also Kolbeinn Sigthorsson from AZ now at Ajax. Ajax get a real diamond here


I think Fergie interested in Goetz and what fergie wants fergie gets lol.... I think tactically arsene going defensive in the middle and banking  on wingplay
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Post by: Observer on August 28, 2011, 06:16:37 AM
Dan, name 1 world class defender you could get for 15 mil.
I have no idea. I said good, not "world class". Gary Cahill ent worth no 15 mil. Probably Rio and Terry would be worth more than that but what other English defender is? Are there any world class English defenders anyway?

I named 3 defenders (Mertesacker, Albiol, Verthongen) who are better than Cahill and who (according to numerous accounts) are available for 15 mil or less.

Like I said value is relative. Players transferred within England are always more expensive. This is not news to Arsenal and they have no problem with this rule when charging big money for Kolo Toure.

They also have no Problem doing it for players they want. Gervinho is currently better than Oxlade Camberlain yet he cost the same or less. Clearly they had no problem paying a ridiculous premium for him, why not Cahill?

You can't just decide to not play the market when it suits you.

Why? Its the nature of business! If someone comes in and offers a price for a product and wants it more than you, you sell . If you go to purchase something and you do not think it is worth the value, you do not buy it.
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Post by: palos on August 28, 2011, 07:16:47 AM
I think Fergie interested in Goetz and what fergie wants fergie gets lol....
He wanted Ronaldinho and Adler.

How dat went?
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Post by: Ngozi on August 28, 2011, 08:16:30 AM
I think Fergie interested in Goetz and what fergie wants fergie gets lol....
He wanted Ronaldinho and Adler.

How dat went?

Well the curve eh always perfect!!
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Post by: JDB on August 28, 2011, 09:06:32 AM

Why? Its the nature of business! If someone comes in and offers a price for a product and wants it more than you, you sell . If you go to purchase something and you do not think it is worth the value, you do not buy it.

You miss my point. Arsenal fans can't say that Cahill isn't worth 15 M and then take 15M for Toure and pay 12M fir a league one player who not even ready for the PL.
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Post by: Bitter on August 28, 2011, 09:14:50 AM
This looking like a Carling cup side Arsenal have out there.
They need not renew the arrangement with whoever came up with the blue kit.
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Post by: D.H.W on August 28, 2011, 09:22:29 AM
boom bang!
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Post by: Bitter on August 28, 2011, 09:23:15 AM
Djourou again.
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Post by: Bitter on August 28, 2011, 09:27:03 AM
Sir Alex just speed dial the league - The ref supposed to call soft Penalties for Man U.
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Post by: D.H.W on August 28, 2011, 09:29:07 AM
boom bang! x2
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Post by: Bitter on August 28, 2011, 09:29:15 AM
Cutass!!!
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Post by: Cocorite on August 28, 2011, 09:30:31 AM
Poor penal by Van Pers
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Post by: Bakes on August 28, 2011, 09:38:04 AM
Sir Alex just speed dial the league - The ref supposed to call soft Penalties for Man U.

Don't think there was anything at all soft about it... Evans pull him twice from behind, causing him to lose the ball.



Agree with Cocorite on the penalty.
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Post by: palos on August 28, 2011, 09:41:54 AM
How is Jenkinson an Arsenal player? WTF Wenger????  :o ::)
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Post by: D.H.W on August 28, 2011, 09:42:03 AM
Boom bang x3
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Post by: kicker on August 28, 2011, 09:43:43 AM
Wow Arsenal gettin' bull...
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Post by: Tenorsaw on August 28, 2011, 09:43:50 AM
We need a strong Arsenal and Spurs to make this thing competitive.  They have been atrocious today against two of the Big Six.  Both need to go and bring in at least three players each this week before the window closes.
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Post by: Mango Chow! on August 28, 2011, 09:48:51 AM
Djourou again.

Rel dotish defending......spent his energy uselessly trying to impede welbeck's path to the ball rather than attack the ball himself and at least try to head the ball away from danger......'keeper coulda maybe just come for it himself. Arsene9 and arsenal gettin' de cutarse of a lifetime and one they sure as hell deserve.  Want to play yuh runnin' out a setta cub scouts on a battle field? Yuh go get massacred.
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Post by: Observer on August 28, 2011, 09:50:13 AM
Is it me, or did Arshavin try to get himself sent off (no stomach for the fight)???
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Post by: Ngozi on August 28, 2011, 09:51:34 AM
Me eh even watching that game again .. I going and watch cartoons ... anybody see when Nani breed Jenkinson by the corner .. when I see that I say lawd if yuh out dey put ah hand!!
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Post by: Tenorsaw on August 28, 2011, 09:54:15 AM
Djourou again.

Rel dotish defending......spent his energy uselessly trying to impede welbeck's path to the ball rather than attack the ball himself and at least try to head the ball away from danger......'keeper coulda maybe just come for it himself. Arsene9 and arsenal gettin' de cutarse of a lifetime and one they sure as hell deserve.  Want to play yuh runnin' out a setta cub scouts on a battle field? Yuh go get massacred.

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Ah bet yuh Wenger come up with the Bolton valuation for Cahill.  Dem youngster who trying to screen ball to they GK with men breathing down they back and the ball not in their control. 
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Post by: palos on August 28, 2011, 09:54:39 AM
Is it me, or did Arshavin try to get himself sent off (no stomach for the fight)???
If dat is de case, den he should be banished.

If he have no more stomach for de fight, den he coulda fake a injury.  Pull a hamstring or sumting.  At least let a sub come on rather than leavin yuh team to play with 10 men fuh 60 minutes.

Nah...I cyah believe he would do that deliberately.

BTW...what a shocking piece of defending on that first goal.  Elementary school players know that AS A DEFENDER, YOU CANNOT LET THE BALL DROP IN THE PENALTY AREA.  WTF????

Wenger might have an eye for creative players....but he sure as hell doh have a clue bout defence.
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Post by: Observer on August 28, 2011, 09:55:54 AM
Splash money to Athletic Madrid for Diego Roberto Godín Leal. Proven defender with bottle and can play with his feet as well.
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Post by: Touches on August 28, 2011, 10:05:57 AM
De Gea go be the arsenal hero in this match.

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Post by: Ngozi on August 28, 2011, 10:07:01 AM
Is it me, or did Arshavin try to get himself sent off (no stomach for the fight)???
If dat is de case, den he should be banished.

If he have no more stomach for de fight, den he coulda fake a injury.  Pull a hamstring or sumting.  At least let a sub come on rather than leavin yuh team to play with 10 men fuh 60 minutes.

Nah...I cyah believe he would do that deliberately.

BTW...what a shocking piece of defending on that first goal.  Elementary school players know that AS A DEFENDER, YOU CANNOT LET THE BALL DROP IN THE PENALTY AREA.  WTF????

Wenger might have an eye for creative players....but he sure as hell doh have a clue bout defence.


Arsharvin i dunno i just wont talk bout he ... how can DJourou go from so promising to so bad in one off season???
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Post by: Bitter on August 28, 2011, 10:11:56 AM
Djourou have all the physical attributes to play the position, but he have no clue about how to play the position. He lost and should probably be stalking Vermalen to figure out what to do if he is to be a defender.
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Post by: Mango Chow! on August 28, 2011, 10:16:11 AM
De Gea go be the arsenal hero in this match.



So far he more proving to be de hero fuh de home side.  Dat was a very good save on van Persie volley.
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Post by: JDB on August 28, 2011, 10:19:17 AM
Vermaelen injured again...quel surprise !

Cahill net worth 15m though wonder if they does count ability to actually play games when they considering value.
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Post by: Bitter on August 28, 2011, 10:19:52 AM
I think Arshavin and Walcott were the only 2 in the 1st half who seemed to be up for the game. Unfortunately for Arshavin, that translated into wild tackles.

I also don't think Arsenal is playing badly. They getting beat by great goals. (and Djourou). Jenkinson is doing well, I think.  
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Post by: Bitter on August 28, 2011, 10:24:10 AM
Speaking of great goals...

And Djourou again getting beat and giving up the free kick.
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Post by: Bitter on August 28, 2011, 10:26:50 AM
Licks like fire!
Djourou just leave the man by himself...

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Post by: D.H.W on August 28, 2011, 10:27:41 AM
Men against children
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Post by: Bitter on August 28, 2011, 10:29:52 AM
Pull Djourou now!
He killing allyuh

Doh worry - only 20 more minutes to go...
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Post by: Cocorite on August 28, 2011, 10:30:12 AM
What the heck happen to Arshavin? He stormed the league and faded into a shaddow

Oh gosh now Park added the 6th
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Post by: giggsy11 on August 28, 2011, 10:33:20 AM
What the heck happen to Arshavin? He stormed the league and faded into a shaddow

Oh gosh now Park added the 6th

Arshavin wanted tuh play for Barca!
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Post by: Ngozi on August 28, 2011, 10:34:53 AM
 6 - 2  ......    no composure no tracking no clue ..... please throw away Traore>>>
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Post by: palos on August 28, 2011, 10:35:17 AM
Have to admit.  Smalling looks a really good player
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Post by: Bitter on August 28, 2011, 10:35:47 AM
I think the price on Cahill just went up
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Post by: palos on August 28, 2011, 10:37:24 AM
Wenger very stubborn.

They still wouldn't put a defender on the post

Oh well....maybe they want to give Rooney a hat trick
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Post by: JDB on August 28, 2011, 10:40:02 AM
I guess the media conspiracy against Wenger and Arsenal just score 6 goals at Old Trafford.

They give Arsenal another red card too.
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Post by: JDB on August 28, 2011, 10:41:53 AM
Men against children

"Young men" against infants.
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Post by: palos on August 28, 2011, 10:42:59 AM
Rosicky gone tru

Spend so much money for him.  Injured for a large portion of his time at Arsenal...and frankly ineffectual for most of the rest except for the occasional flash of brilliance.

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Post by: D.H.W on August 28, 2011, 10:44:54 AM
Men against children

"Young men" against infants.
:rotfl: :rotfl:

Arsenal not even giving a fight. Wenger OUT!
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Post by: Mango Chow! on August 28, 2011, 10:45:53 AM
Moderators, I respectfully request that this thread be changed to "ARSENAL BACKWARD". All in favour say "aye". Last season I commented that arsene9 and his "philosophy" (whatever his philosophy can possibly be, at this point) and men tell meh ah was talkin' shit. Watch rooney put away this penalty to reinforce my point. Arsene9 is done! He need to move on and start coaching youth teams since he like lil' boys so much.
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Post by: giggsy11 on August 28, 2011, 10:47:11 AM
Today was just a good time tuh play Arsenal.
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Post by: giggsy11 on August 28, 2011, 10:48:07 AM
What the heck happen to Arshavin? He stormed the league and faded into a shaddow

Oh gosh now Park added the 6th

What happened tuh Aaron Ramsey; wasn't he suppose tuh take over from Fiberglass?
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Post by: giggsy11 on August 28, 2011, 10:49:41 AM
Moderators, I respectfully request that this thread be changed to "ARSENAL BACKWARD". All in favour say "aye". Last season I commented that arsene9 and his "philosophy" (whatever his philosophy can possibly be, at this point) and men tell meh ah was talkin' shit. Watch rooney put away this penalty to reinforce my point. Arsene9 is done! He need to move on and start coaching youth teams since he like lil' boys so much.

Wow! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Wey tuh close it out!
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Post by: Bitter on August 28, 2011, 10:50:34 AM
The man on tv say Man U enforce the follow-on...

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Post by: PantherX on August 28, 2011, 10:52:03 AM
I just want to take the opportunity to thank Arsenal for making me feel better.
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Post by: D.H.W on August 28, 2011, 10:52:39 AM
8 in Alyuh mudder c@?t :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Post by: Tenorsaw on August 28, 2011, 10:53:33 AM
There will be calls for Wenger to go after this result, but the board is behind him - for now!  This is embarassing.  Weakened team or not.
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Post by: giggsy11 on August 28, 2011, 10:54:06 AM
Yo the commentator said 'Arsenal desperately need tuh get on the bus",yes after Park missed that last chance!:rotfl: :rotfl:
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Post by: giggsy11 on August 28, 2011, 10:54:46 AM
I just want to take the opportunity to thank Arsenal for making me feel better.

Yuh back!  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: giggsy11 on August 28, 2011, 10:58:12 AM
Hardluck arsenal fans; we have been there as a club.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: JDB on August 28, 2011, 10:59:35 AM
I think the price on Cahill just went up
I think the price on Cahill just went up

Any team that let Arsenal get players cheap in this next 3 days must be mad. Arsenal take while summer to squeeze Barcelona and City for every last penny. I hope they squeeze they balls in the next 3 days.

Either pay up or play with no back-up left back, bendtner as your back-up forward. And a set of injury prone defenders
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: giggsy11 on August 28, 2011, 11:01:35 AM
I think the price on Cahill just went up
I think the price on Cahill just went up

Any team that let Arsenal get players cheap in this next 3 days must be mad. Arsenal take while summer to squeeze Barcelona and City for every last penny. I hope they squeeze they balls in the next 3 days.

Either pay up or play with no back-up left back, bendtner as your back-up forward. And a set of injury prone defenders

Also arsenal have money after selling players this summer, so of course teams looking tuh get some of that money.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on August 28, 2011, 11:24:42 AM
I'd 8-2 be an Arsenal fan right now

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
I full.. I 8 too much
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: fari on August 28, 2011, 11:25:25 AM
we lost 8-2 but we played without 6 starters...SIX  no team could go old trafford and expect to put up much of a fight with that many starters out.   and for all that we still score 2.   is a big loss and we will lick we wounds and be better for it.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on August 28, 2011, 11:32:18 AM
we lost 8-2 but we played without 6 starters...SIX  no team could go old trafford and expect to put up much of a fight with that many starters out.   and for all that we still score 2.   is a big loss and we will lick we wounds and be better for it.


Fari we lost 8  to 2 anyteam first team or otherwise that loses by 8 goals is done!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: fari on August 28, 2011, 11:42:21 AM
we lost 8-2 but we played without 6 starters...SIX  no team could go old trafford and expect to put up much of a fight with that many starters out.   and for all that we still score 2.   is a big loss and we will lick we wounds and be better for it.


Fari we lost 8  to 2 anyteam first team or otherwise that loses by 8 goals is done!!

yes but what else we could do but back the side.  wenger not going anywhere, u see today how he never changed the tactics.  david frigging platt calling out on the tv what shoulda be done for the free kicks.    jenkinson in waaay over his head.  traore was never a defender of note.     djourou and kos need to be partnered with a strong leader, kos should be with vermaelen, djourou back up or moved up to dm.   reallll problems need to be sorted out.  that swansea game is a must win
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: College on August 28, 2011, 11:44:44 AM
Dear Arsenal,

Just want to thank you from the bottom of my heart..


yours truly
Spurs.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: D.H.W on August 28, 2011, 11:48:17 AM
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Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: College on August 28, 2011, 12:03:39 PM
Hold yuh head up Arsenal. Take some refuge in the fact that Sir Alex and Wenger have faced each other 46 times with Sir Alex winning 21 to Wenger's 16, with 9 draws.... not bad at all


Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 28, 2011, 12:09:46 PM
Nothing to say about my side, the only way is up now!

To all manu "fans" enjoy your "emphatic" "win" over arsenal, but remember this...

You will always suck my balls and kiss my arse
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: ckhan on August 28, 2011, 12:12:17 PM
City of Manchester 13 - North London 3, that is a statement of intent!!

In a way, I am glad that we got this beating. Maybe, just maybe, the board and Wenger will make a u turn on this young talent expose and cheap checky bids for experience players! You gotta pay to play this game!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 28, 2011, 12:13:36 PM
Moderators, I respectfully request that this thread be changed to "ARSENAL BACKWARD". All in favour say "aye". Last season I commented that arsene9 and his "philosophy" (whatever his philosophy can possibly be, at this point) and men tell meh ah was talkin' shit. Watch rooney put away this penalty to reinforce my point. Arsene9 is done! He need to move on and start coaching youth teams since he like lil' boys so much.

You can farck off and die
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 28, 2011, 12:15:41 PM
Dear Arsenal,

Just want to thank you from the bottom of my heart..


yours truly
Spurs.

Yeah! You are bottom of the league!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: asylumseeker on August 28, 2011, 12:29:40 PM
Au revoir Arsene.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Jah Gol on August 28, 2011, 12:36:10 PM
Au revoir Arsene.
Yuh feel ? That board love he.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 28, 2011, 12:38:38 PM
Worst Arsenal defeat in 115 years. Like I said earlier this week, the weakest Arsenal side you have seen for the last 5 years, or will for the next 5. Like I shoulda gone out further. Serious depth issues. Wasn't expecting much but we get chrome from Man U. RvP, what was dat nonsense penalty?

Defensively awful with 1 starter, Midfield awful with 1 starter. Attack ok, when they could get the ball. Ironic that this is the first time in God knows how long we score 2 at Old Trafford (November 1984). Hats off United. By far the better team on the day.

Signings now please Wenger? And no more red cards. Jeezan.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Mango Chow! on August 28, 2011, 01:36:55 PM
Quote from: GunnerStunner lin :rotfl:k=topic=33435.msg763468#msg763468 date=1314555216
Moderators, I respectfully request that this thread be changed to "ARSENAL BACKWARD". All in favour say "aye". Last season I commented that arsene9 and his "philosophy" (whatever his philosophy can possibly be, at this point) and men tell meh ah was talkin' shit. Watch rooney put away this penalty to reinforce my point. Arsene9 is done! He need to move on and start coaching youth teams since he like lil' boys so much.

You can farck off and die


We all gonna die at some point....your team done facked off and died already.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on August 28, 2011, 01:37:20 PM
‎"We got careless at times and they made chances because they still have quality up front. But overall we are very satisfied that we kept the performance levels up." -Arsene Wenger 28/08/2011 after losing 8-2 to Manchester United

Imagine if they were down? would have been 18-2  :devil:

Saw this today too:
From BBC: "Average age of today"s starting 11s: Man Utd 23 v Arsenal 23.6. Quality youth vs Average youth. The Arsenal myth exposed. Case Closed."

Also all the talk of shit Arsenal side etc etc.. yes it was weakened but if we told Arsenal fans that we would field a team with : De Gea, Evans, Jones, Smalling, Anderson, Cleverley and Welbeck before the season they would have licked their lips

8 f**kING 2

Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 28, 2011, 01:49:05 PM
Time to get the real players back. 2 weeks off and some new signings. I sincerely hope Arsenal never fields that weak a team again. Like I said, if United fans want to crow over food let them.

Time to handle our business. And don't hire forking Gary forking Cahill as a solution. M'Vila, Mertesacker and a proper striker (I eh know nuttin bout this Korean fella). Sort it out.

ps. That quote about performance levels was by Ferguson, not Wenger.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Jah Gol on August 28, 2011, 02:00:51 PM
‎"We got careless at times and they made chances because they still have quality up front. But overall we are very satisfied that we kept the performance levels up." -Arsene Wenger 28/08/2011 after losing 8-2 to Manchester United

Imagine if they were down? would have been 18-2  :devil:

Saw this today too:
From BBC: "Average age of today"s starting 11s: Man Utd 23 v Arsenal 23.6. Quality youth vs Average youth. The Arsenal myth exposed. Case Closed."

Also all the talk of shit Arsenal side etc etc.. yes it was weakened but if we told Arsenal fans that we would field a team with : De Gea, Evans, Jones, Smalling, Anderson, Cleverley and Welbeck before the season they would have licked their lips

8 f**kING 2


I quote the wrong manager. My bad. But yeah Wenger was still defending that shit. Stoke wouldn't get 8
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: palos on August 28, 2011, 02:52:56 PM
‎"We got careless at times and they made chances because they still have quality up front. But overall we are very satisfied that we kept the performance levels up." -Arsene Wenger 28/08/2011 after losing 8-2 to Manchester United

Imagine if they were down? would have been 18-2  :devil:

Saw this today too:
From BBC: "Average age of today"s starting 11s: Man Utd 23 v Arsenal 23.6. Quality youth vs Average youth. The Arsenal myth exposed. Case Closed."

Also all the talk of shit Arsenal side etc etc.. yes it was weakened but if we told Arsenal fans that we would field a team with : De Gea, Evans, Jones, Smalling, Anderson, Cleverley and Welbeck before the season they would have licked their lips

8 f**kING 2


I quote the wrong manager. My bad. But yeah Wenger was still defending that shit. Stoke wouldn't get 8

Stoke woulda park de bus.

Arsenal kept playing.

You cannot compare the 2.

Even with the squad that played today, Aresenal would still beat Stoke and most other Prem League teams
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Jah Gol on August 28, 2011, 03:02:44 PM
‎"We got careless at times and they made chances because they still have quality up front. But overall we are very satisfied that we kept the performance levels up." -Arsene Wenger 28/08/2011 after losing 8-2 to Manchester United

Imagine if they were down? would have been 18-2  :devil:

Saw this today too:
From BBC: "Average age of today"s starting 11s: Man Utd 23 v Arsenal 23.6. Quality youth vs Average youth. The Arsenal myth exposed. Case Closed."

Also all the talk of shit Arsenal side etc etc.. yes it was weakened but if we told Arsenal fans that we would field a team with : De Gea, Evans, Jones, Smalling, Anderson, Cleverley and Welbeck before the season they would have licked their lips

8 f**kING 2


I quote the wrong manager. My bad. But yeah Wenger was still defending that shit. Stoke wouldn't get 8

Stoke woulda park de bus.

Arsenal kept playing.

You cannot compare the 2.

Even with the squad that played today, Aresenal would still beat Stoke and most other Prem League teams
Of course they would have parked the bus. The manager should have adjusted his tactics for the men available to him. It doesn't help when players selling guns but the amount of space Man U had was totally unacceptable.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: jamaica2099 on August 28, 2011, 03:35:49 PM
Moderators, I respectfully request that this thread be changed to "ARSENAL BACKWARD". All in favour say "aye". Last season I commented that arsene9 and his "philosophy" (whatever his philosophy can possibly be, at this point) and men tell meh ah was talkin' shit. Watch rooney put away this penalty to reinforce my point. Arsene9 is done! He need to move on and start coaching youth teams since he like lil' boys so much.

You can farck off and die

GunnerStunner. As a diehard Gunners fan like you. Keep the faith and don't stoop to their level. It's better for all the pain to happen now after only 3 games. Rather than the past 4 seasons where we started off with a bang and ended with whimpers by April.
To all the Gunners whom have given up. KEEP THE FAITH! :bringiton: :challenge: :salute: :salute: :salute:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bakes on August 28, 2011, 03:38:15 PM
I quote the wrong manager. My bad. But yeah Wenger was still defending that shit. Stoke wouldn't get 8

Seems to me Wenger is walking a thin line trying to be realistic and trying to not say anything to further undermine his squad's confidence.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Peong on August 28, 2011, 03:55:51 PM
‎"We got careless at times and they made chances because they still have quality up front. But overall we are very satisfied that we kept the performance levels up." -Arsene Wenger 28/08/2011 after losing 8-2 to Manchester United

Imagine if they were down? would have been 18-2  :devil:

Saw this today too:
From BBC: "Average age of today"s starting 11s: Man Utd 23 v Arsenal 23.6. Quality youth vs Average youth. The Arsenal myth exposed. Case Closed."

Also all the talk of shit Arsenal side etc etc.. yes it was weakened but if we told Arsenal fans that we would field a team with : De Gea, Evans, Jones, Smalling, Anderson, Cleverley and Welbeck before the season they would have licked their lips

8 f**kING 2


I quote the wrong manager. My bad. But yeah Wenger was still defending that shit. Stoke wouldn't get 8

Stoke woulda park de bus.

Arsenal kept playing.

You cannot compare the 2.

Even with the squad that played today, Aresenal would still beat Stoke and most other Prem League teams

Parkin the bus woulda been the smart thing to do. What did Arsenal gain by not doing that?
Pity maybe but not respect.

Oh yeah ah nearly forget.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: jamaica2099 on August 28, 2011, 04:21:40 PM
‎"We got careless at times and they made chances because they still have quality up front. But overall we are very satisfied that we kept the performance levels up." -Arsene Wenger 28/08/2011 after losing 8-2 to Manchester United

Imagine if they were down? would have been 18-2  :devil:

Saw this today too:
From BBC: "Average age of today"s starting 11s: Man Utd 23 v Arsenal 23.6. Quality youth vs Average youth. The Arsenal myth exposed. Case Closed."

Also all the talk of shit Arsenal side etc etc.. yes it was weakened but if we told Arsenal fans that we would field a team with : De Gea, Evans, Jones, Smalling, Anderson, Cleverley and Welbeck before the season they would have licked their lips

8 f**kING 2


I quote the wrong manager. My bad. But yeah Wenger was still defending that shit. Stoke wouldn't get 8

Stoke woulda park de bus.

Arsenal kept playing.

You cannot compare the 2.

Even with the squad that played today, Aresenal would still beat Stoke and most other Prem League teams

Parkin the bus woulda been the smart thing to do. What did Arsenal gain by not doing that?
Pity maybe but not respect.

Oh yeah ah nearly forget.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
Because Arsenal believes in playing football instead of non-football even with a depleted team. Thus the reason for ManU not able to keep a clean sheet against the Gunners. The Gunners were not afraid to fall on the grenade.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Football supporter on August 28, 2011, 04:23:26 PM
I'd 8-2 be an Arsenal fan right now

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
I full.. I 8 too much

Classic Wazza!!  :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: mukumsplau on August 28, 2011, 04:28:03 PM
ph lawwwd sorry ah miss dis game..quite in guanapo gorges i hearin arsenal gettin peppa...

i tort it was only in trinidad but like arsenal hadda go in before 9-2!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: D.H.W on August 28, 2011, 04:50:02 PM
ph lawwwd sorry ah miss dis game..quite in guanapo gorges i hearin arsenal gettin peppa...

i tort it was only in trinidad but like arsenal hadda go in before 9-2!!


 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 28, 2011, 08:47:38 PM
All ah allyuh manu and anti arsenal shithounds can go f**k yourselves then each other!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Peong on August 28, 2011, 09:04:46 PM
All ah allyuh manu and anti arsenal shithounds can go f**k yourselves then each other!


As hard as Man U bull Arsenal today?
‎"We got careless at times and they made chances because they still have quality up front. But overall we are very satisfied that we kept the performance levels up." -Arsene Wenger 28/08/2011 after losing 8-2 to Manchester United

Imagine if they were down? would have been 18-2  :devil:

Saw this today too:
From BBC: "Average age of today"s starting 11s: Man Utd 23 v Arsenal 23.6. Quality youth vs Average youth. The Arsenal myth exposed. Case Closed."

Also all the talk of shit Arsenal side etc etc.. yes it was weakened but if we told Arsenal fans that we would field a team with : De Gea, Evans, Jones, Smalling, Anderson, Cleverley and Welbeck before the season they would have licked their lips

8 f**kING 2


I quote the wrong manager. My bad. But yeah Wenger was still defending that shit. Stoke wouldn't get 8

Stoke woulda park de bus.

Arsenal kept playing.

You cannot compare the 2.

Even with the squad that played today, Aresenal would still beat Stoke and most other Prem League teams

Parkin the bus woulda been the smart thing to do. What did Arsenal gain by not doing that?
Pity maybe but not respect.

Oh yeah ah nearly forget.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
Because Arsenal believes in playing football instead of non-football even with a depleted team. Thus the reason for ManU not able to keep a clean sheet against the Gunners. The Gunners were not afraid to fall on the grenade.

How can you call it football if they try to attack but don't defend?
Sorry but attack-only is not football.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: kicker on August 28, 2011, 09:26:40 PM
Not every team built to park the bus like that...Easy tuh say they "shoulda....." when yuh watching on TV...don't think it's that straight forward.

Arsenal was undermanned, outclassed and clearly lacking confidence.... And Man U was def up for this game too - they moved very well off the ball - still a little vulnerable at the back if you ask me, but their attacking triangles were impressive...Was a tough day for the gunners - so it go sometimes.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: JDB on August 29, 2011, 06:59:05 AM
I quote the wrong manager. My bad. But yeah Wenger was still defending that shit. Stoke wouldn't get 8

Stoke woulda park de bus.

Arsenal kept playing.

You cannot compare the 2.

Even with the squad that played today, Aresenal would still beat Stoke and most other Prem League teams

Allyuh men head in the clouds yes. Stoke would play how Stoke does play. Huth, Shawcross and Woodgate are better players than everybody in that Arsenal backline. Koscielny have some potential but he is lightweight. Djourou had a spell last year where everybody say he turn the corner

It real funny how Arsenal and Arsenal fans does turn they nose up at these types of players and then play Traore and Djourou. You telling me these types of players would have no value in this Arsenal squad?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on August 29, 2011, 07:25:26 AM
I quote the wrong manager. My bad. But yeah Wenger was still defending that shit. Stoke wouldn't get 8

Stoke woulda park de bus.

Arsenal kept playing.

You cannot compare the 2.

Even with the squad that played today, Aresenal would still beat Stoke and most other Prem League teams

Allyuh men head in the clouds yes. Stoke would play how Stoke does play. Huth, Shawcross and Woodgate are better players than everybody in that Arsenal backline. Koscielny have some potential but he is lightweight. Djourou had a spell last year where everybody say he turn the corner

It real funny how Arsenal and Arsenal fans does turn they nose up at these types of players and then play Traore and Djourou. You telling me these types of players would have no value in this Arsenal squad?


Traore is currently being sold... good move he is very bad!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: mukumsplau on August 29, 2011, 07:43:20 AM
anyone see rosicky on the replay of rooney's first free kick goal?? d man cudnt give an ass whats going on
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: doc on August 29, 2011, 08:18:08 AM
Congrats to the Red Devils! Absolutely superb performance.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 29, 2011, 09:22:17 AM
Congrats to the Red Devils! Absolutely superb performance.

Didn't think they were superb. Good yes but more that the Gunners were abject.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: asylumseeker on August 29, 2011, 11:18:34 AM
Not every team built to park the bus like that...Easy tuh say they "shoulda....." when yuh watching on TV...don't think it's that straight forward.

Arsenal was undermanned, outclassed and clearly lacking confidence.... And Man U was def up for this game too - they moved very well off the ball - still a little vulnerable at the back if you ask me, but their attacking triangles were impressive...Was a tough day for the gunners - so it go sometimes.

There is merit in what you say.

In addition, it's really easy to be seduced by the score ... yet, the scoreline could have been 8-6 or 7-5.

I think the Arsenal players never overtly dropped their heads. In this regard, van Persie showed leadership and professionalism in the way he conducted himself and approached the game. In my view, Rosicky was lacking and Arshavin was egotistical.

On the confidence issue, I don't sense that Arsenal's young guns lacked confidence per se ... some of them showed a hunger to go after the game. I think instead of fretting on the sidelines (a now common sight), Mr. Wenger should have orchestrated the obvious adjustments that were lacking and assisted with integrating his players into the game. Players feed off the energies of a coach and his renditions seemed already focused on how he would handle post-game questions.

 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: asylumseeker on August 29, 2011, 11:33:25 AM
Au revoir Arsene.
Yuh feel ? That board love he.

Granted, and for fairly sound reasons. However, the consequence of yesterday's loss is that a coalition of influential voices in opposition to him staying in place has definitely concretized. Whereas before much of their opposition could be categorized as based on philosophical differences, yesterday's loss provided a substantive basis on which to refute a couple prongs of his philosophy.

At the end of the day, I think one of Mr. Wenger's legacies is going to be that he took an expansive view of the role of a manager vis-a-vis the expenditure of pounds sterling ... a role that has not been embraced by many traditional British managers ... yet one that ultimately may redefine somewhat the managerial function and expectation.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: kicker on August 29, 2011, 11:41:19 AM
Congrats to the Red Devils! Absolutely superb performance.

Didn't think they were superb. Good yes but more that the Gunners were abject.

Yuh real begrudging hoss lol...Yuh colleck 8!- and some very nice looking goals too.  Seen alot of teams play very poorly- not many collect 8 - Even as depleted as Arsenal is, Man U will play lesser teams this season and not score 8, so yuh hadda props when they due...they were superb on the day.   
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 29, 2011, 11:48:00 AM
Congrats to the Red Devils! Absolutely superb performance.

Didn't think they were superb. Good yes but more that the Gunners were abject.

Yuh real begrudging hoss lol...Yuh colleck 8!- and some very nice looking goals too.  Seen alot of teams play very poorly- not many collect 8 - Even as depleted as Arsenal is, Man U will play lesser teams this season and not score 8, so yuh hadda props when they due...they were superb on the day.   
How is it begrudging to say the Gunners were abject? United weren't superb. They were good. They were made to look better than good by ridiculously bad defending from Arsenal. Anyway I guess it's a matter of opinion but I really doh see how I could use the word "abject" and have it considered begrudging.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Jah Gol on August 29, 2011, 11:52:27 AM
Au revoir Arsene.
Yuh feel ? That board love he.

Granted, and for fairly sound reasons. However, the consequence of yesterday's loss is that a coalition of influential voices in opposition to him staying in place has definitely concretized. Whereas before much of their opposition could be categorized as based on philosophical differences, yesterday's loss provided a substantive basis on which to refute a couple prongs of his philosophy.

At the end of the day, I think one of Mr. Wenger's legacies is going to be that he took an expansive view of the role of a manager vis-a-vis the expenditure of pounds sterling ... a role that has not been embraced by many traditional British managers ... yet one that ultimately may redefine somewhat the managerial function and expectation.
This is not the first time there have been calls for head and he always come out. The relationship between him and the board is complementary. I get what you're saying , they could very well use him as a fall guy. But I figure it will be very difficult to find a better manager who will be that fiscally conservative which is what they live by at Arsenal.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: kicker on August 29, 2011, 11:58:58 AM
How is it begrudging to say the Gunners were abject? United weren't superb. They were good. They were made to look better than good by ridiculously bad defending from Arsenal. Anyway I guess it's a matter of opinion but I really doh see how I could use the word "abject" and have it considered begrudging.

It's the whole tone of "they weren't that good, we were just bad"....comes off a lil begrudging  ;D  

Point is, as badly as Arsenal played, a merely good side may still not have scored 8.  It ain't easy to score 8 goals in a game even against poor opposition...Some of those goals were pretty memorable too...

Defensively Man U didn't look airtight, so you could argue that it wasn't a 100% complete performance, but it still hard tuh begrudge them the superb accolades.  Picture it if it was the other way around and be objective...How would you describe Arsenal's performance?  Just "good"? I doubt!!

But as you say, superb is subjective...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: mukumsplau on August 29, 2011, 12:01:33 PM
abject or no abject...its 8...a rare occurence though...it hadda happen at least once ah season...i think with liverpool's resurgence and mancity storming the leage, this practically signals arsenal's suspension from the 'top 4'

doh even think norwich cud collect that

cue the Count

http://www.youtube.com/v/L5bqMDGWXO8
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: E-man on August 29, 2011, 12:13:23 PM
Reminds me...

http://www.youtube.com/v/XtwPTMr_akU
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 29, 2011, 12:17:21 PM
It's the whole tone of "they weren't that good, we were just bad"....comes off a lil begrudging  ;D  

Point is, as badly as Arsenal played, a merely good side may still not have scored 8.  It ain't easy to score 8 goals in a game even against poor opposition...Some of those goals were pretty memorable too...

Defensively Man U didn't look airtight, so you could argue that it wasn't a 100% complete performance, but it still hard tuh begrudge them the superb accolades.  Picture it if it was the other way around and be objective...How would you describe Arsenal's performance?  Just "good"? I doubt!!

But as you say, superb is subjective...

Fair enough. I think I'm pretty critical of Arsenal's team when I look at their performances but I am probably not the best person to judge that. I'd be willing to say United's attack was superb but as an overall team performance (Arsenal also had a couple good scoring chances) I'd say good, even very good.

It was a big loss for us (worst since 1927) but I had come in expecting one, although not that bad. Like I said a few days ago, that was the weakest Arsenal team (on paper) we have seen in the last 5 years and probably the weakest we will see for the next 5. I could probably go even further and say that was the weakest Arsenal team I have ever seen including the period between GG leaving and Wenger taking over, although I ent no expert.

abject or no abject...its 8...a rare occurence though...it hadda happen at least once ah season...i think with liverpool's resurgence and mancity storming the leage, this practically signals arsenal's suspension from the 'top 4'

doh even think norwich cud collect that

Honestly I don't really see Liverpool as a convincing challenger for the top 4, granted neither is Arsenal at this stage. Thing is, this is pretty much rock bottom as far as Arsenal is concerned so they will probably only get better from here. Judging from the Arsenal v Liverpool game, with a team only a bit stronger than this week (until Frimpong got sent off) Pool not much better than that Arsenal side, which was also a weak one.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: D.H.W on August 29, 2011, 12:22:49 PM
Reminds me...

http://www.youtube.com/v/XtwPTMr_akU


Yorke = Legend  :salute:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: asylumseeker on August 29, 2011, 12:50:26 PM
Au revoir Arsene.
Yuh feel ? That board love he.

Granted, and for fairly sound reasons. However, the consequence of yesterday's loss is that a coalition of influential voices in opposition to him staying in place has definitely concretized. Whereas before much of their opposition could be categorized as based on philosophical differences, yesterday's loss provided a substantive basis on which to refute a couple prongs of his philosophy.

At the end of the day, I think one of Mr. Wenger's legacies is going to be that he took an expansive view of the role of a manager vis-a-vis the expenditure of pounds sterling ... a role that has not been embraced by many traditional British managers ... yet one that ultimately may redefine somewhat the managerial function and expectation.
This is not the first time there have been calls for head and he always come out. The relationship between him and the board is complementary. I get what you're saying , they could very well use him as a fall guy. But I figure it will be very difficult to find a better manager who will be that fiscally conservative which is what they live by at Arsenal.

I gather that Piers Morgan has called for Wenger's removal and that he's suggested Martin O'Neill as a replacement.

To get a sense of where Arsene is coming from google "financial fair play rules" and "wenger". You'll see a trajectory of interesting quotes from Wenger ... he's an activist. It's said that Arsenal is positioned to benefit from the FFPR and that this provides Wenger with a modicum of insulation.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Peong on August 29, 2011, 01:09:07 PM
Dansteel your posts have me crackin up, yuh hardcore.  Maybe delusional but def. hardcore.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 29, 2011, 01:15:19 PM
Dansteel your posts have me crackin up, yuh hardcore.  Maybe delusional but def. hardcore.
Gooner since 1991. Don't see how delusional though. I thought I was pretty even handed. But then if I was delusional I wouldn't see it, would I? ;D

 :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on August 29, 2011, 01:25:20 PM
Dansteel meant to say 'Absent'  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 29, 2011, 02:07:07 PM
Dansteel meant to say 'Absent'  ;D
Hehehe. Actually abject is bad enough. Absent might be nicer:

ab·ject
adjective
1. utterly hopeless, miserable, humiliating, or wretched: abject poverty.
2. contemptible; despicable; base-spirited: an abject coward.
3. shamelessly servile; slavish.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: fitzinho on August 29, 2011, 02:28:17 PM
Reminds me...

http://www.youtube.com/v/XtwPTMr_akU


Yorke = Legend  :salute:
Anybody watch the interview with Arsene at the end...had me rolling  :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Jah Gol on August 29, 2011, 03:03:12 PM
Au revoir Arsene.
Yuh feel ? That board love he.

Granted, and for fairly sound reasons. However, the consequence of yesterday's loss is that a coalition of influential voices in opposition to him staying in place has definitely concretized. Whereas before much of their opposition could be categorized as based on philosophical differences, yesterday's loss provided a substantive basis on which to refute a couple prongs of his philosophy.

At the end of the day, I think one of Mr. Wenger's legacies is going to be that he took an expansive view of the role of a manager vis-a-vis the expenditure of pounds sterling ... a role that has not been embraced by many traditional British managers ... yet one that ultimately may redefine somewhat the managerial function and expectation.
This is not the first time there have been calls for head and he always come out. The relationship between him and the board is complementary. I get what you're saying , they could very well use him as a fall guy. But I figure it will be very difficult to find a better manager who will be that fiscally conservative which is what they live by at Arsenal.

I gather that Piers Morgan has called for Wenger's removal and that he's suggested Martin O'Neill as a replacement.

To get a sense of where Arsene is coming from google "financial fair play rules" and "wenger". You'll see a trajectory of interesting quotes from Wenger ... he's an activist. It's said that Arsenal is positioned to benefit from the FFPR and that this provides Wenger with a modicum of insulation.
You're right, I can think of at least 3 interviews where he used that term. He is an activist. Imagine their transfer record is only 15 million pounds for Andrei Arshavin.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: kicker on August 29, 2011, 03:24:16 PM
Wenger is a good manager - he's proven that.  He just lacking quality right now.

His philosophy hasn't gotten him to the top of the heap in a while but he's consistently a top 3 team up until last season... I think calls for his head are harsh, but in the modern game I guess it's all about trophies...spend money and win trophies.   

Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: giggsy11 on August 29, 2011, 04:05:21 PM
Sagna was smart-he came down with the Old Trafford flu! :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: kaliman2006 on August 29, 2011, 04:29:44 PM
Reminds me...

http://www.youtube.com/v/XtwPTMr_akU


Yorke = Legend  :salute:
Anybody watch the interview with Arsene at the end...had me rolling  :rotfl:

Yeah I saw that. His expression during that game back in 2001 was the same as his expression during the unfortunate events of Sunday's match. His hair was not as gray then, but the expression on his face was the same.

Ironically, he went on to preside over that legendary Arsenal team of 2003-04.

Perhaps a similar resurgence is in the offing.....
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 29, 2011, 04:35:27 PM
Reminds me...

http://www.youtube.com/v/XtwPTMr_akU


hear defener names i forgot about each time they were poor, stephanos and grimandi AND manniger was in goal, i remmber that day ANOTHER day when arsenal depleted by INJURIES


seems to me the obvious issues INJURIES and RIGHT NOW players arsene seems to over look
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: giggsy11 on August 29, 2011, 04:48:04 PM
anyone see rosicky on the replay of rooney's first free kick goal?? d man cudnt give an ass whats going on

Ah watching it over-Rosicky look like he decided tuh take a walk once he heard the crowd roar! All he was missin was the bump in he walk!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Jahyouth on August 29, 2011, 05:13:09 PM
Posted by Arsenal Transfers on August 29th, 2011
 
The first of what should be a flurry of signings tomorrow and before deadline day is André Santos. The 28 year old Brazilian will be signed from Fenerbache for around £6million and will give our left back role some much needed experience. He is 1.80 metres / 5ft 11 inches and has made 52 appearances for the Turkish club, scoring 10 goals. An excellent rate for a left back! However, lets hope he can defend first and foremost, then attack.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OQv7x_DDkw&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: palos on August 29, 2011, 05:16:00 PM
SOURCE (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/8729940/Arsenal-begin-rebuilding-process-with-signing-of-Brazil-left-back-Andre-Santos.html)

Arsenal begin rebuilding process with signing of Brazil left-back Andre Santos
Arsenal agreed a £6.2 million fee last night with Fenerbahce for the Brazil left-back Andre Santos and have also made an enquiry for Chelsea midfielder Yossi Benayoun.

(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01983/andre-santos_1983419c.jpg)
 
With the transfer window closing tomorrow at 11pm, Arsene Wenger has begun taking decisive steps to try and strengthen a squad that was horribly exposed during Sunday’s 8-2 defeat against Manchester United.

A £4 million deal for South Korea striker Park Chu-Young – who is due to return to home to complete his national service in three years’ time – is likely to be announced today. It is understood that the initial fee for Chu-Young is as little as £2.5 million but could rise significantly according to add-ons, one of which is dependent on Park being excused his national service.

Arsenal are also poised to announce the signing of Santos, with Wenger having yesterday sanctioned the departure of Armond Traore to Queens Park Rangers .

Traore endured a particularly torrid afternoon during the Manchester United defeat and, while Kieran Gibbs is expected back from injury after the international break, Wenger has decided that he wants more experience in the left-back position.

Santos, 28, has the reputation as an attacking full-back and has made 22 senior appearances for the Brazil national team. He has the experience of playing in the Champions League and has been part of trophy-winning teams for both club and country.

As well as Santos and Chu-Young, Wenger also wants to add another defender and midfielder before tomorrow night. The interest in Benayoun is a slight surprise but, following the departures of Cesc Fabregas and Samir Nasri, he has been identified as a player who could offer both creativity and Premier League experience.

Benayoun indicated on his Twitter site that he is likely to leave Chelsea recently and gave up his number 10 shirt to new arrival Juan Mata. Liverpool and Lille are also monitoring the situation.

Wenger is also keen to reinforce in more central midfield areas. Of his initial targets, Marseille’s Lucho Gonzalez and Lille’s Eden Hazard now look almost certain to stay in France.

Everton have little interest in any swap deal involving Mikel Arteta for Nicklas Bendtner, while Rennes are holding out for around €30 million (£26.5 million) for Yann M’Vila.

Arsenal do, however, retain an interest in France midfielder Marvin Martin, who would be available at around £12 million. The situation regarding defenders is also complicated. Arsenal have already had bids rejected for Bolton’s Gary Cahill and Everton centre-back Phil Jagielka, while an enquiry has also been made to Chelsea over the availability of Alex.

That has not been followed up with a firm offer and there is an increasing sense that Cahill or Jagielka remain the most likely targets.

It is thought that Arsenal are prepared to go up to £12 million for Cahill, with the possibility of a further £3 million depending on appearances.

Cahill’s contract expires next season and so Bolton would risk losing him for nothing next year if they do not sell during this transfer window.

The well-documented financial restrictions at Everton could also make it difficult to refuse a significantly improved offer for Jagielka.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: mukumsplau on August 29, 2011, 05:16:28 PM
anyone see rosicky on the replay of rooney's first free kick goal?? d man cudnt give an ass whats going on

Ah watching it over-Rosicky look like he decided tuh take a walk once he heard the crowd roar! All he was missin was the bump in he walk!

na he make up he mind he didnt care before that. i mean come on..like the others in the wall u have to anticipate a rebound to be cleared...at least show yuh care
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: giggsy11 on August 29, 2011, 05:50:51 PM
anyone see rosicky on the replay of rooney's first free kick goal?? d man cudnt give an ass whats going on

Ah watching it over-Rosicky look like he decided tuh take a walk once he heard the crowd roar! All he was missin was the bump in he walk!



na he make up he mind he didnt care before that. i mean come on..like the others in the wall u have to anticipate a rebound to be cleared...at least show yuh care


I read that Van Persie had tuh shoo him and Arshavin back onto the pitch tuh clap the visiting fans!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on August 29, 2011, 06:32:57 PM
How is it begrudging to say the Gunners were abject? United weren't superb. They were good. They were made to look better than good by ridiculously bad defending from Arsenal. Anyway I guess it's a matter of opinion but I really doh see how I could use the word "abject" and have it considered begrudging.

It's the whole tone of "they weren't that good, we were just bad"....comes off a lil begrudging  ;D  

Point is, as badly as Arsenal played, a merely good side may still not have scored 8.  It ain't easy to score 8 goals in a game even against poor opposition...Some of those goals were pretty memorable too...

Defensively Man U didn't look airtight, so you could argue that it wasn't a 100% complete performance, but it still hard tuh begrudge them the superb accolades.  Picture it if it was the other way around and be objective...How would you describe Arsenal's performance?  Just "good"? I doubt!!

But as you say, superb is subjective...

I too thought we were very good and not superb and amazing like most fans thought..

I think the fluidity and pace from the mid and strikers killed Arsenal's poor back 4.. I thought Jenkinson and Traore were woeful as were the 2 CB's who were their first choice CB's last season so I am not giving them any lack of experience get out of jail cards as these 2 shithongs had 1 entire season together...

United especially in the first half and early stages of the second were poor defensively and in CM but I put that down to our lack of experience with only Evra being the real experience out there... Anderson has experience but he is still 22.. Cleverley has been awesome but he too is only a kid and gets caught out of position due to over exuberance... Smalling is very very new to the RB role.. Jones is new and 19.. Evans despite his potential has some crazy decision making moments and is only 23 and then De Gea is 20 and hardly speaks English or has the confidence yet to bark out orders and keep his defense organised like a Van Der Sar would have

Our average age was less that Arsenal's... Our team had as many or more inexperienced players as Arsenal had ( Jones, Smalling at RB, Evans, Cleverley, Welbeck and De Gea vs Jenkinson, Traore, The little CM, Ramsey) 

Imagine If we had our most experienced backline and lets say Fletcher in CM with either Clev or Ando...  It would have been a blood bath

We were very good, not superb but we did punish that Arsenal team with our very own kids and hit the net 8 f**king times... Crazy stuff
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: FF on August 29, 2011, 06:56:26 PM
Reminds me...

http://www.youtube.com/v/XtwPTMr_akU


Yorke = Legend  :salute:
Anybody watch the interview with Arsene at the end...had me rolling  :rotfl:

Yeah I saw that. His expression during that game back in 2001 was the same as his expression during the unfortunate events of Sunday's match. His hair was not as gray then, but the expression on his face was the same.

Ironically, he went on to preside over that legendary Arsenal team of 2003-04.

Perhaps a similar resurgence is in the offing.....


De BBM's!! lol  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 30, 2011, 06:28:51 AM
It official now. Traore gone QPR. Thank God but please don't tell me we gonna play our best centre back there when Djourou and Squillaci in a mess?!?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Andre on August 30, 2011, 06:44:57 AM
SOURCE (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/8729940/Arsenal-begin-rebuilding-process-with-signing-of-Brazil-left-back-Andre-Santos.html)

Arsenal begin rebuilding process with signing of Brazil left-back Andre Santos
Arsenal agreed a £6.2 million fee last night with Fenerbahce for the Brazil left-back Andre Santos and have also made an enquiry for Chelsea midfielder Yossi Benayoun.


great things is start with man name Andre.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on August 30, 2011, 07:06:31 AM
SOURCE (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/8729940/Arsenal-begin-rebuilding-process-with-signing-of-Brazil-left-back-Andre-Santos.html)

Arsenal begin rebuilding process with signing of Brazil left-back Andre Santos
Arsenal agreed a £6.2 million fee last night with Fenerbahce for the Brazil left-back Andre Santos and have also made an enquiry for Chelsea midfielder Yossi Benayoun.


great things is start with man name Andre.

lol
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 30, 2011, 07:14:39 AM
rumors! 24+hrs to dead line

Per Mertesacker-CB
Andre Santos-LB
Park Chu-Young - F
?????????? - Midfield?? Playmaker?

i just wanna point out Dan Steel made a good point, AA can play in the hole behind the front man or front two strikers

would like to see that formation

song , frimpong/wilshire
         AA
Walcott/Ox RVP Gervinho/Ryo
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on August 30, 2011, 07:26:38 AM
rumors! 24+hrs to dead line

Per Mertesacker-CB
Andre Santos-LB
Park Chu-Young - F
?????????? - Midfield?? Playmaker?

i just wanna point out Dan Steel made a good point, AA can play in the hole behind the front man or front two strikers

would like to see that formation

song , frimpong/wilshire
         AA
Walcott/Ox RVP Gervinho/Ryo

That is the best position for him.. he is a CAM not a LW like Wenger uses him



Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: dinho on August 30, 2011, 07:41:16 AM
Nasri - Arsenal can't compete

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,,11670_7138491,00.html

Former star delivers damning review of former club

By Patrick Haond.

Samir Nasri insists Arsenal can no longer afford to spend big in the transfer market.

Nasri completed his long awaited move to Manchester City last week before making his debut in the weekend win at Tottenham.

Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger, meanwhile, saw his side crumble in humiliating fashion at Manchester United with an 8-2 loss, but Nasri says that the club have to change.

The France international insisted it was the right time for him to leave, telling l'Equipe: "Yes, it was [the right time to leave], there are sure signs.

"The departure of Cesc to Barcelona is one of them. The defeat against Birmingham in the League Cup final was very harmful for the minds.

"Arsenal remains a big club, but the building of Emirates Stadium changed a lot of things. It has changed the ambitions, so far. But it is not Arsene Wenger, it is the club's politics, the officials.

"Arsenal doesn't have the same funds. They can't make the same coups as before in the transfer market. They are rather forced to sell their best players and bet on young ones."

Nasri was asked about why did not extend his contract at Arsenal last year, but explained: "Why didn't I extend at Arsenal last autumn? They made me an offer and my advisers made another one.

"In this last one there was a clause that Arsenal officials didn't really accept.

"Then, it lasted. When they came back to offer me again in June, I made my decision. In my mind I wanted to leave, above all after the very difficult end to last season and I also already had nice contacts.

"At first Arsene Wenger wanted to keep me. Then, both clubs needed time to agree a transfer fee.

"My agents worked well. With the lawyers they wanted everything to be in order. When the transfer is big, you have to be patient. I am also happy Arsenal could get a nice fee. I prefer to leave that way than being a free agent. I did the same at Marseille. But that €28million fee doesn't put me under any pressure."
Happy

The French star maintains he was delighted to join City, despite links also to their city rivals United.

"From the start there was unanimity about my arrival at Manchester City. The coach, the executive director Garry Cook and chairman Khaldoun al-Mubarak, I felt everyone wanted me," he said.

"The players teased me for my first training session. They said: 'You needed time to come. We are waiting for you for one month and a half'. I know most of them, playing against them.

"Training with all those good players every day, I will improve. During sessions, there is a big intensity. At Arsenal it was already good, but here it is an upper level.

"When we finish the session with a match, you really feel like you're in an official competition. There are 22 players of a very high level. In the Premier League, very few clubs can show such wealth."

Nasri is yet to win a major trophy in his career and he is looking to out that right at City, adding: "You play football because you like it, but above all to win trophies.

"I am still dreaming about a national title, a cup or Champions League just like a kid.

"I want to feel satisfaction of a fulfilled season. Individually being named Player of the Year or being in the team of the league, that is reward but it can't replace the emotion of a trophy."
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 30, 2011, 08:38:08 AM
He get #9? Welcome and good luck.

Arsenal to sign striker Chu Young Park

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/arsenal-to-sign-striker-chu-young-park (http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/arsenal-to-sign-striker-chu-young-park)

Arsenal Football Club can confirm they have agreed to sign striker Chu Young Park from AS Monaco.
 
The 26-year-old South Korea captain scored 25 times in 91 appearances for the French club during three seasons in Ligue 1.
 
The one-time Asian Young Footballer of the Year made his debut for the South Korea senior side at just 19, and played in both the 2006 and 2010 World Cups. He replaced the retired Ji Sung Park as captain of the national team earlier this year.
 
Arsenal manager Arsène Wenger said: “We are delighted to have signed Chu. He will add true quality to our attacking forces and will be a valuable addition to the squad.”

Chu Young Park said: "I am very honoured and I feel very happy to be at Arsenal. It is a dream to be here and I am really proud to be an Arsenal player. Now I just want to show how good I am and prove myself.

"In my opinion this is a great club, now I have to show what I can do on the pitch. I will do my best, I will never give up, I will show heart, I will give everything and I hope [the fans] will support me."
 
The deal is subject to the completion of formal registration processes.

Chu Young Park will wear the No 9 shirt at Arsenal. The striker prefers to be known as 'Ju' and will therefore have J. Y. Park as his shirt name.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 30, 2011, 08:50:10 AM
Love how he say this after we beat them 3-0 last season and had a goalless draw when they just park the bus and we hit the post 3 times. Them Pounds goin to your head Nanas.

Nasri - Arsenal can't compete

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,,11670_7138491,00.html

Former star delivers damning review of former club

By Patrick Haond.

Samir Nasri insists Arsenal can no longer afford to spend big in the transfer market.

Nasri completed his long awaited move to Manchester City last week before making his debut in the weekend win at Tottenham.

Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger, meanwhile, saw his side crumble in humiliating fashion at Manchester United with an 8-2 loss, but Nasri says that the club have to change.

The France international insisted it was the right time for him to leave, telling l'Equipe: "Yes, it was [the right time to leave], there are sure signs.

"The departure of Cesc to Barcelona is one of them. The defeat against Birmingham in the League Cup final was very harmful for the minds.

"Arsenal remains a big club, but the building of Emirates Stadium changed a lot of things. It has changed the ambitions, so far. But it is not Arsene Wenger, it is the club's politics, the officials.

"Arsenal doesn't have the same funds. They can't make the same coups as before in the transfer market. They are rather forced to sell their best players and bet on young ones."

Nasri was asked about why did not extend his contract at Arsenal last year, but explained: "Why didn't I extend at Arsenal last autumn? They made me an offer and my advisers made another one.

"In this last one there was a clause that Arsenal officials didn't really accept.

"Then, it lasted. When they came back to offer me again in June, I made my decision. In my mind I wanted to leave, above all after the very difficult end to last season and I also already had nice contacts.

"At first Arsene Wenger wanted to keep me. Then, both clubs needed time to agree a transfer fee.

"My agents worked well. With the lawyers they wanted everything to be in order. When the transfer is big, you have to be patient. I am also happy Arsenal could get a nice fee. I prefer to leave that way than being a free agent. I did the same at Marseille. But that €28million fee doesn't put me under any pressure."
Happy

The French star maintains he was delighted to join City, despite links also to their city rivals United.

"From the start there was unanimity about my arrival at Manchester City. The coach, the executive director Garry Cook and chairman Khaldoun al-Mubarak, I felt everyone wanted me," he said.

"The players teased me for my first training session. They said: 'You needed time to come. We are waiting for you for one month and a half'. I know most of them, playing against them.

"Training with all those good players every day, I will improve. During sessions, there is a big intensity. At Arsenal it was already good, but here it is an upper level.

"When we finish the session with a match, you really feel like you're in an official competition. There are 22 players of a very high level. In the Premier League, very few clubs can show such wealth."

Nasri is yet to win a major trophy in his career and he is looking to out that right at City, adding: "You play football because you like it, but above all to win trophies.

"I am still dreaming about a national title, a cup or Champions League just like a kid.

"I want to feel satisfaction of a fulfilled season. Individually being named Player of the Year or being in the team of the league, that is reward but it can't replace the emotion of a trophy."

Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Mose on August 30, 2011, 09:23:58 AM
rumors! 24+hrs to dead line

Per Mertesacker-CB
Andre Santos-LB
Park Chu-Young - F
?????????? - Midfield?? Playmaker?

i just wanna point out Dan Steel made a good point, AA can play in the hole behind the front man or front two strikers

would like to see that formation

song , frimpong/wilshire
         AA
Walcott/Ox RVP Gervinho/Ryo
With that Arsenal should be fine. As long as they don't have any more injury issues.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 30, 2011, 10:21:01 AM
Park Chu-young resembles a Wenger player but Arsenal fans may disagree
The forward was Asian Young Player of 2004 and impressed at Monaco but may have to do more to win over the Emirates

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/aug/30/park-chu-young-wenger-arsenal (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/aug/30/park-chu-young-wenger-arsenal)

"I had to choose between Lille and Arsenal," said Park Chu-young as he arrived home in South Korea on Monday for national team duty. "I wanted to choose without regret." Whether Arsène Wenger will say the same after signing the 26-year-old striker remains to be seen.

The fee is low, around £3m but is less a reflection of ability than a two-year military tour of duty that starts in 2013, though he may be able to join a police team instead in 2014. That deadline, a 2012 Olympic medal grants exemption, was why the player was increasingly desperate to leave Monaco after three years and why, with a deal almost done on Saturday, he dropped everything at Lille to head to London.

Park has been a huge star in his homeland since becoming Asian Young Player of 2004 and impressing for FC Seoul from 2005. Later, he suffered from injuries, loss of form and confidence – for a while one-on-ones became painful to watch. It was only after a move to Monaco in 2008 that he really started to develop into one of Asia's best strikers.

That accolade may not impress Arsenal fans and even his Asian fans don't expect Park to become an automatic starter anytime soon. The feeling was that after impressing on the Mediterranean, Park had earned the chance to play on a bigger stage and French champions Lille sounded about right. Arsenal interest was a surprise but every time the Daegu-born striker has had the chance to make the step to the next level, he has done so.

Twelve goals out of a total of 38 in Monaco's relegation season is a good return but although Park's finishing has improved, it remains erratic. Comparisons to Nikolas Bendtner end there however. The hard-working Korean offers much more technically than the Dane. At times, Monaco lamented the lack of a killer instinct – perhaps Lille would disagree – but will miss his vision, touch and awareness around the penalty area.

With an Arsenal squad stretched, Park brings versatility – he can play on the left or right but prefers the middle – and pace. A six-footer, he will adapt to the rigours of English football more quickly than Park Ji-sung or Lee Chung-yong. The South Korean captain takes a better free-kick than Theo Walcott as demonstrated against Nigeria at the 2010 World Cup. A good header of the ball with a good head on his shoulders (an IQ of 150) he has the look of a Wenger player, though again, that may not be what Arsenal fans currently want to hear.

With a pre-season tour of Asia and the addition of Ryo Miyaichi from Japan, the London club are suddenly active in the far eastern market. Despite the hype, most European teams receive little commercial boost from Asian players. This could be different. Arsenal can make Miyaichi a star at home but Park already is one.

It can't be too long before Arsenal credit cards (it is rarely about shirts) are a new must-have item in Seoul. Park now has to show he can earn similar status in London.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: JDB on August 30, 2011, 11:16:29 AM
rumors! 24+hrs to dead line

Per Mertesacker-CB
Andre Santos-LB
Park Chu-Young - F
?????????? - Midfield?? Playmaker?

i just wanna point out Dan Steel made a good point, AA can play in the hole behind the front man or front two strikers

would like to see that formation

song , frimpong/wilshire
         AA
Walcott/Ox RVP Gervinho/Ryo

That is the best position for him.. he is a CAM not a LW like Wenger uses him

Arshavin should have been playing there two years go but Arsenal had too many similar players. Right now I feel Arshavin mentally check out of Arsenal. Arsenal will be better off playing Van Persie behind a goal scorer.

That being said Arsenal are moving for some good players. Park is a good player, better than Bendtner for sure. And they getting him cheap so that is good value.

Likewise Santos. Better than anything they have and at 6M costs about the same as they get from Clichy.

I am not a big Per Mertesacker fan. Think he is slow and error prone. But he have plenty experience, especially at international level. Going from Koscielny/Djourou to him will be an upgrade. And the price sound much cheaper than Cahill so that will make Wenger and Dansteel happy.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 30, 2011, 11:22:26 AM
rumors! 24+hrs to dead line

Per Mertesacker-CB
Andre Santos-LB
Park Chu-Young - F
?????????? - Midfield?? Playmaker?

i just wanna point out Dan Steel made a good point, AA can play in the hole behind the front man or front two strikers

would like to see that formation

song , frimpong/wilshire
         AA
Walcott/Ox RVP Gervinho/Ryo

That is the best position for him.. he is a CAM not a LW like Wenger uses him

Arshavin should have been playing there two years go but Arsenal had too many similar players. Right now I feel Arshavin mentally check out of Arsenal. Arsenal will be better off playing Van Persie behind a goal scorer.

That being said Arsenal are moving for some good players. Park is a good player, better than Bendtner for sure. And they getting him cheap so that is good value.

Likewise Santos. Better than anything they have and at 6M costs about the same as they get from Clichy.

I am not a big Per Mertesacker fan. Think he is slow and error prone. But he have plenty experience, especially at international level. Going from Koscielny/Djourou to him will be an upgrade. And the price sound much cheaper than Cahill so that will make Wenger and Dansteel happy.

:beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: kicker on August 30, 2011, 11:24:21 AM
Who are they gonna buy to control their midfield play?

Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: JDB on August 30, 2011, 11:30:29 AM
Who are they gonna buy to control their midfield play?



Jack Wilshire
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: kicker on August 30, 2011, 11:36:55 AM
Jack Wilshire

That's right- forgot about him...How much longer in the rehab room for him?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 30, 2011, 11:37:23 AM
I supose with Diaby, Wilshere, Roisicky and Ramsey in that area he feels comfortable. None of them are at Fabregas level but they should manage, unless this injury bug bites again.

Who are they gonna buy to control their midfield play?


Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 30, 2011, 11:37:53 AM
Jack Wilshire

That's right- forgot about him...How much longer in the rehab room for him?
3 weeks.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 30, 2011, 11:46:50 AM
Oh and JDB, I doh mind them spending money on a good player but 17 mil on Cahill? Come nah man! I happy for him to spend 30 mil on Mats Hummels or Thiago Silva if he could get them. World class prices for world class players. But all dat money for Gary flippin Cahill? I agree Mertesacker ent no superstar but he better than Cahill and cost 10 million less I can't argue with that.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 30, 2011, 12:02:55 PM
I think it behooves all of us Gooners to remember that with all the controversy surrounding the disaster this past Sunday, it remains important to maintain some perspective. In that spirit I'd like to point out that Tottenham is still below us in the table.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: kicker on August 30, 2011, 12:05:51 PM
In that spirit I'd like to point out that Tottenham is still below us in the table.

With a game in hand though lol

 ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Andre on August 30, 2011, 12:07:13 PM
midfield general? - wenger should raid the yank ranks on the cheap. donovan or dempsey.

i eh know bout this chinee he bringing doh.

the professor make some unproven or faltering buys offlate e.g chamakh, arshavin, rosicky, jenkinson.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 30, 2011, 12:08:21 PM
In that spirit I'd like to point out that Tottenham is still below us in the table.

With a game in hand though lol

 ;D
Thanks kicker. Remember, perspective.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Blue on August 30, 2011, 12:18:14 PM
So Werder Bremen conceded the 4th most goals in the Bundesliga last year (61)....some great scouting going on at Arsenal these days....
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on August 30, 2011, 12:23:27 PM
Oh and JDB, I doh mind them spending money on a good player but 17 mil on Cahill? Come nah man! I happy for him to spend 30 mil on Mats Hummels or Thiago Silva if he could get them. World class prices for world class players. But all dat money for Gary flippin Cahill? I agree Mertesacker ent no superstar but he better than Cahill and cost 10 million less I can't argue with that.

U drunk?! :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: asylumseeker on August 30, 2011, 12:34:09 PM
I would be interested in seeing Arshavin (occasionally?) played on the right cutting in ...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: dinho on August 30, 2011, 01:01:40 PM
Mertesacker - 7m
Park - 3m
Andre Santos - 6m
.....

Whey de rest ah de Fabregas/Nasri/Clichy money they promise to invest in new players  ???

Allyuh eh realize the board STILL going and backsqueeze on allyuh squad and pocket that windfall cash?

If Arsenal was serious about football they wouldve strengthened the squad since July even before the sales and not be in this disadvantaged negotiating position they find themselves in now... hours before the window closes.

Spend some money, spend some bad money, spend any money allyuh cheap so and so!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 30, 2011, 01:01:55 PM
Oh and JDB, I doh mind them spending money on a good player but 17 mil on Cahill? Come nah man! I happy for him to spend 30 mil on Mats Hummels or Thiago Silva if he could get them. World class prices for world class players. But all dat money for Gary flippin Cahill? I agree Mertesacker ent no superstar but he better than Cahill and cost 10 million less I can't argue with that.

U drunk?! :rotfl:

75 Germany caps full. At age 26. Clearly drunk. Cahill have how many caps? For flickin ENGLAND?!? 2 whole caps. Steuuuuuups!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Andre on August 30, 2011, 01:12:53 PM
http://www.theda.co.uk/2011/08/last-chance-to-grab-those-arsenal-summer-sales-football-clubs-told.html

Football clubs are being reminded that they have just two days remaining to get down to the Arsenal summer sale and take advantage of the huge discounts on offer, varying from the arrogant, Danish forward range to a set of highly strung football defenders who can’t balance on either foot. For just £2,000,099 you could own your very own Armand Traoré, perfect decor for any front living room.

Store manager Arsene Wenger said ‘if you’ve not been in store yet then hurry down, stock is flying of the shelves extremely quickly. Just now we had a family in buying a lovely Theo Walcott to hang on their new garden decking and I think we may have just sold out all of our wonderful ‘overplaying at the back range.’ Remember 25% off until Thursday. You’d be crazy to miss it!’

One happy customer, a Mr Garry Cook wrote on the Facebook wall ‘I recommend the sales to anyone. Snapped up a couple of midfield wizards and a slightly chipped left back for just under £30mill, and the store assistants even helped me carry them to my car. The Free parking is also not to be scoffed at.’
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: DeSoWa on August 30, 2011, 01:17:41 PM
Who are they gonna buy to control their midfield play?



Benayoun would have been nice, but I hear he might be going to Spurs!

Big Up!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: DeSoWa on August 30, 2011, 01:19:17 PM
Mertesacker - 7m
Park - 3m
Andre Santos - 6m
.....

Whey de rest ah de Fabregas/Nasri/Clichy money they promise to invest in new players  ???

Allyuh eh realize the board STILL going and backsqueeze on allyuh squad and pocket that windfall cash?

If Arsenal was serious about football they wouldve strengthened the squad since July even before the sales and not be in this disadvantaged negotiating position they find themselves in now... hours before the window closes.

Spend some money, spend some bad money, spend any money allyuh cheap so and so!

Sorry, this is not Chelsea, our club is not a millionaires play thing  :devil:

Big Up!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on August 30, 2011, 01:24:38 PM
Oh and JDB, I doh mind them spending money on a good player but 17 mil on Cahill? Come nah man! I happy for him to spend 30 mil on Mats Hummels or Thiago Silva if he could get them. World class prices for world class players. But all dat money for Gary flippin Cahill? I agree Mertesacker ent no superstar but he better than Cahill and cost 10 million less I can't argue with that.

U drunk?! :rotfl:

75 Germany caps full. At age 26. Clearly drunk. Cahill have how many caps? For flickin ENGLAND?!? 2 whole caps. Steuuuuuups!

I hope allyuh get Per because I would much rather dat snail when we see allyuh dan Cahill.  Cahill ha plenty competition to overcome fuh dem caps.  If per was in england he would probably never even be capped.  Mertesaker is ah slow ass shithong fella buh doh study me nah allyuh go brave lol. 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 30, 2011, 01:39:05 PM
75 Germany caps full. At age 26. Clearly drunk. Cahill have how many caps? For flickin ENGLAND?!? 2 whole caps. Steuuuuuups!

I hope allyuh get Per because I would much rather dat snail when we see allyuh dan Cahill.  Cahill ha plenty competition to overcome fuh dem caps.  If per was in england he would probably never even be capped.  Mertesaker is ah slow ass shithong fella buh doh study me nah allyuh go brave lol. 

I love how a man who saying a regular starter for a CLEARLY superior (in every way) international team couldn't make for England go question my judgement. Irony is a hell of a thing. I bet you is one ah dem poor fellas who does go into every World Cup expecting England to win it. I agree Per slow but speed is not the be all and end all of it.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on August 30, 2011, 02:08:02 PM
I love how a man who saying a regular starter for a CLEARLY superior (in every way) international team couldn't make for England go question my judgement. Irony is a hell of a thing. I bet you is one ah dem poor fellas who does go into every World Cup expecting England to win it. I agree Per slow but speed is not the be all and end all of it.

who would Mertesaker displace to start for England?  England problems never been defense so doh try da schupidness fella.  England play going forward always sputter in the midfield which causes the attack to be ineffective.  Per better than Terry or a fit Rio Ferdinand?  Guy try yuh bess nah.  Apart from that international ball and club ball different hoss.  To me it would make sense to get ah man who doin it in the EPL and commands the respect of his peers than to go raid ah team dat let een goals galore fuh a CB, buh daz jess me.  Expect England to win what?  Yuh feel is yesterday I start watchin football aought?  Wha shit yuh really talkin hoss?!!  Like ah say before allyuh go brave killa!!!! 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 30, 2011, 02:14:08 PM
I love how a man who saying a regular starter for a CLEARLY superior (in every way) international team couldn't make for England go question my judgement. Irony is a hell of a thing. I bet you is one ah dem poor fellas who does go into every World Cup expecting England to win it. I agree Per slow but speed is not the be all and end all of it.

who would Mertesaker displace to start for England?  England problems never been defense so doh try da schupidness fella.  England play going forward always sputter in the midfield which causes the attack to be ineffective.  Per better than Terry or a fit Rio Ferdinand?  Guy try yuh bess nah.  Apart from that international ball and club ball different hoss.  To me it would make sense to get ah man who doin it in the EPL and commands the respect of his peers than to go raid ah team dat let een goals galore fuh a CB, buh daz jess me.  Expect England to win what?  Yuh feel is yesterday I start watchin football aought?  Wha shit yuh really talkin hoss?!!  Like ah say before allyuh go brave killa!!!! 
I didn't say he better than a fit Terry or Ferdinand, but like I said, he better than Cahill. I guess England problem wasn't defence when Germany drop 4 on them in the World Cup? Boss the way yuh talkin it doh really seem too far fetched that yuh start watching football yesterday. Anyway, yuh clearly set on yuh ideas in the face of reason so no point carrying on this conversation.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Jayerson on August 30, 2011, 02:39:46 PM
Park Chu-young resembles a Wenger player but Arsenal fans may disagree
The forward was Asian Young Player of 2004 and impressed at Monaco but may have to do more to win over the Emirates

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/aug/30/park-chu-young-wenger-arsenal (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/aug/30/park-chu-young-wenger-arsenal)

"I had to choose between Lille and Arsenal," said Park Chu-young as he arrived home in South Korea on Monday for national team duty. "I wanted to choose without regret." Whether Arsène Wenger will say the same after signing the 26-year-old striker remains to be seen.

The fee is low, around £3m but is less a reflection of ability than a two-year military tour of duty that starts in 2013, though he may be able to join a police team instead in 2014. That deadline, a 2012 Olympic medal grants exemption, was why the player was increasingly desperate to leave Monaco after three years and why, with a deal almost done on Saturday, he dropped everything at Lille to head to London.

Park has been a huge star in his homeland since becoming Asian Young Player of 2004 and impressing for FC Seoul from 2005. Later, he suffered from injuries, loss of form and confidence – for a while one-on-ones became painful to watch. It was only after a move to Monaco in 2008 that he really started to develop into one of Asia's best strikers.

That accolade may not impress Arsenal fans and even his Asian fans don't expect Park to become an automatic starter anytime soon. The feeling was that after impressing on the Mediterranean, Park had earned the chance to play on a bigger stage and French champions Lille sounded about right. Arsenal interest was a surprise but every time the Daegu-born striker has had the chance to make the step to the next level, he has done so.

Twelve goals out of a total of 38 in Monaco's relegation season is a good return but although Park's finishing has improved, it remains erratic. Comparisons to Nikolas Bendtner end there however. The hard-working Korean offers much more technically than the Dane. At times, Monaco lamented the lack of a killer instinct – perhaps Lille would disagree – but will miss his vision, touch and awareness around the penalty area.

With an Arsenal squad stretched, Park brings versatility – he can play on the left or right but prefers the middle – and pace. A six-footer, he will adapt to the rigours of English football more quickly than Park Ji-sung or Lee Chung-yong. The South Korean captain takes a better free-kick than Theo Walcott as demonstrated against Nigeria at the 2010 World Cup. A good header of the ball with a good head on his shoulders (an IQ of 150) he has the look of a Wenger player, though again, that may not be what Arsenal fans currently want to hear.

With a pre-season tour of Asia and the addition of Ryo Miyaichi from Japan, the London club are suddenly active in the far eastern market. Despite the hype, most European teams receive little commercial boost from Asian players. This could be different. Arsenal can make Miyaichi a star at home but Park already is one.

It can't be too long before Arsenal credit cards (it is rarely about shirts) are a new must-have item in Seoul. Park now has to show he can earn similar status in London.


An IQ of 150. WTF!!! What he doing in football??? That's literally genius level.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Blue on August 30, 2011, 02:55:37 PM
Good chance yall will be signing Benayoun tomorrow, he has confirmed that he'll be joining Arsenal, Liverpool or Spurs. I would think Arsenal are the most likely of the three....unless the Modric deal is back on.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on August 30, 2011, 03:17:10 PM
I didn't say he better than a fit Terry or Ferdinand, but like I said, he better than Cahill. I guess England problem wasn't defence when Germany drop 4 on them in the World Cup? Boss the way yuh talkin it doh really seem too far fetched that yuh start watching football yesterday. Anyway, yuh clearly set on yuh ideas in the face of reason so no point carrying on this conversation.

Buy Mertesaker quick nah! buy buy buy!! :rotfl: 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: kicker on August 30, 2011, 03:34:59 PM
who would Mertesaker displace to start for England?  England problems never been defense so doh try da schupidness fella.  England play going forward always sputter in the midfield which causes the attack to be ineffective.  Per better than Terry or a fit Rio Ferdinand?  Guy try yuh bess nah.  Apart from that international ball and club ball different hoss.  To me it would make sense to get ah man who doin it in the EPL and commands the respect of his peers than to go raid ah team dat let een goals galore fuh a CB, buh daz jess me.  Expect England to win what?  Yuh feel is yesterday I start watchin football aought?  Wha shit yuh really talkin hoss?!!  Like ah say before allyuh go brave killa!!!! 

Flickinlilla - Terry and Rio very ordinary fella...by no means sh*tty but they ent all that...  English press is hype dem up and you biting that bait real strong.  When yuh watch Man U central pairing Vidic is the man and Rio is the boy... Rio get pips in his early days because he was a revelation by English standards i.e. an English central back who could pass the ball a little bit and who eh lookin' like he about tuh trip over his own feet if he hadda run 10 yards with the ball, but doh get tie up, Rio sorf - plenty mental mistakes, and against skill and pace he's a f*cking laborer.  Terry a lil better (as a defender) but Ricky Carvalho make he look real good...After Carvalho ride, Terry look very normal... I doh rate Per, but I eh go talk like Terry and Rio is the gold stars in some class above him.  If Terry and Rio didn't benefit from the English press, yuh wasn't hearin' nuttin bout dem...dem normal... Yuh say how club football and int'l ball different, yuh right - for dem two fellas when their club class get removed and iz time tuh show that they could ball with the best in a less than spectacular England set up....they fail...everytime. 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: dinho on August 30, 2011, 04:04:42 PM
who would Mertesaker displace to start for England?  England problems never been defense so doh try da schupidness fella.  England play going forward always sputter in the midfield which causes the attack to be ineffective.  Per better than Terry or a fit Rio Ferdinand?  Guy try yuh bess nah.  Apart from that international ball and club ball different hoss.  To me it would make sense to get ah man who doin it in the EPL and commands the respect of his peers than to go raid ah team dat let een goals galore fuh a CB, buh daz jess me.  Expect England to win what?  Yuh feel is yesterday I start watchin football aought?  Wha shit yuh really talkin hoss?!!  Like ah say before allyuh go brave killa!!!! 

Flickinlilla - Terry and Rio very ordinary fella...by no means sh*tty but they ent all that...  English press is hype dem up and you biting that bait real strong.  When yuh watch Man U central pairing Vidic is the man and Rio is the boy... Rio get pips in his early days because he was a revelation by English standards i.e. an English central back who could pass the ball a little bit and who eh lookin' like he about tuh trip over his own feet if he hadda run 10 yards with the ball, but doh get tie up, Rio sorf - plenty mental mistakes, and against skill and pace he's a f*cking laborer.  Terry a lil better (as a defender) but Ricky Carvalho make he look real good...After Carvalho ride, Terry look very normal... I doh rate Per, but I eh go talk like Terry and Rio is the gold stars in some class above him.  If Terry and Rio didn't benefit from the English press, yuh wasn't hearin' nuttin bout dem...dem normal... Yuh say how club football and int'l ball different, yuh right - for dem two fellas when their club class get removed and iz time tuh show that they could ball with the best in a less than spectacular England set up....they fail...everytime. 

I disagree with this.. For as much shit that England is their strongest position has always been central defence. The reason is simple, it is a workhorse position that requires little skill and plenty brute force - which falls right down the alley of the average English player.

England has never been wanting for world class stoppers... Tony Adams, Martin Keown, Sol Campbell, Rio Ferdinand, John Terry, Ledley King etc etc etc were/are world class central defenders... The list goes on and on, if Terry and Ferdinand get injured today any of Cahill, Dawson, Upson, Lescott, Johnson, Shawcross could step in and fill in.. I don't think many other national teams have that kinda depth.

Me personally, i woulda spend the extra 10m and take Cahill. The man already familiar with the English league and is a known commodity, he young and he have motivation to push for a spot in the England team. Also yuh cyah overlook the fact that he English, dem kinda men does be valuable in dem "get stuck in" kinda games like Stoke and Arsenal need that.

Per is much more of a gamble.  He could come in and establish himself alongside Vermalean as a solid central defensive pairing but in the same speed he could pop down and get exposed for lack of speed to keep up with the pace of the EPL.

Anyway, anything better than Djourou and Koscielney right now.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: kicker on August 30, 2011, 08:19:17 PM
I disagree with this.. For as much shit that England is their strongest position has always been central defence. The reason is simple, it is a workhorse position that requires little skill and plenty brute force - which falls right down the alley of the average English player.

True but that is a relative statement...i.e. strongest relative to their other positions - still pretty normal to me...I doh really rate dem fellas like that. Keown, Adams...nah man, dem fellas ent all that...Check out Sol Campbell vs. Brazil in WC 2002 - World Class my arse.  Fella looking like a clumsy labourer chasing shadows...and he could barely run with the ball.  Check out England central backs vs. Portugal in Euro 2000 and Euro 2004 - Not world class one bit.

One thing I give them fellas is they are fit, disciplined and they typically very strong in the air....but put the ground, move it around quickly and throw some real individual attacking quality at dem fellas and yuh realize that they very limited... I admit that alot of it comes down to taste and preference, and I kinda bias against their brand...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 30, 2011, 08:44:35 PM
Waaaaaaay boy. Dat ting continue real long. I was studying how to beat curfew with rum in meh head. I guess I still drunk.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
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Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on August 31, 2011, 08:55:07 AM
who would Mertesaker displace to start for England?  England problems never been defense so doh try da schupidness fella.  England play going forward always sputter in the midfield which causes the attack to be ineffective.  Per better than Terry or a fit Rio Ferdinand?  Guy try yuh bess nah.  Apart from that international ball and club ball different hoss.  To me it would make sense to get ah man who doin it in the EPL and commands the respect of his peers than to go raid ah team dat let een goals galore fuh a CB, buh daz jess me.  Expect England to win what?  Yuh feel is yesterday I start watchin football aought?  Wha shit yuh really talkin hoss?!!  Like ah say before allyuh go brave killa!!!! 

Flickinlilla - Terry and Rio very ordinary fella...by no means sh*tty but they ent all that...  English press is hype dem up and you biting that bait real strong.  When yuh watch Man U central pairing Vidic is the man and Rio is the boy... Rio get pips in his early days because he was a revelation by English standards i.e. an English central back who could pass the ball a little bit and who eh lookin' like he about tuh trip over his own feet if he hadda run 10 yards with the ball, but doh get tie up, Rio sorf - plenty mental mistakes, and against skill and pace he's a f*cking laborer.  Terry a lil better (as a defender) but Ricky Carvalho make he look real good...After Carvalho ride, Terry look very normal... I doh rate Per, but I eh go talk like Terry and Rio is the gold stars in some class above him.  If Terry and Rio didn't benefit from the English press, yuh wasn't hearin' nuttin bout dem...dem normal... Yuh say how club football and int'l ball different, yuh right - for dem two fellas when their club class get removed and iz time tuh show that they could ball with the best in a less than spectacular England set up....they fail...everytime. 

Dan doh make meh cuss yuh eh!!  Wha de ass u talking bout biting bait?  So I doh watch dem play whenever I have an opportunity so I can assess fuyh mehself right?  Allyuh eh bet allyuh could say dumb ass shit when allyuh want to pontificate and pretend like allyuh ha some better vantage point oui!!  ::)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: dwn on August 31, 2011, 09:17:37 AM
I not sure looking at how many goals a team concedes is a measure of the quality of an individual defender. So using that Bremen stat against Mertesacker doesn't make much sense to me. Also, if you using that to say that Arsenal should go after Cahill instead, I think you should check Bolton stats. Their defensive record is not any better.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: dwn on August 31, 2011, 09:20:13 AM
I disagree with this.. For as much shit that England is their strongest position has always been central defence. The reason is simple, it is a workhorse position that requires little skill and plenty brute force - which falls right down the alley of the average English player.

England has never been wanting for world class stoppers... Tony Adams, Martin Keown, Sol Campbell, Rio Ferdinand, John Terry, Ledley King etc etc etc were/are world class central defenders... The list goes on and on, if Terry and Ferdinand get injured today any of Cahill, Dawson, Upson, Lescott, Johnson, Shawcross could step in and fill in.. I don't think many other national teams have that kinda depth.

Me personally, i woulda spend the extra 10m and take Cahill. The man already familiar with the English league and is a known commodity, he young and he have motivation to push for a spot in the England team. Also yuh cyah overlook the fact that he English, dem kinda men does be valuable in dem "get stuck in" kinda games like Stoke and Arsenal need that.

Per is much more of a gamble.  He could come in and establish himself alongside Vermalean as a solid central defensive pairing but in the same speed he could pop down and get exposed for lack of speed to keep up with the pace of the EPL.

Anyway, anything better than Djourou and Koscielney right now.

I think Ferdinand and Terry are good defenders. But some of those other names you called are not very good at all. Especially Upson and Dawson.

Koscielny not looking as bad as Djourou right now. If anything Koscielny looks physically stronger and his heading has improved. Djourou on the other hand seems to be regressing.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: JDB on August 31, 2011, 09:41:37 AM
I hadda say that I agree more with Killa and Dinho.

Mertesacker is not as good as Rio and Terry. Yes they get hype, yes Rio didn’t really fulfill potential and use to have concentration lapses and yes they benefit from partnerships….But with all that they better then Mertesacker.

But that is not the real comparison the comparison is Cahill and I also feel that he is a surer bet but that is why yuh pay more money to minimize risk. Cahill is also a much better ball player than Mertesacker. He have skills to play in midfield and could start or finish an attacking play.

Anyway even Wenger had doubts about Mertesacker. Apparently they look at him plenty last year and went for Cahill first.

Also heard an interesting piece of news that Arsenal bid 8M for Jones in January but Blackburn ask for 10M and Arsenal decide to sit back and wait them out. Jones sign new contract with buyout clause and United snap him up despite Wenger coming in for him prepared to pay the 16M too. For all Dansteel talk Jones is a player. At 19 years Jones is well ahead of where Rio was at that age and he will be developing at a big club not at West Ham and Leeds where Rio was a big pappy making one setta mistakes while everbody was fawning over him..

Also heard that Wenger only pay 12M for Oxtail-Chamberlain because United was in for him so they went in real high.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: kicker on August 31, 2011, 09:46:34 AM
Dan doh make meh cuss yuh eh!!  Wha de ass u talking bout biting bait?  So I doh watch dem play whenever I have an opportunity so I can assess fuyh mehself right?  Allyuh eh bet allyuh could say dumb ass shit when allyuh want to pontificate and pretend like allyuh ha some better vantage point oui!!  ::)

Thanks fuh not cussin meh haha... I eh pontificating anymore that you fella... I throw a lil bait 'tuh get under yuh skin 'cause as usual you rhell hyper and it kinda funny lol... I also doh have a better vantage point.  I just have a less flaterring opinion of Terry & Rio... and I find for players who don't really stand out for any special qualities, the british media is love up dem men too much.  

JDB, I never say they weren't better than Mertesacker- I actually said that I don't rate Mertesacker...I find him a lil clumsy to be honest.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on August 31, 2011, 09:56:52 AM
Thanks fuh not cussin meh haha... I eh pontificating anymore that you fella... I throw a lil bait 'tuh get under yuh skin 'cause as usual you rhell hyper and it kinda funny lol... I also doh have a better vantage point.  I just have a less flaterring opinion of Terry & Rio... I not really on them, and I find for players who don't really stand out for any special qualities, the british media is love up dem men too much.  

JDB, I never say they weren't better than Mertesacker- I said that I don't rate Mertesacker...

I make yuh out long time playin yuh tryin to antagonize me fella ;D

I kno yuh not on dem and is not to say I on dem needa eh, but ah get to see enough of them over the years.  Germany is also one of the national sides I like to watch so I watch Per and while he not prone to as many mental lapses as Rio was he behind in the overall physical ability and attributes IMO.  Per never really get expose much because the German midfield has been very strong for quite some time now.  Is not often Per an dem been really put under severe pressure so de results more often flatter to decieve.  To me (getting to the real point) Cahill is a much better and more dynamic player that would likely fit in better at Arsenal.  Knowing the EPL is a plus, wanting to make the first XI on the national team is another plus that to me will also pay dividends.  The man have the ability to make a forray into the middle if necessary with the ball and have enough pace to chase dong and ketch forwards, so to me he make all the sense in the world and it ha nutten to do with being English.  Buh Dansteel an dem like de empty trophy case so I truly hope they sign Per before the day done!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: kicker on August 31, 2011, 10:34:32 AM
I make yuh out long time playin yuh tryin to antagonize me fella ;D

I kno yuh not on dem and is not to say I on dem needa eh, but ah get to see enough of them over the years.  Germany is also one of the national sides I like to watch so I watch Per and while he not prone to as many mental lapses as Rio was he behind in the overall physical ability and attributes IMO.  Per never really get expose much because the German midfield has been very strong for quite some time now.  Is not often Per an dem been really put under severe pressure so de results more often flatter to decieve.  To me (getting to the real point) Cahill is a much better and more dynamic player that would likely fit in better at Arsenal.  Knowing the EPL is a plus, wanting to make the first XI on the national team is another plus that to me will also pay dividends.  The man have the ability to make a forray into the middle if necessary with the ball and have enough pace to chase dong and ketch forwards, so to me he make all the sense in the world and it ha nutten to do with being English.  Buh Dansteel an dem like de empty trophy case so I truly hope they sign Per before the day done!

Fair enough...price tag is clearly a factor.  The way Wenger does move, that $10M he'll save on Cahill he could pick up some 16 years olds from Togo, Zaire, Burkina Faso and Marseille...who nobody never hear bout lol
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on August 31, 2011, 11:50:51 AM
Mertesacker, Santos done deal
Benayoum from Chelsea looks very likely
Big rumor on Arteta
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: kicker on August 31, 2011, 12:16:03 PM
Benayoun looks to be a good fit there - Very Wenger-like player, but no spring chicken anymore...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on August 31, 2011, 12:16:42 PM
Benayoun looks to be a good fit there - Very Wenger-like player, but no spring chicken anymore...

Yeah I think he'll actually do well there
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on August 31, 2011, 01:16:34 PM
cheap bastards...cant even fork out a lil extra for Arteta

Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: dwn on August 31, 2011, 01:22:47 PM
Truth about the Traore transfer  ;D ;D

Arsene Wenger is notoriously secretive about his transfer activity, and the latest rumor from an equally notorious source has given us plenty of reason to believe why this is the case. Word on the back pages of scrap book somewhere is that Arsenal actually paid QPR to take Senegalese left back Armand Traore off of the Gunners books. Just when we thought the modern transfer window could not get any more outrageous…

The fee, reported to be around £7million pounds, was negotiated between the two clubs moments after the final whistle of Arsenal’s humiliating 8-2 loss to Manchester United. QPR accepted, but not before turning down a ‘derisory’ bid thought to be around £2 million plus Armand.

It’s the first time in the history of the Premier League transfer window that a team has received a transfer fee for a player coming in, and (despite being the only transfer of this nature) Traore’s move has also been officially listed as a Premiership record for the ‘lowest’ fee ever paid by a club. The figure also sets a QPR transfer fee record surpassing the £6 million the club received from Newcastle United for Les Ferdinand in June 1995.

An unnamed source commented: “We couldn’t believe it when Arsenal made the offer. It just said that they would give us Armand Traore and cash, but didn’t say who they were interested in getting in return. I sat waiting for the rest of the fax… I thought that they must be after one of our academy prospects.”

Meanwhile it is thought that Wenger used complex financial model to compute that with future Champions League qualification at risk, Traore was in fact a £9million liability to the club and that the deal should be viewed as Arsenal clearing its debts – an idea described by club officials as ‘revolutionary’.

With the move completed, Arsenal now have the room to bring in much needed defensive reinforcements. Brazilian international Andre Santos and German stopper Per Mertesacker are thought to be on their way to club. Premiership newboys QPR also see the transfer as a means to bolstering their inexperienced squad and latest news is that they will be using the monies received to buy a new left back.

Just a little kicks I wrote in my blog: http://arsenalnow.blogspot.com/ (http://arsenalnow.blogspot.com/)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Mose on August 31, 2011, 01:37:29 PM
Mertesacker, Santos done deal
Benayoum from Chelsea looks very likely
Big rumor on Arteta
Arteta deal seems to be off.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/14739185.stm
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 31, 2011, 02:09:44 PM
Benayoun looks to be a good fit there - Very Wenger-like player, but no spring chicken anymore...

Yeah I think he'll actually do well there
ride out with benayoun wil be another rosicky or AA on the park doing a lot of nothing playing out of position or no clue whats going on
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 31, 2011, 02:10:50 PM
cheap bastards...cant even fork out a lil extra for Arteta

ride out bumcee  :rotfl:

we really dont want/need another injury prone player at the grove thank you very much
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 31, 2011, 02:19:21 PM
Truth about the Traore transfer  ;D ;D

Arsene Wenger is notoriously secretive about his transfer activity, and the latest rumor from an equally notorious source has given us plenty of reason to believe why this is the case. Word on the back pages of scrap book somewhere is that Arsenal actually paid QPR to take Senegalese left back Armand Traore off of the Gunners books. Just when we thought the modern transfer window could not get any more outrageous…

The fee, reported to be around £7million pounds, was negotiated between the two clubs moments after the final whistle of Arsenal’s humiliating 8-2 loss to Manchester United. QPR accepted, but not before turning down a ‘derisory’ bid thought to be around £2 million plus Armand.

It’s the first time in the history of the Premier League transfer window that a team has received a transfer fee for a player coming in, and (despite being the only transfer of this nature) Traore’s move has also been officially listed as a Premiership record for the ‘lowest’ fee ever paid by a club. The figure also sets a QPR transfer fee record surpassing the £6 million the club received from Newcastle United for Les Ferdinand in June 1995.

An unnamed source commented: “We couldn’t believe it when Arsenal made the offer. It just said that they would give us Armand Traore and cash, but didn’t say who they were interested in getting in return. I sat waiting for the rest of the fax… I thought that they must be after one of our academy prospects.”

Meanwhile it is thought that Wenger used complex financial model to compute that with future Champions League qualification at risk, Traore was in fact a £9million liability to the club and that the deal should be viewed as Arsenal clearing its debts – an idea described by club officials as ‘revolutionary’.

With the move completed, Arsenal now have the room to bring in much needed defensive reinforcements. Brazilian international Andre Santos and German stopper Per Mertesacker are thought to be on their way to club. Premiership newboys QPR also see the transfer as a means to bolstering their inexperienced squad and latest news is that they will be using the monies received to buy a new left back.

Just a little kicks I wrote in my blog: http://arsenalnow.blogspot.com/ (http://arsenalnow.blogspot.com/)
if that were true we would gotten almunia eboue diaby rosicky  squillachi off of of our hands sooner
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: kicker on August 31, 2011, 02:28:03 PM
Premiership newboys QPR also see the transfer as a means to bolstering their inexperienced squad and latest news is that they will be using the monies received to buy a new left back.

Just a little kicks I wrote in my blog: http://arsenalnow.blogspot.com/ (http://arsenalnow.blogspot.com/)

haha...low blow.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 31, 2011, 02:35:12 PM
Premiership newboys QPR also see the transfer as a means to bolstering their inexperienced squad and latest news is that they will be using the monies received to buy a new left back.

Just a little kicks I wrote in my blog: http://arsenalnow.blogspot.com/ (http://arsenalnow.blogspot.com/)

haha...low blow./quote]

really? i am a better left back than him
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bakes on August 31, 2011, 02:42:58 PM
Benayoun looks to be a good fit there - Very Wenger-like player, but no spring chicken anymore...

I happy he ride nutten but facking pine at Chelsea... wish him luck at Arsenal.


Not really.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: kicker on August 31, 2011, 02:52:16 PM
I happy he ride nutten but facking pine at Chelsea... wish him luck at Arsenal.

Not really.

hahaha...a lil bitter are we?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Blue on August 31, 2011, 03:29:52 PM
official now - benayoun has signed with the arse.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: DeSoWa on August 31, 2011, 03:54:47 PM
cheap bastards...cant even fork out a lil extra for Arteta



STFU  :devil:

We get what we want!  ;D

@ArsenalOffside: To put it in perspective, tha'ts Gervinho, Park, Santos, Mertesacker, Arteta, & Yossi for about the price of Andy Carroll"  :rotfl:

Big Up!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: giggsy11 on August 31, 2011, 04:00:17 PM
Some of these signings a year or two to late!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Blue on August 31, 2011, 04:29:30 PM
Some of these signings a year or two to late!

Fabregas & Nasri replaced by Arteta & Benayoun.....lets be honest, there was no serious planning going on here lol
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: DeSoWa on August 31, 2011, 04:32:35 PM
Some of these signings a year or two to late!

Fabregas & Nasri replaced by Arteta & Benayoun.....lets be honest, there was no serious planning going on here lol

Let's be honest - these are not meant to replace those players, but to enhance the team because of the lost of those players. We can't ever replace FAB!

Big Up!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Blue on August 31, 2011, 04:34:08 PM
Some of these signings a year or two to late!

Fabregas & Nasri replaced by Arteta & Benayoun.....lets be honest, there was no serious planning going on here lol

Let's be honest - these are not meant to replace those players, but to enhance the team because of the lost of those players. We can't ever replace FAB!

Big Up!
enhance? wid £60m yuh could have had a better go at it...this season looks like an epic failure....and now even Arsenal's website has crashed  :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: giggsy11 on August 31, 2011, 04:35:44 PM
Some of these signings a year or two to late!

Fabregas & Nasri replaced by Arteta & Benayoun.....lets be honest, there was no serious planning going on here lol

I mean if they could have signed them sooner they could have have had better depth and some experienced players in the room.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Blue on August 31, 2011, 04:36:39 PM
Some of these signings a year or two to late!

Fabregas & Nasri replaced by Arteta & Benayoun.....lets be honest, there was no serious planning going on here lol

I mean if they could have signed them sooner they could have have had better depth and some experienced players in the room.

u mean in the treatment room?  :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: DeSoWa on August 31, 2011, 04:37:30 PM
Some of these signings a year or two to late!

Fabregas & Nasri replaced by Arteta & Benayoun.....lets be honest, there was no serious planning going on here lol

Let's be honest - these are not meant to replace those players, but to enhance the team because of the lost of those players. We can't ever replace FAB!

Big Up!
enhance? wid £60m yuh could have had a better go at it...this season looks like an epic failure....and now even Arsenal's website has crashed  :rotfl:

Hope you did not pay £60m for that crystal ball of yours  ;D We would be just fine. You go worry about your ageing team  :devil:

Big Up!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Blue on August 31, 2011, 04:41:28 PM
Some of these signings a year or two to late!

Fabregas & Nasri replaced by Arteta & Benayoun.....lets be honest, there was no serious planning going on here lol

Let's be honest - these are not meant to replace those players, but to enhance the team because of the lost of those players. We can't ever replace FAB!

Big Up!
enhance? wid £60m yuh could have had a better go at it...this season looks like an epic failure....and now even Arsenal's website has crashed  :rotfl:

Hope you did not pay £60m for that crystal ball of yours  ;D We would be just fine. You go worry about your ageing team  :devil:

Big Up!

This transfer window:
Lukaku - 18
Davila -20
Mata - 23
Lucas Piazon (eligible to play in January) - 17
Courtois - 19
Romeu - 19

We have it under control  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: giggsy11 on August 31, 2011, 04:49:57 PM
Some of these signings a year or two to late!

Fabregas & Nasri replaced by Arteta & Benayoun.....lets be honest, there was no serious planning going on here lol

I mean if they could have signed them sooner they could have have had better depth and some experienced players in the room.

u mean in the treatment room?  :rotfl:

Wait you gettin rell cocky! Yuh must be feelin good about yuh ole side! ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: DeSoWa on August 31, 2011, 04:52:23 PM
Some of these signings a year or two to late!

Fabregas & Nasri replaced by Arteta & Benayoun.....lets be honest, there was no serious planning going on here lol

Let's be honest - these are not meant to replace those players, but to enhance the team because of the lost of those players. We can't ever replace FAB!

Big Up!
enhance? wid £60m yuh could have had a better go at it...this season looks like an epic failure....and now even Arsenal's website has crashed  :rotfl:

Hope you did not pay £60m for that crystal ball of yours  ;D We would be just fine. You go worry about your ageing team  :devil:

Big Up!

This transfer window:
Lukaku - 18
Davila -20
Mata - 23
Lucas Piazon (eligible to play in January) - 17
Courtois - 19
Romeu - 19

We have it under control  ;D

Hope it's not too late :) Why you guys got ride of Sturridge again for?

Big Up!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Blue on August 31, 2011, 04:53:11 PM
Some of these signings a year or two to late!

Fabregas & Nasri replaced by Arteta & Benayoun.....lets be honest, there was no serious planning going on here lol

I mean if they could have signed them sooner they could have have had better depth and some experienced players in the room.

u mean in the treatment room?  :rotfl:

Wait you gettin rell cocky! Yuh must be feelin good about yuh ole side! ;D

Not really, I does jus catch kix off arsenal lol
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on August 31, 2011, 05:05:07 PM
Some of these signings a year or two to late!

Fabregas & Nasri replaced by Arteta & Benayoun.....lets be honest, there was no serious planning going on here lol

Personally I think Arteta is a serious baller. Not sold on the center back from Germany, stiff and slow, but we will see. Santos solid and is a good addition to attack from deep.
Benayoun is depth.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: dinho on August 31, 2011, 06:50:53 PM
All said and done I think these are some good buys..

Arteta could flourish at Arsenal if he stays fit, he is the type of player that can quickly fit into the Arsenal philosophy. Santos and Mertesacker on the surface seems to address the depth issue in defense and Benayoun is good cover.

This Arsenal lineup looks light ages better than what the reality was yesterday:

Szecsney

Sagna Mertesacker Vermaelen Santos

   Arteta   Song   Wilshire

Walcott  RVP  Gervinho
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bourbon on August 31, 2011, 06:55:17 PM
Well it pointless getting a good cutass and yuh eh learn from why yuh get it eh.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: JDB on August 31, 2011, 07:02:32 PM
Arsenal do well in the end. Can't believe they make an opening bid of 4M. Once fit Arteta will shine for them.

But Arsenal fans should thank United for the 8 goals. Like Wenger get tootoolbay now he buying 30 year old players and all.

This frantic final day confirm that he was really Planning to run the season with the set of dead horse he had in the squad last week.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on August 31, 2011, 07:16:43 PM
If wenger wins anything with this squad I shall christen them "ARSENE'S INGLORIOUS BASTERDS"
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Peong on August 31, 2011, 07:21:18 PM
A slew of reactionary signings.  Wenger must be praying they work out well.
Benayoun is good though, he can run the attack with his play.  Since West Ham I think he hardly get to start.  Arsenal will be good for him and he will be good for AA, light a fire under his Russian behind.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 01, 2011, 05:17:32 AM
Or Benayoun ends up just another version of AA or Rosicky with no real goal just sorta on the pitch and usually loose possession or shoot wild

Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Jah Gol on September 01, 2011, 06:37:00 AM
All said and done I think these are some good buys..

Arteta could flourish at Arsenal if he stays fit, he is the type of player that can quickly fit into the Arsenal philosophy. Santos and Mertesacker on the surface seems to address the depth issue in defense and Benayoun is good cover.

This Arsenal lineup looks light ages better than what the reality was yesterday:

Szecsney

Sagna Mertesacker Vermaelen Santos

   Arteta   Song   Wilshire

Walcott  RVP  Gervinho
In a matter of days. They too slack. That's actually a competitive team now.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: kicker on September 01, 2011, 07:41:23 AM
Or Benayoun ends up just another version of AA or Rosicky with no real goal just sorta on the pitch and usually loose possession or shoot wild



You obviously never seen Benayoun play.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on September 01, 2011, 08:09:38 AM
Or Benayoun ends up just another version of AA or Rosicky with no real goal just sorta on the pitch and usually loose possession or shoot wild



You obviously never seen Benayoun play.

It doh seem so nah.  When at liverpool it was almost guranteed that once he came on goals would be scored.  He is much more skilled that many starters who play the exact same position in the EPL.  If wenger smart he will play Benayoun in the hole behind RVP whenever he deploys him.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Mose on September 01, 2011, 11:08:24 AM
If wenger wins anything with this squad I shall christen them "ARSENE'S INGLORIOUS BASTERDS"
This squad is an improvement over what yuh had on Sunday!!! Once Fabregas and Nasri went yuh didn't have much choice. And with de licks alyuh get  on Sunday not too many top players looking to come your way. Maybe yuh won't win any trophies but yuh should still be in the running for a European spot for next season. So thank god allyuh was able to bring in some replacements and back yuh side nah!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 01, 2011, 11:16:01 AM
If wenger wins anything with this squad I shall christen them "ARSENE'S INGLORIOUS BASTERDS"
This squad is an improvement over what yuh had on Sunday!!! Once Fabregas and Nasri went yuh didn't have much choice. And with de licks alyuh get  on Sunday not too many top players looking to come your way. Maybe yuh won't win any trophies but yuh should still be in the running for a European spot for next season. So thank god allyuh was able to bring in some replacements and back yuh side nah!

I am hence the name! no one is giving them or arsenal a chance in hell i hope they rough up the prem n europe good now, wishful thinking but would be great to watch till next may
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 01, 2011, 11:21:03 AM
so sept games are as follows:

Swansea home on sat
dortmund away on tue
blackburn away on sat
shresbury home on tue
bolton home on sat
olympiakos home on wed

we should win the prem games although bolton is always a test, swansea have something to prove everygame this season and blackburn maybe so hopefully we pull out 9/9 points there

carling cup we shuold win depending on what mad jumble squad wenger sends out

euro games looking tough hopefully  they had enough practice to gel better by then
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Mose on September 01, 2011, 11:53:30 AM
If wenger wins anything with this squad I shall christen them "ARSENE'S INGLORIOUS BASTERDS"
This squad is an improvement over what yuh had on Sunday!!! Once Fabregas and Nasri went yuh didn't have much choice. And with de licks alyuh get  on Sunday not too many top players looking to come your way. Maybe yuh won't win any trophies but yuh should still be in the running for a European spot for next season. So thank god allyuh was able to bring in some replacements and back yuh side nah!

I am hence the name! no one is giving them or arsenal a chance in hell i hope they rough up the prem n wurope good now, wishful thinking but would be great to watch till next may

I am! I'm not a big fan of Wenger but his team plays a very entertaining and enjoyable brand of football so I wouldn't like to see him leave Arsenal.
Cheers! :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 02, 2011, 06:37:18 AM
what d ass is it with some defenders boy!

first gallas picks number 10 now he's gone that has been restored...

now santos comes along and picks 11 i mean wtf is like men fighting for shirt numbers in abag at a fete match

stupid hope he effin scores as many as a number 11 AND defends like a fricking champion!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on September 02, 2011, 09:15:45 AM
what d ass is it with some defenders boy!

first gallas picks number 10 now he's gone that has been restored...

now santos comes along and picks 11 i mean wtf is like men fighting for shirt numbers in abag at a fete match

stupid hope he effin scores as many as a number 11 AND defends like a fricking champion!

Shoot is jes a number ... don't mean nothing!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 02, 2011, 10:28:33 AM
what d ass is it with some defenders boy!

first gallas picks number 10 now he's gone that has been restored...

now santos comes along and picks 11 i mean wtf is like men fighting for shirt numbers in abag at a fete match

stupid hope he effin scores as many as a number 11 AND defends like a fricking champion!

