Post by: Feliziano on December 28, 2008, 08:56:16 PM
"You'll Never Walk Alone" - de Official Liverpool thread
We leading going into the New Year, so I guess now is a good time to start a thread where allyuh other people/things could come and pay homage to us :devil:
The contents of this thread shall hereby include conversation about in-the-news topics, the Club and its owners, players, backroom staff, supporters and any other news items that might have a bearing on the day-to-day operations of the Club, both on and off the field.
Moderators feel free to merge all other Liverpool news in here.
The Liverpool FC Trophy Cabinet
League Champions 18
1900-01 1905-06 1921-22 1922-23 1946-47
1963-64 1965-66 1972-73 1975-76 1976-77
1978-79 1979-80 1981-82 1982-83 1983-84
1985-86 1987-88 1989-90
2008-09 should be official sometime in April ;)
Division Two Winners 4
1893-94 1895-96 1904-05 1961-62
Football Association Challenge Cup Winners 7
1964-65 1973-74 1985-86 1988-89 1991-92
2000-01 2005-06
League Cup Winners 7
1980-81 1981-82 1982-83 1983-84 1994-95
2000-01 2002-03
Football Association Charity Shield Winners 15
1964* 1965* 1966 1974 1976
1977* 1979 1980 1982 1986*
1988 1989 1990* 2001 2006
( * shared)
European Cup Winners 5
1976-77 1977-78 1980-81 1983-84 2004-05
UEFA Cup Winners 3
1972-73 1975-76 2000-01
European Super Cup Winners 3
1977 2001 2005
Super Cup Winners 1
1985-86
Carlsberg Trophy 3
1997-98 1998-99 1999-2000
Post by: Feliziano on December 28, 2008, 08:57:30 PM
Steven Gerrard bagged a brace as Liverpool laid down the Premier League title gauntlet with a ruthless 5-1 demolition of Newcastle on Sunday.
Rafael Benitez's pacesetters pulled four points clear of second-placed Chelsea, who play Fulham at Craven Cottage, but they could have won by an even more convincing scoreline had Shay Given not pulled off a string of world-class saves in the first half.
The Magpies goalkeeper denied Dirk Kuyt and both Gerrard and Lucas Leiva on two occasions with stunning stops, while Charles N'Zogbia made a goalline clearance as the Reds ran the hosts ragged early doors.
But Given could do nothing to stop Gerrard's clinical opener on 31, when the England star sidefooted in off the inside of the upright after a clever cut-back from the right touchline by Yossi Benayoun.
It was 2-0 five minutes later as Sami Hyypia steered a towering header from a Gerrard corner into the net - but the beleaguered hosts were given a lifeline on the stroke of half-time when David Edgar glanced home from a corner.
Michael Owen had earlier had a goal ruled out for Damien Duff being offside before crossing to him - but he didn't get a sniff after the break and the Reds went two clear again on 50 minutes, when six Newcastle players watched a still ball in their six-yard box, allowing Ryan Babel to poke home from close range.
Joe Kinnear sent Geremi on from the bench and he hit the crossbar with a free-kick on 58, but Gerrard made it a four-star display on 66 when he latched onto Lucas' defence-splitting pass and dinked the ball over Given.
Steven Taylor was lucky not to see red for a frustrated rugby tackle on Pepe Reina 15 minutes from time, but Reds sub Xabi Alonso ensured there were high fives all round for the visitors on 76 after converting a penalty awarded by referee Mark Halsey after Edgar had fouled David Ngog in the box.
Danny Guthrie's late free-kick was tipped over the bar by Reina - but there was little to celebrate for Newcastle fans on the day unpopular owner Mike Ashley confirmed he no longer plans to sell the club.
Post by: Bakes on December 28, 2008, 09:09:49 PM
What's a brace though? ???
... kidding.
Post by: Feliziano on December 28, 2008, 09:16:27 PM
Ha ha... good one.well ah was going and answer yuh but ah decide tuh change meh mind :D
What's a brace though? ???
... kidding.
Post by: Observer on December 28, 2008, 09:39:25 PM
Seriously, they looked well balanced and goals coming from a variety of players (always a good thing for a team). It would be nice to see them win the league
Post by: Bakes on December 28, 2008, 10:01:12 PM
well ah was going and answer yuh but ah decide tuh change meh mind :D
Yuh know man have tuh pay homage tuh Tallman :rotfl:
Post by: Tenorsaw on December 28, 2008, 11:06:06 PM
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on December 29, 2008, 12:56:26 AM
Post by: Bakes on December 29, 2008, 01:01:05 AM
I'd rather walk alone
Then why yuh in here looking fuh company?
Post by: rotatopoti3 on December 29, 2008, 02:19:18 AM
Then why yuh in here looking fuh company? :rotfl:
Indeed...we dont need any Manure(cannot come close to the Anfield atmosphere...keep yuh gate receipts)..on this thread...its Pure POOL.... :beermug:
What a Legendary Club...d amount of accolades that this club has received is UNBELIVABLE...and the fans-ABSOLUTELY PRICELESS...
Post by: Gladman on December 29, 2008, 07:19:21 AM
"You'll Never Walk Alone" - de Official Liverpool thread
We leading going into the New Year, so I guess now is a good time to start a thread where allyuh other people/things could come and pay homage to us :devil:
The Liverpool FC Trophy Cabinet
League Champions 18
1900-01 1905-06 1921-22 1922-23 1946-47
1963-64 1965-66 1972-73 1975-76 1976-77
1978-79 1979-80 1981-82 1982-83 1983-84
1985-86 1987-88 1989-90
2008-09 should be official sometime in April ;)
Division Two Winners 4
1893-94 1895-96 1904-05 1961-62
Football Association Challenge Cup Winners 7
1964-65 1973-74 1985-86 1988-89 1991-92
2000-01 2005-06
League Cup Winners 7
1980-81 1981-82 1982-83 1983-84 1994-95
2000-01 2002-03
Football Association Charity Shield Winners 15
1964* 1965* 1966 1974 1976
1977* 1979 1980 1982 1986*
1988 1989 1990* 2001 2006
( * shared)
European Cup Winners 5
1976-77 1977-78 1980-81 1983-84 2004-05
UEFA Cup Winners 3
1972-73 1975-76 2000-01
European Super Cup Winners 3
1977 2001 2005
Super Cup Winners 1
1985-86
Carlsberg Trophy 3
1997-98 1998-99 1999-2000
I've seen bigger trophy cabinets ,the season is still early ya'll could still end up trophy less.
Post by: dinho on December 29, 2008, 07:56:11 AM
Liverpool's title challenge will crumble because of:
1. Pressure
2. Lack of depth (N'gog, El Zhar?)
3. Rafa is a goat (eg. didnt have the balls to go for the win despite Arsenal being a man short)
And this is what will happen in this thread when it does crumble.
Expect to be inundated with lectures about Liverpool's history and titles won once upon a time long before many of us were born.
Post by: Tenorsaw on December 29, 2008, 08:18:03 AM
:puking:
Liverpool's title challenge will crumble because of:
1. Pressure
2. Lack of depth (N'gog, El Zhar?)
3. Rafa is a goat (eg. didnt have the balls to go for the win despite Arsenal being a man short)
And this is what will happen in this thread when it does crumble.
Expect to be inundated with lectures about Liverpool's history and titles won once upon a time long before many of us were born.
So we decide to buss some good young talent and it's a no. El Zhar, and Insua have been around the first team for some time, and they deserve their chance. N'gog is a good talent who is doing well. Benitez doesn't just give young players chances, unless they're good enough. when he bought N'gog, he said that the player was good enough to go straight into the first team squad and skip the reserves.
Post by: dinho on December 29, 2008, 08:25:20 AM
:puking:
Liverpool's title challenge will crumble because of:
1. Pressure
2. Lack of depth (N'gog, El Zhar?)
3. Rafa is a goat (eg. didnt have the balls to go for the win despite Arsenal being a man short)
And this is what will happen in this thread when it does crumble.
Expect to be inundated with lectures about Liverpool's history and titles won once upon a time long before many of us were born.
So we decide to buss some good young talent and it's a no. El Zhar, and Insua have been around the first team for some time, and they deserve their chance. N'gog is a good talent who is doing well. Benitez doesn't just give young players chances, unless they're good enough. when he bought N'gog, he said that the player was good enough to go straight into the first team squad and skip the reserves.
buss that young talent against Wigan and West Brom.
When yuh playing a direct title rival and yuh have them there for the killing, yuh must bring out yuh big guns.
I tired tell men, Rafa does turn bitch in big games and play frighten. That go hurt them in the long run.
Post by: Observer on December 29, 2008, 08:58:27 AM
:puking:
Liverpool's title challenge will crumble because of:
1. Pressure
2. Lack of depth (N'gog, El Zhar?)
3. Rafa is a goat (eg. didnt have the balls to go for the win despite Arsenal being a man short)
And this is what will happen in this thread when it does crumble.
Expect to be inundated with lectures about Liverpool's history and titles won once upon a time long before many of us were born.
that could be said for most clubs. Pool have won 17 trophies since 1990. I am sure most of us on the site born before 1990
Post by: sammy on December 29, 2008, 09:57:06 AM
doh take it too hard...... look arsenal have a nice loser thread going :devil:
season only half way through and u lead not big considering we have 3 games in hand. :devil:
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on December 29, 2008, 11:54:09 AM
Expect to be inundated with lectures about Liverpool's history and titles won once upon a time long before many of us were born.
for the first time in a while I had to agree with Small Mag, I really rather walk alone, because that side is shit
and before all yuh pull this one out all yuh ass, yes Milan hand all yuh the CL title in 05
Post by: kaliman2006 on December 29, 2008, 12:01:37 PM
Post by: Tenorsaw on December 29, 2008, 12:03:36 PM
The Kop shall rise again like a phoenix out of the ashes!Amen!
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on December 29, 2008, 12:07:48 PM
Post by: Bitter on December 29, 2008, 02:40:25 PM
yes Milan hand all yuh the CL title in 05
And a slip by John Terry hand Man U the title this year, whas yuh point? Just enjoy the football.
Post by: Filho on December 29, 2008, 03:04:27 PM
Bout damn time we clear we start we own thread on this forum. ;D Looking good for the new year. No Torres and we three points clear. Who would have thought.
Funny how that works. Torres could be the best player on the team, yet the team may be better off without him. Not saying that is the case, but it sometimes happens. Always enjoy the EPL, but this year is shaping up better than usual for me. I think both Aston Villa and Everton will give Arsenal a run for the 4th CL spot, and it will be a 3 horse race between Liverpool, Chelsea and ManU...down to the wire.
From a neutral's perspective, it would be good to have Liverpool win it. Deep down, I hoping Villa and Everton just catch a fire and shake things up. I feel Villa have the legs, not so sure about Everton.
Post by: Tenorsaw on December 29, 2008, 06:56:45 PM
Bout damn time we clear we start we own thread on this forum. ;D Looking good for the new year. No Torres and we three points clear. Who would have thought.
Funny how that works. Torres could be the best player on the team, yet the team may be better off without him. Not saying that is the case, but it sometimes happens. Always enjoy the EPL, but this year is shaping up better than usual for me. I think both Aston Villa and Everton will give Arsenal a run for the 4th CL spot, and it will be a 3 horse race between Liverpool, Chelsea and ManU...down to the wire.
From a neutral's perspective, it would be good to have Liverpool win it. Deep down, I hoping Villa and Everton just catch a fire and shake things up. I feel Villa have the legs, not so sure about Everton.
Imagine how Everton would have been, had they not started the season worrying about Moyes' new contract, instead of playing ball. They are marching up the table.
Post by: giggsy11 on December 29, 2008, 07:17:47 PM
Post by: Feliziano on December 29, 2008, 08:38:27 PM
Tenorsaw and Felizano only pressing refresh hoping somebody say something untoward about Liverpool so they could reply and bump this shit thread.LOL..like yuh spying on meh when ah in front meh PC? ;D
and Sammy..allyuh just frighten to start allyuh own Manure thread :devil:
but seriuosly yuh ent think is a good idea not to have all de Man U things in 1 place rather than creating a whole new thread just to say allyuh playing Rushden & Diamonds next or that Ronaldo have a hangnail or Rooney get ah pimple on he face? :idea:
ease we up on de clutter nah :beermug:
Post by: Feliziano on December 29, 2008, 08:52:10 PM
YOU'LL NEVER WALK ALONE
When you walk through a storm
Hold your head up high
And don't be afraid of the dark
At the end of the storm
There's a golden sky
And the sweet silver
Song of a lark.
Walk on through the wind
Walk on through the rain
Though your dreams
Be tossed and blown
Walk on
Walk on
With hope in your hearts
And you'll never walk alone
You'll never walk alone.
Walk on
Walk on
http://www.youtube.com/v/qQ9eTeGAnUs&feature=related
Post by: sammy on December 29, 2008, 09:11:13 PM
Utd to big for one threadTenorsaw and Felizano only pressing refresh hoping somebody say something untoward about Liverpool so they could reply and bump this shit thread.LOL..like yuh spying on meh when ah in front meh PC? ;D
and Sammy..allyuh just frighten to start allyuh own Manure thread :devil:
but seriuosly yuh ent think is a good idea not to have all de Man U things in 1 place rather than creating a whole new thread just to say allyuh playing Rushden & Diamonds next or that Ronaldo have a hangnail or Rooney get ah pimple on he face? :idea:
ease we up on de clutter nah :beermug:
Post by: Feliziano on December 29, 2008, 09:18:33 PM
Ah guess dat could be kinda true..especially if yuh take Rooney big head into consideration too :DUtd to big for one threadTenorsaw and Felizano only pressing refresh hoping somebody say something untoward about Liverpool so they could reply and bump this shit thread.LOL..like yuh spying on meh when ah in front meh PC? ;D
and Sammy..allyuh just frighten to start allyuh own Manure thread :devil:
but seriuosly yuh ent think is a good idea not to have all de Man U things in 1 place rather than creating a whole new thread just to say allyuh playing Rushden & Diamonds next or that Ronaldo have a hangnail or Rooney get ah pimple on he face? :idea:
ease we up on de clutter nah :beermug:
Post by: Feliziano on December 29, 2008, 09:34:43 PM
Steven Gerrard charged over bar fracas
The Liverpool and England midfielder Steven Gerrard was last night charged with assault occasioning actual bodily harm and affray following an incident at a Southport bar which left a man needing hospital treatment for facial injuries.
Gerrard, one of six men arrested following the incident, was charged with two other men after being held by police for nearly 24 hours following his arrest at the Lounge Inn, a venue in a quiet part of the Merseyside town.
He was released in the early hours of this morning.
Who tell that DJ not to play Stevie G special song request? :devil:
maybe that is a prerequisite to be England captain..yuh have to do something dotish in or around a bar ::)
Post by: Bakes on December 30, 2008, 12:47:13 AM
Ok allyuh..time to sing along :salute:
YOU'LL NEVER WALK ALONE
When you walk through a storm
Hold your head up high
And don't be afraid of the dark
At the end of the storm
There's a golden sky
And the sweet silver
Song of a lark.
Walk on through the wind
Walk on through the rain
Though your dreams
Be tossed and blown
Walk on
Walk on
With hope in your hearts
And you'll never walk alone
You'll never walk alone.
Walk on
Walk on
http://www.youtube.com/v/qQ9eTeGAnUs&feature=related
Boss post!
:notworthy: :notworthy:
Big up Momo, Bellamy and Riise... three of my favorite former Reds.
Post by: JDB on December 30, 2008, 08:38:16 AM
Observer pleas name these 17 trophies won since 1990. Or did I read you wrong?
that could be said for most clubs. Pool have won 17 trophies since 1990. I am sure most of us on the site born before 1990
Post by: giggsy11 on December 30, 2008, 09:24:50 AM
Utd to big for one threadTenorsaw and Felizano only pressing refresh hoping somebody say something untoward about Liverpool so they could reply and bump this shit thread.LOL..like yuh spying on meh when ah in front meh PC? ;D
and Sammy..allyuh just frighten to start allyuh own Manure thread :devil:
but seriuosly yuh ent think is a good idea not to have all de Man U things in 1 place rather than creating a whole new thread just to say allyuh playing Rushden & Diamonds next or that Ronaldo have a hangnail or Rooney get ah pimple on he face? :idea:
ease we up on de clutter nah :beermug:
Tell dem Sammy! Is not like dey charging we! :devil: Dey need tuh have one thread for dat shit side Sunderland!
Post by: Cantona007 on December 30, 2008, 09:25:57 AM
Ok allyuh..time to sing along :salute:
YOU'LL NEVER WALK ALONE
When you walk through a storm
Hold your head up high
And don't be afraid of the dark
At the end of the storm
There's a golden sky
And the sweet silver
Song of a lark.
Walk on through the wind
Walk on through the rain
Though your dreams
Be tossed and blown
Walk on
Walk on
With hope in your hearts
And you'll never walk alone
You'll never walk alone.
Walk on
Walk on
http://www.youtube.com/v/qQ9eTeGAnUs&feature=related
The official song of Glasgow Celtic (as well) :devil:
Post by: Bakes on December 30, 2008, 12:48:41 PM
Observer pleas name these 17 trophies won since 1990. Or did I read you wrong?
Nah, you read him right.
The official song of Glasgow Celtic (as well) :devil:
lol.. allyuh like shit eh... well it was first recorded by a pair of Liverpool artists and soon thereafter was adopted by the home crowd.
Post by: boss on December 31, 2008, 06:25:11 AM
lol.. allyuh like shit eh... well it was first recorded by a pair of Liverpool artists and soon thereafter was adopted by the home crowd.
Just to be clear, You'll Never Walk Alone was written by Rodgers and Hammerstein for the musical, Carousel. Rodgers and Hammerstein are American. In the 60s when the Beatles and the Merseybeat scene was popular, the Kop adopted the Gerry and the Pacemakers (Liverpudlians) version of YNWA as its own. After the Hillsborough disaster in 1989, the recorded version of the song was played at Anfield before every match, before or during the teams' entrance. From this season, it is played while the teams are already on the field, just before kickoff. :beermug:
Post by: giggsy11 on January 02, 2009, 09:31:18 PM
Post by: capodetutticapi on January 02, 2009, 09:33:58 PM
Maybe if Gerrard was walkin alone he wouldn't have spent the night in jail!:devil: :beermug:
Post by: Cantona007 on January 02, 2009, 10:08:26 PM
Maybe if Gerrard was walkin alone he wouldn't have spent the night in jail!
Can't take the Scouse out of the Scouser... I hope they checked him for stolen hubcaps :devil:
Post by: rotatopoti3 on January 03, 2009, 08:15:23 AM
Post by: Feliziano on January 03, 2009, 09:09:51 AM
3rd Round
Preston NE vs Liverpool
Steven Gerrard will play in the match despite having been charged with assault and affray after an alleged incident at a nightclub earlier this week.
With an appearance at North Sefton Magistrates' Court set for the end of the month, Benitez could have kept the England star out of the spotlight this weekend.
But Gerrard will play in the tie, with Fernando Torres, Martin Skrtel, Fabio Aurelio and Alvaro Arbeloa all returning from long-term injuries.
Benitez was once accused of under-valuing the FA Cup when he sent out a weakened side that was beaten at Burnley three years ago.
Now Benitez insists that he has squad depth that will enable him to rest some players in a competition he admits he would like to do well in.
He says: "It is a great competition, and there are always shocks when smaller sides produce performances better than expected.
"You can watch teams on DVD and they play at 100%, and then when they perform in the match it is 150% effort. And facing Liverpool always sees teams highly motivated.
"We are expecting a very tough game against a team who are doing very well in the Championship. And we could also be facing one of our former players, Neil Mellor.
"He is a fine young player who will always score lots of goals. He scored fantastic goals for us against Arsenal and Olympiacos a few years back, and we know his quality.
"I hope he continues to score lots of goals in his league matches, but I hope none now in the FA Cup."
Post by: g on January 03, 2009, 01:00:27 PM
Good game
Post by: Observer on January 03, 2009, 01:03:20 PM
Observer pleas name these 17 trophies won since 1990. Or did I read you wrong?
that could be said for most clubs. Pool have won 17 trophies since 1990. I am sure most of us on the site born before 1990
Boss I only counting from the records indicated on the thread.
PS: Rafa returns and once again Pool playing like they have their hand breaks on.
Post by: Bakes on January 03, 2009, 01:17:43 PM
Observer pleas name these 17 trophies won since 1990. Or did I read you wrong?
that could be said for most clubs. Pool have won 17 trophies since 1990. I am sure most of us on the site born before 1990
Boss I only counting from the records indicated on the thread.
PS: Rafa returns and once again Pool playing like they have their hand breaks on.
I personally count 15 since 1990, so no worries.
Great unselfishness by Gerrard to set the table for Torres... 2-0 in the 92'
Game over.
Post by: elan on January 03, 2009, 07:10:16 PM
Post by: Daft Trini on January 03, 2009, 07:11:16 PM
Observer pleas name these 17 trophies won since 1990. Or did I read you wrong?
that could be said for most clubs. Pool have won 17 trophies since 1990. I am sure most of us on the site born before 1990
Boss I only counting from the records indicated on the thread.
PS: Rafa returns and once again Pool playing like they have their hand breaks on.
I personally count 15 since 1990, so no worries.
Great unselfishness by Gerrard to set the table for Torres... 2-0 in the 92'
Game over.
You could add the world club championship to that....
Plus 37 titles since its formation.... hard for me to say but they are the team of the Brit Isles
Post by: Bakes on January 03, 2009, 09:13:26 PM
You could add the world club championship to that....
Plus 37 titles since its formation.... hard for me to say but they are the team of the Brit Isles
Ah wish... but nah we were runners up in 2005, never won it.
Football League First Division / Premier League (English football champions) (level 1)
Winners: 1989–90
FA Cup
Winners: 1992, 2001, 2006
League Cup
Winners : 1995, 2001, 2003
FA Charity Shield / FA Community Shield
Winners: 1990 (shared), 2001, 2006
International, European Cup and UEFA Champions League
Winners: 2005
UEFA Cup
Winners: 2001
UEFA Super Cup
Winners: 2001, 2005
Post by: Feliziano on January 04, 2009, 10:59:36 AM
European Cup Winners 5
1976-77 1977-78 1980-81 1983-84 2004-05
UEFA Cup Winners 3
1972-73 1975-76 2000-01
European Super Cup Winners 3
1977 2001 2005
Super Cup Winners 1
1985-86
plus imagine how much more we coulda won if we didnt get banned in de 80's-90's ;)
Post by: Feliziano on January 04, 2009, 11:03:33 AM
Fernando Torres scored on his comeback as Liverpool booked their place in the FA Cup fourth round after a 2-0 win over Preston at Deepdale.
Reds captain Steven Gerrard produced an inspired display which ended with him creating the injury-time clincher for substitute Torres.
At the end Gerrard swapped shirts with Preston skipper Paul McKenna and pointedly marched towards the bank of Liverpool fans behind the goal, held his arms aloft and blew kisses to his followers.
Albert Riera had given Liverpool a first-half lead with his fourth of the season, but the Anfield men wasted a hatful of chances which gave Preston the belief that they could salvage something from the match.
That they did not had much to do with a class display from Gerrard.
Liverpool made four changes from the side which won so well at Newcastle last weekend.
With Steven Gerrard already confirmed in the side after his traumatic week, boss Rafael Benitez also recalled Robbie Keane, Albert Riera and Xabi Alonso to the starting line-up, with Diego Cavalieri taking over in goal.
Yossi Benayoun, Lucas, Dirk Kuyt and Jose Reina were all rested, while Preston brought in former Liverpool striker Neil Mellor, Jon Parkin and Chris Sedgwick from the side which drew at Barnsley last weekend.
Gerrard predictably found himself being booed by the home support whenever in possession, but Liverpool's 5,000 plus fans were treating him like a hero.
Preston's spirited start to the tie soon distracted their fans from what soon became mild barracking.
The home side's midfield of McKenna and Richard Chaplow were quick to harass Liverpool and force errors, and a 20-yard free-kick from Ross Wallace forced Cavalieri into a plunging save to his right.
Liverpool responded with as twisting run from Riera and a lay-off that Keane could not direct goalwards as he arrived in the six-yard box, the first of a succession of squandered opportunities for the Irishman.
Chaplow and Mellor both went close before Liverpool were ahead after 24 minutes.
Riera picked up a fortunate deflection on the right of the box, and although there was a clear opportunity to drill the ball into the danger area, the Spaniard opted to cut inside and crack the ball into the top corner with his left foot.
Gerrard, who was finding acres of space to operate in just behind Keane, had two long-range efforts which flew close.
Liverpool were slowly taking command, and Chaplow was booked for a late tackle on Alonso, who equally was constantly drifting into dangerous areas.
And Liverpool had a string of chances near the break to settle the issue. Keane should have made it two when he squirmed clear in the area, but Andy Lonergan saved bravely at his feet.
Then Keane produced an even worse effort, arriving in the box to meet a Gerrard cross, only to send his shot hopelessly wide.
Gerrard was in fine form by now and another glittering chance was created by the Liverpool skipper, but it was squandered by first Keane, who opted not to shoot. Instead he pushed the ball to Babel, who was equally wasteful.
Liverpool sent on Lucas for a limping Alonso at the break, and within minutes Daniel Agger had headed narrowly wide from a corner.
The sight of Torres warming up on the touchline had the Liverpool support bursting into song, a sight that would also have concentrated Keane's mind.
But without the cushion of a second goal, there was plenty of anxiety creeping into Liverpool's play and Preston were clearly encouraged.
Preston lost Callum Davidson with what looked to be an ankle injury after 56 minutes, Eddie Nolan coming on. Gerrard's free-kick gave Javier Mascherano the chance for a 25-yarder that flew just over.
Babel's touch gave Gerrard the opportunity for a dipping drive that Lonergan superbly turned over the crossbar at full stretch. Mellor, to a rousing ovation from both sets of fans, went off after 62 minutes to be replaced by Stephen Elliott.
Preston had an effort disallowed after 64 minutes when Sean St Ledger netted, only for Jon Parkin to be penalised for holding down Jamie Carragher.
Preston should have been out of the game by now, such had been Liverpool's string of missed chances but they were heartened by Liverpool's failures, so much so that Benitez appeared on the touchline.
And Torres soon appeared, after 73 minutes, to replace Keane.
Liverpool conceded a string of free-kicks, and there were a couple of loud shouts for penalties as the pressure from the home side heightened.
Gerrard saw a fierce shot on the turn blocked by St Ledger, before Preston sent on Barry Nicholson for Chaplow after 81 minutes.
Liverpool then pushed Gerrard back into central midfield, took off Mascherano and sent on Fabio Aurelio on the left, with Babel moved forward.
But in injury time Gerrard broke away to set up Torres for a simple tap-in to clinch the game.
Post by: Feliziano on January 04, 2009, 11:21:50 AM
Who would allyuh like to see shipped in and who shipped out?
I think we need a Plan C for when Torres (Plan A) injured and Stevie G (Plan B) not feeling up to it.
Right now we have nobody who could run at defenders and then deliver a good final ball.
The closest we have to that right now is Benayoun, Babel is way too inconsistent.
So we actually need a playmaker too lol.
We don't look too good offensively when we have both Masch and Lucas playing together cause neither can pass the ball like Xabi. Therefore a player like Micheal Johnson from Man City will be a good addition if available.
With the right wing, sell Pennant for sure. A player I like is the Polish right winger Kuba from Borussia Dortmund.
I also say we should cut our losses with Dossena and sell him this month.
Post by: Feliziano on January 07, 2009, 09:34:43 PM
Rafael Benitez has warned Liverpool must contain their anticipation over the Merseyside derby FA Cup tie with arch rivals Everton.
Liverpool and Everton will clash twice in a week, in the Premier League on January 19 and then in the fourth round of the cup the following weekend.
With both games at Anfield, Benitez knows a crucial stage beckons in Liverpool's quest for both the league title and cup.
He told the club's official website: "It is a draw which will excite everyone in the city, because everyone knows about the great rivalry that exists between the two clubs.
"But we must remember that we have some big games coming up in the league before the cup tie - and we will be taking one game at a time.
"Only when the cup game comes around will it become our focus. Before then we play Stoke and Everton in the league, so we must keep our attention on those matches.
"But it is good to have so many important matches, because it shows that your team is doing well."
Reds defender Jamie Carragher sees the return of forward Fernando Torres, who scored on his comeback from injury on Saturday in the third-round win at Preston, as vital to Liverpool's aspirations this season.
Torres had not played since November because of a hamstring problem, but his late goal completed a 2-0 win at Deepdale.
Carragher said: "Having Torres back has given everyone a big lift. It is great when you see a player of that calibre coming back for the second half of the season.
"We hope the time he has been out will refresh him, because he had a long season with the Euro 2008 finals last summer.
"A lot of players have played a lot of games this season, because the manager hasn't changed it around so much.
"It has been a feather in the cap for everyone concerned with the club that we have reached the top of the table without having the best striker in the world in the side.
"You miss a player of that quality, but it will give us a lift to have him out there."
Post by: Tenorsaw on January 07, 2009, 09:45:45 PM
Alright time for some transfer talk
Who would allyuh like to see shipped in and who shipped out?
I think we need a Plan C for when Torres (Plan A) injured and Stevie G (Plan B) not feeling up to it.
Right now we have nobody who could run at defenders and then deliver a good final ball.
The closest we have to that right now is Benayoun, Babel is way too inconsistent.
So we actually need a playmaker too lol.
We don't look too good offensively when we have both Masch and Lucas playing together cause neither can pass the ball like Xabi. Therefore a player like Micheal Johnson from Man City will be a good addition if available.
With the right wing, sell Pennant for sure. A player I like is the Polish right winger Kuba from Borussia Dortmund.
I also say we should cut our losses with Dossena and sell him this month.
Rafa likes to play with two holding midfielders, so that Gerrard has more opportunity to roam behind the lone striker. Seems to be working quite well.
Post by: Bakes on January 08, 2009, 12:15:57 AM
Alright time for some transfer talk
Who would allyuh like to see shipped in and who shipped out?
I think we need a Plan C for when Torres (Plan A) injured and Stevie G (Plan B) not feeling up to it.
Right now we have nobody who could run at defenders and then deliver a good final ball.
The closest we have to that right now is Benayoun, Babel is way too inconsistent.
So we actually need a playmaker too lol.
We don't look too good offensively when we have both Masch and Lucas playing together cause neither can pass the ball like Xabi. Therefore a player like Micheal Johnson from Man City will be a good addition if available.
With the right wing, sell Pennant for sure. A player I like is the Polish right winger Kuba from Borussia Dortmund.
I also say we should cut our losses with Dossena and sell him this month.
Other than youth... I really don't see him bringing us anything that we don't already have in Voronin, why dat man couldn't get more run under Rafa is beyond me. And Voronin's only 29, so is not like he's some graybeard.
Post by: LondonTrini LFC on January 08, 2009, 04:12:41 PM
it seems like we cyah get de credit we deserve at all...
ah like de post about de fac' dat Rafa (who is ah BOSS! and will win his firs' Prem title in less time than it take a certain wine drinking Scotsman to win his) play young charges in dis campaign... if Momo eye injury didn't happen it was worries for all ah dem squad an dem too.
Fac's is fac's
Lucas is Brazil's U21 Captain...
Maradona pick Mascherano to be he Captain...
Torres on everybody wishlis'
Gerrard is de mos' dynamic and complete midfielder bar none... yes, bar NONE. (and as for Milan givin we dat title in '05, ah t'ink we well return de compliment in '07 yeah?)
Pepe Reina, makin saves dat have Iker sendin him tex messages every time he play,
Carra + Agger=passion & brains (even Milan want de Dane)
Carra + Sami=passion & experience (offers from all over de world to break dat partnership up)
Arbeloa keep Ronaldinho quiet 2 seasons runnin in Spain
Aurelio (when fit) is lethal for a Brazilian defender in the mould of de overlappin wing back.
Keane (is irelands leading scorer of all time and) only needs time to deal wid de heat.
if Pennant was a Trini he was walking straight into we Nati squad...
Babel and Kuyt is Holland strike force...
El-Zhar and Yossi is de beacons of de peace process dat Israel and de Palestinians could learn from
N'gog scorin goals...
Now, even if we doh win de league, trus' me, we have NO NEED to spen' money... and even if we did Sunderland eh go part wid Kenwyne
De only ting we missin':
is Bastien Schweinstiger or Philip Lahm jus to have a German in de mix...
Oh and before ah forget
Dossena is Not For Sale...
many thanks fellas...
Come on you Reds
Rafa is a Genius
You'll Never Walk Alone
Post by: Bakes on January 08, 2009, 04:20:47 PM
Post by: LondonTrini LFC on January 08, 2009, 04:29:52 PM
Alright time for some transfer talk
Who would allyuh like to see shipped in and who shipped out?
I think we need a Plan C for when Torres (Plan A) injured and Stevie G (Plan B) not feeling up to it.
Right now we have nobody who could run at defenders and then deliver a good final ball.
The closest we have to that right now is Benayoun, Babel is way too inconsistent.
So we actually need a playmaker too lol.
We don't look too good offensively when we have both Masch and Lucas playing together cause neither can pass the ball like Xabi. Therefore a player like Micheal Johnson from Man City will be a good addition if available.
With the right wing, sell Pennant for sure. A player I like is the Polish right winger Kuba from Borussia Dortmund.
I also say we should cut our losses with Dossena and sell him this month.
yuh know we coulda get Robinho for £12.5 million 2 years ago direc from Real right?
and Ronaldo (not bucky, de diver) for £7M according to Carra book right?
Dossena is not for sale!
I would use de money from de sale of Pennant (what a goal against Chelsea! so sad Wenger was right, useful, but undriven with issues associated to grasping greatness, Latas would sort dat out though) to get de REAL italian Rafa wanted, BONERA... dat fella and Agger is 20 years... nobody eh troubling Pepe...
Go on!
Post by: Bakes on January 08, 2009, 04:31:38 PM
yuh know we coulda get Robinho for £12.5 million 2 years ago direc from Real right?
and Ronaldo (not bucky, de diver) for £7M according to Carra book right?
Dossena is not for sale!
I would use de money from de sale of Pennant (what a goal against Chelsea! so sad Wenger was right, useful, but undriven with issues associated to grasping greatness, Latas would sort dat out though) to get de REAL italian Rafa wanted, BONERA... dat fella and Agger is 20 years... nobody eh troubling Pepe...
Go on!
Pennant family Trini... I thought he was Jakan?
Post by: LondonTrini LFC on January 08, 2009, 04:37:26 PM
yuh know we coulda get Robinho for £12.5 million 2 years ago direc from Real right?
and Ronaldo (not bucky, de diver) for £7M according to Carra book right?
Dossena is not for sale!
I would use de money from de sale of Pennant (what a goal against Chelsea! so sad Wenger was right, useful, but undriven with issues associated to grasping greatness, Latas would sort dat out though) to get de REAL italian Rafa wanted, BONERA... dat fella and Agger is 20 years... nobody eh troubling Pepe...
Go on!
Pennant family Trini... I thought he was Jakan?
"IF" he was a Trini, bakes... "IF"...
...Latas would have sorted dat out... he wasn' wastin' dat time like dat... remember what deco say who he learn from???
...hmmm
Post by: LondonTrini LFC on January 08, 2009, 04:54:05 PM
Alright time for some transfer talk
Who would allyuh like to see shipped in and who shipped out?
I think we need a Plan C for when Torres (Plan A) injured and Stevie G (Plan B) not feeling up to it.
Right now we have nobody who could run at defenders and then deliver a good final ball.
The closest we have to that right now is Benayoun, Babel is way too inconsistent.
So we actually need a playmaker too lol.
We don't look too good offensively when we have both Masch and Lucas playing together cause neither can pass the ball like Xabi. Therefore a player like Micheal Johnson from Man City will be a good addition if available.
With the right wing, sell Pennant for sure. A player I like is the Polish right winger Kuba from Borussia Dortmund.
I also say we should cut our losses with Dossena and sell him this month.
Other than youth... I really don't see him bringing us anything that we don't already have in Voronin, why dat man couldn't get more run under Rafa is beyond me. And Voronin's only 29, so is not like he's some graybeard.
he get break up wid dat injury...
he is Shevchenko strike pardner for de Ukraine...
de Bundesliga is a good place to make money to take care of the kids...
ah eh blame him... sad though
Post by: dinho on January 08, 2009, 05:02:39 PM
Gerrard is de mos' dynamic and complete midfielder bar none... yes, bar NONE. (and as for Milan givin we dat title in '05, ah t'ink we well return de compliment in '07 yeah?)
Maybe the most complete midfielder in the EPL , where people appreciate his aimless running up and down like ah headless chicken.. But on a global scale no! And even in the EPL i can make an argument for Lampard.
Pepe Reina, makin saves dat have Iker sendin him tex messages every time he play,
The only text he getting from Iker is of the flavor... "pepe, yuh lucky bitch. I does be taking more bullet in ah game than you does take in ah season".
Carra + Sami=passion & experience (offers from all over de world to break dat partnership up)
that old man partnership done break up long time. Like yuh forget the 50 yard grasscutter pass Kaka put through to Crespo in the CL final that make Carra split he scrotum? I eh think Hyppia say nutten after that season.
Aurelio (when fit) is lethal for a Brazilian defender in the mould of de overlappin wing back.
when that go be?
Babel and Kuyt is Holland strike force...
... putting Van Nistelrooy, Van Persie, Huntelaar and Robben on the bench i guess ???
El-Zhar and Yossi is de beacons of de peace process dat Israel and de Palestinians could learn from
agree with this given they doh sweat so never part of de battle.
N'gog scorin goals...
where??
De only ting we missin':
is Bastien Schweinstiger or Philip Lahm jus to have a German in de mix...
them is big players, they want to play for big teams (not liverpool). They might look good in chelsea colors though.
Just goes to show... from british, to american, to trini the world over, delusion seems to be pre-requisite for being a liverpool fan. Nutten for allyuh this season! :devil:
Post by: LondonTrini LFC on January 08, 2009, 05:06:10 PM
welcome to the forum LondonTrini LFC, but............Gerrard is de mos' dynamic and complete midfielder bar none... yes, bar NONE. (and as for Milan givin we dat title in '05, ah t'ink we well return de compliment in '07 yeah?)
Maybe the most complete midfielder in the EPL , where people appreciate his aimless running up and down like ah headless chicken.. But on a global scale no! And even in the EPL i can make an argument for Lampard.Pepe Reina, makin saves dat have Iker sendin him tex messages every time he play,
The only text he getting from Iker is of the flavor... "pepe, yuh lucky bitch. I does be taking more bullet in ah game than you does take in ah season".Carra + Sami=passion & experience (offers from all over de world to break dat partnership up)
that old man partnership done break up long time. Like yuh forget the 50 yard grasscutter pass Kaka put through to Crespo in the CL final that make Carra split he scrotum? I eh think Hyppia say nutten after that season.Aurelio (when fit) is lethal for a Brazilian defender in the mould of de overlappin wing back.
when that go be?Babel and Kuyt is Holland strike force...
... putting Van Nistelrooy, Van Persie, Huntelaar and Robben on the bench i guess ???El-Zhar and Yossi is de beacons of de peace process dat Israel and de Palestinians could learn from
agree with this given they doh sweat so never part of de battle.N'gog scorin goals...
where??De only ting we missin':
is Bastien Schweinstiger or Philip Lahm jus to have a German in de mix...
them is big players, they want to play for big teams (not liverpool). They might look good in chelsea colors though.
Just goes to show... from british, to american, to trini the world over, delusion seems to be pre-requisite for being a liverpool fan. Nutten for allyuh this season! :devil:
you are allowed to say what you wish...
I am new here...
The season ends in May...
only time will tell...
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on January 09, 2009, 09:07:04 AM
Liverpool boss Rafa Benitez has launched an astonishing attack on Sir Alex Ferguson and has accused the Manchester United manager of attempting to start 'early' mind games in the Premier League title race.
Benitez takes his table-topping side to Stoke on Saturday looking to reinforce their position at the summit, but he has been angered by comments from Ferguson.
The Reds could move 10 points clear of third-placed United, who would enjoy the luxury of three games in hand, with victory at the Britannia Stadium but Ferguson has suggested that the Liverpool could choke under the pressure.
Ferguson's observation has caused an outburst from Benitez and the Spaniard has launched criticism of the Old Trafford boss, claiming he is the only manager to avoid punishment in the current Respect campaign.
Tricks
Benitez said: "We had a meeting in Manchester with managers and the Football Association about the respect campaign.
"And I was very clear, forget the campaign because Mr Ferguson was killing the referees, killing Mr (Martin) Atkinson, killing Mr (Keith) Hackett."
Benitez also feels that Ferguson's suggestion that Liverpool can not handle the pressure at the top of the table is only an example of the Scot's infamous psychological tricks.
"I was surprised but I have to talk about facts," added Benitez. "I think that is important. I think they (United) are nervous because we are at the top of the table.
"I want to be clear. I don't want to play mind games too early and I think that they want to start."
More to follow...
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_4770324,00.html
Well if he was not weak before.....
what a c**t...took the bait and now Liverpool's season is gonna dip rapidly
twas fun scousers..
Post by: LondonTrini LFC on January 09, 2009, 09:22:19 AM
Two words: Tevez Affair
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on January 09, 2009, 09:46:58 AM
"I was surprised but I have to talk about facts," added Benitez. "I think that is important. I think they (United) are nervous because we are at the top of the table.
Two words: Tevez Affair
Five Words: Tevez Affair with your Mother
Post by: rotatopoti3 on January 09, 2009, 10:06:06 AM
Liverpool boss Rafa Benitez (left) with Man Utd's Sir Alex Ferguson
Benitez has responded to Ferguson's comments about the title race
Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez has launched a furious attack on Manchester United counterpart Sir Alex Ferguson.
Benitez claims that Ferguson is "the only manager who will not be punished" for verbally attacking referees. AGREED
"We had a Respect campaign meeting and I said forget it, because Mr Ferguson is killing the referees," said Benitez.
Benitez was responding to Ferguson's midweek comment that nerves might ruin Liverpool's title bid, before issuing his tirade against the United boss.
Ferguson, who was given a two-game touchline ban and fined £10,000 in November for remonstrating with referee Mike Dean, had his pre-match news conference before Benitez's and was unable to immediately reply.
Benitez's extraordinary outburst came after a journalist asked Benitez for his response to Ferguson suggesting that Premier League leaders Liverpool might get nervous in the run-in.
All managers need to know is that only Mr Ferguson can talk about the fixtures, can talk about referees and nothing happens AGREED
Liverpool boss Rafa Benitez
"I was surprised by what has been said, but maybe they (Manchester United) are nervous because we are at the top of the table," added Benitez.
The Spaniard then pulled out a sheet of paper and read out a list of accusations about Ferguson's conduct regarding referees, the respect campaign and fixture lists.
"I want to talk about facts," he said. "I want to be clear, I do not want to play mind games too early, although they seem to want to start.
"During the Respect campaign - and this is a fact - Mr Ferguson was charged by the FA for improper conduct after comments made about Martin Atkinson and Keith Hackett.
"He was not punished. He is the only manager in the league that cannot be punished for these things.
"How can you talk about the Respect campaign and yet criticise the referee every single week?
"We know what happens every time we go to Old Trafford and the United staff. They are always going man-to-man with the referees, especially at half-time when they walk close to the referees and they are talking and talking.
"All managers need to know is that only Mr Ferguson can talk about the fixtures, can talk about referees - and nothing happens.
AGREED
For a manager who is clear at the top of the league it seems that pressure has indeed gotten to Benitez
"We need to know that I am talking about facts, not my impression. There are things that everyone can see every single week.
"To complain and to always have an advantage is not fair."
Benitez also heavily criticised Ferguson's complaints over supposed favouritism over fixtures.
"Two years ago we had a lot of early kick-offs away on Saturdays when United were playing on Sundays. And we didn't say anything," said the Reds boss.
"Now he is complaining about everything, that everybody is against United. But the second half of the season will see them playing at home against all the teams at the top of the table, it is a fantastic advantage.
AGREED
"At Christmas, United played on the 29th and the rest of the teams played on the 28th. We were away against Newcastle two days after playing Bolton. They were playing about 40 hours later, but they were not complaining then.
"If he wants to talk about fixtures, and have a level playing field, there are two options if we don't want more problems with fixtures.
"One is the same as in Spain, the draw for the first part of the league is known, everyone knows which weekend. In the second half everyone plays the opposite, so you all know.
"Sky and Setanta have the right to choose their games and it will be the same for everyone. So Mr Ferguson will not be complaining about fixtures and a campaign against United.
"Or there is another option. That Mr Ferguson organises the fixtures in his office and sends it to us and everyone will know and cannot complain. That is simple."
Meanwhile, Benitez has also revealed his disappointment that negotiations over a new contract are progressing slowly.
"My agent has not yet received any documents, and he is a little disappointed," said the former Valencia boss.
"But OK, we will see what happens. I do not want to say too much at the moment."
Post by: LondonTrini LFC on January 09, 2009, 10:37:04 AM
"I was surprised but I have to talk about facts," added Benitez. "I think that is important. I think they (United) are nervous because we are at the top of the table.
Two words: Tevez Affair
Five Words: Tevez Affair with your Mother
(keyboard killer... XD if yuh was in City Gate and say dat to meh face yuh was gettin' ah hard slap)
Stick to de football small man...
Mr Ferguson should organise de fixtures in his office and send it to everybody... allyuh ManUre supporters is trouble oui...
Ah wonder if united go face some (financial) punishment for dealing with (what could be) an ineligible player
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on January 09, 2009, 11:23:06 AM
We'll send ur title dreams packing!!
By the end you'll flop!
And we'll be top!
Walking in a Fergie Wonderland!
to the tune of Mourinho are ya listening
Post by: LondonTrini LFC on January 09, 2009, 04:22:34 PM
Benitezzzzzzz are you cracking??
We'll send ur title dreams packing!!
By the end you'll flop!
And we'll be top!
Walking in a Fergie Wonderland!
to the tune of Mourinho are ya listening
The season ends in May...
Post by: Bakes on January 09, 2009, 04:42:53 PM
Benitezzzzzzz are you cracking??
We'll send ur title dreams packing!!
By the end you'll flop!
And we'll be top!
Walking in a Fergie Wonderland!
to the tune of Mourinho are ya listening
You come across as such a wanna-be Brit.
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on January 09, 2009, 04:59:37 PM
Benitezzzzzzz are you cracking??
We'll send ur title dreams packing!!
By the end you'll flop!
And we'll be top!
Walking in a Fergie Wonderland!
to the tune of Mourinho are ya listening
You come across as such a wanna-be Brit.
why? because i know all the chants?
maybe you come across to trini then... cuz i bet you would rather hear chants in the stadium that tnt we want a goal
Post by: Bakes on January 09, 2009, 05:42:54 PM
why? because i know all the chants?
maybe you come across to trini then... cuz i bet you would rather hear chants in the stadium that tnt we want a goal
Lol... yeah.
Not really following you on the rest.
Post by: capodetutticapi on January 10, 2009, 12:41:42 PM
Post by: Bakes on January 10, 2009, 01:10:50 PM
stoke nearly pump one in allyuh ass.
...and 'Pool "nearly" pump 3 in Stoke tun tun... to-may-toe, to-mah-toe.
76% possession for 'Pool, but Stoke doing a good job in the back frustrating we.
Post by: big dawg on January 10, 2009, 01:26:50 PM
Post by: capodetutticapi on January 10, 2009, 01:29:18 PM
Post by: capodetutticapi on January 10, 2009, 01:30:04 PM
ah detectin some fright in yuh,man u is comin. ;Dstoke nearly pump one in allyuh ass.
...and 'Pool "nearly" pump 3 in Stoke tun tun... to-may-toe, to-mah-toe.
76% possession for 'Pool, but Stoke doing a good job in the back frustrating we.
Post by: dinho on January 10, 2009, 01:31:25 PM
Post by: Feliziano on January 10, 2009, 01:33:40 PM
what ah tell allyuh..Lucas is not a replacement for Xabi.
both he and Masch were atrocious trying to start some offence and even doing the simple sideways pass
this is the kinda game for Stevie G to play deep in order to control and dictate the play
plus we trying to score and still have the 2 defensive mids on the pitch and Keane on de blasted bench still..steups
this really annoying now
Post by: capodetutticapi on January 10, 2009, 01:39:58 PM
Post by: Feliziano on January 10, 2009, 01:46:37 PM
Thanks for this thread fellas.Welcome London Trini..like yuh had ah orgasm and ecide to stop lurking when yuh see this thread eh ;D
it seems like we cyah get de credit we deserve at all...
ah like de post about de fac' dat Rafa (who is ah BOSS! and will win his firs' Prem title in less time than it take a certain wine drinking Scotsman to win his) play young charges in dis campaign... if Momo eye injury didn't happen it was worries for all ah dem squad an dem too.
Fac's is fac's
Lucas is Brazil's U21 Captain...
Maradona pick Mascherano to be he Captain...
Torres on everybody wishlis'
Gerrard is de mos' dynamic and complete midfielder bar none... yes, bar NONE. (and as for Milan givin we dat title in '05, ah t'ink we well return de compliment in '07 yeah?)
Pepe Reina, makin saves dat have Iker sendin him tex messages every time he play,
Carra + Agger=passion & brains (even Milan want de Dane)
Carra + Sami=passion & experience (offers from all over de world to break dat partnership up)
Arbeloa keep Ronaldinho quiet 2 seasons runnin in Spain
Aurelio (when fit) is lethal for a Brazilian defender in the mould of de overlappin wing back.
Keane (is irelands leading scorer of all time and) only needs time to deal wid de heat.
if Pennant was a Trini he was walking straight into we Nati squad...
Babel and Kuyt is Holland strike force...
El-Zhar and Yossi is de beacons of de peace process dat Israel and de Palestinians could learn from
N'gog scorin goals...
Now, even if we doh win de league, trus' me, we have NO NEED to spen' money... and even if we did Sunderland eh go part wid Kenwyne
De only ting we missin':
is Bastien Schweinstiger or Philip Lahm jus to have a German in de mix...
Oh and before ah forget
Dossena is Not For Sale...
many thanks fellas...
Come on you Reds
Rafa is a Genius
You'll Never Walk Alone
doh worry with them fellas, ah sure yuh done know who all the haters are :devil:
Post by: Bakes on January 10, 2009, 02:14:30 PM
ah detectin some fright in yuh,man u is comin. ;D
Fright? lol, nah man... I give credit where credit is due. Stoke fight and did what they had to tuh come out dis game with ah point. Agree with yuh that Luca (and Skrtel) did some real tata today. Not sure why Rafa decide tuh bench Keane and keep him there... that lone striker formation didn't do shit fuh we. All our chances came from Gerard who hit everything but the back of the net.
Es la vida.
Post by: Tenorsaw on January 10, 2009, 02:54:54 PM
Post by: giggsy11 on January 10, 2009, 04:02:02 PM
Post by: LondonTrini LFC on January 11, 2009, 05:17:39 AM
Thanks for this thread fellas.Welcome London Trini..like yuh had ah orgasm and ecide to stop lurking when yuh see this thread eh ;D
it seems like we cyah get de credit we deserve at all...
ah like de post about de fac' dat Rafa (who is ah BOSS! and will win his firs' Prem title in less time than it take a certain wine drinking Scotsman to win his) play young charges in dis campaign... if Momo eye injury didn't happen it was worries for all ah dem squad an dem too.
Fac's is fac's
Lucas is Brazil's U21 Captain...
Maradona pick Mascherano to be he Captain...
Torres on everybody wishlis'
Gerrard is de mos' dynamic and complete midfielder bar none... yes, bar NONE. (and as for Milan givin we dat title in '05, ah t'ink we well return de compliment in '07 yeah?)
Pepe Reina, makin saves dat have Iker sendin him tex messages every time he play,
Carra + Agger=passion & brains (even Milan want de Dane)
Carra + Sami=passion & experience (offers from all over de world to break dat partnership up)
Arbeloa keep Ronaldinho quiet 2 seasons runnin in Spain
Aurelio (when fit) is lethal for a Brazilian defender in the mould of de overlappin wing back.
Keane (is irelands leading scorer of all time and) only needs time to deal wid de heat.
if Pennant was a Trini he was walking straight into we Nati squad...
Babel and Kuyt is Holland strike force...
El-Zhar and Yossi is de beacons of de peace process dat Israel and de Palestinians could learn from
N'gog scorin goals...
Now, even if we doh win de league, trus' me, we have NO NEED to spen' money... and even if we did Sunderland eh go part wid Kenwyne
De only ting we missin':
is Bastien Schweinstiger or Philip Lahm jus to have a German in de mix...
Oh and before ah forget
Dossena is Not For Sale...
many thanks fellas...
Come on you Reds
Rafa is a Genius
You'll Never Walk Alone
doh worry with them fellas, ah sure yuh done know who all the haters are :devil:
T'anks man... eh... we graze de pos's twice yesterday yuh know... we 4 points on top... lookin' dong on dem haters...
it jus' wasn' we day...
as fuh dem *an Un*ted supporters... loud steups...
Post by: JDB on January 11, 2009, 06:57:27 AM
Rafa coachin not lose and confirming Fergie's point that he overpay for Keane. Also his inflexible ways will cost Shiterpool third place! :devil:
I wish somebody could find the original Keane thread. I rememebr when everybody was praising him I was saying that Rafa would not be able to get the most out of him.
When this season done, if Liverpool does not win the title they will use Keane as a bat to beat Rafa, and justifiably so.
Post by: sammy on January 11, 2009, 07:10:59 AM
it jus' wasn' we day...
confidentially is not u year either ;D
Post by: giggsy11 on January 11, 2009, 12:17:55 PM
Rafa coachin not lose and confirming Fergie's point that he overpay for Keane. Also his inflexible ways will cost Shiterpool third place! :devil:
I wish somebody could find the original Keane thread. I rememebr when everybody was praising him I was saying that Rafa would not be able to get the most out of him.
When this season done, if Liverpool does not win the title they will use Keane as a bat to beat Rafa, and justifiably so.
Why buy the any player and not show any confidence in him? It is his job to utilize his strengths so he needs to put him in spots to help him contribute to the cause.
Post by: LondonTrini LFC on January 11, 2009, 02:36:52 PM
it jus' wasn' we day...
confidentially is not u year either ;D
eh... sammy... hear dis... allyuh still have to play we yuh know... and as much it might be at MOld Trafford, we beat allyuh already...
dat game in hand could be 3 points fuh we...
Rafa is a Jedi...
Post by: LondonTrini LFC on January 11, 2009, 02:42:22 PM
Rafa coachin not lose and confirming Fergie's point that he overpay for Keane. Also his inflexible ways will cost Shiterpool third place! :devil:
I wish somebody could find the original Keane thread. I rememebr when everybody was praising him I was saying that Rafa would not be able to get the most out of him.
When this season done, if Liverpool does not win the title they will use Keane as a bat to beat Rafa, and justifiably so.
Why buy the any player and not show any confidence in him? It is his job to utilize his strengths so he needs to put him in spots to help him contribute to the cause.
it still have 17 games to go yuh know... and once we play the player in games where his "brand" could be most effective, we will be okay...
he likes to score against big teams... hear nuh... he might be frustrated, but all de same, Harry and Spurs in de bottom half.. both keane and Berba (as lazy as he is) scorin' goals. de player is a Liverpool player now, ah hadda back him to deliver de goals...
de season ends in May... remember dat fellas (and ladies, ah eh want to offend... ;D)
be good!
Post by: giggsy11 on January 11, 2009, 03:00:51 PM
Rafa coachin not lose and confirming Fergie's point that he overpay for Keane. Also his inflexible ways will cost Shiterpool third place! :devil:
I wish somebody could find the original Keane thread. I rememebr when everybody was praising him I was saying that Rafa would not be able to get the most out of him.
When this season done, if Liverpool does not win the title they will use Keane as a bat to beat Rafa, and justifiably so.
Why buy the any player and not show any confidence in him? It is his job to utilize his strengths so he needs to put him in spots to help him contribute to the cause.
it still have 17 games to go yuh know... and once we play the player in games where his "brand" could be most effective, we will be okay...
he likes to score against big teams... hear nuh... he might be frustrated, but all de same, Harry and Spurs in de bottom half.. both keane and Berba (as lazy as he is) scorin' goals. de player is a Liverpool player now, ah hadda back him to deliver de goals...
de season ends in May... remember dat fellas (and ladies, ah eh want to offend... ;D)
be good!
:beermug: No scenes, may the better team win :beermug:
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on January 11, 2009, 03:01:18 PM
You dont have the Quality...You dont have the Squad and You dont have the Manager
enjoy your time at the top...it wont last long...
Post by: LondonTrini LFC on January 11, 2009, 03:15:44 PM
You dont have a f**king chance in hell
You dont have the Quality...You dont have the Squad and You dont have the Manager
enjoy your time at the top...it wont last long...
how old you is small man?...
why you have tuh be cussin' so...
yuh cracking?... de title eh yours to be gettin' on so for...
listen...
every "era" ends... this might just be de beginning of the end to U*ited's...
calm down... calm down...
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on January 11, 2009, 03:25:50 PM
This Era not ending for a long time...remember that
Post by: sammy on January 11, 2009, 03:41:01 PM
it still have 17 games to go yuh know... and once we play the player in games where his "brand" could be most effective, we will be okay...
lol Keep telling yuh self that if that does make u feel better. Well at least allyuh have this pathetic support group/thread thing going jus like arsenal and chelsea. ;D
Come on, dont u know that admitting Liverpool have a problem is the first step?
Post by: giggsy11 on January 11, 2009, 04:54:48 PM
Post by: LondonTrini LFC on January 12, 2009, 12:27:20 PM
Chelsea 21 42
Man Utd 19 41
Aston Villa 21 41
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Arsenal 21 38
Everton 21 35
Wig Ath 20 31
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Hull City 21 27
Fulham 19 26
W Ham U 21 26
Newcastle 21 23
Bolton 21 23
Sundeland 21 23
Portsmout 20 23
Man City 20 22
Middlesbro 21 21
Stoke City 21 21
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Tottenham 21 20
Blackburn 20 18
WesBA 21 18
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on January 12, 2009, 01:14:41 PM
Liverpool 21 46
Chelsea 21 42
Man Utd 19 41
Aston Villa 21 41
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Arsenal 21 38
Everton 21 35
Wig Ath 20 31
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Hull City 21 27
Fulham 19 26
W Ham U 21 26
Newcastle 21 23
Bolton 21 23
Sundeland 21 23
Portsmout 20 23
Man City 20 22
Middlesbro 21 21
Stoke City 21 21
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Tottenham 21 20
Blackburn 20 18
WesBA 21 18
Post by: sammy on January 12, 2009, 02:28:43 PM
Apparently he trying to take front before front take he.
Next thing he go be blaming the FA for United overhauling them and winning the title.
>:(
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on January 15, 2009, 12:22:08 PM
Your just a Fat Spanish Waiter! Fat Spanish Waiter!! Your just a Fat Spanish Waiter
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e7/ruud1000/n655754672_1918362_2661.jpg)
Are you watching Merseyside!!??
Post by: Big Magician on January 15, 2009, 12:35:09 PM
Post by: sammy on January 15, 2009, 12:36:34 PM
ah have to get a job for dis boy yes...mama...:rotfl:
Post by: dinho on January 15, 2009, 12:45:19 PM
ah have to get a job for dis boy yes...mama...:rotfl:
yuh see gran torino yet?
cause he could come and cut my lawn.
Post by: giggsy11 on January 15, 2009, 01:43:52 PM
ah have to get a job for dis boy yes...mama...
LMAO! :rotfl:
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on January 17, 2009, 12:02:23 PM
Man Utd 21 47
Liverpool 21 46
Chelsea 22 45
Aston Villa 22 44
Arsenal 21 38
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e7/ruud1000/berba1.jpg)
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e7/ruud1000/BERBA2.jpg)
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e7/ruud1000/n655754672_1918362_2661.jpg)
Post by: Tenorsaw on January 17, 2009, 05:14:11 PM
Post by: kaliman2006 on January 17, 2009, 05:45:29 PM
Of course, salivating at the opportunity to revel in the demise of Liverpool's title rivals, I watched the Chelsea-Stoke game on channelsurfing.net. Well, a minute after I started watching, Chelsea equalized and subsequently won the game and when I logged onto soccernet, I saw that the ManUtd had scored a last gast winner at Bolton.
Maybe I should stop watching.
I'll find something else to do on Monday.
Ah jinxin' de side.
Post by: giggsy11 on January 17, 2009, 06:15:00 PM
Post by: sammy on January 17, 2009, 07:13:35 PM
I think it is so selfish of 'The Fat Spanish Waiter' to be talkin about his contract while his team tryin tuh win dey first EPl title. He always in the middle or creatin a controversy. He know his team mentally weak already, why he doin dat.
to distract people from noticing how things going downhill.
Post by: dinho on January 19, 2009, 01:47:29 PM
Rafa actually starting with Keane and Torres up front together in a hard game.
Post by: dinho on January 19, 2009, 03:51:45 PM
get in son.
Post by: Cantona007 on January 19, 2009, 03:58:56 PM
Tim Cahill..
get in son.
Fat...Spanish...Waiter :devil:
Post by: JDB on January 19, 2009, 04:04:37 PM
Tim Cahill..
get in son.
Yuh backing United now?
This result have norelevance for Chelsea.
Post by: Daft Trini on January 19, 2009, 04:14:01 PM
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on January 19, 2009, 04:19:26 PM
PREMIER LEAGUE?? YOUR HAVING A LAUGH!!!!
PREMIER LEAGUE?? YOUR HAVING A LAUGH!!!!
PREMIER LEAGUE?? YOUR HAVING A LAUGH!!!!
Man Utd 21 47
Liverpool 22 47
Chelsea 22 45
Aston Villa 22 44
Arsenal 21 38
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e7/ruud1000/n655754672_1918362_2661.jpg)
Post by: dinho on January 19, 2009, 04:30:16 PM
Tim Cahill..
get in son.
Yuh backing United now?
This result have norelevance for Chelsea.
how yuh mean???
3 horse in ah race and the frontrunner getting peg back is welcome news.
I feel the Chelsea win is a season changer, and now Chelsea and Man United can stretch their legs for the title run in.
Not sure what Liverpool thought they was doing though. The air is thin up here.
Post by: giggsy11 on January 19, 2009, 06:26:56 PM
Tim Cahill..
get in son.
Yuh backing United now?
This result have norelevance for Chelsea.
how yuh mean???
3 horse in ah race and the frontrunner getting peg back is welcome news.
I feel the Chelsea win is a season changer, and now Chelsea and Man United can stretch their legs for the title run in.
Not sure what Liverpool thought they was doing though. The air is thin up here.
Looks like is up to allyuh tuh make things interesting or else we will be out of sight!
Post by: sammy on January 19, 2009, 06:27:43 PM
Post by: giggsy11 on January 19, 2009, 06:33:22 PM
Post by: sammy on January 19, 2009, 07:51:25 PM
Anybody notice all dem teams ( Chelski, Shiterpool and Arsenull) that have 'Forever threads' strugglin? :devil:
I tell yuh is a support group kinda thing they trying to do.
Post by: Bitter on January 19, 2009, 08:22:03 PM
Cahil is a stud, he could play for United any time. He would be an asset to any teams for Shiterpool- shyte side is shyte side! Anybody notice all dem teams ( Chelski, Shiterpool and Arsenull) that have 'Forever threads' strugglin? :devil:
yeah boy, Bognor Regis Town struggling too.
Of course with the team "forever" threads, then you doh have the board cluttered up with a bunch of threads everytime some random non-soca warriors related team take a sweat.
It should probably have a "Make ah internet chant forever!" thread too.
Post by: Feliziano on January 20, 2009, 10:33:14 AM
ent is true ;DCahil is a stud, he could play for United any time. He would be an asset to any teams for Shiterpool- shyte side is shyte side! Anybody notice all dem teams ( Chelski, Shiterpool and Arsenull) that have 'Forever threads' strugglin? :devil:
yeah boy, Bognor Regis Town struggling too.
Of course with the team "forever" threads, then you doh have the board cluttered up with a bunch of threads everytime some random non-soca warriors related team take a sweat.
It should probably have a "Make ah internet chant forever!" thread too.
dem mods should start merging all dem Barca threads too :devil:
Post by: sammy on January 20, 2009, 11:26:53 AM
* Phil McNulty - Sport Online chief football writer
* 20 Jan 09, 08:30 AM
Rafael Benitez was defiant - no surprise given that he has been little else in two weeks of turbulence created by his decision to wage public war inside and outside Anfield.
Liverpool, are not, he insisted, in the process of proving Sir Alex Ferguson's point that nerves would be their downfall as they chase the title that has escaped them for 19 years.
And the merest suggestion that Benitez himself had cranked up the pressure with his own behaviour, first via a public attack on Ferguson then by revealing his rejection of a new contract, was swatted away emphatically.
Like good comedy, however, the secret of such public pronouncements lies in the timing and Liverpool's late stumble as they were deservedly held to a 1-1 draw by Everton at Anfield suggests Benitez's has got his wrong.
Benitez's bold blast at Ferguson was the catalyst for a stumbling Liverpool performance at Stoke followed by Manchester United's dismissal of Chelsea.
The airing of his contract grievances came just before United hit the top at Bolton and Liverpool failed to take their own chance to move back to the top of the Premier League by beating Everton.
And it seems the nerves are gripping everyone at Anfield.
Marvellous song though it is, "Panic" by The Smiths may not have been the most appropriate choice of pre-match music by Anfield's resident DJ just as Everton fans were giving voice to their belief Benitez was "cracking up".
Of course Liverpool's defenders hardly had Rafa's contract on their mind as Tim Cahill glanced in the 87th-minute header that equalised Steven Gerrard's thunderous strike.
But there is no escaping the simple truth that Benitez has caused needless waves within and without Liverpool at a time when all was going smoothly. Why not just lurk nicely under the radar?
In Benitez's defence, he had a valid argument that Liverpool were only three minutes away from a vital victory and if you had offered them their current position in August it would have been welcomed with open arms.
But, rather significantly, they did not survive those last three minutes and showed too many signs of a team that are not yet convinced they can be champions this season.
And for all his positive words, there was a slump of the shoulders and a resigned body language from Benitez in his post-match inquest that suggests he knows there has been a shift in momentum in the title race, even though it is not by any means a decisive one.
Everton, it must be stressed, are formidable opponents under manager David Moyes and it was not a huge shock when Cahill glanced in Mikel Arteta's vicious late free-kick. More of them later.
But Liverpool, and Benitez's, reaction to taking the lead after 68 minutes was conservatism personified. What they had they intended to hold - a risky strategy at any time, but especially against a team as battle-hardened and resilient as Everton.
It was a toss-up between whether Liverpool felt Gerrard's goal meant it was "job done" or they simply did not have the courage of their convictions to try and finish Everton off.
Either way, caution can no longer be the basis for their title campaign. It has already cost them too much.
Benitez was the subject of some questioning in the aftermath for his decision to remove Fernando Torres shortly before Cahill's goal, sending on the trusted Lucas to see out the final few minutes.
Torres looked exhausted, but if he was to be removed was Javier Mascherano not the better option?
And once again Robbie Keane endured a nightmare evening before the traditional round of sympathetic Anfield applause accompanied his early departure.
It may be an optical illusion, but on occasions it almost looks like his Liverpool colleagues are unaware of Keane's actual presence on the pitch. The game goes on around him. He waits in vain for passes that never come. He makes runs that are rarely spotted.
He has no natural link with Torres and it is not a pretty sight to see a player who is normally the epitome of exuberance and confidence running on empty when it comes to both of those crucial commodities.
Liverpool's fans certainly did their bit with ear-splitting backing for their team, but they were ominously silent at the final whistle as Everton's supporters celebrated.
And they deserved to celebrate after watching their side make light of paper-thin resources once more.
Moyes is fashioning another excellent season from a group of players who he says would be top of the league if points were awarded for spirit.
In previous Anfield visits, they looked as if it would not actually cross their minds that they could win - a lack of belief reflected in wretched results,
But this was a performance of confidence as well as resolve, with Steven Pienaar leading the way in following Moyes' mantra of bravery in possession.
The heroes, however, were at the back, with Phil Jagielka once again suggesting he cannot be far from an England recall and Leighton Baines playing arguably his finest game for the club.
And, for the team with no strikers, how valuable is the contribution of goalscorer Cahill?
A nuisance for 90 minutes, occasionally driving Martin Skrtel to distraction, he has the priceless knack of arriving unmarked in the penalty area.
Everton have now drawn against Manchester United, Chelsea and Liverpool this season - the next step they take may be the most crucial.
Self-belief and positive thinking is the key, as it is for Liverpool and Benitez.
Liverpool's title bandwagon has hardly come flying off the rails, but there is little doubt unsteadiness and uncertainty has crept in at a most inopportune time.
Time to put away the politics and focus on the football.
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on January 20, 2009, 11:28:38 AM
He's Cracking Up
He's Crackinggg
Rafa's Cracking Up
Post by: kaliman2006 on January 25, 2009, 11:44:11 AM
:o
Maybe I should reconsider my dislike of Mourinho.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_4847797,00.html
Mourinho - Liverpool can win
Jose sees no reason why Reds can't lift title
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Former Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho believes Liverpool have the ability to win this season's Premier League title.
Liverpool currently sit second in the table, level on points with leaders Manchester United but having played a game more.
However, Mourinho still believes that the Merseyside club have all the tools necessary to maintain their championship challenge.
"It has been interesting watching Liverpool this season. I think they have everything they need to win the title," he wrote in the Sunday Telegraph.
"I still can't understand why they didn't do it in the last four years. Why wouldn't they be able to do it this season? Of course they can.
"The manager is good, the players are good, the crowd is unique, the tradition of the club is big, so why can't they do it? I think they can."
Lost Points
The current Inter Milan boss did warn Liverpool that their traditional league slump in the second half of the season could prove costly.
"Usually it is when the UEFA Champions League starts that they lose their focus on the Premier League," Mourinho added.
"It was like this in previous years when they did very well in the Champions League but they lost too many points in the championship.
"They have already lost 10 points at home by drawing the kind of matches they used to win. Against Stoke, Fulham, West Ham, Hull and Everton it has been two points lost. So if you can imagine that they had those 10 points now, they would be top of the league."
The Game
The charismatic Portuguese manager also played down the rift between Rafa Benitez and United boss Sir Alex Ferguson, saying the recent dispute was not down to a lack of mutual respect.
"As for these stories I read about Rafael Benitez and Alex Ferguson exchanging words, this is all part of the game," he said.
"It is part of the fight you have to make to win a title, part of the pressure that managers try and put on other managers, clubs and structures to try to get an advantage.
"I think Benitez and Ferguson respect each other and both know they are contenders for the title. I don't think it is personal."
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Post by: capodetutticapi on January 25, 2009, 11:52:13 AM
Post by: Bakes on January 25, 2009, 11:52:25 AM
by RivalsDM
Updated: January 23, 2009, 7:01 PM EST
Former teenage prodigy Pennant, 26, is looking forward to kicking off his Pompey career in the FA Cup clash with Swansea after arriving at Fratton Park on a six-month loan deal following three months out in the cold at Anfield.
Although he joined Arsenal for a £2million fee from home-town club Notts County 10 years ago and became their youngest player in a competitive match at just over 16, he was rarely given a chance by manager Arsene Wenger.
Pennant had loan spells at Watford and Leeds before joining Birmingham who sold him to Liverpool for �6million in 2005.
He forced his way into a star-studded team and played in a Champions League final.
But this season, after coming back from a broken leg, Pennant made just three starts for the Reds - the last in a 1-0 win over Portsmouth in their new manager Tony Adams' first match in charge - and claims he was a victim of manager Rafael Benitez's preference for foreign talent.
He said: "I don't know what it is with me and Rafa. He knows I've got the ability and that I'm capable of playing in his team.
"But when you find yourself suddenly training on your own - when all the other boys are out there - and it's just a couple of years after playing in a Champions League final, you've got to wonder where you are going.
Pennant told Sky Sports he felt his career was "rotting away" in Liverpool's reserves and that he simply had to review his options.
"I've come here to Portsmouth to do a job for them and when my contract is finished in July then the world's my oyster," he said.
"I don't think Liverpool will be watching or coming back for me. They can't say anything to me really.
"All I've said to Rafa in the last couple of seasons is 'good morning' and things like that, but you can't knock him. It's his team and he's won plenty of trophies, including the Champions League.
"But it does look as if, apart from the obvious ones, you stand a better chance of being in the team there if you are a foreigner."
Adams was firmly established as Arsenal and England captain when Pennant arrived at Highbury from Notts County.
"He's always been a quality talent," the Pompey boss said.
"Signing a player like Jermaine wasn't a major priority but he's a major addition to the squad.
"I've no fears about him not having played for a while because he's bright and quick and naturally fit."
Adams is glad to have Pennant available, particularly after a scan revealed that Croatia midfielder Niko Kranjcar has torn a groin muscle and is likely to be out long-term.
Kranjcar, who has already admitted he expects to be sold by Pompey in the summer, missed the beginning of the current campaign following an ankle operation and has made only 10 starts since returning in November.
"It looks a bad one and we'll miss him for what I believe will be quite a while," said Adams.
Regarding Saturday's FA Cup fourth-round tie against Championship Swansea at Fratton Park, Adams added: "They are playing probably some of their best football in the division at the moment. They destroyed Reading last week with their passing in a 4-3-3 set up.
"I don't think I can give them bigger praise than that and although we'll start favourites as the holders we've got to stay as resilient as we have been in the last few games to avoid being punished."
Adams has dismissed fears that his England goalkeeper David James is only playing on thanks to a painkilling injection in his knee.
Adams told the Portsmouth News: "He will be absolutely fine and I can't imagine he won't play tomorrow.
"He doesn't need an operation and probably doesn't need another injection either."
http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/9125166/Pennant-rues-Rafa-treatment
Post by: sammy on January 25, 2009, 12:02:39 PM
Jose could real mamaguy man yes..... funny how he eh think that they "can" win the Cl also.
He just like attention and have to deflect the press/ public away from Juve taking Serie A this year and the stick he getting for allowing them to catch up
Post by: Mose on January 25, 2009, 12:10:17 PM
Post by: giggsy11 on January 25, 2009, 12:10:47 PM
Post by: acb on January 25, 2009, 12:14:17 PM
Rafa was Jose's bunny during The Special One's reign in the Premiership.
Rafa is now Fergie's bunny, and Fergie is the king of chain-up talk.
Jose must be laughing heartily ... especially after Liverpool draw at home just now.
Pressure is on Rafa.
Post by: Feliziano on January 26, 2009, 06:20:08 PM
Keane cant play up front on his own, therefore he cant be a Torres backup.
We shoulda tried Babel down the middle and see what woulda happened at least.
ah cant understand having Ngog in the matchday squad instead of Keane.
anybody else feel something sinister afoot?
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on January 26, 2009, 06:21:44 PM
Wha we go do bout that?!?!
Post by: Feliziano on January 26, 2009, 06:26:27 PM
Mods - it have a Liverpool vs Everton thread down at the bottom of the page.someweher ah did read Tallman is ah Man U supporter..maybe thais why he ent want to upset he boy them :devil:
Wha we go do bout that?!?!
but yeah they should merge that Everton game though
Post by: LondonTrini LFC on January 27, 2009, 03:04:19 PM
But I will say this... The ball is round, the game lasts 90 minutes, everything else is pure theory...
the table does not lie though... Liverpool are where they are because they have lost 1 game to Spurs... they have drawn too many games as well...
Regardless, the red half of Manchester can't afford to lose any games either...
Let's see what transpires, eh fellas...
Post by: capodetutticapi on January 28, 2009, 01:35:52 PM
Post by: giggsy11 on January 28, 2009, 03:05:31 PM
Post by: capodetutticapi on January 28, 2009, 03:12:48 PM
Post by: Bitter on January 28, 2009, 03:30:02 PM
Mido does the job.
Gerrard off, Robbie Keane on to rescue them
Post by: giggsy11 on January 28, 2009, 03:32:00 PM
Penal!
Mido does the job.
Gerrard off, Robbie Keane on to rescue them
Rafa going for the draw!
Post by: Mango Chow! on January 28, 2009, 03:33:55 PM
Mido is one of the biggest shithounds/shitsnakes playin in the EPL! Lord have mercy, doh understand why he dos still geh run!
Because he can score penalties! :devil:
Ah have to say it:If Liverpool don't come back and win this game, their title hopes are over!
Post by: giggsy11 on January 28, 2009, 03:43:09 PM
Mido is one of the biggest shithounds/shitsnakes playin in the EPL! Lord have mercy, doh understand why he dos still geh run!
Because he can score penalties! :devil:
Ah have to say it:If Liverpool don't come back and win this game, their title hopes are over!
Ah think yuh ment tuh say their chances of finishing second are over!
Post by: Tenorsaw on January 28, 2009, 03:54:21 PM
Post by: dinho on January 28, 2009, 03:57:11 PM
I think Yahoo gamecast says it best:
"72' LIVERPOOL SUB: Sometimes I want to do painful, tortuous things to Rafa Benitez, like he does to me. He has taken off Torres - the only striker - and brought on Riera - a winger. Even though Keane and Kuyt are on the bench. AAARRRGGGGHHH!!!"
"84' LIVERPOOL SUB: Benitez finally brings on Keane but OH NO WHAT IS HE DOING!!?? He takes Gerrard off. Gerrard!! The only man who scores late goals for you all the time! Your best player! After taking off your second-best player, the person next most likely to score late goals etc etc. I give up."
Post by: giggsy11 on January 28, 2009, 04:00:19 PM
Benitez need to find a new team to manage. Yuh telling me that Keane good for a 5 min sweat? F**K off.
Obviously I aint no Shiterpool fan but I must say the way he has dealt with Keane has been immature and spiteful. It just is not right that he puttin his personal feelings ahead of the best interest of the side's ambitions. And is not like the players he has played ahead of Keane are better or have been better. My condolences with that one.
Post by: Tenorsaw on January 28, 2009, 04:10:53 PM
Post by: JDB on January 28, 2009, 05:33:06 PM
Since he open he cyat about Ferguson he ent win a game, 4 draws.
He want control of player valuations and he blame Parry for spending 20M on Keane because that only leave them with 14M for barry and Villa wanted more.
But if you look at Rafa transfer history would you trust him to value players.
- Keane was never going to work in this Liverpool system and Rafa show that he can't get the side to play two forwards. He waaay too defensive minded for that.
- Voronin, waste a money. Last one season
- Crouch, spend big money then when yuh get Torres yuh realize Crouch can't suit your system.
- Dossena, if ever there was a goat it is Dossena. Yuh spend 7M on a left back that slow as mud.
- Pennant, just two years and he playing the same football as he was at Brum. Is not like his fickleness is a surprise.
He get lucky that Kuyt vindicate his move to the wing by working so hard but if you match Kuyt up against a true winger he can't keep up.
Then the selections.
Could somebody tell me why Agger can't even make the squad? yet he have no problem with the player.
He want to ship Alonso and every game the man play he either create or score a goal. To add insult he playing Leiva, a less Brazilian Brazilian I never see. Pure toots.
And every game Torres coming off and Benitez have no plan B. He winning game 1-0 and taking off Torres to bring on a set of defenders and shitsnakes like Ngog.
Post by: capodetutticapi on January 28, 2009, 05:38:34 PM
just now wigan will equalisehahahahahahaha
Post by: GunnerStunner on January 28, 2009, 05:43:57 PM
just now wigan will equalisehahahahahahaha
goatmouthus instigatus
Post by: elan on January 28, 2009, 05:44:43 PM
This Rafa is a goat.
I think Yahoo gamecast says it best:
"72' LIVERPOOL SUB: Sometimes I want to do painful, tortuous things to Rafa Benitez, like he does to me. He has taken off Torres - the only striker - and brought on Riera - a winger. Even though Keane and Kuyt are on the bench. AAARRRGGGGHHH!!!"
"84' LIVERPOOL SUB: Benitez finally brings on Keane but OH NO WHAT IS HE DOING!!?? He takes Gerrard off. Gerrard!! The only man who scores late goals for you all the time! Your best player! After taking off your second-best player, the person next most likely to score late goals etc etc. I give up."
Since last year in the CL when I talk about he shady subs alyuh tell me I don't know what ah talking about.
Post by: giggsy11 on January 28, 2009, 05:50:22 PM
This Rafa is a goat.
I think Yahoo gamecast says it best:
"72' LIVERPOOL SUB: Sometimes I want to do painful, tortuous things to Rafa Benitez, like he does to me. He has taken off Torres - the only striker - and brought on Riera - a winger. Even though Keane and Kuyt are on the bench. AAARRRGGGGHHH!!!"
"84' LIVERPOOL SUB: Benitez finally brings on Keane but OH NO WHAT IS HE DOING!!?? He takes Gerrard off. Gerrard!! The only man who scores late goals for you all the time! Your best player! After taking off your second-best player, the person next most likely to score late goals etc etc. I give up."
Since last year in the CL when I talk about he shady subs alyuh tell me I don't know what ah talking about.
Yuh doh know what yuh talkin about ;D
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on January 28, 2009, 05:52:45 PM
Top of the League and that's a Fact!
Top of the League and that's a Fact!
Top of the League and that's a Fact!
Rafa you c**t lol... since you fact fiasco...
Utd 3 pl games..3 wins..9 points...position 1st
Liverpool 3 pl games...0 wins.. 3 points...position 3rd
HE'S CRACKING UP HE'S CRACKING UP
HE'S CRACKING!!
RAFA'S CRACKING UP
Post by: Mango Chow! on January 29, 2009, 07:20:54 AM
Post by: Daft Trini on January 29, 2009, 08:05:31 AM
Oh Lawd........
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
You can count on Rafa and liverfool when you need a good laugh
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Post by: Bakes on January 29, 2009, 08:39:05 AM
Post by: FF on January 29, 2009, 09:08:54 AM
... there'll be time enough for counting, when the dealing's done.
Yuh know the gambler end up dead in that song right Bakes ;)
Post by: ckhan on January 29, 2009, 09:34:04 AM
Post by: Bakes on January 29, 2009, 09:48:36 AM
... there'll be time enough for counting, when the dealing's done.
Yuh know the gambler end up dead in that song right Bakes ;)
You mad or what... de gambler making music still tuh dis day. Matter ah fact he does be in Trini every year fuh mother's day like he name Ace Cannon :D
Post by: boss on January 29, 2009, 11:37:26 AM
Post by: ckhan on January 29, 2009, 11:40:49 AM
Post by: acb on January 29, 2009, 11:42:13 AM
good thing he pass it to Gerrard and no-body else.
Post by: JDB on January 29, 2009, 11:43:27 AM
(http://i39.tinypic.com/2u8wewl.gif)
That is a beautiful piece of skill. Unplayable because the defenders can't gamble on him choosng and executing that option.
Post by: ckhan on January 29, 2009, 11:48:24 AM
Post by: dinho on January 29, 2009, 01:46:56 PM
but if you serious about winning the league and you leading Wigan 1-0 in a must win game, then yuh need to leave yuh big guns out on the pitch until de result is assured.
Worse yet if the score is 1-1 then yuh supposed to do everything to get that result.. even if it mean playing with 2 in the back.. Thats what champions do!
But no yuh subbing yuh best player Gerrard and bringing on a cold Robbie Keane.
this team doh deserve to win nothing.
Post by: sammy on January 29, 2009, 04:36:26 PM
He must be vex he used to support this side when he was a youth
Post by: sammy on January 29, 2009, 05:36:16 PM
Keane's future at Anfield has been the subject of intense speculation after he was left out of the squad for last weekend's FA Cup clash with Everton.
The Republic of Ireland international has endured a difficult time at Liverpool since his summer arrival from Tottenham struggling to establish himself in Rafa Benitez's plans.
Benitez has refused to confirm Keane's future and the player was only given a late run-out in Wednesday's draw with Wigan.
Spurs boss Harry Redknapp is thought to be in the market for a new striker and he has never hidden his admiration for Keane.
Sky Sports News sources claim Spurs have made an informal enquiry for Keane, but no bid has been tabled for the former Leeds ace.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12876_4871624,00.html
Post by: kev on January 30, 2009, 02:54:42 PM
Post by: acb on January 30, 2009, 05:31:51 PM
Rafa in his press conference today have written to Spurs complaining about Redknapp and trying to unsettle Keane
Nothing will come of this except a little bit of gran'charging.
If the Reds can recoup some/ all of that money that they paid for Keane - I'm sure they're willing to call it even, because they could do with the money - just like the rest of teams.
Post by: giggsy11 on January 30, 2009, 06:49:24 PM
Rafa in his press conference today have written to Spurs complaining about Redknapp and trying to unsettle Keane
Rafa should write to Rafa for unsettling Keane. Me thinks when he had surgery they removed the wrong set of stones!
Post by: Feliziano on February 01, 2009, 12:06:51 AM
look at Villa against Wigan today, they were trying to win, therefore they made positive substitutions, even though they didn't score they had 2 wingers and 2 centre forwards on the blasted field.
Rafa need to leave that 4-2-3-1 for when we playing Europe big guns and against the other Top 3 Epl teams,
any other team we should be playing with at least 2 forwards.
Post by: Feliziano on February 01, 2009, 12:13:50 AM
Liverpool and Chelsea will be hoping to keep up the title pressure when they meet at Anfield on Sunday.
Both clubs trail league leaders Manchester United by two points, but with United able to stretch that advantage to five by Saturday evening, a defeat for Liverpool or Chelsea could be a major blow to their challenge.
Despite a strong first half to the season, Liverpool are currently experiencing their worst run of form of the campaign, having failed to record a league victory so far in 2009.
Chelsea, on the other hand, appear to be returning to form following their crippling 3-0 loss to United earlier in the month.
Two wins on the trot have seen the Blues' flagging campaign reignited, and a victory against Liverpool would undoubtedly send out a signal of intent to their title rivals.
However, Luiz Felipe Scolari's side will first have to overturn a dreadful record against the rest of last season's top four this season, having lost all three meetings to date.
Team news
Liverpool are likely to return to their strongest starting line-up after the midweek draw with Wigan, meaning that Xabi Alonso, Albert Riera and Dirk Kuyt should all be recalled.
Fernando Torres is almost certain to lead the line for the Reds, but fellow striker Robbie Keane may have to settle for a place on the bench once again.
Chelsea are unlikely to be changed from the side that defeated Middlesbrough on Wednesday, with two-goal hero Salomon Kalou continuing alongside Premier League top goalscorer Nicolas Anelka up front.
Deco may come in for Florent Malouda, but the Londoners are likely to look for continuity as they go in search of a vital win.
Possible starting XIs
Liverpool: Reina, Arbeloa, Carragher, Skrtel, Aurelio, Kuyt, Alonso, Mascherano, Riera, Gerrard, Torres.
Chelsea: Cech, Bosingwa, Alex, Terry, A Cole, Mikel, Ballack, Lampard, Malouda, Anelka, Kalou.
Post by: Feliziano on February 01, 2009, 09:03:07 AM
Rafa finally admitted that he didn't buy Keane
Rafa I'm ashamed of how you treated this player, keep the players out of your beef with the management of the club
I hope we get back what we spent, i would gladly take Lennon, Huddlestone and Jenas or any combination with money.
Post by: boss on February 01, 2009, 09:12:56 AM
Liverpool: Reina, Arbeloa, Aurelio, Carragher, Skrtel, Mascherano, Alonso, Gerrard, Kuyt, Riera, Torres.
Post by: D.H.W on February 01, 2009, 09:25:29 AM
Post by: boss on February 01, 2009, 09:26:53 AM
when this game starting?
In half an hour (4pm GMT)
Post by: Feliziano on February 01, 2009, 09:27:56 AM
Rafa is beyond a goat.Juma ah agree with most of what yuh say there.
Since he open he cyat about Ferguson he ent win a game, 4 draws.
He want control of player valuations and he blame Parry for spending 20M on Keane because that only leave them with 14M for barry and Villa wanted more.
But if you look at Rafa transfer history would you trust him to value players.
- Keane was never going to work in this Liverpool system and Rafa show that he can't get the side to play two forwards. He waaay too defensive minded for that.
- Voronin, waste a money. Last one season
- Crouch, spend big money then when yuh get Torres yuh realize Crouch can't suit your system.
- Dossena, if ever there was a goat it is Dossena. Yuh spend 7M on a left back that slow as mud.
- Pennant, just two years and he playing the same football as he was at Brum. Is not like his fickleness is a surprise.
He get lucky that Kuyt vindicate his move to the wing by working so hard but if you match Kuyt up against a true winger he can't keep up.
Then the selections.
Could somebody tell me why Agger can't even make the squad? yet he have no problem with the player.
He want to ship Alonso and every game the man play he either create or score a goal. To add insult he playing Leiva, a less Brazilian Brazilian I never see. Pure toots.
And every game Torres coming off and Benitez have no plan B. He winning game 1-0 and taking off Torres to bring on a set of defenders and shitsnakes like Ngog.
Agger has been injured for the last month or so, but still Rafa shoulda come out and say he ent want to sell him to Milan.
We problem is that left back spot, at least Arbeloa does still make it up the right wing, i ent know what to say bout Aurelio and Dossena, is best we have Skettel and Agger in the back and put Carragher in de left back, or maybe just play with 3 at the back.
Post by: giggsy11 on February 01, 2009, 09:28:06 AM
when this game starting?
11am Eastern time on FSC- be there or be square- enjoy the continued demise of either Chelski or Shiterpool!
Post by: D.H.W on February 01, 2009, 09:28:48 AM
when this game starting?
11am Eastern time on FSC- be there or be square- enjoy the continued demise of either Chelski or Shiterpool!
:devil: :devil: :devil: :salute:
Post by: Feliziano on February 01, 2009, 09:30:21 AM
They just confirmed on the radio that Keane is not in the XI or on the bench...strong rumour that there will be a Keane - Lennon straight swap...we should ship Lucas in that deal too :devil:
Liverpool: Reina, Arbeloa, Aurelio, Carragher, Skrtel, Mascherano, Alonso, Gerrard, Kuyt, Riera, Torres.
Post by: boss on February 01, 2009, 09:35:47 AM
We problem is that left back spot, at least Arbeloa does still make it up the right wing, i ent know what to say bout Aurelio and Dossena, is best we have Skettel and Agger in the back and put Carragher in de left back, or maybe just play with 3 at the back.
Emiliano Insua is at the South American U-20 championships with Argentina, and quite frankly I don't know why. His extended run in the side over the Christmas season cemented him as our best left back in my opinion. I don't like Dossena at all, and Aurelio is ok going forward, but Insua is better and an overall better defender. The sooner Argentina get knocked out of that tournament, the better (Argentina play Brazil on Monday night) :beermug:
Post by: boss on February 01, 2009, 09:37:55 AM
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on February 01, 2009, 09:43:11 AM
If they swap...they will have to buy a winger...or at least loan in one
Post by: boss on February 01, 2009, 09:50:51 AM
Post by: giggsy11 on February 01, 2009, 09:52:02 AM
If Tottenham swap Keane for Lennon they are out their minds....Firstly they have only Bentley as the next good wing option...O'Hara is a decent player but they will need 2 very good wingers to pull them out of the trouble they are in
If they swap...they will have to buy a winger...or at least loan in one
Agreed, but that my friend is the difference between a team who has a clear and definete blue print for continued success (United) versus teams like Spurs ( Shiterpool, Chelski, ) who don't and are floundering as a result.
Post by: boss on February 01, 2009, 09:53:43 AM
If Tottenham swap Keane for Lennon they are out their minds....Firstly they have only Bentley as the next good wing option...O'Hara is a decent player but they will need 2 very good wingers to pull them out of the trouble they are in
If they swap...they will have to buy a winger...or at least loan in one
Palacios can play on the wing, but you have a valid point. Plus, there are more than 24 hours left in the transfer window - I suspect this will go down to the wire :beermug:
Post by: kev on February 01, 2009, 10:12:40 AM
Post by: JDB on February 01, 2009, 10:17:11 AM
They just confirmed on the radio that Keane is not in the XI or on the bench...strong rumour that there will be a Keane - Lennon straight swap...
Poor Lennon. Rafa has yet to show that he could trust a winger to run a line properly. Lennon is a better player than Pennant but he probaly end up the same way.
If Tottenham swap Keane for Lennon they are out their minds....Firstly they have only Bentley as the next good wing option...O'Hara is a decent player but they will need 2 very good wingers to pull them out of the trouble they are in
If they swap...they will have to buy a winger...or at least loan in one
Redknapp already looking to marginalize Lennon. He buy Palacios, believes in Modric and Zokora. After them 3 yuh have Bentley, Huddlestone, Jenas and O'Hara to get a sweat. Plus he want to play with two strikers so Lennon's options are limited right now.
Lennon and Jenas lookinng like they on borrowed time.
Which is madness IMO. Rednkapp would be doing a better job if he would just focus on building up the players he has now, which are better than what he had at Pompey, rather than trying to bloat the squad.
Post by: boss on February 01, 2009, 12:05:55 PM
Post by: Feliziano on February 01, 2009, 12:16:52 PM
:beermug:....And just like that, the title race is on again..... :beermug:it was never off, we just wanted to show them we could play ketch up..come from behind does sound nice :devil:
so what was the difference with this game and the games after the Newcastle game
is like we don't play with the intensity against the mediocre sides
Post by: boss on February 01, 2009, 01:45:57 PM
Post by: Bakes on February 01, 2009, 01:59:34 PM
BBC Radio 5Live are reporting that Spurs have bid £15m for Robbie KeaneAnd the thot plickens...
