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Title: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: E-man on April 27, 2006, 10:08:28 PM
UNC group: Put Jack before disciplinary body

South Bureau (Express)



Friday, April 28th 2006
 
 
 THE United National Congress (UNC) Guaracara Party Group has criticised Member of Parliament Dr Adesh Nanan for distancing himself from the group and Political Leader Winston Dookeran and instead taking instructions from a cabal of the party's National Executive.

In a press release yesterday, chairman Deo Seecharan supported the St Augustine constituency executive in demanding that deputy Political Leader Jack Warner be brought before the UNC's disciplinary committee for his continued attack on Dookeran.

Saying the group was the only registered party group in the Tabaquite constituency, Seecharan said Nanan should "stop taking instructions from a cabal of the National Executive which is being led by deputy Political Leader Jack Warner, and non-UNC member Ramesh Lawrence Maharaj".

Seecharan suggested that Nanan failed to consult with the constituency executive and the wider membership of the UNC in Tabaquite.

"We also call on Nanan to recognise and support the duly elected Political Leader, Winston Dookeran in his efforts to transform the UNC into a credible alternative to the PNM."

They further called on their MP to act in the interest of all the constituents and "not think of his own political interest or success. Failing to do this will eventually redound to his own political demise," Seecharan stressed.

He emphasised that the constituency stood firm behind Dookeran "and all those in our party who have the best interest of the party, and the nation at heart. But we resist and oppose any member of the National Executive and elsewhere who is attempting to humiliate and undermine the work of the Political Leader of our party".

The release was signed by Seecharan, youth officer Selwyn Samaroo, vice chairman Steve Samlal, women's affairs officer Angela Samlal, secretary Felix Leessam, and Stephen Sookbir, elections officer.
 
Title: Jack tipped to head Alliance
Post by: trinbago on September 21, 2007, 11:02:13 PM
Jack tipped to head Alliance  

(http://www.guardian.co.tt/Jack-Warner-new.jpg)
Who’s in charge?

Warner offered UNC Alliance leadership.
Panday, however to remain as UNC leader.
Alliance partners decide Thursday.
BY GAIL ALEXANDER 
UNC deputy leader Jack Warner 

 

UNC deputy leader Jack Warner is being proposed to lead the UNC Alliance, following Wednesday’s UNC executive meeting where the helming issue was discussed, sources said yesterday.

Warner’s name has become a front runner for the leadership of the new entity in a move which is already sparking heated debate in the UNC among supporters of Opposition Leader Kamla Persad-Bissessar.

Her name has also come up in discussions on the post.

Under the proposal, Warner is being considered for the post of UNC Alliance leader in an arrangement that will include having UNC leader Basdeo Panday remaining leader of the UNC until his interim period ends.

The parties in the Alliance have all maintained their individuality and respective leaders.

The UNC executive’s meeting on Wednesday was held to recommend a person for the post of UNC Alliance leader.

This recommendation will then be presented to the UNC Alliance Leadership Council of Partners which meets on Thursday to finalise a leader for the Alliance.

Warner, en route to China yesterday, was saying neither “yea” nor “nay” on the matter of the post.

Asked about reports in the UNC that he was offered the Alliance leadership, Warner said: “I, too, have heard about it but I have not been advised.

“But if it does happen, I remain humbled by the offer... When I return, I’ll know more about the situation,” he added.

Asked if he would consider the offer, Warner said: “There are several considerations I’d have to make... I will raise the matter at Fifa this weekend and I will then have a better idea of my position.”

Declining to give a direction on his future decision, Warner added: “If decisions are ahead and I have to decide if to give up Fifa completely or have the situation truncated, whatever I decide will be decided in the interest of T&T.”

Warner is going to China to attend a function hosted by the Chinese government, involving the Association of World Women’s Championships. He returns by next Thursday.

Panday, in Ft Lauderdale for a UNC fund-raiser, said yesterday that no decision had been taken on the leadership.

“We have always been discussing the question of leadership for a long time since before the Alliance, but no decision has been made,” he said.

“However, the issue of leadership will come up... It is bound to come up, but I can’t say when.”

Panday returns by the middle of next week.

‘Panday offered Warner the post’

Top level UNC sources said Warner was approached by Panday recently to assume the post of Alliance leader.

Persad-Bissessar, who is also going to the Florida fund-raiser, did not attend Parliament yesterday. She is to return on Tuesday.

UNC chief whip Hamza Rafeeq said he had been hearing rumours on the matter, but added there was nothing official on the leadership issue.

Members of UNC executive confirmed that Wednesday’s executive meeting focused on who should be recommended as leader of the UNC Alliance to take the “party of parties” into the general election.

If the Alliance won election, that person would become Prime Minister, they said.

Sources said debate on the issue of leadership of the UNC Alliance focused on the pros and cons of having Warner as leader, as well discussing support for Persad-Bissessar for the post.

Warner who was present at the meeting left early.

Persad-Bissessar arrived late for the meeting as debate on the proposal for Warner was in progress.

The move to appoint a UNC Alliance leader comes on the heels of attempts by UNC financiers to have Panday step aside.

He was recently broached by top party financiers to do so, while he was abroad.

A source said that the incoming Alliance leader could possibly seek to forge an alliance with the COP.

Ganga: COP not joining Alliance

COP Chief whip Ganga Singh yesterday emphatically rejected the idea of COP joining with the UNC or the UNC Alliance “with Jack at the helm, or Kamla, or with or without Panday.”

“We are not joining that entity with or without Panday, or in any form or fashion,” he said.

“They intend to appoint an Alliance leader and keep Panday as UNC leader... What is that? “Panday is not relinquishing leadership, whether is dulahin or the dulaha leading... It doesn’t matter.

COP is out of that... Panday and his proxies are irrelevant since the UNC Alliance doesn’t carry the politics forward.”

Alliance partners eye Jack and Kamla

NDA leader Carson Charles, one of the UNC Alliance partners, said all the groups in the Alliance are expected to meet among themselves and return to the table with recommendations for a leader to be finalised at a council meeting next Thursday.

“Each member of the Leadership Council will be considered by each group and we intend to do it in a dispassionate way—examining the advantages and disadvantages of each person on the leadership council being elevated to the leadership of the Alliance,” he said.

“Each has obvious advantages and disadvantages.

“However, each party will remain with its own structures and party intact after we decide on an Alliance leader.”
Title: Re: Jack tipped to head Alliance
Post by: gothic on September 21, 2007, 11:34:54 PM
oh gawd, i never vote in mi life but if Jackula is head of a party i now have to go and line up to vote.............................for any other party
Title: Re: Jack tipped to head Alliance
Post by: weary1969 on September 21, 2007, 11:35:56 PM
Alliance of man men. Moderators put this nonesense in general discussion
Title: Re: Jack tipped to head Alliance
Post by: SUPA on September 22, 2007, 04:42:54 AM
De mods and dem like dey went and party like me last night boi, and dey still sleeping. Cuz normally dis thread gone from on dis side ah ready. May be dey did see it, and decide tuh leave it here  :-\. HIGHLY BLESSED.
Title: Re: Jack tipped to head Alliance
Post by: Quags on September 22, 2007, 04:46:50 AM
Ah see Supa and Jack warner  taking over the alliance and ah like what the arse is this boi .
Title: Re: Jack tipped to head Alliance
Post by: Bakes on September 22, 2007, 05:03:33 AM
Alliance of man men. Moderators put this nonesense in general discussion
Thread need to stay right here.  If allyuh feel Jack as "special adviser" to the TTFF is bad...wait 'til allyuh try on Jack as PM fuh ah change.

Is how many hats this man plan on wearing??  Given FIFA's abhorrence for the political machinery involving itself in football affairs, it's curious to see how this will play out...having a vice-president as an elected politician in his country.  Nothing necessarily 'wrong' with it...but a curious situation all the same.
Title: Re: Jack tipped to head Alliance
Post by: kounty on September 22, 2007, 05:51:42 AM
Alliance of man men. Moderators put this nonesense in general discussion
Thread need to stay right here. If allyuh feel Jack as "special adviser" to the TTFF is bad...wait 'til allyuh try on Jack as PM fuh ah change.

Is how many hats this man plan on wearing?? Given FIFA's abhorrence for the political machinery involving itself in football affairs, it's curious to see how this will play out...having a vice-president as an elected politician in his country. Nothing necessarily 'wrong' with it...but a curious situation all the same.
ent have no choice dey...you know how much money jack could tief as minister of finance? dat is more dan full time job  :D
Title: Re: Jack tipped to head Alliance
Post by: spideybuff on September 22, 2007, 07:12:45 AM
The end is nigh...the amount of money Jack have and the way the country is these days, he could probably buy the election.
Title: Re: Jack tipped to head Alliance
Post by: SUPA on September 22, 2007, 07:28:35 AM
Ah see Supa and Jack warner  taking over the alliance and ah like what the arse is this boi .


 :thinking:  ;D. HIGHLY BLESSED.
Title: Re: Jack tipped to head Alliance
Post by: sjahrain on September 22, 2007, 07:33:35 AM
 :devil:.......The Devil cannot serve two masters..... :devil:
Check this out

If by some strange circumstance he becomes PM,will he be forced to give up his title as FIFA VP

We could be asking ourselves,where all the money gone from the minisrty of finance gone..... :devil:
Title: Re: Jack tipped to head Alliance
Post by: behind-de-bridge on September 22, 2007, 08:05:08 AM
If Jack 'Sheriff Lobo' Warner ever became PM of T&T, the last person to leave the islands, please turn off the lights!
Title: Re: Jack tipped to head Alliance
Post by: zuluwarrior on September 22, 2007, 08:16:08 AM
Iz jack who start it he went on the political stage when was his time to speak and start talking bout football .alyuh forgettin or wah.
Title: Re: Jack tipped to head Alliance
Post by: trinbago on September 22, 2007, 09:02:32 AM
De mods and dem like dey went and party like me last night boi, and dey still sleeping. Cuz normally dis thread gone from on dis side ah ready. May be dey did see it, and decide tuh leave it here  :-\. HIGHLY BLESSED.

Supa...like you still sleeping!!

This section deals with everything related to football right ???....and you know who Jack is right ??
Are you saying this topic is unrelated to footbal and should not be here?
Title: Re: Jack tipped to head Alliance
Post by: SUPA on September 22, 2007, 10:50:38 AM
De mods and dem like dey went and party like me last night boi, and dey still sleeping. Cuz normally dis thread gone from on dis side ah ready. May be dey did see it, and decide tuh leave it here  :-\. HIGHLY BLESSED.

Supa...like you still sleeping!!

This section deals with everything related to football right ???....and you know who Jack is right ??
Are you saying this topic is unrelated to footbal and should not be here?

But what de hell is dis, no wonder ah couldn't get ah long sleep, yuh calling up meh name while ah trying tuh take ah lil nap. Lawd is me alone yuh see dat say dat, leave Supa in peace nah  ;D. Ah like Jack on dis forum, ah always in some bacchanal. De reason why ah said may be it should be moved as another member suggested, is because it have ah political swing tuh it, dey talking about de man position, in relation tuh election. De man have 2 very important positions, one is in football and de other is in politics, so what is yuh point. Politics is politics, football is football, so chill nah. I doh care what all yuh think, dat is my opinion, seen. However, at de end ah de day, is de mods and dem tuh decide where it should be. I doh give ah damn wey dey put it, ah just thankful fuh de lil info on de forum tuh read, dem thing is small thing tuh me, so leave meh in peace, let meh get some sleep please  ;D  :beermug:. HIGHLY BLESSED.
Title: Re: Jack tipped to head Alliance
Post by: D.H.W on September 22, 2007, 10:57:01 AM
God help our country  :o when u think it cah get worse
Title: Re: Jack tipped to head Alliance
Post by: Bakes on September 22, 2007, 12:48:55 PM
But what de hell is dis, no wonder ah couldn't get ah long sleep, yuh calling up meh name while ah trying tuh take ah lil nap. Lawd is me alone yuh see dat say dat, leave Supa in peace nah  ;D. Ah like Jack on dis forum, ah always in some bacchanal. De reason why ah said may be it should be moved as another member suggested, is because it have ah political swing tuh it, dey talking about de man position, in relation tuh election. De man have 2 very important positions, one is in football and de other is in politics, so what is yuh point. Politics is politics, football is football, so chill nah. I doh care what all yuh think, dat is my opinion, seen. However, at de end ah de day, is de mods and dem tuh decide where it should be. I doh give ah damn wey dey put it, ah just thankful fuh de lil info on de forum tuh read, dem thing is small thing tuh me, so leave meh in peace, let meh get some sleep please  ;D  :beermug:. HIGHLY BLESSED.

I think Jack having any kind of political power would have serious ramifications for TnT football...as a consequence what happens in the political arena vis-a-vis Jack, is very pertinent to the discussion of TnT football.  This is why I say it still belongs here.
Title: Re: Jack tipped to head Alliance
Post by: palos on September 22, 2007, 01:10:05 PM
But what de hell is dis, no wonder ah couldn't get ah long sleep, yuh calling up meh name while ah trying tuh take ah lil nap. Lawd is me alone yuh see dat say dat, leave Supa in peace nah  ;D. Ah like Jack on dis forum, ah always in some bacchanal. De reason why ah said may be it should be moved as another member suggested, is because it have ah political swing tuh it, dey talking about de man position, in relation tuh election. De man have 2 very important positions, one is in football and de other is in politics, so what is yuh point. Politics is politics, football is football, so chill nah. I doh care what all yuh think, dat is my opinion, seen. However, at de end ah de day, is de mods and dem tuh decide where it should be. I doh give ah damn wey dey put it, ah just thankful fuh de lil info on de forum tuh read, dem thing is small thing tuh me, so leave meh in peace, let meh get some sleep please  ;D  :beermug:. HIGHLY BLESSED.

I think Jack having any kind of political power would have serious ramifications for TnT football...as a consequence what happens in the political arena vis-a-vis Jack, is very pertinent to the discussion of TnT football.  This is why I say it still belongs here.

Ah ketch yuh point re: whether this thread need to stay in de football forum or not.  

However, Jack had political power when UNC was in power.  Situation wit T&T Football remain de same den.  Tink de military does call it SNAFU.
Title: Re: Jack tipped to head Alliance
Post by: Bakes on September 22, 2007, 01:17:06 PM
Ah ketch yuh point re: whether this thread need to stay in de football forum or not.  

However, Jack had political power when UNC was in power.  Situation wit T&T Football remain de same den.  Tink de military does call it SNAFU.

Jack had no real political power under the previous UNC regime, he was an 'adviser' that was about the extent of it as far as I see it.  Now however he's actually running for elected office, presumably the highest office in the land, that of Prime Minister.  I think Prime Minister-Special Adviser-FIFA Vice President-Chief Crook-Usual Suspect, Jack Warner promises significant repercussions (be they good or bad) for TnT football.
Title: Re: Jack tipped to head Alliance
Post by: WestCoast on September 22, 2007, 01:17:48 PM
 Tink de military does call it SNAFU.
SNAFU (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNAFU)
dais it right there
Lawd, I hope Mr Warner gets out of football soon.
Title: Re: Jack tipped to head Alliance
Post by: trinbago on September 22, 2007, 01:25:03 PM
De mods and dem like dey went and party like me last night boi, and dey still sleeping. Cuz normally dis thread gone from on dis side ah ready. May be dey did see it, and decide tuh leave it here  :-\. HIGHLY BLESSED.

Supa...like you still sleeping!!

This section deals with everything related to football right ???....and you know who Jack is right ??
Are you saying this topic is unrelated to footbal and should not be here?

But what de hell is dis, no wonder ah couldn't get ah long sleep, yuh calling up meh name while ah trying tuh take ah lil nap. Lawd is me alone yuh see dat say dat, leave Supa in peace nah  ;D. Ah like Jack on dis forum, ah always in some bacchanal. De reason why ah said may be it should be moved as another member suggested, is because it have ah political swing tuh it, dey talking about de man position, in relation tuh election. De man have 2 very important positions, one is in football and de other is in politics, so what is yuh point. Politics is politics, football is football, so chill nah. I doh care what all yuh think, dat is my opinion, seen. However, at de end ah de day, is de mods and dem tuh decide where it should be. I doh give ah damn wey dey put it, ah just thankful fuh de lil info on de forum tuh read, dem thing is small thing tuh me, so leave meh in peace, let meh get some sleep please  ;D  :beermug:. HIGHLY BLESSED.

Are you saying there is no politics in football?   :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Jack tipped to head Alliance
Post by: SUPA on September 22, 2007, 02:24:11 PM
But what de hell is dis, no wonder ah couldn't get ah long sleep, yuh calling up meh name while ah trying tuh take ah lil nap. Lawd is me alone yuh see dat say dat, leave Supa in peace nah  ;D. Ah like Jack on dis forum, ah always in some bacchanal. De reason why ah said may be it should be moved as another member suggested, is because it have ah political swing tuh it, dey talking about de man position, in relation tuh election. De man have 2 very important positions, one is in football and de other is in politics, so what is yuh point. Politics is politics, football is football, so chill nah. I doh care what all yuh think, dat is my opinion, seen. However, at de end ah de day, is de mods and dem tuh decide where it should be. I doh give ah damn wey dey put it, ah just thankful fuh de lil info on de forum tuh read, dem thing is small thing tuh me, so leave meh in peace, let meh get some sleep please  ;D  :beermug:. HIGHLY BLESSED.

I think Jack having any kind of political power would have serious ramifications for TnT football...as a consequence what happens in the political arena vis-a-vis Jack, is very pertinent to the discussion of TnT football.  This is why I say it still belongs here.

Dat is one ah de reasons Bake n Shark, you are one of the few members here dat ah hold nuff respect for. Although we cool, when is time tuh disagree wid meh, yuh does disagree wid meh. Guess what, ah like dat, tuh see ah man act like ah man, not like ah lil wimp. Any way, all yuh see meh boi B n S say it should be here, weel it staying here. However, mey boi, ah still stand by meh post eh, politics is politics and football is football, no love lost, one love still  ;)  ;D  :beermug:. HIGHLY BLESSED.
Title: Re: Jack tipped to head Alliance
Post by: SUPA on September 22, 2007, 02:30:33 PM
De mods and dem like dey went and party like me last night boi, and dey still sleeping. Cuz normally dis thread gone from on dis side ah ready. May be dey did see it, and decide tuh leave it here  :-\. HIGHLY BLESSED.

Supa...like you still sleeping!!

This section deals with everything related to football right ???....and you know who Jack is right ??
Are you saying this topic is unrelated to footbal and should not be here?

But what de hell is dis, no wonder ah couldn't get ah long sleep, yuh calling up meh name while ah trying tuh take ah lil nap. Lawd is me alone yuh see dat say dat, leave Supa in peace nah  ;D. Ah like Jack on dis forum, ah always in some bacchanal. De reason why ah said may be it should be moved as another member suggested, is because it have ah political swing tuh it, dey talking about de man position, in relation tuh election. De man have 2 very important positions, one is in football and de other is in politics, so what is yuh point. Politics is politics, football is football, so chill nah. I doh care what all yuh think, dat is my opinion, seen. However, at de end ah de day, is de mods and dem tuh decide where it should be. I doh give ah damn wey dey put it, ah just thankful fuh de lil info on de forum tuh read, dem thing is small thing tuh me, so leave meh in peace, let meh get some sleep please  ;D  :beermug:. HIGHLY BLESSED.

Are you saying there is no politics in football?   :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Bago, now yuh start tuh get technical eh, mister ah tell yuh ah ready, tuh leave meh tuh get some Saturday rest nah. Wey yuh harassing meh for yute?  ;D :beermug:. HIGHLY BLESSED.
Title: Re: Jack tipped to head Alliance
Post by: trinbago on September 22, 2007, 02:42:51 PM
De mods and dem like dey went and party like me last night boi, and dey still sleeping. Cuz normally dis thread gone from on dis side ah ready. May be dey did see it, and decide tuh leave it here  :-\. HIGHLY BLESSED.

Supa...like you still sleeping!!

This section deals with everything related to football right ???....and you know who Jack is right ??
Are you saying this topic is unrelated to footbal and should not be here?

But what de hell is dis, no wonder ah couldn't get ah long sleep, yuh calling up meh name while ah trying tuh take ah lil nap. Lawd is me alone yuh see dat say dat, leave Supa in peace nah  ;D. Ah like Jack on dis forum, ah always in some bacchanal. De reason why ah said may be it should be moved as another member suggested, is because it have ah political swing tuh it, dey talking about de man position, in relation tuh election. De man have 2 very important positions, one is in football and de other is in politics, so what is yuh point. Politics is politics, football is football, so chill nah. I doh care what all yuh think, dat is my opinion, seen. However, at de end ah de day, is de mods and dem tuh decide where it should be. I doh give ah damn wey dey put it, ah just thankful fuh de lil info on de forum tuh read, dem thing is small thing tuh me, so leave meh in peace, let meh get some sleep please  ;D  :beermug:. HIGHLY BLESSED.

Are you saying there is no politics in football?   :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Bago, now yuh start tuh get technical eh, mister ah tell yuh ah ready, tuh leave meh tuh get some Saturday rest nah. Wey yuh harassing meh for yute?  ;D :beermug:. HIGHLY BLESSED.

Ahhright...Ahhright SUPA.....get some rest   ;D
Title: Re: Jack tipped to head Alliance
Post by: Bakes on September 22, 2007, 04:18:51 PM

Dat is one ah de reasons Bake n Shark, you are one of the few members here dat ah hold nuff respect for. Although we cool, when is time tuh disagree wid meh, yuh does disagree wid meh. Guess what, ah like dat, tuh see ah man act like ah man, not like ah lil wimp. Any way, all yuh see meh boi B n S say it should be here, weel it staying here. However, mey boi, ah still stand by meh post eh, politics is politics and football is football, no love lost, one love still  ;)  ;D  :beermug:. HIGHLY BLESSED.

lol...of course man  :beermug:
Title: Re: Jack tipped to head Alliance
Post by: E-man on September 23, 2007, 10:25:34 AM
Jack as UNC leader makes Manning a merry man
Phoolo Danny-Maharaj South Bureau  


Sunday, September 23rd 2007
 
 ACK Warner as leader of the UNC Alliance is no threat to the People's National Movement (PNM), according to Prime Minister Patrick Manning.

Manning simply laughed at the idea that his party could be defeated by the UNC/Alliance headed by Warner in the upcoming general elections.

Speaking with members of the media following the formal opening of the sixth area office in the San Fernando constituency in Blanche Fraser Street yesterday, Manning said he smiled, when he saw the newspaper headline "Jack in Charge - Panday offers Warner Alliance leadership." The article suggested that Warner was tipped to lead the UNC/Alliance into the elections.

Manning said: "When I saw it this morning, I only smiled."

He said the story reminded him of when "ANR Robinson was prime minister and leader, but Mr Basdeo Panday was just waiting on time. And after the elections, when he could not have his way, he pulled his support out and formed the UNC and caused the NAR to collapse."

Manning added that the UNC/Alliance was not different. "And the strategy is exactly the same. But I wish Jack well. He is not a threat to me or to the PNM. He is good to play football. I am not sure he could play that either."

On the issue of observers for the elections, Manning said he did not ignore Winston Dookeran who had asked for the Commonwealth Secretariat to be observers as well as to have Caricom observers. He pointed out that "observers are normally called for in circumstances where doubt has been cast on the integrity of the process, but that is not so in Trinidad and Tobago".
 
Title: Re: Jack tipped to head Alliance
Post by: E-man on October 04, 2007, 11:46:45 AM
Kamla, Jackin Alliance battle
By Clint Chan Tack (Newsday)


Thursday, October 4 2007

click on pic to zoom inKamla Persad-Bissessar...Opposition Leader Kamla Persad-Bissessar is likely to face off against UNC deputy political leader Jack Warner for the top post of the UNC Alliance which meets today to chose who will lead the coalition of political parties into the November 5 General Election.

Persad-Bissessar yesterday sought to downplay the two-way race between Warner and herself and would only say that leadership talks were “ongoing.”

She said those talks were adjourned on Tuesday because Warner is out of the country. Warner returns to Trinidad today and will attend this afternoon’s meeting at Emerald Plaza, St Augustine.

And even though, some members of the Alliance’s leadership council say UNC leader Basdeo Panday is eligible, today’s Privy Council ruling on his appeal of a Court of Appeal ruling that he be retried on integrity charges may eliminate any chance he has of assuming the leadership position.

Not commenting on his legal battle, Panday yesterday insisted that the Alliance did not need “a leader of leaders” to guide it to victory at the polls.

But YesTT chairman Stephen Cadiz said it would be hard for the Alliance to contest the election without a single leader and whoever is chosen “will be more than acceptable by the electorate.” Cadiz said the choice had been narrowed down to “two or three persons” but he could not reveal their identities.

NAR leader Carson Charles said all members of the leadership council, including Panday, are being considered for the post. Charles said he was to meet with the NAR’s management team last night to discuss what happened at Tuesday’s meeting and to decide who it would support when the council meets today.

Charles added that the Alliance will not be unveiling an election manifesto on Sunday, as it’s in the final stages of preparation and has to be presented to the council before it’s made public.

The question of a manifesto was one of the factors that caused a minor shake-up in the Alliance on Tuesday, when the Democratic National Assembly (DNA) walked out of the Emerald Plaza talks.

In a statement, the DNA said Alliance members disagreed with the DNA’s wish to stick to its own manifesto and its position on “the liberation of Tobago through federation.”

The DNA said political leader Dr Kirk Meighoo turned down offers for it to put up candidates for Caroni East and Chaguanas East on an Alliance platform saying that would have been a betrayal of DNA Tobago political leader Collin Coker.

The DNA said it withdrew from the meeting, which it attended in a bid to form an “electoral arrangement” with the UNC and the Congress of the People, as a result.

“The DNA will not be bullied by tribal politicians,” said the party.

The rumblings in the Alliance also extended to reports that former Attorney General Ramesh Lawrence Maharaj will replace Kelvin Ramnath as its Couva South candidate. Ramnath was scheduled to undergo heart surgery in Canada yesterday.

While Ramnath has insisted he is ready for the election, Panday said the MP’s post-surgery recovery would determine that. Panday denied that Maharaj was being considered for the candidacy.


Kamla Persad-Bissessar Could Lead Trinidad Opposition To Polls
Hardbeatnews


PORT-OF-SPAIN, Trinidad, Thurs. Oct. 4, 2007: Deputy Political Leader of the United National Congress Alliance of Trinidad & Tobago, Jack Warner, has the last say on who will lead the party in the next election.

Warner, according to the Trinidad Express, is expected to give his blessings to Opposition Leader Kamla Persad-Bissessar to lead the UNC Alliance to the November 5th polls.

"Persad-Bissessar has the support of the members of the leadership council and we strongly believe she is the person to take the UNC Alliance forward," the paper quoted a source as saying.

TV6 News reported last night that party officials were considering either the team of Jack Warner and Basdeo Panday or Kamla Persad-Bissessar for the election.

Persad-Bissessar declined comment.

T&T nationals will vote to elect a new government next month after Prime Minister, Patrick Manning, called the election on September 28th.

Forty-one seats are up for grabs in the twin-island parliament. There are 980,000 registered voters in a country of 1.3 million. Nationals last went to the poll in 2001, where after a close race, the PNP won 20 seats to take the government from the United National Congress. – Hardbeatnews.com.
Title: Re: Jack tipped to head Alliance
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on October 04, 2007, 01:26:08 PM
If Jack 'Sheriff Lobo' Warner ever became PM of T&T, the last person to leave the islands, please turn off the lights!

lol, yuh real make meh laugh

no good could come of Jack being PM
Title: Re: Jack tipped to head Alliance
Post by: Brownsugar on October 04, 2007, 02:09:00 PM
Ah goh vote.....for anybody else just to make sure de UNC headed by Jack eh get in power cuz lord help we....

Leh we pray dat dis eh come to fruition.....
Title: Re: Jack tipped to head Alliance
Post by: sammy on October 04, 2007, 05:07:44 PM
Just heard n the news that Jack will be the official leader for the "UNC alliance" into the elections however, they still have to decide on PM if they win.
Title: Re: Jack tipped to head Alliance
Post by: D.H.W on October 04, 2007, 05:11:56 PM
lol somebody beat meh to that news lol imagaine it have a very remote chance that man could be prime minister  ::) lol, alyuh see where we world cup money going  :devil:
Title: Re: Jack tipped to head Alliance
Post by: grskywalker on October 04, 2007, 05:12:33 PM
AHHHHHHHHH RUNN FOR THE  HILLLSS CLOSE YUH DOOORS!

J-J-J-JACK IN YUH A-A-A-ASS
Title: Re: Jack tipped to head Alliance
Post by: E-man on October 04, 2007, 05:13:34 PM
lol somebody beat meh to that news lol imagaine it have a very remote chance that man could be prime minister  ::) lol, alyuh see where we world cup money going  :devil:

What seat (constituency) would Jack be running for on the outside chance that he does?
Title: Re: Jack tipped to head Alliance
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on October 04, 2007, 10:35:26 PM
lol somebody beat meh to that news lol imagaine it have a very remote chance that man could be prime minister  ::) lol, alyuh see where we world cup money going  :devil:

What seat (constituency) would Jack be running for on the outside chance that he does?


somewhere where he would win, probably a UNC stronghold

to be PM you have to win in your constituency
Title: Re: Jack tipped to head Alliance
Post by: Montjoy on October 05, 2007, 04:24:28 AM
Dis Thread doh belong in de General Discussion nah, it belong in de Jokes "Pure Kicks"  :rotfl:
Title: Re: Jack tipped to head Alliance
Post by: redtrinigirl on October 05, 2007, 05:35:20 AM
Well fack me! Anytime dat facker or Panday get in power I staying in the UK.

Where's a good microwave oven when yuh need one? (Panday does have a pacemaker in doesn't he?) :devil:

My god, just when yuh thought the country done reach rock bottom and things can only get better from now on. A!
Title: Re: Jack tipped to head Alliance
Post by: ON DE BLOCK on October 05, 2007, 10:58:57 AM
Well fack me! Anytime dat facker or Panday get in power I staying in the UK.

Where's a good microwave oven when yuh need one? (Panday does have a pacemaker in doesn't he?) :devil:

My god, just when yuh thought the country done reach rock bottom and things can only get better from now on. A!

pnm/unc same difference, via jack 'mr.racket' warner we went world cup,tnt ballers see money, new stadium,foreign contracts etc..there is no stopping RACKET MAN, no matter who win I in trini, the sweetest place on de planet.....
Title: Re: Jack tipped to head Alliance
Post by: E-man on October 05, 2007, 11:03:02 AM
IT'S BAS AND JACK!
Kamla loses race for UNC Alliance leadership
Anna Ramdass aramdass@trinidadexpress.com


Friday, October 5th 2007

Opposition Leader Kamla Persad-Bissessar lost the leadership race yesterday, as United National Congress Political Leader Basdeo Panday and Deputy Political Leader Jack Warner emerged as dual leaders of the UNC Alliance.

As she left the House of Chan restaurant in St Augustine last night, where several high profile members of the UNC Alliance had met to discuss the leadership issue for several hours, Persad-Bissessar appeared to put on a strong front as she told the media that the decision of the leadership council was final.

Only moments before that, however, a triumphant Warner told the media, "This is the dream team. To beat this you have to come better, not good."

Warner then embraced Panday and held his hand in unity.

"This is my dream come true," Warner added.

The decision was made after a close to five-hour meeting.

Persad-Bissessar had been the front-runner for the post heading into yesterday's meeting and sources close to her said she was very disappointed, as she had high hopes for the leadership position, and especially the possibility of emerging as the first female prime minister of the country.

According to sources, the leadership was initially leaning in Persad-Bissessar's favour, as she had the support of Panday who had initially said, "I don't want the job". She was said to be the favoured choice after the leadership council held a meeting at the same location on Tuesday.

However, upon the return of Warner, who was absent from Tuesday's meeting because he was out of the country, everything changed.

Sources said that Warner did not feel Persad-Bissessar could have led the party into elections and to victory, and the only person who he had faith and confidence in was Panday.

After yesterday's meeting, according to Warner, the leadership council unanimously agreed that he and Panday should lead the party in the November 5 General Elections.

The members of the UNC Alliance leadership council who met yesterday were Panday, Warner, Persad-Bissessar, YEStt's Stephen Cadiz, Democratic Party of Trinidad and Tobago (DPTT) leader Steve Alvarez, NAR leader Dr Carson Charles and Leader of Laventille for Laventillians Lennox Smith.

Warner said this dual leadership was decided upon because of the racial divide in the country.

"This arrangement has come about because of our concern about the two major sectors of the society, that we will have to get together. Historically they have been apart and this arrangement will be one that hopefully will draw them together," Warner said.

When questioned as to what role Persad-Bissessar would play in the party with the current arrangement, he said: "We will make room for our other leaders in the leadership council at various levels."

When asked if the UNC Alliance wins the election who would be the prime minister - himself or Panday - Warner said that would be determined after the election. Panday meanwhile offered: "We have realised this country has been traditionally divided on racial lines, particularly political racial lines. What we are trying to do is heal that wound in society and to unite our people in the tremendous political struggle."
 
Title: Re: Jack tipped to head Alliance
Post by: dinho on October 05, 2007, 11:53:07 AM
Well fack me! Anytime dat facker or Panday get in power I staying in the UK.

Where's a good microwave oven when yuh need one? (Panday does have a pacemaker in doesn't he?) :devil:

My god, just when yuh thought the country done reach rock bottom and things can only get better from now on. A!


 :o  ::)   :-\  :thinking:   :wavetowel:   ;D
Title: Re: Jack tipped to head Alliance
Post by: grimm01 on October 05, 2007, 12:46:52 PM
well us this UNC alliance leadership ting is real tears yes. i would love to know what kinda arrangements these men make to decide who get the PM spot if they win. here we have two scamps with equally large egos and den Kamla, you mean to tell me if the PM spot up for grabs it will be a civilised affair? they fooling themselves. i am reminded of Cro Cro old tune, "3 Bo Rat Cyah Live in One Hole" only this time it's 2.5 rats.
Title: Re: Jack tipped to head Alliance
Post by: dcs on October 05, 2007, 01:33:54 PM

Go brave and dig your own hole.
Go and buy a car, boat or plane instead nah.
steupse
Title: Re: Jack tipped to head Alliance
Post by: WestCoast on October 06, 2007, 06:49:16 PM
i am reminded of Cro Cro old tune, "3 Bo Rat Cyah Live in One Hole" only this time it's 2.5 rats.
check de video here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3XVRiXDojU&mode=related&search=Fernandes%20Vat%2019%20Rum%20Commercial%20Trini%20Trinidad
Title: Kamla's 'special role' ..... President of T&T
Post by: E-man on October 06, 2007, 11:00:08 PM
Kamla's 'special role' ..... President of T&T
Express


Sunday, October 7th 2007
 
WILL SHE ACCEPT? Kamla Persad-Bissessar

President of Trinidad and Tobago. That's the "special pivotal role" UNC leader Basdeo Panday will be offering sidelined Opposition Leader Kamla Persad-Bissessar today as the party's mass rally at Mid Centre Mall in Chaguanas, sources have confirmed to the Sunday Express.

Sources have described this move, which they said was hastily contrived on Friday morning, as a desperate final attempt to minimise the significant fallout from the party's ground supporters and serious damage to the party's national image that has resulted because of Panday's decision to appoint UNC deputy political leader Jack Warner as chairman of the UNC Alliance, to co-lead the party into the November 5 polls alongside him.

This was done on Thursday night after the UNC A's leadership council met for over six hours to decide on a leader for the elections, and settled for Panday's suggested Warner/Panday duo, despite the fact that the UNC leader had himself nominated Persad-Bissessar to be the Alliance's prime ministerial candidate.

The fallout which, sources said, was completely unexpected and which has hit the UNC like ton of bricks, was exacerbated on Friday when the Opposition leader was a no-show for a news conference at the party's Port of Spain office.

Panday and Warner said they had a special role for her, which Panday promised to reveal tomorrow at the rally.

Sources said the Panday/Warner "caba" which hastily came up with the idea of President believe they will be able to sell this to the country as an offer Persad-Bissessar "simply can't refuse."

One source noted that since the Opposition Leader has not been in contact with this group since they tried to box her into a corner on Thursday, the new leadership believes that she will once more be boxed into a corner and accept this promised role.

But another source said they may be in for "a grand surprise."

The source noted:

"The fact is that Panday himself has consistently refused this position when previously offered to him by members of the party, and even the Congress of the People, saying the ceremonial position is token one and bears no real power."

The source noted that at the meeting last month in Bombay Restaurant in London, a possible presidential role was held out to Panday by former financiers of the party, including CL Financial head Lawrence Duprey.

The 74-year-old UNC leader, who is facing two sets of corruption charges, said then that he wanted one more term as Prime Minister and bluntly refused to leave.

"So that they expect Kamla to accept this nonsense after being slighted is ridiculous, especially when she is at the height of her political career and clearly the party's most popular choice for leader, not only within the UNC, but nationally. They must know she has more pride and dignity than that," said the source.

Noting that President George Maxwell Richards still has two years in his term to go, the source said that for Persad-Bissessar to accept this "delayed position means she will not be afforded any serious position of leadership in the party for two years if she contests and wins her Siparia seat.

"So it seems as if this is really a move to completely get rid of her, and the real competition she poses, in the long run," the source said.

"Their damage control efforts are too little and too late", the source said.

Persad-Bissessar remained unreachable by telephone yesterday, but staff members at her constituency office have confirmed to the Sunday Express that she will be appearing on the platform today, and will deliver her address as billed.

"I expect she will answer all questions and offers posed to her then," said one staff member.
 
Title: Re: Jack tipped to head Alliance
Post by: E-man on October 06, 2007, 11:13:16 PM
Boy in Trinidad you don't need a Daily Show or a Rush Limbaugh to spoof these guys. They spoof themselves.  :rotfl:
Title: Re: Kamla's 'special role' ..... President of T&T
Post by: WestCoast on October 07, 2007, 07:08:23 AM
Kamla's 'special role' ..... President of T&T
Express


Sunday, October 7th 2007
 
WILL SHE ACCEPT? Kamla Persad-Bissessar

President of Trinidad and Tobago. That's the "special pivotal role" UNC leader Basdeo Panday will be offering sidelined Opposition Leader Kamla Persad-Bissessar today as the party's mass rally at Mid Centre Mall in Chaguanas, sources have confirmed to the Sunday Express.
Do like ATO and...............Run...........in your case, Run to COP...............and as fast as you can...you dont have the kinda ah money that Jackula has which in my opinion he is using to bribe people, obviously ::)

"This was done on Thursday night after the UNC A's leadership council met for over six hours to decide on a leader for the elections, and settled for Panday's suggested Warner/Panday duo, despite the fact that the UNC leader had himself nominated Persad-Bissessar to be the Alliance's prime ministerial candidate."
You ent kidding E-Man
Damn......I am wondering if Jackula is paying off Panday spending we world cup money to forward his position in de UNC ;)
Title: Re: Jack tipped to head Alliance
Post by: Brownsugar on October 07, 2007, 11:22:41 AM
Yuh know in a way Kamla deserve wha she get.....she is de perfect example of sycophan, toe-de-party-line, ah-love-Bas-till-ah-dead, UNC till ah dead type supporter.....like she cyar think for she self....

Ah eh no UNC supporter but Panday real f-up on dis one....
Title: Re: Jack tipped to head Alliance
Post by: WestCoast on October 07, 2007, 12:34:57 PM
Yuh know in a way Kamla deserve wha she get.....she is de perfect example of sycophan, toe-de-party-line, ah-love-Bas-till-ah-dead, UNC till ah dead type supporter.....like she cyar think for she self....
Ah eh no UNC supporter but Panday real f-up on dis one....
Brownsugar, dat is HOW poliTRICKS does work ALL over the world. I know here in Canada it does work so....

when you see things like this quote...
""This was done on Thursday night after the UNC A's leadership council met for over six hours to decide on a leader for the elections, and settled for Panday's suggested Warner/Panday duo, despite the fact that the UNC leader had himself nominated Persad-Bissessar to be the Alliance's prime ministerial candidate.""
that right there gives me the impression that somebody, by some under handed means, got the leader to change his mind.
it is my opinion that maybe that is where OUR world cup money went.
 if ya ketch my dfrit.
Title: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: E-man on October 18, 2007, 12:02:45 PM
Jack Warner and the goal of politics
BY ANDRE BAGOO (Newsday)


Thursday, October 18 2007

JACK WARNER, 64, is a very busy man.

One day in his calender looks something like this- 4am: early morning meeting, 5am: respond to e-mails and correspondence, 6am: a second meeting, 7am: a third meeting, 9am: instruct staff and liaise with Zurich and Guatemala, 10am: co-ordinate political work for the day, 11.30am: constituency walk-abouts begin.

Somewhere in there, he will prepare a speech for a political rally, have further meetings with UNC Alliance officials and field questions from journalists.

But despite his busy schedule, the FIFA Vice-President and Chair of the UNC Alliance found time to tell us what he has in common with the late Dr Eric Williams, why he supports an Executive Presidency in Trinidad and Tobago, what are his goals for entering the political realm, and why many of today’s generations of PNM politicians, including Ken Valley, owe a debt to him. While many know of Warner’s past as a longstanding teacher (he taught for over 30 years at all levels, including a post teaching history at Polytechnic), not many realise that several prominent PNM faces were taught by him.

“I was happy to have taught Camille Robinson-Regis, to have taught (the second) Eric Williams, to have taught Franklin Khan and to have taught Roger Boynes. I taught all these guys. I even taught Ken Valley,” he reveals.

“For good or evil these guys are all products of Jack Warner and Ken Valley’s rebellious mode today is what I instilled in him,” he says.

Why would someone who is known for working quietly behind the scene on a number of charitable projects, who has clearly risen to a position of prominence in the football world, now turn to the messy world of politics?

“It is important to me how much comfort, how much happiness the people of this country have. And that is what has guided me to politics. When I see the disgrace, the ‘squandermania’ taking place, I grieve. When I see that we build fantastic tall buildings but no hospital beds, we build a palace but be can’t build two police stations in four years, that a drizzle is a cause for flood, it is painful because I’ve travelled and I’ve seen countries that have done more with less. I want to try to make a difference,” he says. He will be contesting the Chaguanas West seat. And he is confident that he has the support of the UNC grass-roots.

“I have always had the support of the UNC grassroots,” he says.

“I am totally for an executive president,” Warner says. He argues that there is nothing wrong with the concept and says he would support the Ellis Clarke Draft Constitution (which proposes such a President to be ‘elected’ by Parliament), once it is changed to let the people themselves choose their leader.

“One man one vote, not any kind of cabal in the parliament,” he says. “It will be like the US system and I do not have a problem with that. It should be a president of the people, not of the parliament and that is my belief.” But then, what of the arrangement of the UNC Alliance for this year’s polls? Panday has refused to name a “leader” saying if the Alliance wins the election, a Prime Minister would later be chosen from those who won seats. “The (main) contenders will meet and they will determine who is the best person among them and if they can’t then the people will have to decide,” Warner explains.

But is this not “election” by a “cabal”? If he one day becomes Prime Minister, what will be his first task? “The first thing I will do is to re-affirm my salary of $1 a month. I will take the salary, take a dollar from it and give the rest to charity.”

After fixing his salary, he says he will then go on to focus on crime, education and, of course, sport. Warner was born on January 26, 1943. He was precocious.

“If I came second in test I cried like a baby,” he says.

His parents, Stella and Wilton Warner, worked at once stage in a brick factory. When Warner missed out on a government scholarship by placing 251th in the country, the brick factory would give him a scholarship. It was the first of several scholarships.

“I wanted to go in the police service,” Warner says. But his parents pushed him to become a teacher. He retired at 50.

A football player on the local scene, he worked his way up as an official on local councils. By 1983 he was a member of the FIFA Executive Committee and became CONCACAF President in 1990. For Warner, his own journey in life has been symbolic.

“The sky is the limit to what you can achieve,” he says as he takes a quiet sip from his tea.

Title: Re: Jack Warner and the goal of politics
Post by: WestCoast on October 18, 2007, 08:59:18 PM
"“I was happy to have taught Camille Robinson-Regis, to have taught (the second) Eric Williams, to have taught Franklin Khan and to have taught Roger Boynes. I taught all these guys. I even taught Ken Valley,” he reveals.
“For good or evil these guys are all products of Jack Warner and Ken Valley’s rebellious mode today is what I instilled in him,” he says. "
 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Sir, Sir, you are the greatest oui
Title: Jacko bring joy to Brasso students
Post by: zuluwarrior on December 19, 2007, 08:18:19 AM
Although being away on Fifa business all the way in Tokyo, Japan, Concacaf President Jack Warner still ensured that the students of the Brasso Venado Government Primary School collected their Christmas presents on the last day of the School term on Friday.

Warner staff members visited the Brasso School where they delivered treats and presents to every student. Warner adopted the school last year and has been providing year round assistance since 2005.

Even in his absence the students put on a concert in his honour and Principal Marilyn Villafana said that her students are grateful for Warner’s assistance.

 

It read, Jack Oh Jack, Jolly Jack. Dedication to duty you never lack. We welcome you beloved hero, we welcome you to Brasso Venado. Never yet have you disappointed us. Neither a quarrel nor a fuss. You always assist us in our cause, you are indeed our Santa Claus.

Willing to Care, always willing to share. Bringing to us that Christmas cheer. Making us smile, making us laugh.

Parents, students and members of staff.
 
©2005-2006 Trinidad Publishing Company Limited
Designed by: Randall Rajkumar-Maharaj · Updated daily by: Sheahan Farrell

 
Title: Shameless jackulah acts concerned!
Post by: just cool on February 13, 2008, 04:51:24 AM
What an unadulterated ass wipe jack warner could be , as he act's so conserned about crime and lawlessness when he himself is guilty of oppressing our hero's. what a batty hole!
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161277376.
Title: Re: Shameless jackulah acts concerned!
Post by: WestCoast on February 13, 2008, 05:07:14 AM
What an unadulterated ass wipe jack warner could be , as he act's so conserned about crime and lawlessness when he himself is guilty of oppressing our hero's. what a batty hole!
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161277376.
He looks real concerned
(http://www.trinidadexpress.com//shared/images/2008/02/13/n4.jpg)
what a politician eh
Title: Re: Shameless jackulah acts concerned!
Post by: D.H.W on February 13, 2008, 07:08:03 AM
What an unadulterated ass wipe jack warner could be , as he act's so conserned about crime and lawlessness when he himself is guilty of oppressing our hero's. what a batty hole!
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161277376.

that is why he get shoot down in parliament with his crime recommendation because they say it have other types of crime other than murder, government say how they going to investigate corruption in the 2001 world cup stadiums about drug testing and gym equipment that never reach despite concacaf receiving money to supply it, and that jack deliberately oversell tickets to make money and could have caused the stadium to collapse.
Title: Re: Shameless jackulah acts concerned!
Post by: capodetutticapi on February 13, 2008, 08:26:54 AM
ah like he stance though.
Title: Re: Shameless jackulah acts concerned!
Post by: TrinInfinite on February 13, 2008, 03:50:03 PM
What an unadulterated ass wipe jack warner could be , as he act's so conserned about crime and lawlessness when he himself is guilty of oppressing our hero's. what a batty hole!
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161277376.

at least they visit, when last manning walk up dey? ??? when last manning say he starting a league to get the youths off the street, i cant play blind, warner may not be a saint but at least he willing 2 go do something whether its politics or not...

i juss come from trinidad, piccadilly street to be exact, the area gettin worse, where manning, where is anyone to help the people? schupsss

God is de BOSS....
Title: Re: Shameless jackulah acts concerned!
Post by: D.H.W on February 13, 2008, 05:00:16 PM
What an unadulterated ass wipe jack warner could be , as he act's so conserned about crime and lawlessness when he himself is guilty of oppressing our hero's. what a batty hole!
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161277376.

at least they visit, when last manning walk up dey? ??? when last manning say he starting a league to get the youths off the street, i cant play blind, warner may not be a saint but at least he willing 2 go do something whether its politics or not...

i juss come from trinidad, piccadilly street to be exact, the area gettin worse, where manning, where is anyone to help the people? schupsss

God is de BOSS....

u have a point there  :beermug:
Title: Re: Shameless jackulah acts concerned!
Post by: truetrini on February 13, 2008, 08:58:46 PM
Manning just get thousands to turn out and greet him in Laventille West during the last election!

steups.

Manning tired walk around places like Maloney, La Horquetta, Enterprise, Carenage and Laventille, all de trouble spots in T&T.

Title: Re: Shameless jackulah acts concerned!
Post by: Jah Gol on February 13, 2008, 09:25:29 PM
What an unadulterated ass wipe jack warner could be , as he act's so conserned about crime and lawlessness when he himself is guilty of oppressing our hero's. what a batty hole!
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161277376.

at least they visit, when last manning walk up dey? ??? when last manning say he starting a league to get the youths off the street, i cant play blind, warner may not be a saint but at least he willing 2 go do something whether its politics or not...

i juss come from trinidad, piccadilly street to be exact, the area gettin worse, where manning, where is anyone to help the people? schupsss

God is de BOSS....
What constitutes help ?
Title: Re: Shameless jackulah acts concerned!
Post by: weary1969 on February 14, 2008, 08:12:56 AM
Thank u Jah
Title: Warner dares PM to take 10 per cent wage cut
Post by: weary1969 on November 26, 2008, 10:01:20 PM
I dare him 2 pay d players dey money all 23 of dem even d turncoats

Prime Minister Patrick Manning and his ministers must forego their “taste for champaign” because the country now only has “mauby income.”

And Manning must lead by example and cut his salary by ten per cent.

This is the challenge made yesterday by UNC deputy leader Jack Warner during a press conference at the Concacaf office on Edward Street, Port-of-Spain, following “belt-tightening” suggestions by Manning last week as a result of the country’s recent economic downturn.

Manning had also announced that his ministers were advised to review their respective budgets in order to ensure that expenditure was kept in line with revenue—which was expected to fall short by $6 billion.

Warner said, “Salaries for parliamentarians, I don’t want to talk about because I don’t know nothing about salaries. If you want to demonstrate belt-tightening, it must begin at the top and the prime minister—who doesn’t have a single expense in the world—should begin by cutting his salary by ten per cent and do the same for his ministers.

“I am saying you have to lead by example.”

Warner added, “If I could take a dollar a month as a Member of Parliament, why can’t he (Manning) take $2?”

Manning had also revealed that downward adjustments were being made where publicity, promotion and printing were concerned.

Warner lamented that Government had to spend hundreds of millions of dollars for public relations in the first place.

“All those ads—$300,000 million in ads to tell people how good they (Government) working. If these guys are working good they don’t have to advertise it.

“Let them stop their champaign taste because now we have mauby income.”

Referring to the advanced economy of Dubai, which Manning previously boasted had many opportunities for T&T, Warner claimed it was only on Monday that Dubai declared it was $50 billion in debt.

“Who dotish now?” Warner asked.

Warner also called on Manning to “dip in his back pocket” and call a general election, saying that citizens who made a “mistake” last year, should not have to suffer for the next four years.

Other measures Warner said should be looked at in order to cut expenditure included:

Cancelling the two international conferences next year which cost in excess of $500 million.
Reassess the rapid-rail project
Review buildings which could be downgraded including the Tarouba stadium
Cutting the prime minister’s salary by 50 per cent
Manning makes
$48,000 a mont

Prime Minister Patrick Manning currently earns approximately $48,000.

It was also reported previously that some senior Ministers receive $33,000 and Members of Parliament (who did not have a ministerial portfolio) earned $14,000 a month.

The Opposition has routinely criticised the compensation packages for ministers including that of the Prime Minister and his wife Hazel Manning.

Both Mannings were reported to have an accumulated income of $1.4 million a year.

PM Manning, in addition to his monthly salary, receives $7,500 in duty allowance, transport allowance of $4,500 and a further $20,000 as a travel grant.
 
©2005-2006 Trinida
Title: Warner: Where the money gone?
Post by: Trini _2026 on June 19, 2009, 10:05:42 PM
Warner: Where the money gone?
Trinidad Guardian

 
Jack Warner
Chaguanas West MP Jack Warner wonders where donations given to the United National Congress (UNC) have gone. Speaking in Gasparillo on Thursday night, Warner produced a cheque for $100,000 which was given to the UNC, but the funds cannot be accounted for. The Fifa vice-president threatened to produce more cheques.

“I have been away for some time on matters related to football and, in my absence, I have listened to aspersions levelled against me, questioning my integrity and accusing me of impropriety when it comes to the party’s finances,” he told the audience. “First of all, let me state, once again, that I will never reciprocate in kind, because the Platform for Change is not about gutter politics, where there is a fluid assignment of morality and where maligning and impugning one’s character becomes the order of the day.

“On the contrary, this platform raises issues which need to be addressed, issues that raise questions concerning the operations within the party, its checks and balances and mechanisms that allow 20 years to pass without a request—not even from its political leader for an audited financial statement of the party’s accounts. “I am not casting aspersions on anyone. I will not, from where I stand, accuse anyone of fraud, misappropriation of funds or even theft.

“But the question one must ask is how come our party which has received so much funding from you, its supporters, and other corporate citizens can continue with impunity to receive such support now and in the future, without a statement of accountability to you the people? “Let us take it further. Which corporate citizen will want to invest in our UNC as it is and provide financial support when there is no audited financial statement which is prepared to bring a sense of comfort and relief to show that the funding provided is used to position the party in power?

“No audit has been conducted, yet we are hearing statements from the leadership about outstanding funds not declared or accounted for by Jack Warner. I have never received any funds of any kind from the UNC. I want to repeat I have never received any funds of any kind from the UNC or on behalf of the UNC.”
Title: Re: Warner: Where the money gone?
Post by: Bitter on June 19, 2009, 10:17:02 PM
Check yuh other pocket.
Title: Re: Warner: Where the money gone?
Post by: WestCoast on June 19, 2009, 10:29:55 PM
Check yuh other pocket.
aaaaahhhh
hahahaha
 :rotfl:
Title: Re: Warner: Where the money gone?
Post by: weary1969 on June 20, 2009, 12:00:05 AM
If he did pay d players dey money he would have known where it gone.
Title: Re: Warner: Where the money gone?
Post by: MEP on June 20, 2009, 12:06:17 AM

Jack Warner
Special Advisor Jack Warner ponders where donations given to the TTFF have gone. Speaking in Gasparillo on Thursday night, Warner produced a cheque for $100,000 which was promised to the Players Association by the TTFF, but the funds cannot be accounted for. The Fifa vice-president/special advisor threatened to produce more cheques.

“I have been away for some time on matters related to politics and, in my absence, I have listened to aspersions levelled against me, questioning my integrity and accusing me of impropriety when it comes to the TTFF's finances,” he told the audience. “First of all, let me state, once again, that I will never reciprocate in kind, because the TTFF is about gutter football, where there is a fluid assignment of coaches and where maligning and impugning players' character becomes the order of the day.

“On the contrary, I raise issues which need to be addressed, issues that raise questions concerning the operations within the TTFF, its checks and balances and mechanisms that allow 20 years to pass without a request—not even from its leader for an audited financial statement of the TTFF's accounts. “I am not casting aspersions on anyone. I will not, from where I stand, accuse anyone of fraud, misappropriation of funds or even theft.

“But the question one must ask is how come the TTFF which has received so much funding from you, its supporters, and other corporate citizens can continue with impunity to receive such support now and in the future, without a statement of accountability to you the people? “Let us take it further. Which corporate citizen will want to invest in our football as it is and provide financial support when there is no audited financial statement which is prepared to bring a sense of comfort and relief to show that the funding provided is used to position the parties and fetes in Chaguanas and Chaguaramas?

“No audit has been conducted, yet we are hearing statements from the leaders about outstanding funds not declared or accounted for by Jack Warner. I have never received any funds of any kind from the TTFF. I want to repeat I have never received any funds of any kind from the TTFF or on behalf of the TTFF.”
Title: Re: Warner: Where the money gone?
Post by: Kingk on June 20, 2009, 01:25:44 AM
Warner: Where the money gone?




Since I have been coming to the sitethsts been the question that keeps on popping up.

Title: Re: Warner: Where the money gone?
Post by: NUFF on June 20, 2009, 01:29:31 AM
Ah have to give it to Jack Warner.  The man is de best.  When it come to corruption nobody cyah beat Jack.  
Title: Re: Warner: Where the money gone?
Post by: kounty on June 20, 2009, 09:31:07 AM
allyuh lashin real hard on this thread.  funny too bad!!!  :rotfl:
Title: Re: Warner: Where the money gone?
Post by: weary1969 on June 20, 2009, 11:25:10 AM
Warner: Where the money gone?




Since I have been coming to the sitethsts been the question that keeps on popping up.



Cosign
Title: Re: Warner: Where the money gone?
Post by: capodetutticapi on June 20, 2009, 02:38:15 PM
jack is de boss oui.
Title: Re: Warner: Where the money gone?
Post by: Brownsugar on June 20, 2009, 07:26:02 PM
I really eh know if to  :rotfl: :rotfl: or  :'( :'(
Dis is what yuh call bold faced or is it more a pot and kettle kinda thing??.... :-\
Title: Re: Warner: Where the money gone?
Post by: weary1969 on June 20, 2009, 07:27:20 PM
I really eh know if to  :rotfl: :rotfl: or  :'( :'(
Dis is what yuh call bold faced or is it more a pot and kettle kinda thing??.... :-\

It had a kaiso some yrs ago a tief doh like 2 c a tief wit a bag.
Title: Re: Warner: Where the money gone?
Post by: Jumbie on June 20, 2009, 07:56:12 PM
Buss dey card Jack! JW for prime minister!
Title: Re: Warner: Where the money gone?
Post by: Tallman on June 20, 2009, 08:02:42 PM
I really eh know if to  :rotfl: :rotfl: or  :'( :'(
Dis is what yuh call bold faced or is it more a pot and kettle kinda thing??.... :-\

It had a kaiso some yrs ago a tief doh like 2 c a tief wit a bag.

It have ah line in Untold Stories by Buju Banton:
Tief never love fe see tief wid long bag
Title: Re: Warner: Where the money gone?
Post by: Babalawo on June 21, 2009, 03:54:17 PM
Check yuh other pocket.
aaaaahhhh
hahahaha
 :rotfl:
same thing i  said. check the back pocket
Title: Re: Warner: Where the money gone?
Post by: Bourbon on June 21, 2009, 06:34:49 PM
Anybody could find de article peter o connor  write in today's newsday lauding jack warner? Saying how concacaf was in a mess..just like this country is..and from the time jack get elected as president of concacaf...how it become a model confederation?

Title: Re: Warner: Where the money gone?
Post by: weary1969 on June 21, 2009, 06:49:50 PM
Anybody could find de article peter o connor  write in today's newsday lauding jack warner? Saying how concacaf was in a mess..just like this country is..and from the time jack get elected as president of concacaf...how it become a model confederation?



It not online.
Title: Re: Warner: Where the money gone?
Post by: Bourbon on June 21, 2009, 06:55:49 PM
Anybody could find de article peter o connor  write in today's newsday lauding jack warner? Saying how concacaf was in a mess..just like this country is..and from the time jack get elected as president of concacaf...how it become a model confederation?



It not online.

I eh in no mood right now to type over dat anal cavity licking diatribe nah......
Title: Re: Warner: Where the money gone?
Post by: weary1969 on June 21, 2009, 07:24:17 PM
Anybody could find de article peter o connor  write in today's newsday lauding jack warner? Saying how concacaf was in a mess..just like this country is..and from the time jack get elected as president of concacaf...how it become a model confederation?



It not online.

I eh in no mood right now to type over dat anal cavity licking diatribe nah......

Please consider it commmunity service.
Title: Re: Warner: Where the money gone?
Post by: WestCoast on June 21, 2009, 07:27:10 PM
allya really want to read what my boi peter have to say that bad :devil:
budgy cage liner :whistling:

ADDENDUM: I found it

The Jack factor
PETER O'CONNOR Sunday, June 21 2009

Our government has become the most ineffective, incompetent, and judging by public comment, now the most unpopular in our history. Every day we are faced with a new horror story of failure and incompetence. This government cannot even collect garbage, far less fix roads, supply water, provide security or get their legal briefs to court on time. Rural public buildings like magistrates’ courts, police stations, schools and libraries are abandoned as unfit for habitation. And while the government cannot fix anything, they plunge ahead with wasteful first world bling which has no place in an undeveloped country — which is what we are.

And while we suffer this incompetence from our government, we are also cursed with an opposition in parliament which, while it complains about government victimisation, is moving full speed ahead on internal self destruction.

And yet, while we face this drift into failure, we seem to find no will, no strength, no commitment to stand up and demand change, or to start the change process, and to do what we all know needs to be done for our country. We have reached a state where they— the government and the opposition— can do, or not do, what they want with our country and our lives. And we, like the pathetic sheep we are (all of us — business, labour, religions, NGOs), do less than nothing. We just keep accepting all this failure, incompetence, arrogance, and corruption.

The COP, our “alternate” government and opposition, keeps trying to focus on the issues of the day. But they can do nothing specific until the next general election. Their 148,000 votes in the 2007 election demonstrated more our disgust with the PNM and the UNC than true support for COP. However COP was brand new then, but have been building themselves into a responsible choice ever since, so maybe… next time?

But can we wait that long? Is there somebody currently on the scene who can bring about the changes so badly needed? And indeed, what are the changes we need?

More and more people are acknowledging that we need someone now who can start to make things happen, who can create change from the current failing state to a forward moving society. And more and more people are hoping, and indeed asking, that Jack Warner might step into the void of despair, and lead us out of it. Whatever the controversies that have swirled in this mercurial man’s wake, there is a common consensus about him: Jack Can! He may have had critics aplenty for some of the things he has done, but no one complains that there is something not done as he passes.

I have known Jack, as his associate in football, and as his friend, since 1974. And our friendship has been tested by disagreement and flare-ups, and by disappointments aplenty in those 35 years. But in all this, I have seen a man who has overcome every challenge he has faced, at home and in the world, and he did this without destroying those who opposed him, but by incorporating them in his vision. Jack, more than anyone else, developed the Strike Squad through the Youth Football Programme of the 1980’s. That is where Dwight, Russell, Shaka, Carlos, Kenwynne, Clayton Ince and others came from. And that programme was severely criticised here! His successes caused USA and Canada to promote his candidacy for President of CONCACAF in 1990.

Having won that position, over the resistance of the incumbents, Jack lifted the moribund, backwater FIFA Confederation into an example of efficiency, effectiveness and respect. It was he who showed FIFA how to move from a complex “if A beats B and C draws with D, then E can go to the next round” format of 24 teams, to a straightforward competition of 32 teams at the World Cup Finals. And in so doing, he created additional places for countries like Jamaica and TT to qualify.

CONCACAF was as poorly managed in 1990 as TT is today. It was stagnant and unenterprising. Today, for all its diverse membership, it is an example of progressiveness. The sub-group, The Caribbean Football Union, is the only effective operating regional enterprise in existence. The reason both these groups are effective is: Jack Warner. Is TT a more difficult challenge than those?

When it was announced that he was now the Senior VP in FIFA, I sent the following as congratulations: “…….you will soon have to face a dilemma of monumental, albeit positive choices: Will you take over the governing of FIFA, or the governing of TT? Both await you.”

Jack, who responds to 99.95 percent of his e-mail, has remained silent on this so far. We wait.
http://www.newsday.co.tt/commentary/0,102450.html
 
Title: Re: Warner: Where the money gone?
Post by: weary1969 on June 21, 2009, 09:16:25 PM
Thxs West.
Title: Re: Warner: Where the money gone?
Post by: Bourbon on June 21, 2009, 10:18:32 PM
I really realise dis man motive and tactics now yes. De man making a rel serious run for office. It have pics in de papers de man went Caura River Friday and had river lime with people and ting..mingling and posing for picture while turning up a pot of duck. Watch and yuh go see someting.
Title: Re: Warner: Where the money gone?
Post by: Brownsugar on June 22, 2009, 06:24:41 AM
I really realise dis man motive and tactics now yes. De man making a rel serious run for office. It have pics in de papers de man went Caura River Friday and had river lime with people and ting..mingling and posing for picture while turning up a pot of duck. Watch and yuh go see someting.

You now realise that?   Last week I discussing the thing with a friend and he lay out the plan for me; Warner's presidency goh be up in 2011 (FIFA that is or could be CONCACAF I not sure), the next general election is 2012....think bout it....
Title: Re: Warner: Where the money gone?
Post by: Bourbon on June 22, 2009, 06:40:43 AM
I really realise dis man motive and tactics now yes. De man making a rel serious run for office. It have pics in de papers de man went Caura River Friday and had river lime with people and ting..mingling and posing for picture while turning up a pot of duck. Watch and yuh go see someting.

You now realise that?   Last week I discussing the thing with a friend and he lay out the plan for me; Warner's presidency goh be up in 2011 (FIFA that is or could be CONCACAF I not sure), the next general election is 2012....think bout it....

Nah I suspected..but never thought that he would do it. He have a much better chance of running bobol unhindered in FIFA...where people who in bobol is de only ones who could get him out. Government still require some degree of input that he might have less control over.
Title: Re: Warner: Where the money gone?
Post by: Brownsugar on June 22, 2009, 09:07:22 AM
I really realise dis man motive and tactics now yes. De man making a rel serious run for office. It have pics in de papers de man went Caura River Friday and had river lime with people and ting..mingling and posing for picture while turning up a pot of duck. Watch and yuh go see someting.

You now realise that?   Last week I discussing the thing with a friend and he lay out the plan for me; Warner's presidency goh be up in 2011 (FIFA that is or could be CONCACAF I not sure), the next general election is 2012....think bout it....

Nah I suspected..but never thought that he would do it. He have a much better chance of running bobol unhindered in FIFA...where people who in bobol is de only ones who could get him out. Government still require some degree of input that he might have less control over.

Actually Bourbon, they were discussing it on I95.5fm the other day.  The question was asked "Why would Mr. Warner be trying so hard to ensure the UNC positions itself to get into government, since he already has "everything".  Is it that he really cares for T&T and wants to see it move forward?"

I can't remember the exact percentage of who thought he had the country's best interests at heart vs. who didn't, but I remember a lot of people thought the former was the case.....go figure...
Title: Re: Warner: Where the money gone?
Post by: weary1969 on June 22, 2009, 02:19:44 PM
I really realise dis man motive and tactics now yes. De man making a rel serious run for office. It have pics in de papers de man went Caura River Friday and had river lime with people and ting..mingling and posing for picture while turning up a pot of duck. Watch and yuh go see someting.

You now realise that?   Last week I discussing the thing with a friend and he lay out the plan for me; Warner's presidency goh be up in 2011 (FIFA that is or could be CONCACAF I not sure), the next general election is 2012....think bout it....

Nah I suspected..but never thought that he would do it. He have a much better chance of running bobol unhindered in FIFA...where people who in bobol is de only ones who could get him out. Government still require some degree of input that he might have less control over.

Actually Bourbon, they were discussing it on I95.5fm the other day.  The question was asked "Why would Mr. Warner be trying so hard to ensure the UNC positions itself to get into government, since he already has "everything".  Is it that he really cares for T&T and wants to see it move forward?"

I can't remember the exact percentage of who thought he had the country's best interests at heart vs. who didn't, but I remember a lot of people thought the former was the case.....go figure...

Jack care bout TNT. Yes like how Sylvester care for Tweety.
Title: Re: Warner: Where the money gone?
Post by: Brownsugar on June 22, 2009, 02:37:14 PM
 :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Warner: Where the money gone?
Post by: TdotTrini on June 22, 2009, 04:58:47 PM


Jack care bout TNT. Yes like how Sylvester care for Tweety.
[/quote]


 :rotfl:
Title: Re: Warner: Where the money gone?
Post by: elan on June 22, 2009, 05:11:49 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/B3XVRiXDojU&feature=related
Title: Re: Warner: Where the money gone?
Post by: weary1969 on June 23, 2009, 02:35:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/B3XVRiXDojU&feature=related

Elan boi it eh showin
Title: Warner to the rescue
Post by: Trini _2026 on August 11, 2009, 07:39:06 AM
Warner to the rescue
...MP gives $309,000 to rehire retrenched Chaguanas workers
Camille Bethel cbethel@trinidadexpress.com

Tuesday, August 11th 2009

   

Chaguanas West MP Jack Warner has handed over $309,000 to the Chaguanas Borough Corporation to cover the salaries of the 54 contract workers who were sent home by the Borough last week.

At a media conference held at the Mayor's office in Chaguanas yesterday, Warner said Mayor Natasha Navas wrote him last week asking for assistance in dealing with the matter.

Warner said he "found the money" and delivered a cheque to the corporation that will allow the workers to be re-employed for two months-August 1 to September 30.

The workers-mostly single mothers with short term contracts-were last week told by the corporation that their contracts would not be renewed because of financial constraints at the corporation.

Mayor Navas and former mayor Suruj Rambachan have blamed each other for the retrenchment.

Navas declined to comment yesterday about the source of Warner's money.

In a press release yesterday, the UNC's political leader Basdeo Panday called on Warner to use $300,000 of the $30 million that Warner "admittedly received on behalf of the party prior to the last general elections" to pay the workers.

Asked where he got the money, Warner said, "Don't worry where the money came from, just where it is going."

He said as a private citizen he could not pay the workers directly and had to give the money to the corporation.

Deputy Mayor Orlando Nagessar said he was grateful for the money.

Nagessar said councillors were willing to give up some of their stipends to see how the workers could have benefitted.

He said Panday wrote to Prime Minister Patrick Manning asking for help, but there was no response
Title: Re: Warner to the rescue
Post by: WestCoast on August 11, 2009, 07:43:14 AM
"Warner said he "found the money" and delivered a cheque"
hear nuh just when ya thought that Jack lower than ah snakes belly he does come wid even more incredible  bullshit
dais where TTFF money gorn :devil:


good that the workers get their jobs back though
Title: Re: Warner to the rescue
Post by: Themanfriday on August 11, 2009, 07:46:41 AM
Warner to the rescue
...MP gives $309,000 to rehire retrenched Chaguanas workers
Camille Bethel cbethel@trinidadexpress.com

Tuesday, August 11th 2009

   

Chaguanas West MP Jack Warner has handed over $309,000 to the Chaguanas Borough Corporation to cover the salaries of the 54 contract workers who were sent home by the Borough last week.

At a media conference held at the Mayor's office in Chaguanas yesterday, Warner said Mayor Natasha Navas wrote him last week asking for assistance in dealing with the matter.

Warner said he "found the money" and delivered a cheque to the corporation that will allow the workers to be re-employed for two months-August 1 to September 30.

The workers-mostly single mothers with short term contracts-were last week told by the corporation that their contracts would not be renewed because of financial constraints at the corporation.

Mayor Navas and former mayor Suruj Rambachan have blamed each other for the retrenchment.

Navas declined to comment yesterday about the source of Warner's money.

In a press release yesterday, the UNC's political leader Basdeo Panday called on Warner to use $300,000 of the $30 million that Warner "admittedly received on behalf of the party prior to the last general elections" to pay the workers.

Asked where he got the money, Warner said, "Don't worry where the money came from, just where it is going."
He said as a private citizen he could not pay the workers directly and had to give the money to the corporation.

Deputy Mayor Orlando Nagessar said he was grateful for the money.

Nagessar said councillors were willing to give up some of their stipends to see how the workers could have benefitted.

He said Panday wrote to Prime Minister Patrick Manning asking for help, but there was no response

Something jess not right here. I gess don't truss dis man.
Title: Re: Warner to the rescue
Post by: Daft Trini on August 11, 2009, 10:00:15 AM
Friday you travel the world... you know better...!  :beermug:
Title: Re: Warner to the rescue
Post by: weary1969 on August 11, 2009, 12:20:59 PM
"Warner said he "found the money" and delivered a cheque"
hear nuh just when ya thought that Jack lower than ah snakes belly he does come wid even more incredible  bullshit
dais where TTFF money gorn :devil:


good that the workers get their jobs back though

Yes it was found in d a/c dat holdin Samcho etal money.
Title: Re: Warner to the rescue
Post by: weary1969 on August 11, 2009, 02:47:33 PM
Jack tell Panday he should have use some of he London money. Panday say that Jack use 30000 from d 30 million he receive. Jack response is on point.
Title: A serious question about Jack Warner
Post by: dinho on August 19, 2009, 12:12:32 PM
Everyone knows about Jack Warner's character.. the blatant thievery and the corruption.. the unscrupulous and sometimes caustic ways..

Jack has also shown himself as an extremely talented administrator with a capability of executing and getting things done.. He works harder than and gets more accomplished than anyone in our current government or opposition..

So my question is..

Given what you know about Jack and his corrupt ways.. If you know that he is the only person that would make huge strides in resolving our current crime situation and other issues facing our nation..

would you vote him in?
Title: Re: A serious question about Jack Warner
Post by: Jah Gol on August 19, 2009, 02:59:55 PM
For me integrity is the most important quality a leader should have. A person who cannot be trusted is not suitable to govern, regardless of their other talents.
Title: Re: A serious question about Jack Warner
Post by: elan on August 19, 2009, 04:14:15 PM
(http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll314/Chunkycj/2585_61765252406_611077406_1980929_.jpg)
Title: Re: A serious question about Jack Warner
Post by: Deeks on August 19, 2009, 05:29:35 PM
F-----King NO!
Title: Re: A serious question about Jack Warner
Post by: Dutty on August 19, 2009, 08:20:22 PM


So my question is..

Given what you know about Jack and his corrupt ways.. If you know that he is the only person that would make huge strides in resolving our current crime situation and other issues facing our nation..

would you vote him in?


Tough call, :P with access to the treasury, he go be comitting more crime than he solving.

Dais like ah lifer in golden grove aksin a jail rookie "would your rather be ass raped or suck some dicks this week"?
Title: Re: A serious question about Jack Warner
Post by: 100% Barataria on August 19, 2009, 08:22:58 PM
Everyone knows about Jack Warner's character.. the blatant thievery and the corruption.. the unscrupulous and sometimes caustic ways..

Jack has also shown himself as an extremely talented administrator with a capability of executing and getting things done.. He works harder than and gets more accomplished than anyone in our current government or opposition..

So my question is..

Given what you know about Jack and his corrupt ways.. If you know that he is the only person that would make huge strides in resolving our current crime situation and other issues facing our nation..

would you vote him in?

Only with a bullpistle
Title: Re: A serious question about Jack Warner
Post by: Brownsugar on August 20, 2009, 08:20:53 AM
For me integrity is the most important quality a leader should have. A person who cannot be trusted is not suitable to govern, regardless of their other talents.


 :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

Talk done!!!
Title: Re: A serious question about Jack Warner
Post by: asylumseeker on August 20, 2009, 08:48:46 AM
Not so fast ... how do we explain our voting history then?
Title: Re: A serious question about Jack Warner
Post by: dinho on August 20, 2009, 09:28:37 AM
For me integrity is the most important quality a leader should have. A person who cannot be trusted is not suitable to govern, regardless of their other talents.


One can argue that none of our current leaders, or those in opposition have integrity or can be trusted..

What then??
Title: Re: A serious question about Jack Warner
Post by: Brownsugar on August 20, 2009, 09:33:01 AM
For me integrity is the most important quality a leader should have. A person who cannot be trusted is not suitable to govern, regardless of their other talents.


One can argue that none of our current leaders, or those in opposition have integrity or can be trusted..

What then??

In Jack's case....its BLATANT, before he even ask mih to vote for him...that's the difference....
Title: Re: A serious question about Jack Warner
Post by: Sando prince on August 20, 2009, 09:57:41 PM
So which one of our current, or past PMs could have been trusted ??..
Title: Re: A serious question about Jack Warner
Post by: just cool on August 21, 2009, 10:50:10 PM
(http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll314/Chunkycj/2585_61765252406_611077406_1980929_.jpg)
If jack was tuh become the PM, will he still retain his status in fifa or our federation?
Title: Re: A serious question about Jack Warner
Post by: weary1969 on August 23, 2009, 06:46:50 PM
(http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll314/Chunkycj/2585_61765252406_611077406_1980929_.jpg)
If jack was tuh become the PM, will he still retain his status in fifa or our federation?

Is Jack so he could be PM of TNT and Prez of FIFA at d same time. But plenty ah we does pray so d 1s eh go happen.
Title: Re: A serious question about Jack Warner
Post by: capodetutticapi on August 23, 2009, 09:49:32 PM
all politician is tief.JW will fit right een.
Title: Jack Warner sends food supplies to Haiti
Post by: AirMan on February 13, 2010, 11:20:09 PM
Link..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z41NKUmqq_I
Title: Re: Jack Warner sends food supplies to Haiti
Post by: Trini _2026 on February 15, 2010, 01:38:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/Z41NKUmqq_I

He said he will  support the Haitian federation financially  ???
Title: Re: Jack Warner sends food supplies to Haiti
Post by: Deeks on February 15, 2010, 07:34:54 PM
I seriously feel Patrick and Jack are twins. 
Title: Panday wants Jack to account for million$ first
Post by: royal on February 25, 2010, 09:32:10 PM
Panday wants Jack to account for million$ first
   

Former opposition leader Basdeo Panday yesterday said he is willing to work with party leader Kamla Persad-Bissessar, but only if Jack Warner accounts for the millions of dollars he received on behalf of the party and is removed as Chief Whip.

Until Panday’s requests are acceded to, he will be moving to the back bench of the Parliament from today. Opposition MPs Subhas Panday, Mickela Panday and Kelvin Ramnath are also expected to move with Panday, joining Tabaquite MP Ramesh Lawrence Maharaj on the back benches.

Panday’s move comes as Persad-Bissessar created history yesterday with her appointment as Leader of the Opposition.

’Notwithstanding my reservations on the integrity of the recent internal elections of the UNC, I am, in the interest of unity within the party and my desire to see the UNC grow from strength to strength, willing to work with Mrs Kamla Persad-Bissessar, the new Leader of the Opposition,’ Panday said.

’I am, however, not prepared to serve under Jack Warner as Chief Whip in the Parliament, until such time as he renders an account for the millions of dollars received by him on behalf of the party.’

Panday added, ’In the circumstances, I intend to approach the Speaker of the House with my request, that I be seated on the back-bench on the Opposition side of the House, until such time as Mr Warner is removed as Chief Whip, or until he accounts for the millions of party funds received by him, for which he has persistently refused to account.’

Speaking to the media yesterday after being appointed Opposition Leader, Persad-Bissessar said, ’I would ask Mr Panday to reconsider moving to the back bench in the interest of the party. He has indicated that in the interest of the party he will work with us, we welcome that.’

Asked about Panday’s call for Warner to account for millions, she said, ’I do not want to be today distracted by distractions of the past.’

Addressing the issue himself, Warner said, ’I am extremely disappointed that Mr Basdeo Panday should seek to dim the glory of our Political Leader in her finest hour. Mr. Panday is aware of the historical importance of today because it will be the first time a female will ever be appointed as the substantive Leader of the Opposition in the House of Representatives, and to seek to hog the limelight and detract from this moment is terribly sad.’ -Anna Ramdass

express
Title: Re: Panday wants Jack to account for million$ first
Post by: Socapro on February 26, 2010, 12:49:28 AM
Panday wants Jack to account for million$ first

Panday added, ’In the circumstances, I intend to approach the Speaker of the House with my request, that I be seated on the back-bench on the Opposition side of the House, until such time as Mr Warner is removed as Chief Whip, or until he accounts for the millions of party funds received by him, for which he has persistently refused to account.’
...............
Addressing the issue himself, Warner said, ’I am extremely disappointed that Mr Basdeo Panday should seek to dim the glory of our Political Leader in her finest hour. Mr. Panday is aware of the historical importance of today because it will be the first time a female will ever be appointed as the substantive Leader of the Opposition in the House of Representatives, and to seek to hog the limelight and detract from this moment is terribly sad.’ -Anna Ramdass

express


Does the section I've highlighted in red remind you folks of something quite familiar? Can anyone say TTFF accounting?

Notice how Jack in his response has ducked the issue all together and talking about diming the glory?
Panday right to ask for Jack to be removed, he knows only to well that Jackcula is the only creature who could outdo him when it comes to redirecting funds into his personal account and crooked stuff like that!  :nailbiting:
Title: Re: Panday wants Jack to account for million$ first
Post by: vb on February 26, 2010, 05:54:57 AM
Dem fu&^%s is make me laugh yes :rotfl: :rotfl:

All de time Jack getting millions and he eh want to know about it. Now he ass geh blank he want Warner to be accountable........STEEUUPPSS!!!!!!

VB
Title: Re: Panday wants Jack to account for million$ first
Post by: AirMan on March 09, 2010, 07:57:33 PM
Warner sends pre-action letter to Panday


In the run-up to the january 24th UNC internal elections and on occasions thereafter, Basdeo Panday called on Jack Warner to account for some 30 million dollars which Mr. Panday alleges, the Chaguanas West M.P. had collected on behalf of the party during the 2007 general election.

 Mr. Warner had vowed to take legal action if Mr. Panday continued to make the allegations.

 In his pre-action letter sent to Mr. Panday on Friday, Mr. Warner is demanding an unequivocal retraction of the allegations and an apology in terms to be approved by his attorneys and which must also be published in the newspapers.Read the rest here..http://ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=18864

Title: Re: Panday wants Jack to account for million$ first
Post by: AirMan on March 09, 2010, 07:58:39 PM
Funny how Panday now wants Warner to account for this money..
Title: Re: Panday wants Jack to account for million$ first
Post by: Brownsugar on March 09, 2010, 08:05:25 PM
Funny how Panday now wants Warner to account for this money..

Boy is just to watch and be entertained....
Title: Re: Panday wants Jack to account for million$ first
Post by: AirMan on March 09, 2010, 08:07:01 PM
Funny how Panday now wants Warner to account for this money..

Boy is just to watch and be entertained....

LOL well the man wait until the UNC elections to ask Jack for the money...if Jack tief the money or did not Tief the money I still find this to be a fishy move by Panday
Title: Re: Panday wants Jack to account for million$ first
Post by: zuluwarrior on March 09, 2010, 09:26:29 PM
Like the grapes tasting sour in the fox mouth.
Title: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: AirMan on March 14, 2010, 12:59:03 PM
Jack Warner Possibly Next Minister of National Security ???

Link..http://guardian.co.tt/news/general/2010/03/14/kamla-has-chosen-her-cabinet

Quote
Kamla has chosen her Cabinet
Clevon Raphael
Published: 14 Mar 2010

Clevon Raphael
Opposition Leader Kamla Persad-Bissessar is already seeing herself as the next Prime Minister of Trinidad and Tobago, and Jack Warner is viewing himself as the country’s next Minister of National Security. Former attorney general and incumbent member for Tabaquite, Ramesh Lawrence Maharaj, says further that Persad-Bissessar has already chosen her Cabinet, and some of the MPs who supported her for Opposition Leader are not in the line-up[/size].

Title: Re: Jack Warner Possibly Next Minister of National Security ???
Post by: Babalawo on March 14, 2010, 02:08:33 PM
Yea, always make the black man into a security guard  :rotfl:  Why not Finance or Sports minister?
Title: Re: Jack Warner Possibly Next Minister of National Security ???
Post by: AirMan on March 14, 2010, 02:10:33 PM
Yea, always make the black man into a security guard  :rotfl:  Why not Finance or Sports minister?


Well the article says "Jack Warner is viewing himself......"...thats why am kinda confused with yours statement

Is the current security guard (security minister) we have now a black man ?  ;D
Title: Re: Jack Warner Possibly Next Minister of National Security ???
Post by: dinho on March 14, 2010, 02:13:28 PM
I will go on record and say, that Jack Warner, being one of the few men with a track record of getting shit done.. i would like to see this happen.

Not finance though.. doh put him anywhere near that finance ministry.
Title: Re: Jack Warner Possibly Next Minister of National Security ???
Post by: AirMan on March 14, 2010, 02:18:59 PM
I will go on record and say, that Jack Warner, being one of the few men with a track record of getting shit done.. i would like to see this happen.

Not finance though.. doh put him anywhere near that finance ministry.

..and I'm pretty sure Winston Gypsy Peters se himself as Minister of Culture  and Wade Mark  see himself as Minister of Information..I dunno who go be Minister of Finance..but it looks like the UNC very confident about winning next elections
Title: Re: Jack Warner Possibly Next Minister of National Security ???
Post by: Sando prince on March 14, 2010, 02:33:03 PM
What is so funny but true is Jack Warner can convince Kamla to become Finance Minister if he want..She has given him her full support and she knows he is a good political tactician..if the UNC was to be successful it would have alot to with him..anyway if PNM wins then all this Cabinet picking Kamla doing would turn out to be a big laugh by many...and Manning is a Political Veteran and stalwart in T&T despite all this UDECOTT Bachannal you cant beat him easy easy..anyway allyuh take in de ride..this would be an interesting run to elections
Title: Re: Jack Warner Possibly Next Minister of National Security ???
Post by: truetrini on March 15, 2010, 10:32:42 AM
I will go on record and say, that Jack Warner, being one of the few men with a track record of getting shit done.. i would like to see this happen.

Not finance though.. doh put him anywhere near that finance ministry.

de Ministry with de biggest budget is which one again?  He go have plenty money to buy tings like blimps etc.  lol
Title: Re: Jack Warner Possibly Next Minister of National Security ???
Post by: rotatopoti3 on March 15, 2010, 10:40:45 AM
Allyuh want tuh see Irony...

Put Jack  Sports Minister.... :devil:

Ah wonder who he goe blame then ;D
Title: Re: Jack Warner Possibly Next Minister of National Security ???
Post by: Jumbie on March 15, 2010, 11:19:32 AM
Fack Ramesh.. he just trying to rile up people with he miss cleo ways. Too many ifs to start commenting now. shut your c**t, sourass loser.
Title: Warner: Independents will pay political price
Post by: Trini _2026 on July 08, 2010, 12:21:14 PM
Warner: Independents will pay political price
By —Camille Bethel (Trinidad Express)


United National Congress (UNC) party chairman Jack Warner is preparing a report to submit to Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar when she returns from Jamaica–detailing the activities of two senior UNC politicians who encouraged rejected party candidates to run as independents in the July 26 Local Government election.

Warner first spoke about taking the senior officials before the party's disciplinary committee during a meeting at Rienzi Complex, Couva, on Tuesday night, which the election candidates and rejected nominees were invited to.

Warner, who is acting as Prime Minister in the absence of Persad-Bissessar, said at the meeting that the six "UNC" nominees who filed as independents would pay with political price for their actions.

Yesterday, Warner told reporters he wanted people with the evidence of the internal meddling to bring the evidence to him.

He said, "I don't want to go into details. Mrs Persad-Bissessar will be back next week and she would be given a full report.

"I don't know all the evidence and I ask those who have the evidence to put it in writing, but I don't have all the facts."

Warner said despite some "ups and downs", the People's Partnership is intact.

He said 611 persons were interviewed for the Local Government elections and on Tuesday, 400 people came out to the meeting "to say thank you".

"This only shows that the people want to participate and work," Warner said.
Title: Re: Warner: Independents will pay political price
Post by: Deeks on July 08, 2010, 03:28:33 PM
He threatening people now, because he acting PM. FOOOOK him.
Title: Warner names corrupt PNMites
Post by: Trini _2026 on July 12, 2010, 12:43:18 PM
Warner names corrupt PNMites
Shastri Boodan
Published: 12 Jul 2010



The PNM government neglected the people while delving in mismanagement, nepotism, corruption and wastage says, acting Prime Minister Jack Warner. A fiery Warner was at the time delivering the feature address at a political meeting at the Couva Car Park on Saturday night. Warner said Opposition Leader Keith Rowley was part of the PNM government that chose instead to squander billions of dollars, while neglecting roads, drains and water. “Rowley and Manning were part of the same plan,” he said. Warner said Rowley only started to speak when he was kicked out of Cabinet. The acting PM said the billions wasted on the two summits in 2009 and on the Tarouba stadium could have brought water and roads to the people.

“Summit one and summit two were a priority, not water for you,” he said. Warner said Rowley was part of the PNM administration that blocked local government for the last four years. He slammed Rowley for meddling in the affairs of the PP government. He said: “Ask Rowley how come he mouth big now. He don’t want Nizam (Mohammed) as head of the Police Service Commission. Why they ent put Philbert? But while we are here he will take Nizam Mohammed…who he want, he want Robocop,” he added.

Bobol galore

Warner said an individual on the board of a state-owned company in the energy sector (name of the company and the director called) took a loan from Nedco for $30,000 and has not repaid it. Warner said the man, who was once a special adviser to a former government minister, was never interviewed for the loan. “Today, he has not paid back a cent,” he said. Warner said another state company director (names called) took taxpayers’ money and bought Carnival fete tickets worth $121,000 for parties at Salybia, Soca in the Baliser and UWI, among other venues.

PNM rental nepotism

Warner said eight families were raking in $276 million in annual rent. He said these rental contracts were signed on the eve of the 2010 general election. He said one family led by an official of the PNM campaign, was collecting $30 million a year in rent. Warner said one incomplete property at the Aranguez Estate was raking in $920,000 in monthly rent. He said one lease for a building at number one Alexandra Street is taking in $865,949.43 in monthly rent and ends on November 31, 2014. “Thank God November has no thirty first,” he said. Warner said the PNM hurriedly signed contracts before the elections to “get the last ounce of blood from the country.”

Blows for independents

Warner also hammered independent candidates, who were members of the United National Congress. The Chaguanas West MP went as far as branding Rajendra Gosine “a neemakaharam.” Gosine is an independent candidate for California/Point Lisas on the Couva/Tabaquite/Talparo Regional Corporation. Warner said the UNC breathed political life into Gosine during his term as an alderman. He said Gosine and other independent candidates, Rasheed Karim (Charlieville) and Pradeep Cassieram (Enterprise North), may very well be agents of the PNM.
Title: Re: Warner names corrupt PNMites
Post by: Conquering Lion on July 12, 2010, 12:51:19 PM
 :flamethrower: :flamethrower: :flamethrower: :flamethrower:

Wayyyyyyy.........This better than Capleton in concert.............more fire!!
Title: Jack Warner or Patrick Manning
Post by: AirMan on July 28, 2010, 11:08:00 PM
 Expect a long thread. Alot of informative material to post.
Title: Re: Jack Warner or Patrick Manning
Post by: Jumbie on July 29, 2010, 06:52:24 AM
ah hear a statue going up of JW in the new temple in Freeport, but there's now a legal battle from the administrators at the temple by the sea in couva who says they thought of the idea first and the right to construct such a statue should be reserved to their location. Let's just hope we eh need another clown from hengland (Queens counsel) to step een.
Title: Re: Jack Warner or Patrick Manning
Post by: AB.Trini on July 29, 2010, 07:24:24 AM

                  POWER CORRUPTS ABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTS
 This refrain is one ideological perspective that appears to align these individuals. Within their respective  arenas, they seem to have  thrived on accumulating power and in a  convuluted way,  Mr. Manning appears to have suffered  from the slings and arrows of  the abuse of power; will the same happen to his political foe?

Well with all due respect, Mr.Manning has the political experience and the advantage of having been around the administration and political governance in comparison to Mr. Warner. While Mr. Warner may not have the political savvy, he is presenting an image of a 'people's politician' mingling and  being present among the ordinary folks. This is still part of the  'honeymoon' period. Could this be sustained? could the job of governing and managing along with  the involvement  in the private business sector be adequately served by one who seems to be serving many masters or self aggrandizing?
Title: Re: Jack Warner or Patrick Manning
Post by: D.H.W on July 29, 2010, 09:46:23 AM
screw manning , he dead to me
Title: Re: Jack Warner or Patrick Manning
Post by: Dutty on July 29, 2010, 11:31:00 AM
 ???
how come I's de only one doh know wha this thread is about?

is ah kinda tourettes random blurt out ting or wha?
Title: Re: Jack Warner or Patrick Manning
Post by: AirMan on July 29, 2010, 07:17:41 PM
ah hear a statue going up of JW in the new temple in Freeport, but there's now a legal battle from the administrators at the temple by the sea in couva who says they thought of the idea first and the right to construct such a statue should be reserved to their location. Let's just hope we eh need another clown from hengland (Queens counsel) to step een.

heard that from someone on Facebook...but as of right now it seems like rum talk..
Title: Re: Jack Warner or Patrick Manning
Post by: AirMan on July 29, 2010, 07:20:44 PM
???
how come I's de only one doh know wha this thread is about?


soon I am going to post decisions made by Warner in comparison to what Manning did in government...I said in my first post this will be long thread (and you can thank Warner fuh dat since I know he will always provide new material) so no need to get excited there will be ALOT to read..

Title: Re: Jack Warner or Patrick Manning
Post by: D.H.W on July 29, 2010, 07:34:33 PM
he say he want POS to get proper drains, too much flooding. especially after today again, and of course he blames PNM   :devil: cant miss a punch when u have it
Title: Re: Jack Warner or Patrick Manning
Post by: AirMan on August 03, 2010, 08:42:40 PM
he say he want POS to get proper drains, too much flooding. especially after today again, and of course he blames PNM   :devil: cant miss a punch when u have it

hmm well Mr Waner is bringing Flood experts...http://guardian.co.tt/news/general/2010/07/30/warner-flood-expert-coming
Title: Opposition senator challenge Jack Warner for repeat allegations
Post by: AirMan on September 22, 2010, 02:24:14 PM
Al-Rawi to Jack: I never received money
By Julien Neaves

During Monday night's debate on the national budget, Opposition Senator Faris Al-Rawi shot back at Works and Transport Minister Jack Warner by denying an accusation that he received monies from the National Infrastructure Development Company (NIDCO). Al-Rawi also challenged Warner to repeat his allegation outside Parliament.

"I never received monies...I acted as an attorney at law," he said.

Warner made the allegation on Friday in Parliament during debate on the national budget in the House of Representatives. Continue..http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Al-Rawi_to_Jack__I_never_received_money-103498849.html
Title: Re: Opposition senator takes on Jack Warner on allegations
Post by: AirMan on September 22, 2010, 02:27:09 PM
of course Volney antics is part of everyone speech recently.

Quote
He also described as "unacceptable" comments by Justice Minister Herbert Volney in which he (Volney) claimed that Chief Justice Ivor Archie had received a "sweetheart deal" on his accommodations. He noted that the Prime Minister herself had to distance the Government from these statements
Title: Re: Opposition senator challenge Jack Warner for repeat allegations
Post by: Bakes on September 22, 2010, 03:23:00 PM
Ah like de gun talk... Jack love to bluff, but yuh doh bluff ah lawyer b/c yuh might end up getting called on it.  Leh we see if Jack dare slander him outside parliament now.
Title: Re: Opposition senator challenge Jack Warner for repeat allegations
Post by: AirMan on September 22, 2010, 03:30:48 PM
I will lean towards Jack not answering this man...Al Rari setting a trap for Jack , so ah think Jack will put his tail between his legs and keep his mouth shut since it seems like he cant prove anything
Title: Re: Opposition senator challenge Jack Warner for repeat allegations
Post by: Sando prince on September 22, 2010, 05:10:31 PM
make yuh move Jack
Title: Re: Opposition senator challenge Jack Warner for repeat allegations
Post by: Bourbon on September 22, 2010, 06:36:27 PM
Jack eh hadda do nuttin. It done get said..and get embeded in de trini psyche dat someting wrong went on. Dem eh goin and investigate or wait for a follow up. And de man cyar do him nuttin cuz of parliamentary privileged.

Title: Re: Opposition senator challenge Jack Warner for repeat allegations
Post by: weary1969 on September 22, 2010, 07:59:03 PM
make yuh move Jack

2 D LEFT OR D RIGHT
Title: Re: Opposition senator challenge Jack Warner for repeat allegations
Post by: Dutty on September 22, 2010, 08:20:40 PM
Jack eh hadda do nuttin. It done get said..and get embeded in de trini psyche dat someting wrong went on. Dem eh goin and investigate or wait for a follow up. And de man cyar do him nuttin cuz of parliamentary privileged.



Yup
Title: Re: Opposition senator challenge Jack Warner for repeat allegations
Post by: Bakes on September 22, 2010, 08:23:16 PM
Jack eh hadda do nuttin. It done get said..and get embeded in de trini psyche dat someting wrong went on. Dem eh goin and investigate or wait for a follow up. And de man cyar do him nuttin cuz of parliamentary privileged.



Please.... is Trinis yuh talking about enuh.  What psyche yuh talking about, time two fete pass and Trinis fuhgetting about this like it never happen... especially since it eh gain no traction in de media (unlike de Calder Hart and de church thng).
Title: Jack: Chinks in PP’s armour
Post by: truetrini on October 13, 2010, 12:48:26 AM
Jack: Chinks in PP’s armour
Minister: Infighting, intrigue unexpected
Yvonne Webb
Published: 13 Oct 2010
 
Member of Parliament for Princes Town, Nela Singh, front row, left, looks on while Works and Transport Minister Jack Warner and Piparo councillor, Henry Awong, look on at the mud volcano during a tour of Princes Town yesterday. Photo: Rishi Ragoonath
Yvonne Webb
Works and Transport Minister Jack Warner yesterday admitted to chinks in the political armour of the People’s Partnership Government. Warner spoke of “unexpected intrigue, infighting and backbiting” among his colleagues in the five-party coalition that makes up the Government. The minister, who has been criticised for his unilateral decision to sign off on two contracts for the Piarco and Crown Point International Airports, said there was an absence of teamwork among some of his colleagues. He also said his response to Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar’s decision to halt the projects, “is coming. It will come. It will come. It is coming.” Speaking to reporters before a tour of bad roads in the constituencies of Moruga/Tableland and Princes Town, Warner denied the situation had left him frustrated.

He said: “After four months, I expected most of this. Nothing here has really fazed me. What I did not expect was the kind of intrigue and infighting and backbiting and so on. I did not expect that.” He said he expected a measure of difficulty, “because there is a different culture, actually, from the one I have been used to in Fifa and Concacaf, where I come from.” He said in those organisations things were done differently and he now had to get used to that (referring to being in Government). “So I have no problems with that. What I have a problem with is a lack of the collegial effort, where you have work to do and where you have colleagues who you believe should be able to work as a team and that is not happening.

“I tell you this, that too will pass away,” he said. Responding to comments from Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley that he should be disciplined, Warner said: “I have no intention of dignifying Mr Rowley’s piece of foolishness. “Mr Rowley is clutching at straws and if he believes he can use that to revive his dying political career, I have news for him. He can use anything else but not Jack Warner.” On the issue of the urgent appointment of an Airports Authority Board, also put forward by Rowley, Warner said he could not say when one would be appointed. As to the danger posed to users of the two airports, now that Persad-Bissessar has halted the contracts, Warner said he did what he had to do to avert any danger.
Title: Warner: T&T likes too much files and papers
Post by: truetrini on October 13, 2010, 12:49:28 AM
This from the man who always has files on someone!

Warner: T&T likes too much files and papers
Published: 13 Oct 2010
Minister of Works Jack Warner said yesterday T&T was a country which liked bureaucracy, hence the reason why things took so long to get done. His comment followed a tour of the Licensing Office in Princes Town. He visited that office three months ago and instructed that it be refurbished. On his return yesterday, Warner said he was unimpressed with the repairs undertaken by employees of the Works Ministry. “Three months later the carpets are still filthy, the walls need repainting, the trailer (used by the photographic department) is slipping.” He told reporters T&T was a country that liked bureaucracy. He said: “This is a country that likes to keep files and papers and documents and make notes and so on and at the end of the day nothing is done.”

He said the fact workers were patient and tolerant did not mean they should be treated that way. “It can’t be right. Who vex, vex, this is not the way things are done.” Warner said he was going to write the Transport Commissioner and give him a 30-day deadline to get the building ready. “Failing compliance,” he said, “if it means I have to do it myself, I will have to do it. “And if this means somebody will find that there is misconduct in public office, then fine, so be it, but it cannot be right that you ask workers to work under these conditions,” he added. He also said the ministry was prepared to start work immediately on the collapsed Pointe-a-Pierre Road, Vistabella, but feared that too would be beset by bureaucracy.

In the presence of the media he called San Fernando mayor Marlene Coudray informing her of his ministry’s readiness. However, Warner said he was informed there were issues regarding permission from the San Fernando City Corporation before work could start. Warner also toured the constituencies of Moruga/Tableland and Princes Town with their representatives Clifton de Couteau and Nela Khan, respectively. Khan said her constituency was plagued with bad roads, landslips and unstable bridges. She said the volcano had cut off lower and upper Piparo and they were exploring the possibility of linking both roads together again.

De Couteau said Glod Road, in his constituency, was in a total state of disrepair. Mayaro No 2, he added , had a landslip threatening a home while the village of Fort George had been cut in two due to poor road conditions. Following a visit to Robinson Hill, Piparo, and the site of the mud volcano, Warner said: “This is the worse road I have ever seen.” Warner also had an opportunity to hear first-hand from residents of the rural community about the suffering they have had to endure for more than ten years because of bad roads.
Title: Re: Warner: T&T likes too much files and papers
Post by: Jah Gol on October 13, 2010, 04:46:34 AM
This from the man who always has files on someone!

Warner: T&T likes too much files and papers
Published: 13 Oct 2010
Minister of Works Jack Warner said yesterday T&T was a country which liked bureaucracy, hence the reason why things took so long to get done. His comment followed a tour of the Licensing Office in Princes Town. He visited that office three months ago and instructed that it be refurbished. On his return yesterday, Warner said he was unimpressed with the repairs undertaken by employees of the Works Ministry. “Three months later the carpets are still filthy, the walls need repainting, the trailer (used by the photographic department) is slipping.” He told reporters T&T was a country that liked bureaucracy. He said: “This is a country that likes to keep files and papers and documents and make notes and so on and at the end of the day nothing is done.

Nothing to debate there. 
Title: Re: Warner: T&T likes too much files and papers
Post by: Brownsugar on October 13, 2010, 05:04:12 AM
aaaaahhhh Jackie boy, dais the same thing Patrick did complain about dais why we did get UDECOTT and all dem Special Purpose companies......so stop talking and come up with solutions.  From what ah hear yuh is ah man of action!!   Shouldn't be too hard for you to sort right?? 

In the meantime stop making statements like this.....


Failing compliance, he said, if it means I have to do it myself, I will have to do it. And if this means somebody will find that there is misconduct in public office, then fine, so be it, but it cannot be right that you ask workers to work under these conditions, he added.

Title: Re: Warner: T&T likes too much files and papers
Post by: kounty on October 13, 2010, 05:25:53 AM
This from the man who always has files on someone!

Warner: T&T likes too much files and papers
Published: 13 Oct 2010
Minister of Works Jack Warner said yesterday T&T was a country which liked bureaucracy, hence the reason why things took so long to get done. His comment followed a tour of the Licensing Office in Princes Town. He visited that office three months ago and instructed that it be refurbished. On his return yesterday, Warner said he was unimpressed with the repairs undertaken by employees of the Works Ministry. “Three months later the carpets are still filthy, the walls need repainting, the trailer (used by the photographic department) is slipping.” He told reporters T&T was a country that liked bureaucracy. He said: “This is a country that likes to keep files and papers and documents and make notes and so on and at the end of the day nothing is done.

Nothing to debate there. 
NPR do a program a while back on the same bureaucratic paper culture in India. I don't feel this is entirely the case here - Is a true statement, but I more feel jack tryin to set the stage for everything to be fast track so money could swiftly flow into he pocket and those of he supporters.  So Jack implying that having a board make a decision on 47M is somehow a redundant waste? and we should trust his esteemed judgement? please eh jack!
Title: Re: Warner: T&T likes too much files and papers
Post by: Jah Gol on October 13, 2010, 06:38:56 AM
This from the man who always has files on someone!

Warner: T&T likes too much files and papers
Published: 13 Oct 2010
Minister of Works Jack Warner said yesterday T&T was a country which liked bureaucracy, hence the reason why things took so long to get done. His comment followed a tour of the Licensing Office in Princes Town. He visited that office three months ago and instructed that it be refurbished. On his return yesterday, Warner said he was unimpressed with the repairs undertaken by employees of the Works Ministry. “Three months later the carpets are still filthy, the walls need repainting, the trailer (used by the photographic department) is slipping.” He told reporters T&T was a country that liked bureaucracy. He said: “This is a country that likes to keep files and papers and documents and make notes and so on and at the end of the day nothing is done.

Nothing to debate there. 
NPR do a program a while back on the same bureaucratic paper culture in India. I don't feel this is entirely the case here - Is a true statement, but I more feel jack tryin to set the stage for everything to be fast track so money could swiftly flow into he pocket and those of he supporters.  So Jack implying that having a board make a decision on 47M is somehow a redundant waste? and we should trust his esteemed judgement? please eh jack!
As Minister Jack has the power to overhaul the systems within his own ministry. He can authorise the automation and reengineering of the processes of his own Ministry to achieve higher outputs thereby adding more value to stakeholders.
We see this in the changes at the licensing division which started before him btw.

Change in the public service requires leadership which is what Jack can actually do. I work in a government ministry and I am attacked by unnecessary paper on a daily basis. In my spare time I'm working on an electronic solution to some of our problems and I plan to propose it to my boss(es). Unlike me Jack has the power to make the change substantially throughout the entire organisation. What he must understand though is that he is the Minister of works and Transportation alone and that must interact with other authories and comply with their operational regulations.
Title: Re: Warner: T&T likes too much files and papers
Post by: weary1969 on October 13, 2010, 07:01:59 AM
This from the man who always has files on someone!

Warner: T&T likes too much files and papers
Published: 13 Oct 2010
Minister of Works Jack Warner said yesterday T&T was a country which liked bureaucracy, hence the reason why things took so long to get done. His comment followed a tour of the Licensing Office in Princes Town. He visited that office three months ago and instructed that it be refurbished. On his return yesterday, Warner said he was unimpressed with the repairs undertaken by employees of the Works Ministry. “Three months later the carpets are still filthy, the walls need repainting, the trailer (used by the photographic department) is slipping.” He told reporters T&T was a country that liked bureaucracy. He said: “This is a country that likes to keep files and papers and documents and make notes and so on and at the end of the day nothing is done.

Nothing to debate there. 

CO_SIGNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNn
Title: Re: Warner: T&T likes too much files and papers
Post by: sammy on October 13, 2010, 07:32:47 AM
aaaaahhhh Jackie boy, dais the same thing Patrick did complain about dais why we did get UDECOTT and all dem Special Purpose companies......so stop talking and come up with solutions.  From what ah hear yuh is ah man of action!!   Shouldn't be too hard for you to sort right?? 

In the meantime stop making statements like this.....

true
Title: Re: Warner: T&T likes too much files and papers
Post by: Bakes on October 13, 2010, 08:31:31 AM
A paper trail is necessary at times, but as long as there is proper documentation then I have no issues with bureaucracy being reduced.  But of course, Jack complaining about too much paperwork is like ah thief complaining about too much security, yuh have to parse he words carefully.

This article underscores what is one of my pet peeves with Warner... he likes to talk too much, and everything is in a grandstanding way.  You get the feeling that he doesn't go a day without speaking into a microphone or tape recorder.  Too much bureaucracy... okay, then FIX IT.  Don't talk about it... fix it, the buck stops with you now.  You don't need to go to the press to tell them that you in charge and yuh frustrated, and conditions unfair to workers and what not.  I sure things not fine in other people's ministries but dem do go before the cameras to complain and make promises.  It if that committed, then shut up and get it done.
Title: Re: Warner: T&T likes too much files and papers
Post by: Arimaman on October 13, 2010, 10:43:13 AM
A paper trail is necessary at times, but as long as there is proper documentation then I have no issues with bureaucracy being reduced.  But of course, Jack complaining about too much paperwork is like ah thief complaining about too much security, yuh have to parse he words carefully.

This article underscores what is one of my pet peeves with Warner... he likes to talk too much, and everything is in a grandstanding way.  You get the feeling that he doesn't go a day without speaking into a microphone or tape recorder.  Too much bureaucracy... okay, then FIX IT.  Don't talk about it... fix it, the buck stops with you now.  You don't need to go to the press to tell them that you in charge and yuh frustrated, and conditions unfair to workers and what not.  I sure things not fine in other people's ministries but dem do go before the cameras to complain and make promises.  It if that committed, then shut up and get it done.
Couldn't agree more Bakes...If you is the minister, why yuh have tuh come an say is not the right working conditions...he knew that a month before and did what?  Nothing....  Although, in fairness to Jack, it looks like he really trying to wok hard to improve things.  He just have to do more and talk less....  Then again, the media know he is a loud mouth and eventually he go say something to bite heself in the arse...that's what they really waiting on.
Title: Jack takes back airport contract.
Post by: Flex on October 14, 2010, 04:41:35 AM
Jack takes back airport contract
By Aabida Allaham


Works Minister revokes award to Junior Sammy for Tobago runway paving

WITH no board of directors in place at the Airports Authority of Trinidad and Tobago (AATT), Works and Transport Minister Jack Warner has admitted he has awarded a contract and taken away another.

"I approved the award for the airport lighting but revoked the one for the Tobago runway paving until the new board is appointed since the request (by the AATT) made of me in the letter of July 15, 2010 described the Tobago runway as 'a low to medium risk to aircraft operations'," he said.

Warner made the statement via a press release, in response to an exclusive report carried by the Express yesterday, which stated another contract valued at $162 million was awarded without the presence of a State board to Junior Sammy Contractors Ltd, of Sum Sum Hill in Claxton Bay.

In fact, Junior Sammy told the Express he had tendered for the job back in April and was "awarded the contract towards the end of August" although it was not "officially signed off" because there was no board in place. But according to Warner's statement, this contract was pulled from Sammy in September because there was no board in place.

In Warner's statement yesterday, he said he met with officials from AATT at an undisclosed date last month to discuss the Tobago runway paving project and the runway lighting project for Piarco International Airport and Crown Point International Airport for "a second time" and eventually "deemed" the lighting project as critical although the both contracts "had been issued by the Airports Authority".

"On July 15, 2010, the Airports Authority wrote to me requesting my approval to fix the Tobago runway, saying, 'The runway at Crown Point must be urgently rehabilitated as it currently poses a low to medium risk to aircraft operations', consistent with complaints made by airline pilots since September 27, 2002 and continuing."

"On August 24, I visited Tobago to meet the Chief Secretary (Orville London) and a delegation from the Tobago House of Assembly.

"My delegation and I inspected the Tobago runway with the technical officials from the Airports Authority, and we were shown the defective runway."

To date, "the letter of July 15, 2010, from the Airports Authority to me, remains unanswered to this day, pending the appointment of the new board," the statement added.

However, Sammy had told the Express on Tuesday while he was waiting for the contract to be "officially signed off", he had already begun peripheral work around the Tobago airport.

Even AATT's acting general manager Louis Frederick had confirmed Sammy was, in fact, chosen out of three other contractors to carry out the project.

And according to information received by the Express, Sammy was the second highest bidder.

Seereeram Brothers Ltd, of Xeres Road, Carlsen Field in Chaguanas, had the highest bid of $180 million.

When contacted, the engineer who worked on the project, Prakash Sookram, said, "Sometimes you win some and sometimes you lose some."

"That's the nature of the work."

The lowest bid, valued at $67 million, was tendered by Trinidad Contractors Ltd, which has been described as one of the oldest companies in Trinidad and Tobago with experience in building airport runways in countries across the region.

However, when the Express contacted managing director Bob Mahabir, he declined comment.

"I have certain things in train with respect to the airport, and it is not in our best interest at this time to divulge anything," he said.

The fourth bid, valued at $80 million, was made by Colas Construction Ltd, a French company with years of experience in the business.

According to a source, however, even though Warner has said the contract given to Junior Sammy to repave Crown Point was "revoked", the only reason it was awarded in the first place was because of "merit".

Merit, the source explained, was earned partially because Junior Sammy had repaved Piarco International Airport back in 2007.

However, the Express was also informed many of the local contractors who qualified for doing particular jobs tend to "jack up" their prices because they know they will still get the job as they are often the only choice when it comes to the awarding of contracts by Government.
Title: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Andre on November 16, 2010, 10:19:30 AM
post video to if allyuh have it.

this man ignorance make him a poet of the george w. bush variety.

from the news last night:

november 15, 2010: "everybody who using their mobile phone while driving is schupid!" -Jack Warner

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Quotes Thread
Post by: Socapro on November 16, 2010, 12:13:49 PM
post video to if allyuh have it.

this man ignorance make him a poet of the george w. bush variety.

from the news last night:

november 15, 2010: "everybody who using their mobile phone while driving is schupid!" -Jack Warner

I love to give JW stick as well because most of the times he deserves it but please tell me what is ignorant about that quote?! :-\

Or is it that you don't like how he stuttered when he said it or don't like his use of local dialect in a classless manner?! 
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Quotes Thread
Post by: Dumplingdinho on November 16, 2010, 12:22:50 PM
post video to if allyuh have it.

this man ignorance make him a poet of the george w. bush variety.

from the news last night:

november 15, 2010: "everybody who using their mobile phone while driving is schupid!" -Jack Warner

I love to give JW stick as well because most of the times he deserves it but please tell me what is ignorant about that quote?!  :-\

i guess he could have been politically correct and not say schupid but he is right, driving and using a cell phone is not a good move.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Quotes Thread
Post by: weary1969 on November 16, 2010, 12:23:35 PM
post video to if allyuh have it.

this man ignorance make him a poet of the george w. bush variety.

from the news last night:

november 15, 2010: "everybody who using their mobile phone while driving is schupid!" -Jack Warner

I love to give JW stick as well because most of the times he deserves it but please tell me what is ignorant about that quote?!  :-\
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Maybe he should just pass d law and stop bumping his gum.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Quotes Thread
Post by: Socapro on November 16, 2010, 12:26:22 PM
post video to if allyuh have it.

this man ignorance make him a poet of the george w. bush variety.

from the news last night:

november 15, 2010: "everybody who using their mobile phone while driving is schupid!" -Jack Warner

I love to give JW stick as well because most of the times he deserves it but please tell me what is ignorant about that quote?!  :-\

Maybe he should just pass d law and stop bumping his gum.

Good point!! But maybe he is more of a gum bumber!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Quotes Thread
Post by: weary1969 on November 16, 2010, 12:39:19 PM
post video to if allyuh have it.

this man ignorance make him a poet of the george w. bush variety.

from the news last night:

november 15, 2010: "everybody who using their mobile phone while driving is schupid!" -Jack Warner

I love to give JW stick as well because most of the times he deserves it but please tell me what is ignorant about that quote?!  :-\

Maybe he should just pass d law and stop bumping his gum.

Good point!! But maybe he is more of a gum bumber!

LIKE ALL HE FRIENDS IN D PP.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Quotes Thread
Post by: Babalawo on November 26, 2010, 09:03:47 PM
Sooooo in Parliament today. Amery Browne was criticizing Anil Roberts spending tax payers dollars on hosting the Nicki Minaj concert and the lyrics in her music with kids being in the concert... So in Anil's responds to Browne bringing up the lyrics of her song "Itty Bitty Piggy," Jack Warner shout out & turn the theme around and say she was singing about Browne and saying Browne have a Itty Bitty Piggy.  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: I still dead laughing. Yuh have to give Jack he credit in talking.

going to get meh friend do some online recording of this. the nation have to laugh at this clown
Title: A Jack Warner classic
Post by: Observer on December 10, 2010, 06:04:12 PM
This man needs a spokes person bad bad!

Amazing! Jack Warner said on TV this morning that 99% of the persons appointed by his government to State Boards do not have any history or experience in operating at that level.  ???
Title: Re: A Jack Warner classic
Post by: vb on December 10, 2010, 06:30:55 PM
Breds he once referred to football as 'the Black man sport.'

I guess whites, Indians etc must be renting it from dem.

Another time, due to poor turnout at a match due to rain, he commented
"black people fraid rain."

VB
Title: Re: A Jack Warner classic
Post by: sammy on December 10, 2010, 08:05:45 PM
allyuh eh hear he tell cabinet to choose between he and the caribbean airlines board?
Title: Re: A Jack Warner classic
Post by: weary1969 on December 10, 2010, 08:56:06 PM
allyuh eh hear he tell cabinet to choose between he and the caribbean airlines board?

Get that via a phone call from a friend 2nite. So in d red corner d HNIC and in d blue corner d HSIC.

In d middle u have d HNIC sayin he neva say dat like d files.
Title: Re: A Jack Warner classic
Post by: Jah Gol on December 10, 2010, 09:34:26 PM
 
This man needs a spokes person bad bad!

Amazing! Jack Warner said on TV this morning that 99% of the persons appointed by his government to State Boards do not have any history or experience in operating at that level.  ???

Jack will squeal like a pig the more they try to sideline him. They forget that they dealing with a man as vindictive as Basdeo Panday. How can a member of Cabinet who is supposedly in the good graces of the criticize the selection of members of State boards, 6-7 months into government. There is a major bacchanal brewing here.
Title: Re: A Jack Warner classic
Post by: elan on December 10, 2010, 10:25:38 PM
Look him talking here. (http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/video/video.php?v=10150350234195311&subj=637266352)


Kamala Parsad in dey backside (http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/video/video.php?v=10150350110950311)


Kamla supporting Nicholas over Warner.


VVVVVVVV
Title: Re: A Jack Warner classic
Post by: elan on December 10, 2010, 10:29:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/YZkPcNfPQ1I
Title: Re: A Jack Warner classic
Post by: weary1969 on December 11, 2010, 01:10:33 AM
Look him talking here. (http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/video/video.php?v=10150350234195311&subj=637266352)


Kamala Parsad in dey backside (http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/video/video.php?v=10150350110950311)


Kamla supporting Nicholas over Warner.


VVVVVVVV

Besides d blacklist players money is Nicholas etal money who have dem in power so u feel d tie tougue tief aka HNIC was goin 2 win this 1. D HSIC ah run tings.
Title: Re: A Jack Warner classic
Post by: Jah Gol on December 11, 2010, 06:48:21 AM
Kamala Parsad in dey backside (http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/video/video.php?v=10150350110950311)


Kamla supporting Nicholas over Warner.

The last time I saw the PM with that deer in the headlights look a couple of days after she buss the SIA mark.I waiting to see what will be the next distraction to deflect pressure from this episode. It has to be a juicy bacchanal.
Title: Re: A Jack Warner classic
Post by: lefty on December 11, 2010, 07:11:41 AM
and yet he continues to gather seemingly increasing public support while Kamla's own seem to have tapered off, was in ah taxi wit some strong JACK supporter d odder day who was of d opinion dat kamla etall should should ...............errr............. leggo d leash an allow Jack to run d serengeti free as ah bird "to get tings done". d sad fact is, unless HARD plentiful evidence of serious wrong doing on he part come to d fore, dat might carry d weight  of fraud or money laundering or other criminal behavior behind it, he goh be able to "spin" it to insignificance ..............sadly..........................jack juice seem to be a real strong intoxicant for d while still
Title: Re: A Jack Warner classic
Post by: Bourbon on December 12, 2010, 08:51:00 AM
 By George! (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/BY_GEORGE_-111706239.html)

Quote
"If I have erred for some reason, I would be the first to tell the Prime Minister 'I am sorry', apologise, and go and plant peas in Tobago. I have no problem with that. No office is too big ... for me to demit," Works and Transport Minister Jack Warner declared yesterday, as he addressed questions on the impasse between himself and the Caribbean Airlines board.

Warner said the country would lose the $10.8 million it paid down on the ATR deal if it does not go through. It would also affect the country's international reputation, he said.

"If we were to even go to court on it, we may have a serious matter to answer," he said during an interview on CNC3, adding that all this was not necessary.

Warner said his information from the experts indicated that the $1.2 billion ATR deal was still the best one. He said there was no room for further discussion with the George Nicholas III-led board.

"The board as presently composed, there is no room. And I will not allow myself to be further insulted by Mr Nicholas or Mr (Alan) Clovis," he said, adding that no board should be a runaway horse.

Asked what would be his position if the board does not step down, Warner said: "I would want the process to evolve. Let's see what happens. I am not trying to put any undue pressure on the Government or (Prime Minister) Mrs Persad-Bissessar. Let the process evolve."

Giving some background to the conflict between himself and the Caribbean Airline board, Warner said at meeting, which he held with the board, it was agreed that the ATR deal was the best one. He said the ministry team, Civil Aviation and CAL supported this deal. He said at the meeting, Alan Clovis, the Tobago representative on the board, was the one who raised the issue of the Bombardier aircraft, which was contrary to all the Tobago advice that he (Warner) had received. He said he told Clovis he could not talk about safety and airlines unless he had evidence.

"I said, 'Does anybody have anything else to add? Does anybody have anything new to say?' Nobody said anything. I said, 'Okay, if that is the case, it is now quarter to ten, I am going to Cabinet. That deal must close by tomorrow. Mr Brunton, (speaking) as the line minister, you are free to sign the deal,' which I could have said even before the board was appointed. This is quarter to ten. By 11 o'clock Mr Brunton was fired. And he was fired so that he wouldn't be able to sign the agreement (for the purchase of the ATRs."

He said Brunton was fired after he (Brunton) left that meeting and was on his way to Piarco.

"And I would say that in any court of law," Warner said.

Warner said when he told Brunton in the presence of board members that he could sign the deal, there was "not one dissenting voice. Mr Nicholas said not one single thing".

"So here am I in Cabinet. I get a text (message) saying 'Brunton was fired'. I say, "By whom?' They say by 'Mr Nicholas'. They don't say by the board, but by Mr Nicholas," Warner continued.

He said this was not how one should do things, especially since Brunton took CAL from a bankrupt airline to one with a cash reserve of $139 million in the bank.

"And a board comes in and within 18 days, fires him, without due process. It is the worse form of industrial relations I have seen," Warner added.

Warner said on a daily basis the rift between the himself and the CAL board was getting wider and wider. "And they fail to do the honourable thing," he said.

He said this matter could not be kept "hush-hush" since it would determine how other boards would act. He noted 99 per cent of the board appointees have no history or experience of how a board should be run.

"In the case of ministers of Government, we can't spend a nickel of taxpayers' money without Cabinet approval. How could boards who have to account for billions of dollars don't have to account to the line minister for it? So if you ask me what the QC (Andrew Mitchell who has been retained by the board) cost CAL, I don't know. And that is taxpayers' money," he said.

"Why wasn't I consulted when they were taking a top-class English lawyer?"


Now...dis might seem strange eh..buh....I kinda leaning to Jack side with dis. De fact is..running an airline is not something you could put any arbitrary person to do. The man's track record shows he's handling it well. Dis is ranking dotishness by de board in my view.


Buh on a side note..how come

Quote
Warner said the country would lose the $10.8 million it paid down on the ATR deal if it does not go through. It would also affect the country's international reputation, he said.

"If we were to even go to court on it, we may have a serious matter to answer," he said during an interview on CNC3, adding that all this was not necessary.

Is a problem now..but it wasnt with the OPV's? Ent de OPV's cost more? We reputation wasnt affected then?
Title: The Jack Awards 2010
Post by: Die_Hard on December 15, 2010, 05:51:24 PM
Disclaimer:  This is a post made by a facebook member Philip Edward Alexander.  Any resemblance to me or my thoughts are purely coincidental.  The views of the poster do not reflect the views or opinions of the Staff, moderators or posters of this website.  For Entertainment and thought only. 

Because it would not be Christmas without pageantry, we had to make sure and get our cake and juice on in time for the holidays.

For those of you who are scratching your heads and wondering what are 'the Jack Awrds, first do something for the itchy scalp and then read this:

Hot on the heels of the May 24th General Elections, Deosaran Bisnath and GOPIO (the Global Organization Of People of Indian Origin) decided to prove their exceptional Indian-ness by hosting an 'All Indian All the Time' award show (to the complete embarrassment of upstanding people of East Indian origin everywhere) to celebrate Indian people that they thought deserved a nothing award, a slice of cake and some juice.

Right there and then 'we' (the Organization of Semi Worthwhile and Distracting Events) knew we also wanted to do a 'Nothing Award' show complete with cake and juice too, but could not decide what to call it.

Then providence stepped in in the form of then HNIC Austin Jack Warner; in July of 2010, (then) Acting Prime Minister HNIC Austin Jack Warner, in his version of a 'Papa Doc' routine for the willing news cameras, promised a little boy who was kidnapped and who found his own way out of the forest a FIFA watch and a National Award for bravery. This offer understandably caused some furor in a place not known for public outcry, and when he realized his offer had backfired (and instead of looking magnanimous and Prime Ministerial he was in fact looking foolish), did a little 'two step' back pedal and said it wasn't a NATIONAL Award he meant, which made everyone who saw him on the evening news and in the papers the day before say 'huh?'

Which got us thinking that what he must have meant was a 'Jack Award', and so the Jack Awards were born.

Winners get a slice of cake, a glass of warm juice and a Jack Award.

 
The following people are nominated in no particular order for making a grand mess in the past thirty days, highlighted here because of their being active in the community and of such stature as to be able to be recognized in a crowd.

Louis Lee Sing

 

Nominated in multiple Categories this month, Louis Louis is working hard at getting everyone to love him. Famous for his 'Can't we all just get along' speech, this man is a shoe in for the Humanitarian of the Year Award.

 

Watson Duke

 

In his call to boycott Syrians because Indians not giving his Africans a raise, Duke also promised to stop eating 'char su kai fan' if somebody doesn't sponsor him a better megaphone and a hat.

 

He is nominated in the 'Social Relevance' Category.

 

Devant Maharaj

 

Believing himself all-powerful now that indians are in charge, 'bus driver to the stars' Devant decided to organize a crack team of three loyalists to challenge MATT (The Media Association of Trinidad & Tobago) for supremacy in the fight for the souls of journalists everywhere. Realizing that journalists aren't all that bothered about their souls in the first place, the move quickly fizzled and now the executive meet on Wednesday for drinks and reminisce about the good times.

 

Devant is again nominated in the 'Longer than the Red House Fire' Category.

 

MATT

 

Hot on the heels of a semi-comatose internal election, the new MATT executive promised sweeping changes throughout the profession. Following this highly charged revelation, MATT members (questioned after the election) were heard asking where they were going for lunch.

 

MATT is nominated in the 'Bright Eyed & Bushy Tailed' Category.

 

Deosaran Bisnath & GOPIO

 

Recurring Nominee in the 'Racism 4 Shizzle My Nizzle' Category, GOPIO seems to know how to get it's 'Indian' on. Can I get a whoo whoo?

 

No? How about just one whoo then?

 

Selwyn Cudjoe & NAEAP

 

Not to be outdone by Deo and the girls, Selwyn is also a recurring nominee in this hotly contested category. Demonstrating a super power that allows him to be silent and invisible when the PNM is in power, Selwyn sent a message to Deo "Bring it Muther F**ker". He was last seen 'getting on with his bad self' at a Chutney dance in Central.

 

Kamla Persad Bissessar

 

Nominated in both the 'Clueless in Seattle' and the 'Where are We' Categories, Kams (as she is affectionately known by bar staff everywhere) has made many noteworthy contributions, none more than the one where she adamantly declared that the SIA was now firmly under the control of the Commissioner of Police.

 

The Commissioner denied any such control, knowledge or other involvement in the Government's bacchanal, and needless to say there was egg on the face on the menu for everyone.

 

Herbert Volney

 

Retired Justice Volney caused a national stir when he told of secret break in's by Israeli operatives to steal the sensitive SIA files, which, while receiving national media attention, turns out to be just another example of why he is so 'huggable.'

 

 

Nominated in the 'Drunk Uncle Telling Stories' Category for the third month in a row, he may very well get a glass of juice in December.

 

Dwayne Gibbs

 

Becoming more Trini everyday, dragon slayer, crime fighter and killer margarita maker Gibbs was quick to distance himself from Kamla's and Volneys utterances on the SIA matter. Famous now for his 'deer in the headlight' stare into the camera, blue eyed boy Gibbs was not waiting for no cock to crow to deny knowledge of any such thing.

 

Nominated in both the 'Imbert-I Knows Not the Man' and the 'Tek in Front before In Front Tek You' categories.

 

Roodal Moonilal

 

Anointed heir apparent to the Prime Minister in a virtual sea of apparent heirs, Roodal has become quite talented at taking much credit while never actually doing anything himself. Ostensibly chosen by Kams to keep Jack and Winston from clawing each other's eyes out, lovable Roody is getting mad media handing out houses all over the place as Minister of Housing, while never actually having built a single house himself.

 

Glen Ramadhar Singh

 

Responding to the people's cry for something like a fuctioning Social Development Ministry, Ramma the Jamma immediately launched his 'Child Abuse World Tour' complete with props and pistons to get nothing done. Promising a 24 hour hotline, he quickly jumped into bed with Mary Moonan, who some say has a hot line of her own.

 

With the Government now picking up the tab, Childline was finally able to hire operators to actually answer the calls for help.

 

Also nominated in the 'Clueless in Seattle' category.

 

Jack Warner/George Nicholas

 

For bringing their on again off again bro-mance into the full view of a squeamish public, Jack and George spilled out of the closet and into the world of made for TV novellas. RIpe with speculation as to who's doing who, this story has everything including planes, trains and automobiles.

 

Nominated jointly for the 'Aretha Franklin R.E.S.P.E.C.T.' Category, the boys are working hard at bringing satin back.

 

Fellas, get a room.

 

Gregory Aboud

 

Behaving like the consumate upper class gentleman that he isn't, Gregory Aboud seems to get whiter everyday. Proving that money can make your farts smell like ice cream, Gregs has been farting pistachio and orange pine around the Mayor's Office since he was appointed. Head of DOMA for life, he is a practicing democrat as long as those pesky natives behave themselves.

 

For forgetting where his people came from in his mad rush to 'class up' himself, Mr.Aboud is nominated for the 'Adolf Whey You At Bro' Category.

 

Nizam Mohammed

 

Stopped for a traffic violation, head of the Police Service Commission and lifetime member of the Hair Club for Men Nizam 'put me on the invitation list' Mohammed, demonstrated why people continue to love him so much.

 

Dressing down the young Officer who had the audacity to stop him for breaking the law and ignoring the instructions of a police officer on duty, Nizam proceeded to dial the direct line of none other than the Commissioner of Police in an attempt to up his street 'cred' in the hood.

 

When the Commissioner hit 'ignore' on the call, Nizam had no choice but to drive away in an angry huff.

 

Nizam is nominated in the 'Bald is Beautiful 2' Category.

 

Anand Ramlogan

 

For his magnaminous role in keeping Ish & Steve from the clutches of Uncle Sam perpetually, Anand is nominated in the 'Mother Therersa' Category.

 

Piloting many Bills in Parliament that some say would have kept him busy as a Defense lawyer. Anand is also nominated in the 'Teenie Weenie Super Guy' Category.

 

Anil Roberts

 

Forcing the Speaker to hit him a 'Full Nelson,' 'Half Nelson' and a 'Round the House' takedown, Parliamentary bad boy for life Anil Roberts has been sent before the Privileges Committee for being 'Too Gangsta for the House.'

 

Called on his statement to Parliament by Opposition Bad Boy Amery Browne for having lied to the Parliament regarding the obscene contents of his 'Nicky Minaj State Sponsored Child Abuse' Concert, Anil was seen breathing quiet fire as he faced his nemesis in the House.

 

Anil is nominated in the 'Dutty Love' Category.

 

Keith Rowley

 

For putting his mouth in Warner and Nicholas' business, Rowley demonstrates once again why it looks like he wants to be in the People's Partnership too.

 

Not content to deal with PNM issues, the Leader of the Opposition is doing everything but leading the Opposition, leaving the door open for anyone from Manning to the car park attendant at Balisier House to challenge for the position.

 

Dr. Rowley is nominated in the 'Ralph Gonsalves - I in Everybody Business' Category

 

 

Credits:

 

The Jack Award is made of recycled chicken parts at KFC Laventille, is completely 'green' and eco friendly.

 

The Jack Awards are brought to you by former CLICO subsidiary - Dewey, Cheathem, & Howe and by Malaysian Construction Firm led by Sherrine Hart - So-suemee Limited.

 

The Jack Awards is not affiliated to any other award show both living and dead, and any resemblance between this show and any other would surprise us all.

 

All participants and Nominees have been pre-screened for Bird Flu, Swine Flu and Foofanoo.

 

All winners will receive their full slice of cake and glass of juice through the mail courtesy of TTPOST.

 

The Jack Awards will one day have its own ceremony complete with press and red carpet, dedicated to those who excel  at 'cocking' up epically on the national stage.

 

We plan to monitor the news, and bring you a Jack Awards function as regularly as the remaining Freedom of Speech allows.

 

The Jack Awards is an equal opportunity offender, and whoever is in Government, Opposition, State Appointees and/or receiving State funds under false pretenses will be nominated.

 

The Government of the people is supposed to work for the people, in the service of the people, and while firing them takes a little time, we can expose them for who and what they really are.

 

If you're a blind Party supporter, a racist, a biased Journalist, a corrupt public Official or a 'doh care' public servant, for reducing the quality of life in our nation, there is a Jack Award for you.

 

If you take yourself too seriously be careful, you can never tell if there's a Jack Award in your future too.
Title: Warner: I've done more than my predecessors
Post by: 1-868 on January 03, 2011, 05:19:11 AM
Warner: I've done more than my predecessors

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Warner__I_ve_done_more_than_my_predecessors-112785454.html


Government Minister Jack Warner has said that during his seven months in office, he has successfully delivered more to people in the country than any of his predecessors.

Warner spoke to the Express yesterday at his Arouca home, where he held a luncheon for the media.

Warner listed some of his successes since he became Works and Transport Minister.

"These seven months have, in many ways, been rewarding for me personally. It was an achievement to serve the country. I've paved more roads than any Minister of Works in the history of this country over the same period, I repaired more bridges, I built more box drains, I was able to carry the PTSC buses to rural areas, where they have never gone before. I was able to open up the bus route to more motorists to ease traffic on the highway and on the Eastern Main Road," he said.

"I was also able to improve some work on the port in Tobago and also the air link from Tobago to Trinidad. I was able to fix some of the trenches on the highway," he added.

He said he sees close to 200 people weekly at his Chaguanas West constituency office on a weekend, and at his Ministry from 4 a.m. to 7.30 a.m. he sees more people. Warner said while he would like to remedy all the problems facing people, there are obstacles and challenges that he must overcome.

He pointed out that since last June, Cabinet approved $21 million to build a median on the highway and his technocrats have informed him this will take a year to do.

"I am going back to my Ministry and my technocrats and insist this cannot work. They have to bring this early because lives are being lost," he said.

He also expressed sadness that 2011 started off with murders and accidents. Warner stressed that drivers needed to be more responsible on the roads and noted that soon there will be more highway patrols, speed traps and traffic wardens on the roads
Title: Re: Warner: I've done more than my predecessors
Post by: Brownsugar on January 03, 2011, 07:26:01 AM
Yes man Jackie boy.  From now till the 17th Feb I expect to see more PR from your good self, I expect nothing less oh king of the "smoking mirrors"..... ::)  ::)
Title: Re: Warner: I've done more than my predecessors
Post by: Bourbon on January 03, 2011, 07:44:35 AM

Quote
Warner spoke to the Express yesterday at his Arouca home, where he held a luncheon for the media.

Eat de tiefhead man.

Title: Re: Warner: I've done more than my predecessors
Post by: Sando prince on January 03, 2011, 08:28:32 PM
alot will agree , alot will disagree and most opinions will be based on political affiliation.
Title: Re: Warner: I've done more than my predecessors
Post by: Tallman on January 03, 2011, 08:44:23 PM
alot will agree , alot will disagree and most opinions will be based on political affiliation.

I doh see how anyone could even agree or disagree unless facts are presented. This article is just full of vague pronouncements.
Title: Re: Warner: I've done more than my predecessors
Post by: Bakes on January 03, 2011, 10:17:39 PM
alot will agree , alot will disagree and most opinions will be based on political affiliation.

As Tallman say, hard to agree or disagree.  For instance, he says he's accomplished more than any of his predecessors... going back how far... to 1956?  Where are the stats from this study?  The things he's counting as his accomplishments... did he initiate them after May 29, 2010... or was he merely continuing projects already in the pipeline?

On the other hand... all ah dat stats talk eh necessary, it not that serious.  "Serious" is de operative word, most ah we recognize empty self-aggrandizement when we hear it.  Plus is Jack.. well dat kinda redundant.
Title: Re: Warner: I've done more than my predecessors
Post by: weary1969 on January 03, 2011, 11:04:25 PM
LOUDDDDDDDDDD
STEUPSSSSSSSSS

U mean u had 2 apologize more than yuh predecessors.
Title: Re: Warner: I've done more than my predecessors
Post by: Sando prince on January 03, 2011, 11:17:14 PM
alot will agree , alot will disagree and most opinions will be based on political affiliation.
On the other hand... all ah dat stats talk eh necessary, it not that serious.  "Serious" is de operative word, most ah we recognize empty self-aggrandizement when we hear it.  Plus is Jack.. well dat kinda redundant.

I already said most opinions will be shaped on political affiliations
Title: Re: Warner: I've done more than my predecessors
Post by: Bakes on January 03, 2011, 11:38:55 PM
I already said most opinions will be shaped on political affiliations

I rejected that nonsense talk the first time... why would you think it merits re-consideration now?
Title: Re: Warner: I've done more than my predecessors
Post by: Sando prince on January 03, 2011, 11:47:54 PM
I already said most opinions will be shaped on political affiliations

I rejected that nonsense talk the first time... why would you think it merits re-consideration now?

what is there for you to reconsider?..Most people opinons of this article will be shaped on their political affiliation.
Title: Re: Warner: I've done more than my predecessors
Post by: Bakes on January 04, 2011, 01:06:20 AM
what is there for you to reconsider?..Most people opinons of this article will be shaped on their political affiliation.

That's an assumption on your part and a ridiculous one if you ask me. 

A more realistic assessment is that most people's opinions will be shaped by their opinion of Jack Warner.  Most people here (I'll wager) don't give a fig about Warner's politics, they just know enough not to take that joker too seriously.  Therein lies the choice in how we frame Warner's bragadocious claims... you see a political divide I see skepticism borne of a convoluted history of frustration at his hands.  I'll let others decide which they think is the more accurate assessment.
Title: Re: Warner: I've done more than my predecessors
Post by: Sando prince on January 04, 2011, 01:34:34 AM
what is there for you to reconsider?..Most people opinons of this article will be shaped on their political affiliation.

That's an assumption on your part and a ridiculous one if you ask me. 

A more realistic assessment is that most people's opinions will be shaped by their opinion of Jack Warner.  Most people here (I'll wager) don't give a fig about Warner's politics, they just know enough not to take that joker too seriously.  Therein lies the choice in how we frame Warner's bragadocious claims... you see a political divide I see skepticism borne of a convoluted history of frustration at his hands.  I'll let others decide which they think is the more accurate assessment.

See..you said "most people here" but this article is being read by a bigger population than the SW.net population and my answer to this thread is geared rowards that population. Not just the Sw.net posters who dont give a frig about Warner. The truth is the people on Sw.net who dont give a frig about Warner is a very small fraction of most people wo will read this article from the Trinidad Express, and will have opinions shaped on their political affiliations
Title: The Jack Awards... January 2011
Post by: Die_Hard on January 26, 2011, 08:25:48 PM
The Jack Awards... January 2011

.by Phillip Edward Alexander on Wednesday, January 26, 2011 at 11:38am.

Well what a difference a month makes.

 

We at the Organization for Semi Worthwhile & Distracting Events (OSWDE) would like to thank all of those who went out of their way to make this edition of the Jack Awards a bumper celebration.

 

It seems our biggest problem this month was figuring out where to begin, so let's jump right in and see where we go from here.

 

(Please note that like GOPIO's Best Indian Around Town Awards, the nominees are listed in no particular order)

 

Nominations for this month's Jack Award are:

 

 

Prakash Ramadhar

 

Nominated in the 'Wheel and Come Again' Category,  Prakash demonstrated an uncanny ability to recoil the glowing verbiage with which he used to describe another one of our nominees Ms Reshmi Ramnarine in the House of Representatives, in his defense of her qualifications and suitability to run the nation's highest Intel Office. The 180 degree turn he took in such quick time when he found out that she was not as qualified as she portrayed herself to be also qualifies him for a second glass of warm juice.

 

John Sandy

 

Minister of National Security John Sandy is nominated multiple times in the 'What You Talkin' 'Bout Willis' Category for his trademark quizzical expression in the face of media questions. Also nominated for the 'Clueless in Seattle' Award alongside Prime Minister Kamla Persad Bissessar.

 

Minister Sandy is the current holder of the 'Where Did I Leave My Keys?' Award.

 

Devant Maharaj

 

Ahhh Devant, bus driver to the stars, what would this show be without your cute shenanigans?

 

In answer to his Minister's call (no, not George Nicholas, the other Minister of Works and Transport), Devant defied the devious deviants that dared to disrupt this Award Show's namesake's plans to reduce crime by legalizing it once and for all, starting with making it 'A OK' for PH drivers to break the law as long as it's done with an impish grin. The Maxi Taxi hoodlums who withheld their service for a day in protest were judged to be prejudiced against the legally challenged PH drivers, so Devant made sure there were buses aplenty available to take everyone to work and back.

 

Well everyone except those living in Central and South, but as they don't matter he didn't care.

 

Devant is nominated in the 'Betty Go Go' Category.

 

Reshmi Ramnarine

 

It is very rare that a private citizen comes from obscurity at such speed that she collides with destiny, but it would seem that Reshmi had her eyes set on a Jack Award all along.

 

Believing that Intelligence people weren't all that intelligent, Reshmi made up credentials to fit a position and was promptly promoted beyond it by a Government known to support outcomes over substance.

 

Reshmi is nominated in the 'Friends of Sasha' Category.

 

Deosaran Bisnath & GOPIO

 

Nominated once again for being Indian enough in Indian time, the head of GOPIO deserves an award every month just because he and his organization are the inspiration for 'nothing' award shows everywhere.

 

Now that Kams has celebrated a year as Leader of the UNC, it cant be too long now before we have part two to his Best Indian Award Show created to get her to notice him not that long ago.

 

Deo is nominated in the 'How Low Can You Go' Category.

 

Selwyn Cudjoe & NAEAP

 

Like his former 'Best Boy Pal' Deosaran (above) and reminiscent of a character out of Sesame Street, one minute Selwyn is everywhere screaming in your face and the next minute he's gone.

 

No one is really sure what he does or what his organization stands for anymore, and while there have been speculation from African Leader to CEPEP Contractor, some have suggested that he is really a paid spokesmodel for Dashiki shirts.

 

Selwyn is nominated once again for the 'Hiding in Plain Sight' Award

 

Kamla Persad Bissessar

 

Celebrating one year since she took over as Captain of the good ship TT UNC, Kamla has had an industrious year busily doing whatever she could do to sink it. Realizing that she would need help to 'do so', she has amassed a crew of sailors that some say if anybody could sink a ship it would be this crew.

 

Having presided over much calamity on her watch (much too much as some would say, most by her own doing others say), Kamla still took time to make a patriotic carnivalesque fashion statement in celebration of Sir Ellis Clarke's final send off.

 

Spending time between wipeouts and continuous campaign stops, Kamla has promised her supporters at least three good reasons to wear those yellow shirts each year.

 

The current holder of the 'Clueless in Seattle' Award, Kams is nominated in the 'Man Overboard', 'Meerkat Manor' and the 'Quick! Everybody Hide' Categories.

 

Herbert Volney

 

Deciding that no month should go by without him getting a Jack Award, Huggable Herb has decided that if he couldnt cancel Carnival at least he would make it difficult for revelers to make noise.

 

Taking on the established and well attended WASA fete to start, Vooping Volney made a big swing and a miss and ended up on his back at Mount Hope Hospital, where some say the Ministry of Justice should be relocated to anyway.

 

Almost single handedly responsible for dry taps nationwide, Volney is nominated for the 'Like Yuh Eh See Mih Or Wha' Award.

 

Dwayne Gibbs

 

By telling everyone that the case involving head of the Police Service Commission and spokesman for the Hair Club for Men Nizam Mohammed's brush with the law is now decided and closed despite the public's cry for something like justice, Gibbsie took another step closer to becoming a full fledged Trini.

 

Nothing says 'I iz a Trini' better than abuse of Public Office, and many a Canadian Ex-Pat are envious at the speed with which Dapper Dwayne is making the transition.

 

Nominated for the 'Bareback & Drunk' Award, we at OSWDE expect big things from the lovable Commish in the future.

 

Rupert Griffith

 

Just when you thought that his crossing the floor was the high point of his dynamic and news worthy career, Rupee went one step closer to having his name remembered by winning the Jack Award for the biggest waste of money we have ever seen bar none.

 

Deciding that if he was going to promote Tourism, Minister of Tourism Griffith decided that the place to do it was India as they have never seen floods and poverty first hand.

 

To make his point that this is the place every Indian wants to be, he decided that the best demonstration of Trini culture would be the 'Orange Sky High in Bangalore Tour', first class, courtesy of the people of Trinidad & Tobago.

 

Rupert is nominated in the 'Sugar Daddy' and 'Dan Dadda' Categories.

 

Jack Warner

 

For bringing us one step closer to anarchy, Minister of Works & (sometimes) Transport - Jack Warner has challenged decency and ethics at every turn and won.

 

Not comfortable being told what to do, Warner has decided that no law should remain carved in stone if removing it could earn him votes or money or both.

 

Because he is the namesake of these Awards, Austin Jack Warner gets an Award every month for simply being Jack.

 

Jack is nominated in the 'Yes Anil is MY Friend' Category.

 

 

Anand Ramlogan

 

No stranger to the Jack Awards, Anand has won in the 'Mother Therersa' Category before for his magnaminous role in keeping Ish & Steve from the clutches of Uncle Sam, some say perpetually.

 

Nothing could have prepared us for the slew of nominations Anand received for this edition of the show, and it would be no stretch to say that he is a shoe in for the Miss Congeniality Award.

 

From missing Pianos to under achieving appointees, the AG may find himself with more Awards than anyone else in history.

 

He is nominated for the prestigious 'Martin Luther King Jr I Had  a Dream' Award among others.

 

 

Other nominees for Awards are:

 

Watson Duke & Peter Permell in the 'Winston, Steups - Nigga Pleaz' Category

 

The organizers of the funeral of former President Sir Ellis Clarke in the 'It Could Do So' Category

 

For his comments during 'Piano-Gate', Patrick Manning is nominated for the 'Minshall School of Style' Award.

 

 

There have been some other notable changes to the show, including the use of Mabel's Mauby instead of warm juice in certain categories.

 

Also in the line up of changes is the Ramma Damma Ding Dong Prize for most endearing media pose, named for the holder of the trademark facebook smile Glen Ramadhar Singh; the winner of this prize gets a bag of hops and a voucher as well as the ubiquitous Jack Award, and an autographed copy of the Roodal Moonilal's  'Sweating to the Chutneys' Workout Video.

 

Not everyone who were nominated this month could have gotten an Award, but many qualify for a glass of juice and a slice of cake courtesy Courts Furniture Store.

 

Credits:

 

The Jack Award is made in India using hemp and other natural ingredients.

 

The Jack Awards is ninety nine per cent fat free and contains no trans fats; low in calories and high in fiber, the Jack Awards can be part of a balanced breakfast.

 

The Jack Awards are brought to you by Lawrence Duprey & Andre Monteil from an undisclosed sunny location.

 

This show is not affiliated to any other award show both living and dead, and is written on recycled paper.

 

All participants and Nominees have been booked through the SIA's 'getting to know you' outreach program.

 

All winners will receive their full slice of cake and glass of juice at the Offices of OSWDE in Puerto RIco.

 

Closing:

 

We at OSWDE have been acused of suffering from delusions of grandeur and we ask our detractors - 'Who's suffering?'

 

While we do not yet have our own live show, one day we will and that day will change the world forever and maybe, just maybe, make people who are in the Public's Employ take their responsibility a little more seriously.

 

The producers of the show would like to extend their condolences to the families of Decency and Integrity who, while missing for some time, are feared dead.

 

 

The Jack Awards is an equal opportunity offender, and if your name call it call; If you dont want it to call, walk tall.

 

The Government of the people is supposed to work for the people, in the service of the people, and while firing them takes a little time, we can expose them for who and what they really are.

 

If you're a blind Party supporter, a racist, a biased Journalist, a corrupt public Official or a 'doh care' public servant, for reducing the quality of life in our nation, there is a Jack Award for you.

 

If you take yourself too seriously be careful, you can never tell if one day you bend a corner and see us smiling with a Jack Award just for you.



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Title: Warner to probe $27 M contract
Post by: vb on May 16, 2011, 05:32:55 AM
Mods if posted before, apologies. Haven't seen it.

VB
===========

Warner to probe $27m CAL contract
Published: Mon, 2011-05-16 21:12
Reshma Ragoonath
 
Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar announced yesterday that an investigation will be launched into allegations that a $27 million Caribbean Airlines contract was awarded to an insurance firm owned by the airline’s chairman George Nicholas and his family. Heading the investigation will be Works and Transport Minister Jack Warner, the line minister for CAL, who will liaise with Attorney General Anand Ramlogan on the matter, then report to the Prime Minister. Persad-Bissessar, speaking with reporters after a military parade at High Street, Siparia, to mark the occasion of Siparia Fete, said she was still awaiting a written report on the CAL Board from the Finance and General Purposes Committee. “The committee has not yet given me a written report, I guess because they have so many matters that seem to be important,” she said. “The board continues to function until such time as that report comes and a decision is taken.”

Yesterday, the Sunday Guardian reported exclusively that a three-year contract to provide employment benefits, brokerage and consulting services at CAL was awarded to CIC Insurance Brokers, a subsidiary of CIC Holdings, on February 4. Issa Nicholas Holdings Limited, CIC’s fifth largest shareholder, is owned by Nicholas’ father. He is also a director of the company. Persad-Bissessar said she was not aware of the allegations. “I do not know anything more than what is in the newspapers...I saw the headline, but I did not get a chance to read the story so it would be inappropriate to comment on that now,” she said. She said, however, that Warner would investigate the matter.

The Sunday Guardian report stated Nicholas, vice-chairman Mohan Jaikaran, and directors Allan Clovis and Gizelle Russell, were at the tenders committee meeting with insurance manager Ronald Sukhbir and human resources manager Charmaine Heslop Da Costa, when CIC was shortlisted. It is also alleged that WINTV, a local television station owned and operated by Jaikaran, had received a significant number of advertising contracts from the airline. Persad Bissessar said: “I will certainly ask the line minister to look into the matter.” In Siparia yesterday, Persad-Bissessar took the salute at a military parade which featured members of the T&T Regiment, Prisons and Coast Guard. Before the parade, the Prime Minister visited the La Divina Pastora Roman Catholic Church where she prayed and paid homage to the patron saint.

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Title: Re: Warner to probe $27 M contract
Post by: vb on May 16, 2011, 05:36:11 AM
This FU*&^& HILARIOUS!!!!!

The man whose family has gotten football catering contracts, the man who say he didn't know his wife and son was illegally selling FIFA tickets and making millions, HE going to investigate bobol..

Kamala give me a FU*&^&* break nah. How shameless are these people?
Exactly how stupid and ignorant do they think the public is?

Why de ass she doh ask JW to investigate the TTFF and find out why they take millions and can't account for it.

One day somebody go hold down this man and slap him yes.

VB
Title: Re: Warner to probe $27 M contract
Post by: Bourbon on May 16, 2011, 07:02:58 AM
But..if anybody should know about conflicts of interest...is Jack. Who better to conduct the investigation then?
Title: Re: Warner to probe $27 M contract
Post by: Jah Gol on May 16, 2011, 07:45:43 AM
When you as big as those guys any number of contracts could have a conflict of interest. Again, a conflict of interest does not prove any wrong doing but when you don't declare your interest it raises a red flag. Especially in this case where Gaurdian Holdings actually scored higher than CIC.
Title: Re: Warner to probe $27 M contract
Post by: 1-868 on May 16, 2011, 08:12:53 AM
 :devil:THE DEVIL CORRECTING SIN  :devil:
Title: Re: Warner to probe $27 M contract
Post by: rotatopoti3 on May 16, 2011, 09:11:10 AM
THE DEVIL CORRECTING SIN
 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

nice one.....ah cant help meyself  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Warner to probe $27 M contract
Post by: weary1969 on May 16, 2011, 11:43:15 AM
:devil:THE DEVIL CORRECTING SIN  :devil:

MY EXACT THOUGHTS WHEN ISAW D ARTICLE.
But..if anybody should know about conflicts of interest...is Jack. Who better to conduct the investigation then?

CO-SIGNNNNNNNNN
Title: Re: Warner to probe $27 M contract
Post by: Deeks on May 16, 2011, 05:48:11 PM
it takes a tief to catch a tief.
Title: Re: Warner to probe $27 M contract
Post by: vb on May 16, 2011, 08:31:44 PM
it takes a tief to catch a tief.

Careful Jack boldface enough to use that as his campaign motto.

VB
Title: Re: Warner to probe $27 M contract
Post by: Deeks on May 18, 2011, 07:42:28 AM
it takes a tief to catch a tief.

Careful Jack boldface enough to use that as his campaign motto.

VB

I remember the kaiso by Spoiler. "The judge to himself, I charge you for speeding".
Title: Re: Warner to probe $27 M contract
Post by: Socapro on May 18, 2011, 01:32:46 PM
it takes a tief to catch a tief.

Careful Jack boldface enough to use that as his campaign motto.

VB

I remember the kaiso by Spoiler. "The judge to himself, I charge you for speeding".

Chorus from "Magistrate Tries Himself" by Spoiler:

The Judge to himself "You are charged for speeding!"
The Judge to himself "The Policeman lying!"
The Judge to himself "Aye man, this eh no sport!"
And he charge himself for contempt of court!

All this is done by the Magistrate while holding up a mirror to himself in court!
He's the only Judge in the district and has to trial himself for a speeding charge!
Spoiler was the best yes!!
 ;D
Title: Jack hands out $1.5B
Post by: Flex on June 30, 2011, 09:17:09 AM
Jack hands out $1.5B
By Richardson Dhalai (Newsday).
Thursday, June 30 2011


Five months after Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar turned the sod, Works Minister Jack Warner yesterday handed over $1.5 billion to the National Infrastructure Development Company, (NIDCO), to finance the start of the construction of the $7.2 billion highway between San Fernando and Point Fortin.

Warner presented a replica cheque for $1.5 billion to NIDCO president Dr Carson Charles, which represented the first of four tranches of the $7.2 billion financing, at the Golconda Roundabout, San Fernando.

Addressing an audience of representatives of Brazilian contractor Constructora OAS and local La Brea-based contractor, Namalco, Warner criticised his detractors who claimed Government had difficulty in sourcing finance and predicted the project would not get underway.

He quoted the Bible, the book of Ecclesiastes, chapter 3, verses one to eight, which says, “There is a time for everything; there is a season for every activity under the heaven.’

Warner then included his own verse which he directed to the Opposition saying, “and I want to add; ‘A time to talk and a time to shut up’.”

“I want to tell...the Rowleys of this world, today is a time to shut up because we are here today to make the first payment to NIDCO who in turn would sit down with the OAS people and do the necessary formal signing,” Warner said. “We are giving them the first payment, the first of four payments, $1.5 billion and in case those detractors don’t know what that means, $1.5 billion which we did not have to borrow,” he said, adding, “that money came from our own local resources.”

During the question and answer session in which he was asked why Government had not borrowed the money, he said for the “next three payments we shall look for borrowings either inside or outside the country.”

“And if we don’t feel to borrow, we pay again from inside, that is our business. The fact is that at no point in time shall the lack of finance, at any time, be a reason for this work not to continue,” he said. “You do not borrow money if you have, I don’t understand that kind of maths if you have the money, why borrow it?”

He added, “You have money for infrastructure and development, you have money for salaries and pensions, you don’t take development money and pay salaries and pensions.”

Debe/ Point Fortin Highway Action Committee president Edward Moodie asked about the compensation to persons who have to relocate from areas in the path of the highway construction.

Moodie hoped it would not take as long as the ten years Oropoune residents had to wait for compensation to relocate for the Piarco Airport, noting many still had not yet received any money.

Warner assured compensation shall be fair and prompt.

“We shall make sure that when we relocate the people, as far as possible, their culture, their religion, their flora and their fauna, all of that shall be taken under consideration,” he said.

Warner also stated that the highway would be used as a benchmark for future highway projects saying “if things go well,” the next highway would be from San Fernando to Mayaro.

More than 200 persons have been employed on the project and the figure is expected to peak at an estimated 7,000 persons.

CNC3 VIDEO (http://guardian.co.tt/content/wen7monx264mp4)
Title: Re: Jack hands out $1.5B
Post by: truetrini on July 03, 2011, 05:00:21 PM
dey cyar pay civil servants mre than 5%, the treasury empty.
dey cyar raise funing as dey in arrears to contractors and banks and de treasury empty.
dey cyar pay 2 billion in debt to contractors cause de treasury empty.
dey cyar buy de opv's and de treasury empty.
dey pay 2 million for soca monarch and chutney and de tresuty empty.

YET......

JAck say he pay 1.5 billion direct from de treasury and say he eh need to raise funding as that is bad maths. In may 11, 2011 Min of Finance Dooks say he have real hell in getting dat money as he in deficit budgeting and dat he cyar get funding...well yes.
Title: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on August 07, 2011, 06:26:43 AM
Cabinet approves committee to oversee $7b Point Fortin highway project
By Anna Ramdass (Express)


HIT THE ROAD, JACK

Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar confirmed yesterday that Cabinet has approved an interministerial committee to ensure proper oversight and accountability of the $7.2 billion Point Fortin highway project which falls under the purview of Works and Infrastructure Minister Jack Warner.

Asked yesterday by the Sunday Express about the decision, Persad-Bissessar responded: "Yes, it has already been set up by Cabinet...approved by Cabinet on Thursday."

Government sources said the committee includes Warner, Minister in the Ministry of Works and Infrastructure Stacy Roopnarine, Minister of Local Government Chandresh Sharma, Minister of Housing and the Environment Dr Roodal Moonilal as well as representatives from the National Infrastructure Development Company with the most likely representative being the organisation's head Dr Carson Charles.

The move to establish an interministerial committee to assist Warner comes after his portfolio was cut with the Prime Minister's decision to split the Works and Transport Ministry in June.

Under the new arrangement Warner, who once held responsibility for 14 State boards was left with only two, while newly appointed Transport Minister Devant Maharaj was given much of the work.

Speaking to the Sunday Express at his Chaguanas West constituency office where scores of people were waiting patiently to see him yesterday, Warner said he was not worried by the Cabinet's move to set up a committee as long as the highway was completed on time and within budget.

"I don't care if they appoint one committee or ten, my only concern is that the highway is delivered within time and within budget. I have no other concern," said Warner.

Asked if he felt slighted in any way, he responded: "I am light years away from my detractors and from any guys who of course believe that this committee will worry me. I'm not the least bit worried."

Warner added: "I am not the least bit fazed or concerned...if the committee is there to provide oversight to complete the highway on budget and within time so be it, I have nothing to hide, it's when you have something to hide then you get worried and you get concerned and you are angry and bothered. I welcome five more committees if it's necessary."

Warner said no matter what decisions are taken his devotion and commitment was to continue working for the people of this country.

"I came to my office (Chaguanas West constituency office) at 4.15 this morning. I have already seen 142 persons of which only 16 were from Chaguanas West but everybody who left my office left with a smile," said Warner.

Last Wednesday, Warner complained about difficulty in getting $750 million of an approved $1.5 billion for ongoing works throughout the country.

Finance Minister Winston Dookeran said there were delays because the money was being sourced though a loan from the National Insurance Board (NIB).

Warner disclosed yesterday that he was not assured by this and this week he will be taking a note to Cabinet to approve giving work to contractors and paying them at a later date.

Warner said there are many contractors who gave the assurance to do the necessary works and receive payments in November or even next year.

Sources told the Sunday Express that since the splitting of Warner's ministry there has been some strain and "hidden tension" at Cabinet meetings in Port of Spain.

The Prime Minister's move to downsize Warner's portfolio came as all eyes in the international community were on him when bribery allegations were levelled against him and former Asian football head Mohamed Bin Hammam.

The two were accused of being involved in the offer of bribes to members of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) at a meeting at the Hyatt Regency (Trinidad) hotel, Port of Spain earlier this year in exchange for votes for Bin Hammam who was in the race for presidency of FIFA, the world football governing body.

Bin Hammam was banned from football activities for life (a move he has appealed). Warner resigned as a FIFA Vice President before the election and FIFA has said he is presumed innocent of any charges.

Sources told the Sunday Express that the establishment of this committee was not in any way a move against Warner but one to ensure that the project is delivered on time.

"There is nothing unusual about this, committees have been established in other areas with the primary objective of having more hands on deck and ensuring that the work is done and delivered," said a source.

A source also disclosed that Cabinet ministers were concerned over the possible conflict of interest in the Works Ministry when Director of Highways Roger Ganesh sat on an evaluation committee for months which recommended multi million dollar contracts for his son-in-law's company Kall Co Ltd.

It was only in June after Attorney General Anand Ramlogan intervened in the matter were steps taken to replace Ganesh.

With respect to the Point Fortin highway some $1.5 billion has already been injected into the project which is to be undertaken by Brazilian company Construtora OAS.

Warner had said some 40 per cent of the works will also be given to local contractors.

Persad-Bissessar turned the sod for the billion-dollar highway in January.

Work has already started and it is expected to be completed in four years.

Title: Re: Jack hands out $1.5B
Post by: Flex on August 17, 2011, 05:35:52 AM
Jack gets $250m for road repairs.
By: Yvonne Baboolal (Guardian).


Disclosing that he did not doubt the money to fix roads in Point Fortin would come, Works Minister Jack Warner yesterday said he received $250 million as a first tranche from the Government for the project.

Last Sunday, Warner said he planned to resign if he did not get money to fix Point Fortin’s roads in two weeks. His ultimatum came after protests from residents of the PNM stronghold. Yesterday, he said he did not think that resigning was ever on the cards and that he was a bit disenchanted (when he made the statement).

Asked if he was bluffing, he said no. Warner also ignored questions on whether it was a ploy to get money from the Government. He said he got $250 million and expected to get a balance of $500 million in a month or two. The Government’s Programme for Upgrading Roads Efficiency (Pure)  earlier this year received $750 million  raised by the National Insurance Property Development Co Ltd.

Warner made the disclosure at a press conference he said he called to let the nation know that his ministry was constructing a $2 million flood alleviation detention pond in South Quay, Port-of-Spain, opposite the Central Market.

He said roadworks would begin in Point Fortin at 9 pm Thursday. He invited the media to dinner at 10 pm in the area. He said the media could overnight since works were going to begin on the Tarouba Link Road at 2 am on Friday. Responding to questions from the media on another matter, Warner said he did not think Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley’s figure of $2.4 billion in payment to residents for land for the Golconda to Point Fortin highway was correct. Rowley on Monday said before the Government came into office, preliminary costs were estimated to be $800 million. He claimed the figure has now jumped to $2.4 billion and insinuated that it was to pay constituents of Government MPS. Rowley said these MPs were put on what was supposed to be a Cabinet sub-committee to oversee the $7 billion highway project. Responding, Warner said yesterday: “I don’t think the figures are quite correct. I am not aware of any $2.4 billion. “But I do know that the price of the land has increased dramatically over the past two years.”