Shoot is jes a number ... don't mean nothing!!!
Apparently was the lowest number available. Just be glad we fulfilled all the transfer goals we set at the end of last season, except keeping Na$ri and Cesc, which wasn't up to us in the end.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 02, 2011, 04:03:41 PM
http://www.kckrs.com/table-adjusted-for-referee-errors-shows-arsenal-were-cheated-last-season/ (http://www.kckrs.com/table-adjusted-for-referee-errors-shows-arsenal-were-cheated-last-season/)

do dey and read n see where arsenal would reach in d league if ALL the questionable ref decisions were made correctly

talking about things determind by replay or technology to assist...read d thing fus before comments
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on September 02, 2011, 04:27:58 PM
Saw Alex Chamberlain play yesterday for eng u21 ..... ummmm this fella have something ... and if they comparing him to Walcott he is technically superior ... Walcott may be quicker (and only just...) but he cyah cross and pass like Chamberlain and he doh have as much tricks .... inject a lil confidence in this youth and some right backs goh be getting kill on a regular ... he have real pace but he have the behind the back cutback on the run and some wrong addresses .... he nice ....  ;D

QRC had a winger back in the day named Walter Alibey he kinda remind me of him ... he used to run at ya like yuh shoot he muddah or something!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: fari on September 02, 2011, 06:00:29 PM
Saw Alex Chamberlain play yesterday for eng u21 ..... ummmm this fella have something ... and if they comparing him to Walcott he is technically superior ... Walcott may be quicker (and only just...) but he cyah cross and pass like Chamberlain and he doh have as much tricks .... inject a lil confidence in this youth and some right backs goh be getting kill on a regular ... he have real pace but he have the behind the back cutback on the run and some wrong addresses .... he nice ....  ;D

QRC had a winger back in the day named Walter Alibey he kinda remind me of him ... he used to run at ya like yuh shoot he muddah or something!!!

that is what i was saying also.  this youth go be real tears on the wing, he have pace, tricks and he is confident. cant wait to see him in CC.

also andre santos wearing #11   the man start 52 times for fenerbahce and scored like 11 goals last season.   some strikers cant boast them numbers :o
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 04, 2011, 12:50:18 PM
Wilshere out 3 months. Damn shame but at least we got Arteta and Benayoun. When will these blasted injury crises end?!?!?!?!?!?
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Post by: GunnerStunner on September 04, 2011, 05:29:33 PM
Here we go again!
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Post by: Ngozi on September 04, 2011, 06:47:37 PM
He's been out we have coverage for him Arteta , Ramsey and co.
I suspect the midfield will be Arteta, Song, Frimpong
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Post by: Bitter on September 04, 2011, 09:45:41 PM
Barcelona VP says €29m for Cesc Fábregas from Arsenal was a bargain
• Josep Maria Bartomeu pleased with 'very good deal'
• 'He lowered his value by saying that he really wanted to go'

guardian.co.uk,   
Sunday 4 September 2011 22.24 BST
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/sep/04/barcelona-cesc-fabregas-arsenal

Barcelona's midfielder Cesc Fábregas has made a fine start to life back in Catalonia following his move from Arsenal. Photograph: Lluis Gene/AFP/Getty Images
The Barcelona vice-president, Josep Maria Bartomeu, has said that the club's €29m (£24.5m) acquisition of Cesc Fábregas from Arsenal was "a very good deal" for the European champions, because the Spain midfielder is worth double that amount.

Fábregas completed his protracted return to his boyhood team last month, eight years after leaving to sign for Arsenal as a teenager, in 2003. The 24-year-old has since made an impressive start to life back in Catalonia. He scored a stunning goal in the European Super Cup against Porto and also scored against Villarreal on his La Liga debut, prompting Bartomeu to observe that the World Cup winner's real valuation is closer to the €60m Arsenal initially demanded than the €29m – which could rise to €40m – they eventually got.

"The transfer of Cesc was a very good deal for us," Bartomeu said. "The price on the open market wouldn't have been €29m but he lowered his value by saying that he really wanted to go to Barcelona. His real price was what Arsenal initially asked – at least €60m. The fact that we announced in advance that we would only spend €45m this summer worked to our advantage. Clubs were already aware of our position."

Bartomeu is hopeful that the coach, Pep Guardiola, who has taken Barça to three successive La Liga titles and two Champions League crowns since taking over in the summer of 2008, will commit to the club beyond this season.

"He's very smart and he will say [when he's ready to talk]," said Bartomeu. "We will give all the tools so that when we talk it will be very difficult to say no."

Reports on Sunday night claimed that Barça had reached a pre-contract agreement with Santos for the Brazil striker Neymar to sign in two years' time – something the Brazilian club deny. Bartomeu was coy on the topic.

He said: "He's a great player and young. There are European clubs who want him. It is Barcelona's obligation to follow young talent who will be good."
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 04, 2011, 11:32:52 PM
Yeah, funny how they come out with that. Partially true but probably just trying to make Barca look good on the transfer. Nice to know they haven't learned any class since the deal was done.
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Post by: Ngozi on September 05, 2011, 07:46:54 AM
Cesc: Wenger lowered asking price


September 5, 2011
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Barcelona midfielder Cesc Fabregas has continued his impassioned defence of Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger, insisting the Frenchman is the only reason he is now playing for his boyhood club.



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Cesc Fabregas has much respect for his former boss Arsene Wenger
• Barcelona: Fabregas worth £53m

Fabregas, who has made a flying start to his second stint with the Catalan giants, had to bide his time before being granted a move back to Barcelona, after the two parties took over a year to reach an agreement over his eventual £25 million initial transfer fee.

Wenger is still widely criticised among the Spanish club's fanbase for 'abducting' Fabregas as a youth player, but the 24-year-old insists that is an unfair assessment - revealing that it was actually Wenger who played a crucial role in forcing down Arsenal's asking price so he could leave.

"That is the wrong picture of him, had it not been for him, I would not now be a Barca player," Fabregas told El Pais. "Without him I would not have made my debut by 16, played in the final of the Champions League at 18 and been team captain by 20.

"Without him I would not be a Barca player now, he convinced the owners of Arsenal, who would not sell under any circumstances, to lower the price."

Returning to Barcelona having come up through their fabled La Masia academy before heading for London, Fabregas admits that he still has some work to do to get up to speed with his team-mates, both tactically and technically.

"I feel I still have much to learn, this team is highly mechanised and there are things I have to catch up on particularly in defence," he said. "I have never seen a team that is so focused on the attack-defend transition - playing against Barcelona is very complicated but playing at the club is not so easy and that is the challenge.

"I honestly feel that at times I may hinder them, but they are good at fixing it and hiding it, I must adapt to them and learn.

"It is the most beautiful thing I have seen in my life, all you hear is the ball going - tap, tap, tap - I have never seen so much training at this level."

Observers had initially suggested that, with the likes of Xavi, Andres Iniesta and Lionel Messi already in the squad, Fabregas would have to bide his time and wait for first-team opportunities. So far that has not proven to be the case, with Fabregas slotting in at a number of positions in most games, but he is willing to make way if any of the three start to get frustrated with being asked to make way.

"It is clear that only players like Xavi, Iniesta and Messi could complain about a lack of playing time, and if they did complain I would respect that, so I will play when I play," he said.

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Post by: Bakes on September 05, 2011, 01:32:19 PM
Oxlade-Chamberlain looks like a shrewd buy... he currently starring for the England U-21.  Watching them play Israel right now and England trailed 0-1 at halftime.  Stuart Pearce bring him on at halftime and he promptly set up two goals to send England up with half an hour to go.

EDIT:  Now he just earn penalty... 3-1 England with 5 mins to go in regulation.  He showing real pace, vision and some nice close control touches, say nothing of the creativity in setting up goals for others.


EDIT again:  Look he now set up another one... 4-1 England 90+3'
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Post by: Bitter on September 05, 2011, 02:05:40 PM
Oxlade-Chamberlain looks like a shrewd buy... he currently starring for the England U-21.  Watching them play Israel right now and England trailed 0-1 at halftime.  Stuart Pearce bring him on at halftime and he promptly set up two goals to send England up with half an hour to go.

EDIT:  Now he just earn penalty... 3-1 England with 5 mins to go in regulation.  He showing real pace, vision and some nice close control touches, say nothing of the creativity in setting up goals for others.


EDIT again:  Look he now set up another one... 4-1 England 90+3'

Yeah,
If that fella keep up his form, he will be poison at the senior level.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 05, 2011, 02:17:37 PM
Oxlade-Chamberlain looks like a shrewd buy... he currently starring for the England U-21.  Watching them play Israel right now and England trailed 0-1 at halftime.  Stuart Pearce bring him on at halftime and he promptly set up two goals to send England up with half an hour to go.

EDIT:  Now he just earn penalty... 3-1 England with 5 mins to go in regulation.  He showing real pace, vision and some nice close control touches, say nothing of the creativity in setting up goals for others.


EDIT again:  Look he now set up another one... 4-1 England 90+3'

 :applause: :applause: :applause:

Hope he can do that for Arsenal.
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Post by: Bakes on September 05, 2011, 03:26:36 PM
If Theo insists on a more central role, this just might be the fella who will facilitate that move... and that's not necessarily a good thing for Theo, because if he flop he ent getting back that right wing spot.  I dunno where Arsene have Oxlade-Chamberlain playing right now, but Israel had no answer for him on the wing today... granted he came on with fresh legs. 

The first two goals were beauties... on the first, no so much the goal, but the setup.  He coming down the flank with real pace, Walcott style, but had two defenders on him.  He stop the ball fuh a fraction of a second as though going fuh ah pull back, except he push it endline again, defender fall down all kinda thing... creating space for a perfectly flighted ball backpost to Waghorn for the equalizer.  I like Theo, always have... but yuh know if that was him that ball was ending up in de stands behind goal or out of play on the far side.

The second was a real beauty... but more the finish than the setup.  He juke two men and centered to Marvin Sordell (this kid's first touch is incredible... all day he was impressing with his touch and control... the two CB's and GK had they hands full until de dam burst) who controlled, tight turn and one-time into the side netting from about 20 meters out... real class on the trap/turn/shot... CBs hardly know what hit them.

Third was also nice, AOC dribble past two men and the third bring him down naively in the box.  Delfouneso then step up to take the penalty.  On the final goal it was another right-sided cross from AOC to Delfouneso for the simple finish.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 05, 2011, 03:44:38 PM
Theo finishing and movement not good enough for a central role yet. It real improve since 09/10 but he not ready yet. Wenger played Ox on the left in the Man U game which is where he mainly played for Southampton.

If Theo insists on a more central role, this just might be the fella who will facilitate that move... and that's not necessarily a good thing for Theo, because if he flop he ent getting back that right wing spot.  I dunno where Arsene have Oxlade-Chamberlain playing right now, but Israel had no answer for him on the wing today... granted he came on with fresh legs. 

The first two goals were beauties... on the first, no so much the goal, but the setup.  He coming down the flank with real pace, Walcott style, but had two defenders on him.  He stop the ball fuh a fraction of a second as though going fuh ah pull back, except he push it endline again, defender fall down all kinda thing... creating space for a perfectly flighted ball backpost to Waghorn for the equalizer.  I like Theo, always have... but yuh know if that was him that ball was ending up in de stands behind goal or out of play on the far side.

The second was a real beauty... but more the finish than the setup.  He juke two men and centered to Marvin Sordell (this kid's first touch is incredible... all day he was impressing with his touch and control... the two CB's and GK had they hands full until de dam burst) who controlled, tight turn and one-time into the side netting from about 20 meters out... real class on the trap/turn/shot... CBs hardly know what hit them.

Third was also nice, AOC dribble past two men and the third bring him down naively in the box.  Delfouneso then step up to take the penalty.  On the final goal it was another right-sided cross from AOC to Delfouneso for the simple finish.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 05, 2011, 03:57:28 PM
Wenger 2 game UEFA ban upheld. Never mind he checked with the UEFA delegate before passing instructions to the bench through a third party.

I await the outcome of Mourinho passing notes (on TV no less) to the bench after he was sent to the stands in the CL semi final, or the racist chanting at Euro 2012 qualifiers this weekend. Because we all know what paragons of consistency and intelligence UEFA are.
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Post by: Ngozi on September 05, 2011, 04:02:24 PM
If Theo insists on a more central role, this just might be the fella who will facilitate that move... and that's not necessarily a good thing for Theo, because if he flop he ent getting back that right wing spot.  I dunno where Arsene have Oxlade-Chamberlain playing right now, but Israel had no answer for him on the wing today... granted he came on with fresh legs. 

The first two goals were beauties... on the first, no so much the goal, but the setup.  He coming down the flank with real pace, Walcott style, but had two defenders on him.  He stop the ball fuh a fraction of a second as though going fuh ah pull back, except he push it endline again, defender fall down all kinda thing... creating space for a perfectly flighted ball backpost to Waghorn for the equalizer.  I like Theo, always have... but yuh know if that was him that ball was ending up in de stands behind goal or out of play on the far side.

The second was a real beauty... but more the finish than the setup.  He juke two men and centered to Marvin Sordell (this kid's first touch is incredible... all day he was impressing with his touch and control... the two CB's and GK had they hands full until de dam burst) who controlled, tight turn and one-time into the side netting from about 20 meters out... real class on the trap/turn/shot... CBs hardly know what hit them.

Third was also nice, AOC dribble past two men and the third bring him down naively in the box.  Delfouneso then step up to take the penalty.  On the final goal it was another right-sided cross from AOC to Delfouneso for the simple finish.

This go sound strange but I cyah wait to see him and Ryo let loose in the carlling cup them two go be real tears ayah!!

This is the kinda quality as a young player Arsenal looking for not the Denilson's or the Gibbs who always injured or Vela who is ridiculously inconsistent!
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Post by: Bakes on September 05, 2011, 05:43:01 PM
Here are all the goals:

http://www.youtube.com/v/x1ycb9ANx9E


Even better looks at each goal... I was wrong about two things, the defender didn't fall on the AOC move, he just stumble a little, lol.  Also, the last goal was Lansbury, not Delfouneso.

http://www.footballalive.com/Highlights/7689/England-vs-Israel-U21-Highlights-Live-Streaming.aspx



Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain Shines in England U21 Win


05/9/2011 1:52 PM GMT

By Darren Witcoop

(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.co.uk/media/2011/09/marvin-sordell-sari-falah-0.gif)

Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain created all four second-half goals as England's Under-21s eased past Israel at Oakwell.

Oxlade-Chamberlain, who was a half-time substitute, showed why Arsenal spent £15 million on him last month after he stole the show in this comeback friendly win.

Mohammad Klibat had handed Israel a 25th minute lead – only for Stuart Pearce's side to go through the gears after the break as they clinched their second crushing win in a week.

Oxlade-Chamberlain kick-started the hosts into life when his surging run and cross saw Martyn Waghorn head home in the 58th minute before his pass saw Marvin Sordell strike home a 30-yard thunderbolt.

Oxlade-Chamberlain continued to torment the Israelis, forcing Ofir Davidzada into hauling him down for a 82nd minute penalty, which was converted by Nathan Delfouneso.

And he wasn't done there after crossing for Henri Lansbury to complete the scoring in injury-time.

http://www.fanhouse.co.uk/2011/09/05/england-u21-4-israel-u21-1-alex-oxlade-chamberlain-shines-in-en/
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on September 06, 2011, 01:33:07 AM
If Theo insists on a more central role, this just might be the fella who will facilitate that move... and that's not necessarily a good thing for Theo, because if he flop he ent getting back that right wing spot.  I dunno where Arsene have Oxlade-Chamberlain playing right now, but Israel had no answer for him on the wing today... granted he came on with fresh legs. 

The first two goals were beauties... on the first, no so much the goal, but the setup.  He coming down the flank with real pace, Walcott style, but had two defenders on him.  He stop the ball fuh a fraction of a second as though going fuh ah pull back, except he push it endline again, defender fall down all kinda thing... creating space for a perfectly flighted ball backpost to Waghorn for the equalizer.  I like Theo, always have... but yuh know if that was him that ball was ending up in de stands behind goal or out of play on the far side.

The second was a real beauty... but more the finish than the setup.  He juke two men and centered to Marvin Sordell (this kid's first touch is incredible... all day he was impressing with his touch and control... the two CB's and GK had they hands full until de dam burst) who controlled, tight turn and one-time into the side netting from about 20 meters out... real class on the trap/turn/shot... CBs hardly know what hit them.

Third was also nice, AOC dribble past two men and the third bring him down naively in the box.  Delfouneso then step up to take the penalty.  On the final goal it was another right-sided cross from AOC to Delfouneso for the simple finish.

Yo Sordell's goal was a missile!!!!
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Post by: GunnerStunner on September 06, 2011, 06:32:36 AM
Now TV joins Jack on the injury table!


When will it stop?

On another note, when will wenger unleash Ox n Ryo?
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 06, 2011, 12:09:19 PM
Now TV joins Jack on the injury table!


When will it stop?

On another note, when will wenger unleash Ox n Ryo?

They will probably come off the bench in a few comfortable games and start in the Carling Cup
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Post by: GunnerStunner on September 06, 2011, 03:35:10 PM
Now TV joins Jack on the injury table!


When will it stop?

On another note, when will wenger unleash Ox n Ryo?

They will probably come off the bench in a few comfortable games and start in the Carling Cup

i hate international week!
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Post by: GunnerStunner on September 07, 2011, 06:52:53 AM
So I just read a brit article on just how much of a bad fit Per is for arsenal defense saying we don't have the team or formation for him to defend well. Added to the fact he got benched first international game last week and then had a terrible displlay yesterday.  Somebody really put a Hex on the gooners boy? Or are we team people love to hate? Want to see fail? Hate us for our ethics and policies?  God I can't wait till we prove them wrong...and I will say nothing because they will coninue to bray at the moon, donkeys that think they are wolves just because they run in a pack
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Post by: JDB on September 07, 2011, 07:13:44 AM
Now TV joins Jack on the injury table!


When will it stop?

On another note, when will wenger unleash Ox n Ryo?

They will probably come off the bench in a few comfortable games and start in the Carling Cup

When Arsenal going to have a comfortable game?
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Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on September 07, 2011, 09:02:35 AM
So I just read a brit article on just how much of a bad fit Per is for arsenal defense saying we don't have the team or formation for him to defend well. Added to the fact he got benched first international game last week and then had a terrible displlay yesterday.  Somebody really put a Hex on the gooners boy? Or are we team people love to hate? Want to see fail? Hate us for our ethics andpolicirs?  God I can't wait till we prove them wrong...and I will say nothing because they will coninue to bray at the moon, donkeys that think they are wolves just because they run in a pack

I hope Per is everything I expect so ah could laugh even more at de stupidity of refusing to up the bid for Cahill.  I hope Dansteel happy when de season end with Per :devil:
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 07, 2011, 09:14:03 AM
So I just read a brit article on just how much of a bad fit Per is for arsenal defense saying we don't have the team or formation for him to defend well. Added to the fact he got benched first international game last week and then had a terrible displlay yesterday.  Somebody really put a Hex on the gooners boy? Or are we team people love to hate? Want to see fail? Hate us for our ethics andpolicirs?  God I can't wait till we prove them wrong...and I will say nothing because they will coninue to bray at the moon, donkeys that think they are wolves just because they run in a pack

I hope Per is everything I expect so ah could laugh even more at de stupidity of refusing to up the bid for Cahill.  I hope Dansteel happy when de season end with Per :devil:

I hope I'm not because you can't seem to get over my rejection of your nonsense. Your health and sanity is important to me. Too much Mad and not enough Scorpion these days.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 07, 2011, 09:37:37 AM
So I just read a brit article on just how much of a bad fit Per is for arsenal defense saying we don't have the team or formation for him to defend well. Added to the fact he got benched first international game last week and then had a terrible displlay yesterday.  Somebody really put a Hex on the gooners boy? Or are we team people love to hate? Want to see fail? Hate us for our ethics andpolicirs?  God I can't wait till we prove them wrong...and I will say nothing because they will coninue to bray at the moon, donkeys that think they are wolves just because they run in a pack

Didn't watch the game yesterday. Per is being supplanted by Mats Hummels in Germany side because Hummels is the best centre back on the planet so he not gonna start in front of him. Per is a decent player but he ent no star boy (he just better than Cahill - that one was for you, MAD Scorpion). Doh study it. You don't get 75 caps and start 2 World Cup semifinals and a Euro final by being a complete sh*thong, despite some people's opinions. As for whether he will fit in with Arsenal we will see. Germany usually play a deep defence whereas Arsenal has played an aggressive offside line for most of the past 20 years, so I expect it will take some adjustment. Don't really know how Werder Bremen play so I can't comment on it but the man positioning and reading of the game is good. We will see.

Oh and yesterday game was a friendly that ended 2-2 and Poland 2nd goal was a penalty given away by a foul from Germany's keeper.
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Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on September 07, 2011, 09:45:29 AM
So I just read a brit article on just how much of a bad fit Per is for arsenal defense saying we don't have the team or formation for him to defend well. Added to the fact he got benched first international game last week and then had a terrible displlay yesterday.  Somebody really put a Hex on the gooners boy? Or are we team people love to hate? Want to see fail? Hate us for our ethics andpolicirs?  God I can't wait till we prove them wrong...and I will say nothing because they will coninue to bray at the moon, donkeys that think they are wolves just because they run in a pack

Didn't watch the game yesterday. Per is being supplanted by Mats Hummels in Germany side because Hummels is the best centre back on the planet so he not gonna start in front of him. Per is a decent player but he ent no star boy (he just better than Cahill - that one was for you, MAD Scorpion). Doh study it. You don't get 75 caps and start 2 World Cup semifinals and a Euro final by being a complete sh*thong, despite some people's opinions. As for whether he will fit in with Arsenal we will see. Germany usually play a deep defence whereas Arsenal has played an aggressive offside line for most of the past 20 years, so I expect it will take some adjustment. Don't really know how Werder Bremen play so I can't comment on it but the man positioning and reading of the game is good. We will see.

Jess doh leh Bolton finish above allyuh in de standings eh caw despite de aquisitions allyuh still on rell shakey ground
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 07, 2011, 09:50:57 AM
So I just read a brit article on just how much of a bad fit Per is for arsenal defense saying we don't have the team or formation for him to defend well. Added to the fact he got benched first international game last week and then had a terrible displlay yesterday.  Somebody really put a Hex on the gooners boy? Or are we team people love to hate? Want to see fail? Hate us for our ethics andpolicirs?  God I can't wait till we prove them wrong...and I will say nothing because they will coninue to bray at the moon, donkeys that think they are wolves just because they run in a pack

Didn't watch the game yesterday. Per is being supplanted by Mats Hummels in Germany side because Hummels is the best centre back on the planet so he not gonna start in front of him. Per is a decent player but he ent no star boy (he just better than Cahill - that one was for you, MAD Scorpion). Doh study it. You don't get 75 caps and start 2 World Cup semifinals and a Euro final by being a complete sh*thong, despite some people's opinions. As for whether he will fit in with Arsenal we will see. Germany usually play a deep defence whereas Arsenal has played an aggressive offside line for most of the past 20 years, so I expect it will take some adjustment. Don't really know how Werder Bremen play so I can't comment on it but the man positioning and reading of the game is good. We will see.
Jess doh leh Bolton finish above allyuh in de standings eh caw despite de aquisitions allyuh still on rell shakey ground
We go see. Bringing in 9 new players never easy but I think our chances of finishing above Bolton are pretty good.
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Post by: jai john on September 07, 2011, 10:29:06 AM
Arsenal in the Emirates Cup vs boca juniors in pre season ....

Wenger eh looking for a midfield general ? he wasn't paying attention in this game or what ? leading 2-0 until the boca forwards found their scoring boots ..
Poetry in motion from de number 10 ...check de highlights folks ..I eh making dem up . silky smooth is how i like my football and if there was any doubt that Roman still has it ...here is the evidence . he kyah play in England !! ...so is who he playing against here ....just to keep him fit !!

well folks go say like I give up on meh boy ..long time I eh put een ah plug !...far from the truth folks ...just waiting to see him together with Messi for de albicelestes. i kyah wait to see messi getting rather than giving all the time for argentina . arsenal eh my team but Roman has a deep history with Arsenal ...and they struggling ..they need help .... So wenger might want to review this tape ...just need touches ok ..dais all  :beermug:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynReO82DTpE
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Post by: GunnerStunner on September 08, 2011, 12:11:06 PM
cannot wait for games to start back, real curiou sto see what happens on saturday and who is selected

still have suspensions and inuries....

i knwo a gooner on this forum wil be there hope to hear a report from him
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Post by: Observer on September 10, 2011, 10:00:24 AM
No cutting edge to Arsenal football at all. Slow slow build ups, no counter attack with speed and not one player able to run at the opposition. They need Gervinho

Walcott once again predictable and ineffective on the wing. Maybe he belongs up front or on the left where he can run inside & towards goal  ;D
Yes it will take time for the team to settle, but their football at presently very one dimensional.
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Post by: eyezahspy on September 10, 2011, 10:20:16 AM
A$$ anal is real lall  :rotfl:
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Post by: kicker on September 10, 2011, 10:28:57 AM
No cutting edge to Arsenal football at all. Slow slow build ups, no counter attack with speed and not one player able to run at the opposition. They need Gervinho

Walcott once again predictable and ineffective on the wing. Maybe he belongs up front or on the left where he can run inside & towards goal  ;D
Yes it will take time for the team to settle, but their football at presently very one dimensional.

Yeah they looked poor.  In their defense they still have a lot of players sidelined, and Swansea is actually a nice footballing team it looked like. 
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Post by: Ngozi on September 10, 2011, 11:05:53 AM
Well what a game eh lol
I'm not convinced as yet but I'll take the win... it's not to say I havent seen alot of positives but Ill just harp on some of the negatives first and get it out the way.

Arsharvin, his goal apart, is hurting this team more than helping it his attitide and lack of work rate warrants him staying on the bench I saw two occasions when we were caught out because he gave up on a play and  I saw one time when Frimpong screamed at his dumb ass for it as well.

Walcott is at a crosswords in his career he actually doesnt look good on the right side and he doesn't know when to take on the man or when to work the one two  ... he has two alternatives  keep switiching left and right side constantly (movement) or get a chance in the middle and I'm not convinced he will do well in the middle because of a couple things.
1) he might be too weak to play a post up game
2) Recently I've seen this creep into his game ... a bad f**king attitide .. everytime someone touches him he stops playing and starts whining and arguing with the ref and today he retaliated and got a yellow card ...this is the second yellow I've seen him get for retaliatory tactics ... together with the stupid pk he gave away vs Man United last week, plus there was a time I saw him screaming at the right back..... anybody screams at me like that on my team ketching a slap  wtf ....  he requires a slap to the head to tell him to get his shit together ..... I believe Chamberlain is a better option on the right side now because he matches him for pace and has genuine winger qualities.

Mertsaker cannot jump! We knew he would be slow but his strength was supposed to be his heading ability which I was not sold on today. Cahill might have actually been a better option!!! The season is still young though.

Our movement up top is bad which is why we can't keep the ball as much because the moment we got it to Walcott or arsharvin we lost it and they wouldnt hustle back! The difference between the top teams is the movement off the ball... movement creates opportunity for the midfielders to create chances and to keep possession .... how many times I'm seeing ramsey twisting and turning because the forward players are standing and Arteta holding his hands up looking for movement.  
When our season tilted last year this was a common symptom poor off the ball movement players standing around!!

The positives ... we won and kept a clean sheet.
I rate our goalie in the top 3 in the league and he will get even better.
Sagna did his thing with that tricky Scott Sinclair in there the young wing back would have gotten killed today!
There was one time when sinclair got in the box and Sagna made a comeback tackle in the box ... precision at it's best!!!

Kos was good the yellow card was silly but it was a good call by the ref.

Gibbs ... is actually very good ... he's better than Clichy and he's not slow ... if only he didnt have all those injuries but I can see why wenger has faith in him ...  one more thing he might be one of the best crossers of the ball in the league ... his technique is sublime and he's very consistent
Please stop getting injured so often.

In theory playing man united without these two wingbacks and an out of sorts Djourou we were just asking for trouble.

Onto the midfield  Ramsey is improving and he did well the one thing he does is keep the ball he doesnt see the game as early as wilshire or Arteta but he keeps moving and he gives you a pull defensively.

Arteta is nice!! He sees it, he plays it and he supports it great pickup.

Van Persie was his normal self unlucky with the one that hit the post for this system to work our wide men need to be doing more and taking it directly to them and as it stands we're getting nothing from them .... looking forward to having gervinho back and Song although I thought Frimpong did a good job too.

If you look at Man U ....  Nani and Young are their sparks they take it you all day killing you ..... walcott is faster than both but he can't do it ... we get our wings up to scratch well see a difference offensively.

The only player who could get the best out of Walcott is Fabregas he never gave him to feet he would always pick him out over the top or play him to run into it through the space .... oh Cesc how we miss you!

Francis Coquelin who came on the defensive mid who started vs man United and came on today is not good enough ... he dives in and his understanding of keeping possession is below par ... simply not good enough .. ordinary player at best!!!

Benayoun looks promising and he will work well when he gets a little fitter and I was pleased with what I saw from Chamhakk today I think arsene is the kinda manager who could get him up to scratch again needs a hand on his shoulder telling him he have his back.

Synopsis if attacking wise we need more wingplay then Arsene needs to get Ryo and Chamberlain involved   ... now! unleash them!
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Post by: Observer on September 10, 2011, 07:47:35 PM
Ngozi did you find that Frimpong gave the ball away far too much?
I am starting to get the feeling that if Walcott was not English he would be out of the Premiership.
Agree! Arshavin pulling stones, big time!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on September 10, 2011, 09:32:11 PM
That whole thing look like a preseason game.
Swansea will give people trouble. they still getting relegated eh - no goalscorer. But yuh ent go roll over them easy easy.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on September 10, 2011, 10:22:41 PM
Ngozi did you find that Frimpong gave the ball away far too much?
I am starting to get the feeling that if Walcott was not English he would be out of the Premiership.
Agree! Arshavin pulling stones, big time!!!

I think he did give the ball away a lil more than he normally would but,    the thing with him was anytime he gave it away he fought back for it or at least put some sort of pressure on the guy  ...... also I was given the impression that he wasnt 100 percent today which is why coquelin came on for him
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on September 10, 2011, 10:24:49 PM
That whole thing look like a preseason game.
Swansea will give people trouble. they still getting relegated eh - no goalscorer. But yuh ent go roll over them easy easy.

I think their offense is a bit unlucky but theyre dangerous lita , dyer and lawd knows sinclair .... dem fellas is trouble  !!!
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Post by: GunnerStunner on September 12, 2011, 07:45:52 AM
Watched the Game at an Pub in Chicago, The GLOBE PUB, its a chicago gooners pub, but they show all the prem games (and every other sport) full of ex pats spurs, city, chelsea, everton, liverpool fans too. most manu fans go to a manu pub a few blocks away (think its time for a good ole fashioned yob rumble (joke))

that said i shall be the newest memebr of the CHICAGO GOONERS  :beermug:

watched the game and have to say there is a lot to improve! but promising...

still poor on off ball movements/runs into the box etc
theo and frimpong need an older respected head to clip them about the ears when they get lippy
still missing many players song, gervinho, Tommy V, Jackie Boy, Diaby (grudgingly but he's better than that shit snake coquelin)
per needs some adjustment, cheesy did awesomely to stop swansea from taking an early lead
our shooting was piss poor that day
AA should not be on the wing! if wenger wants him them start him behind two forwards!
maybe a line up like...4 3 1 2

sagna per tv gibbs
song jack frim
       AA
  walcott rvp


ah well onto champs game at home then blackburn looking forward to seeing what this team can bring
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: kicker on September 12, 2011, 08:44:20 AM
Ngozi did you find that Frimpong gave the ball away far too much?
I am starting to get the feeling that if Walcott was not English he would be out of the Premiership.
Agree! Arshavin pulling stones, big time!!!

Frimpong is not a polished product - his technique a lil off, and his concentration comes and goes.

Walcott is one-dimensional....and literally only ONE dimension....Arshavin always looks a little less than fully fit - I dunno.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: palos on September 12, 2011, 09:24:27 AM
Mertsaker cannot jump! We knew he would be slow but his strength was supposed to be his heading ability which I was not sold on today. Cahill might have actually been a better option!!! The season is still young though.

If anybody thinking that Mertesacker's strength was buttin a ball, then they were sadly misinformed.  People fall into that trap because he so tall.  But Crouch and Dennis Lawrence are tall too but below average headers of the ball.

Mertesacker's strengths are his positional play and the fact that when he makes a tackle, it's clean, he invariably takes the ball away from the attacker (as happened on a few occasions in this game...notably a double take away in the first half), and doesn't tend to give away needless free kicks in dangerous areas.  Matter of fact, his tackling percentage without getting booked (yes...they keep track of these things) is so high, his nickname in Germany is "Mr. Clean".

Oh...BTW....Sinclair from Swansea is the first player I see thus far dat had Sagna in school.

Now I eh know if Sangna simply not match fit, or if he comin off an injury, or if is jes Sinclair mash him up like a novice.  But Sagna couldn't contain him whole match. 

Sinclair is definitely one to watch this season.
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Post by: dwn on September 12, 2011, 10:09:39 AM
Mertsaker cannot jump! We knew he would be slow but his strength was supposed to be his heading ability which I was not sold on today. Cahill might have actually been a better option!!! The season is still young though.

If anybody thinking that Mertesacker's strength was buttin a ball, then they were sadly misinformed.  People fall into that trap because he so tall.  But Crouch and Dennis Lawrence are tall too but below average headers of the ball.

Mertesacker's strengths are his positional play and the fact that when he makes a tackle, it's clean, he invariably takes the ball away from the attacker (as happened on a few occasions in this game...notably a double take away in the first half), and doesn't tend to give away needless free kicks in dangerous areas.  Matter of fact, his tackling percentage without getting booked (yes...they keep track of these things) is so high, his nickname in Germany is "Mr. Clean".

Oh...BTW....Sinclair from Swansea is the first player I see thus far dat had Sagna in school.

Now I eh know if Sangna simply not match fit, or if he comin off an injury, or if is jes Sinclair mash him up like a novice.  But Sagna couldn't contain him whole match. 

Sinclair is definitely one to watch this season.

I wouldn't say Crouch or Dennis are below average headers of the ball, but I hear what you saying. I was looking forward to seeing Mertesacker cause I didn't know much about the player other than his track record (aka wikipedia profile). He looked a lot slow and his build makes him look clumsy but he did all the right things. And you see what you said there about giving away unnecessary free kicks in dangerous areas - I'm so happy to read that cause that seems to be Arsenal's specialty of late.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Touches on September 12, 2011, 10:30:37 AM
Yuh see how phil jones get on for manu...I hurt meh d man tell we to use vicks. Also Mata not coming was another blow. Them 2 fellas woulda make the world of difference.

I wasn't impressed this weeken, I want to see this korean in action as well as Santos.

Arsenal need a big player> Arteta and Benayoun just there to hold the fort till January.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on September 12, 2011, 10:55:49 AM
Mertsaker cannot jump! We knew he would be slow but his strength was supposed to be his heading ability which I was not sold on today. Cahill might have actually been a better option!!! The season is still young though.

If anybody thinking that Mertesacker's strength was buttin a ball, then they were sadly misinformed.  People fall into that trap because he so tall.  But Crouch and Dennis Lawrence are tall too but below average headers of the ball.

Mertesacker's strengths are his positional play and the fact that when he makes a tackle, it's clean, he invariably takes the ball away from the attacker (as happened on a few occasions in this game...notably a double take away in the first half), and doesn't tend to give away needless free kicks in dangerous areas.  Matter of fact, his tackling percentage without getting booked (yes...they keep track of these things) is so high, his nickname in Germany is "Mr. Clean".

Oh...BTW....Sinclair from Swansea is the first player I see thus far dat had Sagna in school.

Now I eh know if Sangna simply not match fit, or if he comin off an injury, or if is jes Sinclair mash him up like a novice.  But Sagna couldn't contain him whole match. 

Sinclair is definitely one to watch this season.

I hear what yuh saying palos but I'm still not sold on Mertsacker .. but like I said season early I thought Kos outplayed him as for Sinclair he seems to be one of them who has slipped under the radar I dont expect him to be at Swansea next year the fella have a very quick first step, his final ball wasn't as consistent as needed but he is def dangerous and hard to hold, I suspect alot more defenders are going to have issues holding him this year ... decent stepovers as well.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: kicker on September 12, 2011, 11:13:18 AM
as for Sinclair he seems to be one of tem who has slipped under the radar I dont expect him to be at Swansea next year the fella have a very quick first step

No kidding - one of the quickest.  I wasn't even feelin' his step overs - they were kinda inefficient to me - they didn't involve enough body movement tuh unbalance the defender (same thing I think about C. Ronaldo actually - his step overs are all footwork and no body movement -pretty tuh look at but not so much bang fuh the buck...) But when Sinclair drop the shoulder and change pace, he left men standing still....every time.   
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bakes on September 12, 2011, 02:00:26 PM
That whole thing look like a preseason game.
Swansea will give people trouble. they still getting relegated eh - no goalscorer. But yuh ent go roll over them easy easy.

Man now getting hip to Swansea and Sinclair....

Quote
Three Swans players stood out for me against City on Monday night, the speedy pair of Nathan Dyer and former Chelsea man Scott Sinclair… and Swansea’s star of the night, goalkeeper Michel Vorm.

Dyer and Sinclair are both young, blessed with world-class pace, and are full of confidence... qualities you'd want in any player.  Sinclair may not have panned out with Chelsea, but at only 22 he still has a world of potential ahead of him.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/807362-5-great-things-about-opening-weekend-in-the-premier-league/page/2
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 12, 2011, 03:51:23 PM
Mertsaker cannot jump! We knew he would be slow but his strength was supposed to be his heading ability which I was not sold on today. Cahill might have actually been a better option!!! The season is still young though.

If anybody thinking that Mertesacker's strength was buttin a ball, then they were sadly misinformed.  People fall into that trap because he so tall.  But Crouch and Dennis Lawrence are tall too but below average headers of the ball.

Mertesacker's strengths are his positional play and the fact that when he makes a tackle, it's clean, he invariably takes the ball away from the attacker (as happened on a few occasions in this game...notably a double take away in the first half), and doesn't tend to give away needless free kicks in dangerous areas.  Matter of fact, his tackling percentage without getting booked (yes...they keep track of these things) is so high, his nickname in Germany is "Mr. Clean".

Oh...BTW....Sinclair from Swansea is the first player I see thus far dat had Sagna in school.

Now I eh know if Sangna simply not match fit, or if he comin off an injury, or if is jes Sinclair mash him up like a novice.  But Sagna couldn't contain him whole match.  

Sinclair is definitely one to watch this season.
Sagna was ill, has been hence why he wasnt at manu game...not sure if he turned out for france during international week...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 12, 2011, 03:56:06 PM
here's the squad list for tomorrow
minus jack n diaby i think its the full first team

Arsenal squad (in alphabetical order):
Andrey Arshavin
Mikel Arteta
Yossi Benayoun
Marouane Chamakh
Johan Djourou
Gervinho
Kieran Gibbs
Lukasz Fabianski
Emmanuel Frimpong
Laurent Koscielny
Per Mertesacker
Ju Young Park
Andre Santos
Bacary Sagna
Alex Song
Wojciech Szczesny
Robin van Persie
Theo Walcott

I NOW NOTICE RAMSEY WAS LEFT OUT THEN I SEE HE'S INJURED  :banginghead:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 13, 2011, 01:04:08 PM
cant see d game ah suffering!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on September 15, 2011, 09:00:53 AM
hmmmm men quiet....

from what i can tell about the game v dortmund, the score lien could easily have been as bad as what we got at manchester....

so put that in perspective, whats changed? the defense looks a lil better (also i feel manu scored more than usuall on the opportunities presented to them (something a champion does))

we still havent found what works bestfor us, our attack seems disjointed and confused from game to game.

still not sold on benayoun at least he runs more than AA

again AA should not be playing out on the wing...

wenger also mentioned that dispite finishing 4th we had the best away record in the league last year, what really killed us was the number of games we drew, for get the loses, those draws killed us

so apart from dortmunds great/lucky? goal we faced two very attacking teams in europe and havent lost. bear in mind we have managed to feild our strongest teams for Champs league games vs not quite and certainly not first teams for the premireship.

we are getting back to full strength, even with jack rambo tommy n diaby out injured and frimpong suspended, i think gervinho and song are back for prem but in migth be wrong

blackburn a re a sticky wicket away, and even mor eunpredictable given the fans building dissent towards the manager and board. wil this affect theier teams performance come saturday? lets see how we perform saturday, what players wenger picks and how hungry those players are to win...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Jayerson on September 15, 2011, 01:18:18 PM
Dortmund weren't that much better than us. It was failrly even in the first half. In the second half Dortmund kept pressing for the equaliser and we got more nervous worrying about ttrying to keep the lead. We also created some chances (not many as we normally do), one from Gervinho in particular that he should have scored to go 2 - 0 up. It was a fair result. Szcezney made some big saves at the end when Dortmund were pushing for the go ahead.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on September 15, 2011, 01:45:44 PM
The defense was better than you think. Dortmund had shots, esp in the first half, but for the most part they were tame. The game was mostly in the midfield, with Arsenal having less posession that you accustomed to, but this is a very different style/side to last year.

Also, Dortmund doesn't stop running, they are active on offense and defense and swarm to the ball. You would see Gervinho or walcott look like they break free only to have 4 men surround them and take the ball.

The goal in the end was a goal of the year candidate. You can't be vexed for that. A 2-2 result would have been fair I think.

As for Mertesacker, the fella is all about experience, you could beat him in a foot race, but you probably will never get the chance to race him. That fella does just ease you out of what you want to do and make life hard. and he does tackle with a slide rule. The Mr Clean billing is not hype. The other defenders work around him to do the running, put Dortmund into unfavorable positions and he and Szczesny just clean up behind that. Song was a beast in this game too.

I know is only 2 games in (after the transfer window) But I think this defense on last-year's team probably wins a trophy.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on September 15, 2011, 04:37:11 PM
The defense was better than you think. Dortmund had shots, esp in the first half, but for the most part they were tame. The game was mostly in the midfield, with Arsenal having less posession that you accustomed to, but this is a very different style/side to last year.

Also, Dortmund doesn't stop running, they are active on offense and defense and swarm to the ball. You would see Gervinho or walcott look like they break free only to have 4 men surround them and take the ball.

The goal in the end was a goal of the year candidate. You can't be vexed for that. A 2-2 result would have been fair I think.

As for Mertesacker, the fella is all about experience, you could beat him in a foot race, but you probably will never get the chance to race him. That fella does just ease you out of what you want to do and make life hard. and he does tackle with a slide rule. The Mr Clean billing is not hype. The other defenders work around him to do the running, put Dortmund into unfavorable positions and he and Szczesny just clean up behind that. Song was a beast in this game too.

I know is only 2 games in (after the transfer window) But I think this defense on last-year's team probably wins a trophy.

What's your take on Gibbs?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on September 15, 2011, 05:54:11 PM
What's your take on Gibbs?

Still early but they don't miss Clichy at all. I also think he's a better crosser of the ball.

Just remember though, I thought the decline began with the loss of Hleb. I still think he is the kind of player they really need.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: elan on September 17, 2011, 07:07:11 AM
Y'all getting rip to shreds.

However everyone could have seen that goal was offside even before he kicked it in. Hard luck.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: elan on September 17, 2011, 07:39:02 AM
To naive from Arsenal. They look like a school boy team in decision making.

Ramsey couldn't pass gas.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on September 17, 2011, 07:40:20 AM
Wes Craven does coach Arsenal defense.

Brilliant going forward, Horror show in the back.

If allyuh didn't have bad luck, allyuh wouldn't have any luck at all.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on September 17, 2011, 07:43:46 AM
Arsenal is a mess at the back, especially on set plays.

Wenger has good attacking ideas, but clearly his team struggle with defensive organization.
Maybe the fix is with an addition to the coaching staff. Someone who can work with the defending.
New left back looks a good player.
Gervinho is good quality
Ramsey still feeling his way.
No excuses against the likes of Balckburn NONE! Giving up 4 goals, seriously.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on September 17, 2011, 07:48:19 AM
Arsenal is a mess at the back, especially on set plays.

Wenger has good attacking ideas, but clearly his team struggle with defensive organization.
Maybe the fix is with an addition to the coaching staff. Someone who can work with the defending.
New left back looks a good player.
Gervinho is good quality
Ramsey still feeling his way.
No excuses against the likes of Balckburn NONE! Giving up 4 goals, seriously.

Well they did score 5... ::)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on September 17, 2011, 08:01:21 AM
Arsenal is a mess at the back, especially on set plays.

Wenger has good attacking ideas, but clearly his team struggle with defensive organization.
Maybe the fix is with an addition to the coaching staff. Someone who can work with the defending.
New left back looks a good player.
Gervinho is good quality
Ramsey still feeling his way.
No excuses against the likes of Balckburn NONE! Giving up 4 goals, seriously.

Well they did score 5... ::)

Ent! hahahahahah  Seriously they really look good going forward and should have had 6.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Peong on September 17, 2011, 08:18:35 AM
Arsenal is good comedic relief in these tough times.
After a hard week it's nice to be able to sit down and watch the comedy unfold on the pitch.

Apart from the own goals and yak's 2nd though, some nice goals dey.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: kicker on September 17, 2011, 08:32:45 AM
Arsenal was unlucky today - two own goals and an offside goal on the road..that's just bad luck. 

Of course the media will hype it as they've started the season miserably and everyone will feed off of it and say Arsenal gone through blah blah, but today they were unlucky- it happens. 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on September 17, 2011, 08:38:54 AM
What de jail .... I oncall had to work late last night so I miss the gAME AND WHEN i WAKE UP i SEE BLACKBURN BEAT WE?
I need to go back to sleep.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bakes on September 17, 2011, 10:47:12 AM
Arsenal was unlucky today - two own goals and an offside goal on the road..that's just bad luck. 

Of course the media will hype it as they've started the season miserably and everyone will feed off of it and say Arsenal gone through blah blah, but today they were unlucky- it happens. 

That offsides talk is just a distraction... Santos kept Yakubu on, if he was offside it was only fractionally so and didn't offer him any real advantage.  I say this not to start yet another meaningless argument, but to underscore in my mind how poor Arsenal was.  I only saw 20 mins of the second half, enough to see Blackburn's 3rd and 4th.  On the fourth, I wouldn't even say they were unlucky... it was a poor midfield challenge by Djourou and a failure to then contain Larsson by Song.  I think Koscielny was unfortunate... but not Arsenal as a team.

I think it's very telling that Arsenal's best player right now is Szczesny... playing at a much higher level than even Van Persie if you ask me.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: elan on September 17, 2011, 11:21:17 AM
Arsenal was unlucky today - two own goals and an offside goal on the road..that's just bad luck. 

Of course the media will hype it as they've started the season miserably and everyone will feed off of it and say Arsenal gone through blah blah, but today they were unlucky- it happens. 

That offsides talk is just a distraction... Santos kept Yakubu on, if he was offside it was only fractionally so and didn't offer him any real advantage.  I say this not to start yet another meaningless argument, but to underscore in my mind how poor Arsenal was.  I only saw 20 mins of the second half, enough to see Blackburn's 3rd and 4th.  On the fourth, I wouldn't even say they were unlucky... it was a poor midfield challenge by Djourou and a failure to then contain Larsson by Song.  I think Koscielny was unfortunate... but not Arsenal as a team.

I think it's very telling that Arsenal's best player right now is Szczesny... playing at a much higher level than even Van Persie if you ask me.

Bakes you are wrong, that offside was big time. The lineman was not even in line with the last defender. The fraction in side the 6 yard box is a big deal. He was clearly and plainly offside, no replay was necessary to show he was.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on September 17, 2011, 11:37:25 AM
Bakes you cannot be half pregnant. He was offside! The assistant referee on that side was poor all day, but say wha! So were many of the Arsenal players.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on September 17, 2011, 11:39:08 AM
Arsenal fans have been dealing with 8-2 jokes 4-3 weeks now
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bakes on September 17, 2011, 12:04:46 PM
Bakes you are wrong, that offside was big time. The lineman was not even in line with the last defender. The fraction in side the 6 yard box is a big deal. He was clearly and plainly offside, no replay was necessary to show he was.

I am not arguing that he wasn't offside... when I say Santos "kept him on" I meant in the eyes of the linesman.  He scored because the defending was poor not because he was 6 inches offside... it is an absolute exaggeration to be saying he was "clearly and plainly" offside, replays showed just how close it was and there was nothing clear or plain about it and it didn't gain him any advantage.  The cross came in from the right side of the box and there was no one in front of him to deny the pass, Santos was on his back.  That is what led to the goal, Santos' poor positioning... offside would have just bailed him out.  That's like jumping off a building then complaining that the safety net failed.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: dwn on September 17, 2011, 12:12:47 PM
Bakes you are wrong, that offside was big time. The lineman was not even in line with the last defender. The fraction in side the 6 yard box is a big deal. He was clearly and plainly offside, no replay was necessary to show he was.

I am not arguing that he wasn't offside... when I say Santos "kept him on" I meant in the eyes of the linesman.  He scored because the defending was poor not because he was 6 inches offside... it is an absolute exaggeration to be saying he was "clearly and plainly" offside, replays showed just how close it was and there was nothing clear or plain about it and it didn't gain him any advantage.  The cross came in from the right side of the box and there was no one in front of him to deny the pass, Santos was on his back.  That is what led to the goal, Santos' poor positioning... offside would have just bailed him out.  That's like jumping off a building then complaining that the safety net failed.

How can you say it was offside but say the positioning was poor, when being offside is an outcome of the defensive positioning? Because he was behind the guy means nothing if he stepped up in time.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on September 17, 2011, 12:14:30 PM
Arsenal fans have been dealing with 8-2 jokes 4-3 weeks now
You're such an ass lol ohh jeez!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: ckhan on September 17, 2011, 12:24:45 PM
Watched the game, shocking!!  Santos played Yukubo (sp) onside twice and Yak scored both. You could say the own goals were unfortunate but set plays and mistimed tackles did not help. I have no problems with the attacking (Walcott played well today) but the defense is a mess and it is all due to coaching!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bakes on September 17, 2011, 12:34:00 PM
How can you say it was offside but say the positioning was poor, when being offside is an outcome of the defensive positioning? Because he was behind the guy means nothing if he stepped up in time.

How can I say it?  Just as I did... yuh can't read?  He did not "step up" in time he absent-mindedly drifted forward... everything about his defending on that goal was passive and without focus.  It is clear from his body language that he wasn't actively trying to step up to work the offside trap, and by failing to do so he made the call close enough for it to go against his team.  His positioning was poor because he failed to get ball side of the attacking player.  It is elementary for any defender to position himself between the ball and the man... he was a spectator on the play, not only wasn't he trying to play Yakubu offside, but neither was he trying to deny him in the box.  If you want to argue and fight up to defend that kinda defending then by all means be my guest.
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Post by: Tenorsaw on September 17, 2011, 12:59:52 PM
Lesson to Arsenal:  You have to pay your top players the going market rate, or else they will ride out into the sunset.  That's the only way they are going to attract and retain the top talent.  They looking real shaky in the back.  Not good at all, especially with dem "fair weather" fans they have.
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Post by: fari on September 17, 2011, 02:50:30 PM
Arsenal is a mess at the back, especially on set plays.

Wenger has good attacking ideas, but clearly his team struggle with defensive organization.
Maybe the fix is with an addition to the coaching staff. Someone who can work with the defending.
New left back looks a good player.
Gervinho is good quality
Ramsey still feeling his way.
No excuses against the likes of Balckburn NONE! Giving up 4 goals, seriously.

my sentiments exactly.  some of the goals were unlucky but still...excuses, excuses.   is 4 int'l defenders playing back there (altho the way djourou is playing these days u wonder how the hell he starting for the swiss)
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Post by: kicker on September 17, 2011, 03:02:23 PM
How can you say it was offside but say the positioning was poor, when being offside is an outcome of the defensive positioning? Because he was behind the guy means nothing if he stepped up in time.

How can I say it?  Just as I did... yuh can't read?  He did not "step up" in time he absent-mindedly drifted forward... everything about his defending on that goal was passive and without focus.  It is clear from his body language that he wasn't actively trying to step up to work the offside trap, and by failing to do so he made the call close enough for it to go against his team.  His positioning was poor because he failed to get ball side of the attacking player.  It is elementary for any defender to position himself between the ball and the man... he was a spectator on the play, not only wasn't he trying to play Yakubu offside, but neither was he trying to deny him in the box.  If you want to argue and fight up to defend that kinda defending then by all means be my guest.

Santos coulda push up harder, but yuh's see that all the time on corners - if the ball doh clear the danger area properly (as it didn't) defenders will get caught between stepping up and staying home and sometimes get caught in between...because with the ball coming back in so quickly, it hard to clear yuh lines before it get whipped back in, and the offside trap attempt wil back-fire...No way Santos or V.Persie coulda picked up Yakubu in that split second that ball got whipped back in...Arteta (who was markin' Yakubu) stepped up and left him open in the hole...Both Santos and Van Persie kinda got caught in no man's land because they didn't step up hard... Yakubu cheated a yard (as you would expect a forward to do) to take a risk on the off-side and was fortunate to find a pocket where the linesman had a hard time making the call... It all happened so fast - harsh to call it poor defending - more hard luck... especially since Yak was actually offside and the call wasn't made. 
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Post by: Observer on September 17, 2011, 03:17:13 PM
Lesson to Arsenal:  You have to pay your top players the going market rate, or else they will ride out into the sunset.  That's the only way they are going to attract and retain the top talent.  They looking real shaky in the back.  Not good at all, especially with dem "fair weather" fans they have.

But wait! They were losing when the had those players that left, so I don't get your point. Arsenal were among the top scorers last season, again they are scoring goals, but defending remains poor. No different from the last few seasons. As anyone who follows the club closely will tell you, their ability to defend at the back and in midfield is their main weakness. What is shocking for me as an untrained observer, is that they are so poor on set plays. This is one part of the game where you can be the most prepared and organized. Its either that, or they just too dam weak in the air, further compounded by a lack of aggression.
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Post by: Bakes on September 17, 2011, 04:10:43 PM
Santos coulda push up harder, but yuh's see that all the time on corners - if the ball doh clear the danger area properly (as it didn't) defenders will get caught between stepping up and staying home and sometimes get caught in between...because with the ball coming back in so quickly, it hard to clear yuh lines before it get whipped back in, and the offside trap attempt wil back-fire...No way Santos or V.Persie coulda picked up Yakubu in that split second that ball got whipped back in...Arteta (who was markin' Yakubu) stepped up and left him open in the hole...Both Santos and Van Persie kinda got caught in no man's land because they didn't step up hard... Yakubu cheated a yard (as you would expect a forward to do) to take a risk on the off-side and was fortunate to find a pocket where the linesman had a hard time making the call... It all happened so fast - harsh to call it poor defending - more hard luck... especially since Yak was actually offside and the call wasn't made. 

Really?  Look I just watch it again adn I have to change some of what I said, but it hardly helps Arsenal's cause.  On the cross to the far post Arteta was indeed marking Yakubu, with Van Persie at some indeterminate position, and Santos on the near post, marking an area, rather than a man.  As the ball went to the far post it occupies everyone's attention, with Arteta rushing out towards the ball, leaving four men in the box: Yakubu, Nelsen, Van Persie and Santos.  Van Persie wasn't marking anyone, nor was Santos... although you could give him the benefit of the doubt and say he was trying to mark both Blackburn players.  Look at the video (not sure how long it will be up for):

http://www.youtube.com/v/WRvjvlVbFNk

At 1:14 Yakubu "cheats a yard offside" as you said... Santos steps up off the goal line to set the trap just as the pass is about to be made.  At 1:15 Santos then steps back towards the goal line, and almost level with Yakubu, whose foot is maybe 6 inches offside, and whose lean puts his shoulder perhaps a foot offside, if that.  Watch Santos' movement during that whole time, and ask yourself who he's marking... or what he's doing really.  As if he didn't already make the case easier for the linesman to keep the flag down, he then steps again with Yakubu as the ball comes in, not towards the player, but sideways towards the goal line, shadowing Yakubu.

Was Yakubu offside?  Yes, absolutely.  But even if his left foot was six inches towards midfield and he wasn't leaning, putting him perfectly in line with Santos... in fact even if he was comfortably onside that goal was still scoring because of poor defending by Santos and Van Persie.  Offside didn't cause that goal, it was merely incidental to it.  Should the flag have gone up regardless? Absolutely.  But the defending was poor, I really don't see how you can say any differently.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 17, 2011, 04:31:50 PM
Somebody please disconnect Arsenal damn self-destruct button? I mean really. They are capable of far better defending than that. And send home Djourou sh*tty twin brother for the old Djourou please?!?
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Post by: kicker on September 17, 2011, 04:57:58 PM
Yup - watched it - exactly as I remember it... They weren't committed in their movement so yeah ah supposed they do sh*t...

If you expected either Van P or Santos to pick up Yakubu in the moments between Arteta leaving him to rush the ball and the cross getting whipped back in, then what ah go tell yuh...To me that's asking plenty.  Should they have pushed up harder?  yeah - as ah say, they looked to be caught in the middle of nowhere because the ball never really cleared the danger area... As they say either yuh going or coming, not half of each. 
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Post by: Bakes on September 17, 2011, 05:56:14 PM
Yup - watched it - exactly as I remember it... They weren't committed in their movement so yeah ah supposed they do sh*t...

If you expected either Van P or Santos to pick up Yakubu in the moments between Arteta leaving him to rush the ball and the cross getting whipped back in, then what ah go tell yuh...To me that's asking plenty.  Should they have pushed up harder?  yeah - as ah say, they looked to be caught in the middle of nowhere because the ball never really cleared the danger area... As they say either yuh going or coming, not half of each. 

Well we might just have to agree to disagree... but my whole point wasn't to demonize either Santos or Van Persie, I fault Santos for "keeping him onside", and still doh understand why after he stepped up correctly he then proceeded to keep Yakubu "onside".  Overall though, somebody needed to be marking Yakubu better than that and that to me reflects poor defending. It could very well be that I being too harsh on dem... Arsenal is a team I usually root for (unless rooting for them affects my team's performance or standing, in which case I root against them) because I like Arsene and I like that they try to play positive football.  Maybe is just my disappointment that causing me to be unfairly harsh on dem.  :beermug:
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Post by: kicker on September 18, 2011, 09:02:37 AM
Yup - watched it - exactly as I remember it... They weren't committed in their movement so yeah ah supposed they do sh*t...

If you expected either Van P or Santos to pick up Yakubu in the moments between Arteta leaving him to rush the ball and the cross getting whipped back in, then what ah go tell yuh...To me that's asking plenty.  Should they have pushed up harder?  yeah - as ah say, they looked to be caught in the middle of nowhere because the ball never really cleared the danger area... As they say either yuh going or coming, not half of each. 

Well we might just have to agree to disagree... but my whole point wasn't to demonize either Santos or Van Persie, I fault Santos for "keeping him onside", and still doh understand why after he stepped up correctly he then proceeded to keep Yakubu "onside".  Overall though, somebody needed to be marking Yakubu better than that and that to me reflects poor defending. It could very well be that I being too harsh on dem... Arsenal is a team I usually root for (unless rooting for them affects my team's performance or standing, in which case I root against them) because I like Arsene and I like that they try to play positive football.  Maybe is just my disappointment that causing me to be unfairly harsh on dem.  :beermug:

Nah man my post probably didn't come out right, but I was actually agreeing that they didn't defend it well - they were not decisive in stepping up and ultimately fairly disorganized on the play...
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 18, 2011, 11:54:39 AM
Too many new faces and therefore no cohesion in defending the set plays I'm afraid. The team will take time to click but I only hope it's not too late. Worst start to a season in Wenger's reign. Worst goal difference in 30+ years. Sort it out quickly please! To quote Sarah Palin, "Drill baby, drill!"
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Post by: dwn on September 19, 2011, 06:56:52 AM
How can you say it was offside but say the positioning was poor, when being offside is an outcome of the defensive positioning? Because he was behind the guy means nothing if he stepped up in time.

How can I say it?  Just as I did... yuh can't read?  He did not "step up" in time he absent-mindedly drifted forward... everything about his defending on that goal was passive and without focus.  It is clear from his body language that he wasn't actively trying to step up to work the offside trap, and by failing to do so he made the call close enough for it to go against his team.  His positioning was poor because he failed to get ball side of the attacking player.  It is elementary for any defender to position himself between the ball and the man... he was a spectator on the play, not only wasn't he trying to play Yakubu offside, but neither was he trying to deny him in the box.  If you want to argue and fight up to defend that kinda defending then by all means be my guest.

Was Yakubu offside?  Yes, absolutely.  But even if his left foot was six inches towards midfield and he wasn't leaning, putting him perfectly in line with Santos... in fact even if he was comfortably onside that goal was still scoring because of poor defending by Santos and Van Persie.  Offside didn't cause that goal, it was merely incidental to it.  Should the flag have gone up regardless? Absolutely.  But the defending was poor, I really don't see how you can say any differently.

I not fighting up anything you know. I just find it pointless to be blaming a defender for an non-call by an assistant referee. Yes, it was close. Yes, he could have stepped up more. Yes, he could have been positioned differently. But all that doesn't really matter. Who cares if he would have still scored if he was onside? Why does that even mean anything? The point is he was off and the referee didn't see it. Everything else is secondary and has nothing to do with the offside rule. It was a tough call and it happens. On another day day the assistant might have raised his flag but this time arsenal were unlucky. That's football.  :beermug:
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Post by: Bakes on September 19, 2011, 07:39:29 AM
I not fighting up anything you know. I just find it pointless to be blaming a defender for an non-call by an assistant referee. Yes, it was close. Yes, he could have stepped up more. Yes, he could have been positioned differently. But all that doesn't really matter. Who cares if he would have still scored if he was onside? Why does that even mean anything? The point is he was off and the referee didn't see it. Everything else is secondary and has nothing to do with the offside rule. It was a tough call and it happens. On another day day the assistant might have raised his flag but this time arsenal were unlucky. That's football.  :beermug:
I don't disagree... except, playing to get an offside call shouldn't be your primary form of defense, hence my contention that flag or no flag the play should have been defended better ("he was still scoring").
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Post by: GunnerStunner on September 19, 2011, 02:52:05 PM
sickness
voodoo
karma

something jus wrong man, need something extra f**king dramatic to wake shit up

now way playing like would you justify ever getting paid to perform like that. i the real job world men woulda been fired or on report already.

SOMETHING has to change, its the same khaki pants!

i mean rovers had 4 shots on goal! kos own goal wasnt even a shot at goal it was a cross back intop the 6yard box!
song like he blink or brain fart, until the ball hit him!~

tomorrow shrewsbury coming out for blood, any team coing at arsenal and we find it hard to win

we need to just put teams over our knees and flogg them mercilessly show no farkin respect for any side home or away! just get the job done! pretty football my arse we not even playing that anymore.

only thing pretty i want to see is silverware

yet we have a divided board, youngster earning more than they have earned, and senior players who should eanr more but find that more in pastures greener.

wake me when its over

Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 19, 2011, 03:36:16 PM
What is wrong is they have no cohesion in the back line and no defending from the front. That cohesion takes time for teams that use aggressive offside lines. Unfortunately, Arsenal made a lot of new signings and don't have enough time to integrate them properly, which is partly management's fault, partly circumstance.

Song own goal was just bad luck on his part. Up to that point he was having a MOTM performance, and honestly, I believe he is becoming one of the top holding midfielders in the Premier League. Maybe he could have done better, maybe he couldn't react fast enough. He was in an impossible position, which reflects on the team's defensive organisation. It is clear we need another dominant centre back leader so someone besides Vermaelen has to step up, because looking at Vermaelen's performances, I am sure Arsenal would have won trophies if he were fit last season. He in August he was a top 5 centre back in the league.

My suspicion is we will field a youth side against Shrewsbury. Maybe one or 2 veterans, but I hope Chamberlain and Ryo will play a part because they need to start playing quick.

On paper, Arsenal have at least a top 4 side. Stack up the starting XI against any team in the Premier League and Arsenal is a match for them in terms of personnel. The discipline and organisation is what needs work and quickly. I am sure Arsenal will regain Champions League form. My worry is that it will come too late for them to overhaul their rivals. But a bad first 5 games shouldn't scare us. Look at how Chelsea was blowing away sides at the start of last season (much like the Manchester clubs are this term) befor they hit a massive slump and couldn't recover in time.
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Post by: Observer on September 19, 2011, 04:38:18 PM
Most of this squad is new and the back line need to work together for a while with themselves and then the midfield. It will take time & unfortunately with the inconsistent start it creates anxiety.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 19, 2011, 05:05:47 PM
Like the young guns getting a run out tomorrow. With the side confidence low I still hoping for a good result but most important let's see what they have to offer. Looking forward to seeing the new boys in action.

Wenger – The players you will see on Tuesday

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/wenger-the-players-you-will-see-on-tuesday (http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/wenger-the-players-you-will-see-on-tuesday)

Arsène Wenger says he is keen to let his youth players shine once more when Shrewsbury visit Emirates Stadium on Tuesday night.

Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, Ryo, Francis Coquelin, Carl Jenkinson and Emmanuel Frimpong are all expected to feature for the Gunners in the Carling Cup clash.

Wenger’s selection policy paid dividends last season as his side reached the Final of the competition and the boss is ready to stick to his guns once more.

“We have a big squad now and we want to make use of that,” he told Arsenal.com.

“I will give a chance for young players to shine and find the right mixture in this competition between keeping our faith in young players and, of course, winning the games.

“That means having the right balance between experience and youth.”

Wenger confirmed that Arsenal’s home fans are set to catch their first glimpses of summer signings Oxlade-Chamberlain and Ju Young Park against the Shrews. And the starting XI will not be affected by Saturday’s defeat at Ewood Park.

“I had my team in my head before the Blackburn game and it will remain exactly the same,” Wenger confirmed.

“We will have Frimpong, Coquelin, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Ryo, and maybe one or two more. There is an also opportunity to see Park for the first time.

“Chamakh will also feature. You will also see Jenkinson start in his position. We will try to find a mixture between youth and experience.”

Watch Arsenal v Shrewsbury 'as live' on Arsenal Player shortly after the game finishes.
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Post by: Bourbon on September 19, 2011, 08:02:58 PM
(http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/1995/hrtx5.png)
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Post by: D.H.W on September 19, 2011, 08:08:05 PM
 :devil: :rotfl:
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 19, 2011, 10:05:18 PM
Oh wait. Here's another joke. Arsenal is in a 6 year trophy drought.  :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Post by: GunnerStunner on September 20, 2011, 07:00:16 AM
long road to hoe, IF we win something over these jokers it will make the victory sweeter,
i shall not wine on dey head
i shall not shit on them from above
i shall not look at them in disdane
i shall not speak ill of them

i will thank them for making the acheivment all the more glorious
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 20, 2011, 08:59:22 AM
long road to hoe, IF we win something over these jokers it will make the victory sweeter,
i shall not wine on dey head
i shall not shit on them from above
i shall not look at them in disdane
i shall not speak ill of them

i will thank them for making the acheivment all the more glorious

Pity Arsenal struggling so much these days. We could be showing these men how to win with class rather than money.
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Post by: GunnerStunner on September 20, 2011, 09:47:41 AM
OK i stayed quiet about this because i was fuming mad when i read the "quotes" glad they aren't true, but wishing, hoping praying arsenal meet barca for a 3rd year running in champs league.
Cesc Fabregas has revealed he has received an apology, retraction and damages after a magazine published an article claiming the Barcelona midfielder said he left Arsenal because he feared a prolonged trophy drought for the club.

Cesc Fabregas re-joined Barcelona this summer for around £35 million
Sport magazine attributed quotes to Fabregas, 24, which were soon rejected outright by the former Arsenal skipper, who left the Gunners for Barcelona this summer for a fee in the region of £35 million.

Fabregas has now confirmed that the issue is in the process of being resolved. He wrote on his official Twitter account: "Got the apology and retraction from that magazine that made up an interview about me. Can't believe some journalists.

"I will also get ... damages that I will give to charity. Hope it teaches them a lesson. I would NEVER say a bad word about Arsenal Football Club."
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 20, 2011, 09:51:09 AM
OK i stayed quiet about this because i was fuming mad when i read the "quotes" glad they aren't true, but wishing, hoping praying arsenal meet barca for a 3rd year running in champs league.
Cesc Fabregas has revealed he has received an apology, retraction and damages after a magazine published an article claiming the Barcelona midfielder said he left Arsenal because he feared a prolonged trophy drought for the club.

Cesc Fabregas re-joined Barcelona this summer for around £35 million
Sport magazine attributed quotes to Fabregas, 24, which were soon rejected outright by the former Arsenal skipper, who left the Gunners for Barcelona this summer for a fee in the region of £35 million.

Fabregas has now confirmed that the issue is in the process of being resolved. He wrote on his official Twitter account: "Got the apology and retraction from that magazine that made up an interview about me. Can't believe some journalists.

"I will also get ... damages that I will give to charity. Hope it teaches them a lesson. I would NEVER say a bad word about Arsenal Football Club."


Let's hope the new signings click before UEFA "randomly" selects Arsenal v Barcelona again.
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Post by: kicker on September 20, 2011, 09:51:43 AM
He may not have said it, but that's probably why he left lol...
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Post by: DeSoWa on September 20, 2011, 10:26:17 AM
He may not have said it, but that's probably why he left lol...

Steups...do you also know why RM lost over the weekend too?  :D  :beermug:

Big Up!
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Post by: kicker on September 20, 2011, 10:55:23 AM
Steups...do you also know why RM lost over the weekend too?  :D  :beermug:

Big Up!

lol the ref tief we...  ;D
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Post by: asylumseeker on September 20, 2011, 11:03:21 AM
One ah allyuh resourceful gooners .... anyone ... find a link for the Shrewsbury game nah. Chamakh starting and the Korean skipper also.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 20, 2011, 12:36:50 PM
Starting lineup: Fabianski, Jenkinson, Djourou, Miquel, Gibbs, Chamberlain, Coquelin, Frimpong, Benayoun, Park, Chamakh.

Ryo on the bench.
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Post by: Observer on September 20, 2011, 01:20:28 PM
Starting lineup: Fabianski, Jenkinson, Djourou, Miquel, Gibbs, Chamberlain, Coquelin, Frimpong, Benayoun, Park, Chamakh.

Ryo on the bench.

Arsenal down 1-0 ahready!!!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 20, 2011, 01:27:13 PM
Gibbs equalise. When will they learn to defend the high ball into the box? It's like a glass jaw.
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Post by: Bourbon on September 20, 2011, 01:34:55 PM
I really really hope dey do something they could build on. Van Persie getting fustrated too with the performances. Something has to change.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 20, 2011, 01:49:00 PM
How many pinpoint crosses has Jenkinson sent in since he join the club now?
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 20, 2011, 02:06:57 PM
Goal for Oxtail. Long may it continue.
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Post by: Bally on September 20, 2011, 06:20:19 PM
Young winger Oxlade-Chamberlain shines for Arsenal
By FRANK GRIFFITHS, Associated Press
12 minutes ago
 

tweet0EmailPrintLONDON (AP)—Arsenal’s youngsters momentarily lifted the gloom after a horrid few months for the club, with speedy winger Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain scoring the key goal in a 3-1 win against Shrewsbury in the League Cup on Tuesday night.

The 18-year-old Oxlade-Chamerlain, an understudy to Theo Walcott, unleashed a blistering right-foot shot from 30 yards to put the Gunners ahead in the 58th minute against the League Two side.

He was Arsenal’s stand-out player, making blazing runs down the right and landing dangerous crosses in the heart of Shrewsbury’s penalty area at Emirates Stadium.

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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 20, 2011, 09:25:55 PM
Young winger Oxlade-Chamberlain shines for Arsenal
By FRANK GRIFFITHS, Associated Press
12 minutes ago
 

tweet0EmailPrintLONDON (AP)—Arsenal’s youngsters momentarily lifted the gloom after a horrid few months for the club, with speedy winger Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain scoring the key goal in a 3-1 win against Shrewsbury in the League Cup on Tuesday night.

The 18-year-old Oxlade-Chamerlain, an understudy to Theo Walcott, unleashed a blistering right-foot shot from 30 yards to put the Gunners ahead in the 58th minute against the League Two side.

He was Arsenal’s stand-out player, making blazing runs down the right and landing dangerous crosses in the heart of Shrewsbury’s penalty area at Emirates Stadium.


Once again it wasn't top tier opposition but he was excellent in his passing, movement and vision, and the shooting was pretty damn good too.

Park looked good as well, but his link up play was about all I saw.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 20, 2011, 09:28:34 PM
Oh, and Coquelin looked excellent as well. Was probably overawed by United although the defensive shambles wasn't really his doing. A second promising holding midfielder to back up a top class one.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 21, 2011, 09:06:35 AM
So, is Johan Djourou going through a slump now or was his good form in December 2010-February 2011 a flash in the pan?
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Post by: Bitter on September 21, 2011, 10:53:19 AM
So, is Johan Djourou going through a slump now or was his good form in December 2010-February 2011 a flash in the pan?

I don't know about good or bad form. i do know he is NOT a defender.
Put him in the midfield. As I said before, he has all the physical attributes to make a good defender, but has no idea what's going on back there.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 21, 2011, 12:53:07 PM
So, is Johan Djourou going through a slump now or was his good form in December 2010-February 2011 a flash in the pan?

I don't know about good or bad form. i do know he is NOT a defender.
Put him in the midfield. As I said before, he has all the physical attributes to make a good defender, but has no idea what's going on back there.
The reasoning behind my question was that during the period I cited last year, our defending was excellent, at least in the league and Djourou was a big part of that. It ended with the dislocated shoulder he suffered in the FA Cup defeat to United. If you look at the goal tallies it's pretty clear the end of season collapse started in the attack rather than the defence. In 12 games they conceded 10 goals (with one of those games being the 4-4 Newcastle draw, when their comeback only started after Djourou went off injured and another being the 2-2 Wigan draw where Squillaci started). He put in some impressive performances too. the 3-1 victory over Chelsea being the standout. He was looking like a defensive leader in Vermaelen's absence.
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Post by: dwn on September 21, 2011, 01:50:10 PM
So, is Johan Djourou going through a slump now or was his good form in December 2010-February 2011 a flash in the pan?

I don't know about good or bad form. i do know he is NOT a defender.
Put him in the midfield. As I said before, he has all the physical attributes to make a good defender, but has no idea what's going on back there.

He is not good enough on the ball to be a midfielder. I don't care where he started his career. Pros and "back in the day" is two different things. After all, Ashley Cole was a striker too.
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Post by: Bitter on September 21, 2011, 02:16:26 PM
So, is Johan Djourou going through a slump now or was his good form in December 2010-February 2011 a flash in the pan?

I don't know about good or bad form. i do know he is NOT a defender.
Put him in the midfield. As I said before, he has all the physical attributes to make a good defender, but has no idea what's going on back there.

He is not good enough on the ball to be a midfielder. I don't care where he started his career. Pros and "back in the day" is two different things. After all, Ashley Cole was a striker too.

True, but at this point, he come like Senderos and Squillaci, once he on the field, your defense in trouble.
If you check it, Koscielny has started to cheat over to cover for him and that creates disruptions and more mess. Might just be a confidence thing, but teams attacking him as the weak link.

Man U in that 8-2 game were going right at him, they tried Jenkinson in the first half, and found Djourou to be a much easier target.
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Post by: GunnerStunner on September 22, 2011, 07:01:21 AM
hope we beat up on bolton this weekend
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 22, 2011, 08:11:09 AM
hope we beat up on bolton this weekend
I just hope we dont f*ck it up against Bolton. No more stupid mistakes.
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Post by: Bourbon on September 22, 2011, 12:47:14 PM
Come on fellas. Doh be thinking negative.

Look some good news for allyuh..although it eh go do much but fuel the "Everybody hates Arsenal" sentiment:

http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2011/08/21/revealed-the-table-that-shows-arsenal-and-blackpool-were-cheated-last-season-210801/

REVEALED: The table that shows Arsenal and Blackpool were cheated last season

By Nick Harris

SJA Internet Sports Writer of the Year

21 August 2011

Arsenal would have been runners-up in the Premier League last season and Blackpool wouldn’t have been relegated if match officials hadn’t made mistakes. (See table at bottom).

These are the headline findings from extensive new research that re-examined 713 ‘significant’ incidents – penalties, goal line incidents, offside goals – across the Premier League’s 380 games in 2010-11.

Arsenal ended up fourth with 68 points but should in reality have won 72 points and finished second to Manchester United.

Manchester City should have won nine fewer points than they did and finished fourth.

Blackpool and Birmingham should have avoided relegation while Wigan and Wolves should have been relegated along with West Ham. (West Ham should have had seven more points than they actually got but would have gone down anyway).

The research was conducted by broadcaster and journalist Tim Long for his radio documentary, Beyond The Goal Line: Football’s Technology Debate. The programme explores the need for technology, and how officiating errors can make a material difference to clubs, and versions are being aired in Australia and Britain.

The point is not to be critical of referees – because it is accepted they do their best in good faith – but to illustrate how even simple television replays can highlight erroneous decisions. Replays have shown this again this weekend in the Premier League, for example at Arsenal and Sunderland.

Long spent 250 hours analysing the 713 incidents, each of which on their own could or did lead to a goal. Of these, 361 involved penalties given (or not), and 152 involved goals given (or not) as a result of offside calls.

‘That isn’t a massive amount of incidents when you think about it, fewer than two per game on average,’ Long tells me.

‘So supposing there was a system that allowed the video evidence to be reviewed at the time, looking at these things wouldn’t necessarily take a long time.

‘I wanted to explore the extent to which decisions about offside goals or penalty calls did, in fact, even themselves out or not, and how they made a difference to the end of season table.’

Stoke would have won two more points but these would have been sufficient to finish four places higher in the table – and win an extra £3m in prize money from the Premier League.

Examples of wrong calls included the decision that famously left Wenger ‘too disgusted to speak’ in March — when a perfectly good goal from Andrei Arshavin at 0-0 against Sunderland was chalked off in error by linesman Andy Garratt. That cost Arsenal points.

Another decision Long considered was the clear handball by Nemanja Vidic as Manchester United played Arsenal on 1 May. Coincidentally, the same linesman, Andy Garratt, was involved, failing to spot that Vidic had denied Robin van Persie a clear opportunity to score with his head.

As it transpired, Arsenal beat United in that particular game so the bad Vidic call didn’t make any points difference to Arsenal or United, although Arsenal’s goal difference would almost certainly have been better by one with a good decision.

‘Actually a lot of the significant incidents I looked at were called correctly at the time and the analysis simply ratified the good calls,’ Long says.

‘More than 500 of the decisions out of 713 were right. But that still leaves just over 200 wrong calls in significant incidents over the course of the season.

‘And while not all those would have changed a result, quite a few of them would have done so.’

(http://www.sportingintelligence.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Prem-10-11-Long-table.jpg)
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 22, 2011, 01:47:37 PM
Lol. How is that supposed to make us feel better? The next one is the shots hitting the post. If all had gone in Arsenal would have won the league with 5 games to go last season but that doh really help. The 4-4 with Newcastle we suffered a lot of bad decisions too but that only compounded the problem that Arsenal couldn't defend high balls into the box.

I always want de side to do well, that is why I does take it to heart, but the weaknesses there for everybody to see.

Arsenal forever.
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Post by: sammy on September 22, 2011, 01:53:50 PM
hope we beat up on bolton this weekend
I just hope we dont f*ck it up against Bolton. No more stupid mistakes.

Go Bolton !!!!!!!

 :) :beermug:
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Post by: Ngozi on September 22, 2011, 01:58:46 PM
Van Persie: We must not hideSeptember 22, 2011
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Arsenal captain Robin van Persie has urged his team-mates to prove their mettle ahead of their weekend clash against Bolton Wanderers at Emirates Stadium.



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Robin van Persie and Gervinho celebrate
Arsenal slumped to a hugely disappointing 4-3 loss in their last Premier League outing at Blackburn, courtesy of two own goals conceded, to confirm their worst start to a season for 58 years.

They have a chance to get back on track when they host Bolton on Saturday, and Dutch striker Van Persie has challenged the Gunners to play with confidence and without fear as they look to quieten their growing critics.

He said: "It is important that we stay positive - that can be hard because everyone is frustrated and we realise that this is our worst start in the league for a while, but we have to stay together, be strong and make sure not to hide or become introverted.

"Games like Saturday's happen, but we must not go into our shell. We should be proud of who we are and aware that we are only five games in with so much still to play for.

"The facts are we went in front twice (against Blackburn) and didn't defend well enough thereafter. It is strange because in earlier games, Udinese being a classic example, we had managed to do it - fighting for a good result and keeping it. Now we have to show people we can do it week in, week out.

"Yes, we were a bit unlucky at Ewood Park, but I am someone who believes you bring luck to yourselves - and scoring two own goals is not down to bad luck. We don't blame individuals, but we have to look a bit more closely at things."
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 22, 2011, 03:03:09 PM
Come on fellas. Doh be thinking negative.

Look some good news for allyuh..although it eh go do much but fuel the "Everybody hates Arsenal" sentiment:

I'm not worried about the squad. If you look at our personnel needs from the end of last season and over the summer Wenger has addressed every single one (even if he was very late to do so). My worry is that the team won't gel until they're too far behind to do something about it. I actually think this team, as a whole (and on paper), may be stronger and deeper than last year's team.
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Post by: Ngozi on September 22, 2011, 05:24:48 PM
I agree the only unreplaceable element in the team is Cesc ... I do think we're struggling without Wilshire who was ever present last year, djourou was in great form last year ... this year not so much .. , and needless to say we miss the Verminator ... people so critical of the team but the truth is defensively despite all the inconsistencies when this team played well defensively who was there ... the Verminator!!!!

Despite the old talk I feel with verminator back ... Dos Santos and Gibbs vying for the left back position and with Ox to keep Walcott and them honest with the midfield trio of Wilshire, Song and Arteta teams would be foolish to write us off.

Last year the break out player was wilshire ... I have bets that Ox will be the break out player this year  .. watch it Theo!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 22, 2011, 08:17:18 PM
I love how the crowd was singing "One Arsene Wenger" at the Shrewsbury game. Even in our darkest hour it's good to know Arsenal's greatest Manager still has the respect and love of the fans. Wish I'd been there.
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Post by: GunnerStunner on September 23, 2011, 04:59:05 PM
I want a win tomorrow
I want a lot of Arsenal goals
I want no goals for Bolton
I want a lot but the Club/players owe it to the fans
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on September 24, 2011, 08:50:30 AM
Initial observations ... frustrating ones ..... Gibbs switches off defensively ... missed a header went for a foot clearance and missed a covering assignment when Mertsaker and Kos was pulled in on the right side.

Nobody is gonna tell me that when Verminator comes back Kos hits the bench ... he is far better than the german boy!

Gervinho and Arteta are Arsenal quality!

Walcott is a lost little puppy in a grown man's world .. he likes the ball in the channels but he isn't running into the f**king channels I mean cmonnnnnn ..... I mean really such shit and no pressure I'm sooo waiting for Wenger to sub him and bring on the 'Ox'

Scez is the best keeper in the league ... !!
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Post by: Bitter on September 24, 2011, 09:51:36 AM
3-0 Bolton down to 10 men for most of the 2nd half and Walcott out with what looks like a hamstring injury.

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Post by: Ngozi on September 24, 2011, 09:54:42 AM
3-0 Bolton down to 10 men for most of the 2nd half and Walcott out with what looks like a hamstring injury.


Just when the boy start to catch himself and start moving off the ball he seems to have gotten a hamstring injury ...... jeeezzz
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Post by: Observer on September 24, 2011, 09:58:51 AM
Initial observations ... frustrating ones ..... Gibbs switches off defensively ... missed a header went for a foot clearance and missed a covering assignment when Mertsaker and Kos was pulled in on the right side.
Nobody is gonna tell me that when Verminator comes back Kos hits the bench ... he is far better than the german boy!

Gervinho and Arteta are Arsenal quality!

Walcott is a lost little puppy in a grown man's world .. he likes the ball in the channels but he isn't running into the f**king channels I mean cmonnnnnn ..... I mean really such shit and no pressure I'm sooo waiting for Wenger to sub him and bring on the 'Ox'

Scez is the best keeper in the league ... !!

You beat me to this observation, which sums up the defensive frailty on set plays in particular.
Ramsey looked cooked by the 60min mark, he made Arteta work overtime.
Good result against a traditional boogey team

Best moment of the match: Crowd singing "were going to beat the drop"  ;D
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 24, 2011, 10:25:25 AM


You beat me to this observation, which sums up the defensive frailty on set plays in particular.
Ramsey looked cooked by the 60min mark, he made Arteta work overtime.
Good result against a traditional boogey team

Best moment of the match: Crowd singing "were going to beat the drop"  ;D

Sorry I missed most of the game. And very sorry I missed that song. Will watch it tonight on Arsenal Player.

Please more goals and more clean sheets. Looks like it might be time for one of our brand new wingers to take Theo's spot.
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Post by: Ngozi on September 24, 2011, 10:32:37 AM
Initial observations ... frustrating ones ..... Gibbs switches off defensively ... missed a header went for a foot clearance and missed a covering assignment when Mertsaker and Kos was pulled in on the right side.
Nobody is gonna tell me that when Verminator comes back Kos hits the bench ... he is far better than the german boy!

Gervinho and Arteta are Arsenal quality!

Walcott is a lost little puppy in a grown man's world .. he likes the ball in the channels but he isn't running into the f**king channels I mean cmonnnnnn ..... I mean really such shit and no pressure I'm sooo waiting for Wenger to sub him and bring on the 'Ox'

Scez is the best keeper in the league ... !!

You beat me to this observation, which sums up the defensive frailty on set plays in particular.
Ramsey looked cooked by the 60min mark, he made Arteta work overtime.
Good result against a traditional boogey team

Best moment of the match: Crowd singing "were going to beat the drop"  ;D

lol  ;D
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Post by: jason23 on September 24, 2011, 03:57:53 PM
i must say!! it was a good game!!!! but  i do hope...we get our act 2gother!!


Man City planning £30m raid for disillusioned Arsenal skipper van Persie

By Rob Draper

Last updated at 10:10 PM on 24th September 2011

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Manchester City will make a £30million swoop for Arsenal captain Robin van Persie if contract talks between the crisis club and the disaffected star make no progress before the January transfer window.

Sources close to Van Persie say he is deeply disillusioned over the summer departures of Cesc Fabregas to Barcelona and Samir Nasri and Gael Clichy to City.

Van Persie scored twice in Saturday's 3-0 win over Bolton but if he chooses to follow his former team-mates out of the club it will add to the feeling that Arsene Wenger's side, who have made Arsenal's worst start to a League season for 58 years, are unravelling.
Disillusioned: Robin van Persie has seen three of his team-mates leave over the summer

Disillusioned: Robin van Persie has seen three of his team-mates leave over the summer

Van Persie's contract - thought to be worth £80,000 a week - runs out in 2013, meaning the club would be forced to sell him by next summer if they wanted any financial return.

With central defender Thomas Vermaelen and England winger Theo Walcott also having deals ending in 2013, chief executive Ivan Gazidis has a major task convincing the Dutchman to stay.

Other players are likely to take their lead from the Arsenal captain and the club cannot afford to give the impression that wealthier clubs can cherry-pick their squad.

On Saturday Wenger confirmed Van Persie's importance to the team after his brace took him to 100 goals for Arsenal and helped secure only their second league win of the season.
Brace: Van Persie netted two goals against Bolton on Saturday

Brace: Van Persie netted two goals against Bolton on Saturday

'He has grown well into the captain's role, said Wenger. 'He is a man who speaks his mind and is doing the job well.'

Van Persie has had offers to leave before. He signed a new contract in 2009 despite Juventus, Internazionale and Chelsea all following the progress of talks. But the player is settled in London and has been committed to Arsenal.

However, the departure of so many key players and the inability of Arsenal to keep pace with Manchester United and City will inevitably be a factor in talks. Van Persie has won just one trophy at Arsenal, the FA Cup in 2005.

Talks with Vermaelen are at an early stage, according to a source close to negotiations. Walcott's representatives have not started talks but Wenger said they would begin soon. Andrey Arshavin's deal runs out in 2013.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2041266/Manchester-City-planning-30m-raid-Robin-van-Persie.html#ixzz1YvAaJ9Ts


God forbid if this happen!! i will curse mancity 2hell!! 2damn hell!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 24, 2011, 06:27:05 PM
i must say!! it was a good game!!!! but  i do hope...we get our act 2gother!!


Man City planning £30m raid for disillusioned Arsenal skipper van Persie

By Rob Draper

Last updated at 10:10 PM on 24th September 2011

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Manchester City will make a £30million swoop for Arsenal captain Robin van Persie if contract talks between the crisis club and the disaffected star make no progress before the January transfer window.

Sources close to Van Persie say he is deeply disillusioned over the summer departures of Cesc Fabregas to Barcelona and Samir Nasri and Gael Clichy to City.

Van Persie scored twice in Saturday's 3-0 win over Bolton but if he chooses to follow his former team-mates out of the club it will add to the feeling that Arsene Wenger's side, who have made Arsenal's worst start to a League season for 58 years, are unravelling.
Disillusioned: Robin van Persie has seen three of his team-mates leave over the summer

Disillusioned: Robin van Persie has seen three of his team-mates leave over the summer

Van Persie's contract - thought to be worth £80,000 a week - runs out in 2013, meaning the club would be forced to sell him by next summer if they wanted any financial return.

With central defender Thomas Vermaelen and England winger Theo Walcott also having deals ending in 2013, chief executive Ivan Gazidis has a major task convincing the Dutchman to stay.

Other players are likely to take their lead from the Arsenal captain and the club cannot afford to give the impression that wealthier clubs can cherry-pick their squad.

On Saturday Wenger confirmed Van Persie's importance to the team after his brace took him to 100 goals for Arsenal and helped secure only their second league win of the season.
Brace: Van Persie netted two goals against Bolton on Saturday

Brace: Van Persie netted two goals against Bolton on Saturday

'He has grown well into the captain's role, said Wenger. 'He is a man who speaks his mind and is doing the job well.'

Van Persie has had offers to leave before. He signed a new contract in 2009 despite Juventus, Internazionale and Chelsea all following the progress of talks. But the player is settled in London and has been committed to Arsenal.

However, the departure of so many key players and the inability of Arsenal to keep pace with Manchester United and City will inevitably be a factor in talks. Van Persie has won just one trophy at Arsenal, the FA Cup in 2005.

Talks with Vermaelen are at an early stage, according to a source close to negotiations. Walcott's representatives have not started talks but Wenger said they would begin soon. Andrey Arshavin's deal runs out in 2013.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2041266/Manchester-City-planning-30m-raid-Robin-van-Persie.html#ixzz1YvAaJ9Ts


God forbid if this happen!! i will curse mancity 2hell!! 2damn hell!
That is just a rumour. They need to sell papers. RvP loves Arsenal and he have a pay raise to get. He ent no Nasri.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 26, 2011, 06:02:40 PM
Wilshere surgery successful but he is out for 4-5 months.
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Post by: D.H.W on September 26, 2011, 08:10:30 PM
Arsenal finally win a trophy   :devil: good going ladies  :)

Check the bess goal at min 5:55
http://www.youtube.com/v/kPK-hsgL-Yc&feature=feedu

http://www.youtube.com/v/4Ik0jgp4jiw&feature=feedu
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Post by: JDB on September 27, 2011, 05:47:50 AM
Wilshere surgery successful but he is out for 4-5 months.

Wilshire is this season Vermaelen. Arsenal medical staff underselling his injury and his return date constantly getting pushed back. I would be surprised if he plays any time this season.

If they knew he was injured against Switzerland why did they play him in pre-season games?
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 27, 2011, 07:37:02 AM
Arsenal ladies winning trophies like rain for a while now. The men could probably learn something from them.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 27, 2011, 10:50:31 AM
9 first team players out? When will this end?!?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/sep/27/arsenal-theo-walcott-olympiakos-champions-league (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/sep/27/arsenal-theo-walcott-olympiakos-champions-league)

Arsenal lose Theo Walcott for game with Olympiakos in Champions League
• Gervinho and Laurent Koscielny also ruled out
• Wenger hopeful all three will be fit for Spurs game
Tuesday 27 September 2011 13.52 BST

Arsenal will be without Theo Walcott, Gervinho and Laurent Koscielny for Wednesday's Champions League encounter against Olympiakos.

The England winger Walcott picked up a knee injury late on during Arsenal's 3-0 win over Bolton on Saturday and he missed training on Tuesday. Gervinho has a hamstring starin and Koscielny an ankle problem.

However, Arsène Wenger is hopeful all three will recover in time to be fit for this weekend's north London derby with Tottenham Hotspur at White Hart Lane.

It means Arsenal go into their tie with nine players missing through injury. Besides the three already mentioned, Sébastien Squillaci has a knee problem, Jack Wilshere a long-term ankle injury, Abou Diaby an ankle problem, Yossi Benayoun a groin strain, Thomas Vermaelen an ankle injury and Johan Djourou a hamstring problem.

With four of their five central defenders absent, Wenger is set to play Alex Song at centre-half alongside Per Mertesacker.

Arsenal are looking to follow up a 1-1 draw away to Borussia Dortmund with their first win of this season's group stages of the Champions League.
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Post by: giggsy11 on September 27, 2011, 04:49:37 PM
I think Walcott could have benefitted from going out on loan when he signed for Arsenal. I think it would have possibly given him the opportunity to develop different aspects of his game ie passing, shooting and thinking! Also he would ahve gotten the opportunity to play as a striker versus being shuttled out on the wing for Arsenal. Not sure why Wenger did not send him out on loan early in his career.
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Post by: GunnerStunner on September 28, 2011, 07:35:48 AM
 ;DOff to London today, won't be able to get any scores until intouch down tonight (or if the pilot is a champions league fan)

Hoping to get a ticket to sundays derby at white hart lane, wish it was emirates but never been to a north london derby

Donations towards attending are welcome  ;D
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 28, 2011, 08:17:54 AM
Hope you take yuh T&T flag to Sh!te Hart Lane. We go look for yuh in de away section. Cyah help yuh as I still paying off my ticket to the Swansea game. Dat 6% hurtin boy! :beermug:

Come on you GUNNERS!
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Post by: mukumsplau on September 28, 2011, 09:12:10 AM
http://www.sincearsenallastwonatrophy.co.uk/ (http://www.sincearsenallastwonatrophy.co.uk/)
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Post by: sammy on September 28, 2011, 09:16:04 AM
http://www.sincearsenallastwonatrophy.co.uk/ (http://www.sincearsenallastwonatrophy.co.uk/)

 ;D
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 28, 2011, 12:48:40 PM
Arsenal Lineup: Szczesny, Sagna, Mertesacker, Song, Andre Santos, Frimpong, Arteta, Rosicky, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Arshavin, Chamakh.
Subs: Fabianski, Park, van Persie, Ramsey, Jenkinson, Gibbs, Coquelin.

I guess they want to see if they can keep RvP fresh for Spuds?!? Judgement call but I don't know...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 28, 2011, 12:58:08 PM
Oxlade-Chamberlain 8' Boom!

Run it up Gunners!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 28, 2011, 01:11:52 PM
Santos! 2-0. If this wasn't Arsenal you'd say "game over".
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 28, 2011, 01:17:10 PM
2-1 now. So Arsenal still haven't learned to defend corners. Steuuuuups!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on September 28, 2011, 01:41:18 PM
Oxtail lookin like he could pan out
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 28, 2011, 01:44:14 PM
Oxtail lookin like he could pan out
He better, the way we defend set pieces...
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Post by: Observer on September 28, 2011, 01:59:26 PM
Arshavin is boo  :frustrated:
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 28, 2011, 02:40:22 PM
Game over. On to Sh!te Hart Lane. Wenger PLEASE do some corner drills before Sunday?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on September 28, 2011, 02:47:29 PM
Song was on song today. He and Metta man look good.
Santos is the real deal as he gets fitter he will be solid
Sagna had a poor outing in my books, very indecisive in possession & when up against a right footed player on the left, he allows crosses to rain in.
Rosicky showed sparks of his old self and actually played 90 minutes :o

Chamak at least he fought the game, but needs something to happen for him. He thrives on crosses in the air, so if he is on that is what is required.

Not sure about the defending argument & the back line, to my untrained eye it is the midfield defending that looks very weak. very slow to close down the ball, reluctant to track & weak in the tackle

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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 28, 2011, 02:50:44 PM
Song was on song today. He and Metta man look good.
Santos is the real deal as he gets fitter he will be solid
Sagna had a poor outing in my books, very indecisive in possession & when up against a right footed player on the left, he allows crosses to rain in.
Rosicky showed sparks of his old self and actually played 90 minutes :o

Chamak at least he fought the game, but needs something to happen for him. He thrives on crosses in the air, so if he is on that is what is required.

Not sure about the defending argument & the back line, to my untrained eye it is the midfield defending that looks very weak. very slow to close down the ball, reluctant to track & weak in the tackle

To be honest I cheated a little bit. I'm stuck in work reading a live update. I know that they scored from a corner and Arteta cleared one off the line. We can't be still doing this nonsense with set pieces if we want to climb the table.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 28, 2011, 08:43:57 PM
Now done watching the game. Is it me or is Alex Song playing some real sweet Hollywood passes these days?
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Post by: Ngozi on September 28, 2011, 09:19:38 PM
This team has to be hard to beat we have some talented players ... defensively we do ok individually i doh know why scez have to be making so much saves .. the midfield does a fair amount of work too.   The only reason has to be a gap between the defense and midfield or maybe we play too high or maybe we pull back people too far when we should be pushing them onto the incoming player. I cant put my finger on it.

Arteta impresses me, Song need I say more?
Rosicky looking like his old self he sees things the others dont and his first touch is ridiculous .. he should easily be starting over Ramsey in the attacking mid role. Even in the manu game he was creating chances.
Santos looks ok going forward but I'm not sold on him he looks out of shape and a lil fat and defensively he's suspect .. I'd go with Gibbs in front of him.

Ox did well but he needs to work harder off the ball when called upon defensively n we did miss Walcott darting into the space for the through balls
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Post by: Bitter on October 02, 2011, 09:36:42 AM
Ramsey real pulling stones.
Put in Benayoun
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Post by: Bakes on October 02, 2011, 09:46:00 AM
Ramsey real pulling stones.
Put in Benayoun

I surprise Benayoun eh getting regular run... or maybe he has? I really doh keep up with the clubs near the bottom  ;D

Seriously speaking though in three or four games this season Gervinho hasn't shown me a single thing, I can't even tell you what quality he brings to the side, unless yuh counting he hair cut as a PSA.  Arsenal must also be thinking that they buy deyselves a cat in bag with Mertesacker.


1-0 Spurs... Van der Vaart 40'
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Post by: giggsy11 on October 02, 2011, 09:47:00 AM
Bale aka 'Planet of the Apes Head'. More goals please. Benny might be injured.
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Post by: Bitter on October 02, 2011, 09:55:03 AM
Bale aka 'Planet of the Apes Head'. More goals please. Benny might be injured.

He on the bench. Even if he injured, he cyah be pulling more stones than Ramsey. Rosicky not on the bench, so is Frimpong, Benayoun or Arshavin
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Post by: kicker on October 02, 2011, 09:57:45 AM
Benayoun has been hurt - so he probably not fit. 

Arsenal reaaaallll disorganized at the back. 
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Post by: Bitter on October 02, 2011, 10:15:32 AM
Ramsey redeems himself.
1-1
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Post by: kicker on October 02, 2011, 10:16:29 AM
Ramsey redeems himself.
1-1

He was really having a nightmare game until that goal fuh real!
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Post by: kaliman2006 on October 02, 2011, 10:19:38 AM
Ramsey redeems himself.
1-1

He was really having a nightmare game until that goal fuh real!

It was a nice finish on the run too.
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Post by: giggsy11 on October 02, 2011, 10:21:05 AM
As skillfull as Van Der Vaart is, I would not want him on my team. He doesn't come across as someone who plays for himself and not the team. Or able to fits into a structured team system which is why I guess he can play for Arry. Arry just throws players out there an lets them play.
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Post by: kaliman2006 on October 02, 2011, 10:24:21 AM
As skillfull as Van Der Vaart is, I would not want him on my team. He doesn't come across as someone who plays for himself and not the team. Or able to fits into a structured team system which is why I guess he can play for Arry. Arry just throws players out there an lets them play.

I take it you mean he comes across someone who plays for himself and not the team. Right?
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Post by: kicker on October 02, 2011, 10:24:59 AM
2nd half has been all Arsenal but Arsenal too vulerable at the back..everytime Spurs go forward they look like they can score. 
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Post by: giggsy11 on October 02, 2011, 10:25:39 AM
As skillfull as Van Der Vaart is, I would not want him on my team. He doesn't come across as someone who plays for himself and not the team. Or able to fits into a structured team system which is why I guess he can play for Arry. Arry just throws players out there an lets them play.

I take it you mean he comes across someone who plays for himself and not the team. Right?

Yes  ;D He selfish!
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Post by: Bitter on October 02, 2011, 10:29:06 AM
Arsenal pick up the speed of the passing, which is what they used to do in the Invincibles days when they were down.  Do the same thing, just do it faster.  They also looking to press high up the field to protect the defense and make Hotspurs play faster than they want to, and protect the defense that way. They are still a mess in the back and have to maintain the intensity, because if Spurs get free from the press, is trouble.
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Post by: kaliman2006 on October 02, 2011, 10:30:21 AM
As skillfull as Van Der Vaart is, I would not want him on my team. He doesn't come across as someone who plays for himself and not the team. Or able to fits into a structured team system which is why I guess he can play for Arry. Arry just throws players out there an lets them play.

I take it you mean he comes across someone who plays for himself and not the team. Right?

Yes  ;D He selfish!

Thanks for the clarification.
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Post by: Bitter on October 02, 2011, 10:31:45 AM
Yet another injury in the back.
Arsene need to feed he buck
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Post by: kaliman2006 on October 02, 2011, 10:33:27 AM
Arsenal pick up the speed of the passing, which is what they used to do in the Invincibles days when they were down.  Do the same thing, just do it faster.  They also looking to press high up the field to protect the defense and make Hotspurs play faster than they want to, and protect the defense that way. They are still a mess in the back and have to maintain the intensity, because if Spurs get free from the press, is trouble.

Szczęsny did well to save that Adebayor shot when Ade was 1 v1 with him. Szczęsny has performed well this season, considering all of Arsenal's defensive frailties.
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Post by: Bitter on October 02, 2011, 10:37:18 AM
Arsenal pick up the speed of the passing, which is what they used to do in the Invincibles days when they were down.  Do the same thing, just do it faster.  They also looking to press high up the field to protect the defense and make Hotspurs play faster than they want to, and protect the defense that way. They are still a mess in the back and have to maintain the intensity, because if Spurs get free from the press, is trouble.

Szczęsny did well to save that Adebayor shot when Ade was 1 v1 with him. Szczęsny has performed well this season, considering all of Arsenal's defensive frailties.


Yuh put goat mout on the man
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Post by: kicker on October 02, 2011, 10:38:07 AM
Ball took a strange late dip...
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Post by: kaliman2006 on October 02, 2011, 10:44:52 AM
Arsenal pick up the speed of the passing, which is what they used to do in the Invincibles days when they were down.  Do the same thing, just do it faster.  They also looking to press high up the field to protect the defense and make Hotspurs play faster than they want to, and protect the defense that way. They are still a mess in the back and have to maintain the intensity, because if Spurs get free from the press, is trouble.

Szczęsny did well to save that Adebayor shot when Ade was 1 v1 with him. Szczęsny has performed well this season, considering all of Arsenal's defensive frailties.


Yuh put goat mout on the man

I know. 

I am like the cricket commentator who says a batsman's been batting well and he gets out the next delivery.

 ;D
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Post by: Bakes on October 02, 2011, 10:45:44 AM
Ball took a strange late dip...

Yeah that was real hard luck.
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Post by: giggsy11 on October 02, 2011, 10:54:47 AM
I don't think Arsene9 does a good job of setting players up to play to their strengths. Gervinho seems a good player but it doesn't seem like he has yet intergrated into the side.
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Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on October 02, 2011, 11:15:58 AM
I think we can officially rule this shit side out of the race.. top 3 will be United City Chelsea in any order and 4th will be a dog fight between Spurs and Pool I reckon...Arsenal have plenty more licks to come over the season

We go take Sagna and Van Persie in the summer.. bless
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Post by: fari on October 02, 2011, 12:17:40 PM
this loss hurt.   spers were not better than us...and that is saying a lot considering ramsey had a stinker his goal notwithstanding.   lord jenkinson tries so hard but he is just not ready.  hope sagna not out too long.    we are in a real dogfight this season.  europa league will be an achievement the way this side has been playing.  i still waiting for a full strength side to be back, lord we missing wilshere and verms.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 02, 2011, 01:16:19 PM
This team real playing below its abilities. Spurs should NEVER be beating us. Rambo need a bench dey. Arsenal need to work the flanks more too. They shoulda put on Chamakh for Rambo. Szczesny shoulda had that second goal too. Sure it take a dip but no excuses. He got a hand to it and shoulda held it. And he was excellent all game otherwise. Centre backs weren't aggressive enough either. And Coquelin switch off too many times. How often did he not track VDV's runs into the box?!? The boy have ability but he need to wake up.
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Post by: Bakes on October 02, 2011, 01:37:12 PM
This team real playing below its abilities. Spurs should NEVER be beating us. Rambo need a bench dey. Arsenal need to work the flanks more too. They shoulda put on Chamakh for Rambo. Szczesny shoulda had that second goal too. Sure it take a dip but no excuses. He got a hand to it and shoulda held it. And he was excellent all game otherwise. Centre backs weren't aggressive enough either. And Coquelin switch off too many times. How often did he not track VDV's runs into the box?!? The boy have ability but he need to wake up.

The goal was Sagna's fault though... curious that AOC didn't play as well.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 02, 2011, 04:19:21 PM
This team real playing below its abilities. Spurs should NEVER be beating us. Rambo need a bench dey. Arsenal need to work the flanks more too. They shoulda put on Chamakh for Rambo. Szczesny shoulda had that second goal too. Sure it take a dip but no excuses. He got a hand to it and shoulda held it. And he was excellent all game otherwise. Centre backs weren't aggressive enough either. And Coquelin switch off too many times. How often did he not track VDV's runs into the box?!? The boy have ability but he need to wake up.

The goal was Sagna's fault though... curious that AOC didn't play as well.
Fair enough, but VDV kept getting away with it and only needed to get lucky once.

Agree with you on AOC but I guess Wenger still believes in Arshavin, besides Jenkinson needed cover and judging from AOC's performance on Wednesday he was never going to provide it.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 02, 2011, 04:32:12 PM
Sagna broken Fibula, out 3 months.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Daft Trini on October 02, 2011, 06:24:28 PM
What is Wenger's excuse?
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Post by: dinho on October 02, 2011, 07:35:20 PM
This is truly shameful...

Redknapp condemns Adebayor chants

http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/premierleague/story/harry-redknapp-arsenal-fans-emmanuel-adebayor-chants-100211
     
Tottenham manager Harry Redknapp has condemned the Arsenal fans who taunted Emmanuel Adebayor during Sunday's north London derby with chants mocking the deadly gun attack last year on his Togo team.

Three people died when gunmen attacked Togo's team bus at the Africa Cup of Nations in Angola in January 2010, leading to captain Adebayor retiring from international football.

Referring to the victims of the attack, a section of the visiting Arsenal fans chanted ''it should have been you'' to Adebayor. The striker left Arsenal in 2009 to join Manchester City, which has loaned him to archrival Tottenham.

Tottenham manager Harry Redknapp says the chanting was ''disgusting.''

Redknapp added: ''How do you chant something like that to someone?''
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 02, 2011, 07:37:53 PM
Love how every time Wenger is asked why Arsenal lost he is giving excuses. If you don't want to know why he thinks they lost then don't follow his goddamn postgame interviews.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 02, 2011, 07:39:42 PM
This is truly shameful...

Redknapp condemns Adebayor chants

http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/premierleague/story/harry-redknapp-arsenal-fans-emmanuel-adebayor-chants-100211
     
Tottenham manager Harry Redknapp has condemned the Arsenal fans who taunted Emmanuel Adebayor during Sunday's north London derby with chants mocking the deadly gun attack last year on his Togo team.

Three people died when gunmen attacked Togo's team bus at the Africa Cup of Nations in Angola in January 2010, leading to captain Adebayor retiring from international football.

Referring to the victims of the attack, a section of the visiting Arsenal fans chanted ''it should have been you'' to Adebayor. The striker left Arsenal in 2009 to join Manchester City, which has loaned him to archrival Tottenham.

Tottenham manager Harry Redknapp says the chanting was ''disgusting.''

Redknapp added: ''How do you chant something like that to someone?''
That is pretty bad. It's just a game. Oh well, nobody could ever accuse football fans of sensitivity or level headedness.
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Post by: Bakes on October 02, 2011, 08:16:11 PM
Agree with you on AOC but I guess Wenger still believes in Arshavin, besides Jenkinson needed cover and judging from AOC's performance on Wednesday he was never going to provide it.