Post by: Feliziano on February 03, 2009, 06:16:40 AM
unless we did only pay some of the fee initially and then Spurs come and say we go give allyuh 12 million and call it even
Robbie ah apologise for that treatment yuh get :-[
on another note something kinda fishy with Spurs buying back all dem players too, how come they ent call back Berbatov yet? :devil:
Post by: lickslikefire on February 03, 2009, 06:40:55 AM
Post by: Bourbon on February 03, 2009, 09:05:56 PM
If Keane score against liverpool in the last game of the season to cost them the league i go laugh.....rafa do a pack ah assness with keane
Dat go make this all the more likely.....
(http://www.studs-up.com/comics/2009-01-21.jpg)
Post by: Bakes on February 04, 2009, 12:02:00 AM
Robbie ah apologise for that treatment yuh get :-[
...as a huge Robbie Keane fan I approve of this message.
Rafa is a backside and ah half.
Post by: kicker on February 04, 2009, 09:34:34 AM
Robbie ah apologise for that treatment yuh get :-[
...as a huge Robbie Keane fan I approve of this message.
Rafa is a backside and ah half.
Rafa overthinks...
At Valencia he won some titles, and he became known for his tactical prowess, discipline and defense which allowed him to finish ahead of Real & Barca with less talented squads "on paper".... The difference between Valencia in Rafa's day, and Liverpool now is that Valencia had a multitude of exceptionally talented squad/role players, (Rufete, Aimar, Carboni, Angulo, Ayala, Baraja, Kily Gonzales etc...) and no real standout Talisman....The kinda squad that seems to fit perfectly into an over-managing, lack of free-flow style of coaching that is Rafa's
Liverpool currently has 2 talismanic players (now that Keane is gone), and a bunch of good but not exceptional squad players...and it doesn't seem like overmanaging works with that kinda player make-up because while it might bring out the best in your squad players, it doesn't seem to do so for your iconic big players, and Keane looks to be another example of such- funny thing is average men were calling it before it even happened...
Plain & simple there was just no room for a player like Keane in the side. Keane is not a squad player- you need to build the game around him or else you won't get the most of him...and it's plain as day that Liverpool's game is/was built around Gerrard & Torres... Keane was made to be a squad player, and he returned the output of a squad player...now he's gone off to another team that will employ him as the leader that he is.
Post by: acb on February 04, 2009, 09:36:06 AM
Post by: JDB on February 04, 2009, 10:07:22 AM
When plenty men was praising the Keane signing (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=37755.0) (allyuh know allyuh self) I was saying that Rafa would waste him. At best the Keane transfer would have made Liverpool deeper but he was nnever going to make their first team better because Rafa has a fixed way of playing and that does not include two forwards.
Solid signing. Good for 20 goals every season. Knows the Prem.
Not playing out on the wing. Benitez is not playing Keane and Torres up front as a twosome.
Expect him to be playing where Kuyt and Babel play most games, and only sometimes up top with Torres or replacing him when he is rested.
Very good player but no guarantee that Rafa will get the best out of him.
Post by: kicker on February 04, 2009, 10:31:07 AM
Far be it from me to say "I told you" so, but
When plenty men was praising the Keane signing (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=37755.0) (allyuh know allyuh self) I was saying that Rafa would waste him. At best the Keane transfer would have made Liverpool deeper but he was nnever going to make their first team better because Rafa has a fixed way of playing and that does not include two forwards.Solid signing. Good for 20 goals every season. Knows the Prem.
Not playing out on the wing. Benitez is not playing Keane and Torres up front as a twosome.
Expect him to be playing where Kuyt and Babel play most games, and only sometimes up top with Torres or replacing him when he is rested.
Very good player but no guarantee that Rafa will get the best out of him.
Ah like how yuh say far be it from me to say I told you so...yet that's exactly what yuh doing :D
btw I called it too (in that same thread): Well kinda....
i think this signing makes Liverpool a legitimate contender for the EPL title this season.
now they finally have a 2nd forward who can actually score goals and create them, and now I expect Dirk Kuyt to be a firm fixture on the right wing.
Keane is a man scores goals anywhere he goes, even at Inter Milan. The only reason he had a few less goals last season is because his minutes was getting ration off steady to Darren Bent and Jermain Defoe and he was always first sub and Berbatov wasn't coming off for nothing.
I remember going to watch Keane play live a couple years ago against Fulham and I was amazed at this guy's touch and control, awareness and passing. He was dropping back deep and controlling the game, everything was going through him.
excellent move by liverpool.
Agreed- very smart hard working player- good buy for most teams...but I don't think he managed a single goal at Inter (not that I remember).... Tardelli wasn't on him man at all....Loaned him out as soon as Lippi got the boot...might have been some politics involved there (or maybe just personal preferences)
Thing about Keane though is for all his talent and his experience, I feel like only in the last 2 seasons or so, he began to enjoy being a "franchise player" as opposed to someone trying to prove himself (got screwed at Inter, had to fight for a spot in his second season at Leeds, had to fight for spot for sometime at Hotspur).......I only hope that Benitez' rotation policy doesn't mean more of the same old frustration for him....because it would be a terrible waste, and he might have been better served staying at White Hart lane or playing with a team outside of the "big 4".
;D
Post by: Bakes on February 04, 2009, 02:19:49 PM
Waste of money... waste of a player.
Post by: dinho on February 04, 2009, 02:36:28 PM
i really thought Keane was good for a 20 goals this season and remember posting that he would turn liverpool in to genuine title contenders if he and Torres click.
But i think i was blinded by being wrong about Torres the season before. I predicted he would fail under Rafa and i was completely wrong.
the fact is, as kicker alluded to in his post earlier, that Rafa's system is inhospitable to out and out strikers, but is a role player's haven. Torres is a notable exception.
During his time when he brought unprecedented success to Valencia, the one soft area of the team was up front. There were no really outstanding forwards at that club, with all kinda journeymen like Mista, Salva Ballesta, Angulo, Carew and other hounds rotating in the sole forward position and providing barren returns.. Even Aimar, the one standout talismanic player in the team experience a hefty dose of salt under Rafa.
I don't think there was a forward that scored more than 15 goals in any season during that era.. The system however depended on firstly a strong defence (Ayala, Marchena and de wingbacks) a strong central midield (Baraja, Albelda) supported by presssing wingers (Rufete, Kily Gonzalez, Vicente) but no forwards..
i feel sorry for Robbie Keane, but at least he ent rot there for more than half a season.
Post by: giggsy11 on February 04, 2009, 02:58:45 PM
It appears that hamstring injuries have been the injury of the season. It appears that every other injury to a player has been a hamstring injury.
Post by: giggsy11 on February 04, 2009, 03:49:21 PM
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on February 04, 2009, 04:49:52 PM
Post by: Tenorsaw on February 04, 2009, 05:05:21 PM
Post by: sammy on February 04, 2009, 06:05:12 PM
Bye Bye shithongs....120 minutes...Gerrard injured...Torres picked up a knock...Your manager is a fat spanish waiter and he's cracking up and DANNY GOSLING last minute winner for The Blue half of merseyside
so who gone replace Torres now? yuh know he
:rotfl: :rotfl:
Post by: capodetutticapi on February 04, 2009, 06:11:47 PM
Post by: Bakes on February 04, 2009, 06:20:31 PM
Bye Bye shithongs....120 minutes...Gerrard injured...Torres picked up a knock...Your manager is a fat spanish waiter and he's cracking up and DANNY GOSLING last minute winner for The Blue half of merseyside
Grow up you little troll. We understand that this is your life and all...
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on February 04, 2009, 08:28:26 PM
Bye Bye shithongs....120 minutes...Gerrard injured...Torres picked up a knock...Your manager is a fat spanish waiter and he's cracking up and DANNY GOSLING last minute winner for The Blue half of merseyside
Grow up you little troll. We understand that this is your life and all...
cracking up like Rafa are we? cant handle the pressure of mind games like your fat spanish waiter of a manager?
Post by: Bakes on February 04, 2009, 08:33:59 PM
cracking up like Rafa are we? cant handle the pressure of mind games like your fat spanish waiter of a manager?
Li'l boy, Rafa Benitez is of no consequence to me, unlike you and yuh god SAF.
Additionally I don't live and die with Liverpool's wins and losses so you coming in here and throwing words doh really bother me like that. I juss find it making you look immature... but then again, you are immature... so what am I saying.
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on February 04, 2009, 08:49:03 PM
cracking up like Rafa are we? cant handle the pressure of mind games like your fat spanish waiter of a manager?
Li'l boy, Rafa Benitez is of no consequence to me, unlike you and yuh god SAF.
Additionally I don't live and die with Liverpool's wins and losses so you coming in here and throwing words doh really bother me like that. I juss find it making you look immature... but then again, you are immature... so what am I saying.
And you handle the banter so maturely....
Post by: Bakes on February 04, 2009, 09:15:02 PM
And you handle the banter so maturely....
Other than calling you a troll (which judging by your presence in this thread is factual), actually, I think I did.
My saying that you're "immature" wasn't a dig at you per se... you are immature, just an objective observation. Youth is a mitigating factor but it only goes so far. To be fair, many of us acted similarly in our teens... your actions stand out because of the age disparity relative to the majority... and your high profie at that.
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on February 04, 2009, 09:19:53 PM
And you handle the banter so maturely....
Other than calling you a troll (which judging by your presence in this thread is factual), actually, I think I did.
My saying that you're "immature" wasn't a dig at you per se... you are immature, just an objective observation. Youth is a mitigating factor but it only goes so far. To be fair, many of us acted similarly in our teens... your actions stand out because of the age disparity relative to the majority... and your high profie at that.
I'm not immature..I'm just passionate about the sport and love the banter and stuff....And we all troll... how else are we to have a laugh at each other?
I'm not angry or snapping back... just letting you know it's part of the game
Post by: Bakes on February 04, 2009, 09:22:27 PM
Passion is understandable.And you handle the banter so maturely....
Other than calling you a troll (which judging by your presence in this thread is factual), actually, I think I did.
My saying that you're "immature" wasn't a dig at you per se... you are immature, just an objective observation. Youth is a mitigating factor but it only goes so far. To be fair, many of us acted similarly in our teens... your actions stand out because of the age disparity relative to the majority... and your high profie at that.
I'm not immature..I'm just passionate about the sport and love the banter and stuff....And we all troll... how else are we to have a laugh at each other?
I'm not angry or snapping back... just letting you know it's part of the game
I actually find that you can be measured and mature when you want to be... which to me is the shame of it all. I don't agree that we all troll... but many here do, so I guess in that regard your actions are no different.
Post by: kaliman2006 on February 04, 2009, 09:45:06 PM
Passion is understandable.And you handle the banter so maturely....
Other than calling you a troll (which judging by your presence in this thread is factual), actually, I think I did.
My saying that you're "immature" wasn't a dig at you per se... you are immature, just an objective observation. Youth is a mitigating factor but it only goes so far. To be fair, many of us acted similarly in our teens... your actions stand out because of the age disparity relative to the majority... and your high profie at that.
I'm not immature..I'm just passionate about the sport and love the banter and stuff....And we all troll... how else are we to have a laugh at each other?
I'm not angry or snapping back... just letting you know it's part of the game
I actually find that you can be measured and mature when you want to be... which to me is the shame of it all. I don't agree that we all troll... but many here do, so I guess in that regard your actions are no different.
Bakes doh take on Small Mag...he eh start to deal wit' real responsibility and life yet.
He reminds me of myself when I was ah teenager.
Post by: capodetutticapi on February 04, 2009, 10:13:33 PM
Liverpool's hopes of recreating their 2006 FA Cup triumph were shattered last night as an extra-time Dan Gosling strike gave Everton the honours in the fourth-round replay at Goodison Park.
The Reds weren't at their best, it is fair to say, as the Toffees' defence - marshalled brilliantly by the ever-improving Phil Jagielka - barely gave Fernando Torres & Co. a sniff.
The Anfield club were further hampered by Steven Gerrard's early withdrawal with a hamstring injury, while Lucas Leiva joined his skipper on the sidelines later on after seeing red for a second bookable offence.
Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez was full of regret for the way things unfolded, and he believes his side were rather unfortunate to lose at the death after working hard to overcome their handicaps.
The Spaniard told the club's official website, "I am really disappointed to have gone out of the FA Cup. To play for a long time with ten players and then to concede a goal right at the end from a deflection, we have to be disappointed.
"The turning point of the game was the sending-off but I prefer not to say anything about that.
"You can lose players which is part of the game but when you play with 10 players and they are working as hard as they did tonight it was really bad luck at the end."
Liverpool have now been eliminated from both English knock-out competitions, as Tottenham Hotspur ousted them from the League Cup in November.
Post by: Bakes on February 04, 2009, 10:30:43 PM
Bakes doh take on Small Mag...he eh start to deal wit' real responsibility and life yet.
He reminds me of myself when I was ah teenager.
Lol, dai'z why ah decide tuh pull back... I mighta been same way back den too.
I bet he belly never even self boil him yet ;D
Post by: kicker on February 05, 2009, 12:40:34 PM
Bakes doh take on Small Mag...he eh start to deal wit' real responsibility and life yet.
He reminds me of myself when I was ah teenager.
Lol, dai'z why ah decide tuh pull back... I mighta been same way back den too.
I bet he belly never even self boil him yet ;D
pee pee eh frothin' yet.... ;D
Post by: E-man on February 05, 2009, 12:59:42 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/Q05K_TEF5oE
Post by: kaliman2006 on February 05, 2009, 01:11:08 PM
the goal by Gosling (at 5:15) made the ESPN SC top 10 last night
http://www.youtube.com/v/Q05K_TEF5oE
Nice finish. Everton deserves to go through.
Post by: Bakes on February 05, 2009, 03:30:03 PM
Nice finish. Everton deserves to go through.
It really was... even with the apparent touch by Skrtl.
Neither of Lucas' yellows seemed deserved to me... certainly not the first. Everton enjoyed all the chances after the sending off. Alan Wiley cheated us of a chance to go through. I wonder what are the chances of Lucas' red being rescinded? ::)
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lol... Kicker, ent? :D
Post by: acb on February 05, 2009, 03:44:04 PM
Nice finish. Everton deserves to go through.
It really was... even with the apparent touch by Skrtl.
Neither of Lucas' yellows seemed deserved to me... certainly not the first. Everton enjoyed all the chances after the sending off. Alan Wiley cheated us of a chance to go through. I wonder what are the chances of Lucas' red being rescinded? ::)
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lol... Kicker, ent? :D
lol.
2nd one was a yellow. first one, no way.
Interestingly enough, if Liverpool were to launch a similar appeal - they would be turned down, because I believe Kev noted on another thread that rules prohibit a team from appealing a sending off from two yellows - only if it's a direct red.
Post by: sammy on February 06, 2009, 11:43:51 AM
Post by: Feliziano on February 06, 2009, 09:05:18 PM
Everton 1 - Liverpool 0 (AET)
Teenager Dan Gosling won the Merseyside FA Cup battle for Everton with a winner deep into extra-time to dump out 10-man Liverpool.
The 19-year-old from Plymouth, in only his fifth appearance for the club, scored in the 118th minute to finally break the spirit of 10-man Liverpool.
Everton now face Aston Villa in the fifth round on February 15.
Liverpool ended in disarray. Robbie Keane sold, Steven Gerrard limping away after just 16 minutes, while Fernando Torres was withdrawn, exhausted, in extra-time.
They had been facing defeat from the moment Lucas was sent-off with 14 minutes of normal time left.
The Brazilian midfielder became the 23rd player to be dismissed in Merseyside derbies, with 16 of those coming in the last 10 years.
It summed up a fourth-round replay that was a war of attrition from the start between sides meeting for the third time in 17 days.
Everton had Marouane Fellaini back from suspension after missing the two derbies last month, while Liverpool left out Javier Mascherano and Fabio Aurelio, utilising Lucas and Andrea Dossena.
A simmering disdain was obvious. A match that was once the friendly derby turned into a nasty, spiteful one.
Neither manager had helped in the build-up as they sniped away at each other.
Reds boss Rafael Benitez had moaned about Everton's defensive tactics and physical approach while David Moyes claimed Liverpool were treated leniently by officials while asking for referee Alan Wiley to take a firm stance.
On the pitch the atmosphere was no better, and the Staffordshire official needed to be right on top of things.
He booked Tim Cahill after just 19 minutes for a flaying arm into Jamie Carragher's face, and lectures were dished out to Xabi Alonso, Lucas, Fellaini and Steven Pienaar.
There had been disruption for both sides beforehand.
Everton left out Victor Anichebe from their squad following his training-ground bust-up with Moyes, while Liverpool were surely distracted by the Keane saga.
And with the ink barely dry on transfer forms that had taken him back to Spurs, it was predictable that Liverpool found need for the Irishman after just 16 minutes.
They suffered the a savage blow when Gerrard pulled up with a hamstring problem and was replaced by Yossi Benayoun. If Keane had been around he would have been the ideal replacement to play behind Torres.
As it was Dirk Kuyt was shifted into a more central role, and Liverpool had lost their driving inspiration.
Liverpool tried to impose their passing game on Everton, who responded in their usual way.
Pienaar was booked a foul on Lucas, while the only genuine shots in the first half came from Alonso with a 25-yarder that skidded wide, while Leon Osman volleyed over from the edge of the box.
The second period started with Benayoun and Kuyt switching roles while Phil Neville and Lucas both picked up bookings.
Everton were soon to lose the injured Fellaini, teenager Gosling taking over.
That left Everton without any real threat in the air, and they were forced into another change when Pienaar - who had seemed to be struggling with a hamstring problem - was replaced by youngster Jack Rodwell.
Tim Howard needed to make a decent smothering save when Alonso's angled pass sent Albert Riera into the box.
Mikel Arteta had been pushed forward to help Cahill, Everton's resources stretched almost to breaking point.
Chances were rare. A Gosling shot failed to worry Jose Reina, while Howard pulled down a Kuyt header.
Liverpool's own sloppiness eventually allowed Everton the best chance so far.
Possession was squandered and Arteta passed for Leon Osman to hit a post.
Arteta was booked for a foul on Riera, but after 76 minutes Liverpool were reduced to 10 men when Lucas's daft trip on Joleon Lescott gave Wiley no choice but to brandish a second yellow and then red.
Mascherano was soon sent on to shore up the centre, Riera being sacrificed.
The flow of cards continued. Alonso being cautioned for a foul on Tony Hibbert with a minute of normal time to go.
In the first period of extra-time, Everton penned Liverpool back, Cahill having two efforts wide and missing a Leighton Baines cross.
Osman also went close twice before Liverpool took off Torres - played off the park by Phil Jagielka - and sent on Ryan Babel.
Andy van der Meyde came on for Neville, Everton searching for the moment to break Liverpool's resistance. Hibbert became Everton's fifth booking for a foul on Alonso.
And in the 118th minute, Everton went ahead.
Van Der Meyde's cross from the right was controlled by Gosling on the left, and his deflected shot went in off the far post.
Cue mass hysteria.
Post by: Feliziano on February 06, 2009, 09:06:52 PM
Steven Gerrard will be out for three weeks after Liverpool confirmed he suffered a hamstring tear in Wednesday's FA Cup defeat at Everton.
The 28-year-old England star limped off 16 minutes into the Reds' fourth-round replay at Goodison Park and is now a doubt for the club's next two Premier League matches against Portsmouth and Manchester City.
A club spokesman said: "A scan has confirmed a tear in the hamstring of Steven's left leg. He will be out of action for about three weeks."
Gerrard may also miss the first leg of Liverpool's Champions League last-16 tie with Real Madrid, which is due to take place at the Bernabeu on February 25.
The news comes as a big disappointment for Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez, who has come under fire from fans and sections of the media for selling striker Robbie Keane to Tottenham on transfer deadline day for around £12million.
Benitez did not have time to bring in a replacement for the Republic of Ireland striker, and Gerrard's absence will further weaken the Spaniard's attacking options as Liverpool look to close the two-point gap on league leaders Manchester United, who have a game in hand.
Benitez is aware of the significant role Gerrard has in the team but now expects others to step up to cover his absence.
"He is an important player for us. It is always more difficult to play without him," Benitez said.
"You can't change things so it is better to concentrate on the next game.
"We have some problems with injuries and Portsmouth will be tough so we need players with fresh legs."
Post by: Feliziano on February 06, 2009, 09:15:04 PM
Reds aim to keep the pressure on United
Liverpool travel to Portsmouth on Saturday evening without Steven Gerrard aiming to keep their title bid on track.
The Reds can go back to the top of the table for 24 hours at least with victory at Fratton Park with Manchester United not in action until Sunday.
However, they will have to do it without skipper Gerrard after he was ruled out for three weeks with a hamstring injury he picked up in the FA Cup replay defeat to Everton.
In Gerrard's absence Dirk Kuyt could be switched from his right-sided role into a more attacking position alongside Fernando Torres.
Lucas Leiva is missing for the visitors through suspension following his sending off in midweek.
Javier Mascherano will replace Lucas in midfield having started the game at Everton on the bench.
Reds boss Rafa Benitez could decide to shuffle his pack as he looks for some fresh legs following the draining extra-time defeat to Everton.
Fabio Aurelio is expected to return at left-back in place of Andrea Dossena after the Brazilian was rested in midweek.
Post by: Mango Chow! on February 07, 2009, 02:03:13 AM
Nice finish. Everton deserves to go through.
It really was... even with the apparent touch by Skrtl.
Neither of Lucas' yellows seemed deserved to me... certainly not the first. Everton enjoyed all the chances after the sending off. Alan Wiley cheated us of a chance to go through. I wonder what are the chances of Lucas' red being rescinded? ::)
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lol... Kicker, ent? :D
lol.
2nd one was a yellow. first one, no way.
Interestingly enough, if Liverpool were to launch a similar appeal - they would be turned down, because I believe Kev noted on another thread that rules prohibit a team from appealing a sending off from two yellows - only if it's a direct red.
.....and how de HELL it is dat Lescott get away wit dat full-flying, studs-up tackle on Torres? That is what is wrong with english football rite dey. I eh sorry for liverpool, but the lack of consistency of the officiating in this league rel jokey oui.
Post by: fishs on February 07, 2009, 04:14:05 AM
Everton will rule again.
Jus need forwards
Post by: rotatopoti3 on February 07, 2009, 06:48:50 AM
Yuh want to see meh take dis fish outta water.... :devil:
Post by: capodetutticapi on February 07, 2009, 11:32:51 AM
Post by: Bakes on February 07, 2009, 11:51:05 AM
Like what ah seeing outta Dossena and Benayoun so far.
'Pool playing all over Portsmouth so far.
Post by: kicker on February 07, 2009, 12:48:47 PM
Not intentional but hand far enough away from his body for it to be a worthy shout...
Post by: sammy on February 07, 2009, 12:51:12 PM
Post by: Bakes on February 07, 2009, 12:52:15 PM
so babel is plan b?
Plan B juss facking fail...brilliant set up by Benayoun and Kuyt.
Post by: Bakes on February 07, 2009, 12:54:08 PM
Post by: sammy on February 07, 2009, 12:54:30 PM
so babel is plan b?
Plan B juss facking fail...brilliant set up by Benayoun and Kuyt.
yeah boy......torres woulda fly if stretching to get that.
Post by: kicker on February 07, 2009, 12:54:50 PM
nice finish though a hint of offside.
Post by: sammy on February 07, 2009, 12:55:12 PM
Post by: sammy on February 07, 2009, 12:56:42 PM
Post by: Tenorsaw on February 07, 2009, 12:57:34 PM
Post by: sammy on February 07, 2009, 01:03:11 PM
Post by: Bakes on February 07, 2009, 01:03:35 PM
Babel is a shit snake..Needs to go this summer
I ent ready to give up on him yet... but he didn't show me anything today. Not sure what shape Rafa was playing today.
Good answer by Liverpool to draw level though.
Post by: Bakes on February 07, 2009, 01:10:36 PM
poor defending.
Post by: sammy on February 07, 2009, 01:11:00 PM
Post by: D.H.W on February 07, 2009, 01:16:23 PM
;D :devil: :rotfl: :beermug:
that pretty much sums it up :D
Post by: kicker on February 07, 2009, 01:18:19 PM
atrocious defending...schoolboy stuff...
Post by: Bakes on February 07, 2009, 01:21:41 PM
Post by: kicker on February 07, 2009, 01:24:36 PM
Post by: Bakes on February 07, 2009, 01:24:42 PM
Pompey gifted this result so far to Liverpool...
atrocious defending...schoolboy stuff...
Gifted nothing... had Babel delivered on the sitter we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Torres with the winner.
Post by: sammy on February 07, 2009, 01:24:57 PM
Post by: mukumsplau on February 07, 2009, 01:25:35 PM
Post by: Bakes on February 07, 2009, 01:26:59 PM
Big teams know how to win games....full stop.
Yuh boy Benayoun again doh...
Post by: Tenorsaw on February 07, 2009, 01:27:53 PM
Big teams know how to win games....full stop.
Well said. But Babel is still a shithong...We need more quality and depth
Post by: Tenorsaw on February 07, 2009, 01:29:00 PM
Post by: kicker on February 07, 2009, 01:29:58 PM
Pompey gifted this result so far to Liverpool...
atrocious defending...schoolboy stuff...
Gifted nothing... had Babel delivered on the sitter we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Torres with the winner.
Besides the point- the first two goals were gifts...period
that's how yuh dig out wins on the road though- pick yuh spots & take yuh chances however they come.
glad for the L'pool win- keeps the league interesting- feel it for Adams though.
Yuh boy Benayoun again doh...
You will some day become a believer ;D
Post by: dinho on February 07, 2009, 01:33:08 PM
Post by: Bakes on February 07, 2009, 01:36:54 PM
You will some day become a believer ;D
It take more than two sprinkle ah water on mih forrid tuh convert me and make mih ah believer... I need ah Pentecostal full body immersion ;D
He seems to be responding to the added playing time though... not automatic, but it shows what confidence in a player from the manager can do for his performance.
Post by: Filho on February 07, 2009, 01:41:25 PM
Ah really feel Torres is the best pure striker in Europe. De man is poison. Ah corbeau sweat and he still do it.
Like dat player. But he is only the 2nd best striker from Spain.
Post by: boss on February 07, 2009, 01:47:05 PM
Post by: Tenorsaw on February 07, 2009, 01:56:05 PM
Ah really feel Torres is the best pure striker in Europe. De man is poison. Ah corbeau sweat and he still do it.
Like dat player. But he is only the 2nd best striker from Spain.
Torres over Villa for me...
Post by: sammy on February 07, 2009, 02:04:13 PM
Ah really feel Torres is the best pure striker in Europe. De man is poison. Ah corbeau sweat and he still do it.
yeah but he deserve better than liverpool though
dat aside, u have to give rafa credit for getting him. liverpool needed a striker for the longest while.
Post by: Feliziano on February 07, 2009, 02:06:15 PM
Dramatic finale as Reds pinch points
Fernando Torres came off the bench to score an injury-time winner as Liverpool won 3-2 at Portsmouth to send them top of the Premier League.
Torres only came on with 15 minutes to go and by that time his side were chasing victory after David Nugent's opener (62) had been cancelled out by Fabio Aurelio (69).
Hermann Hreidarsson then headed Pompey back into the lead with just 12 minutes remaining, after latching onto a dangerous free-kick into the box.
The Spain striker then set up Dirk Kuyt (85) before heading home in stoppage-time.
It proved to be a masterstroke for Rafael Benitez to leave Torres on the bench - but it was the closest of calls.
Torres was tired towards the end of the midweek FA Cup defeat to Everton and has international duty this week when Spain face England - but he was still fit enough to be among the substitutes at Fratton Park.
His cameo has put the psychological pressure on Manchester United as Liverpool overtake Sir Alex Ferguson's men at the summit before their match at West Ham this weekend.
The spotlight was inevitably on Benitez for his brave move.
He offloaded Robbie Keane back to Tottenham, then saw talisman Steven Gerrard injured with a hamstring strain - so resting a matchwinner like Torres for 75 minutes was a huge gamble.
Keane would have been almost certain to have played against Pompey if he was still at the club, but instead French youngster David Ngog endured a miserable first league start.
Torres was not the only change, with Benitez radically altering his team and leaving the likes of Albert Riera, Xabi Alonso and Kuyt on the bench.
He also started with three centre-backs and at first the formation looked shaky when Nugent and Peter Crouch got a couple of shots away.
But Pompey were still struggling for confidence as they looked to end a run of failing to win a league game since November - and even a second string Liverpool were bound to create chances.
Pompey goalkeeper David James, equalling Gary Speed's Premier League record of 535 appearances, was left stranded when Liverpool put their first purposeful move together.
Alvaro Arbeloa's cross from the right found Yossi Benayoun unmarked in the penalty area but his finish went into the side-netting after James had slipped.
James would have had no chance either when Aurelio's free-kick curled just wide of the upright. The Brazilian was off target again in the 17th minute when Ngog's cross found its way behind the Pompey defence.
Javier Mascherano is not known for his goalscoring but he had James at full stretch when he was given room 30 yards from goal, with the Pompey stopper diverting the effort for a corner.
Ngog's evening came to an end before the hour mark, with Kuyt brought on for the visitors - and it nearly brought an instant reward.
Benayoun breezed past Hreidarsson and Sylvain Distin before laying the ball off to Kuyt. The substitute crossed to leave an open goal for Ryan Babel from three yards out - but the winger somehow managed to nutmeg himself as he finished.
Nugent made Liverpool pay with his 62nd-minute opener. Crouch had held the ball up before playing a reverse ball to his strike partner, who slotted his finish calmly past Reina.
It was a sweet strike for the Evertonian, who taunted Liverpool fans in the first half about their FA Cup defeat this week.
Liverpool's way back into the match came after an awful backpass from Crouch.
James had to handle to stop Kuyt from finishing, with Webb alert to the offence. Alonso, on as a substitute, tapped the ball for Aurelio to smash into the bottom corner.
Kuyt had the ball in the net but was harshly given offside after racing onto Aurelio's throughball.
Torres came on for the last quarter of an hour for Babel, but Pompey were ahead again with 12 minutes remaining.
Nadir Belhadj swung over a free-kick after Glen Johnson was fouled, with Hreidarsson losing his marker and heading past a wrongfooted Reina.
Kuyt levelled in the 85th minute after Torres crossed from the right and the Dutchman finished into James' near post.
Then came the final twist, with Torres' powerful header from Benayoun's cross finding a way past James.
Post by: Feliziano on February 07, 2009, 02:15:24 PM
Was nice to see we changed our formation due to inury/susepnsions therefore I wasn't totally shocked by the team selection either.
Also even though we conceded 2 sloppy goals, the 3 centreback formation still looked solid.
Instead of using the 3-4-2-1, we coulda played with Benayoun behind Babel and Eggnog instead.
This game showed that Dossena is an absolute shithound when attacking, look how much time and space he had today..steups..is best El Zhar did get a start today.
Eggnog is a work in progress, so i will give him 1 more seson to get up to scratch.
Babel on the other hand has to decide whether he want to be a winger or a forward cause he does the wrong things at the wrong time.
Come on West Ham!!
Post by: Filho on February 07, 2009, 09:26:41 PM
Ah really feel Torres is the best pure striker in Europe. De man is poison. Ah corbeau sweat and he still do it.
Like dat player. But he is only the 2nd best striker from Spain.
Torres over Villa for me...
Yeah..everyone different. Torres is class, but Villa is a far more prolific striker in la Liga than Torres ever was and he is a better striker than Torres in the Spanish national team....hands down. And I not just talking goals scored. I rate El Nino, but he looks better in a Liverpool shirt than he does for Spain or when he was at Atletico Madrid. You could argue he is improving, but even during and after his first wonder season with Liverpool, Villa would look a different class from him in the Spanish national team. Since Villa has never played in the EPL, I'd have to say, from a club football point of view, Torres has more proven versatility, and his physique suggests he'd be better as a lone striker than Villa would be..but on the two levels where you can compare like for like (La Liga and the Spanish National team), David Villa is visibly better...or at the very least...far more prolific, which is what I assumed you meant by 'pure' striker..aka..natural goalscorer
Post by: giggsy11 on February 07, 2009, 09:36:05 PM
Ah really feel Torres is the best pure striker in Europe. De man is poison. Ah corbeau sweat and he still do it.
Eto.
Post by: Tenorsaw on February 07, 2009, 10:59:41 PM
I liked the fight we actually put up today after going behind.
Was nice to see we changed our formation due to inury/susepnsions therefore I wasn't totally shocked by the team selection either.
Also even though we conceded 2 sloppy goals, the 3 centreback formation still looked solid.
Instead of using the 3-4-2-1, we coulda played with Benayoun behind Babel and Eggnog instead.
This game showed that Dossena is an absolute shithound when attacking, look how much time and space he had today..steups..is best El Zhar did get a start today.
Eggnog is a work in progress, so i will give him 1 more seson to get up to scratch.
Babel on the other hand has to decide whether he want to be a winger or a forward cause he does the wrong things at the wrong time.
Come on West Ham!!
Rafa find a way to accommodate his three center backs, who have all made their claim to start. Agger is obviously the best on the ball. He has a great touch and nice passing range and vision for a center back. We need to keep him, cause Milan will come hunting in the summer.
Post by: capodetutticapi on February 07, 2009, 11:05:43 PM
Post by: Bakes on February 07, 2009, 11:51:02 PM
fernando really earn he money last 2 games.
Imagine if we had him available all season... chances are he would have made a difference in one of those 7 1-point matches.
Rafa is stilll ah c**t.
Post by: rotatopoti3 on February 08, 2009, 12:01:38 AM
Yuh knoe ah goe have tuh agree with yuh Bakes...we coulda be at least 8 pts ahead of Manure by now if Keane was gettin play
Post by: capodetutticapi on February 08, 2009, 12:02:14 AM
is this mutiny?fernando really earn he money last 2 games.
Imagine if we had him available all season... chances are he would have made a difference in one of those 7 1-point matches.
Rafa is stilll ah c**t.
Post by: Bakes on February 08, 2009, 01:10:29 AM
Yuh knoe ah goe have tuh agree with yuh Bakes...we coulda be at least 8 pts ahead of Manure by now if Keane was gettin play
is this mutiny?
If allyuh notice dred, I doh really get into criticizing coaches and thing like dat. There's a reason why dem men and dem coaching and I posting on ah messageboard. That said, I find that man does manage in a real baffling way then. You think if was some other manager man like Riise would be in Rome now? I find he real hamstring Pennant while he was with the club... he stifle Babel's development, insist on playing mediocre men like Alonso and de Brazilian in name only, Aurelio.
And den de topper was his mishandling of Keane! I mean I understand that he wasn't behind de signing... but Robbie Keane is ah big player, there's no way you can't find room for that man on yuh team. His is the type of veteran leadership that would have complemented Gerrard perfectly in the locker room... unless there was stuff going on behind the scenes that we not privy to, I doh understand why he couldn't make that work. I real embarrass for how Keane get treated, no lie. That leave ah real sour taste in my mouth where he concerned.
Post by: kaliman2006 on February 08, 2009, 09:37:06 AM
http://blogs.soccernet.com/paperround/archives/2009/02/rafa_must_win_title_or_go.php
Rafa must win title or go
Posted by Dom Raynor 3 hours, 53 minutes ago
Liverpool manager Rafa Benitez has been told he needs to win the Premier League title to save his job by club co-owner George Gillett, according to the Sunday Express.
On a rare visit to Merseyside Gillett let it be known that he blamed Rafa's rant against Sir Alex Ferguson for Liverpool's slump in form and has demanded that the Spaniard rectify the situation.
Gillett, who refuses to bow to Benitez’s demands for complete control over transfer policy before agreeing to a new four-year contract, also believes that the Liverpool boss likes to be constantly linked with other big jobs.
Meanwhile, one of the Premier League's top referees has revealed that some of the game's top stars ask to get booked so they can skive off games and go on holiday, report The News of the World.
The astonishing betrayal of fans by prima donna players was exposed by top Premier League ref Steve Bennett. The league's bosses have now launched a probe into the claims and said: "We will be asking Bennett for an explanation."
Former Tottenham Hotspur manager Juande Ramos has told The People that he warned chairman Daniel Levy that selling Robbie Keane and Dimitar Berbatov was "too risky".
Spurs cashed in on their prized assets last summer, selling Keane to Liverpool and Berbatov to Man United but have since re-signed Keane, along with Jermain Defoe and Pascal Chimbonda.
Ramos said: "It was too risky but they paid no attention to me and things turned out badly. That is where my problems at Spurs started."
The Keane debacle is also the focus of the Sunday Telegraph, who claim the Republic of Ireland striker will retain his "pride" with a dignified silence on his thoughts about Benitez and his rough ride at Liverpool.
Keane, who returned to Tottenham on the final day of the transfer window following six unhappy months on Merseyside, said: "I'm one of those respectful persons - and I'm not getting into a slagging match."
England manager Fabio Capello has handed on-loan AC Milan midfielder David Beckham the chance to equal Bobby Moore's 108 cap record if selected to play in the friendly against Spain in Seville on 11 February, report The Observer.
Also in the England squad is Everton defender Phil Jagielka, who expertly marked Fernando Torres during his side's victory against Liverpool. However perhaps the most shocking inclusion is that of the West Ham forward Carlton Cole, who has fired in front of goal recently, scoring six times in the past seven games.
The Sunday Mirror report that Luiz Felipe Scolari's love affair with the Chelsea fans is well and truly over after they turned on him following the Blues 0-0 draw with Hull City at Stamford Bridge.
The Brazilian boss was jeered with chants of "you don't know what you're doing".
And finally, the News of the World claim that a trio of Arsenal stars will quit the Emirates if Arsene Wenger's side miss out on Champions League football.
Robin van Persie, Emmanuel Adebayor and Cesc Fabregas are all increasingly concerned at Arsenal's lack of silverware and ambition - and the final straw will come if they finish outside the top four.
Comments
Posted by Ashim Sachdev 4 hours, 2 minutes ago
Sod George Gillet. there's one man to do this job and it is Rafa. Instead of doing so much of the talking, George Gillet and Tom Hicks should sell up. It's time for them to leave and be left out for good.
Posted by dandyxon 3 hours, 48 minutes ago
Man Utd have the greatest style of football. United will win both the Premier League title, Champions League, FA Cup & Carling Cup as well. We have a very good and understanding manager who knows how to tackle the team with goos results.
Posted by Zola 3 hours, 36 minutes ago
Fire Rafa now, he has been horrible this year and needs to go. Sorry, but draws won't win you the title.
Posted by Stasi Prandalos 3 hours, 23 minutes ago
The Liverpool Amercian shareholders have created a mess, their troubles & pending financial problems have no doubt affected Rafa Benitez- it will become increasingly difficult for him to compartmentalize these issues and manage the team with all his energy, passion and commitment and then have at the same time have to deal with the confusion they are bringing on - his outbourst on Sir Alex Ferguson is a clear sign of the stress building up within him as he is now so close to winning the Permier League and having to deal with the American Shareholders problems, their rivalry.Liverpool need total stability & consistency at Shareholder/Board level with this they will win the Premier League.
Posted by shayan 3 hours, 19 minutes ago
guess we are going to say bye bye to rafa then. Lol
Posted by Wyn Sutuntivorakoon 3 hours, 18 minutes ago
gotta feel sorry for Arsenal. All their top stars left and they're forced to play most of their youth players. If Robin Van Persie, Fabregas, and Adebayor leave Arsenal have no way in being in Champions League football unless they buy some real quality players during the summer transfer window.
Posted by E M Muga 3 hours, 2 minutes ago
Benitez can't win the title! The way he played against Pompey.......if he play the same to Arsenal or Man United or Aston Villa.......he will be beaten by no less than 4 goals....
Posted by Togarmah Neslon 2 hours, 54 minutes ago
I believe that Arsenal will lift a silverware again. it May not be this year but next season defiantly. Arsen need to star buying STAR players if he wants to win a championship next season.
Posted by MattyP 2 hours, 43 minutes ago
Rafa has spent alot of money and fair enough if he doesn't win it this year he should go, You can win titles in spain and you can win the champions league but the premier league is the hardest league of them all. He has had five years of spending and building the rafalution this year all or nothing.
Posted by Amir Ezwan 2 hours, 21 minutes ago
No doubt Man Utd will win all the major trophies this year.
Posted by Torres09 2 hours, 17 minutes ago
Ashim Sachdev, I agree, if they don't sell soon they will have the fans to answer to. Zola, you must have been smoking something illegal my friend. Rafa's is the best thing to hit Liverpool since the 80's but I bet you are not a fan.
Posted by Aditya 1 hour, 50 minutes ago
@Matty
Mate, he has still spent less than Chelsea and Manchester United in terms of NET AMOUNT spent. Arsenal is the only team which has made a profit, but look where they are right now. Chelsea, for all the money spent, is in 4th place! We're challenging for top spot having spent around a net amount of 8 million pounds now that we've sold Keane. The only addition has been Riera as Dossena hasn't been a regular. If he reploughs that 16 million pounds for next season, imagine how much we'll benefit.
And finally, THIS STORY IS TOSH because Guilleme Ballague, one of the most reputed Spanish journalists has claimed that Rafa is close to signing a new deal and this was agreed to by BOTH OWNERS.
Posted by Lex 1 hour, 48 minutes ago
Arsenal stars to quit if they miss out on Champions league football? Aren't they the players who are supposed to carry us into the Champions league? Just know that if you quit Arsenal then that is the beginning of the end for your career.
Posted by MyTeam 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
If all club owners have the same attitude as George Gillett, there will be only one manager left in the premier league come May 2009. Congratulations Sir Alex.
Posted by Dave 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
seems like a silly threat, especially if Hicks is on Rafa's side. i mean, if that's the case, and the two seem to be at odds on almost everything to do with the club, the threat of sacking him is moot.
Posted by Joseph 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
Yankee boss to Rafa: "Win title or you go"
Liverpool fans to Yankees: "Go, and Rafa will win the title.."
Posted by jagjit 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
Chelsea should start getting a new manager immeadiately as Luiz is no way going to get them anywhere
Post by: Cantona007 on February 08, 2009, 10:00:20 AM
Yuh knoe ah goe have tuh agree with yuh Bakes...we coulda be at least 8 pts ahead of Manure by now if Keane was gettin playis this mutiny?
If allyuh notice dred, I doh really get into criticizing coaches and thing like dat. There's a reason why dem men and dem coaching and I posting on ah messageboard. That said, I find that man does manage in a real baffling way then. You think if was some other manager man like Riise would be in Rome now? I find he real hamstring Pennant while he was with the club... he stifle Babel's development, insist on playing mediocre men like Alonso and de Brazilian in name only, Aurelio.
And den de topper was his mishandling of Keane! I mean I understand that he wasn't behind de signing... but Robbie Keane is ah big player, there's no way you can't find room for that man on yuh team. His is the type of veteran leadership that would have complemented Gerrard perfectly in the locker room... unless there was stuff going on behind the scenes that we not privy to, I doh understand why he couldn't make that work. I real embarrass for how Keane get treated, no lie. That leave ah real sour taste in my mouth where he concerned.
If 'pool wins the league this year it will be by luck/fate, because Rafa really is a goat! I wonder if this will matter to 'pool fans though... I suspect all will be forgiven.
BTW, Alonso, Benayoun and Babel are absolutely necessary for Liverpool's title challenge, and all have been mis-handled by the fat...Spanish...waiter.
Post by: Feliziano on February 19, 2009, 02:51:31 PM
Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard could make a surprise return from his hamstring injury against Manchester City on Sunday.
The England midfielder suffered the tear in the Merseyside derby on February 4 and was initially expected to be out for three weeks - with the Champions League clash with Real Madrid thought to be his most likely target.
Now Reds manager Rafael Benitez, whose side rely on Gerrard's surging runs and goals from behind the striker, has opened the door for a potential return from the bench at the weekend.
The Spaniard said Gerrard had reacted well to treatment and was eager to get back on the pitch as soon as possible.
"He is improving. In these situations each day is important. He is working with the medical staff and is progressing.
"Normally he is a player who recovers quickly. He needs less time than other players," Benitez told the club's official website.
"I was surprised because the Spanish press said he'd play some minutes this weekend and then play against Real Madrid, but the truth is we don't know yet.
"Maybe he could be on the bench against City but we don't know.
"He wants to play every single game. He knows the game against City will be very important, and also the Real Madrid one too."
Rafa please take it easy with Stevie G nah
Post by: Feliziano on February 19, 2009, 02:55:19 PM
Liverpool defender Daniel Agger claims he could walk out on the club if he remains on the fringes of the first-team at Anfield.
Agger has found himself down the pecking order under Rafael Benitez, with Jamie Carragher and Martin Skrtel the manager's preferred partnership in the heart of defence.
The 24-year-old Denmark international, who has failed to agree terms on a contract extension with the club, was linked with a move to AC Milan during last month's transfer window but that deal failed to materialise.
Hopes that Agger will commit his future to Liverpool are fast fading, and it has been reported he will try to buy out the rest of his contract in the summer.
"Let me be honest and admit that, if I don't play, then it's untenable and it can't go on like that," Agger told Sporten.dk.
"It's never nice for a footballer to not play regularly. That is something I will not hide. But my situation at the club is that he [Benitez] doesn't want to let me play.
"So far I have opted to stay and wait for my chance and to fight for my place.
"I feel I am good enough. Therefore, it irritates me when I don't play. I am waiting for the chance to play a number of matches and to show that I am good enough."
Come on Liverpool Board..give de man a new contract.
Rafa..play de blasted man cause he is one of the best ball playing centre backs in de League.
Post by: Tenorsaw on February 19, 2009, 03:06:15 PM
Desperate Dan in Reds demand
Liverpool defender Daniel Agger claims he could walk out on the club if he remains on the fringes of the first-team at Anfield.
Agger has found himself down the pecking order under Rafael Benitez, with Jamie Carragher and Martin Skrtel the manager's preferred partnership in the heart of defence.
The 24-year-old Denmark international, who has failed to agree terms on a contract extension with the club, was linked with a move to AC Milan during last month's transfer window but that deal failed to materialise.
Hopes that Agger will commit his future to Liverpool are fast fading, and it has been reported he will try to buy out the rest of his contract in the summer.
"Let me be honest and admit that, if I don't play, then it's untenable and it can't go on like that," Agger told Sporten.dk.
"It's never nice for a footballer to not play regularly. That is something I will not hide. But my situation at the club is that he [Benitez] doesn't want to let me play.
"So far I have opted to stay and wait for my chance and to fight for my place.
"I feel I am good enough. Therefore, it irritates me when I don't play. I am waiting for the chance to play a number of matches and to show that I am good enough."
Come on Liverpool Board..give de man a new contract.
Rafa..play de blasted man cause he is one of the best ball playing centre backs in de League.
Agreed. Don't know why he keeps pairing Carragher with Skrtel, cause they are essentially two of the same. You need that mix, and I haven't seen a better passing center back that Agger in all Europe. His touch and vision are so good for a center back. No surprise that Milan want him badly.
Post by: Daft Trini on February 19, 2009, 04:34:40 PM
Dedicated to all the Liver fool fans.....
Post by: Tenorsaw on February 21, 2009, 03:22:47 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE7jalZbisk&feature=related
Dedicated to all the Liver fool fans.....
Fyuk you...lol
Post by: D.H.W on February 21, 2009, 03:55:34 PM
Post by: Bakes on February 22, 2009, 10:12:19 AM
steups...
Post by: kicker on February 22, 2009, 10:16:56 AM
Absolute... f**kkin... disaster.
steups...
plenty football still to play.
Post by: Bakes on February 22, 2009, 10:22:36 AM
Absolute... f**kkin... disaster.
steups...
plenty football still to play.
yeah, but now we have to score two.
The way this team squandered chances in the first half I knew something like this would happen.
Post by: boss on February 22, 2009, 10:41:22 AM
Post by: D.H.W on February 22, 2009, 10:56:50 AM
Post by: D.H.W on February 22, 2009, 10:57:52 AM
Post by: Bakes on February 22, 2009, 11:00:22 AM
Disappointing result... but that's what you get for not taking full advantage of your chances. Shea Givens earned his keep today, the types of saves we forced him into puts the game in perspective... good efforts all around in the end. Still, wasn't until after Aurelio came on in the 60th that we seemed to find our way. City defenders benefitted from two non-calls when the ball was handled twice, once near the edge of, once in the penalty area. Neither of them appeared deliberate though... but still, all the breaks went their way.
Post by: capodetutticapi on February 22, 2009, 11:20:39 AM
Post by: Bakes on February 22, 2009, 02:35:13 PM
ah miss de blasted game,but what ah scoreline.news to wake up to.bakes all yuh have to look forward to is dimanche gras now. ;)
I still have 'bago on Friday and 10 days in TnT... haul yuh ass >:(
Post by: capodetutticapi on February 22, 2009, 02:37:49 PM
yuh really need this vacation to ease yuh stress.ah miss de blasted game,but what ah scoreline.news to wake up to.bakes all yuh have to look forward to is dimanche gras now. ;)
I still have 'bago on Friday and 10 days in TnT... haul yuh ass >:(
Post by: Daft Trini on February 22, 2009, 03:34:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE7jalZbisk&feature=related
Dedicated to all the Liver fool fans.....
Fyuk you...lol
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
it looking so..... :beermug:
Post by: Bakes on February 22, 2009, 04:58:00 PM
yuh really need this vacation to ease yuh stress.ah miss de blasted game,but what ah scoreline.news to wake up to.bakes all yuh have to look forward to is dimanche gras now. ;)
I still have 'bago on Friday and 10 days in TnT... haul yuh ass >:(
Stress?
Nah man I's not allyuh... dat game behind me long time ;)
Post by: boss on February 25, 2009, 06:54:07 AM
Goodbye Rafa? Bookies suspend betting on Liverpool boss Benítez quitting Anfield
By Sportsmail Reporter
Last updated at 12:18 PM on 25th February 2009
Rafa Benítez's future at Liverpool has been thrown into doubt after leading bookmakers suspended betting on him quitting Anfield.
Uncertainty has surrounded the Reds manager after he rejected the latest contract offer from owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett last week.
The 48-year-old wants total control of transfers but has yet to be offered that guarantee.
Benítez is under serious pressure at Anfield after slipping seven points behind leaders Manchester United in the Barclays Premier League title race.
Benítez's remarkable outburst against United boss Mr. Ferguson over the festive period hinted that the pressure of delivering Liverpool's first league title for 19 years.
And the strain appeared to be telling once again last night when the Liverpool manager spoke in the Spanish capital ahead of tonight's last 16 Champions League clash with Real Madrid.
A spokesman for William Hill said they were awaiting a statement from Liverpool before reopening the market.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1155222/Goodbye-Rafa-Bookies-suspend-betting-Liverpool-boss-Benítez-quitting-Anfield.html
Post by: Feliziano on February 25, 2009, 10:05:17 PM
Real stunned by Yossi's late header
Rafa Benitez masterminded another tremendous European triumph as Liverpool confounded the odds with a 1-0 win over Real Madrid in the Bernabeu.
Whatever the Liverpool manager's future is after months of rumours, he did his cause no harm at all thanks to Yossi Benayoun's headed winner in their Champions League last-16 first-leg tie.
Benitez has coached Liverpool to remarkable performances away to Juventus, Barcelona, Arsenal, Inter Milan and Chelsea in recent seasons in the Champions League, but this was by far the most impressive.
Real have been rampant of late and unbeaten this year, but Liverpool dug deep and Benayoun headed the late winner to give his side every chance of progressing to the quarter-finals.
Despite days of intensive treatment, Steven Gerrard did not make the starting XI, the midfielder initially left on the bench.
It meant Jamie Carragher captained the side with Benayoun on the right of midfield and Dirk Kuyt pushed forward in support of Fernando Torres.
Gerrard's absence was a bad blow but confirmed how Benitez would play the first leg. Contained defence, a combative and mobile midfield and hard running were the order of the day.
In the opening exchanges there was a calmness about Liverpool in this intimidating arena, five tiers of fervent passion pouring down in support of Real.
They defended with discipline and long before the break Real were trying their luck from distance.
The Spanish champions, who had scored 10 goals in their last two games, still had their moments.
Arjen Robben's pass gave Raul the chance of a shot on the turn held by Jose Reina, while Brazilian Marcelo also tested the goalkeeper.
And it took a fine saving tackle by Carragher on Gonzalo Higuain to snuff out another dangerous moment.
But the longer the game went on, the more Liverpool seemed in control defensively.
It also saw them coming out on the break and Torres should have done better after 20 minutes as he was allowed to run onto a Reina long clearance, but Iker Casillas palmed away a shot across the face of the goal.
Casillas then got a firm block on Benayoun close-range shot as Liverpool sought to snatch something from a period of growing confidence.
Higuain thought he had scored with a close-range header, only to be rightly penalised for offside, before Marcelo and Robben, twice, tried their luck unsuccessfully from outside the box.
Real had most of the possession but it was Spanish international Xabi Alonso who almost broke the deadlock with an audacious shot from inside his own half.
The midfielder is famous for such effrontery, once scoring a similar goal at Luton, but this time Casillas had to scramble back to touch the effort over the bar.
Madrid sent on Guti for Marcelo at the break, with Fabio Cannavaro booked for a foul on Dirk Kuyt soon after the restart.
Liverpool had not allowed Real to indulge themselves with the expansive game that has swept so many aside of late. Javier Mascherano's snap and drive in midfield was the yardstick for others to follow.
Torres, kept under close control by Cannavaro, was booked for a swipe at Lassana Diarra's ankles, the game now stretched as both sides searched for the vital breakthrough.
Benitez, never one to be bothered about reputations, then replaced a disappointing Torres with Ryan Babel after 62 minutes, to predictable derision from the home fans at
the former Atletico Madrid man.
Mascherano was next into the book for a foul on Fernando Gago, Reina yet to have a serious shot to save in the half.
That was to come after 70 minutes when Reina touched over a dipping drive from Robben, Madrid starting to show more urgency as the minutes ticked away.
However, Liverpool were still comfortable and things got even better with eight minutes left.
Gabriel Heinze's foul on Kuyt gave Fabio Aurelio the opportunity to curl in a free-kick that Benayoun headed past Casillas from six yards.
Benayoun was engulfed by his jubilant team-mates and way up above them, 3,000 Liverpool fans erupted.
Albert Riera was booked, and then taken off injured, allowing Gerrard into the fray with three minutes left and Lucas replaced Kuyt in the final seconds, the game now won.
Post by: Feliziano on February 25, 2009, 10:09:10 PM
Middlesbrough next on the agenda.
Post by: capodetutticapi on February 25, 2009, 10:09:17 PM
Post by: WestCoast on February 27, 2009, 05:42:32 PM
by JOHN EDWARDS
Last updated at 9:53 AM on 27th February 2009
Jose Mourinho has been sounded out about the Liverpool manager’s post amid continuing doubts over Rafa Benitez’s Anfield future.
Sportsmail understands that the former Chelsea manager is growing increasingly disenchanted at Inter Milan and has been made aware by intermediaries — albeit unofficial — of potential interest from Liverpool, should Benitez leave.
Despite heading for the Serie A title in his first season at San Siro, Mourinho has indicated to advisers he would welcome a return to the Barclays Premier League. Taking charge of Manchester United is his main objective, and he is believed to have been earmarked as an eventual replacement for Sir Alex Ferguson, possibly at the end of next season.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/02/26/article-0-00800998000004B0-211_468x441.jpg) Sounded out: Liverpool would consider an approach for Jose Mourinho should Rafa Benitez leave the club
Liverpool maintain a compromise can be found with Benitez but are likely to consider an approach for Mourinho should they fail to resolve their contract impasse.
The Liverpool manager tried to play down concerns over his position in the wake of Wednesday’s Champions League win at Real Madrid, and is still exploring ways of reaching an agreement.
Spanish sources have increased the uncertainty, though, by claiming he feels increasingly isolated and is beginning to question whether he still has unequivocal backing from the dressing room.
Mourinho, who figured prominently on Liverpool’s wanted list when Gerard Houllier was sacked, is clearly in the thoughts of co-owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett as they bid to find common ground with Benitez.
Talks between lawyers and advisers over contentious clauses in a proposed four-and-a-half-year deal resumed on Wednesday but again failed to satisfy all parties.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/02/26/article-0-009A9E1700000578-145_468x356.jpg)
Endorsement: Javier Mascherano
Benitez’s leadership qualities have been given a ringing endorsement by Javier Mascherano, who described how the former Valencia coach had effectively saved his career.
Argentina’s new captain said: ‘It is hard to explain how much Rafa has done for my career and how much he means to me. When I came to Liverpool, I had no confidence left at all, because I simply had not been playing for West Ham.
‘All I can say to Rafa is thank you. He has taken me from the lowest point in my career to this. Now everything I do is not only for the team but for Rafa as well.
‘I am delighted he has said he is staying.’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1156732/Former-Chelsea-boss-Mourinho-Anfield-radar-Benitez-leaves-Liverpool.html#
Post by: WestCoast on February 28, 2009, 09:52:19 AM
it showing that Middlesbrough have a 1-0 lead ;D
Post by: NYtriniwhiteboy.. on February 28, 2009, 10:25:29 AM
Post by: giggsy11 on February 28, 2009, 10:26:33 AM
something wrong wid my reception here
it showing that Middlesbrough have a 1-0 lead ;D
Mine must be worse, because it showing dem leading 2-nil :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Post by: WestCoast on February 28, 2009, 10:26:58 AM
make that 2-0....liverpool throw way some good chancesthey better play like that on tuesday
Post by: Daft Trini on February 28, 2009, 10:44:52 AM
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on February 28, 2009, 11:10:18 AM
bye bye liverpool
Post by: sammy on February 28, 2009, 11:30:42 AM
they gone awol? just like their title hopes
:rotfl:
Post by: RedDevils on February 28, 2009, 12:01:06 PM
Post by: D.H.W on February 28, 2009, 12:11:26 PM
where the supporters?
they gone awol? just like their title hopes
:rotfl:
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Post by: dinho on February 28, 2009, 12:15:31 PM
Post by: capodetutticapi on February 28, 2009, 02:27:03 PM
Post by: giggsy11 on February 28, 2009, 05:13:30 PM
Post by: sammy on February 28, 2009, 07:12:03 PM
hello hello hello hello hello hello hello hello
where are the liverpool
Post by: WestCoast on February 28, 2009, 07:30:17 PM
hello hello hello hello hello hello hello hello
where are the liverpoolmenboys boys boys boysboys boys boys
aaaaahhh hahahaha
:rotfl: :rotfl:
Post by: D.H.W on February 28, 2009, 07:43:27 PM
Post by: capodetutticapi on February 28, 2009, 07:45:36 PM
Post by: capodetutticapi on February 28, 2009, 10:35:53 PM
Liverpool's title hopes suffered a crushing setback as Rafael Benitez's men slumped to a 2-0 defeat at Middlesbrough. Three days after beating Real Madrid in the Bernabeu, Liverpool were brought back down to earth with a painful bump by opponents who had not won a league match since 9 November.
The defeat allowed Chelsea, who secured a last-gasp 2-1 win over Wigan Athletic, to reclaim second place in the table courtesy of their superior goal difference. But the real winners were champions Manchester United, who now stand seven points clear of both of their closest rivals with a game in hand. Benitez came close to conceding that any chance of catching United had gone.
"Before the game it was very difficult, now it will be more difficult," he said. "You have to take your chances if you want to win these games. The first 30 minutes we had five chances and we didn't score a goal. It has been a problem during the season and today has been the same."
United did not have a league game at the weekend because of tomorrow's League Cup final with Tottenham, in which Sir Alex Ferguson's side will attempt to claim their second trophy of the season, following their triumph in the FIFA World Club Championship Japan 2008™ in December.
The defeat at Middlesbrough means Liverpool have now won just two of their last seven league matches and a bitterly disappointing afternoon was compounded by the sight of skipper Steven Gerrard, who made his first start in over three weeks, limping off midway through the second half. Gerrard's influence had helped the visitors dominate the opening stages at the Riverside, but they found themselves behind just after the half-hour mark when Alonso deflected a Stewart Downing corner into his own net. Boro effectively ended the match as a contest when Turkey star Tuncay Sanli converted Jeremie Aliadiere's cutback in the 63rd minute.
Arsenal come up empty
Arsenal were jeered off the pitch by their own supporters after a 0-0 draw at home to Fulham in their fifth straight draw in the league and fourth consecutive goalless stalemate. If Aston Villa can beat relegation-threatened Stoke tomorrow, the Gunners will find themselves eight points adrift of a top four finish with only 11 games left to close the gap. "We dropped two points we basically couldn't afford to drop today," acknowledged Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger.
Chelsea rally for the win
Chelsea looked to have blown their chance of moving back into second place when Olivier Kapo claimed an 82nd-minute equaliser for Wigan. But the resilience that appears to have been restored by the arrival of temporary manager Guus Hiddink was again in evidence as Frank Lampard popped up in the box to head in a stoppage time winner.
Chelsea had been far from convincing early on, but they seized control of the match midway through the opening period. Emmerson Boyce's clearance of a Lampard cross only made it as far as the edge of the box, from where John Terry found the net with a stunning volley. Wigan could easily have been ahead at that stage, with Petr Cech saving from Paul Scharner at point-blank range and both Terry and Ashley Cole clearing balls off the line.
Post by: dinho on March 02, 2009, 05:15:21 PM
Torres injuries cost us - Benitez
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7919729.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7919729.stm)
Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez says his side would be closer to Manchester United in the title race were it not for injuries to Fernando Torres.
The Spanish striker will be missing again with an ankle injury when Liverpool host Sunderland on Tuesday.
"The worst thing has been the injuries to Torres," said Benitez. "He has been our main striker and scored a lot of goals for us last season.
"And this season could have been totally different with him."
Torres has been sidelined with hamstring and ankle problems and has played just 15 league games this season, scoring eight goals.
Liverpool have taken just 10 points from seven games in 2009 and fell seven points behind Manchester United, having played a game more, with a 2-0 defeat at Middlesbrough on Saturday.
We are now rated in the Uefa rankings as the best team in Europe over the last five years - that underlines how we have done in those seasons
Rafael Benitez
They remain a potent force in Europe, however, and are on course for the last eight of the Champions League after a superb 1-0 win at Real Madrid last week.
"The title was difficult before, it is more difficult now," said Benitez. "What we have to do is take our chances, and that is something that has been the same problem the whole season.
"Maybe if Torres had not been injured so much things would be different, but we cannot change the situation now. Everybody has players who get injured.
"Since the Champions League win in Madrid we have had some problems, several players have been injured, among other things."
Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard has only just returned after a hamstring injury and Benitez admits his squad lacks the depth of some rivals.
The Reds started the match against Boro with young striker Nabil El Zhar up front, but he was replaced in the second half by French teenager David Ngog after failing to make an impact.
Fernando Torres picked up an injury against Real Madrid last week
Fernando Torres picked up an injury against Real Madrid last week
"At this stage of the season when every point is important, having your best players available is the most important thing because they have the experience," he said.
"It is not fair to expect young players to come in and change games, that is when you need your more important players to bring something more to the side.
"We must keep going in the title race, to try to win each game as it comes along.
"Now we have the opportunity against Sunderland to do things right, to be able to approach the Real Madrid second leg next week with confidence. We have to remain positive.
"We have learned we must be more clinical, to finish games when you have chances.
"But we played with anxiety at Middlesbrough, we gave the ball away too easily with simple passes. These are things we have to improve if we are going to fight for the title."
And Benitez insists that his side are improving overall, despite seeing their early lead in the title race overturned.
"We must not forget that our league performance is better than last season," said the Spaniard.
606: DEBATE
I think we can all agree that we are lacking some major fire power up front
Baz_005
"Still we have to improve. Yes, we have had key players injured and maybe that could have cost us four or five points.
"In this title race that would be a massive difference. We are in a good position but we could be in a much better position.
"We are now rated in the Uefa rankings as the best team in Europe over the last five years - that underlines how we have done in those seasons.
"But we must go forward for the rest of the season, and in the future. The squad is good, but there are too many games when things go wrong and that makes a massive difference."
Post by: giggsy11 on March 02, 2009, 05:50:35 PM
Post by: capodetutticapi on March 02, 2009, 07:34:41 PM
Post by: WestCoast on March 02, 2009, 07:35:41 PM
so borough hit them 2 nil,sunderland could hit them 3 nil tomorrow.ah find so tooo :devil:
Post by: boss on March 03, 2009, 04:00:09 AM
When will teams learn that teams wearing grey kits don't win shite?! And who the hell does that colour appeal to anyway? Drab, dull, boring, depressing-just like Liverstool!
It's a "modern-day version" to the shirt worn between 1989 and 1991. :beermug:
(http://www.oldfootballshirts.com/img/season_shirts/thumbnails/football_shirt_3605_2_276x400.jpg)
Post by: giggsy11 on March 03, 2009, 05:38:25 AM
When will teams learn that teams wearing grey kits don't win shite?! And who the hell does that colour appeal to anyway? Drab, dull, boring, depressing-just like Liverstool!
It's a "modern-day version" to the shirt worn between 1989 and 1991. :beermug:
(http://www.oldfootballshirts.com/img/season_shirts/thumbnails/football_shirt_3605_2_276x400.jpg)
It was ugly then and it is ugly today. Thanks for the info though :beermug:
Post by: Daft Trini on March 03, 2009, 07:11:29 AM
Post by: Filho on March 03, 2009, 07:55:42 AM
Oh now is Torres' fault? Geez they have no back up striker? How did that happen?
Weren't they showing their best form and top of the league when Torres was injured earlier in the season?
Post by: JDB on March 03, 2009, 08:48:02 AM
Oh now is Torres' fault? Geez they have no back up striker? How did that happen?
Weren't they showing their best form and top of the league when Torres was injured earlier in the season?
I does wonder if Benitez is a psycopath to believe the shit he does be talking or if he just trying ot fool people.
A couple weeks ago, when disposing of Keane, he was bigging up El Zhar and Ngog as striking options, now missing Torres is a problem.
Benitez is a decent manager but he makes his own problems. He find this system with Gerrard playing off Torres that works for Liverpool and sacrifice every other forward and creative midfielder to make it work. Benyaoun and Babel can't get a sweat, Kuyt move to the wing, Crouch, Voronin and Keane get sgipped out.
It is true that none of these players have been performing anywhere near the way that Gerrard and Torres do but they are all players that Rafa bought. So if you buy them and then don't give them a decent chance of success whose fault is it?
I wouldn't even talk about the money wasted on Dossena and Deggen or the fascination with Lucas. All the talk now is how much money United have and why the squad is athat much better when Liverpool has brought through no academy players under Benitez and has wasted decent money on a host of players that barely spend a year in the team like Pennant, Bellamy, Voronin, Crouch
Post by: giggsy11 on March 03, 2009, 09:42:43 AM
Oh now is Torres' fault? Geez they have no back up striker? How did that happen?
Weren't they showing their best form and top of the league when Torres was injured earlier in the season?
I does wonder if Benitez is a psycopath to believe the shit he does be talking or if he just trying ot fool people.
A couple weeks ago, when disposing of Keane, he was bigging up El Zhar and Ngog as striking options, now missing Torres is a problem.
Benitez is a decent manager but he makes his own problems. He find this system with Gerrard playing off Torres that works for Liverpool and sacrifice every other forward and creative midfielder to make it work. Benyaoun and Babel can't get a sweat, Kuyt move to the wing, Crouch, Voronin and Keane get sgipped out.
It is true that none of these players have been performing anywhere near the way that Gerrard and Torres do but they are all players that Rafa bought. So if you buy them and then don't give them a decent chance of success whose fault is it?
I wouldn't even talk about the money wasted on Dossena and Deggen or the fascination with Lucas. All the talk now is how much money United have and why the squad is athat much better when Liverpool has brought through no academy players under Benitez and has wasted decent money on a host of players that barely spend a year in the team like Pennant, Bellamy, Voronin, Crouch
Well the latest is he is telling players not to sign contracts until his future sorted. Now what kind of controlling, egotistical, selfish shit is that? Isn't it what is best for Liverstool's football club? Apparently not.
Post by: Daft Trini on March 03, 2009, 10:31:04 AM
Post by: kaliman2006 on March 03, 2009, 04:28:00 PM
Is it that deep down you all have a secret affection for the men from Merseyside?
If Liverpool is such a poor team as you all say, why even waste time posting in this thread?
Post by: WestCoast on March 03, 2009, 04:30:30 PM
let me be the first...............cough.....to.....cough....say...........cough
Good Game Liverpool :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
:D :D
Post by: sammy on March 03, 2009, 06:07:13 PM
Why is it that all the Man Utd. supporters must hijack this thread so?
Is it that deep down you all have a secret affection for the men from Merseyside?
If Liverpool is such a poor team as you all say, why even waste time posting in this thread?
is called rubbing salt in the wounds.
Is to also show how men saying they are fans, but they does disappear when things going bad.
Post by: Reaper2004 on March 09, 2009, 08:25:36 PM
Why is it that all the Man Utd. supporters must hijack this thread so?
Is it that deep down you all have a secret affection for the men from Merseyside?
If Liverpool is such a poor team as you all say, why even waste time posting in this thread?
you know seeing that you ask that question I was now thinking the same thing when all them Manchester United nay sayers keep posting in the Man. United Thread.
Post by: dinho on March 09, 2009, 08:30:00 PM
Why is it that all the Man Utd. supporters must hijack this thread so?
Is it that deep down you all have a secret affection for the men from Merseyside?
If Liverpool is such a poor team as you all say, why even waste time posting in this thread?
you know seeing that you ask that question I was now thinking the same thing when all them Manchester United nay sayers keep posting in the Man. United Thread.
same ting i does be wondering about the multitude of haters on the Chelsea thread.
Post by: Feliziano on March 10, 2009, 05:25:02 AM
well people does be busy yuh know lolWhy is it that all the Man Utd. supporters must hijack this thread so?
Is it that deep down you all have a secret affection for the men from Merseyside?
If Liverpool is such a poor team as you all say, why even waste time posting in this thread?
you know seeing that you ask that question I was now thinking the same thing when all them Manchester United nay sayers keep posting in the Man. United Thread.
same ting i does be wondering about the multitude of haters on the Chelsea thread.
thanks for allyuh concern
ah sure if yuh ask some of we fans, is not the end of the world or we does go into mourning if we team lose..allyuh could dissect that statement how allyuh want btw ;D
that game today ent done yet but i hope we do prevail :-\
all de best to the rest of the English contingent too this week :beermug:
Post by: Feliziano on March 10, 2009, 05:27:47 AM
Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez will keep Real Madrid guessing until the last moment over his side for their Champions League clash at Anfield.
The Reds are 1-0 ahead from the first leg of their last-16 clash, and are favourites to complete the job against the Spanish champions and reach the quarter-finals.
But Benitez's planning is being handicapped by injuries to Fernando Torres, Alvaro Arbeloa and Yossi Benayoun, the goalscoring hero of the win in the Bernabeu a fortnight ago.
Torres, recovering from an ankle injury, has trained for the past two days and will have another session today before Benitez makes his decision on the Spain striker.
He may not be risked from the start with Saturday's Premier League trip to Manchester United in mind.
Arbeloa is struggling with a hamstring injury while Benayoun is almost certainly out with a hamstring pull suffered in training.
They are crucial injury problems for Benitez, with Arbeloa's involvement critical if he is to keep Javier Mascherano in midfield and not deploy him as an emergency full-back.
Ryan Babel, Lucas and David Ngog would all come into consideration if none of the trio is available.
Benitez said: "If Arbeloa plays, it controls my selections for the rest of the team. Torres needs another training session and Benayoun is very likely to be out.
"I will give all of them every chance to make the side and a decision will be a late one."
But Benitez has determinedly talked up his injury-hit side's chances.
"This is a huge week in Liverpool's season. We aim to progress in the Champions League, it is so important for the fans and the club and the money, for Liverpool to reach the quarter-finals," he said.
"Then we have the game at Manchester United. If we win then we can still think about the title, if you cannot do that it will be almost impossible to win the title.
"But we feel we are still in a fantastic position, much better than last season.
"We have been improving and the key is to improve a little more in the next week.
"We can progress in Europe. Why not? We know that we have enough quality and experience in this competition.
"The Premier League depends on the next game. Manchester United are a good team with good players, but if we win we will still have enough games left to catch them.
"The players have a lot of confidence because of what we did in Madrid. It will be tough to go through, but we feel we can do it."
Rafa please keep Lucas and Dossena on de bench nah
we could take a chance with Ngog later on if anything lol
Post by: capodetutticapi on March 10, 2009, 08:41:07 AM
Post by: Bakes on March 10, 2009, 02:01:32 PM
El Nino strikes... 1-0 Liverpool in the 16'
Post by: WestCoast on March 10, 2009, 02:02:05 PM
TORO9 ;D
Post by: capodetutticapi on March 10, 2009, 02:08:18 PM
Post by: capodetutticapi on March 10, 2009, 02:09:41 PM
Post by: gothic on March 10, 2009, 02:12:20 PM
Post by: Bakes on March 10, 2009, 02:14:30 PM
Post by: D.H.W on March 10, 2009, 02:23:31 PM
Post by: capodetutticapi on March 10, 2009, 02:39:03 PM
real getting some english luvingmore like stiff wood.
Post by: sammy on March 10, 2009, 02:40:50 PM
these sub par teams they want to send to challenge the EPL.
La Liga who?
Post by: capodetutticapi on March 10, 2009, 02:41:08 PM
Post by: sammy on March 10, 2009, 02:42:01 PM
bayern leadin lisbon 4-1 at de half.imagine 9-1 on agg.
:o
Post by: Filho on March 10, 2009, 02:42:13 PM
torres sinkin de spanish armada
I though Liverpool was the Spanish Armada :devil:
Post by: Filho on March 10, 2009, 02:43:18 PM
bayern leadin lisbon 4-1 at de half.imagine 9-1 on agg.
:o
Sporting just trying to keep it interesting..watch the 2nd half comeback. lol
Post by: Bakes on March 10, 2009, 02:50:03 PM
Post by: capodetutticapi on March 10, 2009, 02:52:19 PM
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on March 10, 2009, 03:01:32 PM
impressive.
agreed
we'll bring you lot back down to earth on Saturday :beermug:
Post by: D.H.W on March 10, 2009, 03:12:08 PM
Post by: Bakes on March 10, 2009, 03:31:45 PM
Lucky fuh dem Casillas kept the scoreline respectable too.
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on March 10, 2009, 03:38:50 PM
Post by: D.H.W on March 10, 2009, 03:41:59 PM
Post by: WestCoast on March 10, 2009, 03:42:39 PM
Post by: SOBRIQUET on March 10, 2009, 03:49:56 PM
Post by: WestCoast on March 10, 2009, 03:54:54 PM
There goes the "Biggest Club in The World" again, getting disgraced by english opposition. 4-0? really? "biggest club in the world"dem deserve a
CutArseTrophy
Post by: D.H.W on March 10, 2009, 04:12:47 PM
Post by: capodetutticapi on March 10, 2009, 04:34:44 PM
Post by: RedDevils on March 10, 2009, 04:39:28 PM
There goes the "Biggest Club in The World" again, getting disgraced by english opposition. 4-0? really? "biggest club in the world"
Poor Ramos going and loss his job again.
Post by: Observer on March 10, 2009, 05:07:13 PM
As a matter of fact Raul and Higuain eh frighten anyone and look pedestrian. Only the Madrid keeper keep them from getting a Real embarrassment of 6 or 7.
Post by: kicker on March 10, 2009, 06:02:11 PM
Will be going into hiding for a lil bit
cheers
Post by: dinho on March 10, 2009, 06:59:38 PM
anyway, only question left to be answered is...
which liverpool player house get burgled tonight?
Post by: Feliziano on March 10, 2009, 09:19:00 PM
Liverpool produced a magnificent performance to beat Real Madrid 4-0 (5-0 on aggregate) and reach the Champions League quarter-finals in style.
In a remarkable first half at Anfield on Tuesday night, Real Madrid were torn to shreds by a breathtaking attacking display led by Fernando Torres, their arch-enemy from his Atletico Madrid days.
Torres scored early on, before Steven Gerrard fired home from the spot.
And had it not been for an outstanding display from Spanish goalkeeper Iker Casillas, Liverpool would have had a hatful in that first 45 minutes alone.
Gerrard scored a spectacular third seconds after the break to deflate Madrid further and substitute Andrea Dossena added a fourth with three minutes to go.
Sometimes Liverpool can defy logic.
So unpredictable in the Premier League of late, their fans were singing about another Rome final long before the end. And who would ever bet against the Anfield men in Europe.
Gerrard struck twice on his 100th European appearance for Liverpool to secure a quite breathtaking victory, Real were humbled for the second time in a fortnight by their old boy Rafael Benitez.
If manager Benitez feels he does not get enough respect for his Champions League achievements at Anfield, this fourth appearance in the last eight in five years will go a long way to gaining him the credit he craves.
England coach Fabio Capello was here for another Benitez masterclass, and Manchester United assistant manager Mike Phelan - Liverpool go to Old Trafford on Saturday - was a more than interested observer.
Anfield was at its European best, a cauldron of pounding sound cascading down from the Kop.
And it inspired a stunning start from Liverpool, with Casillas making two world-class saves in the opening minutes.
Torres, back after an ankle injury, had already embarked on one surging run into the box, before he dumbfounded Fabio Cannavaro with a brilliant turn to control a Gerrard pass, only for Casillas to save with his right foot.
Ryan Babel and Javier Mascherano both had shots deflected wide before Casillas rescued Madrid again, stretching to his left to touch a Mascherano 20-yard effort onto the bar and over.
After 16 minutes Liverpool were ahead. Jamie Carragher's long ball had Real on the turn with Torres and Dirk Kuyt baring down on Pepe.
Torres looked to nudge Pepe from behind, and the Portuguese defender fell, leaving Kuyt to square the ball for Torres to beat Casillas from six yards, only his second goal against Real having managed just one against them for Atletico.
Real were furious with referee Frank De Bleeckere, the official who sent off Marco Materazzi when Inter Milan were beaten at Anfield at this same stage last season. But the Belgian was unmoved.
Pepe was soon booked for dissent before Casillas needed to be at his best to stop a towering Martin Skrtel header, before he somehow beat away a Gerrard shot following more brilliance from Torres on the left.
Gerrard was booked for a foul on Sergio Ramos before more misfortune befell Madrid. A linesman's flag signalled to De Bleeckere after 27 minutes that Gabriel Heinze had handled in the box.
Replays showed the ball hit the former Manchester United man on the shoulder, and he was booked for making his point. But Gerrard was nerveless, driving home the spot-kick.
Real were fuming. Heinze hurled himself feet first into Torres and it needed De Bleeckere and Gerrard to calm the situation, before Jose Reina produced his first saves of the night to turn away a Wesley Sneijder free-kick and hold Raul's header.
Another instinctive save from Reina stopped Sneijder from close range before Mascherano found himself booked after Xabi Alonso had tripped Pepe.
That will rule him out of the next European match, but it was unclear whether the yellow card was mistaken identity or because the ball was kicked away from the free-kick.
Real needed to do something, and they sent on Brazilian forward Marcelo for the anonymous Arjen Robben at the break.
But any plans for a fightback were destroyed just 65 seconds into the second period. Babel got away on the left and laid the ball back for Gerrard to volley superbly high into the net with Casillas helpless.
Real were in pieces, and had it not again been for Casillas - punching the ball away to his right - Gerrard would have had another after 54 minutes.
On the hour Lucas was sent on to replace Alonso, with Saturday's likely epic no doubt in Benitez's mind.
Belatedly Real took off a defender, Cannavaro, and sent on an extra forward in Rafael van der Vaart. But Madrid had been bereft of attacking ideas, and it was far too late by now.
Liverpool were able to indulge themselves by bringing on local teenager Jay Spearing in midfield for Gerrard, an Anfield debut for the former FA Youth Cup-winning captain.
Raul and Fernando Gago both had chances, but Liverpool were cruising at this stage and next to be given a rest was Torres with eight minutes to go, Dossena taking over, only to be booked within seconds.
With three minutes to go, the Italian defender appeared in the box to fire home the fourth goal of the night after a fine build-up involving Babel and Mascherano.
Post by: Feliziano on March 10, 2009, 09:27:28 PM
well it look like we get we tactics right once again in Europe
too bad we cant say the same for the EPL ::)
I was suprised Torres actually started but like he was fired up tonight for sure
Canavarro and dem couldnt handle him, good thing them had Iker behind dem, who is like the Spanish version of Shay Given lol
I admit the penalty was a bad call though but all things aside we deservedly went through
well back to the business of the EPL this weekend, hope it will be a similar result for us :-\
Post by: elan on March 10, 2009, 09:52:01 PM
The first goal Torres pulled the defender to the ground.
Not really complaining just now looking at the highlights.
Post by: Bakes on March 11, 2009, 12:17:49 AM
That PK was not. That was a clear shoulder.
The first goal Torres pulled the defender to the ground.
Not really complaining just now looking at the highlights.
You can't be for real. The PK was gifted... but to say Torres pulled Pepe to the ground sounds like "complaining" to me.
Post by: LondonTrini LFC on March 11, 2009, 05:32:14 AM
4-0...
look at dat...
and before anybody start wid de penalty scene... ask Chanders about DAT decision...
take dat in all yuh pweffm...
Post by: JDB on March 11, 2009, 06:09:38 AM
It remind me of when the English teams just get back into Europe and the press (English and International) used to rate Arsenal, United and Liverpool as big teams in Europe when clearly they were way behind the continental teams after not having played for 5 years. They had a couple successes in the Cup Winners Cup but they would be outplayed in the European Cup/CL every-year. Yet the expectation was that the players were equal to their foreign counterparts when clearly they were not.
Might be the reverse happening now. We seeing the English teams competing better than the other big leagues over the past 4 years (5 of the last 8 finalists) but we still think that it is a fluke and that the Italian and Spanish teams are innately better.
Post by: kicker on March 11, 2009, 08:15:54 AM
I expected Liverpool to win but thought that Madrid had better players on paper. Now I wondering if I does rate up these players playing in Spain and Italy too much based on history. Gerrard and Alonso look better than anything in that Madrid midfield and probably are better. Raul and Higuain - not even a shadow of Torres. And the defence, as a unit Liverpool are much better than Madrid.
It remind me of when the English teams just get back into Europe and the press (English and International) used to rate Arsenal, United and Liverpool as big teams in Europe when clearly they were way behind the continental teams after not having played for 5 years. They had a couple successes in the Cup Winners Cup but they would be outplayed in the European Cup/CL every-year. Yet the expectation was that the players were equal to their foreign counterparts when clearly they were not.
Might be the reverse happening now. We seeing the English teams competing better than the other big leagues over the past 4 years (5 of the last 8 finalists) but we still think that it is a fluke and that the Italian and Spanish teams are innately better.
Player for player I don't think there's any difference between the two teams (or any of the top teams in Europe). There are World Cup winners, and major trohpy winners spread across all the European leagues. Spain just won the Euro 2008- Most of their roster plays in Spain...England didn't even qualify- where does most of their roster play? Alonso & Fabregas were hardly leading figures in Spain's Euro 2008 roster...
It's like I've been saying on here for a while. The EPL is played at a higher tempo & intensity than La Liga & Serie A.....and that's the difference. If the Serie A & La Liga team cannot adjust, they will get run over (as has happened). I think Barca (& sometimes Villarreal) are exceptions to the rule because they are just so good in possession. Madrid is not on their level when it comes to possessing the ball. It's not a question of the quality of the players, but the overall quality/style of the game...and collective team fitness/physicality
The analogy I draw is a pre-season Man United vs. a mid season Man United....same team, same quality, but a mid season Man United will beat a pre-season Man United 4-0...because by mid season, Man United is firing on all cylinders and playing at a tempo that a less fit & physical pre-season Man United is just not used to (at pre-season)...Teams in other leagues just aren't playing at that tempo and with that sorta physicality because the style of football doesn't call for it...That's why the EPL teams appear to be a notch above the others....Not because of the ability of the individual players... Fernando Torries has never struggled in the EPL... Heck mid season MLS teams run stride for stride with some pre-season EPL teams....
In terms of yesterday's game- If you've watched enough football, the pattern in the early goings of the game should come as no massive surprise...Madrid needed to weather the early 20 odd minute storm to come out of that game alive. The game would have eventually slowed down and opened up a bit and the contest would have evened out...There's huge difference between a team that scores/concedes in its early flurry and a team that doesn't. If Liverpool didn't score in the early flurry they would have caved in alot more...and the opposite can be said about Madrid conceding early... A little more composure at the back, and erasing the misfortune on the pk call, and that game woulda been a ton different...At 2-0 whatever wind was in Madrid's sails had been knocked out.....From a hundred miles away it easy to say Madrid is sh*t & Liverpool players are sooo much better, but if yuh watch enough football in your time you should know it's not that straightforward....
lastly- as soft a call as it would have been...and while Pepe had all right to stay on his feet under slight pressure from Torres, I'm willing to bet any amount of money that at Anfield, if that play was going the other way....Liverpool woulda gotten the call. (and Pepe woulda gotten the call in the Bernabeu)...One of the psychological nuances of the game that also makes a big difference in matches like this....
but it's all water under the bridge, Liverpool were clearly superior over the 180 minutes and all in all thoroughly deserved to advance... Next year for lost merengues.
Post by: boss on March 14, 2009, 08:42:50 AM
My head says no...my heart says never give up.... :) :beermug:
Post by: sammy on March 14, 2009, 08:46:48 AM
So now the question becomes, is the title race back on?
My head says no...my heart says never give up.... :) :beermug:
listen to yuh heaD...... following yuh heart does lead to tabanka
Post by: Feliziano on March 14, 2009, 09:00:23 AM
Liverpool kept their Premier League title hopes alive after closing the gap on 10-man Manchester United to four points with a thumping 4-1 win.
It was the Merseysiders' first victory at Old Trafford for five years, but they had to come from behind on Saturday lunchtime to end the champions' run of 11 consecutive league victories - and they did so in style.
United struck the first blow midway through the first half and Carlos Tevez was the orchestrator - threading a pass through for Ji-Sung Park.
The South Korean got to the ball just ahead of Jose Reina, whose momentum took Park down on the left side of the box. Referee Alan Wiley pointed to the spot and up stepped Cristiano Ronaldo to provide the confident finish.
But the visitors were level five minutes later and the opportunity arrived from an unlikely provider when Martin Skrtel launched a long punt downfield.
Virtually faultless all season, Nemanja Vidic appeared to have the situation under total control, but he let the ball bounce and Fernando Torres pounced. The Spain striker galloped down on goal and confidently slotted past Edwin van der Sar to equalise.
At the other end, Reina reacted quickly to gather the rebound as Tevez closed in after the Liverpool goalkeeper had failed to hold a long-range Ronaldo free-kick that had taken a deflection.
Michael Carrick's shot then flew just over the bar before Patrice Evra sent Steven Gerrard sprawling in the box after Torres had split the United defence and Wiley rightly pointed to the penalty spot.
Van der Sar was booked as he delayed the spot-kick. But it did not put Gerrard off as he found the bottom corner on 44 minutes.
After the restart, Reina had to be alert to tip over a chipped effort from Tevez before the keeper grabbed the ball on the line after uncertainty in the six-yard box from the resulting corner.
Just after the hour mark, Ronaldo's right-wing cross was turned goalwards by Wayne Rooney, but his side-foot effort rolled across the six-yard box and away to safety.
But on 76 minutes, things went from bad to worse for United when Vidic hauled down Gerrard en route to the penalty area. Wiley rightly brandished a straight red card at the Serbian for his cynical challenge and Fabio Aurelio punished the home side further when he swung the resulting free-kick over the wall and into the net with his left foot.
With five minutes remaining, substitute Ryan Babel played in Gerrard, but the England man fired over the bar from 12 yards.
But Liverpool did make it 4-1 when substitute Andrea Dossena (90) raced on to a long ball forward and lobbed the ball over van der Sar for his second goal of the week.
The result moves the visitors four points behind United at the top of the table, although Sir Alex Ferguson's men still have a game in hand over their bitter rivals.
Good job boys, showed character to bounce back from going behind against the run of play and took your chances well :beermug:
Post by: kaliman2006 on March 14, 2009, 09:09:20 AM
where the supporters?
they gone awol? just like their title hopes
:rotfl:
Sammy lemme heah yuh now.
:devil:
Post by: Feliziano on March 14, 2009, 09:17:55 AM
btw this Liverpool fan only come out the woodword cause ah home for a little while this morning ;Dwhere the supporters?
they gone awol? just like their title hopes
:rotfl:
Sammy lemme heah yuh now.
:devil:
back to work now
Post by: LondonTrini LFC on March 14, 2009, 02:59:48 PM
Well done you Reds...
Post by: sammy on March 14, 2009, 03:32:34 PM
btw this Liverpool fan only come out the woodword cause ah home for a little while this morning ;Dwhere the supporters?
they gone awol? just like their title hopes
:rotfl:
Sammy lemme heah yuh now.
:devil:
back to work now
:rotfl:
nice excuse.....doh worry i right here...we get beat today, tomorrow is a differet day...
however..... i expect allyuh to disappear again as soon as the going gets though for liverstool. :devil:
Post by: sammy on March 14, 2009, 03:36:23 PM
Oh dear...
Well done you Reds...
OH SHIT.....LOOK LONDON TRINI BOY....WHERE U COME OUT FROM ALL OF A SUDDEN?
Me eh blame allyuh liverpool fans nah....if I used to back them...i woulda spend most of my time hiding my face 2 ! :devil:
Post by: Deeks on March 14, 2009, 03:40:52 PM
Post by: Feliziano on March 15, 2009, 07:24:10 AM
HI!!!!
Post by: LondonTrini LFC on March 15, 2009, 07:32:22 AM
Oh dear...
Well done you Reds...
OH SHIT.....LOOK LONDON TRINI BOY....WHERE U COME OUT FROM ALL OF A SUDDEN?
Me eh blame allyuh liverpool fans nah....if I used to back them...i woulda spend most of my time hiding my face 2 ! :devil:
some of us actually do work hard to prop up this ailing economy yuh know sammy...
wham to allyuh shit side yesterday???
what was dat? once Ronaldo score allyuh doh lorse?...
2 words for you... domestic double...
de season ends in May...
Post by: Feliziano on March 15, 2009, 07:50:04 AM
is true..dat was what ah was trying to tell them..is not we hiding..we busy with more important thing ;)Oh dear...
Well done you Reds...
OH SHIT.....LOOK LONDON TRINI BOY....WHERE U COME OUT FROM ALL OF A SUDDEN?
Me eh blame allyuh liverpool fans nah....if I used to back them...i woulda spend most of my time hiding my face 2 ! :devil:
some of us actually do work hard to prop up this ailing economy yuh know sammy...
wham to allyuh shit side yesterday???
what was dat? once Ronaldo score allyuh doh lorse?...
2 words for you... domestic double...
de season ends in May...
maybe majority of Liverpool fans here are adults and have jobs :-\
and ah know bout 5 of the Man U fans here for sure still in school lol
Post by: sammy on March 15, 2009, 08:02:52 AM
ahhhh see the difference in the supporters? U guys happy with a double over the top dog (which is a great achievement) while we looking for titles.
I understand that Liverpool beating Utd twice comes like Guyana beating T&T Twice. Is like allyuh win the world CUp! ::)
People need to find what ever little happiness they can.
::)
Post by: Feliziano on March 15, 2009, 08:17:02 AM
:devil:but Sammy me ent really see any Liverpool fan here beating they chest..that much.. in comparison like how allyuh is make noise for beating teams like Stoke etc :devil:
ahhhh see the difference in the supporters? U guys happy with a double over the top dog (which is a great achievement) while we looking for titles.
I understand that Liverpool beating Utd twice comes like Guyana beating T&T Twice. Is like allyuh win the world CUp! ::)
People need to find what ever little happiness they can.
::)
it does be so bad ah does wonder if allyuh go orgasm if allyuh hit 4 past Arsenal one of these days ;D
Post by: sammy on March 15, 2009, 10:59:22 AM
:devil:but Sammy me ent really see any Liverpool fan here beating they chest..that much.. in comparison like how allyuh is make noise for beating teams like Stoke etc :devil:
ahhhh see the difference in the supporters? U guys happy with a double over the top dog (which is a great achievement) while we looking for titles.
I understand that Liverpool beating Utd twice comes like Guyana beating T&T Twice. Is like allyuh win the world CUp! ::)
People need to find what ever little happiness they can.
::)
it does be so bad ah does wonder if allyuh go orgasm if allyuh hit 4 past Arsenal one of these days ;D
Consider this - losing to small sides like stoke and such is why u haven't won the league in so many years.... ::)
Post by: LondonTrini LFC on March 15, 2009, 02:41:22 PM
:devil:Maybe like yuh need to go back to school and learn to read again too boy...
ahhhh see the difference in the supporters? U guys happy with a double over the top dog (which is a great achievement) while we looking for titles.
I understand that Liverpool beating Utd twice comes like Guyana beating T&T Twice. Is like allyuh win the world CUp! ::)
People need to find what ever little happiness they can.
::)
Ah say... de season, ends in May...
like break stick in yuh ears or wha?...
Post by: LondonTrini LFC on March 15, 2009, 02:43:28 PM
:devil:but Sammy me ent really see any Liverpool fan here beating they chest..that much.. in comparison like how allyuh is make noise for beating teams like Stoke etc :devil:
ahhhh see the difference in the supporters? U guys happy with a double over the top dog (which is a great achievement) while we looking for titles.