He added: “The committee has not even met. The land has not even been surveyed as yet. I can’t see how what Rowley is saying has any merit.”
Warner said he could not see any corruption in the project because of the level of transparency that had been pledged.
Noting that the value of land had increased over the past two years, he recalled that when the Mamoral Dam was to be built four years ago, it was agreed that $49 million would be paid to citizens for land to be used in the project.
The dam was never built and Warner said those same properties were now valued at more than $200 million.
“And if you wait longer, it will pass $300 million,” he said.
Warner said market prices dictated what the Government paid.
He also dismissed Rowley’s charge that the Cabinet sub-committee overseeing the highway project was comprised of people who were not Government (and Cabinet) ministers.
Rowley singled out Stacy Roopnarine who he said was only a minister in the Ministry of Works and not a Cabinet member.
Warner said: “I don’t know about junior or senior. Stacy is a minister. Everybody (on the committee) is a minister.
“From my little education in school, I know it’s an inter-ministerial committee.”
Title: Re: Jack hands out $1.5B
Post by: sammy on August 17, 2011, 06:35:36 AM
steups, they paving the highway that dont need paving right now and worse yet, they block the drain in the middle causing water to back up.
Title: Re: Warner to probe $27 M contract
Post by: Flex on September 11, 2011, 06:21:30 AM
‘Nicholas promised to mend his ways’
Published: Sun, 2011-09-11 22:15
Asha Javeed (Guardian).

 
Transport Minister Devant Maharaj Distressed over the direction of national carrier Caribbean Airlines (CAL), the Executive Management has written to Transport Minister Devant Maharaj requesting his “immediate intervention in addressing the manner in which the chairman of the board of directors of the company is directing the National Carrier of T&T and treats with management”.

The letter, addressed on August 28 and copied to Attorney General Anand Ramlogan and Finance Minister Winston Dookeran, was sent nine days after CAL chairman George Nicholas’ resignation was not accepted by Maharaj. Nicholas had resigned, via email to Maharaj and the board, on August 16 over a disagreement on the acquisition of two additional aircraft for CAL.

Instead of accepting Nicholas’ resignation, the board which comprises of vice-chairman Mohan Jaikaran, Jamaican Dennis Lalor, Gizelle Russell, Avedanand Persad and Venosh Sageewan Maraj was in full support of its chairman. However, the board’s support of Nicholas because of “overbearing bureaucracy that has in the airline management’s view stymied the decision making process required for the airline management” appears at odds with CAL’s executive management headed by Chief Executive and vice president of Commercial and Customer Experience, Robert Corbie.

The Letter
The letter identified three main issues with Nicholas, to which attachments were added:
“1 Threats of termination of staff and inappropriate and demeaning comments in respect of members of staff both of a personal and professional nature. 2 Sporadic and frequent attempts at micromanagement by directly giving instructions to management. 3 Directives and announcements to acquire a variety of aircraft type which are significant divergent from the Company’s network plan without accepting the processes, procedures and timelines in acquiring such aircraft. This negatively affects our corporate image.”

The executive management said it’s “very cognisant of the fact that it is responsible for the manner in which public funds are utilised and accounted for and while the performance of the company has been adequate given the challenging integration with Air Jamaica, we are concerned about the current rate of cash burn over the last eight months. “Certain undertakings have been made by the chairman without the consent of management which involve financial commitments that can have a negative impact on the planning and overall financial performance of the company.” The executive said it prided itself on being a self sufficient organisation operating without the need for significant annual subventions from the Government.

“With the current pattern of cash burn we are not certain that this lack of dependency for subventions will exist in the short term,” the letter stated. “Further, the executive management is not prepared to continue to bear the brunt of disrespectful, insultive and unjustified personal remarks, casual threats of termination, incessant requests for updates on matters which would require careful and serious research, and non-compliance with the principles of good corporate governance.” The management requested Maharaj’s intervention so that the daily operations or the strategic direction of CAL will not be affected.

“Should the Government of T&T elect to maintain the status quo notwithstanding our concerns raised in this letter, we wish to have our complaint herein placed on record and the executive management be indemnified and released of liability for its performance of actions and/or directives of the chairman which has resulted or may result in mismanagement, loss of profit, damage to corporate integrity, litigation against the airline, non-compliance with corporate governance and/or instability of the National Carrier of T&T.”

Maharaj responds
Maharaj, who confirmed receipt of the letter, said it did not go to Cabinet. “I spoke to the chairman and he has promised to mend his ways. The matter is being dealt with,” Maharaj told the Sunday Guardian. He explained that with new people at the heads of organisations there was bound to be “personality conflicts”. Questioned on the company’s financial position, Maharaj said he was informed by the chairman that the company was now in the black. And while Maharaj has not yet received any of CAL’s account, he has no reason to doubt the board would not be factual.

When the Sunday Guardian pointed out that the executive management’s position and the board’s position differed on the company’s finances, Maharaj maintained that the company would have an audited statement. Maharaj explained that Nicholas’ view of the airline was “an economic one” whilst the executive management was more engaged with the “interpersonal relationship”. Maharaj said he has the board’s commitment to develop a better relationship with the executive management.

Nicholas responds
Nicholas told the Sunday Guardian that the matter with CAL’s executive management had been resolved. He said along with Maharaj, he met with management on a tour of CAL’s Piarco facilities last week. “We’ve moved passed that. The move to be more passenger-centric would have caused some unease,” he said. Questioned on the airline’s finances, he said that for the first time CAL was making profits. And while he could not say when the company’s 2009 and 2010 financial statements would be made public, he said the company had contributed US$170 million to the Treasury thus far. CAL’s communications manager Laura Asbjornsen had no comment on the issue.
Title: Re: Warner to probe $27 M contract
Post by: Jah Gol on September 11, 2011, 06:58:29 AM


“Should the Government of T&T elect to maintain the status quo notwithstanding our concerns raised in this letter, we wish to have our complaint herein placed on record and the executive management be indemnified and released of liability for its performance of actions and/or directives of the chairman which has resulted or may result in mismanagement, loss of profit, damage to corporate integrity, litigation against the airline, non-compliance with corporate governance and/or instability of the National Carrier of T&T.”



*Rolls Nicholas neatly under the bus*
Title: Re: Warner to probe $27 M contract
Post by: Football supporter on September 11, 2011, 11:15:13 AM
it takes a tief to catch a tief.

Poacher turned gamekeeper
Title: Jack: I’ll get money for tunnel.
Post by: Flex on October 09, 2011, 04:19:53 AM
Jack: I’ll get money for tunnel
By RESHMA BAAL (Newsday).
October 8 2011


Funding for the construction of a tunnel from Tunapuna to the Maracas Valley, through the hills of the North Coast, as well as the completion of the Mamoral Dam Project will be provided for in the 2012 National Budget.

This is according to Minister of Works and Infrastructure, Jack Warner.

In an interview with Newsday in Chaguanas yesterday, Warner said, “I know funding will be made available for these projects in the Budget.”

During the 2011 Budget debate last year, Warner brought up the idea of the construction of a tunnel in the Northern Range to assist with traffic congestion, as well as to curb the erosion of the North Coast Road.

Warner said the tunnel will save villages such as La Fillette and others from being lost if the road on the coast continues to collapse.

He said the North Coast Road is collapsing and it is becoming more expensive to maintain.

“I will talk more about these things during the debate as they will be part of the debate,” Warner said.

He said funding will also be provided for the completion of the Mamoral Dam project in the budget.

“These things cannot be postponed therefore it will form part of my presentation,” Warner said.

The project is expected to reduce the frequency and severity of flooding in central Trinidad and alleviate the environmental degradation and health hazards caused by the perennial phenomenon.

It is projected to generate 7,000 jobs.

Earlier it was estimated that the cost of the land to be used for the Mamoral Dam was $49 million, but it has since passed $200 million as the cost of the land has appreciated over the years.
Title: Re: Jack: I’ll get money for tunnel.
Post by: Football supporter on October 09, 2011, 05:37:29 AM
I have a good idea for this tunnel. Why not use prisoners to dig it? Good old fashioned hard labour. You never know, you may see Jack out there soon with a shovel digging his own tunnel as part of the chain gang!!
Title: Re: Jack: I’ll get money for tunnel.
Post by: Daft Trini on October 09, 2011, 08:34:13 AM
Tunnels and Dams are huge money laundering pits.  :beermug:
Title: Re: Jack: I’ll get money for tunnel.
Post by: Jah Gol on October 09, 2011, 08:47:45 AM


He said the North Coast Road is collapsing and it is becoming more expensive to maintain.

“I will talk more about these things during the debate as they will be part of the debate,” Warner said.

He said funding will also be provided for the completion of the Mamoral Dam project in the budget.

“These things cannot be postponed therefore it will form part of my presentation,” Warner said.

A multi-billion dollar tunnel is the solution for rising maintenance cost of the North Cost Road.
Title: Re: Jack: I’ll get money for tunnel.
Post by: ZANDOLIE on October 09, 2011, 01:22:35 PM
Of course the long term impact on the Northern coastal ecosystem, with revenue generating potential in the TT$100,000,000s will not be considered.

FIFA money dry up so Jack need another source of income.

The good minister must be already set all the neccessary shell companies, kickbacks, untendered contracts and inflated project costs and other assorted scams.
Title: Re: Jack: I’ll get money for tunnel.
Post by: Jah Gol on October 09, 2011, 01:53:50 PM
There were sound economic reasons for halting the rapid rail project  which I was prepared to accept. If this project goes ahead then it will be in the same vein of the OPV cancellation.
Title: Re: Jack: I’ll get money for tunnel.
Post by: Controversial on October 09, 2011, 02:06:07 PM
Of course the long term impact on the Northern coastal ecosystem, with revenue generating potential in the TT$100,000,000s will not be considered.

FIFA money dry up so Jack need another source of income.

The good minister must be already set all the neccessary shell companies, kickbacks, untendered contracts and inflated project costs and other assorted scams.

100,000,000 is joke, they looking to make 1,000,000,000 minimum
Title: Re: Jack: I’ll get money for tunnel.
Post by: ZANDOLIE on October 09, 2011, 02:30:50 PM
Of course the long term impact on the Northern coastal ecosystem, with revenue generating potential in the TT$100,000,000s will not be considered.

FIFA money dry up so Jack need another source of income.

The good minister must be already set all the neccessary shell companies, kickbacks, untendered contracts and inflated project costs and  other assorted scams.

100,000,000 is joke, they looking to make 1,000,000,000 minimum

I'm not sure if we are meaning the same thing. I'm making a guess about how much the North Coast area can generate if developed slowly, sytematically and properly with a view to ecology. With income for folks spread about more equitably than vast sums going to the ususal suspects and government hacks. Blasting and drilling is a real destructive process. Not to mention the increased pressure the area will come under from more human presence. My opinon is not well formed because I don't have a lot of information to go on, but familiarity with we backward arse copycyat tendencies, love of 'big shot' way of doing things, and Jack's gunslinger ways make me believe it will be just another destructive, overdone disaster in the making.
Title: Re: Jack: I’ll get money for tunnel.
Post by: Controversial on October 09, 2011, 03:24:28 PM
Of course the long term impact on the Northern coastal ecosystem, with revenue generating potential in the TT$100,000,000s will not be considered.

FIFA money dry up so Jack need another source of income.

The good minister must be already set all the neccessary shell companies, kickbacks, untendered contracts and inflated project costs and  other assorted scams.

100,000,000 is joke, they looking to make 1,000,000,000 minimum

I'm not sure if we are meaning the same thing. I'm making a guess about how much the North Coast area can generate if developed slowly, sytematically and properly with a view to ecology. With income for folks spread about more equitably than vast sums going to the ususal suspects and government hacks. Blasting and drilling is a real destructive process. Not to mention the increased pressure the area will come under from more human presence. My opinon is not well formed because I don't have a lot of information to go on, but familiarity with we backward arse copycyat tendencies, love of 'big shot' way of doing things, and Jack's gunslinger ways make me believe it will be just another destructive, overdone disaster in the making.

people locally don't know how to manage the country and preserve our forests and wildlife, the north coast can be one of the best tourist spots in the caribbean but the dunces back home have no idea how to go about it in the right way and preserve nature

too many destructive and selfish minds are in power at home, too many for any meaningful development to occur.
Title: Re: Jack: I’ll get money for tunnel.
Post by: Controversial on October 09, 2011, 03:38:55 PM
Of course the long term impact on the Northern coastal ecosystem, with revenue generating potential in the TT$100,000,000s will not be considered.

FIFA money dry up so Jack need another source of income.

The good minister must be already set all the neccessary shell companies, kickbacks, untendered contracts and inflated project costs and  other assorted scams.

100,000,000 is joke, they looking to make 1,000,000,000 minimum

I'm not sure if we are meaning the same thing. I'm making a guess about how much the North Coast area can generate if developed slowly, sytematically and properly with a view to ecology. With income for folks spread about more equitably than vast sums going to the ususal suspects and government hacks. Blasting and drilling is a real destructive process. Not to mention the increased pressure the area will come under from more human presence. My opinon is not well formed because I don't have a lot of information to go on, but familiarity with we backward arse copycyat tendencies, love of 'big shot' way of doing things, and Jack's gunslinger ways make me believe it will be just another destructive, overdone disaster in the making.

T&T, the land of calypso, steelpan & STEALING
Title: Re: Jack: I’ll get money for tunnel.
Post by: Football supporter on October 10, 2011, 12:28:04 AM
I think this tunnel is essential. After all, theres enough forest up there to grow millions of ganja trees and without adequate road access, exporting this crop overseas will be a nightmare.
Title: Re: Jack: I’ll get money for tunnel.
Post by: Sam on October 11, 2011, 09:41:53 AM
Why not build a above the ground train track instead, like we have them here in NY ?

That tunnel is a disaster waiting to happen, if I know Jack he will look for the cheapest contractor and pocket de change and next thing yuh know every ass capside and cave in....

A train track from Sando to Grand Bazzar (with stops along de way), then from GB one heading to de Aiprort and one heading to downtown Port of Spain.

I backed Patrick Manning for this, until asshole Jack Warner came and change everything, all de money Manning pay for blue print go down de drain.

A above de ground track could go along de highway.
Title: Re: Jack: I’ll get money for tunnel.
Post by: Jumbie on October 11, 2011, 10:07:31 AM
Zando... it it safe to use these words in the same sentence?
 
preserve -forests -wildlife and tourist


Title: Re: Jack: I’ll get money for tunnel.
Post by: Controversial on October 11, 2011, 11:23:44 AM
I think this tunnel is essential. After all, theres enough forest up there to grow millions of ganja trees and without adequate road access, exporting this crop overseas will be a nightmare.

probably cover for an underground facility for the govt and their backers, i could be wrong but the cost and timing is impeccable
Title: Re: Jack: I’ll get money for tunnel.
Post by: ZANDOLIE on October 11, 2011, 01:32:37 PM
Zando... it it safe to use these words in the same sentence?
 
preserve -forests -wildlife and tourist




lol, some people find it scary. we lucky to be blessed with these riches. if we take an interest then its more difficult for men like warner to trample all over it. quite a few ecotourism ventures back home now
Title: Re: Jack: I’ll get money for tunnel.
Post by: Deeks on October 11, 2011, 05:37:53 PM
The dams in Central are important. Control flooding and farmers should be able to get water in extended dry season. As for the tunnel......................

I still think the Rapid rail, East West and North south,  is vastly more important to the whole TT than those who appear to have tunnel vision.
Title: Rough year for Jack.
Post by: Flex on December 26, 2011, 07:27:40 AM
Rough year for Jack.

By Political Editor Ria Taitt continues her year-end review of the state of politics in 2011. Part 1 was.

THE firing of a minister by the Prime Minister is always a big deal. By the time she celebrated her first year in office, Persad-Bissessar had already fired one minister.

Mary King, Planning, Economic and Social Restructuring Minister, was fired in mid-May after the Attorney General found that she acted improperly by failing to declare her interests in a matter involving a $100,000 contract award to her family's company Ixanos to develop a website for the Planning Ministry.

The firing came after a Sunday Express exclusive report on the issue. King, who described her dismissal as undemocratic, was replaced by former NAR minister and former UWI principal, Dr Bhoe Tewarie.

By June, however, Health Minister Therese Baptiste-Cornelis, Public Administration Minister Nan Ramgoolam and Minister in the Ministry of National Security Subhas Panday were also out. Baptiste-Cornelis and Ramgoolam were offered and accepted postings overseas.

In the reshuffle, Energy Minister Carolyn Seepersad-Bachan was moved to Public Administration. She did not take kindly to this, and expressed her disaffection publicly. Seepersad-Bachan said that her first choice was to reject the appointment, but she only accepted at the urging of the Congress of Congress executive. Entering the Cabinet were social activist Verna St Rose-Greaves and former GOPIO president Devant Maharaj.

But the reshuffle was unusual in one particular respect. Persad-Bissessar broke with tradition and held consultations with her Ministers before announcing the reshuffle. "I listen first, then I lead. You cannot have a team of people committed and willing to work and just let them read in the newspapers what is happening. We cannot continue to operate in the same autocratic, dictatorial way," she said, explaining her decision.

WARNER'S TROUBLES

The most talked-about aspect of the Cabinet reshuffle was the stripping of Jack Warner's portfolio from Works and Transport to Works. In the year 2011 Warner faced an  apparently never-ending series of what some saw as deathly body blows. Warner, who was highly  instrumental in Persad-Bissessar becoming political leader and then Prime Minister, was dubbed the king maker on election night  and in his address sounded every inch the powerhouse he then was. 

When Opposition Leader Keith Rowley raised concerns about the morality issues involved in his simultaneously holding two portfolios – Minister of Government and FIFA boss – the Prime Minister and Attorney General rose to Warner's defence and their arguments were buttressed by the opinions  of eminent senior counsel hired by AG Anand Ramlogan.

Warner became the "can-do" Minister. Some say that his ministerial style of intervening in every matter, whether it related to his portfolio or not, made him popular with the masses but alienated many of his ministerial colleagues.

What was cited as an asset in 2010- his FIFA connections- eventually became a liability in 2011 - as allegations arising out of an investigation damaged him tremendously.

Warner found himself at the centre of bribery allegations. The charge is that, on Warner's invitation, then-presidential hopeful Mohamed bin Hammam met with 25 Caribbean football leaders at the Hyatt and offered each of them US$40,000 in exchange for their votes in the FIFA presidential election.

Both Warner and bin Hammam declared their innocence but Warner chose to resign as vice-president of FIFA rather than subject himself to the investigative process of that body. And bin Hammam dropped out of the presidential race.

The Congress of the People, the coalition partner (which had earlier called for the resignation of its own member Mary King,)  called on Warner to step aside pending the outcome of FIFA investigations.

By the end of the year, Warner had not stepped aside and the local chapter of Transparency International, commenting on Trinidad and Tobago's "precipitous drop" in the Corruption Perception Index ranking from 73 to 91 out of 183 states, opined that Warner's continued presence in the Cabinet had possibly contributed to T&T sinking to its lowest-ever level in the corruption index. 

In response, Warner charged that there was a plan afoot to destroy him and the conspirators included his Cabinet colleagues, members of the Opposition and university students paid to post derogatory blogs.

"There seems to be a 'get Jack Warner mission' that will not succeed," he said.

"In the UNC there are other guys who do other things, I hope not of course being paid but doing other things (to destroy me)," he said.

The year 2011 also saw Warner threatening to resign if he were not provided with funds to enable him to repair roads in South Trinidad.

Warner had met with angry Point Fortin residents who had blocked all the roads in and out of the borough, in order to protest the state of the roads.

He promised them he would have the roads repaired in two weeks, bringing an end to their protest. He eventually got the funds. This was in addition to his repeated complaints about not getting money for the construction of the Point Fortin Highway.

Much was also made about the Cabinet decision to establish an Interministerial Committee to ensure proper oversight and accountability of the $7.2 billion Point Fortin Highway project, which falls under Warner's purview.

But Warner said he had no problem with it. "I am not the least bit fazed or concerned...I don't care if they appoint one committee or ten. My only concern is that the highway is delivered within time and within budget," he said.

But the Minister definitely appeared fazed by the decision to reverse a Cabinet decision that had been taken with respect to the Programme for Upgrading Roads Efficiency (PURE).

The note, which sought to extend the employment contracts of engineers at PURE, had been approved while Persad-Bissessar was in Australia attending the Commonwealth Heads of Government conference.

But on her return she rescinded the note. Warner, who said the decision was taken during his absence from a Cabinet meeting, lamented that no one told him anything and he therefore could not give the PURE employees any assurances. 

Warner's political power had already been seriously impaired through his conflict with the apparently untouchable  Caribbean Airlines chairman, George Nicholas. Warner came out the definite loser in that titanic struggle and many believe it was this conflict that led to his losing the transport portion of his original portfolio in the Cabinet reshuffle.

Warner's decline in power has been accompanied, on the other hand, by the rise of others such as Roodal Moonilal, the PM's heir apparent; Suruj Rambachan, who some three years ago Warner had helped to throw out as Mayor of Chaguanas, and Attorney General Anand Ramlogan.

NP-Gopaul affair

Questions had been raised whether Seepersad-Bachan's removal from the Energy Ministry was triggered by her handling of the NP-Gopaul controversy. This controversy  involved a $40 million contract award by National Petroleum where one of the companies bidding for the contract was  a company owned by an individual whose private residence had been used by the Prime Minister.

The Prime Minister's friendship with the Gopauls came under heavy scrutiny as it was revealed that Gopaul and Co Ltd was selected for the  contract.

The Prime Minister said she did not know if Gopaul and Co had bid for the project since such awards did not come to the Cabinet.

Later on she said she understood that company had won the bid. Five of the 14 companies that submitted bids scored overall higher marks than Gopaul and Co and one company which received an overall score of 52 points, the same as Gopaul, was issued a fail grade by the five-member bid evaluation team, a Sunday Express investigation revealed.

As questions of integrity arose, the Attorney General hired four senior counsel who found that on the issue of whether the use of the Gopaul's residence consti-
Title: Jack: Highway on target
Post by: Flex on January 31, 2012, 04:29:05 AM
Jack: Highway on target
By Clint Chan Tack (Newsday)
Monday, January 30 2012


WORKS and Infrastructure Minister Jack Warner on Friday advised the House of Representatives that the extension of the Solomon Hochoy Highway from Golconda to Point Fortin is on target. Speaking in the House of Representatives, Warner reminded MPs that Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar turned the sod for this project on January 25, 2011.

“Today I am pleased to announce that one year later, we are on target with this project which is scheduled to end in April 2015,” he declared.

Warner said while many persons have described the extension as “a highway to nowhere” and Government had not consulted with the people on this project, “this is far from the truth.”

“In fact, long before this Government came into office, as far back as January 2006, consultations started,” he said. Saying the last consultation with residents took place earlier this month at the Debe High School, Warner said the National Infrastructure Development Company (Nidco) has opened an office in Debe “so people affected by the highway do not have to go to Port-of-Spain to get information.” Noting concerns raised by residents of Diamond Village that work-related vibrations from the project were adversely affecting them, Warner announced that on Tuesday a geo-technical company hired by Nidco will investigate the matter. He said these investigations will be completed in one week and “the final report will advise on the necessary actions to be taken thereafter.”

Warner stressed Government is committed to ensuring “minimal impact on the environment.” “We are ensuring there is proper planning on the project.” Reminding MPs that $2 billion of the $7.2 billion cost of the project is for land acquisition, Warner reiterated that Government will adequately compensate persons and communities which have to be relocated because of the highway extension. Saying 300 households from Debe to Mon Desir have to be relocated to make way for the highway, Warner said land has been acquired in Petit Morne for these residents to rebuild their community.

While Point Fortin MP Paula Gopee-Scoon questioned Warner as to whether relocated residents would be properly compensated, Warner replied, “I wish to reiterate for those persons who have sticks in their ears and don’t want to listen that this Government is committed to ensuring that persons who have to be relocated are properly compensated for their property.”
Title: Re: Jack: Highway on target
Post by: fishs on January 31, 2012, 07:36:29 AM
If they had build that highway years ago I woulda spend less time in Point and wouldna be marrid now. :cursing: >:(
Title: Re: Jack: Highway on target
Post by: Deeks on January 31, 2012, 05:51:15 PM
Anybody have pix to verify jack?
Title: Jack: Till death do us part, Kamla.
Post by: Flex on March 01, 2012, 04:28:03 AM
Jack: Till death do us part, Kamla
By Richardson Dhalai Thursday, March 1 2012
T&T Newsday


Comparing his relationship to the ruling People’s Partnership administration to that of a marriage, Works and Infrastructure Minister Jack Warner has vowed that only death would separate him from Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar and the coalition government.

Addressing hundreds of cheering supporters at the Partnership’s first mobilisation meeting at the Couva South Auditorium, Camden Road, Couva on Tuesday night in support of the Prime Minister who is facing a vote of no confidence in Parliament tomorrow, Warner said he, like all the other Partnership members “stand together” with the Prime Minister.

“The Prime Minister and I have fought many battles together; together we have faced many common enemies and in spite of all these challenges and adversaries, on each occasion when we stood together we were victorious,” he said.

“I say to you that today it will be no different because the focus is the same. We shall not be defeated for together we are one. We have nothing to fear,” he added.

He said while their detractors had attempted to generate “kutchoor” between himself and the Partnership administration said he was in “one accord” with the coalition.

“At the end of the day, I say to Kamla Persad-Bissessar and the People’s Partnership, till death do us part. Madam Prime Minister,” he said, adding, “I stand with you in one accord because we are not separated in interest or divided in purpose. I stand with the Prime Minister to the very end.

“We stood together for 22 months without any visable shread of dismantling. If we disagree, we could disagree but always we must be agreeable. I shall be here through thick and thin in good days and bad days,” Warner added. The Partnership held the first of three meetings to mobilise public support ahead of tomorrow’s debate in Parliament on a no confidence motion filed against the Prime Minister by Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley.

Leaders of the coalition parties that make up the Partnership also said they stood by the Prime Minister. Movement for Social Justice (MSJ) political leader, David Abdullah, a Government senator, described Rowley as “one of the most boldfaced” persons in the country for tabling the no confidence motion.

“He is moving a motion of no confidence in the Prime Minister but forgot to look at himself in the mirror and ask himself who has confidence in me,” Abdullah said.

The MSJ leader also reminded supporters that the five-party coalition government had inherited an “unholy mess” from the previous PNM administration saying “a lot of work has been done to clean up the unholy mess”. Tobago Organisation of the People (TOP) leader, Ashworth Jack, declared that only Persad-Bissessar could get him to leave Tobago on Tuesday, the same day that he had attended the funeral of a close friend. But then he reminded that it was under a PP administration that the Tobago airport was opened until 2 am enabling travellers to leave or arrive on the island at later hours.

COP political leader, Prakash Ramadhar, who received a standing ovation on his entry into the auditorium, declared the motion could be easily defeated by the ruling coalition.

Prime Minister: I’ll get PNM votes
Thursday, March 1 2012
T&T Newsday


Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar says she may pick up a few PNM votes in her favour when the House of Representatives debates a no confidence motion in her administration which has been filed by Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley.

Rowley, she declared, may get the surprise of his life when his motion is defeated with help from his own benches in Parliament tomorrow, Persad-Bissessar teased, during a public meeting at the Couva South Auditorium, Camden Road, Couva on Tuesday night.

The meeting was the first of three held to garner public support for the Prime Minister.

“I want to say to Mr (Keith) Rowley that on Friday in addition to the 29 votes of the People’s Partnership MPs, that you will get some surprise votes coming in favour and against your motion and in confidence in the Government,” Persad-Bissessar told hundreds of supporters who crammed the auditorium and spilled over into the nearby recreation ground.

“For those who seek to spread propaganda, that will backfire upon you. There is another old saying, ‘When you dig a hole for somebody else, be careful, you may fall in that hole’,” Persad-Bissessar said, adding that she did not fear what Rowley had to say during the debate.

She said PNM bloggers were questioning why Rowley was giving the coalition government an opportunity to trumpet its achievements before the UNC’s internal elections.

“There is dissension in the PNM camp about the no confidence. Even around this issue there is division, they have a right not to support it. It is frivolous and vexatious,” she repeated.

“His predecessor (former prime minister Patrick Manning) described him as a raging bull. These are the words of his former leader. This is the leader of the Opposition who cannot even get his MPs to follow his instructions and when you have a leader who cannot get the members of his bench to follow instruction you know they are divided,” she said.

Persad-Bissessar launched a scathing attack on Rowley noting that while a member of the previous PNM administration he had not questioned the “squandermania” of an estimated $200 billion, and added, “He does not have the credibility, no credibility whatsoever, to tell me that my Government is not performing.”

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Love you forever: Works and Infrastructure Minister Jack Warner hugs Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar, after declaring his undying support for her, during the People's Partnership meeting in Couva on Tuesday night. ...Author: ANIL RAMPERSAD
Title: Re: Jack: Till death do us part, Kamla.
Post by: vb on March 01, 2012, 05:54:37 AM
Lick dat ass Jack. Lick it good.

VB
Title: Re: Jack: Till death do us part, Kamla.
Post by: sammy on March 01, 2012, 07:10:13 AM
i feel he cud still join with the pnm
Title: Re: Jack: Till death do us part, Kamla.
Post by: truetrini on March 01, 2012, 07:30:42 AM
i feel he cud still join with the pnm

you on crack..if yuh mean join with dem in de vote of no confidence it more likely that someone else will vote with the PNM and dey go stick it on Jackula.
Title: Re: Jack: Till death do us part, Kamla.
Post by: Jah Gol on March 01, 2012, 07:52:30 AM


Leaders of the coalition parties that make up the Partnership also said they stood by the Prime Minister. Movement for Social Justice (MSJ) political leader, David Abdullah, a Government senator, described Rowley as “one of the most boldfaced” persons in the country for tabling the no confidence motion.

“He is moving a motion of no confidence in the Prime Minister but forgot to look at himself in the mirror and ask himself who has confidence in me,” Abdullah said.
It was quite clear that the government's strategy was always going to be to attack Keith Rowley's personality rather than deal with the substantive issues addressed in the motion. I was not surprised that the COP has agreed to toe the line because they have demonstrated the extent of their political mettle already but the fact that Abdullah has joined this unjust assault is a further indictment on the P.P. and its constituent parts. He's lost all credibility.
Title: Re: Jack: Till death do us part, Kamla.
Post by: truetrini on March 01, 2012, 09:04:14 AM


Leaders of the coalition parties that make up the Partnership also said they stood by the Prime Minister. Movement for Social Justice (MSJ) political leader, David Abdullah, a Government senator, described Rowley as “one of the most boldfaced” persons in the country for tabling the no confidence motion.

“He is moving a motion of no confidence in the Prime Minister but forgot to look at himself in the mirror and ask himself who has confidence in me,” Abdullah said.
It was quite clear that the government's strategy was always going to be to attack Keith Rowley's personality rather than deal with the substantive issues addressed in the motion. I was not surprised that the COP has agreed to toe the line because they have demonstrated the extent of their political mettle already but the fact that Abdullah has joined this unjust assault is a further indictment on the P.P. and its constituent parts. He's lost all credibility.

Jahgol, I cannot agree with you more.  I borrowing this!
Title: Re: Jack: Till death do us part, Kamla.
Post by: Jah Gol on March 01, 2012, 09:34:08 AM


Jahgol, I cannot agree with you more.  I borrowing this!
you big up
Title: Re: Jack: Till death do us part, Kamla.
Post by: Bakes on March 01, 2012, 12:07:42 PM
Any PNM member who votes in support of Kamla need to have their party card revoked.
Title: Re: Jack: Till death do us part, Kamla.
Post by: truetrini on March 01, 2012, 12:41:59 PM
Any PNM member who votes in support of Kamla need to have their party card revoked.

I agree but how will you know who did?  The vote is in secret.
Title: Re: Jack: Till death do us part, Kamla.
Post by: fishs on March 01, 2012, 12:47:14 PM

 The Jack tief in Haiti is the straw that broke the camel's back.
Children dying from cholera, thousands still living in tents and you teif the people money and this Government see nothing in that, this is an unbridled association of thieves and rapers. In less than 2 yrs they erode goodwill to the point where we in the depths of hell.
Kamla gone to the Commonwealth meeting in Australia and sooo drunk she could barely finish her speech and the whole CW laughing at her.
Title: Re: Jack: Till death do us part, Kamla.
Post by: pardners on March 01, 2012, 12:53:09 PM


Leaders of the coalition parties that make up the Partnership also said they stood by the Prime Minister. Movement for Social Justice (MSJ) political leader, David Abdullah, a Government senator, described Rowley as “one of the most boldfaced” persons in the country for tabling the no confidence motion.

“He is moving a motion of no confidence in the Prime Minister but forgot to look at himself in the mirror and ask himself who has confidence in me,” Abdullah said.
It was quite clear that the government's strategy was always going to be to attack Keith Rowley's personality rather than deal with the substantive issues addressed in the motion. I was not surprised that the COP has agreed to toe the line because they have demonstrated the extent of their political mettle already but the fact that Abdullah has joined this unjust assault is a further indictment on the P.P. and its constituent parts. He's lost all credibility.

My question is whether that two-tongue so and so ever had any credibility at all.  He should be ashamed to come to play he representing the working class and stabbing them in they back with he cabal.
Title: Re: Jack: Till death do us part, Kamla.
Post by: pardners on March 01, 2012, 12:55:26 PM
Any PNM member who votes in support of Kamla need to have their party card revoked.

I agree but how will you know who did?  The vote is in secret.

I not sure if the voting on this particular motion is done in secret, but normally when they voting in parliament it does be a open thing.  The speaker asks each person individually "how do you vote?" and they does answer "yes", "no" or "abstain".
Title: Re: Jack: Till death do us part, Kamla.
Post by: weary1969 on March 01, 2012, 01:01:25 PM

 The Jack tief in Haiti is the straw that broke the camel's back.
Children dying from cholera, thousands still living in tents and you teif the people money and this Government see nothing in that, this is an unbridled association of thieves and rapers. In less than 2 yrs they erode goodwill to the point where we in the depths of hell.
Kamla gone to the Commonwealth meeting in Australia and sooo drunk she could barely finish her speech and the whole CW laughing at her.


U know what sad is dat Stevie Wonder could have seen this. But all yuh did hate Patos so much. So hug up d drunk.
Title: Re: Jack: Till death do us part, Kamla.
Post by: Jumbie on March 01, 2012, 01:32:40 PM
Does the people of Trinidad and Tobago have a credible option? And don't say PNM, cause that party in a bigger mess.. is only because they're not in power that it's not highlighted.

Kamla let down the people (no question about that). She was never prime minister material from day 1. And rather than build and streamline some of the good things the previous gov't had in place, they went on a scrapping spree.. yea and blame the pnm campaign.

the political situation in trinbago (both sides) in a bigger mess than security/crime.



Title: Re: Jack: Till death do us part, Kamla.
Post by: truetrini on March 01, 2012, 02:01:22 PM
yeah allyuh right..all votes in parliament are yeah or nay votes so nutten hidden.
Title: Re: Jack: Till death do us part, Kamla.
Post by: weary1969 on March 01, 2012, 07:02:09 PM
Does the people of Trinidad and Tobago have a credible option? And don't say PNM, cause that party in a bigger mess.. is only because they're not in power that it's not highlighted.

Kamla let down the people (no question about that). She was never prime minister material from day 1. And rather than build and streamline some of the good things the previous gov't had in place, they went on a scrapping spree.. yea and blame the pnm campaign.

the political situation in trinbago (both sides) in a bigger mess than security/crime.





NO but I surprise 2 hear PNM did good. I thought all dey did was build tall buildings and held summits.
Title: Re: Jack: Till death do us part, Kamla.
Post by: fishs on March 01, 2012, 11:45:18 PM

 The Jack tief in Haiti is the straw that broke the camel's back.
Children dying from cholera, thousands still living in tents and you teif the people money and this Government see nothing in that, this is an unbridled association of thieves and rapers. In less than 2 yrs they erode goodwill to the point where we in the depths of hell.
Kamla gone to the Commonwealth meeting in Australia and sooo drunk she could barely finish her speech and the whole CW laughing at her.


U know what sad is dat Stevie Wonder could have seen this. But all yuh did hate Patos so much. So hug up d drunk.

Patos was just going mad and had to be removed, just like how these will also be removed.
Title: Re: Jack: Till death do us part, Kamla.
Post by: Jumbie on March 02, 2012, 06:39:30 AM
Does the people of Trinidad and Tobago have a credible option? And don't say PNM, cause that party in a bigger mess.. is only because they're not in power that it's not highlighted.

Kamla let down the people (no question about that). She was never prime minister material from day 1. And rather than build and streamline some of the good things the previous gov't had in place, they went on a scrapping spree.. yea and blame the pnm campaign.

the political situation in trinbago (both sides) in a bigger mess than security/crime.





NO but I surprise 2 hear PNM did good. I thought all dey did was build tall buildings and held summits.

what were the benefits of that summit again? Pic with Mr Obama and Mr Lara playing shadow cricket?

biggest waste of tax payers money in the history of Trinidad and Tobago IMHO. Speaking bout Mr Lara, them manicou and gozey rat still training at his one of a kind cricketing facility off the highway down south?

Title: Re: Jack: Till death do us part, Kamla.
Post by: weary1969 on March 02, 2012, 11:53:47 AM
Does the people of Trinidad and Tobago have a credible option? And don't say PNM, cause that party in a bigger mess.. is only because they're not in power that it's not highlighted.

Kamla let down the people (no question about that). She was never prime minister material from day 1. And rather than build and streamline some of the good things the previous gov't had in place, they went on a scrapping spree.. yea and blame the pnm campaign.

the political situation in trinbago (both sides) in a bigger mess than security/crime.





NO but I surprise 2 hear PNM did good. I thought all dey did was build tall buildings and held summits.

what were the benefits of that summit again? Pic with Mr Obama and Mr Lara playing shadow cricket?

biggest waste of tax payers money in the history of Trinidad and Tobago IMHO. Speaking bout Mr Lara, them manicou and gozey rat still training at his one of a kind cricketing facility off the highway down south?



I am just surprise 2 learn dat d PNM did good because I only heard bout tall buildings and summit.

 The Jack tief in Haiti is the straw that broke the camel's back.
Children dying from cholera, thousands still living in tents and you teif the people money and this Government see nothing in that, this is an unbridled association of thieves and rapers. In less than 2 yrs they erode goodwill to the point where we in the depths of hell.
Kamla gone to the Commonwealth meeting in Australia and sooo drunk she could barely finish her speech and the whole CW laughing at her.


U know what sad is dat Stevie Wonder could have seen this. But all yuh did hate Patos so much. So hug up d drunk.

Patos was just going mad and had to be removed, just like how these will also be removed.

Well mad as d Project Manager was d country was bein runned. But dis set ah mad peeps eh doin squat so I will take Patos set ah madness any day of d week.
Title: Warner writes CoP on FB
Post by: Flex on March 10, 2012, 02:57:28 AM
Warner writes CoP on FB
T&T Newsday Reports.


WORKS and Infrastructure Minister and UNC chairman Jack Warner yesterday distanced himself from a page on social networking site Facebook (FB) created by a person claiming to be ‘Jack Austin Warner’ and in which material and photos were used which Warner said are “highly offensive to me.”

The page which includes a graphics-enhanced photo of Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar was made at 11 pm on Thursday March 8, 2012.

In a statement yesterday afternoon, Warner who is also the Member of Parliament for Chaguanas West expressed his dissatisfaction and surprise about the FB site, “created in my name without my knowledge and authorisation and which contains material that is extremely abusive and highly offensive to me.”

Warner said while he respects the right of individuals to hold and express opinions using various forms of media, any use of his name and image should first have his approval. “In this regard, I have officially written to Facebook requesting that this ‘Jack Warner’ site be immediately removed. I have also written the Police Commissioner, Dr Dwayne Gibbs, requesting an investigation be launched to determine the creators/administrators of this site with a view (to) initiating criminal proceedings if necessary,” Warner said.

That’s not all. Warner’s lawyer Om Lalla has been instructed to review the contents of the FB page to determine wether the social networking site, “or any other person”, can be held culpable for libel and to take the appropriate legal action against such persons or organisations.

The page elicited comments both in support of its content and also opposed to it. A male commentator on the page, replying to a post, stated: “I am all for jokes. This one is not so much (a joke). But you all using the man’s (Warner) name bold, bold! You all have court cloths...”

In his statement yesterday, Warner noted he had made several attempts to determine who created and/or administers this FB page, “especially since it facilitates the maligning of my colleagues and the distribution of propaganda and content which seem determined to tarnish the character of many persons within the People’s Partnership Government; a government to which I belong.”
Title: Re: Warner writes CoP on FB
Post by: Bakes on March 10, 2012, 12:06:09 PM
More free money fuh Lalla...
Title: Re: Warner writes CoP on FB
Post by: asylumseeker on March 10, 2012, 03:35:37 PM
More free money fuh Lalla...

More or less, ent.
Title: Re: Warner writes CoP on FB
Post by: truetrini on March 10, 2012, 04:02:25 PM
Since when telling the truth is propaganda?
Title: Re: Warner writes CoP on FB
Post by: Bakes on March 10, 2012, 05:12:07 PM
More free money fuh Lalla...

More or less, ent.

The biggest problem with the legal profession is that there aren't enough schupid clients.
Title: Re: Warner writes CoP on FB
Post by: Brownsugar on March 10, 2012, 05:25:13 PM
Why he write the CoP to investigate where the $180 million gone??  oh wait.....
Title: Re: Warner writes CoP on FB
Post by: E-man on March 10, 2012, 06:05:29 PM
https://www.facebook.com/jackwarner01

Title: Re: Warner writes CoP on FB
Post by: weary1969 on March 10, 2012, 06:55:58 PM
https://www.facebook.com/jackwarner01

 

I only read d 1st post and I  :rotfl: Thanks Eman best laugh of d day.
Title: Re: Warner writes CoP on FB
Post by: E-man on March 10, 2012, 07:08:30 PM
https://www.facebook.com/jackwarner01

 

I only read d 1st post and I  :rotfl: Thanks Eman best laugh of d day.

The funny thing is he's getting himself in a bunch over that one post. The rest of the profile is completely normal and innocuous
If someone really wanted parody his profile there'd be way more stuff they could post.
Remember those Patrick Manning blogs?
Title: Re: Warner writes CoP on FB
Post by: Bakes on March 10, 2012, 08:34:57 PM
Was just going to say... I checked it out earlier when you posted the link and it's pretty harmless outside of that.  In fact, so harmless that plenty folks apparently get tie up and praising him, asking for help etc... as though he were the real item.
Title: Re: Warner writes CoP on FB
Post by: asylumseeker on March 11, 2012, 08:51:25 AM
More free money fuh Lalla...

More or less, ent.

The biggest problem with the legal profession is that there aren't enough schupid clients.

To include deep pockets with fragile egos.
Title: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Socapro on June 22, 2012, 08:59:17 PM
Lord help Trinidad & Tobago!!
Don't this PP government care about the country's international image?
Well I guess not!

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/-JACK-NEW-MINISTER-OF-NATIONAL-SECURITY-160087125.html

Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
By Richard Charan
Story Created: Jun 22, 2012 at 9:36 PM ECT


Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar tonight announced her administration’s second reshuffle, firing two Ministers, demoting others, and creating several new ministries.

The announcement was made shortly before 8 p.m during a live televised address to the nation, and with most of her ministers in attendance at the Diplomatic Centre, St Ann’s, Port of Spain.

Among the major changes -

Jack Warner is the new Minister of National Security.

Brigadier John Sandy has been fired.

So too has the Minister of Youth, Child Development and Gender Affairs Verna St Rose Greaves.

She has been replaced by San Fernando Mayor, and deputy Political Leader of the United National Congress Marlene Coudray, who was absent. She was said to be at her home in Ste Madeleine, mourning the murder of her daughter in Jamaica and preparing for a memorial service in San Fernando this weekend.

Ganga Singh has also returned to Government, being appointed to the position of Minister of the Environment and Water Resources.

Also created is the Ministry of National Diversity and Social Integration, headed by Minister Clifton de Coteau and Minister in the Ministry, Embau Moheni.

Winston Dookeran has lost the Finance Ministry to banker Larry Howai.

Dookeran has been appointed the new Foreign Affairs Minister, replacing Dr Suruj Rambachan who has been appointed Local Government Minister.

Vernella Alleyne-Toppin has been demoted from her post of Tobago Development Minister, and has been placed as a Minister in the Ministry of the People and Social Development.

Chairman of the Congress of the People (COP) Barataria/San Juan and temporary Government Senator Jamal Mohammed, the nephew of former People’s National Movement Minister Kamalludin Mohammed, has been placed in charge of the new Ministry of Communications.

There was no word on what has become of Nicole Dyer-Griffith, who was a Parliamentary Secretary in the now split Minister of Foreign Affairs and Communications.

Dr Lincoln Douglas (MP for Lopinot/Bon Air West) and Nela Khan (MP for Princes Town) have been promoted. Douglas is the new Minister of Arts and Multiculturalism Minister, replacing Winston Peters, and Khan has been named to the post of Deputy Speaker.

Within minutes of the Prime Minister’s announcement, Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley issued a statement criticising the appointment of Warner to the National Security Ministry.

He said that the appointment “should be a matter of concern for all the right-thinking citizens of Trinidad and Tobago. It is public knowledge that in the conduct of his private affairs in the various FIFA scandals he has found it necessary to engage in unseemly and embarrassing verbal wars with offices of the United Kingdom and the United States of America. These are not only our two major international partners, but their enthusiastic cooperation in the fight against the international drug trade is absolutely essential to succeed in our fight against crime. The Prime Minister's choice of Mr. Warner for this particular post borders on irresponsibility and once again confirms her misguided view that Trinidad and Tobago's international image counts for nothing”.

The new configuration is as follows:-

Minister of National Security Jack Warner
Minister of Finance and the Economy Larry Howai
Minister of Foreign Affairs Winston Dookeran
Minister of Gender, Youth and Child Development Marlene Coudray
Minister of Works and Infrastructure Emmanuel George
Minister of Transport Chandresh Sharma
Minister of Local Government Suruj Rambachan
Minister of Public Utilities Nizam Baksh
Minister of Arts and Multi-Culturalism Lincoln Douglas
Minister of Tobago Development Delmon Baker
Minister of Science and Technology Rupert Griffith
Minister of Trade, Industry and Investment Vasant Bharath
Minister of the Environment and Water Resources Ganga Singh
Minister of Tourism Stephen Cadiz
Minister of Community Development Winston Peters
Minister of Food Production Devant Maharaj
Minister of Communication Jamal Mohammed
Minister of National Diversity and Social Integration Clifton De Couteau
Minister of State in the Ministry of Food Production Jairam Seemungal
Minister of State in the Ministry of Environment and
Water Resources Ramona Ramdial
Minister in the Ministry of National Diversity and Social Integration Embau Moheni
Minister in the Ministry of the People and
Social Development Vernella Alleyne-Toppin
Deputy Speaker of the Parliament Nela Khan
Minister of Health Dr Fuad Khan
Minister of Legal Affairs Prakash Ramadhar
Attorney General Anand Ramlogan
Minister of the People and Social Development Dr Glenn Ramadharsingh
Minister of Education DrTim Gopeesingh
Minister of Housing Dr Roodal Moonilal
Minister of Justice Herbert Volney
Minister of Public Administration Carolyn Seepersad-Bachan
Minister of Energy Kevin Ramnarine
Minister of Labour, Small and Micro Enterprise Development Errol McLeod
Minister of Sport Anil Roberts
Minister of Planning Bhoe Tewarie
Minister of Tertiary Education Fazal Karim
Minister of State in the Office of the Prime Minister Rodger Samuel
Minister in the Ministry of National Security Collin Partap
Minister in the Ministry of Local Government Rudranath Indarsingh
Minister in the Ministry of Works and Infrastructure Stacy Roopnarine

The following is the full text of the Prime Minister's address

Good evening fellow citizens.
On May 24th I signalled to the nation my intention to carry out a reconfiguration of the Cabinet. Since then I have met quietly with people from all sectors of society to gather views and opinions from the widest cross-section of the population as possible.

I have also interviewed and considered several candidates from within and outside of my Cabinet and evaluated several presentations. I have entertained discussions with the government’s strongest critics and most ardent supporters both of whom have helped provide me with broader perspectives. As someone once said, the best way to understand people is to listen to them. I have also sought wisdom and guidance through prayer and meditation.

There are new faces in the Cabinet and major shifts in responsibilities and portfolios as I sought to get the most out of the best fit possible. The changes made should not be seen for any one as an indictment on performance. Each member of my Cabinet has worked tirelessly in service to the nation and I am proud of their contribution. Our task was challenging from the very start.

The government was elected on the wings of huge expectations from a population that had already waited too long for far too much. We assumed office after a period of excessive spending that had not addressed critical social and people centered needs. The result was a depleted Treasury and a nation in urgent need of help in so many areas.

It became our greatest challenge to stabilise the economy while investing heavily in addressing these needs, from broadening the social assistance programmes, fixing the CLICO issue, settling some 36 wage negotiations and broadening the development of the country for the first time into areas that had been neglected for decades.

And we had to do it while protecting ourselves from the effects of a global economy that is reeling under the weight of a recession. But it is a rough road that leads to the heights of greatness.
We had the courage to take bold, new steps. Whether it was education, agriculture, crime, health, roads, the initiatives were strident and results driven. Against all odds we persevered and delivered much, always cognisant of the fact that we were elected for the very reasons that challenge us now as a government.

But as I see it, the government has two choices, we can pat ourselves on the back and say under the circumstances, “well done,” or we can look at all we did not achieve, we can choose instead to listen to those who are not satisfied, we can measure the way forward by looking at areas where we have gone wrong or not done enough, we can reassess approaches and strategies, improving upon everything in every way possible. We can choose to work harder, to do more, and to be urged on by the criticisms even as we are inspired by the congratulations.

The reconfiguration of my Cabinet will meet with reviews from all over and everyone will have their say one way or the other. I ask one thing of every consideration made and that is to acknowledge what change is possible from within us all.

It is there in the most iconic symbol of change there could be, an oil drum, hammered out into the only musical instrument in the world developed in the last century, the steelpan. Over the next few years Trinidad and Tobago will undergo a similar transformation borne out of the same ingenuity, creativity and innovativeness which our people have become so famous for.

It is time to reclaim that self-belief. Our nation enters a new phase of its development where talents and resources are harnessed from people across all boundaries. We are all in this together. It touches each of us so we are all part of the solutions which your government now leads. In every area of the nation’s development our citizenry has a role to play and a purpose to serve.

The changes which I am about to announce in the Cabinet must deliver a level of competence and performance for an impatient and expectant population. I have been very clear on what is required of each member of the new Cabinet.
In my discussions with these men and women who will now take us forward into another phase of our development, I reaffirmed the oath we all took in 2010 and of the promise we made to our people to serve the people with humility.

I urged then that“We must accept no mediocrity. Neither must we contribute to it in any way. There must be no room for arrogance. We must be faithful to a leadership style that is firm, but humble, passionate and impatient for great achievements, but ever conscious of the correct procedures.”

Those words are as relevant now as they were then. I recall them now as a renewal of our commitment to you.

There is no room for egosnor personal agendas. Every single appointment made by me has received the full support of those selected.

Fellow citizens, it is with great pride and honour that I announce your government’sperformance team:
Minister of National Security Jack Warner, M.P
Minister in the Ministry of National Security Collin Partap, M.P
Minister of Legal Affairs Prakash Ramadhar, M.P
Attorney General Senator AnandRamlogan
Minister of the People and Social Development Dr. Glenn Ramadharsingh, M.P
Minister in the Ministry of the People and Social Development VernellaAlleyne-Toppin, M.P
Minister of Education Dr. Tim Gopeesingh, M.P
Minister of Housing Dr. RoodalMoonilal, M.P
Minister of Gender, Youth and Child Development Marlene Coudray
Minister of Justice Herbert Volney, M.P
Minister of Public Administration Carolyn Seepersad-Bachan, M.P
Minister of Energy Senator Kevin Ramnarine
Minister of Labour& Small & Micro Enterprise Dev't Errol cLeod,M.P
Minister of Transport ChandreshSharma,M.P
Minister of Sport Anil Roberts, M.P
Minister of Planning Sen. Dr. BhoendradattTiwarie
Minister of Public Utilities NizamBaksh, M.P
Minister of Tobago Development Dr.Delmon Baker, M.P
Minister of Local Government Dr.SurujrattanRambachan,M.P
Minister in the Ministry of Local Government RudranathIndarsingh,M.P
Minister of Works and Infrastructure Sen. Emmanuel George
Minister in the Ministry of Works and Infrastructure Stacy Roopnarine,M.P
Minister of the Arts and Multiculturalism Dr. Lincoln Douglas,M.P
Minister of Health Dr.Fuad Khan M.P
Minister of State in the Office of the Prime Minister Rodger Samuel, M.P
Minister of Tertiary Education Senator FazalKarim
Minister of Tourism Stephen Cadiz,M.P
Minister of Community Development Winston Peters,M.P
Minister of Food Production Sen.DevantMaharaj
Minister of State in the Ministry of Food Production JairamSeemungal, MP
Minister of Science & Technology Dr.Rupert Griffith
Minister of Foreign Affairs Winston Dookeran, M.P
Minister of Trade, Industry & Investment Sen.VasantBharath
Minister of the Environment & Water Resources Ganga Singh
Minister of State in the Ministry of Environment & Water Resources Ramona Ramdial, M.P
Minister of National Diversity & Social Integration Clifton De Coteau
Minster in the Ministry of National Diversity & Social Integration Senator EmbauMoheni
Minister of Communication Jamal Mohammed
Minister of Finance & The Economy (with responsibility for Caribbean Airlines) Larry Howai
Deputy Speaker NelaKhan,M.P

Fellow citizens, the leadership team assembled here is reposed with the greatest of responsibility. Having reconfigured our Government, I expect now that we can continue, with greater impetus and determination to fulfill our promise to deliver our people and country to unprecedented development and progress.

As we move forward, we must outdo our own performance. We must lift our own benchmarks. We must surpass our own targets.

Let us all join together to become part of the effort to further this new beginning for our great nation.

May God bless you all and may God bless our nation.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Football supporter on June 22, 2012, 09:17:41 PM
I'm confused. 38 Ministers? How many M.P.s do they have? So is there any poorly performing PP MP who didn't get a Ministry? Is there only one criteria = you're a PP MP so you get a Ministry?

Why do we need all these Ministers? Is this just a way of paying MPs more money? I seem to recall that when PP were elected they kept MP salaries the same, or even reduced them? So opposition MPs lose out while every PP MP gets a Ministerial pay rise?

As a point of reference, the UK only has 21 Ministers in its Cabinet out of 362 Coalition MPs.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: weary1969 on June 22, 2012, 09:33:14 PM
We eh care bout we international image we vote he into gov't.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: ZANDOLIE on June 22, 2012, 09:37:05 PM
Madness! What is the rationale for the expansion from 28-38 Ministers.

Jack have this entire country in a deep stranglehold. Is he THAT smart, or is this how low our societal standards have become?
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Socapro on June 22, 2012, 09:49:31 PM
Anyone now still wants to doubt who was the biggest sponsor of the PP election campaign and where some of the players bonus money and missing Haiti earthquake relief funds that Jack was in control of went?
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: truetrini on June 23, 2012, 12:01:17 AM
This is not breaking news..Mirror buss this mark a while now and some was bad mouthing de best paper in T&T
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: mal jeux on June 23, 2012, 04:19:19 AM
Go to work Jack!

Wired868 like Viagra on steroids with the cocokstan they have now for mr warner.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: 1-868 on June 23, 2012, 05:09:40 AM
 :devil:
SATAN CORRECTING SIN
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Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: royal on June 23, 2012, 05:54:56 AM
ah certified tief in charge of crime........what ah shame
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: asylumseeker on June 23, 2012, 06:04:03 AM
Deficient statement by Rowley in response. Seemingly not the most considered response. Ah could hear Jack steupsing long and hard.

Beyond all ah that, from a prime ministerial perspective, this isn't exactly a silly move.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Trini _2026 on June 23, 2012, 07:39:15 AM
So why not move anil roberts
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Football supporter on June 23, 2012, 07:40:59 AM
Deficient statement by Rowley in response. Seemingly not the most considered response. Ah could hear Jack steupsing long and hard.

Beyond all ah that, from a prime ministerial perspective, this isn't exactly a silly move.

Hmmm, maybe, maybe not. But its still very irresponsible from T&Ts global perspective. And the timing is probably the worst possible. There are 300 journalists from across the globe in PoS for the IPA conference. This news could give all of then their best story this year. She could have at least wait until they had left.

And where does this extra money come from for the new Ministries? Its just a feeding frenzy.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Football supporter on June 23, 2012, 07:45:14 AM
So why not move anil roberts

I heard that now we have a Minister of Education and a Minister of Tertiary Education, Anil may be assisted by a Minister of Basketball, a Minister of Synchronised Swimming and a Minister in the Ministry of all Fours.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Football supporter on June 23, 2012, 07:54:53 AM
This is just jobs for the boys. So many positions duplicated.... Whats the difference between a Minister and a Minister of State? Who's responsible for what?

Minister of Food Production Devant Maharaj
Minister of State in the Ministry of Food Production Jairam Seemungal

Minister of State in the Ministry of Environment and Water Resources Ramona Ramdial
Minister of the Environment and Water Resources Ganga Singh

Minister in the Ministry of National Diversity and Social Integration Embau Moheni
Minister of National Diversity and Social Integration Clifton De Couteau
Minister of Community Development Winston Peters

Minister in the Ministry of the People and Social Development Vernella Alleyne-Toppin
Minister of the People and Social Development Dr Glenn Ramadharsingh

There's still one vacancy for a Ministry available....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-8FrqZ3EVE
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: weary1969 on June 23, 2012, 12:07:16 PM
This is just jobs for the boys. So many positions duplicated.... Whats the difference between a Minister and a Minister of State? Who's responsible for what?

Minister of Food Production Devant Maharaj
Minister of State in the Ministry of Food Production Jairam Seemungal

Minister of State in the Ministry of Environment and Water Resources Ramona Ramdial
Minister of the Environment and Water Resources Ganga Singh

Minister in the Ministry of National Diversity and Social Integration Embau Moheni
Minister of National Diversity and Social Integration Clifton De Couteau
Minister of Community Development Winston Peters

Minister in the Ministry of the People and Social Development Vernella Alleyne-Toppin
Minister of the People and Social Development Dr Glenn Ramadharsingh

There's still one vacancy for a Ministry available....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-8FrqZ3EVE

Minister in d Ministry is not a cabinet position.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: grimm01 on June 23, 2012, 03:37:35 PM
This brings to mind one of my favorite quotes:

"We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office"
Aesop
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: dinho on June 23, 2012, 03:40:57 PM
The best performing minister in the government given the most demanding role in government.

Seems like common sense to me.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Brownsugar on June 23, 2012, 04:29:53 PM
The best performing minister in the government given the most demanding role in government.

Seems like common sense to me.


 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Bourbon on June 23, 2012, 05:39:00 PM
Honestly I didnt think it would happen...given the fact that it eh easy...and is a bigger gamble for hero points.


But some of those hirings and firings....good lawd.


Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: D.H.W on June 23, 2012, 05:40:49 PM
Next election PP will need a miracle
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: mal jeux on June 23, 2012, 08:16:17 PM
Next election PP will need a miracle



 :rotfl:  :rotfl:  :rotfl:


Jack will be the next prime minister. Grin and bear it or join the festivities. The PNM is a mere shadow of a party, lacking a real leader.
Title: Re: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: D.H.W on June 23, 2012, 08:41:04 PM
Next election PP will need a miracle



 :rotfl:  :rotfl:  :rotfl:


Jack will be the next prime minister. Grin and bear it or join the festivities. The PNM is a mere shadow of a party, lacking a real leader.

People will vote for rat if it means getting rid of pp, Manning learn that hard way
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: lefty on June 23, 2012, 09:30:23 PM
and we put the state's bullies in d hands of a notorious bully........SMH
Title: Guess the Devil could correct sin after all - Jack coming with new crime plan!
Post by: Socapro on June 23, 2012, 09:54:29 PM
Maybe the first thing Jack should do is lock up himself if he is serious about cutting down on crime!  :rotfl:

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2012-06-24/jack-coming-new-crime-plan

Jack coming with new crime plan
... not in support of 21st century policing plan
Published: Sunday, June 24, 2012
SHASTRI BOODAN


National Security Minister Jack Warner has promised to crack down on crime and return Trinidad and Tobago to a level of normalcy, even if it means bringing back the flying squad and other measures that worked in the past. He said this yesterday in an interview at his Chaguanas West constituency office at Caroni Savannah Road, where over 300 people  had gathered to seek help.
 
Warner said he plans to issue a full statement tomorrow, following a meeting with key officials in the various arms of his new ministry. A new crime plan will be revealed in two to three weeks time, the Minister assured. Warner said his appointment signals the “dawn of a new era” as he hopes to institute a new level of morale in the protective service and a new level of respect for the law.
 
Warner said he was not in support of the 21st century police initiative, and had last month berated the police for the closure of the Caroni Police Station. Warner said it was a paradox that the government was building nine police stations while others are being closed.
 
He said he has no intention of supporting the closure of anymore police stations but will request more patrols, especially on the weekend when there is an upsurge in road accidents. Warner also suggested that plans for the nine police stations be modified to include additional space for fire stations.
 
‘It can’t be business as usual’
 He issued a warning to road users who break the law—especially people  who consume alcohol—that they would have to pay a heavy price. “It can’t be business as usual,” Warner said. Warner said he plans to give his full support to policemen who are in support of his crime-busting initiatives, which will be announced shortly, within the next two weeks to a month.
 
He said he plans to visit police stations at any hour and any time and even go on police raids from time to time. He said he would go to any length to ensure that lawmen get good and fair treatment. However, he warned lawmen who break the law and use their office to terrorise the community.
 
The new National Security Minister said it was only last Monday that people from Five Rivers complained about being terrorised by police. He said he intends to investigate the complaint this week. Warner also plans to set up a hotline in every division to receive complaints as he seeks to root out all bad apples out of the service.
 
He said it was time to go back to the basics to get crime under control, even if it means bringing back the flying squad and getting more social groups as the girl guides, scouts and cadets active in all schools. He has no intention of being under the guard of heavily armed police officers like National Security ministers of the past, and he wants to interact with the police and the public to get feedback. Warner said he plans to assist the police to clean up Chaguanas West.

Warner to rowley
My life has been a legacy of success. Warner said he has no intention of dignifying any statement made by Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley, since his life has been a legacy of success. “People will judge me by the success with which I have led my life. In every sphere of my life I have succeeded. Can Rowley say the same?” He thanked Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar for the confidence she had in him.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Bourbon on June 23, 2012, 10:43:54 PM
and we put the state's bullies in d hands of a notorious bully........SMH


You see that too ent?
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Bakes on June 23, 2012, 11:00:14 PM
Lol... I worse dan shame.  Thank de Lord Americans doh really follow football like dat.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Football supporter on June 24, 2012, 02:53:48 AM
The scary thing is that a lot of what he says makes sense. He has the persona to unite the country behind his ideas and galvanise the police force. The only other person I can think of who could do that is Ian Alleyne.

And that's a shocking indictment of the gullibility of the people of T&T. They are crying out for someone to lead them and there's no one else but Jack. But I will be very interested to see if he does impact on crime. Somehow, I think he will. And I definately believe he will improve road safety.

My life has been a legacy of success. Warner said he has no intention of dignifying any statement made by Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley, since his life has been a legacy of success. “People will judge me by the success with which I have led my life. In every sphere of my life I have succeeded.

The arrogance of this statement astounds me. What's worse is that he actually believes it and so will many of the electorate. Its certainly true that he reached positions of power, but the fact that his only real legacy is controversy and allegations of wrongdoing such concern the citizens, but strangely, seems to impress them instead.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Brownsugar on June 24, 2012, 06:43:42 AM
The scary thing is that a lot of what he says makes sense. He has the persona to unite the country behind his ideas and galvanise the police force. The only other person I can think of who could do that is Ian Alleyne.

Ian Alleyne and Jackula.....what a combination!!!.....imagine dais who we looking towards in our crime fight.  Two clowns.....aye I love this country...... :rotfl:   :rotfl:
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: mal jeux on June 24, 2012, 07:17:24 AM
The scary thing is that a lot of what he says makes sense. He has the persona to unite the country behind his ideas and galvanise the police force. The only other person I can think of who could do that is Ian Alleyne.

Ian Alleyne and Jackula.....what a combination!!!.....imagine dais who we looking towards in our crime fight.  Two clowns.....aye I love this country...... :rotfl:   :rotfl:

That's what happens when administration after administration (even ones who were given umpteen years) FAILED the people miserably. Still baffling that in such a small country (land mass and size of population) we can't get a handle on this. But so it goes when the "people" cannot follow simple rules like don't litter. A mentality shift along with crime fighting and prevention may just save us. 

I have to ask - other than the sour Brits and the few of us here who into football, does anyone really care or know about Jack Warner? The man and the track record is not as known as some of us would think.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: D.H.W on June 24, 2012, 07:27:50 AM
Only thing to save pp is get the crime under control, which they promised. I think this will be the biggest test for JW, under all seriousness I wish him the best. The country needs help
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Jah Gol on June 24, 2012, 08:32:35 AM
My allegiance is known here but objectively speaking this government made a mess of the improvements by the PNM during 2009 and 2010. The police had been hailing their successes up to July of last year just one month before the government implemented the SoE. Suspension of Civil liberties, bogus detentions , a treasure trove of rusty ole guns and no significant arrests were the hallmark of that debacle. We are not right back were we started ,we are worse off. John Sandy couldn't tie Martin Joseph's laces.

The solution this government has is not to try to improve the structure or the system that has taken a long time to decay but to introduce a bully , the King of vapse and gallery who as it would seem is prepared to flout the law into order to safeguard it . KPB  is so bad that she has given an egomaniac the reigns of the most critical ministry in the government. Where precision is required she has introduced a sledge hammer. There are no shortcuts to security. 
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: lefty on June 24, 2012, 09:23:46 AM
Only thing to save pp is get the crime under control, which they promised. I think this will be the biggest test for JW, under all seriousness I wish him the best. The country needs help

you say dat knowin full well dat man penchant for strong arm tactics and intimidation, nuff media house, websites and other news entity going an have police up dey ass when anyting get said about jack, wouldn't even be surprised if diss produce ah sharp rise in police shooting and reports of abuse and intimidation.....watch d ride.........dangerous times are ahead
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: zuluwarrior on June 24, 2012, 10:02:34 AM
Ma ma lar, leader of Pee Pee government or  project manager or Prime Minister of Trinbago  said the MSJ leader Clive Abdullah was reckless and irresponsible , here now i am looking at the post of ministry of national security  Mr Jack Warner isn't this the highest stage of recklessness and irresponsibility  ?

Two cabinet reshuffle in two years 
:joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker:
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Brownsugar on June 24, 2012, 10:08:38 AM
I doh know why all yuh getting on so??  He gets things done!!!  However he does it we doh care!!!!

aye.....we good yes.   ::) ::)
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Bourbon on June 24, 2012, 10:32:20 AM
I doh know why all yuh getting on so??  He gets things done!!!  However he does it we doh care!!!!


(http://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/598910_10150906139767297_579203877_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Bakes on June 24, 2012, 10:32:56 AM
Sunity said it best today... Jack lives by the credo that the end justifies the means.  For me what I find most compelling about this statement is that when you look at Jack, what makes him so "effective" in the eyes of his supporters is that he disregards process in favor of apparent results.  I say "apparent" because sometimes the potency of the "result" is short-term or limited, but when you're dealing with a populace fed on years of ministerial inertia, along comes a Jack Warner and he's able to pass off activity for achievement. 

Returning to the "process" issue however, too much process can frustrate achievement, but the solution isn't to do away with process, but to improve it.  Procedures are there for a reason, to ensure due diligence and to make it easier to replicate achievement in the future.  If there is a clear path to achievement then it would be easier to follow that path again in future, or to even implement it in other places.  Without process achievement is left to the vagaries of chance... but this sadly, is lost on supporters.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Preacher on June 24, 2012, 11:26:47 AM
Lincoln Douglas is a good man.   I have never heard of or read of a stranger regime.   
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: elan on June 24, 2012, 11:40:10 AM
Sunity said it best today... Jack lives by the credo that the end justifies the means.  For me what I find most compelling about this statement is that when you look at Jack, what makes him so "effective" in the eyes of his supporters is that he disregards process in favor of apparent results.  I say "apparent" because sometimes the potency of the "result" is short-term or limited, but when you're dealing with a populace fed on years of ministerial inertia, along comes a Jack Warner and he's able to pass off activity for achievement. 

Returning to the "process" issue however, too much process can frustrate achievement, but the solution isn't to do away with process, but to improve it.  Procedures are there for a reason, to ensure due diligence and to make it easier to replicate achievement in the future.  If there is a clear path to achievement then it would be easier to follow that path again in future, or to even implement it in other places.  Without process achievement is left to the vagaries of chance... but this sadly, is lost on supporters.


Yuh should post that in the football thread, and email it to TTFF so they can start to getting football on track.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: MEP on June 25, 2012, 08:33:26 AM
Only thing to save pp is get the crime under control, which they promised. I think this will be the biggest test for JW, under all seriousness I wish him the best. The country needs help

yuh put de fox in de chicken coop and yuh wish him de best...is that continued set of assness allyuh like to tork dat have the country in its current state.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: dinho on June 25, 2012, 08:49:35 AM
Who do you all think would have been best choice for Minister of National Security?
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: truetrini on June 25, 2012, 09:34:25 AM
Who do you all think would have been best choice for Minister of National Security?

Certainly not,,,absolutely NOT Jack Warner.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Swima on June 25, 2012, 11:52:51 AM
Sunity said it best today... Jack lives by the credo that the end justifies the means.  For me what I find most compelling about this statement is that when you look at Jack, what makes him so "effective" in the eyes of his supporters is that he disregards process in favor of apparent results.  I say "apparent" because sometimes the potency of the "result" is short-term or limited, but when you're dealing with a populace fed on years of ministerial inertia, along comes a Jack Warner and he's able to pass off activity for achievement. 

Returning to the "process" issue however, too much process can frustrate achievement, but the solution isn't to do away with process, but to improve it.  Procedures are there for a reason, to ensure due diligence and to make it easier to replicate achievement in the future.  If there is a clear path to achievement then it would be easier to follow that path again in future, or to even implement it in other places.  Without process achievement is left to the vagaries of chance... but this sadly, is lost on supporters.

The most coherent statement in this entire thread. We feel starved for progress down here and it is not that we haven't had any. It is that it has come at a terrible cost, be it financially, morally or otherwise. King Austin wasn't just right, he was spot on!
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: asylumseeker on June 25, 2012, 11:58:17 AM
Ma ma lar, leader of Pee Pee government or  project manager or Prime Minister of Trinbago  said the MSJ leader Clive Abdullah was reckless and irresponsible , here now i am looking at the post of ministry of national security  Mr Jack Warner isn't this the highest stage of recklessness and irresponsibility  ?

Two cabinet reshuffle in two years 
:joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker:

Dahis de pops, not the son.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: warmonga on June 25, 2012, 11:59:54 AM
its about time sandy gone.. he should have been gone right after Kamla was elected PM.. This man wutless.. di only f**k up ting is dat she replace him wid a more wutless man.. jack warner... trinidad f**king gone through wey..  There is no one in TNT sensible enough to run dat country.. all of dem is a bunch of dumb f**ks....
war
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: truetrini on June 25, 2012, 12:26:26 PM
Sunity said it best today... Jack lives by the credo that the end justifies the means.  For me what I find most compelling about this statement is that when you look at Jack, what makes him so "effective" in the eyes of his supporters is that he disregards process in favor of apparent results.  I say "apparent" because sometimes the potency of the "result" is short-term or limited, but when you're dealing with a populace fed on years of ministerial inertia, along comes a Jack Warner and he's able to pass off activity for achievement. 

Returning to the "process" issue however, too much process can frustrate achievement, but the solution isn't to do away with process, but to improve it.  Procedures are there for a reason, to ensure due diligence and to make it easier to replicate achievement in the future.  If there is a clear path to achievement then it would be easier to follow that path again in future, or to even implement it in other places.  Without process achievement is left to the vagaries of chance... but this sadly, is lost on supporters.

The most coherent statement in this entire thread. We feel starved for progress down here and it is not that we haven't had any. It is that it has come at a terrible cost, be it financially, morally or otherwise. King Austin wasn't just right, he was spot on!

Swima, I remember a conversation we had on Murray Street one night....me you and was it Disgruntled?   I feel like a prophet now.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: asylumseeker on June 25, 2012, 01:39:56 PM
Each event provides an opportunity. The glass is both half-empty and half-filled.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: diamondtrim on June 25, 2012, 02:02:34 PM
JW as Min of Natl Sec................Love it!!!!!

Thing is, that throughout the numerous posts prior, no one put has put forward even a suggestion as to who else should or could have been placed there. A member did ask and up to now has been ignored.
Blind hatred towards JW......

On another, yet related note, TT is a country that has no respect or allegiance to 'due diligence'. It is our culture and has been so entrenched for years upon years.......Yes, some of us would like it to change, but the painful reality is that the majority of us prefer to post on forums and hide behind the cloak of anonymity. Action ALWAYS speaks louder than words (and due diligence if I may add). And that is why Jack is a boss. His modus operandi is to allow the population to wallow in the pits of near resignation, then swoop in and take action, completely disregarding the process. The result? The creation of a man of action, a man who cares not for the intricacies of bureaucracy, a man who either does or doesn't. No half assing.

We, and I mean the world at large, lap it up in huge portions.

It appears that some folks sincerely believe that JW Fifa scandals will have some inevitable adverse effect on our local economy or international trade....nothing could be further from the truth. Wake up and smell the coffee ppl.....JW laughs while some of you berate him, chide him for his moral misdeeds and convict him of unproven crimes.

His life definitely has been a legacy of success....for HIM and HIS family. He doesn't have to give any other person jack...(pun intended)
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: dinho on June 25, 2012, 02:45:29 PM
Who do you all think would have been best choice for Minister of National Security?

Certainly not,,,absolutely NOT Jack Warner.

Is english so difficult?

I did not ask who you think should NOT be minister of national security did I?

If you don't have an answer to that question then why bother responding?
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: dinho on June 25, 2012, 02:47:07 PM
REPEAT....

Who do you all think would have been best choice for Minister of National Security?
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Socapro on June 25, 2012, 03:56:20 PM
Only thing to save pp is get the crime under control, which they promised. I think this will be the biggest test for JW, under all seriousness I wish him the best. The country needs help

yuh put de fox in de chicken coop and yuh wish him de best...is that continued set of assness allyuh like to tork dat have the country in its current state.
:rotfl:
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Brownsugar on June 25, 2012, 05:12:36 PM
Since Dora Explorer announce she reshuffle/reconfiguration/confuffle two songs come to mind.....

http://www.youtube.com/v/Qfw8sjmlusA&feature=related


and

http://www.youtube.com/v/dms_VJL9GRU
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: truetrini on June 26, 2012, 09:31:55 AM
Who do you all think would have been best choice for Minister of National Security?

Certainly not,,,absolutely NOT Jack Warner.

Is english so difficult?

I did not ask who you think should NOT be minister of national security did I?

If you don't have an answer to that question then why bother responding?

Yuh either trying to be an ass or an apologist, I hope not an apologetic ass!

You know that while I did not name someone that could take the mantle, (not that I don't have quite a few)  I understood the notion behind your post..yuh was condescending and trying to tell us that while we oppose Jack we could not name anyone so we should not voice an opinions and disgust at his appoi9ntment.

Well fella unless you living under a f@cking rock in Cantaro yuh must have understood our position and disdain at yuh mikey mouse government!


The Prime Minister in her infinite wisdom recently apoointed Admiral Richard Kelshall as a secial advisor and head honcho of her security arm.

Why not appoin him if he so wise that he could head up her security apparatus?

If he so good that he could be special adviser on all things security..then why not him?

Additionally, why not appoint YOU...seriously..or me or Tallman or Flex.

The problem is NOT who is appointed (apart from crooked ass Jack or anyone with myraid allegations hanging over his head)), anyone can be appoineted....there must be POLITICAL WILL and the courage to implement the laws...not legislate to death..implement to death!

Start with traffic offenses and littering....REALLY have a ZERO TOLERANCE...I can GUARANTEE you we will see a major decrease in crime almost immediately.

Then address the schools and behaviors of school children, have a truancy policy and f@cking implement it for heaven"s sake!

The computerize all public records, including license office, hold people's feet to the fire and if they eh perform doh shuffle and re-shuffle..DISMISS!

Put police on the streets and let them be courteous while firm in UPHOLDING the law.

Yuh really find it do hard?

Not me..dat model does work anywhere there is political will!   If people eh hear make dem feel...from captain to cook...and doh try to tell me nutten about no damn SoE eh....come again


Title: Mr Warner's baggage
Post by: Tallman on June 26, 2012, 09:41:57 AM
Mr Warner's baggage
By Clarence Rambharat (T&T Express)


Disingenuously masked as a reconfiguration of the Cabinet and State boards, this is the firing of John Sandy and Jack Warner's redemption or demise. Warner's baggage deserved closer examination before handing him unrestricted access to private lives and public institutions. In failing to do so the PM's judgment must be questioned.

Standing out in the Partnership's two years is massive resources poured into investigating alleged corruption under the PNM. Those investigations are important but no lead player is still involved in public functions of trust and responsibility. Jack Warner is. The most urgent investigation and determination should be of allegations made against Warner, a senior Government Minister and chairman of the dominant coalition party. Warner's appointment as Minister of National Security while these allegations remain unresolved could be the proverbial nail in the Partnership's coffin.

The word antithesis comes to mind with the PM's reconfiguration of Cabinet. She has abandoned hopes for consolidation and reduction. There is already a generous overlap of bureaucracy in government, and much redundancy and unknowns. This breakup of ministries will deepen the mysteries of doing business with the State. It will take Ministers time to figure out their portfolios and the boards will experience delays as new appointments take hold. This is not a simplification of government; this is the arbitrary parceling of State bureaucracy, without regard for what happens next.

Mr Warner's appointment, itself an antithesis, is a big political gamble. In Sandy's famous words it makes the State of Emergency and curfew look like a tea party. Warner will oversee policies for the capture and prosecution of criminals. His work will form part of the attack on bribery and corruption, kickbacks, grease-hand and graft. Most significantly Warner will command the State's capacity to spy, snoop and collect and analyse personal information. Not everyone feels comfortable with Warner in Cabinet. Warner as Minister of National Security raises deeper concerns.

The biggest concern is that this could be further confirmation that along this Government's path, good governance is overtaken by political survival and personal enrichment. Meritocracy, slain by PNM and UNC politics is buried by Partnership carving up. For voters of 2010 the carcass of hope is gone; the stench of defeat lingers and Warner's problem is that too much is unresolved.

Amongst other things Warner remains associated with unpaid bonuses for the celebrated national football team; untidy accounting for funds provided to the World Cup campaigns; allegations regarding donations meant for Haitian earthquake victims; and more recently the ownership of the FIFA-owned and funded Centre of Excellence. The international media has not forgotten Mr Warner. Apart from Reuters' and the BBC's tongue-in-cheek announcement of Warner's new appointment, last month the UK media referred to Lasana Liburd's news website wired868.com which published documents linking the Warner family in a personal way to the Centre of Excellence. Liburd, the former Express journalist who famously broke the Simpaul Travel/World Cup 2006 ticket scandal over the 2005 Christmas season referred to an $11m mortgage held by two Warner family companies, Renraw and CCAM, and secured by the FIFA-owned property.

Of all the people involved in allegations against Warner, he deserves to have them investigated and his innocence established. At a minimum, both Warner and the PM should have an interest in determining that nothing in Warner's FIFA and personal dealings makes him unsuitable for Cabinet. The public's agony is the fact nothing is happening and Warner, his party and his leader simply press on. The public also has an interest in the details of Warner's relationship and financial dealings with Chuck Blazer, his long-time CONCACAF colleague and a man once described by a Manhattan judge as being "without credibility". These matters, above any other investigation consuming taxpayers' resources, deserve priority.

Unless we answer the Warner allegations, the country would question the lessons of working hard and playing by the rules. We will ask about fair-play and the lessons of consequences. We will ask how does one defend the rule of law and reward those who dwell in its grey areas and lacunas. What about all those parables and tales we share with our children about fairness, goodness, decency, morality and the triumph of good over evil? How will we ever roll back criminal attitudes, the attraction of crime and the transfusion of lawlessness into youthful blood, when we place the country's biggest political question mark at the top of the enforcement of law? Warner's baggage must be examined.

As part of the population celebrates Mr Warner's appointment, another part tries to understand our broken confidence and vulgarity. This Cabinet reconfiguration is about a lack of courage and unwillingness to destroy the things which erode our values. The moral compass, last examined by Arthur NR Robinson in 2002, is abandoned. Now we have lost our innocence. The door has been opened to shameless political appointments at WASA and the First Citizens bank. Another failed senator is tossed onto diplomatic turf. Others could follow. New State-board appointments will also follow, all with the usual lack of diligence.

For those who stand for goodness, civility and good governance, Warner's new appointment without exoneration is an act of Partnership thuggery. The rest of the PM's changes are mere endnotes. Naipaul says in The Mimic Men: "It takes courage to destroy, for confidence in one's ability to survive is required". The PM is making deals for survival but of all the nails being lined up for the coffin.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: lefty on June 26, 2012, 10:32:36 AM
Who do you all think would have been best choice for Minister of National Security?

Certainly not,,,absolutely NOT Jack Warner.

Is english so difficult?

I did not ask who you think should NOT be minister of national security did I?

If you don't have an answer to that question then why bother responding?

Yuh either trying to be an ass or an apologist, I hope not an apologetic ass!

You know that while I did not name someone that could take the mantle, (not that I don't have quite a few)  I understood the notion behind your post..yuh was condescending and trying to tell us that while we oppose Jack we could not name anyone so we should not voice an opinions and disgust at his appoi9ntment.

Well fella unless you living under a f@cking rock in Cantaro yuh must have understood our position and disdain at yuh mikey mouse government!


The Prime Minister in her infinite wisdom recently apoointed Admiral Richard Kelshall as a secial advisor and head honcho of her security arm.

Why not appoin him if he so wise that he could head up her security apparatus?

If he so good that he could be special adviser on all things security..then why not him?

Additionally, why not appoint YOU...seriously..or me or Tallman or Flex.

The problem is NOT who is appointed (apart from crooked ass Jack or anyone with myraid allegations hanging over his head)), anyone can be appoineted....there must be POLITICAL WILL and the courage to implement the laws...not legislate to death..implement to death!

Start with traffic offenses and littering....REALLY have a ZERO TOLERANCE...I can GUARANTEE you we will see a major decrease in crime almost immediately.

Then address the schools and behaviors of school children, have a truancy policy and f@cking implement it for heaven"s sake!

The computerize all public records, including license office, hold people's feet to the fire and if they eh perform doh shuffle and re-shuffle..DISMISS!

Put police on the streets and let them be courteous while firm in UPHOLDING the law.

Yuh really find it do hard?

Not me..dat model does work anywhere there is political will!   If people eh hear make dem feel...from captain to cook...and doh try to tell me nutten about no damn SoE eh....come again




dread when yuh talk dem kinda sense all yuh does get in return is ah set a double speak and rigmaroll, from dem fellas, have said much of the same u just articulated during the SoE an dem was like
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so why bother
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: mal jeux on June 26, 2012, 11:50:53 AM
Who do you all think would have been best choice for Minister of National Security?

Certainly not,,,absolutely NOT Jack Warner.

Is english so difficult?

I did not ask who you think should NOT be minister of national security did I?

If you don't have an answer to that question then why bother responding?

Yuh either trying to be an ass or an apologist, I hope not an apologetic ass!

You know that while I did not name someone that could take the mantle, (not that I don't have quite a few)  I understood the notion behind your post..yuh was condescending and trying to tell us that while we oppose Jack we could not name anyone so we should not voice an opinions and disgust at his appoi9ntment.

Well fella unless you living under a f@cking rock in Cantaro yuh must have understood our position and disdain at yuh mikey mouse government!


The Prime Minister in her infinite wisdom recently apoointed Admiral Richard Kelshall as a secial advisor and head honcho of her security arm.

Why not appoin him if he so wise that he could head up her security apparatus?

If he so good that he could be special adviser on all things security..then why not him?

Additionally, why not appoint YOU...seriously..or me or Tallman or Flex.

The problem is NOT who is appointed (apart from crooked ass Jack or anyone with myraid allegations hanging over his head)), anyone can be appoineted....there must be POLITICAL WILL and the courage to implement the laws...not legislate to death..implement to death!

Start with traffic offenses and littering....REALLY have a ZERO TOLERANCE...I can GUARANTEE you we will see a major decrease in crime almost immediately.

Then address the schools and behaviors of school children, have a truancy policy and f@cking implement it for heaven"s sake!

The computerize all public records, including license office, hold people's feet to the fire and if they eh perform doh shuffle and re-shuffle..DISMISS!

Put police on the streets and let them be courteous while firm in UPHOLDING the law.

Yuh really find it do hard?

Not me..dat model does work anywhere there is political will!   If people eh hear make dem feel...from captain to cook...and doh try to tell me nutten about no damn SoE eh....come again




valid contribution.

why is it administration after administration can't get it right? Now I'm not one to fully blame govt for all the ills, as I'm fully aware that citizens must take responsibility for their actions.

This kinda party tribal scene in Trinidad and Tobago is what continues to prevent us moving forward as a nation.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: dinho on June 26, 2012, 12:07:44 PM

Yuh either trying to be an ass or an apologist, I hope not an apologetic ass!

You know that while I did not name someone that could take the mantle, (not that I don't have quite a few)  I understood the notion behind your post..yuh was condescending and trying to tell us that while we oppose Jack we could not name anyone so we should not voice an opinions and disgust at his appoi9ntment.

Fellah, doh presume to tell me what i was trying to say to you or anyone else... You coming off like a woman there trying to read a setta extra nonsense into my words.

I asked a very simple question because i myself wanted to know who people think would have been better options. I stated before that it makes sense to me to have the best performing minister handle the largest responsibility. I wanted to know who else people had in mind. If you interpret that as condescending, then i doh know what again to tell you.


Well fella unless you living under a f@cking rock in Cantaro yuh must have understood our position and disdain at yuh mikey mouse government!

The Prime Minister in her infinite wisdom recently apoointed Admiral Richard Kelshall as a secial advisor and head honcho of her security arm.

Why not appoin him if he so wise that he could head up her security apparatus?

If he so good that he could be special adviser on all things security..then why not him?

That sounds reasonable. Who are some of the other people you had in mind since you say you had so many (before you edited)? Not trying to be condescending, i'd really like to know.




The problem is NOT who is appointed (apart from crooked ass Jack or anyone with myraid allegations hanging over his head)), anyone can be appoineted....there must be POLITICAL WILL and the courage to implement the laws...not legislate to death..implement to death!

Start with traffic offenses and littering....REALLY have a ZERO TOLERANCE...I can GUARANTEE you we will see a major decrease in crime almost immediately.

Ministry of Works and Transport

Then address the schools and behaviors of school children, have a truancy policy and f@cking implement it for heaven"s sake!

Ministry of Education

The computerize all public records, including license office, hold people's feet to the fire and if they eh perform doh shuffle and re-shuffle..DISMISS!

Ministry of Transport, Public Information

Put police on the streets and let them be courteous while firm in UPHOLDING the law.

Supposedly that is what Gibbs ultimately failed 20/20 initiative was about?

Yuh really find it do hard?

Not me..dat model does work anywhere there is political will!   If people eh hear make dem feel...from captain to cook...and doh try to tell me nutten about no damn SoE eh....come again


You gone kinda off course but I totally agree with all that you stated there.

But government to government from time immemorial, none have shown that political will to implement. Every single one has shown to be inept to implement some basics. A simple thing like highway patrols, pulling people over for speeding, CCTV i think would go a long away yet every single government rehashing the same old shit over and over.

If it not so hard to do, then why it is nobody can't do it?

Right now a general consensus among people is they vex Warner leaving Works ministry because they wondering who go fix the roads now... Despite allyuh inability to give the man any kinda credit, he make things happen and he left a track record in that ministry. If he can apply the same kinda effort with the Ministry of National Security then i can't see how that would not be welcome. We dogs dead anyhow, not so?
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Bakes on June 26, 2012, 01:09:54 PM

Is english so difficult?

I did not ask who you think should NOT be minister of national security did I?

If you don't have an answer to that question then why bother responding?
Insisting that Warner is a good choice absent any evidence to the contrary is classic appeal to ignorance... one of the most basic of the logical fallacies. The fact is that we don't know all the qualified players in the pool of candidates... none of us here are vetting CVs and performing background checks. 

The fact that we cannot ourselves name a better candidate doesn't mean that better candidates don't exist, and is not in itself a sound argument in favor of Warner's appointment.  The list of reasons why Warner makes a poor choice for any government position, let alone one as sensitive and high profile as this one... is plain to any objective person.  It's not even about liking or disliking the man.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Bourbon on June 26, 2012, 02:31:24 PM
Mr Warner's baggage
By Clarence Rambharat (T&T Express)


Unless we answer the Warner allegations, the country would question the lessons of working hard and playing by the rules. We will ask about fair-play and the lessons of consequences. We will ask how does one defend the rule of law and reward those who dwell in its grey areas and lacunas. What about all those parables and tales we share with our children about fairness, goodness, decency, morality and the triumph of good over evil? How will we ever roll back criminal attitudes, the attraction of crime and the transfusion of lawlessness into youthful blood, when we place the country's biggest political question mark at the top of the enforcement of law? Warner's baggage must be examined.





When yuh tiefing...tief big. Yuh go get lock up for tiefin small.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: zuluwarrior on June 26, 2012, 05:17:19 PM
The other day i made an error saying Jack Warner  will not be able to leave Trinbago at any time  to my supprise the man buss my bubble ,he said he recently left and went to Miami too lime , he want people to know he can leave the country anytime .
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: truetrini on June 26, 2012, 05:40:09 PM

Yuh either trying to be an ass or an apologist, I hope not an apologetic ass!

You know that while I did not name someone that could take the mantle, (not that I don't have quite a few)  I understood the notion behind your post..yuh was condescending and trying to tell us that while we oppose Jack we could not name anyone so we should not voice an opinions and disgust at his appoi9ntment.

Fellah, doh presume to tell me what i was trying to say to you or anyone else... You coming off like a woman there trying to read a setta extra nonsense into my words.

I asked a very simple question because i myself wanted to know who people think would have been better options. I stated before that it makes sense to me to have the best performing minister handle the largest responsibility. I wanted to know who else people had in mind. If you interpret that as condescending, then i doh know what again to tell you.


Well fella unless you living under a f@cking rock in Cantaro yuh must have understood our position and disdain at yuh mikey mouse government!

The Prime Minister in her infinite wisdom recently apoointed Admiral Richard Kelshall as a secial advisor and head honcho of her security arm.

Why not appoin him if he so wise that he could head up her security apparatus?

If he so good that he could be special adviser on all things security..then why not him?

That sounds reasonable. Who are some of the other people you had in mind since you say you had so many (before you edited)? Not trying to be condescending, i'd really like to know.




The problem is NOT who is appointed (apart from crooked ass Jack or anyone with myraid allegations hanging over his head)), anyone can be appoineted....there must be POLITICAL WILL and the courage to implement the laws...not legislate to death..implement to death!

Start with traffic offenses and littering....REALLY have a ZERO TOLERANCE...I can GUARANTEE you we will see a major decrease in crime almost immediately.

Ministry of Works and Transport

Then address the schools and behaviors of school children, have a truancy policy and f@cking implement it for heaven"s sake!

Ministry of Education

The computerize all public records, including license office, hold people's feet to the fire and if they eh perform doh shuffle and re-shuffle..DISMISS!

Ministry of Transport, Public Information

Put police on the streets and let them be courteous while firm in UPHOLDING the law.

Supposedly that is what Gibbs ultimately failed 20/20 initiative was about?

Yuh really find it do hard?

Not me..dat model does work anywhere there is political will!   If people eh hear make dem feel...from captain to cook...and doh try to tell me nutten about no damn SoE eh....come again


You gone kinda off course but I totally agree with all that you stated there.

But government to government from time immemorial, none have shown that political will to implement. Every single one has shown to be inept to implement some basics. A simple thing like highway patrols, pulling people over for speeding, CCTV i think would go a long away yet every single government rehashing the same old shit over and over.

If it not so hard to do, then why it is nobody can't do it?

Right now a general consensus among people is they vex Warner leaving Works ministry because they wondering who go fix the roads now... Despite allyuh inability to give the man any kinda credit, he make things happen and he left a track record in that ministry. If he can apply the same kinda effort with the Ministry of National Security then i can't see how that would not be welcome. We dogs dead anyhow, not so?

First of all, as Bakes pointed out most people doh have ah list, BUT..dah doh mean they cannot object to Warner de tief being put in charge of the Nation's security apparatus!

Secondly just for the reason I stated above your post WAS tinged heavily with condescension, that was further illustrated by your last sentence saying that people vex he leaving cuz who go fix de roads now, and how yuh feel he go give we the same effort...steups..Bullshit of the highest order, so if he is de only one to fix de roads and solve de crime they shoulda make a Ministry of Works, Drains and Jails and make he de Minister not so?

How hard is it to fix roads anyway?  Planning with WASA Electric and Phone, fix it not hard except in T&T.

ANd for your information, The Ministry of Works and Transportation have little to do with enforcing the laws of the land, The Ministry of Education needs to change their rules and make it a criminal offense to fight in schools, and to assault teachers..again you may think I went off course there, but without a holistic approach to crime and criminality we spinning top in mud.

Gibbs eh pout no set ah police on the streets to do a damn thing.   They must just be present, they must be proactive!   Gibbs not equipped to deal with the nuances of T&T culture so he cannot implement shit.   He is not liked nor trusted by the same police he is supposed to lead.

Besides pointing out which ministry has  jurisdiction over what suggestion is really moot...as the Ministry of Nat Security cannot singularily fight crime and defend the nation's interests...again it is a holistic effort that is needed.

it is also NOT true that But government to government from time immemorial, none have shown that political will to implement.

The one man who had the balls get cut down each time he tried..and dat man is Martin Joseph, the police do all in their power to make him fail....dem dutty f**kers.  MArtin Joseph tried to bring transformation and accountability and had to deal with real assholes that he could do nutten about becasue of old laws.  so another thing that is greatly needed in the fight against crime is constitutional reform and a wholesale revamping of the Civil Service and how civil servants are treated with!

If Gibbs was serious about community policing we woulda have dem same patrols yuh talking about...doh even forget the OPV's and dem and what they were eventually replaced with?  NUTTEN!!!!!

Again fella, in this pappy show land, politicians jostle for tribal votes so damn political will and make way for political jackassery!

Jack Warner is NOT the right man, even if he gets results, the ends justifying the means is not sufficient for an orderly society.

Let me put it this way.

Cobras eat vermin such as rats...if you have a house over run with rats you go put cobras in yuh house or get a cat or two?

Both dealing with yuh vermin problem....but at what cost?





 
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Football supporter on June 26, 2012, 06:17:15 PM
The other day i made an error saying Jack Warner  will not be able to leave Trinbago at any time  to my supprise the man buss my bubble ,he said he recently left and went to Miami too lime , he want people to know he can leave the country anytime .

He's said a lot of things that have never been corroborated! He's just alledging that he went. No ones seen his holiday photos!!
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Football supporter on June 26, 2012, 06:23:12 PM
People here can make passionate statements, cuss and complain, but the most insightful comment on this subject came from Kamla herself.

"Allegations are allegations. There will always be allegations. But someone would have made jail."
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Bourbon on June 26, 2012, 07:06:04 PM
People here can make passionate statements, cuss and complain, but the most insightful comment on this subject came from Kamla herself.

"Allegations are allegations. There will always be allegations. But someone would have made jail."

Dat logic doh apply to Calder Hart does it?
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Football supporter on June 26, 2012, 07:20:59 PM
People here can make passionate statements, cuss and complain, but the most insightful comment on this subject came from Kamla herself.

"Allegations are allegations. There will always be allegations. But someone would have made jail."

Dat logic doh apply to Calder Hart does it?

He's not in jail, is he? So according to Kamla's logic, he's innocent. Leave the man alone!!
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Bourbon on June 26, 2012, 07:33:25 PM
People here can make passionate statements, cuss and complain, but the most insightful comment on this subject came from Kamla herself.

"Allegations are allegations. There will always be allegations. But someone would have made jail."

Dat logic doh apply to Calder Hart does it?

He's not in jail, is he? So according to Kamla's logic, he's innocent. Leave the man alone!!


Dey realise dis before or after May 24th 2010?
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: mukumsplau on June 26, 2012, 07:47:29 PM
kamla persad bisessar SC
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: zuluwarrior on June 26, 2012, 10:30:48 PM
"Allegations are allegations. There will always be allegations. But someone would have made jail.

Well Mamalar for your infomation your SECURITY MINISTER is  in a jail, he can only go East ,West, North or South  of Trinbago,  he cannot go foreign to attend a  confrence on crime fighting , put the glass down and sober up  for a minute you will see all the bars around him. 
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Brownsugar on June 27, 2012, 06:51:21 AM
Our new Minister of National Security's first official outing??    Breaking down the Re-route movement camp at 5:30 this morning along with members of the Army.....well I could be wrong, but dais the job of a Minister??   Say what.....

Let we sing de chorus.....

"Pappy shooowwww.....welcome to de pappy show....."
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: mukumsplau on June 27, 2012, 06:52:54 AM
came across on the news this morning....jack(and colin partap junio minister) took police and army to the debe/mon desir reroute movement camp and destroyed it...one spokesperson for the group when interviewed said jack gave the order to begin the destruction....they said he started by flinging down a few things on the ground and then told the army to destroy it....he just laughed off the protests...
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: mukumsplau on June 27, 2012, 06:54:58 AM
Our new Minister of National Security's first official outing??    Breaking down the Re-route movement camp at 5:30 this morning along with members of the Army.....well I could be wrong, but dais the job of a Minister??   Say what.....

Let we sing de chorus.....

"Pappy shooowwww.....welcome to de pappy show....."

yuh beat me to it..

i remember in an interview he also spoke of going on raids etc with the police...but this one wreaks of a personal vendetta to me especially after emmanuel george said yesterday he have to get up to speed first with the whole issue before making a decision...
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: D.H.W on June 27, 2012, 07:02:59 AM
Let them enjoy it while last.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: D.H.W on June 27, 2012, 07:03:31 AM
The opposition is a waste of time too
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Bourbon on June 27, 2012, 07:05:19 AM
Our new Minister of National Security's first official outing??    Breaking down the Re-route movement camp at 5:30 this morning along with members of the Army.....well I could be wrong, but dais the job of a Minister??   Say what.....

Let we sing de chorus.....

"Pappy shooowwww.....welcome to de pappy show....."

yuh beat me to it..

i remember in an interview he also spoke of going on raids etc with the police...but this one wreaks of a personal vendetta to me especially after emmanuel george said yesterday he have to get up to speed first with the whole issue before making a decision...

You seem suprised. You forget who we dealing with here or wha?
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: lefty on June 27, 2012, 07:17:22 AM
dem fellas have land and property dat waitin to earn money....have to be......for dem to be fightin dong dey own "supporters" so openly and brazenly.....watch d ride
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: zuluwarrior on June 27, 2012, 07:58:44 AM
And to be more specific jack warner and partap was on site this morning.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Bourbon on June 27, 2012, 09:00:25 AM
http://www.i955fm.com/news-blogs/news/4876-re-route-movement-camp-destroyed.html



http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Breaking-News---Jack-Orders-Demolotion-of-Highway-Re-Route-Camp-in-Debe-160522685.html

In one of his first official acts at National Security Minister,
Jack Warner today instructed and supervised the
demolishing, by soldiers and police officers, of the Highway
Re-route Movement's protest camp in Debe.

Warner was also there when the group's leader, environmental
activist Dr Wayne Kublalsingh was arrested when
entered the campsite while it was being torn apart, and threw himself in the path of a bulldozer ripping apart a prayer room.
The group is accused of squatting on State lands.

Warner, who was accompanied by Minister in the National Security
Ministry Colin Partap, was verbally abused by many.
Some members cried and begged that he give them until noon to remove the camp. Warner stood firm and did not respond. Instead, he greeted soldiers and police officers and spoke with officials of OAS Constructura, the main contractor hired to build the $7.2 billion highway.

Kublalsingh was taken to the charge room of the San Fernando
Police Station. He may appear in court this afternoon.

Warner is planning to host a press conference on the demolition today.
Attorney senior counsel Ramesh Lawrence Maharaj is expected to
visit the protest site this afternoon, to speak on behalf of members.
Oilfields Workers' Trade Union president General Ancel Roget and leader of the Movement for Social Justice David Abdulah visited the site, condemned the action and and called for Warner's removal as National Security Minister.

Warner, who was sworn in as National Security Minister on Monday,
had several confrontations with Kublalsingh and members of the
Highway Re-Route Movement, while he was the Minister of Works and Infrastructure.
The group is opposed to the construction of the Debe to Mon Desir
segment of the Solomon Hochoy Highway extension to Point Fortin.
The protest campsite was said to be holding up construction of the highway extension to Mon Desir, costing the State millions of dollars.

On Tuesday, Kublalsingh said he knew of the plan to destroy the camp.
He had then congratulated newly-appointed Minister
of Works Emmanuel George and asked that he listen to the grouop's concerns.
Kublalsingh said he intended to write the new minister outlining
the group's reasons for protesting against the construction.
"We will write him a letter to find out what is the Government's current position.

Three months ago the prime minister did say that she will put the project on hold, as reviews it. We have been writing letters to the prime minister, asking her the status of the review, but we have not gotten a response. We want to know the status of that review," he said.

Kublalsingh had said Warner was
not concerned about the plight of members of the Highway Re-Route Movement.
"We have had enormous difficulty with Mr Warner. He has accused
us of fire-bombing, which is false. He accused us of being professionally paid protesters. He accused us of joining the OWTU to overthrow the Government and he also accused us of joining a terrorist group in Fyzabad. So I don't think that is the correct way to conduct the affairs of the country," he had said.

Kublalsingh had said "The fast came about because of Mr Warner's statements. We understand that the Government intends to come and break the camp. Every evening we have prayer service in the Muslim, Hindu, and Christian faiths asking for protection, not just for the camp but for the Oropouche lagoon and affected communities".

Shortly before 6a.m today, more than 20 soldiers based at the nearly Camp La Romaine, and more than a dozen police officers arrived at the camp site and found no more than five persons who had spent the night there. The soldiers ordered members out of the camp and began knocking it down. Warner arrived soon after and looked on as the debris was loaded onto trucks and carted away.
Kublalsingh arrived about an hour later, and rushed onto the site.
He was grabbed by soldiers, but was able to wriggle free and fell into a culvert as he was being led away. He was snatched a second time and handcuffed to a police officer.
It took three hours for the camped to be demolished. During that time, group member Elizabeth Rambharose and another activist sat at the centre of the demolition activity.
With images of the Hindu incarnations of God in hand, they prayed and sang until police officers and other group members convinced them to leave the site.



Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: congo on June 27, 2012, 11:13:04 AM
Not one word.

Meh mouth have a zip.

HELLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Bourbon on June 27, 2012, 11:38:49 AM
Sancho and dem might be next or wha?
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Bakes on June 27, 2012, 12:41:54 PM
I dunno.. I have no dog in that fight, but something about this strikes me as very... repulsive.  I can't help but feel sad for these people.  Gov't shouldn't be acting in this heavy-handed kinda way.  And before people start talking, I would be saying the same thing if this was the PNM. Citizens have to have an avenue for peaceful protest.  How is this different from the dogs and water cannons that blacks had to face in the South in the 60s?
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: truetrini on June 27, 2012, 01:34:46 PM
I dunno.. I have no dog in that fight, but something about this strikes me as very... repulsive.  I can't help but feel sad for these people.  Gov't shouldn't be acting in this heavy-handed kinda way.  And before people start talking, I would be saying the same thing if this was the PNM. Citizens have to have an avenue for peaceful protest.  How is this different from the dogs and water cannons that blacks had to face in the South in the 60s?

well according to reports they have been blocking the progress of the highway and costing the government millions in delays.

This kind of government action is not an aberration happens all over the place.

WHat I find reprehensible is that the UNC peeps claiming that the PNM is behind the protests!
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Dutty on June 27, 2012, 02:09:03 PM
Sancho and dem might be next or wha?

I study dat too oui..all kinda intimidation and fake charges might start to fall in dem fellahs yard

If jack do ah tenth of de wukk in security that he do in transportation...all negative public sentiment toward him go juss evaporate
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: truetrini on June 27, 2012, 02:10:41 PM
Sancho and dem might be next or wha?

I study dat too oui..all kinda intimidation and fake charges might start to fall in dem fellahs yard

If jack do ah tenth of de wukk in security that he do in transportation...all negative public sentiment toward him go juss evaporate

Can someone please point out all Jack's accomplishments as  Minister of Drains?  Thanks.  This talk about one tenth ah dis and dat ringing hollow to me
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: mukumsplau on June 27, 2012, 02:20:55 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/wy3e9TyZZFY
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Dutty on June 27, 2012, 02:24:12 PM
Sancho and dem might be next or wha?

I study dat too oui..all kinda intimidation and fake charges might start to fall in dem fellahs yard

If jack do ah tenth of de wukk in security that he do in transportation...all negative public sentiment toward him go juss evaporate

Can someone please point out all Jack's accomplishments as  Minister of Drains?  Thanks.  This talk about one tenth ah dis and dat ringing hollow to me

hmm now that yuh mention it, I just goin on hearsay from folks in t&t...other than rammin through the red tape for the highway (possibly bypassing an actual tendering process) and keeping it on budget, I really dont know of anything else

oh and he help some old people on de bus, when he was grandstanding on de bus route last year.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Football supporter on June 27, 2012, 04:10:36 PM
I dunno.. I have no dog in that fight, but something about this strikes me as very... repulsive.  I can't help but feel sad for these people.  Gov't shouldn't be acting in this heavy-handed kinda way.  And before people start talking, I would be saying the same thing if this was the PNM. Citizens have to have an avenue for peaceful protest.  How is this different from the dogs and water cannons that blacks had to face in the South in the 60s?

well according to reports they have been blocking the progress of the highway and costing the government millions in delays. This I agree with, but in a democracy, people are given that right under the constitution.

This kind of government action is not an aberration happens all over the place.  But mostly by way of a court order, not the whim of a Govt Minister.

WHat I find reprehensible is that the UNC peeps claiming that the PNM is behind the protests!
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Football supporter on June 27, 2012, 04:13:19 PM
Sancho and dem might be next or wha?

I study dat too oui..all kinda intimidation and fake charges might start to fall in dem fellahs yard

If jack do ah tenth of de wukk in security that he do in transportation...all negative public sentiment toward him go juss evaporate

Can someone please point out all Jack's accomplishments as  Minister of Drains?  Thanks.  This talk about one tenth ah dis and dat ringing hollow to me

hmm now that yuh mention it, I just goin on hearsay from folks in t&t...other than rammin through the red tape for the highway (possibly bypassing an actual tendering process) and keeping it on budget, I really dont know of anything else

oh and he help some old people on de bus, when he was grandstanding on de bus route last year.

Didn't he also bypass the procedure for the airports lights? Don't even know if the work was done. And remember, these road builders are the same who built the football stadium in Brazil.  :thinking:
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: truetrini on June 27, 2012, 04:39:12 PM
I dunno.. I have no dog in that fight, but something about this strikes me as very... repulsive.  I can't help but feel sad for these people.  Gov't shouldn't be acting in this heavy-handed kinda way.  And before people start talking, I would be saying the same thing if this was the PNM. Citizens have to have an avenue for peaceful protest.  How is this different from the dogs and water cannons that blacks had to face in the South in the 60s?

well according to reports they have been blocking the progress of the highway and costing the government millions in delays. This I agree with, but in a democracy, people are given that right under the constitution.

This kind of government action is not an aberration happens all over the place.  But mostly by way of a court order, not the whim of a Govt Minister.

WHat I find reprehensible is that the UNC peeps claiming that the PNM is behind the protests!

Please I was in England and saw police beating the crap out of students protesting school fees two years ago.  I even saw a young man dragged from a wheel chair, the police even dragged him along the road.   Which court in England ordered that?

Hell just last year police in London during Occupy protests beat and pepper sprayed protestors on PUBLIC SPACES...i's owned by the PUBLIC and maintained by the public purse.

As I said that shit is normal.   If yuh holding up government work and yuh onsite illegally, they could move yuh ass..with or without warning.  Clearly the government earmarked that area for development and they blocking it, and doing so illegally too.

I have no love for Jack warner, but he eh do nutten there that is new or novel.   Infact he doh like protesters, as evidenced by his many objections to them in the past.

Mayors here send police to clean up areas without going to court, same happens in Canada and Europe including England.

In fact many times police take unilateral actions and call it justified due to retaliations etc.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: just cool on June 27, 2012, 04:42:04 PM
Sancho and dem might be next or wha?

I study dat too oui..all kinda intimidation and fake charges might start to fall in dem fellahs yard

If jack do ah tenth of de wukk in security that he do in transportation...all negative public sentiment toward him go juss evaporate

Can someone please point out all Jack's accomplishments as  Minister of Drains?  Thanks.  This talk about one tenth ah dis and dat ringing hollow to me

hmm now that yuh mention it, I just goin on hearsay from folks in t&t...other than rammin through the red tape for the highway (possibly bypassing an actual tendering process) and keeping it on budget, I really dont know of anything else

oh and he help some old people on de bus, when he was grandstanding on de bus route last year.

Didn't he also bypass the procedure for the airports lights? Don't even know if the work was done. And remember, these road builders are the same who built the football stadium in Brazil.  :thinking:
Remember he loss that portfolio as the min of transport.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: just cool on June 27, 2012, 04:49:04 PM
I dunno.. I have no dog in that fight, but something about this strikes me as very... repulsive.  I can't help but feel sad for these people.  Gov't shouldn't be acting in this heavy-handed kinda way.  And before people start talking, I would be saying the same thing if this was the PNM. Citizens have to have an avenue for peaceful protest.  How is this different from the dogs and water cannons that blacks had to face in the South in the 60s?

well according to reports they have been blocking the progress of the highway and costing the government millions in delays. This I agree with, but in a democracy, people are given that right under the constitution.

This kind of government action is not an aberration happens all over the place.  But mostly by way of a court order, not the whim of a Govt Minister.

WHat I find reprehensible is that the UNC peeps claiming that the PNM is behind the protests!

Please I was in England and saw police beating the crap out of students protesting school fees two years ago.  I even saw a young man dragged from a wheel chair, the police even dragged him along the road.   Which court in England ordered that?

Hell just last year police in London during Occupy protests beat and pepper sprayed protestors on PUBLIC SPACES...i's owned by the PUBLIC and maintained by the public purse.

As I said that shit is normal
That is ah classic case of, if you could do it , then i could do it too.  TT i eh lying, i find there are certain ppl if they mutter one jot, yuh does be on their case like mold on stale cheese, with FS being one of them, don't know what that's all about, don't really care too much either, but this time the man has a point.

what you just said is comparable with what an ignoramus first worlder would say.

it's like an american criticizing me for complaining about police brutality and human rights, bc in my country it's the norm for the police to kill ppl for nothing and get away with it scotch free, so in turn i suppose to shut it bc they eh even doing half of what my ppl doing in my banana republic.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Brownsugar on June 27, 2012, 05:05:19 PM
I dunno.. I have no dog in that fight, but something about this strikes me as very... repulsive.  I can't help but feel sad for these people.  Gov't shouldn't be acting in this heavy-handed kinda way.  And before people start talking, I would be saying the same thing if this was the PNM. Citizens have to have an avenue for peaceful protest.  How is this different from the dogs and water cannons that blacks had to face in the South in the 60s?

well according to reports they have been blocking the progress of the highway and costing the government millions in delays. This I agree with, but in a democracy, people are given that right under the constitution.

This kind of government action is not an aberration happens all over the place.  But mostly by way of a court order, not the whim of a Govt Minister.

WHat I find reprehensible is that the UNC peeps claiming that the PNM is behind the protests!

Please I was in England and saw police beating the crap out of students protesting school fees two years ago.  I even saw a young man dragged from a wheel chair, the police even dragged him along the road.   Which court in England ordered that?

Hell just last year police in London during Occupy protests beat and pepper sprayed protestors on PUBLIC SPACES...i's owned by the PUBLIC and maintained by the public purse.

As I said that shit is normal.   If yuh holding up government work and yuh onsite illegally, they could move yuh ass..with or without warning.  Clearly the government earmarked that area for development and they blocking it, and doing so illegally too.

I have no love for Jack warner, but he eh do nutten there that is new or novel.   Infact he doh like protesters, as evidenced by his many objections to them in the past.

Mayors here send police to clean up areas without going to court, same happens in Canada and Europe including England.

In fact many times police take unilateral actions and call it justified due to retaliations etc.

Truetrini I think the objectionable thing is that HE apparently was the one that called out the army and/or police.  Is a minister allowed to direct our protective service??  THAT I think is what people are upset about. 

Today is the Highway People who he was gunning for before he left Min of Works so who next??....

Oh and yeah I too waiting for all these things he supposedly accomplished so far.   All this hard wuk he put down.....steups!!!  We real does get caught up in PR, BS and smoke screen yes.  Check it.  His first pronouncement is that he want to close down the jail in POS and Carrera....fine good.

But how long is that going to take??  He consult anybody on it yet?   Is there a plan/design for the new jail (to be built on plenty land in Central, ah wonder who owns that piece of land??)  Is there a budget for it yet??  He probably cyar answer any of these questions but he done come on de TV talking, talking, talking.....and den men like Dinho goh come and tell we he hard wukking.....steups!!!

If is one thing the man knows he public yes.  We have the attention span of a fly.....he know we eh goh remember this jail talk by next week.  In fact, we done forget already.....he on to the next attention getting stunt already.....steups!!!    I eh know what we do to get saddled with this clown.....
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: truetrini on June 27, 2012, 05:05:54 PM
I was not endorsing the actions, fella, merely pointing out that i is par for the course and I see no real grouse against the government for removing their own supporters who objecting to this highway construction.

Let them sue the government get an injuction and tie up the construction leaglly.  dais all I saying.

I merely pointed out that this happens everywhere even without court instructions.  I eh have nutten against the man...well not again.

Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: truetrini on June 27, 2012, 05:11:12 PM
I do beleive that as Minister of National security he can do what he did actually.  He is the one signing all ah dem promotion papers etc.

He may not be the Commander in Chief of the Military, but he does have some purview and power with regards to operations etc.  In fact he can fire the head of the Defense Force if he likes
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: mukumsplau on June 27, 2012, 05:23:33 PM
its a breach of the constitution to pick up the phone directly call the army..ask for some soldiers and go down to do whatever...its unconstitutional...the police and army cant take direct orders from a minister...

emmanuel george was stuttering like an idiot trying to rationalise d move tonight when HE HIMSELF said a couple days ago say he have to get up to speed before he makes a decision and also kamla said a while ago that work will be halted pending review...

an this company building the highway its well to note that they have some mega projects doin in brazil for d world cup...Construtora OAS Limited...maybe jack antsy because he done get he kickback and d company gettin impatient...
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Bakes on June 27, 2012, 05:24:29 PM
I was not endorsing the actions, fella, merely pointing out that i is par for the course and I see no real grouse against the government for removing their own supporters who objecting to this highway construction.

Let them sue the government get an injuction and tie up the construction leaglly.  dais all I saying.

I merely pointed out that this happens everywhere even without court instructions.  I eh have nutten against the man...well not again.



That is shit talk.  All one has to do is look at how the "Occupy" protesters were treated in the US to see the difference.  Unless by "everywhere" yuh mean Russia, China and Libya.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Brownsugar on June 27, 2012, 06:04:45 PM
I do beleive that as Minister of National security he can do what he did actually.  He is the one signing all ah dem promotion papers etc.

He may not be the Commander in Chief of the Military, but he does have some purview and power with regards to operations etc.  In fact he can fire the head of the Defense Force if he likes

uuuuuummm Truetrini, first I am not a "fella"   ;D

Now on to the story.  I'm not quite sure I'm following and yuh kinda surprising mih at how cool you appear to be with the situation.  I eh do no setta law and thing.  And I eh think is because is Jack either.  But from the time I heard the story this morning the first thing that struck me as odd was that a Minister was on site actively taking part in the demolition.   Something about that just doh sound correct to me.  Kinda like how I felt something was odd about the SOE last year the minute I heard about it.

Then by chance they interviewed Ramesh on I95.5 fm after the whole thing started and he said that IF, the police and army action were as a result of the Minister's directive that is unconstitutional.

And let we take Jack out of the picture.  ANY Minister doing this would have struck me as odd.

Now add Jack in the picture.  If yuh eh find something wrong dey and yuh eh worried like hell....well I have enough concern for the both of us.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: truetrini on June 27, 2012, 06:16:24 PM
I was not endorsing the actions, fella, merely pointing out that i is par for the course and I see no real grouse against the government for removing their own supporters who objecting to this highway construction.

Let them sue the government get an injuction and tie up the construction leaglly.  dais all I saying.

I merely pointed out that this happens everywhere even without court instructions.  I eh have nutten against the man...well not again.



That is shit talk.  All one has to do is look at how the "Occupy" protesters were treated in the US to see the difference.  Unless by "everywhere" yuh mean Russia, China and Libya.

How were the occupy protestors treated in the US?  Spain?  And other places? In NY several portestors, mind you peaceful ones were beaten by the police and hospitalized.   In any case, just like the re-route protestors in T&T they were all eventually evicted by the p[olice, in many cases in many countries with violence!

In Candad there are many court cases currently on the socket dealing with police violence aginst peaceful protesters, same in NY and elsewhere.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: truetrini on June 27, 2012, 06:18:07 PM
I do beleive that as Minister of National security he can do what he did actually.  He is the one signing all ah dem promotion papers etc.

He may not be the Commander in Chief of the Military, but he does have some purview and power with regards to operations etc.  In fact he can fire the head of the Defense Force if he likes

uuuuuummm Truetrini, first I am not a "fella"   ;D

Now on to the story.  I'm not quite sure I'm following and yuh kinda surprising mih at how cool you appear to be with the situation.  I eh do no setta law and thing.  And I eh think is because is Jack either.  But from the time I heard the story this morning the first thing that struck me as odd was that a Minister was on site actively taking part in the demolition.   Something about that just doh sound correct to me.  Kinda like how I felt something was odd about the SOE last year the minute I heard about it.

Then by chance they interviewed Ramesh on I95.5 fm after the whole thing started and he said that IF, the police and army action were as a result of the Minister's directive that is unconstitutional.

And let we take Jack out of the picture.  ANY Minister doing this would have struck me as odd.

Now add Jack in the picture.  If yuh eh find something wrong dey and yuh eh worried like hell....well I have enough concern for the both of us.

When the constitution of T&T allows for joint police army/coast guard patrols, they fall under the purview of the Minister of National Security.

I see nothing dangerous in what was done. there was no violence by the police/army was there?   They broke down illegal structures that the erectors were warned about.

We cannot cry for law and then be lawless.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: truetrini on June 27, 2012, 06:21:40 PM
The joint police/army patrols are the result of a directive given by Prime Minister Kamla Persad- Bissessar in response to the recent spike in homicides.

If Jack as new Minister wants to sue them to destroy illegal structures then he has the power.

Like it or not, I still see no danger in what was done.

As I said it happens everyday all over the world in bastions of democracy!
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Bakes on June 27, 2012, 06:22:26 PM
Please I was in England and saw police beating the crap out of students protesting school fees two years ago.  I even saw a young man dragged from a wheel chair, the police even dragged him along the road.   Which court in England ordered that?

Hell just last year police in London during Occupy protests beat and pepper sprayed protestors on PUBLIC SPACES...i's owned by the PUBLIC and maintained by the public purse.

As I said that shit is normal.   If yuh holding up government work and yuh onsite illegally, they could move yuh ass..with or without warning.  Clearly the government earmarked that area for development and they blocking it, and doing so illegally too.

I have no love for Jack warner, but he eh do nutten there that is new or novel.   Infact he doh like protesters, as evidenced by his many objections to them in the past.

Mayors here send police to clean up areas without going to court, same happens in Canada and Europe including England.

In fact many times police take unilateral actions and call it justified due to retaliations etc.

Implicit in saying "that happens all over the place" is that it happens without repercussions, which is far from the truth.  Just because what you claim you saw happen in England happened doesn't make it right, acceptable, okay... or even sanctioned by a court.  Just last year, 6 1/2 years after the fact, police in DC and NY were forced to compensate protesters who organized outside of the World Bank meetings in those two cities.  Other protesters at the GOP Convention that same year were compensated for the same thing, violations of their civil rights when police moved in en masse and arrested them. 

The occupy movement folks were forcefully removed under the aegis of "public health" concerns for the condition the parks they occupied were being kept.  Not for "illegally occupying" anything.  If these were workers on strike in Debe, under your analysis they too could have been forcefully removed as doing so "illegally" or without gov't permission.  This isn't how the law operates and just because Jack ordered it doesn't make it right or acceptable.  Aside from all this... how does this implicate "national security" that he needs to be there on site?  Just more grandstanding... served with a heavy hand and gestapo boots.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: truetrini on June 27, 2012, 06:28:15 PM
Bakes no doubt it is grand standing, is Jack we talking about.  Apart from that what he did was not illegal or dangerous to civil rights, the campers were breaking the law, set up structures illegally without permission in places where they had no right to, and without permits.

Jack being there is his way of setting a precedent of some sort (not agreeing with his being there), he wants to portray himself as being proactive and brave.  Did he have to be there? absolutely not.

As for the occupy folks they were treated with becasue they were a nuisance to the government and bankers.    Whatever excuse the government gave to forcefully and forcibly remove them from areas where they had every right to congregate is another matter.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: truetrini on June 27, 2012, 06:32:01 PM
p.s.  The same ministry of national security sent the soldiers to dismantle the illegal structures of the Jamaat some years ago...where was the public hue and cry then?
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Brownsugar on June 27, 2012, 06:38:46 PM
p.s.  The same ministry of national security sent the soldiers to dismantle the illegal structures of the Jamaat some years ago...where was the public hue and cry then?

If its wrong now, then it would have been wrong then.  As for the lack of a hue and cry then.....well, is the Jamaat.  Need I say more......
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: asylumseeker on June 27, 2012, 06:42:27 PM
... why is there a lack of leadership in the nation?
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: truetrini on June 27, 2012, 06:43:09 PM
... why is there a lack of leadership in the nation?

Lack of will and real courage to do the hard things
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: truetrini on June 27, 2012, 06:43:35 PM
... why is there a lack of leadership in the nation?

It was not wrong back then nor is it wrong now based on constitution
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Bakes on June 27, 2012, 06:44:03 PM
p.s.  The same ministry of national security sent the soldiers to dismantle the illegal structures of the Jamaat some years ago...where was the public hue and cry then?

Yuh mean de same Jamettes who was engaged in criminal activity and treason?

Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Brownsugar on June 27, 2012, 07:22:39 PM
... why is there a lack of leadership in the nation?

It was not wrong back then nor is it wrong now based on constitution


I goh have to check this out again.  Cuz Ramesh (who probably just operating out of sour grapes, but since a lot of people have gone quiet since de PP take over I eh have no body else to refer to) says that it is unconstitutional for a Minister to give the armed forces a directive.  Alright, let we take the police out of the equation.  How de army reach dey??   I thought dem supposed to take orders from the Prez??

Anywho, ah sure we goh have more situations like this to discuss in the months as years to come......is Jack we dealing with...... ::)
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Football supporter on June 27, 2012, 07:25:49 PM
Whether Jack was in his rights or not, it was tactically naive. His grandstanding yet again brings shame on T&T.

This from ABC web news in USA:

Ex-Soccer Chief Uses Troops on Trinidad Protest

PORT-OF-SPAIN, Trinidad June 27, 2012 (AP)

Former FIFA Vice President Jack Warner has called in troops and riot police to remove a protest camp built by environmentalists in his first move as national security minister.

Dozens of soldiers and police razed the three-month-old camp built to protest construction of a highway critics say will damage a watershed.

Warner is defending Wednesday's action and says he has the support of Works Minister Emmanuel George.

But former attorney general Ramesh Lawrence Maharaj says Warner violated Trinidad's constitution because police and army officers are not supposed to take orders from a minister.

Warner oversaw the main soccer body for North America and the Caribbean for almost three decades before resigning last year from FIFA, soccer's international governing body, to avoid investigation following a bribery scandal. He denies wrongdoing.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Football supporter on June 27, 2012, 07:33:43 PM
Banana Republic


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s54z7tIeugs



Chorus:
Banana Republic
Septic Isle
Screaming in the suffering sea
It sounds like crying
Everywhere I go
Everywhere I see
The black and blue uniforms
Police and priests

And I wonder do you wonder
While you're sleeping with your whore
That sharing beds with history
Is like a-licking running sores
Forty shades of green yeah
Sixty shades of red
Heroes going cheap these days
Price; a bullet in the head

repeat chorus

Take your hand and lead you
Up a garden path
Let me stand aside here
And watch you pass
Striking up a soldier's song
I know that tune
It begs too many questions
And answers too,

repeat chorus

The purple and the pinstripe
Mutely shake their heads
A silence shrieking volumes
A violence worse than the condemned
Stab you in the back yeah
Laughing in your face
Glad to see the place again
It's a pity nothing's changed
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: truetrini on June 27, 2012, 07:35:35 PM
p.s.  The same ministry of national security sent the soldiers to dismantle the illegal structures of the Jamaat some years ago...where was the public hue and cry then?

Yuh mean de same Jamettes who was engaged in criminal activity and treason?



Before the treason breds, way before the treason.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: truetrini on June 27, 2012, 07:37:58 PM
Whether Jack was in his rights or not, it was tactically naive. His grandstanding yet again brings shame on T&T.

This from ABC web news in USA:

Ex-Soccer Chief Uses Troops on Trinidad Protest

PORT-OF-SPAIN, Trinidad June 27, 2012 (AP)

Former FIFA Vice President Jack Warner has called in troops and riot police to remove a protest camp built by environmentalists in his first move as national security minister.

Dozens of soldiers and police razed the three-month-old camp built to protest construction of a highway critics say will damage a watershed.

Warner is defending Wednesday's action and says he has the support of Works Minister Emmanuel George.

But former attorney general Ramesh Lawrence Maharaj says Warner violated Trinidad's constitution because police and army officers are not supposed to take orders from a minister.

Warner oversaw the main soccer body for North America and the Caribbean for almost three decades before resigning last year from FIFA, soccer's international governing body, to avoid investigation following a bribery scandal. He denies wrongdoing.

That news was sent from local reps with an axe to grind..Let me make it clear that I am not defending Jack warner he is a c**t in my book..and a cow's c**t at that.

I will however defer to Ramesh...I remember taking orders from the Minister in T&T  maybe I was led astray, how is it that the smae Minister can order troops to patrol the streets to curtail or in an attempt to curtail crime yet according to Ramesha nd others he cannot order the Defense Forces?

makes no sense does it?
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Bakes on June 27, 2012, 08:04:25 PM
p.s.  The same ministry of national security sent the soldiers to dismantle the illegal structures of the Jamaat some years ago...where was the public hue and cry then?

Yuh mean de same Jamettes who was engaged in criminal activity and treason?



Before the treason breds, way before the treason.

As I said... criminal activity and treason.

FS also beat me to posting the ABC News link... that alone tells you that what happened today in Debe is not at all commonplace.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: truetrini on June 27, 2012, 08:08:04 PM
Nonsense it is commonplace and the Jamaat had their compund demolished for sauattiung and illegally ocupying State lands, ironic is that they are still there and won a judgement against the State..imagine that  theyw ere also sued for damage to POS etc and yet..they are still there.

The last Government did the same removing squatters etc...

In fact just recently in St Anns people had their shops destroyed by the polcie on orders from the Mayor Lee Sing
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Football supporter on June 27, 2012, 08:38:40 PM
I'm just guessing here, but in times of extreme danger to the Republic, such as the coup, the Government can take control of the Security services, like during the SOE.
They can also determine specific agendas, I believe, but those decisions have to be ratified by something like a two thirds vote in parliament. (I'm just guessing here, so I could be wrong) but I know in UK at times of civil unrest such as a national strike or the fireman's strike, the gov't mobilised the army.

But this is an individual minister acting without the agreement of PM or Cabinet. That, I believe, is the difference.
It may be the case that there have been similar instances in T&T before, but that ain't making the news. Now throw Mr Warner into the mix and it's headlines. Yes, his haters will fuel the fire...which is why I always maintained Jack should have emptied the skeletons from his closet before he got into politics.

And I don't believe Dora The Explorer was so naive that she didn't forsee Jack making headlines around the world. After all, she admitted she assessed every appointment thoroughly before the announcement. So what's her game? Or did she have no choice?
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: truetrini on June 27, 2012, 08:58:54 PM
I'm just guessing here, but in times of extreme danger to the Republic, such as the coup, the Government can take control of the Security services, like during the SOE.
They can also determine specific agendas, I believe, but those decisions have to be ratified by something like a two thirds vote in parliament. (I'm just guessing here, so I could be wrong) but I know in UK at times of civil unrest such as a national strike or the fireman's strike, the gov't mobilised the army.

But this is an individual minister acting without the agreement of PM or Cabinet. That, I believe, is the difference.
It may be the case that there have been similar instances in T&T before, but that ain't making the news. Now throw Mr Warner into the mix and it's headlines. Yes, his haters will fuel the fire...which is why I always maintained Jack should have emptied the skeletons from his closet before he got into politics.

And I don't believe Dora The Explorer was so naive that she didn't forsee Jack making headlines around the world. After all, she admitted she assessed every appointment thoroughly before the announcement. So what's her game? Or did she have no choice?

seems more and more likely, in the absence of pure madness or pure beh beh ness  dat he ahs some serious files in truth.   How the hell is this man a Minister in a civilized Green Fig Republic?
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: asylumseeker on June 27, 2012, 09:00:38 PM
I took a cursory look at the Defence Act ... Chapter 14:01 ... Ramesh can't be right re: it is unconstitutional for "a Minister" to give the DF a directive (if indeed that's what he stated) ...
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: truetrini on June 27, 2012, 09:02:14 PM
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Breaking-News---Jack-Orders-Demolotion-of-Highway-Re-Route-Camp-in-Debe-160522685.html

Latest - COP Condemns Demolition of Highway Re-Route Camp in Debe

 By Richard Charan



Story Created: Jun 27, 2012 at 10:36 AM ECT
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Story Updated: Jun 27, 2012 at 3:31 PM ECT )


The Congress of the People (COP) has expressed alarm over the destruction of the camp of the Highway Re-Route Movement and detention of group leader Dr. Wayne Kublalsingh.
 
The COP issued a statement today, recommending an immediate end to the confrontational approach and a speedy resolution through dialogue and consultation.
 
The COP, a coalition member on the Peoples Partnership Government, was also concerned that National Security Minister Jack Warner and Minister in the National Security Ministry Colin Partap, were "involved in essentially a police-military operation, given the Constitutional separation of the roles of elected and coercive arms of the state".
 
The COP issued the statement in response to the actions of Warner who, in one of his first official acts as National Security Minister, Jack Warner today instructed and supervised the demolishing, by soldiers and police officers, of the Highway Re-route Movement's protest camp in Debe.
 
Warner was also there when the group's leader, environmental activist Dr Wayne Kublalsingh was arrested when he entered the campsite while it was being torn apart, and threw himself in the path of a bulldozer, ripping apart a prayer room.
 
The group is accused of squatting on State lands.

Warner, who was accompanied by Minister in the National Security Ministry Collin Partap, was verbally abused by many.
 
Some members cried and begged that he give them until noon to remove the camp. Warner stood firm and did not respond.
 
Instead, he greeted soldiers and police officers and spoke with officials of OAS Constructura, the main contractor hired to build the $7.2 billion highway.
 
Kublalsingh was taken to the charge room of the San Fernando Police Station. He may appear in court this afternoon.
 
Warner is planning to host a press conference on the demolition today.

Senior counsel Ramesh Lawrence Maharaj is expected to visit the protest site this afternoon, to speak on behalf of members.
 
Oilfields Workers' Trade Union president General Ancel Roget and leader of the Movement for Social Justice David Abdulah who visited the site, condemned the action and called for Warner's removal as National Security Minister.
 
Warner, who was sworn in as National Security Minister on Monday, had several confrontations with Kublalsingh and members of the Highway Re-Route Movement, while he was the Minister of Works and Infrastructure.
 
The group is opposed to the construction of the Debe to Mon Desir segment of the Solomon Hochoy Highway extension to Point Fortin.
 
The protest campsite was said to be holding up construction of the highway extension to Mon Desir, costing the State millions of dollars.
 
On Tuesday, Kublalsingh said he knew of the plan to destroy the camp. He had then congratulated newly-appointed Minister of Works Emmanuel George and asked that he listen to the group's concerns.
 
Kublalsingh said he intended to write the new minister outlining the group's reasons for protesting against the construction.
 
"We will write him a letter to find out what is the Government's current position.
 
Three months ago the prime minister did say that she will put the project on hold, as reviews it. We have been writing letters to the prime minister, asking her the status of the review, but we have not gotten a response. We want to know the status of that review," he said.
 
Kublalsingh had said Warner was not concerned about the plight of members of the Highway Re-Route Movement.
 
"We have had enormous difficulty with Mr Warner. He has accused us of fire-bombing, which is false. He accused us of being professionally paid protesters. He accused us of joining the OWTU to overthrow the Government and he also accused us of joining a terrorist group in Fyzabad. So I don't think that is the correct way to conduct the affairs of the country," he had said.
 
Kublalsingh had said, "The fast came about because of Mr Warner's statements. We understand that the Government intends to come and break the camp. Every evening we have prayer service in the Muslim, Hindu, and Christian faiths asking for protection, not just for the camp but for the Oropouche lagoon and affected communities.”
 
Shortly before 6 a.m today, more than 20 soldiers based at the nearly Camp La Romaine, and more than a dozen police officers arrived at the camp site and found no more than five persons who had spent the night there. The soldiers ordered members out of the camp and began knocking it down. Warner arrived soon after and looked on as the debris was loaded onto trucks and carted away.
 
Kublalsingh arrived about an hour later, and rushed onto the site.

He was grabbed by soldiers, but was able to wriggle free and fell into a culvert as he was being led away. He was snatched a second time and handcuffed to a police officer.
 
It took three hours for the camp to be demolished. During that time, group member Elizabeth Rambharose and another activist sat at the centre of the demolition activity.
 
With images of the Hindu incarnations of God in hand, they prayed and sang until police officers and other group members convinced them to leave the site.
 
Kublalsingh was released without charge this afternoon, and is expected to meet with Highway Re-Route members tonight.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: weary1969 on June 27, 2012, 09:54:28 PM
Well I decided 2 take in happy hour 2nite i.e. d 700 news. Only 2 hear that at 530 am all this go on. U can  imagine ow much I will miss when I am out of the country.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Bakes on June 27, 2012, 10:37:31 PM
Nonsense it is commonplace and the Jamaat had their compund demolished for sauattiung and illegally ocupying State lands, ironic is that they are still there and won a judgement against the State..imagine that  theyw ere also sued for damage to POS etc and yet..they are still there.

The last Government did the same removing squatters etc...

In fact just recently in St Anns people had their shops destroyed by the polcie on orders from the Mayor Lee Sing

Uhm... not sure what, if anything this has to do with anything.  The Re-route protesters weren't "sauattiung" on state lands.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: truetrini on June 27, 2012, 10:42:45 PM
They were squatting on State lands and were duly removed...where were they encamped then if not on State Lands.  They built structures illegally did they not?  They were blocking Cabinet approved contruction right?

Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Football supporter on June 27, 2012, 10:45:56 PM
I took a cursory look at the Defence Act ... Chapter 14:01 ... Ramesh can't be right re: it is unconstitutional for "a Minister" to give the DF a directive (if indeed that's what he stated) ...

Well, Maraj was Attorney General and he seems pretty smart to me. I'm confident that he would not make such an inflamatory public statement unless he was sure he was correct. As opposed to Jack who says whatever he feels like saying because he knows the press won't bother checking.

And on the subject of press, I saw Kamla addressing the IPI conference today. All those journos from across the world promoting transparency couldn't muster one question for the PM about Jack?  ???
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: truetrini on June 27, 2012, 11:01:24 PM
The real question is whether Jack called the military for support, that is within his right!

I saw a picxture and The Chief of Defense Staff was right there present with Jack and Partap

If he is there directing the operation that can be tricky as he may not be well informed on military or police procedure.

Jack as Minister can use the military for civil enforecement according to the constitution.  I doh care what Ramesh says.

That si why we need Constitutional reform in T&T badly.

The fact is that soldiers and Coast Guardsmen are NOT trained in law enforcement and should NOT except in cases of National  Emergency be out mixiing with police arresting people etc.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: truetrini on June 27, 2012, 11:05:08 PM
'I don't fear backlash' for taking action

 By Joel Julien joel.julien@trinidadexpress.com



Story Created: Jun 27, 2012 at 11:52 PM ECT
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Story Updated: Jun 27, 2012 at 11:52 PM ECT )


NATIONAL Security Minister Jack Warner yesterday said his decision to order the demolition of the Highway Re-Route Movement's camp in Debe was nothing personal but, instead, was motivated by the need for national development.
 
Less than 24 hours after officially taking over the reins of the National Security Ministry, Warner yesterday ordered and oversaw the demolition of a camp belonging to a group of protesters that he faced off with in his previous position as Works and Infrastructure minister.
 
On Tuesday, Warner gave up his position as Works and Infrastructure minister and assumed the role of National Security Minister.
 
On his first official day as National Security Minister, Warner held a meeting with the heads of all arms in his ministry.
 
Among the issues discussed during that meeting was the construction of three police academies across the country, including one in "deep South".
 
Warner said this issue sparked the decision to destroy the protesters' camp.

"Then it struck me that here we go again, putting another institution in deep South and there are no roads, and the traffic congestion would increase almost ten-fold, so suddenly, it dawned on me that we should try to settle this issue about the highway to Point Fortin," Warner said.
 
"This was a sudden thing that came up (on Tuesday); in fact, I began by apologising to you for being here (in two news conferences in less than 24 hours), so if people want to interpret it otherwise, I cannot help that, but it has nothing to do with victimisation; this is national development, and I cannot sub- scribe to the view of victimisation; there is nothing to be gained by victimisation, and if there is a backlash, I have to learn to live with that. I cannot afford to run this ministry, or even my life, based on the fears of backlash; that is not how I do things," he said.
 
Warner yesterday set out the timeline of how he arrived at the decision to order the demolition of the protesters' camp.
 
"I called the Minister of Works and Infrastructure, Senator Emmanuel George, and I asked him if he is prepared to continue the highway at the same pace that it has been started, and he said he had no objection and, in fact, he would like my assistance at having the matter resolved," Warner said.
 
Warner then called Chief of Defence Staff Brigadier Kenrick Maharaj and informed him of the plan to demolish the protesters' camp.
 
Both Warner and Minister in the Ministry of National Security Collin Partap accompanied the soldiers to the protesters' campsite.
 
"I was there because I asked the army at the very last minute and they agreed to do it, and I just wanted to make sure that everything was done properly because in my humble view, I did not give them enough time, and I felt that since that was the case, I should be there with them to make sure they had moral support and everything was done properly, and in any event, the army falls under this ministry," Warner said.
 
When he arrived at the campsite around 5.30 a.m. yesterday, Warner said the protesters were "extremely abusive" and accused their leader, Dr Wayne Kublalsingh, of physical violence.
 
"Dr Kublalsingh arrived and he tried to run his motor vehicle into the army truck. He did not succeed because there was a mound of dirt that prevented him. Then he came out of his vehicle, rushed the soldiers and he slapped one of them. They did not retaliate; they held him, they wrestled with him and then he was finally taken down to San Fernando Police Station," Warner said.
 
Kublalsingh was eventually released without being charged.

An army camp will be constructed on the site of the demolished protesters' camp.
 
"As it stands today, the camp has been demolished; an army camp would be on the spot, and the army camp shall move as fast and as often as the contractors want to move; the army camp shall also make sure that any other facility of that kind, that any effort made to erect one subsequent to today, that shall also be demolished, and that there shall be no more attempts of any kind to erect any camp along the right of way of the highway," he said.
 
In response to claims made by former attorney general, Senior Counsel Ramesh Lawrence Maharaj that the camp demolition was "unconstitutional", Warner said:
 
"I have not heard nor read what he has said. What I do know, however, is if any laws have been breached, then there are ways of having that resolved. My advice has been and continues to be that the lands belong to the Government and that the campers and occupiers are there illegally, and the best advice I can give is the one given to me by the AG (attorney general) that they (the campers) are there illegally. If Mr Maharaj has another point of view, then he is free to pursue it."
 
Warner yesterday said Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar was not informed of his plan to destroy the protesters' camp but said he would send a note to her about the entire ordeal.


http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/_I_don_t_fear_backlash__for_taking_action-160631105.html
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: truetrini on June 28, 2012, 12:12:27 AM
Quote
“We are not going to comment on the political factors governing this issue. We are here to remove the structure in support of the Government’s intention. “We had one mission here to undertake, and it was to remove the structures.” Col Anthony Phillips-Spencer said the army had an obligation to support civil authority. “We act in support of that...We are given instructions, and this mission is being carried out within the ambit of proper military operation,” he said.

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2012-06-28/army-police-rout-highway-protesters
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Brownsugar on June 28, 2012, 04:53:15 AM
Quote
“We are not going to comment on the political factors governing this issue. We are here to remove the structure in support of the Government’s intention. “We had one mission here to undertake, and it was to remove the structures.” Col Anthony Phillips-Spencer said the army had an obligation to support civil authority. “We act in support of that...We are given instructions, and this mission is being carried out within the ambit of proper military operation,” he said.

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2012-06-28/army-police-rout-highway-protesters

So let me see if I get this.  A Minister could instruct the army?  Ok.  So Jack was right to call them out.  OK.    What about the police??  He could instruct them too?? 

Hear nah if its one thing, this PP government forcing me to learn all kinda thing bout we rights and the constitution......
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: truetrini on June 28, 2012, 07:29:02 AM
To tell you the truth.  The minister for years had been instructing from prisons to police.  Of out is illegal or not who knows?

He is the one who gives them funds, promotes, approves courses etc.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: truetrini on June 28, 2012, 07:30:52 AM
It just illustrates that to some, the ends justifies the means.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: asylumseeker on June 28, 2012, 08:18:01 AM
I took a cursory look at the Defence Act ... Chapter 14:01 ... Ramesh can't be right re: it is unconstitutional for "a Minister" to give the DF a directive (if indeed that's what he stated) ...

Well, Maraj was Attorney General and he seems pretty smart to me. I'm confident that he would not make such an inflamatory public statement unless he was sure he was correct. As opposed to Jack who says whatever he feels like saying because he knows the press won't bother checking.

And on the subject of press, I saw Kamla addressing the IPI conference today. All those journos from across the world promoting transparency couldn't muster one question for the PM about Jack?  ???

FS, I doh have all day wid you yuh know. Yuh taking me off task. :)

7. (1) There is established a Defence Council (in this Act, referred to as “the Council”) consisting of—
(a) the Minister, who shall be the Chairman;
(b) two other members of the Cabinet appointed by
the Prime Minister, one of whom shall be the
Vice-Chairman;
(c) the Chief of Defence Staff;
(d) the Permanent Secretary in the Ministry responsible for the Trinidad and Tobago Defence Force, who shall be the Secretary.

...

8. (1) Subject to subsection (2), the Council shall be responsible under the general authority of the Minister for the command, administration and discipline of and all other matters relating to the Force.
(2) The responsibility of the Council shall not extend to the operational use of the Force for which responsibility shall vest in the Chief of Defence Staff subject to the general or special directions of the Minister.


“Minister” means the member of Cabinet responsible for the subject of defence;
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: zuluwarrior on June 28, 2012, 09:28:57 AM
These people was squating on state lands and i believe there is a law about that . I believe the law states   a

 summons should be served to the law breaker to attend the courts before a judge to defend his or her actions,  if the actions of the law breaker  is not satisfying to the judge then  a decision would be made .

This is my feelings under the watch of this security LAWLESS  minister,  tax payers would pay dearly for his over performance .
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Deeks on June 28, 2012, 04:02:02 PM
Allyuh know I eh like Renraw at all. But I glad he do that. because if Martin Joseph had done that, Kamla and them would have cried bloody murder. GOPIO would have sent international news how the PNM discriminating against central people. When Patos was about to build the smelter all ah them march and block the smelter. Funny thing most of them who use to support Kulnalsingh, now mute. The highway is for progress. The smelter was not. Now ah want him to go Laventy and buss some of the criminals head. And if  he does that I would not shed ah f--king tear for them people in Bel-La-Mor. Because Patos used to to beg them socalled community leaders. "oh, gorm , allyuh, behave allyuh self nah". They don't listen. They just devouring everybody. They need bootoo, because they doh care. take wood in allyuh arse. Ah want to hear Makandal go say now.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: asylumseeker on June 29, 2012, 07:30:28 AM
It just illustratees that to some, the ends justifies the means.

It's definitely a case of if yuh want something done, do it yourself.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: warmonga on June 29, 2012, 10:53:52 AM
action I like seeing.. .. .. good job jack "action" warner.. 
warmonga
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: E-man on June 29, 2012, 06:56:48 PM
And I don't believe Dora The Explorer was so naive that she didn't forsee Jack making headlines around the world. After all, she admitted she assessed every appointment thoroughly before the announcement. So what's her game? Or did she have no choice?

This Dora has forgotten her line "Swiper, no swiping!"

http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6789072/dora-the-explorer-movie-trailer-with-ariel-winter
Title: Warner to Gibbs and cops: Keep crime down, and be my friend
Post by: Socapro on June 29, 2012, 11:32:53 PM
No one can tell me that T&T is not a happy place!!

Just listen to what Renraw one of the biggest criminals around say to Gibbs the useless Police Commissioner who is in T&T on a retirement holiday that boasts his pension!!   :D

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2012-06-30/warner-gibbs-and-cops-keep-crime-down-and-be-my-friend

Warner to Gibbs and cops: Keep crime down, and be my friend
Published: Saturday, June 30, 2012
Geisha Kowlessar


National Security Minister Jack Warner yesterday read the riot act to Police Commissioner Dwayne Gibbs and his charges, vowing that if crime is not reduced he will become their enemy. Murders, Warner said, had become so frequent that they triggered serious cause for concern, especially over the performance of the police.
 
Warner was speaking at the launch of the Police Caravan at the Brian Lara Promenade, Port-of-Spain, yesterday. Speaking directly to Gibbs, Warner said: “With me, you and your men would have quite a friend...anything you can do to reduce crime in this country, Commissioner, I shall be your friend. “But I tell you openly that if the crime in this country does not go down, I shall be every policeman’s enemy.”
 
The days of police driving with their windows up have also ended, as Warner told them to get out of their tinted  vehicles and walk the streets. “I expect the policemen to drive not in their air-conditioned vehicle, but with their glass down, and to ask the neighbours, ‘How are you, my friend? How are the children?’ “Leave your vehicles, men, walk the street sometimes and shake people’s hand. That must not be the exception, my friends in the Police Service, that must be the norm.”
 
He also chastised police who, because of their rank and role in specialised sections, believed community policing was not for them. “Once you have on the police uniform, whether SRP (Special Reserve Police) or regular, you are community police,” Warner said. “All police officers must behave in a way where they can regain the public’s trust once more...they must help to bring back the country from fear.”
 
Warner also threw his full support behind the Police Caravan, but warned that it must bring results for citizens. “We must have a murder-free week, a murder-free fortnight, a murder-free month and then a murder-free year...nothing less is accepted,” he said. He reminisced about his childhood days,  saying that at the age of ten his greatest desire was to become a police officer.
 
This desire, Warner said, sprouted  when the police band came to his rural community of  Rio Claro to play for  villagers. “And today I ask myself, where have we gone wrong? Where have the police gone? Here now I am the National Security Minister and my role is to develop the Police Service to what it was in the old days.” He said in the “old days,” crime was at an all-time low because there was peace, love and trust.
 
“Whatever was good in the past and worked well we must take that and make it work now.” Warner also called on the community and stakeholders to strengthen ties with the Police Service. Deputy Police Commissioner Jack Ewatski welcomed Warner’s stance, saying accountability was vital. Tackling crime, Ewatski added, was an ongoing process which included reviewing initiatives.
 
MORE INFO
 
The Police Caravan is aimed at sensitising members of the public about the roles and functions of different units within the Police Service and foster greater community  relations. It will be moving to south Trinidad  next.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: MEP on June 29, 2012, 11:58:31 PM
Allyuh doh worry....jack do make heself Chief of the Armed forces and declare the gov't unconstitutional and make himself  PM for Life
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: asylumseeker on June 30, 2012, 09:36:37 AM
Excerpted from an article (regarding the shooting of an armed assailant) in today's Express:

Quote
Gregory Aboud, president of the Downtown Owners and Merchants Association (DOMA), was also on the scene yesterday and spoke to reporters: "The country is dangerous; we can't change that fact," said Aboud.
 
He added, "We can't hide from the fact that parking lots, in general, are extremely dangerous, and this is not the only parking lot in Trinidad that is dangerous because, in fact, this should be a warning to all persons who leave their cars in parking lots that it is dangerous, regardless of whether you are in Port of Spain or a shopping mall."
 
Aboud, however, said he is cautiously confident in the appointment of Jack Warner as the new National Security Minister.
 
"Mr Warner's credentials precede him in his desire to be an action man, but I must say, we are very cautious in our optimism."
 
He added, "Because the fact of the matter, if you have sent (Brian) Lara in to bat with a coconut branch, you would end up facing the same difficult prospects, which are that the management system of our protective services is defective, and the good officers or the great officers are not being recognised, and as a result, they are demotivated, and unless we fix that, Mr Warner is going to have a very difficult time."
 
Port of Spain CID officers are continuing investigations
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: zuluwarrior on June 30, 2012, 01:38:25 PM
We national security minister said if alyuh feel what you see the other day was somthing alyuh eh see notting yet .

 
Welcome ,welcome ,welcome, welcome  to the pappy show
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: truetrini on July 01, 2012, 11:49:51 AM
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/commentaries/Return_of_Sheriff_Lobo-160978685.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

Return of Sheriff Lobo

 By Raffique Shah



Story Created: Jun 30, 2012 at 11:51 PM ECT
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Story Updated: Jun 30, 2012 at 11:51 PM ECT )


WHAT more must Jack Warner do to prove that he is unfit to be this country's Minister of National Security? Declare war on Tobago or Venezuela or Barbados? Introduce a death squad to go around executing persons he suspects of being criminals or gangsters? Arrest and detain persons perceived to be opponents of the People's Partnership Government?
 
Those who think I may be jesting by posing the above questions, think again. Here's a man who, before he breached the Constitution by accompanying soldiers in a controversial, and quite possibly illegal, operation last Wednesday, explained the genesis of his misdeed this way: I was lying on my bed and thinking.... He could have paraphrased calypsonian Bomber, "Ah dreamin' in mih dream, ah bounce up Burroughs...."
 
You take it upon yourself to summon the Chief of Defence Staff, no less, and ask (or order?) him to provide a contingent of armed soldiers. With pipsqueak Collin Partap in tow, you accompany the troops to Debe to commit what, prima facie, appears to be an unlawful act.
 
You mad, or what? It did not occur to you that what you were about to do was not clear a blocked drain or debris from a road or meet with some villagers and promise them road repairs? That you were tampering with the army, not with a division of the Ministry of Works? It never dawned on you that there are constitutional provisions that govern relations between the executive arm of the state and the coercive arms, the Defence Force and Protective Services? That there is something called the separation of powers? That the correct procedure was to report the offending, and quite possibly illegal camp to Police Commissioner Dwayne Gibbs and ask him to have it removed forthwith?
 
I guess not. A disturbed mind driven by vengeance, by pettiness, by arrogance, can be a most potent political cocktail. The last time something comparable with this abuse of authority happened was back in 1964 when Patrick Solomon, the PNM Minister of Home Affairs, went into a police station where his stepson had been detained and ordered the police to release the boy.
 


That created a big stink, but Dr Eric Williams refused to fire Solomon. He did however relieve him of the security portfolio, shifting him to External Affairs. Sparrow immortalised the PM's dictatorial response in song, "...who doh like it, get to hell outa here...." I need add that PNM supporters stood solidly behind "de Doctah" and his malfeasance.
 
The Warner incident is a case of "same difference". Jack could not believe his good fortune when Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar intimated to him that she would appoint him Minister of National Security. Deep in his heart he remained the SRP he was once upon a time, serge-suit, torchlight, baton et al, and now, abracadabra, the PM had magically transformed him into his old alter ego, the bungling Sheriff Lobo.
 
Now he could settle some long overdue "scores", get back at persons who disrespected or abused or slighted him. Start with Wayne Kublalsingh, an easy, lightweight target who would herald the return of Lobo. From there, the sky would be the limit. He could lock up the whole Strike Squad. He could silence journalist Lasana Liburd. Hell, he might even muster the Lobo-authority to hit Chuck Blazer and Sepp Blatter some serious "calpets".
 
Look, Jack is entitled to fulfill his wildest fantasies, however bizarre they may be. But damn it, not at the expense of the image and the reputation of Trinidad and Tobago. When the PM named him to the security portfolio, media reports, many of them carried in reputable international publications, referred to the "disgraced former FIFA vice president" being elevated to head national security in Trinidad and Tobago. They were laughing at us. Ah shame.
 
And you know what was worse than Lobo's first faux pas? The sorry spectacle of his Cabinet colleagues, to a spineless man and woman, defending the indefensible. How could the Attorney General, a man supposedly versed in law, see nothing wrong with Jack's gross violation of fundamental provisions of the Constitution? One might forgive the ignorance of others like new Works Minister Mano George, whom Jack claimed to have consulted before he donned his Lobo-gear fo-day morning to assault the camp. Mano is no lawyer. In fact, I don't know what he is. Roodal Moonilal, too, swears that by his unconstitutional action, Jack prevented civil war in Debe. AG Anand Ramlogan insists there was no breach of convention or constitution although several learned attorneys have said otherwise. In other words, just as in the "Solomon affair", once you are in power you can do no wrong.
 


As I stated earlier, the issue here is not the highway or Kublalsingh's camp. A highway linking deep-South Trinidad to the rest of the country is 50 years overdue. I cannot say if the Re-Route Movement is justified in its claims that building it the way Government proposes would damage sensitive ecology. Or that their alternative is workable and cheaper. Qualified professionals must pronounce on matters like these.
 
The issue at hand is far bigger than the Point Fortin highway. But it is also far simpler. It is about right and wrong. It is about abuse of authority, this time around in the sensitive area of national security. While Cabinet makes policy decisions that determine the actions of the police and the army, ministers do not participate in or direct the operations of these arms of the state. It's that simple. I shan't waste time appealing to the Prime Minister to fire Lobo. The day he shows up, police in tow, with a warrant for her arrest, she may get a rude awakening.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Bakes on July 01, 2012, 11:57:54 AM
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Return of Sheriff Lobo

 By Raffique Shah

...And you know what was worse than Lobo's first faux pas? The sorry spectacle of his Cabinet colleagues, to a spineless man and woman, defending the indefensible. How could the Attorney General, a man supposedly versed in law, see nothing wrong with Jack's gross violation of fundamental provisions of the Constitution? One might forgive the ignorance of others like new Works Minister Mano George, whom Jack claimed to have consulted before he donned his Lobo-gear fo-day morning to assault the camp. Mano is no lawyer. In fact, I don't know what he is. Roodal Moonilal, too, swears that by his unconstitutional action, Jack prevented civil war in Debe. AG Anand Ramlogan insists there was no breach of convention or constitution although several learned attorneys have said otherwise. In other words, just as in the "Solomon affair", once you are in power you can do no wrong.

LOL  :rotfl:
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Brownsugar on July 01, 2012, 12:33:11 PM
Mih eh know what Raffique shame for....Raffique eh hear the man hard wukking!!!....

Meanwhile....sing de chorus people....."Pappyshow, welcome to the pappy show....."
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Bourbon on July 01, 2012, 12:36:40 PM
Any time I find myself agreeing with Anand Ramlogan...I automatically recheck my position.


Oh well.

Shaq here.....we'll be saved.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Football supporter on July 02, 2012, 07:29:17 AM
New Crime Initiative?

http://wired868.com/868/index.php/view-point/item/197-tt-ponders-17th-century-policing-initiative
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: truetrini on July 02, 2012, 06:41:50 PM
Mr Warner’s trial run

 By Micharl Harris

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Story Created: Jul 1, 2012 at 11:08 PM ECT
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Story Updated: Jul 1, 2012 at 11:08 PM ECT )

“If allyuh believe what you saw in Debe, allyuh haven't seen anything yet; mark my words."
Minister of National Security,
Jack Warner.

There can be no question that the howls of outrage and anger with which many have reacted to Mr Warner’s early morning escapade in Debe are entirely justified. For if we truly understood what Mr Warner’s actions signified, we would know that they are deserving of the unqualified condemnation of the entire population.
But even as we call for Jack’s head we need to be very clear as to why we have to do so lest, by confusing the issues, we not only give him the opportunity to wriggle out of the noose but diminish the gravity of his actions as well.
Condemnation of Mr Warner has nothing to do with the fact that he saw fit to demolish the camp of the Highway Re-Route Movement. Whether we support the Re-Route Movement or not, we should admit that the protesters must have been well aware, when they set up their campsite directly in the proposed highway route, and on State lands to boot, that they were doing something that was illegal and that, should they be unable to sway the Government to their position, the time would come when they would have to be forcibly removed.
It may even be that it was an outcome for which they themselves were hoping so as to give renewed momentum and fuel to an issue which thus far, and in spite of extraordinary media attention, had signally failed to ignite the sustained interest of the population. Nor should we be too perturbed that, in the demolition of the campsite, a space of religious worship was destroyed. Religious places and spaces, whether Christian, Hindu or Muslim, are not sanctuaries for acts of illegality.
While, for aspiring politicians, these issues may seem like rich fodder for agitation and legal action, they do not even come close to approximating the true horror that Mr Warner has unleashed upon us and we must resist the temptation to elevate the cause of the protesters above what is really the more alarming issue in this matter.
What Mr Warner did in simple terms, and by his own admission, was to, without even the cover of a State of Emergency, take it upon himself to call out armed soldiers to mount a military sortie against civilians engaged in an entirely civil and non-violent protest.
In the first place the Defence Force, and in particular the Regiment, is a military force charged with the defence of Trinidad and Tobago and with such other duties as may from time to time be defined by the Defence Council. These duties do not and cannot include military action against citizens except in cases of armed insurrection against the state or in the context of the declaration of a State of Emergency.
Second, no minister of government, acting on his own, has the authority to order or even request the Defence Force to engage in any action or to assign to them duties not authorised by the Defence Council. The Minister of National Security is the head of the Defence Council but he cannot act unilaterally in assigning duties to the Defence Force without the sanction of the Council.

So, in doing what he did last week, not only did Mr Warner breach the law of the land, and not only did he usurp the authority of the Defence Council (and, by extension, the powers of the President, who is constitutionally the Commander in Chief of the Defence Force), both of which constitute acts of serious misfeasance, but, even more alarming, is the fact that by his actions, he set a dangerous precedent the full ramifications of which are frightening to contemplate.
Let us be serious here. If a minister of government can pick up the phone and call the head of the Regiment and instruct him (or advise him or request him) to send armed soldiers against civilians, for whatever reason, and that officer complies with that request without the sanction of the Defence Council, then we have reached the stage where we are no longer a nation operating under the rule of law but we are now a country subject only to the rule of force.
And when that force is superior to all other armed forces in the land and is commanded by an individual who acts on his own volition without the approval or even the knowledge of the Prime Minister, without the approval or knowledge of the Parliament, then what has occurred is a coup. The fact that this coup was used in this instance, only to rout the Re-Route protesters, should not blind us to its essential nature.
In the face of the enormity of this reality I join with the Leader of the Opposition or Dr Keith Rowley, in demanding that the Prime Minister publicly confirm her Government's commitment to the observation of and respect for the independence of the police and the Defence Force and for the rule of law in general.
But I go further. For any avowed commitment by the Prime Minister to the rule of law must be demonstrated by swift and positive action. Her first step must be to remove Mr Warner not only from his ministerial position, but entirely from the Cabinet.

The Prime Minister must then request the President to convene an independent commission of enquiry to investigate this affair and to give recommendations as to whether and what charges must be brought against Mr Warner and against Brigadier General Kenrick Maharaj.
If the Prime Minister should consider refusing such a request, for reasons of her political survival, she should, for a moment, ponder this. Mr Warner, without her knowledge or authorisation, sought and obtained armed soldiers to carry out acts against persons in the civilian population. For him this may simply have been a trial run.
If he is allowed to get away with this then his words used in the quotation at the start of this column may well become prophetic, and the next time it happens, she may just find him knocking on her door at the break of dawn one fateful morning. And if she thinks that cannot happen here let her remember that that is exactly what people said before 1990.

—Michael Harris has been for many years a writer and commentator on
politics and society in Trinidad and the wider Caribbean.
Title: Jack’s lawlessness and Corruptibility
Post by: Flex on July 04, 2012, 04:58:43 AM
Jack’s lawlessness and Corruptibility.
By Dr. Selwyn R. Cudjoe.


Life in T&T is very funny business. Yo know way yo going; yo don’t know where yo’ likely to reach. The government declares a state of emergency, arrests over 8,000 black young men under the guises that they are/may be criminals. No charges made, no apologies offered and no compensation paid.

In fact, we are told by the AG that if dey tink dey go make any money off the state for these illegal arrests, dey lie. He waiting for them. He would release the legal power of the state against them. They had better not even think about seeking compensation.

Andrew Jennings is an investigative sports reporter who, as a blurb on the back cover of his book Foul! says “has spent years delving into the dark side of the beautiful game” of soccer. In his book, he spends a lot of time documenting the corrupt practices of FIFA – the subtitle of his book is entitled Bribes, Vote Rigging and Ticket Scandals– and some time on the misdeeds of Jack Warner and his son Daryan.

First, Daryan and World Cup 2006. Jennings reports that at a FIFA executive meeting of December 2006 “They reveal that back in June, when Ernst & Young auditors estimated that Daryan might make a 500,000 pounds [approximately 5 million TT dollars] profit from World Cup deals, the Exco had ordered Simpaul Travel to pay back to FIFA a whooping 754,375 Euros [approximately 5 million TT] which FIFA would, in turn, donate to its favorite charitable, SOS Children’s Village” (pp. 351-2).

“Come December, the Warners had paid only US$250,000 ‘despite numerous reminders.’ Blatter recommended to the Committee that FIFA should in future allocate no tickets to Simpaul. The Committee agreed.”

Jennings quotes an Australian reporter, Jesse Finks who wrote the following: “Warner’s whole journey to the top of Caribbean football has been marked by a readiness to abuse his position. He should tell his son to stop? A father-to-son pep talk? The latest lettuce-flogging of one of its most ethically bankrupt executives has shown FIFA has no willingness to stamp out its own endemic corruption” (p. 352).

The operative words here are the allegations of Warner’s “readiness to abuse his position” and his being one of the most “ethically bankrupt executives” of FIFA.

This was 2006. Come 2010 and there is a devastating hurricane in Haiti. No sooner than he gets the news, Jack flies to Haiti ostensibly to assist. Later we learn that FIFA contributed $250,000 (US) and Korean Football Association $500,000 (US) to assist the victims of the hurricane. All of the money wounded up in a bank account controlled by Jack Warner.

Most of that money never reached its designation.