Yeah but I thought that's what the Yossi sub was supposed to address... Arshavin should be seeing nothing but ah practice bib and some cones.


Hard luck dey Sagna.... such an innocuous (seeming) play.
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Post by: GunnerStunner on October 03, 2011, 03:16:49 AM
People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones! Period

I was there and spurs fans were singing aweful shite about wenger.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

You love the cheeky chants the supporters of english clubs come up with to show love or hate from the terraces.
Its a double edged sword so don't be shocked and amoral about it. This is my view after being in the crowd and hearing all the chants.

Not one racist chant, awesome. Two chants one each directed at opposition player and manager. The rest of the dozen or more chants were for arsenal support, RvP and Cheesey. The rest were chants at tottenhams lack of premier league titles, us winning the league at white hart lane in 1971 and 2004, that north london is ours, tottenham is a shit hole etc.

What was sung to adebayor was hateful spiteful and regretable. Many better things to have taunted him for.

"It should have been you! It should have been you! Shot in Angola, it should have been you!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 03, 2011, 07:30:38 AM
Agree with you on AOC but I guess Wenger still believes in Arshavin, besides Jenkinson needed cover and judging from AOC's performance on Wednesday he was never going to provide it.

Yeah but I thought that's what the Yossi sub was supposed to address... Arshavin should be seeing nothing but ah practice bib and some cones.


Hard luck dey Sagna.... such an innocuous (seeming) play.

You're right. I was confusing AA and Benayoun. Arshavin was on for Gervinho. The point I was TRYING to make was that AOC could have come on for Gervinho but Le Boss clearly prefers Arshavin. Undeservingly, as you pointed out.

And now we have 4 fit defenders out of 10, and 3 are backups. Sigh!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 03, 2011, 10:00:07 AM
Arsenal and Spurs 'disappointed' by chants

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/arsenal-and-spurs-disappointed-by-chants (http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/arsenal-and-spurs-disappointed-by-chants)

Arsenal and Tottenham Hotspur have issued the following joint statement expressing their “disappointment” at some of the chants by fans during yesterday’s North London derby:
 
“Both clubs were extremely disappointed to hear the chants from supporters at yesterday's game. Neither club tolerates foul language, racist chanting, homophobic chanting or any anti-social behaviour from its supporters.

"We shall be working closely with each other to identify the individuals involved.”
 
Arsenal for Everyone
We do not tolerate discrimination of any sort at the Club, on the pitch or in the stands. If you experience any form of discrimination at Emirates Stadium, please report this by texting 67777 or contact a Matchday Steward.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 03, 2011, 11:04:56 AM
This is getting ridiculous!!!!

Arsenal keeper Szczesny pulls out of Poland squad

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/feedarticle/9876610 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/feedarticle/9876610)

LONDON, Oct 3 (Reuters) - The injury-curse blighting Arsenal's season struck again on Monday when goalkeeper Wojciech Szczesny pulled out of the Poland squad for two upcoming friendlies against South Korea and Belarus with a bad back.
Szczesny, 21, who has played six time for Poland, was due to meet up with his international team mates this week but the official Polish FA website (www.pzpn.pl) said in a statement that coach Franciszek Smuda had called up Genk goalkeeper Grzegorz Sandomierski as his replacement.
Szczesny, 21, was in the Arsenal team beaten 2-1 by arch-rivals Tottenham Hotspur in the North London derby on Sunday, coming in for some criticism for conceding Tottenham's 73rd minute winner when he allowed Kyle Walker's long-range shot to elude his grasp.
Szczesny will now join his Arsenal team mates Laurent Koscielny, Thomas Vermaelen, Johan Djourou, Abou Diaby and Jack Wilshere on the sidelines as well as Bacary Sagna who suffered a broken leg against Spurs on Sunday.
Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger will be hoping that all but Wilshere and Sagna, who face five and three months out respectively, will be back for Arsenal's next League match at home to Sunderland in two weeks' time.
Poland, who co-host Euro 2012 with Ukraine next summer, have qualified automatically for the finals and are travelling to South Korea for a friendly on Friday before an away match in Belarus on Oct. 11.
Attacking midfielder Ludovic Obraniak of Lille is also out of the squad with an injury and has been replaced by Janusz Gol of Legia Warsaw. (Reporting by Mike Collett, editing by Justin Palmer)
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Post by: kicker on October 03, 2011, 12:47:40 PM
Every season Arsenal seems to have the longest injury list...
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 03, 2011, 01:54:36 PM
Every season Arsenal seems to have the longest injury list...
I know. Something has to be wrong. No team could be this unlucky.
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Post by: Ngozi on October 04, 2011, 01:16:17 AM
Thought I would throw my 15 cents in there about the situation .... the chant to Adebayor is wrong and no man should be subjected to that .. plain talk.
Unfortunately for us to maintain our levels the young players are not going to be given time to grow up and be sheltered ... the cream comes to the fore .. always.

Coquerine has come back good ... from the man united fiasco .... and playing well  ...     I've been told that he can play wingback as well if need be so he can provide some cover for Sagna (get well soon) .... I'm seeing the lil signs off pieces of the puzzle coming together.

Some players need to be pulled from the firing line .. Ramsey being one  of them and Walcott being the other. Walcott did nothing and he didn't want the ball  a major disappointment .... Ramsey on the other hand wanted the ball but couldnt deliver ... I like the kid he doesnt give up but he's not quite there yet.

Gibbs is growing up  ... Mertsaker believe it or not is improving coming to grips with the pace of the game
Song has always been and remains one of my favorite players.

Right now Arsenal needs a spark that the older players are not giving ... Arsharvin is a shadow of himself and should remain on the sidelines .. if we're going to die then lets die with youth .. release Ryo and  Ox  ... right now our attacking mid is non existent and no one is linking with Van Persie who is looking more and more frustrated... and right fully so.  Gervinho is working hard and he keeps working it will come I don't think he is doing that badly .... The middle three one of two things has to happen you either bring coquerine in with song and push Arteta to the attacking midfield role or bring in Rosicky for Ramsey ... truth is he is the only player on this team that creates openings for the forwards regardless of what people say.Ox has scored in his last two games and doesnt look as lost as walcott curently does bring him in. Jenkinson looks a little short on confidence but he didnt do as badly as people thought ... I mean he was facing Bale one of the faster players in the league we can cut him a little slack ... The injuries will clear up and we will get better ... no sense in being a fan if yuh only there for the highs and not the lows  .. knock on wood Gibbs and Van P are staying healthy so far!!!
Other than maybe man city and man united..... which team could survive with this much players injured out?
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Post by: grimm01 on October 04, 2011, 07:15:22 AM
Every season Arsenal seems to have the longest injury list...
I know. Something has to be wrong. No team could be this unlucky.

all dem men can't be made of glass... they should look at the training.
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Post by: kicker on October 04, 2011, 07:20:18 AM
Other than maybe man city and man united..... which team could survive with this much players injured out?

Many would argue that Arsenal hasn't "survived" ... unless you're point was to say that they've haven't survived but yuh couldn't reasonably expect them to.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 04, 2011, 07:27:09 AM
Ngozi I like your sense of perspective but it real tough boy! This injury crisis season after season is just crippling. 1 starter at centre back and 2 left backs battling for top spot and then is all backups and makeshift! Plus the only 2 midfielders with strength on the ball (Diaby and Wilshere) are chronically injured.

Positionally I agree with you except for Arteta as attacking mid. I don't think he would play well there. Might be worth a try though. Nothing else seems to be working.

I watched Song's postgame interview on Arsenal.com and he was talking like he has lost his patience. I also read Pat Rice blow out the squad after the game. It was real annoying watching an Arsenal side playing inside itself lose narrowly to a Tottenham side playing near the limit of its abilities. Even with our injury record Arsenal had no right losing that game. None whatsoever.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 04, 2011, 07:43:34 AM
Other than maybe man city and man united..... which team could survive with this much players injured out?

Many would argue that Arsenal hasn't "survived" ... unless you're point was to say that they've haven't survived but yuh couldn't reasonably expect them to.
I thought that was his point. Personally I think the injury thing is only part of the story. This team lacking something. A string of substandard performances to me indicates there is something wrong with the players on the pitch.
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Post by: Ngozi on October 04, 2011, 01:19:34 PM
I know it's a regrettable statement but the team lacking a go to man in the midfield someone who makes the team tick Man City has  Silva who floats and now Nasri , Tottenham has Modric, Man united has Nani and Anderson, Chelsea lampard, liverpool gerrard etc ..... We don't ... we have the best defensive mid in the business Song and good organiser in Arteta but we don't have the link, the spark that starts the offense .. in short we don't have 'Fabregas' ... the closest thing we have is Rosicky and he is in and out of the team  :(
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Post by: Ngozi on October 04, 2011, 01:25:01 PM
Other than maybe man city and man united..... which team could survive with this much players injured out?

Many would argue that Arsenal hasn't "survived" ... unless you're point was to say that they've haven't survived but yuh couldn't reasonably expect them to.
Nah  my point is based on the fact that yes they are struggling but it aint about your position at the beginning of the season it's your position and the end. It aint over till it's over
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Post by: GunnerStunner on October 06, 2011, 07:38:40 AM
tell ya what, an underpar arsenal was only defeated by a spurs team playing hard almost to the limit of thier potential. and there in lies the difference.

arsenal are not clicking, flowing, making the runs, clinical, ruthless, hungry and slow.

we are not playing the arsenal way
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Post by: kicker on October 06, 2011, 07:46:13 AM
tell ya what, an underpar arsenal was only defeated by a spurs team playing hard almost to the limit of thier potential. and there in lies the difference.

Doens't matter what you're capable of doing if you're not doing it. 
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 06, 2011, 08:40:09 AM
tell ya what, an underpar arsenal was only defeated by a spurs team playing hard almost to the limit of thier potential. and there in lies the difference.

Doens't matter what you're capable of doing if you're not doing it. 
Agreed. The question is: "why aren't they?" Something seriously wrong with this side and I'm getting worried. They losing too many games to inferior teams.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 06, 2011, 03:12:03 PM
I now seeing Ox score a hattrick for England U-21 against Iceland.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 06, 2011, 06:21:55 PM
Iceland U21s 0 England U21s 3: match report

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/england/8811433/Iceland-U21s-0-England-U21s-3-match-report.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/england/8811433/Iceland-U21s-0-England-U21s-3-match-report.html)

Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain scored a hat-trick as England’s perfect start to their latest European Under-21 Championship campaign continued with an easy win in Iceland on Thursday night.

The Arsenal winger ran riot in Reykjavik, scoring a quickfire first-half double before completing his treble shortly after the break.

The win maintained England’s 100 per cent start to their latest qualifying campaign, further banishing memories of the summer’s dismal finals in Denmark ahead of Monday’s trip to Norway. The only negatives were hamstring injuries to Nathan Delfouneso and Martyn Waghorn, who both limped off and appear doubtful for the next game.

This match was expected to be the first real test for Stuart Pearce’s new-look side, who routed Group Eight whipping boys Azerbaijan 6-0 in their opening qualifier last month.

Iceland had beaten England in their last meeting and had also reached this summer’s finals, but it soon became clear their current crop of youngsters was not up to that standard.

The visitors quickly assumed control and could easily have gone ahead three times in the opening 10 minutes. The returning Martin Kelly was denied by a fine save from Arnar Darri Petursson from Henri Lansbury’s corner.

Lansbury then released Marvin Sordell down the right but the Watford striker made a hash of his finish on his full debut. Kelly then narrowly failed to get his foot on another Lansbury corner but it was not long before England were in front as Oxlade-Chamberlain struck.

He pounced on a loose ball, raced goalward and coolly slotted home across the goalkeeper, who then gifted the 18-year-old his second three minutes later. Petursson spilt Delfouneso’s cross straight at the feet of Oxlade-Chamberlain, who passed the ball into the empty net.

England killed the contest within five minutes of the restart after more brilliance from the precocious Oxlade-Chamberlain. He easily beat two men before unleashing a cross-cum-shot from the tightest of angles which Petursson helped into the net.

Waghorn appeared to pull his hamstring on the hour mark and was carried off to be replaced by Josh McEachran.

Oxlade-Chamberlain was withdrawn for the final eight minutes, with Everton midfielder Ross Barkley coming on.

Iceland: A Petursson, K Jonsson (Steindorsson 54), Eyjolfsson, Laxdal, Snorrason, Valdimarsson, Sigurbjornsson, R Sigurjonsson, Margeirsson, Sverrisson (Hannesson 57), Johannsson.
Subs: AT Magnusson, Gudjonsson,H Magnusson, Thorarinsson, A Sigurjonsson.
Booked: Steindorsson, Valdimarsson.

England: Butland, Flanagan, Briggs, Dawson, Kelly, Oxlade-Chamberlain (Barkley 82), Rodwell, Henderson, Lansbury, Sordell, Delfouneso (Waghorn 24, McEachran 63).
Subs: Amos, Smith, Baker, Lowe.
Booked: Kelly.

Referee: C Turpin (France).
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Post by: Ngozi on October 06, 2011, 06:48:28 PM
The kid scoring for fun it's criminal to leave him on the bench with ramsey and walcott playing that level of shit!!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 07, 2011, 08:04:48 AM
The kid scoring for fun it's criminal to leave him on the bench with ramsey and walcott playing that level of shit!!
Cyah really see how Ramsey comes into it for him, unless you want to pull RVP back there and put someone else to strike with AOC on the wing. A member here was saying take off Ramsey and play RVP there with Theo going up front and AOC on the wing. Similar, in concept if not in quality, to the Rooney/Chicharito/Nani triangle United have.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 07, 2011, 08:18:24 AM
By the way, Ramsey has, according to OPTA, created more goalscoring chances than any other Arsenal player this season (15) and has 3 assists out of 9. So he's not all bad.
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Post by: kicker on October 07, 2011, 08:56:19 AM
By the way, Ramsey has, according to OPTA, created more goalscoring chances than any other Arsenal player this season (15) and has 3 assists out of 9. So he's not all bad.


If you compare how many chances he's created relative to his counterparts (on other teams) in the same role then it becomes more meaningful. 

Also meaningful is if you take the ratio of chances created by him relative to chances created by his other teammates, and compare that to the same ratio for his counterparts (on other teams) in the same role, relative to their team mates...

Those two statistics will give you a better sense of whether he's under or overperforming (in the creativity department)...and even that might only reveal the difference between how different teams are set up to attack. 

If he's occupies one of the main creative roles in the Arsenal line up it's pretty obvious that he would have created more goal scoring opportunities than his teammates....
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 07, 2011, 09:15:14 AM
By the way, Ramsey has, according to OPTA, created more goalscoring chances than any other Arsenal player this season (15) and has 3 assists out of 9. So he's not all bad.


If you compare how many chances he's created relative to his counterparts (on other teams) in the same role then it becomes more meaningful. 

Also meaningful is if you take the ratio of chances created by him relative to chances created by his other teammates, and compare that to the same ratio for his counterparts (on other teams) in the same role, relative to their team mates...

Those two statistics will give you a better sense of whether he's under or overperforming (in the creativity department)...and even that might only reveal the difference between how different teams are set up to attack. 

If he's occupies one of the main creative roles in the Arsenal line up it's pretty obvious that he would have created more goal scoring opportunities than his teammates....
All very good points. I was just highlighting something I read that I thought was interesting. He has impressed me only in patches this season. Other times he has been tootoo. I think he genuinely has more ability than Wilshere even but if you can't do it when you need to...
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 07, 2011, 09:16:23 AM
By the way, South Korea v Poland friendly ended 2-2. Park Ju Yung scored both S. Korea goals. On Fabianski.  :banginghead:
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Post by: Ngozi on October 07, 2011, 09:20:48 AM
By the way, Ramsey has, according to OPTA, created more goalscoring chances than any other Arsenal player this season (15) and has 3 assists out of 9. So he's not all bad.


If you compare how many chances he's created relative to his counterparts (on other teams) in the same role then it becomes more meaningful. 

Also meaningful is if you take the ratio of chances created by him relative to chances created by his other teammates, and compare that to the same ratio for his counterparts (on other teams) in the same role, relative to their team mates...

Those two statistics will give you a better sense of whether he's under or overperforming (in the creativity department)...and even that might only reveal the difference between how different teams are set up to attack. 

If he's occupies one of the main creative roles in the Arsenal line up it's pretty obvious that he would have created more goal scoring opportunities than his teammates....


Excellent points but creating chances can be multiplied if he can't link the attack with the midfield more effectively.... he has been given that creative role and though I dont question his work ethic he's very ineffective ... miscontrolling,  poorly weighted passes , poor shooting I don't rate him!!
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Post by: Ngozi on October 07, 2011, 09:28:08 AM
The kid scoring for fun it's criminal to leave him on the bench with ramsey and walcott playing that level of shit!!
Cyah really see how Ramsey comes into it for him, unless you want to pull RVP back there and put someone else to strike with AOC on the wing. A member here was saying take off Ramsey and play RVP there with Theo going up front and AOC on the wing. Similar, in concept if not in quality, to the Rooney/Chicharito/Nani triangle United have.

The truth is I would either do the midfield like this   Coquerine and Song as the two defensive mids and give Arteta the attacking role or Arteta and Song the two defensive mids and give Rosicky the attacking mid role and put AOC up top with Gervinho and RVP ..... Van Persie is our best scoring option no way I'm moving him from that role ..... it simply means the other players in their roles need to step up ... I fear if we don't improve he will leave  :( and I wouldnt blame him. If we had done better last season we wouldnt have lost our two key mids and now we're probably gonna lose Hazard to  Real madrid as well although in retrospect I'm not certain he would be a great fit for arsenal ... he's like an expensive luxury we need someone for that attacking mid role  .. who plays like Gourcouff or a similar type player .. I don't think Mata would have been a good fit in this team either.
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Post by: dwn on October 07, 2011, 02:08:59 PM
The kid scoring for fun it's criminal to leave him on the bench with ramsey and walcott playing that level of shit!!
Cyah really see how Ramsey comes into it for him, unless you want to pull RVP back there and put someone else to strike with AOC on the wing. A member here was saying take off Ramsey and play RVP there with Theo going up front and AOC on the wing. Similar, in concept if not in quality, to the Rooney/Chicharito/Nani triangle United have.

The truth is I would either do the midfield like this   Coquerine and Song as the two defensive mids and give Arteta the attacking role or Arteta and Song the two defensive mids and give Rosicky the attacking mid role and put AOC up top with Gervinho and RVP ..... Van Persie is our best scoring option no way I'm moving him from that role ..... it simply means the other players in their roles need to step up ...

Some time ago I would have been with you on the Rosicky call but I am starting to lose faith in him. He has a lot better technique than Ramsey and you see it in his turns and first touch, but he is missing something that I can't quite put a finger on in terms of creativity. I almost feel like Rosicky has looked better when playing on the wing than in the middle. I like the idea of Arteta and Song holding with RVP sitting behind the main striker. But if not RVP, I would put a mobile player like Benayoun, Chamberlain or even Gervinho behind the striker. Most times Ramsey gets the ball under pressure you can expect a backwards pass, those other men that I name have more ability to get out of a tight situation and cause the opposition defense a little more panic. Rosicky has it too and I would love to see the man get back to where we know he could be. But of late I find him either too inconsistent or lacking in terms of final product.
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Post by: kicker on October 07, 2011, 02:32:26 PM
Rosicky is one of those players who has been injured too much and just doesn't have it anymore.  He plays well within himself probably because his body can't do the things his mind wants to do.  He's a genuis baller but kinda burnt out I think - never fully fit and always struggling to find back form - players like that are always playing catch up because it always takes a while to get back to form after injury, and of course there's the risk of getting injured again while you're doing so.... little mozart was his nickname in the Dortmund days because of his ability to Orchestrate but I think his best days are way behind him...Kinda reminds me of Aimar - loads of talent but always in the rehab room.  It's take a toll after a while.  Watch Aimar play for Benfica now - real technique, ball sense for days...but can't really elevate himself physically to play at the level that separates good players from proper game changers. 
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 07, 2011, 02:50:23 PM
The truth is I would either do the midfield like this   Coquerine and Song as the two defensive mids and give Arteta the attacking role or Arteta and Song the two defensive mids and give Rosicky the attacking mid role and put AOC up top with Gervinho and RVP ..... Van Persie is our best scoring option no way I'm moving him from that role ..... it simply means the other players in their roles need to step up ... I fear if we don't improve he will leave  :( and I wouldnt blame him. If we had done better last season we wouldnt have lost our two key mids and now we're probably gonna lose Hazard to  Real madrid as well although in retrospect I'm not certain he would be a great fit for arsenal ... he's like an expensive luxury we need someone for that attacking mid role  .. who plays like Gourcouff or a similar type player .. I don't think Mata would have been a good fit in this team either.
My thought was a Song/Arteta double pivot (Like the Pirlo/Ambrosini of AC Milan or Alonso/Mascherano at Liverpool) with RvP or Arshavin operating as a #10. Always thought of Arteta as more of a deep lying playmaker (a regista as the Italians call it). Walcott or Chamakh as a centre forward with Gervinho and Chamberlain on the wings to provide pace and trickery and force defences back. Of course this would involve an improvement in finishing from Walcott but would give the #10 much more room to operate. The modular player would be Arteta where more running could be provided by Diaby/Wilshere or more defensive steel by Coquelin/Frimpong.
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Post by: kicker on October 07, 2011, 06:12:58 PM
Wenger need tuh subscribe to this thread. 
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 08, 2011, 12:28:18 AM
Wenger need tuh subscribe to this thread. 
:rotfl:
Breds, when I went to the Swansea game I try to tell him but Security move real dread!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 10, 2011, 09:32:25 AM
Walcott’s not bad, everyone just expected more
by Michael Cox

http://www.lifesapitch.co.uk/opinions/walcotts-not-bad-everyone-just-expected-more/ (http://www.lifesapitch.co.uk/opinions/walcotts-not-bad-everyone-just-expected-more/)

When you constantly hear about how wonderful something is, and then you finally see it for yourself, it’s bound to be underwhelming.

Nowhere is this truer than in football, a pastime so enjoyable partly because of the surprise element, the unpredictability. Think back to your favourite ever goal, and it’s probably not the best goal you’ve ever seen, it’s about the context. You probably saw it live (at the game, or on television), and it was so great because you weren’t expecting it.

This isn’t my favourite goal, but here’s an example. I remember Federico Macheda’s debut goal for Manchester United, in a 3-2 win over Aston Villa in 2009. I was watching the game in a pub with a friend, and when Macheda came off the bench in a desperate attempt for United to get a goal, while 2-1 down in a crucial game in the Premier League run-in, we both agreed that we’d never heard of him before.

At 2-2, in the third minute of injury time, Macheda picked the ball up, turned his marker, and curled the ball into the net from the edge of the box. We certainly weren’t expecting that – indeed, considering we hadn’t heard of the player until 10 minutes beforehand, we couldn’t have remotely guessed it might happen. It was a brilliant goal, a brilliant moment, and when later meeting up with another friend – who, crucially, hadn’t seen the game – we described it in great detail.

When he finally saw the goal that night on Match Of The Day 2, he was a little disappointed. We’d gone on about the goal so much, that he was expecting the greatest goal he’d ever seen, when in reality it was a good, if not sensational, strike. His impression of the goal was entirely influenced by the hype he’d heard before he’d even seen it.

For that one goal, read the entire career of Theo Walcott. Unless you were one of the few who saw his early season appearances for Southampton in 2005/06, you probably hadn’t seen him play when he was, ludicrously, included in England’s 2006 World Cup squad by Sven-Goran Eriksson.

Remember hearing the news? Walcott? How good must he be to be in the World Cup squad despite never playing a Premier League game? Fairly sensational, you’d have thought. That night, a radio pundit reasoned that even if he didn’t play a single minute at the World Cup, it wouldn’t be a problem – he was going to be a superstar, and would be getting valuable experience of a major tournament by being in the squad. Like Ronaldo in 1994. Yes, Ronaldo. We’ve got the next Ronaldo on our hands – oh, assuming we don’t get to see him play. How can any player possibly live up to that?

Since 2006, many have been waiting for the next Ronaldo. We’re never going to get that from Walcott, but we do have a player that has proved rather useful for Arsenal over the past two seasons. In a team renowned for their tendency to pass without going anywhere, Walcott provides a direct option on the flank. He makes forward runs, stretches the play, and creates gaps for others to exploit. His relationship with Robin van Persie, Arsenal’s key player, is excellent – Walcott’s last seven assists have been for the Dutchman. Walcott has his faults – his decision-making is often poor, he remains inconsistent, and without his pace he’d be a fairly limited player… yet he fulfils a very useful role.

I wish I hadn’t told my friend so much about Macheda’s goal, and Walcott will wish he wasn’t thrust into the limelight so early. First impressions are important – and in football, an entire player’s career can be judged in relation to an unrealistic early expectation.
Michael Cox is the editor of Zonalmarking.net (http://Zonalmarking.net)
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Post by: GunnerStunner on October 14, 2011, 12:35:01 PM
here come sunderland, no slouch of a team and desperate for wins, we need to man up in this gam and take no effin prisoners! :pissedoff:
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 15, 2011, 09:22:50 PM
Here's hoping Jenks can step up. We need him to now. Hope Sagna was schooling him because nobody on the side has a better work ethic than Bac.
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Post by: Observer on October 16, 2011, 05:13:51 AM
Rosicky at Dortmund & CR was a pick up and run at opposition type of player. Once defenders were committed he would dish little passes for his team mates. In other words he was never a really creative passer of the ball (over distance). In truth he was never a goal scorer, so its not like he could contribute consistently in this department. His injuries looks to have weighed heavily on his mental strength.
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Post by: Bitter on October 16, 2011, 07:34:54 AM
Yorke on Sky Sports mangling Szczesny name.

Score is 1-1. Typical Arsenal game, play all over Sunderland, only score 1, then Sunderland come into the game. Szczesny get string up by a fantastic free kick. The back line, once again looks shaky.
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Post by: Ngozi on October 16, 2011, 07:52:51 AM
I guess my intrigue with Arsenal right now is to see how much better they can get ... I maintain my stance that right now until Wilshire comes back .. Rosicky is the creative element missing in the midfield in place of Ramsey! Walcott used to give us something on the right flank speed and width .. he's gone missing :( .. I liked our possession players are beginning to identify themselves.  Song- enforcer , Arteta - organiser , Rosicky - creativity.

Our forward line is the same and the fact that Walcott is struggling is killing us.
Defensively it's starting to come together .. Jenkinson actually makes the runs that walcott needs to make and he is actually a very decent crosser of the ball ... but he needs to not make those mistakes defensively .. he's shaky . Theoretically we can improve those areas by pushing Kos to rightback when Vermalean comes back and sitting Walcott and trying Ox ......
The possession is starting to return  ... come on boys lets finish this team off!

Oh yeah and Scez best goalie in England!!!
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Post by: Bitter on October 16, 2011, 07:58:57 AM
Rosicky in this 2nd half has been running at players. Arteta has been invisible though.
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Post by: Bitter on October 16, 2011, 08:10:59 AM
Van Persie to the rescue again.
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Post by: Cowen on October 16, 2011, 08:11:45 AM
Simply amazing RVP............. :applause:
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Post by: Bitter on October 16, 2011, 08:25:32 AM
I don't know where the ref get 5 minutes of extra time eh. But Arsenal squeak through a win.
Steve Bruce must have a moving company on speed dial...
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Post by: Observer on October 16, 2011, 08:26:58 AM
RVP master class  :applause:
Arshavin should be given props. Prozac work today  ;D
Song was very solid
Did Walcott even play today?
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Post by: Ngozi on October 16, 2011, 08:53:55 AM
RVP master class  :applause:
Arshavin should be given props. Prozac work today  ;D
Song was very solid
Did Walcott even play today?

RVP is too much!!! He strives on pressure!!
Arsharvin did really well I liked the hustle ... I actually thought subbing Gibbs was a good move by Arsene  Santos did well.
Walcott only plays well when we are on top ... in tough games he goes missing  basically he's a pussy.
He actually did better when he switched to the left and when we scored!
Also I've observed that he isnt running into the space anymore he's dropping off so he can get it to run at the man and Richardson was reading him all day and matching him for pace.

Song is the best def mid in the league!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 16, 2011, 10:02:51 AM
Thought Arshavin and Rosicky both looked very good today. Rosicky looked like it was 2006 again. As for RvP well what can I say other than he shoulda score 4. Song is a top class defensive midfielder (or is he a box to box midfielder now?). Mertesacker looks more aggressive than in the past few games and is fitting in nicely. Theo continues to frustrate. Gervinho as well. Jenks is actually a decent attacking fullback but didn't have much defensive work to do today. Koscielny had a shaky moment or 2 but walked back into the team without many problems. I think Gibbs got injured, but Santos looked better anyway. The man have some technique boy. I don't think the win was as close as the scoreline says. Sunderland were on top later in the 1st half but Arsenal wasted a LOT of chances earlier in the first half and in most of the second. I hope we're back in business now.
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Post by: Ngozi on October 16, 2011, 06:30:04 PM
Thought Arshavin and Rosicky both looked very good today. Rosicky looked like it was 2006 again. As for RvP well what can I say other than he shoulda score 4. Song is a top class defensive midfielder (or is he a box to box midfielder now?). Mertesacker looks more aggressive than in the past few games and is fitting in nicely. Theo continues to frustrate. Gervinho as well. Jenks is actually a decent attacking fullback but didn't have much defensive work to do today. Koscielny had a shaky moment or 2 but walked back into the team without many problems. I think Gibbs got injured, but Santos looked better anyway. The man have some technique boy. I don't think the win was as close as the scoreline says. Sunderland were on top later in the 1st half but Arsenal wasted a LOT of chances earlier in the first half and in most of the second. I hope we're back in business now.

I wouldnt say we back in bsuiness yet... but yuh could slowly see the team starting to gell and get it's identity lemme put it this way Manu not hitting we 8 again that team is def not this team!!!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 16, 2011, 08:12:55 PM
I wouldnt say we back in bsuiness yet... but yuh could slowly see the team starting to gell and get it's identity lemme put it this way Manu not hitting we 8 again that team is def not this team!!!

That team that get blow out from Man U was the weakest team I ever see Arsenal field and I been following them since Wrighty joined from Palace. We not in full flight yet is true. We need to not be so dependent on RvP for goals. The rest of men need to step up. Give Ox some defensive training and let him challenge Theo for his spot because the man frustrating the hell outta me. And where the hell is Park?!? He pullin a Tevez or what? Man scoring goals like it goin outta style for South Korea but no sight of him for the club.
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Post by: dwn on October 16, 2011, 10:19:28 PM
I wouldnt say we back in bsuiness yet... but yuh could slowly see the team starting to gell and get it's identity lemme put it this way Manu not hitting we 8 again that team is def not this team!!!

That team that get blow out from Man U was the weakest team I ever see Arsenal field and I been following them since Wrighty joined from Palace. We not in full flight yet is true. We need to not be so dependent on RvP for goals. The rest of men need to step up. Give Ox some defensive training and let him challenge Theo for his spot because the man frustrating the hell outta me. And where the hell is Park?!? He pullin a Tevez or what? Man scoring goals like it goin outta style for South Korea but no sight of him for the club.

Guys like Chamberlain and Park will get their chance in due time. I think Wenger just assimilating men slowly and trying to find a balance between new players and old. The starting eleven already had Jenkinson, Mertesacker, Arteta, and Gervinho. That's four new men. Add Santos and Benayoun in the second half that's a squad where half your players are new to playing together, and in most cases new to the premier league. Good news is the depth is there.
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Post by: kev on October 17, 2011, 02:07:19 AM
I thought Arsenal looked distinctly average short on confidence once Sunderland scored and who did Everton sent down instead of Arteta.  Long season by Arsenals standards.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 17, 2011, 09:03:12 AM
How many of Arsenal's attacks were broken up by Sunderland fouls yesterday? I was just reading an article about how it seemed a part of their defensive strategy since Arsenal's free kicks aren't that dangerous.
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Post by: Ngozi on October 17, 2011, 09:50:56 AM
In retrospect I think Arsenal's let down yesterday was distinctly our wing play of which Walcott was an absolute flop! Gervinho created  Van P's goal and his effort and persistence will see him coming into his own ... but Walcott jeeez. I think he might get rested vs Marseille.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 17, 2011, 08:00:51 PM
And cue the braying...

Arsène Wenger admits 'half the Arsenal dressing room wanted to leave'

• 'Players go to Manchester City because they pay much better'
• Wenger believes Arsenal can still finish in the top four

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/oct/18/arsene-wenger-arsenal-dressing-room
 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/oct/18/arsene-wenger-arsenal-dressing-room)

Arsène Wenger believes Arsenal are steadily recovering their poise after a desperate summer, which saw "half the dressing room wanting to leave". Despite a traumatic start to the campaign the Arsenal manager remains confident his team have the time and ability to reclaim a place in the Premier League's top four.

The 2-1 victory over Sunderland on Sunday restored Arsenal to the top half of the table, only six points off fourth-placed Newcastle, with a Champions League group game at Marseille to come on Wednesday. Wenger conceded the top two, Manchester City and Manchester United, are too far away to catch and suggested players have joined the current league leaders less for the chance to win trophies but rather more for the salaries City are prepared to offer.

Wenger, who lost Gaël Clichy and Samir Nasri to the Etihad Stadium this summer, was asked to reflect on comments made by his former midfielder Emmanuel Petit last week in which he suggested sales were "killing" the club.

"No, it's not that [players have to leave to win titles]," said Wenger on the French radio station RTL. "The problem isn't that. Frankly, if you compare what Manchester City have won in the past and what Arsenal have won, then you don't go to Manchester City to win titles. Players go to Manchester City because they pay much better than Arsenal.

"They are a force clearly, because they have exceptional financial clout, so it's not surprising what they've done. Look at Paris Saint-Germain. They have more money than anyone else in France and they're top of the league. There's always a financial logic behind who ends up being successful in any league. If Barcelona or Real Madrid paid three times less than Malaga, players would go to Malaga. That's always the case. It's as simple as that. So when a player has the choice between two clubs who have the same ambitions, if he can earn three times as much at one club, he'll go there. That's logical."

That last response was given in direct relation to a question posed on Nasri's defection, with the France international having joined Cesc Fábregas in leaving the Emirates over the close season. "It was a very difficult summer because half the dressing room wanted to leave," said Wenger. "You're preparing for a season where you don't know who's going to come in, the players who are staying are asking themselves what's going on at the club, you've got a pre-season tour of Asia. It was extraordinarily difficult. What saved us is that we're a club that are extremely solid and united. Other clubs would surely have gone to pieces in those circumstances.

"What people forget is that we lost three key players because we've also lost [Jack] Wilshere. Three who were important in our midfield. Nasri, Fábregas and Wilshere have all been lost and they were the basis of our midfield last season. We've had to reconstruct our midfield entirely because Wilshere won't be back until January. Still, we've disappointed this season so far, given what's expected of us, but I think we're on the up again. The problem is you can only climb the table slowly. We're not too far away in terms of points from fourth place. We're too far away [12 and 10 points] from the top two."

Arsenal are yet to secure Robin van Persie on new terms at the Emirates. The current captain is into the final two years of his current deal, prompting fears of a repeat of the Nasri scenario.

"For me being professional means that right up until the last day you are at a club you give 100% to that club," added Wenger. "Today, two days before we play at Marseille, I'm not asking myself whether Van Persie is going to extend his contract in 18 months' time. For me what is important is that he plays well for us on Wednesday. After that the next match. That's how I think. He's scored 28 goals in 34games, so they're exceptional statistics. He's got a contract for another 18 months and he's a man who is attached to our club. I'm not especially thinking about losing him."
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Post by: giggsy11 on October 18, 2011, 06:36:55 AM
When will Wenger actually invest in some decent wingers instead of trying tuh get blood from a stone in the form of Walcott and co?
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 18, 2011, 06:44:13 AM
When will Wenger actually invest in some decent wingers instead of trying tuh get blood from a stone in the form of Walcott and co?

Thought that was the point of Gervinho? Ox and Ryo as well, young as they are.
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Post by: giggsy11 on October 18, 2011, 06:50:02 AM
When will Wenger actually invest in some decent wingers instead of trying tuh get blood from a stone in the form of Walcott and co?

Thought that was the point of Gervinho? Ox and Ryo as well, young as they are.
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Oh,ho, I didnt realize Gervinho was a winger. I thought he was a forward.
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Post by: Ngozi on October 18, 2011, 07:02:12 AM
When will Wenger actually invest in some decent wingers instead of trying tuh get blood from a stone in the form of Walcott and co?
What would you do if you had the fastest man in the EPL? There's nothing out there as fast as Walcott he's infuriating though!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 18, 2011, 07:12:29 AM
When will Wenger actually invest in some decent wingers instead of trying tuh get blood from a stone in the form of Walcott and co?

Thought that was the point of Gervinho? Ox and Ryo as well, young as they are.

Oh,ho, I didnt realize Gervinho was a winger. I thought he was a forward.

Maybe a wide forward. He spent most of his time at Lille playing on the flanks. Not a pure winger but who on Arsenal they gonna cross to with the striker dropping into midfield?
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Post by: giggsy11 on October 18, 2011, 07:37:20 AM
When will Wenger actually invest in some decent wingers instead of trying tuh get blood from a stone in the form of Walcott and co?
What would you do if you had the fastest man in the EPL? There's nothing out there as fast as Walcott he's infuriating though!!

I guess Wenger and Capello were thinking something similar; stick him on the wing since he appears clueless in the role of striker. I really don't envy you with having to deal with Arshavin and Walcott. I can see Walcott becoming the next SWP.
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Post by: Observer on October 18, 2011, 07:57:27 AM
When will Wenger actually invest in some decent wingers instead of trying tuh get blood from a stone in the form of Walcott and co?
What would you do if you had the fastest man in the EPL? There's nothing out there as fast as Walcott he's infuriating though!!

Put him upfront as a striker, or give him an extended run wide left (where he looked his best) and if it does not work out, well its time to move on.
Wingers and wide players need to get service, but they also need to be very smart in the timing of their movement. Pires was not the quickest, but he could beat both ways, deliver a perfect pass & his finishing was deadly. Walcott has added very little to his game since age 16, that alone shows he lacks something.
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Post by: giggsy11 on October 18, 2011, 08:05:06 AM
When will Wenger actually invest in some decent wingers instead of trying tuh get blood from a stone in the form of Walcott and co?
What would you do if you had the fastest man in the EPL? There's nothing out there as fast as Walcott he's infuriating though!!

Put him upfront as a striker, or give him an extended run wide left (where he looked his best) and if it does not work out, well its time to move on.
Wingers and wide players need to get service, but they also need to be very smart in the timing of their movement. Pires was not the quickest, but he could beat both ways, deliver a perfect pass & his finishing was deadly. Walcott has added very little to his game since age 16, that alone shows he lacks something.


I don't think Wenger has any plans of playing him as a striker anytime soon.  I read an interview where Wenger stated that  'Walcott will continue to play on the wing because he doesn't feel he is ready to play as a striker'. He also said that 'Walcott still young and in due time he will eventually move to play as a striker'. Hmmm,  sounds like Walcott will be his pet/long term project. 
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Post by: Ngozi on October 18, 2011, 01:52:42 PM
When will Wenger actually invest in some decent wingers instead of trying tuh get blood from a stone in the form of Walcott and co?
What would you do if you had the fastest man in the EPL? There's nothing out there as fast as Walcott he's infuriating though!!

Put him upfront as a striker, or give him an extended run wide left (where he looked his best) and if it does not work out, well its time to move on.
Wingers and wide players need to get service, but they also need to be very smart in the timing of their movement. Pires was not the quickest, but he could beat both ways, deliver a perfect pass & his finishing was deadly. Walcott has added very little to his game since age 16, that alone shows he lacks something.

Observer I hear ya but I would never put him upfront now!  Imagine your team under pressure and you as a striker is that extra second of rest or relief and you pass to him and he either miscontrol or get body off the ball despite having all the speed in the world.
The only viable option until he wake up from this little spell he in is to play him on the left.
Van Persie as thin as he is plays a decent post up game and he sees the game on both sides Walcott is tunnel vision right through.
if he was smarter he would be able to anticipate and start his runs sooner and time them better.
lord I hope he doh end up like Shawn Wright Phillip ... hate players like that.
But I think they need to bench him!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on October 19, 2011, 09:12:47 AM
thoughts on todays game?
every game we play seems to be a big game
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: kicker on October 19, 2011, 09:16:47 AM
thoughts on todays game?
every game we play seems to be a big game

Arsenal's group is a tough one. 
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 19, 2011, 10:11:48 AM
thoughts on todays game?
every game we play seems to be a big game
Arsenal's group is a tough one. 
Very tough. Don't know much about Marseilles but I've seen Remy play for France and he's good. Apparently Wenger tried to sign Lucho Gonzalez this summer so they must rate his ability. Their keeper is considered the second best in France after Lloris. They have been struggling in the league (9 points and 1 win in 10 games) but beating Dortmund 3-0 is what I worried about. I'd be happy with a point, based on Arsenal's fragile confidence. Quality wise I don't see why we can't win today but it's not down to just quality.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 19, 2011, 10:52:08 AM
thoughts on todays game?
every game we play seems to be a big game
Every game IS a big game when you are trying to regain decent form after a run like Arsenal has suffered.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 19, 2011, 02:46:31 PM
ONE NIIIIIIIL TO THE ARSENAL!!!!!!!!

Are we still in a crisis?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on October 19, 2011, 06:07:14 PM
Posted on the CL thread but say wha!

All game Arsenal hitting crosses into the box with one man waiting for the cross. Nutten happening. No time left Marseille bunker down with 10, Djourou hit an early cross and guess what! Arsenal have three men attacking the box, goal to the Arsenal. Football funny in truth yes.
Hint hint ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on October 21, 2011, 10:13:15 AM
next big game STOKE

 and like wenger say, i want a draw in machester.

so side lookin like

cheezey
JD Luftwaffe LK Santos
Song Arteta Rosicky/AA
Walcott RVP Gervinho

Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 21, 2011, 10:17:03 AM
As Arsenal will have a centre back playing at right back I think it might be time to let Ox play on the right. Just a thought. Of course we have to worry about Stoke and their army of Orcs injuring more of the players.

They might play Ramsey at ACM as well. Who knows.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: mukumsplau on October 21, 2011, 10:38:57 AM
As Arsenal will have a centre back playing at right back I think it might be time to let Ox play on the right. Just a thought. Of course we have to worry about Stoke and their army of Orcs injuring more of the players.

They might play Ramsey at ACM as well. Who knows.

 :rotfl: :rotfl:

stoke really is a ruff side
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Jahyouth on October 23, 2011, 08:26:36 AM
COME ON THE ARSENAL!  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on October 23, 2011, 08:59:54 AM
Them fellas step up the possession getting better and better  ..... we are short of one inform attacker or winger but we almost there!!
I like the idea of interchanging Ramsey and Rosicky they will keep each other honest ... thought DJourou looked good as a wingback!
Gervinho is tears and last but not least  ROBIN VAN PERRSSSSIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE !!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 23, 2011, 08:47:20 PM
Them fellas step up the possession getting better and better  ..... we are short of one inform attacker or winger but we almost there!!
I like the idea of interchanging Ramsey and Rosicky they will keep each other honest ... thought DJourou looked good as a wingback!
Gervinho is tears and last but not least  ROBIN VAN PERRSSSSIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE !!!!!!!!!!!!

We still need another top striker. As good as RvP is, you really want to bank on him lasting all season? I real want Chamakh to succeed but he not cuttin it. What is going on with Park though?

Rick James man of the match. Hope he can continue this form.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 23, 2011, 09:04:11 PM
Damn good day to be a Gooner. Results in Manchester and West London just icing on the cake (although a Mancester tie would be the better result). Shame Torres coming back next week but at least Drogba and Bosingwa will be suspended.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on October 23, 2011, 09:42:44 PM
Them fellas step up the possession getting better and better  ..... we are short of one inform attacker or winger but we almost there!!
I like the idea of interchanging Ramsey and Rosicky they will keep each other honest ... thought DJourou looked good as a wingback!
Gervinho is tears and last but not least  ROBIN VAN PERRSSSSIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE !!!!!!!!!!!!

We still need another top striker. As good as RvP is, you really want to bank on him lasting all season? I real want Chamakh to succeed but he not cuttin it. What is going on with Park though?

Rick James man of the match. Hope he can continue this form.

I understand they looking at Rodellega. Think he's a good option.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 24, 2011, 11:08:52 AM
Them fellas step up the possession getting better and better  ..... we are short of one inform attacker or winger but we almost there!!
I like the idea of interchanging Ramsey and Rosicky they will keep each other honest ... thought DJourou looked good as a wingback!
Gervinho is tears and last but not least  ROBIN VAN PERRSSSSIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE !!!!!!!!!!!!

We still need another top striker. As good as RvP is, you really want to bank on him lasting all season? I real want Chamakh to succeed but he not cuttin it. What is going on with Park though?

Rick James man of the match. Hope he can continue this form.

I understand they looking at Rodellega. Think he's a good option.
Meh. Not really too impressed by Rodellega honestly. I feel we need a better option than that.
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Post by: fari on October 24, 2011, 02:38:20 PM
Them fellas step up the possession getting better and better  ..... we are short of one inform attacker or winger but we almost there!!
I like the idea of interchanging Ramsey and Rosicky they will keep each other honest ... thought DJourou looked good as a wingback!
Gervinho is tears and last but not least  ROBIN VAN PERRSSSSIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE !!!!!!!!!!!!

We still need another top striker. As good as RvP is, you really want to bank on him lasting all season? I real want Chamakh to succeed but he not cuttin it. What is going on with Park though?

Rick James man of the match. Hope he can continue this form.

I understand they looking at Rodellega. Think he's a good option.
Meh. Not really too impressed by Rodellega honestly. I feel we need a better option than that.

we need prem ready ballers.   i had always like rodallega, feel he will be one of them men where the step up in class will see him really shine.  the man know where the goal is and i could see him linking up nicely with them fellas up top.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on October 25, 2011, 05:45:57 AM
Them fellas step up the possession getting better and better  ..... we are short of one inform attacker or winger but we almost there!!
I like the idea of interchanging Ramsey and Rosicky they will keep each other honest ... thought DJourou looked good as a wingback!
Gervinho is tears and last but not least  ROBIN VAN PERRSSSSIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE !!!!!!!!!!!!

We still need another top striker. As good as RvP is, you really want to bank on him lasting all season? I real want Chamakh to succeed but he not cuttin it. What is going on with Park though?

Rick James man of the match. Hope he can continue this form.

I understand they looking at Rodellega. Think he's a good option.
Meh. Not really too impressed by Rodellega honestly. I feel we need a better option than that.

we need prem ready ballers.   i had always like rodallega, feel he will be one of them men where the step up in class will see him really shine.  the man know where the goal is and i could see him linking up nicely with them fellas up top.

Rodellega to me is kinda like when fergie was discussing Yorke ... given the right platform he will scale heights!!!
There is a youth man who plays for blackburn ... hollett or something?
Tears the youth is tears!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on October 25, 2011, 05:49:51 AM
I remember when we start off bad men come on here calling for Arsene head so when I saw this article I had to put it on here.
Had a guy here who claim he been supporting Arsenal since the 80's cyah remember he f**king name and yet big article Arsene must go .... i go look .. prick!!!

This one is about Walcott .. granted he playing shit but fans are seriously fickle!

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/909884-debate-about-walcotts-future-at-arsenal-highlights-the-danger-of-emotionalism


It is not even a year yet since Arsenal fans, in apparent agony, lamented the lack of safe hands in Arsenal goal. They had their usual victim in their cross-hairs, Arsene Wenger, whom they deemed unnecessarily stubborn and uncannily irrational in his reticence towards signing a clearly needed goalkeeper.

When, afterwards, Lukas Fabianski had a good run of excellent games, the din subsided, only to resurface when he got injured and the crisis appeared to return. Now everyone seems to agree that Wojciech Szczęsny  is an excellent keeper and may yet develop to become one of the world's best.

The funny thing is that during all that ballyhoo about goalkeeping crises at Arsenal and the need to buy one, the team already had Szczęsny. In the end, Wenger's reticence has been proven to be prudence. He, indeed, has saved Arsenal some valuable money.

Only a few games ago, Arsenal fans wanted Laurent Koscielny—whom they consider a good exemplar of a bad defender—shipped away from Arsenal. Now, after three good games, Koscielny is the darling of their defense—talk about changing with every gust of wind!

There is, of course, the recent talk about relegation at the end of the season, merely because Arsenal failed to recreate their accustomed good start to the season. For the fickle fans, four defeats equals relegation at the end of the season. They, of course, had their hatchets ready for Wenger's head yet again.

There was even talk of unfurling a banner about sacking Wenger, whom many fans considered the obstacle to Arsenal's future. Some even asked for Carlo Ancelotti!  But after a few run of good results, it appears the king may yet retain his crown.


Instant gratification seems to be the only language the current culture of football knows; the fickleness of Arsenal fans, as highlighted above, is only one example of this. Manchester City's spending spree or Manchester's United's debt, and while at it, Barcelona's and Real Maldrid's, represents another.

But what troubles me and prompts this article is the sentiment developing among some Arsenal fans about whether or not Arsenal should renew Theo Walcott's contract. They come out again as irrational as ever. Here is a sample of their opinion:

•Theo has gone backwards. It's funny how I never see articles about how bad Theo is, but I see hundreds of articles going on about how bad Arshavin is even though once again he had to come on and help improve the team on Sunday. Theo should not be given a new contract—so bad lately (emphases are mine).
•It's players like Theo Walcott we need to get rid off! Arshavin, Walcott and Chamakh need to move on from Arsenal...for Walcott, he needs to go he is just so poor, can't cross, can't shoot! He is just fast and when he does get in good position, his decision-making is shocking!
•Let him go, Arsene. He flatters to deceive. Sure, he's got pace, but it's no good when it's not linked to any vision, skill or capability. He's a headless chicken. Get as much money as you can and buy someone else—we won't miss him... (See here.)
The absurdity of this sentiment becomes apparent when one considers that just four games ago, the Emirates turned fearfully quiet at the thought of a Walcott injury. You see, Walcott had just had an excellent game in the victory against Bolton Wanderers, which included an assist for the second goal.

It was a continuation of a run of good form since the beginning of the season. He had even scored a goal in the defeat against Manchester United and was outstanding in the two games against Udinese, scoring the lone goal in the first game and another in the return leg to seal Arsenal's qualification for the UEFA Champions League.


After this great start to the season, and owing to the team's woeful beginning, there was then a genuine fear that Arsenal may not be able to retain him. Commentators urged Arsenal to find a way to make him sign a new contract or risk losing him in the same manner they had in Samir Nasri's case.

And now because of a few bad games, Walcott is trash. How irrational human beings can be. It is not without reason that Voltaire called them incurably stupid, lacking a shard of le bon sens.

A little common sense would prompt Arsenal fans to jump at the opportunity for extending Walcott's contract now that he want to talk about contract extension; they would encourage the management to sign him as quickly as possible to forestall the possibility of losing him to Manchester City (!) come summer.

For one thing is sure: Walcott will recover his form and when he does, Arsenal may not be able to keep him. This is therefore the right time to sign him when no team is interested!

But who says common sense is a liberal commodity?

If fans only employed their rational faculty in times of adversity they would know that knee-jerk reactions are seldom helpful. The same fans who wanted to slaughter Wenger for not signing a "world class" goalkeeper no longer think Arsenal have a goalkeeping problem.

The same ones who bayed for his blood over Koscielny, think Koscielny is now the Rock of Gibraltar.

Furthermore, the same ones, who now clamor for Oxlade-Chamberlain on the strength of a good couple of games, will be the first to throw him to the dogs when he passes through the inevitable patch of bad form.

Were they not the same ones that proclaimed his signing a waste of money when what Arsenal really needed was Chris Samba? (Not that Chris Samba would have been a bad idea, either.)


Recall, after all, that in the first part of last season, when the big stars were absent from Arsenal's lineup—Walcott (injured), Fabregas (injured), Van Persie (injured), it was the vilified duo of Marouane Chamakh and Andre Arshavin who stepped up and gave us an excellent first half of the season.

Ironically, it was when the stars returned that the season went downhill. My point? It is a not a pleasant sign when fans too quickly throw players under the bus during a patch of bad form.

Who says Chamakh may not recreate his former good form? Who says Walcott may not as yet become the next Thierry Henry? Why can we not support our players when they pass through the unavoidable bad time, stay together (team and fans) come rain or shine?

Besides, it is not the same fans that lament the dearth of senior players in the squad? Why are we too ready to discard those that show less than 100 percent form? Manchester United, after all, keep around the Michael Owens. Might it not be for reasons other than mere excellent form?

I would like to end by appealing to Arsenal fans to please keep faith with Walcott, to stop swinging about with every fickle wind. It is during the bad patches more than any that players need the support of the fans more.

How can we demand loyalty from them when we too quickly withhold ours?

Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on October 25, 2011, 06:15:03 AM
Rodellega in the right team may very well be an excellent striker. Personally I like Defoe,  he is a proven striker and everyone knows he is not happy at Spurs.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: kicker on October 25, 2011, 07:48:28 AM
Rodellega in the right team may very well be an excellent striker. Personally I like Defoe,  he is a proven striker and everyone knows he is not happy at Spurs.

Defoe have it hard as a small man in England - Dey like dey strikers to be more physically imposing over there. 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on October 25, 2011, 10:00:23 AM
Defoe normally plays off a big man he doesnt lead the line himself thats probably why I would give Rodellega the edge he can play the wing or leads the line and his movement is good .. although to be fair Defoe movement off the ball is excellent ... Observer hmm you may have some merit to that statement  our Attack is killing us because of limited movement .. defoe will run off the ball till he drop.
Two very viable options.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 25, 2011, 11:12:43 AM
Rodellega in the right team may very well be an excellent striker. Personally I like Defoe,  he is a proven striker and everyone knows he is not happy at Spurs.

I doh know if I could handle a Spurs man strikin for we nuh? Arsene not payin dat transfer fee anyway.

Maybe I harsh on Rodellega, I dunno. I just doh think he is the kind of man to create something out of nothing. That is the kind of striker Arsenal need in my opinion.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: kicker on October 25, 2011, 11:55:32 AM
Rodallega have a real nice volley - solider could real pull the ball out of the air jed!

He and Forlan are two of the cleanest volleyers I could think of, off the bat. 

Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 25, 2011, 01:00:36 PM
Oh gawm, Squillaci playing.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on October 25, 2011, 01:15:42 PM
Rodallega have a real nice volley - solider could real pull the ball out of the air jed!

He and Forlan are two of the cleanest volleyers I could think of, off the bat. 


If yuh wanna go old school  Carlo Ancellotti could volley a ball like it do him something and meh boy Roberto Baggio!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: kicker on October 25, 2011, 01:19:24 PM
Rodallega have a real nice volley - solider could real pull the ball out of the air jed!

He and Forlan are two of the cleanest volleyers I could think of, off the bat. 


If yuh wanna go old school  Carlo Ancellotti could volley a ball like it do him something and meh boy Roberto Baggio!

haha yeah I was more thinking current...

Yeah Baggio used tuh make dem volleys dip wicked wicked...Gullit had some of the cleanest volley technique I could remember
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on October 25, 2011, 01:37:01 PM
The best on the volley for me was Hugo Sanchez & Marco Van Basten. With Hugo scoring the most volleys I see in my life. Don't matter where that ball come, any height, he could volley it.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on October 25, 2011, 02:21:22 PM
Yeah I could never forget Marco volley vs Russia in the european champinship final fyah!!
I saw Sanchez score a scorpion so de man taking volleys to another level!
If I had to go recent I'd go with this italian boy Gasperini from Inter Milan and this freak from AC Milan Zlatan Ibra ... fellas have no right to be volleying like that!
In fact I think the italians have pretty good volleying technique from a long time.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: dwn on October 25, 2011, 02:36:31 PM
I remember when we start off bad men come on here calling for Arsene head so when I saw this article I had to put it on here.
Had a guy here who claim he been supporting Arsenal since the 80's cyah remember he f**king name and yet big article Arsene must go .... i go look .. prick!!!

This one is about Walcott .. granted he playing shit but fans are seriously fickle!

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/909884-debate-about-walcotts-future-at-arsenal-highlights-the-danger-of-emotionalism

Not that some fans aren't fickle, but articles like that talk as if fans share one collective voice. The Arsenal fans who are saying we should let Walcott go aren't necessarily the same ones who jump on his bandwagon after a few performances. More than likely, it's two separate groups of people - the ones who don't like Walcott and the ones who do.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 25, 2011, 02:43:35 PM
Park starts his goalscoring for The Arsenal.

http://cfile209.uf.daum.net/image/13498B3F4EA715B41FDB57 (http://cfile209.uf.daum.net/image/13498B3F4EA715B41FDB57)

‎4 wins in a row! Are we still in crisis?

Remember after the Sp*rs game Song said we need to win the next 5. Chelsea is #5...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 25, 2011, 02:48:50 PM
Arshavin goal:

http://cfile207.uf.daum.net/image/1971FD374EA714620B9855 (http://cfile207.uf.daum.net/image/1971FD374EA714620B9855)

Playing at #10 he gets a goal and an assist. Do it Arsene!!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: NYtriniwhiteboy.. on October 25, 2011, 03:53:55 PM
2 good goals by arsenal...but bolton cudda poison them.
First time in the Emirates...Stadium impressive. Atmosphere kinda lacking but it was carling cup so not too surprised
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on October 25, 2011, 09:32:19 PM
'The more experienced players took charge'
In the first half I believe we had the chances. In the second half we were caught straight away losing the ball in our own half and they scored. From then on of course they tested us. The more experienced players then took charge of the game, especially Arshavin, Park and Benayoun - they made the difference.

I have to congratulate the team because we had two young full-backs who are usually central players. In midfield we were very young and we have shown good spirit against a good Bolton side.

on tiredness...
In the last 20 minutes our legs had gone a little bit and we were hanging on with a bit of luck. Many players have not played at that level and that intensity so it was vital for us tonight not to go into extra time.

on Vermaelen's return…
He did very well. He had to come off for a minor calf problem but I hope it's not too bad. He will be a bit short for Saturday, I don't know yet what I will do. We have to test him tomorrow, but it doesn't look too bad.

He has been out for a long time, he had only one training session yesterday with the team. I didn't really expect a game of that intensity, it was a tough one for a centre-back. They put us under pressure in the second half and the intensity of the game was very high.

We don't think it is a calf strain, it is just tight calves. He has not played a proper game for two months. He wanted to come off. In fairness I did not want to take him off because I thought it was too stupid now with four minutes to go to concede a goal. He was adamant he couldn't go on so I hope it's not too bad.

on a run of form…
We want to just keep going and I think it is down to us to change the mind of people. We have a good spirit, a good attitude and there is still some room for improvement of course. We are getting better and better.

on Arshavin's performance…
Andrey is a player who of course takes a bit gamble on nearly every ball he plays. Sometimes he loses balls he shouldn't lose but when you look at the end of the game he has always had a big impact. Tonight he scored and made an assist. He had a good performance tonight.

on his 'no 10' credentials...
You cannot play with two wingers and two offensive players like that, you are too short in midfield. He is normally a wide player but he wants to grow in a role behind the striker. Of course, he can do that. He plays where you want him to play but if you ask him honestly he will always tell you that he likes to play in there.

on Park's display…
For me I am very pleased with his performance. He had a very, very good game. He has shown intelligence in his link play with others. The quality of his movement was exceptional and his finishing is absolutely fantastic. He has shown tonight that he is a very, very good player. He is ready to play in league games, yes.

Compared to the player who played in the first match [against Shrewsbury] where he was a bit inhibited, tonight I felt he played with freedom and has showed what a good player he is.

on Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain…
He needs what I told you: the urgency that is used to dominate the games. Now he is at a level where every single ball needs 100 per cent concentration and fight, and that is what he will learn in these games.

on Chelsea…
We had 11 changes from Sunday's game so of course we will have many changes for Saturday. It's a top-level game, that means we need to turn up with a top-level performance. I am confident we can get something out of the game. You can fly but you land quickly in our sport. We of course want to keep improving. Don't worry, we will go there with spirit and give them a fight.

on Fabianski…
Lukasz is a world-class goalkeeper. I have always said that and I am convinced that we are very lucky here to have fantastic goalkeepers - Mannone as well is very good. The problem is when you are a goalkeeper only one can play.

on Ryo's performance…
Ryo is a guy with heart. I don't think he played long enough and we were in a position where we had to defend more than we could attack. But you could see straight away that his heart, his determination and his pace in the game are big assets.

He is like Oxlade-Chamberlain - they have to get used to the intensity of these games. When will he be ready? He just had one day training yesterday with the group because he was injured. He worked a lot with the fitness coach. I believe he will be ready at Christmas.

www.arsenal.com
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 25, 2011, 10:16:38 PM
A very good interview that answers a lot of the questions fans are asking.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 28, 2011, 08:50:22 AM
Are Torres and Bosingwa eligible for tomorrow's game? I thought so but I reading conflicting stories.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Daft Trini on October 29, 2011, 06:38:45 AM
Arsenal is trying to defeat themselves..
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 29, 2011, 06:44:07 AM
Yep. A very winnable game. Chelsea ent playing no big setta ball. Gunners defence playing de a$$. Only Koscielny looking good out there.
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Post by: morvant on October 29, 2011, 06:45:02 AM
santos is the slowest thing on this field. pulling meh scrotes from arouca to the bridge.......
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Post by: Daft Trini on October 29, 2011, 06:58:50 AM
Walcott for goal of the season  :devil:
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Post by: giggsy11 on October 29, 2011, 07:01:12 AM
santos is the slowest thing on this field. pulling meh scrotes from arouca to the bridge.......

Nah dat would be #4 for Arsenal! Dat fella is big plank!
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Post by: giggsy11 on October 29, 2011, 07:02:23 AM
Common Arsenal!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 29, 2011, 07:16:49 AM
Yeah Per real purge on dem 2 goals. Rambo destroying though. Arsenal should be murdering them. I hope the poor finishing isn't going to cost us.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 29, 2011, 07:27:32 AM
Oh noooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ROCKIN ROBIN!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: giggsy11 on October 29, 2011, 07:31:54 AM
Yeah Per real purge on dem 2 goals. Rambo destroying though. Arsenal should be murdering them. I hope the poor finishing isn't going to cost us.

Just give the ball to Van Persie!
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Post by: Bakes on October 29, 2011, 07:36:42 AM
Wow... that hat trick goal, pure class.
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Post by: giggsy11 on October 29, 2011, 07:36:52 AM
 :applause: :applause: :applause:Well done Arsenal! Van Persie is more valuable to Arsenal than Cesc was to them! Great striker and footballer! 
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 29, 2011, 07:38:09 AM
So are we still in crisis?
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Post by: fari on October 29, 2011, 07:39:47 AM
RAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!       5 in a row just as song said we had to do    keep the faith gooners!!!!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: fari on October 29, 2011, 07:40:24 AM
oh yeah....we have a trini gunners group on fb also...check it out
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Post by: Daft Trini on October 29, 2011, 07:47:24 AM
good game  :beermug:

should have been 10 though  ;D
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Post by: Touches on October 29, 2011, 07:48:02 AM
We cannot lose VP...we must resign that man.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 29, 2011, 07:48:44 AM
oh yeah....we have a trini gunners group on fb also...check it out

Oh yeah Fari? Which one are you? I'm the one asking if we still in crisis.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 29, 2011, 07:49:58 AM
A great striker, but anyone who calls Arsenal a 1 man team is a damn fool. Not that that will stop them.

RVP cheap at double the salary Wenger. Sign him up!
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Post by: Daft Trini on October 29, 2011, 07:59:01 AM
What about Aaron Ramsay? He played a man of the match role today...
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Post by: Touches on October 29, 2011, 07:59:50 AM
Every man pull dey weight today.

Ramsey improving.
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Post by: Bitter on October 29, 2011, 08:01:12 AM
Chelsea was missing the Arsenal-killer: Drogba.
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Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on October 29, 2011, 08:01:50 AM
well played.. deserved for sure

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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 29, 2011, 08:10:12 AM
What about Aaron Ramsay? He played a man of the match role today...

I was going to say Ramsey for man of the match, then jus so RVP went and drop 3 on dem.
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Post by: Peong on October 29, 2011, 08:54:28 AM
 :applause:  Very well done.  What happen to Chelsea's defense though?
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 29, 2011, 08:55:27 AM
Chelsea obviously still not used to playing a high offside line.
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Post by: DeSoWa on October 29, 2011, 01:02:35 PM
Paging SOBRIQUET, come out from wherever you are hiding! The boys are looking for you! :P  :rotfl:

Big Up!
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Post by: dumpalewie on October 29, 2011, 06:17:19 PM
Paging SOBRIQUET, come out from wherever you are hiding! The boys are looking for you! :P  :rotfl:

Big Up!
He looking for a new team now :wavetowel: :wavetowel:
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Post by: dumpalewie on October 29, 2011, 06:20:12 PM
oh yeah....we have a trini gunners group on fb also...check it out
What is the group name?
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Post by: jason23 on October 29, 2011, 10:00:31 PM
http://themondaysupplement.co.uk/headline/arsenal-reveal-secret-weapon-in-champions-league-quest/
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 30, 2011, 02:52:08 AM
Chelsea was missing the Arsenal-killer: Drogba.

Djourou STILL have Drogba in he back pocket from the game in December!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 30, 2011, 02:52:45 AM
oh yeah....we have a trini gunners group on fb also...check it out
What is the group name?

Trini Gunners
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Post by: Ngozi on October 30, 2011, 06:24:43 AM
Anyway fellas just wanted to give my 15 cents on what happened yesterday and why I am excited about this team.
Namely the upside for this team, this team has not reached it potential yet this season we haven't played our best team yet. We scored 5 but conceded 3 defensively the first half was crap but the second half showed a marked improvement.

Vermalean is back and despite the injuries he in my opinion may be the best sweeper in the league and the fact that our defense is improving and 'Kos' is playing out of his mind means we can slowly nurse him back.  Ultimately, the pairing that Arsene always wanted in the middle was Kos and Vermalean and right now that is a frightening prospect.

Walcott seems to be regaining his confidence a bit, but a one off game won't sell me on the youth but dammit he is fast! I saw him outrun Ashley Cole ... and ashley cole is not slow at all ... when he contributes like he did today we're a totally different animal.... long may it continue he's even working back defensively.

Aaron Ramsey did ok today and he seems to be finding form and that is def not bad plus with Rosicky snapping at his heels he cant f**k around  (Personally with Rosicky's form I'd start him or at least rotate them in every other game). He did miss some passes today for RVP that I know Cesc would have nailed but its asking too much to expect that of him Cesc is one of the best in the world to accomodate him barca has even moved Iniesta to the wing ... go figure.

Song and Arteta continues to do the things needed in the middle they give a good hustle keeps the play clicking but above all gives the defense an outlet to pass too. Song tends to pick up frequent yellows though but he has coquelin and Frimpong to come in .. that aint bad .. aint bad at all

Djourou is doing ok in the wing back position it's a chance for him to get playing time and regain his confidence while not having the responsibility of being the sweeper .. plus the youth Jenkinson is back..

Santos is doing well while Gibbs recovers from yet another injury.
In my opinion Gibbs is better .. he's fitter, faster and he has a nice delivery but in terms of playing and understanding the game Santos is a brazilian ... so I like the competition created for that position

I know Ive been singing everyones praises and not Per personally I feel Verminator and Kos better than him but I cant deny that his presence has changed this defence around .. he's calm he's there when others slip up and although he gets beat he's never really fully beaten because he is so long ... I'd like to see him up against man City because they have the smaller quicker explosive types his positioning and anticipation will be tested .... but he was a good buy and he's a good presence for the team .. obviously an easy going guy.

Ox .... Arsene said something about him that his concentration is a bit off and he doesnt work back defensively and I see where he is coming from exposure in the champions league will help him mature a bit.

Park has scored and looks a good prospect confidence is a helluva a thing it would be nice if he can be come the reliable goalpoacher we need to back up RVP.

Sagna still to come back, as well as Wilshire and Gibbs and the tall man in the middle.

In Sces we finally have a reliable goalkeeper ... nuff said.


Gervinho looks a good replacement for Nasri truth be told Nasri doesnt really look happy at Man City guess maybe because he isnt the man there... that be Da silva .. but oh well

RVP .... simply wow theres so many good things about this guy he plays a post up game but drops deep so its dificult to mark him ...... he's fit for the first time in years fully fit and scoring but above all .... he is leading this team and embracing the captaincy ... he likes it he thrives on it .. last year Cesc was captain but he didnt embrace it his mind was elsewhere as we all know and the added pressure affected his game he looked unhappy ... I'm impressed with him big time.
At the end of the match RVP went over to applaud the spectators and gave a fan his jersey and the guy went crazy lol excellent stuff ... this team is coming together and they havent peaked theyre building up to it which is how it should be done .. I believe Man United has already peaked and Man City hasnt been tested by a team that doesnt fear them .. enter Arsenal!

Last but not least  "In Arsene we believe"  people wanted to fire him  ... he brought in Ryo, Ox, Arteta, Per , Santos, Gervinho, Joel (costa rican), Park, jenkinson ... people criticize him they dis him .. his team lost 8-2 with his weakest team because of injuries and suspensions (and we didnt have our deadine transfer or starters) they say he dead .. and he never stop believing he keep giving his players chances and having faith him in them AND now he leading this team .. to the promise land only managers of his calibre like fergie and mourinho could have done that with this team after suffering the loss of Cesc and nasri.
He balances out the injuries to gibbs via Santos, elevates the level of Kos via Per, keeps Theo guessing yet never losing faith with him with Ox on his tail, and utilizes Arshavin as a super sub and playing him in the hole in the carling cup he's realised how to get the best out of him  ....... We're leading our champions league group after having to qualify via a playoff against third place udinese who we beat in both legs and we're moving ... ladies and gents welcome to Coaching 101!
In Arsene we believe!

Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bakes on October 30, 2011, 09:04:53 AM
Of of the enduring qualities of Van Persie is that he's always (as long as I've been watching him at least), been a quality finisher.  Of course the big question has always been injuries.  If he could stay healthy...
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Post by: giggsy11 on October 30, 2011, 01:19:21 PM
Anyway fellas just wanted to give my 15 cents on what happened yesterday and why I am excited about this team.
Namely the upside for this team, this team has not reached it potential yet this season we haven't played our best team yet. We scored 5 but conceded 3 defensively the first half was crap but the second half showed a marked improvement.

Vermalean is back and despite the injuries he in my opinion may be the best sweeper in the league and the fact that our defense is improving and 'Kos' is playing out of his mind means we can slowly nurse him back.  Ultimately, the pairing that Arsene always wanted in the middle was Kos and Vermalean and right now that is a frightening prospect.

Walcott seems to be regaining his confidence a bit, but a one off game won't sell me on the youth but dammit he is fast! I saw him outrun Ashley Cole ... and ashley cole is not slow at all ... when he contributes like he did today we're a totally different animal.... long may it continue he's even working back defensively.

Aaron Ramsey did ok today and he seems to be finding form and that is def not bad plus with Rosicky snapping at his heels he cant f**k around  (Personally with Rosicky's form I'd start him or at least rotate them in every other game). He did miss some passes today for RVP that I know Cesc would have nailed but its asking too much to expect that of him Cesc is one of the best in the world to accomodate him barca has even moved Iniesta to the wing ... go figure.

Song and Arteta continues to do the things needed in the middle they give a good hustle keeps the play clicking but above all gives the defense an outlet to pass too. Song tends to pick up frequent yellows though but he has coquelin and Frimpong to come in .. that aint bad .. aint bad at all

Djourou is doing ok in the wing back position it's a chance for him to get playing time and regain his confidence while not having the responsibility of being the sweeper .. plus the youth Jenkinson is back..

Santos is doing well while Gibbs recovers from yet another injury.
In my opinion Gibbs is better .. he's fitter, faster and he has a nice delivery but in terms of playing and understanding the game Santos is a brazilian ... so I like the competition created for that position

I know Ive been singing everyones praises and not Per personally I feel Verminator and Kos better than him but I cant deny that his presence has changed this defence around .. he's calm he's there when others slip up and although he gets beat he's never really fully beaten because he is so long ... I'd like to see him up against man City because they have the smaller quicker explosive types his positioning and anticipation will be tested .... but he was a good buy and he's a good presence for the team .. obviously an easy going guy.

Ox .... Arsene said something about him that his concentration is a bit off and he doesnt work back defensively and I see where he is coming from exposure in the champions league will help him mature a bit.

Park has scored and looks a good prospect confidence is a helluva a thing it would be nice if he can be come the reliable goalpoacher we need to back up RVP.

Sagna still to come back, as well as Wilshire and Gibbs and the tall man in the middle.

In Sces we finally have a reliable goalkeeper ... nuff said.


Gervinho looks a good replacement for Nasri truth be told Nasri doesnt really look happy at Man City guess maybe because he isnt the man there... that be Da silva .. but oh well

RVP .... simply wow theres so many good things about this guy he plays a post up game but drops deep so its dificult to mark him ...... he's fit for the first time in years fully fit and scoring but above all .... he is leading this team and embracing the captaincy ... he likes it he thrives on it .. last year Cesc was captain but he didnt embrace it his mind was elsewhere as we all know and the added pressure affected his game he looked unhappy ... I'm impressed with him big time.
At the end of the match RVP went over to applaud the spectators and gave a fan his jersey and the guy went crazy lol excellent stuff ... this team is coming together and they havent peaked theyre building up to it which is how it should be done .. I believe Man United has already peaked and Man City hasnt been tested by a team that doesnt fear them .. enter Arsenal!

Last but not least  "In Arsene we believe"  people wanted to fire him  ... he brought in Ryo, Ox, Arteta, Per , Santos, Gervinho, Joel (costa rican), Park, jenkinson ... people criticize him they dis him .. his team lost 8-2 with his weakest team because of injuries and suspensions (and we didnt have our deadine transfer or starters) they say he dead .. and he never stop believing he keep giving his players chances and having faith him in them AND now he leading this team .. to the promise land only managers of his calibre like fergie and mourinho could have done that with this team after suffering the loss of Cesc and nasri.
He balances out the injuries to gibbs via Santos, elevates the level of Kos via Per, keeps Theo guessing yet never losing faith with him with Ox on his tail, and utilizes Arshavin as a super sub and playing him in the hole in the carling cup he's realised how to get the best out of him  ....... We're leading our champions league group after having to qualify via a playoff against third place udinese who we beat in both legs and we're moving ... ladies and gents welcome to Coaching 101!
In Arsene we believe!



Nice win, but United has not peeked and Spurs are the the best team in London.
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Post by: Mango Chow! on October 30, 2011, 04:39:35 PM
Congrats, allyuh.....allyuh beat we on we own damned grounds and beat we bad, too.......but allyuh is still a shyte side and arsene9 still need to go!  ;D
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 30, 2011, 10:25:11 PM
Congrats, allyuh.....allyuh beat we on we own damned grounds and beat we bad, too.......but allyuh is still a shyte side and arsene9 still need to go!  ;D

Haha. Daz alright Chow. We go stick wit we shyte side and bad coach.
 :beermug:
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Post by: Ngozi on October 31, 2011, 11:02:08 AM
Congrats, allyuh.....allyuh beat we on we own damned grounds and beat we bad, too.......but allyuh is still a shyte side and arsene9 still need to go!  ;D

Haha. Daz alright Chow. We go stick wit we shyte side and bad coach.
 :beermug:

here here .. I second dat  ;D
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Post by: GunnerStunner on October 31, 2011, 11:03:44 AM
well played.. deserved for sure


yuh only saying that cus its chelski wa mash up lol :rotfl: :beermug:
seriously thanks
it was an awesome game, chelski have no excuses they played well and lost on the day to a better team that wanted it more than they did.
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Post by: GunnerStunner on October 31, 2011, 11:04:20 AM
Congrats, allyuh.....allyuh beat we on we own damned grounds and beat we bad, too.......but allyuh is still a shyte side and arsene9 still need to go!  ;D

Haha. Daz alright Chow. We go stick wit we shyte side and bad coach.
 :beermug:

here here .. I second dat  ;D
was the cosign of a cosign?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: GunnerStunner on October 31, 2011, 11:07:47 AM
Anyway fellas just wanted to give my 15 cents on what happened yesterday and why I am excited about this team.
Namely the upside for this team, this team has not reached it potential yet this season we haven't played our best team yet. We scored 5 but conceded 3 defensively the first half was crap but the second half showed a marked improvement.

Vermalean is back and despite the injuries he in my opinion may be the best sweeper in the league and the fact that our defense is improving and 'Kos' is playing out of his mind means we can slowly nurse him back.  Ultimately, the pairing that Arsene always wanted in the middle was Kos and Vermalean and right now that is a frightening prospect.

Walcott seems to be regaining his confidence a bit, but a one off game won't sell me on the youth but dammit he is fast! I saw him outrun Ashley Cole ... and ashley cole is not slow at all ... when he contributes like he did today we're a totally different animal.... long may it continue he's even working back defensively.

Aaron Ramsey did ok today and he seems to be finding form and that is def not bad plus with Rosicky snapping at his heels he cant f**k around  (Personally with Rosicky's form I'd start him or at least rotate them in every other game). He did miss some passes today for RVP that I know Cesc would have nailed but its asking too much to expect that of him Cesc is one of the best in the world to accomodate him barca has even moved Iniesta to the wing ... go figure.

Song and Arteta continues to do the things needed in the middle they give a good hustle keeps the play clicking but above all gives the defense an outlet to pass too. Song tends to pick up frequent yellows though but he has coquelin and Frimpong to come in .. that aint bad .. aint bad at all

Djourou is doing ok in the wing back position it's a chance for him to get playing time and regain his confidence while not having the responsibility of being the sweeper .. plus the youth Jenkinson is back..

Santos is doing well while Gibbs recovers from yet another injury.
In my opinion Gibbs is better .. he's fitter, faster and he has a nice delivery but in terms of playing and understanding the game Santos is a brazilian ... so I like the competition created for that position

I know Ive been singing everyones praises and not Per personally I feel Verminator and Kos better than him but I cant deny that his presence has changed this defence around .. he's calm he's there when others slip up and although he gets beat he's never really fully beaten because he is so long ... I'd like to see him up against man City because they have the smaller quicker explosive types his positioning and anticipation will be tested .... but he was a good buy and he's a good presence for the team .. obviously an easy going guy.

Ox .... Arsene said something about him that his concentration is a bit off and he doesnt work back defensively and I see where he is coming from exposure in the champions league will help him mature a bit.

Park has scored and looks a good prospect confidence is a helluva a thing it would be nice if he can be come the reliable goalpoacher we need to back up RVP.

Sagna still to come back, as well as Wilshire and Gibbs and the tall man in the middle.

In Sces we finally have a reliable goalkeeper ... nuff said.


Gervinho looks a good replacement for Nasri truth be told Nasri doesnt really look happy at Man City guess maybe because he isnt the man there... that be Da silva .. but oh well

RVP .... simply wow theres so many good things about this guy he plays a post up game but drops deep so its dificult to mark him ...... he's fit for the first time in years fully fit and scoring but above all .... he is leading this team and embracing the captaincy ... he likes it he thrives on it .. last year Cesc was captain but he didnt embrace it his mind was elsewhere as we all know and the added pressure affected his game he looked unhappy ... I'm impressed with him big time.
At the end of the match RVP went over to applaud the spectators and gave a fan his jersey and the guy went crazy lol excellent stuff ... this team is coming together and they havent peaked theyre building up to it which is how it should be done .. I believe Man United has already peaked and Man City hasnt been tested by a team that doesnt fear them .. enter Arsenal!

Last but not least  "In Arsene we believe"  people wanted to fire him  ... he brought in Ryo, Ox, Arteta, Per , Santos, Gervinho, Joel (costa rican), Park, jenkinson ... people criticize him they dis him .. his team lost 8-2 with his weakest team because of injuries and suspensions (and we didnt have our deadine transfer or starters) they say he dead .. and he never stop believing he keep giving his players chances and having faith him in them AND now he leading this team .. to the promise land only managers of his calibre like fergie and mourinho could have done that with this team after suffering the loss of Cesc and nasri.
He balances out the injuries to gibbs via Santos, elevates the level of Kos via Per, keeps Theo guessing yet never losing faith with him with Ox on his tail, and utilizes Arshavin as a super sub and playing him in the hole in the carling cup he's realised how to get the best out of him  ....... We're leading our champions league group after having to qualify via a playoff against third place udinese who we beat in both legs and we're moving ... ladies and gents welcome to Coaching 101!
In Arsene we believe!

Nice win, but United has not peeked and Spurs are the the best team in London.

you better hope that united do peak i seriously feel is manu arsenal chelski spurs n pool fighting it out for 2nd 3rd n 4th this year i not seeing city dip they keep building and keep scoring, scary stuff. they doing like chelski, buy buy yuh first 2 years win a lil cup to taste victory, buy some more, have a big hungry squad then set them loose like a firework in a bathroom
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Post by: GunnerStunner on October 31, 2011, 11:12:58 AM
if arsenal is a one man team then tell me this.

Kos was boss per growth slipped a lil
santos was a new man second half
song consitent
ramsey played he socks off
gervinho tracking back worked his socks off too
theo like the man take the pill in that movie limitless
cheezey was himself big loud cocky and made some fine free kick saves
rosicky came on and wante dpiece of the action
i havent seen this team play this hungry since the invincibles
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on November 01, 2011, 11:34:38 AM
In 2 minds about dis game today. Stick with the same squad from Saturday? Or bench RVP and some others? If they start with the best squad they could tie up qualification and rest them later, or if they bench them, they might have to bring them in to bring it home, but have the bigger players rested for the more important climb up the league table. What allyuh think?
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Post by: Ngozi on November 02, 2011, 10:11:11 AM
Thought the draw against marseille was a fair result and beneficial. Reminds the guys not to get too carried away plus it was a clean sheet aka Verminator , gave RVP a rest and Kos, Park a debut.
Confirmed that Santos is an unfit defensive liability ... Walcott seems to be getting out of the funk he has been in.
And I would still start Rosicky in front of Ramsey he's simply more creative and sharper and better!!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on November 02, 2011, 11:34:52 AM
Thought the draw against marseille was a fair result and beneficial. Reminds the guys not to get too carried away plus it was a clean sheet aka Verminator , gave RVP a rest and Kos, Park a debut.
Confirmed that Santos is an unfit defensive liability ... Walcott seems to be getting out of the funk he has been in.
And I would still start Rosicky in front of Ramsey he's simply more creative and sharper and better!!

Maybe men was just bun from the Chelsea game. That's the impression I getting. Didn't actually see the game though. Watching it on Player tonight.
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Post by: Ngozi on November 02, 2011, 01:51:51 PM
Think people taking away from the quality of the opposition .. Marseille isnt bad and theyre tough to break down defensively. In 4 champions league games they've conceded 1 goal ! .....  to Arsenal!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on November 02, 2011, 09:50:21 PM
Think people taking away from the quality of the opposition .. Marseille isnt bad and theyre tough to break down defensively. In 4 champions league games they've conceded 1 goal ! .....  to Arsenal!

You right. I didn't realise that. I don't think anyone's too upset about the result though. The team targeted 4 points from OM and they got them.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on November 06, 2011, 10:34:24 PM
Whatever happened to Gary Cahill's best friend who was waiting for us to get licks in Stamford Bridge because I dared to compare Mertesacker favorably with Cahill?
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Post by: dwn on November 08, 2011, 11:28:31 AM
Thought the draw against marseille was a fair result and beneficial. Reminds the guys not to get too carried away plus it was a clean sheet aka Verminator , gave RVP a rest and Kos, Park a debut.
Confirmed that Santos is an unfit defensive liability ... Walcott seems to be getting out of the funk he has been in.
And I would still start Rosicky in front of Ramsey he's simply more creative and sharper and better!!

I am not sure how I feel about the Ramsey-Rosicky thing. I think Rosicky has so much more technical ability. But Ramsey has so much more end product.
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Post by: GunnerStunner on November 09, 2011, 11:22:23 AM
I HATE INTERNATIONAL WEEK!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on November 10, 2011, 09:42:49 AM
I HATE INTERNATIONAL WEEK!
Lol! You aren't the only one.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: saint27 on November 10, 2011, 10:04:35 AM
Haha expect around three injuries to your squad one always being van persie
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Post by: Ngozi on November 17, 2011, 09:39:04 PM
A few screamers from 'The Ox'  check the left footed strike  !!

http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/football/881814-alex-oxlade-chamberlain-rifles-four-back-to-back-screamers-in-england-u21-training
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on November 19, 2011, 07:39:11 AM
This is by far the most entertaining team in the EPL.
Never a dull moment.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bakes on November 19, 2011, 08:04:20 AM
What a year for Van Persie... brace so far in the 60'
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Peong on November 19, 2011, 08:18:00 AM
V Persie has 10 goals in the last 5.  Absolute beast.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on November 19, 2011, 08:54:46 AM
V Persie has 10 goals in the last 5.  Absolute beast.

And Gervinho has 10 misses in the last 2  ;D
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Post by: fari on November 19, 2011, 11:13:17 AM
good win!   gervinho doh worry boy, de goals will come...u getting into good positions just keep ur composure...watch henry in training to see what to do

this win was a great start to my birthday ;D
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Post by: palos on November 19, 2011, 11:22:52 AM
I honestly expected Norwich to equalize in de dregs.

Arsenal is a real heart attack team.  Guess that's a major part of why so much people like dem.....dem love de drama.

It really interesting to me how Mertesacker looks so shaky in EPL.  This guy is normally the coolest customer you can get.  In EPL...he playin almost like a rookie.  Thank GOD dey get back Vermalen yes...or else.

Question for Observer or anybody else who might know.  Do you know if Arsenal has a specialist defence coach?

If they do, he must be "special" like Radio.  Dem fellas does play sometimes like dem eh have a clue.

Gervinho real trow way today in trute.  I never saw a black powder puff before today
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on November 19, 2011, 12:46:18 PM
Palos I would say no. They do not have a coach for the defense, Pat Rice & Wenger do all the coaching. from what I understand when the question was put forward to Wenger (if he would consider hiring a coach for the defense) his reply was, no!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: palos on November 19, 2011, 01:28:06 PM
Palos I would say no. They do not have a coach for the defense, Pat Rice & Wenger do all the coaching. from what I understand when the question was put forward to Wenger (if he would consider hiring a coach for the defense) his reply was, no!

Is it normal for teams to have a specialist coach for the various positions?  Defence, midfield, and striker?  Or is it more typical for the manager/coach to be responsible for ALL aspects of the team?

Pat Rice used to be a defender.  If he's responsible for mainly the defensive duties, he's been doing a horrible job.  Whoever responsible...and I have to conclude at this point that it's Wenger....he doin his team a disservice.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on November 19, 2011, 02:54:10 PM
I think for the time being it'll just be a matter of putting the better personnel out there .. I go with Djourou in the right back position and Mertsaker on the bench.
I think a few years aback they had hired Martin Keown and he had the backline pretty solid but it wasn't a long term thing.
I think they are doing better defensively but it's really individual mistakes being made.
Arsene trying to rotate but sooner or later one of the three is gonna have to sit it out and it's kinda obvious who it is going to have to be.
I hate Man City but when they were leading newcastle they looked pretty solid for you to believe that they wouldnt concede any .. Arsenal doesnt give me that kind of confidence.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on November 19, 2011, 03:36:34 PM
Palos I would say no. They do not have a coach for the defense, Pat Rice & Wenger do all the coaching. from what I understand when the question was put forward to Wenger (if he would consider hiring a coach for the defense) his reply was, no!

Is it normal for teams to have a specialist coach for the various positions?  Defence, midfield, and striker?  Or is it more typical for the manager/coach to be responsible for ALL aspects of the team?

Pat Rice used to be a defender.  If he's responsible for mainly the defensive duties, he's been doing a horrible job.  Whoever responsible...and I have to conclude at this point that it's Wenger....he doin his team a disservice.

Either that or the defenders just not good enough. Todays mistake was clearly not the defense as as a line, it was an individual's brain fart. Everyone scrutiny is always the back line, but in my limited view the lack of midfield defending places a huge strain on the back four, or three ( since the FB's have license to go forward).

Santos is a good player but not a very good defensive full back.
PS: Song was off song today, to his defense he has been very consistent this season
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Post by: Ngozi on November 19, 2011, 03:50:08 PM
Palos I would say no. They do not have a coach for the defense, Pat Rice & Wenger do all the coaching. from what I understand when the question was put forward to Wenger (if he would consider hiring a coach for the defense) his reply was, no!

Is it normal for teams to have a specialist coach for the various positions?  Defence, midfield, and striker?  Or is it more typical for the manager/coach to be responsible for ALL aspects of the team?

Pat Rice used to be a defender.  If he's responsible for mainly the defensive duties, he's been doing a horrible job.  Whoever responsible...and I have to conclude at this point that it's Wenger....he doin his team a disservice.

Either that or the defenders just not good enough. Todays mistake was clearly not the defense as as a line, it was an individual's brain fart. Everyone scrutiny is always the back line, but in my limited view the lack of midfield defending places a huge strain on the back four, or three ( since the FB's have license to go forward).

Santos is a good player but not a very good defensive full back.
PS: Song was off song today, to his defense he has been very consistent this season

I thought I was the only one who thought Song looked tired today to be honest.
I think the midfield puts in a decent amount of work Song and Arteta mainly ... Ramsey looked off the paste a bit he just misses so much with his first touch not really sure I'm ever really gonna be a full fledged fan of him.
To play that role his touch has to be a thousand times better than it is now so the time he takes to control can be used to see the spaces to put the ball... still wanna see more of Rosicky. Walcott did better today .... why are our two wingers so shot shy?
Seems like the only person who really wants to attack and shoot after Van P is Santos and Vermalean.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on November 21, 2011, 10:36:38 AM

http://desigunner.wordpress.com/2011/11/21/snapshot-based-analysis-of-the-norwich-city-goal/

Snapshot Based Analysis Of The Norwich City Goal
On Saturday, Arsenal conceded another ridiculous goal. Thankfully, It didn’t affect the outcome but brought back painful memories of other howlers in the recent past. Now the easy option is to blame Mertesacker and move on. There is no denying the fact that the German should have shown greater strength and could have passed the ball towards Santos or headed it back to Szczesny if he so intended. Bulk of the blame falls on the big man and he will have to learn to use his size to resist such opportunistic fouling that is almost always deemed legal in the Premier League.

Having said that, I believe there is more to this goal than just Mertesacker’s mistake. Let’s take a look at the sequence of events. The background was that Arsenal won a corner in the 15th minute and the defenders had gone forward. It was wasted and resulted in a goal-kick.

When Ruddy kicked it forward, Mertesacker won it unchallenged and headed it back into the Norwich half. A few headers were exchanged before Tierney hoofed it forward.

The first snapshot shows the German’s header. The bold red line below Song marks the area where I believe Arsenal’s high line would have been at the time the long ball was played from the back (moments after this snap was taken). It is just behind the centre circle, so around 12 yards inside Arsenal’s half. The yellow oval marks Morrison.


Mertesacker heads the goal-kick
The second snap shows Tierney kicking the ball from at least 20 yards inside the Norwich half. Considering the fact that Mertesacker and Morrison duelled just inside the Arsenal penalty box, this ball must have traveled 55-60 yards if not more.

An interesting aside is that Arsenal have put decent pressure on the ball. In the past it has been said that the Gunners didn’t press well while playing a high line but in this case that does not seem like a valid complaint. So it would seem that even though a key issue has been addressed, the goal could not be prevented. It must be noted that due to the pressing, this wasn’t a measured ball over the top but more of a hopeful punt under pressure.


Tierney long ball | Arsenal pressing fairly well
The third image is the most interesting one. I could not get a less blurry one, apologies for that. But based on the previous images (or you can check the replays) the players’ positions are clear. Mertesacker is marked by the Red oval while Morrison is in the Yellow one.

It seems safe to assume the players would have covered a couple of yards since the ball was kicked and the camera panned around. This provides a rough idea of their starting positions, which should be somewhere along the line marked below Song in the first image.


Morrison & Mertesacker chasing the ball
From here on we don’t need any more snapshots as the events were fairly clear.

Apart from the Mertesacker mistakes discussed above, one could ask why Szczesny didn’t come for the ball. When the ball was 20 yards inside the opposition half, he must surely have been a few yards out of his line. That means he’d have to travel around 15-18 yards to get to the ball while facing all the play.

In contrast, Morrison probably sprinted close to 30 meters from his position wide on the touchline about a dozen yards inside the Arsenal half. He ran at an angle and came in from behind and across the German defender. Mertesacker too would have had to cover 25 yards or so. Based on this evidence it can be surmised that Szczesny could have been closer to the ball than the attackers. Why then should the goalkeeper not take charge of the situation?

Don’t get me wrong, the point is not to blame Szczesny. That is a pointless exercise. The idea is to discuss the events and consider various possibilities. From that point of view I believe valid questions can be asked of the Keeper’s role in this scenario.

Regular readers would recall in the past I have observed that Arsenal’s keepers looked worse than they actually were because they were asked to come for almost everything. Szczesny has been relieved of that burden and the defenders have taken more responsibility over the last couple of seasons. But even then there have been a few incidents when the young Pole came out and botched it. Could it be that he now has strict instructions to stay on or near his line?

I have a feeling the coaches and the players haven’t been able to form a clear decision making process for such events. Of course, it’s not easy and remains a judgement call for the Keeper to make but training should hone his instincts. Recent events and disasters of past might have forced this policy of asking the Keeper to stay back even in cases where coming out would be the better choice.

Without knowing the details of what goes on behind the scenes in training, it’s hard to definitively say whether it’s a training issue or an individual’s lack of judgment. Considering the numerous bloopers that we have seen in recent years with a similar theme but involving different players resulting in various freakish goals, the balance tilts towards a coaching problem.

And since we are talking about this goal, it’s worth mentioning that when Mertesacker got near the ball Vermaelen could be seen gesturing towards Szczesny to stay back. The Belgian himself slowed down and didn’t stay in line with the German. One could also argue that if Vermaelen had anticipated a mistake (like many fans did!) he could have continued his sprint back and got in a position to tackle Morrison or get between the striker and the goal.

Again don’t mistake this as an effort to blame Vermaelen. In fairness, he probably thought there was no danger and eased off. That should have been the case if Mertesacker dealt with the situation.

So in conclusion, I do agree with most people who primarily hold the German responsible for the goal. But when there are three or four defenders around the ball and the solitary attacker manages to score such a goal, further questions need to be asked. Clearly, a lot of work has gone into redeveloping the team but such events do shake the confidence. Can anyone say when next or how often similar  errors will frustrate all Gooners (including the manager and the players)?

Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on November 21, 2011, 10:54:49 AM
It was just a simple mistake. The only think I could say in Mertesacker’s defense is that the ball was at an awkward height for him when Morrison stuck his foot in.
i was actually impressed with Mertesacker’s little burst of speed... but then he mucked it up
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Post by: Ngozi on November 21, 2011, 12:19:52 PM
I actually think he was fouled .. no excuses though but it looked a foul to me!!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on November 22, 2011, 06:08:41 PM
Tough game tomorrow. Gunners need to win to clinch the next round. Hope Olympiakos can help us out.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on November 23, 2011, 12:36:00 PM
I wanted to ask allyuh boi ... who is better Eden Hazard or Mario Goetze?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bakes on November 23, 2011, 02:11:40 PM
I wanted to ask allyuh boi ... who is better Eden Hazard or Mario Goetze?

Wasn't addressed to me, but I'll answer... Gotze is a very good player, very dynamic, but compared to Hazard he's no more than the current flavor of the month.  Hazard is the more proven player at this point in their careers, only player to win the French Young Player award twice or something so, and has been producing for years.  Gotze just reach on the scene but still has time to establish his bonafides.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on November 23, 2011, 06:32:46 PM
I wanted to ask allyuh boi ... who is better Eden Hazard or Mario Goetze?

Wasn't addressed to me, but I'll answer... Gotze is a very good player, very dynamic, but compared to Hazard he's no more than the current flavor of the month.  Hazard is the more proven player at this point in their careers, only player to win the French Young Player award twice or something so, and has been producing for years.  Gotze just reach on the scene but still has time to establish his bonafides.


Bakes this was addressed to all men on the board lol ... thanks for the answer .... I'm inclined to agree with you but I felt myself comparing him to Ribbery and while Ribbery always hunting for the ball to make yuh life hell when he run at yuh .. hazard tends to float in and out of games ... seems moody and like you dunno what youll get out of him each game ... for the money they calling for him ... them attributes not comforting!!

So didn't know really who had the more upside between him and Goetz.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on November 23, 2011, 06:50:28 PM
IMHO, I like Goetze. he can give you several options by playing different positions
 and he has a knack for scoring big goals. In the long run it is an excellent comparison and one to watch.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bakes on November 23, 2011, 06:51:53 PM
Bakes this was addressed to all men on the board lol ... thanks for the answer .... I'm inclined to agree with you but I felt myself comparing him to Ribbery and while Ribbery always hunting for the ball to make yuh life hell when he run at yuh .. hazard tends to float in and out of games ... seems moody and like you dunno what youll get out of him each game ... for the money they calling for him ... them attributes not comforting!!

So didn't know really who had the more upside between him and Goetz.

I feel Gotze hungrier... Hazard grow up having everything handed to him, including success.  Not saying he didn't work hard, but it came early to him, and perhaps naturally to him.  Without getting too much into the amateur psychology, my take is if yuh doh have to struggle fuh something yuh tend to not appreciate it... maybe that is why it might appear that Hazard does float in and out.  Gotze just finally starting to taste success and he lapping it up... or dying trying.  They both the same age so both have the same amount of time on their side.  But to me Hazard is a much more complete player.  That said, I real like Gotze doh... he strike me as ah a man if yuh drop him in a den ah lions yuh have tuh fraid fuh de lions.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on November 23, 2011, 09:44:08 PM
So, umm, are we still in crisis?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on November 24, 2011, 10:35:39 AM
So, umm, are we still in crisis?

If no trophies come the club's way then everyone will say "YUH SEE."
Stay healthy MAIN AIM
Get the injured BAck
Others need to step up and start scoring. One person doing all your scoring
is healthy for Now.
More depth come January 

Dede from Vasco is a CB  with huge promise
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on November 25, 2011, 07:34:38 AM
So, umm, are we still in crisis?

If no trophies come the club's way then everyone will say "YUH SEE."
Stay healthy MAIN AIM
Get the injured BAck
Others need to step up and start scoring. One person doing all your scoring
is healthy for Now.
More depth come January 

Dede from Vasco is a CB  with huge promise


Arsene ent go be looking for anymore CB .... Dede is being chasedby Arsenal?
Heard a rumour circulating bout Henry for a loan?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on November 25, 2011, 09:55:03 AM
Arsene ent go be looking for anymore CB .... Dede is being chasedby Arsenal?
Heard a rumour circulating bout Henry for a loan?

I don't think we need any more centre backs.we have 5, Verm and Kos are in great form, Per kinda sometimish, JD out of form and Squillaci the less said the better, but that is a fairly deep bench. Deeper than United or City I think. Of course their luck with injuries historically isn't nearly as bad.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bakes on November 26, 2011, 01:12:14 PM
Vermaelen with ah brace...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: giggsy11 on November 26, 2011, 01:26:24 PM
No Van Persie score no win!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on November 28, 2011, 07:57:52 AM
We looked tired  against Fulham .... the Man City game he has to put out a strong team ..... Man  city is not as unbeatable as people make them out to be ...but with that in mind their goalie is superb!!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on November 28, 2011, 11:00:15 AM
Carling cup I doh mind if we go with the B side. Climbing the league table is priority as far as I am concerned. Beyond that we need the other players (especially the centre forwards and wingers) to get playing time as we will need them in the first 3 months of 2012 for league games.
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Post by: Bitter on November 29, 2011, 12:25:24 PM
Wenger urges fans not to abuse Nasri
November 29, 2011
By ESPN staff
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/conversation?id=989759&cc=5901

Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger admits he knew in May that he was destined to lose Samir Nasri at some point during the summer.

Nasri moved to Manchester City for £24 million in August after refusing to extend an Arsenal contract which was due to expire in 2012. Only weeks before the transfer, Wenger said he was confident that the France international would stay with the London side.

However, it appears his optimism was little more than a smokescreen designed to extract a larger transfer fee from City. "When we didn't reach an agreement [over a new contract] I prepared myself to face the possibility he may leave. I knew in May," Wenger said.

Nasri joined Arsenal for £11m from Marseille in 2008 and, particularly across his final season at the club, emerged as one of the finest midfielders in the Premier League.

Ahead of City's trip to Arsenal in the Carling Cup quarter-finals on Tuesday, Wenger has urged the Gunners fans to remember the good Nasri did for the club - and not the manner of his exit.

"I hope Samir gets a good reception," Wenger said. "I want every player who played for us to be respected when they come back. Samir improved tremendously with us. He has developed fantastically well from a non-scoring player to a guy who can make a decision."

Wenger has warned Manchester City their biggest tests are yet to come.

"You have to go through the whole winter when you play in the Champions League - we did that," he said. "In the FA Cup as well, the semi-finals of the Champions League - to do that together is very difficult.

"It [an unbeaten league campaign] looks unlikely, but you never know. You can never really doubt. However, in the modern game you need a bit of luck - watching the game against Liverpool they could have been beaten.

"Overall hopefully for us not, because we want to get as close as possible to them and it is important to beat them.

"Financially it is impossible to compete with them. On the football pitch it is possible. Our squad has more experience and I am confident we can show that. We are still a young team. The success of this club is based on the development of young players and we still want to show that.''

Kolo Toure and Gael Clichy are two other former Gunners who could feature in the Emirates Stadium clash, with City boss Roberto Mancini planning wholesale changes.

Striker Mario Balotelli and midfielder Gareth Barry are suspended, but may have been left out anyway after featuring in the weekend draw at Liverpool. Former England midfielder Owen Hargreaves, fit after a recent calf injury, and Stefan Savic are among the more high-profile players who could be involved.

Wenger has confirmed he will give some of his fringe players a chance to impress. Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, Emmanuel Frimpong, Yossi Benayoun and South Korea captain Park Chu-Young are all in contention as some of the Gunners' key men will be given a break.

Midfielder Abou Diaby is a doubt after picking up a muscular injury in Saturday's 1-1 draw with Fulham.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on November 29, 2011, 02:52:00 PM
Once Arsenal in possession and Man City holding defensive shape with an 8 man block on top of the box, Arsenal forcing it and playing way too Narrow.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on November 29, 2011, 03:06:17 PM
Once Arsenal in possession and Man City holding defensive shape with an 8 man block on top of the box, Arsenal forcing it and playing way too Narrow.

Since last season, it's interesting to see how much respect Mancini gives Arsenal.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on November 29, 2011, 05:45:44 PM
Coquelin, Frimpong, and Chamberlin look like the real deal. Park looks way off Premier standard and Chamak not convincing as well, he eh scaring nobody.
Arsenal play some excellent football today, but suffered from a lack of a genuine striker to finshing the excellent work of the midfield and wide players.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on November 29, 2011, 06:01:25 PM
Coquelin, Frimpong, and Chamberlin look like the real deal. Park looks way off Premier standard and Chamak not convincing as well, he eh scaring nobody.
Arsenal play some excellent football today, but suffered from a lack of a genuine striker to finshing the excellent work of the midfield and wide players.

Yes, a good game, These are some of the same players who were "in over their heads" for the Man U game earlier in the season. With all the hand wringing about goalies and defenders and the loss of Cesc and Nasri, Arsenal probably just need a couple good strikers.

The amount of running them fellas do in the middle of the park to close down Man City was amazing.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on November 29, 2011, 06:42:34 PM
Coquelin, Frimpong, and Chamberlin look like the real deal. Park looks way off Premier standard and Chamak not convincing as well, he eh scaring nobody.
Arsenal play some excellent football today, but suffered from a lack of a genuine striker to finshing the excellent work of the midfield and wide players.

Yes, a good game, These are some of the same players who were "in over their heads" for the Man U game earlier in the season. With all the hand wringing about goalies and defenders and the loss of Cesc and Nasri, Arsenal probably just need a couple good strikers.

The amount of running them fellas do in the middle of the park to close down Man City was amazing.

Every season Arsenal uncovers a gem .... This fella coqueline runs and runs and runsssss ..... !!!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 01, 2011, 09:18:47 AM
Praise for Theo Walcott long overdue

http://espn.go.com/sports/soccer/news/_/id/7293799/theo-walcott-deserves-more-recognition-being-excellent-footballer-michael-cox (http://espn.go.com/sports/soccer/news/_/id/7293799/theo-walcott-deserves-more-recognition-being-excellent-footballer-michael-cox)

By Michael Cox
Special to ESPN.com


Arsenal fans have fewer player-specific chants than last season. They liked singing about Cesc Fabregas, of course, and Samir Nasri had a nice song to the tune of "Give It Up" by KC and the Sunshine Band, which will be revived for Tuesday's Carling Cup tie with Manchester City -- albeit with somewhat ruder lyrics. Robin van Persie's still a fan favorite and gets a nice chorus of his name, but there's only so many times you can sing "We've only got one song" before spoiling the joke.

The chant that got the most airtime during Saturday's home draw with Fulham was the simple, bellowed "Theo, Theo." Hardly the most nuanced chant, but that might be appropriate for hardly the most nuanced of players. Theo Walcott, as every English football fan will tell you, is about pace and little else.

Yet Walcott has become a terrific player over the course of 2011. His positioning is more varied; he links brilliantly with van Persie, surely the player of the calendar year; and only David Silva, Nani and Ashley Young have recorded more assists. Not bad for a player frequently criticized for a lack of an end product.

Walcott has always had the pace, but he has learned how to use it better. For the first few minutes against Fulham, he employed his speed to try to get in behind the defense. As soon as van Persie dropped deep between the lines, Walcott was on his way before the first pass had even reached the Dutchman. If Fulham left back John Arne Riise switched off for a second, Walcott was long gone. Had van Persie played the ball right to Walcott rather than left to the offside Andrei Arshavin in the first half, Arsenal wouldn't have had such a difficult afternoon.

But Walcott can do that only so often. There comes a point at which the opposition defends so deep that such a ball in behind is impossible -- the angle of the pass is too straight, and too likely to trickle through to the goalkeeper rather than slide into Walcott's path. A couple of years ago, Walcott spent entire games trying to encourage those through balls. It became predictable, Walcott too reliant upon that killer pass. "When I was younger, my teammates would kick it behind the defense and I'd run onto it and score," he told Arsenal Magazine last year. "It's not that easy anymore."

It certainly isn't. Now, Walcott's positioning is varied. Rather than incessantly going in behind (or making the run, stopping when the pass wasn't played immediately and then getting the ball when stationed next to the opposition left back), he drops off more, then speeds past an opponent with the ball. He did that brilliantly against Norwich's Marc Tierney for van Persie's equalizer in Arsenal's previous match.

Alternatively, because opponents are so keen to stand off and deny him space in behind, Walcott gets space for a cross. He has become adept at this skill -- Thomas Vermaelen's headed equalizer against Fulham came from one of his crosses; van Persie had a good headed chance from another; and Aaron Ramsey blazed over the crossbar when he should have hammered the ball into the net. Everything went down Arsenal's right, which reflected well on Walcott, especially because Arsenal didn't have any overlapping runs from right back, with Bacary Sagna injured and Johan Djourou not comfortable motoring forward.

It has taken a while for Walcott to become an all-round attacking threat. Perhaps, for a player frequently derided for his lack of footballing intelligence, he took a while to adjust to Arsene Wenger's methods. Wenger doesn't specifically instruct players; he puts them in environments during training that are intended for players to come to conclusions themselves. It's why he's so keen on playing five-a-side, for example.

"Five-a-side confronts the player with constant decision-making," Wenger told FourFourTwo. "When you receive the ball, you are faced with dozens of options. Your brain acts like a computer: It realizes it has been faced with this situation before and tries to come up with the right answer."

Van Persie explains Wenger's approach to correcting attacking moves. "I made a couple of little mistakes in a game," van Persie said. "He told me that a top player doesn't do those actions … it was up to me to find my answers. I was finding my own answers and that's how he helped me big-time." Van Persie is a player you can rely upon to find his own conclusions. For Walcott, it has taken longer.