I understand that Liverpool beating Utd twice comes like Guyana beating T&T Twice. Is like allyuh win the world CUp! ::)
People need to find what ever little happiness they can.
::)
it does be so bad ah does wonder if allyuh go orgasm if allyuh hit 4 past Arsenal one of these days ;D
Consider this - losing to small sides like stoke and such is why u haven't won the league in so many years.... ::)
Consider dis... is 4 allyuh (and dat shit side) get on yuh own grong... F.O.U.R.
smoke dat in yuh pipe and take it...
F.O.U.R.
Post by: WestCoast on March 18, 2009, 04:28:52 PM
Rafael Benitez has signed a new deal with Liverpool to keep him at Anfield until 2014.
The former Valencia boss, who led the Reds to Champions League glory in 2005, has been in contract talks with the club for much of the season.
He told www.liverpoolfc.tv on Wednesday evening: "My heart is with Liverpool Football Club, so I'm delighted to sign this new deal. I love the club, the fans and the city and with a club like this and supporters like this, I could never say no to staying."
Benitez added: "I always made clear I wanted to be here for a long time and when I complete my new contract it will mean I have spent over a decade in Liverpool.
"The club is greatly respected around the world due to its incredible history and tremendous heritage. It is my aim to uphold those values and help create a new chapter in our history.
"Throughout this process, I would like to thank the owners for their hard work in finalising the deal. All of us at the club want the same thing, which is to be successful by winning major trophies."
Co-Chairman Tom Hicks said: "It is wonderful news that Rafa has made a long-term commitment to the football club.
"Since he became Manager in 2004, he has been responsible for the great progress we have made. I know he will continue to build on his achievements as he has a tremendous hunger and desire to bring more success to the club - success our fans and everyone connected with the club deserves."
Co-Chairman George Gillett added: "With Rafa continuing to manage the team, we can look forward to more great football and success on the pitch. He has special abilities and qualities which are admired here at the club and around the world.
"Coming after our excellent wins over Real Madrid and Manchester United, this gives us great momentum going into the final stages of the season."
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5jkhMfIIz2gq4oZqlOQxxCXX1FRyQ
Post by: Bakes on March 18, 2009, 06:58:18 PM
steups
Post by: Feliziano on March 19, 2009, 08:10:56 PM
Lucas Leiva admits he might not be able to continue being a squad player at Liverpool as he wants his place back in the Brazil squad. The 22-year-old midfielder is very highly regarded in his homeland and already has three full international caps to his name.
Whilst Rafa Benitez looks to have a great deal of faith in the former Gremio star - Lucas admits he cannot afford to be kicking his heels on the sidelines if he wants to cement his place in Carlos Dunga's Brazil squad.
"I think I have played a lot, but the competition for places here is very high," he told Folha online.
"The situation doesn't really worry me, but my objective has always been to play in order to make sure I am back with the national side.
"Once the season is over, I will have to see what is the best option for me.
"It is the World Cup next year and I will have to push to get this chance and you have to be playing to get called up."
Lucas has seen himself drop out of Brazil squad and he admits he does not know why Dunga axed him.
"I can't really explain what happened, but Dunga makes his own decisions," he said.
"I was in the squad in the last four World Cup qualifiers and played against Bolivia, when the team didn't play well.
"I believe that I'm part of a list of 30 or 40 players, but I'm out of the 22-men squad."
Say it ain't so Lucas ::)
Post by: Feliziano on March 19, 2009, 08:14:43 PM
Liverpool midfielder Lucas Leiva has denied talk he is considering his future at the club and vowed to prove himself to the Anfield faithful.
Reports emanating from his native Brazil suggested Lucas could seek a move away from Liverpool if he is not playing on a regular basis but the international has moved to clear up the rumours.
"I've got three more years to go on my contract and I'm really happy here," Lucas told the club's official website. "My girlfriend is happy in Liverpool and everybody at the club is supporting me. I have never thought about leaving."
Lucas is determined to prove himself at Anfield after coming under fire from some fans this season.
The 22-year-old enjoyed arguably his best performance of the campaign as he replaced Xabi Alonso in midfield for Saturday's 4-1 success over Manchester United.
Lucas believes he is improving as a player and he is hoping to earn the trust of every Liverpool fan by establishing himself as a key player in Rafa Benitez's side.
"I think I'm improving and I have more confidence every day," added Lucas. "The team is playing well too, which also helps. Everyone is on fire - all these things help me.
"I don't think about what some of the people say. I have to concentrate on the team. Rafa always gives me a lot of confidence.
"I know some people don't trust me yet but I will try to show them my quality, and I think I've now started doing that.
"When you have games in a row you get more confidence. You get some rhythm. It is more difficult when you play just one or two games a month but I have to work hard, try to improve every day and try to get to my best level."
Lucas was earlier quoted as saying in Folha online: "I think I have played a lot, but the competition for places here is very high.
"The situation doesn't really worry me, but my objective has always been to play in order to make sure I am back with the national side.
"Once the season is over, I will have to see what is the best option for me.
"It is the World Cup next year and I will have to push to get this chance and you have to be playing to get called up."
Lucas has seen himself drop out of Brazil squad and he admits he does not know why Dunga axed him.
"I can't really explain what happened, but Dunga makes his own decisions," he said. "I was in the squad in the last four World Cup qualifiers and played against Bolivia, when the team didn't play well.
"I believe that I'm part of a list of 30 or 40 players, but I'm out of the 22-men squad."
Drats..steups :frustrated:
Lucas you need to be playign every week to get back in de brazil squad..ask for a loan somewhere nah ;)
then we could try and sign Micheal Johnson from Man City
Post by: Feliziano on March 20, 2009, 05:09:26 AM
An assault charge against England and Liverpool footballer Steven Gerrard has been dropped.
The 28-year-old still faces a charge of affray in connection with an incident at a nightclub in Southport. Six other men face the same charge.
Gerrard had been in the Lounge Inn after a 5-1 win over Newcastle United when a disturbance broke out.
A 34-year-old man had suffered facial injuries in the incident in December, North Sefton magistrates were told.
Gerrard was not required to make a formal plea in relation to the affray charge which he now faces.
The footballer, and six other defendants, will have a plea and case management hearing at Liverpool Crown Court on 3 April.
Nick Evans, prosecuting, told the court that after a "review of the evidence in full" it was decided that all seven defendants should only face affray charges.
Assault charges were also dropped against John Doran, 29, of Woodlands Road, and Ian Smith, 19, of Hilary Avenue, both Huyton, Merseyside.
Appearing alongside Gerrard on Friday were Accrington Stanley players Ian Dunbavin, 28, of Guildford Road, Southport, and midfielder Robert Grant, 18, of Enstone Avenue, Litherland.
Also in the dock were John McGrattan, 33, of Rimmer Avenue, and Paul McGrattan, 31, of Linden Drive, both Huyton.
Gerrard was arrested along with a number of other men outside the venue after the disturbance on 29 December last year.
The father-of-two was escorted out of the court building by members of his legal team after the short hearing and driven away in a black car.
whats ah little dust up in ah bar?..better sense has prevailed
he could do with some community service to bond with de fans dem
de moral is yuh must play Stevie G song request or else ;D
Post by: JDB on March 20, 2009, 09:38:01 AM
Arsène Wenger feels Liverpool’s win at Manchester United flattered the Anfield side.
The Frenchman believes the 4-1 victory on Saturday has opened up the title race to an extent but Sir Alex Ferguson’s side are still likely to lift the Premier League trophy in May. He attributed the result to Manchester United’s hefty workload since the turn of the year.
“There are two things I would like to say about that game,” he said.
“Firstly, congratulations to Liverpool for winning with an emphatic score, but I think overall it is a very flattering result.
"For big spells in the game Manchester United dominated but they made mistakes on the day that usually they don’t make. Some players looked a bit mentally tired.
“It opens up the race for the title but I still believe that Manchester United are in a strong position with that game in hand. However they have played many matches since Christmas and it looked to have caught up with them on Saturday.”
Post by: kaliman2006 on March 21, 2009, 07:25:30 AM
Before they give that fool he marching f**kking papers?
steups
I agree with you. Rafa is not the man to take Liverpool to multiple Premier League titles, much less one.
He is more effective at European competitions than domestic ones and changes his roster way too much.
Post by: sammy on March 21, 2009, 07:27:51 AM
Before they give that fool he marching f**kking papers?
steups
I agree with you. Rafa is not the man to take Liverpool to multiple Premier League titles, much less one.
He is more effective at European competitions than domestic ones and changes his roster way too much.
i feel at the end of the season, the owners will be singing a different song bout rafa.
Post by: boss on March 21, 2009, 10:49:23 AM
Liverpool vs Villa SO important tomorrow... :beermug:
Post by: Bakes on March 21, 2009, 11:08:58 AM
Before they give that fool he marching f**kking papers?
steups
I agree with you. Rafa is not the man to take Liverpool to multiple Premier League titles, much less one.
He is more effective at European competitions than domestic ones and changes his roster way too much.
I usually defer to managers... as I like to say there's a reason dem managing and I posting. But nah man, Rafa shows NO imagination whatsoever and I fear that complacency has set in with this side.
Still time left...
Post by: kaliman2006 on March 21, 2009, 11:09:05 AM
Trying to stay calm here.... :)
Liverpool vs Villa SO important tomorrow... :beermug:
This game will literally make or break Liverpool's season as far as its title aspirations are concerned.
Despite the fatigue and picong that Liverpool and ManU supporters give each other on this forum, Man Utd is too good of a club to stay in a slump in form for long, so Liverpool HAS to seize their chance tomorrow.
Anything less than a win tomorrow will effectively signal the death knell to Liverpool's title hopes.
Post by: elan on March 21, 2009, 11:34:01 AM
Post by: Feliziano on March 21, 2009, 11:42:16 AM
it seem like evry year he spend in the EPL so far he has learnt something newBefore they give that fool he marching f**kking papers?
steups
I agree with you. Rafa is not the man to take Liverpool to multiple Premier League titles, much less one.
He is more effective at European competitions than domestic ones and changes his roster way too much.
I usually defer to managers... as I like to say there's a reason dem managing and I posting. But nah man, Rafa shows NO imagination whatsoever and I fear that complacency has set in with this side.
Still time left...
example this year he now realize he can't rotate and disrupt the chemistry
but then again he alienate certain players and was too self serving in his contract dealing
i just feel we should give him one more year cause i ent really think he has failed as much as most people would like to think
especially if we end up in the CL final and finish 2nd in the league
Post by: Feliziano on March 21, 2009, 11:43:37 AM
dittoTrying to stay calm here.... :)
Liverpool vs Villa SO important tomorrow... :beermug:
This game will literally make or break Liverpool's season as far as its title aspirations are concerned.
Despite the fatigue and picong that Liverpool and ManU supporters give each other on this forum, Man Utd is too good of a club to stay in a slump in form for long, so Liverpool HAS to seize their chance tomorrow.
Anything less than a win tomorrow will effectively signal the death knell to Liverpool's title hopes.
that Fulham loss was an unexpected bonus for us and Chelsea
they didnt take advantage :P
hopefully we can tomorrow
Post by: Feliziano on March 21, 2009, 12:02:28 PM
Anfield is primed for a top-of-the-table clash on Sunday as Liverpool entertain Aston Villa.
The hosts still harbour title aspirations following last weekend's 4-1 humbling of Manchester United, while Villa continue to pursue a top-four finish.
It is the Reds who will enter the game as strong favourites, though, as they have found form at a crucial stage of the season.
They also boast an impressive record this season against those sides flying high in the Premier League table, going unbeaten through six games against teams inside the top five.
Rafa Benitez's men are unbeaten in 14 against the current top 10 and have gone 25 games on home soil since they last tasted defeat.
They can also boast the formidable partnership of Steven Gerrard and Fernando Torres within their ranks, with the Reds unbeaten on the nine occasions in which the pair have started alongside each other this season.
They have scored 11 goals between them in those nine games, while Gerrard has scored more Premier League goals (six) against Villa than any other team.
As if the task facing Villa was not already difficult enough, Martin O'Neill's men have started to wobble badly of late.
They have failed to win any of their last seven games in all competitions and have slipped out of the UEFA Champions League places.
Villa have won only one of their six matches against the big four this season and are yet to secure a top flight victory over Liverpool in 14 attempts.
Liverpool will be hoping that Xabi Alonso shakes off a slight knock in time to take his place in midfield.
The Spaniard has been nursing a calf strain of late but could be fit enough to make the crunch clash.
Yossi Benayoun is sidelined with a hamstring injury, Philipp Degen has a groin strain but Alvaro Arbeloa could come into contention after tweaking a hamstring prior to the Reds' Old Trafford success.
Daniel Agger is another notable absentee as he continues to nurse a back complaint.
Striker John Carew is pushing hard for a return to the Aston Villa starting line-up after convincing O'Neill he is back to full fitness following a back problem.
The Norwegian international heads for Anfield having netted twice as a substitute recently against Stoke and Tottenham, and will battle with Emile Heskey and goal-shy Gabriel Agbonlahor for a place.
O'Neill has to decide whether left-back Wilfred Bouma is ready to play any part after eight months out of action with a dislocated ankle.
Midfielder Steve Sidwell could also come into the equation after returning to training following a recent ankle setback.
Possible starting XIs
Liverpool: Reina, Carragher, Skrtel, Hyypia, Aurelio, Mascherano, Lucas, Kuyt, Gerrard, Riera, Torres.
Villa: Friedel, Cuellar, Davies, Knight, Luke Young, Milner, Petrov, Barry, Ashley Young, Agbonlahor, Heskey.
Rafa da Gaffa..just make sure and get yuh team selection right
hopefully Arbeloa, Xabi and Benayoun back
just don't start Dossena or have him playing left back :praying:
Post by: Bakes on March 21, 2009, 12:35:44 PM
it seem like evry year he spend in the EPL so far he has learnt something new
example this year he now realize he can't rotate and disrupt the chemistry
but then again he alienate certain players and was too self serving in his contract dealing
i just feel we should give him one more year cause i ent really think he has failed as much as most people would like to think
especially if we end up in the CL final and finish 2nd in the league
Feliziano... see dai'z de thing, given our history and pedigree as a club I think we should be aspiring to more than just that.
Post by: capodetutticapi on March 21, 2009, 12:41:57 PM
even de supporters have no belief.it seem like evry year he spend in the EPL so far he has learnt something new
example this year he now realize he can't rotate and disrupt the chemistry
but then again he alienate certain players and was too self serving in his contract dealing
i just feel we should give him one more year cause i ent really think he has failed as much as most people would like to think
especially if we end up in the CL final and finish 2nd in the league
Feliziano... see dai'z de thing, given our history and pedigree as a club I think we should be aspiring to more than just that.
Post by: kaliman2006 on March 22, 2009, 02:20:13 AM
even de supporters have no belief.it seem like evry year he spend in the EPL so far he has learnt something new
example this year he now realize he can't rotate and disrupt the chemistry
but then again he alienate certain players and was too self serving in his contract dealing
i just feel we should give him one more year cause i ent really think he has failed as much as most people would like to think
especially if we end up in the CL final and finish 2nd in the league
Feliziano... see dai'z de thing, given our history and pedigree as a club I think we should be aspiring to more than just that.
If Rafa Benitez was cut from the same cloth as Kenny Dalglish, then maybe I would be more confident.
However, for now, I am cautiously optimistic.
Post by: sammy on March 22, 2009, 06:42:55 AM
it seem like evry year he spend in the EPL so far he has learnt something new
example this year he now realize he can't rotate and disrupt the chemistry
but then again he alienate certain players and was too self serving in his contract dealing
i just feel we should give him one more year cause i ent really think he has failed as much as most people would like to think
especially if we end up in the CL final and finish 2nd in the league
Feliziano... see dai'z de thing, given our history and pedigree as a club I think we should be aspiring to more than just that.
thinking like panday....... 2nd place good enough.
GO VILLA (not capri eh :rotfl:)
Post by: Feliziano on March 22, 2009, 07:06:46 AM
yeah is true we should be aiming for #1 everytime but what if he had won the EPL in his 1st season then nothing after that..then people woulda start saying it ws a fluke etc loleven de supporters have no belief.it seem like evry year he spend in the EPL so far he has learnt something new
example this year he now realize he can't rotate and disrupt the chemistry
but then again he alienate certain players and was too self serving in his contract dealing
i just feel we should give him one more year cause i ent really think he has failed as much as most people would like to think
especially if we end up in the CL final and finish 2nd in the league
Feliziano... see dai'z de thing, given our history and pedigree as a club I think we should be aspiring to more than just that.
If Rafa Benitez was cut from the same cloth as Kenny Dalglish, then maybe I would be more confident.
However, for now, I am cautiously optimistic.
i think the squad has grown from strength to strenght..besides the time like firing Paco Ayesteran or selling Warnock
Rafa needs to just manage the team and avoid the sopa opera shit
if we fire Rafa who available right now to take over?
i would like to see Kenny Dalglish back
Post by: kaliman2006 on March 22, 2009, 08:34:13 AM
yeah is true we should be aiming for #1 everytime but what if he had won the EPL in his 1st season then nothing after that..then people woulda start saying it ws a fluke etc loleven de supporters have no belief.it seem like evry year he spend in the EPL so far he has learnt something new
example this year he now realize he can't rotate and disrupt the chemistry
but then again he alienate certain players and was too self serving in his contract dealing
i just feel we should give him one more year cause i ent really think he has failed as much as most people would like to think
especially if we end up in the CL final and finish 2nd in the league
Feliziano... see dai'z de thing, given our history and pedigree as a club I think we should be aspiring to more than just that.
If Rafa Benitez was cut from the same cloth as Kenny Dalglish, then maybe I would be more confident.
However, for now, I am cautiously optimistic.
i think the squad has grown from strength to strenght..besides the time like firing Paco Ayesteran or selling Warnock
Rafa needs to just manage the team and avoid the sopa opera shit
if we fire Rafa who available right now to take over?
i would like to see Kenny Dalglish back
Agreed. Ferguson is an expert at handling verbal exchanges at opposing coaches and Rafa's tirade against him and the referees will only backfire.
He just needs to focus on teh home stretch now and avoid the verbal war with Ferguson.
Post by: capodetutticapi on March 22, 2009, 10:12:25 AM
Post by: Bakes on March 22, 2009, 10:12:50 AM
1-0 Liverpool
Post by: sammy on March 22, 2009, 10:24:47 AM
Post by: Bakes on March 22, 2009, 10:35:31 AM
Still 1-0 in the 31'
EDIT:
Riera with a brilliant looping first-time volley off a direct kick from Reina... past a hapless Friedel.
2-0 Liverpool in the 33'
Post by: freakazoid on March 22, 2009, 10:39:11 AM
Post by: WestCoast on March 22, 2009, 10:39:56 AM
this victory will move liverpool up to 2nd in the laliga standings;D
Post by: Bakes on March 22, 2009, 10:43:05 AM
3-0 Liverpool
Gerrard with the penalty in the 40'
Post by: mukumsplau on March 22, 2009, 10:54:21 AM
Post by: kaliman2006 on March 22, 2009, 11:03:10 AM
im not sure but i think im having feelings for liverpool
Come over to the REAL reds, not the imposters from Manchester.
Post by: Mango Chow! on March 22, 2009, 11:08:10 AM
im not sure but i think im having feelings for liverpool
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :D
Post by: Bakes on March 22, 2009, 11:13:02 AM
4-0 Liverpool in the 50'
Post by: scarface on March 22, 2009, 11:15:48 AM
Captain Fantastic with the free kick...
4-0 Liverpool in the 50'
3 times in 3 games!!! impressive
Post by: capodetutticapi on March 22, 2009, 11:16:23 AM
yuh jockeys gettin tight.im not sure but i think im having feelings for liverpool
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :D
Post by: Observer on March 22, 2009, 11:18:24 AM
Captain Fantastic with the free kick...
4-0 Liverpool in the 50'
3 times in 3 games!!! impressive
What I cannot believe is that people still Question Rafa's ability. What a joke!
Post by: scarface on March 22, 2009, 11:22:28 AM
Captain Fantastic with the free kick...
4-0 Liverpool in the 50'
3 times in 3 games!!! impressive
What I cannot believe is that people still Question Rafa's ability. What a joke!
that is cuz ppl look at these last 3 games and then wonder y the hell were they drawing against the like of stoke & blackburn at home?! & doh say injuries....cuz top teams shud be able to cope wit injuries to a few players..that is d point of havin a big squad such as liverpool's
Post by: Bakes on March 22, 2009, 11:28:52 AM
What I cannot believe is that people still Question Rafa's ability. What a joke!
Ability... no.
Performance... yes.
This is nothing new for Liverpool... we're still in second place after all. When we were at the top of the table 2-3 months ago the team performed horribly... failing to take maximum points from the likes of Hull and Stokes. Two measurable differences in the team since then have been the return of Torres and the departure of Keane. He finally seems to have ditched the failed 'rotation' policy and players know they can settle down and just play football.
Post by: capodetutticapi on March 22, 2009, 11:29:28 AM
Post by: Bakes on March 22, 2009, 11:29:52 AM
Harsh, harsh decision by Martin Atkinson to show Friedel the red... no way he could have avoided the collision (after a genuine attempt to play the ball) with Torres. Unfair scoreline for Friedel today.
Love the commentary by Efan Ekoku by the way... black color analyst, and not shy about his opinion either.
"The law is an ass..." remarking on the red card shown to Friedel.
Post by: samo on March 22, 2009, 11:30:55 AM
Post by: freakazoid on March 22, 2009, 11:31:10 AM
Post by: kaliman2006 on March 22, 2009, 11:32:24 AM
Captain Fantastic with the free kick...
4-0 Liverpool in the 50'
3 times in 3 games!!! impressive
What I cannot believe is that people still Question Rafa's ability. What a joke!
Guilty as charged.
Maybe I should give him the benefit of the doubt.
Post by: scarface on March 22, 2009, 11:32:34 AM
Post by: Bakes on March 22, 2009, 11:33:45 AM
actually was refree with d penalty
The penalty was the right decision.
Scarface... the law wasn't properly applied, Friedel didn't deliberately impede/take him down, nor was he the last defender, Reo-Coker was in line with, if not behind him.
Post by: scarface on March 22, 2009, 11:34:28 AM
Gerrard once more with a penalty... hat trick for the 5-0'
Harsh, harsh decision by Martin Atkinson to show Friedel the red... no way he could have avoided the collision (after a genuine attempt to play the ball) with Torres. Unfair scoreline for Friedel today.
Love the commentary by Efan Ekoku by the way... black color analyst, and not shy about his opinion either.
"The law is an ass..." remarking on the red card shown to Friedel.
i thought that was what i heard him say!! lol
Post by: WestCoast on March 22, 2009, 11:35:22 AM
makes things very interesting indeed
now if only Sunderland could start to play so
Post by: capodetutticapi on March 22, 2009, 11:38:30 AM
Post by: elan on March 22, 2009, 11:39:15 AM
Post by: dinho on March 22, 2009, 11:42:58 AM
well at least this makes the title race a lil more interesting.
If only Chelsea couldve capitalized yesterday.
Manu Fans... ah feel Villa beat themselves today, just like how Manu Beat themselves against Liverpool and Fulham.... I aint no Pool fan (Chelsea all the way) But if Chelsea cyah take the title then anybody but ManUre
nah boy... title to liverpool or man utd come like choosing between death by fire or drowning. Out of the top 4, if is anybody but Chelsea i could only say Arsenal.
Post by: kaliman2006 on March 22, 2009, 11:45:41 AM
Riera put a neat fitting cap on a man by the corner flag...
well at least this makes the title race a lil more interesting.
If only Chelsea couldve capitalized yesterday.Manu Fans... ah feel Villa beat themselves today, just like how Manu Beat themselves against Liverpool and Fulham.... I aint no Pool fan (Chelsea all the way) But if Chelsea cyah take the title then anybody but ManUre
nah boy... title to liverpool or man utd come like choosing between death by fire or drowning. Out of the top 4, if is anybody but Chelsea i could only say Arsenal.
I actually don't mind if Chelsea wins it; ah jess couldn't stand Mourinho back in de day, so ah had some bad feelings for Chelsea.
Now that Mourinho gone, ah really don't care one way or de other.
Anybody but ManU
Post by: LondonTrini LFC on March 22, 2009, 11:58:29 AM
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on March 22, 2009, 12:05:19 PM
but well done Pool..great result
Title Race is on
but you still going trophy less cuz Rafa will crack up before season end :devil:
Post by: LondonTrini LFC on March 22, 2009, 12:06:28 PM
I hope that red card stands...That bastard always has massive games vs Utd------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
but well done Pool..great result
Title Race is on
but you still going trophy less cuz Rafa will crack up before season end :devil:
1 Man Utd 29 31 65
2 Liverpool 30 33 64
3 Chelsea 30 32 61
4 Arsenal 30 21 55
--------------------------------------
5 Ast. Villa 30 7 52
Post by: boss on March 22, 2009, 12:09:52 PM
- Fingers crossed for no injuries during the international break
- Great to see Agger back
- I think Freidel's red card will be rescinded as there was a covering defender (I think. Didn't see a replay)
- Thought LFC old boys Freidel and Heskey got an excellent reception from the Kop, and the overall atmosphere was one of the best of the season
- What a player Gerrard is (my fantasy team captain ;D )
- Goal difference could be crucial
Post by: LondonTrini LFC on March 22, 2009, 12:12:31 PM
My notes: :beermug:
- Fingers crossed for no injuries during the international break
- Great to see Agger back
- I think Freidel's red card will be rescinded as there was a covering defender (I think. Didn't see a replay)
- Thought LFC old boys Freidel and Heskey got an excellent reception from the Kop, and the overall atmosphere was one of the best of the season
- What a player Gerrard is (my fantasy team captain ;D )
- Goal difference could be crucial
it go be real tight... but for months ah tellin meh bredrins and dem (not on here) it go be either a goal or a point a la the Dutch league a season or 2 ago...
but we go see...
as long as we keep everybody fit and on de pitch, we could...
no reason why not...
Post by: Tenorsaw on March 22, 2009, 12:12:43 PM
Post by: Bakes on March 22, 2009, 12:14:16 PM
My notes: :beermug:
- Fingers crossed for no injuries during the international break
- Great to see Agger back
- I think Freidel's red card will be rescinded as there was a covering defender (I think. Didn't see a replay)
- Thought LFC old boys Freidel and Heskey got an excellent reception from the Kop, and the overall atmosphere was one of the best of the season
- What a player Gerrard is (my fantasy team captain ;D )
- Goal difference could be crucial
Well done lol :beermug:
I thought it was real classy of the Kop to applaud Friedel as he walked off.
Post by: dwolfman on March 22, 2009, 12:14:42 PM
Keep it coming.
Post by: capodetutticapi on March 22, 2009, 12:19:17 PM
Post by: Observer on March 22, 2009, 12:25:44 PM
actually was refree with d penalty
The penalty was the right decision.
Scarface... the law wasn't properly applied, Friedel didn't deliberately impede/take him down, nor was he the last defender, Reo-Coker was in line with, if not behind him.
Nah nah nah that was not a penalty. What was the keeper to do? Disappear! Poor call.
Post by: Mango Chow! on March 22, 2009, 12:25:57 PM
actually was refree with d penalty
The penalty was the right decision.
Scarface... the law wasn't properly applied, Friedel didn't deliberately impede/take him down, nor was he the last defender, Reo-Coker was in line with, if not behind him.
I think Brad Freidel DID intentionally try to impede him, but he tried to do it ever so slightly to make it look unintentional.........but I still don't think it warranted a red card. Had Freidel actually not turned his shoulder/back into Torres I don't even think the ref mighta been able to call a foul because Freidel was in position and waiting for the ball when Torres was a couple yards away and Torres' own momentum is what took HIM into Freidel, but the ref probably saw that slight "nudge" by Freidel as B&E and handed down a sentence for GTA.
Post by: dinho on March 22, 2009, 12:27:19 PM
all this will make de next 8 games very interesting.love de sudden surge by liverpool.with this 2 week break manchester will get they house in order and be on their way to an 18th title.is ah 2 horse race now.
*ahem.... a 3 horse race.
Post by: capodetutticapi on March 22, 2009, 12:29:10 PM
yuh should consider buckleys fuh that sore throat. ;Dall this will make de next 8 games very interesting.love de sudden surge by liverpool.with this 2 week break manchester will get they house in order and be on their way to an 18th title.is ah 2 horse race now.
*ahem.... a 3 horse race.
Post by: Mango Chow! on March 22, 2009, 12:31:57 PM
actually was refree with d penalty
The penalty was the right decision.
Scarface... the law wasn't properly applied, Friedel didn't deliberately impede/take him down, nor was he the last defender, Reo-Coker was in line with, if not behind him.
Nah nah nah that was not a penalty. What was the keeper to do? Disappear! Poor call.
I with you on that, Observer, in that, the "laws" or "lawmakers" of the game have no sense or discretion, Hence Efan Ekoku's well-placed and timely comments. 'keepers get too much protection sometimes when going for balls in the air and none at all when going at the feet of opponents for the ball. Go figure. Liverpool lookin' dangerous, though. I eh sure Chelsea go get past them in CL if play remains the same.
Post by: Bakes on March 22, 2009, 12:34:42 PM
Nah nah nah that was not a penalty. What was the keeper to do? Disappear! Poor call.
Observer, whether Friedel accidentally fouled him or not isn't the deciding factor... accidental fouls happen all the time and the fact is Friedel actively played the ball, wasn't like he was just kneeling there and Torres deliberately ran into him. He actively played the ball and Torres just slipped it beyond him. Friedel obstructed him and from my understanding of the rules, that's a foul.
Intention only goes towards establishing whether he deliberately impeded him from a clear goal-scoring opportunity or not (meriting a red card).
I think Brad Freidel DID intentionally try to impede him, but he tried to do it ever so slightly to make it look unintentional.........but I still don't think it warranted a red card. Had Freidel actually not turned his shoulder/back into Torres I don't even think the ref mighta been able to call a foul because Freidel was in position and waiting for the ball when Torres was a couple yards away and Torres' own momentum is what took HIM into Freidel, but the ref probably saw that slight "nudge" by Freidel as B&E and handed down a sentence for GTA.
That "nudge" could properly be interpreted as Friedel bracing himself for the impact... didn't appear to me that he was trying to make contact with Torres. In fact it looked as thought Torres exaggerated the collision a little bit to ensure that he got the call.
Post by: Feliziano on March 22, 2009, 12:34:55 PM
Steven Gerrard scored a deadball hat-trick as Premier League title chasers Liverpool crushed 10-man Aston Villa 5-0 at Anfield on Sunday.
It was the third stunning Liverpool victory in 12 days, having previously put four goals past Real Madrid and Manchester United.
The champions' lead is now one point - although they also have a game in hand - but Liverpool have now scored more goals than Sir Alex Ferguson's men and have also wiped out their goal-difference advantage.
Villa had no answer to a side with a driven desire to take the title from under United's noses.
Gerrard's hat-trick consisted of a free-kick and two penalties, with the latter one following the dismissal of goalkeeper Brad Friedel for bringing down Reds striker Fernando Torres.
In the first half, Dirk Kuyt and Albert Riera had scored, before Gerrard took over with his set-piece onslaught.
Liverpool had Xabi Alonso and Alvaro Arbeloa back from respective ankle and hamstring injuries that ruled them out of last weekend's win at Manchester United, with Sami Hyypia and Lucas relegated to the bench.
They were joined there by defender Daniel Agger, who has only played one game since mid-December after a variety of injury problems.
Villa boss Martin O'Neill left out striker Gabriel Agbonlahor, who has scored only twice since before Christmas and was booed by his club's own fans last weekend. Defender Zat Knight was also on the bench, with John Carew and Curtis Davies back in the side.
There was still a solemn start to the proceedings, with a minute's silence following the death on Saturday of 56-year-old club secretary Bryce Morrison, after he had flown back from the Champions League draw in Switzerland.
Morrison, who had worked at Anfield for 17 years, suffered a heart attack at home. Both teams wore black armbands.
The game got off to a blistering start, and after eight minutes Liverpool were ahead.
Alonso's header from Gerrard's free-kick cracked against the bar, and Dirk Kuyt reacted quickest to blast the ball home from 12 yards.
At the other end Ashley Young's cross arrowed in from the left and Carew's flick at the near post almost caught out Jose Reina - but the goalkeeper tipped the ball over the angle.
The contest was ferocious, and Gerrard was then rightly booked for a fierce, late, challenge on Davies.
Then Reina made another outstanding save to his left to claw away a towering header from Carew - who played under Benitez at Valencia.
Liverpool were relentless and after 33 minutes they claimed a second goal.
Reina's 80-yard clearance was allowed to bounce once on the edge of the area by a Villa defence pre-occupied with Torres and Riera took full advantage by smashing the dropping ball high into the net.
It could have been three when Arbeloa intercepted a bad Friedel clearance inside the Villa box, but he chose to pass to Torres rather than shooting himself.
But the third was not long coming. After 39 minutes Riera controlled a searching crossfield pass from Kuyt, and was brought down in the box by Nigel Reo-Coker. Gerrard smashed home the spot-kick.
Any thoughts of a Villa revival were crushed after 50 minutes when Carlos Cuellar brought down Kuyt on the edge of the box and Gerrard drilled the free-kick low to Friedel's left and into the bottom corner.
Former Reds striker Emile Heskey had a header held by Reina, but was by now being employed on the left trying to halt Arbeloa and Kuyt's flow down the flank - with Young switched to a central attacking role.
The ploy did not last long - Agbonlahor replaced Heskey after 58 minutes, with Young back on the line- but things got worse for Villa after 63 minutes when Friedel was dismissed for clashing with Torres and Gerrard drilled home the fifth past Villa's reserve keeper Brad Guzan.
Lucas, Agger and David Ngog replaced Alonso, Arbeloa and Gerrard in the closing minutes of a comprehensive victory.
Post by: Bakes on March 22, 2009, 12:38:39 PM
Post by: Feliziano on March 22, 2009, 12:45:38 PM
My notes: :beermug:good points
- Fingers crossed for no injuries during the international break
- Great to see Agger back
- I think Freidel's red card will be rescinded as there was a covering defender (I think. Didn't see a replay)
- Thought LFC old boys Freidel and Heskey got an excellent reception from the Kop, and the overall atmosphere was one of the best of the season
- What a player Gerrard is (my fantasy team captain ;D )
- Goal difference could be crucial
ah tell allyuh like Rafa learn he lesson bout this rotation shit
the only players who should be rotated every now and then barring injuries are Riera and Kuyt with Babel and Benyayoun
ah hope Babel injured and didnt get dropped this game though or else dat mean Rafa still doing shit
i just feel we could do it..all de 'cracking up' already done for the season
is Man U turn now, maybe that international break might be enough to get back on track
Post by: Mango Chow! on March 22, 2009, 12:57:26 PM
Nah nah nah that was not a penalty. What was the keeper to do? Disappear! Poor call.
Observer, whether Friedel accidentally fouled him or not isn't the deciding factor... accidental fouls happen all the time and the fact is Friedel actively played the ball, wasn't like he was just kneeling there and Torres deliberately ran into him. He actively played the ball and Torres just slipped it beyond him. Friedel obstructed him and from my understanding of the rules, that's a foul.
Intention only goes towards establishing whether he deliberately impeded him from a clear goal-scoring opportunity or not (meriting a red card).I think Brad Freidel DID intentionally try to impede him, but he tried to do it ever so slightly to make it look unintentional.........but I still don't think it warranted a red card. Had Freidel actually not turned his shoulder/back into Torres I don't even think the ref mighta been able to call a foul because Freidel was in position and waiting for the ball when Torres was a couple yards away and Torres' own momentum is what took HIM into Freidel, but the ref probably saw that slight "nudge" by Freidel as B&E and handed down a sentence for GTA.
That "nudge" could properly be interpreted as Friedel bracing himself for the impact... didn't appear to me that he was trying to make contact with Torres. In fact it looked as thought Torres exaggerated the collision a little bit to ensure that he got the call.
The "obstruction" call is supposed to be made when you are actively playing the man or impeding his path to the ball with no intention of actively playing the ball. Torres slipped the ball past the 'keeper and, Freidel already being on his knees, had no where to go. I agree that that "nudge" could have been interpreted as bracing for impact, but it could have been interpreted the way I did as well, and indeed I think it was so by the referee. If obstruction was not left to interpretation and was as black and white as you describe above, then whenever a defender shielded a ball out for a goal kick rather than let a forward get to it, the defender would get called for the foul every time.
Post by: Bakes on March 22, 2009, 01:08:43 PM
The "obstruction" call is supposed to be made when you are actively playing the man or impeding his path to the ball with no intention of actively playing the ball. Torres slipped the ball past the 'keeper and, Freidel already being on his knees, had no where to go. I agree that that "nudge" could have been interpreted as bracing for impact, but it could have been interpreted the way I did as well, and indeed I think it was so by the referee. If obstruction was not left to interpretation and was as black and white as you describe above, then whenever a defender shielded a ball out for a goal kick rather than let a forward get to it, the defender would get called for the foul every time.
By no means am I suggesting the call is black and white. I think though that there's a difference between "shielding" a man off a 50/50 ball which you have an opportunity to get to, and deliberately preventing a man from going after a ball which you have NO chance of getting to... the latter will be called a foul under most circumstances.
Not that I think Friedel deliberately prevented Torres from going after the ball... which is why I'm not arguing that "obstruction" should be called. I said he obstructed Torres from going after the ball, but this was an accidental obstruction resulting from him actively playing the ball and missing it. This is no better than an outfield defender lunging at a 50/50 ball and getting man instead... or playing the ball and "accidentally" fouling the attacking player instead. As I said, accidental fouls happen all the time.
Post by: boss on March 22, 2009, 01:09:04 PM
RAFA: WE SHOULD HAVE SCORED MORE
Jimmy Rice 22 March 2009
Rafa Benitez claimed he would have liked to have seen more goals after his side's 5-0 thrashing of Aston Villa.
Steven Gerrard took his season's tally to 21 with a hat-trick including two penalties, while further goals for Dirk Kuyt and Albert Riera completed the rout.
The whitewash means Liverpool now have a superior goal difference to leaders Manchester United - but the manager would have liked to have seen the net bulge even more.
"The team was doing well but it's true I am not totally happy because we could have scored more goals from the counter attack," said Benitez, who wanted the Reds to push on after the dismissal of Brad Friedel at 4-0.
"We were playing against 10 players and had three or four more chances. It's really important to take them because you never know what's going to happen with the goal difference.
"Today it wasn't key but in other games it has been. I wanted more goals. It's an area we need to improve.
"Don't get me wrong, I am really pleased and happy. The players did a fantastic job but you can always improve."
The result puts Liverpool just one point behind United having played a game more.
On where it leaves the title race, Benitez said: "We said before we needed to do our job and wait for United to make mistakes. Now we are closer but they are still in a much better position. We need to keep going and pushing them.
"You cannot be thinking too much about what they will do and how many mistakes they will make. You cannot have any influence on this.
"We are closer and they will see we are working hard to win games. Every game is like a final for us now.
"They will know we can beat anyone but each game is different so we need to keep this momentum and confidence."
Asked if he thought Manchester United were feeling the pressure following two straight defeats, Benitez responded: "I don't know, talk to Mr Ferguson. My impression is that Liverpool are doing well."
The boss also reserved a word for Pepe Reina, who became the fastest goalkeeper in Liverpool history to keep 100 clean sheets.
"Pepe is a fantastic goalkeeper," he said. "They had some chances and he did well. He's beaten Ray Clemence's record and I am really pleased for him, and also pleased because these kind of saves can keep you in the game."
Benitez confirmed that Gerrard and Fernando Torres would now leave for international duty.
The Spaniard hopes the enforced break from action will not affect his side's momentum.
"If we can keep this momentum it will be good. Hopefully after the international break the players will come back with the same mentality and confidence," he said.
Liverpool could be top of the table before United kick another Premier League ball - not that Benitez is looking too far ahead.
"We have to win and after see the table. I prefer to talk after the game. You can talk about doing this or that but you have to win the game and then talk afterwards."
Meanwhile, Benitez began his press conference with a message to the family of club secretary Bryce Morrison, who died aged 57 yesterday.
He said: "First of all I want to give my sympathy to the family of Bryce Morrison. He is a big loss and yesterday was a sad day."
Post by: sammy on March 22, 2009, 01:15:16 PM
My notes: :beermug:good points
- Fingers crossed for no injuries during the international break
- Great to see Agger back
- I think Freidel's red card will be rescinded as there was a covering defender (I think. Didn't see a replay)
- Thought LFC old boys Freidel and Heskey got an excellent reception from the Kop, and the overall atmosphere was one of the best of the season
- What a player Gerrard is (my fantasy team captain ;D )
- Goal difference could be crucial
ah tell allyuh like Rafa learn he lesson bout this rotation shit
the only players who should be rotated every now and then barring injuries are Riera and Kuyt with Babel and Benyayoun
ah hope Babel injured and didnt get dropped this game though or else dat mean Rafa still doing shit
i just feel we could do it..all de 'cracking up' already done for the season
is Man U turn now, maybe that international break might be enough to get back on track
oh gosh... hush u goat mouth nah man...... >:( ;D
Post by: Mango Chow! on March 22, 2009, 01:35:35 PM
The "obstruction" call is supposed to be made when you are actively playing the man or impeding his path to the ball with no intention of actively playing the ball. Torres slipped the ball past the 'keeper and, Freidel already being on his knees, had no where to go. I agree that that "nudge" could have been interpreted as bracing for impact, but it could have been interpreted the way I did as well, and indeed I think it was so by the referee. If obstruction was not left to interpretation and was as black and white as you describe above, then whenever a defender shielded a ball out for a goal kick rather than let a forward get to it, the defender would get called for the foul every time.
There's a difference between "shielding" a man off a 50/50 ball which you have an opportunity to get to, and deliberately preventing a man from going after a ball which you have NO chance of getting to... example getting beats in the open field with your back to goal and just throwing yourself in front the attacking player to stop him. The latter will be called a foul under most circumstances.
Not that I think Friedel deliberately prevented Torres from going after the ball... which is why I'm not arguing that "obstruction" should be called. I said he obstructed Torres from going after the ball, but this was an accidental obstruction resulting from him actively playing the ball and missing it. This is no better than an outfield defender lunging at a 50/50 ball and getting man instead... or playing the ball and "accidentally" fouling the attacking player instead. As I said, accidental fouls happen all the time.
Torres' poor first touch on the ball made it a ball that was more Brad Freidel's ball than a 50/50; Brad Freidel positions himself to receive the ball. Not lunging for it, not diving at torres' feet or anything, he has simply but quickly positioned himself on his knees to receive the ball that Torres played in his favor; Torres then somehow recovers from his poor touch and, at the last second plays the ball away from both himself and Brad Freidel. If at THAT point, Torres collided with Freidel, and Freidel was "bracing for the impact" by taking evasive action then the referee could not have called a foul. Torres simply played himself out of control. The fact that Torres appeared to have changed direction in pursuit of the ball and Freidel made the slight motion in Torres' direction is what I think the referee interpreted as the "obstruction." All I am saying is that I don't think that Brad Freidel's intentions were simply to only "brace for the impact" and I think the referee saw it that way, too. Did Torres make a bit of a meal out of it? Yeah, but the 'keeper helped the decision a little bit. I hope Brad Freidel gets the red card rescinded. maybe it could have been interpreted as a foul, but I definitely don't think it was a red.
Post by: Bakes on March 22, 2009, 01:45:01 PM
Torres' poor first touch on the ball made it a ball that was more Brad Freidel's ball than a 50/50; Brad Freidel positions himself to receive the ball. Not lunging for it, not diving at torres' feet or anything, he has simply but quickly positioned himself on his knees to receive the ball that Torres played in his favor; Torres then somehow recovers from his poor touch and, at the last second plays the ball away from both himself and Brad Freidel. If at THAT point, Torres collided with Freidel, and Freidel was "bracing for the impact" by taking evasive action then the referee could not have called a foul. Torres simply played himself out of control. The fact that Torres appeared to have changed direction in pursuit of the ball and Freidel made the slight motion in Torres' direction is what I think the referee interpreted as the "obstruction." All I am saying is that I don't think that Brad Freidel's intentions were simply to only "brace for the impact" and I think the referee saw it that way, too. Did Torres make a bit of a meal out of it? Yeah, but the 'keeper helped the decision a little bit. I hope Brad Freidel gets the red card rescinded. maybe it could have been interpreted as a foul, but I definitely don't think it was a red.
Well, I won't keep going back and forth on the issue... the bolded actually reflects my position all along. The only difference is that I disagree with the "interpreted" part... to me it was a clear cut (even if unintentional) foul.
Other than that, not sure how you can assertively say that Torres' first touch made it a ball that was more Brad Freidel's than a 50/50. If that was the case then how come Torres got there first? Clearly it was either that both men could have reached it with equal odds... or Torres had the better chance. There's no other statistical explanation.
Post by: dinho on March 22, 2009, 01:50:12 PM
When the goalkeeper is in a 1 v 1 situation with an attacker and there is contact and he doesn't get any ball he really doesn't have a leg to stand on. Torres was smart in getting the final toe on the ball before inducing the contact to draw the call. Thats why as soon as Friedel realized the ball went past him he tried to get out of the way. What Friedel should have done (in retrospect) was attack the ball when Torres over pushed it with his first touch.
That said, I don't think it merited a red card. It was accidental contact and also its debatable whether he was the last man on the play.
Hopefully the card gets rescinded.
Post by: Feliziano on March 22, 2009, 02:09:44 PM
Imo it was a clear cut penalty.yeah we need him for Man U lol
When the goalkeeper is in a 1 v 1 situation with an attacker and there is contact and he doesn't get any ball he really doesn't have a leg to stand on. Torres was smart in getting the final toe on the ball before inducing the contact to draw the call. Thats why as soon as Friedel realized the ball went past him he tried to get out of the way. What Friedel should have done (in retrospect) was attack the ball when Torres over pushed it with his first touch.
That said, I don't think it merited a red card. It was accidental contact and also its debatable whether he was the last man on the play.
Hopefully the card gets rescinded.
Post by: Feliziano on March 22, 2009, 02:10:29 PM
Wha'is de story with Kicker boy Benayoun... he hurt?picked up a hamstring injury after the Madrid game
out indefintely
Post by: Mango Chow! on March 22, 2009, 02:21:41 PM
Torres' poor first touch on the ball made it a ball that was more Brad Freidel's ball than a 50/50; Brad Freidel positions himself to receive the ball. Not lunging for it, not diving at torres' feet or anything, he has simply but quickly positioned himself on his knees to receive the ball that Torres played in his favor; Torres then somehow recovers from his poor touch and, at the last second plays the ball away from both himself and Brad Freidel. If at THAT point, Torres collided with Freidel, and Freidel was "bracing for the impact" by taking evasive action then the referee could not have called a foul. Torres simply played himself out of control. The fact that Torres appeared to have changed direction in pursuit of the ball and Freidel made the slight motion in Torres' direction is what I think the referee interpreted as the "obstruction." All I am saying is that I don't think that Brad Freidel's intentions were simply to only "brace for the impact" and I think the referee saw it that way, too. Did Torres make a bit of a meal out of it? Yeah, but the 'keeper helped the decision a little bit. I hope Brad Freidel gets the red card rescinded. maybe it could have been interpreted as a foul, but I definitely don't think it was a red.
Well, I won't keep going back and forth on the issue... the bolded actually reflects my position all along. The only difference is that I disagree with the "interpreted" part... to me it was a clear cut (even if unintentional) foul.
Other than that, not sure how you can assertively say that Torres' first touch made it a ball that was more Brad Freidel's than a 50/50. If that was the case then how come Torres got there first? Clearly it was either that both men could have reached it with equal odds... or Torres had the better chance. There's no other statistical explanation.
I make that assertion because you can CLEARLY see Brad Freidel commit himself to kneeling down and waiting for the ball (with arms and hands extended to receive the ball) as Torres continued running and he didn't do it in the way that GK's do in one-on-one situations either. That's the only reason torres beat him to the ball. If Freidel were thinking like a feet-only player and not a like GK, and had chosen to play that ball with his feet instead, he would have gotten to that ball before Torres. He was committed and practically frozen in a kneeling position as Torres was continuing on his run. If Torres' touch on the ball had given him closer control of the ball or had it been more of a 50/50, Freidel's approach would have been different. You can't use "statistics" to evaluate a play all the time, guy. Where we really do differ is on your assertion that "all obstruction is a foul" based on the letter of the law and I disagree with you on what actually is obstruction in the first place. What I am saying, and to some extent, so is Observer, is that, had Brad Freidel not "braced himself for the impact" as you put it, that It should not have been a foul anyway, even though I'm sure liverpool woulda been cryin' for a penalty and the ref woulda give it. You and Omar clearly see it otherwise.
Post by: Bakes on March 22, 2009, 03:53:39 PM
I make that assertion because you can CLEARLY see Brad Freidel commit himself to kneeling down and waiting for the ball (with arms and hands extended to receive the ball) as Torres continued running and he didn't do it in the way that GK's do in one-on-one situations either. That's the only reason torres beat him to the ball. If Freidel were thinking like a feet-only player and not a like GK, and had chosen to play that ball with his feet instead, he would have gotten to that ball before Torres. He was committed and practically frozen in a kneeling position as Torres was continuing on his run. If Torres' touch on the ball had given him closer control of the ball or had it been more of a 50/50, Freidel's approach would have been different. You can't use "statistics" to evaluate a play all the time, guy. Where we really do differ is on your assertion that "all obstruction is a foul" based on the letter of the law and I disagree with you on what actually is obstruction in the first place. What I am saying, and to some extent, so is Observer, is that, had Brad Freidel not "braced himself for the impact" as you put it, that It should not have been a foul anyway, even though I'm sure liverpool woulda been cryin' for a penalty and the ref woulda give it. You and Omar clearly see it otherwise.
Your assertion that had Friedel been "thinking like a feet-only player" he would have gotten to the ball before Torres is spurious at best. You can't use statistics to evaluate a play all the time (not that I was), but neither can you use imagination. The ball was always Torres' to be won, his first touch wasn't nearly as bad as you make it out to be.
Had the penalty not been given nobody woulda been crying because we already had a 4-0 lead already. I can say this with some measure of authority because later on Cuellar handled the ball (first another defender, then him in succession) in the box trying to defend Torres'... Torres' appealed for the penalty briefly, before carrying on with his business after the ref decided to look the other way.
Post by: Observer on March 22, 2009, 04:36:26 PM
Watch it here http://www.mysoccerplace.net/video/liverpool-vs-aston-villa
Post by: Mango Chow! on March 22, 2009, 06:52:01 PM
That ball was not as always Torres' ball to be won as you make it out to be. As instantaneous as that play unfolded you can still see how quickly freidel moved from his starting position to where he ended up with three quick steps and a motion to change his posture into an awkward position, waiting to receive the ball. All while Torres is continuing one motion: running after the ball and even accelerating after his first touch. Had that been a defender running toward the ball from Freidel's position, with his mindset and approach to playing the ball with his feet the same as Torres, the defender was getting to that ball before Torres. If Freidel had decided to dive at Torres' feet to win that ball rather than maintain a quasi-upright position, he would have had an even better chance at winning the ball cleanly and would have been less likely to have to worry about "bracing for impact." But he made his decision and in an instant and didn't have the luxury of changing his mind, his posture or his rate of acceleration. You can only see it your way because you can only see things from a "feet-only" player's perspective. So be it. I still contend that the referee saw Freidel's "brace for impact" as the foul and not simply that it was his posture and/or position that was. And....whatever your measure of authority is in the liverpool dressing room, there's no way they would not have appealed for a penalty on that play. Even as the play unfolded and Torres was finishing his tumble the ground, you could see gerrard gesturing from damned near 40 yards away but the whistle was just as instantaneous.I make that assertion because you can CLEARLY see Brad Freidel commit himself to kneeling down and waiting for the ball (with arms and hands extended to receive the ball) as Torres continued running and he didn't do it in the way that GK's do in one-on-one situations either. That's the only reason torres beat him to the ball. If Freidel were thinking like a feet-only player and not a like GK, and had chosen to play that ball with his feet instead, he would have gotten to that ball before Torres. He was committed and practically frozen in a kneeling position as Torres was continuing on his run. If Torres' touch on the ball had given him closer control of the ball or had it been more of a 50/50, Freidel's approach would have been different. You can't use "statistics" to evaluate a play all the time, guy. Where we really do differ is on your assertion that "all obstruction is a foul" based on the letter of the law and I disagree with you on what actually is obstruction in the first place. What I am saying, and to some extent, so is Observer, is that, had Brad Freidel not "braced himself for the impact" as you put it, that It should not have been a foul anyway, even though I'm sure liverpool woulda been cryin' for a penalty and the ref woulda give it. You and Omar clearly see it otherwise.
Your assertion that had Friedel been "thinking like a feet-only player" he would have gotten to the ball before Torres is spurious at best. You can't use statistics to evaluate a play all the time (not that I was), but neither can you use imagination. The ball was always Torres' to be won, his first touch wasn't nearly as bad as you make it out to be.
Had the penalty not been given nobody woulda been crying because we already had a 4-0 lead already. I can say this with some measure of authority because later on Cuellar handled the ball (first another defender, then him in succession) in the box trying to defend Torres'... Torres' appealed for the penalty briefly, before carrying on with his business after the ref decided to look the other way.
Observer, with all due respect, it kinda hard to make a case that you're trying to get out of the way of an onrushing player when your move your body into him eh. I eh sayin' is not de case, but is a little harder to make de case. ;D But I wit yuh: them kinda situations are not always to the keepers' advantage. Even if Freidel woulda dive at the ball, torres woulda drag he foot, create contact, tumble on de ground and win a penalty anyway.
Post by: dwolfman on March 22, 2009, 07:12:42 PM
The way I saw it Freidel was actually trying to get out the way. He turned his head & shoulder if anything stood his ground. The Liverpool fans recognize the poor decision and even applauded Freidel off the field.
Watch it here http://www.mysoccerplace.net/video/liverpool-vs-aston-villa
Weren't they applauding him off the field because he was a former Liverpool player? Didn't Heskey also receive applause?
Post by: Bakes on March 23, 2009, 01:34:31 AM
That ball was not as always Torres' ball to be won as you make it out to be. As instantaneous as that play unfolded you can still see how quickly freidel moved from his starting position to where he ended up with three quick steps and a motion to change his posture into an awkward position, waiting to receive the ball. All while Torres is continuing one motion: running after the ball and even accelerating after his first touch. Had that been a defender running toward the ball from Freidel's position, with his mindset and approach to playing the ball with his feet the same as Torres, the defender was getting to that ball before Torres. If Freidel had decided to dive at Torres' feet to win that ball rather than maintain a quasi-upright position, he would have had an even better chance at winning the ball cleanly and would have been less likely to have to worry about "bracing for impact." But he made his decision and in an instant and didn't have the luxury of changing his mind, his posture or his rate of acceleration. You can only see it your way because you can only see things from a "feet-only" player's perspective. So be it. I still contend that the referee saw Freidel's "brace for impact" as the foul and not simply that it was his posture and/or position that was. And....whatever your measure of authority is in the liverpool dressing room, there's no way they would not have appealed for a penalty on that play. Even as the play unfolded and Torres was finishing his tumble the ground, you could see gerrard gesturing from damned near 40 yards away but the whistle was just as instantaneous.
Wow... not only can you read Brad Freidel's mind to say what he was thinking and what he could have done, but you can also read my mind through my computer to tell me how I think. It never ceases to amaze me the amount of talent we have on this forum.
Truth is I did contemplate what the outcome might have been had Freidel dove or slide in feet first for the ball... my conclusion was that there probably would have been a clearer case for a penalty, so Friedel's decision seemed the more prudent option. But what I know, no amount ah Playstation training could develop my Jedi powers like yours, so I sure I wrong.
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Wolfman... I think there's a strong measure of truth to what you say about him being applauded as a Liverpool alumn, but I also agree with Observer's (and the commentary team's) view that some of the support stemmed from the fans' realization that he was hard done by.
Post by: Mango Chow! on March 23, 2009, 05:57:40 AM
Well, I won't keep going back and forth on the issue...
I know you can't help yourself, though....
That ball was not as always Torres' ball to be won as you make it out to be. As instantaneous as that play unfolded you can still see how quickly freidel moved from his starting position to where he ended up with three quick steps and a motion to change his posture into an awkward position, waiting to receive the ball. All while Torres is continuing one motion: running after the ball and even accelerating after his first touch. Had that been a defender running toward the ball from Freidel's position, with his mindset and approach to playing the ball with his feet the same as Torres, the defender was getting to that ball before Torres. If Freidel had decided to dive at Torres' feet to win that ball rather than maintain a quasi-upright position, he would have had an even better chance at winning the ball cleanly and would have been less likely to have to worry about "bracing for impact." But he made his decision and in an instant and didn't have the luxury of changing his mind, his posture or his rate of acceleration. You can only see it your way because you can only see things from a "feet-only" player's perspective. So be it. I still contend that the referee saw Freidel's "brace for impact" as the foul and not simply that it was his posture and/or position that was. And....whatever your measure of authority is in the liverpool dressing room, there's no way they would not have appealed for a penalty on that play. Even as the play unfolded and Torres was finishing his tumble the ground, you could see gerrard gesturing from damned near 40 yards away but the whistle was just as instantaneous.
Wow... not only can you read Brad Freidel's mind to say what he was thinking and what he could have done, but you can also read my mind through my computer to tell me how I think. It never ceases to amaze me the amount of talent we have on this forum.
Truth is I did contemplate what the outcome might have been had Freidel dove or slide in feet first for the ball... my conclusion was that there probably would have been a clearer case for a penalty, so Friedel's decision seemed the more prudent option. But what I know, no amount ah Playstation training could develop my Jedi powers like yours, so I sure I wrong.
But since I am the one thinking for Brad Freidel, the referee, liverpool, and the fans (and not you)
please enlighten me on how you come to the conclusion (with any measure of your authority, of course) that any other approach...or, you know what? Just using the two other approaches YOU asserted.....please...explain to me how you calculated the formula that:
".....had Freidel dove or slide in feet first for the ball... my conclusion was that there probably would have been a clearer case for a penalty...."
I mean, anything I have said here is based on nothing more than training, coaching and experience, whether you approve of it or not. But since you seem to know so much about everything and so much more than everybody else, I wanna be the first in line with arms extended to receive this manna from the sky that you bother to begrudge us. Lemme see how fast yuh could research.
Post by: boss on March 23, 2009, 07:01:37 AM
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to what you say about him being applauded as a Liverpool alum,
and 25%:
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Observer's (and the commentary team's) view that some of the support stemmed from the fans' realization that he was hard done by.
Both Heskey and Freidel got really good receptions, especially from the Kop which is the norm for most ex-players (Michael Owen seems to have divided opinion, McManaman left on a Bosman which didn't go down well are the notable exceptions). Freidel left because he was a firm second to Sander Westerveld, which is mildly ironic because Westerveld's form would later go downhill. :beermug:
Post by: kaliman2006 on March 23, 2009, 10:12:32 AM
All in all a terrible call.
Post by: Feliziano on March 23, 2009, 08:53:45 PM
Rafael Benitez says Liverpool's players have the belief they can win the Premier League title - and he reckons the rest of the country know it.
Benitez has seen Liverpool produce three sensational victories in 12 days, scoring four each against Real Madrid and Manchester United plus five on Sunday against Aston Villa.
It puts Liverpool one point behind United at the top - although the champions still have a game in hand.
But a goal difference margin of 11 a few weeks ago, considered then to be worth another point, has been wiped out and over-taken by Liverpool's goal blitz.
And the Reds could be top before United play their next game if they win at Fulham on April 4, 24 hours before the Red Devils face Villa at Old Trafford in their next match.
Benitez said: "There is a sense of real belief now. When you are playing well and scoring a lot of goals against top sides you will have the belief that you can beat anyone.
"But we must be calm, win the next game, get the points and keep going until the end. Otherwise everything will be wasted.
"Clearly we have confidence and the team is playing well. But we must just wait to see what happens next to United, while we must keep going and keep the team playing at this level."
Skipper Steven Gerrard struck a set-piece hat-trick against Villa - taking his season total to 21 in 38 games - and he said: "We were always conscious of the goal difference and wiping out Manchester United's lead.
"Now we must keep winning, keep on their shoulder and keep piling on the pressure. We must show we are ready to pounce on any mistakes they make."
Full-back Alvaro Arbeloa believes that Liverpool's blistering start to matches is now becoming decisive.
He said: "We had a really good start to the Villa game, and that kind of first-half display is the key to improving our home form.
"If we can start really well at Anfield it can be important because an early goal can open up a tight match. You saw what it was like against Real Madrid in the Champions League and they could not cope with us, so I think we have to do the same in all of our home matches."
He added: "We are closer to the top but it is best to just focus on how well we are playing. We have a lot of confidence now and I think we are performing at our best level.
"We have to keep going, build on the momentum of the past week or so and make sure we fight right up until the end of the season."
And the Spain international was quick to praise Gerrard's contribution, saying: "He was excellent and he deserves all the credit he gets because he is a key player for us and performs like a true captain.
"He is having an amazing season, and he deserves to be considered the best there is."
Liverpool must now wait for a fortnight to continue their pursuit of United, with an international break to be negotiated first.
Benitez said: "We need to wait now for United to make mistakes. We are closer but they are in a very good position. We must keep going and keep pushing them.
"They will see we are working hard for every game, so my message is to keep doing our job.
"When you are playing well, the players have more confidence. Sometimes you do not need to change things, we have more or less the same players and system.
"But it is now one game a week. Torres is fit, Gerrard is fit, Aurelio is fit so it is easier to keep the same players on the pitch.
"We may have (injury) problems caused by the international break, but we have Agger back from injury and Yossi Benayoun almost fit. That gives us more choice but we will need all of our players now.
"You cannot keep thinking if United will make two or three mistakes, you just have to keep winning and see what happens because you cannot have any influence on their results."
He added: "Manchester United's next game is at home to Aston Villa, and Villa have won ten away games in the league this season. Maybe they will make things difficult for United.
"Maybe people will now think (after we won there) that they can now do well at United. But more importantly, everyone knows now that we can beat anyone, so we must keep playing with this level of confidence.
"Me cracking up? All I can say is that I was calm before and I am still calm now."
YES WE CAN!!!!....That's a Fact!!!!
Post by: darrel3000 on March 24, 2009, 09:59:35 AM
We must win the next seven league games to give ourselves some breathing room and I believe that we will (knock on wood). Not only is the team fireing on all cylinders right now but they absolutely believe in themselves, top to bottom. Certianly Arsenal is the best opposition on paper, but considering how we have fared against the 'big' clubs this season, I have no reason to think we wouldn't win this matchup too, the boys relish this kind of encounter.
Our demolition of Man ure and their subsequent meltdown has also shown the rest of the league the methodology to take them apart and that augers well for Liverpool. I'll admit that not all teams-in the remaining fixtures-can accomplish this but those with the capability now have a better formula which means that Man U will lose at least one and draw a couple more (keeping my fingers crossed).
So I hope we will have the league wrapped up by May 16...
Post by: boss on March 24, 2009, 10:54:40 AM
Press Association
2 hours ago
Aston Villa goalkeeper Brad Friedel has had the red card he received in Sunday's defeat at Liverpool rescinded by the Football Association.
The American was sent off after 63 minutes of the 5-0 drubbing at Anfield after he was adjudged have brought down Fernando Torres after the striker burst through on goal.
Villa's appeal was upheld on Tuesday, meaning Friedel will be available for their next Barclays Premier League game at Manchester United on April 5.
The news is a boost for Martin O'Neill's men, whose bid to finish in a Champions League place has faltered in recent weeks.
They are currently fifth, three points behind fourth-placed Arsenal.
Copyright © 2009 The Press Association. All rights reserved.
Post by: Bakes on March 24, 2009, 01:51:28 PM
Friedel red card overturned
Press Association
2 hours ago
Aston Villa goalkeeper Brad Friedel has had the red card he received in Sunday's defeat at Liverpool rescinded by the Football Association.
The American was sent off after 63 minutes of the 5-0 drubbing at Anfield after he was adjudged have brought down Fernando Torres after the striker burst through on goal.
Villa's appeal was upheld on Tuesday, meaning Friedel will be available for their next Barclays Premier League game at Manchester United on April 5.
The news is a boost for Martin O'Neill's men, whose bid to finish in a Champions League place has faltered in recent weeks.
They are currently fifth, three points behind fourth-placed Arsenal.
Copyright © 2009 The Press Association. All rights reserved.
Happy to see that good sense prevailed in this instance^^^^
Post by: darrel3000 on March 26, 2009, 06:10:09 PM
Listen to the video for free here http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N163752090326-0810.htm (http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N163752090326-0810.htm)
The Fields of Anfield Road (Hillsborough version‘09)
Outside the Shankly Gates
I heard a Kopite calling :
Shankly they have taken you away
But you left a great eleven
Before you went to heaven
Now it's glory round the Fields of Anfield Road.
All round the Fields of Anfield Road
Where once we watched the King Kenny play (and he could play)
Stevie Heighway on the wing
We had dreams and songs to sing
Of the glory round the Fields of Anfield Road
Outside the Paisley Gates
I heard a Kopite calling
Paisley they have taken you away..
But You led the great eleven
Back in Rome in seventy seven
And the redmen they are still playing the same way
All round the Fields of Anfield Road
Where once we watched the King Kenny play (and he could play)
Stevie Heighway on the wing
We had dreams and songs to sing
Of the glory round the Fields of Anfield Road
NEW:
Beside the Hillsborough flame
I heard a Kopite mourning
Why so many taken on that day
Justice has never been done
But their memory will carry on
There’ll be glory round the fields of Anfield road
All round the Fields of Anfield Road
Where once we watched the King Kenny play (and he could play)
Stevie Heighway on the wing
We had dreams and songs to sing
About the glory round the Fields of Anfield Road
All round the Fields of Anfield Road
Where once we watched the King Kenny play (and he could play)
Stevie Heighway on the wing
We had dreams and songs to sing
About the glory round the Fields of Anfield Road
The glory round the fields of Anfield road…
Post by: darrel3000 on April 04, 2009, 09:40:02 AM
Post by: Feliziano on April 04, 2009, 11:32:10 AM
doh get frustrated with Schwarzer and then hitting the woodwork 4 times
maybe we could sub Lucas, bring on Riera and send Kuyt up front with Torres
btw what ah tell allyuh de other day..Dossena go make ah good left winger/forward ;)
Post by: Bakes on April 04, 2009, 11:35:38 AM
come on fellas be patient..allyuh knocking good
doh get frustrated with Schwarzer and then hitting the woodwork 4 times
maybe we could sub Lucas, bring on Riera and send Kuyt up front with Torres
btw what ah tell allyuh de other day..Dossena go make ah good left winger/forward ;)
Hit every part ah de goal but de back ah de blasted net.
Post by: boss on April 04, 2009, 12:24:24 PM
Phew!
Post by: Tenorsaw on April 04, 2009, 12:25:00 PM
Post by: Bakes on April 04, 2009, 12:27:58 PM
Super sub... super strike. Kicker boy again, lol.
Post by: Tenorsaw on April 04, 2009, 12:28:05 PM
Post by: Feliziano on April 04, 2009, 12:29:35 PM
Thank you
btw Rafa what de ass yuh bring Babel on for?..steups
Post by: LondonTrini LFC on April 04, 2009, 12:30:54 PM
Benayoun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! classic strike... LFC 1 Fulham 0
Post by: Tenorsaw on April 04, 2009, 12:31:45 PM
Benayoun..meh favorite Jew :wavetowel:
Thank you
btw Rafa what de ass yuh bring Babel on for?..steups
Same thing I asking..He need to go at the end of the season. Touch not getting better..
Post by: Feliziano on April 04, 2009, 12:33:38 PM
yuh ent see that blasted chance he had inside the box and decide to try and dribble when he coulda pelt he right foot at it one time?..steupsBenayoun..meh favorite Jew :wavetowel:
Thank you
btw Rafa what de ass yuh bring Babel on for?..steups
Same thing I asking..He need to go at the end of the season. Touch not getting better..
Post by: kaliman2006 on April 04, 2009, 12:46:36 PM
Benayoun..meh favorite Jew :wavetowel:
Thank you
btw Rafa what de ass yuh bring Babel on for?..steups
Good ting he eh take he religion too seriously or he would have requested to sit out today.
Post by: Bakes on April 04, 2009, 01:29:13 PM
Benayoun..meh favorite Jew :wavetowel:
Thank you
btw Rafa what de ass yuh bring Babel on for?..steups
Kuyt had international duty on Wednesday... scored a brace too.
Post by: kicker on April 04, 2009, 01:35:47 PM
Snatching victory from the jaws of... uhm... futility, lol
Super sub... super strike. Kicker boy again, lol.
hoss tell meh de man convince yuh by now that he's quality nuh..... Is how many times this season de man shows he has a penchant for clutch performances.....gimme dat satisfaction nuh...lol
Post by: freakazoid on April 04, 2009, 01:42:25 PM
Post by: Bakes on April 04, 2009, 02:14:04 PM
hoss tell meh de man convince yuh by now that he's quality nuh..... Is how many times this season de man shows he has a penchant for clutch performances.....gimme dat satisfaction nuh...lol
Everytime he play he making some kinda note... and have mih searching mih cupboard fuh new seasoning fuh crow, lol.
It go take more dan one productive season tuh 'convince' mih... but at least ah confident enough that whenever he come on something positive will happen :beermug:
Post by: boss on April 05, 2009, 11:00:59 AM
On to Chelsea :beermug:
Post by: kaliman2006 on April 05, 2009, 11:03:19 AM
Aston Villa was feisty, but did not have the quality to hold off a relentless and desperate Man U side.
Oh well, as they say, the season ends in May.
Post by: freakazoid on April 05, 2009, 11:04:37 AM
Post by: darrel3000 on April 05, 2009, 01:19:37 PM
Many believe that Man U will repeat as both League champions and lift the UEFA Champions League cup, making them the favourites in both competitions. They face a resurgent Porto who top the Portugese league and are aiming to repeat their 2003/2004 win at Old Trafford that led to a Uefa Champions league victory that season. Porto expects to win and wanted to face Man U in the quarters. They got their wish, now they just have to deliver on that promise.
read all here http://darrel3000.wordpress.com/ (http://darrel3000.wordpress.com/)
Post by: Feliziano on April 08, 2009, 05:08:52 AM
Rafael Benitez has accused Sir Alex Ferguson of being scared of his Liverpool side and talking "too much" about other teams.
The Anfield chief, despite having the Champions League showdown with Chelsea on Wednesday as his immediate objective, could not resist another swipe at the Manchester United chief as the Premier League race reaches boiling point.
Benitez was responding to claims from Ferguson that the loser of the Liverpool-Chelsea quarter-final will then be United's biggest challenger for the title because they will only have one competition to contend with.
Benitez will have skipper Steven Gerrard fit following a minor groin problem and Sami Hyypia (knee) and Yossi Benayoun (hamstring) available for the first leg with Chelsea.
But the fierce battle with United for the domestic title is clearly Benitez's driving inspiration.
He said of Ferguson's claims: "It is not mind games, I think it maybe is that he is a little bit scared (of us)."
Liverpool took over at the top of the table on Saturday evening with a late winner by Benayoun at Fulham.
But less than 24 hours later, United produced a stunning comeback victory over Aston Villa with the decisive goal coming in the fourth minute of injury-time from 17-year-old Federico Macheda.
That grabbed the initiative back for the Old Trafford club, but Benitez has come out fighting.
He said: "I do not have a problem with United. Clearly one of us, either Chelsea or us, will end up focusing just on the Premier League after this.
"I think Sir Alex will be supporting Liverpool in this tie because he knows we are the bigger threat now.
"If we continue in the Champions League maybe he will think we are tired. If we are not in this competition then he knows that we will be a (bigger) threat in the Premier League.
"If Chelsea are not in the competition, then he knows they will then be a threat also in the league. But he will lose anyway, whoever goes out, because they will still be a big threat to United.
"You have to prepare well for every single Premier League game, it is tough (to be in the Champions League as well). So he will clearly be supporting us tomorrow and next week.
"I would like to be worried about both competitions, it means we will continue to be successful.
"We just concentrate on our team, while he likes to talk too much about other teams."
Benitez claims he was unmoved by United's late heroics against Villa, saying: "We knew there would be situations like this, with us one point ahead, or one point behind. And everyone knows five minutes (of injury time) at Old Trafford is a very long time.
"I watched the game, but once United scored their second you felt they would win the game.
"He (Ferguson) is in the driving seat now and in a better position, but there is still a long way to go and we have confidence. We are pushing them and we will push them until the end."
But before Liverpool can lock horns again with United, they must face a Chelsea side who knocked them out of this competition in the semi-finals last season.
A John Arne Riise own goal in the first-leg at Anfield ultimately put Liverpool out, Chelsea winning 4-3 on aggregate after the Stamford Bridge second game.
Benitez said: "It is not a good time for either of us to be playing the other. It is a big challenge for both teams. They have a good team with experience and a manager with experience. This game is 50-50.
"I have great respect for a massive club and a very good team. We are both playing in big competitions. We are both big teams.
"We have beaten them twice this season in the league, it will give us confidence, but this is a different competition and it will be down to just one or two mistakes.
"Keeping a clean sheet is important in the first game for both teams, I would prefer to play at Anfield second, but that is not the case so we must get on with it."
Rafa shut the f**k up..geez!!!
Post by: Bakes on April 08, 2009, 12:52:19 PM
1-0 Liverpool over Chelsea...
Torres with the finish in the 7'
Post by: dwolfman on April 08, 2009, 12:53:22 PM
Post by: WestCoast on April 08, 2009, 12:57:01 PM
We doh even need another separate thread...:rotfl:
Chelsea is shit:rotfl: :rotfl:
allya ent easy
ya go make dem fellas "Blue" :devil:
Post by: D.H.W on April 08, 2009, 12:58:52 PM
Post by: Bakes on April 08, 2009, 01:25:17 PM
Post by: WestCoast on April 08, 2009, 01:36:44 PM
shouldnt that be a RED for Terry...he tackle that keeper like is US football
Post by: giggsy11 on April 08, 2009, 02:09:09 PM
Post by: The_Ice on April 08, 2009, 02:11:19 PM
Post by: Mango Chow! on April 08, 2009, 02:11:37 PM
We doh even need another separate thread...
1-0 Liverpool over Chelsea...
Torres with the finish in the 7'
Yuh damned right....WALK, bitches, WALK to fack alone!!
3-1 Chelsea over liverpool
Drogba with the finish in the SIXTY-7'
Post by: giggsy11 on April 08, 2009, 02:11:46 PM
Post by: WestCoast on April 08, 2009, 02:28:50 PM
just now it was 1-0 :devil:
Post by: LondonTrini LFC on April 08, 2009, 02:34:04 PM
Post by: giggsy11 on April 08, 2009, 02:35:09 PM
Post by: Babalawo on April 08, 2009, 02:37:00 PM
Post by: samo on April 08, 2009, 02:37:48 PM
Post by: elan on April 08, 2009, 02:40:31 PM
Post by: Bakes on April 08, 2009, 02:44:04 PM
Post by: kaliman2006 on April 08, 2009, 02:48:20 PM
Fergie's scared of us, roars Rafa
Rafael Benitez has accused Sir Alex Ferguson of being scared of his Liverpool side and talking "too much" about other teams.
The Anfield chief, despite having the Champions League showdown with Chelsea on Wednesday as his immediate objective, could not resist another swipe at the Manchester United chief as the Premier League race reaches boiling point.
Benitez was responding to claims from Ferguson that the loser of the Liverpool-Chelsea quarter-final will then be United's biggest challenger for the title because they will only have one competition to contend with.
Benitez will have skipper Steven Gerrard fit following a minor groin problem and Sami Hyypia (knee) and Yossi Benayoun (hamstring) available for the first leg with Chelsea.
But the fierce battle with United for the domestic title is clearly Benitez's driving inspiration.
He said of Ferguson's claims: "It is not mind games, I think it maybe is that he is a little bit scared (of us)."
Liverpool took over at the top of the table on Saturday evening with a late winner by Benayoun at Fulham.
But less than 24 hours later, United produced a stunning comeback victory over Aston Villa with the decisive goal coming in the fourth minute of injury-time from 17-year-old Federico Macheda.
That grabbed the initiative back for the Old Trafford club, but Benitez has come out fighting.
He said: "I do not have a problem with United. Clearly one of us, either Chelsea or us, will end up focusing just on the Premier League after this.
"I think Sir Alex will be supporting Liverpool in this tie because he knows we are the bigger threat now.
"If we continue in the Champions League maybe he will think we are tired. If we are not in this competition then he knows that we will be a (bigger) threat in the Premier League.
"If Chelsea are not in the competition, then he knows they will then be a threat also in the league. But he will lose anyway, whoever goes out, because they will still be a big threat to United.
"You have to prepare well for every single Premier League game, it is tough (to be in the Champions League as well). So he will clearly be supporting us tomorrow and next week.
"I would like to be worried about both competitions, it means we will continue to be successful.
"We just concentrate on our team, while he likes to talk too much about other teams."
Benitez claims he was unmoved by United's late heroics against Villa, saying: "We knew there would be situations like this, with us one point ahead, or one point behind. And everyone knows five minutes (of injury time) at Old Trafford is a very long time.
"I watched the game, but once United scored their second you felt they would win the game.
"He (Ferguson) is in the driving seat now and in a better position, but there is still a long way to go and we have confidence. We are pushing them and we will push them until the end."
But before Liverpool can lock horns again with United, they must face a Chelsea side who knocked them out of this competition in the semi-finals last season.
A John Arne Riise own goal in the first-leg at Anfield ultimately put Liverpool out, Chelsea winning 4-3 on aggregate after the Stamford Bridge second game.
Benitez said: "It is not a good time for either of us to be playing the other. It is a big challenge for both teams. They have a good team with experience and a manager with experience. This game is 50-50.
"I have great respect for a massive club and a very good team. We are both playing in big competitions. We are both big teams.
"We have beaten them twice this season in the league, it will give us confidence, but this is a different competition and it will be down to just one or two mistakes.
"Keeping a clean sheet is important in the first game for both teams, I would prefer to play at Anfield second, but that is not the case so we must get on with it."
Rafa shut the f**k up..geez!!!
And as soon as Rafa open he yap, look what happen.
¡Rafa! ¡Cerre tu boca!
Post by: Feliziano on April 08, 2009, 08:07:15 PM
boy ah get up and that was the first thing ah read..ah just let out ah big steups cause ah know we just get blightFergie's scared of us, roars Rafa
Rafael Benitez has accused Sir Alex Ferguson of being scared of his Liverpool side and talking "too much" about other teams.
The Anfield chief, despite having the Champions League showdown with Chelsea on Wednesday as his immediate objective, could not resist another swipe at the Manchester United chief as the Premier League race reaches boiling point.
Benitez was responding to claims from Ferguson that the loser of the Liverpool-Chelsea quarter-final will then be United's biggest challenger for the title because they will only have one competition to contend with.
Benitez will have skipper Steven Gerrard fit following a minor groin problem and Sami Hyypia (knee) and Yossi Benayoun (hamstring) available for the first leg with Chelsea.
But the fierce battle with United for the domestic title is clearly Benitez's driving inspiration.
He said of Ferguson's claims: "It is not mind games, I think it maybe is that he is a little bit scared (of us)."
Liverpool took over at the top of the table on Saturday evening with a late winner by Benayoun at Fulham.
But less than 24 hours later, United produced a stunning comeback victory over Aston Villa with the decisive goal coming in the fourth minute of injury-time from 17-year-old Federico Macheda.
That grabbed the initiative back for the Old Trafford club, but Benitez has come out fighting.
He said: "I do not have a problem with United. Clearly one of us, either Chelsea or us, will end up focusing just on the Premier League after this.
"I think Sir Alex will be supporting Liverpool in this tie because he knows we are the bigger threat now.
"If we continue in the Champions League maybe he will think we are tired. If we are not in this competition then he knows that we will be a (bigger) threat in the Premier League.
"If Chelsea are not in the competition, then he knows they will then be a threat also in the league. But he will lose anyway, whoever goes out, because they will still be a big threat to United.
"You have to prepare well for every single Premier League game, it is tough (to be in the Champions League as well). So he will clearly be supporting us tomorrow and next week.
"I would like to be worried about both competitions, it means we will continue to be successful.
"We just concentrate on our team, while he likes to talk too much about other teams."
Benitez claims he was unmoved by United's late heroics against Villa, saying: "We knew there would be situations like this, with us one point ahead, or one point behind. And everyone knows five minutes (of injury time) at Old Trafford is a very long time.
"I watched the game, but once United scored their second you felt they would win the game.
"He (Ferguson) is in the driving seat now and in a better position, but there is still a long way to go and we have confidence. We are pushing them and we will push them until the end."
But before Liverpool can lock horns again with United, they must face a Chelsea side who knocked them out of this competition in the semi-finals last season.
A John Arne Riise own goal in the first-leg at Anfield ultimately put Liverpool out, Chelsea winning 4-3 on aggregate after the Stamford Bridge second game.
Benitez said: "It is not a good time for either of us to be playing the other. It is a big challenge for both teams. They have a good team with experience and a manager with experience. This game is 50-50.
"I have great respect for a massive club and a very good team. We are both playing in big competitions. We are both big teams.
"We have beaten them twice this season in the league, it will give us confidence, but this is a different competition and it will be down to just one or two mistakes.
"Keeping a clean sheet is important in the first game for both teams, I would prefer to play at Anfield second, but that is not the case so we must get on with it."
Rafa shut the f**k up..geez!!!
And as soon as Rafa open he yap, look what happen.
¡Rafa! ¡Cerre tu boca!
work went like shit today, got home bout 7
wife say meh son say some ABC's by heself all of a sudden at daycare..so ah say best news ah hear whole day, hopefully Liverpool win...get bitched at for fixing dinner then marching downstairs straight in front the pc to watch the recorded game
we were good for the first half of de 1st half, Chelsea started to get chances, i ent know if we decided to sit back a little or what
we defence just looked off color real bad today
we really miss Boswinga too
Gerrard didn't make a note either, i ent think Essien had much to do with it though, more had to do with Xabi having all de ball possesion
maybe we shoulda sub Lucas earlier, bring on Benayoun, stick Kuyt up front and play Gerrard deeper..all in hindsight now though
I was hoping we coulda bring it down to 3-2 but to score 3 at Stamford ent improbable but it will be tough
Post by: acb on April 08, 2009, 08:31:27 PM
allyuh see what Desmond (Presentation College alumni) do to Ben on LOST?
That is the kind of beatdown that Presmen does put on Napsmen.
oh wait, Feliziano, ent you is ah ...... hahahahaha :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Post by: boss on April 09, 2009, 04:04:21 AM
Chelsea supporters deserve to gloat... nothing really to say after a performance like that.
Agreed :beermug:
Stranger things have happened however:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2004/apr/08/match.championsleague1
Onwards and upwards :beermug:
Post by: Mango Chow! on April 09, 2009, 09:08:32 AM
well at least Liverpool didn't get the worst beatdown of the day.
allyuh see what Desmond (Presentation College alumni) do to Ben on LOST?
That is the kind of beatdown that Presmen does put on Napsmen.
oh wait, Feliziano, ent you is ah ...... hahahahaha :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Well I guess that since he IS a Pres' man, it's only fitting that he would end up on any show titled "LOST," eh? :devil:
Post by: acb on April 09, 2009, 10:23:02 AM
Well I guess that since he IS a Pres' man, it's only fitting that he would end up on any show titled "LOST," eh? :devil:
It have a saying, "When yuh see a Presman walking, is cause we done run tings"
Post by: D.H.W on April 09, 2009, 10:33:02 AM
Post by: Brownsugar on April 09, 2009, 05:07:57 PM
Liverpool does always play so or dey was just having one ah those days??.... ???
p.s. if ah did follow club football religiously Chelsea would be mih team.....so I was quite happy with that result. Also, unless Chelsea freeze up at home in the return leg, Liverpool men should just say goodbye to the tournament for this year....I'm sure it was fun while it lasted.... :devil: ;D
Post by: capodetutticapi on April 09, 2009, 05:12:48 PM
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Gerrard had the scan on his troublesome groin problem on Thursday afternoon, and the club may not have the results until Friday morning.
The 29-year-old arrived at the club's Melwood training complex on Thursday for fitness tests which were reviewed by Liverpool's medical team before it was decided he needed a scan.
The England midfielder struggled with the injury during Wednesday's 3-1 first-leg defeat by Chelsea, when he was man-marked by Michael Essien.
Gerrard was sidelined in February with a hamstring injury sustained in the FA Cup trilogy with Everton, and he has also suffered previous groin problems this term.
Before the Chelsea defeat there had been fears Gerrard was still struggling from the ankle injury that forced his precautionary exit from Saturday's win at Fulham.
But Gerrard trained with the squad on Monday and Tuesday, and was passed fit to play.
But now Liverpool are bracing themselves for Gerrard missing Saturday's home Premier League game with Blackburn as well as the quarter-final second leg at Stamford Bridge next Tuesday.
Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez was concerned about his captain's fitness after the Blues match.
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He said after the game: "Steven was not 100%, you could see that. It was the same for Fernando Torres, you could see that they were a little tired, not as sharp as before.
"But they have been playing well and we felt it was okay to use them both in this game. We need them.
"But credit to Chelsea, they were always controlling Steven and making it difficult for him to play.
"He was not as mobile as normally, Chelsea made it very difficult for him.
"But the difference in this match was that Chelsea played really well and we didn't.
"The injury he had on Saturday was not the problem, his ankle was okay."
Post by: capodetutticapi on April 09, 2009, 05:13:43 PM
Post by: Feliziano on April 10, 2009, 07:38:12 AM
aaaarrrmmmm Liverpool men, now ah doh really follow club football religiously eh, but ah take een a replay of the game against Chelsea today and let mih arske all ya ah question....Babe that was a real bad off day
Liverpool does always play so or dey was just having one ah those days??.... ???
p.s. if ah did follow club football religiously Chelsea would be mih team.....so I was quite happy with that result. Also, unless Chelsea freeze up at home in the return leg, Liverpool men should just say goodbye to the tournament for this year....I'm sure it was fun while it lasted.... :devil: ;D
Chelsea do the same thing we do against Man U..take their chances cause of major defensive mistakes
Post by: Tenorsaw on April 11, 2009, 07:32:49 AM
Post by: WestCoast on April 11, 2009, 09:25:33 AM
Post by: Bakes on April 11, 2009, 10:28:28 AM
What a goal by Agger. Has scored those before. Great striker of the ball. Always looking to get into the attacking third and have a go. I like to see that from a center back. Does play a bit casual, and maybe that's why Rafa prefers the Carragher-Skrtel combo. Agger is a better pass than both of them, and I believe you need a combination of a good hard-nosed tackler and a creative center back in the line-up.
Carragher is the rock back there... there's no keeping him out of the line up if I have any say. You also have to give Skrtel his due... de man have ah hard-nosed quality that you absolutely need in English football.
Post by: elan on April 11, 2009, 10:35:08 AM
aaaarrrmmmm Liverpool men, now ah doh really follow club football religiously eh, but ah take een a replay of the game against Chelsea today and let mih arske all ya ah question....Babe that was a real bad off day
Liverpool does always play so or dey was just having one ah those days??.... ???
p.s. if ah did follow club football religiously Chelsea would be mih team.....so I was quite happy with that result. Also, unless Chelsea freeze up at home in the return leg, Liverpool men should just say goodbye to the tournament for this year....I'm sure it was fun while it lasted.... :devil: ;D
Chelsea do the same thing we do against Man U..take their chances cause of major defensive mistakes
No way that was a bad day. You all were flying from the start, scored in what - the 6th minute? But then Chelsea got up and kicked y'all in the mouth and changed the whole game. A bad game is when you do nothing right like score a goal early and then have many chances.
Post by: Feliziano on April 15, 2009, 07:28:34 AM
Chelsea denied Liverpool another sensational European comeback to reach the Champions League semi-finals after a 4-4 draw at Stamford Bridge.
Liverpool, trailing 3-1 from the first leg at Anfield, stunned the Blues with two first-half goals from Fabio Aurelio and Xabi Alonso, who scored a penalty.
Chelsea's defensive frailties, exposed so clinically by Bolton in the Premier League at the weekend, looked like costing them a place in the last four as Liverpool, without their talismanic midfielder Steven Gerrard, threatened to pull off another miracle.
But the Blues looked home and dry after producing a sensational comeback of their own - scoring three times in the second half to lead 6-3 on aggregate at one stage.
Yet this incredible contest took another twist when Liverpool scored twice in as many minutes through Lucas and Dirk Kuyt to leave them just one goal adrift of an incredible victory.
However, Frank Lampard's second of the night in the 89th minute secured a 4-4 draw on the night and a 7-5 Chelsea win on aggregate.
The home side had been outplayed in the opening 45 minutes and had barely threatened to get on the scoresheet despite coach Guus Hiddink's pre-match assertion that Chelsea would go for more goals.
They had to wait until six minutes after the break for the goal which eased the growing pressure on their ambitions of reaching the final in Rome.
Didier Drogba's effort was deflected into the back of the net by Liverpool goalkeeper Jose Reina, and a stunning 25-yard free-kick from Brazilian defender Alex then looked to have eased any remaining worries.
When Frank Lampard added a third in the 76th minute the tie seemed to be effectively all over, but Liverpool had other ideas.
Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez had always maintained that the first goal would be the most important but when Kuyt collected a pass from Yossi Benayoun and fired over in the 13th minute, he could have been forgiven for thinking that perhaps the task ahead was indeed far too great.
But six minutes later Liverpool were in dreamland when they punished Lampard's push on Kuyt in spectacular fashion.
With everyone expecting the free-kick from the right of goal to be pumped high into the centre of the penalty area, Aurelio stunned everyone, including the flat-footed Petr Cech, by firing his 30-yard effort straight into the bottom near corner of the net.
Referee Luis Cantalejo then rightly awarded Liverpool a penalty when Chelsea's first-leg goal hero Branislav Ivanovic clearly held back Alonso.
The Liverpool midfielder stepped up to beat Cech and suddenly the impossible seemed possible.
Chelsea had Cech to thank for keeping them on level terms on aggregate when he tipped away a header from Kuyt in the final minute of the opening half.
Hiddink's side needed a goal to take the sting out of Liverpool's motivation and it arrived somewhat fortunately in the 51st minute.
Nicolas Anelka, a 35th-minute replacement for the poor Salomon Kalou, crossed low from the right and Drogba got a touch on the ball, with Reina only able to turn it over the line.
Chelsea made it 2-2 on the night when Jamie Carragher's foul on Drogba was punished by a fierce 25-yard free-kick by Alex.
With 14 minutes remaining Liverpool's dreams looked finished when Drogba crossed for Lampard to apply the finish.
But a long-range effort from Lucas was deflected off Michael Essien and beyond Cech in the 81st minute and, somewhat astonishingly, Kuyt put Liverpool 4-3 ahead on the night with a six-yard header two minutes later.
But with Liverpool needing one more goal for a glorious victory in this emotional week on Merseyside, 20 years on from the Hillsborough disaster, Lampard ended a stunning contest with his second of the night in the last minute.
Chelsea will face Barcelona in the last four but only after Liverpool had pushed them all the way in a pulsating contest that was a marvellous showcase for English and European football.
Benitez must have wished that Gerrard had been fit enough to play as his contribution may well have been the telling one, on a night when the Reds almost managed to achieve the unthinkable.
Post by: Feliziano on April 15, 2009, 07:31:37 AM
Thousands of people are to gather on Merseyside to remember the 96 Liverpool football fans killed in the Hillsborough disaster 20 years ago.
The supporters were crushed to death on 15 April 1989 during Liverpool's FA Cup semi-final tie with Nottingham Forest at the stadium in Sheffield.
Victims' families, survivors and players past and present will gather at Anfield for a remembrance service.
During the event candles will be lit for each of the victims of the tragedy.
Kenny Dalglish, Liverpool's manager at the time, will give a reading and relatives of the victims will be given the freedom of the city by civic leaders.
A spokesman for the club said: "We rely upon the eternal flame of the Hillsborough Memorial to burn some light into the darkest night."
The build-up to this anniversary has brought back some really bad memories
The service will begin at 1445 BST and a two-minute silence will be held at 1506 BST, the exact time the game was abandoned two decades ago.
The same silent memorial will also be observed in the city centres of Liverpool, Sheffield and Nottingham.
Liverpool Football Club said it will open the lower tier of the Centenary Stand to accommodate the huge number of fans wishing to attend.
At the same event on the 10th anniversary, 10,000 fans turned out but many more are expected for Wednesday's service.
On the day of the tragedy, Liverpool supporters were in the Leppings Lane end of the ground.
Liverpool fan Trevor Hicks attended the game with this family. His two daughters Sarah and Victoria were killed in the crush.
Since their tragic deaths he has campaigned for justice and is the chairman of the Hillsborough Family Support Group.
He said: "We're sick of it, we wish it had never happened. Similarly, we're sick of all the backsliding, we're sick of all the lying and cheating, the unfulfilled promises from politicians, from organisations.
"And really we have no option but to keep on doing what we're doing, because quite frankly a lot of people don't listen to us."
Liverpool fan Damian Kavanagh managed to escape the crush in the stadium.
He said: "I started crawling over the heads of the people in front of us and as I was crawling over one man said, 'there's people dying here', but I already knew that and the policeman grabbed hold of me.