In 2012 when the scandal broke, Shaun Fuentes, Press Officer of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF), announced: “The TTFF acknowledges it is aware of funds made available by both FIFA and the Korean football federation for its football victims of Haiti’s devastating earthquake in 2010. However, we are unable to confirm the quantum of funds received, as these monies did not go into the account used by the TTFF administration for its day to day operations, but instead to the TTFF’s LOC account as was requested by Mr. Jack Warner.”

“The current executive is unaware of how these funds were distributed or utilized and is awaiting the promised audited accounts from Mr. Warner.”

Then there was the incident with Mohammed Bin Hammam and the distribution of cash gifts of $40,000 to the heads of CONCACAF which led to Mr. Warner’s resignation from FIFA. Even here there seems to be a problem. Police Commissioner, Dwayne Gibbs, says that the case is closed whereas DPP Roger Gaspard says “he never advised the police to stop investigations into allegations of bribery, alleged to have taken place at the Hyatt Regency hotel in Port of Spain on or about May 10, 2011. The allegations involve Works Minister Jack Warner.”

To be sure he was not misunderstood, the DPP emphasized that he had not given instructions to stop the investigation. If the Commissioner says so then he “is inaccurately characterizing the advice that I gave.”

Now that Mr. Warner is theoretically in charge of the person who has inaccurately characterized the DPP’s instructions and who is now forced to do the bidding of the person whom he said was beyond investigating vis-à-vis the contravention of Custom Act, chapter 78:01.” But as the DPP says, “he could only advise, not direct, the police to do an investigation.”

This is where T&T has reached; how muddled its ethical standards have become; and where an “ethically bankrupt” person is placed at the helm of its security forces? The Prime Minister has concluded that all that has been said and written about Mr. Warner are mere allegations which does not warrant that any pause be given to his being made the Minister of National Security.

In making Warner’s appointment, Kamla Persad Bissessar remarked: “It is my respectful view that Mr. Warner is a person of action, and he will be very useful in the Ministry of National Security.” She says she spoke to many persons before concluding that Warner was best fitted for the job which calls into question her judgment since the world has already made its judgment on Warner and it’s negative.

When Jack, the man of action, landed in Haiti in 2008 to help bereaved hurricane victims, he cooed piously: “My friends have told me that they are hungry and in need of basic human supplies. A tide of hungry humanity surrounds me. How can I not hear their cries for help?”

Jack, it seems, used the misery of that hungry humanity to fill his pockets. One wonders how someone described as “ethically bankrupt” and still under investigation by our own legal system can be asked to solve the growing “lawlessness” (his words) that now engulfs our society.

T&T, as my mother would say, “really reach way we going.” It will take more than prayers; Shaq’s hoops; and the prime minister’s piety to curb a lawless society that inundated our society.

Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Brownsugar on July 08, 2012, 08:44:43 AM
Raffique clearly eh get the memo.....Jack is a man of action!!!..... ::) ::).  If this were not serious matters we dealing with....I woulda dead with laughter right now.....


Cry blood, my beloved country
By Raffique Shah


RARELY do I address the same topic for two consecutive weeks, but I feel compelled, in highly unusual circumstances, to alert the nation to the misadventures of National Security Minister Jack Warner. Last week, like many of my columnist colleagues, I took Warner to task over the way he handled the demolition of the Highway Re-Route Movement's shed. In a country that adhered to the rule of law, Warner would have fallen on his own sword on that issue alone.


But this is sweet Trinidad and Tobago where we play mas' year-round, where everything is a fete or a joke, where madness is gladness. To round off on this subject matter, as far as we all knew, and based on statements from other government ministers and officials, the inordinate show of force was triggered by the Re-Route Movement's illegal obstruction of works on the new highway. Right? Wrong!


According to usually loquacious but recently reticent Gary Griffith, the high-command-led attack on Kublalsingh's bamboo-and-tarpaulin shed was a matter of national security. If we are to believe the Griffith, Brigadier Kenrick Maharaj and Colonel Anthony Phillip-Spencer led a section of soldiers (not a platoon or company or battalion) into battle because the Prime Minister's life was under threat. Now, one week ago, we plebes were blissfully unaware that devious elements in Kublalsingh's crew, among them, presumably, those pious-looking women clad in white, had actually threatened to out the PM's light.
This is serious business—except that coming from the mouth of a man who was among those who had, towards the end of the State of Emergency last year, revealed yet another plot against the PM's life, but could not adduce a shred of evidence, we have to ask if this is another deflection or deception. The Captain must know that when you are lying, you have to be consistent. I understand where he is coming from: military officers are trained in the art of deception. It is a critical tool in warfare. But it could be a fatal flaw in the realm of politics.

In other words, Griffith, stop talking spit. And don't even try to tangle with the likes of General Ralph Brown and Brigadier Joseph Theodore—you are way out of your league.
Aside from the crap Griffith tried to peddle as "tooloom", Warner's bungling at National Security hurtled full speed downhill. I cannot help but note that even as Sheriff Lobo trained his guns on Kublalsingh, members of Murder Inc, who are not in the least fazed by his appointment or trembling in his presence, were engaged in an accelerated killing spree. Four killed in one strike; a teenage girl shot and left lying on the road like a stray dog and sundry other shootings, rapes, robberies and other crimes committed as if Jack were still in the box.
So, in the face of this gross disrespect, what does Lobo come up with? Give police officers guns and marked vehicles to take home! You want to tell me this man is not mad. Look, citizens under siege would love to have their friendly neighbourhood cops close by, armed and mobile, ready to respond to lawlessness or crimes in their communities. But how practical is it to arm all off-duty cops and provide them with official vehicles?
People are acutely aware that there are many rogue elements in the service who cannot be trusted even when they are on duty and under supervision. Almost every week officers are arrested and charged with criminal offences—and that's just the tip of a huge iceberg. Alcoholism in the ranks is not quantified, but everyone knows it's at a worrisome level. And far too many police officers, more than likely above the national average, have serious domestic problems that often erupt in violence, sometimes murder-suicide.
In the face of these realities, Warner wants police officers to be armed at all times, even when they are bone-tired or drunk or asleep, or a combination of all three. Madness! Bandits and murderers would have a weapons-gathering spree. They would target officers who are known to keep firearms, and even if some of them die in the process, in the end they would have more weapons in their arsenals.
Allowing officers to keep their vehicles overnight is an even more preposterous proposition. The police have never had sufficient vehicles to carry out their duties effectively and efficiently, and they probably never will. No police force in the world has the wherewithal to equip every officer with a vehicle. This means that vehicles must be shared. So a station with, say, 15 officers, may have two vehicles (if they are lucky).

If Warner's proposal were to be implemented, it would result in one of two scenarios. First, when two officers are off-duty and probably sleeping at home with police vehicles parked outside, the stations have no transportation to effectively service their districts. Or second, Warner persuades Cabinet to purchase 5,000 vehicles or more to ensure that every officer has his own "ride".
Either way, these propositions amount to rank dotishness. What is tragic for the nation, besieged as we are by a seemingly unstoppable crime tsunami, is that while the new minister engages in flights of fancy, we citizens pay the price—in blood, in mindless brutality, and all too often with our lives.

No one expects MinisterWarner to bring overnight solutions to a crime problem that has built up over decades. He has no magic wand, just as his many predecessors had no magical solutions. At the very least, however, citizens expect him to outline some realistic plans, to come up with workable proposals to stem the crime-tide. Instead, he has reduced crime fighting to a comical opera: If you don't laugh, you would cry blood.

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Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Bourbon on July 08, 2012, 10:51:00 AM
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Bring curtain down on Jack Warner talk show

Story Created: Jul 7, 2012 at 10:57 PM ECT

Story Updated: Jul 7, 2012 at 10:57 PM ECT

Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar's appointment of a "man of action" to National Security Minister has projected before the bewildered eyes of Trinidad and Tobago the unwelcomed spectre of a man of talk. In the two weeks since his assignment to the National Security portfolio, Jack Warner has credited to the "action" side of his image hardly more than the soft-target discomfiture of the Highway Re-Route Movement.

The message of that episode told that Mr Warner is ready to cut corners on the way to accomplishing goals deemed by himself to be worthy. Since then, talk and more talk has filled the vacancy for action. Nobody expected the new minister to "hit the ground running" and to turn things around by magical gestures.

For this minister, part of the challenge was always to develop an adequate, empirical grasp of the nuts and bolts of National Security apparatus and an appraisal of the performance and plans of the key operational personnel and stakeholders. The rhetorical noise constantly emerging from Mr Warner's quarters, however, is not the sound of a man progressively coming to grips with elements of a complex mandate.

Instead, the Warner motormouth runs non-stop to promote his preconceived—and necessarily uninformed—notions about police policy and practice. Coming from the unexpected source of a ministerial office-holder, such outpourings are guaranteed to produce confusion and destabilisation inside the professional National Security agencies, of which the Police Service is easily the most critical.

Without the restraint of caution, Mr Warner has been promoting his own gut-feeling solutions to long-entrenched crime and national security problems. All rough-and-ready formulations, now it's closure of some prison; now using fire officers to support police; now crash-programme training 5,000 Special Reserve Police (SRP) officers at the University of the West Indies (UWI), and paying them more; now locating new fire stations adjacent to police stations, and building more police stations; and now issuing guns and cars for police officers to take home.

By early telegraphing his unhappiness with 21st Century Policing, Mr Warner can only be confounding and demoralising officers who have been conscientiously giving it a try. The single initiative embarked upon in the name of change, 21st Century Policing has deserved a chance to be fully implemented, despite all the hostile traditions, attitudes, practices and vested interests mobilised against it.

Even before meeting the presumed authors of the initiative, Mr Warner, has been finding common cause with the Police Second Division Association. This body has been the bastion of an old order fervidly resistant to change and self-servingly protective of stick-in-the-mud approaches and procedures. It has opposed and undermined 21st Century Policing and Commissioner Dwayne Gibbs who is identified with its introduction. Even worse, however, is Mr Warner's non-stop firing from the hip with his sound bites and hook lines. Not in the least do these serve to inspire confidence in his potential to lead positive advances on the multifaceted crime and national security front.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: elan on July 08, 2012, 06:35:20 PM
How JW get this man of action title from?

Where the new number plates? (Was Canada they was coming from right  ??? )

Where the new Driver Permits?

Where the speeding tickets in the mail?

Where is the reduce in traffic jams?

Where the highway down south?

Where the new plan for Maxi taxi and PH drivers?

Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: g on July 08, 2012, 08:48:12 PM
How JW get this man of action title from?

Where the new number plates? (Was Canada they was coming from right  ??? )

Where the new Driver Permits?

Where the speeding tickets in the mail?

Where is the reduce in traffic jams?

Where the highway down south?

Where the new plan for Maxi taxi and PH drivers?



1 out of 6
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Brownsugar on July 09, 2012, 05:42:15 AM
How JW get this man of action title from?

Where the new number plates? (Was Canada they was coming from right  ??? )

Where the new Driver Permits?

Where the speeding tickets in the mail?

Where is the reduce in traffic jams?

Where the highway down south?

Where the new plan for Maxi taxi and PH drivers?



1 out of 6

And dais where people does get tie up.  A lot of the things implemented by Jack were already in train by the previous administration when he took over.  The new driver's permits is one such item.  Also, Elan it could be argued that he only held the Transport portfolio for about 1 year so he couldn't do much.   What I want to know is what he accomplished in the Min. of Works that made him this man of action people does tout. 

The Interchange??  Was already in train when he came into office.

The barriers and emergency bays down the highway??  Already in train....

The roundabout in Maraval??  Ditto

The highway extension up Santa Rosa side.  Was stalled because of a court matter.  Was resolved just as he took office....so ditto.

Remember the tunnel to Maracas that people laughed at saying it was Jack who wanted it.  Eh, eh....wrong.  It was actually contained in a budget presented under Karen Nunez-Tesheira (either her first one or the 2nd one).  So even the stupid ideas from the PNM he was taking that too.   ::) ::)

He actually admitted that the PURE programmed put in place by the PNM was a good thing.  Ah wonder how he was able to use it to his benefit???   :thinking:

I can't recall any other major projects that were on stream that he completed but I also can't remember anything major that he initiated and finished......if is one thing the man good at is PR, BS and smoke screen.......man of action my rear end....steups!!!
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Socapro on July 09, 2012, 12:22:13 PM
How JW get this man of action title from?

Where the new number plates? (Was Canada they was coming from right  ??? )

Where the new Driver Permits?

Where the speeding tickets in the mail?

Where is the reduce in traffic jams?

Where the highway down south?

Where the new plan for Maxi taxi and PH drivers?



1 out of 6

And dais where people does get tie up.  A lot of the things implemented by Jack were already in train by the previous administration when he took over.  The new driver's permits is one such item.  Also, Elan it could be argued that he only held the Transport portfolio for about 1 year so he couldn't do much.   What I want to know is what he accomplished in the Min. of Works that made him this man of action people does tout. 

The Interchange??  Was already in train when he came into office.

The barriers and emergency bays down the highway??  Already in train....

The roundabout in Maraval??  Ditto

The highway extension up Santa Rosa side.  Was stalled because of a court matter.  Was resolved just as he took office....so ditto.

Remember the tunnel to Maracas that people laughed at saying it was Jack who wanted it.  Eh, eh....wrong.  It was actually contained in a budget presented under Karen Nunez-Tesheira (either her first one or the 2nd one).  So even the stupid ideas from the PNM he was taking that too.   ::) ::)

He actually admitted that the PURE programmed put in place by the PNM was a good thing.  Ah wonder how he was able to use it to his benefit???   :thinking:

I can't recall any other major projects that were on stream that he completed but I also can't remember anything major that he initiated and finished......if is one thing the man good at is PR, BS and smoke screen.......man of action my rear end....steups!!!
There is a good reason why this PP government continues on its merry divisive Pappy show path.
They believe a lot of dotish voters will fall for it and they will be voted back in!
Remember the Pappy show worked on the voters once and apparently the opposition is now in tatters so they expect it to work again and who can really blame them when you think about it?!
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Football supporter on July 09, 2012, 12:51:14 PM
How JW get this man of action title from?

Where the new number plates? (Was Canada they was coming from right  ??? )

Where the new Driver Permits?

Where the speeding tickets in the mail?

Where is the reduce in traffic jams?

Where the highway down south?

Where the new plan for Maxi taxi and PH drivers?



1 out of 6

And dais where people does get tie up.  A lot of the things implemented by Jack were already in train by the previous administration when he took over.  The new driver's permits is one such item.  Also, Elan it could be argued that he only held the Transport portfolio for about 1 year so he couldn't do much.   What I want to know is what he accomplished in the Min. of Works that made him this man of action people does tout. 

The Interchange??  Was already in train when he came into office.

The barriers and emergency bays down the highway??  Already in train....

The roundabout in Maraval??  Ditto

The highway extension up Santa Rosa side.  Was stalled because of a court matter.  Was resolved just as he took office....so ditto.

Remember the tunnel to Maracas that people laughed at saying it was Jack who wanted it.  Eh, eh....wrong.  It was actually contained in a budget presented under Karen Nunez-Tesheira (either her first one or the 2nd one).  So even the stupid ideas from the PNM he was taking that too.   ::) ::)

He actually admitted that the PURE programmed put in place by the PNM was a good thing.  Ah wonder how he was able to use it to his benefit???   :thinking:

I can't recall any other major projects that were on stream that he completed but I also can't remember anything major that he initiated and finished......if is one thing the man good at is PR, BS and smoke screen.......man of action my rear end....steups!!!
There is a good reason why this PP government continues on its merry divisive Pappy show path.
They believe a lot of dotish voters will fall for it and they will be voted back in!
Remember the Pappy show worked on the voters once and apparently the opposition is now in tatters so they expect it to work again and who can really blame them when you think about it?!

If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Flex on July 17, 2012, 03:41:53 AM
35 MURDERS UNDER JACK
Since becoming National Security Minister 24 days ago....
By Gyasi Gonzales (Express)


Thirty-five murders have been committed since Jack Warner assumed the portfolio of National Security Minister, according to an Express count.

Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar announced a Cabinet reshuffle on June 22 when Jack was removed as Minister of Works.

On June 23 the murder toll stood at 194 while up to last night the number totalled 229 with five more murders yesterday.

Contacted last night around 7.15 for a comment on the number of murders, Warner said that he needed to check his statistics before commenting. He said: “I am sitting in my office right now and the person with the statistics has left for the day.

I have no way to corroborate what you are saying.”
Among the murders yesterday, three men were gunned down near their Carapo homes, leaving their families in a state of shock and anguish while some neighbours felt relieved.

Among the victims were Ricardo Marshall, 28, who had sued the State for wrongful arrest after being charged for a 2009 murder. He had claimed he was innocent in that murder.

The other two victims - Anil Harry, 28 and Nigel Jack, 26—all lived a stone’s throw from each other in the Simon Road area in Carapo.

Marshall was charged with the murder of his neighbour, Kevin Guy, on August 13, 2009 but in 2010 the murder charge was dropped after the Director of Public Prosecutions, Roger Gaspard, filed a notice of discontinuance of the capital charge against Marshall.

Gaspard had reportedly examined the police’s case and concluded that improper evidence gathering procedures were used by investigators. Approximately 17 days after being freed in the Arima Magistrates’ Court , Marshall filed a lawsuit against the State.

Around 8 a.m. yesterday, the three men were liming together outside a house in the one-time squatting community which became regularised a few years ago, when they were approached by two teenagers.
Marshall, Harry and Jack ran off when the teenagers drew their guns and pointed it at them.

Marshall was shot first. He ran off and was shot again.

He was still alive when Arima Police arrived on the scene. Police took him to the Arima District Hospital where he was pronounced dead on arrival.

Harry managed to run a short distance through some bushes behind his neighbour’s home but one of the gunmen aimed, squeezed the trigger and shot Harry in his stomach. He was far off and the bullet did not exit his body. The gunman however walked up to Harry as he lay screaming in pain in the back of a resident’s yard. He was shot twice to his head afterwards at close range and died instantly.

Jack too was shot at close range and was killed instantly.

Relatives of Ricardo Marshall and Anil Harry spoke to reporters yesterday.

One of Marshall and Harry’s cousins, Kelly Ann Ramkissoon, said she was at work when she got the news that her two cousins had been shot.

She said she got to the scene and walked over to where Harry’s body was lying and also spoke to some of his neighbours.

“People who knew Anil said he and Marshall were in wrong company because he was a good fella and he used to work with my mom,” she said.

She continued, “I feel hurt about this because I mean that’s my cousin and I never know Carapo to be a place like this because people saying now that it is a bad place.”

A relative of Marshall spoke to the Express as well.

She did not want her name mentioned but she said that Marshall, Harry and Jack were trying to talk to the young men in the area to discourage them from a life of crime.

However in other parts of the neighbourhood a different story was told.

One man who sold produce described the three dead men as “sickening”.

He did not want his name mentioned.

“I didn’t want anything to do with those young men because around here need a clean-up because them fellas eh doing nothing here but just terrorising the community. They does distress people,” he said.

Another woman echoed his sentiments.

“Two to three years ago they thief from meh neighbour all of her jewelry and it had nothing we could have done about it because all of us were afraid,” she said.

The murder toll up to last night stood at 229 while for the same period last year the toll was 213.

Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Brownsugar on July 17, 2012, 05:44:54 AM
The murder toll up to last night stood at 229 while for the same period last year the toll was 213.

SOE in we tail again!!!...... ::) ::)
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: lefty on July 17, 2012, 06:24:04 AM
The murder toll up to last night stood at 229 while for the same period last year the toll was 213.

SOE in we tail again!!!...... ::) ::)

word is dat figure is a big FAT ASS lie............d shit much deeper dan dey tellin us
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: D.H.W on July 17, 2012, 09:35:09 AM
The government suddenly get quiet
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Bakes on July 17, 2012, 12:19:21 PM
As I just say elsewhere... 35 murders in three weeks is a shocking number, by any measure.  Them is Baghdad and Afghanistan numbers.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Football supporter on July 17, 2012, 01:58:25 PM
Well, I did offer the thought that Jack may be being set up by his political opponents. There's no short term fix to the crime problem, and all the time the numbers rise, Jack looks worse.

On the other hand, what did we expect? In football, Jack made lots of noise and loved the headline grabbing projects, but in over 20 years, the grassroots football was ignored and youth development across the Caribbean was underfunded as it wasn't glamourous.

Now we have a Shaq Attack and the protest busters while they're running out of chalk to draw the murdered people's outlines on the streets. Recognise the pattern?
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: weary1969 on July 17, 2012, 02:21:48 PM
The government suddenly get quiet

YOUR GOVT
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: mukumsplau on July 17, 2012, 02:22:43 PM
frightening that day by day is not the one murder u hearing about, its multiple...jack have answers? when he now came in he didnt sound too bright when suggesting officers go home with they cars...so whappen to d officers on d nex shift? hadda take taxi?
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: weary1969 on July 17, 2012, 02:25:46 PM
frightening that day by day is not the one murder u hearing about, its multiple...jack have answers? when he now came in he didnt sound too bright when suggesting officers go home with they cars...so whappen to d officers on d nex shift? hadda take taxi?

LOL maybe d water taxi will wuk in d nite who knows wit that joker.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: D.H.W on July 17, 2012, 04:10:35 PM
The government suddenly get quiet

YOUR GOVT

I never vote for them, my hands clean

(http://talktowarren.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/hand_washing.jpg)
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Bourbon on July 17, 2012, 05:00:11 PM
Give him time he needs to settle.

Oh and the "New DP" was supposed to be machine readable DP's eh. Just saying.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Deeks on July 17, 2012, 05:52:24 PM
As I just say elsewhere... 35 murders in three weeks is a shocking number, by any measure.  Them is Baghdad and Afghanistan numbers.

I agree with Bakes here. Don't let our feelings against remraw cloud our sensibilties. Renraw or Martin Josephh, Gibbs or Estawski, Those numbers are appalling. I just can't put logic to this madness.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Socafan on July 17, 2012, 06:16:52 PM
Yeah boy...reading that is just jarring...dais plenty people getting kill. Lawlessness.

I doh know, but if I was commissioner of Police the sense of urgency to deal with that woulda radiate from me all the way down through all the members of the Police Service. I think I woulda be a difficult commish to deal with, is strictly pressure. We woulda have ah uptight, dread police force, with police and their paraphernalia EVERYWHERE ALL THE TIME. People woulda 'fraid police, but we would be there in seconds when they call ready to kill man. Dais just how I feel.

It real frustrating.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Brownsugar on July 17, 2012, 06:50:48 PM
Give him time he needs to settle.

Oh and the "New DP" was supposed to be machine readable DP's eh. Just saying.


Yeah, yeah.....I eh worried.  Jack goh save we.  He is an action man.  I giving him plenty time.......and rope.

Machine readable DP's is too much of an upgrade boss......one thing at a time.  Yuh want dem public servants in Licensing to be overwhelmed with many changes at once??..... ::)
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: D.H.W on July 17, 2012, 07:43:21 PM
Jack say he going to install this on news

http://www.shotspotter.com/

http://www.youtube.com/v/VBxqUBA_br8&
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Deeks on July 17, 2012, 08:23:56 PM
so what if they have a silencer?
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Bakes on July 17, 2012, 08:34:30 PM
Government by vaps... all the latest whiz-bang gimmickry, leh we buy it and try it.  You trying to tell me that a small-ass place like Trinidad, police need help identifying where shots were fired?  You go to the police station and tell dem ah man killing yuh, they either telling yuh to come back later or they still can't find who killing yuh before yuh dead... but ShotSpotter supposed to help them ketch shooters?  steups.

I could see if this thing was affordable, but it's not... they trying to roll out a less expensive model, but that coming with less monitoring.  ShotSpotter have a monitoring facility in Trinidad... or they monitoring all de way from America?  Allyuh action man in action again... doh mix up activity fuh achievement doh.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: lefty on July 17, 2012, 09:36:35 PM
so what if they have a silencer?

"silencers" don't silence guns...not to d level u see in movies anyways, that's flights of Hollywood fancy, what suppressors do is distort the sound enough to make the direction of fire harder to detect and still the shooter would have to be concealed well enough to benefit.......think about it for a second, the barrel isn't the only place sound can escape.......

hear for yuh self
http://www.youtube.com/v/9NIXNTgyPFM&feature=related

and yuh could also check
http://www.cracked.com/article_18576_5-ridiculous-gun-myths-everyone-believes-thanks-to-movies.html
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Flex on July 18, 2012, 05:28:05 AM
'I DIDN'T KILL ANY'
National Security Minister responds to 'Express' headline '35 murders under Jack'
By Susan Mohammed (Express).


IN the face of an increasing number of homicides since his appointment as National Security Minister, Jack Warner yesterday said he was not deterred by the statistics, and would not give up.

Instead, he announced that a plan was coming within four months that would see police squad cars arriving at the scene of gun related crimes "within seconds".

As of late yesterday, 36 persons had been killed since Warner's June 22 appointment by Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar, and the country had recorded 230 murders.

Speaking with reporters yesterday at the launch of a cadet camp in Carapichaima, Warner said he was uncertain whether the statistics being reported by the media were accurate.

He said, "you wake up a morning to see '35 dead under Jack'.

Jack didn't kill any. I didn't kill any...".

He added, "I do not know how correct the statistics are. But if you (the media) say they are correct, I am not going to throw my hands up in the air and say that nothing can be done. I am not going to be pessimistic about it."

Warner also said he had a stronger resolve to arrest crime generally. "I will be undeterred by statistics, as unfortunate as they are. I am committed and I shall find a solution to the problem."

In his address at the function, Warner said Trinidad and Tobago was "swimming in a sea of crime" and the majority of the criminal activity was taking place in Laventille and Diego Martin.

"I learnt this morning that 66 per cent of those firearms, the shots, came from Laventille. And in Laventille they have 68 per cent of the murders. Of those shots which were fired from firearms throughout the country, eight per cent came from Diego Martin, and Diego Martin has 16 per cent of murders in country.

Where have all our police gone? Why are we not more secure with all the resources we have? The police service in this country is the best outfitted in the Caribbean. Yet I ask you where are the results?" Warner asked.

Warner said he intended to seek answers from Commissioner of Police Dwayne Gibbs and other police officers of the various police division when he meets with them on Friday.

Warner said that in his plans to tackle crime, he intended to bring technology that would pinpoint the criminals, the weapons and their locations.

"We are coming with a piece of technology that when it comes on the market it will blow your mind and blow the mind of every criminal in this country. Trust me on that.

The technology is coming that we will be able to identify where the shot went off, when and even to detect the house from where it came from. I am told that should be in the next three to four months and we are working with the firm to see how fast we can expedite it.

When a shot is fired from a gun you will know where it came from, you will know the area, you can pinpoint the house. And if they have squad cars that are in the area as there will be, it will be a matter of seconds", said Warner.

He said more details on the technology and devices would be revealed at a later date. Warner also revealed that a Community Police Support Officers Unit would be set up to supplement the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service.

He added that on July 28, at 2 p.m he would hold a meeting of several "top ministers". Warner called on citizens to help him in the fight against crime.

"You all have to help me. This has to be a fight for all of us", he said.

ShotSpotter technology While National Security Minister Jack Warner did not specify the technology to be used to detect, identify and respond to gunfire, there are several countries and cities in the United States where a technology known as ShotSpotter is being employed.

According to information on the website of SST Inc, which markets the ShotSpotter technology "agencies that have adopted it " as part of a comprehensive crime-reduction strategy have reported reductions in urban gunfire by up to 80 per cent and related violent crime by as much as 40 per cent".

"Police and law enforcement agencies around the globe are using SST to provide real-time information about gunfire and explosions, enabling a more effective response to gun violence and giving them a more complete picture of crime, so that they can better protect their personnel and their communities" the website states.

In explaining how the technology works, SST Inc states "When gunfire occurs outdoors, ShotSpotter Flex sensors and software triangulate and pinpoint the precise location of each round fired within seconds. Detailed incident data is instantly sent to the SST Operations Center, our secure data processing and alert qualification facility.

Immediately, a SST gunfire and acoustic expert analyzes the data, qualifies the incident and sends a validated alert to the dispatch center or other Public Safety Answer Points (PSAP) and even directly to mobile and field personnel. Qualified Alerts include critical situational awareness such as number of shots fired, shooter position, speed and direction of travel (of a moving shooter) and the exact time of gunfire". The technology is available through a subscription service.

Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Football supporter on July 18, 2012, 07:41:47 AM
Jack say he going to install this on news

http://www.shotspotter.com/

http://www.youtube.com/v/VBxqUBA_br8&

Flex...you into everything these days?  :rotfl:
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Bourbon on July 18, 2012, 09:10:20 AM
Jack say he going to install this on news

http://www.shotspotter.com/

http://www.youtube.com/v/VBxqUBA_br8&

Dis a brilliant idea doh. All we need is a time machine to go back to just before the shot was fired after we pinpoint the location to catch the shooter.


It go be like the comedy festival ad that touted technology that predicts when somebody going  to commit a crime and arresting them in advance.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Deeks on July 18, 2012, 09:16:01 AM
let's hope this is not a blimp in disguise.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Bakes on July 18, 2012, 09:25:00 AM
let's hope this is not a blimp in disguise.

Ironic you should say that... quiet as is kept, one of the things with the blimp was that they used to eavesdrop on people conversations.  ShotStoper does the same thing... accidental or not.  This is one of the reasons why there have been as much controversy (along with the price tag) here in the US.  But then again, given the fiasco that is SIA... maybe eavesdropping is secretly part of the plan too.  It go have real 'shootings' near Balisier House LOL
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Jah Gol on July 18, 2012, 11:24:38 AM
http://sfappeal.com/alley/2009/07/if-a-shot-is-fired.php (http://sfappeal.com/alley/2009/07/if-a-shot-is-fired.php)

Quote
The only problem is that in its 18 months of monitoring, May 30th is the only instance in which ShotStopper has actually contributed to an arrest. In Oakland, where police have installed similar sensors, only two arrests have been made as a result of the sensors in over a year and a half. It seems the only thing faster than a report from ShotStopper is a criminal fleeing the scene.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: D.H.W on July 18, 2012, 11:40:33 AM
http://sfappeal.com/alley/2009/07/if-a-shot-is-fired.php (http://sfappeal.com/alley/2009/07/if-a-shot-is-fired.php)

Quote
The only problem is that in its 18 months of monitoring, May 30th is the only instance in which ShotStopper has actually contributed to an arrest. In Oakland, where police have installed similar sensors, only two arrests have been made as a result of the sensors in over a year and a half. It seems the only thing faster than a report from ShotStopper is a criminal fleeing the scene.

They go need cameras now on every street corner
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: weary1969 on July 18, 2012, 11:58:33 AM
The government suddenly get quiet

YOUR GOVT

I never vote for them, my hands clean

(http://talktowarren.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/hand_washing.jpg)

Really ?
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: D.H.W on July 18, 2012, 12:08:41 PM
Yup, I didn't vote. Although I admit I supported PP, never again I making that mistake. Manning was behaving to much of a asshole also.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: weary1969 on July 18, 2012, 05:15:03 PM
Yup, I didn't vote. Although I admit I supported PP, never again I making that mistake. Manning was behaving to much of a asshole also.


And that is y we in this HOT MESS. All yuh give d coutry 2 these buffons because how Manning was behavin. Nutten bout the economy, d systems in place like books (some schools eh get since they get d wuk). People bein fired 4 no reason but Manning was behavin ike a donkey. Well all yuh give up 1 donkey for a whole stable.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Flex on July 22, 2012, 04:40:15 AM
No help from Jack
One week after National Security Minister visits relatives of murdered Chinese couple, children complain:
By Louis B Homer (Express).


More than one week after a Chinese couple from Cunupia were killed by armed bandits, their relatives are saying that National Security Minister Jack Warner's promise to help them has not happened.

No representative from the Ministry of National Security was present at yesterday's funeral service for Yang Jiang Hua and his wife Wu Xia Hua who were shot to death by unknown assailants at their restaurant on July 13.

Family members attending the service expressed disappointment at the absence of ministry officials, saying: "Mr Warner came to our home last Saturday and promised us help and protection. So far none has materialised." Family members are still scared for their lives since no arrest has been made by police.

Even as the funeral service was taking place at the Grace Chapel of the St James Crematorium on Long Circular Road, the only protection the family had were friends who were there to express their condolences. Chinese Ambassador Yang Youming and his wife, and officials from the four Chinese Associations in Trinidad and Tobago who attended the funeral.

Yang Hua, son of the deceased couple and owner of Tiger's Restaurant in Cunupia told the Sunday Express: "We are very sad about many things. We are faced with funeral expenses, the cost of a trip for three members of the family to go to China as well as money to pay for performing the final rites in China."

Yang Hua said the family had already disposed of all their belongings.

"In the Chinese tradition the shooting of our parents was an evil omen. So we must give away everything and start all over again." He said his sister, Jang Hua, must accompany him and his wife to China.

"We had applied for resident status for her so she has to return to China until her papers are processed."

The family had applied for a house from the Housing Development Corporation (HDC) because the premises they occupied on the Southern Main Road, Cunupia were rented to them.

"We would like to leave for China in two weeks' time with our parents' ashes, so we must find a house to live when we return in three months," said Hua.

The family expects to visit National Security Minister Warner in the next two days to find out what assistance Government may give as well as the latest information from the police.

Hua said: "We are not staying in China, we coming back here to live."

At the funeral service Chinese Pastor Mark Cham told the congregation that the couple were on their way to their heavenly home.

"Not in the flesh but in the spirit. So together we must pray for their safe return." He said the couple was returning with joyful noise and later the whole family will be united again.

Cham conducted the service in Chinese and was assisted by a translator who spoke English.

Ambassador Youming in expressing condolences to the family described the shooting as an "unfortunate one and the embassy was in full support of the family".

The couple came to Trinidad five years ago on a holiday and fell in love with Trinidad and decided to remain and apply for resident status.

The Hua family came from Jiang su, in the city of Zhenjiang, China.

Warner could not be reached yesterday for comment on the investigation of the murders of the couple

Title: Ahhh Jack, Jack, Jack........
Post by: Die_Hard on July 22, 2012, 10:46:17 AM
Plain Talk - Phillip Edward Alexander

Sunday, July 22, 2012
Give Jack his Jacket....

Ahhh Jack, Jack, Jack........not since the movie 'Titanic' has that one name captivated so many and held them so spellbound for so long. Austin Jack Warner, our teflon antihero with that quick, stuttering wit, you who should be fodder for the media (if we had an independent media of course), but never mind, I will do my best to record your shenanigans for posterity as best as I can.

Unlike the hero from the aforementioned movie, our Jack is straight up 'in your face' constant, wanna-be action-hero with a bullet, and now that he has an entire police force and an army to boot, things could get interesting.

Make no mistake, not a day goes by when I am not caught completely off guard by what comes out of this man's mouth so effortlessly, and I would like to thank our Prime Minister for elevating this national treasure to the post of Minister of National Security because, while there was little if any opportunity for his now famous 'Jack-isms' while talking about roads and bridges, as National Security Minister there seems to be no limits to the crazy-speak that flows trippingly from his lips with such little effort on a daily basis.

Someone got killed?

Send the police home with guns.

Someone else got killed?

Send them home with the cars too.

Another murder?

Draft the firemen into the army.

Never one to stick around long enough to see the actual results of his plans or proposals, when confronted with a headline '35 murders under Jack,' his deadpan response that he did not kill any of them was trademark 'voop first and answer questions later' Jack.

I remember the first time we realized that, of all the jokers in Kamla's pack, Jack was destined to be chief jester for at least the full five years (barring of course, the need for some reason to leave town in a hurry).

Threatened early on for the position of chief clown by that lovable loon Therese Baptiste-Cornelis (then Minister of Health & Silly Tantrums) and comic gymnast - 'huggable' Herbert Volney (Minister of Justice, fine brochures and WASA fetes), Jack had to establish himself in quick time and in quick time he did when, during his first stint as acting Prime Minister he offered a little boy who was kidnapped, subsequently abandoned for some reason and who found his own way out of the forest a National Award and a FIFA watch.

The negative public response was so severe I thought Jack was finished, complete, kaput, but without missing a beat or a step he showed us his now trademark doublespeak two-step and convinced everyone watching (including the very media that recorded what he said the night before) that it was not a National Award he meant but something else, something he could not name, something entirely new, so we named it for him, and at that moment a superstar and the Jack Award's were born.

They said of Apple founder Steve Jobs that he had the ability to distort reality and I would like to say that our Jack has that gift too.

Able to walk through fire and come out not even smelling of smoke.   How do you explain him having his nuts so far over the fire over the 'cash for votes' bribery scandal that rocked world football governing body FIFA to its very core and appeared destined for international courts, charges and an alphabet soup of law enforcement agencies, and yet Jack walked away from that clean as a whistle, unbleached, unblemished and un-neutered, save and except of course for the disgraceful expulsion from world football with the caveat that he not even step on a football field anywhere on the planet, Jack spun his way out of even that.

Now he is Minister of National Security, and while at first many thought the rumors of the coming appointment had to be a joke, turns out the joke was on us.

Take the announcement on his first day in Office as a prime example, that the firemen were going to be drafted into his crime plan. This came so far out of left field it caught people unsure as to what position to take and mind you, this is a country that added a red, white and blue blimp to its crime fighting arsenal so nothing at this point should be able to shock the weary public.

Is this a good thing?

Do firemen know how to shoot?

And if the firemen were busy fighting crime, who would fight the fires? It didn't matter because like most things Jack says, it isn't meant to be real, just to confuse, distract and confuffle. 

Anyway,  Action Jack, fresh from his first stint in 'the field' together with Colin Partap (who has since been dubbed Robin to his (Warner's) Batman), and having arrested notorious crime lord Dr. Wayne Kublalsingh and demolished his evil lair, next proposed the drafting of cadets into the police service, again to a confused public response. Someone sarcastically suggested at this rate maybe Jack was about to enlist doubles vendors and T&TEC workers into his new army, leaving me to wonder what about the homeless, caught in the tug of war between Louis Lee Sing's desire to clean up  Gotham and Glenn Ramadharsingh's desire to do nothing at all, maybe this was something worth looking into.

I have always been a proponent of arming the homeless just to see what they would do, and here was an opportunity to go all the way and give them badges and police cars too.

Could make for interesting nightly news other than the tired boring 'this one was gunned down' and 'that one was murdered' fare night after night after night after night, wouldn't it? - “Madman arrests pigeon for jay walking, film at eleven.” It could work.

How about store clerks, singers and actors, can they be police as well? What is the limit or the criteria? Street walkers and street sweepers, sign painters and paint makers, can they be police?

How about the clergy, the imams, priests and nuns, the head of DOMA, Om Lalla, where does it stop? Should we enlist everybody?

Maybe that is Jack's master crime plan after all. With one point three million people playing police, there will be nobody left to play thief. It's such a crazy idea it just might work......

Posted by Phillip Edward Alexander at 4:43 AM
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Bourbon on July 22, 2012, 12:34:20 PM
Allyuh wicked or wha? De man is such a man of action he barely have enough hours in the day..yuh want him to meet with EVERY murder victim family?

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/business/Warner__Don_t_expect_one-man_miracle_show-162984716.html



MINISTER of National Security Jack Warner says if the country is expecting a one-man miracle show to deal with crime, it will not happen as he intends to consult stakeholders, including former ministers like Martin Joseph, John Sandy and Howard Chin Lee.

And he has given himself a six-month deadline to be held accountable for making a reduction in crime.

Speaking at a Chamber of Commerce breakfast meeting yesterday at its headquarters in Westmoorings, Warner said he couldn't cope with the crime problem by himself and urged his countrymen, including the business community, to get involved.

"Do not believe that there is any 'Superman' to solve crime. No demigod ...no miracle man that would come walking through the desert like Moses and wave his staff and Zap! Everything is okay. That can't happen," he said. "Eradicating crime and restoring law and order to our society will require us rolling up our sleeves and doing some serious hard work and everyone has a part to play and we must embrace our roles."

He said there was no such thing as a Warner crime plan despite the media's attempts to label it as such, adding that naming an initiative did not equate to implementation.


"And therefore you cannot expect that when I announce a strategy you wake up the next morning with a 50 per cent cut in crime," he said.

He said there was a crime plan that would include elements of old strategies which worked and new initiatives. Warner said he planned to discuss the plan with the National Security Operations Centre (NSOC) and then the National Security Council (NSC) before he introduced it to the public.

Warner said the plan would involve soft strategies like some of the already existing mentoring and socialisation programmes and hard strategies which will involve raids, intercepts and pursuits.


"I am sorry to say it but those who choose to live by the gun will have to make up their minds that they will most likely die by it as well," he said.

Warner said in his first 26 days in office he was making sure he had the necessary consultations with stakeholders like the Chief Justice, the Minister of Legal Affairs, the Police Service Commission and others so that he could get the plan right.

And he said he intended to write former ministers Joseph, Sandy and Chin Lee to see if they had an input into the crime plan.

"This is not a partisan plan. It is not a PNM plan or a UNC plan. It is a plan for the country and if Martin Joseph has an idea and it can work, then put it," he said.


Warner said while he was formulating the crime plan, he would roll out bits and pieces so there would be no standstill in the crime fight.

Warner also gave himself a deadline to be effective.

"If in a year, no make that if in six months, you call me back and there is no marked decrease in crime, then you can hold me accountable," he said.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Socapro on July 23, 2012, 12:12:28 AM
Yup, I didn't vote. Although I admit I supported PP, never again I making that mistake. Manning was behaving to much of a asshole also.


And that is y we in this HOT MESS. All yuh give d coutry 2 these buffons because how Manning was behavin. Nutten bout the economy, d systems in place like books (some schools eh get since they get d wuk). People bein fired 4 no reason but Manning was behavin ike a donkey. Well all yuh give up 1 donkey for a whole stable.
:beermug:
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Deeks on July 23, 2012, 03:55:50 PM
Sandy, Chin Lee and Martin Joseph should as far away from Renraw. He says he can don it all. Now you asking the 3 previous "failures".
Title: Re: Breaking News - Armed bandit "hog ties" and robs former National Security Mi
Post by: truetrini on July 23, 2012, 04:00:58 PM
Martin Joseph was robbed at gun point today

Armed bandit "hog ties" and robs former National Security Minister Martin Joseph at his home in Flagstaff on Long Circular Road.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: FF on July 23, 2012, 05:26:52 PM
Martin Joseph was robbed at gun point today

Armed bandit "hog ties" and robs former National Security Minister Martin Joseph at his home in Flagstaff on Long Circular Road.

Wha de arse... Flagstaff is ah gated community! Well yes
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Socapro on July 23, 2012, 06:31:44 PM
Martin Joseph was robbed at gun point today

Armed bandit "hog ties" and robs former National Security Minister Martin Joseph at his home in Flagstaff on Long Circular Road.

Wha de arse... Flagstaff is ah gated community! Well yes
That term "Gated Community" reminds me of this song from Penguin from 1984.

All dem folks living in so-called Gated Communities feel they well off when in reality they living in jail.

Penguin tried to open we eyes since 1984 but like some ah we still blind!  :(

Penguin - We Living in Jail (1984 Music video)
http://www.youtube.com/v/dkpk4LYoJiY
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: truetrini on July 23, 2012, 07:48:03 PM
Martin Joseph was robbed at gun point today

Armed bandit "hog ties" and robs former National Security Minister Martin Joseph at his home in Flagstaff on Long Circular Road.

Wha de arse... Flagstaff is ah gated community! Well yes
That term "Gated Community" reminds me of this song from Penguin from 1984.

All dem folks living in so-called Gated Communities feel they well off when in reality they living in jail.

Penguin tried to open we eyes since 1984 but like some ah we still blind!  :(

Penguin - We Living in Jail (1984 Music video)
http://www.youtube.com/v/dkpk4LYoJiY

Yuh know what?  That same Penguin is Martin Joseph's BIG brother..look ting  lol
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: zuluwarrior on July 23, 2012, 09:22:31 PM
Jack you is such a shameless dog ,wasnt it Martin Joseph PNM crime plan you and your PPparty mashup when allyuh came in power .

Jack all the shit that came out your mouth and ass you going back to eat it now , the PP never had a crime  plan ,dont ask sandy because he just like you dont know anything about fighting crime.

Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Bakes on July 23, 2012, 10:15:29 PM
Yuh know what?  That same Penguin is Martin Joseph's BIG brother..look ting  lol

Really?  What a coincidence... but yeah, it rings a bell, I remember Penguin last name is Joseph, Sedley Joseph or sumting so right?
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: truetrini on July 23, 2012, 10:26:15 PM
Yeah well yuo know that Martin is my friend for a while now..yeah is he brother.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Bakes on July 24, 2012, 11:45:10 AM
Yeah well yuo know that Martin is my friend for a while now..yeah is he brother.

Nah didn't know dat... den again, you's ah man with yuh connections so no surprise.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Bakes on July 24, 2012, 11:46:33 AM
Kamla and Jack

By Ralph Maraj

Quote
Mr Warner is clearly out of his depth at National Security. In Works, he talked more than anything else and continues in this vein in his new post, jabbering away nightly on television, whilst blood flows on the streets and rapes escalate. About 40 people have been murdered in the one month of his watch.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/commentaries/Kamla_and_Jack-163499096.html


That presumably educated people here on this forum would proclaim Jack "most productive Minister" is beyond mind boggling.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: lefty on July 24, 2012, 12:47:03 PM
Kamla and Jack

By Ralph Maraj

Quote
Mr Warner is clearly out of his depth at National Security. In Works, he talked more than anything else and continues in this vein in his new post, jabbering away nightly on television, whilst blood flows on the streets and rapes escalate. About 40 people have been murdered in the one month of his watch.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/commentaries/Kamla_and_Jack-163499096.html


That presumably educated people here on this forum would proclaim Jack "most productive Minister" is beyond mind boggling.

wit all he talk an' grand standing he only real claim to fame as ah "action man" in gov't is isolated to his own constituency and dat eh even all dat impressive..in the grand scheme of tings..........it does still bewilder me how man like dinho consider he ah good administrator ...he like a vibrator without a hand or a pussy to work it...only movement wit no real benefit ...........steups
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: sammy on July 24, 2012, 02:05:24 PM
they probably put him there so that they can buss he throat when he fail.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: dinho on July 24, 2012, 05:39:25 PM
For some time now i consciously lock off arguing politics and religion on this forum because i find it to be an altogether wasteful exercise.. The fact is that most posters on here are set in their opinions and convictions and fairly predictable in how they will respond to anything that doesn't fall within that box.. so i just thought, why bother?

Against better judgement though, I will state what my opinion is on Jack.

Jack is widely regarded here in T&T as the best performing minister in the Cabinet. I know that the prevailing sentiment on this board from the predominantly expat membership is that this opinion is one borne of the ignorant, gullible masses here in Trinidad who don't know any better. But there are just reasons for that.

Before i continue, probably it would be instructive to state my position on this PP government for the people like lefty who like to call my name:

I have no political allegiances. The truth is that I am just as disappointed in this government as anyone else. I voted the PP hoping for a change from the inept governance of the PNM, in particular the direction that the government was taking under Manning. I was hoping for fresh perspectives and new ideas, new faces and a departure from the ineptness of the PNM/UNC options. I bought into the campaign that this was a coalition government removed from the old UNC ways and moreover I was willing to give them a chance. Worst case scenario for me, if this government is a failure, at least Manning is ousted and the PNM have 4 years to get their house in order. Any option besides voting in Manning again was the better option and I still believe that to be the case.

I think it goes without saying that we get a 6 for a 9. Just like everyone else, i see the blatant nepotism, favoritism and corruption going on in the State industries... The overhauling of State boards to push a racial agenda. Devant Maharaj, Reshma Ramnarine... The complete reversal of all the good work done at Caribbean Airlines. No change in the crime situation. Nothing being done for football and sport on the whole.  On the ground level, I look around me and I see all the contracts drying up, i see hard working people around who were making a decent living struggling to eat a something, especially in construction... As an entrepreneur myself and someone who is always talking to business owners, i see not enough being done to stimulate the economy and corporate TnT holding back from spending and investing.

All these articles written over the past couple weeks about the government are on point. I feel disappointed in this government and I will be the first to vote them out when the time come in spite of the equally inept status of the opposition.

With that out of the the way and back to the topic about Jack, the main reason that he was regarded as highly as he was as Minister of Works, was because of his visibility, availability and the fact that he was working hard. It is a known fact that Jack is in his constituency office at 5am daily, and even though the lines are long he is approachable and available to give constituents and audience. If there is a flood or a disaster, Jack is the first on site coordinating relief efforts. Naysayers may call this politics, but I think for a minister, approachability and visibility is major, and it says alot for someone to be in the field amongst his constituents rather than in an office in the clouds regardless of whether politically motivated or not. Ask anyone how it used to go trying to talk to Colm Imbert.

On a personal level, I myself encountered a number of people here who were affected by flooding and have told me personally that the assistance they got from the government was like they have never seen before in the past (in those exact words)... I will share 2 examples:

One of my best friend's parents' house was totally flooded out last year during heavy rains in Mausica. All the floors in the house was mud and silt, and it was the same for others in the neighborhod. He told me that what he had seen the next day when he went up to help them clean up amazed him... Everywhere was CEPEP crews in yellow vests assisting all the residents in the clean up efforts, house to house.. His exact words were, "ah cyah lie, i never see nothing like that nuh... the government come up big for us up here".

Second example was from one of my clients living in Diego Martin. There is a river running behind here house and during the flooding last year, part of her backyard (including a storage room) fell into the river.. Also the rest of the house was under a very real threat. The ministry sent contractors to build a retaining wall to prevent further erosion but the job was substandard at best. She told me she spoke to Jack directly and explained the situation and he promised to intervene. For a couple weeks, there was some red tape as it had to be forward to the Permanent Secretary etc, but eventually the crews showed up and were able to rectify the situation. Her words, "for all the talk, Jack real help me out in that situation.. I don't know what I would have done without that."

I've heard other accounts but these were just a couple examples. Now it might be just me, but those are things i really never heard about before.

Before the PURE program was suspended, road works were proceeding at an alarming rate and since being reinstated they continue ahead. Just a few weeks ago someone asked me what is the reason for all the road work about the place, if there is an election on the horizon. I think the best example was the interchange and the flyover at Aranguez. For all the talk about these being projects that were started under previous governments, the pace in which they were completed once Jack entered the ministry was alarming. It was the first time I see work crews on 24 hour shifts working through the night on the highway, and it is the fastest piece of work i personally have seen take place.

People have short memories, but I does really wonder where everyone was when I was dying in 2 hour traffic to come home every day, and the public was taking out radio ads and putting up billboards begging the government to "Build the f***ing interchange".

I can't say much about the current traffic plan because I don't be in POS as much now but I hear alot of differing reviews. Some people like Touches think its not working, other people say it working smoothly and they getting to their destinations alot faster. Pedestrians complaining about having to walk all the way to Ariapita for a taxi into town. But just like the PBR plan, I will give them credit for trying.

Nobody is perfect, Jack has plenty flaws.. in particular his penchant to move wild and reckless like in the current impasse with the Point Fortin Highway... But in terms of what my expectation is for a minister in Trinidad and Tobago, and in particular what I have seen come before.. Jack exceeds that by some measure.

Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: lefty on July 24, 2012, 06:42:02 PM
ting is dinho while alot of smaller isolated projects get done many many more necessary projects are bogged down and badly, while providing relief to individual small projects larger more important issues that were in the pipeline to be dealt with are going nowhere fast...  think macroeconomic here, think systems that can dramatically "we hope" affect efficiency in the countries affairs..... all that u have pointed out except for the interchange are micro projects in the grand scheme of things, as for the interchange, I know u were out of trini for a bit, but that has always been under budget and fast moving, in fact it is noteworthy that that project in and of itself never added to the traffic chaos during arguable the most complex stage.........Vinci construction was always a brilliant choice for that project.......and wen the PP came into power I was afraid they wouldn't be awarded stage2 and stage3, it is one of the few instances dat good sense has prevailed with this gov't so far......

so while people sing praises for projects that affect smaller interests, other projects that can directly affect genuine national development are in a bit of a mess..............this added to the fact that u have already acknowledged the economy remains stagnant............it may seem like I targeting u, but the scope of my discontent is far wider than simple tings that have little baring on the medium an' long term interests of this country........and he failing there

above and beyond all things I love my country......d people in it does piss mih off more often dan not, but I love my country.........so much so dat passport never bother me........is my mother went and get form an setup interview.......I get my first passport jus musbe 4months ago at 34.............I jus want d best for this place and he is NOT IT, he jus looks like "it" because we jus not accustomed to small relief in a seemingly timely manner.......but my concerns are primarily "big picture" concerns
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: truetrini on July 24, 2012, 07:05:29 PM
dinho, I hear you loud and clear.   But I also know for a fact that the same Colm Imbert for all his faults and gruff manner at times, did as much as you say that Jack did and in an expeditious manner for my family members up in Paramin and Maraval during flooding and mud slides.

Jack built a 2 million dollar retaining wall that fell flat during the first flood, the President's House still needs repair and he still eh build those retention ponds that would have made flooding thing of the past in POS.  We can even say he failed to act in Dec 2011 to fix the Grand Riviere there are other things I cyar remember all his damn failures.  I know that he did not reveal his much touted crime plan as promised today..or did he?   He was successful in passing dem brown envelopes stuffed with cash at the Hyatt though...lol

I don't know if you go on facebook, but if you do, take a gander at some of the bloggers who are locally based and feel as poorly about Jack Warner as we the ex-pats.

Jack Warner is a politician, he has always been, and he is a damn good one at that...does that translate into being a good Minister?  Nope!

I have spoken to some of my Indian frens up in Chaguanas, people who voted for him and used to pound me, they have similar dissatisfied stories to tell about promises unfulfilled etc.  Yeah he is visible, but to some he might as well be invisible as nutten gets done...doh kill de messenger.

I too went home and voted for this PP Government..gosh boy, I wish I could get back my time.

They are a do nutten government even by your own tales of contracts drying up, stagnant economy, nepotism and graft etc.  The thing is even if Jack super some make him out to be he is not Superman, he is a Super villain and should NOT be a member of Parliament farless a member of Cabinet and a Minister of National security.

if I have to spell out why to you, then I am sorry.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Brownsugar on July 25, 2012, 06:50:56 PM
Dinho,  I voted for them too.  Take mih farse self, jump on a plane and went Tobago to vote.  But dais where  our similarities in this situation end.   Because you had hope.  I had little to none.  This was primarily a UNC-led coalition.  The people of the Piarco airport fame.  Now I know it had corruption before under the PNM but I was too young to remember O'halloran and dem fellas so my first real encounter with wholesale corruption was under the UNC.   Then there is the issue of race relations taking a nose dive under the UNC.

On top of that Jack was a key player in this whole set up.  So while I voted for them, I was not prepared from the start to tolerate crap.  Cyar put the fox to guard the hen house and then walk off and leave it.  So everything we going through now eh all that surprising.  I will admit, I thought they would have given us a breather but the shit started from day one!!   So I was hitting them from day one too......

So why you had hope I have no idea. 

As for this action man you are making Jack out to be.  I find you should be my manager where I work.  I was getting exceed expectations every year on my performance assessment for doing nothing.  Cuz you trying to tell me that if I take over a job position from someone and all I do is finish what the person started, I deserve exceed expectation??  Because you trying to tell me that all these projects that Jack cut the ribbon for that THE PNM STARTED, is what he deserve kudos for??   Dais not he damn job??!!

The same interchange you say people was clamouring for wasn't already in train when Jack took over??   I feel is you that have the short memory yes.   They won the election in May 2010.  He cut the ribbon later that year.  It took less than a year to build that interchange??   That part of the interchange was almost done when the Jack came into office.  And please note it eh done yet eh.   Now I don't live in the East, Central or South which were the areas impacted by the interchange.   But I remember when the interchange first opened, people from those areas commented on how much the traffic had eased.  Now they complain its back to square one.  Especially in the evenings if you are going East.  Now that may not necessarily be Jack's fault and is probably the fact that thousands of cars have since been allowed on the roads since the interchange was built.  Again, jokey government allowed older cars to come back on the roads because they have to appease their base......no vision, no plan.... ::) ::) :frustrated: :frustrated:

Then Jack fixing up Chaguanas West.   I glad for he and dem.  In fact, he damn right to fix the area.  But how is that affecting me in St. Ann's East constituency?? My roads and bridges eh need fixing too??  Yuh know what would have really impressed me??  If he had found a way to collaborate with WASA so when dey dig up the blasted road, I eh denting mih rims in the pot hole that's left for months after.  THAT would have been some revolutionary stuff!!! 

PURE was already set up under the PNM.  He taking kudos for that too??    What did he set up??

I'm still waiting for people who tout that Jack is an action man to actually bring evidence of the revolutionary things he has done to earn the title cuz all I seeing is PR, smoke screen and BS.    Unfortunately for him, PR, smoke screen and BS eh goh wuk in Min of National Security......cuz dem criminals and dem eh get the memo yet that the action man reach..... ::) ::)

But bottom line is action man or no action man Jack's "flaws" as you call them (like its quite minor stuff the man name does be calling in  ::) ::)) is the very reason why he shouldn't be anywhere near our cabinet/treasury.  In a real, country we wouldn't even be having this discussion. 
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: weary1969 on July 26, 2012, 07:34:40 PM
Again I will say once is Jack and Kams and dat mottley crew I steups b4, during and after but d PNM will get my vote.
Title: Re: Ahhh Jack, Jack, Jack........
Post by: lefty on July 27, 2012, 08:43:04 AM
I eh know how ah manage to miss dis ....but good one nonetheless  :beermug: but disturbing the same time :-\ :worried: :worried: :banginghead:
Title: Re: Ahhh Jack, Jack, Jack........
Post by: Dutty on July 27, 2012, 10:39:39 AM
Jack had to establish himself in quick time and in quick time he did when, during his first stint as acting Prime Minister he offered a little boy who was kidnapped, subsequently abandoned for some reason and who found his own way out of the forest a National Award and a FIFA watch.

I miss that clean....did that really happen??
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: congo on July 27, 2012, 12:02:26 PM
Rumour has it Jack fire Gibbs and Ewatski...Not yet confirmed but that is the word going around. Guess we'll find out later for sure. ??? ???
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Socapro on July 27, 2012, 12:20:42 PM
Rumour has it Jack fire Gibbs and Ewatski...Not yet confirmed but that is the word going around. Guess we'll find out later for sure. ??? ???
If Jack has really fired Gibbs then he has my full support there!

First constructive thing he has done since being appointed Minister of National Security!  :beermug:
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Dutty on July 27, 2012, 12:33:43 PM
Rumour has it Jack fire Gibbs and Ewatski...Not yet confirmed but that is the word going around. Guess we'll find out later for sure. ??? ???

PrESSHa.
Jack go be minister and comissioner & deputy commish at de same time
he trying to get back all he lost salaries one way or de odder
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Socapro on July 27, 2012, 12:51:53 PM
Rumour has it Jack fire Gibbs and Ewatski...Not yet confirmed but that is the word going around. Guess we'll find out later for sure. ??? ???

PrESSHa.
Jack go be minister and comissioner & deputy commish at de same time
he trying to get back all he lost salaries one way or de odder
:rotfl:
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Football supporter on July 27, 2012, 01:10:31 PM
I didn't think that any Minister has the power to sack the cop. Thought only the PSC could hire and fire. (Of course, they're supposed to be independent, but thats another story!)
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Deeks on July 27, 2012, 03:35:12 PM
Rumour has it Jack fire Gibbs and Ewatski...Not yet confirmed but that is the word going around. Guess we'll find out later for sure. ??? ???

Fire them and bring in who? It does not matter who they hire. As long as there is political interference and second guessing, the TTPS will always be in tatters. I could never understand how Kamla and We had lambasted Patos for hiring Calder Hart, a Canadian. We also castigated PAtos for bringing outsiders to run the show. Low and behold, when PP designed their 20th century policing, they went straight to Canada and pick those 2. Some big time criminal consultantant may have made they suggestion. But it appears that it was doomed from the very get go. I don't know if the police personel has any faith or confidence in Gibbs, even though he has all the credentials and experience of a top cop.

People don't realise TT maybe a WI country but the people goals and aspirations are all over the place. Afros want to go this way. Indos want to go that way. The socalled parasite oligarchy just want the status quo to remain the same. which ever party in power, they will adjust to suit. The rogue elements in the Afro community is working with the rogue elements in the other communities which is causing mayhem in TT. And the irony here is the Afro communty is suffering the most. The TTPS which is predominatly Afro is left in a quandry. Everytime they arrest one of the rogue elements, these same elements are back out on the street because of some legal mistep by the police and they go out and create more mayhem. If the TTPS cannot get help from the legal system why must they obey the COP(whether Trini, English, American or Canadian).
Title: Re: Ahhh Jack, Jack, Jack........
Post by: Brownsugar on July 28, 2012, 04:19:28 AM
Jack had to establish himself in quick time and in quick time he did when, during his first stint as acting Prime Minister he offered a little boy who was kidnapped, subsequently abandoned for some reason and who found his own way out of the forest a National Award and a FIFA watch.

I miss that clean....did that really happen??

Yeah boy.......it was a gem.   And when people start asking him what chupidness he talking he gave his trademark "yesterday was yesterday, and today is today" type response.....
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Brownsugar on July 29, 2012, 06:56:16 AM
I breathe a sigh of relief from time to time that is not me alone seeing through the PR, smoke screen and BS.....

http://www.guardian.co.tt/columnist/2012-07-21/ready-die (http://www.guardian.co.tt/columnist/2012-07-21/ready-die)


Ready to die
Saturday, July 21, 2012
Paolo Kernahan

 

It’s just past the midpoint of the year and already the murder toll is well beyond 200. We tend to ignore the other serious crimes that for some reason do not get the grim attention of homicides. Home invasions which now always seem to be accompanied by extreme violence are the norm. I wrote quite some time ago that Trinis are pining for the days of the ordinary burglar who would break into homes in the absence of the owners.
 
Lawlessness on the road is at an all-time high. A day cannot go by without some sort of accident resulting from reckless driving. Recently, bandits made an attempt at forcing their way into the home of a close friend. When the matter was reported to the police, she was chided for having tampered with the windows the bandits were attempting to prize open.
 
This was pointless jibber jabber because even though the station is just a hawk and a spit away, not one officer showed up to investigate. A population under siege bayed for the head of the Minister of National Security. Happy to appease the mob at the moat, the Government capitulated and swapped out the media-meek John Sandy and elevated the glib-tongued action figure Jack Warner.
 
The embattled fifa boss had earned a reputation in the Ministry of Works as a decisive, can-do minister. Early in his tenure he was rolling out the excavators to clear water courses, taking advantage of fair weather. This sort of proactive work was hitherto unseen as the authorities would traditionally wait until citizens were up to their necks in muddy water and drowning ducks to mobilise the heavy equipment.
 
Jack Warner’s first surgical strike as the Minister of National Security was to mobilise the heavy equipment for a gang of protesters who has been terrorising a highway under construction. All the while, bullets are whiz-zing back and forth and the body count continues to climb.
 
 
Particularly troubling were the remarks coming from Jack Warner about initiatives of the Commissioner of Police which have been struggling to find purchase in the Police Service. He immediately rubbished the 21st century policing concept, suggesting that we need to establish the basics first.
 
If Mr Warner had taken the time to understand what is proposed, he would realise that 21st century policing is actually all about the basics. One of the fundamental planks of the strategy is to have police officers out of the police stations and on patrol. Officers have for too long been nursed by the comfort of having to “man” a police station, abandoning communities to bloodthirsty criminals.
 
Not so, says Jack Warner, who announced a plan to build more police stations. In fact quite recently, when approached for a comment on a murder, he told   the media that had the police station in the area not been closed that killing would not have happened.
 
Really? You perhaps ought to tell that to the woman who was sexually assaulted and was turned away from a police station because she was naked. Even worse, someone was actually shot and killed in the courtyard of a police station. Why should we at this stage be explaining to Jack Warner that police stations serve no purpose given that in most cases officers do not even respond to reports made by victims of crime?
 
Is it reasonable that we should still be schooling Jack Warner that it is better to have officers on patrol, serving as an ever present deterrent to crime as opposed to scribbling reports in a giant useless station diary after the fact? I even thought I heard the minister suggesting that fire fighters be drafted into the fight against crime. Next I suppose he will be calling on the Justice League or maybe the Thundercats.   :rotfl: :rotfl:
 
The minster has found a great ally in the police union, the executive of which likes nothing better than the idea of police officers relaxing in the station. On the daily Jack Warner show, the nightly news, the mighty minister said the public ought to expect some inconvenience as he rolls out his crime plan. More inconvenient that the state of emergency which cost businesses hundreds of thousands of dollars, cost workers much needed jobs and further crippled an already lethargic economy?
 
All of this we now accept was for nought because not one single element of that “shock and awe” tactic was retained beyond the last day of the state of emergency. Even more breathtaking is the minister’s comment on another recent killing, in which he suggested that the victim had a long rap sheet so “that was no ordinary murder.” Has it been so long that former Police Commissioner Hilton Guy said the very same thing and drew the derision and condemnation of the entire public?
 
The simple, horrifying fact is the war is lost because the general is lost. The most that we can do is make our last stand in our homes, and pray for a mercifully sharpened cutlass or, better, the quick dispatch of a well-placed bullet.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Flex on July 30, 2012, 03:00:53 AM
Rowley: Time to axe Jack
By Nadaleen Singh (Guardian)


The Opposition is demanding the removal of Jack Warner as National Security Minister because he is “an embarrassment” to the country. Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley said there are matters concerning Warner which are still under investigation and he should be removed. Rowley has written to both the Integrity Commission about Warner’s “secret” bank account and to Commissioner of Police Dwayne Gibbs calling for an investigation of the matter.

“We demand that the Prime Minister (Kamla Persad-Bissessar) remove Jack Warner ... who is a constant embarrassment to the people of T&T,” he said at a news conference at Balisier House, Port-of-Spain, yesterday. Referring to Warner’s comments that he was not answerable to any politician Rowley said: “This is a wholly unacceptable situation. If Mr Warner was a private citizen and had taken the position that he would respond to no queries about his conduct we could not take issue with that. Mr Jack Warner holds the very important position of minister of government in T&T and from time-to-time he holds the position of head of the Cabinet.”

On Friday, Warner said he was not prepared to answer any questions about football matters. But yesterday, Rowley contended that Warner is subjected to the rules of the Integrity Commission for people in public life. “In this situation where he holds the position of a person in public life, he is subject to the law which governs the existence of the Integrity in Public Life Act. It is quite unacceptable for Mr Warner to want to hold public office and to take the position that he would be answerable to no one.

Last week, the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) released a report on investigations into allegations of bribery by Caribbean Football Union (CFU) delegates when they visited T&T for a meeting at the Hyatt Regency Trinidad. In the CAS report Warner was described as an “unreliable witness.”

Rowley said there is need to investigate the matter to ensure there was no breach of law. “We in the PNM call on the police in T&T to conduct the necessary investigation, given the public information and evidence that was available in the public domain to ensure that no person, not specifically Mr Warner, that no person who might have broken our laws would have gotten away,” he said.

Regarding Warner’s “secret” bank account Rowley stated: “Any account Warner has, any such account which he has any interest $1 or more immediately falls under the interest of the Integrity Commission.” Asked whether he believed that the Integrity Commission is a toothless bulldog, Rowley said: “The Commission has its own challenges as it exists, but the law said there shall be a Commission, so I assume there is a Commission.”

Rowley added: “We’ve sent three pieces of correspondences to the Integrity Commission. We are writing the Commissioner of Police and copying the DPP (Director of Public Prosecutions) where we are calling on them to act in the face of the evidence in the public domain because our accusations are very clear.” he said.

In response to the Opposition Leader’s statements yesterday Communications Minister, Jamal Mohammed said: “Dr Rowley is entitled to his opinion. Let the process take place. As the Prime Minister had indicated, we stand with Mr Warner.”
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Flex on July 30, 2012, 03:13:02 AM
‘Let jackasses bray’
By Nalinee Seelal (Newsday).

“Let the jackasses bray.”


This was National Security Minister Jack Warner’s response yesterday to Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley who earlier accused Government of brow-beating Commissioner of Police Dwayne Gibbs, amid reports of plans to fire the Canadian police chief and compatriot Deputy Commissioner Jack Ewatski.

Warner declined to comment on if the reports were true and would only confirm there was a meeting of the National Security Council, chaired by Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar, last Friday.

“I attended a national security meeting on Friday which I cannot discuss with the press for security reasons. I cannot comment on any matters discussed at the national security meeting,” Warner said.

Pressed further for comment on Rowley’s accusation that Government was interfering in the management of the Police Service, Warner replied, “Let the jackasses bray.”

Rowley claims Government was taking steps to remove Gibbs from office to install someone “of their choice.” It has been reported that Deputy Commissioner Stephen Williams, a Trinidadian, who rose through the ranks of the Police Service is favoured for the post of top cop.

Williams had been rejected by the PNM administration of Patrick Manning when the Police Service Commission short-listed him as the nominee to be Commissioner of Police (CoP)— an appointment that has to be approved by Parliament.

Speaking during a media briefing at Balisier House, Tranquillity Street, Port-of-Spain yesterday, Rowley said Warner was “brow beating the Commissioner of Police,” “threatening him and making him a little boy”.

He made these remarks while speaking on allegations against Warner in relation to the FIFA bribery affair. During the question and answer session, Rowley said Warner has been making his views public about who he wanted as CoP. Rowley said it is under a UNC coalition that action was being led against a CoP, undermining the independence of the CoP’s office.

“Intimidating him (Gibbs) even when he (Warner) stands...to be investigated by the said police,” said Rowley, adding, “(Warner) is indicating a possible truncation of the Police Commissioner’s tenure which has serious implications for independence and for replacement by a select team of the Minister of National Security.”

Rowley said he would not be surprised if the “action man”, as Warner is called, managed to get Government to terminate Gibb’s contract on the basis of non-performance.

“That is a matter for the Police Service Commission that is not a matter for the National Security Minister,” he said.

President of the Police Social and Welfare Association, Sgt Anand Ramesar, yesterday said several members had contacted him about information circulating that plans were afoot to dismiss Gibbs and Ewatski.

Ramesar said the association has always lobbied for performance to be pegged to compensation for the positions of CoP and Deputy CoP.

“We believe that sufficient time has elapsed for a decision to be made, in recent times, there has been many blunders which has adversely affected the Police Service by way of example, morale is very low due to the stagnation of promotions caused by certain decisions of the Commissioner. We believe that the overriding agenda must be to provide leadership in the Police Service to bring about a reduction of crime as well as improve the productivity and efficiency of the service,” Ramesar said.

He said the association would support Williams for the post of CoP if the contacts of Gibbs and Ewatski were bought out by Government.

“During when Williams served in the capacity of Commissioner of Police he would have demonstrated an ability to motivate the officers in the organisation and we think that is what is required at this point in time. The association will throw its fullest support behind DCP Williams if he is given a mandate to lead the Police Service.”

Gibbs and Ewatski have one year to serve on the three-year contracts given to them.

Warner last week said he had written Gibbs asking him to reopen all police stations closed down as part of the 21st Century policing initiative, stating that “those who don’t hear will feel”. Sources yesterday said although Government is not satisfied with the performances of Gibbs and Ewatski it was treading carefully on any moves to replace them.

Newsday also contacted Attorney General Anand Ramlogan on the matter, but he said he was out of the country on vacation and did not attend any National Security Council meeting last Friday. Calls to the cellphone of Persad-Bissessar went unanswered yesterday.

Gibbs and Ewatski also did not answer calls to their cellphones.

Speak out on Jack
By Lara Pickford-Gordon (Newsday).


The Opposition People’s National Movement (PNM) is calling on the public and interest groups in society to speak out on the allegations and information on the conduct of Minister of National Security Jack Warner, in relation to his tenure as a FIFA vice-president.

The PNM has called for Warner to be removed as minister.

Addressing a press briefing at Balisier House, Tranquillity Street, Port-of-Spain yesterday Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley likened Warner’s position that he would not comment on anything, akin to him (Warner) telling the PNM, media and country “to go to Hell, and he is above the law.”

He called for the TT Transparency Institute, the Inter-Religious Organisation, labour movement, TT Chamber of Industry and Commerce, TT Manufacturers’ Association, South Chamber of Industry, Law Association, West Indies Group of University Teachers, UWI Student’s Guild to comment.

Rowley said, “at the end of the day we will know whether TT subscribes to that fundamental principle of morality in public affairs because the answer to that is desperately required at this time.” He said corruption came in many forms but the worst was facilitation of an environment when it is accepted as a way of life.

Rowley referred to evidence before the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) that money was brought into TT and it was under the control of Warner, and noted Warner was accused of being “economical with the truth.”

He observed that Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar has remained silent on the allegations and is quoted in media reports as saying she stood by her ministers. Rowley said the CAS in reviewing FIFA documents found that Warner was operating a secret account.

The CAS judgment which quashed FIFA’s lifetime ban on Mohamed bin Hammam said the account contained Caribbean Football Union (CFU) and Warner’s personal funds, and the CFU had no explanation for two cheques drawn on the account totalling US$455,000. According to Rowley, “any such account in which he had interest $1 or more immediately fell under the interest of the Integrity Commission and to not declare that would have been a crime.”

He said an audit report from PriceWaterhouseCoopers from the Asian Football Federation stated that Warner received cash payments in 2008 and this should have been reported to the Integrity Commission. Rowley referred to the lead story in yesterday’s Newsday’s saying there were a “series of other allegations” on Warner’s declarations to the commission.

Warner has companies listed in the Company Registry which do not appear in the Integrity Commission’s register of interests including his directorship at Simpaul’s Travel and an interest in the Centre of Excellence, Macoya.

He said Warner has been the subject of “a cascade of allegations” which pointed to serious wrongdoing and in some instances criminal conduct. Rowley criticised Warner’s position that he would not respond or cooperate with investigations and publicly sought to downplay the importance of the allegations. Even “more troubling” is Warner’s decision not respond to any concerns raised by parliamentarians or citizens. Rowley said Warner as someone holding public office could not adopt such a stance.

“Mr Jack Warner holds the very important position of a minister of Government in Trinidad and Tobago and more importantly he holds the position of head of Cabinet, ie acting Prime Minister.”

Warner is subject to the Integrity in Public Life Act. “It is unacceptable for Mr Warner to hold public life and to take the position he is answerable to no one,” Rowley said.

On Saturday the General Council unanimously passed a resolution condemning Warner’s behaviour and calling for his immediate removal from the Cabinet “in keeping with the protection of the public interest”, TT’s international image, and the Government’s promise of good governance.

Rowley recounted the controversies surrounding Warner when he took office in 2010. His decision to hold on to the post of FIFA vice-president and president of Concacaf after he was appointed Minister although it was brought to the Prime Minister’s attention for him to remain on the FIFA executive would be a violation of the Code of Ethics of the Parliament.

Then last year the issue of the foreign currency being brought into TT. Rowley said the PNM was not interested in FIFA’s business but was concerned about Warner’s posture that he was above the laws in TT.

Rowley said Warner had made a “career” of running away from investigations on his personal conduct. He said following the 1989 controversy with ticket sales (from the game involving the Strike Squad verus the United States) Warner chose not to cooperate with an enquiry to clear his name.

“Recently this international fiasco took place at FIFA he took the position to run away from FIFA and not face his accusers and clear his name. We now have other allegations made against him with the potential to generate criminal charges he has taken the position again of not being interested and brushing it aside,” Rowley said.

Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: congo on July 30, 2012, 06:40:49 PM
Gibbs and Ewatski gone. Let's just sit back and enjoy the ride.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Deeks on July 30, 2012, 06:59:31 PM
Nothing against Gibbs and Ewatski personally, but the had to go. I felt they were used from the very beginning. Political interfereence from the start. Plus the rank and file just never appeared to be in sync with the 2. Honestly, I don't have an answer.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: weary1969 on July 30, 2012, 07:54:52 PM
Gibbs and Ewatski gone. Let's just sit back and enjoy the ride.

I sitting back since May 25th 2010
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: zuluwarrior on August 09, 2012, 04:20:05 PM



Jack: PNM in cahoots with criminal elements
 


National Security Minister Jack Warner believes that criminal elements are working with the Opposition PNM to get him out of office. During a town meeting held at Warner Village, Charlieville, in his Chaguanas West Constituency on Tuesday night, Warner said the local underworld bosses want to see him out as Minister of National Security so their illegal activities can prosper.
 
 
 
He said people at the top level involved in the drug trade, illegal guns and the importation of sex slaves want crime to run rampant in T&T. They are trying to get rid of me...they are trying to get me at that level, but the fact is that they would not succeed,” Warner said. He said Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar has full confidence in him. “There are top, top, top, top people in this country who we have to flush out,” he said.
 
 
 
Warner said CCTV cameras would be installed throughout T&T and would involve surveillance of public places with the option of having householders connecting their cameras to a network which would be monitored by police. He said mobile police posts were also in the works with several to be placed in his Chaguanas West constituency. He also spoke briefly of a 30-day amnesty for holders of illegal guns and ammunition.
 
 
 
Warner said after the amnesty expires, anyone caught with illegal arms and ammunition would be tried before a gun court. He also said 5,000  Special Reserve policemen would be recruited in the continuing fight against crime and there would be the option of becoming full-time and part-time officers. Warner also encouraged teachers and public servants to apply to become SRPs.
 
 
 
On Tuesday, villagers gave Warner feedback on drainage and infrastructure projects undertaken in their community. He promised to look into complaints made by the residents regarding the standard of the work done. He said Warner Village had seen no development under the PNM and that many were quick to criticise the PP Government but failed to realise that the alternative was a PNM led by Dr Keith Rowley

Imbert is calling on the minister to apoligise to the PNM for making such reckless comments 
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Bourbon on August 10, 2012, 07:37:53 AM
But I thought the next crime plan wouldnt be announced..it would just happen?
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: lefty on August 10, 2012, 07:42:19 AM
steups
Title: The Rise of Papa Jack?
Post by: Die_Hard on August 22, 2012, 10:02:15 AM
 The Rise of Papa Jack?

I know it is impolite to begin a conversation with a question, but in this instance I have no choice but to ask, is Trinidad & Tobago on its way to becoming a police state?

On the anniversary of a still not yet properly explained State of Emergency where the rights of the citizens were trampled upon for no given or justifiable reason, those responsible are playing fast and loose with their obligation to the population and are ignoring the growing calls to explain what exactly was the thinking behind the move.

And the reason I say fast and loose is that, for something like a State of Emergency to work then certainly the people have to agree.

Imagine the consequences to government if for any reason the national consensus becomes that the government abused its power for no good reason, on what would it rely to exercise its authority in the future? What would be the result if the government tried to declare another state of emergency and God forbid, the people refused to comply?

See how quickly the ground on which we walk could become slippery?

In a democratic republic where the rule of law is supreme and the Constitution of the Republic the Supreme Law, one must always return to the people in whom all power is vested if not for a fresh mandate then to at least explain your actions when they appear at odds with the people's will.

It is only in dictatorships, police states and absolute monarchies could the will of the people be ignored and their concerns easily brushed aside, but unless there are individuals in the government with royal delusions, the signs as they exist point in another more sinister direction.

Minister of Everything Jack Warner's singular decision to enlarge the police service with first five and now ten thousand Special Reserve Police officers is troubling and one has to be concerned as to what exactly is taking place with our democracy.

People who specialize in law enforcement who continue to insist that ours is not a manpower shortage problem but a manpower management and deployment problem are being ignored by those with no knowledge whatsoever, and the belief that the solution lies in an arms race and an escalation of violence may well further lubricate the landscape with an inexhaustible supply of blood long before anything even remotely resembling success could make itself known.

Jack's tongue in cheek calls to police to be more severe with the criminals they encounter may result in a push back that none of us can envisage at this time, and in a country that seems more and more ready to boil over, adding more fire could only end in more tragedy and loss of life on both sides.

Personally I worry for my country. I believe that crime, especially violent crime is being allowed to run unchecked to encourage the people to erroneously choose a suspension of human rights and civil liberties as an option, ignoring Benjamin Franklin's admonishing that 'those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither and will eventually lose both.'

There is nothing good down this road that we are on but the concentration of all power into one man's hands and this must never be allowed to occur, especially in a time when people all over the world are literally dying to wrest power back from similar self imposed strong men.

Students of history know that it is not so much those who facilitate wrong that are most to blame, but those who have the power to prevent it and sit idly by and let it happen.

An informed and active electorate is more powerful than anything in the maintenance of a democracy, and it is time our people moved from the sidelines of voting (maybe) every five years and getting more actively involved in the decisions that are being made on their behalf.

If I am wrong then surely we could lose little by deepening our democracy and empowering our people. But what if I'm right?

Posted by Phillip Edward Alexander at 7:15 AM
Title: Re: The Rise of Papa Jack?
Post by: truetrini on August 22, 2012, 10:15:52 AM
papayo!
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Socapro on August 22, 2012, 06:57:53 PM
And now a word of discomfort from our Minister of National Insecurity!

https://www.youtube.com/v/sk1hK6AaDdA
Official reason for SoE that started around this time last year is still classified and cannot be given?! :bs:
Title: Crime not as grim, says Jack
Post by: Socapro on August 22, 2012, 07:18:13 PM
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Crime_not_as_grim__says_Jack-166989196.html

Crime not as grim, says Jack
By Renuka Singh
Story Created: Aug 21, 2012 at 11:00 PM ECT


National Security Minister Jack Warner yesterday said the crime situation was not as "grim" as it would seem despite the reports he has been seeing in the newspapers.
 
Warner said while he cannot tell media houses how to do their jobs, he wanted the country to know that crime statistics were already down.
 
"I have seen the headlines this morning (yesterday) and like you, there is a cause for concern," he said at a media conference at his Temple Court office on Abercromby Street, Port of Spain.
 
Warner then detailed the variances in murders and other serious crimes from 2010-2012. He said for the January to August period in 2010 there was a total of 328, while for the same period in 2010 there were 272 crimes. By 2012, that figure for the same period had dropped to 264, he said.
 
"That is including this massive, big figure of seven you read in today's paper (Express). Generally speaking, as far as serious crimes are concerned, there has been a reduction and even so far as homicides are concerned," he said.
 
"It is no comfort really whether it is eight less or ten less as the case may be, but the fact that I am making to you, is that it is not as grim or as bad as it seems. In fact every effort is being done by the authorities so as to minimise the amount of murders taking place especially in the hot spots. And I don't want to call any particular areas because if I do that to show in a two- month period there has not been a single murder, some clown may prove me wrong tonight," he said.
 
"In the light of the State of Emergency and in light of this sensational headline of seven murders, I thought I should talk to you," he said to the media.
 
With regard to the issues that precipitated last year's calling for a State of Emergency, Warner said it was not because of the spate of murders over a short period of time, but was because of a still classified threat to national security.
 
Warner said countries like Jamaica endured worse criminal statistics yet when he perused those newspapers, he saw that no major emphasis was placed on it.
 
"I know that Jamaica is approaching 700 murders so far for the year. At the ending of July 643 murders and I have gone through every newspaper in the last six, seven months and I have not seen a single headline about the murder rate," Warner said.
 
He said in speaking with his media friends in Jamaica, he was told that reporting murders has no economical value for the country or the country's tourist trade.
 
"I am not telling anybody or any media house how to do their job, all I am telling you is what Jamaica does and what we do," he said.
 
"This year as we speak, is better than last year, last year this time was better than the year before and therefore the situation is not as grim. Anyone who has any concern for one's country would understand that when you do these things without proper analysis you don't help your country, you will sell a paper or two more, but you don't help your economy or your tourist trade," he said.
 
Warner said a criminal "clown" would be proud that his "work" got mentioned in the newspapers.
 
"I cannot tell you how to run your paper, or run your business," he said.

With regards to the police stations delivery timeline, Warner said instead of seeking funding to refurbish and in some cases rebuild police stations, the former Minister of Finance Winston Dookeran sought funding from the Public Sector Investment Programme (PSIP). He said the delivery of the Roxborough and Old Grange Police Stations in Tobago was "still a priority".
 
Warner said the public tender for the design, bid and build for the police stations will go out in three weeks and the details were being finalised "right now".
 
"The work on the police stations would be done in tranches," he said.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: grimm01 on August 22, 2012, 07:51:35 PM
Crime? What crime? Nothing to see here, please move along.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: D.H.W on August 22, 2012, 07:55:56 PM
 :bs:
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Bakes on August 22, 2012, 08:39:50 PM
Kamla with she own mouth reference the 11 people killed over the short period of time, as evidence of brewing gang warfare, part of a larger threat to national security, as the basis for the SoE.  Now Jack saying, the explosion in murders was not a reason why it was called.  I glad I not living in Trinidad yes.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Deeks on August 22, 2012, 08:47:23 PM
Black hen chickens killing one another.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: truetrini on August 22, 2012, 10:10:47 PM
Black hen chickens killing one another.

Some call it a result of PNM hegemony
Title: Jack under fire for crime statement
Post by: Socapro on August 23, 2012, 12:26:58 AM
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2012-08-23/jack-under-fire-crime-statement

Jack under fire for crime statement
Published: Thursday, August 23, 2012
Yvonne Baboolal


The business community, civil groups and the Opposition have all dismissed National Security Minister Jack Warner’s announcement on Tuesday that the crime situation is not as grim as it seems. Some have even expressed surprise at his statement. Warner, at a press conference, using statistics to back up his claim, said there was an almost three per cent reduction in murders between January and Tuesday, compared to the same period last year.

“We don’t feel the same way...The situation is grim and needs urgent attention,” Catherine Kumar, chief executive officer of the T&T Chamber of Commerce, said. “We were quite surprised at his comments.” Kumar said previous reported statistics actually showed an increase in crime. “But I imagine he has the correct facts,” she added. Kumar said a three per cent reduction is insignificant since there are way too many murders.

“It’s not at an acceptable level,” she noted. Kumar said the crime situation continues to make the business community very uneasy. “We have not been able to develop something to curb crime in a serious way, particularly murders, and there is a concern,” she said. Gregory Aboud, president of the Downtown Owners and Merchants Association (DOMA), said T&T “is in the midst of another very serious and dangerous period of criminal activity.

“One can understand Warner’s defensive reaction to the reporting of crime statistics by the media,” he said. “Having just assumed office, one can understand he is not responsible for the very serious crime situation, nor could he be expected to have any drastic impact in the short time he has been the Minister of National Security. “But the minister should realise very quickly that citizens will not be satisfied with a three per cent or 30 per cent reduction in murders.

“We are all aware that over the past ten years there has been an increase of between 400 per cent and 500 per cent in serious crimes, particularly murders.” He said any attempt to minimise the seriousness of crime in the downtown city centre actually causes people to become more uneasy and scared. “People assume that DOMA is not taking their safety as seriously as it should be taken,” he added.

He said any similar attempt by the Government to minimise the seriousness of crime would also result in citizens losing confidence in the State’s ability to protect them. Aboud said the traditional positions of governments was to speak about their accomplishments. “But the infamous remark by a previous minister that there was a ‘decrease in the increase’ in crime is all we need remember to reinforce this point.”

He said DOMA hoped Warner would do away with these traditional positions. “We have hopes he will restore confidence in citizens by accepting we are in the midst of another very serious and dangerous period of criminal activity.” The Tunapuna Chamber had a similar position. President Taran Singh said the reality was that the crime rate was still very high. “A three per cent reduction is like saying you had 100 murders and now you have 97,” he said.

“We want a 20 per cent reduction. There is a lot of work to be done still. “While we are not questioning the figures, the business community in a developing country can’t accept a three per cent crime reduction.” Singh said the chamber remained optimistic about Warner’s capabilities. “The minister has crime plans and we are expecting to see more allocations to national security in the upcoming budget,” he said.

Ibrahim Ali, of the San Juan Chamber, said no one could convince him crime has decreased when he sees on a daily basis the number of murders taking place. “In the San Juan/El Socorro constituency, we are very uneasy,” he said. Ali said the chamber agrees with the minister’s plans to have more police manpower and a greater presence on the streets. He noted, however, that problems in the court system also needed to be addressed.

Opposition MP Colm Imbert asked: “How on earth you can have a three per cent reduction in crime? “There are more murders this year than last year. What nonsense is he talking about?” Fixin T&T, a civil society group, said it places no credence in anything Warner has to say. “We reiterate our position that he should not hold any ministerial post until there is a favourable outcome of a thorough and efficient investigation into all matters concerning him.” The group called on the Prime Minister to provide a detailed explanation to citizens to justify Warner’s presence in her Cabinet.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: 1-868 on August 23, 2012, 05:39:18 AM
GOVT MEETS GANG LEADERS

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/GOVT_MEETS_GANG_LEADERS-167137415.html

ational Security Minister Jack Warner has confirmed that a representative was sent from his Ministry to hold talks with gang leaders in Laventille yesterday.

Warner said he has not turned his back on these persons and if their demands were within the law, they would be met.

The three-hour meeting, which took place at the St Paul's Street Multipurpose Facility, Laventille, began at 10 a.m. and ended at 1 p.m.

TV6 News reported last night that persons coming out of the meeting, including trade union leader Watson Duke, were tight-lipped and refused to comment on the closed-door talks.

Duke continued to remain mum on the matter last night when contacted by the Express, repeatedly saying "no comment" when pressed with questions on the meeting.

Warner was questioned on the meeting yesterday by the media when he attended the National Security Ministry's Military Tattoo at Woodford Square, Port of Spain.

He said the meeting with the gang leaders was one at their request and he did not attend, but sent chairman of the Office of Law Enforcement Policy of the Ministry of National Security Keith Renaud to meet with the group.

Warner refused to make any further comment on the issue, saying he would prefer to do so after reading the report on the outcome of the meeting.

"I told him (Renaud) to go and see what they wanted, and if what they wanted was within the law then we would do it, and I asked him to go and see. But I haven't turned my back on them. When the report comes, through the AG, through the Ministry of Justice and through Cabinet, we would look at it," said Warner.

Laventille East/Morvant MP Donna Cox told the Express last night she had heard about the meeting days before from people in her constituency.

"I really don't know what was the purpose of the meeting, but I know he (Warner) ducked out of the meeting because people went there expecting to meet him," said Cox.

"I don't know if he (Warner) was advised not to go because of all that was said before about the PNM (People's National Movement)... as usual they continue to take things and twist it to suit themselves to make the PNM look bad,'' said Cox.

She was referring to the criticisms by the former United National Congress (UNC) opposition of a meeting former prime minister Patrick Manning held with "community leaders'' at the Crowne Plaza hotel in September 2006.

The meeting was called to sign a peace accord to stop murders that were taking place along the East-West Corridor during that time. Most of the "community leaders" who had attended that meeting are now deceased.

Cox said although she was not around at that time, Manning's meeting was aimed at peace and was an avenue to call a truce among rival gang members.

She said these people needed a neutral force in order for them to "kiss and make up" and the then UNC Opposition twisted it to make it seem as though Manning was in bed with the criminals.

"I guess that's the reason he ducked out of the meeting, he probably was advised not to go because they fear what would be said about it," said Cox.

Lamenting the criminal activity taking place in her constituency and the country at large, Cox said she tries herself to lend counsel and advise people to turn away from the life of crime.

"My real problem is how they are influencing the youth as this will allow a vicious cycle to continue," she said.

Another concern, she claimed, was that CEPEP and URP contracts were being awarded to known criminal elements.

"This is a dangerous path we are going down, is it an attempt to stop crime or for them to buy more guns?" she asked.

Cox said any meeting that is geared to bring about peace should be welcomed and if Warner had given his word to meet with these gang leaders then he should have.

In November last year, during a sitting of the House of Representatives, Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar announced that her Government would spend $300 million for the "Colour Me Orange" programme to create jobs in "hot spot" areas.

Persad-Bissessar had said her Government would engage the youth and most vulnerable members of the community in a massive job-creation programme.

"May I state categorically that we will not be meeting or engaging the services of so-called community leaders. We left that behind us on May 24, 2010, with the last administration.

"On the contrary, we will engage communities using existing and proven village councils, residents, tenants associations and action committees," the Prime Minister had said.

—with reporting by

Renuka Singh and Jabari Fraser
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: truetrini on August 23, 2012, 05:57:36 AM
http://www.newsday.co.tt/politics/0,146807.html

EXCERPTS: 

Hear Kamla:

The following is an edited version of Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar’s contribution to the debate on the motion to extend the state of emergency for three months in Parliament on Sunday. The motion was passed with 29 Government MPs voting for the extension and with ten votes against by the Opposition MPs.

As I begin the substance of this contribution, I preface it with a quotation from the father of the Indian constitution, Dr Ambedker. He reminds us: “Law and order are the medicine of the body politic and when the body politic gets sick, medicine must be administered.”

First of all, do you remember when the former leader of the PNM, the former Prime Minister, meeting with the head of the Jamaat during the 18/18 tie when his party was appointed to the Government? Do you remember when he promised to give back land at Mucurapo to the Jamaat? Do you remember that? He only relented then there was a tremendous hue and cry. Do you remember how the Muslimeen campaigned for the PNM in the marginalised seats and terrorised supporters of the Opposition in Tunapuna and in San Fernando? Do you remember that?

In fact, there is an affidavit in the courthouse that speaks to all the meetings held with the PNM leadership and with the Jamaat al Muslimeen, making promises for favours for their support to get votes.

Do you remember that, Mr Speaker? Do you remember the billions spent in CEPEP, URP and the ghost gangs to fund their activities?

What do you think happened with all the alleged contracts that these gang leaders received through the PNM? Their political support for the PNM had come at a price, and this nation is still today paying for it.

Do you remember that he was so boldfaced, when one of these gang leaders died that the then Prime Minister dubbed him, what? Do you remember, Mr Speaker? A national hero! Do you remember that?

Do you remember when the political leader of the PNM, the then leader and the Prime Minister, met with the gang leaders at a fancy hotel? You have spoken of it. Do you remember that? But this is 2011. We do not negotiate and wine and dine with gang leaders at hotels as that last administration did. We will not wine and dine with them.

Mr Speaker, in fact, you would have seen the reports over the last few days, when it was learnt that there were gang leaders at the hotel, what did we do? They were raided and arrested to be taken before the courts. That is the difference.

The moment the PNM government of the day took the decision to negotiate with criminal elements in exchange for political support that set off a dangerous course of events from which this country is still reeling today, and do you know why, Mr Speaker?

The moment you sit and talk with the enemy such as that, what you have in effect done is to surrender power. You have ceded constitutional power and legal authority to the gang leaders. How can any government sit and talk about co-existing with criminals.

That is the antithesis of good governance, to sit and negotiate and talk with gang leaders and criminals—coexist with them in the full glare, as we said, of the country and the media. That is exactly what they did, a stone’s throw from here from the Parliament in a hotel.

And why did they do it? They did it just to stay in power, never mind the consequences to the citizenry and the nation; never mind. That could never be a crime fighting method. It could never be a weapon against crime, because what? Since then the situation has grown worse.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Jah Gol on August 23, 2012, 07:52:32 AM
Déjà vu.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: zuluwarrior on August 23, 2012, 04:12:54 PM
People get ring side for this battle, be there to witness blows from these two heavy hitters Mayor Lee Sing VS Jack Warner  our DISHONOURABLE  MINISTER OF NATIONAL INSECURITY.

The mayor said if this man say run stand .
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: weary1969 on August 23, 2012, 05:51:00 PM
People get ring side for this battle, be there to witness blows from these two heavy hitters Mayor Lee Sing VS Jack Warner  our DISHONOURABLE  MINISTER OF NATIONAL INSECURITY.

The mayor said if this man say run stand .


If Jack say d sky blue u betta look up 1st.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Michael-j on August 23, 2012, 06:04:42 PM
Jack says he was  duped by Lee Sing into attending the meeting involving gang leaders  ::)
I want to know, at what point in the meeting did Jack realize he was in the presence of gang leaders? If he was so vehemently opposed to it why didn't he just walk out! Surely they( the gangsters)  didn't wait till the meeting was over to make their introductions.
Title: Warner claims entrapment in meeting with POS Mayor
Post by: Tallman on August 23, 2012, 06:22:49 PM
Warner claims entrapment in meeting with POS Mayor
ctntworld.com

 
The Minister of National Security, Mr. Jack Warner, has claimed that he was "duped" into attending a meeting on August 15th with the Mayor of Port of Spain, PSA President Watson Duke, a union representative and two persons who wanted to leave their criminal past behind.
 
At Thursday's Post Cabinet Media Briefing, Mr. Warner explained the circumstances leading up to the meeting. He said Mayor Louis Lee Sing called him and invited him to a 9am meeting at his office on August 15th, saying it was important but gave no further details.
 
"I readily agreed. Admittedly, I did not see that the extension of an invitation from the Mayor of Port of Spain as being one arising out of Balisier House. I did not see the intention of that invitation as even one from a PNM elected Mayor. I did not see it as a Rowley-inspired agenda. I accepted the invitation to attend the meeting at the Mayor's office in Port of Spain merely because of the Mayor of Port of Spain and in fact, I have had several meetings there before."
 
Mr. Warner said when he arrived at the Mayor's office on August 15th, he was surprised to see Mr. Watson Duke, another member of his union and two others. He said the Mayor then explained that he convened the meeting to ensure the reduction of crime in the Laventille area, but he asked what they expected his role to be.
 
"I was told by the Mayor that a collaborative approach and consultation with those who sought peace in Laventille would be productive and he proposed a larger meeting on Wednesday August 22nd at St. Paul Street Community Centre at 10am. I took the decision that the meeting of last Wednesday, that meeting that I was in some ways duped into attending, and I felt that the one that was being planned for yesterday should be one which would involve the law enforcement officials. I left the place of entrapment, that is the Mayor's office, which I believe had been intended for me, and I immediately called a meeting with the Acting Commissioner of Police, Stephen Williams, the Deputy Commissioner of Police, Mervyn Williams, and the Chief of Defense Staff, Kenrick Maharaj. This took place at 10:30am at the Ministry of National Security, exactly 20 minutes after the conclusion of the meeting at the Mayor's office."
 
During this meeting with law enforcement officials, Mr. Warner relayed what took place at the Mayor's office and suggested that they, as the senior officers of the Police Service and Defense Force, were better suited to attend the meeting scheduled for Wednesday 22nd August, 2012.
 
"All of them agreed and they also felt that there should be a representative from the Ministry of National Security as well. The next meeting was held yesterday at the St. Paul Street Community facility at 10am. I did not attend."
 
Minister Warner said he was advised that Mr. Duke and several members of the Laventille community, attended the meeting with five senior members of the Police Service.
 
"Interestingly enough, the Mayor of Port of Spain, who had agreed to the hosting of the meeting, and had promised his attendance, reneged on his promise and did not attend yesterday's meeting. Yesterday's meeting nevertheless took place without my presence and I am further advised that the list of issues raised by members in attendance were the need for peace in the Laventille community, sustainable jobs, security for the Life Sport programme, and the rehabilitation of the St. Paul Street Playground."
 
The National Security Minister criticised a report in the Daily Express which indicated that he held a meeting with gang leaders since it was not true. He said reporters should ask why the Mayor called Mr. Warner to the meeting on August 15th.
 
"Why didn't he attend yesterday's meeting? Or was he hoping that I would have been stupid enough to arrive there in the glare of the hidden cameras that were planted there from the media? Was the meeting idea an hour of entrapment hatched at Balisier House?"
 
Minister Warner said that the Government will not negotiate law and order.
 
"Jack Warner imposes it, he doesn't negotiate it. At the end of the day the question must be asked why would they go to such lengths to entrap me."
 
He said he will succeed in the fight against crime, despite plots and moves to see him fail.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Football supporter on August 23, 2012, 07:18:25 PM
Paranoia

Definition

Paranoia is an unfounded or exaggerated distrust of others, sometimes reaching delusional proportions. Paranoid individuals constantly suspect the motives of those around them, and believe that certain individuals, or people in general, are "out to get them."

Description

Paranoid perceptions and behavior may appear as features of a number of mental illnesses, including depression and dementia, but are most prominent in three types of psychological disorders: paranoid schizophrenia, delusional disorder (persecutory type), and paranoid personality disorder (PPD).
Individuals with paranoid schizophrenia and persecutory delusional disorder experience what is known as persecutory delusions: an irrational, yet unshakable, belief that someone is plotting against them. Persecutory delusions in paranoid schizophrenia are bizarre, sometimes grandiose, and often accompanied by auditory hallucinations. Delusions experienced by individuals with delusional disorder are more plausible than those experienced by paranoid schizophrenics; not bizarre, though still unjustified. Individuals with delusional disorder may seem offbeat or quirky rather than mentally ill, and, as such, may never seek treatment.
Persons with paranoid personality disorder tend to be self-centered, self-important, defensive, and emotionally distant. Their paranoia manifests itself in constant suspicions rather than full-blown delusions. The disorder often impedes social and personal relationships and career advancement. Some individuals with PPD are described as "litigious," as they are constantly initiating frivolous law suits. PPD is more common in men than in women, and typically begins in early adulthood.

 :thinking: Hmm......
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: D.H.W on August 23, 2012, 08:18:13 PM
 :bs: Warner feel this is football where he can talk he shit on people and get away?
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: weary1969 on August 23, 2012, 11:09:51 PM
:bs: Warner feel this is football where he can talk he shit on people and get away?

YES HE DOES.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Bakes on August 24, 2012, 01:18:40 AM
:bs: Warner feel this is football where he can shit on people and get away?

Fix it fuh yuh...
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: D.H.W on August 24, 2012, 05:40:13 AM
I hear the mayor want to take legal action over Warner statements. The man looked stunned yesterday after hearing what Warner say.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Brownsugar on August 24, 2012, 05:21:55 PM
Heard the clips from Warner and Louis on the issue this morning.  Well since I done biased against Renwar already it eh goh surprise anybody that I believe Louis' accounts of what happened.  In addition to which, I never hear anyone state that Louis has an economy with the truth.....

But the most intriguing fellow in all this is Watson Duke.  If all yuh hear that man bob and weave when Tony and Dale tried to pin him down on his involvement in the whole thing......classic talk radio!!!....I still eh sure if I want to fall down laughing or scratch mih head in sheer confusion.....
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Football supporter on August 24, 2012, 05:51:25 PM
Heard the clips from Warner and Louis on the issue this morning.  Well since I done biased against Renwar already it eh goh surprise anybody that I believe Louis' accounts of what happened.  In addition to which, I never hear anyone state that Louis has an economy with the truth.....

But the most intriguing fellow in all this is Watson Duke.  If all yuh hear that man bob and weave when Tony and Dale tried to pin him down on his involvement in the whole thing......classic talk radio!!!....I still eh sure if I want to fall down laughing or scratch mih head in sheer confusion.....

Duke really ducked and dived. But the most telling statement that convinces me that Jack is not being completely honest came from one of the guys who Warner claims he briefed, and who agreed to attend the next meeting....Acting Commissioner Stephen Williams, who said he knew nothing about the meeting!!
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: zuluwarrior on August 24, 2012, 05:56:22 PM
Lee Sing added, “What Minister Warner has done today (yesterday) is to convince me as a citizen of this country that all that has even been said of him by way of trust-worthiness or lack thereof must be taken seriously.”

The people that trust this man is just like him i guarantee you .

Jack you are on a mission impossible and you will self dis struck all by your self you do not need help.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Brownsugar on August 25, 2012, 05:20:48 PM
Lee Sing say he used to give Warner the benefit of the doubt before but have no choice but to believe everything he's heard about the fellow....Lee Sing serious?? ??!!

*psst* Lee Sing.....I present to you the accounts of the TTFF from 2006......you will see here that some millions appear to be missing.  Ah hear the only man who can answer refuses to do so.....and you NOW have misgivings about this same fellow??!!  Lee Sing.....tsk, tsk, tsk.  I eh look for you dey......
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Brownsugar on August 25, 2012, 05:22:22 PM
Oh and in other news, ah hear about 2 -3 (or was it 4) people murdered in the last 24 hours....if this was not serious business I woulda dead laughing......

:frustrated: :banginghead: :pissedoff: :cursing: :bs: :cursing:
Title: Re: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: D.H.W on August 25, 2012, 05:48:07 PM
Oh and in other news, ah hear about 2 -3 (or was it 4) people murdered in the last 24 hours....if this was not serious business I woulda dead laughing......

:frustrated: :banginghead: :pissedoff: :cursing: :bs: :cursing:

All the time crime is a problem, as soon as he turn minister of security - "crime not bad is the media fault.'
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: FF on August 25, 2012, 06:19:51 PM
Oh and in other news, ah hear about 2 -3 (or was it 4) people murdered in the last 24 hours....if this was not serious business I woulda dead laughing......

:frustrated: :banginghead: :pissedoff: :cursing: :bs: :cursing:

All the time crime is a problem, as soon as he turn minister of security - "crime not bad is the media fault.'

 :rotfl:
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Brownsugar on August 26, 2012, 06:31:07 AM
Oh and in other news, ah hear about 2 -3 (or was it 4) people murdered in the last 24 hours....if this was not serious business I woulda dead laughing......

:frustrated: :banginghead: :pissedoff: :cursing: :bs: :cursing:

All the time crime is a problem, as soon as he turn minister of security - "crime not bad is the media fault.'

Dais de "action" man in, uuuuummmmm action??   ???  :-\
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: truetrini on August 26, 2012, 11:37:23 AM
Now Renraw wants to buy two newspapers.  ???

Well yes.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Bourbon on August 26, 2012, 10:30:35 PM
Now Renraw wants to buy two newspapers.  ???

Well yes.

Brilliant Crime plan.


Crime is really sensationalized by the media. Buy two newspapers (to go with the one that done in yuh back pocket) and crime dropping by 75%.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Bourbon on August 29, 2012, 09:16:11 AM
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/_I_regret_they_stopped_beating_in_schools_-167785705.html

'I regret they stopped beating in schools'
Jack urges parents to go back to basics
By Anna Ramdass anna.ramdass@trinidadexpress.com

Story Created: Aug 28, 2012 at 11:01 PM ECT

Story Updated: Aug 28, 2012 at 11:01 PM ECT

National Security Minister Jack Warner has said he regretted that corporal punishment was abolished from the school system as there was now a culture of indiscipline in the nation.

Warner was speaking at a function hosted by the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service at the Hyatt Regency (Trinidad) hotel, Port of Spain, on Monday.

"I rue the day that they stop beating in schools.... I rue the day that you go to school and there's no accountability whether there is work or not," said Warner.

He noted that with the exception of denominational schools, prayers were no longer being said.

He said that children today did not know the basics, such as the lyrics of the National Anthem or National Birds.

"Where have we gone wrong? Because what we are reaping today is what we have sown years ago," said Warner.

He said his childhood days were different to what exists now as he recollected that back then, he went to church every Sunday and was in bed very early at nights.

"We never understood then what it meant to wear our pants on the buttocks; in fact, our buttocks was only for licks, it wasn't to carry any pants, and coming very soon, I shall be attacking those guys who carry their pants on the buttocks... because those are the kinds of patterns that cause indiscipline," said Warner.

He noted that today, teenagers were going home at late hours and parents make no intervention.

"I ask myself, what is a ten-, 11-year-old doing at 12.20 a.m. outside? At my age, at 10 (p.m.) , I used to be on my second dream. I ask myself, how do we explain a mother saying...I will much prefer a criminal kill him (her son) than the police," said Warner.

Warner was referring to the killing of 23-year-old Nigel Caesar last week Tuesday in Laventille.

Warner said he was asked recently what was the most important mechanism in the crime fight.

"The most important thing in the fight against crime is better parenting.... We have to go back to basics.... Simple things like 'thanks' and 'please', 'excuse me', 'good morning', 'good evening', 'good night'," he said.

Warner said he and the Police Service were doing their part in terms of crime-fighting initiatives, which included hiring more special reserve police (SRP) officers, an increase in police vehicles, new police stations, bullet-proof vests for officers, improved technology for forensics, and strengthened border patrols to stem the flow of illegal drugs and guns and human trafficking.

He said the people of this country need to reclaim their places and spaces.

"I was tortured last week when I read a young woman was hacked to death by a 40-year-old police constable and she went to the station and filed nine reports; she went to the court to get a protection order. I ask myself, 'What more could she have done?'" said Warner
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: vb on August 29, 2012, 09:34:11 AM
I right dey with him in the last paragraph.

VB
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: elan on August 29, 2012, 10:16:43 AM
Warner and them mad or what? Who stop children from getting licks in school and replace it with no punishment for bad behaivor? He should ask Kamla to put a committe together to see who stop it.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: elan on August 29, 2012, 10:19:26 AM
Wait...wait...wait, better border patrol? Who stop the OPV tigamajig? Who mash up the spy network? Who mash up SUATT?
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: pardners on August 29, 2012, 10:49:48 AM
Wait...wait...wait, better border patrol? Who stop the OPV tigamajig? Who mash up the spy network? Who mash up SUATT?


Good point.
Yuh ent see them only talking cause they have a mouth.
And it have plenty people now starting to realise why the previous govt did some of the things they did...but it easy to cast aspersions when yuh sitting on the next side.  When yuh in the heat is a totally different thing.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Football supporter on August 29, 2012, 07:00:49 PM
Warner and them mad or what? Who stop children from getting licks in school and replace it with no punishment for bad behaivor? He should ask Kamla to put a committe together to see who stop it.

It was actually Kamla who banned corporal punishment when she was Minister of Education. So we have Warner criticising the Prime Minister openly. Don't these people talk to each other? But, I have to say, most of what he says here, I agree with.

As for kids these days not knowing the lyrics to the National Anthem, not even his governments former ambassador to the United Nations knows the words....I still can't hear anyone singing "Together we aspire, together we achieve"  :rotfl:
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: vb on August 30, 2012, 02:40:51 AM
Warner and them mad or what? Who stop children from getting licks in school and replace it with no punishment for bad behaivor? He should ask Kamla to put a committe together to see who stop it.

It was actually Kamla who banned corporal punishment when she was Minister of Education. So we have Warner criticising the Prime Minister openly. Don't these people talk to each other? But, I have to say, most of what he says here, I agree with.

As for kids these days not knowing the lyrics to the National Anthem, not even his governments former ambassador to the United Nations knows the words....I still can't hear anyone singing "Together we aspire, together we achieve"  :rotfl:

Was it Kamala or Clive Pantin under the NAR?

VB
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: fishs on August 30, 2012, 04:23:16 AM
Warner and them mad or what? Who stop children from getting licks in school and replace it with no punishment for bad behaivor? He should ask Kamla to put a committe together to see who stop it.

It was actually Kamla who banned corporal punishment when she was Minister of Education. So we have Warner criticising the Prime Minister openly. Don't these people talk to each other? But, I have to say, most of what he says here, I agree with. As for kids these days not knowing the lyrics to the National Anthem, not even his governments former ambassador to the United Nations knows the words....I still can't hear anyone singing "Together we aspire, together we achieve"  :rotfl:

Banning corporal punishment had to be done.
It was  inhumane physical assault on minors, imagine beating children with whips and rods as if they are animals.

Teachers did not even know if the kids had learning disabilities.
Cycle of legal violence came out of this, parents beating children, nieghbors beating children, teachers beating children... then the children in turn beating their own children and so on.
Check when the societies we look at stopped corporal punishment and show me how that is directly realted in an increase in juvenile delinquency.
In my time I remember the boys who were the delinquents laughing off this kind of punishment because what they got at home was far worse, most of them struggling through life now.
For Warner to talk about missing corporal punishment in schools shows how empty he is of ideas.

 You think if True Trini and Just Cool were victims of this kind of abuse when they were children they would have turned out to be the stalwarts that they are in this forum ?
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Deeks on August 30, 2012, 06:27:40 AM
You think if True Trini and Just Cool were victims of this kind of abuse when they were children they would have turned out to be the stalwarts that they are in this forum ?


 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:  True and Cool probably get so much licks, that is why they turn out so!!!
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: lefty on August 30, 2012, 06:28:50 AM
You think if True Trini and Just Cool were victims of this kind of abuse when they were children they would have turned out to be the stalwarts that they are in this forum ?

lawd  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: D.H.W on August 30, 2012, 07:04:47 AM
You think if True Trini and Just Cool were victims of this kind of abuse when they were children they would have turned out to be the stalwarts that they are in this forum ?

lawd  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

I get catch for a moment after I read that
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Socapro on August 30, 2012, 07:06:35 AM
You think if True Trini and Just Cool were victims of this kind of abuse when they were children they would have turned out to be the stalwarts that they are in this forum ?


 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:  True and Cool probably get so much licks, that is why they turn out so!!!
That is the statement of the year right there!  :rotfl:
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: elan on August 30, 2012, 11:37:27 AM
Warner and them mad or what? Who stop children from getting licks in school and replace it with no punishment for bad behaivor? He should ask Kamla to put a committe together to see who stop it.

It was actually Kamla who banned corporal punishment when she was Minister of Education. So we have Warner criticising the Prime Minister openly. Don't these people talk to each other? But, I have to say, most of what he says here, I agree with. As for kids these days not knowing the lyrics to the National Anthem, not even his governments former ambassador to the United Nations knows the words....I still can't hear anyone singing "Together we aspire, together we achieve"  :rotfl:

Banning corporal punishment had to be done.
It was  inhumane physical assault on minors, imagine beating children with whips and rods as if they are animals.

Teachers did not even know if the kids had learning disabilities.
Cycle of legal violence came out of this, parents beating children, nieghbors beating children, teachers beating children... then the children in turn beating their own children and so on.
Check when the societies we look at stopped corporal punishment and show me how that is directly realted in an increase in juvenile delinquency.
In my time I remember the boys who were the delinquents laughing off this kind of punishment because what they got at home was far worse, most of them struggling through life now.
For Warner to talk about missing corporal punishment in schools shows how empty he is of ideas.

 You think if True Trini and Just Cool were victims of this kind of abuse when they were children they would have turned out to be the stalwarts that they are in this forum ?

Banning corporal punishment is a very good thing, however what was put in place to deal with students and their misbehavior? Yes, delinquency rose after Kamala stop licks.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: zuluwarrior on August 30, 2012, 04:25:22 PM
And if banning corporal punishment was not bad enough they stop prayers in seconary schools too .
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: E-man on August 30, 2012, 04:34:59 PM
Order yours today
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Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: weary1969 on August 30, 2012, 08:46:18 PM
Warner and them mad or what? Who stop children from getting licks in school and replace it with no punishment for bad behaivor? He should ask Kamla to put a committe together to see who stop it.

It was actually Kamla who banned corporal punishment when she was Minister of Education. So we have Warner criticising the Prime Minister openly. Don't these people talk to each other? But, I have to say, most of what he says here, I agree with.

As for kids these days not knowing the lyrics to the National Anthem, not even his governments former ambassador to the United Nations knows the words....I still can't hear anyone singing "Together we aspire, together we achieve"  :rotfl:

Was it Kamala or Clive Pantin under the NAR?

VB
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KAMLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: davyjenny1 on September 02, 2012, 12:47:29 AM
Take this in, ah lil King Austin - Who Will Guard The Guards

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo5YhKx9uxU
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: weary1969 on September 02, 2012, 02:24:02 PM
Warner and them mad or what? Who stop children from getting licks in school and replace it with no punishment for bad behaivor? He should ask Kamla to put a committe together to see who stop it.

It was actually Kamla who banned corporal punishment when she was Minister of Education. So we have Warner criticising the Prime Minister openly. Don't these people talk to each other? But, I have to say, most of what he says here, I agree with. As for kids these days not knowing the lyrics to the National Anthem, not even his governments former ambassador to the United Nations knows the words....I still can't hear anyone singing "Together we aspire, together we achieve"  :rotfl:

Banning corporal punishment had to be done.
It was  inhumane physical assault on minors, imagine beating children with whips and rods as if they are animals.

Teachers did not even know if the kids had learning disabilities.
Cycle of legal violence came out of this, parents beating children, nieghbors beating children, teachers beating children... then the children in turn beating their own children and so on.
Check when the societies we look at stopped corporal punishment and show me how that is directly realted in an increase in juvenile delinquency.
In my time I remember the boys who were the delinquents laughing off this kind of punishment because what they got at home was far worse, most of them struggling through life now.
For Warner to talk about missing corporal punishment in schools shows how empty he is of ideas.

 You think if True Trini and Just Cool were victims of this kind of abuse when they were children they would have turned out to be the stalwarts that they are in this forum ?

Banning corporal punishment is a very good thing, however what was put in place to deal with students and their misbehavior? Yes, delinquency rose after Kamala stop licks.

Doh 4get her bright idea 2 send evrybody 2 secondary school. It was Madam breakfasses who said no u score under 30 sit over d exam and if yuh 2old servol life centre.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Toppa on September 02, 2012, 11:08:04 PM
Please...children still getting licks in school like normal.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: D.H.W on September 09, 2012, 02:06:25 PM
Report: Minister of National Security Jack Warner has reportedly worked out the details of 52 new anti-crime measures to deal with escalating crime, at a marathon meeting with heads of the Defence Force, T&T Police Service, Regiment, T&T Prisons Service and other agencies.

Mr. Warner reportedly called on TTPS Ag Commissioner to put special measures in place to deal with the gang related killings in the hotspot crime areas, in particular Laventille, where there have been a spate of killings as warring gang members continued feuding in their communities.

The other security heads present at yesterday’s meeting were also briefed about how they could assist in the fight against crime.

Mr. Warner is expected to make known to the public some of the measures to be introduced shortly to deal specifically with the crime situation.

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Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Brownsugar on September 09, 2012, 04:59:01 PM
Ooooo boy, the action man finally gets going!!!!.....oh boy, oh boy, oh boy.....ah cyar wait....I'm sooooo excited!!!..... :drool: :bringiton:   ::)   ::) ::)
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: D.H.W on September 09, 2012, 08:59:58 PM
Ok, why did I just here automatic gun fire in the distance? Wtf...? If anybody dead in Arima I think I heard it.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: weary1969 on September 09, 2012, 09:21:40 PM
Ok, why did I just here automatic gun fire in the distance? Wtf...? If anybody dead in Arima I think I heard it.


D plan eh rch yet. So hearin gun play will is normal.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: vb on September 09, 2012, 11:55:18 PM


MOTION DEFEATED
COP to file amended 'Warner must go' version to PM

By Renuka Singh

Vernon De Lima's motion to have National Security Minister Jack Warner removed from Cabinet failed by majority vote yesterday.
"I lost the vote, so we will see what happens," De Lima said as he left COP headquarters in Charlieville, Chaguanas. He departed soon after the motion failed and did not stay for COP leader Prakash Ramadhar's closing remarks.
Last week, De Lima moved the motion to have Warner removed from Cabinet but also threatened that the COP would "dissociate" itself from the People's Partnership Government if he was not. De Lima also threatened to leave the COP if he failed in this bid.
But yesterday, faced with a 91-6 vote against his motion, De Lima said he remained a COP member "at this point".
Despite the failure of that motion, an amendment to De Lima's motion was passed that also called for Warner's removal from Cabinet, but without the ultimatum of the COP's departure.
Ramadhar said despite the fissure created by the motion, De Lima remained a "treasured member" of the COP.
"The motion having been defeated, he made public pronouncements. Unfortunately he had an emergency and he had to leave before I had a chance to chat with him to know what would be his position now that the motion vote has been against him," he said.
Ramadhar said while no disciplinary action would be brought against De Lima for filing a private motion under the party's name, the internal party election is on October 28 and De Lima's vice-chairmanship position would be put to a vote.
"I think that discipline comes in many forms and there are internal elections coming up next month and people will exercise their own level of discipline," he said.
"We think the moral strength of the argument is strong and as such we expect the Prime Minister to act in accordance with what is best for Trinidad and Tobago.
"We have also asked in that motion for the police to conclude as speedily as is possible any criminal investigations in relation to that Minister. So we can have a final resolution in relation to any criminal charges or not on this. It is fair to all to have a final and quick determination on this issue," said Ramadhar.
"I have to take responsibility for the party and when the party did not authorise a motion and it was put in the public space as a COP motion... It was Mr De Lima's motion and we had to set that record clear."
Ramadhar ended all speculation that the COP would ever leave the People's Partnership Government.
"We are staying because we promised the people of Trinidad and Tobago certain things which we have not yet delivered on and which we are working on delivering. It would be an abdication of that trust that they gave to all of us, especially the COP."
Ramadhar said he was voted in for five years and will not "destabilise" the country by threatening to leave pending Warner's Cabinet position.
"We have to appreciate that the Government was voted in by a majority of persons, we have to respect that and we will not abdicate our responsibility to the population any time before that period," he said.
In response to the failed motion and the new amendment, Warner, in a telephone interview, would only say: "That is COP's business, not my business."
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: vb on September 09, 2012, 11:56:15 PM
91 out of 97 Parliamentarians thought Warner should keep his post.  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: vb on September 10, 2012, 12:03:44 AM
91 out of 97 Parliamentarians thought Warner should keep his post.  ::) ::)

There are 6 COP Members of Parliament in the House  :)
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Football supporter on September 10, 2012, 06:18:18 AM
91 out of 97 Parliamentarians thought Warner should keep his post.  ::) ::)

There are 6 COP Members of Parliament in the House  :)

It was 91 out of 97 COP members attending.  Jack must be shaking in his boots  :yawning:
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: lefty on September 10, 2012, 08:15:48 AM
91 out of 97 Parliamentarians thought Warner should keep his post.  ::) ::)

There are 6 COP Members of Parliament in the House  :)

It was 91 out of 97 COP members attending.  Jack must be shaking in his boots  :yawning:

Eaat ah food.....drink ah juice.......new politics indeed ::) :P
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: D.H.W on September 10, 2012, 05:15:31 PM
Man shot in pinto. I was right.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: D.H.W on September 14, 2012, 12:44:46 PM
Jack: Bid to buy Mirror in final stages
TT Guardian
Radhica Sookraj
Published:
Friday, September 14, 2012

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Jack Warner

 
Minister of National Security Jack Warner has confirmed his accountants are in the final stages of brokering a deal to buy the Mirror newspaper. The minister said the matter was at a very delicate stage and he would comment on it sometime next week. Before the deal was brokered, Warner reportedly sought the advice of Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar and members of the Cabinet. A source said Warner held negotiations with Pedro Chookolingo but contacted on his cellphone yesterday, he denied that was so. He said the T&T Guardian was “talking to the wrong Chookolingo.” Asked which Chookolingo was involved in the deal, he said: “You find out, that is your job, not mine. You news people always have the wrong information.”
 
Chookolingoo said he did not know anything about Warner buying the Mirror. Warner denied yesterday the purchase had been finalised. “It’s not true, discussions are still taking place,” he said. Asked to give details of the discussion, Warner said: “My accountant meets with them, not me. We are in the final stages of discussion.” Warner said he would provide more details after he spoke with his accountant. However, in a subsequent phone call, Warner said the discussions were at a delicate stage and he would make a statement on the issue next week. Asked about his discussions with the Prime Minister, Warner said: “I prefer not to say anything more about that. I will speak about it next week.” Some of Warner’s Cabinet colleagues have defended his decision to buy the newspaper.
 
Leader of Government Business Dr Roodal Moonilal said last week he did not think the independence of the Mirror would be undermined if Warner assumed control.  He said under the NAR administration, then minister Ken Gordon was affiliated with the Caribbean Communications Network group. Moonilal added that Warner knew as a Government Minister he could not be involved in any other income-earning business activity. Warner’s media bid for the Newsday and Mirror newspapers was first reported last month. Integrated Media Company owner Maxie Cuffie’s lease ended on August 31. Cuffie told the T&T Guardian he could not compete with Warner’s money. There were reports that Cuffie had offered $9 million for the newspaper but Warner offered $12 million.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Bourbon on September 15, 2012, 04:51:51 PM
So..two state owned newspapers. Crime going and drop.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: D.H.W on September 15, 2012, 05:14:57 PM
No murders overnight, first for the year
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Brownsugar on September 16, 2012, 08:07:22 AM
No murders overnight, first for the year

Whoo hoo!!!   And they didn't have to call an SOE......look at that eh..... ::)
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Brownsugar on October 09, 2012, 02:08:58 PM
oooooohhhhh ggggaaarrrdddd ooooyyyeeee!!!  all yuh!! hear nah.....ah deading.... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Just when ah thought this man cyar surprise mih, there he goes again...... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
*weak*  *in tears*

cyar ketch mih self......ah goh give details later.....in fact if ah get the sound bite that would be even better......cuz all yuh have to hear dis from Jackie boy mouth.....

Paging Dinho......paging Dinho......Diiiiinnnnnhhhhhoooooo.....yooo hoooooo boy yuh have to hear this one......

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Dutty on October 09, 2012, 02:14:14 PM
brownie ah hope de punchline real good yuh know......nex ting yuh go and pull ah davyjenny on we
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: mukumsplau on October 09, 2012, 03:08:21 PM
jack warner amazes me...

but ill let brownsugar give details she'll be more colourful than me if its what i think she's talking about....

all ill say i think they should implement regular mental evaluations for MPs
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: mukumsplau on October 09, 2012, 03:09:14 PM
brownie ah hope de punchline real good yuh know......nex ting yuh go and pull ah davyjenny on we

 :rotfl: :rotfl:

up to now we aint find out what was so disturbin! and he movin on d forum normal normal after that  :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: D.H.W on October 09, 2012, 03:11:51 PM
Only thing I hear is he stop police from giving murder statistics. Maybe is that?
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Jah Gol on October 09, 2012, 03:13:39 PM
Kejan Haynes ‏@ReporterKHTV
Quite shameful that Jack Warner would categorize murder as being a PNM murder. Is there no end to the uncouth words spoken by this minister?

Jabari Fraser ‏@JabariFraser
Jack Warner: Police to withhold murder information. Murder this morning in Laventille was a PNM murder.

CCN TV6 ‏@tv6tnt
Warner has instructed the police to stop revealing murder statistics to the media. Your thoughts?
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Bourbon on October 09, 2012, 03:23:00 PM
Kejan Haynes ‏@ReporterKHTV
Quite shameful that Jack Warner would categorize murder as being a PNM murder. Is there no end to the uncouth words spoken by this minister?

Jabari Fraser ‏@JabariFraser
Jack Warner: Police to withhold murder information. Murder this morning in Laventille was a PNM murder.

CCN TV6 ‏@tv6tnt
Warner has instructed the police to stop revealing murder statistics to the media. Your thoughts?


I want a nice fact based article first.


Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Jah Gol on October 09, 2012, 03:30:36 PM
Kejan Haynes ‏@ReporterKHTV
Quite shameful that Jack Warner would categorize murder as being a PNM murder. Is there no end to the uncouth words spoken by this minister?

Jabari Fraser ‏@JabariFraser
Jack Warner: Police to withhold murder information. Murder this morning in Laventille was a PNM murder.

CCN TV6 ‏@tv6tnt
Warner has instructed the police to stop revealing murder statistics to the media. Your thoughts?


I want a nice fact based article first.



They tweeting from Parliament.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: D.H.W on October 09, 2012, 05:07:54 PM
f**k you warner you are a c**t
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: STEUPS!! on October 09, 2012, 05:38:11 PM
Kejan Haynes ‏@ReporterKHTV
Quite shameful that Jack Warner would categorize murder as being a PNM murder. Is there no end to the uncouth words spoken by this minister?

Jabari Fraser ‏@JabariFraser
Jack Warner: Police to withhold murder information. Murder this morning in Laventille was a PNM murder.

CCN TV6 ‏@tv6tnt
Warner has instructed the police to stop revealing murder statistics to the media. Your thoughts?


I want a nice fact based article first.





No need, he himself said it on the news tonight. Those tweets are indeed factual.

I have no words  :-\

Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Brownsugar on October 09, 2012, 07:02:37 PM
brownie ah hope de punchline real good yuh know......nex ting yuh go and pull ah davyjenny on we

Boy, I doh normally listen news or anything Jack Warner have to say.  But ah had mih radio on in the office and the news came on and I was too busy to stop to find a next station so ah leave it to play.  Den ah hear the headline say something bout Jack say the murder last night in Laventille is PNM fault.  So mih ears perk up cuz ah curious to hear what de arse this mad man going to say next......

Then he went on to talk some shit bout PNM like the murder rate up and how the man had 29 bullets in him and blah blah blah and shit, shit, shit.

But de part that kill me is when he say no more statistics on murder or crime.  Is the picture that men like Dinho trying to sell bout Jack being hard wukking and de best he could do is hide the crime statistics from we is what I find so funny......

De man is firetrucking kaka hole!!!  But what ah does find amazing is how a seemingly intelligent fella like Dinho (and others out there in the Green Fig Republic) does buy the bull shit wholesale!!!  Dais what ah cyar understand yet....

Paging Dinho, paging Dinho  come in Dinho........is this what hard wukking supposed to look like?? 

ssssstttteeeuuupppsss!!!!!   ::) ::) :cursing: :cursing: :cursing: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :cursing: :cursing: ::) ::) ::)


Oh and it eh really a laughing matter nah, is just that in the moment the thing was so facking absurd ah couldn't help mih self......but is serious thing for we to cry for yes.....
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Bourbon on October 09, 2012, 08:08:25 PM
I dunno why allyuh suprised. Allyuh thought I was being sarcastic when I say that he crime plan is buying over a newspapers?
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Jah Gol on October 09, 2012, 08:17:34 PM
This just highlights him for what he is; a sledge hammer, bully, rough neck, sqeaky wheel, impersonator. There are no shortcuts to national security. You can't manipulate information when the physical evidence of blood in the street is irrefutable. No amount of PR helps so he wants to control the media.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: D.H.W on October 10, 2012, 04:49:23 AM
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Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Jah Gol on October 10, 2012, 07:08:52 AM
GAG ON COPS

Originally printed at http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/GAG_ON_COPS-173419701.html
By Renuka Singh
October 9, 2012

National Security Minister Jack Warner yesterday placed an information blackout on all crime reports coming out of police stations, "with immediate effect".

After an early-morning murder ended the 30-day cease-fire in Laventille, Warner said as an interim measure he would be implementing the blackout on all criminal activity.

"With immediate effect, I have decided that no figures of any kind would be given anywhere for any absence of murders," Warner said to reporters yesterday during the lunch break of the budget debate at Parliament, Tower D, International Waterfront Centre, Port of Spain.

Yesterday, 28-year-old St Ann's resident Stephon Morris was leaving his girlfriend's home at Eastern Quarry, Laventille, at 3.45 a.m., when he was shot and killed by two men. Warner said police recovered 29 spent shells on the scene and the men escaped.

Warner said a lack of information could trigger a reduction in the crime rate.

At various public events over the past month, Warner had kept an almost daily tally of the crime-free days in Laventille, but now said he would be stopping the police from revealing the crime figures to the media as an interim measure to curb crime.

He said it was his "feeling" that if the media stopped publishing the crime figures, it could lead to a reduction in the crime rate.

"People are being encouraged when they see no crime in an area. They want to make news, they want to make headlines that want to spoil the record and they get an incentive to do this," he said.

"Reports would now be given quarterly as necessary and not daily as the case may be. I have also instructed the police not to reveal any figures or murders anywhere, anytime, and this was done to take away from the Opposition the desire to create mischief where none existed," he said.

Warner said he would meet with the relevant police superiors to ensure the mandate is set.

"I came here and gave murder figures for one month and you know something, 24 hours later a guy is dead. In some ways I feel guilty, because as I had gone there (Laventille), some people felt I was boasting," he said.

Warner also laid the responsibility for this latest murder at the door of the Opposition People's National Movement (PNM), saying the party "sponsored" it.

"This could have been avoided if the PNM was not sponsoring crime, you can quote me liberally. I am saying that, of course, unequivocally, that it is a PNM murder, quote me on that. Without the PNM, this murder would not have happened," he said.

"Worse yet, it's a pity that in their very own constituencies, that they are the ones that are sponsoring crime and encouraging mayhem and murder, and I say that unabated and without fear and I am telling the national community that as long as this continues that the PNM would be on one side and that side is crime, mayhem and murder; and the Government on the other side with law and order," he said.

Warner said this latest killing has "personally hurt" him, and accused the Opposition of praying for a murder in its own constituency to score political points.

"Opposition should be very glad that their prayers have been answered. I want to say that possibly they have gotten their wish," he said.

"This has hurt me. This young man should not have died this morning. People in Laventille were walking the streets once again, they were embracing each other. This is to prove the Government wrong, to prove Jack Warner wrong and, at the end of the day, that cannot make sense," he said.

He said if the PNM had gotten on board with the Government's crime plan and not played politics, this murder could have been avoided.

"I am saying that this murder could have been avoided if the PNM was not trying to glamorise murder and mayhem in their own constituency," he said.

Warner said the PNM believes a rising crime rate will get it back into power. "...That wouldn't help them. Crime could go up till I don't know how high, the PNM will never see government again in our collective lifetime, and I don't see how sponsoring crime would help them, but they believe that," he said.

Acting Police Commissioner Stephen Williams, who was contacted last night by TV6 News, declined comment on Warner's directive, but did say the Minister could only give policy directives, not operational ones.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Bourbon on October 10, 2012, 07:49:33 AM
http://www.facebook.com/v/10151058255686433
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: dinho on October 10, 2012, 08:12:02 AM
brownie ah hope de punchline real good yuh know......nex ting yuh go and pull ah davyjenny on we

Boy, I doh normally listen news or anything Jack Warner have to say.  But ah had mih radio on in the office and the news came on and I was too busy to stop to find a next station so ah leave it to play.  Den ah hear the headline say something bout Jack say the murder last night in Laventille is PNM fault.  So mih ears perk up cuz ah curious to hear what de arse this mad man going to say next......

Then he went on to talk some shit bout PNM like the murder rate up and how the man had 29 bullets in him and blah blah blah and shit, shit, shit.

But de part that kill me is when he say no more statistics on murder or crime.  Is the picture that men like Dinho trying to sell bout Jack being hard wukking and de best he could do is hide the crime statistics from we is what I find so funny......

De man is firetrucking kaka hole!!!  But what ah does find amazing is how a seemingly intelligent fella like Dinho (and others out there in the Green Fig Republic) does buy the bull shit wholesale!!!  Dais what ah cyar understand yet....

Paging Dinho, paging Dinho  come in Dinho........is this what hard wukking supposed to look like?? 

ssssstttteeeuuupppsss!!!!!   ::) ::) :cursing: :cursing: :cursing: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :cursing: :cursing: ::) ::) ::)


Oh and it eh really a laughing matter nah, is just that in the moment the thing was so facking absurd ah couldn't help mih self......but is serious thing for we to cry for yes.....


Woman, you don't have something more constructive to do with yuhself than to be calling up my name?  ???
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: D.H.W on October 10, 2012, 08:42:55 AM
Jack Warner can't put a blackout. He can only advise. Decision is up to police commisioner.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Jah Gol on October 10, 2012, 09:37:18 AM
Jack Warner can't put a blackout. He can only advise. Decision is up to police commisioner.
He used the word 'instructed'.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Bourbon on October 10, 2012, 09:59:46 AM
Jack Warner can't put a blackout. He can only advise. Decision is up to police commisioner.
He used the word 'instructed'.


So....yuh feel he go take the instruction?
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: weary1969 on October 10, 2012, 10:33:33 AM
Jack Warner can't put a blackout. He can only advise. Decision is up to police commisioner.
He used the word 'instructed'.


So....yuh feel he go take the instruction?


Yea because he only acting he want 2 be confirm in d wuk.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Brownsugar on October 10, 2012, 11:14:45 AM
brownie ah hope de punchline real good yuh know......nex ting yuh go and pull ah davyjenny on we

Boy, I doh normally listen news or anything Jack Warner have to say.  But ah had mih radio on in the office and the news came on and I was too busy to stop to find a next station so ah leave it to play.  Den ah hear the headline say something bout Jack say the murder last night in Laventille is PNM fault.  So mih ears perk up cuz ah curious to hear what de arse this mad man going to say next......

Then he went on to talk some shit bout PNM like the murder rate up and how the man had 29 bullets in him and blah blah blah and shit, shit, shit.

But de part that kill me is when he say no more statistics on murder or crime.  Is the picture that men like Dinho trying to sell bout Jack being hard wukking and de best he could do is hide the crime statistics from we is what I find so funny......

De man is firetrucking kaka hole!!!  But what ah does find amazing is how a seemingly intelligent fella like Dinho (and others out there in the Green Fig Republic) does buy the bull shit wholesale!!!  Dais what ah cyar understand yet....

Paging Dinho, paging Dinho  come in Dinho........is this what hard wukking supposed to look like?? 

ssssstttteeeuuupppsss!!!!!   ::) ::) :cursing: :cursing: :cursing: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :cursing: :cursing: ::) ::) ::)


Oh and it eh really a laughing matter nah, is just that in the moment the thing was so facking absurd ah couldn't help mih self......but is serious thing for we to cry for yes.....


Woman, you don't have something more constructive to do with yuhself than to be calling up my name?  ???

Yes I do.  Now, is this what you meant by hard wukking??...... ::) ::)   :waiting:
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: weary1969 on October 10, 2012, 11:17:16 AM
Breaking News - Jack Says Sorry
By Richard Charan


NATIONAL Security Minister Jack Warner has sought to clarify his claim that the People’s National Movement (PNM) was responsible for a murder in Laventille yesterday which broke a broke a 30-day cease-fire in the area.

In a statement issued last night, Warner also attempted to clarify his order to police officers that information related to murders not be disclosed to the media, as an interim measure to decrease crime.

Warner had made the statements while speaking with reporters during the lunch break of the budget debate at Parliament, Tower D International Waterfront, Port of Spain on Tuesday.

Shortly after Warner's comments were aired on the television news, Warner issued the following press release.

ISSUE: "PNM MURDER"

"The statement was inferred to a select few front line opposition members of Parliament who have continued to make negative statements which may have the effect of nullifying the gains made over the last month, instead of looking at ways in which we could work together to ensure the statistics remain in check.

This in no way includes the membership of the party - even though I may not agree with their political affiliation, I respect them as citizens of this country.

I am incensed when I hear of "but one murder."...we have always said one murder is one murder too many - let us agree not to use this as a political football but to engage in supporting the men and women of the protective services in continuing the excellent work they have been doing - and the gains they have made."

ISSUE: "NOT REVEALING CRIME STATS"

"The intent of this measure is to seek to ensure that crime statistics are not sensationalized thereby acting as a domino effect in certain hot spot areas and causing an escalation of crime in that hotspot area.

The issue is not about withholding the statistics - it is about the management of the sensitive information that many times is released along with the statistic that always has the potential to inflame additional crime - particularly when treating with the issue of gangs and the 'gang culture'.

For instance, there is no issue with stating that there may have been a homicide in area 'x', the issue becomes more challenging when the information released includes the homicide in area 'x', along with the homicide being gang related, and involving person 'y'...this is a recipe for unnecessarily inflamed tensions.

Therefore my statement was earmarked to avoid unnecessary murders and escalation of crime in hot spots, and not in any way a means of muzzling the freedom of information, and I apologize if it may have been taken out of context ".

Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: D.H.W on October 10, 2012, 12:15:12 PM
Lol
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: D.H.W on October 10, 2012, 01:46:36 PM
Oh dear this just posted on BBC twitter account

Trinidad murder statistics banned http://bbc.in/Rx8Hff
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Bakes on October 10, 2012, 02:03:31 PM
Quote
The acting commissioner said that banning the release of crime information “is not a matter which the minister has authority to instruct the commissioner of police on,” Williams said.

From the Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/former-soccer-chief-jack-warner-bans-release-of-crime-reports-statistics-in-trinidad/2012/10/10/874bce18-12f5-11e2-9a39-1f5a7f6fe945_story.html)... and also in the UK Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/10477464?fb=native).  We reach, and gone back.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Bourbon on October 10, 2012, 03:42:03 PM
Breaking News - Jack Says Sorry
By Richard Charan


ISSUE: "NOT REVEALING CRIME STATS"

"The intent of this measure is to seek to ensure that crime statistics are not sensationalized thereby acting as a domino effect in certain hot spot areas and causing an escalation of crime in that hotspot area.

The issue is not about withholding the statistics - it is about the management of the sensitive information that many times is released along with the statistic that always has the potential to inflame additional crime - particularly when treating with the issue of gangs and the 'gang culture'.


For instance, there is no issue with stating that there may have been a homicide in area 'x', the issue becomes more challenging when the information released includes the homicide in area 'x', along with the homicide being gang related, and involving person 'y'...this is a recipe for unnecessarily inflamed tensions.






So..by that logic.....if releasing of sensitive information can inflame a situation and increase crime......why would he talk about the death threat against Rowley? He trying to kill people or wha?
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: mukumsplau on October 10, 2012, 04:05:41 PM
(http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/384313_10151193409445900_1884975882_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: D.H.W on October 10, 2012, 04:17:14 PM
Hahaha funny
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: ZANDOLIE on October 10, 2012, 05:23:16 PM
Quote
The acting commissioner said that banning the release of crime information “is not a matter which the minister has authority to instruct the commissioner of police on,” Williams said.

From the Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/former-soccer-chief-jack-warner-bans-release-of-crime-reports-statistics-in-trinidad/2012/10/10/874bce18-12f5-11e2-9a39-1f5a7f6fe945_story.html)... and also in the UK Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/10477464?fb=native).  We reach, and gone back.

Lol

Looks like we finally have an (acting) CoP with some balls. Kudo to Williams for standing up to the acting prime minister of national security and not taking BS. Jack, not everybody does bend over and take ungreased prick like Oliver Camps and Richard Groden.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: D.H.W on October 10, 2012, 05:39:01 PM
Lol commisioner make Warner look like more of an arse
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: elan on October 10, 2012, 05:45:43 PM
Quote
The acting commissioner said that banning the release of crime information “is not a matter which the minister has authority to instruct the commissioner of police on,” Williams said.

From the Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/former-soccer-chief-jack-warner-bans-release-of-crime-reports-statistics-in-trinidad/2012/10/10/874bce18-12f5-11e2-9a39-1f5a7f6fe945_story.html)... and also in the UK Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/10477464?fb=native).  We reach, and gone back.

Lol

Looks like we finally have an (acting) CoP with some balls. Kudo to Williams for standing up to the acting prime minister of national security and not taking BS. Jack, not everybody does bend over and take ungreased prick like Oliver Camps and Richard Groden and Jack Horner.

Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: weary1969 on October 10, 2012, 05:53:13 PM
Quote
The acting commissioner said that banning the release of crime information “is not a matter which the minister has authority to instruct the commissioner of police on,” Williams said.

From the Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/former-soccer-chief-jack-warner-bans-release-of-crime-reports-statistics-in-trinidad/2012/10/10/874bce18-12f5-11e2-9a39-1f5a7f6fe945_story.html)... and also in the UK Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/10477464?fb=native).  We reach, and gone back.



Lol

Looks like we finally have an (acting) CoP with some balls. Kudo to Williams for standing up to the acting prime minister of national security and not taking BS. Jack, not everybody does bend over and take ungreased prick like Oliver Camps and Richard Groden.


All yuh doh get tie up wit Williams.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: ZANDOLIE on October 10, 2012, 06:43:01 PM
Werary....Williams did the right thing so far. Lets hope he will continue to set a good example whatever his shortcomings.

Regardless of my opinion on The Acting Prime Minister of National Security, I was hoping he was up to the challenge of putting a dent in criminal activity. So far he only beating up on protestors and frontkicking himself in the mouth. Clearly he is out of his depth, and needs a crash course in parlimentary democracy and a revisit of the constitution of these islands. I mean how much more shame is KPB willing to let this man inflict on the country?
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Brownsugar on October 10, 2012, 07:02:33 PM
Well at least de media wukking.....because of Jack....who is not......or is he??  Dinho, help we out nah.   I eh want to mislead de foreign based....... ::) ::) :bs:
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: weary1969 on October 10, 2012, 07:31:42 PM
Werary....Williams did the right thing so far. Lets hope he will continue to set a good example whatever his shortcomings.

Regardless of my opinion on The Acting Prime Minister of National Security, I was hoping he was up to the challenge of putting a dent in criminal activity. So far he only beating up on protestors and frontkicking himself in the mouth. Clearly he is out of his depth, and needs a crash course in parlimentary democracy and a revisit of the constitution of these islands. I mean how much more shame is KPB willing to let this man inflict on the country?

I wuk wit d fella opportunist he is. He did d right ting because he had no choice. FYI d crime plan 2 lock down d hill is his brilliant idea. Jack just luv it because d murder rate will go down. So I eh no fan ah Williams.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Bourbon on October 10, 2012, 07:53:30 PM
Implicitly I think pressure was put on him by Gillian Lucky (not certain if it was intentional or not) to not do it..by simply saying that such a measure is up to him.

If he went along to it...he looks like a enunch.

If he doesnt....it could mitigate damage.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: FireBrand on October 10, 2012, 08:30:15 PM
Trinidad and Tobago murder statistics banned
BBC News


Police in Trinidad and Tobago have been ordered to stop releasing murder statistics.

National Security Minister Jack Warner said reports of violence encouraged people to commit more crime.

He accused the opposition PNM party of using official police information to encourage mayhem in the Caribbean country.

Acting Police Commissioner Stephen Williams said that he would ignore the order.

Mr Williams said the police would continue to fulfil their legal obligation of disseminating information on murders and other crime on the islands.

Mr Warner's comments have led to angry reactions in Trinidad and Tobago, particularly among members of the PNM party.

'Domino effect'
Jack Warner is a well-known, albeit controversial, figure in the Caribbean.

He was appointed as national security minister in his native Trinidad and Tobago in June, a year after resigning as vice-president of the world's football body, Fifa.

He had been accused of paying bribes to Caribbean football associations. Mr Warner denies any wrongdoing.

His comments on crime in Trinidad and Tobago came after the murder of a young man in a violent area of the country.

The order was meant as a temporary measure to tackle crime, Mr Warner said.

"The intent of this measure is to seek to ensure that crime statistics are not sensationalised, thereby acting as a domino effect in certain hot spot areas," he said in a statement.

"The issue is not about withholding the statistics. It is about the management of the sensitive information that has the potential to inflame additional crime - particularly when treating the issue of gangs."

Drug-related violence is a major problem in Trinidad and Tobago, which has become a shipment point for cocaine coming from South America.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: mukumsplau on October 10, 2012, 11:22:55 PM
no wonder jack wanna buy out newspapers...

...trinidad ripe for some civil unrest....limiting gate..food will go up..all subsidies removed from transportation fuels..everything will go up...everything..salaries staying the same...spending power reduced...loss of competitive advantage of our manufacturing sector in regional and international markets...corruption index skyrocketing...investments plummeting...cocaine passing...AND...AND..dis government continuing to  play us for fools every monday and wednesday morning with some piece of foolery...squeezing treasury.. consolidating their financiers means more money for subsequent campaigns to perpetual cycle..

for some reason i have a feeling this upcoming tobago elections is very very crucial to the future of trinidad...

ah fed up...
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: lefty on October 11, 2012, 05:56:52 AM
no wonder jack wanna buy out newspapers...

...trinidad ripe for some civil unrest....limiting gate..food will go up..all subsidies removed from transportation fuels..everything will go up...everything..salaries staying the same...spending power reduced...loss of competitive advantage of our manufacturing sector in regional and international markets...corruption index skyrocketing...investments plummeting...cocaine passing...AND...AND..dis government continuing to  play us for fools every monday and wednesday morning with some piece of foolery...squeezing treasury.. consolidating their financiers means more money for subsequent campaigns to perpetual cycle..

for some reason i have a feeling this upcoming tobago elections is very very crucial to the future of trinidad...

ah fed up...

heard a rumor dat US vex cause it more dan double since dey take over ah want to hope is just incompetance but knowing the "alledgedly" ::) shadowy rep of some of their financiers...................
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Bourbon on October 11, 2012, 07:34:06 AM
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/JACK__HAS__NO__POWER-173628721.html

Note the bolded parts please:

Quote

Acting Police Commissioner Stephen Williams yesterday said the police had a legal obligation to provide crime statistics to the public and the National Security Minister had no authority to stop that.

Williams made the statement at yesterday's police briefing at the police headquarters at Sackville Street, Port of Spain.

"I received no instructions from the minister in relation to any gag on the police in disseminating information on murders and other forms of crime," Williams said yesterday.

"I want to assure the public that I have received no instructions from the Minister of National Security, which I heard reference to as a gag on the police," he said.

"I want to give clear assurance that we in the Police Service have not taken any position to refuse to disseminate information to the public. We are under a legal obligation to provide statistics to the public and we will fulfil the legal obligation," he added.

Williams and other high-ranking police officials met with National Security Minister Jack Warner on Tuesday afternoon, but said at no time did any of the officers receive any directive to stop making crime statistics public. Just hours before that meeting, however, Warner had said he was meeting with the men to give those specific instructions.

"The Minister gave me no instructions and I believe the minister is fully aware that he cannot give the Commissioner of Police instructions in relation to matters such as dissemination of statistics to the media or the general public," Williams said.

"It is not a matter on which the Minister of National Security has the authority to instruct the Commissioner of Police. I am making it clear, hoping that it would be crystal clear: I have received no instructions," he reiterated.

But Williams refused to divulge what was discussed at that meeting, saying he would not discuss "confidential" police matters in the media and did not expect the other attendees to do so either.

"I did meet with the Minister of National Security at 2 p.m. (on Tuesday) and the minister shared some concerns around the dissemination of information on murders by the Police Service. He raised concerns in relation to the police dissemination of information on matters of murder, but I received no instructions and the minister has no authority to issue instructions to the Police Service on an operational issue," he said.

He said, though, the Police Service would "adopt a particular process to disseminate information" to the media and, by extension, the public. He said "troops on the ground" should already know they do not have the authority to communicate police information to the public.

"Troops need to have permission from the Commissioner of Police before disseminating information," he said.


With regard to Warner's statement that the latest Laventille killing was "sponsored" by the People's National Movement (PNM) and was in fact a "PNM murder", Williams said he did not know what a "PNM murder" was.

"I don't know. What is a PNM murder? I am not in the position to answer the categorisation of the murder as a PNM murder. I try my best not to respond to statements by politicians," Williams said.

He said the country was currently living in a "charged political environment" and he preferred to "stay away from politics".


Yuh eh find like the outcome of the meeting reflecting what the "apology" was saying? So is it happening or not happening?
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Dutty on October 11, 2012, 08:55:31 AM
no wonder jack wanna buy out newspapers...

...trinidad ripe for some civil unrest
The only concern dey is if someting like dat happen,, the minister of st.anns hospital go be only to happy to meet any kinda unrest with some kinda brute force pappyshow

His handling of the protestors on the highway might be a precursor of what to expect


brownie how yuh callin out dinho so? someting happenin behind de scenes we eh know about or wha? :devil:
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Socapro on October 11, 2012, 09:47:40 AM
(http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/384313_10151193409445900_1884975882_n.jpg)
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: MEP on October 11, 2012, 10:57:53 AM
Definitely love the cover for the book.

I feel the first line must start of something like this

Born to a soucouyant and La Diablesse in Rio Claro, Southern Trinidad. This son of of the dark lived in relative obscurity for the greater part of his life.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Toppa on October 11, 2012, 01:41:33 PM
Definitely love the cover for the book.

I feel the first line must start of something like this

Born to a soucouyant and La Diablesse in Rio Claro, Southern Trinidad. This son of of the dark lived in relative obscurity for the greater part of his life.

hahaha
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Dutty on October 11, 2012, 02:56:58 PM
MEP yuh hadda finish dat chapter breds
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: mukumsplau on October 11, 2012, 03:59:47 PM
no wonder jack wanna buy out newspapers...

...trinidad ripe for some civil unrest....limiting gate..food will go up..all subsidies removed from transportation fuels..everything will go up...everything..salaries staying the same...spending power reduced...loss of competitive advantage of our manufacturing sector in regional and international markets...corruption index skyrocketing...investments plummeting...cocaine passing...AND...AND..dis government continuing to  play us for fools every monday and wednesday morning with some piece of foolery...squeezing treasury.. consolidating their financiers means more money for subsequent campaigns to perpetual cycle..

for some reason i have a feeling this upcoming tobago elections is very very crucial to the future of trinidad...

ah fed up...

heard a rumor dat US vex cause it more dan double since dey take over ah want to hope is just incompetance but knowing the "alledgedly" ::) shadowy rep of some of their financiers...................

u know another reason they blue vex? i was watching somthing on ngc las night about drug smuggling...the documentary's ending left me with some chills...they said US authorities has evidence that al qaeda and colombia's cartels have formed some sort of union...and if colombia can move tonnes upon tonnes of cocaine through to US shores undetected...lord knows what else can pass....credits...
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Toppa on October 11, 2012, 04:12:27 PM
MEP yuh hadda finish dat chapter breds

hahaha

Yuh know!!
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: lefty on October 11, 2012, 05:10:29 PM
alyuh hear we boy explanation tonight dey.......BWDMCID I seeing in dis place boy >:( >:( >:( >:( who d fuuck he feel he foolin >:( :cursing: :cursing: I sorry dis gone way past funny now my boy now saying he direct his comment to he self.... he have f**kin schizophrenia or what :cursing: :cursing: :cursing: :cursing: aye let me stop before I buss a blood vessel oui ............SMFH :yellowcard:
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Bourbon on October 11, 2012, 05:38:05 PM
alyuh hear we boy explanation tonight dey.......BWDMCID I seeing in dis place boy >:( >:( >:( >:( who d fuuck he feel he foolin >:( :cursing: :cursing: I sorry dis gone way past funny now my boy now saying he direct his comment to he self.... he have f**kin schizophrenia or what :cursing: :cursing: :cursing: :cursing: aye let me stop before I buss a blood vessel oui ............SMFH :yellowcard:

Now now now.

Keep calm and tell us what really happened.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: D.H.W on October 11, 2012, 05:51:32 PM
Basically he denied saying what he said, even though he on video saying it. Tv6 rel loving this
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: lefty on October 11, 2012, 05:59:03 PM
Basically he denied saying what he said, even though he on video saying it. Tv6 rel loving this

not jus dat.......but is inane nature of d assholery he talk within dat denial......can somebody say demented!...........lawd have mercy
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Bourbon on October 11, 2012, 06:01:29 PM
I feel a tune for the parang season.


"Dey does lie dey does lie lie lie lie lie lie...."
Title: Re: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: D.H.W on October 11, 2012, 06:04:59 PM
Basically he denied saying what he said, even though he on video saying it. Tv6 rel loving this

not jus dat.......but is inane nature of d assholery he talk within dat denial......can somebody say demented!...........lawd have mercy

He need to put a gag order on himself.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: D.H.W on October 11, 2012, 06:12:39 PM
I also think he is suffering from mental illness
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Brownsugar on October 11, 2012, 06:53:37 PM
 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

oooohhhh gaaarrddd oooyyyeee......somebody get the clip from tonight.....it gets wooorrrseeee!!!!


Diiiinnnnnhhhhooooo!!!!  Wheeeeyyy yoooouuuu??!!!! 

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: D.H.W on October 11, 2012, 06:59:02 PM
WARNER CHANGES MIND ON CRIME STATS
 
Last Updated on 11.10.2012


Minister of National Security Jack Warner has had a change of heart about instructing the police not to disseminate crime statistics to the media.


Speaking at Thursday's Post Cabinet Media Briefing, Mr. Warner said he also doesn't believe his tabulation of crime free days in the nation's hotspot has done any good, and promised to desist from doing so.

Despite the controversy surrounding his statements this week, the National Security Minister is not fazed by calls for his dismissal.

"Every Monday morning they say I should resign and they'll say it again next week and the week after and so on. The person who has me where I am is Mrs. Kamla Persad-Bissessar and in me, she has full confidence."

Minister Warner said the Prime Minister has not spoken to him in relation to the statements he made on Tuesday when he implied that the killing of Stephen Morris in Laventille was linked to the PNM. He said the matter also did not come up for discussion at the Cabinet meeting.

Minister Warner said earlier this week that he was instructing the police not to release crime statistics daily. A decision he said he has since rescinded.

"I said I intend to instruct the police along those lines and between the Parliament and when I met the police, I of course decided to have a change of heart. Is that unusual at all?"

Minister Warner said he will not divulge the reason for his change of heart but made it clear that he understands the boundaries between himself, as Minister of National Security, and the Executive of the Police Service.

However, he is standing by his comments that certain elements of the People's National Movement were using the crime statistics to paint the Government in a bad light.

"I make the point and I stand by the fact that when this is sensationalised by mainly by the Opposition my impression is it does not help in reducing crime. I could be wrong, I'm not of course infallible, but that is my view."

He also blamed the media. Minister Warner said media houses comparing murder statistics for 2012 versus 2011 without factoring in the 2011 State of Emergency are fuelling the fire.

"It is wrong for any TV station to take last year and use last year's figures and this year's figures without saying that the State of Emergency made a difference. All I'm saying is tell the public the truth."

Minister Warner said he will also not make public the number of crime free days in crime hotspots.

"That, on reflection, does not help because there may be some young man out there who wants to prove me wrong."

The National Security Minister has faced a backlash of criticism over the last few days on social media sites such as Facebook and Twitter. His controversial statement also made international headlines on the BBC, Fox News, CBS and ABC.

Mr. Warner also told the media that the National Security Council approved his new crime plan last Thursday, but he declined to give details.

http://www.ctntworld.com/index.php/2011-12-27-04-09-23/1913-warner-changes-mind-on-crime-stats
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Brownsugar on October 11, 2012, 07:01:55 PM
This definitely calls for a song.....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dms_VJL9GRU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dms_VJL9GRU)
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: lefty on October 11, 2012, 07:02:33 PM
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

oooohhhh gaaarrddd oooyyyeee......somebody get the clip from tonight.....it gets wooorrrseeee!!!!


Diiiinnnnnhhhhooooo!!!!  Wheeeeyyy yoooouuuu??!!!! 

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

doh know how alyuh could laff at dat nah our gov't is ah pack ah imbecilic clowns and witt every passin day more and more people laffin at we, even without shale gas set to kick we ass all over d floor........nobody eh comin here to invest nutten wit dese jokers in gov't, we fuucked
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Bourbon on October 11, 2012, 07:13:27 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/SYqLeYJoaBc
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Brownsugar on October 11, 2012, 07:17:38 PM
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

oooohhhh gaaarrddd oooyyyeee......somebody get the clip from tonight.....it gets wooorrrseeee!!!!


Diiiinnnnnhhhhooooo!!!!  Wheeeeyyy yoooouuuu??!!!! 

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

doh know how alyuh could laff at dat nah our gov't is ah pack ah imbecilic clowns and witt every passin day more and more people laffin at we, even without shale gas set to kick we ass all over d floor........nobody eh comin here to invest nutten wit dese jokers in gov't, we fuucked

Boss, I am laughing at the absurdity of the man......and how people (Dinho) thought we were going to get results because he "hard wukking"......de only thing that wukking is he mouth......

Also, lefty boy if I eh laugh......ah goh firetrucking tear mih hair out.....ah goh be by mih Doctor every blasted day.......leave mih let mih relieve some stress.........please, please, please...... :frustrated: :frustrated: :cursing: :cursing: :banginghead: :banginghead: :banginghead:
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: gawd on pitch on October 11, 2012, 07:40:19 PM
(http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/384313_10151193409445900_1884975882_n.jpg)

When is this book coming out? It will be a best seller. I hope he write a trilogy.
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Brownsugar on October 11, 2012, 08:53:57 PM
Brace for more Jack-arsery tomorrow cuz ah hearing of two more murders in Laventille/Morvant......and no this one ent funny at all......*sigh*
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: mukumsplau on October 11, 2012, 10:13:44 PM
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

oooohhhh gaaarrddd oooyyyeee......somebody get the clip from tonight.....it gets wooorrrseeee!!!!


Diiiinnnnnhhhhooooo!!!!  Wheeeeyyy yoooouuuu??!!!! 

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

doh know how alyuh could laff at dat nah our gov't is ah pack ah imbecilic clowns and witt every passin day more and more people laffin at we, even without shale gas set to kick we ass all over d floor........nobody eh comin here to invest nutten wit dese jokers in gov't, we fuucked


This.

Title: Brownie, Weary allyuh lie
Post by: Dutty on October 25, 2012, 12:13:44 PM
Jack wukkin so hard he eh sleepin when night come

man lookin good tired in trute
(http://media.trinidadexpress.com/images/1351046629214nw7.jpg)
or maybe is court case givin him insomnia

PM to Jack: Take a rest
'No sleep in 48 hours'



Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar has instructed National Security Minister Jack Warner to get some rest.

Persad-Bissessar, speaking at a lavish fund-raising dinner by the Tobago Organisation of the People (TOP) on Sunday at the Centre of Excellence, Macoya, said Warner had not slept in 48 hours and ordered that he not work on Monday.

"Jack Warner, you are grounded after you leave here tonight, you will go home tomorrow, I will ask other ministers to take up all your meetings, and Maureen Warner, ground him tomorrow, let him sleep because he hasn't slept in 24 to 48 hours," said Persad-Bissessar.

"Do you guys agree?" Persad-Bissessar asked the large audience who responded with loud applause.

The Prime Minister thanked all her ministers for attending the event on Sunday, as well as citizens who took time out of their schedule to lend support.

She made special mention of gynaecologist Dr Sherene Kalloo who was in attendance and celebrated her birthday on that day.

Kalloo was one of the gynaecologists who were instrumental in the implementation of the Human Papilloma Virus (HPV) vaccine on the immunisation schedule in this country.

Said Persad-Bissessar: "Tonight, there is a beautiful woman with us, she will understand what I'm saying because she is celebrating her birthday today, so she came out on her birthday, can we say happy birthday to Dr Sherene Kalloo who is here with us."

The PM said her ministers work round-the-clock to ensure delivery to the people and this was no easy task.

"We will continue to do our best in whatever we have to," said Persad-Bissessar as she reiterated her Government's commitment to serving the people.

 
Title: Re: Brownie, Weary allyuh lie
Post by: NYtriniwhiteboy.. on October 25, 2012, 01:53:12 PM
ways didnt realize the HPV vaccine been introduced in T&T..
whoever is responsible for that decision well done.

Title: Re: Brownie, Weary allyuh lie
Post by: weary1969 on October 25, 2012, 04:35:54 PM
It hard 2 find all that money so it calls for sleepless nights.
Title: Re: Brownie, Weary allyuh lie
Post by: D.H.W on October 25, 2012, 04:53:25 PM
Fowl face f**ker
Title: PAGING VERNA JACK NEEDS 2 GO ST. ANN'S
Post by: weary1969 on November 06, 2012, 12:37:12 PM
KUCHOOR OVER NAGAR
Jack refuses to attend Divali festival because Rowley invited
By Anna Ramdass anna.ramdass@trinidadexpress.com


National Security Minister Jack Warner did not attend the opening of the Divali Nagar in Chaguanas on Sunday night because Opposition leader Dr Keith Rowley was invited.

Warner has written to public relations officer of the National Council of Indian Culture (NCIC), Surujdeo Mangaroo, to explain his absence from the opening ceremony.

In the letter dated November 3, Warner stated that his love for the Hindu community motivated his decision to stay away.

"When I was informed of Dr Keith Rowley's presence, at a time when the national community is so politically charged, the only logical process that followed suggested that such action would only serve to reduce this holy festival to political jostling, which, given the respect and love I have for the Hindu community, I chose not to be a part of now or ever," stated Warner in his letter.

"It is in this regard that I chose not to attend because for me, to reduce the opening of the Divali Nagar below its lofty and holy expectations is sacrilegious," he added.

Warner also stated he has been a "faithful servant" to the Hindu community for the past 20 years and "the service which I offered was predicated on the purity for which Hinduism stands, the honesty which it promotes and its moral values for which we all have become familiar".

"It has never dawned upon me to align my presence to further any political gain, either personal or for my party, or to reduce the meaning of such an important event through any form of politicisation," stated Warner.

Contacted yesterday, NCIC president Deokinanan Sharma told the Express no special invitation was sent to Rowley. He said all parliamentarians were invited to the Nagar's opening ceremony every year.