Maybe that's why he had such trouble when given specific tasks by Fabio Capello ahead of last summer's World Cup. "I made a run inside from my position out wide on the right. Suddenly Mr. Capello started screaming at me at the top of his voice," Walcott recalls in his autobiography. "Training stopped and everyone stared at their feet and looked embarrassed. 'Theo,' he was yelling. 'I will kill you if you come inside like that again!'" Yet other players in England's training camp described the instructions as "simple," and to anyone who watched England under Capello in the buildup to 2010, it was obvious that he wanted his right winger to stay wide. Walcott just wasn't used to following orders.

His omission from that tournament spurred him on. "I just wanted to come back and prove people wrong, to make sure it didn't happen again," he said -- and he's now forcing opponents to alter their tactics to stop him. After Saturday's game, Fulham manager Martin Jol recalled the first half. "Walcott got a one-versus-one three times," he said. "You don't want that, and we tried to correct it." When Walcott got the ball in the second half, Fulham tried to double up against him, often with Dickson Etuhu. Gaps appeared elsewhere.

Walcott's still not perfect. He needs to arrive quicker at the far post when the ball is on the left to improve his goal-scoring tally, and he was partly responsible for the goal Arsenal conceded Saturday, when Riise broke past him.

But there seems a strange reluctance to accept that Walcott has become a fine footballer. A hat trick against Blackpool last season resulted in a "Match of the Day" montage that evening, demonstrating why he has "no football brain." After terrorizing Ashley Cole in Arsenal's 5-3 win at Stamford Bridge last month, one report read, "Credit where credit is due. Walcott was excellent."

Why so hesitant and forced? "Credit where credit is due" is hardly how you would praise or congratulate someone if the enthusiasm was genuine. It's not as if the performance was a one-off, either. Walcott's form has been good since he outwitted Cole in their previous meeting last Christmas.

Maybe the World Cup call-up in 2006 was the worst thing that could have happened to him; maybe he's a victim of a culture in which many are desperate for players to fail. Whatever the reasons for the negativity, Walcott is now a very good footballer, and it's time for him to get the recognition he deserves.

Michael Cox is a freelance writer for ESPN.com. He also runs zonalmarking.net
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on December 04, 2011, 09:44:41 AM
Arsenal should buy Juan Vargas from Fiorentina. he is well suited to the Premier. A genuine wide player who can also play midfield.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on December 04, 2011, 11:39:42 AM
Think we need a genuine striker Chammak is done and Park I suspect is not up to scratch!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: palos on December 04, 2011, 11:43:03 AM
Arsenal should buy Juan Vargas from Fiorentina. he is well suited to the Premier. A genuine wide player who can also play midfield.

If Chamberlain is the real deal...and Walcott playing well....and above all, Arsenal needs a striker to finish the good work of the wide men and midfielders, why would they buy yet another wide player in Vargas?  Shouldn't they be going after a striker? 

For me....if Pato is available...(he not exactly starting for Milan) they should go after him.  If not him, maybe Damaio from Internacional would be a good shout?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on December 04, 2011, 12:37:13 PM
Arsenal should buy Juan Vargas from Fiorentina. he is well suited to the Premier. A genuine wide player who can also play midfield.

If Chamberlain is the real deal...and Walcott playing well....and above all, Arsenal needs a striker to finish the good work of the wide men and midfielders, why would they buy yet another wide player in Vargas?  Shouldn't they be going after a striker? 

For me....if Pato is available...(he not exactly starting for Milan) they should go after him.  If not him, maybe Damaio from Internacional would be a good shout?

Pato would be an excellent prospect but if he is available tho I suspect barca and those teams gonna go after him big time ... We have enough wide players and midfielders with Wilshire still to come back and Ryo (still need to get a good look at this kid).
I also suspect Arsene wants to reduce before he brings in players .. Arsharvin and Chammakk might be the unfortunate candidates we really need another effective striker ...  I dont know much about this Damaio youth .. but I understand he scored like 35 goals last season cyah be a bad prospect .. Podolski is an option but not sold on his scoring consistency ... Gotze is a midfielder and I don't think he'll go for him in January.
The position I feel needs a more consistent presence is that ramsey role .. even though he is doing an ok job.. I'm not sold on him ... I am looking at how Wilshire works out there when he recovers but we need a real forward in the event RVP goes down our backup options are not reliable options.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on December 04, 2011, 12:39:32 PM
Because they do not have a genuine player wide left (who can play wide left).

Chamak will be lost to ANC anyway.

Gervinho when he played up front (his natural position) in the pre season he was scoring. To be fair to him he needs to get a shot at playing at his most comfortable position (to prove himself)

To get a striker of real quality now that is eligible for CL is a tough call. However, maybe Germán Denis, or Llorente may just do the business, but both are no Cavani  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on December 04, 2011, 12:55:18 PM
Because they do not have a genuine player wide left (who can play wide left).

Chamak will be lost to ANC anyway.

Gervinho when he played up front (his natural position) in the pre season he was scoring. To be fair to him he needs to get a shot at playing at his most comfortable position (to prove himself)

To get a striker of real quality now that is eligible for CL is a tough call. However, maybe Germán Denis, or Llorente may just do the business, but both are no Cavani  ;D


But the flanks is the position he played with Lille ... I think Sow played the striker role at Lille .... what was interesting was that against Man City Arsene played a 4-4-2 but I guess it was justified with the insane amount of work our two central mids put in ... but when Gervinho came on he put him on one of the midfield flanks .. so I'm not sure Arsene sees him as a striker .. he's not exactly the most clinical of finishers.
Besides regardless of which position he plays the runs he makes gives him opportunities but he isn't burying them. Podolski is left footed and has played the wide position for germany and above all is eligible for champions league football since his current club has not qualified for the champions league!!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 06, 2011, 10:10:15 AM
TriniGunners Facebook page real clear out dis thread boy!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 07, 2011, 09:03:49 PM
So, when Na$ri say he was leaving Arsenal to win trophies, I didn't realise he mean Europa League!

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Post by: Ngozi on December 07, 2011, 11:21:16 PM
So, when Na$ri say he was leaving Arsenal to win trophies, I didn't realise he mean Europa League!

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

lol think he meant the carling cup !!!
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Post by: FF on December 08, 2011, 08:44:04 AM
Arsenal men making jokes bout winning trophies??

(http://i.imgur.com/IbFEG.gif)

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Post by: DeSoWa on December 08, 2011, 11:23:15 AM
Arsenal men making jokes bout winning trophies??

(http://i.imgur.com/IbFEG.gif)



Yuh acting like if Arsenal never win anything! So what if it's been 6yrs? Steups Lewwe we have some fun at the expense of the BOYchester clubs nah!  ;D


Big Up!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 08, 2011, 01:34:17 PM
Arsenal men making jokes bout winning trophies??

(http://i.imgur.com/IbFEG.gif)



Yuh acting like if Arsenal never win anything! So what if it's been 6yrs? Steups Lewwe we have some fun at the expense of the BOYchester clubs nah!  ;D


Big Up!
Oprah just bitter is all. She go cool down in a few weeks.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 08, 2011, 01:39:53 PM
News Flash:
Arsenal are hoping to lure Samir Nasri away from Manchester City with the promise of Champions League football.
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Post by: Ngozi on December 08, 2011, 01:57:33 PM
News Flash:
Arsenal are hoping to lure Samir Nasri away from Manchester City with the promise of Champions League football.
lol
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Post by: GunnerStunner on December 08, 2011, 03:37:43 PM
sorry fellas been real bnusy these days and with the FB page Trini Warriors

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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 08, 2011, 11:09:03 PM
sorry fellas been real bnusy these days and with the FB page Trini Warriors


What does "bnusy" mean?
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Post by: DeSoWa on December 09, 2011, 10:38:38 AM
Thierry Henry got his statue at the Emirates in celebration of the club's 125th anniversary! Legend14!  :beermug:

(http://p.twimg.com/AgO_eQUCIAEjxcW.jpg)

Big Up!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 09, 2011, 06:00:42 PM
Thierry Henry got his statue at the Emirates in celebration of the club's 125th anniversary! Legend14!  :beermug:

(http://p.twimg.com/AgO_eQUCIAEjxcW.jpg)

Big Up!
:applause: :notworthy:
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Post by: Ngozi on December 09, 2011, 08:42:52 PM
sorry fellas been real bnusy these days and with the FB page Trini Warriors


Thought that page was closed .. I tried to join it about a month a back and nada!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 09, 2011, 10:22:53 PM
sorry fellas been real bnusy these days and with the FB page Trini Warriors


Thought that page was closed .. I tried to join it about a month a back and nada!


They opened a new one:

http://www.facebook.com/groups/trinigunners/ (http://www.facebook.com/groups/trinigunners/)
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Post by: Bitter on December 10, 2011, 10:32:26 AM
Golazzo!!!! By who else?

 :notworthy:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 10, 2011, 11:27:33 AM
Back to 4th (if City beat Chelsea on Monday we stay there). Of course our next league game is at City.
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Post by: fari on December 10, 2011, 01:13:16 PM
Back to 4th (if City beat Chelsea on Monday we stay there). Of course our next league game is at City.

that should be a good one if city plays an open game.  i feel we could beat them...their attack is top notch but that defense ain't nutten special.
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Post by: GunnerStunner on December 10, 2011, 06:27:48 PM
just in: th epentagon is doing research into modelling RVP left foot as a method of delivering precise military strikes...
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 11, 2011, 11:35:35 AM
just in: th epentagon is doing research into modelling RVP left foot as a method of delivering precise military strikes...
;D
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 11, 2011, 11:37:04 AM
Back to 4th (if City beat Chelsea on Monday we stay there). Of course our next league game is at City.

that should be a good one if city plays an open game.  i feel we could beat them...their attack is top notch but that defense ain't nutten special.
Yeah I not really nervous about facing City actually.
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Post by: Peong on December 11, 2011, 04:40:54 PM
Back to 4th (if City beat Chelsea on Monday we stay there). Of course our next league game is at City.

that should be a good one if city plays an open game.  i feel we could beat them...their attack is top notch but that defense ain't nutten special.
Yeah I not really nervous about facing City actually.

Probably becuz yuh know yuh cutass done booked.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 14, 2011, 07:18:09 AM
Back to 4th (if City beat Chelsea on Monday we stay there). Of course our next league game is at City.

that should be a good one if city plays an open game.  i feel we could beat them...their attack is top notch but that defense ain't nutten special.
Yeah I not really nervous about facing City actually.

Probably becuz yuh know yuh cutass done booked.

We shall see. They said that about Arsenal going to Chelsea. They even said it about Chelsea hosting Manchester City. I am confident that Arsenal can win at City. City is a good team despite Mancini and will be difficult to beat but that doesn't mean it can't be done.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 16, 2011, 08:25:00 AM
AC Milan? Tough opponent, should be a good game but the Gunners can go through.
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Post by: giggsy11 on December 18, 2011, 10:52:02 AM
If I was Djoroui's teammates, I wouldn't pass tuh him or look for the pass back. The man making all kind of breakfoot and pullstones pass every time he have the ball! And when he loose it he joggin back. Arsenal holdin dey own doh!
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Post by: Bitter on December 18, 2011, 10:54:05 AM
If I was Djoroui's teammates, I wouldn't pass tuh him or look for the pass back. The man making all kind of breakfoot and pullstones pass every time he have the ball! And when he loose it he joggin back. Arsenal holdin dey own doh!

At least he not playing in central defense
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Post by: giggsy11 on December 18, 2011, 11:58:08 AM
Good lord; Arshavin is shite!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 18, 2011, 12:09:25 PM
A hard fought loss. Arsenal were always in it but couldn't apply the killer touch. Theo was anonymous, Arshavin more so, Ramsey still giving away the ball too much. Koscielny should be banned from playing right back. Needed a touch of luck or magic against a very good side and didn't get it today.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 18, 2011, 12:09:45 PM
Good lord; Arshavin is shite!
Sell him to Anzhi!
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Post by: giggsy11 on December 18, 2011, 12:14:54 PM
Good lord; Arshavin is shite!
Sell him to Anzhi!

Ship him out with Anelka! If Arsenal had gotten something from Walcott today Arsenal could have at least gotten a point. Rick James was making some nice runs but Arsenal couldn't put pressure on Walcott's side to work that City defence.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 18, 2011, 12:27:18 PM
Good lord; Arshavin is shite!
Sell him to Anzhi!

Ship him out with Anelka! If Arsenal had gotten something from Walcott today Arsenal could have at least gotten a point. Rick James was making some nice runs but Arsenal couldn't put pressure on Walcott's side to work that City defence.

Totally agree with you there. Theo was anonymous. I was hoping he would have more of an impact second half but once Arshavin came on I knew it was game over.
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Post by: fari on December 18, 2011, 01:23:30 PM
Good lord; Arshavin is shite!
Sell him to Anzhi!

Ship him out with Anelka! If Arsenal had gotten something from Walcott today Arsenal could have at least gotten a point. Rick James was making some nice runs but Arsenal couldn't put pressure on Walcott's side to work that City defence.

Totally agree with you there. Theo was anonymous. I was hoping he would have more of an impact second half but once Arshavin came on I knew it was game over.

which is a hell of a thing to know as a fan...the players know it too make no mistake.  all these cameos arsh getting i hope some club side mad enuf to take him in january.
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Post by: dumpalewie on December 18, 2011, 08:53:02 PM
Good lord; Arshavin is shite!
Sell him to Anzhi!
That man clearly not able at this level anymore.

Oxalde-Chamberlain was the best player on the field in the Carling Cup game. Why is Wenger playing Arshavin above him?


Ship him out with Anelka! If Arsenal had gotten something from Walcott today Arsenal could have at least gotten a point. Rick James was making some nice runs but Arsenal couldn't put pressure on Walcott's side to work that City defence.

Totally agree with you there. Theo was anonymous. I was hoping he would have more of an impact second half but once Arshavin came on I knew it was game over.

which is a hell of a thing to know as a fan...the players know it too make no mistake.  all these cameos arsh getting i hope some club side mad enuf to take him in january.
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Post by: Ngozi on December 19, 2011, 11:53:36 AM
Still couldn't understand why you would put on Arsharvin and leave Rosicky on the bench plus after that performance against Man City how is it Ox cyah make the bench? The two men who come on played in that same Carling cup game and play lala yet they get the nod ahead of Ox ... the logic here escapes me.
Anytime I see Arsharvin coming on I see that as a sign Wenger throwing the towel in.
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Post by: Observer on December 19, 2011, 12:08:23 PM
Chamberlin has an injury.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 21, 2011, 01:25:34 PM
Starting lineup vs Villa: Szczesny, Coquelin, Mertesacker, Koscielny, Vermaelen, Frimpong, Arteta, Ramsey, Walcott, Gervinho, Van Persie.

Subs: Almunia, Squillaci, Benayoun, Arshavin, Rosicky, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Chamakh.

Coquelin at Right back? Hmmmm.
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Post by: Observer on December 21, 2011, 08:39:35 PM
Always liked Arteta, but with his injury history it just seems to me he has lost a
yard of pace. I know he was never the quickest, but he had a nice three steps in the earlys.
Hopefully, he may find it again because Arsenal could use some burst from midfield.
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Post by: Ngozi on December 22, 2011, 09:10:52 AM
RVP is currently second (behind Suarez) in this SKY poll for player of 2011 - get voting sharpish and get him up to top spot where he belongs!
http://www1.skysports.com/​football/news/11096/7388855/​Player-of-2011
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 22, 2011, 02:22:05 PM
RVP is currently second (behind Suarez) in this SKY poll for player of 2011 - get voting sharpish and get him up to top spot where he belongs!
http://www1.skysports.com/​football/news/11096/7388855/​Player-of-2011

Steups. Suarez higher than RVP? How many times he vote for heself? Anybody else who vote dat is a DUNCE!
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Post by: Observer on December 22, 2011, 02:44:57 PM
Is it me or is Mertesacker unconvincing? Wenger really need to get an adviser when buying central defenders Cygan, Squillachi, Senderos and now Mertesacker  ;D
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Post by: Ngozi on December 22, 2011, 04:07:24 PM
Is it me or is Mertesacker unconvincing? Wenger really need to get an adviser when buying central defenders Cygan, Squillachi, Senderos and now Mertesacker  ;D

He's grown on me still not my idea of a great centre back but he does a job and keeps it simple ... still of the opinion that as long as we get back our wingbacks his day as a starter is numbered. I think in Kos and TV we may have the best two central defenders in the league and considering the work theyre doing as wingbacks as well .. in terms of versatility they are second to none!
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Post by: dumpalewie on December 22, 2011, 06:32:23 PM
Is it me or is Mertesacker unconvincing? Wenger really need to get an adviser when buying central defenders Cygan, Squillachi, Senderos and now Mertesacker  ;D

He's grown on me still not my idea of a great centre back but he does a job and keeps it simple ... still of the opinion that as long as we get back our wingbacks his day as a starter is numbered. I think in Kos and TV we may have the best two central defenders in the league and considering the work theyre doing as wingbacks as well .. in terms of versatility they are second to none!
Absolutely right!!!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 22, 2011, 06:59:26 PM
Is it me or is Mertesacker unconvincing? Wenger really need to get an adviser when buying central defenders Cygan, Squillachi, Senderos and now Mertesacker  ;D

I don't think Wenger has done a bad job. TV and Kos are top class and both signed in the last 2 transfer windows. Merts doh really convince me either but he brings calmness and composure. His resume is impeccable though. I cyah really blame the manager for that one. Same as Squllacci. Experienced France international with CL experience? Who woulda thought he would buss so bad? LAst year real men was fighting Koscielny down. Anybody thought that between the 2 centre backs Arsenal signed last season Kos would be blowing up and Squid would buss?
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Post by: Observer on December 22, 2011, 09:00:22 PM
I am only speaking tongue and cheek about Wenger & his choice of CB's.
IMHO Mertesacker is too slow for the Premier & from the games I have seeh he has cost Arsenal some crucial goals. However, its his first year and he may very well adapt.
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Post by: palos on December 23, 2011, 10:37:00 AM
I am only speaking tongue and cheek about Wenger & his choice of CB's.
IMHO Mertesacker is too slow for the Premier & from the games I have seeh he has cost Arsenal some crucial goals. However, its his first year and he may very well adapt.

I think he'll be fine. And to me he has already shown a lot of improvement.  His outlet passing is a seriously underrated part of his game IMO and helps greatly with Arsenal's transition from defence to attack.  Very calm in possession.

Vermalen and Koscielny have been beasts this season.  Especially Kos.  He real surprise me this season.  Vermalen was always steady but Kos to me has been a revelation.  When Sagna returns and Santos get fully match fit....watch out.
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Post by: Ngozi on December 23, 2011, 10:43:46 AM
So Palos I take it you see Santos as the starting left back and not Gibbs?
P.s Sagna is running ... they say he is ahead of schedule and may return end of January.
DJourou may also be available for the wolves game.
I was always quietly impressed with Kos last year but that beast of a game he had vs Barca at the Emirates told me alot about his potential ....
To be honest I've felt that Arsenal's defence has done well this year might problem has been the link man from the midfield to the forward line  .... that to me has been the let down because we have'nt been creating opportunities consistently we've been maintaining possession but not opening up defences ala Tottenham, Man City and the two consistent elements on these two teams ... Modric and Da Silva .... we have Ramsey and he not ready ... hopeful Wilshire can fit into that role because I've a feeeling Wenger might not buy a Goetz or Podolski or Gourcuff this January.
The good thing though our progress has made us a desireable Club again so players are seeing us as viable option again.
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Post by: Observer on December 27, 2011, 10:57:51 AM
Fantastic defending by Wolves and a goalkeeping display worthy of gaining the points away from home.
Good second half Arsenal, can't fault the performance.

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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 28, 2011, 10:03:46 AM
So Palos I take it you see Santos as the starting left back and not Gibbs?
P.s Sagna is running ... they say he is ahead of schedule and may return end of January.
DJourou may also be available for the wolves game.
I was always quietly impressed with Kos last year but that beast of a game he had vs Barca at the Emirates told me alot about his potential ....
To be honest I've felt that Arsenal's defence has done well this year might problem has been the link man from the midfield to the forward line  .... that to me has been the let down because we have'nt been creating opportunities consistently we've been maintaining possession but not opening up defences ala Tottenham, Man City and the two consistent elements on these two teams ... Modric and Da Silva .... we have Ramsey and he not ready ... hopeful Wilshire can fit into that role because I've a feeeling Wenger might not buy a Goetz or Podolski or Gourcuff this January.
The good thing though our progress has made us a desireable Club again so players are seeing us as viable option again.
I think Santos is looking like he better than Gibbs both attacking and defending but not by much.
Love that Koscielny is finally getting the recognition he deserves. I liked him from the start and now he put on some muscle he will be a top defender. I can't wait to see him partnered with Vermaelen regularly and the two of them hunting down opposition strikers. As you say, a backline of Sagna-Koscielny-Vermaelen-Santos would probably be the best in the league and one of the best in Europe. Arsenal still missing Cesc quality in the final third and honestly, how many players (who are available) could replace him? Basing the team's game on a great back line, quick and dangerous wide forwards and a lethal finisher brings back memories of great Arsenal teams of 2001-2005. If Ramsey can realise his full potential and Jack recovers fully watch out!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 28, 2011, 10:09:24 AM
Fantastic defending by Wolves and a goalkeeping display worthy of gaining the points away from home.
Good second half Arsenal, can't fault the performance.

Wolves defending (as opposed to their goalkeeping) wasn't that great. Arsenal had more than enough goalscoring chances to win the game. They cut through that back line over and over. RVP was badly off (had at least 2 golden opportunities that he would normally have buried). And Wayne Hennessy is statistically the best shot stopper in the league. Most saves according to OPTA, 28 more than second place. A hard luck and I won't blame RVP for being human after the performances he has had. Maybe he tired. When RVP's usually immaculate first touch lets him down twice when he's through on goal you know something is wrong. Like the Man City game  I'm disappointed with the result, not the performance. We need to start getting the results though. Can't afford too many of those with the start Arsenal had. I couldn't handle Sp*rs finishing above Arsenal in the league nah.
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Post by: TdotTrini on December 28, 2011, 06:07:45 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2079585/Thierry-Henry-offered-deal-Arsenal.html

EXCLUSIVE: Arsenal offer club legend Henry two-month loan dealBy Sami Mokbel

Last updated at 11:36 PM on 28th December 2011

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Arsenal have finally offered Thierry Henry a contract to return to the club on a two-month loan.
Arsene Wenger had been mulling over whether to take back the club’s all-time leading goalscorer to boost his side’s chances of finishing in the top four.

With Gervinho and Marouane Chamakh heading to the Africa Cup of Nations next month, the Arsenal manager has concluded that top scorer Robin van Persie needs help to lighten his scoring burden.
 

Welcome back: Alex Song and Robin van Persie greet Thierry Henry before Arsenal's draw with Wolves
Wenger decided to make the offer after the 34-year-old returned from holiday in Mexico this week. Henry has a $4.5million (£2.9m) deal with New York Red Bulls but has been training with Arsenal in the MLS off-season and does not have to return to America until March.
Wenger decided to make the offer after the 34-year-old returned from holiday in Mexico this week. Henry has a $4.5million (£2.9m) deal with New York Red Bulls but has been training with Arsenal in the MLS off-season and does not have to return to America until March.
 

Welcome back: Thierry Henry is set to join Arsenal on loan 
 He could feature in seven Premier League games if he accepts the offer — as well as FA Cup ties and the first leg of Arsenal’s Champions League last-16 clash against AC Milan. But it is the Premier League where Wenger’s side need most help, with key games against Manchester United and Tottenham coming up.

Henry has impressed with his sharpness, attitude and effect on the Arsenal squad. He has become increasingly in favour of a return to the club and was moved to tears when a statue of him was unveiled at the Emirates this month.

 Keeping an eye: Henry observes the Wolves action from the stands on Tuesday
The former Arsenal captain scored a record 226 goals and won two league titles at the club between 1999 and 2007.
His return would excite fans smarting from the summer departures of Cesc Fabregas, Gael Clichy and Samir Nasri.
He will be welcome in the dressing too, with Alex Song and Per Mertesacker among those singing the former Barcelona man’s praises.

‘He is a great opportunity for us,’ said Mertesacker after Tuesday’s
frustrating 1-1 draw against Wolves.
 Option: Lukas Podolski is also a target for Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger
‘But I’m not the manager. I am happy training with him. He is playing well. Training against him is a great experience. He shows his class. He has the same attitude he showed in a lot of Arsenal games.’

Mertesacker has also been in touch with fellow German Lukas Podolski,
urging him to join the club in January.

Sportsmail revealed Wenger’s interest in the striker this month, and Mertesacker said: ‘Of course I’ve been on the phone to him. He is a great player. He scores a lot of goals. His left foot is unbelievable.’


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2079585/Thierry-Henry-offered-deal-Arsenal.html#ixzz1hsTAcs00


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2079585/Thierry-Henry-offered-deal-Arsenal.html#ixzz1hsSzsTFJ
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Post by: doc on December 31, 2011, 07:08:16 PM
Reluctantly, we move up to 4th. Soaring like a robin  :)
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Post by: morvant on December 31, 2011, 08:15:59 PM
i wonder if henry ready for this level? i hope so
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Post by: Observer on January 02, 2012, 12:13:02 PM
Reluctantly, we move up to 4th. Soaring like a robin  :)

What are your thoughts on Walcott? 
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Post by: elan on January 02, 2012, 01:25:13 PM
SMH......how terrible was that. Absolute Rec league defending on the play that led to the corner that brought the equalizer. It's seems Arsenal have great problem in marking roles when play switch sides, leading to open looks on the back post, both goals.  :-\
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Post by: Bakes on January 02, 2012, 01:32:45 PM
SMH......how terrible was that. Absolute Rec league defending on the play that led to the corner that brought the equalizer. It's seems Arsenal have great problem in marking roles when play switch sides, leading to open looks on the back post, both goals.  :-\

Their best holding midfielder was sent off unjustly... yuh didn't watch the whole match or what?  I not defending them, the loss helps my squad, but Senderos fouled Van Persie on a similar play in the first half and not even a foul was given.  Assuming the ref (Lee Probert ah think) was correct in calling a foul, there's no way that is a yellow card foul, let alone one that is deserving of a second yellow dismissal.  Fulham didn't do a whole lot up to that point... totally bossed the final 20 minutes with the man advantage.
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Post by: Observer on January 02, 2012, 01:46:34 PM
Fulham have a dam good team in the making. Good solid performance, created better chances than Arsenal. Dembele, Frei, Dempsey, Ruiz and Zamora proved a handful

Ref did not have his best game.........

Coquelin best player for Arsenal today
Gervinho for all his invention has two foot like a douen, when it come to shooting
Walcott needs to be dropped. Serious wake up call needed (Rosiky as a sub was not effective either)
Some say Mertesacker needs time. Just my limited assessment, too slow, not dominating in the air and simply not athletic enough.
The FB situation has reached crisis proportion and Squillaci is not good enough regardless where he plays (responsible for the second goal with a school boy error)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: elan on January 02, 2012, 07:42:05 PM
SMH......how terrible was that. Absolute Rec league defending on the play that led to the corner that brought the equalizer. It's seems Arsenal have great problem in marking roles when play switch sides, leading to open looks on the back post, both goals.  :-\

Their best holding midfielder was sent off unjustly... yuh didn't watch the whole match or what?  I not defending them, the loss helps my squad, but Senderos fouled Van Persie on a similar play in the first half and not even a foul was given.  Assuming the ref (Lee Probert ah think) was correct in calling a foul, there's no way that is a yellow card foul, let alone one that is deserving of a second yellow dismissal.  Fulham didn't do a whole lot up to that point... totally bossed the final 20 minutes with the man advantage.

Him being sent off had nothing to do with my observations. However, the sending off was an absolute joke of a call. Maybe a whistle  ???  However individual defending was poor all game. They weren't showing to much patience in trying to recover the ball.
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Post by: Bakes on January 02, 2012, 11:40:47 PM
Him being sent off had nothing to do with my observations. However, the sending off was an absolute joke of a call. Maybe a whistle  ???  However individual defending was poor all game. They weren't showing to much patience in trying to recover the ball.

Yuh doh think dem being reduced to 10 men impacted their defense? On that play?  Admittedly, Szeczesny needed to do better than that.
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Post by: mukumsplau on January 03, 2012, 07:59:05 AM
ppl quick to call arsenal a big side and u cant even hold out a match with 10-men? please..thats somthing all teams suppose to prepare for...
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Post by: JDB on January 03, 2012, 08:28:43 AM
Didn’t watch the game but I watch some fuzzy highlights late last night.

I was straining to figure out who was the Arsenal player who head it to Zamora because that was a deadly error. Then I check the teamsheet and figure it out…

Squilacci.

That man is poison for Arsenal.

Szcezny take the blame for the goal but his error was no worse than De Gea against Blackburn. Them young keepers just going to have that happen to them.

So far this Christmas period is a boon for Liverpool. Gerrrad come back, Bellamy remind Dalgliash that he is actually a good centre forward and everybody drop points. They fully in the hunt for 4th place now.
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Post by: palos on January 03, 2012, 03:42:35 PM
So far this Christmas period is a boon for Liverpool. Gerrrad come back, Bellamy remind Dalgliash that he is actually a good centre forward and everybody drop points. They fully in the hunt for 4th place now.

Obviously christmas done fuh Liverpool given today's performance  :devil:
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on January 09, 2012, 09:47:40 AM
What time is the Leeds game?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on January 09, 2012, 09:59:55 AM
What time is the Leeds game?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=fa+cup+fixtures
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on January 09, 2012, 01:57:48 PM
Fete match.
Squillaci on the field. Also Arshavin, Coquelin, Miquel, Oxlad-Chamberlain, Chamakh

Henry on the bench.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: triniairman on January 09, 2012, 02:11:18 PM
Fete match.
Squillaci on the field. Also Arshavin, Coquelin, Miquel, Oxlad-Chamberlain, Chamakh

Henry on the bench.
Looks like you all not taking Leeds serious with that line up. Don't sleep on them, these bastards poison us last year!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on January 09, 2012, 02:19:39 PM
Coquelin gone off with a hamstring injury. Replaced by some fella called Yennaris.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on January 09, 2012, 03:08:01 PM
Is all kinda ppl in the stands to see the return of Henry.

Beckham, Nasri!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on January 09, 2012, 03:10:34 PM
Henry comes on for Chamakh.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Blue on January 09, 2012, 03:20:17 PM
Goal - Henry
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on January 09, 2012, 03:20:25 PM
HENRY!!!!!!

Like he never left.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: elan on January 09, 2012, 03:21:55 PM
Class is Permanent...Scholes should ask Henry.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Blue on January 09, 2012, 03:22:17 PM
HENRY!!!!!!

Like he never left.

For real. Typical Henry finish. Great celebration as well. Kinda wish I had gone to the game now, that was a special moment  :beermug:
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Post by: D.H.W on January 09, 2012, 03:37:25 PM
Big player ! respect
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: dinho on January 09, 2012, 03:44:47 PM
And as the game finish, he ignores celebrating with his teammates to go over to the crowd to claim all the accolades for himself...

Yep.. Its like he never left.  ::)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on January 09, 2012, 03:50:03 PM
And as the game finish, he ignores celebrating with his teammates to go over to the crowd to claim all the accolades for himself...

Yep.. Its like he never left.  ::)

He teammates spend 75 minutes throwing away.  :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: D.H.W on January 09, 2012, 03:50:45 PM
watch before it gets taken down

http://www.youtube.com/v/1bPhiDGJckc
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: elan on January 09, 2012, 04:02:16 PM
And as the game finish, he ignores celebrating with his teammates to go over to the crowd to claim all the accolades for himself...

Yep.. Its like he never left.  ::)

It's not always about the forest, sometimes is about the trees.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: triniairman on January 09, 2012, 05:45:11 PM
Class is Permanent...Scholes should ask Henry.
Why? 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: soccerman on January 09, 2012, 09:48:18 PM
And as the game finish, he ignores celebrating with his teammates to go over to the crowd to claim all the accolades for himself...

Yep.. Its like he never left.  ::)

He was awarded the man of the match and in the post match interview he said it was a joke they voted him. He was sincere enough to state he did not deserve the recognition.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/video?video=channels/339821/1579135&cc=5901
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on January 10, 2012, 09:13:47 AM
And as the game finish, he ignores celebrating with his teammates to go over to the crowd to claim all the accolades for himself...

Yep.. Its like he never left.  ::)
And what was the first thing he did as he scored the goal?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on January 15, 2012, 11:30:27 AM
Every time Arsenal do something, Swansea responds.

And I was now coming to praise the through ball by Djourou. They real missing Arteta, Ramsey not doing the job.

As much as I keep pulling for Arshavin, but he doesn't even seem to be trying. Benayoun play like he Chelsea teammates tell him to keep Arsenal behind in the table.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: giggsy11 on January 15, 2012, 11:31:39 AM
Oh gorsh Arsenal, and a pullin fuh allyuh!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on January 15, 2012, 11:36:48 AM
Uh oh...
The Ox getting a run in the prem.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on January 15, 2012, 11:48:38 AM
When they get back to the dressing room, somebody need to hit Ramsey a clout.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Tenorsaw on January 15, 2012, 12:10:32 PM
Arsenal get out-knocked.  Cyar remember seeing a team come out of the Championship and play such good passing football from back to front.  They had Arsenal chasing shadows for long spells. 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on January 16, 2012, 08:00:04 AM
Arsenal will continue to struggle for years to come if they keep giving up goals. Already this year they have given up the same amout of goals as in the entire season of 2007-08 - 2008-09 (where they finish 3rd-4th).
Goals win matches! Correct! So if you giving them away to the opposition you will lose  ;D

another fact that it is quite obvious they lack too many footballers who show consistency. Ramsey, Walcott, Arshavin, Rosiky, Mertesacker to name a few. All could play in any team and contribute, but together on one team, I feel sorry for Song and RVP
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: dinho on January 16, 2012, 08:04:05 AM
I have a serious pet peeve with the amount of blame EPL coaches like to put on officiating for the reason behind their teams losing. Week in week out, we have managers looking at the video replay for marginal decisions and then shifting the blame onto the officials for unfavorable results.

Everyone watched Swansea put on the performance of their life yesterday, out-knocking Arsenal, dominating possession and looking better at them at their own brand. I don't think anyone can begrudge Swansea of a well deserved victory.

Yet Wenger is in the press conference complaining about a penalty awarded to Swansea for a foul on Dyer as the reason behind his team losing.

Now i could understand if this was a goal late in the second half, or if that goal radically changed the match or affected the course of the game. But Arsenal was already leading 1-0 and this was in the 20something minute of the first half. Ok so maybe it was a harsh decision, but at 1-1 with a whole match to play, how can this be an excuse for a big side like Arsenal losing 3-2 to a relative minnow like Swansea???

Better than that nuh Wenger, take yuh licks like ah man and be gracious in defeat. Don't blame the refs. Arsenal were totally outplayed by a side that showed much more heart. Steups.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on January 16, 2012, 08:34:21 AM
Dinho maybe you only saw part of the interview. At the press conference after the penalty complaint, Mr Wenger did say, quote . "Well done to Swansea," he said. "They played well and they deserved to win."
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: DeSoWa on January 16, 2012, 11:46:28 AM
Dinho maybe you only saw part of the interview. At the press conference after the penalty complaint, Mr Wenger did say, quote . "Well done to Swansea," he said. "They played well and they deserved to win."

Yuh studying Dinho? You know he is ah hater!  ;D Ah feel he making up for Sobrique absence!  ;)

Big Up!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on January 16, 2012, 01:06:35 PM
That's 3 away games out of the last 4 that lack of fullbacks cost Arsenal 3 points. This injury plague is killing us AGAIN!

Wenger, if you don't have the personnel for a style of play, change your style! Even if is temporary. All the opposition have to do is attack the fullbacks and they scoring.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on January 16, 2012, 01:07:42 PM
Dinho maybe you only saw part of the interview. At the press conference after the penalty complaint, Mr Wenger did say, quote . "Well done to Swansea," he said. "They played well and they deserved to win."

One sentence in his whole interview he talk bout the penalty yes!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on January 17, 2012, 02:32:01 PM
Tough game this weekend. Lack of fullbacks cost Arsenal 3 defeats in a month and Manure like to play with wingers. Sit deep and counter I say. If we were full strength I would be pretty optimistic about avenging the August result but too many missing players in defence. Doubt Vermaelen will be fully fit either. He and Song have to have big games. Walcott as well.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on January 20, 2012, 08:33:31 AM
arsenal fans calling for an attacking MF ( to replace Fab) who can contribute to the goal scoring.  Everyone talking about Gotze (including me), but his price may be over Arsenal's budget. Wenger should look at Lucas (Sao Paulo). This youth dynamic.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on January 20, 2012, 01:09:50 PM
Arsenal have more players injured than starting. WTF! Who left to play the game? this could be another embarrassment
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Cowen on January 20, 2012, 05:01:59 PM
arsenal fans calling for an attacking MF ( to replace Fab) who can contribute to the goal scoring.  Everyone talking about Gotze (including me), but his price may be over Arsenal's budget. Wenger should look at Lucas (Sao Paulo). This youth dynamic.

Goetze injured i believe (or heard on skysports). Chronic groin injury so it doh make sense buying another injury right now.

 :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on January 20, 2012, 05:08:07 PM
not to mention Gotze is one of the most highly rated players in the world.. only clubs he should even consider are United Barca Real
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on January 20, 2012, 06:27:32 PM
not to mention Gotze is one of the most highly rated players in the world.. only clubs he should even consider are United Barca Real

Man City, Inter, Milan, PSG, Bayern  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on January 20, 2012, 09:49:10 PM
not to mention Gotze is one of the most highly rated players in the world.. only clubs he should even consider are United Barca Real

Man City, Inter, Milan, PSG, Bayern  ;D

once Arsenal not on the list  :P
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on January 22, 2012, 12:35:14 PM
I read where Wenger uses a computer program (gps system) to tell him when players are reaching the maximum output. He makes subs based on this information. Well sometimes going with your gut experience is the order of the day. Chamberlin was arguably Arsenal's best attacking threat and in no way looked like he was fading. The player who was fading was Ramsey & the computer should have told him something (anything) about Walcott, because in my limited knowledge, I cannot see why he plays every game.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Peong on January 22, 2012, 10:11:19 PM
Still weak.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on January 23, 2012, 09:13:59 AM
Seriously. WTF Wenger?!? Arsenal had no business losing that game. A string of missed sitters before Ox got benched. But that boy have to get more playing time. Seriously.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: dinho on January 23, 2012, 09:19:39 AM
Wenger rhell keeping de Ox in cotton wool...

Even Van Persie was cussing when he get sub. He look good.. should have stayed on, that sub cost them the match.
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Post by: Andre on January 23, 2012, 09:36:16 AM
word on the street was that edin hazard was at the match.

another wenger signing from ligue 1?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on January 23, 2012, 10:49:20 AM
It have a facebook group called Trini gunners and I swear men firmly believe that something wrong with Wenger   ...  arsharvin to me is like Almunia and schillaci ... it's a bad omen for them to be on the pitch ... cut your losses and sell the f**k.  He's 30 giggs is 38 and giggs there battling!!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on January 23, 2012, 10:51:33 AM
word on the street was that edin hazard was at the match.

another wenger signing from ligue 1?

The fans just boo Wenger because of his decisions .. would you sign with that team?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on January 27, 2012, 04:36:14 PM
not to mention Gotze is one of the most highly rated players in the world.. only clubs he should even consider are United Barca Real the ones playing in the Champions League

Fixed it!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: giggsy11 on January 29, 2012, 10:37:05 AM
As much as I admire Arsene Wenger, I think he is to inflexiable with his thinking when it comes to his players. It appears that he feels because he had success with certain players when he palyed them in positions that were they did not originally played he feels he can do that with current players. Asharvin, Walcott and Nasir come to mind. Not everyone is a Lunberg, Henry, or Robert Pires. I think he ruined and exposed Asharvin by playing him on the wing, and Nasir is not a winger. He wants hi players to be flexible but he is not when it comes to playing to his players' strengths.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on January 29, 2012, 11:11:37 AM
Ramsay real pullin stones eh.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on January 29, 2012, 11:17:16 AM
Talk about Luck!

I was now cussin Walcott for not cutting it back, and he get a goal from nothing. He ent even know what happen dey. 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on January 29, 2012, 11:20:47 AM
Villa loss the plot.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on January 29, 2012, 11:33:15 AM
Ramsay is Arsene new love child. I would have pull him off instead of Rosicky. At least he better than Denilson was.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on January 30, 2012, 11:11:59 PM
Ramsay is Arsene new love child. I would have pull him off instead of Rosicky. At least he better than Denilson was.
Being better than Denilson ent no big achievement.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: morvant on January 31, 2012, 06:45:11 AM
 :bs: i love ramsey
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on January 31, 2012, 08:06:46 AM
:bs: i love ramsey

Ramsey bun and it shows. He have skills, but he pulling stones right now. He might get a rest when/if Wilshire and Diaby return. 
You can also see that the Ox is not fully integrated into the Arsenal system yet, exciting player, but not quite on the same wavelength. (which might not be a bad thing)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 01, 2012, 08:01:57 AM
:bs: i love ramsey

Ramsey bun and it shows. He have skills, but he pulling stones right now. He might get a rest when/if Wilshire and Diaby return. 
You can also see that the Ox is not fully integrated into the Arsenal system yet, exciting player, but not quite on the same wavelength. (which might not be a bad thing)

I have to say second half Ramsey real improve. I hope it continues. We need him now. Wilshere probably out for the season. And doh even talk to meh bout Diaby.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on February 04, 2012, 07:45:07 AM
Feed the ox!

This was beginning to look like another typical arsenal game. Blackburn had 1 shot all game and score to tie it up. But Arsenal actually manage to respond.

Rosicky get the start ahead of Ramsey, who has been pulling stones for a few games well.

And a red card for Givet! Arsenal might run away with this one now.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on February 04, 2012, 08:39:22 AM
6-1 now.
Paul Robinson has not made a single save. Every shot on frame has gone in.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on February 04, 2012, 08:56:42 AM
Henry scores!

That was going way wide and take a deflection. I think the dubious goals committee might give that as an own goal.

7-1
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Cowen on February 04, 2012, 12:09:37 PM
Henry scores!

That was going way wide and take a deflection. I think the dubious goals committee might give that as an own goal.

7-1

I bet Henry outscore Torres for the season ..... :rotfl:
 :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Peong on February 11, 2012, 10:49:47 AM
I don't believe Henry just did that.

Check out how Arshavin measure and execute it.  Well done.

Rosicky just make a good tackle, man real wuk dis game.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on February 11, 2012, 10:52:33 AM
I was coming to post after Mertesacker went down that the only luck Arsenal have is bad luck, but they put together a nice fight back here.

Henry is a boss!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on February 11, 2012, 10:56:44 AM
Now watch them lose to Sunderland in the FA Cup...  :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on February 11, 2012, 01:56:26 PM
After the results today, Arsenal end up in 4th place.  ???
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on February 15, 2012, 02:26:53 PM
This could get ugly. Arsenal looking slow and behind the play.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on February 15, 2012, 02:31:21 PM
This could get ugly. Arsenal looking slow and behind the play.

yep! Way too slow. Arsenal out their weight class so far.  Poor midfield defending! Milan playing one pass and the Milan front men are through turned and attacking the back 4.
Ramsey looks like he is carrying a piano on his back, why he get the playmaker role when Rosiky was doing so well in that position???
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on February 15, 2012, 02:32:11 PM
Djourou on for Koscielny. Ugly is joke...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: D.H.W on February 15, 2012, 02:44:00 PM
like alyuh have Jet Lag? Enjoy the ride , i have Europa league to watch tomorrow  :-\
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on February 15, 2012, 02:56:53 PM
After all the ole talk about how he doh like to play left back, Vermalen is having a terrible game.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on February 15, 2012, 03:02:39 PM
55 min not one shot from Arsenal. No penetration wide, no crosses, no service to front men
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on February 15, 2012, 03:25:48 PM
I was beginning to wonder if Djourou would let me down. But a nice dive by Ibrahimovic bring him back into the game.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Andre on February 15, 2012, 03:26:27 PM
4-0

ah didn't expect such licks
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: mukumsplau on February 15, 2012, 03:49:41 PM
4-0

ah didn't expect such licks

u didnt? i did...after seeing arsenal play tripe in d epl for a while now this season..plus man for man theyre lightweight
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Toppa on February 15, 2012, 04:12:40 PM
Like Arsenal 4got how to play football. They shoulda just 4feit de match.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on February 15, 2012, 06:03:58 PM
madness.. didnt see that coming.. lord fada they have Milan fans thinking they can win the CL

Wenger has turned into a coward.. cant believe he didnt go with OX

Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Peong on February 15, 2012, 06:25:02 PM
Prince light up Arsenal like a chrristmas tree.  What a goal  :notworthy:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Peong on February 18, 2012, 12:11:41 PM
Oh boy, Sunderland lead 1-0.

The Ox with an unfortunate own-goal.  Sunderland lead 2-0 in the 77th.

Arsenal look like they've found their early-season form again.  :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on February 18, 2012, 01:08:50 PM
Now watch them lose to Sunderland in the FA Cup...  :devil:

I does take requests...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on February 18, 2012, 01:12:48 PM
Out played really. Possession stats deceiving as players pass negative or square and take no risk. One shot on net in 90minutes tells it all. It was the same at Milan.
Cannot paper over the cracks and in general lack quality footballers.

Well played Sunderland.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: D.H.W on February 18, 2012, 01:56:28 PM
Arsenal loss?  Again?
 ::)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Toppa on February 18, 2012, 06:58:38 PM
Arsenal loss?  Again?
 ::)

 :D

You does crack me up yes.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: grimm01 on February 18, 2012, 07:49:25 PM
At this point why would RVP choose to stay with this circus? smh
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: ckhan on February 18, 2012, 07:52:28 PM
Seven years and still no title,  :banginghead:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: D.H.W on February 18, 2012, 08:56:54 PM
Seven years and still no title,  :banginghead:

 :whistling: i feel yuh pain (Not really)   :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: ckhan on February 19, 2012, 09:31:00 AM
...and we play spuds n/w....geeze
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: giggsy11 on February 26, 2012, 08:20:31 AM
Wake up Arsenal people! All yuh missing Van Persie magic!Plus Arshavin gone!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: PantherX on February 26, 2012, 09:15:39 AM
We deserve what we get today.  Well played.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: giggsy11 on February 26, 2012, 09:25:40 AM
Well done Arsenal-keep Chelski in the rear view mirror!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: ckhan on February 26, 2012, 11:41:14 AM
Nice win. Was really impressed with the midfield closing down the spaces..hell even Walcott put in a tackle or two!!  On to Liverpool n/w.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: fari on February 26, 2012, 03:27:10 PM
  great win today...def what we needed going in to the milan game.  rosicky was my MOM today...he reallll balll.  walcott stepped up today...de lil boo he get 1st half work wonders.


p.s.  alyuh we have a trini gunners group on fb...look for it...we done discuss walcott ad nauseam on there today
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bakes on February 26, 2012, 09:25:11 PM
  great win today...def what we needed going in to the milan game.  rosicky was my MOM today...he reallll balll.  walcott stepped up today...de lil boo he get 1st half work wonders.

I only see the middle portion of the match when Arsenal equalized then grabbed the lead.  Rosicky was all over midfield for Arsenal... I remember thinking to myself what a fantastic player this man is when healthy.  Score was 3-2, I get up to make some breakfast and peep back and it was 5-2 juss so.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: dinho on February 27, 2012, 07:39:41 AM
Good win.. Performance of the season.

Should make a good distraction for another trophyless season and probably even give Arsenal excuse not to invest in the team in the summer for about the 5th year running.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: dinho on February 27, 2012, 08:55:12 AM
Like i said, the main goal of Arsenal football club is to turn a profit not to win trophies.


Gunners post big profits

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1028118/arsenal-post-six-month-pre-tax-profits-of-L49.5m?cc=3888 (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1028118/arsenal-post-six-month-pre-tax-profits-of-L49.5m?cc=3888)

Arsenal's decision to sell Cesc Fabregas and Samir Nasri helped them report a huge pre-tax profit of £49.5 million for the six months to the end of November.

Arsenal, who lost £6.1 million over the same period in 2010, might have made only a small profit but for the controversial departures of Fabregas and Nasri last summer for a reported £54 million.

Arsenal enjoyed an overall profit on player trading of £46.1 million, having made a loss of £5.9 million the previous year.

They made £63 million overall in player sales, while there was an investment of £74.7 million in new arrivals and contract extensions, the cost of both being spread evenly over the length of an individual's deal.

Arsenal's cash reserves also swelled to £115.2 million, up from £110.4 million, with their turnover from football rising to £113.5 million from £97.6 million.

Chairman Peter Hill-Wood told the club's official website: "We are proud of Arsenal's record and consistency over many seasons and have the foundations in place, at every level of the club, to ensure we remain a force in the seasons ahead.''

Chief executive Ivan Gazidis said: "It's important to acknowledge that the most important thing for this football club, the most important thing for our fans, and the most important thing for the board and the people that work at the club is how we do on the pitch.

"We have a healthy cash balance of £115million for the half year. But it's important to understand that not all that money's available to invest in transfers. We have running costs of the club, player salaries and so on, so that amount goes down during the year.

"We also have to keep something in reserve in case things don't go our way. There is money available, we don't talk about an exact figure - and there's a very good reason why we don't put an exact figure on that - because it would impact on our negotiating position.

"We have to invest efficiently, we have to invest sensibly. We do spend all of the money we generate - we do invest it in the squad. That doesn't mean we get every decision right - we don't. But we do get the majority of them right and that's been one of the secrets of Arsenal's success over a long period of time.

"I'm convinced we have the funds to be able to compete at the top of the game. Football clubs are moving towards more sustainable models. UEFA is mandating that they do that and they're doing it any way. The results when some clubs live outside their means can be disastrous.

"We can't gear our entire financial model around that - that expectation - because that would place the club in jeopardy if we didn't qualify. So we've always got to keep something in reserve in case things don't go our way.''

Finishing outside the top four would make Arsenal a less attractive club to current and potential players.

Gazidis said: "There are very few clubs in the world that you would go to ahead of Arsenal in terms of consistently being there. I don't see that adversely impacting on our ability to attract players or retain the top players that we have.''
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: fari on February 27, 2012, 02:06:19 PM
 dinho so what wrong with turning a lil profit...we ent have no russian sugar daddy to back we up
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Post by: Bitter on February 27, 2012, 07:04:51 PM
I now watching this game. The pace is unbelievable. Vermalen not covering himself in glory and 1st half all Walcott doing is running.

This is the first time I think we're seeing the preferred Arsenal lineup. Only Wilshire missing. Sagna look like he back in the flow of the game (vs milan he was woeful), and I saying for weeks now, Rosicky should play ahead of Ramsey. I know spurs tactics all wrong, but this is like a throwback to the invincibles era for Arsenal. Speed, knock, thrust, direct.
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Post by: Deeks on February 27, 2012, 07:13:47 PM
I saw the game and Arsenal to me played the same way the have played all season, attack and finesse fotball. This time they scored more than the other team. They did not miss goals like the last couple games.  Funny how some people praising Venger when it seemed like he is or was on his way out. There is a fine line between a hero and a goat. All I have to say is that the Arsenal board have real faith and patience for Wenger. Teflon Arsene!!!!
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Post by: Bitter on February 27, 2012, 07:36:06 PM
Nah, I think this game is closer to the 1st Barca game last year, when they were just tuned in and working hard on offense and defense. They take it up a notch. To me the biggest difference between classic arsenal and new arsenal, is that classic arsenal used to speed up the game when they were down. Same knock, just faster. New arsenal just keep passing, and then does get ketch on some craziness in the back (like the Saha goal).

And Vermalen pull real stones in this game too eh.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 29, 2012, 11:40:08 AM
Nah, I think this game is closer to the 1st Barca game last year, when they were just tuned in and working hard on offense and defense. They take it up a notch. To me the biggest difference between classic arsenal and new arsenal, is that classic arsenal used to speed up the game when they were down. Same knock, just faster. New arsenal just keep passing, and then does get ketch on some craziness in the back (like the Saha goal).

And Vermalen pull real stones in this game too eh.

Think Vermaelen did ok after the first half hour. He struggled at first but then Sp*rs were playing 2 strikers so the defence was exposed.
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Post by: giggsy11 on March 03, 2012, 08:01:53 AM
I love Van Persie and Cavani, I think they are the two best strikers today. The thing I like about Van Persie is he put in work to become a better all round player and appears to have matured as a person also. He can now beat you with his left, right and his head. He also has a football brain in addition to his pure physical skills. Top class!

PS:It seems like the International friendlies were the worst thing tuh happen to Arsenal after their nice showing against Spurs. Dem fellas playing like they forget dey brains and legs on the plain or on the pitch they were playing on.
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Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on March 03, 2012, 08:51:46 AM
The man is and always was quality.. just injuries etc stalled his stardom...  I would rather Arsenal get 4th than Chelsea but I want United to sign VP and I think if Arsenal were to come 5th he may leave and United would have a shot.. If he went to Barca/Real fine, he's out of England .. but I can already see the Rooney VP combo haha... watch this space should Arsenal come 5th
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Post by: giggsy11 on March 03, 2012, 08:53:35 AM
Van Persi embarrasses another goalie first post!  ;D
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Post by: Peong on March 03, 2012, 10:18:16 AM
Best player in the EPL.  Now watch Arsenal do their best to lose him.
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Post by: fari on March 03, 2012, 11:53:43 AM
that was a horrow show today...lordddd    sczesny earn his pay today though.    rvp is class, pure class.  club needs to do all in their power to keep him this summer.     still delirious from the game :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel:
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Post by: ckhan on March 03, 2012, 12:31:00 PM
We stole one today. Thank goodness for RvP, Sczesny and the last post!! 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on March 03, 2012, 01:06:09 PM
That 2nd Van Persie goal was unbelievable. That fella have laser sights on he foot.
I think we might actually be seeing Arsenal turn the corner, play crap and still win, that is the sign of a true contender.
Arsenal hadda break the bank to keep him, though, with Arsenal's luck, he would get injured in the Euros and be out for 6 months.

Diaby need a bush bath, prayers, ah rub down with bay rum or limacol, something!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on March 03, 2012, 01:55:22 PM
That 2nd Van Persie goal was unbelievable. That fella have laser sights on he foot.
I think we might actually be seeing Arsenal turn the corner, play crap and still win, that is the sign of a true contender.
Arsenal hadda break the bank to keep him, though, with Arsenal's luck, he would get injured in the Euros and be out for 6 months.

Diaby need a bush bath, prayers, ah rub down with bay rum or limacol, something!

I dont believe its a money issue. Arsenal pays very well, I read where Fabragas is actually making slightly less at Barca (I cannot confirm this). Wenger will have to get them in CL and let him know he intends to buy some quality players who can make an immediate impact.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 05, 2012, 10:45:20 AM
Real smash and grab win this weekend boy! Liverpool play all over us but they need a better strike partner for Suarez. That club continues to demonstrate that spending big money is not always the answer.

We need another "big" striker who has the ability to play wide. Podolski is the talk and I would happily take that. Honestly I don't think RVP would leave over money. I mean, he deserves a big pay rise but he would probably stay at Arsenal for less money than City would offer him. It's very obvious how much he feels for the club. If we don't seem to be making positive steps towards getting silverware this summer, that's another story. One of the top 5 strikers in the world and all he has is an FA Cup to his name.

I want a strong showing against Milan. Probably not enough to overcome that shambolic display in San Siro but we need to at least show the world Milan ent no 4 goals better than The Arsenal. A thoroughly convincing victory required.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on March 05, 2012, 12:04:31 PM
Milan is my team and we have a history of complacency
Blew a 4-1 lead in the second leg to Deportivo
We lost a final from 3-0 up to Liverpool
Lost 4-0 to United under Leonardo

However, in present form, I would say no chance to Arsenal pulling off anything but a moral victory
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Andre on March 06, 2012, 02:05:45 PM
arsenal up 1-0 on milan.

three more to go to force extra time.

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Post by: rickstaa on March 06, 2012, 02:09:11 PM
arsenal up 1-0 on milan.

three more to go to force extra time.


any links
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: D.H.W on March 06, 2012, 02:12:12 PM
arsenal have fight in them ? shocking !!! 2-0
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Andre on March 06, 2012, 02:17:33 PM
shocking indeed!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: D.H.W on March 06, 2012, 02:28:51 PM
pENALTY!  :o
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: giggsy11 on March 06, 2012, 02:31:59 PM
I aint go lie, I like this Arsenal side this year and I am pullin for dem tuh make some in roads in the CL and also make top four. They have shown great resiliency this year and I like and respect them for that. Hats off tuh Arsene Wenger! Now win this game; Milan is shite!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Andre on March 06, 2012, 02:33:44 PM
3-0

WDMC?

of course, if milan just get one is a different scene.

i go have to watch this tonight.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: DeSoWa on March 06, 2012, 02:34:29 PM
Impossible is Nothing! Just Do It!

This game is playing at break neck pace by Arsenal! Can they keep it up in the 2nd half?

Let's do this!

Big Up!
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Post by: kaliman2006 on March 06, 2012, 02:40:57 PM
Buh wah de arse is this?

Where is the vaunted Italian defence?

Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: giggsy11 on March 06, 2012, 02:50:27 PM
Sorry Gary, but it is better to read you than to hear you speak! And Song finally find a hairstyle dat suite him!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: kaliman2006 on March 06, 2012, 03:02:41 PM
Oh gorsh. Robin jess miss the equalizer right dey!

Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Peong on March 06, 2012, 03:26:05 PM
Arsenal real close now.

Song with a rubbish pass with 3-4 men in support on the counter.  That was shocking.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: kaliman2006 on March 06, 2012, 03:37:42 PM
Arsenal real close now.

So close, but yet so far. Milan wins 4-3 on aggregate. Hard luck Arsenal. Van Persie should have put away that chance.

But then again, Milan had chances to score also.

That's football.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: D.H.W on March 06, 2012, 03:38:34 PM
Alyuh rel like to play with Alyuh food dread.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on March 06, 2012, 03:47:07 PM
Great performance and moral victory. Excellent first half to watch.
Last 20 minutes Arsenal bun in MF, (Rosiky, Song, Gervinho) and losing the Ox eh help.
Gervinho like the occassion was too much for him, he did nothing in attack and did not help defensively.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Deeks on March 06, 2012, 05:40:10 PM
Arsenal is a real kekyll and Hyde team, pardner.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Sam on March 06, 2012, 07:36:04 PM
Alex Song to slow for Arsenal team and Gervinho and Park Chu-Young eh know what to do. Gervinho had some fight in him though, but should have been sub.

Alex Song does win ball but is ah stupid footballer.

Walcott is the fastest player I ever see but he does fraid to pull de trigger.

Why didn't Benayoun and Arteta play ?

Szczęsny, Chamberlain, Sagna, Van Persie and Rosický is just pure class.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: dinho on March 06, 2012, 07:58:18 PM
Great, great effort by Arsenal today but the lack of depth kill them in the end...

If they had but one or two speedy players on the bench they would have had Milan to hang but when Chamberlain get roast and Van Bommel take out Walcott, they run out of options. From the time i see Chamakh coming on i realize is a dire state of affairs.

The only way to beat Milan was with speed, and that is what Ox and Walcott was providing. They kill that Mesbah fellah out there.

On another note, this Milan side have a real history of flaking out. Deportivo La Coruna and the CL final immediately come to mind. Also, as soon as the pressure set in notice how Ibrahimovic went AWOL again. I can't see them winning the CL depending on him.

Great game for the neutral and Arsenal can take alot of credit from what they did today.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 08, 2012, 10:43:01 AM
Dunno if is true but he is exactly what we need.:

Arsenal in talks for £11 million Lukasz Podolski move
Arsenal are in negotiations with Cologne over an £11 million deal that would make Lukasz Podolski, the Germany striker, their first major signing of the summer.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/9130827/Arsenal-in-talks-for-11-million-Lukasz-Podolski-move.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/9130827/Arsenal-in-talks-for-11-million-Lukasz-Podolski-move.html)

By Jeremy Wilson

Podolski has clearly indicated that he wants to join Arsenal at the end of the season and, with his contract at Cologne ending in 2013, the club is ready to sell this summer.

Talks on a fee are ongoing and, although it was reported yesterday by German newspaper Bild that a deal has been completed, sources at Arsenal have insisted that this is premature.

Although there is a sense that Cologne would still like to create an auction and push the price to around £15 million, there is also growing confidence that Podolski will eventually join Per Mertesacker in moving from the Bundesliga to Arsenal this summer.

"He has been very interested in the past few weeks and has sent me a number of text messages," said Mertesacker.

"I've told him that this is a great place to work and that Arsenal are an amazing club. Nothing has been agreed yet, though, and Lukas hasn't given me a ring yet."

Arsène Wenger, meanwhile, is facing the prospect of a third Uefa touchline ban in a year after being charged with improper conduct for his behaviour after Arsenal’s Champions League exit against AC Milan.

Wenger was visibly furious at the final whistle and became embroiled in a heated argument with referee Damir Skomina in the tunnel after the game.

It is alleged that Wenger swore at the Slovenian official and called his performance "a disgrace".

It is understood that the outburst took place in front of a Uefa delegate and the incident was included in Skomina's report of Arsenal’s 3-0 victory.

Uefa's control and disciplinary panel is expected to meet to consider Wenger's conduct on March 29.

It is potentially significant that the panel will take into account Wenger’s disciplinary record, which has seen him serve touchline bans for three of Arsenal’s 10 Champions League games this season.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 08, 2012, 10:47:50 AM
A real shame Arsenal didn't play like that in Milan. Oh well. hope this inspires them to do better. Now for third place.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on March 12, 2012, 02:16:43 PM
The best and worst of Arsenal in 30 seconds.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: giggsy11 on March 12, 2012, 03:54:30 PM
Yes Arsenal-resiliency will win you fans! Keep Chelski in the rear view mirror!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Cantona007 on March 12, 2012, 03:54:46 PM
This team is becoming the real deal...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: DeSoWa on March 12, 2012, 04:11:21 PM
 ;D That's all! lol

Big Up!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: fari on March 12, 2012, 04:19:19 PM
big, big win!!!!   waste time now krul!!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: dinho on March 12, 2012, 04:28:27 PM
Hmph... Like Chelsea will have to take this CL spot from Spurs and not Arsenal.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 12, 2012, 05:22:40 PM
Finally Arsenal have the belly to match their skill. Finish the season well Gunners. Get another big striker, offload some of the dead weight and win titles next year.
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Post by: Bourbon on March 12, 2012, 09:15:31 PM
Finally Arsenal have the belly to match their skill. Finish the season well Gunners. Get another big striker, offload some of the dead weight and win titles next year.

Finally.


But one swallow does not a summer make.

Keep this gumption up next season doh...and it would be great
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 13, 2012, 10:03:05 AM
Finally Arsenal have the belly to match their skill. Finish the season well Gunners. Get another big striker, offload some of the dead weight and win titles next year.

Finally.


But one swallow does not a summer make.

Keep this gumption up next season doh...and it would be great

True dat.  :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 13, 2012, 10:04:05 AM
big, big win!!!!   waste time now krul!!!!

 :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: asylumseeker on March 13, 2012, 10:22:18 AM
big, big win!!!!   waste time now krul!!!!

Preserving the tradition ... The Dutch sure know how to sow the seeds of internal discord in a big competition year. Euro 2012 here we come. Brownsugar, yuh ready?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 13, 2012, 12:58:45 PM
big, big win!!!!   waste time now krul!!!!

Preserving the tradition ... The Dutch sure know how to sow the seeds of internal discord in a big competition year. Euro 2012 here we come. Brownsugar, yuh ready?

Krul not starting in front of Stekelenburg.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 22, 2012, 09:54:09 AM
A somewhat fortunate win yesterday. Everton should have had a goal but we should have had a penalty. Third place now. Looking down on Sp*rs like we supposed to be! Hold this spot till May, buy Podolski in June and reload!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: giggsy11 on April 08, 2012, 08:40:45 AM
No Silva for Citeh today! Bury dem Arsenal! RVP with a hattrick today!

All those goals that Citeh has supposedly  scored Arsenal has scored more goals per match than Citeh!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: D.H.W on April 08, 2012, 08:48:57 AM
Come on you Gunners , get them Cannons ready!!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bourbon on April 08, 2012, 09:10:17 AM
Come on arsenal!

I hear dey use all kinda new training methods for dis game. Example below:


http://www.youtube.com/v/1U_551oTTcg
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: giggsy11 on April 08, 2012, 09:13:57 AM
Just the way he presenting like he doh want tuh be out dey ,ah feel Balotelli will get send off today.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on April 08, 2012, 09:20:25 AM
Vermalen unscore the damn goal...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on April 08, 2012, 09:21:15 AM
Just the way he presenting like he doh want tuh be out dey ,ah feel Balotelli will get send off today.

How he ent get one there, I don't know.
Sub he one time.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: kaliman2006 on April 08, 2012, 09:40:14 AM
Balotelli is very lucky to still be on the pitch.

He has to be subbed at halftime, hopefully before the referee orders him to leave the game.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: D.H.W on April 08, 2012, 09:53:52 AM
wth wrong with balloballs? they should ban his ass for a few games
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: kaliman2006 on April 08, 2012, 10:38:04 AM
Vermalen unscore the damn goal...

He just unscore two goals. Wow.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: D.H.W on April 08, 2012, 10:39:55 AM
Arsenal want to lose this game.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Cantona007 on April 08, 2012, 10:40:50 AM
Arsenal needs to be more ruthless! They might regret all that wastefulness.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on April 08, 2012, 10:48:18 AM
Cry now!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: D.H.W on April 08, 2012, 10:48:22 AM
Sweet forking strike son.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: kaliman2006 on April 08, 2012, 10:48:48 AM
Arteta scores a long, long overdue goal for Arsenal.

For me, the final nail in Man City's coffin as far as its title charge is concerned.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on April 08, 2012, 10:50:51 AM
Send him off!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: D.H.W on April 08, 2012, 10:52:32 AM
Hahaha. It good, what a imps
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: kaliman2006 on April 08, 2012, 10:53:40 AM
City's collapse reminds me of Newcastle's own back in the mid-90s.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on April 08, 2012, 10:54:28 AM
Mancini doing his best Wenger impersonation.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on April 08, 2012, 10:56:32 AM
WDF Ramsay!
Give that to Van Persie!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: D.H.W on April 08, 2012, 10:57:03 AM
Thanks for the trophy Arsenal. Well played.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Mr Fix-it on April 08, 2012, 11:00:15 AM
Thanks for the trophy Arsenal. Well played.
:devil: :devil: :devil: :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: kaliman2006 on April 08, 2012, 11:00:39 AM
WDF Ramsay!
Give that to Van Persie!

That miss was indeed quite shocking.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Cantona007 on April 08, 2012, 11:05:12 AM
We are all Arsenal fans today...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: soccerman on April 08, 2012, 11:07:37 AM
WDF Ramsay!
Give that to Van Persie!

That miss was indeed quite shocking.

I felt he wanted to kill time by placing it in the stands because that shoulda been in the back of the net!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: soccerman on April 08, 2012, 11:13:32 AM
As much as Balotelli is a head case that second yellow was harsh, it was indeed a foul but the yellow was unnecessary.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Mango Chow! on April 08, 2012, 11:13:45 AM
good win, arsenal....congrats, manu, both teams did you favours today.  As much as Balotelli may have ben part of city's problems today, their biggest problem was more their own midfield than he was.  Yes, he shoulda get cardd for that stud-up challenge on song, but any other tackle he made today was standard for the EPL. He still show more fight to me than most of his teammates.  Arguero and Milner gave away that ball about 15 times today, at some crucial moments.  Give arsenal credit for pressing, but some of their bad passing and mistrapping was suicidal.  Pizzaro gih way d ball and Lescott jes' ease orff Arteta and brakes from d shot.  Hart had absolutely NO chance.  Once again, congrats manu (since arsenal fans today prove to be one and the same with manu fans)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Mango Chow! on April 08, 2012, 11:15:21 AM
As much as Balotelli is a head case that second yellow was harsh, it was indeed a foul but the yellow was unnecessary.

 Is really sagna dat give Balo dat red second yellow card, not de ref. 
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Post by: Observer on April 08, 2012, 11:18:58 AM
Goood second half Arsenal. well played well deserved :applause:

City spend some more money  :clown:'s
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bakes on April 08, 2012, 11:31:36 AM
As much as Balotelli is a head case that second yellow was harsh, it was indeed a foul but the yellow was unnecessary.

Card was some b.s.... and the idiot commentator went in on Balotelli saying it was a "stupid" foul.  When they show the replay, he blame Sagna for making a meal of it w/o retracting what he said about Balotelli.  I only saw the last 20 mins so don't know what Balo did the rest of the game, but there were allusions to altercations etc.  Maybe the second yellow was for repeated infractions, I dunno.

City screwed the pooch... they more or less left the title on a platter for United now.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: giggsy11 on April 08, 2012, 03:13:33 PM
De Gea would have saved that! ;D Well done Arsenal!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on April 10, 2012, 01:59:58 PM
As much as Balotelli is a head case that second yellow was harsh, it was indeed a foul but the yellow was unnecessary.

Balo was looking for a sending off whole game. He did enough to get sent off twice. No regrets about his card. If you want to get on like a jackass you look for your troubles. I feel sorry for the man as a player who wasting his tremendous ability but he got EXACTLY what he deserved.

Great win and fully deserved. Arsenal were by far the better side and should have destroyed City long before Arteta had to scrape a win. Time to see the season out comfortably and tune up the side in the Summer.

By the way, RVP hasn't scored in 4 games and we have won 3. Still a 1 man team?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on April 10, 2012, 04:29:43 PM
Just an observation but since Mertesacker get injured Arsenal seems to be rolling along and defending better :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Mango Chow! on April 10, 2012, 04:58:20 PM
As much as Balotelli is a head case that second yellow was harsh, it was indeed a foul but the yellow was unnecessary.

Balo was looking for a sending off whole game. He did enough to get sent off twice. No regrets about his card. If you want to get on like a jackass you look for your troubles. I feel sorry for the man as a player who wasting his tremendous ability but he got EXACTLY what he deserved.

Great win and fully deserved. Arsenal were by far the better side and should have destroyed City long before Arteta had to scrape a win. Time to see the season out comfortably and tune up the side in the Summer.

By the way, RVP hasn't scored in 4 games and we have won 3. Still a 1 man team?

  Iceman, ah hadda disagree wit yuh on dat.  He coulda and shoulda get sent off fuh d kick on song....but come on....even the commentators that was killin' him, pointed out (to their credit) that sagna was making a meal of every tackle that Balotelli was putting in.  Even jamie rednkapp acknowledged that on the first yellow "...you can't really blame hime for going for the ball there"....and most seem to agree that the second yellow, while was a foul, was a bit harsh to deem it a yellow card one. 
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on April 10, 2012, 08:20:13 PM
As much as Balotelli is a head case that second yellow was harsh, it was indeed a foul but the yellow was unnecessary.

Balo was looking for a sending off whole game. He did enough to get sent off twice. No regrets about his card. If you want to get on like a jackass you look for your troubles. I feel sorry for the man as a player who wasting his tremendous ability but he got EXACTLY what he deserved.

Great win and fully deserved. Arsenal were by far the better side and should have destroyed City long before Arteta had to scrape a win. Time to see the season out comfortably and tune up the side in the Summer.

By the way, RVP hasn't scored in 4 games and we have won 3. Still a 1 man team?

  Iceman, ah hadda disagree wit yuh on dat.  He coulda and shoulda get sent off fuh d kick on song....but come on....even the commentators that was killin' him, pointed out (to their credit) that sagna was making a meal of every tackle that Balotelli was putting in.  Even jamie rednkapp acknowledged that on the first yellow "...you can't really blame hime for going for the ball there"....and most seem to agree that the second yellow, while was a foul, was a bit harsh to deem it a yellow card one. 

Maybe it was a harsh 2nd yellow On top of his persistent fouling (even if some of them were "soft" fouls), it wasn't harsh. He didn't get anywhere near the ball. He just take out Sagna legs. Sagna didn't make a meal of it. I have seen those not given but a booking was perfectly fair. Also, a deliberate handball when he was on a yellow. He look for it. Got what he deserved. Like I said he did enough to get sent off at least twice. Balo ent no innocent choirboy.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on April 16, 2012, 02:49:28 PM
I find allyuh quiet...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: FF on April 16, 2012, 02:54:43 PM
Ha ha ha

Wigan doing it again... this lat minute survival thing, is de trini influence or wha?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: D.H.W on April 16, 2012, 03:01:14 PM
 :clown:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on April 16, 2012, 03:02:14 PM
well deserved Wigan well deserved!  :applause:

Walcott, Walcott, Walcott!!! Arsenal played with 10 and when Gervinho came on 9.
The sub in the first place should have been Chamberlin, with the intention to come down the left.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on April 21, 2012, 09:14:29 AM
Talk about a shit game today, they shpild give everyone back their money & fine both teams.
Ramsey stats today 24 passes 30 give away  ::)
Gervinho needs to try ah ting, get rid of that hairdo, do something!

Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on April 26, 2012, 02:13:38 PM
I find allyuh quiet...

Since they form the Trini Gunners facebook group this thread dead. I does just come to check it once in a while.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on April 27, 2012, 07:35:36 AM
Man just leave the SW Site just so. Ah well so Trini love go.

Wenger shopping list to keep Van Persie should be Loriente, Vidale, and Hummels.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: D.H.W on April 27, 2012, 07:50:33 AM
LOL , some fans alyuh fans  ::)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: DeSoWa on April 27, 2012, 09:54:20 AM
LOL , some fans alyuh fans  ::)

Don't you have a game on Monday to worry bout?  :devil:

Big Up!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: D.H.W on April 27, 2012, 11:01:58 AM
 :'(
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Mr Fix-it on April 27, 2012, 01:48:44 PM
LOL , some fans alyuh fans  ::)

Don't you have a game on Monday to worry bout?  :devil:

Big Up!

BWTMC jus so :rotfl: :beermug: :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Mango Chow! on April 28, 2012, 12:47:05 AM
I find allyuh quiet...

Since they form the Trini Gunners facebook group this thread dead. I does just come to check it once in a while.

Good move....men go cyah come on allyuh page trollin' like dey does like to do on here....dey go hadda actually join de group and "like" arsenal to do dat!  :D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Ngozi on April 29, 2012, 09:45:32 AM
Yeah cyah lie thas meh new location since the national team evaporated !! Wanted to check back here and see wah vibes
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on April 30, 2012, 05:34:59 AM
Wenger said today he needs to buy a striker and in the same breath talk about Kagawa from Dortmund.
Just an observation but IMHO the other striker at the club, Robert Lewandowski, is much better. But typical Arsenal they looking at the cheaper one :-)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on April 30, 2012, 06:58:15 AM
Arsenal reach deal to sign Podolski
April 30, 2012
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1058637/arsenal-reach-deal-to-sign-lucas-podolski-from-fc-cologne?campaign=rss&source=soccernet&cc=5901

By ESPN staff
Arsenal's long-awaited purchase of Germany striker Lukas Podolski from FC Cologne has been confirmed.

Podolski will join the Gunners in the summer, after reaching an agreement with the club about personal terms and passing a medical. Neither club has announced the transfer fee involved.

"The move to Arsenal provides a great opportunity for me to gain experience in international competitions at a European top club," Podolski said. "I have made this decision not against FC Cologne but for this great opportunity and the good of my own individual development.

"This was not an easy decision for me at all, as Cologne, our fans and the city are something special for me. I will always carry Cologne in my heart. We need to pool our strengths now and have to be fully focused on our survival in the Bundesliga."

Podolski, who started his career at Cologne before rejoining them in 2009 after an unhappy three-year spell at Bayern Munich, said: "I have made this decision not against Cologne but for this great opportunity and the good of my own individual development.

"This was not an easy decision for me at all, as Cologne, our fans and the city are something special for me. I will always carry Cologne in my heart. We need to pool our strengths now and have to be fully focused on our survival in the Bundesliga.''

Podolski, who had one year left on his contract with the Bundesliga strugglers, has scored 18 league goals for a side battling relegation so far this term, his best ever retunr in the top-flight.

Cologne chairman Claus Horstmann admitted the club were sad to see such a popular and influential figure at the club go.

He said: "Lukas Podolski is a player of world class standing with a special relation to FC Cologne's fans and to the city.

"We are proud of the development Lukas Podolski has taken at Cologne within the last years.

"From his early days at our youth squads, via his first competitive match for our professional team, through to a highly renowned Germany international

"That's why we deeply regret his step, which is not a decision against Cologne but for the good of his own career.

"Cologne were prepared to extend Lukas Podolski's contract on the basis of a competitive offer. Nonetheless, this early transfer decision offers scope and planning security for the next season.

"We will jump at this opportunity to reinvest these transfer earnings back into our team's quality and into the promotion of our youth squads.

"Lukas has helped the club in many difficult situations, Lukas has left a mark on Cologne's reputation and we feel the need to thank him for numerous great football experiences at Cologne.''
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: D.H.W on April 30, 2012, 06:58:44 AM
Wenger said today he needs to buy a striker and in the same breath talk about Kagawa from Dortmund.
Just an observation but IMHO the other striker at the club, Robert Lewandowski, is much better. But typical Arsenal they looking at the cheaper one :-)

News "Lukas Podolski will join Arsenal this summer, Bundesliga club Cologne confirms"

edit: beaten by bitter  :(
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: D.H.W on April 30, 2012, 07:00:49 AM
Arsenal reach deal to sign Podolski
April 30, 2012
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1058637/arsenal-reach-deal-to-sign-lucas-podolski-from-fc-cologne?campaign=rss&source=soccernet&cc=5901

By ESPN staff
Arsenal's long-awaited purchase of Germany striker Lukas Podolski from FC Cologne has been confirmed.

Podolski will join the Gunners in the summer, after reaching an agreement with the club about personal terms and passing a medical. Neither club has announced the transfer fee involved.

"The move to Arsenal provides a great opportunity for me to gain experience in international competitions at a European top club," Podolski said. "I have made this decision not against FC Cologne but for this great opportunity and the good of my own individual development.

"This was not an easy decision for me at all, as Cologne, our fans and the city are something special for me. I will always carry Cologne in my heart. We need to pool our strengths now and have to be fully focused on our survival in the Bundesliga."

Podolski, who started his career at Cologne before rejoining them in 2009 after an unhappy three-year spell at Bayern Munich, said: "I have made this decision not against Cologne but for this great opportunity and the good of my own individual development.

"This was not an easy decision for me at all, as Cologne, our fans and the city are something special for me. I will always carry Cologne in my heart. We need to pool our strengths now and have to be fully focused on our survival in the Bundesliga.''

Podolski, who had one year left on his contract with the Bundesliga strugglers, has scored 18 league goals for a side battling relegation so far this term, his best ever retunr in the top-flight.

Cologne chairman Claus Horstmann admitted the club were sad to see such a popular and influential figure at the club go.

He said: "Lukas Podolski is a player of world class standing with a special relation to FC Cologne's fans and to the city.

"We are proud of the development Lukas Podolski has taken at Cologne within the last years.

"From his early days at our youth squads, via his first competitive match for our professional team, through to a highly renowned Germany international

"That's why we deeply regret his step, which is not a decision against Cologne but for the good of his own career.

"Cologne were prepared to extend Lukas Podolski's contract on the basis of a competitive offer. Nonetheless, this early transfer decision offers scope and planning security for the next season.

"We will jump at this opportunity to reinvest these transfer earnings back into our team's quality and into the promotion of our youth squads.

"Lukas has helped the club in many difficult situations, Lukas has left a mark on Cologne's reputation and we feel the need to thank him for numerous great football experiences at Cologne.''

Alyuh might finish in second place now  :heehee:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on April 30, 2012, 08:56:28 AM
Great signing. Always said Arsenal main weakness is they have only one big striker. Very pleased with this. Now to lock up RVP contract renewal.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: giggsy11 on April 30, 2012, 05:19:18 PM
I find allyuh quiet...

Since they form the Trini Gunners facebook group this thread dead. I does just come to check it once in a while.

You all will be back once Facebook folds! ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on May 01, 2012, 01:29:09 PM
I find allyuh quiet...

Since they form the Trini Gunners facebook group this thread dead. I does just come to check it once in a while.

You all will be back once Facebook folds! ;D
Lol. Keep it warm for us gentlemen!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on May 01, 2012, 01:36:57 PM
I find allyuh quiet...

Since they form the Trini Gunners facebook group this thread dead. I does just come to check it once in a while.

Good move....men go cyah come on allyuh page trollin' like dey does like to do on here....dey go hadda actually join de group and "like" arsenal to do dat!  :D

We had a Man U troll on there once until the admins kick him off. Although I still come on here because sometimes I does miss the battling.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on May 05, 2012, 05:47:00 AM
Goalazzo by benayoun.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on May 05, 2012, 06:05:56 AM
Szczesny howler for the equalizer.
Ramsay is useless. Norwich bossing the game.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on May 05, 2012, 06:11:42 AM
What a mess.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on May 05, 2012, 06:17:53 AM
Now Sagna injured.
This only gets worse for Arsenal.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on May 05, 2012, 07:17:19 AM
After making it look so hard, Van Persie makes is look so easy.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on May 05, 2012, 07:26:37 AM
RVP again.
Still 10 minutes left. Plenty time for Arsenal to eff up again.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on May 05, 2012, 07:30:57 AM
Plenty time for Arsenal to eff up again.

3-3
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: D.H.W on May 05, 2012, 07:56:54 AM
lol arsenal could drop to 5th if they keep playing the ass
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Tallman on May 05, 2012, 08:30:12 AM
(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/526237_10150759890303577_687248576_9487040_1863633604_n.jpg)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: fari on May 05, 2012, 09:21:36 AM
Keep the faith fellas
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: D.H.W on May 05, 2012, 11:03:13 AM
(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/526237_10150759890303577_687248576_9487040_1863633604_n.jpg)

 :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Andre on May 07, 2012, 08:18:01 AM
new kit. rocking the red, white and black. i wonder if that mean they going to sign the next big trini star?

http://wp.me/pL6jh-9ei

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7187/7151071493_b4dff68f57_z.jpg)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: DeSoWa on May 07, 2012, 01:43:51 PM
new kit. rocking the red, white and black. i wonder if that mean they going to sign the next big trini star?

http://wp.me/pL6jh-9ei

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7187/7151071493_b4dff68f57_z.jpg)

Ah think the dark band is actually Blue and not Black.

Big Up!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on May 07, 2012, 02:48:26 PM
Seems like nobody actually WANTS 3rd place. Anyway, we get the very last of last chances to seal it. No more stupid mistakes allowed. Beat West Brom and we come third, full stop.

Oh the colour is dark blue (Obsidian they call it). Forget the name, the kit is fugly!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Peong on May 07, 2012, 04:06:50 PM
Enjoy the pic, that might be the only time Van Persie wears a 2012-2013 Arsenal kit.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Andre on May 08, 2012, 10:52:09 AM
who after RVP by the way?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Mango Chow! on May 08, 2012, 11:00:54 AM
Enjoy the pic, that might be the only time Van Persie wears a 2012-2013 Arsenal kit.


:rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: grimm01 on May 08, 2012, 11:05:38 AM
who after RVP by the way?

saw a rumor somewhere that Man City willing to give him 200K+ a week. take it with a grain of salt.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: palos on May 08, 2012, 11:10:40 AM
Bess Arsenal player since January....

Tomas Rosicky

He playin now like how he used to play with Dortmund and Czech Republic back in de day.  Man lively too bad.  Injuries really took a toll on him but nice to finally see him back to "himself"
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on May 08, 2012, 12:49:34 PM
Bess Arsenal player since January....

Tomas Rosicky

He playin now like how he used to play with Dortmund and Czech Republic back in de day.  Man lively too bad.  Injuries really took a toll on him but nice to finally see him back to "himself"

That is the Rosicky Wenger signed! Brilliant player.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on May 08, 2012, 12:53:10 PM
Enjoy the pic, that might be the only time Van Persie wears a 2012-2013 Arsenal kit.
Depends on his pay increase and who we sign. Talk is Yann M'Vila.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on May 13, 2012, 08:51:25 AM
Arsenal midfield getting beaten so easy it eh funny. Song like he legless and with no help from both wide players is only Coquelin to stand the bounce.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on May 13, 2012, 10:47:53 AM
Wenger pull a rabbit out the hat this season for real.
For all the criticism, the man is a boss manager.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: fari on May 13, 2012, 10:58:42 AM
Arsenal midfield getting beaten so easy it eh funny. Song like he legless and with no help from both wide players is only Coquelin to stand the bounce.

m'vila (or any other ya ya toure type player) will help song out b/c dude has been running on fumes last few games.  coquelin is not ready yet.



Wenger pull a rabbit out the hat this season for real.
For all the criticism, the man is a boss manager.

if again.   this season show who the true gunners are.   COYG!!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on May 13, 2012, 03:48:54 PM
Arsenal midfield getting beaten so easy it eh funny. Song like he legless and with no help from both wide players is only Coquelin to stand the bounce.

m'vila (or any other ya ya toure type player) will help song out b/c dude has been running on fumes last few games.  coquelin is not ready yet.



Wenger pull a rabbit out the hat this season for real.
For all the criticism, the man is a boss manager.

if again.   this season show who the true gunners are.   COYG!!!!

Damn right! In Arsene We Trust! Every time I get vex with him he does shut me up. Club lose 2 of its biggest players last season, suffer its worst defeat in 115 years, its worst start to the season in 50 years and STILL finishes in a higher place and with more points than last season.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on May 13, 2012, 07:14:17 PM
hats off to wenger and the players. simply amazing! written off before the season started as 5th place at best. People throw dirt on dem & bring flowers in the fall, 17 points back, 13 points behind Spurs and still manage to finish 3rd. remarkable!  :applause: :applause:

Now spend some money & get a solid 22.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bally on May 22, 2012, 08:35:14 PM
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Goalkeeper Manuel Almunia is one of seven players who will leave Arsenal this summer when their contracts expire.

The shot-stopper will end an eight-year association with the club when his deal expires on 30th June.

Almunia kept 70 clean sheets in 175 appearances for the Gunners but fell out of favour last season.

The 35-year-old played four times during a loan spell at West Ham this term and has been linked with a return to Upton Park.

Of the other Arsenal players released, only defender Gavin Hoyte has first-team experience.

George Brislen-Hall, Sean McDermott, Rhys Murphy, James Campbell and Jeffrey Monakana will also depart Emirates Stadium.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Peong on June 13, 2012, 10:51:53 AM
Wham to the Gunners fans, allyuh fold up for the off-season?


Arsenal set to sign Olivier Giroud for £12m from Montpellier (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18425253)

So is that curtains for Chamakh?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 20, 2012, 01:44:30 PM
Wham to the Gunners fans, allyuh fold up for the off-season?


Arsenal set to sign Olivier Giroud for £12m from Montpellier (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18425253)

So is that curtains for Chamakh?

Most of the Gunners fans on here have gone to the Trini Gunners facebook group. I does only come on here once in a while myself. I hope this story is true. I like Chamakh but he just hasn't been good enough. I happy if we get Giroud and Yann M'Vila and renew contracts for RVP, Song and Walcott..
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: D.H.W on June 20, 2012, 03:39:22 PM
Alyuh men rather post on Facebook? Stueps, at least gunner have the balls to show he face once in a while.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Peong on June 20, 2012, 05:12:23 PM
Alyuh men rather post on Facebook? Stueps, at least gunner have the balls to show he face once in a while.

Man for spite I goin and join just to troll dem.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 26, 2012, 11:03:52 AM
Alyuh men rather post on Facebook? Stueps, at least gunner have the balls to show he face once in a while.
Umm, I thought I was showing my face.

Honestly most of them tired of the level of debate (if you could call it that) on Socawarriors. This place is just a glorified slanging forum now. I could handle myself but sometimes talk does get tiresome. Peong if you troll them they will remove you. They real dread with that.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 26, 2012, 11:05:27 AM
 ;D

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/olivier-giroud-agrees-deal-to-join-arsenal (http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/olivier-giroud-agrees-deal-to-join-arsenal)

Olivier Giroud agrees deal to join Arsenal

Arsenal Football Club is delighted to announce that France international Olivier Giroud has agreed to join the Club on a long-term contract.
 
The 25-year old striker completed a medical before agreeing terms at the Club’s training ground on Monday evening. The completion of the transfer is now just the subject of formal processes.

Click on the image above to see Giroud in his new colours
 
Giroud arrives from French champions Montpellier, where 21 goals in 36 league appearances made him the French league’s joint top goalscorer last season and also earned him a place in the Ligue 1 Team of the Year.
 
Giroud, who enjoyed a two-year spell at the Stade de la Mosson and broke into the national team in November 2011, flew to London after representing Les Bleus at the European Championship in Ukraine and Poland.
 
The Chambéry-born player spent his formative years in France's lower leagues, developing his game with Grenoble, on loan at FC Istres and then at Tours FC, where he played alongside Laurent Koscielny for a season before being awarded the Ligue 2 Player of the Year award in 2009/10.
 
Manager Arsène Wenger said: “We are delighted to have secured the signing of Olivier Giroud. He has a very good physical presence and is exceptional in the air, with a great work ethic. We are excited about Olivier joining us and he will add an additional dimension to our attacking options next season.
 
“He has proved that he is capable of performing at the top level with club and country, and we saw what a big influence he was in Montpellier’s championship-winning side last season. We all look forward to Olivier joining us and seeing him play in an Arsenal shirt.”
 
Giroud, whose contract with Arsenal will officially commence on July 1, said: “I am delighted to be here at Arsenal and to be part of one of the great teams in English football. It's a huge satisfaction to join this great club and it’s been a dream since I was young to play in the Premier League.
 
“I was attracted by the philosophy of football and Arsène Wenger’s 'touch' at this club. I have always admired Arsenal with its great history and reputation, and I now hope to achieve great things here. I’m very proud to be a Gunner and I will give my best for all the Arsenal fans.”
 
Giroud will join up with the Gunners for the Club’s pre-season preparations ahead of the new season.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Peong on June 26, 2012, 11:29:49 AM
Alyuh men rather post on Facebook? Stueps, at least gunner have the balls to show he face once in a while.
Umm, I thought I was showing my face.

Honestly most of them tired of the level of debate (if you could call it that) on Socawarriors. This place is just a glorified slanging forum now. I could handle myself but sometimes talk does get tiresome. Peong if you troll them they will remove you. They real dread with that.

Trini gunners sound like sensitive guys  :rotfl:   I joined before because a few of my friends were in it but I left because it was boring.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 26, 2012, 11:43:25 AM
Alyuh men rather post on Facebook? Stueps, at least gunner have the balls to show he face once in a while.
Umm, I thought I was showing my face.

Honestly most of them tired of the level of debate (if you could call it that) on Socawarriors. This place is just a glorified slanging forum now. I could handle myself but sometimes talk does get tiresome. Peong if you troll them they will remove you. They real dread with that.

Trini gunners sound like sensitive guys  :rotfl:   I joined before because a few of my friends were in it but I left because it was boring.

Being an Arsenal supporter is tough enough these past 7 years. We talk more about serious team stuff than picong in the group.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: dinho on June 26, 2012, 11:44:21 AM
Alyuh men rather post on Facebook? Stueps, at least gunner have the balls to show he face once in a while.
Umm, I thought I was showing my face.

Honestly most of them tired of the level of debate (if you could call it that) on Socawarriors. This place is just a glorified slanging forum now. I could handle myself but sometimes talk does get tiresome. Peong if you troll them they will remove you. They real dread with that.

Tired of the level of debate here? Lol.

You should just say they tired of debate on the whole. What you see as slanging is just healthy debate and it is no different in the Chelsea, Man U or Liverpool threads. They are taken to task just like Arsenal.

It has nothing to do with the level of debate here, the problem is that the truth hurts. Arsenal fans seem to me to be a sensitive set of fans, and when you start to take them to task about the fact that the club hierarchy is cheap and more interested in turning a profit than in winning trophies they take exception.

What u all wanted was a fan forum where you could glisten over yuh team without opposition. Best allyuh stay over there on the trinigunners site where they could talk to their heart's content about how well they did to finish 3rd, who they wish Wenger would buy and how they will be better next year with the batch of youths coming through.... For like the 5th year running.  ::)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: D.H.W on June 26, 2012, 12:08:13 PM
Men tired of debate , wtf ? So alyuh run a hole and hide?.  :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Tenorsaw on June 26, 2012, 12:12:49 PM
Alyuh men rather post on Facebook? Stueps, at least gunner have the balls to show he face once in a while.
Umm, I thought I was showing my face.

Honestly most of them tired of the level of debate (if you could call it that) on Socawarriors. This place is just a glorified slanging forum now. I could handle myself but sometimes talk does get tiresome. Peong if you troll them they will remove you. They real dread with that.

Tired of the level of debate here? Lol.

You should just say they tired of debate on the whole. What you see as slanging is just healthy debate and it is no different in the Chelsea, Man U or Liverpool threads. They are taken to task just like Arsenal.

It has nothing to do with the level of debate here, the problem is that the truth hurts. Arsenal fans seem to me to be a sensitive set of fans, and when you start to take them to task about the fact that the club hierarchy is cheap and more interested in turning a profit than in winning trophies they take exception.

What u all wanted was a fan forum where you could glisten over yuh team without opposition. Best allyuh stay over there on the trinigunners site where they could talk to their heart's content about how well they did to finish 3rd, who they wish Wenger would buy and how they will be better next year with the batch of youths coming through.... For like the 5th year running.  ::)

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:Men so sensitive on this site?  I does take nuff stick for 'Pool, and ah does give too.  That is how it goes here.  Picong goes part and parcel with being a Trini... ;)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 26, 2012, 12:16:15 PM
Alyuh men rather post on Facebook? Stueps, at least gunner have the balls to show he face once in a while.
Umm, I thought I was showing my face.

Honestly most of them tired of the level of debate (if you could call it that) on Socawarriors. This place is just a glorified slanging forum now. I could handle myself but sometimes talk does get tiresome. Peong if you troll them they will remove you. They real dread with that.

Tired of the level of debate here? Lol.

You should just say they tired of debate on the whole. What you see as slanging is just healthy debate and it is no different in the Chelsea, Man U or Liverpool threads. They are taken to task just like Arsenal.

It has nothing to do with the level of debate here, the problem is that the truth hurts. Arsenal fans seem to me to be a sensitive set of fans, and when you start to take them to task about the fact that the club hierarchy is cheap and more interested in turning a profit than in winning trophies they take exception.

What u all wanted was a fan forum where you could glisten over yuh team without opposition. Best allyuh stay over there on the trinigunners site where they could talk to their heart's content about how well they did to finish 3rd, who they wish Wenger would buy and how they will be better next year with the batch of youths coming through.... For like the 5th year running.  ::)

Interesting you have an opinion on about what's written in a site you've never been on. Hence my comment about the level of debate. Anyway I still here. How you seem so aggrieved about it? Sound like you feeling rejected.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 26, 2012, 12:17:13 PM
Alyuh men rather post on Facebook? Stueps, at least gunner have the balls to show he face once in a while.
Umm, I thought I was showing my face.

Honestly most of them tired of the level of debate (if you could call it that) on Socawarriors. This place is just a glorified slanging forum now. I could handle myself but sometimes talk does get tiresome. Peong if you troll them they will remove you. They real dread with that.

Tired of the level of debate here? Lol.

You should just say they tired of debate on the whole. What you see as slanging is just healthy debate and it is no different in the Chelsea, Man U or Liverpool threads. They are taken to task just like Arsenal.

It has nothing to do with the level of debate here, the problem is that the truth hurts. Arsenal fans seem to me to be a sensitive set of fans, and when you start to take them to task about the fact that the club hierarchy is cheap and more interested in turning a profit than in winning trophies they take exception.

What u all wanted was a fan forum where you could glisten over yuh team without opposition. Best allyuh stay over there on the trinigunners site where they could talk to their heart's content about how well they did to finish 3rd, who they wish Wenger would buy and how they will be better next year with the batch of youths coming through.... For like the 5th year running.  ::)

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:Men so sensitive on this site?  I does take nuff stick for 'Pool, and ah does give too.  That is how it goes here.  Picong goes part and parcel with being a Trini... ;)

Well if people doh want to deal in picong that is their business. Nutten wrong with that.
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Post by: dinho on June 26, 2012, 12:19:27 PM
Alyuh men rather post on Facebook? Stueps, at least gunner have the balls to show he face once in a while.
Umm, I thought I was showing my face.

Honestly most of them tired of the level of debate (if you could call it that) on Socawarriors. This place is just a glorified slanging forum now. I could handle myself but sometimes talk does get tiresome. Peong if you troll them they will remove you. They real dread with that.

Tired of the level of debate here? Lol.

You should just say they tired of debate on the whole. What you see as slanging is just healthy debate and it is no different in the Chelsea, Man U or Liverpool threads. They are taken to task just like Arsenal.

It has nothing to do with the level of debate here, the problem is that the truth hurts. Arsenal fans seem to me to be a sensitive set of fans, and when you start to take them to task about the fact that the club hierarchy is cheap and more interested in turning a profit than in winning trophies they take exception.

What u all wanted was a fan forum where you could glisten over yuh team without opposition. Best allyuh stay over there on the trinigunners site where they could talk to their heart's content about how well they did to finish 3rd, who they wish Wenger would buy and how they will be better next year with the batch of youths coming through.... For like the 5th year running.  ::)

Interesting you have an opinion on about what's written in a site you've never been on. Hence my comment about the level of debate. Anyway I still here. How you seem so aggrieved about it? Sound like you feeling rejected.

How you know i've never been on it?

I just miss gunnerstunner that's all.  :(
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 26, 2012, 12:25:22 PM
Alyuh men rather post on Facebook? Stueps, at least gunner have the balls to show he face once in a while.
Umm, I thought I was showing my face.

Honestly most of them tired of the level of debate (if you could call it that) on Socawarriors. This place is just a glorified slanging forum now. I could handle myself but sometimes talk does get tiresome. Peong if you troll them they will remove you. They real dread with that.

Tired of the level of debate here? Lol.

You should just say they tired of debate on the whole. What you see as slanging is just healthy debate and it is no different in the Chelsea, Man U or Liverpool threads. They are taken to task just like Arsenal.

It has nothing to do with the level of debate here, the problem is that the truth hurts. Arsenal fans seem to me to be a sensitive set of fans, and when you start to take them to task about the fact that the club hierarchy is cheap and more interested in turning a profit than in winning trophies they take exception.

What u all wanted was a fan forum where you could glisten over yuh team without opposition. Best allyuh stay over there on the trinigunners site where they could talk to their heart's content about how well they did to finish 3rd, who they wish Wenger would buy and how they will be better next year with the batch of youths coming through.... For like the 5th year running.  ::)

Interesting you have an opinion on about what's written in a site you've never been on. Hence my comment about the level of debate. Anyway I still here. How you seem so aggrieved about it? Sound like you feeling rejected.

How you know i've never been on it?

I just miss gunnerstunner that's all.  :(

That's how I know. We doh talk about what you said there. We quarrel about the club doing nonsense, which player is a goat, whether Wenger loss he mind, etc. Check allyuh slanging people who doh even take you on anymore.  :rotfl:

Gunnerstunner have his own reasons for leaving and is not my place to say. I will tell him you ask for him.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 26, 2012, 12:36:12 PM
Men tired of debate , wtf ? So alyuh run a hole and hide?.  :rotfl:

Men probably just living their lives. I know a few people moved over. But a lot of people joined it without being on SW. I check this site about once a week just outta curiosity.
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Post by: mukumsplau on June 26, 2012, 02:24:13 PM
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Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on June 26, 2012, 03:08:30 PM
Penut gallery uneducated observation. Arsenal should get another CB and move Vermeleen to the central midfield role. This way they will have a long range shooting threat, a midfielder that arrives late in the box, a ball winner and a good passer. Last year whene move forward he look deadly. Him and Song together I would love to see
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Post by: kaliman2006 on June 26, 2012, 03:22:01 PM
Alyuh men rather post on Facebook? Stueps, at least gunner have the balls to show he face once in a while.
Umm, I thought I was showing my face.

Honestly most of them tired of the level of debate (if you could call it that) on Socawarriors. This place is just a glorified slanging forum now. I could handle myself but sometimes talk does get tiresome. Peong if you troll them they will remove you. They real dread with that.

Tired of the level of debate here? Lol.

You should just say they tired of debate on the whole. What you see as slanging is just healthy debate and it is no different in the Chelsea, Man U or Liverpool threads. They are taken to task just like Arsenal.

It has nothing to do with the level of debate here, the problem is that the truth hurts. Arsenal fans seem to me to be a sensitive set of fans, and when you start to take them to task about the fact that the club hierarchy is cheap and more interested in turning a profit than in winning trophies they take exception.

What u all wanted was a fan forum where you could glisten over yuh team without opposition. Best allyuh stay over there on the trinigunners site where they could talk to their heart's content about how well they did to finish 3rd, who they wish Wenger would buy and how they will be better next year with the batch of youths coming through.... For like the 5th year running.  ::)

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:Men so sensitive on this site?  I does take nuff stick for 'Pool, and ah does give too.  That is how it goes here.  Picong goes part and parcel with being a Trini... ;)

Exactly, what would Arsenal  fans do if they supported Liverpool, as you and I do? At least Arsenal in the Champions League. Liverpool has to make do with a Europa League place. It has not been easy being a Liverpool fan for the last twenty-two years (Champions League success and treble winning season in 2000-01 notwithstanding), so Arsenal fans should count their blessings.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 26, 2012, 03:48:32 PM
Penut gallery uneducated observation. Arsenal should get another CB and move Vermeleen to the central midfield role. This way they will have a long range shooting threat, a midfielder that arrives late in the box, a ball winner and a good passer. Last year whene move forward he look deadly. Him and Song together I would love to see

Possible solution. I have long believed that Arsenal's defensive problems are not because of the centre backs. It is because of the midfield.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 26, 2012, 03:52:04 PM

Exactly, what would Arsenal  fans do if they supported Liverpool, as you and I do? At least Arsenal in the Champions League. Liverpool has to make do with a Europa League place. It has not been easy being a Liverpool fan for the last twenty-two years (Champions League success and treble winning season in 2000-01 notwithstanding), so Arsenal fans should count their blessings.

You right about counting blessings but who are we to tell people whether to join or leave an open internet forum? People free to listen to or ignore any opinion they want. I find it sound like men aggrieved that the Gooners ride out and won't listen to them anymore. I here once a week if anybody want to fight down Arsenal.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Peong on June 26, 2012, 03:58:50 PM

Exactly, what would Arsenal  fans do if they supported Liverpool, as you and I do? At least Arsenal in the Champions League. Liverpool has to make do with a Europa League place. It has not been easy being a Liverpool fan for the last twenty-two years (Champions League success and treble winning season in 2000-01 notwithstanding), so Arsenal fans should count their blessings.

You right about counting blessings but who are we to tell people whether to join or leave an open internet forum? People free to listen to or ignore any opinion they want. I find it sound like men aggrieved that the Gooners ride out and won't listen to them anymore. I here once a week if anybody want to fight down Arsenal.

Damn right I'm aggrieved, I missing out on good entertainment.
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Post by: fari on June 26, 2012, 04:23:30 PM
Penut gallery uneducated observation. Arsenal should get another CB and move Vermeleen to the central midfield role. This way they will have a long range shooting threat, a midfielder that arrives late in the box, a ball winner and a good passer. Last year whene move forward he look deadly. Him and Song together I would love to see

hadn't thought about that.  i agree with dansteel that midfield slackness is what cost us some points last season.  m'vila has been earmarked but i am not convinced about him, he has just a tad bit too much swagger for my taste.  his name might just be a smokescreen for another signing though as is wenger's modus operandi at times.    i love the giroud signing and can't wait to see him play.  make no mistake he will be the target man with rvp playing just off him.   i think the ox will def get more playing time this season, that youth is just too good.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: dinho on June 27, 2012, 06:03:22 AM
Penut gallery uneducated observation. Arsenal should get another CB and move Vermeleen to the central midfield role. This way they will have a long range shooting threat, a midfielder that arrives late in the box, a ball winner and a good passer. Last year whene move forward he look deadly. Him and Song together I would love to see

Possible solution. I have long believed that Arsenal's defensive problems are not because of the centre backs. It is because of the midfield.

And those defensive midfield problems are less about the midfield personnel and more about the way Arsenal set up.

Song had an excellent season last year, his best in an Arsenal shirt, but when you watch an Arsenal game you can see he is regularly in the opposition half joining in the attack trying to play through balls for the strikers. I blame that squarely on Wenger because that is what he encourages, and it leaves the defence without cover on the counter.

Personally i think he should have Song hold back more and give him some help alongside him like a Mvila to shore up the middle, as they have enough attacking players to create chances and goalscoring is never a problem. But it would probably mean changing the system and changing the way they play which I doubt they would go for.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 27, 2012, 09:24:17 AM
Penut gallery uneducated observation. Arsenal should get another CB and move Vermeleen to the central midfield role. This way they will have a long range shooting threat, a midfielder that arrives late in the box, a ball winner and a good passer. Last year whene move forward he look deadly. Him and Song together I would love to see

Possible solution. I have long believed that Arsenal's defensive problems are not because of the centre backs. It is because of the midfield.

And those defensive midfield problems are less about the midfield personnel and more about the way Arsenal set up.

Song had an excellent season last year, his best in an Arsenal shirt, but when you watch an Arsenal game you can see he is regularly in the opposition half joining in the attack trying to play through balls for the strikers. I blame that squarely on Wenger because that is what he encourages, and it leaves the defence without cover on the counter.

Personally i think he should have Song hold back more and give him some help alongside him like a Mvila to shore up the middle, as they have enough attacking players to create chances and goalscoring is never a problem. But it would probably mean changing the system and changing the way they play which I doubt they would go for.

I think that is a natural consequence of playing teams that sit deep. You need an attacking threat from deep. The first time Song showed it was 10/11 season. The Boxing Day game against Chelsea that season, we would have never opened the scoring (Song) without a deep threat. It's the same reason that Vermaelen and Koscielny sometimes go on raids into the opposition penalty box. Pique's goal for Barca against Inter in the 2010 UCL semifinal second leg is another classic example. I think more attacking power and less reliance on RVP to finish would allow him to sit back more but I don't think there's any problem with Song pushing up if we are struggling to score against a deep defence. Sometimes you have to take risks.

My problem is when the opposition has possession in midfield and Arsenal doesn't apply pressure. It allows them to play balls behind the defence. Most of Arsenal's goals conceded are due to that.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Mango Chow! on June 27, 2012, 10:15:33 AM
Penut gallery uneducated observation. Arsenal should get another CB and move Vermeleen to the central midfield role. This way they will have a long range shooting threat, a midfielder that arrives late in the box, a ball winner and a good passer. Last year whene move forward he look deadly. Him and Song together I would love to see

Possible solution. I have long believed that Arsenal's defensive problems are not because of the centre backs. It is because of the midfield.

And those defensive midfield problems are less about the midfield personnel and more about the way Arsenal set up.

Song had an excellent season last year, his best in an Arsenal shirt, but when you watch an Arsenal game you can see he is regularly in the opposition half joining in the attack trying to play through balls for the strikers. I blame that squarely on Wenger because that is what he encourages, and it leaves the defence without cover on the counter.

Personally i think he should have Song hold back more and give him some help alongside him like a Mvila to shore up the middle, as they have enough attacking players to create chances and goalscoring is never a problem. But it would probably mean changing the system and changing the way they play which I doubt they would go for.

I think that is a natural consequence of playing teams that sit deep. You need an attacking threat from deep. The first time Song showed it was 10/11 season. The Boxing Day game against Chelsea that season, we would have never opened the scoring (Song) without a deep threat. It's the same reason that Vermaelen and Koscielny sometimes go on raids into the opposition penalty box. Pique's goal for Barca against Inter in the 2010 UCL semifinal second leg is another classic example. I think more attacking power and less reliance on RVP to finish would allow him to sit back more but I don't think there's any problem with Song pushing up if we are struggling to score against a deep defence. Sometimes you have to take risks.