"I wriggled past and he threw me on to the shingle track around the pitch and I was out.
"It was just like a relief and you could see the sunshine again."
South Yorkshire Police, which oversaw the event, opened a large exit gate which forced too many Liverpool fans on to the terrace, leaving the fans inside trapped between people entering the ground and the metal fences at the front of the stand.
The families of the victims have kept up a campaign to have the events which led to the deaths fully investigated, despite previous inquiries.
They were supported by former striker Ian Rush, who was in the Liverpool team at Hillsborough.
He said: "I will be at Anfield to pay my respects to the 96 Liverpool fans who went to support their team and never came home, and I will also be there to show my support for the families and survivors of this terrible tragedy.
"The build-up to this anniversary has brought back some really bad memories which have made my conviction even stronger that the fight for justice must go on.
"The families deserve justice and I hope that one day they will finally get it."
Tom Williams, an auxiliary bishop of Liverpool, will be taking part in the service.
'Mile of scarves'
He recalled the evening after the tragedy happened saying: "People were trying to just come to terms with what was happening and I remember that two young children turned up, dressed in an Everton kit, and the other in a Liverpool kit.
"The mile of scarves, all the small little things people left. It was family and I think Liverpool became a bigger family that time."
Meanwhile David Moyes, the boss of city rivals Everton, said: "Hillsborough has had a great impact on me since I arrived on Merseyside as Everton manager seven years ago, as it did when it happened and I was still a player.
"For all the rivalry we have got between each other, blue and red in this city, it is only a game we play and you go to matches wearing your colours.
"I remember doing that with my dad as a young boy, a lot of parents take their children to games.
"But that time they did not come home, and that is something that should never have been allowed to happen. Let's just hope that it never does again."
Post by: boss on April 21, 2009, 03:13:14 PM
Post by: Bitter on April 21, 2009, 03:34:19 PM
It was over anyway. Like I tell allyuh already
Ferdinand + Vidic + van der Sar = Clean Sheet
And I is a scumchester hater long time.
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on April 21, 2009, 03:56:27 PM
Alright, so unless Portsmouth beat Man Utd tomorrow, is the title race over? :-\
nope... but the champagne will be put on ice if we win
Post by: elan on April 21, 2009, 04:22:02 PM
What's going on?
Post by: acb on April 21, 2009, 04:57:13 PM
Liverpuddle fans hiding or what. When Man United playing yuh does cyah find they supporter, same thing with Liverpuddle.
What's going on?
men doh post during the game, post game comments from the managers, and the replay finish on Sky.
Too much emotion and pressure to concentrate on posting.
Post by: Bakes on April 21, 2009, 08:19:46 PM
Liverpuddle fans hiding or what. When Man United playing yuh does cyah find they supporter, same thing with Liverpuddle.
What's going on?
If I didn't already know you tuh be a A-Class shit talker I might actually take offense to that. The fact that there hasn't been much chatter even after the match should tell you that most men just miss it. Besides, salvaging a tie against Arsenal is hardly anything fuh man to run and 'hide' about.
...anyways, good thing I miss dis because I mighta break something. Our defense in absolute shambles right now. That aside, I still cyah understand how Arbeloa keep making first team.
Reina need to sort heself out too... his quality has been down the last 2-3 matches.
Post by: acb on April 21, 2009, 08:53:41 PM
Reina need to sort heself out too... his quality has been down the last 2-3 matches.
touche, touche.
check Cech.
Post by: sammy on April 22, 2009, 02:48:57 PM
:devil:
Post by: Feliziano on April 23, 2009, 07:54:01 PM
Eight-goal draw little use to Reds
Four goals from Andrey Arshavin put a huge dent in Liverpool's Premier League title hopes as Arsenal drew 4-4 at Anfield on Tuesday night,
The hosts went ahead of Manchester United on goal difference having come from behind three times, starting with Arshavin's first in the 36th minute.
Fernando Torres and Yossi Benayoun scored soon after the interval but three further goals from the Russian Gunner piled the pressure back on Rafael Benitez's side and even a second from Torres and an injury-time equaliser from Benayoun were not enough to force victory.
The result hands a huge advantage to United, who have two matches in hand with the first on Wednesday at home to Portsmouth.
Liverpool were architects of their own downfall as the first three Arsenal goals came from mistakes.
It was almost a carbon copy of their Champions League exit against Chelsea a week ago when a 4-4 draw at Stamford Bridge saw them miss out on the semi-finals.
It was also not the first time Arsenal had done serious damage to a Liverpool title challenge, it being 20 years since Michael Thomas scored on this ground with the last kick of the season to deny the Reds the championship.
Torres and Albert Riera should have done better with their early efforts to test the fragile confidence of Lucasz Fabianski but both fired straight at the goalkeeper.
Javier Mascherano fired wide after 15 minutes as Arsenal were content to soak up what Liverpool had to offer and swiftly counter-attack when the chance arose.
Those occasions were few and far between and Fabianski, who had looked shaky on a couple of occasions, had to be at his best to tip over Torres' shot from the right angle of the penalty area.
Referee Howard Webb waved away Liverpool appeals in the 26th minute when Mikael Silvestre appeared to catch Dirk Kuyt on the edge of the area.
Arsenal's first chance came when they broke quickly from a Liverpool corner and Cesc Fabregas volleyed wide after Daniel Agger, making his 50th league appearance, had got in Jose Reina's way as he tried to punch clear.
A smart turn by Torres on Kolo Toure saw the Spain striker fire in a 25-yard shot which Fabianski could only parry but Silvestre cleared the danger.
Samir Nasri then had to clear off the line at the far post after Agger flicked on Xabi Alonso's right-wing corner before the Gunners hit their hosts with a sucker punch in the 36th minute.
Mascherano lost the ball on the edge of the penalty area and Fabregas exchanged passes with Nasri before crossing for Arshavin to fire home off the underside of the crossbar.
Benayoun immediately brought a diving save from Fabianski and then headed over as Liverpool piled on the pressure leading up to the interval without reward.
Liverpool realistically had 45 minutes to keep their season alive and that realisation brought the equaliser within four minutes of the restart.
Alvaro Arbeloa's cross was poorly dealt with by Bacary Sagna and Kuyt collected the ball, got to the byline and crossed for Torres to head low into the left corner of Fabianski's goal.
Seven minutes later they were ahead. Fabianski and Kieren Gibbs both messed up their clearances and Kuyt crossed to the far post where Benayoun headed in.
The goalkeeper claimed to have clawed the ball out but it was clearly over the line.
In the 65th minute Arsene Wenger brought on Theo Walcott for Denilson to try to get back in the game but it was another mistake which brought their equaliser.
Arbeloa could not control Jamie Carragher's downward defensive header and Arshavin nipped in to fire past Reina's outstretched left hand.
Incredibly for a team which had conceded just eight goals in 16 home league matches a third error handed Arsenal the lead again.
Fabio Aurelio played a left-wing cross straight to Arshavin 10 yards out and he drilled a shot under Reina for his hat-trick in the 70th minute.
Amazingly Liverpool were level again two minutes later when Torres controlled Riera's cross, turned Silvestre and fired past Fabianski.
Torres had a header cleared off the line by Gibbs from Alonso's corner with nine minutes to go and Carragher fired over from Aurelio's cross as Liverpool desperately pushed for the winner.
And that cost them as Walcott broke from a corner and played in Arshavin to score his fourth in injury time.
Benayoun bundled home an equaliser even later on but it was too late to force a victory.
What really going on with we defence?
I know we playing attacking football but I never see we misclearing and giving away soft goals so easily lately.
Pepe Reina ent even inspiring or taking up the slack if the fellas in front of him play shit.
The team showing plenty character by not giving up, all positive signs for next season.
Post by: Feliziano on May 02, 2009, 09:57:58 PM
Liverpool defender Daniel Agger has agreed a four-year extension to his current deal, which will see him remain at Anfield until at least 2014.
The 24-year old, who joined the Reds from Brondby in 2006, has played 76 times and scored six goals, including his recent long-range effort against Blackburn.
Agger joins team-mates Steven Gerrard and Dirk Kuyt in committing their long-term future to the club.
Manager Rafael Benitez told the club's website: "This is extremely good news for Liverpool moving forward and demonstrates our intention to build on the progress we have already made this season.
"Daniel is still young, but with great quality and will be a very important player for us in the years ahead.
"I'm sure there were many other clubs monitoring the situation closely, but throughout our discussions, Daniel made it clear that he wanted to stay at Liverpool and achieve success here.
"I'm delighted we've secured his future at Anfield."
Great news :)
now lets go out tomorrow and hit Newcastle bout 6 :devil:
Post by: Bakes on May 02, 2009, 10:28:25 PM
Agger signs Reds contract extension
Liverpool defender Daniel Agger has agreed a four-year extension to his current deal, which will see him remain at Anfield until at least 2014.
The 24-year old, who joined the Reds from Brondby in 2006, has played 76 times and scored six goals, including his recent long-range effort against Blackburn.
Agger joins team-mates Steven Gerrard and Dirk Kuyt in committing their long-term future to the club.
Manager Rafael Benitez told the club's website: "This is extremely good news for Liverpool moving forward and demonstrates our intention to build on the progress we have already made this season.
"Daniel is still young, but with great quality and will be a very important player for us in the years ahead.
"I'm sure there were many other clubs monitoring the situation closely, but throughout our discussions, Daniel made it clear that he wanted to stay at Liverpool and achieve success here.
"I'm delighted we've secured his future at Anfield."
Great news :)
now lets go out tomorrow and hit Newcastle bout 6 :devil:
Yeah, I liking dis move too. Now if only we could jettison some ah de Spanish cargo (and I ent talking Torres), I good.
Post by: Feliziano on May 03, 2009, 06:29:04 AM
or just Arbeloa and Riera lol
Post by: Bakes on May 03, 2009, 07:06:42 AM
Bakes yuh talking bout Rafa or what? :devil:
or just Arbeloa and Riera lol
Why it have tuh be either or... yuh know I 'ambidexterous' like dat, lol
Post by: giggsy11 on May 17, 2009, 08:00:16 AM
Post by: giggsy11 on May 17, 2009, 08:18:32 AM
Post by: Bourbon on May 18, 2009, 08:33:52 AM
Hmm....fustrating seasons tend to do that to you.
Post by: WestCoast on May 18, 2009, 08:41:13 AM
Post by: Daft Trini on May 18, 2009, 08:54:51 AM
(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/4479/carraarbeloa.gif):rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Fackt
Hmm....fustrating seasons tend to do that to you.
Meh money on Jamie.... FACKT... :devil:
Post by: sammy on May 18, 2009, 11:32:02 AM
(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/4479/carraarbeloa.gif):rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Fackt
Hmm....fustrating seasons tend to do that to you.
Meh money on Jamie.... FACKT... :devil:
Jamie real dread...no nonsense type of player.......England lose out when he retire due to all the salts he was getting
Post by: Daft Trini on May 18, 2009, 01:00:17 PM
(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/4479/carraarbeloa.gif):rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Fackt
Hmm....fustrating seasons tend to do that to you.
Meh money on Jamie.... FACKT... :devil:
Jamie real dread...no nonsense type of player.......England lose out when he retire due to all the salts he was getting
J.C. was one of meh fave England players, England in a mess.... Carrick have as much titles as Lampard and a CL medal like Gerrard, plays for the top team in England, Europe and the World.... but they mid are built around Stevie G and Lamps... is like TnT football... I stop trying to figure it out!
Post by: Tenorsaw on May 18, 2009, 03:16:56 PM
(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/4479/carraarbeloa.gif):rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Fackt
Hmm....fustrating seasons tend to do that to you.
Meh money on Jamie.... FACKT... :devil:
Jamie real dread...no nonsense type of player.......England lose out when he retire due to all the salts he was getting
J.C. was one of meh fave England players, England in a mess.... Carrick have as much titles as Lampard and a CL medal like Gerrard, plays for the top team in England, Europe and the World.... but they mid are built around Stevie G and Lamps... is like TnT football... I stop trying to figure it out!
So you really feel Carrick should run England's midfield? Not as long as Gerrard and Lamps on the field. He is doing well at the moment, but he is behind two world class midfielders in Gerrard and Lamps.
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on May 18, 2009, 05:29:30 PM
:devil: :rotfl:
Post by: Feliziano on May 19, 2009, 09:50:46 PM
Xabi did a good job coming between the 2 teamates, which brings to mind the lack of reaction from Gerrard when Mascherano imploded against Man U last year
Post by: Feliziano on August 03, 2009, 02:30:59 PM
By Stephen Fottrell
Ireland has already hosted one of the unlikeliest pre-season pairings of the summer - Shamrock Rovers and Real Madrid - but that match-up is about to be surpassed in the David versus Goliath stakes.
Tiny Dunmanway Town from the southern Irish county of Cork are preparing to host the might of Liverpool - or at least a Liverpool XI, which they are assured will feature some of the club's big-name stars.
The amateur side, who play in the West Cork Soccer League, landed one of the coups of the summer when they optimistically invited last season's English Premier League runners-up to visit, only for the Reds to accept their offer.
They have since spent the summer readying the town, which has a population of around 2,500, for the arrival of one of the world's most famous club sides on Thursday.
The team has borrowed a local school's Gaelic Games pitch for the day and has drafted in just over 7,000 seats - from the same temporary stands used in Shamrock Rovers' narrow 1-0 defeat by Real Madrid in July.
Our capacity will go from one to 7,000 for this game
Dunmanway Town manager John Buckley
"We normally play in a farmer's field in front of around 20 people," manager John Buckley told BBC Sport.
"Someone might normally bring a deckchair or something to sit on, so our capacity will go from one to 7,000 for this game."
Buckley is a lifelong Liverpool fan himself and says the one-off game has created massive excitement in the area and nationally.
"The town has been painted red to welcome Liverpool and it's just given a huge boost to the area," he said.
"There will be fans coming from all over Ireland, as well as from England and beyond."
Club treasurer Andrew Healy says the local anticipation is akin to Nick Hornby's book Fever Pitch.
The team have recent signing David Hall, a local doctor, to thank for Liverpool's visit as he used a number of football contacts and perseverance to persuade the Reds to take them up on their offer.
Hall has been made captain for the day for his efforts, but it is not the only highlight of his week as his wife is also due to give birth to their first baby on the day of the match.
"I don't think there's any chance of me missing this match," he said.
"But don't be surprised if you see me bolting from the pitch mid-way through."
The hosts have also been given permission by the Football Association of Ireland to draft in five players from teams in the League of Ireland - the country's professional and semi-professional divisions.
As for the team they will face, Liverpool say that it is likely to be made up mainly of reserves, but that there should be some big names travelling.
The Dunmanway manager, unsurprisingly, is hoping to see one name in particular on the opposing team-sheet.
"We're hoping that because Steven Gerrard didn't make the pre-season trip to Asia that he'll need the match practice," Buckley said.
"To see him here would be a dream come true.
"But I'm not bothered - even to be playing the reserves is a massive deal for us."
The tie was briefly threatened by an invasion of local rabbits, who dug holes in the pitch but have since been scared away by the construction of the temporary stands.
Hall - a Manchester United fan - is hoping his own charges will not display any "rabbit in headlights" symptoms and is confident of keeping the scores down for at least the first half.
"I'm a bit worried for my players to be honest, but we should be all right, we'll try and hold them out until half time," he said.
Buckley, meanwhile, is expecting many in the crowd to be cheering for the visitors, but is ready to put aside his Liverpool loyalties for the day and concentrate on his own team's efforts.
"We'll give it a good go and hopefully we'll outshine Shamrock Rovers' efforts against Madrid," he said.
Post by: Feliziano on August 05, 2009, 07:54:13 PM
Xabi Alonso was presented as a Real Madrid player on Wednesday evening after signing a five-year contract at the Bernabeu.
The Basque midfielder joins Madrid from Liverpool for around £30million and was unveiled at the stadium on Wednesday evening.
The 27-year-old Spain international arrived in the capital on Wednesday after a fee was agreed between Liverpool and Real Madrid.
Alonso then underwent various tests and met his new team-mates for training earlier this afternoon.
The midfielder is Madrid's eighth summer signing, taking the Primera Division giants' spending to over £220million in just two months.
Madrid president Florentino Perez has brought in Cristiano Ronaldo, Kaka, Raul Albiol, Esteban Granero, Arbeloa, Alvaro Negredo and Karim Benzema as he attempts to build a team capable of challenging Barcelona's treble winners.
"It's a very happy day for me,'' said Alonso. "It's an important step in my career to come to a club like Real Madrid.
"I'm very happy to be part of this club and I was very excited for this day to arrive.
"It's the best opportunity for me to develop as a footballer.''
The transfer sees Alonso return to Spain after five years away from his homeland.
And, while he enjoyed his time on Merseyside, the former Real Sociedad player admitted he decided before the end of the season the time was right to move on.
"I am very grateful to Liverpool fans, they were very warm during my five years,'' he continued. "It will be really difficult to match their appreciation.
"I really enjoyed those five years.
"But a few months ago I took that decision as I thought it was the right moment to find a fresh challenge, to look for a new club.
"That's when Real Madrid came along. Luckily a deal has been done and I'm very happy.
"It is a personal challenge I felt is necessary for my football career.
"I felt it was right so I looked for a change, for a new experience, and when Madrid came in, that's when I decided to come back to Spain.''
Thanks for the 5 years Xabi; personally, I'm sad to see you go :salute:
good luck at Real Madrid :beermug:
Post by: Feliziano on August 05, 2009, 08:01:24 PM
Liverpool have confirmed that they have reached agreement with Roma to sign midfielder Alberto Aquilani for a fee believed to be £20million.
The signing comes just hours after Xabi Alonso passed his medical at Real Madrid and completed a £30million move to the Bernabeu after five years at Anfield.
It has become clear that the two deals were being negotiated in tandem. Once Liverpool had completed the Alonso transfer, and received the first cash instalment, they were been able to complete the deal for a player to replace the Spaniard in boss Rafael Benitez's squad.
Benitez told the club's website: "Alberto is a very good player and I'm delighted we've reached agreement with Roma for his transfer. He will travel to Merseyside later this week for a medical. Alberto has a winning mentality and great experience in both Serie A and the Champions League.
"He has long been recognised as a top class talent in Italy, captaining his country at both Under 19 and Under 21 levels before establishing himself in the senior national side."
Read he's injury prone, hopefully he can stand up to the rigors of the English game; but lets see if he can pass his medical first :-\
the man I would've like to get hold of woulda been Micheal Johnson from Man City
Christian Poulsen is more likelier possibility accroding to rumours
Post by: Feliziano on August 07, 2009, 07:47:31 PM
Roma midfielder Alberto Aquilani has passed a medical and agreed a five-year contract with Liverpool.
Reds boss Rafael Benitez identified Italy international Aquilani as his preferred replacement for Xabi Alonso, who joined Real Madrid for around £30million earlier this week.
Liverpool had a bid of around £20million for Aquilani accepted by Roma on Wednesday before the player headed to Merseyside for a medical and contract talks.
The now former Roma man is expected to be at Anfield on Saturday to witness his new team-mates take on Atletico Madrid in the club's final pre-season friendly before next weekend's big kick-off.
Aquilani dispelled fears over the ankle injury that needed surgery this summer and restricted his appearances for the Serie A club last season.
But he will not be fit to face Tottenham next Sunday in the Premier League season opener at White Hart Lane.
Announcing the deal on the club website, a Liverpool statement read: "Liverpool FC confirmed this evening that Alberto Aquilani has successfully completed a medical and agreed a 5-year contract with the club.
"The player will now continue his rehabilitation from an ankle operation under the guidance of Liverpool's medical team and is expected to be fully fit in approximately 4-8 weeks time."
Aquilani is believed to be earning around £80,000 a week.
we might have to endure 8 weeks of Lucas..geez
so much for a flying start to the season
boy yuh better prove we wrong yes
Post by: ZionYouth on August 07, 2009, 09:39:10 PM
Post by: Feliziano on August 14, 2009, 07:18:48 PM
Last season it was a case of the ultimate prize remaining tantalisingly close but ultimately so far away for Liverpool manager Rafa Benitez and his squad as the Premier League title once again proved out of reach.
The top flight's Big Four - Arsenal, Chelsea, Manchester United and Liverpool - are often criticised by outsiders for lacking dignity and taking winning for granted. There is undoubtedly a case for the prosecution but, as the only member of the quartet not to land a Premier League title, the latter have experienced league suffering and 2008/09 was arguably the most painful.
It has now been two decades since the trophy for England's top division was paraded at Anfield, however, for many months in the last campaign it appeared that drought was about to be hosed down. Manchester United, though, turned off the tap as Liverpool, thanks largely and notoriously to 11 draws, choked and their bitter North West rivals grabbed the silverware by four points.
The men from Merseyside had led United by 10 points last December, having played three games more, but they surrendered that advantage around the time when Benitez, who missed part of the season following operations on kidney stones, launched a much-publicised and bizarre verbal attack on Old Trafford boss Sir Alex 'the master of mind games' Ferguson, while persistent and niggling injuries to captain Steven Gerrard and star striker Fernando Torres further damaged the cause.
There was a resurgence after United were memorably dismantled 4-1 in their own backyard in March, but that necessary zip in cutting edge, especially at Anfield, and an exceptionally strong finish to the season came too late as a thrilling 4-4 draw with Arsenal proved wounding.
Despite the disappointment of missing out on the title, the start of this summer sparked, 'maybe this season is the season' whispers for Liverpool as Cristiano Ronaldo moved from United to Real Madrid in a world-record deal, while on-loan striker Carlos Tevez snubbed Ferguson to eventually join Manchester City.
Comedown
But again there has been a comedown for those in Scouse red. A disappointing pre-season has included a distracting court appearance for skipper Gerrard and that has been followed by the sales of Spain duo Alvaro Arbeloa and Xabi Alonso to the 'Galacticos' of Real.
Kop idol Alonso's £30million exit is the greatest blow to Benitez as the influential midfielder - who, despite claims to the contrary, appears to have been forced out by a breakdown in his relationship with his manager that stemmed from Liverpool's apparent willingness to sell in 2008's unsuccessful pursuit of Gareth Barry - had just produced his best season in five years since joining from Real Sociedad.
Speak to any Liverpool supporter and they will feel a little sorry for Arbeloa as his future was decided by the arrival of Glen Johnson. Barring a bust-up with team-mate Jamie Carragher at West Brom in May, the full-back had enjoyed a positive season and would probably have been prepared to extend the remaining 12 months on his contract.
Johnson, though, is a different breed. Arbeloa had his merits defensively, but England's right-back brings alternative qualities. The £18m paid to Portsmouth has been spent with a view to versatility, capturing a British player - crucial for balancing the books in the UEFA Champions League - who can also operate in midfield and has an eye for a spectacular goal. Defending was not a problem for Liverpool in 2008/09, breaking down stubborn opponents was.
An Alonso replacement has been secured in the shape of Alberto Aquilani, with a £20m fee being paid to Roma. The Italy international possesses similar, but more attacking, talents to Alonso. There will, though, be concerns that it will take the 25-year-old time to settle while he also has a reputation in his homeland for being susceptible to injury. He may not be available for up to eight weeks as he recovers from an ankle surgery. Left-back Fabio Aurelio is also out injured.
If Alonso had stayed, Liverpool would have had a settled backbone to their side, as it appears Barcelona-target Javier Mascherano is prepared to put up with reported homesickness for one more season at least. The problem for Benitez is that Aquilani may need time to adapt to the hectic conditions in England.
One to watch
Alonso struggled to acclimatise when he first arrived in 2004/05 as the Reds were wretched in a disappointing league season, with the less physical Champions League being the competition where success was gloriously achieved. Aquilani may require a similar domestic bedding-in period, which could see the opportunity to take advantage of a possible transition period for United go begging.
Elsewhere, Aaron King has been brought in from Rushden & Diamonds for a nominal amount and Chris Mavinga has arrived from Paris St Germain for an undisclosed fee as Benitez - who still has £10m burning a hole in his back pocket from the sale of Alonso, a part of which could be used on Hull City's Michael Turner - looks to the future. Astrit Ajdarevic, Paul Anderson, Godwin Antwi, Jack Hobbs, Sebastien Leto, Shane O'Connor, Jermaine Pennant and, sadly after a glittering career in England, Sami Hyypia have moved on.
An intriguing player to keep an eye on will be Andriy Voronin. The Ukraine international was a major disappointment when he first arrived and was promptly sent out on loan to Hertha Berlin to regain confidence. The 30-year-old was a revelation in Germany, scoring 11 goals, and if he can find his form in the Premier League he could provide much-needed backup to Torres. Youngsters Dani Pacheco, Krisztian Nemeth and Jay Spearing will also be ones to watch.
A bonus for Liverpool is that the fixture list has been relatively kind. A first game at Tottenham will be a challenge, but not an insurmountable one, while Aston Villa at Anfield in late August will also cause sweat before three points. But then it is only a trip to Chelsea in early October that looks testing in the opening nine games. A flying start should create confidence and a platform as Benitez's troops bid to avoid a repeat of the sticky mid-campaigns that have undermined previous efforts.
With United in transition, Chelsea starting the Carlo Ancelotti era, Arsenal in confusion and Manchester City emerging, this looks set to be one of the most intriguing and evenly contested seasons to date. Liverpool will know that the title is up for grabs and that they might not get a better chance. If they take advantage, the wait could be over.
Post by: Feliziano on August 14, 2009, 07:21:55 PM
Star Man: Steven Gerrard
Who else? The Liverpool captain is the heartbeat of the team and his attacking partnership with Fernando Torres is the best in Europe. Gerrard, though, is the influence. He affects team-mates, the opposition and fans - a force of nature.
One to Watch: Andriy Voronin
This selection is a bit of a gamble. But the Ukraine striker could prove vital if he can leave his previous struggles in the past. Voronin has attributes to be a success in the Premier League and may provide much-needed back-up to Torres.
Fantasy Football Pick: Jose Reina.
Manager: Rafa Benitez
Inspiring and confusing at the same time. The Spaniard is 100 per cent focused and possesses the stubborn nature that all great bosses require. If Benitez can learn from the mistakes of last season, this year could be the year.
INS: Alberto Aquilani (Roma), Glen Johnson (Portsmouth), Aaron King (Rushden & Diamonds), Chris Mavinga (PSG).
OUTS: Astrit Ajdarevic (Leicester), Xabi Alonso (Real Madrid) Paul Anderson (N Forest), Godwin Antwi (Released), Alvaro Arbeloa (Real Madrid), Jack Hobbs (Leicester), Sami Hyypia (Bayer Leverkusen), Sebastian Leto (Panathinaikos), Shane O'Connor (Ipswich), Jermaine Pennant (Real Zaragoza).
Best Signing: Glen Johnson
Sky Bet Odds: 7/2
Likely Top Scorer: Fernando Torres
Possible Best XI: Reina, Johnson, Carragher, Skrtel, Aurelio, Kuyt, Mascherano, Aquilani, Riera, Gerrard, Torres.
Predicted Finish: 1st
Post by: kicker on August 16, 2009, 10:04:13 AM
Post by: Peong on August 16, 2009, 10:13:00 AM
Should that have been an offside call?
I need to see another replay.
Post by: kicker on August 16, 2009, 10:24:40 AM
Anyways 1-1, and this will be the test of how resilient Spurs are...usually the bigger teams find a way to eke out a win in these kinda situations....
As I was typing this, Tottenham regains the lead lol...
Post by: Bakes on August 16, 2009, 10:24:47 AM
I think Defoe was in an offside position and he blocked Reina's view of the ball.
Should that have been an offside call?
I need to see another replay.
It would have been close if anything... but if Defoe didn't have much to do with it I'm not sure it would count as offside. I didn't really think he was a factor personally, there was so much traffic in front of Reina (who's been stellar in the pre-season and today.
Meanwhile... winning the penalty aside, just based on pre-season form I thought Glenn Johnson was going to have a great impact for us this season. Thus far he's paying dividends. Just call on the penalty against Gomez, harsh yellow though.
Now we can't get our set piece defense right... 2-1 Spurs in the 60'.
Post by: Bakes on August 16, 2009, 10:26:50 AM
Post by: kicker on August 16, 2009, 10:33:06 AM
Unbelievable that Carragher is booked for his foul on Defoe... and Corluca isn't for his more obviously cynical foul on Babel.
I was thinking the same thing...
Your boys have not found a fluid rhythm- look like they're missing Alonso in the center of the field to settle the pace of their game.
Also think they should have started Benayoun instead of Babel...Babel is a far superior athlete but Benayoun is a smarter more capable player who gets himself in more dangerous attacking positions and has a knack for making things happen...
Post by: Feliziano on August 16, 2009, 10:37:20 AM
definitely missing Xabi..nobody to conduct the game at we pace
Post by: Bakes on August 16, 2009, 10:48:13 AM
Unbelievable that Carragher is booked for his foul on Defoe... and Corluca isn't for his more obviously cynical foul on Babel.
I was thinking the same thing...
Your boys have not found a fluid rhythm- look like they're missing Alonso in the center of the field to settle the pace of their game.
Also think they should have started Benayoun instead of Babel...Babel is a far superior athlete but Benayoun is a smarter more capable player who gets himself in more dangerous attacking positions and has a knack for making things happen...
Phil Dowd is having a very sketchy game if you ask me... absolutely no consistency whatsoever to his calls... baffling. Definitely not going to blame him for the result thus far though, we sleepwalked thru the preseason and it shows. Voronin is on for Kuyt which is baffling (but what else is new for Rafa?) and he's had a great preseason, so let's see if it carries over into his first game.
Babel and Voronin showed great synchronicity this past preseason so not sure if that would prove to be a prelude of things to come.
Post by: Bakes on August 16, 2009, 10:51:06 AM
I'm done.
Unbelievable.
I'm done.
Post by: kicker on August 16, 2009, 10:51:25 AM
Post by: PantherX on August 16, 2009, 11:09:39 AM
Post by: College on August 16, 2009, 11:44:25 AM
I was shocked (and relieved) the ref didn't call it but I'm damn happy for the win....first one on opening day in a long time :D
good to get opening day gitters out de way. nice win .... go spurs
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on August 16, 2009, 12:05:50 PM
;D
Post by: Daft Trini on August 16, 2009, 12:20:58 PM
Post by: dwn on August 16, 2009, 04:33:56 PM
(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/4479/carraarbeloa.gif)
I wonder if that had anything to do with the two of them getting sold ... ;D
Post by: Feliziano on August 16, 2009, 09:00:53 PM
What I noticed today:
Torres need some competition for his starting position...if he get injured we in deeper shit too.
Babel, Lucas and Voronin needs to be sold asap if we need more transfer money.
Bring in an older Centreback who could be called up for a couple games..not Distin nor Dunne.
We shoulda got at least one of Real Madrid Dutch players in the Xabi Alonso transfer deal cause we have absolutely no creativity in the team.
Glen Johnson was a good buy.
Reina actually made some good saves for once.
Post by: boss on August 17, 2009, 03:05:09 AM
I was shocked (and relieved) the ref didn't call it but I'm damn happy for the win....first one on opening day in a long time :D
I thought Modric and Palacios (sp?) looked real good in midfield....Spurs will be dangerous this year, especially once they have a fully fit squad. Also, even though Torres didn't look match fit, Bassong managed to stay with him for most of the match.
Yes, the refereeing was inconsistent, but we deserved to lose that match yesterday.
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We shoulda got at least one of Real Madrid Dutch players in the Xabi Alonso transfer deal cause we have absolutely no creativity in the team.
That's exactly what was lacking yesterday.
Post by: Tenorsaw on August 17, 2009, 08:42:30 AM
Post by: dinho on August 17, 2009, 08:57:32 AM
It really makes no sense that they didnt invest properly to strengthen the team.. In essence they just got a better right back and a like for like replacement for Alonso thats not guaranteed to cut it.
Post by: Tenorsaw on August 17, 2009, 11:47:09 AM
This team is one or two injuries away from a disastrous season.. Gerrard and Torres.
It really makes no sense that they didnt invest properly to strengthen the team.. In essence they just got a better right back and a like for like replacement for Alonso thats not guaranteed to cut it.
Don't know bout like for like replacement for Alonso. Every analyst (as well as Rafa) has stated to the contrary: that Aquilani likes to play further up the pitch, is very comfortable behind the first striker as well, and is a bit more creative. I agree with your other points, but you are totaly off on this point.
Post by: dinho on August 17, 2009, 01:32:37 PM
This team is one or two injuries away from a disastrous season.. Gerrard and Torres.
It really makes no sense that they didnt invest properly to strengthen the team.. In essence they just got a better right back and a like for like replacement for Alonso thats not guaranteed to cut it.
Don't know bout like for like replacement for Alonso. Every analyst (as well as Rafa) has stated to the contrary: that Aquilani likes to play further up the pitch, is very comfortable behind the first striker as well, and is a bit more creative. I agree with your other points, but you are totaly off on this point.
i've seen Aquilani play, and he isn't bringing that much more than Alonso does..
And if you think he'll be playing that much further up the pitch under Rafa with Gerrard already up there then you have another thing coming.
Post by: Tenorsaw on August 19, 2009, 03:17:05 PM
Post by: PantherX on August 19, 2009, 03:42:54 PM
Post by: boss on August 19, 2009, 05:43:29 PM
(http://d.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/ng/sp/afpji/20090819/newsmlmmd.98bb226c224ca1bce8276d01b0dc1dfd.9912b.jpg)
Post by: boss on August 22, 2009, 02:15:17 PM
Post by: Trini Madness on August 24, 2009, 02:00:35 PM
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on August 24, 2009, 02:14:46 PM
(http://i32.tinypic.com/2e6biv9.gif)
now that is first touch
Post by: Babalawo on August 24, 2009, 02:33:31 PM
2-1 villa
Post by: Bakes on August 24, 2009, 02:50:23 PM
Post by: kicker on August 24, 2009, 03:03:46 PM
Post by: DeSoWa on August 24, 2009, 03:06:56 PM
Big Up!
Post by: acb on August 24, 2009, 03:35:19 PM
:rotfl:
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on August 24, 2009, 03:35:42 PM
Post by: Observer on August 24, 2009, 03:39:08 PM
Sorry Bakes, But two central midfielder neither are decent passers of the ball (they can't thread it through). Gerrard now has to come short to look for passes off of them and poor Torres is left all alone up front, without support arriving quick enough.
Post by: Bakes on August 24, 2009, 10:48:24 PM
What a cutasstrophe ;D
Sorry Bakes, But two central midfielder neither are decent passers of the ball (they can't thread it through). Gerrard now has to come short to look for passes off of them and poor Torres is left all alone up front, without support arriving quick enough.
No need to be sorry dred... it is what it is. Right now we not getting it done while other teams continue to make hay in the early season sunshine. I'm not particularly worried by the fact that we lost two games all of last season and have already equalled that in our first three games... we likely won't have to chase Man U. as doggedly and as mistake-free as we did last season.
In the meantime however, Chelsea has re-tooled under Ancellotti and there's no arguing that he has them playing with purpose again. City has been totally revamped from virtually top to bottom and Spurs are playing with renewed purpose as well... even if their house of cards will come down by year's end. Bottom line is that we need to figure out what kind of club we want to be. We need to find a settling presence in the middle to replace what we lost in Xabi.
Lucas looks lost. Against teams like the Chinese Taipei All-Stars he looks like the next coming of Careca, but when seasan start and games start counting for real his carriage magically trnsforms back into a pumpkin and is pure run-belly on de field. Was only fitting that the own-goal deflection come off him after giving away such a dotish free kick at such a vulnerable point on the field.
Glenn Johnson and Kuyt also had off days, Kuyt in particular. Aside from the collective malaise that the Dutch national team periodically displays... this is the worst game I've ever actually seen him play. Nothing he did today seemed to click... from near misses to errant, unwise passing. Very atypical of him... but not worried about him, least of all.
Post by: dinho on August 25, 2009, 07:38:55 AM
the game yesterday was weird in that its one of the few times i would say a team was unlucky to win 3-1.. the first goal was a hard luck, the second goal was another hard luck right before the half with the lil piece ah sourness with the ref (although it was the correct call).. and if you watch gerrard's foul for the penalty you will see that reo coker actually mistrap the ball, if he had collect properly then he woulda get a clean jam from gerrard.. Liverpool were on top for alot of the game.
another thing i picking up.. if you listen to the vibes going on, it seems like Rafa get a 6 for a 9.. Rumor has it that he was close to leaving the club in midweek after falling out with the board, what i feel happen is that they tell him once he sell he will get to use the money to buy.. Then when he done sell Xabi, they tell him hard luck dey breds but we need that paper.
Off the field probs is an issue with that side right now..
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on August 25, 2009, 09:04:54 AM
I actually thought Kuyt was one of the best players on the pitch yesterday.. As always working harder than everyone else and right in the thick of everything positive with liverpool. Man hit crossbar, won headers, got chances, setup chances and even got back and put in a solid shift on the right.. don't think you can ask more of a forward converted to a winger..
the game yesterday was weird in that its one of the few times i would say a team was unlucky to win 3-1.. the first goal was a hard luck, the second goal was another hard luck right before the half with the lil piece ah sourness with the ref (although it was the correct call).. and if you watch gerrard's foul for the penalty you will see that reo coker actually mistrap the ball, if he had collect properly then he woulda get a clean jam from gerrard.. Liverpool were on top for alot of the game.
another thing i picking up.. if you listen to the vibes going on, it seems like Rafa get a 6 for a 9.. Rumor has it that he was close to leaving the club in midweek after falling out with the board, what i feel happen is that they tell him once he sell he will get to use the money to buy.. Then when he done sell Xabi, they tell him hard luck dey breds but we need that paper.
Off the field probs is an issue with that side right now..
Wenger has the same issues but he is frugal anyway so he could survive that. But the absence of Xabi is glaring on this team right now. Gerrard has to come up to far to recieve the ball and begin setting up the offense. Once teams realize this they will be able to press them hard while choking the right wing rendering Johnson mostly irrelivant if done right. Of all the usual suspects to contend for the title Liverpool looks the most out of sorts followed closely by Man U. City is now a bit stronger with a quality CB in Lescott to add with Toure. In about a month they should look the part with better overall quality on the field and if LFC and ManU haven't quickly corrected their issues, they might be looking up at City on the table soon.
Post by: Peong on August 25, 2009, 09:43:21 AM
He's a clown.
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on August 25, 2009, 09:51:39 AM
From Benitez's off-season activity it is clear that he is content with a repeat of last year's placing.
He's a clown.
Why you say that? You think he can spend without the board freeing up the purse?
Post by: kaliman2006 on August 25, 2009, 09:57:31 AM
From Benitez's off-season activity it is clear that he is content with a repeat of last year's placing.
He's a clown.
If he's lucky. Liverpool is in danger of not even qualifying for a European spot next season if the club keeps this up.
Post by: Tenorsaw on August 25, 2009, 10:57:20 AM
I actually thought Kuyt was one of the best players on the pitch yesterday.. As always working harder than everyone else and right in the thick of everything positive with liverpool. Man hit crossbar, won headers, got chances, setup chances and even got back and put in a solid shift on the right.. don't think you can ask more of a forward converted to a winger..
the game yesterday was weird in that its one of the few times i would say a team was unlucky to win 3-1.. the first goal was a hard luck, the second goal was another hard luck right before the half with the lil piece ah sourness with the ref (although it was the correct call).. and if you watch gerrard's foul for the penalty you will see that reo coker actually mistrap the ball, if he had collect properly then he woulda get a clean jam from gerrard.. Liverpool were on top for alot of the game.
another thing i picking up.. if you listen to the vibes going on, it seems like Rafa get a 6 for a 9.. Rumor has it that he was close to leaving the club in midweek after falling out with the board, what i feel happen is that they tell him once he sell he will get to use the money to buy.. Then when he done sell Xabi, they tell him hard luck dey breds but we need that paper.
Off the field probs is an issue with that side right now..
Wenger has the same issues but he is frugal anyway so he could survive that. But the absence of Xabi is glaring on this team right now. Gerrard has to come up to far to recieve the ball and begin setting up the offense. Once teams realize this they will be able to press them hard while choking the right wing rendering Johnson mostly irrelivant if done right. Of all the usual suspects to contend for the title Liverpool looks the most out of sorts followed closely by Man U. City is now a bit stronger with a quality CB in Lescott to add with Toure. In about a month they should look the part with better overall quality on the field and if LFC and ManU haven't quickly corrected their issues, they might be looking up at City on the table soon.
Yep. No true ball handler behind Stevie. Lucas either going laterally or backwards. Has no penetrating passing range. Gareth Barry would have been a somewhat seamless replacement, but looks like we gape on that and City came iin with a load of cash. Gillette and Hicks need to ride out fu*king now.
Post by: DeSoWa on August 25, 2009, 11:13:56 AM
Big Up!
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on August 25, 2009, 11:16:35 AM
Yep. No true ball handler behind Stevie. Lucas either going laterally or backwards. Has no penetrating passing range. Gareth Barry would have been a somewhat seamless replacement, but looks like we gape on that and City came iin with a load of cash. Gillette and Hicks need to ride out fu*king now.
I really doh understand why them even involved in this sport because they rell clueless.
Post by: elan on August 25, 2009, 11:21:23 AM
Post by: WestCoast on August 25, 2009, 04:28:33 PM
what's the big deal?...is not like allyuh get beat by burnley or something ;Dwop wap
Big Up!
:rotfl:
ya tink braveheart go geh over that one ;D
Post by: Bourbon on August 25, 2009, 05:55:15 PM
Football fans are the best.
Post by: giggsy11 on August 25, 2009, 06:11:35 PM
(http://i32.tinypic.com/25gt92b.jpg)
Football fans are the best.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:- allyuh men rell kicksy and talented yes! I have nothing to say about Liverstool's struggles cause I still not sure what my team will bring week in and week out.
Post by: spideybuff on August 27, 2009, 08:49:05 AM
Torres gettign too much abuse by himself up front to perform effectively but Liverpool doen't have anybody to really take that pressure off of him now that Gerrard doing more work in midfield since Alonso gone.
He say that every one of their challengers have an ex- Liverpool striker to call on from their bench while Liverpool bench does not have anybody of the caliber of : Anelka, Owen, Crouch (and Keane) and Bellamy.
I now see Arsenal not there, but u get the point.
Post by: giggsy11 on August 27, 2009, 09:50:19 AM
I see a man make a salient point on a liverpool board there.
Torres gettign too much abuse by himself up front to perform effectively but Liverpool doen't have anybody to really take that pressure off of him now that Gerrard doing more work in midfield since Alonso gone.
He say that every one of their challengers have an ex- Liverpool striker to call on from their bench while Liverpool bench does not have anybody of the caliber of : Anelka, Owen, Crouch (and Keane) and Bellamy.
I now see Arsenal not there, but u get the point.
I think all them managers have they blindspots- Ferguson is the midfield, Rafa is forwards, Arsene9 is defence and The Italian is playing a narrow system and thinking he will be successful all year. Hughes is thinking he can buy talented players who motivated by playing for the monies and thinking is because Citeh is shite!
Post by: JDB on August 27, 2009, 11:02:51 AM
I see a man make a salient point on a liverpool board there.
Torres gettign too much abuse by himself up front to perform effectively but Liverpool doen't have anybody to really take that pressure off of him now that Gerrard doing more work in midfield since Alonso gone.
He say that every one of their challengers have an ex- Liverpool striker to call on from their bench while Liverpool bench does not have anybody of the caliber of : Anelka, Owen, Crouch (and Keane) and Bellamy.
I now see Arsenal not there, but u get the point.
I notice that during the Spurs game. Spurs call on Crouch and Pavluchenko off the bench, Liverpool call on Voronin.
Big difference.
Post by: spideybuff on August 27, 2009, 11:05:40 AM
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Post by: boss on August 29, 2009, 09:48:55 AM
when aquilani going to be fit?
2-3 weeks :beermug:
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Yup..all players who couldn't cut it under Benitez (actually i think Anelka was before that tenure)
Anelka was before. Owen only played one match under him, and the deal was basically done before Benitez began.
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Post by: Bakes on September 19, 2009, 11:25:30 AM
Carragher is one of my favorite players on the team... but defensively he's been a mess this season. That young Jamaican Hines giving him all kinda fits.
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Post by: boss on September 20, 2009, 11:57:49 AM
My problem is Glen Johnson. In between scoring all those goals, has anyone noticed that he can't defend well? In fact, I think Carragher having to help on the right so much has contributed to Liverpool leaking so many goals this season.
Michael Owen's goal hurt my heart today. He may be a traitor, but that bitch is fantastic in front of goal...
Post by: Bakes on September 20, 2009, 12:03:50 PM
Kyrgiakos was on the bench yesterday. I think the idea of starting anyone ahead of Carragher is ludicrous. Yes, he had a terrible game yesterday. And yes, his distribution going forward is non-existent (and always was) but I'll put him in my starting 11 everytime. He will bounce back. :beermug:
My problem is Glen Johnson. In between scoring all those goals, has anyone noticed that he can't defend well? In fact, I think Carragher having to help on the right so much has contributed to Liverpool leaking so many goals this season.
Michael Owen's goal hurt my heart today. He may be a traitor, but that bitch is fantastic in front of goal...
You have to be mad to even be questioning Johnson's contribution in defense. Yesterday was the first time Glen Johnson was troubled all season... and even so, how many runs did Parker or Hines have on his side in the second half?
Post by: boss on September 20, 2009, 12:58:11 PM
You have to be mad to even be questioning Johnson's contribution in defense. Yesterday was the first time Glen Johnson was troubled all season... and even so, how many runs did Parker or Hines have on his side in the second half?
I know I'm in the minority, but I'm not impressed and I would include his England performances in there as well. I will admit that he had a good 2nd half yesterday though.
Post by: Tenorsaw on September 21, 2009, 10:14:29 AM
Kyrgiakos was on the bench yesterday. I think the idea of starting anyone ahead of Carragher is ludicrous. Yes, he had a terrible game yesterday. And yes, his distribution going forward is non-existent (and always was) but I'll put him in my starting 11 everytime. He will bounce back. :beermug:
My problem is Glen Johnson. In between scoring all those goals, has anyone noticed that he can't defend well? In fact, I think Carragher having to help on the right so much has contributed to Liverpool leaking so many goals this season.
Michael Owen's goal hurt my heart today. He may be a traitor, but that bitch is fantastic in front of goal...
Don't totally agree. When Johnson buckled down to defending and cut back on his overlaping runs, he shut down Hines in the last 35 mins of the game. It's just a matter of balance. Benitez will start to temper them overlapping runs, although I don't want him to stop them totally, cause they do trouble the opponents.
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Post by: Bakes on September 26, 2009, 10:12:17 AM
Torres again..best striker in the world.
Not sure about that... but he's in terrific form (two weeks after I dropped him from my fantasy side :-( ).
I was thinking this after his second goal... is he the best in the EPL? In all objectivity I think something would have to be said about Drogba... as much as I can't stand him. What I would say is that there isn't another EPL striker with his combination of speed, touch, close-control and finishing. Even individually I don't think there's another striker in England with his close-control... his ability to dribble while tightly marked is incredible. I also think that he's right up there in each of the other individual categories above as well.... and his strength is severely underrated. He holds up the ball very well and usually to create chances for himself.
Another area in which he's unparalleled as a striker is in his willingness and abilty to hustle and help out on defense... I think only Rooney comes close for my money.
Great, great player.
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on September 26, 2009, 12:05:20 PM
f**k man Fergie!!! should have signed him when we had the chance lol
Post by: Tenorsaw on September 26, 2009, 12:06:33 PM
Torres again..best striker in the world.
Not sure about that... but he's in terrific form (two weeks after I dropped him from my fantasy side :-( ).
I was thinking this after his second goal... is he the best in the EPL? In all objectivity I think something would have to be said about Drogba... as much as I can't stand him. What I would say is that there isn't another EPL striker with his combination of speed, touch, close-control and finishing. Even individually I don't think there's another striker in England with his close-control... his ability to dribble while tightly marked is incredible. I also think that he's right up there in each of the other individual categories above as well.... and his strength is severely underrated. He holds up the ball very well and usually to create chances for himself.
Another area in which he's unparalleled as a striker is in his willingness and abilty to hustle and help out on defense... I think only Rooney comes close for my money.
Great, great player.
Yep...Jury is split as to who is better between Drogba and Torres. I'd say Torres, but then again, there comes a heavy degree of bias to that. I just put him in my Soccernet fantasy team last night. I expect to make big moves after this weekend.
Post by: Bakes on September 26, 2009, 01:26:47 PM
Yep...Jury is split as to who is better between Drogba and Torres. I'd say Torres, but then again, there comes a heavy degree of bias to that. I just put him in my Soccernet fantasy team last night. I expect to make big moves after this weekend.
To me what separates him from Drogba, Eto'o and Rooney is that the latter two are primarily poachers... probably more so Rooney than Eto'o. Eto'o and certainly Drogba rely on service from others to get their goals... and Drogba is kinda one-dimensional in his role as target man.
Torres does it all... he's certainly better than any of those three in the air. He can hold up the ball not only to set up opportunities for others... but to score for himself as I mentioned earlier. His touch is phenomenal... in fact he had one bad touch today (and an errant cross) and the commentators had a good laugh, they were like 'write it down... Torres is human', lol.
I just hope the officials start protecting him a bit more though because he takes too much of a beating for anyone, but certainly for a player of his class.
Post by: Daft Trini on September 26, 2009, 02:51:18 PM
Yep...Jury is split as to who is better between Drogba and Torres. I'd say Torres, but then again, there comes a heavy degree of bias to that. I just put him in my Soccernet fantasy team last night. I expect to make big moves after this weekend.
To me what separates him from Drogba, Eto'o and Rooney is that the latter two are primarily poachers... probably more so Rooney than Eto'o. Eto'o and certainly Drogba rely on service from others to get their goals... and Drogba is kinda one-dimensional in his role as target man.
Torres does it all... he's certainly better than any of those three in the air. He can hold up the ball not only to set up opportunities for others... but to score for himself as I mentioned earlier. His touch is phenomenal... in fact he had one bad touch today (and an errant cross) and the commentators had a good laugh, they were like 'write it down... Torres is human', lol.
I just hope the officials start protecting him a bit more though because he takes too much of a beating for anyone, but certainly for a player of his class.
Totally agree... :beermug:
Post by: boss on October 10, 2009, 06:39:37 AM
http://www.sporcle.com/games/ChanandlerBong/liverpool_scorers
This was a LOT harder than I thought it would be...I missed 8 of them >:( :beermug:
Post by: Observer on October 10, 2009, 08:35:46 AM
He was right! Arguably the best pure striker in the Premier.
Post by: Bakes on October 10, 2009, 11:44:00 AM
I remeber watching him in training as a youth with his club, already on the senior team and getting the feeling that he was just going through the motions. Then observed him in two home games at The Vicente Calderon stadium. Again he looked not interested, but showed flashes of pure genius and quality finishing. My friend said to me that sadly he believed it would be best for him to leave At Madrid for people to see the best of him.
He was right! Arguably the best pure striker in the Premier.
For me his ability to head the ball is the most surprising (and least appreciated part of his game). I just like his close-control of the ball... it's something special to watch a player dribble in a box with men all around him, and then still be able to create chances for himself or teammates.
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Boss you do good... I could only name 6. That list deceptive though... is only players who played in the Prem. Men like Dalglish not on that list.
Post by: elan on October 10, 2009, 01:00:25 PM
Yep...Jury is split as to who is better between Drogba and Torres. I'd say Torres, but then again, there comes a heavy degree of bias to that. I just put him in my Soccernet fantasy team last night. I expect to make big moves after this weekend.
To me what separates him from Drogba, Eto'o and Rooney is that the latter two are primarily poachers... probably more so Rooney than Eto'o. Eto'o and certainly Drogba rely on service from others to get their goals... and Drogba is kinda one-dimensional in his role as target man.
Torres does it all... he's certainly better than any of those three in the air. He can hold up the ball not only to set up opportunities for others... but to score for himself as I mentioned earlier. His touch is phenomenal... in fact he had one bad touch today (and an errant cross) and the commentators had a good laugh, they were like 'write it down... Torres is human', lol.
I just hope the officials start protecting him a bit more though because he takes too much of a beating for anyone, but certainly for a player of his class.
You serious about? Drogba is the complete striker and the game last weekend where Torres could not figure it out and Drogba did showed the difference in the quality of the two players. Drogba control is second to none. He can run at you, through you, around you, great in the air, score free kicks, defend, and cuss you out in the same game.
Post by: Bakes on October 10, 2009, 04:10:19 PM
You serious about? Drogba is the complete striker and the game last weekend where Torres could not figure it out and Drogba did showed the difference in the quality of the two players. Drogba control is second to none. He can run at you, through you, around you, great in the air, score free kicks, defend, and cuss you out in the same game.
Last weekend's game doesn't say anything about their individual abilities... Ivanovic and Carvalho did a good job of handcuffing him while Carragher was deficient on both goals, a) by letting Anelka get in behind him (Lucas didn't help him out either)onn the first goal; b) by getting undressed on the endline by Drogba on the second. How does that prove anything about their relative abilities?
Drogba has 61 EPL goals in 142 appearances in over 5 yrs in the EPL. Torres will most likely pass that total by the end of this his third season... already having 46 goals in 61 appearances, including a hattrick. What should I conclude from that one game with the hattrick that because he had one and Drogba ent have on this year that Torres better? I doh even see how you supposed to be teaching de game and that is the type of analysis you doing. Drogba scoring rate is .42 (a goal every 2.3 matches); Torres' rate is .71 (a goal every 1.4 matches).
Drogba can't dribble at a defender the way Torres can, certainly not in traffic. His strength is literally his strength so he'll more overpower a defender, or kick it past the defender and chase it down. Torres always has the ball on his feet. He'll also drop deep in midfield and pick up the ball himself... when last has Drogba done that?
And did I add that he's doing all that, almost eclipsing Drogba's total and he's six years younger?
Post by: elan on October 10, 2009, 05:26:08 PM
You serious about? Drogba is the complete striker and the game last weekend where Torres could not figure it out and Drogba did showed the difference in the quality of the two players. Drogba control is second to none. He can run at you, through you, around you, great in the air, score free kicks, defend, and cuss you out in the same game.
Last weekend's game doesn't say anything about their individual abilities... Ivanovic and Carvalho did a good job of handcuffing him while Carragher was deficient on both goals, a) by letting Anelka get in behind him (Lucas didn't help him out either)onn the first goal; b) by getting undressed on the endline by Drogba on the second. How does that prove anything about their relative abilities?
Drogba has 61 EPL goals in 142 appearances in over 5 yrs in the EPL. Torres will most likely pass that total by the end of this his third season... already having 46 goals in 61 appearances, including a hattrick. What should I conclude from that one game with the hattrick that because he had one and Drogba ent have on this year that Torres better? I doh even see how you supposed to be teaching de game and that is the type of analysis you doing. Drogba scoring rate is .42 (a goal every 2.3 matches); Torres' rate is .71 (a goal every 1.4 matches).
Drogba can't dribble at a defender the way Torres can, certainly not in traffic. His strength is literally his strength so he'll more overpower a defender, or kick it past the defender and chase it down. Torres always has the ball on his feet. He'll also drop deep in midfield and pick up the ball himself... when last has Drogba done that?
And did I add that he's doing all that, almost eclipsing Drogba's total and he's six years younger?
Thank you for proving what I said. He got handcuffed by great defending, but Carragher was defficient? That rational is laughable. Drogba imposed himself on the Liverpool defense, totally dominating them this is what big strikers do. Yet you take that away from him. Torres whimp out. You are being very biased here. All your analysis is well and good, but at the end Drogba got it done and Torres could not. If you cannot use this to compare them, then what will you use.Big players play in big game. The weekend before Torres destroyed, yet when a big team rolls around what?
This is why I could teach the game and you only have armchair understanding. Stats are all well and good, that is not very relevant in a discussion on technical and tactical ability. You need to understand how this thing work and not flatter yourself thinking you can roll stats out and somehow this translate to being able to analyse player performance.
You not being fair about you comparison. I putting Drogba to run at any defender in and out of traffic, apparently you have not seen him shred defenses. I wonder why? Defender have to respect him, they back off cause they know what's about to happen and then they still get punished. He is almost impossible to defend.
Post by: Bakes on October 10, 2009, 07:52:56 PM
Thank you for proving what I said. He got handcuffed by great defending, but Carragher was defficient? That rational is laughable. Drogba imposed himself on the Liverpool defense, totally dominating them this is what big strikers do. Yet you take that away from him. Torres whimp out. You are being very biased here. All your analysis is well and good, but at the end Drogba got it done and Torres could not. If you cannot use this to compare them, then what will you use.Big players play in big game. The weekend before Torres destroyed, yet when a big team rolls around what?I done see you ketching feelings arready, lol.
This is why I could teach the game and you only have armchair understanding. Stats are all well and good, that is not very relevant in a discussion on technical and tactical ability. You need to understand how this thing work and not flatter yourself thinking you can roll stats out and somehow this translate to being able to analyse player performance.
You not being fair about you comparison. I putting Drogba to run at any defender in and out of traffic, apparently you have not seen him shred defenses. I wonder why? Defender have to respect him, they back off cause they know what's about to happen and then they still get punished. He is almost impossible to defend.
Stats not important to determining who better? LOL okay boss. But since yuh apparently missed it, the entire discussion up until I buss out the stats was on "technical and tactical ability", stats was just to emphasize the pace Torres on. At the end of the day what you judge strikers by is their ability to put the ball in the back of the net... yuh doh have to be too bright to understand that. In that department Torres has it over Drogba, not even close.
My 'rational' about Carragher laughable you say? Anybody watching Liverpool this season could tell you how poor Carra's been... it's no secret and is not just men with 'armchair understanding' like me saying dat... but if you think different whey ah go say, I need tuh step mih game up and find ah girls team to coach so ah could develop some ah dat unnerstandin' yuh have... you big teacher you.
Every one ah dem point you make there I could refute, but
Post by: elan on October 11, 2009, 02:15:10 PM
Thank you for proving what I said. He got handcuffed by great defending, but Carragher was defficient? That rational is laughable. Drogba imposed himself on the Liverpool defense, totally dominating them this is what big strikers do. Yet you take that away from him. Torres whimp out. You are being very biased here. All your analysis is well and good, but at the end Drogba got it done and Torres could not. If you cannot use this to compare them, then what will you use.Big players play in big game. The weekend before Torres destroyed, yet when a big team rolls around what?I done see you ketching feelings arready, lol.
This is why I could teach the game and you only have armchair understanding. Stats are all well and good, that is not very relevant in a discussion on technical and tactical ability. You need to understand how this thing work and not flatter yourself thinking you can roll stats out and somehow this translate to being able to analyse player performance.
You not being fair about you comparison. I putting Drogba to run at any defender in and out of traffic, apparently you have not seen him shred defenses. I wonder why? Defender have to respect him, they back off cause they know what's about to happen and then they still get punished. He is almost impossible to defend.
Stats not important to determining who better? LOL okay boss. But since yuh apparently missed it, the entire discussion up until I buss out the stats was on "technical and tactical ability", stats was just to emphasize the pace Torres on. At the end of the day what you judge strikers by is their ability to put the ball in the back of the net... yuh doh have to be too bright to understand that. In that department Torres has it over Drogba, not even close.
My 'rational' about Carragher laughable you say? Anybody watching Liverpool this season could tell you how poor Carra's been... it's no secret and is not just men with 'armchair understanding' like me saying dat... but if you think different whey ah go say, I need tuh step mih game up and find ah girls team to coach so ah could develop some ah dat unnerstandin' yuh have... you big teacher you.
Every one ah dem point you make there I could refute, but
Are discussing success or ability?
Post by: Bakes on October 23, 2009, 08:45:46 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/kNcIOzRpZvk
.... we righting de ship dis weekend :beermug:
Post by: Trini Madness on October 23, 2009, 08:55:18 AM
Post by: Bakes on October 23, 2009, 09:09:50 AM
i really hoping aquilani bring something oui...
Read good reports about his mid-week turn out with the reserves, so here's hoping he's match fit soon. We need help on the backline like crazy... still have faith in Johnson and Skrtel, but Carra and Insua need to be on a shorter leash.
Post by: Peong on October 23, 2009, 09:56:58 AM
Post by: Kayus on October 23, 2009, 02:33:25 PM
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=688035&cc=5901
Post by: Tenorsaw on October 23, 2009, 05:07:08 PM
i really hoping aquilani bring something oui...
Read good reports about his mid-week turn out with the reserves, so here's hoping he's match fit soon. We need help on the backline like crazy... still have faith in Johnson and Skrtel, but Carra and Insua need to be on a shorter leash.
Agger for Carra... Insua is OK...
Post by: Observer on October 28, 2009, 03:06:28 PM
Bendtner scored but struggling to play with his team mates who in sync.
Nasri back and lookig as usual
Arsenal have more English players on the field than Liverpool who have none.
Liverpool have just as many French players on the field ;D
Liverpool Argentine player scored an amazing goal.
Post by: TdotTrini on October 28, 2009, 03:10:01 PM
Yeah to me Bentner never seem to be in sync with his team mates.
Post by: DeSoWa on October 28, 2009, 03:51:40 PM
Big Up!
Post by: elan on October 28, 2009, 05:30:37 PM
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Post by: boss on October 31, 2009, 12:22:02 PM
Post by: big dawg on October 31, 2009, 12:32:53 PM
A: Yes
B: No
C: Not Sure
D: Give Him time
E: Why should they ?. They was going and win nothing anyway ;D
Post by: Bakes on October 31, 2009, 01:00:57 PM
Post by: Observer on October 31, 2009, 01:05:52 PM
Post by: Mango Chow! on October 31, 2009, 01:06:38 PM
you should make a poll with
A: Yes
B: No
C: Not Sure
D: Give Him time
E: Why should they ?. They was going and win nothing anyway ;D
Ans= E ;D
Post by: GODFATHER on October 31, 2009, 02:36:28 PM
Post by: Bakes on October 31, 2009, 03:18:08 PM
Last week people big up Rafa, this week lets fire him. Football fans strange we.
Nutten strange at all... I calling fuh he head since last year because he seems bereft of ideas. In the off-season he made moves which collectively haven't benefitted the club. Glen Johnson's signing is a big move, but we brought in Krygiakos who is yet to get any meaningful run, let alone pay dividends. We essentially traded Xabi for Aquilani... how has that worked out? There is little depth behind Gerrard and none whatsoever behind Torres.
Other recent signings such as Babel and Ngog haven't paid off while castoffs such as Hyypia and Riise are contributing handsomely elsewhere. As I said... the ledger just isn't in his favor and one superlative result against Utd. is insufficient at this point to meaningfully tilt the balance back towards positive.
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Having read the match report I see we finished with 9 men... so I guess it wasn't that ridiculous a guess to think that there was some sort of competitive disadvantage on the field, but still... we're just not consistent enough and certainly not playing up to our standard.
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Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on October 31, 2009, 05:17:43 PM
Any other manager(except Legend Sir Alex) he would be sacked
Post by: dinho on October 31, 2009, 05:40:48 PM
I think he has run his course at Liverpool..
I always felt Rafa was an excellent cup manager and master tactician in the knockout format.. but throughout his tenure at liverpool, his league management left a whole lot to be desired..
First few seasons it was his negative tactics away from home and against big teams, afraid to have a go at them and the team suffered..
Then his constant rotation, especially during the early stages of the last few seasons never gave his team a chance to gel and be consistent to build a platform for a serious title challenge..
Never regarded him highly as a man manager.. always sour and always over conservative with praise, and plus he real fork up that whole situation with Xabi Alonso last year. Yuh doh treat a great player like that so, peddling him around like ah ho to make a play for Gareth Barry. It will take at least a couple seasons well before Alberto Aquilani can fill that void.. and thats still a big IF.
The only thing that save Rafa up to now is the fumes from the 2005 champs league title, the fact that Torres turned out to be one of the most lethal strikers in the world and that Gerrard is a talisman. Other than that, the side he built is nothing.. Which to be fair is not entirely his fault given the ownership situation, but still he hadda take some responsibility.. After all, he run some good strikers with potential like Cisse, Bellamy and Baros out of town and turn Kuyt into a winger.
Making it too easy for Chelsea to win this league man..
Post by: Cantona007 on October 31, 2009, 06:18:55 PM
Fumes from 2005 is no joke. As for 2005 (and any other thing Rafa's rejects have achieved), it's all down to Stevie Me and the Transvestite Wonder, two GENUINELY special players. I hesitate to even give him credit for the 2005 CL triumph... As far as I'm concerned Milan lost that game (but this is unadulterated bias, so...).
Can anyone tell me what Rafa has against Benayoun??? This is beginning to look personal...
Post by: boss on October 31, 2009, 06:26:12 PM
Not a Liverpool fan, so I hope Rafa stays forever :devil:
Fumes from 2005 is no joke. As for 2005 (and any other thing Rafa's rejects have achieved), it's all down to Stevie Me and the Transvestite Wonder, two GENUINELY special players. I hesitate to even give him credit for the 2005 CL triumph... As far as I'm concerned Milan lost that game (but this is unadulterated bias, so...).
Can anyone tell me what Rafa has against Benayoun??? This is beginning to look personal...
??? Who's that?
Post by: Cantona007 on October 31, 2009, 06:34:54 PM
Not a Liverpool fan, so I hope Rafa stays forever :devil:
Fumes from 2005 is no joke. As for 2005 (and any other thing Rafa's rejects have achieved), it's all down to Stevie Me and the Transvestite Wonder, two GENUINELY special players. I hesitate to even give him credit for the 2005 CL triumph... As far as I'm concerned Milan lost that game (but this is unadulterated bias, so...).
Can anyone tell me what Rafa has against Benayoun??? This is beginning to look personal...
??? Who's that?
Torres... shouldn't be hard to figure out. 'pool only have 2 special players
Post by: boss on October 31, 2009, 06:47:50 PM
Not a Liverpool fan, so I hope Rafa stays forever :devil:
Fumes from 2005 is no joke. As for 2005 (and any other thing Rafa's rejects have achieved), it's all down to Stevie Me and the Transvestite Wonder, two GENUINELY special players. I hesitate to even give him credit for the 2005 CL triumph... As far as I'm concerned Milan lost that game (but this is unadulterated bias, so...).
Can anyone tell me what Rafa has against Benayoun??? This is beginning to look personal...
??? Who's that?
Torres...
So Torres was responsible for the 2005 Champions League win even though he joined Liverpool in 2007? Incredible!!
Look, I am very unhappy with Liverpool's performance this season, but the idea of firing Benitez is ridiculous, for the following reasons:
1) The club is in serious financial peril, and if you believe what you read, it is in so much debt and can barely afford their interest payments that a new manager is the last thing on anyone's mind.
2) Along similar lines, the club cannot afford to sack Benitez, as the payout will be crippling
3) Last year, Liverpool finished 4 points off the leaders. 4 points. A win and a draw. Alonso is the only major difference from last year's team, and while he was a class player and I'm a huge fan, a team does not go from almost-the-best to complete-shit when one player departs.
4) Yes, Rafa has made bad purchases (Nunez...) but he has made very good ones too, and financially speaking, many of the players who have moved on have done so at a profit (Alonso: bought for £14, sold for £30-something for example). Also, this first team eleven is strong, and definitely stronger than the first XI when Rafa joined (Traore, Diao, Biscan, Baros etc).
5) Injuries have been terrible this season. That's not an excuse, it's a fact. While the team today should still have beaten Fulham, the number of players who weren't even on the bench was staggering.
6) Who the hell else is going to come and manage Liverpool under those two idiot owners? I wouldn't. If anything, Rafa will leave. And I hope he doesn't. :beermug:
Post by: Cantona007 on October 31, 2009, 06:59:00 PM
Not a Liverpool fan, so I hope Rafa stays forever :devil:
Fumes from 2005 is no joke. As for 2005 (and any other thing Rafa's rejects have achieved), it's all down to Stevie Me and the Transvestite Wonder, two GENUINELY special players. I hesitate to even give him credit for the 2005 CL triumph... As far as I'm concerned Milan lost that game (but this is unadulterated bias, so...).
Can anyone tell me what Rafa has against Benayoun??? This is beginning to look personal...
??? Who's that?
Torres...
So Torres was responsible for the 2005 Champions League win even though he joined Liverpool in 2007? Incredible!!
Look, I am very unhappy with Liverpool's performance this season, but the idea of firing Benitez is ridiculous, for the following reasons:
1) The club is in serious financial peril, and if you believe what you read, it is in so much debt and can barely afford their interest payments that a new manager is the last thing on anyone's mind.
2) Along similar lines, the club cannot afford to sack Benitez, as the payout will be crippling
3) Last year, Liverpool finished 4 points off the leaders. 4 points. A win and a draw. Alonso is the only major difference from last year's team, and while he was a class player and I'm a huge fan, a team does not go from almost-the-best to complete-shit when one player departs.
4) Yes, Rafa has made bad purchases (Nunez...) but he has made very good ones too, and financially speaking, many of the players who have moved on have done so at a profit (Alonso: bought for £14, sold for £30-something for example). Also, this first team eleven is strong, and definitely stronger than the first XI when Rafa joined (Traore, Diao, Biscan, Baros etc).
5) Injuries have been terrible this season. That's not an excuse, it's a fact. While the team today should still have beaten Fulham, the number of players who weren't even on the bench was staggering.
6) Who the hell else is going to come and manage Liverpool under those two idiot owners? I wouldn't. If anything, Rafa will leave. And I hope he doesn't. :beermug:
Yes, Boss, I know that La Nina was not there is 2005. I did not juxtapose the CL final and 'pool's subsequent performances. BTW, I don't think I ever said that Rafa should be fired. In fact, I am saying, as a United fan, long may Rafa's reign continue... just kicks... :beermug:
Post by: boss on October 31, 2009, 07:01:28 PM
BTW, I don't think I ever said that Rafa should be fired. In fact, I am saying, as a United fan, long may Rafa's reign continue... just kicks... :beermug:
No worries man ;D :beermug:
Post by: fatimarima on October 31, 2009, 07:16:24 PM
5 league losses in 6 games at a big club like Liverpool? Is it time for Rafa to go?
lol..why allyuh even care bout this?
Post by: Bakes on October 31, 2009, 07:20:00 PM
3)...a team does not go from almost-the-best to complete-shit when one player departs.
Sell Torres and see what happen.
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Every professional team will go thru its spells... for the ManU fans who running in here dancing on what they perceive as Liverpool's grave... don't get too comfortble under the Glazers. Tampa Bay Bucs wont the SuperBowl in 2000.... today they're winless in the NFL. Abramovich won't keep spending like there's no reckoning, nor may be be permitted to if current trends stay the same. Then where does that leave Chelsea? Arsenal may have the most fiscally-sound blueprint there is... but I'm sure even them not immune.
So yeah... laugh now, cry later... such is professional sports.
Post by: Cantona007 on October 31, 2009, 07:26:32 PM
3)...a team does not go from almost-the-best to complete-shit when one player departs.
Sell Torres and see what happen.
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Every professional team will go thru its spells... for the ManU fans who running in here dancing on what they perceive as Liverpool's grave... don't get too comfortble under the Glazers. Tampa Bay Bucs wont the SuperBowl in 2000.... today they're winless in the NFL. Abramovich won't keep spending like there's no reckoning, nor may be be permitted to if current trends stay the same. Then where does that leave Chelsea? Arsenal may have the most fiscally-sound blueprint there is... but I'm sure even them not immune.
So yeah... laugh now, cry later... such is professional sports.
All true, which is why laughing now is so important; you may never get the chance again.
Post by: Bakes on November 09, 2009, 02:24:41 PM
Joe Hart made two beautiful point blanks saves after John dribbled between to defenders on the right to cross first to N'gog who was frustrated by Hart the first time, the rebound fell to Kuyt who too was blocked by a fine reflex save. That rebound went to Insua on the left side who crossed to N'gog for the one-timer into the roof of the net.
Still 1-0 after 21'... game on now on ESPN2 in the US.
Post by: Blue on November 09, 2009, 02:29:48 PM
Ridiculous half-volley from N'gog (from close in to be fair) to put Liverpool up 1-0 in the 14'.
Joe Hart made two beautiful point blanks saves after John dribbled between to defenders on the right to cross first Riera who was frustrated by Hart, the rebound fell to Kuyt who too was blocked by a fine reflex save. That rebound went to Insua on the left side who crossed to N'gog for the one-timer into the roof of the net.
Still 1-0 after 21'... game on now on ESPN2 in the US.
gone too soon.... ;)
Benitez sinks Benitez ;D
Post by: Bakes on November 09, 2009, 02:31:11 PM
Post by: elan on November 09, 2009, 02:32:16 PM
Post by: Bakes on November 09, 2009, 02:51:39 PM
Make it worse... Riera injured his hamstring again, Gerrard on for him.
2-1 Birmingham at the half.
Post by: Blue on November 09, 2009, 02:51:47 PM
Bye Bye Benitez :flamethrower:
Post by: elan on November 09, 2009, 02:53:24 PM
Post by: Bakes on November 09, 2009, 02:55:03 PM
wow
Bye Bye Benitez :flamethrower:
Can't blame Rafa for any of that... we were unfortunate not to score again... and unfortunate to concede the first goal to be honest. Just like Clark's strike against TnT to knock us out of the World Cup, there is nothing the keeper could have done about that, you just have to tip your hat to the strike. Can't even blame the defense because he was under pressure with a man on his hip when he hit it. Brilliant strike.
Plenty football still to play.
Post by: elan on November 09, 2009, 02:55:18 PM
Liverpool playing all over Brum in the first half... yet Cameron Jerome absolutely string up Reina with a 35-yard stunner. Liverpool should easily have 3 goals were it not for poor finishing and brilliant keeping by Hart.
Make it worse... Riera injured his hamstring again, Gerrard on for him.
2-1 Birmingham at the half.
What about the useless defender he hold off. Like he was being marked by a paper bag.
Post by: Bakes on November 09, 2009, 03:34:30 PM
Gerrard to the spot 2-2 in the 71'
Hate tuh see that in the game really.
Post by: Bakes on November 09, 2009, 03:47:22 PM
2-2 in the 83'
Post by: big dawg on November 09, 2009, 03:48:46 PM
Wow... stunning dive by N'gog... to earn a penalty.
Gerrard to the spot 2-2 in the 71'
Hate tuh see that in the game really.
if dey could give eduardo couple games for blantantly diving and deceiving the ref.. expect Ngog to get the same...
Post by: Bakes on November 09, 2009, 03:57:06 PM
if dey could give eduardo couple games for blantantly diving and deceiving the ref.. expect Ngog to get the same...
Eduardo was never suspended.
Besides... that was UEFA who wanted to suspend him, not the English FA... I doubt there will be any sanction.
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25 shots to 5
11 Corners to 1... in favor of Liverpool.
... not even counting the number of fouls on Birmingham that won't show up in the official stats because the Steve Walton waved the advantage to be played on.
2-2 FT
Post by: ZionYouth on November 09, 2009, 07:18:59 PM
Post by: Bakes on November 09, 2009, 07:24:51 PM
Ngog had some nice moves today :o
Yeah boy, the olympic level dive aside... he and Johnson was giving dem defenders fits whole game.
Post by: ZionYouth on November 09, 2009, 09:26:33 PM
dey couldn't stop johnson..de man just keep goin around dem..Ngog had some nice moves today :o
Yeah boy, the olympic level dive aside... he and Johnson was giving dem defenders fits whole game.
Post by: Bakes on November 12, 2009, 09:54:16 PM
Liverpool Lose Benayoun And Riera For Three to Four Weeks
By REUTERS
Filed at 11:48 a.m. ET
LONDON (Reuters) - Wingers Yossi Benayoun and Albert Riera added to Liverpool's injury woes on Thursday when both were ruled out for up to a month due to muscle problems.
"We will have to wait and see how they progress but hopefully in three weeks they could be available," manager Rafa Benitez told the club's website (www.liverpoolfc.com).
"We are disappointed because there are too many things at the moment we can't change. Both players are wingers as well and for them to be out at the same time is bad news for us."
Liverpool are seventh in the Premier League, 11 points behind leaders Chelsea, and also in danger of making an early exit from the Champions League.
There was better news from other players, with Benitez hoping the international break would allow his injury-depleted squad time to recover before the next game against Manchester City on November 21.
"Sometimes a break comes at a bad time because you don't like to see your players flying all over the world but this time it gives us a chance to get some players back," said the Spaniard.
Benitez said defender Daniel Agger, who suffered a knock in the 2-2 draw against Birmingham City on Monday and withdrew from Denmark's friendlies against South Korea and United States, could be back in training in a few days.
The condition of right back Glen Johnson, who pulled out of England's squad for Saturday's friendly against Brazil, was also encouraging.
"Hopefully it's not too serious and he could be available again in a week," said Benitez.
Spain striker Fernando Torres will need two or three weeks treatment on his groin strain.
"I was talking with him this morning and he is doing well," said Benitez. "Hopefully he can be running in a few days and we will see how he progresses."
(Reporting by Alan Baldwin, editing by Tony Jimenez)
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2009/11/12/sports/sports-uk-soccer-england-liverpool.html?ref=soccer
Post by: elan on November 17, 2009, 12:10:54 PM
Benitez: I will quit if Torres is sold
By Soccernet staff
November 17, 2009
Rafael Benitez has revealed he would be prepared to quit as Liverpool boss if star striker Fernando Torres is ever sold against his will.
Rafael Benitez would not stick around if Fernando Torres was sold against his will.
The club's well-publicised debts have led to questions about whether owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett would be tempted should a big-money offer come in for the Spain striker.
But Benitez told the Times the 25-year-old would not be sold at any cost.
"I'm confident it will never happen,'' he said. "If it did, I'd resign.''
Liverpool's £20 million man Alberto Aquilani was their only high profile arrival in the summer and Benitez has often bemoaned his inability to compete with the likes of Manchester United and Chelsea in the transfer market.
And while the Spanish boss admitted the situation had led him to make some mistakes, he was defiant about his transfer policy.
"When we have spent big, normally it's been very good business,'' he said. "Torres, [Javier] Mascherano, [Pepe] Reina, [Xabi] Alonso.
"[Robbie] Keane is a good player but we had to sell him because he was not playing at the level we knew he could play. "Ryan [Babel] was signed for the future and we are waiting for his improvement. He has to be more consistent.
"With the fringe players, we needed to take a gamble on Bosmans and one, two million-pound players. Some of these players have not been good enough for us. It is a risk you have to accept when there is not too much money about.''
Benitez defended the signing of midfielder Aquilani, who was bought for from Roma to replace Alonso after the Spain international joined Real Madrid in the summer, but is only now reaching fitness after injury problems.
"We can only buy one or two big, £20 million players a year,'' Benitez said. "If we want to have money available then we have to sell some players. We have to sell expensive and buy as cheaply as possible.
"Aquilani fit would be £20-30 million. We checked with doctors and they said he would be out one, maybe two months. We have lost some time, but I signed the player for five years, not five weeks.''
With Liverpool struggling for form and lying seventh in the table having lost five league games already this season, many believe their title aspirations are already dead, while qualification for the knockout stage of this season's Champions League has also been cast into serious doubt.
"People are worried,'' Benitez said. "But the team will improve. When we have key players on the pitch we are as good as anyone. We have proved this in the past.''
Post by: Tenorsaw on November 17, 2009, 05:10:33 PM
Post by: Bakes on November 21, 2009, 06:47:56 AM
Gerrard in, but Johnson out... as is Torres. Babel gets a start for us... Tevez riding bench for some untimely comments for City. Poor Shay Given... feel for him, but hope dey buss he net today, lol
Post by: Bakes on November 21, 2009, 06:57:59 AM
Ngog with a nice run of 6 goals in 16 games, gets a start for 'Pool as well.
Post by: Bakes on November 21, 2009, 07:06:47 AM
Post by: Ngozi on November 21, 2009, 07:55:57 AM
Post by: Bakes on November 21, 2009, 08:04:49 AM
A bit random but ..........Shawn wright Phillips for alll that speed is the biggest shittong I've ever seen....................... not that I care but it almost frustrating to see such a shitty player lol
Well, speed doesn't necessarily mean you're a good player... still that said, I think you're being a bit harsh on him, although he really hasn't helped himself with his inconsistency. I think his turn at Stamford Bridge severely stunted his development, but even so he's two seasons removed now and as a professional should be beyond that.
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1-0 Liverpool in the 50'... Skrtel on the end of a Gerrard freek kick after Zabaleta fouled N'gog just outside the area to the right of Shay Given's goal. First Liverpool goal for Skrtel.
But the air has gone out of this match to be honest... maybe this goal will open things up.
Post by: Tenorsaw on November 21, 2009, 08:14:31 AM
Post by: Tenorsaw on November 21, 2009, 08:19:24 AM
Post by: Bakes on November 21, 2009, 08:20:00 AM
Post by: Bakes on November 21, 2009, 08:27:01 AM
Rafa is ah asshole for trying to sit back for 40 mins.
I just think the team's been poor to be honest...
2-1 City 76' ... great ball to Wright-Phillips, Ireland alone in the box.
EDIT: Benayoun with the equalizer. 2-2 in the 77'
Post by: Jah Gol on November 21, 2009, 08:31:59 AM
Post by: Bakes on November 21, 2009, 08:51:32 AM
really good game.
You probably juss caught the second half... it really turned around b/c the first half was pretty unwatchable. Early injuries took a toll on Liverpool and the game on the whole. Six mins were added.
Tevez paid early dividends for City once he came on for Barry. Stephen Ireland was offside on his goal that briefly put City up. The announcers got it shockingly wrong... as did the officials, unless my understanding of the offside rule is wrong. Wright-Phillips passed the ball to Ireland who was unmarked in the box... they claimed that the he was behind the ball, but I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. The rule is clear... at the time the pass is made you must either be in line with or behind the second to last defender... counting the GK. Here only Reina was ahead of him.
All that aside... Lucas, what a shitsnake. I doh really like bashing players but this dude has shown me nothing.
Post by: Jah Gol on November 21, 2009, 08:59:01 AM
I thought it was offside too.really good game.
You probably juss caught the second half... it really turned around b/c the first half was pretty unwatchable. Early injuries took a toll on Liverpool and the game on the whole. Six mins were added.
Tevez paid early dividends for City once he came on for Barry. Stephen Ireland was offside on his goal that briefly put City up. The announcers got it shockingly wrong... as did the officials, unless my understanding of the offside rule is wrong. Wright-Phillips passed the ball to Ireland who was unmarked in the box... they claimed that the he was behind the ball, but I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. The rule is clear... at the time the pass is made you must either be in line with or behind the second to last defender... counting the GK. Here only Reina was ahead of him.
All that aside... Lucas, what a shitsnake. I doh really like bashing players but this dude has shown me nothing.
Post by: dinho on November 21, 2009, 09:04:18 AM
I thought it was offside too.really good game.
You probably juss caught the second half... it really turned around b/c the first half was pretty unwatchable. Early injuries took a toll on Liverpool and the game on the whole. Six mins were added.
Tevez paid early dividends for City once he came on for Barry. Stephen Ireland was offside on his goal that briefly put City up. The announcers got it shockingly wrong... as did the officials, unless my understanding of the offside rule is wrong. Wright-Phillips passed the ball to Ireland who was unmarked in the box... they claimed that the he was behind the ball, but I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. The rule is clear... at the time the pass is made you must either be in line with or behind the second to last defender... counting the GK. Here only Reina was ahead of him.
All that aside... Lucas, what a shitsnake. I doh really like bashing players but this dude has shown me nothing.
you can be ahead of the second to last defender as long as you're behind or in line with the man passing the ball.. debatable in that goal though, but SWP turn that man so fast that it wouldve been hard for the linesman to make that marginal call.. Notice the liverpool defenders wasnt complaining.
Ngog is shit boy geez an ages, Rafa don't have one other striker better than that?
quote of the game: Reina makes a 1 handed catch on a cross ball and the commentator, "an excellent one-handed take by Pepe Reina... in the style of Thierry Henry"
other commentator couldnt hold in the laugh..
Post by: boss on November 21, 2009, 09:24:39 AM
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You can't be offside if:
# You receive the ball directly from a goal kick, a throw-in or a corner
# You are in your own half of the pitch
# You are level with the second last or last two opponents
# You are level with or behind the ball
# You are not actively involved in play, as explained above
For any offside offence, the referee awards an indirect free-kick to the opposing team, to be taken from the place where the infringement occurred.
Ngog reminds me of Heskey (currently) a little bit, in that he holds up the ball well, but not much else. The difference is that Heskey is near the end of his career and Ngog is just starting his.
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Rafa don't have one other striker better than that?
In a word? No. I don't know why he loaned out Krisztián Németh...I would prefer a young, inexperienced striker to Ngog and Voronin...
Post by: elan on November 21, 2009, 11:42:33 AM
Post by: Mango Chow! on November 21, 2009, 12:17:17 PM
really good game.
The announcers got it shockingly wrong... as did the officials, unless my understanding of the offside rule is wrong.
Clearly and shockingly the case, considering how much you purport yourself to know about the game
Wright-Phillips passed the ball to Ireland who was unmarked in the box... they claimed that the he was behind the ball, but I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. The rule is clear... at the time the pass is made you must either be in line with or behind the second to last defender... counting the GK. Here only Reina was ahead of him.
The rule of one not being offside once you're behind the plane of the ball has been in place for what seems like forever.....it ain't even one of the "changes" that can be confusing......I eh understand how you eh know dat......but then again, maybe I do.
Post by: Bakes on November 21, 2009, 02:18:52 PM
The rule of one not being offside once you're behind the plane of the ball has been in place for what seems like forever.....it ain't even one of the "changes" that can be confusing......I eh understand how you eh know dat......but then again, maybe I do.
Unlike some of us I doh pretend to know everything where football is concerned... and I eh go beat up mihself if I ent know de ins and outs of the offside rule. You on de other hand need tuh convince yuhself that yuh's ah big time football expert apparently, all the better to validate yuh existence... given what yuh professed expertise doing fuh yuh.
Post by: Mango Chow! on November 21, 2009, 03:34:08 PM
The rule of one not being offside once you're behind the plane of the ball has been in place for what seems like forever.....it ain't even one of the "changes" that can be confusing......I eh understand how you eh know dat......but then again, maybe I do.
Unlike some of us I doh pretend to know everything where football is concerned... and I eh go beat up mihself if I ent know de ins and outs of the offside rule. You on de other hand need tuh convince yuhself that yuh's ah big time football expert apparently, all the better to validate yuh existence... given what yuh professed expertise doing fuh yuh.
"..Like a dull knife, never cutting....some are talking loud and they're saying nothing.."
Boy, you so f**kin' phony it really is amusing. Ah like how yuh say, and I quote, "I doh pretend to know everything about football...." The way you does want to call out people and talk yuh shit "...announcers got it shockingly wrong...as did the officials" I would think you know that rule whether you know a penny or a pound of football and it really doesn't take the expert that you claim I claim I am to know that rule. It's a rule as basic as knowing that you can't be offside in your own half, c**thole. Truth is this: I recognize you is a phony from day one that I see yuh carryin on wit people on the forum and reading your last few posts on this thread alone confirms it to me, validated existence, professed expertise or not. So yuh could go on about what yuh feel about what I feel I know or what.....yuh still talkin a pack ah ass as far as I am concerned..yuh is still a jackass backside.
Post by: WestCoast on November 21, 2009, 03:36:44 PM
:devil:
Post by: Bakes on November 21, 2009, 03:45:18 PM
"..Like a dull knife, never cutting....some are talking loud and they're saying nothing.."
Boy, you so f**kin' phony it really is amusing. Ah like how yuh say, and I quote, "I doh pretend to know everything about football...." The way you does want to call out people and talk yuh shit "...announcers got it shockingly wrong...as did the officials" I would think you know that rule whether you know a penny or a pound of football and it really doesn't take the expert that you claim I claim I am to know that rule. It's a rule as basic as knowing that you can't be offside in your own half, c**thole. Truth is this: I recognize you is a phony from day one that I see yuh carryin on wit people on the forum and reading your last few posts on this thread alone confirms it to me, validated existence, professed expertise or not. So yuh could go on about what yuh feel about what I feel I know or what.....yuh still talkin a pack ah ass as far as I am concerned..yuh is still a jackass backside.
So I got the rule wrong... my you have a lot of pent up anger.
Post by: Mango Chow! on November 21, 2009, 03:59:01 PM
So I got the rule wrong... my you have a lot of pent up anger.
You got that wrong, too. Now you're confusing plain talk with anger.
Post by: Bakes on November 21, 2009, 04:03:28 PM
So I got the rule wrong... my you have a lot of pent up anger.
You got that wrong, too. Now you're confusing plain talk with anger.
Lol... if you say so fella.
Post by: elan on November 21, 2009, 04:51:03 PM
Post by: WestCoast on November 21, 2009, 06:56:41 PM
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Post by: FF on November 21, 2009, 07:16:39 PM
I thought it was offside too.really good game.
You probably juss caught the second half... it really turned around b/c the first half was pretty unwatchable. Early injuries took a toll on Liverpool and the game on the whole. Six mins were added.
Tevez paid early dividends for City once he came on for Barry. Stephen Ireland was offside on his goal that briefly put City up. The announcers got it shockingly wrong... as did the officials, unless my understanding of the offside rule is wrong. Wright-Phillips passed the ball to Ireland who was unmarked in the box... they claimed that the he was behind the ball, but I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. The rule is clear... at the time the pass is made you must either be in line with or behind the second to last defender... counting the GK. Here only Reina was ahead of him.
All that aside... Lucas, what a shitsnake. I doh really like bashing players but this dude has shown me nothing.
This have everything to do with it... you CANNOT be offside if you behind the ball full stop... i thought this was basic knowledge AND i thought we discuss this endless on this site
Post by: Mango Chow! on November 21, 2009, 07:21:42 PM
So I got the rule wrong... my you have a lot of pent up anger.
You got that wrong, too. Now you're confusing plain talk with anger.
Lol... if you say so fella.
Nah, Jackass, is not if I say so. It is so. lol! You cyah anger me. I jes' like to show yuh what a asshole yuh is.
Post by: elan on November 21, 2009, 07:41:57 PM
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by the way that is a CO-SIGN :D
ah addicted to this forum, cyah get enough.
Post by: Bakes on November 21, 2009, 09:18:00 PM
Nah, Jackass, is not if I say so. It is so. lol! You cyah anger me. I jes' like to show yuh what a asshole yuh is.
Yuh mean yuh just like to show what ah bleeding menopausal c**t yuh is... you cyah make me look like ah asshole no matter how hard yuh try... although yuh certainly live fuh de effort.
Post by: Bakes on November 21, 2009, 09:27:27 PM
This have everything to do with it... you CANNOT be offside if you behind the ball full stop... i thought this was basic knowledge AND i thought we discuss this endless on this site
If you had seen the highlight of the goal you would see why there was a question as to whether he was offside. Is not like SWP made a clear backpass to Ireland, it was very close at best... he looked to be in line with Wright-Phillips when the pass was made which is why I say me ent see what the focus on him being behind the ball had to do with anything. Me eh shame tuh admit that I fuhget all about that when I make de post.
Post by: Mango Chow! on November 21, 2009, 09:30:48 PM
Nah, Jackass, is not if I say so. It is so. lol! You cyah anger me. I jes' like to show yuh what a asshole yuh is.
Yuh mean yuh just like to show what ah bleeding menopausal c**t yuh is... you cyah make me look like ah asshole no matter how hard yuh try... although yuh certainly live fuh de effort.
I am not the one making you look like an asshole, sweetheart. You do a good enough job of that on your own. Here's another example of your self-contradicting, self projecting, educated stupidity....and it comes directly from your previous post: "....Me eh shame tuh admit that I wasn't focused on that part ah de rule when I make de post...." yeah....OK.........now you wasn't focused on that part of the rule..... after yuh was so bold as to declare that the announcers and officials got so "shockingly wrong" after google or Wikipedia tell yuh that:
"..The rule is clear... at the time the pass is made you must either be in line with or behind the second to last defender... counting the GK. Here only Reina was ahead of him..."
Next time yuh go and take a shit yuh must look dong at yuh reflection and talk to yuh self....yuh go see that the same ting does come out one ah yuh asshole, is de same does come out de other. But is so yuh mudder make yuh. Poor ting.
Post by: Bakes on November 21, 2009, 10:08:23 PM
I am not the one making you look like an asshole, sweetheart. You do a good enough job of that on your own. Here's another example of your self-contradicting, self projecting, educated stupidity....and it comes directly from your previous post: "....Me eh shame tuh admit that I wasn't focused on that part ah de rule when I make de post...." yeah....OK.........now you wasn't focused on that part of the rule..... after yuh was so bold as to declare that the announcers and officials got so "shockingly wrong" after google or Wikipedia tell yuh that:
"..The rule is clear... at the time the pass is made you must either be in line with or behind the second to last defender... counting the GK. Here only Reina was ahead of him..."
Next time yuh go and take a shit yuh must look dong at yuh reflection and talk to yuh self....yuh go see that the same ting does come out one ah yuh asshole, is de same does come out de other. But is so yuh mudder make yuh. Poor ting.
Yuh trying so hard til yuh mking up ting... ah could practically see de desperation on yuh face. Literally turning tuh 'toilet bowl humor'... but ah fisherman could only talk about fish so it shouldn't be no surprise I suppose. But keep trying hard... it actually entertaining tuh see.