"Every single year, we have invited all members of Parliament to the Nagar. Unfortunately, members of the PNM in recent years have not come. In previous years Mr Manning came, Mrs Joan Yuille-Williams came as minister of culture and also Marlene McDonald," said Sharma.

"We just continued as we do every year and invited all parliamentarians. They (Opposition members) decided to come this year. They are welcome, all are welcome as any other guest, as all patrons,'' said Sharma.

He added that the organisers had no information Warner was even planning to attend the opening ceremony.

Warner, he said, was invited as the guest of honour on one of the nights during the Nagar's schedule of events.

The Express tried to contact Warner to enquire whether he would be attending on the night that was designated for him but calls to his cellphone went unanswered.

The Divali Nagar officially opened with a grand cultural explosion on Sunday night with a number of parliamentarians in attendance.

Rowley, who is working with a local consultant on improving his image, attended the event outfitted in a black kurta with gold embroidery. His wife, Sharon, wore a purple and gold-coloured shalwar with red accents.

Also in attendance from the PNM were Opposition Senators Faris Al-Rawi, Pennelope Beckles, PNM chairman Franklin Khan and Point Fortin MP Paula Gopee-Scoon.

Government ministers who attended were Energy Minister Kevin Ramnarine, Local Government Minister Suruj Rambachan, Minister in the Ministry of Works, Stacy Roopnarine, and Minister in the Ministry of Environment, Ramona Ramdial. They were all dressed in ethnic Indian wear.

Finance Minister Larry Howai and Arts and Multiculturalism Minister Lincoln Douglas were also present in casual wear.

Contacted yesterday by phone, Franklin Khan told the Express Warner was now "bordering on the ridiculous".

He said if Warner has to take offence with anything it should be that he (Khan) was invited as PNM chairman because he was not a parliamentarian.

"This guy is bordering on the ridiculous. Dr Rowley was there, he sat there and enjoyed the programme, he participated, he was kind and gentle and interacted with the people," said Khan.

"It was a religious occasions which the PNM took part in as an official party which represents the national interest. There was no politics at play," Khan added.

Khan also criticised Warner for using the race card by suggesting last week that the thousands who turned out at the protest march in the capital city were of one ethnic group.

"I think it is unnecessary, it is uncalled for, it is also very dangerous. Jack Warner is walking down a slippery slope and I call on all citizens to reject his outburst vehemently," said Khan.

—with reporting by

Carla Bridglal


Title: Re: PAGING VERNA JACK NEEDS 2 GO ST. ANN'S
Post by: Jah Gol on November 06, 2012, 12:51:50 PM
What to say , steups smh
Title: Re: PAGING VERNA JACK NEEDS 2 GO ST. ANN'S
Post by: weary1969 on November 06, 2012, 01:12:54 PM
What to say , steups smh

I serious from the PNM murder to only Africans marched to this. D elevator never use 2 go all d way up but now it eh moving off d ground floor.
Title: Re: PAGING VERNA JACK NEEDS 2 GO ST. ANN'S
Post by: Bourbon on November 06, 2012, 01:41:46 PM
Hm.


I wonder if he go stop going parliament cause rowley there too?
Title: Re: PAGING VERNA JACK NEEDS 2 GO ST. ANN'S
Post by: weary1969 on November 06, 2012, 01:45:19 PM
Hm.


I wonder if he go stop going parliament cause rowley there too?

That will be sweet.
Title: Re: PAGING VERNA JACK NEEDS 2 GO ST. ANN'S
Post by: Dutty on November 06, 2012, 01:48:33 PM
LOL!! Ah wonder if he stomp and roll on de ground in ah tantrum
Title: Re: PAGING VERNA JACK NEEDS 2 GO ST. ANN'S
Post by: ZANDOLIE on November 06, 2012, 11:47:57 PM
Hm.


I wonder if he go stop going parliament cause rowley there too?

Lol
Title: Re: PAGING VERNA JACK NEEDS 2 GO ST. ANN'S
Post by: Football supporter on November 07, 2012, 05:22:01 AM
Actually, I think Warner has a point. Rowley, being African, is clearly going after the Indian vote and East Indians like Jack will clearly be upset by it.  :devil:
Title: Re: PAGING VERNA JACK NEEDS 2 GO ST. ANN'S
Post by: g on November 07, 2012, 10:37:09 AM
Sighs, if these fellas were a bit nore nationalistic than secular this would be a much better place.

Devant givesJack support

...Minister stays away from Nagar due to Rowley's presence

By Anna Ramdass anna.ramdass@trinidadexpress.com

Story Created: Nov 6, 2012 at 11:05 PM ECT

(Story Updated: Nov 6, 2012 at 11:25 PM ECT )

Food Production Minister Devant Maharaj said yesterday that he also decided not to attend the opening ceremony of Divali Nagar in Chaguanas on Sunday because of the presence of Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley.

National Security Minister Jack Warner wrote last Saturday to Surujdeo Mangaroo, public relations officer of the National Council of Indian Culture (NCIC), to explain his absence from the opening ceremony.

"When I was informed of Dr Keith Rowley's presence, at a time when the national community is so politically charged, the only logical process that followed suggested that such action would only serve to reduce this holy festival to political jostling, which, given the respect and love I have for the Hindu community, I chose not to be a part of, now or ever," stated Warner in his letter.

Speaking to the Express by phone, Maharaj said he fully supports Warner.

"I support Mr Warner; I also stayed away because I knew he (Rowley) was invited to be there...for years, he refused to attend while the PNM (People's National Movement) was in Government," said Maharaj.

"I know first hand how the PNM discriminated against the Hindu community; as a member of the Maha Sabha, we had to take them to court for the radio licence matter and the Trinity Cross matter, and many others...and they are using Divali for cheap political mileage and to re-image Rowley and the PNM. I object to the PNM using and exploiting Divali as part of their marketing strategy for Dr Rowley."

But while Maharaj was in full support of Warner, his other Government colleagues distanced themselves from the controversy.

Said Housing Minister Dr Roodal Moonilal: "I don't get involved in MPs' personal matters; a decision to attend or not to attend is left to the judgment of an MP or minister."

Local Government Minister Suruj Rambachan, who attended the opening ceremony, said: "I think Mr Warner's move was a personal decision; that's his right to make a personal decision."

Rambachan said he enjoyed the opening ceremony and commended the Sandra Sookdeo dance group on their performance.

In response, Rowley questioned how an invitation from the NCIC was fuelling such malice.

"I was there on Sunday night with my wife and some of my colleagues; we had a lovely evening. I had dinner with the NCIC executive and Government members, and not one of these persons treated me out of the ordinary...the only person that seems to have an issue is Jack Warner," said Rowley.

He added that he and his wife walked around the Nagar site and admired the booths with Indian clothing and art, and even accepted requests from people and children to have pictures taken with them.

Rowley asked if a group of Tobagonians were to march over an issue whether any government minister can say to ignore them because they are Tobagonians.

Warner, he said, has embarrassed this country.

"When you have a minister of Government saying he refuses to go to a religious function because the Opposition leader is there, it portrayed to the entire world that there is racial divisions in the country; this is a man who was acting as Prime Minister, taking issue with a religious organisation's invitation to me. He has embarrassed this country, and I'm sure he has embarrassed the NCIC," said Rowley.

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Devant_gives_Jack_support-177576111.html
Title: Re: PAGING VERNA JACK NEEDS 2 GO ST. ANN'S
Post by: 1-868 on November 07, 2012, 10:57:05 AM
2 c**tS
Title: Re: PAGING VERNA JACK NEEDS 2 GO ST. ANN'S
Post by: congo on November 07, 2012, 04:41:16 PM
Alluh see how Deviant change his tongue now. When PNM was in power he was saying that they discriminating against all Indians. Now he saying they were discriminating against Hindus. Jokers
Title: Re: PAGING VERNA JACK NEEDS 2 GO ST. ANN'S
Post by: Jah Gol on November 07, 2012, 06:57:24 PM
Alluh see how Deviant change his tongue now. When PNM was in power he was saying that they discriminating against all Indians. Now he saying they were discriminating against Hindus. Jokers
Imagine if Obama made Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson a member of his cabinet. That's essentially what KPB did. In my view it is impossible for a person like Devant who so vehemently represents narrow ethnic interests to have any credibility as a fair and evenhanded public official.

You're right, Devant Maharaj who led the Indo-Trinibagonian Equality Council has refocused on 'Hindus' in his utterances.
Title: Re: PAGING VERNA JACK NEEDS 2 GO ST. ANN'S
Post by: pardners on November 14, 2012, 11:50:24 AM
On Monday night TV6 reported that the head of the IRO spoke out in support of Jack Warner and his stance to not attend the opening of the Divali Naggar.  I haven't read a papers since Sunday...does anyone have access to the story?

It was strange on the Monday night's news on TV6 that the only clip they aired was showing the Head IRO saying (I paraphrasing) "I as head of the IRO and as a Hindu, I want to complement Mr. Warner on his words...." and then the clip ended.  The next thing is the question to poll the viewers was something like "Do you agree with the head of the IRO giving support to Mr. Warners decision to not attend the Divali Naggar because Dr. Rowley was present there?"

I found it strange that such an office of Head IRO would say something like that...since the thing is that Warner had just given a speech to which the IRO man responding.  In the beginning of Warner's speech he said jokingly that he not about adding any more kuchoor to the thing on that night.  The rest of the speech was well received, so I suspected that it was the speech the IRO man was responding to.

I heard on the news yesterday that he denied giving support to Warner's admitted absence on the opening night of the Naggar.  I wonder if TV6 playing games with we now?
Title: Re: PAGING VERNA JACK NEEDS 2 GO ST. ANN'S
Post by: g on November 14, 2012, 02:29:16 PM
I heard the same thing on the news, it would be dangerous to take that quote in isolation especially where he says he supports Warner given the last thing Warner said was his ill advised statement that sought to politicize the Nagar opening.

But in the same breath, the IRO comes across as gullible and naieve to think that he could compartmentalize Jack Warner's utterances without people's interpretations that he supports his stance in the Nagar opening.
Title: Jack Warner: a case of expanding the national security portfolio?
Post by: asylumseeker on January 08, 2013, 08:57:21 PM
Mr. Warner has made pronouncements on several issues that traditionally have not been viewed as within the portfolio of a Trinbagonian Minister of National Security. At first glance it seemed that he was ... (put diplomatically) being "ill-disciplined". However, now I think the case can be made that he holds a more expansive portfolio re: national security than any of his predecessors ever held.

So ... at issue here are (not limited to these by any means)

1. the definition of national security being employed
2. how much if this is "official"? how much if it is allowed because of his large political footprint?
3. if it is "official", there are some questions to be inquired into with respect to cabinet affairs
4. what does it mean for the future?
5. how easy is it to co-opt cabinet portfolios?
6. Is the PM acting out of deference or acquiescence?

Example:
Quote
But National Security Minister Jack Warner told TV6 News he is very concerned.

"I first of all want to commiserate with the family of the soldier and to say that I await the report that would come to us, I imagine, within a couple of days before I make a statement formally. More importantly, what is of concern to me is the fact that I have now learnt there is only one qualified pathologist in the country and for me that raises all kinds of questions in terms of justice...in terms of our justice system," said Warner.

He said he has asked the National Security Ministry's Permanent Secretary to give him a report within the next 22 hours as to why this situation existed and what can be done to correct it.

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Fuad__No_problem_with_autopsies-185960571.html
Title: Re: Jack Warner: a case of expanding the national security portfolio?
Post by: Bakes on January 08, 2013, 11:09:33 PM
Fact of the matter is that Trinidad is seldom troubled by traditional "National Security" issues, which contrary to the US application, has largely focused on external rather than internal threats, largely the purview of the CoP.  Given this vacuum of activity therefore, Warner has chosen to keep himself busy by inserting himself into matters beyond his portfolio... hence the destruction of the Rerout camp; hence the response to the Observer editorial... hence any number of matters which upon further scrutiny showed that he was more interested in remaining relevant to the spotlight rather than offering anything of substance.
Title: Re: Jack Warner: a case of expanding the national security portfolio?
Post by: zuluwarrior on February 07, 2013, 11:04:18 AM
http://now.msn.com/dog-with-human-face-tonik-the-poodle-photo-goes-viral?ocid=ansnow11.

This have a FACE like the PP attack dog.
Title: Re: Jack Warner: a case of expanding the national security portfolio?
Post by: Jah Gol on February 07, 2013, 11:41:38 AM
Seeker ,those are valid questions but I think you would have benefited from seeing a TV6 news report after one of the first cabinet meetings to discuss the section 34 fallout.

The scene was as follows : Reporters surround KPB as she's about to enter a vehicle. Warner is just behind her in the background. The PM evades question after question and says that Mr. Warner also attended the meeting he will answer your questions. She repeats that response at least twice before getting into the car. 

I found one line in this report http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Jack_sorry_for_calling_PM_drunk-180653541.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Jack_sorry_for_calling_PM_drunk-180653541.html) to be interesting too.

Quote
The Minister vowed to protect and defend the Prime Minister against anyone who attacks her – including journalists.

Title: Re: Jack Warner: a case of expanding the national security portfolio?
Post by: zuluwarrior on February 17, 2013, 09:57:10 PM


Ministry linked to search for Flying Squad base


Published:


Sunday, February 17, 2013



Anika Gumbs-Sandiford
 


Minister of National Security Jack Warner



An internal e-mail trail at the Ministry of National Security shows that a base was sought for the New Flying Squad Investigation Unit (NFSIU). And while Minister of National Security Jack Warner claims the unit remains defunct since it was shut down in the 1980s, investigations show otherwise. Newly-appointed National Security Operations Centre (NSOC) director Garvin Heerah was aware of plans to revive the unit.
 
 
 
 
 
Evidence of this is shown in a series of e-mails obtained by the Sunday Guardian that was sent to Heerah during September and October last year. Among them is a September 21 e-mail discussing the rental of office space for the unit at Nanan Street East, Aranguez. The e-mail reads, “Please see below the location in Aranguez for the location for FS housing unit. It is a prime spot and the location is close to the highway for easy access.”
 
 
 
The two-storey building that was being proposed is equipped with fire detectors, sensors, cameras and motion sensors. When the Sunday Guardian contacted Heerah last week asking him to shed some light on the details of the e-mail, he said, “I prefer to discuss this matter off the phone. There is some more information that you need to get. What you are seeing is the facilitation of information. “I will explain it at another time that is appropriate. I have to get permission.”
 
 
 
 
 
However, while Heerah shied away from commenting, the owner of the building, Sherrick Ishmael, confirmed that officials from the National Security Ministry contacted him last year in connection with renting the building to set up the unit. “We had all the documentation in place,” Ishmael said. “The last I heard from them is that they were interested. I went out of the country so I did not hear anything further from them. I do not know what is going on.”
 
 
 
The Sunday Guardian learnt the Aranguez location was not suited for the covert operation and a decision was then taken to set up operations from an office at the premises of Trident Technical and Logistical Services and Donrich Security Kennels, at Factory Road, Golden Grove Road, Arouca. Something went awry sometime between October and December last year as investigations show plans were also on stream to bring the unit under the remit of the police service.
 
 
 
 
 
Ag CoP Williams in the dark
 However, acting Commissioner of Police Stephen Williams, who has to sanction the setting up of such a unit, was kept in the dark about what was taking place. The acting CoP could not be reached for comment yesterday. Williams announced last week that reports that the unit had been revived were being investigated. A top police official commented, “The law is quite clear and the CoP must sanction such a unit.
 
 
 
“A unit can be covert but must be sanctioned by the CoP—otherwise it is an illegal entity that must be stopped immediately.”
 
 
 
 
 
The paper trail for the squad
 
A contract dated November 2, 2012, was drawn up for all NFSIU members to fill out on assuming duty as SRPs. Several people claiming to be members of the NFSIU sent the Sunday Guardian a copy of the contract and related documents—including a telephone listing for members of the unit—after the story was published on February 2.
 
 
 
The logo of the NFSIU is emblazoned on the first page of the contract. Its address is listed as Factory Road, Golden Grove. Under the heading “Ministry of National Security and the NFSIU,” the contract says: “Pursuant to your appointment as a SRP officer and subject to the provisions of the SRP Act Chap 15:03, I hereby advise you of the following:
 “(1) You are called out to full-time duty at any location to perform the duties and tasks as set out in Schedule 1 for two years beginning November 2012.
 “(2) The terms and conditions of your employment as recommended by the chief personnel/NSOC administration officer, which are particularized in Schedule 2, shall take effect from the date of assumption of duty
 “(3) It is agreed that the stated salary shall be subject to all applicable deductions and would become payable in arrears on the last working day of each month or when necessary.”   
 
 
 
 
 
Recruiting the squad
 Investigations show some of the members of the disbanded Special Anti-Crime Unit (SAUTT) were recruited to be part of the NFSIU. In 2011, the People’s Partnership Government decided to scrap SAUTT on the basis that it was a burden on taxpayers and the move would save $132 million annually.
 
 
 
However, the Sunday Guardian learned, while some of the members were assigned to different state intelligence agencies, others were working part-time at the NFSIU up until January 30. Random telephone calls to several of the members yesterday confirmed that they were in fact working under the NFSIU. Speaking under strict anonymity, one officer said, “I started working from October to December. I filled out the application form, I did everything.
 
 
 
“No vehicle was assigned to me. I was assigned to the Central area.” Asked if a salary was agreed upon, the officer said, “It was supposed to be approximately $20,000 per month.” When the Sunday Guardian contacted another officer, he revealed that he formed part of the NFSIU executive and held a senior post in the unit.
 
 
 
"I started in August,” he said. “I filled out the NFSIU application form. I worked from August to January. We moved to Piarco. “I received no salary but it was agreed in the presence of others that I would be paid approximately $35,000 per month. I have not received a single cent for my services.” A retired police officer who had started work with the NFSIU said, "I received pension from the police service but I came on from the first week in September until the last day when we worked from Piarco, in December. I never was paid.
 
 
 
“We operated from Donrich Security compound in Piarco. We did not agree on a salary as yet." Several calls to other members also confirmed that the NFSIU had been up and running.
 


 


 Lets see what the Project Manager will do this time .
Title: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 84 MURDERS IN 63 DAYS!!
Post by: Socapro on February 17, 2013, 11:55:58 PM
Guess this is what happens when you appoint a crooked person who is not qualified for the job as you Minsiter of National Security!  :yellowcard:

59 MURDERS IN 48 DAYS (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/59_MURDERS_IN_48_DAYS-191622201.html)
Seven killed over weekend
By Rickie Ramdass and Gyasi Gonzales
Story Created: Feb 17, 2013 at 10:56 PM ECT


KILLERS went on a rampage last weekend, snuffing out the lives of seven men between Friday night and late yesterday evening.
 
The latest killing spree has pushed the murder toll for the year so far to 59 in 48 days, according to an Express tally.
 
Six of those killed have been identified as Kevin "Stumpy" Thomas, 28; Terry Gill, 29; Ronald Nurse, 23; Brent Delcon, 31; Marlon Bradshaw, 41; and Sherman Toussaint, 27.
 
The seventh man remained unidentified up to press time last night.

Two of the killings took place in Longdenville, two more occurred along St Paul Street, East Dry River, Port of Spain, while the others were in Arima, Maloney and Cocorite.
 
In the first incident, police said Thomas, of Upper Quarry Street, Diego Martin, was at the car park of an apartment complex along St Paul Street around 7.45 p.m. on Friday when residents reported hearing the sound of gunfire.
 
A team of officers from the Port of Spain Criminal Investigations Department (CID), led by ASP Ajith Persad along with Sgt Henry and Cpl Budrie, visited the scene and found Thomas dead.
 
A motive for his killing has not been determined.

Not more than 15 minutes later, Central Division officers responded to a shooting incident along Lamont Street, Longdenville.
 
At the time, Gill was at home with his wife when he heard someone knocking on the front door, said police.
 
He proceeded to open the door, after which a man pulled out a gun and shot him five times to the chest.
 
Gill's wife, together with neighbours, rushed him to Chaguanas Health Facility, but by the time they arrived he was already dead.
 
Investigators said they have since classified his death as drug-related as Gill had been arrested several times for possession of narcotics.
 
In the incident which took place in Arima, police said Delcon, of Seyjagat Trace, Cocorite Road, was walking along the road close to his home around 7.30 p.m. on Saturday when he was approached by a gunman.
 
The assailant, police said, opened fire, hitting him several times about the body before escaping.
 
Delcon's wife found her husband lying along the roadway with bullet wounds about the body. He was taken to Arima District Hospital but was pronounced dead on arrival.
 
Three hours later, at 11.30 p.m., Bradshaw, of Swan Lane, Maloney, was in the process of opening a door to enter his home when a black car pulled up close by and the occupants opened fire on him, said investigators.
 
Bradshaw was hit to the upper body and died on the spot. The gunmen then sped away.
 
Detectives said they did not have a clear motive for either killing.

Like Gill, Nurse lived at Lamont Street, Longdenville.

Officers said at around 3.45 a.m. yesterday, he was stabbed to death following a fight at Traxx Bar on Railway Road, Chaguanas.
 
After the fight, police said, Nurse walked out the bar and was confronted by the man who by that time had armed himself with a knife.
 
The man ran up to Nurse and stabbed him several times about the body.

Nurse ran a short distance toward Chaguanas Police Station but collapsed and died along the roadway.
 
A team of officers arrived on the scene, while another team, led by Snr Supt Deodath Dulalchan and Supt Johnny Abraham, went in search of the suspect and later found him at the home of a friend in Montrose, Chaguanas.
 
The knife believed to have been used in the attack was also recovered, said police.
 
Officers said they were unable to say if Nurse's killing was linked to Gill's.

And yesterday evening, officers from both the Western and Port of Spain divisions responded to separate murders in Cocorite and the East Dry River.
 
Shortly before 5 p.m., Sherman Toussaint, of Harding Place, Cocorite, was shot dead close to his home.
 
Residents reported hearing five loud explosions before finding Toussaint lying dead along the roadway.
 
Around the same time, Port of Spain detectives were called to St Paul Street, where they found the body of a man whose identity was not immediately available.
 
He was shot multiple times about the body.

Up to press time last night, homicide detectives, officers of the Criminal Investigations Department (CID) together with Crime Scene investigators were processing the scenes for clues.
 
Homicide detectives are continuing investigations into the latest killings.
Title: Re: 59 MURDERS IN 48 DAYS
Post by: truetrini on February 18, 2013, 12:17:08 AM
whappen to allyuh?  Like allyuh forget they need 120 days to get a handle on de crime or wha?
Title: Re: Jack Warner: a case of expanding the national security portfolio?
Post by: zuluwarrior on February 18, 2013, 06:49:41 AM


Strange case of Flying Squad


Published:


Monday, February 18, 2013
 


“We are back,” retired police inspector Mervyn Cordner declared to the T&T Guardian in November 2008. The event was a get-together of members of the 1980’s era Flying Squad, and these officers were appalled at the state of T&T crime and wanted to change things. Mr Cordner supported CoP James Philbert but was dismissive of the imported police assets then guiding specialist police investigations.
 
 
 
“These people cannot go into Laventille or Bagatelle in Diego Martin and get anything,” he argued. Mr Philbert ignored the offer, and the notion of an Flying Squad went to roost until Mr Cordner saluted in July 2012, the appointment of Jack Warner as minister of national security. No doubt Mr Cordner was heartened to hear among the first words from Mr Warner’s lips after the announcement of his new post, of plans to reconstitute the Flying Squad.
 
 
 
Noting that he had offered a crime plan to former CoP Dwayne Gibbs, Mr Cordner noted that the new security minister “needs people around him who can build that foundation.” In early February Mervyn Cordner reappeared to announce that he had been running a covert intelligence unit, a reconstituted Flying Squad, for the last six months.
 
 
 
According to Mr Cordner, a budget of $180 million had been requested to run the operation for two years, but no money ever came. The squad, with a complement of 75 officers, collapsed for a lack of funding and this public statement was meant to win support for the work that had been done so far. That wasn’t what happened. The next day, Minister of National Security Jack Warner denied having any part in a resurrected Flying Squad.
 
 
 
He was joined in emphatic denials by Acting Commissioner of Police Stephen Williams who promised an investigation into what he hoped was not a “vigilante unit.” MSJ leader David Abdulah called on the minister of national security to resign if he had a hand in the creation of a rogue unit of retired police officers involved in unauthorised intelligence gathering operations.
 
 
 
This startling adventure stands in sharp relief with the Special Anti-Crime Unit (Sautt) which paid out its last severance packages to 78 workers in the same week that Mr Cordner was looking for his funding. Sautt, at least, was a project that the public was aware of, with a specific mandate for its operations. Sautt was never formally recognised as part of this country's crime response, but everyone was aware of it and what it was supposed to do.
 
 
 
Nobody, save for Mr Cordner, seems willing to acknowledge that 75 people were gathered to do a job, apparently given space in which to do it, were not paid and nobody is apparently responsible, despite clear evidence that the group had enablers among persons in authority. This whole situation stinks. The country should be rightfully concerned about Mr Cordner’s group, who made it possible and what, exactly, it's been up to over the last few months.
 
 
 
Those answers aren’t available and that's a situation that's simply untenable.
 


Title: Re: Jack Warner: a case of expanding the national security portfolio?
Post by: asylumseeker on February 18, 2013, 07:47:11 AM
... this should be an issue occupying public discourse more than it has. In time we'll discover who our local Vladimiro Montesinos is.
Title: Re: 59 MURDERS IN 48 DAYS
Post by: Jah Gol on February 18, 2013, 09:38:17 AM
I was monitoring the crime stats before this headline and was wondering if anybody stop bouncing and floating long enough to notice. As I recall it was a similar spate of murders over a single weekend that prompted the SoE of 2011. This is further proof that no amount of pappyshow, grandcharging, cowboy governance could deal with national security.

Watch where T&T reach eh. The economy is still stalled, the government has returned to the regularly scheduled programme of nepotism and corruption, they dismantled a major crime fighting agency , neglected maritime security and compromised national intelligence. 59 in 48 is very dramatic but very necessary headline that highlights not just the result poor governance but symptoms of a failing state.

I feel real negatively about the country as whole these days, not just the leadership but the people themselves. While I think Rowley would serve as much better PM than Kamla I don't think that's enough. Watching the way people just laugh at the pic with Fuad Khan and Ish further illustrated how much we lack consciousness. I sure we starting to forget Hafizool already.

In the mean time the PNM has to organise itself not just for an election but for governance. We can't take another pick up side government. They need to assemble a qualified and experienced team and plan the way forward for the country. We can't continue to approach this problem and  others by desperate and drastic measures. Success comes by doing all the small boring things right and that is what these people don't understand. Because their natural inclination to run in front of a camera and doing the right thing for the country is not their main priority.
Title: Re: Jack Warner: a case of expanding the national security portfolio?
Post by: Jah Gol on February 18, 2013, 10:07:41 AM
Seem like Jack did his own thing, got no approval for anything  and funds weren't allocated. I wonder what the Permanent Secretary has to say about men getting contracts to sign though.
Title: Re: Jack Warner: a case of expanding the national security portfolio?
Post by: D.H.W on February 18, 2013, 10:29:28 AM
And jack still has his job. And kamla remains silent
Title: Re: Jack Warner: a case of expanding the national security portfolio?
Post by: weary1969 on February 18, 2013, 10:33:44 AM
Seem like Jack did his own thing, got no approval for anything  and funds weren't allocated. I wonder what the Permanent Secretary has to say about men getting contracts to sign though.

That might b d reason she eh sign it no way the CPO approving them salaries
Title: Re: 59 MURDERS IN 48 DAYS
Post by: asylumseeker on February 18, 2013, 10:51:12 AM
I was monitoring the crime stats before this headline and was wondering if anybody stop bouncing and floating long enough to notice. As I recall it was a similar spate of murders over a single weekend that prompted the SoE of 2011. This is further proof that no amount of pappyshow, grandcharging, cowboy governance could deal with national security.

Watch where T&T reach eh. The economy is still stalled, the government has returned to the regularly scheduled programme of nepotism and corruption, they dismantled a major crime fighting agency , neglected maritime security and compromised national intelligence. 59 in 48 is very dramatic but very necessary headline that highlights not just the result poor governance but symptoms of a failing state.

I feel real negatively about the country as whole these days, not just the leadership but the people themselves. While I think Rowley would serve as much better PM than Kamla I don't think that's enough. Watching the way people just laugh at the pic with Fuad Khan and Ish further illustrated how much we lack consciousness. I sure we starting to forget Hafizool already.

In the mean time the PNM has to organise itself not just for an election but for governance. We can't take another pick up side government. They need to assemble a qualified and experienced team and plan the way forward for country. We can't continue to approach this problem and  others by desperate and drastic measures. Success comes by doing all the small boring things right and that is what these people don't understand. Because their natural inclination to run in front of a camera and doing the right thing for the country is not their main priority.

Correct ... a point sorely missed by focusing solely on PP (mis)adventures. It's an observation that applied even during the tenure of Mr. Manning.
Title: Re: Jack Warner: a case of expanding the national security portfolio?
Post by: zuluwarrior on February 18, 2013, 12:15:45 PM
I feel if general elections was to be called tommorrow this man would bring Trinbago just like Haiti and worse than JA.

This is a very dangerous man who want power by any means necessary.
Title: Re: Jack Warner: a case of expanding the national security portfolio?
Post by: Jah Gol on February 18, 2013, 12:16:48 PM
And jack still has his job. And kamla remains silent
Warner said he has no files on the PM. He musbe have a DVD.
Title: Re: Jack Warner: a case of expanding the national security portfolio?
Post by: zuluwarrior on February 18, 2013, 03:06:22 PM
Mervin Cordner head of the NFS is in i95fm Radio station listen here

http://www.citadel.co.tt/istream/index.php?station=2
Title: Re: Jack Warner: a case of expanding the national security portfolio?
Post by: Jah Gol on February 18, 2013, 04:01:45 PM
He's evasive.
Title: Re: Jack Warner: a case of expanding the national security portfolio?
Post by: truetrini on February 18, 2013, 04:24:01 PM
59 in 48!

No people that is NOT Kierron Pollard's latest 20/20 score!

Murder!

Where is action man Jack Warner with all the ideas? What happened to the much touted crime plan that was supposed to have been implemented almost three years ago?

Remember the "Give us 120 Days and we will deal with crime and reduce it?"

Remember the rumors about the surreptitious reinstatement of the infamous Flying Squad? The crumb trail leads right back to the Ministry of National Security, despite all the denials.

Remember Calder Hart and Ish, Hafizool and Reshmi, Sasha and her emailed threats threatening the freedom of the press, keep alive the memory of Setion 34 and the missing 200,000,000 from the 2006 World Cup Campaign.

Do not forget the stalled and dying economy despite the ponouncements about oil and natural gas finds that were a supposed boon for the natiuonal treasury.

Remember what were the reasons given for the FAILED State of Emergency and the curfew! Do not forget the numerous persons arrested and released with no charges and those Muslims arrested and held under the Emergency Powers Act for what was already discredited as a fake plot to assissinate the PM, AG and other Ministers.

Do not forget that as we are exhorted to "Do So, and rise," that we are left mired and standing in quicksand!

59 in 48 is a great cricket score, but as a murder statistic it is a stark reminder on how this government has failed us, over and over again!
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: Brownsugar on February 18, 2013, 06:03:13 PM
Make that 60 in 48 days cuz somebody dead during the day......*ahem*  Dinho, yuh still have faith in the "hardest wukking minister"?   ::) ::)

59 MURDERS IN 48 DAYS
Seven killed over weekend

By Rickie Ramdass and Gyasi Gonzales


KILLERS went on a rampage last weekend, snuffing out the lives of seven men between Friday night and late yesterday evening.
The latest killing spree has pushed the murder toll for the year so far to 59 in 48 days, according to an Express tally.
Six of those killed have been identified as Kevin "Stumpy" Thomas, 28; Terry Gill, 29; Ronald Nurse, 23; Brent Delcon, 31; Marlon Bradshaw, 41; and Sherman Toussaint, 27.
The seventh man remained unidentified up to press time last night.

Two of the killings took place in Longdenville, two more occurred along St Paul Street, East Dry River, Port of Spain, while the others were in Arima, Maloney and Cocorite.
In the first incident, police said Thomas, of Upper Quarry Street, Diego Martin, was at the car park of an apartment complex along St Paul Street around 7.45 p.m. on Friday when residents reported hearing the sound of gunfire.

A team of officers from the Port of Spain Criminal Investigations Department (CID), led by ASP Ajith Persad along with Sgt Henry and Cpl Budrie, visited the scene and found Thomas dead.
A motive for his killing has not been determined.
Not more than 15 minutes later, Central Division officers responded to a shooting incident along Lamont Street, Longdenville.
At the time, Gill was at home with his wife when he heard someone knocking on the front door, said police.
He proceeded to open the door, after which a man pulled out a gun and shot him five times to the chest.
Gill's wife, together with neighbours, rushed him to Chaguanas Health Facility, but by the time they arrived he was already dead.

Investigators said they have since classified his death as drug-related as Gill had been arrested several times for possession of narcotics.
In the incident which took place in Arima, police said Delcon, of Seyjagat Trace, Cocorite Road, was walking along the road close to his home around 7.30 p.m. on Saturday when he was approached by a gunman.
The assailant, police said, opened fire, hitting him several times about the body before escaping.
Delcon's wife found her husband lying along the roadway with bullet wounds about the body. He was taken to Arima District Hospital but was pronounced dead on arrival.
Three hours later, at 11.30 p.m., Bradshaw, of Swan Lane, Maloney, was in the process of opening a door to enter his home when a black car pulled up close by and the occupants opened fire on him, said investigators.
Bradshaw was hit to the upper body and died on the spot. The gunmen then sped away.
Detectives said they did not have a clear motive for either killing.
Like Gill, Nurse lived at Lamont Street, Longdenville.
Officers said at around 3.45 a.m. yesterday, he was stabbed to death following a fight at Traxx Bar on Railway Road, Chaguanas.
After the fight, police said, Nurse walked out the bar and was confronted by the man who by that time had armed himself with a knife.
The man ran up to Nurse and stabbed him several times about the body.
Nurse ran a short distance toward Chaguanas Police Station but collapsed and died along the roadway.
A team of officers arrived on the scene, while another team, led by Snr Supt Deodath Dulalchan and Supt Johnny Abraham, went in search of the suspect and later found him at the home of a friend in Montrose, Chaguanas.
The knife believed to have been used in the attack was also recovered, said police.
Officers said they were unable to say if Nurse's killing was linked to Gill's.
And yesterday evening, officers from both the Western and Port of Spain divisions responded to separate murders in Cocorite and the East Dry River.

Shortly before 5 p.m., Sherman Toussaint, of Harding Place, Cocorite, was shot dead close to his home.
Residents reported hearing five loud explosions before finding Toussaint lying dead along the roadway.
Around the same time, Port of Spain detectives were called to St Paul Street, where they found the body of a man whose identity was not immediately available.
He was shot multiple times about the body.

Up to press time last night, homicide detectives, officers of the Criminal Investigations Department (CID) together with Crime Scene investigators were processing the scenes for clues.
Homicide detectives are continuing investigations into the latest killings.


http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/59_MURDERS_IN_48_DAYS-191622201.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/59_MURDERS_IN_48_DAYS-191622201.html)
Title: Re: Breaking News - JACK NEW MINISTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY
Post by: truetrini on February 18, 2013, 06:04:13 PM
61 now!  it is now 61!
Title: Re: Jack Warner: a case of expanding the national security portfolio?
Post by: truetrini on February 18, 2013, 06:07:56 PM
61 now...is f**king 61 now!
Title: Re: Jack Warner: a case of expanding the national security portfolio?
Post by: Jah Gol on February 18, 2013, 06:38:06 PM
59 in 48!

No people that is NOT Kierron Pollard's latest 20/20 score!

Murder!

Where is action man Jack Warner with all the ideas? What happened to the much touted crime plan that was supposed to have been implemented almost three years ago?

Remember the "Give us 120 Days and we will deal with crime and reduce it?"

Remember the rumors about the surreptitious reinstatement of the infamous Flying Squad? The crumb trail leads right back to the Ministry of National Security, despite all the denials.

Remember Calder Hart and Ish, Hafizool and Reshmi, Sasha and her emailed threats threatening the freedom of the press, keep alive the memory of Setion 34 and the missing 200,000,000 from the 2006 World Cup Campaign.

Do not forget the stalled and dying economy despite the ponouncements about oil and natural gas finds that were a supposed boon for the natiuonal treasury.

Remember what were the reasons given for the FAILED State of Emergency and the curfew! Do not forget the numerous persons arrested and released with no charges and those Muslims arrested and held under the Emergency Powers Act for what was already discredited as a fake plot to assissinate the PM, AG and other Ministers.

Do not forget that as we are exhorted to "Do So, and rise," that we are left mired and standing in quicksand!

59 in 48 is a great cricket score, but as a murder statistic it is a stark reminder on how this government has failed us, over and over again!
Everything you said here and the PM doesn't know whats going on. She defers everything to other ministers and more often than not it is that crook Warner. She has some vipers around her too and she's too weak or too leveraged to get rid of them. The drinking doesn't help either.
Title: Re: Jack Warner: a case of expanding the national security portfolio?
Post by: truetrini on February 18, 2013, 06:46:38 PM
You may say the drinking does not help, maybe that is why she back drinking...maYBE it helps her cope  lol
Title: Re: Jack Warner: a case of expanding the national security portfolio?
Post by: Jah Gol on February 18, 2013, 07:03:10 PM
You may say the drinking does not help, maybe that is why she back drinking...maYBE it helps her cope  lol
You might be right . The rumours are more frequent now.
Title: Re: Jack Warner: a case of expanding the national security portfolio?
Post by: D.H.W on February 18, 2013, 08:08:07 PM
rum till i die!!!!!
Title: Re: Jack Warner: a case of expanding the national security portfolio?
Post by: zuluwarrior on February 18, 2013, 08:18:36 PM
Renraw i dont know which one of your mouth you use to make this statement but you made it ,look it right here you lying piece of sxxt.

Jack coming with new crime plan
... not in support of 21st century policing plan
Published: Sunday, June 24, 2012
SHASTRI BOODAN

National Security Minister Jack Warner has promised to crack down on crime and return Trinidad and Tobago to a level of normalcy, even if it means bringing back the flying squad and other measures that worked in the past. He said this yesterday in an interview at his Chaguanas West constituency office at Caroni Savannah Road, where over 300 people  had gathered to seek help
Title: Re: 59 MURDERS IN 48 DAYS
Post by: just cool on February 18, 2013, 08:31:20 PM
Good stuff jahgol, i always enjoy reading your post. just to add to that, i know one things true about effective crime fighting that these ppl seem to over look by every single administration we had to date, 

here's ah little know fact in the annals of crime fighting, in order to keep crime stats down you must keep criminals off the streets! it's that simple!

i saw it here in the late 90ies when juliani put a cop on every corner in the hot spots, the government also started putting repeat offenders out of the country when clinton signed that anti terrorist bill in 1996. 

i see new york went from a place where criminals didn't give ah damn to runnin scared, it happened in the roaring 20ies and it happened again in my life time, and the same method applied, taking these fackers off the streets was the key.

T&T has an extremely flawed judicial and penal system, and that has to change in order to ensure success lowering crime!  first things first, they need lock up the bad cops! them fackers is the catalyst in this runaway train drugs/gun crime.

what's so hard about forming a elite secret police force ala FBI on the island where they could weed out corrupt cops and give them big time behind bars?

the next thing they need to do is restructure the judicial system where they could achieve a greater success rate, like ah three strikes and yuh getting ah 25 yrs in yuh clart. next thing that should be done concurrent with revamping the judicial system is to create ah proper witness protection program, too much fellas getting away with murder bc ppl too scared to show up in court!

but this would never happen bc of bipartisanism, no one wants to give up any ground for the interest and betterment of the country, just like any third world country in the world, they would rather bring the country to it's knees than compromise on the best way forward.

trinidadians not patriotic @ all @ all!!  remember that.
Title: Re: 59 MURDERS IN 48 DAYS
Post by: Deeks on February 18, 2013, 08:54:42 PM
Allyuh could say what allyuh want. When Patrick was dey, he throw he hands up in the air like he give up, because he did not know what to do. "nigger people" just bent on killing one another. If action man jack can't stop it, you really expect Kamla with her charismatic self could solve black people problem? Black people have to solve that problem on the OWN. No PNM, no UNC, not even Selassie I could help we. We just bent on going over the suicide cliff.
Title: Re: 59 MURDERS IN 48 DAYS
Post by: Socapro on February 18, 2013, 08:57:09 PM
Good stuff jahgol, i always enjoy reading your post. just to add to that, i know one things true about effective crime fighting that these ppl seem to over look by every single administration we had to date, 

here's ah little know fact in the annals of crime fighting, in order to keep crime stats down you must keep criminals off the streets! it's that simple!

i saw it here in the late 90ies when juliani put a cop on every corner in the hot spots, the government also started putting repeat offenders out of the country when clinton signed that anti terrorist bill in 1996. 

i see new york went from a place where criminals didn't give ah damn to runnin scared, it happened in the roaring 20ies and it happened again in my life time, and the same method applied, taking these fackers off the streets was the key.

T&T has an extremely flawed judicial and penal system, and that has to change in order to ensure success lowering crime!  first things first, they need lock up the bad cops! them fackers is the catalyst in this runaway train drugs/gun crime.

what's so hard about forming a elite secret police force ala FBI on the island where they could weed out corrupt cops and give them big time behind bars?

the next thing they need to do is restructure the judicial system where they could achieve a greater success rate, like ah three strikes and yuh getting ah 25 yrs in yuh clart. next thing that should be done concurrent with revamping the judicial system is to create ah proper witness protection program, too much fellas getting away with murder bc ppl too scared to show up in court!

but this would never happen bc of bipartisanism, no one wants to give up any ground for the interest and betterment of the country, just like any third world country in the world, they would rather bring the country to it's knees than compromise on the best way forward.

trinidadians not patriotic @ all @ all!!  remember that.
??? Agree with most of what you posted besides the very last line.
I am patriotic and I am a Trini and I have relatives just as patriotic or even more patriotic than me living in Trinidad which is why they still live there rather than run away like I did!  In fact I salute them! :salute:
Title: Re: Jack Warner: a case of expanding the national security portfolio?
Post by: Socapro on February 18, 2013, 09:11:25 PM
You folks need to realise that the PM can't get rid of Jack because she owes him payback for being one of the main financiers of the UNC/PP election campaign that saw them fool the T&T public and get into power.

Also part of Jack's funding for their election campaign seems to have come from the Soca Warriors promised bonus money as the government has not asked Jack to give the missing money back to the TTFF to settle the 2006 Soca Warriors bonus payment dispute that is still before the courts almost 7 years after the players made their 2006 FIFA World Cup appearance.

This is despite the non-payment bonus situation helping to stagnate T&T football and most members of government claiming to be proud of the Soca Warriors achievement back in 2006.
If you are so proud of these 2006 players then why not force Jack to account for the missing money especially as a member of your government when all the TTFF accounts trails lead to him?
The answer is obvious, the players bonus money went towards your election campaign so why bite the crooked hand that feed you?!  :devil:
Title: Re: 59 MURDERS IN 48 DAYS
Post by: Jah Gol on February 18, 2013, 09:23:34 PM
Good stuff jahgol, i always enjoy reading your post. just to add to that, i know one things true about effective crime fighting that these ppl seem to over look by every single administration we had to date, 

here's ah little know fact in the annals of crime fighting, in order to keep crime stats down you must keep criminals off the streets! it's that simple!

i saw it here in the late 90ies when juliani put a cop on every corner in the hot spots, the government also started putting repeat offenders out of the country when clinton signed that anti terrorist bill in 1996. 

i see new york went from a place where criminals didn't give ah damn to runnin scared, it happened in the roaring 20ies and it happened again in my life time, and the same method applied, taking these fackers off the streets was the key.

T&T has an extremely flawed judicial and penal system, and that has to change in order to ensure success lowering crime!  first thing first, they need lock up the bad cops!

what's so hard about forming a elite secret police force ala FBI on the island where they could weed out corrupt cops and give them big time behind bars?

the next thing they need to do is restructure the judicial system where they could achieve a greater success rate, like ah three strikes and yuh getting ah 25 yrs in yuh clart. next thing that should be done concurrent with revamping the judicial system is to create ah proper witness protection program, too much fellas getting away with murder bc ppl too scared to show up in court!

but this would never happen bc of bipartisanism, no one wants to give up any ground for the interest and betterment of the country, just like any third world country in the world, they would rather bring the country to it's knees than compromise on the best way forward.

trinidadians not patriotic @ all @ all!!  remember that.
My mom lived in a notsonice part of Brooklyn for a lil while and I saw this for my self. Not one but 2 cars regularly on the block. A Sunday we walking back to the apartment and there was a white cop standing right outside his car and the officer make sure and say Happy Mother's Day to my mom. The quality of service , professionalism and humanity displayed is still etched on my mind. This is not something achieved overnight either.  The thing is nothing around there was intimidating to me. Just loud ,weed smoking welfare dependent negroes.

On the second point I have to agree with you to an extent. Remember how long it took for police reform bills to pass. And Kamla and dem after opposing the PR bills for years then during the election start to talk about being tough of crime. On the other hand the sitting government does have power and authority to direct several aspects of the national security systems. JC everything you write there is what we need. That and Institutional strengthening and decent governance of our agencies. And there's no shortcut to that.
Title: Re: 59 MURDERS IN 48 DAYS
Post by: weary1969 on February 18, 2013, 09:50:31 PM
Allyuh could say what allyuh want. When Patrick was dey, he throw he hands up in the air like he give up, because he did not know what to do. "nigger people" just bent on killing one another. If action man jack can't stop it, you really expect Kamla with her charismatic self could solve black people problem? Black people have to solve that problem on the OWN. No PNM, no UNC, not even Selassie I could help we. We just bent on going over the suicide cliff.

Wrong PM is Bas as Min of Nat Sec who gave up. He said he eh know what 2 do. Is old Patos who bring Blimp, Eye in d Sky plan to buy OPV. But all we heard is Martin must go and we have a 120 plan well Martin gone over 2 yrs now and I guess d 120 plan was a misprint.
Title: Re: 59 MURDERS IN 48 DAYS
Post by: Jah Gol on February 18, 2013, 10:10:18 PM
Allyuh could say what allyuh want. When Patrick was dey, he throw he hands up in the air like he give up, because he did not know what to do. "nigger people" just bent on killing one another. If action man jack can't stop it, you really expect Kamla with her charismatic self could solve black people problem? Black people have to solve that problem on the OWN. No PNM, no UNC, not even Selassie I could help we. We just bent on going over the suicide cliff.

Wrong PM is Bas as Min of Nat Sec who gave up. He said he eh know what 2 do. Is old Patos who bring Blimp, Eye in d Sky plan to buy OPV. But all we heard is Martin must go and we have a 120 plan well Martin gone over 2 yrs now and I guess d 120 plan was a misprint.
You're right it was Bas.

I remember Martin Joseph giving a press conference looking completely exhausted , the veins on his temple were popping out while he was telling the media to keep up the pressure because the crime level was unacceptable. He was saying they would to work and would try different strategies and expand those that worked and discontinue those that failed etc. I joined in that chorus calling for Martin Joseph to go as I did for Gary Hunt as Sports Minister. Time would reveal that I was wrong on both counts as these men proved to have more class and professionalism than their successors from the UNC et al.
Title: Re: 59 MURDERS IN 48 DAYS
Post by: weary1969 on February 18, 2013, 11:37:03 PM
Allyuh could say what allyuh want. When Patrick was dey, he throw he hands up in the air like he give up, because he did not know what to do. "nigger people" just bent on killing one another. If action man jack can't stop it, you really expect Kamla with her charismatic self could solve black people problem? Black people have to solve that problem on the OWN. No PNM, no UNC, not even Selassie I could help we. We just bent on going over the suicide cliff.

Wrong PM is Bas as Min of Nat Sec who gave up. He said he eh know what 2 do. Is old Patos who bring Blimp, Eye in d Sky plan to buy OPV. But all we heard is Martin must go and we have a 120 plan well Martin gone over 2 yrs now and I guess d 120 plan was a misprint.
You're right it was Bas.

I remember Martin Joseph giving a press conference looking completely exhausted , the veins on his temple were popping out while he was telling the media to keep up the pressure because the crime level was unacceptable. He was saying they would to work and would try different strategies and expand those that worked and discontinue those that failed etc. I joined in that chorus calling for Martin Joseph to go as I did for Gary Hunt as Sports Minister. Time would reveal that I was wrong on both counts as these men proved to have more class and professionalism than their successors from the UNC et al.

At least u repent it hv nuff ostrich still hv their head bury in d sand.
Title: Re: Jack Warner: a case of expanding the national security portfolio?
Post by: weary1969 on February 18, 2013, 11:41:08 PM
You folks need to realise that the PM can't get rid of Jack because she owes him payback for being one of the main financiers of the UNC/PP election campaign that saw them fool the T&T public and get into power.

Also part of Jack's funding for their election campaign seems to have come from the Soca Warriors promised bonus money as the government has not asked Jack to give the missing money back to the TTFF to settle the 2006 Soca Warriors bonus payment dispute that is still before the courts almost 7 years after the players made their 2006 FIFA World Cup appearance.

This is despite the non-payment bonus situation helping to stagnate T&T football and most members of government claiming to be proud of the Soca Warriors achievement back in 2006.
If you are so proud of these 2006 players then why not force Jack to account for the missing money especially as a member of your government when all the TTFF accounts trails lead to him?
The answer is obvious, the players bonus money went towards your election campaign so why bite the crooked hand that feed you?!  :devil:

I sayin that 4 yrs that d players money fund d 2007/2010 campaign. So no way Kams gettin rid of Jack.
And jack still has his job. And kamla remains silent
Warner said he has no files on the PM. He musbe have a DVD.

LOLOLOL
Title: Re: 59 MURDERS IN 48 DAYS
Post by: fishs on February 19, 2013, 01:29:09 AM
[quote
I remember Martin Joseph giving a press conference looking completely exhausted , the veins on his temple were popping out while he was telling the media to keep up the pressure because the crime level was unacceptable. He was saying they would to work and would try different strategies and expand those that worked and discontinue those that failed etc. I joined in that chorus calling for Martin Joseph to go as I did for Gary Hunt as Sports Minister. Time would reveal that I was wrong on both counts as these men proved to have more class and professionalism than their successors from the UNC et al. [/quote]

Why you repenting bro , all of dem was failures with they own cocoa in de sun.
Title: Re: 59 MURDERS IN 48 DAYS
Post by: truetrini on February 19, 2013, 02:11:58 AM
fishes what was martin Joseph's cocoa in the sun?  I want to know... Thanks.
Title: Re: 59 MURDERS IN 48 DAYS
Post by: just cool on February 19, 2013, 05:15:05 AM
Good stuff jahgol, i always enjoy reading your post. just to add to that, i know one things true about effective crime fighting that these ppl seem to over look by every single administration we had to date, 

here's ah little know fact in the annals of crime fighting, in order to keep crime stats down you must keep criminals off the streets! it's that simple!

i saw it here in the late 90ies when juliani put a cop on every corner in the hot spots, the government also started putting repeat offenders out of the country when clinton signed that anti terrorist bill in 1996. 

i see new york went from a place where criminals didn't give ah damn to runnin scared, it happened in the roaring 20ies and it happened again in my life time, and the same method applied, taking these fackers off the streets was the key.

T&T has an extremely flawed judicial and penal system, and that has to change in order to ensure success lowering crime!  first things first, they need lock up the bad cops! them fackers is the catalyst in this runaway train drugs/gun crime.

what's so hard about forming a elite secret police force ala FBI on the island where they could weed out corrupt cops and give them big time behind bars?

the next thing they need to do is restructure the judicial system where they could achieve a greater success rate, like ah three strikes and yuh getting ah 25 yrs in yuh clart. next thing that should be done concurrent with revamping the judicial system is to create ah proper witness protection program, too much fellas getting away with murder bc ppl too scared to show up in court!

but this would never happen bc of bipartisanism, no one wants to give up any ground for the interest and betterment of the country, just like any third world country in the world, they would rather bring the country to it's knees than compromise on the best way forward.

trinidadians not patriotic @ all @ all!!  remember that.
??? Agree with most of what you posted besides the very last line.
I am patriotic and I am a Trini and I have relatives just as patriotic or even more patriotic than me living in Trinidad which is why they still live there rather than run away like I did!  In fact I salute them! :salute:
Breds, ah patriot is not ah man who is willing to admit that he's ah this or ah that, or a man who wears his national colors proudly or brandishes a national flag @ will, but rather a man who's more than willing to lose his life in the pursuit of freedom and equal rights for ppl and the land that he's tied too.

IMO "most" trinis would not shed ah drop of blood for that land let alone risk their lives to protect it. another thing, this is not about you and other ppl who love their native land, but rather i'm talking about the vast majority of trinis who have no ties to trinbago.

FYI, just like america, most trini are not native to trinidad or have very little history there. for them trinidad was ah way for their parents to escape hardship from the smaller islands and have very little true affinity for the place.
Title: Re: Jack Warner: a case of expanding the national security portfolio?
Post by: zuluwarrior on February 19, 2013, 05:30:02 AM
Key man flies out

New Flying Squad fiasco

 By Asha Javeed asha.javeed@trinidadexpress.com



Story Created: Feb 18, 2013 at 9:55 PM ECT
(
Story Updated: Feb 19, 2013 at 7:14 AM ECT )


The man with answers on the existence and operations of a New Flying Squad Investigative Unit (NFSIU), Garvin Heerah, flew out of the country yesterday.
 
And National Security Minister Jack Warner, who yesterday continued to deny that he knew of the existence of the NFSIU, has requested a report by noon today from Heerah.
 
The Express learnt that Heerah, director of National Security Operations Centre (NSOC) and a retired Lieutenant Commander of the Trinidad and Tobago Coast Guard, left Trinidad yesterday morning.
 
The Express was told that Heerah is bound for Argentina for national security meetings.
 
Heerah aided former Flying Squad member Mervyn Cordner, who claims to now head the resurrected unit, to procure vehicles and a suitable location for operations when there was no Cabinet approval for the setup of the unit.
 
He also facilitated meetings with Cordner and for a "civilian" to loan him eight vehicles (station wagons and sedans) for use without payment.
 
Cordner has produced e-mails from November 2012 to the Express which showed that Heerah had authorised him and team to "continue what they were doing" until they could be called in for a meeting.
 
The e-mail trail had also quoted Heerah as stating that Wayne Riley, adviser to National Security Minister Jack Warner, was out of the country and when he returned they would have a meeting for "final sign off." In addition, Heerah had been in touch with Rocky Pacheco, an accountant at the Ministry of National Security on Cordner's behalf.
 
Heerah heads the NSOC which is intended to be the central point from where all national security operations are to be coordinated and from where the National Security Council will receive briefings on national security operations to be chaired by Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar.
 
Heerah's actions are in direct contradiction to Warner's consistent claims that the unit did not exist.
 
It was Cordner who approached National Security Minister Jack Warner in July 2012 with a proposal to resurrect the unit which had operated in the 1970s and 1980s under former commissioner of police Randolph Burroughs.
 
Cordner had proposed that he head a 75-member team with a focus on intelligence-based policing. He told the Express that dissatisfied with the pace at which the Ministry was taking to pump money into the operation, they were forced to close shop in December 2012 and returned the vehicles.
 
In a telephone interview yesterday, Warner maintained that he never gave approval for a revival of the Flying Squad. He admitted to meeting Cordner on two occasions which lasted a total of 60 minutes. He said when Cordner first approached him with the proposal to bring back the unit to fight crime, he took the idea to acting Commissioner of Police Stephen Williams who immediately dismissed the idea because of the character of the proposed officers.
 
Warner said the idea never got off the ground because Cordner had questionable credentials and no approval from Williams.
 
"I can tell you again— there is no contract, no e-mails and I am totally unaware of any house which was rented. I remain perplexed and amazed that Cordner's claims have been given the importance it has with the media to the point of an editorial in today's newspapers (Express editorial). But there are many holes in Cordner's story," he said.
 
The Express was able to verify that Cordner's doctorate was purchased from a diploma mill.
 
In all his documents, he refers to himself as Dr Mervyn Cordner. However, the Express learnt that Rochville University sells degrees, diplomas and doctorates for a fee. The Rochville University website does not offer any telephone numbers for contacting it. An email sent by the Express requesting verification of Cordner's doctorate generated a response from "Affordable Degrees."
 
Warner said that he has asked Heerah to prepare a report on Cordner and the NFSIU to be delivered to him by midday today.
 
Williams told the Express yesterday that he never supported the idea of reviving the Flying Squad from the word "go". He said he had no dealing with Cordner nor did he have a single meeting with anyone.
 
Cordner had told the Express that he had been engaged in several operations, one titled "Operation Axala" which involved police officers and members of the Trinidad and Tobago Defence Force.
 
Contrary to Cordner's claims that police officers were involved in several operations which he undertook, Williams said no such activity took place.
 
General of the Trinidad and Tobago Defence Force, Kenrick Maharaj, also denied any discussions with Cordner or use of his team. He said no request was made for any men nor any authorisation given to support any operation of the alleged NFSIU. He maintained that he has no knowledge of the unit's operations.
 
Cordner has submitted a claim to the Ministry of National Security for $24 million which he said was incurred over the six-month period—from July to December— during which the unit allegedly operated.
 
Cordner said he has more documented proof of the Ministry's complicity in the NFSIU but will use it as a base to pursue legal proceedings against Warner for breach of contract with the hope of a $180 million settlement.


 When was the last time the Minister Of National Security left Trinbago on a plane or boat or ship the way he use to in times gone by.

Title: Re: 59 MURDERS IN 48 DAYS
Post by: fishs on February 19, 2013, 05:48:14 AM
fishes what was martin Joseph's cocoa in the sun?  I want to know... Thanks.

 Is the same cocoa all of them make tea from.
 Chinese  ( check out the inmates in the detention center)
Title: Re: Jack Warner: a case of expanding the national security portfolio?
Post by: Bourbon on February 19, 2013, 06:01:07 AM
It damn good for all of we.
Title: Re: 59 MURDERS IN 48 DAYS
Post by: Socapro on February 19, 2013, 06:59:38 AM
Good stuff jahgol, i always enjoy reading your post. just to add to that, i know one things true about effective crime fighting that these ppl seem to over look by every single administration we had to date, 

here's ah little know fact in the annals of crime fighting, in order to keep crime stats down you must keep criminals off the streets! it's that simple!

i saw it here in the late 90ies when juliani put a cop on every corner in the hot spots, the government also started putting repeat offenders out of the country when clinton signed that anti terrorist bill in 1996. 

i see new york went from a place where criminals didn't give ah damn to runnin scared, it happened in the roaring 20ies and it happened again in my life time, and the same method applied, taking these fackers off the streets was the key.

T&T has an extremely flawed judicial and penal system, and that has to change in order to ensure success lowering crime!  first things first, they need lock up the bad cops! them fackers is the catalyst in this runaway train drugs/gun crime.

what's so hard about forming a elite secret police force ala FBI on the island where they could weed out corrupt cops and give them big time behind bars?

the next thing they need to do is restructure the judicial system where they could achieve a greater success rate, like ah three strikes and yuh getting ah 25 yrs in yuh clart. next thing that should be done concurrent with revamping the judicial system is to create ah proper witness protection program, too much fellas getting away with murder bc ppl too scared to show up in court!

but this would never happen bc of bipartisanism, no one wants to give up any ground for the interest and betterment of the country, just like any third world country in the world, they would rather bring the country to it's knees than compromise on the best way forward.

trinidadians not patriotic @ all @ all!!  remember that.
??? Agree with most of what you posted besides the very last line.
I am patriotic and I am a Trini and I have relatives just as patriotic or even more patriotic than me living in Trinidad which is why they still live there rather than run away like I did!  In fact I salute them! :salute:
Breds, ah patriot is not ah man who is willing to admit that he's ah this or ah that, or a man who wears his national colors proudly or brandishes a national flag @ will, but rather a man who's more than willing to lose his life in the pursuit of freedom and equal rights for ppl and the land that he's tied too.

IMO "most" trinis would not shed ah drop of blood for that land let alone risk their lives to protect it. another thing, this is not about you and other ppl who love their native land, but rather i'm talking about the vast majority of trinis who have no ties to trinbago.

FYI, just like america, most trini are not native to trinidad or have very little history there. for them trinidad was ah way for their parents to escape hardship from the smaller islands and have very little true affinity for the place.
Okay, I see where you are coming from now.
I would like to see the figures to prove that most Trinis are not native to Trinidad & Tobago and so have very little true affinity for the place!
Title: Re: Jack Warner: a case of expanding the national security portfolio?
Post by: asylumseeker on February 19, 2013, 07:38:34 AM
Excerpted from the article:

Quote
The Express was able to verify that Cordner's doctorate was purchased from a diploma mill.
 
In all his documents, he refers to himself as Dr Mervyn Cordner. However, the Express learnt that Rochville University sells degrees, diplomas and doctorates for a fee. The Rochville University website does not offer any telephone numbers for contacting it. An email sent by the Express requesting verification of Cordner's doctorate generated a response from "Affordable Degrees."

Ent when it rains it sometimes pours? Cordner, go and stand in de corner wid Hafizool. Watch this baby drown with the bathwater now that your credibility has been put at issue.
Title: Re: 59 MURDERS IN 48 DAYS
Post by: lefty on February 19, 2013, 07:59:56 AM
most trinis have little in d way of national pride.........steups if veneveula decided to anex we ass most would go out and get spanish lesson rather than stand and fight............I have even heard trinis say dey would mind if we was made part of d US. other islanders, will leave and go to d states for a better life but I doubt most would talk dat kinda foolishness trinis does talk.
Title: Re: Jack Warner: a case of expanding the national security portfolio?
Post by: zuluwarrior on February 19, 2013, 08:33:56 AM
cordner have some creditability issues but that flying squad story have some truth in it ,is Jack Warner we talking bout, if you could say cordner is lying why jack not lying too.
Title: Re: 59 MURDERS IN 48 DAYS
Post by: Jah Gol on February 19, 2013, 08:37:51 AM
Trinis like the fanfare and pageantry of patriotism. We love the vibrant reds and the soca in we blood. I've heard Leroy Clarke describe it as the very opposite of culture, 'the exhaust' in fact. We are obsessed with the facade but fail to grasp the substance of nationalism. The very nature of patriotism is rooted is selfless sacrifice for the collective good. It is the deference of one's immediate personal interest for others in your community. It is the recognition of traditions and heroes and the preservation of those values.

Power was recognized, but dignity was allowed to no one. Every person of eminence was held to be crooked and contemptible. We lived in a society which denied itself heroes.

The Middle Passage, V.S. Naipaul


You don't have to like Naipaul to recognise the truth in this assessment of Trinidad in particular.  Everybody from Dr. Williams to Robinson to even Ato Boldon suffered from this.

The 1990 coup is another testament to our 'patriotism'. Politicians were complicit as they tried to get rid of that wicked Robbie then people looted and plundered their countrymen.
Title: Re: 59 MURDERS IN 48 DAYS
Post by: Observer on February 19, 2013, 09:15:43 AM
Great discussion gentlemen I  :applause: you all.

The problem with crime and tackling crime is rooted in the society & can only be eradicated through connecting the dots. From education, to the elimination & none acceptance of corruption and an adherence to policy, regardless of who or whom is being accused.

Yes we have a gun problem, but we also have a bigger problem of generations who accept corruption as a way of life. All criminal activity must be tackled equally, from illegal parking & traffic laws, to theft, corruption & murder. Don't laugh! Its not just us, many countries have, or had similar problems, those that tackled it successfully made tough hard decisions. Once you start the identification of the corrupt officials, business & high society peoples, then just prosecution & sentencing. You will find that a major chain of command is severed. These are the people with the financial means & contacts to lubricate the organized crime machine. It has a trickle down effect.

Peoples of our Nation want something done about the crime, if so they must accept that ALL will have to make the sacrifice. Jah Gol right, its not about winning the election, it is about governance. However, the people will only accept if they are convinced its "one for all and all for one"  When the peoples see that the law only exist to supress the majority, then you have a major problem.

Once you follow this path & educate our future generations above & beyond the Academic model, you create a society with a different approach, respect and outlook.

Antidote:  here is a very good question thrown out at me by a child. 'Dad if the law states that you cannot drive over 110km, why do they allow cars that operate on the road, to be made, that can travel over 110km?"  ;D
Title: Re: Jack Warner: a case of expanding the national security portfolio?
Post by: Jah Gol on February 19, 2013, 10:31:04 AM
cordner have some creditability issues but that flying squad story have some truth in it ,is Jack Warner we talking bout, if you could say cordner is lying why jack not lying too.
That's exactly whats going on. I listened to the Cordner interview yesterday. He has the makings of a snake but Jack isn't innocent either.
Title: Re: Jack Warner: a case of expanding the national security portfolio?
Post by: Bourbon on February 19, 2013, 11:55:50 AM
We really in a state yes.

A fraud investigating and buss de files of a next fraud. Then asking the general public to decide between who to trust between him and a suma-fraud.


Good grief.

Title: Re: 59 MURDERS IN 48 DAYS
Post by: Bakes on February 19, 2013, 12:28:19 PM
Antidote:  here is a very good question thrown out at me by a child. 'Dad if the law states that you cannot drive over 110km, why do they allow cars that operate on the road, to be made, that can travel over 110km?"  ;D

Very easy answer to that question.
Title: Re: 59 MURDERS IN 48 DAYS
Post by: Bakes on February 19, 2013, 12:34:46 PM
I joined in that chorus calling for Martin Joseph to go as I did for Gary Hunt as Sports Minister. Time would reveal that I was wrong on both counts as these men proved to have more class and professionalism than their successors from the UNC et al.

The flag imbroglio aside... I still don't understand the animus that was directed at Hunt. He was the ONLY Sports Minister to stand up to Jack Warner and the TTFF.  Is only now that Jack wash he hands that Anil trying to act like he find he balls.

...i'm talking about the vast majority of trinis who have no ties to trinbago.

FYI, just like america, most trini are not native to trinidad or have very little history there. for them trinidad was ah way for their parents to escape hardship from the smaller islands and have very little true affinity for the place.

Specious nonsense.
Title: Re: 59 MURDERS IN 48 DAYS
Post by: zuluwarrior on February 19, 2013, 04:08:16 PM
Just heard on the news 2 policemen was shot in San Fernando  .
Title: Re: 59 MURDERS IN 48 DAYS
Post by: D.H.W on February 19, 2013, 04:14:19 PM
Wtf!
Title: Re: 59 MURDERS IN 48 DAYS
Post by: Socapro on February 19, 2013, 06:11:00 PM
Just heard on the news 2 policemen was shot in San Fernando  .
So police getting shot now!
I won't be surprised if these clueless people press the panic button again and call another SOE as it has been their only temporarily effect crime reduction measure so far since thay have been in power.
Title: Re: 59 MURDERS IN 48 DAYS
Post by: just cool on February 19, 2013, 07:19:55 PM
I joined in that chorus calling for Martin Joseph to go as I did for Gary Hunt as Sports Minister. Time would reveal that I was wrong on both counts as these men proved to have more class and professionalism than their successors from the UNC et al.

The flag imbroglio aside... I still don't understand the animus that was directed at Hunt. He was the ONLY Sports Minister to stand up to Jack Warner and the TTFF.  Is only now that Jack wash he hands that Anil trying to act like he find he balls.

...i'm talking about the vast majority of trinis who have no ties to trinbago.

FYI, just like america, most trini are not native to trinidad or have very little history there. for them trinidad was ah way for their parents to escape hardship from the smaller islands and have very little true affinity for the place.

Specious nonsense.
How so??

how many trinis could claim that they have more than 100 yrs of history and ancestral ties to trinidad other than pure blooded indians?

in the 1910s hispanic migrant workers came here to work the coco plantation in places like tamana, santa flora, rio claro, santa cruz and st joseph, around the same time the syrians and lebonese started coming in the hundreds,

then the grenadians, the mertiniqans, vincentions, st lucians started coming to trinidad seeking employment bc of the industrial south land that had newly joined the industrial revolution. T&T went from a mild plantocracy to the industrial giants of the caribbean basin in the 1920s.

soon after the bajans start arriving in their numbers, amongst the migrants were also "black americans" who worked in the oil fields. we also saw a resergence of grenadians and vincentions in the 50s and 60s after independence making their way to trinidad seeking employment opportunity.

sorry to break it to you but when the british took trinidad from the french and the spaniards there were ah little more than 30,000 ppl in total on the island and half were slaves.

the british then reached out to other capitalist (plantation owners) in the british and french west indies offering them land and tax incentives to come to trinidad and invest in the sugar cane industry.

my point being, while jamaica and barbados had hundreds of thousand of slaves, trinidad and guyana barely grossed around 10,000 slaves, and this only changed in the earl 1800s when after the british took trinidad from the spaniards, and plantation owners from the other colonies brought their labor force there, which still didn't amount to much,

and even after the abolition our population was scarce in comparison to even little barbados and tobago, it's only after the turn of the century did the population climbed, which obviously means that there was an influx into trinidad in the early 1900s, like i said before, jews, lebonese, chinese, syrians hispanics from vene and other caribbean islanders came in droves.

these ppl have less than a 100yrs history on the island, and they came there with their hand swinging looking for a better life, so what kind of affinity they have to trinidad? just look @ the indians, they were there the longest of most ppl who came there and even they have more affinity to india than trinidad.   
Title: Re: 59 MURDERS IN 48 DAYS
Post by: zuluwarrior on February 19, 2013, 09:34:52 PM
Today i was listening a radio talk show, a lady then a man called both of them very emotional, they was

 asking the listeners how long they are willing to go along with this government  and their non performance .

You could hear like the lady about to cry ,she was saying we have to stop them ,we must stop them they
are destroying our country.

I do not see this government lasting
5yrs either they call elections or the people would rise up and move them ,people cant take them any more .



 

Title: Re: 59 MURDERS IN 48 DAYS
Post by: D.H.W on February 19, 2013, 09:38:44 PM
Worse government evah!
Title: Re: 59 MURDERS IN 48 DAYS
Post by: Bakes on February 19, 2013, 10:17:20 PM
Crime is at an acceptable level.
Title: Re: 59 MURDERS IN 48 DAYS
Post by: Deeks on February 19, 2013, 10:20:44 PM
Allyuh really feel Kamla that stupid. Kamla eh Patrick. We will see this gov't thru 5 yrs. While allyuh think this is the "worse gov't" ever, the UNC supporters think she is the best thing that ever happen to TT. So ban allyuh belly and take the jammin. Like I said before I don't see any govt making a difference in the murder rate. Until the people of the areas affected take a stand, that is when we will see a change. I myself don't have any solutions. The people from the areas who wreaking havoc on they own  have no concience and  they will not listen to what you or I have to say. They will kill you. So let them dead fuss.
Title: Re: 59 MURDERS IN 48 DAYS
Post by: ZANDOLIE on February 19, 2013, 10:36:08 PM
And now for something completely different....



Robber killed with own gun during robbery
Published:
Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Derek Achong

From: www.guardian.co.tt

"A 25-year-old robber was shot and killed with his own gun during a botched robbery of a taxi driver and his passengers in Chaguanas yesterday afternoon. According to reports, shortly after midday Dereck Spencer, 37, of Couva, was plying his Nissan B14 car for hire between Couva and Chaguanas.
 

Spencer told police he picked up his wife and a male commuter in Couva and two more women in Chase Village. Spencer’s wife was seated in the front passenger seat while the man and the two women sat in the back seat.


As the car approached Edinburgh Village, the man drew a gun and threatened the two woman passengers who were in the back seat with him. He then robbed them of their cellphones and jewelry.


Police said the man then pointed the gun at Spencer’s wife at which point Spencer stopped the car, drew a small kitchen knife and began struggling with the robber for the gun. He later told police he kept the knife in the car for protection after he and his fellow taxi drivers were robbed several times in the past. 

 
During the struggle, investigators said, the gun went off, shooting the robber in his forehead. He died on the scene and was identified by his mother as Ibrahim Bourne, of Crown Street, Enterprise, Chaguanas. Bourne was well known to police and had a criminal record which included armed robberies.

 
Investigators found Bourne’s gun, which was taken to the Forensic Science Centre, St James, for ballistic testing to determine if the gun had been used in other shooting incidents in central Trinidad.

 
An autopsy will also be done on his body today. Spencer was questioned by investigators and was later released as police believe he acted in self-defence. Spencer, his wife and the other passengers escaped without physical injury but up to late last night were said to be still traumatised.
 

Senior Supt Deodath Doolarchan, Supt Johnny Abraham and Insp Wayne Lawrence visited the scene and are investigating. "

This robber performed a public service by shooting a criminal in the head. Talk about self-sacrifice!
Title: Re: 59 MURDERS IN 48 DAYS
Post by: Jah Gol on February 20, 2013, 12:15:16 AM
Allyuh really feel Kamla that stupid. Kamla eh Patrick. We will see this gov't thru 5 yrs. While allyuh think this is the "worse gov't" ever, the UNC supporters think she is the best thing that ever happen to TT. So ban allyuh belly and take the jammin. Like I said before I don't see any govt making a difference in the murder rate. Until the people of the areas affected take a stand, that is when we will see a change. I myself don't have any solutions. The people from the areas who wreaking havoc on they own  have no concience and  they will not listen to what you or I have to say. They will kill you. So let them dead fuss.
I listened to an interview with Karl Hudson Phillips a few months ago. He was asked his opinion about the section 34 fiasco and more specifically the government's reaction to it. He noted that for all of Manning's failings he did understand the moral duty the PM in the Westminster system has if faced with a massive loss of support and public dissent. That duty is to either resign or call an election. I don't want to misquote the gentleman but basically he was saying considering all that occurred and the subsequent protests and the vote of no confidence in parliament simply doesn't have the compulsion to do what is appropriate .
Title: Re: 59 MURDERS IN 48 DAYS
Post by: truetrini on February 20, 2013, 12:18:32 AM
fishes what was martin Joseph's cocoa in the sun?  I want to know... Thanks.

 Is the same cocoa all of them make tea from.
 Chinese  ( check out the inmates in the detention center)

He put them there or he ordered their release?  hmmmm.
Title: Re: 59 MURDERS IN 48 DAYS
Post by: fishs on February 20, 2013, 02:56:02 AM
fishes what was martin Joseph's cocoa in the sun?  I want to know... Thanks.

 Is the same cocoa all of them make tea from.
 Chinese  ( check out the inmates in the detention center)

He put them there or he ordered their release?  hmmmm.

There are no Chinese in there.
Title: Re: Jack Warner: a case of expanding the national security portfolio?
Post by: Brownsugar on February 20, 2013, 05:12:24 AM
61 now...is f**king 61 now!

Ah think is about 63 now including the police officer who was shot along with his colleague in the line of duty yesterday.  Look how them bandits dead cuz police eh taking that so.  Yuh doh kill Army and Police and get away just so, just so......
Title: Re: 59 MURDERS IN 48 DAYS
Post by: D.H.W on February 20, 2013, 05:34:44 AM
Add a officer to the list
Title: Re: 59 MURDERS IN 48 DAYS
Post by: pecan on February 20, 2013, 07:17:56 AM
The title of this thread need to be updated daily.
Title: Re: Jack Warner: a case of expanding the national security portfolio?
Post by: truetrini on February 20, 2013, 09:06:57 AM
Who set up the Lying Squad!
Title: Re: 59 MURDERS IN 48 DAYS
Post by: Socapro on February 20, 2013, 10:09:51 AM
And now for something completely different....



Robber killed with own gun during robbery
Published:
Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Derek Achong

From: www.guardian.co.tt

"A 25-year-old robber was shot and killed with his own gun during a botched robbery of a taxi driver and his passengers in Chaguanas yesterday afternoon. According to reports, shortly after midday Dereck Spencer, 37, of Couva, was plying his Nissan B14 car for hire between Couva and Chaguanas.
 

Spencer told police he picked up his wife and a male commuter in Couva and two more women in Chase Village. Spencer’s wife was seated in the front passenger seat while the man and the two women sat in the back seat.


As the car approached Edinburgh Village, the man drew a gun and threatened the two woman passengers who were in the back seat with him. He then robbed them of their cellphones and jewelry.


Police said the man then pointed the gun at Spencer’s wife at which point Spencer stopped the car, drew a small kitchen knife and began struggling with the robber for the gun. He later told police he kept the knife in the car for protection after he and his fellow taxi drivers were robbed several times in the past. 

 
During the struggle, investigators said, the gun went off, shooting the robber in his forehead. He died on the scene and was identified by his mother as Ibrahim Bourne, of Crown Street, Enterprise, Chaguanas. Bourne was well known to police and had a criminal record which included armed robberies.

 
Investigators found Bourne’s gun, which was taken to the Forensic Science Centre, St James, for ballistic testing to determine if the gun had been used in other shooting incidents in central Trinidad.

 
An autopsy will also be done on his body today. Spencer was questioned by investigators and was later released as police believe he acted in self-defence. Spencer, his wife and the other passengers escaped without physical injury but up to late last night were said to be still traumatised.
 

Senior Supt Deodath Doolarchan, Supt Johnny Abraham and Insp Wayne Lawrence visited the scene and are investigating. "

This robber performed a public service by shooting a criminal in the head. Talk about self-sacrifice!

I wouldn't class this one here as murder but more as accidental man slaughter or even self defence!  :beermug:
Title: Re: Jack Warner: a case of expanding the national security portfolio?
Post by: zuluwarrior on February 20, 2013, 10:11:30 AM


Mervin Cordner head of the X  NFS will be in i95fm Radio station today @ approx 3pm also UNC skippy will be their to defend Jack Warner  .

http://www.citadel.co.tt/istream/index.php?station=2




Title: Re: 59 MURDERS IN 48 DAYS
Post by: Bourbon on February 20, 2013, 12:14:33 PM
Allyuh really feel Kamla that stupid. Kamla eh Patrick. We will see this gov't thru 5 yrs. While allyuh think this is the "worse gov't" ever, the UNC supporters think she is the best thing that ever happen to TT. So ban allyuh belly and take the jammin. Like I said before I don't see any govt making a difference in the murder rate. Until the people of the areas affected take a stand, that is when we will see a change. I myself don't have any solutions. The people from the areas who wreaking havoc on they own  have no concience and  they will not listen to what you or I have to say. They will kill you. So let them dead fuss.
I listened to an interview with Karl Hudson Phillips a few months ago. He was asked his opinion about the section 34 fiasco and more specifically the government's reaction to it. He noted that for all of Manning's failings he did understand the moral duty the PM in the Westminster system has if faced with a massive loss of support and public dissent. That duty is to either resign or call an election. I don't want to misquote the gentleman but basically he was saying considering all that occurred and the subsequent protests and the vote of no confidence in parliament simply doesn't have the compulsion to do what is appropriate .

If they ever had that it wouldnt even have quarter of the comess it has had.
Title: Re: 59 MURDERS IN 48 DAYS
Post by: asylumseeker on February 20, 2013, 12:41:42 PM
The title of this thread need to be updated daily.

My thought exactly.
Title: Re: Jack Warner: a case of expanding the national security portfolio?
Post by: Brownsugar on February 20, 2013, 12:48:03 PM


Mervin Cordner head of the X  NFS will be in i95fm Radio station today @ approx 3pm also UNC skippy will be their to defend Jack Warner  .

http://www.citadel.co.tt/istream/index.php?station=2






Skippy??  Just when ah thought the circus ring was full..... ::) ::)
Title: Re: Jack Warner: a case of expanding the national security portfolio?
Post by: Tallman on February 20, 2013, 01:02:21 PM
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Title: Re: 59 MURDERS IN 48 DAYS
Post by: Socapro on February 20, 2013, 08:11:17 PM
The title of this thread need to be updated daily.

My thought exactly.
Okay I will update it! What are the current figures now?   :(
Title: Re: 59 MURDERS IN 48 DAYS
Post by: Michael-j on February 21, 2013, 04:29:06 AM
The title of this thread need to be updated daily.

My thought exactly.
Okay I will update it! What are the current figures now?   :(


66 in 52, I believe.
Title: Re: Jack Warner: a case of expanding the national security portfolio?
Post by: zuluwarrior on February 21, 2013, 04:46:43 AM


Eight vehicles leased to start new Flying Squad


Published:


Thursday, February 21, 2013



Anika Gumbs-Sandiford
 


Miscellaneous Marketing Ltd, a company that leases unmarked vehicles to the T&T Police Service, supplied eight vehicles to the secretly revived new Flying Squad so the unit could start work last year. Acting Commissioner of Police Stephen Williams yesterday confirmed that unmarked vehicles were leased from the company.
 
 
 
 
 
"We rent vehicles from numerous companies and Miscellaneous Marketing Ltd is one of those companies. The T&T Police Service owns marked and unmarked vehicles but we lease vehicles to supplement where we have shortages. I have nothing more to say on the matter," Williams said. Newly-appointed director of the National Security Operations Centre (NSOC) Garvin Heerah gave the go-ahead for the vehicles to be released to the unit.   
 
 
 
Whether Heerah was acting on his own when the lease agreement was made is unclear, given that the NSOC falls under the purview of the Ministry of National Security, which is headed by line minister Jack Warner. It is also uncertain whether Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar, who is head of the National Security Council, was aware of the arrangement.
 
 
 
Sources said Persad-Bissessar, who was due to return from a Caricom meeting in Haiti today, is expected to request a report on the matter. The vehicles leased to the New Flying Squad Investigations Unit (NFSIU) comprised four Nissan X-Trails, two Mitsubshi Tritons, a Nissan Cefiro and a panel van. Heerah is reported as saying the vehicles were loaned by a civilian. 
 
 
 
Investigations show the directors of Miscellaneous Marketing Ltd are Sham and Rachel Mohammed, of Temple Street, Duncan Village, San Fernando. The registered office of the company is listed as 12 Bootan Street, Don Miguel Road, San Juan. The company's profile at the Ministry of Legal Affairs registry in Port-of-Spain shows the company was incorporated on April 27, 2006.
 
 
 
When the T&T Guardian visited the company yesterday, a national security panel van was parked outside the building and there were marked and unmarked police cars on the compound. Asked if it was possible to speak to Mohammed, an employee who wished not to be identified said he had gone to a meeting at the Ministry of National Security. On Tuesday, Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley called on the PM to clear the air on the new Flying Squad.
 
 
 
Internal e-mails from the Ministry of National Security showed Heerah helped the unit find a base in Aranguez, though it was eventually set up at Factory Road, Golden Grove, Arouca. Warner has denied any knowledge of the unit operating and has requested a report from Heerah, who is expected to return to T&T tomorrow after attending a conference in Argentina.
 


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Title: Re: Jack Warner: a case of expanding the national security portfolio?
Post by: zuluwarrior on February 21, 2013, 05:15:47 AM


Ag CoP: Secret Flying Squad illegal



...I am no part of this covert operation


Published:


Sunday, February 3, 2013



Anika Gumbs-Sandiford
 









Acting Commissioner of Police (CoP) Stephen Williams








Acting Commissioner of Police (CoP) Stephen Williams has described the secretly revived Flying Squad as illegal. In an exclusive interview with the T&T Guardian on Friday, retired police inspector Mervyn Cordner claimed Minister of National Security Jack Warner approached him to head the covert unit.
 
 
 
But yesterday, Williams distanced himself, saying, “I can speak for myself and say that I, acting CoP Stephen Williams, am not aware of and am no part of this covert operation. “I, Stephen Williams, never met Mervyn Cordner. I am speaking for myself. “The information brought to my attention is a matter that raises great concern of whether there is an illegal group purporting to do legal things.
 
 
 
“I would like to give the public the assurance I am going to get to the bottom of what has been revealed. This matter will be immediately investigated. I am thankful this matter has been brought to my attention. Anything illegal, I have to investigate. I have to find out if this is a vigilante unit. I am extremely concerned.”
 
 
 
The Flying Squad, which was disbanded in the 1980s, was revived in July 2012 and has been working out of a building at Factory Road, Golden Grove, Arouca. In a candid interview on Friday, Cordner said a crime plan was submitted to Warner and a budget of $180 million requested to carry out operations for a period of two years.
 
 
 
However, Cordner said, the lack of funding has stumped the work of the unit. The Flying Squad, according to Cordner, comprises 75 retired officers who previously worked at various state enterprises that include the police, prison service, Immigration Division, Telecommunication Authority of T&T and the T&T Electricity Commission.
 
 
 
Reiterating his concern over the revelations, Williams said, “A Flying Squad is a law-enforcement unit set up for a particular purpose of high-activity enforcement in T&T. “I cannot speak for Cordner’s claim. What I can say is that I have never engaged Cordner and 75 other people.
 
 
 
“I have never been part of a meeting with Minister of National Security and Cordner. Any meeting Cordner would have had with anybody, it was not with me. You need to speak to the relevant minister and Cordner,” Williams stressed.
 
 
 
 
 
Covert operations and the Ministry of National Security
 Williams said the setting up of such a unit should be endorsed by the commissioner of police, but he had not given any such authorisation. He pointed out that historically, covert operations functioned under the Ministry of National Security. Among them, he said, were the Strategic Intelligence Agency, Strategic Service Agency and the Special Anti-Crime Unit of T&T (SAUTT).
 
 
 
“It is normal for the Ministry of National Security to have covert operations, but when you are dealing with law enforcement, those people operate under the authority of the CoP. When SAUTT operated, the officers who were assigned to SAUTT operated under the authority of the CoP,” Williams said.
 
 
 
SAUTT was established in 2003 and disbanded in August 2011 by the People’s Partnership Government. Williams said he learned of the Flying Squad from the story in yesterday’s T&T Guardian. “I will admit it is the first time I have heard of this covert operation headed by Mervyn Cordner.” He dismissed Cordner’s claim that the unit had been instrumental in solving six murders. “That is a stupid story,” he commented.
 
 
 
“Cordner is not contributing directly or indirectly to the homicide bureau of the Police Service of T&T.” Cordner had said information gathered by the unit was passed on to various police divisions to assist in the fight against crime.
 
 
 
 
 
Commenting on the developments yesterday, head of the Police Complaints Authority Gillian Lucky said any entity dealing with law enforcement must work within a legal framework. “Any entity that is involved in law enforcement must be structured in such a way that there is total accountability and transparency.
 
 
 
“One must remember that when SAUTT was established, a major complaint made by the then Opposition was that SAUTT was operating outside of a legal framework,” Lucky pointed out. She said any organisation, institution or department involved in investigating highly sensitive matters or engaged in any kind of law-enforcement activity, must work within the parameters of the law and must account to an independent entity or authority.
 
 
 
Lucky added that the public was entitled to know of the existence of such an entity. “I am well aware that when conducting investigations there is a need to be discreet,” Lucky added. “I am not saying the entity is acting outside the law, but there seem to be more questions than answers.”
 
 
 
 
 
Cordner: My informants have information on Mohammed
 Cordner also said an informant is probing Dr Hafizool Ali Mohammed, a member of the commission of enquiry into the 1990 coup attempt whose academic qualifications have come under scrutiny. Among numerous other academic credentials, Mohammed said he has a master’s degree in military science from the United States Army Command and General Staff College in Fort Leavenworth, Kansas.
 
 
 
His curriculum vitae does not state what year he graduated. His master’s thesis is not published on the college’s Web site, unlike those of fellow graduates, such as retired Major Gen Edmund Dillon, who graduated in 2001. According to the Web site, the last T&T national to graduate from the university, in 2009, at the rank of Lt Col, was Rodney Smart.
 
 
 
Cordner said the question must be asked who was responsible for bringing Mohammed to T&T. “Somebody brought him,” Cordner pointed out. Mohammed expressed a keen interest in assisting with national security measures in T&T and had contacted Warner to say so. He also made contact with Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Dookeran via e-mail in 2010.
 
 
 
The Government is expected to make a decision next week on Mohammed’s status as a commissioner in the enquiry into the 1990 coup attempt. Telephone calls to Warner went unanswered yesterday.
 


Title: Re: Jack Warner: a case of expanding the national security portfolio?
Post by: Jah Gol on February 21, 2013, 06:15:22 AM
Funny how the report in which Williams gives assurances that he would get to bottom of this 'immediately' was published on the 3rd, so I presume said it on the 2nd . Well after almost 3 weeks he has no more to say on the matter.

Trinidad and Tobago is a proper third world country.
Title: Re: 59 MURDERS IN 48 DAYS
Post by: lefty on February 21, 2013, 06:25:16 AM
 um what is d worst average murder rate we ever had.................we might have a new record soon...or a SOE >:(

ah mean:
1. why we buildin more stations when d police should be on the streets 24/7 >:( develop a centrally managed dispatch and patrol roster.....dat cyah be so frickin hard

2. why yuh still seein police cars parked under and outside private residence. whey d lo-jack. >:( , stop dat shit and punish who doing it

3. why we not expanding the police investigative capacity. >:( , while it not always possible.....I sure it have instances where cases can be built without witnesses. is jus dat dem fellas and ladies eh know how

4. we still doh have no criminal DNA database >:( or  properly enforcible legislation for dat matter :cursing:

ah mean it so hard to get police to do dey wuk right...is we payin dem.........no.......it jus dat we have dis idea dat facilitating nonsense is an accepted part of "we culture" dat should be defended at all cost......alyuh remember anytime Gibbs did move to cut out any nonsense .....Anand Ramasar would kick ah stink talkin shit bout gibbs didn' understand "d culture"
Title: Re: 59 MURDERS IN 48 DAYS
Post by: weary1969 on February 21, 2013, 09:12:32 AM
Allyuh really feel Kamla that stupid. Kamla eh Patrick. We will see this gov't thru 5 yrs. While allyuh think this is the "worse gov't" ever, the UNC supporters think she is the best thing that ever happen to TT. So ban allyuh belly and take the jammin. Like I said before I don't see any govt making a difference in the murder rate. Until the people of the areas affected take a stand, that is when we will see a change. I myself don't have any solutions. The people from the areas who wreaking havoc on they own  have no concience and  they will not listen to what you or I have to say. They will kill you. So let them dead fuss.
I listened to an interview with Karl Hudson Phillips a few months ago. He was asked his opinion about the section 34 fiasco and more specifically the government's reaction to it. He noted that for all of Manning's failings he did understand the moral duty the PM in the Westminster system has if faced with a massive loss of support and public dissent. That duty is to either resign or call an election. I don't want to misquote the gentleman but basically he was saying considering all that occurred and the subsequent protests and the vote of no confidence in parliament simply doesn't have the compulsion to do what is appropriate .

I have been saying that for months. Patos work the Westminister to his disadvantage.
Title: Re: 59 MURDERS IN 48 DAYS
Post by: Jah Gol on February 21, 2013, 09:15:50 AM
Allyuh really feel Kamla that stupid. Kamla eh Patrick. We will see this gov't thru 5 yrs. While allyuh think this is the "worse gov't" ever, the UNC supporters think she is the best thing that ever happen to TT. So ban allyuh belly and take the jammin. Like I said before I don't see any govt making a difference in the murder rate. Until the people of the areas affected take a stand, that is when we will see a change. I myself don't have any solutions. The people from the areas who wreaking havoc on they own  have no concience and  they will not listen to what you or I have to say. They will kill you. So let them dead fuss.
I listened to an interview with Karl Hudson Phillips a few months ago. He was asked his opinion about the section 34 fiasco and more specifically the government's reaction to it. He noted that for all of Manning's failings he did understand the moral duty the PM in the Westminster system has if faced with a massive loss of support and public dissent. That duty is to either resign or call an election. I don't want to misquote the gentleman but basically he was saying considering all that occurred and the subsequent protests and the vote of no confidence in parliament simply doesn't have the compulsion to do what is appropriate .

I have been saying that for months. Patos work the Westminister to his disadvantage.
What a great dictator.
Title: Re: 59 MURDERS IN 48 DAYS
Post by: oconnorg on February 21, 2013, 09:40:59 AM
be fair guys.. PPEE doing their best...  :bs:
Title: Re: 59 MURDERS IN 48 DAYS
Post by: weary1969 on February 21, 2013, 11:10:27 AM
be fair guys.. PPEE doing their best...  :bs:

AA yuh postin 4 lent?
Title: Re: Jack Warner: a case of expanding the national security portfolio?
Post by: weary1969 on February 21, 2013, 11:11:32 AM
Funny how the report in which Williams giges assurances thatbhe would get to bottom of this 'immediately'was published on the 3rd, so I presume said it on the 2nd . Well after almost 3 weeks he has no more to say own the matter.

Trinidad and Tobago is a proper third world country.

Headin 4 d 4th world under these jokers watch
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 66 MURDERS IN 52 DAYS!!
Post by: Observer on February 21, 2013, 02:48:24 PM
um what is d worst average murder rate we ever had.................we might have a new record soon...or a SOE >:(

ah mean:
1. why we buildin more stations when d police should be on the streets 24/7 >:( develop a centrally managed dispatch and patrol roster.....dat cyah be so frickin hard

2. why yuh still seein police cars parked under and outside private residence. whey d lo-jack. >:( , stop dat shit and punish who doing it

3. why we not expanding the police investigative capacity. >:( , while it not always possible.....I sure it have instances where cases can be built without witnesses. is jus dat dem fellas and ladies eh know how

4. we still doh have no criminal DNA database >:( or  properly enforcible legislation for dat matter :cursing:

ah mean it so hard to get police to do dey wuk right...is we payin dem.........no.......it jus dat we have dis idea dat facilitating nonsense is an accepted part of "we culture" dat should be defended at all cost......alyuh remember anytime Gibbs did move to cut out any nonsense .....Anand Ramasar would kick ah stink talkin shit bout gibbs didn' understand "d culture"

Maybe somebody paying them more  ::)
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 66 MURDERS IN 52 DAYS!!
Post by: Jah Gol on February 21, 2013, 05:13:57 PM
TV6 just showed an officer putting a decapitated head in a bag. The head was found on a table outside a bar.

70
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 66 MURDERS IN 52 DAYS!!
Post by: D.H.W on February 21, 2013, 05:31:46 PM
Dexter.
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 66 MURDERS IN 52 DAYS!!
Post by: Michael-j on February 21, 2013, 05:42:19 PM
And it continues....now 70 in 52.
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 66 MURDERS IN 52 DAYS!!
Post by: Michael-j on February 21, 2013, 05:43:51 PM
TV6 just showed an officer putting a decapitated head in a bag. The head was found on a table outside a bar.

70

....and the body was found two miles away...
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 66 MURDERS IN 52 DAYS!!
Post by: Socapro on February 21, 2013, 07:51:02 PM
And it continues....now 70 in 52.
Yuh serious? How it jump from 66 to 70 in one day with one more murder? Did I miss something?  :-\
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 66 MURDERS IN 52 DAYS!!
Post by: Socapro on February 21, 2013, 07:55:19 PM
Question!!

If these murders knew that they would be dead within 24 hours of committing a murder (executed by a death squad), would they still commit that murder?

Think about it!   :thinking:
Title: Re: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 66 MURDERS IN 52 DAYS!!
Post by: D.H.W on February 21, 2013, 08:01:17 PM
And it continues....now 70 in 52.
Yuh serious? How it jump from 66 to 70 in one day with one more murder? Did I miss something?  :-

Man get beheaded, 2 shot and one woman killed at home.
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 66 MURDERS IN 52 DAYS!!
Post by: Socapro on February 21, 2013, 08:13:21 PM
And it continues....now 70 in 52.
Yuh serious? How it jump from 66 to 70 in one day with one more murder? Did I miss something?  :-

Man get beheaded, 2 shot and one woman killed at home.
Oh shit! I missed watching the 7'oclock news this evening! 

This is crazy!! :o
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 66 MURDERS IN 52 DAYS!!
Post by: D.H.W on February 21, 2013, 08:17:15 PM
The sick news people even show the man picking up the head off the table. I really wonder if they have nobody telling them certain things should be at least censored, especially when children watching the news too. I notice is only tv6 like showing them morbid stuff, like they does get off from seeing them thing.
Title: Re: Jack Warner: a case of expanding the national security portfolio?
Post by: zuluwarrior on February 21, 2013, 08:23:45 PM
Hear how bad this shit is , the minister of national insecurity and the ag commissoner do not know there was a flying squad that flew through trinbago for six months .

 I find that is so strange .
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 70 MURDERS IN 52 DAYS!!
Post by: D.H.W on February 21, 2013, 08:31:37 PM
State of emergency indefinitely. I calling it now.
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 70 MURDERS IN 52 DAYS!!
Post by: asylumseeker on February 21, 2013, 08:38:30 PM
 :idea:
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 70 MURDERS IN 52 DAYS!!
Post by: Jah Gol on February 21, 2013, 11:25:06 PM
Question!!

If these murders knew that they would be dead within 24 hours of committing a murder (executed by a death squad), would they still commit that murder?

Think about it!   :thinking:
We need more civilization and justice not less.
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 70 MURDERS IN 52 DAYS!!
Post by: Socapro on February 22, 2013, 12:27:16 AM
Question!!

If these murders knew that they would be dead within 24 hours of committing a murder (executed by a death squad), would they still commit that murder?

Think about it!   :thinking:
We need more civilization and justice not less.
Are you trying to say that taking out these murderers within 24 hours and saving the taxpayers money won't be justice?!  ???

I bet you after the first couple of take outs that the murders would grind to a sudden hault and we will have the lowest monthly murder rate in decades!! Want to bet?!
Title: Re: Jack Warner: a case of expanding the national security portfolio?
Post by: truetrini on February 22, 2013, 12:54:46 AM
16-14 in Barbados   DLP declared the winner, and so there will be no change in Government!
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 70 MURDERS IN 52 DAYS!!
Post by: TdotTrini on February 22, 2013, 08:14:16 AM
Question!!

If these murders knew that they would be dead within 24 hours of committing a murder (executed by a death squad), would they still commit that murder?

Think about it!   :thinking:
We need more civilization and justice not less.
Are you trying to say that taking out these murderers within 24 hours and saving the taxpayers money won't be justice?!  ???

I bet you after the first couple of take outs that the murders would grind to a sudden hault and we will have the lowest monthly murder rate in decades!! Want to bet?!

Vigilante justice comes at a high price, to the executioner, society, and to innocent parties who fall mistakenly fall victim to it, and is limited in the benefits it can provide.

http://www.econgirl.com/1/post/2012/07/the-ethics-of-vigilante-justice.html
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 70 MURDERS IN 52 DAYS!!
Post by: Jah Gol on February 22, 2013, 09:26:28 AM
Question!!

If these murders knew that they would be dead within 24 hours of committing a murder (executed by a death squad), would they still commit that murder?

Think about it!   :thinking:
We need more civilization and justice not less.
Are you trying to say that taking out these murderers within 24 hours and saving the taxpayers money won't be justice?!  ???

I bet you after the first couple of take outs that the murders would grind to a sudden hault and we will have the lowest monthly murder rate in decades!! Want to bet?!
What you are talking about is natural justice , its what savage man does. It cannot be controlled and will invariably be abused. Ask yourself a few questions . How do you identify who actually did it in the first place ? Will we use hearsay or legitimate investigation.  Ask yourself what body will lead a squad that actually goes against the principles of the constitution itself.
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 70 MURDERS IN 52 DAYS!!
Post by: Brownsugar on February 22, 2013, 06:47:54 PM
But how the Express could print this blasphemy??!!  As far as I hear de man "hard wukkin!!"   :-X :-X   :bs: :bs:

The myth of the 'action man'
By Irene Medina Associate Editor



Seven months ago, he was appointed Minister of National Security by Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar, who then endorsed him as a "man of action" who "would make a difference" in the fight against crime.  Last year ended with 352 murders, according to police statistics, and for 2013 so far, there have been 68 killings in 52 days.

"Action Jack", as he was called following his June 21, 2012 appointment because of his perceived track record for getting things done, now presides over an escalating crime situation that already has begun to affect the country's revenue significantly, according to the Prime Minister.  Persad-Bissessar told a Caricom security meeting in Haiti last Monday that crime was costing Trinidad and Tobago more than $200 million a year in tourism revenue.  Warner has admitted that the reason he did not attend the security meeting with the Prime Minister was because crime was not under control. According to him, "I wanted to stay here to keep my finger and my pulse on the crime."  He was at the time visiting the home of slain police officer Sgt Hayden Manwaring in Couva on Wednesday.  Manwaring was shot with his own gun during a confrontation with a robbery suspect on Cipero Street in San Fernando last Tuesday afternoon while his partner, PC Nicholas Phillip, was also shot during the incident.

As he has promised on numerous occasions since assuming office, Warner told the media on Wednesday that he would "bring this state of mayhem to an end...", predicting "police and law enforcement agencies in the country shall overcome".
Persad-Bissessar's announcement in Haiti may not have been a direct criticism of Warner since she had expressed full confidence in Warner's ability to "be the best crime-buster" during her last Cabinet reshuffle in which she fired his predecessor, former Brigadier John Sandy, who despite his military background, some felt, had failed to make any significant dent in the crime situation.

During her address at the Diplomatic Centre in St Ann's at that time, Persad-Bissessar told the country: "Our priority is on crime; it is my respectful view that Mr Warner is a person of action, and he will be very useful in the Ministry of National Security and, indeed, as I said, I listened to many persons in coming to conclusions in making decisions, and so based on conversations I had with various persons, both against the Government and for the Government, we were able to ask Mr Warner to serve in that position."
Sandy, like former People's National Movement (PNM) minister of National Security Martin Joseph, had come under sustained criticism for failing to stem the crime wave in the country.

Warner told the Chamber of Commerce last July that he had given himself a six-month deadline to be held accountable for making a reduction in crime.  At a breakfast meeting at its Westmoorings headquarters, Warner told the business sector, "If in a year—no—make that if in six months, you call me back and there is no marked decrease in crime, then you can hold me accountable."  At that meeting, he warned the Chamber not to "believe that there is any Superman to solve crime. No demigod…no miracle man that would come walking through the desert like Moses and wave his staff, and zap! Everything is okay. That can't happen!"
He said eradicating crime was everybody's business, and there was no such thing as Warner's crime plan. He also promised to hold meetings with former National Security ministers and with all stakeholders, including the Chief Justice. Whether these meetings took place is not known.
The Express was unable to reach chamber president Andrew Sabga yesterday for a comment on Warner's performance to date.

One month following Warner's appointment, Cabinet approved $289.6 million to boost the ministry's continued fight against crime.  At a post-Cabinet meeting at the Diplomatic Centre on August 17, Warner said the money would be used to hire more manpower, modernise the response technology and enhance the police fleet of vehicles. He said $60 million would be spent on the full-time establishment of 5,000 special reserve police (SRP) and $5.1 million to establish police community support group officers throughout the nine divisions of the country.

He added that $164.5 million was to be used to acquire new technology to detect crime and improve the E999 rapid-response system while another $300 million was targeted to purchase 300 vehicles. He had also promised that his new crime plan was "in the works", adding, "Let me advise you once again, that you shall feel the effects of the plan; when the plan is implemented, it shall be swift, it shall be surgical, it shall be clinical, and this country shall begin a new era of safety."

One of the actions Warner took in his crime fight was to place a ban on crime information coming out of police stations. In October 2012, the Express reported that Warner told reporters during a lunch break of the budget debate in Parliament, "With immediate effect, I have decided that no figures of any kind would be given anywhere for any absence of murders."  He said it was felt that if the media stopped reporting crime, this could lead to a reduction in the crime rate. Crime statistics, however, are still available to the media.

Warner also disclosed that part of his crime plan featured "close to 100" initiatives, which included the Hoop for Life and a job fair at the St Paul Street Community Centre in October.
He had also indicated last July that a Tobago-specific crime plan was in the works to deal with crime against tourists, but the Express could find no evidence this was in fact done.


http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/The_myth_of_the__action_man_-192409781.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/The_myth_of_the__action_man_-192409781.html)
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 70 MURDERS IN 52 DAYS!!
Post by: D.H.W on February 23, 2013, 01:09:48 AM
Ent he wanted the work bad. Let him take the flak now
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 70 MURDERS IN 52 DAYS!!
Post by: Michael-j on February 23, 2013, 07:16:42 PM
Updated score: 74 in 54.
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 70 MURDERS IN 52 DAYS!!
Post by: Socapro on February 24, 2013, 12:55:08 AM
Updated score: 74 in 54.
Okay thanks!  :(
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 74 MURDERS IN 54 DAYS!!
Post by: Brownsugar on February 24, 2013, 12:16:15 PM
Updated score: 74 in 54.

And de end of the innings no where in sight......*sigh*   :'( :'(
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 74 MURDERS IN 54 DAYS!!
Post by: D.H.W on February 24, 2013, 12:59:52 PM
Police kills 4 today drunk driving. 2 children. Mother and another lady. Manslaughter!
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 74 MURDERS IN 54 DAYS!!
Post by: weary1969 on February 24, 2013, 01:19:40 PM
Police kills 4 today drunk driving. 2 children. Mother and another lady. Manslaughter!

Inquest will hv 2 confirm that it is murder but feel free 2add d 1 from John John
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 74 MURDERS IN 54 DAYS!!
Post by: ZANDOLIE on February 24, 2013, 05:59:43 PM
Police kills 4 today drunk driving. 2 children. Mother and another lady. Manslaughter!

sickening
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 74 MURDERS IN 54 DAYS!!
Post by: ZANDOLIE on February 24, 2013, 06:01:33 PM
does anyone know whether there is a citizen's forum or some other public organization that tackles the issue of violent crime and can place pressure on politicians and police?
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 74 MURDERS IN 54 DAYS!!
Post by: Socapro on February 24, 2013, 06:18:00 PM
Police kills 4 today drunk driving. 2 children. Mother and another lady. Manslaughter!

Inquest will hv 2 confirm that it is murder but feel free 2add d 1 from John John
I can't keep up, so how much is the figure now?  :-[
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 74 MURDERS IN 54 DAYS!!
Post by: Brownsugar on February 24, 2013, 06:41:29 PM
Police kills 4 today drunk driving. 2 children. Mother and another lady. Manslaughter!

Inquest will hv 2 confirm that it is murder but feel free 2add d 1 from John John
I can't keep up, so how much is the figure now?  :-[

Yuh count the fella who got shot in Maraval last night??.....
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 74 MURDERS IN 54 DAYS!!
Post by: weary1969 on February 24, 2013, 06:52:39 PM
Police kills 4 today drunk driving. 2 children. Mother and another lady. Manslaughter!

Inquest will hv 2 confirm that it is murder but feel free 2add d 1 from John John
I can't keep up, so how much is the figure now?  :-[

Yuh count the fella who got shot in Maraval last night??.....

Last nite yuh late it have a yute in Lav.
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 74 MURDERS IN 54 DAYS!!
Post by: weary1969 on February 24, 2013, 10:13:03 PM
Boy, 16, shot dead
...Gunmen tell little brother to run

By Gyasi Gonzales
 
A TEENAGER on his way to share Sunday lunch with his mother was shot dead in John John, East Port of Spain, yesterday.

The victim was identified by police as Shakeel Aberdeen, 16.
Police said Aberdeen and his 12-year-old brother were walking through a track in Africa, John John when four men armed with guns approached them from behind around 11 a.m.
The killers told the younger brother to run home before shooting Aberdeen to the back of his head and back, police said. Aberdeen died on the spot.
Police investigators were unable to give a motive for the killing.
Aberdeen's mother, Sherma Critchlow, who arrived at the murder scene, said her children were staying by a relative a few houses lower down from where she lives.

"For no reason they just shot him in his head and his back and the thing is he was coming up by me for a meal but if ah know that this would have happened to him I would have come to him," she said.
Police officers who were at the scene of the mutiple fatality accident in Sea Lots had to respond to the murder scene to preserve any evidence.

Detectives of the Homicide Bureau and officers of the Crime Scene Unit subsequently arrived on the scene and Aberdeen's body was taken to the Port of Spain Mortuary.
Homicide Bureau officers are continuing investigations.

The murder toll stood at 73 up to last night according to an Express tally, while the murder toll for the comparable period last year stood at 60.
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 74 MURDERS IN 54 DAYS!!
Post by: Daft Trini on February 24, 2013, 10:27:25 PM
Boy, 16, shot dead
...Gunmen tell little brother to run

By Gyasi Gonzales
 
A TEENAGER on his way to share Sunday lunch with his mother was shot dead in John John, East Port of Spain, yesterday.

The victim was identified by police as Shakeel Aberdeen, 16.
Police said Aberdeen and his 12-year-old brother were walking through a track in Africa, John John when four men armed with guns approached them from behind around 11 a.m.
The killers told the younger brother to run home before shooting Aberdeen to the back of his head and back, police said. Aberdeen died on the spot.
Police investigators were unable to give a motive for the killing.
Aberdeen's mother, Sherma Critchlow, who arrived at the murder scene, said her children were staying by a relative a few houses lower down from where she lives.

"For no reason they just shot him in his head and his back and the thing is he was coming up by me for a meal but if ah know that this would have happened to him I would have come to him," she said.
Police officers who were at the scene of the mutiple fatality accident in Sea Lots had to respond to the murder scene to preserve any evidence.

Detectives of the Homicide Bureau and officers of the Crime Scene Unit subsequently arrived on the scene and Aberdeen's body was taken to the Port of Spain Mortuary.
Homicide Bureau officers are continuing investigations.

The murder toll stood at 73 up to last night according to an Express tally, while the murder toll for the comparable period last year stood at 60.

WTF did I just read that.... what going on in this place?
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 74 MURDERS IN 54 DAYS!!
Post by: Jah Gol on February 24, 2013, 11:50:12 PM
I saw a picture of the Sea Lots crowd after the accident. It looked like BBC Africa was covering another conflict.
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 75 MURDERS IN 55 DAYS!!
Post by: asylumseeker on February 25, 2013, 06:27:37 AM
I saw a picture of the Sea Lots crowd after the accident. It looked like BBC Africa was covering another conflict.

http://www.youtube.com/v/41Ad_NlJdlc&feature=player_embedded#!

(http://www.guardian.co.tt/sites/default/files/field/image/Sea%20lots.png)

(http://ttnewsflash.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/riot-police1.jpg)
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 75 MURDERS IN 55 DAYS!!
Post by: ProudTrinbagonian on February 25, 2013, 07:57:13 AM
What is the local community leaders doing about this?
No Government can help these people yes.

It getting to be worse and worse, a damn slum.  And the spillage leaking into other areas.
My own family almost lose he life, when a man tell him the same "run" statement.  Taking a taxi home, he end up getting rob and left with a broken arm.  Family run, he a track boy and bad luck he trip.  That's when these a$$holes catch him.  It's luck he not dead. 

These criminals just Stink. Ah wish them death

Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 75 MURDERS IN 55 DAYS!!
Post by: Jah Gol on February 25, 2013, 10:24:34 AM
I saw a picture of the Sea Lots crowd after the accident. It looked like BBC Africa was covering another conflict.

http://www.youtube.com/v/41Ad_NlJdlc&feature=player_embedded#!
I had tears in my eyes watching this video. Its easy to jump to conclusions about the situation since these communities have a reputation for antisocial behaviour. Upon closer examination I can empathize with the residence on human level. All things considered the spontaneous protest and the disruption caused are forgivable to say the least.

Some people think they ought to be shot in the head. That's where we are in T&T.
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 75 MURDERS IN 55 DAYS!!
Post by: Socapro on February 25, 2013, 01:30:40 PM
I saw a picture of the Sea Lots crowd after the accident. It looked like BBC Africa was covering another conflict.

http://www.youtube.com/v/41Ad_NlJdlc&feature=player_embedded#!
I had tears in my eyes watching this video. Its easy to jump to conclusions about the situation since these communities have a reputation for antisocial behaviour. Upon closer examination I can empathize with the residence on human level. All things considered the spontaneous protest and the disruption caused are forgivable to say the least.

Some people think they ought to be shot in the head. That's where we are in T&T.
:beermug:
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 75 MURDERS IN 55 DAYS!!
Post by: asylumseeker on February 25, 2013, 02:26:56 PM
What is the local community leaders doing about this?
No Government can help these people yes.

Quote
It getting to be worse and worse, a damn slum.  And the spillage leaking into other areas.
My own family almost lose he life, when a man tell him the same "run" statement.  Taking a taxi home, he end up getting rob and left with a broken arm.  Family run, he a track boy and bad luck he trip.  That's when these a$$holes catch him.  It's luck he not dead. 

These criminals just Stink. Ah wish them death


The prevailing fallacy in the nation is that the "slum" has geographical boundaries. The better view is that the "slum" is collectively the entire country.

Everyone will suffer as a consequence.

Collective future, collective fate.

The faster all citizens wrap their individual heads around that proposition, the better equipped we'll be to address this social decay.
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 75 MURDERS IN 55 DAYS!!
Post by: Socapro on February 25, 2013, 03:33:17 PM
What is the local community leaders doing about this?
No Government can help these people yes.

Quote
It getting to be worse and worse, a damn slum.  And the spillage leaking into other areas.
My own family almost lose he life, when a man tell him the same "run" statement.  Taking a taxi home, he end up getting rob and left with a broken arm.  Family run, he a track boy and bad luck he trip.  That's when these a$$holes catch him.  It's luck he not dead. 

These criminals just Stink. Ah wish them death


The prevailing fallacy in the nation is that the "slum" has geographical boundaries. The better view is that the "slum" is collectively the entire country.

Everyone will suffer as a consequence.

Collective future, collective fate.

The faster all citizens wrap their individual heads around that proposition, the better equipped we'll be to address this social decay.
:beermug: :beermug:
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 75 MURDERS IN 55 DAYS!!
Post by: weary1969 on February 25, 2013, 08:22:56 PM
What is the local community leaders doing about this?
No Government can help these people yes.

Quote
It getting to be worse and worse, a damn slum.  And the spillage leaking into other areas.
My own family almost lose he life, when a man tell him the same "run" statement.  Taking a taxi home, he end up getting rob and left with a broken arm.  Family run, he a track boy and bad luck he trip.  That's when these a$$holes catch him.  It's luck he not dead. 

These criminals just Stink. Ah wish them death


The prevailing fallacy in the nation is that the "slum" has geographical boundaries. The better view is that the "slum" is collectively the entire country.

Everyone will suffer as a consequence.

Collective future, collective fate.

The faster all citizens wrap their individual heads around that proposition, the better equipped we'll be to address this social decay.

 :beermug: CO-SIGNNNNN
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 75 MURDERS IN 55 DAYS!!
Post by: ZANDOLIE on February 25, 2013, 08:45:33 PM
What is the local community leaders doing about this?
No Government can help these people yes.

Quote
It getting to be worse and worse, a damn slum.  And the spillage leaking into other areas.
My own family almost lose he life, when a man tell him the same "run" statement.  Taking a taxi home, he end up getting rob and left with a broken arm.  Family run, he a track boy and bad luck he trip.  That's when these a$$holes catch him.  It's luck he not dead. 

These criminals just Stink. Ah wish them death


The prevailing fallacy in the nation is that the "slum" has geographical boundaries. The better view is that the "slum" is collectively the entire country.

Everyone will suffer as a consequence.

Collective future, collective fate.

The faster all citizens wrap their individual heads around that proposition, the better equipped we'll be to address this social decay.

sounds good, but how exactly do we convince all citizens to wrap their head around this. what tangible incentive will be offered up to those outside or inside the 'geographic boundries' to address social decay...and what do we do while we are waiting for everyone to be convinced?
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 75 MURDERS IN 55 DAYS!!
Post by: elan on February 25, 2013, 09:13:25 PM
What is the local community leaders doing about this?
No Government can help these people yes.

Quote
It getting to be worse and worse, a damn slum.  And the spillage leaking into other areas.
My own family almost lose he life, when a man tell him the same "run" statement.  Taking a taxi home, he end up getting rob and left with a broken arm.  Family run, he a track boy and bad luck he trip.  That's when these a$$holes catch him.  It's luck he not dead. 

These criminals just Stink. Ah wish them death


The prevailing fallacy in the nation is that the "slum" has geographical boundaries. The better view is that the "slum" is collectively the entire country.

Everyone will suffer as a consequence.

Collective future, collective fate.

The faster all citizens wrap their individual heads around that proposition, the better equipped we'll be to address this social decay.

sounds good, but how exactly do we convince all citizens to wrap their head around this. what tangible incentive will be offered up to those outside or inside the 'geographic boundries' to address social decay...and what do we do while we are waiting for everyone to be convinced?


They can keep their head in the sand, because the decay has been affecting them for a long time now. Whenever you have to think about whether you can wear your new gold chain in town or not, that you have to roll up your window in traffic, that you have to scan the area carefully before you use an atm, or that you need to go jogging before it gets dark. The decay is there and everyone believe it's not their problem, that it's "them" and not "we". But we rather hide than address the sickness.
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 75 MURDERS IN 55 DAYS!!
Post by: elan on February 25, 2013, 09:28:43 PM
I saw a picture of the Sea Lots crowd after the accident. It looked like BBC Africa was covering another conflict.

http://www.youtube.com/v/41Ad_NlJdlc&feature=player_embedded#!

(http://www.guardian.co.tt/sites/default/files/field/image/Sea%20lots.png)

(http://ttnewsflash.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/riot-police1.jpg)

This video is level  :bs:   this is something that needs to change. The media needs to develop some type of morality, a different level  responsibility to the citizenry. Why show the people dead lying on the side of the road o national tv. I think it is tasteless, morally wrong and lack any responsibility in bringing information to the public.

The emergency responders also need to do a (99% increase) much better job of securing crime scenes, accident scenes and disasters. They do a poor job of keeping the public away, minimizing and debriefing the media. These things need drastic improvement.
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 75 MURDERS IN 55 DAYS!!
Post by: Bourbon on February 25, 2013, 09:36:25 PM


The emergency responders also need to do a (99% increase) much better job of securing crime scenes, accident scenes and disasters. They do a poor job of keeping the public away, minimizing and debriefing the media. These things need drastic improvement.


So...how yuh suggest that they do dat now? Cuz maybe they attempted to and it was seen as sinister.
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 75 MURDERS IN 55 DAYS!!
Post by: Deeks on February 25, 2013, 10:16:55 PM
While half the population has no sympathy or empathy for Morvant/Laventille people, I cannot see how they can brush over the incident that cause the riot. A policeman(guardian of society) killed 4 people by negligent driving. Then there is an appearance of cover by the police authorities to save the police who allegedly run over these people. Is not that they were carelessly crossing the road. Correct me if I am wrong about that.

 Did the car not ride the pavement and struck the pedestians? Because they from Place de Mer(Sea Lots) they should shut up and accept their faith? That is what "god" plan for them because they poor, black and stupid? It good for them because they living dey? They is ah eyesore for them tourist? How can they trust the police. Police is enemy number for them. I bet you if the police was to do some of the things in the other communities that they do in the black communities, you would not hear the end of it. I watch that man cry for he wife and child? None ah we in that man sneakers? God Bless to the victims. And I have no sympathy from them coward bandits who use them people. They will get justice. rough or outherwise.
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 75 MURDERS IN 55 DAYS!!
Post by: elan on February 25, 2013, 10:31:12 PM


The emergency responders also need to do a (99% increase) much better job of securing crime scenes, accident scenes and disasters. They do a poor job of keeping the public away, minimizing and debriefing the media. These things need drastic improvement.


So...how yuh suggest that they do dat now? Cuz maybe they attempted to and it was seen as sinister.


I am talking in General, they do not do a good job. You see media personnel walking around murders normal, people coming and going, people up close taking photos with their phones. Better needs to be done within the initial response to a situation.
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 75 MURDERS IN 55 DAYS!!
Post by: ZANDOLIE on February 25, 2013, 11:01:22 PM

They can keep their head in the sand, because the decay has been affecting them for a long time now. Whenever you have to think about whether you can wear your new gold chain in town or not, that you have to roll up your window in traffic, that you have to scan the area carefully before you use an atm, or that you need to go jogging before it gets dark. The decay is there and everyone believe it's not their problem, that it's "them" and not "we". But we rather hide than address the sickness.

elan, the wealthy of south africa have been doing the same thing for decades. the wealthy and not so wealthy in the U.S. the same for hundreds of years. europe, india, china....pretty much the same thing for thousands of years.

the penalties for turning one's back....peeping out from behind an atm, jogging before dark or what have you...appear to be worth the price.

i asked a question on this same thread a few days ago about the existence of a citizen's coalition to address issues of crime and put pressure on politicians and police. not one man jack could answer, or be bothered to answer.

we celebrate, vote for, and trust men like jack warner to oversee our most important civic institutions. we have lawmen killing women and children on the road. our courts, the very instruments that are supposed to uphold justice are powerless to act in the face of blatant evidence of corruption on the part of this same warner, who already excusing these deaths as 'accidents'

the collective as it is often used is a purely academic notion. real unity comes from shared blood and sacrifice. the nation state in T&T is pure fiction. our history is essentially that of a bunch of dogs thrown into a cage to fight over scrap meat.

the reality is that nobody from westmoorings, valsayn or ellersly park is really that inconvenienced. money and power affords safe space and protection. and what do you really expect those folks, or anyone else from the outside to do stop this decay?

for me the answer lies squarely on the shoulders of each individual, within the reach of intelligence, age, and environment to protect and raise their children in a manner that will lead them to become productive citizens. not because of rigid ideology, but because of history and the complexities of the human condition. 

this is no joke. much like the civil rights movement in the U.S., the struggle for self-rule in india, and the abolishing of apartheid in S.A. it will require many individual acts of courage and sacrifice to even begin to sort out the mess. not just the elites and middle class, but also those we identify as being oppressed.
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 75 MURDERS IN 55 DAYS!!
Post by: Bakes on February 25, 2013, 11:42:30 PM
Boy, 16, shot dead
...Gunmen tell little brother to run

By Gyasi Gonzales
 
A TEENAGER on his way to share Sunday lunch with his mother was shot dead in John John, East Port of Spain, yesterday.

The victim was identified by police as Shakeel Aberdeen, 16.
Police said Aberdeen and his 12-year-old brother were walking through a track in Africa, John John when four men armed with guns approached them from behind around 11 a.m.
The killers told the younger brother to run home before shooting Aberdeen to the back of his head and back, police said. Aberdeen died on the spot.
Police investigators were unable to give a motive for the killing.
Aberdeen's mother, Sherma Critchlow, who arrived at the murder scene, said her children were staying by a relative a few houses lower down from where she lives.

"For no reason they just shot him in his head and his back and the thing is he was coming up by me for a meal but if ah know that this would have happened to him I would have come to him," she said.
Police officers who were at the scene of the mutiple fatality accident in Sea Lots had to respond to the murder scene to preserve any evidence.

Detectives of the Homicide Bureau and officers of the Crime Scene Unit subsequently arrived on the scene and Aberdeen's body was taken to the Port of Spain Mortuary.
Homicide Bureau officers are continuing investigations.

The murder toll stood at 73 up to last night according to an Express tally, while the murder toll for the comparable period last year stood at 60.

This one hard.
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 75 MURDERS IN 55 DAYS!!
Post by: MEP on February 26, 2013, 12:26:20 AM
Makes you wonder about the age of the shooters.

I wonder how the Minister of Insecurity would categorize this one...sad sad day and this governnment had a crime plan.
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 75 MURDERS IN 55 DAYS!!
Post by: Bakes on February 26, 2013, 12:35:17 AM
I had tears in my eyes watching this video. Its easy to jump to conclusions about the situation since these communities have a reputation for antisocial behaviour. Upon closer examination I can empathize with the residence on human level. All things considered the spontaneous protest and the disruption caused are forgivable to say the least.

Some people think they ought to be shot in the head. That's where we are in T&T.

Nah... I cyah sympathize with this emotional overreaction.  NOT to the point that you blocking highway and ready to fight police.  But that is just me.
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 75 MURDERS IN 55 DAYS!!
Post by: Bakes on February 26, 2013, 01:10:30 AM
The emergency responders also need to do a (99% increase) much better job of securing crime scenes, accident scenes and disasters. They do a poor job of keeping the public away, minimizing and debriefing the media. These things need drastic improvement.

More tear gas and flash grenades, perhaps?
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 75 MURDERS IN 55 DAYS!!
Post by: asylumseeker on February 26, 2013, 12:51:15 PM
What is the local community leaders doing about this?
No Government can help these people yes.

Quote
It getting to be worse and worse, a damn slum.  And the spillage leaking into other areas.
My own family almost lose he life, when a man tell him the same "run" statement.  Taking a taxi home, he end up getting rob and left with a broken arm.  Family run, he a track boy and bad luck he trip.  That's when these a$$holes catch him.  It's luck he not dead. 

These criminals just Stink. Ah wish them death


The prevailing fallacy in the nation is that the "slum" has geographical boundaries. The better view is that the "slum" is collectively the entire country.

Everyone will suffer as a consequence.

Collective future, collective fate.

The faster all citizens wrap their individual heads around that proposition, the better equipped we'll be to address this social decay.

sounds good, but how exactly do we convince all citizens to wrap their head around this. what tangible incentive will be offered up to those outside or inside the 'geographic boundries' to address social decay...and what do we do while we are waiting for everyone to be convinced?

Tangible incentive? First off, the underlying assumption (for those outside the boundaries) that the rot won't reach their doorsteps is flawed. Usually by the time it's walking up the driveway, all hell has comprehensively broken loose. Prevention is incentive itself.

There are those who will flee. My focus isn't addressed to them (but we suffer from their departure). The ones who won't leave, or can't leave, are the ones to whom the portent and threat need to be self-evident.

Those inside the boundaries know the truth but they have to rationalise it differently because of direct and daily exposure compounded by direct and daily consequences.

Incentives to action for them have little meaning barring accompanying supportive actions outside the boundaries. The "insiders" are the ones who have to live in fear and caution and to whom making accommodations with the "bad eggs" is a routine. They know life has more to offer than that. They just haven't been shown any preconditions for change or haven't witnessed sufficient political will to alter the situation.

If "insiders" and "outsiders" fail to act together, we have a status quo of mutually reinforcing vacuums that changes nothing regarding the decay, and one that deepens conditions for a worsening of an already deteriorating social order. People inside "hotspots" and outside of "hotspots" have to act in a coordinated manner to counter the rot.

Different people will be galvanized to act by different motivations and at different times but, undoubtedly, some of the wilfully blind who remain falsely secure in their sense of insulation will have to feel to learn. This is often the price for bartering one's morality and values.

Convincing? I woudn't invest any effort in encouraging the intransigent to act. All of my efforts would be directed to driving change and resisting the rot. Naysayers and disbelievers tend to fall in to line once they sense a glimmer of the resurrection of life as they prefer it. Unfortunately for them, the sting of their inaction becomes a lingering sense of resentment by those who made sacrifices.

Anyone who wants a stake in the outcome has to leverage a stake in the solution.

The other risk of not recognising what I've asserted is that of balkanising the country outside the traditional variables of race and class ... on the fuel of interests and resources.

When enemies conspire the shit has true possibilities of hitting the fan.
Title: Re: Jack Warner: a case of expanding the national security portfolio?
Post by: zuluwarrior on February 26, 2013, 01:36:22 PM


Security Centre man back in T&T



Flying Squad issue...


Published:


Tuesday, February 26, 2013
 

Director of the National Security Operations Centre Garvin Heerah reportedly returned to the country yesterday. However, the T&T Guardian was unable to contact him at his office yesterday for comment on the Flying Squad issue.
 
 
When a T&T Guardian team visited his office at Riverside Plaza, Port-of-Spain, yesterday, staff offered conflicting statements on his whereabouts. After being informed of the name of the media house, an official told the T&T Guardian: "We thought he was in the office but were told he left to attend a meeting at the Ministry of National Security."
 
 
 
Another official said: "Mr Heerah has not returned to T&T." Internal e-mails from the Ministry of National Security showed Heerah was aware that premises were being sought last year for the New Flying Squad Investigation Unit.
 
 
 
Eight vehicles for the unit were leased from Miscellaneous Marketing Ltd, El Socorro, after Heerah gave the go-ahead. Heerah answers to the Ministry of National Security which is headed by Jack Warner.
 
 
 
Warner said Heerah was expected to return to the country over the weekend and was due to submit a report on the squad in 24 hours. E-mails showed the ministry's accountant, Rocky Pacheco, was also in contact with members of the NFSIU. Retired police inspector Mervyn Cordner has repeatedly claimed Warner recalled him to head the unit.
 
 
 
Warner, however, has denied any knowledge of the NFSIU and said those culpable would be "dealt with." Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar, who is head of the National Security Council, and who last year left it up to Warner whether the unit would be set up, has ordered him to submit a report following the revelations.
 
 
 
The unit, which has to be sanctioned by the Commissioner of Police (CoP),  operated outside the T&T Police Service. The acting CoP has also said he was unaware of the NFSIU until he read the T&T Guardian story that exposed its illegal setting-up.
 
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 75 MURDERS IN 55 DAYS!!
Post by: Michael-j on March 01, 2013, 07:05:12 AM
Now 79 in 59.
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 75 MURDERS IN 55 DAYS!!
Post by: Brownsugar on March 01, 2013, 07:33:43 AM
Now 79 in 59.

I eh worried.   De Army coming to deal with the "niggas"...... ::) ::)
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 75 MURDERS IN 55 DAYS!!
Post by: Jah Gol on March 01, 2013, 07:57:02 AM
Now 79 in 59.

I eh worried.   De Army coming to deal with the "niggas"...... ::) ::)
it falling apart eh
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 75 MURDERS IN 55 DAYS!!
Post by: weary1969 on March 01, 2013, 08:28:44 AM
Now 79 in 59.

I eh worried.   De Army coming to deal with the "niggas"...... ::) ::)

Yep so we go b ah rite
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 75 MURDERS IN 55 DAYS!!
Post by: lefty on March 01, 2013, 09:35:52 AM
action Jack at work man ;D.....steups >:(.......like a running vibrator wit no pussy :laugh:.......movement without purpose or effect :pissedoff:
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 75 MURDERS IN 55 DAYS!!
Post by: 1-868 on March 01, 2013, 12:22:34 PM
That count includes the 2 bodies found in a burnt out care trunk?
 
http://ttnewsflash.com/?p=22123

Two men locked in the trunk of a car burnt to death -



OFFICERS who responded to a report that a car was on fire at the Heights of Guanapo later discovered the burnt bodies of two persons in its trunk.

The bodies were identified as Jerome and Dale Ramsahai.

According to a police report, at about 12.15 pm officers of the Arima Police and Fire Stations responded to a report of a car on fire at 3 3/4mm, Heights of Guanapo. Upon arrival at the scene the blaze was extinguished, and upon checking the Nissan Tida motor car, the officers found the bodies of two persons in the trunk burnt beyond recognition. The District Medical Officer visited the scene and made the pronouncement. Police have reportedly identified the bodies at the scene.

Investigations are continuing.
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 75 MURDERS IN 55 DAYS!!
Post by: Jah Gol on March 01, 2013, 12:43:54 PM
It's not just more frequent ,it's more brutal. We're entering a new phase.
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 75 MURDERS IN 55 DAYS!!
Post by: Michael-j on March 01, 2013, 05:25:42 PM
81 in 60. Each murder seems more heinous than the last....
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 75 MURDERS IN 55 DAYS!!
Post by: Socapro on March 01, 2013, 09:15:05 PM
81 in 60. Each murder seems more heinous than the last....
Nah boy, this is getting beyond ridiculous now!  :-[
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 81 MURDERS IN 60 DAYS!!
Post by: D.H.W on March 01, 2013, 09:38:43 PM
Father call me today say he know one of the fellas good. He was in disbelief.
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 81 MURDERS IN 60 DAYS!!
Post by: weary1969 on March 02, 2013, 12:00:07 AM
Father call me today say he know one of the fellas good. He was in disbelief.

Sooner rather than later all of us will know somebody who get killed. I had mines 2 yrs ago
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 81 MURDERS IN 60 DAYS!!
Post by: mukumsplau on March 02, 2013, 01:11:34 AM
police said this has all the makings of a hit..and by the sheer gruesomeness and apparent randomness, i tend to agree...
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 81 MURDERS IN 60 DAYS!!
Post by: weary1969 on March 02, 2013, 11:44:16 AM
police said this has all the makings of a hit..and by the sheer gruesomeness and apparent randomness, i tend to agree...

Yes but y is what we need 2 know.
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 81 MURDERS IN 60 DAYS!!
Post by: Feliziano on March 02, 2013, 01:47:25 PM
A female 1st cousin of mines cause the 75th on Monday night..slit the throat of an ex-boyfriend during an altercation at her house.
Should be self-defense but shoulda never reached to that stage.
1st physical fight in a relationship should be the last and end of any relationship.
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 81 MURDERS IN 60 DAYS!!
Post by: weary1969 on March 02, 2013, 02:00:31 PM
A female 1st cousin of mines cause the 75th on Monday night..slit the throat of an ex-boyfriend during an altercation at her house.
Should be self-defense but shoulda never reached to that stage.
1st physical fight in a relationship should be the last and end of any relationship.

Sorry to hear that.
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 81 MURDERS IN 60 DAYS!!
Post by: zuluwarrior on March 02, 2013, 02:44:38 PM
This government have a plan to run Trinbago down in the ground and the bad thing, the supporters are quite satisfy with their governing.
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 82 MURDERS IN 61 DAYS!!
Post by: Brownsugar on March 02, 2013, 05:46:01 PM
A female 1st cousin of mines cause the 75th on Monday night..slit the throat of an ex-boyfriend during an altercation at her house.
Should be self-defense but shoulda never reached to that stage.
1st physical fight in a relationship should be the last and end of any relationship.

Oh man....that's terrible....
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 82 MURDERS IN 61 DAYS!!
Post by: Bourbon on March 02, 2013, 07:51:27 PM
A female 1st cousin of mines cause the 75th on Monday night..slit the throat of an ex-boyfriend during an altercation at her house.
Should be self-defense but shoulda never reached to that stage.
1st physical fight in a relationship should be the last and end of any relationship.

Wha...dis scene yuh talkin bout?

Slit throat in self defense?

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Man_stabbed_to__death_after_row-193451531.html

Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 82 MURDERS IN 61 DAYS!!
Post by: Bakes on March 02, 2013, 07:59:07 PM
Wha...dis scene yuh talkin bout?

Slit throat in self defense?

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Man_stabbed_to__death_after_row-193451531.html



I dunno if is the same thing Feliz talking about but

Quote
Police were told Tannis and the suspect had an altercation and his knife fell to the ground. The suspect allegedly picked up the knife and stabbed him.

So during the altercation he had a knife which fell to the ground... she allegedly picks it up and stabs him.  Reasonable to assume that he was wielding the knife as a weapon when he lost it... therefore a good self-defense argument.
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 82 MURDERS IN 61 DAYS!!
Post by: lefty on March 02, 2013, 08:20:47 PM

Wha...dis scene yuh talkin bout?

Slit throat in self defense?

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Man_stabbed_to__death_after_row-193451531.html



yuh could slit ah throat wit a wild slash jus as easily as a premeditated action any coroner worth his salt will know d difference
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 82 MURDERS IN 61 DAYS!!
Post by: Feliziano on March 03, 2013, 09:58:33 AM
This is what I was told by my mother (who was ducking me cause my lil sister in a similar situation with boyfriend) when she finally returned my call 2 days after the incident (guess I woulda never known if wasn't for FB).
To set the record straight I'm not defending my cousin or like them people who get interview after a bandit get killed and saying he was such a good boy etc lol. If they find her guilty so be it.

My cousin Darcelle and this fella were off and on for the last year or so, they were always fighting. She actually moved away to get away from him and was only recently she moved back in with her parents. With her being a Nurse or whatever it is, I don't think so. The branding with the hot iron my sister said happened after a fight and there was a restraining order or some sort.
Anyway the fella came to my Aunt's house late that night while most were already in bed. She came out and asked him what he wanted etc. Both started arguing in the gallery and she told him to leave. He refused obviously and started to strangle her. She managed to escape back into the house and another cousin (Keisha) who heard the commotion came and locked the door. Darcelle went into her bedroom and unbeknownst to everybody the guy climbed through a window and hid inside the house. He also grabbed the knife in the gallery that my family uses to peel mango etc. He ended up inside her bedroom and started to attack her (not sure if with the knife or his hand). Keisha came back again after hearing screaming and proceeded to kick down the door. Apparently he was standing close behind the door when she kicked it in, which in turn hit him causing the knife to fall out of his hands. With the knife on the floor, there was a scramble to get it. Darcelle reached it first (not sure with which hand but I would say her right hand) and just lifted her hand sideways and upwards in order to try and get up (she short and fat btw). With him being in close proximity, he got slashed on the left side of his neck.
Commotion suddenly stopped and everybody in the house (who were supposedly sleeping) decide something wrong and come out their rooms to investigate steups. My uncle took him to the hospital and they all had to give statements to the Police. Darcelle was in shock that he was bleeding. She still hasn't been charged as yet since Monday night.

I know my cousin aint no saint and I would go so far to even classify her as 'ghetto'..loud mouth, aggressive, etc.
It's unfortunate someone died here but a few things really pisses me off. My family attended the wake out of courtesy and were told by the guy's family that they will put a 'hit' on her if she gets released. Darcelle's immediate family knew the kind of relationship she was in and did nothing to help discourage it or point her in the right direction.

Unfortunately my smallest sister is tied up in a similar relationship and my parents are not even trying hard enough in my opinion to put and end to it before it takes a turn for the worst. She doesn't even want to listen to me or my brother. I sent her a plane ticket couple years ago and she didn't come cause the guy threatened her, but he could fly up and down the islands with other women and leaves her at home yes. There is no physical abuse right now but they're at the stage of breaking and smashing everything in sight.

As Weary said before, is only a matter of time before the next statistic is someone close to you.
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 82 MURDERS IN 61 DAYS!!
Post by: weary1969 on March 03, 2013, 08:11:58 PM
Feliz

I am sorry to hear about your sister's situation. However, there is hope with persons who are in your sister situation realize that someone die and worse someone she knows a light bulb may come. When I practised Social Work our cases for Domestic Violence would always increase after a death as a result of D.V.

Hopefully, this would be the case in this situation. If there is anything I can do PM me.
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 82 MURDERS IN 61 DAYS!!
Post by: 1-868 on March 04, 2013, 09:53:40 AM
Cops probe farmer’s murder

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2013-03-04/cops-probe-farmer%E2%80%99s-murder

A 55-year-old farmer was chopped to death during a robbery at his Arouca garden on Saturday afternoon. According to reports, around 4.20 pm, Anand Ramdass, of Boundary Road, Aranguez, was found murdered at Paw Paw Drive, Orange Grove Road (South), Arouca. Police said that Ramdass left home early yesterday morning to go to his garden. Relatives became worried when he did not return home in the afternoon and after several calls to his cell phone went unanswered.

 

His brother-in-law, Gregory Pooran later went to the garden where he found him lying face down in a field in his underwear. Ramdass had several chop wounds to his arms and neck. Police said that his body had several other visible marks of violence which indicate that he may have been beaten by the robbers before he was killed. His wallet, jewelery, cell phone and his Toyota Hilux van were missing.

 

He was pronounced dead on the scene by District Medical Officer (DMO) Dr Gopaul, who ordered his body removed to the Forensic Science Centre in St James. A post-mortem is to be conducted today. The murder toll now stands at 84, as compared to 61 for the corresponding period last year. According to statistics from the Police Service’s Crime and Problem Analysis Branch (CAPA) there were 377 murders in 2012.

 

Superintendent Baldeo Nanan and detectives of the Region Two Homicide Bureau are probing Ramdass’ murder.
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 84 MURDERS IN 61 DAYS!!
Post by: weary1969 on March 04, 2013, 10:42:39 AM
Updated needed it rch 84 mods yuh cyah stick on this thread.
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 84 MURDERS IN 63 DAYS!!
Post by: Observer on March 08, 2013, 12:04:23 PM
Would we even con
Updated needed it rch 84 mods yuh cyah stick on this thread.
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Updated needed it rch 84 mods yuh cyah stick on this thread.

Would we even consider placing Nazim Baksh, Amery Browne, Colm Imbert or any other member of Parliment to be in charge of  the National Football Team ??? 

I'll answer my own question. No! Never!  Why? No ------- ------- ---------

So how the As* could Jack Warner could be placed in charge of National Security for the country? 
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 84 MURDERS IN 63 DAYS!!
Post by: Feliziano on March 10, 2013, 07:55:57 AM
Wha...dis scene yuh talkin bout?

Slit throat in self defense?

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Man_stabbed_to__death_after_row-193451531.html



I dunno if is the same thing Feliz talking about but

Quote
Police were told Tannis and the suspect had an altercation and his knife fell to the ground. The suspect allegedly picked up the knife and stabbed him.

So during the altercation he had a knife which fell to the ground... she allegedly picks it up and stabs him.  Reasonable to assume that he was wielding the knife as a weapon when he lost it... therefore a good self-defense argument.

Just a quick update fellas...not sure what papers it from
they told my family it might take 2-3 years before they get their inquest done  ::)
my cousin has been relocated but i already know that won't last long.

Female suspect in stabbing released
Wednesday, March 6 2013

A 26-YEAR-OLD San Fernando woman who was detained in connection with the stabbing death of Akin Tannis 31, of Ste Madeleine has been released.

The woman was in police custody since two Tuesdays ago.

Tannis, a father of one, was stabbed in his next at a house in Chislon Street, San Fernando, and subsequently died at the San Fernando General Hospital. Yesterday, Director of Public Prosecutions Roger Gaspard gave instructions that she be released and a Coroner’s Inquest be held into the circumstances surrounding Tannis’ death.
Title: Re: Jack Warner: a case of expanding the national security portfolio?
Post by: zuluwarrior on March 10, 2013, 10:22:40 AM


Warner: PNM seeking to destabilise country

 
Published:


Sunday, March 10, 2013



Shaliza Hassanali
 
National Security Minister Jack Warner has accused the People’s National Movement (PNM) of trying to destabilise the country with known criminals. Warner made the revelation during his contribution of the Defence Amendment Bill 2013 in Parliament on Friday. Warner said he received notes in his mailbox last month informing him of two meetings held by PNM agents at two locations last month.
 
 
 
 
 
One meeting was held in Maraval, under the chairmanship of a former minister of finance, while the other was in St Joseph chaired by a former pilot and CEO. The meeting in Maraval, Warner said, attracted high level politicians including a mayor and failed ministers. “However, what worries me is the meeting in Maracas St Joseph.”
 
 
 
 
 
Warner said at that meeting, a top class lawyer who was a former member of one of the PP’s partners had attended, along with 14 others. The meeting, Warner said, was held at the home of George Bell to tally the country’s murder rate which they had planned to advertise and send to the PNM overseas.
 
 
 
 
 
Questions also arose about funding for their plans. “I am advised that they had to regain the corridor (St Joseph) seat and they say what they will do and so on.” One of the attendees of that meeting, Warner said, was “Soldier Barry who has a long criminal record. “He was incarcerated for eight years and on trial for several murders.”
 
 
 
 
 
Barry, Warner said, was involved in an alleged plot to kill Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar in December 2011. “Barry said it was time to destabilise the country and discussed ways and means of doing so. When I come here and hear members whose party have agents whose intention is to destabilise the country, I am concerned.”
 


Renraw notting you say even if you telling the truth i would not believe you.
 
Title: Re: Jack Warner: a case of expanding the national security portfolio?
Post by: D.H.W on March 10, 2013, 10:49:23 AM
Stueps.
Title: Re: Jack Warner: a case of expanding the national security portfolio?
Post by: grimm01 on March 10, 2013, 11:01:58 AM
Politics 101: create a distraction (or pray for a natural disaster).
Title: Re: Minister Of National Security Performance Update: 84 MURDERS IN 63 DAYS!!
Post by: asylumseeker on March 10, 2013, 01:47:38 PM
I wonder how many AR15s in the country.
Title: Re: Jack Warner: a case of expanding the national security portfolio?
Post by: asylumseeker on March 17, 2013, 06:38:11 PM
Jack: a great black saviour on a shiny black steed?
 By Selwyn Ryan
Mar 16, 2013

I was at UWI, Jamaica, last week where I still teach the occasional class. As I sometimes do, I sought to use my class to discuss issues that are on the real time agenda in Trinidad. In this case, the class was scheduled to discuss the issue of leadership in societies which were experiencing political crisis and which had a leadership which was beyond the boundary.
 
The class was discussing theories of governance in the Age of the Enlightenment, and it was in this context that I sought to use the work of the German philosopher Friedrich Hegel as my point of departure. I also sought to use the political behaviour of the Minister of National Security as the backdrop for the discourse.
 
Hegel is a very controversial political thinker, one whom students find difficult to understand. There are, however, aspects of his thought that were relevant to our discussion of "heroic leadership". I thought that some of these ideas would illustrate Hegel's views on "great" leaders and Jack Warner as history's instrument.
 
I hasten to add that I use the word "great" in a generic way. "Great" need not mean "good". Great in my usage means having a significant impact on major events.

The world is full of heroes who were considered dangerous rascals by their societies. Jesus, Napoleon and Hitler were all "great men" who changed the world forever.
 
This column was opposed to Jack Warner becoming a member of the PP Cabinet. I was and still am of the view that he should have been made to choose between FIFA and being a member of the Cabinet. Quite frankly, I thought that however critical he might have been to Kamla's ascent to power in 2010, he would be unsuitable as a cabinet minister. I stand vindicated.
 
That does not, however, prevent me from evaluating Warner in other dimensions.

One of Hegel's well-known sayings is that "One cannot cure gangrene with lavender water." He is also wont to say that meaningful change cannot be achieved by utopian wishes: one must be "realistic" about what one proposes to do.
 
Failure is certain if one misreads the trajectory of history. Hegel was also of the view that "blood and iron" were needed to achieve historically significant goals and that "force and conflict were the midwives of history". History was thus not about the lives of kings.
 
Great men become heroes if they become conscious instruments of powerful social forces and assist these ideas to come to fruition. Great men are invariably history's bullies.
 
Where does Laventille and Jack Warner fit in with all this? Jack talks and prevaricates a great deal and one does not always know when to take him seriously. He, however, projects himself as a "man of action", someone who has a destiny and a legacy to fulfill.
 
Others around him are seen to be "weak" or "soft". He sees himself as a "black man on a shiny black steed" whose historic destiny is to clean up and gentrify Laventille and other "hot spots" throughout Trinidad and Tobago.

 
Kamla also adopted him as her "man of action", the man who will help her achieve her goal of a second term. Jack and Kamla are both at war with the criminal element and have warned those whom he described as "urban guerillas" that in the coming cosmic battle, he was taking no prisoners. The gangs would either have to put down their guns or suffer early mortality.
 
"Dem born fi dead," as the Jamaicans would say.

Warner needs to succeed and is impatient to succeed. Time and international forces are not on his side. There is also a bounty on his head.
 
He is thus irritated by all the picayune obstacles being put in his way by the PNM and others in civil society who are opposed to the hard line which he sees as inevitable.


As he complains, "For too long, the voices of the minority who oppose the Government for personal reasons are getting their views across while the majority stood silent."
 
Jack seems to be genuinely of the view that those in opposition—the gang lords and their supporters—are bent on "staging massive disruptions across the country to bring down the PP government". One is not clear who exactly is the enemy, but it would seem he believes a criminal element is combining to challenge the State and that he needs reinforcement and better intelligence. Who wants to prevent history from absolving him? The PNM? Hardly.

Warner's hubristic rhetoric suggests that he sees himself as a Hegelian "great man" who was not afraid to be the "martyr" who dies in the battle against the bad boys. He warned the latter that they will feel the effects of his crime plan when it is implemented. As he boasted, "It would be swift, it would be surgical, it will be clinical, and this country shall begin an era of safety."
 
He also promised Laventillians that he would bulldoze their hilltop houses to make room for new structures which will be built. As simple as that! One does not know whether this is his dream or Government policy.
 
The "Plan" involved recruiting up to 5,000 Special Reserve Police officers to fill the manpower needs of the security services. Presumably, he was also privy to the decision to create "soldier-police", eliminate juries and bail for certain heinous offences.
 
It may also be that the New Flying Squad was to be an integral part of this massive intake. The plan fell apart, in part because the gangsters were not the pushovers Warner assumed they would be.
 
The PNM's resistance to the "manoduro" (hard) approach was also stouter than Jack bargained for. So far Jack has failed. One should however not be surprised.

There are few anti-gang success stories to use as exemplars. They succeed for a while (up to two years in August Town, Jamaica) but invariably get tripped off again by a "land mine", some long suppressed act of vengeance. But Great Men in the Hegelian mode do not give up readily. They persevere until they succeed or fail monumentally, in which case, their audacious challenge to history would be deemed to have been "adventurous" or "utopian".
 
Lenin would say of them that "they died with their political swords in hand, but that they made a beautiful corpse". What will we say of Jack when he runs out of time?
 
Part of the problem is that unlike what obtains in much of Latin America, Trinidadians, like Jamaicans, are ambivalent about the use of extrajudicial executions by the police. They are not disposed to use the level of force which that option requires.
 
Hegel would probably snort that Trinidad is still trying to use lavender water to heal its gangrenous flesh.
 
The idea of a secretly and illegally recruited "ton ton macoute" such as one had in Grenada or Haiti is still abhorrent to a majority of Trinidadians. They want a respite from the criminal gangs, but they also want enduring social peace. Hegelians would say that this cannot happen. Only one order can prevail sustainably.

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/commentaries/Jack__a_great_black_saviour__on_a_shiny_black_steed_-198640001.html
Title: Re: Jack Warner: a case of expanding the national security portfolio?
Post by: zuluwarrior on March 31, 2013, 07:52:02 PM


Officials ‘stunned’ by findings on Flying Squad


Published:


Sunday, March 31, 2013



Anika Gumbs-Sandiford
 


The Police Complaints Authority (PCA) has begun its inquiry into allegations of the revival of the New Flying Squad Investigations Unit (NFSIU).
 
 
 
Retired police inspector Mervyn Cordner who has repeatedly claimed he was recalled by Minister of National Security Jack Warner to head the NFSIU was the first witness to be called.
 
 
 
Sunday Guardian learned Cordner met with officials of the PCA for over six hours on March 19 at the authority’s Park Street, Port-of-Spain, office where he was interviewed.
 
 
 
He handed over several documents, e-mails and pictures to the officials to substantiate his claims.
 
 
 
The inquiry is being conducted by PCA head Gillian Lucky and five other members.
 
 
 
Cordner, Sunday Guardian further learned, also met with deputy commissioner of police (DCP) Simon Alexis on March 21 and was also interviewed.
 
 
 
Alexis has been mandated by acting Commissioner of Police (CoP) Stephen Williams to investigate allegations into the revival of the NFSIU.
 
 
 
Williams opted to stepped aside after various quarters condemned his involvement in the investigations citing an apparent conflict of interest. He was also named in a report submitted by National Security Operations Centre director Garvin Heerah giving his account on the matter.
 
 
 
Lucky confirmed to Sunday Guardian on Thursday that the inquiry into the NFSIU was on its way.
 
 
 
However, the PCA head said she was unable to divulge details surrounding the investigation because of its “sensitivity.”
 
 
 
“What I could say is the inquiry commenced and is ongoing, but because of the nature of the matter I cannot reveal any specifics,” Lucky said.
 
 
 
But sources told Sunday Guardian officials were “stunned” by the information that was presented to them.
 
 
 
Several other key members of the NFSIU have also been questioned by the PCA in connection with the role they played in the unit.
 
 
 
Sunday Guardian understands all 75 members who claim to have worked for the NFSIU are expected to be interviewed.
 
 
 
NFSIU revived in July 2012
 
 
 
The NFSIU was reportedly secretly revived in July last year, months after Warner signalled his intention to bring back the unit.
 
 
 
In June last year, Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar said she was leaving it up to Warner to decide if he wanted to bring back a unit fashioned after the infamous Flying Squad.
 
 
 
The squad was first formed in the 1970s but was disbanded in 1980 after former police commissioner Randolph Burroughs was charged with conspiracy to murder.
 
 
 
Warner hinted at the possibility of bringing back a “sanitised version” of the squad last year, but did not give a time frame.
 
 
 
In the face of damning evidence, Warner has vehemently denied any knowledge of the unit being revived.
 
 
 
It was an internal e-mail trail at the Ministry of National Security that confirmed the NFSIU was up and running.
 
 
 
Members of the NFSIU was facilitated by Heerah to carry out operations.
 
 
 
The e-mails showed a base was being sought for the NFSIU in Aranguez, with the knowledge of Heerah.
 
 
 
However, the site was deemed unsuitable and the NFSIU was set up at Arouca instead. Last week, Koorn was visited by two investigators inquiring about the operations of the NFSIU from his premises.
 
 
 
Heerah arranged for the NFSIU to be equipped with vehicles to carry out operations.
 
 
 
Miscellaneous Marketing Company Ltd, a company that leases unmarked vehicles to the T&T Police Service, supplied eight vehicles to the NFSIU last year to carry out operations.
 
 
 
The directors of Miscellaneous Marketing Ltd are Sham and Rachel Mohammed of Temple Street, Duncan Village, San Fernando.
 
 
 
 
 
Flying Squad saga
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
The NFSIU operated for four months on the premises of Donrich Security Kennels Ltd located at Factory Road, Golden Grove Road, Arouca, but was recently shut down because of lack of funding.
 
 
 
Businessman Richard Koorn, the owner of the premises from where the NFSIU operated at a monthly cost of $200,000, has corroborated Cordner’s claims.
 
 
 
Koorn claimed he was privy to several discussions and meetings surrounding investigations, in particular, the murder of Yang Jiang Hua and Wu Xia Hua, who were shot dead last July at their family's home and business place, Tiger’s Chinese Restaurant in Cunupia.
 
 
 
The Chinese murder was one of six Cordner claimed the NFSIU was instrumental in helping police solve but the top cop has dismissed the claims.
 
 
 
Williams also denied having any knowledge of the NFSIU but Heerah, in his report to Warner, stated that he had approached the top cop for the members to become special reserve police (SRPs) officers.
 
 
 
Documents show that it was DCP Mervyn Richardson who recommended that members of NFSIU become SRPs in order for them to be precepted.
 
 
 
However, the request was denied by Williams.
 
 
 
Richardson has since appeared before the Police Service Commission to give an account of the role he played with the NFSIU.
 


Title: Yes, Prime Minister: Kamla puts foot down on Warner issue
Post by: SWF Reporter on April 02, 2013, 12:29:08 PM
Yes, Prime Minister: Kamla puts foot down on Warner issue
By Mr Live Wire (Wired868.com)


Scene: Office of the Prime Minister

(National Security Minister Jack Warner walks in and closes the door behind him)

National Security Minister Jack Warner: Yes, Prime Minister. The AG told me you wanted to see me?

Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar: It is over, Jack. This FBI business is the last straw. Everyone is worried that it might affect their ability to get visas and invitations to those great US Embassy parties. You had your warning, eh. That’s it.

Warner: Kamla, I fully understand and I support you. I am only here to serve your government and I am ready to step aside.

Prime Minister: It is too late, Jack. Prakash told me that once I stand on higher ground, I won’t have to worry about your tsunami and… Wait. What did you say?

Warner: Kamla, you are the sharpest legal mind I have ever met. In the fullness of time, I know your decision today will be shown to have saved your party and your country.

Prime Minister: You really think so, Jack? You know I heard some of the boys were whispering behind my back ever since I got my “SC.” You believe they said Hafizool more qualified than me? They said at least he paid for his letters.

Warner: Let me tell you that not one of them has your vision. Not one!

Prime Minister: Yes… Well. How would you like us to do this? Would you prefer to resign?

Warner: You know best, Prime Minister. So, I think you should make the announcement about relieving me yourself.

Prime Minister: Yes. True. That would really make me look strong and independent. Is it okay with you if I am independent?

Warner: Of course. You are the most independent person I know. Too bad the media doesn’t see it. They so clueless that they would probably think you firing me is another sign of your incompetence.

Prime Minister: Hahaha. (Pauses) Why would they think I am incompetent for firing you?

Warner: They will say you bent to pressure from a few peewats. I mean David Abdullah? Cheups. He could meet all his supporters in a broom closet and it would still have room.

Prime Minister: Hahaha. That’s true eh. But Jack what about the international press? A lot of big papers writing about Trinidad and Tobago now and I don’t know what impact it would have on the country.

Warner: I agree. I thought that was an excellent article by Vanity Fair.

Prime Minister: Vanity Fair?

Warner: Yes. The one that listed you among the top ten best dressed leaders in the world. That is what people listen to. You ever hear any of your constituents talking about what they read in Reuters this morning? You ever see a Reuters newspaper selling in Siparia?

Prime Minister (with a confused look): Ahmm…

Warner: If the FBI really wanted me, you don’t think they would have said something to us by now?

Prime Minister: But… I mean. We can’t be caught off guard.

Warner: Why not call and ask them?

Prime Minister: Who?

Warner: The FBI. It couldn’t hurt. Let me hear what they think they have on me.

Prime Minister: But they would never tell us. If the investigation still going on, why would the FBI say something now?

Warner: So why rush if the FBI not saying anything? You don’t think making a public statement is sub judice?

Prime Minister: Sub judice only counts when a matter is under consideration in court.

Warner: That’s what it used to mean. Now it means “you ketch me with that question and I can’t think of a good answer.” Ask the majority of voters what it means and see for yourself.

Prime Minister: But then suppose in a month or two the FBI orders your arrest? Oh gosh Jack, look at the licks we get over Ish and Steve. I can’t go through that again. Volney does still turn up his face everytime he sees me.

Warner: Volney face does always look like WASA dig it up. Don’t study him. You know the law better than anyone. If the FBI wants to press charges, then they would have to apply for me to be extradited. The Yankees not above the law you know.

Prime Minister: You don’t think that would look bad?

Warner: That everything is done legally? I wouldn’t expect anything less when dealing with a distinguished Senior Counsel like yourself.

Prime Minister: Jack boy, the FBI really wants you in truth?

Warner: Kamla, God himself gave up his first born child not so? Everybody wants to crucify me. Why you think that is?

Prime Minister: I getting mixed up. You’re saying that Daryan is Jesus or that I am God?

Warner: I’m saying that if there is one person I know that won’t let anyone push her buttons, it is you. David and them trying to set trap for you. But your decision to wait for an answer from the FBI would stall them and take away their momentum. You saw what happened when Mancini sold that trouble-maker, Balotelli? Everything that goes wrong at Manchester City is Mancini’s fault now.

Prime Minister: Bocelli was in which city?

Warner: Exactly. So if you decide to keep me in your Cabinet to prove that this is a law abiding country and in keeping with your hypocrite oath, then I am humbly at your service.

Prime Minister: You mean the Hippocratic oath? My husband is a doctor you know.

Warner: He is not half the physician you are. You will give Trinidad and Tobago just the diagnosis it needs.

Prime Minister: Listen Jack. You are doing an excellent job. Who the hell is Reuters and David to tell me how to run my government?!

Warner: The crime situation is worse than ever since I took over. Doesn’t everybody know it is always darkest before dawn? The worse it gets, the closer we are to a breakthrough. So obviously, we are closer to solving the crime problem than under any previous National Security Minister. But I know you see that better than anyone. I could do with a vacation, you know. I could go home and look at photos of all those lovely countries I used to be able to visit. But I can’t leave you hanging.

Prime Minister: Jack, don’t take on those critics. Get right back to work. You are doing a wonderful job.

Warner: Yes, Prime Minister.
 

Editor’s Note: This column is pure satire and all conversations are faked. No offence is meant at parties named; although they probably deserve it.

And, of course, our thanks to Yes, Prime Minister and Filbert Street.


Title: Re: Yes, Prime Minister: Kamla puts foot down on Warner issue
Post by: Jah Gol on April 02, 2013, 02:31:56 PM
dies
Title: Re: Yes, Prime Minister: Kamla puts foot down on Warner issue
Post by: Socapro on April 02, 2013, 04:33:39 PM
 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Mr Live Wire seem to have learnt from Sam!
Title: Re: Yes, Prime Minister: Kamla puts foot down on Warner issue
Post by: truetrini on April 02, 2013, 06:10:36 PM
plenty kicks, Jack all over she SC
Title: Couple accused of fraud vs Warner
Post by: vb on April 09, 2013, 02:47:27 PM

COUPLE ON 114 CHARGES
Warner and wife allegedly defrauded of $1.9m

By Mark Bassant CCN Senior Multimedia Investigative Journalist
Story Created: Apr 8, 2013 at 9:33 PM ECT
Story Updated: Apr 9, 2013 at 11:59 AM ECT
Jack Warner is usually at the receiving end of accusations.
Yesterday, however, a couple appeared in the Port of Spain Magistrates’ Court on 114 fraud-related charges of defrauding the Minister of National Security and his wife Maureen of just under $2 million.
Routie Sunita Rampersad, 42, of 7 Eleventh Street, Barataria, and her husband Shivanand Bhagwandass, 56, of the same address, were both charged by WPC Corporal Lisa Cudjoe of the Fraud Squad.
At 3.15 p.m., the couple appeared before Magistrate Debbie Ann Basso, who proceeded to read aloud the charges that ended an hour and 45 minutes later.
Rampersad, dressed in a yellow top and jeans, bowed her head most of the time when the charges were being read, while Bhagwandass, dressed in a grey long-sleeved sweater and washed out jeans, glanced around occasionally at his mother, who was sitting in court.
The majority of charges were for uttering forged documents, obtaining money and forgery.
All the incidents of alleged fraud occurred between September, 2007 until March 2013.
Based on the long list of charges read out, it is alleged that Rampersad and Bhagwandass cashed First Citizens, Independence Square cheques in this six-year period at Scotia and First Citizens branches in Chaguanas that had the pre-signed signatures of Jack Warner and/or his wife Maureen.
The money was withdrawn from the Warners’ joint account, totalling $1.9 million.
Cheques ranging from $10,500 to as much as $165,000 were withdrawn from the Warners’ account during the period.
Rampersad, 42, had worked at the Centre of Excellence in Macoya as an accounts clerk for a period of three years.
Rampersad, the court was told, was now working as a gardener with Bhagwandass.
Attorney Mansergh Griffith, who held for attorney Larry Williams, told the court that both his clients had no previous convictions or matters pending and asked the court to grant them bail.
Magistrate Basso said she would consider bail on the first 15 charges that emanated in St George West, but indicated she would have to transfer the charges number 16-114 to the Chaguanas Magistrates’ Court.
She remanded the couple in custody and adjourned the matter until Thursday pending a tracing of the couple.
Title: Re: Couple accused of fraud vs Warner
Post by: vb on April 09, 2013, 02:47:49 PM
How ironic, Larry Williams was in class with Warner's son at Fatima.

VB
Title: Re: Couple accused of fraud vs Warner
Post by: Deeks on April 09, 2013, 07:42:09 PM
Jack passing on his bad habits to his employees too!!!!
Title: Re: Couple accused of fraud vs Warner
Post by: asylumseeker on April 09, 2013, 07:56:59 PM
Quote
Jack Warner is usually at the receiving end of accusations.
What a mischievous line!  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Couple accused of fraud vs Warner
Post by: zuluwarrior on April 09, 2013, 08:32:30 PM
Do so dont like so
Title: Re: Couple accused of fraud vs Warner
Post by: weary1969 on April 10, 2013, 08:11:11 AM
All yuh c them people on tv? them eh look likethey could defraud d muppets. I eh buying this story.
Title: Re: Couple accused of fraud vs Warner
Post by: Sam on April 10, 2013, 09:04:02 AM
They should make Jack Warner de minister of baccanal or comess !

Title: Re: Couple accused of fraud vs Warner
Post by: mal jeux on April 10, 2013, 01:10:10 PM
All yuh c them people on tv? them eh look likethey could defraud d muppets. I eh buying this story.