My problem is when the opposition has possession in midfield and Arsenal doesn't apply pressure. It allows them to play balls behind the defence. Most of Arsenal's goals conceded are due to that.

arsene9 and arsenal doing with Song, what Chelsea should be doing with Mikel. 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: D.H.W on July 04, 2012, 10:43:11 AM
Van pussy is leaving arsenal. He is not signing a new contract
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: fari on July 04, 2012, 10:51:48 AM
Van pussy is leaving arsenal. He is not signing a new contract

some fans had already started speculating that giroud and podolski were bought to replace rvp and not partner him.   i can't say that this news is surprising.  at least this year we have the new players in early unlike last year.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: dinho on July 04, 2012, 11:05:48 AM
RVP snubs new Gunners deal

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11670/7868741/RVP-snubs-new-Gunners-deal

Arsenal captain Robin van Persie has announced he will not be extending his contract at Emirates Stadium.

Speculation has been rife over the future of the talismanic captain, who is entering the final year of his contract in North London.

Manager Arsene Wenger stated the importance of keeping Van Persie at the club earlier this month but the 28-year-old Dutchman has decided against prolonging his deal.

The frontman told his official website: "I've thought long and hard about it, but I have decided not to extend my contract.

"I've thought long and hard about it, but I have decided not to extend my contract."
Robin van Persie   Quotes of the week

"You guys, the fans, have of course the right to disagree with my view and decision and I will always respect your opinions."
Disagree

The striker had previously kept quiet over his future and refused to commit to a decision until Wednesday.

Van Persie says he has chosen not to extend his deal following talks with Wenger and chief executive Ivan Gazidis over the club's plans for the future.

He added: "I have kept quiet all this time out of respect and loyalty for the club and as agreed with Mr Gazidis and Mr Wenger, but since there is so much speculation in the media, I think it is fair for you guys to know what's really going on at the moment.

"As announced earlier this year I had a meeting with the boss and Mr Gazidis after the season. This was a meeting about the club's future strategy and their policy. Financial terms or a contract have not been discussed, since that is not my priority at all.

"Out of my huge respect for Mr Wenger, the players and the fans I don't want to go into any details, but unfortunately in this meeting it has again become clear to me that we in many aspects disagree on the way Arsenal FC should move forward."
Robin van Persie   Quotes of the week

"I personally have had a great season but my goal has been to win trophies with the team and to bring the club back to its glory days.

"Out of my huge respect for Mr Wenger, the players and the fans I don't want to go into any details, but unfortunately in this meeting it has again become clear to me that we in many aspects disagree on the way Arsenal FC should move forward."
More developments

Van Persie, who joined Arsenal from Feyenoord in 2004, added: "I love the club and the fans, no matter what happens. I have grown up and became a man during my time with Arsenal FC.

"Everybody at the club and the fans have always supported me over the years and I have always given my all (and more) on and off the pitch. I am very proud of being part of this fantastic club for the last eight years.

"As soon as Mr Gazidis is back from his two-week holiday in America further meetings will follow and I will update you if and when there are more developments."

Van Persie ended last season as the Premier League's top scorer with 30 goals, helping the Gunners to a third-placed finish.

Reigning champions Manchester City have been linked with a move for the prolific frontman, while European heavyweights Barcelona, Real Madrid and Juventus are all thought to be interested.

The Gunners would be loathe to lose their star striker but could sell to avoid losing him on a free transfer when his contract expires next summer.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 04, 2012, 12:34:05 PM
Surprised and saddened by this but what you go do? The Club has issued a counterstatement which makes me think they will hold him for the year unless they get a mad money offer. Of 2 minds about doing that:

Club statement: Robin van Persie

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/club-statement-robin-van-persie (http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/club-statement-robin-van-persie)

Arsenal Football Club has issued the following statement with regard to Robin van Persie's future:

"

We have to respect Robin's decision not to renew his contract. Robin has one year to run on his current contract and we are confident that he will fulfil his commitments to the Club.

"We are planning with ambition and confidence for next season with Arsenal's best interests in mind."
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Blue on July 04, 2012, 01:30:12 PM
Inevitable that a player of his calibre would want to play for a big club at some stage of his career.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: fari on July 04, 2012, 04:33:17 PM
Inevitable that a player of his calibre would want to play for a big club at some stage of his career.

yeah we know he def won't be going chelsea
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: injunchile on July 04, 2012, 07:32:41 PM
ManCity willing to pay big money for him. Check out BBC sports for the real news.
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Post by: DeSoWa on July 04, 2012, 09:07:18 PM
This kinda remind me of the Rooney contract demands last sason. He too said the club was lacking ambition and City was also rumoured to sign him. We saw how that ended up!

Big Up!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: D.H.W on July 04, 2012, 09:52:31 PM
Except United does win trophies, arsenal don't.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: RehanaOmardeenfan on July 05, 2012, 07:18:01 AM
Inevitable that a player of his calibre would want to play for a big club at some stage of his career.

yeah we know he def won't be going chelsea

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Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: DeSoWa on July 05, 2012, 09:09:04 AM
Except United does win trophies, arsenal don't.

Are you 7 yrs old?

Big Up!
Title: Re: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: D.H.W on July 05, 2012, 03:19:07 PM
Except United does win trophies, arsenal don't.

Are you 7 yrs old?

Big Up!

No, you?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: DeSoWa on July 05, 2012, 09:55:15 PM
Except United does win trophies, arsenal don't.

Are you 7 yrs old?

Big Up!

No, you?


Well your statement that arsenal don't win trophies will only make sense if you're 7 or younger... ;)

Big Up!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: ckhan on July 06, 2012, 06:30:55 PM
Source: Skysports

Arsenal board under fire

Usmanov and Moshiri express concerns after RVP blow


Alisher Usmanov and Farhad Moshiri have hit out at the Arsenal board in the wake of Robin van Persie's decision not to extend his contract.
 
Usmanov and Moshiri are major shareholders in the Gunners via their Red & White Securities investment vehicle, and have written a letter to the club's hierarchy in the wake of the events of the past 24 hours.
 
Red & White Securities hold around 30 per cent of shares in the Gunners' parent company, which was the subject of a takeover in 2011 by American tycoon Stan Kroenke.
 
Van Persie announced on Wednesday afternoon that he would not remain at Emirates Stadium beyond the final 12 months of his contracts following discussions with manager Arsene Wenger and chief executive Ivan Gazidis.
 
The Gunners captain, who bagged 30 goals in the Premier League last season to secure the Golden Boot, admitted that he could not find a common ground with the club over their future plans and ambitions for silverware.
 
"Yet again we are faced with losing our true marquee player at the club because we cannot assure him of the future direction and give confidence that we can win trophies."
Red & White Securities Quotes of the week

Cheaper replacements

Usmanov and Moshiri believe Wenger's hands are being tied by the stance of the club's board and they fear the club's best players will continue to depart unless changes are made.
 
"It is down to our manager and not the shareholders to have to deal with the club's tight finances, carry the burden of repaying the stadium debt by selling his best players and having to continue to find cheaper replacements," the duo wrote.
 
"All of that, naturally, comes at the expense of performance on the pitch.
 
"This policy is leading to the loss of our best players, often to our main competitors, and even causes the players themselves to question their future at the club and the club's ambitions.
 
"The situation with our captain and outstanding performer from last season, Robin van Persie, sums this up.
 
Great manager

"Yet again we are faced with losing our true marquee player at the club because we cannot assure him of the future direction and give confidence that we can win trophies.
 
"Where are the safeguards to ensure that this doesn't happen again and again in the future?
 
"As a top club we should, at the very least, match if not beat the offers that other clubs make to try and lure our very best players away, and also provide a more compelling vision of the future.
 
"You can try and put a good face on a bad game for as long as you want, pontificating about the merits of this model, but it will not hide the obvious fact that it just does not allow our great manager to fully realise his managerial talent and deliver success for the fans who are paying the highest prices in the land."
Red & White Securities Quotes of the week

"You can try and put a good face on a bad game for as long as you want, pontificating about the merits of this model, but it will not hide the obvious fact that it just does not allow our great manager to fully realise his managerial talent and deliver success for the fans who are paying the highest prices in the land."
 
Crowning achievement

Red & White, who point out they have "invested circa £200million of cash", set out their "vision" for Arsenal.
 
The letter added: "It is simple. A debt free club, with a big enough war chest to buy top talent players who can hit the ground running and who can complement the club's long tradition of developing young players and homegrown talent.
 
"Together they can help the club win the most prestigious trophies - because it is the trophies which are the crowning achievement for everybody at the club.
 
"Finally and reflecting our long-term commitment to the club, we will continue to purchase more shares in the club from anyone who wants to sell them to us.
 
"Also in order to formalise our long-term involvement with the club and put an end to any speculation over our position, we, as the co-owners of Red & White, will proudly retain our holding in the club as a long-term investment for ourselves and our family members to benefit for generations to come.
 
"We want the absolute best for the club and will do what is necessary to ensure the success of the club that we all love."
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 09, 2012, 08:59:25 AM
^^^^^
More lies from Usmanov. Let he stay right dey!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on July 09, 2012, 09:49:38 AM
The football landscape changed dramatically in the EPL. Chelsea and Man City in their own league when it comes to spending. RVP wants to win trophies and I believe that (unlike others who bail for $$). What hard for me to understand is, RVP only played one full season for Arsenal and that was last year. He has always been injured and he should think back on how the club stuck by him in those times. If he stays, along with the new players bought & maybe two more signings Arsenal will have a decent squad.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Peong on July 09, 2012, 11:17:05 AM
A club is supposed to look after a player when they are injured.  Arsenal didn't do anything special by keeping him through injury.
Plus they knew how good he was all that time, and later on how much shit the rest of the forward line was, so it was always in their best interests to keep him. 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: fari on July 09, 2012, 03:57:16 PM
A club is supposed to look after a player when they are injured.  Arsenal didn't do anything special by keeping him through injury.
Plus they knew how good he was all that time, and later on how much shit the rest of the forward line was, so it was always in their best interests to keep him. 

jedd is not like is 1 season he was injured.  is like 7.    name me one high profile baller who spend so much seasons injured at any club.  i ent mad at robin tho.  i know money talks.   i, like many other fans already resigned to him leaving and hope that poldi and giroud could get a few goals.  we will need a good few players to chip in with goals nex season.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Peong on July 09, 2012, 06:28:30 PM
A club is supposed to look after a player when they are injured.  Arsenal didn't do anything special by keeping him through injury.
Plus they knew how good he was all that time, and later on how much shit the rest of the forward line was, so it was always in their best interests to keep him. 

jedd is not like is 1 season he was injured.  is like 7.    name me one high profile baller who spend so much seasons injured at any club.  i ent mad at robin tho.  i know money talks.   i, like many other fans already resigned to him leaving and hope that poldi and giroud could get a few goals.  we will need a good few players to chip in with goals nex season.

Do you remember if in any of those seasons that it looked like selling him was the better option?  To me, Arsenal never sacrificed anything by keeping him, it was always obvious that they had a gem, and needed to work on keeping him healthy.  In fact the amount of injury problems within the Arsenal squad in recent years suggests that RVP probably didn't get the best care available.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on July 09, 2012, 07:16:48 PM
A club is supposed to look after a player when they are injured.  Arsenal didn't do anything special by keeping him through injury.
Plus they knew how good he was all that time, and later on how much shit the rest of the forward line was, so it was always in their best interests to keep him. 

jedd is not like is 1 season he was injured.  is like 7.    name me one high profile baller who spend so much seasons injured at any club.  i ent mad at robin tho.  i know money talks.   i, like many other fans already resigned to him leaving and hope that poldi and giroud could get a few goals.  we will need a good few players to chip in with goals nex season.

Do you remember if in any of those seasons that it looked like selling him was the better option?  To me, Arsenal never sacrificed anything by keeping him, it was always obvious that they had a gem, and needed to work on keeping him healthy.  In fact the amount of injury problems within the Arsenal squad in recent years suggests that RVP probably didn't get the best care available.

Twice he received injuries while on National team duty
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 11, 2012, 02:54:00 PM
This is 2012. Expecting loyalty from a player because you stood by him when he was injured isn't realistic. Real people was calling for the club to sell RVP. Look at Diaby now. I think he is a bawse midfielder but he so ridiculously injury prone I just give up on him and want them to sell him. If he could stay fit for more than 5 minutes I think he would be another Yaya Toure. Wenger go stick with him and the one season he fit he will milk it to get a big money move elsewhere.

No matter. We replaced Anelka with Kanu, Kanu with Henry, Henry with Adebayor, Adebayor with RVP. Now Poldi or Giroud will just have to take up the mantle.
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Post by: Observer on July 11, 2012, 07:11:30 PM
Maybe so, but did Rosiky not state that he got some tempting offers from China and Russia, but felt he owed Arsenal
for the way they stood by him through the injury years.
To some extent I agree with the fans, sell RVP now for big money. He had a remarkable season in 2011-12, but I just have
a gut feeling that he will not do it consistently. Still see him as being made of sugar.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 12, 2012, 08:20:42 AM
Maybe so, but did Rosiky not state that he got some tempting offers from China and Russia, but felt he owed Arsenal
for the way they stood by him through the injury years.
To some extent I agree with the fans, sell RVP now for big money. He had a remarkable season in 2011-12, but I just have
a gut feeling that he will not do it consistently. Still see him as being made of sugar.
I was hoping he would show that same kind of loyalty and he was a very good captain in addition to his ability as a forward. Sad and surprised that he didn't but you can't expect that all the time.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on July 16, 2012, 07:55:03 AM
Van P offered 130,000 Pounds a week + 5 million Pound loyalty Bonus. Lets see if its about money or not
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 16, 2012, 01:47:50 PM
Van P offered 130,000 Pounds a week + 5 million Pound loyalty Bonus. Lets see if its about money or not
Apparently that was the offer he turned down before Euros.

After that message on his website I think his staying would poison the team. He has to go IMO.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: doc on August 07, 2012, 04:15:54 AM
Arsenal sign Spain midfielder Santi Cazorla
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/arsenal-sign-spain-midfielder-santi-cazorla (http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/arsenal-sign-spain-midfielder-santi-cazorla)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 07, 2012, 12:23:48 PM
Arsenal sign Spain midfielder Santi Cazorla
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/arsenal-sign-spain-midfielder-santi-cazorla (http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/arsenal-sign-spain-midfielder-santi-cazorla)

Great signing. Excellent business done this summer. I wonder if RVP still "disagrees with the direction of the club". Hoping for a holding midfielder as well but I doubt one coming, based on Le Prof's comments.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Blue on August 15, 2012, 01:21:01 PM
At least pretend to be a big club....geez  ::)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: D.H.W on August 15, 2012, 01:46:50 PM
Heh
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: fari on August 15, 2012, 02:54:26 PM
At least pretend to be a big club....geez  ::)

sigh...here we go again.   we are a BIG club...but trying to do things sensibly and sutsainably.   rvp wanted to leave and we wish him well.   we already signed his replacements.     
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bakes on August 15, 2012, 03:09:42 PM
At least pretend to be a big club....geez  ::)

sigh...here we go again.   we are a BIG club...but trying to do things sensibly and sutsainably.   rvp wanted to leave and we wish him well.   we already signed his replacements.     

A true big club would throw money at players irresponsibly then park them on the bench.  And if yuh really big, bitch about how all the other clubs irresponsibly driving up the price of players lol
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: giggsy11 on August 15, 2012, 04:44:51 PM
I will pullin for Arsenal this season. Allyuh will come good.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 16, 2012, 07:24:29 AM
Don't really see how RVP to United helps them. Yeah he big but United already full up with good strikers. They still need to address their ageing midfield and weak fullbacks. Of the 3 clubs who were looking at him, this one probably makes the least sense.

Disappointed he went to United given the history between the clubs but the club knew he was leaving and prepared for it quite well. I am more worried about the Song and Walcott situations.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Jah Gol on August 16, 2012, 07:41:39 AM
Arsenal deserve their fate this season, whatever it may be. Every year the best players leave. There's something wrong at the club.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Peong on August 16, 2012, 12:27:23 PM
Don't really see how RVP to United helps them. Yeah he big but United already full up with good strikers. They still need to address their ageing midfield and weak fullbacks. Of the 3 clubs who were looking at him, this one probably makes the least sense.

Disappointed he went to United given the history between the clubs but the club knew he was leaving and prepared for it quite well. I am more worried about the Song and Walcott situations.

Anger makin Arsenal men talk real funny.  The league's top scorer would improve any side.  Besides Rooney all Man U's other strikers are inconsistent.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 16, 2012, 12:55:51 PM
Don't really see how RVP to United helps them. Yeah he big but United already full up with good strikers. They still need to address their ageing midfield and weak fullbacks. Of the 3 clubs who were looking at him, this one probably makes the least sense.

Disappointed he went to United given the history between the clubs but the club knew he was leaving and prepared for it quite well. I am more worried about the Song and Walcott situations.

Anger makin Arsenal men talk real funny.  The league's top scorer would improve any side.  Besides Rooney all Man U's other strikers are inconsistent.
Ok. I mean the money could be better spent elsewhere. Scoring goals isn't United's problem.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: D.H.W on August 16, 2012, 02:22:33 PM
Imagine if Rooney went arsenal lol.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: fari on August 16, 2012, 02:50:26 PM
Arsenal deserve their fate this season, whatever it may be. Every year the best players leave. There's something wrong at the club.

jah gol...i respectfully disagree.   arsenal simply could not match the money manu were willing to pay him...plain and simple.  everyone knows arsenal have a wage system in place and to break that for anyone is ludicrous.   rvp was far and away the highest earner (and rightfully so i might add) i am a diehard gooner but i admit that perhaps rvp saw that he had a better chance of winning trophies there as well.    i can't wait for this season i think that (as usual) we will surprise people.
Title: Re: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Jah Gol on August 16, 2012, 03:31:11 PM
Arsenal deserve their fate this season, whatever it may be. Every year the best players leave. There's something wrong at the club.

jah gol...i respectfully disagree.   arsenal simply could not match the money manu were willing to pay him...plain and simple.  everyone knows arsenal have a wage system in place and to break that for anyone is ludicrous.   rvp was far and away the highest earner (and rightfully so i might add) i am a diehard gooner but i admit that perhaps rvp saw that he had a better chance of winning trophies there as well.    i can't wait for this season i think that (as usual) we will surprise people.
Arsenal doesn't have the ambitions or wage structure of a major club. The management, the board and all the players know that too. They can't retain or attract great players and its not as if they're hand to mouth. They may be fiscally sound which is commendable but there's no prospect of them winning anything substantial.

Arsenal is now truly a developmental club. Every year they get raided and thd board and Wenger does nothing but complain about clubs over spending. Arsenal fans are probably the best in the world. You get screwed every year. If Song goes as well, 5th place looks really good for them.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Peong on August 16, 2012, 06:18:07 PM
I am looking forward to watching Podolski and Cazorla play though.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: ckhan on August 16, 2012, 06:40:32 PM
Looking forward to see what Arsenal bring this season.  Losing not only the team's leader goal scorer but assist man as well is a huge void! Time for the new buys to step up! 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on August 16, 2012, 08:06:42 PM
Football has been divided between more than ever, three groups now exist, haves, sellers & have nots.
The sellers will compete but will only win minor trophies (maybe). The haves will consume all the good
players, enough for 3 squads. The have nots will fight for survival with an objective of staying in the top flight,
to keep the club afloat.

In Europe the Haves are Man City, Chelsea, ManU, PSG, Real, Barca some may throw in Bayern.
Everybody else open to rape & plunder. Lets see how financial fair play works out.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Football supporter on August 16, 2012, 11:48:57 PM

For those Gooners who may have missed this!

Rix to become Central FC coach

Thursday, August 16 2012

RECENTLY-FORMED local football club Central FC is set to hire former Arsenal and England midfielder Graham Rix as its first-ever team coach.

According to a media release from the club, Rix was introduced to Central FC’s staff at a training session on Monday morning at the Presentation College Ground, Chaguanas.

The team was formed by ex-national defender and North East Stars’ Chief Executive Officer (CEO) Brent Sancho last month and had been inviting players to train, as the club is seeking a spot in the 2012/2013 Pro League season.

With regards to the team’s participation in the League, the club officials, on Tuesday, met with the Pro League Board, as well as CEO Dexter Skeene.

“We’ve provided all of the required information including a comprehensive marketing plan,” Sancho said. “Obviously, the league has to perform its due diligence, but we are confident that we meet their criteria.”

Sancho continued, “It’s fantastic to have Graham Rix here to assist us. Obviously, until our Pro League membership is confirmed, we can’t offer any contracts. However, we are hopeful that Graham will like what he sees and will agree to join us once we’re a Pro League club.

“I met Graham at Dundee and was really impressed with his coaching style. Graham won all kinds of trophies as a player and a coach and it’s a true testament of his standing in the game that after his six-month prison sentence in 1999, he could resume his career at Chelsea.

“His experience with the Glenn Hoddle Academy in Spain will really assist this club in identifying talent.”

Rix’s deputies will be former national players Kevin Jeffrey and Anthony Sherwood.

“We are four weeks behind in preparation and for the next few days, the emphasis is on fitness and letting the players get comfortable with each other,” said Jeffrey.

Sherwood added, “we will be reducing the numbers down and Graham will be assisting us in the selection process. We’ve been lucky as most of this group are professionals who have maintained their fitness.

“We just need to get some sharpness into them over the next week so they’ll be ready for the coach to develop his team tactics.”

The team, who will also be known as the Sharks, are hoping to confirm a partnership with Presentation College which will see the club using the school as their training facility.

“The principal has been very supportive and the partnership will bring benefits for both parties,” said Sancho.

Central FC will also be dealing with off-the-field activities, according to Operations Director Kevin Harrison. “Now we have players in training, Brent and I can concentrate on our marketing plan and community projects,” stated Harrison.

The 56-year-old Rix played 17 times for England, between 1980-1984, including five matches at the 1982 World Cup in Spain.

At club level, he scored 41 times in 351 appearances for Arsenal from 1975-1988, followed by spells in France with Caen (nine goals in 89 games from 1988-1991) and Le Havre (12 games in 1991-1992), and later Dundee (two goals in 14 matches in 1992-1993) and Chelsea (one game in 1995).

He began his coaching career at the youth level with Chelsea in 1993, and served as assistant to Ruud Gullit and Gianluca Vialli in the late 1990s.

He was a caretaker manager at Chelsea, for one match, in September 2000 followed by stints with Portsmouth (56 games with 16 victories from February 2001 to March 2002) and Oxford United (29 matches with six wins from March-November 2004).

His last coaching job was with Hearts in Scotland, from November 2005-March 2006, before he was sacked by owner Vladimir Romanov after winning nine out of his 19 games.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: doc on August 18, 2012, 10:15:18 AM
Song goes to Barca ....
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: jason23 on August 18, 2012, 10:38:56 AM
steups....sad yes...........song will be unvailed monday as ah barca player!!.......i just hope the Boy from Real madrid doh become a flop when he sign's on!!!. for Arsenal
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: ckhan on August 18, 2012, 10:50:46 AM
Carzola was the best player today, our only bright spot.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: jason23 on August 18, 2012, 11:07:38 AM
http://www.arsenalhf.com/news/2012/08/18/gunners-agree-15m-fee-for-alex-song-bye-song/
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: fari on August 18, 2012, 12:03:05 PM
Carzola was the best player today, our only bright spot.

men was talking bout oh how he small and this and that...the man is a baller plain and simple.  the offense will take some time to gel but i am not worried
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on August 20, 2012, 08:26:12 AM
Carzola was the best player today, our only bright spot.

men was talking bout oh how he small and this and that...the man is a baller plain and simple.  the offense will take some time to gel but i am not worried

Aguero, Xavi, Messi, Iniesta all small, dat is just talk.

Now arsenal set to sign Sahin, I have always liked this player, though he has not seen much action recently.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: fari on August 20, 2012, 02:33:33 PM
Carzola was the best player today, our only bright spot.

men was talking bout oh how he small and this and that...the man is a baller plain and simple.  the offense will take some time to gel but i am not worried

Aguero, Xavi, Messi, Iniesta all small, dat is just talk.

Now arsenal set to sign Sahin, I have always liked this player, though he has not seen much action recently.

i had heard his name but had not seen him play.  youtubed him and he looks decent, good defensively and silky smooth on the ball  (of course is youtube so u have to take it with a grain of salt).     
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 21, 2012, 12:34:11 PM
Carzola was the best player today, our only bright spot.
Thought Gervinho, Arteta and Gibbs looked good too. Theo was double and triple teamed every time he got the ball but didn't always have the technique or support from his fullback to shift the ball to take advantage of the gaps he created. Jenks still not sure when to go forward and when to stay back. That will only come with time. Diaby had some good moments but he holds on to the ball too long.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: elan on August 21, 2012, 12:41:29 PM
Carzola was the best player today, our only bright spot.
Thought Gervinho, Arteta and Gibbs looked good too. Theo was double and triple teamed every time he got the ball but didn't always have the technique or support from his fullback to shift the ball to take advantage of the gaps he created. Jenks still not sure when to go forward and when to stay back. That will only come with time. Diaby had some good moments but he holds on to the ball too long.

Gervinho was on point, the fella rel show off he self.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on August 21, 2012, 01:07:12 PM
Not convinced about Gervinho even when he was at Lille, but we will see. He has moments, I find him very predictable and seriously one footed. The interesting thing is he is better beating to his left. go figure!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 21, 2012, 01:23:28 PM
Not convinced about Gervinho even when he was at Lille, but we will see. He has moments, I find him very predictable and seriously one footed. The interesting thing is he is better beating to his left. go figure!

Because he can turn inside onto his right foot I think. He's a dribbler, not a crosser. The man clearly has ability but he needs to step up.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: giggsy11 on August 21, 2012, 02:01:32 PM
Not convinced about Gervinho even when he was at Lille, but we will see. He has moments, I find him very predictable and seriously one footed. The interesting thing is he is better beating to his left. go figure!

And he does run the ball over the line like SWP, cause he either run out of room or her push it to far. He must have done that at least 3 or 4 times on Saturday.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Peong on August 21, 2012, 07:30:20 PM
Carzola was the best player today, our only bright spot.

men was talking bout oh how he small and this and that...the man is a baller plain and simple.  the offense will take some time to gel but i am not worried

Aguero, Xavi, Messi, Iniesta all small, dat is just talk.


Tevez, Aguero and Cazorla are built like boxers.  Yuh can't look at them and wisely say they too small for the prem.  Wha bout Nasri and Silva?  Them is muscle-men nah.  Stop talkin to those ppl.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Observer on August 29, 2012, 07:33:15 AM
Walcott is now for sale. I know he is young, but it is not a bad thing to sell Theo for the crazy money being offered. He is a player that has one good game in every 7, way too inconsistent.

Arsenal has offered 6.1 mil a year & Walcott has turned it down
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 30, 2012, 11:48:06 AM
Walcott is now for sale. I know he is young, but it is not a bad thing to sell Theo for the crazy money being offered. He is a player that has one good game in every 7, way too inconsistent.

Arsenal has offered 6.1 mil a year & Walcott has turned it down
Theo plays well in games against teams who will take the game to Arsenal. Against teams that sit deep and play on the break he struggles. It's weird but he does well in big games but not in small ones. He has to play with more tactical intelligence in ordinary fixtures order to live up to his potential.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: giggsy11 on September 02, 2012, 07:08:17 AM
I pullin for Arsenal this year. If United don't win the title, then I want Arsenal to take it.
As much as people have issues with players leaving Arsenal, I think it is good to bring in new players with a different and fresh, hungry attitude. This Arsenal side playing harder and smarter than other sides in recent years.
There are good things to come from Arsenal this year.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on September 02, 2012, 07:27:21 AM
This is the first game I'm watching with the "new" Arsenal, the improvement in defense is amazing.  Diaby has been gone so long, you forget just how good he is. Giroud need a goal bad.

For Liverpool, Sterling looks like the real deal. Liverpool have the knock right now, but I don't think they put a shot on frame yet.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: D.H.W on September 02, 2012, 07:56:11 AM
well well well 2 nil Arsenal. Liverpool is rel shit then.

Rena get beaten with pace.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: giggsy11 on September 02, 2012, 07:57:11 AM
Liverstool need a goalie! Rena partying to much from Spain winnin shite!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on September 02, 2012, 07:57:21 AM
I beginning to think the only luck Liverpool have is bad luck.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: giggsy11 on September 02, 2012, 08:00:46 AM
But aa, Ramsey can't even start these days. And he will be eatin serious bench if and whenever Wilshere come back and Diaby manage to stay healthy.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: giggsy11 on September 02, 2012, 08:10:30 AM
Best and most exciting thing Liverstool have going for them is the 17year old youthman. He has been impressive thus far this season.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Mango Chow! on September 02, 2012, 08:11:59 AM
well well well 2 nil Arsenal. Liverpool is rel shit then.

Rena get beaten with pace.


  He sure did.....and as much as ah see he feelin' bad about it and ah glad to see liverpool and dey fans suffer, ah hadda kinda defend de fella....GK's of any height have dat lil' "blind spot" where the ball will creep under yuh where yuh hands cyah reach if yuh can't get your body down behind the ball fast enough.....yuh could see the ball hit his elbow......rel hard before in fly een de net.  These past few years liverpool really lookin' like a team outta place.....like Oliver Twist crash a party in Richie Rich house.....Chelsea better doh take no shit from dis shit side this year nuh!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: giggsy11 on September 02, 2012, 08:22:56 AM
well well well 2 nil Arsenal. Liverpool is rel shit then.

Rena get beaten with pace.


  He sure did.....and as much as ah see he feelin' bad about it and ah glad to see liverpool and dey fans suffer, ah hadda kinda defend de fella....GK's of any height have dat lil' "blind spot" where the ball will creep under yuh where yuh hands cyah reach if yuh can't get your body down behind the ball fast enough.....yuh could see the ball hit his elbow......rel hard before in fly een de net.  These past few years liverpool really lookin' like a team outta place.....like Oliver Twist crash a party in Richie Rich house.....Chelsea better doh take no shit from dis shit side this year nuh!

Dise he problem right dey, he not getting down fast enough tuh make saves and bad positioning hence letting in all dem soft goals he has been lettin in. Ah bet his arse overweight too!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: D.H.W on September 02, 2012, 08:25:00 AM
 De Gea would save that
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: giggsy11 on September 02, 2012, 08:26:23 AM
De Gea would save that

LOl! SHHHHHHHHHHhhh-doh jinx we nah, since we aint play yet!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: ckhan on September 02, 2012, 08:31:41 AM
Whatever was told to Diaby before today's game against Liverpool I hope it was recorded to be played every week. Best game I've seen him play in, what, 2-3 years, bearing in mind he was injured for most of the time. Liverpool had a great first half and it boiled down a bit in the second. Three clean sheets in three games, better marking on set plays, better position tackling and field awareness (even Jenkinson had a good defensive game) is great for us! Lastly, even though our goals came from an error back pass and a keeper failing to cover ground fast enough, we can build on it start to score!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Mango Chow! on September 02, 2012, 09:05:02 AM
well well well 2 nil Arsenal. Liverpool is rel shit then.

Rena get beaten with pace.


  He sure did.....and as much as ah see he feelin' bad about it and ah glad to see liverpool and dey fans suffer, ah hadda kinda defend de fella....GK's of any height have dat lil' "blind spot" where the ball will creep under yuh where yuh hands cyah reach if yuh can't get your body down behind the ball fast enough.....yuh could see the ball hit his elbow......rel hard before in fly een de net.  These past few years liverpool really lookin' like a team outta place.....like Oliver Twist crash a party in Richie Rich house.....Chelsea better doh take no shit from dis shit side this year nuh!

Dise he problem right dey, he not getting down fast enough tuh make saves and bad positioning hence letting in all dem soft goals he has been lettin in. Ah bet his arse overweight too!

but ent yuh say dat?!?!  He in fete match mode, remember?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: dinho on September 02, 2012, 09:09:25 AM
well well well 2 nil Arsenal. Liverpool is rel shit then.

Rena get beaten with pace.


  He sure did.....and as much as ah see he feelin' bad about it and ah glad to see liverpool and dey fans suffer, ah hadda kinda defend de fella....GK's of any height have dat lil' "blind spot" where the ball will creep under yuh where yuh hands cyah reach if yuh can't get your body down behind the ball fast enough.....yuh could see the ball hit his elbow......rel hard before in fly een de net.  These past few years liverpool really lookin' like a team outta place.....like Oliver Twist crash a party in Richie Rich house.....Chelsea better doh take no shit from dis shit side this year nuh!

Oh please..

Any ball low and hard close to yuh body like that is an easy save with feet once yuh cut out the angle. After all it had nowhere else for Cazorla to put the ball other than square back on top of the box.

For a supposedly top class goalkeeper, that was a stupid goal to concede and I'm sure he himself would admit that. There is no excusing that.

Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bakes on September 02, 2012, 09:37:38 AM
I beginning to think the only luck Liverpool have is bad luck.

We eh need luck... we need finishers.  18-19 shots but only 4 on goal, including one speculative effort from 35 yards from Agger.  Credit to Arsenal, especially Podolski and Cazorla, they made the most of their chances.  If I'm not mistaken both had hands in each other's goals.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Mango Chow! on September 02, 2012, 03:51:09 PM
well well well 2 nil Arsenal. Liverpool is rel shit then.

Rena get beaten with pace.


  He sure did.....and as much as ah see he feelin' bad about it and ah glad to see liverpool and dey fans suffer, ah hadda kinda defend de fella....GK's of any height have dat lil' "blind spot" where the ball will creep under yuh where yuh hands cyah reach if yuh can't get your body down behind the ball fast enough.....yuh could see the ball hit his elbow......rel hard before in fly een de net.  These past few years liverpool really lookin' like a team outta place.....like Oliver Twist crash a party in Richie Rich house.....Chelsea better doh take no shit from dis shit side this year nuh!

Oh please..

Any ball low and hard close to yuh body like that is an easy save with feet once yuh cut out the angle. After all it had nowhere else for Cazorla to put the ball other than square back on top of the box.

For a supposedly top class goalkeeper, that was a stupid goal to concede and I'm sure he himself would admit that. There is no excusing that.





Nobody sayin' reina wouldn't be feeling disappointed....GK's does try to use their feet to kick-save and miss same way too so there's no guarantee he was saving it with his feet if he tried....I am merely pointing out that once he decided he was going to drop his body behind the ball (and not use his feet to kick at it) he was a little slow getting down and inherently doomed because of where the ball passed under him that his hands weren't of better use to him.  If reina was a little quicker getting down or that ball was about a foot further to his left, we would not be having this discussion.  Also, you are terribly mistaken if you think that cazorla's options were as limited as you claimed.  Even in spite of the defender bearing down on him, he coulda slammed the ball further into the last post than he put it, top or bottom corner or he coulda slap it in the top near corner.     

Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: dinho on September 02, 2012, 09:06:43 PM
well well well 2 nil Arsenal. Liverpool is rel shit then.

Rena get beaten with pace.


  He sure did.....and as much as ah see he feelin' bad about it and ah glad to see liverpool and dey fans suffer, ah hadda kinda defend de fella....GK's of any height have dat lil' "blind spot" where the ball will creep under yuh where yuh hands cyah reach if yuh can't get your body down behind the ball fast enough.....yuh could see the ball hit his elbow......rel hard before in fly een de net.  These past few years liverpool really lookin' like a team outta place.....like Oliver Twist crash a party in Richie Rich house.....Chelsea better doh take no shit from dis shit side this year nuh!

Oh please..

Any ball low and hard close to yuh body like that is an easy save with feet once yuh cut out the angle. After all it had nowhere else for Cazorla to put the ball other than square back on top of the box.

For a supposedly top class goalkeeper, that was a stupid goal to concede and I'm sure he himself would admit that. There is no excusing that.





Nobody sayin' reina wouldn't be feeling disappointed....GK's does try to use their feet to kick-save and miss same way too so there's no guarantee he was saving it with his feet if he tried....I am merely pointing out that once he decided he was going to drop his body behind the ball (and not use his feet to kick at it) he was a little slow getting down and inherently doomed because of where the ball passed under him that his hands weren't of better use to him.  If reina was a little quicker getting down or that ball was about a foot further to his left, we would not be having this discussion.  Also, you are terribly mistaken if you think that cazorla's options were as limited as you claimed.  Even in spite of the defender bearing down on him, he coulda slammed the ball further into the last post than he put it, top or bottom corner or he coulda slap it in the top near corner.     



With all due respect dread, yuh talking some lala there..

I might be a jokey fete match keeper, but i know that there are some simple basics which Reina got totally wrong on that one.

There is a way to approach certain situations and cover certain angles to give for a keeper to give himself the best possible chance of blocking a shot. From the angle that Cazorla came in shooting on the left foot across his body, the approach needed for that situation is to step forward to cover the near post and reduce the far post angle as much as possible.  I thought Reina shoulda step forward a little bit more even though he had it fairly well covered. I even thought he couldve stepped forward more on the Podolski goal which was scored from a similar position.

Once Reina gets into the right position he limits Cazorla's options to scoring through his legs or it has to be a very precise shot to get it inside the far post. Only other way Cazorla scoring is by doing something miraculous like roofing it at extreme pace in the near post Vs. All of these are low percentage options.

My main point is that Reina's decision to go down with hands was totally the wrong one. You can't say well once he decided to use his hands etc..... that is a decision making error from jump. If he is in the correct position, then any low shot is within reach using a foot save. By going down for it, he sacrificed the weak spot near his feet and let himself get beaten for pace.

These guys are top class keepers and it have no hard luck in it. Just the fact that you willing to concede that Reina would be disappointed with that is an admission that it was a frankoment goalkeeping error.
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Post by: Mango Chow! on September 03, 2012, 09:37:25 PM
dinho, yuh killin' meh....lol!  Listen, with all due respect to you, too, you complicating this and making more of this "foot-save" thing than is really necessary.  Prior to cazorla's goal, when reina got down (quickly) to save gibbs' shot, which was practically the same shot from practically the same angle as cazorla, just a tad bit more off the ground, did he make a bad decision to get his body behind the ball then, too?  You had a GK when yuh was in England.....if HE was teaching yuh to use yuh foot to make saves....well, dize a first fuh me....All the coaches I ever know or deal with, teach their GK's about getting the body behind the ball.  Dat whole foot-save ting does be more a reflex ting than anything else.  Yuh know hummuch shots dem 'keepers could save by just trapping the ball with they foot? But yuh doh see nobody doin' dat, right?  I am willing to concede that reina made an "error" because he should have gotten down quicker to the ball and I made that very clear.  It isn't because I felt he shoulda use he foot like you are saying.  The one thing I was mistaken about from the onset is that the ball hit his hand and not his elbow.  You saying he shoulda come out more on both goals.  I say he didn't really have the time, he reacted as best the plays allowed him and he got beaten....he just shoulda get down quicker on the second goal, dize all.   


"Once Reina gets into the right position he limits Cazorla's options to scoring through his legs or it has to be a very precise shot to get it inside the far post. Only other way Cazorla scoring is by doing something miraculous like roofing it at extreme pace in the near post Vs. All of these are low percentage options."

Yuh gettin' seriously tie up dey......it wouldn'ta take nothing overly "precise" to score last post or anything "miraculous" to score on the first post....these are well trained professionals, this is not TT Pro League. 
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Post by: BESBRAHN on September 09, 2012, 08:23:02 PM
I agree with Mango Chow. Saying that Reina should have advanced may not apply as he did as time allowed. I can understand Omar saying this as he is a keeper and he knows that advancing narrows the angle and makes it difficult to score. These things happen in a split second and you have to make decisions quickly. I dont see that Cazorla goal as a big error either. It is highlighted because Reina has been in poor form for the past two years. Top keepers get beaten on easier shots, Cech who is a much better keeper than Reina got beaten on a few in the past few years much simpler to save than Cazorla's shot. Tim Howard and Shay Given also guilty of this. It was a bullet by Cazorla!
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Post by: Bitter on September 15, 2012, 08:36:43 AM
Wenger might know a thing or two about football...
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Post by: Bitter on September 15, 2012, 08:41:12 AM
4-0 two own goals. Southampton is completely demoralized.
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Post by: giggsy11 on September 15, 2012, 09:05:00 AM
If Arsene had bought experienced quality players like he buying now when Arsenal had all dem young players, Arsenal would have won a few trophies already. Like Fergie his stubbourness dos sometimes get in the way of things being better.
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Post by: Observer on September 15, 2012, 10:03:14 AM
If Arsene had bought experienced quality players like he buying now when Arsenal had all dem young players, Arsenal would have won a few trophies already. Like Fergie his stubbourness dos sometimes get in the way of things being better.

Too early to say that, but it is a good argument. Many players matured at Arsenal and choose to leave. But yes if he bought some experience while they were there, maybe they would have stayed. However, the bottom line all left Arsenal for the money. Regardless of what they said in the media.
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Post by: ckhan on September 15, 2012, 10:10:15 AM
Nice game, g'vino played very well and Ox like he had a chip on his shoulder...lol...we'll take it.
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Post by: giggsy11 on September 15, 2012, 10:14:53 AM
If Arsene had bought experienced quality players like he buying now when Arsenal had all dem young players, Arsenal would have won a few trophies already. Like Fergie his stubbourness dos sometimes get in the way of things being better.

Too early to say that, but it is a good argument. Many players matured at Arsenal and choose to leave. But yes if he bought some experience while they were there, maybe they would have stayed. However, the bottom line all left Arsenal for the money. Regardless of what they said in the media.

My point is that Arsenal could have benefited from having more experienced players in their side when they had young talents like the ones who ended up leaving. Versus grooming a side of young players to win together and depending on young players to win match in and match out. No matter how good those young players were you still need experienced heads in a side/changing room to show how to win and be a professional. Arsene experimented and loss.
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Post by: Observer on September 15, 2012, 10:33:12 AM
If Arsene had bought experienced quality players like he buying now when Arsenal had all dem young players, Arsenal would have won a few trophies already. Like Fergie his stubbourness dos sometimes get in the way of things being better.

Too early to say that, but it is a good argument. Many players matured at Arsenal and choose to leave. But yes if he bought some experience while they were there, maybe they would have stayed. However, the bottom line all left Arsenal for the money. Regardless of what they said in the media.

My point is that Arsenal could have benefited from having more experienced players in their side when they had young talents like the ones who ended up leaving. Versus grooming a side of young players to win together and depending on young players to win match in and match out. No matter how good those young players were you still need experienced heads in a side/changing room to show how to win and be a professional. Arsene experimented and loss.

Nobody will argue with that! I think he also should have had someone like Bold at his side earlier. Pat Rice, from what I understand was not a person to speak openly. Already they look more organized defensively and are playing faster once they win possession.
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Post by: giggsy11 on September 15, 2012, 10:35:35 AM
If Arsene had bought experienced quality players like he buying now when Arsenal had all dem young players, Arsenal would have won a few trophies already. Like Fergie his stubbourness dos sometimes get in the way of things being better.

Too early to say that, but it is a good argument. Many players matured at Arsenal and choose to leave. But yes if he bought some experience while they were there, maybe they would have stayed. However, the bottom line all left Arsenal for the money. Regardless of what they said in the media.

My point is that Arsenal could have benefited from having more experienced players in their side when they had young talents like the ones who ended up leaving. Versus grooming a side of young players to win together and depending on young players to win match in and match out. No matter how good those young players were you still need experienced heads in a side/changing room to show how to win and be a professional. Arsene experimented and loss.

Nobody will argue with that! I think he also should have had someone like Bold at his side earlier. Pat Rice, from what I understand was not a person to speak openly. Already they look more organized defensively

Yep. They look like a more allround, hardworking side for the first time in years.
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Post by: D.H.W on September 15, 2012, 11:20:06 AM
Shocking
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 20, 2012, 01:46:53 PM
Jack Wilshere trained today with the First Team for the first time in 14 months.

Frimpong back with the squad too.
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Post by: Peong on September 20, 2012, 02:25:54 PM
If Arsene had bought experienced quality players like he buying now when Arsenal had all dem young players, Arsenal would have won a few trophies already. Like Fergie his stubbourness dos sometimes get in the way of things being better.

Too early to say that, but it is a good argument. Many players matured at Arsenal and choose to leave. But yes if he bought some experience while they were there, maybe they would have stayed. However, the bottom line all left Arsenal for the money. Regardless of what they said in the media.

 :rotfl:  Allyuh good yes.
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Post by: morvant on September 22, 2012, 07:24:21 AM
trinigunners meeting at toppers grand bazar tomor for all interested...
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Post by: D.H.W on September 23, 2012, 10:52:53 AM
well done arsenal alyuh showing some fight
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Post by: D.H.W on September 23, 2012, 11:32:31 AM
And the thread remains silent. Hmmm
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Post by: giggsy11 on September 23, 2012, 01:44:26 PM
And the thread remains silent. Hmmm

Facebook is where dem Arsenal people say dey run to. Ah want tuh see if Arsenal win the league if dey will start postin again.
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Post by: Observer on September 23, 2012, 02:41:34 PM
Today the commentator went on and on about Arsenal giving up a goal on a corner due to zonal marking. yet when Arsenal score on Man City who were suppose to be man marking, he eh say squat.

Some thoughts!
Good fighting spirit & still not afraid to attack away from home.
Diaby was poor today
Cazzola is a serious baller always wanting to be on the ball. Dangerous like hell!
Best game I have seen from Metersaka
Gervinho must be frustrating to play with. Dangerous, predictable & wasteful  :frustrated:
Wenger have rose coloured glasses when it comes to Ramsey. Though he look better when he moved central
Walcott! what more can one say!
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Post by: Bakes on September 23, 2012, 04:49:33 PM
Today the commentator went on and on about Arsenal giving up a goal on a corner due to zonal marking. yet when Arsenal score on Man City who were suppose to be man marking, he eh say squat.

You can't be mad at that... no inconsistency there in my mind.  His point was that zonal marking is a more error-fraught system than man-marking.  Whether you agree with him or not.  Heard the same thing said about Liverpool for years under Rafa.  Others have pet peeves when you don't put men on the line.
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Post by: Observer on September 24, 2012, 04:09:26 PM
Today the commentator went on and on about Arsenal giving up a goal on a corner due to zonal marking. yet when Arsenal score on Man City who were suppose to be man marking, he eh say squat.

You can't be mad at that... no inconsistency there in my mind.  His point was that zonal marking is a more error-fraught system than man-marking.  Whether you agree with him or not.  Heard the same thing said about Liverpool for years under Rafa.  Others have pet peeves when you don't put men on the line.

Not mad at all. Just thought it was an ideal situation to show the weaknesses of both systems of dealing with corners. In reality, Man City had a significant height advantage and regardless of the marking used, City more than likely would have had chances of corners (or any set plays), it is after all one of their main strengths.
What was interesting also was that City had 9 corners & scored 1, while Arsenal had four and scored 1.  :waiting:
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Post by: D.H.W on September 29, 2012, 06:29:54 AM
Manchester supporter not supposed to be bumping alyuh thread man. Stueps.

1-1 nice equaliser from arsenal
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Post by: ckhan on September 29, 2012, 06:38:44 AM
Again, shambolic defending from a set piece. Nice equaliser...
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Post by: giggsy11 on September 29, 2012, 06:54:45 AM
Arsenal's game tuh take. They moving the ball well against Chelski but Ramsey and poor decision making killin dem.
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Post by: Observer on September 29, 2012, 07:03:53 AM
Arsenal's game tuh take. They moving the ball well against Chelski but Ramsey and poor decision making killin dem.

Footballing wise Arsenal look better & show more adventure, but dam they are shakey on set plays. Two goals on set plays already today, one last game.

Ramsey for me is a player who should come off the bench (at best). Agreed he makes far to many poor decisions in possession.
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Post by: giggsy11 on September 29, 2012, 07:09:19 AM
Arsenal's game tuh take. They moving the ball well against Chelski but Ramsey and poor decision making killin dem.

Footballing wise Arsenal look better & show more adventure, but dam they are shakey on set plays. Two goals on set plays already today, one last game

Yeah, they still clueless. Arsene try tuh hide Ramsey out on the flanks but Diaby's injury forced him back in the middle and the boy killin the run! I hope for his sakes it was the injury that ruined his abilities and he is not a natural shithound! He have tuh eat bench once all midfielders healthy!

Torres ahs tuh be one of the clumsies players with such technical abilities, never see a fella stumble and fall down so much when in attack.
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Post by: giggsy11 on September 29, 2012, 07:36:40 AM
Giroud better not be another Chimak (bad spelling). These players who can't produce under presssure! :banginghead:
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Post by: Observer on September 29, 2012, 07:45:00 AM
Giroud better not be another Chimak (bad spelling). These players who can't produce under presssure! :banginghead:

Ramsey injury will oviously have a psychological effect & its hard to come back from such a horrific injury
Tough game for him (Giroud) to come into and the extra touch he took on the missed chance, is usually the mark of a player that
lacks confidence.
Cazolla had 3 good chances that on another day he would have scored.
Chelsea were far better organized & their midfield worked well on the defensive transition.
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Post by: D.H.W on September 29, 2012, 07:46:08 AM
All that money and they won't buy better players, Arsenal team of the 90's and early 2000 was poison. Berchamp, Henry, viera, seaman etc. Solid team.
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Post by: giggsy11 on September 29, 2012, 07:50:37 AM
Giroud better not be another Chimak (bad spelling). These players who can't produce under presssure! :banginghead:

Ramsey injury will oviously have a psychological effect & its hard to come back from such a horrific injury
Tough game for him (Giroud) to come into and the extra touch he took on the missed chance, is usually the mark of a player that
lacks confidence.
Cazolla had 3 good chances that on another day he would have scored.
Chelsea were far better organized & their midfield worked well on the defensive transition.

Chelsea did well defensively but I don't get Arsenal's reluctance to attack from the wide area with Gervinho and Ox. They let Chelski's right back have an easy game today and Cole. Chelski look better defensively wiithout both Mkel and Lampard in midfield, less gaps and more quickness.
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Post by: Observer on September 29, 2012, 08:10:39 AM
All that money and they won't buy better players, Arsenal team of the 90's and early 2000 was poison. Berchamp, Henry, viera, seaman etc. Solid team.

Arsenal eh have the money to compete in todays football market, with the likes of Chelsea, Man City etc. Shit Chelsea pay 32 million pounds for Hazard alone.
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Post by: ckhan on September 29, 2012, 08:31:36 AM
G'vino is a fustrating player to watch! He and Ramsey killed forward runs all game! What is the sense having Walcott and not using him to the best of his abilities? Man making the runs on the right and no ball coming his way. Maybe it was a 12:30pm game...dunno...
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Post by: Bakes on September 29, 2012, 08:43:34 AM
G'vino is a fustrating player to watch! He and Ramsey killed forward runs all game! What is the sense having Walcott and not using him to the best of his abilities? Man making the runs on the right and no ball coming his way. Maybe it was a 12:30pm game...dunno...

I personally think Gervinho is a one-footed shithong.  Somebody should file ah injunction to have him stop using dat Portuguese name.
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Post by: Observer on October 02, 2012, 10:37:20 AM
Diaby injured again. Like that man is the last drainings of he father. Lard!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 03, 2012, 03:14:19 PM
Nice win today! Wonder what celebrity is going to die tomorrow?
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 03, 2012, 03:57:34 PM
Who needs Van Persie when you have Gervinho?  :heehee:
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Post by: Observer on October 06, 2012, 11:15:12 AM
Ramsey killing Arsenal on both ends of the ball. Defending poor & his decisions in possession poor.
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Post by: elan on October 06, 2012, 11:29:38 AM
Last night on Twitter I saw arsenal asking "should Giroud start?"
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Post by: fari on October 06, 2012, 12:40:24 PM
Last night on Twitter I saw arsenal asking "should Giroud start?"

i knew he would start today and i had a feeling he would score which he did....he could have had 2 but was a lil unlucky.   great performance allround, westham have played some good football this season and will casue quite a few teams problems...especially with that carroll-nolan 1-2 combo...also diame had the game of his life...he will go back to being a nobody now ;D
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Post by: Observer on October 06, 2012, 01:25:31 PM
Last night on Twitter I saw arsenal asking "should Giroud start?"

i knew he would start today and i had a feeling he would score which he did....he could have had 2 but was a lil unlucky.   great performance allround, westham have played some good football this season and will casue quite a few teams problems...especially with that carroll-nolan 1-2 combo...also diame had the game of his life...he will go back to being a nobody now ;D

Don"t think the Hammers fans will stand for that long ball bash them football for a long time. Its predictable & lacks flexibility.
Giroud did well today, he is technically better than Chamak & his movement is intelligent. He will come good. Cazola is a very special player & with him alone Arsenal have more scoring opportunity from outside the area in 6 games than they have in a year.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 06, 2012, 04:49:08 PM
Ramsey killing Arsenal on both ends of the ball. Defending poor & his decisions in possession poor.

I didn't think he was that bad. Not as incisive as he has been in recent games and he look real foolish when Diame breed him and score but he had a decent game in the first half. Second was a lot better.
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Post by: ckhan on October 07, 2012, 10:08:21 AM
Ramsey should be no where near the starting 11...d man is piss poor!! Glad that Giroud scored, hopefully more will follow...Diame's goal was nice as well!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 08, 2012, 09:31:22 AM
Ramsey should be no where near the starting 11...d man is piss poor!! Glad that Giroud scored, hopefully more will follow...Diame's goal was nice as well!

Apart from the 1 error against Diame I can't think of a reason to call him "piss poor". Maybe if you gave a few more examples.
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Post by: ckhan on October 20, 2012, 11:24:07 AM
I expected the slow start after the International break. I don't blame the keeper for the goal, if only he was a little faster getting up... No surprises wth g'vino and Ramsey...one trick pony and piss poor respectively.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 22, 2012, 11:04:00 AM
Gervinho has been much better in the middle than out wide recently. It's a shame he wasnt shifted there. With Norwich sitting deep we could have used some movement up front. Not to say he didn't just play crap this weekend because he did (including another nice air kick from a beautiful cross).

I think Arsenal when chasing games like this one should shift Gervinho in the middle with Giroud and stick Cazorla on the right flank in a 4-4-2. Wenger's subs made no sense. Ramsey was awful. Gnabry looked promising on his debut but it's asking too much to expect him to save the game.
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Post by: kaliman2006 on October 23, 2012, 06:40:10 PM
Although I am a Liverpool fan, I am a big admirer of Thierry Henry. I found this clip on you tube. For the benefit of those Arsenal fans who have not seen it, here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGzI38BF-FI
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Post by: D.H.W on October 23, 2012, 09:52:23 PM
Where is the great arsenal that went a whole season un defeated?
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 25, 2012, 02:05:57 PM
Where is the great arsenal that went a whole season un defeated?

Gone long time. Along with quality players who don't miss half a season due to injury. And tactical flexibility to adjust to the shortages.
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Post by: Bitter on October 30, 2012, 03:42:08 PM
This ref is an Arsenal fan.

They went down 4-0 in the first half and score the equalizer in the 6th minute of 4 minutes of stoppage time.
Meanwhile Koscielny should have had a second yellow. The equalizing goal had to score twice b/c the linesman ent see it go over the line, nor the handball on the line just before that.

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Post by: D.H.W on October 30, 2012, 03:45:35 PM
Where is the great arsenal that went a whole season un defeated?

Gone long time. Along with quality players who don't miss half a season due to injury. And tactical flexibility to adjust to the shortages.

I find it strange wenger could coach a bomb squad like that, but fraid to spend the bucks to get back players of that calibre.
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Post by: Blue on October 30, 2012, 03:48:16 PM
nice comeback
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Post by: Bitter on October 30, 2012, 03:57:51 PM
Chamakh gives arsenal the lead.
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Post by: D.H.W on October 30, 2012, 04:05:01 PM
Obeah
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Post by: Bitter on October 30, 2012, 04:22:15 PM
This game is rediculous.
12 goals!

7-5 for Arsenal
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Post by: Blue on October 30, 2012, 04:25:54 PM
Game, Set, Match
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 31, 2012, 10:14:54 AM
Nice win but that defending boy! Jeezan!
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Post by: Observer on November 01, 2012, 07:33:02 AM
Nice win but that defending boy! Jeezan!

Worrying! both 1v1 & in the air. The defenders over commit in 1v1 situations & don't challenge in the air to be there first
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on November 01, 2012, 12:53:41 PM
Nice win but that defending boy! Jeezan!

Worrying! both 1v1 & in the air. The defenders over commit in 1v1 situations & don't challenge in the air to be there first

Koscielny seems to be regressing sharply. To me he was Arsenal's best centre back last season. Now he looks like doing the same thing Djourou did after his shoulder injury. Miquel and Martinez were awful but then they are very raw. Jenkinson didn't look good either but he has played enough excellent games to get a bligh for this one. Frimpong not ready either. Coquelin was decent but only really came to life when Eisfeld came on. The defensive display was sluggish and lackadaisical. Those players all have the ability to do better.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on November 02, 2012, 10:03:54 AM
Always strongly objected to the criticisms of Walcott. He is no Henry but people who say he is crap are completely misguided. Unfortunately, I fear he may be sold in January.

Theo Walcott, not a bad little footballer after all

http://www.7amkickoff.com/2012/theo-walcott-not-a-bad-little-footballer-after-all/ (http://www.7amkickoff.com/2012/theo-walcott-not-a-bad-little-footballer-after-all/)

Theo Walcott isn’t the greatest footballer ever, that’s Theirry Henry. Theo Walcott has limitations but every footballer has limitations, except Dennis Bergkamp and Theirry Henry — who were peerless. But, Theo Walcott is also not as limited as the lazy pundits make him out to be.

I’m not just writing this because Walcott had a great game against Reading, but rather because the Reading game was a reminder of what’s great about Walcott. And since I wrote my piece about the game yesterday and highlighted his performance, both the player and I have come in for quite a bit of criticism. Which is fair enough! Criticize away, I can take it.

Most of the criticism has come in the form of tropes or cliches about his footballing ability. “He needs space” being the main one and the subsequent “he doesn’t fit Arsenal’s system” backing the “he needs space” critique. Both of these are about how teams like West Ham and Aston Villa pack the defense and thereby neutralize Walcott’s effectiveness.

Somewhere in his career, possibly at the very start and almost certainly at the hands of someone like Mark Lawrenson, Walcott was tagged as a “speed merchant” damning him with the label for the rest of his career. And it’s true, sadly, Walcott is fast. Maybe he should slow down so that pundits like Chris Waddle have time to catch up to what Walcott is doing.

It’s also true that Walcott, like Thierry Henry, loves it, LOVES IT, when he gets the ball on the counter attack and there are acres of  space and few defenders to beat. Hell, show me an out and out striker who doesn’t love that situation. Thierry Henry was a massive counter attacking threat. Pires or Bergkamp would just play the ball to him and off he would go! Just like Cazorla or Arshavin playing the ball to Theo and letting him run at a defense caught with its pants down.

But Walcott, and you cannot deny this, is probably faster than Henry and has amazing touch for a player that fast. You try to control a through ball when running at full speed and I guarantee you’ll look a lot more like Gervinho than Walcott. So, if the defenders give him space and he’s given a ball to run onto Theo Walcott will more than likely control and have a one-on-one versus the keeper. That’s what we’ve now come to call “a typical Walcott goal.” And I will admit, it’s his speciality.

It was (and still is) a specialty of Thierry Henry and I don’t say that to make a comparison between the two but rather to make a comparison between the two teams. Henry is a special talent. His run and goal against Real Madrid was one of the best moments I have ever experienced as a fan. Henry should be awarded a small fiefdom for his goal against Tottenham because it was simply majestic. Walcott has moments similar to those, but the problem is that this Arsenal team aren’t set up to play counter attacking football. This Arsenal team are a possession based team and that often means that Arsenal will find themselves with the ball, passing around in the opposition half, and looking for a breakthrough.

Which is where Theo Walcott is not very good, right?

Well, I went back and looked at his goal scoring record and watched a number of his goals and assists. My conclusion is that we should continue to give him credit for his pace, touch, and finishing when the opposition gifts him space but we need to back down a bit off this meme that he doesn’t do well against teams who pack the defense.

For example, Sam Allardyce’s West Ham. West Ham went up 1-0 and packed the defense in. After Poldi and Giroud combined to bring the game level, West Ham earned a corner. Arsenal countered off that corner and Theo scored a “typical Walcott goal”, latching onto a through ball controlling, and finishing beautifully. West Ham packed in the defense again and let Arsenal poke around the outside looking for an opening. Walcott dribbled past several defenders, passed to Cazorla who elected to bypass Walcott’s good run and shoot a wondergoal instead. Walcott is credited with the assist. It’s a dubious assist to be fair, and a kind of ugly dribble (not Henryesque), but here’s a player who supposedly can’t score against teams who pack the defense scoring, dribbling, and providing an assist against the king of defense packers.

But let’s put that one down to providence. He was lucky.

How about the 5-3 against Chelsea last year? Do you remember his goal? It was again against a team that was packing the defense. Walcott dribbles, is tripped, gets up, keeps dribbling and with half a chance, finishes.

But let’s put that one down to providence. He was lucky.

Ok, how about Aston Villa last year in the FA Cup? Villa have the lead at 2-1 and their manager is another known defense packer, Allie McLeish. Their defense is set up so deep that some of the players complain of getting the bends when they venture near the half-way line. Theo Walcott, simply, dribbles around half the team and scores from close range after the ball pings around off Richard Dunne.

But Theo Walcott was lucky again!

How about Fulham? Martin Jol is a defense packer and doubleplus packs the defense when his team have the lead. So, anyway, Fulham are up 1-0 after a Vermaelen own goal and it’s getting late but Fulham are packing in the defense. Walcott gets the ball on the right and puts  in a cross. Vermaelen heads home. 1-1 Arsenal.

Lucky, Theo.

Remember QPR? Sparky loves to set his teams up to play defense first and especially if they have a one goal lead. So QPR are up one nil and they have 8 men behind the ball, and it’s just Rosicky, Walcott, and van Persie in attack. But Walcott makes a really smart little run, gets some space, shoots off the post and puts the rebound back in for Arsenal’s only goal.

What a lucky boy.

I could go on and on. In the space of a few weeks, Walcott scored against Villa, QPR and Wolves. Against Wolves he just earns a penalty with a lovely run in crowded space, then gets himself a goal against Wolves who are crowding the box. And I could, I suppose, go back another year and find further examples of Theo scoring or providing assists against these defensive teams.

All probably just luck.

Looking at all of his goals, I have to admit that Walcott is most effective breaking at speed or counter attacking and that Arsenal don’t do this as well as they probably should.

That said, Walcott’s not as bad as some pundits would like you to believe. And maybe he does occasionally score against teams that pack it in.

Perhaps it’s all luck, but let’s remember this is a player who is just 23 years old. He will get better over the next four years as he gains experience. I think it would be a shame to lose him as I think he’s really starting to show what he can offer Arsenal. Thankfully, it looks like Arsenal’s position may be softening, at least their PR position is softening, since they ran an article this morning saying that Arsenal have “urgency” in their contract talks with Theo.

Maybe he’s not the most graceful player to dribble the air out of a ball and maybe he does need someone to provide him with service more than other players (it’s a point I’ve made before), but his finishing is great, as are his runs, his crosses, and his touch at pace.

I was one of the people who was sanguine about him leaving, but he’s changed my mind on that with his performances so far this season and I think Arsenal should keep him now rather than let him blossom at another team.

He’s not a bad little footballer. He’s no Thierry Henry, he’s Theo.
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Post by: Bitter on November 03, 2012, 06:48:50 AM
Vermalen sell out or what?
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Post by: D.H.W on November 03, 2012, 06:49:39 AM
Rvp 1nil
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Post by: ckhan on November 03, 2012, 06:52:46 AM
Not an easy game tuh watch...
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Post by: Bitter on November 03, 2012, 07:30:27 AM
Self-destruct button pressed.
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Post by: Bitter on November 03, 2012, 07:31:10 AM
Wow. That sums up the first half doesn't it.
Could this game get any worse?
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Post by: ckhan on November 03, 2012, 07:49:02 AM
Could have slept for 45 minutes...hope we perfrom better in the 2nd half
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Post by: Bitter on November 03, 2012, 07:50:30 AM
Somebody have to investigate this arsenal team for match fixing
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Post by: D.H.W on November 03, 2012, 10:47:49 AM
Glory Glory!

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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on November 05, 2012, 10:58:47 AM
Disappointing in the extreme. Conceding 2 stupid goals and a stupid penalty. No link between midfield and attack for yet another game. Arsenal beat themselves. Amazing that this is basically the side that looked the better team drawing at City and now pop down. Gunners had no business losing this game. Wenger need to start kicking their ass when they do crap like this. Vermaelen first.
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Post by: Bitter on November 05, 2012, 01:42:06 PM
Actually that is not the same team that tie with city. They missing Gibbs, Diaby and Gervino.
The fellas on FSN make a comment that I could agree with, Arsenal squad could beat anybody. The team that sweating now? not so much.

The thing that must frustrate Wenger (though a lot if it is his own doing) is that he seemed to have cover for every position at the start of the season and was looking forward to the return of players like Wilshere, Sagna and Rosicky to strengthen the squad. Now he in the same position as last season, Podolski, Cazorla are a little stale, Ramsay is a good player that doesn't add anything to the team in his current position, and he has no one on the bench to be able to change things up.  And look now, Ramsay injured too.

This is an opportunity for Arshavin to make his way back into the picture. I can't see any good replacement for Santos, so he plays until Gibbs is back.

Arsenal's biggest problem might be the medical staff/training regimen. Every season there are multiple players out, often in the same position, or a position where they are thin.

I expect as they get players back and/or get knocked out of competitions, they will improve considerably.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on November 05, 2012, 02:02:22 PM
Actually that is not the same team that tie with city. They missing Gibbs, Diaby and Gervino.
The fellas on FSN make a comment that I could agree with, Arsenal squad could beat anybody. The team that sweating now? not so much.

The thing that must frustrate Wenger (though a lot if it is his own doing) is that he seemed to have cover for every position at the start of the season and was looking forward to the return of players like Wilshere, Sagna and Rosicky to strengthen the squad. Now he in the same position as last season, Podolski, Cazorla are a little stale, Ramsay is a good player that doesn't add anything to the team in his current position, and he has no one on the bench to be able to change things up.  And look now, Ramsay injured too.

This is an opportunity for Arshavin to make his way back into the picture. I can't see any good replacement for Santos, so he plays until Gibbs is back.

Arsenal's biggest problem might be the medical staff/training regimen. Every season there are multiple players out, often in the same position, or a position where they are thin.

I expect as they get players back and/or get knocked out of competitions, they will improve considerably.

Agree with a lot of what you saying. I said it was basically the side that played City though, not the same team. Missing a lot in attacking midfield right now and players are losing form. Vermaelen and Koscielny especially.

I think it may be a good idea to have Cazorla and Ramsey switch positions. #10 seems to be the only spot that Ramsey has done well in and Cazorla is proven on the flanks for his last 2 clubs. Also as teams seem to have found Arsenal's soft left flank a more solid, hard working midfielder is needed on that wing and Podolski's work rate has dropped a lot since the international break. The loss of Diaby and Rosicky along with Wilshere's rustiness have meant missing a driving central ball carrier, which is a big loss in a team of passers.

I really dunno how we always end up missing EVERYBODY in one position nah. Last year it was fullbacks, year before strikers.
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Post by: Observer on November 05, 2012, 04:11:26 PM
Just my two cents,, but Ramsey really does not deserve to be in the squad. Far too many poor decisions in possession & no penetration when he plays wide.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on November 07, 2012, 02:22:09 PM
Just my two cents,, but Ramsey really does not deserve to be in the squad. Far too many poor decisions in possession & no penetration when he plays wide.
Remember Ramsey only playing because Rosicky and Ox injured. But I think he is better in the middle. I say switch him with Cazorla until the others return.
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Post by: Bitter on November 10, 2012, 10:55:04 AM
Monster game by Giroud, he might be the real deal.
Arteta had a horrible game.

Arsenal showing flashes of coming out of their funk, but they just don't have it
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Post by: giggsy11 on November 10, 2012, 10:55:32 AM
WOW :o Arsenal! How disappointing not to be able to take the points.
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Post by: Bakes on November 10, 2012, 10:56:03 AM
Phil Dowd is officially the worst referee in the Premier League... that was never a penalty against Reither, almost cost Fullham a well-deserved point.  Almost as bad as his penalty given against Skrtel for the inadvertent trip on Shane Long in Liverpool's loss to West Brom on opening day.
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Post by: Bakes on November 10, 2012, 10:57:50 AM
Monster game by Giroud, he might be the real deal.
Arteta had a horrible game.

Arsenal showing flashes of coming out of their funk, but they just don't have it

If Giroud had a 'monster' game... what did Berba have?  I personally thought Giroud was more wasteful... and lucky more than anything else.
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Post by: giggsy11 on November 10, 2012, 11:00:09 AM
Forget selling Van Persi, I think the player Arseanl miss more is Song. He gave them power, intensity and drive out of midfield. And he actually helped the defence. What ahppen to Frimpong? (sic)
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Post by: Bitter on November 10, 2012, 11:07:05 AM
Monster game by Giroud, he might be the real deal.
Arteta had a horrible game.

Arsenal showing flashes of coming out of their funk, but they just don't have it

If Giroud had a 'monster' game... what did Berba have?  I personally thought Giroud was more wasteful... and lucky more than anything else.

Berba was Berba. He didn't have that sublime Berba moment though.
I don't see how luck come into either of Giroud's two goals. They were well taken. Arsenal might have been lucky that he hit the post and it come back to Walcott, but Giroud still had to score them.
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Post by: Observer on November 10, 2012, 11:09:23 AM
They don't look athletic enough at the back an in the Central midfield. No physicality what so ever. Recovery seems so slow, Challenges in the air, weak and they also look slow at putting pressure on the ball in midfield, so it leaves them vulnurable at the back to counters.
Ramsey and Arteta both dwell on the ball in general and teams know if you press them they will make poor decisions. Again potential counter situations.
Giroud, Podolski and Cazola need time to settle so you have to be fair to them, they do look like they fitting in.
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Post by: elan on November 10, 2012, 11:10:49 AM
Crix
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Post by: Bourbon on November 11, 2012, 10:33:07 AM
Written by an Arsenal fan on twitter :

Robin van Persie was right.The difference between Arsenal and
Manchester United has been crystal clear tonight and, for the first time, I don't blame Robin van Persie one bit for forcing his way
out of Arsenal. He moved to a better team and turned down a bigger money offer from ManCity.

Today Arsenal led 2-0 and threw it away, whilst Man Utd trailed 0-2 and

came back to win 3-2.

The worst part is that at 2-0, you knew Arsenal would throw it away. At 0-2, you knew Man Utd would come back.

All the best, Robin. No bitterness from me.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on November 12, 2012, 11:30:12 AM
They don't look athletic enough at the back an in the Central midfield. No physicality what so ever. Recovery seems so slow, Challenges in the air, weak and they also look slow at putting pressure on the ball in midfield, so it leaves them vulnurable at the back to counters.
Ramsey and Arteta both dwell on the ball in general and teams know if you press them they will make poor decisions. Again potential counter situations.
Giroud, Podolski and Cazola need time to settle so you have to be fair to them, they do look like they fitting in.

I think the real defensive problem, as usual, is midfield. Arteta had probably his worst game for us, Coquelin needs to remember he is a defensive midfielder. Barring the first goal, where Berbatov commits a blindingly clear foul on Sagna (which makes the nonsense penalty Arsenal got in injury time only fair, shame about the outcome), the second was a free header the defensive midfielders SHOULD have picked up, and the third was Arteta getting robbed and bringing Ruiz down.

You right Bitter. Giroud was a beast. Funny to think that in Montpellier last season he scored only 1 header in his league leading 21 goals. Waiting to see some more footwork from him but I'll take the goals any way they score.

Attack looking better but now we seem to have forgotten how to defend. I don't think the team is well balanced with Walcott and Podolski on the flanks. Good in attack but they can't play keep-ball and control games like they used to with one technical winger.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on November 16, 2012, 10:13:17 AM
There is, of course, no defending in a North London Derby. Both teams have injury problems and in poor form. Come on you Gunners!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on November 19, 2012, 08:51:35 AM
Great result. Performance could have been better but some very encouraging signs. Adebayor, thank you for being you!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on November 23, 2012, 11:04:03 AM
Good week. NLD win, Qualified for UCL Knockouts and big new shirt deal. Hope they spend the money on some nice acquisitions!
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Post by: dinho on December 12, 2012, 09:57:44 AM
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Post by: giggsy11 on December 12, 2012, 10:32:52 AM
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 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: -crickets
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Post by: Peong on December 12, 2012, 11:55:42 AM
This side is real toots and the supporters real sensitive. 
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Post by: D.H.W on December 12, 2012, 01:17:15 PM
Hahaha not even Liverpool fans are such pussies. They run off to friendbook
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Post by: Observer on December 13, 2012, 07:25:19 AM
Looks like Wenger getting 50mil pounds to spend in January here is a shopping list or at least write Santa.

CB: Andreas Bjelland FC Twente
      Vertonghen's       Ajax


MF: Fellini         Everton
      Moutinho    Porto
      M'Vila         Rennes
      Nainggolan  Cagliari
      Capoue      Toulouse
     
Att:   Rodriguez  Porto
        Martinez    Porto
        Lloriente    Biilbao
        Ba             NC
        Lukaku      Chelski     
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Post by: Bitter on December 17, 2012, 03:22:08 PM
Reading getting bull hard today.

Walcott playing forward. Ramsay and Gervinho on the bench.
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Post by: Observer on December 17, 2012, 07:40:24 PM
Today Arsenal look real sweet and deadly going forward. They still leave some serious gaps at the back, don't understand how at times Arsenal throw both fullbacks into attack. Today on three occasions they had two players left to defend & one of them slower than Wenger
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Post by: D.H.W on December 17, 2012, 08:23:27 PM
Arsenal need to beat up the big boys not take the little boys lunch money
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Post by: giggsy11 on December 17, 2012, 08:47:29 PM
Arsenal = gutless and soft. I want tuh see if they finish outside of top 4 if things remain status quo.
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Post by: doc on December 22, 2012, 08:53:37 AM
Another three points!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 27, 2012, 10:04:34 AM
(http://cdn.chud.com/2/28/350x263px-LL-288e5732_tumbleweed004gi3.gif)

Hahahahaha! Still missing us?
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Post by: Bitter on December 29, 2012, 01:27:45 PM
There was a little girl, who had a little curl
Right in the middle of her forehead,
And when she was good, she was very, very good,
But when she was bad she was horrid.

Henry Wadsworth Longfellow.
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Post by: doc on December 29, 2012, 01:28:54 PM
Three more
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Post by: Dinner Mints on December 29, 2012, 01:30:34 PM
Gibbs is a mess.
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Post by: elan on December 29, 2012, 01:42:17 PM
Walcott is pure toots.
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Post by: D.H.W on December 29, 2012, 04:11:47 PM
I Still remember the Arsenal team that went unbeaten a few years ago. Bomb squad, Dennis Bergkamp is a legend , i remember watching this live , Vintage wine

http://www.youtube.com/v/cJaU5Q5Jv8w
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Post by: giggsy11 on December 29, 2012, 06:54:32 PM
Arsenal is still a shite side! Walcott still lacks a footballing brain and the side still lacks heart!
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Post by: Fyzoman on December 30, 2012, 07:16:12 AM
A A me eh know is ah best goal Walcott score, just see it on Sportscenter Top Plays...fellah coulda stay down and roll, roll, roll, but decide to get up and delightfully chip de keeper, NICE:)
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Post by: sammy on December 30, 2012, 10:22:48 AM
I Still remember the Arsenal team that went unbeaten a few years ago. Bomb squad, Dennis Bergkamp is a legend , i remember watching this live , Vintage wine

http://www.youtube.com/v/cJaU5Q5Jv8w

love the back ground music.....kinda sounds like six feet under
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Post by: doc on January 01, 2013, 01:26:40 PM
Lucky point today...
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Post by: Observer on January 01, 2013, 06:38:39 PM
Lucky point today...

Ent! Worst performance of the season: Sagna like he was stale drunk. Wilshire was awful in possession. Podolski did not want the ball at all, Gibbs eating beat like ihe auditioning for man vs food. Both subs Gervinho and Ramsey had no impact what so ever.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on January 02, 2013, 02:36:24 PM
Lucky point today...

Ent! Worst performance of the season: Sagna like he was stale drunk. Wilshire was awful in possession. Podolski did not want the ball at all, Gibbs eating beat like ihe auditioning for man vs food. Both subs Gervinho and Ramsey had no impact what so ever.

100% agreed. Always following one good performance with a horrible one. To be honest Southampton were the better team.
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Post by: Bitter on January 06, 2013, 09:10:21 AM
Sumptuous strike by Gibbs!

Swansea loss the plot after they score. Now they can't even make a simple pass.
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Post by: Bitter on January 06, 2013, 09:15:33 AM
and of course, Arsenal gives it right back with terrible defending.
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Post by: Observer on January 06, 2013, 10:06:59 AM
and of course, Arsenal gives it right back with terrible defending.

Bitter it is a matter of aggression. Look at both goals, Matasacker is so slow, gets not only turned, but pushed aside like a child. If that was Puyol, Vidic or even Carrager that striker would have been clattered so bad he fillings would have come loose. Just before the second goal Sagna give them a gift, by heading weakly in the box instead of putting the ball out. On the second goal Arsenal never really attack the ball and even when it came to Graham, Arteta could have got in, choke the shooter and block the shot. But nah he hesitate, did nothing and let Graham set sights and level it.
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Post by: D.H.W on January 06, 2013, 10:54:45 AM
Arsenal sorf. They don't like aggressive play and they lack that killer instinct. Give them room to play and they look pretty. Only one style.
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Post by: Bitter on January 06, 2013, 11:35:41 AM
To be honest, the defending in the EPL this year has been sub-standard all around. Swansea defending was just as bad. In fact of the 4 goals, 3 of them come down to poor defending. And D.H.W, is not like if Man U defense doing anything great. If by killer instinct you mean Van Persie, then yeah, Arsenal lacking that.
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Post by: D.H.W on January 06, 2013, 12:50:23 PM
If you want to beat arsenal rough them up. It's been working years for us
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Post by: Observer on January 06, 2013, 02:30:15 PM
If you want to beat arsenal rough them up. It's been working years for us

Ent! just ask Chelski, Bolton, Stoke, Sunderland,  ;D
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Post by: giggsy11 on January 13, 2013, 09:43:27 AM
Common Arsenal-earn allyuh pay today.
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Post by: Bakes on January 13, 2013, 09:51:12 AM
Suspicious package seen outside the Emirates today... no truth to the rumors that it's a new defense for Arsenal.
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Post by: giggsy11 on January 13, 2013, 10:05:22 AM
Diaby playing-improves Arsenal chances for the game and in midfield.
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Post by: giggsy11 on January 13, 2013, 10:09:27 AM
Game spoil! Mad man defending!
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Post by: Bitter on January 13, 2013, 10:10:03 AM
Game spoil! Mad man!

Ent
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Post by: D.H.W on January 13, 2013, 10:14:19 AM
Stueps, going and watch zero dark thirty. Meh lunch spoil
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Post by: giggsy11 on January 13, 2013, 10:18:00 AM
Let the man take he chances with scoring-it early in the game. No yuh go and get yuh self send off like a shuppidie, leaving yuh side down 10. A prayin a Citeh player get send off now.
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Post by: kaliman2006 on January 13, 2013, 10:32:51 AM
Dat red card has really ruined what could have been a pulsating contest.

2-0 City after half an hour.

Steups...
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Post by: Bitter on January 13, 2013, 11:34:37 AM
Crap call by the ref.
A straight red?
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Post by: giggsy11 on January 13, 2013, 11:38:54 AM
Watch wilshere geh send off. He is another lil English imps who always in the middle of something. Is like he take over Rooney's title since he has cooled down.
 Giroud is rell lite weight boi. If he not scoring/trowin away he brings nought to the team.
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Post by: kaliman2006 on January 13, 2013, 11:41:18 AM
Kompany should have learned his lesson when he got sent off for a similar tackle against Man Utd in that FA Cup match last year.
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Post by: giggsy11 on January 13, 2013, 11:46:06 AM
Kompany should have learned his lesson when he got sent off for a similar against Man Utd in that FA Cup match last year.

Yep-Wilshere was done hurling out off control already before Kompany came in sideways.
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Post by: Bitter on January 13, 2013, 11:49:40 AM
Why Arsenal can't show this kind of grit normally?
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Post by: Mango Chow! on January 13, 2013, 12:12:30 PM
Dat red card has really ruined what could have been a pulsating contest.

2-0 City after half an hour.

Steups...

it's not the card that ruined the contest, it was the tackle/foul.  The referee (in that case) got it absolutely correct.
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Post by: Bakes on January 13, 2013, 02:26:44 PM
Crap call by the ref.
A straight red?

Lol... allyuh real bias boy.  How is that a 'crap call' when the tackle prevented a 1-v-1 with the goalie?  Classic DOGSO => straight red.  Yellow might have been fair, but hard to really argue the red.
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Post by: Observer on January 13, 2013, 04:09:25 PM
Crap call by the ref.
A straight red?

Lol... allyuh real bias boy.  How is that a 'crap call' when the tackle prevented a 1-v-1 with the goalie?  Classic DOGSO => straight red.  Yellow might have been fair, but hard to really argue the red.

How slow do you have to be to get turned by Dzeko  ;D seriously it was a red, no argument. Arsenal lack quality in far too many positions.
The decision to play Diaby in front of Coquelin was a curious one, especially in a game of this magnitude. Diaby looked way below match fitness and reluctant to put a foot in.  Did not understand the decision to take off Podoloski, Giroud came on with no urgency what so ever.
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Post by: Bitter on January 13, 2013, 07:53:05 PM
Crap call by the ref.
A straight red?

Lol... allyuh real bias boy.  How is that a 'crap call' when the tackle prevented a 1-v-1 with the goalie?  Classic DOGSO => straight red.  Yellow might have been fair, but hard to really argue the red.

How slow do you have to be to get turned by Dzeko  ;D seriously it was a red, no argument. Arsenal lack quality in far too many positions.
The decision to play Diaby in front of Coquelin was a curious one, especially in a game of this magnitude. Diaby looked way below match fitness and reluctant to put a foot in.  Did not understand the decision to take off Podoloski, Giroud came on with no urgency what so ever.

I was talking about Kompany.
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Post by: Bakes on January 13, 2013, 08:24:35 PM
I was talking about Kompany.

See, I wake up on 4 hours sleep to watch the Liverpool-Man U. contest... then only take in the first half of Arsenal-City before rolling over on de couch lol

Observer wha'is your excuse  ;D
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Post by: dinho on January 14, 2013, 10:42:52 AM
I think both red card calls were poor decisions... before allyuh jump down my throat let me explain.

The red card decision for Koscielney i think was a poor decision even though the rule was correctly applied. Basically I think it was a clear foul and pk, but to say it prevented a 1 v 1 when Dzeko was so near the goalkeeper already I have a problem with. If that is a red card then there are so many penalty foul situations I can think of that should merit a red card too. For example lets say a simple cross in the box finds an attacker in the 6 yard box alone being marked by a defender and he gets pulled down. Red card too?

I think the rule should be looked at again because as far as I know the rule regarding red card for intentionally denying a clear goalscoring opportunity was implemented to prevent professional fouls by defenders in those situations. I think it was a stupid foul by Koscielney, but don't think there was malice. According to someone in another chat during the game, the penalty kick awarded reinstates the goalscoring opportunity so is there really a need to spoil the whole game with a red card as well? I don't fault the ref for the application of the rule, but within the context of the game I think a yellow card would have sufficed if the ref used his discretion.

As for the Kompany red card well that was just a plain bs call. Wilshire overpushes the ball and Kompany comes into the challenge and gets all ball with a one footed challenge. If that is a red card then skate tackling should be eliminated from the game altogether. I suspect that the red card will be reversed on appeal.
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Post by: kaliman2006 on January 15, 2013, 03:24:43 PM
Well look ting; Kompany has gotten his red card rescinded.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1300369/man-city%27s-vincent-kompany-wins-appeal-against-red-card?cc=5901
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Post by: doc on January 16, 2013, 04:32:14 PM
Arsenal saved by Jack.... Forward to Brighton!!
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Post by: Observer on January 16, 2013, 07:54:52 PM
So true Doc. At the risk of becoming a parrot, I don't see what Walcott brings. Way way too inconsistent.
However, looks like he will remain.
He is not a striker & against good teams will not get a sniff. Today was interesting in terms of experimenting.
Maybe Wenger shoud consider Cazzola as a false 9 supported by Jack, Walcott / Oxdale and Podolski.
Giorud I am giving time to adapt, but first impressions are he is Clydesdale.
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Post by: Bitter on January 20, 2013, 07:27:46 AM
Torres and not Ba?

Rafa feeling sorry for allyuh?
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Post by: kaliman2006 on January 20, 2013, 07:38:24 AM
Mata shows Giroud how to finish...1-0 Chelsea.
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Post by: Bitter on January 20, 2013, 07:46:56 AM
2-0 Game Done.
Arsenal need to stop playing on Sundays
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Post by: kaliman2006 on January 20, 2013, 07:49:15 AM
Maybe it's the snow...

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Post by: Bitter on January 20, 2013, 07:54:22 AM
Sagna's crosses are terrible.
As are Walcott's corner kicks.
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Post by: Observer on January 20, 2013, 07:56:10 AM
Arsenal can't even kick a corner. Lard!
Both central midfielders are a mess (so far). Diaby in particular, need 5 touches to play & out of position defensively man just ghosting past him

Chelsea looks real good especially on the break. No answers for Mata, Oscar, Hazard, Lampard & Ramirez
Seems like everytime Atkinson shows up Arsenal lose
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Post by: Bitter on January 20, 2013, 08:01:20 AM
Yep, Diaby just running in circles and then need a week to play the ball when he get it.
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Post by: giggsy11 on January 20, 2013, 08:08:18 AM
Wenger neeed to go, what type of side is he building? How many years now we hearing everytime Arsenal get over run is boys against men? Shite, when United play them in the 08 CL the term was used. Keep buying average players, and acting like he has lost his passion to do his job.
Arsenal is embarrassing, they lack heart, industriousness and purpose. They also play the way Wenger is coaching, one demensional and rudderless. All of their players beside Wiltshire are mediocre; they not on their game they bring nothing else to the side, to a match.
Oh, yeah the ref aint helping the cause.
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Post by: giggsy11 on January 20, 2013, 08:14:20 AM
Arsenal should have let Walcott walk and paid that 100,000 a week to a better player. What a waste of money.
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Post by: Observer on January 20, 2013, 08:25:45 AM
I agree with most of what you are saying. A bit harsh on all the players being mediocre. Cazola? Podolski? Lets not forget Arteta, Oxdale, and Podolski are out.  Just look down Arsenal's left today, Cazola cannot contain Chelski full back, Coquelan comes over to cover and then the middle of the park becomes wide open. Diaby on his own
Sagna having a nightmare on both ends of the park.


In possession when Arsenal midfield get the ball they have nobody ahead of them to pass too. Sideways slow football
 
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Post by: giggsy11 on January 20, 2013, 08:38:17 AM
I agree with most of what you are saying. A bit harsh on all the players being mediocre. Cazola? Podolski? Lets not forget Arteta, Oxdale, and Podolski are out.  Just look down Arsenal's left today, Cazola cannot contain Chelski full back, Coquelan comes over to cover and then the middle of the park becomes wide open. Diaby on his own
Sagna having a nightmare on both ends of the park.


In possession when Arsenal midfield get the ball they have nobody ahead of them to pass too. Sideways slow football
 

I here yuh. What frustrates me with Wenger and some managers is how they continuously play players out of position in order to continue playing their system. Not putting the player in a position to succeed. Put Ramsey wide and leave Cazola in the middle where he is more effective. Even when they had all those players healthy they were still playing shite. Like I said what else they bringing to the side if they not performing? Arsenal need to scrap this thing and start over with a new energy.
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Post by: Observer on January 20, 2013, 08:42:54 AM
No doubt they need big buys: athletic technically skilled central midfielder (or 2), a central defender of true quality & a genuine striker. A zamaleta type left back would be nice as well
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Post by: Bitter on January 20, 2013, 08:45:31 AM
And a totally different Arsenal shows up in the 2nd half - with the same players.
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Post by: Observer on January 20, 2013, 08:52:24 AM
And a totally different Arsenal shows up in the 2nd half - with the same players.
Bitter its so true, but its a desperation thing. They need a squad that gives opponents jitters before kick off. This squad
most teams will fancy their chances playing against them.
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Post by: giggsy11 on January 20, 2013, 09:10:30 AM
Wenger still thinks Arshavin is a winger.
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Post by: D.H.W on January 20, 2013, 09:16:35 AM
Stueps this team boy
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Post by: Bitter on January 23, 2013, 02:59:42 PM
I know is only West Ham eh, but when Arsenal is on, they are breathtaking.
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Post by: giggsy11 on January 23, 2013, 05:16:32 PM
As much as ah think Wilshire can be a little imps- ah love how he does run ball and his skill set. Nice touch, vision and footballing brain. He just neess tuh calm himself or he will geh break up early and often. I would take him in United's midfield any day. Cool yuh self grasshopper.
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Post by: Observer on January 23, 2013, 05:51:43 PM
As much as ah think Wilshire can be a little imps- ah love how he does run ball and his skill set. Nice touch, vision and footballing brain. He just neess tuh calm himself or he will geh break up early and often. I would take him in United's midfield any day. Cool yuh self grasshopper.

he has many good qualities and I agree when he carries he makes things happen. He will need to be more tidy in his own half. I find he gives the ball away in some dangerous places. I might be harsh but, he should study Xavi, Iniesta, Alonso etc they seldom make a bad pass, if any, in their own half.
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Post by: Bitter on January 26, 2013, 09:34:14 AM
Santos lie on he resume when he say he is a left back?
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Post by: Observer on January 26, 2013, 09:38:33 AM
Santos lie on he resume when he say he is a left back?

 :rotfl: :rotfl:  His english not good. When they ask him, why you here? he say "i was left back"

Talk about a poor player. Positioning poor, defending poor, decision making poor
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Post by: Bitter on January 26, 2013, 09:48:33 AM
Santos lie on he resume when he say he is a left back?

 :rotfl: :rotfl:  His english not good. When they ask him, why you here? he say "i was left back"

Talk about a poor player. Positioning poor, defending poor, decision making poor

And he look like he bun too.
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Post by: Observer on January 26, 2013, 09:50:17 AM
Santos lie on he resume when he say he is a left back?

 :rotfl: :rotfl:  His english not good. When they ask him, why you here? he say "i was left back"

Talk about a poor player. Positioning poor, defending poor, decision making poor

And he look like he bun too.

Ent! the ball went for a thrown in and the man stagger like a boxer who get hit on the chin. Lard!
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Post by: Observer on January 26, 2013, 11:00:34 AM
I understand the need for squad rotation, but I am struggling with arsenal's approach. If you look at Real, Barca etc. they may make some suttle changes but the core of the squad remains. Arsenal change the LB, RB, 2 MF players, and 3 attackers. 7 changes overall.

On another note Arsenal players look unfit. First of all they seem to play very slow, mainly through lack of movement. When pressuring the ball, their is no energy or speed. When the ball is lost the recovery is a jog. Is it me or others recognize this.
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Post by: Deeks on January 26, 2013, 11:25:38 AM
I understand the need for squad rotation, but I am struggling with arsenal's approach. If you look at Real, Barca etc. they may make some suttle changes but the core of the squad remains.

Kind of unfair comparison. Sometimes the top players take a rest during the copa del rey.
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Post by: Observer on January 26, 2013, 11:44:10 AM
I understand the need for squad rotation, but I am struggling with arsenal's approach. If you look at Real, Barca etc. they may make some suttle changes but the core of the squad remains.

Kind of unfair comparison. Sometimes the top players take a rest during the copa del rey.

Sure Deeks, but 7 players in a knock out competition. Copa Del Rey is home and away and even with that, 7 changes. is rear
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Post by: doc on January 26, 2013, 01:02:25 PM
I understand the need for squad rotation, but I am struggling with arsenal's approach. If you look at Real, Barca etc. they may make some suttle changes but the core of the squad remains. Arsenal change the LB, RB, 2 MF players, and 3 attackers. 7 changes overall.

On another note Arsenal players look unfit. First of all they seem to play very slow, mainly through lack of movement. When pressuring the ball, their is no energy or speed. When the ball is lost the recovery is a jog. Is it me or others recognize this.
Koscielny didn't start the last game, but Giroud did.
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Post by: Bitter on January 30, 2013, 03:11:35 PM
This side is schizophrenic.  :banginghead:
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Post by: Observer on January 30, 2013, 07:13:00 PM
Some real jokey defendin
This side is schizophrenic.  :banginghead:
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This side is schizophrenic.  :banginghead:

Jokey ass defending again. Maybe is me but Mertesacker is way too soft. Tidy on the ball, but weak in 1v1 defending. Santos, what can one say that has not been said "fete match baller" Sagna having the worst season in the EPL, coming back from injury is never easy.
At least the team showed some character  Facts are facts the team has given up to date in the league 29 goals. Last year all season 49 goals in the league, so they well on course.
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Post by: Observer on February 01, 2013, 08:50:45 AM
Well finally Arsenal signed someone of quality in the January window. Left back Nacho Montreal from Malaga. Good solid player with International experience. Still no decent Central defender signed, nor a Holding midfielder or Striker.
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Post by: Cocorite on February 16, 2013, 10:09:46 AM
Arsenal eh serious? Don't they have any ideas? Ah like Wenger an' all but what are they doing? Yuh mean they cyar break down Blackburn?
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Post by: Cocorite on February 16, 2013, 10:29:48 AM
No surprise. Blackburn scored
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Post by: Observer on February 16, 2013, 11:02:27 AM
No surprise. Blackburn scored

Ent! First to begin this is the one trophy that you have a shot at and your starting line up is not your best. WTF!
Then playing slow slow slow like old timers. Is not like the ball moving side to side with speed. Nutten nutten.
And when they do create chances the finishing is wowful.
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Post by: Bitter on February 19, 2013, 02:24:50 PM
Arsenal problems notwithstanding, Bayern is defending in packs.
It looks like there are 2 Bayern players for every Arsenal one.
I thought that only used to happen on FIFA 12/13
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Post by: Bakes on February 19, 2013, 03:28:20 PM
Not sure who the analyst working with Gus Johnson is... but he is highly irritating.  Not only does he insist on pronouncing Bayern "Bay-ern" (as opposed to "Ba-yern") but Neuer just made a fantastic save of a Giroud shot in the 73'... he bawl, Neuer didn't know a whole lot about it.

Walcott bright all day... best thing going for Arsenal right now.
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Post by: Bitter on February 19, 2013, 03:33:19 PM
Neuer didn't know a whole lot about it.
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Post by: Dinner Mints on February 19, 2013, 03:40:36 PM
he bawl, Neuer didn't know a whole lot about it.
English commentators said the same thing. Giroud really just kick it at him.
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Post by: Observer on February 19, 2013, 03:44:35 PM
Bayern simply way more quality. They were more athletic, quicker in the transition and clinical on the finish.

Even with a better second half performance Arsenal really did not scare Bayern.
Did not understand the Podolski substitution???
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Post by: D.H.W on February 19, 2013, 04:18:13 PM
Another day at Arsenal
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Post by: Bakes on February 19, 2013, 04:26:09 PM
Neuer didn't know a whole lot about it.

Nonsense... watch the replay and you'll see Neuer move both hands to his right, directly into the path of the ball. That was no accidental save, as Ray Clemence's comment implies.

http://www.youtube.com/v/7fcUC3RDYFM
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Post by: giggsy11 on February 19, 2013, 05:47:50 PM
Arsenal need tuh suffer a few seasons out of the top four. So many teams fighting to get where they have been/are and dey taking that for granted by making decisions that turning the club into a mediocre club. Holding on tuh a bunch of injury prone players, who bring nothing to the side. I am waiting to see who is the next great player they will be able to attract to that club. Arsene9 killing people's careers by playing dem out of position.
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Post by: Bitter on February 19, 2013, 06:14:50 PM
Neuer didn't know a whole lot about it.

Nonsense... watch the replay and you'll see Neuer move both hands to his right, directly into the path of the ball. That was no accidental save, as Ray Clemence's comment implies.

http://www.youtube.com/v/7fcUC3RDYFM

Neuer didn't know a whole lot about it.
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Post by: D.H.W on February 19, 2013, 06:41:08 PM
Wenger out!
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Post by: Observer on February 23, 2013, 10:36:42 AM
Arsenal are crazy, pushing on two full backs at the same time & not one holding midfielder to cover on
the side of the ball. Most teams today would even have two. Especially when you leading the game. Twice you get caught on counters on corners & yet you leaving two back alone, against one of the quickest teams on counters. Consequence Goal in yuh ass.
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Post by: fari on February 23, 2013, 02:03:44 PM
Arsenal are crazy, pushing on two full backs at the same time & not one holding midfielder to cover on
the side of the ball. Most teams today would even have two. Especially when you leading the game. Twice you get caught on counters on corners & yet you leaving two back alone, against one of the quickest teams on counters. Consequence Goal in yuh ass.


arteta try as he might is not dynamic or athletic enough in that role...lord if we had a javi martinez or a schweinstiger like player.    i am glad for the win, did not see the game but checked highlights and thank god cazorla came with his shooting boots today...also sczesny needs a purge.
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Post by: Observer on February 24, 2013, 07:56:06 AM
Arsenal are crazy, pushing on two full backs at the same time & not one holding midfielder to cover on
the side of the ball. Most teams today would even have two. Especially when you leading the game. Twice you get caught on counters on corners & yet you leaving two back alone, against one of the quickest teams on counters. Consequence Goal in yuh ass.


arteta try as he might is not dynamic or athletic enough in that role...lord if we had a javi martinez or a schweinstiger like player.    i am glad for the win, did not see the game but checked highlights and thank god cazorla came with his shooting boots today...also sczesny needs a purge.

Truth be told. Desperate for a ball winning Midfielder who can pass. Song left and hardly seeing the field at Barca. Giroud is okay but just an observation, he needs too many chances to score & has an annoying habit of missing easy chances. Arsenal say Wenger (if he around) has 80mil to spend. Not sure its enough to shake up this squad and create competition for places
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Post by: doc on March 03, 2013, 12:39:05 PM
Licking my wounds today.... can't wait for Wednesday
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Post by: Deeks on March 03, 2013, 04:25:07 PM
Licking my wounds today.... can't wait for Wednesday

Aye Doc, how Bethel doing in the play-offs.
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Post by: doc on March 03, 2013, 05:02:10 PM
Don't know how things turned out today. Its just the one game that they've played and lost to Guaya last week.
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Post by: Observer on March 03, 2013, 08:21:41 PM
Arsenal clearly felt that their best chance of defense was to attack. They came out like a home team and had Spurs on the back foot. Two quick goals by Spurs, very preventable I may add, gave everyone the feeling, same old same old. Arsenal playing a high line, with slow CD's, against arguably the quickest team in the league and to make matters worst the line was so spread out you could have passed a wrecking ball between the defenders. All said an excellent game & quite enjoyable. Never a dull moment from the Gunners.

Bayern licking the lips, just play behind or between the defensive line
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Post by: Bourbon on March 03, 2013, 09:24:01 PM
So I guess no St. Totteringham day this year?
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Post by: doc on March 14, 2013, 03:05:12 AM
Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenal.... Wednesday took very long to come. ;D
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Post by: doc on March 16, 2013, 12:32:28 PM
No shot on goal today for Swansea... not half bad, Arsenal!!!
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Post by: Fyzoman on March 16, 2013, 12:44:29 PM
I stepped away and came back when dey was showing the replay of the 2nd goal (didn't realize dey had scored) and see Gervihno running free before he get de pass and matter-of-factly thought, "oh dey showing highlights of how Gervinho miss again'.

You know de man score :)
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Post by: Bitter on April 06, 2013, 10:02:23 AM
In October, I think Arsenal lose this game.
Hell of a defensive effort. West Brom use the sun to their advantage, but they real throw away too.
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Post by: triniairman on April 06, 2013, 01:03:55 PM
Nice one Arsenal....I honestly want this team to finish in 4th with Tottenham third, and Man.Shitty second...Europa league for Chelsea!! hahaha 
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Post by: Bitter on April 13, 2013, 09:50:43 AM
The linesman can see a penalty on the other side of the area through a sea of players, but can't see an offside right in front of him?

Norwich has been hard done by in this game.
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Post by: giggsy11 on April 13, 2013, 09:51:05 AM
But aa-look at Arsenal nah! Now Spurs need tuh get dey self together.
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Post by: fari on April 17, 2013, 09:21:56 AM
http://www1.skysports.com/pfa/28802/854 ... erry-Henry

come on gooners...we need to vote for henry.   no offence to the liverpool supporters but i can't stand stevie g and his sheep-like voice
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Post by: Bitter on April 20, 2013, 08:17:31 AM
Fulham just decide to kick down men today?
Is not like you can't frustrate Arsenal by just playing tight defense. No need for the wild tackles.
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Post by: Bitter on April 20, 2013, 09:32:18 AM
ESPN real annoying with these score updates.
Mess up the rest of my viewing day by telling me the scores.
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Post by: D.H.W on May 12, 2013, 08:02:29 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/923245_514519198595293_332735554_n.jpg)
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Post by: Bitter on May 19, 2013, 10:54:30 AM
Happy Saint Totteringham's Day!
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Post by: kaliman2006 on May 19, 2013, 10:56:36 AM
Happy Saint Totteringham's Day!

Well, there's always the Europa League for the spuds.
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Post by: grimm01 on May 19, 2013, 04:16:11 PM
We're #4!
We're #4!

Lets see how they spend that Emirates and Puma money this summer. SAF gone, Chelsea ManU & Man City have coaching transitions and Tottenham might lose Bale, next season might be a good time to win an actual trophy.
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Post by: doc on May 19, 2013, 04:30:55 PM
Arsenal, Arsenal, ARSENAL!!! ;D  ;D
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Post by: Ngozi on May 19, 2013, 04:42:55 PM
Congrats to the gunners ... hopefully we can push on to bigger and better things next season!
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Post by: Observer on May 19, 2013, 07:23:33 PM
Congrats to the gunners ... hopefully we can push on to bigger and better things next season!

We papa! Where you come out from? Well it was not pretty but Arsenal got the job done. Sale time
Diaby, Ramsey, Mertesacker, Squillache, Arshavin, Gervinho
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Post by: doc on May 19, 2013, 07:44:23 PM
Congrats to the gunners ... hopefully we can push on to bigger and better things next season!

We papa! Where you come out from? Well it was not pretty but Arsenal got the job done. Sale time
Diaby, Ramsey, Mertesacker, Squillache, Arshavin, Gervinho
Add Denilson, Bendtner, Chamakh, Mannone, Djourou, Santos, Park Chu-young
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Post by: grimm01 on May 19, 2013, 08:47:19 PM
Congrats to the gunners ... hopefully we can push on to bigger and better things next season!

We papa! Where you come out from? Well it was not pretty but Arsenal got the job done. Sale time
Diaby, Ramsey, Mertesacker, Squillache, Arshavin, Gervinho

Arshavin gone already. His contract expires in June and earlier this year Arsene said they not going to renew it. I think Bentdner and Chamakh entering final year of theirs. Arsene should just pay them off to leave. Who going and roll the dice on Gervinho and Squillaci ? The way Arsenal wage structure set up them getting paid more than they would get otherwise, so why would they leave for less money? Is best to pay them off and give them a free transfer. Ramsey and Mertesacker not going anywhere for better or worse.
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Post by: dinho on May 20, 2013, 09:00:09 AM
This is what yuh call "never see, come see"....


https://www.youtube.com/v/8BqPjWB4bMU

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Post by: Observer on May 20, 2013, 09:51:49 AM
Congrats to the gunners ... hopefully we can push on to bigger and better things next season!

We papa! Where you come out from? Well it was not pretty but Arsenal got the job done. Sale time
Diaby, Ramsey, Mertesacker, Squillache, Arshavin, Gervinho

Arshavin gone already. His contract expires in June and earlier this year Arsene said they not going to renew it. I think Bentdner and Chamakh entering final year of theirs. Arsene should just pay them off to leave. Who going and roll the dice on Gervinho and Squillaci ? The way Arsenal wage structure set up them getting paid more than they would get otherwise, so why would they leave for less money? Is best to pay them off and give them a free transfer. Ramsey and Mertesacker not going anywhere for better or worse.
Deep down I know that eh. But I hope Arsene send dem Technical and make them bench fitters  ;D
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 21, 2013, 01:32:11 AM
Real looking forward to next season. Spend some damn money Wenger! Everybody else in transition. You have a boss defence. You just missing some cutting edge up front.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 08, 2013, 11:00:32 PM
So, um, Wenger, when we getting the new striker boss? The natives getting restless!  :waiting:
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Post by: fordy on July 08, 2013, 11:03:41 PM
So, um, Wenger, when we getting the new striker boss? The natives getting restless!  :waiting:

Lol alyuh just buy the top U20 striker from the French team. What else alyuh want!?  :beermug:
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 08, 2013, 11:11:27 PM
Congrats to the gunners ... hopefully we can push on to bigger and better things next season!

We papa! Where you come out from? Well it was not pretty but Arsenal got the job done. Sale time
Diaby, Ramsey, Mertesacker, Squillache, Arshavin, Gervinho

Arshavin gone already. His contract expires in June and earlier this year Arsene said they not going to renew it. I think Bentdner and Chamakh entering final year of theirs. Arsene should just pay them off to leave. Who going and roll the dice on Gervinho and Squillaci ? The way Arsenal wage structure set up them getting paid more than they would get otherwise, so why would they leave for less money? Is best to pay them off and give them a free transfer. Ramsey and Mertesacker not going anywhere for better or worse.

Mertesacker was the most CONSISTENTLY good defender we had this season. Best player on the side after Cazorla and Walcott.

Ramsey started the season poorly but by the end of the season he was a valuable performer. A very good passer, hardly ever gave up the ball, mobile and a strong ball winner. Also willing to work harder than most others on the team. A real credit to Wenger for sticking with this player who will only get better. Plus he was played out of position for a large number of games during his poor spell. I have no problems with Ramsey staying in the side.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 08, 2013, 11:12:32 PM
So, um, Wenger, when we getting the new striker boss? The natives getting restless!  :waiting:

Lol alyuh just buy the top U20 striker from the French team. What else alyuh want!?  :beermug:
A proven top level striker. Higuain is a good start. We need more cutting edge in front of goal. Sanogo is one for the future.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 08, 2013, 11:25:57 PM
For all the talk Walcott does get the boy does really produce. 14 goals (10th in the league, 2nd highest midfield scorer after Bale). 10 assists (tied for 4th behind Mata, Hazard & Cazorla). One of only 4 players to hit double figures in both goals and assists (along with Rooney, Mata and Cazorla). Scored against United, Chelsea, Sp*rs, Liverpool & Everton. Last season 8 goals and 8 assists (4th highest midfield scorer, tied for 11th in overall assists). And after signing his contract he scored in the next 4 games.  Why people does waste him down so? Anyway, let people flap their gums while he keeps taking care of business.
Title: Vietnamese Arsenal Fan!
Post by: rotatopoti3 on July 17, 2013, 11:27:44 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-23346190
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 20, 2013, 12:41:18 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-23346190

Like a bawse!

Santos sold to Flamengo!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: vb on July 21, 2013, 05:16:41 PM
Entering Arsenal's dressing room, 2010.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150722638755799&l=814185616756792582
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 21, 2013, 09:51:47 PM
Entering Arsenal's dressing room, 2010.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150722638755799&l=814185616756792582

Why isn't Diaby in the physio room?
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Post by: Peong on July 24, 2013, 04:15:34 PM
Season eh start yet and ppl already start poking fun at Arsenal.


What do you think they're smoking over there at Emirates?
 John W. Henry (@John_W_Henry)

https://twitter.com/John_W_Henry/status/359926622922608641
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Post by: palos on July 24, 2013, 04:57:13 PM
Ramsey started the season poorly but by the end of the season he was a valuable performer. A very good passer, hardly ever gave up the ball, mobile and a strong ball winner. Also willing to work harder than most others on the team. A real credit to Wenger for sticking with this player who will only get better. Plus he was played out of position for a large number of games during his poor spell. I have no problems with Ramsey staying in the side.

Dansteel, you cyah be a Arsenal fan if you sayin dat dey. 

Ramsey was a MAJOR pull stones whole season AND de season before.  De main reason why he play so much is because Wenger stubborn to a fault and loyal beyond reason.  Ramsey bruk he foot a couple years ago and Wenger like he feel he owe him or something.

De sooner Ramsey end up at Queens Park Rangers or when a dem teams so dat desperate to take a Arsenal reject....de better.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 25, 2013, 01:22:54 PM
Season eh start yet and ppl already start poking fun at Arsenal.