Post by: Mango Chow! on November 22, 2009, 09:12:55 AM
I am not the one making you look like an asshole, sweetheart. You do a good enough job of that on your own. Here's another example of your self-contradicting, self projecting, educated stupidity....and it comes directly from your previous post: "....Me eh shame tuh admit that I wasn't focused on that part ah de rule when I make de post...." yeah....OK.........now you wasn't focused on that part of the rule..... after yuh was so bold as to declare that the announcers and officials got so "shockingly wrong" after google or Wikipedia tell yuh that:
"..The rule is clear... at the time the pass is made you must either be in line with or behind the second to last defender... counting the GK. Here only Reina was ahead of him..."
Next time yuh go and take a shit yuh must look dong at yuh reflection and talk to yuh self....yuh go see that the same ting does come out one ah yuh asshole, is de same does come out de other. But is so yuh mudder make yuh. Poor ting.
Yuh trying so hard til yuh mking up ting... ah could practically see de desperation on yuh face. Literally turning tuh 'toilet bowl humor'... but ah fisherman could only talk about fish so it shouldn't be no surprise I suppose. But keep trying hard... it actually entertaining tuh see.
Same shit, different hole.
Post by: WestCoast on November 22, 2009, 10:11:47 AM
Post by: elan on November 23, 2009, 09:02:18 PM
Benitez believes Liverpool can produce a miracle
Soccernet.com
Rafael Benitez insists Liverpool can amaze Europe again and make sure of unlikely Champions League qualification.
To stay in contention for a last 16 place, Liverpool need to beat Hungarian champions Debrecen in the Puskás Ferenc Stadion and hope Lyon do not lose away to Fiorentina in tomorrow's other Group E match.
And while Benitez acknowledges Liverpool face an uphill task, he believes anything is still possible.
"We have produced miracles before," he said. "We can do the same again. It will be difficult, maybe another miracle, but all we can do is our job. If we can then play against Fiorentina with options of winning and qualifying next week, that will be fantastic.
"Hopefully we can do it. Last time in this position, we managed to qualify and it was amazing. It will be the same if we do it again.
"We had to win our last three games two years ago in the group stages - now it is only two. We achieved success in a great way, scoring four against Porto, eight against Besiktas and four in Marseille. That was magnificent. This time, if we go through, it will be just the same feeling."
Liverpool expect to have Glen Johnson and Daniel Agger fit after calf and head injuries respectively, with skipper Steven Gerrard leading from the front in only his second start in more than a month.
Benitez said: "If anyone can do it, Gerrard can, but the whole team believe it is possible."
The Spaniard was in a confident mood for his pre-match press conference, where, once again, he was asked Liverpool's failure to qualify would mark the end of his Liverpool career. He laughed and responded: "No, I don't think so."
He was clearly more concerned about the improving fitness of his players, saying: "We have Johnson and Agger here because we believe they will be fit to play. It is very important for us to have players coming back from injury. They may not be ready but at least they are training and working with the team.
"Gerrard was tired at the end against Manchester City on Saturday. It had been a difficult game for him because he had not trained with the team for three weeks. He will be okay for tomorrow.
"For us, it is easy and simple. We have to score and win. We do not need to worry about what may happen in the future. We must not worry about what is happening in Florence - we have to concentrate on doing our own job and winning the match."
And Benitez again dismissed the conspiracy theory that Lyon will let Fiorentina win to make sure that Liverpool are eliminated.
"It is an advantage to qualify in first place, so Lyon will want to do that," he said. "They are good professionals and want to win. It will be good for the club and give them more money, too, they will want to be top because you never know what the draw will throw at them.
"It will be good for the Lyon coach and his players to want to be top. I have confidence that they will try to do that."
Post by: Bakes on November 23, 2009, 09:47:25 PM
Post by: xixgon on November 24, 2009, 03:36:21 AM
Post by: sammy on November 24, 2009, 04:43:23 AM
Post by: sammy on November 24, 2009, 04:36:45 PM
hard luck dey livers ::)
Post by: Daft Trini on November 24, 2009, 05:04:05 PM
Post by: boss on November 24, 2009, 05:15:03 PM
Post by: Bakes on November 24, 2009, 05:23:04 PM
Post by: capodetutticapi on November 24, 2009, 08:11:38 PM
Such is sports... you win some, you lose some.a bitter pill at times
Post by: 100% Barataria on November 24, 2009, 08:29:49 PM
Post by: elan on November 24, 2009, 09:59:07 PM
Post by: sammy on November 25, 2009, 04:31:09 AM
shit side is shit side:heehee:
Post by: Daft Trini on November 25, 2009, 06:42:23 AM
Post by: superoli on November 25, 2009, 06:59:44 AM
Post by: Tenorsaw on November 25, 2009, 08:26:49 AM
Stevie G toots he self.... He better look out Carrick looking good...
Carrick had one good game all season, and yuh tooting he horn. Go and watch some more football. Yuh should know that Stevie G is playing with an injury that probably will require surgery, but due to the already long injury list, he is sucking it up for the sake of the team.
Post by: xixgon on November 25, 2009, 08:42:45 AM
Stevie G toots he self.... He better look out Carrick looking good...
Carrick had one good game all season, and yuh tooting he horn. Go and watch some more football. Yuh should know that Stevie G is playing with an injury that probably will require surgery, but due to the already long injury list, he is sucking it up for the sake of the team.
Haha Gerrard and Torres are jus injury-prone players yes - which makes Benitez's purchase of Aquilani that much more puzzling. That said - once Gerrard is healthy - Carrick is not a threat to his starting spot (unless Gerrard is quite off-form and Carrick returns to his best).
Gerrard hasn't lit it up for Liverpool, for whatever reason, but they should be happy he's contributing at all - seeing as in my opinion he should be in trouble with the law like Marlon King.
But anyways Liverpool - at least now you can all walk together to your consolation party :)
http://www.lfc-endofseasonparty.com/
Post by: Mango Chow! on November 25, 2009, 09:10:20 AM
Stevie G toots he self.... He better look out Carrick looking good...
Carrick had one good game all season, and yuh tooting he horn. Go and watch some more football. Yuh should know that Stevie G is playing with an injury that probably will require surgery, but due to the already long injury list, he is sucking it up for the sake of the team.
Haha Gerrard and Torres are jus injury-prone players yes - which makes Benitez's purchase of Aquilani that much more puzzling. That said - once Gerrard is healthy - Carrick is not a threat to his starting spot (unless Gerrard is quite off-form and Carrick returns to his best).
Gerrard hasn't lit it up for Liverpool, for whatever reason, but they should be happy he's contributing at all - seeing as in my opinion he should be in trouble with the law like Marlon King.
But anyways Liverpool - at least now you can all walk together to your consolation party :)
http://www.lfc-endofseasonparty.com/
....see why people doesn't like allyuh manboo fans? No kinda compassion in allyuh body at all. Leave de men and dem, let dem grieve wit dey big side in peace nuh! ;D
Post by: xixgon on November 25, 2009, 09:53:53 AM
Stevie G toots he self.... He better look out Carrick looking good...
Carrick had one good game all season, and yuh tooting he horn. Go and watch some more football. Yuh should know that Stevie G is playing with an injury that probably will require surgery, but due to the already long injury list, he is sucking it up for the sake of the team.
Haha Gerrard and Torres are jus injury-prone players yes - which makes Benitez's purchase of Aquilani that much more puzzling. That said - once Gerrard is healthy - Carrick is not a threat to his starting spot (unless Gerrard is quite off-form and Carrick returns to his best).
Gerrard hasn't lit it up for Liverpool, for whatever reason, but they should be happy he's contributing at all - seeing as in my opinion he should be in trouble with the law like Marlon King.
But anyways Liverpool - at least now you can all walk together to your consolation party :)
http://www.lfc-endofseasonparty.com/
....see why people doesn't like allyuh manboo fans? No kinda compassion in allyuh body at all. Leave de men and dem, let dem grieve wit dey big side in peace nuh! ;D
Haha is all kix dred.
Nuttin wrong wit a lil banter, everyone gets their turn at some point yes so.
Post by: Mango Chow! on November 25, 2009, 10:07:21 AM
Stevie G toots he self.... He better look out Carrick looking good...
Carrick had one good game all season, and yuh tooting he horn. Go and watch some more football. Yuh should know that Stevie G is playing with an injury that probably will require surgery, but due to the already long injury list, he is sucking it up for the sake of the team.
Haha Gerrard and Torres are jus injury-prone players yes - which makes Benitez's purchase of Aquilani that much more puzzling. That said - once Gerrard is healthy - Carrick is not a threat to his starting spot (unless Gerrard is quite off-form and Carrick returns to his best).
Gerrard hasn't lit it up for Liverpool, for whatever reason, but they should be happy he's contributing at all - seeing as in my opinion he should be in trouble with the law like Marlon King.
But anyways Liverpool - at least now you can all walk together to your consolation party :)
http://www.lfc-endofseasonparty.com/
....see why people doesn't like allyuh manboo fans? No kinda compassion in allyuh body at all. Leave de men and dem, let dem grieve wit dey big side in peace nuh! ;D
Haha is all kix dred.
Nuttin wrong wit a lil banter, everyone gets their turn at some point yes so.
......and yuh could rest ASSURED that me and meh MUHAHA crew cyah WAIT fuh allyuh turn to come! ;D
Post by: xixgon on November 25, 2009, 12:30:16 PM
Stevie G toots he self.... He better look out Carrick looking good...
Carrick had one good game all season, and yuh tooting he horn. Go and watch some more football. Yuh should know that Stevie G is playing with an injury that probably will require surgery, but due to the already long injury list, he is sucking it up for the sake of the team.
Haha Gerrard and Torres are jus injury-prone players yes - which makes Benitez's purchase of Aquilani that much more puzzling. That said - once Gerrard is healthy - Carrick is not a threat to his starting spot (unless Gerrard is quite off-form and Carrick returns to his best).
Gerrard hasn't lit it up for Liverpool, for whatever reason, but they should be happy he's contributing at all - seeing as in my opinion he should be in trouble with the law like Marlon King.
But anyways Liverpool - at least now you can all walk together to your consolation party :)
http://www.lfc-endofseasonparty.com/
....see why people doesn't like allyuh manboo fans? No kinda compassion in allyuh body at all. Leave de men and dem, let dem grieve wit dey big side in peace nuh! ;D
Haha is all kix dred.
Nuttin wrong wit a lil banter, everyone gets their turn at some point yes so.
......and yuh could rest ASSURED that me and meh MUHAHA crew cyah WAIT fuh allyuh turn to come! ;D
Haha fair enough. I only take talk from fans a teams da doin better dan mine doh :)
Post by: WestCoast on November 25, 2009, 05:22:48 PM
hear nuhStevie G toots he self.... He better look out Carrick looking good...
Carrick had one good game all season, and yuh tooting he horn. Go and watch some more football. Yuh should know that Stevie G is playing with an injury that probably will require surgery, but due to the already long injury list, he is sucking it up for the sake of the team.
Haha Gerrard and Torres are jus injury-prone players yes - which makes Benitez's purchase of Aquilani that much more puzzling. That said - once Gerrard is healthy - Carrick is not a threat to his starting spot (unless Gerrard is quite off-form and Carrick returns to his best).
Gerrard hasn't lit it up for Liverpool, for whatever reason, but they should be happy he's contributing at all - seeing as in my opinion he should be in trouble with the law like Marlon King.
But anyways Liverpool - at least now you can all walk together to your consolation party :)
http://www.lfc-endofseasonparty.com/
....see why people doesn't like allyuh manboo fans? No kinda compassion in allyuh body at all. Leave de men and dem, let dem grieve wit dey big side in peace nuh! ;D
Haha is all kix dred.
Nuttin wrong wit a lil banter, everyone gets their turn at some point yes so.
......and yuh could rest ASSURED that me and meh MUHAHA crew cyah WAIT fuh allyuh turn to come! ;D
I doh kno if he know who we are eh
MUHAHA
The "Manchester United Haters Association of Home and Away"
:rotfl: :rotfl:
Post by: Mango Chow! on November 25, 2009, 06:12:02 PM
hear nuhStevie G toots he self.... He better look out Carrick looking good...
Carrick had one good game all season, and yuh tooting he horn. Go and watch some more football. Yuh should know that Stevie G is playing with an injury that probably will require surgery, but due to the already long injury list, he is sucking it up for the sake of the team.
Haha Gerrard and Torres are jus injury-prone players yes - which makes Benitez's purchase of Aquilani that much more puzzling. That said - once Gerrard is healthy - Carrick is not a threat to his starting spot (unless Gerrard is quite off-form and Carrick returns to his best).
Gerrard hasn't lit it up for Liverpool, for whatever reason, but they should be happy he's contributing at all - seeing as in my opinion he should be in trouble with the law like Marlon King.
But anyways Liverpool - at least now you can all walk together to your consolation party :)
http://www.lfc-endofseasonparty.com/
....see why people doesn't like allyuh manboo fans? No kinda compassion in allyuh body at all. Leave de men and dem, let dem grieve wit dey big side in peace nuh! ;D
Haha is all kix dred.
Nuttin wrong wit a lil banter, everyone gets their turn at some point yes so.
......and yuh could rest ASSURED that me and meh MUHAHA crew cyah WAIT fuh allyuh turn to come! ;D
I doh kno if he know who we are eh
MUHAHA
The "Manchester United Haters Association of Home and Away"
:rotfl: :rotfl:
WestCoast boy, I'm sure if he doh know......he soon find out! Wait.....ent dey get dey ass wash today?
Post by: WestCoast on November 25, 2009, 06:16:50 PM
MUHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!hear nuhStevie G toots he self.... He better look out Carrick looking good...
Carrick had one good game all season, and yuh tooting he horn. Go and watch some more football. Yuh should know that Stevie G is playing with an injury that probably will require surgery, but due to the already long injury list, he is sucking it up for the sake of the team.
Haha Gerrard and Torres are jus injury-prone players yes - which makes Benitez's purchase of Aquilani that much more puzzling. That said - once Gerrard is healthy - Carrick is not a threat to his starting spot (unless Gerrard is quite off-form and Carrick returns to his best).
Gerrard hasn't lit it up for Liverpool, for whatever reason, but they should be happy he's contributing at all - seeing as in my opinion he should be in trouble with the law like Marlon King.
But anyways Liverpool - at least now you can all walk together to your consolation party :)
http://www.lfc-endofseasonparty.com/
....see why people doesn't like allyuh manboo fans? No kinda compassion in allyuh body at all. Leave de men and dem, let dem grieve wit dey big side in peace nuh! ;D
Haha is all kix dred.
Nuttin wrong wit a lil banter, everyone gets their turn at some point yes so.
......and yuh could rest ASSURED that me and meh MUHAHA crew cyah WAIT fuh allyuh turn to come! ;D
I doh kno if he know who we are eh
MUHAHA
The "Manchester United Haters Association of Home and Away"
:rotfl: :rotfl:
WestCoast boy, I'm sure if he doh know......he soon find out! Wait.....ent dey get dey ass wash today?
Besiktas buss day skin :devil:
dis de bess I could do on such short notice ;D
http://www.youtube.com/v/QUyoLPyPfEQ
Post by: Mango Chow! on November 25, 2009, 07:08:59 PM
MUHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!hear nuhStevie G toots he self.... He better look out Carrick looking good...
Carrick had one good game all season, and yuh tooting he horn. Go and watch some more football. Yuh should know that Stevie G is playing with an injury that probably will require surgery, but due to the already long injury list, he is sucking it up for the sake of the team.
Haha Gerrard and Torres are jus injury-prone players yes - which makes Benitez's purchase of Aquilani that much more puzzling. That said - once Gerrard is healthy - Carrick is not a threat to his starting spot (unless Gerrard is quite off-form and Carrick returns to his best).
Gerrard hasn't lit it up for Liverpool, for whatever reason, but they should be happy he's contributing at all - seeing as in my opinion he should be in trouble with the law like Marlon King.
But anyways Liverpool - at least now you can all walk together to your consolation party :)
http://www.lfc-endofseasonparty.com/
....see why people doesn't like allyuh manboo fans? No kinda compassion in allyuh body at all. Leave de men and dem, let dem grieve wit dey big side in peace nuh! ;D
Haha is all kix dred.
Nuttin wrong wit a lil banter, everyone gets their turn at some point yes so.
......and yuh could rest ASSURED that me and meh MUHAHA crew cyah WAIT fuh allyuh turn to come! ;D
I doh kno if he know who we are eh
MUHAHA
The "Manchester United Haters Association of Home and Away"
:rotfl: :rotfl:
WestCoast boy, I'm sure if he doh know......he soon find out! Wait.....ent dey get dey ass wash today?
Besiktas buss day skin :devil:
dis de bess I could do on such short notice ;D
http://www.youtube.com/v/QUyoLPyPfEQ
We better move dis shit off de liverpool people dem tread eh! It done have one or two ah dey fans want to buss meh head arready. :devil:
Post by: xixgon on November 26, 2009, 10:31:43 AM
MUHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!hear nuhStevie G toots he self.... He better look out Carrick looking good...
Carrick had one good game all season, and yuh tooting he horn. Go and watch some more football. Yuh should know that Stevie G is playing with an injury that probably will require surgery, but due to the already long injury list, he is sucking it up for the sake of the team.
Haha Gerrard and Torres are jus injury-prone players yes - which makes Benitez's purchase of Aquilani that much more puzzling. That said - once Gerrard is healthy - Carrick is not a threat to his starting spot (unless Gerrard is quite off-form and Carrick returns to his best).
Gerrard hasn't lit it up for Liverpool, for whatever reason, but they should be happy he's contributing at all - seeing as in my opinion he should be in trouble with the law like Marlon King.
But anyways Liverpool - at least now you can all walk together to your consolation party :)
http://www.lfc-endofseasonparty.com/
....see why people doesn't like allyuh manboo fans? No kinda compassion in allyuh body at all. Leave de men and dem, let dem grieve wit dey big side in peace nuh! ;D
Haha is all kix dred.
Nuttin wrong wit a lil banter, everyone gets their turn at some point yes so.
......and yuh could rest ASSURED that me and meh MUHAHA crew cyah WAIT fuh allyuh turn to come! ;D
I doh kno if he know who we are eh
MUHAHA
The "Manchester United Haters Association of Home and Away"
:rotfl: :rotfl:
WestCoast boy, I'm sure if he doh know......he soon find out! Wait.....ent dey get dey ass wash today?
Besiktas buss day skin :devil:
dis de bess I could do on such short notice ;D
http://www.youtube.com/v/QUyoLPyPfEQ
We better move dis shit off de liverpool people dem tread eh! It done have one or two ah dey fans want to buss meh head arready. :devil:
Haha is all good, considerin we done qualified an need a pt for top spot.
Wud admit doh, das one a d worst Utd performances I ever seen yes.
But yeh I hear yuh on vacatin dis thread, iz never end well between Utd an 'Pool fans na (ok any fans haha).
Post by: elan on November 29, 2009, 12:59:22 PM
Reds complete smash and grab raid
Soccernet.com
Liverpool produced a smash and grab Merseyside derby victory to claim fifth place in the Premier League on a day of raw tension at Goodison Park.
But they will have sighed with relief after being pounded for almost all of this very local showdown, but somehow emerged with the points. An own goal from Joseph Yobo, deflecting a Javier Mascherano effort past Tim Howard saw Liverpool ahead at the break despite being almost permanently on the back foot as Everton poured forward.
But their eighth win in their last ten visits to Goodison Park was secured with ten minutes to go when Dirk Kuyt scored from close range after another Yobo error.
Everton were the dominant force, but could not turn their pressure into goals, with Liverpool now having lost just two of their last 20 league games against the old enemy.
Rarely can a Merseyside derby have been played out with both rival managers - David Moyes and Rafael Benitez -having had to handle questions over their longevity in their jobs.
The 212th clash between these bitterest of rivals certainly held the immediate futures of both seriously under-achieving clubs. Everton, fighting to get away from the relegation zone and Liverpool desperate to put their distressing season back on track.
Everton made four changes from the side that lost so poorly at Hull in midweek, Tony Hibbert, Jo, Marouane Fellaini and Diniyar Bilyaletdinov all returning with youngster Jack Rodwell the most notable omission with a groin injury. Liverpool fielded the side that had won in Hungary against Debrecen, but could not save the Reds' Champions League lives.
And again there was no Fernando Torres in the squad, leaving young striker David Ngog to continue his Premier League education in the unforgiving glare of a derby battlefield.
With so much at stake, the opening exchanges were even more ferocious than usual. Mascherano and Tim Cahill traded kicks and warnings from referee Alan Wiley, with Cahill finding himself dumped on the track by the Argentina captain.
But it was Mascherano who was soon celebrating, having had a major part in Liverpool's 12th-minute lead. Everton criminally allowed the midfielder to advance towards their box, where he lashed in a 20-yarder that deflected off Yobo and into the opposite corner than had been intended with Howard hopelessly wrongfooted.
It was the lead Liverpool had craved, but one that ignited a fierce and sustained response from Everton. Twice they had the ball in the net before the break, but two efforts by Jo were ruled out for offside, the second when Fellaini blocked Jose Reina right on the line. But there were other chances for Everton, with Bilyaletdinov managing to mis-hit wide from six yards when it would have been easier to score.
Reina saved from the Russian winger, while the excellent Steven Pienaar was twice close as Everton surged forward in search of an equaliser they fully deserved.
Liverpool were barely noticeable up front, although Kuyt fired over and Howard made a fine save from Emiliano Insua's close-range header. But they were rare excursions into enemy territory for Liverpool in a one-sided first-half.
Everton came out after the break intent on more of the same. They hurled themselves at Liverpool's creaking defence in which Jamie Carragher and Daniel Agger were working overtime to keep the blue waves at bay.
Liverpool were hanging on under the most searching of examinations. Saha replaced Jo after 66 minutes, still Everton rolling relentlessly forward. Yobo managed to deflect an Ngog effort wide, but that was a rare venture out by Liverpool.
Reina produced a stunning double-save from Cahill and then Fellaini, Liverpool penned back and defending with increasing desperation.
In all of this, Steven Gerrard was a peripheral figure. Clearly short of pace and movement he was unable to influence what was going on all around him, until taking a hand in the critical second goal.
Ngog was finally withdrawn with 15 minutes to go, Yossi Benayoun arriving to play on the right with Kuyt taking the central attacking role. Albert Riera was next into the fray, in place of Fabio Aurelio, somehow Liverpool still ahead.
But with ten minutes left, all Everton's brave efforts came to nothing as Liverpool dealt them a sickening blow.
Reina's long clearance was headed down by Kuyt with Yobo slashing wildly at the ball. It fell to Gerrard who set up Riera for a shot that Howard pushed into the path of Kuyt, who stabbed home the second.
Ayegbeni Yakubu came off for Cahill, and Lucas Neill for a crestfallen Yobo. But it was all over for Everton, who will never know how they lost this one.
Post by: boss on November 29, 2009, 01:12:52 PM
Alyuh forget alyuh play this morning or what?
No, I didn't forget, but quite frankly it was a mediocre performance, and we only won because of the sheer brilliance of our goalkeeper, and the eyes of a
I'm pleased we got the three points, and I hope this kick starts a good run. It's more of a :) reaction than a ;D :applause: :challenge: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: reaction
Post by: Observer on November 29, 2009, 04:47:37 PM
Post by: Feliziano on December 01, 2009, 09:05:00 PM
we is ah certainty for 3rd place
plus we winning the Europa league ;D
Post by: elan on December 05, 2009, 12:33:22 PM
alright ah back
we is ah certainty for3rdto place
plus we winning the Europa league ;D
::) ::)
How this thread on the 2nd page and game on this morning?
Post by: elan on December 09, 2009, 03:35:00 PM
Post by: Bakes on December 09, 2009, 04:26:01 PM
Liverpool had nothing to lose and nothing to gain from this match... so playing it safe and strategically by blooding some players was the preferred route for Rafa.
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on December 09, 2009, 06:02:13 PM
Post by: Bitter on December 16, 2009, 09:38:54 PM
Post by: Bakes on December 16, 2009, 11:26:16 PM
I jus take in the highlights of liverpool-wigan. Scotty miss a golden opportunity to open the account. Wigan lose 2-1.
I eh go lie... ah like that Wigan team. No amount of depth or real quality yet but Martinez have dem pointing in de right direction... and I particularly like his loyalty to Scotty.
Post by: WestCoast on December 19, 2009, 08:42:22 AM
who day geh beat by??
Pottymouth??
:D
Post by: capodetutticapi on December 19, 2009, 11:23:06 AM
Post by: fari on December 19, 2009, 11:27:05 AM
Post by: Bakes on December 19, 2009, 03:31:08 PM
portsmouth going to give any side problems at home...they are desperate to avoid relegation...to be fair to liverpool when mascherano went off it made the job a little bit harder.
Yep... we in a mess.
Not only that but all kinda teams pulling wondergoals out dey ass on we. First Cameron Jerome at Brum... now dis muslim fella Elhadj or whatever he name is. Man put dat ball into ah bucket pretty much.... dat window was so small.
The Mascherano sending off was straight bullshit. If yuh want to call it a yellow card tackle den fine... but straight red on a mis-timed tackle?? And to make it worse de tun tun head actually consulted with the 4th official for like two mins (while Mascherano lay hurt) before deciding to send him off. I was stunned, as was the rest of the team, I'm sure.
Post by: Tenorsaw on December 29, 2009, 03:47:18 PM
Post by: Bitter on December 29, 2009, 03:51:12 PM
Post by: Bakes on December 29, 2009, 06:02:59 PM
Nice finish by Torres, after being out of the game and generally having a bad night. Don't know what 'Pool would do without this fella.
'Tis the season to be jolly... why contemplate such negative thoughts ;D
Well whatever we get I'll take it, ugly or not. We still within 12 pts of Chelsea and we're only at the halfway mark. With Chelsea hitting an uncertain patch and several of their stars being away for African Cup duties... now is the time to make some hay. Although United and several other clubs still ahead of us.
Post by: Tenorsaw on December 29, 2009, 07:45:33 PM
Nice finish by Torres, after being out of the game and generally having a bad night. Don't know what 'Pool would do without this fella.
'Tis the season to be jolly... why contemplate such negative thoughts ;D
Well whatever we get I'll take it, ugly or not. We still within 12 pts of Chelsea and we're only at the halfway mark. With Chelsea hitting an uncertain patch and several of their stars being away for African Cup duties... now is the time to make some hay. Although United and several other clubs still ahead of us.
We lacking the natural width that Riera was providing us last season. Rafa needs to sell and buy in January. Babel wants to go and he should be allowed, along with Dossena, Voronin, and Degen.
Post by: Bakes on December 30, 2009, 12:40:55 PM
We lacking the natural width that Riera was providing us last season. Rafa needs to sell and buy in January. Babel wants to go and he should be allowed, along with Dossena, Voronin, and Degen.
We lacking a lot of things... including depth at just about every position. I like and I like Voronin, but even me at this point have to say that it might be time for them to ply dey trade elsewhere, because they certainly not producing for us. Supposedly Rafa want to bring in RvN on loan from Madrid, but balking at paying the £3 million asking price... especially for a striker who just turned 33. The one good thing in his favor is that he's scored goals wherever he's been... and we desperately in need of some help for Torres.
Post by: Tenorsaw on December 30, 2009, 02:12:21 PM
We lacking the natural width that Riera was providing us last season. Rafa needs to sell and buy in January. Babel wants to go and he should be allowed, along with Dossena, Voronin, and Degen.
We lacking a lot of things... including depth at just about every position. I like and I like Voronin, but even me at this point have to say that it might be time for them to ply dey trade elsewhere, because they certainly not producing for us. Supposedly Rafa want to bring in RvN on loan from Madrid, but balking at paying the £3 million asking price... especially for a striker who just turned 33. The one good thing in his favor is that he's scored goals wherever he's been... and we desperately in need of some help for Torres.
Plus Real want 'Pool to pay all of his 100 GBP wages per week.
Post by: Bakes on December 30, 2009, 02:28:31 PM
Plus Real want 'Pool to pay all of his 100 GBP wages per week.
100 quid ah week?? That sound like ah steal ;D
I also meant to say that "I like BABEL and I like Voronin"... but time for dem tuh bounce.
But yeah... Madrid have a surplus of stars (as usual) and trying to pawn off as much of that debt as possible. 'Pool right to call dey bluff... dem need financial relief more than we need RvN services, it have other strikers out there.
Post by: dinho on January 10, 2010, 01:06:22 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/laliga/story/Alonso-Reds-Barry-pursuit-forced-exit (http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/laliga/story/Alonso-Reds-Barry-pursuit-forced-exit)
Alonso exited Liverpool in 2009 and joined Real Madrid in a deal worth around £30million.
Many Reds fans were unhappy to lose him, but Alonso admits his mind was made up 12 months earlier when Liverpool boss Rafa Benitez tried to sign Aston Villa's Barry.
The Barry deal failed to materialise, with the England international later joining Manchester City, but Alonso felt he was not wanted by Benitez from that point.
"The pursuit of Gareth Barry took some time for me to accept and, in all honesty, it changed the course of my future," Alonso told The People.
"I did get over it but it did take time for me to accept what had happened to me.
"Leaving Liverpool was one of the hardest decisions of my life, but after what happened with Barry I knew in my heart I had to tell Rafa that I wanted to go to Madrid when they came knocking at the door.
"I was still fairly young when I joined Liverpool and I had not only grown into the player I'd become there, but also the man I'd become."
Liverpool's form has dipped this season and many put this down to Alonso's departure - but he does not think that there is a major problem at Anfield.
"People talk about this Liverpool team but it is more or less the same one that was challenging for the title last season," he said.
"Liverpool have been very unfortunate with injuries this season, but they have started to put wins together again and I am sure they will secure a top-four place.
"When you have bad results it is not always easy to get back to winning ways, but they have managed to do that and now it is time for them to look upwards.
"They have a great squad and finishing in the top four is a must for them. I think it is something they will achieve.
"I would not offer advice to any of the players because they don't need me to tell them what to do, but I do offer them my friendship."
Alonso still has a special bond with Anfield and said: "I still see and speak with all the Spanish boys at Liverpool, but I also speak with others there. I am in regular contact with Stevie Gerrard and Jamie Carragher. I spent a lot of time at Liverpool and in those two I have made friends for life."
Alonso insists there is no bad blood between him and Benitez.
"There is no questioning that he is a good manager who can still bring success for Liverpool," he said.
"He doesn't operate the same way to a lot of other managers, but you can't deny that he is successful in what he does. He keeps his distance emotionally - you are the player and he is the manager and that's the way he likes it. You have to accept that.
"I will always respect Rafa for what he has done in football but, more importantly, I will always be massively grateful to him for the chance he gave me to join Liverpool.
"The club gave me so much and I made some great friends - and the Liverpool fans are beyond excellent.
"It was such a hard decision for me but I knew in my heart it was the right time to leave.
"It will always be a special place for me, and when I can I will always go back and watch the team and see my old friends."
Post by: Bakes on January 10, 2010, 04:51:57 PM
Post by: elan on January 11, 2010, 11:21:49 AM
Hicks Jnr falls on his sword after email tirade
By Soccernet staff
January 11, 2010
Tom Hicks Jnr has been forced to resign from the board of Liverpool after an amazing email attack on a supporter.
Stephen Horner wrote to Hicks Jnr to express his concerns over the lack of transfer funds for boss Rafael Benitez. First, Horner was branded an "idiot". Then a second response from Hicks jnr said: "Blow me, ****face. Go to hell. I'm sick of you."
In a statement on their official website read: "Liverpool Football Club today announce that Thomas Hicks Jr has resigned as a director of both the club and its parent company Kop Holdings.
"Three new directors have been elected to the boards of both companies. These are Philip Nash, LFC Chief Financial Officer; Ian Ayre, LFC Commercial Director; and Casey Coffman, Executive Vice President of Hicks Holdings."
Fans' organisation The Spirit of Shankly (SoS) had already called for Hicks jnr to resign.
An SoS statement read: "Spirit of Shankly welcomes the resignation of Tom Hicks Junior from the Board of Liverpool FC and its parent company. This Club has standards - on the field, off the field, on the terraces and in the Boardroom.
"The standards we have seen exercised in the Boardroom have been unbefitting of this great Club since Hicks Junior, his father, George Gillett and other associates arrived at the Club, with false promises.
"Tom Hicks and George Gillett bought the club and talked of respecting the legacy and tradition, as well as family values, the club being passed onto their children. If these are the kind of values they see fit for Liverpool Football Club, and this is how they respect our legacies and traditions, it underlines the need to remove them from the club.
"The action taken by the Union [SoS] to publicise and seek Tom Hicks Junior's removal is another part of us saying "If you won't recognise our standards then we will remind you again and again until you do".
"The action taken here by the Union and fans shows that we do have some power and influence. All that is needed now is for Dad, Uncle George and the rest of the entourage to follow. Tom and George you're still "Not Welcome"."
Hicks Jnr has offered his apologies to the fan over the foul-mouthed tirade. He said: "I have great respect for Liverpool Football Club, especially the club's supporters. I apologise for my mistake and I am very sorry for my harmful words.
"I do not want my actions to take away from the club's future, therefore I am resigning from the board. To the fans and to the club, please accept my sincerest apologies.''
Tom Hicks Snr and George Gillett have been the subject of the Liverpool fans ire for most of their time in control of the club since taking over in 2007. The actions of Hicks Jnr are hardly likely to help.
Added to that, Benitez admitted on Sunday that he could be forced to sell star striker Fernando Torres in the summer should the club fail to make it back into the Champions League. That could be the final straw for many supporters, angry over the way the club has been run and the level of debt Hicks and Gillett have piled onto the books.
Purslow, Nash and Ayre have played increasingly important roles in the last few months as they work towards putting the club on a healthier financial footing.
That has already led to the signing of a new shirt sponsorship deal with Standard Chartered Bank worth around £80 million.
One of Purslow's priorities since taking over from Rick Parry in June last year has been to find new investment in the club as they seek to get the funding in place to build a new stadium.
Hicks Jr had no real input into decision-making at the club on a daily basis and so his departure will not affect on-going plans.
Post by: boss on January 13, 2010, 09:34:14 AM
;D
Maxi takes taxi to Anfield
Argentina winger in Liverpool for medical
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Argentina winger Maxi Rodriguez has arrived in Liverpool ahead of completing his proposed switch to Anfield.
The 29-year-old Atletico Madrid player is set to undergo a medical before signing an 18-month contract in a £1.5million switch.
He will then watch his new team-mates in action in Wednesday night's FA Cup third round replay against Reading at Anfield before returning to Spain to tie up the final details of his departure.
Rodriguez, who is a close friend and international team-mate of Reds midfielder Javier Mascherano, still has to agree his pay-off from Atletico.
Hoped
But it is hoped he could be back in England by the weekend to figure in Liverpool's trip to Stoke on Saturday.
Liverpool boss Rafa Benitez had hoped the deal could have been completed last week, but the former Newell's Old Boys and Espanyol player was unable to finalise the details of his departure.
His impending arrival comes after Andrea Dossena left the Reds for Napoli, while Andriy Voronin moved to Dinamo Moscow.
These deals brought in funds totalling £6.5million, and Ryan Babel's name could soon be added to the list of departures now Benitez has been assured that he can have the potential £10million fee to strengthen his squad during this transfer window.
Benitez had previously been told to wait until the summer before spending on new additions.
Post by: kicker on January 13, 2010, 09:58:12 AM
Post by: Bakes on January 13, 2010, 10:59:14 AM
Maxi is a good addition to that squad- solid, consistent player who can chip in on the goals. Very unassuming and "un-flashy" but reliable up and down the pitch. Only doubt is that he's had some injuries of late- Also didn't realize he was already 29.
Some question marks with Maxi... but agreed, he's a top-class addition. I kinda sad to see Voronin go though, I know he never really shine for us but that man was a hard worker. Wish him luck in Moscow. Dossena also put in a tireless shift whenever he was on the pitch, but sometimes things just don't work out at a club.
Post by: Tenorsaw on January 13, 2010, 11:49:30 AM
Maxi is a good addition to that squad- solid, consistent player who can chip in on the goals. Very unassuming and "un-flashy" but reliable up and down the pitch. Only doubt is that he's had some injuries of late- Also didn't realize he was already 29.
Some question marks with Maxi... but agreed, he's a top-class addition. I kinda sad to see Voronin go though, I know he never really shine for us but that man was a hard worker. Wish him luck in Moscow. Dossena also put in a tireless shift whenever he was on the pitch, but sometimes things just don't work out at a club.
I don't think that Dossena adjusted to the pace of the EPL. Sometimes, you just don't make the adjustment, other times, you do.
Post by: dinho on January 13, 2010, 04:32:44 PM
Post by: elan on January 13, 2010, 04:45:21 PM
Soccernet.com
New Liverpool signing Maxi Rodriguez watched from the stands as Liverpool were sent tumbling out of the FA Cup with a 2-1 extra-time defeat to Reading at Anfield. And it was even worse for Rafael Benitez as both Fernando Torres and Steven Gerrard went off injured.
Post by: boss on January 14, 2010, 09:19:28 AM
I can't find any positives. :(
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on January 14, 2010, 09:30:55 AM
Torres needs surgery 6 weeks out. Gerrard 2 weeks out. Benayoun 3-4 weeks out.
I can't find any positives. :(
now read this
Wowzers
Spurs,Villa and City must be celebrating
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on January 14, 2010, 04:25:30 PM
Torres needs surgery 6 weeks out. Gerrard 2 weeks out. Benayoun 3-4 weeks out.
I can't find any positives. :(
Liverpuddle totally @#$%ed now! Without Torres dey have trouble scoring, without Gerrard they cant even think about controlling midfield. And without Benayoun it eh ha nobody who could give instant spark for as long as they on the pitch. Bye bye from big 4!
Post by: Bitter on February 06, 2010, 07:25:12 AM
The ref loss the plot in this game. Men pelting in tackle like they felling trees.
Stright red for Kyrgiakos for a rediculous challenge on Fellaini, who manage to step on the man ankle same time. but get away with it.
So 10 vs 11
Post by: Bitter on February 06, 2010, 07:29:21 AM
Carragher
Kuyt
Pienaar
Post by: Bitter on February 06, 2010, 08:03:27 AM
Post by: ZionYouth on February 06, 2010, 09:27:03 PM
Post by: elan on February 21, 2010, 11:28:30 AM
This team still in the EPL?
Post by: boss on February 21, 2010, 11:34:04 AM
Quote
This team still in the EPL?
Man City are unbeaten at home in League, and have won at home in games against Chelsea, Arsenal (twice) and United.
0-0 is a good result. But I have to admit that was a terrible, horrible match.
Good to have Torres fit again :beermug:
Post by: elan on February 21, 2010, 12:14:05 PM
QuoteThis team still in the EPL?
Man City are unbeaten at home in League, and have won at home in games against Chelsea, Arsenal (twice) and United.
0-0 is a good result. But I have to admit that was a terrible, horrible match.
Good to have Torres fit again :beermug:
Because the ref eh give that PK where whatever he name is push down Ade.
Post by: Mango Chow! on February 21, 2010, 02:49:05 PM
ABANDON SHIP!!!!!!! :devil:
This team still in the EPL?
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Post by: jai john on February 21, 2010, 04:09:03 PM
Post by: Observer on February 21, 2010, 05:09:29 PM
No disrespect intended!
Post by: jai john on February 21, 2010, 07:15:30 PM
i find it difficult to watch Liverpool play. I really cannot appreciate the football they play.
No disrespect intended!
nah ..your problem is that you watching too much la liga :beermug:
Post by: Observer on February 22, 2010, 08:03:24 AM
i find it difficult to watch Liverpool play. I really cannot appreciate the football they play.
No disrespect intended!
nah ..your problem is that you watching too much la liga :beermug:
:beermug: ;D
Post by: Feliziano on February 27, 2010, 04:58:24 PM
I back and Torres back
We back in business now ;D
we targeting 3rd place too :D
Post by: Tenorsaw on February 27, 2010, 09:25:41 PM
Post by: D.H.W on February 27, 2010, 09:35:40 PM
Post by: sammy on March 08, 2010, 07:19:54 PM
I think this thread needs a bump
;D
Wigan 1-0 Liverpool
By John Sinnott
Liverpool's hopes of qualifying for the Champions League suffered a major setback as struggling Wigan punished an insipid display by Rafa Benitez's side.
The visitors' out-of-sorts performance was summed up four misses by Fernando Torres, who hit the post early on.
A Dirk Kuyt mistake led to Wigan's goal, with Emmerson Boyce then crossing and Hugo Rodallega volleying home.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/8547476.stm
Published: 2010/03/08 21:59:12 GMT
© BBC MMX
Post by: onlikecorn on March 09, 2010, 11:19:18 AM
Post by: big dawg on April 11, 2010, 10:05:18 AM
That pretty much sums up Liverpool season....no longer a big 4 club..now Rafa talking bout £60 m he need to produce a winning team......
:yapping:
Post by: sammy on April 11, 2010, 10:27:19 AM
Anyhow, come on pool, allyuh can redeem yourselves somewhat by destroying chelsea next week :praying:
Post by: Bakes on April 11, 2010, 11:00:54 AM
somehow i knew when i saw this thread on the first page it would not have been a liverpool man posting - they does only find themselves in Utd thread hating and talking tootoo.
Anyhow, come on pool, allyuh can redeem yourselves somewhat by destroying chelsea next week :praying:
Really? Care to cite some examples... or is this just a case of you talking out yuh ass to make yourself feel better about the shit that yuh team doing? Is only allyuh and de Chelsea fans love to run up in next team thread gloating and gallivanting.
Post by: xixgon on April 11, 2010, 11:28:07 AM
somehow i knew when i saw this thread on the first page it would not have been a liverpool man posting - they does only find themselves in Utd thread hating and talking tootoo.
Anyhow, come on pool, allyuh can redeem yourselves somewhat by destroying chelsea next week :praying:
Really? Care to cite some examples... or is this just a case of you talking out yuh ass to make yourself feel better about the shit that yuh team doing? Is only allyuh and de Chelsea fans love to run up in next team thread gloating and gallivanting.
Ways this thread still exists?
Post by: Mango Chow! on April 11, 2010, 12:16:47 PM
somehow i knew when i saw this thread on the first page it would not have been a liverpool man posting - they does only find themselves in Utd thread hating and talking tootoo.Is only allyuh and de Chelsea fans love to run up in next team thread gloating and gallivanting.
Anyhow, come on pool, allyuh can redeem yourselves somewhat by destroying chelsea next week :praying:
"only...dem..and Chelsea fans..." yuh say? I am yet to find a thread for any ONE team where ONLY that team's fans leave comments, whether good, bad or ugly. Oh shit, I forget. Your word is gospel.
Post by: sammy on April 11, 2010, 12:22:06 PM
somehow i knew when i saw this thread on the first page it would not have been a liverpool man posting - they does only find themselves in Utd thread hating and talking tootoo.
Anyhow, come on pool, allyuh can redeem yourselves somewhat by destroying chelsea next week :praying:
Really? Care to cite some examples... or is this just a case of you talking out yuh ass to make yourself feel better about the shit that yuh team doing? Is only allyuh and de Chelsea fans love to run up in next team thread gloating and gallivanting.
hey its nice to see u at home for a change, u must come here more often.
Post by: xixgon on April 11, 2010, 01:50:24 PM
somehow i knew when i saw this thread on the first page it would not have been a liverpool man posting - they does only find themselves in Utd thread hating and talking tootoo.
Anyhow, come on pool, allyuh can redeem yourselves somewhat by destroying chelsea next week :praying:
Really? Care to cite some examples... or is this just a case of you talking out yuh ass to make yourself feel better about the shit that yuh team doing? Is only allyuh and de Chelsea fans love to run up in next team thread gloating and gallivanting.
hey its nice to see u at home for a change, u must come here more often.
Ent - Liverpool walkin solo dese days yes :D
Post by: Bakes on April 11, 2010, 03:32:25 PM
"only...dem..and Chelsea fans..." yuh say? I am yet to find a thread for any ONE team where ONLY that team's fans leave comments, whether good, bad or ugly. Oh shit, I forget. Your word is gospel.
I used the word "love", meaning Chelsea and ManU fans make it a habit to post in other teams threads to throw talk for fans of that team. Nowhere but in your tiny head does the statement imply that only Chelsea and ManU fans alone ever post in threads dedicated to other teams. Try reading the statement again... this time for understanding. I know that's a gargantuan task for you, but give it a try.
Post by: Bakes on April 11, 2010, 03:33:50 PM
hey its nice to see u at home for a change, u must come here more often.
lol... de lights might be out, but doh worry, I always home.
Post by: Mango Chow! on April 11, 2010, 04:08:36 PM
"only...dem..and Chelsea fans..." yuh say? I am yet to find a thread for any ONE team where ONLY that team's fans leave comments, whether good, bad or ugly. Oh shit, I forget. Your word is gospel.
I used the word "love", meaning Chelsea and ManU fans make it a habit to post in other teams threads to throw talk for fans of that team. Nowhere but in your tiny head does the statement imply that only Chelsea and ManU fans alone ever post in threads dedicated to other teams. Try reading the statement again... this time for understanding. I know that's a gargantuan task for you, but give it a try.
I don't give your mother puss what word yuh use, or how yuh try to spin it, the implication remains the same. You know all who posting where and who love what like you keepin' stats and checkin' man pulse.
Only a c**t like you.
Post by: Bakes on April 11, 2010, 06:24:58 PM
I don't give your mother puss what word yuh use, or how yuh try to spin it, the implication remains the same. You know all who posting where and who love what like you keepin' stats and checkin' man pulse.
Only a c**t like you.
Quote
"only...dem..and Chelsea fans..." yuh say? I am yet to find a thread for any ONE team where ONLY that team's fans leave comments, whether good, bad or ugly. Oh shit, I forget. Your word is gospel.
Apparently I not de only one who "know all who posting where and who love what... keepin' stats and checkin' man pulse"... physician heal thy c**t.
Post by: Mango Chow! on April 12, 2010, 03:13:45 AM
I don't give your mother puss what word yuh use, or how yuh try to spin it, the implication remains the same. You know all who posting where and who love what like you keepin' stats and checkin' man pulse.
Only a c**t like you.Quote"only...dem..and Chelsea fans..." yuh say? I am yet to find a thread for any ONE team where ONLY that team's fans leave comments, whether good, bad or ugly. Oh shit, I forget. Your word is gospel.
Apparently I not de only one who "know all who posting where and who love what... keepin' stats and checkin' man pulse"... physician heal thy c**t.
:sleepy: My c**t is yuh mudder c**t, boy wit yuh phony bitch ass.
Post by: Bakes on April 12, 2010, 11:47:38 AM
:sleepy: My c**t is yuh mudder c**t, boy wit yuh phony bitch ass.
What next... "the sky is blue, the grass is green..."?
You sound like somebody take away yuh rattle. What's actually sad (and at the same time amusing) is that you seem to think your childish e-gangster posturing is actually supposed to do something.
Post by: Mango Chow! on April 12, 2010, 03:11:17 PM
:sleepy: My c**t is yuh mudder c**t, boy wit yuh phony bitch ass.
What next... "the sky is blue, the grass is green..."?
You sound like somebody take away yuh rattle. What's actually sad (and at the same time amusing) is that you seem to think your childish e-gangster posturing is actually supposed to do something.
There you go knowing what I seem to think.....and wrong again There you go calling contempt "gangster" like I threaten you or something. Like I trying to do you something.......and you supposed to be so smart. Trust me, bitch ass, I am not even beginning to be gangster with you. It wouldn't be necessary or worth the jail time and legal fees.
Post by: Bakes on April 12, 2010, 04:58:38 PM
There you go knowing what I seem to think.....and wrong again There you go calling contempt "gangster" like I threaten you or something. Like I trying to do you something.......and you supposed to be so smart. Trust me, bitch ass, I am not even beginning to be gangster with you. It wouldn't be necessary or worth the jail time and legal fees.
I think anyone with reading comprehension above the primary school level can appreciate what was meant by "e-gangster posturing"... understandable if you are having issues. And don't worry, you didn't... and don't... threaten me your infantile ad hominems notwithstanding.
Post by: Mango Chow! on April 12, 2010, 05:24:17 PM
There you go knowing what I seem to think.....and wrong again There you go calling contempt "gangster" like I threaten you or something. Like I trying to do you something.......and you supposed to be so smart. Trust me, bitch ass, I am not even beginning to be gangster with you. It wouldn't be necessary or worth the jail time and legal fees.
I think anyone with reading comprehension above the primary school level can appreciate what was meant by "e-gangster posturing"... understandable if you are having issues. And don't worry, you didn't... and don't... threaten me your infantile ad hominems notwithstanding.
I have no problem being infantile with you at all because I know you get the point and I know you know the real deal. Nobody hides behind their computer here more than you, so all how you try to deflect and distract with your attempts at feigning some academic superiority over anybody, you know what time it is and I know you get my drift. And I repeat, my infantile ad hominems are nothing more than natural e-contempt for now.
Post by: WestCoast on April 12, 2010, 05:49:47 PM
a man running with my hypothesis oui
Post by: Bakes on April 12, 2010, 07:52:00 PM
I have no problem being infantile with you at all because I know you get the point and I know you know the real deal. Nobody hides behind their computer here more than you, so all how you try to deflect and distract with your attempts at feigning some academic superiority over anybody, you know what time it is and I know you get my drift. And I repeat, my infantile ad hominems are nothing more than natural e-contempt for now.
Lol... I not offended fella, you could only speak in the language that's most familiar to you.. I cyah mad at you fuh being yuhself.
And as far as dis feign dis and deflect dat talk, keep that bullshit tuh dazzle yuh fellow street corner intellectuals with, I doh have to 'feign' nutten. If simple talk smacks to you of 'superiority' then that only indicts your own understanding, you need to ask questions of yuhself I cyah help you with that.
Post by: berris on April 12, 2010, 10:08:36 PM
..cyar believe dem battle still going on here ...ah hah tuh get back involve ;D ...buh ah find if all yuh hah tuh fight at least leh go some ''haul yuh mudda c**t and f**k you '' nah man.. wha kind ah decent battle is dat ::)
Post by: Bakes on April 12, 2010, 10:23:08 PM
Wha-tap !! Mango Chow hit him ah slap ...Boo-doop!! Bakes ..hit him ah high fall ...Pah-Taaau!! ..Mango buss de man face wid ah 2 hard slap ....Bee-deef !! Bakes come back with ah deadly left right combination ...and den Mango pull out he 9ss,leh go 2 in de air ...DOI DOI !! .....all fight done oui ,well not at first but we get de point ;D
..cyar believe dem battle still going on here ...ah hah tuh get back involve ;D ...buh ah find if all yuh hah tuh fight at least leh go some ''haul yuh mudda c**t and f**k you '' nah man.. wha kind ah decent battle is dat ::)
Nah man eh no fight here. Dem cuss out an thing from what... 3-4 years ago was juss kicks thing. But after ah while dat does get stale and yuh move on. Some ah we at least.
Post by: Mango Chow! on April 12, 2010, 10:28:05 PM
I have no problem being infantile with you at all because I know you get the point and I know you know the real deal. Nobody hides behind their computer here more than you, so all how you try to deflect and distract with your attempts at feigning some academic superiority over anybody, you know what time it is and I know you get my drift. And I repeat, my infantile ad hominems are nothing more than natural e-contempt for now.
Lol... I not offended fella, you could only speak in the language that's most familiar to you.. I cyah mad at you fuh being yuhself.
And as far as dis feign dis and deflect dat talk, keep that bullshit tuh dazzle yuh fellow street corner intellectuals with, I doh have to 'feign' nutten. If simple talk smacks to you of 'superiority' then that only indicts your own understanding, you need to ask questions of yuhself I cyah help you with that.
Wha-tap !! Mango Chow hit him ah slap ...Boo-doop!! Bakes ..hit him ah high fall ...Pah-Taaau!! ..Mango buss de man face wid ah 2 hard slap ....Bee-deef !! Bakes come back with ah deadly left right combination ...and den Mango pull out he 9ss,leh go 2 in de air ...DOI DOI !! .....all fight done oui ,well not at first but we get de point ;D
..cyar believe dem battle still going on here ...ah hah tuh get back involve ;D ...buh ah find if all yuh hah tuh fight at least leh go some ''haul yuh mudda c**t and f**k you '' nah man.. wha kind ah decent battle is dat ::)
Nah man eh no fight here. Dem cuss out an thing from what... 3-4 years ago was juss kicks thing. But after ah while dat does get stale and yuh move on. Some ah we at least.
Nuthing more stale than the bitch that you are, recycling the same shit, over and over again with everybody. Anything, I guess, to have the last word.........as is applicable.
Post by: boss on April 18, 2010, 01:04:50 PM
Even if we win the Europa League, this has been a shitty, shitty season...
Post by: sammy on April 18, 2010, 02:29:19 PM
Torres out for the season :( Having surgery tonight. Should be fine for the World Cup.
Even if we win the Europa League, this has been a shitty, shitty season...
he seems to be injury prone......probably cant keep up with the physicality of the league?
Post by: triniairman on April 18, 2010, 03:13:52 PM
Damn!!! I was hoping he play against Chelsea, that's their only good player ;D come on Stoke!!!Torres out for the season :( Having surgery tonight. Should be fine for the World Cup.
Even if we win the Europa League, this has been a shitty, shitty season...
he seems to be injury prone......probably cant keep up with the physicality of the league?
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on April 18, 2010, 03:37:39 PM
Damn!!! I was hoping he play against Chelsea, that's their only good player ;D come on Stoke!!!Torres out for the season :( Having surgery tonight. Should be fine for the World Cup.
Even if we win the Europa League, this has been a shitty, shitty season...
he seems to be injury prone......probably cant keep up with the physicality of the league?
f**k
Hopefully Rafa will put Kuyt up top and not that utter shitsnake N'Gog
Come on you scouse bastards... just dont let Chelsea win
Post by: Mango Chow! on April 18, 2010, 05:24:08 PM
Damn!!! I was hoping he play against Chelsea, that's their only good player ;D come on Stoke!!!Torres out for the season :( Having surgery tonight. Should be fine for the World Cup.
Even if we win the Europa League, this has been a shitty, shitty season...
he seems to be injury prone......probably cant keep up with the physicality of the league?
Damn!!! I was hoping he play against Chelsea, that's their only good player ;D come on Stoke!!!Torres out for the season :( Having surgery tonight. Should be fine for the World Cup.
Even if we win the Europa League, this has been a shitty, shitty season...
he seems to be injury prone......probably cant keep up with the physicality of the league?
f**k
Hopefully Rafa will put Kuyt up top and not that utter shitsnake N'Gog
Come on you scouse bastards... just dont let Chelsea win
:rotfl: :rotfl: Allyuh men is rel HAY-TERS!! Torres is one of my most respected players....I wish de man a speedy recovery so he could get back to doing what he does best: Playing good, entertaining football. Allyuh only want to hate on my side!
Post by: xixgon on April 18, 2010, 07:59:24 PM
Damn!!! I was hoping he play against Chelsea, that's their only good player ;D come on Stoke!!!Torres out for the season :( Having surgery tonight. Should be fine for the World Cup.
Even if we win the Europa League, this has been a shitty, shitty season...
he seems to be injury prone......probably cant keep up with the physicality of the league?Damn!!! I was hoping he play against Chelsea, that's their only good player ;D come on Stoke!!!Torres out for the season :( Having surgery tonight. Should be fine for the World Cup.
Even if we win the Europa League, this has been a shitty, shitty season...
he seems to be injury prone......probably cant keep up with the physicality of the league?
f**k
Hopefully Rafa will put Kuyt up top and not that utter shitsnake N'Gog
Come on you scouse bastards... just dont let Chelsea win
:rotfl: :rotfl: Allyuh men is rel HAY-TERS!! Torres is one of my most respected players....I wish de man a speedy recovery so he could get back to doing what he does best: Playing good, entertaining football. Allyuh only want to hate on my side!
Haha, is that not part of being a fan of another team. To wish bad things for your rivals (not injury but losses).
Some men real sensitive up in here yes :)
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on April 18, 2010, 08:06:24 PM
YNWA! lol
Post by: xixgon on April 18, 2010, 09:39:45 PM
not to mention we need a result from Liverpool in order for us to have a chance of winning the league...yea we have to win our 3 games but we also have to hope for a result going wrong for Chelski
YNWA! lol
Doh hadda be from Liverpool - but yeh they the most likely source.
Who knows who could drop points to who in this year's Premier League though yes.
Torres's layoff could be bad for us and Liverpool, but could be good for Spain if he comes back rested and can get back into the flow of things quickly. Course just as likely he comes back rusty a la Rooney in 2006 - thas a real small window to recover properly. Del Bosque might be sayin some prayers right about now yes.
Post by: Reaper2004 on April 29, 2010, 05:34:46 PM
Post by: Deeks on April 29, 2010, 05:58:56 PM
Post by: sammy on April 29, 2010, 07:21:36 PM
Go fulham!
Post by: Bakes on April 29, 2010, 07:28:34 PM
Post by: sammy on April 29, 2010, 07:29:09 PM
Poisoned at the death... but say what. Plenty work needed for this side to find respectability next season.
Benitez wants overhaul at Anfield
Rafael Benitez admitted it could take five new signings to turn Liverpool into trophy challengers once more.
The Reds lost to Atletico Madrid on away goals in the Europa League semi-finals to compound a miserable season, which they will finish empty-handed.
"Someone said we needed four or five players. I would more or less agree with that. That is what we have to do," said Liverpool boss Benitez.
"I do not know whether I will have any funds. We will find out in the summer."
Liverpool do still have the fourth Champions League place to aim for, but even that is a forlorn hope.
They would require victory over title favourites Chelsea in their penultimate game of the season on Sunday to stand any chance, while hoping other results go their way.
Benitez acknowledged there is plenty of work ahead if Liverpool are to regain their former status.
"Liverpool is a massive club," said the Spaniard after his side beat Atletico 2-1 at Anfield but drew 2-2 on aggregate to bow out on away goals.
"There has been a change in the last two or three years. We have had to balance the books and manage in this way."
ffcbscmi
However, whether he is stay at Anfield to undertake the rebuilding job remains to be seen.
Juventus are reported to be keen on acquiring the services of Benitez, who saw his hopes of leading Liverpool to a third European final under his charge collapse after they had found themselves in such a promising position.
The 50-year-old was cagey about his future, refusing to look any further ahead than the two games his side have left.
"The future is Chelsea. And then Hull," he said.
The exit was a microcosm of Liverpool's season - plenty of effort and some finesse in the first half, Alberto Aquilani providing the latter with a superb finish to put the hosts in front.
Although there were no more goals in normal time, Yossi Benayoun struck at the start of the additional 30 minutes and seemed to have set up an all-English final with Fulham in Hamburg on 12 May.
But former Manchester United striker Diego Forlan wrecked those dreams, leaving Benitez to pick his players up once more, after he ran out of experience to make a difference from the bench.
"Everything seems to have been against the players this season," he said. "It is clear that we had some problems.
"We had too many injuries and were lacking forward options. But the players worked so hard tonight and I am very proud of them.
"Now we have to concentrate and do our best in the next two games."
For Atletico it was a glorious night, allowing them to revel in the joy of becoming the only Spanish side to reach a European final this season.
"No one would have expected this," said coach Quique Sanchez Flores. "We are happy to represent our country and be Spain's only team in a European final.
"It was an amazing night. You can't come to Anfield without knowing you are going to suffer some difficult moments but we were the stronger side in extra-time and deserved to go through."
Now they must deny Fulham a magical end to one of the most incredible seasons in the west London club's history, and Sanchez Flores is wary.
"Never trust any team that goes all the way to the final," he added. "Any English team will be very competitive and Fulham are no exception."
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport2/hi/football/europe/8652883.stm
Published: 2010/04/29 23:12:54 GMT
© BBC MMX
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on April 29, 2010, 07:33:42 PM
sorry just had to sing it.. cant believe he made the scousers cry again...
anyway..go out and prove your not the biggest lot of shit by holding or beating Chelsea on Sunday...
good luck scousers
Post by: boss on April 30, 2010, 03:48:47 AM
Anyway, hopefully we can win our remaining matches (including Chelsea this weekend) and hope for the best. And good luck to Fulham. I hope they win it :beermug:
Post by: sammy on April 30, 2010, 03:57:06 AM
Nothing left to say really. :( A shitty season that will at best, be a blip before returning next season to challenge for the title, but more likely be the start of a run of seasons outside the top 4. With Manchester City's spending power and Liverpool's unstable board structure and constant pimping of itself to potential buyers, I'm preparing myself for an uncomfortable run. And yes, Benitez has to shoulder some (more than some) of the blame, but I will continue to support him.
Anyway, hopefully we can win our remaining matches (including Chelsea this weekend) and hope for the best. And good luck to Fulham. I hope they win it :beermug:
good post - tough luck :beermug:
Post by: Reaper2004 on April 30, 2010, 08:27:46 AM
Nothing left to say really. :( A shitty season that will at best, be a blip before returning next season to challenge for the title, but more likely be the start of a run of seasons outside the top 4. With Manchester City's spending power and Liverpool's unstable board structure and constant pimping of itself to potential buyers, I'm preparing myself for an uncomfortable run. And yes, Benitez has to shoulder some (more than some) of the blame, but I will continue to support him.
Anyway, hopefully we can win our remaining matches (including Chelsea this weekend) and hope for the best. And good luck to Fulham. I hope they win it :beermug:
good post - tough luck :beermug:
Co-sign
Post by: boss on April 30, 2010, 04:21:07 PM
Rafael Benítez on the brink of leaving Liverpool over Anfield rift
(http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00713/benitez_585_713092a.jpg)
Oliver Kay, Football Correspondent
Rafael Benítez could bid an emotional farewell to Anfield tomorrow after a breakdown of trust between the Liverpool manager and the board.
The club’s hierarchy believe Benítez is “playing games” as he weighs up an offer to take over at Juventus.
Sources at Anfield said last night that the situation looks increasingly untenable for both parties, but the mechanics of Benítez’s departure remain unclear because of two factors: the extraordinary sum of £16 million that he would be due as compensation if relieved of his duties and the uncertainty over the future ownership of the club.
The board insists that Benítez’s potential payoff will not stop it acting decisively. However, the Spaniard believes he has a watertight five-year contract, agreed only last year, which entitles him to be paid within 24 hours of having his contract terminated.
With at least two groups expressing serious interest in buying Liverpool from Tom Hicks and George Gillett Jr, the uncertainty may be prolonged until a takeover has been finalised, but the club’s hierarchy are prepared to discuss the matter with potential investors if they fear Benítez has become a “lame duck” manager after a wretched season in which they lie seventh in the Barclays Premier League with two matches remaining, the first against Chelsea in a potential title decider tomorrow.
Benítez has an arrangement with Christian Purslow, the managing director, to sit down at the end of the season, after the final Premier League fixture away to Hull City a week tomorrow, to discuss the future. Having not yet spoken to Martin Broughton, who was appointed as chairman a fortnight ago, Benítez fears the worst, but a swift resolution looks unlikely. The Liverpool board will not stand in Benítez’s way if he wants to join Juventus or any other club, which would at least spare it the payout.
Benítez said yesterday: “I decided to stay last year because of the fans and for one year I have been working hard, trying to do my best. We will see what happens in the future.”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/liverpool/article7113271.ece
Post by: D.H.W on April 30, 2010, 06:13:02 PM
Post by: lefty on April 30, 2010, 07:01:33 PM
aye alyuh lose alyuh forking match Sun nah , thank you :devil: i gone
he probably drunk.......... ah fix it for 'im
Post by: Blue on May 02, 2010, 03:00:46 AM
Apparently Gerrard has a Terry-esque media gag order in place at the moment...although the reasons for the gag order are well publicised on the internet.
Post by: sammy on May 02, 2010, 06:10:01 AM
Anyone following the Gerrard rumours? (And I don't mean transfer talk)
Apparently Gerrard has a Terry-esque media gag order in place at the moment...although the reasons for the gag order are well publicised on the internet.
well lewe hear the rumor and the reasons for the gag order nah?
Post by: sammy on May 02, 2010, 07:05:47 AM
Post by: rotatopoti3 on May 02, 2010, 07:12:08 AM
Come on Liverpool....lets continue to do Chelsea a favour... :devil:
Post by: D.H.W on May 02, 2010, 08:00:16 AM
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on May 02, 2010, 08:04:37 AM
Kuyt and Reina have my respect
the rest of Liverpool including their fans could f**k off... yea I know we cant depend on results but what a unprofessional shambolic performance...I'd hide If I was a Liverpool fan...keep your history..because your foreseeable future is dark...
useless f**ks
Post by: sammy on May 02, 2010, 08:19:12 AM
Post by: Bitter on May 02, 2010, 08:27:47 AM
pathetic... that about sums it up
Kuyt and Reina have my respect
the rest of Liverpool including their fans could f**k off... yea I know we cant depend on results but what a unprofessional shambolic performance...I'd hide If I was a Liverpool fan...keep your history..because your foreseeable future is dark...
useless f**ks
Like somebody feeling tense.
Worry about Sunderland.
Post by: Daft Trini on May 02, 2010, 08:30:57 AM
Post by: Bourbon on May 02, 2010, 08:34:03 AM
Post by: lefty on May 02, 2010, 08:38:07 AM
nice pass gerrard... now yuh ass shoul get pass for africa >:(
Superb through ball by mr. liverpool himself. Steups.(http://jenhayley.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/excellent-mr-burns.gif)
Post by: rickstaa on May 02, 2010, 08:41:00 AM
for real why your big team on ah another rival d!cK for help,Man U IS GARBAGE :beermug:pathetic... that about sums it up
Kuyt and Reina have my respect
the rest of Liverpool including their fans could f**k off... yea I know we cant depend on results but what a unprofessional shambolic performance...I'd hide If I was a Liverpool fan...keep your history..because your foreseeable future is dark...
useless f**ks
Like somebody feeling tense.
Worry about Sunderland.
Post by: Mango Chow! on May 02, 2010, 08:42:02 AM
Post by: Daft Trini on May 02, 2010, 09:23:45 AM
Post by: Reaper2004 on May 02, 2010, 11:38:58 AM
Give credit where credit is due, Rivals or not you guys didnt have the best season you desired but in the end you an your club will ALWAYS have my utmost respect. So from me to you guys on this thread YNWA. Make the run through the Europa League next season Memorable for Anfield. The Champions League wont be the same without y'all.
Post by: Bakes on May 02, 2010, 12:07:38 PM
the official babes thread more interested than anything going on in this one yes.. :-[
Then why are you in here? So called fans like you and the rest of the li'l Man U fanboys in here (Reaper excluded) is why people does hate on allyuh club they way they do. Instead of posting in the Man U thread and cheering on allyuh side allyuh in here denigrating ah next team because allyuh not getting any "help"... allyuh pathetic dread. God forbid the tables should ever turn because frontrunners like allyuh will be the first of the rats off the sinking Man U ship.
Man U. will always have my respect, but just to see allyuh cry into allyuh bibs I hope Chelsea win the title.
Post by: kev on May 09, 2010, 11:03:10 AM
KPMG: Liverpool FC On The Verge Of Administration After Massive Rise In Debt
[/size]Willie Gannon by
Written on May 08, 2010
The season that just keeps kicking gave Liverpool and its many fans the worst news imaginable after reports emerged that the club have sunk deeper into debt. Yesterday's financial report from Kop Holdings revealed a record loss of £54.9 million over the course of the last season, meaning that the club's total debt now stands at £472.5 million.
Accounts for the club's holding company for the year ending in July 2009 show rising interest payments of £40 million over the last year, wages breaking the £100 million range for the first time and a record loss of £54.9 million.
At the end of last season, after a record profit of £10 million, Liverpool's debt stood at £350m. Urgent negotiations with RBS and a refinancing of the loan reduced the deficit to £237 million, and the British Government-owned bank are now expected to come back and seek their money.
£233 million of the debt is owed to RBS and Wachovia, while another £144.4 million is owed to Hicks and Gillett's parent company, Kop Cayman.
At the end of last season KPMG had warned Kop Football Ltd. of the "material uncertainty" of their product. In other words, should Liverpool fail to bring the EPL trophy or the Champions League trophy home in the 2009/10, then the debt would increase substantially, as there would not be any monies available to pay off their debt.
With the current findings we can see that that is exactly what has happened to the once great club.
Liverpool have until the end of July to pay RBS and Wachovia their debt, or at the least a very large portion of the debt through player sales, which looks increasingly like the only way out of the mire. Already ahead of the curve, the EPL and UEFA summoned new Chairman Martin Broughton to their headquarters to discuss Liverpool's participation in their respective tournaments next year.
Their greatest fear is that the now Government-owned bank will have nowhere near the same level of sympathy for the club that they had last year. RBS restructured their core business after the EU allowed the company to redesign itself after the biggest taxpayer bail out in Europe during the financial crisis, some £100 billion. As a result of the restructuring RBS are expected to shed 20,000 from their world wide work force.
The EU’s top competition enforcer, Neelie Kroes, warned that if the bank failed to meet 2013 targets to restore healthy balance sheet then the EU would be forced to take action upon the bank.
The fact that the goalposts have now shifted for RBS means that the bank will almost definitely come looking for Liverpool to repay their debt. There is no sympathy for football clubs who spend beyond their means in the current climate, and Liverpool will do well to garner support from political parties because their debt is essentially taxpayer money.
Broughton has been quick to talk of the proposed £81 million four year sponsorship deal with Standard Charter and how it will help to reduce the debt. However, it would now seem that the level of sponsorship depends upon Liverpool's success during that period.
One theory on Broughton's role that has begun to surface is that his appointment to the role of Chairman is only window dressing to appease RBS, to make it look as if the club are actively looking to reduce their debts but are in actual fact treading water with no serious buyers on the horizon.
This would seem to go with the EPL's recent talks with Broughton about their commitment to meet every fixture next season.
"I expect to be chairman until we sell, so a matter of months,” Broughton said. “There’s no fixed price, there’s no agreed price—it’s a willing buyer, willing seller trade. We have willing sellers and there are willing buyers out there—that will determine the price," which all sounds a little bit desperate.
With the club now losing £110,000 a day it looks as if Broughton, RBS, and the UK Government will have much to discuss over the next two months.
To make the debt look more servicable Royal Bank of Scotland and Wachovia have forced Tom Hicks and George Gillett Jr. to move Liverpool’s borrowings away from them and on to Hicks' Cayman Islands-listed parent company, Kop Cayman.
Many fans rejoiced last year when Liverpool appeared to reduce their bank loan from £350 million to £290 million, but that turned out to be financial slight of hand and was only because their offshore parent company increased its loan to the club by £86.2 million to £144.4 million. That loan, on which Liverpool has to pay 10 percent interest, is likely to have increased over the last 12 months, explaining these new devastating figures.
Only this week Rafael Benitez eventually agreed to meet Martin Broughton about the Spaniard's future at the club. There has been a huge amount of speculation about his future role at the club, with stories emanating from Italy every day with new links to Juventus.
Benitez has played a political chess game with Hicks and Gillett in the corridors of power at Anfield, and he has become part of the fabric at the club with his people in virtually every position of power regarding the football side of the club.
He has called upon the owners to lavish him with money, or he will leave. He has told them not to sell Fernando Torres or Steven Gerrard, or he will leave. He has also called upon them to meet their many promises, or he will leave. Rafa knows the club lies on the edge of a financial precipice and has made demands that he knows sound impossible given the level of debt.
During his six years at the club he has spent some £210 million on 49 players, whilst bringing in some £125 million for 80 players.
With the news that Rafa is now saying he needs at least six new players to challenge for fourth, it would seem that Rafa has spent quite poorly over his time in charge. To say he needs six players for a decent team after six years in charge is nothing short of Benitez admitting wasting Liverpool's money.
The biggest rise, however, has come in the wages bracket at the club, where Benitez has almost doubled the club's wage bill since taking over.
* 2004- £66m
* 2005- £65m
* 2006- £68m
* 2007- £75m
* 2008- £79m
* 2009- £101m
* Total- £454
For the second year running KPMG have given a brutal audit on all that is wrong with Liverpool FC, citing "material uncertainty" yet again.
"These conditions indicate the existence of a material uncertainty which may cast doubt on the parent company's ability to continue as a going concern," it said.
Liverpool are on the verge of becoming the next Leeds or Newcastle; the EPL think so, UEFA think so, and KPMG know so. The next two months are vital for the club.
Challenging for the title is gone, keeping Benitez at the club looks less and less likely every day, Fernando Torres has intimated that he wants to leave English football, and Steven Gerrard has just endured his worst ever season in a red shirt.
Liverpool will not earn Champions League money next season, they will not challenge for the league title, their best players could leave, and their manager could go to Italy.
Next year couldn't be any worse than this one, could it?
This article was also published on Premier League Report
Post by: boss on May 09, 2010, 12:32:36 PM
Next year couldn't be any worse than this one, could it?
It can, and it will probably get worse before it gets better. John Aldridge said something today to the effect that this off-season is the most crucial in Liverpool's history. And just for the record, coming 7th means that we have to playa qualifier for the Europa League, so even qualifying for that isn't guaranteed.
Post by: xixgon on May 09, 2010, 12:41:45 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/cWiNMAnXz3Y&fmt=18
Post by: sammy on May 10, 2010, 07:40:01 AM
Published 23:00 09/05/10 By Alan Nixon
Steven Gerrard is ready to wave farewell to Liverpool – with Manchester City making a record £40million bid for the Kop skipper.
Megabucks City’s Arab rulers have given the go-ahead for the capture of the summer and hope to agree a fee and speak to the England star as soon as possible.
Gerrard’s future has been in doubt because of the Anfield club’s financial troubles. City’s up-front money may be too much to refuse for the beleaguered owners.
Liverpool boss Rafa Benitez could reluctantly accept a sale if he is given assurances that he will get the funds to transform a squad that has missed out on the Champions League.
Benitez put on a bold front yesterday, insisting after the goalless draw at Hull: “If I stay, I’m not thinking about selling Gerrard or Torres.”
Hull 0-0 Liverpool: The Daily Mirror match report
But when Benitez was asked if Gerrard and striker Fernando Torres wanted to stay he admitted: “That’s a question for them.”
The final word will be with Gerrard, who is 30 in three weeks’ time and has been a Kop idol since his teens.
He would not have Europe’s elite competition at City but he could take on a new challenge and lead them to a title bid.
City are poised to make their bid formal in the next few days but their interest is already known at the top level and the super-rich outfit want to get a ‘marquee’ signing that will make the game take notice.
The title wannabes know Real Madrid are also lurking but fancy their chances of outbidding them.
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Transfer-news-Steven-Gerrard-ready-to-quit-Liverpool-with-Manchester-City-plotting-record-40million-move-for-the-England-star-article420943.html
Post by: Peong on May 10, 2010, 07:50:54 AM
I would be surprised if he does.
Post by: sammy on May 10, 2010, 08:11:49 AM
How could Gerrard really play for another English club?
I would be surprised if he does.
he looks a very frustrated lad
Post by: Tenorsaw on May 10, 2010, 10:25:20 AM
Post by: fari on May 10, 2010, 10:38:50 AM
Post by: Bakes on May 10, 2010, 10:59:42 AM
very disappointing season for pool. i respect the history and tradition of that club so to see them floundering so with all the quality at their disposal you could tell that rafa can no longer motivate the players. will be an interesting summer.
All what quality? I appreciate the kind words but let's not fool ourselves, you not only need quality to make it in today's game, but depth as well. Not only is our quality few, but we don't even have depth behind those few quality players. We lack the ability to attract marquee players right now, even if the financial situation was settled who would want to come join this three-ring circus that is the club under Hicks and Gillette?
Our four major buys this past season are as follows: Glen Johnson, Kyriagkos, Aquilani and Maxi Rodriguez. Arguably the first and last names have shown the most promise. Kyriagkos is an expensive practice player... not trying to disparage the guy, but he hasn't really adjusted to the English game as of yet. Same of Aquilani... who has shown some promise, but barely a spark really, in the few full games he's had.
Aside from them... our squad has aged and the younger players haven't progressed under Rafa. Dirk Kuyt is the hardest working player in England, and one of the most vastly underrated. In the right system he'd easily be another Arjen Robben, but at Liverpool, now that Alonso is plying his trade in Madrid... if Gerrard isn't feeding him the passes all of his runs tend to be in vain, as we just seem to lack consistent cohesion in the final third. Benayoun has made me a believer... can't tell me nothing bad about Yossi Benayoun. Pace, touches, vision with his runs... clinical finishing ability with either foot. Talent being wasted on this club.
Babel is gifted but brainless... I like and root for the guy, but he's quickly approaching Theo Walcott territory. Ngog... not sure what to say about him.. maybe not the right situation for him. I find him to be too complacent with his opportunities. A lot like Voronin was... except Voronin wasn't complacent he was profligate... which is why he back in Russia, Ukraine or wherever else he exiled to these days. Carra old... experienced a resurgence the latter third of the season, resulting in his national call-up... but his best days are a memory now.
Fernando Torres... he deserves his own item. There is nothing but superlatives where this guy is concerned for me. Hard worker... doesn't mind tracking back to collect the ball... runs well at defenders... tough with either foot and his head. Premature to call him a poor man's Bergkamp... but that's who he reminds me of. All he need is one more digit on his back, the Simon Le Bon haircut and some boxers for shorts and you a Bergkamp doppelganger on your hands.
On the sidelines... if Rafa hasn't already lost these players, it soon coming. I wouldn't mind seeing him back, but it's not exactly a ringing endorsement at this point. Might be time to finally admit that we're destined to be only friends at this point and start seeing other people.
Post by: Feliziano on June 04, 2010, 11:14:49 PM
Benitez had a warmth for Liverpool that extended beyond the boundaries of Anfield and the club's state-of-the-art Melwood training complex.
The Spanish manager embraced the city, warts and all, during a six-season stay in England's top flight.
When he put pen-to-paper a new four-year contract extension in March 2009, Benitez said: "My heart is with Liverpool.
"I'm delighted to sign this new deal. I love the club, the fans and the city. With a club and supporters like this, I could never say no to staying.
"The club is greatly respected around the world due to its incredible history and tremendous heritage. It is my aim to uphold those values and help create a new chapter in our history."
Now only 15 months on, Benitez himself is history after a dreadful season. His team finished only seventh in the Premier League and suffered early exits from the Champions League, FA Cup and Carling Cup.
Given how much time he has invested in Liverpool tactically, not to mention emotionally, he will be going through a process of self-analysis.
Apart from his family, football is Benitez's life, although he does enjoy chess.
He did seem to try to bring the game to life on the pitch with certain tactics and certain selections that baffled supporters and pundits alike.
Co-owner Tom Hicks recently said Benitez would have a "substantial" transfer budget this summer despite he and George Gillett trying to sell the club.
It has been reported that the funds available to Benitez could be as little as £5million, before selling players, and the futures of Steven Gerrard, Fernando Torres and Javier Mascherano are unclear.
In fact, virtually from the day he walked through the Anfield door he has known his spending power is on a different level to his main rivals.
Benitez arrived at Anfield as successor to Gerard Houllier in the summer of 2004 and led Liverpool to two major trophies in his first two seasons - an achievement unmatched by any of his predecessors.
Born in Madrid in April 1960, his playing days were spent largely in the Spanish lower leagues, though he did enjoy a spell at the Real but never made a senior appearance.
Benitez took control of Real Madrid's youth team in 1986. His managerial career began at Valladolid in 1995. Spells at Osasuna, Extremadura and Tenerife followed before he established himself with Valencia.
In just three years at the Mestalla, Benitez managed to break the stranglehold Real Madrid and Barcelona had on Spanish football, winning two Primera Division titles and a UEFA Cup to boot.
He then carved himself into Liverpool folklore in 2005 when they lifted the European Cup with a dramatic victory against AC Milan in Istanbul. That was followed three months later by the UEFA Super Cup.
Benitez's second season on Merseyside saw the FA Cup secured, this time after a penalty shoot-out victory over West Ham in Cardiff.
He reaffirmed his commitment to the club by signing a new four-year deal in June 2006 despite widely publicised interest from abroad.
Benitez again led Liverpool to the Champions League final in May 2007, though this time they went down to AC Milan.
Liverpool have not been able to reach those heights again and it has also been 20 years since they have been crowned kings of England.
Now Benitez is moving on and looking for the next challenge. Could it be Italy and Inter Milan?
Thanks for the good memories Rafa :beermug:
Post by: Feliziano on June 04, 2010, 11:25:39 PM
but we will need a high profile coach if we want tot attract the best foreign players
honestly I didn't want to see Rafa go cause it ain't have much decent options that available right now and I still didn't think it had any good caoches earlier in the season.
it seems like he spent too much time wrangling with the upper management at the Club and just being badminded instead of focusing on his job.
I don't want to see Klinsmann or Mark Hughes period.
Congratulations to Steven Gerrard on being named England skipper for the World Cup.
Would like to see him take that team by the scruff of the neck and march them forward, hopefully he has learnt from the past and not stand idly by and watch an idiotic teamate (Mascherano) get sent off.
Post by: boss on July 01, 2010, 02:35:21 AM
Liverpool appoint Hodgson
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/liverpool-appoint-hodgson
liverpoolfc.tv
1st Jul 2010 - Latest News
Roy Hodgson has been appointed the new manager of Liverpool FC.
The 62-year-old former Fulham, Inter Milan and Switzerland manager has agreed terms with the club on a three-year contract and becomes the 18th manager in our history.
He will be unveiled to the world's media this afternoon after overseeing the first day of pre-season training at Melwood.
Hodgson joins us from Fulham, where he guided the Cottagers to the Europa League final in May and was voted Manager of the Year by the League Managers' Association.
He exclusively told Liverpoolfc.tv: "This is the biggest job in club football and I'm honoured to be taking on the role of manager of Britain's most successful football club. I look forward to meeting the players and the supporters and getting down to work at Melwood."
Post by: boss on July 02, 2010, 10:52:18 AM
liverpoolfc.tv
2nd Jul 2010 - Latest News
Liverpool have today completed the transfer of Yossi Benayoun to Chelsea Football Club.
The two clubs last month agreed an undisclosed fee for the player, who joined Liverpool from West Ham in 2007, and the deal has been confirmed this afternoon.
The 30-year-old Israeli international made 134 appearances and scored 29 goals during his three seasons with the Reds.
A Liverpool spokesman said: "Yossi's departure was agreed between the player and Rafael Benitez a number of weeks ago. Everybody at Liverpool FC wishes him well for the future."
Post by: Bakes on July 02, 2010, 09:18:38 PM
Meanwhile de Anfield cupboard only getting more and more bare... sigh :-[
Post by: Tenorsaw on July 02, 2010, 09:52:01 PM
Post by: Tenorsaw on August 05, 2010, 10:52:28 AM
Chinese government targets Liverpool deal
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=811854&sec=england&cc=5901
Post by: kicker on August 05, 2010, 11:07:59 AM
I real sad to see Yossi go... without a doubt one of my favorite players with Liverpool.
Never thought I'd hear (read) these words coming from you ;D
Post by: dinho on August 05, 2010, 12:30:03 PM
I real sad to see Yossi go... without a doubt one of my favorite players with Liverpool.
Never thought I'd hear (read) these words coming from you ;D
we go take him with open arms. Another boss player that get bull by Rafa, just like Babel, Kuyt, Cisse, Robbie Keane etc.
all this talk about Joe Cole as this great English hope is overstated just as it was during the World Cup.
He really hasn't been the same since his knee injury and his best is past him. Everyone who follow close enough knows this.
Post by: Tenorsaw on August 05, 2010, 02:18:03 PM
I real sad to see Yossi go... without a doubt one of my favorite players with Liverpool.
Never thought I'd hear (read) these words coming from you ;D
we go take him with open arms. Another boss player that get bull by Rafa, just like Babel, Kuyt, Cisse, Robbie Keane etc.
all this talk about Joe Cole as this great English hope is overstated just as it was during the World Cup.
He really hasn't been the same since his knee injury and his best is past him. Everyone who follow close enough knows this.
Cole ain't play enough in South Africa to make any kind of judgment. There's gotta be a reason why man like Terry almost revolt against Capello at the World Cup, so that Cole could play. Men know what the boy can do. ;)
Post by: Bakes on August 05, 2010, 10:19:04 PM
I real sad to see Yossi go... without a doubt one of my favorite players with Liverpool.
Never thought I'd hear (read) these words coming from you ;D
He real turn around my perspective in the last two years... I eh shame tuh say ah eat well-seasoned crow.
Post by: boss on August 06, 2010, 02:46:38 AM
Cole ain't play enough in South Africa to make any kind of judgment.
Whether he will hold up throughout the season is another thing entirely, but (cliche alert) one game at a time.
The bottom line is that the opposition was sub par, but it was still a good run out, and the team linked up together well, which is a good sign. I'm quietly optimistic about this season. The immediate goal is to get back in the top 4. And the immediate IMMEDIATE goal is to fix up the ownership issue. Not to "get it sold" but to get it sold to the right people. If LFC have learned anything, it's that proper due dillegence is necessary. It has been a strange off season, but the cllub is definitely in a better position than it was a few months ago.
That (Don't call him "Dean") Pacheco is going to be a hell of a player... :beermug:
Post by: kicker on August 06, 2010, 06:23:31 AM
He real turn around my perspective in the last two years... I eh shame tuh say ah eat well-seasoned crow.
Yeah he took a while to settle and appeared to be played out of position quite a bit when he was on the fringe... Not sure if Chelsea is the squad for him though- looks like it might be another bench scene...and at age 30, the next two/three seasons are pretty much his final song before entering the twilight.
Post by: Red Mango on August 06, 2010, 07:10:24 AM
Six offers isn't a bad situation to be in, even if it means waiting until January to really tie up the squad's players, Roy has a plan and the players (now) seem like they are enjoying playing again...
I wish them well...
Post by: dinho on August 11, 2010, 01:15:22 PM
Gerrard: Cole better than Messi
http://www.soccerway.com/news/2010/August/10/gerrard-cole-better-than-messi/ (http://www.soccerway.com/news/2010/August/10/gerrard-cole-better-than-messi/)
(GSM) - Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard has claimed that his new team-mate Joe Cole is better than Barcelona star Lionel Messi.
The creative duo of Cole and Gerrard are expected shine for the Merseyside club this season as they start their campaign at home to Arsenal on Sunday.
And the Reds skipper admits he has been "shocked" by the Anfield new boy's ability.
Speaking to Match of the Day magazine, Gerrard said: "Messi can do some amazing things, but anything he can do Joe can do as well, if not better. He used to shock us in training by doing footy tricks with a golf ball that most players can't even do with a football.
"I really fancy Joe for the [player of the year] award this season."
Gerrard has admitted that he has been enthused by Roy Hodgson's vision for the future of Liverpool.
The 30-year-old was frequently linked with a move away from Anfield this summer, but he has pledged his future to the club in the light of talks with the former Fulham chief.
"It's a great club and after speaking with Roy Hodgson I'm really pleased to see his plans for the club," he said. "It's a new era now - we must forget about the horror of what happened last season and get this club back to where it belongs, which is the Champions League at the very least."
Post by: D.H.W on August 11, 2010, 01:37:23 PM
this thread could use some comic relief...
Gerrard: Cole better than Messi
http://www.soccerway.com/news/2010/August/10/gerrard-cole-better-than-messi/ (http://www.soccerway.com/news/2010/August/10/gerrard-cole-better-than-messi/)
(GSM) - Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard has claimed that his new team-mate Joe Cole is better than Barcelona star Lionel Messi.
The creative duo of Cole and Gerrard are expected shine for the Merseyside club this season as they start their campaign at home to Arsenal on Sunday.
And the Reds skipper admits he has been "shocked" by the Anfield new boy's ability.
Speaking to Match of the Day magazine, Gerrard said: "Messi can do some amazing things, but anything he can do Joe can do as well, if not better. He used to shock us in training by doing footy tricks with a golf ball that most players can't even do with a football.
"I really fancy Joe for the [player of the year] award this season."
Gerrard has admitted that he has been enthused by Roy Hodgson's vision for the future of Liverpool.
The 30-year-old was frequently linked with a move away from Anfield this summer, but he has pledged his future to the club in the light of talks with the former Fulham chief.
"It's a great club and after speaking with Roy Hodgson I'm really pleased to see his plans for the club," he said. "It's a new era now - we must forget about the horror of what happened last season and get this club back to where it belongs, which is the Champions League at the very least."
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Post by: Red Mango on August 12, 2010, 04:17:37 AM
Liverpool enjoyed 17 clean sheets (only Manchester United and Chelsea enjoyed more shut-outs last season). With ten of the 17 recorded at home, and having only lost only three home games last season, Liverpool remain very difficult to beat at Anfield.
Post by: Bakes on August 12, 2010, 12:37:03 PM
By Soccernet staff
August 12, 2010
Javier Mascherano has revealed his intention to leave Liverpool is not due to a problem with the club but simply a personal desire to have a change from the English lifestyle.
Mascherano, 26, has made no secret of his wish to leave Anfield, with Inter Milan and Barcelona reportedly interested in acquiring his services. But speaking after Argentina's 1-0 win over Republic of Ireland, Mascherano insisted he has no issue with the Merseyside club - he just wants a new challenge.
"The only thing I want to say is I don't have nothing against the Liverpool supporters, the Liverpool people," he told Sky Sports. "My problem is not to play for Liverpool. I'm very proud to play for Liverpool. It's another thing.
"I said to him (new Liverpool manager Roy Hodgson) that maybe for my life I prefer to change the country, not to change the club - that is the fact. Sometimes you can see all the things that the papers or the press say, but at the end the only thing I can say is thank you to everyone in Liverpool because they supported me all the time, from the beginning until now.''
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=813802&sec=england&cc=5901
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Liverpool announce signing of Juve's Poulsen
By Soccernet staff
(http://soccernet-assets.espn.go.com/design05/images/2010/0804/christianpoulsenjuveaway20090930_275x155.jpg)
Liverpool have confirmed the signing of Juventus midfielder Christian Poulsen for a fee of €5.475 million. Poulsen, 30, joined Juventus from Sevilla in 2008 and made 33 Serie A starts in two seasons in Turin. He also anchored the Denmark midfield in all three of the country's appearances at the World Cup finals.
A statement from Juventus read: "Juventus Football Club can announce that it has completed the agreement with Liverpool FC for the outright transfer of Christian Poulsen for a fee of €5.475 million (£4.5 million) payable in two instalments.
"The fee will further increase by up to €1.2 million depending on his achievements during the contract period.''
Liverpool also confirmed the deal on their official website and revealed that Poulsen has signed a three-year contract with the Reds.
Roy Hodgson has recruited the player as a like-for-like replacement for Javier Mascherano, who revealed on Thursday morning that while he enjoys playing for Liverpool, he is keen to leave England for a new challenge. Both Inter Milan and Barcelona are known to be interested in the Argentina captain.
"It's a very special club both in England and worldwide," Poulsen told sporten.dk. "I'm incredibly happy to have joined.
"We'll see in the coming days what kind of shape I'm in. I obviously trained at Juventus, but as the move to Liverpool drew closer, I wasn't involved in training, and I haven't played the Europa League matches so I would still be available [for Liverpool]."
Poulsen joins Joe Cole, Danny Wilson, Jonjo Shelvey, Fabio Aurelio and Milan Jovanovic in joining Liverpool this summer, and his international colleague Daniel Agger expects him to be a success at Anfield.
"Christian would be a perfect addition to most of the big clubs in Europe, so he will certainly fit in here," Agger said recently. "He is a top player and will make us stronger. We need to have big signings so we can compete and he is one of those players.
"Christian will improve the team. But we need more improvements if we want to be at the top of the league this season."
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=813824&sec=transfers&cc=5901
Post by: Bakes on August 15, 2010, 11:04:18 AM
Post by: DeSoWa on August 15, 2010, 01:39:02 PM
Good game by Liverpool... if we play like this all season then things may not be as bleak as predicted. The new players, Jovanovic and Cole in particular played really well for us. We didn't get the deserved 3 points, but all in all it was a fair result against Arsenal. We totally shut down Arshavin, Chamakh and Nasri, while looking dangerous ourselves, even with Torres sitting out for precautionary reasons. Defensively we've gone away from that dotish-ass zonal marking on set pieces, and now have two men on the goal line to help Reina. Also, Johnson, Carragher, Skrtel and Agger are linking up nicely in the back. Only one game, but I like what I saw... pity it couldn't have been a W instead.
Nah, ah doh agree with that part...Nasri for the most part did what he was asked to do, the times that Arsenal was pressing he was the one making things happen from the middle...I think he was the only stand out player for Arsenal today...Eboue and Diaby was not too bad either. For some reason Arshavin always look tired :-\ but when he on he on. Chamakh need some more time to settle, but you can see he would be a big player for us.
Big Up!
Post by: Tenorsaw on August 15, 2010, 02:38:59 PM
Post by: Red Mango on August 16, 2010, 12:46:36 AM
Post by: elan on August 21, 2010, 12:12:32 PM
Post by: Trini Madness on August 21, 2010, 12:34:05 PM
Benayoun finally get a team he could score with. *Crap wrong thread*
steups :waiting:
Post by: Blue on August 26, 2010, 12:00:15 PM
Post by: Tenorsaw on August 26, 2010, 01:25:07 PM
Post by: Bakes on August 26, 2010, 03:00:29 PM
Good comeback, 'Pool. Up 2-1. Everyone knows Turkey is a hostile environemnt to play in, so I will take this win, with the significantly weakned side side we put out: no Torres, Gerrard, Agger, Maxi, Masch..
What's de deal with Maxi? Ah see he was on de bench whole game against City. Imagine we spend ah setta money on Aquilani and now yuh cyah even see him on de bench self. At least Kyrgiakos providing depth (even if just a body) in the back.