 :rotfl:  :rotfl:  :rotfl:
Title: Re: Couple accused of fraud vs Warner
Post by: pardners on April 11, 2013, 11:03:58 AM
All yuh c them people on tv? them eh look likethey could defraud d muppets. I eh buying this story.

I was saying the same thing too.  Is only because they 'allegedly' tief the money in parts over a long time rather than a lump sum make me say ok...ah go let it slide.
Title: Re: Couple accused of fraud vs Warner
Post by: weary1969 on April 11, 2013, 12:50:59 PM
All yuh c them people on tv? them eh look likethey could defraud d muppets. I eh buying this story.

I was saying the same thing too.  Is only because they 'allegedly' tief the money in parts over a long time rather than a lump sum make me say ok...ah go let it slide.

In 1 bite or over many bites I eh convince. I know ah judging a book by its cover but Jack who know how to d defraud peps get defraud by these peeps. Who is his accountant?
Title: Re: Couple accused of fraud vs Warner
Post by: Peong on April 11, 2013, 01:04:59 PM
All yuh c them people on tv? them eh look likethey could defraud d muppets. I eh buying this story.

I was saying the same thing too.  Is only because they 'allegedly' tief the money in parts over a long time rather than a lump sum make me say ok...ah go let it slide.

In 1 bite or over many bites I eh convince. I know ah judging a book by its cover but Jack who know how to d defraud peps get defraud by these peeps. Who is his accountant?

The amount of money-hiding this man probably does it must be a nightmare for his accountant to keep track.
Title: Re: Couple accused of fraud vs Warner
Post by: weary1969 on April 12, 2013, 07:32:32 AM
All yuh c them people on tv? them eh look likethey could defraud d muppets. I eh buying this story.

I was saying the same thing too.  Is only because they 'allegedly' tief the money in parts over a long time rather than a lump sum make me say ok...ah go let it slide.

In 1 bite or over many bites I eh convince. I know ah judging a book by its cover but Jack who know how to d defraud peps get defraud by these peeps. Who is his accountant?

The amount of money-hiding this man probably does it must be a nightmare for his accountant to keep track.

So these 2 lil frail peeps can tief from him 4 nuff yrs and he eh know. Is because he hiding so much he knows where every cent is.
Title: Re: Couple accused of fraud vs Warner
Post by: weary1969 on April 12, 2013, 08:20:19 AM
$60,000 bail for couple
2 accused of defrauding Jack and wife
By Jensen LaVende jensen.lavende@trinidadexpress.com

THE Barataria couple accused of defrauding National Security Minister Jack Warner and his wife were each granted $30,000 bail yesterday when they appeared before a Port of Spain magistrate.

Routie Sunita Rampersad, 42, and her husband, Shivanand Bhagwandas, 56, were jointly charged with defrauding Warner and his wife, Maureen, on November 13, 2007; January 22, 2008 and February 20, 2008.

The couple, who allegedly committed the offences in San Juan and Chaguanas, appeared in Port of Spain yesterday to answer a total of nine charges.

Rampersad has three separate charges which occurred on October 28, 2007, January 5, 2008 and February 12, 2008.

 Her husband, who was not brought to court yesterday, is also charged individually with defrauding the Warners on January 22, 2008, February 20, 2008 and November 13, 2007.

The couple will re-appear in the Chaguanas Magistrates’ Court today on an additional 105 charges.

Defence attorney Mansergh Griffith, who represented the couple along with Larry Williams, told Magistrate Marcia Murray that the couple would be willing to submit themselves to any condition, once bail is obtained.

Griffith said the couple, both gardeners, have strong ties to the Eleventh Street, Barataria community, as well as strong family support and they were not a flight risk.

He asked that bail be “reasonable”, given that the couple, who have no criminal record, are of low means, prompting Murray to reply that she always set “reasonable bail”.

 Griffith said while the couple lived at Barataria, Bhagwandas had been living at his garden, located at Bourg Mulatresse, for the past three months.

After listening to Griffith’s plea and court prosecutor, Insp Kenneth Morgan, who objected to bail, citing the nature and seriousness of the offences as his reason, Murray granted the couple bail with the condition that they report to Barataria Police Station every Friday between 6 a.m and 6 p.m.

Murray allowed Rampersad’s aunt, Sylvia Samaroo, to stand bail for her after informing her that failure to ensure that Rampersad attends court would result in her (Samaroo) forfeiting $30,000.

Murray, after informing Bhagwandas’ mother of the same responsibilities, allowed his brother, Shyam Bhagwandas, to stand as surety since she (Murray) thought that the elderly woman could not “manage the burden” of ensuring her son attends court.

The matter was then adjourned to May 9.

Title: Official..NO MORE JACK!
Post by: truetrini on April 21, 2013, 05:58:18 PM
he resigned
Title: Re: Official..NO MORE JACK!
Post by: g on April 21, 2013, 06:07:06 PM
Little other option at this point in all honesty.

My only fear is that his clout is still there, still UNC chairman and a financier. Small victory for the people but i dare say, that this means nothing other than some damage control PR from the government.
Title: Re: Official..NO MORE JACK!
Post by: Deeks on April 21, 2013, 11:06:33 PM
Jack political affiliation is a UNC issue. I assume he will stay as MP because his constitiuents will "die" to him. I guess they can;t take that away from him.
Title: Re: Official..NO MORE JACK!
Post by: fishs on April 22, 2013, 12:46:05 AM

  If anybody want to see the full report, I can email it to them.
 I can't post it here because my company computer blocking that.
So if you want I can sedn it to somebody and they can post it here.

 The thing real damning
Title: Re: Official..NO MORE JACK!
Post by: zuluwarrior on April 22, 2013, 07:11:10 AM
Recently a Jack got hunged in tobago,yesterday another jack get hang in Trinidad.

Who is nex or what ?
Title: Re: Official..NO MORE JACK!
Post by: Bitter on April 22, 2013, 07:11:52 AM
INTEGRITY COMMITTEE
REPORT OF INVESTIGATION
Presented to the Executive Committee of CONCACAF
April 18, 2013

http://concacafintegrityreport.com/FinalReport.PDF
Title: Media reports Jack has also quit as UNC chairman
Post by: Bitter on April 22, 2013, 07:28:10 AM
Media reports Jack has also quit as UNC chairman
By Multimedia Desk
Story Created: Apr 22, 2013 at 8:37 AM ECT
Story Updated: Apr 22, 2013 at 8:48 AM ECT
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Media-reports-Jack-has-also-quit-as-UNC-chairman-204079481.html


SEVERAL media organisations are reporting today that Jack Warner, who resigned as National Security Minister yesterday, has also tendered his resignation as Chaiman of the United National Congress.

Warner was re-elected Chairman in the UNC's March 24, 2012 executive election. He recieved 12,656 votes - the highest number of votes cast in the election.

Challenger, attorney Ashvani Mahabir polled 656 votes, and Mooniram Heru received 201 votes.
In the 2010 internal election, Warner received 9195 votes, defeating then challenger Vasant Bharath who got 2744 votes.

come back to this story for updates
Title: Re: Official..NO MORE JACK!
Post by: Socaman on April 22, 2013, 10:51:04 AM
 ;D :beermug:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcwUM6DpRzE
Title: Re: Official..NO MORE JACK!
Post by: ZANDOLIE on April 22, 2013, 11:52:30 AM
if it were not for the incredible pressure the yanks brought to bear on t&t's government warner would still be MoNS.

one has to wonder how much evil jack would have to do for the prime minister of our country to have the nerve, or integrity, to demand his resignation.

 i've never been a big detractor of the PP, but now i'm a convert....this government has to go.
Title: Re: Official..NO MORE JACK!
Post by: asylumseeker on April 22, 2013, 12:11:55 PM
if it were not for the incredible pressure the yanks brought to bear on t&t's government warner would still be MoNS.

one has to wonder how much evil jack would have to do for the prime minister of our country to have the nerve, or integrity, to demand his resignation.

 i've never been a big detractor of the PP, but now i'm a convert....this government has to go.

Did I miss something?
Title: Re: Official..NO MORE JACK!
Post by: Socapro on April 22, 2013, 12:18:33 PM
if it were not for the incredible pressure the yanks brought to bear on t&t's government warner would still be MoNS.

one has to wonder how much evil jack would have to do for the prime minister of our country to have the nerve, or integrity, to demand his resignation.

 i've never been a big detractor of the PP, but now i'm a convert....this government has to go.
:beermug:
Title: Re: Official..NO MORE JACK!
Post by: lefty on April 22, 2013, 12:24:02 PM
if it were not for the incredible pressure the yanks brought to bear on t&t's government warner would still be MoNS.

one has to wonder how much evil jack would have to do for the prime minister of our country to have the nerve, or integrity, to demand his resignation.

 i've never been a big detractor of the PP, but now i'm a convert....this government has to go.

Did I miss something?

it has been "implied" long time now.....dey have plenty bone to pick wit d gov't....not least of which being d borders dat open wide like legs of ah 2 dolla hooker, remember dem had ah world cup bid too....yesterday was yesterday.........deem f**kas does hold ah grudge good
Title: Re: Official..NO MORE JACK!
Post by: weary1969 on April 22, 2013, 12:30:54 PM
if it were not for the incredible pressure the yanks brought to bear on t&t's government warner would still be MoNS.

one has to wonder how much evil jack would have to do for the prime minister of our country to have the nerve, or integrity, to demand his resignation.

 i've never been a big detractor of the PP, but now i'm a convert....this government has to go.

Today everybody on the site name is Paul and they on the Road to Damascus they seeing the light.
Title: Re: Official..NO MORE JACK!
Post by: ZANDOLIE on April 22, 2013, 12:39:57 PM
if it were not for the incredible pressure the yanks brought to bear on t&t's government warner would still be MoNS.

one has to wonder how much evil jack would have to do for the prime minister of our country to have the nerve, or integrity, to demand his resignation.

 i've never been a big detractor of the PP, but now i'm a convert....this government has to go.

Today everybody on the site name is Paul and they on the Road to Damascus they seeing the light.

Lol, I always thought it was inexperience on the part of the PP, from kamla making a fool of herself in india, to the SOE, to the turtle debacle, to the blimp. But the light now too bright to ignore
Title: Re: Official..NO MORE JACK!
Post by: weary1969 on April 22, 2013, 01:29:46 PM
if it were not for the incredible pressure the yanks brought to bear on t&t's government warner would still be MoNS.

one has to wonder how much evil jack would have to do for the prime minister of our country to have the nerve, or integrity, to demand his resignation.

 i've never been a big detractor of the PP, but now i'm a convert....this government has to go.

Today everybody on the site name is Paul and they on the Road to Damascus they seeing the light.

Lol, I always thought it was inexperience on the part of the PP, from kamla making a fool of herself in india, to the SOE, to the turtle debacle, to the blimp. But the light now too bright to ignore

If it was 1995-2001 I would claim inexperience but these jokers were in power b4 so no excuse. They just plain clueless. 
Title: Re: Official..NO MORE JACK!
Post by: sammy on April 23, 2013, 11:30:41 AM
(http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/321692_364313263672741_353378579_n.png)
Title: Re: Official..NO MORE JACK!
Post by: asylumseeker on April 23, 2013, 11:34:25 AM
 :)
Title: Re: Official..NO MORE JACK!
Post by: congo on April 23, 2013, 03:28:51 PM

If it was 1995-2001 I would claim inexperience but these jokers were in power b4 so no excuse. They just plain clueless classless. 

Fixed it for you ;)
Title: Re: Official..NO MORE JACK!
Post by: weary1969 on April 23, 2013, 03:42:25 PM

If it was 1995-2001 I would claim inexperience but these jokers were in power b4 so no excuse. They just plain clueless classless. 

Fixed it for you ;)

Is both clueless and classless.
Title: Sad day for the nation
Post by: Tallman on April 23, 2013, 04:02:26 PM
Sad day for the nation
T&T Express Letter


I am very saddened by the resignation of Jack Warner as minister of national security.

For the past few years he worked very hard for the people of this country and I am most certain that many can testify to that. In this Cabinet, he was seen as “the results man” and won the hearts of all.

Of course it is no secret that there were stones thrown at him from various directions due to controversies surrounding his tenure in FIFA and Concacaf.

What strikes me the most is Mr Warner’s ability to work under pressure and still produce results. Murder rates have begun to drop once again and people’s voices are being heard. This is what politics is all about, results and people-centred movement.

I want to say to the PNM, COP and MSJ forces that if they choose to take Mr Warner’s resignation as a victory for them, then they are terribly fooled. This man’s resignation is a statement to the country that even our leaders understand that the country is to be put first, contrary to what the PNM has displayed time and time again.

Mr Warner, I salute you for your great work as minister and your great service to the country and its people. I salute our Prime Minister for her grace under pressure and the tactful way she handled the entire situation, making sure not to bow to the bullying forces.

Ralph Camacho
Maraval
Title: Re: Official..NO MORE JACK!
Post by: congo on April 23, 2013, 06:14:40 PM

If it was 1995-2001 I would claim inexperience but these jokers were in power b4 so no excuse. They just plain clueless classless. 

Fixed it for you ;)

Is both clueless and classless.
I actually don't think that they are clueless. They are a lot more calculating and cunning than we give them credit for. It's their blatant lust for corruption that makes them classless and dangerous.
Title: Re: Official..NO MORE JACK!
Post by: mukumsplau on April 23, 2013, 07:20:39 PM
Sad day for the nation
T&T Express Letter


I am very saddened by the resignation of Jack Warner as minister of national security.

For the past few years he worked very hard for the people of this country and I am most certain that many can testify to that. In this Cabinet, he was seen as “the results man” and won the hearts of all.

Of course it is no secret that there were stones thrown at him from various directions due to controversies surrounding his tenure in FIFA and Concacaf.

What strikes me the most is Mr Warner’s ability to work under pressure and still produce results. Murder rates have begun to drop once again and people’s voices are being heard. This is what politics is all about, results and people-centred movement.

I want to say to the PNM, COP and MSJ forces that if they choose to take Mr Warner’s resignation as a victory for them, then they are terribly fooled. This man’s resignation is a statement to the country that even our leaders understand that the country is to be put first, contrary to what the PNM has displayed time and time again.

Mr Warner, I salute you for your great work as minister and your great service to the country and its people. I salute our Prime Minister for her grace under pressure and the tactful way she handled the entire situation, making sure not to bow to the bullying forces.

Ralph Camacho
Maraval


i have no words.
Title: Re: Official..NO MORE JACK!
Post by: Cocorite on April 23, 2013, 07:52:27 PM
Sad day for the nation
T&T Express Letter


I am very saddened by the resignation of Jack Warner as minister of national security.

For the past few years he worked very hard for the people of this country and I am most certain that many can testify to that. In this Cabinet, he was seen as “the results man” and won the hearts of all.

Of course it is no secret that there were stones thrown at him from various directions due to controversies surrounding his tenure in FIFA and Concacaf.

What strikes me the most is Mr Warner’s ability to work under pressure and still produce results. Murder rates have begun to drop once again and people’s voices are being heard. This is what politics is all about, results and people-centred movement.

I want to say to the PNM, COP and MSJ forces that if they choose to take Mr Warner’s resignation as a victory for them, then they are terribly fooled. This man’s resignation is a statement to the country that even our leaders understand that the country is to be put first, contrary to what the PNM has displayed time and time again.

Mr Warner, I salute you for your great work as minister and your great service to the country and its people. I salute our Prime Minister for her grace under pressure and the tactful way she handled the entire situation, making sure not to bow to the bullying forces.

Ralph Camacho
Maraval

I know is a free society, but why do they bother to print this nonesense in the people papers, jed?
Title: Re: Official..NO MORE JACK!
Post by: just cool on April 23, 2013, 09:23:30 PM
How ironic, no mo true trini neither.       :cursing:
Title: Re: Official..NO MORE JACK!
Post by: weary1969 on April 24, 2013, 07:33:01 AM

If it was 1995-2001 I would claim inexperience but these jokers were in power b4 so no excuse. They just plain clueless classless. 

Fixed it for you ;)

Is both clueless and classless.
I actually don't think that they are clueless. They are a lot more calculating and cunning than we give them credit for. It's their blatant lust for corruption that makes them classless and dangerous.

Clueless as it relates to running a country. They probably 2 busy tiefin but nutten eh happenin 2 run a country. Cabinet notes eh being written so the business of state can happen.
Title: Re: Official..NO MORE JACK!
Post by: Bitter on April 26, 2013, 09:01:39 AM
In His Own Words
Story Created: Apr 25, 2013 at 11:12 PM ECT
Story Updated: Apr 26, 2013 at 6:57 AM ECT
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/In-His-Own-Words-204790271.html

“In my meeting last Sunday, I had advised the Prime Minister of my  thinking on this matter. I also did tell her that I will want to contest  the by-election as a UNC Candidate for the Chaguanas West seat as I  am UNC to the bone.

And as such, with events having unfolded as they are to this point, I  wish to let you know that tomorrow, Friday, I would be advising the  Speaker of the House of Representatives that effective midnight on  Friday night I am resigning as Member of Parliament for Chaguanas West.

Section 69 (3) of the Constitution of the Republic of Tobago states that  where a vacancy arises in the House of Representatives within the first  four years of the life of the Parliament a by-election shall be held to  fill such vacancy not later than 90 days from the date of the  announcement of the vacancy by the Speaker.

Ninety days from April 25, 2013 will be July 24 2013 and who knows  with luck, love and your support, Jack Warner will be back. I know  many of you are still crying and I too as well am crying but from inside  where it is even more painful. The Prime Minister in our meeting last  Sunday even suggested that even if I do offer myself up for re-election  I shall win and with your help and support, I too do feel so.

Then together – hand in hand – we shall set right all the wrongs that  have been committed. We shall work together to strengthen our UNC  and our government and ensure that the people are truly always the  first to be served – and that they are served with dignity.

On Saturday a new office sign goes up to replace the Chaguanas  West MP sign and then the by-election campaign starts. I will still  continue to see people from all walks of life, all over the country, from  all walks of life, all over the country, from 1.30 to 5.30 on Saturday. However please be advised that it may take a little longer to achieve success since I will no longer be a Member of Parliament but many of my former Cabinet colleagues have  assured me that nothing will change.
 
On Friday May 24th 2013, a new weekly newspaper shall be launched – Sunshine Newspaper – designed to bring a new hope into your lives.

And come July 24th 2013 who knows, with your love, your support and your understanding, I shall be your MP again.
Title: Re: Official..NO MORE JACK!
Post by: congo on April 26, 2013, 10:27:22 AM
He is hoping to use parliament to slander ppl left, right and centre. :bs: :bs:

By declaring his seat vacant, he won't be sent to the privileges committee and he also can't be sued. I feel this is the reason for this particular move. I hope that I am wrong.
Title: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: fishs on April 30, 2013, 02:34:06 AM
Will Jack create history?

 It seems as if the UNC hierarchy has had enough of Jack and may not nominate him as the candidate for Chaguanas West.

 If this happens knowing Jack's personality he may quite likely run as an independant.
 Jack in the last election got over 19000 votes to the PNM candidates 1200.

 If he does run, will he create history by being the first independant since independance not to lose his deposit and Jacket  and win the seat?

 How will he use this to his benefit?

 Or will he migrate to Qatar or Russia?

Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: asylumseeker on April 30, 2013, 04:18:35 AM
... He already created history. And these days he creating "his story" fairly frequently.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: zuluwarrior on April 30, 2013, 05:06:51 AM
One thing i know for sure his appointment with the boggie man is real and he would not escape that.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: boss on April 30, 2013, 06:26:52 AM
It seems as if the UNC hierarchy has had enough of Jack and may not nominate him as the candidate for Chaguanas West.

Are you speculating or have you heard something?  :beermug:
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: AirMan on April 30, 2013, 06:56:21 AM
I still believe one day he will run for PM. Age will not stand in his way
Title: Re: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: D.H.W on April 30, 2013, 07:30:48 AM
I still believe one day he will run for PM. Age will not stand in his way

He will not win though
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: mal jeux on April 30, 2013, 09:05:47 AM
I still believe one day he will run for PM. Age will not stand in his way

He will not win though

don't be so quick to say so. one must consider that the sentiments here in regards to jw may not be the same with the general population. i wouldn't put doubt that we could even see him in the pnm.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: D.H.W on April 30, 2013, 09:18:49 AM
I still believe one day he will run for PM. Age will not stand in his way

He will not win though

don't be so quick to say so. one must consider that the sentiments here in regards to jw may not be the same with the general population. i wouldn't put doubt that we could even see him in the pnm.

The General population as far as i have seen does not support Warner only his supporters. He would still need to get more votes than UNC and PNM. Dont see that happening. Assuming he forms his own party
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Bourbon on May 01, 2013, 08:45:44 AM
I think most people either fall into two categories:

1) Outright disgust for Warner
2) Willingness to tolerate

As an aside to (2) there are those who see him as doing no wrong....and those who may acknowledge he may have done wrong but "he does get tings done" blah blah blah.


And it a much larger pool of people than many people care to admit. And my stance on Jack Warner known long time.


So...what could or would happen in my view?

He outlived his UNC usefulness and its known. They may try to cast him aside.....but the consequences of that remain to be seen.

Would he be returned as the candidate? Not likely in my view..especially given statements by Moonilal and KPB.

Would he succeed as an independent? It possible....and then again...would or could it matter in the context of a bye election? 28-12-1 isnt a threat to the government. Would it matter in 2 years when the next General Elections due? Well in my view thats where it gets interesting.

It hardly likely that the PNM expects to win this seat..and even if they do its only for now. So this is a straight battle between UNC and Warner. Winning the seat may give him wider political mileage...and then possibly form his own party. How widely accepted would a Warner party be? I hope not..but....sadly....there seems to be enough people with the thinking that would be willing to take a chance with that.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Brownsugar on May 01, 2013, 09:55:46 AM
I hope not..but....sadly....there seems to be enough people with the thinking that would be willing to take a chance with that.

Yes boy, it sad, confuffling, maddening and worrisome all rolled into one......
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: fishs on May 01, 2013, 10:12:34 AM
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Jack Warner’s intention to contest his own by-election will pose for the United National Congress one of its biggest challenges in the after-wash of the Warner-Concacaf-resignation-firing affair. Can the UNC accept Warner’s return candidacy, having ditched him as someone allegedly internationally tainted by corruption?

 

“How it go look” if the UNC were to agree to put a candidate in the Parliament, who, by the acceptance of the Prime Minister of the Warner resignation, implicitly and tacitly agreed with the findings and conclusions of the Sir David Simmons Integrity Committee report? If the party endorses Warner’s candidacy it will automatically disqualify it from being an advocate of transparency, integrity in public life and all the other accepted high standards of behaviour its leadership usually swears by in the public arena.

 

Further, if the UNC were to bow to the pressure of Warner to have him reinstated through its screening process, that would surely demonstrate publicly that Prime Minister Persad-Bissessar, notwithstanding her recent protest to the contrary, is a supplicant of Warner, afraid that he could “buss ah mark.”

 

But there are no easy options for the political leader and her cabal. If Warner’s candidacy, which he says the prime minister already agreed to and according to him, told him that “I shall win,” is blocked, he can even more fundamentally impact the UNC.

 

If he is rejected by the UNC screening committee, Warner can easily get his constituents to urge him to contest the by-election as an independent. It would be a numbing political blow for the UNC if Warner were to contest as an independent and win a UNC heartland seat against a candidate of the party.

 

That would amount to an “outsider,” one who is not organically linked to the UNC core, waltzing into ancestral territory and spanking the party’s hierarchy; no amount of spin-doctoring will heal such a wound, and on the eve of local government polls with national elections just a deep political breath away.

 

But then again, because of the complex factors involved on all sides in this Machiavellian drama, it is possible for Warner to be persuaded by the weight of plots and counter-plots to go quietly and plant rice in Todd’s Road or wherever he has an open field.

 

 

But given his mercurial nature, or as described by the Court for Sport Arbitration, as an individual whose statements and actions “are marked by manifest and frequent inconsistency,” the former MP could call another Straight Talk session, this time with total focus on the “lurkers” to speak frankly about those who “continue to be consumed by hatred for each other as we (in the party) have practised in the past.”

 

Nonetheless, to endorse Warner’s candidacy yield would allow Warner re-entry to the UNC MP fold and open the party to serious division and destabilisation as he Warner will assuredly seek “hand in hand (with his constituents of Chaguanas West) to set right all the wrongs that have been committed.”

 

They (the leadership of the UNC) must all be quite aware of the capacity of Warner to influence dramatic change in the party. It was he, Warner, who did what many desired but did not have the testicular fortitude and political savvy to undertake, that is to get rid of Basdeo Panday from the party he created.

 

It was Warner who formed one part of the “Ram-Jack” demolition squad that carried out the palace coup on Panday, placed Kamla in charge, overnight rescued this “woman no cry” from being trampled upon by the bull elephants and performed the eventual coup de grace—political leader of a five-party coalition and Prime Minister of T&T.

 

That is bewildering, heady stuff even for a man whose political teeth were cut in Fifa, which we know is not a Sunday school. The message must be to the Prime Minister and her cabal (and one million denials of its existence will not change that) that they are tangling with an enemy not short of resources, political grassroots support and inventiveness. 

 

But maybe the UNC cabal is placing bets and some governmental resources on an option that will free it for good of the Warner factor. What if, from the corridors of government, there is assistance to international authorities who may want to have a word with Austin Jack Warner on a few of the matters contained in the Concacaf Integrity Committee report?

 

That would be the ideal and there are doubtless many at the highest level in the UNC and in government hoping for, perhaps even deliberately working towards, engendering it into reality. Such a possible outcome would immediately free the UNC from having to decide on Warner as a possible candidate and would lend credence to the Prime Minister’s decision to accept the resignation of her great political benefactor.

 

Three months is an eternity in politics; more so given the dynamic nature of the matters involved and the fact that the only portion of the iceberg (usually the far smaller portion of the whole) is so far visible.
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Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Deeks on May 01, 2013, 04:15:33 PM
i wouldn't put doubt that we could even see him in the pnm.

I don't see that happening. But I eh living in TT, so I don't know what Jumbi umbrella Trini eating.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: royal on May 01, 2013, 08:07:20 PM
Jack has his own script and it going to plan.The key is if the UNC could convince the electorate it distance itself from him because you know de PNM using this for the next general election. 
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: D.H.W on May 01, 2013, 08:38:31 PM
You all keep forgetting the US government has him under investigation. Im not sure he will come out of that one if formally charged.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: fishs on May 02, 2013, 12:54:21 AM
Bas: Kamla can’t put back Jack
By Anna Ramdass anna.ramdass@trinidadexpress.com

Story Created: May 1, 2013 at 9:54 PM ECT

(Story Updated: May 1, 2013 at 10:55 PM ECT )

Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar would be contradicting herself if she allows former Government minister Jack Warner to contest the Chaguanas West by-election.

Former prime minister and ex-leader of the United National Congress (UNC) Basdeo Panday, speaking with the Express by phone yesterday, said that he could not see how Persad-Bissessar and the party could agree to Warner running for the seat as he has not yet cleared his name.

Persad-Bissessar and the UNC executive are scheduled to meet today at Rienzi Complex, Couva to discuss the issue.

Panday noted that the Prime Minister accepted Warner’s resignation following a Concacaf Integrity Committee report which found that he was fraudulent in his management of the entity during his presidency.

Warner’s move to resign as the Chaguanas West MP, said Panday, was a game of distraction.

“It seems to me that what he’s (Warner) trying to do really is to divert attention away from all these allegations that are being made against him, but the party is in a quandary because as far as I am aware from reading the papers the political leader has said she accepted his resignation because of the Concacaf report,” said Panday.

“If that is the case I don’t know how she can agree that he contest the by-election on a UNC ticket, I think that will be a contradiction if they do that,” he added.

Questioned on whether he believes the people of Chaguanas West would be loyal to party or to person, Panday said the electorate will soon decide.

However, he noted that when Warner received an overwhelming 19,000 votes in the 2010 general election, the people voted for party.

“They certainly were loyal to party because at that time Warner was not very well known either for good or bad,” said Panday.

Panday said he did not think that Warner has enough support to re-win the seat.

“What Mr Warner has around him is a group that feeds off his trough and those are the people who always come out and rally around and so on. I don’t know if that is enough to win an election, I don’t think so,” said Panday.

The Chaguanas West seat, said Panday, will be one to watch.

“The PNM will be putting up somebody, there will be independents, Chaguanas West has been a very volatile seat really and its composition has changed a lot over the years and anything can happen in Chaguanas,” said Panday.

He added that it was clear that the Prime Minister recognised that this country’s reputation was being damaged internationally and nationally over the continuous negative reports with respect to Warner’s tenure as Concacaf president and FIFA vice-president.

The Express understands that the UNC was looking at other candidates who can put up a fight against Warner to reclaim the seat.

Questioned on whether his daughter Mickela, former Oropouche West MP, was contacted, Panday said he was not aware and as far as he was concerned she is a “fiercely independent young woman who will make her own decisions”.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: sammy on May 02, 2013, 10:41:59 AM
Well if he wins his seat, it may open up the avenues for more independents to run come election time-  This may not be a bad thing as it could lead to better representation.

PNM have real belly if they accept warner, but mind u, pnmites done calling in on radio and 'feeling sorry' for jack as a black man getting sidelined from the UNC.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: D.H.W on May 02, 2013, 11:25:24 AM
Lol black crook
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Socapro on May 02, 2013, 12:16:13 PM
Well if he wins his seat, it may open up the avenues for more independents to run come election time-  This may not be a bad thing as it could lead to better representation.

PNM have real belly if they accept warner, but mind u, pnmites done calling in on radio and 'feeling sorry' for jack as a black man getting sidelined from the UNC.
If PNM even entertain the idea of accepting Jack Warner as a candidate then they are on a road to political suicide after all the recent gains.
Jack Warner should be put out to pasture and does not belong in politics or football.
Someone should bring Jack a Jackass so he can ride off into the sunset with whatever dignity he has left!  :beermug:
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Tallman on May 02, 2013, 08:20:59 PM
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Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: E-man on May 03, 2013, 09:56:10 AM
Serious campaign in progress already
https://www.facebook.com/jackwarnertt

good luck  ::)
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Michael-j on May 04, 2013, 06:55:38 AM
UNC rejects Jack for by-election
Vasant tipped for seat...

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/UNC-rejects-Jack--for-by-election-206052071.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/UNC-rejects-Jack--for-by-election-206052071.html)

By Anna Ramdass anna.ramdass@trinidadexpress.com
Story Created: May 3, 2013 at 9:38 PM ECT


Jack Warner will be standing alone in his bid to be re-elected as the Chaguanas West MP.

The by-election in Chaguanas West is set to be a heated one as former government minister and United National Congress (UNC) chairman Warner will not receive party approval to re-contest and will have to go it as an independent candidate.

Party sources told the Express yesterday that Trade Minister Vasant Bharath, who is also an adviser to the UNC executive, is being considered to run for the by-election, following Warner’s resignation as MP on April 26.

Bharath, who is on official business in Guyana, told the Express he was not aware of this and he has not been approached.

However, when asked if he would accept if requested, Bharath said he was certain the best decisions in the interest of the par­ty and the people will be made.

Warner, in a brief interview with the Express, said he preferred to speak tomorrow when he officially launches his re-election campaign.

Warner will kick off his campaign with a motorcade starting at 1 p.m at the Caroni Bird Sanctuary, followed by a public meeting in Felicity.

While the Chaguanas West constituency executive and hundreds of constituents came out in full force and support of War­ner last week Thursday at a public meeting in Pierre Road, Fe­­li­city, it remains to be seen whe­ther the show of strength will continue.

Sources told the Express that correspondence and communication went out, informing activists and supporters, as well as constituency executives, MPs and party members, to distance themselves from Warner’s campaign.

On Thursday, the UNC executive, led by Prime Minister and UNC political leader Kamla Persad-Bissessar, held a meeting at Rienzi Complex, Couva, to discuss the issue.

Sources told the Express that concerns were raised about War­­ner re-contesting the seat on a UNC ticket, given the fact that his name was not yet cleared on matters pertaining to his tenure at football bodies FIFA and Concacaf.

Warner resigned as National Security Minister and UNC party chairman, as well as Chaguanas West MP, following the disclosure of a Concacaf integrity committee report in Panama which found he was fraudulent in his management of Concacaf as the organisation’s president.

Warner, at his public meeting in Felicity last week, had already hinted he was prepared to go it alone should he not get the support of the UNC.

In a clear anticipation of rejection by party authorities to contest the seat for the UNC, War­ner’s advertisement campaign has now excluded the party logo and colours.

The Express understands that disciplinary action can be taken against Warner should he run as an independent candidate.

It would be a breach if the party approves one candidate to contest the seat and another par­ty member challenges that candidate.

The Express was told that War­ner will continue with his campaign and is determined to maintain his representation of the people of Chaguanas West.

In 2010, Warner received an overwhelming 19,000 votes for the Chaguanas West seat in the general election, the highest obtained.

Another bone of contention is the signal by the Congress of the People (COP) that they, too, desire to contest the Chaguanas West seat.

The COP has its party operations centre based in Charlieville.

On Wednesday, former prime minister and ex-UNC leader Basdeo Panday told the Express it would be a contradiction if Persad-Bissessar and the UNC exec­utive allow Warner to contest the Chaguanas West by-election as his resignations as minister and party chairman were accepted by the Prime Minister, following the Concacaf report against him.

The Chaguanas West constituency seat will officially be declared vacant by House Speaker Wade Mark when Parliament sits next Friday.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: mukumsplau on May 04, 2013, 07:29:43 AM
jack is in for a rude awakening when he runs as an independent
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: E-man on May 04, 2013, 09:37:40 AM
UNC rejects Jack for by-election
Vasant tipped for seat...



buh.. "I am UNC!" https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151358081951780

Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: AB.Trini on May 05, 2013, 09:31:19 AM
Like leaders with the initials J have a blind faithful following. See Jim Jines----- It appears many in Trinidad have drunk the Kool aid administered by another leader with the initial J; Now they have  dedicated their souls to the order of the 'ASSES' with the prefix of their leader's name ahead of the order.

Some would proclaim him a 'legendary figure in the guise of a Robin Hood some would also say that Satan followers  are acceptable. However it never ceases to amaze me that there is a blind adoration for leaders who are ethically  detached, morally questionable and blatantly manipulative of the ignorant masses.

What lessons are we imparting on our youths when they are seeing that to be a leader one can live a lie, cheat and  support others as long as before the law you don't get caught. PEOPLE WAKE UP WAKE UP.

Then again if one lives in a den of thieves and  thrives on their support then long live the biggest crook of them all.!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: weary1969 on May 06, 2013, 08:42:34 AM
jack is in for a rude awakening when he runs as an independent

ENTTTTT
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Bourbon on May 06, 2013, 08:38:21 PM
jack is in for a rude awakening when he runs as an independent

ENTTTTT


Actually.

He might win.

Nothing really at stake for the seat...the result of this election doh matter rather than give leverage to the winner.

If it was a general election and the tribal base being stoked....well.....then.....
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: fishs on May 06, 2013, 10:29:06 PM
jack is in for a rude awakening when he runs as an independent

ENTTTTT


Actually.

He might win.

Nothing really at stake for the seat...the result of this election doh matter rather than give leverage to the winner.

If it was a general election and the tribal base being stoked....well.....then.....


I think it will have some big bacchanal.

If Jack dont get picked by UNC and he run as an independant then the UNC will have to expel him.

If Jack get expel from the UNC he not going to take it lightly, in response the UNC or PP goverment will go after him with all the corruption issues.

Or on the other hand they could explain to him the consequences if he continue the course an give him a post of industrial court judge or something.

I like the first doh looking forward to the PP bacchanal
Title: Re: Jack Warner: a case of expanding the national security portfolio?
Post by: zuluwarrior on May 08, 2013, 07:07:03 AM




Army official sheds more light on new unit Flying Squad was on drug exercise
Published:


Wednesday, May 8, 2013



Anika Gumbs-Sandiford
 

Mervyn Cordner

Former national security minister Jack Warner denied up to the last that he had any knowledge of the existence of the New Flying Squad Investigations Unit (NFSIU) but new information shows members of the unit were part of a joint air-surveillance exercise by the National Security Operations Centre (NSOC) and T&T Air Guard (TTAG)
 
 
 
 
 
Continued T&T Guardian investigations into the secret revival of the NFSIU revealed that NFSIU members were part of the surveillance of marijuana fields in various areas of east Trinidad on October 5, 2012, along with police and members of the T&T Regiment’s first and second battalion (infantry). The exercise was arranged after NFSIU members received a tip-off about the marijuana fields in east Trinidad, worth an estimated $1 million.
 
 
 
The information, T&T Guardian learned, was handed over to retired coast guard lieutenant commander and NSOC director Garvin Heerah by NFSIU head Mervyn Cordner. How members of the NFSIU ended up aboard a helicopter which falls under the auspices of the Ministry of National Security without Warner’s knowledge is unknown but a Defence Force official confirmed to the T&T Guardian that two members of the NFSIU were part of the exercise.
 
 
 
“We had an exercise in the hot-spot area in the east,” said one, who did not want to be named for fear of being reprimanded. “It included joint air support from the NSOC and the TTAG. It was a surveillance exercise. The exercise was on October 5, 2012, involving police and members of the army.” Asked specifically if members of the NFSIU were part of the exercise, the official first replied: “What about the NFSIU you are asking?”
 
 
 
Told the T&T Guardian had obtained a copy of the report that showed NFSIU members were part of the exercise, the official then said: “Yes, but you know I prefer not to comment about that.” NFSIU members were picked up at Camp Cumuto in Wallerfield for the exercise.
 
 
 
Afterwards a report was submitted to Warner and Heerah by retired police inspector Mervyn Cordner, who claimed he was recalled by Warner to head the NFSIU. The report recommended that surveillance equipment should be installed close to the marijuana fields, after their destruction, to keep a watch on the area.
 
 
 
“The NFS team has observed that when these fields are destroyed and the officers move out of the area, the fields are replanted. We can acquire technology to place cameras in the forest to photograph and record the planters,” the report pointed out. Neither NSOC director Heerah, who assisted with the rental of eight vehicles for the NFSIU, nor Warner, who has since resigned as national security minister, responded to text messages about the surveillance exercise.
 
 
 
And while acting Commissioner of Police Stephen Williams has dismissed claims by Cordner that the NFSIU helped police in fighting crime, T&T Guardian investigations continue to reveal otherwise. Commenting briefly on the exercise last week, Cordner only said: “Everything is going to come out bit by bit, no matter how Jack Warner tries to deny the existence of the NFSIU.
 
 
 
“We did not know when the eradication exercise took place. We were not part of that exercise. We were part of the surveillance exercise and assisted in obtaining the information about the high-grade marijuana fields in the east.” He added: “There was much more surveillance work to be done but the police acted quickly. The police were informed of everything we did.”
 
 
 
Cordner also reiterated that the NFSIU was instrumental in helping solve the murder of Chinese couple Yang Jiang Hua and Wu Xia Hua, who were shot dead last July at their family’s home and business place, Tiger’s Chinese Restaurant, Cunupia. Cordner’s claims are corroborated by businessman Richard Koorn, owner of Donrich Security Kennels, Factory Road, Golden Grove, Arouca, where the NFSIU operated for four months last year until being shut down because of lack of funding.
 
 
 
The NFSIU was reportedly secretly revived in July last year, months after Warner signalled his intention to do so. The original Flying Squad was first formed in the 1970s but was disbanded in 1980 after former police commissioner Randolph Burroughs was charged with conspiracy to murder. Warner hinted at the possibility of bringing back a “sanitised version” of the squad last year but did not give a time frame.
 
 
 
The Police Complaints Authority has started investigations into the revival of the NFSIU. Statements have been taken from Cordner and several other NFSIU members. Koorn is expected to meet with PCA officials to relate his involvement with the NFSIU. 


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Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
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Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Bourbon on May 13, 2013, 05:30:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/8TllTzIjWgw
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Jah Gol on May 13, 2013, 07:56:03 PM
A few observations about Jack:

Jack began campaigning same weekend he resigned .

The villain he has targeted is Suruj and some unnamed others.

He has pledged continued support for KPB and the UNC

Warner commands massive support evidenced by the crowds, motorcade and public opinion polls.

He continues to enjoy significant media attention , free of charge.

Jack is attempting to influence the date of the election and subtly exploit divisions by requesting the election to be held outside of Ramadan.

He has also continuously been hinting about certain options he has if he's isn't selected as the UNC candidate.


KPB and the UNC


She has been happy to avoid any questions on elections and Warner altogether .

Moonilal and Suruj have also been uncharacteristically reticent on Warner.

The UNC has not started campaigning at all

The EBC has declared it would be prepared to preside over both the by-election and the local government elections on the same day. The UNC could very possibly play this card as it would help their campaign.

When questioned about the possibility of Warner running as an independent KPB said there were provisions in the UNC for expulsion of members in such circumstances. It was hilarious to see the PM and political leader of the UNC have to refer to Tim Gopeesingh standing behind her like her guardian  to confirm her response to the question.



I don't think this is a straight forward election at all. Conventional wisdom in T&T dictates that party beats candidate every time. The party is pinning all its hopes on this wisdom. Jack has some factors benefitting him now though partly because he has already created history by his current action. The fact that he is first to market is attracting even further media coverage.  Conversely the widespread support he has makes it difficult to gauge how much of it is from registered voters in Chaguanas West.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: asylumseeker on May 14, 2013, 05:47:57 AM
... It should be a straightforward election but space has been created to expand the possibilities and make it more intriguing. It would be efficient to have both elections simultaneously ... although, it shouldn't happen.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: sammy on May 17, 2013, 09:25:46 PM
oh gawd.....somebody help me embed this man

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

http://youtu.be/8TllTzIjWgw
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Brownsugar on May 18, 2013, 05:33:20 AM
Boy I nearly dead the first time I saw it......it have real idle people out there yes.....
Title: Jack Warner gave firetruck deal before approval
Post by: Flex on June 05, 2013, 02:01:04 AM
Jack gave firetruck deal before approval
Anika Gumbs-Sandiford (Guardian
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CABINET SAID NO TWICE

Cabinet twice refused to sign off on the whopping $10 million quotation originally submitted for removing the firetruck involved in an accident last November.

That original reluctance appears to have been justified, as other wrecking companies yesterday estimated the cost for such a job at $50,000 at most. T&T Guardian learned the recommendation was submitted to the Ministry of National Security on November 22 by former chief fire officer Carl Williams on the basis of a technical assessment.

The water tender from the Arima Fire Station was responding to a report in Blanchisseuse when it ran off the road, plunging over a 300-foot cliff, a T&T Guardian exclusive reported yesterday. On the basis of Williams’s recommendation, the line minister at the time, Jack Warner, took a note to Cabinet for approval. However, some ministers objected to the cost and approval was withheld at two Cabinet meetings.

Ministry officials yesterday told T&T Guardian that Cabinet eventually approved a revised price of $6.8 million for retrieving the truck. The approval, however, was granted in December—some weeks after the job had already been done. Documents obtained by the T&T Guardian yesterday showed the Rosenbauer water tender was bought in 2006 for $2,236,275.35. Contacted yesterday, Williams said: “I am on pre-retirement leave. Please call me back at 4 pm.”

However, later phone calls went directly to his voice mail. A senior government minister said yesterday: “The former minister submitted a note for cover approval. “In the first two instances, approval was not granted because concerns were raised about the price. But because the work was completed, approval was eventually granted. Concerns were raised.”

Permanent Secretary in the National Security Ministry Jennifer Boucaud-Blake, who is in the United Kingdom at present, has distanced herself from any involvement, saying she is not authorised to approve spending over $1 million. Acting Chief Fire Officer Nayar Rampersad, contacted yesterday, said a report was expected to be submitted to current line minister Emmanuel George next week, to determine if it was cost-effective to repair the water tender.

The truck is currently parked at the Chaguanas Fire Station as investigations continue.

Other estimates: $25-$50,000

Owners of other wrecking companies were yesterday shocked at the bill for retrieving the firetruck. The head of the company that retrieved the truck, Ramdath Ramsubir, of Sammy’s Multilift Services Ltd, is insisting that the cost is “justified.” Sammy’s Multilift Services is a subsidiary of Junior Sammy Contractors.

The T&T Guardian was referred to two companies that specialise in removing heavy equipment: Chiney Wrecking Services, owned by Larry Mohan, and Fyzam Garage 24hr Wrecking Service. Both are south-based and have been in business for over 20 years. Yesterday, the owners said they were at a loss as to what would have contributed to such a hefty price.

Mohan scoffed at the $6 million price tag, saying: “It could have cost nowhere near that. “We have been in the wrecking business over 25 years, and did several jobs like that in Maracas,” he said. “That job will cost no more than $50,000, and that is the maximum. “We have equipment to move heavy vehicles like that and I am sure we could have pulled it out. “In no part of the world could it ever happen...The vehicle is not even valued at that price.

“For a crane to pick it up means that it was not in such a bad area. If it was in a dangerous place, a crane could not even reach there. Two wreckers could have pulled out the water tender.” Fyzam Ali said based on his calculations, he would have charged a mere $25,000 for the job. Ali, the owner of Fyzam Garage, said after he read the report in yesterday’s T&T Guardian, he tried to calculate an estimated cost and was unable to arrive at the figure of $6.5 million.

“The most I will say is $25,000,” Ali said. Told that the water tender had plunged down 300 feet over a precipice and three cranes were used to retrieve it, Ali replied: “It was to make the work look big. “They could have bought a new water tender and leave that one there,” he said. “I am shocked. That is too much money. I have been in the business for 30 years and no job has ever cost $6 million—not even close. "I think somebody is mad.”

Breakdown of the $10 million bill:

In the recommendation he submitted to Warner, Williams gave a breakdown of the proposed $10 million bill. It listed:

Mobilisation and demobilisation fee
Excavators
Heavy-haul extended trailer-track truck
Lighting towers
Rigging equipment
Crane mats
Safety officers
Project managers
Riggers
Hygienic facilities

Title: Re: Jack Warner gave firetruck deal before approval
Post by: Socapro on June 05, 2013, 04:25:58 AM
More bobol & wasting of tax payers money!  :bs:
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Bourbon on July 01, 2013, 10:04:51 PM
Well in case yuh didnt know from before I go give yuh some cliff notes:

Jack get blank....Khadijah Ameen named as the UNC candidate for Chaguanas West.

Jack weighing options. I hear he starting a new party...color is green...but I eh see no article to confirm.


But...from dis...de bouncing start:

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/PM-Warner-refused-to-travel-213923561.html

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ack Warner refused to travel on Government business and had too many controversies hanging over his head to be selected as the UNC’s candidate to contest the Chaguanas West by-election, Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar said last night.

Persad-Bissessar, speaking at the party’s Monday Night Forum at the Vishnu Boys’ Hindu School, Caroni for the first time explained to the people why Warner could not be supported by her and her Government.

His imbroglio with FIFA and the “Flying Squad” were two of the issues which she named that haunted Warner.

“While he sat in the Cabinet as a Minister of National Security, he refused to travel on Government business on several occasions,” she said.

“These included matters where the Minister of National Security would have been required to attend whether it be in Washington, Toronto, New York and even Haiti,” she added.


Warner, she noted, resigned on his own volition following matters related to FIFA and which to date he has not provided evidence to refute.

“You cannot separate those matters from his position as a Minister since it has the potential to do irreparable damage to the government and the image of our country,” she said.


“No one asked him to resign. Recognising the magnitude of what was revealed in the Ethics Committee report from Panama, he offered his resignation as Minister of National Security and, I accepted, as is my right,” she said.

Warner, she said, is the subject of a police investigation into the establishment of an alleged Flying Squad at the Ministry of National Security.

Warner, she said, admitted that both he and his family are the subject of an enquiry by the Government of the US into a range of corporate white collar criminal offences under federal jurisdiction in the US.

“I have said that should he clear his name, he will be re-instated,” she said.

“Serious statements have been made about this matter by those close to it and which statements are also in the public domain,” she added.

“I am not prepared to burden you with a candidate with all these issues unresolved and in a situation where he had no reason to resign as a Member of Parliament,” said Persad-Bissessar.


“The matters involving him are clearly not limited to Chaguanas West – they involve the nation,” she added.

The UNC, she said, cannot support Warner under the current circumstances.

“Further legal challenges can embarrass the country, the government and you, the people of Chaguanas West,” she said.

Persad-Bissessar said Warner never consulted any institutions of the UNC before his resignations.

“Unilaterally, he returned one of the safest UNC seats that had been given to him on a platter by the UNC and now, he asks you to vote him back. I consider this to be disrespect for the party and for you and, who is to say whether such behaviour would not be repeated in the future,” she said.


Noting that Warner will be holding a public meeting in Felicity on Friday to announce his move, Persad-Bissessar said why did he not go to the people before.

“Where is the loyalty to the party that gave birth to his political career and more so, loyalty to you, members of the UNC and the Partnership,” she said.

“He claims that he is seeking validation.”

The Prime Minister stressed that she stands on the side of public integrity, accountability, credibility and transparency.


“The former MP abandoned you and abandoned the party,” she said.

A stone’s throw away, Warner held a cottage meeting at the Caroni Community Centre where he declared he will be contesting the by-election and come July 29 there will be change.

“Anyone who stands against the UNC stands against every single one of you and every single one of us! United we stand divided we fall,’ said Persad-Bissessar.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: fishs on July 01, 2013, 10:17:58 PM

 Right the battle lines drawn .

The only bad thing is whoever win yuh know the tiefing continuing.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Deeks on July 01, 2013, 10:46:07 PM
If she used to read socawarriors.net, she would have known Jack was hot coals. Rowley used to read our comments and told them in parliament that Jack was damaged goods. He told them is either Jack serve the government or FIFA. Nah, they say Rowley head full of rocks. Well allyuh, take bwah!!!
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Bakes on July 01, 2013, 11:11:39 PM
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The Prime Minister stressed that she stands on the side of public integrity, accountability, credibility and transparency.

This must'a been accompanied by a laugh track... hadda be.
Title: BLOWS FOR JACK
Post by: Flex on July 02, 2013, 02:02:01 AM
BLOWS FOR JACK
By Newsday Staff Tuesday, July 2 2013


IN A clear parting of ways, Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar last night described her former UNC colleague and one-time trusted lieutenant Jack Warner as being disrespectful and disloyal to the Government, party and people of Chaguanas West.

Warner was disloyal and disrespectful, she said, when he took a decision by himself — without consulting anyone in the party and anyone in Chaguanas West — to resign as a Cabinet member, as chairman of the UNC and as MP for Chaguanas West.

Speaking before a noisy and energised crowd at the party’s Monday Night Forum at the Vishnu Boys Hindu College, Caroni, Persad-Bissessar did not hold back any political punches as she called on supporters not to split votes but rather to remain united behind the party’s candidate for the July 29 Chaguanas West bye-election, Khadijah Ameen.

“The question has been asked, why did I accept the resignation of the former Member of Parliament for Chaguanas West.

“Let me tonight indicate that whenever it becomes necessary for me as your Prime Minister to act, so as to protect the integrity of Government or take action to ensure the principles and values which you supported in 2010 remain intact, I have acted fearlessly in the national interest,” Persad-Bissessar said.

She told the gathering that it was Warner who by his own personal choice, resigned as a member of Cabinet over allegations of financial impropriety when he was a member of world football governing body FIFA.

“His decision to resign from his seat and as chairman of the UNC was taken unilaterally. No institutions of the party, of which he was chairman, were consulted. No one asked him to resign,” Persad-Bissessar said.

“He returned one of the safest UNC seats that was given to him on a platter by the UNC and now, he asks you to vote him back! I consider this to be disrespect for the party and for you the constituents of Chaguanas West,” she declared.

“He now says that he wants to consult you on Friday, as to the direction he should take. I ask the question, why did he not consult you before he did what he did? Where is the loyalty to the party that gave birth to his political career and more so, loyalty to you, members of the UNC and the Partnership?” (See page 5)

Jack under police probe

Persad-Bissessar said Warner is the subject of a police investigation into the establishment of an alleged Flying Squad at the Ministry of National Security. “Serious statements have been made about this matter by those close to it and which statements are also in the public domain,” she said.

Persad-Bissessar said Warner had “admitted” that both he and his family are subject of an inquiry by the US Government into allegations of white collar crime. “I have said that should he clear his name, he will be reinstated. The party cannot support a candidate under the current circumstances. Further legal challenges can embarrass the country, the Government and you, the people of Chaguanas West,” she said.

Persad-Bissessar revealed that while Warner sat in Cabinet as Minister of National Security, he refused to travel overseas on Government business on several occasions. These included, she said, matters where the Minister of National Security would have been required to attend whether it be in Washington, Toronto, New York and even Haiti.

“Why didn’t he seek your validation to resign? An action which has put us in this predicament.

Here we are tonight, putting energies into a campaign rather than putting more energies into building a country. I stand on the side of public integrity, accountability, credibility and transparency,” she said.

“None of this has been easy for me to tell you tonight but you have asked for answers and I am, as I always strive to do, share the reasons behind my decision. The former MP abandoned you and abandoned the party!”

She then deviated from her prepared speech to reveal publicly for the first time that in the UNC internal elections of 2010, Ameen was on Persad-Bissessar’s Star Slate for the position of party chairman.

“But we decided to take a different tact. I felt we had to do something else to bring more people into the party’s executive. I met Khadijah and she signed a document withdrawing her name from the slate for the position of party chairman,” she disclosed.

“I share this with you because I want to show you what a totally dedicated and loyal and hard working person Khadijah is. She never spoke about this in public. She never cried out, ‘oh gosh why they do me this for?’, she never picked up her marbles and dollies and walked away.

“She never went and formed her own party or ran as an independent. She trusted our party and she remained loyal. And this is the kind of candidate who is now asking for your vote,” Persad-Bissessar said, as Ameen smiled and looked at Persad-Bissessar while she spoke.

The Prime Minister described Ameen’s elevation as acting chairman as “poetic justice”.

“And today she is the candidate for Chaguanas West and will be the next MP for this constituency!”

She hit the Opposition PNM for being hypocritical by describing the People’s Partnership as anti-worker but when it was in power, kept the minimum wage at $9 an hour from 2003 to 2010. The minimum wage is today $12.50 an hour.

She said the PNM, when in power, suppressed the trade union movement but as it is now out of government, is teaming up with the Joint Trade Union Movement to march to Port-of-Spain on July 5. She accused the joint trade union movement of, “carrying on with a clearly political agenda to try and destabilise your democratically elected government!”

She described this Friday’s march by the trade union movement as being tainted. “That march is not a labour march for the rights of workers. That march is an attack on your government. It is designed to overthrow your constitutionally elected government and threaten all of the foreign leaders who will be here for the annual Caricom Heads of Government meeting. Shame on them!” she thundered.

She called on all “right thinking” and “patriotic citizens” to not march on Friday with the PNM and joint trade union movement. Persad-Bissessar urged the crowd to reject the politics of divisiveness and come July 29, be united as one to vote for Ameen.

Cops want all my emails, texts

Persad-Bissessar warned the gathering to not be surprised, “if the agents of the PNM”, conspire to take out warrants to search her home or the homes of other Government officials, under the guise of investigating email allegations which were raised by Opposition and PNM leader Dr Keith Rowley in Parliament.

She reiterated that everyone in Government including herself is fully committed to cooperating with the police in the probe, but questioned why is it, the police are insisting on cloning every bit of information contained in her cellular phone and laptop, when the scope of the investigation is only for September of last year.

“You talk of emails in September, so why do you want my entire life story? Why do you want to see my life story? Of everybody who sent me texts or emails. That will invade not just the privacy of the Prime Minister but the privacy of every single citizen who sent messages to the Prime Minister including foreign dignitaries and heads of governments.”

“They want to copy every single thing. Why? I cannot as a responsible Prime Minister and leader breach the invasion of privacy of everyone who sent me a text or email. I want you to understand that I have nothing to hide. Which one of you here will allow somebody to clone your phone?

“Why do you want to see my husband’s text message, ‘Kamla you working too hard, come home and take a rest’. Or a text from my grandson, ‘Gramma, why you have to work every day?’

“Why do the police want to see everything in the AG’s devices which may have information on investigations involving even the police?

“I am warning you. I remain committed to cooperating with the police. I remain committed but they cannot go on a witch hunt and a wild goose chase. I have nothing to hide!”

She then had some pointed questions for the police. “When someone planted cocaine in the water tank of (former UNC Government minister) Sadiq Baksh. Where is that investigation? Who did this? Have they held anyone?

“What about Calder Hart and Sunway? The Church in the Heights of Guanapo. Nothing! Where are the investigations into these matters?”

As she closed, the Prime Minister told the crowd, “Let us rise together and say with one voice, ‘behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!”

Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Flex on July 02, 2013, 02:04:04 AM
Warner goes ‘independent’: ‘I will show T&T good governance’
T&T Guardian Reports.


Former United National Congress (UNC) chairman and national security minister Jack Warner last evening surprised his supporters by announcing, days before time, that he would officially run as a candidate in the July 29 Chaguanas West by-election. Warner made the statement as he spoke to a group of supporters at the Caroni Community Centre,New Street, Caroni.

He said he was still undecided about how he would run as an independent or form his own party but said either way he would battle with the UNC’s Khadijah Ameen and the PNM’s Avinash Singh to represent his former constituents with a fresh mandate. “I have not decided if I would contest as an independent or form my own party,” he told the audience.

The one thing he had decided officially, he said, was that after tomorrow, he would no longer be wearing the yellow colours of the UNC. Instead, Warner will stage a walkabout through Caroni tomorrow and on Friday he will host a meeting at the Pierre Road Recreation Ground at 7 pm, when he will unveil his new colour—green. He admitted afterwards that a story in yesterday’s  T&T Guardian, in which UNC election officer Ramona Ramdial noted that he would be immediately expelled from the party if he chose to run against Ameen in the by-election, had motivated him to make his announcement early.

Warner had initially indicated he would announce his plans at Friday’s meeting.

Yesterday, he said he had decided to contest the by-election because he wanted to “show T&T what good governance was about”. Warner said he had visited the Elections and Boundaries Commission (EBC) to review his papers and said everything was in order. He said he has chosen a symbol and the colour green and urged his supporters to replace their yellow jerseys with green for Friday. He remained secretive on the symbol. Warner also knocked his opponents, Ameen and Singh, calling them “little children in a big people race”.

Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Brownsugar on July 02, 2013, 05:46:02 AM
Warner goes ‘independent’: ‘I will show T&T good governance’

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Hear nah, I now telling a friend we have to make a trek down Chag West sometime in the next 27 days.......I going because that level of high grade entertainment is to be enjoyed live and direct.  Taking it een on TV just wont do......Jack City here I come!!!!!......
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Bourbon on July 02, 2013, 06:44:24 AM
Dis will be KICKS!!


Buh tactically now.

Assuming Jack get back his seat.
Chain up 8 other MPs to side with him.


What then?
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: weary1969 on July 02, 2013, 09:20:16 AM
Dis will be KICKS!!


Buh tactically now.

Assuming Jack get back his seat.
Chain up 8 other MPs to side with him.


What then?


They eatin they food so he eh go get 8 but d Mad Man from St Joseph done say he supporting him. Y they eh expel him and have a by election in d marginal set of St Joseph.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: weary1969 on July 02, 2013, 09:24:27 AM
PM: Warner refused to travel
By Anna Ramdass

Jack Warner refused to travel on Government business and had too many controversies hanging over his head to be selected as the UNC’s candidate to contest the Chaguanas West by-election, Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar said last night.

Persad-Bissessar, speaking at the party’s Monday Night Forum at the Vishnu Boys’ Hindu School, Caroni for the first time explained to the people why Warner could not be supported by her and her Government.

His imbroglio with FIFA and the “Flying Squad” were two of the issues which she named that haunted Warner.

“While he sat in the Cabinet as a Minister of National Security, he refused to travel on Government business on several occasions,” she said.

“These included matters where the Minister of National Security would have been required to attend whether it be in Washington, Toronto, New York and even Haiti,” she added.

Warner, she noted, resigned on his own volition following matters related to FIFA and which to date he has not provided evidence to refute.

“You cannot separate those matters from his position as a Minister since it has the potential to do irreparable damage to the government and the image of our country,” she said.

“No one asked him to resign. Recognising the magnitude of what was revealed in the Ethics Committee report from Panama, he offered his resignation as Minister of National Security and, I accepted, as is my right,” she said.

Warner, she said, is the subject of a police investigation into the establishment of an alleged Flying Squad at the Ministry of National Security.

Warner, she said, admitted that both he and his family are the subject of an enquiry by the Government of the US into a range of corporate white collar criminal offences under federal jurisdiction in the US.

“I have said that should he clear his name, he will be re-instated,” she said.

“Serious statements have been made about this matter by those close to it and which statements are also in the public domain,” she added.

“I am not prepared to burden you with a candidate with all these issues unresolved and in a situation where he had no reason to resign as a Member of Parliament,” said Persad-Bissessar.

“The matters involving him are clearly not limited to Chaguanas West – they involve the nation,” she added.

The UNC, she said, cannot support Warner under the current circumstances.

“Further legal challenges can embarrass the country, the government and you, the people of Chaguanas West,” she said.

Persad-Bissessar said Warner never consulted any institutions of the UNC before his resignations.

“Unilaterally, he returned one of the safest UNC seats that had been given to him on a platter by the UNC and now, he asks you to vote him back. I consider this to be disrespect for the party and for you and, who is to say whether such behaviour would not be repeated in the future,” she said.

Noting that Warner will be holding a public meeting in Felicity on Friday to announce his move, Persad-Bissessar said why did he not go to the people before.

“Where is the loyalty to the party that gave birth to his political career and more so, loyalty to you, members of the UNC and the Partnership,” she said.

“He claims that he is seeking validation.”

The Prime Minister stressed that she stands on the side of public integrity, accountability, credibility and transparency.

“The former MP abandoned you and abandoned the party,” she said.

A stone’s throw away, Warner held a cottage meeting at the Caroni Community Centre where he declared he will be contesting the by-election and come July 29 there will be change.

“Anyone who stands against the UNC stands against every single one of you and every single one of us! United we stand divided we fall,’ said Persad-Bissessar.

Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Deeks on July 02, 2013, 10:06:50 AM
Kamla should have asked Jack Horner about the info Sw.net had on he father. She should have read the comments on this forum. Now she saying he can't travel. PP did not want we advice. Pay the devil, tweet,tweet!
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Dutty on July 02, 2013, 10:36:15 AM
Kamla should have asked Jack Horner about the info Sw.net had on he father. She should have read the comments on this forum. Now she saying he can't travel. PP did not want we advice. Pay the devil, tweet,tweet!

she eh say he can't travel....she say he refuse to travel :D
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: sammy on July 02, 2013, 11:25:15 AM
but hear this, if he win his seat, it could be a good thing in the broader perspective.

The PM told her people not to vote for individuals, but vote party. That there is everything that is wrong in T&T politics.
If Jack win, maybe more people may run as individuals and not as part of a party. This way, constituents can hold there MPs responsible for what they do.


Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: weary1969 on July 02, 2013, 11:38:44 AM
Kamla should have asked Jack Horner about the info Sw.net had on he father. She should have read the comments on this forum. Now she saying he can't travel. PP did not want we advice. Pay the devil, tweet,tweet!

she eh say he can't travel....she say he refuse to travel :D

That just shows who was in charge because if she was d boss he would have obeyed her instruction and travel.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: E-man on July 02, 2013, 11:26:56 PM
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Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Flex on July 03, 2013, 01:58:43 AM
KAMLA’S NEW SONG
As by-election draws closer, PM changes tune on Warner
By Ria Taitt Political Editor


The very things that Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar was warned about and came up with sterling defences for, with respect to former minister Jack Warner, are the same things she is now seeing “as terrible” and citing as reasons for not selecting him to carry the party’s banner in the Chaguanas West by-election.

So said Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley in an interview with the Express yesterday.

The Prime Minister, speaking at the United National Congress (UNC) Monday Night Forum at Vishnu Boys’ Hindu School, said Warner refused to travel on Government business and had too many controversies hanging over his head to be chosen as the UNC candidate.

His imbroglio with FIFA and the “Flying Squad” were two of the issues which she said haunted the former national security minister.

She said Warner admitted that both he and his family were the subject of an enquiry by the Government of the United States into a range of corporate white collar criminal offences under federal jurisdiction in the US.

“While he sat in the Cabinet as the national security minister he refused to travel on Government business on several occasions. These included matters where the minister of national security would have been required to attend, whether it be in Washington, Toronto, New York and even Haiti,” the Prime Minister noted.

“I am not prepared to burden you with a candidate with all these issues unresolved,” she added.

Rowley responded: “Nothing she (the Prime Minister) is saying to us is news about Jack Warner. It is confirmation to us about her irresponsible conduct as Prime Minister.”

Rowley said all the things which he raised about Warner, and which the Prime Minister did not see as a problem before, she was now pointing to potential embarrassment to the Government and people of this country.

“The Prime Minister is not fooling anybody in this country. Every finger she points at Jack Warner now on any of those issues, she as Prime Minister is personally responsible for having burdened the country with the stress of Jack Warner during this period because she was his biggest defender. She was the only person who could have appointed him to the Cabinet and she did not only appoint him to the Cabinet but, in the face of objections, she promoted him to National Security Minister.

“All these things she is raising about Jack Warner now, that she was vigorously defending (before), had Sir David Simmons (head of Concacaf’s integrity committee) not done FIFA’s work we would still have had Jack Warner because remember, she is telling her supporters ‘I didn’t fire him, he voluntarily left’.”

Rowley said if Warner didn’t leave voluntarily the Prime Minister would still happily have him in her Cabinet.

On the issue of Warner’s travel, Rowley recalled that he raised the issue of Warner being unable to travel at a public meeting in St James last year.

He said Warner said yes, he could travel and that he had gone to New York for a lime. Rowley said his office had contacted the President’s office to find out if Warner had left the country and the President’s office replied that it had no information about him leaving the country and there was no record of anyone being put to act for him.

“Once a minister is in post, as long as he leaves Trinidad and Tobago territorial waters, there has to be a replacement for him,” Rowley said.

Rowley said he had then asked the Prime Minister to state whether he left the country without informing her and/or without a replacement being put for him. She said the Prime Minister never responded to those matters.

“So what is she talking about now?” he said.

Rowley recalled that when there was the Caricom meeting in Haiti, held to treat with regional security issues, the Prime Minister, who was led head of security, attended without Warner “even though his job required him to be in Haiti”.

“She is now telling us why. But when we queried it, she sat there and heard him tell us that he was staying here to fight crime,” the PNM leader said, adding: “The man couldn’t even go Tobago fuss he was scared to go up in the air.

“She is now confirming to us what we know all along—that he was afraid to leave the country.

“She is now talking about his troubles at FIFA. Since when she had a problem with Jack Warner’s troubles at FIFA. ... They (the Government) were taking the position that that was FIFA’s business in the face of serious evidence and concerns. That was their mantra— ‘FIFA business was FIFA business and Government business was Government business’,” the Opposition Leader said.

“As Prime Minister it fell to her to treat with these issues as she is doing now... She chose to defend it...until he walked away voluntarily.”

Rowley said when the issue of Warner’s sons was raised, the Prime Minister said she made “polite enquiries” to find out whether the relatives of any member of her Cabinet were being investigated. “Well, she is no longer being polite now. Is water more than flour now. Is warfare!” Rowley quipped.

Notable Quotes from Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar:


The New Flying Squad Investigative Unit

(Statement made to Parliament on March 1, 2013)

“This issue has been attracting widespread public comment, including speculation and generating misleading conclusions by some.

Mr Warner has consistently denied that he was instrumental in establishing any new “flying squad”.

His report to the National Security Council reflected this.

    “As chairman of The National Security Council, I wish to emphasise that this course of action was taken at the very first meeting of the NSC upon receipt of written reports from the relevant Government officials.

   “Therefore I again repeat that there has been no direct or implied approval ever given by the National Security Council or by the Cabinet for the establishment of any such a unit.

   “ I have no knowledge of any such alleged activity. Mr Speaker, I want to make it clear these are allegations and this is why the NSC took the decision to refer it to the Commissioner of Police for investigation.”

The issue of a Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) probe into Jack Warner and his sons following a story from Reuters News Agency

March 27, 2013

“I will not rely on published reports in the media, but will again seek to get official corroboration of the information now in the public domain before making any determination or pronouncement.

   “It would be premature if not prejudicial for me to act without any official clarification or confirmation from the US Authorities on this controversial and sensitive matter. I am committed to upholding the high ethical standards which the public legitimately and rightly expects of my Government, but I am equally mindful that the commitment to the rule of law requires balance and respect for the presumption of innocence.”

Saturday, April 20, 2013:


Following the publication of the Concacaf Integrity Report which accused her then National Security Minister Jack Warner as a “white collar” crimes, Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar told CNC3 NEWS she was “shocked”.

   She said she would like to see the report before making any final judgment.

   “Natural justice demands that I see the report first,” she was quoted as saying.

   “Should these allegations be true, they tell a tale of a tragic scenario.” 

 

PM’s statement following Warner’s resignation

April 20, 2011

 

“I have today accepted the offer of resignation of the Minister of National Security, Mr Jack Warner from the Cabinet of the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago.
 

   “I wish to thank Mr Warner for his service to the Government and people of Trinidad and Tobago.”

Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Bourbon on July 03, 2013, 05:49:32 AM
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Jack: Only two things in life I would ever let you beat me in. A Beauty Contest and Basketball. Everything else I giving yuh hell like if yuh does play football.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Brownsugar on July 03, 2013, 06:00:41 AM
but hear this, if he win his seat, it could be a good thing in the broader perspective.

The PM told her people not to vote for individuals, but vote party. That there is everything that is wrong in T&T politics.
If Jack win, maybe more people may run as individuals and not as part of a party. This way, constituents can hold there MPs responsible for what they do.

Aye, doh get tie up.  Jack is the Dudus Coke of Chaguanas West.  That he was able to spend FIFA his money to buy these people is no guarantee any other individual is going to run as an independent and win an election any time soon.  I will only buy that if some one else in another constituency runs on his own and win because he/she works hard and doesn't need money to buy votes, THEN  I will agree with your sentiments.  Until then, is crapaud in a UNC or Balisier tie in we pweffen!!!.....
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Bourbon on July 03, 2013, 07:16:19 AM
I trying to figure out which way would be likely to trigger more scandal.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: zuluwarrior on July 03, 2013, 07:24:21 AM
I do not like jack but i would like him to win, jus to see what would happen next.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Bourbon on July 03, 2013, 07:34:40 AM
I do not like jack but i would like him to win, jus to see what would happen next.

Exactly. Dat option tempting. De ting is...would UNC humble and try to make peace cause they realize that it could be a costly battle?
Would he be motivated to make a play for further power?
What if he loses? Would he try to mash up everything out of bitterness and bussing of files?
Would he ride off quietly into the sunset?


WHAT COULD HAPPEN?
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: lefty on July 03, 2013, 07:59:10 AM
I do not like jack but i would like him to win, jus to see what would happen next.

Exactly. Dat option tempting. De ting is...would UNC humble and try to make peace cause they realize that it could be a costly battle?
Would he be motivated to make a play for further power?
What if he loses? Would he try to mash up everything out of bitterness and bussing of files?
Would he ride off quietly into the sunset?


WHAT COULD HAPPEN?


TUNE IN NEXT WEEK. SAME JACK-TIME, SAME JACK-CHANNEL  :D
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: weary1969 on July 03, 2013, 08:17:18 AM
I do not like jack but i would like him to win, jus to see what would happen next.

Exactly. Dat option tempting. De ting is...would UNC humble and try to make peace cause they realize that it could be a costly battle?
Would he be motivated to make a play for further power?
What if he loses? Would he try to mash up everything out of bitterness and bussing of files?
Would he ride off quietly into the sunset?


WHAT COULD HAPPEN?


TUNE IN NEXT WEEK. SAME JACK-TIME, SAME JACK-CHANNEL  :D

 :rotfl: :rotfl:
I do not like jack but i would like him to win, jus to see what would happen next.

i wanted him 2 loose bad but since Kams not know he is d devil reimcarnate I want him to win. I believe it is time 4 this circus to end. Time to roll up d tent put away the animals and move on 2 a next venue. Jack winning will speed up the circus ending.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Bourbon on July 03, 2013, 08:19:22 AM
I do not like jack but i would like him to win, jus to see what would happen next.

Exactly. Dat option tempting. De ting is...would UNC humble and try to make peace cause they realize that it could be a costly battle?
Would he be motivated to make a play for further power?
What if he loses? Would he try to mash up everything out of bitterness and bussing of files?
Would he ride off quietly into the sunset?


WHAT COULD HAPPEN?


TUNE IN NEXT WEEK. SAME JACK-TIME, SAME JACK-CHANNEL  :D


Next ting yuh know the vote split and the PNM candidate win. Would this cause a reconciliation and a closing of ranks? Really and truly.....we hadda sit back and let dis whole thing play off until elections. It real interesting...I really not sure how it would go....not in terms of the actual result..but the actual effect in the context of everything.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: lefty on July 03, 2013, 08:44:12 AM
I do not like jack but i would like him to win, jus to see what would happen next.

Exactly. Dat option tempting. De ting is...would UNC humble and try to make peace cause they realize that it could be a costly battle?
Would he be motivated to make a play for further power?
What if he loses? Would he try to mash up everything out of bitterness and bussing of files?
Would he ride off quietly into the sunset?


WHAT COULD HAPPEN?


TUNE IN NEXT WEEK. SAME JACK-TIME, SAME JACK-CHANNEL  :D


Next ting yuh know the vote split and the PNM candidate win. Would this cause a reconciliation and a closing of ranks? Really and truly.....we hadda sit back and let dis whole thing play off until elections. It real interesting...I really not sure how it would go....not in terms of the actual result..but the actual effect in the context of everything.

true talk eh......but ah would be still be veeeeerrrrrrry surprised if d story go "off script", as an asside if Jack still have  a political life in dis country even after all his financial wrongdoing it will be a sad indictment of just how rotten and amorale  we are as a people once we stand to benefit from someone or something that otherwise does damage to all-else in their wake.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: weary1969 on July 03, 2013, 09:51:17 AM
I do not like jack but i would like him to win, jus to see what would happen next.

Exactly. Dat option tempting. De ting is...would UNC humble and try to make peace cause they realize that it could be a costly battle?
Would he be motivated to make a play for further power?
What if he loses? Would he try to mash up everything out of bitterness and bussing of files?
Would he ride off quietly into the sunset?


WHAT COULD HAPPEN?


TUNE IN NEXT WEEK. SAME JACK-TIME, SAME JACK-CHANNEL  :D


Next ting yuh know the vote split and the PNM candidate win. Would this cause a reconciliation and a closing of ranks? Really and truly.....we hadda sit back and let dis whole thing play off until elections. It real interesting...I really not sure how it would go....not in terms of the actual result..but the actual effect in the context of everything.

true talk eh......but ah would be still be veeeeerrrrrrry surprised if d story go "off script", as an asside if Jack still have  a political life in dis country even after all his financial wrongdoing it will be a sad indictment of just how rotten and amorale  we are as a people once we stand to benefit from someone or something that otherwise does damage to all-else in their wake.

People right here know Jack story chapter and verse annd supported d Parnership because they had enuff of the Project Manager Patos. So if he win it is just confirming how we are as a people.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Dutty on July 03, 2013, 10:03:27 AM
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(http://news.power102fm.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Jack-Warner-and-Khadijah-Ameen1.png)

"Miss Tallest,,ahm.....
Ah wuh yuh stop by mih house later wearin ah FIFA juzzy, ah need yuh tuh tie mih up. pour a lil soup on top mih head and rub some vicks on mih belly"
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Brownsugar on July 03, 2013, 02:37:56 PM
Now hear on de news.....Volney leaving the UNC to join Jack party!!  ooooooohhhhh ggggaarrrrdddd ooooyyyyeeee!!!!! and it get worse.....

He say he support Jack's brand of politics and that his constituents have been clamouring for him to leave the UNC......ooooohhhh gaaaarrrrdddd ah weeeeeaaaaakkkkkk.........*in tears*

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

and it have 26 more days to go......ah goh dead by den!!!!!

*gone to buy all de popcorn in de supermarket*
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Dutty on July 03, 2013, 02:51:07 PM
Now hear on de news.....Volney leaving the UNC to join Jack party!!  ooooooohhhhh ggggaarrrrdddd ooooyyyyeeee!!!!! and it get worse.....

He say he support Jack's brand of politics and that his constituents have been clamouring for him to leave the UNC......ooooohhhh gaaaarrrrdddd ah weeeeeaaaaakkkkkk.........*in tears*
*gone to buy all de popcorn in de supermarket*

For real??.....ah corrupt clown party ,,,,,poor T&T
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: ZANDOLIE on July 03, 2013, 03:10:24 PM
Lol, this...will be interesting
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: TdotTrini on July 03, 2013, 05:42:42 PM
http://www.tntfinder.com/news/volney-leaves-unc-for-warners-party-listing-2371.aspx

Does this mean a by-election for the St Joseph seat?
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: D.H.W on July 03, 2013, 06:18:57 PM
Biggest joke this Government is. And the whole cast of characters.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Bourbon on July 03, 2013, 07:58:38 PM
If Volney resign his seat too...well den dahs a SURE one less.

Jack. Volney. Gypsy. De Couteau. Anil.



Who else? Dey need at least 9.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Jah Gol on July 03, 2013, 10:08:54 PM
http://www.tntfinder.com/news/volney-leaves-unc-for-warners-party-listing-2371.aspx

Does this mean a by-election for the St Joseph seat?

He does not have to resign as an MP.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: E-man on July 03, 2013, 10:28:41 PM
Now hear on de news.....Volney leaving the UNC to join Jack party!!  ooooooohhhhh ggggaarrrrdddd ooooyyyyeeee!!!!! and it get worse.....

He say he support Jack's brand of politics and that his constituents have been clamouring for him to leave the UNC......ooooohhhh gaaaarrrrdddd ah weeeeeaaaaakkkkkk.........*in tears*
*gone to buy all de popcorn in de supermarket*

For real??.....ah corrupt clown party ,,,,,poor T&T

The CCP. That's one C away from CCCP

Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Flex on July 04, 2013, 03:49:26 AM
Jack: PM’s travel, family probe statements wrong
By Renuka Singh


Former Member of Parliament for Chaguanas West, Jack Warner, yesterday denied that he ever told Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bisessar that he and his family were the subject of an enquiry by the United States Government.
Warner also denied that he is unable to travel, saying that he was in the US just last November.
“It is totally untrue. I repeat that the Prime Minister is the victim of a cabal and even now, I have no bitterness against the Prime Minister. My fight is against the cabal that has imprisoned her,” Warner said.
“I never told the Prime Minister that.”
Warner was responding to questions from the media at a graduation ceremony at the Dorman Nursery School in Felicity yesterday.
“I am sorry she has gone down to that level. I’ll maintain a very dignified level,” Warner said.
With 26 days of campaigning left, Warner said he was not surprised that the gloves seemed to be off already.
“It may get even worse, but I’ll tell you something, I will not reciprocate. After all, this is only the beginning, I ain’t hit the campaign trail yet and she has panicked and she panic too early. I have not peaked as yet,” he said.
“I am not saying anything negative about the Prime Minister. I will not do that, she could say what about me, I will not do that,” he said.
At the United National Congress (UNC) Monday Night Forum in Caroni, Persad-Bissessar said Warner had admitted to her that he and his family were the subject of an enquiry by the Government of the US into a range of corporate white-collar criminal offences under federal jurisdiction in the US, that he refused to travel on Government business and had too many controversies hanging over his head.
“I was in Miami on November 25 last year. I spoke to the Prime Minister from there,” he said.
He described  Persad-Bissessar’s comments against him as evidence of “panic” and promised that he would not respond in kind.
“But if I had panicked, I would not have behaved that way. But I have nothing to say against the Prime Minister,” he said.
Warner said as a member of the Government, he was asked to travel to Canada, Rome, India and he refused.
“I said to them and I say again, I have travelled to 176 countries, some of them several times over, I have no intention to go in a plane again to take off my pants, take off my belt, hands up and so on, I not doing that,” he said, referring to strict security guidelines at most airports.
He said if he had to travel in the interest of national security, then he would.
“Ask them what is the cost of all the travel of the Government in the last three years, you will understand that it could have built 1,000 to 2,000 homes in every constituency,” he said.
“I don’t want to join that,” he said.
Warner, in addressing the parents of the graduating class, told them to warn their children about the “three deadly sins”—crime, corruption and cabalism. He also warned them to teach their children to not be ungrateful or reckless and to appreciate who got them to where they would be in the future.
“Never be ungrateful to those who help you become what and who you are today. Do not bear false witness,” he said.
While he did not call any names, he confirmed later to the media that his comments were directed toward certain UNC members.

Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Flex on July 04, 2013, 03:54:59 AM
TRAVEL MONEY CAN BUILD HOMES
By Newsday Staff Wednesday, July 3 2013


He wanted to save the country money. This was the reason Jack Warner gave yesterday for not travelling abroad on Government business as National Security Minister.

Warner confirmed Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar’s claim, made at a public meeting in Caroni on Monday night, that he had refused to travel overseas while in Cabinet, but said he did so because he felt too much was being spent on Government travel.

However, if it was necessary for reasons of national security he would have travelled abroad, Warner told reporters after delivering an address at a graduation ceremony at Felicity Hindu School, Chaguanas.

He admitted he was once asked to deliver a national security address in Curacao but asked Chief of Defence Staff Kenrick Maharaj to deliver it in his stead.

Warner said he was in Miami on November 25, last year, when he spoke to Persad-Bissessar.

He said, “The Prime Minister asked me to go to Canada, I said no. She asked me to go to Rome, I said no. They asked me to go to India in a massive delegation with Government funding and so on, I said no I won’t go to India.”

The Prime Minister led a delegation to India in January 2012, and travelled to Canada on a State visit in April, this year.

Warner said the cost of Government travel over the past three years could have built between 1,000 to 2,000 homes in each constituency and he did not want to be party to spending money that could have been put to better use.

“I don’t want to join that. I have said before, I did not buy a Government car, I have not got any Government car. I have said before I wouldn’t take a Government salary except one dollar a month. I haven’t taken a Government salary. So all these things are not isolated but part of a whole package of which I said I would not do. So don’t be fooled,” he admonished.

When questioned further, Warner said he refused to go abroad because he had done so many times before. “I have travelled to 176 countries, some of them several times over. I have no intention to go on a plane again to open my legs, take off my pants, take off my belt, hands up and so on. I’m not doing that anymore! I am tired!” he said, speaking of security checks.

Warner was referring to his many visits to countries over his decades-long tenure as a FIFA vice-president and president of the regional football federation, Concacaf.

Persad-Bissessar, in a stinging attack at Monday’s meeting at Vishnu Boys Hindu College, raised the issue of corruption allegations against Warner’s role in world football, claiming he had admitted he and his family were the subjects of an inquiry by the United States government.

She also disclosed he was the subject of a local police investigation on the Flying Squad. These were among the reasons, she said, why Warner was not chosen as the UNC’s candidate for the Chaguanas West bye-election— triggered by Warner’s resignation as MP of the safe seat.

Warner yesterday denied he told Persad-Bissessar he and his family were under investigation for white- collar crimes.

“It is totally untrue,” he said, adding he had no bitter feelings against the Prime Minister, who he claimed had been “imprisoned” by persons close to her.

“All I am saying to her is that I’m sorry. I’m sorry she has gone down to that level. I promise you guys I will not go down to that level. I’ll maintain a very dignified level,” Warner said.

Warner promised to comment further on Persad-Bissessar’s statements at a meeting in Felicity on Friday, when he said he would deliver “the mother of all speeches”— a catch phrase that he also used before announcing he would resign as MP back in May. It is expected he would announce his plans for the bye-election, including whether he would contest as an independent, or launch his own political party.

When questioned yesterday, Warner said he did not know if the country could handle a third major political party. However, he said the “level of political sophistication” in the country was so high that it was unprecedented and only time would tell.

At a cottage meeting, also in Caroni on Monday, Warner had told his supporters that today would be the last day he would wear the UNC yellow at another walkabout in Caroni starting at the community centre.

He told them they may “feel a little grief” when they have to part with the colour but the crowd vehemently disagreed.

“Between now and the 29th, we shall flood this constituency with green! We shall flood the airways with green, we shall flood the TV with green so that you would not even remember that there was a thing called yellow,” he added as the supporters cheered.

On Warner’s official Facebook page, an advertisement to Friday’s meeting, posted around 12 am on Monday, fades from yellow to green and reads “Chaguanas West is going green.” The comments on the ad were mostly positive as supporters spurred Warner on.

Neil Rampersad commented, “Gone Green Already!” while Sandy Sparks stated, “We flooding out d place wit green.” Marcus Jean-Baptiste said, “D game just change, thanks to u Boss man. U are gonna give them a run, they would never forget and u would make history!” and Pradeep Raman encouraged, “Go Jack show them how its done — proper representation.”

Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Bourbon on July 04, 2013, 06:32:01 AM
TRAVEL MONEY CAN BUILD HOMES
By Newsday Staff Wednesday, July 3 2013


He wanted to save the country money. This was the reason Jack Warner gave yesterday for not travelling abroad on Government business as National Security Minister.

Warner confirmed Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar’s claim, made at a public meeting in Caroni on Monday night, that he had refused to travel overseas while in Cabinet, but said he did so because he felt too much was being spent on Government travel.


Ah mean...I know they REAL travel...buh.....how much is that?



Warner said he was in Miami on November 25, last year, when he spoke to Persad-Bissessar.  This could be checked ent?

He said, “The Prime Minister asked me to go to Canada, I said no. She asked me to go to Rome, I said no. They asked me to go to India in a massive delegation with Government funding and so on, I said no I won’t go to India.”  Which Government? TT or India?

The Prime Minister led a delegation to India in January 2012, and travelled to Canada on a State visit in April, this year.

Warner said the cost of Government travel over the past three years could have built between 1,000 to 2,000 homes in each constituency and he did not want to be party to spending money that could have been put to better use.

Arhm.....41 x 1000 x average CONSERVATIVE (and likely unrealistic) $500,000 per house = $20,500,000,000

Come on.....




Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: fishs on July 04, 2013, 06:56:11 AM
TRAVEL MONEY CAN BUILD HOMES
By Newsday Staff Wednesday, July 3 2013


He wanted to save the country money. This was the reason Jack Warner gave yesterday for not travelling abroad on Government business as National Security Minister.

Warner confirmed Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar’s claim, made at a public meeting in Caroni on Monday night, that he had refused to travel overseas while in Cabinet, but said he did so because he felt too much was being spent on Government travel.


Ah mean...I know they REAL travel...buh.....how much is that?



Warner said he was in Miami on November 25, last year, when he spoke to Persad-Bissessar.  This could be checked ent?

He said, “The Prime Minister asked me to go to Canada, I said no. She asked me to go to Rome, I said no. They asked me to go to India in a massive delegation with Government funding and so on, I said no I won’t go to India.”  Which Government? TT or India?

The Prime Minister led a delegation to India in January 2012, and travelled to Canada on a State visit in April, this year.

Warner said the cost of Government travel over the past three years could have built between 1,000 to 2,000 homes in each constituency and he did not want to be party to spending money that could have been put to better use.

Arhm.....41 x 1000 x average CONSERVATIVE (and likely unrealistic) $500,000 per house = $20,500,000,000

Come on.....






Ey buddy yuh forget the PM sister costs taxpayers over 800,000.00 in travel for 1 yr by your calculations dais 1 full house an another 1 without carpet, or to put it another way that coulda pull out 1 of the firetruck wheel from the precipice.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Bourbon on July 04, 2013, 06:59:38 AM
TRAVEL MONEY CAN BUILD HOMES
By Newsday Staff Wednesday, July 3 2013


He wanted to save the country money. This was the reason Jack Warner gave yesterday for not travelling abroad on Government business as National Security Minister.

Warner confirmed Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar’s claim, made at a public meeting in Caroni on Monday night, that he had refused to travel overseas while in Cabinet, but said he did so because he felt too much was being spent on Government travel.


Ah mean...I know they REAL travel...buh.....how much is that?



Warner said he was in Miami on November 25, last year, when he spoke to Persad-Bissessar.  This could be checked ent?

He said, “The Prime Minister asked me to go to Canada, I said no. She asked me to go to Rome, I said no. They asked me to go to India in a massive delegation with Government funding and so on, I said no I won’t go to India.”  Which Government? TT or India?

The Prime Minister led a delegation to India in January 2012, and travelled to Canada on a State visit in April, this year.

Warner said the cost of Government travel over the past three years could have built between 1,000 to 2,000 homes in each constituency and he did not want to be party to spending money that could have been put to better use.

Arhm.....41 x 1000 x average CONSERVATIVE (and likely unrealistic) $500,000 per house = $20,500,000,000

Come on.....






Ey buddy yuh forget the PM sister costs taxpayers over 800,000.00 in travel for 1 yr by your calculations dais 1 full house an another 1 without carpet, or to put it another way that coulda pull out 1 of the firetruck wheel from the precipice.

True. And dahs just who we know about. We eh talk bout hairdresser and such. Oh well.


And why the poll structured like that? Shouldnt it be who would WIN? Cuz there would be at least 2 losers.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: fishs on July 04, 2013, 09:14:28 AM
TRAVEL MONEY CAN BUILD HOMES
By Newsday Staff Wednesday, July 3 2013


He wanted to save the country money. This was the reason Jack Warner gave yesterday for not travelling abroad on Government business as National Security Minister.

Warner confirmed Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar’s claim, made at a public meeting in Caroni on Monday night, that he had refused to travel overseas while in Cabinet, but said he did so because he felt too much was being spent on Government travel.


Ah mean...I know they REAL travel...buh.....how much is that?



Warner said he was in Miami on November 25, last year, when he spoke to Persad-Bissessar.  This could be checked ent?

He said, “The Prime Minister asked me to go to Canada, I said no. She asked me to go to Rome, I said no. They asked me to go to India in a massive delegation with Government funding and so on, I said no I won’t go to India.”  Which Government? TT or India?

The Prime Minister led a delegation to India in January 2012, and travelled to Canada on a State visit in April, this year.

Warner said the cost of Government travel over the past three years could have built between 1,000 to 2,000 homes in each constituency and he did not want to be party to spending money that could have been put to better use.

Arhm.....41 x 1000 x average CONSERVATIVE (and likely unrealistic) $500,000 per house = $20,500,000,000

Come on.....






Ey buddy yuh forget the PM sister costs taxpayers over 800,000.00 in travel for 1 yr by your calculations dais 1 full house an another 1 without carpet, or to put it another way that coulda pull out 1 of the firetruck wheel from the precipice.

True. And dahs just who we know about. We eh talk bout hairdresser and such. Oh well.


And why the poll structured like that? Shouldnt it be who would WIN? Cuz there would be at least 2 losers.

I was just being cute. It should be the biggest loser
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: royal on July 04, 2013, 10:54:23 AM
ah tink Jack form his political party call DNA
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Socapro on July 04, 2013, 11:27:24 AM
Why don't Jack go back to teaching History at some school?

His specialised area could be the history of corruption in football and government and his first hand experience and advice on how to excel in those roles and why greed saw him fall from grace.

I am sure Jack will have students cueing up for his lectures.  :devil:
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: congo on July 04, 2013, 11:57:42 AM
Sad to say but I am rooting for Jack here. If he is the cause of the downfall of this government then so be it. Jack all the way.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: weary1969 on July 04, 2013, 12:22:11 PM
Sad to say but I am rooting for Jack here. If he is the cause of the downfall of this government then so be it. Jack all the way.

Yea I hope he wins and this is the START OF END OF THIS PATHETHIC POSSE AKA THE CIRCUS
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: sammy on July 04, 2013, 01:27:57 PM
ent this EX-COP woman start a new party?
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Bourbon on July 04, 2013, 04:21:33 PM
ent this EX-COP woman start a new party?


Yeah she did. Nalini Dial.

Under all dis..when is Local Govt Elections?
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: D.H.W on July 04, 2013, 04:25:10 PM
Worse government I've lived through.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: mal jeux on July 04, 2013, 07:21:59 PM
Worse government I've lived through.

like you was doing ah 10days during the pnm rule?  :rotfl:  :rotfl:  :rotfl:


austin needs to bow out and if he needs the spotlight - get ah carbide hunting lamp and revel in the glow.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: D.H.W on July 04, 2013, 07:44:15 PM
Nah boy this worse than PNM I thought Manning was bad eh. But that clown show take the cake
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: mal jeux on July 04, 2013, 08:38:10 PM
Nah boy this worse than PNM I thought Manning was bad eh. But that clown show take the cake


the cake, the fork, napkin, plate, even the little crumbs on the tablecloth. these fools had the power to do so much good for the people and country and they squandered it.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Brownsugar on July 05, 2013, 05:24:41 AM
Nah boy this worse than PNM I thought Manning was bad eh. But that clown show take the cake

De worserest, worst of de worst!!!!.....

Sad to say but I am rooting for Jack here. If he is the cause of the downfall of this government then so be it. Jack all the way.

Yea I hope he wins and this is the START OF END OF THIS PATHETHIC POSSE AKA THE CIRCUS

Is the inevitable downfall I rooting for......time to end this tragic comedy......
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Bourbon on July 05, 2013, 07:24:23 AM
Right...so...

1 from Jack
2 from TOP.
1 from Colin Partap.
1 from Volney.
1 from Gypsy.
1 from Anil.
1 from De Couteau.

One more ent? Assuming TOP of course....which is a gamble.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Jah Gol on July 05, 2013, 07:49:08 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/zcJhJrTAi5k

Zandolee like DNA coming out dey hole.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: lefty on July 05, 2013, 08:06:46 AM
Nah boy this worse than PNM I thought Manning was bad eh. But that clown show take the cake


the cake, the fork, napkin, plate, even the little crumbs on the tablecloth. these fools had the power to do so much good for the people and country and they squandered it.

who woulda thought dat after the billions wasted by the PNM, which I tink was piss poor supervision and controls more dan anything else, that these fellas could be considered the worst gov't we ever had........
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: sammy on July 05, 2013, 08:19:10 AM
Nah boy this worse than PNM I thought Manning was bad eh. But that clown show take the cake


the cake, the fork, napkin, plate, even the little crumbs on the tablecloth. these fools had the power to do so much good for the people and country and they squandered it.

who woulda thought dat after the billions wasted by the PNM, which I tink was piss poor supervision and controls more dan anything else, that these fellas could be considered the worst gov't we ever had........

true
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: sammy on July 05, 2013, 08:19:36 AM
Right...so...

1 from Jack
2 from TOP.
1 from Colin Partap.
1 from Volney.
1 from Gypsy.
1 from Anil.
1 from De Couteau.


One more ent? Assuming TOP of course....which is a gamble.

dem fall out with the PP too?
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Bourbon on July 05, 2013, 08:46:32 AM
Right...so...

1 from Jack
2 from TOP.
1 from Colin Partap.
1 from Volney.
1 from Gypsy.
1 from Anil.
1 from De Couteau.


One more ent? Assuming TOP of course....which is a gamble.

dem fall out with the PP too?

Dey sympathetic to Jack. Dahs all I know so far.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: lefty on July 05, 2013, 09:08:18 AM
Anil not leavin d cush n perks jus so......unless he gehin push out too.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: E-man on July 05, 2013, 10:16:26 AM
ah tink Jack form his political party call DNA

T&T is a big track & field nation - doesn't DNA stand for Did Not Advance?
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Dutty on July 05, 2013, 10:45:40 AM
Anil not leavin d cush n perks jus so......unless he gehin push out too.

except for de firetruck defense pitch,,you eh see he quiet quiet dese days
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: weary1969 on July 05, 2013, 10:52:58 AM
Anil not leavin d cush n perks jus so......unless he gehin push out too.

except for de firetruck defense pitch,,you eh see he quiet quiet dese days

Yea I saw a nice pic wit him and his COP colleagues. Seepersad Bachan does only yap.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: mal jeux on July 05, 2013, 12:45:02 PM
Anil not leavin d cush n perks jus so......unless he gehin push out too.

except for de firetruck defense pitch,,you eh see he quiet quiet dese days

HURRY! call Guinness book
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: royal on July 05, 2013, 04:56:44 PM
ah guess Jack change his mind,its ILP (Independent Liberal Party) and not DNA. Symbol is sugar cane and oil.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Brownsugar on July 05, 2013, 06:38:29 PM
ah tink Jack form his political party call DNA

T&T is a big track & field nation - doesn't DNA stand for Did Not Advance?


Actually there is a party called the DNA already headed by Kirk Meighoo who aparently is throwing his hat in the ring....

Now watching the antics on mih TV right now.....ah eh know if to laugh or cry....these ppl down in Chag West firetrucking serious?? (look ah cyar even fake cuss no more without it having some connotation attached to it.....steups)!!

Oh right ah forget.....is all he hard wuk and FIFA his money......speaking of hard wukking........whey Dinho??  Ah wonder what he thinking dese days??  Come een nah Dinho.....come een, doh fraid......
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: weary1969 on July 05, 2013, 07:55:17 PM
ah tink Jack form his political party call DNA

T&T is a big track & field nation - doesn't DNA stand for Did Not Advance?


Actually there is a party called the DNA already headed by Kirk Meighoo who aparently is throwing his hat in the ring....

Now watching the antics on mih TV right now.....ah eh know if to laugh or cry....these ppl down in Chag West firetrucking serious?? (look ah cyar even fake cuss no more without it having some connotation attached to it.....steups)!!

Oh right ah forget.....is all he hard wuk and FIFA his money......speaking of hard wukking........whey Dinho??  Ah wonder what he thinking dese days??  Come een nah Dinho.....come een, doh fraid......

Crowds do not win elections. Until d last vote is count on July 29 then I know JW win. Augustus Ramrekasingh fix d Bamboo and get less votes d nxt election.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: fishs on July 06, 2013, 01:04:40 AM

 Letter to UNC Leader Kamla Persad-Bissessar
Saturday, July 6 2013

Dear Political Leader,

Even though to date I have not been afforded the courtesy of being formally informed by the UNC that I have been rejected as its candidate for the July 29 bye-election, I am still convinced that respect for you, makes it necessary that I will inform you of my recent activities.

I wish to state that as of 8 pm, I would have formed a political party under which banner I will contest the bye election. Although I will be contesting against the UNC and PNM which have both offered candidates, my intention is to offer my party to be a part of the People’s Partnership after the bye election of July 29.

This is in keeping with the trend set by the People’s Partnership to unite all opposition against the PNM, a precedence that has already been set where in the Coalition there are members in Parliament with no party and parties that have no MPs.

I expect the same open arm approach when I apply for membership after the election. I wish to remind you that you have always clearly positioned yourself as mother and grandmother of this nation which I have never challenged.

However, against this background I am appealing to your maternal instincts to leave my family... my wife and three sons out of the politics of hate and revenge. Politics of hate and revenge which has overwhelmed our society and painfully scorched our landscape.

I have no problem with attacks on me but when it comes to my family I am extremely sensitive and will defend my family against any and all attacks. Finally, I have taken note that there is no response not even a letter of acknowledgment to the last three letters I have sent you. I note that this is not your style. I am hoping that you drift away from the recent trend and at least acknowledge this letter.



Warm regards,

Jack Warner,

Interim Political Leader, IRP



Lol Jack convinced he win already.
Buh if he have his own party, he not creating hsitory again as the only independent to win an elections since independence.

Damn
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: D.H.W on July 06, 2013, 04:34:30 AM
Yawn. Warner seems to be power hungry. Waste of time forming another political party. Only thing I can see is that he wants to mash up UNC.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: weary1969 on July 06, 2013, 06:38:28 AM
Yawn. Warner seems to be power hungry. Waste of time forming another political party. Only thing I can see is that he wants to mash up UNC.

D Man say he eh like d symbol d EBC give him as an independent so he form he own party. I move a motion that until d PP demits office d national anthem be changed to David Rudder madness.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: sammy on July 07, 2013, 06:13:24 AM
ABSENT AMEEN
E-mail blasting work ethic of UNC Chaguanas West candidate written by Minister Bharath surfaces


By Asha Javeed
Story Created: Jul 6, 2013 at 10:36 PM ECT
Story Updated: Jul 6, 2013 at 11:59 PM ECT
Damning complaints have surfaced from senior Government Minister Vasant Bharath concerning the suitability to hold office of United National Congress (UNC) nominee for Chaguanas West, Khadijah Ameen.
Even as some party members told the Sunday Express that they were divided over the choice of Ameen as their candidate, she was not daunted by Bharath’s criticism, telling the Sunday Express  yesterday that she would not be “distracted” or engage in a “war of words” with anyone.
The complaint, which was written as an e-mail, was sent on December 2nd, 2009 at 9.11 a.m. to all UNC members who were in Opposition then.
Bharath confirmed to the Sunday Express last week that the e-mail was authentic.
In 2009 Bharath was the UNC MP for St Augustine and Ameen was a councillor at the Tunapuna/Piarco Regional Corporation.
He is now Trade Minister and Minister in the Ministry of Finance and Ameen is now chairman of the Tunapuna/Piarco Regional Corporation and was selected by the UNC to contest the Chaguanas West by-election.
Bharath wrote that he had been compelled to write the e-mail because of what he described as Ameen’s habitual absence from meetings which, in his view, amounted to contempt for the office she held.
To substantiate his statement, Bharath said that from January 2008 to May 2009, Ameen was absent from 59 meetings of the Corporation and of those she attended, she was more often late than not.
“This is the forum at which decisions regarding resource allocation takes place. If you are not present, you cannot advocate on behalf of your constituents. Residents have been forced to lobby the Corporation directly in order to get redress. One recent such occurrence took place when the residents of Bamboo #2 attended a Statutory Meeting of the Council to voice their dissatisfaction with the Councillor. It is not, nor has it ever been my intention to malign anyone’s character but I will no longer stand idly by and watch in silence as Ms Ameen portrays herself as a victim. She is the maker of her own self inflicted problems which she is attempting to deflect on others,” he said. 
Bharath added: “Rest assured that I do not make these assertions either lightly or without basis.”
“Several of her ‘friends’ have made representation to me that I should ignore her dereliction of duty...and although I empathise and sympathise with her and have spoken with her on the matter, I cannot continue to ignore the plight of the residents of St Augustine,” he stated.
He continued, “Over the last 12-15 months Ms Ameen has shown total contempt for both the Constituency office as well as the residents of St Augustine. She rarely, if ever, answers her phone and never responds to e-mails. Again, I do not make these claims lightly. She is an absentee councillor drawing two salaries. From Bamboo to Piarco, there is a stream of complaints against her. She has had no input in any functions organised by the constituency or in any mobilisation efforts on behalf of the party even though her participation has been sought.”
Bharath explained that he was forced to pen the e-mail “to set the record straight but to protect and defend the interests and work of many publicly spirited citizens of St Augustine as well as that of the staff and volunteer workers of the St Augustine Constituency Office who have all had to work beyond the call of duty in order to compensate for the continued absence of the elected councillor, Ms Ameen”.
As MP, he noted that he had been forced to adopt the role of councillor by meeting with residents in the constituency on a daily basis and  communicating  directly with the Regional Corporation to get even the most mundane of tasks attended to.
“I have spoken to Ms Ameen on several occasions with regard to these matters but she has refused to accept responsibility for her actions and continues to dismiss the claims made against her. This is one instance where the Regional Corporation cannot be held totally responsible for the lack of provision of goods and services to the residents of St Augustine. The councillor has refused to function. It is as simple as that!” he stated.
He stated that his intention to raise the matter with MPs was “to defend my staff at the Constituency Office and several hard working volunteers, to whom a great injustice has been done as a result of Ms Ameen’s continued distortion of reality and the facts and I stand ready, with detailed information, to expose any who continue to do so at the expense of those who are prepared to work silently and diligently for the benefit of our party.”
Asked on Thursday to comment on the UNC’s choice of Ameen to contest the Chaguanas West seat, Bharath simply reiterated that she was the party’s choice.
He would not respond to a question about whether he held the same view of her now as he did in 2009. He said he had not had contact with her since 2010.
Asked about her suitability now, Bharath responded: “There must be people who have confidence in her.”
Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar announced Ameen, the party’s acting chairman, as the UNC candidate to contest the Chaguanas West by-election on July 29 at a UNC public forum on Monday night.
For her part, Ameen has maintained that she will not be fazed by criticism from within her own political party and instead focus her attention on the constituents of Chaguanas West.
“I would have heard about the e-mail. I don’t know whether it is true or not. I can certainly tell you that my reputation can speak beyond any allegation and I have been in public office for quite some time. I am sure if any of those things had any truth, people would know. I am focused on the race ahead, this electoral campaign. I won’t be distracted by that sort of thing,” she told the Sunday Express in an interview at Saith Park in Chaguanas yesterday morning.
 
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: fishs on July 08, 2013, 01:05:50 AM

 By-election getting theatrical
By Keith Subero

Story Created: Jul 7, 2013 at 10:37 PM ECT

(Story Updated: Jul 7, 2013 at 10:37 PM ECT )

Nearly three years ago, I wrote that it would come to this. I foresaw then that UNC was marching towards a kind of bit scene out of the German experience of July 1934, referred to as “The Night of the Long Knives”.
More recently, as the events appear to be converging my anticipation turned into a chilling fear that this month may be dubbed eventually—with apologies to Wendell Manwarren, and his rapso group—as the “The Month of the Three Canal”.
On Friday night, the curtain rose on a meticulously-mobilised theatrical performance to launch Jack Warner’s re-entry campaign. He stood, among a full house of supporters, not as bare-knuckle street fighter, but as “Maximus”, a gladiator fully ready to do close-quarter battle first with the Prime Minister’s “the cabal”, and with obvious relish, hinting that he was leaving her for last.
This caused me to believe that July 2013, may be better recorded as “The Month of the Gilpin” because we seem to be heading to a series of “bloody” political battles in the run-up to the July 29 by-elections.
The likely conclusion? I fear that it will be what the Greeks called a pyrrhic victory—a war so devastating that it leaves no victors, only deeply maimed combatants.
In July 1934, “Operation Hummingbird” was launched in Germany. The political paranoia caused a great purge, referred to as “The Night of the Long Knives”; it allowed Hitler to tackle all his critics, settle old scores, and ultimately establish himself as “the supreme judge of the German people”.
Our political climate today is the same as Germany in the 1930s, except for the insidious paranoia that dominates the atmosphere.
Knit together the recent behaviour of the Prime Minister, and her front line ministers -- Moonilal, Ramlogan, Rambachan, Sharma. The thinly-woven fabric seems to reveal persons, increasingly consumed by a hubristic condition that impairs rational, coherent thinking.
Admittedly, they are confronted with a lot this July. There is “Emailgate” - Part II of Section 34; the “firetruck fiasco”; the Auditor-General’s Report; the arrogant Minister Roodal Moonilal’s bumbling attempt to spin himself of his $24,000 a month leased Range Rover, and the repudiation in public slap he delivered to the Finance Minister by appointing his friend, Rabindra Moonan as HDC chairman; Minister Chandresh Sharma’s choice of a person, with a fake CV, to head the Airports Authority; the Attorney General’s simplistic, diversionary attacks on both Integrity Commission chairman, Ken Gordon, and the Police Service; the PM’s $1 billion Penal hospital scandal; the mis-steps in the public statements of Israel Khan, the PM’s legal counsel; Friday’s march of some 15,000 persons—to name just a few of their challenges.

Add to that the wily Warner, backed by a horde of devotees, claiming that the UNC, in reality, had cannibalised its tribe, and poised to inflict the craftiness of Realpolitik he learned in the FIFA arena.
Warner displays a grasp, better than most politicians, of the tactics and principles political warfare. The Chinese military strategist, Sun Tzu wrote of the principles of commitment, observation and preparation, and gave the six tactics of assessment, adaptation, leverage, deception and timing as the basics in “The Art of War”.
Machiavelli years later advised inter alia that one should first identify the enemy, choose the time, pick the terrain, select the troops, maintain strict discipline, control the money, exploit your enemy’s paranoia, then fight to the last.
I fear that we will be seeing many such attempts this month. Whatever the result, I am convinced that in the end the Prime Minister will still maintain her true agenda.
Her government finally speaks of its “decentralisation thrust”, a concept subject to various interpretations, one of which is the ultimate development of “another Trinidad” embracing Central Trinidad and the UNC deep-south constituency.
Others see it as a clandestine attempt to deal not only with the claim of the Hindus, as historical victims of the PNM—but an agenda to establish their hegemony.

Decentralisation has not gone unnoticed with the conversion of a number buildings, formerly car parts outlets in El Socorro Road, San Juan to house government ministries -- Agriculture, Housing, Labour, Works, at an average monthly rental of $100,000.
In Couva, construction has begun on the $1 billion PM’s children’s hospital recently upgraded to a full Hospital. There are plans for four sporting centres, a multi-million dollar international airport in Couva, a High Court in Carlsen Field, a new Industrial Court headquarters, and UTT’s campus.
In Debe work has begun on the 300 acre, $1 billion law school. The Tertiary Education Minister recently admitted it will be “another University”.
There are plans for a three-story Library, a Sporting complex, a multi-million dollar Cultural Centre, a High Court, the controversial $1 billion Penal hospital and rehab centre, a technical vocational centre, the Siparia (East) Secondary School, a 20-acre regional corporation complex and a work force and development centre.
In the coming months, expect that the paranoia could become ugly. There will be no sugary delivery, and mawkish smiles, when every Friday one has to face Jack Warner on the Opposition bench.
Warner may make even representatives, Rowley, Imbert and McDonald appear as nice guys.

• Keith Subero, a former Express news editor has since followed a career in communiation and management
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Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: weary1969 on July 09, 2013, 06:31:57 PM
All yuh never tell me d Ameen chick use 2 b on 102 wit Sprang. I calling Flow and say replace Comedy Central TNT politics is enough comedy.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Deeks on July 09, 2013, 09:22:59 PM
a multi-million dollar international airport in Couva

Piarco so busy!!! Does not make f...king sense. Unless they intend to close down Piarco.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Flex on July 10, 2013, 02:01:29 AM
Bottomless Money pit.
T&T Guardian Reports.


Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar has questioned the source of Jack Warner’s Chaguanas West by-election campaign funding. However, Warner yesterday refused to comment on the matter, saying he would not be drawn into any argument with his former leader. Speaking at the UNC’s Monday Night Forum in Warrenville, Cunupia, Persad-Bissessar told supporters: “Warner appears to have a bottomless pit of money.”

She said with his unlimited finances, Warner would “outspend” the UNC in his campaign with television advertisements and full-page ads. She added: “With his amassed wealth—no media is asking where he get the money from? Whether it come from England, America or even Haiti. But everyone who is supportive of the UNC is called a financier.” The Prime Minister also accused Warner of “trying to buy out our supporters.”

“But you are resilient, you are courageous, many have come before to buy you out,” she said. She urged supporters not to “be fooled by money or be bought out.” Persad-Bissessar said Warner had formed his political party, the Independent Liberal Party (ILP), to destroy the UNC and kick the party “out of our homeland in Chaguanas West.”

“Jack Warner is out to destroy and eliminate everyone who has helped to build the UNC to what it is today,” she said as she trained her guns on her former “ally.” She said Warner was teaming up with Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley “to remove my generals and lieutenants so that he can try to remove me. If you remove these people you will never see government again. “Today he wants to destroy our leaders so that he can come after me and my job,” she declared.

She urged supporters to stay focused, “stay united so we could stay in government.” The PM also accused Warner of engaging in “twisted logic” and “not so subtle attempts to hoodwink you (constituents.)” Contacted by telephone yesterday, Warner refused to comment on the source of his funding, but assured the PM she need not worry about where it came from.

“I can assure the Prime Minister, SIS (Super Industrial Services) did not give me my money nor any other contractor for that matter, but I do not want to go down there. That is not my style,” he said. “I will not retaliate against her. I told you guys I am not going down to the Prime Minister’s level. I want to maintain that.”

Warner, who was a major financial contributor to the UNC’s 2010 general election campaign  from wealth generated through his tenure in Concacaf and Fifa, said he would respond fully on Friday night at an ILP meeting scheduled for Frederick Settlement, Caroni. “I will not retaliate or say anything negative or nasty on the campaign,” he said.

“I said between now and the by-election (July) 29, the Prime Minister and her ministers will say even dirtier things and they may have people to blog even worse matters. I still refuse to be tempted or baited to go down to that level.” Warner also promised to respond to Persad-Bissessar’s suggestion for the conditional return to the UNC by withdrawing his nomination and clearing his name with Concacaf. “Follow my meeting on Friday and see the level and the quality of my campaign.”

Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Michael-j on July 10, 2013, 04:51:18 AM
Bottomless Money pit.
T&T Guardian Reports.


Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar has questioned the source of Jack Warner’s Chaguanas West by-election campaign funding. However, Warner yesterday refused to comment on the matter, saying he would not be drawn into any argument with his former leader. Speaking at the UNC’s Monday Night Forum in Warrenville, Cunupia, Persad-Bissessar told supporters: “Warner appears to have a bottomless pit of money.”

She said with his unlimited finances, Warner would “outspend” the UNC in his campaign with television advertisements and full-page ads. She added: “With his amassed wealth—no media is asking where he get the money from? Whether it come from England, America or even Haiti. But everyone who is supportive of the UNC is called a financier.” The Prime Minister also accused Warner of “trying to buy out our supporters.”



This woman is amazing yes!  She never questioned the source of Jacks money when he was financing her run for PM ...now, all of a sudden that is a concern for her??  :bs:
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: weary1969 on July 10, 2013, 11:04:37 AM
Bottomless Money pit.
T&T Guardian Reports.


Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar has questioned the source of Jack Warner’s Chaguanas West by-election campaign funding. However, Warner yesterday refused to comment on the matter, saying he would not be drawn into any argument with his former leader. Speaking at the UNC’s Monday Night Forum in Warrenville, Cunupia, Persad-Bissessar told supporters: “Warner appears to have a bottomless pit of money.”

She said with his unlimited finances, Warner would “outspend” the UNC in his campaign with television advertisements and full-page ads. She added: “With his amassed wealth—no media is asking where he get the money from? Whether it come from England, America or even Haiti. But everyone who is supportive of the UNC is called a financier.” The Prime Minister also accused Warner of “trying to buy out our supporters.”



This woman is amazing yes!  She never questioned the source of Jacks money when he was financing her run for PM ...now, all of a sudden that is a concern for her??  :bs:

ENT
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: D.H.W on July 10, 2013, 02:49:49 PM
tv6

A number of editors and journalists at the 'T&T Guardian' have walked off the job to protest alleged attempt by the board of directors to vet political stories before publication, following complaints by persons acting on behalf of the PP Govt
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: weary1969 on July 10, 2013, 05:48:34 PM
tv6

A number of editors and journalists at the 'T&T Guardian' have walked off the job to protest alleged attempt by the board of directors to vet political stories before publication, following complaints by persons acting on behalf of the PP Govt

Where have I heard this before?
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: D.H.W on July 10, 2013, 06:26:20 PM
MATT STATEMENT

The Media Association of Trinidad and Tobago is monitoring with serious concern the developing crisis at the Guardian Newspapers that is reportedly stems from political pressure , to soften the newspaper's editorial and investigative line.

Subsequently, publishers of the Guardian Newspaper sought to effect an editorial reshuffle in the newsroom, including the removal of Editor-in-Chief of the Guardian Newspaper, Ms Judy Raymond from the activities of her substantive post.

In protest of this action, several senior management executives and journalists have reportedly resigned .

These include the Guardian Newspaper's Managing Director Mr. Gabriel Faria and Mr. David Inglefield from his position as media sector head at the Ansa McAl group of companies, which holds substantial commercial interests across the local media industry.

Senior Journalists who have reportedly resigned in the wake of this interference include the Public Affairs editor Dr Sheila Rampersad and Investigative reporters Anika Gumbs and Denyse Renne.


We stand in support of our media colleagues some of whom are have had no professional choice but to resign from their posts, in protest of the attempt to intimidate editorial and managerial staff in this reshuffle and some of whom are now on the breadline.

MATT calls on fellow colleagues in the Media and civil society in general to consider these unfolding developments with alarm, and to stand together in the defense of the citizens of Trinidad and Tobago's right to freedom of expression as enshrined in the constitution of Trinidad and Tobago.

MATT will release further information as it comes to hand and we urge both politicians and media owners to respect the right of press freedom which is enshrined in our Constitution .

MATT EXECUTIVE
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Bourbon on July 10, 2013, 08:50:11 PM
Get it all and more from the Sunshine Press!!  :D


http://www.sunshinett.com/epaper/008/8th.html#32


And notice a trend eh. I thought Manning was supposed to be a dictator?
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: 1-868 on July 11, 2013, 09:11:01 AM
Sad day for democracy, says Warner  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
By Irene Medina Associate Editor

Story Created: Jul 10, 2013 at 10:44 PM ECT

Story Updated: Jul 11, 2013 at 10:55 AM ECT
“It is a sad day for democracy in this country,” interim political Leader of the newly formed Independent Liberal Party (ILP) Jack Warner said yesterday following resignations at the Guardian newspaper.
Warner, a former Cabinet minister in the People’s Partnership Government, said he believes political interference at the daily newspaper was worse than it had ever been before.
“I think this is worse than the days of the Patrick Manning administration,” he said, adding “where there is one attack on a media house, all media houses are under threat.”
Warner, who recently launched his own Sunshine weekly, added that what is “even worse is when a powerful media house as the Guardian allows itself to be threatened in such a way, then it is a sad day for democracy in this country.”
Sunshine is printed by the Guardian Media Limited, and Warner complained that he had some anxiety yesterday when the newspaper, which was finished printing at 11 a.m., was only “released” some three hours late.
“My attorney Om Lalla had to intervene on my behalf,” Warner stated. The back page lead story in the paper is headlined “Muzzle on Guardian”.
Warner himself, however, has attacked journalists in the past. He himself had launched a scathing attack on an Express reporter during a television programme last year
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Bourbon on July 11, 2013, 01:11:51 PM
Animal Farm indeed.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Jah Gol on July 11, 2013, 01:28:41 PM
Animal Farm indeed.
Orwell woulda say 'eh ?' if you told him the story of Trinidad.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Deeks on July 11, 2013, 03:19:23 PM
It is The Comedians. This man has the gall to mention that Patrick is a better dictator than Kams.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Bourbon on July 11, 2013, 04:50:43 PM
Animal Farm indeed.
Orwell woulda say 'eh ?' if you told him the story of Trinidad.


Especially as Boxer turn into Snowball.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: AB.Trini on July 12, 2013, 12:46:20 PM
The title of this thread is a erronerously misleading  or rhetorical in that, JW good or bad he has already staked his legacy in the history of TnT society,  in its politics and in its  sports. It is unfortunate that one who had all the potential to hold  up to our society the pinnacle of pride is now cast with such a dark cloud that is descending on what was thought to be a success story . A Trinidad tragic hero indeed with flaws exposed and actions that warrants  reflective rethinking. So what could this chapter in history look like? After following the debacle over the past five years from FIFA powerful  lieutenant to the ascend of political pinnacle now to a seemingly grasping at political straws to stay afloat, one wonders how this tale would be told . Will it be  a tale of  " sound and fury signifying nothing"?

The legacy unfortunately is intertwined with a brand of politics that seems from the onset to base its victory and spoils on decrying the former regimes and to castigate blame for the ills of society on the PNM. Article  upon article  alleges to concerted efforts to band together to bring down and eradicate the PNM  for what? what political gains could be gained from this action? At he PM victory speech I was encouraged by her sense of national unity, passion for the people and her edict to  govern with propriety, today I am dishearten by her apparent vendetta at the PNM and her targeted outright attacks on the opposition for mere what it appears to be political gains.

When have we witnessed a government that had such turmoil with/: appointments , appointments of some with fraudulent degrees ( this was alluded  to recently by a said former minister),  lack of competence in ministries, lack of ethical judgement, lack or management,  lack of effective decision making? When have we witnessed such nepotism and blatant ETHNIC divide? When Nizam M. made the allegation that the police force had ad propensity for a certain ethnic make up he was quickly lambasted but methinks it only served to expose what was in deed happening in our governance- look at the make up of our present government- which ministers hold down the most important portfolios?  then we have the 'jokey ' ministers:  sports- what does Gypsy have now?  and teh tken one is now oust by a supposed cabal more like ah bachannal group!!
 What we are seeing in this political arena is  the 'pot calling the kettle black ' politics-Imagine today one is being told NO NO yuh eh go be part of this government after allegedly supporting the 'You Ent See' in they last election; did the leader then even question  how the finances was running back then? look nah we eh chupid people in Trinidad was no one questioning how votes were being paid for and how kickbacks were obtained? ha boi  they eh call we trick Trinis fuh nothing we smarter than that.  From one who was the right hand man to acting PM to holding down power portfolios to now being on the  outside is ah bitter pill but say what the man eh blaming she he say he still eh seeing fault boi love is blind and justice does be blindfolded.  If indeed there is a cabal well look like they intent to take the last of the powerful ones yuh see cockroach really  should not be in fowl (foul party. Watch the composition of the leaders of this party well. what yuh seeing/ who yuh seeing ; Actions speaking louder than words.

When have we been duped as a nation by what appears to be self seeking, self aggrandizing, self powerful self corrupting politics? the ideals of democracy have apparently vanished for a shrine of greed and laden infested politics of greed. Could the people really be fooled most of the time?- I hope not all the time.

I really have to say that Tobago got it right politically-at the same time I hope that the constituents of Chaganuas West will wake up and not see colour-be it green yellow ,red, purple or what the flavour of the day is but trully see the ethics, moral integrity and the actions of those rather than listening to empty promises and payouts. Remember that empty vessels make the most noise.

What will be the next chapter  in this historical figure's legacy? If epiphanies are to be revealed, by men of knowledge, men of wisdom, there is hope that a wrong could be undone. Would it not be salt in the wound if JW aligns with the PNM to create a force of a political Tusnami that TnT has never seen before.

Bring back the ideals and principles of my hero our hero; the founding farther of our nation the RIGHT Honorable Dr.Eric Williams. That is how yuh go make REAL HISTORY JW!!! Get yuh Ballsier tie that yuh always wanted and come make  inroads.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: fishs on July 12, 2013, 11:34:43 PM
The title of this thread is a erronerously misleading  or rhetorical

Yuh literate illiterate. The history he will create is if he wins the seat as an independant, the fact that he has now formed a party may technically negate that but for all intents and purposes he is still an independent.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: congo on July 12, 2013, 11:39:48 PM
Easily the next Prime Minister of Trinidad and Tobago..Lord help us.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: lefty on July 13, 2013, 08:08:09 AM
ah hear d man say he come in govt with he deep pockets but d rest ah dem get their's three weeks into govt and now yuh can't even find d bottom ....................hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm curiouser and curiouser.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: mal jeux on July 13, 2013, 08:22:57 AM
Easily the next Prime Minister of Trinidad and Tobago..Lord help us.

lets hope uncle sam comes calling before oui, cause noone in the history of trinbago does do time for raping the country.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: congo on July 13, 2013, 10:21:41 PM
Politics in this place is such as weird thing. He wanna go back in the PP if he wins but yet they corrupt according to him. She wants him back in the PP but he mustn't go up for elections. LOL
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: 1-868 on July 14, 2013, 08:00:51 AM
How come the "Guardian" can't bust files on the government, but the same government using the "Express" to bust files on Jack? STEUPPPPP!!!

JACK’s MONEY PIT
Former minister solicited and received millions of dollars from wealthy business interests

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/JACKs--MONEY--PIT-215402551.html

Suruj defends ‘Guardian’
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Suruj-defends-Guardian-215402151.html
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: D.H.W on July 14, 2013, 12:07:27 PM
I accepting gifts and donations if anybody want to send me.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: sammy on July 14, 2013, 07:52:23 PM
jack is the smartest politician we have right now
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: AB.Trini on July 14, 2013, 09:31:55 PM
Hope yuh not equating smart with intelligence maybe shrewd/ I also hope that intelligent people could see past all the bravado and facade. Espoused intentions and actual intent behind actions  should be scrutinizd when it comes to one who is under deep suspicions and rampant allegations.

Then again it does not take muck to dupe th electorate= the present government did a masterful job of that in the last election now we are seeing the fruits of competence mismanagement fraudulent appointments with questionable credentials and incompetent decision making. Check out the state of Emergency= big facade to catch all criminals; it was like going fishing catching all the fish and throwing them back in the sea to spawn.

Yeah apparently today in TnT 'Smartness' and deception sleeping in the same bed.

Read waht two former  smart men ha to say in today's newspapers  Guardian & Express; Talkj about 'pot calling the kettle black' politics Yeah them too was considered smart until they get caught.



Manning condemns Jack

Story Created: Jul 14, 2013 at 11:37 PM ECT

Story Updated: Jul 14, 2013 at 11:37 PM ECT
FORMER prime minister Patrick Manning yesterday condemned former national security minister Jack Warner, calling him unfit to hold any office in the country.
On Manning’s Facebook page, he posted this status: “Having read the lead story in the Trinidad Express newspaper today (yesterday) which was supported by evidence. I want to condemn in the strongest manner this most inappropriate fraudulent behaviour of Mr Austin Jack Warner. He is not fit to hold ANY office in Trinidad and Tobago! Kamla Persad Bissessar is also culpable. She has proven to be the absolute worst Prime Minister in this country’s history to have had this type of activity taking place under her watch.”
Up to 7 p.m. the status, which was posted one hour earlier, had 166 likes, 27 comments and 20 people sharing the status.
In the Sunday Express article it was reported that Warner solicited millions of dollars from wealthy business interests that do work for the State. —Jensen LaVende


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Former prime minister Basdeo Panday believes constitutional reform will rid T&T of racial and ethnic voting.  Rishi Ragoonath

Constitutional reform is the only way to rid T&T of racial and ethnic voting. This is the view of former prime minister Basdeo Panday, who is accusing both the People’s Partnership Government and the Opposition People’s National Movement of not wanting constitutional reform because it suited their selfish purposes.

 

The country’s fifth head of government, now 80, Panday contended that it would be unfair to ask Jack Warner, the interim leader of the Independent Liberal Party, to disclose where his campaign funds for the July 29 by-election in Chaguanas West are coming from, since maybe Warner himself cannot answer that question.

 

 

Q: Mr Panday, I imagine perhaps you are in political glee?
A: (Leaning forward on his desk at the Rienzi Complex office of the Panday Foundation, Wednesday morning, with a perplexed expression on his face) Glee? Why should I be in my political glee?
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: 1-868 on July 16, 2013, 11:08:55 AM
http://www.tntfinder.com/news/warner-goes-after-ameen-rambachan-listing-2630.aspx

Warner told ILP supporters he intends to produce photographs to show why Ameen is not fit for public office.“Some of them I can’t show you, cause it not fit for children to see.”

Interim Political Leader of the Independent Liberal Party Jack Warner the time has come for him to go after the UNC cabal and UNC candidate for Chaguanas West Khadijah Ameen.

Warner made the statement at a cottage meeting last evening.

He said, “Timing is everything and this is the correct time, so I going after them.”

And while during the campaign Warner promised to stay clear of mud-slinging he trained his guns on the “cabal”. He said, “I have to rid this country. This country have to be rid of Suruj Rambachan once and for all. He is the most vindictive politician alive. And we re today where we are because of him.”

Warner also said he will expose Ameen at his political meeting on Friday.

He told ILP supporters he intends to produce photographs to show why Ameen is not fit for public office.

“Some of them I can’t show you, cause it not fit for children to see.”

He also said he will address the Prime Minister, whom he said he pity’s because he maintained she is being controlled by a cabal.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: sammy on July 16, 2013, 11:48:26 AM
i take back what i said about jack...i thought he was smart enough to let the PM sink Kadijah chances, but now he getting desperate.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Jah Gol on July 16, 2013, 12:13:39 PM
I just see a pimped out green Hummer on the bus route with ILP and Warner's face emblazoned on the side.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Flex on July 18, 2013, 02:07:20 AM
Jack: I gave up US green card
By Joel Julien
 

INTERIM leader of the Independent Liberal Party (ILP), Jack Warner, yesterday said he has surrendered his green card and replaced it with a ten-year visa to the United States.
Warner said he only made the change because as a politician it was more feasible to have a visa than a green card.
The entire process lasted 15 minutes and took place at the United States Embassy in Port of Spain on December 28 last year, he said.
Warner said the only person who was with him at the time was his then adviser, Francis Joseph.
In June, Joseph was appointed Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar’s press secretary.
Persad-Bissessar raised the question about Warner’s green card in her speech at this week’s United National Congress (UNC) Monday Night Forum.
Warner said he could not believe Persad-Bissessar would raise such a “foolish story” on the political platform.
He responded to Persad-Bissessar following the opening of one of two ILP sub-offices yesterday.
The first sub-office is at 58 Jerningham Junction Road, Charlieville, and is the home of recently fired CEPEP contractor Simeon Mahabir.
Speaking following the official ribbon-cutting ceremony, Warner outlined the process used in surrendering his green card.
“I got a green card in 1991 when I used to travel all over the world and I was not in politics, that was good. Now in politics every six months I have to go in the States to keep it alive. Every six months and sometimes when I miss the date and so on and I go up there like in June (last year), they are of course very angry with me when that happens,” Warner said.
“So I went in June (last year). I renewed my green card. I went in November (last year), I renewed my green card, and by the way on both occasions the same prime minister approved my travel and appointed ministers in my absence. When I came back in November after renewing my green card, I said it doesn’t make sense, I have no intention of living in the States or of working in the States, so on December 28 I took Francis Joseph with me, who is now her chief media adviser, and time to come I will say more about Francis Joseph, he’s for a different time, not for now. I took him with me to the US Embassy and I told them I want to give up this green card for a visa,” he said.
“So with a visa I don’t have to go every six months, I can go anytime. In 15 minutes the US Embassy took my green card and gave me a ten-year visa,” Warner said.
“What have I done wrong, Suruj (Rambachan) had a green card, ent he gave it up too? Why am I hustling to leave people business and leave work unattended to go up to the States just to say I have a green card?” Warner said.
“What is the problem. I don’t want a US green card, the only green I want is the ILP green,” he said.
Warner yesterday chided Kamla Persad-Bissessar for labelling him and constituents of Chaguanas West as “lagahoos”.
“They calling me a lagahoo because I am out early in the morning. But I don’t be drunk that hour or have a hang­over so I can go and do the people’s work,” Warner said.
He said Persad-Bissessar was also being disrespectful to the constituents who come to see him for help at that hour.
He said people are running scared because of his intention to show a picture of UNC candidate Khadijah Ameen tomorrow night.
Warner said for the past 11 weeks he has been running a clean campaign and does not plan to change his modus operandi in the final week.
Warner said he plans to show only one picture of Ameen, and it has nothing to do with her “morals and dignity as a woman”, but it will show “her incompetence”.
Warner said he doubts once people see this photograph they will vote for or even talk to Ameen.
The second ILP sub-office Warner opened yesterday was at 111 Cacandee Road, Felicity.
He also held a walkabout in Felicity after the opening of the second sub-office.

Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Bourbon on July 18, 2013, 05:58:09 AM
Jack: I gave up US green card
By Joel Julien
 

Warner said the only person who was with him at the time was his then adviser, Francis Joseph.
In June, Joseph was appointed Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar’s press secretary.
....

 I took Francis Joseph with me, who is now her chief media adviser, and time to come I will say more about Francis Joseph, he’s for a different time, not for now. I took him with me to the US Embassy and I told them I want to give up this green card for a visa,” he said.
................

“They calling me a lagahoo because I am out early in the morning. But I don’t be drunk that hour or have a hang­over so I can go and do the people’s work,” Warner said.

Warner said he plans to show only one picture of Ameen, and it has nothing to do with her “morals and dignity as a woman”, but it will show “her incompetence”.





Well ent yuh wanted to use Francis Joseph to not pay de WC 2006 team? I hope he continue leaking all wha yuh doh.

Some skirmish shots firing doh. I hear the pic..was rumored to be one of a compromising position.....but dey using one of her fast asleep in a TPRC meeting...down to dribble and all.


Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: D.H.W on July 18, 2013, 06:03:38 AM
This will back fire bad on Jack.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Jah Gol on July 18, 2013, 07:56:46 AM
I can't believe I'm about to defend Warner but if he's lying about that greencard situation, it's a fairly good lie.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Jah Gol on July 18, 2013, 08:02:24 AM
Jack: I gave up US green card
By Joel Julien
 

Warner said the only person who was with him at the time was his then adviser, Francis Joseph.
In June, Joseph was appointed Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar’s press secretary.
....

 I took Francis Joseph with me, who is now her chief media adviser, and time to come I will say more about Francis Joseph, he’s for a different time, not for now. I took him with me to the US Embassy and I told them I want to give up this green card for a visa,” he said.
................

“They calling me a lagahoo because I am out early in the morning. But I don’t be drunk that hour or have a hang­over so I can go and do the people’s work,” Warner said.

Warner said he plans to show only one picture of Ameen, and it has nothing to do with her “morals and dignity as a woman”, but it will show “her incompetence”.


Well ent yuh wanted to use Francis Joseph to not pay de WC 2006 team? I hope he continue leaking all wha yuh doh.

Some skirmish shots firing doh. I hear the pic..was rumored to be one of a compromising position.....but dey using one of her fast asleep in a TPRC meeting...down to dribble and all.

Kamla actually has been a lot dirtier than Warner and she started it too. I don't know if Warner even need to release in compromising photo's of Ameen. In any case when you want to play dirty you should let an anonymous hatchetman to do that.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: weary1969 on July 18, 2013, 08:06:50 AM
Jack: I gave up US green card
By Joel Julien
 

Warner said the only person who was with him at the time was his then adviser, Francis Joseph.
In June, Joseph was appointed Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar’s press secretary.
....

 I took Francis Joseph with me, who is now her chief media adviser, and time to come I will say more about Francis Joseph, he’s for a different time, not for now. I took him with me to the US Embassy and I told them I want to give up this green card for a visa,” he said.
................

“They calling me a lagahoo because I am out early in the morning. But I don’t be drunk that hour or have a hang­over so I can go and do the people’s work,” Warner said.

Warner said he plans to show only one picture of Ameen, and it has nothing to do with her “morals and dignity as a woman”, but it will show “her incompetence”.





Well ent yuh wanted to use Francis Joseph to not pay de WC 2006 team? I hope he continue leaking all wha yuh doh.

Some skirmish shots firing doh. I hear the pic..was rumored to be one of a compromising position.....but dey using one of her fast asleep in a TPRC meeting...down to dribble and all.




Exactly Frances eat ah food Joesph
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Brownsugar on July 18, 2013, 10:29:17 AM
Jack: I gave up US green card
By Joel Julien
 

Warner said the only person who was with him at the time was his then adviser, Francis Joseph.
In June, Joseph was appointed Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar’s press secretary.
....

 I took Francis Joseph with me, who is now her chief media adviser, and time to come I will say more about Francis Joseph, he’s for a different time, not for now. I took him with me to the US Embassy and I told them I want to give up this green card for a visa,” he said.
................

“They calling me a lagahoo because I am out early in the morning. But I don’t be drunk that hour or have a hang­over so I can go and do the people’s work,” Warner said.

Warner said he plans to show only one picture of Ameen, and it has nothing to do with her “morals and dignity as a woman”, but it will show “her incompetence”.





Well ent yuh wanted to use Francis Joseph to not pay de WC 2006 team? I hope he continue leaking all wha yuh doh.

Some skirmish shots firing doh. I hear the pic..was rumored to be one of a compromising position.....but dey using one of her fast asleep in a TPRC meeting...down to dribble and all.




Exactly Frances eat ah food Joesph

Wait, wait, wait......STOP DE PRESS!!!! He gone against Frances Joseph??!!  NAH :o :o

WWWWWWWHHHHHAAAAATTTTT?? ?? ? ??!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: D.H.W on July 18, 2013, 12:20:42 PM
https://twitter.com/expressupdates/status/357926747213283328
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: davyjenny1 on July 19, 2013, 08:07:35 AM

From T&T Express



http://www.trinidadexpress.com/letters/Jack-should-forget-politics-and-save-his-legacy-215756671.html
Jack should forget politics ...and save his legacy

Story Created: Jul 16, 2013 at 8:16 PM ECT

Story Updated: Jul 16, 2013 at 10:01 PM ECT

Two things about charisma:

• it could be manufactured—ask Hollywood;

• it makes you loved or hated; there’s no in between.

For 40 years, Jack Warner has been in the limelight as a FIFA heavyweight. A generation has grown up with no idea of life without him. Undoubtedly, Jack’s charis­matic. But, does the love outweigh the hate? Let his history tell.

Over the years, Jack:

• became a top honcho of FIFA—Positive One—consequently,

• acquired great influence and wealth—Positive Two.

• he used most of that fortune to make family and close friends very comfortable—Positive Three—and

• some to help a number of people escape financial difficulty—Positive Four.

However, recent damning FIFA disclosures strongly suggest Jack Warner committed a string of fouls in accumulating his possessions—Negatives One, Two, Three, Four, Five, Six, Seven, Eight, Nine, Ten, Eleven and Twelve.

To date, he has not cleared his name—Negative Thirteen.

Four positives; 13 negatives. People aren’t upset with Jack sinning—they’re vexed because his faults greatly outweigh his positives. If Jack were in the cinema watching a movie of his life, he and all would be appalled at the main character’s conduct!

Sensible Jackos would’ve checked themselves after reports like Sir David Simmons’s. Wise people operate so after discovering they have cancer. Initially, Jack seemed to be stocktaking; it turned out he doesn’t care a fig—the man’s trying to return to Parliament, without discarding his backpack of negatives.

Intense media focus on Chaguanas West has unearthed the true condition of “the best represented” constituency in T&T—walking through the area is like stepping backward in time—under Jack, Chaguanas West has lagged. The Prime Minister rightly cannot believe it. The revelation has hit Jack’s re-election campaign like a ton of bricks.

Despite everything, I still like Jack and don’t wish to see him die sullied. Please, Jack, forget politics and focus on saving your legacy from being totally shredded on July 29.

Judy Francis

Chaguanas
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: weary1969 on July 19, 2013, 09:00:55 AM
Joseph denies going to US embassy with Warner
By Multimedia Desk


Francis Joseph, Press Secretary to the Prime Minister has denied visiting the United States Embassy with former National Security Minister Jack Warner when he (Warner) went to relinquish his green card.

During the opening of a second Independent Liberal Party's (ILP) sub-office at Cacandee Road in Felicity yesterday, Warner said the only person who was with him when he went to the embassy was his then adviser, Francis Joseph.

In response to Warner's statement, Joseph issued the following press release earlier today:

"Having heard on television and radio, and read in today's newspapers what Mr. Jack Warner said about me, I would like to make it categorically clear that I NEVER WENT WITH JACK WARNER TO THE US EMBASSY TO GIVE UP HIS GREEN CARD.

I was totally surprised that Mr. Warner would insinuate that I, now being the Press Secretary to the Prime Minister,would have given her that information.

That is totally untrue and unfounded.

I worked with Mr Warner for three years and during that time, I remained loyal and confidential despite the barrage of attacks on him. I was even the victim of attacks by some of my former media colleagues for working with Mr Warner, but I stayed the course because I had a contribution to make.

It is the same way I remain loyal and confidential at the Office of the Prime Minister.

On most occasions when Mr Warner had to leave the country, I was at the Piarco Airport to see him off, and was back at the airport for his return. I was present when he left on November 25, 2012 and when he returned on November 27, 2012.

I read where Mr Warner said he went to the US Embassy on December 28, 2012 and gave up his Green Card. Again, I state, I did not go with Mr Warner to the US Embassy on that date, or any other date. Based on checks I made this morning, he was taken there by his security detail.

Mr Warner never informed me that he gave up his Green Card. I learnt about this when the Hon Prime Minister spoke at a political meeting earlier this week.

I wrote to Mr Warner this morning pointing out his error when he said I accompanied him to the US Embassy. Despite it all, I have the utmost respect for Mr Warner, and do wish him all the best in the by-election on July 29th.

Regards

Francis Joseph

Press Secretary

July 18, 2013

Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: mal jeux on July 19, 2013, 09:15:31 AM
austin trying hard to be an also-ran.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: jingleheimer_Schmidt on July 20, 2013, 03:13:18 PM
 :rotfl:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/946301_495378437214736_1834311107_n.jpg)

Warner getting down!
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: sammy on July 20, 2013, 09:08:56 PM
yuh see this one jack reveal with khadijah?

lol

(http://news.power102fm.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Khadija-money-pic.jpg)
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: AB.Trini on July 20, 2013, 10:50:53 PM
That is the tsunami pictures he released on Friday steups
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: fishs on July 21, 2013, 01:39:43 AM

 Khadijass look like ah drug lord in that pic.

 BTW Guardian steal plagarise mih poll
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Bourbon on July 21, 2013, 06:59:57 AM
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2013-07-20/jack%E2%80%99s-passport-recall-election-tactic
Quote
A Government directive to withdraw former FIFA vice-president and up-coming Chaguanas West by-election candidate Jack Warner’s diplomatic passport could be a well-engineered plan to take him out of the election equation, a legal source is alleging. The diplomatic passport, issued to all Government MPs, gave Warner protective immunity and without it, he is now open to possible extradition by US law-enforcement authorities, the source said.
 
“Remember Warner’s son, Daryan Warner, has been named as a co-operating witness into an FBI investigation into FIFA corruption.” Warner, at a Chaguanas West meeting, strenuously denied that he or any of his family members is being investigated by US authorities. But the legal source, requesting strict anonymity, insisted, “Without the immunity provided by his diplomatic passport, the US can now request Warner’s extradition.”
 
He continued,“The timing of the Government’s retrieval of Warner’s diplomatic passport is very opportune and relevant. “It would be a challenge for the Government if he wins the Chaguanas West by-election. It could spell the downfall of the People’s Partnership Government. Other dissatisfied government MPs will want to leave.”
 
The T&T Guardian contacted the US Embassy, asking if that country put pressure on the T&T Government to retrieve Warner’s passport and if he was under any investigation in the US. It was also asked if Warner could now be nabbed by US marshals. But the US remains tightlipped about the Warner matter. Press specialist Charleen Thomas sent back a release which she said should be viewed as a US Embassy response to the questions.
 
“As a matter of long standing policy, we are not able to comment on law-enforcement matters or on individual immigration cases. “Any questions related to T&T passports should be directed to the Government of T&T.” Warner resigned as national security minister and Chaguanas West MP amidst widespread calls for him to do so after a damning report on Concacaf during his tenure there.

 
He was rejected by the Government as a UNC candidate in the July 29 Chaguanas West by-election and has formed his own party, the Independent Liberal Party, to contest the seat. He said on Thursday he received a call from acting Chief Immigration Officer Keith Sampson telling him to immediately surrender his diplomatic passport. Acting Foreign Affairs Minister Dr Roodal Moonilal said the ministry asked the National Security Ministry to assist with retrieving it.
 
Moonilal, in a newspaper interview, said the passport is the property of the Government of T&T and must be returned when a minister no longer holds office. The Guardian called Attorney General Anand Ramlogan for a response on the matter but he said he does not issue passports, and to check with the Foreign Affairs Ministry.
 
Lisa Daniel-Charles, communications officer at the Foreign Affairs Ministry, said there was no information there about the US putting pressure on the Government to retrieve Warner’s passport. The Guardian tried National Security Minister Emmanuel George, under whose ministry the Immigration Division falls, but he referred the matter back to the Foreign Affairs Ministry.
 
Told that some are of the view that the retrieval of Warner’s passport is a plan to remove him from the Chaguanas West by-election equation, he replied, “Let them say that. “People are saying all sorts of things.” Pressed on the Warner issue, George said, “I don’t know. Don’t ask me. You are asking me things I am not familiar with.”

 
 
Panday’s Response
Former prime minister Basdeo Panday, asked his views on the handing back of diplomatic passports, said it is the government that can determine who has one and who does not. Giving his own experience, Panday said, “When I ceased to be a member of Cabinet, I handed up my diplomatic passport. And I also gave it up when I was no longer prime minister or leader of the opposition.
 
“I went on blue (passports for ordinary citizens). And when that expired, I applied through the Parliament and was told I am entitled (as a former prime minister) to a diplomatic passport. “Yes, I have a diplomatic passport. It’s stamped ‘former prime minister.’” Panday said the government, after you have given up your diplomatic passport, can decide if to allow you to have one again. He said he was unaware the US wanted Warner for an investigation or is seeking to extradite him.
 
Panday, who was ousted as leader of the UNC by Persad-Bissessar, said he has no doubt, however, that the timing of the retrieval of Warner’s passport has to do with “the present political struggles and the upcoming local government elections.”
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Brownsugar on July 21, 2013, 07:35:11 AM

 Khadijass look like ah drug lord in that pic.

She say it was from a sou sou birthday party.....mih still confused by what dat mean..... ???

 BTW Guardian steal plagarise mih poll

Eh??  Say what now??

Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Brownsugar on July 21, 2013, 07:38:23 AM
How all yuh eh post this one??.......Tivoli Gardens.....Chaguanas West same thing......

Jack In Front
New exclusive poll shows Chaguanas West by-election race heating up


By By Asha Javeed

Jack Warner, interim leader of the Independent Liberal Party (ILP), is ahead of the other contenders in the Chaguanas West by-election on July 29, a new poll has shown.
He has a commanding lead in the race with an approval rating of 48 per cent.
Warner is followed by United National Congress (UNC) candidate Khadijah Ameen who has 23 per cent rating and the People’s National Movement (PNM) candidate Avinash Singh who has three per cent.
However, 26 per cent of people polled remain undecided in the by-election race.
Other candidates had negligible support.

The poll was conducted by local company Solution by Simulation and was commissioned by the Trinidad Express Newspapers.
Solution by Simulation interviewed 302 likely voters by telephone from the period July 16-18. The poll has a margin of error of 5.8 per cent.
The poll noted that with one week to go, there weren’t many areas for the United National Congress (UNC) to close the gap. 

While the election has been described as person versus party, the poll showed that even though Warner was in the lead, it was not because Chaguanas West had abandoned party as an important consideration.
For Chaguanas West voters, 77 per cent still believe party affiliation is important, 61 per cent believe that it is very important and five per cent said it was not important.
With regard to the issue of race, Warner performed significantly better among Indo-Trinidadians than Afro-Trinidadians.
The same could be said of the UNC.

Among Afro-Trinidadians, who make up five per cent of voters, Warner similarly captures half the votes, with the other half split almost evenly between the People’s National Movement (PNM) candidate Singh’s supporters and those undecided.
The Congress of the People (COP) faction, which comprises six per cent of voters, has been divided in their disposition towards Warner and the by-election. The poll concluded that Warner does well among COP voters as well as traditional UNC voters.
The poll stated that the undecided 26 per cent voters are likely to be older and women.
 It noted that if the UNC’s Ameen is able to capture some of these voters, she could close the gap.
“Given that voters in Chaguanas West have overwhelmingly expressed preference for Mr Warner and those same voters believe that party affiliation is “very important”, it is not unreasonable to assume that their choice for Mr Warner is not a one-time exception but that these same voters will be loyal to other ILP candidates, for example in the upcoming election for Chaguanas Borough Corporation in October,” the poll said.

Jack Warner/ILP
The predominant factor to Warner’s lead is his personal appeal with a favourability rating of 74 per cent. Even among the undecided voters, his favourability is at 62 per cent. Among the Khadijah Ameen’s supporters, more people (42 per cent) like him than don’t (37 per cent). He has the support of two out of every three decided voters.
“As much as 77 per cent of Chaguanas West voters still believe that party affiliation is still important when deciding who to vote for, suggesting that Mr Warner’s personal appeal has translated into the creation of a new political force which is successfully contending head-on against the UNC brand, henceforth invincible in this constituency,” the poll noted.

Khadijah Ameen/ UNC
While Ameen has a 25 per cent base support, the Solution by Simulation poll concludes that she has an uphill climb ahead of her.
“Unlike Mr Warner, her support rate underperforms that of her party and she still has work to do even to solidify support among those who remain loyal to the UNC,” it noted.
Ameen’s favourability is at 39 per cent. Four per cent of voters did not recognise the name “Khadijah Ameen” until they were prompted that she was the UNC candidate. Even among those who plan to vote for her, 13 per cent had “no opinion” of her.

Avinash Singh/PNM
At three per cent in the poll, Singh’s rating is within the margin of error. Less than half of the voters had any opinion of him at all and 14 per cent did not recognise the name “Avinash Singh” until prompted that he was the PNM candidate. The poll observed that he is not even guaranteed to win majority support among traditional PNM supporters, many of whom plan to vote for Warner.           

About Solution
by Simulation

 
Solution by Simulation was founded by Nigel AR Henry, BS (Yale) MA (GWU), following his stint as the lead numerical analyst for the Southeast USA for Obama for America Campaign 2008. It began in the United States, providing data analysis for political candidates at all levels, from mayor up to United States senator. It debuted in Trinidad and Tobago with a 2013 Tobago House of Assembly election poll--first publicly-published poll to predict a PNM victory in that election, and the only poll to predict a PNM landslide. Eleven seats were correctly called for the PNM, with the remaining seat declared too close to call at the time.

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Jack-and-the-inflated-55m-bill-216313311.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Jack-and-the-inflated-55m-bill-216313311.html)
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: D.H.W on July 21, 2013, 07:48:29 AM
Americans will lock him up before he take office
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: jingleheimer_Schmidt on July 21, 2013, 08:58:45 AM
This country in a sad state if warner win that elections

We will make top 5 in the most corrupt countries
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Bourbon on July 21, 2013, 09:22:28 AM
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Jack-asks-Planning-Minister-to-pay-up-216313121.html

Jack asks Planning Minister to pay up
Inflated $5.5m bill on Pump Trace project

By Camini Marajh Head Investigative Desk
Story Created: Jul 20, 2013 at 10:26 PM ECT
Story Updated: Jul 20, 2013 at 11:28 PM ECT
As the battle for the Chaguanas West parliamentary seat puts the murky business of party financing in the public spotlight, documents obtained by the Sunday Express show that the leading candidate in the upcoming July 29 poll, Austin Jack Warner made a personal intervention on behalf on an Arvin Kalloo company for payment of an inflated bill of public works relating to a recreation ground at Pump Trace in Laventille.
On December 11 last year, the then Minister of National Security, forwarded an invoice for $5.5 million to his colleague in Planning and the Economy, Dr Bhoe Tewarie, for construction works undertaken in east Port of Spain by a company called Park Square Development Co Ltd for which no contract or scope of works exists.
When and how the construction works originated or who awarded the multi-million dollar package of works to Park Square Development Co Ltd remains something of a mystery as there is no record of the project on file either at the Ministry of Planning and the Economy or its special purpose State company tasked with transforming the east Port of Spain area.
The Warner-submitted invoice to his colleague in Planning and the Economy is dated December 6, 2012 and signed by the managing director of Park Square Development Co Ltd, Marlon Alves. The invoice is addressed to the Ministry of Planning and bills the State for a range of goods and services, including false claims for sealant carrying a $1.1 million price tag and a wire wall fence at the princely sum of $972,270.
The Warner letter, issued on a Minister of National Security letterhead, contains this brief paragraph: “Attached for approval and payment is invoice No.206 dated December 6, 2012 from Park Square Development Co Ltd, for works completed at the Pump Trace Reservoir, Pump Trace, Laventille. The attached is submitted for your consideration.” The letter is signed Jack Warner.
Investigations conducted by the State special purpose company, East Port of Spain Development Co Ltd, found that a substantial number of items identified in the invoice for “works completed” were not done, including application of bituminous sealant, main and pedestrian gates, basketball rings and backboards, netball ring and post and PVC-coated wire wall fence, among other things.
Using industry comparable rates, the State company estimated the total value of works evident on the ground at $692,000 inclusive of an average 15 per cent profit. The bill was inflated by some $4.8 million. The East Port of Spain Development Co experts put the estimated cost of works, had it been completed as specified in the invoice, at $1,664,136 Value Added Tax (VAT) inclusive.
Warner did not answer or immediately return messages left on his phone while Tewarie admitted to being approached by his former colleague in National Security about a sporting facility on the top of a huge concrete water tank in Pump Trace. He said he agreed to the  request  and  suggested that the East PoS Development Co be involved since it was not a project budgeted for and details would have to be worked out.
Shortly after this conversation, Tewarie said he received an invoice for completed works from Minister Warner. He said he sent the Warner-submitted invoice to the East PoS Company and was surprised to later learn from the acting chairman Paul Solomon that the company had no involvement or knowledge of the project.
He said the Solomon-led board questioned the costs associated with the project for which no contract or scope of works had been issued. A subsequent investigation found that three firms were involved in the project, the two Kalloo identified companies and a community company called Netfix Roofing, which was contracted by Kall Co to handle the labour-only aspect of the contract.
Tewarie said the State company indicated that they could have executed the project for a fifth of the submitted invoice cost. He said he shared the information with his permanent secretary Arlene McComie who held the view that neither the Planning Ministry nor the East PoS Development Co had any responsibility in the matter.
“I sent the report to Warner asking that we meet to discuss because I found the report troubling,” said Tewarie adding that, “he never responded and we never had the meeting”.
 He said no payment was made to any of the parties involved. McCommie made clear when contacted last week that her ministry ran a tight ship and adhered to strict rules in the disbursement of public funds.
Solomon said having investigated the invoice claim, he could not recommend payment. “Prior to this we had absolutely no knowledge of the existence of this project. I wish to state categorically that neither the board nor the management and staff of the East PoS Development Co had any knowledge of, or hand in, its commissioning or its execution.”
He expressed concern that the works were carried out in direct contradiction to the policies and processes that “the board and management had worked diligently to adhere to during its tenure”.
 His managing director Deborah Thomas said there appeared to be some confusion about which of the two Kalloo companies did the work but in the end it really didn’t matter since it was not work the state had initiated or commissioned.
The East PoS Co found that Park Square subcontracted Kall Co which in turn contracted the community group Netfix Roofing to do the labour part of the contract for half a million dollars. Kalloo was the incorporator on record, a shareholder and a former director of Park Square Development. He is also the controlling shareholder and a former director of Kall Co Ltd.
Reached for comment on the $5.5 million bill submitted via the former minister of national security, Kalloo said only: “I knows nothing about that.” His stock response to questions about Park Square, Kall Co Ltd and the Pump Trace project was that he had no knowledge. Michael Arjune, the development manager of Kall Co later called the Sunday Express to say that Pump Trace was a community development project that was done to help alleviate crime in the area.
He said he had no knowledge how the contract originated. In fact, according to him, there was no cost at all attached to the project. He claimed it was “a community job” done free of charge. Asked about the $5.5 million bill submitted to the state for payment, he said he had no knowledge about that and insisted that it was all “volunteer work” to help an at-risk community.
The invoice showed that the Kalloo company billed the State $972,270 for a wire wall fence but instead used a six-foot high chain-link fencing. It claimed a $1.1 million tab for sealant but used instead a tennis court green paint. It also billed the Ministry of Planning for $360,000 electrical work that was not done, $276,000 in paint that was not done and $70,000 for basketball rings that were never installed, among other things.
The issue of procurement fraud and campaign financing has surfaced in this hotly contested by-election which has caused an implosion within the major party in the ruling coalition. Last Sunday, this newspaper reported at length about Warner’s improper solicitation of millions of dollars from wealthy business interests that do business with the state.
The corruption-tainted former government minister and football powerhouse response has been: “So what?” and a counterattack that other ministers in the People’s Partnership Government also solicited funds for the purchase of toys and other incentive type arrangements. In the case of Warner, he solicited and received over $9.5 million to the bank account of a private company in which he held an interest.
He also received a $200,000 payment from international French contractor Vinci Construction in February of 2011, the year he got in deep trouble over the bribes-for-votes affair at the Hyatt hotel. Vinci’s project manager Benjamin Pepe, who took up duties in Trinidad late last year said he has no knowledge of the payment made to Warner. “I am not aware of that at all,” he said, conceding that the French construction giant has strict rules relating to the payment of gifts to foreign public officials.
He also admitted that the contract for the final package of works on the Uriah Butler Interchange was signed off in 2012, after the $200,000 February 2011 payment to JLM Quality, an associate Warner company.  Warner had solicited money ostensibly for the Ministry of Works annual Christmas party and sports day events.
 
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: D.H.W on July 21, 2013, 09:31:26 AM
If the government had did what they suppose to do and arrest his tail early they would not be in this situation. At least investigate him. He time will come
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Jah Gol on July 22, 2013, 05:29:25 AM
‘...Attack on Hindus in campaign’

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The Chaguanas West by-election campaign has “an undercurrent of an attack on the Hindu community”, United National Congress deputy political leader Dr Roodal Moonilal said yesterday.

“We will not see it at first sight...you don’t see the undercurrent so sometimes you can participate in your own denigration without knowing. It is not coincidental that there is an attack on the (children of Dr Suruj Rambachan and Chandresh Sharma)—a Hindu child. What they are trying to develop is the idea that if your children are successful they thief to get there... It is a way to demonise your community,” he said.
Moonilal and several of his Cabinet colleagues, including Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar, Attorney General Anand Ramlogan, Transport Minister Chandresh Sharma and Food Production Minister Devant Maharaj, attended Sunday morning service at the Devi Temple, Caroni Savannah Road, Chaguanas, on the invitation of Maha Sabha secretary general Sat Maharaj.

He noted that the Land Rover sport utility vehicle (SUV) that had been leased through the Housing Development Company (HDC), a State enterprise under his purview, for his use was now “parked in a garage somewhere”.
“I driving the same vehicle for two years, a Rover SUV and is only when the campaign start and Jack Warner start campaigning they start attacking me for the vehicle. So I stop using it because I say I don’t want to distract from the campaign. It is now parked in a garage somewhere. It is the same money we paying every month and nobody saying anything. You can pay the same money every month once Roodal Moonilal not using it. It is the same money, you know, but I must not use it. I must still be on the bull-cart,” he said.
“If I use a Rover or a BMW, that is not for you, but if Keith Rowley was doing that before that is fine. That is good. What he is saying now in 2013 is put you back on that bison. They want you back there and want to use different strategies. This is a time of awakening for us. You must see what is happening. You must see the attack.”

He referred to his former Cabinet colleague, interim political leader of the Independent Liberal Party (ILP) Jack Warner only as “he”, saying that his supporters were “only putting mala (a Hindu garland) on this fella. They put about 20 mala on him, you couldn’t see his face. But when I look through the list of people recommended (in Chaguanas West) for housing I didn’t see anybody named Mala, you know”.

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Attack-on-Hindus-in-campaign-216382371.html
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Bourbon on July 22, 2013, 05:45:27 AM
‘...Attack on Hindus in campaign’

The Chaguanas West by-election campaign has “an undercurrent of an attack on the Hindu community”, United National Congress deputy political leader Dr Roodal Moonilal said yesterday.

“We will not see it at first sight...you don’t see the undercurrent so sometimes you can participate in your own denigration without knowing. It is not coincidental that there is an attack on the (children of Dr Suruj Rambachan and Chandresh Sharma)—a Hindu child. What they are trying to develop is the idea that if your children are successful they thief to get there... It is a way to demonise your community,” he said.
“I driving the same vehicle for two years, a Rover SUV and is only when the campaign start and Jack Warner start campaigning they start attacking me for the vehicle. So I stop using it because I say I don’t want to distract from the campaign. It is now parked in a garage somewhere. It is the same money we paying every month and nobody saying anything. You can pay the same money every month once Roodal Moonilal not using it. It is the same money, you know, but I must not use it. I must still be on the bull-cart,” he said.
“If I use a Rover or a BMW, that is not for you, but if Keith Rowley was doing that before that is fine. That is good. What he is saying now in 2013 is put you back on that bison. They want you back there and want to use different strategies. This is a time of awakening for us. You must see what is happening. You must see the attack.”


He referred to his former Cabinet colleague, interim political leader of the Independent Liberal Party (ILP) Jack Warner only as “he”, saying that his supporters were “only putting mala (a Hindu garland) on this fella. They put about 20 mala on him, you couldn’t see his face. But when I look through the list of people recommended (in Chaguanas West) for housing I didn’t see anybody named Mala, you know”.

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Attack-on-Hindus-in-campaign-216382371.html



Ah boy! When things looking grim.....use the tried and tested methods!



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Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Jah Gol on July 22, 2013, 06:43:11 AM
He really is Panday protege.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: fishs on July 22, 2013, 07:15:22 AM

 Them fellas campaign on a ticket of doing things differently to the PNM.
All kinda accusations about wastage and patronage now he acyually complaining that he only doing the same thing PNM did.

As Black Stalin say "BUN DEM"
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: congo on July 22, 2013, 11:58:19 AM
Ah boiiii....Your Prime Minister is bowing and touching the feet of Sat Maharaj...This woman likes to bow boy. Imagine Sat Maharaj, a known racist and divider of people she doesn't even care about how it looks to the nation.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: weary1969 on July 22, 2013, 12:01:18 PM
Ah boiiii....Your Prime Minister is bowing and touching the feet of Sat Maharaj...This woman likes to bow boy. Imagine Sat Maharaj, a known racist and divider of people she doesn't even care about how it looks to the nation.

Y amd the nation knew all of this and gave them 29 seats
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Bourbon on July 22, 2013, 01:20:24 PM
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/ILP-official-Jack-has-more-love-for-East-Indians-than-Moonilal-216379651.html

INTERIM leader of the Independent Liberal Party (ILP) Jack Warner has “more love for East Indians” than Housing Minister Dr Roodal Moonilal ever will.
So said ILP official Anna Deonarine in response to suggestions by Moonilal that Warner was “disrespecting” East Indians in a song that has gone viral on the Internet.
During a cottage meeting at Munroe Road, Cunupia, in May, Warner was telling a story about how he came to organise a land certificate for one of the area’s residents.
Before Warner took the stage, the resident had publicly thanked him for his assistance.
In explaining the process used to get the land certificate for the resident, Warner said he had to place phone calls to both Moonilal and Commissioner of State Lands Kumar Koonoolal.
“While talking to the audience Mr Warner had a slip of the tongue,” Deonarine said.
“I spoke to Dr Moonilal. I spoke to Koonoolal. Koonoolal, Moonilal, Moonilal, Koonoolal, whatever,” Warner said during that meeting.
This soundbite has been turned into a YouTube video by CyborgPainterz22.
Speaking during the United National Congress (UNC) Monday night forum at Chaguanas Government School last week, Moonilal spoke about the “now infamous song”.
Moonilal said Warner was disrespecting a “beautiful Hindu name”.
But speaking at the ILP meeting at Marchin Recreation Ground in Cunupia on Friday, Deonarine said Moonilal’s statement had been “tormenting” her since it arose.
Deonarine said the UNC was trying to bring the issue of race into the Chaguanas by-election and destroy the “unity and one love that Mr Warner has crafted here for us”.
She said everyone knows Warner has a “little speech impediment” and his slip of the tongue was not meant as any intended disrespect.
“Shame on you, Moonilal, don’t try to divide us and try to score cheap political points by bringing race into the politics,” Deonarine said.
She said it was “distasteful” that anyone would try to divide Chaguanas West along racial lines.
“Mr Warner loves Indian people probably more than you do, Mr Moonilal. He is probably more Indian than you. He has more love for Indians than they (the UNC) will ever have.”
Deonarine said the “sickening part” is that people unfamiliar with the genesis of the song may believe Moonilal’s claims.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Bourbon on July 22, 2013, 01:41:29 PM
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Dont-sell-out-for-box-drains-216382511.html

Don’t sell out for box drains
Moonilal warns worshippers:
By Carla Bridglal carla.bridglal@trinidadexpress.com

Story Created: Jul 21, 2013 at 11:22 PM ECT

Story Updated: Jul 22, 2013 at 10:51 AM ECT
United National Congress (UNC) deputy political leader Dr Roodal Moonilal yesterday warned Sunday morning worshippers at the Devi Temple in Chaguanas against selling out their legacy of UNC representation for a box drain or road that will mash up in five or ten years.
“As happy as you are that you have gotten a road or a drain, and that is only in some places, eh, the drain will mash up. Do you know in five to ten years you will come for a drain again? That box drain go mash up. That road go mash up. It will need fixing again. When you build schools and send your children to school they will become doctors and engineers. They will upgrade not only themselves but their whole communities,” Moonilal told the audience.