What do you think they're smoking over there at Emirates?
 John W. Henry (@John_W_Henry)

https://twitter.com/John_W_Henry/status/359926622922608641

Says the man who spent 35 million pounds on Andy Carroll
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 25, 2013, 02:52:47 PM
Dansteel, you cyah be a Arsenal fan if you sayin dat dey. 

Ramsey was a MAJOR pull stones whole season AND de season before.  De main reason why he play so much is because Wenger stubborn to a fault and loyal beyond reason.  Ramsey bruk he foot a couple years ago and Wenger like he feel he owe him or something.

De sooner Ramsey end up at Queens Park Rangers or when a dem teams so dat desperate to take a Arsenal reject....de better.

Disagree. Ramsey showed his quality in patches in 2011/12 (particularly in the 5-3 victory at Stamford Bridge). However he was very inconsistent and this came over into the 2012/13 season. Playing him on the flank really didn't help. He's a deep lying central midfielder. Decent technique, excellent mobility. Second half of the season he really improved. He was voted player of the month for April by the fans, a month with 3 wins and 2 draws in the team's 5 games (and the draws being Everton and Manchester United). He has been vastly improved in the second half of the season and many fans I have spoken to who wanted him gone have changed their tune. He is doing very well in the preseason games, although they are against weak opposition. I have no problems with Ramsey right now.
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Post by: Bakes on July 25, 2013, 04:34:26 PM
Season eh start yet and ppl already start poking fun at Arsenal.


What do you think they're smoking over there at Emirates?
 John W. Henry (@John_W_Henry)

https://twitter.com/John_W_Henry/status/359926622922608641

Says the man who spent 35 million pounds on Andy Carroll

Which gives him the experience to speak... Gazidis has to be on drugs to think that Suarez only worth 40m pounds.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 25, 2013, 10:20:33 PM
Season eh start yet and ppl already start poking fun at Arsenal.


What do you think they're smoking over there at Emirates?
 John W. Henry (@John_W_Henry)

https://twitter.com/John_W_Henry/status/359926622922608641

Says the man who spent 35 million pounds on Andy Carroll

Which gives him the experience to speak... Gazidis has to be on drugs to think that Suarez only worth 40m pounds.

I guess he got even more "experience" signing Downing and Henderson. Personally I don't want Suarez. Purely as a footballer yes, he is worth more but considering the fact that he is a madman who is one step away from a ban at any time, will probably end up embarrassing the club, and is currently working on poisoning relations with his third club in a row after doing the same at Groningen and Ajax, I don't think he is worth as much as his talents alone would be.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 05, 2013, 09:26:05 AM
Brendan Rodgers is kicks yes! Talking about Arsenal lacking class when they are the ones plastering Suarez negotiations all over the papers and tweeting "what is Arsenal smoking". :rotfl:
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Post by: Mango Chow! on August 05, 2013, 10:41:45 AM
Brendan Rodgers is kicks yes! Talking about Arsenal lacking class when they are the ones plastering Suarez negotiations all over the papers and tweeting "what is Arsenal smoking". :rotfl:

  Maybe he was talking purely from a footballing perspective after he see Drogba skin allyuh out (yet) again this week  ;D :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 05, 2013, 12:19:47 PM
Brendan Rodgers is kicks yes! Talking about Arsenal lacking class when they are the ones plastering Suarez negotiations all over the papers and tweeting "what is Arsenal smoking". :rotfl:

  Maybe he was talking purely from a footballing perspective after he see Drogba skin allyuh out (yet) again this week  ;D :devil:

What, you mean one good goal in a friendly against an exhausted Mertesacker and makeshift defence and one ridiculous (and typically Drogba) dive to win a penalty? If that is a "skin out" I am the Emperor of Japan!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Mango Chow! on August 05, 2013, 12:43:02 PM
Brendan Rodgers is kicks yes! Talking about Arsenal lacking class when they are the ones plastering Suarez negotiations all over the papers and tweeting "what is Arsenal smoking". :rotfl:

  Maybe he was talking purely from a footballing perspective after he see Drogba skin allyuh out (yet) again this week  ;D :devil:

What, you mean one good goal in a friendly against an exhausted Mertesacker and makeshift defence and one ridiculous (and typically Drogba) dive to win a penalty? If that is a "skin out" I am the Emperor of Japan!

  lol! Easy, padnah, I jes pullin' yuh leg...but yuh cyah deny Drogba is allyuh faddah. (and the penalty was a legit one.....defenders cannot use their arms or hands to push an opponent in the box and expect to get away with it.)*****well, at least get away with it ALL de time.  ;D
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 05, 2013, 01:15:27 PM
Brendan Rodgers is kicks yes! Talking about Arsenal lacking class when they are the ones plastering Suarez negotiations all over the papers and tweeting "what is Arsenal smoking". :rotfl:

  Maybe he was talking purely from a footballing perspective after he see Drogba skin allyuh out (yet) again this week  ;D :devil:

What, you mean one good goal in a friendly against an exhausted Mertesacker and makeshift defence and one ridiculous (and typically Drogba) dive to win a penalty? If that is a "skin out" I am the Emperor of Japan!

  lol! Easy, padnah, I jes pullin' yuh leg...but yuh cyah deny Drogba is allyuh faddah. (and the penalty was a legit one.....defenders cannot use their arms or hands to push an opponent in the box and expect to get away with it.)*****well, at least get away with it ALL de time.  ;D
Hahahaha! Nutten legit bout dat penal boss. He back into Miquel and went down like a sniper get him. As it was a friendly, I was real laughing. Anyway, I sure if Koscielny was playing like he would a real game Drogs would be in he back pocket. Dat man hate strikers like sharks love blood.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Mango Chow! on August 05, 2013, 01:29:28 PM
Brendan Rodgers is kicks yes! Talking about Arsenal lacking class when they are the ones plastering Suarez negotiations all over the papers and tweeting "what is Arsenal smoking". :rotfl:

  Maybe he was talking purely from a footballing perspective after he see Drogba skin allyuh out (yet) again this week  ;D :devil:

What, you mean one good goal in a friendly against an exhausted Mertesacker and makeshift defence and one ridiculous (and typically Drogba) dive to win a penalty? If that is a "skin out" I am the Emperor of Japan!

  lol! Easy, padnah, I jes pullin' yuh leg...but yuh cyah deny Drogba is allyuh faddah. (and the penalty was a legit one.....defenders cannot use their arms or hands to push an opponent in the box and expect to get away with it.)*****well, at least get away with it ALL de time.  ;D
Hahahaha! Nutten legit bout dat penal boss. He back into Miquel and went down like a sniper get him. As it was a friendly, I was real laughing. Anyway, I sure if Koscielny was playing like he would a real game Drogs would be in he back pocket. Dat man hate strikers like sharks love blood.

   ;D Spoken like a true prodigal son, showing no respeck fuh he faddah...I sure if Drogba was playin' like it was a real game Koscielny woulda been left witless like so many other arsenal defenders before him....but hear nuh. if de man tryin' and position he self for a cross and it look like he have to back up to reach de ball, ent he havta to back up? and ent de defender have to stand his ground and keep him from backin' up?....but he not supposed to push de man wit he arms or hands...yuh cyah say dat wasn't legit man, oh GAWSH! (allyuh wicked boy! lol!)

 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Peong on August 05, 2013, 01:33:39 PM
Tottenham lookin good to finish higher than allyuh this year
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: dinho on August 05, 2013, 01:42:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/grjzY3_3Pjk

It missing the 2 from this weekend...

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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 05, 2013, 02:02:22 PM
Tottenham lookin good to finish higher than allyuh this year

Hahahaha! How many years men bawling dat? We waiting. :bringiton:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 05, 2013, 02:02:50 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/grjzY3_3Pjk

It missing the 2 from this weekend...



Only one. The penalty was a dive.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 05, 2013, 02:06:19 PM
Brendan Rodgers is kicks yes! Talking about Arsenal lacking class when they are the ones plastering Suarez negotiations all over the papers and tweeting "what is Arsenal smoking". :rotfl:

  Maybe he was talking purely from a footballing perspective after he see Drogba skin allyuh out (yet) again this week  ;D :devil:

What, you mean one good goal in a friendly against an exhausted Mertesacker and makeshift defence and one ridiculous (and typically Drogba) dive to win a penalty? If that is a "skin out" I am the Emperor of Japan!

  lol! Easy, padnah, I jes pullin' yuh leg...but yuh cyah deny Drogba is allyuh faddah. (and the penalty was a legit one.....defenders cannot use their arms or hands to push an opponent in the box and expect to get away with it.)*****well, at least get away with it ALL de time.  ;D
Hahahaha! Nutten legit bout dat penal boss. He back into Miquel and went down like a sniper get him. As it was a friendly, I was real laughing. Anyway, I sure if Koscielny was playing like he would a real game Drogs would be in he back pocket. Dat man hate strikers like sharks love blood.

   ;D Spoken like a true prodigal son, showing no respeck fuh he faddah...I sure if Drogba was playin' like it was a real game Koscielny woulda been left witless like so many other arsenal defenders before him....but hear nuh. if de man tryin' and position he self for a cross and it look like he have to back up to reach de ball, ent he havta to back up? and ent de defender have to stand his ground and keep him from backin' up?....but he not supposed to push de man wit he arms or hands...yuh cyah say dat wasn't legit man, oh GAWSH! (allyuh wicked boy! lol!) 

Koscielny building up a real nice collection of big name strikers he bobolize. Drogba ent no different.

And what push? Drogs back into the man and then collect the Jason Bourne head shot. How long Drogba is a con man and you bawling legit foul?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Mango Chow! on August 05, 2013, 07:11:26 PM
Brendan Rodgers is kicks yes! Talking about Arsenal lacking class when they are the ones plastering Suarez negotiations all over the papers and tweeting "what is Arsenal smoking". :rotfl:

  Maybe he was talking purely from a footballing perspective after he see Drogba skin allyuh out (yet) again this week  ;D :devil:

What, you mean one good goal in a friendly against an exhausted Mertesacker and makeshift defence and one ridiculous (and typically Drogba) dive to win a penalty? If that is a "skin out" I am the Emperor of Japan!

  lol! Easy, padnah, I jes pullin' yuh leg...but yuh cyah deny Drogba is allyuh faddah. (and the penalty was a legit one.....defenders cannot use their arms or hands to push an opponent in the box and expect to get away with it.)*****well, at least get away with it ALL de time.  ;D
Hahahaha! Nutten legit bout dat penal boss. He back into Miquel and went down like a sniper get him. As it was a friendly, I was real laughing. Anyway, I sure if Koscielny was playing like he would a real game Drogs would be in he back pocket. Dat man hate strikers like sharks love blood.

   ;D Spoken like a true prodigal son, showing no respeck fuh he faddah...I sure if Drogba was playin' like it was a real game Koscielny woulda been left witless like so many other arsenal defenders before him....but hear nuh. if de man tryin' and position he self for a cross and it look like he have to back up to reach de ball, ent he havta to back up? and ent de defender have to stand his ground and keep him from backin' up?....but he not supposed to push de man wit he arms or hands...yuh cyah say dat wasn't legit man, oh GAWSH! (allyuh wicked boy! lol!) 

Koscielny building up a real nice collection of big name strikers he bobolize. Drogba ent no different.

And what push? Drogs back into the man and then collect the Jason Bourne head shot. How long Drogba is a con man and you bawling legit foul?

  So you're saying the defender did NOT push Drogba in the back whatsoever, is that it? I eh go deny that Drogs made the most of it but once  use yuh arms to obstruct or impede an opponent in your box and then yuh arkskin' fuh trouble.....con man or not, if you also deny that Drogba seem to have a special love for scoring against yuh side yuh haven't been paying attention....but like yuh say., is only pre-season.  :D
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 05, 2013, 07:25:54 PM
  So you're saying the defender did NOT push Drogba in the back whatsoever, is that it? I eh go deny that Drogs made the most of it but once  use yuh arms to obstruct or impede an opponent in your box and then yuh arkskin' fuh trouble.....con man or not, if you also deny that Drogba seem to have a special love for scoring against yuh side yuh haven't been paying attention....but like yuh say., is only pre-season.  :D

Drogs back into Miquel and frankoment flop on the ground like he get shot. Complete dive. Typical Drogba. Even the commentators laugh at how ridiculous it was. He used to score on us all the time, yes, but hasn't since 2010. Last time he played against us for allyuh man like Djourou had him tie up like a market crab. Anyway, yes, is only preseason. He skin out slow ass Mertesacker at the end of his 2nd 90 minutes in 2 days. 1 decent goal, 1 fraudster penalty. If yuh want to gloat over a fraud then like yuhself.
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Post by: Mango Chow! on August 05, 2013, 07:31:21 PM
  So you're saying the defender did NOT push Drogba in the back whatsoever, is that it? I eh go deny that Drogs made the most of it but once  use yuh arms to obstruct or impede an opponent in your box and then yuh arkskin' fuh trouble.....con man or not, if you also deny that Drogba seem to have a special love for scoring against yuh side yuh haven't been paying attention....but like yuh say., is only pre-season.  :D

Drogs back into Miquel and frankoment flop on the ground like he get shot. Complete dive. Typical Drogba. He used to score on us all the time, yes, but hasn't since 2010. Last time he played against us for allyuh man like Djourou had him tie up like a market crab. Anyway, yes, is only preseason. He skin out slow ass Mertesacker at the end of his 2nd 90 minutes in 2 days. 1 decent goal, 1 fraudster penalty. If yuh want to gloat over a fraud then like yuhself.


  Ah see like yuh takin' what start off as a lil' joke more serious than yuh need to...nobody gloating, horse, I was jes gettin' kicks from de start but you chose to argue the merits of the penalty and against the importance of the goals and game itself (which, we both seem to agree is not that big a deal...maybe unless allyuh woulda win the tournament).  Hopefully yuh go get a good night's sleep and get over it by the morning.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 05, 2013, 07:34:42 PM
  So you're saying the defender did NOT push Drogba in the back whatsoever, is that it? I eh go deny that Drogs made the most of it but once  use yuh arms to obstruct or impede an opponent in your box and then yuh arkskin' fuh trouble.....con man or not, if you also deny that Drogba seem to have a special love for scoring against yuh side yuh haven't been paying attention....but like yuh say., is only pre-season.  :D

Drogs back into Miquel and frankoment flop on the ground like he get shot. Complete dive. Typical Drogba. He used to score on us all the time, yes, but hasn't since 2010. Last time he played against us for allyuh man like Djourou had him tie up like a market crab. Anyway, yes, is only preseason. He skin out slow ass Mertesacker at the end of his 2nd 90 minutes in 2 days. 1 decent goal, 1 fraudster penalty. If yuh want to gloat over a fraud then like yuhself.


  Ah see like yuh takin' what start off as a lil' joke more serious than yuh need to...nobody gloating, horse, I was jes gettin' kicks from de start but you chose to argue the merits of the penalty and against the importance of the goals and game itself (which, we both seem to agree is not that big a deal...maybe unless allyuh woulda win the tournament).  Hopefully yuh go get a good night's sleep and get over it by the morning.

LOL! I over it hoss. Is YOU keep bringing it up. I say fraud penal and you latch onto that like a drowning man on a water wing. Honestly I didn't even bother watching the games live. I don't even remember the last time I watch Emirates Cup live.
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Post by: Mango Chow! on August 05, 2013, 07:48:11 PM
  So you're saying the defender did NOT push Drogba in the back whatsoever, is that it? I eh go deny that Drogs made the most of it but once  use yuh arms to obstruct or impede an opponent in your box and then yuh arkskin' fuh trouble.....con man or not, if you also deny that Drogba seem to have a special love for scoring against yuh side yuh haven't been paying attention....but like yuh say., is only pre-season.  :D

Drogs back into Miquel and frankoment flop on the ground like he get shot. Complete dive. Typical Drogba. He used to score on us all the time, yes, but hasn't since 2010. Last time he played against us for allyuh man like Djourou had him tie up like a market crab. Anyway, yes, is only preseason. He skin out slow ass Mertesacker at the end of his 2nd 90 minutes in 2 days. 1 decent goal, 1 fraudster penalty. If yuh want to gloat over a fraud then like yuhself.


  Ah see like yuh takin' what start off as a lil' joke more serious than yuh need to...nobody gloating, horse, I was jes gettin' kicks from de start but you chose to argue the merits of the penalty and against the importance of the goals and game itself (which, we both seem to agree is not that big a deal...maybe unless allyuh woulda win the tournament).  Hopefully yuh go get a good night's sleep and get over it by the morning.

LOL! I over it hoss. Is YOU keep bringing it up. I say fraud penal and you latch onto that like a drowning man on a water wing. Honestly I didn't even bother watching the games live. I don't even remember the last time I watch Emirates Cup live.

  I didn't even remember the tournament existed until I get a notification on fb 'bout Drogs stickin' it to allyuh again....and I wasn't disagreeing that he made the most of it, just pointing out that the defender put he self in a bad spot.  :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 05, 2013, 07:50:49 PM
  So you're saying the defender did NOT push Drogba in the back whatsoever, is that it? I eh go deny that Drogs made the most of it but once  use yuh arms to obstruct or impede an opponent in your box and then yuh arkskin' fuh trouble.....con man or not, if you also deny that Drogba seem to have a special love for scoring against yuh side yuh haven't been paying attention....but like yuh say., is only pre-season.  :D

Drogs back into Miquel and frankoment flop on the ground like he get shot. Complete dive. Typical Drogba. He used to score on us all the time, yes, but hasn't since 2010. Last time he played against us for allyuh man like Djourou had him tie up like a market crab. Anyway, yes, is only preseason. He skin out slow ass Mertesacker at the end of his 2nd 90 minutes in 2 days. 1 decent goal, 1 fraudster penalty. If yuh want to gloat over a fraud then like yuhself.


  Ah see like yuh takin' what start off as a lil' joke more serious than yuh need to...nobody gloating, horse, I was jes gettin' kicks from de start but you chose to argue the merits of the penalty and against the importance of the goals and game itself (which, we both seem to agree is not that big a deal...maybe unless allyuh woulda win the tournament).  Hopefully yuh go get a good night's sleep and get over it by the morning.

LOL! I over it hoss. Is YOU keep bringing it up. I say fraud penal and you latch onto that like a drowning man on a water wing. Honestly I didn't even bother watching the games live. I don't even remember the last time I watch Emirates Cup live.

  I didn't even remember the tournament existed until I get a notification on fb 'bout Drogs stickin' it to allyuh again....and I wasn't disagreeing that he made the most of it, just pointing out that the defender put he self in a bad spot.  :beermug:

Cool. Small ting. I only watch it to see how Sanogo look anyway. Drogs could do that all he want in Emirates Cup.
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Post by: ckhan on August 06, 2013, 05:45:58 PM
Silly Season is upon us:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2385606/Luis-Suarez-blasts-Liverpool-breach-contract-failed-Arsenal-bids.html?ico=sport%5Eheadlines (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2385606/Luis-Suarez-blasts-Liverpool-breach-contract-failed-Arsenal-bids.html?ico=sport%5Eheadlines)
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Post by: Cocorite on August 06, 2013, 07:37:53 PM
Ey, ah hear Arsenal going 'an win de whole ting dis year . . .dais true?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 06, 2013, 08:58:27 PM
Ey, ah hear Arsenal going 'an win de whole ting dis year . . .dais true?

Maybe if we get Suarez, and he doh jump out heself again with some insane act. And we get some depth in defence and midfield. I would expect a title then.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 07, 2013, 08:48:48 AM
Luis Suárez: Liverpool should honour their promise to let me leave

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/aug/06/luis-suarez-liverpool-arsenal-transfer (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/aug/06/luis-suarez-liverpool-arsenal-transfer)

• Liverpool striker says he will submit transfer request
• Uruguayan claims club broke promise to let him go
• 'All I want is for Liverpool to honour our agreement'
• Suárez misses friendly in Norway with foot injury


Sid Lowe   
The Guardian, Wednesday 7 August 2013   



Luis Suárez has pleaded with Liverpool to fulfil the promise they made a year ago and let him leave Anfield. The Uruguay striker insists that he is prepared to submit a written transfer request by the end of the week if the club continue to block his move to Arsenal. Speaking for the first time since Arsenal made a £40,000,001 bid for him, Suárez told the Guardian he believes that he has been left little alternative.

Suárez claims the club told him they would let him depart if they failed to qualify for the Champions League this season and that a clause in his contract allows him to leave should someone make a bid of more than £40m. He says he has the backing of the Professional Footballers' Association and that he his prepared to take the issue to the Premier League to force his exit and move to the Emirates before the transfer window closes on 2 September.

"Last year I had the opportunity to move to a big European club and I stayed on the understanding that if we failed to qualify for the Champions League the following season I'd be allowed to go," he revealed. "I gave absolutely everything last season but it was not enough to give us a top-four finish – now all I want is for Liverpool to honour our agreement."

At the heart of the battle is the "release" clause that was included in Suárez's new contract, signed last August. Liverpool have denied that the contract obliges them to sell to any club that more than £40m.

Arsenal were acting according to what they understand to be Suárez's contractual status and the Uruguayan last night again insisted that there is a formal agreement that he could go. "I have the club's word and we have the written contract and we are happy to take this to the Premier League for them to decide the case but I do not want it to come to that," he said.

"I don't feel betrayed [by Liverpool] but the club promised me something a year ago just as I promised them that I would stay and try everything possible to get us into the Champions League.

"They gave me their word a year ago and now I want them to honour that. And it is not just something verbal with the coach but something that is written in the contract. I'm not going to another club to hurt Liverpool."

The clause is sufficiently ambiguous to leave doubts over how the stalemate will be resolved. Suárez's camp saw £40m as the threshold price at which Liverpool would have to sell, something that was publicly revealed by Arsenal's £40,000,001 bid.

The bid, though, tested the clause and revealed that Liverpool saw £40m as the point at which they must start to negotiate, not the point at which they are obliged to sell. The PFA has been consulted about potential mediation in the search for a solution.

The letter of the law is one thing, the spirit of the law is another. Suárez clearly feels let down by what he sees as a broken promise. Nor does he speak lightly; the doubts continue over the best way to proceed. Suárez says he was reluctant to reach this point. But he believes that the message that has come out of Anfield has not always been entirely true and that being portrayed as someone who just wants out has not always been fair.

Brendan Rogers, the Liverpool manager, insisted that he had spoken to Suárez and publicly claimed that the Uruguayan understood and accepted the club's position. Those were remarks that surprised the striker when he saw them. The two men had indeed spoken but when they did Suárez made it clear that he wanted to go and felt that he was entitled to do so.

Liverpool fans argue that having supported him through thick and thin, mostly thin, they deserve greater loyalty. The club and most supporters backed him when he was charged with racially abusing Patrice Evra and biting Branislav Ivanovic. Walking away is no way to repay that. Two suspensions have led to two lengthy absences that have hurt his club – 18 games in total. He still has six games of a 10-match ban to serve.

And yet the reaction of fans over the past few days has been far from rejection, even now, even with his determination to depart so clear. Suárez played at Anfield on Saturday and took part in an open training session held at the stadium on Monday. Both times he was cheered by supporters. They appeared to have decided that they would do all they could to persuade him to stay. Nowhere would he be embraced like this.

But he disputes suggestions that he has lacked loyalty and says most fans would understand his position. His performances allow him to build a case: 51 goals in 96 appearances, 30 last season. In terms of talent, or commitment on the pitch, few doubt him. The problems have been elsewhere. He also notes that Liverpool could make an enormous profit on the £22.8m they paid Ajax for him in January 2011. Besides, loyalty cuts both ways and he was swift to paint his decision as a purely professional one.

"They defended me, just like I defended them on the pitch. The players have always supported me and I'm grateful for that. It's the same with the supporters. I got a great reception at the weekend and I am grateful. I don't think the supporters are angry – I think they understand a player when he has the ambition to triumph at the highest level.

"When you are at a club for as long as you are together you stick up for each other but that does not give the club the right to go back on their commitment."

Last summer Suárez turned down the chance to move to a Champions League qualifier, understood to be Juventus, and he is not prepared to wait another year.

"I'm 26. I need to be playing in the Champions League. I waited one year and no one can say that I did not give everything possible with my team-mates last season to get us there."

He continues: "It is not as if I am asking to move to a local rival. And I would not consider moving to a club outside the Champions League. I have made my desire to move known in private various times and now it feels like the time for me to make it public.

"I have to put my career first. People say Liverpool deserve more from me but I have scored 50 goals in less than 100 games and now they could double the money they paid for me.

"Liverpool will always be special for me: my daughter was born here. [Last summer] was the moment to show my loyalty to Liverpool and I did. [Liverpool] gave me my chance in England and stood up for me throughout my ban. I know I have made mistakes in my time here but I have apologised lots of times. This is not about that. This is about the club having agreed to something both verbally and in the contract which they are now not honouring.

"People may accuse me of showing a lack of loyalty but last season we told Liverpool there was interest from a top European club but they told me: 'We've got a new coach and we're going to push for the Champions League.'

"I spoke with Brendan Rodgers several times and he told me: 'Stay another season, and you have my word if we don't make it then I will personally make sure that you can leave.'"

Now the story has changed. "Liverpool is a club with a reputation for doing things the right way," Suárez says. "I just want them to abide by the promises made last season. Some of [my team-mates] say to me: 'We cannot understand that if you have it signed that you can't leave.'"

But that is not the only story that has changed. Arsenal's interest and Suárez's apparent willingness to move to the Emirates sits uneasily with his previous insistence that the problem resided largely with the English media: London is in England too. Anonymity may prove easier in London than Liverpool but that is not an explanation Suárez offers for the contradiction. He instead suggests that it was merely the inevitable answer to an inevitable question. In any case, he says this is about football, not infamy.

"I was asked a question: 'Would I want to play for Madrid?' It's like anyone asked if they want to change jobs and move to a bigger company. Everyone aspires to the highest levels and all I did was give an honest answer: 'Yes, I would.' On the same day I gave that interview Pepe Reina said the same thing about Barcelona and nobody mentioned it. But if I do it then it means I am disrespecting Liverpool. It has always been the same: one rule for me and another for everyone else.

"I had just arrived in Uruguay where the press are very good to me because I am one of theirs," he continues. "They asked me about the press in England. What am I supposed to say? Of course I don't like the fact that my wife goes to the supermarket and there are photographers. But I realise that the press attention is the same wherever you go."

The bid from Arsenal stings, though. Suárez's response is simple: "My priority is Champions League football. This is about me doing what is right for my career at this moment in time.

"Right now the Premier League is the biggest and most important league. My record shows that I'm not the kind of player who wants to change clubs every season and I would have no problem playing in England for many more years. If we are just talking about the level of the football and the way the supporters are then it is an incredible league. Any player in the world at the moment would like to play here."

But it is a different league, the Champions League, that hangs heaviest: this is a theme to which he returns often. "I feel I have done enough to be playing in the Champions League at this stage of my career," he says. "Now there is an option for me to do that and I want very much to take it. I went a long time at Ajax without playing many games in the Champions League. I am ambitious, I want to be there."

Liverpool continue to be adamant that the Uruguayan is not for sale and have scoffed at the offer made by Arsenal. But Suárez's decision to speak out, a decision he has been contemplating for a while, may change the situation.

The club's principal owner, John W Henry, spoke at a supporters' event in Oslo, where Liverpool play Valerenga on Wednesday without Suárez who is injured. His comments followed a statement which denied he and Tom Werner were negotiating the sale of the club. "I don't know why people ask us if we are selling the club or the best players, because we are not," Henry said. "We like to buy stuff, not to sell."

Rodgers, answering questions before Liverpool's game in Norway, responded to more queries about Suárez by insisting the club's position had not changed. "Luis picked up an injury in the open training session at Anfield yesterday and along with a number of other players we decided this game was too much of a risk for him. He will have a scan.

"I will tell you what I have been saying all summer — he is an incredible player. We have had a couple of bids from one club which has been no where near the valuation of what he is worth in this market, so there is no change in that. We have no intention of selling one of the best players in the world to one of our rivals. Luis is very much a Liverpool player and there is no real value in discussing it unless someone comes close to the valuation.

"Luis is a wonderful player, but this is a bigger project than just him."
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Post by: Tenorsaw on August 07, 2013, 09:13:40 AM
That defence still in tatters.  They still need a solid pairing of centerbacks.  Vermalen always hurt and the German lacking pace real bad.  Plus, Wenger continues to play tight wad when it comes to signing a world-class GK:  he had a chance to go after Reina and Julio Caesar, and did not pull the trigger on any.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 07, 2013, 09:38:45 AM
That defence still in tatters.  They still need a solid pairing of centerbacks.  Vermalen always hurt and the German lacking pace real bad.  Plus, Wenger continues to play tight wad when it comes to signing a world-class GK:  he had a chance to go after Reina and Julio Caesar, and did not pull the trigger on any.

Only City concede less goals in the last season. If that is tatters what about everybody else? Merts is slow but his intelligence and composure makes up for it. Koscielny is a striker eater. We need proper depth though.
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Post by: Cocorite on August 07, 2013, 09:58:22 PM
Ey, ah hear Arsenal going 'an win de whole ting dis year . . .dais true?

Maybe if we get Suarez, and he doh jump out heself again with some insane act. And we get some depth in defence and midfield. I would expect a title then.

Aah, a thoughtful man. But it promises to be an exciting fight at the top.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 08, 2013, 01:45:43 PM
Tim Stillman's column on  Arseblog

http://arseblog.com/2013/08/arsenals-priorities-for-the-season-ahead/ (http://arseblog.com/2013/08/arsenals-priorities-for-the-season-ahead/)

Arsenal’s priorities for the season ahead

In years gone by, the first day of the football season was the ultimate, uncontested red ring on the calendar of the football fan. All anticipation was geared towards that sunny Saturday afternoon in mid August. Minutes and hours were counted as it approached, trembling hands hovering over desk calendars with the pen, aching to consign each preceding day to history with a big red cross. What’s strange is that, this summer, the 17th of August seems to have become a mere afterthought in our summer schedules.

All eyes, minds and tongues are concentrated firmly on September 2nd and the close of the transfer window. Even this week’s Champions League playoff draw has been relegated to a mere ornament in the pantheon of Arsenal discussion. This is not a criticism you understand, just an observation. Whether it’s is a consequence of modern football’s obsession with largesse or Arsenal’s total entropy in the market to this point, I will leave you to decide.

Arsene Wenger’s chequebook challenge (which sounds like the shittest game show ever incidentally) will indisputably be his most scrutinised. However, other issues remain “marked as unread” in his inbox. For some, the solution will have to be sought via Arsenal’s oak-paneled boardroom. For others, it will be fair London Colney where we lay our scene. Either way, here are what I deem to be Arsenal’s most striking priorities for the season ahead.
Develop Jack Wilshere into a true number 10.

Wright > Bergkamp > Henry > Fabregas. You can track the lineage of Arsenal’s lynchpins under Arsene Wenger. The men who could turn the game at the flick of a boot. Some Dutch bloke did that quite nicely for us for a year too, but the name pencilled in to succeed Cesc Fabregas’ throne was Jack Wilshere. Injury has delayed his coronation and now Jack finds himself, unwittingly, at the crux of a tactical quandary.

Much of Arsenal’s good form at the end of 2012-13 can be attributed to the “double pivot” of Ramsey and Arteta in midfield. The “runner and sitter” midfield combination is as old and fabled as the “big man / small man” axis of centre forward fame. Their twin, complimentary presence was at the heart of our defensive improvement. Wilshere’s great strength is in his ability to carry the ball from deep with his easy, balletic glide.

However, he is neither “runner” nor “sitter.” The reason he is effective from deep is almost entirely because it suits his attacking qualities, rather than the team’s defensive need. I also don’t think he has quite developed the qualities to sit at the head of Arsenal’s midfield triangle yet. Jack is a great ball carrier from deep, but I don’t think he’s a swivel headed defence splitter yet. It doesn’t suit him to receive the ball higher up the pitch, where opposition focus is more keenly trained.

Potentially, Wilshere could play deeper alongside Arteta for games against bus parking opposition. Yet you feel Jack is far too special for such an understated and occasional role. I prefer Cazorla out wide because it corresponds with his love for drifting around the pitch. The ‘trequartista’ role does not cater as well for his wandering tendencies for my liking. You feel that the role at the head of the midfield three is begging for Jack to make a giant arse groove in it. Arsene needs to marry the need for getting the best out of Wilshere with getting the best out of Arsenal.
Balance defence and attack

I would like to think Arsenal’s late season run imbued them with the tactical flexibility to vary their approach. For home games or matches against defensive opposition, there probably isn’t the same need to adopt Ramsey as Arteta’s Rottweiler in midfield for instance. Wenger opted for a back to basics, cautious approach at the end of last season because he realised that his defence had more cohesion than his attack.

Signing three new attacking players last summer, Podolski’s fitness problems, the desire to freeze out Walcott early in the season, followed by the placatory move to play him at centre forward, meant Arsenal were dysfunctional in the final third. The new attacking players have had a season together now (hopefully, they have world class reinforcement to look forward to as well!), so Arsene will probably look to release the handbrake.

I believe Arsenal need a greater creative presence in their squad. Part of this requirement can be met with the development of Wilshere as stated above. However, I think another tricky winger should be on the shopping list. Arsenal have let Gervinho and Arshavin leave this summer. Both of whom were, in theory at least, meant to be penetrative players from wide with the ability to stretch stubborn opposition. Podolski and Walcott are finishers, not creators.

Chamberlain’s jinking run to set up Giroud against Norwich in April may provide hope that he can really kick on and develop into that player. But I’ve a feeling he prefers playing in front of defences rather than seeking to power through them. Arsenal need to replace the (hypothetical) skillsets they are losing in Gervinho and Arshavin. Wenger will want to concentrate on restoring Arsenal’s attacking threat. Steve Bould will need to be a critical friend to ensure that Arsenal’s defensive responsibilities aren’t neglected in doing so.
Address contract situations

Decisions are going to have to be made with some key players. Unless the club have been incredibly discrete behind the scenes, Per Mertesacker, Wojciech Szczesny, Mikel Arteta and Thomas Vermaelen have two years left on their current deals. Given Arteta’s age there might be less urgency from both parties to renew. You would imagine the club will want to tie Mertesacker and Szczesny down as quickly as possible. Fabianski has one year left but you get the impression all parties would be satisfied for his contract to run down.

Sagna and Rosicky have one year left and again, given that both are over 30, the urgency isn’t quite so great from either side. Vermaelen is a different question. Were it not for Arsenal’s inability to sign defensive reinforcement to this point, or indeed for Vermaelen’s injury, I think Arsenal might have been open to selling their captain this summer. As it stands, he pretty much has to stay. For now. Wenger and Gazidis will have to deal with these situations as the season progresses.
Add quality to the squad

There’s no getting away from it, Arsenal needed quality reinforcement even before they drove their band of undesirables into the woods and set them free. The squad is light on numbers as much as anything at time of writing. The cause for Arsenal’s hitherto uninspiring window is anyone’s guess. Maybe Arsenal are finding that the calibre of player they require to compete at the level to which they aspire is difficult to capture.

It’s one thing having the readies, it’s quite another convincing clubs to sell. I still fancy that we need three more players even if we are successful in our pursuit of Suarez. I’ve no doubt it’s very, very hard to buy four quality players in one transfer window. I know I wouldn’t be able to do it. Arsenal pay the manager and the CEO very, very well indeed because their job is difficult. They’re paid so well because their employers believe they have the ability to execute such complex tasks.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 13, 2013, 10:19:07 AM
How Arsenal have been shaping up for 2013/14

http://arseblog.com/2013/08/how-arsenal-have-been-shaping-up-for-201314/ (http://arseblog.com/2013/08/how-arsenal-have-been-shaping-up-for-201314/)

Is it not possible that, before even adding to the squad, Arsenal are a better team than they were last season? It’s not what fans want to hear but that underlying principle is what Arsene Wenger has chosen to make the focus for his preparations for the new season rather than get dragged into the melodrama of the transfer market. On the other hand, it feels like he’s dithering, uncertain just how to use the £70m warchest supposedly at his disposal.

Secretly, it is said that Wenger has lost a little love for the transfer market and he has recently claimed there is little value available – either the prices are at “a very high level or no level at all,” he says. “That’s a big, worrying truth. Until now [this summer] you had £40m, £50m, £60m [fees] or nothing at all. It’s been under £10m or around the big numbers. I don’t think that’s very healthy.”

What we do know, however, from the pre-season games is that this is a healthy squad and that additions can only improve them further. Results in Asia were promising, but then the same problems resurfaced at the Emirates Cup before ending on an upbeat note with a 3-1 win over title rivals Manchester City. We learned that two seasons on, an Arteta-less Arsenal is a still a little worse-off Arsenal, and that not just a striker, but a defender and perhaps a creative player are required. Below, highlights just how Arsenal are shaping up – on the pitch – for 2013/14.

An Improved Olivier Giroud

Even as the players marched off the pitch after a rain-soaked match against Vietnam – a game which Arsenal won 7-1 – the fans weren’t quite satisfied, so Olivier Giroud decided to give them more. In front of a crowd of 41,000, he stripped off his shorts and flung them into the crowd. Actually, this story has no relevance to the rest of the post but my God, is he a handsome fellow.

In that match Giroud scored a hat-trick, a very classy one too. Indeed, all his goals in pre-season, eight in seven matches, have been impressive* indicating an improvement to the one part of his game that sorely needed work – his finishing. Last season, Giroud’s conversion rate was at a measly 10.3% (a good striker should hope for a conversion rate of about 18%).

Not just that, delving into those numbers see him wildly erratic inside the box. He took 64 shots from the central area, scoring 9 goals but only at a conversion rate of 14%. Hardly an improvement from his overall figure. Not just that, a lot of his shots were off-target, below, (and his headers were mainly straight at the goalkeeper). As a comparison, Luis Suarez was just as uncouth around the box but scored more goals: 23 at a conversion rate of 12%. But filtering those shots he took from the central areas of the box, and his conversion rate jumps to 26%.

I feel it’s important to make the distinction of where Arsenal’s strikers (and potential strikers) shoot from because it’s the least spread of any Premier League side – most of the shots are very central. Giroud must improve and so far the signs are promising.

*Actually recounting those goals, they have been of a startling variety including a deft flick, an Ibrahimovic-style swivel and shot, a power header, a half-volley across the goalkeeper, a chip, an overhead kick, an edge of the box curler and a lob over the ‘keeper.

Pressing matters

In the two Emirates Cup games, we saw two different pressing performances. Both games saw Arsenal broadly used the same strategy: press with a 4-4-2 with the midfielder playing highest up closing down with the main striker. The players behind, therefore, were detailed to get tight to the opposition so that the pass through is made difficult. In the 2-2 draw with Napoli, Arsenal used Tomas Rosicky as the highest midfielder and the pressing up the pitch was exemplary. Against Galatasaray, though, it was less excellent.

However that was expected given that the game was played a day later but the pleasing part, that is until Didier Drogba came on, was the defending around the penalty area. Much of that owed to the presence of Mikel Arteta who was missing against Napoli. In that match, both Aaron Ramsey and Jack Wilshere shared that role and as a result, Arsenal were often exposed, especially on the break, when the ball was played through and there was nobody to protect the defence.

Arsenal put a more complete performance in the 3-1 win over Manchester City both up the pitch and around their own box, yet it’s hard not to think about whether Arsenal have a contingency plan for when Arteta is not available. The Wilshere-Ramsey partnership against Napoli reminded me of the partnership between Flamini-Fabregas – in 2005/06, not the one that went close to the title two years later. Hopefully, the much rumoured transfer of Bayern Munich’s holding midfielder, Luiz Gustavo, might alleviate such worries.

Let Jack be Jack

Even Arsene Wenger has admitted that Jack Wilshere’s short-term role is not obvious. The fact that Wilshere can do everything – tackle, dribble past opponents, make crucial passes – make it less clear and indeed, in pre-season, he played all three midfield roles: in front of the defence, in between and as the playmaker. In a sense, it doesn’t matter if he doesn’t underpin his best role just yet; he’s got so much talent that he will naturally move between positions and still contribute.

Wenger knows he’s crucial and the stats concur: last season, Wilshere was involved in the most Premier League goals – not simply in assists or scoring but starting attacks whether through a pass or tackle. He’s central to the way Arsenal will play next season.

Cool runnings

Two players stood out last season for what they did without the ball. Aaron Ramsey made himself an indisputable starter for his role as the “runner” alongside Mikel Arteta, breaking up attacks and making strong burst forwards. While Theo Walcott has always been a reliable outlet for Arsenal’s passing game. The pair impressed in pre-season and combined with each other twice against Manchester City to prove that they will be key players next season.

The first saw Ramsey play a delightful through-pass to Walcott to score and for the second, they exchanged a one-two before Ramsey applied the finishing touch. Both players have been derided by sections of support in recent times but they are showing they can be crucial to the team for the way they transform Arsenal’s tippy-tappy system.

Bringing sexy back

Arsène Wenger’s tactical reputation has been predicated on his insistence on playing the game one way: “his way”. Last season, though, he showed his willingness to be flexible (something, to be fair, he has been more willing to do since 2005/06), reverting to a pragmatic approach. It was a design based on efficiency, greater organisation and communication at the back, and very reliant on taking what little chances the team creates. It wasn’t always pretty but it was certainly efficient.

But it must not be forgotten why Wenger chose to go with this approach. Yes, their Champions League future was in great danger but also their football – the Wenger way – looked for once, very vulnerable and the players lacked the confidence to execute it properly. Wenger said focusing on the defence slowly helped regain their confidence and subsequently their results.  “That’s where we’ve improved the most,” Wenger told Arsenal Player. “It’s very important for the confidence of the team that we have such a [defensive] stability. As I said many times, we are an offensive team, but you are only a good offensive team if you have a good defensive stability. In the last two months that was much better.”

There’s no doubt that Wenger will take that approach on to the new season, as we’ve seen in the pre-season games, and hope that Arsenal’s swagger going forward returns. We’ve seen signs; the understanding between the British core in particular looks promising, and in periods in pre-season, the team has moved the ball about beautiful and at a high tempo. Somewhere along the line though, we’ll see that pragmatic approach altered to get more out of the attack. It’s inevitable. Wenger wants his team to play quickly, the players pinging the ball off each other and using Giroud as a fulcrum.

We saw how that approach may work in the 2-2 draw against Napoli where Arsenal played without a defensive midfielder. Instead, in the middle, Wilshere played alongside Ramsey and while the football was more entertaining, The Gunners were continuously exposed on the break. The team also stretched the pitch very wide when attacking and pushed both full-backs forward, going at odds with the new pragmatic approach which is all about compactness.

It will be intriguing to see how Arsenal’s style develops as the season progresses. Because it must not be forgotten that this is still a very new team with players such as Giroud, Cazorla and Podolski, not to mention Arteta in a new role, still learning how to play with each other. As such, Wenger has cause to be optimistic; with a season under their belt, Arsenal are a better team than last season – before signing any players.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on August 17, 2013, 08:07:26 AM
Giroud!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on August 17, 2013, 08:33:08 AM
The contrast between the refs in this game and the liverpool game is stark.
All kinda wild tackle pelting in this game, A red card is likely
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on August 17, 2013, 08:49:54 AM
Ref is crap in this game.
What Luna get a card for?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on August 17, 2013, 09:28:14 AM
Wow
the 2nd yellow was for intent?
Koscielny never touch the man.

the ref is helping arsenal screw themselves.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 17, 2013, 03:03:00 PM
Bad day at the office. Still need an alternative to Arteta and more teeth in attack. The ref really killed us but we have 16 days to address the problems of the squad.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: ckhan on August 18, 2013, 04:42:16 PM
REAL TALK from Arsenal FC Fan Talk

http://youtu.be/7gSFEaI4HdA (http://youtu.be/7gSFEaI4HdA)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 18, 2013, 10:39:15 PM
REAL TALK from Arsenal FC Fan Talk

http://youtu.be/7gSFEaI4HdA (http://youtu.be/7gSFEaI4HdA)

The lack of transfer activity is feeding the poisonous, defeatist atmosphere around the club. I am waiting till the end of the window before I decide what I think of Wenger and the club. But they need a backup for Arteta BAD!
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Post by: rotatopoti3 on August 19, 2013, 06:29:23 AM
Dat ref should be banned...

real novice refereeing....

steups...and I not even ah Arsenal fan
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Peong on August 19, 2013, 07:24:22 AM
So now every selling club can smell the desperation and Arsenal will have to pay top dollar for whoever they want.
Management have to be doing this on purpose. Maybe they want to save that 70 mil to buy cristiano next year.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dinner Mints on August 19, 2013, 07:38:30 AM
So now every selling club can smell the desperation and Arsenal will have to pay top dollar for whoever they want.
I kinda assume that was what keeping dem back in the first place. Clubs hear 'Arsenal have money now', trying to squeeze dem and dey breaksin. Just speculating, though.
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Post by: Bitter on August 19, 2013, 10:20:41 AM
So now every selling club can smell the desperation and Arsenal will have to pay top dollar for whoever they want.
I kinda assume that was what keeping dem back in the first place. Clubs hear 'Arsenal have money now', trying to squeeze dem and dey breaksin. Just speculating, though.

That is Ivan Gazidis fault. If you trying to make deals, you don't start by saying "I have plenty money", and then try to negotiate a decent price.

For the most part, I don't believe 90% of transfer talk, the British media famous for "linking" players with clubs based on what they perceive is the need.

The fans also seem to think of it as monopoly money, or like trading players on FIFA 13. Because the only bid we know that actually happened is for Suarez, my thinking is that Arsenal were hoping to trigger what they thought was the transfer clause in his contract and then sign other players once they saw that Arsenal were serious.

Now, b/c of the way this transfer window is (and it's not like there was a whole lot of activity with the big clubs - just a lot of talk), they will have to make it past the CL qualifier vs Fenerbahce before they can sign anyone.

So far, the only transfer "target" that I was surprised they didn't spring for was Gustavo.

A real question to ponder, is not so much the transfer activity, but the injury report. Why do so many Arsenal men go down every season?
Is it a body type thing? A training issue?

Check the list - 25 players: 1/3 Injured.

Szczesny
Fabianski

Defenders:
Sagna - Injured
Mertesacker
Vermalen - Injured
Koscielny
Monreal - Injured
Jenkinson
Gibbs - Injured

Midfielders
Rosicky
Arteta - Injured
Wilshere
Ramsey
Cazorla
Diaby - Injured
Frimpong
Miyachi - Injured

Forwards
Podolski
Giroud
Walcott
Oxlade-Chamberlain - Injured
Sanogo
Park
Bendtner - Swolen Head
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Peong on August 19, 2013, 10:41:09 AM
So now every selling club can smell the desperation and Arsenal will have to pay top dollar for whoever they want.
I kinda assume that was what keeping dem back in the first place. Clubs hear 'Arsenal have money now', trying to squeeze dem and dey breaksin. Just speculating, though.

Same squeeze that Man U, Man City and Chelsea get from selling clubs.  Arsenal seem to not know how to manage it well.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: grimm01 on August 19, 2013, 10:47:12 AM
So now every selling club can smell the desperation and Arsenal will have to pay top dollar for whoever they want.
I kinda assume that was what keeping dem back in the first place. Clubs hear 'Arsenal have money now', trying to squeeze dem and dey breaksin. Just speculating, though.

That is Ivan Gazidis fault. If you trying to make deals, you don't start by saying "I have plenty money", and then try to negotiate a decent price.

For the most part, I don't believe 90% of transfer talk, the British media famous for "linking" players with clubs based on what they perceive is the need.

The fans also seem to think of it as monopoly money, or like trading players on FIFA 13. Because the only bid we know that actually happened is for Suarez, my thinking is that Arsenal were hoping to trigger what they thought was the transfer clause in his contract and then sign other players once they saw that Arsenal were serious.

Now, b/c of the way this transfer window is (and it's not like there was a whole lot of activity with the big clubs - just a lot of talk), they will have to make it past the CL qualifier vs Fenerbahce before they can sign anyone.

So far, the only transfer "target" that I was surprised they didn't spring for was Gustavo.

A real question to ponder, is not so much the transfer activity, but the injury report. Why do so many Arsenal men go down every season?
Is it a body type thing? A training issue?

Check the list - 25 players: 1/3 Injured.

Szczesny
Fabianski

Defenders:
Sagna - Injured
Mertesacker
Vermalen - Injured
Koscielny
Monreal - Injured
Jenkinson
Gibbs - Injured

Midfielders
Rosicky
Arteta - Injured
Wilshere
Ramsey
Cazorla
Diaby - Injured
Frimpong
Miyachi - Injured

Forwards
Podolski
Giroud
Walcott
Oxlade-Chamberlain - Injured
Sanogo
Park
Bendtner - Swolen Head

At this point it has to be training methods. Look at how much up-time RVP and Fabregas getting since they leave the Arsenal, and they were the poster children for the treatment table. Diaby might want to ask for a loan for when he get better.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 19, 2013, 03:46:31 PM
So now every selling club can smell the desperation and Arsenal will have to pay top dollar for whoever they want.
I kinda assume that was what keeping dem back in the first place. Clubs hear 'Arsenal have money now', trying to squeeze dem and dey breaksin. Just speculating, though.

That is Ivan Gazidis fault. If you trying to make deals, you don't start by saying "I have plenty money", and then try to negotiate a decent price.

For the most part, I don't believe 90% of transfer talk, the British media famous for "linking" players with clubs based on what they perceive is the need.

The fans also seem to think of it as monopoly money, or like trading players on FIFA 13. Because the only bid we know that actually happened is for Suarez, my thinking is that Arsenal were hoping to trigger what they thought was the transfer clause in his contract and then sign other players once they saw that Arsenal were serious.

Now, b/c of the way this transfer window is (and it's not like there was a whole lot of activity with the big clubs - just a lot of talk), they will have to make it past the CL qualifier vs Fenerbahce before they can sign anyone.

So far, the only transfer "target" that I was surprised they didn't spring for was Gustavo.

A real question to ponder, is not so much the transfer activity, but the injury report. Why do so many Arsenal men go down every season?
Is it a body type thing? A training issue?

Check the list - 25 players: 1/3 Injured.

Szczesny
Fabianski

Defenders:
Sagna - Injured
Mertesacker
Vermalen - Injured
Koscielny
Monreal - Injured
Jenkinson
Gibbs - Injured

Midfielders
Rosicky
Arteta - Injured
Wilshere
Ramsey
Cazorla
Diaby - Injured
Frimpong
Miyachi - Injured

Forwards
Podolski
Giroud
Walcott
Oxlade-Chamberlain - Injured
Sanogo
Park
Bendtner - Swolen Head

At this point it has to be training methods. Look at how much up-time RVP and Fabregas getting since they leave the Arsenal, and they were the poster children for the treatment table. Diaby might want to ask for a loan for when he get better.

Actually RVP was fit for 1.5 seasons before he left. And Cesc doesn't play nearly as much at Barca
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Fyzoman on August 19, 2013, 04:01:34 PM
Ah feel for Arsenal with the bogus PK >:(

However on a positive note...I did kinda forget how friggin good Jack Wilshire is!!!! Waaaayyyy this fellah is naked fire!!!

Anyway good luck to The Gunners...we just keep rolling along ;)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 20, 2013, 02:24:08 PM
Wilshere and Ramsey partnership still a work in progress

http://arseblog.com/2013/08/wilshere-and-ramsey-partnership-still-a-work-in-progress/ (http://arseblog.com/2013/08/wilshere-and-ramsey-partnership-still-a-work-in-progress/)

At some point in the future, it will be known as the ‘Gabriel Agbonlahor paradox’; how one player, struggling to live up to his promise, inexplicably raises his game every time he faces Arsenal. The reason he enjoys playing against Arsenal, however, is because he’s readily able to expose one of Arsenal’s big flaws: the team’s vulnerability to the counter-attack.

The warning signs were there in pre-season where Arsenal were exposed continuously on the break by Napoli. Arsene Wenger expressed those concerns post-match saying that a midfield of Aaron Ramsey and Jack Wilshere “gave too much distance to Napoli’s players, and we marked them from too big a distance.”

However, at that time, that partnership was considered to be an experiment; a mock test of the midfield that we’re likely to see regularly deployed in the future. However, inactivity in the transfer market and injury to Mikel Arteta forced Wenger’s hand earlier and in the first game of the new season, the young duo started together in the heart of the midfield.

For 30 minutes they looked comfortable with Wilshere involved in the goal which gave Arsenal an early lead. But then the inexplicable happened, as Agbonlahor went on a mazy run and was later brought down by Wojciech Szczesny for a penalty. After Christian Benteke put in the rebound, Arsenal lost control. Aston Villa had countless breakaways opportunities in the second-half and as Arsenal failed to take their chances, Villa exposed them.

Defeat, and the way it happened, was a massive blow to the work Arsenal did last year and indeed, in pre-season on their shape. The Gunners are playing a formation that more closely resembles a 4-4-2 than the 4-3-3 that it did in previous years. There a number of reasons for this. Firstly, the players have changed. The old system was built around Cesc Fabregas and the direct passing style he brought, so Wenger has altered it so it suits the qualities of the players at his disposal. He says this is a team that flourishes on “a game based on very quick combinations” therefore moving to a 4-4-2 (4-2-3-1 might be better) allows the players to play closer to each other.

The second reason is that the pressing has changed. Tomas Rosicky works in tandem with Olivier Giroud to close down the defenders while their team-mates behind look to get tight to the opposition. The idea is that it then becomes more difficult to pass the ball through. Yet, the issue against Aston Villa was that there was a lack of tactical clarity when the ball did get through, particularly on the counter-attack.

A lot of it was Arsenal’s own undoing despite the fantastic game-plan that Paul Lambert executed. For Aston Villa’s second goal, Arsenal piled numbers forward but left no protection back when the visitors stole the ball off Santi Cazorla. The third goal was a carbon copy of the one Michu scored last December in the 2-0 defeat when Arsenal chasing the game, left nobody back for the corner-kick. For Koscielny’s second yellow-card, both full-backs got forward at the same time – something Arsenal had worked hard on to correct last season but it seems it’s less of a priority this season (judging by the pre-season games).

But to understand the malaise, one has to look at the way Arsenal conceded their first goal. There was simply nobody taking responsibility and by the time Arsenal realised Agbonlahor had drifted into a pocket of space, he was already running at pace at the heart of the defence and there was little time to react. Normally, there’d be Mikel Arteta there and players like Koscielny instantly feel more secure. Therefore it was probably naïve for Wenger to expect Wilshere and Ramsey to hold the midfield together in the first game of the season. In time it might work but the respective strengths of the two players are in a way, negated with Arteta.

Wilshere actually had the stronger game, attempting to hold his position and in rare moments we did see his trademark burst from defence. But he was the one who put Cazorla in trouble in the lead up to Aston Villa’s second goal with a square pass. And while Wilshere is a good passer, it probably should have been Ramsey who took the main responsibility for distributing as it suits him more (and he has played the position more recently). Instead he tried to resume the role that he played alongside Arteta, using his energy to break down attacks and driving forward when he should have held his position more.

Indeed, you can make the argument to say that Ramsey’s running to cause disorder only worked last season because he had, alongside Arteta, the balanced structure. For the lead up to Aston Villa’s first penalty, Ramsey was the one found wanting as he was caught up the pitch when Agbonlahor drove forward with the ball.

As a result, Wilshere was caught with acres of space to defend (and he probably should have adjusted his position quicker to meet Agbonlahor’s run. Instead, the Villa striker had all the momentum to skip away).

Arsenal’s unbeaten run at the end of last season was built on a pragmatic approach; a design based on efficiency, greater organisation and communication at the back (and very reliant on taking what little chances the team creates).

Starting Jack Wilshere and Aaron Ramsey together in midfield so early in the season was, even if he had little choice, a bit like ripping up that formula.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 21, 2013, 03:03:46 PM
Good win today. Big step to the group stage. Horrible kick to the head for Koscielny. Possible skull fracture. The hits just keep on coming yes!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 27, 2013, 05:34:29 PM
Qualification finalised. 100% qualifier record preserved. Time for signings Wenger! We getting anxious!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: ckhan on August 28, 2013, 08:06:31 AM
We link with everybody and their granny but no one has signed on the dotted line. Is pace between now and Sep. 2nd. Every year as of late is the same drama!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 29, 2013, 10:13:49 AM
Flamini signed officially on a (you guessed it) free. Still a decent player and satisfies me as I wanted a backup for Arteta but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed after trying to sign Gustavo and Lars Bender.

Now where's my striker Wenger?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 29, 2013, 10:50:40 AM
Waaays boy! Group of Death for we yes! Dortmund, Napoli, Marseille. Tough games ahead!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Banter Banton on August 29, 2013, 10:57:07 AM
LOL Bye Bye Arsenal
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 29, 2013, 11:14:27 AM
LOL Bye Bye Arsenal

We'll see. We should be able to handle Napoli but it will be tough. Dortmund is pressure though. Any points from that and I happy.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: lefty on August 29, 2013, 11:22:07 AM
LOL Bye Bye Arsenal

We'll see. We should be able to handle Napoli but it will be tough. Dortmund is pressure though. Any points from that and I happy.
banter movin like manu have ah cake walk ??? Shakhtar Donetsk or Bayer Leverkusen "could bull allyuh hard" as sam would say....not even chelsea safe
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 30, 2013, 01:15:48 PM
Men real certain that Napoli better than the Gunners yes! Should be interesting.

On to North London Derby this weekend! FOYS!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on September 01, 2013, 09:25:28 AM
This Giroud fella might actually be good.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on September 01, 2013, 10:52:20 AM
Arsenal hanging on.
6 in the back.

Jenkinson, Sagna, Koscielny, Mertesacker, Monreal, Gibbs.

The finish by Sturridge this morning was bettered by Giroud's in this game.
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Post by: Bitter on September 01, 2013, 10:54:41 AM
and... up into 4th.
Tomorrow's transfer news should be fun
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Peong on September 01, 2013, 12:16:53 PM
That was a sweet finish boy.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on September 01, 2013, 12:36:24 PM
That was a sweet finish boy.

Giroud is one of the players I always watch just because of his movement. He's not the fastest, but he knows how to get into a scoring position. I like to watch Chicharito for the same reason. The move he made to get open was simple but subtle and the finish was another thing all together.

I love my team and KJ, but I will always say, you can tell he is not a forward just by his movement. He is always reacting to the ball, men like Giroud and Chicharito are anticipating where it will be 5 seconds from now.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 01, 2013, 09:03:36 PM
This Giroud fella might actually be good.

He is! 4 goals in 5 games. Real nice finish. Won the long balls. Helped out well in defence. Nice footwork. Man of the match by a mile today. Spend infinity nah Spurs! Lloris is still the only Spurs player who could make Arsenal starting 11.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bakes on September 01, 2013, 10:06:31 PM
He is! 4 goals in 5 games. Real nice finish. Won the long balls. Helped out well in defence. Nice footwork. Man of the match by a mile today. Spend infinity nah Spurs! Lloris is still the only Spurs player who could make Arsenal starting 11.

Nonsense... Dembele walking into Arsenal starting lineup easy easy, and Walker is a clear upgrade over Jenkinson.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: dinho on September 02, 2013, 09:02:49 AM
THIS WIN!!

http://www.youtube.com/v/SO5nfQEqGOg
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 02, 2013, 10:53:36 AM
He is! 4 goals in 5 games. Real nice finish. Won the long balls. Helped out well in defence. Nice footwork. Man of the match by a mile today. Spend infinity nah Spurs! Lloris is still the only Spurs player who could make Arsenal starting 11.

Nonsense... Dembele walking into Arsenal starting lineup easy easy, and Walker is a clear upgrade over Jenkinson.

Shows how much you know. Jenkinson is not the starting right back. And the idea that Walker is better than Sagna is an utter joke. Who would Dembele take the place of? He has been completely ordinary since he left Fulham. He going to take Ramsey's place? Please. Tottenham is the limit of his abilities.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 02, 2013, 11:13:50 AM
THIS WIN!!

http://www.youtube.com/v/SO5nfQEqGOg

Brilliant!  :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 02, 2013, 11:16:47 AM
Palermo announce the loan of keeper Emiliano Viviano, who has six Italy caps, to Arsenal with an option to buy.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bakes on September 02, 2013, 12:08:05 PM
Shows how much you know. Jenkinson is not the starting right back. And the idea that Walker is better than Sagna is an utter joke. Who would Dembele take the place of? He has been completely ordinary since he left Fulham. He going to take Ramsey's place? Please. Tottenham is the limit of his abilities.


You think Ramsey is better than Dembele?  LOL.. okay then.

As for Sagna, I like him enough, always have.  Can't stay healthy though, and no matter what position Jenkinson plays, both Walker and Rose better than him.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 02, 2013, 02:10:48 PM
Shows how much you know. Jenkinson is not the starting right back. And the idea that Walker is better than Sagna is an utter joke. Who would Dembele take the place of? He has been completely ordinary since he left Fulham. He going to take Ramsey's place? Please. Tottenham is the limit of his abilities.


You think Ramsey is better than Dembele?  LOL.. okay then.

As for Sagna, I like him enough, always have.  Can't stay healthy though, and no matter what position Jenkinson plays, both Walker and Rose better than him.

Sagna had one bad injury hit season when he broke his leg twice. It took him most of last season to recover but he's fine now. He had a stomach ailment this weekend. I don't think that counts as can't stay healthy. I agree Walker is better than Jenkinson but not Rose. Isn't Rose a left back anyway? There is no way he is better than either Gibbs or Monreal. None.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 02, 2013, 03:41:13 PM
OFFICIAL

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/german-international-ozil-joins-arsenal (http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/german-international-ozil-joins-arsenal)

German international Ozil joins Arsenal

German international midfielder Mesut Ozil has joined Arsenal on a long-term contract in a Club record deal.
Ozil, 24, joins Arsenal from Real Madrid where he made a total of 159 appearances in three years. During that time he won both La Liga and the Copa del Rey.
The attacking midfielder has been a long-term target and manager Arsène Wenger said:

“We are extremely pleased to have signed Mesut Ozil. He is a great player, with proven quality at both club and international level. We have watched and admired him for some time as he has all the attributes I look for in an Arsenal player.
“I have said throughout the summer that we have been working hard to bring in top quality players to this football club. This has involved many many people across the Club and I have always had the full support of the Club in making decisions on the football side.
Mesut is a top quality footballer who will be a fantastic addition to our talented squad. We are all looking forward to him joining up with us after his international matches with Germany and working with us as an Arsenal player.”

Arsenal chief executive Ivan Gazidis said: “This is an exciting day for all of us. We have signed a world-class player who is one of Europe’s brightest young talents.

“Mr Kroenke, our controlling owner, has always fully supported Arsène and the Club in making significant investments to strengthen our squad and to bring in talented players who fit our style and ambitions.
Like all of us, Mr Kroenke wants to see Arsenal winning titles and trophies and he has absolute faith and belief in our manager to achieve that. We will continue to work towards that goal and look forward to an exciting season.”

Ozil joined his hometown club Schalke in 2006 at the age of 18 and, after spending two years with the Gelsenkirchen club, he made the move to Bundesliga side Werder Bremen in 2008. After making 71 appearances with Bremen, Ozil made the move to Real Madrid following impressive displays at the World Cup in South Africa. He has made 47 appearances for his country, scoring 17 goals.
Speaking after completing his medical in Germany, Ozil said:

“I am thrilled to be joining a club of the stature of Arsenal and am looking forward to playing in the Premier League. It will be great for my own personal development as a player and I am particularly looking forward to working with Arsène Wenger. From our negotiations it is clear the Club has huge ambition and I look forward to being part of an exciting future.”

Everyone at Arsenal welcomes Mesut to the Club. The deal is subject to the completion of regulatory processes. His number will be announced via @Arsenal on Twitter shortly.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 02, 2013, 03:50:51 PM
A fantastic signing! Bring on Group of Death nah!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Peong on September 02, 2013, 05:16:13 PM
Boss player. This signing just doubled Arsenal's abilities  :devil:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: fari on September 02, 2013, 10:46:48 PM
Boss player. This signing just doubled Arsenal's abilities  :devil:

Last night I told the folks in the trini gunners group that today might be like Christmas morn...lord what a signing...he is the first world class player we have signed since Bergkamp.  I for one am excited to have "Nemo" on board, with him we might not win a trophy but we sure as heck have a better chance now.  COYG!!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Toppa on September 03, 2013, 12:00:28 PM
Ozil

(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/1235111_600610489997870_1140896376_n.jpg)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1240101_600608503331402_2025558972_n.jpg)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 03, 2013, 01:23:20 PM
Ozil

(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/1235111_600610489997870_1140896376_n.jpg)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1240101_600608503331402_2025558972_n.jpg)

Hahahaha! Check Real men toting!  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Toppa on September 03, 2013, 01:29:06 PM
We toting oui! Who wouldn't tote over Ozil?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 03, 2013, 01:38:33 PM
We toting oui! Who wouldn't tote over Ozil?

True. This is how I felt about Cesc and RVP. But it will pass.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Tallman on September 03, 2013, 02:37:54 PM
Make it rain Wenger, make it rain!

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/efb6599025bcd58a5b7763e347c88848/tumblr_msjecugqqN1qdm5ngo1_400.gif)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Peong on September 03, 2013, 07:41:20 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/soccer-dirty-tackle/future-news-arsene-wenger-demands-called-lord-transfer-194956392--sow.html

Future News: Arsene Wenger demands to be called ‘Lord of the Transfer’ from now on

Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger brought an end to years of ridicule for not spending the club's sizable cash reserves with the £42 million deadline-day signing of Mesut Ozil and now he would like to be called "The Lord of the Transfer." Ozil's transfer fee was the second largest ever paid by a Premier League club. His acquisition sparked excitement and renewed belief within the club's previously angry and increasingly desperate fanbase. And now Wenger believes his title should reflect what is being widely praised as the best signing of the summer transfer window.

Wenger told reporters: "A day after beating Spurs and their £100 million worth of new signings with what the critics saw as an inferior squad, I went behind their back to sign Mesut freaking Ozil from a club with whom they have a 'partnership agreement' just before the close of the window. Even Manchester United could not execute a Jedi move like that. For this reason, everyone must now refer to me as The Lord of the Transfer. Including my wife."

Prior to the Ozil acquisition and the signing of goalkeeper Emiliano Viviano on loan from Palermo, Arsenal had only brought in two free transfers all summer while shedding underperforming players from transfer windows past. But as Wenger explained, his masterplan required other dominoes to fall into place.

"I sold Gervinho to Roma, who then sold Erik Lamela to Spurs, who then sold Gareth Bale to Real Madrid, when then sold Mesut Ozil to me," Wenger boasted, while wearing what appeared to be a homemade crown. "I turned Gervinho into Mesut Ozil. Someone call the Pope, because that's a miracle. And Lord of the Transfer Arsene Wenger did it."

When asked why Arsenal did not address their needs for defensive cover and another striker, especially now that Lukas Podolski is out for three months with a torn hamstring, Wenger informed reporters that Ozil shirts can now be purchased at the club's official store.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on September 03, 2013, 07:53:41 PM
"I turned Gervinho into Mesut Ozil. Someone call the Pope, because that's a miracle."

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on September 14, 2013, 09:39:56 AM
Walcott should check Ramsay for a refresher course in finishing.
The ref save Arsenal here. Altidore get tief a goal.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: KND2 on September 14, 2013, 10:10:43 AM
Palos go have to eat some craw Ramsey buss a double
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: chelsealife on September 14, 2013, 10:22:16 AM
Walcott should check Ramsay for a refresher course in finishing.
The ref save Arsenal here. Altidore get tief a goal.
Exactly, the goal line technology doesnt work cuz that was clearly over the line. If the watch is supposed to vibrate am sure the ref must have felt it. Clear goal
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: doc on September 14, 2013, 10:31:57 AM
Walcott should check Ramsay for a refresher course in finishing.
The ref save Arsenal here. Altidore get tief a goal.
Exactly, the goal line technology doesnt work cuz that was clearly over the line. If the watch is supposed to vibrate am sure the ref must have felt it. Clear goal
How is that tief? In the referee's judgement a foul had occurred and he blew the whistle. Play was dead at that point. You can say he was too quick with the whistle, but he let the tussle go on for quite a bit, and he had to render a decision.One that I am happy with.  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on September 14, 2013, 10:50:57 AM
Walcott should check Ramsay for a refresher course in finishing.
The ref save Arsenal here. Altidore get tief a goal.
Exactly, the goal line technology doesnt work cuz that was clearly over the line. If the watch is supposed to vibrate am sure the ref must have felt it. Clear goal
How is that tief? In the referee's judgement a foul had occurred and he blew the whistle. Play was dead at that point. You can say he was too quick with the whistle, but he let the tussle go on for quite a bit, and he had to render a decision.One that I am happy with.  ;D

On the replays you could hear him blow the whistle just as Altidore got free. But yeah, it went on too long for him to let it go.

Still get tief though  ::)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: FF on September 14, 2013, 10:58:42 AM
Walcott should check Ramsay for a refresher course in finishing.
The ref save Arsenal here. Altidore get tief a goal.
Exactly, the goal line technology doesnt work cuz that was clearly over the line. If the watch is supposed to vibrate am sure the ref must have felt it. Clear goal

The tech works and it worked on this occasion. Unfortunately the play was already blown dead
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dinner Mints on September 14, 2013, 11:05:59 AM
Walcott should check Ramsay for a refresher course in finishing.
The ref save Arsenal here. Altidore get tief a goal.
Exactly, the goal line technology doesnt work cuz that was clearly over the line. If the watch is supposed to vibrate am sure the ref must have felt it. Clear goal

The tech works and it worked on this occasion. Unfortunately the play was already blown dead
Sunderland arguing that Sagna shoulda get a red, in that case.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bakes on September 14, 2013, 12:02:41 PM
Sunderland arguing that Sagna shoulda get a red, in that case.

There was no DOGSO so that was never a red card.  Unfortunate for Sunderland but hard to say Atkinson should not have whistled the play dead.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: grimm01 on September 14, 2013, 01:39:52 PM
Sunderland arguing that Sagna shoulda get a red, in that case.

There was no DOGSO so that was never a red card.  Unfortunate for Sunderland but hard to say Atkinson should not have whistled the play dead.

It was a situation where the ref damned one way or the other. If he never called it and Sunderland missed yuh woulda hear the moaning about calls going for big clubs etc etc. The ref blow the whistle before goal score, and play was dead at that point.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bakes on September 14, 2013, 03:33:12 PM
It was a situation where the ref damned one way or the other. If he never called it and Sunderland missed yuh woulda hear the moaning about calls going for big clubs etc etc. The ref blow the whistle before goal score, and play was dead at that point.

True talk.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 18, 2013, 02:55:12 PM
Marseille 1-2 Arsenal. Nice to see Theo find his scoring boots. Ramsey, hard luck dey. Ref tief yuh.

I tell allyuh Ramsey is a borse!  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: ckhan on September 18, 2013, 11:43:25 PM
I am not a Ramsey fan and have stated he should be traded. However, he is one of the in form players and looks like he is finally becoming the player Wenger knew he can become. May it continue but I am not holding out on it.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 22, 2013, 09:26:34 PM
Great win! Another goal for Ramsey. Ozil and Flamini are already proving excellent signings. I cannot believe we still have Podolski, Cazorla and Rosicky to come back. Hope Theo is ok because Giroud was real isolated on his own today. Top of the table too. Time to make it ours.  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 22, 2013, 10:25:13 PM
I am not a Ramsey fan and have stated he should be traded. However, he is one of the in form players and looks like he is finally becoming the player Wenger knew he can become. May it continue but I am not holding out on it.

Still not a Ramsey fan?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 25, 2013, 09:41:14 PM
The streak continues. Still, end of October will be PRESSHAH! Chelsea, Liverpool, Dortmund and Manchester United in a row. Still, bring them on!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on September 28, 2013, 12:28:31 PM
Two points clear.
Swansea is a tough out, esp for Arsenal. The little spurt when they scored (and could have had another) demonstrated the gap in quality. You have to want Laudrup and Swansea to get some top-four type money, that would be a joy to watch.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 28, 2013, 02:40:34 PM
Imagine this side still have Cazorla, Rosicky, Walcott and Podolski out injured yes!

BRING ON NAPOLI! :challenge:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: TdotTrini on September 28, 2013, 03:22:58 PM
  ^^^And new January signing Diaby  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: palos on September 28, 2013, 05:24:07 PM
  ^^^And new January signing Diaby  ;D

 :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Post by: palos on September 28, 2013, 05:25:55 PM
Palos go have to eat some craw Ramsey buss a double

True dat. But I currying my crow oui
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Post by: ckhan on September 28, 2013, 10:47:39 PM
I am not a Ramsey fan and have stated he should be traded. However, he is one of the in form players and looks like he is finally becoming the player Wenger knew he can become. May it continue but I am not holding out on it.

Still not a Ramsey fan?

Nah dred but I am glad for him cause, at the end of the day, Arsenal benefits  :)
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Post by: Bitter on October 01, 2013, 01:03:31 PM
The group of death...

Napoli looking like they ent come off the plane yet. Posession is 70% Arsenal.

I watching a Russian feed on Sopcast. The commentator calling this like he reading the farm report.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 01, 2013, 07:41:31 PM
LOL Bye Bye Arsenal

Still saying "Bye Bye Arsenal"? I vex we didn't score more. I even more vex Higuain didn't play. Arsenal play this game without their two top scorers from last season and embarrass Napoli. Look how the haters quiet!  :rotfl: :rotfl:

Whey Dortmund? Whey dem?!  :challenge:
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Post by: Bitter on October 01, 2013, 09:49:46 PM
LOL Bye Bye Arsenal

Still saying "Bye Bye Arsenal"? I vex we didn't score more. I even more vex Higuain didn't play. Arsenal play this game without their two top scorers from last season and embarrass Napoli. Look how the haters quiet!  :rotfl: :rotfl:

Whey Dortmund? Whey dem?!  :challenge:

Is still only the 2nd game eh. And you have to think that Higuain would have asked some questions of the defense. But that first half was some of the best football I see arsenal play since the Highbury days. It was a hell of a knock.

One of the things I always liked about Arsenal in the Invincibles days; when they went down, they used to keep doing the same thing, just faster and have the ball moving like is a video game. The first half was like that. They hit Napoli a tempo that had them running in circles.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 01, 2013, 10:03:14 PM
LOL Bye Bye Arsenal

Still saying "Bye Bye Arsenal"? I vex we didn't score more. I even more vex Higuain didn't play. Arsenal play this game without their two top scorers from last season and embarrass Napoli. Look how the haters quiet!  :rotfl: :rotfl:

Whey Dortmund? Whey dem?!  :challenge:

Is still only the 2nd game eh. And you have to think that Higuain would have asked some questions of the defense. But that first half was some of the best football I see arsenal play since the Highbury days. It was a hell of a knock.

One of the things I always liked about Arsenal in the Invincibles days; when they went down, they used to keep doing the same thing, just faster and have the ball moving like is a video game. The first half was like that. They hit Napoli a tempo that had them running in circles.

True Higuain might have improved them but as I said, we played without Cazorla and Walcott. Napoli could barely get out of their half in the first half anyway. I cannot wait to see this Arsenal side with Theo and Santi on the pitch!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 01, 2013, 10:27:57 PM
Correction. 3 of Arsenal's top 4 scorers last season are out. I forgot Podolski.
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Post by: Bitter on October 19, 2013, 08:24:03 AM
The knock on that goal...  :drool:
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Post by: grimm01 on October 19, 2013, 08:55:26 AM
The knock on that goal...  :drool:
Ridiculous goal. Norwich look like cones  :rotfl:
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Post by: Bitter on October 19, 2013, 09:52:12 AM
Norwich played better in the 2nd half, but class wins out.
Even Bendtner look like he know what he doing.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 19, 2013, 10:17:11 AM
To everybody who thought Ramsey wasn't good enough, that's why you are not managers.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 19, 2013, 10:17:34 AM
BRING ON DORTMUND! :challenge:
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Post by: elan on October 21, 2013, 10:31:14 PM
(http://i.minus.com/iKYXXFDEKJi17.gif)

(http://i.minus.com/iodVUNtM7yDPx.gif)
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 21, 2013, 11:09:45 PM
The varied nature of the goals this weekend was excellent too! One tiki taka, one counterattack at pace, one dribble and shot and one cross into the area. This Arsenal side can kill you in several different ways. More of the same tomorrow please Gunners?!
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Post by: Bitter on October 22, 2013, 02:28:36 PM
BRING ON DORTMUND! :challenge:

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/03/article-2242478-16559E7D000005DC-183_634x443.jpg)
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 22, 2013, 02:44:08 PM
BRING ON DORTMUND! :challenge:

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/03/article-2242478-16559E7D000005DC-183_634x443.jpg)

LOL! Well done Dortmund. Hit us with a sucker punch and took their chances better than we did. See you in Germany.
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Post by: Bitter on October 22, 2013, 03:08:45 PM
I thought Dortmund did a great job of closing down all over the pitch - as they always do.
You guys missed Flamini. Ozil was invisible for most of the game, Wilshere showed that he's not a winger - always a beat off, and Ramsay look bun.

After the goal, you picked up the pace, which helped, but for the most part, both teams neutralized each other, On the winning goal, somebody didn't track back and pick up Lewandowski. Sagna was in that position on the team sheet, but was playing right wing whole game, Ozil, probably.

This is the first game this season where I can say that Arsenal was missing Walcott and Podolski.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 22, 2013, 06:58:51 PM
I thought Dortmund did a great job of closing down all over the pitch - as they always do.
You guys missed Flamini. Ozil was invisible for most of the game, Wilshere showed that he's not a winger - always a beat off, and Ramsay look bun.

After the goal, you picked up the pace, which helped, but for the most part, both teams neutralized each other, On the winning goal, somebody didn't track back and pick up Lewandowski. Sagna was in that position on the team sheet, but was playing right wing whole game, Ozil, probably.

This is the first game this season where I can say that Arsenal was missing Walcott and Podolski.
A good analysis. Ramsey had his first bad game in a while. He was supposed to be covering Sagna when he went forward. And he lost the ball for their first goal. Ozil did well when he went to the right, setting up Rosicky and Cazorla to have, respectively, a shot cleared off the line and a shot hit the crossbar. He links up well with Sagna in attack. Sagna sent in a perfect cross for Giroud's goal. But his attacking left the defence exposed. I thought it was a pretty even game and could have gone either way but they took their chances better than us. Hopefully Flamini will be fit for the away game.
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Post by: Bitter on October 29, 2013, 03:27:06 PM
Sign of intent: Bendtner is your starting forward.
Sign of capitulation: Park Chu-Young is on the field.

Best you had just gone with all youths.
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Post by: Blue on October 29, 2013, 04:57:22 PM
Not even November and Arsenal season over...better luck next year :beermug:
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Post by: doc on October 29, 2013, 06:20:18 PM
Not even November and Arsenal season over...better luck next year :beermug:
Yuh lookin for company? Keep looking! ;D
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 30, 2013, 01:10:58 PM
Not even November and Arsenal season over...better luck next year :beermug:

He come all the way over here to gloat that his second 11 better than ours. We will just enjoy the view from the top of the table.
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Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on October 30, 2013, 01:15:57 PM
Not even November and Arsenal season over...better luck next year :beermug:

He come all the way over here to gloat that his second 11 better than ours. We will just enjoy the view from the top of the table.

Allyuh go be lucky to still be dey after this weekend's round of matches finish play!  Liverpool comin fuh allyuh suckaz!
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Post by: TdotTrini on November 02, 2013, 01:19:54 PM
Not even November and Arsenal season over...better luck next year :beermug:

He come all the way over here to gloat that his second 11 better than ours. We will just enjoy the view from the top of the table.

Allyuh go be lucky to still be dey after this weekend's round of matches finish play!  Liverpool comin fuh allyuh suckaz!

 :heehee:
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Post by: Bitter on November 02, 2013, 01:21:29 PM
Now we will hear about how Liverpool isn't really that good. The real test is Man U at Old Trafford.
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Post by: Bakes on November 02, 2013, 01:59:34 PM
Liverpool were definitely second best today... kudos to Arsenal.  We still have a lot of work to do.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on November 02, 2013, 03:11:04 PM
Not even November and Arsenal season over...better luck next year :beermug:

He come all the way over here to gloat that his second 11 better than ours. We will just enjoy the view from the top of the table.

Allyuh go be lucky to still be dey after this weekend's round of matches finish play!  Liverpool comin fuh allyuh suckaz!

They came for us. We sent them packing. 5 points clear now.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on November 02, 2013, 03:11:45 PM
Now we will hear about how Liverpool isn't really that good. The real test is Man U at Old Trafford.

We won't be considered title contenders until we play teams from space!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on November 02, 2013, 03:12:27 PM
Liverpool were definitely second best today... kudos to Arsenal.  We still have a lot of work to do.

I think Rodgers got his tactics wrong. And Arsenal did a good job of keeping SAS off the ball, mostly.
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Post by: Bakes on November 02, 2013, 03:48:26 PM

I think Rodgers got his tactics wrong. And Arsenal did a good job of keeping SAS off the ball, mostly.

He didn't so much get his 'tactics' wrong as much as he got the team selection wrong.  Cissokho continues to be an adventure at left back... where the cross from Sagna (of all people) came in from. Meanwhile he played Flanagan in place of an ill Johnson, the same Flanagan who hasn't played a game in 17 months.  He then waited until the 66' to bring on Coutinho.  Match fit or not, how could you NOT start Coutinho?
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on November 02, 2013, 04:01:04 PM

I think Rodgers got his tactics wrong. And Arsenal did a good job of keeping SAS off the ball, mostly.

He didn't so much get his 'tactics' wrong as much as he got the team selection wrong.  Cissokho continues to be an adventure at left back... where the cross from Sagna (of all people) came in from. Meanwhile he played Flanagan in place of an ill Johnson, the same Flanagan who hasn't played a game in 17 months.  He then waited until the 66' to bring on Coutinho.  Match fit or not, how could you NOT start Coutinho?

I actually thought Flanagan played decently. Not starting Coutinho was a mistake though. But against a 3-5-2 I would always expect Sagna & Gibbs to get crosses into the box, although Gibbs CANNOT cross. Pool just didn't defend the cross properly for Cazorla's goal.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on November 06, 2013, 03:44:58 PM
Smash and grab victory! I guess my "BRING ON DORTMUND" worked after all. Listen to the classical music Kloppo!
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Post by: Bitter on November 06, 2013, 03:51:34 PM
Smash and grab victory! I guess my "BRING ON DORTMUND" worked after all. Listen to the classical music Kloppo!

(http://www.independent.com.mt/uploads/media/NewspaperArticleImage-MediaItem/Large/3041394689-klopp-Dortmund-coach-Klopp-extends-contract-to-2018-0VW.jpg)
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Post by: ckhan on November 06, 2013, 03:55:30 PM
The CH played well and everyone is talking on the field and not leaving it for chance. This boy Ramsey making me eat crow! He is having a breakout season and Giroud is making his presence felt (even when he is not scoring). However, we need another striker to take the load off, Bendtener has never cut it and never will!

Great win for the Gunners!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on November 06, 2013, 04:11:23 PM
Smash and grab victory! I guess my "BRING ON DORTMUND" worked after all. Listen to the classical music Kloppo!

(http://www.independent.com.mt/uploads/media/NewspaperArticleImage-MediaItem/Large/3041394689-klopp-Dortmund-coach-Klopp-extends-contract-to-2018-0VW.jpg)

 :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on November 06, 2013, 04:12:48 PM
LOL Bye Bye Arsenal

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Post by: Bitter on November 06, 2013, 04:27:38 PM
Interesting game. I thought Dortmund might have over-thought it. A lot less pressing than the prior game. Maybe Klopp thought that Arsenal would be ready for that, and decided to sit deep instead and suck them up the field. Sometimes it seemed that Dortmund was the away side.

Still, the transition from defense to attack for Dortmund is breathtaking. One second 10 men behind the ball, next thing you know 5 men in front of your goal. Their finishing was woeful though, a LOT of misses. On a different day, Arsenal looks for the winner they need, Dortmund hits them on the break, wins comfortably.

The shot count was 15 for BVB (but only 3 on target!) vs 4 for Arsenal.
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Post by: Banter Banton on November 06, 2013, 06:05:56 PM
Dansteel..it is November

You guy's have the arrogance of Champions.. when you have won f**k all in 8 years

Riding on Ozil confidence and other clubs adjusting to their new managers and ideas.

Hopefully United send Arsenal and all it's over the top arrogance crashing down into harsh reality on Sunday.....bring it on Bitch
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on November 06, 2013, 08:09:55 PM
Dansteel..it is November

You guy's have the arrogance of Champions.. when you have won f**k all in 8 years

Riding on Ozil confidence and other clubs adjusting to their new managers and ideas.

Hopefully United send Arsenal and all it's over the top arrogance crashing down into harsh reality on Sunday.....bring it on Bitch

I love it! A Man United fan talking about arrogance! And from 8 points back too!  :rotfl:

All I did was laugh at your ridiculous "Bye bye Arsenal" when the draw was made. You sound a little flustered. You should try and smoke some weed and calm down instead of calling people who you don't know "bitch". That was real classy. Typical United fan behaviour.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on November 09, 2013, 06:46:14 PM
Great game coming. Let's see if Mertesacker and Koscielny can stop Rooney and RVP the way they stopped Suarez and Sturridge.
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Post by: Bakes on November 09, 2013, 10:23:53 PM
Great game coming. Let's see if Mertesacker and Koscielny can stop Rooney and RVP the way they stopped Suarez and Sturridge.

Oh we giving dem de credit... and not the Arsenal midfield?  Allyuh better pray Fellaini eh ketch ah vaps and turn back de clock to he Everton days.
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Post by: Bitter on November 10, 2013, 12:00:10 PM
Another game where Arsenal miss Walcott, too narrow and Ozil is too slow to threaten on the wing. Gnabry is a better option, but is on too late perhaps. They are missing the direct play of Rosicky.

All 3 games on tv today have the same feel, early goal by the "underdog", followed by deep, committed defending until the end.  Man U is winning this game by playing like Sunderland - which isn't a bad thing.

Anyway, allyuh fail the test. 
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Post by: D.H.W on November 10, 2013, 12:06:33 PM
Glory Glory don't right us off  :whip:
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Post by: kaliman2006 on November 10, 2013, 12:07:40 PM
As a Liverpool fan, it's actually not a bad thing Utd. won.

Moyes fed the Old Trafford buck.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on November 10, 2013, 12:32:54 PM
Well done United. A very tight game and Giroud came up short on two brilliant crosses from Sagna. We miss Mertesacker bad on that goal boy!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on November 10, 2013, 12:43:51 PM
Great game coming. Let's see if Mertesacker and Koscielny can stop Rooney and RVP the way they stopped Suarez and Sturridge.

Oh we giving dem de credit... and not the Arsenal midfield?  Allyuh better pray Fellaini eh ketch ah vaps and turn back de clock to he Everton days.

Mertesacker was utterly brilliant against Liverpool. And Fellaini has always been garbage.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on November 10, 2013, 09:58:47 PM
Another game where Arsenal miss Walcott, too narrow and Ozil is too slow to threaten on the wing. Gnabry is a better option, but is on too late perhaps. They are missing the direct play of Rosicky.

All 3 games on tv today have the same feel, early goal by the "underdog", followed by deep, committed defending until the end.  Man U is winning this game by playing like Sunderland - which isn't a bad thing.

Anyway, allyuh fail the test. 

Good analysis. The test on Wednesday was bigger though. Disappointed about this game but it's a setback, not a disaster. So it goes sometimes.
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Post by: Bitter on November 23, 2013, 09:37:51 AM
WTH the keeper was doing there?

Gift to Arsenal
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Post by: fari on November 23, 2013, 12:39:06 PM
not a vintage Arsenal performnce but we will take the 3 points.  this saints team is solid from top to bottom, i hope they give chelsea a good workout next week though ;D
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on November 24, 2013, 10:27:26 AM
not a vintage Arsenal performnce but we will take the 3 points.  this saints team is solid from top to bottom, i hope they give chelsea a good workout next week though ;D

We hit the post twice in the first half. Not the manner of victory I wanted but Arsenal deserved it thoroughly. Saints are a damn good side though.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on November 24, 2013, 10:29:42 AM
WTH the keeper was doing there?

Gift to Arsenal

Love to see how Giroud harasses and bullies opposition players into mistakes. Good work!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on November 24, 2013, 12:24:14 PM
In the last 4 games (Liverpool, Dortmund, United and Southampton), Arsenal have scored 5 and conceded 1. A hell of a run! Shame about the 1 though. Keep up the good work Wenger!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on November 26, 2013, 10:07:38 AM
Another must win today. Imagine a side could finish with 12 points in this group and still not qualify. I want Arsenal to win this group and shut up the haters BAD!
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Post by: Bitter on November 26, 2013, 03:55:12 PM
Group of death comes down to the last day.
Arsenal need a draw vs Napoli. Both Dortmund and Napoli need wins to guarantee qualification.
Marseille need a bush bath.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on November 26, 2013, 04:01:17 PM
Group of death comes down to the last day.
Arsenal need a draw vs Napoli. Both Dortmund and Napoli need wins to guarantee qualification.
Marseille need a bush bath.

1 point wins us the group. We on 12 points already and the most anyone else can get is 12. We need to lose 3-0 to get knocked out. Just go Naples and play on the break I say.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on November 30, 2013, 11:06:28 AM
Lovely result Arsenal. 3-0 at Cardiff.  :applause:
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Post by: Fyzoman on November 30, 2013, 06:41:51 PM
Lovely result Arsenal. 3-0 at Cardiff.  :applause:
Yep...Ramsey cah stop scoring, classy display by him and the Cardiff fans too :)
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 01, 2013, 12:45:48 AM
Lovely result Arsenal. 3-0 at Cardiff.  :applause:
Yep...Ramsey cah stop scoring, classy display by him and the Cardiff fans too :)

Giroud need to learn to play to the whistle tho.
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Post by: Bitter on December 04, 2013, 03:21:13 PM
Another training exercise.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 04, 2013, 08:56:49 PM
Another training exercise.

Everton this weekend, then Napoli, City and Chelsea before West Ham on Boxing Day. Time to step it up.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 07, 2013, 11:58:48 AM
Time to stretch your legs Gunners. Chance to go 7 points clear tomorrow. Keep another clean sheet and it's yours.
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Post by: Bakes on December 07, 2013, 12:59:05 PM
Time to stretch your legs Gunners. Chance to go 7 points clear tomorrow. Keep another clean sheet and it's yours.

They already went "7 points clear" twice this season, clearly that ent no big achievement.  We eh even hit January yet.
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Post by: ckhan on December 07, 2013, 01:10:06 PM
Big games coming up. Hope the boys can be fit and injury free.
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Post by: Bitter on December 08, 2013, 11:42:47 AM
Intriguing game. Everton are excellent.
Maybe Man U should have left Fellaini behind and taken Martinez instead.

I hope we see Ross Barkley in Brazil next summer.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 08, 2013, 12:30:22 PM
Fair result. Shame we not 7 points clear but at least we extended the lead. You can see why these 2 teams are so good defensively. Agree with Bitter. Man U hire the wrong manager yes!

Need a draw on Tuesday and to win at least one of our next 2 games.

Hats off Delofeu, string up Szczesny proper yes!
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Post by: fari on December 08, 2013, 02:39:49 PM
Fair result. Shame we not 7 points clear but at least we extended the lead. You can see why these 2 teams are so good defensively. Agree with Bitter. Man U hire the wrong manager yes!

Need a draw on Tuesday and to win at least one of our next 2 games.

Hats off Delofeu, string up Szczesny proper yes!

twas a fantastic goal he scored...Martinez get some jedd talent on loan boy...Lukaku, Barry, Delofeu...that spine good enough for a top four finish
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Post by: ckhan on December 08, 2013, 09:53:19 PM
Dat Everton side deserved the point. Glad we put in a good shift, onto Napoli.
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Post by: palos on December 09, 2013, 04:13:35 PM
Giroud volley on the turn in the last minute of extra time was epic. All it eh do was score.
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Post by: Cocorite on December 09, 2013, 10:32:44 PM
Giroud volley on the turn in the last minute of extra time was epic. All it eh do was score.

Wasn't it reminiscent of the shot by the Bahrain player that Jack push over the bar?
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 11, 2013, 01:17:19 PM
Napoli: Rafael, Maggio, Fernandez, Armero, Albiol, Callejon, Dzemalli, Behrahmi, Mertens, Higuain, Pandev
Subs: Colombo, Uvini, Britos, Cannavaro, Inler, Insigne, Zapata

Arsenal: Szczesny, Jenkinson, Mertesacker, Koscielny, Gibbs, Flamini, Arteta, Rosicky, Cazorla, Ozil, Giroud
Subs: Fabianski, Vermaelen, Monreal, Wilshere, Ramsey, Walcott, Bendtner

Arsenal going for it. Nice!
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Post by: Bitter on December 11, 2013, 03:21:19 PM
uh oh...
Down a goal and now down a man.
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Post by: Bitter on December 11, 2013, 03:33:17 PM
Group of death!

Dortmund score in the 87th minute!
Expect a torrid last 5 minutes or so for Arsenal
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Post by: Bitter on December 11, 2013, 03:38:06 PM
less than a minute for Napoli to get a 3rd and qualify.
Nope, game done.
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Post by: ckhan on December 11, 2013, 03:47:53 PM
We make things interesting don't it....however, we move on.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 11, 2013, 03:50:53 PM
Arsenal like they decide they didn't want it yes! Steups!

Anyway, all the haters say we were going out. They could rock so!
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Post by: Bakes on December 11, 2013, 03:56:41 PM
Arsenal like they decide they didn't want it yes! Steups!

Anyway, all the haters say we were going out. They could rock so!

I tort yuh say Arsenal were going for it?  Dey reach halfway and change dey mind or what?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 11, 2013, 03:58:26 PM
Arsenal like they decide they didn't want it yes! Steups!

Anyway, all the haters say we were going out. They could rock so!

I tort yuh say Arsenal were going for it?  Dey reach halfway and change dey mind or what?

Wenger put out a strong side. But they play like they were already through. Steups. Anyway, rock so haters!
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Post by: grimm01 on December 11, 2013, 04:08:57 PM
That was close.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 11, 2013, 06:02:53 PM
That was close.

Not really. In the scoreline yes but they scored the 2nd with no time left.

Worried about Arteta. He has been poor the last few games. Too slow and resorting to fouling a lot. As a friend pointed out just now, if Yaya gets isolated against him on Saturday he dead.
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Post by: elan on December 11, 2013, 06:54:41 PM
wow Arsenal made sure they lorse that game. UEFA should fine them. That was to blatant. They tried so hard for Napoli to score. Now with that lorse they avoid a tough group in the knock out rounds.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 11, 2013, 07:03:21 PM
wow Arsenal made sure they lorse that game. UEFA should fine them. That was to blatant. They tried so hard for Napoli to score. Now with that lorse they avoid a tough group in the knock out rounds.

They will have to play one of Real, Barca, Atleti, Bayern or PSG so I am not sure I understand you.
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Post by: Bitter on December 14, 2013, 07:21:29 AM
Monreal pulling plenty stones in this game. Arsenal are lucky to be level.
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Post by: Bitter on December 14, 2013, 07:24:22 AM
Monreal pulling plenty stones in this game.
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Post by: Bitter on December 14, 2013, 07:27:08 AM
Koscielny off injured.
Is Arsenal's season done?
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Post by: Bitter on December 14, 2013, 07:35:41 AM
Monreal is coming inside to cover the run into the box of whoever is coming down the right. So they double-team Negredo, and then Zabaleta comes doenthe outside free as a bird. Is almost like Arsenal don't have a left back.
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Post by: lefty on December 14, 2013, 08:06:18 AM
game have some fire :) citeh!

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Post by: Bitter on December 14, 2013, 08:08:38 AM
Walcott first was a fluke. The second was pure class.
I don't know why City take their foot off the gas.
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Post by: lefty on December 14, 2013, 08:08:49 AM
edit 3-2 still entertainin for d not so neutral
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Post by: Bitter on December 14, 2013, 08:10:40 AM
Monreal leave Navas again.

4-2
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Post by: Bitter on December 14, 2013, 08:21:08 AM
Bendner in. The sign of capitulation be Arsenal.
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Post by: Bitter on December 14, 2013, 08:31:37 AM
This ref is calling a poor game. Fouls that aren't fouls, Corners that should be goal kicks... There were a few bad offside calls too.
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Post by: kaliman2006 on December 14, 2013, 08:42:15 AM
This will be one of the most open title races in years. City moves into 2nd place, depending on other results over the weekend of course.
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Post by: Bitter on December 14, 2013, 08:45:15 AM
Bad scoreline for Arsenal, but not a bad loss.  City picked on Monreal whole game. They scored 4 at the Etihad (the bendner goal wasn't offside)

City need to stop switching off though. Kill them off in the first half, then you could knock it around all you like.
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Post by: ckhan on December 14, 2013, 09:39:53 AM
A week to forget. City got some calls in their favour but were the better team overall. Time to regroup and take chelsea at home.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 14, 2013, 09:40:28 AM
What can I say, well done City. But I am not that worried about this game. We will recover. Nice to see Theo back and looking like a predator again.

Again, well done City :applause:
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 14, 2013, 09:47:08 AM
Bad scoreline for Arsenal, but not a bad loss.  City picked on Monreal whole game. They scored 4 at the Etihad (the bendner goal wasn't offside)

City need to stop switching off though. Kill them off in the first half, then you could knock it around all you like.

Wilshere left Monreal exposed all game. He has been horrible recently. He needs to get through this spell.
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Post by: elan on December 14, 2013, 10:44:45 AM
Bad scoreline for Arsenal, but not a bad loss.  City picked on Monreal whole game. They scored 4 at the Etihad (the bendner goal wasn't offside)

City need to stop switching off though. Kill them off in the first half, then you could knock it around all you like.

6-3 is not a bad loss  ???  Wenger really have men believing. That is a bad loss and a bad score line.
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Post by: Bitter on December 14, 2013, 11:02:53 AM
Bad scoreline for Arsenal, but not a bad loss.  City picked on Monreal whole game. They scored 4 at the Etihad (the bendner goal wasn't offside)

City need to stop switching off though. Kill them off in the first half, then you could knock it around all you like.

Wilshere left Monreal exposed all game. He has been horrible recently. He needs to get through this spell.

True, he was using the point technique on the 2nd City goal.  - point at the man you supposed to be covering hoping somebody else pick him up.
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Post by: lefty on December 14, 2013, 11:04:56 AM
Bad scoreline for Arsenal, but not a bad loss.  City picked on Monreal whole game. They scored 4 at the Etihad (the bendner goal wasn't offside)

City need to stop switching off though. Kill them off in the first half, then you could knock it around all you like.

6-3 is not a bad loss  ???  Wenger really have men believing. That is a bad loss and a bad score line.
giroud(spelling) scuff 'bout 3 chances plus d offside goal dat didn look offside.
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Post by: Bitter on December 14, 2013, 11:13:37 AM
Bad scoreline for Arsenal, but not a bad loss.  City picked on Monreal whole game. They scored 4 at the Etihad (the bendner goal wasn't offside)

City need to stop switching off though. Kill them off in the first half, then you could knock it around all you like.

6-3 is not a bad loss  ???  Wenger really have men believing. That is a bad loss and a bad score line.

There are games where you don't compete and just get licks - like Spurs v City. Considering that EVERYBODY gets licks at the Etihad, the result wasn't as important as the performance. After all that Arsenal still in 1st place - for now.   
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Post by: Bakes on December 14, 2013, 12:36:36 PM
Anytime you give up 6 goals that is a bad game... win or lose.
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Post by: doc on December 16, 2013, 05:20:44 AM
Arsenal vs Bayern Munich again
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Post by: fari on December 16, 2013, 12:13:45 PM
Arsenal vs Bayern Munich again

again!   if i didn't know better i would swear the draw was fixed
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 17, 2013, 02:40:48 PM
Arsenal vs Bayern Munich again

We are a better side than the one that went out on away goals. Bayern is a better side than the one than went through. We will just have to see who is more betterer again.
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Post by: Cocorite on December 17, 2013, 09:07:11 PM
Doh worry Arsenal go handle dey stories . . . dey better
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 21, 2013, 11:34:17 AM
No longer at the top. First time in a few weeks. Over to you Gunners.
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Post by: doc on December 23, 2013, 04:32:21 PM
Two points dropped.... no penalty, no red card... we march on!!
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Post by: Bakes on December 23, 2013, 04:40:31 PM
Two points dropped.... no penalty, no red card... we march on!!

Should have been a red on Mikel no doubt.  Not so clear on Theo's shout for a penalty.  He tried hard to sell what was essentially a dive.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 23, 2013, 10:00:07 PM
Two points dropped.... no penalty, no red card... we march on!!

Should have been a red on Mikel no doubt.  Not so clear on Theo's shout for a penalty.  He tried hard to sell what was essentially a dive.

That was a clear penalty. What on earth does "essentially" a dive mean?
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 23, 2013, 10:02:09 PM
Two points dropped.... no penalty, no red card... we march on!!

I am starting to run out of reasons to defend Giroud. On the other hand, despite 3 ridiculous decisions (both Mikel AND Ramires should have been sent off) by one of the most serially incompetent referees in the league, we remain tied on points with first and they have to play at City and Chelsea next.
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Post by: Bakes on December 23, 2013, 10:48:50 PM
That was a clear penalty. What on earth does "essentially" a dive mean?

It means exactly what was posted, at its essence that was a dive.  Walcott felt contact on his feet and voluntarily removed them, both of them, from under himself.  The only thing saving it from an out and out dive is the fact that there was contact.
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Post by: elan on December 23, 2013, 11:03:35 PM
Red card on Mikel for what? Fellas you all must try sometimes and not be so biased. Both players went in the same way. You all defend who you want to defend and throw under the bus who alyuh want to throw under the bus. Commentators does really influence what alyuh see.

Same thing at half time they talking about Chelsea eh doing nothing, but it too Arsenal 82 minutes to get a shot on target, when Chelsea had 7 at the half.

Both went in studs up but Mikel was a bit slower than dude.

http://www.youtube.com/v/wN-0UiCB-Gk

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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 23, 2013, 11:54:37 PM
That was a clear penalty. What on earth does "essentially" a dive mean?

It means exactly what was posted, at its essence that was a dive.  Walcott felt contact on his feet and voluntarily removed them, both of them, from under himself.  The only thing saving it from an out and out dive is the fact that there was contact.

It's "essence" was a dive? Either he dived or he was fouled. That "essence" talk sounds like too much wiggle room to be a credible argument to me. The contact he felt was enough to bring him down. The ball was never played. That's all. Foul.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 23, 2013, 11:58:07 PM
Red card on Mikel for what? Fellas you all must try sometimes and not be so biased. Both players went in the same way. You all defend who you want to defend and throw under the bus who alyuh want to throw under the bus. Commentators does really influence what alyuh see.

Same thing at half time they talking about Chelsea eh doing nothing, but it too Arsenal 82 minutes to get a shot on target, when Chelsea had 7 at the half.

Both went in studs up but Mikel was a bit slower than dude.

http://www.youtube.com/v/wN-0UiCB-Gk



Where Mikel studs hit? That is a reckless and dangerous tackle and therefore deserving of a red. Mikel should have been faster if he didn't want to foul Arteta. Or if he wasn't going to make it, pull his leg out of the challenge. His studs hit way up Arteta's leg. That is on the video YOU posted. That is not reckless and dangerous?
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Post by: Bakes on December 24, 2013, 12:56:40 AM
It's "essence" was a dive? Either he dived or he was fouled. That "essence" talk sounds like too much wiggle room to be a credible argument to me. The contact he felt was enough to bring him down. The ball was never played. That's all. Foul.

You must like arguing so you can see your keystrokes fly across the screen.  "At it's essence it was a dive" means that he embellished the contact and went to ground unnecessarily.  Not all contact is a foul, even if there is contact without playing the ball.  It would have been a very soft penalty and the referee ruled accordingly.  Moving on.

Red card on Mikel for what? Fellas you all must try sometimes and not be so biased. Both players went in the same way. You all defend who you want to defend and throw under the bus who alyuh want to throw under the bus. Commentators does really influence what alyuh see.

Same thing at half time they talking about Chelsea eh doing nothing, but it too Arsenal 82 minutes to get a shot on target, when Chelsea had 7 at the half.

Both went in studs up but Mikel was a bit slower than dude.



The gist of your argument is that it was an accident, that there was no malice involved.  Both went in studs up, only one made contact... sufficient to actually break Arteta's shin pad.  "Serious foul play"... therefore a "sending off offense."

A man break another man shin pad with a tackle, deliberate or accidental... and you here arguing bias.  I doh know if to steups or laugh.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 24, 2013, 08:34:46 AM
It's "essence" was a dive? Either he dived or he was fouled. That "essence" talk sounds like too much wiggle room to be a credible argument to me. The contact he felt was enough to bring him down. The ball was never played. That's all. Foul.

You must like arguing so you can see your keystrokes fly across the screen.  "At it's essence it was a dive" means that he embellished the contact and went to ground unnecessarily.  Not all contact is a foul, even if there is contact without playing the ball.  It would have been a very soft penalty and the referee ruled accordingly.  Moving on.

I like arguing when I know I'm right. But if you wish to distract from it with ad hominem statements like "my keystrokes flying across the screen" then so be it. I will stick to the point of my argument. I saw Willian kick his standing leg. That's a foul. And a foul in the area is a penalty. All this talk of "essence" is just convenient muddying of the waters.
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Post by: Dinner Mints on December 24, 2013, 08:37:54 AM
Walcott could've stood up and kept moving. That contact didn't bring him down. He brought himself down. That is a dive. I say this as an Arsenal supporter. Man need to stop crying bout that penalty that wasn't.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 24, 2013, 08:44:47 AM
A direct free kick is awarded when a player commits any of the following in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:

    Kicks or attempts to kick an opponent
    Trips or attempts to trip an opponent

    Jumps at an opponent
    Charges an opponent
    Strikes or attempts to strike an opponent
    Pushes an opponent
    Tackles an opponent

Or commits any the following offences:

    Holds an opponent
    Spits at an opponent
    Handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own penalty area).

In determining whether or not a player deliberately handled the ball, the referee has several considerations:

    Movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)
    Distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)
    Position of the hand ('natural' position versus 'unnatural' position) does not necessarily mean that there is an infringement
    Touching the ball with an object held in the hand (clothing, shinguard, etc.) counts as an infringement (considered an extension of the hand)
    Hitting the ball with a thrown object (boot, shinguard, etc.) counts as an infringement (also considered an extension of the hand)

If a player commits a direct free kick offence within his own penalty area, a penalty kick is awarded irrespective of the position of the ball, provided the ball is in play.
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Post by: elan on December 24, 2013, 09:56:00 AM
It's "essence" was a dive? Either he dived or he was fouled. That "essence" talk sounds like too much wiggle room to be a credible argument to me. The contact he felt was enough to bring him down. The ball was never played. That's all. Foul.

You must like arguing so you can see your keystrokes fly across the screen.  "At it's essence it was a dive" means that he embellished the contact and went to ground unnecessarily.  Not all contact is a foul, even if there is contact without playing the ball.  It would have been a very soft penalty and the referee ruled accordingly.  Moving on.

Red card on Mikel for what? Fellas you all must try sometimes and not be so biased. Both players went in the same way. You all defend who you want to defend and throw under the bus who alyuh want to throw under the bus. Commentators does really influence what alyuh see.

Same thing at half time they talking about Chelsea eh doing nothing, but it too Arsenal 82 minutes to get a shot on target, when Chelsea had 7 at the half.

Both went in studs up but Mikel was a bit slower than dude.



The gist of your argument is that it was an accident, that there was no malice involved.  Both went in studs up, only one made contact... sufficient to actually break Arteta's shin pad.  "Serious foul play"... therefore a "sending off offense."

A man break another man shin pad with a tackle, deliberate or accidental... and you here arguing bias.  I doh know if to steups or laugh.

Any studs up tackle whether contact or not is a cardable offense. The ref made a very good no call. You could do whatever you want, but is only certain players does deserve cards.
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Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on December 24, 2013, 12:18:45 PM
Dansteel Walcott was not tripped nor was there an attempt to trip him so that is bullshyte yuh tawkin hoss.  The referee didn't consider it careless, reckless or using excessive force therefor no call.  What so hard to understand?
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 24, 2013, 02:56:11 PM
Dansteel Walcott was not tripped nor was there an attempt to trip him so that is bullshyte yuh tawkin hoss.  The referee didn't consider it careless, reckless or using excessive force therefor no call.  What so hard to understand?