Post by: Blue on August 27, 2010, 02:49:06 PM
Good comeback, 'Pool. Up 2-1. Everyone knows Turkey is a hostile environemnt to play in, so I will take this win, with the significantly weakned side side we put out: no Torres, Gerrard, Agger, Maxi, Masch..
What's de deal with Maxi? Ah see he was on de bench whole game against City. Imagine we spend ah setta money on Aquilani and now yuh cyah even see him on de bench self. At least Kyrgiakos providing depth (even if just a body) in the back.
Aquilani was loaned to Juventus last weekend.
Post by: Bakes on August 28, 2010, 09:16:42 AM
Aquilani was loaned to Juventus last weekend.
I'm aware of this... you miss my point, he was supposed to be the replacement for Alonso and can't even self make the bench.
Post by: Trini Madness on August 28, 2010, 08:21:13 PM
Post by: Red Mango on September 04, 2010, 01:01:04 PM
Post by: Red Mango on September 07, 2010, 01:05:31 PM
Liverpool are keeping tabs on Holland forward Eljero Elia as Roy Hodgson looks to strengthen his attacking options.
Elia, who plays for German side Hamburg, is regarded as one of the most exciting talents in Europe and played an important role as a substitute as Holland reached the World Cup final earlier this summer.
Hodgson is monitoring the 23-year-old after missing out on a forward at the end of the summer transfer window.
The Liverpool manager wants to bolster his support options for star striker Fernando Torres after his late move for Bayern Munich frontman Mario Gomez fell through.
Elia, who can play as both a winger and a striker, is seen as a direct replacement for Ryan Babel, who himself is available for transfer and was close to moving to West Ham or Tottenham on deadline day.
Post by: Bakes on September 07, 2010, 04:08:26 PM
Post by: Red Mango on September 09, 2010, 10:50:21 AM
What is there to "monitor"? Elia is a clear upgrade to Babel, who I personally like but who has failed to distinguish himself with the chances he was given. Even Ngog come this season and thiefing he shine.
ent... Babel needs to stop tweeting... ::)
Post by: Tenorsaw on September 09, 2010, 11:56:39 AM
What is there to "monitor"? Elia is a clear upgrade to Babel, who I personally like but who has failed to distinguish himself with the chances he was given. Even Ngog come this season and thiefing he shine.
ent... Babel needs to stop tweeting... ::)
Stop Tweeting and rapping, and concentrate on playing good football consistently
Post by: Red Mango on September 09, 2010, 12:23:48 PM
What is there to "monitor"? Elia is a clear upgrade to Babel, who I personally like but who has failed to distinguish himself with the chances he was given. Even Ngog come this season and thiefing he shine.
ent... Babel needs to stop tweeting... ::)
Stop Tweeting and rapping, and concentrate on playing good football consistently
Dutch hip-hop yo... :rotfl:
What's up with that?... ::)
Post by: Red Mango on September 10, 2010, 06:16:00 PM
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/sport-news/liverpool-fc/2010/09/11/ryan-babel-has-three-months-to-save-liverpool-fc-career-55578-27245563/
and I quote... "ROY HODGSON has urged Ryan Babel to make the most of his latest Liverpool FC chance after hinting the Dutchman may have only three months to save his Anfield career.
Hodgson admitted yesterday that Babel would have left the club on transfer deadline day had he been able to bring in a new striker, with both West Ham United and Tottenham Hotspur potential suitors.
But the Anfield manager – who could renew his search for a forward in the January transfer window with the lack of backup for Fernando Torres – said: “For two years, Ryan hasn’t had much of a look in. He was brought in with a lot of pomp and ceremony after winning the European under-21 Championship.
“I saw him play several times there as I was working for UEFA. He was being chased by clubs all over Europe at that time.
“But since coming here he hasn’t fulfilled that potential. So when there were offers for him, we were prepared to allow him to go and speak to those but making it perfectly clear that other things would have to slot into place to allow him to go."
Post by: Tenorsaw on September 12, 2010, 10:15:43 AM
Post by: Bakes on September 12, 2010, 10:48:32 AM
Pepe Reina: World class. Talk done!
Only player out there in red worth talking about... well, that's being unfair to Konchesky who had a great debut before limping off. The rest of the squad has played uninspired football. Torres looks a shell of himself... how many games do you really need to get back in form? We missed Kuyt big time today.... not even sure what Maxi did all game other than play tentative football and make wayward passes.
If Birmingham had any class up front we woulda get level cutass today.
Post by: Red Mango on September 12, 2010, 10:57:09 AM
Pepe Reina: World class. Talk done!
Only player out there in red worth talking about... well, that's being unfair to Konchesky who had a great debut before limping off. The rest of the squad has played uninspired football. Torres looks a shell of himself... how many games do you really need to get back in form? We missed Kuyt big time today.... not even sure what Maxi did all game other than play tentative football and make wayward passes.
If Birmingham had any class up front we woulda get level cutass today.
ent...
Meireles looks lively... 0-0 I could live with dat, but 3 points would have been ideal....
Post by: Tenorsaw on September 12, 2010, 11:09:18 AM
Post by: boss on September 12, 2010, 11:27:14 AM
None of the big 4, Tottenham or Manchester City won at St. Andrews last season. This is not a bad result (even though it was an uninspiring performance).
This team will take time to gel. Roy will take time to figure out his best XI, and his best formation, so I think some patience and perspective might be required. :beermug:
P.S. I still maintain Glen Johnson is not a fullback.
P.P.S Reina. Best goalkeeper in the Premier League.
Post by: Blue on September 12, 2010, 11:44:58 AM
Remember, Torres really didn't have a season last year. He was hurt more than he played, then forced himself to come out early for the World Cup, when he really needed the summer to gradually regain fitness. He'll come good eventually. Some men on that team not fit to wear the shirt, and we need to get new owners before January.
You'll have new owners in a few weeks - The Royal Bank of Scotland
Post by: dinho on September 12, 2010, 12:11:01 PM
P.P.S Reina. Best goalkeeper in the Premier League.
:shameonyou:
Post by: Tenorsaw on September 12, 2010, 03:05:46 PM
P.P.S Reina. Best goalkeeper in the Premier League.
:shameonyou:
If not Reina, then who? He has been the most consistent over the last 5 seasons. His range on crosses is much better than when he first came to the EPL and his foot skills are the best out of any EPL 'keeper; he plays the ball like an outside player. He is also an excellent shot stopper.
Post by: Red Mango on September 12, 2010, 03:30:16 PM
P.P.S Reina. Best goalkeeper in the Premier League.
:shameonyou:
If not Reina, then who? He has been the most consistent over the last 5 seasons. His range on crosses is much better then when he first came to the EPL and his foot skills are the best out of any EPL 'keeper; he plays the ball like an outside player. He is also an excellent shot stopper.
Tenor... some fellas cyah see kwality hoss... dey mesmerized by Jose Mourinho's squad dat Carlo managing... Cech dat...
Post by: Bakes on September 12, 2010, 04:48:17 PM
Torres was with the Spain squad in the middle of last week in Argentina, which is ridiculous. How on earth could a national team go across the world for a friendly in the middle of the club season?
None of the big 4, Tottenham or Manchester City won at St. Andrews last season. This is not a bad result (even though it was an uninspiring performance).
This team will take time to gel. Roy will take time to figure out his best XI, and his best formation, so I think some patience and perspective might be required. :beermug:
P.S. I still maintain Glen Johnson is not a fullback.
P.P.S Reina. Best goalkeeper in the Premier League.
I not quarrelling with the result (I had Brum defenders on my fantasy squad so I know about them, especially after Jerome shock we last season).. I more taking issue with how we play. Getting 3 points there when the best we could do for the previous six games was come away with ties... was always going to be tough.
Point noted on Torres... I forgot about the friendly in Buenos Aires on Tuesday. I honestly hope that it's just taking time, but everything, from his runs, to his passes... to most shockingly, his touch.. has been ridiculously off. This has been so since the WC, his control and technique has really suffered as has his overall form.
Post by: dinho on September 12, 2010, 06:55:50 PM
P.P.S Reina. Best goalkeeper in the Premier League.
:shameonyou:
If not Reina, then who? He has been the most consistent over the last 5 seasons. His range on crosses is much better than when he first came to the EPL and his foot skills are the best out of any EPL 'keeper; he plays the ball like an outside player. He is also an excellent shot stopper.
The best keepers on current form in the EPL imo...
1. Van Der Sar
2. Hart
3. Cech
4. Friedel
5. Reina
On class, Van Der Sar is the best keeper in the league hands down.
Reina is overrated for my money. The defensive cover he was afforded by Rafa's pragmatic system covered up plenty cracks. His strongpoint is his reflexes which makes him and excellent shot stopper, and yes he's improved on his command of the pk box. But his ability on distance shooting i find to be suspect and he is prone to glaring lapses in concentration (see the last couple games) which for me rule him out of any kinda reckoning as a best keeper.
Yuh hardly ever see VDS let in a goal that he should have saved, forget the acrobatics and the single game heroics, that kinda consistency is the single most important factor of a world class keeper.
Post by: Bakes on September 12, 2010, 07:15:11 PM
The best keepers on current form in the EPL imo...
1. Van Der Sar
2. Hart
3. Cech
4. Friedel
5. Reina
On class, Van Der Sar is the best keeper in the league hands down.
Reina is overrated for my money. The defensive cover he was afforded by Rafa's pragmatic system covered up plenty cracks.
Rafa's "pragmatic system"... exactly what is that?? Because defensively Liverpool has been struggling the past 3 seasons or so, as evidenced by the rotating door around Carragher and Skrtel at the back. Is only since last season Agger has stepped up his play while Glen Johnson came to the squad and provided inconsistent play himself. Improvements at LB and RB has coincided with Carra's struggles last season so at no point was the defense providing the type of solid "cover" you're implying... yet Reina tied Cech with the most clean sheets last season (Liverpool's worst defensive showing in years) and is again near the top this season.
He perennially ranks near the top in terms of clean sheets while playing a high number of minutes (tied for most minutes played last season), faced 355 shots and let in only 35, including 4 penalties and 1 beach ball assist.
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His strongpoint is his reflexes which makes him and excellent shot stopper, and yes he's improved on his command of the pk box. But his ability on distance shooting i find to be suspect and he is prone to glaring lapses in concentration (see the last couple games) which for me rule him out of any kinda reckoning as a best keeper.
In which games did he suffer "glaring lapses in concentration"? City, when we played no defense whatsoever? Arsenal when he was battling the sun in his eyes among other factors? Or did he suffer a lapse in concentration today that we don't know about? Maybe he wasn't concentrating hard enough when he slipped on that clearance against Argentina midweek... right?
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Yuh hardly ever see VDS let in a goal that he should have saved, forget the acrobatics and the single game heroics, that kinda consistency is the single most important factor of a world class keeper.
And yuh hardly ever see Reina let in a goal that he should have saved... subjectivity of that statement aside, I'm not sure if it's even a valid accusation against Reina.
Post by: dinho on September 12, 2010, 07:35:35 PM
The best keepers on current form in the EPL imo...
1. Van Der Sar
2. Hart
3. Cech
4. Friedel
5. Reina
On class, Van Der Sar is the best keeper in the league hands down.
Reina is overrated for my money. The defensive cover he was afforded by Rafa's pragmatic system covered up plenty cracks.
Rafa's "pragmatic system"... exactly what is that?? Because defensively Liverpool has been struggling the past 3 seasons or so, as evidenced by the rotating door around Carragher and Skrtel at the back. Is only since last season Agger has stepped up his play while Glen Johnson came to the squad and provided inconsistent play himself. Improvements at LB and RB has coincided with Carra's struggles last season so at no point was the defense providing the type of solid "cover" you're implying... yet Reina tied Cech with the most clean sheets last season (Liverpool's worst defensive showing in years) and is again near the top this season.
He perennially ranks near the top in terms of clean sheets while playing a high number of minutes (tied for most minutes played last season), faced 355 shots and let in only 35, including 4 penalties and 1 beach ball assist.
Pragmatic system... not talking about the players. That is in short a defensive four protected by 2 deep lying defensive midfielders and helped out by hardworking wingers that often retreat to provide 2 waves of cover, plus often a 5th midfielder instead of 2 forwards. Rafa never sets up his team for all out attack and takes few risks.
Maybe you can go google a stat on goal attempts conceded by Liverpool in comparison to other teams in the league and then it would be instructive of the point im making about Reina's workload over Rafa's reign. Imo, as soon as Liverpool start regressing and the covers get pull off of Reina he was exposed.
In which games did he suffer "glaring lapses in concentration"? City, when we played no defense whatsoever? Arsenal when he was battling the sun in his eyes among other factors? Or did he suffer a lapse in concentration today that we don't know about? Maybe he wasn't concentrating hard enough when he slipped on that clearance against Argentina midweek... right?
Yes, a slip on a rudimentary clearance is a lapse in concentration. They crucify Paul Robinson for doing something a hundred times easier to justify than that. Forgetting the 'sun in he eye' excuse in the Arsenal game i talking about general observation of his play. The occasional comedy moments that he does drop on yuh, throwing the ball out to an opposing attacker, the occasional flapping that mightn't result in goals but as a keeper should be kept to a minimum.. I'm not saying he is not a very good keeper, I am just saying he eh up there with the best for me. Yuh doh see Buffon, Casillas, VDS, Given, Friedel and even Valdes doing dem ting with any kinda regularity.
QuoteHis strongpoint is his reflexes which makes him and excellent shot stopper, and yes he's improved on his command of the pk box. But his ability on distance shooting i find to be suspect and he is prone to glaring lapses in concentration (see the last couple games) which for me rule him out of any kinda reckoning as a best keeper.
Yuh hardly ever see VDS let in a goal that he should have saved, forget the acrobatics and the single game heroics, that kinda consistency is the single most important factor of a world class keeper.
And yuh hardly ever see Reina let in a goal that he should have saved... subjectivity of that statement aside, I'm not sure if it's even a valid accusation against Reina.
Of course its a subjective statement, there is no absolutes in an opinionated football discussion. I would disagree, I fed up see Reina let in goals that he couldve done much better with.
Post by: Bakes on September 12, 2010, 09:04:56 PM
Pragmatic system... not talking about the players. That is in short a defensive four protected by 2 deep lying defensive midfielders and helped out by hardworking wingers that often retreat to provide 2 waves of cover, plus often a 5th midfielder instead of 2 forwards. Rafa never sets up his team for all out attack and takes few risks.
Wow... I'm awed by your impressive command of strategic generalizations. Everything you say there is equally applicable to Chelsea (for instance) who will occasionally played Drogba up top by himself with 5 midfielders. The only difference of late has been Ancellotti's "diamond" formation which negates the reliance on wingers in favor of a compact midfield four supporting Drogba and Anelka up top. Before Ancellotti, much of your so-called "pragmatic system" was equally true of any of the big four, with Arsenal the notable exception.
I don't even have to get into analyzing ManU. to show how it applies to them as well... but "in short" a defensive four helped out by a deep lying Michael Carrick, with Scholes playing a more dynamic role, dropping back or pushing forward as necessary. The past several seasons Rooney and Ronaldo were up front, but often Ronaldo played just behind Rooney with Scholes and Carrick, and Anderson and Park on the wings, or berba and Giggs on the wings.
Not Ancelloti, nor Ferguson ever "sets up [their]team for all out attack and [take]few risks"
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Maybe you can go google a stat on goal attempts conceded by Liverpool in comparison to other teams in the league and then it would be instructive of the point im making about Reina's workload over Rafa's reign. Imo, as soon as Liverpool start regressing and the covers get pull off of Reina he was exposed.
No need for google... but since you asked for it http://www.thescore.com/epl/teams/0/goalie_splits?season_id=5&type=shots_faced&view_type=standard
Peruse that and you'll see that Reina's 355 shots faced was more than what both Cech (312) and Van der Sar (222) had to face. His save percentage (.098) is respectable when you look at Cech (.089) and Van der Sar (.058) save rates, relative to shots faced, and # of clean sheets... in other words, his save rate is lower, but not at all surprising given how many shots he faced compared to the other two... and pretty impressive given that he still managed to tie for league lead in clean sheets. All this DESPITE playing behind a very
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Yes, a slip on a rudimentary clearance is a lapse in concentration. They crucify Paul Robinson for doing something a hundred times easier to justify than that. Forgetting the 'sun in he eye' excuse in the Arsenal game i talking about general observation of his play. The occasional comedy moments that he does drop on yuh, throwing the ball out to an opposing attacker, the occasional flapping that mightn't result in goals but as a keeper should be kept to a minimum.. I'm not saying he is not a very good keeper, I am just saying he eh up there with the best for me. Yuh doh see Buffon, Casillas, VDS, Given, Friedel and even Valdes doing dem ting with any kinda regularity.
Robinson took his eye off the ball and get embarrassed by a clump of grass. Reina's plant foot slipped out from under him... how is that a "lapse in concentration"... he shoulda been concentrating more on the loose sod in the penalty box rather than looking upfield as he surveyed for a team mate to pass to? Yuh not making much sense here... sorry.
"throwing the ball out to an opposing attacker"?? Reina is widely acknowledged as one of the best distributor's of the ball in the EPL. Buffon, Casillas and Valdes... which EPL teams dem play for again?
Post by: dinho on September 12, 2010, 09:28:14 PM
Pragmatic system... not talking about the players. That is in short a defensive four protected by 2 deep lying defensive midfielders and helped out by hardworking wingers that often retreat to provide 2 waves of cover, plus often a 5th midfielder instead of 2 forwards. Rafa never sets up his team for all out attack and takes few risks.
Wow... I'm awed by your impressive command of strategic generalizations. Everything you say there is equally applicable to Chelsea (for instance) who will occasionally played Drogba up top by himself with 5 midfielders. The only difference of late has been Ancellotti's "diamond" formation which negates the reliance on wingers in favor of a compact midfield four supporting Drogba and Anelka up top. Before Ancellotti, much of your so-called "pragmatic system" was equally true of any of the big four, with Arsenal the notable exception.
I don't even have to get into analyzing ManU. to show how it applies to them as well... but "in short" a defensive four helped out by a deep lying Michael Carrick, with Scholes playing a more dynamic role, dropping back or pushing forward as necessary. The past several seasons Rooney and Ronaldo were up front, but often Ronaldo played just behind Rooney with Scholes and Carrick, and Anderson and Park on the wings, or berba and Giggs on the wings.
Not Ancelloti, nor Ferguson ever "sets up [their]team for all out attack and [take]few risks"
Chelsea and Manchester United play the same pragmatic brand as Liverpool.... ::) okay
QuoteMaybe you can go google a stat on goal attempts conceded by Liverpool in comparison to other teams in the league and then it would be instructive of the point im making about Reina's workload over Rafa's reign. Imo, as soon as Liverpool start regressing and the covers get pull off of Reina he was exposed.
No need for google... but since you asked for it http://www.thescore.com/epl/teams/0/goalie_splits?season_id=5&type=shots_faced&view_type=standard
Peruse that and you'll see that Reina's 355 shots faced was more than what both Cech (312) and Van der Sar (222) had to face. His save percentage (.098) is respectable when you look at Cech (.089) and Van der Sar (.058) save rates, relative to shots faced, and # of clean sheets... in other words, his save rate is lower, but not at all surprising given how many shots he faced compared to the other two... and pretty impressive given that he still managed to tie for league lead in clean sheets. All this DESPITE playing behind a veryleakyshitty defense last season.
Umm.. maybe he faced more shots than the other two because Van Der Sar and Cech were out injured for longer than he was over the season? My bad though, i should have been more specific and directed you to go google a per game average of shots per game fielded over the the seasons that spanned Rafa's tenure.
QuoteYes, a slip on a rudimentary clearance is a lapse in concentration. They crucify Paul Robinson for doing something a hundred times easier to justify than that. Forgetting the 'sun in he eye' excuse in the Arsenal game i talking about general observation of his play. The occasional comedy moments that he does drop on yuh, throwing the ball out to an opposing attacker, the occasional flapping that mightn't result in goals but as a keeper should be kept to a minimum.. I'm not saying he is not a very good keeper, I am just saying he eh up there with the best for me. Yuh doh see Buffon, Casillas, VDS, Given, Friedel and even Valdes doing dem ting with any kinda regularity.
Robinson took his eye off the ball and get embarrassed by a clump of grass. Reina's plant foot slipped out from under him... how is that a "lapse in concentration"... he shoulda been concentrating more on the loose sod in the penalty box rather than looking upfield as he surveyed for a team mate to pass to? Yuh not making much sense here... sorry.
"throwing the ball out to an opposing attacker"?? Reina is widely acknowledged as one of the best distributor's of the ball in the EPL. Buffon, Casillas and Valdes... which EPL teams dem play for again?
Its a lapse in concentration because one could argue that he move too casual or attack the ball at the wrong angle or wasn't positive enough about clearing and end up embarassing himself.. He certainly eh do himself no favors in that game to trouble Casillas from the #1 jersey and dem kinda plays doh get de kinda sympathy you willing to extend. It was a laughable error on his part. If you dont see the difference between that and the frankoment bad bounce that Robinson get then more power to you.
As for the keepers, I was just following on in general for people who like to put him up there as one of the best keepers in the world. But if you want to stick to EPL then the statement holds true for the keepers I mention that are ahead of him in an earlier post.
Post by: Bakes on September 12, 2010, 09:43:31 PM
Chelsea and Manchester United play the same pragmatic brand as Liverpool.... ::) okay
yeah.. I'm sure that's what I said.
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Umm.. maybe he faced more shots than the other two because Van Der Sar and Cech were out injured for longer than he was over the season? My bad though, i should have been more specific and directed you to go google a per game average of shots per game fielded over the the seasons that spanned Rafa's tenure.
Or maybe the Liverpool defense in front of him was just simply worse than the defenses in front of Van der Sar and Cech. But we know how ridiculous that sounds, so leh we just go with your "pragmatic system" theory instead.
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Its a lapse in concentration because one could argue that he move too casual or attack the ball at the wrong angle or wasn't positive enough about clearing and end up embarassing himself..
Or maybe little green men from Mars was dancing down on the Argentine endline and ketch he eye... distracting him from watching out for loose sod in the penalty box.
Post by: Blue on September 13, 2010, 04:03:13 AM
Pragmatic system... not talking about the players. That is in short a defensive four protected by 2 deep lying defensive midfielders and helped out by hardworking wingers that often retreat to provide 2 waves of cover, plus often a 5th midfielder instead of 2 forwards. Rafa never sets up his team for all out attack and takes few risks.
Wow... I'm awed by your impressive command of strategic generalizations. Everything you say there is equally applicable to Chelsea (for instance) who will occasionally played Drogba up top by himself with 5 midfielders. The only difference of late has been Ancellotti's "diamond" formation which negates the reliance on wingers in favor of a compact midfield four supporting Drogba and Anelka up top. Before Ancellotti, much of your so-called "pragmatic system" was equally true of any of the big four, with Arsenal the notable exception.
Chelsea have not played a 4-5-1 on any occasion since Ancelotti took over. 442 diamond or 433 every time. And they stopped playing the diamond since January.
Post by: Red Mango on September 13, 2010, 07:20:12 AM
Post by: Bakes on September 13, 2010, 08:11:07 AM
Chelsea have not played a 4-5-1 on any occasion since Ancelotti took over. 442 diamond or 433 every time. And they stopped playing the diamond since January.
That's nice to know... now go how about you going back and read what I actually wrote.
Post by: kicker on September 13, 2010, 08:25:20 AM
Cech making a comeback...he didn't inspire confidence for sometime after his head injury.
One of the most underrated keepers in the past 10 seasons is Bolton's Jussi Jaaskelainen...
Post by: Tenorsaw on September 13, 2010, 01:12:51 PM
Reina, Friedel, Van Der Sar, Given, Jaaskelainen
right outside: Joe Hart
Post by: Red Mango on September 15, 2010, 01:09:21 PM
Post by: Peong on September 15, 2010, 01:51:19 PM
I not seein their name anywhere, they have a bye to the nex round?
:devil:
Post by: boss on September 15, 2010, 02:06:31 PM
So who Pool playin in de Champions' League?
I not seein their name anywhere, they have a bye to the nex round?
:devil:
When you've won it five times, you can take a year off every so often ;D :beermug:
Post by: Red Mango on September 15, 2010, 02:13:02 PM
:beermug: :beermug:So who Pool playin in de Champions' League?
I not seein their name anywhere, they have a bye to the nex round?
:devil:
When you've won it five times, you can take a year off every so often ;D :beermug:
You tell 'em breds...
Post by: Peong on September 15, 2010, 04:53:02 PM
So who Pool playin in de Champions' League?
I not seein their name anywhere, they have a bye to the nex round?
:devil:
When you've won it five times, you can take a year off every so often ;D :beermug:
lol arright good one
Post by: Red Mango on September 16, 2010, 02:41:59 PM
Post by: Bitter on October 17, 2010, 10:03:52 AM
Post by: rotatopoti3 on October 17, 2010, 07:24:28 PM
It real SAD tuh see......I have to believe both team will stay above relegation and Liverpool above Everton when the final table standings are shown... ;D
Post by: Red Mango on October 17, 2010, 09:11:29 PM
Bitter yuh aint lie dey ....
It real SAD tuh see......I have to believe both team will stay above relegation and Liverpool above Everton when the final table standings are shown... ;D
ENT?!... YNWA
Post by: boss on November 07, 2010, 12:04:24 PM
- Lucas had his best match in a red shirt
- Torres back to his best
- Reina solid as usual
- The end of 4-2-3-1?
- Kuyt ran his socks off (as usual)
The fixture list looks very promising through the rest of the year. Feeling good. And well done to the team. :beermug:
Post by: Bakes on November 07, 2010, 12:14:33 PM
Defensively, I still prefer to see Agger in there with Carragher, Johnson and Skrtel, but Konchesky has been a great signing, Carra enjoying a mini revival... and Skrtel has been his usual rock solid self. Kelly filled in nicely today and we got great games out of Lucas and Meireles... even Maxi put in a mini-shift, even though he squandered a nice late chance off the pass from Ngog. I'm willing to say that we've rounded the corner with out play... and to an extent, we've only just started hitting our stride.
Post by: Reaper2004 on November 07, 2010, 01:58:19 PM
Post by: Bakes on November 07, 2010, 02:21:58 PM
said it once an i will say it again: Welcome Back Liverpool. Great win BnS y'all deserve it.
Thanks, we still have a ways to go... health, consistency for sure are still issues. But defensively we getting better, and with Torres back in form (not saying he's there yet) we'll be contending for Top Four again. Baby steps...
Post by: Tenorsaw on November 07, 2010, 02:43:40 PM
Roy plan finally starting to take hold... Glen Johnson has been out for a while now, Agger hasn't really returned to his old consistent self since his concussion three months ago, Torres just rounding back into form, Kuyt... threatening to surpass Dalglish and Macca as my favorite Red ever... coming back early from injury and assisting on Torres' goal... all these players have been out for long stretches. Seems like Roy was trying to weather the storm and not lose too much ground early by playing conservatively. The problem with that was that given our defensive struggles early that didn't leave much margin for victory.
Defensively, I still prefer to see Agger in there with Carragher, Johnson and Skrtel, but Konchesky has been a great signing, Carra enjoying a mini revival... and Skrtel has been his usual rock solid self. Kelly filled in nicely today and we got great games out of Lucas and Meireles... even Maxi put in a mini-shift, even though he squandered a nice late chance off the pass from Ngog. I'm willing to say that we've rounded the corner with out play... and to an extent, we've only just started hitting our stride.
Agger will not play any time soon. He is now behind Kyriagos, who seems to have even displaced Carragher to be the preferred central partner of Skrtel. He is the best passing center back that we have, but he needs to remaoin healthy to give himself a chance to displace one of those guys. Typically, Hudgson's coaching style takes a while to get accustomed to; his teams don't do well in the first season, but this is Liverpool, so he might not have that kind of luxury.
Post by: Bakes on November 28, 2010, 10:22:14 AM
EDIT:
Finally, a bit of luck this season... Skrtel off the scramble in the Tottenham box 1-0 Liverpool 42'
Only 4 goals and 5 pts away from Anfield this season... so nice to go ontopo on the road. To do it with only the second goal of Skrtel's Liverpool career, fortune might just be favoring us today.
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Very lively game... if not for all the right reasons. Very poor officiating by Martin Atkinson today... he's totally intimidated/influenced by the crowd. Spurs have gotten the benefit of every call, 50-50 balls called fouls on Liverpool... fouls on Liverpool given cards. By my count we've been carded 4 or 5 times already and it's only the 60'.
The latest was a Fabregas-esque handball called on N'gog in the wall... which was iffy to me. N'gog jumped with both hands straight up then bent his elbows as the ball came to his face. The ball hit his elbow and handball was given. The issue though was whether N'gog was in the box when he allegedly handled the ball, replays showed he was on the line with the ball hitting his elbows outside the box. Close call, but Atkinson never consulted his linesman. Made moot in the end b/c Defoe missed the penalty.
1-1 in the 70'
Spurs still pulled even as Modric forced the issue in the Liverpool box, forcing Skrtel into an own-goal. First time in EPL history that a player has scored on both ends in the same game.
Post by: Bakes on November 28, 2010, 12:01:17 PM
Bitter... bitter result. Good game for the neutral observer. Promising game for Liverpool... but we squandered too many chances and in the end our reluctance to pressure Spurs on the ball, the loss of Carra to injury and Spurs relentless second-half play, particularly the deep balls to Crouch, eventually conspired to cost us the game.
Post by: PantherX on November 28, 2010, 12:06:10 PM
Hell of a fightback today but I feel we pushing our luck now.....supporting Spurs is definitely not for weak hearts :D
Post by: kicker on November 28, 2010, 12:06:41 PM
First time in EPL history that a player has scored on both ends in the same game.
I heard the announcer say that it was the 1st weekend in EPL history that all teams scored... didn't hear that one- interesting.
Very good game and heartbreaking loss for the reds- neither team deserved to lose...but a 1-1 scoreline would not have done the game justice... so I guess something had to give.
Very impressed with Modric and Lucas- fierce small man battle in the middle of the field- Modric got the nod.
Post by: Peong on November 28, 2010, 12:11:51 PM
First time in EPL history that a player has scored on both ends in the same game.
Not quite. Hangeland did it for Fulham vs Man U this season.
http://www.goal.com/en/match/45986/fulham-vs-man-utd/report
Post by: Tenorsaw on November 28, 2010, 12:12:24 PM
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on November 28, 2010, 12:32:28 PM
cant wait for that
Post by: Bakes on November 28, 2010, 01:45:47 PM
First time in EPL history that a player has scored on both ends in the same game.
Not quite. Hangeland did it for Fulham vs Man U this season.
http://www.goal.com/en/match/45986/fulham-vs-man-utd/report
Likely that I heard wrong then :beermug:
As for drawing United... bring it on, we eh frighten, the team finally starting to play well, even if the consistency isn't there as yet.
Post by: Bakes on December 06, 2010, 04:04:23 PM
N'gog looked really dangerous and confident today though. I'm not sure if that's the result of playing against a bunch of largely second-team defenders or whether Hodgson's show of confidence in him by playing him as much as he has, is finally paying dividends. Whatever the reason, him and Babel really complemented each other nicely today.
Congrats to Pepe Reina as well... 100 clean sheets in 198 EPL games, more than half his games have resulted in clean sheets, yet he's never really mentioned among the list of top EPL keepers. Spectacular record to support his steady play and occasional spectacular reflex saves.
8th place and rising...
Post by: Red Mango on December 06, 2010, 06:00:07 PM
ah only hope Babel doh let dat goal go to he head doh... he'll be tweeting fuh months about dat...
3 points, 10 points off the top, the league is tight. Thanks Ged, for turning up.
YNWA
Post by: Bakes on December 11, 2010, 12:23:01 PM
1-0 at the half to Newcastle.
Post by: ANC2 on December 11, 2010, 12:28:11 PM
no attacking ideas what so ever. Maxi Rodriguez in my opinion not a Liverpool player
overated at every level
Post by: Bakes on December 11, 2010, 12:47:42 PM
Post by: Trini Madness on December 11, 2010, 01:05:46 PM
Much better start to the second half than was the finish to the first. Kuyt draws even off a lucky deflection off a Newcastle defender in the opening minutes of the second half. Liverpool really should be up 2-1 now after Torres failed to capitalize on a great 1 v 1 against the keeper.
yea torres shouldve capitalized on that...just a little 3 more inches to right it wouldve been good. liverpool slipping a little bit now they under pressure. im confident liverpool could pull off a win here.
Post by: Trini Madness on December 11, 2010, 01:22:04 PM
Post by: Bakes on December 11, 2010, 01:23:27 PM
Post by: kaliman2006 on December 11, 2010, 01:28:51 PM
Post by: Observer on December 11, 2010, 01:41:37 PM
Post by: boss on December 11, 2010, 01:44:32 PM
Roy has to go.
I agree. I don't think he is COMPLETELY to blame for current performances, but his away record is a joke. The January transfer window is coming up, and NOW is the time to get someone else in.
Roy joined a team in financial trouble and knew that he probably wouldn't have any money to spend. And he should be commended for that, and I am grateful. But it's time for him to move on. :beermug:
Post by: sammy on December 11, 2010, 04:32:13 PM
Post by: Daft Trini on December 11, 2010, 04:38:05 PM
Soon Torres will join Man Utd
Post by: sammy on December 11, 2010, 04:41:45 PM
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :devil: :devil: :devil: :devil: :devil: :devil: :joker: :joker: :joker: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel:
Soon Torres will join Man Utd
nah boy we cyah handle another owen......
Post by: Tenorsaw on December 13, 2010, 05:54:34 AM
Post by: Trini Madness on December 13, 2010, 01:30:21 PM
Hudgson has until Jan transfer window to sort it out. If not, he'll be gone, as new owners will not spend money on his transfers and then bring in a new coach who will not want them.
im hoping these owners turn things around really. they recently just turned the boston red sox into a bomb squad.
Post by: Tenorsaw on December 13, 2010, 01:39:52 PM
Post by: kicker on December 14, 2010, 02:14:10 PM
Gerrard, Xabi Alonso, and Torres were the backbone of the team in their most recent heyday. Gerrard isn't fit, Xabi is gone and Torres hasn't found form since before Summer... They don't even have a Benayoun type performer anymore (i.e. an unassuming but clutch player who doesn't hide when responsibility falls on his shoulders)... A big loss in the Summer transfer season.
People can call for the manager's head, but Hodgson is a good manager.... it's the (lack of real) quality on the field that is killing this team.
Post by: Bakes on December 14, 2010, 06:53:34 PM
Liverpool lacking quality. Simply put. Solid supporting-cast-type players but no consistent talisman. Even with a more celebrated manager they would be struggling.
Gerrard, Xabi Alonso, and Torres were the backbone of the team in their most recent heyday. Gerrard isn't fit, Xabi is gone and Torres hasn't found form since before Summer... They don't even have a Benayoun type performer anymore (i.e. an unassuming but clutch player who doesn't hide when responsibility falls on his shoulders)... A big loss in the Summer transfer season.
People can call for the manager's head, but Hodgson is a good manager.... it's the (lack of real) quality on the field that is killing this team.
Dirk Kuyt.
Incidentally, I wonder how Yossi feel about his move now :devil:
Post by: Observer on December 14, 2010, 07:02:00 PM
Post by: kicker on December 14, 2010, 10:31:32 PM
Dirk Kuyt.
Good call- doesn't seem like he's really taken off this season though.
Don't forget Macherano loss as well. He was an excellent screen for the back 4
Good call as well....
Post by: Bakes on December 14, 2010, 10:56:18 PM
Dirk Kuyt.
Good call- doesn't seem like he's really taken off this season though.
He hasn't... like most of our best players he's been in and out of the lineup due to injury, in his case a separated shoulder followed by damaged ankle ligaments. Other key injuries were to Gerrard of course, Torres, Glen Johnson (who only now coming back), Daniel Agger (concusssion and calf injury), Joe Cole (just coming back from a hamstring strain). All told we're in decent position to make a run at the top 4 during the second-half of the season, but we can't keep squandering opportunities like we did against Spurs and Newcastle.
Post by: Observer on December 15, 2010, 08:11:59 AM
Post by: Bakes on December 15, 2010, 10:31:29 AM
A coach does not become a poor coach over night. Roy had many issues outside of the team. Then you have to consider that this team was not built by him and quality was allowed to leave. All compounded by the injury issues. Everyone knows Liverpool want a EPL trophy, but dat eh happening this year. This is a good case where a club should stick with a manager and then rebuild.
I'm not on the "fire Roy" bandwagon, but some of his managerial moves have created questions though. Take this weekend for instance, he waited entirely too long to make changes in the second half when it was clear that the squad needed a spark. One thing I give him credit for is giving N'gog a chance whenever he could. The extended absence of Torres at times has facilitated that, but also pairing the two up top rather than isolating Torres by himself has yielded good chemistry between the two. All that said, I'm still not sure that he's the answer, but I agree that he should be given more time.
Post by: Boodsy on January 08, 2011, 08:24:50 AM
January 8, 2011
By ESPNsoccernet staff
Roy Hodgson has left Liverpool by mutual consent after a dismal seven months in charge, with Kenny Dalglish taking over as manager for the rest of the season.
Hodgson had been under pressure for some time and speculation over his future intensified after Wednesday night's 3-1 defeat at Blackburn Rovers. That left Liverpool in 12th, four points above the relegation zone.
The former Fulham boss was expected to face the media on Friday lunchtime ahead of Sunday's FA Cup showdown with Manchester United at Old Trafford, but the club pulled the plug on the scheduled press conference.
Liverpool face a crucial week, with a trip to Blackpool on Wednesday followed by the Merseyside derby against Everton an Anfield next weekend on the back of the game at United.
Hodgson had lost the supporters following a run of form which included defeats home defeats to Blackpool and Wolverhampton Wanderers, as well as losses at Newcastle United and Stoke City. Liverpool also suffered an embarrassing Carling Cup defeat to League Two strugglers Northampton Town at Anfield.
There has long been a clamour for Dalglish, who successfully managed the club to the Double in the 80s and won the Premier League title with Blackburn Rovers in 1995, to replace Hodgson at the helm. While the move is currently on a temporary basis it will be difficult to replace him should he transform Liverpool's fortunes.
In a statement on the club's website, principal owner John Henry said: "We are grateful for Roy's efforts over the past six months, but both parties thought it in the best interests of the club that he stand down from his position as team manager. We wish him all the best for the future.
"We are delighted that Kenny Dalglish has agreed to step in and manage the team for Sunday's FA Cup tie at Old Trafford and for the remainder of the season.
"Kenny was not just a legendary footballer, he was the third of our three most successful managers - three giants. We are extraordinarily fortunate and grateful that he has decided to step in during the middle of this season.''
Chairman Tom Werner said: "No one who cares for this great club has been happy with the way this season has unfolded and we have examined options and considered at length what is best for us going forward.
"Kenny will bring considerable experience to the position and provide management and leadership for the rest of the season.''
Hodgson said of his departure: "Being asked to manage Liverpool Football Club was a great privilege. Any manager would be honoured to manage a club with such an incredible history, such embedded tradition and such an amazing set of fans.
"Liverpool is one of the great clubs in world football. I have, however, found the last few months some of the most challenging of my career.
"I am very sad not to have been able to put my stamp on the squad, to be given the time to bring new players into the club in this transfer window and to have been able to be part of the rebuilding process at Liverpool.
"The club has some great, world-class players, with whom it has been a pleasure to work and I wish the entire squad well for the rest of the season.
"I thank those with whom I have built up a close working relationship at the club for their loyalty and support during very testing times, and finally of course to the Liverpool fans, your passion and dedication to the club will see Liverpool at the top of the game once more.''
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/862382/roy-hodgson-leaves-liverpool-by-mutual-consent?cc=3888 (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/862382/roy-hodgson-leaves-liverpool-by-mutual-consent?cc=3888)
Post by: boss on January 08, 2011, 10:56:32 AM
Post by: Bakes on January 08, 2011, 11:44:42 PM
• Hodgson: 'Last few months most challenging of career'
• Henry: 'Decision made in best interests of club'
Sean Ingle
guardian.co.uk,
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Roy Hodgson out, Kenny Dalglish in at Liverpool. Photograph: PA
Saturday 8 January 2011 11.15 GMT
Liverpool have announced that Roy Hodgson has left the club by "mutual consent" – and that Kenny Dalglish (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/jan/09/kenny-dalglish-liverpool) has been installed as caretaker manager until the end of the season.
Hodgson, 63, has been under severe presssure after losing nine out of 20 Premier League matches and bemoaning the lack of "the famous Anfield support". And, following the 3-1 defeat at Blackburn on Wednesday, the Liverpool principal owner, John Henry, finally decided to remove Hodgson this morning "in the best interests of the club".
"We are grateful for Roy's efforts over the past six months, but both parties thought it in the best interests of the club that he stand down from his position as team manager," he said. "We wish him all the best for the future."
In a statement Hodgson, who signed a three-year contract when he took charge at Anfield last July, admitted that he had found the "last few months some of the most challenging of my career".
He added: "Being asked to manage Liverpool Football Club was a great privilege. Any manager would be honoured to manage a club with such an incredible history, such embedded tradition and such an amazing set of fans. Liverpool is one of the great clubs in world football.
"I am very sad not to have been able to put my stamp on the squad, to be given the time to bring new players into the club in this transfer window and to have been able to be part of the rebuilding process at Liverpool. The club has some great, world-class players, with whom it has been a pleasure to work and I wish the entire squad well for the rest of the season.
"I thank those with whom I have built up a close working relationship at the club for their loyalty and support during very testing times, and finally of course to the Liverpool fans, your passion and dedication to the club will see Liverpool at the top of the game once more."
Dalglish, who managed Liverpool for nearly six years between May 1985 and February 1991 - winning the double in his first full season before leading the club to two further league titles and two FA Cup triumphs – will take immediate control at Anfield starting with tomorrow's FA Cup third-round tie at Manchester United.
Henry added: "We are delighted that Dalglish has agreed to step in and manage the team for Sunday's FA Cup tie at Old Trafford and for the remainder of the season. Kenny was not just a legendary footballer, he was the third of our three most successful managers – three giants. We are extraordinarily fortunate and grateful that he has decided to step in during the middle of this season."
Meanwhile the chairman, Tom Werner, reflecting on a dismal season which has included home defeats to Northampton Town in the Carling Cup and to Blackpool and Wolves in the Premier League, added: "No one who cares for this great club has been happy with the way this season has unfolded and we have examined options and considered at length what is best for us going forward. Kenny will bring considerable experience to the position and provide management and leadership for the rest of the season."
guardian.co.uk © Guardian News and Media Limited 2011 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jan/08/liverpool-roy-hodgson-kenny-dalglish)
Post by: kev on January 09, 2011, 01:47:34 AM
AS usual on Sky they went through the mid week games and Johnson got slated for his defending (or rather lack of it) for the Blackburn goals and his general defending this season. Merson made the usual poor defending etc along with everybody else and how Hodgson had tried to wake him up earlier in the season. Soon afterwards on Twitter.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1345323/What-twit-Liverpools-Glen-Johnson-astonishing-attack-Paul-Merson.html
What a twit! Liverpool's Glen Johnson in astonishing attack on Paul Merson
Liverpool defender Glen Johnson has launched an outspoken attack on Paul Merson after the former Arsenal midfielder criticised his attitude this season.
Merson, a pundit on Sky Sports' Soccer Saturday programme, was discussing the departure of Reds manager Roy Hodgson when he called Johnson's performances into question.
The England right-back, who trained with the rest of the squad at Melwood this morning ahead of tomorrow's FA Cup third round tie which will see the return of Kenny Dalglish as temporary boss, was obviously watching the programme.
And he chose to respond via his Twitter page.
'Comments from alcoholic drug abusers are not really gonna upset me and who is Paul Merson to judge players, he was average at the best of times,' Johnson wrote.
'The only reason he's on that show is coz he gambled all his money away. The clown!'
A number of people complained that Johnson had brought up Merson's former drug problems and the comments were soon deleted.
In response to the reaction to his previous comments, Johnson later wrote on Twitter: "I dunno wot all the hype is about.
'People who give their opinion all the time should accept that 1 day someone else will give their own opinion.'
Now Merson has well documented problems with drink and gambling which is fair enough, but one thing he was a very good player for a fair few years, average at best just doesn't cut it. Johnson should wish he is so average. (yes I know Merson is thick as mince)
Post by: Bakes on January 09, 2011, 07:35:37 AM
Post by: mukumsplau on January 09, 2011, 07:36:34 AM
Post by: D.H.W on January 09, 2011, 07:38:40 AM
Post by: Bakes on January 09, 2011, 07:52:44 AM
lame dive :-X , Say what, 1 nil i go take it.
Of course you will... allyuh men have no kinda shame whatsoever.
Post by: D.H.W on January 09, 2011, 08:05:41 AM
Post by: Bakes on January 09, 2011, 08:07:13 AM
Hail, hail Man U.
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on January 09, 2011, 08:24:04 AM
Lol... an absolute laugher.
Hail, hail Man U.
:beermug:
Post by: Mango Chow! on January 09, 2011, 08:49:13 AM
Post by: fari on January 09, 2011, 09:02:57 AM
Post by: boss on January 09, 2011, 10:41:58 AM
On to Blackpool... :beermug:
Post by: Observer on January 09, 2011, 10:54:19 AM
Post by: Bakes on January 09, 2011, 12:00:17 PM
Setting aside all the referee talk (agree with the Gerrard red card; penalty was a joke), I thought it was a good performance. I thought Kelly and Aurelio were excellent in the positions that have been most troublesome this season. Torres still looks rusty in front of goal, but he tracked back more and got more involved.
On to Blackpool... :beermug:
I thought the Gerard tackle was a yellow if anything. The commentators were making a meal of the "two-footed" talk, but watch closely and you'll see that his right foot was straight and a little off the ground, studs up... but his left leg trailed under the right, in contact with the ground at all times. This is the same ref who famously only saw fit to issue de Jong a yellow in the WC finals. Hard to really explain that discrepancy in a manner favorable to Webb.
All that aside as you said... I'm incredibly proud of the fight that the team showed. I like Konchesky, ties to Hodgson or not, but Aurelio played his ass off, and Kelly just about put Johnson on notice. I'm a huge Johnson fan... was ecstatic when we signed him... but there can be no more excuses now that the club has jettisoned Hodgson.
As for Torres... I dunno, he needs to turn it around. I don't really buy into the whole "body language" talk... but if I did I would say that his is poor. I seeing too much Stern creeping into his game... if pass ent perfect he can't be bothered... or lose the ball and he gives no effort to go after it. To be fair most of this I observed in the 20 mins before he was subbed off, so maybe it's just fatigue.
Post by: Red Mango on January 09, 2011, 01:55:29 PM
Post by: kev on January 10, 2011, 02:00:44 AM
Post by: Bakes on January 10, 2011, 03:11:57 AM
Babel in trouble with FA for putting an image of Webb in a Manu shirt on twitter, give above with Johnson I'd expect Liverpool to put a stop to it. God knows what he was thinking, has apologised but too late I think.
Of course he is, wouldn't want the truth to come out now, would we?
Post by: kev on January 10, 2011, 05:52:07 AM
Babel in trouble with FA for putting an image of Webb in a Manu shirt on twitter, give above with Johnson I'd expect Liverpool to put a stop to it. God knows what he was thinking, has apologised but too late I think.
Of course he is, wouldn't want the truth to come out now, would we?
Well if the rest of the league's players bar top 4/5 did the same we would have various refs in various strips on Twitter on a bi weekly basis at least. The lot get far too many decisions and are more sinners than sinned against and Webb is one of the worst offenders. Happened for years and will continue to happen while the rest grin and bear it.
Post by: Tenorsaw on January 10, 2011, 08:06:43 AM
Former Chelsea, West Ham and Newcastle assistant manager Steve Clarke has joined Liverpool as Kenny Dalglish's first-team coach.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/863608/liverpool-hire-ex-chelsea-assistant-steve-clarke-first-team-coach?cc=5739
Good news, fellas. We in the doldrums, but the new owners working. This was the man behind Mourinho at Chelsea. Now we need some players for him to coach.
Post by: JDB on January 10, 2011, 09:05:05 AM
Well if the rest of the league's players bar top 4/5 did the same we would have various refs in various strips on Twitter on a bi weekly basis at least. The lot get far too many decisions and are more sinners than sinned against and Webb is one of the worst offenders. Happened for years and will continue to happen while the rest grin and bear it.
Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal don't get calls...ONLY United.
Post by: Mango Chow! on January 10, 2011, 09:20:27 AM
Well if the rest of the league's players bar top 4/5 did the same we would have various refs in various strips on Twitter on a bi weekly basis at least. The lot get far too many decisions and are more sinners than sinned against and Webb is one of the worst offenders. Happened for years and will continue to happen while the rest grin and bear it.
Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal don't get calls...ONLY United.
:rotfl: Nah, JDB, I eh takin' dat! My Chelsea does get calls, too.....but not like manu. Sometimes I does really tink these officials 'fraid fergie go come and haunt dem in dey dreams or someting. lol!
Post by: JDB on January 10, 2011, 09:32:13 AM
Well if the rest of the league's players bar top 4/5 did the same we would have various refs in various strips on Twitter on a bi weekly basis at least. The lot get far too many decisions and are more sinners than sinned against and Webb is one of the worst offenders. Happened for years and will continue to happen while the rest grin and bear it.
Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal don't get calls...ONLY United.
:rotfl: Nah, JDB, I eh takin' dat! My Chelsea does get calls, too.....but not like manu. Sometimes I does really tink these officials 'fraid fergie go come and haunt dem in dey dreams or someting. lol!
Are you really in a position to make that call objectively? Or does your natural bias lead you to exaggerate the number of calls that United gets and minimize the number that Chelsea gets. What is the actual number of the the difference in calls between United and the other big clubs?
I will be the first to admit that United gets calls and wouldn't for a moment suggest that they getting less than the other big four but this meme that they get so many unjustified calls is overplayed and as Kev points out, laughable when it comes from Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal fans.
Post by: Mango Chow! on January 10, 2011, 10:10:31 AM
Well if the rest of the league's players bar top 4/5 did the same we would have various refs in various strips on Twitter on a bi weekly basis at least. The lot get far too many decisions and are more sinners than sinned against and Webb is one of the worst offenders. Happened for years and will continue to happen while the rest grin and bear it.
Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal don't get calls...ONLY United.
:rotfl: Nah, JDB, I eh takin' dat! My Chelsea does get calls, too.....but not like manu. Sometimes I does really tink these officials 'fraid fergie go come and haunt dem in dey dreams or someting. lol!
Are you really in a position to make that call objectively? Or does your natural bias lead you to exaggerate the number of calls that United gets and minimize the number that Chelsea gets. What is the actual number of the the difference in calls between United and the other big clubs?
I will be the first to admit that United gets calls and wouldn't for a moment suggest that they getting less than the other big four but this meme that they get so many unjustified calls is overplayed and as Kev points out, laughable when it comes from Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal fans.
lighten up, padnah. Nobody on here or anywhere short of any statistician's firm, contracted to do so, can come up with any stats. The officiating in the epl, imho, is terrible, relative to the product english football is purported to be and the marketing it gets. Everybody gets their fair share of bad calls, yes. But, from both a......quantitative and qualitative perspective, manu seems (and I always use the word "seems" eh) to get way more than their fair share of calls. and I am not being niased, Brother. When I see Michael Essien make some eye-popping tackles, I also see him get yellow and red-carded. Same with John Obi Mikel. More often than not, our playres get called on what they do. However, like I asked some of the (more biased) manu fans last week sometime, when did anyone ever see a Chelsea player drop-kick a man in he chest and the wounded man get a yellow card (for what, I STILL dunno) a-la the evans-Drogba incident last year. I don't recall ever seeing any of my players jump and kick man in the stomach and chest in mid-air and get away with it like ferdinand has been fashioned to do lately. I mean, come on, it gets really rediculous sometimes and it's not just the fans of the bigger teams that feel that way. Even in the most casual of conversations with random fans of the epl, whenever the subject comes up, most people will tell you that manu gets away with murder. As much as I hate manu, I am not as biased as you think.
Post by: kev on January 10, 2011, 12:02:23 PM
NO matter who you support the top 4/5 all get more than their fair share.
Off the top of my head from this season against Sunderland, Gerrard for his elbow only a yellow (Atwell hasn't had a game in teh EPL since) and Ivanonic yellow when a blatant red by anybodies rules. Both these were extremely blatant and most fans of other teams will be able to recall similar instances on an all too frequent basis. Its not just reds though, yellows are not given when should be aswell. Gerrard is a few of the Mr Untouchables, but I would of thought he was highlighted for a red after our game at the regular weekly ref meetings. Personally I do think Manu get away with more than the rest, but probably not as many people think.
Post by: kicker on January 10, 2011, 12:15:53 PM
Post by: Bakes on January 10, 2011, 01:56:51 PM
Clarke joins Reds revolution
Former Chelsea, West Ham and Newcastle assistant manager Steve Clarke has joined Liverpool as Kenny Dalglish's first-team coach.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/863608/liverpool-hire-ex-chelsea-assistant-steve-clarke-first-team-coach?cc=5739
Good news, fellas. We in the doldrums, but the new owners working. This was the man behind Mourinho at Chelsea. Now we need some players for him to coach.
Indeed... first positive development at Anfield in 3-4 seasons.
Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal don't get calls...ONLY United.
All home teams get calls, especially the so-called big four. However, you'd really be hard-pressed to make the case that ManU doesn't (in the least seem to) benefit from gigantic calls. I have never been one to really complain about officiating... the one exception being when Mike Riley jobbed us against Chelsea in the 2008 season opener (and the FA subsequently acknowledged his error by demoting him). I only start focusing my attention on Webb, and ManU in particular, starting with the derby against City last season. Great game, marred by dubious officiating which not unsurprisingly went in United's favor. Where there's smoke there's often fire, but I guess you United fans only seeing smoke of different colors.
Post by: elan on January 10, 2011, 02:31:37 PM
Post by: giggsy11 on January 11, 2011, 05:17:58 PM
Post by: Bitter on January 16, 2011, 09:24:52 AM
Post by: Bakes on January 16, 2011, 11:42:07 AM
Kenny the saviour ent looking too good right about now.
Anfield wasn't built in a day.
Post by: Bakes on January 18, 2011, 01:02:27 PM
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/reds-agree-babel-deal
Post by: Trini Madness on January 18, 2011, 02:37:45 PM
The fallout is complete... Liverpool sends Babel to Bundesliga side, Hoffenheim. Probably best for all concerned, Babel deserves more steady playing time, and Liverpool gets £6-7 million to pursue Luis Suarez, that damn cheat.
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/reds-agree-babel-deal
nah boy....first my liverpool gets owned by red sox owners (yes im a die hard yankee fan) i let it pass because they are good owners but now suarez??? steups...it eh have anybody else? >:(
Post by: MEP on January 18, 2011, 06:18:22 PM
Post by: Bakes on January 18, 2011, 06:57:07 PM
Ah wonder if Babel still have to pay the fine..or maybe it was included in the transfer fee
The club's obligated to dock it from his salary, it's not up to the player... so likely that would have been part of the deal as well.
Post by: Tenorsaw on January 19, 2011, 01:44:36 PM
The fallout is complete... Liverpool sends Babel to Bundesliga side, Hoffenheim. Probably best for all concerned, Babel deserves more steady playing time, and Liverpool gets £6-7 million to pursue Luis Suarez, that damn cheat.
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/reds-agree-babel-deal
nah boy....first my liverpool gets owned by red sox owners (yes im a die hard yankee fan) i let it pass because they are good owners but now suarez??? steups...it eh have anybody else? >:(
He is a cheat when playing for Uruguay, but I will take him at Liverpool. Will be a good foil for Torres. Look how he work with the target man Forlan in South Africa. Nice finisher too. ;D
Post by: Trini Madness on January 19, 2011, 03:04:40 PM
The Benfica defender has been linked with an Anfield switch in recent months, and has now revealed his personal feelings towards Kenny Dalglish's Liverpool side.
"I love Liverpool," Coentrao is re-quoted as saying on Live4Liverpool.
The 11 cap international also admitted that it was nice to be tracked by Real Madrid, and that being coached by the 'Special One' would be difficult to turn down.
"Who would not want to be coached by Mourinho?"
A product of the Rio Ave youth system, Coentrao joined Benfica in 2007. After three loans the following season, the player settled well into the Águias first team and has been a regular for the past two years.
Manchester United have also previously taken an interest in the player, and were again linked less than a week ago by the Daily Mail.
It is Liverpool who have been following the player more closely in recent months though, with scouts reportedly sent to watch the 22-year-old wingback at the Estádio da Luz.
Dalglish has been promised money to spend at Anfield by the club's new owners, NESV, and a left back is thought to be high on the Liverpool agenda in an effort to cover the under-performing Paul Konchesky.
The Reds would hope to negotiate a deal lower than the £20 million valuation, and Liverpool could face competition for the player were an offer for the highly-rated player accepted.
This story has been reproduced from today's media. It does not necessarily represent the position of Liverpool Football Club.
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/media-watch/coentrao-admits-anfield-interest
Post by: Trini Madness on January 19, 2011, 03:07:44 PM
The fallout is complete... Liverpool sends Babel to Bundesliga side, Hoffenheim. Probably best for all concerned, Babel deserves more steady playing time, and Liverpool gets £6-7 million to pursue Luis Suarez, that damn cheat.
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/reds-agree-babel-deal
nah boy....first my liverpool gets owned by red sox owners (yes im a die hard yankee fan) i let it pass because they are good owners but now suarez??? steups...it eh have anybody else? >:(
He is a cheat when playing for Uruguay, but I will take him at Liverpool. Will be a good foil for Torres. Look how he work with the target man Forlan in South Africa. Nice finisher too. ;D
:banginghead: ehhh fine...hopefully he will link up with torres on the pitch.
Post by: Bakes on January 20, 2011, 01:07:53 PM
Kenny on owners, Wolves and kids
20th Jan 2011 - Latest News
Kenny Dalglish previewed the Wolves clash, spoke about his talks with the owners this week and chatted about potential stars at the Academy in his weekly press conference at Melwood today. Here's what he had to say…
Journalist: Kenny, have you seen a big change in the players over the past few weeks since taking charge?
Kenny Dalglish: Well I wasn't here before I came in, obviously. As I've said many times before, I'm delighted with the effort that they have put into training and the matches. I haven't been disappointed in any way, shape or form. We've been delighted with the response in what they have been asked to do and the response to myself, Stevie (Clarke) and Sammy (Lee). As I say, I have nothing to judge it on from before.
Journalist: Even from day one has there been a big difference from the players?
From day one to yesterday there's been the same attitude from all of the players. Even last night we let Joe Cole and Danny Wilson have 45 minutes, so we could get them on a football pitch to see what they could do. Both of their attitudes, as well as Dani Pacheco who was involved in Sunday's squad, have been superb. Sometimes when you get so-called first-team players in the reserves you wonder if they could have done a little bit better, but the three lads I've mentioned did well and it was great for them. They are back in training with us this morning.
Journalist: There's been a lot of focus on you in particular recently, hasn't there?
Yes, there's been a lot of focus on myself, but if you speak as you find it you aren't going to mislead many people, are you? We have a huge responsibility to do our business in the way it has been done since I've known Liverpool FC, and that is in private. When we've got something to say we will come out and say it. There's a happy medium between us doing it that way and yourselves trying to get some coverage. But there is also a responsibility on both parts to make sure what is said is accurately quoted.
Journalist: Is it important to get back to that type of attitude that Bill Shankly instilled in the club?
Well it has never gone for me. It would be nice if we could get back to that, on the pitch especially.
Journalist: Do you feel the owners have brought that to the club, a clear direction?
I think there's a stabilisation with the new owners. Everyone had a great lift when they came in. It's a bit more stable than what it was before because everyone knows who owns the club now.
Journalist: Did you have a positive meeting with them. Did they outline the clear strategy they have for the future of the club?
They are good people. We had a positive meeting yesterday with John (Henry) and Tom (Werner) in which we discussed many things. One of them was obviously transfers. There's no problem with transfers. As long as we are responsible we can go and look for players, try to sign them and bring them in here. I'm not going to sit here and give you names or comment on every question that is asked about an individual player. We certainly won't talk about sums of money. Every time I go into the transfer market I am responsible and I will continue to be. I will try and spend the club's money as diligently as I would spend my own.
Journalist: One name that does keep cropping up, though, is Luis Suarez. Has there been any development with that?
I'd have thought you misheard me.
Journalist: What about Ryan Babel then, what's his situation?
Well, we've accepted a bid from Hoffenheim. Ryan is considering what he wants to do. That's his right. A transfer only goes through if three parties agree. He trained yesterday as if the conversation had not happened. There's no problem for us. If he's here there won't be any sulking, he'll be treated the same as everyone else.
Journalist: The chairman says you fit the criteria to stay in the job and Steven Gerrard has said he'll do all in his power to see you remain here long-term - it's looking quite good for you, isn't it?
It would do if we win some games. The sooner we start winning games the sooner we can look forward and upwards. I've really enjoyed being back. If other people are getting the same satisfaction out of it, then fine. But I'm sure we'll all be happier once we start winning games.
Journalist: You must have been particularly pleased with the first-half performance against Everton...
I think it's the same thing we've been saying all the time really, that in the first half the players played really well. The first 10 minutes of the second half was the only time we weren't in control of the game. It's up to us. We've got the ability. The performance will have given them great satisfaction, the result not so much. As we say, we keep trying to build up the belief in the players without making them complacent. I'm sure for 80 minutes on Sunday they will have been very pleased with the performance
Journalist: It was back to the old 'pass and move' wasn't it, which is great for the fans to watch...
It's great for the fans to watch and you can't underestimate their role in it as well. If the players know that the fans are behind them it doesn't half help them. Everyone has to play their role. We have to lift the fans. If the staff, the owners and everyone else sing from the same hymn sheet, which we are doing, then I'm sure we have happier days ahead of us. Pass and move isn't old fashioned, it's the Liverpool way. It's the way I was brought up and I don't think I could change. That's the way the players would like to play as well.
Journalist: The relationship between the fans and supporters has always been important but after everything that has happened in the past year, do you think that relationship is even more important?
The relationship between us and the supporters is of the utmost importance. We have to respect what they stand for and what they give the football club. We have to give them something back and the best way to do it is by getting wins on the pitch. There was a bit of uncertainty with the previous owners. John and Tom have come in and it's a lot more stable and acceptable to the supporters. We need to take into consideration what their thoughts are. I think they can see the club starting to move forward under the new owners. Everybody here wants the same thing and that's to win games. We can do that if we all stay together.
Journalist: How important is that first win for you?
Yes, it's important. I don't know how you evaluate how important but we'd love to get a victory. Even if we get battered and win 1-0 it wouldn't matter - it'd still be a great lift for everyone. If the players keep doing what they've been doing, a victory can't be far away.
Journalist: Do you see signs it'll come at Wolves?
I thought it might have come at Manchester United, at Blackpool, against Everton. We've been very encouraged by what the players have done.
Journalist: Liverpool's away form has been disappointing over the last 12 months or so. Do you intend to set the side up slightly differently?
We'll do what we think is best. The best way to play is a way that suits the players. We can't have a formation or an idea that doesn't suit the players, so we'll take them into consideration. But the principles of passing and moving won't change no matter how we play. The away form has been disappointing for everybody but I can't be held responsible for 12 months, can I?
Journalist: I wasn't suggesting you were...
[Smiles] We've done bad enough - we lost at Blackpool! But it's up to us, it's up to the players to come together and try and turn it around as quickly as we can.
Journalist: Is there a feeling amongst the players after the home game that you owe Wolves one?
Wolves played very well against us at Anfield. They were quite positive in how they approached the game and they won 1-0. If some people were disappointed with that result and that's what inspires them, then fine. But we'd want to win the game no matter what happened at Anfield. We'd still want to go to Molineux and win the game. Wherever you get the inspiration from is down to the individual.
Journalist: Can revenge be a healthy feeling for the players?
I suppose it could be but you'd need to ask them that - I can't speak for every one of them. Different things drive different people but winning games is the greatest feeling in the world. That's the biggest drive.
Journalist: Wolves' form has been quite good of late - they beat Liverpool and Chelsea and scored three at Man City last week. They're beginning to give a really good account of themselves, aren't they?
They were excellent last week at Man City, especially in the first half hour. Even when they went 4-1 down, which was a bit unfair I thought, they pulled it back to 4-3. If Mick McCarthy is in charge of a team they are not going to lie down, are they? They are going to work as hard as they can and we know that from first-hand experience. There are no games in the Premiership where you can rest a couple here or a couple there. They are all really difficult games.
Journalist: Has the away record surprised you over the last 12 months because of the quality of the players here?
Yes, it's surprising. The reasons why have yet to be fathomed. It's very unlike Liverpool not to have a good away record. Normally it's excellent. There are some things we've got to put right and that's one of them.
Journalist: How useful was giving Joe Cole 45 minutes last night for him and for you?
It's beneficial for everybody. It's all very well training, you still need a wee run about on the pitch. They wanted to stay on, both he and Danny Wilson. But they'd done enough. The way they applied themselves was excellent. We got them off before they got injured and now they can train with us this morning. Some people look at playing in the reserves as a punishment but that's not punishment. It was a necessity for everybody. If someone is going to be punished they will be told about it. Last night wasn't anything other than a very worthwhile exercise.
Journalist: Is it something you plan to use with other players to make sure everyone keeps getting action?
Yep.
Journalist: Are you expecting a similar approach from Wolves as what we saw at Anfield?
If I could give the teamtalk to Mick McCarthy's team then no! They would be much worse. But no, they'll be going into the game with a lot of confidence on the back of their performances recently. We've got to match up with them.
Journalist: How are you looking squad-wise?
Milan Jovanovic has been off ill so we need to have a look how he is and obviously Carra. Apart from that we're okay. That's the first time anyone's asked me about squads.
Journalist: How is it looking with Carra?
I think he's gone on record as saying February so that'll be when he's ready.
Journalist: You've seen some of the reserves this week and some of the youth teams. Liverpool fans are desperate for the next Steven Gerrard or Jamie Carragher, but are the younger sides looking in good health?
I wouldn't go and say there are any kids who played in the Youth Cup against Crystal Palace are going to be first team (yet) but the progress at the Academy in the last year and a half has been absolutely fantastic. That's great credit to Rafa who brought in Pepe Segura, Rodolfo Borrell and Frank McParland. He reorganised the whole Academy and you can see the benefit in the kids now. It's fantastic to see. The reserve team's average age has been drastically reduced. Whether we get them through or not, we'd never put that pressure on them, but we're clearly encouraged by the work that's being done there and it's a work in progress.
Author: Jimmy Rice and Paul Hassall at Melwood
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/kenny-on-owners-wolves-and-kids
Post by: Tenorsaw on January 20, 2011, 02:16:45 PM
Liverpool have been boosted in the race to sign Portuguese international left back Fabio Coentrao.
The Benfica defender has been linked with an Anfield switch in recent months, and has now revealed his personal feelings towards Kenny Dalglish's Liverpool side.
"I love Liverpool," Coentrao is re-quoted as saying on Live4Liverpool.
The 11 cap international also admitted that it was nice to be tracked by Real Madrid, and that being coached by the 'Special One' would be difficult to turn down.
"Who would not want to be coached by Mourinho?"
A product of the Rio Ave youth system, Coentrao joined Benfica in 2007. After three loans the following season, the player settled well into the Águias first team and has been a regular for the past two years.
Manchester United have also previously taken an interest in the player, and were again linked less than a week ago by the Daily Mail.
It is Liverpool who have been following the player more closely in recent months though, with scouts reportedly sent to watch the 22-year-old wingback at the Estádio da Luz.
Dalglish has been promised money to spend at Anfield by the club's new owners, NESV, and a left back is thought to be high on the Liverpool agenda in an effort to cover the under-performing Paul Konchesky.
The Reds would hope to negotiate a deal lower than the £20 million valuation, and Liverpool could face competition for the player were an offer for the highly-rated player accepted.
This story has been reproduced from today's media. It does not necessarily represent the position of Liverpool Football Club.
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/media-watch/coentrao-admits-anfield-interest
Feeling encouraged by these new owners. Werner come out big and bad and say he spending now, and will have funds to spend in the summer too. Now to get some good signings in.
Post by: Bakes on January 22, 2011, 08:47:45 AM
Liverpool playing their best football in 3 seasons, despite being forced to play on a cow pasture and despite some agricultural challenges by the Wolves players, befitting the grounds I suppose. Torres looks inspired... and Meireles in particular is having a great game. Lucas has never been a favorite of mine, but he's quietly having a very good season if you ask me. He's taken over that defensive presence that we had with Mascherano whils supporting Meireles and Maxi just ahead of him. This 4-5-1 under Dalglish is interesting but it fits with his short-passing game. The players finally seem to be settling in under his hand. Good to see Poulsen on the pitch.
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Liverpool 2: 0 Wolverhampton 50'
Incredible dipping volley from Meireles from 25 meters off a defensive header... great touch to get the ball to dip with pace into the upper left corner... as Macca said, 3 goalkeepers couldn't stop that. Liverpool playing with a nice rhythm to their game, and Meireles in particular is offering himself as the next Xabi perhaps... his passing has been fantastic this game. Second goal in as many weeks so maybe he's finally getting comfortable.
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Liverpool 3:0 Wolves- Final
Torres (36', 90+1'), Meireles (50')
Post by: Tenorsaw on January 22, 2011, 09:22:46 AM
Post by: kaliman2006 on January 22, 2011, 11:41:38 AM
Meirelles certainly offers more than Mascherano going forward. A good buy. Great shooting range.
Agreed. His second goal for Liverpool today was pure class. Just like the one against Everton last week.
This week's goal was better though.
Post by: fish on January 22, 2011, 01:01:39 PM
Post by: Bakes on January 22, 2011, 02:09:24 PM
Post by: doc on January 22, 2011, 04:38:41 PM
Martin Kelly is another one who's had a terrific run of games since Kenny took over. Will be interesting to see what happens once Carra returns... because Agger has also regained his job over Hodgson favorite KonchelskyGlen Johnson replaced Konchelsky.
Post by: Bakes on January 22, 2011, 04:54:10 PM
Martin Kelly is another one who's had a terrific run of games since Kenny took over. Will be interesting to see what happens once Carra returns... because Agger has also regained his job over Hodgson favorite KonchelskyGlen Johnson replaced Konchelsky.
Martin Kelly took Glen Johnson's spot at RB and Johnson was shifted to left. That shift to left moved Agger to left center half... Kelly effectively replaced Konchesky in the lineup.
Post by: Tenorsaw on January 22, 2011, 04:56:06 PM
Martin Kelly is another one who's had a terrific run of games since Kenny took over. Will be interesting to see what happens once Carra returns... because Agger has also regained his job over Hodgson favorite KonchelskyGlen Johnson replaced Konchelsky.
Question is where will Carra play, and will Johnson be allowed to carry on in defence, cause Kelly keeping that right fullback position. That is potentially England's future right back. Also, with Warnock supposedly on the way back to Anfield on loan, Johnson may be relieved of the left back position and benched, and eventually sold in the summer. He offers a lot going forward, but is not good defensively, and that is the honest truth. He is really a midfielder posing as a right back.
Post by: Bakes on January 22, 2011, 05:01:43 PM
Martin Kelly is another one who's had a terrific run of games since Kenny took over. Will be interesting to see what happens once Carra returns... because Agger has also regained his job over Hodgson favorite KonchelskyGlen Johnson replaced Konchelsky.
Question is where will Carra play, and will Johnson be allowed to carry on in defence, cause Kelly keeping that right fullback position. That is potentially England's future right back. Also, with Warnock supposedly on the way back to Anfield on loan, Johnson may be relieved of the left back position and benched, and eventually sold in the summer. He offers a lot going forward, but is not good defensively, and that is the honest truth. He is really a midfielder posing as a right back.
I beg to differ... his spot at RB for England attests to as much. He's had his struggles this season, but much of that could be attributed to injury and the overall poor form of the team itself. His speed on the wings defensively makes him too much of an asset to cut loose less than 24 months after being acquired. Plus he still is very young. Agger is a more likely candidate to be sold if Kelly does in fact cement his spot at RB... it's only been 5 games. As good as Carra has been for us he's not a long term solution, last season was easily his worst in a Liverpool shirt and the early season return to form to me isn't enough promise for us to be jettisoning a player like Johnson just to make room for Carragher on the field. Kelly, Johnson and Skrtel are my keepers.
Post by: fish on January 22, 2011, 06:15:04 PM
Martin Kelly is another one who's had a terrific run of games since Kenny took over. Will be interesting to see what happens once Carra returns... because Agger has also regained his job over Hodgson favorite KonchelskyGlen Johnson replaced Konchelsky.
Question is where will Carra play, and will Johnson be allowed to carry on in defence, cause Kelly keeping that right fullback position. That is potentially England's future right back. Also, with Warnock supposedly on the way back to Anfield on loan, Johnson may be relieved of the left back position and benched, and eventually sold in the summer. He offers a lot going forward, but is not good defensively, and that is the honest truth. He is really a midfielder posing as a right back.
I beg to differ... his spot at RB for England attests to as much. He's had his struggles this season, but much of that could be attributed to injury and the overall poor form of the team itself. His speed on the wings defensively makes him too much of an asset to cut loose less than 24 months after being acquired. Plus he still is very young. Agger is a more likely candidate to be sold if Kelly does in fact cement his spot at RB... it's only been 5 games. As good as Carra has been for us he's not a long term solution, last season was easily his worst in a Liverpool shirt and the early season return to form to me isn't enough promise for us to be jettisoning a player like Johnson just to make room for Carragher on the field. Kelly, Johnson and Skrtel are my keepers.
I think the man to bench will be Kuyt. Yes he is a work horse, but has not really been productive. Kenny says he is fielding the best 11 players on the field. If this is the case and Warnock comes in at LB, then GJ will move to RM.
Post by: Bakes on January 22, 2011, 06:28:30 PM
I think the man to bench will be Kuyt. Yes he is a work horse, but has not really been productive. Kenny says he is fielding the best 11 players on the field. If this is the case and Warnock comes in at LB, then GJ will move to RM.
Oh gawd nah... dai'z blasphemy. You benching Kuyt ahead of dat shitsnake Maxi Padriguez?
Post by: Tenorsaw on January 22, 2011, 06:54:04 PM
I think the man to bench will be Kuyt. Yes he is a work horse, but has not really been productive. Kenny says he is fielding the best 11 players on the field. If this is the case and Warnock comes in at LB, then GJ will move to RM.
Oh gawd nah... dai'z blasphemy. You benching Kuyt ahead of dat shitsnake Maxi Padriguez?
What annoying me bout Maxi is that right foot of his. It only good for balance.
Post by: fish on January 22, 2011, 07:10:11 PM
Post by: rotatopoti3 on January 22, 2011, 07:27:06 PM
Kuyt is ah workhorse and iz like 2 man on d field
Post by: fish on January 22, 2011, 08:00:55 PM
nah fish yuh talking tata.....Kuyt is a way better player than Maxipad....
Kuyt is ah workhorse and iz like 2 man on d field
Buh I admit d man is a workhorse and good but he not producing. All yuh not watching d man play.
Post by: Bakes on January 22, 2011, 08:43:41 PM
I think the man to bench will be Kuyt. Yes he is a work horse, but has not really been productive. Kenny says he is fielding the best 11 players on the field. If this is the case and Warnock comes in at LB, then GJ will move to RM.
Oh gawd nah... dai'z blasphemy. You benching Kuyt ahead of dat shitsnake Maxi Padriguez?
What annoying me bout Maxi is that right foot of his. It only good for balance.
LOL... tuh keep him upright yuh mean? Yuh see he wile voop today off de right foot? :rotfl:
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fish nah man, yuh looking tuh get yuh Anfielf passport raff. Kuyt producing in all kinda ways that stats don't necessarily capture. He playing defensive mid, he supporting in de hole right behind Torres... he playing up front as a second striker... up and down the wings... nah!
I bias because he's my favorite Liverpool player... but nah, even objectively speaking his hustle alone does both save we and keep we in games.
Post by: Coop's on January 23, 2011, 11:46:21 AM
Bakes,i must say i totally agree with you here,Kuyt is Liverpool,if you looking at a player that gives his all every game,that's one,sometimes i wonder what's his best position.
I think the man to bench will be Kuyt. Yes he is a work horse, but has not really been productive. Kenny says he is fielding the best 11 players on the field. If this is the case and Warnock comes in at LB, then GJ will move to RM.
Oh gawd nah... dai'z blasphemy. You benching Kuyt ahead of dat shitsnake Maxi Padriguez?
What annoying me bout Maxi is that right foot of his. It only good for balance.
LOL... tuh keep him upright yuh mean? Yuh see he wile voop today off de right foot? :rotfl:
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fish nah man, yuh looking tuh get yuh Anfielf passport raff. Kuyt producing in all kinda ways that stats don't necessarily capture. He playing defensive mid, he supporting in de hole right behind Torres... he playing up front as a second striker... up and down the wings... nah!
I bias because he's my favorite Liverpool player... but nah, even objectively speaking his hustle alone does both save we and keep we in games.
Post by: Bakes on January 23, 2011, 12:21:33 PM
Bakes,i must say i totally agree with you here,Kuyt is Liverpool,if you looking at a player that gives his all every game,that's one,sometimes i wonder what's his best position.
Coop's... totally agree. I think Kuyt's versatility is what's really kept him back from being a bigger star... even with the Dutch national team. I can't think of one other person in all of football (certainly not in England) who puts in a better shift than Dirk Kuyt. Never takes a play off and when you really check it, never puts in a wrong foot either. I can count on how many games I've personally watched (and between Holland and Liverpool that's a lot) where he's even been carded.
Post by: fish on January 23, 2011, 12:58:22 PM
I think the man to bench will be Kuyt. Yes he is a work horse, but has not really been productive. Kenny says he is fielding the best 11 players on the field. If this is the case and Warnock comes in at LB, then GJ will move to RM.
Oh gawd nah... dai'z blasphemy. You benching Kuyt ahead of dat shitsnake Maxi Padriguez?
What annoying me bout Maxi is that right foot of his. It only good for balance.
LOL... tuh keep him upright yuh mean? Yuh see he wile voop today off de right foot? :rotfl:
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fish nah man, yuh looking tuh get yuh Anfielf passport raff. Kuyt producing in all kinda ways that stats don't necessarily capture. He playing defensive mid, he supporting in de hole right behind Torres... he playing up front as a second striker... up and down the wings... nah!
I bias because he's my favorite Liverpool player... but nah, even objectively speaking his hustle alone does both save we and keep we in games.
I rel like d man. D man is class act and work rate second to none. He lose d ball and bet he'll run that down from one end to the next. But offensively on the wing, if they continue to play that 4-5-1, they'll need someone else that supplies better. That's all I saying. And Maxi shitting on heself, but he still producing more offensively than Kuyt. Remember one of our main problems is that offense and support up front.
Post by: Tenorsaw on January 23, 2011, 04:25:29 PM
nah fish yuh talking tata.....Kuyt is a way better player than Maxipad....
Kuyt is ah workhorse and iz like 2 man on d field
Buh I admit d man is a workhorse and good but he not producing. All yuh not watching d man play.
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Kuyt is having a substandard season. Work rate aside, he has been a real disappointment.
Post by: Bakes on January 23, 2011, 04:41:13 PM
Kuyt is having a substandard season. Work rate aside, he has been a real disappointment.
I trying to understand the criticism of Kuyt. Torres had 6 goals going into yesterday's game. There has been little consistency by any of our offensive players, little consistency on defense, meaning a lot of soft goals causing us to play from behind. We enjoyed only our second road victory of the season... yet allyuh men saying Kuyt of all people has been a disappointment? What has HE done, or not done that is the disappointment? I'm trying to understand what he has done to stand out as a disappointment.
Post by: Tenorsaw on January 24, 2011, 07:43:09 AM
Thirty-one passes for the third goal...over a minute and a half of possession. Real patience. Kuyt say training under Dalgish and Steve Clarke reminds him of the Ajax way: plenty of ball movemnet in tight spaces, along the ground as much as possible, positional work in small spaces.
Post by: Trini Madness on January 25, 2011, 01:02:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WntL_5hYjdI&feature=player_embedded#t=0s
Thirty-one passes for the third goal...over a minute and a half of possession. Real patience. Kuyt say training under Dalgish and Steve Clarke reminds him of the Ajax way: plenty of ball movemnet in tight spaces, along the ground as much as possible, positional work in small spaces.
lovely football. things are finally falling into place.
Post by: Bakes on January 25, 2011, 04:42:54 PM
Babel completes German switch
25th Jan 2011 - Latest News
Ryan Babel has brought his three-year Anfield career to an end by signing for German outfit Hoffenheim.
The Dutch winger has penned a two and a half year deal with the Bundesliga outfit with the option of a further year.
Everybody at Liverpool Football Club would like to wish Ryan the best of luck at his new club.
Author: Paul Eaton
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/babel-completes-german-switch
Post by: Peong on January 25, 2011, 04:49:01 PM
Post by: Trini Madness on January 25, 2011, 05:02:46 PM
First time Liverpool ever score a goal so. Congratsand it wont be the last
Post by: boss on January 25, 2011, 07:17:46 PM
First time Liverpool ever score a goal so. Congrats
You're wrong, but thank you. ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8CCaW7XukQ
Post by: Peong on January 25, 2011, 07:38:13 PM
First time Liverpool ever score a goal so. Congrats
You're wrong, but thank you. ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8CCaW7XukQ
Pool probably have done it more than twice. Still 11th place though
Post by: Bakes on January 25, 2011, 09:37:57 PM
Pool probably have done it more than twice. Still 11th place though
...and we'll win as many titles this season as Chelsea.
Post by: Peong on January 25, 2011, 11:19:16 PM
Allyuh sure yuh could pay Torres and Gerrard?
Post by: Bakes on January 26, 2011, 02:26:05 PM
Bright start by Liverpool... 0:0 Fulham 26'
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Divine justice... Pantsill bungles the ball into his own net trying to clear the Torres shot.
Liverpool 1:0 Fulham 53'
Post by: Tenorsaw on January 27, 2011, 07:25:14 AM
Post by: boss on January 28, 2011, 11:00:06 AM
LFC have agreed a fee of up to 26.5million Euros with Ajax for the transfer of Luis Suarez :beermug:
Post by: fari on January 28, 2011, 11:07:45 AM
BOOM!
LFC have agreed a fee of up to 26.5million Euros with Ajax for the transfer of Luis Suarez :beermug:
yeah but he coming to partner torres or to replace him?
Post by: boss on January 28, 2011, 11:15:06 AM
yeah but he coming to partner torres or to replace him?
That is the question...I suspect that if Torres goes, he'll go in the summer. It will be a nervous last few days of January though... :beermug:
Post by: Tenorsaw on January 28, 2011, 11:59:15 AM
yeah but he coming to partner torres or to replace him?
That is the question...I suspect that if Torres goes, he'll go in the summer. It will be a nervous last few days of January though... :beermug:
That's what I've been asking.
Post by: Bakes on January 28, 2011, 01:30:49 PM
BOOM!
LFC have agreed a fee of up to 26.5million Euros with Ajax for the transfer of Luis Suarez :beermug:
I won't soon forget how Suarez disgraced himself and the game in South Africa... but I don't necessarily mind the signing. That said, that's an awful lot of money being spent and for our sake I hope he's worth it. I will take whatever he can bring, but that don't mean that I have to cheer for him.
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on January 28, 2011, 01:45:47 PM
That is a big signing ... I'm jealous.. If yall manage to keep Torres which I'm sure will happen a front 2 of Suarez Torres spells danger with Gerrard and another CM in a 4-4-2
Not bad... I expect an even harder battle in March when we meet... should be epic
Post by: boss on January 28, 2011, 02:20:05 PM
by Matt Hughes, Tony Barrett
1 minute ago
Fernando Torres has told Liverpool that he wants to leave, a move that will only fuel Chelsea’s confidence that an improved bid will allow them to sign the striker before the transfer window closes at 11pm on Monday.
The Barclays Premier League champions are prepared to offer £40 million in cash plus Daniel Sturridge, the England Under-21 striker, whom Liverpool inquired about taking on loan last month.
Liverpool rejected a straight cash offer of £35 million for Torres on Thursday and maintain that he is not for sale, but Chelsea are hopeful of capitalising on the player’s disenchantment at Anfield to get the deal done.
The Spaniard has not issued a written transfer request but has made it clear in a phone conversation with club officials that he would like Liverpool to enter formal negotiations with Chelsea.
Liverpool’s official position is that Torres, 26, is not for sale, but they would consider cashing in if he is adamant he wants to leave.
Yesterday, the Anfield club agreed to sign Luis Suárez, the Uruguay striker, from Ajax in a deal that could be worth £22.8 million. Suárez was signed to complement Torres, but there are increasing concerns that the pair may never play together. Liverpool also had a £6.5 million bid for Charlie Adam rejected by Blackpool .
By confirming Chelsea’s bid on Thursday, Liverpool have effectively put the ball in Torres’s court by placing the onus on him to force through the transfer. It is understood that his contract includes a buy-out clause enabling him to leave for £50 million, which was introduced by the previous Liverpool regime but comes into force only at the end of the season.
The West London club had a £25 million bid for Torres, who would be available for the remainder of Chelsea’s Champions League campaign, rejected last summer. They remain in negotiations with Benfica over David Luiz and have offered £24 million plus Nemanja Matic for the Brazil defender.
Post by: boss on January 28, 2011, 05:40:13 PM
Post by: Bakes on January 28, 2011, 06:03:52 PM
LOL you from Ghana awa?
That is a big signing ... I'm jealous.. If yall manage to keep Torres which I'm sure will happen a front 2 of Suarez Torres spells danger with Gerrard and another CM in a 4-4-2
Not bad... I expect an even harder battle in March when we meet... should be epic
You ent quite figure out what the word "scruples" is yet so nutten you say really surprises... or interests me.
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As for Torres'... again, not to put too much stock in body language, but far too many times to me he seems disinterested or lacking motivation. Too many man shed blood and bust they ass in that uniform for him to disgrace it with a half-ass attitude. If he doesn't want to be with the club then fine... let him go somewhere else where his petulance would be tolerated.
Post by: Feliziano on January 28, 2011, 06:20:51 PM
I just wished the Club didn't broadcast he put in a request.
He is defintely on his way out, and you know the fans not going to forgive him.
I think I really have to drink some wine tonight..what a rough f**king week..steups
Post by: fish on January 28, 2011, 06:23:37 PM
Post by: Feliziano on January 28, 2011, 06:26:10 PM
was this a desperate attempt to show El Nino the new owners serious bout building a good team to challenge?
or they was worried if they get $50million for Torres that Suarez price woulda gone up also?
I have no problem with the Suarez signing..i just hope he hit the ground running and don't turn out to be some expensive flop who couldn't fit into the EPL.
Post by: doublet750 on January 28, 2011, 06:34:42 PM
who better than a manager who from his country and recruting a few spaniards and layers from la liga than RAFA. plus POOL such a storied club and a CL contender all he had to do was bring the goals in the league and surely he pulling the title.
HE SIGNS SCORES 26 in the PL and still no League.
kick on 3/4 years later and broken promises to improve the squad and much of the spaniards if not all are gone but himself and all he sees is broken promises and lies from the hierarchy.
THE REASON WHY POOL BROADCAST HIS REQUEST TO LEAVE IS SIMPLE....DAMAGE CONTROL.... NOBODY AT THE CLUB WANTED TO BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR SELLING EL NINO...SO BY LETTING THE FANS KNOW THAT ANY IMMINENT SALE IS A RESULT OF HIS WISHES THEY SPARE THEMSELVES AND ALIENATE TORRES.
UNLESS POOL CAN MANEUVER TO HANDLE THIS LIKE UNITED DID WITH ROONEY ....then torres is on his way.
Post by: Feliziano on January 28, 2011, 06:38:19 PM
yuh know I totally forgot that even had happened yes lol
UNLESS POOL CAN MANEUVER TO HANDLE THIS LIKE UNITED DID WITH ROONEY ....then torres is on his way.
It have some hope..I could relax a bit now :-\
Post by: Mango Chow! on January 28, 2011, 06:55:00 PM
Post by: doublet750 on January 28, 2011, 07:03:26 PM
mango doh stress drogba staying. i do think it means more of a bit part role for nico and sturridge is on his way to pool if torres comes ....which is a shame as sturridge is def one for the future.
Post by: Bakes on January 28, 2011, 07:08:58 PM
yuh know I totally forgot that even had happened yes lol
UNLESS POOL CAN MANEUVER TO HANDLE THIS LIKE UNITED DID WITH ROONEY ....then torres is on his way.
It have some hope..I could relax a bit now :-\
Me eh even know why you stressing it... Torres money book one way or another so I wouldn't get my liverstring tie up in all ah dat. Yuh couldn't find a bigger Torres supporter on this website than me, but when I see man giving indifferent effort on the pitch, compounded by official request to leave then is time to ride out. Torres ent the first player and 'Pool ent the first club. When I feel a fella get wronged I am the first to support, whether is my squad or not... like I think Pennant never really got a fair shake under Rafa. But we are a club with a winning history and a winning tradition... we eh no fly by night flash in de pan club. We just happen to run into a rough patch the past couple seasons.
In the past 5 seasons we've finished 3rd, 3rd, 4th, 2nd, 7th... and currently sit in 7th place again. We don't need fairweather fans and certainly don't need fairweather players. If he want to abadon ship when the sailing gets rough then it's best for all concerned to plant he ass in a lifeboat and set him adrift.
Post by: Trini Madness on January 28, 2011, 07:54:02 PM
btw what allyuh think bout the Suarez bid doubling up overnight from 12 to 24 million?
was this a desperate attempt to show El Nino the new owners serious bout building a good team to challenge?
or they was worried if they get $50million for Torres that Suarez price woulda gone up also?
I have no problem with the Suarez signing..i just hope he hit the ground running and don't turn out to be some expensive flop who couldn't fit into the EPL.
i think i remember reading somewhere on the liverpool website saying that ajax wanted 20+ million. i dont think the signing of suarez was to show up torres. i think it will be a good partnership up front. maybe torres will change his mind after this season? who knows?
with all the disliking of suarez aside, the guy was really a hustler at ajax. i hope we see the same thing here.
Post by: Mango Chow! on January 28, 2011, 08:40:12 PM
feliz sad to say it was more the MIGHT of fergie tht keep rooney. and rooney was more a spur of the moment thing torres has been borderline since rafa left in the summer.
mango doh stress drogba staying. i do think it means more of a bit part role for nico and sturridge is on his way to pool if torres comes ....which is a shame as sturridge is def one for the future.
Yeah, boss, I doh know why Chelsea lookin' to give up their future like dat....Abramovic too dam impatient man! :devil:
Post by: Blue on January 29, 2011, 12:56:30 AM
Club Statement: Liverpool FC have confirmed that Torres has this evening submitted a transfer request. The request has been rejected.
Boom Bang
This will be an interesting weekend....and if no deal happens, the fallout will be massive.
Sunday February 6: Chelsea vs Liverpool @ Stamford Bridge.....Torres to make his home debut? :o
Post by: Bakes on January 29, 2011, 01:04:21 AM
Boom Bang
This will be an interesting weekend....and if no deal happens, the fallout will be massive.
Sunday February 6: Chelsea vs Liverpool @ Stamford Bridge.....Torres to make his home debut? :o
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1385/1016152029_42a69f11ea.jpg?v=0)
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on January 29, 2011, 01:04:30 AM
Club Statement: Liverpool FC have confirmed that Torres has this evening submitted a transfer request. The request has been rejected.
Boom Bang
This will be an interesting weekend....and if no deal happens, the fallout will be massive.
Sunday February 6: Chelsea vs Liverpool @ Stamford Bridge.....Torres to make his home debut? :o
the plot thicken with that one.... wow that would be interesting
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on January 29, 2011, 01:06:19 AM
Post by: Blue on January 29, 2011, 01:11:09 AM
It is a sickening pictureI agree
Post by: giggsy11 on January 29, 2011, 08:47:23 AM
Post by: Tenorsaw on January 29, 2011, 08:56:29 AM
Post by: Bakes on January 29, 2011, 09:19:30 AM
Bakes.. remove that post na.. the comparison of Torres going to Chelsea with a baby basically dead dont go hand in hand... It is a sickening picture
You have a lot to learn... that is a Pullitzer Prize winning photograph son, if you do some research on it and find out the backstory and subsequent controversy arising from it, then you'd understand how appropriate it is a commentary on type of vulture behavior we seeing from Ryan and some of these Chelsea supporters.
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on January 29, 2011, 09:53:01 AM
Bakes.. remove that post na.. the comparison of Torres going to Chelsea with a baby basically dead dont go hand in hand... It is a sickening picture
You have a lot to learn... that is a Pullitzer Prize winning photograph son, if you do some research on it and find out the backstory and subsequent controversy arising from it, then you'd understand how appropriate it is a commentary on type of vulture behavior we seeing from Ryan and some of these Chelsea supporters.
ok mr sophisticated... why dont you go drink some wine and f**k off
Post by: Blue on January 29, 2011, 02:27:35 PM
Bakes.. remove that post na.. the comparison of Torres going to Chelsea with a baby basically dead dont go hand in hand... It is a sickening picture
You have a lot to learn... that is a Pullitzer Prize winning photograph son, if you do some research on it and find out the backstory and subsequent controversy arising from it, then you'd understand how appropriate it is a commentary on type of vulture behavior we seeing from Ryan and some of these Chelsea supporters.