He and several of his Cabinet colleagues, including Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar, Attorney General Anand Ramlogan, Transport Minister Chandresh Sharma and Food Production Minister Devant Maharaj, attended Sunday morning service at the temple on the invitation of Maha Sabha secretary general Sat Maharaj.
“When we build schools, the Maha Sabha builds schools, we give children that opportunity. But today, people want to sell out that legacy for a box drain. That will mash up. The road will be damaged but your education will not go,” said Moonilal.
He referred to his former Cabinet colleague, ex-MP for Chaguanas West and now interim political leader of the Independent Liberal Party (ILP) Jack Warner, only as “he”, saying that “he” wanted to throw out the UNC from its safest “homeland seat”.
“The people of Chaguanas West have always voted for everyone we have ever selected. Today he is saying forget that history, forget your values and vote for (him) because I did give yuh a few box drains.”

Moonilal said he had paved several roads in his own constituency of Oropouche East, but that did not give him the deed to that area.
“I am in the Government and the Government has resources and I use the resources to help the people who elected me. That is my duty.”
The problem, though, Moonilal said, was not July 29, the date of the by-election, but after.
“I see what happening here already. When they get some votes on the 29th they will want to intervene in local government elections. If we do not play this right we stand to lose Chaguanas borough for the first time in life; we stand to lose Siparia; we stand to lose Mayaro; Rio Claro; Tunapuna.
“All of those they will intervene and seek to defeat us and when they do that, in the general elections they will seek to defeat us in the marginal seats. You know in 2001 we lost the whole government by 195 votes.”

He continued: “I am convinced the UNC and Khadijah Ameen will win the election, but we must not win by a narrow margin. We have to win by an overwhelming victory—a landslide. We must win by a landslide.”
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Jah Gol on July 22, 2013, 02:39:53 PM
D Calcutta ship man ... what he name again ?
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: doc on July 22, 2013, 03:39:08 PM
D Calcutta ship man ... what he name again ?
Hilton Sandy
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Bourbon on July 22, 2013, 05:20:23 PM
This different to Sandy. It eh stoking race.





It appealing to ethnicity.  ::) So I guess that ok.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Bourbon on July 24, 2013, 08:32:00 PM
Caption this:

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For me...it could be the start of a video to this:
http://www.youtube.com/v/yw-em78BCRw
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: AB.Trini on July 24, 2013, 08:53:41 PM
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Dont-sell-out-for-box-drains-216382511.html

Don’t sell out for box drains
Moonilal warns worshippers:
By Carla Bridglal carla.bridglal@trinidadexpress.com

Story Created: Jul 21, 2013 at 11:22 PM ECT

Story Updated: Jul 22, 2013 at 10:51 AM ECT
United National Congress (UNC) deputy political leader Dr Roodal Moonilal yesterday warned Sunday morning worshippers at the Devi Temple in Chaguanas against selling out their legacy of UNC representation for a box drain or road that will mash up in five or ten years.
“As happy as you are that you have gotten a road or a drain, and that is only in some places, eh, the drain will mash up. Do you know in five to ten years you will come for a drain again? That box drain go mash up. That road go mash up. It will need fixing again. When you build schools and send your children to school they will become doctors and engineers. They will upgrade not only themselves but their whole communities,” Moonilal told the audience.

He and several of his Cabinet colleagues, including Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar, Attorney General Anand Ramlogan, Transport Minister Chandresh Sharma and Food Production Minister Devant Maharaj, attended Sunday morning service at the temple on the invitation of Maha Sabha secretary general Sat Maharaj.
“When we build schools, the Maha Sabha builds schools, we give children that opportunity. But today, people want to sell out that legacy for a box drain. That will mash up. The road will be damaged but your education will not go,” said Moonilal.
He referred to his former Cabinet colleague, ex-MP for Chaguanas West and now interim political leader of the Independent Liberal Party (ILP) Jack Warner, only as “he”, saying that “he” wanted to throw out the UNC from its safest “homeland seat”.
“The people of Chaguanas West have always voted for everyone we have ever selected. Today he is saying forget that history, forget your values and vote for (him) because I did give yuh a few box drains.”

Moonilal said he had paved several roads in his own constituency of Oropouche East, but that did not give him the deed to that area.
“I am in the Government and the Government has resources and I use the resources to help the people who elected me. That is my duty.”
The problem, though, Moonilal said, was not July 29, the date of the by-election, but after.
“I see what happening here already. When they get some votes on the 29th they will want to intervene in local government elections. If we do not play this right we stand to lose Chaguanas borough for the first time in life; we stand to lose Siparia; we stand to lose Mayaro; Rio Claro; Tunapuna.
“All of those they will intervene and seek to defeat us and when they do that, in the general elections they will seek to defeat us in the marginal seats. You know in 2001 we lost the whole government by 195 votes.”

He continued: “I am convinced the UNC and Khadijah Ameen will win the election, but we must not win by a narrow margin. We have to win by an overwhelming victory—a landslide. We must win by a landslide.”

Fear mongering at one of its best. Why tehy eh hire Cro Cro to sing a rendition of this song  at the Renzie Compex: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-roUT3G5Bq0
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Tallman on July 25, 2013, 09:08:19 AM
Alderman from Chagunas Borough Corporation, Ramesh Ramdhan, described Warner as a mixture of Mahatma Ghandi, Nelson Mandela and Martin Luther King.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Volney-causes-stir-at-ILP-meeting--216687511.html
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: lefty on July 25, 2013, 09:16:32 AM
Ramesh Ramdhan, described Warner as a mixture of Mahatma Ghandi, Nelson Mandela and Martin Luther King.


what dem tief .....how much dey tief..........and how much dey does keep from what dey tief again ??? ??? ...I forget
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Dutty on July 25, 2013, 09:28:27 AM
Ramesh Ramdhan, described Warner as a mixture of Mahatma Ghandi, Nelson Mandela and Martin Luther King.


what dem tief .....how much dey tief..........and how much dey does keep from what dey tief again ??? ??? ...I forget

well,He bald like Ghandi, retire from politics like Mandela and FBI investigatin him like King......maybe dais what he did mean.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: lefty on July 25, 2013, 10:25:31 AM
Ramesh Ramdhan, described Warner as a mixture of Mahatma Ghandi, Nelson Mandela and Martin Luther King.


what dem tief .....how much dey tief..........and how much dey does keep from what dey tief again ??? ??? ...I forget

well,He bald like Ghandi, retire from politics like Mandela and FBI investigatin him like King......maybe dais what he did mean.

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: but Jack eh retire, dey tryin to retire him doh
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: fishs on July 25, 2013, 11:01:33 AM
Ramesh Ramdhan, described Warner as a mixture of Mahatma Ghandi, Nelson Mandela and Martin Luther King.


what dem tief .....how much dey tief..........and how much dey does keep from what dey tief again ??? ??? ...I forget

Ey Tallman isnt this our only referee to officiate in a world cup finals as a lineman ?
He owe Jack big time
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Tallman on July 25, 2013, 11:22:06 AM
Ramesh Ramdhan, described Warner as a mixture of Mahatma Ghandi, Nelson Mandela and Martin Luther King.


what dem tief .....how much dey tief..........and how much dey does keep from what dey tief again ??? ??? ...I forget

Ey Tallman isnt this our only referee to officiate in a world cup finals as a lineman ?
He owe Jack big time

For the 1998 World Cup he refereed the Japan vs Croatia match and was the 4th official in the Netherlands vs Belgium and Tunisia vs Romania matches. He also was the referee for the 1998 Gold Cup final between USA and Mexico.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Bourbon on July 25, 2013, 07:31:35 PM
DHW....record dem ads running on local TV nah? Please and thanks.

Anyhow...

http://www.youtube.com/v/UyrBZ-id3f8
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Bourbon on July 25, 2013, 07:36:29 PM
And...

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BREAKING NEWS!!!!! On the eve of Jack Warner's final mass meeting at Green Park, Felicity WASA has dug a trench around all through the roads around the venue making it inaccessible. If this is not vindictiveness.. What is!?????!!!!! THIS CANNOT CONTINUE!!!!!!!

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Define "inaccessible"
Title: Re: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: D.H.W on July 25, 2013, 07:40:04 PM
DHW....record dem ads running on local TV nah? Please and thanks.

Anyhow...

http://www.youtube.com/v/UyrBZ-id3f8

The one with Jennings? Ill do it tomorrow
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Bourbon on July 25, 2013, 07:43:37 PM
DHW....record dem ads running on local TV nah? Please and thanks.

Anyhow...

http://www.youtube.com/v/UyrBZ-id3f8

The one with Jennings? Ill do it tomorrow


ALL!!!

So yuh getting the context of the desperation!


Jack having a protest in Felicity now for the WASA work.


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Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: dinho on July 26, 2013, 06:56:55 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/t3OXS8WYT04

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Bourbon on July 26, 2013, 12:46:27 PM
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/PRAYERS--VS-PARTY-217040541.html

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PRAYERS VS PARTY
UNC brings in Bollywood’s Kumar Sanu while Jack opts for Ramayan yagna for by-election finale

By Anna Ramdass anna.ramdass@trinidadexpress.com
Story Created: Jul 25, 2013 at 9:59 PM ECT
Story Updated: Jul 26, 2013 at 10:53 AM ECT
There will be partying and prayers in Felicity tomorrow with the United National Congress (UNC)  bringing in Indian playback singer Kumar Sanu to serenade voters whilst the Independent Liberal Party (ILP) will hold a Ramayan Yagna.
There is a total of 27,051 voters in the Chaguanas West by-election, 6,000 of whom are from Felicity.
Both parties have stepped up campaigning in the area for the past week in a bid to secure to victory in the election.
A poll commissioned by the Express and done by Solution by Simulation led by pollster Nigel Henry  has put ILP interim leader Jack Warner in front.
Losing the constituency, regarded as a “UNC safe seat”, will be a major blow for the UNC Government if Warner creates history and wins it as an independent candidate.
Tomorrow, at the Pierre Road recreation grounds in Charlieville, the UNC will hold a mass public meeting at 3 p.m. with Sanu as its star performer.
ILP interim political leader Warner will host a Ramayan Yagna at the Shri Kristen Mandir in Lyle Lane Street, Felicity, from 7 p.m. The Express was told that Sanu’s usual performance fee was approximately US$25,000 plus first class travel and hotel accommodation.
Sanu arrived yesterday evening and will depart on Sunday.

A release from the UNC’s Chaguanas West campaign office stated that in addition to Sanu,  a number of top local artistes will perform.
A battery of speakers will also be on stage with the feature address by Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar. Voters will also hear from UNC candidate Khadijah Ameen.
Sanu is no stranger to Trinidad as he performed at several concerts here over the years.
However, this is the first time that he will be gracing this country’s shores to mount a political platform and belt out his hits.
The award-winning singer is billed to perform for one hour after the speeches and will be accompanied by his leading musician Somen Sankar with the support of a local band.
Housing Minister Dr Roodal Moonilal who arranged Sanu’s visit said yesterday that a massive turnout is anticipated.
“We were very pleased that despite a very hectic schedule of recording and personal engagements, Kumar Sanu was able to fit us in,” he stated.
“We are expecting a massive crowd on Saturday to what will be a fitting closing event to our very successful campaign in which we expect to have the UNC retain the seat for Chaguanas West. Kumar Sanu’s appearance will be the crescendo to a fabulous event,” added Moonilal.
Earlier this year Sanu was in Trinidad and performed at the Chutney Brass Festival at Guaracara Park, Pointe-a-Pierre.
Promoter Randy Glasgow told the Express yesterday by phone that Sanu contacted him and told him he will be coming to Trinidad.
Questioned on Sanu’s fees, Glasgow said that not all performers, no matter how big they are, charge a fee.
“If somebody is your friend regardless of how big they are, it is not always about money,” he said, adding that once good treatment is given artistes tend to come with no cost. Asked about Sanu’s decision to perform for the first time on a political platform in this country, Glasgow said, “In the United States he would support Senators who were going up for election with East Indian roots, this is not something new to him.”

Chief executive officer of Caribbean Lifestyle Communications Ltd, Tony Maharaj,  who recently flew in Indian superstars Udit Narayan and Alka Yagnik to perform in Trinidad said political parties were free to bring in artistes to boost their campaigns.
“Political parties are free to campaign in any way and if they think that is going to enhance their campaign, that is something that is entirely their decision,” he said.
“My personal view, I don’t think an artiste coming to perform will help a voter in any way to make a decision as to which way he or she would vote,” he added.

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Sanu-Moonilal-a-good-man-217040391.html

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Sanu: Moonilal a good man
By Anna Ramdass
Story Created: Jul 25, 2013 at 9:56 PM ECT
Story Updated: Jul 26, 2013 at 10:53 AM ECT
Indian superstar Kumar Sanu said last night that people should vote for the United National Congress (UNC) because its deputy leader Dr Roodal Moonilal is a “good man”.
Sanu arrived at Piarco International Airport around 7 p.m and spoke to the Express briefly just before leaving for his hotel.
“I know Dr Moonilal very well and I came for him and it’s just a friendly trip and I’m performing first time for any political party,” he said.
Sanu explained this is his first performance on a political stage outside of India.
Questioned on what drove him to do this, Sanu responded, “It’s a good thing because he’s a good man and I think people should vote him (Moonilal)”.
Told that Moonilal is not contesting the Chaguanas West by-election, Sanu said, “I mean his party should get the vote, that is the main thing.”

Sanu has been to this country on several occasions to perform.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Bourbon on July 26, 2013, 12:49:12 PM
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Ill-returndouble--or-nothing-217040111.html

Daryan Warner, son of former government minister Jack Warner, has said he is willing to utilise the gift of a first class airline ticket to Trinidad if he receives a cheque for double his 2011 earnings which amounts to close to $6 million.
A group called “Friends of Jack Warner” booked the airline ticket for Warner to return to Trinidad to lend support to his father, interim political leader of the Independent Liberal Party (ILP) in the Chaguanas West by-election on July 29.
The Express yesterday obtained a copy of the electronic ticket which was booked with Caribbean Airlines for D Warner to travel from Miami International airport to Trinidad on July 27 on BW Flight Number 0483. A return flight was also booked for him to depart Trinidad on August 2 aboard BW Flight Number 0484 destined for Miami.
A representative of the group, who preferred not to be named, told the Express the group believes the accusation against Warner’s son that he was unable to travel because of issues with the United States authorities was unfounded. As such, the group purchased the business class ticket for D Warner to return to support his father before the July 29 Chaguanas West by-election and to participate in the ILP-anticipated victory.
The spokesperson said all D Warner needs to do is simply go to the ticket desk at the Miami International Airport and present his passport to obtain his boarding pass.
D Warner has responded to the group’s invitation via e-mail, stating, “While I don’t sell T-shirts and political memorabilia if I can benefit from your generosity in the last five days of the silly season then I should.
“I have never been able to make money under any PNM administration. The only political party that I have openly supported, because of my surname and any chance of an opportunity under the People’s Partnership Government would have been frowned upon for the exact same reason. I have sent a copy of my 2011 tax return for what has to be one of my worse financial year ends.”
According to D Warner’s attached Trinidad and Tobago income tax return document, his income for 2011 was some $2,828,338.
He stated, “Please use the same generosity to leave a check (cheque) for double my 2011 earnings and I would abandon my plans in the US and comply with your directive at the check-in counter at Miami International Airport. You can always donate the first class ticket to a more needy recipient.”
The Friends of Jack Warner group immediately expressed its profound disappointment.
“We, the Friends, had strongly felt that the appearance of the younger Warner on his father’s platform would have bolstered the Independent Liberal Party’s chance of securing a landside victory at the polls on Monday 29th July.
“While thousands of constituents of Chaguanas West are being asked to support the Independent Liberal Party’s candidate it will be seen by this response that Mr Warner’s own son refuses to support his father. We are now forced to question our support given the fact that refusal to come to Trinidad supports our critics’ claim that Mr Daryan Warner cannot leave the USA due the some official intervention of the authorities. 
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: D.H.W on July 26, 2013, 05:47:31 PM
No jennings tonight but they had a new jokey commercial tonight
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: D.H.W on July 26, 2013, 06:15:49 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/TAiQk5jZ4b0

http://www.youtube.com/v/XbtZ_YXTIcc

http://www.youtube.com/v/JqdJMOJ8DBE

http://www.youtube.com/v/UluyRiPT4Tg

http://www.youtube.com/v/_CF5GxNdrH8
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: weary1969 on July 26, 2013, 08:40:41 PM
D green circus just got another act Robin Montano is d interim Chairman.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Brownsugar on July 26, 2013, 09:02:33 PM
The one with the insignificant Muslim coolie is the best one......talk about something coming back to bite yuh in de arse.....
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: weary1969 on July 26, 2013, 10:18:54 PM
The one with the insignificant Muslim coolie is the best one......talk about something coming back to bite yuh in de arse.....

Nah I like the fact that they borrow d ad wit Jennings from d PNM because they use that against Jack now they using it. You have to  :rotfl:
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: fishs on July 27, 2013, 01:36:57 AM

 Allyuh not excited ??

 This likkle elections could change the face of TT politics as we know it.

 We could become well known worldwide for calypso, soca, shark n Bake an having  a pre-requisite that politicians must be the most corrupt people on de planet to run here
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Brownsugar on July 27, 2013, 07:32:28 AM
The one with the insignificant Muslim coolie is the best one......talk about something coming back to bite yuh in de arse.....

Nah I like the fact that they borrow d ad wit Jennings from d PNM because they use that against Jack now they using it. You have to  :rotfl:

Yuh understand??!!!  Is thing to make mih pelt mih TV outside!!!  Dey NOW know he is a repulsive, nasty, stinking, dutty old dog and unfit for office.....NOW they tell we.....

Dais why I rank Jamal own over this....their own words haunting them now......
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: D.H.W on July 28, 2013, 07:46:46 AM
When Kamla and the UNC refused to probe Jack Warner after Haiti aid scandal

http://www.wired868.com/2012/02/18/pm-unc-refuse-to-probe-warner/
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: fishs on July 29, 2013, 03:59:59 AM

 Ah see some mod change mih poll (thanks)

 The sad thing about this particular election is that the PNM fella is probably the least tainted and will lose he deposit .

 If Jack win this he aint going to stop there, he will make a serious run for the Hyatt House.

If he lose, he must have some sort of strategy for dat, maybe he will release files and bring down the PP forcing an early general elections, then is more baccahnal
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: D.H.W on July 29, 2013, 04:03:44 AM
The government had the chance to bring him down and they didn't. Let them suffer the consequences.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Bourbon on July 29, 2013, 06:14:42 AM

 Ah see some mod change mih poll (thanks)

 The sad thing about this particular election is that the PNM fella is probably the least tainted and will lose he deposit .

 If Jack win this he aint going to stop there, he will make a serious run for the Hyatt House.

If he lose, he must have some sort of strategy for dat, maybe he will release files and bring down the PP forcing an early general elections, then is more baccahnal


Endorsed.

I was reading an article yesterday where they approached some voters and got their opinion. The general trend was.."Singh is a good boy...buh I eh go vote for him."
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Deeks on July 29, 2013, 08:04:45 AM
The PNM fella eh stand a chance now. So what. He getting a baptism of fire. He young and maybe one of the future leaders of PNM, and who knows, TT.  But the funny thing is, everybody and they nenen complaining about the politicians. How they this and how they that. Guess what? PNM send a nice choirboy with good credentials for them. Nah! he too nice.  So guess what? they voting for the corrupt politicians. So what is their complain then.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Brownsugar on July 29, 2013, 05:36:15 PM
Got my bowl of popcorn.....leh we go!!!.....
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Brownsugar on July 29, 2013, 05:39:37 PM
First set of results from some polling division.....

3 votes for PNM

48 for UNC

187 for Jack.....

Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: congo on July 29, 2013, 06:03:48 PM
The cleanest candidate who ran a clean and honest campaign may lose his deposit. This country is weird. I am sorry but this country has always gotten what it deserves.

Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: D.H.W on July 29, 2013, 06:09:27 PM
Time to bump off Jack. Kamla go make it look like a accident
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: weary1969 on July 29, 2013, 06:10:50 PM
The cleanest candidate who ran a clean and honest campaign may lose his deposit. This country is weird. I am sorry but this country has always gotten what it deserves.



CO-SIGNNNNNNNNNNNN
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Brownsugar on July 29, 2013, 06:17:59 PM
Jack leading by 1,000 votes in the polling stations counted so far......4 out of 51.....
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: D.H.W on July 29, 2013, 06:23:39 PM
What ever them Chaguanas people get they look for it. This is a reflection of society.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: weary1969 on July 29, 2013, 06:40:01 PM
What ever them Chaguanas people get they look for it. This is a reflection of society.

We society put these crooks in power so let the chips fall where they may.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: congo on July 29, 2013, 06:43:12 PM
Apart from the PNM candidate, the people got stuck between a rock and a hard place. Jack is a smaller crook than Kamla. The amount of corruption taking place in this country, it'll make Jack look like a baby. A UNC supporter tell me yesterday that win, lose or draw they don't care, they have enough to take care of generations to come based on contracts gained in the last 2 years.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: D.H.W on July 29, 2013, 07:11:49 PM
wth i had a video on jack warner haiti aid scandal a news report i had for almost a year, today it get pull from Youtube saying Criminal Minds file a copyright complaint? wth  ?

February 13, 2012? how is a news report against copyright ?


This woman name under the complaint a lawyer huh?
http://www.trinidadlaw.com/home/general/subcategory.aspx?CategoryID=22&SubCategoryID=80

Claimant Criminal Minds
Representative Tiffanny Castillo
Claimant Email tiffanny012@gmail.com
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Bitter on July 29, 2013, 07:29:05 PM
I am speechless.
WTF?
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: congo on July 29, 2013, 07:32:07 PM
People not voting for Jack...People didn't vote against Top in Tobago. They voting against Kamla...Kamla isn't liked. The woman doesn't really understand just how low her stock has fallen. People are disgusted with her and her cabinet. Showgirl's head is still in the clouds. Oh and a next thing Moonilal.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: weary1969 on July 29, 2013, 07:45:16 PM
People not voting for Jack...People didn't vote against Top in Tobago. They voting against Kamla...Kamla isn't liked. The woman doesn't really understand just how low her stock has fallen. People are disgusted with her and her cabinet. Showgirl's head are still in the clouds. Oh and a next thing Moonilal.

YEP if I was livin in Chag West I would take meh gravol and vote 4 him because it would insure this Pathetic Posse go there way in 2013. Is a vote against Kamla and she CABAL.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Brownsugar on July 29, 2013, 07:45:47 PM
I'm going to be sick...... :puking: :puking:
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Brownsugar on July 29, 2013, 07:46:54 PM
People not voting for Jack...People didn't vote against Top in Tobago. They voting against Kamla...Kamla isn't liked. The woman doesn't really understand just how low her stock has fallen. People are disgusted with her and her cabinet. Showgirl's head are still in the clouds. Oh and a next thing Moonilal.

YEP if I was livin in Chag West I would take meh gravol and vote 4 him because it would insure this Pathetic Posse go there way in 2013. Is a vote against Kamla and she CABAL.

Weary, dais you??!!    :o :o   Mods, Weary profile get hacked!!!
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: fishs on July 29, 2013, 07:59:44 PM

  JACK IS DE MAN

   Jack wins

 lock up de treasury, call in de FBI, call Kelvin Jack, call de ugly police, do some thing somebody
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: weary1969 on July 29, 2013, 08:03:31 PM
People not voting for Jack...People didn't vote against Top in Tobago. They voting against Kamla...Kamla isn't liked. The woman doesn't really understand just how low her stock has fallen. People are disgusted with her and her cabinet. Showgirl's head are still in the clouds. Oh and a next thing Moonilal.

YEP if I was livin in Chag West I would take meh gravol and vote 4 him because it would insure this Pathetic Posse go there way in 2013. Is a vote against Kamla and she CABAL.

Weary, dais you??!!    :o :o   Mods, Weary profile get hacked!!!

Yes is me yuh got 2 see d forest and d trees. D forest is 2 get this circus 2 roll up d tent put the animals back in the cage and moved out of town. Is plenty gravol but I would have not OD.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Brownsugar on July 29, 2013, 08:21:37 PM

  JACK IS DE MAN

   Jack wins

 lock up de treasury, call in de FBI, call Kelvin Jack, call de ugly police, do some thing somebody

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Brownsugar on July 29, 2013, 08:22:46 PM
Hear nah....dat firetrucking man like a annoying nightmare that wont go away.....aaaarrrggggghhhhh!!!!!


 :frustrated: :frustrated: :banginghead: :banginghead: :cursing: :puking: :puking: :puking: :busshead: :busshead: :puking: :puking:  :frustrated: :frustrated: :cursing: :cursing: :cursing: :banginghead: :banginghead: :banginghead:
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: weary1969 on July 29, 2013, 08:29:20 PM

  JACK IS DE MAN

   Jack wins

 lock up de treasury, call in de FBI, call Kelvin Jack, call de ugly police, do some thing somebody

Why all of a sudden the sky is falling is since 2007 d fella is an MP.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: grimm01 on July 29, 2013, 08:36:40 PM
All now so the nation's tanty and she cabal must be run thru every bottle at Reinzi Complex. By now they have to be killing the bottle of rubbing alcohol in the first aid kit. Ah doubt it have enough distilled spirits in T&T to numb this kinda pain and embarrassment.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: congo on July 29, 2013, 08:40:47 PM
Sad to say but Jack is the only man that could save this country from this government...Oh what a tangle web we weave when we conspire to deceive. Look how overnight Jack become a beacon of hope. How the heck we reach here...Get your voting fingers ready people..It's closer than we think.

Did you all hear her speech? She's hinting at letting Jack back into the partnership. Their integrity  lower than a razorblade on the floor.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: D.H.W on July 29, 2013, 08:59:12 PM
PNM will win if election call. Jack go mash them up
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: grimm01 on July 29, 2013, 09:03:02 PM
Sad to say but Jack is the only man that could save this country from this government...Oh what a tangle web we weave when we conspire to deceive. Look how overnight Jack become a beacon of hope. How the heck we reach here...Get your voting fingers ready people..It's closer than we think.

Did you all hear her speech? She's hinting at letting Jack back into the partnership. Their integrity  lower than a razorblade on the floor.

I wouldn't be surprised if they take him back in. At this point Jack just prove to them that he is de real boss, so he could demand to be back in the PP and ask for anything else and they can't say no. Jack know that at the end of the day, for this crew it's all about "eat ah food" and they will sacrifice any integrity or self respect to keep the good times rolling. So expect a doubling down on the thievery with Jack taking a level of control over these clowns that tanty never exercise. Jack will be like Tony Soprano where no bobol takes place without his sanction and without him getting a cut. If he have files on them now, imagine his leverage when they have to run every bobol by him for approval. Somebody might run him over with an expensive SUV.

Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: congo on July 29, 2013, 09:04:11 PM
PNM will win if election call. Jack go mash them up

I really not too sure nah...Rowley vs jack in full on fight and Jack will come out on top. PNM don't even have any safe seats.  Right now jack is easily the next prime minister.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: royal on July 29, 2013, 09:14:28 PM
de thread is will Jack create history? it should have been will money create history? and de answer is yes. TT politics took a different turn tonight. Money trump all..... ideas,morality,honesty, even de usual race and religion took a back seat to money today.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: congo on July 29, 2013, 09:28:49 PM
Ammmm what were the choices? Between Jack Warner and the Unc it became a fight between the Devil and its child.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Bakes on July 29, 2013, 10:06:26 PM
de thread is will Jack create history? it should have been will money create history? and de answer is yes. TT politics took a different turn tonight. Money trump all..... ideas,morality,honesty, even de usual race and religion took a back seat to money today.

Welcome to 2013 Rip Van Winkle... this actually took place in May, 2010, but your confusion is understandable.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: fishs on July 29, 2013, 10:07:31 PM

  JACK IS DE MAN

   Jack wins

 lock up de treasury, call in de FBI, call Kelvin Jack, call de ugly police, do some thing somebody

Why all of a sudden the sky is falling is since 2007 d fella is an MP.

You cant see the trees for the forest or what?
What stopping Jack from making a succesful run to the Hyatt House, surely not your beloved PNM and that band of misfits
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: weary1969 on July 29, 2013, 10:18:30 PM

  JACK IS DE MAN

   Jack wins

 lock up de treasury, call in de FBI, call Kelvin Jack, call de ugly police, do some thing somebody

Why all of a sudden the sky is falling is since 2007 d fella is an MP.

You cant see the trees for the forest or what?
What stopping Jack from making a succesful run to the Hyatt House, surely not your beloved PNM and that band of misfits

Yea my beloved PNM because most persons have realized that compared 2 yuh PP friends and Jack the PNM looking like d best govt the world have ever seen. All d talk bout Calder Hart when last u hear his name and the Project Manager nobody eh even get charge plus they exchange a 2 million flag for a 6.8 million fire truck. Jack will split the votes which will be great for my beloved PNM. We will take the misfits over this circus any day. The time has come 2 roll up the tent, put away the animals and let the circus move out of town.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Football supporter on July 29, 2013, 10:22:16 PM
Volney will join ILP. Anil and some mates will cross the floor. Rowley will call a vote of no confidence. Election called for October. PNM back in the hot seat by November after a deal with COP.

Yuh read it here first.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: congo on July 29, 2013, 10:26:41 PM
It have no deal with COP...COP dead and each and everyday Prakash trying to find a way to reabsorb Cop back into Unc. Seeing that Jack was Cop's biggest issue whilst in the PP, now that he gone, COP will try  and seek comfort by folding back into the UNC. But all in all, COP is a non entity. Jack green going and grow. He's the next prime minister as long as he keep his head above water. Rowley can't fight Jack. At most votes will split but Jack going an either be leader of oppostion or prime minister in the near future. The political class has successfully managed to create an electorate dependent on gifts and Jack loves to give gifts and trinkets. It's a match made in heaven.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: weary1969 on July 29, 2013, 10:28:40 PM
Volney will join ILP. Anil and some mates will cross the floor. Rowley will call a vote of no confidence. Election called for October. PNM back in the hot seat by November after a deal with COP.

Yuh read it here first.

Yuh was goin good till u say bout alliance wit COP. COP have nutten 2bring 2 d table. U ting they winnin any seat on d East West Corridor? Parliament done close so she just go by Prez Carmona and say General Election.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: weary1969 on July 29, 2013, 10:29:47 PM
It have no deal with COP...COP dead and each and everyday Prakash trying to find a way to reabsorb Cop back into Unc. Seeing that Jack was Cop's biggest issue whilst in the PP, now that he gone, COP will try  and seek comfort by folding back into the UNC. But all in all, COP is a non entity. Jack green going and grow. He's the next prime minister as long as he keep his head above water. Rowley can't fight Jack. At most votes will split but Jack going an either be leader of oppostion or prime minister in the near future. The political class has successfully managed to create an electorate dependent on gifts and Jack loves to give gifts and trinkets. It's a match made in heaven.

Leader of the opposition is a gr8 position 4 him.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: congo on July 29, 2013, 10:30:07 PM
The problem with Trinidad politics is that everyone has skeletons and secrets. That's why nobody wanted to run against Jack. Too many people have too much to hide. What more needs to be said about Jack to convince people that he is corrupt etc? You can't fight Jack. Jack will bring you done into the gutter. Jack's been playing chess with these people and they don't even see it. In one night, they are on the brink of collapse and he hasn't even trained his guns on the rest of them as yet.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: fishs on July 29, 2013, 10:30:54 PM
 I'll bet yuh that come the next elections Jack and his merry ban of maruaders will make mince meat of UNC pirates and PNM misfits.

Unsurprisingly this is the result of years of BS politics in Trinidad by both your beloved PNM and the UNC scamps.

Playing to peoples basest instincts promising all kinds goodies and no substance the worst being PNM who ruled for the longest.

Now we reap the whirlwind with Jack. He has identified that the tribes are ready for the next level of debauchery, thiefery, scampishness and evil.
For years PNM and UNC protecting criminals, druglords and corrupt monsters.
Now the people decide that they will have their own in Jack Warner.

Mark my words, seroius inroads will be made by the ILP in the next local elections.

Then the stage will be set.

The General elections will come soon after and if the PNM WIN 2 seats they lucky UNC none.
With that power Jack going to pass a law that gives him immunity and the US could go to hell.

Trinidad will end up like Chavez Venezuela or even worse Mugabe's Zimbabwe.

It will be UNCLE Jack in de ghetto and rice fields, and pardner Jack in the mansions of the west and central.

Put that in yuh pipe and smoke it
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: congo on July 29, 2013, 10:34:26 PM
I would love to see him take on the east west corridor. I think the Pnm has been stuttering by. All these parties need a rude awakening to shake them up. If Jack put a decent side together he could win easily. The only place I could see him getting difficulty is Tobago. Gosh I love those people. They hold firm to their principles, they don't budge. Tobago should just break away and chart their own destiny. I get the feeling that Trinidad is keeping Tobago from fulfilling its own potential. We keeping them back.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: weary1969 on July 29, 2013, 10:35:06 PM
The problem with Trinidad politics is that everyone has skeletons and secrets. That's why nobody wanted to run against Jack. Too many people have too much to hide. What more needs to be said about Jack to convince people that he is corrupt etc? You can't fight Jack. Jack will bring you done into the gutter. Jack's been playing chess with these people and they don't even see it. In one night, they are on the brink of collapse and he hasn't even trained his guns on the rest of them as yet.

His eye was always on bein PM but wit the Westminister system he will not be able to get 21seats. Let him give d cabal some trouble.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: congo on July 29, 2013, 10:36:59 PM
The political class reaping what they sow. When alluh feel Jack was up in his office at 3 am taking meetings, it wasn't no joke. The man put in the work and the people reward that. The AG's vehicle run over a man's foot today. His response was classless and unbecoming of a human being. The dance now start and the next few weeks should be highly entertaining.

Jack say he want to take on Rambachan. I can't wait. Moonilal, Coonilal look sick. I worried about the Queen. I get the feeling that Jack used to shield her from that cabal. All them men go eat her raw now. Dancer girl go look for any excuse to leave the country now. Watch and see.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: weary1969 on July 29, 2013, 10:37:40 PM
I would love to see him take on the east west corridor. I think the Pnm has been stuttering by. All these parties need a rude awakening to shake them up. If Jack put a decent side together he could win easily. The only place I could see him getting difficulty is Tobago. Gosh I love those people. They hold firm to their principles, they don't budge. Tobago should just break away and chart their own destiny. I get the feeling that Trinidad is keeping Tobago from fulfilling its own potential. We keeping them back.

You will luv 2 c him take d corridor good 4 u.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: weary1969 on July 29, 2013, 10:38:48 PM
The political class reaping what they sow. When alluh feel Jack was up in his office at 3 am taking meetings, it wasn't no joke. The man put in the work and the people reward that. The AG's vehicle run over a man's foot today. His response was classless and unbecoming of a human being. The dance now start and the next few weeks should be highly entertaining.

Well lets c him have 3am meetings in 41 constituencies.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: congo on July 29, 2013, 10:41:42 PM
The man is a lagahoo...Ur aint hear what your prime minister call him. Classless woman.

Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: congo on July 29, 2013, 10:43:09 PM
I would love to see him take on the east west corridor. I think the Pnm has been stuttering by. All these parties need a rude awakening to shake them up. If Jack put a decent side together he could win easily. The only place I could see him getting difficulty is Tobago. Gosh I love those people. They hold firm to their principles, they don't budge. Tobago should just break away and chart their own destiny. I get the feeling that Trinidad is keeping Tobago from fulfilling its own potential. We keeping them back.

You will luv 2 c him take d corridor good 4 u.

And COP took it with less. That green party wouldn't need much to move into Pnm constituencies. Even Laventille swinging. PPL FED UP
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: congo on July 29, 2013, 10:46:23 PM
PPl just don't know how vindictive and petty Jack could be. If they felt that Patos was a dictator then they in for a shock. They does get bummy when Lee Sing tell them to lower their speakers. Jack as a PM go turn the game upside down.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: weary1969 on July 29, 2013, 10:47:31 PM
The man is a lagahoo...Ur aint hear what your prime minister call him. Classless woman.



 :rotfl:
I would love to see him take on the east west corridor. I think the Pnm has been stuttering by. All these parties need a rude awakening to shake them up. If Jack put a decent side together he could win easily. The only place I could see him getting difficulty is Tobago. Gosh I love those people. They hold firm to their principles, they don't budge. Tobago should just break away and chart their own destiny. I get the feeling that Trinidad is keeping Tobago from fulfilling its own potential. We keeping them back.

You will luv 2 c him take d corridor good 4 u.

And COP took it with less. That green party wouldn't need much to move into Pnm constituencies. Even Laventille swinging. PPL FED UP

It was a vote against Patrick.  All yuh eh have a clue how much people who loose their job/contract because of these peeps, Jack was part of that.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: congo on July 29, 2013, 10:48:22 PM
^^^ It was the cabal...You aint realise the man already done start to separate the two. Where Soldier Sandy and his manic man, mimic mind speech? Big hardback battle worn Brigadier like he have Anand and them giving him paper to read in parliament. What a joker.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: fishs on July 29, 2013, 10:49:32 PM
I would love to see him take on the east west corridor. I think the Pnm has been stuttering by. All these parties need a rude awakening to shake them up. If Jack put a decent side together he could win easily. The only place I could see him getting difficulty is Tobago. Gosh I love those people. They hold firm to their principles, they don't budge. Tobago should just break away and chart their own destiny. I get the feeling that Trinidad is keeping Tobago from fulfilling its own potential. We keeping them back.

 Doh worry brother Tobago going to fall too.

Allyuh doh realise it will open season on the treasury if Jack gets the power and for years the ordinary man has been disenfranchised by the PNM and UNC thiefs.
Now Jack will let the money flow, 1 dollar for them 1million for me.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: congo on July 29, 2013, 10:52:18 PM
 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Tobago not falling. The thing is the amount of people that suffering in this place, they could live with a politician stealing but giving a bit to the people. This bunch wanna keep all to themselves and flaunt it. Take Moonilal and the range rover for instance. Jack sharing the loot.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: weary1969 on July 29, 2013, 10:59:24 PM
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Tobago not falling. The thing is the amount of people that suffering in this place, they could live with a politician stealing but giving a bit to the people. This bunch wanna keep all to themselves and flaunt it in their faces. Take Moonilal and the range rover for instance. Jack sharing the loot.

What wheel chair/crutches. The middle class will need a little more. U cyah go Diego Martin Central wit that he has 2 go wit contracts
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: congo on July 29, 2013, 11:00:11 PM
Trinidad is a bandwaggonist country. They always follow what's popular.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: weary1969 on July 29, 2013, 11:00:57 PM
^^^ It was the cabal...You aint realise the man already done start to separate the two. Where Soldier Sandy and his manic man, mimic mind speech? Big hardback battle worn Brigadier like he have Anand and them giving him paper to read in parliament. What a joker.

In Jack camp via skype is he who brought him in the PP.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: congo on July 29, 2013, 11:04:46 PM
Alluh fraid Jack but how soon until Ian Alleyne go up for elections? The bar lowwwwwwwwww
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: weary1969 on July 29, 2013, 11:08:06 PM
Alluh fraid Jack but how soon until Ian Alleyne go up for elections? The bar lowwwwwwwwww

PNM did reject him b4 he became a starboy on tv.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: congo on July 30, 2013, 04:25:21 AM
Newly appointed Chairman of the Independent Liberal Party Robin Montano says that they don't want anybody joining the ILP who is just hopping on a bandwagon.

This is Robin Montano to date has been an active member of 4 political parties.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: weary1969 on July 30, 2013, 05:17:49 AM
Newly appointed Chairman of the Independent Liberal Party Robin Montano says that they don't want anybody joining the ILP who is just hopping on a bandwagon.

This is Robin Montano to date has been an active member of 4 political parties.

Do as I say but not as I do
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Brownsugar on July 30, 2013, 06:25:16 AM
I would love to see him take on the east west corridor. I think the Pnm has been stuttering by. All these parties need a rude awakening to shake them up. If Jack put a decent side together he could win easily. The only place I could see him getting difficulty is Tobago. Gosh I love those people. They hold firm to their principles, they don't budge. Tobago should just break away and chart their own destiny. I get the feeling that Trinidad is keeping Tobago from fulfilling its own potential. We keeping them back.

 Doh worry brother Tobago going to fall too.

 :shameonyou:
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: fishs on July 30, 2013, 07:33:14 AM
I would love to see him take on the east west corridor. I think the Pnm has been stuttering by. All these parties need a rude awakening to shake them up. If Jack put a decent side together he could win easily. The only place I could see him getting difficulty is Tobago. Gosh I love those people. They hold firm to their principles, they don't budge. Tobago should just break away and chart their own destiny. I get the feeling that Trinidad is keeping Tobago from fulfilling its own potential. We keeping them back.

 Doh worry brother Tobago going to fall too.

 :shameonyou:

Lol  lets bet if I win yuh make mih ah sweetbread.... if I lose ah share it wid yuh.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Dutty on July 30, 2013, 08:58:49 AM
. Look how overnight Jack become a beacon of hope.


 :DThe vicious cycle of oxymoronic irony

I is ah half glass full kinda fellah, all this showin is trinbago people doh always have a tribal vote...and jack cyah win outside chaguanas because he eh build box drain or do nuttn for nobody
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: D.H.W on July 30, 2013, 09:07:10 AM
Beacon of hope? To who?
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: weary1969 on July 30, 2013, 09:41:27 AM
Beacon of hope? To who?

CO-SIGNNNNN
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: 100% Barataria on July 30, 2013, 10:10:49 AM
Have not been following the intricacies of this election, so forgive and educate me, what were the major factors that lead this constituency (any in TT candidly) re-electing this man to parliament? Jack Horner feel free to not respond..thanks
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Dutty on July 30, 2013, 10:28:37 AM
Beacon of hope? To who?

CO-SIGNNNNN

to be fair, I take a piece of congo quote..so it is out of context
ah tink he was just playin devils advocate for the people whey vote for jack
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: weary1969 on July 30, 2013, 10:34:13 AM
Beacon of hope? To who?

CO-SIGNNNNN

to be fair, I take a piece of congo quote..so it is out of context
ah tink he was just playin devils advocate for the people whey vote for jack

I know but still need to cosign because if you hear nonesense people chatting on the radio.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: weary1969 on July 30, 2013, 10:35:33 AM
Have not been following the intricacies of this election, so forgive and educate me, what were the major factors that lead this constituency (any in TT candidly) re-electing this man to parliament? Jack Horner feel free to not respond..thanks

They get an MP who gave them box drains, wheel chairs, crutches was available at 3am. Things like that.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: D.H.W on July 30, 2013, 10:38:47 AM
People confusing delusional Chaguanus people for the rest of the country. Jack will mash up what's left of PP. Also Jack definitely not winning over any other seats dont be fooled. Chaguanus only vote for him because he play a modern day Pablo Escobar fixing road and giving away money. That shit not pulling no weight in Arima etc.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: 100% Barataria on July 30, 2013, 10:52:51 AM
Thx Weary, DHW, ah boy
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: pecan on July 30, 2013, 11:12:59 AM
People confusing delusional Chaguanus people for the rest of the country. Jack will mash up what's left of PP. Also Jack definitely not winning over any other seats dont be fooled. Chaguanus only vote for him because he play a modern day Pablo Escobar fixing road and giving away money. That shit not pulling no weight in Arima etc.


he playing dead to ketch corbeau alive. looks like it have plenty corbeau in Chaguanus
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: weary1969 on July 30, 2013, 11:34:45 AM
People confusing delusional Chaguanus people for the rest of the country. Jack will mash up what's left of PP. Also Jack definitely not winning over any other seats dont be fooled. Chaguanus only vote for him because he play a modern day Pablo Escobar fixing road and giving away money. That shit not pulling no weight in Arima etc.


Exactly what he goin and offer d people of Diego Martin Central aka Goodwood Park they road done pave and water flowing like it that.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: D.H.W on July 30, 2013, 12:10:19 PM
Volney resign from UNC. Breaking
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Dutty on July 30, 2013, 12:45:46 PM
People confusing delusional Chaguanus people for the rest of the country. Jack will mash up what's left of PP. Also Jack definitely not winning over any other seats dont be fooled. Chaguanus only vote for him because he play a modern day Pablo Escobar fixing road and giving away money. That shit not pulling no weight in Arima etc.


I eh too sure bout dat breds...ent Arima put Anil in he seat?
Since dais Jack golden boy..is just a matter of time before Anil slither across into the green fields like da fat weasel Volney
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: pecan on July 30, 2013, 01:08:28 PM
People confusing delusional Chaguanus people for the rest of the country. Jack will mash up what's left of PP. Also Jack definitely not winning over any other seats dont be fooled. Chaguanus only vote for him because he play a modern day Pablo Escobar fixing road and giving away money. That shit not pulling no weight in Arima etc.


I eh too sure bout dat breds...ent Arima put Anil in he seat?
Since dais Jack golden boy..is just a matter of time before Anil slither across into the green fields like da fat weasel Volney

ahmmm .. are fat weasels and demonic pigs in the genus?
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: congo on July 30, 2013, 01:25:35 PM
I dont think you all understand just how low the bar is in politics here and how easy it is to impress people. All people want are a few box drain etc and to see their MP to appear hardworking. So what if seats like Diego Martin etc don't want for much. They are just a few places around the country that want for very little. The PNM barely won that seat last time. Call it the Manning effect or whatever but PNM still hasn't washed that stink from it.
Title: Re: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: D.H.W on July 30, 2013, 01:26:44 PM
People confusing delusional Chaguanus people for the rest of the country. Jack will mash up what's left of PP. Also Jack definitely not winning over any other seats dont be fooled. Chaguanus only vote for him because he play a modern day Pablo Escobar fixing road and giving away money. That shit not pulling no weight in Arima etc.


I eh too sure bout dat breds...ent Arima put Anil in he seat?
Since dais Jack golden boy..is just a matter of time before Anil slither across into the green fields like da fat weasel Volney

No Arima put Anil in power because the PNM say Arima is bush etc etc. Jack is another story altogether.

Anil aint do shit for Arima I never even see him.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Dutty on July 30, 2013, 01:56:50 PM
People confusing delusional Chaguanus people for the rest of the country. Jack will mash up what's left of PP. Also Jack definitely not winning over any other seats dont be fooled. Chaguanus only vote for him because he play a modern day Pablo Escobar fixing road and giving away money. That shit not pulling no weight in Arima etc.


I eh too sure bout dat breds...ent Arima put Anil in he seat?
Since dais Jack golden boy..is just a matter of time before Anil slither across into the green fields like da fat weasel Volney

ahmmm .. are fat weasels and demonic pigs in the genus?

I doh tink so...weasel doh taste good in pelau
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: weary1969 on July 30, 2013, 01:57:08 PM
I dont think you all understand just how low the bar is in politics here and how easy it is to impress people. All people want are a few box drain etc and to see their MP to appear hardworking. So what if seats like Diego Martin etc don't want for much. They are just a few places around the country that want for very little. The PNM barely won that seat last time. Call it the Manning effect or whatever but PNM still hasn't washed that stink from it.

Manning like Robbie looking like heroes. People 4get bout all the wrongs he did.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: weary1969 on July 30, 2013, 01:57:55 PM
Volney resign from UNC. Breaking

I dear Kamla to expel him and call a Bye Election.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: congo on July 30, 2013, 02:13:45 PM
Unc has 19 seats right now...Interesting
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Bourbon on July 30, 2013, 02:50:40 PM
Anil is D'abadie Omeara. Roger Samuel is Arima.



I dunno how different the result would have been in a general election, or if Kamla was still popular. I however note the fact of "so wha if he tief? He do plenty for people" which real people using as a mantra or a justification. I not sure how much effect that would have if ILP were to contest a general or local govt election...but its an eye opening thing.


And a testament to the kind of "representation" people have gotten.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Brownsugar on July 31, 2013, 05:49:45 AM
Anil is D'abadie Omeara. Roger Samuel is Arima.



I dunno how different the result would have been in a general election, or if Kamla was still popular. I however note the fact of "so wha if he tief? He do plenty for people" which real people using as a mantra or a justification. I not sure how much effect that would have if ILP were to contest a general or local govt election...but its an eye opening thing.


And a testament to the kind of "representation" people have gotten.

Boy it real eye opening.......ah hear one woman say on Red 96.7 yesterday morning......"we doh want Kamla any more, Rowley arrogant, and Jack wukking for de ppl......so we going wid he"  so what if he is ah ole tief.....small ting.....he hard wukking!!

And the next mantra is "all dem ting is jess allegations....." yeah.....uh huh....because we are a 2 x 4, green fig republic is why they are still "jess allegations"...... ::) ::)

Real twilight zone stuff......
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: fishs on July 31, 2013, 06:30:50 AM
Anil is D'abadie Omeara. Roger Samuel is Arima.



I dunno how different the result would have been in a general election, or if Kamla was still popular. I however note the fact of "so wha if he tief? He do plenty for people" which real people using as a mantra or a justification. I not sure how much effect that would have if ILP were to contest a general or local govt election...but its an eye opening thing.


And a testament to the kind of "representation" people have gotten.

Boy it real eye opening.......ah hear one woman say on Red 96.7 yesterday morning......"we doh want Kamla any more, Rowley arrogant, and Jack wukking for de ppl......so we going wid he"  so what if he is ah ole tief.....small ting.....he hard wukking!! And the next mantra is "all dem ting is jess allegations....." yeah.....uh huh....because we are a 2 x 4, green fig republic is why they are still "jess allegations"...... ::) ::)

Real twilight zone stuff......

The majority of Trinidadians don't have time for morality and honor and stuff.
It is years now both PNM and UNC cultivating this horror, it manifests itself eveywhere you turn... indiscipline in schools, on the roads, in public offices, in public spaces, in fetes, carnival on our beachs... everywhere.

If you think people in Arima or Charlotteville more sophisticated in what they want out of politicians then yuh not living in TT.

Jack is exactly what this crazed multitude wants and he will sweep this country like a maelstrom


Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Bourbon on July 31, 2013, 07:43:06 AM
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Samad-vows-to-be-Jacks-nemesis-217685981.html

Samad vows to be Jack’s nemesis
By Joel Julien joel.julien@trinidadexpress.com
Story Created: Jul 30, 2013 at 9:26 PM ECT
Story Updated: Jul 30, 2013 at 10:13 PM ECT
ACTIVIST Ishmael Samad yesterday vowed to be the “nemesis” of newly re-elected Member of Parliament for Chaguanas West, Jack Warner.
Samad said he considers Warner’s resounding victory in the Chaguanas West by-election “a slap” in the face.
Samad, leader of the Party for Integrity and Morality in Politics (PIMP), was among five others who registered with the Elections and Boundaries Commission (EBC) to contest Warner in the by-election.
Last week, however, Samad withdrew from the race.
Samad said he pulled out of the election so as not to split the votes in what he believed would be a tight election race. The PIMP leader yesterday staged a one-man protest near the statue of Captain Arthur Andrew Cipriani located along the Brian Lara Promenade, Independence Square in Port of Spain.
Samad said following news of Warner’s victory he had  to make a “dramatic statement”.
He shaved his head.
“The fact that the people of Chaguanas West would elect a person of that character in light of all...that avalanche of accusations against him, it tells you a lot about us,” Samad said.
Samad was yesterday armed with a placard questioning Warner about $4.5 million in aid from world football governing body, FIFA, earmarked for earthquake ravaged Haiti that could not be accounted for.
“I intend to be Jack Warner’s nemesis. I intend to follow him everywhere he goes. Everyday he is in that Parliament I am going to be there calling on him to account,” Samad said.
Samad warned Warner to walk with a “10-man strong security team” wherever he goes.
“I campaigned on the issue of Haiti, where the money gone $4.5 million. That is what I was campaigning on, I take this (Warner’s election victory) very personal. It is a personal slap in my face that people would say....all they saying is ‘Haiti we sorry, but we love our Jack’. I cannot take that,” Samad said.
Samad expressed “shock and disgrace” over the results of the Chaguanas by-election.
Samad said despite an 11-part series by head of  Express Investigative Desk Camini Marajh, the Chaguanas West constituents still voted for Warner.
“I feel a sense of psychic shame to be a Trini but you know what, this is a war and this is just one battle. There are several battles and I come out to win. I am outraged at what happened last night and I had to do something so I shaved my head, I can’t make a more dramatic statement,” Samad said.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Bourbon on July 31, 2013, 07:43:58 AM
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/FALLOUT-217689351.html

FALLOUT
UNC defeat in Chaguanas West by-election

By Ria Taitt Political Editor
Story Created: Jul 30, 2013 at 10:07 PM ECT
Story Updated: Jul 30, 2013 at 11:21 PM ECT
Jack Warner’s victory in Chaguanas West has laid bare some uncertainties within the People’s Partnership coalition.
The People’s Partnership, which won 29 seats in May 2010, started out  with a 21/6/2 equation—21 United National Congress (UNC) members, six from the Congress of the People (COP) and two from the Tobago Organisation of the People (TOP).
By yesterday, with the resignation of St Joseph MP Herbert Volney from the UNC and the electoral success of the Independent Liberal Party (ILP)  leader Warner, the UNC numbers were reduced to 19. And there is now doubt about the stabi­lity of those numbers since observers feel that with the strength of Warner’s victory, the ILP could serve as a rallying point for those who see themselves as margina­lised within the coalition.
With the entry of the ILP, it also means the country now has a six-party Parliament—the largest number in the legislature’s political history. The 41-member Parliament would now comprise the UNC, COP, TOP, ILP and People’s National Movement (PNM). The National Joint Action committee (NJAC), which would make six, has a lone member in the Senate.
Political observers yesterday said with the victory of Warner, there is likely to be a power shift within the Partnership, away from the Prime Minister and increasingly toward the individual members of Parliament, whose support is necessary to keep her Government in office. The Prime Minister needs every man on board now.  And the hands of individual MPs are likely to be strengthened.
Arima MP Rodger Samuel, who told the COP National Council he planned to resign from the Government two weeks ago, yesterday declined to reveal his political plans.
He said he was hoping to have a meeting with the Prime Minister shortly. “Sometime this week, I will meet with her and share all that is in my heart,” he said. He said he owed it to her, to speak with her first before saying anything to anybody. “After I speak with her, then I’ll take it to the next level,” he said.
Ortoire Mayaro MP Winston “Gypsy” Peters, who opted to attend the ILP victory rally instead of going to the UNC camp, was asked yesterday whether he had any intention of leaving the UNC. “Well, let me explain something to you. I don’t know. One could never tell. One never knows what would happen in the future... I don’t have a crystal ball. One never knows. I never even knew I was going to be a UNC. I don’t know what would happen tomorrow or the day after. I am a member of the UNC now. That’s what I am. And I am a loyal member of the UNC—right now... But one never knows. Politics is a very fluid thing,” he said.
Gypsy said he went to Warner’s camp because Warner “was my rela­tive and my friend. He is respon­sible for me being in politics”. He said he was no fair-weather friend.
Samuel said yesterday he had always received “tremendous respect” from Warner. “I  cannot fault him for that. One of the persons that respected me tremendously was him,” Samuel said. He said he texted Warner late last night to congratulate him, saying that “he needed to take some time and to give God some time”.
Asked his thoughts on the election result, Samuel said it was expected. “Whatever God would have, God would have.”
Samuel said politics should not destroy friendships and those who were friends with Warner before should be able to go to his camp and congratulate him. “If you and I are playing football (on opposing teams), each of us playing to win and we would fight and tackle each other hard, but right after the game, you and I are friends,” he said, adding “we are brothers of humanity”.
Samuel said while his full fast (where he had no food) ended on Sunday, he was now on daytime fast from 6 a.m. to 6 p.m., which continues for the next ten days. He said he would continue to pray for the nation. He conceded that the country was in an unpredictable time, “but God is still in charge of everything”.
TOP leader Ashworth Jack was asked how vulnerable the coalition was, and what was the position of TOP, whose two MPs formed part of the People’s Partnership.
Jack, whose TOP lost all 12 seats in the last THA election, said: “In politics, like in life, you are not sure who you are dealing with. Today people are one thing, tomorrow you wonder if it is the same person you knew the day before. So I would not hazard a guess to say how people feel. Because we can be so wrong.”
Jack said he did not want to “put his foot in his mouth” thinking that he knew people. He said he could not say where the two TOP MPs (Vernella Alleyne-Toppin and Delmon Baker) stood. He said could only speak for himself. He said it was sad that this situation (with Warner) had come to this. He hoped there was still room for reconciliation and that people could understand the country was bigger than us as individuals and we can put our differences behind in the interest of the country, he said.
Jack said Chaguanas West had taught the country the issue of race does not apply to ordinary citizens.
“All of us in the country, inclusive of Tobago, could learn from that,” said Jack. “I also think we treat our people so badly, sometimes with information that we are not so sure about. I makes me a bit sad to see how we treat each other. We really need to be a bit more careful with each other because, at the end of the day, people have families who are affected. Sometimes in our haste to look good, to say we first know of something, we tend to forget we are dealing with human beings. In the last couple of months and after this election, we should have learned a lesson from that—that there are sensitivities and we really need to be careful,” he said.
He said he believed the politics of this country had not been the politics of building, but of “division and spite”. “We try to see how many bad things we could say about each other. And I feel sad about that sometimes,” he said.
Jack said he had the greatest respect for “both leaders”—Kamla Persad-Bissessar and Warner—and believed they could find  a way to transcend “some of the pettiness that we see”.
The first formal fracture of the People’s Partnership took place when the Movement for Social Justice broke with it. Since then, there have been expressions of dissatisfaction by the elements within the COP
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: royal on July 31, 2013, 08:42:34 AM
Disgrace former Trinidad soccer executive makes political comeback


http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/07/31/3533421/disgraced-former-trinidad-soccer.html
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: weary1969 on July 31, 2013, 11:26:25 AM
Anil is D'abadie Omeara. Roger Samuel is Arima.



I dunno how different the result would have been in a general election, or if Kamla was still popular. I however note the fact of "so wha if he tief? He do plenty for people" which real people using as a mantra or a justification. I not sure how much effect that would have if ILP were to contest a general or local govt election...but its an eye opening thing.


And a testament to the kind of "representation" people have gotten.

Boy it real eye opening.......ah hear one woman say on Red 96.7 yesterday morning......"we doh want Kamla any more, Rowley arrogant, and Jack wukking for de ppl......so we going wid he"  so what if he is ah ole tief.....small ting.....he hard wukking!!

And the next mantra is "all dem ting is jess allegations....." yeah.....uh huh....because we are a 2 x 4, green fig republic is why they are still "jess allegations"...... ::) ::)

Real twilight zone stuff......

I refuse 2belive the majority of Trinidadians believe that and would make Jack PM. if Jack becomes PM my sis have 2 file 4me b4 d immigration laws change or I will have to find my fther family and go live Vincy I will not live here if JW is PM.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: OutsideMan on July 31, 2013, 12:06:11 PM
People confusing delusional Chaguanus people for the rest of the country. Jack will mash up what's left of PP. Also Jack definitely not winning over any other seats dont be fooled. Chaguanus only vote for him because he play a modern day Pablo Escobar fixing road and giving away money. That shit not pulling no weight in Arima etc.


 :beermug:
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Jah Gol on August 03, 2013, 03:43:42 PM
The implications of Jack Warner’s return to parliament and the manner of his ascendancy have created shockwaves in the political landscape. One week after Jack Warner’s victory at the polls political ads are still being run on primetime television. He’s using the momentum of the electoral victory to occupy the public’s mental space as he is not satisfied with Chagaunas West alone. The perennial kingmaker wants a crack at the throne for himself.

The culture of dependency in Trinidad especially has reached maturity to the extent that Jack Warner boldly refers to himself as Uncle Jack - A trustworthy and benevolent character ready to deliver goodies to all and sundry. The people of Chaguanas West apparently lapped it up. I listened to his plans and quietly asked is he saying that in order to be a good MP you must possess enormous sums of wealth and use it to ‘help’ people.To many who read that last sentence it may appear harmless in fact virtuous. It’s just that it’s not actually a plan, it’s not sustainable and it’s not replicable.

I observed this election with a degree of amusement. Not to be frivolous but it was the only emotion I could muster from the insanity that ensued. I saw Kamla Persad-Bissessar feign ignorance as is her custom when she  attacked  Jack Warner on matters that she consistently defended him about for the past three years. I also saw Jack Warner paint a picture of a cabal hell bent on manipulating the Prime Minister. In the background of that picturelay a group of non-performers and farther still another group concerned only with enriching themselves and their families. To the ignorant it must appear that these convictions had their genesis mere months ago. To the diligent it smacks of unbridled hypocrisy and inextricable, intertwined corruption

To say that Warner is unsuitable for public office is a truism and an understatement. That fact the he has been re-elected is an indictment on the ethical judgment of the voters and the failure of our political system to filter and discard those of reprehensible character, even when it is blatant. The irony of this disaster is despite all of Jack Warner’s sins committed at TTFF/TTFA, CFU, CONCACAF, and FIFA and despite all of his cowboy style of maneuvering and utter disregard for institutional procedures and the rule of law he has managed to hold the trust of voters. Staying close the ground, touching folks and being accessible are basic tenets for office seekers to follow. He did that better than anyone and it helped to always have a team of video journalists there to record it.

One notable shift in way we vote is that if and when a constituency’s preferred party defies their wishes regarding the choice of candidate voters will either abstain or defect. Patrick Manning made this mistake in 2010 when he spurned Penelope Beckles and the PNM lost Arima. Kamla Persad-Bissessar was not mindful and even worse was complacent in her selection of Khadija Ameen who to be polite was a weak candidate. Persad-Bissessar thought that she could depend on traditional support. She was wrong and her concession speech revealed a lack of stability in her Government.

I looked on as councilors and recycled politicians switched sides and read the comments from various MPs within the People’s Partnership obfuscating their intent to pursue the next opportunity and can’t help but feel that the whole thing is rotten. It’s old wine in an old wineskin, dyed green. They have no cogent philosophy and no plan beyond winning elections which at this point should be all too familiar to us. We the people must take these parties to task evaluate them intelligently. If not the trend of poor governance on the road to state failure will continue.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Brownsugar on August 04, 2013, 05:48:23 AM
Jah boy...... :applause: :applause: :applause:
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Bourbon on August 04, 2013, 09:32:59 AM
Just in case yuh eh get to read the play:


http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Jack-ILP-to-launch-local-govt-campaign-next-week-218177832.html?m=y&smobile=y&clmob=y&c=n

Quote
The Independent Liberal Party (ILP) will officially launch its campaign for the local government elections next Friday.

ILP interim leader Jack Warner returned to the Parliament yesterday and was sworn in, having won the Chaguanas West by-election on Monday as the ILP candidate.

Questioned by the media on what it was like to be back, Warner said he felt at home after a three-month hiatus where he engaged in a “bruising campaign” with Government machinery against him yet he emerged successful with a landslide victory in the United National Congress (UNC) heartland.

Warner said it was unprecedented that he won all 51 polling stations in the by-election. The launch of the ILP’s local government election campaign, he said, will take place on Friday next to the Tunapuna market.

He said the ILP will definitely be vying for the Tunapuna/Piarco Regional Corporation and the Chaguanas Borough Corporation as these two corporations service the needs of his constituency and he cannot deliver to the people without their assistance.

Warner said the Sangre Grande Corporation will also be contested by the ILP, pointing out that councillors from that corporation have joined ranks with the ILP.


A strategic committee, he said, will look at what other corporations the ILP will contest.

Warner said there were some persons who were still “bitter and vindictive” in the aftermath of the Chaguanas West by-election but he will deal with them at a convenient time and expose them to the public.

The spotlight was on Warner at yesterday’s parliamentary opening and he was greeted by a number of former colleagues as well as members from the Opposition and Independent benches.

“I was greeted only by Gypsy, Fuad Khan and Volney...as expected all the others were just merely sham and I didn’t take them seriously, some of them couldn’t even open their eye,” said Warner.

He said when Attorney General Anand Ramlogan greeted him, he told the AG that he was disappointed in him.

Warner said he could not be bothered by COP leader Prakash Ramadhar’s greeting as Ramadhar had said he sent a congratulatory message and Warner responded, “Yes, yeah right.”

Warner blanked the cocktail reception which followed the parliamentary opening. He opted for a private drink with his friends at the Hyatt Regency hotel.

“Mr Khan is my friend, he’s always been and will always be through good time and bad times and so too is Gypsy and so too is Volney, that’s why we are going for our own private drink at the Hyatt and not mixing with them upstairs because I can’t “chook” with people who don’t like me and otherwise,” he said.

On President Anthony Carmona’s speech, Warner said it was the best he has ever heard and it should be published and distributed to the people and everyone should have a copy of it in their homes.


Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Socapro on August 04, 2013, 08:29:40 PM
The implications of Jack Warner’s return to parliament and the manner of his ascendancy have created shockwaves in the political landscape. One week after Jack Warner’s victory at the polls political ads are still being run on primetime television. He’s using the momentum of the electoral victory to occupy the public’s mental space as he is not satisfied with Chagaunas West alone. The perennial kingmaker wants a crack at the throne for himself.

The culture of dependency in Trinidad especially has reached maturity to the extent that Jack Warner boldly refers to himself as Uncle Jack - A trustworthy and benevolent character ready to deliver goodies to all and sundry. The people of Chaguanas West apparently lapped it up. I listened to his plans and quietly asked is he saying that in order to be a good MP you must possess enormous sums of wealth and use it to ‘help’ people.To many who read that last sentence it may appear harmless in fact virtuous. It’s just that it’s not actually a plan, it’s not sustainable and it’s not replicable.

I observed this election with a degree of amusement. Not to be frivolous but it was the only emotion I could muster from the insanity that ensued. I saw Kamla Persad-Bissessar feign ignorance as is her custom when she  attacked  Jack Warner on matters that she consistently defended him about for the past three years. I also saw Jack Warner paint a picture of a cabal hell bent on manipulating the Prime Minister. In the background of that picturelay a group of non-performers and farther still another group concerned only with enriching themselves and their families. To the ignorant it must appear that these convictions had their genesis mere months ago. To the diligent it smacks of unbridled hypocrisy and inextricable, intertwined corruption

To say that Warner is unsuitable for public office is a truism and an understatement. That fact the he has been re-elected is an indictment on the ethical judgment of the voters and the failure of our political system to filter and discard those of reprehensible character, even when it is blatant. The irony of this disaster is despite all of Jack Warner’s sins committed at TTFF/TTFA, CFU, CONCACAF, and FIFA and despite all of his cowboy style of maneuvering and utter disregard for institutional procedures and the rule of law he has managed to hold the trust of voters. Staying close the ground, touching folks and being accessible are basic tenets for office seekers to follow. He did that better than anyone and it helped to always have a team of video journalists there to record it.

One notable shift in way we vote is that if and when a constituency’s preferred party defies their wishes regarding the choice of candidate voters will either abstain or defect. Patrick Manning made this mistake in 2010 when he spurned Penelope Beckles and the PNM lost Arima. Kamla Persad-Bissessar was not mindful and even worse was complacent in her selection of Khadija Ameen who to be polite was a weak candidate. Persad-Bissessar thought that she could depend on traditional support. She was wrong and her concession speech revealed a lack of stability in her Government.

I looked on as councilors and recycled politicians switched sides and read the comments from various MPs within the People’s Partnership obfuscating their intent to pursue the next opportunity and can’t help but feel that the whole thing is rotten. It’s old wine in an old wineskin, dyed green. They have no cogent philosophy and no plan beyond winning elections which at this point should be all too familiar to us. We the people must take these parties to task evaluate them intelligently. If not the trend of poor governance on the road to state failure will continue.
:beermug: :beermug: :beermug:
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Tallman on August 10, 2013, 03:31:45 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/UB5casFxfhc
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: lefty on August 10, 2013, 04:19:16 PM
looooool
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Flex on August 13, 2013, 08:02:46 AM
If Jack still had his green card he could not have worked in Parliament?

And the US would not need permission to extradited him if he was found guilty.

Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: Flex on August 15, 2013, 01:59:39 AM
GORDON PROBES JACK’S CLAIMS
By Renuka Singh (Express)


Glenn welcomes investigation: Integrity Commission initiates action on allegation that a minister owns 6 palatial homes

The Integrity Commission is using its own initiative to investigate corruption allegations against a Govern­ment minister made by Independent Liberal Party (LIP) interim leader Jack Warner during the Chaguanas West by-election campaign.

In a media release yesterday, the commission signalled its intention to investigate Warner’s claim that a Government minister had acquired six houses, one of which came from a contractor in exchange for that contractor receiving a $36 million contract.

The commission is also investigating the allegation that the same minister “received a house from a businessman in exchange for the businessman having some of his properties rented by the minister’s ministry”.

Commission chairman Ken Gordon yesterday said while the commission usually investigates complaints brought to it, it has decided to invoke Section 33 of the Integrity in Public Life Act and investigate Warner’s claims without a formal complaint before the commissioners.

The commissioners are Gordon, retired justice Sebastian Ventour (deputy chairman), Seunarine Jokhoo, Deonarine Jaggernauth and Dr Shelly-Anne Lalchan.

On July 23, seven days before the Chaguanas West by-election, Warner, during a public meeting at the Marchin Recreation Grounds in Cunupia, showed pictures of six “palatial homes” which he said belonged to one Government minister who “could not afford to buy a doubles” before his ministerial post.

Though Warner was careful not to name the minister, the day after the allegations were made, Minister of the People Dr Glenn Ramadharsingh stepped forward to deny them, saying then that he owned one home that was still mortgaged and incomplete.

“It is a judgment call based on the seriousness of the allegations,” Gordon said.

“The Integrity Commission always prefers that people write the complaint as the basis for our work, but according to the act, we do not need something to be before us in order to act,” he added.

The release stated that in accor­dance with Section 33 (a) of the act, “the Integrity Commission may, on its own initiative, consider and enquire into any alleged breaches of the act or any allegations of corrupt or dishonest conduct by persons in public life. The commission has decided to pursue this matter”.

Gordon said while the commission still lacked the manpower to investigate everything alleged in the course of the by-election campaign, it would be taking more self-initia­ted action.

“It is not something we could sit down and decide whimsically to investigate everything that occurs, but we will be selectively investigating some matters,” he said.

According to Gordon, “It (Section 33 of the Integrity in Public Life Act) has been used at least three times in the past. We feel now that it must be made clear that we must act.”

Gordon also said the commission wanted to make it clear that it would be using its own initiative to investigate violations of the act.

Ramadharsingh, in a telephone interview yesterday, said he “welcomed” the investigation as a means to “clear the air” after Warner made the “salacious” allegations.

“I have a very good relationship with the Integrity Commission. They have not contacted me, but I hope that they are going to use their initiative to investigate other matters, too,” he said.

Warner, in a telephone interview, said he too “welcomed” the investigation, though he found it “unusual” they would investigate without a formal complaint.

“I have the proof to back up every­thing I say on the platform. Everything,” he said.

Warner said he was so confident that he was right, that if he was proven wrong, he intended to kneel and kiss Ramadharsingh’s feet in apology.

“I will kiss his ring and his feet if I am wrong. That is how confident I am in my information,” he said.
Warner said he had more information, adding that the level of corruption he has uncovered was “bad, bad”.

“Information comes to me in droves, droves. And it is not good. I have to talk to my lawyers before I could even reveal some of it because I do not want to cause the demise of the Government. It is that bad,” he said.

Statement by Integrity Commission

The Integrity Commission of Trinidad and Tobago in the exercise of its mandate under Section 33 (a) of the Integrity in Public Life Act (IPLA), has taken a decision to initiate an investigation into allegations of corruption made by Mr Jack Warner, MP against a Government minister.

Mr Warner, at a political campaign meeting on July 23, 2013, for the Chaguanas West constituency, made statements alleging that a Government minister had, “since becoming a minister acquired six houses, one of which was received from a contractor in exchange for that contractor receiving a $36 million contract”. It was also alleged that “a minister of government allegedly received a house from a businessman in exchange for the businessman having some of his properties rented by the minister’s ministry.”

In accordance with Section 33 (a) of the IPLA the Integrity Commission may, on its own initiative, consider and enquire into any alleged breaches of the act or any allegations of corrupt or dishonest conduct by persons in public life. The commission has decided to pursue this matter.
The commission intends to inform the public from time to time, when it has decided to carry out investigations on its own initiative.
Title: Re: Will Jack create history?
Post by: fishs on August 15, 2013, 05:18:47 AM

 WOW Jack is really something..

 This man (if GOD turns his back on Trinidad and Tobago) if he should become PM will be another Gairy, Duvalier or Mugabe.

 He will rape and destroy these islands.

 But with all of that I still think them fellas rell thiefing.
Title: Warner fails to pay taxes
Post by: Jah Gol on October 20, 2013, 03:48:07 PM
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Warner-fails-to-pay-taxes-228494951.html

Austin Jack Warner, the once powerful football figure who boasted of having deep pockets before his entry into politics, has been operating outside this country’s tax laws with impunity for more than a decade in what tax experts say is a deliberate scheme to evade the payment of personal and corporate taxes.

And, as continuing Sunday Express investigations have found, he failed to disclose tens of millions of dollars in cash gifts received from miscellaneous sources and beneficial interests held in no less than 15 business entities as required by the Integrity in Public Life Act (IPLA) 2000. (See Page 20)

Warner, who has been the subject of national and international investigations into allegations of financial fraud, has failed to file corporation tax returns for all of his registrable interests disclosed in his statements of return made to the Integrity Commission (IC), the State watchdog agency tasked with keeping public officials honest.

The stockpile of evidence, collected in an ongoing Sunday Express investigation, reveal that the former government minister, Member of Parliament for Chaguanas West, interim political leader of the Independent Liberal Party (ILP) and the man who is offering himself as a prospective prime minister of this country, failed to file corporation tax returns for any of his many business interests in more than a decade and in one or two instances—seven years. 

Off the Grid
In the case of three of his business interests—Eastern Agricultural Resorts Ltd, JAW Holdings Ltd and JAW Ltd—there is no record of any of these companies even being registered with the Board of Inland Revenue (BIR), according to persons with knowledge of the situation. Warner, who served at times as this country’s acting prime minister and is the listed owner of a substantial business empire which  includes the US$26 million Dr Joao Havelange Centre of Excellence, also failed to file any personal income tax returns for the last three years.

His last return filed in 2009 reported a net income of TT$651,893 with consultancy fees from the Federation Internationale de Football Association (FIFA) of US$75,000 or TT$472,500. Total emolument income, including pension, was said to be $179,393. His tax return, however, failed to reflect honoraria payments made by football’s ruling body for North and Central America and the Caribbean (Concacaf) of which he was president until a 2011 cash-for-votes corruption scandal put an end to his world football administrator career.

Concacaf insiders report that Warner was provided with an American Express card with a US$10,000 a year credit limit, attendance fees of US$10,000 per board meeting (this figure was increased to US$15,000 in 2010), a per diem allowance of US$175 and hotel and air travel expenses whenever he had to go abroad on Concacaf’s business. The board of the region’s governing football body met twice, sometimes three times a year.

Warner also failed to disclose the honoraria payments he received from Concacaf to the IC in direct breach of the IPLA legislation. In a December 9, 2011 response to an IC request for additional information relating to his statement of registrable interests, he made clear that he was “not employed by Concacaf” and had been provided only with a vehicle from the football body.                                                           

Tax Evasion
He also reported not being in receipt of any employment or dividend income from 11 of the 12 business entities he disclosed an interest in to the IC. The list of Warner’s 11 comprise: Sportel Ltd, Multi Stores Ltd, Eastern Agricultural Resorts Ltd, Jamad Maintenance Services Ltd, Reenalen Ltd, JAW Ltd, Renraw Ltd, Kantac Ltd, JAW Holdings Ltd, Joe Public Ltd and H&Z Ltd.

In correspondence dated February 7 this year, his long-time pal and accountant-in-chief Kenny Rampersad informed the IC that Warner held investments in the Cayman Island company, J&D International (which derived tens of millions of US dollars from Warner’s controversial acquisition of World Cup broadcasting rights for the region), and CCAM Ltd.

As reported in an earlier series published in this newspaper, Warner bought the TV rights for several World Cup editions for a mere US$1 in a backroom deal in Zurich. Publicly, the deal was sold as a rescue effort to save the financially-stricken Warner-created and controlled CFU but privately, the lucrative TV rights were diverted to Warner’s offshore company.

CCAM is one of three partners behind a trading entity called the Dr Joao Havelange Centre of Excellence (CoE), the disputed asset which was listed on the books of Concacaf for years by Rampersad and which Warner claimed was a gift from FIFA. CCAM has failed to file corporate tax returns for more than a decade or pay any taxes, including VAT.

Opaque Dealings
Renraw Ltd, the other business partner behind the CoE has also failed to file corporation tax returns for the last seven years in clear contravention of the Income Tax Act. It has, however, filed VAT returns, for the CoE. But the revenue figures submitted in the VAT filings for the CoE in the last 14 years, according to persons with knowledge of the situation, suggest under-reporting and in some instances, no reporting of income.

For example, Renraw claimed an average annual CSM (Commercial Supplies Made) or revenue stream  of  TT$7.5  million
 in each of the last four years which gave it a VAT liability of about $300,000 a year. In 2000, Renraw reported $1.3 million income for the CoE.  No return was filed for 2001 and in 2002, revenue was reported at $2.9 million.

Concacaf’s financial statements for 1999 show payments of US$1,415,388 or TT$8.8 million going to the CoE for what is described as “courses”. In 2001, this figure went up to US$2,291,762 or TT$13.9 million. In 2009, Concacaf paid CoE US$650,738 or just over TT$4 million for courses run at the Macoya sport and hotel facility. In 2010, the figure was US$578,608 or TT$3.6 million. Renraw did not file VAT returns for the CoE for several years including 2004, 2006, 2007 and 2008.

It is not clear whether the VAT returns filed by Renraw represent that company’s share of earnings from the CoE and whether they include revenue from Bollywood concerts, trade shows, weddings and miscellaneous other events. The tax laws require each member of a partnership to disclose income to the BIR. In this case, none of the partners, including Warner himself, disclosed income to the national tax collection agency. Warner also failed to disclose income from his Cayman activities.
 
Withholding VAT
And in yet another contravention of Trinidad and Tobago’s tax laws, a trading entity called Le Sportel Inn, another Warner business creation owned by the same three partners—CCAM, Renraw and Warner—and the apparent management company of the CoE, has been issuing invoices without evidence of a VAT registration number stated in the billing document, as required by law.

Documents obtained by this newspaper show another Warner company, Jamad Ltd doing the same thing. A 2004 Jamad invoice shows office rent charges issued to the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) for $30,000 with a 15 per cent tax rate of $4,500. It is not clear whether the tax charged is for VAT but the company has not filed VAT returns since April 14, 2003.

Sources report that some of these matters, all criminal offences, have been engaging the attention of the tax authorities and the Integrity Commission. Warner, who failed to disclose his shareholder interest in Jamad Ltd to the IC, received five cheque payments totaling $1 million in 2007 from contractor and UNC (United National Congress) financier Krishna Lalla.

Million dollar payments
He received $27.1 million in more cheque payments through an entity called Centre of Excellence/Indoor Facility and another half a million through the CFU from Lalla, none of which he disclosed to the IC and/or the Board of Inland Revenue as required by law.

Warner who entered public life in 2007 as a Member of Parliament also failed to disclose the huge cash payments he received from Lalla that year. In all, he is reported to have collected $60 million in cash and cheque payments from Lalla, who in court filings, contends the money was a loan. Warner insists it was a gift.

The controversial football figure who built a billion-dollar empire on a foundation of questionable gains also failed to report to the IC and to the BIR a US$250,000 cash payment he received in 2008 from disgraced ex-AFC (Asian Football Federation) president Mohamed bin Hammam. Adding to the complex web of inter-connected layering of companies are asset and property buys, warehoused in a myriad number of business entities.

As reported in the 12-part Sunday Express series published earlier this year, Warner is using a multitude of entities to hide his business dealings, including the theft of some $100 million in public and private sector funds paid to the TTFF in support of 2006 World Cup campaign. Financial statements and bank records in the possession of this newspaper show substantial payments in the tens of millions of dollars paid to Warner, his private companies, other family-owned businesses and another Warner-controlled creation called LOC Germany.

Maze of companies
JAW Ltd, a private Warner company, redirected more than $13 million in public and private sector money held at TTFF Republic West Mall and Long Circular branches to itself. Another $3 million in grant money paid to the national football federation was moved to Jamad Ltd, Warner companies that have not filed corporation tax returns in years.

The list of omitted entities in which Warner either had an interest or continues to hold a beneficial interest: Le Sportel Inn, Jamad Ltd, Catch of D’Day, Arouca Development Company (struck off the company registrar since its last annual return filing on December 15, 2012), Dr Joao Havelange Centre of Excellence, Forbiz Ltd, LOC Germany 2006 Ltd, Ossature One Ltd, Concacaf, Magwar Ltd, D’Coal Pot, D’Reef Ltd, Semi Professional Football League, Dos Ninos Ltd and La Batimeat Ltd.
 Warner was unavailable for comment.
Title: Re: Warner fails to pay taxes
Post by: Jah Gol on October 20, 2013, 03:52:07 PM
The shocking part about this is not that Warner is a crook, it's that this is a newspaper investigation and not a Board Inland Revenue investigation, if such thing exists. This sort of practice is perpetrated all over the country by the parasitic oligarchy masquerading as the business community.

We didn't want property tax and we didn't want the Revenue Authority. To say this is unsustainable is an understatement.

http://www.youtube.com/v/8ps20yaVyro
Title: Re: Warner fails to pay taxes
Post by: Dutty on October 20, 2013, 03:55:11 PM
*watap*

PP go keep diggin up the skeletons

....sad to say , he still eh go make jail









Title: Re: Warner: I've done more than my predecessors
Post by: Flex on July 25, 2014, 03:14:29 AM
JACK TO PAY $.2M
By JADA LOUTOO (Newsday).


CHAGUANAS councillor Faaiq Mohammed who was accused by Independent Liberal Party (ILP) leader Jack Warner, last year, of taking a bribe is set to receive just under $.25 million in compensation for the attack on his character by the former government minister.

The figure of $220,000 was awarded to Mohammed by Justice Vasheist Kokaram yesterday, who held that the allegation made by Warner was “out-of-place, irresponsible and unsubstantiated.”

“There is absolutely no basis for the allegation of corruption which was levelled by Mr Warner against Mr Faaiq Mohammed,” the judge said. Warner was not in court when the judge gave his ruling, however Mohammed speaking to reporters after, said he considered the sum fair, but added he would have preferred a public apology from Warner.

“The judge made a proper statement that we should review the law and look toward making the defendant apologise because assassinating someone’s character is a serious thing. In this day and age all you have is your character.

“The money will not stop the hurt because sometimes up to this day when I hear the words, which I will not repeat, but when I hear the words, I still feel something inside,” Mohammed said as he left the Hall of Justice in Port-of-Spain with his parents and one of his lawyers, Kelvin Ramkissoon.

“At least I might still use this money and do something good for the people and it might exonerate my name,” Mohammed said. The 25-year-old UWI student initiated the lawsuit after he voted for a United National Congress (UNC) candidate for the post of presiding officer during the first meeting of the Chaguanas Borough Corporation, almost a month after the local government elections last October.

Mohammed, the councillor for Charlieville, claimed he was immediately expelled from the party by Warner, who then made defamatory statements about him, accusing him of taking a bribe.

Warner, in May, admitted defaming the expelled ILP member and accepted liability in the case.

Neither party could arrive at a settlement and as such the judge was forced to make a ruling on what the final figure should be.

Kokaram said Warner’s concession of liability could only mean that he accepted that his remarks could not be substantiated and were not made on an occasion which justified such a statement nor could it be reasonably said to be a responsible statement about Mohammed’s character and the manner in which he cast his vote.

He said the statements by Warner concerned corruption in public office as the taking of a bribe of $2.5 million or any sum was a criminal offence and a breach of the codes of public office.

“The more closely it touches the claimant’s personal integrity, professional reputation, honour, courage, loyalty and core attributes, the more serious it is likely to be. “I hope that by my making these clear statements at the outset I have demonstrated that the defamatory statements and their imputations of corruption were out of place, irresponsible and unsubstantiated,” Kokaram said.

“Having regard to the nature of our relatively young society and the emphasis that should be placed on development of self esteem and character as an inherent good for the advancement of our democracy the court should begin to examine more effective remedies that may be appropriate to suitably compensate a victim of this tort yet still keeping faith the objectives of the damages remedy,” he said.

The judge said the time had come to revisit the law of remedies in defamation law to ensure it kept in step with its objective of providing an effective remedy for persons. “We are presently out of step in our defamation reform with the rest of the Commonwealth,” he said.

According to Kokaram the law of damages in defamation cases fell short on vindicating someone’s reputation and was instead an obsessed conversion of dollar values of reputations.

“The real healing effect of a public or private apology or a public statement made in open court as recompense may be just as or more effective than a pound of silver,” he said.

In Mohammed’s case as he assessed the evidence, Kokaram said it was clear the councillor’s vote was motivated by his own conscience and what he perceived to be the will and desire of the people he represents in Charlieville.

“It was not a decision taken for private gain but in his view was a vote made for the advancement of his community,” the judge said. Warner was ordered to pay costs in the sum of $42,000. Mohammed was represented by Avory Sinanan, SC and Kelvin Ramkissoon while William McCormick, QC, Om Lalla and Dereck Balliram represented Warner.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Deeks on July 25, 2014, 09:11:27 AM
whooooa!!! That was a quick judgement!
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on January 24, 2015, 04:08:40 AM
Jack ‘hanged’ - No-confidence motion against Howai fails
By Gail Alexander (Guardian).


Collapse was the outcome of Chaguanas West MP/ILP leader Jack Warner’s no-confidence motion in Parliament yesterday against Finance Minister Larry Howai. That, after Warner packed up his papers, gave up and walked out of the Parliament 20 minutes into his delivery after being cautioned by the House Speaker to stick to the motion.

After proceedings came to a premature end, PP House leader Roodal Moonilal told the T&T Guardian the Government on Monday would consider bringing a motion against Warner for abuse of privilege, bringing the Parliament into disrepute by failing to speak on his motion despite being approved and for bringing the Finance Minister into disrepute without evidence.

“Jack was hanged with the collapse of his motion. It was truly a bizarre, abnormal day in Parliament,” Moonilal added. After leaving Parliament, Warner, speaking to reporters outside of the Parliament chamber, claimed it was all part of an attempt to muzzle him and alleged the Speaker was part of it.

The parliamentary session, which usually ends at 4.30 pm, ended at 2.33 pm with Warner’s walk-out and when Speaker Wade Mark declared: “This debate has come to a premature end.” The motion of censure against Howai—present for yesterday’s debate—centred on Howai’s tenure as FCB’s CEO from 2006 to 2009 and involved a loan granted to the Carlton Savannah for construction of a hotel which allegedly affected FCB’s non-performing loan ratio.

Howai last night told the T&T Guardian he was disappointed the motion collapsed “as I would certainly have liked to have the opportunity to address the matter of the loan and the performance of the bank over the years. “I had taken the time to prepare fully for the debate once I was advised it was on the order paper.” Howai added: “I also wanted to clear up the fact that I had sent a pre-action protocol letter on the matter one week before the motion was filed.

“The explanation given may have made it sound as if my legal action was brought after the motion was filed. “I want to place on record that my legal action has nothing to do with the motion and actually preceded it. I also wanted the opportunity to place on record the stellar performance of the bank over the years.”

Before proceedings began, Mark told the Parliament it was not  his intention to stymie, stifle or muzzle freedom of speech in the chamber and as guardian of parliamentary privilege he stood in defence of that. He, however, noted he had received Warner’s motion on December 30, 2014 and approved it on January 5, 2015.

Mark said he only received a few hours ago notice from the High Court, dated January 16, 2015, on a matter concerning Howai and Azard Ali of Sunshine Publishing Company Ltd. Noting Parliament’s sub-judice rule that matters could not be dealt with while active and awaiting judgments or discontinuation in case they be prejudiced, Mark said he was not aware when he approved Warner’s motion that matter involving Howai and Ali was in court.

Mark said there was a comity between the Parliament and Judiciary and whatever was before each area, was dealt with and not interfered with by either. “We must not do anything to undermine the confidence of the judicial system,” he added. Mark said he had to be sure what Warner said in his motion would not address what was before the court and if so he would have to deny the motion. He said he could not preside over matters that brought the House into disrepute.

But, he said, he would allow Warner to speak and say if his motion was what was before the court. He said that was an individual case and not general law and “we are treading on dangerous ground.” PNM leader Keith Rowley expressed concern about a precedent which might be set if MPs “ran to the courts” to try to hamstring debate on issues with court action. Similar sentiments were expressed by PNM’s Terrence Deyalsingh.

Moonilal said there would be occurrences when the content of the motion would be similar to the court content but Moonilal said Government and Howai were “over prepared” for the debate. “We are ready, willing and able, bring it on.” he added.

I was muzzled—Jack

Warner later told reporters the High Court matter was filed after his motion and Howai did not send a pre-action protocol letter:

“Therefore this was done to muzzle me. But I have other forums,” he added. He said he could not speak about the  Carlton Savannah issue since it was in the court. He insisted the situation was done to muzzle him. In a subsequent statement, Warner said:

“While the Government may try to claim some kind of victory out of today’s proceedings, the fact is that the Government did not win but the people lost much.”

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on January 28, 2015, 05:38:59 PM
Warner: I am not worried
By the Multimedia Desk


POLITICAL Leader of the Independent Liberal Party Jack Warner this afternoon confirmed receiving a letter from the President indicating that a Tribunal was to be set up to enquire into his financial affairs.

Warner said he was not worried or concerned over the decision. Warner, however, said the letter came to his home, two hours after the Office of the President issued a statement to the press regarding the Tribunal. The following is the statement -

Warner, Political leader of the ILP, replies to President Carmona's letter

I did receive a letter from President Anthony Thomas Aquinas Carmona, O.R.T.T.,S.C., President of the Republic of Trinidad & Tobago at 7:30pm last night at my home in Five Rivers, Arouca indicating " the appointment of a tribunal to conduct an enquiry to verify the contents of the declarations of income, assets and liabilities and statements of registrable interests which I filed ...with the Integrity Commission of Trinidad & Tobago for the years ended December 31, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011."

It is informative to note that I received the President's letter, dated January 26, 2015 - my birthday, some two hours AFTER he issued his release to the Media.

I have since acknowledged receipt of same.

In the President's letter, I was given no date as to when the tribunal will start or who are the principals of the tribunal.

I am simply awaiting further information from the Office of the President.

There is nothing more that I can say on this matter except to state that, like the Political leader of the PNM, Dr Keith Rowley, who is now being investigated by a Commission of Enquiry on the Las Alturas Housing Estate matter , I, too, as Political leader of the ILP, am not in the least bit worried or concerned about this investigation.

I have been advised by others that instructions have been given that both matters must be concluded before April, 2015.

Respectfully submitted
Jack Warner
Political leader
Independent Liberal Party


Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on February 01, 2015, 06:25:06 AM
Jack: AG must step down
T&T Newsday


INDEPENDENT Liberal Party (ILP) leader Jack Warner yesterday took a turn at Attorney General Anand Ramlogan saying he should step down over current allegations of misconduct against him.

Ramlogan is under police probe after Police Complains Authority (PCA) director David West raised alleged issues of witness-tampering in Ramlogan’s libel lawsuit against Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley.

Speaking at Tower D, Port-of-Spain, Warner alleged that Ramlogan is “directly or indirectly” involved in many current allegations in the political sphere. “In the history of AGs in this country, I have never seen a worse display of an AG as I’ve seen here now,” opined Warner.

“If the Prime Minister (Kamla Persad-Bissessar) doesn’t wish to fire him, he should fire himself, because of all the issues raised against him. And this is just one more. People are asking what more must they do to rid themselves of this AG and I say to them that to rid themselves of this AG they have to rid themselves of the Government.”

He referred to the firing of former People and Social Development Minister Dr Glenn Ramadharsingh and the resignation of Tourism Minister Chandresh Sharma over misconduct allegations, saying, in comparison, their “offences are minuscule in terms of the AG’s own.”

Warner even spoke of misconduct claims against him during his tenure as a FIFA vice-president.

“Jack Warner and FIFA, 20,000 miles away had allegations, and here we are with allegations of national interest and she is at a loss to take on that?” he asked.

“How could she hold that against Jack Warner and Ramadharsingh and not Ramlogan? And if she understands that Ramlogan is the Achilles heel of the Government, she’ll act sooner than later,” Warner said.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Bourbon on February 01, 2015, 10:24:59 AM
Jack: AG must step down
T&T Newsday


Warner even spoke of misconduct claims against him during his tenure as a FIFA vice-president.

“Jack Warner and FIFA, 20,000 miles away had allegations, and here we are with allegations of national interest and she is at a loss to take on that?” he asked.

“How could she hold that against Jack Warner and Ramadharsingh and not Ramlogan? And if she understands that Ramlogan is the Achilles heel of the Government, she’ll act sooner than later,” Warner said.




Yuh have to be in a real mess to have Jack warner legitimately question your decency.
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Sando prince on February 01, 2015, 12:16:13 PM
^^ Good point. PM had removed Jack from office saying he need to clear his name before he can return to cabinet but seems like she is having an issue following the same standard with the AG
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Sando prince on February 01, 2015, 12:17:24 PM
http://www.caribbean360.com/news/trinidad-president-appoints-tribunal-probe-jack-warners-finances

Quote

President Anthony Carmona has appointed a three-member tribunal to enquire and verify the contents of declarations of income, assets and liabilities of the leader of the Independent Liberal Party (ILP) Jack Warner.

The tribunal, which includes retired Justice Sebastian Ventour, Dr Selly-Ann Lalchan and Deonarine Jaggernauth, will also enquire into Warner’s statements of registrable interests which were filed with the Integrity Commission
.
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Bourbon on February 01, 2015, 02:12:15 PM
The instigation or reason behind that laughable slightly. That mean anybody could instigate that for anybody in public life and have a specifically established tribunal on their behalf.
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: MEP on February 01, 2015, 04:15:55 PM
So my take on this situation is that the AG must resign and will be disbarred. When he does resign the government will in essence have fallen as its Chief Legal Adviser has broken the law and has done so in a manner which taints his ethics and subsequently brings everything he has done since holding office into question. This means that elections must be called ASAP but knowing this Government they would find some excuse to declare a SOE note the comments by the Polce Service welfare Association...
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Socapro on February 01, 2015, 08:52:43 PM
So my take on this situation is that the AG must resign and will be disbarred. When he does resign the government will in essence have fallen as its Chief Legal Adviser has broken the law and has done so in a manner which taints his ethics and subsequently brings everything he has done since holding office into question. This means that elections must be called ASAP but knowing this Government they would find some excuse to declare a SOE note the comments by the Polce Service welfare Association...

You are now starting to understand the thinking of the current government.

They have little care for the future of the country as their main focus is power and making themselves and their friends rich off of T&T taxpayers.
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on February 03, 2015, 05:52:24 PM
Jack: I warned the PM about Anand Ramlogan
By the Express Multimedia Desk


Independent Liberal Party (ILP) political leader, Jack Warner, hopes that Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar's statement at 4p.m. is to "relieve an over-burdened nation of her Attorney General".

Warner said Attorney General Anand Ramlogan, from his appointment, was nothing but a black spot on the country.

He said since the Chaguanas bye-election he has been begging Persad-Bissessar to "free herself from those cabalistic hands around her throat which have been isolating her from her people".

It is only then, Warner said, Persad-Bissessar would return as the "person whom this nation overwhelmingly elected on May, 24, 2010."

"On Monday, no doubt, the nation shall be relieved that the AG's pair of hands have been removed. I look forward to the removal of the other pairs of hands thereby freeing her and allowing her, after some four and one half years, to be the person the country elected her to be," he stated.

http://www.tv6tnt.com/news/Jack-Warner-on-the-firing-of-Ramlogan-and-Griffith-290599251.html

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Sando prince on February 21, 2015, 03:44:36 PM

Warner claims Chag Convention Centre leased to Moonilal’s friend

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-02-21/warner-claims-chag-convention-centre-leased-moonilal’s-friend (http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-02-21/warner-claims-chag-convention-centre-leased-moonilal’s-friend)

Chaguanas West MP Jack Warner claimed yesterday the Government had leased the Chaguaramas Convention Centre to a businessman who is a friend of Housing Minister Dr Roodal Moonilal. Warner was speaking to reporters after yesterday’s sitting of the House of Representatives. He said he attempted to have the issue “put on the record” in Parliament but did not succeed. Warner told reporters the facility was leased for $30 million.

Moonilal denied Warner’s claim in an e-mailed response yesterday. When the question was put to Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar by Warner in Parliament she was unable to give details but promised to provide the required information soon. The House was adjourned to next Friday when debate on a motion of no confidence in House Speaker Wade Mark filed by Warner would commence.

Warner said yesterday he intended to “expose Mark in ways unimaginable.” Warner said Mark had not apologised to him for the controversy over a private motion of no confidence against Finance and the Economy Minister Larry Howai last month which was shot down on the basis of a pending High Court lawsuit.

At that time, Mark said he had been informed by the Judiciary that the matter up for debate was sub-judice. He later had to apologise to the Judiciary for the error and noted that he was really referring to a letter from Howai which stated that he had filed a lawsuit against Warner’s Sunshine newspaper and one of its editors regarding allegations of financial misconduct while he worked at First Citizens bank.

The motion against Mark is not expected to succeed as the Government has the majority in Parliament. Warner said, however, “Outside the House we have the majority.” He said next Friday would be “Jack Warner Day” in Parliament. —Richard Lord


Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Sando prince on March 05, 2015, 10:50:13 PM

Warner claims Chag Convention Centre leased to Moonilal’s friend

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-02-21/warner-claims-chag-convention-centre-leased-moonilal’s-friend (http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-02-21/warner-claims-chag-convention-centre-leased-moonilal’s-friend)

Chaguanas West MP Jack Warner claimed yesterday the Government had leased the Chaguaramas Convention Centre to a businessman who is a friend of Housing Minister Dr Roodal Moonilal. Warner was speaking to reporters after yesterday’s sitting of the House of Representatives. He said he attempted to have the issue “put on the record” in Parliament but did not succeed. Warner told reporters the facility was leased for $30 million.



This is getting more serious

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/PNM-leader-ready-to-march-to-protect-Chaguaramas-Convention-Centre-295272171.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/PNM-leader-ready-to-march-to-protect-Chaguaramas-Convention-Centre-295272171.html)

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on March 22, 2015, 05:06:36 AM
Jack future hangs in the balance
By COREY CONNELLY (NEWSDAY).
Sunday, March 22 2015


He came to the constituency on a wave of popularity, representing, in the minds of those under his jurisdiction, the salve for the ills they had been experiencing over the decades.

Now, almost five years later, Jack Warner’s future as the Member of Parliament for Chaguanas West hangs in the balance, so much so that some constituents, dissatisfied with his leadership, are vowing to return to the fold of the United National Congress (UNC) in a region which has been one of the party’s traditional strongholds.

Some constituents contend that Warner, 72, political leader of the Independent Liberal Party (ILP) has not been representing the constituency as effectively as he did prior to his party’s defeat in the October 21, 2013 Local Government election.

Although the fledgling party had made some headway, it still suffered a crushing blow in the poll and did not gain control of any corporation. The ILP, in essence, failed to build on momentum of its huge win in the Chaguanas West by-election, three months before. For resident Dolly Baldeo, the ILP leader has fallen terribly short of expectations in the constituency.

“Jack Warner fail,” she told Sunday Newsday during an interview at her parlour along Cacandee Road, Felicity.

Expressing disillusionment with Warner’s representation, Baldeo related a personal experience of being turned away from the constituency office last year whilst trying to get assistance with house repairs for one of her children. “He did not help me. He said he can’t help nobody now,” Baldeo said of Warner.

She also accused several staff members at the office of being impolite.

“They don’t know how to treat people and talk to people,” she said, claiming that other constituents also were disenchanted with Warner’s representation.

Baldeo claimed that Chaguanas West residents, during visits to the constituency office, often had to “take a back seat,” to persons from other areas.

She said Warner had not honoured many of his promises to the people.

“When he win the by-election, he said he would send doctors and other medical people to homes and nothing like that has come about. Why is he making promises and cannot fulfil it?” she asked.

Baldeo told Sunday Newsday she and members of her family were once ardent Warner supporters. “Although he has lost the election, we still stuck with him. We used to get sick behind Warner, coming home all 12 midnight and one o’clock in the morning,” she said. Baldeo acknowledged, though, that Warner still had some support in the constituency but could not say how he would fare in the upcoming general election. “I don’t even want to hear about election again,” she said. Baldeo listed inadequate housing, squatting and illegal drug use as some of the problems plaguing the community.

With a general election constitutionally due by September, Chaguanas West will be one of the constituencies to watch.

The ILP, which had its upheavals since entering the political landscape in July 5, 2013, said in a statement last November that it will re-contest the Chaguanas West seat along with 22 other constituencies for the election.

The party has begun its Meet The Constituencies tour, appointing shadow MPs in each of the constituencies it has agreed to contest thus far.

Warner, who beat the UNC’s Khadijah Ameen by more than 7,000 votes in the July 29, 2013 Chaguanas West by-election, is uncertain as to whether he will re-contest the seat. The People’s National Movement (PNM), meanwhile, has selected microbiologist Abbegail Nandalal, 29, as its candidate. Leader of Government Business in the Senate Ganga Singh is tipped to be the UNC’s candidate even though the party’s screening exercise is yet to begin.

At the height of his popularity in 2010, Warner brought home the Chaguanas West seat for the UNC, receiving 18,767 votes. The PNM’s Ronald Heera’s got just 1, 147 votes.

Later, following reports of allegations of wrongdoing in FIFA, the world governing body for football and the release of damning material which was contained in the Sir David Simmons Concacaf Integrity Commission report - Warner gave up both his ministerial portfolio and position as MP.

He subsequently sought a fresh mandate from his Chaguanas West constituents, many of whom had admitted to the possibility that Ameen could have maintained the party’s status quo in the central constituency.

Warner, though, secured an overwhelming victory, garnering 12, 631 votes in comparison to Ameen’s 5, 126 votes. The PNM’s Avinash Singh (now an Opposition senator and the PNM’s candidate for Caroni Central) received just 422 votes. The ILP, though, could not replicate its success of the Chaguanas West by-election on a national level in the Local Government election and was rejected in each corporation even though the party’s presence was felt in terms of the splitting of the votes in the Chaguanas corporation, a traditional UNC corporation. While some blamed Warner’s somewhat laxed representation on a perceived inability to access resources from central government, others chalked up his seeming indifference to an unwillingness to treat with the needs of the people in the aftermath of the ILP’s defeat in the local government election.

In Felicity, an area which had represented the bulk of Warner’s support, Mukesh Salickram contends that while there has been some “rapid enhancement” in Chaguanas West, there has been “no big improvements,” in terms of new projects.

A retired worker of the Couva/Tabaquite Regional Corporation, Salickram believes that Warner’s representation has “diminished to its lowest ebb.”

“When the election date is announced, then they will voice their opinion.”

In fact, he predicted victory for the UNC in the upcoming election.

“The UNC will take the seat because Jack is fragmenting,” he said.

“Plenty Jack supporters rock back and gone UNC but I don’t know what will play off.”

Salickram said an incoming MP will need to focus on completing existing projects, given the falling oil prices.

But for some residents, Warner remains the ultimate representative.

“I would like to see him go back as the candidate,” Angie Ramnath said.

“He was here for Divali and he comes out a gives hampers in December.”

Ramnath said it was Warner and not Kamla Persad-Bissessar, that should have been prime minister in the first place.

“Is he who put her there,” she claimed.

Born and raised in Felicity, Ramnath said Warner had love for the people.

“You could talk to him anywhere. He is never too busy for anything and he is always concerned about what you have to say. As my grandson used to say before the by-election - Jack is the man.”

“Win or no win, we still voting for him,” Ramnath said.

Saying she could not understand how the ILP lost the Local Government election, Ramnath said Warner had many supporters.

“When he coming around, real crowd does turn out,” she said.

Another staunch Warner supporter, who lives on Bachu Kariah Street, also claimed that the Chaguanas West MP still had weight in the constituency but admitted that his popularity had reduced somewhat.

“It is a close call and it is really tipping more to the Partnership side,” he said.

The man argued that the Partnership had “unlimited funds,” which he felt could be used to sway former ILP voters to the UNC and he contended that the quality of Warner’s representation had not dwindled.

UNC chairman Khadijah Ameen, who had unsuccessfully challenged Warner in the Chaguanas West by-election, said the party had been doing its work in the constituency and was confident of regaining the seat in the upcoming general election.

“We have been very active, I have no doubt that Chaguanas West will return to the UNC in 2015,” she told Sunday Newsday.

Ameen said since the by-election, the party’s campaign office, along the Southern Main Road, Charlieville, has remained open to service the needs of constituents.

She said: “The resources of the government’s been reaching to the people through several ministers. We also have a system in the party where senators become caretakers of various constituencies. For instance, Ganga Singh is the caretaker for Chaguanas West.”

Ameen said the constituency experienced much neglect under the PNM.

“We had a lot of work to do in terms of agricultural access roads, infrastructure, repairs to schools,” she said. Adding that the party had also maintained strong social and religious ties through several functioning non-governmental organisations in the constituency.

The UNC’s party groups were also very active, she said.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Bourbon on March 22, 2015, 05:26:54 AM
Not surprising.  All of a sudden he too busy? All of a sudden he can't get things done? All of a sudden the seat may go back Unc? 
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Deeks on March 22, 2015, 05:54:50 AM
His inability to get money from the central government. He no longer has access to the ATM.
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on March 22, 2015, 07:52:45 PM
What balance that going back to the UNC. Crapaud politics they can even send back the chairperson she will win.
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: E-man on March 22, 2015, 10:25:09 PM

She also accused several staff members at the office of being impolite.

“They don’t know how to treat people and talk to people,” she said, claiming that other constituents also were disenchanted with Warner’s representation.

He must have trained his staff to respond 'ask yuh muddah' when people came and asked a question.
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on March 23, 2015, 08:29:11 AM

She also accused several staff members at the office of being impolite.

“They don’t know how to treat people and talk to people,” she said, claiming that other constituents also were disenchanted with Warner’s representation.


 :beermug:
He must have trained his staff to respond 'ask yuh muddah' when people came and asked a question.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on March 26, 2015, 02:21:43 AM
Jack walks out too
By SEAN DOUGLAS (Newsday).


CHAGUANAS West MP Jack Warner stayed in the Lower House after the Opposition’s walkout from yesterday’s no-confidence debate in Opposition Leader, Dr Keith Rowley, but later himself walked out in apparent protest at the limits of the subject matter allowed in the debate.

Warner said the motion was an attempt to demonise Rowley and it had only reached Parliament because Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar had allegedly been “kidnapped” by a Hindu cabal.

Government Chief Whip Dr Roodal Moonilal rose to complain that such a remark violated the standing orders and Education Minister Dr Tim Gopeesingh seated nearby urged, “Ask him (Warner) to withdraw.”

Speaker Wade Mark advised Warner to try to link his speech to the substantive motion before the House.

Warner replied, “Mr Speaker, you’d said the gloves are off.”

Mark responded, “It is a substantive motion against the Member for Diego Martin West. All gloves are off with respect to that Member, but not other Members. The only person under the spotlight is the Leader of the Opposition.”

Warner asked if he could speak about other MPs, to which Mark advised him to stay within the standing orders.

Warner stated, “In the Bible the shortest verse is ‘Jesus wept’. This shall now go down as my shortest contribution. I now weep, Mr Speaker.”

He took his seat, packed his briefcase and left the chamber.

Earlier, Warner had said the motion was “meaningless and has no substance”, yet the Government had dropped all the other affairs of the country to go to Parliament to debate it. “There are so many other pressing issues,” he chided. “Nothing that is said here could not have been said on a platform outside.”

Warner said while the outcome of any vote on the motion would be won by the weight of Government numbers, what would happen next?

Asking if the Government side would try to fire Rowley as Opposition Leader, Warner said Government MPs had not appointed him and so could not move him. He said Opposition MPs had chosen Rowley as leader.

“To come here with this motion is an abuse of parliamentary time,” he chided the Government. “This has to be an abuse, a waste of Parliament’s time and resources”. The motion is “frivolous in the extreme,” he hit.

Warner asked aloud who was so badly advising the PM, and suggested she may have enemies within her Government. They should instead be debating issues such as last Monday’s road gridlock, and the issues of education, health, crime and the economy. Earlier Warner had accused St Augustine MP Prakash Ramadhar of blind loyalty to the Government, but was told by the Speaker, “Do not reflect on a Member’s character.”

Warner suggested the Prime Minister had not accepted an explanation on the handling of a credit card by Minister in the Ministry of the People, Vernella Alleyne-Toppin, repeated in the House earlier.

Continuing on Alleyne-Toppin, he said it was difficult to watch an MP denigrate another MP, in a case for which no criminal charges were ever laid and for which there exists no mug-shot nor fingerprints. By contrast he said persons today sit as Ministers who had once been arrested. He alleged Government has abandoned its job to engage in tunnel-vision electioneering.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Bourbon on March 26, 2015, 04:58:11 AM
Jack walks out too
By SEAN DOUGLAS (Newsday).




Mark responded, “It is a substantive motion against the Member for Diego Martin West. All gloves are off with respect to that Member, but not other Members. The only person under the spotlight is the Leader of the Opposition.”

Earlier Warner had accused St Augustine MP Prakash Ramadhar of blind loyalty to the Government, but was told by the Speaker, “Do not reflect on a Member’s character.”






It good for all of we.
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Deeks on March 26, 2015, 05:28:52 AM
Asking if the Government side would try to fire Rowley as Opposition Leader, Warner said Government MPs had not appointed him and so could not move him. He said Opposition MPs had chosen Rowley as leader.

“To come here with this motion is an abuse of parliamentary time,” he chided the Government. “This has to be an abuse, a waste of Parliament’s time and resources”. The motion is “frivolous in the extreme,” he hit.


Damn, this govt making Jack look like "the man of the people".
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Socapro on March 26, 2015, 06:15:20 AM
Asking if the Government side would try to fire Rowley as Opposition Leader, Warner said Government MPs had not appointed him and so could not move him. He said Opposition MPs had chosen Rowley as leader.

“To come here with this motion is an abuse of parliamentary time,” he chided the Government. “This has to be an abuse, a waste of Parliament’s time and resources”. The motion is “frivolous in the extreme,” he hit.


Damn, this govt making Jack look like "the man of the people".

 :beermug:
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on March 26, 2015, 08:29:05 PM
Asking if the Government side would try to fire Rowley as Opposition Leader, Warner said Government MPs had not appointed him and so could not move him. He said Opposition MPs had chosen Rowley as leader.

“To come here with this motion is an abuse of parliamentary time,” he chided the Government. “This has to be an abuse, a waste of Parliament’s time and resources”. The motion is “frivolous in the extreme,” he hit.


Damn, this govt making Jack look like "the man of the people".

You know things bad when Jack is the voice of reason.
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on March 29, 2015, 06:26:58 AM
Code of conduct doesn’t stop ‘dirty political games’
By Renuka Singh (Guardian).


Despite political parties having twice signed the Code of Ethical Political Conduct, their war of words has been marked by dirty political games in the lead-up to the 2015 general election. The code, which sets out to regulate the behaviour of political parties, was signed last September and again on Wednesday but has done little to stem the venom. As the mudslinging reached a new level, one MP is forced to defend himself in the face of accusations that, if proven, could lead to criminal charges. While another is promising to resign if allegations against him are found to be true.

Independent Liberal Party leader Jack Warner found himself on the defensive after a video recording was produced by the People’s National Movement in which Roselyn Alleyne, mother of Dr Keith Rowley’s son Garth Alleyne, stated that she was offered money to say Rowley raped her years ago. In the video, though certain names were edited out,  Warner could hear what sounded like his name being called as the alleged financier willing to pay Alleyne for her testimony against Rowley. Warner immediately distanced himself from the allegation.

Warner: It wasn’t me

 Warner said he did not make any financial offer to Alleyne. Warner could hear what sounded like his name being featured in the video recording of Alleyne refuting allegations that she was raped by Rowley some 46 years ago. The video was released by the PNM Women’s League to defend Rowley against allegations made by Minister in the Ministry of the People and Social Development, Vernella Alleyne-Toppin, during a motion of censure debate brought against Rowley last Wednesday.

Though Alleyne-Toppin has since offered a qualified apology, the PNM continues to call for her resignation. In the video recording, Alleyne (Roselyn) claimed a “very close relative” and Alleyne-Toppin visited her family offering money for her to sign an affidavit in which it was claimed that she was attacked by Rowley and it resulted in the birth of his son. There was an attempt to edit out Warner’s name, but Alleyne (Roselyn) could be heard saying that she was told (what sounded like) Warner had money and was willing to pay.

This, Warner said, is “outrageous” and “dirty games” being played in the political arena. “Imagine this recording was in August 2014. I had already left that Government and not only had my own party but had already won the Chaguanas West seat with my own party. Why in God’s name would they be using my name?” Warner said. Warner said he also had an idea of who was the real “money man” behind the offer.

“Like Garth Alleyne said, this tells you a lot about the character of the people using my name in this,” Warner said. The Sunday Guardian understands that the people named in the seven-minute recording could face charges of criminal libel. One PNM insider confirmed that the party was “not letting this end here” and while they did not want to distract the country from the important national issues, the party was not prepared to let matters be swept under the rug.

Moonilal: Rowley’s accusations scandalous, irresponsible

Meanwhile, another MP facing allegations on the campaign platform, Housing Minister Dr Roodal Moonilal, is seeking to eradicate all speculation that he is linked to the construction and ownership of a mall in the Netherlands. In a text interview with the Sunday Guardian on Thursday, Moonilal was so confident of having no connection to the mall that he promised to “resign from all public offices” if Rowley could prove a link.

Moonilal has come under fire after it was alleged that he constructed and owned a mall in the Netherlands. “I am willing to resign from all public offices if Rowley can find five per cent truth in such scandalous and irresponsible accusations,” Moonilal said. He said the long-running rumour was started by Independent Liberal Party chairman Jack Warner and he challenged both Warner and the PNM to make the accusations in public. “They take basket from Jack and can never say that in public,” Moonilal said.

“This proves my case that Rowley is unfit for high office by making such allegations without not even fabricated evidence. How can we trust a man who accuses people without even the lies to back it up?” he said. Moonilal also said he could not possibly afford a mall since he was trying to purchase an executive townhouse in Woodbrook and could not afford that.

Analyst: It could get better if they adhere to Code of conduct

One political analyst, Bishnu Ragoonath, said yesterday the political landscape could improve if the politicians adhered to the Code of Ethical Conduct. After the sequence of events following Alleyne-Toppin’s debate contribution last Wednesday, including her qualified apology and the video recording of Rowley’s son and the son’s mother, Ragoonath said things might become more “restrained.”

“If they adhere to the Code of Ethics they have to restrain themselves and their party members,” Ragoonath said. Ragoonath said in his opinion, Alleyne-Toppin’s apology was “insufficient” considering the allegations she made against Rowley. “But whether genuine or not an apology came in a short time after the statement,” he said. Ragoonath does not think this latest political battle would have an impact on the general election, but only because the actual election is some months away. “I’m sure other issues are coming and in the final weeks this may be forgotten,” he said.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on May 01, 2015, 02:20:51 AM
Red card for Jack
By AZARD ALI (Newsday).


JACK WARNER was yesterday condemned by a High Court judge who said that the Independent Liberal Party political leader should be investigated by the Integrity Commission (IC).

Justice Frank Seepersad made the pronouncement that Warner, when he was a Minister in the People’s Partnership, was given free secretarial services by a man who was then given a contract by the Local Organising Committee (LOC) South Africa 2010 Ltd in the staging of the Women’s Under 17 World cup tournament. The LOC was chaired by Warner.

The man, Immamudin Baksh and his company — Graphix Advantage Ltd (GAL) sued the Football Federation (TTFF), Warner and LOC, for $1.2 million after he was not paid. On the issue of Baksh providing free secretarial services for Warner who at the tine was Minister of Works and Infrastructure, Justice Seepersad yesterday said, “Inappropriate behaviour in public office has to be condemned and cannot be tolerated.”

The LOC, which at the time was chaired by Warner, was established by the TTFF — which at the time had as its Special Adviser Jack Warner — for the sole purpose of staging the World Cup tournament in TT. The LOC was yesterday ordered by Seepersad to pay GAL $1.2. GAL was contracted by the LOC to erect signs, posters and banners at stadiums and the airport, for hosting of the tournament.

The judge found that more than the fact that Baksh’s GAL was not paid $1.2 million, he worked free of charge for Warner who was a member of the Government. Such free services to a member of the executive arm of government, the judge added, warrants an investigation by the IC. At the trial, both Warner and Baksh testified.

In a nine-page judgment yesterday, Seepersad stated that LOC was a company set up by TTFF solely for organising the women’s World Cup. Baksh was working for Warner as his secretary. The PP Government came into power in May 2010 and Baksh claimed that in August of that year, it was Warner who asked Baksh to provide banners and posters at all stadia in the country for the event. Baksh stated that Warner told him, “I am LOC!”

Warner contended, however, that it was the LOC who contracted Baksh’s GAL as evidenced by invoices and delivery notes addressed to the LOC. During the trial, Warner was cross-examined by Senior Counsel Hendrickson Seunath who represented GAL. Attorney Keith Scotland and Owen Hinds Jr represented the LOC and Warner respectively.

In his judgment, Seepersad found that given Warner’s reputation in football and his relationship with Baksh who worked for him gratuitously (free), it could not be said that he (Warner) did not enter into a contract with Baksh.

Seepersad said the court felt compelled to voice its alarm at the employment arrangement between Baksh and Warner. Justice Seepersad said public officers must jealously guard the integrity of their office and the acceptance of gratuitous labour by holders of high office, is unacceptable.

“Such arrangements undermine the integrity and independence of the office,” Justice Seepersad said. “A perception is thereby created that such arrangements are reflective of a situation where the provider of gratuitous service expects and/or receives remuneration in other unconventional ways.”

The judge did not order Warner to pay Baksh but instead ordered the TTFF and LOC, to pay the $1,262,413.19, with interest. The Integrity Commission last month requested that President Anthony Carmona appoint a tribunal to investigate Warner’s income, assets and liabilities, by virtue of him being a former minister and currently a Member of Parliament.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Deeks on May 01, 2015, 05:39:27 AM
The judge did not order Warner to pay Baksh but instead ordered the TTFF and LOC, to pay the $1,262,413.19, with interest.

So, is Tim Kee and company now have to pay that? Grossly unfair. But..... he is TTFF/TTFA now!!!
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: kounty on May 01, 2015, 09:20:21 AM
The judge did not order Warner to pay Baksh but instead ordered the TTFF and LOC, to pay the $1,262,413.19, with interest.

So, is Tim Kee and company now have to pay that? Grossly unfair. But..... he is TTFF/TTFA now!!!
No that is fair, TTFF had to advertise to make money on the cup, so that is a normal expense. The unfairness only come in if they could track the returns / profits etc that somehow disappear.
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Deeks on May 01, 2015, 09:42:57 AM
unfairness only come in if they could track the returns / profits etc that somehow disappear.


Kounty, how long you around. " the returns / profits etc that somehow disappear". You honestly feel they will somehow find what disappeared. They will set up another 6 month Commission to find out what Jack did with the money. Then they will delay another 6 months. Then it will be a year before Moscow!!!
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on May 05, 2015, 01:58:52 AM
JACK LYING ON ME
By JADA LOUTOO (Newsday).
Tuesday, May 5 2015


FORMER Attorney General Anand Ramlogan has accused his former Cabinet colleague Jack Warner of fabricating lies against him to defend defamatory statements of the Independent Liberal Party (ILP) political leader at a political meeting at Endeavour, Chaguanas, two years ago.

Ramlogan has filed a defamation claim against Warner for statements allegedly made on the hustings during the ILP’s local government election campaign. At the meeting held on October 19, 2013, Warner alleged that the then AG was the owner of over 51 properties, “some of them in his brother’s name.”

Warner also claimed Ramlogan gave permission for British solicitor Ackbar Ali to take care of his business. The ILP’s leader has admitted he made the statements after they were told to him by Ramlogan at a meeting of state boards at the Diplomatic Centre, chaired by Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar, one year earlier.

According to Warner, Ramlogan informed the prime minister of the properties he acquired in response to a question she asked. Ramlogan has denied having any conversation with his former Cabinet colleague, saying he did not trust Warner to discuss his personal affairs with him.

Testifying at the trial currently underway in the Port-of-Spain Civil Court, before Justice Robin Mohammed, Ramlogan insisted Warner’s claim that he told him he was the owner of 51 properties was “completely false” and a “fabrication.”

“I have no reason to lie. No such conversation had taken place,” Ramlogan insisted. Pressed again by Warner’s attorney Keith Scotland about the alleged conversation on the ownership of the properties, the former attorney general flippantly said he wished he was the owner of 51 properties. “Then I would not be here,” he said. Ramlogan said as Cabinet colleagues, he and Warner would only speak of matters relating to the government or politics as they did not share a close relationship.

Ramlogan, in response to questions by Scotland, admitted that while Warner did not expressly accuse him of corruption or used the words “ill gotten means,” the meaning of what was said on the platform drew that inescapable conclusion.

He said his private law practice, prior to him taking up office as attorney general in 2010, was thriving financially. He said he did own substantial properties and rightly so but Warner’s claims were made in malice and were untrue.

During his cross-examination of the former AG, Scotland went through every paragraph of his witness statement, and asserted that his client made no direct reference to Ramlogan being corrupt and the two paragraphs complained of were taken out of a larger address as the leader of a political party, who also spoke of national and political issues.

Warner is using the principles of truth, fair comment and absolute privilege to defend the statements he made on the hustings, saying he was justified in doing so as he sought to highlight the issue. Scotland also unsuccessfully attempted to refer to Ramlogan’s resignation from Government in February, saying it went to character evidence.

But lead counsel for Ramlogan, Avory Sinanan, SC, argued that his client’s resignation had no relevance to what occurred in October 2013, when it is alleged Warner made defamatory statements during an ILP political meeting at Endeavour, Chaguanas.

Ramlogan resigned after being accused of witness tampering in a defamation lawsuit he filed against Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley. Police Complaints’ Authority director David West has alleged Ramlogan called him and sought to have him withdraw the witness statement he filed in Rowley’s defence. An investigation has since been launched by the Acting Commissioner of Police.

Sinanan reminded the court that the investigation was ongoing and Warner’s defence team could not use the allegations, which are yet to be proven, to impugn Ramlogan’s character.

Sinanan’s objection was upheld.

Earlier, in his opening address, Ramlogan’s attorney said the onus was on Warner to establish the truth of the allegations he made on the platform.

“What is set out in his defence is a far cry from what was said on the platform,” Sinanan said, adding that it was disingenuous for Warner to say he relied on what Ramlogan told him to justify what he said at the political meeting in Endeavour. “We have denied having any conversation with the defendant,” Sinanan said. He said the claim by the ILP leader was his machination drafted to enhance his political image and that of his party.

“The statements were distorted and entirely false,” he said. Sinanan contended that Warner could not use statements he alleged were told to him by Ramlogan to prove his case, but needed direct corroborating evidence.

He said the court had to pronounce on the bonafides of Warner’s defence but only if he provided credible evidence. It is the duty of the court to determine if the statements were defamatory or if any of his defences will exonerate him from culpability.

“The more serious the allegations the more cogent the evidence you have to bring to prove your statements,” Sinanan said. The trial continues today when Warner will testify after his attorney delivers his opening address. Also representing Ramlogan are Kelvin Ramkissoon, Gerald Ramdeen and Varun Debideen while Asha Watkins-Montserrin and Jacqueline Chang appear for Warner.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on May 06, 2015, 01:59:29 AM
I did not trust Warner with my personal info
By Derek Achong (Guardian)


Ramlogan at defamation lawsuit:

Former attorney general Anand Ramlogan testified in court yesterday about his real estate investments, saying he bought four separate properties all funded from his private practice and all were acquired before he accepted the role as a government minister in May 2010.

Ramlogan was giving evidence in support of a defamation lawsuit he brought against his one-time Cabinet colleague Jack Warner who claimed at a public meeting that former attorney general acquired 51 properties during his tenure.

In his lengthy testimony which spanned more than five hours, Ramlogan repeatedly stated that Warner’s claims were not true.

“That is completely false I have no reason to lie. If I did I would not be here,” Ramlogan said.

Throughout the hearing before Justice Robin Mohammed, at the Hall of Justice, Port-of-Spain. Ramlogan refrained from making eye contact with Warner who was seated at the opposite end of the courtroom.

Warner resigned in April 2013 over allegations of bribery related to his role as then vice-president of Fifa. Warner went on to form a political party, the Independent Liberal Party (ILP), and retained his Chaguanas West seat in a by-election.

Ramlogan resigned in February after claims of witness tampering were made by director of the Police Complaints Authority David West. Police are still investigating that matter.

As he sought to prove Warner’s claims, which were made at a ILP public meeting in 2013 had a factual basis, his lawyer Keith Scotland alleged that Warner had obtained the information through private conversations with Ramlogan.

Ramlogan categorically denied that as he said: “We would discuss matters related to the Government and the political party. I cannot say I trusted Warner enough to discuss my personal affairs with him. That kind of relationship did not exist.”

While he admitted his client’s allegations painted Ramlogan in a negative light, Scotland claimed Warner was justified as it was made while he was commenting on issues of national importance as the leader of a “major” political party.

“I would not describe it like as that,” Ramlogan said as he joked about the size of the ILP’s support base.

Moving away from the size of Ramlogan’s alleged property portfolio described by Warner, Scotland quizzed Ramlogan on his ability to purchase the four properties which he admitted he owned in the lawsuit.

“You have acknowledged you own some substantial properties. Do you agree that you can’t afford to buy all of them on a minister’s salary?” Scotland asked.

Ramlogan said: “Collectively no but individually yes.” He then claimed that all the properties he owned were purchased before his stint as AG and using money he earned from his private legal practice.

Scotland drew an objection from Ramlogan’s legal team as he attempted to question him on allegations of witness tampering.

“That is totally irrelevant. What occurred after October 2013 has no bearing in this case. He is seeking to impugn the reputation of this man,” Senior Counsel Avory Sinanan quipped.

Justice Mohammed agreed as he barred Scotland from touching on the topic again.

Warner was expected to testify after Ramlogan but he had to leave the hearing early to attend the funeral of ILP’s Tobago regional co-ordinator Lionel Coker, who died last week.

Ramlogan is also being represented by Kelvin Ramkisson, Gerald Ramdeen and Varun Debideen.

The trial continues this morning.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on May 06, 2015, 02:06:32 AM
Jack fights for ‘not’
By JADA LOUTOO
Wednesday, May 6 2015


INDEPENDENT Liberal Party (ILP) political leader Jack Warner did not defame former attorney general Anand Ramlogan when he spoke of the latter’s property investments and relationship with a British solicitor. Warner was justified when he shared the information on a political platform.

Warner is contending that when he made the comments in October 2013, it was not with the intention to harass his former Cabinet colleague, but was fair comment made in good faith without malice.

Although this is Warner’s defence on paper, he was unable to be cross-examined by Ramlogan’s lead counsel Avory Sinanan SC, yesterday. Warner spent less than five minutes after being called to the witness box; thanked presiding judge Robin Mohammed for granting him permission to attend the funeral of ILP Tobago coordinator Lionel Coker on Monday, swore on the Bible to tell the truth and said he wanted to include the word “not,” which had been omitted in paragraph 22 of his witness statement, to which Sinanan objected.

Ramlogan’s lead counsel said Warner could not now include that word and should have filed a supplemental witness statement. The former government minister sat outside the courtroom in the Port-of-Spain High Court, as attorneys for both sides argued for and against Warner being allowed to include the word “not.”

Mohammed eventually ruled that allowing Warner to make the correction would do no damage to Ramlogan’s case. “I do not think it is so grave that it cannot be corrected on cross examination,” Mohammed said, before adjourning the matter to May 26.

Warner’s attorney Keith Scotland, in his opening address, said his client would prove that he was justified when he claimed Ramlogan was the owner of 51 properties in TT and spoke of the former AG’s relationship with British solicitor Ackbar Ali on October 19, 2013, while addressing supporters at a meeting at Endeavor, Chaguanas, in the run-up to the Local Government Elections.

Scotland told the judge he must link the words complained of to the wider picture as it was only two paragraphs of an 11-page speech. Warner is using the principles of justification, fair comment and qualified privilege to defend the statements he made on the hustings, saying it was what was told to him by Ramlogan during conversations they had on two occasions.

According to Scotland, it was fair comment as there was no malice intended by the ILP leader and the words were uttered in honesty as he expressed his opinions on matters of public interest.

To further bolster his client’s defence that the words spoken were not defamatory, Scotland insisted it was covered by qualified privilege since it was said days before one of the more significant elections in TT. The former attorney general is claiming damages and exemplary damages. He is represented by Sinanan, Kelvin Ramkissoon, Gerald Ramdeen and Varun Debideen while Asha Watkins-Montserrin and Jacqueline Chang also appear for Warner.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Sando prince on May 27, 2015, 01:55:04 AM
Well Jack under some REAL pressure


Quote

FIFA Officials Arrested on Corruption Charges; Blatter Isn’t Among Them

The law enforcement official said the soccer officials charged are Jeffrey Webb, Eugenio Figueredo, Jack Warner, Eduardo Li, Julio Rocha, Costas Takkas, Rafael Esquivel, José Maria Marin and Nicolás Leoz.

Charges were also expected against the sports-marketing executives Alejandro Burzaco, Aaron Davidson, Hugo Jinkis and Mariano Jinkis. Authorities also charged José Margulies as an intermediary who facilitated illegal payments

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/27/sports/soccer/fifa-officials-face-corruption-charges-in-us.html?smid=tw-bna&_r=1 (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/27/sports/soccer/fifa-officials-face-corruption-charges-in-us.html?smid=tw-bna&_r=1)
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on May 27, 2015, 02:00:53 AM
Warner kept quiet about corruption.
By Derek Achong (Guardian).


Independent Liberal Party (ILP) leader Jack Warner has testified that he turned a blind eye to apparent corrupt practices of his former cabinet colleagues while serving as a government minister.

Warner was testifying before Justice Robin Mohammed in the Port-of-Spain High Court, in his defence against a defamation lawsuit brought against him by former attorney general Anand Ramlogan, SC.

In cross-examining Warner, Ramlogan’s lawyer Avory Sinanan, SC, repeatedly asked Warner why he chose to make allegations against Ramlogan only after he broke his ties with the People’s Partnership coalition Government in 2013.

“Was it convenient for you to stay quiet?” Sinanan asked as he sought to challenge Warner’s defence to the lawsuit, namely, that he had a duty to inform the public of questionable government activity.

“It was prudent. There is a difference,” Warner responded.

Sinanan: “Is that not the height of opportunism?”

Warner: “I totally disagree with you.”

Sinanan: “You fabricated these statements in an effort to get political mileage.”

Warner: “No, sir. It was for the good of the country.”

Warner also repeatedly denied he had any animosity towards the former attorney general, saying the controversial statement he was being sued for related only to Ramlogan’s conduct in the run-up to the 2013 Local Government election.

Even as Ramlogan’s lawyers confronted him with excerpts of the statement made at an ILP meeting in October 2013 in which he described Ramlogan as “scandalous and dangerous,” Warner reiterated that he had no malice towards Ramlogan.

“Do you think he (Ramlogan) is fit for public office and for the position of attorney general?” Sinanan asked.

“Even up to today,” Warner said. His responses appeared to have caught Ramlogan off guard, who was smirking as he listened to Warner’s evidence in the courtroom.

“He is my friend of 20 years. Our friendship has waned but I still hold him in high esteem,” Warner said.

Ramlogan’s lawsuit centres around a statement made by Warner alleging that Ramlogan had acquired a significant property portfolio by corrupt means during his stint as AG.

Warner has contended that his claims, which he believed to be true at the time, were based on private conversations with Ramlogan. Ramlogan has provided evidence that he owns only four properties and he denies ever confiding in Warner.

Warner, who served in both Ministries of Works and Transport and National Security, resigned in April 2013 over allegations of bribery related to his role as then vice-president of Fifa. Warner went on to form his own political party, ILP, and retained his Chaguanas West seat in a by-election.

Ramlogan resigned in February after claims of witness tampering were made by Director of the Police Complaints Authority David West in relation to a separate defamation lawsuit against Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley. Police are still investigating that matter.

Ramlogan is also being represented by Kelvin Ramkisson, Gerald Ramdeen and Varun Debideen. Warner is being represented by Keith Scotland.

Mohammed is expected to deliver his judgement in the case on July 30.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on May 27, 2015, 02:03:30 AM
SAINT JACK
By JADA LOUTOO (Newsday).
Wednesday, May 27 2015


INDEPENDENT Liberal Party (ILP) leader Jack Warner yesterday said it was not prudent for him to expose corruption while he was a member of the Kamla Persad-Bissessar-led Cabinet.

The former senior minister in the People’s Partnership (PP) Government — holding the ministerial posts of Works and Infrastructure and then National Security before his resignation in April 2013 — was testifying in his defence at the trial of a libel lawsuit filed against him by his PP former colleague, former Attorney General Anand Ramlogan SC.

Under cross examination by Ramlogan’s lead counsel Avory Sinanan SC, Warner said although it was his duty as a Member of Parliament to expose corruption, he did nothing from 2010, when he was made a minister in the PP government, to 2013, when he mounted a political platform as leader of the then newly-formed ILP, addressing supporters at a meeting in Endeavour, Chaguanas, in the run-up to the local government elections.

Warner said, in his defence, it would not have been convenient to speak out while a member of the government and at that time it was prudent for him to remain silent.

“As long as you and Anand Ramlogan remained in the Cabinet this duty (to expose corruption) did not arise. Then all of a sudden you turn into Saint Jack...‘campaign crusader’,” Sinanan accused the Chaguanas West MP.

Warner, the first sitting MP in recent times, to testify at a trial in which he is party, spent the greater part of the day yesterday testifying on the contents of the speech he gave on October 19, 2013.

He was not only asked about his references to the former AG, but also to the Prime Minister and certain Cabinet members whom he said were political liabilities. In his October 19 address, Warner spoke of Ramlogan’s property investments and relationship with British solicitor Akbar Ali.

He insisted he never defamed Ramlogan, but was justified when he shared the information on the political platform.

Justice Robin Mohammed, who is presiding over the lawsuit, is expected to give his decision on July 30, at the close of the law term.

In his cross examination, Sinanan accused the ILP leader of engaging in “pure and simple naked politics” and of making the offending statements about the former Attorney General to gain political mileage and get rid of Ramlogan.

In reply, Warner insisted he never alleged impropriety on Ramlogan’s part as it related to his real estate investments, but said the comments he made were relative to the campaign and directed at supporters to go out and vote for the ILP at the local government polls.

Warner admitted when he said Ramlogan was the owner of 51 properties he did not qualify his statement to suggest that there was nothing wrong for someone to own 51 properties or that the former AG could have purchased said properties prior to entering public office.

According to Warner, he left it up to his audience to form their own judgement on what he said, but maintained that he never said Ramlogan purchased the real estate while as a minister. The former government minister denied he was ‘reckless’ by not qualifying his statement.

He said it was Ramlogan who shared the information about his property investments in conversations on two occasions, and what he said on the platform was what he was told “nothing more, nothing less.”

Warner also said he never asked nor did Ramlogan tell him how he came to own 51 properties, which according to the ILP leader were vested in the name of the former AG’s brother.

Asked whether he was alleging that the former Attorney General breached the integrity of his office and preferred private gain over public service, Warner said that was not his intent.

He insisted he never equated Ramlogan’s conduct to criminal or legal breaches, although he said he questioned Ramlogan’s propriety when he was told of the latter’s property investments. Warner further testified that his suspicions were aroused when it was mentioned that the properties were being held in Ramlogan’s brother’s name.

But the former minister maintained that Ramlogan was his friend for more than two decades, and he held him in high esteem. Warner even said he believed Ramlogan to be fit for the Office of the Attorney General and still is.

He said any bad behaviour on the part of anyone, he would look at it to be the exception from the norm. Warner is using the principles of justification, fair comment and qualified privilege to defend the statements he made on the hustings.

Ramlogan has denied speaking with Warner about his personal life and of his ownership of real estate or of his relationship with Ali. He said while the two were former Cabinet colleagues, he did not trust Warner to divulge such information to him. Ramlogan contends the statements were distorted and entirely false and were said to enhance his political image and that of his party.

The former attorney general is claiming damages and exemplary damages. He is represented by Sinanan, Kelvin Ramkissoon, Gerald Ramdeen and Varun Debideen while Asha Watkins- Montserrin and Jacqueline Chang also appear for Warner.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Deeks on May 27, 2015, 05:55:13 AM
Well, Mr. Jack....... What do have to say now.
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on May 27, 2015, 08:03:47 AM
Well, Mr. Jack....... What do have to say now.

GOOD QUESTION
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on May 27, 2015, 08:28:48 AM
Nine FIFA Officials and Five Corporate Executives Indicted for Racketeering Conspiracy and Corruption.
US Department of Justice Release.


The Defendants Include Two Current FIFA Vice Presidents and the Current and Former Presidents of the Confederation of North, Central American and Caribbean Association Football (CONCACAF); Seven Defendants Arrested Overseas; Guilty Pleas for Four Individual Defendants and Two Corporate Defendants Also Unsealed

A 47-count indictment was unsealed early this morning in federal court in Brooklyn, New York, charging 14 defendants with racketeering, wire fraud and money laundering conspiracies, among other offenses, in connection with the defendants’ participation in a 24-year scheme to enrich themselves through the corruption of international soccer.  The guilty pleas of four individual defendants and two corporate defendants were also unsealed today.

The defendants charged in the indictment include high-ranking officials of the Fédération Internationale de Football Association (FIFA), the organization responsible for the regulation and promotion of soccer worldwide, as well as leading officials of other soccer governing bodies that operate under the FIFA umbrella.  Jeffrey Webb and Jack Warner – the current and former presidents of CONCACAF, the continental confederation under FIFA headquartered in the United States – are among the soccer officials charged with racketeering and bribery offenses.  The defendants also include U.S. and South American sports marketing executives who are alleged to have systematically paid and agreed to pay well over $150 million in bribes and kickbacks to obtain lucrative media and marketing rights to international soccer tournaments.

The charges were announced by Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch, Acting U.S. Attorney Kelly T. Currie of the Eastern District of New York, Director James B. Comey of the FBI, Assistant Director in Charge Diego W. Rodriguez of the FBI’s New York Field Office, Chief Richard Weber of the Internal Revenue Service-Criminal Investigation (IRS-CI) and Special Agent in Charge Erick Martinez of the IRS-CI’s Los Angeles Field Office.

Also earlier this morning, Swiss authorities in Zurich arrested seven of the defendants charged in the indictment, the defendants Jeffrey Webb, Eduardo Li, Julio Rocha, Costas Takkas, Eugenio Figueredo, Rafael Esquivel and José Maria Marin, at the request of the United States.  Also this morning, a search warrant is being executed at CONCACAF headquarters in Miami, Florida.

The guilty pleas of the four individual and two corporate defendants that were also unsealed today include the guilty pleas of Charles Blazer, the long-serving former general secretary of CONCACAF and former U.S. representative on the FIFA executive committee; José Hawilla, the owner and founder of the Traffic Group, a multinational sports marketing conglomerate headquartered in Brazil; and two of Hawilla’s companies, Traffic Sports International Inc. and Traffic Sports USA Inc., which is based in Florida.

“The indictment alleges corruption that is rampant, systemic, and deep-rooted both abroad and here in the United States,” said Attorney General Lynch.  “It spans at least two generations of soccer officials who, as alleged, have abused their positions of trust to acquire millions of dollars in bribes and kickbacks.  And it has profoundly harmed a multitude of victims, from the youth leagues and developing countries that should benefit from the revenue generated by the commercial rights these organizations hold, to the fans at home and throughout the world whose support for the game makes those rights valuable.  Today’s action makes clear that this Department of Justice intends to end any such corrupt practices, to root out misconduct, and to bring wrongdoers to justice – and we look forward to continuing to work with other countries in this effort.”

Attorney General Lynch extended her grateful appreciation to the authorities of the government of Switzerland, as well as several other international partners, for their outstanding assistance in this investigation.

“Today’s announcement should send a message that enough is enough,” said Acting U.S. Attorney Currie.  “After decades of what the indictment alleges to be brazen corruption, organized international soccer needs a new start – a new chance for its governing institutions to provide honest oversight and support of a sport that is beloved across the world, increasingly so here in the United States.  Let me be clear: this indictment is not the final chapter in our investigation.” 

Acting U.S. Attorney Currie extended his thanks to the agents, analysts and other investigative personnel with the FBI New York Eurasian Joint Organized Crime Squad and the IRS-CI Los Angeles Field Office, as well as their colleagues abroad, for their tremendous effort in this case.

“As charged in the indictment, the defendants fostered a culture of corruption and greed that created an uneven playing field for the biggest sport in the world,” said Director Comey.  “Undisclosed and illegal payments, kickbacks, and bribes became a way of doing business at FIFA.  I want to commend the investigators and prosecutors around the world who have pursued this case so diligently, for so many years.”

“When leaders in an organization resort to cheating the very members that they are supposed to represent, they must be held accountable,” said Chief Weber.  “Corruption, tax evasion and money laundering are certainly not the cornerstones of any successful business.  Whether you call it soccer or football, the fans, players and sponsors around the world who love this game should not have to worry about officials corrupting their sport.  This case isn't about soccer, it is about fairness and following the law.  IRS-CI will continue to investigate financial crimes and follow the money wherever it may lead around the world, leveling the playing field for those who obey the law.”

The charges in the indictment are merely allegations, and the defendants are presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty.

The Enterprise

FIFA is composed of 209 member associations, each representing organized soccer in a particular nation or territory, including the United States and four of its overseas territories.  FIFA also recognizes six continental confederations that assist it in governing soccer in different regions of the world.  The U.S. Soccer Federation is one of 41 member associations of the confederation known as CONCACAF, which has been headquartered in the United States throughout the period charged in the indictment.  The South American confederation, called CONMEBOL, is also a focus of the indictment.

As alleged in the indictment, FIFA and its six continental confederations, together with affiliated regional federations, national member associations and sports marketing companies, constitute an enterprise of legal entities associated in fact for purposes of the federal racketeering laws.  The principal – and entirely legitimate – purpose of the enterprise is to regulate and promote the sport of soccer worldwide.

As alleged in the indictment, one key way the enterprise derives revenue is to commercialize the media and marketing rights associated with soccer events and tournaments.  The organizing entity that owns those rights – as FIFA and CONCACAF do with respect to the World Cup and Gold Cup, their respective flagship tournaments – sells them to sports marketing companies, often through multi-year contracts covering multiple editions of the tournaments.  The sports marketing companies, in turn, sell the rights downstream to TV and radio broadcast networks, major corporate sponsors and other sub-licensees who want to broadcast the matches or promote their brands.  The revenue generated from these contracts is substantial: according to FIFA, 70% of its $5.7 billion in total revenues between 2011 and 2014 was attributable to the sale of TV and marketing rights to the 2014 World Cup.

The Racketeering Conspiracy

The indictment alleges that, between 1991 and the present, the defendants and their co-conspirators corrupted the enterprise by engaging in various criminal activities, including fraud, bribery and money laundering.  Two generations of soccer officials abused their positions of trust for personal gain, frequently through an alliance with unscrupulous sports marketing executives who shut out competitors and kept highly lucrative contracts for themselves through the systematic payment of bribes and kickbacks.  All told, the soccer officials are charged with conspiring to solicit and receive well over $150 million in bribes and kickbacks in exchange for their official support of the sports marketing executives who agreed to make the unlawful payments.

Most of the schemes alleged in the indictment relate to the solicitation and receipt of bribes and kickbacks by soccer officials from sports marketing executives in connection with the commercialization of the media and marketing rights associated with various soccer matches and tournaments, including FIFA World Cup qualifiers in the CONCACAF region, the CONCACAF Gold Cup, the CONCACAF Champions League, the jointly organized CONMEBOL/CONCACAF Copa América Centenario, the CONMEBOL Copa América, the CONMEBOL Copa Libertadores and the Copa do Brasil, which is organized by the Brazilian national soccer federation (CBF).  Other alleged schemes relate to the payment and receipt of bribes and kickbacks in connection with the sponsorship of CBF by a major U.S. sportswear company, the selection of the host country for the 2010 World Cup and the 2011 FIFA presidential election.

The Indicted Defendants

As set forth in the indictment, the defendants and their co-conspirators fall generally into three categories: soccer officials acting in a fiduciary capacity within FIFA and one or more of its constituent organizations; sports media and marketing company executives; and businessmen, bankers and other trusted intermediaries who laundered illicit payments.

Nine of the defendants were FIFA officials by operation of the FIFA statutes, as well as officials of one or more other bodies:

•Jeffrey Webb: Current FIFA vice president and executive committee member, CONCACAF president, Caribbean Football Union (CFU) executive committee member and Cayman Islands Football Association (CIFA) president.

•Eduardo Li: Current FIFA executive committee member-elect, CONCACAF executive committee member and Costa Rican soccer federation (FEDEFUT) president.

•Julio Rocha: Current FIFA development officer.  Former Central American Football Union (UNCAF) president and Nicaraguan soccer federation (FENIFUT) president.

•Costas Takkas: Current attaché to the CONCACAF president.  Former CIFA general secretary.

•Jack Warner: Former FIFA vice president and executive committee member, CONCACAF president, CFU president and Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) special adviser.

•Eugenio Figueredo: Current FIFA vice president and executive committee member.  Former CONMEBOL president and Uruguayan soccer federation (AUF) president.

•Rafael Esquivel: Current CONMEBOL executive committee member and Venezuelan soccer federation (FVF) president.

•José Maria Marin: Current member of the FIFA organizing committee for the Olympic football tournaments.  Former CBF president.

•Nicolás Leoz: Former FIFA executive committee member and CONMEBOL president.

Four of the defendants were sports marketing executives:

•Alejandro Burzaco: Controlling principal of Torneos y Competencias S.A., a sports marketing business based in Argentina, and its affiliates.

•Aaron Davidson: President of Traffic Sports USA Inc. (Traffic USA).

•Hugo and Mariano Jinkis: Controlling principals of Full Play Group S.A., a sports marketing business based in Argentina, and its affiliates.

And one of the defendants was in the broadcasting business but allegedly served as an intermediary to facilitate illicit payments between sports marketing executives and soccer officials:

•José Margulies:  Controlling principal of Valente Corp. and Somerton Ltd.

The Convicted Individuals and Corporations

The following individuals and corporations previously pleaded guilty under seal:

On July 15, 2013, the defendant Daryll Warner, son of defendant Jack Warner and a former FIFA development officer, waived indictment and pleaded guilty to a two-count information charging him with wire fraud and the structuring of financial transactions.

On Oct. 25, 2013, the defendant Daryan Warner waived indictment and pleaded guilty to a three-count information charging him with wire fraud conspiracy, money laundering conspiracy and the structuring of financial transactions.  Daryan Warner forfeited over $1.1 million around the time of his plea and has agreed to pay a second forfeiture money judgment at the time of sentencing.

On Nov. 25, 2013, the defendant Charles Blazer, the former CONCACAF general secretary and a former FIFA executive committee member, waived indictment and pleaded guilty to a 10-count information charging him with racketeering conspiracy, wire fraud conspiracy, money laundering conspiracy, income tax evasion and failure to file a Report of Foreign Bank and Financial Accounts (FBAR).  Blazer forfeited over $1.9 million at the time of his plea and has agreed to pay a second amount to be determined at the time of sentencing.

On Dec. 12, 2014, the defendant José Hawilla, the owner and founder of the Traffic Group, the Brazilian sports marketing conglomerate, waived indictment and pleaded guilty to a four-count information charging him with racketeering conspiracy, wire fraud conspiracy, money laundering conspiracy and obstruction of justice.  Hawilla also agreed to forfeit over $151 million, $25 million of which was paid at the time of his plea.

On May 14, 2015, the defendants Traffic Sports USA Inc. and Traffic Sports International Inc. pleaded guilty to wire fraud conspiracy.

All money forfeited by the defendants is being held in reserve to ensure its availability to satisfy any order of restitution entered at sentencing for the benefit of any individuals or entities that qualify as victims of the defendants’ crimes under federal law.

* * * *

The indictment unsealed today has been assigned to U.S. District Court Judge Raymond J. Dearie of the Eastern District of New York.

The indicted and convicted individual defendants face maximum terms of incarceration of 20 years for the RICO conspiracy, wire fraud conspiracy, wire fraud, money laundering conspiracy, money laundering and obstruction of justice charges.  In addition, Eugenio Figueredo faces a maximum term of incarceration of 10 years for a charge of naturalization fraud and could have his U.S. citizenship revoked.  He also faces a maximum term of incarceration of five years for each tax charge.  Charles Blazer faces a maximum term of incarceration of 10 years for the FBAR charge and five years for the tax evasion charges; and Daryan and Daryll Warner face maximum terms of incarceration of 10 years for structuring financial transactions to evade currency reporting requirements.  Each individual defendant also faces mandatory restitution, forfeiture and a fine.  By the terms of their plea agreements, the corporate defendants face fines of $500,000 and one year of probation.

The government’s investigation is ongoing.

The government’s case is being prosecuted by Assistant U.S. Attorneys Evan M. Norris, Amanda Hector, Darren A. LaVerne, Samuel P. Nitze, Keith D. Edelman and Brian D. Morris of the Eastern District of New York, with assistance provided by the Justice Department’s Office of International Affairs and Organized Crime and Gang Section.

The Indicted Defendants:

ALEJANDRO BURZACO
Age:  50
Nationality: Argentina

AARON DAVIDSON
Age:  44
Nationality: USA

RAFAEL ESQUIVEL
Age:  68
Nationality: Venezuela

EUGENIO FIGUEREDO
Age:   83
Nationality: USA, Uruguay

HUGO JINKIS
Age:   70
Nationality: Argentina

MARIANO JINKIS
Age:   40
Nationality: Argentina

NICOLÁS LEOZ
Age:   86
Nationality: Paraguay

EDUARDO LI
Age:   56
Nationality: Costa Rica

JOSÉ MARGULIES, also known as José Lazaro
Age:   75
Nationality: Brazil

JOSÉ MARIA MARIN
Age:   83
Nationality: Brazil

JULIO ROCHA
Age:   64
Nationality: Nicaragua

COSTAS TAKKAS
Age:   58
Nationality: United Kingdom

JACK WARNER
Age:   72
Nationality: Trinidad and Tobago

JEFFREY WEBB
Age:   50
Nationality: Cayman Islands

The Convicted Defendants:

CHARLES BLAZER
Age:   70
Nationality: USA

JOSÉ HAWILLA
Age:   71
Nationality: Brazil

DARYAN WARNER
Age:   46
Nationality: Trinidad and Tobago, Grenada

DARYLL WARNER
Age:   40
Nationality: USA, Trinidad and Tobago

TRAFFIC SPORTS INTERNATIONAL INC.

Registered:  British Virgin Islands

TRAFFIC SPORTS USA INC.

Registered:  USA

E.D.N.Y. Docket Numbers:

United States v. Daryll Warner, 13 Cr. 402 (WFK)

United States v. Daryan Warner, 13 Cr. 584 (WFK)

United States v. Charles Blazer, 13 Cr. 602 (RJD)

United States v. José Hawilla, 14 Cr. 609 (RJD)

United States v. Traffic Sports International, Inc., 14 Cr. 609 (RJD)

United States v. Traffic Sports USA, Inc., 14 Cr. 609 (RJD)

United States v. Jeffrey Webb et al., 15 Cr. 252 (RJD)

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on May 27, 2015, 09:17:19 AM
Jack Warner responds. Warner faces extradition, named among FIFA officials indicted in US.
T&T Guardian Reports.


Jack Warner is among several powerful figures in global football facing charges over widespread corruption over the past two decades, the New York Times reported.

UPDATE: Warner responds to international media reports

In a media release this morning Warner disassociates himself from the investigations stating that he has left FIFA and international football more than four years ago.
 
“It has been reported that a number of FIFA officials have been arrested in Switzerland and that at least one raid conducted by the Federal Bureau of Investigators in Miami is being executed at what I presume to be CONCACAF offices. 
 
“My name is being reported by international media as being one of those persons sought in connection with the probe. 
 
“The people of Trinidad and Tobago will know that I quit FIFA and international football more than four years ago and that over the past several years I have recommitted my life to the work of improving the lot of every citizen of every creed and race in this nation,” Warner said. 
 
Reaffirming his innocence, Warner stated that he was afforded no due process and was not questioned on the matter.
 
“I have fought fearlessly against all forms of injustice and corruption. I have been afforded no due process and I have not even been questioned in this matter.  I reiterate that I am innocent of any charges.   I have walked away from the politics of world football to immerse myself in the improvement of lives in this country where I shall, God willing, die,” he said.
 
Warner claimed that FIFA matters no longer concern him. However he noted the controversial upcoming elections. 
 
“The actions of FIFA no longer concern me.   I cannot help but note however that these cross- border coordinated actions come at a time when FIFA is assembled for elections to select a President who is universally disliked by the international community.   At times such as this it is my experience that the large world powers typically take actions to affect world football.  World football is an enormous international business,” he said.
 
Warner added that his sole focus is now on the people of T&T and he will continue with his political life.   
 
“That is no longer my concern. My sole focus at this stage of my life is on the people of Trinidad and Tobago. I wish to advise the hundreds of thousands of persons who support the ILP that my commitment to them and to the people of Trinidad and Tobago is undaunted and can never be broken,” he said.

FIFA: No re-vote on 2018 and 2022 World Cups, presidential election WILL go ahead and we're the "damaged party"
By Ben Curtis (mirror.co.uk)


Football's governing body is in disarray after two separate investigations were launched into claims of bribery and how the Russia and Qatar tournaments were allocated

FIFA insist there will be NO re-vote on the 2018 and 2022 World Cups in Russia despite a corruption investigation from Swiss authorities into the bidding process for both tournaments.

And a spokesperson claimed it's the governing body that is the "damaged party" after six FIFA officials were arrested in Zurich this morning on suspicion of the acceptance of bribes and kick-backs between the early 1990s and the present day.

This includes vice-president Jeffrey Webb and five others who each face extradition to the US to face charges.

A separate investigation into the allocation of the next two World Cups was soon afterwards announced by the Attorney General of Switzerland.

But in an incredible press conference, Walter de Gregorio, FIFA's director of communications and public affairs, claimed that:

•FIFA is the "damaged party"

•There will be NO revote on the 2018 and 2022 World Cups

•Friday's presidential election - expected to see Sepp Blatter re-elected for another four years - will go ahead as planned, as will the FIFA congress

•Those arrested this morning will NOT be suspended by FIFA

Gregorio, who admitted the timing of this morning's developments was "obviously not ideal", confirmed Blatter was not arrested this morning and is not under investigation.

When asked whether he could confirm the names of those arrested, and whether there would be a revote on the awarding of the 2018 and 2022 World Cups, the FIFA spokesman remained defiant.

"Two nos for you. No no. I cannot confirm the names, I cannot confirm how many people have been arrested.

"I can say what I can say as the president said in past press conference. The World Cups in 2018 and 2022 will be played in Russia and Qatar."

He added: "I wish to repeat that in this case, FIFA is the damaged party. There were no searches within the offices of FIFA.

"The people of the General Attorney are here and we work with them. It is in the highest interest that these questions can be answered after our complaint lodged on November 18th."

And FIFA's 65th Congress, set to meet in Zurich on Friday, will take place where Blatter will go up against Prince Ali bin al-Hussein of Jordan in the presidential election.

De Gregorio said: "FIFA suffering under the circumstances. It's a difficult moment for us. We have the congress about to start. Of course, congress will take place."

Police said the bribery arrests were made "without opposition" although some were seen being covered by bed sheets as they were led from the hotel.

A statement from the Swiss Federal Office of Justice (FOJ) read: "The six soccer functionaries were arrested today in Zurich by the Zurich Cantonal Police.

"The FOJ's arrest warrants were issued further to a request by the US authorities."

Hotel staff trying to use sheets to hide officials as they exit. pic.twitter.com/o0VFKuFnQi

— Sam Borden (@SamBorden) May 27, 2015


"The US Attorney's Office for the Eastern District of New York is investigating these individuals on suspicion of the acceptance of bribes and kick-backs between the early 1990s and the present day.

"The bribery suspects - representatives of sports media and sports promotion firms - are alleged to have been involved in schemes to make payments to the soccer functionaries - delegates of Fifa and other functionaries of Fifa sub-organisations - totalling more than 100 million US dollars."

"In return, it is believed that they received media, marketing, and sponsorship rights in connection with soccer tournaments in Latin America.

"According to the US request, these crimes were agreed and prepared in the US, and payments were carried out via US banks."

The FIFA officials charged under the probe are Jeffrey Webb, Eugenio Figueredo, Jack Warner, Eduardo Li, Julio Rocha, Costas Takkas, Rafael Esquivel, José Maria Marin and Nicolás Leoz.

Swiss officials said the suspects' deportation could be sanctioned immediately.

It is understood the US investigation goes well beyond FIFA and will involve sports-marketing executives across Latin America.

An investigator told the New York Times: "We’re struck by just how long this went on for and how it touched nearly every part of what FIFA did.

"It just seemed to permeate every element of the federation and was just their way of doing business. It seems like this corruption was institutionalised."

The investigation is being led by US Attorney General Loretta Lynch, he came into office in February.

She is due to hold a press conference in New York later this morning.

Prince Ali Bin Al Hussein, standing against Blatter in FIFA's elections, said: "Today is a sad day for football.

"Clearly this is a developing story, the details of which are still emerging.

"It would not be appropriate to comment further at this time."

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Sando prince on May 27, 2015, 12:47:39 PM


https://www.youtube.com/v/jMfnjMY7mKc
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: AB.Trini on May 27, 2015, 05:50:07 PM
Leh we begin to follow the YELLOW Brick road in TNT- what does the law state to those who profited from funds from suspect sources?
Which political parties/ Individuals / groups or business inTnT gained from the mark that bust today? Would they all be Implicated?
Is it a twist of irony that there were massive resignations for our Integrity commission? Yuh don't think that our AG was not aware that this was coming down?
Who will it take to weed out corruption in our governing bodies in TnT?
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Sando prince on May 27, 2015, 10:28:45 PM

Process may take months, says West

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20150527/news/process-may-take-months-says-west (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20150527/news/process-may-take-months-says-west)

While the Government has acceded to the extradition request by the United States, it will take months before former FIFA vice-president Jack Warner is actually extradited.

Former head of the Central Authority David West explained yesterday that now that bail has been granted, the United States has 60 days within which to produce evidence.

This, he said, will be done through the Central Authority.

After this, he explained, there will be a preliminary hearing.

All this could take up to four months before it reaches the High Court.

He said if Warner consents, then there will be no case and the process will be faster.

However, if Warner seeks to challenge the matter with a judicial review, it could delay the matter.

West is also head of the Police Complaints Authority.
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: AB.Trini on May 28, 2015, 12:56:53 AM
Today marks a sad day  a tragedy in the legacy of one of our native sons- this is not time for gloating nor time to rejoice in another's sorrow.  Retribution yes, but this also marks a failure of those who were near and close to  allow one to falter without intervening. How many more were receipents of a " Robin Hoodism" kind of act from one who atttained such great heights? Yes indeed the tragic flaws of greed ,arrogance  and vile contagious corruptible exploitation of people is not worthy of sympathy.
We are mere mortals and frailty is our destiny- where are the political friends that cheered and gathered around in the market place and exalted such praises and adulation? Where are those whose alleged political journey was paved with seemingly ill gotten gains? Where are those who worshipped and adored you? The flame has flickered and today we see the tragic hero's demise.
Is this the ' Big Fish'? Will a tsunami of paramount proportions be unleashed by the band of merry followers who were once loyal comrades?
Will the truth of all the unresolved issues which has plagued this island be finally  be revealed as an act of penance?
Is this the catalyst that elicits the purging of ills and sets the path for a rebirth in this land? Will the reversal in fortune be accompanied by. One who genuinely would like to make things right? Or will there be a sacrificial lamb that will be carved out and given up to the authorities while others sleek into the night like sheep in a cloistered cave?
Today there is no mourning no crying but a collective sigh and mood of blanketed shame for one of our native sons- collectively there were many who rejoiced in 2006 and attributed the success on the pitch to one man, today that collective must bare some burden of remorse for supporting and allowing one man to move along a chosen path to placate a hunger by fans who clutched at all the straws of a glory now faded in time- at what price? What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but lose th his soul? 
We are part of every man and one man suffering is but part of our own.
A nation who suspected and heard the allegations still elected and bestowed political office of the highest to this man- leaders saw fit to adorned hi with titles and accepted all that he had to offer!  today this lamb sacrifice must serve to correct the wrongs to teach the youths that I'll gotten gains comes at a price and that as a nation we need to recalibrate our moral compass and stand up to corruption stand up to unethical practices and walk in dignity .
Our leaders must lead without fear our president must take a stance and we as a people need to march and break down walls of criminality and corasive ele,nets in our society.
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on May 28, 2015, 01:59:57 AM
Mixed reaction in Chaguanas West
By Rhondor Dowlat (Guardian).


Chaguanas West constituents have expressed sadness over the arrest of their Member of Parliament Jack Warner on allegations of corruption and now want to know if this means that they will stand unrepresented in Parliament. When T&T Guardian visited the area yesterday there were mixed reactions to the news of his arrest in connection with the US Government probe into corruption in Fifa. However, the majority of people said they were shocked and saddened.

Sahadeo Ramroop, 68, of Charlieville, Chaguanas, described Warner as a kind-hearted man who went out of his way to help people. “He would take out money from his own pocket and help people. Some of them he built houses for. “He real fix up the constituency with nice roads, box drains and recreation grounds. Does this mean now that his seat will become vacant? Well if he is on corruption charges, well, that’s his business, he will have to see about himself. 

“It is something that everybody would feel sad for him but he will now have to go and prove himself innocent if he is,” he said. Felicity resident Surujday Basdeo, 65, also attested to Warner’s kind-heartedness. “I met him personally and he is a very nice man. He helped bury two of my relatives because they were dirt poor and we couldn’t afford to bury them. I sorry for him and I hope he get out some how.”

Another resident of Cacandee Road, who wished not to be identified, bluntly said he never liked Warner as a candidate and representative for the constituency because of all the allegations of fraud which loomed over his head. “I never supported Jack. He was too good to be true,” the resident said. Dularie Jaikaran, 60, said her heart goes out to Warner and his entire family.

“I am sure they are going through a tough time now because that kind of allegation is very serious. I can’t say nothing bad about him. He was good to the people of Felicity.” Another man, Ramesh Bandll, said he did not really care what happened to Warner. “He ain’t mean nothing to me, nah. He will have to face whatever now,” he said.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on May 28, 2015, 02:01:37 AM
Analyst on Warner’s indictment: Bleak future for ILP
By Kevon Felmine (Guardian).