The ref was wrong. And I highlighted all the possible applications of Law 12. His attempt to tackle was careless, even if it wasn't an attempt to trip. Ergo it was a foul. Not the first time a referee was wrong. I'm sure if that were Hazard and Mertesacker you would be bawling for a penalty. I remember Drogba's flop in preseason and allyuh was bawling how it was legit, and that was softer than the foul on Walcott.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 26, 2013, 03:11:07 PM
Good win today! As Ramsey and Giroud go off the boil, Walcott and Podolski step up. Theo with 4 goals in 3 games. Season setting up nice. On to the next one!
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Post by: palos on December 26, 2013, 04:14:07 PM
Arsenal look shaky to me.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 26, 2013, 11:13:05 PM
Arsenal look shaky to me.

They could look shaky as long as they win.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 30, 2013, 08:59:57 AM
Another good 3 points! Giroud scoring drought is over, hopefully. Good to see how the defence sat deep and handled everything Newcastle threw at them in the last 15 minutes. I was nervous and didn't think they could do it but they handled it comfortably. Well done!
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Post by: ckhan on January 01, 2014, 11:10:07 AM
Nice win for the Gooners! This had draw written all over it and it was Bendtner...WTH?!?! and he pulled a calf muscle. Nice finish by Walcott for the 2nd. one as well.
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Post by: doc on January 04, 2014, 01:08:46 PM
Sweet taboo  ;D...
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Post by: palos on January 04, 2014, 02:28:48 PM
Gnabry was quite impressive today
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on January 06, 2014, 12:46:14 PM
Walcott ruptured his ACL. Out for 6 months. His season done and no World Cup for him either.  :banginghead:
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Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on January 06, 2014, 12:59:24 PM
salt
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on January 19, 2014, 11:58:45 AM
Steups! Thanks for nothing United!
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Post by: lefty on January 19, 2014, 12:19:27 PM
Steups! Thanks for nothing United!
w'happen yuh nervous or wah ;D
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on January 19, 2014, 12:34:08 PM
Annoyed. A close race and I wouldn't mind a little breathing space. I still think Arsenal are a bit better than Chelsea this season.

But it had to be Chelsea to face United with no Rooney or RVP eh? I feel Chelsea sign Ferguson's buck!
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Post by: lefty on January 19, 2014, 12:48:19 PM
Annoyed. A close race and I wouldn't mind a little breathing space. I still think Arsenal are a bit better than Chelsea this season.

But it had to be Chelsea to face United with no Rooney or RVP eh? I feel Chelsea sign Ferguson's buck!

what about dat steamroller action Man City trowin dong,I more worried bout dem dan alyuh to be honest
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on January 19, 2014, 12:55:23 PM
Annoyed. A close race and I wouldn't mind a little breathing space. I still think Arsenal are a bit better than Chelsea this season.

But it had to be Chelsea to face United with no Rooney or RVP eh? I feel Chelsea sign Ferguson's buck!

what about dat steamroller action Man City trowin dong,I more worried bout dem dan alyuh to be honest

So am I. But they still have to go to all the big sides to play, except allyuh.
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Post by: lefty on January 19, 2014, 01:03:45 PM
dis go be ah close...close race and Man City goal tally and GD scary
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on January 19, 2014, 01:07:52 PM
Yep. Once they keep Kompany fit I think they are clear favourites.
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Post by: elan on January 26, 2014, 04:31:38 PM
Gedion Zelalem looks at home at Arsenal (http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/arsenal/id/3264?cc=5901)




On Oct. 1, 1996, Arsene Wenger took the reins as Arsenal manager. Four months into his tenure, an event occurred that could see a different date enshrined in the collective memory of Gunners fans: On Jan. 26, 1997, Gedion Zelalem was born.

On Sunday, Zelalem turns 17. That landmark enables him to sign his first professional contract with Arsenal. All in all, it’s not been a bad week for the Berlin-born midfielder.

(http://a.espncdn.com//design05/images/2014/0126/gedionzelalemarsenalvertical20140124_200x300.jpg)
Gedion Zelalem Arsenal action

Gedion Zelalem has already seen a battle for his international services emerge between the United States and Germany.
When he made his professional debut against Coventry City on Friday night, Zelalem became the first player born after Wenger took charge to feature on one of his teams. The teenager also became the youngest footballer to represent Arsenal in the FA Cup. Although the records might have the statisticians buzzing, they’re not what drives Zelalem. The most important thing for him is that he had the opportunity to take to the turf at the Emirates Stadium.

But for injury, his debut would have come much sooner. Missing the opportunity to play in the Capital One Cup tie at West Brom will have irked the youngster. Zelalem is hugely precocious, and prodigious talent is rarely patient. Stepping out in front of 60,000 fans at the Emirates, Zelalem would have felt more relief than fear. Finally, he is where he belongs.

It has been quite the journey. Zelalem spent the early part of his life in Germany, playing with Hertha Berlin’s BSC academy. In 2006 -- the year Arsenal crossed Drayton Park to the Emirates Stadium -- Zelalem undertook a voyage of his own, traversing the Atlantic to move to the United States.

Having settled in the States, Zelalem eventually found his way onto the respected Olney Rangers setup. His talent flourished, and it was there that Arsenal scout Danny Karbassiyoon laid eyes on the youngster. As a player, Karbassiyoon made the step up from youth soccer in the States to competitive football with Arsenal. In Zelalem, he saw the same raw ingredients for success. Within a matter of months, Arsenal and Zelalem made arrangements for a trial period. It’s unsurprising that Wenger was instantly similarly enamoured: Zelalem is perfect for the sort of football Wenger encourages his teams to play.

If Wenger were granted the means to build his ideal midfielder from scratch, he would look something like Zelalem. His tall frame suggests he will develop the physical stature to survive in the combative environment of the Premier League. He also has the basic stamina required of a central midfielder.

However, it’s the technical aspect of his game that demands the most attention. The precision of his passes is perfectly suited to Arsenal’s intricate, attractive style. Comparisons between footballers can occasionally be lazy or unhelpful, but Zelalem’s similarity to Cesc Fabregas is notable. Like the Spaniard, Zelalem’s eyes never drop to the ball. He is constantly scanning the horizon, his slender neck operating as a periscope as he seeks to identify opportunities to dissect the opposition defence.

Watching him during Arsenal’s preseason tour of Asia, it became clear that Zelalem possesses preternatural spatial awareness. Not only can he easily interpret the runs of his teammates, but he also has the uncanny gift of being able to turn away from opposition defenders before they even arrive.

Unsurprisingly, debate over Zelalem’s international future has already begun. Although he has already represented Germany at the youth level, Jurgen Klinsmann is eager to get him to declare for the U.S. A potential problem is that if Zelalem did choose to represent America, his EU status would be revoked, potentially threatening his position at Arsenal. However, there should be no great cause for concern; if ever there was a youngster befitting an “exceptional talent” visa, Zelalem is it. He is not going anywhere in a hurry.

Zelalem is only 17, but his odyssey has already taken him to America and back. He is as well travelled as he is talented. Now, though, as the archetypal Arsenal footballer, he couldn’t be in a better place for his development. Zelalem can finally settle: He is home now.
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Post by: Bitter on January 28, 2014, 03:41:20 PM
...and thus ends Arsenal's run at the top.
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Post by: FF on January 28, 2014, 03:44:11 PM
...and thus ends Arsenal's run at the top.

Not yet...
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Post by: Peong on January 28, 2014, 09:59:27 PM
...and thus ends Arsenal's run at the top.

Doh come and goat mout City now.
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Post by: Bitter on January 29, 2014, 02:53:25 PM
Like I was saying...
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on January 29, 2014, 09:13:03 PM
...and thus ends Arsenal's run at the top.

For now. Plenty football to play before May.
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Post by: MEP on January 29, 2014, 10:43:25 PM
doh mata what allyuh say de race is not for the swiftest but for those with the longest endurance ..right now we kroosin along
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Post by: ckhan on January 30, 2014, 07:50:26 PM
We leaving it late in the transfer window and all the players we are linked to are falling by the wayside, not looking good.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 02, 2014, 09:00:59 PM
The Ox is back! :applause:

Over to you Chelsea.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 03, 2014, 04:17:51 PM
...and thus ends Arsenal's run at the top.

...and thus resumes Arsenal's run at the top! Thanks Chel$ki!
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Post by: lefty on February 03, 2014, 04:20:44 PM
...and thus ends Arsenal's run at the top.

...and thus resumes Arsenal's run at the top! Thanks Chel$ki!

keep it warm for we..........alyuh have to move jus now
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 03, 2014, 04:21:29 PM
...and thus ends Arsenal's run at the top.

...and thus resumes Arsenal's run at the top! Thanks Chel$ki!

keep it warm for we..........alyuh have to move jus now

 :rotfl:

Whatever you say boss!
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Post by: elan on February 06, 2014, 12:25:42 PM
Arsenal should give Bacary Sagna a new three-year deal (http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/arsenal/id/3336?cc=5901)



It is an age which seems to set alarm bells ringing at Arsenal and particularly with Arsene Wenger. As soon as you get over 30, it becomes an issue.

The big question is whether Sagna, one of the best right backs in the Premier League, should be given a new long term contract. Arsenal have offered Sagna a new two year contract. Sagna wants three years as it is probably going to be the last big deal of his career.

In my opinion, Sagna is worth that three year contract. But, down the years, Wenger has shied away from giving 30-somethings long-term deals. Even the great Dennis Bergkamp had to go year by year in the latter stages of his career.

It was also the case for William Gallas and defensive veterans before him. In recent seasons, Wenger has softened his stance a little. He seems willing to bend and give defenders two years rather than just one.

But now comes another test. Sagna wants three years, knows he can get that elsewhere and is seriously tempted to leave the club. Galatasaray, clubs in the Middle East, Paris Saint Germain and Monaco are all interested in him and would be willing to give him a good contract.

Sagna has been fiercely loyal and consistent for Arsenal. When big clubs have come calling for other players, they left. The likes of Robin van Persie, Kolo Toure and Samir Nasri. Sagna had advances from Manchester City, but stayed put.

Sagna was overlooked for the captaincy, has been on similar wages throughout his Arsenal career and wants one last big deal. He has been excellent this season -- getting forward, defending well, showing a great level of consistency and also proving that the past couple of years and a few injuries are behind him.

The French defender has shown loyalty to Arsenal and now, in my view, it is time they repaid that loyalty.

Also, if the decision comes down to just finances, then how much it would cost to purchase a quality replacement, give him big wages and hope he can anywhere near as good as Sagna.

But if you do the math then Sagna -- even on a three year deal -- would be much better value than a big money replacement. Indeed, you won’t find a more loyal, committed player -- that, in itself, deserves to be rewarded.

So while Wenger and the money men work out the latest offer as they negotiate again, I hope they see good sense. Three more years.
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Post by: Peong on February 06, 2014, 02:07:00 PM
So nobody address the Kim Kallstrom transfer?  Worst transfer of the window!!!
Wenger has to be a little bit crazy.
Wenger bawl Kallstrom is cover for Ramsey and Wilshere and whoever is injured now.
Only for the public to find out that Kallstrom is unavailable for around 6 weeks due to an injury that Arsenal knew about!
 :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Post by: doc on February 06, 2014, 02:53:33 PM
So nobody address the Kim Kallstrom transfer?  Worst transfer of the window!!!
Wenger has to be a little bit crazy.
Wenger bawl Kallstrom is cover for Ramsey and Wilshere and whoever is injured now.
Only for the public to find out that Kallstrom is unavailable for around 6 weeks due to an injury that Arsenal knew about!
 :rotfl: :rotfl:
Absolute genius... too bad it is beyond you!  ;D  ;D
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 06, 2014, 04:02:56 PM
So nobody address the Kim Kallstrom transfer?  Worst transfer of the window!!!
Wenger has to be a little bit crazy.
Wenger bawl Kallstrom is cover for Ramsey and Wilshere and whoever is injured now.
Only for the public to find out that Kallstrom is unavailable for around 6 weeks due to an injury that Arsenal knew about!
 :rotfl: :rotfl:

Didn't Wenger explain this in an interview already? Twice? *shrug*
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 06, 2014, 04:07:57 PM
Arsenal should give Bacary Sagna a new three-year deal (http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/arsenal/id/3336?cc=5901)



It is an age which seems to set alarm bells ringing at Arsenal and particularly with Arsene Wenger. As soon as you get over 30, it becomes an issue.

The big question is whether Sagna, one of the best right backs in the Premier League, should be given a new long term contract. Arsenal have offered Sagna a new two year contract. Sagna wants three years as it is probably going to be the last big deal of his career.

In my opinion, Sagna is worth that three year contract. But, down the years, Wenger has shied away from giving 30-somethings long-term deals. Even the great Dennis Bergkamp had to go year by year in the latter stages of his career.

It was also the case for William Gallas and defensive veterans before him. In recent seasons, Wenger has softened his stance a little. He seems willing to bend and give defenders two years rather than just one.

But now comes another test. Sagna wants three years, knows he can get that elsewhere and is seriously tempted to leave the club. Galatasaray, clubs in the Middle East, Paris Saint Germain and Monaco are all interested in him and would be willing to give him a good contract.

Sagna has been fiercely loyal and consistent for Arsenal. When big clubs have come calling for other players, they left. The likes of Robin van Persie, Kolo Toure and Samir Nasri. Sagna had advances from Manchester City, but stayed put.

Sagna was overlooked for the captaincy, has been on similar wages throughout his Arsenal career and wants one last big deal. He has been excellent this season -- getting forward, defending well, showing a great level of consistency and also proving that the past couple of years and a few injuries are behind him.

The French defender has shown loyalty to Arsenal and now, in my view, it is time they repaid that loyalty.

Also, if the decision comes down to just finances, then how much it would cost to purchase a quality replacement, give him big wages and hope he can anywhere near as good as Sagna.

But if you do the math then Sagna -- even on a three year deal -- would be much better value than a big money replacement. Indeed, you won’t find a more loyal, committed player -- that, in itself, deserves to be rewarded.

So while Wenger and the money men work out the latest offer as they negotiate again, I hope they see good sense. Three more years.

Why don't they also say Wenger has shown loyalty to Sagna and he should sign the new offer? Loyalty is a 2 way street.

I like Sagna but if he starts to deteriorate physically then he could end up being a real liability. Last few seasons he was the only world class defender at Arsenal but he isn't irreplaceable. A 2 season deal is fair. Probably pay him more but 3 seasons for a 31 year old fullback is a big risk. Look how fast Maicon disappear into the wilderness.
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Post by: Bitter on February 08, 2014, 07:09:04 AM
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Post by: lefty on February 08, 2014, 08:35:19 AM
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jus because
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Post by: lefty on February 08, 2014, 09:03:17 AM
...and thus ends Arsenal's run at the top.

...and thus resumes Arsenal's run at the top! Thanks Chel$ki!

keep it warm for we..........alyuh have to move jus now

 :rotfl:

Whatever you say boss!

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Post by: elan on February 08, 2014, 10:55:03 AM
Yuh cyah be ah big team and getting blow out 2 and 3 times a season.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 08, 2014, 11:31:12 AM
That is by far the worst Arsenal performance I have seen since the 4-0 at Milan. The amazing thing is, Szczesny was Arsenal's best player today. Defence hang him out to dry today and he saved the shots he could. Oh well. Pick yourselves up. Still plenty points to play for. I think we will have to beat Chelsea and City now though.
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Post by: elan on February 08, 2014, 12:00:45 PM
That is by far the worst Arsenal performance I have seen since the 4-0 at Milan. The amazing thing is, Szczesny was Arsenal's best player today. Defence hang him out to dry today and he saved the shots he could. Oh well. Pick yourselves up. Still plenty points to play for. I think we will have to beat Chelsea and City now though.

 :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 08, 2014, 12:18:11 PM
That is by far the worst Arsenal performance I have seen since the 4-0 at Milan. The amazing thing is, Szczesny was Arsenal's best player today. Defence hang him out to dry today and he saved the shots he could. Oh well. Pick yourselves up. Still plenty points to play for. I think we will have to beat Chelsea and City now though.

 :rotfl: :rotfl:
Keep laughing. We get licks today but doh feel it cyah happen.
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Post by: asylumseeker on February 08, 2014, 01:18:31 PM
That is by far the worst Arsenal performance I have seen since the 4-0 at Milan. The amazing thing is, Szczesny was Arsenal's best player today. Defence hang him out to dry today and he saved the shots he could. Oh well. Pick yourselves up. Still plenty points to play for. I think we will have to beat Chelsea and City now though.

 :rotfl: :rotfl:
Keep laughing. We get licks today but doh feel it cyah happen.

It could happen but probably not this season. Improbable?! With specific respect to City especially.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 08, 2014, 02:32:06 PM
That is by far the worst Arsenal performance I have seen since the 4-0 at Milan. The amazing thing is, Szczesny was Arsenal's best player today. Defence hang him out to dry today and he saved the shots he could. Oh well. Pick yourselves up. Still plenty points to play for. I think we will have to beat Chelsea and City now though.

 :rotfl: :rotfl:
Keep laughing. We get licks today but doh feel it cyah happen.

It could happen but probably not this season. Improbable?! With specific respect to City especially.

We have to be smarter about it. Play on the break in big games. Not push hard, especially at the start of the match. We only a point out of first. City will be coming to Emirates too. They are a totally different side from the juggernaut at home. Chelsea will be favourites at Stamford Bridge in March but all of the top 3 have serious flaws so there's still all to play for. All of Arsenal's remaining matches are quite winnable. Just have to handle their business.
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Post by: lefty on February 08, 2014, 03:30:06 PM
That is by far the worst Arsenal performance I have seen since the 4-0 at Milan. The amazing thing is, Szczesny was Arsenal's best player today. Defence hang him out to dry today and he saved the shots he could. Oh well. Pick yourselves up. Still plenty points to play for. I think we will have to beat Chelsea and City now though.

 :rotfl: :rotfl:
Keep laughing. We get licks today but doh feel it cyah happen.

It could happen but probably not this season. Improbable?! With specific respect to City especially.

We have to be smarter about it. Play on the break in big games. Not push hard, especially at the start of the match. We only a point out of first. City will be coming to Emirates too. They are a totally different side from the juggernaut at home. Chelsea will be favourites at Stamford Bridge in March but all of the top 3 have serious flaws so there's still all to play for. All of Arsenal's remaining matches are quite winnable. Just have to handle their business.

if they continue to loose the "big games" that title gone.....to quote bitter alyuh getting bull by d other "big teams" ,dat cant be good...........the trend has been do well in d "big games", win the league...........how many of the those have u won.
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Post by: Peong on February 08, 2014, 05:51:54 PM
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Post by: Peong on February 08, 2014, 05:55:19 PM
So nobody address the Kim Kallstrom transfer?  Worst transfer of the window!!!
Wenger has to be a little bit crazy.
Wenger bawl Kallstrom is cover for Ramsey and Wilshere and whoever is injured now.
Only for the public to find out that Kallstrom is unavailable for around 6 weeks due to an injury that Arsenal knew about!
 :rotfl: :rotfl:

Didn't Wenger explain this in an interview already? Twice? *shrug*

I mean nobody weighed in on this thread. Yes Wenger gave an explanation, not a good one but he did give it.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 08, 2014, 06:32:12 PM
That is by far the worst Arsenal performance I have seen since the 4-0 at Milan. The amazing thing is, Szczesny was Arsenal's best player today. Defence hang him out to dry today and he saved the shots he could. Oh well. Pick yourselves up. Still plenty points to play for. I think we will have to beat Chelsea and City now though.

 :rotfl: :rotfl:
Keep laughing. We get licks today but doh feel it cyah happen.

It could happen but probably not this season. Improbable?! With specific respect to City especially.

We have to be smarter about it. Play on the break in big games. Not push hard, especially at the start of the match. We only a point out of first. City will be coming to Emirates too. They are a totally different side from the juggernaut at home. Chelsea will be favourites at Stamford Bridge in March but all of the top 3 have serious flaws so there's still all to play for. All of Arsenal's remaining matches are quite winnable. Just have to handle their business.

if they continue to loose the "big games" that title gone.....to quote bitter alyuh getting bull by d other "big teams" ,dat cant be good...........the trend has been do well in d "big games", win the league...........how many of the those have u won.

We were top after losing to United and City in first half of the season. None of the other big teams is consistent enough for the big games to make the difference.
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Post by: lefty on February 08, 2014, 06:45:15 PM

We were top after losing to United and City in first half of the season. None of the other big teams is consistent enough for the big games to make the difference.

might well be...but chelsea has seen a massive improvement in form we could pull away even man city might ketch back deyself
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 09, 2014, 09:32:47 AM

We were top after losing to United and City in first half of the season. None of the other big teams is consistent enough for the big games to make the difference.

might well be...but chelsea has seen a massive improvement in form we could pull away even man city might ketch back deyself

True. But so can Arsenal. After each of their 3 previous defeats they went on long runs of good performance.
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Post by: lefty on February 09, 2014, 09:43:27 AM

True. But so can Arsenal. After each of their 3 previous defeats they went on long runs of good performance.

noted..........still tink alyuh done peak an' on d declining..........d lack of quality signings to backup ozil an dem ain't go help either
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Post by: elan on February 09, 2014, 10:55:26 AM
That is by far the worst Arsenal performance I have seen since the 4-0 at Milan. The amazing thing is, Szczesny was Arsenal's best player today. Defence hang him out to dry today and he saved the shots he could. Oh well. Pick yourselves up. Still plenty points to play for. I think we will have to beat Chelsea and City now though.

 :rotfl: :rotfl:
Keep laughing. We get licks today but doh feel it cyah happen.

It could happen but probably not this season. Improbable?! With specific respect to City especially.

We have to be smarter about it. Play on the break in big games. Not push hard, especially at the start of the match. We only a point out of first. City will be coming to Emirates too. They are a totally different side from the juggernaut at home. Chelsea will be favourites at Stamford Bridge in March but all of the top 3 have serious flaws so there's still all to play for. All of Arsenal's remaining matches are quite winnable. Just have to handle their business.

if they continue to loose the "big games" that title gone.....to quote bitter alyuh getting bull by d other "big teams" ,dat cant be good...........the trend has been do well in d "big games", win the league...........how many of the those have u won.

We were top after losing to United and City in first half of the season. None of the other big teams is consistent enough for the big games to make the difference.

Chelsea has Beaten Man City twice, tied Arsenal, tied Man United, beat Man United and beat Liverpool. We have Arsenal at the Bridge and with our result at home it does not look to good for alyuh getting 3 points. Then we have Liverpool at Anfield, well that is up in the air right now.

So what were you saying about being inconsistent.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 09, 2014, 11:07:26 AM
That is by far the worst Arsenal performance I have seen since the 4-0 at Milan. The amazing thing is, Szczesny was Arsenal's best player today. Defence hang him out to dry today and he saved the shots he could. Oh well. Pick yourselves up. Still plenty points to play for. I think we will have to beat Chelsea and City now though.

 :rotfl: :rotfl:
Keep laughing. We get licks today but doh feel it cyah happen.

It could happen but probably not this season. Improbable?! With specific respect to City especially.

We have to be smarter about it. Play on the break in big games. Not push hard, especially at the start of the match. We only a point out of first. City will be coming to Emirates too. They are a totally different side from the juggernaut at home. Chelsea will be favourites at Stamford Bridge in March but all of the top 3 have serious flaws so there's still all to play for. All of Arsenal's remaining matches are quite winnable. Just have to handle their business.

if they continue to loose the "big games" that title gone.....to quote bitter alyuh getting bull by d other "big teams" ,dat cant be good...........the trend has been do well in d "big games", win the league...........how many of the those have u won.

We were top after losing to United and City in first half of the season. None of the other big teams is consistent enough for the big games to make the difference.

Chelsea has Beaten Man City twice, tied Arsenal, tied Man United, beat Man United and beat Liverpool. We have Arsenal at the Bridge and with our result at home it does not look to good for alyuh getting 3 points. Then we have Liverpool at Anfield, well that is up in the air right now.

So what were you saying about being inconsistent.
Consistent means against the smaller sides too. Drawing West Ham, losing to Stoke and Newcastle. I'm saying unless they improve their consistency in the league, the big games won't make much difference. Who knows, they have been on a run recently. If it continues they will make it. If it doesn't they won't. Plenty football left to play. Arsenal have struggled in big games but have been very efficient with weaker sides since the opening day loss to Villa. That's why they have been at or near the top most of the season.
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Post by: elan on February 09, 2014, 05:10:10 PM
The mid week games this week will make a huge difference.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 09, 2014, 05:18:14 PM
The mid week games this week will make a huge difference.
Indeed. Arsenal has to respond against United. 3 points are a must. This title race is a dogfight.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 10, 2014, 01:53:37 PM
"Maybe the teams not in the top four will be very influential in the league," he said.

"Normally, people are pushed to say Chelsea against Arsenal, or Arsenal against City, or Liverpool against City. These are the matches that decide things. But maybe they aren't. In other leagues, it is like that. Madrid v Barcelona decides the title. Benfica v Porto decides the title. It's not the same situation here. The title is decided match after match. Every game is important. If we don't win tomorrow, it's not just about the title contenders to jump to the leadership again. It's also about Tottenham to win, Everton to win, and closing also the gap. At this moment, every point is important."

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11661/9160378/jose-mourinho-answers-manuel-pellegrinis-questions-on-january-spending (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11661/9160378/jose-mourinho-answers-manuel-pellegrinis-questions-on-january-spending)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 12, 2014, 09:28:15 AM
Time to take back our top spot fellas! Don't screw this up!
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Post by: elan on February 12, 2014, 10:18:37 AM
let's see y'all response. Don't forget Man United was wounded over the weekend too.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 12, 2014, 10:56:48 AM
let's see y'all response. Don't forget Man United was wounded over the weekend too.

Yeah. This is a tough game, regardless of whether United is struggling, they have not become a bad team overnight. They still have some top class attackers who can hurt anybody. But anything less than an Arsenal win will be very disappointing.
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Post by: ckhan on February 12, 2014, 12:03:11 PM
Looking fwd to 3 points in the bag; we have to respond and announce we are for real!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 12, 2014, 12:15:53 PM
Looking fwd to 3 points in the bag; we have to respond and announce we are for real!

Amen!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 12, 2014, 03:47:21 PM
Steups. Giroud really pop down today. We shoulda score bout 3 today. Real frustrating.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: lefty on February 12, 2014, 03:50:12 PM
take one for low
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Post by: ckhan on February 12, 2014, 06:08:51 PM
Two points dropped!! I don't get it with Wenger. Giroud needs help, Ozil is drained, and the game plan is to predictable for opposing teams. This side is beyond belief!!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 12, 2014, 07:50:31 PM
Two points dropped!! I don't get it with Wenger. Giroud needs help, Ozil is drained, and the game plan is to predictable for opposing teams. This side is beyond belief!!

I don't think Wenger's plan didn't work. Arsenal had enough chances to win the game. The players just didn't take their chances. Giroud continues to frustrate in the big games. The only UCL contending sides he seems to be able to score against are Sp*rs and Liverpool.
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Post by: elan on February 12, 2014, 07:58:12 PM
Hey, that was a blatant PK when Vidic push your man to the ground. I am convince it would have been a goal scoring opportunity if he was not infringe on.
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Post by: doc on February 12, 2014, 08:04:48 PM
Two points dropped!! I don't get it with Wenger. Giroud needs help, Ozil is drained, and the game plan is to predictable for opposing teams. This side is beyond belief!!
1 + 1 = 2 is arithmetic.... maths is maths, english is english, this is football! ;D
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 12, 2014, 08:57:12 PM
Hey, that was a blatant PK when Vidic push your man to the ground. I am convince it would have been a goal scoring opportunity if he was not infringe on.
I thought so but I wasn't sure the ref could see it. Arsenal missed enough chances to win the game so I not going to complain about a possible penalty.
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Post by: Bitter on February 16, 2014, 12:04:12 PM
Since Sir Alex gone, Howard Webb looking for a new wuk?

Stone penalty against Suarez. No call!

Arsene Wenger cheap, instead of buying Webb, he will pick up 2 refs from the French 2nd division.

Good game though.
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Post by: Bakes on February 16, 2014, 01:27:06 PM
Just watched the game... disappointed with the result.  We just weren't very clinical today.  Henderson probably needed the rest, but without his running Arsenal had an easier time clogging the challenge. Not a good game for Webb... in addition to the many 50-50 calls to go Arsenal's way, mind-boggling how that was not a second penalty on Oxlade-Chamberlain.
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Post by: Dinner Mints on February 16, 2014, 04:05:45 PM
mind-boggling how that was not a second penalty on Oxlade-Chamberlain.
Glad he didn't call it, but that was a straight choke job. He ain't have the guts to call two penalties. He very well see it.
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Post by: elan on February 16, 2014, 04:46:07 PM
See Giroud under some pressure (http://blog.foxsoccer.com/post/76858809876/olivier-cheatrou-gunners-star-admits-to-affair-with)
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Post by: grimm01 on February 16, 2014, 05:41:15 PM
Just watched the game... disappointed with the result.  We just weren't very clinical today.  Henderson probably needed the rest, but without his running Arsenal had an easier time clogging the challenge. Not a good game for Webb... in addition to the many 50-50 calls to go Arsenal's way, mind-boggling how that was not a second penalty on Oxlade-Chamberlain.

Doh forget the second yellow Stevie G shoulda get for cleaning up Ox.

It wasn't pretty but I go take the lift for the team going into the Bayern game on Wednesday.

As for Giroud... he get ketch like a clown there, in the papers in he jockey shorts for the world to see. That smallie take some pr!ck, a photo and get paid while Giroud grovelling to he wife and Wenger on Twitter. He shoulda link up Shaq for some of his pros...
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Post by: palos on February 16, 2014, 05:47:30 PM
As for Giroud... he get ketch like a clown there, in the papers in he jockey shorts for the world to see. That smallie take some pr!ck, a photo and get paid while Giroud grovelling to he wife and Wenger on Twitter. He shoulda link up Shaq for some of his pros...
As somebody say....yuh doh pay dem to come.  Yuh does pay dem to leave.

Giroud eh de first....and he eh go be de last.

Is not like he do like Ryan Giggs and bull he brother wife

Or John Terry and bullin he Chelsea and England teammate wife
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Post by: Bakes on February 16, 2014, 06:33:57 PM
Doh forget the second yellow Stevie G shoulda get for cleaning up Ox.


You can't be serious mentioning that.  I would gladly trade a penalty for a red card on Gerrard with 15 minutes to play.  I like our chances defending for the last 15 minutes... and if Arsenal had scored then so be it, but in no way does not showing him a card (just as he didn't card Podolski for chopping down Flanagan in the first half) justify swallowing his whistle on a clear stonewall penalty.
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Post by: grimm01 on February 16, 2014, 07:44:01 PM
Doh forget the second yellow Stevie G shoulda get for cleaning up Ox.


You can't be serious mentioning that.  I would gladly trade a penalty for a red card on Gerrard with 15 minutes to play.  I like our chances defending for the last 15 minutes... and if Arsenal had scored then so be it, but in no way does not showing him a card (just as he didn't card Podolski for chopping down Flanagan in the first half) justify swallowing his whistle on a clear stonewall penalty.

Wasn't justifying the missed penalty call, he had a real brain fart there. I was pointing out another instance of the inconsistent performance from one of England's "best" referees.
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Post by: Bakes on February 16, 2014, 08:06:45 PM
Wasn't justifying the missed penalty call, he had a real brain fart there. I was pointing out another instance of the inconsistent performance from one of England's "best" referees.

I got you  :beermug:
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 16, 2014, 10:45:11 PM
Battling performance from the Gunners. Pool missed some good chances and really had a solid penalty denied for Ox's foul on Suarez. Of course Gerrard had enough fouls to be sent off twice so it evens out. Nice to see the Arsenal grinding out wins like this for a change.
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Post by: Bakes on February 17, 2014, 01:53:41 PM
Battling performance from the Gunners. Pool missed some good chances and really had a solid penalty denied for Ox's foul on Suarez. Of course Gerrard had enough fouls to be sent off twice so it evens out. Nice to see the Arsenal grinding out wins like this for a change.

Could always count on you to come with some excuse/b.s. justification in Arsenal's favor.  You seriously arguing that a red card denied "evens out" a penalty denied?  That doesn't even make sense.  Podolski had a cynical two-footed tackle on Flanagan from behind, with no attempt whatsoever to play the ball.  He was mad that in his mind he was just fouled 5 feet away and petulantly took it out on Flanagan.  Two-footed tackle from behind is a straight red... he get a yellow.  That doh even it out?  What about the mad man tackles that Flamini was pelting... yet he only get a yellow for taking out Gerrard on a contested head ball... that doh even out?  And what about Monreal raking down the back of Allen's achilles... and standing on the back of the man ankle.  He only get a yellow for that... none of that "evens out"?  I refuse to take you seriously.  Enjoy de win Webb give allyuh, but spare we de bullshit please.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 17, 2014, 03:51:12 PM
Battling performance from the Gunners. Pool missed some good chances and really had a solid penalty denied for Ox's foul on Suarez. Of course Gerrard had enough fouls to be sent off twice so it evens out. Nice to see the Arsenal grinding out wins like this for a change.

Could always count on you to come with some excuse/b.s. justification in Arsenal's favor.  You seriously arguing that a red card denied "evens out" a penalty denied?  That doesn't even make sense.  Podolski had a cynical two-footed tackle on Flanagan from behind, with no attempt whatsoever to play the ball.  He was mad that in his mind he was just fouled 5 feet away and petulantly took it out on Flanagan.  Two-footed tackle from behind is a straight red... he get a yellow.  That doh even it out?  What about the mad man tackles that Flamini was pelting... yet he only get a yellow for taking out Gerrard on a contested head ball... that doh even out?  And what about Monreal raking down the back of Allen's achilles... and standing on the back of the man ankle.  He only get a yellow for that... none of that "evens out"?  I refuse to take you seriously.  Enjoy de win Webb give allyuh, but spare we de bullshit please.

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
If you refuse to take me seriously, why bother answering? Take your hypocritical infantile petulance out on somebody who gives a flying f*ck. You are so constantly full of nonsense and ad hominem attacks I stopped considering you worthy of reasoned debate ages ago.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 17, 2014, 03:57:50 PM
Any thoughts on Sanogo's performance?
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Post by: doc on February 17, 2014, 05:14:29 PM
Battling performance from the Gunners. Pool missed some good chances and really had a solid penalty denied for Ox's foul on Suarez. Of course Gerrard had enough fouls to be sent off twice so it evens out. Nice to see the Arsenal grinding out wins like this for a change.

Could always count on you to come with some excuse/b.s. justification in Arsenal's favor.  You seriously arguing that a red card denied "evens out" a penalty denied?  That doesn't even make sense.  Podolski had a cynical two-footed tackle on Flanagan from behind, with no attempt whatsoever to play the ball.  He was mad that in his mind he was just fouled 5 feet away and petulantly took it out on Flanagan.  Two-footed tackle from behind is a straight red... he get a yellow.  That doh even it out?  What about the mad man tackles that Flamini was pelting... yet he only get a yellow for taking out Gerrard on a contested head ball... that doh even out?  And what about Monreal raking down the back of Allen's achilles... and standing on the back of the man ankle.  He only get a yellow for that... none of that "evens out"?  I refuse to take you seriously.  Enjoy de win Webb give allyuh, but spare we de bullshit please.

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
If you refuse to take me seriously, why bother answering? Take your hypocritical infantile petulance out on somebody who gives a flying f*ck. You are so constantly full of nonsense and ad hominem attacks I stopped considering you worthy of reasoned debate ages ago.
Bakes, yuh like a cry baby... I remember being called that when worse treatment were meted out to our players.... We due some luck, and it could be karma ;D  ;D
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 17, 2014, 07:12:11 PM
Battling performance from the Gunners. Pool missed some good chances and really had a solid penalty denied for Ox's foul on Suarez. Of course Gerrard had enough fouls to be sent off twice so it evens out. Nice to see the Arsenal grinding out wins like this for a change.

Could always count on you to come with some excuse/b.s. justification in Arsenal's favor.  You seriously arguing that a red card denied "evens out" a penalty denied?  That doesn't even make sense.  Podolski had a cynical two-footed tackle on Flanagan from behind, with no attempt whatsoever to play the ball.  He was mad that in his mind he was just fouled 5 feet away and petulantly took it out on Flanagan.  Two-footed tackle from behind is a straight red... he get a yellow.  That doh even it out?  What about the mad man tackles that Flamini was pelting... yet he only get a yellow for taking out Gerrard on a contested head ball... that doh even out?  And what about Monreal raking down the back of Allen's achilles... and standing on the back of the man ankle.  He only get a yellow for that... none of that "evens out"?  I refuse to take you seriously.  Enjoy de win Webb give allyuh, but spare we de bullshit please.

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
If you refuse to take me seriously, why bother answering? Take your hypocritical infantile petulance out on somebody who gives a flying f*ck. You are so constantly full of nonsense and ad hominem attacks I stopped considering you worthy of reasoned debate ages ago.
Bakes, yuh like a cry baby... I remember being called that when worse treatment were meted out to our players.... We due some luck, and it could be karma ;D  ;D
Don't encourage him. We all know how he does get on.
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Post by: asylumseeker on February 17, 2014, 07:38:39 PM
Any thoughts on Sanogo's performance?

I thought he put in a good shift. Did well. Was insistent. Was involved in a pivotal moment. Let's see how he progresses? Too early to anoint him.
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Post by: Bakes on February 17, 2014, 08:36:15 PM
Bakes, yuh like a cry baby... I remember being called that when worse treatment were meted out to our players.... We due some luck, and it could be karma ;D  ;D

I never call you no 'cry baby' so I'm not sure what you referring to.  Further, nobody on this site could accuse me of being no crybaby, I usually address the game then move on. The sole exception was where I keep referring to a penalty that former ref Mike Riley give Chelsea against Liverpool to open the season in 2009, and that was done exclusively to rile up ah certain Chelsea fan, because like Pavlog dog he couldn't help heself. As for this, where I see bullshit like what this Danqueen- The Maccomere Man fella post, I will address it.  For all he hormonal histrionics about "ad hominems" you would note that I never cuss and I never call no name until right now.  Let that guide yuh accordingly.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 18, 2014, 12:05:55 AM
Any thoughts on Sanogo's performance?

I thought he put in a good shift. Did well. Was insistent. Was involved in a pivotal moment. Let's see how he progresses? Too early to anoint him.

Agreed. Somebody pointed out to me his touch real raw which I didn't notice at the time but was just interested in seeing how he did since I haven't seen much of him. Decent start though.
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Post by: Tenorsaw on February 18, 2014, 10:22:22 AM
'Pool looked the better team, but for once, finishing let us down.  Anyone notice that we looked like the home team?  Arsenal were on the back foot for most of the game.  How is Howard Webb considered one of the top-5 refs in the game, when he missed such patent calls with him being 3 yards away from the play?  It's like he has some sort of agenda against 'Pool, because his worst games always seem to coincide with when he refs a game involving 'Pool.
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Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on February 18, 2014, 11:16:16 AM
'Pool looked the better team, but for once, finishing let us down.  Anyone notice that we looked like the home team?  Arsenal were on the back foot for most of the game.  How is Howard Webb considered one of the top-5 refs in the game, when he missed such patent calls with him being 3 yards away from the play?  It's like he has some sort of agenda against 'Pool, because his worst games always seem to coincide with when he refs a game involving 'Pool.

He like to keep allyuh in check lol
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Post by: Bakes on February 18, 2014, 12:43:05 PM
'Pool looked the better team, but for once, finishing let us down.  Anyone notice that we looked like the home team?  Arsenal were on the back foot for most of the game.  How is Howard Webb considered one of the top-5 refs in the game, when he missed such patent calls with him being 3 yards away from the play?  It's like he has some sort of agenda against 'Pool, because his worst games always seem to coincide with when he refs a game involving 'Pool.

I waiting to hear what explanation he gives.  He showed restraint and lenience towards both teams, whether you fault him for that is anyone's guess.  To not give a stonewall penalty though is a completely different matter.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 18, 2014, 01:43:42 PM
FA Cup Quarter Final vs Everton set for March 8th.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 19, 2014, 10:50:50 AM
Big big game today fellas! We aren't favorites by any means but a conservative game plan could do us a world of good here. Arsenal for ever and ever! :challenge:
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Post by: Bitter on February 19, 2014, 11:01:02 AM
Big big game today fellas! We aren't favorites by any means but a conservative game plan could do us a world of good here. Arsenal for ever and ever! :challenge:

Cutass book
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 19, 2014, 11:03:02 AM
Big big game today fellas! We aren't favorites by any means but a conservative game plan could do us a world of good here. Arsenal for ever and ever! :challenge:

Cutass book

Haha! We go see. Like I say, we are not favourites.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 19, 2014, 11:04:16 AM
Since Sir Alex gone, Howard Webb looking for a new wuk?

Stone penalty against Suarez. No call!

Arsene Wenger cheap, instead of buying Webb, he will pick up 2 refs from the French 2nd division.

Good game though.

 :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 19, 2014, 01:12:08 PM

Arsenal:
Szczesny, Sagna, Koscielny, Mertesacker, Gibbs, Flamini, Wilshere, Ozil, Cazorla, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Sanogo

Subs: Fabianski, Monreal, Jenkinson, Rosicky, Gnabry, Podolski, Giroud

I really doh know what to say yes! A truly inexplicable decision Wenger!
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Post by: FF on February 19, 2014, 01:15:27 PM
Giroud on punishment for fornicating in the team hotel the night before a game
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 19, 2014, 01:19:29 PM
Giroud on punishment for fornicating in the team hotel the night before a game

LOL! See what horning does come to?
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Post by: Bitter on February 19, 2014, 01:55:32 PM
Tief decision by the ref dey.

and he misses!
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Post by: kaliman2006 on February 19, 2014, 01:58:03 PM
Tief decision by the ref dey.

and he misses!

Ozil did not look confident when taking the kick and I am not surprised he missed.

Ironically, Neur was already diving to his left before Ozil kicked the ball; all Ozil had to do was hit it into the right corner.
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Post by: Bitter on February 19, 2014, 02:20:45 PM
Monreal on for Gibbs...
He about to get baptize on that left side. Lahm, Goetze, Robben now...
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Post by: Bitter on February 19, 2014, 02:24:36 PM
Game done.
Let the cut-ass begin.
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Post by: grimm01 on February 19, 2014, 02:27:02 PM
Game done.
Let the cut-ass begin.

Not quite yet
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Post by: Bitter on February 19, 2014, 02:27:31 PM
Game done.
Let the cut-ass begin.

Not quite yet

Who woulda thunk that?
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Post by: Bitter on February 19, 2014, 02:28:16 PM
allyuh better park the bus
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Post by: Bakes on February 19, 2014, 02:34:13 PM
Having a hard time understanding why Wenger would put Ozil up for the penalty kick when he's clearly struggling for confidence.  I'm also a bit puzzled by the choice of a 21-year old Alaba for the Bayern penalty... but admittedly I don't watch them like that to know who their penalty takers are.

http://www.youtube.com/v/6jijkiAVHKg
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Post by: Bitter on February 19, 2014, 02:39:29 PM
Looking at the team sheet, the most likely takers were Carzorla and Ozil (mostly for experience)
Since Carzorla has already missed penalties, Ozil was up next.

Edit: Ozil is terrible at penalties.
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Post by: ckhan on February 19, 2014, 02:42:34 PM
Monreal selling guns!!! How you didn't pick up Robben is beyond me. Ozil looked like he didn't want to take it but he is the third choice (after Arteta and Giroud)...down a man and we still in it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Bitter on February 19, 2014, 02:59:18 PM
Bus crash.
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Post by: Bakes on February 19, 2014, 03:18:02 PM
Looking at the team sheet, the most likely takers were Carzorla and Ozil (mostly for experience)
Since Carzorla has already missed penalties, Ozil was up next.

Edit: Ozil is terrible at penalties.


I didn't see the miss in real-time but after seeing the replay and seeing Cazorla on the pitch, I was surprised he didn't take it. 
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Post by: Bakes on February 19, 2014, 03:19:15 PM
Monreal selling guns!!! How you didn't pick up Robben is beyond me. Ozil looked like he didn't want to take it but he is the third choice (after Arteta and Giroud)...down a man and we still in it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Since Gibbs went off, Robben, Goetze and Lamm almost getting in each other way... fuss they eager to run at Monreal.

EDIT:  Koszcielny with the same foul on Muller as Boateng on Ozil... no penalty, because unlike Ozil, Muller declined the invitation to dive.
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Post by: Bitter on February 19, 2014, 03:24:41 PM
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/br-cdn/temp_images/2014/02/19/2a4b9bbfa95cd80ecbcf674c943cbebc.gif)
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Post by: elan on February 19, 2014, 03:41:29 PM
stupid, stupid arsenal. Absolute tactical amateurism. Can't believe a tactician of Wenger stature fell for Bayern trojan horse for the goal that seal off the game.


Allianz Arena will run red on the return.
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Post by: ckhan on February 19, 2014, 03:42:24 PM
MMAAANNNNNN, same result as last yr. Maybe I was asking for too much to hold on to that slender 1-0 lead. Well, unto FA Cup and League. Our defense held up very well for the most part so I am hoping that it can be transferred to league performances.

BTW, that dive comment: I doh see the likes of Rooney and Suarez decline ANY invitation to dive either....its part of the game.
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Post by: elan on February 19, 2014, 03:44:26 PM
MMAAANNNNNN, same result as last yr. Maybe I was asking for too much to hold on to that slender 1-0 lead. Well, unto FA Cup and League. Our defense held up very well for the most part so I am hoping that it can be transferred to league performances.

BTW, that dive comment: I doh see the likes of Rooney and Suarez decline ANY invitation to dive either....its part of the game.

You have to dive go to the ground or else like Muller you won't get the call.
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Post by: Bitter on February 19, 2014, 03:47:25 PM
MMAAANNNNNN, same result as last yr. Maybe I was asking for too much to hold on to that slender 1-0 lead. Well, unto FA Cup and League. Our defense held up very well for the most part so I am hoping that it can be transferred to league performances.

BTW, that dive comment: I doh see the likes of Rooney and Suarez decline ANY invitation to dive either....its part of the game.

You have to dive go to the ground or else like Muller you won't get the call.

If I am tripped, do I not fall?
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Post by: Bakes on February 19, 2014, 04:02:30 PM
MMAAANNNNNN, same result as last yr. Maybe I was asking for too much to hold on to that slender 1-0 lead. Well, unto FA Cup and League. Our defense held up very well for the most part so I am hoping that it can be transferred to league performances.

BTW, that dive comment: I doh see the likes of Rooney and Suarez decline ANY invitation to dive either....its part of the game.

Well as was proved on Sunday... sometimes even when you don't dive and legitimately get clobbered over in the box, the ref still wouldn't give you the call.  Too bad Howard Webb didn't ref this game  Szczesny woulda stay in the game and Arsenal woulda have a goal kick.
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Post by: Bakes on February 19, 2014, 04:06:07 PM
If I am tripped, do I not fall?

First you have to be "tripped"... Ozil was not.  There was minimal contact as he tried to get past Boateng.  His next move was to immediately pick both feet up off the ground so as to ensure his body dropping faster.  His balance was never compromised... no trip.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 19, 2014, 08:07:36 PM
Tough luck Arsenal. A great start until Ozil penalty (we really need a new 3rd choice. This is the second time he has missed this season). After the red card it was just a matter of time. Was praying to hold out at 1-0 but not to be. Well done Fabianski.

Oh and Toni Kroos... :applause:
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 21, 2014, 03:02:00 PM
First "Deathrun" completed. Only serious disappointment is the PL loss to Liverpool although the draw with United was not ideal. Time to rack up some more points. Hope Everton has snapped out of their slump and Don Vito doesn't play us with badmind tomorrow. Chelsea and City have not shown enough consistency to pull away from us so every point counts.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 22, 2014, 04:21:38 PM
Nice win today. Hope Giroud is back in form now. With our 2 biggest goal threats injured we need him back to his best. Get well soon Rambo!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 25, 2014, 09:34:56 AM
http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/arsenal/id/3463?cc=3888 (http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/arsenal/id/3463?cc=3888)

Arsenal's title March
Posted by John Cross

This season's Premier League title race has developed into a war of attrition.

And even if the only direct title rival Arsenal have beaten this season has been Liverpool -- the Gunners have been beaten at Manchester City and held at home by Chelsea -- there has been few better teams at accumulating points.

Despite their poor record against the top sides, with just 11 games to go, Arsenal are second, one point off the top, and find themselves locked in a four way battle with Chelsea, City and Liverpool for the championship.

But after Saturday's trip to Stoke (no easy game either), they face what's being called as a nightmare run, which includes Tottenham away, Chelsea away, Manchester City at home and then Everton away.

That is a set of fixtures which should sort the men from the boys and, predictably, most pundits reckon it will sort out Arsenal too.

However, if you look at it another way, if the Gunners are still within four points of the top after that run finishes (which is well within their range) then they have a great chance of the title.

Their run-in to the end of the season is West Ham at home, Hull away, Newcastle and West Brom at home. Then also Swansea at home is to be arranged.

The point is that you don't have to beat your rivals to win the title. Arsenal have been very consistent against the lesser teams, putting them away week after week.

Last Saturday was a huge test against Sunderland after a gruelling and tiring week. The Champions League takes it out of you.

Yet they really put in a strong display, won 4-1 and boosted their confidence.

The reward was that Wenger gave the whole squad a couple of days off -- that's pretty unusual under Wenger -- to recharge their batteries.

Being realistic, Arsenal will be out of the Champions League, and only have the FA Cup to distract from the Premier League, but then that's only two more games if they can beat Everton in the quarterfinals.

Meanwhile, Chelsea are likely to overcome Galatasaray to stay in Europe. City have the FA Cup and another game to be rearranged because of the Capital One Cup final and it may be a fixture too far for them as they've already got another game to reorganise.

Liverpool have benefitted all season from not having European games as they look fresh each weekend.

The run-in will be vital. While the current Arsenal team might be new to all this, Wenger has been here many times before.

Wenger has the experience and a cool head and their run is favourable to say the least. They have more games at home, they have a nightmare March but a kind April and May.

Arsenal need to do what they've been doing all season. Stay within range, stay consistent and keep building up points.

Arsenal can win the title if they can just navigate that hard run. They've had difficult runs before but they've come through it. They can do it again.
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Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on February 25, 2014, 09:54:37 AM
Arsenal is dead meat!
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Post by: FF on February 25, 2014, 10:02:12 AM
All that article do is make me watch Liverpool a little keener.

Arsenal likely to fold up... and then Chelsea and Man C battling on all fronts... this will be interesting.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 25, 2014, 10:09:39 AM
Arsenal is dead meat!

Hahahaha! We go see. 11 games to go and we have been written off whole season, but we still here.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 25, 2014, 10:12:35 AM
All that article do is make me watch Liverpool a little keener.

Arsenal likely to fold up... and then Chelsea and Man C battling on all fronts... this will be interesting.

People writing off Arsenal whole season, yet they right in the mix still. Why would they be likely to fold up now?

Liverpool have a fantastic attack and a fantastic manager but with that defence, they not going anywhere. I think 4th is the best they can do this season. But if they make it, and they fix their back line, they could make a serious challenge next year.
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Post by: FF on February 25, 2014, 10:27:00 AM
All that article do is make me watch Liverpool a little keener.

Arsenal likely to fold up... and then Chelsea and Man C battling on all fronts... this will be interesting.

People writing off Arsenal whole season, yet they right in the mix still. Why would they be likely to fold up now?

Liverpool have a fantastic attack and a fantastic manager but with that defence, they not going anywhere. I think 4th is the best they can do this season. But if they make it, and they fix their back line, they could make a serious challenge next year.

Because they always do. I actually would like Arsenal to surprise and win it.
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Post by: lefty on February 25, 2014, 10:55:52 AM
All that article do is make me watch Liverpool a little keener.

Arsenal likely to fold up... and then Chelsea and Man C battling on all fronts... this will be interesting.

People writing off Arsenal whole season, yet they right in the mix still. Why would they be likely to fold up now?

Liverpool have a fantastic attack and a fantastic manager but with that defence, they not going anywhere. I think 4th is the best they can do this season. But if they make it, and they fix their back line, they could make a serious challenge next year.

Because they always do. I actually would like Arsenal to surprise and win it.
dey need to not lose the big games and as for chelsea, we very lucky to be top, veeeerrrrry lucky, we need strikers to start scoring and d team to click consistently
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 25, 2014, 11:11:07 AM
All that article do is make me watch Liverpool a little keener.

Arsenal likely to fold up... and then Chelsea and Man C battling on all fronts... this will be interesting.

People writing off Arsenal whole season, yet they right in the mix still. Why would they be likely to fold up now?

Liverpool have a fantastic attack and a fantastic manager but with that defence, they not going anywhere. I think 4th is the best they can do this season. But if they make it, and they fix their back line, they could make a serious challenge next year.

Because they always do. I actually would like Arsenal to surprise and win it.

They always do a lot of things that they haven't been this season. Signed big players, defended well, ground out results when not playing well. We will see. I don't think City and Chelsea are nearly as good as people seem to think. Nobody has been consistent in the league.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 02, 2014, 01:11:32 AM
While the penalty was very, very soft, Arsenal didn't do enough to win the game. A very disappointing attacking performance. Wenger got his starting team wrong today and Chamberlain came on too late to affect the scoreline. 9 games to go. Time to go on a winning run in the league.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 04, 2014, 03:13:29 PM
Interesting

http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1734832/liverpool-chief-john-w-henry-admits-luis-suarez-did-release-clause?cc=3888 (http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1734832/liverpool-chief-john-w-henry-admits-luis-suarez-did-release-clause?cc=3888)

Suarez did have release clause - Henry
March 2, 2014

Liverpool striker Luis Suarez did have a 40 million pound release clause in his contract last summer but decided to ignore it when Arsenal tried to buy him, principal owner John W Henry has revealed.

Arsenal had as many as three bids to buy Uruguay international Suarez rejected last summer, including an offer of 40,000,001 pounds submitted on July 23.

That bid was made in the apparent belief that it would trigger a release clause in Suarez’s contract and allow him to enter talks over a possible move to the Emirates Stadium.

At the time, Liverpool insisted they would not sell the forward at any price, and would only inform him of any offers of more than 40 million pounds.

Suarez -- who was under contract until 2016 at the time -- stated publicly last summer that he wanted to leave Anfield, but his club’s refusal to consider a sale resulted in him staying.

The 27-year-old, who is the Premier League’s leading scorer this season with 24 goals, went on to sign a contract extension in December, committing him to Liverpool until 2018. Neither Liverpool nor the player have stated if the new deal has a buy-out clause.

At the time, Henry took a swipe at Arsenal over their pursuit of the striker, tweeting "What do you think they're smoking over there at Emirates?" as news of the bid worth one pound over the reported threshold emerged.

Speaking at the MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference in Boston on Saturday, Henry said that Liverpool had been "forced" to sell Spain striker Fernando Torres to Chelsea for 50 million pounds in January 2011, but did not want to part company with Suarez.

"Luis Suarez is the top scorer in the English Premier League which is arguably the top soccer league in the world," Henry said.

"And he had a buy-out clause -- I don’t know what degree I should go into this - but he had a buy-out clause of 40 million pounds -- more than $60 million.

"So Arsenal, one of our prime rivals this year, they offered 40,000,001 pounds for him and triggered his buy-out clause.

"But what we’ve found over the years is that contracts don’t seem to mean a lot in England -- actually not in England, in world football. It doesn’t matter how long a player’s contract is, he can decide he’s leaving.

"We sold Fernando Torres for 50 million pounds. We didn’t want to sell but we were forced to.

"For the first time, we took the position that we weren’t selling.

"Since apparently these contracts don’t seem to hold, we took the position we’re just not selling and it’s been great for Luis, it’s been great for us, and what will happen at the end of year -- I think we’re going to make Champions League and we have a small chance of winning the Premier League this year.

"We have three gentlemen up front: Suarez, [Raheem] Sterling and [Daniel] Sturridge. Those three are young, and I think Luis and those three could be together for a long time."
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Post by: Bitter on March 08, 2014, 08:30:15 AM
I don't know which of those last 2 goals was better. Slick passing.
I'll give Sagna's pass the edge because of the situation.
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Post by: asylumseeker on March 08, 2014, 08:40:51 AM
Tough loss, Mr. Lawrence.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 09, 2014, 10:29:14 AM
Nicely done Gunners. Despatch both Merseyside clubs. Now for the winner of City v Wigan in the semifinal.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 09, 2014, 04:33:00 PM
Nicely done Wigan. But they won't be as easy as one might think.
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Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on March 10, 2014, 11:14:05 AM
Dansteel, yuh still feel allyuh winnin de league?  Still fear City more than us?  At least allyuh should be front runners fuh de cup semifinal against Wigan
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 10, 2014, 06:58:25 PM
Dansteel, yuh still feel allyuh winnin de league?  Still fear City more than us?  At least allyuh should be front runners fuh de cup semifinal against Wigan

City going through a slump. They will be back. So will we. You talking like a 7 point lead having played more games is insurmountable with 9-10 games to go. We still have to play allyuh also. Ramsey is back this weekend. Counting egg in fowl bottom is always a risky business.

And yes I still fraid City more than Chelsea. They have plenty more margin for error and a killer front line. Chelsea has had a run of extremely good luck.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 11, 2014, 01:45:20 PM
Bayern Munich: Neuer, Lahm, Martinez, Dante Alaba; Schweinsteiger, Thiago; Robben Gotze, Ribery; Mandzukic
Subs: Starke, van Buyten, Rafinha, Boateng, Muller, Kroos, Pizzaro

Arsenal: Fabianski, Sagna, Mertesacker, Koscielny, Vermaelen; Arteta, Oxlade-Chamberlain; Cazorla, Ozil, Podolski; Giroud.
Subs: Viviano, Flamini, Gnabry, Jenkinson, Rosicky, Hayden

Wenger going for it yes! If you going down, go down fighting. Well done Prof.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 11, 2014, 03:34:17 PM
Better side is progressing. It's a shame we didn't give ourself a fighting chance with that red card in London.

Bayern yes! Like Pep import the diving from Barca. Allyuh too good to be so ridiculous!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 11, 2014, 03:37:20 PM
Bayern really shameless yes! Robben "win" a penalty now. Saved by Fabianski.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 11, 2014, 03:38:47 PM
Too much to do. Shame about the first leg. Buy a big striker and come back next season Arsenal.
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Post by: elan on March 11, 2014, 09:15:22 PM
So everytime a player goes down now is diving? in the first half there was 2 instances that Bayern players should have gone down and they did not and the ref never called it. That dive in the 2nd by Robben was good and should have gotten a PK as the defender made contact from behind twice.

Why not give back your equalizer?
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 12, 2014, 07:53:03 AM
So everytime a player goes down now is diving? in the first half there was 2 instances that Bayern players should have gone down and they did not and the ref never called it. That dive in the 2nd by Robben was good and should have gotten a PK as the defender made contact from behind twice.

Why not give back your equalizer?

I didn't say "every time a player goes down is diving". I said Bayern dove constantly. And Robben's pk was contact, not a foul. He milked the contact and fell over. Conned the referee. Justice was served by Fabianski's save.

Podolski also fouled Lahm, I will give you that. But that was ONE instance where Arsenal got away, never mind the litany of dives by Robben especially, with best supporting actress nominations for Ribery and Martinez. Not to mention the number to times Ox was hacked down by Bayern players.

Anyway, the team which deserved to win the tie did. But they were disgusting and cheated constantly.
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Post by: asylumseeker on March 12, 2014, 09:16:03 AM
So everytime a player goes down now is diving? in the first half there was 2 instances that Bayern players should have gone down and they did not and the ref never called it. That dive in the 2nd by Robben was good and should have gotten a PK as the defender made contact from behind twice.

Why not give back your equalizer?

I didn't say "every time a player goes down is diving". I said Bayern dove constantly. And Robben's pk was contact, not a foul. He milked the contact and fell over. Conned the referee. Justice was served by Fabianski's save.

Podolski also fouled Lahm, I will give you that. But that was ONE instance where Arsenal got away, never mind the litany of dives by Robben especially, with best supporting actress nominations for Ribery and Martinez. Not to mention the number to times Ox was hacked down by Bayern players.

Anyway, the team which deserved to win the tie did. But they were disgusting and cheated constantly.

The Podolski-Lahm thing is deceptive. I think that call was accurate. My first impression was different but I think Lahm was relying on his experience to win that call, and he failed.

Bayern cheated?
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Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on March 12, 2014, 09:29:00 AM
Dansteel, yuh still feel allyuh winnin de league?  Still fear City more than us?  At least allyuh should be front runners fuh de cup semifinal against Wigan

City going through a slump. They will be back. So will we. You talking like a 7 point lead having played more games is insurmountable with 9-10 games to go. We still have to play allyuh also. Ramsey is back this weekend. Counting egg in fowl bottom is always a risky business.

And yes I still fraid City more than Chelsea. They have plenty more margin for error and a killer front line. Chelsea has had a run of extremely good luck.

This isn't about points bredrin, check the scenario.  City has three games to make up but because of how we've played they are under pressure to win all.  You all have four big guns in the league to face over the next 4 rounds.  Spurs will be pressing hard for a victory after losing to us and the undressing they received from the manager.  City will need to make sure not to slip so they looking for blood.  We will not be playing for a draw at home against you.  Everton has extra incentive after the thrashing in the cup tie.  So forget about the points and consider the scenario.  You would have to beat us and city in order to remain in the conversation and as it stands I honestly don see you beatin either.  So in the alternative you would need for Chelsea and City to have worse form than you over the next 4 rounds.  Highly unlikely.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 12, 2014, 10:03:29 AM
Dansteel, yuh still feel allyuh winnin de league?  Still fear City more than us?  At least allyuh should be front runners fuh de cup semifinal against Wigan

City going through a slump. They will be back. So will we. You talking like a 7 point lead having played more games is insurmountable with 9-10 games to go. We still have to play allyuh also. Ramsey is back this weekend. Counting egg in fowl bottom is always a risky business.

And yes I still fraid City more than Chelsea. They have plenty more margin for error and a killer front line. Chelsea has had a run of extremely good luck.

This isn't about points bredrin, check the scenario.  City has three games to make up but because of how we've played they are under pressure to win all.  You all have four big guns in the league to face over the next 4 rounds.  Spurs will be pressing hard for a victory after losing to us and the undressing they received from the manager.  City will need to make sure not to slip so they looking for blood.  We will not be playing for a draw at home against you.  Everton has extra incentive after the thrashing in the cup tie.  So forget about the points and consider the scenario.  You would have to beat us and city in order to remain in the conversation and as it stands I honestly don see you beatin either.  So in the alternative you would need for Chelsea and City to have worse form than you over the next 4 rounds.  Highly unlikely.

Actually it is exactly about points. How else does one win a league title? Arsenal can slip up in any of the games you mentioned, yes. But that's the same for any side. What you are saying is all conjecture.

We have some tough games in the next few weeks.No doubt. Let's see what happens.
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Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on March 12, 2014, 10:20:28 AM
Actually it is exactly about points. How else does one win a league title? Arsenal can slip up in any of the games you mentioned, yes. But that's the same for any side. What you are saying is all conjecture.

We have some tough games in the next few weeks.No doubt. Let's see what happens.

Yuh kinda shortsighted.  My question wasn't based on the gap total.  So whether 7, 4 or even 2 points I would still pose the same question given your upcoming schedule.  Conjecture yuh say?  Arsenal needs to beat Chelsea at home as well as win their game in hand so as to cut the gap to 1.  In the meantime Chelsea would need to amass less points than Arsenal down the stretch so that you can take the lead.  That is fact.  City would need to win all their games in hand and have Chelsea amass the same or less points as them down the stretch in order to win the league.  That is also a fact!  In order to win the league Arsenal will have to not only beat city but hope that city falters down the stretch while Arsenal enjor a great run of form. (Fact).  Spurs will want to win so that they maintain their CL hopes.  (Fact).  The manner that they lost and the managers words about their performance will serve as added motivation.  Conjecture or would that be logical reasoning?  Everton will want to get a victory.  (Fact).  Given Martinez style they won't be aiming for anything less than 3 points.  Again conjecture or logical reasoning?  You might need to familiarize yuhself with a dictionary and sharpen up yuh comprehension skills fella lol.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 12, 2014, 10:41:02 AM
Actually it is exactly about points. How else does one win a league title? Arsenal can slip up in any of the games you mentioned, yes. But that's the same for any side. What you are saying is all conjecture.

We have some tough games in the next few weeks.No doubt. Let's see what happens.

Yuh kinda shortsighted.  My question wasn't based on the gap total.  So whether 7, 4 or even 2 points I would still pose the same question given your upcoming schedule.  Conjecture yuh say?  Arsenal needs to beat Chelsea at home as well as win their game in hand so as to cut the gap to 1.  In the meantime Chelsea would need to amass less points than Arsenal down the stretch so that you can take the lead.  That is fact.  City would need to win all their games in hand and have Chelsea amass the same or less points as them down the stretch in order to win the league.  That is also a fact!  In order to win the league Arsenal will have to not only beat city but hope that city falters down the stretch while Arsenal enjor a great run of form. (Fact).  Spurs will want to win so that they maintain their CL hopes.  (Fact).  The manner that they lost and the managers words about their performance will serve as added motivation.  Conjecture or would that be logical reasoning?  Everton will want to get a victory.  (Fact).  Given Martinez style they won't be aiming for anything less than 3 points.  Again conjecture or logical reasoning?  You might need to familiarize yuhself with a dictionary and sharpen up yuh comprehension skills fella lol.

Wow! Well, aside from you disparaging my reading and comprehension skills because of your frustration at being unable to convince me, my point about conjecture was based on your assumption that those things cannot happen. I am well aware of the points totals. But if Arsenal are to lose to clearly inferior sides like Everton and Spurs, then you must accept the possibility that Chelsea and City can do the same. So to assume the "best case scenario" for yourself is, in fact, conjecture.

Anyway, as I said, we can just wait and see. I'm not really interested in you questioning my literacy and comprehension. So you can go talk to somebody else.
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Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on March 12, 2014, 11:09:53 AM
Wow! Well, aside from you disparaging my reading and comprehension skills because of your frustration at being unable to convince me, my point about conjecture was based on your assumption that those things cannot happen. I am well aware of the points totals. But if Arsenal are to lose to clearly inferior sides like Everton and Spurs, then you must accept the possibility that Chelsea and City can do the same. So to assume the "best case scenario" for yourself is, in fact, conjecture.

Anyway, as I said, we can just wait and see. I'm not really interested in you questioning my literacy and comprehension. So you can go talk to somebody else.

Frustrated?  What I have to be frustrated about?  Fella doh be emotional and just accept yuh talk shit nah lol.  Yuh say all what I say was conjecture so I elect to point out that yuh was wrong, doh beat up.  I didn't assume anything either so yuh battin 0 fuh 2 now.  Considering our record at home under JM, the strength of our squad and current run of form I am confident we bussin allyuh ass in Stamford Bridge.  No assumptions needed.  Anyway I accept yuh appology
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 12, 2014, 11:18:09 AM
Wow! Well, aside from you disparaging my reading and comprehension skills because of your frustration at being unable to convince me, my point about conjecture was based on your assumption that those things cannot happen. I am well aware of the points totals. But if Arsenal are to lose to clearly inferior sides like Everton and Spurs, then you must accept the possibility that Chelsea and City can do the same. So to assume the "best case scenario" for yourself is, in fact, conjecture.

Anyway, as I said, we can just wait and see. I'm not really interested in you questioning my literacy and comprehension. So you can go talk to somebody else.

Frustrated?  What I have to be frustrated about?  Fella doh be emotional and just accept yuh talk shit nah lol.  Yuh say all what I say was conjecture so I elect to point out that yuh was wrong, doh beat up.  I didn't assume anything either so yuh battin 0 fuh 2 now.  Considering our record at home under JM, the strength of our squad and current run of form I am confident we bussin allyuh ass in Stamford Bridge.  No assumptions needed.  Anyway I accept yuh appology

I accept your apology as well.
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Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on March 12, 2014, 11:20:34 AM
 :beermug: :D
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 12, 2014, 11:50:20 AM
So everytime a player goes down now is diving? in the first half there was 2 instances that Bayern players should have gone down and they did not and the ref never called it. That dive in the 2nd by Robben was good and should have gotten a PK as the defender made contact from behind twice.

Why not give back your equalizer?

I didn't say "every time a player goes down is diving". I said Bayern dove constantly. And Robben's pk was contact, not a foul. He milked the contact and fell over. Conned the referee. Justice was served by Fabianski's save.

Podolski also fouled Lahm, I will give you that. But that was ONE instance where Arsenal got away, never mind the litany of dives by Robben especially, with best supporting actress nominations for Ribery and Martinez. Not to mention the number to times Ox was hacked down by Bayern players.

Anyway, the team which deserved to win the tie did. But they were disgusting and cheated constantly.

The Podolski-Lahm thing is deceptive. I think that call was accurate. My first impression was different but I think Lahm was relying on his experience to win that call, and he failed.

Bayern cheated?

Diving is cheating as far as I am concerned. All the talk about it being the "referee's decision" is just rationalisation. People twisting words to avoid the (correct) perception that they are dishonest.

I actually buss out laughing when Lahm went down. It looked weaker than Robben's dive to win the penalty. From another angle it looked like a proper push.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 15, 2014, 01:28:42 PM
Thanks Villa! Blues just fall apart yes! Willian and Ramires sent off. Mourinho too. Time to take advantage Gunners!  :applause:
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Post by: elan on March 15, 2014, 01:31:32 PM
Never, they don't have the belly for it.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 15, 2014, 01:34:01 PM
Never, they don't have the belly for it.

Time will tell.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 15, 2014, 02:16:21 PM
:beermug: :D

 :beermug: :beermug: :beermug:
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Post by: Bitter on March 16, 2014, 10:02:32 AM
GO-FLICKIN-LAZO!!!!

 :notworthy:
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Post by: asylumseeker on March 16, 2014, 11:01:33 AM
GO-FLICKIN-LAZO!!!!

 :notworthy:

Ent.
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Post by: asylumseeker on March 16, 2014, 11:10:10 AM
(Second half: I wouldn't be surprised if Sandro does something to influence the game ... negatively).
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Post by: Bitter on March 16, 2014, 11:24:01 AM
The Ox should have put this game away.
Now is just wave after wave of Tottenham attacks.

I think is only a matter of time before spurs score.
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Post by: Bitter on March 16, 2014, 11:51:45 AM
Bale woulda put 2 on allyuh.

Tough defensive effort in the 2nd half though.
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Post by: Bitter on March 16, 2014, 12:22:41 PM
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 16, 2014, 03:08:07 PM
Fantastic goal by Rosicky! Absolutely fantastic. :notworthy:

Arsenal should have been 3-0 up by half time. Ox did everything right but the finishing. The fact that he didn't meant that they had to withstand severe pressure from Spurs in the 2nd half. Koscielny and Mertesacker were heroic today.  :notworthy:

Three North London Derbies this season, 3 wins, 4 goals scored, none conceded. I like it! Now for some more wins Gunners!
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Post by: asylumseeker on March 16, 2014, 05:14:29 PM
I would love to see KJ adapt some of Adebayor's instinctive off the ball movement. Other than that, I thought playing into his feet could have unlocked the defence had it been done more frequently. Ade has atypical, unorthodox movement with the ball at his feet that he has exploited before.
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Post by: elan on March 16, 2014, 05:17:44 PM
I would love to see KJ adapt some of Adebayor's instinctive off the ball movement. Other than that, I thought playing into his feet could have unlocked the defence had it been done more frequently. Ade has atypical, unorthodox movement with the ball at his feet that he has exploited before.

Eh them African and them have that about them. It had a couple fellas in college use to do that. Defenders would think they could reach the ball, but for some unexplained reason the ball would be moved away. Crazy. Is like they foot does extend another couple inches.
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Post by: fari on March 16, 2014, 05:27:27 PM
Ox's reaction after the goal is priceless
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Post by: Bakes on March 16, 2014, 06:10:31 PM
Eh them African and them have that about them. It had a couple fellas in college use to do that. Defenders would think they could reach the ball, but for some unexplained reason the ball would be moved away. Crazy. Is like they foot does extend another couple inches.

A couple of them African strikers just have that ability to invite a tackle and draw a foul that way.


Fantastic strike by Rosicky... happy for that fella individually, always liked him.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 18, 2014, 10:45:06 AM
Cazorla, Ramsey, Zelalem sign contracts
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/20140318/cazorla-ramsey-zelalem-sign-contracts (http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/20140318/cazorla-ramsey-zelalem-sign-contracts)

Santi Cazorla, Aaron Ramsey and Gedion Zelalem have all signed new contracts with the Club.

Cazorla has established himself as a key figure in the Arsenal midfield since his arrival from Malaga in August 2012. The 29-year-old Spain international was voted Arsenal Player of the Season last term, and with 49 appearances, featured more than any other Gunners player in 2012/13. He has continued his fine form this year.

Ramsey enjoyed an outstanding start to this season, contributing 13 goals from midfield in 27 appearances before sustaining a thigh injury in December. Four league goals, including two away to Sunderland, and a series of superb displays saw the Welshman named Barclays Player of the Month in September. Ramsey, 23, has featured a total of 177 times for Arsenal since joining the Club in 2008.

Zelalem, 17, has shown great potential since joining the Club in January 2013. The Germany youth international impressed for the first team in pre-season, playing in all four games of the Asia Tour and against Galatasaray in the Emirates Cup. He made his competitive first-team debut on January 24, coming on as a substitute in Arsenal's 4-0 victory over Coventry City in the FA Cup fourth round. This is his first professional contract.

Arsène Wenger said: “We are very pleased that Santi Cazorla, Aaron Ramsey and Gedion Zelalem have committed their futures to the Club. Cazorla and Ramsey are absolutely key players for us, and this news is a boost to the whole club. Gedion is very young of course, but he has shown already that he has fantastic promise, and we all look forward to his development with us."

Ramsey said: “I'm delighted to have signed a new contract. I've been here for six years and I'm so happy. I think we've shown so far this season what we're all about and the direction that this club wants to go in. I want to be a part of that, and to be a part of something special at Arsenal. We have a great team which we believe can achieve great things.”

Cazorla said: “I'm so happy to have signed a new contract with Arsenal. This club makes me very happy - the manager, my team-mates, the fantastic supporters, the stadium and the whole organisation here.

"I have had a great time with the Club since joining nearly two years ago, and I think that we can be a big player in competing for the top trophies in years to come and that's important for me. I have already had lots of good moments here and hopefully there will be many more to come.”

Everyone at Arsenal is looking forward to the continued contributions of Santi, Aaron and Gedion for seasons to come.
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Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on March 22, 2014, 07:10:18 AM
Park de f**kin bus shithongs!!! Yeah doh fear we nah  :rotfl:
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Post by: Bakes on March 22, 2014, 07:34:07 AM
Mercifully, half-time comes to the rescue.
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Post by: lefty on March 22, 2014, 08:16:06 AM
to borrow from bitter.....is how much time arsenal get bull dis season
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Post by: Peong on March 22, 2014, 08:31:16 AM
Shameful display.  I look forward to the post-match interview.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 22, 2014, 09:23:28 AM
Park de f**kin bus shithongs!!! Yeah doh fear we nah  :rotfl:

Well I actually said I fear City more than Chelsea. But well done today. A bad start and that was the game. Down to City and Chelsea now.

If Wenger doh win FA Cup then it is time for him to go. It might be time anyway. His tactical setup was disastrous today and Chelsea make mas with that high defensive line.
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Post by: lefty on March 22, 2014, 09:36:25 AM
Park de f**kin bus shithongs!!! Yeah doh fear we nah  :rotfl:

Well I actually said I fear City more than Chelsea. But well done today. A bad start and that was the game. Down to City and Chelsea now.

If Wenger doh win FA Cup then it is time for him to go. It might be time anyway. His tactical setup was disastrous today and Chelsea make mas with that high defensive line.

doh dismiss 'pool nah dem in d hunt....cyar doubt dat
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 22, 2014, 10:01:24 AM
Park de f**kin bus shithongs!!! Yeah doh fear we nah  :rotfl:

Well I actually said I fear City more than Chelsea. But well done today. A bad start and that was the game. Down to City and Chelsea now.

If Wenger doh win FA Cup then it is time for him to go. It might be time anyway. His tactical setup was disastrous today and Chelsea make mas with that high defensive line.

doh dismiss 'pool nah dem in d hunt....cyar doubt dat

Honestly I don't think Pool has the wherewithal to compete with those 2. They good but they not on the same level. Still think City will take it.
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Post by: grimm01 on March 22, 2014, 12:31:12 PM
Park de f**kin bus shithongs!!! Yeah doh fear we nah  :rotfl:

Well I actually said I fear City more than Chelsea. But well done today. A bad start and that was the game. Down to City and Chelsea now.

If Wenger doh win FA Cup then it is time for him to go. It might be time anyway. His tactical setup was disastrous today and Chelsea make mas with that high defensive line.

Arsene take this club as far as he could go and at this point there really aren't any excuses left. He really should go all out for the FA Cup, break the trophy drought and end on a somewhat high note. After years of falling short and capitulating to direct rivals the common denominator is him.

This season is the worse as we not only losing to the other title contenders we getting embarrassed, not even competing. We went from leading the league for the first half of the season to staring at a CL playoff spot again (as long as ManU doh win CL  :devil:). As the Guardian put it, "What is he telling his team before the big games".


Thanks for everything, I appreciate the all he's done, but it really is time for a fresh start.
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Post by: lefty on March 22, 2014, 07:34:46 PM
Park de f**kin bus shithongs!!! Yeah doh fear we nah  :rotfl:

Well I actually said I fear City more than Chelsea. But well done today. A bad start and that was the game. Down to City and Chelsea now.

If Wenger doh win FA Cup then it is time for him to go. It might be time anyway. His tactical setup was disastrous today and Chelsea make mas with that high defensive line.

doh dismiss 'pool nah dem in d hunt....cyar doubt dat

Honestly I don't think Pool has the wherewithal to compete with those 2. They good but they not on the same level. Still think City will take it.

I not hearing u with dat, pool been on a good run lately, even with their defense lookin lil porous, chelsea solid but has been prone trippin over ah bump every now and den, even with city's game in hand, I tink pool will be up for it in d big games, like they show alyuh ;D, dey eh play city yet and dey eh play chelsea yet......result in dem favor in dem game and yuh never know...............also remember what ah say bout winnin d big games..............whais it yuh have to say now
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Post by: kaliman2006 on March 22, 2014, 10:29:46 PM
Well Arsene Wenger's 1000th game in charge was certainly a memorable one, even though his team ended up on the wrong side of a 6-0 scoreline.

Dear me, dear me....
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 22, 2014, 11:46:42 PM
Park de f**kin bus shithongs!!! Yeah doh fear we nah  :rotfl:

Well I actually said I fear City more than Chelsea. But well done today. A bad start and that was the game. Down to City and Chelsea now.

If Wenger doh win FA Cup then it is time for him to go. It might be time anyway. His tactical setup was disastrous today and Chelsea make mas with that high defensive line.

doh dismiss 'pool nah dem in d hunt....cyar doubt dat

Honestly I don't think Pool has the wherewithal to compete with those 2. They good but they not on the same level. Still think City will take it.

I not hearing u with dat, pool been on a good run lately, even with their defense lookin lil porous, chelsea solid but has been prone trippin over ah bump every now and den, even with city's game in hand, I tink pool will be up for it in d big games, like they show alyuh ;D, dey eh play city yet and dey eh play chelsea yet......result in dem favor in dem game and yuh never know...............also remember what ah say bout winnin d big games..............whais it yuh have to say now

Well I said we didn't need to win the big games as long as we were taking care of business in the small ones. Unfortunately the Stoke result put us in a bad situation. Had we won that we would be able to shake off this result. There are many more games besides the big games. 20 teams in the league and a point is a point, whether it comes from City or Cardiff.

And I don't see how you can point out Chelsea and City's flaws and totally ignore Pool's. Sure they on a good run of form but they would be vulnerable to a bad result same as Arsenal. That just doh make sense.

Sure Pool showed us at Anfield but doh forget who knock them out of the Cup. And Arsenal's best performance this season was beating Pool at Emirates in November.
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Post by: lefty on March 23, 2014, 04:46:33 AM
I said their defense was porous, but they compensate for dat with attack.......what happened in the cup aside, dis year had 4-6 team could be considered contenders, dais 30 relatively hard to get points, u cannot convince me dat not getting some ah dat can be good for a team dat want d title..........even with other contenders making mistakes every now and then ............d maths jus doh make sense....no "big" side going to trip up enough to make dem points irrelevant.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 23, 2014, 12:38:39 PM
I said their defense was porous, but they compensate for dat with attack.......what happened in the cup aside, dis year had 4-6 team could be considered contenders, dais 30 relatively hard to get points, u cannot convince me dat not getting some ah dat can be good for a team dat want d title..........even with other contenders making mistakes every now and then ............d maths jus doh make sense....no "big" side going to trip up enough to make dem points irrelevant.

Of course that can be good for a team. A point is a point. And apart from the away trips to the other 3 teams in the Champions League spots, Arsenal has won at all the other teams you referring to. But I don't think the teams from 5th back would apply here. And up until March, all the big sides DID trip up enough. Seems like they managed to get their act together just as Arsenal went into it's hardest run of the season, unfortunately.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on March 24, 2014, 09:23:46 AM
Dansteel just light ah candle and start wearing ah blue shirt.  We eh go even charge no initiation fee.  Jes fall een nah.  Allyuh eh tiyad suffa?! :D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 24, 2014, 11:44:33 AM
Dansteel just light ah candle and start wearing ah blue shirt.  We eh go even charge no initiation fee.  Jes fall een nah.  Allyuh eh tiyad suffa?! :D

LOL! Nah man. I hate Chelsea. Not as much as Spurs, United, QRC or Barca but I hate them. I supporting Arsenal since Wrighty sign for them. Through thick and thin. Our time will come, and soon.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Deeks on March 24, 2014, 12:59:08 PM
Not as much as Spurs, United, QRC or Barca but I hate them

Dude, leave QRC out that!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 24, 2014, 02:30:46 PM
Not as much as Spurs, United, QRC or Barca but I hate them

Dude, leave QRC out that!!!

Hahaha! Sorry man, I went Saints. Old habits.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Deeks on March 24, 2014, 03:22:49 PM
Not as much as Spurs, United, QRC or Barca but I hate them

Dude, leave QRC out that!!!

Hahaha! Sorry man, I went Saints. Old habits.

No sweat man, only kidding. ;D. The rivalry up to my time was great. As a mater of fact, the north rivalry was great! When I reincarnation, I want the same thing except, I want to win more. That include beating Saints  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 24, 2014, 06:14:06 PM
Not as much as Spurs, United, QRC or Barca but I hate them

Dude, leave QRC out that!!!

Hahaha! Sorry man, I went Saints. Old habits.

No sweat man, only kidding. ;D. The rivalry up to my time was great. As a mater of fact, the north rivalry was great! When I reincarnation, I want the same thing except, I want to win more. That include beating Saints  ;D

Hehehehe!  :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: elan on March 25, 2014, 02:06:35 PM
Swansea at the helm.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on March 25, 2014, 03:27:31 PM
That changed quickly.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: kaliman2006 on March 25, 2014, 03:40:41 PM
Oh Arsenal....
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on March 25, 2014, 03:41:24 PM
Hoss light de cyandle nah boi! 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: kaliman2006 on March 25, 2014, 03:42:09 PM
Hoss light de cyandle nah boi! 


Arsenal like dey need ah serious bush bath...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: ckhan on March 25, 2014, 03:50:34 PM
Oh well. At least we can concentrate on the FA cup. There should be no talk of title now; it was fun while it lasted.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: asylumseeker on March 25, 2014, 04:12:32 PM
Hoss light de cyandle nah boi!

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Peong on March 25, 2014, 04:14:48 PM
Arsenal backward.

8 pts from the last 7 games
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 25, 2014, 04:16:27 PM
Oh well. I thought if we could end the run of big games at most 4 points off the pace then we could still contend for the title but unless absolutely everything goes our way this weekend we out of it for sure.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bakes on March 25, 2014, 04:31:41 PM
Hoss light de cyandle nah boi! 


You's ah real shithong yes LOL  :rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Peong on March 25, 2014, 04:32:44 PM
The ref really let them off too, Swansea had a man through on goal when he blew the whistle.  That could have ended much worse for Arsenal.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 25, 2014, 04:35:23 PM
The ref really let them off too, Swansea had a man through on goal when he blew the whistle.  That could have ended much worse for Arsenal.

It happens. Not often but if they run out of time it doh really matter where they were.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: lefty on March 28, 2014, 05:54:40 PM
do sumting useful tomorrow for ah change please ;D pretty pretty please :-*
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 29, 2014, 08:50:11 AM
do sumting useful tomorrow for ah change please ;D pretty pretty please :-*

Start with not playing a dunce high line against a team you can't dominate in midfield.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: lefty on March 29, 2014, 10:17:00 AM
right now chelsea have to do sumting useful
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: lefty on March 29, 2014, 10:57:47 AM
..............and they didn't......wide open again :P
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: chelsealife on March 29, 2014, 11:01:44 AM
Hoping for a draw in Arsenal v Man City.  :cursing: Chelsea man  :banginghead: hope Arsenal en shit down dey self again today
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 29, 2014, 11:21:40 AM
This is your last chance Arsenal. Don't f**k this up again!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Peong on March 29, 2014, 12:03:24 PM
Last chance for what?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 29, 2014, 01:24:34 PM
Oh well. That's the end of that. 5 points behind with our big games behind us. Well fought Gunners. Better work on those fullbacks positioning.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 29, 2014, 09:06:13 PM
Last chance for what?
Keeping the title bid alive. It ended today. But the way everybody dropping points all over de place I figured if we were 4 points behind the leaders after our string of big games with the top 3 still to play each other, we still had a shot. More than 4 is too much. So after Chelsea lost, today was our last chance to stay in the race.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 30, 2014, 06:48:43 PM
Seeing reports of Arsenal trying to sign Josip Drmić. Any info? From what I have seen, he looks like the classic Wenger striker. Not an established star, talented, fast, good technique, can finish well with either foot, experience as a winger. 16 league goals for Nurnberg this season. Oh and he's 6' 2" so he can presumably cope with physicality.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on April 06, 2014, 07:05:30 AM
5th!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: lefty on April 06, 2014, 07:21:46 AM
 
5th!
not quite yet 4 points ahead
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on April 06, 2014, 07:27:21 AM
5th!
not quite yet 4 points ahead

Everton have a game in hand.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: asylumseeker on April 06, 2014, 07:35:33 AM
Absolute uninventive tata is what Arsenal dropping right now.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: lefty on April 06, 2014, 07:36:40 AM
5th!
not quite yet 4 points ahead

Everton have a game in hand.
yeah now checkin dat......

like everton too, dis prem was close I feel d 2 Merseysiders *spellin* would be a good add to the title contender ranks for next year
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: lefty on April 06, 2014, 07:52:27 AM
arsenal gone tru
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on April 06, 2014, 07:54:27 AM
arsenal gone tru

The drop off from Koscielny/Gibbs/Ozil to Vermalen/Monreal/Podolski is amazing.

This same type of thing was happening before The Koscielny/Mertesacker partnership. For a supposed top player, Vermalen is shockingly unaware of dangerous situations developing. On that first goal Koscielny would never have let the ball go past, he would have blasted it out somewhere.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: lefty on April 06, 2014, 08:05:53 AM
arsenal gone tru

The drop off from Koscielny/Gibbs/Ozil to Vermalen/Monreal/Podolski is amazing.

This same type of thing was happening before The Koscielny/Mertesacker partnership. For a supposed top player, Vermalen is shockingly unaware of dangerous situations developing. On that first goal Koscielny would never have let the ball go past, he would have blasted it out somewhere.

dias what does happen when u refuse to buy QUALITY backups for yuh main players AND PLAY A DUNCE HIGH LINE with average players
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on April 06, 2014, 08:10:36 AM
arsenal gone tru

The drop off from Koscielny/Gibbs/Ozil to Vermalen/Monreal/Podolski is amazing.

This same type of thing was happening before The Koscielny/Mertesacker partnership. For a supposed top player, Vermalen is shockingly unaware of dangerous situations developing. On that first goal Koscielny would never have let the ball go past, he would have blasted it out somewhere.

dias what does happen when u refuse to buy QUALITY backups for yuh main players AND PLAY A DUNCE HIGH LINE with average players

So True. Arsenal's problem for a long time has been squad depth. Supposedly they have the money now to buy. You can see the difference with Ramsay on.
And I wouldn't call it a dunce high line, as much as a high line with dunces in it, though that might be the same thing.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: lefty on April 06, 2014, 08:20:02 AM

So True. Arsenal's problem for a long time has been squad depth. Supposedly they have the money now to buy. You can see the difference with Ramsay on.
And I wouldn't call it a dunce high line, as much as a high line with dunces in it, though that might be the same thing.

lol yeah it is :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: doc on April 06, 2014, 08:40:57 AM
5th!
not quite yet 4 points ahead

Everton have a game in hand.
Things looking ominous boy...   :pissedoff: ... we need a reaction  :frustrated: !!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: weary1969 on April 06, 2014, 10:51:19 AM
Arsenal fans have 2 b d most loyal because 2 be takin this level of disappointment year in year out I :applause: :salute:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: lefty on April 06, 2014, 11:16:00 AM
Arsenal fans have 2 b d most loyal because 2 be takin this level of disappointment year in year out I :applause: :salute:

dey bought some players to quell a near fan revolt, den proceeded to burn dem out...squad to small and low on quality
(https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/1505434_288112078015666_1131056376_n.jpg)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: elan on April 06, 2014, 11:54:57 AM
Arsenal is like a new sports car..........from 1st to 5th in no time.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: fari on April 06, 2014, 05:57:40 PM
tactics off, defensive mids poor, monreal playing like an under 14 school boy (shows lukaku inside knowing full well the man is a left footer)...awful, awful day today.  whoever the new manager is (face it, wenger ain't lasting more than one more season if that much) has a lot of work to do
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: elan on April 06, 2014, 07:23:43 PM
tactics off, defensive mids poor, monreal playing like an under 14 school boy (shows lukaku inside knowing full well the man is a left footer)...awful, awful day today.  whoever the new manager is (face it, wenger ain't lasting more than one more season if that much) has a lot of work to do

They don't have much to do as Arsenal have a very good base. What they need more than anything else is depth and someone to get them to be gritty. To stand up as strong resilient players.

Klopp maybe looking for a new job also, maybe that's what arsenal need. With him and JM in the EPL, things will always be interesting.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on April 07, 2014, 07:42:57 PM
5th!
not quite yet 4 points ahead

Everton have a game in hand.
yeah now checkin dat......

like everton too, dis prem was close I feel d 2 Merseysiders *spellin* would be a good add to the title contender ranks for next year

Everton still have to play City and United. Still, a disappointing result. So it go when you lose 5 of your best players and 2 of them going downhill fast. Major replacements this summer. Real men defend Vermaelen to me. I doh want to listen to that nonsense any more. Just not good enough.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: soccerman on April 07, 2014, 11:23:02 PM
Arsenal is like a new sports car..........from 1st to 5th in no time.
:rotfl:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on April 12, 2014, 11:30:35 AM
Enjoy your retirement Wenger
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Deeks on April 12, 2014, 11:31:45 AM
Oh Boy!!!!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: lefty on April 12, 2014, 11:48:54 AM
Enjoy your retirement Wenger

eh!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Deeks on April 12, 2014, 11:50:07 AM
Enjoy your retirement Wenger

eh!

Well, the show eh over until the fat lady sings!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: lefty on April 12, 2014, 11:58:29 AM
d maths in everton favor slightlty, but dey need to jump ah manchester hurdle.......atleast dey winnin d "easy" ones.....I doh count man u as easy...since they seem to show up all of ah sudden every now and den.....but city is city!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Deeks on April 12, 2014, 12:40:53 PM
penal! penal!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on April 12, 2014, 12:51:56 PM
Wenger fights off the reaper
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Deeks on April 12, 2014, 01:55:29 PM
Houdini Wenger!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on April 12, 2014, 03:02:23 PM
Doh put me through that again Arsenal please?!

That was ugly. I going to miss Fabianski. He too good to be a backup.

Say what, Wigan are defending champs, and knocked out City, and we knocked out Spurs, Pool and Everton. We earned our spot in the final the hard way. But we have to play better than that going forward.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on April 15, 2014, 01:28:13 PM
5th!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on April 16, 2014, 02:01:44 PM
4th!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Peong on April 16, 2014, 02:07:16 PM
Despite all the tomfoolery this season, there's no way Arsenal can manage to lose out on a CL spot.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: D.H.W on April 16, 2014, 02:07:34 PM
Stueps!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on April 16, 2014, 06:40:43 PM
Everton nah ready! Wenger is 4th place Banton!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on April 21, 2014, 08:16:16 PM
Think of what people were saying about Aaron Ramsey a year ago. Now people think of what might have been if he hadn't gotten injured in December. Brilliant performance Sunday Rambo!  :applause:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on April 26, 2014, 01:19:39 PM
6 more points and CL qualification is sealed. Then the team can rest players on the final day to be fresh for the FA Cup Final. Or they can try for 3rd.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on May 11, 2014, 11:53:22 AM
(http://giant.gfycat.com/DistinctGivingAmurratsnake.gif)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dinner Mints on May 11, 2014, 12:35:57 PM
(http://giant.gfycat.com/DistinctGivingAmurratsnake.gif)
Healthy squad this season might've been way different.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on May 11, 2014, 09:14:57 PM
Healthy squad this season might've been way different.
Sigh. Oh well. Some progress made and a real shot at a trophy next week. Serious money coming in now so a top striker and a dominant holding midfielder in the summer are priority.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: asylumseeker on May 17, 2014, 08:12:15 AM
Ah want to say de Barca-Atleti match will take precedence in this time slot, buh truth is ah will have to keep an eye on both proceedings.



Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: asylumseeker on May 17, 2014, 10:11:14 AM
Hull up 2-0 at 9'. Mercy Arsenal ...
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: asylumseeker on May 17, 2014, 10:17:48 AM
2-1 courtesy Cazorla 17'
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: asylumseeker on May 17, 2014, 11:31:07 AM
2-2
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: asylumseeker on May 17, 2014, 11:39:24 AM
Miss of grand proportions by Arsenal 80'.

Edit: Kieron Gibbs.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: asylumseeker on May 17, 2014, 12:18:23 PM
Thinking about Geovanni's days at Hull ...  practically ancient history.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: asylumseeker on May 17, 2014, 12:21:30 PM
Wenger!!!  :devil: 3-2
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: grimm01 on May 17, 2014, 12:35:30 PM
Whew that game was pressure
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: weary1969 on May 17, 2014, 12:58:57 PM
Congrats Arsenal let's home you guys turn the corner and not like the WI team and all yuh turn on a round about.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on May 17, 2014, 02:23:51 PM
Arsenal does take years off my life yes! But this was SWEET! :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on May 17, 2014, 08:15:56 PM
Finally win sonething A.few thoughts:
Steve bruces gameplan was on point.
Bruces sons injury made a difference for hull.
Sanogo for Podolski was a big difference maker for arsenal, he doesn't score (yet), but his movement was a problem for hull.
The ref could have given 3 penalties for arsenal
Vinnie Jones needs to be part of the studio crew.
Please, send Gus back to baseball or whatever. Send Wynalda somewhere too
Good win Arsenal, now with the monkey off their back, I think they can do great things.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on May 17, 2014, 09:31:41 PM
Finally win sonething A.few thoughts:
Steve bruces gameplan was on point.
Bruces sons injury made a difference for hull.
Sanogo for Podolski was a big difference maker for arsenal, he doesn't score (yet), but his movement was a problem for hull.
The ref could have given 3 penalties for arsenal
Vinnie Jones needs to be part of the studio crew.
Please, send Gus back to baseball or whatever. Send Wynalda somewhere too
Good win Arsenal, now with the monkey off their back, I think they can do great things.

Great summary. Agree 100%.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: D.H.W on May 18, 2014, 04:01:55 AM
Congratulations. Arsenal deserve it
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on May 21, 2014, 06:23:19 PM
Ozil
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1240101_600608503331402_2025558972_n.jpg)

 :applause: :heehee:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 07, 2014, 07:24:35 PM
Right Wenger. Alexis Sanchez, Javi Martinez. Make it happen!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: TdotTrini on July 10, 2014, 05:47:39 AM
Arsenal is set to complete the signing of Chilean striker Alexis Sanchez from Barcelona for a transfer fee of EUR 37.7 million. I'ts a four year contract. Medical is scheduled for today. French and Newcastle defender Debuchy has completed his medical. I believe the Club will be making the announcement tomorrow.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: TdotTrini on July 10, 2014, 09:07:28 AM
Sanchez has passed his physical today.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: TdotTrini on July 10, 2014, 09:47:49 AM
Its seems the team has been working real hard over the last 72 hours to complete the signing of Alexis Sanchez to coincide with the launch of the new PUMA kit tonight.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 10, 2014, 01:12:10 PM
 :wavetowel: :wavetowel:

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/20140710/alexis-sanchez-agrees-to-join-arsenal (http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/20140710/alexis-sanchez-agrees-to-join-arsenal)

Alexis Sanchez agrees to join Arsenal

Chile international striker Alexis Sanchez has agreed to join Arsenal Football Club on a long-term contract for an undisclosed fee.

Sanchez, 25, joins Arsenal from Barcelona where he made a total of 88 appearances, scoring 39 goals during his three seasons with the Catalan side.

With Barcelona, Sanchez won both La Liga (2012/13) and the Copa del Rey (2012), as well as the Spanish Super Cup on two occasions (2011, 2013), the UEFA Super Cup (2011) and the FIFA Club World Cup (2011).

Regarded as one of the world’s finest talents, Sanchez has just returned from the World Cup in Brazil, where he played an integral role in Chile qualifying from their group (which included the Netherlands, Spain and Australia) and reaching the round of 16. During the tournament, Sanchez scored two goals from his four appearances.

The striker, who has now made 71 appearances for Chile, scoring 24 goals, started his career with Cobreloa, based in Calama in north Chile, where he spent a season before moving to Santiago-based Colo-Colo, where he won the Chilean Primera Division in 2007.

After convincing performances in Chile between 2005 and 2007, Sanchez went on loan to Argentine side River Plate, where he added the Argentinian Primera Division to his honours.

Following his success in South America, Sanchez made a permanent move to Serie A side Udinese in 2008, where he spent three seasons, scoring 20 goals from 95 appearances, before making the move to Barcelona in 2011.

Arsenal manager Arsène Wenger said: “As many people have seen during the World Cup this summer, Alexis is a fantastic footballer and we are delighted that he is joining us at Arsenal Football Club.

“Alexis will add power, creativity and much quality to our squad and we are all looking forward to him joining up with us in a few weeks. He has consistently produced top-quality performances at the highest level for a number of seasons now and we are all excited to see him integrate into the Arsenal squad. I’m sure all Arsenal supporters will join me in welcoming Alexis to our club.”

Sanchez said: “I’m so happy to be joining Arsenal, a club which has a great manager, a fantastic squad of players, huge support around the world and a great stadium in London. I’m looking forward to meeting my new team-mates and to be playing for Arsenal in the Premier League and Champions League. I will give my best to Arsenal and want to make all the supporters happy.”

Sanchez travelled to London Colney on Thursday to complete his medical and will join up with his new team-mates at the end of July, after spending some time on holiday following the World Cup.

It is expected that Sanchez will make his first Arsenal appearance at the Emirates Cup, which takes place at Emirates Stadium on Saturday, August 2 and Sunday, August 3.

Sanchez’s Arsenal squad number will be revealed soon through Arsenal’s official Instagram account.

A full interview with Alexis will feature soon on Arsenal Player.

Everyone at Arsenal welcomes Alexis to the club and looks forward to seeing him in an Arsenal shirt.

The transfer is subject to the normal regulatory process.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bakes on July 10, 2014, 01:36:08 PM
Blank Liverpool to go play for Arsenal?  Okay, we'll see how that one works out  :)
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: grimm01 on July 10, 2014, 03:29:43 PM
Blank Liverpool to go play for Arsenal?  Okay, we'll see how that one works out  :)

Equally applicable to Liverpool if Suarez moves to Barca.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bakes on July 10, 2014, 03:36:17 PM
Equally applicable to Liverpool if Suarez moves to Barca.

Eh?  Worked out splendidly for Liverpool... second place in the Prem, CL football money and 80 Million Pounds Sterling richer for the sale.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Tenorsaw on July 10, 2014, 05:23:21 PM
Equally applicable to Liverpool if Suarez moves to Barca.

Eh?  Worked out splendidly for Liverpool... second place in the Prem, CL football money and 80 Million Pounds Sterling richer for the sale.

We go be OK...we ain't stupid just to go and spend money on players that don't fit into our playing philosophy like Spurs did.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 10, 2014, 09:52:23 PM
Exactly the player Arsenal was looking for. He offers everything the Gunners attack was missing last season. 2 world class players in 2 summers. And people want to say Wenger afraid to spend money on quality.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: TdotTrini on July 11, 2014, 04:53:52 AM
Exactly the player Arsenal was looking for. He offers everything the Gunners attack was missing last season. 2 world class players in 2 summers. And people want to say Wenger afraid to spend money on quality.

We've completed the last stage of the 10 year freeze of heavy spending on world class players.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/10601900/Arsenal-have-reached-their-Promised-Land-Why-2014-is-such-a-big-year-for-Arsene-Wenger-and-the-Gunners.html
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 11, 2014, 07:44:18 AM
Exactly the player Arsenal was looking for. He offers everything the Gunners attack was missing last season. 2 world class players in 2 summers. And people want to say Wenger afraid to spend money on quality.

We've completed the last stage of the 10 year freeze of heavy spending on world class players.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/10601900/Arsenal-have-reached-their-Promised-Land-Why-2014-is-such-a-big-year-for-Arsene-Wenger-and-the-Gunners.html

Amen to that. Madrid's #10 and Barca's #9 in two summers. And we were able to tell them we didn't need Cesc. Basically this is a huge "I told you so!" from Wenger and the board to the fans who were complaining about them being cheap.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 17, 2014, 11:48:57 AM
Arsenal complete Mathieu Debuchy signing

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/20140717/arsenal-complete-mathieu-debuchy-signing (http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/20140717/arsenal-complete-mathieu-debuchy-signing)

France international Mathieu Debuchy has joined Arsenal Football Club on a long-term contract for an undisclosed fee.

The 28-year-old right back has just returned from the World Cup in Brazil, where he helped France reach the quarter-finals.

An experienced defender, Debuchy arrives from Newcastle United, where he featured 46 times during an 18-month spell. He spent the first nine years of his senior career with French side Lille, where he made 233 Ligue 1 appearances for his boyhood club and a further 18 in the Uefa Champions League.

Debuchy helped Lille to a league and Coupe de France double in 2010/11 and in the following season his contribution was recognised by being named in the 2011/12 Ligue 1 Team of the Season. His performances also earned him his international debut against Albania in October 2011, and he now has 25 caps for France.

Arsène Wenger said: “We are delighted to welcome Mathieu Debuchy to Arsenal Football Club. He has shown he can perform at the highest level with his club sides and also for France. He is a quality defender who has good Premier League experience and I’m confident he will fit in very well with us.”

Debuchy will join up with his new team-mates soon for pre-season preparations and is expected to make his debut at the Emirates Cup in the first weekend of August.

He said: “I’m very proud to be joining a great club like Arsenal and to wear its colours, it’s one of the biggest clubs in the whole world. I’m looking forward to working with Arsène Wenger and to helping the team build on last season’s FA Cup success. Playing again in the Champions League is a big excitement for me and I will do my best to help Arsenal compete for trophies.”

Debuchy’s Arsenal squad number will be revealed soon through Arsenal’s official Instagram account @Arsenal.

Everyone at Arsenal would like to welcome Mathieu to the Club.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 27, 2014, 02:32:55 PM
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/20140727/arsenal-to-sign-goalkeeper-david-ospina (http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/20140727/arsenal-to-sign-goalkeeper-david-ospina)

Arsenal to sign David Ospina from Nice

David Ospina will join Arsenal Football Club on a long-term contract for an undisclosed fee.

The 25-year-old goalkeeper had an impressive World Cup with Colombia, helping his country to the quarter finals in Brazil with a series of fine displays.
He arrives at Emirates Stadium from French side Nice, where he made 189 Ligue 1 appearances during a six-year spell.
Ospina began his career with Atletico Nacional in Colombia’s Categoria Primera A league, aged just 17. An experienced international, he currently has 49 caps for his country.
Arsène Wenger said of the club’s new signing: “David Ospina is an excellent goalkeeper, with good experience and a proven record of performing with Nice and Colombia. He will add strength to our squad and we are very pleased that he will be joining us."
It is expected Ospina will make his first Arsenal appearance at the Emirates Cup, which takes place at Emirates Stadium on Saturday, August 2 and Sunday, August 3.
Ospina’s Arsenal squad number will be revealed soon through Arsenal’s official Instagram account.
Everyone at Arsenal would like to welcome David to the Club.
The transfer is subject to the completion of regulatory processes.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 27, 2014, 02:33:31 PM
Holding mid and backup centre half and bring on the league!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 29, 2014, 12:05:00 PM
Seeing the training camp pictures and new signing Calum Chambers wearing #5. Like Vermaelen going to sell guns somewhere else.  ;D

This transfer window just keeps getting better and better! Sanchez comes to the BPL club with the brightest future (why on earth would he choose Liverpool over Arsenal at this point in their history?), Sagna replaced by the man keeping him out of the French National Team, Fabianski replaced with a player of quality and a highly promising young, versatile fullback signed. Time for that starting holding midfielder then bring on the season!
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Post by: alb on July 29, 2014, 05:56:32 PM
29 July 2014

Our most-important signing won't even play a single minute..
Forget Alexis. Forget Debuchy, Ospina, or Chambers.  Ignore any reports around any other player we may or may not sign. Those players, after all, will vie for time on the pitch with other members of the squad, rotating in as necessary or deserved and, more crucially, replacing them when they're injured. Arsenal's most significant signing of the summer won't compete for time on the pitch . He won't reduce anyone to time on the bench. His job will consist entirely of keeping our players on the pitch as much as possible. Shad Forsythe, fitness coach for Germany's national team, will come in to work alongside our current fitness coach, Tony Colbert. Forsythe's name may not be as drool-inducing as some of the players we covet, but his contributions off the pitch could prove to be even more vital than any contributions any players could make on it.


After all, even before the additions of the aforementioned four, this was a squad that held firmly onto first place for 128 days, keeping Chelsea, Liverpool, and Man City at arm's length until the wheels fell off. Injuries and fatigue denied us the services of player after player after player to the point that, collectively, our players missed 289 league games, far away the best (worst?) record in the Prem, more than double the number missed by Chelsea's players (109) or by City's (142). If Forsythe can reduce our injury-record even marginally, we could see a significant improvement in our fortunes.

Forsythe's speciality is in recovery, which some take to mean "getting injured but healing quickly." However, this reflects only a partial understanding of his role. "Recovery" as Forsythe practices it is a concept much broader than that, involving bloodwork, nutrition, and other treatments tailored specifically to each athlete and his or her extertion levels. In this piece he wrote for the PerformBetter! website, he explains his methods and work with the German national team. I'll boil it down a bit but encourage you to give the full article a read. What he emphasizes is a regimen that will enhance an athlete's body to recover from exertion more quickly, enabling the athlete's tissues and joints to recuperate more fully between matches, thereby reducing the risk of exhaustion, which causes some injuries and can increase the risk of other injuries.

For example, Forsythe writes:
Post workout nutrition should consist of: a mixture of carbohydrates, fats, proteins (based on the athletes body composition and exertion level), electrolytes (based on the athletes perspiring levels), and water for hydration. Cryotherapy should consist of cold water immersion (55 degrees F) for at least 5 minutes. Athletes exerting the whole body (Rugby/American Football) should be fully immersed with only the head showing while athlete primarily exerting the lower body (Cyclist/Soccer) immersion to above the waist is acceptable.
Daily treatments that include stretching, cryotherapy (that would be the cold-water immersion), self-massage, and professional massage may not sound like revolutionary techniques, but I'm sure that Forsythe's work with the German team and ours would consist of more individualized regimens. Earlier in that same article, he talks of "blood samples weekly throughout the [2006 World Cup] to monitor signs of stress and overtraining" and how team-doctors reported "the lowest markers for stress and overtraining in the history of German National Teams during a tournament and credited the results to our consistent recovery regimen." Germany may not have won the 2006 World Cup, but they did win in 2014 despite playing in the heat and humidity against an Argentinian squad theoretically more-comfortable with such conditions.