Bakes, forget all dat Pullitzer bullsh!t, u really think its appropriate to post a picture of a dying child in a silly little football thread?
Post by: Bakes on January 29, 2011, 03:14:47 PM
Bakes, forget all dat Pullitzer bullsh!t, u really think its appropriate to post a picture of a dying child in a silly little football thread?
The child walked away after the photo was snapped yuh emotional twat... and yes, it is a perfect and appropriate way to sum up you deperate, predatory hyperventilating at the mere prospect of Torres joining Chelsea.
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Small Fag... I see yuh parents did a fine job raising you to be the little St. Fairies queer that yuh is. I actually surprised that yuh find enough time to crawl out SAF ass long enough to get on the computer.
Post by: Blue on January 29, 2011, 03:22:16 PM
The child walked away after the photo was snapped yuh emotional twat... and yes, it is a perfect and appropriate way to sum up you deperate, predatory hyperventilating at the mere prospect of Torres joining Chelsea
Are you trying to imply the picture was all a big joke? Whether or not the child walked away is irrelevant, the picture is sickening, and to use it as a flippant analogy in a football discussion is completely outta timin....I'm surprised the mods haven't deleted it, we dun know u go argue yuh ridiculous point into de ground.
Post by: Bakes on January 29, 2011, 03:27:17 PM
Are you trying to imply the picture was all a big joke? Whether or not the child walked away is irrelevant, the picture is sickening, and to use it as a flippant analogy in a football discussion is completely outta timin....I'm surprised the mods haven't deleted it, we dun know u go argue yuh ridiculous point into de ground.
1. No the picture wasn't "all a big joke".
2. If your bitch-ass that offended then go complain to the mods.
3. No need to argue anything when I can tell you to go eat a f**king dick.
...hope that not too outta timin.
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on January 29, 2011, 03:33:13 PM
I cannot believe you defending that pik with your life... you know it was a stupid comparison and we are right... the mods going to delete it and you going to look like even a bigger ass(if that was possible) trying to back it up
Comical stuff Bakes
Post by: Bakes on January 29, 2011, 03:59:12 PM
Remember what I said.. your Rafa and I'm Fergie... you crack up so easily... Fact
I cannot believe you defending that pik with your life... you know it was a stupid comparison and we are right... the mods going to delete it and you going to look like even a bigger ass(if that was possible) trying to back it up
Comical stuff Bakes
Little boy, you not even in the same universe as me so stop deluding yuhself with that "your Rafa and I'm Fergie" nonsense talk. As for the picture, there's nothing to "defend"... let alone defend with mih life... when the mods delete it come talk to me.
Post by: doublet750 on January 29, 2011, 05:37:33 PM
you cant get vex with ANY TEAM for seeing an opportunity to attain a WORLD CUP and EUROPEAN CUP winner about to hit his prime age. DO REMEMBER AMBRAMOVICH DOESNT GO AFTER YOU WITH BIG MONEY UNLESS HE KNOW YOU WANTED TO COME.
take that predatory shyt up with el nino.
resect to tenor and madness and d rest of d pool faithful....i have no problem doing battle in d league and competitions with or without torres .
Post by: Bakes on January 29, 2011, 05:55:02 PM
all this rab ?>? and bakes cool it nah hoss you talking bout the predatory nature of chelsea fans like alyuh pool men losing ah child to a vulture (just a reference of your metaphoric pic)....WHAT CARE ALYUH HAD FOR THE AJAX FANS...OR THE ATLETI FANS when ALUH BUY TORRES AND SUAREZ....NONE
you cant get vex with ANY TEAM for seeing an opportunity to attain a WORLD CUP and EUROPEAN CUP winner about to hit his prime age. DO REMEMBER AMBRAMOVICH DOESNT GO AFTER YOU WITH BIG MONEY UNLESS HE KNOW YOU WANTED TO COME.
take that predatory shyt up with el nino.
resect to tenor and madness and d rest of d pool faithful....i have no problem doing battle in d league and competitions with or without torres .
You's ah kinda jackass or what? Read my comments regarding Torres and you'll see where I stand with regards to him leaving... what part of that suggests to that I am vex about anything?? Ryan run in here salivating about Torres making a move this weekend and how if "if no deal happens, the fallout will be massive"... going so far as to speculate about Torres debuting for Chelsea against 'Pool and all kinda shit. THAT is what the all the vulture talk is about. Some ah allyuh men like oxygen doh reach allyuh head.
Post by: Daft Trini on January 29, 2011, 07:09:20 PM
Post by: elan on January 29, 2011, 07:40:58 PM
Chelsea blood money, rent boys, etc, etc. Business is business. Peace Out :rotfl:
Post by: Bakes on January 29, 2011, 08:10:12 PM
I don'tt care for Torres wearing the Blue........buut I love how alyuh biatches in agony. :devil:
Chelsea blood money, rent boys, etc, etc. Business is business. Peace Out :rotfl:
I eh go lie... Chelsea is the last team I want to see Torres go to... just like how I eh like how Yossi let Bosingwa stamp him in he back den to turn around ah go ride pine with Chelsea normel. I dislike Chelsea slightly more than I dislike United. But if that is whey Torres want to go then more power to him, it'll just give me more reason to root against allyuh extra hard.
Post by: doublet750 on January 30, 2011, 04:23:52 AM
WITH THAT SAID I JUST REALISE CHELSEA HAVE NOBODY HOLDING THE NUMBER 9 .....I HOPE THE SPANIARD SWITCH TO THE BLUES AND TEAR LOOOSE LIVERPOOL ASSSSS @ D BRIDGE ....he could retire after that ME AINT CARE :devil: :rotfl:
Post by: Bakes on January 30, 2011, 04:49:15 AM
yea yuh prove YOUR maturity when your first 5 words have expletives and my entire post contained none. no sense even studying people who lack a certain pedigree in their vocabulary especially since you are one who seem to fervently highlight the "youthful actions" of small mag.
WITH THAT SAID I JUST REALISE CHELSEA HAVE NOBODY HOLDING THE NUMBER 9 .....I HOPE THE SPANIARD SWITCH TO THE BLUES AND TEAR LOOOSE LIVERPOOL ASSSSS @ D BRIDGE ....he could retire after that ME AINT CARE :devil: :rotfl:
So "jackass"... and "ASSSSS" it have ah difference... or dat mean that your vocabular lacking "pedigree" too?
Gih we ah example of a vocabulary wid "pedigree" nah maestro? Apparently you does feed yours Purina.
Post by: boss on January 30, 2011, 11:13:07 AM
Fernando Torres
Torres is expected to be the subject of an improved bid by Chelsea on Monday
By Dan Roan
Sports news correspondent
Liverpool are likely to sell striker Fernando Torres before the transfer window closes on Monday if they can agree a £50m package with Chelsea.
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/51020000/jpg/_51020455_torres466282getty.jpg)
The Red could be open to a £40m cash deal plus Blues forward Nicolas Anelka, according to an Anfield source.
The Reds have already rejected a £35m bid from Chelsea for Torres, who was signed from Atletico Madrid in 2007.
The 26-year-old Spain striker's transfer request was turned down by Liverpool on Friday.
The Reds are angered by the timing of Torres' request - the January transfer window closes at 2300 GMT on Monday - and believe Chelsea have "tapped up" the player by encouraging him to express a desire to leave.
Torres has a £50m release clause in his contract, but this only entitles him to leave if the Merseysiders fail to qualify for the Champions League this season - so even if Chelsea offer a package of that amount, Liverpool believe they could still force him to stay.
Reds manager Kenny Dalglish and the club's owners see little point in forcing the striker to remain at Anfield against his will, but are determined to hold out for what they see as a more realistic bid - and what would be a British record transfer fee.
By submitting his transfer request at the very end of the window, Torres has made it very difficult for his club to find a replacement.
Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich is expected to submit an improved offer on Monday.
Despite reports, Liverpool are not interested in a deal involving 21-year-old Blues back-up striker Daniel Sturridge.
If Anelka is part of any package involving Torres being sold to Chelsea it would represent a return to Anfield for the 31-year-old French striker, who had a loan spell there in 2002.
Torres, who signed a six-year contract when he joined the Reds for £20m in 2007, has been linked with Chelsea before.
The west Londoners were reported to be interested in luring the Spaniard from Anfield in the summer of 2008 and made a bid in May 2010, but after helping Spain win the World Cup in June Torres pledged his future to Liverpool.
He said at the time: "My commitment and loyalty to the club and to the fans is the same as it was on my first day when I signed."
Torres notched three hat-tricks in his first season at Liverpool, scoring 33 goals in 46 appearances, and netted the winner as Spain beat Germany 1-0 to win the European Championship in 2008.
Hamstring injuries plagued him during the 2008-09 season but he still managed 17 goals in 38 games, while groin problems and knee surgery disrupted his 2009-10 campaign, although he still managed to find the net 22 times in 32 games.
Torres picked up a World Cup winners' medal with Spain but he failed to score during the finals in South Africa and pulled up with an abductor problem in the final, having come on as an 89th-minute substitute in the 1-0 victory over the Netherlands.
He has endured an indifferent 2010-11 season, scoring only nine goals in 26 games, and his transfer request came as Liverpool looked to have bolstered their attacking options by agreeing a £23m fee with Ajax for striker Luis Suarez.
Post by: Bourbon on January 30, 2011, 11:18:56 AM
Post by: Bakes on January 30, 2011, 11:24:50 AM
Liverpool right yes. Bleed dem for as much as yuh could get. A direct rival?
I think that's probably the most annoying part about it for me... but such is the business. Let's see if they want to put up or if they'll shut up.
Post by: boss on January 31, 2011, 09:04:00 AM
The Torres saga continues. :beermug:
Post by: Andre on January 31, 2011, 10:02:17 AM
chelski desperately need new blood.
Post by: Peong on January 31, 2011, 10:23:37 AM
Edit: And is £35 million eh not $35 million.
Post by: Andre on January 31, 2011, 10:29:31 AM
Only an English club would pay $35 mil for Andy Carroll. Madness.
wha yuh mean? dat ponytail alone worth at least $30 mil.
Post by: boss on January 31, 2011, 11:02:07 AM
Post by: Andre on January 31, 2011, 11:05:28 AM
1652: Wow. A twist in the Andy Carroll saga - and it's a biggie - despite reports earlier that Newcastle had accepted a Liverpool bid for the 22-year-old striker (see 1513), it seems they actually rejected the Reds' second offer too. Just SIX HOURS of the transfer window left for the two clubs to work that one out - and how much does it rely on Fernando Torres completing his move to Chelsea too. We will find out, soon enough...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/9380667.stm
Post by: Ngozi on January 31, 2011, 11:13:29 AM
Post by: boss on January 31, 2011, 11:25:48 AM
liverpoolfc.tv
31st Jan 2011
Liverpool FC confirmed this afternoon that Newcastle United had accepted a Club record offer for the transfer of Andy Carroll.
The Club have been given permission by Newcastle to discuss personal terms with the player, who will now travel to Liverpool for a medical.
Post by: boss on January 31, 2011, 11:31:10 AM
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on January 31, 2011, 11:31:45 AM
35 million is an investment if he stays for 6-8 seasons.. not bad business and with shirt sales and other revenue ventures that will be made back within 2 seasons
Great move... he's hungry and will give you in every game what Torres gave you for only 2 seasons... Heart (maybe not as much goals as Nando though ;) )
Post by: boss on January 31, 2011, 11:46:14 AM
Post by: Tenorsaw on January 31, 2011, 11:48:20 AM
And Stan Collymore just tweeted that Charlie Adam is on his to Liverpool too. I don't really trust him though :)
Man U tried to hijack this deal. Sir Alex gave Adams glowing marks after last week's games. Said he was worth 10 mil pounds. Read that he saw him as a potential replacement for Scholes.
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on January 31, 2011, 11:52:44 AM
And Stan Collymore just tweeted that Charlie Adam is on his to Liverpool too. I don't really trust him though :)
Man U tried to hijack this deal. Sir Alex gave Adams glowing marks after last week's games. Said he was worth 10 mil pounds. Read that he saw him as a potential replacement for Scholes.
haha Fergie helped his boy Holloway out... even today we were linked with him and ready to make a 10 million bid... Fergie prob pocketed a couple million quid
He is a good player but he is not our answer.. we need an attacking midfielder with mobility and a great passing range... Adam is too similar to our midfielders in Fletch, Carrick and Ando... we need Luka Modric.. guaranteed we will bid alot of money for him this summer
Post by: Andre on January 31, 2011, 11:58:29 AM
1737: About 10m people went rushing to check the official Liverpool website after that announcement at 1726... and have crashed it completely by the looks of things. We await confirmation of the fee, but Liverpool say it is a club record.
Post by: fish on January 31, 2011, 12:02:44 PM
And Stan Collymore just tweeted that Charlie Adam is on his to Liverpool too. I don't really trust him though :)
Man U tried to hijack this deal. Sir Alex gave Adams glowing marks after last week's games. Said he was worth 10 mil pounds. Read that he saw him as a potential replacement for Scholes.
haha Fergie helped his boy Holloway out... even today we were linked with him and ready to make a 10 million bid... Fergie prob pocketed a couple million quid
He is a good player but he is not our answer.. we need an attacking midfielder with mobility and a great passing range... Adam is too similar to our midfielders in Fletch, Carrick and Ando... we need Luka Modric.. guaranteed we will bid alot of money for him this summer
All yuh could try and pry Jenas. He career in d sewers right now.
Post by: boss on January 31, 2011, 12:12:14 PM
allyuh crash liverpool website.
1737: About 10m people went rushing to check the official Liverpool website after that announcement at 1726... and have crashed it completely by the looks of things. We await confirmation of the fee, but Liverpool say it is a club record.
From LFC's Head of Content:
Website traffic to www.lfc.tv has gone ballistic. New records set on Saturday have just been doubled in the last hour following Carroll news
Post by: Tenorsaw on January 31, 2011, 12:17:35 PM
And Stan Collymore just tweeted that Charlie Adam is on his to Liverpool too. I don't really trust him though :)
Man U tried to hijack this deal. Sir Alex gave Adams glowing marks after last week's games. Said he was worth 10 mil pounds. Read that he saw him as a potential replacement for Scholes.
haha Fergie helped his boy Holloway out... even today we were linked with him and ready to make a 10 million bid... Fergie prob pocketed a couple million quid
He is a good player but he is not our answer.. we need an attacking midfielder with mobility and a great passing range... Adam is too similar to our midfielders in Fletch, Carrick and Ando... we need Luka Modric.. guaranteed we will bid alot of money for him this summer
Thought Man U were going to do that last summer. Redknapp might be loathe to sell though, but every man has his price - even Torres! ;)
Post by: Andre on January 31, 2011, 12:22:00 PM
allyuh crash liverpool website.
1737: About 10m people went rushing to check the official Liverpool website after that announcement at 1726... and have crashed it completely by the looks of things. We await confirmation of the fee, but Liverpool say it is a club record.
From LFC's Head of Content:
Website traffic to www.lfc.tv has gone ballistic. New records set on Saturday have just been doubled in the last hour following Carroll news
look like they now running the 1996 version of liverpool.tv.
maybe they could start playing like back then again now.
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on January 31, 2011, 12:25:45 PM
SSN are still saying they understand Manchester United have matched Liverpool's bid for Blackpool's Charlie Adam.
I think he will choose Liverpool due to playing time... probably likes the idea of the rebuildign of the club etc...
lets just say I wouldnt mind if he went Pool ahead of United... as I said I dont think he is the answer.. he'd help but I rate Carrick, Fletch and Ando as I rate him... we need someone special.. in summer though
Post by: MEP on January 31, 2011, 12:34:18 PM
Post by: Tenorsaw on January 31, 2011, 12:40:34 PM
6.17pm:: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jan/31/transfer-window-deadline-day-live#block-204
SSN are still saying they understand Manchester United have matched Liverpool's bid for Blackpool's Charlie Adam.
I think he will choose Liverpool due to playing time... probably likes the idea of the rebuildign of the club etc...
lets just say I wouldnt mind if he went Pool ahead of United... as I said I dont think he is the answer.. he'd help but I rate Carrick, Fletch and Ando as I rate him... we need someone special.. in summer though
Ferguson like the man, but I am surprised that Adams is the only business he's looked to do during the window. Then again, Fergie said de man corners alone worth the 10 mil.
Post by: Blue on January 31, 2011, 01:01:14 PM
I eh go lie doh...dis is de most exciting deadline day in years :beermug:
Post by: kev on January 31, 2011, 01:12:02 PM
Drama... I honestly think it is a great buy... the kid is 21.. he has enormous potential, big strong, technically good, can shoot, head , pass
35 million is an investment if he stays for 6-8 seasons.. not bad business and with shirt sales and other revenue ventures that will be made back within 2 seasons
Great move... he's hungry and will give you in every game what Torres gave you for only 2 seasons... Heart (maybe not as much goals as Nando though ;) )
He has, but he also has an enourmous ego, forever in trouble, beats up men / women and this will make his already big head swell even more. I predict an ending in tears for this, he has Barton written all over him tbh.
Post by: Tenorsaw on January 31, 2011, 01:13:56 PM
Andy Carroll? We give yall £50m and daz what yall do wid it? :rotfl:
I eh go lie doh...dis is de most exciting deadline day in years :beermug:
Hottest young forward in the English game. Inflated price, if yuh ask me, but that is the norm with English players. Villa bought Bent for 24 milm, and I think Carroll has more upside potential, if he can knuckle down and not be distracted by the extracurricular. I'd have gone back with a second bid for Mario Gomes. We supposedly had a 16 mil bid rejected over the weekend. He's on fire, is a big target, and is only 25.
Post by: Blue on January 31, 2011, 01:18:49 PM
Andy Carroll? We give yall £50m and daz what yall do wid it? :rotfl:
I eh go lie doh...dis is de most exciting deadline day in years :beermug:
Hottest young forward in the English game. Inflated price, if yuh ask me, but that is the norm with English players. Villa bought Bent for 24 milm, and I think Carroll has more upside potential, if he can knuckle down and not be distracted by the extracurricular. I'd have gone back with a second bid for Mario Gomes. We supposedly had a 16 mil bid rejected over the weekend. He's on fire, is a big target, and is only 25.
£35m...kinda pricy just for potential...there was a time when that used to buy a ready-made star (Drogba, Berbatov, Torres (for Liverpool), Villa, Dzeko, Benzema, Robben, pretty much anyone). Carroll is a slightly better version of Kenwyne Jones, and he has the touch of a rapist (no pun intended)....when he leaves Liverpool, I doubt they will get more than £20m for him. Good luck though, time for Liverpool to start climbing the table, from next week. :beermug:
Post by: Andre on January 31, 2011, 01:33:42 PM
watch dem sign messi in a last minute billion dollar move.
Post by: Blue on January 31, 2011, 01:36:10 PM
wait nah...how come man city eh drop no more money yet?
watch dem sign messi in a last minute billion dollar move.
they have no more squad spaces, especially international slots...thats why everyone waited until Man City were finished.
Post by: Blue on January 31, 2011, 01:37:30 PM
Post by: Peong on January 31, 2011, 02:34:28 PM
Post by: boss on January 31, 2011, 02:46:09 PM
Luis Suarez has today completed his transfer from Ajax to Liverpool FC and signed a 5 and a half-year-deal that will keep him at Anfield until 2016.
The club agreed a fee of up to 26.5million Euros with Ajax for the transfer of the Uruguayan international on Friday.
The deal was subject to the completion of a medical, which the player has now passed.
Luis Suarez will wear the No.7 shirt for Liverpool.
Post by: Bourbon on January 31, 2011, 02:47:37 PM
Post by: boss on January 31, 2011, 02:48:29 PM
Post by: Blue on January 31, 2011, 02:52:52 PM
The Mirror is saying that the Adam deal will not go through...not sure why, but there are still a few hours left..
This late in the day, only BBC and Sky Sports News are reliable sources.
It may not happen, but both Ian Holloway and Charlie Adam were shown at Blackpool's ground not too long ago on Sky Sports News.
Post by: Andre on January 31, 2011, 02:59:15 PM
Post by: Blue on January 31, 2011, 03:20:03 PM
The Mirror is saying that the Adam deal will not go through...not sure why, but there are still a few hours left..
This late in the day, only BBC and Sky Sports News are reliable sources.
It may not happen, but both Ian Holloway and Charlie Adam were shown at Blackpool's ground not too long ago on Sky Sports News.
Blackpool chairman tells Sky Sports he's staying. Sky Sports also reported hearing 'heated exchanges' between Adam, Holloway and de chairman in a meeting a few minutes ago lol
Post by: boss on January 31, 2011, 03:39:21 PM
Even so, it's been a good day. :beermug:
Post by: Observer on January 31, 2011, 04:38:11 PM
Post by: boss on January 31, 2011, 04:55:05 PM
Post by: fish on January 31, 2011, 04:59:11 PM
Post by: Tenorsaw on January 31, 2011, 05:09:43 PM
Both he and Suarez. 5 and 1/2 yr deal.
We still need to splash out another 25 mil on a striker in the summer. I'd take Llorente or Mario Gomes. Hopefully, market will not be as inflated.
Post by: Blue on January 31, 2011, 05:12:51 PM
Time to go and figure out what all this means for my fantasy football side
Post by: TdotTrini on January 31, 2011, 05:25:35 PM
Post by: DeSoWa on January 31, 2011, 05:26:17 PM
Big Up!
Post by: Blue on January 31, 2011, 05:38:47 PM
Looks like it's a done deal...Torres is now part of the rent boys ;D
Big Up!
(http://www.chelseafc.com/javaImages/db/28/0,,10268~9382107,00.jpg)
Post by: D.H.W on January 31, 2011, 06:45:09 PM
Post by: Bakes on January 31, 2011, 06:56:52 PM
Post by: boss on January 31, 2011, 07:19:48 PM
Quote
"The target is to play for one of the top level teams in the world and now I can do it"
Time to move on.
Post by: giggsy11 on January 31, 2011, 07:33:13 PM
I'll tell you what. I was sad when McManaman left. And when Owen left. And when Alonso left. But NONE of them ever said anything as classless as what Torres said on Chelsea TV tonight:Quote"The target is to play for one of the top level teams in the world and now I can do it"
Time to move on.
Agreed! That was uncalled for-may be he playing for the right team after all! Wonder if anybody will come in hard on him on Sunday!
Post by: Bourbon on January 31, 2011, 07:36:03 PM
I'll tell you what. I was sad when McManaman left. And when Owen left. And when Alonso left. But NONE of them ever said anything as classless as what Torres said on Chelsea TV tonight:Quote"The target is to play for one of the top level teams in the world and now I can do it"
Time to move on.
Poor.
Post by: Peong on January 31, 2011, 07:37:01 PM
The man moved to Liverpool expecting to contend for the CL. Gerrard and co. ups and start to play shit. He right to move.
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on January 31, 2011, 07:45:50 PM
He wasnt the same player he was because of his frustration at Anfield... you got 50 million quid and just bought 2 exciting talents... and with that financial backing the new owners have it is time to start a new project
Your better off
Post by: Bakes on January 31, 2011, 08:05:52 PM
I'll tell you what. I was sad when McManaman left. And when Owen left. And when Alonso left. But NONE of them ever said anything as classless as what Torres said on Chelsea TV tonight:Quote"The target is to play for one of the top level teams in the world and now I can do it"
Time to move on.
If that is indeed what he said, then I hope the players snub him on the field. I'd be surprised if they do... but it would be nice if to a man they tell him to f**k off.
Post by: fish on January 31, 2011, 10:06:55 PM
Post by: Mango Chow! on February 01, 2011, 01:46:10 AM
I'll tell you what. I was sad when McManaman left. And when Owen left. And when Alonso left. But NONE of them ever said anything as classless as what Torres said on Chelsea TV tonight:Quote"The target is to play for one of the top level teams in the world and now I can do it"
Time to move on.
Agreed! That was uncalled for-may be he playing for the right team after all! Wonder if anybody will come in hard on him on Sunday!
I'll tell you what. I was sad when McManaman left. And when Owen left. And when Alonso left. But NONE of them ever said anything as classless as what Torres said on Chelsea TV tonight:Quote"The target is to play for one of the top level teams in the world and now I can do it"
Time to move on.
If that is indeed what he said, then I hope the players snub him on the field. I'd be surprised if they do... but it would be nice if to a man they tell him to f**k off.
Some o' allyuh does really get worked up over some petty shit, boy, especially for some men on here who does be quick to dismiss the whole football thing as something they could do without . Most players in this situation does have to do a politically-correct balancing act between not dissing their former team while likely feeling an obligation to show enthusiasm for the new one, all while in the middle of an emotional roller-coaster and while not necessarily having the greatest command of the English language. considering the heaping mess that rafa and the previous owners left this team in, who knows WHAT going on behind the scenes with this club. To his credit, Torres opend the interview by stating tha it was hard for him to leave liverpool and I doubt seriously that he intended in any way to slight the team. At the end of the day, evrebody involved in this sport invests their emotions in it but the fans are the only ones (for the most part) that don't have to balance their love for the game with having to treat it as a business. Our emotions aren't always going to be congruent with the actions of those people on the food chain spanning between the owners to the players.
All that being said, I can only imagine how hard it must be for some liverpool fans to see their once-storied franchise become nothing more than a feeder team for one of the biggest clubs in Europe, especially the one being labelled as the new evil empire of football. ( :heehee: Hmmmmm...let's see...we done swipe Benayoun and now Torres from dis shyte side....who else dey have? Ah wonder what Pepe Rena contract look like? :devil:)
Post by: rotatopoti3 on February 01, 2011, 02:25:14 AM
sell ah Pitbull tuh buy ah Pottong...
what ah waste ah flippin money....
i really hope i wrong...gosh what ah waste ah money.....we coulda buy Forlan or Gyan with dat money...
Post by: doublet750 on February 01, 2011, 07:44:13 AM
I'll tell you what. I was sad when McManaman left. And when Owen left. And when Alonso left. But NONE of them ever said anything as classless as what Torres said on Chelsea TV tonight:Quote"The target is to play for one of the top level teams in the world and now I can do it"
Time to move on.
Agreed! That was uncalled for-may be he playing for the right team after all! Wonder if anybody will come in hard on him on Sunday!I'll tell you what. I was sad when McManaman left. And when Owen left. And when Alonso left. But NONE of them ever said anything as classless as what Torres said on Chelsea TV tonight:Quote"The target is to play for one of the top level teams in the world and now I can do it"
Time to move on.
If that is indeed what he said, then I hope the players snub him on the field. I'd be surprised if they do... but it would be nice if to a man they tell him to f**k off.
Some o' allyuh does really get worked up over some petty shit, boy, especially for some men on here who does be quick to dismiss the whole football thing as something they could do without . Most players in this situation does have to do a politically-correct balancing act between not dissing their former team while likely feeling an obligation to show enthusiasm for the new one, all while in the middle of an emotional roller-coaster and while not necessarily having the greatest command of the English language. considering the heaping mess that rafa and the previous owners left this team in, who knows WHAT going on behind the scenes with this club. To his credit, Torres opend the interview by stating tha it was hard for him to leave liverpool and I doubt seriously that he intended in any way to slight the team. At the end of the day, evrebody involved in this sport invests their emotions in it but the fans are the only ones (for the most part) that don't have to balance their love for the game with having to treat it as a business. Our emotions aren't always going to be congruent with the actions of those people on the food chain spanning between the owners to the players.
All that being said, I can only imagine how hard it must be for some liverpool fans to see their once-storied franchise become nothing more than a feeder team for one of the biggest clubs in Europe, especially the one being labelled as the new evil empire of football. ( :heehee: Hmmmmm...let's see...we done swipe Benayoun and now Torres from dis shyte side....who else dey have? Ah wonder what Pepe Rena contract look like? :devil:)
mango boy somehow i swearr stevie G kinda thinking twice bout d time he coulda join chelsea and mourinho....who nows maybe he coulda won d CL with us just like he did with them (afterall we lost to pool in 2 semis and a final to united ).......but i sure he wouldnt come now...so either he giving up on ever wining a league title with pool or he going madrid if they come with a big offer
Post by: Mango Chow! on February 01, 2011, 08:08:07 AM
Post by: giggsy11 on February 01, 2011, 08:13:50 AM
I'll tell you what. I was sad when McManaman left. And when Owen left. And when Alonso left. But NONE of them ever said anything as classless as what Torres said on Chelsea TV tonight:Quote"The target is to play for one of the top level teams in the world and now I can do it"
Time to move on.
Agreed! That was uncalled for-may be he playing for the right team after all! Wonder if anybody will come in hard on him on Sunday!I'll tell you what. I was sad when McManaman left. And when Owen left. And when Alonso left. But NONE of them ever said anything as classless as what Torres said on Chelsea TV tonight:Quote"The target is to play for one of the top level teams in the world and now I can do it"
Time to move on.
If that is indeed what he said, then I hope the players snub him on the field. I'd be surprised if they do... but it would be nice if to a man they tell him to f**k off.
Some o' allyuh does really get worked up over some petty shit, boy, especially for some men on here who does be quick to dismiss the whole football thing as something they could do without . Most players in this situation does have to do a politically-correct balancing act between not dissing their former team while likely feeling an obligation to show enthusiasm for the new one, all while in the middle of an emotional roller-coaster and while not necessarily having the greatest command of the English language. considering the heaping mess that rafa and the previous owners left this team in, who knows WHAT going on behind the scenes with this club. To his credit, Torres opend the interview by stating tha it was hard for him to leave liverpool and I doubt seriously that he intended in any way to slight the team. At the end of the day, evrebody involved in this sport invests their emotions in it but the fans are the only ones (for the most part) that don't have to balance their love for the game with having to treat it as a business. Our emotions aren't always going to be congruent with the actions of those people on the food chain spanning between the owners to the players.
All that being said, I can only imagine how hard it must be for some liverpool fans to see their once-storied franchise become nothing more than a feeder team for one of the biggest clubs in Europe, especially the one being labelled as the new evil empire of football. ( :heehee: Hmmmmm...let's see...we done swipe Benayoun and now Torres from dis shyte side....who else dey have? Ah wonder what Pepe Rena contract look like? :devil:)
Yuh in yuh glory, eh?! Watcha! Finally all yuh have sometin tuh crow about! :devil:
Post by: Mango Chow! on February 01, 2011, 09:05:46 AM
Yuh in yuh glory, eh?! Watcha! Finally all yuh have sometin tuh crow about! :devil:
Nah, I, personally, is not one to crow and this season we have no reason to. I don't see us ketchin' allyuh shyte side. I WILL be in my glory, however, (1) when allyuh shyte side get eliminated from the CL and (2) when that day comes that my two teams in the Final: Chelsea and Barca. ;)
Post by: Peong on February 01, 2011, 09:39:01 AM
mango boy somehow i swearr stevie G kinda thinking twice bout d time he coulda join chelsea and mourinho....who nows maybe he coulda won d CL with us just like he did with them (afterall we lost to pool in 2 semis and a final to united ).......but i sure he wouldnt come now...so either he giving up on ever wining a league title with pool or he going madrid if they come with a big offer
Gerrard shoulda moved before. Who want him now? He washed up.
Post by: giggsy11 on February 01, 2011, 09:46:42 AM
Yuh in yuh glory, eh?! Watcha! Finally all yuh have sometin tuh crow about! :devil:
Nah, I, personally, is not one to crow and this season we have no reason to. I don't see us ketchin' allyuh shyte side. I WILL be in my glory, however, (1) when allyuh shyte side get eliminated from the CL and (2) when that day comes that my two teams in the Final: Chelsea and Barca. ;)
Thank you for the heartfelt and warm wishes, I know the come from a very deep reservoir just reserved for my shyte side! :devil: We will discuss my shyte side and your shittier at season's end. :beermug: enjoy!
Post by: giggsy11 on February 01, 2011, 09:49:25 AM
mango boy somehow i swearr stevie G kinda thinking twice bout d time he coulda join chelsea and mourinho....who nows maybe he coulda won d CL with us just like he did with them (afterall we lost to pool in 2 semis and a final to united ).......but i sure he wouldnt come now...so either he giving up on ever wining a league title with pool or he going madrid if they come with a big offer
Gerrard shoulda moved before. Who want him now? He washed up.
Arry and Spurs would take a punt on him. Sh!t if he was willing to sign Beckham, you know he would go in for Gerrard.
Post by: fish on February 01, 2011, 10:40:33 AM
mango boy somehow i swearr stevie G kinda thinking twice bout d time he coulda join chelsea and mourinho....who nows maybe he coulda won d CL with us just like he did with them (afterall we lost to pool in 2 semis and a final to united ).......but i sure he wouldnt come now...so either he giving up on ever wining a league title with pool or he going madrid if they come with a big offer
Gerrard shoulda moved before. Who want him now? He washed up.
Mourinho say he want Stevie G in Madrid.
Post by: Tallman on February 01, 2011, 01:12:48 PM
Looks like it's a done deal...Torres is now part of the rent boys ;D
Big Up!
(http://www.chelseafc.com/javaImages/db/28/0,,10268~9382107,00.jpg)
(http://images.smh.com.au/ftsmh/ffximage/2009/07/09/300bruno_review_090709095250815_wideweb__300x402.jpg)
Post by: giggsy11 on February 01, 2011, 01:21:43 PM
Looks like it's a done deal...Torres is now part of the rent boys ;D
Big Up!
(http://www.chelseafc.com/javaImages/db/28/0,,10268~9382107,00.jpg)
(http://images.smh.com.au/ftsmh/ffximage/2009/07/09/300bruno_review_090709095250815_wideweb__300x402.jpg)
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:-You had me dey for a minute- seperated at birth!
Post by: Observer on February 02, 2011, 07:34:28 AM
Post by: Cantona007 on February 02, 2011, 10:02:16 AM
Looks like it's a done deal...Torres is now part of the rent boys ;D
Big Up!
(http://www.chelseafc.com/javaImages/db/28/0,,10268~9382107,00.jpg)
(http://images.smh.com.au/ftsmh/ffximage/2009/07/09/300bruno_review_090709095250815_wideweb__300x402.jpg)
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:-You had me dey for a minute- seperated at birth!
He's half a man
He's half a girl
Torres, Torres!!
He looks just like a transvestite
Torres, Torres!!
:rotfl: :rotfl:
Post by: Touches on February 02, 2011, 10:05:27 AM
Meh Fantasy side look funny watching the jersey icon change.
Post by: fish on February 02, 2011, 02:04:47 PM
Post by: giggsy11 on February 02, 2011, 03:15:58 PM
Torres just not looking right with that blue jersey.
Meh Fantasy side look funny watching the jersey icon change.
He doesn't look right with a smile on his face or with dark hair! Blondes have more fun!
Post by: fari on February 02, 2011, 03:37:19 PM
Post by: Tenorsaw on February 02, 2011, 03:42:11 PM
suarez score on his debut
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De fella looks like he has a sniff for goal. Nice. That will relieve the pressure of getting your first goal. He is a good player. Just needs to be allowed to settle down.
Post by: Bakes on February 02, 2011, 08:49:43 PM
Great game by him... Meireles was a boss again.. Suarez showed some nice touches mixed in with some poor ones, he got lucky on the goal b/c he flubbed a clear chance. Taking nothing away from him though, great inspired first game for him.
Defense looks solid... granted Stoke only had Carew in the opposite half, but Kelly, Agger (Hodgson was a madman to be benching him), Skrtel and Johnson are starting to play well together... not sure who Carra supposed to start ahead of. Even if we end up not making a note at the end of the season, the confidence is creeping back into Anfield in almost 3 seasons.
Post by: fish on February 02, 2011, 09:34:54 PM
Post by: Bakes on February 02, 2011, 09:46:12 PM
Na boi. Remember Agger was startin on d but he had the concussion and they wanted to take time with him. Cuz he was startin on d left before dah Konshitky went on d left.
Agger was healed and wasting away on the bench long after he recovered from the concussion, and for a spell after the calf injury. You think is coincidence he suddenly get "healthy" as Kenny come in... and Konchesky gone to Forrest?
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Already the madness has started...
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Suarez, in fact, did quite a few things that Fernando Torres hadn't done at Anfield for quite some time. He worked tirelessly, tracking back almost as Wayne Rooney does. He played with width, refusing to wait for others to send him through balls, but instead creating for himself and others from the flanks. He was dynamic, hard-working, and positive -- both in approach and demeanor.
Torres' absence in and of itself, though, seemed to transform many of his former teammates for the better. Without Torres, Kuyt played with a well-defined role for the first time in forever, a situation that couldn't have suited him more. The squad gave up on longballing -- there was no surly forward waiting to be beaten in the air for them up the pitch. Instead, each midfielder looked far more creative and positive than most of their performances earlier this season had shown. In more ways than one, they looked like they were having fun.
I don't know that we are better off w/o Torres... but I agree wholeheartedly with the bolded. Enough of the hit and hope long ball and enough of the sulking, spoil brat behavior... waiting like Stern John for perfect pass to be served up on a platter and refusing to give effort on the occasional errant pass.
Post by: Tenorsaw on February 03, 2011, 03:38:55 AM
Can't tell me nothing about Dirk facking Kuyt... :notworthy:
Great game by him... Meireles was a boss again.. Suarez showed some nice touches mixed in with some poor ones, he got lucky on the goal b/c he flubbed a clear chance. Taking nothing away from him though, great inspired first game for him.
Defense looks solid... granted Stoke only had Carew in the opposite half, but Kelly, Agger (Hodgson was a madman to be benching him), Skrtel and Johnson are starting to play well together... not sure who Carra supposed to start ahead of. Even if we end up not making a note at the end of the season, the confidence is creeping back into Anfield in almost 3 seasons.
Love Carra, but he is no longer an automatic starter at center hallf, and there is no room to accommodate him as a wing back, because he is found wanting for pace.
Post by: rotatopoti3 on February 03, 2011, 05:11:06 AM
Reasons why I taking back my blast against him....
-he have ah deadly left foot
-he is ah good header of the ball
-good positioning
In 5 years time we could see him for 15 mill at least...if he live up to expectations...
Post by: Bakes on February 03, 2011, 10:09:59 AM
Love Carra, but he is no longer an automatic starter at center hallf, and there is no room to accommodate him as a wing back, because he is found wanting for pace.
Agreed... Carra has become limited physically, but he still reads the game extremely well and his positioning is seldom in question. I like the idea of a back five (or 3-2) of Skrtel, Agger and Aurelio... with Kelly and Johnson having the freedom up the wings that Kenny intended them to have yesterday, we still didn't take advantage of that enough... Agger came forward more than Kelly did. Lucas, Gerrad and Merieles are solid in the middle and will be going forward... they should complement a striking tandem of Carroll and Suarez.
At pain of sounding fanatical, there simply has to be room for Kuyt on the field though, he played very well at striker yesterday, harkening back to his days at Utrecht and Feyenoord. I think he'll pair well with Suarez over the course of the next few weeks... but where do you play him once Carroll is fit? Maybe drop him back to the middle and keep a backline of Johnson, Agger, Skrtel and Kelly?
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rotato... Andy Carroll is a quality player. He may not be ideal for the continental game, but for the EPL he's a very good player as the game fits his strengths. I'm not sure about the price tag... but Newcastle has been resurgent this season largely as a result of his exploits. Having him on my fantasy team this season means that I've had the chance to follow him each and every game. He's very much involved when fit and Liverpool's a better team than Newcastle, so hopefully that results in better opportunities as well.
Post by: Touches on February 04, 2011, 01:13:49 PM
By Olly Foster
In Jerez, Spain
BBC SPORT (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/football_focus/9384983.stm)
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Former England boss Hoddle watches his academy players
Fernando Torres sold for £50m, Andy Carroll and Luis Suarez bought for close to £60m; what business there was at Anfield on the last day of the transfer window - but spare a thought for Alex Whittle.
He was only six years old when he joined the Liverpool Academy and after 11 years, the club has decided that he is not going to make it at the highest level and let him go.
I met him this week at the Glenn Hoddle Academy (GHA), outside Jerez in southern Spain. He is the newest recruit at the former England manager's bootcamp for the game's 'rejects'.
"It looks really good. A really good complex," Whittle tells me over breakfast, wearing the same clothes he arrived in late the night before.
His luggage went missing but he still has his boots, which he says are the most important thing.
"I like to get on the ball and make things happen. I always wanted to be like Steven Gerrard. The last session at Liverpool was a bit emotional. My mum was a bit upset but it is about what's best for me. I'm a bit nervous but quite excited to see how it goes and see how I play.''
At 17, he is the youngest player at the GHA but looks so much younger. He epitomises the type of player that Hoddle and his network of coaches and scouts is looking for, late developers. But backing their own judgment over that of the clubs is a big gamble and expensive.
With about 25 players staying at the Montecastillo Golf and Sports resort, the GHA's headquarters, it costs over £1m a year to run.
Hoddle divides his time between the academy and media commitments in the UK, the day-to-day running of the operation left to Dave Beasant and Graham Rix. But there has been one major new development since the academy started three years ago.
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Academy hopeful Alex Whittle
Jerez Industrial is the city's oldest football club and was going out of business with some serious tax issues until the investors behind the GHA bailed it out to the tune of £160,000, not all the club's debt, but enough for it to survive. For now.
So what do the GHA get in return? Competitive football. They provide the players free of charge so the club can fulfil its fixtures in the fourth tier of Spanish football.
There are 18 regional divisions at this level, involving more than 350 clubs, so if the GHA team get promoted through an incredibly complicated play-off system, there are still another 100 clubs between them and Barcelona.
Match day at the appropriately named Estadio La Juventud (Stadium of Youth) is quite a change of culture, both for the players and the 200-odd supporters, who spread themselves out in the 8,000 seats for last weekend's defeat against Cadiz. Every player was from the UK or Ireland. The nickname Los Ingleses came quickly and easily.
"It's a first isn't it? It's nice and refreshing to see, as all the foreigners are coming to our country blocking off our English lads. We're doing this abroad!'' Hoddle joked, as we watched the match from one of the stands.
"Part of their development is to play competitively. Although there's only a small crowd here it's one step up from training, it's real football,'' Hoddle told me.
Whittle and some of the other academy members looked decidedly unimpressed as they watched from the stands. When their player registrations come through from the Spanish league, they will be in the squad for the next match.
Jerez Industrial president Juan Manuel Delgado has embraced this invasion.
"I think it's a good co-operation between the club and the academy," he said.
"They give us the players and we give them the club. There is a chance for the future stars of the Premier League in England, to play at this club. I hope all the players become stars one day in the Premier League.''
The fans, some of whom paid 10 Euros to watch the 2-0 defeat, are not happy at the moment, but it is hard to gauge whether that is because the GHA has hijacked the club for its own ends or the fact that they have lost four in a row and have slipped off the top of the league.
On balance it is probably the latter but the conflict is obvious. They want the club to do well, Hoddle wants the players to succeed and the club's own ambitions are secondary to that.
"They were going out of existence, so we've helped them. What we've got to do now is see if we can play well and do things,'' he told me in between barking the odd instruction at his players on the pitch or phoning Rix in the dugout with a bit of tactical advice.
"We've got to try and do both, help the club go up. I think if they go up it'll be a technically better league anyway which would help out!''
Scratch beneath the benevolent skin of the GHA there is a business that isn't even close to breaking even. Hoddle is very honest about that, but finances are not the root of his frustration at the moment.
"I get a little bit saddened really, I don't think we get any support from people back in England at all, I think, if anything, they're trying to block us. They are suspicious of what we're doing.
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The Stadium of Youth near Jerez
"People are questioning what we are doing. We haven't had that much help from certain institutes.''
The reference to 'institutes' is a broad swipe at the Football Association, the Professional Footballers' Association and certain clubs in the British game.
"It just baffles me that people think we are making millions of pounds. We're making a massive loss at the moment. I've never found anyone embracing what we are doing and trying to help us, but I'm a stubborn guy and we'll keep foraging forward.
"We are all about these lads' futures; their careers. I think there is a group here that can go a long way in football. I can understand that there are people out there who take advantage of young men and think of a pound note first but that's not we're about.
"It's helping the boys out, the ex-professionals who have been turfed out of the game, who we are taking in and developing and trying to get them back into football. There are people questioning it and they shouldn't. It's a part of their development. This is pure."
Hoddle says the investors behind the GHA are 'in it for the long term' but some return would keep them happy, which is why the past few weeks have been frantic. He spent most of transfer deadline day in a small room sitting next to a fax machine with his mobile phone hardly leaving his ear.
We're going to Slovakia next week to see if we can link the academy up with their FA. I wish our FA would think like that
Glenn Hoddle
By the end of the day, three Academy players were back in the English game; Ryan Burge to Championship side Doncaster, Ben Williamson at League One Bournemouth and Dan Spence has joined Blue Square Premier club Mansfield.
Small deals but a very big deal for Hoddle, proof that the system is beginning to work.
His passion for the project is still there but it's still peculiar to see Hoddle in this environment, a man who has played and managed at the very highest level. He says he has lost count of the number of job offers he has received and turned down since he started the academy.
"I'm happy with what I'm doing at the moment but if I get that feeling that I want to get back to that atmosphere on the bench then hopefully there'll be somebody out there who still wants my skills.
"In the future I think I could do an international job. We're going to Slovakia next week to see if we can link the academy up with their FA. I wish our FA would think like that.''
And what about 'our' FA, his former employers who have said they'd prefer an English coach to succeed Fabio Capello.
"In football you never say never,'' Hoddle smiles. "I'll send my CV off but I think it may be returned to sender somehow.''
Post by: Touches on February 04, 2011, 01:23:22 PM
You training and getting matches.
Hoddle selling yuh and making paper on your head, but yuh get another shot at yuh profession.
I think is a real good smart man idea. :devil:
The only thing is if the reject is a proper donkey...but yuh have to be at a certain level to be in a academy in the first place.
Post by: College on February 05, 2011, 10:02:41 AM
This is something...istead of going to "unnattached FC" you going to a small club in another country.
You training and getting matches.
Hoddle selling yuh and making paper on your head, but yuh get another shot at yuh profession.
I think is a real good smart man idea. :devil:
The only thing is if the reject is a proper donkey...but yuh have to be at a certain level to be in a academy in the first place.
So who yuh sending?
Post by: Bakes on February 05, 2011, 10:35:55 PM
Not sure how many of allyuh fellas turned onto this yet, but the latest was recorded mid-week following the Stokes game. Great discussion on some of the early struggles under Roy (this is the first podcast since November), the flurry of activity in and around the transfer window... and I think a fair treatment of Torres' departure (and of the man himself), and the immediate future of the team.
Post by: Bakes on February 06, 2011, 10:36:19 AM
Post by: kaliman2006 on February 06, 2011, 10:45:32 AM
Maxi Padriguez once again showing what a waste he is... wide open miss from 2 yards ::)
He has certainly been a huge disappointment
Post by: rotatopoti3 on February 06, 2011, 10:50:56 AM
Post by: Bakes on February 06, 2011, 10:51:29 AM
Maxi Padriguez once again showing what a waste he is... wide open miss from 2 yards ::)
He has certainly been a huge disappointment
I was happy when we sign him but he hasn't done anything in a Liverpool shirt other than to occupy space on the field. His right leg is useless, as indicated by that poor cross after Cole mistimed his attempt to intercept that late cross. 1-v-1 against the defender on the end line with half a step and you cross the ball into the side of the net. Ridiculous.
There have to be better options than him on the bench.
Post by: Bakes on February 06, 2011, 11:15:26 AM
Post by: Bakes on February 06, 2011, 11:24:29 AM
GOAL!!!!
Merielles.... 1-0 Liverpool 69'
Post by: D.H.W on February 06, 2011, 11:27:51 AM
Post by: kaliman2006 on February 06, 2011, 11:30:47 AM
...and off goes Benedict 'Nandoll
GOAL!!!!
Merielles.... 1-0 Liverpool 69'
He has certainly not been a disappointment. He has been in a rich vein of form recently.
Post by: Bakes on February 06, 2011, 11:37:32 AM
EDIT:
As I say that Glen Johnson pulls a John Terry... clear foul fo me. We lucky to get away with that the way some of these calls have been going.
Post by: Tenorsaw on February 06, 2011, 11:59:11 AM
Post by: Bakes on February 06, 2011, 12:05:06 PM
King Kenny is really restoring pride in the Reds. Anyone notice that regardless of how much pressure the defence is under, they are playing it out of the back on the ground? Plus, the counter attack is really quick and incisive. Dalgish has surprised me tactically too, although I'm sure Steve Clarke is driving a lot of that.
Taking some unnecessary risks at times in my mind though... but in general I like the tactic of keeping it on the ground.
Post by: rotatopoti3 on February 06, 2011, 12:07:26 PM
Post by: sammy on February 06, 2011, 12:10:12 PM
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on February 06, 2011, 12:29:45 PM
do the same vs Arsenal and City...
and on the 6th March..we will show everyone how to beat a 5-4-1 formation ;)
Post by: Tenorsaw on February 06, 2011, 12:33:34 PM
thanks
do the same vs Arsenal and City...
and on the 6th March..we will show everyone how to beat a 5-4-1 formation ;)
Small Mag...totally different by that time. I expect to see Suarez running off of Carroll by then. We played away from home. Had to close all dem channels that Chelsea like to exploit.
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on February 06, 2011, 12:37:09 PM
thanks
do the same vs Arsenal and City...
and on the 6th March..we will show everyone how to beat a 5-4-1 formation ;)
Small Mag...totally different by that time. I expect to see Suarez running off of Carroll by then. We played away from home. Had to close all dem channels that Chelsea like to exploit.
he played the 5-3-2 at home vs Stoke
guaranteed he'll play it vs United with Suarez Kuyt in attack... Carroll will still be in the treatment room then.. he was 5 weeks away from being match fit the day yall signed him
It will be a great tactical game..Fergie will probably go with a 4-4-2 with Berba Rooney supported by Nani and either Valencia or Giggs on the wings to stretch pool and keep Johnson and Kelly on their toes
Post by: Ngozi on February 06, 2011, 12:48:07 PM
Post by: boss on February 06, 2011, 01:51:28 PM
Credit has to go to Lucas, who is unrecognisable from the Lucas who joined the club in 2007. And two good points here by Tenorsaw:
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Anyone notice that regardless of how much pressure the defence is under, they are playing it out of the back on the ground? Plus, the counter attack is really quick and incisive.
It's interesting how the squad suddenly looks really deep all of a sudden. Joe Cole is injured and will be back soon. Suarez didn't start today. Carroll still to come. Pacheco will get his chance soon. Thank you, King Kenny! :beermug:
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(http://i.imgur.com/2p507.gif)
Post by: Red Mango on February 06, 2011, 02:26:04 PM
Long Live The King ;D
1-0 at the Bridge
YNWA
Post by: Trini Madness on February 06, 2011, 04:02:39 PM
edit: nevermind i finally found highlights. great win liverpool!!!
(http://i.imgur.com/2p507.gif)
muhahahaha lovely
Post by: elan on February 06, 2011, 08:50:57 PM
Post by: Feliziano on February 07, 2011, 05:41:10 AM
Good victory..but Maxi is a waste lol
allyuh think we go sell Insua and Aquillani or Kenny go give them a chance?
Post by: Bakes on February 07, 2011, 10:22:49 AM
Torres really don't look good in blue lol
Good victory..but Maxi is a waste lol
allyuh think we go sell Insua and Aquillani or Kenny go give them a chance?
Aquilani ent coming back... that much is sure. He thriving for Juve when he pop dung in the Prem... the game just doesn't suit him in England. I would wring Agnelli and dem balls and get a good price for him while his stock high this off-season. As for Insua... tougher call. The fella puts in a good shift but he hasn't played regularly in two full seasons... and who would he play ahead of anyways?
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elan... that shit is funny. Carra did hold him in check nicely... along with Agger.
Post by: kaliman2006 on February 07, 2011, 06:53:00 PM
wasn't able to see the game but im glad we pulled out a victory. are there any highlights floating around? cant seem to find any...
edit: nevermind i finally found highlights. great win liverpool!!!(http://i.imgur.com/2p507.gif)
muhahahaha lovely
:devil:
Post by: Bakes on February 12, 2011, 09:14:12 AM
EDIT:
Raul Meireles with another fabulous goal off the half volley ... Liverpool 1:0 Wigan 24'
EDIT: Uneven play for Liverpool after a good start... Liverpool 1:1 Wigan 65'
Offside goal but hard to say Wigan didn't deserve it.
Very uninspired second half so far for 'Pool... disappointing.
Post by: FF on February 12, 2011, 10:45:07 AM
Offside goal but hard to say Wigan didn't deserve it.
Very uninspired second half so far for 'Pool... disappointing.
Rodallega tips dat ball? I ent too sure... if he didn't de man was onside
Post by: Bakes on February 12, 2011, 11:00:45 AM
Offside goal but hard to say Wigan didn't deserve it.
Very uninspired second half so far for 'Pool... disappointing.
Rodallega tips dat ball? I ent too sure... if he didn't de man was onside
Yeah he get ah touch on it... very slight deflection if you notice, before it dribble over to Gohouri. Even the commentators keep talking about the goal being "controversial". Liverpool played very flat though and Wigan wanted it more... so we have nutten to complain about.
Suarez played very well... hit the front of the far post from a tight angle in the first half, then off the crossbar on a free kick late in the game. Kenny confused me with his subs... N'gog on for Meireles with half an hour still to play. Don't really understand that... unless Meireles was hurt. Then Jovanovic for Kuyt... well in hindsight, I dunno if Kuyt's international cap midweek was a factor. Otherwise I struggling to understand that sub.
2 points dropped... good as a loss at this stage. Kudos to Martinez and Wigan, one of my favorite managers in the game today.
Post by: FF on February 12, 2011, 11:03:35 AM
Offside goal but hard to say Wigan didn't deserve it.
Very uninspired second half so far for 'Pool... disappointing.
Rodallega tips dat ball? I ent too sure... if he didn't de man was onside
Yeah he get ah touch on it... very slight deflection if you notice, before it dribble over to Gohouri. Even the commentators keep talking about the goal being "controversial". Liverpool played very flat though and Wigan wanted it more... so we have nutten to complain about.
Suarez played very well... hit the front of the far post from a tight angle in the first half, then off the crossbar on a free kick late in the game. Kenny confused me with his subs... N'gog on for Meireles with half an hour still to play. Don't really understand that... unless Meireles was hurt. Then Jovanovic for Kuyt... well in hindsight, I dunno if Kuyt's international cap midweek was a factor. Otherwise I struggling to understand that sub.
2 points dropped... good as a loss at this stage. Kudos to Martinez and Wigan, one of my favorite managers in the game today.
Meireles had to be hurt.. yuh don't sub out ah man who scoring every game so
Post by: rotatopoti3 on February 12, 2011, 11:12:46 AM
if roy was d coach dat game wuz lost
Post by: Bakes on February 16, 2011, 10:05:54 AM
Kenny Dalglish has been singing the praises of the club’s Academy – and could be set to give one of Liverpool’s rising stars a senior debut tomorrow.
Raheem Sterling has been named in the Europa League squad for the trip to Sparta Prague after King Kenny watched the 16-year-old net five goals during the under 18's emphatic 9-0 thrashing of Southend United in the FA Youth Cup at Anfield.
At 16 years and 71 days, Sterling would become the youngest ever Reds player to appear at senior level should he feature on Thursday, eclipsing the previous record of 16 years and 250 days set by Jack Robinson.
Robinson joins Sterling in the first team party travelling to Prague as do fellow Academy graduates Jonathan Flanaghan and England under-18 captain Conor Coady.
"I wouldn't go and say there are any kids who played in the Youth Cup against Crystal Palace are going to be first team [yet] but the progress at the Academy in the last year and a half has been absolutely fantastic," Dalglish said last month.
"That's great credit to Rafa [Benitez], who brought in Pep Segura, Rodolfo Borrell and Frank McParland. He reorganised the whole Academy and you can see the benefit in the kids now. It's fantastic to see.
"The reserve team's average age has been drastically reduced. Whether we get them through or not, we'd never put that pressure on them, but we're clearly encouraged by the work that's being done there and it's a work in progress."
http://www.givemefootball.com/premier-league/future-is-looking-brighter-and-brighter-under-king
Post by: Tenorsaw on February 17, 2011, 05:29:53 AM
(http://www.givemefootball.com/GMF/files/ac/ac27e515-707d-4050-a3d6-70ecba6aefd5.jpg)
Kenny Dalglish has been singing the praises of the club’s Academy – and could be set to give one of Liverpool’s rising stars a senior debut tomorrow.
Raheem Sterling has been named in the Europa League squad for the trip to Sparta Prague after King Kenny watched the 16-year-old net five goals during the under 18's emphatic 9-0 thrashing of Southend United in the FA Youth Cup at Anfield.
At 16 years and 71 days, Sterling would become the youngest ever Reds player to appear at senior level should he feature on Thursday, eclipsing the previous record of 16 years and 250 days set by Jack Robinson.
Robinson joins Sterling in the first team party travelling to Prague as do fellow Academy graduates Jonathan Flanaghan and England under-18 captain Conor Coady.
"I wouldn't go and say there are any kids who played in the Youth Cup against Crystal Palace are going to be first team [yet] but the progress at the Academy in the last year and a half has been absolutely fantastic," Dalglish said last month.
"That's great credit to Rafa [Benitez], who brought in Pep Segura, Rodolfo Borrell and Frank McParland. He reorganised the whole Academy and you can see the benefit in the kids now. It's fantastic to see.
"The reserve team's average age has been drastically reduced. Whether we get them through or not, we'd never put that pressure on them, but we're clearly encouraged by the work that's being done there and it's a work in progress."
http://www.givemefootball.com/premier-league/future-is-looking-brighter-and-brighter-under-king
This youth has frightening potential. Rafa was a bit too cautious with the youth players. Brought them in, but left too many of them out to dry. Check out some highlights of this youth in action:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1357850/Raheem-Sterlings-goals-Liverpool-v-Southend--video.html
Post by: sammy on February 17, 2011, 06:11:31 AM
Post by: Bakes on February 17, 2011, 07:49:30 AM
This youth has frightening potential. Rafa was a bit too cautious with the youth players. Brought them in, but left too many of them out to dry. Check out some highlights of this youth in action:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1357850/Raheem-Sterlings-goals-Liverpool-v-Southend--video.html
Thanks for the link...
http://www.youtube.com/v/Eh0-kR2cNQo&feature=player_embedded
Much of that you can chalk up to dreadful defending and I thought the keeper could have done better on the 4th an 5th goals... but even that sentence speaks volumes... 5 goals. Check the grin on Kenny's face at 1:42... priceless lol
The play of the Southend players aside, he has nice touch and composure and that's something that can be taught, I suppose... but great to see at such a young age.
Here's another vid... check out the cap he hit a man at 1:27... followed by the breed he rest on another at 1:46 :rotfl:
http://www.youtube.com/v/gbDxiKM0c8M&feature=related
I also like the li'l juggling in this other vid...
http://www.youtube.com/v/WR-moFM_YlE&feature=player_embedded
Nothing particularly special, but showcases some of his skill and control.
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on February 17, 2011, 08:17:30 AM
I read he's born in Jamrock.. pretty sure if he develops into a great footballer England will cap him (for our sake lol)
Post by: Bakes on February 17, 2011, 08:20:00 AM
looks like you guys have a very special player there... fantastic technique
I read he's born in Jamrock.. pretty sure if he develops into a great footballer England will cap him (for our sake lol)
Yeah the JA's was crowing about him in dey thread... he's already capped as a youth player in England (U-19 I believe), and if he progresses at this rate (especially if Liverpool promotes him in the next year or two) he'll be a senior player. Much too early to get caught up in the hype, but many are saying that he's reminiscent of Michael Owens.
Post by: Bakes on February 17, 2011, 12:59:19 PM
Raul Meireles has been passed fit to start Liverpool's Europa League last 32, first-leg encounter with Sparta Prague tonight - listen live online from 8pm.
The Portuguese midfielder was forced off against Wigan due to illness, but retains his place in Kenny Dalglish's starting XI in the Czech Republic.
David Ngog, Danny Wilson and Sotirios Kyrgiakos are also in the Reds' line-up as they make three changes from Saturday.
Academy starlet Conor Coady is named on the bench, alongside Joe Cole.
Liverpool team in full: Reina, Johnson, Carragher, Kyrgiakos, Wilson, Maxi, Lucas, Meireles, Aurelio, Kuyt, Ngog. Subs: Gulacsi, Skrtel, Kelly, Cole, Jovanovic, Pacheco, Coady.
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/meireles-starts-listen-live-1
Game is being shown live at 3 pm on GOL TV/HD
Post by: Bakes on February 17, 2011, 02:58:09 PM
EDIT:
Dreadful game... 0-0 fulltime.
Kenny like he was happy fuh de tie... true a lot of regulars didn't play but still. No Suarez next week... Cup-tied apparently, but talk that Andy Carroll might make his debut.
Post by: Tenorsaw on February 17, 2011, 05:11:22 PM
Very indifferent first half for Liverpool... changes in the line up has clearly affected on-field chemistry and to the naked eye one would not believe that Spartak is the team who's been off since December. No cohesion thru the middle whatsoever, and Kuyt coming in for heavy criticism in my book, he really ent do a thing on the pitch this first half. Cole came on after 30 mins for Aurelio... but he coulda come on for Kuyt as far as I concerned. Tantalizing talk from the commentators of Sterling making his debut... but I think Kenny just trying to expose him and Robinson to the atmosphere. We need to pick it up... and N'gog in particular need to stop playing small goal and shoot at the damn goal.
EDIT:
Dreadful game... 0-0 fulltime.
Kenny like he was happy fuh de tie... true a lot of regulars didn't play but still. No Suarez next week... Cup-tied apparently, but talk that Andy Carroll might make his debut.
Unleash the dragon ;D
Post by: jahkingdom on February 17, 2011, 09:51:08 PM
looks like you guys have a very special player there... fantastic technique
I read he's born in Jamrock.. pretty sure if he develops into a great footballer England will cap him (for our sake lol)
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: you right. cause he would be the one to add an extra 3 goals on the already six that you will be getting in the next international friendly to make it 9. if he don't play for our national team is not the end of the world,and he is still a Jamaican. we already stack up front. ask jack when is the next match between Jamaica and T&T.
Post by: Bakes on March 06, 2011, 07:37:51 AM
EDIT:
Injury to Aurelio (hamstring) forces a move to Kyrgiakos, shifting Carra to RB and Johnson to LB. Johnson was matched up against runs by Berba a couple times on the right... so if United looks to exploit that against Carragher it may prove costly for us.
EDIT:
Suarez just beats thru 5 United defenders inside the box to set the table for Kuyt's simple tap-in...
Liverpool 1:0 Manchester United 34'
Post by: Blue on March 06, 2011, 08:04:55 AM
Post by: Bakes on March 06, 2011, 08:11:32 AM
Liverpool 2:0 Manchester United... (Kuyt 34', 39)
Game growing heated... Carra could have been sent off for a challenge on Nani, Rafael should have been sent off for a deliberate two-footed lunge at Lucas. Nani's poor day got worse as he had to be stretchered off after Carra's tackle, but not before he got up from the initial challenge to sprint 10-yards to complain to Phil Dowd, before dropping to the ground. Looked like he exaggerated, but to be fair he was in tears as he was being carried off.
Rafael on the other hand clearly benefitted from Dowd allowing Carragher to stay on... his lead leg on the tackle was a good foot and a half off the ground aiming at Lucas' shin.
Post by: Bitter on March 06, 2011, 08:16:51 AM
Post by: Observer on March 06, 2011, 08:36:55 AM
Poor Nani...
Liverpool 2:0 Manchester United... (Kuyt 34', 39)
Game growing heated... Carra could have been sent off for a challenge on Nani, Rafael should have been sent off for a deliberate two-footed lunge at Lucas. Nani's poor day got worse as he had to be stretchered off after Carra's tackle, but not before he got up from the initial challenge to sprint 10-yards to complain to Phil Dowd, before dropping to the ground. Looked like he exaggerated, but to be fair he was in tears as he was being carried off.
Rafael on the other hand clearly benefitted from Dowd allowing Carragher to stay on... his lead leg on the tackle was a good foot and a half off the ground aiming at Lucas' shin.
Have to agree both should have been sent off and one decision influenced the other. Maxi was also nasty on Rafael, just before the Lucas tackle and it was missed by Dowd. Never like to see players injured, so I feel for Nanni
Post by: Bakes on March 06, 2011, 08:40:25 AM
Have to agree both should have been sent off and one decision influenced the other. Maxi was also nasty on Rafael, just before the Lucas tackle and it was missed by Dowd. Never like to see players injured, so I feel for Nanni
Maxi did ketch him with the studs just below the right glutes... but seemed entirely accidental to me. I agree with you though, that is clearly what set Rafael off.
Post by: Mango Chow! on March 06, 2011, 08:48:12 AM
Have to agree both should have been sent off and one decision influenced the other. Maxi was also nasty on Rafael, just before the Lucas tackle and it was missed by Dowd. Never like to see players injured, so I feel for Nanni
It's quite possible the first decision mighta even influence rafael's nasty tackle itself. rafael might notta even responded in kind had Carragher been sent off. Sometimes players get just as angry at the ref "not taking control of the game" as they do at "vicious" play on the field.
Post by: Bitter on March 06, 2011, 08:57:48 AM
Post by: Bakes on March 06, 2011, 09:00:30 AM
Carrol to make his debut any minute now.
Post by: Observer on March 06, 2011, 09:12:59 AM
Have to agree both should have been sent off and one decision influenced the other. Maxi was also nasty on Rafael, just before the Lucas tackle and it was missed by Dowd. Never like to see players injured, so I feel for Nanni
Maxi did ketch him with the studs just below the right glutes... but seemed entirely accidental to me. I agree with you though, that is clearly what set Rafael off.
Not sure it was accidental because of his raking action, but say wha! I have to agree with Chow on the possibility of Rafael actions. More about well if he eh calling it, why not, rather than upset at the ref's control. Though I don't agree with the ref not sending off Carrager, I think the ref has done well in terms of consistency
Post by: Bitter on March 06, 2011, 09:15:50 AM
Have to agree both should have been sent off and one decision influenced the other. Maxi was also nasty on Rafael, just before the Lucas tackle and it was missed by Dowd. Never like to see players injured, so I feel for Nanni
Maxi did ketch him with the studs just below the right glutes... but seemed entirely accidental to me. I agree with you though, that is clearly what set Rafael off.
Not sure it was accidental because of his raking action, but say wha! I have to agree with Chow on the possibility of Rafael actions. More about well if he eh calling it, why not, rather than upset at the ref's control. Though I don't agree with the ref not sending off Carrager, I think the ref has done well in terms of consistency
Rafael was just getting stuck in... Scholes too... ::)
Post by: Mango Chow! on March 06, 2011, 09:29:50 AM
Post by: Bakes on March 06, 2011, 09:33:05 AM
Not sure it was accidental because of his raking action, but say wha! I have to agree with Chow on the possibility of Rafael actions. More about well if he eh calling it, why not, rather than upset at the ref's control. Though I don't agree with the ref not sending off Carrager, I think the ref has done well in terms of consistency
From what I could tell, Maxi's eye was on the ball the whole way... Rafael blood rush tuh he head and he decide to get even with the next red shirt.
At any rate... great result for Liverpool, one of our few truly complete games this season, although Hernandez' goal at the end kinda take a bit of the lustre off.
Post by: rotatopoti3 on March 06, 2011, 09:34:37 AM
Ah feel dat better than rooney bicycle
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on March 06, 2011, 09:35:37 AM
Carragher's tackle was a red card though..Rafael tackle wasnt nearly as bad.. a yellow was fair but Jamie should have seen red..it was nasty
Post by: fish on March 06, 2011, 09:37:54 AM
Post by: Bitter on March 06, 2011, 10:02:38 AM
Suaraze bobolize dem fellas with dat 1st goal.....
Ah feel dat better than rooney bicycle
On the last cut, the ball come off he shin. S*** goal! ;)
Post by: rotatopoti3 on March 06, 2011, 10:07:47 AM
Yuh sounding Bitter.... ;D
Post by: Mango Chow! on March 06, 2011, 10:24:03 AM
On the last cut, the ball come off he shin. S*** goal!
Yuh sounding Bitter.... ;D
:rotfl: :rotfl: at both ah allyuh!!
Post by: Tenorsaw on March 06, 2011, 04:13:29 PM
Post by: Mango Chow! on March 07, 2011, 07:34:42 AM
Have to agree both should have been sent off and one decision influenced the other. Maxi was also nasty on Rafael, just before the Lucas tackle and it was missed by Dowd. Never like to see players injured, so I feel for Nanni
Maxi did ketch him with the studs just below the right glutes... but seemed entirely accidental to me. I agree with you though, that is clearly what set Rafael off.
Not sure it was accidental because of his raking action, but say wha! I have to agree with Chow on the possibility of Rafael actions. More about well if he eh calling it, why not, rather than upset at the ref's control. Though I don't agree with the ref not sending off Carrager, I think the ref has done well in terms of consistency
Ah now see what maxi do de boy....yuh might be right in suggesting dize what set him off.....along with all that had already transpired up to that point. maxi know what he was doin'....the notion that a man "eye was on the ball the whole way" is what would make a foul "accidental" is pure jackass talk (considering the source, though, I am not surprised). A man could have he eye on the dam scoreboard and intentionally foul somebody.
Post by: kicker on March 07, 2011, 08:48:44 AM
Suarez was very impressive!!
Kuyt will never get an easier hattrick in his life.
Post by: Mango Chow! on March 07, 2011, 11:30:17 AM
Liverpool - Man U is probably in the top 5 most heated matches at the highest level in Europe... There's alot of pride and history at stake in that match up... a couple bad tackles and some heated exchanges is really just par for the course on a good day...
Suarez was very impressive!!
Kuyt will never get an easier hattrick in his life.
Doh say dat! If Suarez continue playin' like he did yesterday....yuh never know.
Post by: Feliziano on March 08, 2011, 08:17:41 PM
My Torres tabanca is over now btw :D
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on March 20, 2011, 11:31:32 AM
http://i51.tinypic.com/xpv77m.jpg
If that was United we wouldnt hear the end of it
Post by: Fyzoman on March 20, 2011, 11:52:50 AM
Nice penalty today ::) ::)
http://i51.tinypic.com/xpv77m.jpg
If that was United we wouldnt hear the end of it
hahahaha, hear nah, daiz de linesman flag ah seeing on the far side??? what block he vision of dat foul to give dat in de area??? pricelss:)
Post by: D.H.W on March 20, 2011, 12:24:05 PM
Nice penalty today ::) ::)
http://i51.tinypic.com/xpv77m.jpg
If that was United we wouldnt hear the end of it
WTF !!!
Post by: Bakes on March 20, 2011, 12:37:11 PM
Nice penalty today ::) ::)
http://i51.tinypic.com/xpv77m.jpg
If that was United we wouldnt hear the end of it
Should we cite this as an example of you "obsessing" over Liverpool as you bitch about in the ManU thread? The fact is that the ref got the call wrong, but in real speed it was a lot closer than it appears in the photo and the linesman was the one who gave it.
How about that break foot tackle that Evans put down on Holden? Had to be stretchered off just like Nani... minus the crying and hysterics of course. No talk about how there's "no place for dem kinda tackles" in football?
Not you who was defending Howard Webb's shit penalty call on Agger against Berbatov?
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on March 20, 2011, 12:55:21 PM
Post by: Bakes on March 20, 2011, 07:31:19 PM
Na i just laughing at how nobody talking about it and letting it slide... but its ok United gets all the calls.. enjoy the hunt for 5th... peace out Braga..I mean Bakes
Yeah you right... people does exaggerate the Manu calls thing. ManU doh get all the calls dey does get 90%... the other 10% is spread among the rest of the "big four".
I am very hurt by that "5th place" comment.
Post by: kev on March 21, 2011, 06:19:41 AM
Na i just laughing at how nobody talking about it and letting it slide... but its ok United gets all the calls.. enjoy the hunt for 5th... peace out Braga..I mean Bakes
Yeah you right... people does exaggerate the Manu calls thing. ManU doh get all the calls dey does get 90%... the other 10% is spread among the rest of the "big four".
I am very hurt by that "5th place" comment.
Bit tongue in cheek there Bakes, I suspect manu get the most very closely followed by Liverpool. The ref had another bad game yesterday and showed how weak / indecisive he was, the penalty was a joke, along with the advantage played then pulling it back for a foul, sending off was soft. Off the top of my head just what I can remember Liverpool should of had Carragher sent off, Gerrard and no penalty, sick to death of it week in week out.
Mensah's red card was rescinded, Rafa on about how he wants to be Liverpool manager again and won't take a job with one of their big rivals in the interim, while he waits.
Post by: elan on April 06, 2011, 06:30:11 PM
By Eric Freeman
Yahoo (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/LeBron-James-to-hold-minority-interest-in-Liverp?urn=nba-wp998)
Over the past two decades, soccer has become increasingly popular in the United States. Beginning with the 1994 World Cup, American sports fans have steadily come to understand that players are full of engaging style even if there aren't a ton of goals, and that a draw can be just as exciting as a victory. These days, there are enough casual soccer fans that a mid-week broadcast of a Champions League match or a big weekend game between two English Premier League clubs can get a pretty solid TV rating in this country.
In fact, the sport is popular enough here that an athlete investing in a successful soccer club can be seen as a pretty intelligent business decision rather than some questionable entrance into foreign enterprise. So it should not be a terrible surprise that Miami Heat star LeBron James(notes) now owns part of the legendary Liverpool Football Club. From Matthew Futterman for the Wall Street Journal:
The deal between Mr. James and Fenway Sports Group will give Mr. James a minority stake in the soccer club Liverpool, which FSG owns. FSG, which also owns the Boston Red Sox, is partnering with Mr. James's sports-marketing firm, LRMR Branding & Marketing to become the exclusive world-wide representative for Mr. James.
The deal marks the first time that a professional athlete at the top of his game has taken an ownership interest in a team with the size and reach of Liverpool, which is one of the most popular and powerful sports franchises in the world.
It also adds yet another dimension for Boston-based FSG, which became a global operation last October when it bought Liverpool for $488 million. The company was founded as New England Sports Ventures nine years ago after Messrs. Henry and Werner bought the Red Sox and 80% of regional sports channel New England Sports Network. In 2007 Fenway became 50% owner of the Nascar auto-racing team Roush Fenway Racing.
LeBron has said for years that he wants to become a global icon on the order of Michael Jordan. And while reaching that level of fame will probably always depend most on whether or not he becomes an NBA champion several times over, business decisions like this one (and, in a more minor sense, the web cartoon series he premiered Wednesday) position him to reach out to an unprecedented number of fans. In return, he will likely help give Liverpool a larger profile among budding fans of European football in America.
Along with Manchester United, Liverpool is historically the most successful soccer team in the United Kingdom, earning 18 championships at the top level of English football and five European Cup trophies. They've fallen on relatively hard times over the past few seasons, but they are an established brand with worldwide recognition. It's extremely unlikely that LeBron will have any say in the club's policy or day-to-day operations, but, as far as marketing ploys go, this is a smart one.
LeBron's detractors are sure to wonder if continual marketing moves such as this one are distracting LeBron from gaining the competitive spark needed to become the best player on a team that wins multiple championships. These concerns are not without merit, but they'll also continue to follow James around until he reaches that achievement. If that day ever comes, LeBron will want to be well positioned to become the most famous athlete the world has ever seen. This relationship with Liverpool gets him closer to that goal. Taken on its own merits, it's a great decision.
Post by: ZANDOLIE on April 06, 2011, 06:38:18 PM
From the guardian.co
Miami Heat's LeBron James secures minority share in Liverpool• Liverpool regard partnership as key to expanding their brand
• Basketball player is excited over affiliation to club
The basketball star LeBron James has secured a minority stake in Liverpool after cutting a deal with the club's US owner.
Fenway Sports Group, which also owns baseball's Boston Red Sox, has struck an agreement with James's sports-marketing firm, LRMR Branding & Marketing, to be the representative for the controversial Miami Heat player around the world. In return James will become a minority owner in Liverpool. He said he was "excited to be affiliated with this incredible organisation" and looked forward to donning a red shirt and visiting Anfield.
"The first time I stepped on an NBA [National Basketball Association] court I became a businessman," James, 26, told the Wall Street Journal. "This is a great opportunity for me."
Liverpool regard the partnership as key to expanding their brand. The chairman, Tom Werner, said: "There are very few athletes who can match his global reach, appeal and iconic status ... We feel the business opportunities for both working and being identified together in emerging international markets will result in unforeseen opportunities that neither would have been able to realise alone."
In a statement Fenway said it would "aggressively explore global business opportunities for LRMR and LeBron James, future business, marketing, endorsement and philanthropic endeavors all over the globe".
LRMR's chief executive, Maverick Carter, a high-school team-mate of James, said partnering with Fenway would open up international business opportunities for the athlete.
Terms of the deal have not been disclosed but Fenway is expected to earn a small commission on deals it does on James's behalf. The 26-year-old is one of the richest sportsmen in the world, earning $15.8m (£9.7m) from the Miami Heat and an estimated $30m a year from endorsements with companies including McDonald's, Nike, Bubbilicious and Coca-Cola.
A true rags to riches story, James was born in Akron, Ohio in 1984. His mother raised him on her own after his ex-convict father left them. Nicknamed "King James" while still in high school, James got his first Nike endorsement before he turned professional.
But James attracted some heat of his own last year after his controversial decision to quit the Cleveland Cavaliers. The move was announced in an hour-long TV show called "The Decision" and his former team were told minutes before the show was aired. Cleveland's owner, Dan Gilbert, called James' decision "selfish", "heartless", "callous" and a "cowardly betrayal". The move was also criticised by NBA commissioner David Stern. "I think that LeBron is a really good guy and he's going to be a great player and I don't think that this particular production showcased him to the best of our abilities," Stern said.
Post by: Deeks on April 06, 2011, 07:04:43 PM
Post by: Bakes on April 06, 2011, 11:45:03 PM
Bakes and "pool fans, allyuh in the money now!!!!!!
Ah wonder if he could play midfield? We have enough 'forwards' fuh now ;D
Post by: maxg on April 06, 2011, 11:45:52 PM
Post by: Peong on April 11, 2011, 01:29:39 PM
Carroll just buss City net HARD.
Post by: elan on April 11, 2011, 01:37:54 PM
Post by: elan on April 11, 2011, 01:38:39 PM
1 minute later
Post by: Peong on April 11, 2011, 01:48:49 PM
Post by: Bakes on April 11, 2011, 02:05:47 PM
What happen to the Liverpool fans?
Carroll just buss City net HARD.
I was liking mihself too much tuh come post. Great one time by Carroll, off the scramble in the City defense... same too on Kuyt's goal. Carroll is class though... that second goal, what a deft touch... and sweet cross from Meireles. The young kid, Flanigan having a terrific debut for Liverpool... especially for an 18-year old going up against the likes of a Tevez and later Balotelli.
As for Tevez... real hard luck scene, early reports are that he thinks he's torn the hamstring.
Post by: Tenorsaw on April 11, 2011, 03:31:01 PM
Post by: Bakes on April 11, 2011, 03:49:00 PM
That ball ain't leave the grass after Carroll struck it...serious bullet. For all the men that say he is one-dimensional, take that. He is big, strong, holds up the ball great, drops back to support the midfield and can shoot. The fella has a serious shot on him. Lucas is really growing on the Anfield faithful. If only he would score another goal to cap off his tireless displays. Looks like there is something in the pipeline. Kenny buss another youngster, and he did not looked overawed at all. Well done Flanagan! Jay Spearing has been great, and seems to be rounding into a legitimnate first team player. Meireles is cunning and was a great buy. The defending was great...men in threes around the ball, picking up the runner, and not giving City time to settle on the ball at all. This looks a totally different team to the start of the season. Now for we to try to sneak into Europe and buy some players in the summer. Jose Enrique is on his way already - supposedly signed, sealed and delivered. Not a bad acquisition at all. Plenty going forward and solid defender too. We on the way back up. King Kenny!
Really?
Supposedly they looking at Ashley Young too, and Aaron Lennon (from what was said in today's broadcast) as well.
Agree with you on Lucas too... things finally coming into place for him, recent addition to the Brazil mix is a sign that Dunga has seen some progress in his play at Anfield... which itself might be an outgrowth of the steady run he getting the past two seasons.
Post by: Observer on April 11, 2011, 05:03:22 PM
Great performance today
Post by: Andre on April 14, 2011, 08:41:43 AM
kuyt look like he bout to bust a jock.
http://footballfashion.org/wordpress/2011/04/13/liverpool-fc-adidas-201112-away-kit-jersey/
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5227/5618017238_a94b2dfa4f.jpg)
Post by: fish on April 14, 2011, 01:09:48 PM
It wet. Reina own looking a little like Chelsea black and orange kit though.
Post by: Tenorsaw on April 14, 2011, 02:37:37 PM
new away kit.
kuyt look like he bout to bust a jock.
http://footballfashion.org/wordpress/2011/04/13/liverpool-fc-adidas-201112-away-kit-jersey/
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5227/5618017238_a94b2dfa4f.jpg)
Fellas, allyuh does make my day here. Ah cyar leave this site; is real kicks. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
SWO till ah die!
Post by: Bakes on April 17, 2011, 09:56:04 AM
Meanwhile we're conceding too much space and possession to Arsenal in the middle of the pitch an I won't be surprised if the possession stats are somewhere around 70%-30% for Arsenal. Suarez having a very off day and I'd give him another 20 mins to get sorted out before bringing on Ngog... we lacking real pace and width on the field. We need this game if we are to have any hope of getting into the Top 4 this season.
Post by: Bakes on April 17, 2011, 10:22:12 AM
Post by: Bakes on April 17, 2011, 11:04:41 AM
Fabregas got a soft penalty called on Spearing in the 97' to put Arsenal up 1-0. Moments ater Kuyt hit the crossbar... then Song fouled Lucas right on the line of the 6-yard box, but the ref ruled that it was 5 inches outside. Suarez hit the resulting free kick into the wall and on the ricochet Eboue bundled Lucas over in the box for a penalty. Kuyt converts with literally the last kick of the game to make it 1-1.
Incredible drama. Even more good news for 'Pool... Carragher is alert and talking in the dressing room.
Post by: kaliman2006 on April 17, 2011, 11:06:56 AM
Spearing's challenge on Fabregas showed his inexperience. A more experienced defender would ahve realized that Fabregas would have tried playing for the penalty. It's a good thing that Kuyt bailed Dalglish out of jail, because if Liverpool had lost the game, the media would have begun to question Dalglish relying on such an inexperienced back four.
Arsenal need ah bush bath yes!
:devil:
Post by: triniairman on April 17, 2011, 11:09:02 AM
Wow!!! What a finish. 1-1 fulltimeThat was dramatic ending.... very good news for Man.U :devil:
Fabregas got a soft penalty called on Spearing in the 97' to put Arsenal up 1-0. Moments ater Kuyt hit the crossbar... then Song fouled Lucas right on the line of the 6-yard box, but the ref ruled that it was 5 inches outside. Suarez hit the resulting free kick into the wall and on the ricochet Eboue bundled Lucas over in the box for a penalty. Kuyt converts with literally the last kick of the game to make it 1-1.
Incredible drama. Even more good news for 'Pool... Carragher is alert and talking in the dressing room.
Post by: Tenorsaw on April 17, 2011, 11:10:36 AM
Post by: Bakes on April 17, 2011, 11:11:08 AM
What a finish to the game!
Spearing's challenge on Van Persie showed his inexperience. A more experienced defender would ahve realized that Van Persie would have tried playing for the penalty. It's a good thing that Kuyt bailed Dalglish out of jail, because if Liverpool had lost the game, the media would have begun to question Dalglish relying on such an inexperienced back four.
Arsenal need ah bush bath yes!
:devil:
Nah you can't be serious... Dalglish eh "relying on such an inexperienced back four", he has no choice due to injuries. The only inexperienced player he started was Flanagan, who aside from knocking out Carra had a very good game. Krygiakos is a central defender so you can't fault Kenny for bringing on Robinson in place of Aurelio. And to top it off the back four played extremely well under the circumstances... Spearing is a midfielder and aside from the soft penalty call against him he had a brilliant game, along with Lucas. Had we lost there would not have been any criticism warranted whatsoever in my book.
Post by: Trini Madness on April 17, 2011, 11:12:50 AM
What a finish to the game!
Spearing's challenge on Fabregas showed his inexperience. A more experienced defender would ahve realized that Fabregas would have tried playing for the penalty. It's a good thing that Kuyt bailed Dalglish out of jail, because if Liverpool had lost the game, the media would have begun to question Dalglish relying on such an inexperienced back four.
Arsenal need ah bush bath yes!
:devil:
i think the defense held their own. they did pretty well overall. roller-coaster of emotions the final 10 mins geez what a finish.
jonjo...smh he seemed like he didnt want to play today.
Post by: Tenorsaw on April 17, 2011, 11:13:10 AM
What a finish to the game!
Spearing's challenge on Van Persie showed his inexperience. A more experienced defender would ahve realized that Van Persie would have tried playing for the penalty. It's a good thing that Kuyt bailed Dalglish out of jail, because if Liverpool had lost the game, the media would have begun to question Dalglish relying on such an inexperienced back four.
Arsenal need ah bush bath yes!
:devil:
Nah you can't be serious... Dalglish eh "relying on such an inexperienced back four", he has no choice due to injuries. The only inexperienced player he started was Flanagan, who aside from knocking out Carra had a very good game. Krygiakos is a central defender so you can't fault Kenny for bringing on Robinson in place of Aurelio. And to top it off the back four played extremely well under the circumstances... Spearing is a midfielder and aside from the soft penalty call against him he had a brilliant game, along with Lucas. Had we lost there would not have been any criticism warranted whatsoever in my book.
Kaliman, you doh watch football; otherwise, you would have known that Johnson and Kelly are injured, and Carragher and Aurelio got hurt duirn the game. Stop talking madness for the sake of posting on here.
Post by: kaliman2006 on April 17, 2011, 11:18:59 AM
What a finish to the game!
Spearing's challenge on Van Persie showed his inexperience. A more experienced defender would ahve realized that Van Persie would have tried playing for the penalty. It's a good thing that Kuyt bailed Dalglish out of jail, because if Liverpool had lost the game, the media would have begun to question Dalglish relying on such an inexperienced back four.
Arsenal need ah bush bath yes!
:devil:
Nah you can't be serious... Dalglish eh "relying on such an inexperienced back four", he has no choice due to injuries. The only inexperienced player he started was Flanagan, who aside from knocking out Carra had a very good game. Krygiakos is a central defender so you can't fault Kenny for bringing on Robinson in place of Aurelio. And to top it off the back four played extremely well under the circumstances... Spearing is a midfielder and aside from the soft penalty call against him he had a brilliant game, along with Lucas. Had we lost there would not have been any criticism warranted whatsoever in my book.
Kaliman, you doh watch football; otherwise, you would have known that Johnson and Kelly are injured, and Carragher and Aurelio got hurt duirn the game. Stop talking madness for the sake of posting on here.
I do watch football and acknowledge the mistakes that I made in my last post. I am mature enough to admit when I am wrong, and do not profess to be an expert. If someone points out my error and I see the error in my post then I will acknowledge it.
Everyone can make mistakes and nobody is perfect.
Post by: kaliman2006 on April 17, 2011, 11:22:13 AM
What a finish to the game!
Spearing's challenge on Van Persie showed his inexperience. A more experienced defender would ahve realized that Van Persie would have tried playing for the penalty. It's a good thing that Kuyt bailed Dalglish out of jail, because if Liverpool had lost the game, the media would have begun to question Dalglish relying on such an inexperienced back four.
Arsenal need ah bush bath yes!
:devil:
Nah you can't be serious... Dalglish eh "relying on such an inexperienced back four", he has no choice due to injuries. The only inexperienced player he started was Flanagan, who aside from knocking out Carra had a very good game. Krygiakos is a central defender so you can't fault Kenny for bringing on Robinson in place of Aurelio. And to top it off the back four played extremely well under the circumstances... Spearing is a midfielder and aside from the soft penalty call against him he had a brilliant game, along with Lucas. Had we lost there would not have been any criticism warranted whatsoever in my book.
Point taken. I stand corrected
Post by: Tenorsaw on April 17, 2011, 11:37:18 AM
:notworthy: :beermug: :beermug:What a finish to the game!
Spearing's challenge on Van Persie showed his inexperience. A more experienced defender would ahve realized that Van Persie would have tried playing for the penalty. It's a good thing that Kuyt bailed Dalglish out of jail, because if Liverpool had lost the game, the media would have begun to question Dalglish relying on such an inexperienced back four.
Arsenal need ah bush bath yes!
:devil:
Nah you can't be serious... Dalglish eh "relying on such an inexperienced back four", he has no choice due to injuries. The only inexperienced player he started was Flanagan, who aside from knocking out Carra had a very good game. Krygiakos is a central defender so you can't fault Kenny for bringing on Robinson in place of Aurelio. And to top it off the back four played extremely well under the circumstances... Spearing is a midfielder and aside from the soft penalty call against him he had a brilliant game, along with Lucas. Had we lost there would not have been any criticism warranted whatsoever in my book.
Point taken. I stand corrected
Post by: Bakes on April 17, 2011, 01:34:51 PM
Point taken. I stand corrected
No scene... Kenny eh beyond reproach, but from my standpoint he damn near close tuh infallible so I defending harder than 10 men defending ah 1 goal lead in de dregs ;D :beermug:
Post by: Tenorsaw on April 17, 2011, 03:59:29 PM
Point taken. I stand corrected
No scene... Kenny eh beyond reproach, but from my standpoint he damn near close tuh infallible so I defending harder than 10 men defending ah 1 goal lead in de dregs ;D :beermug:
Ah love how men feeling Kenny. He doing the biz. All this talk bout Boas signing a pre-contract worrying me. Good coach, but if it ain't broken, why fix it?
Post by: Bakes on April 17, 2011, 04:13:45 PM
Ah love how men feeling Kenny. He doing the biz. All this talk bout Boas signing a pre-contract worrying me. Good coach, but if it ain't broken, why fix it?
Well Kenny is my hero from long time... I tired say how is because of him, Rush and Barnes I became a Liverpool fan. He was fantastic for us 17-odd years ago, and he's been fantastic since his return. I read that rumor last night but didn't see it substantiated anywhere so I didn't put too much stock into it. It would be cruel for them to take the gig away from Kenny in light of the incredible turn-around he's begun to engineer at Anfield. I say "begun to", because we're still inconsistent and still have a ways to go before we're "right" again... but one or two key signings and we can challenge for the title again.
Post by: boss on April 17, 2011, 04:25:16 PM
I wasn't a fan of bringing Dalglish back as manager, and I've never been so happy to be wrong.
Post by: triniairman on April 17, 2011, 04:48:38 PM
Did you see Wenger and his reaction at the end of the game? it look like to youths grand chargin each other. Wenger with his arm open "what ..what" Dalglish with his arms wide open " what...what wrong with with you" man F@*k you yes..waves hand like get the F@*k out of here with that shit lolAh love how men feeling Kenny. He doing the biz. All this talk bout Boas signing a pre-contract worrying me. Good coach, but if it ain't broken, why fix it?
Well Kenny is my hero from long time... I tired say how is because of him, Rush and Barnes I became a Liverpool fan. He was fantastic for us 17-odd years ago, and he's been fantastic since his return. I read that rumor last night but didn't see it substantiated anywhere so I didn't put too much stock into it. It would be cruel for them to take the gig away from Kenny in light of the incredible turn-around he's begun to engineer at Anfield. I say "begun to", because we're still inconsistent and still have a ways to go before we're "right" again... but one or two key signings and we can challenge for the title again.
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on April 17, 2011, 05:19:17 PM
Next season is going to be crazy with United,Arsenal,Pool,City,Chelsea and Spurs all going for it.. UEFA may have to award an extra spot yes haha
Post by: Bakes on April 17, 2011, 05:41:59 PM
Did you see Wenger and his reaction at the end of the game? it look like to youths grand chargin each other. Wenger with his arm open "what ..what" Dalglish with his arms wide open " what...what wrong with with you" man F@*k you yes..waves hand like get the F@*k out of here with that shit lol
That's my thing with Wenger... he need to change he name to "Whinger" sometimes. He does whine too friggin much. How you go get a soft penalty in the dregs then complain about another soft penalty being called on your team? steups.
I like him but he too bias when he ready.
Post by: D.H.W on April 17, 2011, 06:18:04 PM
Did you see Wenger and his reaction at the end of the game? it look like to youths grand chargin each other. Wenger with his arm open "what ..what" Dalglish with his arms wide open " what...what wrong with with you" man F@*k you yes..waves hand like get the F@*k out of here with that shit lolAh love how men feeling Kenny. He doing the biz. All this talk bout Boas signing a pre-contract worrying me. Good coach, but if it ain't broken, why fix it?
Well Kenny is my hero from long time... I tired say how is because of him, Rush and Barnes I became a Liverpool fan. He was fantastic for us 17-odd years ago, and he's been fantastic since his return. I read that rumor last night but didn't see it substantiated anywhere so I didn't put too much stock into it. It would be cruel for them to take the gig away from Kenny in light of the incredible turn-around he's begun to engineer at Anfield. I say "begun to", because we're still inconsistent and still have a ways to go before we're "right" again... but one or two key signings and we can challenge for the title again.
hahaha i just see it, that was funny, wenger like a f**king baby :rotfl: :rotfl:
Post by: Tenorsaw on April 23, 2011, 09:39:27 AM
Post by: Bakes on April 23, 2011, 09:41:31 AM
EDIT: Tenorsaw we on the same wavelength, lol... I now come and search for the thread to post.