Political analyst Dr Maukesh Basdeo believes the charges against Jack Warner will diminish the Independent Liberal Party’s (ILP) chances in this year’s general election. He said Warner’s indictment would have a direct impact on the future of the ILP as it already had to grapple with the loss of several executive members over the past year, including its political leader Lyndira Oudit and chairman Robin Montano.

Labelling the ILP and Warner as one and the same, he said the party’s survival hanged on whether the remaining executive could find a suitable leader and field 41 candidates for the election. “Given what has happened today, I can’t see how the party could capitalise because currently there are charges against its political leader and the only ILP member in the Parliament,” Basdeo said

He said even if Warner was not extradited to the US to face corruption and fraud charges and continued to lead the party into the election, those allegations would still hang over his head. Food Production Minister Devant Maharaj said the indictment came as no surprise as Warner failed to heed Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar’s advise to clear his name in 2013 after his name featured in a damning Concacaf report.

He added: “I think we have been expecting this for a number of years now, given the number of serious allegations that has been in the international domain. “I hope that the extradition is expeditiously done and Mr Warner goes and either clears his name or stands the consequence of his actions. I think the Prime Minster really afforded Mr Warner the opportunity as she never fired him from the Government.

“She said: ‘Listen Jack, go out and clear your name and when your name is cleared, you can come back in.’ “He opted to resign from Fifa and Concacaf rather than clear his name and the irony of ironies is that while he has these allegations of corruption hanging over his head, he proceeded then to accuse everybody in the Government of being corrupt as if to distract from his own problem by putting similar allegations on his former colleagues.

“This is sweet poetic justice that the man who accuses everybody of being corrupt is now being indicted for corruption allegations,” Maharaj added.

Labour Minister Errol McLeod: “Well I’m looking at the unfolding eve. I, like other colleagues, am not surprised at all and I hope that this particular event will put to rest all of the speculations and expectations that many might have been expressing. I think that this will have a very negative impact on the  ILP. I don’t think that party will survive.”

Minister of the Environment and Water Resources Ganga Singh: “I feel it is quite a tragedy that has befallen Mr Warner and his party. There is an indictment which is a charge and there is a presumption of innocence until one is proven guilty.

“Politically I think it is a lethal blow to the ILP. Mr Warner was ILP and ILP was Mr Warner. Only time will tell whether the party will survive.”

Works and Infrastructure Minister Surujrattan Rambachan: “It’s a very sad day for Trinidad and Tobago and one does not want to comment on the situation because it is ongoing so we just have to wait to see the outcome of what is unfolding.”

Former justice minister Emmanuel George: “I don't rush to judge people so I will let the court take its time to process and come to its own conclusion. Let the court rule.”

Planning Minister Bhoe Tewarie: “All I would say is that I don’t really want to get involved. The charges has clearly been laid against people. He is one of them. I don’t know where this will all go but I am not surprised.”

Transport Minister Stephen Cadiz: “My simple comment is what will be will be.”

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on May 28, 2015, 02:16:18 AM
JACK Warner JAILED
By JADA LOUTOO and RYAN HAMILTON-DAVIS
Thursday, May 28 2015
T&T Newsday

 
CHAGUANAS West Member of Parliament and former FIFA vice-president Jack Warner spent last night in jail after he was unable to have bail documents approved to allow his release on charges of racketeering, wire fraud and money laundering conspiracies in connection with a 24-year scheme to enrich himself by corrupting soccer.

A generally sombre Warner managed some smiles and a wave as he emerged from the Port-of- Spain Magistrates’ Court at 5 pm yesterday after being granted $2.5 million bail by Chief Magistrate Marcia Ayes Caesar before whom he appeared. He surrendered to police about an hour earlier.

When his matter came up in the courtroom, his attorney Fyard Hosein told the chief magistrate that he had secured “pre-approved” bail in the sum of $1.9 million. This drew a quizzical look from Ayers Caesar who asked the attorney what he meant. Hosein responded that it was the sum approved by a Justice of the Peace.

However, the chief magistrate made it clear that it was for her to determine the bail amount and ordered the sum of $2.5 million instead. Warner went to the Fraud Squad at the corner of Richmond and Park streets in Port-of-Spain hours after he and 13 others, all overseas football officials, were indicted by the United States Department of Justice accused of abusing their positions of trust to acquire millions of dollars in bribes and kickbacks.

In a press statement, issued early yesterday after the 47-count indictment was unsealed in a Federal court in Brooklyn, New York, and began making international headlines on most news networks including the BBC and CNN, Warner maintained his innocence and said FIFA business no longer concerned him. He also said in a radio interview early yesterday morning that he was able to sleep at nights and that if the United States Department of Justice wanted him, they knew where to find him. (See Pages 16 and 17)

In addition to being an MP, Warner is political leader of the Independent Liberal Party (ILP), which will be contesting 41 seats in the upcoming general elections Although granted bail by the chief magistrate, Warner was unable to get the documents approved and was taken to the Frederick Street remand yard, after last ditch efforts to rectify matters failed. He is due to return to court on July 9, but his attorneys are expected to iron out the bail issues today to allow him to be released.

A provisional warrant of arrest was sought by the United States for Warner’s extradition to that country to answer an eight-count indictment. At about 2.30 pm yesterday, Warner and his attorneys went to the Fraud Squad offices where he surrendered. Almost an hour later, he was taken by police to the Port-of-Spain Magistrates’ Court where he appeared before the chief magistrate who read out the 12 charges to him and subsequently heard the bail application by his lead attorney Hosein.

Hosein told Ayers Caesar that his client was entitled to bail, was of good character and was a sitting Member of Parliament, a former teacher, Minister and Special Reserve Policeman. With no objections, the chief magistrate set bail in the sum of $2.5 million with a surety, to be approved by a Clerk of the Peace. She also ordered that Warner surrender his passport and report to the Arouca Police Station on Mondays and Thursdays between 6 am and 6 pm. Hosein indicated that they had a pre-approved deed, as well as other documents, to cover bail in the sum of $1.9 million. Once bail was set at $2.5 million, another deed was brought but it made little difference to the Clerk of the Peace III, whose approval was required.

According to the charges, Warner and several others, are alleged to have systematically paid and agreed to pay over $150 million in bribes and kickbacks to obtain lucrative media and marketing rights to international soccer tournaments.

A suited Warner sat quietly in the prisoners’ docks throughout his court appearance. His only response was “Thank You Ma’am”, before being led out of the courtroom by court and process officers.

At about 4.54 pm, a marked police vehicle reversed into the area at the St Vincent Street Magistrates’ Court reserved for prisoners, leading to speculation that Warner would be going to prison for the night. Confirmation came minutes later and he was taken to the Frederick Street remand yard. One man among scores of curious onlookers who gathered outside the courts to get a glimpse of the former FIFA boss, loudly expressed his support for Warner, saying he should be tried in an international court rather than in “biased” US courts.

As Warner was taken from the courthouse, one woman almost collapsed in grief while his driver also wept openly. In a statement earlier in the day, Warner distanced himself from the investigations and questioned the timing of the arrests. (See Page 5)

Of the 14 former FIFA officials and corporate executives indicted in the American courts, seven of them were arrested yesterday in Zurich where the international football body is curently meeting to elect a new president. Four other men previously pleaded guilty to the US charges including Warner’s two sons, Daryan and Daryll.

US Attorney General Loretta Lynch said: “The indictment alleges corruption that is rampant, systemic, and deep-rooted both abroad and here in the United States. It spans at least two generations of soccer officials who, as alleged, have abused their positions of trust to acquire millions of dollars in bribes and kickbacks. And it has profoundly harmed a multitude of victims, from the youth leagues and developing countries that should benefit from the revenue generated by the commercial rights these organisations hold, to the fans at home and throughout the world whose support for the game makes those rights valuable.”

“Today’s action makes clear that this Department of Justice intends to end any such corrupt practices, to root out misconduct, and to bring wrongdoers to justice – and we look forward to continuing to work with other countries in this effort,” she said.

Also appearing for Warner during his court appearance in Port- of-Spain yesterday were Rishi Dass, Nyree Alphonso and Rekha Ramjit. Senior Counsel Pamela Elder leads Jagdeo Singh, Gerald Ramdeen, Richard Mason and Alvin Pariagsingh for the requesting state.

The Central Authority, through which the US is seeking Warner’s extradition, is represented by its Head, Netram Kowlessar.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on May 28, 2015, 02:18:38 AM
Sancho wants Warner answer FBI questions
By STEPHON NICHOLAS (Newsday).


Minister of Sport and former Soca Warrior, Brent Sancho, believes ex-FIFA vice-president Jack Warner should be extradited to the United States “to answer serious questions” posed to him by the FBI (Federal Bureau of Investigations).

Sancho was speaking with Newsday following an early morning sweep in Switzerland by police on delegates who were convening for Friday’s FIFA presidential election where incumbent Sepp Blatter is seeking a fifth consecutive term.

Warner, who resigned from FIFA in June 2011 amid a proliferation of allegations of corruption, is named among 14 persons indicted including current Concacaf boss Jeffrey Webb for racketeering, fraud and money laundering.

Sancho, who had a personal battle with Warner and the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) for 2006 World Cup bonuses and accountability for close to $200 million from the 2006 World Cup campaign, had little sympathy for the former Special Adviser to the TTFA.

“I believe once there is concrete evidence he should answer what questions are raised to him. And based on the international reports that have been coming out for the last few years he has to answer a number of serious questions,” he stated.

Sancho said he was not surprised by yesterday’s developments as he reminded the public that Warner is not untouchable despite the power he once wielded throughout the world.

“I am not surprised at all. This has been something in the making for quite a while. There has been a number of allegations around FIFA and the only real surprise is that it has taken so long. There was the (Mohammed) bin Hammam situation (alleged US$40k bribes to (Caribbean officials) right here in Trinidad. He’s not untouchable but it is unprecedented. FIFA has been a law unto themselves for quite a while,” he said.

Sancho said this current FIFA scandal is a reminder to all sporting bodies to adhere to the principles of integrity while in office as no longer will the world sit back and allow corrupt sporting activities to continue unpunished.

“It’s a historic day in terms of how people will conduct business. We at home and the TTFA need to be cognizant of this. I’m not saying they have done anything illegal but we must be aware that accountability is a must. People must remember how powerful Concacaf is in terms of voting because of the number of countries we have. It has a lot to say in terms of everything going on at FIFA and what is playing out right now,” he explained.

Asked whether he feels vindicated considering their much publicised battle with Warner and the TTFA, Sancho said: “One thing is for sure is we unearthed a lot of stuff to do with what’s transpiring now. We are happy that the stuff we unearthed has now come home to roost. It’s a sad day for football,” he declared.

Asked whether FIFA has any credibility left, Sancho did not give a definite answer but urged football’s governing body to use this scandal as the impetus to purge itself from corrupt activities and officials. “That is the million dollar question now. Where do they go from here? From allegations to now arrests, I hope things can be cleansed but we don’t know how this will now affect tournaments coming up,” he said.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on May 28, 2015, 05:46:18 AM
Has there been no Cabinet statement on the matter? All I'm reading is a smorgasbord of opinion.
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Sando prince on May 28, 2015, 05:55:54 PM

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Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: E-man on May 29, 2015, 12:27:46 AM
'Jack's accountant bought foreign $$'
By Camini Marajh (T&T Express)


The JTA Supermarket chain is the business interest currently engaging the attention of Uni­ted States law enforcement au­thorities, sources have disclosed.

The eight-count federal indict­­ment, which makes corruption allegations against former government minister Jack Warner, alleges the ex-FIFA vice-president diverted a "significant portion" of a US$10 million bribe to his private account in a local bank and "laundered the funds through accounts held in the name of a large supermarket chain and affiliated investment company in Trinidad".

Sources have identified the supermarket chain as JTA Supermarket and the affiliated company mentioned in the US- issued indictment against War-ner as JT Allum and Co Ltd.

Owner and director of the JTA Group Carl Mack yes­- ter­­day confirmed there were "some foreign currency pur­cha­ses" from Warner by the company's accountant, Kenny Rampersad.

As reported in a 12-part series published in this newspaper in 2013, Rampersad was also Warner's accountant-in-chief for myriad football entities, including Con­- cacaf, the regional confede- ration comprising North and Central America and the Caribbean; Caribbean Football Union (CFU); Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF); LOC Germany 2006 Ltd; and the disputed Centre of Excellence in Macoya. He was also the auditor for Concacaf.

Reached for comment, Mack said all of the foreign currency purchases from Warn­- er were done by his accountant, who also happened to be Warn- er's main man of business. He said the requisite source of funds declarations were made for all of the foreign exchange purchases from Warner.

Rampersad, best known for his role in producing four sets of conflicting TTFF financial state­ments in as many years, refused comment when contacted by the Express yesterday.

"I cannot speak now," he said when this reporter identified herself.

Told we were calling about foreign currency transactions related to the JTA group, Ram­persad said, "I said I cannot speak now!"

Pressed on the issue of JTA being mentioned in the indictment, he repeated his comment of being unable to speak and said only, "The timing is bad," before terminating the call.

As reported in our series, a minimum of $205.6 million in public and private sector funds was paid to the national football association, in support of the 2006 World Cup campaign.

The various Rampersad financial statements however painted a far more modest picture and reflected many discre­pancies, and more than a $100 million missing in World Cup income.
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on May 29, 2015, 01:56:47 AM
Fresh from prison Warner says he's not holding back any longer on Kamla.
By Anna Ramdass (Express).


The Gloves are Off

Declaring that the "gloves are off", Jack Warner said last night he that intends to go after Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar and reveal all through a tape which he will give to four lawyers.

Warner was speaking for the first time since being released from prison at an Independent Liberal Party (ILP) cottage meeting in Endeavour, Chaguanas.

“I want to tell Kamla that as of tonight the gloves are off! Kamla having jailed me, as of tonight the gloves are off!” said Warner.

“Everything I have against Kamla I will bring it out. I have kept it back too long and I will bring it out...but not tonight,” he continued.

Warner said he feels his life is under threat and as such he has decided to make a video tape and give it to four lawyers--from the ILP, the People's National Movement (PNM), the Movement for Social Justice (MSJ) and his own private attorney.

Warner, a former FIFA Vice President , was taken to prison on Wednesday evening after appearing before Chief Magistrate Marcia Ayers-Caesar in the Port of Spain Magistrates' Court following his surrender to Fraud Squad detectives earlier that day.

He is wanted in the United States on charges of fraud, racketeering and money laundering in that country and Trinidad and Tobago while holding the position of vice-president of FIFA. The indictment lists eight charges, but when Warner appeared before Ayers-Caesar, a total of 12 charges were read. The alleged offences occurred as far back as 1990.

He was released yesterday after supplying a proper deed to secure his $2.5 million bail.

Persad-Bissessar, when questioned by the media yesterday following the opening of the new Maloney Police Station, said she received no funding from Warner when she contested the United National Congress (UNC) internal election in 2010. She also denied receiving money from Warner for the 2010 general election or the 2013 Tobago House of Assembly election.

“I will tell you something--she lie,” said Warner last night in response to her comments. He said he will name all the contractors he and Persad-Bissessar went to.

Warner said in one case it was so “obscene” that he walked out and “Stacy (Roopnarine) walked in”.“All gloves are off, I remained silent for too long...they believe they could walk all over me,” said Warner.

Warner maintained he is innocent of the charges leveled against him by US authorities.He said if he's being accused of financial impropriety, then the question should be asked, who gave it (the money).

He said this issue was bigger than people in Trinidad and Tobago think. “Why is it only third world countries are charged?” he asked. He further questioned what was wrong in giving countries like Russia and Qatar the opportunity to host the World Cup. He said being from a third world country, he understood Qatar's position but, “the US felt they have the divine right to anything”.

He said that he cut all ties with FIFA four years ago. “If after four years they still can't forget Jack Warner something wrong,” he said. Warner said he was never questioned with respect to the charges made against him. “They never ask me once...charges...I Jack Warner know nothing about those charges, what our lawyers have done is tell them to prove it,” he said.

Calls from Panday/Dookeran

Warner said he was overwhelmed with calls and messages from all over the globe. But the two calls that touched his heart were from the Panday family—former prime minister Basdeo Panday, his wife Oma and daughter Mickela - and the second call from Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Dookeran and his wife. He disclosed that though he was depressed as he has never been to jail in his life, he thinks it is a “mark of honour” as he noted that Basdeo Panday, Nelson Mandela, Indira Gandhi and (Fidel) Castro all served time in jail. He said he received “Hyatt” treatment whilst in jail and showered praise and gratitude to the prison officers and deputy Prisons Commissioner.

Warner also slammed Attorney General Garvin Nicholas, whom he claimed signed extradition papers in 15 minutes.He said it took three months before extradition papers were signed for Ish Galbaransingh and Steve Ferguson.“How the hell after five years he can't ask the US to send back Calder Hart here,” said Warner.

Warner claimed everything that was happening was a plot by the Government to get rid of him. “I'm surprised that Keith (Rowley) didn't understand that,” said Warner, expressing disappointment over the comments Rowley made in an Express report.

He said the Government, “having killed Rowley” with his suspension from Parliament, was now turning on him.

Warner's return was an emotional one for his supporters as Josh Groban's “You Lift Me Up” was played on his entry. Warner noted the heavy media presence at last night's meeting, including the BBC.

"If to make one day jail cause that I should make two,” he joked.“Jack is alive and kicking. I want to tell you he will be with you to the end,” said Warner.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on May 29, 2015, 01:57:24 AM
'Jack's accountant bought foreign $$'
By Camini Marajh (Express).


The JTA Supermarket chain is the business interest currently engaging the attention of Uni­ted States law enforcement au­thorities, sources have disclosed.

The eight-count federal indict­­ment, which makes corruption allegations against former government minister Jack Warner, alleges the ex-FIFA vice-president diverted a "significant portion" of a US$10 million bribe to his private account in a local bank and "laundered the funds through accounts held in the name of a large supermarket chain and affiliated investment company in Trinidad".

Sources have identified the supermarket chain as JTA Supermarket and the affiliated company mentioned in the US- issued indictment against War-ner as JT Allum and Co Ltd.

Owner and director of the JTA Group Carl Mack yes­- ter­­day confirmed there were "some foreign currency pur­cha­ses" from Warner by the company's accountant, Kenny Rampersad.

As reported in a 12-part series published in this newspaper in 2013, Rampersad was also Warner's accountant-in-chief for myriad football entities, including Con­- cacaf, the regional confede- ration comprising North and Central America and the Caribbean; Caribbean Football Union (CFU); Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF); LOC Germany 2006 Ltd; and the disputed Centre of Excellence in Macoya. He was also the auditor for Concacaf.

Reached for comment, Mack said all of the foreign currency purchases from Warn­- er were done by his accountant, who also happened to be Warn- er's main man of business. He said the requisite source of funds declarations were made for all of the foreign exchange purchases from Warner.

Rampersad, best known for his role in producing four sets of conflicting TTFF financial state­ments in as many years, refused comment when contacted by the Express yesterday.

"I cannot speak now," he said when this reporter identified herself.

Told we were calling about foreign currency transactions related to the JTA group, Ram­persad said, "I said I cannot speak now!"

Pressed on the issue of JTA being mentioned in the indictment, he repeated his comment of being unable to speak and said only, "The timing is bad," before terminating the call.

As reported in our series, a minimum of $205.6 million in public and private sector funds was paid to the national football association, in support of the 2006 World Cup campaign.

The various Rampersad financial statements however painted a far more modest picture and reflected many discre­pancies, and more than a $100 million missing in World Cup income.

US$1.4m sent to grocery owner.
By Gail Alexander (Guardian).


US not keen on Jack’s Trini co-conspirator...

There has been no request by the US authorities for the extradition of anyone else from T&T besides Jack Warner, such as the Trinidadian supermarket chain businessman named in US court documents as “individual one” and who was alleged to be the person to whom Warner transferred US$1.4 million in 2008.

Attorney General Garvin Nicholas confirmed the situation yesterday following queries about the businessman described in the court documents as someone who also “controlled a real estate and investment company in T&T.”

Cheques totalling approximately the same $1.4 million amount and drawn on an account held in the name of Trinidadian Company B, a real estate and investment company also controlled by Individual 1, were deposited into a bank account held in the name of Warner and a family member at First Citizens Bank in T&T, according to the US court document.

The document stated that “individual one” and the companies the person controlled in T&T were known to the US grand jury.

Nicholas said T&T had issued a lot of information but would not detail aspects.

The 166-page court document concerns the US’ case against “The Fifa 14”, football world defendants,  on whom US authorities moved on Wednesday. The document lists Warner as the fifth person in the case.

The document was filed in the US (Eastern) District Court of New York since May 20 but was unsealed on Wednesday, the same day US authorities, who arrived in T&T recently,  began an application with T&T’s Central Authority for Warner’s extradition. Nicholas said the US had 60 days in which to do that.

The US case alleges that certain people and entities employed by and associated with Fifa, including the 14 defendants, used their positions within the enterprise to engage “in schemes involving the solicitation, offer, acceptance, payment and receipt of undisclosed and illegal payments, bribes, and kickbacks... the defendants and their co-conspirators corrupted the enterprise by engaging in various criminal activities, including fraud, bribery and money laundering, in pursuit of personal and commercial gain... to further their corrupt ends, the defendants and their co-conspirators provided one another with mutual aid and protection.”

The eight charges Warner has been indicted on pertain to various specific alleged issues in his football executive career.

The charges include racketeering, bribery, conspiring to devise a scheme to defraud the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) and obtain money/property by false/fraudulent pretences, money laundering by conspiring to transport, transmit/transfer funds from places in the US to places outside and wire fraud conspiracy and schemeing to defraud Fifa, Concacaf and the CFU.

The comprehensive document details the enterprise of Fifa, continental federations, regional federations and national associations, sports marketing companies, the defendants, co-conspirators, conspirators’ corruption of the enterprise and an overview of the racketeering conspiracy which allegedly occurred.

Other segments deal with scandal and resignations of Warner and another official, continued corruption of Fifa and obstruction of justice.

Another category deals with alleged criminal schemes concerning various football games in certain locations, including CFU World Cup qualifier “schemes”, the 2010 World Cup vote “scheme” and 2011 Fifa presidential election “schemes”. 

The document describes Warner as a T&T citizen and “between approximately 1993 and 2013, a legal permanent resident of the US.”

Contents mapped Warner’s operation in Fifa, including dealing with several of 25 co-conspirators listed in the document. Among them, for instance, the document stated that at various times, co-conspirator 14, “a relative of Warner,” was a businessman involved in, among things, a number of soccer-related ventures. It was alleged that Warner established and controlled in T&T and elsewhere, numerous bank accounts and corporate entities in which he mingled his personal assets and those of Concacaf, CFU and T&T Football Federation.”

BUSINESSMAN KNOWN BUT NOT CRITICAL TO CASE

In the issue concerning the Trinidadian businessman, the document claimed that in/about 2004, Fifa’s executive committee considered bids from Morocco, South Africa and Egypt, as well as other nations that withdrew before the vote to host the 2010 World Cup. The document alleged that “previously, Warner and his family had cultivated ties with South African soccer officials in connection with and subsequent to a failed bid by South Africa to host the 2006 World Cup.

It alleged that “in early 2000s, co-conspirator 14, a member of Warner’s family, had used Warner’s South African contacts to organise friendly matches for Concacaf teams to play in South Africa.

It claimed at one point Warner also directed co-conspirator 14 to fly to Paris, France and accept a briefcase containing bundles of US currency in $10,000 stacks in a hotel room from co-conspirator 15 a high-ranking South Africa bid committee official.

It claimed “hours after arriving in Paris, co-conspirator 14 boarded a return flight and carried the briefcase back to T&T where they provided it to Warner.”

It also claimed that in the months before the selection of the host nation for the 2010 World Cup, scheduled to be done in May 2004, Warner and co-conspirator one travelled to Morocco, as they had done in 1992 in advance of the voting for the 1998 World Cup host.

While in Morocco during the 2004 trip, it alleged that a representative of the Moroccan bid committee offered to pay $1 million to Warner in exchange for his agreement to cast his secret ballot on the Fifa executive committee for Morocco to host the 2010 World Cup.“Subsequently co-conspirator one learned from Warner that high Fifa officials, the South African Government and the South Africa bid committee, including co-conspirator 16, were prepared to arrange for the SA Government to pay $10 million to CFU  to “support the African diaspora.”

The document alleged:  “Co-conspirator one understood the offer to be in exchange for the agreement of Warner, conspirator one and also 17 to all vote for South Africa rather than Morocco to host the 2010 World Cup.

Warner indicated that he had accepted the offer and to co-conspirator one that he would give a $1 million portion of the $10 million payment to co-conspirator one.”

In Fifa’s committee vote on May 15, 2004, South Africa was selected over Morocco and Egypt to host the 2010 match.

Warner, co conspirator one and 17 indicated they voted for South Africa. In the months and years after the vote co-conspirator oner periodically asked Warner about the status of the $10 million payment.

“On January 2, 2008, January 31, 2008 and March 7, 2008, a high-ranking Fifa official caused payments of $616,000, $1.6 million and $7.7 million, totalling $10 million, to be wired from a Fifa account in Switzerland to a Bank of America account in New York for credit to the accounts held in the names of CFU and Concacaf, but controlled by Warner at Republic Bank in T&T,” the document alleged. “Soon after receiving  these wire transfers, Warner caused a substantial portion of the funds to be diverted for his personal use.

“January 9, 2008, Warner directed Republic Bank officials to apply $200,000 of the $616,000 that had been transferred into a CFU account from Fifa one week earlier towards a personal loan account held in his name.”

The document alleged Warner also diverted a portion of the funds into his personal accounts by “laundering the funds through intermediaries.”

It added: “During the period from January 16, 2008 to March 27, 2008, Warner caused approximately $1.4 million of the $10 million to be transferred to Individual one, a Trinidadian businessman whose identity is known to the grand jury and Trinidadian Company A, a large supermarket chain in T&T controlled by individual one.

“Weeks later, cheques totalling approximately the same amount and drawn on an account held in the name of Trinidadian Company B, real estate and investment company also controlled by individual one, were deposited into a bank account held in the name of Warner and a family member at First Citizens Bank in T&T.”

The document stated the identities of Trinidadian Company A and Trinidadian Company B are known to the (US) grand jury.

It alleged that during the three years following Warner’s receipt of the $10 million from Fifa, he made three payments to co-conspirator one ,totalling over $750,000 in partial payment of the $1 million that Warner had earlier promised that person as part of the bribe scheme.

The first payment, $$298,500,  made by wire transfer, went on/about December 19 2008 from an account held in the name of CFU at Republic Bank, T&T, to a Bank of America correspondent account in NY for credit to an account  controlled by co-conspirator one at a Cayman Islands bank.

The second payment, $205,000, was made by cheque drawn on an account held in the name of CFU at Republic Bank, T&T. It is alleged that on/about September 27, 2010, co-conspirator one caused the cheque to be deposited into his Merrill Lynch brokerage account in NY. “Approximately one month earlier, on or about August 23, 2010, Warner sent an email to co-conspirator one to advise him that the payment was forthcoming.”

The third payment, $250,000, was made by cheque drawn in CFU’s name at Republic Bank, T&T. The cheque was delivered to co-conspirator one by another individual who travelled by airplane from T&T to JFK in NY and then to Concacaf’s head office in NY, where he delivered the cheque to co-conspirator one.

It was claimed that approximately two months earlier,  March 13, 2011, Warner sent an email to co-conspirator one to advise him that another payment was forthcoming but the document stated that co-conspirator one “never received the balance of the promised $1 million payment...”

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on May 29, 2015, 02:08:02 AM
PM: Jack never funded UNC
By CAROL MATROO (Newsday)
Friday, May 29 2015


PRIME Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar yesterday denied that the United National Congress (UNC) received any financing from Independent Liberal Party (ILP) leader and former FIFA vice-president, Austin Jack Warner, when he was a member of that party.

“I received no financing from Mr Warner.

“He may have financed his own campaign in 2010, but as the leader of the Partnership and leader of the UNC, I received no financing whatsoever from him prior to party internal elections in 2010, and thereafter into the general election,” Persad-Bissessar said.

The Prime Minister, speaking to members of the media after the formal opening of the Maloney Police Station. The PM also said she, “definitely did not receive any funding whatsoever for the THA election as leader of the Partnership or as Prime Minister.”

Persad-Bissessar also said she has not held back the election date because of any advanced knowledge of what would have transpired with Warner who has been named in US indictments for eight charges including racketeering and fraud.

“I have repeatedly said I will call the election within the constitutional mandate. I said I will serve my full term and today marks exactly five years since the formation of my Cabinet.

“The election date has nothing to do with these events, it has to do with fulfilling my mandate that was given by the electorate for five years and I still have to complete my five years on the parliamentary term,” she said.

The Prime Minister said there was no comparison between the situation of Warner and that of former United National Congress financiers Ishwar Galbaralsingh and Steve Ferguson.

Businessmen Galbaransingh and Ferguson had appeared before this country’s courts on fraud charges relating to the Piarco Airport construction project.

The decision by then Attorney General Anand Ramlogan to extradite the men was quashed by Justice Aronnie Boodoosingh. Persad-Bissessar said comments being made regarding efforts to extradite Warner and efforts to prevent Galbaransingh and Ferguson from same, were unjustified as, while there were some similarities, they were still very different matters.

“The process is the same which is to say the request has been made by the government of the United States to the Government of Trinidad and Tobago for the provisional arrest and extradition (of Warner).

“That provisional request is then taken before a magistrate for the magistrate to have issued a local warrant for the arrest of the person, and thereafter fix a date for the hearing of the extradition proceedings,” she explained.

The Prime Minister said there were the same proceedings in both matters as in both cases, extradition request was signed by the Attorney General after which the matter went to court.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Sando prince on May 29, 2015, 01:09:12 PM

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Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on May 31, 2015, 08:23:15 AM
Aussies want back $2.9m
By Camini Marajh (Express).


Senator writes US AG Lynch on stolen FAA funds

The controversial US$462,200 (TT$2.93 million) payment made by the Football Federation Australia (FFA) to former CONCACAF boss (the ruling football body for North and Central America and the Caribbean) Jack Warner in the run-up to the 2010 vote on World Cup hosting rights, was done through an international money transfer service based in the United Kingdom, a source close to the US corruption investigation into organised crime in world football has said.

Significantly, the September 16, 2010 cheque issued by Travelex Global Business Payments, to a US-dollar Concacaf account at Republic Bank in Port of Spain, does not identify the FFA as the source of funds and was paid by Travelex through correspondent bank, BNY Mellon (Bank of New York) located at the corner of Wall Street and Broadway in Manhattan's Financial District.

The US source, who spoke on condition of strict anonymity, told the Sunday Express that the payment documents associated with the FFA US$462K donation for a Trinidad stadium upgrade and which ended up in Warner's pockets, failed to disclose the FFA's identity as the source of funds.

Australia has spent about US$40 million on its failed bid to host the 2022 World Cup.

The source of funds declaration submitted on the Travelex/Republic Bank transaction erroneously identifies the source of the US$462,200 payment as "sponsorship from Travelex Global Business Payments," according to the source.

The US-dollar CONCACAF bank account which was controlled by the influential Caribbean football jefe and voting member of FIFA, the world governing body for football, was also used by Warner to conduct a slew of private transactions.

The April 18, 2013 CONCACAF Integrity Committee Report which made corrupt conduct findings against Warner, including fraud and misappropriation of money, also spoke about the theft of funds from the FFA.

"On or about September 23, 2010, the FFA provided US$462,200 to Concacaf to support the upgrade of the Marvin Lee Stadium at the Centre of Excellence. These funds were provided through Australia's Football Development Programme in connection with its 2022 FIFA World Cup bid," said the report.

The Sunday Express was told, however, that the Travelex-issued cheque was deposited into the Republic Bank account # 000211059222 on September 23, 2010 although the CONCACAF report talked about an FFA cheque.

The report said this about the transaction: "The funds from the FFA were provided by cheque made out to CONCACAF and deposited into a bank account maintained at Republic Bank, Trinidad."

"The funds, however, were not accounted for in the CONCACAF general ledger or reported as income in its financial statements for 2010. Although the Committee was unable to locate records evidencing how this money was spent, bank records show that Warner commingled his personal funds in the same account to which the FFA payment was deposited," said the Sir David Simmons-led Integrity Committee investigative report which accused Warner of systemic corruption and self-dealing during his 20-year reign of CONCACAF.

Frank Lowy, chairman of the FFA, was not immediately available for comment about the method of payment used by the Australian football association or why the payment documents identify Travelex and not the FFA as the source of funds or why the FFA would ignore Australia's large swathe of rundown stadiums to help Warner out.

And although FIFA's rules disallowed bid committees or any of their associations from giving gifts to FIFA officials or trying to influence the vote in any way, several bidding nations, including Australia, provided expensive gifts to the former high-flying FIFA executive and Member of Parliament for Chaguanas West.

As reported previously by this reporter, Bonita Mersiades, former corporate affairs manager of the FFA turned whistleblower, was instructed to buy a pearl pendant for Warner's wife Maureen after the bid rules were issued by the world football governing body.

"At the time I bought them I sent a note to my boss and to Frank Lowy more or less saying that I felt very uncomfortable buying this necklace at this time as it fell outside the FIFA guidelines. I don't consider a US$2,000 gift to be incidental but the reaction to the note was to be told not to write a note like that again," said Mersiades, in a 2014 interview with the Sunday Express.

Mersiades is among the growing list of prominent nationals to call on the Australian police for a criminal investigation into the theft of FFA's US$462,200 payment to Warner. Nick Xenophon, an Independent senator, has also asked for a police probe.

Following the dramatic arrests in Zurich on Wednesday, he told the Australian media that he has written to US Attorney General Loretta Lynch requesting that the US Department of Justice investigate the FFA payment made to indicted former FIFA official Warner.

"That US$500,000 was meant for upgrading sporting facilities in Trinidad and Tobago, not for Mr Warner's personal use. Australia deserves that money back ASAP," he said.

Lynch, in detailing the US$150 million bribery and corruption scheme involving top football administrators worldwide, argued that: "Bribe money takes soccer fields and balls away from kids in developing countries who were meant to be the recipients of FIFA's marketing and TV revenue."

The Sunday Express was told that shortly after the FFA payment disguised as coming from the European money transfer service, Travelex, Warner received another US$1 million payment in the same Republic Bank account from an entity identified as OAS African Investments Ltd.

The payment was made through a BVI (British Virgin Islands) account with a PO Box address.

There was another substantial BVI deposit, this one from Park House Capital Ltd, Offshore Inc, also for US$1 million, according to the source.

Warner has repeatedly denied any wrongdoing and has blasted US authorities for what he described as malicious prosecution.

The US indictment which was unsealed on Wednesday revealed the alleged corrupt role Warner played in connection with his positions in FIFA, CONCACAF and myriad other football associations, including the Caribbean Football Union, LOC Germany 2006 Ltd and the national football federation which we reported has more than a $100 million missing in World Cup income.

And as reported in a special investigative series published in this newspaper, Warner used parallel bank accounts in the names of key football bodies to conduct cash raids of football money he controlled in a multitude of bank accounts.

The eight-count indictment against him details allegations of bribery, wire fraud and money laundering over more than two decades.

Jack comes out ‘swinging’
By Renuka Singh (Guardian).


‘The time has come for me to stop being coy...I’ll tell all’

Independent Liberal Party (ILP) leader Jack Warner is now a man with “nothing to lose” after spending a night at the Remand Yard prison in Port-of-Spain, on Wednesday.

Warner, in an interview with the Sunday Guardian, said his direct aim was at Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar, even as his past association with football governing body, Fifa, could end up harming his own political career.

Warner has come out of his short prison stint swinging, telling the Sunday Guardian that his loyalty to Persad-Bissessar is over.

“I have nothing to lose anymore,” Warner said.

Warner has been the focus of widespread media reports since the US-based Federal Bureau of Investigations (FBI) arrested several high-ranking Fifa officials in Zurich, Switzerland, on Tuesday. Fourteen Fifa officials in total were held on corruption charges and criminal proceedings have opened relating to the award of the World Cups in 2018 to Russia and 2022 to Qatar.

Warner said the Prime Minister made “deliberate” attempts to embarrass him since his overnight detention, including reading out the list of charges against him into the Hansard records in Parliament on Wednesday.

“That was deliberate and totally unnecessary. Not once has the Prime Minister shown any reciprocity of the respect I had accorded her and even when I went to Parliament on Friday to add my explanation to the Hansard, I saw a minister trying to tell the House Speaker to shut me up,” Warner said.

“The time has come for me to stop being coy,” Warner said.

Since parting ways with the Government back in 2013 Warner had often threatened to reveal details of the inner workings of the Government under Persad-Bissessar, but always stopped short of actually disclosing the more salacious details he claimed to have on the People’s Partnership.

When asked why those details were only now being ventilated, Warner said despite the almost two-year fall out with the People’s Partnership, he still felt a sense of “collective responsibility” to the party.

“The Prime Minister, even after I left the Government, I felt no ill-will towards her. I felt that she was surrounded by people who did not have her best interest and she was taking bad advice so she still had my loyalty and my sense of collective responsibility. Now this no longer exists,” he said.

Back in 2013, Warner’s name was at the centre of allegations of financial mismanagement while president of Concacaf and vice-president of Fifa. He had already resigned from all football posts in 2011 amid revelations of a cash-for-votes bribery scandal involving fellow Fifa official Qatari billionaire Mohamed bin Hammam and members of the Caribbean Football Union, which Warner headed.

But while Persad-Bissessar had seemingly turned a deaf ear on previous calls for Warner’s dimissal, she could not ignore the Concacaf Integrity Committee’s detailed report in which Sir David Simmons presented findings with regards to allegations of million-dollar financial mismanagement by Warner and former Concacaf general secretary Chuck Blazer.

The committee met in Panama and returned with the findings that both Warner and Blazer were “white-collar thieves”.

Warner believes now that it is his previous hesitation that “lulled” Persad-Bissessar into a false sense of complacency.

“But I am very prepared to tell all now. In fact I have already handed over several documents to my lawyers and other lawyers that I trust just in case anything happens to me,” he said.

Warner said the reports of threats on his life were real and he had taken those precautionary steps.

Like many of his supporters, Warner is questioning the timing of the international raid and of his own arrest.

“It comes at a time when both Fifa and this country is facing an election and I think it is quite clear that I have been targeted by this Government because all of a sudden they are rushing to comply with the US,” he said.

“They are dancing a jig for a gif, rushing to be complicit with the same US they have been fighting in other extradition matters,” Warner said.

Warner scoffed at Persad-Bissessar’s claim that he did not contribute financially to her campaign.

“I have asked my accountant to pull together the documents; the proof is there,” he said.

Warner said he speaks with his two sons, Daryan and Daryl, every night and despite facing their own legal issues over this same Fifa matter, “they are in good spirits, they are OK.”

PM over Jack's statements: Slanderous and untrue.
By Carolyn Kissoon (Express).


"Slanderous and untrue".

That was how Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar yesterday described statements made against her by Independent Liberal Party (ILP) political leader Jack Warner.

And the statements have been placed in the hands of her attorneys, she said.

Persad-Bissessar said the allegations made by Warner at a media conference and on a poiltical platform were defamatory and totally untrue.

She was speaking to reporters at the Sanatan Dharma Maha Sabha (SDMS) 170th Indian Arrival Day celebrations at Parvati Girls' Hindu College in Debe yesterday.

Persad-Bissessar said, "I did get a copy of what he actually said. I have placed his slanderous statements in the hands of my lawyers, there is absolutely no truth in the words I heard him speak on a press interview and from his platform."

Persad-Bissessar said she was not threatened by Warner's statements as her hands were clean and her heart pure.

"It is in the hands of my lawyers, the statements are totally untrue and go beyond being untrue but slanderous and defamatory. This matter is not about me. The predicament he has found himself in has nothing to do with me and therefore he should concentrate his defence with respect to the matters being brought against him."

She denied ever meeting with any contractor seeking finances for the party's 2010 election campaign.

And she was adamant that Warner did not fund her campaign.

Hear an excerpt from Jack Warner's cottage meeting

"I did not meet with the contractors as he said and ask them for money. I never received any money from Jack Warner. He has now gone on to make another allegation that he was present where I met contractors and said Miss (Stacy) Roopnarine was there and then he said it was after we opened the roads. So how could we be opening a road if we were in campaign for the 2010 election. We can only open a road after the election is completed," she said.

Asked if she was concerned by Warner's threats to release videos against her, Persad-Bissessar said he was simply ranting and raving.

"I am not worried at all. If you recall every single year and even before I became Prime Minsiter the gentleman has threatened. I don't see it as threats, I see them as ranting and raving. He has always threatened about having files. He then comes and says he has no files and now he says he has more files. I am not concerned about those," she said.

Persad-Bissessar also remarked on Warner's statement that the gloves were off, claiming that he will reveal information on her.

She said, "Some people say, but I am not of that view, they agreed that the gloves are off and he may be clearing the way for the handcuffs. I don't agree with that because a man is presumed innocent until proven guilty. He has all of the due process of law to go forward and prove his innocence."

Persad-Bissessar said when there were allegations about corruption among FIFA executives, including Warner, there was no evidence to fire him from the People's Partnership Government.

"But when there was evidence I acted. When the allegations turned into evidence with the David Simmons report I requested and received his resignation. I think I acted in good standing with respect to that matter," she said.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on May 31, 2015, 08:44:44 AM
Aussies want dey $$$ back? Steups. How about ... at the appropriate time ... slice $463k from the account and finally allocate it to the use for which it was allegedly intended?
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: AB.Trini on May 31, 2015, 10:05:23 PM

Lawd- hush nah  doh say no more - people want to see this man play "hang Jack"

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8N0Br7MYiOs
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Socapro on June 01, 2015, 04:49:49 AM

Lawd- hush nah  doh say no more - people want to see this man play "hang Jack"

https://www.youtube.com/v/8N0Br7MYiOs

I think Jack referred to that article (whether it is a satirical or not) to add to his points that the USA is desperate to host a FIFA World Cup and is not too happy that they did not win their bid to host it in 2022 which everyone knows is true.
The premise of Jack’s argument is not based on that article and Jack referring to that satirical article was simply meant to add to the points he already made.

I am not a defender of Jack Warner but he made some valid points in that video. His only error was referring to that particular satirical article to add to his points.
Title: Turning a blind eye
Post by: Socapro on June 01, 2015, 07:41:10 AM
Turning a blind eye (http://www.ttoc.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4833:turning-a-blind-eye-&catid=2:latest-news&Itemid=233&utm_content=bufferca155&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer)
Monday, 01 June 2015 08:33 (TTOC.org)

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Jack Warner ILP Leader

ON MAY 27th an early-dawn raid at a posh Swiss hotel brought nine bigwigs from FIFA, football’s international governing body, into custody for allegations of corruption. After years when the game’s leaders managed to avoid any consequences for their unsavoury mismanagement, fans around the world cheered the round-up as a first step towards cleaning up the sport. But the American indictment that put these seemingly untouchable fat cats in the dock had nothing to do with FIFA’s best-known dirty laundry, such as the awarding of the 2022 World Cup to Qatar. Instead, it focused entirely on wrongdoing by officials in the Americas, and in particular on CONCACAF, one of the relative weaklings among FIFA’s six constituent continental federations, which includes North and Central America and the Caribbean. The two biggest fish, Jeffrey Webb and Austin “Jack” Warner (pictured)—the current CONCACAF president and his predecessor—hail from two of the smallest countries in the world, the Cayman Islands and Trinidad and Tobago.

Given CONCACAF’s relatively modest stature, the American prosecutors’ focus on the federation is striking. They say that further investigations are still underway, and it would be no surprise if they subsequently reveal additional targets—though any FIFA officials with skeletons in their closets who escaped the first round of arrests will now presumably take extra care to review extradition agreements before they travel. If the dragnet does not wind up extending beyond this group, the simplest explanation would be that the Justice Department took the greatest interest in its local federation. (There is one American among the defendants, Charles “Chuck” Blazer, who has already pleaded guilty.) Another potential reason is that illicit money flows from the region Americans once condescendingly called their “backyard” are more likely to pass through the United States’ financial system—one of the grounds on which the Justice Department claimed jurisdiction—than are similar payments originating from Europe, Asia or Africa. The third theory is that the lords of Caribbean football simply happened to be sloppier in covering up their tracks than their counterparts abroad.

Football is a relative newcomer to the Caribbean sporting scene. Historically, its Anglophone islands have focused on cricket—the “Windies” team dominated much of the 1980s—while the Spanish-speaking countries, such as Cuba and the Dominican Republic, preferred baseball. But in recent years the world’s favourite game has made significant inroads. That owes largely to globalisation, as the colonial past of the British Commonwealth islands fades further into the rearview mirror. But CONCACAF itself has also played an important role.

The federation is an ungainly beast, consisting of two giants (the United States and Mexico) alongside Canada, a dozen smallish countries and 26 tiny Caribbean nations with populations of less than a million. Its smallest member, the British overseas territory of Montserrat, has just 5,000 people and a bad-tempered volcano. Just as in the UN General Assembly, each country gets one vote regardless of its size. As a result, the Caribbean bloc has banded together to out-vote its larger neighbours and secure a comfortably outsize share of the federation’s budget.

For over two decades, Mr Warner was both the architect and the operations manager of this redistributive scheme, to the benefit of both Caribbean footballing nations and, apparently, himself. By controlling so many votes in both CONCACAF and FIFA, he made himself a power broker with the ability to bestow or withhold the organisations’ funds largely as he saw fit. That in turn enabled him to prop up small-island officials when they faced grass-roots rebellions, ensuring their loyalty. Thanks to his ability to direct the largesse in his native Trinidad and Tobago and the prominent public role his perch offered, he also became involved in politics: he once chaired the United National Congress, the current ruling party, and served as minister of works and transport after being elected to Parliament in 2010 by a landslide.

Mr Warner hit his first speed bump in May 2011, following a Caribbean football meeting in Trinidad ahead of FIFA’s presidential election that was organised to support the challenger, Mohammed bin Hamman of Qatar. Envelopes each containing $40,000 in banknotes were distributed at the event; a Bahamian delegate photographed the money, and complained of the “insult” to the Caribbean. Mr Warner promptly resigned from his football-related posts, which forestalled a FIFA inquiry into his actions; 32 others either also resigned or were warned, reprimanded, fined or banned for varying periods. An investigation by the Trinidadian police went nowhere.

Mr Warner’s exit from football had little effect on his political fortunes at first. He was named Trinidad and Tobago’s minister of national security well after the envelopes scandal broke—though he later had to resign following a CONCACAF enquiry into the ownership of a sports complex, which found that using a “balance of probabilities” standard, he had committed fraud and misappropriated funds. Nonetheless, he quickly bounced back by resigning from Parliament, forming a new party, and winning his seat back in the subsequent by-election, this time with 69% of the vote.

It remains an open question whether even the American indictment can ensnare him. He did spend the night of May 27th in Port of Spain’s forbidding Frederick Street prison because his bail, though agreed to, was not yet paid. But he forcefully maintains his innocence, and can fight his extradition all the way to the Privy Council in London, which remains Trinidad and Tobago’s final court of appeal. Two local business figures, Steve Ferguson and Ishwar Galbaransingh, have successfully resisted extradition to America since 2005; they have spent a lot of money on lawyers, but remain free.

Trinidad and Tobago’s parliament will dissolve next month, with a general election expected in September. At the very least Mr Warner is likely to lose his seat. But he still has supporters who see him as the man who made the small islands a powerful force in world football, and who spruced up the neighbourhood sports ground. If the money to do that was bilked from foreigners, all the better. In this view, America’s indictments are simply a politically motivated plot, perhaps to confound Russia’s 2018 World Cup, or avenge the failed American bid to play host in 2022. The Caribbean public is well accustomed to patronage networks. Given the region’s demonstrated apathy towards corruption and incompetence in general, fans are highly unlikely to return their affections to cricket in protest against a bit of palm-greasing.
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Sando prince on June 01, 2015, 09:56:55 PM
Jamaican media giving their 2 cents too. This article went viral on FB

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/editorial/What-was-Prime-Minister-Persad-Bissessar-thinking_19047615


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But we can ask what was the political thinking of Trinidadian Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar when she forged a close political alliance with Mr Warner for the general election of 2010, after persistent public allegations about his conduct in the affairs of CONCACAF and FIFA, leading to his resignation from posts in both organisations.

Although he had not been formally charged or convicted of any crime, there was certainly enough smoke for any reasonable person to surmise that there may be some fire. In such a situation, why would a politically astute and seasoned politician take the risk of close association with Mr Warner?

What was Mrs Persad-Bissessar thinking when she allowed him to become chairman of the United National Congress (UNC) Alliance? Was it the fact that Mr Warner is an Afro-Trinidadian and could racially balance the Indo-Trinidadian UNC party?

Further, it begs the question what was the prime minister thinking when she appointed Mr Warner minister of works and transport in 2010? He continued in the post even after he had to resign from his top positions in FIFA and CONCACAF in 2011 under a barrage of accusations of fraud and misconduct.
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Sando prince on June 02, 2015, 01:10:55 AM
Jack we want the whole truth

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20150602/news/rowley-warner-must-tell-the-whole-truth

Rowley: Warner must tell the 'whole truth'
PNM leader wants answers on Section 34
By Joel Julien (Express).


EMBATTLED Member of Parliament Jack Warner must tell the "whole truth" about the Section 34 fiasco so the country can determine if there is any merit to his claims that Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar has unduly influenced his extradition matter, Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley said yesterday.

Speaking at an Independent Liberal Party (ILP) cottage meeting in Chaguanas last Thursday night mere hours after being released from prison, Warner said, "Kamla having jailed me, as of tonight the gloves are off."

Rowley was asked for his take on these issues at a news conference at the Office of the Opposition Leader at Charles Street in Port of Spain yesterday.

"If there is any truth in that Mr Warner is in a position to tell us the whole truth and nothing but the truth, and I draw your attention to how this said Government dealt with Section 34 and the other two financiers when Mr Warner was in the Cabinet, and it is my view that Mr Warner has information which can elucidate for us what happened with Section 34 in a Cabinet of which he was a part," Rowley said.

"And what I would say to Mr Warner on that subject is if he wants to tell us the story, tell us the whole story.

“Two other financiers got themselves virtually freed from judicial action because the Cabinet took actions in the Parliament, at the level of the Cabinet, at the Office of the President with an outcome in the court under the infamous Section 34 action of this Government to ensure that those financiers did not have their day in court as they should have had, and if he is handled differently now and he wants to complain about his treatment he must tell us the whole story so we can compare apples with the oranges that he talking about," he said.

Rowley likened the indictment against Warner as that of a family member being held for "something unpleasant" and therefore he feels "hurt and let down".

"It is very much like a family member being held for something unpleasant and while you may not as a member of that family have done it yourself and can be held accountable, there is a feeling of being hurt and let down because as a nation we are a family, and if we are so represented we can feel nothing but hurt. But as we say, there is the presumption of innocence until proven guilty so we need to temper our expressions and it is something we would have preferred not to have been attached to us," Rowley said.

Rambachan's comment shocking
 
Rowley yesterday dismissed calls by Works and Infrastructure Minister Dr Suruj Rambachan, the United National Congress' deputy political leader, for the People's National Movement (PNM) to explain its position with Warner and the Independent Liberal Party (ILP) in the light of the indictment facing Warner.

Rowley described Rambachan's comment as "shocking" since Warner was once Persad-Bissessar's "rock and confidant" and held several positions of power, both in the UNC and in the Cabinet.

Warner was always "stoutly defended" by Persad-Bissessar up to his resignation in April 2013, Rowley said.

"We will brook no defence of the PNM with respect to Mr Warner's personal problems. I take no pleasure in Mr Warner's suffering and his family's pain and I trust that he will be subject of free and fair judicial processes in Trinidad and Tobago and outside of Trinidad and Tobago and wherever it is now, let the law take its course," Rowley said.

Rowley said it is "disingenuous" for persons to try to create a "specific association" between the PNM and the ILP.

"I did see some persons making an issue of the fact that I shook Mr Warner's hand when he turned up in the march and extended his hand to me. I was too well brought up not to have manners and Mr Warner visiting Diego Martin West, he is a parliamentary colleague and if I shake his hand I don't know that should be a problem. I would be quite disappointing to my grandparents who raised me if I did otherwise," he said.


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"If there is any truth in that Mr Warner is in a position to tell us the whole truth and nothing but the truth, and I draw your attention to how this said Government dealt with Section 34 and the other two financiers when Mr Warner was in the Cabinet, and it is my view that Mr Warner has information which can elucidate for us what happened with Section 34 in a Cabinet of which he was a part," Rowley said.

"And what I would say to Mr Warner on that subject is if he wants to tell us the story, tell us the whole story.

“Two other financiers got themselves virtually freed from judicial action because the Cabinet took actions in the Parliament, at the level of the Cabinet, at the Office of the President with an outcome in the court under the infamous Section 34 action of this Government to ensure that those financiers did not have their day in court as they should have had, and if he is handled differently now and he wants to complain about his treatment he must tell us the whole story so we can compare apples with the oranges that he talking about," he said.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on June 02, 2015, 08:31:50 AM
Letter to the editor: I'll say a prayer for Warner instead
(Trinidad Express)


Government's prompt action in initiating proceedings to extradite Jack Warner to the US to answer charges of money laundering, among other allegations, is exemplary and augurs well for diplomacy.

This country's image has taken a severe blow, regarding its problems in extraditing Ish Galbaransingh and Steve Ferguson to the US to face charges of bribery and corruption in the Piarco airport project. In light of Mr Warner's impending extradition, many have taken to social media to express this seeming contradiction.

I, like many, refuse to gloat over Mr Warner's predicament.

If our laws and tolerance levels regarding graft and corruption of public funds and resources were as stringent as the US, our jails would be perhaps crammed with public officials.

In spite of recent hostilities between Prime Minister Mrs Kamla Persad-Bissessar and Mr Warner, I admire her for her succinct and sympathetic comment, "It gives me no pleasure," for which, in my mind, she has scored high points.

Surely, the PM remembers the public affection and unwavering respect shown towards her by Mr Warner, and the many times he had implicitly defended her actions, even at his own peril. Some will even say he played a vital role in her journey to the office of Prime Minister. And, too, Mr Warner's exhaustive efforts in bringing the Partnership to office is no secret.

Mr Warner's unprecedented commitment to his constituents is well documented, and based on reports, countless persons have benefited from his charitable deeds. Conversely, there are those among us who choose to use their questionable wealth selfishly.

FIFA's wealth and allegations of money laundering is for FIFA and the US Department of Justice to sort out. Those who wish to revel in Mr Warner's dilemma are free to do so. I prefer to say a prayer for him.

RP Joseph
San Fernando
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on June 02, 2015, 08:57:20 AM
Opinion editorial: Thanks for the memories, Jack
Marlon Miller (Trinidad Express)


AUSTIN Jack Warner has been disgraced, jailed and spoofed in just a few days. Where will it all end?

He has kept his faithful followers on his side despite his incarceration, but his sad story has descended to even more of a farce since The Onion got him.

That has led to tears all over the world, not ones of sympathy for Mr Warner but of uncontrolled laughter at his buffoonery.

Is there anyone out there who wants to take him off our hands, that is, if he is allowed to travel anywhere.

Doesn’t he have some Grenadian roots, like Dr Conrad Murray, the late Michael Jackson’s personal physician.

What about Qatar? They must have an air-conditioned suite for him. Or I’m sure his buddy Vladimir Putin would welcome him with open arms

Or maybe we can just enforce a media blackout on the ex-FIFA vice-president, but then we would miss priceless gems like his reaction to the Onion spoof, amazed at how a well-travelled fellow such as he could be taken in so easily.

He who kept company with kings and prime ministers, sheiks and presidents, billionaires and bandits, jetting from one exotic location to the next.

Now he is moving by car or ambulance from the Port of Spain Magistrates’ Court to the jail on Frederick Street to an Independent Liberal Party meeting in Chaguanas, where they still treat him like a hero.

After all, he was the former minister of national security and he even acted as prime minister on a few occasions, so he has long been put on a pedestal in Trinidad and Tobago.

Soon, if it hasn’t happened already, if you Google T&T, the country’s bio will appear alongside a mug shot of Jack Warner.

But we look for it, eh?

First voting for him and later putting him in charge of national security, all while the FBI was on his case.

Marina Hyde, a columnist with the UK Guardian, wrote that a bank in the Cayman Islands “actually refused to process a payment from Mohamed bin Hammam’s firm to Warner or his sons on the basis that it looked too dodgy”.

That deal was then transferred to a bank in New York, which is when the Feds got interested.

Yet despite all those who warned Mrs Kamla Persad-Bissessar that she was making a mistake to appoint Mr Warner as a minister, the Prime Minister went ahead, embarrassing us all through what has since come to pass.

And now he is threatening to take off the gloves in his battle with the PM, who is being blamed for the timing of his indictment, with everything leading up to the 2015 general election.

But four years ago when Warner left FIFA in disgrace, he threatened then to unleash a tsunami against football’s governing body, but he is now the one being swept into the courthouse, with the US agents waiting to take him away.

That process could drag on for a long time, with Mr Warner likely to appeal all the way to the Privy Council, which will cost him a pretty penny.

But no amount of money can take away the shame he has caused us through the years, although he would be quick to remind you of the good he has done for the country, none more so than taking us to the 2006 World Cup.

Then he came back with the Soca Warriors baying for his blood, suing him to keep a monetary promise he made in the heady moments after Trinidad and Tobago’s draw with Sweden in our debut at the Copa Mundial.

He couldn’t keep his own players happy, which should have sounded warning bells for anyone thinking of putting him in a position of authority in the government of the day.

Instead, he will forever be described as “the former minister” anytime his name appears on the front pages of newspapers around the globe, reminding us that we not only lauded him all these years but promoted him to high office.

Before, if you told a foreigner you were from Trinidad and Tobago, they would associate you with Brian Lara or Hasely Crawford, Dwight Yorke or George Bovell III, Penny Commissiong or Wendy Fitzwilliam. Only sports fans might be aware of them, though, or those who watch beauty shows, but in Jack Warner’s case, everyone has gotten to know him and T&T.

One of the main suspects in the biggest scandal in world sport.

And he’s born and bred right here in T&T…and they won’t ever let us forget it
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: AB.Trini on June 02, 2015, 06:55:54 PM

In a not so shocking move- it would now appear that reflecting on Mr. Warner's  video   with the satirical paper reference, or it could have been the one where he was interviewed by a foreign journalist, he made a comment to the effect that how could the head of FIFA be ignorant of all those under  his watch  who were  allegedly corrupt and yet he Remained untarnished?

Using that logic, it almost makes you wonder about  the number of ex ministers in our present government who were dismissed yet the leader  is crystal clean of any misdeeds or errors in judgement?
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 03, 2015, 02:13:41 AM
ILP leader paid $1.7m to Ross Advertising one month before 2010 elections.
By Asha Javeed (Express).


JACK CHEQUES IN

One month before the May 2010 general election, a company owned by former FIFA vice-president and Chaguanas West MP Jack Warner paid Ross Advertising five cheques totalling $1,719, 215.75.

Ross is the advertising agency which handled the People's Partnership's 2010 election campaign.

On April 14, 2010, Jamad Ltd, whose address is 113 Edward Street, Port of Spain, wrote a cheque to Ross Advertising for $1 million.

On April 21, 2010, four other cheques of varying sums—$195,220.55, $155,250, $97,750 and $270,995.20 were also made out to Ross Advertising.

The cheques, which show Jamad's home bank as Republic Bank, Tragarete Road, were all deposited on April 21 at Republic's Long Circular Mall branch.

The cheques surfaced without explanation on social media yesterday, after they were allegedly leaked by Warner, with the promise of “more to come”. They also appear in the Sunshine newspaper.

What the cheques don't state is what service Ross Advertising, owned by Ernie Ross, rendered for the People's Partnership as no invoices were attached.

Given Ross's relationship in handling the Partnership's election campaign, do the cheques represent money which Warner pumped into the campaign?

Last Thursday, after he was released from prison, Warner stated at a political meeting that he intends to go after Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar and reveal all through a tape which he will give to four lawyers.

“Everything I have against Kamla I will bring it out. I have kept it back too long and I will bring it out,” Warner had said.

PM responds

The question was again put to the Prime Minister yesterday.

Last week, Persad-Bissessar said she never received any money from Warner to fund either her own or the United National Congress (UNC) election campaigns.

In a brief telephone call yesterday, she insisted: “I, Kamla, received no money from Jack Warner. That is the God's truth. I cannot speak to any contractual arrangement the gentleman would have had with Ross Advertising or any other advertising agency.”

She did point out that as a candidate for Chaguanas West in the 2010 election, Warner funded his own campaign.

For his part, Ross would only say: “There is no comment. It's a non-story. I have no other comment.”

Copies to Lynch

Leader of Government Business Roodal Moonilal said he intends to forward copies of the cheques in circulation to US Attorney General Loretta Lynch.

Last week Lynch announced that Warner was included in a 47-count indictment that was unsealed at the federal court in Brooklyn, New York, charging 14 defendants with “racketeering, wire fraud and money laundering conspiracies, among other offences, in connection with the defendants' participation in a 24-year scheme to enrich themselves through the corruption of international soccer.”

“I have taken note of cheques circulating reporting to be a cheque by Mr Warner. His name is not on it so I assume that it's a company that he is affiliated to and made out to Ross Advertising and I just want to be clear that Mr Ross Advertising is free to conduct business with Mr Warner of with the many companies that Mr Warner is involved in,” said Moonilal.

“I am making a copy of that cheque and sending it personally to the US Attorney General Loretta Lynch. I am sure she'll not only be interested in where the cheque went to but where the source of funds came from and I am asking Mr Warner to make more evidence available to Loretta Lynch who has a big interest in those matters,” he said.

“Mr Warner's problem is not Kamla, its Loretta. I think the sooner he wakes up to that reality the better for him,” he said.

“The statement made by the Prime Minister stands unimpeachable. The Prime Minister herself has not received any money from Mr Warner, or the UNC. Ross Advertising works for several businesses and business persons. He is free as part of his commercial relationship to work with any client at any time,” he said.

Warner mum

Meanwhile, Warner is keeping the reasons for releasing the cheques close to his chest.

At least until tonight at 7:30 when his party hosts a political meeting.

In a text message response to the Express, Warner said yesterday: “No comment at this time. 7.30 p.m. tomorrow.”

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Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: royal on June 03, 2015, 10:20:02 PM
ah taught Jack tonight in marabella would have said he was stepping down as political leader of the ILP but instead he was just grande charging.
If Jack had the interest of his party he will step aside and deal with his issues.he could even be in a familiar role of special adviser.
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 04, 2015, 01:54:29 AM
Jack claims Fifa $$$ funded PP.
T&T Guardian Reports.


Embattled former Fifa vice-president and Independent Liberal Party (ILP) leader Jack Warner is now saying that there is a link between Fifa’s millions and the successful People’s Partnership political campaign in 2010.

During an eight-minute address to the nation last night, Warner said he had compiled a series of cheques and supporting documents that corroborate his financial support to the PP's successful general campaign in 2010 and its link to Fifa. These documents have already been put in the hands of his attorneys.

“The link between Fifa, its funding and me, the link between Fifa, its funding and the United National Congress and the People’s Partnership government,” Warner said.

“These documents deal with the Section 34 fiasco, it also deals with my knowledge of the transactions at Fifa, including but not limited to its president Mr Sepp Blatter and lastly other matters involving the nation’s current Prime Minister.”

Warner said because he is now genuinely afraid for his life, he has passed the packet of documents on to several lawyers and the matter is now out of his hands.

“It is beyond even my own reach, retracting them is an impossibility. There can be no turning back,” he said.

He said his lawyers were making contact with local and foreign law enforcement officials based on the material contained in his statements.

“Even if these approaches do not bear fruit, my careful dissemination on the material to certain persons of standing in society means there can be no reversal,” he said, adding that this was a sad turn of events.

Warner apologised for not speaking out on these matters sooner and did not offer an explanation as to why he kept these ‘secrets’ away from the public.

“My judgement was initially that the People’s Partnership, as bad as it was, and still is, was better for this country than any other government, except possibly a government of the ILP,” he said.

“I will no longer keep secrets for them, I will no longer keep secrets for those persons who seek to actively destroy this country's hard-won international image.

“At the age of 72 years old, I have no intention of allowing them of depriving me of my freedom.”

Warner admitted that he had neglected his family for years and now they were experiencing a “turbulent future,” but said he had placed his own future in the hands of his constituents.

“I have told the truth in my statements and before you tonight, and with God’s grace, the people of this country will in due course make a judgement on the basis of what I said to them,” he said and asked for the people to pray for him and his family.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 04, 2015, 02:18:39 AM
Govt did not jail Jack
By VERNE BURNETT (Newsday)


Government yesterday denied any involvement in Jack Warner’s jailing last Wednesday.

The former FIFA vice president, leader of the Independent Liberal Party and Chaguanas West Member of Parliament, spent Wednesday night at the State Prison on Frederick Street, Port- of-Spain after he was unable to have his bail documents approved in time to allow his release on the charges unsealed by US Attorney General Loretta Lynch in Brooklyn last week accusing him of involvement in a 24-year scheme to enrich himself by corrupting football.

At a news conference yesterday at the offices of the Ministry of Trade, Industry, Investment and Communications at Nicholas Towers, Independence Square, Port-of-Spain, Government spokesman, Andy Johnson said Warner spent the night in jail simply because of his failure to complete his bail arrangements on time following his court appearance on charges of racketeering, wire fraud and money-laundering.

Johnson said Warner’s jail stay was due only “to the fact that the system closed down before those arrangements were completed and of course you know that they were completed the following day and Mr Warner left the prison. Mr Warner is seeking to make a link between the Government of Trinidad and Tobago — I have heard him at least once accusing the Prime Minister of putting him in jail — but nothing could be further from the truth. The political administration does not get involved in matters of this sort and the process takes its course and the process is taking its course. He went to court and was remanded to appear at a later date.”

Johnson said that at no stage did the political administration have anything to do with the matter. “That would have been highly inappropriate and irregular.” He condemned the extent to which he said not only Warner but several other people in the country continue to make a link between the Government and Warner “that is patently not correct.”

He said that because of the widespread accusations the Government felt it was necessary to make the point that “nothing having to do with the proximity of elections to be called in Trinidad and Tobago and Mr Warner’s estrangement from the Government of which he had been a part — none of that matters and relates to what has been happening with these indictments based on investigations by the United States authorities at all.”

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: kounty on June 04, 2015, 10:21:52 AM
Jack claims Fifa $$$ funded PP.
T&T Guardian Reports.


I will no longer keep secrets for those persons who seek to actively destroy this country's hard-won international image.

I wold be really interested in reading a book written by Warner before he die. In my opinion he understand the trinidadian (not necessarily tobagonian) psyche better than almost anybody, hence his 'success' as a politician.
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: E-man on June 04, 2015, 12:50:34 PM
Jack claims Fifa $$$ funded PP.
T&T Guardian Reports.


I will no longer keep secrets for those persons who seek to actively destroy this country's hard-won international image.

I wold be really interested in reading a book written by Warner before he die. In my opinion he understand the trinidadian (not necessarily tobagonian) psyche better than almost anybody, hence his 'success' as a politician.

Kind of like 'Mein Kampf'  ;)
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Deeks on June 04, 2015, 02:46:35 PM
I wold be really interested in reading a book written by Warner before he die. In my opinion he understand the trinidadian (not necessarily tobagonian) psyche better than almost anybody, hence his 'success' as a politician.

kounty, you honestly feel all Trinidadians gullible. Like any politician, he has his followers no matter what. And a politician with money to spread around will always attract waggonist.
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 05, 2015, 02:06:25 AM
Jack of all funds.
By Sharlene Rampersad (Guardian)


I paid for Moonilal’s wife’s education

Independent Liberal Party (ILP) leader Jack Warner says his support for the United National Congress (UNC) was not only limited to the party, as he now alleges he paid for deputy leader Dr Roodal Moonilal’s wife to study in London.

Warner, a former Fifa vice-president who was placed on Interpol’s “red notice” on Wednesday, made the claim during an ILP cottage meeting at Battoo Street, Marabella, on Wednesday night.

“Moonilal trying today to make my chairman name look bad and Moonilal trying to demean. Her and Moonilal of course forget that is I who pay to send his wife to school in London,” Warner alleged.

“And I must sit here and listen to Moonilal?”

Warner said while going through some of his documents, he found a receipt showing where he allegedly paid to rent a house in Santa Margarita for three months for the party. He said he also found a receipt where he gave the Tobago Organisation of the People (TOP) $350,000 on April 6, 2012, but said “Ashworth Jack will watch me and say I did not give him anything.”

He threw out a challenge to the Government to deny his claims, saying he had all the documents to show where his money was spent.

“Let them say I didn’t pay for a house for three months, let them say I didn’t give the TOP money, let them say I didn’t give Moonilal money for his wife’s education in London.

“I took a considerable amount of my resources, my resources Kamla, into supporting the person who is now your Prime Minister.”

Warner also said he has a number of tapes and documents on the link between the UNC’s 2010 campaign and Fifa funding that he will release soon.

“I have documents showing the link between Fifa funding and me, the link between Fifa, its funding the UNC and the PP Government in the general elections of 2010, documents on the Section 34 fiasco, documents on my knowledge of transactions at Fifa, including, and not limited to the President Sepp Blatter.”

He apologised to the country for not disclosing these matter sooner, but promised all would be brought to the light in the near future.

Making reference to members of the international media attending the meeting, Warner said they would only be in T&T until next week.

“Look at them, first time in your lives you may be seeing them in Marabella. Don’t worry, they will be gone by next week, they only here to see Jack Warner in handcuffs.”

Warner refused to field questions from the media after at the meeting and as soon as his speech was finished  he was hustled into a waiting vehicle by security.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 05, 2015, 02:06:53 AM
AG: Go to the police Jack.
By Clint Chan Tack (Newsday).


ATTORNEY General (AG) Garvin Nicholas yesterday advised Chaguanas West MP and Independent Liberal Party (ILP) political leader Jack Warner to take any evidence he has of alleged criminal wrongdoing to the Police and to the Integrity Commission, if necessary.

Nicholas made this comment in response to Warner’s promise to pass on information on Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar, the People’s Partnership Government, Section 34 and FIFA funding to local and international law enforcement agencies.

In a paid televised political broadcast on Wednesday night, Warner announced, “These documents treat with my knowledge and involvement in the following matters: the link between FIFA’s funding and me; the link between FIFA, its funding and the United National Congress and the People’s Partnership Government in general election 2010. These documents deal with the Section 34 fiasco. It also deals with my knowledge of financial transactions at FIFA, including, but not limited to its president, Mr Sepp Blatter. And lastly, other matters involving the nation’s current Prime Minister.” Warner, in the broadcast, said he has instructed his lawyers to “engage in the task of making contact with law enforcement authorities both inside as well as outside of Trinidad and Tobago with regards to the statements that I have made.”

Nicholas told Newsday, “I am not prepared to comment on accusations made on a political platform, save to say that if Mr Warner has evidence of wrongdoing on the part of anyone, he should take said evidence to the police and where relevant, the Integrity Commission for investigation and determination of these matters.”

The AG continued, “Merely making threats of releasing evidence is a mechanism that has been used in the past to create sensational headlines and is an effective diversion technique.”

Recalling the three and a half years which he spent in London as this country’s High Commissioner to the United Kingdom, Nicholas said, “I am uncomfortable about any damage that may be done to the image of Trinidad and Tobago.” Nicholas said as High Commissioner he did considerable work “building our international image and influence in the UK, Europe and the Commonwealth.”

However Nicholas said he was not as worried about the impact Warner’s latest statements could have on “local citizens.” He explained the reason for this was because, “I have faith in their ability to be discerning in such matters.”

On Wednesday, Warner was red flagged by Interpol for charges including racketeering, conspiracy and corruption in relation to his tenure as a FIFA executive. Warner’s attorney Rekha Ramjit, who is also ILP chairman, said, “The Red Notice is of absolutely no consequence or worth at this time because Warner has already been the subject of a provisional warrant which has been served.”

In a statement last Friday, Nicholas said, “Whilst I understand that this is an election year, I do not believe this is a matter which should be used for political gain and thus urge all parties involved and the public to respect the system and institutions involved and allow justice to take its course.”

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 05, 2015, 01:09:18 PM
Idris Elba Chosen To Play Jack Warner In 2017 “Trinidad Jack”
POSTED BY: LATE O'CLOCK NEWS


Recent FIFA scandals have not only shocked the world, but have moved the pens and pockets of Hollywood stalwarts. The story which has inspired them the most, however, is that of Jack Warner, the Afro-Trinidadian man who rose from being a secondary school teacher in a tiny Caribbean island easily overlooked on a map to a Vice President of FIFA, one of the most powerful organisations in the world. Our reliable sources tell us that Paramount Pictures has already begun gathering its crew and cast of A-list actors and actresses, and has secured Idris Elba to play the lead role of Jack Warner.

“This was just the obvious choice,” said Paramount Pictures CEO, Brad Grey. “This is probably the biggest scandal involving a non-profit organisation in the history of the world. As such, the movie deserves the best cast and crew. After we secured Martin Scorsese and Christopher Nolan to co-direct the screenplay co-written by Terence Winter and Vince Gilligan, it was only fitting that we respect the high level production value by choosing the sexiest man alive to play the lead role.”

Screenplay writer, Terence Winter, said the script basically wrote itself. “Jack Warner’s story is any writer’s paradise. So many things you can choose to highlight. There is his rags to riches story, the rise and fall of his FIFA career, his struggle and triumph over stuttering, the complicated relationship with his sons who are going to spend 20-years in jail, his role in financing the successful campaign of the People’s Partnership government in his home country and the list goes on and on.”

We asked the evidently excited Winter about the angle of the story. “I don’t want to give it away, but just know that the word ‘Kamla’ is said exactly 137 times in the movie. That is 24 times more than the word ‘nigger’ is said in Django Unchained. We are breaking records here.”

Vince Gilligan said he thinks this movie would be even better and give him more fulfillment than his multi-award winning series, “Breaking Bad.”

Lead actor, Idris Elba, says that he cannot wait to start filming. “A Trinidadian accent is a difficult thing to mimic in and of itself for a British fellow like me. On top of that, Jack Warner has a unique diction and his tongue is very heavy. I have been practicing day in and day out to get it right and I’m nowhere near it. This is definitely my most challenging role ever and it quite frankly makes me so excited I feel to tear my shirt off whenever I think about it.”

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Title: Warner, TT make world news headlines
Post by: Socapro on June 05, 2015, 07:34:43 PM
Warner, TT make world news headlines (http://www.newsday.co.tt/news/0,212189.html)
By Sasha Harrinanan Friday, June 5 2015 (T&T Newsday)

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Jack boxed in: Local and foreign journalists pile on top each other to interview ILP leader Jack Warner at a meeting in Marabella on Wednesday night. Warner, a former FIFA executive, is on eight charges in a FIFA corruption scandal.
Author: Anil Rampersad


The words “avalanche”, “Jack Warner”, “FIFA”, “Trinidad and Tobago” and even “2010 national election”, dominated international news broadcasts and reports yesterday.

The British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC), which has a team in Trinidad and Tobago, was among those with hourly reports on, and analysis of, Warner’s promise on television, radio and online following his Wednesday night declaration that “not even death will stop the avalanche that is coming” of his evidence of corruption at football’s world governing body.

Members of the local media, including veteran journalist Tony Fraser, were interviewed by the BBC about the unfolding corruption scandal in which Warner, a former FIFA vice-president, was among 14 individuals indicted for engaging in a corruption scheme at FIFA that authorities said involved more than US$150 million (£98.6 million) in bribes.

Haunting music played as BBC journalist Ed Thomas filed a report on Warner’s declarations while standing in front of the Port-of-Spain power station owned by the Power Generation Company of TT (PowerGen).

“Jack Warner no longer has the influence to attract the big names to his home town but he says after three decades at the heart of FIFA, he’s ready to reveal its secrets,” Thomas said.

Footage of Warner and David Beckham in Trinidad in 2010 aired as Thomas gave an overview of the former FIFA vice-president and former Concacaf president’s rise to power.

Saying Warner “is battling for his freedom” and describing the 72-year-old as “defiant and ready for a fight”, Thomas described as “dramatic”, the fall of one of football’s once most powerful figures.

“Jack Warner vows to bring down Sepp Blatter with an ‘avalanche’ of evidence,” was the headline chosen by the United Kingdom-based Telegraph newspaper yesterday while US- based Huffington Post wrote, “Former FIFA Vice President Jack Warner Promises ‘Avalanche’ Of Secrets.”

UK-based The Guardian newspaper chose to look at Warner’s claim of a link between FIFA funds and the successful general election campaign of the People’s Partnership (PP) coalition.

“The former Fifa vice-president Jack Warner has made an extraordinary television appearance in which he says he fears for his life and claims he will prove a link between soccer’s governing body and the national elections in his native Trinidad and Tobago. The claims come while Fifa struggles to cope with the ongoing fallout following corruption charges that were issued by US authorities against Warner and 13 other key football figures,” The Guardian wrote.

Like other news agencies, the newspaper noted that Warner has yet to produce any documentation to support his allegations, even as he on Wednesday revealed, “I reasonably actually fear for my life.”

“The stunning revelations out of Marabella, Trinidad come just hours after a transcript was made public of former FIFA executive Chuck Blazer’s admission,” The Guardian noted, “that he and other members of the all-powerful executive committee were bribed in return for voting for South Africa’s bid for the 2010 World Cup.”
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 06, 2015, 04:48:51 AM
Jack’s bodyguards manhandle press
Journalists cry assault
By Gail Alexander (Guardian).


A media melee was the best way to describe the scene outside Parliament yesterday, as embattled former Fifa frontliner Jack Warner fled from foreign media reporters who were manhandled by some of his companions after Warner refused to speak to the foreign press.

Foreign media personnel had come to T&T from Sky News in the UK, Associated Press (AP), Agence France Presse (AFP) and Al Jazeera to interview Warner on recent international events, including the US Justice Department’s move to indict him—along with other Fifa officials—on charges ranging from alleged bribery, corruption and racketeering to fraud.

Warner is now before the court following the execution of a provisional warrant last week and is also on Interpol’s “Wanted list.”

Yesterday, Warner had gone to the Parliament to participate in debate on a motion by Government concerning variation of 2015 finances. This involved shifting unused sums from certain divisions of Government to other areas to mainly fund payments and other matters up to September 2015. (See Page A5).

But Warner, who arrived late for the 10 am parliamentary sitting, was met by reporters outside the Parliament. In that episode, a camerawoman from AFP fell to the ground in her pursuit of Warner. She told the T&T Guardian that Warner’s bodyguard told her that she had “done that to herself.”

Other foreign media personnel—reporters and a producer—later joined local reporters in the parliament chamber, focusing on Warner, who sat through the morning’s debate silently with his head down. A big, burly man, part of his entourage, sat close by in the public gallery.

Local parliament reporters from the T&T Guardian, Express and Newsday sent Warner a note requesting an interview. But he sent back a note with the reply: “Regretfully I put a halt to all media interviews and I do thank you for your understanding.”

During the lunch break, local and foreign reporters then attempted to speak to Warner as he left the Parliament.

David Dowden, of London’s Sky News, asked Warner if he could speak with him. Warner tersely replied that he was in his Parliament and “I wouldn’t do this in your Parliament. Don’t do it in mine!”

Warner was escorted by police as he left the Parliament, and his companions—people who appeared to be his bodyguards—then surrounded him as he left through the parliament’s doors. It was the first time Warner’s companions had acted like bodyguards at the Parliament. When he arrived on previous occasions he had willingly spoken to local media and answered queries freely, mainly commenting on the People’s Partnership.

But yesterday, leaving the Parliament in the presence of the foreign media, Warner—companions closely following—didn’t seem as forthcoming.

As local and foreign media followed Warner away from the Parliament, Dowden attempted to speak to him. However, Warner’s companion, in a white T-shirt, loudly and harshly warned Dowden off, pushing his open palm in reporters’ faces and declaring, “No comments, no comments, no comments!”

Dowden persisted, “Excuse me, Mr Warner, why won’t you explain?...”

Warner’s companion, still blocking Dowden, insisted, “No comments, no comments!”

Dowden protested, “Don’t manhandle me...please.”

Dowden again asked Warner why he wouldn’t speak.

Warner’s companion, pushing him off bodily, bellowed, “No comments! No comments! No comments!”

Dowden asked him, “Will you stop pushing me please?”

The other large man at Warner’s side asked Dowden, “Why you doh go in yuh own country and behave like dat?”

AP cameraman Josh Rapogle took up the questioning as Warner’s group attempted to push Dowden aside.

“What do you have against Sepp Blatter?” Rapogle asked Warner

“No comments! No comments! No comments!” shouted Warner’s companion, pushing Rapogle’s equipment aside.

Rapogle warned, “Don’t touch my camera.”

He again pressed Warner, “What do you have against Sepp Blatter?”

Dowden also asked Warner, “Mr Warner as a Parliamentarian, do you think it’s right for your companions to assault me?”

Warner’s assistants replied to Dowden, “Move! Move! Move!”

“What gives you the right to assault me?” Dowden tried again.

He asked Warner, “Mr Warner why won’t you talk to us...if you’ve got nothing to hide, why won’t you talk to us?”

Reporters followed Warner to his car, still attempting to ask questions after he was seated inside, to no avail.

Warner didn’t immediately return to Parliament after lunch, but turned up later and contributed to debate on the variation motion, criticising Government heavily.

He also spoke about “exposing the Government” in his Sunshine newspaper, in response to which Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar said it was offensive to hear him speak about good governance and “condemning corruption,” whereupon she packed up her things and walked out.

No official extradition request yet—Nicholas

American authorities have not yet presented a formal request for former Fifa official Jack Warner’s extradition to the US, Attorney General Garvin Nicholas told reporters yesterday.

He said nothing had occurred to show that T&T would do anything but co-operate with the system in the issue and the courts would decide if Warner should be extradited, adding that it wasn’t for him to decide.

Asked by US reporters about Warner’s claims pertaining to Fifa funding and the T&T elections, Nicholas said Warner had made a lot of accusations over the years that had not been substantiated.

On Warner’s claims of “damaging” information about the Government regarding Section 34, Nicholas said if he had any evidence it should be taken to the police and the Integrity Commission, which was also part of T&T’s investigating structure.

Nicholas said Warner hadn’t presented his office with evidence of his claims and he wasn’t interested in anyone who made threats.

“That’s seeking headlines,” he said.

Nicholas said Warner was receiving the same treatment and procedures as Ish Galbaransingh, Steve Ferguson and others.

“We’re following it to the letter,” he said.

Nicholas also said if Warner had a genuine concern for his life he should go to the police, who would assess his vulnerability and provide security if they felt it necessary.

PP House leader Dr Roodal Moonilal, addressing Warner’s claims, said, “Mr Warner is a desperate man and this is a case of desperation leading to disillusion, I hope he co-operates with authorities and seeks to clear his name.”

Moonilal also said TTFF president Raymond Tim Kee yesterday made a “very irresponsible statement and failed to provide any evidence of any activity he claimed. I can’t remember the last time the UNC had a dinner banquet. I hope it wasn’t a private function and Mr Warner tried to defraud TTFF by claiming it was a UNC matter.”

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 06, 2015, 04:52:35 AM
Kamla to Jack: Stop humiliating T&T
By Richard Charan (Express).


PRIME Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar on Friday appealed to Jack Warner to stop bringing the country into shame, humiliation and disrepute.

Speaking in Parliament at the International Waterfront Port of Spain, where several members of the foreign media were seated, Persad-Bissessar said the country had, over a period of years, been able to establish itself on the world stage.

Now, she said, the entire globe was focused on Trinidad and Tobago “not for anything right and good”.

Persad-Bissessar said she had suffered “great distress…because of the actions of one man”.

Warner, the political leader of the Independent Liberal Party (ILP) and a former FIFA Vice President, has been indicted in the United States on charges of fraud, corruption and racketeering related to his time at FIFA.

On Wednesday, Warner said at a political meet, and in an address to the nation, that he had evidence which linked FIFA's money with funding for the Peoples Partnership general election campaign in 2010.

His claims have been widely reported in the international media.

Persad-Bissessar, who has denied using any of Warner's money to fund the campaign, said on Friday: “we worked so hard to grow that international image. Today, this image is under threat. One citizen has brought us into disrepute, shame and humiliation. We call upon that member from Chaguanas West, that he do all that he can to cooperate with US authorities”.

Warner was asked to give what information he had to US authorities and “end this very sordid period of the nation's history. Let's end the shame and scandal. One man has brought us here…I appeal to his sense of patriotism…and redeem his native land…cooperate and do what's right so we can list one again the image of Trinidad and Tobago”.

On Tuesday Warner was among six former and current FIFA executives placed on INTERPOL's wanted list on charges including corruption, conspiracy and racketeering.

The Red Notices were issued a day after FIFA president Sepp Blatter announced he would be resigning, as the corruption investigation into FIFA deepens.

The six on INTERPOL's list are among nine FIFA officials and five sports media and promotions executives, who have been indicted in the United States on charges related to bribes amounting to $150 million.

Warner is accused of accepting a US $10 million bribe in exchange for helping South Africa secure the right to host the 2010 World Cup. Officials in South Africa have denied that the money was a bribe.

He appeared in court last week, after the US began extradition proceedings seeking to have him brought to the US to face trial. Warner, who is out on $2.5 million bail, has denied wrong-doing and claimed that the charges are part of a US “witch-hunt” meant to punish him for his support of Qatar's 2022 World Cup.

US prosecutors on Thursday unsealed the guilty plea hearing transcripts of Warner's Daryan And Daryll.

According to US media reports, Daryan Warner pleaded guilty to three counts of wire fraud, money laundering, and tax evasion in October 2013, in relation to a ticket reselling scam for the 2006 and 2010 World Cups.

In the documents, Warner made “substantial profits” buying World Cup tickets from FIFA then illegally selling them at marked-up prices through a Florida-based ticket broker who is named as co-conspirator in the case.

The scam also involved two unnamed family members who at the time were FIFA officials, according the court documents.

Daryan Warner profited at least $1,177,843.95 running his ticket scam for the 2006 World Cup.

As part of the plea deal, Daryan Warner agreed to cooperate with the government in its ongoing investigation of FIFA, including going undercover if necessary.

Daryll Warner pleaded guilty in July 2013 to wire fraud, and “structuring,” which refers to attempting to structure financial transactions in a way that wouldn't trigger federal currency reporting requirements.

Federal prosecutors also alleged that Warner, a one-time FIFA development officer focused on the Caribbean, obtained a mortgage loan “on the basis of false information” and then used the loan to finance a property in Miami.

Warner testified that the Miami property was “intended for use by my father, my brother and myself.”

Warner also admitted to deliberately breaking up cash deposits into amounts of less than $10,000 “in order to avoid the filing of the requisite report.”

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 06, 2015, 04:55:06 AM
Warner: Last laugh is mine
T&T Newsday Reports.


BEFORE Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar walked out on him during yesterday’s sitting of the House of Representatives, Independent Liberal Party (ILP) political leader and Chaguanas West MP Jack Warner promised her, the Government and the country, “I will have the last laugh.”

After the Prime Minister walked out of the Parliament during his response to her contribution during debate on a motion to approve the Second Report of the Standing Finance Committee, Warner shrugged his shoulders and remarked, “I sat (in my seat).I did not rise on a point of order. I sat and listened to the Member (of Parliament) for Siparia (Persad-Bissessar) impugn my character in the worst possible way but I said nothing.”

However Warner, a former FIFA vice-president, hinted that outside of Parliament, “ I will say something.” In her earlier contribution, Persad-Bissessar accused Warner of single-handedly bringing the country’s international image into disrepute.

In doing so, she urged him to cooperate with United States law enforcement authorities with respect to eight criminal charges the US government has laid against him with respect to, racketeering, conspiracy and corruption during his tenure as a FIFA executive.

Responding to Persad-Bissessar, Warner said he heard her “passionate plea” to him while he was on his way to Parliament. Saying he was “touched” by her concern for him, Warner quipped, “I find it difficult to understand how a similar concern wasn’t expressed when there were others who had 89 charges which emanated in TT and there was no concern.” Persad-Bissessar and Government MPs were silent as Warner continued, “In fact, on the contrary, I was a member of that Cabinet that passed Section 34 in the middle of the night. There was no concern. None.”

Warner said he would have thought that “as a senior counsel, the Prime Minister would have known that a man is innocent until proven guilty.” Reminding MPs that Persad-Bissessar read the charges against him into the Hansard record of Parliament, Warner observed, “The way she has made the kind of judgement that she has made and continues to make, is mind- boggling.”

Referring to Persad-Bissessar’s charge that he had brought “shame and scandal on the country by his actions, Warner countered, “What she has seen so far, if she is correct, is the shame. She has not seen the scandal yet. The scandal is to come.”

Reiterating he will continue to take “all the ridicule and derision and attacks” as he has been doing, Warner told Speaker Wade Mark, “I tell this House, this country and you today, that I will have the last laugh.”

Noting the presence of foreign journalists in the Parliament Chamber, Warner said “it might be good for the international press for the Prime Minister to make a plea to Chaguanas West to cooperate.”

Saying Persad-Bissessar’s statement “makes international news and you know of course we like our PR (public relations),” Warner said, “I want to say, the news must also say that it is this Prime Minister, under this Government that passed Section 34 which was designed to prevent two persons from going to the US.”

Government Chief Whip Dr Roodal Moonilal cited Standing Order 48 (6), claiming Warner was imputing improper motive against Persad-Bissessar and the Government. “It is clear,” Moonilal claimed. Mark advised Warner, “ You are imputing improper motive to Cabinet ministers and the Prime Minister and you are in breach of 48 (6), so I ask you not to go there.”

Warner replied, “Mr Speaker, if you say so, it’s so. I want to make the point that at the end of the day, both in terms of what is taking place here and what took place in this country some three or four years ago.”

Reiterating his confidence that the truth will be revealed “sooner rather than later,” Warner looked at Persad-Bissessar and Government MPs and declared, “There is nobody Mr Speaker who will jumbie me or set my agenda for me, before my time. The only person to set my agenda, is me.”

Insisting that he is following due process, Warner said, “I was charged in my country. I was given a provisional warrant. I went to my country’s court. I gave up myself. I am on bail. I do not understand the issue of cooperation.”

Looking again at his former political colleagues, Warner crossed his wrists. “What do you want me to do? Go in manacles and hands so to the (United) States? That’s what you want me to do?” he asked Government MPs.

Reiterating that in this country, “one is innocent until proven guilty,” Warner told Government MPs, “You can say what you want, that’s maxim.”

Rebutting Persad-Bissessar’s assertion that Government was not practising discrimination against certain segments of the population, Warner said, “When I was minister of works and transport, that (Diego Martin) highway was already started. It started by the (former) PNM government.”

As PNM MPs thumped their desks, Warner declared, “There was no initiative on this Government’s part. They were not kind, they were not generous.” Telling Government “don’t take credit where credit is not due,” Warner said, “The same applies to the Highway to Point Fortin. That was a fait accompli down to the contractor, everything was there.”

Saying “in this society, it is convenient for us to forget,” Warner repeated that at the end of the day, “Chaguanas West will have the last laugh both locally and internationally.”Indicating he would say no more on this issue, Warner dropped a hint to the foreign journalists in the Parliament’s press gallery. “I hope that gets the same amount of airplay as the last speaker (Persad-Bissessar),” he said.

Warner said while there are efforts to take him “from Intercol to Interpol,” what he has seen in the Bill, “has told me we are in serious trouble.”

Claiming that Finance Minister Larry Howai “has not told this country everything” with respect to the true state of the economy, Warner charged, “If this country knows everything, it will trigger a public outcry.”

Reiterating that Government was practising “voodoo mathematics” to make the population believe the economy is growing and it is cutting costs, Warner said the truth was that in the final weeks before the dissolution of Parliament on or before June 17, Government is involved in “election squandermania.” He claimed there was no contract for the 12 vessels recently purchased from Damen Shipyards of the Netherlands for $1.358 billion.

Waxing biblical, Warner said the only Last Supper which the world knows “was Jesus (Christ’s) supper, with 12 disciples and one Judas.” He then alleged, “at the end of the day, what is happening here is the Last Supper.”

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 06, 2015, 04:58:40 AM
Warner mum on seeking United States plea deal.
T&T Newsday Reports.


A day after vowing to unleash an “avalanche” of evidence of FIFA corruption, a steadfast Jack Warner yesterday declared he would continue on the path he has set out for himself but declined to say if he was seeking a plea deal with United States (US) law enforcement agencies.

Newsday caught up with Warner at his Arouca home two hours after the Independent Liberal Party (ILP) political leader and Chaguanas West MP had fulfilled the second of his twice-weekly reports to the Arouca Police Station as part of the conditions set out when he was granted $2.5 million bail last week.

The former FIFA vice-president and Concacaf president is currently on bail after being arrested on a provisional warrant issued by the Office of the United States (US) Attorney General last week, following arrests of several FIFA officials in Zurich, Switzerland.

Warner has been indicted on eight charges of racketeering, wire fraud, and money laundering while his sons, Daryan and Daryll Warner, are cooperating with US authorities as part of separate plea deals. A transcript ordered released by a US federal judge in Brooklyn, New York this past Monday, contained details of Daryan’s guilty plea. However a separate motion by the New York Times to unseal the plea agreement of Daryll was yesterday denied by US District Judge William F c**tz II. The transcript of Daryan’s deal shows that in October 2013, he pled guilty to wire fraud conspiracy, money laundering conspiracy and the structuring of financial transactions to evade bank reporting requirements.

At the hearing, Daryan admitted he was among a group which agreed to buy and resell tickets for the 2006 and 2010 World Cups at a “substantial profit.”

As part of Daryan’s plea deal, US prosecutors agreed not to charge him with fraud and money laundering in connection with aiding and abetting an alleged bribe payment by the South African Bid Committee connected to its bid to host the 2010 World Cup.

“That agreement signalled a potential area of testimony by (Daryan) should the larger case against the 14 go to trial, as prosecutors allege that Jack Warner solicited payments worth $10 million from the South African government. He denies wrongdoing,” the New York Times reported.

Having been dropped off in front of his home yesterday afternoon by the driver of a sport utility vehicle (SUV), Warner said hello to Newsday before declaring, “I have no comment to make” on his stated intention to release an “avalanche” of secrets.

When asked if he intended to make a plea deal with the US authorities, Warner replied, “I said all I have to say (Wednesday) night.”

“The media could print what they want, they could splash ‘Wanted’ across their front pages but I’ve already spoken, I’ve already said all I’m going to say on the matter.”

Warner then said goodbye to Newsday and entered his property.

On Wednesday night, while addressing ILP supporters in Marabella, Warner declared he would not stay quiet in the face of corruption allegations.

“I will not stay quiet. At age 72, I will not stay quiet to allow them to deprive me of my freedom...I have compiled a comprehensive and detailed series of documents this high (Warner gestured from his waist to mid-chest). This high. Documents, bills, speeches, emails. I have it here.”

“Not even death will stop the avalanche that is coming,” Warner continued. “The die is cast. There can be no turning back. Let the chips fall where they fall.”

Warner’s “avalanche” statement followed his paid television broadcast in which he announcedhe had documents which “treat with my knowledge and involvement in” the link between FIFA’s funding and himself, of financial transactions at FIFA including but not limited to its President, Sepp Blatter, the link between FIFA’s funding and the United National Congress and the People’s Partnership Government in 2010 general election 2010, as well as documents dealing with “the Section 34 fiasco.”

Warner said he has instructed his lawyers to “engage in the task of making contact with law enforcement authorities both inside as well as outside of Trinidad and Tobago with regards to the statements that I have made.”

As the world waits to find out exactly what secrets Warner plans to spill, and when, he yesterday fulfilled his bail obligations.

At about 11.40 am yesterday, Warner walked into the Arouca Police Station after driving himself there and reported to Cpl Alfred. He then produced a book in which the officer affixed his signature.

During his brief visit to the station, Warner again declared his innocence, stating he would be cleared, and there would be no need for him to report to the station.

Warner was instructed to report to the Arouca Police Station twice a week; on Mondays and Thursdays, as part of his bail granted by Port-of-Spain Chief Magistrate, Marcia Ayers-Caesar.

Newsday understands that after the signature was affixed to the book, Warner was met by other police officers at the station, some of whom he knew by their first names, and wished them a happy Corpus Christi.

The ILP leader is no stranger to the Arouca Police Station, as during his tenure as National Security Minister, he often visited officers there and listened to their many concerns.

After a brief conversation with officers, Warner left the station and promised to return next Monday.

Sources close to Warner said he was in the process of securing documents and other information, which he had promised to make available to the agencies in the US, relating to alleged money laundering and racketeering involving some FIFA officials.

Newsday understands Warner plans to continue his ILP walkabouts and cottage meetings, and will seek the guidance of his attorneys in the coming days.

Senior Counsel Fyard Hosein is the lead attorney fighting Warner’s extradition to the US. Contacted by Newsday yesterday, he said he does not intend to breach his oath as a lawyer by commenting on issues relating to one of his clients.

“I left the Parliament in 1991 and gave up a career in politics for a full-time career at the Bar. I do not comment on issues relating to my clients as I am bound by the principles of confidentiality. Mr Warner is my client,” Hosein said.

Hosein, who also represents businessman Steve Ferguson in his extradition matters, also refused to engage in any discussions relating to partisan politics.

The unfolding developments involving Warner were a hot topic among several of Warner’s neighbours in Arouca yesterday.

Among them were Bob, Jimmy and Martin who all told Newsday the FIFA corruption scandal is “bad for TT’s image.”

Jimmy spoke of the approachable, helpful man he knew Warner to be; ensuring that dirt drains along a portion of First Street were replaced by concrete box drains during Warner’s tenure as Works Minister.

“Governments came and went and nobody did anything about the drains, even though we complained about it. Everything it rained for a sustained period or rained heavily, my yard and the neighbours’ yards used to flood. Mr Warner was instrumental in getting that fixed,” Jimmy said.

Martin lamented, “It’s a sad day for TT football, for TT sports” while Bob said “Based on what he said (Wednesday) night, Jack is not going down alone. He said the gloves are off. Now we wait to see what evidence he has.”

All three men told Newsday they doubted Warner’s latest statement would sway hard-core party supporters. Rather, the “fence-sitters” would be the ones most likely to be swayed by his FIFA and PP allegations when they cast their ballots in the upcoming general election.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on June 06, 2015, 06:30:08 AM
The longer the foreign media outlets stay in T&T, the better. Watch de ride.
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on June 06, 2015, 06:42:12 AM
Mr. Warner is of a diminishing generation of Trinbagonians whose lives spanned the colonial and post-colonial eras. Unlike those whose lives span only the post-colonial and Independence eras, Mr. Warner has a certain bent that is reflected in his global view and comments. More and more, I am certain that his conclusions and perspective are not accidental.
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: grimm01 on June 06, 2015, 08:02:10 AM
I really wonder if Jack have any real info on Kala or FIFA.  So far the only avalanche and tsunami I seeing is the amount of articles being written about his upcoming avalanche and tsunami.
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 06, 2015, 05:35:56 PM
How FIFA Villain Jack Warner Keeps Getting Away
By Michael Daly (thedailybeast).


A fortune in Haiti earthquake relief, $10 million from South Africa, $2 million from Qatar. Trinidad and Tobago’s Jack Warner allegedly pocketed it all—but he’s the one vowing revenge.

Jack Warner fails to mention one thing about the FIFA money he says was used to influence the 2010 election in his native Trinidad and Tobago.

He neglects to say that the cash appears to have come from the millions of FIFA dollars looted by none other than Jack Warner.

Warner would have us believe that the money came direct from FIFA on instructions from the now-outgoing president, Sepp Blatter.

Warner further says the ultimate beneficiary was the big winner of the 2010 election, Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar.

To support his allegations, Warner has leaked at least five checks totaling hundreds of thousands of dollars made out to Ross Advertising of Trinidad, days before the agency reportedly sought to bring in Henry Bernard Campbell, a political whiz who helped President Obama get elected.

The checks were issued by Jamad Limited, a company widely reported to be owned by Warner.

He is now apparently seeking to portray himself as a middleman, as if Blatter and FIFA had a huge interest in Trinidad and Tobago’s internal politics.

Back in 2010, few people were more keenly interested in the election than Warner himself. He was a candidate for parliament and a big-time backer of the then-opposition leader, Persad-Bissessar.

Campbell had landed in Trinidad in April 2010 to assist the opposition, which explains why the ruling party contrived to have him denied entry to the country. The government even sought to fine American Airlines for flying him in.

Ross Advertising is said to have nonetheless proven able to direct an Obama-style social media campaign that was instrumental in the opposition’s victory.

Warner became a member of parliament. Persad-Bissessar became the prime minister and made Warner the new interior minister, allowing him to serve as acting prime minister when she traveled outside the country.

Warner remained a member of FIFA’s executive committee as well as the head of CONCACAF, the governing body that oversees soccer in North America, Central America, and the Caribbean.

Warner seems to have been a kind of genius at grabbing FIFA funds. He reportedly raked in millions for a soccer Center of Excellence built on land he owned. He is said to have scored millions more that were intended for everything from bonuses for the Trinidad World Cup team to the country’s allocation of World Cup tickets. He allegedly pocketed a fortune collected for earthquake relief in Haiti. A photo shows him arriving at the scene of the disaster shouldering half a case of bottled water.

Warner is also alleged to have taken millions in bribes for votes on which countries should host the World Cup. Court papers charge him with taking $10 million from South Africa.

He is further said to have accepted some $2 million in connection with Qatar’s successful bid. That money was paid to Jamad Limited in 2011, the Warner-owned company that paid out the money to the advertising firm that same year.

As minister of the interior, Warner would have been in a position to ensure that a Qatari representative had no trouble passing through customs in Trinidad with more than $1 million in alleged bribe money.

A chunk of that cash was divided into $40,000 batches and placed in manila envelopes, to be distributed to members of the Caribbean soccer association who were addressed by the Qatari representative.

One devoutly honest member was so shocked by the bribe attempt that he photographed the money and reported it to Chuck Blazer, the general secretary of CONCACAF. Blazer happened to be Warner’s prime partner in graft.

Blazer apparently understood that if he did nothing, the honest member was sure to go elsewhere. Blazer reported the bribe attempt to FIFA, declaring himself outraged. FIFA declared itself outraged and ordered an inquiry.

The inquiry diligently catalogued numerous misdeeds by both Warner and Blazer. Warner was expelled. A FIFA official made a pronouncement whose irony would only become apparent later.

“In the case of Jack Warner and Chuck Blazer this has far bigger implications than just [FIFA’s] Ethics Committee, or the rules of the game,” said Domenico Scala, the head of FIFA’s Audit and Compliance Committee, at a press conference. “There is sufficient suspicion that they have gone against the law and this will become an issue for the FBI and the IRS.”

Scala added, “So here the Ethics Committee and the world of FIFA stops; and people who have gone against the law will have to deal with the law.”

In Trinidad, Prime Minister Persad-Bissessar declared herself outraged and disowned Warner. He announced that he was resigning as both a minister and a member of parliament.

But in the very next breath he announced that he would be running to replace himself in that very same seat in parliament when the special election was held 90 days hence.

“The character assassination, the slander, the ridicule of my family, and the abandonment of longtime friends—in spite of the hurt, in spite of the indignities I have experienced, I stand here tonight void of hatred, animosity, or ill will for my political leader,” he insisted.

Warner ran as a candidate of a new political party he founded for that express reason and won.

“Thank you for this resounding victory,” he told the election night crowd.

Warner seems to have been seeking revenge against FIFA and Blatter in particular when he leaked a handwritten note to himself from the organization’s general secretary, Jérôme Valcke. It concerned a deal in which Warner paid $1 million for television rights for the 2010 and 2014 World Cup in the Caribbean region.

“Here is the agreement signed by the P [President Blatter]. This deal has not been through all normal boards or comm,” the note read. “Hence so I’m asking to make no publicity on it for the time being. Kind regards, Jérôme.”

Warner now suggested that Blatter had made the deal essentially to purchase Warner’s support in FIFA. Warner subsequently sold the rights, turning his $1 million into $20 million.

By then, Warner and Blazer had indeed reached the attention of the FBI and the IRS. Blazer agreed to become an informant, apparently telling all he knew about Warner, which was a great deal. Blazer also used a miniature microphone concealed in a keychain to record conversations with other FIFA officials.

Warner was among the 14 FIFA officials and associates past and present who were indicted. Blatter managed to get reelected, but then a letter surfaced from the South African Football Association to none other than General Secretary Valcke of FIFA. The letter asked that $10 million earmarked for South Africa instead go to a program that was founded by Warner.

Blazer had told investigators that Warner had received a $10 million bribe from the South Africans. Valcke is just a step away from Blatter, who suddenly announced his intention to resign less than a week after his reelection.

Warner was arrested in Trinidad and held overnight before being freed on bail. He arrived in parliament the following day apologizing for having missed the previous session.

“I was in prison,” he explained. “For charges I know nothing about.”

At a series of press conferences and appearances, Warner pledged to fight extradition to the United States and continue his present campaign for another term in parliament. He seems to think that reelection will make him less likely to end up in a Brooklyn courtroom facing 20 years or more.

Warner seems to have been seeking to score with his constituents as well as revenge himself on both Blatter and Persad-Bissessar by alleging that FIFA sought to influence the 2010 election in Trinidad through him.

“I cannot remain silent any longer!” Warner declared.

The Trinidad government said it was sending copies of the Jamad checks to U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch, who had launched the FIFA investigation when she was the U.S. attorney in Brooklyn. Persad-Bissessar dismissed Warner’s allegations as fiction.

“I, Kamla, received no money from Jack Warner,” she told a local newspaper. “That is the God’s truth. I cannot speak to any contractual arrangement the gentleman would have had with Ross Advertising or any other advertising agency.”

By then, newspapers and sites around the world were announcing that Warner had promised to “tell all.”

Just watch out for what Jack Warner fails to say about Jack Warner.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 07, 2015, 05:15:02 AM
Felicity turns its back on Jack
By Shaliza Hassanali (Guardian).


Chaguanas West calls on MP to hang up his boots as they return to UNC fold

Chaguanas West constituents are urging their MP Jack Warner to hang up his political boots.

This comes as Warner faces corruption, racketeering and bribery charges arising out of a US-led investigation into Fifa. On May 27, Warner appeared in court on a provisional warrant for his arrest stemming from extradition proceedings initiated against him.

On Tuesday, the call came from several constituents in Warner’s constituency, which he has represented for the past five years.

Constituents feel Warner, leader of the Independent Liberal Party (ILP), should not seek re-election for two reasons—the charges that he now faces and the dwindling popularity of his party, which had attracted widespread support in 2013, in the face of renewed support for the United National Congress (UNC).

They said the odds are now stacked against Warner, who is out on $2.5 million bail.

Though Warner has denied wrongdoing, claiming the charges are part of a US “witch-hunt” meant to punish him for his support of Qatar’s 2022 World Cup, constituents feel he should stay out of politics. For years Chaguanas West had been a UNC stronghold. However, in the 2013 by-election, constituents switched allegiance and threw their support behind Warner’s ILP.

In Cacandee, a community that worshipped the ground Warner walked on, Radesh Mahabir said the support Warner generated in the last 60 months had fallen to an all-time low, as he urged the former Fifa vice president, who is now wanted by Interpol, to call it a day.

In 2010, Mahabir said, Warner received overwhelming support as a member of the UNC.

After Warner parted ways with the Government in 2013, Mahabir said, and fought the seat on an ILP ticket, he promised his constituents day-care facilities and that doctors would visit them in their homes should they fall ill.

“None of this never materialised. Plenty people became disappointed and got turned off by Warner false promises after 2013.”

Mahabir said the UNCites who backed the ILP decided to go back to the home of the rising sun.

“Few people want to hear about Warner in the back here. Should he go up for Chaguanas West he go be a one-man team...he go can’t do nothing for the people. The Government in power go stifle and fight Warner and the people would be the ones to suffer. I personally feel he should step down from politics.”

Mahabir said what also displeased residents was Warner’s lack of visibility.

He said Warner went from being one of the hardest working MPs to non-existent in the last two years.

Fall from grace

Mahabir said while the majority of residents were pleased with Warner’s performance, it was time they got someone new to represent them.

“Besides, nobody would support Warner now that he has those charges hanging over his head. Voting for him would be taking a gamble.”

Mahabir said a man was innocent until proven guilty, and he hoped Warner was not carted off to prison when the matter concluded in court.

Pensioner Babooram Nanan said if Warner had files on the UNC he should be careful.

“They would try to bump him off.”

Playing a card game in a parlour along the Cacandee Main Road, Nanan said if Warner had information on the UNC this could bring the party to its knees and hamper its chances at the polls.

“They should know who they playing with because Jack was one of the most powerful figures in global football. It can hamper their chances at the polls. Likewise, if the UNC have secrets on Warner they can also come forward and hang his Jack. This can do more harm than good,” Nanan said.

Joining Nanan at the table was carpenter Derrick Dyett of Jalim Street.

Dyett said while Warner had lost his sting in Felicity, he was a legend in his own right.

“We would never get a MP like Warner again. The man has been an international figure because of his association with Fifa. He is also a humble man who never discriminated anyone,” Dyett said.

Dyett said Warner should hang up his political boots.

“This area is a UNC stronghold. I don’t see Jack winning here again.”

At Lyle Lane, Felicity, Vikash Jaikaran heaped praises on Warner for bringing improvements to the community after many years of neglect.

Jaikaran said Warner was often the topic of conversation at the Felicity Recreational Ground by political pundits in the community.

“For months they have been saying they don’t want Warner back in Chaguanas West. Felicity and Cacandee gone back UNC. Warner is out of the political picture, as far as I see,” Jaikaran said.

Pacheco Vincent, a maxi taxi driver and friend of Jaikaran, said even though Warner had been a good representative, he believed he should ride out into the sunset.

“Jack political days are over,” Vincent said, while fishing in the compound of the Lakhan Karriah Cremation Site.

Vincent said Warner had fallen from grace.

“This is the reality of the situation.” “Nothing could change that,” Vincent pointed out.

PP Government treated Warner unfairly

A stone’s throw away at Boundary Road, pensioner Ganesh Ramdeen said he voted for Warner in 2010 and 2013 and would do so again in 2015.

“If Jack going up for Chaguanas West I would support him. If he is not contesting I would vote for the PNM,” Ramdeen said.

He described Warner’s commitment and contribution to the constituency and country as heroic.

“The PP Government never treated Jack fairly. The cabal never gave him an easy time. They wanted him out. Jack was used and abused by the party he helped built. They only wanted his money. The same way the UNC betrayed former prime minister Basdeo Panday they did to Jack. If Warner get money from the white man to fund the party I don’t see a problem with that.

“Other politicians do worse and they are still around walking around free,” Ramdeen said.

Ramdeen said while the UNC promised to fight corruption they had not been able to bring Calder Hart to account for allegedly mismanaging taxpayers’ money.

At Warren Monroe Road, Warrenville, Sheriff Ali, 54, felt Warner’s representation was good.

He, however, expressed displeasure with the “rude, unmannerly and disrespectful way” Warner was treated by the UNC before he resigned from the party.

Ali believes the charges against Warner were perfectly timed to sink the MP and the ILP party as the election approaches.

“Why they couldn’t charge him before the general election? Why now? This was done just to destroy Jack,” Ali said.

Ali’s neighbour Keizer Samnath said though he was satisfied with Warner’s performance, he felt the UNC could have handled Warner’s situation differently.

“I don’t like what the UNC did to him. He put his blood, sweat and tears into the party and had to leave.”

He said Warner might be down but was certainly not out.

Jack the fighter

“I think Jack is not going to give up so easily. The man is a fighter,” Samnath said.

Samnath said he had two minds about voting.

“The Government have people confused with what they saying and doing. Every time you turn is this one saying this and that one saying that. They have people head spinning.”

Walking along Tropical Drive in Warrenville, Janet Samnath confessed that Warner never helped the residents on her street.

“Right now we begging for our road to be paved and nobody taking we on. It’s in a mess. In the rainy season is mud and dry season it’s a dust bowl. This is what we have to face,” Samnath complained.

She said while she voted for the UNC in 2010, they would not get her support in 2015.

The unemployed woman said she had been fighting tooth and nail to get a permanent food card.

“I got three temporary food cards, but they don’t want to give me a permanent one. It have plenty people who far better off than me collecting food cards and I can’t get any. I fed up with politicians. None ain’t different,” Samnath said.

Anthony Douglas, a resident of Trace Marshall, Warrenville, said Warner was now missing in action.

The last time Douglas said he spotted Warner was in 2013.

“He came in the back here in a vehicle days before the by-election to get our votes. He never step foot in here again.”

Douglas described Warner’s representation as poor.

“What the UNC and my Prime Minister has done in five years with infrastructural development in the country no Government has ever done. I don’t want to see or hear nothing about the ILP far less for Warner. He is a waste of time. Warner should go home. He will never get my vote.”

Anand Ramlogan of Alligator Trace North, Cunupia, commended Warner for doing more than other government MPs.

Ramlogan, who straightens and paints vehicles, said for years residents had been asking for a pavement from Warren Monroe Road to Low Cost supermarket, but they were ignored.

Admitting that he voted for Warner not once but twice, Ramlogan said he would not go to the polls again.

“You voting for them politicians and you not getting help,” Ramlogan reasoned.

Tears for MP

Nearby, Sieudath Suruj said he believed Warner financially supported the UNC.

“I think the UNC gave him a raw deal.They take what they get from Jack financially and otherwise and now saying he no good...he is a wanted man.

“I does always say anywhere it have too much of Indians it does have cut down and fight. Jack should have known better. I feel he should give up politics now.”

Unsure if he would vote in the election, Suruj said while Warner liked Indian people, football and politics, all had been to his detriment.

Sitting in her yard at Salem Avenue, Cunupia, 84-year-old Korisha Ali, a devout Muslim, said tears flowed from her eyes when she heard that Warner had problems obtaining bail and had to spend a night in prison.

“I cried for him. I like that man too bad. He is a good human being. He like Indian people.”

Ali said she hoped Warner contested Chaguanas West.

“I want Jack back in Parliament. The Opposition Leader giving the Government too much trouble. They only rowing and fighting. They no good,” Ali said.

Along the bustling Monroe Road in Cunupia, businessman Neshan Ramlogan rated Warner’s performance as unsatisfactory.

Ramlogan said Warner neglected their community and focused his attention on the people of Felicity who had now turned their backs on him.

At Pierre Road, Charlieville, vegetable vendor Ryan Jaglal said Warner did a lot of good by uniting the people in the community.

“He brought everyone together for religious and cultural celebrations. Give Jack he jacket, he performed well. He really did a lot for people,” Jaglal said.

‘No comment’

Warner, in response to a text message sent to him on Friday, wrote “regretfully on this occasion Shaliza, no comments.”

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 07, 2015, 05:21:28 AM
Bribe $$ to repay credit card, bank loan
By Camini Marajh (Express).


Indicted football administrator and one of two of Interpol's most wanted FIFA official, Jack Warner spent a significant portion of the US$10 million bribe he collected from South Africa on paying off credit card debt and a personal loan held in a Republic bank account in his name, according to a US law enforcement source.

More than half of the bribe money sent from FIFA's UBS account in Zurich, Switzerland, in 2008 to three Warner controlled RBL accounts went towards what the US-issued indictment described as “scheme #1- Wire Fraud and Money Laundering”, or black market currency trade through legitimate Trinidad-owned businesses like the JTA Group and International Shipping Ltd (ISL), among others, sources with knowledge of the situation have disclosed.

Both business interests have confirmed, in separate and short interviews with the Sunday Express, that they unknowingly facilitated Warner's money laundering by purchasing US dollar bank drafts from his personal accountant and main man of business, Kenny Rampersad.

Rampersad is a certified accountant with offices at 3A Queen's Park West, Port of Spain, and was the beneficiary of all of the accounting briefs from four of the football bodies associated with Warner, including CONCACAF, the regional football body for North and Central America and the Caribbean and the CFU (Caribbean Football Union).

The US indictment, unsealed by a Brooklyn, New York, USA, court on May 27, in detailing the wire fraud, racketeering and money laundering charges against Warner, pointed to his decades- old use of business and other “intermediaries” to launder vast flows of corruptly received cash through currency trade transactions and financial structuring of the TTD repayments to a slew of Warner-controlled bank accounts.

The indictment did not identify Warner's co-conspirators by name in the money laundering scheme but it cited “a Trinidadian businessman whose identity is known to the Grand Jury” and a large local “supermarket chain” and “real estate and investment company, “controlled by the unnamed businessman.

Carl Mack, owner and director of the JTA Group and a director of One Caribbean Media (OCM), the holding company for the CCN Group and owner of the Trinidad Express Newspapers, said all of the foreign currency purchases from Warner were done by his accountant, Rampersad, who also happened to be Warner's accountant-in-chief.

Rishi-Nirvan Balroop, financial controller of ISL, in a two-paragraph statement on the USD currency trades, said: “ISL purchased US dollars during a period in which the currency was extremely difficult to obtain to facilitate our regular business transactions. We dealt only with the accounting and consultancy firm, Kenny Rampersad & Co, which facilitated these transactions.

“At no point was ISL ever in a position to investigate or suspect the source of these funds and we discharged our responsibilities in accordance with industry norms and standards,” said Balroop, adding that ISL found Rampersad from the “well-established accounting and consultancy firms known in the country”.

Both men said they never dealt with Warner.

According to the US-laid indictment, the world governing body for football, FIFA, made three wire transfers in as many months in 2008 to three Warner controlled Republic Bank accounts totalling US$10 million as a kickback for his 2004 vote for South Africa to host the 2010 World Cup.

US Department of Justice documents, which quoted Warner's long time partner in graft, Chuck Blazer, detailed the bribe payment made by the South African Football Association (SAFA) through FIFA's Zurich account after the African nation encountered difficulty in making the payment directly to Warner.

A leaked letter from the SAFA to FIFA's general secretary, Jerome Valcke, twice specified that FIFA give Warner control of diverted SAFA funds to a Warner creation called the “African Diaspora Legacy Programme”.

US sources, however, told the Sunday Express that very little of the US$10 million bribe money went towards the development of football in the Caribbean.

More than half of the corrupt payment was cleaned through a series of structured TTD repayments to a plethora of Warner-controlled bank accounts, including CONCACAF, the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF), C.O.N.C.A.C.A.F. Centre of Excellence, a parallel account which this newspaper wrote about last year, The Dr Joao Havelange Centre of Excellence and two of his private companies – CCAM and Co Ltd and Renraw Investments Ltd.

On this bribe transaction alone, over US$4.8 million worth of US bank drafts were sold to the JTA group and US$300K to ISL, according to a US source familiar with the case.

The structured TTD repayment was said to have been made through a bundle of smaller payments to myriad Warner-controlled bank accounts.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 08, 2015, 05:31:32 AM
‘Tiger’ hired to hunt down Jack’s $$
By Denyse Renne (Express).


Tiger Capital Ltd, an unknown firm retained by The Office of the Attorney General (AG) last year and paid $1,750,000, was hired to compile the finances of Independent Liberal Party (ILP) leader Jack Warner.

Sources told the Sunday Express that the firm was retained by head of the Central Authority, Netram Kowlessar, who acted on the advice of then AG Anand Ramlogan.

Warner was arrested on May 27 and is before the courts on a provisional extradition warrant, following an indictment by a US Grand jury on charges of racketeering and money laundering while holding the position of FIFA vice president.

He is due to re-appear before Chief Magistrate Marcia Ayres Caeser on July 9.

He was granted $2.5 million bail but spent a night in prison as his property deed was not in order.

Sources told the Sunday Express that the firm’s instructions were to retrieve information both locally and internationally about Warner’s finances and their investigation ran parallel to that of the United States’.

Sources further say that this investigation was a private one and whatever information gathered would be used on a political platform.

Stressing that the AG’s office in the past has used accounting firms such as Deloitte and Ernst and Young when conducting forensic financial probes through the Central Authority and also the Office of the AG, sources say the investigation conducted on the accounts belonging to Warner remains a mystery.

The Sunday Express on Friday contacted Ramlogan and posed four questions to him.

The questions were:

1) The financial information gathered by Tiger Capital Ltd on ILP leader Jack Warner, was this passed to US law enforcement?

2) Why did you recommend this firm, as opposed to Ernst and Young and other reputable firms?

3) Information reaching the Express, suggests that the financial information obtained by Tiger Capital Ltd will be used for political purposes. Can you comment on this?

4) Was Tiger Capital Ltd retained for political purposes?

Ramlogan said, “I am now a private citizen, please direct your questions elsewhere.” The call was then disconnected.

Efforts to call Ramlogan again were unsuccessful.

Contacted by the Sunday Express on May 29, Attorney General Garvin Nicholas was asked whether Tiger Capital was retained to obtain Warner’s finances.

Nicholas said, “I wouldn’t want to make a comment on that right now.”

Asked whether a separate invoice totalling $1.7 million submitted by the company earlier this year had been paid by his office, Nicholas said no.

Asked why, the AG said, “I wouldn’t want to comment right now on that either.”

Last year and earlier this year, queries were raised within the accounts department of the Office of the AG as to who exactly is Tiger Capital Ltd.

Kowlessar when questioned by the Sunday Express has refused to answer any questions regarding Tiger Capital and how the company was retained, stating such matters are confidential.

In a statement issued on April 10, Nicholas said: “The fees paid to Tiger Capital total $1,750,000 were for services rendered in conjunction with senior counsel for the extensive analysis of many complex financial documents in the exercise of mutual assistance obligations with the United States of America and the Central Authority.”

Checks by the Sunday Express with the Ministry of Legal Affairs’ Company Registry, showed Tiger Capital Ltd was registered on November 23, 2004, by attorney Rudyard Davidson.

On the November 22, 2004, application form, the company names financial services consultant Kenny Soodhoo and businesswoman Monique Pillai as directors.

Soodhoo is no stranger to controversy. In 1997, under the United National Congress regime, he was employed as the director at National Petroleum (NP) and was also the head of the Project Implementation Unit.

Prior to being employed at NP, Soodhoo was fired by State-owned bank First Citizens following a complex and controversial transaction.

In 1996, First Citizens Merchant Bank (FCMB) dismissed Soodhoo following questions over a loan transaction.

Soodhoo was the managing director at FCMB.

According to the documents, under “Change of Directors”, on November 20, 2013, proprietor Winston Samuel Russell of Caledonia Road, Lange Park, Chaguanas, was appointed a director.

On that same date, Pillai ceased “to hold office as director”.

As of November 5, 2014, Soodhoo and Russell remained directors.

On December 9, 2014, contractor Clement Nazim Ali, of Curepe, was appointed director. That same day, Russell “ceased to hold office”. Soodhoo was then appointed secretary.

When the Sunday Express visited the 16B McInroy Street, Curepe, address of Tiger Capital Ltd two months ago, there was an empty plot of land.

A visit to the same location on June 5 resulted in the Sunday Express speaking with a relative of Ali who did not want to be named.

The relative said that Ali is a handyman by trade and has “never received any shares from Tiger Capital Ltd”.

The relative said Ali only found out that he was a director in the company following media reports.

The relative said that Ali, also called “Toad”, was working on a building when he was asked by someone to sign a document. He did so without questioning its contents.

Checks with residents in the area revealed that no one had ever heard of the business Tiger Capital Ltd being located at the given address.

On November 18,2014, Tiger Capital Ltd was paid by the Office of the AG for legal advice. On December 9, the company filed its annual returns for 2014.

Several efforts over the past months to contact Soodhoo have been unsuccessful.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: 1-868 on June 08, 2015, 07:43:17 AM
PRAKASH IS SUCH A f**kING FRAUD !!!

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-06-08/prakash-urges-jack-head-us-face-trial-so-we-can-get-truth

Prakash urges Jack to head to US: Face trial so we can get truth

Congress of the People leader and Justice Minister Prakash Ramadhar yesterday urged former Fifa vice president and Independent Liberal Party (ILP) leader Jack Warner to go the United States to face trial in connection with the ongoing corruption scandal, insisting that the country’s reputation has been tarnished.

“This is the battle for truth and T&T has to have its image repolished so that the true beauty of the nation be seen and not be identified by the actions of Mr Warner and those around him. I think it is so important for him to save the reputation of this country,” Ramadhar told local and international members of the media during a press conference at the COP’s Flagship House in St Clair yesterday.

Warner is one of 14 people wanted by the United States on suspicion of soliciting bribes worth millions in his Fifa dealings. He has been charged with multiple offenses, including racketeering and bribery, but has denied the charges.

Warner, currently on $2.5 million bail after his arrest locally, is expected to reappear in court on July 12. However, he has threatened to reveal secrets regarding “resources” he provided for Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar’s 2010 general election campaign, which are purportedly linked to Fifa.

Scoffing at this yesterday, Ramadhar said if Warner was innocent as he claimed he should not have a problem going to New York to face the courts. “Go to your trial so that we will hear what the facts are and not what you say they are. And when you go we hope that what you speak will be the truth and not further allegations, as what we have had with you over the last couple of days.

“This is a problem for all of Trinidad and Tobago and the solution rests in the heart, conscience and in the hands of Mr Warner. If it is that Mr Warner cares about this country then he should go to the US and have his trial there.” He added, “At the end of the day we don’t want technicalities. We want truth. As a lawyer, and I will tell you that for many years the innocent always rush for an early trial, so as a patriot I am asking for him to do so.”

On details of the questionable transactions made by Warner, Ramadhar said due to the judicial process it would be inappropriate for him to speak on matters before the court. “These are charges that emanate from the United States and therefore the conduct of this Government is only to ensure that the judicial process for extradition is engaged. The Attorney General has done what he has to do,” Ramadhar said.

But he warned that sometimes extradition matters could be dragged on for a lengthy period by attorneys. On his relationship with Warner, Ramadhar described it as one of indifference. He said since 2011 he had called for Warner’s removal from the Cabinet, adding that when the ILP was created he also had views on that, especially with the use of money in politics.

“I thought that it was a very dangerous development...he having been elected to Chaguanas West having regard to all the allegations,” Ramadhar said. “I thought that at that point in time something had gone wrong with the democracy. I thought that it had been disturbed and the Congress of the People had taken a strong position on that. We do not belive in the use of money for political heads. “Mr Warner’s actions of the past has really polluted the stream of the politics of this nation.”

No PP members quizzed by FBI

Congress of the People leader Prakash Ramadhar says neither he nor any other Government member has been interviewed by US authorities regarding political funding which may have been provided to the party by Jack Warner. However, he pledged this country’s cooperation with the ongoing probe.

“I have no knowledge of Mr Warner’s funding but I can tell you Mr Warner has embarked on a process of getting rid of the Congress of the People from very early on. So it will be shocking if he helped us financially,” Ramadhar said as he responded to reports that the FBI had questioned some Government officials in connection with the case.

Asked if he had any conversation with Warner about handing himself to US authorities Ramadhar said he had not. Warner, who still holds the position of an MP, was also problematic, Ramadhar said. Saying that Warner was still popular, Ramadhar added that he not only had a say in the Parliament but also questioned the integrity of many.

“It is a problem because he stands in the Parliament with the authority of the Parliament, but that is the democratic process we have engaged in and there is no process to remove him unless he is extradited,” Ramadhar added. But he said he was certain the constituents of Chaguanas West would deal with that matter appropriately.

On whether he believed Warner has not acted in the best interests of T&T, Ramadhar was also vocal on this. “I will not say that he has not acted in the interests of Trinidad and Tobago, but what is being unearthed now is that it is a serious self interest and I can’t say now what proportions of his actions were in the interest of T&T or that it was self motivated under the cover of the interset of T&T,” Ramadhar said.

Efforts to contact Warner yesterday were unsuccessful as he did not answer calls to his cellphone.
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Deeks on June 08, 2015, 05:37:16 PM
What do you expect from Prakash?
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 09, 2015, 02:07:49 AM
Now John Oliver takes on Jack Warner
By Gerard Best (Express).


US-based English comedian John Oliver will air a five-minute special on T&T television tomorrow night.

The special, called John Oliver: The mittens of disapproval are on, comes in direct response to a seven-minute special aired by disgraced former National Security Minister and Fifa Vice President Jack Warner last week.

Warner's special was titled Jack Warner: The gloves are off. In it, he said he had compiled a series of documents, including checks and corroborated statements, and placed them in "unexpected hands,” putting all his alleged Fifa co-conspirators on watch.

Oliver is host of the Last Week Tonight with John Oliver, which airs Sunday nights on HBO. He is also co-host of weekly podcast The Bugle, alongside comedian Andy Zaltzman. And he's used both platforms to tear into Fifa and its president Sepp Blatter. This entire Last Week Tonight segment was devoted the topic.

And the latest Bugle podcast is a compilation of the duo's material about Fifa. (Both contain explicit language).

On last night's programme, Oliver didn't give too much away but encouraged fans to tune in on Tuesday, saying, “We had more to say to Jack Warner than we had room for here."

The special airs Tuesday at 9:01 pm on CCN TV6.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 14, 2015, 07:55:54 AM
Ganja found at PM's home...and we hid it
By Denyse Renne (Express).


SMOKEOUT

Former national security minister Jack Warner has admitted he and former deputy commissioner of police Mervyn Richardson were part of a plan to bury the alleged discovery of marijuana at the Phillipine home of the Prime Minister on April 12, 2013.

The Prime Minister was in New York, USA, at the time.

Warner also named Gary Griffith, then adviser to Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar and Housing Minister Dr Roodal Moonilal as being part of the plan to ensure there was no criminal probe into the alleged marijuana discovery.

Richardson, when contacted yesterday morning by the Sunday Express, refused to comment on the allegation made against him by the Independent Liberal Party (ILP) leader and Chaguanas West MP.

In a statement dated June 6, 2015, submitted to Justice of the Peace Anthony Soulette, who stamped and signed it, Warner outlined how Richardson came to Parliament and told him about the alleged drug find.

Warner's statement forms part of a dossier of documents and taped conversations he has promised to deliver to selected attorneys for safe keeping to expose corruption in the Government.

Warner is currently on bail and will re-appear at the Port of Spain Magistrates' Court on July 9. He has indicated he will be contesting any request by the US to have him extradited to answer charges of racketeering and money laundering.

The indictment against Warner follows four years of investigations by the US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and Internal Revenue Service (IRS) authorities into allegations of “rampant and systemic” corruption and rich self-dealing by FIFA officials.

On June 3, the US requested, through Interpol, that Warner and five other officials be placed on “red notice”.

Richardson retired from the Police Service in November 2013 and has been retained by the National Operations Centre as its strategic co-ordinator of Multi-Agency Co-ordinating Group. He has had his leave bought out on two occasions by the Government.

While in the Police Service, he headed several high-profile investigations, among them Emailgate.

The Sunday Express asked Richardson yesterday:

Mr Richardson, it is our information that you went to Parliament while it was in process on April 12, 2013, and met with Warner, where you informed him that four ounces of marijuana had been found outside a window of the PM's Phillipine home.

Richardson: I wouldn't comment on that.

Sunday Express: Do you recall that happening?

Richardson: I wouldn't be commenting on those matters.

Sunday Express: Is it that it didn't happen or you can't remember?

Richardson: Ms Renne, I said I will not be commenting on those matters.

Sunday Express: Shortly after this discovery, you left the service and were placed in charge of the Rapid Response Unit. Were you part of a cover-up, and this position your payment?

Richardson: Ms Renne, I would not be commenting on those matters. Have a great day.

On Friday evening, the Sunday Express was shown a copy of the police diary entry, which stated 113 grammes of marijuana were found on the Philippine premises around 7 a.m. on April 12, 2013, during a routine patrol.

Warner, in his statement to the JP, said Richardson came to Parliament on April 12, 2013, while a sitting was in progress and they went into a private room at the Parliament.

He said, “The DCP informed me that the PM's security officers at her residence in Phillipine had found that morning a packet containing 4 ozs of marijuana outside a window of the PM's Phillipine home, and according to DCP Richardson, based in the amount it can be for the purpose of trafficking”.

Warner said he was told by Richardson that Snr Supt of Special Branch Gary Gould was in charge of the Prime Minister's detail and he (Richardson) would speak to Gould.

“I immediately called Dr Roodal Moonilal, Leader of Government Business, from the Parliament and asked him how we should deal with this matter,” Warner wrote.

Moonilal advised that the Prime Minister be called and told what occurred since she was in New York at the time, according to Warner.

Warner said he did so and “the PM seemed surprised and said that she should return home immediately and asked whether she should return home and resign”.

“She then spoke with DCP Richardson, who again informed her of what he had told me.

“I prevailed upon her not to resign, but that we (Moonilal, Richardson, Captain Gary Griffith, who had been informed, and I) would use our best efforts to bury it and up to today we did.”

Contacted last Friday by the Sunday Express, Warner said he would not comment at this time, except to say, “I will be revealing more at my meeting on Thursday night. I promised the PM, the gloves are off.”

Countless calls to Persad-Bissessar and Moonilal on Friday and yesterday, as well as several text messages seeking a comment, went unanswered.

The Sunday Express also contacted press officer Francis Joseph, who said he would try to obtain a response from Persad-Bissessar, but up to press time last night there was no response.

The questions posed to the Prime Minister:

• Good morning Mrs Persad-Bissessar. I am writing an article for tomorrow's paper and would like a comment from you. On or around April 2013, four ounces of marijuana were found at your Phillipine home. Can you confirm or deny?

• Did Mr Mervyn Richardson have a conversation with you regarding this find?

Special Branch head: Richardson didn't tell me anything

The Sunday Express contacted Gary Gould yesterday morning. Gould is currently a DCP and also the deputy head at Special Branch.

Asked whether he knew about the find at the Prime Minister's residence in April 2013, Gould said, “I'm not aware of this.”

Quizzed on whether Richardson relayed this information to him, Gould said no.

Asked whether he was sure Richardson never informed him of the find, given that he (Gould) headed the Special Branch at the time, Gould said, “Something like that, I would have remembered being told to me.”

The Sunday Express asked whether it was mandatory such a report should have come to him. Gould say yes.

Contacted yesterday morning, acting Commissioner of Police Stephen Williams said he needed an opportunity to look into the matter.

“I have to look at the records of 2013 and I have no access to those records now. I'm sure if it's Special Branch, there would be records,” Williams said.

Griffith responds: Ask the police

In an e-mailed response sent yesterday evening, Gary Griffith refused to confirm or deny he was privy to the alleged incident.

He instead told the Sunday Express to check with the police.

He said when he operated as a minister of National Security, “I am obliged to still stress that it would be inappropriate to make any statement on any such allegation.

“Based on this report, it would be the police who should comment on this allegation. Having said that, let me make it abundantly clear it is impossible for any Government official to give any police officer an order to cover up any matter that warrants a police investigation or a possible charge for someone committing a criminal offence. They have no authority to do so.

“The Police Service comes under the Ministry of National Security for administration, policy and logistics support services.

“It is not in any remote way under the authority of Government officials, inclusive of National Security, National Security Council or Office of the Prime Minister, for operational purposes, which includes investigations and reporting a crime.

“For any further information reference the above, the T&T Police Service is the best avenue to answer any further questions.”

Edited text of the statement by Jack Warner

My name is Jack Austin Warner.

I was elected to Parliament on May 24, 2010, for the Chaguanas West constituency, copping the highest number of votes for any one candidate in that election.

On June 1, 2010, I was appointed Minister of Works and Transport, and later Minister of Works and Infrastructure.

On June 25, 2012, I was appointed Minister of National Security, a post from which I resigned on April 20, 2013. Prior to this, I had acted as Prime Minister of Trinidad and Tobago on no less than four occasions. In fact, I was the first minister to be appointed by the Prime Minister to act for her when she had to travel in August 2010.

As Minister of National Security, the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service was one of the agencies under my portfolio.

On Friday, April 12, 2013, DCP Mervyn Richardson came to Parliament (where sitting was in progress) and called me out. We went to a private room in the Parliament, where the DCP informed me that the PM's security officers at her residence in Philippine had found that morning a packet containing 4 ozs of marijuana outside a window of the Prime Minister's Philippine home, and according to DCP Richardson, based on the amount, it can be for the purpose of trafficking.

DCP Richardson also advised me that Senior Superintendent Special Branch Gary Gould was in charge of the Prime Minister's security detail and that he would speak to him.

I immediately called Dr Roodal Moonilal, Leader of Government Business, from the Parliament and asked him how we should deal with this matter.

He suggested that I should immediately call the Prime Minister overseas in New York and inform her, which I did.

The Prime Minister seemed surprised and said that she will return home immediately and asked whether she should return home and resign.

She then spoke with DCP Richardson, who again informed her of what he had told me. I prevailed upon her not to resign, but that instead we (Moonilal, Richardson, Captain Gary Griffith, who had been informed, and I) would use our best efforts to bury it, and up to today we did.

All of the above can be easily corroborated in the following ways:

1. By seeking the advice of Senior Superintendent Gary Gould, Head of the Special Branch;
2. By inspecting the police diary for the morning of April 12, 2013;
3. By seeking the advice on the matter from DCP Mervyn Richardson and Captain Gary Griffith. Consistent with his current behaviour, it will serve no useful purpose to interview Dr Moonilal;
4. TSTT (Telecommunications Services of Trinidad and Tobago) or DCP should be able to produce pictures of the marijuana which picture Richardson had on his mobile phone.

Respectfully submitted,
Jack Warner
Member of Parliament
Chaguanas West Constituency
June 6, 2015


Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Deeks on June 14, 2015, 08:19:58 AM
where you informed him that four ounces of marijuana had been found outside a window of the PM's Phillipine home.


Allyuh know I ain't a Kamla fan, but 4 friggin onz  a weed outside she window. Jack sparrow could ah plant it on there. Steups. 4  friggin onz??? :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: FF on June 14, 2015, 03:01:49 PM
4 ounces is a good bit of weed Deeks. It only sounding like a little bit. Just FYI
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Deeks on June 14, 2015, 04:07:28 PM
4 ounces is a good bit of weed Deeks. It only sounding like a little bit. Just FYI

You want to tell me Kamla that dotish to put 4 oz of weed outside she window. Don't make sense to me.
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on June 14, 2015, 04:15:41 PM
4 ounces is a good bit of weed Deeks. It only sounding like a little bit. Just FYI

You want to tell me Kamla that dotish to put 4 oz of weed outside she window. Don't make sense to me.

Take time, Deeks. Time will tell. Somebody soon blow the pot on this story.  It has critical mass. :rotfl: 
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: AB.Trini on June 14, 2015, 08:26:08 PM
Nah boi - there is nothing in this to suggest wrong doing- this government is too squeaky clean- this has to be all bravado or is it? Nah boi fish doh really rot from the head? I mean it had all kinda tape with former minister in hotel room doing and look nah it took ah Long time to get rid of that one- people allegeding  that it was not he in the video - now this nah - all joking aside , there is something kinda ridiculous about this to implicate someone- this is a weak case that just creates more scandal. When you read the papers these days yuh just have to laugh sometime we.

I listening to Montano
SCANDAL - DELIERIOUS
All kinda jump and wave starting to explode in meh head - wave ah flag cause I eh seeing this as having substance or could it be so? Nah boi  too many  unfounded stories in parliment this year- whey Cro Cro?
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: lefty on June 15, 2015, 07:30:10 AM
steups warner needs to shut up if he can't prove his claims with nutten more than his word.....which ent worth crap right about now..............I'll say it again he seems have nothing on the gov't, where d info on Sepp he promise............if he does have sumting serious, it will be easily dismissed by the time he releases it due to his now nonexistent credibility   
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Sando prince on June 15, 2015, 09:52:52 AM
This whole John Oliver and Jack issue is pathetic. My advice to him is to keep his pathetic comedic battle between himself and Jack, and don't insult Trinidad and Tobago. Show some class
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 16, 2015, 01:57:52 AM
I don’t know Jack
T&T Guardian Reports.


A couple of decades ago, I set off from the Guardian’s offices and walked a few blocks to Jack Warner’s offices higher up St Vincent Street. I was mildly intimidated by the assignment, which was to provide images for a business story by my late friend and colleague, Terry Joseph. I was insulated from much of the impact of my subject’s considerable fame through my lifelong disinterest in sports generally and football in particular.

It was striking to look at the videos featuring Mr Warner which have become part of popular culture recently. I pulled up some scans I’d done from that shoot for my archives, and it was almost surreal how similar his office and desk setup are now to the one I encountered. The technology has marched on and newer gear surrounds him now, but he affects the same sense of a man surrounded by work who confidently keeps it under control with an iron grip and steely will.

In 2006, about 15 years after I’d had my first and only encounter with him, Warner was the vice-president of FIFA, president of Concacaf, a special adviser to the TTFF, a successful businessman and a key political figure as the deputy political leader of the UNC. Today, he is, according to the United States government, a wanted man with an indictment awaiting him should he ever set foot on their soil and a red listed person of interest at Interpol.

In the face of all this deadly seriousness then, it’s a little hard to understand how everything became so bitterly funny. Some of it has to do with Warner’s presence and uniquely Trinidadian approach to things. Whatever else he has been in his life, he offers an intense focus on whoever he happens to be dealing with, as I discovered on that assignment.

Unhappy with the determinedly sedate executive spaces he offered for the photography, I suggested that we head outside to get the plexiglas half-dome of the Concacaf logo and the sharp geometries of the building into the frame. To do this, I had to lie down in the drain just off to his left and he took direction well.

As I walked into his office afterward to collect the remainder of my gear, he reached into a desk drawer and took out a Fifa tie and pin and offered it to me, complimenting me on my approach to my work. For many years afterward, that tie remained a part of my cycle of executive nooses during that phase of my life and a pleasant reminder of my encounter with a great man.

Of course, I didn’t really know jack about Mr Warner, just his reputation and the evidence of my encounter with him. Now, Warner occupies a unique space in the global discussion about Fifa corruption, one that apparently defies even the best comedians. When John Oliver decided to take on Jack Warner on his home turf, his clever, almost reverential assault on the former Fifa honcho never seemed to pick up steam.

At least part of that stemmed from Oliver’s unwillingness to tease the nation that’s tacitly supported Jack Warner for decades, but a large part of it has to do with Warner’s Teflon imperviousness to being the butt of a joke.

John Oliver’s made for global consumption segment on TV6, The Mittens of Disapproval are On, withered in the face of Jack Warner’s home-hewn response, a tour de force of hilarity, which pitted the embattled former executive against his own considerable speech impediment, an incomprehensible script and the swelling roar of music stolen from upcoming composer Greg Dombrowski.

Like one of those truly strange onions that crop up from time to time, Jack Warner resists ready peeling, you get the skin off, think you’re into the meat of the thing, only to find another mutant skin under it. It’s easy now to get all hot and bothered about shame and embarrassment and that nebulous place, “the international stage,” but T&T failed the most basic of questions that an investigator might ask about all of this.

What did we know? How long did we know it? And what did we do about it? The answers, of course, are all of it, all along and nothing. Because even after all these accusations, I really didn’t know Jack and chances are, neither did you.

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Jack Warner photographed outside the St Vincent Street offices of Concacaf in the early 1990’s. PHOTO: MARK LYNDERSAY

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 16, 2015, 02:06:05 AM
PM was out of country on April 14, 2013
By Anna Ramdass (Express)


Chaguanas West MP Jack Warner said yesterday that in 24 hours he will speak out on his admission that he was part of a plan to cover up marijuana allegedly found outside a window at Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar's Phillipine home on April 12, 2013.

The Prime Minister has denied Warner's allegations, saying it was lies and distractions and he should take any information he has of any wrongdoing to the FBI and local police.

Contacted yesterday on whether he still stood by his sworn affidavit, Warner said: “I much prefer not to comment on this issue at this stage. I will however do so in the next 24 hours.”

On June 6, 2015, Warner submitted a statement to Justice of the Peace Anthony Soulette in which he claimed that on Friday, April 12, 2013, former deputy commissioner of police, Mervyn Richardson, came to the Parliament and informed him (Warner) that a packet containing four ounces of marijuana was found outside a window of Persad-Bissessar's private Phillipine residence.

Warner, who was national security minister at the time, stated he raised the matter with Housing Minister Dr Roodal Moonilal who advised him to contact the Prime Minister who, according to Warner, was in New York at the time.

Warner claimed when he contacted the Prime Minister she was surprised and enquired whether she should return home immediately and resign.

He stated in his sworn affidavit that he told Persad-Bissessar to not resign as he and others—Richardson, Moonilal as well as former national security adviser Gary Griffith —would cover up the ganja find.

Gazette: PM left T&T on April 14

While Warner claims the Prime Minister was abroad, checks by the Express found several media reports as well as the Trinidad and Tobago Gazette indicated Persad-Bissessar left Trinidad for the United States on Sunday, April 14, 2013.

The Trinidad and Tobago Gazette dated April 18, 2013 stated notice was given on April 12, that Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Dookeran be appointed to act as Prime Minister effective April 14, 2013 in Persad-Bissessar's absence.

Media reports from the three daily newspapers—Express, Guardian and Newsday—all carried reports that the Prime Minister was scheduled to leave for the United States on April, 14, 2013.

A number of local television station websites and social media sites also carried the same report.

The reports were based on a release from the Office of the Prime Minister which stated the Prime Minister would leave for New York to go to the United Nations headquarters where she was to speak at a debate on “The UN and Global Economic Governance.”

From New York, the Prime Minister went to Washington to attend the OAS Americas-Africa Business Forum where she participated in discussion around the theme of “New Commercial Partnerships for Economic Growth”.

Persad-Bissessar was scheduled to return home on April 20.

Warner resigns as National Security Minister

The Prime Minister had returned home to the heated controversy surrounding the Sir David Simmons Ethics Committee report which accused Warner and former secretary general Chuck Blazer of enriching themselves through fraud during their time with FIFA.

They were accused of failing to disclose that the $25.9m (£17m) Centre of Excellence was built on Warner's land and that Blazer received $20m from Concacaf.

Warner had resigned his role as FIFA vice-president in 2011 after being accused of paying bribes to Caribbean football associations.

On Sunday, April 21, one day after her return, Persad-Bissessar met with Warner at her South Phillipine residence and later that night announced to the media she had accepted his resignation.

Following the axing of Warner the Prime Minister left the country for Canada on April 23-26, 2013 on the invitation of Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper.

Labour Minister Errol McLeod acted as Prime Minister.

On her return to Trinidad following that trip she was pressed as to whether she was pressured to get rid of Warner, Persad-Bissessar had said, “You know, before they said I was controlled by Mr Warner. I don't know if it's because I am a woman people think that I am weak or something, so I was controlled by Mr Warner, I was his puppet and now I am controlled by some other persons.”

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 17, 2015, 01:51:56 AM
Prove it, Prime Minister!
By Gail Alexander (Guardian).


That’s the challenge thrown out to Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar yesterday by embattled Independent Liberal Party (ILP) leader Jack Warner, who also accused acting Police Commissioner Stephen Williams of not speaking the truth on the alleged ganja which Warner claims was discovered on the PM’s property on April 12, 2013.

Warner, who claimed he had spoken to the PM on it at the time while she was in the US, says she must prove she was in T&T and must also prove there was no “weed” in her house.

“...And she must also tell T&T about her closeness to (sacked minister) Anil Roberts and the reason for that,” he added at a Centre of Excellence, Macoya, media briefing yesterday.

He said the PM, Williams and retired deputy commissioner of police Mervyn Richardson were “lying on the matter” and Williams was trying to “cover up for Kamla...”

“Why?” Warner added, calling for Williams to “do his job, go to the (police) station (in question) and take the (station) diary.

“If the deputy commissioner of police doesn’t speak the truth, who will? And he says it’s all about politics,” he said, also accusing Richardson of “doing a good job covering up.”

Warner called the briefing to talk about fall-out following his weekend allegation that four ounces of ganja were allegedly found on a ledge outside a window on the PM’s Palmiste property in 2013.

He claimed Richardson had told him that on April 12, 2013, when it was allegedly found. He was national security minister at the time.

He claimed he called the People’s Partnership’s Dr Roodal Moonilal on it and he suggested Warner speak to the PM, who was in the US.

Warner claimed he spoke to Persad-Bissessar and she asked if she should return home and resign and he prevailed on her not to, while himself Moonilal and Richardson “buried” the matter.

Yesterday, Warner said the PM’s adviser in 2013, Gary Griffith, wasn’t involved in the cover-up but was later told of it. He, however, revealed tapes of conversations on the issue he had with Griffith and who also “bad talked” the PM.

Warner said he always had a “gut feeling” the day would come when he would have to “show T&T who the Prime Minister is, who Richardson is and who Jack Warner is,” so he kept tapes for a day like that.

Warner said he was talking of the alleged ganja issue now since it was time for re-election and Persad-Bissessar “is unfit to be re-elected... this is the tip of the iceberg, I ent start yet!”

He said he didn’t say anything until now since he had been hoping for some kind of investigation to close the chapter and since there was none, he did so.

He also added there was a point in time when he would have given his life for the PM, since he thought she was a victim of the cabal — “Ramlogan, Suruj, Moonilal, Sharma” — and had not replied to PP attacks.

But he said when the US issued an arrest warrant for him and “my Prime Minister tell the AG to sign it and ‘go for him, I said that can’t be the cabal. So my eyes opened and this ‘Teflon’ Prime Minister had to be exposed.”

Warner said he was compelled to speak yesterday because Griffith had called him last Sunday on the ganja story but since then everything had been done to discredit him, including the acting CoP’s statement on the matter.

He also said he was speaking out since Express reporter Denyse Renne had been “demonised”, including by colleagues in the same paper, he claimed, for writing last weekend’s story.

Warner detailed how he called Renne on his way home after he left the Parliament last Friday (when elections were announced).

He said she said she was in Moruga but he told her to wait for him in San Juan, since he had something to give her. He said he met her there later and gave her a June 6, 2015, affidavit he had done by Justice of the Peace Anthony Soulette on the matter.

In defending Renne and saying she was treated unfairly, Warner challenged yesterday’s Express report by Anna Ramdass which stated that according to the T&T Gazette, the appointment of MP Winston Dookeran, who acted for the PM when she went to the US in April 2013, was effective April 14. He claimed the instrument of appointment was issued April 12.

The Chaguanas MP detailed futile efforts he made in seeking records from the VIP Lounge, Foreign Affairs and NY Consulate to ascertain the PM’s location during the period. He said Parliament staff said she was not in Parliament on April 12, 2013.

He added: “It’s not my burden to prove the PM was out of T&T but she has to prove she was in T&T and up to now she hasn’t proved this.”

Warner claimed Richardson showed him a picture on his phone of the alleged ganja evidence. He said it would be easy for TSTT to check Richardson’s phone records on this.

He said he was told the officer in the station in question took a picture but would not name the officer or station and urged the media to follow it up.

He also took issue with a US judge who urged people to support the PM.

Warner said he would be playing the tapes he had compiled at all ILP meetings — in South tomorrow — and will be holding three public meetings weekly.

He said if his revelations had caused so much “confusion and back-biting... wait until the others come out.” He claimed sentry diaries at the Diplomatic Centre residence were also changed.

Warner, who refused to answer football issue queries, said he intended to have his day in court on that and answer there. He denied any Panama trip with a minister in 2010.

Last night there was no statement from the Prime Minister’s office on Warner’s claims. Also contacted by the media last night, Moonilal said he preferred not to comment.

Griffith taped discussing issue

Chaguanas MP Jack Warner said yesterday that after “flawed” reports in the Express and from the acting CoP, he had to use the tapes he allegedly recorded with Griffith to prove his case.

In the first the voice recording, which Griffith yesterday confirmed was his, he said the PM comes to Parliament and stays in her officer there and goes home and that her weekends are from Friday night to Wednesday, so when the PP came to ask for another five years, people had to ask if they wanted a five-day weekend. The voice is also heard telling Warner they both have enough “ammo” on the PP.

In another tape, which Warner claimed was made last weekend, Griffith insisted he was not involved in a cover-up on the weed issue and had not spoken to the PM.

He said the police would have to speak on the issue and the onus was on them — Richardson and Garth Gould — of the Special Branch, to “come clean and admit they” found something.”

Griffith is also heard telling Warner he would not deny that he knew about the issue but could not say it was marijuana.

In a third tape, both continue to debate the matter, with Griffith saying he could not come forward on the matter and Warner is heard asking if he should call reporter Renne and tell her to call Griffith.

In another tape made yesterday morning, Griffith is heard asking Warner if he had heard the acting Cop’s statement on the issue and deciding what to say, with Warner saying: All you have to do Gary is tell the truth.”

Warner also revealed text messages between himself and Griffith.

VIDEO: - Jack Warner's Press Conference (Audio) (https://soundcloud.com/sunilyr/jack-warner-press-conference-june-16-2015)

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: dtool on June 17, 2015, 05:21:03 AM

This election is a rerun of the movie The Fistful of Dollars

"The Rojos (PNM) on one side of town, the Baxters (PP) on the other, and me (Jack) right in the middle."

I know the end of the movie ...... will the election end the same way???????

"A man's life in these parts often depends on a mere scrap of information"
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Deeks on June 17, 2015, 06:07:55 AM
It still don't make sense to me. The PM was out of the country and the police found 4 oz of weed outside she window. I could imagine Kamla's husband tell she before they go overseas, " Kams baby, don't forget to leave the ganja outside the window for Jack's sparrow to pick up."
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Sando prince on June 17, 2015, 06:15:02 AM

WARNER RELEASES PHONE RECORDINGS

https://www.facebook.com/CNC3Television/videos/10153407365722996/

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Jack Warner has produced phone recordings of a conversation between him and Gary Griffith about the alleged drug find at the prime minister's private home.
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 18, 2015, 02:01:25 AM
Jack claims ganja find at PM’s home not first: ‘Tell the country who Christian is Kamla’
By Kevon Felmine (Guardian).


Independent Liberal Party leader Jack Warner has given Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar two weeks to reveal to the nation who “Christian” is before he does it himself. He made the challenge to Persad-Bissessar at a cottage meeting at Embacadere, San Fernando, last night as he continued to question the circumstances surrounding marijuana found at her Philippine, San Fernando residence in 2013.

Warner again threatened to expose the PM until the eve of the September 7 general elections, saying that the issue of marijuana being found at her residence was a small issue compared to the other files he plans to release on her. “We have bacchanal until September 6 and it will get bigger and bigger. When I buss the last one, who ain’t dead, badly wounded. Kamla has to be exposed,” Warner said.

He continued, “Kamla, tell this country who is Christian and if you can’t remember, ask the special reserve police officer, his name is Jit Hardeen. He will tell you who is Christian. And Kamla, if in two weeks time you don’t tell us, I will tell you.”

Warner also questioned whether there were other discoveries of marijuana at the PM’s home, as he said former DCP Mervyn Richardson had showed him a picture of the marijuana found in a window sill at her home, but noted that in a release the PM had given another location and amount. He added that former national security minister Gary Griffith also spoke about “two joints” during a radio interview yesterday.

The Chaguanas MP said Persad-Bissessar had violated the sanctity of a prime minister’s home, as there has been no other leader in the Commonwealth where marijuana had been found at their home. He claimed Persad-Bissessar was also the only person who had a five-day weekend, as she has been going home every Friday and returning to Port-of-Spain on Wednesday within recent years. He alleged whenever she could not resume work in Port-of-Spain, she would call Cabinet meetings in San Fernando on Thursdays.

Also commenting on the resignation of former Congress of the People (COP) leader Winston Dookeran, he said it was a little too late. He said the COP had failed because Dookeran gave the party to Legal Affairs Minister Prakash Ramadhar, who was the lawyer of Dole Chadee, a former notorious drug lord.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 18, 2015, 02:02:10 AM
Griffith: Police dropped the ball.
By Gail Alexander (Guardian)


Head of Special Branch Senior Supt Gary Gould said yesterday the investigator probing the discovery of marijuana at the prime minister’s property in 2013 would deal with whatever issue arose regarding a report on the matter. Gould headed the Special Branch in 2013 when the drugs were found.

He had submitted a report to the acting Police Commissioner on Tuesday—just prior to a news conference on the issue by Independent Liberal Party (ILP) political leader Jack Warner—that five grammes of a plant-like material resembling marijuana was found by a member of the Special Branch in a plastic bag in the male washroom of a gazebo on the western end of the PM’s Phillipine residence on April 19, 2013, around 8.50 am.

Warner has said he was informed by former deputy commissioner of police Mervyn Richardson on April 12, 2013, of the discovery of four ounces of weed on a ledge outside a window of the PM’s house. He said an officer had taken a photo of the find and he urged the media to check the police station and diary on the matter. Contacted yesterday, Gould declined questions, saying: “I’m not in a position to discuss anything on the matter.”

Yesterday, Warner, when asked about the difference in details given by himself and the police report, said: “The police say they discovered material ‘resembling that of marijuana’ in the male toilet of the PM's Phillipine home on April 19. I say that members of the PM’s security detail discovered four ounces of marijuana on the ground outside a window of the PM’s Phillipine home on April 12.

“The PM in her two-paragraph release refers to something ‘found on the common grounds outside of my residence’ etc, and that she was out of the country. Don’t tell me that you don’t see the contradictions here and that this matter is getting messier and messier because of the series of lies that are being offered by the minute.”

 Former national security minister Gary Griffith also said someone in the police service “dropped the ball” on the matter since an analysis of the “plant-like substance” should have been done at the time which would have ascertained whether it was an illegal substance. “Or at least it should have been by now,” he added. He maintained it was for the police to comment on the issue.

Griffith said he would have been out of place to try to speak to the police on any matter as that would have usurped the then national security minister’s authority. Warner was national security minister during that period. He said Warner just mentioned the issue to him, probably as hearsay, not for Griffith to have acted on since it would have been the minister who liased with the Prime Minister on such a matter.

On Tuesday, Griffith confirmed he had attempted to speak to Warner to make peace between the ILP and People’s Partnership (PP). Warner, at his earlier media conference, said United National Congress officials and a Congress of the People emissary had been holding talks with him in the last four months to try to restore his relationship with the PP. Warner had claimed this was to make him the “poster boy for the East-West corridor.”

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 19, 2015, 02:05:44 AM
PM says ‘Christian’ lives next door: Jack delusional
By Sascha Wilson (Guardian).


Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar says she has a neighbour named Christian Gokool but to her knowledge he has never received any Government contracts.

Also responding to Independent Liberal Party leader Jack Warner’s questions on whether there were at least three drug finds in 2013  at he home at Philippine, San Fernando, Persad-Bissessar said Warner was “delusional.”

She said so yesterday as she responded to Warner’s claims, at a cottage meeting at Embacadere, San Fernando, on Wednesday night.

During his speech, Warner spoke about the 2013 alleged marijuana find and questioned whether there were more than what was confirmed by the police. He also gave Persad-Bissessar two weeks to tell the nation who “Christian” was.

Interviewed by reporters following the sod-turning of the Housing Development Corporation and Republic Bank’s Carlton Lane Housing Project yesterday, Persad-Bissessar said Warner needed to be more specific because she knew several “Christians”.

“I do not know which “Christian” he is speaking about so we await his words,” she first said.

But asked by reporters if Warner may have be referring to Christian Gokool, she said: “Oh yes, that name is familiar to me. In fact, Christian Gokool is my neighbour at the Philippine residence, one of the properties next door belongs to him, his father and his wife.”

Asked if Gokool was a recipient of Government contracts, she replied: “Not to my knowledge that Mr Gokool has received any government contract. I am not aware of any such contract.”

Told that Warner was also questioning whether marijuana was in fact found three times on her premises and not once as confirmed by the police, Persad-Bissessar said:

“Mr Warner is delusional, quite frankly. There is something that says he who alleges must prove and I await Mr Warner to prove any of the allegations that he has made.

“If it is that the police have reported something was found there fine, the police is investigating that, go ahead.

“Mr Warner said I was in New York (April) 12 (2013). I could hold up my passport to you and show I left the country on the (April) 14 (2013), so now he is shifting the goalpost at every single moment, shifting the dates. I think he is delusional, quite frankly.”

She suggested that reporters ask Warner why he resigned the day after she returned to the country.

But speaking at a political meeting in La Brea last night, Warner again stuck to his guns on the claim, saying he had given the PM two weeks to say who Christian is or he would. He said if the People’s Partnership believed he was bluffing they could wait until the time passed and he would deliver the bombshell if they did not.

Resignation claim false

Persad-Bissessar also denied asking Warner if she should resign after the marijuana was allegedly found.

“Of course not. I have gone through five years of office with people calling upon me to resign every day. Would I ask someone if I should resign? No... totally not true.”

Reiterating  she was not aware of the marijuana find in 2013, she said when the report came about it she felt horrified and very disturbed.

“The report speaks to a point in my premises which is like hundreds of yards away. it is way out.

“I have no control of that part of my premises, no direct control. It is in fact under the control of police, soldiers, other workers, Special Branch... they have control of those portions of the premises,” she added.

Told that Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley had said the easiest way for her to end that was to say she did not smoke marijuana, she was asked if she ever smoked marijuana.

“I think he might be high when he asked that question,” she replied.

Persad-Bissessar also said people were not foolish and she did not believe anyone in the country thought Warner could become prime minister but noted the people would decide on September 7.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: AB.Trini on June 19, 2015, 06:27:27 AM
Charades or facts? Innuendoes or  facts?  I think is time that the nation be presented with an open disclosure of what is ,  as opposed to being subjected each day with what is appearing to be sensationalism and political manuvering and jockeying  for political gains.
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: lefty on June 20, 2015, 08:18:14 PM
Local banks and dirty $$ dealings.
By Camini Marajh (Express)


For over a decade, indicted football jefe and former high ranking government minister Austin Jack Warner sold tens of millions of US dollars to legitimate local businesses in contravention of the Exchange Control laws of this country.

Those currency trades involving alleged dirty money were done through several local banks which have come under scrutiny of US prosecutors investigating a US$150 million world football bribery scheme.

That Warner used several local banks to conduct his business, had a plethora of bank accounts, conducted cash raids on football accounts under his control or sloshed funds through a maze of parallel football and personal bank accounts is not new.

Those details were revealed in a special investigative series published in this newspaper two years ago.

New and significant, however, is the possible money laundering local banks allowed to take place, according to a US law enforcement source with knowledge of the situation.

New questions are being asked about the banks compliance measures; customer due diligence and record keeping in connection with the well-known international football figure and former acting prime minister whose high public-profile automatically placed him on a financial institutions PEP (politically exposed person) watch-list for a higher degree of financial scrutiny.

US investigators are looking into how tens of millions of US dollars were banked, shifted around and then disappeared altogether and why the local financial system, including the banks, Board of Inland Revenue (BIR) and Central Bank regulators failed so dramatically to flag possible decades-old money laundering, tax evasion and other financial crimes allegedly committed by Warner.

Maze of bank accounts

In laying out a sweeping corruption case against 14 defendants, including Warner, US prosecutors have detailed allegations of corrupt transactions and kickbacks going through a maze of bank accounts in dozens of different jurisdictions over two decades involving top officials in football’s governing body, FIFA.

From Switzerland and Qatar to Trinidad and Tobago and the Cayman Islands, a substantial number of those corrupt transactions passed through the local banking system, according to the US Department of Justice (DOJ), despite tightened and stringent anti-money laundering (AML) and terrorist financing rules issued by the global intergovernmental body, Financial Action Task Force (FATF) which came into force in 2010.

What is emerging from the US DOJ investigation into the FIFA corruption scandal is a portrait of failed regulation which Warner used to enrich his family business empire. US sources, speaking on condition of strict anonymity, revealed that ongoing criminal investigations have turned up a series of suspicious banking activity at three local banks, specifically State-owned First Citizens (FCB), Intercommercial Bank Ltd (IBL) and Republic Bank Ltd (RBL).