Forsythe may not be able to prevent the kind of injures that Oxlade-Chamberlain or Walcott suffered this season, by he may very well be able to prevent the other knocks, niggles, and strains that build up over the course of a season. How much better might Mesut have played in his first Prem season, his first away from La Liga's softer winter? Would Ramsey have suffered his thigh-strain in the first place? Could we see Diaby play an entire season? We lambasted our trainers all season for failing to prevent injuries or get players back on their feet as quickly as we were told they'd be. I'm not saying that Forsythe will set us up for an injury-free season; far from it. If he can mitigate our injury-woes in any way, though, he might just be the best addition to the squad.

http://woolwich1886.blogspot.ca/2014/07/our-most-important-signing-wont-even.html
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Post by: asylumseeker on August 15, 2014, 12:27:31 AM
Quote
What is tiring is to lose players to City or ­somebody else. You will have to ask Sagna why he chose City. I made him a proposal to stay for three years, but he chose them. Had he chosen a long time ago? Maybe – it looks to me like he agreed it a long time before. It is disappointing because he came here as an unknown and he became a French ­international. But I also respect Sagna because, until the last day of his contract with us, he was super-professional. - Arsene Wenger.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/arsenals-wenger-surprised-disappointed-title-4021746#ixzz3ARHTBX2G

[In the last five years, Arsenal have lost Emmanuel Adebayor, Kolo Toure, Gael Clichy, Samir Nasri and now Sagna to City].


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Post by: Deeks on August 15, 2014, 06:00:08 AM
Arsene is the ultimate teflon man
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 16, 2014, 10:05:49 PM
Quote
What is tiring is to lose players to City or ­somebody else. You will have to ask Sagna why he chose City. I made him a proposal to stay for three years, but he chose them. Had he chosen a long time ago? Maybe – it looks to me like he agreed it a long time before. It is disappointing because he came here as an unknown and he became a French ­international. But I also respect Sagna because, until the last day of his contract with us, he was super-professional. - Arsene Wenger.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/arsenals-wenger-surprised-disappointed-title-4021746#ixzz3ARHTBX2G

[In the last five years, Arsenal have lost Emmanuel Adebayor, Kolo Toure, Gael Clichy, Samir Nasri and now Sagna to City].


Interesting that none of the players we lost to City were huge successes. Nasri still has a chance. Clichy is ok and Sagna's career is winding down. Probably why I never felt that hostile towards City buying our players.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 16, 2014, 10:08:37 PM
Team looked rusty. I'll take the 3 points though. Hope the play improves for the Besiktas playoff and the Everton game next weekend.

Ramsey, what can I say? The man has that Thomas Muller quality of knowing where to be and he can bury it. Keep it up Aaron!
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Post by: elan on August 19, 2014, 01:10:43 PM
Ba hits cross bar from kick off

https://vine.co/v/M30HUnVIOXm (https://vine.co/v/M30HUnVIOXm)

https://vine.co/v/M30wOb2FmDK (https://vine.co/v/M30wOb2FmDK)
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Post by: lefty on August 23, 2014, 11:34:04 AM
ARSENAL!!!!! :-\
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Post by: Bitter on August 23, 2014, 12:36:31 PM
Play crap for 70 minutes, then turn the screws. And consider that Everton's 2nd goal was offside...

I think the Giroud haters need to get a grip now. Ramsey is still on fire.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on August 28, 2014, 09:32:00 AM
Tough game yesterday. Besiktas should be in the UCL. Just not at Arsenal's expense.
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Post by: ckhan on August 28, 2014, 11:31:23 AM
Giroud is out for 4 months but he (Wenger) is not buying a striker. I've always had a problem with my side's pinch penny spending but I agree with his focus on a central midfielder and defender, we need them.
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Post by: Peong on August 28, 2014, 02:19:53 PM
Wenger like bachanal. Arsenal scrambling right from the start of the season.
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Post by: grimm01 on August 31, 2014, 01:21:30 PM
Arsene's insistence on playing Sanogo and talking up his striking options have to be a poorly veiled negotiating tactic. I want to believe that he trying to play hard ball with another club and doh really believe that he can make it to the next transfer window in a  competitive position with what on hand now.

Then again he's shown himself to be stubborn in the past.
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Post by: Tallman on September 01, 2014, 11:31:30 AM
It's being reported that Danny Welbeck is currently undergoing a medical at Arsenal right now.
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Post by: D.H.W on September 01, 2014, 11:38:14 AM
Stueps out of all the places
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Post by: Tallman on September 01, 2014, 02:32:24 PM
From BBC:
"Arsenal have reached an agreement with Manchester United for the permanent signing of Danny Welbeck.

"The fee is in the region of £16m and there is no expectation that there will be any complications with the 23-year-old's personal terms or medical checks."
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Post by: Bakes on September 01, 2014, 02:50:15 PM
So Arsenal's valuation of Wellbeck is equal to Liverpool's valuation of Balotelli?  Interesting.  Brilliant piece ah business by United, if true.
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Post by: grimm01 on September 01, 2014, 07:00:04 PM
We started the transfer window with a bang and ended with a disappointing whimper. If Giroud can't fire us to the next level, doubt if Welbeck can either. BTW where de damn CB?
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Post by: Dinner Mints on September 02, 2014, 05:58:17 AM
We started the transfer window with a bang and ended with a disappointing whimper.
That is just perception, though. If they did start de transfer window with Chambers and Welbeck and sign Alexis Sanchez yesterday, everybody woulda be buzzing.
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Post by: DeSoWa on September 02, 2014, 11:26:12 AM
So Arsenal's valuation of Wellbeck is equal to Liverpool's valuation of Balotelli?  Interesting.  Brilliant piece ah business by United, if true.

I think he being English had a part to play in the fee
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Post by: Bakes on September 02, 2014, 11:56:28 AM
So Arsenal's valuation of Wellbeck is equal to Liverpool's valuation of Balotelli?  Interesting.  Brilliant piece ah business by United, if true.

I think he being English had a part to play in the fee

Oh I'm sure it did... but it also means that better options might have been out there beyond England.  I just have a hard time believing that Arsenal really wanted Welbeck all along, as opposed to panic buying at the close.
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Post by: DeSoWa on September 02, 2014, 01:44:06 PM
So Arsenal's valuation of Wellbeck is equal to Liverpool's valuation of Balotelli?  Interesting.  Brilliant piece ah business by United, if true.

I think he being English had a part to play in the fee

Oh I'm sure it did... but it also means that better options might have been out there beyond England.  I just have a hard time believing that Arsenal really wanted Welbeck all along, as opposed to panic buying at the close.

It's the Arsenal way  :D They had some interest before, but that was only if they did not get who they really wanted. Hope it works out in the long run, I am not as disappointed as most Arsenal fans are. ManU has more pressure to succeed with the amount of money they spent for a loanee.
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Post by: grimm01 on September 02, 2014, 02:38:26 PM
We started the transfer window with a bang and ended with a disappointing whimper.
That is just perception, though. If they did start de transfer window with Chambers and Welbeck and sign Alexis Sanchez yesterday, everybody woulda be buzzing.

I am a bit disappointed in the Welbeck acquisition but prefer him to Remy. At the end of the day I realize that the striking options at this late stage were pretty limited but we've always known that Sonogo not up to snuff and Alexis will take time to adapt.

I am hoping that Welbeck seizes the opportunity just like Sturridge did after leaving Chelsea.

Biggest disappointment is the lack of activity  on the defensive end especially as Vermaelen and Miquel are gone. For CB we have Per, Kos, Chambers and Nacho. I would argue we still need an upgrade on DM, but Diaby etc and so on.

Even though I think we are stronger that last year, the competition hasn't stood still. So after a promising start to the transfer window I feel that we are where we usually end up; a very good team that's a quality player or two short of the biggest competition. Anyway I would love for the team to make me eat my words. COYG.
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Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on September 03, 2014, 08:55:26 AM
So Arsenal's valuation of Wellbeck is equal to Liverpool's valuation of Balotelli?  Interesting.  Brilliant piece ah business by United, if true.

And also similar to Remy's valuation as well.  Go figure
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Post by: doc on September 03, 2014, 09:41:34 AM
Maths is maths, English is english.... this football management  ;D ... and may not add up...  :beermug:
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 07, 2014, 08:15:13 PM
People may compare the two prices (Balos/Welbeck) but Wenger made it clear he didn't have any interest whatsoever in Balotelli some weeks ago. It's also clear that 16M for Balotelli is a pretty cut price for a talent like that, probably due to the drama he brings. If Pool fans want to coast on Arsenal for replacing one nutcase with another that's their business. I'm not keen on Welbeck or the "English premium" but it is what it is. I don't think we needed another striker so it's neither here nor there to me. My only problem with the window is the lack of defensive signings.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 07, 2014, 08:21:13 PM
So Arsenal's valuation of Wellbeck is equal to Liverpool's valuation of Balotelli?  Interesting.  Brilliant piece ah business by United, if true.

And also similar to Remy's valuation as well.  Go figure
Remy linked to Arsenal since Thy Kingdom Come. Wenger is clearly not interested for whatever reason.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 13, 2014, 09:15:28 AM
Very good game. City threw the kitchen sink at us after Debuchy's injury (bad sprain according to Wenger). Team still weak in the air. Pity Welbeck hit the post but then City did twice late in the game. When Arsenal finally click they will be scary good. A draw was deserved.
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Post by: asylumseeker on September 13, 2014, 02:21:50 PM
Very good game. City threw the kitchen sink at us after Debuchy's injury (bad sprain according to Wenger). Team still weak in the air. Pity Welbeck hit the post but then City did twice late in the game. When Arsenal finally click they will be scary good. A draw was deserved.

... dahis a conclusion excluding any analysis of defensive frailties?
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Post by: Dinner Mints on September 13, 2014, 03:25:20 PM
... dahis a conclusion excluding any analysis of defensive frailties?
They had one of the top defences for past two seasons. Doh mind they leak goals in some important games. Overall, their defence has been one of the tightest in the prem. If the team starts clicking, I'm assuming that includes the defence clicking too.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 14, 2014, 01:56:17 AM
Very good game. City threw the kitchen sink at us after Debuchy's injury (bad sprain according to Wenger). Team still weak in the air. Pity Welbeck hit the post but then City did twice late in the game. When Arsenal finally click they will be scary good. A draw was deserved.

... dahis a conclusion excluding any analysis of defensive frailties?

I mentioned the aerial weakness and City hitting the post twice didn't I?
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Post by: asylumseeker on September 19, 2014, 03:37:24 AM
Very good game. City threw the kitchen sink at us after Debuchy's injury (bad sprain according to Wenger). Team still weak in the air. Pity Welbeck hit the post but then City did twice late in the game. When Arsenal finally click they will be scary good. A draw was deserved.

... dahis a conclusion excluding any analysis of defensive frailties?

I mentioned the aerial weakness and City hitting the post twice didn't I?

... didn't find that comprehensive.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 20, 2014, 01:59:34 PM
Very good game. City threw the kitchen sink at us after Debuchy's injury (bad sprain according to Wenger). Team still weak in the air. Pity Welbeck hit the post but then City did twice late in the game. When Arsenal finally click they will be scary good. A draw was deserved.

... dahis a conclusion excluding any analysis of defensive frailties?

I mentioned the aerial weakness and City hitting the post twice didn't I?

... didn't find that comprehensive.

I didn't realise I needed to be comprehensive in 6 sentences...

 ;D
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 20, 2014, 02:04:19 PM
Good win today. Özil and Welbeck finally saying something. Very controlled performance. Hope it can continue. Spuds and Chel$ki next. COYG!
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Post by: asylumseeker on September 20, 2014, 09:08:53 PM
Very good game. City threw the kitchen sink at us after Debuchy's injury (bad sprain according to Wenger). Team still weak in the air. Pity Welbeck hit the post but then City did twice late in the game. When Arsenal finally click they will be scary good. A draw was deserved.

... dahis a conclusion excluding any analysis of defensive frailties?

I mentioned the aerial weakness and City hitting the post twice didn't I?

... didn't find that comprehensive.

I didn't realise I needed to be comprehensive in 6 sentences...

 ;D


Oh, ho! ... So no deliberate blindness?  :devil:  :beermug:
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 21, 2014, 02:44:25 AM
Very good game. City threw the kitchen sink at us after Debuchy's injury (bad sprain according to Wenger). Team still weak in the air. Pity Welbeck hit the post but then City did twice late in the game. When Arsenal finally click they will be scary good. A draw was deserved.

... dahis a conclusion excluding any analysis of defensive frailties?

I mentioned the aerial weakness and City hitting the post twice didn't I?

... didn't find that comprehensive.

I didn't realise I needed to be comprehensive in 6 sentences...

 ;D


Oh, ho! ... So no deliberate blindness?  :devil:  :beermug:

Tell you what, next time I'll write an essay detailing every single flaw in Arsenal's game and none of the positive bits. That way when I mention negative parts you'll know I'm being balanced. :beermug:
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 27, 2014, 12:56:18 PM
Disappointing. We should have buried our chances. Kaboul and Lloris are too good to be playing for Sp*rs.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 01, 2014, 01:46:10 PM
Welbeck 3 goals in 4 games. Is it too early to point this out to the Liverpool fans who were coasting about us paying for Welbeck as much as they paid for Balotelli? :devil:
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 01, 2014, 02:07:11 PM
4 in 4!  :wavetowel:
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 01, 2014, 02:24:27 PM
Szczesny and he nonsense again yes! 4-1 and red card. Lock this game down and rest yuh stars please Wenger!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 01, 2014, 02:49:10 PM
Good win. Chelsea next. Tough game!
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Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on October 01, 2014, 03:14:36 PM
cutass book Sunday so doh watch.  Cah say ah din warn yuh
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 01, 2014, 06:20:47 PM
cutass book Sunday so doh watch.  Cah say ah din warn yuh

We will see.
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Post by: asylumseeker on October 04, 2014, 03:44:56 PM
In 18 years at Arsenal, Arsene Wenger has played 23 players just once in the League. Who can name them? One of the names should ring a bell twice.
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Post by: FF on October 04, 2014, 03:54:15 PM
Gavin Hoyte is one.
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Post by: asylumseeker on October 04, 2014, 05:17:24 PM
In 18 years at Arsenal, Arsene Wenger has played 23 players just once in the League. Who can name them? One of the names should ring a bell twice.

Gavin Hoyte is one.

Correct.

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Post by: lefty on October 05, 2014, 12:32:20 PM
(http://www.7amkickoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/jose-smile.jpg)(http://www.ronaldo7.net/news/archive/cristiano-ronaldo-415-jose-mourinho-smiling-at-real-madrid-bench-wearing-a-black-vest-2011-2012.jpg)(http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/40/590x/jose-397500.jpg)
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 05, 2014, 07:48:29 PM
Pity. A stupid penalty and a counterattack goal. Attack will get better. Theo coming back for the next game. The big teams can stop one of our big goal threats but not two (or three when Ramsey returns).
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Post by: lefty on October 05, 2014, 09:55:42 PM
Pity. A stupid penalty and a counterattack goal. Attack will get better. Theo coming back for the next game. The big teams can stop one of our big goal threats but not two (or three when Ramsey returns).

big talk ...........we go see.......but the trend of not winning d big games continues from last season, right now chelsea in good nick, man u now ketchin deyself, man city pickin up some consistency, but while pool and everton shakey, any one of swansea, southampton and few others have in dem to poison ah "big side" so................. :yellowcard:
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Post by: Bitter on October 05, 2014, 10:12:57 PM
Allyuh getting better - only get 2 this time. 2016 for sure Arsene will get a win vs mourinho - in mma  ;D
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 05, 2014, 10:53:23 PM
Pity. A stupid penalty and a counterattack goal. Attack will get better. Theo coming back for the next game. The big teams can stop one of our big goal threats but not two (or three when Ramsey returns).

big talk ...........we go see.......but the trend of not winning d big games continues from last season, right now chelsea in good nick, man u now ketchin deyself, man city pickin up some consistency, but while pool and everton shakey, any one of swansea, southampton and few others have in dem to poison ah "big side" so................. :yellowcard:

Yeah. We need more than one major goal threat in the big games. Can't rely only on Alexis. Walcott is a 20 goal a season player when fit. So is Ramsey (if he retains his form). Big teams can shut one of them down but not two or three. We go see. When I saw Wilshere and Welbeck getting through for one on ones I knew they weren't going to score. Need our deadly finishers back.

United not getting anywhere with that defence. Top 4 is out of their reach. They are now what Spurs used to be. Great going forward but liable to fold up at the back.
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Post by: Marcos on October 09, 2014, 11:53:08 AM
Ozil out for several weeks it seems. But hopefully Walcott is back soon
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Post by: Bitter on October 18, 2014, 08:32:46 AM
Dominating the game, tied b/c of a missed foul call.
Typical Arsenal.
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Post by: elan on October 22, 2014, 02:31:14 PM
Poison from Andy Najar.
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Post by: Bitter on October 22, 2014, 03:25:15 PM
Poison from Andy Najar. Gibbs and Podolski
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Post by: grimm01 on October 22, 2014, 09:49:02 PM
A smash and grab from the Arsenal. Well points is points...
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on November 03, 2014, 10:56:46 PM
3 wins in a row going into the home game v Anderlecht. Sanchez in great form, Walcott back on the pitch. Attack finally starting to take shape. Liking what I see. I feel like 2nd is in reach. With the start Chelsea had we will have to hope for some luck on that front.
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Post by: lefty on November 04, 2014, 07:41:11 AM
3 wins in a row going into the home game v Anderlecht. Sanchez in great form, Walcott back on the pitch. Attack finally starting to take shape. Liking what I see. I feel like 2nd is in reach. With the start Chelsea had we will have to hope for some luck on that front.
alyuh have to real play and southampton looks up to it, swansea on their day can take points of ah people, everton, man city, pool blah blah.......it eh goin and be no cake walk bro.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on November 04, 2014, 12:01:38 PM
3 wins in a row going into the home game v Anderlecht. Sanchez in great form, Walcott back on the pitch. Attack finally starting to take shape. Liking what I see. I feel like 2nd is in reach. With the start Chelsea had we will have to hope for some luck on that front.
alyuh have to real play and southampton looks up to it, swansea on their day can take points of ah people, everton, man city, pool blah blah.......it eh goin and be no cake walk bro.

Never said it would. Everybody can take points off everybody else. That includes Arsenal.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on November 05, 2014, 10:33:12 AM
For all the people fighting down Arteta we STILL ent figure out how to play without him yes!
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Post by: lefty on November 05, 2014, 11:54:43 AM
alyuh surrender ah 3 goal lead on home turf no less.....look sharp manu might jus pip alyuh.......for ah CL spot nex' year.....alyuh have games to lose, if yesterday was anyting to go by
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: lefty on November 09, 2014, 11:59:30 AM
alyuh surrender ah 3 goal lead on home turf no less.....look sharp manu might jus pip alyuh.......for ah CL spot nex' year.....alyuh have games to lose, if yesterday was anyting to go by

I ress mih case :P
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on November 10, 2014, 11:04:49 PM
alyuh surrender ah 3 goal lead on home turf no less.....look sharp manu might jus pip alyuh.......for ah CL spot nex' year.....alyuh have games to lose, if yesterday was anyting to go by

I ress mih case :P

After two defeats? Ok then. The season is long and we will still be there. Walcott (fully fit), Koscielny, Ozil and Debuchy still to return to the side.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on November 10, 2014, 11:06:35 PM
alyuh surrender ah 3 goal lead on home turf no less.....look sharp manu might jus pip alyuh.......for ah CL spot nex' year.....alyuh have games to lose, if yesterday was anyting to go by

Man U defence worse than Arsenal's. And we still have good defenders to come back from injury, unlike them. We struggling now with all the players missing but that won't last.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: lefty on November 11, 2014, 02:21:08 AM
alyuh surrender ah 3 goal lead on home turf no less.....look sharp manu might jus pip alyuh.......for ah CL spot nex' year.....alyuh have games to lose, if yesterday was anyting to go by

Man U defence worse than Arsenal's. And we still have good defenders to come back from injury, unlike them. We struggling now with all the players missing but that won't last.

d irony is I have gunner friends in london who tink arsenal biggest problem is wenger
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on November 14, 2014, 05:28:48 PM
alyuh surrender ah 3 goal lead on home turf no less.....look sharp manu might jus pip alyuh.......for ah CL spot nex' year.....alyuh have games to lose, if yesterday was anyting to go by

Man U defence worse than Arsenal's. And we still have good defenders to come back from injury, unlike them. We struggling now with all the players missing but that won't last.

d irony is I have gunner friends in london who tink arsenal biggest problem is wenger

Possibly. I think it's the ridiculous number of injuries.
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Post by: lefty on November 14, 2014, 05:34:32 PM
alyuh surrender ah 3 goal lead on home turf no less.....look sharp manu might jus pip alyuh.......for ah CL spot nex' year.....alyuh have games to lose, if yesterday was anyting to go by

Man U defence worse than Arsenal's. And we still have good defenders to come back from injury, unlike them. We struggling now with all the players missing but that won't last.

d irony is I have gunner friends in london who tink arsenal biggest problem is wenger

Possibly. I think it's the ridiculous number of injuries.

yes because of d small squad backup wise
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Post by: lefty on November 22, 2014, 02:21:56 PM
alyuh have games to lose,

Man U defence worse than Arsenal's. And we still have good defenders to come back from injury, unlike them. We struggling now with all the players missing but that won't last.

u were sayin.................what happens with southampton over d next few weeks goh be tellin
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Post by: D.H.W on November 22, 2014, 06:21:24 PM
Shithounds
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on November 23, 2014, 12:39:56 AM
alyuh have games to lose,

Man U defence worse than Arsenal's. And we still have good defenders to come back from injury, unlike them. We struggling now with all the players missing but that won't last.

u were sayin.................what happens with southampton over d next few weeks goh be tellin

Boy, United were INCREDIBLY lucky to get anything from that game. Arsenal rained shots on them and only one went in. They have two shots on target to Arsenal's 9 and only one scores for both sides. You cannot plan for that. Just fantastic luck for United. Arsenal did everything right but the finishing and a ridiculous own goal. Sometimes you just have a day where everything goes wrong. It sucks but they were completely outplayed and managed to ratch a win when they should have been utterly crushed. Real hard luck.
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Post by: lefty on November 23, 2014, 04:46:30 AM
alyuh have games to lose,

Man U defence worse than Arsenal's. And we still have good defenders to come back from injury, unlike them. We struggling now with all the players missing but that won't last.

u were sayin.................what happens with southampton over d next few weeks goh be tellin

Boy, United were INCREDIBLY lucky to get anything from that game. Arsenal rained shots on them and only one went in. They have two shots on target to Arsenal's 9 and only one scores for both sides. You cannot plan for that. Just fantastic luck for United. Arsenal did everything right but the finishing and a ridiculous own goal. Sometimes you just have a day where everything goes wrong. It sucks but they were completely outplayed and managed to ratch a win when they should have been utterly crushed. Real hard luck.

but ah win is ah win is ah win..................if southampton gets points over d next few weeks(villa, man C, gunners, man U), d true state of dey challenge will be either confirmed as......"real deal" or simply "best of the rest"............yes ah realize we still ind first half d season, but momentum is ah hell of a thing
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on November 26, 2014, 06:09:12 PM
Let's hope the shambles ends now.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on December 06, 2014, 10:28:59 AM
This Arsenal - Stoke game is madness.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 06, 2014, 02:52:35 PM
This Arsenal - Stoke game is madness.

Boy! This was the most makeshift, ramshackle defence I have seen Arsenal play since we lost 8-2 at Old Trafford. Bellerin, Chambers and a clearly not fit Gibbs. What a mess! We need Kos back NOW!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 11, 2014, 10:24:15 AM
alyuh have games to lose,

Man U defence worse than Arsenal's. And we still have good defenders to come back from injury, unlike them. We struggling now with all the players missing but that won't last.

u were sayin.................what happens with southampton over d next few weeks goh be tellin

Boy, United were INCREDIBLY lucky to get anything from that game. Arsenal rained shots on them and only one went in. They have two shots on target to Arsenal's 9 and only one scores for both sides. You cannot plan for that. Just fantastic luck for United. Arsenal did everything right but the finishing and a ridiculous own goal. Sometimes you just have a day where everything goes wrong. It sucks but they were completely outplayed and managed to ratch a win when they should have been utterly crushed. Real hard luck.

but ah win is ah win is ah win..................if southampton gets points over d next few weeks(villa, man C, gunners, man U), d true state of dey challenge will be either confirmed as......"real deal" or simply "best of the rest"............yes ah realize we still ind first half d season, but momentum is ah hell of a thing

Southampton like they just fold up yes! Debuchy is back. Kos and Walcott back in the next few games, Ozil next month. Should be a nice run for us. Just hope we find some defensive depth in January!
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Post by: lefty on December 11, 2014, 10:35:59 AM
Southampton like they just fold up yes! Debuchy is back. Kos and Walcott back in the next few games, Ozil next month. Should be a nice run for us. Just hope we find some defensive depth in January!

looking so,.....dey doh seem to have d nerve to take on d big boys........previous to these losses d other 2 was against "top sides"

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Post by: Spursy on December 13, 2014, 03:07:39 PM
Arsenal beat Newcastle, Burnley shock Saints
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Olivier Giroud and Santi Cazorla both scored twice as Arsenal closed back up on the English Premier League's top four with a 4-1 win over Newcastle United at the Emirates Stadium. ArseGiroud powered in a header on 15 minutes and, after Danny Welbeck had seen a goal perhaps harshly disallowed, birthday boy Cazorla made it 2-0 at the start of the second half with a neat chip.

Giroud then produced another fine left-footed finish at the near post, and after Ayoze Perez had reduced the deficit, Cazorla clipped home a late penalty as the feel-good factor returned for Wenger's side after the fall-out from their defeat at Stoke City.

Premier League leaders Chelsea returned to winning ways with a 2-0 victory over ten-man Hull City at Stamford Bridge. Eden Hazard put the Blues ahead with his eighth goal of the season before Tom Huddlestone was dismissed for a reckless studs-up challenge on Filipe Luis.

Diego Costa scored his first goal in five games to seal the win, which comes a week after Chelsea lost their unbeaten record at Newcastle United. Jose Mourinho's men remain three points clear of Manchester City, who beat Leicester City 1-0 thanks to Frank Lampard's 175th Premier League goal.

Manuel Pellegrini spoke this week about his desire to extend Lampard's loan deal with the champions and he delivered his manager three points at the King Power Stadium after turning home Samir Nasri's cross from close range. The goal means Lampard is now the joint-fourth highest scorer in Premier League history alongside Thierry Henry.

Craig Gardner came back to haunt his old club Aston Villa as West Bromwich Albion came out on top in the West Midlands derby at the Hawthorns. Gardner, who spent five seasons at Villa, scored a 72nd minute-winner to ease the pressure on Baggies boss Alan Irvine.

Burnley hauled themselves out of the bottom three with a vital 1-0 win over Southampton at the Turf Moor. Burnley goalkeeper Tom Heaton saved Dusan Tadic's penalty on the hour and 12 minutes later Ashley Barnes converted Danny Ings' pass to move the Clarets up to 17th in the table.

At the Stadium of Light West Ham United's Stewart Downing scored his third goal of the season to deny Sunderland a crucial victory. The Black Cats had gone ahead through a Jordi Gomez penalty, but Downing equalised in the 29th minute to leave the scores level at 1-1.

In the other fixture of the day Peter Crouch cancelled out James McArthur's opener as Stoke drew 1-1 with Crystal Palace at Selhurst Park.

Link: http://www.fifa.com/world-match-centre/nationalleagues/nationalleague=england-premier-league-2000000000/news/newsid/249/192/4/index.html
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Post by: lefty on December 15, 2014, 11:11:05 AM
Man U defence worse than Arsenal's. And we still have good defenders to come back from injury, unlike them. We struggling now with all the players missing but that won't last.

d irony of this and d stats jus make mih laff ::)

                 P    W    D    L     GF    GA    GD    PTS
Man United    16    9    4    3     29    17    12    31
Arsenal    16    7    5    4     28    19    9      26   
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Post by: Spursy on December 18, 2014, 12:33:36 PM
Walcott could make return at Anfield
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Arsenal forward Theo Walcott could make a long-awaited return to action at Liverpool on Sunday. Manager Arsene Wenger revealed the 25-year-old, who has made just two appearances this season following recovery from a long-term knee injury, is set to resume full training after a groin problem suffered while on international duty with England.

While Wenger will take no chances on Walcott's rehabilitation, the imminent availability of the jet-heeled forward will come as a welcome boost ahead of the hectic Christmas schedule, which could also see both defender Nacho Monreal and Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain shake off their fitness problems.

"There is a slight chance of (Nacho) Monreal being available and a very slight chance for Walcott. We hope that Oxlade-Chamberlain will be fit. We will see that on Saturday," Wenger told Arsenal Player. "He (Walcott) is back in training today (Thursday), but only today. I might take him (to Liverpool), I don't know yet until he is back to full training. Let's see."

Oxlade-Chamberlain limped out of the closing stages of Arsenal's 4-1 English Premier League win over Newcastle United last weekend with a groin problem which the club hope will prove to be minor. "That's what we'll see on Saturday after a test. He is not in training at the moment," Wenger said.

Arsenal playmaker Mesut Ozil is another who is stepping up his rehabilitation, having been out since the defeat at Chelsea on 5 October because of a knee problem. Wenger confirmed both goalkeeper David Ospina and midfielder Tomas Rosicky are also close to being available again following their respective thigh problems.

However, captain Mikel Arteta (calf), midfielder Aaron Ramsey (hamstring) and centre-back Laurent Koscielny (calf) are still out, but "progressing as planned", according to the Gunners boss. Arsenal will be looking to remain within striking distance of the top four with a positive result at Anfield to continue their upturn in form, which has seen five wins from six across all competitions.

The knock-out stages of the UEFA Champions League await Arsenal, who have been paired with Monaco, the French club where Wenger made his name as a young coach.

Wenger won the French Ligue 1 title in 1988 and the Coupe de France in 1991, as well as reaching the European Cup Winners' Cup final and then the semi-finals of the Champions League in 1994, and went on to have a spell managing in Japan before being a surprise choice for the Arsenal job in October 1996.

He has never since faced Monaco in a competitive fixture, and is looking forward to his return to the Stade Louis II stadium for the second leg of the tie in March next year.

"We had very few chances to get Monaco and I think it's a strange coincidence in life because I have spent 25 years of my life at Monaco and Arsenal together, so it's a little bit like my life meets my life," the 65-year-old said. "It is good as well because I go back to basically where I started.

"I have never [been back], because I was always very busy and since I have been here in England we have played every three days basically throughout the whole season. I have been back to the city a few times but never to the stadium."

Monaco were considered one of the weaker seeds, having come through Group C ahead of Bayer Leverkusen but scored just four goals - two of those coming in the final tie with Zenit St. Petersburg.

"Overall it is an opportunity for us to get through to the quarter-final," said Wenger, whose side were knocked out of Europe by Bayern Munich in the past two seasons.

"Having said that, Monaco is a tough draw because they have come top out of a very tough group and that means it is a signal for us to be ready to meet a tough team who defend very well and are very quick on counter-attacks. We need a good defensive performance against them."
http://www.fifa.com/world-match-centre/nationalleagues/nationalleague=england-premier-league-2000000000/news/newsid/249/443/6/index.html (http://www.fifa.com/world-match-centre/nationalleagues/nationalleague=england-premier-league-2000000000/news/newsid/249/443/6/index.html)
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Post by: asylumseeker on December 25, 2014, 07:48:51 PM
Who's the little guy? He's Fun to Watch ... He's a Lil Pitbull

https://www.youtube.com/v/dPczMiM43_c
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Post by: asylumseeker on December 25, 2014, 07:55:14 PM
Kevin Costner is a Gooner

https://www.youtube.com/v/9md1EYtDJc0
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 28, 2014, 08:47:39 AM
Man U defence worse than Arsenal's. And we still have good defenders to come back from injury, unlike them. We struggling now with all the players missing but that won't last.

d irony of this and d stats jus make mih laff ::)

                 P    W    D    L     GF    GA    GD    PTS
Man United    16    9    4    3     29    17    12    31
Arsenal    16    7    5    4     28    19    9      26   

We conceded 2 goals more with more injuries in defence. Not like is a big difference. Not enough to be considered "ironic".

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irony (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irony)
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Post by: lefty on December 28, 2014, 10:18:22 AM
Man U defence worse than Arsenal's. And we still have good defenders to come back from injury, unlike them. We struggling now with all the players missing but that won't last.

d irony of this and d stats jus make mih laff ::)

                 P    W    D    L     GF    GA    GD    PTS
Man United    16    9    4    3     29    17    12    31
Arsenal    16    7    5    4     28    19    9      26   

We conceded 2 goals more with more injuries in defence. Not like is a big difference. Not enough to be considered "ironic".

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irony (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irony)

dread it is, 2 goals worst off is still by definition worst off.....given your pronouncements, AND given the mere fact that Manu has built a fairly comfortable hold on third place, while arsenal hasn't tasted top 4 in how long now ??? ::) the argument more than stands up..............come on now :shameonyou:
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 28, 2014, 11:11:25 AM
Man U defence worse than Arsenal's. And we still have good defenders to come back from injury, unlike them. We struggling now with all the players missing but that won't last.

d irony of this and d stats jus make mih laff ::)

                 P    W    D    L     GF    GA    GD    PTS
Man United    16    9    4    3     29    17    12    31
Arsenal    16    7    5    4     28    19    9      26   

We conceded 2 goals more with more injuries in defence. Not like is a big difference. Not enough to be considered "ironic".

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irony (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irony)

dread it is, 2 goals worst off is still by definition worst off.....given your pronouncements, AND given the mere fact that Manu has built a fairly comfortable hold on third place, while arsenal hasn't tasted top 4 in how long now ??? ::) the argument more than stands up..............come on now :shameonyou:

LOL! A lil 2 mingy goals and you coassin! Not that comfortable. 3 points. We have Walcott, Ozil and Giroud to come back. and we tied on points with Southampton in 4th, who are our next game. Why should I be ashamed? We could be 4th by new years day.
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Post by: lefty on December 28, 2014, 11:40:45 AM
LOL! A lil 2 mingy goals and you coassin! Not that comfortable. 3 points. We have Walcott, Ozil and Giroud to come back. and we tied on points with Southampton in 4th, who are our next game. Why should I be ashamed? We could be 4th by new years day.

d bold overstatements and understatements boss ..................plus manu continues to progress in bits and pieces while arsenal can ominously loose to anyone at anytime this season......alyuh gettin "surprised" this season too often for alyuh own good........tell mih ah lie nah!

edit look what burnley jus do vs Man city.....alyuh have more "surprises" comin

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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 28, 2014, 12:53:36 PM
LOL! A lil 2 mingy goals and you coassin! Not that comfortable. 3 points. We have Walcott, Ozil and Giroud to come back. and we tied on points with Southampton in 4th, who are our next game. Why should I be ashamed? We could be 4th by new years day.

d bold overstatements and understatements boss ..................plus manu continues to progress in bits and pieces while arsenal can ominously loose to anyone at anytime this season......alyuh gettin "surprised" this season too often for alyuh own good........tell mih ah lie nah!

edit look what burnley jus do vs Man city.....alyuh have more "surprises" comin



Anyone can lose to anyone. Ent Leicester surprise United? We lose one more game than allyuh. How bold do I have to be? Koscielny, Arsenal's best defender, now come back and Ozil and Walcott, two of our best attackers will be back soon. In fact Theo was on the bench today. And we beat Burnley 3-0. We progressing in bits and pieces too.
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Post by: Bourbon on December 28, 2014, 01:13:42 PM
Third to last game of the season is Arsenal vs Manchester United. Might be pivotal in determining at least one team's fate.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 28, 2014, 01:16:54 PM
Third to last game of the season is Arsenal vs Manchester United. Might be pivotal in determining at least one team's fate.

Could be. I think both will make top 4. My only question is in what order.
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Post by: lefty on December 28, 2014, 03:55:08 PM
Third to last game of the season is Arsenal vs Manchester United. Might be pivotal in determining at least one team's fate.

Could be. I think both will make top 4. My only question is in what order.

dis is all I arguin...... not to long ago u dismiss dat right off d the bat as impossible for man u, I is not ah manu fan by the way...............jus find dismissing dem was folly on your part, which u did
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 28, 2014, 06:52:33 PM
Third to last game of the season is Arsenal vs Manchester United. Might be pivotal in determining at least one team's fate.

Could be. I think both will make top 4. My only question is in what order.

dis is all I arguin...... not to long ago u dismiss dat right off d the bat as impossible for man u, I is not ah manu fan by the way...............jus find dismissing dem was folly on your part, which u did

I am surprised they getting anywhere with that defence. Seemed reasonable enough to expect they wouldn't make it. De Gea has been much better this season and he pull them out of many games (Arsenal and Liverpool for example) when they really shoulda get licks.

Thought you were a Man U fan given the string of conversation. Apologies.
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Post by: lefty on December 28, 2014, 07:17:27 PM
I am surprised they getting anywhere with that defence. Seemed reasonable enough to expect they wouldn't make it. De Gea has been much better this season and he pull them out of many games (Arsenal and Liverpool for example) when they really shoulda get licks.

I hear yuh but given what I seen of Van gaal, I not going and write he off jus so



Thought you were a Man U fan given the string of conversation. Apologies
I does back d blue side of london mih boy



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Post by: Spursy on December 30, 2014, 02:27:56 PM
Arsenal starlet Gedion Zelalem receives US citizenship, plans on committing to American cause
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As United States national team fans found out Monday evening, sometimes the best Christmas presents come late.

According to a report from the Washington Post‘s Steve Goff, 17-year-old Arsenal starlet Gedion Zelalem, who spent his formative years in Maryland before making the move to the English Premier League giants, has gained US citizenship and is now eligible to represent the United States in international competition.

Zelalem is also eligible to represent Germany and Ethiopia, but Goff cited sources who said the teenager has told friends and U.S. officials that he plans on committing to the American cause. He moved to the US at age nine before jumping across the pond at 16 to join the Gunners.
Should Zelalem receive FIFA approval, he would become one of the brightest young prospects in the American talent pool, with an opportunity to represent the US at the 2016 Olympic Games on the horizon as well as a looming introduction to Jurgen Klinsmann’s senior team.

Though he’s mostly played for Arsenal’s youth teams to go along with first-team cameos in the FA Cup and Champions League, Zelalem’s managed to build a reputation as one of the brightest attacking talents in Europe despite the lack of a league appearance.

That honor will come according to Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger, who signed Zelalem to his first professional contract in March and says what the midfielder currently lacks in frame, he makes up for in technical ability and awareness.
“He is a player with a good eye and good technique and is very agile,” Wenger told SI.com in July. “He has the ambition to find the ball on the field. So he's the kind of player who could be of use to the United States. He's in some ways the type of player the U.S. was missing in the World Cup.”

Of course, it remains to be seen whether Zelalem will realize that vast potential, but after months of speculation about his international future, it seems US fans can rest easy knowing the talented teenager is set to wear red, white and blue.
 http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2014/12/30/report-arsenal-starlet-gedion-zelalem-receives-us-citizenship-plans-committi (http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2014/12/30/report-arsenal-starlet-gedion-zelalem-receives-us-citizenship-plans-committi)
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Post by: asylumseeker on January 01, 2015, 09:55:07 AM
Tsk, tsk, tsk ... Arsenal is not skipping a beat in being poor defensively.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on January 01, 2015, 11:43:28 PM
Tsk, tsk, tsk ... Arsenal is not skipping a beat in being poor defensively.

Shezz and Kos had an uncharacteristically bad day. It happens. But with a totally makeshift central midfield we really have no proper attacking threat against the best defence in the league. I don't see Arsenal buying a world class central midfielder in January (I don't think any are available) but this team crying out for one.
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Post by: Zeppo on January 01, 2015, 11:58:55 PM
Arsenal starlet Gedion Zelalem receives US citizenship, plans on committing to American cause
(http://www.mlssoccer.com/sites/league/files/imagecache/620x350/image_nodes/2014/01/zelalem.jpg)
As United States national team fans found out Monday evening, sometimes the best Christmas presents come late.

According to a report from the Washington Post‘s Steve Goff, 17-year-old Arsenal starlet Gedion Zelalem, who spent his formative years in Maryland before making the move to the English Premier League giants, has gained US citizenship and is now eligible to represent the United States in international competition.

Zelalem is also eligible to represent Germany and Ethiopia, but Goff cited sources who said the teenager has told friends and U.S. officials that he plans on committing to the American cause. He moved to the US at age nine before jumping across the pond at 16 to join the Gunners.
Should Zelalem receive FIFA approval, he would become one of the brightest young prospects in the American talent pool, with an opportunity to represent the US at the 2016 Olympic Games on the horizon as well as a looming introduction to Jurgen Klinsmann’s senior team.

Though he’s mostly played for Arsenal’s youth teams to go along with first-team cameos in the FA Cup and Champions League, Zelalem’s managed to build a reputation as one of the brightest attacking talents in Europe despite the lack of a league appearance.

That honor will come according to Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger, who signed Zelalem to his first professional contract in March and says what the midfielder currently lacks in frame, he makes up for in technical ability and awareness.
“He is a player with a good eye and good technique and is very agile,” Wenger told SI.com in July. “He has the ambition to find the ball on the field. So he's the kind of player who could be of use to the United States. He's in some ways the type of player the U.S. was missing in the World Cup.”

Of course, it remains to be seen whether Zelalem will realize that vast potential, but after months of speculation about his international future, it seems US fans can rest easy knowing the talented teenager is set to wear red, white and blue.
 http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2014/12/30/report-arsenal-starlet-gedion-zelalem-receives-us-citizenship-plans-committi (http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2014/12/30/report-arsenal-starlet-gedion-zelalem-receives-us-citizenship-plans-committi)

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Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: lefty on January 03, 2015, 01:51:10 PM
Tsk, tsk, tsk ... Arsenal is not skipping a beat in being poor defensively.

Shezz and Kos had an uncharacteristically bad day. It happens. But with a totally makeshift central midfield we really have no proper attacking threat against the best defence in the league. I don't see Arsenal buying a world class central midfielder in January (I don't think any are available) but this team crying out for one.

arsenal string of CL qualification great escapes maybe at an end..........dat fourth place going and be a tussling dog fight.......it jus have too many teams dis year dat can simply put, jus beat arsenal.....and by dat I mean u can almost predict the teams dat will beat dem.....to d point dat yuh doh even be surprised when it happen................ knew swans would, knew Southampton would.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on January 03, 2015, 02:43:44 PM
Tsk, tsk, tsk ... Arsenal is not skipping a beat in being poor defensively.

Shezz and Kos had an uncharacteristically bad day. It happens. But with a totally makeshift central midfield we really have no proper attacking threat against the best defence in the league. I don't see Arsenal buying a world class central midfielder in January (I don't think any are available) but this team crying out for one.

arsenal string of CL qualification great escapes maybe at an end..........dat fourth place going and be a tussling dog fight.......it jus have too many teams dis year dat can simply put, jus beat arsenal.....and by dat I mean u can almost predict the teams dat will beat dem.....to d point dat yuh doh even be surprised when it happen................ knew swans would, knew Southampton would.


Every year for the last 10 years they say Arsenal not making top 4 but every year they do. We beat Southampton at home, lost away. Last year when Everton beat us away they said the saaaame thing. And our best players still to come back. I does smile when people say Arsenal not making top 4. I waiting for them to say it in the media. That way I know we making it.

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Half the season left to play. Not nearly time to worry about top 4 yet.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on January 03, 2015, 02:52:55 PM
Podolski apparently loaned to Inter Milan. Waiting to see the official Arsenal.com announcement but looks very likely. The curse of the #9 shirt continues.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: lefty on January 03, 2015, 05:49:10 PM
Every year for the last 10 years they say Arsenal not making top 4 but every year they do. We beat Southampton at home, lost away. Last year when Everton beat us away they said the saaaame thing. And our best players still to come back. I does smile when people say Arsenal not making top 4. I waiting for them to say it in the media. That way I know we making it.

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Half the season left to play. Not nearly time to worry about top 4 yet.

nah mih boy dis year alyuh lookin especially shaky, goh take mih licks like ah man if ah wrong.....but last year arsenal was getting points dey losing dis year is not jus loses, is draws too......... this time last year alyuh was 1st on 42pts, alyuh actually had points to cushion dem now predictable bumps in d road alyuh does have  ..............checked back a few years this is d weakest start alyuh have in years and let d record show alyuh din' really start weak in d last few seasons.... dis year on d other hand 6th 7th and have racked up more loses and draws early in the season than before................stats tell ah story
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on January 03, 2015, 09:23:07 PM
Every year for the last 10 years they say Arsenal not making top 4 but every year they do. We beat Southampton at home, lost away. Last year when Everton beat us away they said the saaaame thing. And our best players still to come back. I does smile when people say Arsenal not making top 4. I waiting for them to say it in the media. That way I know we making it.

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Half the season left to play. Not nearly time to worry about top 4 yet.

nah mih boy dis year alyuh lookin especially shaky, goh take mih licks like ah man if ah wrong.....but last year arsenal was getting points dey losing dis year is not jus loses, is draws too......... this time last year alyuh was 1st on 42pts, alyuh actually had points to cushion dem now predictable bumps in d road alyuh does have  ..............checked back a few years this is d weakest start alyuh have in years and let d record show alyuh din' really start weak in d last few seasons.... dis year on d other hand 6th 7th and have racked up more loses and draws early in the season than before................stats tell ah story

They said we were looking especially shaky late last year and the year before too. We have had more bumps than usual. We will probably have less of them late in the season. Last season we had a fantastic start. But the two seasons before that we had very weak starts also. This season we looking to have a fantastic end with Walcott, Ozil and Ramsey returning from injury. 4 points out of 3rd in early January is nothing to be frightened about. Like I said, they have been talking this way for the last 10 years and it eh happen yet. 2 seasons ago we started February in 7th place.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: lefty on January 04, 2015, 01:36:06 AM

They said we were looking especially shaky late last year and the year before too. We have had more bumps than usual. We will probably have less of them late in the season. Last season we had a fantastic start. But the two seasons before that we had very weak starts also. This season we looking to have a fantastic end with Walcott, Ozil and Ramsey returning from injury. 4 points out of 3rd in early January is nothing to be frightened about. Like I said, they have been talking this way for the last 10 years and it eh happen yet. 2 seasons ago we started February in 7th place.

yeah but alyuh problem is dis year southampton doin what alyuh was doin last year, but better  beatin d rest of table and dey take point from chelsea and now from alyuh, unlike everton last year their challenge is very strong due to a generous fixture draw perhaps, but they have a solid defense and capable attack..........arsenal has been average in both this year
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: doc on January 04, 2015, 07:18:51 PM

They said we were looking especially shaky late last year and the year before too. We have had more bumps than usual. We will probably have less of them late in the season. Last season we had a fantastic start. But the two seasons before that we had very weak starts also. This season we looking to have a fantastic end with Walcott, Ozil and Ramsey returning from injury. 4 points out of 3rd in early January is nothing to be frightened about. Like I said, they have been talking this way for the last 10 years and it eh happen yet. 2 seasons ago we started February in 7th place.

yeah but alyuh problem is dis year southampton doin what alyuh was doin last year, but better  beatin d rest of table and dey take point from chelsea and now from alyuh, unlike everton last year their challenge is very strong due to a generous fixture draw perhaps, but they have a solid defense and capable attack..........arsenal has been average in both this year
Is capable attack the same as average attack?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: lefty on January 04, 2015, 09:10:47 PM
Is capable attack the same as average attack?

by arsenal former standards dat would be no.....arsenals strength has been attack cyah defend worth ah damn at times, but could attack....seems more than a bit off this year
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on January 04, 2015, 10:55:01 PM

They said we were looking especially shaky late last year and the year before too. We have had more bumps than usual. We will probably have less of them late in the season. Last season we had a fantastic start. But the two seasons before that we had very weak starts also. This season we looking to have a fantastic end with Walcott, Ozil and Ramsey returning from injury. 4 points out of 3rd in early January is nothing to be frightened about. Like I said, they have been talking this way for the last 10 years and it eh happen yet. 2 seasons ago we started February in 7th place.

yeah but alyuh problem is dis year southampton doin what alyuh was doin last year, but better  beatin d rest of table and dey take point from chelsea and now from alyuh, unlike everton last year their challenge is very strong due to a generous fixture draw perhaps, but they have a solid defense and capable attack..........arsenal has been average in both this year

Our attack has scored as many as theirs, and missing all our big players at some point apart from Alexis. We still haven't seen Arsenal's full strength attack this season. Ozil, Giroud, Ramsey and Walcott have all missed most of the season so far. Plus the Southampton game was the first game our full starting defence played together all season. Both attack and defence will improve GREATLY. So I'm not worried. We will climb the table.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: lefty on January 05, 2015, 09:21:51 AM
Our attack has scored as many as theirs, and missing all our big players at some point apart from Alexis. We still haven't seen Arsenal's full strength attack this season. Ozil, Giroud, Ramsey and Walcott have all missed most of the season so far. Plus the Southampton game was the first game our full starting defence played together all season. Both attack and defence will improve GREATLY. So I'm not worried. We will climb the table.

at this stage improvement by itself may not be enough, on top of dat SH seem to be shakin off dey "big side" jitters, if dey continue to be best of the rest and get more "big side" points.....<-----arsenal's greatest weakness right now, dey could pip alyuh
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on January 05, 2015, 11:10:33 AM
Our attack has scored as many as theirs, and missing all our big players at some point apart from Alexis. We still haven't seen Arsenal's full strength attack this season. Ozil, Giroud, Ramsey and Walcott have all missed most of the season so far. Plus the Southampton game was the first game our full starting defence played together all season. Both attack and defence will improve GREATLY. So I'm not worried. We will climb the table.

at this stage improvement by itself may not be enough, on top of dat SH seem to be shakin off dey "big side" jitters, if dey continue to be best of the rest and get more "big side" points.....<-----arsenal's greatest weakness right now, dey could pip alyuh

Is SH going to be able to withstand Arsenal's improvement is a bigger question. Yes they could pip us. But I very much doubt it.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: lefty on January 05, 2015, 06:50:27 PM
Our attack has scored as many as theirs, and missing all our big players at some point apart from Alexis. We still haven't seen Arsenal's full strength attack this season. Ozil, Giroud, Ramsey and Walcott have all missed most of the season so far. Plus the Southampton game was the first game our full starting defence played together all season. Both attack and defence will improve GREATLY. So I'm not worried. We will climb the table.

at this stage improvement by itself may not be enough, on top of dat SH seem to be shakin off dey "big side" jitters, if dey continue to be best of the rest and get more "big side" points.....<-----arsenal's greatest weakness right now, dey could pip alyuh

Is SH going to be able to withstand Arsenal's improvement is a bigger question. Yes they could pip us. But I very much doubt it.

we'll see :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Deeks on January 11, 2015, 09:10:49 AM
Whet the goners fans. Allyuh beating up Stoke 3-0. Sanchis first goal was a beaut!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: lefty on January 11, 2015, 11:29:39 AM
Whet the goners fans. Allyuh beating up Stoke 3-0. Sanchis first goal was a beaut!

meanwhile Southampton leadin at Old Trafford
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: lefty on January 11, 2015, 12:05:56 PM
Whet the goners fans. Allyuh beating up Stoke 3-0. Sanchis first goal was a beaut!

meanwhile Southampton leadin at Old Trafford

and it's done...............if SH hold dey nerve to season's end, either Man U or arsenal eh playin no champions league ball nex' year....watch d ride
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on January 11, 2015, 07:53:17 PM
Whet the goners fans. Allyuh beating up Stoke 3-0. Sanchis first goal was a beaut!

meanwhile Southampton leadin at Old Trafford

and it's done...............if SH hold dey nerve to season's end, either Man U or arsenal eh playin no champions league ball nex' year....watch d ride

"If"

3 points between 3rd and 5th with 19 games to go. Not even close to time for worry.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: lefty on January 11, 2015, 09:13:57 PM
3 points and  goal dif of +20 alyuh still in a spot ah bother should it come to GD..................AND dey beatin and drawin with "big team" NOW..........arsenal as per usual eh beat ah "big team" for d season yet, lehwe leave everton and pool out since it clear dem goin and finish mid table

Arsenal:
win: -
loss: manu, chelsea
draw: manC 
Total 1 pnt

SH
win: manu, arsenal
draw: chelsea
loss: manu, arsenal
Total 7 pnts

diaz ah whole 6pnts better ,even if arsenal break dey big team blight and get some ah dat 9pnts remainin, it still have d hammers, swans, spurs, pools and evertons of d world dat capable of peein in alyuh cornflakes every now and then , there is no room for error.......none


and is 17 games left eh!

 
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on January 12, 2015, 02:36:16 PM
3 points and  goal dif of +20 alyuh still in a spot ah bother should it come to GD..................AND dey beatin and drawin with "big team" NOW..........arsenal as per usual eh beat ah "big team" for d season yet, lehwe leave everton and pool out since it clear dem goin and finish mid table

Arsenal:
win: -
loss: manu, chelsea
draw: manC 
Total 1 pnt

SH
win: manu, arsenal
draw: chelsea
loss: manu, arsenal
Total 7 pnts

diaz ah whole 6pnts better ,even if arsenal break dey big team blight and get some ah dat 9pnts remainin, it still have d hammers, swans, spurs, pools and evertons of d world dat capable of peein in alyuh cornflakes every now and then , there is no room for error.......none


and is 17 games left eh!

 

Ok. 17 games. Plenty time still.

Southampton could get pee in their cornflakes just as well. And could well lose to the remaining big teams. By the way, your comparison isn't really accurate since we are counted in theirs but you didn't count them in ours. So is only 3 points better. Which is the gap between us. And I don't think they will keep up that record. They probably will beat Newcastle this weekend while we face City but you never know. One point you overlooked from your analysis is they get poison by weaker sides more than we did. Is not only the big teams that you have to play.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: lefty on January 12, 2015, 03:37:15 PM
Ok. 17 games. Plenty time still.

Southampton could get pee in their cornflakes just as well.
true....but they have not necessary been out done by as many outside the top 8 or so

And could well lose to the remaining big teams.
true again........but they now may have greater confidence about getting results

By the way, your comparison isn't really accurate since we are counted in theirs but you didn't count them in ours. So is only 3 points better.
nope it was deliberate......they don't count in the context of "big team" points......they are surprise contenders

And I don't think they will keep up that record. They probably will beat Newcastle this weekend while we face City but you never know.
I have a feeling they will to an extent.......at least enough to make the last games of the season very interesting contests

One point you overlooked from your analysis is they get poison by weaker sides more than we did. Is not only the big teams that you have to play.
WHAT NAH!!!!!!..........arsenal have lost to stoke and swans....Southampton has  lost to burnley every other team on dat loss list are considered "good" (http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/clubs/profile.statistics.html/southampton) to varyin degrees.... doh come wit dat..........plus dem six draws alyuh rack up
u can either accept that as of NOW the stats are against your team......even if marginally.....or not........... but it is what it is and I am telling you, arsenal or ManU CL qualification chances are tied to the hip of Southampton fortunes for rest of this season ..........alyuh destiny not TOTALLY in alyuh hands no more
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on January 12, 2015, 11:50:07 PM
Ok. 17 games. Plenty time still.

Southampton could get pee in their cornflakes just as well.
true....but they have not necessary been out done by as many outside the top 8 or so

And could well lose to the remaining big teams.
true again........but they now may have greater confidence about getting results

By the way, your comparison isn't really accurate since we are counted in theirs but you didn't count them in ours. So is only 3 points better.
nope it was deliberate......they don't count in the context of "big team" points......they are surprise contenders

And I don't think they will keep up that record. They probably will beat Newcastle this weekend while we face City but you never know.
I have a feeling they will to an extent.......at least enough to make the last games of the season very interesting contests

One point you overlooked from your analysis is they get poison by weaker sides more than we did. Is not only the big teams that you have to play.
WHAT NAH!!!!!!..........arsenal have lost to stoke and swans....Southampton has  lost to burnley every other team on dat loss list are considered "good" (http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/clubs/profile.statistics.html/southampton) to varyin degrees.... doh come wit dat..........plus dem six draws alyuh rack up
u can either accept that as of NOW the stats are against your team......even if marginally.....or not........... but it is what it is and I am telling you, arsenal or ManU CL qualification chances are tied to the hip of Southampton fortunes for rest of this season ..........alyuh destiny not TOTALLY in alyuh hands no more

Those points are all speculation. They "may have greater confidence about getting results". What you think will happen to Arsenal with Alexis and Walcott running at defences supported by Ozil and Ramsey? That makes me feel pretty confident.

If they are only compared as "big team" points then that is not a real comparison. They in the mix, either they deserve to be counted or they don't. You can't have it both ways. That is just fitting the results to your argument.

We ALWAYS lose to Stoke away. That is our jumbie side. The only reason Southampton has any bearing on us is that they 3 points ahead. They won't score nearly as many goals as us. They may concede less but they still have points to drop. You may think we should be worried but, like I said, Arsenal will get better. MUCH better. I know to count on that. We already beat them in the league this season, and then they got lucky with 2 keeper errors.

Anyway Southampton is already doing as well as they can. With 17 games to go. So while I am grateful for your concern, I don't share it. And I don't think any rational Arsenal fan does either. Wait until they still 3 points ahead with 5 games to go. After the City game we have a couple less difficult fixtures and a nice run to put together. 3 points behind with 17 games to go and a better squad is no reason to be worried. Just need to realise we have work to do.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: lefty on January 13, 2015, 01:39:47 AM
best of luck pardner........still tink yuh not takin SH chances as seriously as u should......but say what  :beermug:.....................
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on January 13, 2015, 12:02:40 PM
best of luck pardner........still tink yuh not takin SH chances as seriously as u should......but say what  :beermug:.....................

I do. But I don't think we can't overtake them. People been writing off Arsenal from worse situations for years.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: lefty on January 13, 2015, 12:21:45 PM
best of luck pardner........still tink yuh not takin SH chances as seriously as u should......but say what  :beermug:.....................

I do. But I don't think we can't overtake them. People been writing off Arsenal from worse situations for years.

fair enough .....watch d ride
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: lefty on January 17, 2015, 01:41:47 PM
make alyuh self useful tomorrow for once in alyuh life nah....please and thanks
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on January 17, 2015, 02:43:23 PM
make alyuh self useful tomorrow for once in alyuh life nah....please and thanks

Do your own work and allyuh won't have to beg for favours. Especially a tough ask like beating City at home.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: lefty on January 17, 2015, 03:00:24 PM
make alyuh self useful tomorrow for once in alyuh life nah....please and thanks

Do your own work and allyuh won't have to beg for favours. Especially a tough ask like beating City at home.

yuh realize I jus yankin yuh chain right ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on January 18, 2015, 10:01:01 AM
make alyuh self useful tomorrow for once in alyuh life nah....please and thanks

Do your own work and allyuh won't have to beg for favours. Especially a tough ask like beating City at home.

yuh realize I jus yankin yuh chain right ;D

Yeah I know. I hope we can do it but we go see.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: lefty on January 18, 2015, 10:26:56 AM
your team is doing  my bidding nicely
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Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on January 18, 2015, 10:48:35 AM
your team is doing  my bidding nicely
(http://static.squarespace.com/static/51b3dc8ee4b051b96ceb10de/51ce6099e4b0d911b4489b79/52128f7ee4b0da5fb644d00e/1377043565247/emperor-palpatine-as-voiced-by-mark-hamills-joker-preview.jpg?format=1000w)

Hahahaha! I not complaining. Hope it continues. :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on January 18, 2015, 11:35:13 AM
OLLIE G! 0-2! Come on Arsenal!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bourbon on January 18, 2015, 12:02:02 PM
Wasnt expecting this...but well done Gunners. Now hit Jose the same thing.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on January 18, 2015, 12:04:12 PM
Wasnt expecting this...but well done Gunners. Now hit Jose the same thing.

 :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: ckhan on January 18, 2015, 12:10:47 PM
GGGGGEEEEEZZZZEEEEEEE. Watched this game and almost spit my drink. We kept a clean sheet and was discipline throughout!!!! We have a plan B!!!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on January 18, 2015, 12:17:38 PM
GGGGGEEEEEZZZZEEEEEEE. Watched this game and almost spit my drink. We kept a clean sheet and was discipline throughout!!!! We have a plan B!!!

We always had a plan B. We just didn't execute it well before.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: ckhan on January 18, 2015, 12:19:09 PM
If yuh want tuh call it that...well ok... ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on January 18, 2015, 12:24:03 PM
If yuh want tuh call it that...well ok... ;D

Coquelin was a major difference today. He did a great job in midfield. Arteta too slow and Flamini too wild. I always liked Coquelin but I thought his focus was poor. Glad to see him doing well.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: elan on January 18, 2015, 12:29:58 PM
Carzola?

.....and yeah thank you very much.  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on January 18, 2015, 12:30:46 PM
Carzola?

.....and yeah thank you very much.  ;D

Oh Cazorla was brilliant! I feel he want Özil to stay on the bench.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: ckhan on January 18, 2015, 12:33:15 PM
Coquelin was a major difference today. He did a great job in midfield. Arteta too slow and Flamini too wild. I always liked Coquelin but I thought his focus was poor. Glad to see him doing well.
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Spot on! He was a boss today and was my MOM! Made sure the fellas behind and in front were in position when the ball was lost. There was a commitment from all the players today!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: lefty on January 18, 2015, 12:44:27 PM
Wasnt expecting this...but well done Gunners. Now hit Jose the same thing.
steups
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on January 18, 2015, 12:48:23 PM
Wasnt expecting this...but well done Gunners. Now hit Jose the same thing.
steups

No "thank you"?
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bourbon on January 18, 2015, 01:06:08 PM
Wasnt expecting this...but well done Gunners. Now hit Jose the same thing.
steups

No "thank you"?

Hit dem it for the ingratitude.  ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: lefty on January 18, 2015, 01:08:37 PM
Wasnt expecting this...but well done Gunners. Now hit Jose the same thing.
steups

No "thank you"?

sorry yeah thank you :beermug: :beermug: .............arsenal v chelsea should be something if alyuh keep this up.....cyah wait :beermug:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: lefty on January 18, 2015, 01:09:27 PM
Wasnt expecting this...but well done Gunners. Now hit Jose the same thing.
steups

No "thank you"?

Hit dem it for the ingratitude.  ;D

 :yapping: :yapping: :yapping: :yapping: :yapping: :yapping: :yapping:.................. :beermug: ;D
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: lefty on February 01, 2015, 09:27:28 AM
well look ting :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: lefty on February 01, 2015, 11:54:01 AM
today was alyuh day boy thank d swans....as an asside, dat was a bullet from shelvey boy! wais
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 02, 2015, 04:50:05 PM
Great day for us. Villa were terrible. Side looking good boy! Oh and thanks Swansea!
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 07, 2015, 09:22:19 AM
Real poor game today. Couldn't string 3 passes together. Next time.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Deeks on February 07, 2015, 09:30:34 AM
Real poor game today. Couldn't string 3 passes together. Next time.

Like the Gunners bun on the field today.Great header by Kane.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: lefty on February 07, 2015, 11:44:00 AM
Real poor game today. Couldn't string 3 passes together. Next time.

I keep sayin dat it jus have to many teams dis year dat could "naturally" jus beat alyuh.......let mih clarify dat.....it doh bound to happen but when it does...it holds no shock value whatsoever....and dat dey is alyuh problem dis season in particular......ah not tryin to dump on yuh....but dat propensity to loose dem mid table team dat does play ah "good brand" real noticeable dis year
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 07, 2015, 08:13:49 PM
Real poor game today. Couldn't string 3 passes together. Next time.

I keep sayin dat it jus have to many teams dis year dat could "naturally" jus beat alyuh.......let mih clarify dat.....it doh bound to happen but when it does...it holds no shock value whatsoever....and dat dey is alyuh problem dis season in particular......ah not tryin to dump on yuh....but dat propensity to loose dem mid table team dat does play ah "good brand" real noticeable dis year

Since when Spurs is a mid table team? They challenging for top 4 for years. And they hardly ever beat us. 6 in the last 40 games. We just had a bad day. We have been here before and gotten through it. On to the next game.
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: lefty on February 07, 2015, 08:45:51 PM
Real poor game today. Couldn't string 3 passes together. Next time.

I keep sayin dat it jus have to many teams dis year dat could "naturally" jus beat alyuh.......let mih clarify dat.....it doh bound to happen but when it does...it holds no shock value whatsoever....and dat dey is alyuh problem dis season in particular......ah not tryin to dump on yuh....but dat propensity to loose dem mid table team dat does play ah "good brand" real noticeable dis year

Since when Spurs is a mid table team? They challenging for top 4 for years. And they hardly ever beat us. 6 in the last 40 games. We just had a bad day. We have been here before and gotten through it. On to the next game.

come on yuh know what I'm saying here.............forget spurs in isolation and focus on the bigger picture.......u need consistency and for once maybe jus maybe try playin games to not lose...I doh always agree with jose style......but I can see the value of playin to not loose.......I know was ah hardluck scene today with some poor play eh still....
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Post by: Bourbon on February 08, 2015, 02:35:32 PM
You think it having St. Totteringham day this year?
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 10, 2015, 03:27:25 PM
You think it having St. Totteringham day this year?

2 seasons ago they beat us at the Lane in early February to go 7 points ahead. We overtook them. Same with the season before that. Far too early to start worrying about that.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 16, 2015, 10:45:52 PM
Away at Old Trafford for the FA Cup quarter final. Tough place given recent history. But not unwinnable. COYG!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 21, 2015, 10:09:17 PM
Things move nice for us this weekend. I knew United couldn't maintain that standard.  Now for Pool to do us a solid with Southampton!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 23, 2015, 01:18:20 AM
3rd and 12 games to go. Pactum Serva!
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Post by: lefty on February 23, 2015, 07:29:38 AM
3rd and 12 games to go. Pactum Serva!

hampton like dey run out ah steam............and like dem fellas eh know how to shoot...sort of like alyuh in seasons past.........chelsea these last few games....is like d shot is ah unpopular ting all of a sudden
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 23, 2015, 10:05:14 PM
3rd and 12 games to go. Pactum Serva!

hampton like dey run out ah steam............and like dem fellas eh know how to shoot...sort of like alyuh in seasons past.........chelsea these last few games....is like d shot is ah unpopular ting all of a sudden

The race not over but I never doubted we would not be in the fight for the CL places. I always had faith we would get better when our best players came back from injury.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 24, 2015, 07:28:00 PM
You think it having St. Totteringham day this year?
HELL YES!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 25, 2015, 04:35:41 PM
Just when we start improving we does step on the self destruct button yes!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 01, 2015, 10:05:34 AM
2-0! Both goals assisted by Ozil!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 04, 2015, 05:52:43 PM
Another 3 points! Get well soon Gabriel!
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Post by: lefty on March 05, 2015, 05:24:49 AM
like alyuh ketch alyuh self for real, hampton let d pressure get to dem, yuh could see it in d past few games, but it look like 'pool tryin to pick up where hampton fall off.........should be an engaging top 5/6 tussle in d coming weeks
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 09, 2015, 01:27:32 PM
Man Utd: De Gea, Valencia, Smalling, Rojo, Shaw, Blind, Herrera, Di Maria, Fellaini, Young, Rooney
Subs: Valdes, Rafael, Jones, Carrick, Januzaj, Mata, Falcao

Arsenal: Szczesny, Bellerin, Mertesacker, Koscielny, Monreal, Coquelin, Cazorla, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Ozil, Alexis, Welbeck
Subs: Martinez, Gibbs, Chambers, Ramsey, Giroud, Walcott, Akpom

Go Gunners!
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Post by: Bakes on March 09, 2015, 01:32:15 PM
Man Utd: De Gea, Valencia, Smalling, Rojo, Shaw, Blind, Herrera, Di Maria, Fellaini, Young, Rooney
Subs: Valdes, Rafael, Jones, Carrick, Januzaj, Mata, Falcao

Arsenal: Szczesny, Bellerin, Mertesacker, Koscielny, Monreal, Coquelin, Cazorla, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Ozil, Alexis, Welbeck
Subs: Martinez, Gibbs, Chambers, Ramsey, Giroud, Walcott, Akpom

Go Gunners!

As insufferable as ah find allyuh Ass 'n all fans, ah just might have to hold mih nose and root fuh allyuh to beat Manu.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 09, 2015, 01:33:35 PM
Man Utd: De Gea, Valencia, Smalling, Rojo, Shaw, Blind, Herrera, Di Maria, Fellaini, Young, Rooney
Subs: Valdes, Rafael, Jones, Carrick, Januzaj, Mata, Falcao

Arsenal: Szczesny, Bellerin, Mertesacker, Koscielny, Monreal, Coquelin, Cazorla, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Ozil, Alexis, Welbeck
Subs: Martinez, Gibbs, Chambers, Ramsey, Giroud, Walcott, Akpom

Go Gunners!

As insufferable as ah find allyuh Ass 'n all fans, ah just might have to hold mih nose and root fuh allyuh to beat Manu.

Um, thanks.
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Post by: Mose on March 09, 2015, 02:21:34 PM
Man Utd: De Gea, Valencia, Smalling, Rojo, Shaw, Blind, Herrera, Di Maria, Fellaini, Young, Rooney
Subs: Valdes, Rafael, Jones, Carrick, Januzaj, Mata, Falcao

Arsenal: Szczesny, Bellerin, Mertesacker, Koscielny, Monreal, Coquelin, Cazorla, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Ozil, Alexis, Welbeck
Subs: Martinez, Gibbs, Chambers, Ramsey, Giroud, Walcott, Akpom

Go Gunners!

As insufferable as ah find allyuh Ass 'n all fans, ah just might have to hold mih nose and root fuh allyuh to beat Manu.

Um, thanks.

Haters gonna hate!  ;D
Good luck to y'all :beermug:
But I still hope we kick your @sses!  :beermug:
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Post by: Bakes on March 09, 2015, 02:37:39 PM
Good game so far... two nice goals... Ox for the footwork and set up, Monreal for a beautiful composed finished... Di Maria with a beautiful pin point cross for Rooney to finish from the penalty spot with the header.
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Post by: elan on March 09, 2015, 03:26:46 PM
Welbeck working really hard and finally got one.
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Post by: TdotTrini on March 09, 2015, 03:32:38 PM
There was a time Micheal Oliver would've been fooled by dives like that. Credit to him.
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Post by: TdotTrini on March 09, 2015, 03:35:00 PM
Wow 5 minutes. Where the hell did they find 5 minutes of extra time.
3 minutes at the most.
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Post by: Bakes on March 09, 2015, 03:41:54 PM
Januszaj... what a disgraceful dive, rightfully punised by the ref.  Di Maria with a bit of the infamous 'red mist'... deserved second yellow and early shower.
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Post by: Bitter on March 09, 2015, 03:43:10 PM
Big win. Finally.
 :applause:
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Post by: Bitter on March 09, 2015, 03:45:14 PM
Januszaj... what a disgraceful dive, rightfully punised by the ref.  Di Maria with a bit of the infamous 'red mist'... deserved second yellow and early shower.

The sad thing is, both of them had beat their man.  :-[

Watching it again now, Januszaj had lost the ball when he decided to go down.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 09, 2015, 06:44:57 PM
Januszaj... what a disgraceful dive, rightfully punised by the ref.  Di Maria with a bit of the infamous 'red mist'... deserved second yellow and early shower.

The sad thing is, both of them had beat their man.  :-[

Watching it again now, Januszaj had lost the ball when he decided to go down.

United (apart from Young), almost never get pulled up for their diving. Rooney in particular because he's England's golden boy. Glad they got some payback tonight.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on March 21, 2015, 04:14:39 PM
Hard fought win. Excellent first half and reliant on good defence and goalkeeping to hold on to the win. Team looked tired in the second half. Still 3 more points!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on April 04, 2015, 02:57:12 PM
Great performance today by the boys! Beating Liverpool is almost as much fun as beating United.

Bellerin showed why he is the future of Arsenal, and then showed why he isn't the present.

I love to look at all the old posts about how Ozil is rubbish. I just love them.

We still cyah catch a break from United's opponents though. Need some distance, and then to beat them.
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Post by: grimm01 on April 04, 2015, 04:11:17 PM
Great performance today by the boys! Beating Liverpool is almost as much fun as beating United.

Bellerin showed why he is the future of Arsenal, and then showed why he isn't the present.

I love to look at all the old posts about how Ozil is rubbish. I just love them.

We still cyah catch a break from United's opponents though. Need some distance, and then to beat them.

LOL  :rotfl:

Looks like the top four more or less decided, now it's a matter of sorting out the order.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on April 19, 2015, 05:48:42 AM
2nd by a point, a game in hand and through to the FA Cup Final. BOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMM!

Do we face the Villans or the self important, classless, petulant blowhards from Merseyside?
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on April 19, 2015, 11:29:23 PM
Ah well. Villa it is!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on April 26, 2015, 11:51:54 AM
Not the most exciting game. Chances few and far between on both sides. Say what? When we win our game in hand we back up the table. Hope we win 3-0 though. Goal difference needed.
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Post by: soccerman on April 28, 2015, 11:33:52 AM
Fan makes his girlfriend sit an Arsenal exam: She passes!

http://www.espnfc.com/blog/the-toe-poke/65/post/2422522/fan-makes-his-girlfriend-sit-an-arsenal-exam-she-passes?ex_cid=espnTW
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Post by: Tallman on May 01, 2015, 05:05:13 AM
Ainsley Maitland-Niles: Arsenal ban player's mother after row
BBC Sport


Arsenal have banned the mother of young player Ainsley Maitland-Niles after she was involved in a training-ground dispute and threatened to withdraw the winger from an under-21 match.

Police were called and arrested Jule Niles after she confronted executive Dick Law and her son's agent.

No charges ensued but she has been subsequently issued with a warning.

Maitland-Niles, 17, has been at the club since he was nine and made his senior debut this season.

The teenager, who still lives at home, is highly rated by Arsenal officials and BBC Sport understands their biggest concern surrounds his focus following incidents of this nature.

Maitland-Niles made his first-team debut in a Champions League victory over Galatasaray in December, becoming the club's second-youngest player to feature in the competition.

He has also played as a substitute in Premier League and FA Cup games this season.

Niles arranged to meet Law, Arsenal's main contract and transfer negotiator, and her son's agent last month to ask about her son's progress at the club. It is understood a confrontation ensued, with Law and the agent suffering minor injuries.

Niles was banned from the training ground but managed to attend last week's under-21 game against Aston Villa, at which she is alleged to have shouted at coaching staff and threatened to withdraw her son.

Police were called again and, although no arrest was made, Niles was issued with a warning.

A police spokesperson said: "Police were called at 4.11pm on March 20 to the location to reports two people had allegedly been assaulted by a woman. They suffered superficial injuries.

"Officers attended and a 36-year-old woman from Watford was arrested on suspicion of assault. She has since been released with no further action to be taken against her.

"Police were called to the location on 24 April at 2.40pm to reports a woman was refusing to leave the premises.

"Officers attended and the woman was issued with a warning."

Arsenal declined to comment on the story.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on May 03, 2015, 09:34:58 PM
You think it having St. Totteringham day this year?

You were saying? Guess what today is?
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Post by: Bitter on May 05, 2015, 10:11:37 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/O6axf2FdaTc
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Post by: Flex on May 06, 2015, 03:05:42 AM
Aliko Dangote, Africa's richest man, still plans to buy Arsenal
SOCCERNET.COM


Nigerian billionaire Aliko Dangote has told Bloomberg he still plans to buy Arsenal for the "right price" in the future.

Dangote was linked with making an approach to buy a stake in Arsenal in 2010, before he said he decided against the investment.

This week, however, Dangote has been quoted as saying: "I still hope, one day at the right price, that I'll buy the team.

"I might buy it, not at a ridiculous price but a price that the owners won't want to resist. I know my strategy."

Arsenal fan Dangote is Africa's richest man, according to Forbes, and is worth $15.7 billion, reports the Bloomberg Billionaires Index.

American businessman Stan Kroenke currently holds a 67 percent stake in Arsenal, reports Bloomberg, while Red and White Holdings, backed by Russian magnate Alisher Usmanov, has 30 percent.

Kroenke also owns the NFL's St. Louis Rams, the NBA's Denver Nuggets, the NHL's Colorado Avalanche and MLS' Colorado Rapids.

Dangote said: "We have $16 billion-worth of investments in the next few years. Right now I want to take my own business to a certain level. Once I finish on that trajectory, then maybe" an offer will follow.

He added that Arsenal "need new direction" and manager Arsene Wenger "needs to change his style a bit."

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Post by: Deeks on May 06, 2015, 04:55:07 AM
He added that Arsenal "need new direction" and manager Arsene Wenger "needs to change his style a bit."



He could well spend some of that money on Nigerian football.
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Post by: Peong on May 06, 2015, 08:27:02 AM
https://twitter.com/Fitzz__/status/595307628667994112/video/1
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on May 10, 2015, 10:58:38 PM
He added that Arsenal "need new direction" and manager Arsene Wenger "needs to change his style a bit."
He could well spend some of that money on Nigerian football.

I could swear that Arsenal already have a new direction and Wenger has changed his style.
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Post by: Deeks on May 11, 2015, 08:30:55 AM
He added that Arsenal "need new direction" and manager Arsene Wenger "needs to change his style a bit."
He could well spend some of that money on Nigerian football.

I could swear that Arsenal already have a new direction and Wenger has changed his style.

Doh mind that guy. While Arsene has not delivered on trophies, he has more than make up for them where money is concern. Arsenal has been in CL for about 13 straight years. Correct me if I am wrong about that. If he has so much money to spend, form a Lagos Arsenal. Have a partnership with Arsenal and even the Emraties.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on May 21, 2015, 10:43:50 AM
Concerned about the lack of goals recently. We have a final to play.
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Post by: palos on May 21, 2015, 11:53:11 AM
Arsenal way too one dimensional

Aresenal patterns it's game along the Barcelona model.....yet you don't see Barca so stunted and one dimensional in attack

While it's not easy to break down a team that parks the bus.....Barcelona does this practically every game.  Now...they have exceptional players....none of which Arsenal have (except for maybe Sanchez)....but still.....find another route to goal nah man. 

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Post by: grimm01 on May 21, 2015, 12:21:55 PM
Arsenal way too one dimensional

Aresenal patterns it's game along the Barcelona model.....yet you don't see Barca so stunted and one dimensional in attack

While it's not easy to break down a team that parks the bus.....Barcelona does this practically every game.  Now...they have exceptional players....none of which Arsenal have (except for maybe Sanchez)....but still.....find another route to goal nah man. 



When Barca get bogged down, Messi goes into the phonebooth to take off his glasses and work clothes and comes out to save the day. Last night Arsenal brought on Theo.
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Post by: asylumseeker on May 30, 2015, 11:30:58 AM
Can they sustain this 1-0 lead ... or will there be drama?
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Post by: soccerman on May 30, 2015, 11:48:03 AM
Can they sustain this 1-0 lead ... or will there be drama?
Hell of a goal by Sanchez
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Post by: soccerman on May 30, 2015, 11:49:58 AM
That's it for Villa 3-0
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Post by: Peong on May 30, 2015, 12:30:28 PM
Sanchez is about 1.5x the next best Arsenal player.
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Post by: palos on May 30, 2015, 06:47:46 PM
Sanchez is about 1.5x the next best Arsenal player.

Like yuh doh watch Santi Carzola or wha hoss?
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Post by: asylumseeker on May 30, 2015, 07:15:07 PM
Congrats to the Gunners on the forum on a second consecutive FA Cup win, and record 12th overall. Start submitting design suggestions on a Wenger statue.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 09, 2015, 11:59:31 AM
Sanchez is about 1.5x the next best Arsenal player.

Like yuh doh watch Santi Carzola or wha hoss?

Sanchez, Cazorla, Koscielny. Then everybody else on that side. Ozil has to do better.
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Post by: asylumseeker on June 29, 2015, 11:25:57 AM
Cech's first interview
Arsenal.com


Petr Cech became Arsenal's first signing of the transfer window when he joined the club from Chelsea on Monday afternoon.

Below is a full transcript:


Petr, welcome to Arsenal. How does it feel to have signed for the club?

It is exciting. I first came to the Premier League a long time ago and I still love playing in the Premier League and the challenges it poses with the great players and great teams you have to face every week. Arsenal are a team that challenge for the top and definitely matches my ambitions and personal motivation. I believe at this time of my career I have made a really good choice and will have the success that I hope to have.

What is about Arsenal that made you want to join the club?

I would say the approach. In the first meeting we had, I spoke to the manager, Arsène Wenger, and obviously it was a big difference because I am as hungry as ever and have the same motivation and commitment to win trophies as I had 10 or 15 years ago and as a kid. Having spoken to him, I believe I will find a team that wants to be successful and wants to challenge the best in Europe. It is an exciting project for me.

Having spent 11 successful years at Chelsea, it must have been a tough decision to leave?
It was probably the hardest decision for me to go, but last year I realised that I am not in a phase of my career when I would sit on the bench. I want to be playing, I want to have a chance to compete for my position in the team and I want to be useful for the team and do the usual stuff on the pitch week in, week out. I hope I will have that possibility to compete for my place here at Arsenal and I hope that I can bring something a little extra to the team that can help.

You’re obviously hugely experienced in the Premier League. You know the Premier League very well and you know London very well. Do you think that will be a big advantage for you?
Well I believe that the Premier League is the best league in the world and having played in the Premier League for such a long time, it is to my advantage and I know what to expect. This year I will be at a different club but I think it can be a big advantage for me that I’m settled, I know what to expect in almost every ground in England with the style that is played. It is a great challenge to be playing against the best players in the world and I always wanted to play in the Premier League and be a part of this league. To have an opportunity to continue in a team that has the motivation to challenge for the title and challenge the best teams was a challenge for me and I have to say that once I spoke to Arsène Wenger about the ambitions and motivations this club has, my decision was clear because I wanted to be a part of it.

How influential was Arsène Wenger in your decision to join Arsenal?

I had a good chat with him and it was the first time after the club approached me that I could speak to him in private for such a long time. He made me believe that this was the right step and that this is the club with a lot of ambition. I have a lot of personal motivation and ambition and the club definitely matches it. It is an exciting time for me, it is a project where Arsenal fans and the club have been waiting for the Premier League title and this is a chance for me to bring my experience and my little extra to the team and we can possibly achieve that.

Have you spoken to Tomas Rosicky about the club much and if so, what has he told you about it?

Yes, we have spoken - obviously we had time together with the national team but at the time I did not know what would happen. But he seems happy always and he loves playing for Arsenal. He was excited about the idea that this could happen. He told me a lot of good things and he was one of the reasons why I decided to give it a go and meet with Arsenal. Then the discussions went on and here we are today! I am really happy it happened that way.

You have played against Arsenal many times over the course of your career. What are your biggest memories from playing at Highbury and Emirates Stadium?

The first time I played at Highbury I was actually surprised about the size of the stadium because I thought it was a bit bigger! When you were on the pitch it seemed quite close and narrow. The first time I played, we conceded a goal when Thierry Henry shot a quick free-kick and we were caught by surprise. But in the end we got an important 2-2 draw which would later allow us to win the title, so that was my first memory. Then the club moved to Emirates Stadium and it is always nice to play there because of the beautiful pitches there every single year. You as a visitor you know it is going to be a tough task to play against technical Arsenal sides and it was always a big test for us but we seemed to have success in recent years. Hopefully that will change now!

You have a chance to prove that because your first competitive game could be against Chelsea…
I think the script couldn’t have been written in a better way for the fans because this will be one of the days [that is] very exciting and very strange at the same time. I have to say, having been with Chelsea for 11 years and having so much success and great memories, I guess it will be a very strange feeling to be on the other side. Once you’re on the pitch, you play for your team and you want to win. During the year you can play against friends, you can play against big friends and close friends but once you are on the pitch, this friendship goes away and you just focus on winning the game.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 30, 2015, 11:21:31 PM
Barely saw him play this past season but hopefully Cech still has the goods. Welcome to the good guys!
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on September 12, 2015, 07:47:43 PM
Real strange start to the season. Creating plenty, well balanced, experienced defence but horrible finishing. Today we should have scored much more than 2 goals.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 11, 2015, 02:23:11 AM
Such a magnificent performance. Why can't we play like that all the time? Theo is becoming a fantastic striker.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 22, 2015, 01:06:06 AM
Cech man of the match but we gave as good as we got. Better even. Well done Gunners. A point in Munich and we're back in business!
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Post by: Deeks on November 04, 2015, 03:00:01 PM
The Gunners are being ripped apart methodically by Bayern. 4-0 in the 57th min.
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Post by: asylumseeker on November 07, 2015, 04:38:11 AM
Robert Pires: Wenger wants the title this year and Arsenal can do it
By Sachin Nakrani, The Guardian


The 42-year-old is training with the club’s first team and believes they have what it takes to end their 12-season wait for the Premier League crown

Robert Pires is standing in a basement car park at London’s ExCel. It is a typically autumnal afternoon and as the brisk air takes hold in cavernous surroundings, the former Arsenal winger could be forgiven for breaking out in a huff and expressing his desire to be somewhere else, especially when he has to constantly redo one of the PR commitments he is here to carry out because of the interrupting roar of cars overhead. But he remains cool, focused and professional throughout. As anyone who watched him play could testify, it’s classic Pires.

Nine years have passed since his final appearance for Arsenal and it is striking how little the Frenchman has changed since the days when he was a captivating, creative force in a team that touched invincibility. The face has aged but the hair is still jet black and generous, while above perfectly kept stubble remains those recognisably dark eyes. Dressed in a black jacket, white shirt and jeans, the 42-year-old also appears as slim as he was at his peak. It is like Pires has never been away which, to an extent, he hasn’t.

There were spells at Villarreal, Aston Villa and, somewhat bizarrely, FC Goa in India after Pires left Arsenal in May 2006, but his heart always remained at the club where he won two Premier League titles, three FA Cups, was voted Football Writers’ player of the year and went through an entire league campaign unbeaten. Having returned to England after retirement, Pires now regularly trains with Arsenal’s first team at their London Colney base. Preparing for Sunday’s north London derby, Alexis Sánchez and co could not ask for a better reminder of the levels of excellence they are meant to be reaching.

“Arsène [Wenger] said to me ‘If you want to come, you can’ and so every morning I am training with the first team,” says Pires. “For me, it’s very interesting. I hope it’s also interesting for the players. I talk a long time to them. I don’t know if I give them some tips and advice but I have a good experience for the guys to learn from.”

Pires’s routine visits to the training ground also allow him to stay fit as he enters middle age and the obvious question to ask is if he is still able to hold his own with Arsenal’s current superstars. “I don’t know, you have to ask them,” he replies. “But the technique … you never lose it. You lose speed, that’s normal, but the technique you never lose.” Cue a devilish smile from the man with the classically Gallic accent.

I am speaking with Pires in the back of a silver people-carrier that has been supplied by one of Arsenal’s corporate sponsors and that Pires, in his role as club ambassador, is here to promote. As the vehicle glides around the car park and beyond, what should be a routine interview suddenly feels like a surreal mix of Football Focus and the A-Team. But ultimately it is not difficult to remain focused on the task ahead given Pires is in such engaging form, no more so than when he is assessing Arsenal’s title credentials. It has been a strange season for the team, with them joint top of the Premier League but, after their 5-1 humbling at Bayern Munich in midweek, in real danger of failing to qualify for the Champions League knockout stages for the first time in 16 seasons. Having watched and worked with them, however, Pires is adamant that the class of 2015-16 are the real deal.

“Arsenal have started the season well. Actually, since the game against Man United [when Arsenal won 3-0 at the start of October] they are doing very well,” he says. “They have a lot of ingredients to win the title, because when you see the name in the paper the quality is there. The quality is very good. Of course, the Champions League is very important, but I prefer to see Arsenal win the Premier League this season and I know this is the objective for Arsène Wenger and all the players. It is also important for the fans. So yes, this team can win the Premier League.”

Pires cites Petr Cech as being particularly key to Arsenal’s chances of becoming champions for the first time since he and the rest of the Invincibles did so in 2004 – “He is very important because he has already won the title with Chelsea” – but it is his praise for another of the team’s defensively minded players that truly catches the attention. It comes as the Frenchman explains his choices for an Ultimate XI made up of Arsenal players he featured alongside and/or has seen in the flesh. There are some obvious names in there, such as David Seaman, Tony Adams, Thierry Henry, Patrick Vieira and, from the current side, Sánchez and Santi Cazorla. But who is that at the base of midfield? Francis Coquelin.

“I love this guy because he has very good spirit and he loves fighting,” says Pires. “He’s French but he has an English mentality, and in this position you need that. In my time we had Ray Parlour, and Coquelin is the same. He’s a very good balance between defence and attack. He is important for the team. Imagine for 10 seconds Vieira and Coquelin together in midfield, in this moment or 10 years ago. That would be fantastic.”

When speaking about Arsenal’s Ultimate XI in Pires’s company it is difficult not to come back to his time at the club having arrived there from Marseille in 2000. It’s somewhat forgotten now that Pires struggled during his first season in north London but, having settled at a new club in a new country, the winger soon soared, helping Arsenal achieve the double in 2002 and complete that most memorable of seasons two years later. “That was a special team and we showed that by being unbeaten and, most importantly, winning the title,” he reflects.

Pires picks out Dennis Bergkamp as the best player he featured alongside during his time at Arsenal – “he was the maestro” – and his goal at Villa in March 2002, when Pires left George Boateng for dead with one touch before lobbing Peter Schmeichel with another, as his own best individual moment for the club. And then there is the effusive praise for Wenger, the man who brought Pires to London and continues to welcome him back into the fold. “He is the same guy from when I joined 15 years ago,” says Pires. “He’s passionate, he loves football, he loves Arsenal and he loves the guys at the club.

“He loves talking to them, especially when they are a little bit tired or a little bit down, and is very good at lifting them up. That communication is important between manager and player and Arsène never forgets that.”

Looking ahead to Tottenham’s visit to the Emirates on Sunday, Pires agrees that this could be the most intriguing north London derby for some time given the encouraging form of both teams but is backing his old side to record what would be their sixth successive league victory since the bad-tempered defeat at Chelsea in mid-September. This is also another moment for Pires to reflect on the past and, in particular, his excellent record against Arsenal’s most bitter rivals.

“I scored eight goals in 12 games against Spurs,” he says, with the assurance of a man reciting his own phone number. “I’m proud of this achievement because I know this rivalry is very important for the Arsenal fans – when you score eight times against Spurs you are an idol for them.

“And I know the Spurs fans hate me,” Pires adds with yet another devilish smile. “I know this and it is a good sensation.”

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Robert Pires’s ultimate Arsenal XI
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 05, 2015, 11:21:51 AM
 :wavetowel:
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Post by: Bitter on December 06, 2015, 05:49:24 PM
Is the 2nd place trophy bigger than the 4th place one?  ::)
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Post by: Bitter on December 21, 2015, 03:59:54 PM
Is not often a big game lives up to the hype.

That Toure goal... wow.

He went from invisible to beast mode all of a sudden at the end of the game. If only he could do that to start.
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Post by: Deeks on December 21, 2015, 04:07:26 PM
That Toure goal... wow.

The sequence leading up to the goal is what make it a beauty.
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Post by: asylumseeker on December 21, 2015, 04:15:09 PM
Allyuh bigging up YaYa on de Arsenal thread. Hope Dansteel eh send ah inter-continental pox on allyuh house.

I thought Ramsey was lacking at a couple pivotal moments. But of course dem fellas frighten to call that shot.
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Post by: Bitter on December 21, 2015, 05:52:43 PM
Allyuh bigging up YaYa on de Arsenal thread. Hope Dansteel eh send ah inter-continental pox on allyuh house.

I thought Ramsey was lacking at a couple pivotal moments. But of course dem fellas frighten to call that shot.

Walcott goal was leading until Toure. That was on another level. I wonder if he will go home and tell the wife he miskick the ball...  ;D
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on January 05, 2016, 09:49:46 PM
Happy New Year fellas! Keep up the good work! Yaya goal was fantastic. Glad he lost though!

Implosion against Southampton was horrible but still, top of the table, for now. Keep it up Arsenal! :applause:
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Post by: asylumseeker on January 22, 2016, 10:16:38 PM
http://www.golfdigest.com/story/watch-soccer-star-aaron-ramsey-break-a-guinness-world-record-for-golf-we-guess
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Post by: Bitter on February 14, 2016, 08:02:39 AM
That was a hell of a game.

Leicester is the real deal. We'll see if they can hold on.

Great spirit from arsenal. I thought they had the fight in them since the Chelsea loss, but now they getting weapons back. They still missing cazorla though.
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Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on February 14, 2016, 10:21:15 AM
That was a hell of a game.

Leicester is the real deal. We'll see if they can hold on.

Great spirit from arsenal. I thought they had the fight in them since the Chelsea loss, but now they getting weapons back. They still missing cazorla though.

Alexis was awful today. Still  :wavetowel:
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Post by: palos on April 05, 2016, 04:02:46 PM
WENGER SEEKS DWAYNE BRAVO HELP (https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10154049574157999&id=116151972998&ref=bookmarks)
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Post by: weary1969 on April 06, 2016, 09:05:14 AM
WENGER SEEKS DWAYNE BRAVO HELP (https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10154049574157999&id=116151972998&ref=bookmarks)

 :rotfl: when I saw this
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Post by: asylumseeker on April 09, 2016, 10:08:40 PM
Yet again another 2 points squandered? Time for Wenger's (read Arsenal's) press officer to draft a stock explanation.
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Post by: asylumseeker on April 17, 2016, 10:53:52 AM
Pathetic! Pathétique!
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Post by: Deeks on April 17, 2016, 11:28:39 AM
No wonder I am not a coach. I can't put my finger on this team. They play some of the most attractive football and then "pooof"!!!!
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Post by: Tobago28 on April 17, 2016, 12:27:50 PM
Wenger's faith in Ramsey and Walcott will keep us from winning a title. Iwobi tracking back and breaking up plays but bring him on for Ramsey and put him on the rightside. Wellbeck playing central but tracking back, its ok to bring on Giroud but Waltcott? Then put Walcott on the right next to useless Ramsey. Any surprise which side the goal come from, when Baloise about to shoot who slowly jogging back into the picture, Ramsey(16). Where Walcott? No where to be found. Walcott and Ramsey for Iwobi and Elneny cost us another 2 points.
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Post by: Bitter on April 17, 2016, 01:07:25 PM
Them just blight.

It have no good reason for that goal to score. When Bolassie cut inside, Coquelin was right with him with Gabriel covering behind, all Bolassie could do it take a hopeful shot, and he manage to take the perfect shot to get the goal.

That is not bad defense, or men not running back, that is blight. You could argue that Gabriel moved out of the way and should have blocked it, which might be the real point. Arsenal men just don't have that next level of grit to throw their body in front of those things.

I actually don't know if that is a good thing or a bad thing. It doesn't fit thier philosophy because when you do that, you lose the calmness and control Wenger wants.

You could also argue that with the possession they had, they could have closed up shop and played keep-away, but that is not in their DNA either. Maybe you just can't play that style in the EPL.
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Post by: asylumseeker on June 01, 2016, 03:10:16 AM
I saw this african dude from udinese absolutely sprint through the defense ... what is it about our covering that allows one man to go through the entire defense  from one angle?
You'd never see that with Man u and chelsea and the defense stand up and watch song chase the man down from midfield .. I say papa yo.
I hearing talk about hazard but im not sure he is the kind of player you need in the middle we need a creative spark a man who could link play to the forwards and keep possession a controller and we obviously need a defender .. I like the kid jenkinson he can play stopper and wingback.. we ned that type not so sure Samba would fill that role ...him against them speedy africans yesterday woulda get kill.
They need latas!!

That was Pablo Armero on the break. Yeah de man is a beast. Catch the 2 centre backs square. Schoolboy mistake on their part.

The player you are describing is Wilshere. We missing him bad. Arshavin is better at creating and shooting from deep but doesn't keep the ball so well.

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2016/05/31/exclusive-colombian-natl-soccer-player-arrested-in-miami-beach/
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Post by: Deeks on August 14, 2016, 10:15:55 AM
Arsenal being ripped apart!
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Post by: asylumseeker on August 14, 2016, 10:22:20 AM
Trouble in de dance, worries tonight! 4-2.
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Post by: Deeks on August 14, 2016, 10:33:42 AM
Low and behold, if is a great fight back 4 to 3!!!
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Post by: Cocorite on August 15, 2016, 12:13:14 PM
Trouble in de dance, worries tonight! 4-2.

LOL  ;D Yuh showing yuh age breda. Love it.
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Post by: grimm01 on August 15, 2016, 12:35:17 PM
New season, same old Arsenal  :cursing: ::)
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Post by: asylumseeker on August 15, 2016, 12:57:09 PM
Trouble in de dance, worries tonight! 4-2.

LOL  ;D Yuh showing yuh age breda. Love it.

 YES!  ;D Vintage tings, pardna. :beermug:
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Post by: asylumseeker on August 15, 2016, 01:00:15 PM
New season, same old Arsenal  :cursing: ::)

7 goals to the good of the game , but what a painful way to start the season!
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Post by: asylumseeker on August 16, 2016, 08:22:12 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/LbbUqhwpybo
Title: Re: ARSENAL FORWARD
Post by: Bitter on August 27, 2016, 08:56:30 AM
Typical Arsenal.

Slow start, now taking out they frustrations on poor Watford.
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Post by: Bitter on October 15, 2016, 09:52:31 AM
Dear Arsenal,

Stop playing with your food.

Regards,
Bitter
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Post by: TdotTrini on October 19, 2016, 02:26:46 PM
OK.

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Post by: Deeks on October 19, 2016, 02:53:23 PM
Like Arsenal smoked gunpowder today or what!?
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Post by: asylumseeker on December 11, 2016, 08:02:35 PM
Arsenal hire All Blacks mental skills guru- ex-All White Ceri Evans
Stuff New Zealand.


All Blacks adviser Dr Ceri Evans has been snapped up by English Premier League giants Arsenal who have hired the ex-All White as a mental skills specialist.

Evans - who was once linked to Arsenal during a five-year playing stint with Oxford United while a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford University -  has been in demand internationally as a sports pyschologist since helping the All Blacks win Rugby World Cup titles in 2011 and 2015.

Fresh from assisting new world heavyweight boxing champion Joseph Parker, Evans once worked particularly closely with ex-All Blacks captain Richie McCaw and  featured in McCaw's recent movie, Chasing Great.

Arsenal superstar Mesut Ozil could be benefiting from Kiwi Ceri Evans' mental skills advice.
Evans, 53, a forensic psychiatrist based in Christchurch, has also worked with Mercedes Formula One drivers Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg.

Arsenal have now enlisted him to help improve the EPL side's mental strength - an area of weakness identified by the club's veteran manager Arsene Wenger.

Alexis Sanchez, one of the Arsenal stars who will be working with Kiwi sports psychologist Ceri Evans.
An Arsenal spokesman confirmed Evans' hire to London's Sunday Telegraph newspaper.

"We are looking for new ways to progress and continue competing at the top of the game.

"This involved every aspect of the way we work with our players and that is part of that continuous improvement. We will not discuss any detail of this work."

Evans was born in Christchurch and later moved to Nelson, attending Nayland College.

His father, Gwyn Evans, was a former professional footballer for Crystal Palace and later became New Zealand Football Association secretary-general.

His mother, Joyce Williamson, was a New Zealand table tennis champion.

Evans played in the New Zealand national league for a decade between 1979 and 1988, juggling his football with medical studies at the University of Otago.

He played 85 times for the All Whites between 1980 and 1993 and occasionally captained the national team and also became a karate black belt.

Evans earned a Rhodes Scholarship to Oxford University in 1989 and joined English second-tier club Oxford United, playing 116 games over five seasons while studying experimental psychology.

He later returned to New Zealand, settling in Christchurch with his family and working as director of forensic psychology for the Canterbury District Health Board.

Evans became a director of Gazing Performance Systems, an international mental skills consultancy,  but has worked independently across a number of sporting codes, including international rugby, football, cricket, Australian Rules and rugby league, including providing assistance to the Warriors.

He helped coach Canada's women's football team to an Olympic Games bronze medal in 2012 after being recruited by Canada's former New Zealand Football Ferns coach John Herdman.

A report on The Independent website said Evans practised an "anti-choke mechanism, which seeks to offer his clients a way of dealing with intense pressure and high stakes".

At Arsenal, he will be working with some of the world's best footballers, including German World Cup winner Mesut Ozil and Chile strike Alexis Sanchez.
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Post by: Deeks on December 13, 2016, 03:38:47 PM
Everton fight real hard to pull this one out. 2-1.
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Post by: Deeks on March 07, 2017, 07:46:27 PM
Arsenal got  hammered again. But the ref's decision to red card the Arsenal defender so early did no help for the Gunners. How many lives does Arsene have? Allyuh think he gone at the end of the season?
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Post by: Bourbon on March 07, 2017, 08:50:26 PM
And further to that...if you think Wenger should go....could you Arsenal fans give suggestions as to viable replacements?
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Post by: Deeks on March 07, 2017, 10:03:02 PM
And further to that...if you think Wenger should go....could you Arsenal fans give suggestions as to viable replacements?

Stephen Hart!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D.
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Post by: Mose on March 08, 2017, 04:08:11 AM
And further to that...if you think Wenger should go....could you Arsenal fans give suggestions as to viable replacements?

Stephen Hart!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D.

 :rotfl:
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Post by: Mose on March 08, 2017, 04:09:40 AM
Arsenal got  hammered again. But the ref's decision to red card the Arsenal defender so early did no help for the Gunners. How many lives does Arsene have? Allyuh think he gone at the end of the season?

Only if he fail to qualify for Champions League next year.
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Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on March 08, 2017, 10:00:01 AM
It's time for Arsenal fans to face the facts.  Arsenal is just not good enough as a team.  The fact that they qualify for CL football year after year is a testament to Wenger's abilities as a manager.  Looking around at the footballing landscape, the "big" teams that qualify for CL have several options off their benches that can be considered like for like or top quality. Many have solid veteran players of much better quality than Arsenal.  Outside of Alexis (and Ozil when he feels like) who does Arsenal have that any top teams would go in for?  Even in the PL their quality is lacking by comparison to the likes of City, United, Chelsea and even Tottenham at the moment.  That team is lucky that they have Arsene making magic with them year after year with a barebones squad.  Only liverpool right now (of the top six) have a similarly composed squad and yet they seem to fight more than the gooners.  The players on Arsenal are just as much if not more accountable than Wenger for the absolutely atrocious results!
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Post by: Mose on March 08, 2017, 11:00:20 AM
It's time for Arsenal fans to face the facts.  Arsenal is just not good enough as a team.  The fact that they qualify for CL football year after year is a testament to Wenger's abilities as a manager.  Looking around at the footballing landscape, the "big" teams that qualify for CL have several options off their benches that can be considered like for like or top quality. Many have solid veteran players of much better quality than Arsenal.  Outside of Alexis (and Ozil when he feels like) who does Arsenal have that any top teams would go in for?  Even in the PL their quality is lacking by comparison to the likes of City, United, Chelsea and even Tottenham at the moment.  That team is lucky that they have Arsene making magic with them year after year with a barebones squad.  Only liverpool right now (of the top six) have a similarly composed squad and yet they seem to fight more than the gooners.  The players on Arsenal are just as much if not more accountable than Wenger for the absolutely atrocious results!

To this I would add that in recent years Arsenal has been lacking any kind of steel. Players who can help them grind out a win on the days when the pretty football not flowing, or lift the squad and drive the team forward when they are down. For that though, I would blame the manager.
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Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on March 08, 2017, 01:03:09 PM
To this I would add that in recent years Arsenal has been lacking any kind of steel. Players who can help them grind out a win on the days when the pretty football not flowing, or lift the squad and drive the team forward when they are down. For that though, I would blame the manager.

Well manager definitely to blame for that because I don't think he wants or cares for players like that.  Wenger only wants to play pretty football, there is no plan B.  So when pretty football fails he will always look like ah imps. But Arsenal need some players with belly! Plenty of them fragile mentally I find.  For instance Torres @ Chelsea was suffering from a devious goal allergy but can anyone question his efforts, IQ, and constant attempt to put defenders off balance?  If Arsenal get blister putting up a fight, I think everyone would just say wow @ Bayern but them man look disinterested to me.
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Post by: Mose on March 08, 2017, 03:52:38 PM
Wenger should make his players watch today's Barcelona-PSG game every day fuh de rest of dis season!
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Post by: asylumseeker on April 30, 2017, 01:09:36 PM
Look who beat de Gunners. :angel:
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Post by: Deeks on April 30, 2017, 02:06:47 PM
Look who beat de Gunners. :angel:

Spurs eh Swansea. Spurs is a big team now.
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Post by: asylumseeker on September 17, 2017, 07:34:28 AM
Chelsea vs Arsenal: Wenger's 1,182 nd match in charge of Arsenal. This thread is essentially the Wenger Forever Thread. The admiral has won 677 wins, 270 draws,  232 losses. Wenger has been in the post 7,658 days.

That leaves 3 matches unaccounted for ... suspensions, perhaps? Source: Andres Cantor of Gooooool fame.

(Only 2 English players on the pitch ... one on each team).
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Post by: Deeks on September 17, 2017, 09:50:35 AM
Only 2 English on the field. Well, that is the real reason for brexit.
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Post by: asylumseeker on October 13, 2019, 07:01:16 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/twgVAkT2LV0

Enjoy!
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Post by: Flex on August 13, 2020, 02:36:20 AM
'People have been trying to destroy me' - Ozil explains why he didn't take Arsenal pay cut despite £350k-a-week wages
Stats Perform News


Mesut Ozil has explained why he refused to take a pay cut amid the coronavirus pandemic, insisting that there were many unanswered questions and that he had a right to "know everything" regarding Arsenal's use of the finances.

It was confirmed back in April that members of the Gunners' playing staff and coaching team had agreed to a 12.5 per cent pay cut to support the club during a financially unstable time linked to the Covid-19 outbreak.

Former Germany international Ozil was one of those that decided against a wage cut and he attracted widespread criticism as a result, with many pointing to his £350k-a-week salary and his status as Arsenal's highest earner.

And the 31-year-old has now broken his silence over the controversial decision, claiming that the Gunners didn't provide enough information relating to the request, and that he had significant commitments to his family and charities to also consider.

He told the Athletic: "As players, we all wanted to contribute. But we needed more information and many questions were unanswered.

"Everyone was fine with a deferral while there was so much uncertainty - I would have been OK to take a bigger share - and then a cut if required, once the football and financial outlook was clearer. But we were rushed into it without proper consultation.

"For anyone in this situation, you have a right to know everything, to understand why it is happening and where the money is going. But we didn’t get enough details, we just had to give a decision. It was far too quick for something so important and there was a lot of pressure.

"This was not fair, especially for the young guys, and I refused. I had a baby at home and have commitments to my family here, in Turkey and in Germany - to my charities, too, and also a new project we started to support people in London that was from the heart and not for publicity.

"People who know me know exactly how generous I am and, as far as I’m aware, I was not the only player who rejected the cut in the end, but only my name came out.

"I guess that’s because it is me and people have been trying for two years to destroy me, to make me unhappy, to push an agenda they hope will turn the supporters against me and paint a picture that is not true.

"Possibly the decision affected my chances on the pitch, I don’t know. But I’m not afraid to stand up for what I feel is right - and when you see what has happened now with the jobs, maybe I was."

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Post by: asylumseeker on October 06, 2020, 03:39:07 PM
Arteta playing mas. I haven't had a minute to dissect Arsenal's squad, but I'm disappointed to see Guendouzi packed off. Almost the same with Torreira but I'm quite happy to welcome him at Atleti. Haha ;D Simeone quite sensibly has pounced on him and Suarez. I suppose the sensible perspective is that neither stays in England during the quest of boosting their credentials. Surely both are players that will show their worth.

What say the Arsenal fans?
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