Investigators are said to have flagged the routing of millions of dollars from football accounts held at RBL to private-Warner controlled accounts at FCB.

Warner is said to have emptied out millions from Concacaf, Caribbean Football Union (CFU) and the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) bank accounts via USD bank drafts made payable to FCB.

US$2 million in USD bank drafts

Banking sources say this sort of circuitous cash transfers via a payee account in the name of a bank is highly “unusual”.

Ved Seereeram, a former Citi-banker and financial analyst said: “At best, it is a suspicious transaction. The bank should not allow it.” Close to US$2 million of these transactions are said to have passed through FCB’s accounts, according to sources.

On June 12, Sharon Christopher, deputy CEO in charge of corporate administration at FCB, declined to comment on the specific question relating to RBL-issued USD bank drafts made payable to the state-owned bank.

Her stock response to questions relating to FCB’s role in the unfolding Warner corruption story was: “First Citizens is a financial institution that conducts its affairs in strict accordance with the laws of the jurisdiction in which we operate, including anti-money laundering laws. Accordingly, First Citizens will not knowingly facilitate any criminal activity whatsoever, including money laundering.”

Larry Howai, who traded in his CEO job at the national bank in 2012 for a government post in Finance as Minister of the Economy and on whose watch a lot of these US-flagged transactions took place, responded this way to whether FCB was perhaps overly accommodating to the former government minister: “Transactions are handled by branch or unit that is dealing with any account not by executive so I would not be familiar with any transaction. I am sure that the bank would have at all times observed procedures.”

On the question of whether FCB followed regulatory practices as required by the FATF-issued AML-regime, Howai, who left FCB with a golden handshake, said: “I know that the bank established an Operational Risk Unit to ensure compliance with regulators so it would be unlikely that it did not comply.”

Theft of Haiti money

US sources say Warner used an array of tactics to camouflage his alleged theft of football funds including US$750,000 in emergency aid intended for earthquake-devastated Haiti in 2010.

FIFA’s donation of US$250,000 was wire transferred into a TTFF account at RBL on January 18, 2010. A second donation of US$500,000 from the Korean Football Association was paid into a Concacaf account at RBL on February 4, 2010.

Approximately US$700,000 of that emergency relief money ended up in Warner’s pocket, according to sources. About US$155,000 was sold in currency trades to the JTA Group and International Shipping Ltd (ISL). Another $100,000 was routed through a Daryan Warner company called, We Buy Houses.

Warner’s two sons, Daryan and Daryll, have also been indicted by US prosecutors on corruption charges related to the FIFA bribery case. Both have pleaded guilty to a variety of fraud and money-laundering charges. Only US$50,000 of the emergency aid money destined for the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere reached the Haitian football federation.

During his heyday when he ruled the football world – he had effective control of Concacaf, CFU, TTFF and Loc Germany— ­­ Warner is reported to have controlled 79 USD and TT accounts held in local banks.

The accounts were held in the names of miscellaneous and parallel privately-owned companies, football bodies and personal accounts held in his name.

FCB has refused to comment on reports that it has stonewalled a court order for the production of bank records or that it provided deficient information relating to Warner-conducted transactions, including a lack of supporting documents on wire transfers and source of funds declarations.

The bank’s deputy CEO, Christopher, maintained: “We are bound by the laws of client confidentiality from discussing any matter related to any person/entity who may conduct business with us.”

The bin Hammam bribe

Still, the growing stockpile of evidence shows that Warner moved tens of millions of US dollars around the local banks with apparent ease.

In the case of the US$1.2 million kickback from football pal and Qatari billionaire Mohamed bin Hammam, it took two failed wire transfer attempts through international correspondent banks before the money was paid directly to a Warner Intercommercial bank account.

US banks twice red-flagged the transaction and demanded a more detailed explanation for the US$1.2 million wire transfer payment to the two Warner boys and personal Warner assistant from bin Hammam’s private company, Khalid Electrical and Mechanical Est (kemco) in July 2011.

As reported previously, bin Hammam also failed in a second attempt to send the money to Warner’s Cayman account in the name of J&D International.

He succeeded on the third try to Intercommercial Bank Chaguanas branch. Former CEO of IBL, Krishna Boodhai, the last director standing in Clico, refused comment when contacted by the Sunday Express. “I have absolutely no comment to make on this matter,” he said.

US authorities have reportedly flagged a number of transactions at the Indian-owned bank, including the bin Hammam US$1.2 million kickback paid to Warner for arranging the 2011 cash-for-votes CFU meeting at the Hyatt hotel in Port of Spain.

Warner has repeatedly denied any wrongdoing and has just as often refused to provide any explanation about any of the allegations made against him. He has also proclaimed his innocence on US charges of wire fraud, racketeering and money laundering.

Millions in $100 bills

Huge cash deposits in TT$100 bills made to a personal bank account at Intercommercial are said to be engaging the attention of investigators following Warner’s money trail.

In the six month period between September 2012 and February 2013, Warner, then the minister of national security, is reported to have deposited TT$2.5 million in cash. The source of funds is listed as commercial rental income from the disputed Dr Joao Havelange Centre of Excellence (CoE) and other unnamed businesses.

The Sunday Express was told Warner banked more than TT$9 million in cash 100 bills to one of six Intercommercial bank accounts between August 2011 (following his resignation from all football bodies in the wake of the bin Hammam bribery scandal) and January last year.

Source of funds filings list the cash deposits as “rental income from property”.

Banking sources say the cash deposits raise an obvious red flag. They say the large cash deposits usually come from supermarkets and casinos. The CoE derives its income from trade shows, concerts, conferences and weddings, among other things.

New CEO at IBL, Nigel Romano, insists that Intercommercial has complied with all of the requirements of the AML regime but was unable to comment on specific transactions because of client confidentiality. “Under the law we cannot tell you we flagged specific transactions,” he said, saying, “We feel very comfortable that we have complied and did what we were supposed to do.”

Asked if IBL was comfortable accepting bin Hammam’s money after US banks twice refused it in 2011, he said Intercommercial was not informed of those prior attempts to wire funds from Doha, Qatar.

He said Intercommercial was not informed by the international correspondent banks of the failed attempts and noted that: “It is something we will have to take up.”

Suspicious bank activity

He said Intercommercial was scrupulous in its record keeping and “sometimes go further” and ask customers for documentation to support the source of funds declarations.

Without giving any details, Romano said there have been instances when the bank rejected transactions and made the requisite suspicious activity report to the Financial Intelligence Unit (FIU) which last year reported 617 suspicious transactions, up from the previous year’s figure of 554.

Romano declined to talk about the large cash deposits made by Warner, saying only that Intercommercial always try to up its game in relation to PEP or high risk customers.

Intercommercial account number 373 498 0401 in the name of Jack Warner also received cheque payments from the Chaguanas West Constituency Office. Warner is the Member of Parliament for Chaguanas West and is said to be the sole signatory of the RBL held bank account, said sources.

Another transaction under scrutiny of US prosecutors is the US$10 million bribe payment made to a Warner-created dummy programme called the African diaspora legacy in exchange for votes in favour of South Africa hosting the 2010 World Cup.

Bribe from South Africa

Three wire transfers from FIFA’s UBS account in Zurich, Switzerland, were paid into two Warner-controlled football accounts at Republic Bank Ltd (RBL), namely CFU and Concacaf. And as reported previously by this newspaper, a significant portion of the 2008 kickback went towards settling credit card debt and a personal loan, among other things. More than half of the SA bribe was disposed of in currency trade sales with JTA and ISL.

Chairman of RBL Ronald Harford said Republic was “reviewing transactions one by one to see if there was any laxity in any way”.

Michelle Palmer-Keizer, another RBL official said a lot of the transactions under review by US authorities, including the FIFA US$10 million deposit predated the AML rules. She said, however, the bank has red- flagged transactions and have had follow-up enquiries from the FIU and the police Financial Investigations Bureau (FIB).

A legal source, who preferred not to be quoted, said the FIU should be given investigatory and prosecutorial powers to go after white collar criminals. The agency operates as a repository for suspicious activity reports. Investigations are conducted by the FIB whose head, Superintendent Wendy Wilkinson said the agency’s secrecy rules prohibits her from saying anything.

There have been little or no convictions for white collar crime in Trinidad and Tobago.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: lefty on June 20, 2015, 08:19:39 PM
maybe dis fiasco might force we to change d smart man culture we love to glorify so much
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Bitter on June 21, 2015, 05:53:13 PM
maybe dis fiasco might force we to change d smart man culture we love to glorify so much

You post this in the wrong place. Try here: http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?board=8.0 
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on June 22, 2015, 12:58:25 PM
maybe dis fiasco might force we to change d smart man culture we love to glorify so much

You post this in the wrong place. Try here: http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?board=8.0 

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Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: lefty on June 22, 2015, 01:03:16 PM
maybe dis fiasco might force we to change d smart man culture we love to glorify so much

You post this in the wrong place. Try here: http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?board=8.0 

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Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 24, 2015, 01:58:47 AM
Kamla: I refused to be blackmailed.
By Anika Gumbs (Express).


BLACKMAIL

PRIME Minister Kamla Persad- Bissessar said last night corruption accused Jack Warner is releasing tapes because she refused to be blackmailed in exchange for his reinstatement to the Cabinet.

Persad-Bissessar said she was made aware of the information on the tape immediately following the resignation of Warner as national security minister, but refused to give in to his demands and give him back his job.

This particular tape, featuring allegations of corruption against former minister of the people Dr Glenn Ramadharsingh and his instructions to Kristyan Gokool to go to her official St Ann's residence (which he has denied), was made on August 2013, about four months after Warner resigned from the Government.

Responding to questions sent by the Express yesterday by text, enquiring whether she was privy to the information on the audio tapes before it was aired by Warner, Persad-Bissessar said: “Yes. Immediately after he had resigned from my Cabinet on my request, when in the face of damning allegations about FIFA (including the Sir David Simmons Report), I requested that he go and clear his name. I was made aware of what was being alleged, in an effort to blackmail me into taking him back into Government. Indeed, the allegations featured in the Chaguanas by-election.”

Contrived and bogus allegations

Pressed on her blackmail statement, Persad-Bissessar said: “In light of all of these bogus and contrived allegations, what am I left to assume? As you are aware, he has been bragging that he has files on members of my Government, and immediately after his resignation and more recently, he has been coming to the public with contrived and bogus allegations. He asked to be reinstated in his Government position or else he will bring down my entire Government.”

Former minister of national security minister Gary Griffith is on record as saying he held informal talks with Warner to bridge the gap between him and the People's Partnership.

When the Express contacted Warner yesterday, asking if he attempted to use the recording to get back his job or form an alliance with the Partnership in the upcoming elections, he denied doing this.

Warner said: “I never ever bargained with Ms Persad-Bissessar or anyone else re these disclosures. There are only three people who I have given a copy of the tape—the Integrity Commission, about two years ago; a lawyer, three weeks ago; and Mark Bassant (TV6 reporter), two weeks ago. Kamla has no favours that I want, now or ever. Finally, I do wish to reiterate to the national community that the worst is yet to come.

“I never sent emissaries at any­ time to talk with Kamla but she did, and let her deny that and I will prove it.”

Arrest a plot by Partnership

Warner resigned as national security minister on April 21, 2013, following a damning report from chairman of the CONCACAF (Confederation of North, Central American and Caribbean Associations o Football) Integrity Committee Sir David Simmons, which revealed multimillion-dollar financial mismanagement by Warner and former Concacaf general secretary Chuck Blazer. Both men have been indicted by the United States on corruption charges.

Warner is on $2.5 million bail to cover eight criminal charges, on which he and 14 people are wanted in the United States in connection with allegations of bribery, money laundering, corruption and wire- fraud conspiracy, arising out of investigations conducted by the US government into operations at FIFA (Federation Internationale de Football Association).

But according to Warner, his arrest was a plot by the Partnership to silence him in the upcoming general election.

Declaring on May 27 “the gloves are off”, Warner also blamed the Partnership for him spending the night at the Frederick Street prison after he was unable to secure bail.

Since then, Warner has held two news conferences, airing voice recordings directly aimed at Persad-Bissessar and the People's Partnership.

Warner, who first made the claim of a marijuana find at Persad-Bissessar's private Phillipine residence, held a news conference on June 16 to defend his claim, insisting she was out of the country at the time of the discovery and wanted to resign when told of the discovery.

Persad-Bissessar has denied wanting to resign her job as Prime Minister and described Warner as “delusional”.

Warner also threw out the question “Who is Kristyan?” to Persad- Bissessar last Wednesday, at a political meeting in San Fernando.

Warner said: “Kamla, for your sake and the country sake, tell them who is Kristyan. That is all. Tell the country who is Kristyan, Kamla. I go further to tell you to tell Jit Hardeen, a special reserve police (SRP) offi­cer; ask him to tell us who is Kristyan because if she does not and he does not in two weeks' time I will.”

Persad-Bissessar has said Kristyan Gokool is her neighbour and has attended functions at her home and the official residence at the Diplomatic Centre, St Ann's.

Investigations by the Express have found Gokool bought a $6 million mansion next door to Persad-Bissessar's private Phillipine residence but has never lived in the house.

Persad-Bissessar has denied knowing Hardeen but said she was informed he was the driver of Ramadharsingh.

PM, Hardeen lash Jack.
By Gail Alexander (Guardian)


Immediate dismissals from Jitnarine Hardeen and the Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar.

That’s what embattled Independent Liberal Party (ILP) leader Jack Warner received yesterday following his latest tapes, alleged to be former minister Dr Glenn Ramadharsingh’s former driver Hardeen doing a wide-ranging “expose” on alleged People’s Partnership intrigue and corruption, including involving the Prime Minister.

During a news conference at the Normandie, St Ann’s, Warner played the tapes, focusing on the Kristyan Gokool matter, again claiming he had to warn T&T about the Prime Minister, since she was “unfit for office.”

“The Prime Minister says Kristyan Gokool is her neighbour I’m saying they are more than neighbourly,” Warner claimed.

However, when contacted on Warner’s tapes later, an angry sounding Hardeen said: “That is not my voice on any tape! It is a total fabrication.

“There will be a response from me on this very soon, That’s all I have to say for now.”

Hardeen added on what action he would take against Warner.

Persad-Bissessar, in an immediate response to Warner’s various claims, also dismissed the allegation, saying last night they are “more delusional claims which my lawyers will deal with.

“He (Warner) has to answer to the US Attorney General and the FBI for his racketeering, money laundering and fraudulent wire transfers, so he seeks to come out of his box with these delusional claims.”

Asked yesterday by reporters if he had any information to verify it was Hardeen on the tapes, Warner said if the need arose for other evidence “they shall be produced.”

Warner said he had given the same tapes to the Integrity Commission since 2013 and the tapes allegedly told of “sleaze, graft, corruption, sexual misconduct and misbehaviour in public office.”

Asked if he had made a complaint to the commission about the PM and Ramadharsingh—on which his claims focussed—Warner said he gave the Integerity Commission the tapes and said “...make your own judgement... I don’t have to make a complaint.” He said he didn’t go to the police as the police may have been compromised.

Warner said after two years nothing had happened and when he checked the commission a year ago, the body said they had to match Hardeen’s voice with the tape through overseas sources.

He complained at length that while the commission had failed to deal with the matter, it wanted to ask him questions and had sought a tribunal to investigate him.

On the alleged “Hardeen tape,” Warner claimed Hardeen detailed allegations in a taped session at Warner’s office in Arouca on August 8, 2013, where the police officer came “of his own volition.”

Warner resigned from Government in April 2013 under fire for alleged corruption after a Concacaf probe.

Playing 17 minutes of an alleged 90-minute tape yesterday, Warner was heard instructing the person to state his name and address.

The person gives Hardeen’s name. Warner is then heard asking the person to tell him about the minister’s “houses, the corruption, apartments, the deals they make, with Danny’s son going through security, tell me everything, tell me everything...”

The person on the tape starts off with allegations about Ramadharsingh, in which Warner’s voice can be heard also interjecting and summarising information.

The voice claimed on one night he was told to go to a nearby hotel to collect someone, as “Dip Centre security wouldn’t let them enter with their private vehicle.”

The person claimed it was a “fair-skinned Indian fella.” They claimed the DC security “saw someone in the backseat and knew I left without anyone.” The voice claimed the security sought the person’s name and it was given.

The person claimed the passenger “said he was the assistant to the PM’s husband, Greg, and he came to pick up some clothes.”

The person on the tape claimed authorisation to enter was given and around 2.30 am someone allegedly came out and said “it was time for us to go home, Kristyan can fix up now...”

Warner alleged to reporters that the Diplomatic Centre sentry diaries were changed to hide this matter.

Warner also said he had heard “they” had contacted Hardeen to swear to an affidavit to say what was on the tapes was false.

He claimed Hardeen subsequently called him three times and he taped all three calls on June 1, June 9 and June 16, 2015.

He played those tapes of the voice, purportedly of Hardeen, in which the caller asked if Warner had (on the platform) asked if “Kristyan” ever spent a night by the PM residence” and saying Warner didn’t want to meet him.

“You know they watching me... they watching me, from the time I enter (the Centre of Excellence) they go lick me up, you know that,” the voice said.

I have more tapes—Jack

After this, he claimed a good friend of the PM sought a meeting with him at the Works Ministry and allegedly accused Warner of bias towards Jusamco and Coosals in getting contracts.

Warner alleged that in 2011 the PM shut down the Ministry of Works’ PURE unit for an audit because of complaints from that friend. He claimed contracts had to be approved by her, “which made things testy” between them and in June 2012 he was transferred to National Security.

Warner claimed there were more tapes and while he would not play them each week, he would decide when prudently and then “more Special Branch officers will have to resign.”

The person taped also alleged a former minister had six houses and he was responsible for making payments, that monies allegedly came from a well known government contractor, including $3 million in four months, and that two named ministry managers were aware of the situation.

The person alleged the government contractor “benefitted from URP programmes, had 52 companies and got 70 per cent of URP and the former minister’s brother became adviser to another minister, whose appointment the former minister knew about before the PM announced it.

The person also claimed a minister’s relative managed a government-run social programme in Sangre Grande.

The person alleged a former minister got a “$2 million kickback” from the Preysal Interchange but this was put in UNC’s accounts as the minister “stole” money from UNC’s 2010 campaign.

The taped voice claimed UNC general secretary Dave Tancoo was told of the situation and he told the PM.

He offered me $.25m to lie.
By Renuka Singh (Guardian).


Hardeen counters Jack’s claim:

Special Reserve Police Officer Jitnarine Hardeen is denying outright that it is his voice heard on a recording played for the media by Independent Liberal Party (ILP) leader Jack Warner yesterday. Hardeen issued a legal letter to Warner yesterday threatening action.

“There is no truth in any of these allegations nor the contents of any of your statements, nor the contents of the tape or tapes,” Hardeen said through his lawyer.

Hardeen, who was the retained driver for former minister of social development Dr Glenn Ramadharsingh, yesterday countered Warner’s damning recording of telephone conversations, alleging that Warner in fact offered him some $250,000 to agree that the voice on tape was his.

In a three-page legal letter, Hardeen’s attorney, Dennis Rampersad, picked apart Warner’s tape, denying every bit of the alleged conversation between Hardeen and Warner.

Hardeen, through his lawyer, confirmed he has been in contact with Warner but said it was Warner who “tried to influence him to unlawfully and illegally accept that he is the voice on these tapes and the provider of the information thereon.”

“In fact, you would recall that you offered my client the sum of two hundred and fifty thousand dollars to be part of your nefarious and sinister conspiracy to defame innocent persons. My client has consistently refused to be part of any untrue plot to defame innocent persons,” the letter stated.

The letter added that at Warner’s request, Hardeen was interviewed by Frederick John.

“And you are aware that he confirmed officially that he was not the voice on the tape and that the contents of any tape has nothing to do with my client,” the letter stated.

On one of the recordings played by Warner, the voice claims to have collected as much as $3 million as kickbacks for contracts awarded through Ramadharsingh’s former ministry.

“My client denies that he ever picked up any money from anyone for any illicit purposes. He has never received $3,000,000 from anyone or at all,” Hardeen said through his lawyer.

Hardeen also denied any knowledge of a relationship between Kristyan Gokool and Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar, as alleged on the recordings played by Warner.

“My client is of the view that your statements are maliciously untrue and calculated to bring him into disrepute, odium and contempt among right thinking members of society,” the lawyer said.

“Your statements are calculated to defame my client and wrongfully accuse him of being involved in criminal matters.

“My client confirms that he has no knowledge of what is on the tapes in your possession or that the telephone number that you have mentioned publicly is his or belongs to him,” he added.

Ramadharsingh is also threatening legal action against TV6 for airing snippets of the same tapes played by Warner.

In a statement yesterday, he said, “I listened with amazement at the defamatory statement made on TV6’s television report entitled “The Hardeen Expose” aired on Monday 22nd June, 2015. I have expressed my horror that such an untrue statement was made.

“While I understand the need for free press, it must be a free and responsible press. Also, I have taken note that no one exercised the simple courtesy of a call for a comment on this matter.

“It is remarkable and I hope that they can prove that I was involved in bribing someone or got someone to change a statement or make a statement that was false. I have always supported the truth but it appears that the truth in this matter will emerge in the courts, as clearly the need for financial gain trumps professionalism and responsible journalism.”

Both Ramadharsingh and Hardeen are represented by the same attorney and it was Ramadharsingh’s secretary who issued Hardeen’s legal letter to the media last night.

When the T&T Guardian contacted Hardeen to find out the connection between the two, Hardeen quickly disconnected the call and refused to respond to subsequent attempts to reach him.

In a text exchange with Warner yesterday, the former national security minister called on Hardeen to sue him if any of the information he released was untrue.

“Well let them sue me,” Warner said.

Warner has been given 24 hours to respond to the legal letter.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 25, 2015, 01:56:48 AM
He vowed to bring down PP.
By Yvonne Webb (Guardian).


PM offers reason for Jack’s attack...

Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar says her party’s former chairman, now “arch nemesis,” Independent Liberal Party (ILP) leader Jack Warner, cried like a baby when she demanded his letter of resignation in 2013 and instructed him to clear his name. But she asserted she was a strong woman and all of his current lies and fabrications against her would not make her cry.

“I tell you, this woman no cry. This woman will not cry, will never cry,” she said as she boasted of her strength as a woman during a United National Congress cottage meeting in the Oropouche East constituency on Tuesday night. Revealing details previously unknown to the public, Persad-Bissessar said when she demanded Warner’s resignation after the Sir David Simmonds’ Concacaf report, he (Warner) asked for seven more days but she refused.

“He swore he will do everything he could to take down my Government but we have stood strong. We have stood tall and we will continue to stand,” she said. The PM’s statement came hours after Warner released another tape at a press conference in Port-of-Spain, which he claimed allegedly told of “sleaze, graft, corruption, sexual misconduct and misbehaviour in public office” arising out of an alleged incident at the Diplomatic Centre in 2013.

Shrugging off Warner’s allegations once again, the PM said her strength and gender, plus the fact that she fired him, had him angry and delusional. “I formed a government in 2010 and I did my best to ensure that we delivered and when ministers failed they were sacked. I do not apologise for that.

“I am a woman and I am strong. He cannot handle that. The first female prime minister I am of this very great nation and so he resents my gender, he does not respect the office I hold and that is not an insult just to me, it is an insult to the people of Trinidad and Tobago and every woman of Trinidad and Tobago,” she added.

She said he was delusional “because he knows for a fact that he cannot overthrow me and I have refused every of his attempts to control and to influence me.” Saying she was fed up with the “gruesome twosome”—Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley and Warner—Persad-Bissessar said she was ready to fight them both “any time, anywhere, any day and beat them.”

She said she would stand and fight like a mother whose child was in danger for her country. She said she would not play into their hands and be distracted by their lies and allegations.

Kamla Not afraid of attacks

Persad-Bissessar said her focus ahead of the September 7 general election would be on issues, rolling out her Government’s plans, policies and programmes to continue to build a new Trinidad and Tobago. She said the People’s National Movement (PNM) had no plans or programmes, that is why they were fabricating lies and allegations against her Government which had outperformed every single government in the history of T&T.

Taking a cue from Warner, Persad-Bissessar took off the gloves and took aim at her former Cabinet colleague and “his sidekick Mr Rowley”, saying their stories were becoming more bizarre, wild and delusional each week but she will not play out their script. “My lawyers will deal with their lies and fabrications. I will not play into their script because this is now becoming like ‘stay tuned.’

“You remember the series on TV, Peyton Place? They say ‘Stay tuned next week... coming soon to a theatre near you’ is the latest in the episode in the series of a man on the list of the most wanted men in the world,” she added.

She told the audience, which included former finance minister Gerald Yetming and  former Senate president Timothy Hamel-Smith, that Warner, “is like a Jack in a box who is trying to jump out of the box and that box is that he must answer for racketeering, he must answer for wire fraud transfer, he must answer for money laundering and those charges are not by us here, those charges come from every country around the world.”

She had the audience laughing when she said she had one good thing to say about Warner and that was he did not discriminate. “He does not discriminate. He took money from every continent in the world, including right here in the Caribbean... from Haiti,” she said. Saying her Government will win the September 7 election and her seat will be the first to be declared for the UNC, she also took aim at Rowley, saying he was bitter because she fought him with the Emailgate matter and cleared her name.

She called on Rowley to clear the air on the statement attributed to the Laventille PNM candidate Fitzgerald Hinds about “people like alligators in a lagoon.” “You never condemned the Calcutta ship statement in Tobago and now today your members are speaking about alligators in a lagoon. “Well, let me tell you, I planted rice, like many of you, in a lagoon. It doesn’t matter where you come from, what matters is where you are going and where you are,” she added.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: AB.Trini on June 25, 2015, 07:12:41 AM
Ummmm - woe is me shame and scandal in the family- why dont't you go nah,
Once more - we read of clever attempts to lure the opposition into an us and them attack - these innuendoes of ethnic overtones designed to incite lines of demarcation has been evident throughout this government- never have I witnessedthe magnitude of a leader bent on governing by focusing on the other rather than onthe inner actions and workings of the cabinet? Go down memory lane
 First appointment by PM - ah Gyul withfalse pers to wuck insecurity
A minister squandering Money Ina LifeSports program
AnActing COP who making all the big issues priorities but EH solve none- juice cans DS murder- guns missing from Police Center- the list goes on
Yuh AG - PRISONGATE
Let we EH talk about all this nah  - just go nah-
Attacks attacks -dog does bark the loudest when dey in dey own yard!  This past five years have created more political disillusionment than I have ever seen before and until some  of the bigger issue se get solved there will be no reason to think that one party has the upper hand.
If this government want to save face - someone comeoutand reveal why all the LifeSport personel has been silenced - what happen to the lady who hade diencephalic? Who was placed Ina safe house?  What ever happened to the "big fish"?  What happened to all the talk of FBI investigation intone juice an drug find?
Robertsgonequietly - AG gone quietly - but the ills that me do lives after them the good is often buried. I say to get any measure of credit this leader could truly stand up from attacks  make anamea du earthtne truth behind all the unresolved pieties of mail during this government's tenure.
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 26, 2015, 02:07:53 AM
Jack on Kamla’s statement: No tears from me
T&T Guardian Reports.


Independent Liberal Party (ILP) political leader Jack Warner says statements made by Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar that he cried when he was asked to leave the government in 2013 are false.

Addressing supporters at an ILP cottage meeting in Indian Walk, Moruga, on Wednesday night, Warner said he never cried. While speaking to United National Congress (UNC) supporters in Debe on Tuesday, Persad-Bissessar said Warner cried when asked to leave office in 2013.

“She said I cried. The only time I remember any tears between Kamla and me was when she was crying in Cabinet over Reshmi. She was saying she had been set up,” Warner said.

He was referring to the appointment of Reshmi Ramnarine, a junior technician, to lead the Strategic Services Agency, a covert unit set up in 2011 to monitor criminal activities. Ramnarine was later fired because she was unqualified for the job.

“Cabinet had to be adjourned. If you see ‘snatty’ nose. She was crying. That was the only tears between Kamla and me,” he said. Warner said he volunteered to leave the government and was not asked to do so as Persad-Bissessar previously said.

“I cried? When I came out of Kamla office, I met (Roodal) Moonilal, Suruj (Rambachan) and Chandresh Sharma by the door. I said hi and bye and I left. I said to her I will leave and therefore to say I cried is not true,” he said.

Responding to Persad-Bissessar’s statement’s that he was attacking her because she is a woman, Warner said: “She says she is being attacked because she is a woman, well I never heard about so much foolishness but I know as an old hunter...male manicou, female manicou, same shot...when you in the bush you don’t say that manicou will escape because it’s a female.”

Warner said Persad-Bissessar opened her life up to criticisms when she became Prime Minister. “If anybody is delusional is Kamla not me. My friends know what I drink, when I drink and where and that is all I will say.”

What PM Said

Speaking to United National Congress’ (UNC) supporters in Debe on Tuesday night, Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar said Warner cried when he was fired from her government in 2013.  “Mr Warner came to the Diplomatic Centre, the same centre he is now maligning with his lies, with a letter of resignation. He gave me the letter which I still have, he was resigning from the government and he cried, he cried that night.

“He knew the David Simmons report was coming out the very day when I was out the country, so he took front with it, came and cried and said ‘Hey if you want this I’ll give it to you, keep it whatever.’”

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on June 26, 2015, 09:38:02 AM
Therese Baptiste Cornellus confirms on fb that Kams cry after Reshmi.
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: MEP on June 26, 2015, 01:41:25 PM
was she sober when she was crying? allyuh know how drunk people does act arready
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 27, 2015, 04:22:42 AM
Former ILP deputy joins UNC, slams Warner
By Anna Ramdass (Express).


Corruption-accused Jack Warner was last night described as the “greatest political con job” by former deputy leader of the Independent Liberal Party (ILP) Anna Deonarine, who said she was ashamed to have been close to him.

Deonarine made a surprise debut on the United National Congress (UNC) platform last night at the St Helena Hindu School.

Deonarine was one of the frontline speakers when the ILP was born in 2013 and she campaigned aggressively with Warner for the Chaguanas West by-election where he emerged victorious.

Deonarine resigned as deputy leader last year.

She was subject to attacks from the UNC during her days of loyalty to Warner. Former AG Anand Ramlogan had claimed that Deonarine's Range Rover was a stolen vehicle.

Deonarine's luxury Range Rover Sport HSE, valued at about $500,000, which was bought from an agent in England, was seized by local police after it was reported as a stolen vehicle by British police.

Ramlogan had also said that Deonarine was the major beneficiary of the sale of 20 acres of land, bought by her parents from Dole Chadee's brother, Thackoor Boodram, in 1997, for $225,000 and then sold by them to CLICO for $13 million. The $13 million was credited to a CLICO policy in Anna Deonarine's name on March 29, 2005.

Warner had defended Deonarine who was then forced to flee her home with her children for fear of being harassed.

Clearly putting all animosity aside, Deonarine graced the UNC platform in defence of Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar who has been the subject of attacks by Warner.

“Tonight I stand before you seeking to right a wrong,” said Deonarine.

“I admit that I assisted the man, one who can be described as the greatest political con job against the UNC and the Partnership,” said Deonarine.

She said when Warner asked her to assist him in the Chaguanas West by-election, she agreed to do so because she believed him when he said that the Sir David Simmons report against him was a “concoction of lies”.

‘I was a gullible child'

The report from the FIFA Ethics committee found Warner was involved in financial impropriety during his tenure at FIFA.

Deonarine said as a “gullible child” she believed everything that Warner fed to her.

“I felt this was a man that was wronged and that I had to stand up with him, I trusted him when he told me that he has no intention whatsoever from turning away from the Partnership,” she said.

She said she believed Warner when he said that the PNM was the “biggest blight” to ever visit this country.

Deonarine said she neglected her duties as a wife and mother and proceeded to travel to every length and breadth of Chaguanas West with Warner.

She said today she feels shame.

“The unmitigated shame and embarrassment that I now feel, the shame that I feel as a former ILP member and as a woman, as a citizen of Trinidad and Tobago, that has led me to return to the political platform,” she said.

“How dare you lie unashamedly to me and to the people of Trinidad and Tobago!” Deonarine said as she directed to Warner.

She said when she sees Warner now forming an “unholy alliance” with the PNM she asks herself, “What manner of man is this?”

She said Warner has sought to deflect from the overwhelming claims of racketeering and money laundering against him.

Deonarine slammed Warner for aiming his attacks against the Prime Minister.

“Why is he now attacking the Prime Minister? Was she there in FIFA when the alleged money laundering was going on?” she asked.

She questioned whether the Prime Minister should have gone to Warner and first seek his approval and permission for the US authorities to lay charges against him. She said the Jack Warner she sees today is not the man she knew.

Deonarine said further that she has information on the “gruesome twosome's” secret handshakes and clandestine meetings Warner has been having.

Using Warner's own line she said, “But not tonight.”

Deonarine said she does not care about Warner's declaration of the gloves being off, she said she has put on her political battle gear and will stand up for the Prime Minister.

The Prime Minister focused her address on detailing some of her Government's plans for the future and boasting of the track record of delivery.

However, she did spend a few minutes knocking Warner who had called on the Prime Minister to say who was in the room next to her during her official visit to China.

PM: Warner can't go to France

Persad-Bissessar said her husband Dr Gregory Bissessar accompanied her on the China visit.

She said growing up there was the expression “Go to France” and she wish she could say the same to Warner but “the poor man, he can't go to any country, he can't go anywhere in the world”.

She also urged people to not be afraid of any “obeah talk”.

“Do not let any obeah talk frighten you. Do not be afraid of any obeah talk, I am not afraid,” she said.

She said further that Community Development Minister Winston Peters had told her she's a “Baptu”- a Baptist and a Hindu and therefore had nothing to fear.

Persad-Bissessar reiterated that she was a strong woman and makes no apologies for her leadership and taking the tough decisions.

“I will fight like a lioness, I will fight for you, all the people and all the children of Trinidad and Tobago” she said as she pledged to build a new Trinidad and Tobago in the way forward.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 28, 2015, 04:29:28 AM
Deonarine upgrading security for her family
By Renuka Singh (Guardian).


Former deputy leader of the Independent Liberal Party (ILP) Anna Deonarine plans to increase private security around her and her family after boldly taking on her former boss Jack Warner on Friday night from the United National Congress (UNC) platform.

After publicly attacking Warner from the relative safety of the UNC platform in St Helena, Deonarine confirmed to the Sunday Guardian yesterday that she was now contemplating a strong security contingent for her family as she expected that the general election campaign would become ever more heated.

​FLASHBACK

During Deonarine’s strident support for Warner on the Chaguanas West campaign trail in October 2013, the Sunday Guardian obtained information that Deonarine was interviewed by police investigators regarding an alleged link to a luxury vehicle stolen in the United Kingdom, which was then sold through a broker and shipped to Trinidad. The vehicle was registered locally to a company which listed Deonarine among its directors. The white Range Rover was seized by police.

Warner addressed that issue on an ILP platform, offering Deonarine the services of his retained senior counsel to sue the newspaper as Deonarine had then denied any involvement in the matter. The ILP did issue a pre-action protocol letter against the Sunday Guardian at that time but went no further with the issue, even though more stories on the Range Rover flooded the media.

Subsequently, Ramlogan revealed that Deonarine was a key beneficiary of the sale of land bought by her parents from Dole Chadee’s brother for $225,000, 20 acres of which were later sold to Clico for $13 million. Deonarine’s mother, Shama, worked at Clico at the time.

By September 2014, photos surfaced of Deonarine attending an Independence Day Classical Singing Competition hosted at the Fun Splash Water Park, Debe, by UNC top brass Dr Roodal Moonilal. Deonarine said then that she was not affiliated with any political party.

‘That’s the same party that called her a car thief’

Warner, in a brief telephone interview yesterday, said he had been betrayed by a list of former members of his party, which now included Deonarine.

“But I am sorry for Anna because any woman who is part of that party, especially an educated woman, needs some kind of moral guidance,” he said.

“While I understand that she has been showered with gifts, it is difficult to understand how easily people could still be bought.

“My sorrow for Anna is really for her children who now have the difficult task of coming to terms that their mother is someone that they used to look up to,” Warner said.

When asked if he was concerned that Deonarine had threatened to reveal inside information on him, Warner laughed.

“If she had information on me, I beg of her to make it public. In fact, I will pay for ad space in the daily newspapers, I will give her free exposure in the Sunshine Newspaper, on the Sunshine hour and on Warner TV,” he said, referring to his newspaper, an hour-long radio programme, and his online television station, respectively.

“Seems she has forgotten that that is the same party that called her a car thief and was critical of her mother in her Clico land deal. It boggles my mind that her memory is so short,” Warner said.

Deonarine said she had inside information on Warner as a result of working closely with him during the 2013 Chaguanas West by-election. She said while she did not want to contribute to the debasement engendered by Warner-era politics, she was willing to reveal what she had on him when she mounted subsequent UNC platforms.

The Sunday Guardian has since learned that among the damning revelations to come is information on deals Warner allegedly carried out. She also plans to reveal details of a Warner/People’s National Movement (PNM) collusion.

Ironically, it was to Warner that Deonarine had turned when under attack by former attorney general Anand Ramlogan. Warner helped move Deonarine and her family to a secure, secret location because of the vitriolic attack by Ramlogan over a $13 million land deal involving her mother, Shama Deonarine, who acquired land owned by hanged drug lord Dole Chadee. Defending Deonarine back in October 2013, Warner said because of revelations made by Ramlogan, Deonarine was forced to flee her home with her children for fear of harassment.

Warner had then criticised Ramlogan of disrespecting women, the same charge that Deonarine is now levelling against him. “When I saw what was happening, I knew that something had to be done,” Deonarine said. “It is going to be tough because politics is not an easy choice to make,” she said.

Deonarine said her family was “reluctant” when she first broached the topic of returning to the political fold.

“I took a hiatus for a year and when I saw what was happening in politics, I realised I had to return,” she said.

She said despite her plan to reveal dirt on Warner, she was “walking a tight line” between revealing the truth and falling into gutter politics. “But at the end of the day, I have to be sure that I do not stoop to his level and we help take politics out of the gutter where he brought it. We need to bring it back up to our level,” Deonarine said.

But while Deonarine emphasises she is seeking to bring honour back to politics, there are already rumours that the former ILP activist has been well compensated for her appearance and newfound allegiance to the UNC. The Sunday Guardian was told of Cepep contracts, the promise/award of an NP service station and several legal briefs.

“To this day, I have not received one single thing. I would have loved to get that. Maybe that would make what I am about to face a little easier,” she said.

Deonarine said she knew she had opened the door to personal attacks and the inevitable mud-slinging now that she had spoken out against Warner. She said she also knew he was a formidable opponent.

“But I am prepared for what will be coming. I had to be even before I decided to step back on that platform,” she said.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 29, 2015, 04:30:45 AM
Extradition papers delivered to Ministry of Foreign Affairs
By Denyse Renne (Express).


US SENDS FOR JACK

Official documentation requesting the extradition of Independent Liberal Party (ILP) leader and former FIFA vice-president Jack Warner has been delivered to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

Sources told the Express that around midday yesterday the package was dropped off via courier and will be sent to Central Authority head Netram Kowlessar today.

The package, sources say, also gives detailed listings of the alleged offences against Warner, who is wanted on wire fraud, racketeering and money laundering charges.

Contacted yesterday evening, Attorney General Garvin Nicholas said he is unaware that the US Department of Justice had sent the necessary paperwork for the commencement of extradition proceedings.

“I am unaware of that,” Nicholas said.

Kowlessar said: “I don't know. I wasn't in office today (yesterday). I will check when I go in tomorrow (today).”

Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Dookeran when contacted also said he was unaware if any package had arrived.

Sources told the Express, that extradition proceedings ought to come through diplomatic channels and this would be through Foreign Affairs and then sent to the Central Authority.

It has been a month since a provisional warrant was issued for the arrest of Warner.

Warner is currently on $2.5 million bail after surrendering himself to Fraud Squad officers on May 27 after learning the warrant had been issued for his arrest.

He is being represented by a battery of attorneys, including Fyard Hosein SC, Nyree Alphonso, Rishi Dass and Anil Maharaj, while the State is being represented by Pamela Elder SC, attorneys Jagdeo Singh and Gerald Ramdeen.

Queens Counsel Alan Newman and James Lewis have also been retained by the State and will be appearing alongside the local team on July 9, when the matter next comes up for hearing.

Warner will next appear before Chief Magistrate Marcia Ayers-Caesar in the Port of Spain Court on July 9.

He is accused of accepting a $10 million bribe in exchange for helping South Africa secure the right to host the 2010 World Cup. Officials in South Africa have denied that the money was a bribe.

Warner has denied wrongdoing and claimed that the charges are part of a US “witchhunt” meant to punish him for his support of Qatar's 2022 World Cup.

Sources told the Express that had the documentation not arrived by July 9, the matter would have been adjourned to a date on or before July 27, since the State was given 60 days to furnish documentation from the U.S. regarding Warner's extradition.

The 60 days took effect following the provisional warrant being served on Warner.

On June 3, Warner and other FIFA officials were placed on “red notice” by Interpol.

Former executive committee member Nicolas Leoz and corporate executives — Alejandro Burzaco, Hugo and Mariano Jinkis and Jose Margulies, also known as Jose Lazaro, were placed on the notices following a request by law enforcement officials in the United States.

The red notice was issued to all Interpol member countries and is geared towards seeking the location and arrest of wanted persons with a view to extradition or similar lawful action.

Essentially, this means if Warner decides to leave the jurisdiction of T&T and go to another country, law enforcement will be alerted upon his arrival.

With this red notice in effect, it also means that all flight manifestos, train stations, ports — air and sea — and other modes of transportation will be closely monitored.

According to international reports, Lazaro is under house arrest in Paraguay.

Local Interpol sources say the alert is normal when dealing with an investigation of this magnitude and with such high-profile individuals.

The Interpol “red notice” means those named risk arrest anywhere they travel.

Argentinians Burzaco and Hugo Jinkis are accused of paying more than $100 million in bribes for media and commercial rights to football tournaments; and Margulies, a Brazilian broadcast executive.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on June 29, 2015, 06:05:38 AM
Irresponsible conduct by the source ...
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Michael-j on June 29, 2015, 07:31:44 AM
Irresponsible conduct by the source ...

And what of the journalist/Express? ...publishing unsubstantiated information...
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on June 29, 2015, 08:10:16 AM
Irresponsible conduct by the source ...

And what of the journalist/Express? ...publishing unsubstantiated information...

Unsubstantiated by whom?
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Michael-j on June 29, 2015, 08:19:58 AM
Irresponsible conduct by the source ...

And what of the journalist/Express? ...publishing unsubstantiated information...

Unsubstantiated by whom?

Any of the authorities who should be in a position to do so.
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on June 29, 2015, 08:44:06 AM
Irresponsible conduct by the source ...

And what of the journalist/Express? ...publishing unsubstantiated information...

Unsubstantiated by whom?

Any of the authorities who should be in a position to do so.

Ah get yuh. However, in the publication's view, the sources likely are of sufficient competence to stand independently as "credible". As such, the Express likely met its threshold of responsibility.

The initial leaking of the information rests in mischief and is provocative. Keep yuh mouth shut and let the process take its course.
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Michael-j on June 29, 2015, 12:18:44 PM
Irresponsible conduct by the source ...

And what of the journalist/Express? ...publishing unsubstantiated information...

Unsubstantiated by whom?

Any of the authorities who should be in a position to do so.

Ah get yuh. However, in the publication's view, the sources likely are of sufficient competence to stand independently as "credible". As such, the Express likely met its threshold of responsibility.

The initial leaking of the information rests in mischief and is provocative. Keep yuh mouth shut and let the process take its course.

Fair enough, but  that right there for me is the problem with the Express and other local publications . To what standard of credibility are their sources being held? 


Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Michael-j on June 29, 2015, 12:24:59 PM
US Embassy: No final extradition request for Jack, yet.

 Published on Jun 29, 2015, 12:11 pm AST
 Updated on Jun 29, 2015, 1:40 pm AST
 By Carolyn Kissoon
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20150629/news/us-embassy-no-final-extradition-request-for-jack-yet (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20150629/news/us-embassy-no-final-extradition-request-for-jack-yet)


The final request for the extradition of Independent Liberal Party (ILP) political leader, Jack Warner, has not yet been issued.

This is according to the United States Embassy, Port-of-Spain.

The Embassy issued a media release on Monday stating that the U.S. Department of Justice has not yet sent any final requests on the Warner extradition request to the Trinidad and Tobago authorities. The release stated that it was still within the 60 day window specified by the treaty for the final request to be delivered.

The US Embassy was responding to reports that the official documentation had been delivered to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

The Express was informed that around midday on Sunday the package was dropped off via courier and will be sent to Central Authority head Netram Kowlessar.

Speaking at a meeting at Hatters panyard in San Fernando on Sunday evening, Warner said there was no cause to worry. He warned supporters that in the coming weeks they will hear many things abour him and the US charges.

"You will hear Jack Warner is guilty and you will hear them say he should leave and go to the US and be tried. You will hear them say he can't go to France. You know how many times I went to France with my own money. I have gone to more countries in the world than any of the combined, so I dont have to go to France. What  want to do is to come to places like Hatters panyard and see the peoples propblems," he said.
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on June 29, 2015, 12:49:50 PM
...
Fair enough, but  that right there for me is the problem with the Express and other local publications . To what standard of credibility are their sources being held? 


Valid question. We observe problems with this on a continual basis.
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on June 29, 2015, 12:54:42 PM
There's a recent tweet from the embassy, but no media release on the embassy site.
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Deeks on June 29, 2015, 08:04:47 PM
...
Fair enough, but  that right there for me is the problem with the Express and other local publications . To what standard of credibility are their sources being held? 


Valid question. We observe problems with this on a continual basis.

But the TT news media is not that different from other news media.
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on July 01, 2015, 02:16:10 AM
I'm not going anywhere.
By Anna Ramdass (Express).


Bring it on!

Corruption accused Former embattled FIFA Vice President Jack Warner declared last night that he is not going anywhere and if the United States sends for him, he's ready to battle them.

The former FIFA Vice President also questioned why taxpayers money was being used to pay legal fees for a US case against him.

He said the Government should also pay his legal fees as the only person who's doing work pro bono for him is Rekha Ramjit.

Warner, the leader of the Independent Liberal Party (ILP) , was speaking tonight at a cottage meeting in Claxton Bay.

"I ain't running, I ain't hiding , all I say to them is bring it on and when they bring it on it will be a long hot summer," said Warner.

"Jack Warner eh going anywhere, he ain't going anywhere...I'll be here not for five, 10 or 15 years, I will be here for a very long time" said Warner.

"He could take that and carry it to the bank!" added Warner , referring to Attorney General Garvin Nicholas.

Warner noted a US news report which stated that he was charged with wire fraud as $295,000 of FIFA money was wired to him in December 2010.

Warner said if this is what he got after 30 years in FIFA, he's still owed money.

Turning to his extradition matter, Warner said what worries him was that the US has a provisional warrant for him but taxpayers money was being used to put up a case for the US for which they say they have evidence.

He pointed out that an English QC and five local lawyers were retained at taxpayers' expense.

"That for me is patently unfair," said Warner.

He assured that he fears nothing because he believes he has the best legal team and God.

"I sleep very soundly at night...because I have nothing to fear. The Lord is my Shepherd," said Warner.

He said further said that if money mattered to him he would not take a salary of $1 a month, $60 total for five years as the Chaguanas West MP.

He added that he never took a Government loan to purchase a vehicle.

Warner boasted that there was no Cabinet Minister who has been more generous than him.

He said Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar was unfit for office as well as her team.

Holding up a copy of the Sunshine newspaper headlined "Devant Playboy" Warner said the front page was posted on Facebook and generated 103,000 hits.

The front page bears the photograph of Food Production Minister Devant Maharaj in an affectionate position with a woman.

The ILP deputy leader Rekha Ramjit also spoke about Warner's legal issues.

However before getting into her speech she declared , "I am Rekha Ramjit and I am not for sale".

Ramjit, an attorney, said that Warner's extradition matter is a long process that will take years.

She said there was never any provisional warrant of arrest for businessmen Ish Galbaransingh and Steve Ferguson.

She added that the US extradition request for them came in 2005 and it wasn't until 2012 that the courts ruled that they will not be extradited.

"In this particular issue it will be a long time before this process is complete," said Ramjit.

She noted that on May 26 the provisional warrant of arrest was issued for Warner.

She said this warrant was just a statement of bare charges with no evidence attached.

Ramjit said under the extradition treaty the provisional warrant of arrest is issued if urgent.

"What was the urgency that caused him to execute a provisional warrant without any evidence on a prominent citizen," said Ramjit.

She noted that 35 days have passed and yet to yesterday's date they have not provided that evidence.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Deeks on July 02, 2015, 08:03:15 AM
I read on CNN that the U.S. is serving extradition papers to the accused FIFA officials.
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on July 02, 2015, 09:03:42 AM
There's a recent tweet from the embassy, but no media release on the embassy site.

The release now appears on the embassy site, but it isn't an expansive statement. It is a one-sentence statement that mirrors the tweet word for word.

Is it that they were constrained by 140 characters or they prefer to be reticent?

It eh hard. Don't expect the embassy to show the full hand.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on July 03, 2015, 02:00:17 AM
Jack claims he's peacemaker in Enterprise
By Kim Boodram (Express).


Corruption accused Jack Warner last night claimed to have brought peace to warring gangs in Enterprise, Chaguanas.

Warner, who originates from neighbouring Longdenville, after reminiscing about his childhood playing with friends from Enterprise said he has spent the past few weeks mediating with opposing factions in the community.

As he blasted Chaguanas East MP Stephen Cadiz for failing to save the community, said he was pleased to announce that the gang leaders had agreed to a ceasefire.

Enterprise has shot into the news over an increase in what appears to be gang warfare, which some say has risen among gangs including Rasta City and the Muslims.

Warner said he was in conference with a gang leader up to half hour before arriving at the Independent Liberal Party's public meeting at the corner of the Southern Main Road and Neblett Street, Enterprise.
Warner said he wanted to thank the gang leaders who spoke with him and who have agreed to "start afresh" with each other.

Saying he did not know how long the truce would last, Warner lambasted Cadiz for apparently not even knowing where his own constituency was located.

He also apologised for being part of the screening committee that chose Cadiz, whom he claimed was at one time rejected by Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar.

Calling Enterprise a depressed community, Warner said the feeling of paucity among residents was worsened by the proximity of neighboring wealthy communities.

Warner also said everyone knew of the existence of corrupt police elements and he claimed that the high tech guns seen in Enterprise were entering the country through Cedros and Chatham.

Warner also made a startling claim that Venezuelan babies were being smuggled through those same ports. As many as six babies per week were entering Trinidad and this was as a result of hard times in their country.

Warner did not say where the children were going.

He also promised to bring land settlement to Enterprise and regularise those without ownership.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on July 05, 2015, 06:17:50 AM
Warner pays $.2m to settle Faaiq lawsuit
Shaliza Hassanali (Guardian)


Councillor Faaiq Mohammed yesterday received a $275,000 cheque from embattled Independent Liberal Party leader (ILP) Jack Warner.

The payment was to satisfy damages awarded by the High Court in Mohammed’s favour, in a lawsuit he won on July 24, 2014.

The cheque, dated June 30, 2015, was presented to Mohammed by a representative of Warner.

Mohammed was accused by Warner of being corrupt and accepting a bribe of $2.5 million from the UNC to cast a vote for one of its candidates instead of the ILP in the 2013 by-election.

Yesterday, Mohammed in a written statement explained that since the judgment was delivered, he had been trying to get Warner to comply with the court order and pay him.

Last month, Mohammed initiated legal action to recover some $262,000 which the High Court ordered that Warner pay him for making defamatory statements.

Warner’s attorneys, however, contended that the judgment had been appealed.

“Warner recently attacked me at a political meeting when I announced that I had filed an application in court to have him declared bankrupt.”

Mohammed said Warner called him an idiot and clown from Chaguanas West.

“Whilst I am grateful for the payment, I am disappointed that such a wealthy man would have taken over a year to pay such a relatively small debt which was caused by his own baseless, malicious and outrageous attacks on my character and integrity. No amount of money can ever compensate me for the damage done to my character and reputation. I wanted to expose the fraudulent, bold-faced and shameless character assassination that has become a trademark of Warner’s gutter politics.”

Mohammed said the rushed payment by Warner was designed to avoid levy proceedings, which he had filed in the High Court last week.

“That levy would have been executed on the assets of Warner in the coming week as my attorneys were in the process of completing the necessary means and assets search.”

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on July 05, 2015, 06:18:59 AM
Jack not leaving T&T soon
Shaliza Hassanali (Guardian)


Embattled Independent Liberal Party (ILP) leader and former Fifa vice-president Jack Warner is not leaving T&T anytime soon.

According to former attorney general Ramesh Lawrence Maharaj, SC, Warner could spend between seven and eight years fighting his extradition in court.

He said one thing Warner had going for him was his lawyer Edward Fitzgerald, QC, a leading extradition practitioner for the past 20 years, who has a track record of winning extradition cases worldwide.

Fitzgerald represented Gary McKinnon, a Scottish systems administrator and hacker, who was accused in 2002 of perpetrating the biggest military computer hack of all time. For many years, Fitzgerald represented McKinnon in a judicial review proceedings and drafted the representations to the British Home Secretary which resulted in her withdrawing the order for his client’s extradition.

From mid-July, Maharaj said, he would host a series of public meetings to explain how Warner’s extradition could be tied up in the court system for years and the Government was only fooling citizens with its claim that Warner’s last days in Trinidad were imminent.

Faced with extradition to the US on racketeering, corruption and bribery charges, Warner, 72, at an ILP meeting in Claxton Bay on Tuesday, dared authorities to take him to the US.

Warner, who surrendered himself to Fraud Squad officers on May 27 after learning that a provisional warrant had been issued for his arrest, emphatically stated that he was not leaving T&T “not now, not ever.”

Accused of accepting a $10 million bribe in exchange for helping South Africa secure the right to host the 2010 World Cup, Warner told supporters, “I’ll be here not for five, ten or 15 years. I will be here for a very long time and they could take that and carry it to the bank! Everyone wants to see Jack leave here. They are pushing for Jack to leave, but up to today they can’t lay a single charge. I ain’t running and hiding. All I can say is bring it on and when they bring it on it will be a long, hot summer.”

Warner’s bold assertion came two days after a report in the Express newspaper that official documentation requesting his extradition had been delivered to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

The US Embassy in Port-of-Spain in a release issued last Monday stated that the US Department of Justice had not yet sent any final requests for Warner’s extradition to the T&T authorities.

Extradition proceedings would have to be stayed

On Wednesday, Maharaj said the extradition process did not mean that as soon as a foreign country made a request, the person regarding whom the request was made would immediately be extradited to the requesting country.

Maharaj said first there was a 60-day period for Warner’s extradition papers to be filed in the court.

“When those papers are filed, the court has to listen to submissions as to whether the extradition is within the law. If there is a constitutional issue raised before the magistrate, the magistrate does not have any jurisdiction to deal with constitutional rights, issues or violation of the Constitution.”

Maharaj said Warner, through his attorneys, could then ask the magistrate under Section 14 of the Constitution to refer the matter to the High Court to determine the issue.

“The magistrate will have to refer the matter to the High Court unless the points raised by Warner’s lawyers are frivolous or vexatious.”

When the matter is referred to the High Court, Warner has a right to appeal any decision of the High Court, to the Court of Appeal and Privy Council. “In the meantime, the extradition proceedings would have to be stayed. Warner cannot be extradited,” Maharaj said.

Even if the magistrate refused to refer the matter to the High Court, Maharaj said Warner’s lawyers can apply for judicial review of the magistrate’s decision before the High Court. “The High Court decision in a judicial review, under the Judicial Review Act, can be appealed in the same way as a right [of appeal] to the High Court, Court of Appeal and Privy Council.”

A long drawn-out process

If the matter reaches and finishes in the Privy Council and Warner did not succeed, Maharaj said, “The matter would have to go back to the magistrates court. There, Warner’s lawyers can argue on the evidential aspect of the matter. Based on that evidential aspect any decision of the magistrate can be reviewed on judicial review to the High Court. And from the High Court to the Court of Appeal to the Privy Council.”

In a nutshell, Maharaj said, “This would be a long, drawn-out process, as long as there are legal points to be argued. This legal process can take years, as long as seven to eight years in Trinidad.”

Maharaj said, hence, the reason Warner was not bothered about the extradition.

“No one can’t come just so and take him on a plane to the US. If they do that it would be an abuse of process.” Warner is entitled to due process of law and enjoyment of his constitutional rights in the home country.

Maharaj said it would be a difficult task to extradite Warner since Fitzgerald, along with local attorney Fyard Hosein, SC, would put up a hard fight.

‘Warner doing damage to their image and character’

Meanwhile, Maharaj said Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar and her Government should not undermine the Constitution and due process of law to extradite Warner who has become a weapon against the Government, doing great damage to their image and character.

On Thursday, Warner, who is on $2.5 million bail, will appear before Chief Magistrate Marcia Ayers-Caesar in the Port-of-Spain Court when the matter next comes up for hearing.

Title: Jack Warner not leaving T&T for another 7-8 years...
Post by: Controversial on July 05, 2015, 02:50:24 PM
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-07-05/jack-not-leaving-tt-soon

 (http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-07-05/jack-not-leaving-tt-soon)

The Teflon man knows the laws, interesting that guys like Bas and Ramesh are making comments
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on July 06, 2015, 06:28:24 AM
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-07-05/jack-not-leaving-tt-soon

 (http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-07-05/jack-not-leaving-tt-soon)

The Teflon man knows the laws, interesting that guys like Bas and Ramesh are making comments

Jack not leaving any time soon is not news.....Ish and Steve have most certainly thought us that as long as you have money, extradition is not for you....
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on July 06, 2015, 01:42:01 PM
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-07-05/jack-not-leaving-tt-soon

 (http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-07-05/jack-not-leaving-tt-soon)

The Teflon man knows the laws, interesting that guys like Bas and Ramesh are making comments

Jack not leaving any time soon is not news.....Ish and Steve have most certainly thought us that as long as you have money, extradition is not for you....

CO-SIGNNNN
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on July 15, 2015, 02:07:03 AM
No $8m Section 34 conspiracy.
By Anna Ramdass (Express).


Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar has once again dismissed allegations by corruption-accused Jack Warner—this time, on an $8.3 million Section 34 freedom conspiracy—as lies.

Warner called a news conference at the Hotel Normandie in St Ann's yesterday, where he presen­ted a sworn affidavit claiming Persad-Bissessar accepted $8.3 million in cheques from United National Congress financiers Ish Galbaransingh and Steve Ferguson at the Tunapuna home of businessman Ralph Gopaul in May 2010.

Warner claimed the Prime Minister indicated to him the creation of the Justice Ministry would “help our friends”. He also said the Section 34 debacle was designed to give freedom to these two men.

Galbaransingh and Ferguson are accused of conspiracy, wire fraud, money laundering and bid-rigging in relation to two construction packages for the Piarco Airport construction project. The charges indicated the alleged acts took place in the United States and elsewhere between 1996 and 2001.

Their extradition request was quashed by Justice Ronnie Boodoosingh in 2011, who ordered they be tried in Trinidad.

False and without foundation

Following Warner's news conference yesterday, the Prime Minister issued a release stating his news conference “was a damp squib littered with lies and more lies”.

“Let me state very clearly and unequivocally that these accusations are false and without any foundation whatsoever,” she stated.

Persad-Bissessar said she hoped the observers “will by now have noted the pattern of increasingly far-fetched claims being made by this man and how quickly each set of his claims unravels once the facts are known. Everybody knows his present plight and why he is becoming so desperate. He is a stranger to the truth”.

Warner is accused of corruption, fraud and money laundering by the United States with respect to his tenure at FIFA (Fédération Internationale de Football Association). Warner is currently out on $2.5 million bail.

In dealing with Warner's claim that Galbaransingh and Ferguson paid millions to the Prime Minister for their freedom, Persad-Bissessar stated due process in law was followed with respect to the case of these two men.

She said the record shows Justice Boodoosingh, presiding in the Port of Spain High Court, stayed in November 2011 any move to have Galbaransingh and Ferguson extradited as being “unjust, oppressive and unlawful”.

She noted this was well before the proclamation of Section 34 (in fact, almost one year before). “So that claim of a connection is, as others, absolute nonsense,” she said.

Persad-Bissessar noted Section 34 was passed unanimously by all sides of the House in 2012.

No instruction to AG

The Prime Minister noted yesterday the move to repeal came within 24 hours of receiving advice from the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) to do so.

She said she fired then-justice minister Herbert Volney, as he “had given erroneous advice to the Cabinet and had failed to accurately represent the position and views of the CJ and DPP”.

The Prime Minister attached the statement she delivered in September 2012 with respect to this.

“It gave me no pleasure to dismiss him, but all ministers in my Government are accountable and when tough decisions have needed to be taken, I have taken them,” she said.

On Warner's claim that Persad-Bissessar gave instructions to Attorney General Garvin Nicholas to sign papers against him (Warner), the Prime Minister said she gave no such instruction.

She said Warner should take his allegations to the Integrity Commission—as he and others have done before, and for which she has been cleared on every occasion.

“Let him take his allegations to the police with the evidence he claims to have. This will put a stop to this nonsense,” she said.

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Warner: $9.3m bribe passed in Section 34 fiasco
PM’s lawyers on high alert
By Gail Alexander (Guardian).


Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar has struck down embattled Independent Liberal Party (ILP) leader Jack Warner’s fresh allegations on the Section 34 issue as being crazy and false and has asked her lawyers to take the requisite action to stop “this malicious misinformation once and for all.”

This after Warner held a media briefing at the Normandie Hotel in Port-of-Spain yesterday, where he read out a statement on the Section 34 issue which he had completed with Justice of the Peace Anthony Soulette on May 29, the day after he was released from prison after he failed to secure bail when he first appeared in the Port-of-Spain Magistrates’ Court on charges related to his dealings as a former Fifa vice-president.

The statement chiefly alleges a conspiracy on the Section 34 matter by Government officials, spearheaded by Persad-Bissessar, in order to “assist” former UNC financiers Ish Galbaransingh and Steve Ferguson.

Warner alleged that followed “receipt” of a bribe, totalling $8.3 million, prior to the May 2010 general election.

Detailing a series of alleged developments, Warner alleged that the Prime Minister, in an effort to appease the US government for “her misrepresentation and mishandling of the Galbaransingh/Ferguson extradition and more so to neutralise a powerful political opponent with the capacity to lessen her party’s chances at the upcoming polls, she believes a golden opportunity has arisen for her to get rid of me based on the US charges.”

Warner, who also made claims about how former Justice Minister Herbert Volney was fired, said he was praying the PM would deny his statements, send him a pre-action protocol letter, refer him to her attorney or talk about it on the platform.

He said he had two more issues “more damning” than yesterday’s allegations to reveal and would also be doing an expose on the waste water treatment project.

After being asked about Warner’s claims regarding Galbaransingh, Ferguson and Section 34, Persad-Bissessar, responding via statement, said: “I don’t intend to waste any more time on Mr Warner’s ludicrous behaviour and crazy claims.

“The press conference held by Jack Warner was a damp squib littered with lies and more lies. I am responding at the earliest opportunity in the hope this will ensure that these outrageous claims by Warner are treated with the contempt they deserve.”

She added: “Let me state very clearly and unequivocally that these accusations are false and without any foundation whatsoever.

“I hope that observers will by now have noted the pattern of increasingly far-fetched claims being made by this man and how quickly each set of his claims unravels once the facts are known. Everybody knows his present plight and why he is becoming so desperate. He is a stranger to the truth.”

Timeline support

In putting a timeline as she refuted his claims, Persad-Bissessar said: “The record shows that Mr Justice Ronnie Boodoosingh, presiding in the Port-of-Spain High Court, stayed in November 2011 any move to have Galbaransingh and Ferguson extradited as being ‘unjust, oppressive and unlawful.’

“This was well before the proclamation of Section 34 (in fact, almost one year before). So that claim of a connection is, as others, absolute nonsense.”

She added: “Section 34 was passed unanimously by all sides of the House in 2012. It was subsequently repealed within 24 hours of receiving advice from the DPP to do so.

“As I stated at the time, I dealt with Minister (Volney) as I needed to do. He had given erroneous advice to the Cabinet and had failed to represent accurately the position and views of the Chief Justice and Director of Public Prosecutions.”

Citing the contents of the statement she gave in September 2012 on the matter of Section 34, Persad-Bissessar added: “It gave me no pleasure to dismiss him but all ministers in my Government are accountable and when tough decisions have needed to be taken, I have taken them.”

She also denied Warner’s allegations that she instructed Attorney General Garvin Nicholas to sign his extradition papers.

“In fact nothing has been signed by the AG to date. Another lie.

“Let Mr Warner take his allegations to the Integrity Commission, as he and others have done before and for which I have been cleared on every occasion. Let him take his allegations to the police with the evidence he claims to have. This will put a stop to this nonsense,” she said.

She added: “I have a duty to the people of T&T to lead this country and work tirelessly on their behalf. I remain focused on the issues that really matter and am doing everything I can to improve the lives of all the people.

“ I trust Mr Warner’s desperate and fallacious claims will be treated with the derision they deserve by the people of T&T.”

Contacted yesterday, Galbaransingh said he had not seen Warner’s statement or heard it and could not comment. Ferguson didn’t reply to calls.

Rowley shocked by Jack’s claims
By Kalifa Clyne (Guardian).


Political Leader of the People’s National Movement Dr Keith Rowley says the latest allegations levelled at Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar by her former Cabinet colleague, Independent Liberal Party (ILP) leader Jack Warner, are shocking.

During a press conference at the Normandie Hotel yesterday, Warner claimed to have had discussions with Persad-Bissessar regarding plans to help United National Congress financiers Ishwar Galbaransingh and Steve Ferguson.

Warner also claimed to have been in a room with three parties and witnessing cheques being passed between the parties and Persad-Bissessar.

He attempted to tie the events to the proclamation of Section 34 of the Administration of Justice (Indictable Proceedings) Act.

Rowley, who spoke to media before meeting with the Joint Trade Union Movement yesterday afternoon, said he was still in shock after hearing the allegations minutes earlier.

“I’m still in shock because even I couldn’t have believed that it was as bad as that.

“I had my suspicions but this is something where when I entered politics in 1980, I never dreamt that I would encounter this sort of thing in Trinidad and Tobago. I am still in shock,” he said.

Rowley also commented on the national debate which the Debates Commission announced would take place on August 26 and 27.

Rowley, who said the commission had assured him the debate would take place after nomination day, said while a national debate would be useful he would not be relying on it to debate with the population.

“There is no anxiety. We have been debating with the population and Government for the longest while.

“The biggest debating chamber in the country is the Parliament and I have been debating there for the longest while.

“The Prime Minister has been largely absent and she took the unprecedented step of using her majority to throw me out of the debating chamber so we are not exercised by any debate or lack thereof,” he added.

He said the PNM could speak to the people of T&T with or without any contrived debate.

“The national debate would be a useful thing. We said so from the beginning and we signed on to it very early. Other changes made by others, we are not concerned by that.

“It could be a useful thing if accomplished but if they don’t we get on with our campaigning as we have done for the past 60 years,” he added.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Socapro on July 16, 2015, 11:26:05 AM
I think the biased PP controlled media need to start referring to Kamla as "Ganja suspect" to add some balance to their reporting.
It is only fair if they insist on referring to Jack Warner as "corruption-accused".
However it will be best for the PP controlled media to cut out the childish name-calling all together as they are behaving just like PM Kamla at her political for-RUM who now regularly refers to Dr Rowley and Jack Warner as the "gruesome-two-some" even while slurring her words and being clearly under the influence.
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Bourbon on July 16, 2015, 04:23:45 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXMrFjNhBpo&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on July 19, 2015, 03:51:49 AM
Jack's Cheques Revealed
$.7m put into Chaguanas West account.
By Anika Gumbs (Guardian).


SEVEN cheques totalling $0.7 million were deposited into the bank account of the Chaguanas West constituency by road paving contractors Lutchmeesingh's Transport and Contractors Ltd and Namalco Construction Services Ltd.

Continued Sunday Express investigations into the questionable transactions have revealed that six of the deposits were made mere months before corruption accused Jack Warner transferred $.7 million from the Chaguanas West constituency account into personal and a business bank accounts, both belonging to him.

The seventh deposit, however, was made on April 30, 2013 some nine days after Warner resigned as minister of national security in the face of a damning Sir David Simmons CONCACAF (Confederation of North, Central American and Caribbean Association Football) report of allegations of multi-million-dollar financial mismanagement against him and former CONCACAF general secretary Chuck Blazer.

Evidence of the seven deposits is shown in the following paper trail listed below:

•March 31, 2011-$50,000 (Namalco Ltd)

•August 15, 2012-$42,000 (Lutchmeesingh's Ltd)

•August 17, 2012-$100,000 (Namalco Ltd)

•October 16, 2012-$100,000 (Namalco Ltd)

•December 4, 2012-$200,000 (Namalco Ltd)

•December 29, 2012-$100,000 (Lutchmeesingh's Ltd)

•April 30, 2013-$100,000 (Lutchmeesingh's Ltd)

Lutchmeesingh's Transport and Contractors Ltd was the company that was awarded a contract in 2011 valued at $61,668,510.16 to repair the Tarouba Link Road during Warner's stint as works and infrastructure minister. And records show Namalco Construction Services Ltd was the sub-contractor alongside Brazilian firm Construtora OAS when Warner handed over a $1.5 billion cheque to the National Infrastructure Development Company as part payment for the $7.2 billion highway from Golconda to Point Fortin. Warner has not responded to telephone calls or e-mails sent by the Sunday Express seeking his comment on the deposits made by the contractors.

What Warner said

During a press conference on July 14, Warner is on record as saying that the $.7 million transferred to his private and business accounts was his personal money he used to meet the needs of Chaguanas West constituents.

The bills, Warner said, were usually higher than the funds available in the Chaguanas West bank account and, as a result, he used his private money, returning it when funds went into the constituency coffers.

Warner said: “There were times when money had to be replaced and shifted around accounts.”

He also pointed out the importance of money being repaid to his companies whenever it was used.

Warner's response followed a Sunday Express expose last week that revealed the $0.7 million being transferred from the Chaguanas West account to his personal bank account at Intercommercial Bank Ltd (IBL) and into a business account in the name of Hand to Mouth Ltd, a company in which Warner has a business interest.

Warner is the sole signatory on account #373498 at IBL.

Two cheques valued at $500,000 were made payable from the Chaguanas West constituency Republic Bank account #290457900101 to his IBL personal account one month apart on December 10, 2012 and January 10, 2013.

The third cheque, valued at $211,448.46, was made payable to Hand to Mouth Ltd, on October 26, 2012 from the Chaguanas West Republic Bank account.

Ten cheques valued at $136,900 showed that the bank account of the Chaguanas West constituency was also debited to pay salaries to Warner.

However, Warner said he did not break his vow as the Member of Parliament for Chaguanas West and accepted a salary.

Six cheques also showed that Warner took back $18,000 from the Chaguanas West constituency bank account as reimbursement for rental of the constituency office.

Contractors and contributions

It is not the first time bank records have surfaced showing deposits made to bank accounts from contractors during Warner's tenure as a government minister.

As reported previously by this newspaper, Warner, in 2010 and 2011, wrote to contractors and other business interests asking for money.

Back then, Warner, who held the mega-portfolio of Works and Infrastructure, had requested the money to pay for the ministry's Christmas dinner that was estimated to cost $1.9 million.

Bank statements had showed that more than $9.5 million was deposited into a Royal Bank business account listed in the name of JLM Quality Services Ltd, a company Warner was listed as a director up to October 31, 2007.

Among those making a donation to the event was Jusamco Pavers Ltd, which made a $200,000 deposit.

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Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on July 19, 2015, 03:52:56 AM
US case against Warner ready...
Extradition request ‘by Wednesday’
By Camini Marajh (Express).


THE US Department of Justice (DOJ) statement of case against indicted former football jefe Jack Warner is now complete and is expected to be sent to Trinidad by Wednesday, a US law enforcement source with knowledge of the investigation has disclosed on condition of strict anonymity.

The source, who is not authorised to discuss the case, told the Sunday Express yesterday that the formal extradition request or “record of case” should arrive in Port of Spain by Wednesday, mere days before the July 27 deadline specified by the treaty for the final request to be made.

Warner was among 14 football officials and marketing executives arrested in a sweeping US$150 million bribery scheme stretching over nearly a quarter of a century on May 27 in a dramatic US crackdown on global corruption in football.

The disgraced former FIFA vice-president and ex-president of CONCACAF, the regional governing body for North and Central America and the Caribbean, was charged with eight counts of financial crimes in connection with the FIFA corruption case, according to the DOJ indictment which was unsealed in the Eastern District Court in New York in May.

Warner has denied all of the US charges made against him and has promised to put up a long legal battle to US prosecutors' bid to extradite him to New York to face charges of money laundering, wire fraud and racketeering.

The US corruption case against the Independent Liberal Party leader, according to the source, relies on an evidence trail of media contracts and other documents, bank records, e-mail correspondence and the testimony of several co-conspirators who shared in the bribery spoils, including his former close pal-turned-state Confidential Witness No.1 (CW1) American Chuck Blazer, CW2 Jose Hawilla, a Brazilian sports marketing executive whose company Traffic paid Warner tens of millions of US dollars in bribes and his two sons, Daryll and Daryan Warner, who have already pleaded guilty to US corruption charges in exchange for reduced jail time.

Hawilla has also pleaded guilty to wire fraud conspiracy, obstruction of justice and other financial crimes. Another marketing executive, Aaron Davidson, who was head of Traffic group's US division in Miami, is also expected to enter a plea in the FIFA corruption case, according to the source.

Both men are said to have provided key information about Warner's rich decades-long relationship with the global sports and marketing company and its Miami affiliate, Inter/Forever Sports.

The disgraced Traffic executives have reportedly provided US prosecutors with details of the rich media rights deals Warner is alleged to have cut with the Brazilian-headquartered marketing giant, according to the US law enforcement source.

Traffic is said to have paid some US$35 million in kickbacks to Warner and Blazer, the former general secretary of CONCACAF, who helped US agents in the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and Internal Revenue Service (IRS) build a sprawling multi-jurisdictional corruption case against top officials in FIFA's hierarchy.

In 2011, Blazer secretly tape-recorded his colleagues for the Feds, who have quietly been working the FIFA corruption case until their dramatic swoop down on a luxury hotel in Zurich and arrests of 14 men on May 27. He is said to have provided damning evidence of Warner's involvement in several bribery schemes, including a US$10 million bribe payment made to a Warner-created dummy programme called the African Diaspora Legacy in exchange for giving South Africa the vote to host the 2010 World Cup.

He also provided details of the bribery scheme related to the sale of the Gold Cup rights, a CONCACAF tournament held every two years featuring member associations.

Inter/Forever is said to have paid substantial millions of US dollars in kickbacks to secure the television and marketing rights as well as revenue from the sale of tickets to the tournament starting with the 1996 Gold Cup and continuing for subsequent editions.

Blazer and Hawilla, according to the source, have provided documentary evidence of the parallel contracts Warner signed with Inter/Forever. Payments to Warner and Blazer were made through intermediary accounts used by the Brazilian marketing company to disguise “the source and nature” of the payments, according to the source who is familiar with the case.

One of many such transactions paid by Inter/Forever was done through a company in Uruguay to a Barclays Bank account in the Cayman Islands in the name of Sportvertising Ltd, a Blazer-owned company. In the case of this particular transaction, which was routed through a correspondent bank in New York in March of 1999, Warner's share or half of the US$200K bribe payment was wire transferred a month later from Blazer's Cayman Islands account to a private Warner account at First Citizens Bank.

Inter/Forever also used other third party intermediaries to make its bribe payments to Warner and Blazer, including a Miami law firm which handled some of its legal business, the Sunday Express was told. Other documentary evidence on which the US corruption case hangs, relates to the theft of media rights earnings from the Warner-controlled Caribbean Football Union (CFU).

US prosecutors, according to the unsealed May indictment against Warner, have gone after the former FIFA executive Committee member for several of his more infamous transactions, including the theft of US$750,000 in emergency aid intended for earthquake-ravaged Haiti in 2010. Warner is alleged to have pocketed almost all of the relief money, US$700K to be exact. As reported previously by the Sunday Express, about US$155,000 was sold in US dollar currency trades to the JTA Group and International Shipping Ltd (ISL).

The US indictment against Warner details his corrupt dealings, specifically, allegations of theft of the Centre of Excellence from CONCACAF, the US$1.2 million bribe from Qatari billionaire Mohamed bin Hammam, the cash-for bribes affair which played out at the Hyatt hotel in Port of Spain and the theft of money from the Football Federation of Australia (FFA).

Warner is expected to appear before Chief Magistrate Marcia-Ayers Ceasar on July 27 to answer the US corruption charges and request for his extradition to New York. He has protested his innocence and made clear that he is going to fight the extradition request. He has retained British QC Edward Fitzgerald to lead his defence.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on July 23, 2015, 01:53:12 AM
AG: Extradition papers are here.
By Anna Ramdass (Express).


US MOVES ON JACK

The United States government has moved in on corruption-accused Jack Warner.

Attorney General Garvin Nicholas announced at an impromptu news conference yesterday the extradition request for Warner was now in his hands.

Nicholas also assured there will be no political interference in the matter.

Nicholas called a news conference at 6.25 p.m. at the Office of the Attorney General, Cabildo building, Port of Spain, to disclose this information in a brief statement.

“I have this evening received the formal request for the extradition of Mr Warner with the supporting extradition package,” said Nicholas.

“The process is now for me to examine the documentation and consider the evidence and decide whether to issue the authority to process. This is of course a serious and substantial matter and must be given due time and attention,” he added.

Nicholas then answered a number of questions from the media.

Warner, a former FIFA (Fédération Internationale de Football Association) vice-president and leader of the Independent Liberal Party (ILP), has charged on numerous occasions that the Government was conspiring to get him out of this country. He has repeatedly said he has no intention of going anywhere without a fight and it will be a “long, hot summer”.

Nicholas said the legal process will be followed.

No political interference

Asked whether he can assure Warner and citizens there is no political interference in the extradition, given that the September 7 general election was just a few weeks away, Nicholas said, “This matter has absolutely nothing to do with politics... this is an extradition request made by the United States government. We've dealt with several extraditions over the last few months.

“This is also a matter that does not only concern Mr Warner, it concerns 14 persons that the Americans had asked to be extradited to the US to face charges. The State has gone about this and certainly the office of the Attorney General and all the players, whether it be the police, etc, has gone about this as professionally as possible following the letter of the law and offering Mr Warner and his team all due courtesies when possible.”

Asked for a time frame on his consideration of the extradition request, Nicholas said, “I will not put a time frame on my consideration time. The document, as you can see from the bundle, is quite significant and therefore requires due consideration.”

Nicholas said the extradition documents were sent from the United States Department of Justice to the US Embassy in Trinidad, which then sent them to the Foreign Affairs Ministry. Copies were sent to the Attorney General's office and Central Authority.

“It is important to decide whether there is a case to be answered; and if there is a case to be answered, then the authority to proceed will be granted. And if in the Attorney General's discretion, there is not a case or sufficient evidence to proceed, then that is the discretion that will be exercised,” said Nicholas.

He said once a decision is taken, Warner's legal team will be notified and be given the opportunity to peruse all the evidence and a trial date will be set that is convenient to all sides.

Nicholas said there are no US officials in Trinidad on the case and it is in the hands of this country's authorities to deal with the matter.

Battery of lawyers

Warner is being represented by a battery of attorneys, including Fyard Hosein, SC, Nyree Alphonso, Rishi Dass and Anil Maharaj.

He has also retained British QC, Edward Fitzgerald, to lead his defence.

The State's legal team includes Pamela Elder, SC, attorneys Jagdeo Singh and Gerald Ramdeen, along with Alan Newman, QC, and James Lewis.

Questioned on why no State-employed attorneys were working on the case and instead all these lawyers were retained, Nicholas said: “We sought to get the experts in the field in criminal law, judicial review and extradition, and that was the decision made.”

Asked why attorneys were not sought from the Solicitor General's Department, he said, “The Solicitor General's office at the moment is actually quite stretched and this being such a significant matter that required a lot of time, a lot of attention and certainly action within a relatively short period of time. It was thought the best way to go was this way.”

Ramdeen stays

Questioned on whether any consideration was given to removing attorney Gerald Ramdeen from the State's legal team, given the allegations levelled against him with respect to “Prisongate”, Nicholas said, “No, I'm not.” Pressed why, Nicholas said, “I'm not.”

Nicholas, when asked by the media for proof and to show the first page and date of the document to verify it was indeed the extradition request, said: “No, I don't intend to show the document.”

He said he decided to inform the media of the arrival of the extradition request was to prevent the rumour mill from running and also because of the public interest in the case.

Sunday Express exclusive

The Sunday Express exclusively reported this week that Warner's extradition request would reach this country by Wednesday (yesterday), days before the July 27 deadline specified by the extradition treaty for the final request to be made.

Warner was among 14 football officials and marketing executives arrested in a sweeping US$150 million bribery scheme stretching over nearly a quarter of a century on May 27 in a dramatic US crackdown on global corruption in football.

Warner was charged with eight counts of financial crimes in connection with the FIFA corruption case, according to the US Department of Justice indictment, which was unsealed in the Eastern District Court in New York, USA, in May.

Warner has denied all of the charges made against him and has promised to put up a long legal battle to US prosecutors' bid to extradite him to New York to face charges of money laundering, wire fraud and racketeering.

Warner's sons, Daryll and Daryan Warner, have already pleaded guilty to US corruption charges in exchange for reduced jail time.

Jack’s extradition documents arrive.
By Derek Achong (Guardian).


The Office of the Attorney General has finally received the United States’ formal extradition request for former Fifa executive and current Independent Liberal Party (ILP) leader Jack Warner.

Attorney General Garvin Nicholas made the announcement at a press conference at his Cabildo Chambers office, St Vincent Street, Port-of-Spain, yesterday evening as he sought to dispel rumours over the arrival of the documents which are required for Warner’s extradition proceedings to commence.

Nicholas said: “The process is now for me to examine the documents and consider the evidence and decide whether to issue the authority to proceed.”

The official start of Warner’s case is dependent on Nicholas’s decision as only when he gives it, the documents on charges the former government minister is facing will be disclosed to his attorneys. His lawyers have already indicated they will need the documents to prepare Warner’s defence in his extradition proceedings.

Asked for a time frame for his decision in light of the fact that Warner is due to reappear before Chief Magistrate Marcia Ayers-Caesar for the continuation of his case next Monday, Nicholas said he was in no rush.

“This is of course a serious and substantial matter and must be given due time and attention. I will not put a time frame on my consideration as the documents are very significant and therefore requires due deliberation,” Nicholas said. When asked to respond to Warner’s allegations that his (Nicholas) handling of the extradition was being influenced by politics, Nicholas firmly denied that.

“This matter has absolutely nothing to do with politics. I can say all legal and due process considerations will be taken as we move forward with this matter.

“The Office of the AG and all local players, whether it be the police, have gone about it as professionally as possible to the letter of the law and have offered Mr Warner and his team all due courtesies when possible,” Nicholas said. He also defended his decision to hire a formidable team of private lawyers to represent the US interest in the case instead of relying on internal staff of the Central Authority, which co-ordinates all extradition requests.

The legal team includes British Queen’s Counsel Allan Newman and James Lewis, local Senior Counsel Israel Khan and Pamela Elder and attorneys Jagdeo Singh, Gerald Ramdeen and Alvin Pariagsingh.

“We sought to get the experts in the fields of criminal law, judicial review and extradition. At the moment the Solicitor General’s Office is quite stretched and this being such a significant matter which requires a lot of time and attention and certainly action in a short period of time, it was thought this is the best way to go,” Nicholas said. 

Warner, 72, of Cynthia Drive, Five Rivers, Arouca, is accused of 12 charges related to fraud, racketeering and for engaging in illegal wire transfers. The offences are alleged to have taken place in the United States, T&T and other jurisdictions between 1990 and when Warner quit Fifa in June 2011.

He is one of 14 former executives of world football’s governing body who were indicted on a series of charges after an investigation into corruption in football conducted by the US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and Department of Justice.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on July 24, 2015, 01:50:23 AM
AG: No obligation to alert Warner on extradition papers.
By Anna Ramdass (Express).


I DON’T OWE JACK

Attorney General Garvin Nicholas said yesterday he will not be baited by Jack Warner's antics and stressed he had no obligation whatsoever to inform Warner the United States had sent extradition papers for him.

Nicholas called a news confe­rence on Wednesday to announce the United States Department of Justice (DOJ) had sent an extradition request for corruption-accused Warner and he (Nicholas) will consider the evidence and decide whether to issue the authority to process the extradition.

Nicholas said he decided to inform the media, given the public interest in Warner's matter.

Warner, a former FIFA (Féd­éra- tion Internationale de Football Associ­ation vice-president and leader of the Independent Liberal Party (ILP), is facing a number of charges by the US government, such as fraud, money laundering, racketeer­ing and other financial crimes, relating to his tenure at FIFA.

Warner was among 14 football officials and market­ing executives arrested on May 27, in a sweeping US$150 million bribery scheme stretching over nearly a quarter of a century, in a dramatic US crackdown on global corruption in football.

I won't engage with Warner

On Wednesday, the day the extradition papers came into the hands of the AG, Warner, at an ILP meeting in Diego Martin, claimed Nicholas owes him over $100,000 and he (Nicholas) should have had the courtesy to at least inform him the extradition papers were here.

Nicholas told the Express yesterday he has no intention of engaging in a political battle with Warner.

“Jack Warner first claimed that he gave me $15,000 for my 2002 election campaign 13 years ago, to which I chose not to comment as I have stated that I will not engage with Mr Warner. Last night (Wednesday), he increased his claim to $115,000, no doubt, in an attempt to provoke a reaction.

“I however will not be baited. At this time, with so much going on nationally, regionally and internationally, I need to stay focused on the issues that affect the nationals of Trinidad and Tobago. This is not a time to be distracted by political platform rhetoric,” said Nicholas.

“Additionally, I had absolutely no obligation to inform Mr Warner of the arrival of the formal request,” said Nicholas.

The extradition procedure

He said further, the Attor­ney Gen­eral's involvement in this matter is mandated by legal obligation and not political considerations as some may wish to state.

“If I decide not to proceed, then that's technically the end of the matter, if I decide to issue the authority to proceed, then that commences the matter. That is the procedure,” said Nicholas.

He pointed out he has presided over five extradition matters since he was appointed Attorney General in February this year by Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar, and never once has he engaged with any of the accused.

Nicholas said the court process is technically a preliminary enquiry to determine whether Warner has a case to answer in the United States.

On May 27, the DOJ issued a provisional warrant of arrest for Warner. He has appeared before the courts on two occasions and is due to reappear next Monday.

After he spent a night in jail because of a problem in securing his $2.5 million bail, Warner vowed to expose Persad-Bissessar and her Government.

Since then, he has alleged Ni­cholas, Government Minister Dr Roodal Moonilal and Persad-Bissessar herself, as well as the United National Congress (UNC), were beneficiaries of his money.

The Prime Minister has refuted Warner's claims, saying she has ne­ver received any money from him.

ILP still in election race

Warner, the former member of Parliament for Chaguanas West, has said it will be a 15-year wait to determine this extradition matter. Despite his legal battles and, now, extradition hanging over his head, Warner and the ILP say they remain focused on contesting the September 7 general election and will continue fielding candidates.

Warner has not yet disclosed which seat he intends to fight, but sources say his eyes were on the heated Chaguanas East constituen­cy which was held by Transport Minister Stephen Cadiz.

ILP deputy leader Rekha Ramjit said Warner can contest the election, even as he faces extradition to the US.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on July 24, 2015, 01:51:49 AM
Moonilal: Bring evidence against PM to embassy
T&T Express Reports.


Government Minister Dr Roodal Moonilal yesterday challenged corruption-accused Jack Warner to personally hand deliver his evidence of corruption against Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar to the United States Embassy.

On Wednesday, at an Independent Liberal Party (ILP) meeting in Diego Martin, Warner alleged Persad-Bissessar accepted cheques, one in particular for $1 million, from businessman Ishwar Galbaransingh.

Galbaransingh and Steve Ferguson, both former United National Congress (UNC) financiers, are before local courts for corruption charges as it relates to the construction of Piarco International Airport.

The two were first indicted in 2005 in a Miami Federal Court on numerous fraud and money-laundering charges, stemming from alleged bid-rigging between 1996 and 2005 on contracts for Piarco International Airport.

Their extradition request from the US was quashed by Justice Ronnie Boodoosingh, who ruled that they both be tried locally.

Warner claimed the transaction between the Prime Minister and Galbaransingh took place at the Lange Park house of Richardson Rampartap, in the company of attorney Devish Maharaj, former chairman of the Cha- ­guaramas Development Authority (CDA) board Danny Solomon and Moonilal.

Warner said he intends to take the evidence to the US Embassy, the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP), the police and the Integrity Commission. He said further, if the US does not send an extradition request for Persad-Bissessar, then the US embassy is biased.

Barman account of a cheque

“It is ludicrous and pathetic. I hope for Warner's sake, this is not the quality of evidence he will take to the Brooklyn Federal court—this barman account of a cheque,” said Moonilal.

“Warner can get 100 years in jail with a defence of a barman. He is desperate. The barman witness reminds me of the bumbling barman in the 1968 comedy The Party, with Peter Sellers,” said Moonilal.

“I challenge Jack to deliver his letter to the US Embassy by hand,” Moonilal added.

He said further, his lawyers will look into the claims Warner made.

Efforts to contact Rampartap, Maharaj and Solomon proved futile.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Socapro on July 30, 2015, 05:53:38 AM
I think to add some balance the PP controlled T&T media and newspapers need to start referring to Kamla as "Ganja-suspect".  :mackdaddy:
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on July 31, 2015, 01:52:40 AM
Jack to pay Anand $.9m.
By Rickie Ramdass (Express).


Blows for Jack

CORRUPTION-accused politician Jack Warner has been ordered to pay former attorney general Anand Ramlogan close to $1 million in damages after a High Court judge yesterday ruled against him in a lawsuit filed by Ramlogan for defamation of character.

Justice Robin Mohammed made the ruling at the Hall of Justice in Port of Spain saying Warner could provide no proof to back up the allegations made during an Independent Liberal Party (ILP) meeting in October 2013.

The lawsuit revolved around allegations that Ramlogan was the owner of more than 51 properties which he could not have acquired based on his salary as Attorney General.

In his 57-page ruling, Justice Mohammed said it was clear to the court Warner made the allegations in the midst of the local government election with the intention of gaining a political advantage over Ramlogan and the Government.

“Such objective of political gain ought not to have been pursued at the costs of lowering the claimant's reputation in the estimation of right-thinking members of the public, discrediting the claimant in his Office of the Attorney General of Trinidad and Tobago and exposing the claimant and his family to ridicule and contempt, particularly in circumstances where the defendant showed no evidence or belief in the truth of the defamatory statements,” said the judge.

Ramlogan was awarded $600,000 in general damages inclusive of aggravated damages, $200,000 in exemplary damages and an additional $94,000 in prescribed costs—a total of $894,000.

Cost is to be assessed by the Registrar of the Supreme Court as it relates to an application made by Warner during the trial to amend his witness statement.

Warner to appeal

However, Ramlogan will not immediately be awarded the money as the court ruled that there is to be a 28-day stay of the execution of the order given that Warner, through his attorneys, signalled his intention to appeal the order.

Following the judgment, Ramlogan told reporters he felt vindicated by the judge's decision.

“Mr Warner had made some very outrageous and malicious accusations against me that I was the owner of over 51 properties and with a hint of corruption. I do not own anything near that and of course I was very outraged by his statements and the fact that he could have gone so far to make it on a political platform in the height of an election campaign,” said Ramlogan.

He said Warner, who was not present during the hearing, has made a trademark of himself in politics by making malicious and scandalous accusations against individuals without any evidence to back up his claims.

“I see he is doing the same thing with the honourable Prime Minister now and when the time comes to produce the evidence to back it up, what he does is cry wolf and run away. His day will come in judgment, not just in my matter, but in many others against who he has made the most scandalous accusations without a shred of evidence and today is just one of many judgments to come against him,” he said.

Ramlogan further added that if Warner does in fact appeal the judge's decision, he (Ramlogan) will cross appeal with the argument that the amount awarded to him should have been greater.

He said if Warner intends to appeal the matter he should also pay the sum ordered by Justice Mohammed into the court “given the limited duration of time he might have left in Trinidad and Tobago.”

Good friends for 20 years

During the trial, Warner testified that from as early as 2010 he had knowledge of Ramlogan being involved in wrongdoing by using his office for personal gain. Despite this, Warner said he never brought the information into the public domain given that both of them were Cabinet colleagues.

In his defence, Warner testified that it was Ramlogan himself who provided him with the information of the properties he owned and that he was simply repeating on the political platform what was said to him by Ramlogan while they were in Government together in 2010 and 2012.

He had further pointed out that he and Ramlogan were “good friends” for the past 20 years and whatever was said by him against Ramlogan during political campaigns in 2013 was strictly politics and was not meant to be an attack on Ramlogan's character or reputation.

Ramlogan denies owning the properties

Ramlogan however, denied being the owner of the properties and testified that even though he and Warner were Cabinet colleagues and would have discussed issues of national importance, he never trusted Warner to confide in him concerning his personal business.

Ramlogan had contended that the statements made by Warner generated harsh comments from members of society, some of which branded him “as corrupt and a thief”.

He said the statements were often a topic of discussion in his family, among professionals and even among distinguished jurists regionally with whom he had to interact in his capacity as Attorney General. He had further expressed his feelings of distress and embarrassment which were caused to him in the midst of the defamatory words which often in conversations called on him to defend his name.

Representing Ramlogan in the lawsuit were attorneys Avory Sinanan, SC, Gerald Ramdeen, Kelvin Ramkissoon and Varun Dabideen, while Keith Scotland, Asha Watkins-Montserin and Jacqueline Chang appeared for Warner.

Calls to Warner's cellphone for comment on the court's ruling yesterday evening were unsuccessful as all calls went unanswered.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on August 02, 2015, 07:57:07 AM
Hold your hand, Mr AG
By JADA LOUTOO (Newsday).


ATTORNEY General Garvin Nicholas is being asked to recuse himself from issuing the authority for the Chief Magistrate to proceed with extradition proceedings for former FIFA vice-president Jack Warner.

Lawyers for the Independent Liberal Party leader wrote Nicholas two days after he received the formal extradition request from the United States, claiming bias on his part and the People’s Partnership government of which he is a member.

In the letter, dated July 25, and written by Warner’s instructing attorney Nyree Alfonso, Warner threatened High Court action if Nicholas did not hold his hands on the issuance of the authority to proceed and correspond with the Chaguanas West MP’s legal team on the matter.

“It would be unfortunate if a refusal to recuse engenders further delay in this matter by having any adverse decision set aside by the High Court on the basis of the appearance of bias,” Alfonso said in the letter.

“In the interest of transparency we ask that you hold your hands in relation to any decision to issue an authority to proceed until there is an exchange of correspondence and the Office of the AG makes firm decision as to how it intends to proceed,” the letter advised.

On Monday last, Warner hinted at possible legal action being taken as he left the Port-of-Spain Magistrates’ Court on his third court appearance since he surrendered to police on May 27.

He complained that his matter was being prosecuted in the public domain.

The 60 days for the US to make the formal request, and provide a record of its case against Warner, expired on Sunday last. Four days prior to the expiration of the 60-day period, the necessary documentation and formal request were received by the AG and the Central Authority, which oversees extraditions.

Warner has been indicted in the United States on multiple counts of fraud, racketeering, money laundering and corruption.

The Extradition (Commonwealth and Foreign Terrorities) Act specifically states that the warrant to proceed must be issued by the Attorney General. Legal sources said in the event the Attorney General in an extradition request is conflicted, then the role to issue the authority to proceed can go to the Head of the Central Authority or alternatively another person can be appointed to act as Attorney General.

In the letter, Alfonso supported the call for recusal with references made by Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar and members of her government as well as claims of Nicholas being previously “financed and indebted to Warner,” referring to claims by the ILP leader that he financed the AG’s campaign in the 2010 general election.

Alfonso said the issuance of the authority to proceed — a quasi-judicial process — required fairness. “It is a matter of record that our client is a political opponent of the current government of Trinidad and Tobago and in particular the Prime Minister and various other members of the cabinet. Our client has for this reason been subject of frequent public comment by the Prime Minister, the attorney general and various other members of the cabinet.”

Alfonso also referred to what she described as “ominous” and “troubling political interference” with the extradition process and “a history of hostility demonstrated by members of the government”.

She said the provisional warrant issued for Warner’s arrest was politically disseminated even before he was provided with a copy. She also noted that the document was read out by the Prime Minister at a sitting of the Lower House on May 27, five days before Warner received a copy of the provisional warrant.

Alfonso warned that any interference with the liberty of a citizen without disclosure of the terms and basis for such interference was questionable and unlawful.

“At the provisional warrant arrest stage the Prime Minister plays no part in the extradition process which meant that the supply of the provisional warrant was both gratuitous and unlawful. It appears that the extraordinary step of supplying the Prime Minister with a copy of the provisional warrant was undertaken for the sole purpose of facilitating her disclosure of same to the Parliament.” Alfonso further said the troubling politicisation of the extradition process continued when Nicholas held a press conference when he received the formal extradition request and comments were made by members of the government prior to Warner or his legal team being notified.

She referred to eight newspaper articles published in the three daily newspapers as well as an internet news source to support further claims of hostility against Warner by the Government.

“Among other things, our client has been publicly described by members of the Government as delusional, a joker, disgusting, part of a gruesome twosome with the leader of the Opposition, a neemakharam, a liar, a problem for the whole country, and as hurting the image of the entire country. “In the present case, the hostility is towards a direct and actual political opponent and manifests itself in the crucial time preliminary to a general election scheduled to be held on September 7, 2015.”

Alfonso’s letter also said references were made of public allegations of wrongdoing by Warner in relation to his activities as former FIFA vice president.

‘Some of this conduct will overlap with allegations contained in the request for our clients with the result that there has been a public predetermination of our client’s guilt. We note in this contest that predetermination is a freestanding ground for disqualification on the grounds of bias. Additionally we note that the Minister of Legal Affairs Mr Prakash Ramadhar, also a member of the Cabinet, has publicly called upon our client to surrender suggesting that our client is wasting time by not doing so. This followed earlier statements of Mr Ramadhar in Parliament (Hansard 19 November 2014) in which he suggested that our client was guilty of criminal conduct during his tenure at FIFA.”

Alfonso noted that written objection has already been made as to the impropriety of the AG retaining and relying on advice of attorneys retained on behalf of the Requesting State when domestically, the Central Authority acts as the attorney for the Requesting State further to this country’s treaty obligations.

“In relation to any decision as to whether an ATP should be issued, the Attorney General must independently exercise his discretion.”

Alfonso said for the AG to be advised by those lawyers who are on record for the Requesting State was inconsistent with the independent exercise of his discretion.

“Any such decision which is arrived at by the Attorney General following such advice will be tainted and vitiated bias.”

Judicial review could stall extradition proceedings against Warner, with appeals going to the London-based Privy Council, the country’s highest court. Trinidad and Tobago gained independence from Britain in the 1960s but retained the Privy Council as its final court of appeal.

Warner, currently on bail in connection with a provisional arrest warrant, is wanted in the United States to face a dozen charges including bribery, corruption and wire fraud conspiracy in his role at FIFA.

Warner appeared for a third time before judge Marcia Ayers-Caesar in the Port-of-Spain Magistrates’ court, with lawyers from both sides requesting more time to examine the 166-page extradition document which the Attorney General’s office received last week from the United States.

The case was adjourned to August 28.

Warner is among nine FIFA officials and five corporate executives charged by the US Department of Justice with running a criminal enterprise that involved more than $150 million in bribes.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on August 16, 2015, 05:50:52 AM
Jack gets details of PM’s private liaisons...
By Renuka Singh (Guardian).


‘Too much hypocrisy’

Independent Liberal Party (ILP) leader Jack Warner is putting together another political bombshell—one that further intrudes into the private life of Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar. On Friday night, speaking at an ILP forum in Arima, Warner pledged to “do anything” to get Persad-Bissessar out of office. He mentioned then that he had a big “mark to buss” on her.

The Sunday Guardian has learned that the “mark” will come from the recording of a conversation he had with National Infrastructure Development Company Ltd (Nidco) communications manager, Ingrid Ishmael, in which Ishmael divulges confidential information on Persad-Bissessar’s private life, including past liaisons during her stint as leader of the opposition and while in office.

The Sunday Guardian obtained copies of taped conversations between Warner and Ishmael, which spoke about women said to be connected to the Prime Minister.

The women, according to the audio, allegedly shared a history with Persad-Bissessar and are now working in various ministries.

One of them, who is said to be favoured by Persad-Bissessar, was appointed to a consulate.

According to the audio, Ishmael, who claimed to have worked with Persad-Bissessar for 23 years, is willing to testify in court and swear on the Bible that what she is saying is the truth.

The Sunday Guardian yesterday contacted Ishmael to verify that it was her voice on the recording.

“Yes, I know what you are talking about,” she said.

“I don’t know how you plan to deal with this but what I said in that conversation with Mr Warner is the truth,” Ishmael added.

Ishmael said she worked closely with Persad-Bissessar when she was the then opposition leader and was privy to several aspects of Persad-Bissessar’s private life.

Ishmael said she worked with Persad-Bissessar as communications specialist at the Ministries of Education, Legal Affairs and Office of the Attorney General, as well as media relations officer at the Office of the Opposition Leader.

Ishmael said she has only now decided to break her silence because of her beliefs.

“I don’t believe a woman who prides herself on being the ‘mother of the nation’ but carries on like this in her private life should be given another chance in office. I cannot stand the hypocrisy of it at all,” she said. Ishmael confirmed that she turned to Warner to vent.

“I was there when they spoke about Mr Warner even when he was in the party and they referred to Mr Warner in the most degrading terms,” she said.

“That hypocrisy was too much,” she said.

“I do not push for fame. I work very hard. I am not doing this for any monetary nothing. I want my country back...”

While there is no date on the audio recording, the two talk about needing the information from the women involved “like yesterday,” as the election was “only four weeks away.”

The timing of Warner’s latest bombshell comes in the last few weeks of the United National Congress’ campaign for re-election. But at least one political analyst is questioning whether revealing information on a politician’s private life would have the desired outcome.

Just a week ago, news broke that former Express investigative journalist Anika Gumbs was “traumatised” by what she claimed were sexual advances by Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley.

Gumbs cited Rowley’s alleged behaviour as the reason behind her surprise resignation from the Express Newspaper.

Several calls and a text to Persad-Bissessar’s mobile phone went unanswered yesterday.

Political Analyst: Negative news could turn off key undecided voters

Analyst Mukesh Basdeo yesterday warned that while negative news about a politician’s private life may not affect loyal voters, it could turn off the key undecided voter.

“The idea of talking about the private lives of politicians is really to tarnish the public image of that politician. It is saying to the voters that this is the person behind that public image and to chip away at that,” Basdeo said.

“And obviously that could have an impact on the person vying for office.”

He said to alleviate this situation, the candidate-screening process must now move past the person’s viability for office and look at the person’s private life.

“It is now at the point where, like the US and the UK, we are holding persons in high office to a higher standard and we expect a certain type of behaviour from them because of the office they hold,” Basdeo said.

Title: Re: Warner: Where the money gone?
Post by: AB.Trini on August 24, 2015, 10:12:33 PM
Good question to ask come September 10
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on September 03, 2015, 09:42:22 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/1QfK4Xm56P4

At about 14', JW identifies Toco/Sangre Grande as a seat attainable by the ILP.
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on September 03, 2015, 10:04:13 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/aimdJwI7G0Y

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: E-man on September 07, 2015, 06:55:15 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/9R4DnhS.jpg)
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Socapro on September 08, 2015, 08:22:55 AM
I would like to thank Jack Warner and his ILP party for their crucial role in helping to get rid of the most corrupt government in T&T history.

I think Dr Rowley should offer JW a senator position in government if Jack would accept one.
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: R45 on September 08, 2015, 08:37:10 AM
I would like to thank Jack Warner and his ILP party for their crucial role in helping to get rid of the most corrupt government in T&T history.

I think Dr Rowley should offer JW a senator position in government if Jack would accept one.
I hope you aren't serious.
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on September 08, 2015, 08:43:36 AM
I would like to thank Jack Warner and his ILP party for their crucial role in helping to get rid of the most corrupt government in T&T history.

I think Dr Rowley should offer JW a senator position in government if Jack would accept one.
I hope you aren't serious.

Even if he's serious, that's NOT going to happen.
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on September 08, 2015, 12:33:09 PM
I would like to thank Jack Warner and his ILP party for their crucial role in helping to get rid of the most corrupt government in T&T history.

I think Dr Rowley should offer JW a senator position in government if Jack would accept one.

Pro yuh drinking? He have he pardner waiting on him in the good old US of A
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Socapro on September 08, 2015, 12:58:22 PM
I would like to thank Jack Warner and his ILP party for their crucial role in helping to get rid of the most corrupt government in T&T history.

I think Dr Rowley should offer JW a senator position in government if Jack would accept one.

Pro yuh drinking? He have he pardner waiting on him in the good old US of A

Don't honestly believe that anything will come of it within the next 10 years but we will see.
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on September 08, 2015, 02:09:01 PM
I would like to thank Jack Warner and his ILP party for their crucial role in helping to get rid of the most corrupt government in T&T history.

I think Dr Rowley should offer JW a senator position in government if Jack would accept one.

Pro yuh drinking? He have he pardner waiting on him in the good old US of A

Don't honestly believe that anything will come of it within the next 10 years but we will see.

10 years or a 1000 years Jack is a capital k crook so the PNM do not need the likes of him.
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on September 14, 2015, 02:47:25 AM
Khan: No need to return brief in Jack’s extradition case
T&T Newsday Reports.


Senior Counsel Israel Khan yesterday insisted that he was a professional person and a considerable amount of work has been done in the Jack Warner extradition matter and as a result he sees no reason why he should return the legal brief to the new Attorney General.

Khan said he was appointed by the former administration who judged him on his expertise and not out of favour.

He said he was willing to continue work on the extradition matter and believes that he will be able to continue what he started.

Also yesterday, another Senior Counsel in the extradition matter, Pamela Elder said she had no comment when asked if she was prepared to return the legal briefs given to her.

However, junior attorney, Wayne Sturge said, “I have no problem returning the brief, but I will first have to speak with head of the Central Authority (Netram Kowlessar) and I intend to do so on Wednesday after the matter is heard at the Port-of-Spain Magistrates’ Court and then I will decide the way forward.” Attempts by Newsday to reach another junior attorney Gerarld Ramdeen proved futile.

On Thursday last, another junior attorney, Jagdeo Singh returned the legal brief assigned to him to the office of the Attorney General.

Newsday understands that the new Attorney General has until tomorrow to sign the Authority to Proceed in the extradition matter, failure to do will result in Warner being re-arrested.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on September 16, 2015, 02:09:58 AM
AG’s deadline on Warner’s US case expires today
By Derek Achong (Guardian).


The deadline for signing off on the extradition case against corruption accused former Fifa vice-president Jack Warner expires this afternoon.

The T&T Guardian understands up to late yesterday Attorney General Faris Al-Rawi, who only took up duties this week after being sworn in last Wednesday, had not signed the authority to proceed in Warner’s case, which is required to kick off the extradition proceedings before Chief Magistrate Marcia Ayers-Caesar.

Al-Rawi did not respond yesterday to calls seeking confirmation on the status of Warner’s case in light of the deadline.

A legal source close to the case said yesterday although Al-Rawi only had a limited period of time to consider the documents, the exercise of his discretion would be guided by comprehensive legal advice on the issue which was obtained from the State’s legal team which includes a pair of British Queen’s Counsel, two Senior Counsel and a handful of other local attorneys.

This newspaper was reliably informed that the Central Authority Unit, the division of the Office of the AG which co-ordinates and facilitates extradition requests, received the advice a little over a week ago with the documents being made available to Al-Rawi when he assumed office.

In the event Al-Rawi fails to sign the document by 4 pm today, his office will have to seek another extension from Ayers-Caesar, who Warner is scheduled to reappear before next Monday.

If their application is eventually refused, Ayers-Caesar will then have to quash the proceedings against Warner and return his passport which was seized when he was granted bail after being detained on a provisional warrant in July. The US will then be forced to restart the process afresh.

However, when contacted yesterday a legal source with extensive experience in extradition cases claimed that any further delay in Warner’s case may potentially open the door for him (Warner) to claim an abuse of process in separate legal proceedings.

Asked yesterday to comment on the delay, Warner in a brief telephone interview said: “I have no comment to make or no interview to give on this matter.”

About Warner’s case

Warner, 72, of Cynthia Drive, Five Rivers, Arouca, is accused of 12 charges related to fraud, racketeering and for engaging in illegal wire transfers. The offences are alleged to have taken place in the United States, T&T and other jurisdictions between 1990 and when Warner quit Fifa in June 2011.

He is one of 14 former executives of world football’s governing body who were indicted on a series of charges after an investigation into corruption in football conducted by the US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and Department of Justice.

Warner surrendered to police in May after a provisional warrant was issued for his arrest when US authorities announced the conclusion of their extensive investigation.

Warner spent one night on remand at the Port-of-Spain State Prison before he was able to access his $2.5 million bail.

It took US authorities almost their entire 60-day deadline to foward their official request to the Office of the Attorney General, which is needed to prepare the authority to proceed. The documents arrived in T&T in late July.

In 2013, Warner resigned from his post of national security minister and UNC chairman after the publication of a report from Concacaf’s Integrity Committee showed financial mismanagement during his long tenure as the regional body’s president. Warner also resigned as Chaguanas West MP but later regained the seat in a by-election.

He then formed the Independent Liberal Party (ILP) but resigned as its leader after it failed to secure any seats in last week’s general election.

About Warner’s case

Warner, 72, of Cynthia Drive, Five Rivers, Arouca, is accused of 12 charges related to fraud, racketeering and for engaging in illegal wire transfers. The offences are alleged to have taken place in the United States, T&T and other jurisdictions between 1990 and when Warner quit Fifa in June 2011.

He is one of 14 former executives of world football’s governing body who were indicted on a series of charges after an investigation into corruption in football conducted by the US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and Department of Justice.

Warner surrendered to police in May after a provisional warrant was issued for his arrest when US authorities announced the conclusion of their extensive investigation.

Warner spent one night on remand at the Port-of-Spain State Prison before he was able to access his $2.5 million bail.

It took US authorities almost their entire 60-day deadline to foward their official request to the Office of the Attorney General, which is needed to prepare the authority to proceed. The documents arrived in T&T in late July.

In 2013, Warner resigned from his post of national security minister and UNC chairman after the publication of a report from Concacaf’s Integrity Committee showed financial mismanagement during his long tenure as the regional body’s president. Warner also resigned as Chaguanas West MP but later regained the seat in a by-election.

He then formed the Independent Liberal Party (ILP) but resigned as its leader after it failed to secure any seats in last week’s general election.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: lefty on September 16, 2015, 06:01:23 AM
it will be a monumental mistake to let dat lapse
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on September 17, 2015, 02:21:30 AM
AG seeks time to weigh US case.
By Derek Achong (Guardian).


Jack’s lawyers hold key to his future

Attorney General Faris Al-Rawi has asked for more time to consider the United State’s extradition case against the corruption-accused former Fifa vice-president Jack Warner.

Hours before the initial deadline expired at 4 pm yesterday, attorney Brent Hallpike, who is seeking the Ministry of the AG’s interest in the matter, wrote to Chief Magistrate Marcia Ayers Caesar seeking an extension to the deadline for signing off on the authority to proceed in the matter.

In the letter, which was obtained by the T&T Guardian, Hallpike stated that Al-Rawi, who took up duties this week after being sworn in last Wednesday, needed the additional time to consider a request from Warner’s attorneys which was refused by his predecessor Garvin Nicholas.

Stating that Nicholas may have erred by refusing that request, Hallpike said: “Now while the State is seeking an extension, according to the document, it is also providing an opportunity for Mr Warner’s attorneys to make representations as to whether or not an authority to proceed should be issued.

“The refusal of the former attorney general Garvin Nicholas to grant this facility was one of the reasons Warner’s attorney’s threatened judicial review.”

Although the letter raised possible ramifications of Nicholas’ handling of the situation, it noted that it was within his discretion at the time whether to accept representations from Warner’s lawyers or not.

Hallpike explained that Al-Rawi’s office wrote to Warner’s lawyers this week offering the opportunity to make the representations but the offer was declined and labelled as an “attempt to barter with the liberty of one of its citizens.”

The State’s legal team has challenged the response as they described it as “misconstrued and wrongfully labelled,” he wrote. While he acknowledged the undertaking given to the court when it set the deadline, Hallpike said more consideration needed to be given to ensure that the eventual decision was consistent with extradition legislation and did not offend Warner’s rights.

In the letter, Hallpike asked Ayers-Caesar to extend the deadline to Monday morning, when Warner is scheduled to reappear before her. The approval of the authority to proceed is required to initiate the extradition proceedings before her. The T&T Guardian was unable to confirm if Ayers-Caesar had responded up to late yesterday. 

 If the AG Office’s application is eventually refused, Ayers-Caesar will then have to quash the proceedings against Warner and return his passport, which was seized when he was granted bail after being detained on a provisional warrant in July. The US will then be forced to restart the process.

Contacted on Tuesday to respond to rumours of the extension application, Nicholas, who received the US’ formal request in July and obtained an extension to consider the voluminous material contained in it, had said Al-Rawi would be justified in making the request. “He (Al-Rawi) would have only just gotten sight of the document and he should take the time, even if it means a short extension, to consider it,” Nicholas said.

Precedent set with Ish, Steve

Attorney General Faris Al-Rawi is the second AG to invite representations from accused persons before signing off on a requesting State’s extradition request. In 2010, then attorney general Anand Ramlogan, SC, offered the facility to businessmen Ishwar Galbaransingh and Steve Ferguson.

Both men, who are still wanted in the United States for money laundering and fraud-related  charges over their involvement in the construction of the Piarco International Airport, managed to avoid extradition after a High Court Judge ruled in their favour in a civil lawsuit.

Earlier yesterday, Al-Rawi had told the media he had no intention of commenting publicly on public-interest matters which were before him but assured they were being dealt with expeditiously. He was questioned outside the Hall of Justice, Port-of-Spain, after attending the ceremonial opening of the 2014/2015 law term on whether his office would meet the deadline in the case against  Warner.

“The Office of the AG intends to act as an AG’s office is supposed to act. I do not propose to have public litigation and announcement of matters,” he told reporters. However, he assured Warner and members of the public the matter was being treated with expedience and within the constitutional parameters governing extraditions. 

“Sufficed to say the matter is before the court and is receiving urgent attention. There are no slackers on this job,” Al-Rawi said. His approval is required to kick off Warner’s extradition proceedings, which comes up for hearing before Chief Magistrate Ayers-Caesar in the Port-of-Spain Magistrates’ Court on Monday.

Although Al-Rawi had a limited period of time to consider the extradition documents issued by US authorities, his decision is expected to be guided by the comprehensive legal advice prepared by the State’s legal team. The team includes British Queen’s Counsel Allan Newman and James Lewis, local Senior Counsel Israel Khan and Pamela Elder and attorneys Wayne Sturge, Gerald Ramdeen and Alvin Pariagsingh.

This newspaper was reliably informed that the Central Authority Unit, the division of the Office of the AG which co-ordinates and facilitates extradition requests, received the advice a little over a week ago with the documents being made available to Al-Rawi when he assumed office.

Warner’s case

Warner, 72, of Cynthia Drive, Five Rivers, Arouca, is accused of 12 charges related to fraud, racketeering and for engaging in illegal wire transfers. The offences are alleged to have taken place in the United States, T&T and other jurisdictions between 1990 and when Warner quit Fifa in June 2011.

He is one of 14 former executives of world football’s governing body who were indicted on a series of charges after an investigation into corruption in football conducted by the US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and Department of Justice.

Warner surrendered to police in May after a provisional warrant was issued for his arrest when US authorities announced the conclusion of their extensive investigation. Warner spent one night on remand at the Port-of-Spain State Prison before he was able to access his $2.5 million bail.

It took US authorities almost their entire 60-day deadline to foward their official request to the Office of the Attorney General, which is needed to prepare the authority to proceed. The documents arrived in T&T in late July.

In 2013, Warner resigned from his post of national security minister and UNC chairman after the publication of a report from Concacaf’s Integrity Committee showed financial mismanagement during his long tenure as the regional body’s president. Warner also resigned as Chaguanas West MP but later regained the seat in a by-election.

He then formed the Independent Liberal Party (ILP) but resigned as its leader after it failed to secure any seats in the September 7 general election.

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Post by: Flex on September 19, 2015, 05:24:01 AM
Faris fires six from Jack’s case.
By Derek Achong (Guardian).


State lawyers to get chance

Attorney General Faris Al-Rawi has fired almost the entire legal team hired to represent the State in the extradition case of corruption accused former Fifa vice-president Jack Warner.

The T&T Guardian was reliably informed that Al-Rawi held a meeting at his Cabildo Chambers, St Vincent Street, Port-of-Spain, offices yesterday afternoon, where he informed three lawyers from the eight-member team—Jagdeo Singh, Gerald Ramdeen and Brent Hallpike—that their services were no longer required. The other lawyers who were relieved from the case but were not present at the meeting were Allan Newman, QC; Israel Khan, SC; and Wayne Sturge. Though Singh had returned his brief for the case earlier this week he was still invited to the meeting.

British extradition expert James Lewis, QC, and local Senior Counsel Pamela Elder were the two kept on by the AG.

A source told the T&T Guardian that Al-Rawi told the lawyers the decision was taken because the team of private lawyers chosen by his predecessor Garvin Nicholas was too large and their duties could be handled by state attorneys working within his ministry.

Before assuming office after last week's general election, Al-Rawi was critical of Nicholas' selections after it was revealed the team had billed the State for a combined total of over $12 million for preliminary work in the case, which is yet to start before Chief Magistrate Marcia Ayers-Caesar. However, the source revealed the AG's office was yet to pay the invoices the lawyers had submitted.

The T&T Guardian attempted to contact the lawyers involved yesterday but they all refused to make a public statement.

In a brief telephone interview yesterday, Al-Rawi also refused to comment on any matter related to the case.

“I do not propose to conduct state litigation in the media. I must be guided by my constitutional and statutory remit and certainly intend to bring a measure of discipline and coordination to the Office of the AG,” Al-Rawi said.

The lawyers’ last work on this case was on Wednesday, when Hallpike wrote to Ayers-Caesar on Al-Rawi’s behalf seeking an extension of the deadline for him to sign off on the authority to proceed in the case. The authority to proceed is required to kick off the proceedings before Ayers-Caesar.

In asking for the deadline to be extended to next Monday, the next scheduled hearing, Hallpike said Al-Rawi needed additional time to consider the case file sent by United States authorities and to give Warner’s legal team an opportunity to make representations before he signed the document.

Nicholas, who was in charge of the case since Warner was indicted in May, repeatedly denied Warner that opportunity. Hallpike added that Al-Rawi reconsidered Nicholas’ decision because while it was within his discretion, it opened the door to a possible judicial review challenge from Warner.

Hallpike noted that Al-Rawi’s offer was being complicated by Warner’s attorneys, who refused to participate initially as they described the roundabout turn on the issue as an “attempt to barter with the liberty of one of its citizens.”

Ayers-Caesar is expected to pronounce on the request for an extension next week. In the event she refuses it, Warner will be discharged and the US will have to start the process afresh.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Jumbie on September 21, 2015, 05:23:40 PM
Just saw this on the Twitter

CCN TV6 ‏@tv6tnt  12m12 minutes ago Trinidad and Tobago
AG Al-Rawi has  signed the Authority to Proceed (ATP) in the extradition matter of Jack Warner

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Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on September 22, 2015, 02:00:21 AM
Faris moves on Jack.
By Jada Loutoo (Newsday).


ATTORNEY General Faris Al-Rawi has signed the Authority to Proceed (ATP) paving the way for the start of extradition proceedings against corruption accused, former Fifa Vice President Jack Warner, who is wanted in the United States. The announcement was made yesterday as Warner returned to the Portof- Spain Magistrates’ Court.

Presiding over the proceedings was deputy Chief Magistrate Mark Wellington in the Eighth Court who held in the absence of Chief Magistrate Marcia Ayers Caesar. Al-Rawi missed last Wednesday’s deadline for signing the ATP, and his failure to do so on time was challenged by Warner’s lead counsel Fyard Hosein, SC.

Although Hosein acknowledged that Al -Rawi had written to the Chief Magistrate seeking an extension, he noted there was no authority for one to be given. He insisted that in accordance with the provisions of the Extradition (Commonwealth and Foreign Territories) Act, the provisional warrant issued for Warner’s arrest in May on US charges of racketeering, wire fraud and money laundering conspiracies, should be automatically discharged.

Hosein cited Section 12 (3) of the Extradition Act which provides for a person arrested on a provisional warrant to be discharged if no authority to proceed has been received by the magistrate. “It is important to us for you to make an order of discharge,” Hosein said.

“It is a requirement of the legislation and the importance of the liberty of the subject,” he added.

However, lead counsel for the State James Lewis QC, submitted that to discharge Warner under the provisional warrant would be strictly academic as the court only now had the jurisdiction over the extradition proceedings with the signing of the ATP. He said Warner should have applied for the discharge immediately upon expiration of the deadline last week.

Lewis said Warner was now before the court on fresh charges which differed from those listed on the provisional warrant and the matter had now entered the committal phase with the issuance of the authority to proceed. “It is a simple position,” Lewis said, advising the court that its duty under Section 10 (1) of the Act was to set a timetable for the extradition hearing. He also indicated that the State will not be objecting to Warner continuing on the $2.5 million bail.

But Hosein insisted he wanted all parties to “get it right” and in accordance with the law, as he pressed for the discharge of his client on the provisional warrant, adding also that Warner may require it for future legal proceedings against the extradition. Wellington adjourned the case to Friday when he will make his ruling.

“I am troubled by the difference of opinion between the parties on this point and I need time to consider all that is before me,” Wellington said. The State was also represented yesterday by Pamela Elder SC and included Brent Hallpike and Head of the Central Authority Netram Kowlessar. Six other members of the team were fired last week by Al-Rawi last Friday. Representing Warner were Nyree Alphonso, Sasha Bridgmohan, Rishi Dass and Anil Maharaj.

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Post by: Sando prince on September 22, 2015, 06:04:35 PM

Jack Warner challenges AG’s decision to proceed with extradition

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/Jack-Warner-challenges-AG-s-decision-to-proceed-with-extradition (http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/Jack-Warner-challenges-AG-s-decision-to-proceed-with-extradition)

PORT OF SPAIN, Trinidad (Trinidad Express) – Corruption accused Jack Warner was told in court on Monday that Attorney General Faris Al-Rawi has signed the documents which allows the extradition case against him to proceed.

However, Warner’s attorneys are challenging the decision, stating that Al-Rawi missed the September 16 date for signing off on the documents, and as a result, Warner should be discharged.


Warner reappeared in the Port of Spain Magistrates’ Court on Monday. He was taken before Eight Court Deputy Chief Magistrate Mark Wellington, who heard the arguments.

The State is being represented by Queens Counsel James Lewis, Senior Counsel Pamela Elder, Brent Hallpike, and head of the Central Authority , attorney Netram Kowlessar.

Last Friday, Al-Rawi fired several of the attorneys who were part of the State’s team, including senior counsel Israel Khan, Gerald Ramdeen, Jagdeo Singh, and Wayne Sturge.

Warner is one of 14 people indicted on a series of criminal charges in the United States, including racketeering, fraud, and money laundering, related to their time at FIFA.

The court was told that the Authority to Proceed (ATP) documents had been signed, but Warner’s lead attorney Fyard Hosein said that the deadline date for signing the documents was September 16 and the attorney general had missed the date.

As a result, said Hosein, the Court had the right to discharge Warner.

However, Lewis countered that the documents were now signed, making way for the extradition matter to proceed and there should be no discharge.

Magistrate Wellington asked for time to go through the documents and adjourned the came to Friday.

Also representing Warner are attorneys Nyree Alfonso, Rishi Dass and Anil Maharaj.
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Post by: Sando prince on September 25, 2015, 12:26:19 PM
BREAKING NEWS; Jack Warner's extradition hearing set for December. Efforts to throw out the case this morning was overturned.

https://twitter.com/EWilliamstv6/status/647441873678802944 (https://twitter.com/EWilliamstv6/status/647441873678802944)

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Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on September 26, 2015, 05:21:09 AM
Wellington rejects extradition discharge argument.
By Jensen La Vende (Guardian).


Warner case set for Dec 2

Deputy Chief Magistrate Mark Wellington yesterday ruled in favour of the prosecution in the extradition case against Jack Warner and ordered that his matter begin in December.

In the process, Wellington set a December 2 date for hearing Warner’s extradition to the United States case, despite strenuous objections by Warner’s lead attorney Senior Counsel Fyard Hosein, who unsuccessfully argued that more time was needed in the complex case.

Warner lost the first round in what is likely to be a long battle on the same day Switzerland’s attorney general announced a probe had been started into current Fifa president Sepp Blatter. The case will look at some of the same accusations levelled against Warner in the matter being pursued by the US authorities.

Hosein had argued that the state’s legal team had been “dilly-dallying” on signing the Authority to Proceed and only did so after the deadline had expired. He said the State used as excuses the general election and the need for time to consider the documents even while having an abundance of lawyers on its side.

“We can’t have a situation where they are now saying this matter is an urgent one,” Hosein said, adding that the defence only last Thursday received documents in relation to the matter which list 29 charges for Warner to answer.

Senior Counsel Pamela Elder, the lead local attorney representing the requesting State, said the Authority to Proceed (ATP) was in place and the extradition proceedings should commence as soon as possible in accordance with Section 12:2 of the Extradition Act.

In setting the trial date yesterday, Wellington told Hosein, who on the last occasion had asked that his client be discharged since the State had failed to sign the ATP within the specified timeframe, “I do not think I can accede to the request.”

Warner is charged with 29 counts of several statutory offences, including money laundering under the Proceeds of Crime Act, corruption under the Prevention of Corruption Act, and receiving money under the Larceny Act.

He is also charged with conspiracy to accept corrupt payments, conspiracy to launder money and conspiracy to defraud.

The case

Warner, 72, of Cynthia Drive, Five Rivers, Arouca, faces 12 charges related to fraud, racketeering and illegal wire transfers.

The offences are alleged to have taken place in the US, T&T and other jurisdictions between 1990 and June 2011 when Warner quit Fifa. He is currently on $2.5 million bail.

The former political leader of the Independent Liberal Party was arrested on a provisional warrant in May after the US Department of Justice announced the results of their investigation into Warner and 12 of his former colleagues and current Fifa officials.

Warner and nine other defendants are still fighting extradition to the United States. The other three are currently in the US to answer the charges.

While Warner’s matter is before the courts, the Swiss attorney general yesterday made moves against Blatter, searching his offices on suspicion that he misappropriated funds and violated his duties while in charge of Fifa.

Blatter agreed to step down as Fifa head earlier this year, although he retained the presidency, amid a corruption scandal which swirled around the world governing body for football. Fresh presidential elections for Fifa will be held on February 26 next year.

Related News

FIFA boss under criminal probe over Warner TV-deal
T&T Newsday Reports.


SWISS prosecutors say they are investigating Sepp Blatter, the head of football’s world governing body Fifa , on suspicion of criminal mismanagement.

The attorney general’s office said he was suspected of signing a contract that was “unfavourable to Fifa ” and making a “disloyal payment” to European football chief Michel Platini. Blatter was being questioned, and his office was searched, it added.

The 79-year-old, who has run Fifa since 1998, has always denied any wrongdoing. Fifa , which has been hit by a string of corruption allegations in recent years, said it was co-operating with the investigation.

“Swiss criminal proceedings against the president of Fifa Mr Joseph Blatter, have been opened...on suspicion of criminal mismanagement and alternatively misappropriation,” the Swiss attorney general’s office said in a statement. It said Mr Blatter was suspected of signing a contract with former Caribbean football chief and Fifa vice-president Jack Warner in 2005, that was “unfavourable to Fifa ” and in doing so, “violated his fiduciary duties and acted against the interest of Fifa.”

The contract they mention is thought to refer to a TV rights deal agreed between Fifa and Mr Warner’s organisation Concacaf which, according to an investigation by a Swiss broadcaster earlier this month, allegedly resulted in a multi-million pound profit for Mr Warner’s own company. Fifa owns the TV rights to the World Cup and sells them to regional federations which then sell them on to broadcasters.

Blatter’s lawyer, Richard Cullen, said he was confident the inquiry would clear the world football chief of any wrongdoing.

“We are confident that when the Swiss authorities have a chance to review the documents and the evidence, they will see that the contract was properly prepared and negotiated by the appropriate staff members of Fifa who were routinely responsible for such contracts, and certainly no mismanagement occurred,” he said.

According to the Swiss attorney general, Blatter is also suspected of making a “disloyal payment” of two million Swiss francs ($2m; £1.3m) in 2011 to Mr Michel Platini, the statement said. It said the payment was “at the expense of Fifa , which was allegedly made for work performed between January 1999 and June 2002”.

Blatter is due to step down in February and Platini is widely expected to replace him. Platini, for his part, issued a statement yesterday evening, saying the money he received from Blatter “relates to work which I carried out under a contract with Fifa ” and he had clarified matters with the authorities.

In May, Swiss authorities arrested seven Fifa officials in Zurich at the request of the US.

One, Fifa Vice-President Jeffrey Webb, has already been extradited.

The US then unveiled indictments against seven other people in their corruption case.

Nine of those accused were high-ranking current or former Fifa officials. They include Jack Warner who is currently fighting extradition from Trinidad.

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Post by: Flex on October 06, 2015, 12:49:50 PM
Media Release - ILP’s response to Budget 2016

The National Budget Statement 2016 as presented by the Finance Minister this afternoon can only be assessed as a fair effort given that the new government had only one month since assuming office to conduct a detailed situation analysis and to attempt to fit its Manifesto promises into a very constrained economic environment.

At this point in time, the Independent Liberal Party (ILP) is very concerned by the revelations from the Minister that the previous People’s Partnership (PP) administration sent the cash balances of the Treasury down to negative $8.5 billion – a staggering drop of $15 billion, saddled the incoming government with billions of dollars in commitments and loans, abused the Central Bank Overdraft Limit, and manipulated figures to the point where it will take some time to determine the true levels of revenues and expenditure over the last five years.

This means that the current government may be budgeting to some extent in the dark, for who knows what other surprises will be found later, and in other ways with its hands tied – hence the $63 billion total. It also means that the public will have to wait to find out the true state of the national accounts while the prudence and judgment of the current administration is scrutinized by John Public.

Also of concern to the ILP is the state of the domestic economy and the outlook which, according to the Minister, is no different from the position stated by Moody’s Investor Service some months ago and which was denied by the PP.

In these circumstances, it would be disingenuous to expect too much from the new administration or to be too harsh with respect to any apparent shortcomings at this time. These, the ILP will reserve until the mid-year review exercise due in March next year, by which time the government would have been fully settled in and would have been able to conduct a proper survey of the country’s financial situation and the appropriate adjustments.

At this preliminary stage, the use of an oil price of USD$45 per barrel was expected given the recent trends, however the constraining of the budgetary deficit to $2.8 billion is commendable. The Minister outlined a series of tax increases such as the reduction in the fuel subsidy and the necessary return of property tax, that were cushioned by decreases in income tax and VAT, increase in pensions along with incentives for certain sectors such as those announced for agriculture. Given the dynamics of the current situation, it would be interesting to see how this would play out towards the overall goal of balancing the situation by 2018 as the Minister hopes to do.

We note however that in terms of the details of projects announced by the Minister, no costs and timeframes were given for the delivery of major initiatives such as the various infrastructure projects and the proposals for development of industrial areas. This is perhaps because the Minister simply quoted liberally from the People’s National Movement’s (PNM) General Election 2015 Manifesto.

In this aspect the Budget Statement, in some areas, lacks sufficient detail to be helpful to the general public in assessing how well the government would be able to balance its spending against the projected revenues. As usual, the real details would only be seen upon close examination of the Draft Estimates of Expenditure and Revenue – in particular the recurrent expenditure totals, and hopefully when the other members of the government make their respective contributions in the ensuing debate.

Given the disturbing information revealed by the Minister of Finance with regard to the mismanagement of the economy and hiding of related information by the previous PP administration, and the bleak economic situation – both presently and forecasted – the ILP believes the Rowley Administration should prioritize the exercise to determine the true liabilities and financial commitments on the national purse. Citizens should be vigilant and prepare for a rough time ahead in the event that the situation turns out to be worse than the Minister’s preliminary assessment or in case all does not go exactly according to his plan.

Respectfully Submitted,
Jack Warner
Political Leader
Independent Liberal Party
October 5, 2015


Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Deeks on October 06, 2015, 06:31:53 PM
I thought Jack retired from leadership of the party.
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on October 06, 2015, 09:39:42 PM
I thought Jack retired from leadership of the party.

Not only you. Nevertheless, it is an astute contribution by the wily one.
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: R45 on October 07, 2015, 01:13:31 PM
I don't think we will see Jack's actual political retirement until Kamla loses the UNC internal elections - I'm sure that's his next goal.
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Socapro on October 07, 2015, 10:32:00 PM
I don't think we will see Jack's actual political retirement until Kamla loses the UNC internal elections - I'm sure that's his next goal.
:beermug:
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Sando prince on October 08, 2015, 04:34:35 PM


JACK WARNER RELEASES SERIES OF EMAILS BETWEEN HIMSELF AND SKY SPORTS NEWS; SHOWS EMPATHY TOWARDS SEPP BLATTER

Below is an email chain involving Jack Warner and Sky Sports News:

https://www.facebook.com/CNC3Television/posts/10153686824277996:0 (https://www.facebook.com/CNC3Television/posts/10153686824277996:0)
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Bourbon on October 19, 2015, 05:29:01 AM
http://www.caribbeannewsnow.com/headline-US-pursuing-Warner's-claim-of-political-corruption-in-Trinidad-27958.html
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: lefty on October 19, 2015, 06:07:09 AM
http://www.caribbeannewsnow.com/headline-US-pursuing-Warner's-claim-of-political-corruption-in-Trinidad-27958.html

hmmm wonder if this story goh gain traction here
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Sando prince on October 27, 2015, 03:55:29 PM

"Former FIFA Vice President and UNC Chairman, Jack Warner, says he has "no desire to rejoin the UNC in any capacity..." In a release issued VIA his Facbook Page this afternoon Warner said "I have no desire to inflict the likes of Kamla Persad-Bissessar and the rest of the Cabal upon the people of T&T...” Warner was responding to call from the Member of Parliament for San Juan/Barataria Dr Fuad Khan, who said Warner, former AG Ramesh Lawrence Maharaj, UNC Founder Basdeo Panday" -CNC3

https://www.facebook.com/cnewslive/posts/10153657463855610:0 (https://www.facebook.com/cnewslive/posts/10153657463855610:0)

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Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Sando prince on November 18, 2015, 06:04:23 AM

Jack Warner gets MBA
Sunday, November 15 2015

INDEPENDENT Liberal Party (ILP) former leader, Jack Warner, 72, was awarded a Masters of Business Administration (MBA) degree issued by Anglia Ruskin University at the School of Accounting and Management (SAM) graduation ceremony at the Hilton Trinidad, Port-of-Spain on November 8.


Fascinatingly, he was among an unusually high number of fellow-graduates who were also present and/or former members of the former People’s Partnership government.

Those also receiving MBAs including United National Congress (UNC) acting chairman, Khadijah Ameen; former tourism minister, Chandresh Sharma; former Congress of the People councillor, Kevan Gibbs; and former Strategic Services Agency head, Reshmi Ramnarine


Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Bourbon on November 19, 2015, 10:49:56 AM

Jack Warner gets MBA
Sunday, November 15 2015

INDEPENDENT Liberal Party (ILP) former leader, Jack Warner, 72, was awarded a Masters of Business Administration (MBA) degree issued by Anglia Ruskin University at the School of Accounting and Management (SAM) graduation ceremony at the Hilton Trinidad, Port-of-Spain on November 8.


Fascinatingly, he was among an unusually high number of fellow-graduates who were also present and/or former members of the former People’s Partnership government.

Those also receiving MBAs including United National Congress (UNC) acting chairman, Khadijah Ameen; former tourism minister, Chandresh Sharma; former Congress of the People councillor, Kevan Gibbs; and former Strategic Services Agency head, Reshmi Ramnarine





Hmmmmmmmmmm.
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on December 16, 2015, 02:48:26 AM
Jack, please pay me
By JADA LOUTOO (Newsday)


A 60-year-old unemployed mother of a partially blind, mute and deaf artist is appealing to corruption accused, former FIFA vice president Jack Warner to honour a High Court judgement and pay her the almost $.5 million owed to her by one of his companies.

Gwenie Gomez-James, of Silverbeak Lane, Maloney, has for the last three years been appealing to Warner to pay the debt, which now amounts to $474,299, before interest is calculated.

Gomez-James was a former employee of JAMAD Maintenance Services; the directors of which are listed as Warner, his wife Maureen and their two sons Daryan and Darrell. The company was one of eight entities, Warner listed as being involved in the management in a recent affidavit in support of a judicial review application challenging his extradition to the United States.

On May 2, 2007, Gomez-James suffered an accident on the job which caused her significant injury to her eye. Since then she has been unable to work and commenced legal proceedings against JMSL in 2010. On May 11, 2011, the High Court granted judgment in Gomez- James’ favour and one year later, damages were assessed by Master Martha Alexander in the sum of $180,000 at a rate of eight percent interest from November 30, 2010, to May 15, 2012; special damages in the sum of $101,990 with interest at eight percent for same period and loss of earnings of $129,000 as well as costs assessed in the sum of $63,239.

Since then, Gomez-James has been trying to get Warner or his company to pay the court ordered compensation. She recently retained a new lawyer to represent her interests and attorney Kevin Ramcharan, in a letter to Warner, dated July 22, said his client has made ‘multiple requests and attempts to have JMSL satisfy judgment debt and to pay what is owed to her.’ ‘JMSL has wholly failed and or refused to pay this judgment sum,’ the letter noted. Gomez-James also said she was told that JMSL stopped making NIS contributions for her or even signed the requisite forms for her benefits. She is now facing possible eviction from the Housing Development Corporation (HDC) as she owes thousands of dollars in arrears.

‘Directly consequent on the accident and the failure of JMSL to pay her the judgment debt due and owing to her, she has no financial capability to pay her rent to the HDC for the premisses which she lives in. She is currently several thousand dollars in arrears and faces the threat of eviction from those premises,’ the letter to Warner noted.

‘At her age and with her injury, it is not possible for her to get another job. For her survival she relies on the good grace of relatives and friends,’ Warner was also informed.

In addition to her financial plight, Gomez-James also cares for her son Selris, who is receiving treatment in the US. ‘My client is prepared even to agree that this judgment sum be paid directly to the Selris James Fund by JMSL or youself, in good faith and on humanitarian grounds,’ the lawyer’s letter to Warner said.

Gomez-James would also like Warner to pay her NIB entitlements.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on January 23, 2016, 05:24:55 AM
Warner extradition proceedings stayed
By JADA LOUTOO (Newsday)


A HIGH Court judge has stayed extradition proceedings against former FIFA vice president Jack Warner, but the former minister’s attorneys say they will not be rushed as they seek to challenge the legality of the Extradition (Commonwealth and Foreign Territories) Act, and the Treaty signed between this country and the United States.

Warner is wanted in the US to answer eight counts of racketeering and fraud as they relate to his tenure while at the helm of the world’s football governing body.

At a sitting in the Hall of Justice, Port-of-Spain yesterday, Justice James Aboud gave Warner permission to challenge the authority to proceed signed last September by Attorney General Faris Al-Rawi, which gave the Chief Magistrate the go ahead to begin committal proceedings.

Aboud noted while the leave stage was not a full scale dress rehearsal of the claim, the bar must not be raised too high.

He granted Warner permission to challenge the legality of the authority to proceed, as well as, what he referred to as the “sincerity” of the offer by AG Al-Rawi to the former FIFA vice president and the response of the former minister.

The judge said while the first ground of complaint was arguable with a realistic prospect of success, the latter barely crossed the bar.

He however said the complaint of apparent bias by the AG as he allegedly received advice from attorneys representing the requesting state (United States) failed to get off the ground as he found no evidence to impugn the impartiality of Al-Rawi.

Warner is to file his lawsuit by February 5 and the matter has been adjourned to February 26, when dates will be set for a hearing of the substantial case.

It was after the judge advised that he intended to run on a tight schedule and will be prioritising the extradition hearing as any delay will only serve to retard the momentum of the case, that temperatures began to rise in the courtroom.

Warner’s lead counsel Fyard Hosein SC, warned against rushing the case to pander to the United States.

He also took issue with comments by lead counsel for the State, Douglas Mendes SC, that there were other persons being extradited around the world in connection with the FIFA investigations in the US, and “we won’t want to find ourselves in a position where we are lagging behind.” Hosein said, “I don’t see why this case is being treated as a priority because some foreign government they have an issue with a citizen of this country.” But Mendes made it clear the State was not seeking to compromise the rights of claimants, but he noted the case was an academic one and reminded that extraditions involved an agreement between states and persons should be mindful to continue the comity between states even as the process is being challenged.

Following the exchange between both lead counsel, Aboud made it clear that he treated with all extradition hearings with expediency.

“I believe it is in the interests of the police whose return is being required,” he assured. Aboud said a person who did not want his extradition case to proceed expediently must have a good reason for not wanting his case to be treated in this way.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Sando prince on January 26, 2016, 12:00:11 PM

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Please join us in wishing Happy Birthday to former FIFA Vice President, CONCACAF President and T&T Cabinet Minister AUSTIN 'JACK' WARNER as he celebrates 73 years of life on earth today 🇹🇹
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on February 28, 2016, 06:37:56 AM
Warner judicial review lawsuit takes new twist.
By Derek Achong (Guardian).


US applies to be made interested party

Former government minister Jack Warner’s extradition proceedings took another turn yesterday when the United States government attempted to intervene in his judicial review lawsuit challenging Attorney General Faris Al-Rawi’s decision to sign off on its request to have him extradited to face charges in the ongoing Fifa bribery scandal.

During a status hearing in the Port-of-Spain High Court yesterday morning, attorney Vanessa Gopaul, who is representing the US, appeared in court and indicated her client intended to apply to be joined as an interested party.

Her statement was immediately opposed by Warner’s lawyer Fyard Hosein, SC, who questioned the reason for the country’s attempt to enter the case.

“It (the US) is partisan in its approach. They want to get Warner there in the shortest possible time,” Hosein said.

Stating that Hosein will be able to make extensive submissions on the issue at a later date, Justice James Aboud then instructed Gopaul to file her client’s application by March 18. Hosein also has until that date to file an application to adduce expert testimony in the case.

Warner, in his claim, is questioning the procedure adopted by the Office of the Attorney General in signing off on the US’s request for his extradition made in May, last year, at the end of the US Department of Justice’s investigation into Fifa. He is facing fraud and money-laundering charges related to his two decades as a vice-president of world football’s governing body.

Earlier this year, Aboud granted Warner a stay of his ongoing extradition proceedings currently before Chief Magistrate Marcia Ayers-Caesar, which will expire after Aboud decides on the legality and constitutionality of his extradition.

Warner’s attorneys are alleging that this country’s extradition treaty with the US contradicts the Extradition (Commonwealth and Foreign Territories) Act. They are claiming that, in passing the act, Parliament afforded citizens certain protections which are ignored by the international treaty.

He is also complaining that Attorney General Faris Al-Rawi failed to give his attorneys a fair opportunity to make representations to him before he signed off on the Authority to Proceed, which was required to kick off the proceedings before Ayers-Caesar.

Shortly after taking over the case from his predecessor Garvin Nicholas in September, last year, Al-Rawi extended the option to Warner. However, his attorneys allegedly refused as they said it was made a day before Al-Rawi was required to approve the extradition.

Warner is also being represented by Nyree Alfonso, Rishi Dass and Anil Maraj, while the State is being represented by Douglas Mendes, SC, and Michael Quamina.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 18, 2016, 03:26:28 AM
Judge rules in Jack’s favour.
By Derek Achong (Guardian).


Warner wins round one in extradition fight

In a small legal victory for former Fifa vice-president Jack Warner, a local judge has refused the United States government permission to join the judicial review lawsuit brought by Warner challenging Attorney General Faris Al-Rawi’s decision to sign off on an extradition request from the Justice Department.

Barack Obama’s Attorney General Loretta Lynch is seeking to have him extradited to face charges in the ongoing Fifa bribery scandal.

Delivering an oral decision in the Port-of-Spain High Court yesterday afternoon, Justice James Aboud dismissed the US’s application to join the judicial review lawsuit.

While Aboud ruled that the US had an interest in the outcome of the case before him, he said that its interest would be adequately dealt with by the Office of the Attorney General.

“Its position as an affected party is not compromised by its exclusion because its interest and the AG’s appear to be identical,” Aboud said.

He also ruled that the US would not “bring anything to the table” in the case as it admitted that it only wished to make legal submissions in the case.

“The applicant will not be bringing to court any different perspective or new evidence as to make its contribution useful,” Aboud said.

As part of his ruling Aboud ordered the US to pay Warner’s legal costs for defending its failed application.

Speaking briefly with reporters after leaving the Hall of Justice in Port-of-Spain, Warner said he was happy with the decision, which he described as a “victory for the sovereignty of T&T”.

“Ironically the US has to pay me. It’s long overdue,” Warner said.

Questions over procedure adopted AG’s office

Warner, in his claim, is questioning the procedure adopted by the Office of the Attorney General in signing off on the US’s request for his extradition made in May, last year, at the end of the US Department of Justice’s investigation into Fifa. He is facing fraud and money-laundering charges related to his two decades as a senior official of world football’s governing body.

Earlier this year, Aboud granted Warner a stay of his ongoing extradition proceedings currently before Chief Magistrate Marcia Ayers-Caesar, which will expire after Aboud decides on the legality and constitutionality of his extradition.

Warner’s attorneys are alleging that this country’s extradition treaty with the US contradicts the Extradition (Commonwealth and Foreign Territories) Act. They are claiming that, in passing the act, Parliament afforded citizens certain protections which are ignored by the international treaty.

He is also complaining that Attorney General Faris Al-Rawi failed to give his attorneys a fair opportunity to make representations to him before he signed off on the Authority to Proceed, which was required to kick off the proceedings before Ayers-Caesar.

Shortly after taking over the case from his predecessor Garvin Nicholas in September, last year, Al-Rawi extended the option to Warner. However, his attorneys allegedly refused as they said it was made a day before Al-Rawi was required to approve the extradition.

Warner is also being represented by Fyard Hosein, SC, Nyree Alfonso, Rishi Dass and Anil Maraj, while the State is being represented by Douglas Mendes, SC, and Michael Quamina. Vanessa Gopaul and Theresa Hadad represented the US.

The US Justice Department is making a legal bid to have a say on a preliminary aspect of its case, in which it seeks to extradite Warner to face charges, in a US court, on alleged corruption in FIFA. That is the wider case. The preliminary matter is Warner’s challenging the standing of the T&T Attorney General to assent to the extradition request. The Justice Department said it has a vested interest in any issue related Warner's extradition. The judge saw no need for the US authorities to get involved at this point. It does not necessarily signify that Warner will win his fight against extradition. If Warner loses this challenge, the extradition proceedings will restart.

The US now has two weeks to decide if it wants to appeal Aboud's decision. Warner's lawsuit continues on July 13 when attorneys will present submissions on a procedural application for Warner to call several foreign witnesses to testify in the case. A date yet to be set for the trial.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Sando prince on June 23, 2016, 11:31:47 PM
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Justice Aboud also ordered the US to pay Warner’s legal costs in defending the application.

Warner called the ruling a victory for the sovereignty of the twin-island republic.

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Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Sando prince on July 05, 2016, 03:47:03 AM

US govt appeals judge’s ruling *
Attorneys blocked in Warner judicial review lawsuit


http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20160704/news/us-govt-appeals-judge8217s-ruling

THE United States government has appealed the decision of a High Court judge who refused to allow the USA to be heard in a judicial review lawsuit brought by former FIFA vice-president Jack Warner, challenging his extradition to that country.
The appeal was filed by attorneys representing the US government and was listed to be heard at the Court of Appeal in Port of Spain yesterday, but the hearing was subsequently adjourned to July 18.

The decision being challenged is that of Justice James Aboud, who ruled on June 17 that the judicial review lawsuit dealt with issues that were strictly domestic and did not warrant the participation of the USA.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on July 05, 2016, 06:45:40 AM
Pyrrhic victory, Jack?

Tooth and nail.

Uncle Sam has money to spend and resources to leverage. Every inch will cost de adviser.

Perhaps the appeal was inevitable, but it surely was more likely than not to occur.
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on March 14, 2019, 04:27:33 AM
Jack agrees to pay Anand.
By Jada Loutoo (Newsday).


FORMER Independent Liberal Party (ILP) leader Jack Warner has agreed to pay a portion of the sum he was ordered to pay to compensate former attorney general Anand Ramlogan in 2015.

Warner also agreed to withdraw his appeal of Justice Robin Mohammed’s ruling.

Hearing of the appeal came up before Justices Allan Mendonca, Alice Yorke-Soo Hon, and Prakash Moosai yesterday and attorneys for both men said they had entered into a consent order.

As part of the compromise, Ramlogan agreed to waive part of the judgment sum, which had amounted to close to $900,000. This brought an end to the lawsuit.

In his ruling, Mohammed held that Warner had defamed his former cabinet colleague in a speech in October 2013.

Speaking on an ILP platform in the run-up to the local government elections, Warner claimed Ramlogan owned 51 properties bought by corrupt means during his tenure as AG.

Warner was ordered to pay $600,000 in general and aggravated damages and $200,000 in exemplary damages. The costs of the defamation claim were quantified at $94,000.

Warner was represented by Asha Watkins-Monteserin. Ganesh Saroop appeared for Ramlogan.

Title: Re: Jack tipped to head Alliance
Post by: Flex on July 17, 2020, 06:41:51 AM
Jack Warner to contest general election.
By CAMILLE MORENO (NEWSDAY).


Jack Warner is back in the political fray.

The former government minister and football jefe will contest the Lopinot/Bon Air seat in the August 10 general election.

Warner, 77, is expected to file his nomination papers on Friday morning under the Independent Liberal Party which he founded in 2013 after breaking away from the Kamla Persad-Bissessar-led People's Partnership.

Warner announced his candidacy in a statement on Thursday and said he will explain his reasons for contesting the election at a press conference scheduled for 3 pm, on Friday, at his office in Arouca.

Warner, who served as minister of works and transport and national security during his term in the Persad-Bissessar administration, will speak about the duty of a member of Parliament, the statement said.

Warner was elected Chaguanas West MP in 2010, under the PP, and won the seat again in 2013 in a by-election as the ILP candidate, which he triggered when he resigned the seat after he was fired by Persad-Bissessar.

His statement said he was "an exemplary" minister "so much so that even today his views and advice continue to be sought."

"This is an opportunity for you to hear his reasons for choosing to return to electoral
politics and share a bit on his vision, goals and strategies."

Warner was unable to make it a hattrick in 2015, when he lost the Chaguanas West seat to the United National Congress' Ganga Singh. The UNC was also unable to return to power losing to the incumbent PNM.

Warner returns to politics even as he fights extradition to the US on corruption charges that stem from his role as vice president of FIFA, the governing body of global football.

He was implicated in a bribery scandal and suspended by FIFA before resigning in 2011, but remained in office as a government minister.

However, in 2013 a Concacaf integrity report again claimed Warner had committed fraud and Persad-Bissessar fired him over the allegations.

In 2015, Warner (along with several other FIFA officials who were arrested in Zurich before the annual FIFA Congress) was charged in the United States with "wire fraud, racketeering, and money laundering."

FIFA also banned him for life.

In April, Warner dismissed an Associated Press report on new details of the alleged bribes, including that he received US$5 million to support Russia's winning bid for the 2018 World Cup.

The US indictment also accuses Warner and other former FIFA executives of committing fraud to secure votes for Qatar to host the 2022 World Cup.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: ABTrini on July 19, 2020, 06:56:03 PM
Little Jack Horner
Just go sit in a corner
Why would any morally ethically right minded voter seek to support a candidate with a past that is well documented to be less stellar?

Only inTnT - power corrupts absolute power corrupts absolutely
Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on July 24, 2020, 01:53:18 PM
Warner: I’ll blow your mind on August 10
SEAN DOUGLAS (NEWSDAY).


BUSINESSMAN Jack Warner vowed to defy the PNM/UNC two-party dominance of  politics by winning the Lopinot/Bon Air West in the August 10 general election, and even alluded to holding the balance of power. In an interview with Newsday on Wednesday, Warner said: “Wait and see. The results will blow your mind!”

Newsday asked why his party, the Independent Liberal Party (ILP), was vying for just one seat.

“In the first place, we believe the election is so tight that one seat will matter," he replied.

"In that regard, we didn’t feel we should spend money on other seats where our chances are not as good as they are in Lopinot/Bon Air West. I live here. I’ve been here for the past 50-plus years. I know the constituency and I live among them. I know them and they know me. I know their problems and together we’ll be able to solve the problems of this constituency. In that regard, I thought it prudent to go here.”

Warner said T&T was falling apart.

“Our crime rate is soaring out of control, our health system is in shambles, our education system needs revamping and our social services remain unreachable to those most in need.”

He said a glance at the PNM’s 2015 manifesto shows the Government had failed to keep any of its promises, and if re-elected would again do nothing for another five years.

Asked about his win in the 2013 Chaguanas West by-election, when he beat the UNC’s Khadijah Ameen, he replied that his victory was intended to send a message that the UNC had not been invincible in its heartland.

Newsday asked if, in a general election to choose a government now, it would be hard as a third party to replicate his by-election win which was probably largely a protest vote.

“What I want you to do is peruse politics all over the world, in England going right back, and see the growth of small parties. You will understand that the era of when two parties control a country’s politics has changed and is changing rapidly.”

Newsday asked if T&T was still under the old system of duopoly. Warner replied, “Somebody has to change it. Somebody has to bell the cat, and if that person is me, then so be it.”

Newsday asked how many votes he expected to get, given the PNM won 11,000 votes ahead of the COP’s 6,000 in 2015 for that seat.

“All you have to do is wait and see. I challenge you, I guarantee you, that if you wait and see, on August 10 the results will blow your mind.”

Highly favouring his chances among constituents, Warner said, “Those two other candidates can say what they will do, but I will say what I have done. My track record speaks for itself.”

Newsday asked if Warner wins the seat, how would he factor into the PNM and UNC split. He replied, “If you think of 19-19-3, or 20-20-1, then of course your question is answered.

Newsday asked if voters should just stick with the PNM/UNC duopoly, one of which is ultimately bound to win overall, why vote a third party?

Warner replied that a single independent or third-party elected MP could change the policy of one of the two main parties and could champion electors against the domination of big business interests. He said the ILP was not committed to big business interests, unlike the PNM or UNC, and was therefore the safest bet to ensure the people are taken care of, especially in Lopinot/Bon Air West. “That is the basis on which I am fighting this election.”

Newsday asked if his comments at his recent announcement of his candidacy suggested he would be more inclined to align to the UNC than PNM if he is elected.

“On the contrary, I’ll be guided by what my constituents tell me or the party executive. This is not an independent campaign but for the ILP.”

Newsday pressed as to whether anyone would believe that as of now, Jack Warner has no game plan. He replied, “I leave that to your imagination.”

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on September 03, 2020, 07:10:48 AM
Jack has Covid
By Anna Ramdass (T&T Express)


Former FIFA Vice President and Government Minister Jack Warner has contracted the deadly Covid-19 virus.

The Express understands that Warner, 77, was taken to Westshore private hospital last Friday with reports of a cardiac issue.

He was subsequently attended do and he returned to his Arouca home where his condition deteriorated.

Warner was taken back to the Westshore hospital on Tuesday where a Covid test wad administered yielded a positive result.

The Express learnt that Warner is battling the virus and is in the care of the public healthcare institution.

There was speculation on the state of Warner's health on social media on Wednesday where rumours circulated that he had died.

Warner is not dead.

Independent Liberal Party (ILP) political leader Rekha Ramjit told the Express by phone that Warner is a private citizen and is entitled to his privacy.

She said when Warner or his family wishes to divulge any information they will do so.

Warner is the second Trinbagonian politician to contract the Covid-19 virus.

Former Caroni East MP Dr Tim Gopeesingh had tested Covid positive and was in State quarantine before being discharged to his home.

Warner had unsuccessfully contested the Lopinot/Bon Air West constituency seat in the August 10 general election and vigorously campaigned walking the constituency every day.

In 2013 Warner resigned as national security minister in the Persad-Bissessar government following a CONCACAF report which implicated him and his one-time ally Chuck Blazer as being “fraudulent in their management” of CONCACAF.

He is fighting extradition stemming from charges of criminal conduct in the US.

Warner had said last month that the corruption matter against him in the US is seven years old and he is optimistic that when the matter comes to trial he will be “fully cleared” as he was with the Integrity Commission.

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Warner hospitalised for COVID-19 treatment.
By Gail Alexander (Guardian).


A close relative of former People’s Partnership minister Jack Warner last evening confirmed that he had been hospitalised for the treatment of COVID-19.

“He is coping. He had a few issues of concern prior to the COVID diagnosis but he is a fighter,” the relative said, after social media reports first circulated yesterday that Warner had died before suggesting he was hospitalised on Tuesday for COVID-19.

The development came after Warner, 77, had said last Monday he had been tested for COVID-19 at a private institution after two of his employees tested positive recently. Two days later, he said that he’d spent a nerve-wracking 48 hours awaiting the test results but these showed he was negative. He said his wife Maureen, driver and others close to him had also tested for the virus and were all negative. He’d told the T&T Guardian that he would have still self-quarantine for seven days after the tests.

But yesterday, several social media reports alleged that Warner had “died” and it was later reported that he had been hospitalised with the virus.

Sports fraternity sources stated yesterday that following Warner’s first COVID test, he continued to feel unwell and went back for a second test at a private institution in West Trinidad on Tuesday - and that result proved positive. The sources also said that he’s since been hospitalised and is being treated for the virus.

Health Ministry officials didn’t answer calls on the issue last night, including on whether Warner, who unsuccessfully ran for the Lopinot/Bor Air West seat in the August 10 General Election, is now at a public health care facility.

Warner’s communications manager Michelle Borde-Harvey didn’t comment on the reports but told the T&T Guardian that Warner is resting comfortably.

“He isn’t saying anything to media right now but when he’s ready he will speak,” Borde-Harvey said.

Warner didn’t reply to calls or text messages yesterday.

Also contacted yesterday about the reports and his condition, his wife Maureen, speaking from their home, said, “I’m not speaking to any newspaper.”

Meanwhile, Independent Liberal Party (ILP) leader Rekha Ramjit said, “This is a private matter and I’m not about to breach any private confidence. If he can’t be reached, then he can’t be reached. His family will speak.

“If he can’t be reached, he can’t be reached or doesn’t want to be reached. I’m not denying or confirming any situation with Mr Warner. He is a private individual entitled to his privacy. If and when the time is right and if need be, his family will let the media what is happening. At this time, a person’s health is their private business and I won’t deny or confirm any rumours flying around the country.”

Yesterday, the UNC’s Devant Maharaj said he had spoken to the former FIFA vice president and Works and Transport minister last Sunday and Warner had told him he’d taken a COVID test last week and was cleared, as was his wife, driver and others.

The first politician to contract the virus was former UNC MP Dr Tim Gopeesingh, who was also being treated for the virus recently and had told the T&T Guardian last week that he was on the mend.

The country recorded a 28th COVID death yesterday and now has 1,201 active cases.

Title: Re: Jack Warner General Section Thread.
Post by: Flex on September 04, 2020, 03:09:38 AM
Sporting fraternity: Jack's a fighter.
By Bobie-Lee Dixon (Guardian).


Several hours after news broke on Wednesday evening that former FIFA Vice-President Jack Warner had tested positive for COVID-19 and was hospitalised, a post to his official Facebook page yesterday morning sought to confirm the reports, adding Warner was in good spirits.

“Pleasant morning all, the reports are true. Mr Warner has tested positive for Covid-19 and is, in fact, being treated. He wishes to advise all, that he is alive and in good spirits, as always,” the post read.

Responding to Warner’s diagnosis members of the sporting fraternity were now wishing the former CONCACAF president a speedy recovery.

Labelling Warner a ‘fighter’, they predicted he would fight and overcome this hurdle too.

Former Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) president, William Wallace, said in a telephone interview the news of Warner’s positive COVID-19 diagnosis was a bit surprising but he added that it was clear no one was exempt from the virus.

“I wish Mr Warner a speedy recovery. I know he is a fighter and we are looking forward to him getting over this,” said Wallace.

Get-well wishes also came from President of the Trinidad and Tobago Olympic Committee (TTOC), Brian Lewis who described Warner as a man of resilience and courage.

“It is not something anyone would want for themselves. One can only wish him the best in overcoming this,” he said.

Long-time friend and former Guardian Media Sports Editor Valentino Singh boasted, “If it is one man I know, will not lie down and die because of COVID-19, it’s Austin Jack Warner.”

Singh, who authored two biographies on Warner—Upwards Through the Night and From Zero to Hero, said Warner had surmounted and passed so many different obstacles in his life over the years from his childhood to now, and it was not like him to allow anything to defeat him whether it was a virus or fighting his legal battles.

“He is going to fight his way out of it, I am sure. He has done so much good for so many people despite what a lot of people think about him. And I am sure the weight of all the prayers by so many people will weigh in his favour. Like so many Trinidadians and people across the world, whose lives have been touched by Jack Warner, I too, wish him a speedy recovery.”

Morvant Caledonia United head coach, Jamaal Shabazz called Warner a ‘warrior’ who always maintained that disposition. He believes Warner was in God’s hands and proposed.

“Now is a time of serious uncertainty and it is important for us to turn to our Lord and draw inspiration for all aspects of our lives."

On Wednesday efforts to get updated information on the former politician’s condition proved a challenge as family and executive members of the Warner-formed Independent Labour Party (ILP) refused to divulge further details, saying Warner was a private citizen and the state of his health was a private matter.

Warner 77, unsuccessfully contested the Lopinot/Bon Air West constituency in last month’s August 10 general election, after which, he announced via his Facebook page he was exiting politics.

In the August 20 post, Warner, a former minister of national security, wrote, “I have chosen to exit from electoral as well as all other kinds of politics and for once, hopefully unperturbed, enjoy the evening of my life with my family and close friends. My political journey was rough but I enjoyed every moment of it. I may not live long enough to witness any transformation in my constituency, but never forget that I tried and that I love the constituents of Lopinot/Bon Air West for whom I would have given my all.”

After the election, Warner, a diabetic, had been experiencing health problems and was privately tested near two weeks ago for COVID-19 with an initial negative diagnosis, but subsequently retook the test on Tuesday after remaining unwell. The latter presented a positive conclusion.


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