Post by: Tenorsaw on April 23, 2011, 09:50:29 AM
Good game by Liverpool thus far... 4-0 against Brum 79'... Maxi with a hat trick, Kuyt with the other. Great games by Lucas and Meireles in midfield, and by Flanagan and Robinson at RB and LB respectively.
EDIT: Tenorsaw we on the same wavelength, lol... I now come and search for the thread to post.
Liverpool at heart...that's why we thinking alike :beermug: :beermug: :beermug:
Post by: Bakes on April 23, 2011, 09:58:14 AM
Good game by Liverpool thus far... 4-0 against Brum 79'... Maxi with a hat trick, Kuyt with the other. Great games by Lucas and Meireles in midfield, and by Flanagan and Robinson at RB and LB respectively.
EDIT: Tenorsaw we on the same wavelength, lol... I now come and search for the thread to post.
Liverpool at heart...that's why we thinking alike :beermug: :beermug: :beermug:
No doubt... :beermug:
Even Joe Cole come on and get and lucky tally under he belt. Birmingham ent no big side but they usually give us fits... I still does see that Cameron Jerome long distance golazo against us last year. Make Reina look ordinary ordinary.
Post by: kaliman2006 on April 23, 2011, 11:21:58 AM
Dalglish is what made me become a Liverpool fan in the first place. Even though I was a youth (I eh dat old) I would never forget that great side with Barnes, Rush, Beardsley and McMahon. Dey used to play ah nice brand of football.
Ah, the memories...
Post by: Tenorsaw on April 23, 2011, 11:50:30 AM
Well I know if Maxi Rodriguez scores a hattrick (he has not lived up to his full potential since coming to Anfield), then I know that, brain fart last week aside, Kenny must be doing something right.
Dalglish is what made me become a Liverpool fan in the first place. Even though I was a youth (I eh dat old) I would never forget that great side with Barnes, Rush, Beardsley and McMahon. Dey used to play ah nice brand of football.Ah, the memories...
Preach, Kali. The "feel good" atmosphere is back. Once yuh see youths coming through the pipeline and playing like big men, yuh know something clicking. Dat is what we used to do, buss big players: Owen, McManaman, Fowler, Gerrard, Carragher...then it stopped. Gotta give King Kenny the job. I haven't seen a Liverpool team this hungry since I was a lil boy.
Post by: Bakes on April 24, 2011, 11:49:59 AM
Post by: ZionYouth on April 24, 2011, 01:56:30 PM
Post by: Tenorsaw on April 24, 2011, 01:58:36 PM
Supposedly Meireles voted by fans as POY for 'Pool. Can't really argue against that... but Lucas woulda be neck and neck in the running for me. He's still master of the errant pass at times... but he's such a tireless worker and always in the mix defensively. He's stepped seamlessly into that defensively midfield role vacated by Mascherano, and helped hold that core together in Gerrard's absence.... and still only 24.
Add to that, Meireles was voted EPL Fan's Player of the Year. That's all down to that scoring run he went on. We definitely don't miss Mascherano. Lucas has thrived since his departure. I never imagined I would be uttering those words, but it speaks volume on how Lucas has developed as a player.
Post by: Bakes on April 24, 2011, 02:39:51 PM
Supposedly Meireles voted by fans as POY for 'Pool. Can't really argue against that... but Lucas woulda be neck and neck in the running for me. He's still master of the errant pass at times... but he's such a tireless worker and always in the mix defensively. He's stepped seamlessly into that defensively midfield role vacated by Mascherano, and helped hold that core together in Gerrard's absence.... and still only 24.
Add to that, Meireles was voted EPL Fan's Player of the Year. That's all down to that scoring run he went on. We definitely don't miss Mascherano. Lucas has thrived since his departure. I never imagined I would be uttering those words, but it speaks volume on how Lucas has developed as a player.
Surprised that Meireles get it over Chicharito to be honest... I think he's had a bigger impact, but no discounting what Meireles has meant to our resurgence either. You also right about Lucas... I tired call he all kinda shithound under Rafa, but Kenny seems to have sparked something. The steady play has been there since under Roy, but he's really a different player now.
ZionYouth... no doubt, Robinson and the two other youngsters in the back, Flanagan and Wilson (who out injured right now) have been revelations this season.
Post by: boss on April 25, 2011, 04:01:17 AM
Post by: ZionYouth on April 25, 2011, 01:36:25 PM
Post by: Tenorsaw on April 27, 2011, 05:27:57 AM
Post by: Tenorsaw on May 01, 2011, 06:28:18 AM
Post by: boss on May 04, 2011, 12:29:15 PM
http://twitter.com/GuillemBalague/status/65837681954922497
Post by: Bakes on May 09, 2011, 01:06:45 PM
Funny thing is I was coming to post about Maxi and say it seems like he finally turning it around... that if he could continue helping us push for 4th he'll get back in my graces. 5 goals in 3 games... I'd say that he's contributing :D
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EDIT:
Mother of God!.... Glen Johnson just cross to... wait for it... Maxi Rodriguez. 2-0 Liverpool 7'
6 goals in 3 games now for Maxi.
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EDIT:
3-0 Liverpool... Kuyt 16'. Schwartzer giving up a soft goal on a dipping strike by Kuyt, allowing it to trouble him at the last second and deflecting it off the 'keeper's left shin.
Moments after having a penalty shout turned down after Suarez was pushed from behind by Hangeland and went down in the box as he bore down on Schwartzer.
Post by: Daft Trini on May 09, 2011, 01:16:20 PM
Post by: Bakes on May 09, 2011, 01:20:57 PM
Good game so far...
Fuh Liverpool and neutral fans... not so much for Fulham, 'Spurs or Citeh :devil:
Post by: Daft Trini on May 09, 2011, 01:23:14 PM
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:Good game so far...
Fuh Liverpool and neutral fans... not so much for Fulham, 'Spurs or Citeh :devil:
Post by: Bakes on May 09, 2011, 01:27:51 PM
Post by: sammy on May 09, 2011, 01:50:08 PM
Fulham look like they good fuh 5... de way Liverpool skinning dem out dey.
I eh watching the game, but allyuh looking/sounding dangerous for next year.
Post by: Peong on May 09, 2011, 02:27:28 PM
Hats off to Maxi, the speed on that one fooled the keeper.
Post by: Daft Trini on May 09, 2011, 02:30:50 PM
Post by: Bakes on May 09, 2011, 02:30:56 PM
Fulham pull one back and puttin on some good pressure.
Hats off to Maxi, the speed on that one fooled the keeper.
Haha... ah see yuh edit.. hat trick Maxi strikes again. 7 in the last three games.
I eh watching the game, but allyuh looking/sounding dangerous for next year.
So much of that has to do with players being in form and thing doh... right now we peaking, but ah little too late. I think what this shows is that we have a very solid foundation going into next season. Roster needs tweaking... not blowing up, as seemed the case 6 months ago.
Post by: kaliman2006 on May 09, 2011, 02:31:20 PM
This has to be the Dalglish effect.
Because Maxi was not in this kind of form before.
Post by: Bakes on May 09, 2011, 02:34:28 PM
Great ball by Jonjo Shelvey... but Fulham's central defense in a absolute mess. Hangeland is a very good defender, but Suarez make him look like ah Championship player tonight.
Post by: Daft Trini on May 09, 2011, 02:35:04 PM
Post by: kaliman2006 on May 09, 2011, 02:35:53 PM
But this goes a long way towards me reevaluating my opinion of him.
;D :devil:
Post by: Daft Trini on May 09, 2011, 02:36:20 PM
Maxi Rodriguez scores his hat trick.
This has to be the Dalglish effect.
Because Maxi was not in this kind of form before.
The third was a nice shot... commentators say it was his weaker foot, but nice bullet!
Post by: Bakes on May 09, 2011, 02:39:35 PM
Maxi Rodriguez scores his hat trick.
This has to be the Dalglish effect.
Because Maxi was not in this kind of form before.
The third was a nice shot... commentators say it was his weaker foot, but nice bullet!
Yeah... he left-footed, and de right usually just fuh balance. He strike it so pure that even I momentarily fuhget it was he weak foot. Nine times outta ten he slicing that high and wide.
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Kali, I will never fuhgive Suarez fuh dat handball... but the man is a boss player, no denying that.
Post by: Daft Trini on May 09, 2011, 02:43:56 PM
Post by: kaliman2006 on May 09, 2011, 02:44:00 PM
Maxi Rodriguez scores his hat trick.
This has to be the Dalglish effect.
Because Maxi was not in this kind of form before.
The third was a nice shot... commentators say it was his weaker foot, but nice bullet!
Yeah... he left-footed, and de right usually just fuh balance. He strike it so pure that even I momentarily fuhget it was he weak foot. Nine times outta ten he slicing that high and wide.
I really cyah believe I ever doubted the ability of Kenny to give this side a lift (I plead temporary insanity). When you have Maxi turning in two hat tricks in his last three appearances, that speaks volumes about the changed atmosphere at the club.
Even Lucas looking like a baller now.
On another point, I just heard McManaman refer to Liverpool and himself as "we".
I thought commentators supposed to be unbiased. :devil:
Post by: Tenorsaw on May 09, 2011, 02:46:32 PM
Post by: FF on May 09, 2011, 02:51:00 PM
Fellas, watching this one live at Craven Cottage. Just ketch ah signal...de vibes nice!
enjoy dey boy tenorsaw :beermug:
Post by: Bakes on May 09, 2011, 02:51:25 PM
I really cyah believe I ever doubted the ability of Kenny to give this side a lift (I plead temporary insanity). When you have Maxi turning in two hat tricks in his last three appearances, that speaks volumes about the changed atmosphere at the club.
Even Lucas looking like a baller now.
On another point, I just heard McManaman refer to Liverpool and himself as "we".
I thought commentators supposed to be unbiased. :devil:
He always up front in announcing his past Liverpool ties (grew up on Merseyside as well) and that he'll always have a soft spot for the team. On balance he tries to be (and I think he has been) fair in his commentary though. But no concealing his joy with how the team has been playing.
As for praises to Kenny... indeed. Macca made a great point about restoring a sense of pride in the side, but he's also been playing the youngsters a lot. Flanagan seems a stalwart now... hard to believe he's only 17. Shelvey getting a full half to stretch his legs today, and has consistently played as a sub the past two months. Say nothing of what Spearing has done in Gerrard's absence.
Can't downplay the effect of Steve Clarke's role in the background either, from all accounts he's been immense.
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Daft... Zamora actually having a very good game, he set up Dembele on the goal and is the focal point of their attack this second half.
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Tenorsaw... whey sah boy, enjoy fuh de fellas on de forum :applause: :applause:
:beermug:
Post by: kicker on May 09, 2011, 03:21:08 PM
Yeah... he left-footed, and de right usually just fuh balance. He strike it so pure that even I momentarily fuhget it was he weak foot. Nine times outta ten he slicing that high and wide.
Didn't know he was left footed. Didn't he pull the amazing volley out of the air with his right, against Mexico in WC 2006? If that was his weaker foot....wow!! Come to think of it, left or right foot, that volley was wow!!
Post by: Bakes on May 09, 2011, 03:37:00 PM
Didn't know he was left footed. Didn't he pull the amazing volley out of the air with his right, against Mexico in WC 2006? If that was his weaker foot....wow!! Come to think of it, left or right foot, that volley was wow!!
Left foot...
http://www.youtube.com/v/9d4zVvjmsOM
If yuh watch him play enough he sure to frustrate yuh fuh by flubbing ah right-footed shot. Maxi does kick with he right foot de way you and I would kick with we left hand :D
Post by: kicker on May 09, 2011, 03:47:13 PM
Left foot...
Yeah...what a shot!!
Post by: Daft Trini on May 09, 2011, 04:17:54 PM
Post by: Tenorsaw on May 09, 2011, 04:24:36 PM
Post by: sammy on May 09, 2011, 04:35:20 PM
Fulham pull one back and puttin on some good pressure.
Hats off to Maxi, the speed on that one fooled the keeper.
Haha... ah see yuh edit.. hat trick Maxi strikes again. 7 in the last three games.I eh watching the game, but allyuh looking/sounding dangerous for next year.
So much of that has to do with players being in form and thing doh... right now we peaking, but ah little too late. I think what this shows is that we have a very solid foundation going into next season. Roster needs tweaking... not blowing up, as seemed the case 6 months ago.
Big club is big club and allyuh deserve to be right thre with Utd battling for the title (instead of chelsea, arsenal - dem cud be 3rd and 4th )
I glad for allyuh.
Post by: Daft Trini on May 09, 2011, 04:36:06 PM
:beermug: :beermug:Fulham pull one back and puttin on some good pressure.
Hats off to Maxi, the speed on that one fooled the keeper.
Haha... ah see yuh edit.. hat trick Maxi strikes again. 7 in the last three games.I eh watching the game, but allyuh looking/sounding dangerous for next year.
So much of that has to do with players being in form and thing doh... right now we peaking, but ah little too late. I think what this shows is that we have a very solid foundation going into next season. Roster needs tweaking... not blowing up, as seemed the case 6 months ago.
Big club is big club and allyuh deserve to be right thre with Utd battling for the title (instead of chelsea, arsenal - dem cud be 3rd and 4th )
I glad for allyuh.
Post by: Bakes on May 09, 2011, 04:42:35 PM
:beermug: :beermug:
Big club is big club and allyuh deserve to be right thre with Utd battling for the title (instead of chelsea, arsenal - dem cud be 3rd and 4th )
I glad for allyuh.
ha ha... allyuh could afford tuh be magnaminous now dat allyuh lock up another trophy and finally pass we eh? No matter, appreciate de good words still. Even Giggs say in ah interview yesterday that it was good to finally reel in United's "biggest rivals". Cream eventually rises to the top... we on we way back. If we could sneak back into the Top Four (we need to win out, have City lose their remaining three, or draw tomorrow against Spurs and lose two... then have Spurs lose a couple)... we'll be back in the Champions League next season... and flushed with cash to make an even faster return.
Post by: Jumbie on May 09, 2011, 05:14:03 PM
Post by: big dawg on May 09, 2011, 05:18:55 PM
not a liverpool fan... but love the way the making the run at the end.
I 2nd that...We even was hearing ridiculas religation talk in Oct/Nov...the team get a proper coach, compose themselves and to top it off.. get 50,000,000 for an out of form player..
dey deserve to play in Europe
Post by: Deeks on May 09, 2011, 05:28:13 PM
If Chelsea, Arsenal, Man City and Spurs can spend money for quality players, the English will be on hard title to win.
Post by: Bakes on May 09, 2011, 05:55:18 PM
not a liverpool fan... but love the way the making the run at the end.
I 2nd that...We even was hearing ridiculas religation talk in Oct/Nov...the team get a proper coach, compose themselves and to top it off.. get 50,000,000 for an out of form player..
dey deserve to play in Europe
Wasn't dat ridiculous nah dred... we was 3rd from bottom :-\
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 10, 2011, 01:07:32 PM
do us all a favor win d league next year and shut fergie up :rotfl:
we go handle the years after that ok?
thanks again
the Arsenal
Post by: boss on May 10, 2011, 01:29:59 PM
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Post by: GunnerStunner on May 10, 2011, 01:36:25 PM
If the Premier League season started when Dalglish took over, this is what the table would look like:
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yeah and IF arsenal didnt draw all them games ent?
IF :o :sleepy:
Post by: Bakes on May 10, 2011, 01:40:35 PM
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 10, 2011, 01:54:03 PM
Post by: kaliman2006 on May 10, 2011, 02:40:09 PM
not a liverpool fan... but love the way the making the run at the end.
I 2nd that...We even was hearing ridiculas religation talk in Oct/Nov...the team get a proper coach, compose themselves and to top it off.. get 50,000,000 for an out of form player..
dey deserve to play in Europe
Abramovich must really have money to waste in trute.
Post by: kaliman2006 on May 10, 2011, 02:42:48 PM
not a liverpool fan... but love the way the making the run at the end.
I 2nd that...We even was hearing ridiculas religation talk in Oct/Nov...the team get a proper coach, compose themselves and to top it off.. get 50,000,000 for an out of form player..
dey deserve to play in Europe
Wasn't dat ridiculous nah dred... we was 3rd from bottom :-\
I was actually beginning to contemplate watching the reds in the *gasp* championship next season during the slump under he who must not be named. I'm glad that that did not happen...
Post by: Bakes on May 10, 2011, 02:44:11 PM
Foiled by Crouch again! :devil:
Post by: kicker on May 10, 2011, 09:16:54 PM
He turned Fulham around, and is turning West Brom around...what happened at Liverpool where he had alot more talent to work with?... Is it that he just didn't have it to manage the bigger egos...or did he just need more time to adjust? e.g. His first season at Fulham he sucked, then he took to unprecedented highs in England and in Europe... I guess at a team as big as Liverpool, you don't get a full season to figure things out...understandably so I suppose.
Post by: sammy on May 10, 2011, 09:24:59 PM
aye pool!
do us all a favor win d league next year and shut fergie up :rotfl:
we go handle the years after that ok?
thanks again
the Arsenal
:devil:
u admit that u cant do the job yourselves?
Post by: Bakes on May 10, 2011, 10:34:01 PM
Would Hodgson have been able to rebound Liverpool if given a chance?
He turned Fulham around, and is turning West Brom around...what happened at Liverpool where he had alot more talent to work with?... Is it that he just didn't have it to manage the bigger egos...or did he just need more time to adjust? e.g. His first season at Fulham he sucked, then he took to unprecedented highs in England and in Europe... I guess at a team as big as Liverpool, you don't get a full season to figure things out...understandably so I suppose.
I dont think he had the buy-in of the players to begin with... nor did he inspire belief with his tactics, or confidence that he knew what he was doing in general. He might be able to motivate lesser sides but for a club with as huge a pedigree as Liverpool, a manager needs either achievement on his resume or a charismatic personality in order to inspire belief. Roy had neither.
Also, as I was saying recently to another forumite, it's entirely possible that the Liverpool locker room (that is to say Gerrard and Carra) saw him as an outsider and never really gave him a chance. I have no basis for saying this though... just argument. Personally, a manager is at times a field general, you might know your shit but it all comes down to motivating the men under your charge. At Anfield I just don't think Roy had it.
Post by: boss on May 11, 2011, 02:13:47 AM
Reports today suggest Liverpool will confirm Kenny Dalglish's permanent deal within 10 days. We expect it'll be after the Villa game 22/5. :beermug:
Post by: sammy on May 11, 2011, 06:48:00 AM
yeps,Would Hodgson have been able to rebound Liverpool if given a chance?
He turned Fulham around, and is turning West Brom around...what happened at Liverpool where he had alot more talent to work with?... Is it that he just didn't have it to manage the bigger egos...or did he just need more time to adjust? e.g. His first season at Fulham he sucked, then he took to unprecedented highs in England and in Europe... I guess at a team as big as Liverpool, you don't get a full season to figure things out...understandably so I suppose.
I dont think he had the buy-in of the players to begin with... nor did he inspire belief with his tactics, or confidence that he knew what he was doing in general. He might be able to motivate lesser sides but for a club with as huge a pedigree as Liverpool, a manager needs either achievement on his resume or a charismatic personality in order to inspire belief. Roy had neither.
Also, as I was saying recently to another forumite, it's entirely possible that the Liverpool locker room (that is to say Gerrard and Carra) saw him as an outsider and never really gave him a chance. I have no basis for saying this though... just argument. Personally, a manager is at times a field general, you might know your shit but it all comes down to motivating the men under your charge. At Anfield I just don't think Roy had it.
it it was all down to confidence. None from the players and fans, and for sure that will make u lose confidence in yourself. - not to mention the extra scrutiny from the press.
Post by: Touches on May 11, 2011, 06:52:29 AM
Congrats on the good end of season run...but may I ask...what is your take with the success of the team without Gerrard on the field.
I find alyuh looking good without him...do you think with him in the squad this turnaround would have happened?
Post by: Bakes on May 11, 2011, 09:04:18 AM
Liverpool Boys
Congrats on the good end of season run...but may I ask...what is your take with the success of the team without Gerrard on the field.
I find alyuh looking good without him...do you think with him in the squad this turnaround would have happened?
Absolutely... and without a doubt. First of all, let's not forget that he was part of the turn-around. He's been in and out of the lineup due to injury, but we started the turnaround (as it were) when we beat ManU at Anfield. We tend to focus on Gerrard's offensive forays, but he's a tremendously calming presence in midfield. Not only does he track back relentlessly, but he's always available (as Xabi was) as a release valve when teammates are put under pressure. Then you consider the threat he poses as a scorer and passer whenever the ball is at his feet and it further underscores the point.
Now Spearing has done a fabulous job in his absence on the defensive end. He and Lucas (in particular) have lifted their games beyond what any fan (and possibly the coaching staff) could have imagined. They have been the keys to why teenagers like Flanagan and Robinson could step into the starting lineup and not be exposed. You'd also have to credit Carra and Skrtel for helping the youths as well from their central defense positions. I remember in the Arsenal game how many times Skrtel would be almost on Flanagan's left shoulder anytime Walcott got the ball down the right side. Back to midfield, Meireles has reigned in his forays into the offensive box in order to lay back and provide cover and support in the middle... and then here at the death Maxi seems to have found his stroke, allowing for us to make that final push for 5th place (and Europa qualification).
The common thread in all of this is that the players have all individually upped their games, be it out of necessity, desperation or newfound belief... that bodes well for us in future because now the squad realizes how well they're capable of playing. Unless one is advancing the argument that the presence of Gerrard would have been a destabilizing influence or that team chemistry would have been affected... then it only stands to reason that for all their contributions in the middle, Gerrard was infinitely better at the things I credit Spearing, Meireles and Lucas for This means that his presence would have freed them up to focus more on their individual responsibilities, to go along with all of the other positives he himself would bring. In my mind it's a no-brainer that we would have been better... but long-term, there's tremendous growth to be had from it.
Post by: kicker on May 11, 2011, 09:19:17 AM
Among his peers he was always considered at the head of the pack, and he's considered by many to be a future leader and mainstay in Brazil's senior team...so it's no surprise that he's finally winning over the fans at Anfield.
I don't watch Liverpool play that much, but when Brazil last played Argentina, I was very very impressed with Lucas...apart from the last minute of the game when Messi broke free and scored, Lucas had him under total and complete manners when they matched up one-on-one.... which we all know is no easy feat.
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 11, 2011, 09:29:53 AM
no but we don't have 18 titles to our name and i doubt we can go 6years with nuttin then go 6 years straight to beat that although if we do it would be unfarkinbelievableaye pool!:devil:
do us all a favor win d league next year and shut fergie up :rotfl:
we go handle the years after that ok?
thanks again
the Arsenal
u admit that u cant do the job yourselves?
Post by: Bakes on May 11, 2011, 11:25:27 AM
Lucas was always a great talent at the youth levels, so I was always surprised that he never found his game at Liverpool
Among his peers he was always considered at the head of the pack, and he's considered by many to be a future leader and mainstay in Brazil's senior team...so it's no surprise that he's finally winning over the fans at Anfield.
I don't watch Liverpool play that much, but when Brazil last played Argentina, I was very very impressed with Lucas...apart from the last minute of the game when Messi broke free and scored, Lucas had him under total and complete manners when they matched up one-on-one.... which we all know is no easy feat.
Good stuff... I never really followed his career outside of Liverpool, basically because since coming to 'Pool he had none. Whatever promise he showed in the Brazilian national team was never realized at Anfield, and I think that too is reflected in his failure to get caps since joining the team. Now this I could be wrong on since I haven't seen ever Brazil game in that period, but I don't know of him being called up since joining the squad in 2007. His recent recall I think is a solid indicator of the work he's put in and accomplished over the course of the past two seasons. I'm happy for the yute, hard to believe he's still only 24... his future with Liverpool is bright, and I hope that holds true for Brazil going forward as well.
Post by: boss on May 12, 2011, 06:18:23 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-fCY4jUN_s
Post by: boss on May 12, 2011, 06:34:46 AM
Post by: Bakes on May 12, 2011, 07:12:24 AM
10 years ago today! :beermug:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-fCY4jUN_s
Michael Owen... what a special player he was at his best :-[
I see your post, and I raise you one though... 5 years ago, tomorrow :beermug:
http://www.youtube.com/v/dm6-S6T_nGk&feature=related
Not a day for the 'keepers... but I'm sure Reina will take it.
Post by: Tenorsaw on May 12, 2011, 07:34:22 AM
Post by: Bakes on May 13, 2011, 09:00:23 AM
Confirmed - Kenny Dalglish and Steve Clark have been given three year contracts. :beermug: Fantastic news and richly deserved!
Reds confirm Dalglish appointment
Updated May 12, 2011 8:37 PM ET
Liverpool have confirmed the appointment of Kenny Dalglish as their new permanent manager on a three-year contract.
Dalglish has been in temporary charge since replacing Roy Hodgson in January and the turnaround in results has been so great that his appointment as full-time boss was never in doubt.
Negotiations have been ongoing for several weeks but the final details have now been agreed.
Coach Steve Clarke, who also arrived in January, has also signed a three-year contract.
Dalglish said: "I said when I took the job on in January that I was just happy to help the club out for the remainder of the season.
"Now the owners have decided in their wisdom that they want me to stay a little longer and it's fantastic news for both myself and Steve Clarke that we have signed these contracts.
"Both (principal owner) John and (chairman) Tom (Werner) have taken their time to assess what was best for the football club and bring in the people they wanted to take the club forward.
"They are both winners, but understand what the supporters want from a Liverpool side and the way that we should go about things. This is a unique football club and I'm delighted to have the opportunity to help build something special here again."
Club owner Henry admitted there was no one else in the frame for the job, and said no one else could have achieved the turnaround in atmosphere at the club after the poor start to the season under Roy Hodgson.
"Kenny is a legendary Liverpool figure both as a supremely gifted footballer and successful manager," Henry said.
"Since returning in January he has shown extraordinary leadership and the ability to bring the best out of so many people associated with the club.
"It was obvious to us very early on that the atmosphere surrounding the club had been transformed by his presence. No one else could have produced such a response. Therefore, I'm delighted we have agreed to a new contract. We didn't need nor want to look elsewhere for the right man to manage the team.
"Working closely with him, we've seen first-hand his love for the club and his determination to do whatever is necessary to produce a winning side again. He has a unique relationship with our supporters and embodies everything that is special about the Liverpool way of doing things.
"Liverpool enjoys a global standing within the sport, but having Kenny in the dug-out will help us in our efforts to bring the best available talent to the club as we continue to move the club forward.
"I'm also pleased we have reached an agreement with Steve Clarke, as his contribution to Kenny's backroom team has been significant over the past four months."
http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/premierleague/story/Liverpools-owners-ready-to-confirm-Dalglish-as-permanent-boss
Post by: Bakes on May 15, 2011, 09:49:55 AM
Post by: Tenorsaw on May 15, 2011, 10:15:49 AM
Post by: Bakes on May 15, 2011, 10:19:22 AM
Howard Webb is a shithong! Poor call. Why does he feel the need to be the center of attraction?
I could agree more... MBE my ass. We opened that door with our shaky play though... Suarez seems just off his game and Tottenham winning the battle of midfield to this point. We real missing Meireles today.
EDIT:
Very disappointing game for Liverpool... it wasn't for lack of effort, but we just couldn't get it right today. Flanagan had his worst day in a Liverpool shirt, but he is going to be a very good player for a long time. I love how much he has grown in confidence as the season has progressed. I think Kenny has to reassess his decision to play Johnson at LB though... short term, that is where the need is, but long term Johnson is way more effective at RB, especially if we are to expect him to provide width by attacking down the flank.
Taking nothing away from Spurs however... I don't think they had a player put a foot wrong the entire match. Dawson and Kaboul really stood out for me today by bottling up Carroll and Suarez. It all starts in the middle though, and that is where we lost the game. Maxi was ineffective and Spearing never had the time nor space he needed to make those creative passes he's rapidly developing a knack for. That said, we still have more questions than answers coming out of this game. Down to the final day to see if we can get that final Europa spot... missing it may be a blessing in disguise, but it would be nice to get it, from a financial standpoint.
Post by: Tenorsaw on May 15, 2011, 10:54:38 AM
Ngog
Kyriagos
Cole
Poulsen
Post by: rotatopoti3 on May 15, 2011, 10:56:46 AM
Post by: Tenorsaw on May 15, 2011, 11:03:19 AM
D ref kill d blasted game with that dat shit penalty...I like dat Flanagan fella...had luck ..he made some good plays today...
Dat's England best referee. Says a lot, doesn't it?
Post by: rotatopoti3 on May 15, 2011, 12:12:51 PM
Sometimes ah feel dat FA like to create ah bit of drama to keep d interest of d league going....
If we had won today then next weeks game would not have drawn much interest but now its gonna to be interesting...
Spurs-With Birmingham losing today...they will be hyped to get out of relegation.
Liverpool- with Villa winning today and not having an advantage either way...they might take the foot off the peddle...either way...we must win
Post by: Mango Chow! on May 15, 2011, 12:36:25 PM
D ref kill d blasted game with that dat shit penalty...I like dat Flanagan fella...had luck ..he made some good plays today...
Cannot agree that he killed the game, liverpool didn't score one goal and still had the rest of the game to recover, but Spurs were pretty much in control of the game, but I couldn't agree more that it wasn't a penalty. Most times that I see this so-called "shoulder-to-shoulder" tackle NOT being called is when a man WITH possession or in an advantaged position TO the ball actually gettin' bumped off (fouled) by a defender and the refs doh call it....today, neither player had either and it actually was a free ball and a fair challenge by both players but Webb gave the benefit of the call to the Spurs player. But so it goes, what sweet in goat mout'...some of the same men I seein' here that doggin' Howard Webb is men that not too long ago was ratin' him as "England's best referee". In my book he has always been a little overrated and a tad bit inconsistent for the stature he has been given for quite some time. Over the past few years or so it has really been hard to pick out a ref from the EPL that one can say has truly been top notch. I think Riley retired a couple seasons ago?...thak God fuh dat!
Post by: Feliziano on May 22, 2011, 06:29:16 PM
Thanks to King Kenny and Steve Clarke for that push of respectability
Wishlist In:
Left Back - Enrique or Zhirkov
Backup Centre Back - Roger Johnson
Left Mid/Wing - Matt Jarvis or Balaz Dzsudzak-PSV & Charlie Adam (get him just for the fact deadballs and drive and when Stevie G injured lol)
Backup Strikers - Rodallega or Piquionne & Demba Ba
Wishlist Out:
Eggnog, Joe Cole, Poulsen, Aurelio, Jovanovic and Maxi.
Post by: Bakes on May 22, 2011, 06:34:54 PM
I'm disappointed in the 6th place finish... but all things considered it's a very fair result. Missing out on European dollars will be tough, but the lighter schedule may prove a blessing in disguise.
Post by: Trini Madness on May 22, 2011, 11:51:42 PM
10 years ago today! :beermug:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-fCY4jUN_s
Michael Owen... what a special player he was at his best :-[
I see your post, and I raise you one though... 5 years ago, tomorrow :beermug:
http://www.youtube.com/v/dm6-S6T_nGk&feature=related
Not a day for the 'keepers... but I'm sure Reina will take it.
i couldnt wait till the 25th, ran across this vid on youtube. almost brought a tear to my eye.
http://www.youtube.com/v/YHtjmofqBeM
Post by: Bakes on June 08, 2011, 09:34:18 PM
By Sportsmail Reporter
Last updated at 5:59 PM on 22nd April 2011
Liverpool have wrapped up a £25m-a-year kit deal with Boston-based company Warrior Sports — a record for English football and twice what adidas currently pay.
Warrior, a subsidiary of New Balance, will take over from adidas ahead of the 2012-13 season and it is expected to be a long-term relationship which puts Nike’s deal with Manchester United - worth £23.5m - into the shade.
The news comes as a huge blow to their current kit manufacturers as Liverpool's shirt is the fourth-highest selling replica in the world.
Around 900,000 shirts are sold annually, a number only beaten by North West rivals United, plus Spanish giants Real Madrid and Barcelona.
Liverpool owner John W Henry had said that the club would only spend money that it generates and with Champions League football at least another season away, the promise of funds will boost the club's muscle in the transfer market.
New Balance, a brand best-known for its running shoes, has been increasing its footprint in other sports for some time now and recently announced a deal with the Boston Red Sox to manufacture their kits.
Warrior are a big player in the United States where they have traditionally been associated with ice hockey and lacrosse.
The company, set up by Dave Morrow - who also invented the first ever titanium lacrosse stick - was bought out by New Balance in 2004.
The brand was transformed from a niche-market player to a huge brand big enough to sign a multi-year deal with the baseball giants Red Sox.
As part of the company's expansion, they have increased the number of player sponsorships and worldwide sales totalling £1billion has facilitated the move into football.
United's deal with Nike runs until 2015 and the club will be expecting to to negotiate a deal that places them in a higher price bracket to Liverpool.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/04/22/article-1379466-0BBBBC5300000578-982_468x224.jpg)
Sign of things to come: The Warrior logo which will adorn the Liverpool kits
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1379466/Liverpools-mammoth-25m-year-Warrior-kit-deal-rewrites-record-books.html#ixzz1OkKd8AZ9
Post by: Tenorsaw on June 08, 2011, 11:07:44 PM
Liverpool's mammoth £25m-a-year Warrior kit deal rewrites the record books
By Sportsmail Reporter
Last updated at 5:59 PM on 22nd April 2011
Liverpool have wrapped up a £25m-a-year kit deal with Boston-based company Warrior Sports — a record for English football and twice what adidas currently pay.
Warrior, a subsidiary of New Balance, will take over from adidas ahead of the 2012-13 season and it is expected to be a long-term relationship which puts Nike’s deal with Manchester United - worth £23.5m - into the shade.
The news comes as a huge blow to their current kit manufacturers as Liverpool's shirt is the fourth-highest selling replica in the world.
Around 900,000 shirts are sold annually, a number only beaten by North West rivals United, plus Spanish giants Real Madrid and Barcelona.
Liverpool owner John W Henry had said that the club would only spend money that it generates and with Champions League football at least another season away, the promise of funds will boost the club's muscle in the transfer market.
New Balance, a brand best-known for its running shoes, has been increasing its footprint in other sports for some time now and recently announced a deal with the Boston Red Sox to manufacture their kits.
Warrior are a big player in the United States where they have traditionally been associated with ice hockey and lacrosse.
The company, set up by Dave Morrow - who also invented the first ever titanium lacrosse stick - was bought out by New Balance in 2004.
The brand was transformed from a niche-market player to a huge brand big enough to sign a multi-year deal with the baseball giants Red Sox.
As part of the company's expansion, they have increased the number of player sponsorships and worldwide sales totalling £1billion has facilitated the move into football.
United's deal with Nike runs until 2015 and the club will be expecting to to negotiate a deal that places them in a higher price bracket to Liverpool.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/04/22/article-1379466-0BBBBC5300000578-982_468x224.jpg)
Sign of things to come: The Warrior logo which will adorn the Liverpool kits
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1379466/Liverpools-mammoth-25m-year-Warrior-kit-deal-rewrites-record-books.html#ixzz1OkKd8AZ9
Bakes, how yuh late on this one so? ;) Interesting how some of these niche sports companies are making their foray into football. Spurs will wear Under Armour next season.
Post by: Bakes on June 08, 2011, 11:56:01 PM
Bakes, how yuh late on this one so? ;) Interesting how some of these niche sports companies are making their foray into football. Spurs will wear Under Armour next season.
Lol... ah somehow miss dis man. Besides, de thread dying fuh action ;D
Post by: DeSoWa on June 09, 2011, 02:43:10 PM
Big Up!
Post by: Trini Madness on June 09, 2011, 03:22:56 PM
Bakes, yuh hear anything about the Clichy deal? I know you on top of things for your club, so maybe you know something. I think Arsenal will miss him, but not sure if he is a good fit for you guys.
Big Up!
nothing yet on the liverpool website. there's some articles talking about other left backs, monreal of osasuna and cissokho of lyon.
there also is a move that may take place soon with downing for 10 million.
Post by: Bakes on June 09, 2011, 03:29:00 PM
Bakes, yuh hear anything about the Clichy deal? I know you on top of things for your club, so maybe you know something. I think Arsenal will miss him, but not sure if he is a good fit for you guys.
Big Up!
Yeah what Trini Madness say... I'm on a couple Liverpool groups on FB, there and the UK papers are my real source, nothing "insider" lol
Post by: Tenorsaw on June 09, 2011, 04:09:54 PM
Post by: Tenorsaw on June 10, 2011, 11:46:02 AM
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Fergie already rattled by Liverpool FC's squad plans
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liver...0252-28853719/
LAUREN DALGLISH, we were once famously informed, had more sense at the age of six weeks than the manager of Manchester United. Little Lauren is now a grown up 23, but she’d still struggle to tell us why Alex Ferguson has just shelled out £16m on a young centre-back with 35 Premier League appearances to his name.
Because the United manager himself might struggle to explain why.
No matter what potential Phil Jones possesses – and he’s already been compared to a young John Terry – he’s joined a club which already has a world class central defensive partnership in Rio Ferdinand and Nemanja Vidic, a club with accomplished back up in Chris Smalling, a club with another international class defender in Jonny Evans. And if that’s not enough, the small matter of Wes Brown and John O’Shea – with almost 700 first-team appearances between them.
Oh, and Ferguson still has designs on another up and coming young centre-back,18-year-old Raphael Varane from Lens.
Where does Phil Jones fit into all that?
Or could it be, just possibly, that Fergie got wind of Kenny Dalglish’s interest in the young defender and jumped first?
Kenny’s interest in the young Englishman wasn’t just paper talk. And it doesn’t end there.
Fergie 2 Kop 0, trumpeted the back page of one national newspaper this week, as they speculated that Ferguson also intended to ambush Liverpool’s interest in Ashley Young.
That’s another head scratcher.
Young is undeniably a fine player.But he plays in the same position as Nani - more Premier League assists than any other player last season, the highly regarded Antonio Valencia, the vastly under-rated Ji Sung Park and the legendary Ryan Giggs.So why would Ferguson be interested?
If you think the United boss wouldn’t be so petty as to snap up players simply because his Scottish rival wanted them, then you won’t remember his discomfiture at Liverpool signing Glenn Hysen back in 1989.
A classy, ball-playing Swedish centre-half, Hysen had toured Old Trafford, enjoyed a buffet lunch, shaken hands on a deal with chairman Martin Edwards then flown back to Italy.
Negotiations mysteriously stalled, and when Ferguson and Edwards flew out to Florence to investigate why, Hysen’s agent told them that his client had already signed for Liverpool.
Ferguson’s fury multiplied when the Swede was named Man of the Match on his debut at Wembley in the FA Charity Shield and became the defensive lynchpin of Liverpool’s last title winning team.
Kenny couldn’t resist having a little nibble in his 1996 autobiography.
“Journalists made a fuss about me nipping in for Glenn Hysen when Fergie was about to sign him. That doesn’t create rancour; that’s business,” he wrote.
“We are both going for the best players. Sometimes managers of PLC clubs like Manchester United cannot spend money quickly.
“They have to get permission from the PLC board. If United’s wheels move slowly, that’s no concern of mine.”
Ferguson will have committed those words to heart. And he was desperate to ensure that the wheels moved quicker this summer.
That Hysen anecdote came in an entire chapter devoted to Dalglish’s relationship with Ferguson.
In it the Liverpool boss stressed over and over that there is no feud, no animosity, no simmering resentment.
I believe him.
But of course there’s a keen rivalry.
How could there not fail to be between two Glaswegians managing Liverpool and Manchester United?
Kenny Dalglish has always got under Alex Ferguson’s skin – and it promises to make for great viewing next season.
Ferguson thinks he’s finally knocked Liverpool off their perch.
But there’s a manager back in town who’s already got him rattled. This week’s transfer business underlines it.
Looks like Fergie and Kenny are at it again. Now Fergie is returning the favor. The battle is on! ;D
Post by: Bakes on June 10, 2011, 10:01:22 PM
Next thing... no sour grapes but I go real laugh if Ashley Young go to Man U b/c that is another Dimitar Berbatov waiting to happen. Ask Mascherano how he enjoying riding bench in Barcelona.
Post by: Tenorsaw on June 10, 2011, 10:59:33 PM
These backroom shenanigans is what I tried to educate dat yute Small Mag on earlier... but he can't see it. Kenny playing Fergie fuh a puppet by suddenly piping in with interest in Jones. We done have three Phil Jones' in the squad and don't need to be spending 16M for him... but nice to force ManU to spend money unnecessarily. And look thing now... Blackburn turn around and holding up the deal for more money now :rotfl:
Next thing... no sour grapes but I go real laugh if Ashley Young go to Man U b/c that is another Dimitar Berbatov waiting to happen. Ask Mascherano how he enjoying riding bench in Barcelona.
Sir Alex knows Dalgish is the only manager to really distress him. That is still in the back of his mind
Post by: triniairman on June 11, 2011, 08:46:32 AM
These backroom shenanigans is what I tried to educate dat yute Small Mag on earlier... but he can't see it. Kenny playing Fergie fuh a puppet by suddenly piping in with interest in Jones. We done have three Phil Jones' in the squad and don't need to be spending 16M for him... but nice to force ManU to spend money unnecessarily. And look thing now... Blackburn turn around and holding up the deal for more money now :rotfl:I personally don't like the Young buy, I think he buying these players to replace aging legs and retiring players.
Next thing... no sour grapes but I go real laugh if Ashley Young go to Man U b/c that is another Dimitar Berbatov waiting to happen. Ask Mascherano how he enjoying riding bench in Barcelona.
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on June 11, 2011, 09:33:47 AM
5 clubs in the top 6 were all in for Jones..Arsenal actually showed the most interest by offering highest Wages and a personal meeting with Wenger. We bid the release clause(16 million) which allowed us to offer terms etc and the player immediately agreed even though Arsenal were in talks and Liverpool too.. Fergie wanted him next season(2012/13) (Rio would be 34) but he's obviously thinking Rio's days are coming to an end with his Injury problems and with 5 other clubs bidding couldnt afford to risk losing Rio's replacement as Fergie sees it.
Brown and O'Shea are on their way out, maybe Evans too.. Rio, Vidic, Smalling and Jones are the 4 CB's that will be there next season.. Evans is still young and learning and on his day he is tops and can play LB... Jones offers versatility too.. CDM, RB, LB , and his primary position CB.
Ashley Young was on Pool's radar but he wanted CL football and United were interested too. The writer says he plays Nani position.. Nani is a right winger and Young plays on the left or behind the striker..yes he can play RW too but United are buying him to be the left wing saviour as Nani fir all his assists and goals isnt the same player on the left as he is on the right... Valencia Nani and Young will all rotate untill we find the perfect balance
Giggs cannot be used as frequent on the wing as he is 37 in the fastest most demanding league...Park will rotate too and is injury prone. Obertan will either be sold or sent out on loan.
Before allyuh look at how a Championship winning team is constructed with Quality and Quantity in Depth and with a Gaffer that manages the rotation and squad selection to a f**king T, a man that has built 12 EPL winning teams, allyuh want to think its about getting 2 players so Liverpool dont get them..you really think a man like Fergie will have time to think of shit like that? Yes he must study I hope these clubs dont get him but thats only If he is 100% convinced the boy will do good at the club.
16 million is the man release clause..everyone would have to pay it.. so hide behind your thoughts that allyuh raised the price, hid behind the thought that the winners of 19 league titles are worried about a squad that is led by Henderson who finished 7th and 6th in the last 2 seasons have United worried. Yes I do think you lot will be much improved next season but our biggest rivals are City and Chelsea next season.. that is a fact
I find it funny that a team that just spent 20 million pounds on Henderson who has 1 cap and 35 million pounds on Carroll want to laugh at a team that "overspent" on Jones when their own club was willing to pay the "ridiculous" 16 million release clause
LOLS X 19
Post by: Tenorsaw on June 11, 2011, 07:05:29 PM
Post by: Bakes on June 11, 2011, 07:37:31 PM
Small Mag, no one is saying that you overspent on Jones, as young English players always go at a premium. Point of the article is that Sir Alex is rattled by Dalgish's return to management, given that Dalgish has been his distressor in the past. ;)
Why you wasting yuh breath dred? Lol... everybody does overspend but ManU. The 13m we spend on Henderson is hilarious but the 16m (and soon to be more) that Ferguson spend on Jones is smart business ;)
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One player Liverpool won't be getting is Ashley Young. With United basing their entire transfer strategy on signing whoever Liverpool show a fleeting interest in – which probably wouldn't have been so clever during the Gérard Houllier or Rafa Benítez era – it means they'll be signing the Aston Villa winger for £20m. According to the Mirror, Young will sign a five-year deal worth £130,000 a week, although getting Young doesn't actually solve that great gaping hole in the centre of United's midfield. Just sign as many fleet-footed tricksters as you want, Sir Alex, and no one will notice. It's always worked for Arsenal. Meanwhile Tomasz Kuszczak has told Ferguson to pick him or he'll leave United. As far as ultimatums go, it's up there with the BBC threatening to destroy every episode of My Family.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jun/10/football-transfer-rumours-samir-nasri?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487
Post by: Tenorsaw on June 11, 2011, 09:24:59 PM
Post by: Bakes on June 16, 2011, 11:48:30 AM
Thursday 16 June 2011 11.38 BST
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Liverpool FC's third kit for the 2011-12 season incorporates blue – or, as the club
delicately puts it, cyan. Photograph: taken from Liverpoolfc.tv
• New third-choice kit includes colour associated with Everton
• Supporters react with outrage on social media
Andy Hunter
guardian.co.uk
Liverpool will wear blue next season; or at least a splash of the colour synonymous with the other half of Merseyside, whenever the team adopts the club's new third-choice kit.
Photographs of Steven Gerrard, Dirk Kuyt and Luis Suárez wearing the new strip were released today as Liverpool launched its latest range and supporters reacted on messageboards and Twitter with a combination of outrage and incomprehension.
According to the advertising pitch, the product is "a throwback to Liverpool's first ever home kit back in 1892 which incorporated alternate white and blue halves." It is also officially "white, cyan and black in colour".
Those who refuse to have the wool pulled over their eyes note the blue is the same as the predominant colour in the logo of the club's main sponsor, Standard Chartered.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jun/16/liverpool-blue-kit?CMP=twt_gu%EF%BB%BF
Post by: Bakes on June 16, 2011, 12:38:22 PM
Post by: Trini Madness on June 16, 2011, 04:56:19 PM
Post by: Bakes on June 16, 2011, 05:38:12 PM
who would you rather downing or cazorla to play the left wing?
Hard to say.. on the one hand I really like Cazorla, but I haven't really seen a whole lot of him seeing that I don't get to see Villareal but once or twice a year... if that. I thought he had a chance to really shine last summer but obviously injury took care of that, but the promising sign is that he's back in the national picture. So I like the potential he offers, but haven't seen much to rate him myself.
Downing on the other hand I've seen a lot of, for both Boro and England, but I find him inconsistent. On the one, he's already accustomed to the English game, but on the other his game itself is bland, just like so many other English players. If I had to choose right now I'd probably say Cazorla.
Post by: Tenorsaw on June 16, 2011, 05:51:13 PM
Liverpool brave fan reaction with blue kit
Thursday 16 June 2011 11.38 BST
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Liverpool FC's third kit for the 2011-12 season incorporates blue – or, as the club
delicately puts it, cyan. Photograph: taken from Liverpoolfc.tv
• New third-choice kit includes colour associated with Everton
• Supporters react with outrage on social media
Andy Hunter
guardian.co.uk
Liverpool will wear blue next season; or at least a splash of the colour synonymous with the other half of Merseyside, whenever the team adopts the club's new third-choice kit.
Photographs of Steven Gerrard, Dirk Kuyt and Luis Suárez wearing the new strip were released today as Liverpool launched its latest range and supporters reacted on messageboards and Twitter with a combination of outrage and incomprehension.
According to the advertising pitch, the product is "a throwback to Liverpool's first ever home kit back in 1892 which incorporated alternate white and blue halves." It is also officially "white, cyan and black in colour".
Those who refuse to have the wool pulled over their eyes note the blue is the same as the predominant colour in the logo of the club's main sponsor, Standard Chartered.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jun/16/liverpool-blue-kit?CMP=twt_gu%EF%BB%BF
Don't know what is all the fuss about. The kit is pretty. So what, we were formed to replace Everton when they were evicted from Anfield, but we ended up becoming the bigger of the two clubs. We can't deny our history. I buy one today. I doh care.
Post by: Tenorsaw on June 16, 2011, 05:53:38 PM
So supposedly Newell's Old Boys have expressed an interest in Maxi and he's indicated a desire to return to Argentina. Meireles has also drawn some interest from Inter, who seem keen on him. With the new direction to younger players and a bloated payroll (Aquilani, Poulsen, Cole)... Kenny might be tempted to listen to a couple offers.
Part of rationale for maybe selling Meireles is that he is seen as injury prone, and at 28, he doesn't fit in with the trend that the club wants to go: young talent. I think he's been very good thus far though. We definitely missed him last couple of games.
Post by: Bakes on June 16, 2011, 07:36:36 PM
Don't know what is all the fuss about. The kit is pretty. So what, we were formed to replace Everton when they were evicted from Anfield, but we ended up becoming the bigger of the two clubs. We can't deny our history. I buy one today. I doh care.
You serious? lol... nah dred, dat ting ugly. Blue is my favorite color, but dat ent wukkin fuh me. Me eh ever care about the whole Everton talk... Everton cyah compare tuh we and is only twice a year people even mention them in the same sentence.
Post by: Tenorsaw on June 16, 2011, 10:54:42 PM
Post by: Trini Madness on June 16, 2011, 10:57:39 PM
who would you rather downing or cazorla to play the left wing?
Hard to say.. on the one hand I really like Cazorla, but I haven't really seen a whole lot of him seeing that I don't get to see Villareal but once or twice a year... if that. I thought he had a chance to really shine last summer but obviously injury took care of that, but the promising sign is that he's back in the national picture. So I like the potential he offers, but haven't seen much to rate him myself.
Downing on the other hand I've seen a lot of, for both Boro and England, but I find him inconsistent. On the one, he's already accustomed to the English game, but on the other his game itself is bland, just like so many other English players. If I had to choose right now I'd probably say Cazorla.
i think i'd go with cazorla also. i havent seen too much of him either like you said maybe once or twice during the year. but recently i did see him play against usa and he played an awesome game. mata of valencia is another name that i saw under the radar, wouldnt mind him either.
Post by: kicker on June 17, 2011, 08:30:18 AM
Post by: mukumsplau on June 24, 2011, 03:04:10 PM
Post by: Bakes on June 24, 2011, 03:15:12 PM
im seeing juventus is being linked to mierless....any weight behind the rumours?
Supposedly was Inter after him last week... I don't want to see him leave as he was our best midfield player last season and at 28 (bald pate notwithstanding) still had a lot of football in him. But if he wants to go then bless his heart... the club will carry on. Truth is with Henderson's arrival and Poulsen, Aquilani et al still on the payroll, Kenny might be tempted for that £13 million price being reported.
Post by: mukumsplau on June 24, 2011, 10:37:20 PM
im seeing juventus is being linked to mierless....any weight behind the rumours?
Supposedly was Inter after him last week... I don't want to see him leave as he was our best midfield player last season and at 28 (bald pate notwithstanding) still had a lot of football in him. But if he wants to go then bless his heart... the club will carry on. Truth is with Henderson's arrival and Poulsen, Aquilani et al still on the payroll, Kenny might be tempted for that £13 million price being reported.
cool...i never really watched him too good to determine what kind of midfielder he is and if he could fit in Conte's 4-2-4 system with cuz with pirlo as one of the 2 CMs u hadda pair him wit d right kinda centre mid..
when august turn i hadda do a crash course in all things liverpool to get ready for d new season...i go walk wid dem...i go hadda get over dis hatred for gerrard tho...ah jes doh like d man for some reason!
Post by: Bakes on June 25, 2011, 07:18:22 AM
cool...i never really watched him too good to determine what kind of midfielder he is and if he could fit in Conte's 4-2-4 system with cuz with pirlo as one of the 2 CMs u hadda pair him wit d right kinda centre mid..
when august turn i hadda do a crash course in all things liverpool to get ready for d new season...i go walk wid dem...i go hadda get over dis hatred for gerrard tho...ah jes doh like d man for some reason!
Meireles is a real boss most don't know much about him because this was his first season outside of Portugal. I knew of him only because of stints with the national team, and the occasional Porto Champions League game, but really didn't know what we was buying. But the man came in and was a boss from day one... he was the key reason why our season turned around. Suarez stole the headlines towards the end, and coupled with some late scratches due to injury his play down the stretch didn't match his early impact, but fans voted him player of the year. True that's more popularity than anything, but it tells you the overall impact the man had on the team. I think he'll be fantastic in Italy... but again, doh really want to see him go.
Post by: Tenorsaw on June 25, 2011, 01:19:05 PM
cool...i never really watched him too good to determine what kind of midfielder he is and if he could fit in Conte's 4-2-4 system with cuz with pirlo as one of the 2 CMs u hadda pair him wit d right kinda centre mid..
when august turn i hadda do a crash course in all things liverpool to get ready for d new season...i go walk wid dem...i go hadda get over dis hatred for gerrard tho...ah jes doh like d man for some reason!
Meireles is a real boss most don't know much about him because this was his first season outside of Portugal. I knew of him only because of stints with the national team, and the occasional Porto Champions League game, but really didn't know what we was buying. But the man came in and was a boss from day one... he was the key reason why our season turned around. Suarez stole the headlines towards the end, and coupled with some late scratches due to injury his play down the stretch didn't match his early impact, but fans voted him player of the year. True that's more popularity than anything, but it tells you the overall impact the man had on the team. I think he'll be fantastic in Italy... but again, doh really want to see him go.
Good player: box-to-box midfielder. Good passing range, good skill, and great striker of the ball. He seems to have a knack for getting in the right positions to score. You can't buy that skill. Only concern is that he might be a bit injury prone, and at 28 does not fit into the longterm strategy of the club - buying young and having resale value. If they could get 13 mil for him from Juve, I think they'll let him go.
Post by: Tenorsaw on July 06, 2011, 08:19:24 AM
Liverpool agree deal to buy Blackpool's Charlie Adam
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E-mail this to a friend Printable version Liverpool have reached agreement with Blackpool for the transfer of Scottish midfielder Charlie Adam.
The Anfield club said Adam, 25, will now travel to Merseyside for a medical and to discuss personal terms.
In the January transfer window the Reds had two bids - the second worth £6.5m - rejected by the Seasiders, who were reportedly holding out for £9m.
But Liverpool reopened talks at the end of the season for a player who had only 12 months left on his contract.
More to follow.
I guess Enriques, Downing or Mata next... ;D
Post by: Bakes on July 06, 2011, 09:56:20 AM
Post by: Tenorsaw on July 06, 2011, 10:15:30 AM
Villa rejected our opening bid of £15m or Downing... which is fine with me. I know Kenny'll up the bid, but would much prefer Mata or Cazorla.
Been saying the same thing...Mata is the man I'd like. No way Dowming worth 20 mil. No disrespect, because he has been consistently a good EPL performer both with Borough and with Villa after he came back from surgery. Villa just playing hard ball, cause they have already lost Young, and they don't want to send the message to already irate fans pissed off about the hiring of McLeish that they are a selling club with no ambition to challenge the big boys.
Post by: Bakes on July 14, 2011, 09:43:07 AM
Been saying the same thing...Mata is the man I'd like. No way Dowming worth 20 mil. No disrespect, because he has been consistently a good EPL performer both with Borough and with Villa after he came back from surgery. Villa just playing hard ball, cause they have already lost Young, and they don't want to send the message to already irate fans pissed off about the hiring of McLeish that they are a selling club with no ambition to challenge the big boys.
Well a £20m fee (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jul/13/liverpool-stewart-downing-aston-villa) has been agreed upon with Villa... so now only personal terms need to be worked out with Downing. I'm not convinced... but greater minds apparently are.
In other news... Konchesky, bought from Fulham for £3m, sold to Leicester City for £1.5m
Post by: kicker on July 14, 2011, 11:23:44 AM
Good player: box-to-box midfielder. Good passing range, good skill, and great striker of the ball. He seems to have a knack for getting in the right positions to score. You can't buy that skill. Only concern is that he might be a bit injury prone, and at 28 does not fit into the longterm strategy of the club - buying young and having resale value. If they could get 13 mil for him from Juve, I think they'll let him go.
From what I remember he was Portugal's best player this past WC... quality fo' sho'.
As far as his age goes, even with the buy low sell high strategy, yuh might have to keep some upper 20's men around for balance, especially in crucial parts of the field where experience shines bright....
Post by: Tenorsaw on July 14, 2011, 11:48:35 AM
Been saying the same thing...Mata is the man I'd like. No way Dowming worth 20 mil. No disrespect, because he has been consistently a good EPL performer both with Borough and with Villa after he came back from surgery. Villa just playing hard ball, cause they have already lost Young, and they don't want to send the message to already irate fans pissed off about the hiring of McLeish that they are a selling club with no ambition to challenge the big boys.
Well a £20m fee (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jul/13/liverpool-stewart-downing-aston-villa) has been agreed upon with Villa... so now only personal terms need to be worked out with Downing. I'm not convinced... but greater minds apparently are.
In other news... Konchesky, bought from Fulham for £3m, sold to Leicester City for £1.5m
I just think that all English talent is inflated. He wasa definitely on last season, and was easily Middlesborough's best player when they were in the EPL. I thought that Villa playeed hard ball and we sort of wanted him. I don't doubt Dalgish though. His history of buying for 'Pool has been very solid. Now time for a left back: Enriques (Newcastle not budging on that 15 mil price tag), Cissoko, Alvaro Pereira, or Wayne Bridge? Choose one. I think we really want Enriques, but Newcastle really not budging.
Post by: Bakes on July 14, 2011, 12:03:08 PM
I just think that all English talent is inflated. He wasa definitely on last season, and was easily Middlesborough's best player when they were in the EPL. I thought that Villa playeed hard ball and we sort of wanted him. I don't doubt Dalgish though. His history of buying for 'Pool has been very solid. Now time for a left back: Enriques (Newcastle not budging on that 15 mil price tag), Cissoko, Alvaro Pereira, or Wayne Bridge? Choose one. I think we really want Enriques, but Newcastle really not budging.
I like Downing enough... can't remember much of him from his 'boro days to be honest. My thing is that Kenny looking at his pace on the left to create width for us, and he has a nice left footed cross... perfect for Andy Carroll. But what happens on days when that not clicking... as I posted in the LFCNY group? Or when Carroll's out? Can he create on his own? Given that Ashley Young largely played the left side, have we seen enough of him to say he will thrive there? As I said, I have my doubts... but obviously I don't have all the information and the keen eye that the coaching staff does. I just hope it works out.
Post by: boss on July 14, 2011, 01:06:16 PM
Regarding the prices, I think we have to come to terms with the fact that we are going to be paying over the odds for a while. New (or at least recent) owners will always lead to a premium being demanded. Plus, as Tenorsaw said, English talent is inflated now, especially with the new Financial Fair Play rules taking effect soon.
I'm really excited about the potential formations that Dalglish might play.
Post by: Tenorsaw on July 14, 2011, 04:31:42 PM
Can't disagree with anything that's been said. Downing wouldn't have been in my Dream XI, but he brings width on the field and depth to the squad. Plus, the Villa fans I've spoken to said he was like a new player this past season, and won Player of the Year (over Agbonlahor, Young etc).
Regarding the prices, I think we have to come to terms with the fact that we are going to be paying over the odds for a while. New (or at least recent) owners will always lead to a premium being demanded. Plus, as Tenorsaw said, English talent is inflated now, especially with the new Financial Fair Play rules taking effect soon.
I'm really excited about the potential formations that Dalglish might play.
Yeah man, trust in Kenny. Is not like de man hasn't been successful. He even do it at Blackburn. He is known to be very fluid in his tactics, so I imagine we'll see a lot of that this season. Downing is now molding into the player that he was supposed to be. If he keeps it up, he will become an England regular. I expect him to now get even better, as he isa now around a better core of players than at Villa and Borough.
Post by: Trini Madness on July 16, 2011, 12:42:42 PM
edi: 6-3 game done
Post by: Bakes on July 16, 2011, 12:55:22 PM
anybody else taking in de malaysia XI v. liverpool game? good game going on. 4-3 liverpool leading right now with a few minutes left. i have to give malaysia credit they playing hard. as for liverpool de fellas looking sharp, couple loose ends but its only pre-season. aquilani playing good. under dalglish i think anything is possible. aquilani and meireles will become a very dangerous duo in the mid.
edi: 6-3 game done
Where was it showing? Missed it, but hopefully they'll replay it later.
From the Malaysia tour... check de makeover some Liverpool fans give this idiot fella :devil:
http://www.youtube.com/v/Cv-CW3dkhvE
Post by: Trini Madness on July 16, 2011, 03:29:30 PM
anybody else taking in de malaysia XI v. liverpool game? good game going on. 4-3 liverpool leading right now with a few minutes left. i have to give malaysia credit they playing hard. as for liverpool de fellas looking sharp, couple loose ends but its only pre-season. aquilani playing good. under dalglish i think anything is possible. aquilani and meireles will become a very dangerous duo in the mid.
edi: 6-3 game done
Where was it showing? Missed it, but hopefully they'll replay it later.
From the Malaysia tour... check de makeover some Liverpool fans give this idiot fella :devil:
http://www.youtube.com/v/Cv-CW3dkhvE
it was showing on FSC. they might show a re-run. not sure about that.
LMAO @ that fella!!!!! but come nah man yuh know better than that! coming to a liverpool game wearing a man u jersey? he lucky it wasnt at anfield, he woulda come out of anfield in a body bag.
Post by: rotatopoti3 on July 16, 2011, 05:04:42 PM
all dem years he supporting d wrong team....yuh could see like he realize d shit he doe and he want tuh convert...
...he sit down dey pondering....how to save face....
he lucky dat happen in Malaysia....
tis video should be used everytime we play Manure... ;D
Post by: Bakes on July 16, 2011, 05:23:45 PM
By de end ah de vid he look like he needed ah hug :rotfl:
Sidenote: These Far East tours is real money making propaganda boy oui foote.
Post by: Trini Madness on July 17, 2011, 12:31:24 PM
sadist real brave tuh go in ah Liverpool section and do dat...
all dem years he supporting d wrong team....yuh could see like he realize d shit he doe and he want tuh convert...
...he sit down dey pondering....how to save face....
he lucky dat happen in Malaysia....
tis video should be used everytime we play Manure... ;D
i like this one better! ;D
http://www.youtube.com/v/2hvZQHt9_K0
Post by: Tenorsaw on July 17, 2011, 01:47:41 PM
Post by: rotatopoti3 on July 17, 2011, 06:36:28 PM
Wha movie was that from..?
Post by: Trini Madness on July 17, 2011, 06:56:27 PM
TriniMadness...nice video..... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Begbie never seems to disappoint...he was real kicks in Trainspotting too...
Wha movie was that from..?
yea trainspotting is a classic! this was from formula 51. decent movie.
Post by: rotatopoti3 on July 18, 2011, 04:42:25 AM
cheers for dat Tmadness...appreciated...will have a look
Post by: boss on July 18, 2011, 05:12:11 AM
Also, Liverpool as a city isn't as bad as portrayed in that movie ;D :beermug:
Post by: Feliziano on August 01, 2011, 09:33:13 AM
Come on Kenny, time to start playing our 1st XI barring injuries
I think we should keep Aquilani; Stevie G already missing for a month and I'm not convinced on Henderson.
We should just cut our losses on Poulsen, Jovanovic, Degen, Joe Cole etc. Keep Insua and Eggnog unless we getting Enrique and the Korean Young.
On another note, Newcastle has to be the worst run cub in England steups.
Post by: Bakes on August 01, 2011, 11:10:38 AM
Pre-season game against Valeranga of Norway on FSC 1pm Est
Come on Kenny, time to start playing our 1st XI barring injuries
I think we should keep Aquilani; Stevie G already missing for a month and I'm not convinced on Henderson.
We should just cut our losses on Poulsen, Jovanovic, Degen, Joe Cole etc. Keep Insua and Eggnog unless we getting Enrique and the Korean Young.
On another note, Newcastle has to be the worst run cub in England steups.
Latest word is that Aquilani on his way to Fiorentina and Jovanovic back to Belgium with Anderlecht. Ngog is drawing interest from other teams still, I think was Bolton I see express an interest.
As for New Castle... WOW! That team in an absolute mess... first Carroll then Nolan, now Barton. Liverpool should really make a push for Jose Enrique now... a bet they could get him now.
Post by: Tenorsaw on August 01, 2011, 12:34:22 PM
Pre-season game against Valeranga of Norway on FSC 1pm Est
Come on Kenny, time to start playing our 1st XI barring injuries
I think we should keep Aquilani; Stevie G already missing for a month and I'm not convinced on Henderson.
We should just cut our losses on Poulsen, Jovanovic, Degen, Joe Cole etc. Keep Insua and Eggnog unless we getting Enrique and the Korean Young.
On another note, Newcastle has to be the worst run cub in England steups.
Latest word is that Aquilani on his way to Fiorentina and Jovanovic back to Belgium with Anderlecht. Ngog is drawing interest from other teams still, I think was Bolton I see express an interest.
As for New Castle... WOW! That team in an absolute mess... first Carroll then Nolan, now Barton. Liverpool should really make a push for Jose Enrique now... a bet they could get him now.
Newcastle: The Crumbling House. Ashley is the supposed biggest fan, but he ain't buying a ticket to the lotto at all. De man not sepnding one cent....still hanging onto that 35 mil from Carroll sale, and doens't seem to really want to dip into the transfer market at all. Men lining up to leave. Pardew musta really wanted to get back into mgmt to go there.
Valerenga 2-1 up after 69'. I am concerned about the defence...letting in too many goals...not the typical stingy 'Pool defence. I'd go for Shawcross or Dann. We know Agger will get hurt again, and Kyriagos is a liability. Also, spend the money and bring in a proper left back, and give the youngsters time to really develop.
Post by: Bakes on August 01, 2011, 12:48:21 PM
On a positive note, Aquilani come on and make in immediate mark, first testing the keeper and forcing a great save, then on the ensuing corner he crosses in to Agger for the equalizer. Also getting my first glimpse of Raheem Sterling. As I type Aquilani forces another incredible save from the keeper... and on the ensuing corner he crosses to Kuyt, onto Agger for another, this one looks the winner... Liverpool 3-2 89'
Post by: Tenorsaw on August 01, 2011, 12:50:42 PM
Defense in a absolute mess right now... we get undressed by a simple square ball across the penalty area, right in front of the back four and in front of the defensive midfield. Johnson had a very poor first half at RB. We not cohesive enough on defense right now and only ten days or so to fix it.
On a positive note, Aquilani come on and make in immediate mark, first testing the keeper and forcing a great save, then on the ensuing corner he crosses in to Agger for the equalizer. Also getting my first glimpse of Raheem Sterling. As I type Aquilani forces another incredible save from the keeper... and on the ensuing corner he crosses to Kuyt, onto Agger for another, this one looks the winner... Liverpool 3-2 89'
They say Aquilani has ben our best player this preseason. Now Milan say they might be interested. Don't know if we should let him go, but if he is not happy, you can't force him to stay.
Post by: Bakes on August 01, 2011, 12:56:00 PM
They say Aquilani has ben our best player this preseason. Now Milan say they might be interested. Don't know if we should let him go, but if he is not happy, you can't force him to stay.
From what I know he wants to be at Liverpool... but we just have an overcrowded mid right now and everybody seems to be looking at him as expendable. So I think the dissatisfaction isn't on his behalf... unless that's changed in the past month?
Valerenga just equalize on a ridiculous strike by ah li'l Arab.... 3-3 final.
Very uneven performance for Liverpool. We lacked cohesion all over the place today.
Post by: Tenorsaw on August 01, 2011, 12:59:26 PM
They say Aquilani has ben our best player this preseason. Now Milan say they might be interested. Don't know if we should let him go, but if he is not happy, you can't force him to stay.
From what I know he wants to be at Liverpool... but we just have an overcrowded mid right now and everybody seems to be looking at him as expendable. So I think the dissatisfaction isn't on his behalf... unless that's changed in the past month?
Valerenga just equalize on a ridiculous strike by ah li'l Arab.... 3-3 final.
Very uneven performance for Liverpool. We lacked cohesion all over the place today.
Overcrowded, but he brings a creative spark that is missing. Cole was supposed to do that last season, but he is MIA.
Post by: Bakes on August 01, 2011, 02:09:24 PM
Overcrowded, but he brings a creative spark that is missing. Cole was supposed to do that last season, but he is MIA.
I agree... granted showing out against a Malaysian select side and 20 mins against a tired Norwegian squad isn't exactly the best gauge, but he showed real industry in his brief turn on the field today, he tested the keeper twice from distance, each time earning a corner, taking the corner and assisting on one goal as a result, and contributing to another. Our three new mids were ineffective today, Henderson and Adam today. Downing only had one or two glimpses, the latter being his near assist to Carroll just before Carroll came off. It's early still, but very much late in the preseason and on current form both Manu, Chelsea and City appear ahead of us in their preparations.
Post by: Trini Madness on August 01, 2011, 05:49:03 PM
Overcrowded, but he brings a creative spark that is missing. Cole was supposed to do that last season, but he is MIA.
I agree... granted showing out against a Malaysian select side and 20 mins against a tired Norwegian squad isn't exactly the best gauge, but he showed real industry in his brief turn on the field today, he tested the keeper twice from distance, each time earning a corner, taking the corner and assisting on one goal as a result, and contributing to another. Our three new mids were ineffective today, Henderson and Adam today. Downing only had one or two glimpses, the latter being his near assist to Carroll just before Carroll came off. It's early still, but very much late in the preseason and on current form both Manu, Chelsea and City appear ahead of us in their preparations.
i feel it will take them a while to settle down. just give adam, henderson and downing some time.
Post by: Tenorsaw on August 02, 2011, 12:08:17 PM
Overcrowded, but he brings a creative spark that is missing. Cole was supposed to do that last season, but he is MIA.
I agree... granted showing out against a Malaysian select side and 20 mins against a tired Norwegian squad isn't exactly the best gauge, but he showed real industry in his brief turn on the field today, he tested the keeper twice from distance, each time earning a corner, taking the corner and assisting on one goal as a result, and contributing to another. Our three new mids were ineffective today, Henderson and Adam today. Downing only had one or two glimpses, the latter being his near assist to Carroll just before Carroll came off. It's early still, but very much late in the preseason and on current form both Manu, Chelsea and City appear ahead of us in their preparations.
i feel it will take them a while to settle down. just give adam, henderson and downing some time.
Don't think we can afford a slow start this season...it will be a dog fight for the first four spots. Plus, Man U, Man City, and Chelsea have looked good this preseason, so they could very well get out of the blocks quickly.
Post by: JDB on August 02, 2011, 12:24:38 PM
Don't think we can afford a slow start this season...it will be a dog fight for the first four spots. Plus, Man U, Man City, and Chelsea have looked good this preseason, so they could very well get out of the blocks quickly.
Shouldn't Liverpool be focused on getting into Europe rather than the CL. Maybe 5th or 6th place or a League Cup final.
Post by: Tenorsaw on August 02, 2011, 01:29:56 PM
Don't think we can afford a slow start this season...it will be a dog fight for the first four spots. Plus, Man U, Man City, and Chelsea have looked good this preseason, so they could very well get out of the blocks quickly.
Shouldn't Liverpool be focused on getting into Europe rather than the CL. Maybe 5th or 6th place or a League Cup final.
Leh me ain't bite this bait eh... ;)
Post by: Trini Madness on August 02, 2011, 03:43:27 PM
Overcrowded, but he brings a creative spark that is missing. Cole was supposed to do that last season, but he is MIA.
I agree... granted showing out against a Malaysian select side and 20 mins against a tired Norwegian squad isn't exactly the best gauge, but he showed real industry in his brief turn on the field today, he tested the keeper twice from distance, each time earning a corner, taking the corner and assisting on one goal as a result, and contributing to another. Our three new mids were ineffective today, Henderson and Adam today. Downing only had one or two glimpses, the latter being his near assist to Carroll just before Carroll came off. It's early still, but very much late in the preseason and on current form both Manu, Chelsea and City appear ahead of us in their preparations.
i feel it will take them a while to settle down. just give adam, henderson and downing some time.
Don't think we can afford a slow start this season...it will be a dog fight for the first four spots. Plus, Man U, Man City, and Chelsea have looked good this preseason, so they could very well get out of the blocks quickly.
agreed but i think they havent gelled with the team yet. though who knows? maybe man u, man city and chelsea will have those slow starts this time around.
Post by: Bakes on August 02, 2011, 06:08:58 PM
Post by: Feliziano on August 02, 2011, 07:14:57 PM
My observations after yesterdays game:
Henderson - He playing too timid and seemed not to want the ball, virtually ineffective playing behind the target man. I want to give Kenny the benefit of the doubt but I just not convinced on Henderson.
Downing - Showed enthusiasm, glimpes of what we expected and should get better.
Adam - Doesn't seem to want to track back, cannot defend and needs to be pushed further up the field in order to be effective.
Aquilani - Good cameo performance but was it just to showcase himself to an Italian club? Would be utter madness to sell him for $8 million though.
Pepe, Kuyt & Spearing - They did what we expected of them.
Johnson - Dire defending. He should be turned into a winger or something.
Carroll - Needs to holdup the ball more and get teamates involved, but then again Henderson was nowhere to be seen.
Shelvey - I think him and Lucas would be our best deep lying midfield pairing in a 4-2-3-1. He has no problem taking up the ball, running forward and tackling back.
Carra & Agger - Both need to get their shit together.
Post by: Tenorsaw on August 03, 2011, 07:58:05 AM
Liverpool should really make a push for Jose Enrique now... a bet they could get him now.
So said... so done!
Liverpool completes transfer of Newcastle's Jose Enrique
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Newcastle have conceded defeat in their attempts to keep Jose Enrique. And that will pave the way for a £5million move to Liverpool to be completed this week.
The two clubs have been in a summer long negotiation over the Spanish left back, after he refused to sign a new deal with the Magpies.
Enrique was fined two weeks' wages after criticising his north east team's lack of ambition, persuading Reds boss Kenny Dalglish to step up his bid to land the defender.
Newcastle know they could lose the player on a free transfer if he enters the final season of his current deal without signing an extension, and now they have accepted the need to cash in.
They will accept a £5million offer from Liverpool, and while the deal is not yet completed, the barriers have now been removed allowing the transfer to progress.
Liverpool will make space for the arrival of the Spaniard, by finally offloading outcast Milan Jovanovic, who has agreed a move to Anderlect, and will complete the transfer after undergoing a medical on Thursday.
Read more: http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/transfer-news/Liverpool-Newcastle-Jose-Enrique-5million-article780294.html#ixzz1Tv5AvCc7
All still rumor...nothing announced yet. When he shows up for a physical at Melwood, I'll believe it. Looks like Chelsea are supposedly in for him too.
Post by: boss on August 03, 2011, 12:44:56 PM
By Mark Lawrenson
BBC Match of the Day pundit
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/14218622.stm
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Liverpool knew they had to begin a rebuilding programme after the disappointments of recent seasons and no-one can doubt that manager Kenny Dalglish and the club's new American owners have made a real statement of intent with their work in the transfer market so far this summer.
Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson has said Liverpool are "back on the radar" and I think my old club have a real chance of getting back into the top four and regaining their place in the Champions League.
It started with the instant reinvestment of the £50m received from Chelsea for Fernando Torres on strikers Luis Suarez and Andy Carroll and has continued with the purchases of Jordan Henderson, Charlie Adam and Stewart Downing.
Questions have been asked about the size of the transfer fees paid by the club and the systems and formations that might be employed by Dalglish but I think the bottom line is that Liverpool are on the way towards establishing the squad strength to get back in the top four. This will have been Dalglish's top priority.
With 21-year-old midfielder Henderson, they are buying masses of potential, even though they paid Sunderland £16m for a player whose form faded in the second half of last season.
As I understand it, the club's owners, the Fenway Sports Group, are happy to splash the cash on a player if they get a return for their money and if there is the possibility of good sell-on value.
Henderson, an England international, will grow as a player and grow into the club so could be worth £30m in a couple of years. Yes, we are talking potential but Dalglish is a shrewd judge and has clearly seen something he likes very much.
All the players Liverpool have signed have yet to reach their peak and their arrival will really up the ante in the dressing room, which is exactly what Dalglish will have wanted.
The great run Liverpool had under Dalglish when he took charge of the team masked one of two deficiencies, which came to the surface when they lost their last two games against Tottenham and Aston Villa, but he showed he could pull the players with him.
Now, with the new signings and the emergence of young players like John Flanagan and Martin Kelly, the players will be looking at each other wondering if they will be among the 25 named in the first-team squad for this season.
Adam was described as a big fish in a small pond at Blackpool but, despite suggestions he could be on the fringes at Anfield, I can see him playing regularly.
I am not going to compare Adam with Xabi Alonso but the Scot's range of passing will allow Steven Gerrard to play further forward - and that is where the England international is at his best.
Adam's presence in the team will also be good for Carroll, who will benefit from Adam's accurate diagonal balls to the far post.
As for systems and formations, Dalglish has shown he is prepared to alternate, either by employing three at the back or opting for a 4-4-2 line-up. I think he will play systems to suit occasions and simply wants a squad that will allow him to do that.
Lots of people have said Downing's £20m price tag is too much but he is an important signing because he gives Liverpool the width they have needed for some time. He will also act as another obvious supply line for Carroll's aerial ability.
I spoke to fomer Liverpool midfielder Gary McAllister about Downing recently and he rates him very highly after working with him at Villa Park. McAllister said Villa got an excellent return from him and he is a real team player.
Suarez is the big signing for me, as I've already said. He's got great ability, is very aware of everything, a real team player and a handful to play against.
I don't know Damien Comolli, Liverpool's director of football, but it already looks like he is doing a really good job. I think Dalglish tells him what players he wants and Comolli goes out and tries to get them.
Liverpool have been pretty successful so far, even though they have missed out on one or two players. If they had taken Phil Jones from Blackburn Rovers, people would have been saying the squad was looking really strong.
I think Liverpool can finish fourth. I don't see them in the top three because of the signings Manchester United have made and the calibre of players that Chelsea and Manchester City are likely to sign. But Arsenal still have weaknesses and seem reluctant to spend big, while Spurs missed out on the top four and may lose Luka Modric.
Liverpool also have no European football to contend with. They would love to be in the Champions League but no Europa League action means they do not have to play on a Thursday then a Sunday and can rest players in midweek.
Dalglish has said he is delighted with the work he has done and I would say that is a fair reflection of the mood of cautious optimism around Anfield these days.
Post by: Bakes on August 03, 2011, 01:19:36 PM
All still rumor...nothing announced yet. When he shows up for a physical at Melwood, I'll believe it. Looks like Chelsea are supposedly in for him too.
Yeah, still not official... won't say it's a rumor though. He's supposedly agreed to personal terms with the club, the two teams still working out the final details.
Post by: rotatopoti3 on August 03, 2011, 04:55:00 PM
Post by: fish on August 03, 2011, 05:24:54 PM
ah feel we could get Joey Barton from Newcastle as well
We don't need he.
Post by: Bakes on August 03, 2011, 06:06:09 PM
ah feel we could get Joey Barton from Newcastle as well
We don't need he.
Yeah, I really eh want no part of Barton mihself.
Post by: Tenorsaw on August 03, 2011, 08:08:54 PM
ah feel we could get Joey Barton from Newcastle as well
He is a Liverpudian and is a very good player, but we already have a very crowded midfield roster. Plus, he brings too much baggage with him.
Post by: rotatopoti3 on August 03, 2011, 08:19:27 PM
if kenny reading this.....i say give d fella ah chance....
i always believe in giving people chances
Post by: boss on August 04, 2011, 03:38:00 AM
i always believe in giving people chances
He's had chances. Many.
Post by: fish on August 05, 2011, 11:34:15 AM
Post by: Bakes on August 06, 2011, 10:43:55 AM
Post by: Tenorsaw on August 06, 2011, 11:43:43 AM
Post by: Bakes on August 06, 2011, 01:23:12 PM
Still nothing official on Jose Enrique, personal terms supposedly negotiated, but the clubs apparently still dickering on the transfer fee. But honestly, between Insua, Robinson, Aurelio... I think we could source a LB.
Post by: boss on August 11, 2011, 10:17:47 AM
Post by: Bakes on August 11, 2011, 11:11:23 AM
(CNN) -- English Premier League team Liverpool announced on Thursday they have agreed a deal with Newcastle United for left-back Jose Enrique.
Enrique, 25, will now travel to Merseyside to undergo a medical with the Anfield club and discuss personal terms.
"Liverpool FC confirmed today that they had agreed a fee with Newcastle United for the transfer of Jose Enrique," read a statement on Liverpool's web site.
Spaniard Enrique arrived in England from Villarreal in 2007, and was part of the Newcastle squad that was relegated from the Premier League in 2009.
The club gained promotion back to the top division the following season.
Should the former Valencia defender complete his move to the five-time European champions, he would become their fifth signing of the off-season.
Kenny Dalglish's side have already signed England winger Stewart Downing from Aston Villa, midfield duo Charlie Adam and Jordan Henderson from Blackpool and Sunderland respectively and goalkeeper Alexander Doni.
Newcastle also confirmed the deal on their web site: "Newcastle United can confirm that a fee has been agreed with Liverpool for the transfer of Jose Enrique.
"The player will travel to Liverpool today to discuss personal terms and undergo a medical."
Former Newcastle boss Dalglish also raided his old club in January, when Liverpool swooped for England striker Andy Carroll.
Both teams are set to begin their league campaigns this weekend, with Newcastle hosting Arsenal and Liverpool facing Sunderland.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/SPORT/football/08/11/football.liverpool.newcastle.enrique/
Supposedly it could rise to £8m with add-ons.
Post by: Tenorsaw on August 11, 2011, 01:08:06 PM
Post by: Bakes on August 11, 2011, 02:53:58 PM
About time this long drawn out saga came to an end. Now for a center back....Dann or Cahill?
Bolton blanking man left and right with Cahill and this Dann thing could be another song and dance. Personally I think we good with what we have. Among Agger, Skrtel and Kelly... whose real position is CB, I think we good... we done spend enough money as is.
Post by: Tenorsaw on August 11, 2011, 08:48:32 PM
About time this long drawn out saga came to an end. Now for a center back....Dann or Cahill?
Bolton blanking man left and right with Cahill and this Dann thing could be another song and dance. Personally I think we good with what we have. Among Agger, Skrtel and Kelly... whose real position is CB, I think we good... we done spend enough money as is.
Supporters on LFC TV were talking about how shaky Kelly looked at CB in a preseason. He seems well suited for the flanks, and shows good prowess going forward. I think we should buy: Carragher is getting old, Agger will be hurt all season as usual, Kyriagos is a liability, and Dalgish doesn't seem to have the confidence in Danny Wilson yet.
Post by: Bakes on August 11, 2011, 08:50:27 PM
About time this long drawn out saga came to an end. Now for a center back....Dann or Cahill?
Bolton blanking man left and right with Cahill and this Dann thing could be another song and dance. Personally I think we good with what we have. Among Agger, Skrtel and Kelly... whose real position is CB, I think we good... we done spend enough money as is.
Supporters on LFC TV were talking about how shaky Kelly looked at CB in a preseason. He seems well suited for the flanks, and shows good prowess going forward. I think we should buy: Carragher is getting old, Agger will be hurt all season as usual, Kyriagos is a liability, and Dalgish doesn't seem to have the confidence in Danny Wilson yet.
Out ah dem two ah leaning towards Dann then... Bolton look like they want ah pound and ah crown fuh Cahill... yuh'd swear was Tim Cahill they selling.
Post by: Tenorsaw on August 11, 2011, 09:18:44 PM
About time this long drawn out saga came to an end. Now for a center back....Dann or Cahill?
Bolton blanking man left and right with Cahill and this Dann thing could be another song and dance. Personally I think we good with what we have. Among Agger, Skrtel and Kelly... whose real position is CB, I think we good... we done spend enough money as is.
Supporters on LFC TV were talking about how shaky Kelly looked at CB in a preseason. He seems well suited for the flanks, and shows good prowess going forward. I think we should buy: Carragher is getting old, Agger will be hurt all season as usual, Kyriagos is a liability, and Dalgish doesn't seem to have the confidence in Danny Wilson yet.
Out ah dem two ah leaning towards Dann then... Bolton look like they want ah pound and ah crown fuh Cahill... yuh'd swear was Tim Cahill they selling.
Remember Cahill is now an international and he is seen as being technically solid, with the ability to play out of the back. That is an asset for a CB.
Post by: Bakes on August 11, 2011, 10:31:15 PM
Remember Cahill is now an international and he is seen as being technically solid, with the ability to play out of the back. That is an asset for a CB.
That is true but I don't see him being head and shoulders above Dann... right now the only thing making me think twice is the fact that Arsenal just entered the race for Dann. So whichever player we get for a reasonable fee I'm good. I'm still of the position that we have enough players to play CB... Kelly may have been shaky (I don't know) but with the whole defense playing on ice skates and trying to cover for each other, I'm not sure what that really says about him individually. Evidently the hierarchy still think we need help though :-[
Post by: Tenorsaw on August 13, 2011, 07:31:03 AM
Let's Go Reds: Y N W A !
Post by: Tenorsaw on August 13, 2011, 08:07:57 AM
Post by: Tenorsaw on August 13, 2011, 08:13:59 AM
Post by: Bakes on August 13, 2011, 08:53:12 AM
Suarez have about another 20 mins in his legs before he gives way to either Kuyt or N'gog. Haven't seen enough of Henderson in this game to justify him starting ahead of Kuyt, not sure how much today's opponent factored in that decision.
I thought the yellow on Richardson, rather than red, was the fair call.
Nice to see Liverpool old boy John Arne Riise back in the league with Fulham.
Post by: Peong on August 13, 2011, 09:14:59 AM
Post by: giggsy11 on August 13, 2011, 09:16:38 AM
Post by: Bakes on August 13, 2011, 09:19:40 AM
Oh geed what a volley!
Stunning equalizer... can't say anything else. Naive defending by Flanagan allowing him to break contact though.
Post by: Tenorsaw on August 13, 2011, 09:50:08 AM
Post by: rotatopoti3 on August 13, 2011, 09:54:26 AM
Post by: Bakes on August 13, 2011, 09:56:53 AM
Flanagan's been poor. Out of position, giving it away needlessly, committing unnecessary fouls. He'll learn. Probably should have gone with more composed Kelly.
Absolutely agree... not sure if the moment got to him, but in all honesty he just seemed overmatched and outclassed by Larssen today. Even in support play his positioning and decision-making were suspect at best. Johnson won't be back for another two weeks so we have no choice but to go with him. On the other side, Enrique was solid... but not spectacular. I imagine he will only get better... his best play was late in the game when the S. Korean threw a shoulder into him and fell down, lol. He's a strong dude.
Suarez may have well as stay in the locker room at the half. His touch and decision-making with the ball was dreadful... but considering he was a match-day decision, we should be thankful that he got those 75 mins under him. I question switching Downing to the right with Kuyt on the left... neutralized Downing's effectiveness.
On balance it's a great result for Sunderland... but poor for Liverpool, these are the types of games that end up costing us at the end every season. Big teams find a way to get those 2 extra points.
Post by: Tenorsaw on August 13, 2011, 10:01:07 AM
Flanagan's been poor. Out of position, giving it away needlessly, committing unnecessary fouls. He'll learn. Probably should have gone with more composed Kelly.
Absolutely agree... not sure if the moment got to him, but in all honesty he just seemed overmatched and outclassed by Larssen today. Even in support play his positioning and decision-making were suspect at best. Johnson won't be back for another two weeks so we have no choice but to go with him. On the other side, Enrique was solid... but not spectacular. I imagine he will only get better... his best play was late in the game when the S. Korean threw a shoulder into him and fell down, lol. He's a strong dude.
On balance it's a great result for Sunderland... but poor for Liverpool Suarez may have well as stay in the locker room at the half. His touch and decision-making with the ball was dreadful... but considering he was a match-day decision, we should be thankful that he got those 75 mins under him.
The fact that Suarez started shows me that there is no confidence in Ngog, and that we need to buy another striker. Bellamy woould be a good support guy at this point, but his wages might be prohibitive, and City might not want to sell to 'Pool.
Post by: Bakes on August 13, 2011, 10:03:22 AM
The fact that Suarez started shows me that there is no confidence in Ngog, and that we need to buy another striker. Bellamy woould be a good support guy at this point, but his wages might be prohibitive, and City might not want to sell to 'Pool.
I actually don't think it's a reflection on N'gog to be honest... I think a season-opening start is precisely the reason why Kenny kept him out all of pre-season, coming off the Copa. I was disappointed Kenny didn't pull him earlier though.
Post by: Tenorsaw on August 13, 2011, 10:11:09 AM
The fact that Suarez started shows me that there is no confidence in Ngog, and that we need to buy another striker. Bellamy woould be a good support guy at this point, but his wages might be prohibitive, and City might not want to sell to 'Pool.
I actually don't think it's a reflection on N'gog to be honest... I think a season-opening start is precisely the reason why Kenny kept him out all of pre-season, coming off the Copa. I was disappointed Kenny didn't pull him earlier though.
Point is that we shouldn't have to rush Suarez back. He's had a long summer and probably could have done with an extra week before he played. Just my thoughts. Some depth needed in forward line.
Post by: Bakes on August 13, 2011, 10:20:34 AM
Point is that we shouldn't have to rush Suarez back. He's had a long summer and probably could have done with an extra week before he played. Just my thoughts. Some depth needed in forward line.
He's had three weeks rest.
But I won't argue that we could use help at striker... expect Kuyt to fill in there, particularly once Gerrard returns.
Post by: Tenorsaw on August 13, 2011, 11:20:50 AM
Point is that we shouldn't have to rush Suarez back. He's had a long summer and probably could have done with an extra week before he played. Just my thoughts. Some depth needed in forward line.
He's had three weeks rest.
But I won't argue that we could use help at striker... expect Kuyt to fill in there, particularly once Gerrard returns.
Would be good to see Kuyt finally being used as a striker though. That is what he was before he came to 'Pool.
Post by: Observer on August 13, 2011, 03:13:38 PM
I would like to see them in combination
Post by: Bakes on August 14, 2011, 02:01:27 AM
Post by: Tenorsaw on August 14, 2011, 12:08:14 PM
Liverpool v. Sunderland... player ratings (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/804612-great-expectations-unfulfilled-liverpool-player-ratings-v-sunderland)
Jury is still out on Henderson. Not sure he is a flank midfielder. I see him coming off the bench eventually. Meireles should have started. Charlie Adams looks good spraying the ball 40-50 yards, but is a defensive liability. Poor on tackling and his fitness is a concern to me..faded badly. I'd play Kelly ahead of Flanagan and give the youngster time to develop playing cup games. We should buy Gary Cahill. He and Agger would be a good pairing. Carragher has great heart, but does not use the midfield when he is in possession of the ball at the back.
Post by: Bakes on August 14, 2011, 12:33:32 PM
Liverpool v. Sunderland... player ratings (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/804612-great-expectations-unfulfilled-liverpool-player-ratings-v-sunderland)
Jury is still out on Henderson. Not sure he is a flank midfielder. I see him coming off the bench eventually. Meireles should have started. Charlie Adams looks good spraying the ball 40-50 yards, but is a defensive liability. Poor on tackling and his fitness is a concern to me..faded badly. I'd play Kelly ahead of Flanagan and give the youngster time to develop playing cup games. We should buy Gary Cahill. He and Agger would be a good pairing. Carragher has great heart, but does not use the midfield when he is in possession of the ball at the back.
I rally have to agree on Henderson, but understandably Kenny may have felt it was "safe" to gamble by playing him on the right flank yesterday. I like the kid, I think defensively he has the tenacity of a Mascherano-type player. He certainly cannot start ahead of Meireles, and Kuyt provides better options along the right flank. As for Flanagan, it seems bizarre to me that he started ahead of Kelly (who was fit and on the bench)... even more bizarre that he left him in the game the entire 90. Maybe Kenny didn't want to shatter his confidence, since I'm sure even Flanno was aware that his performance wasn't up to par.
Post by: Tenorsaw on August 20, 2011, 08:16:15 AM
Post by: rotatopoti3 on August 20, 2011, 12:05:53 PM
hear nah .i see Liverpool standing on d top of d table tonight.... :beermug:
Post by: boss on August 20, 2011, 01:13:47 PM
Some depth developing
That's an understatement I think. I'm pleased with today's performance and excited about our level of depth :beermug:
Off subject, our away kit looks amazing :beermug:
(http://cache3.asset-cache.net/xc/121533036.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF878921E86F5CE8BE5D78FBFCA8EFE3D646911868DF5ED6FC90E9B4EABDA532FBE586BE)
Post by: Tenorsaw on August 20, 2011, 03:40:51 PM
Post by: Bakes on August 20, 2011, 11:14:51 PM
That said... the major plus for me is Enrique, that man is boss. Some fella in de comments to the article below talking about how Enrique only shining because ah Agger... like facking Agger beatsing man up de field fuh Enrique, or swinging he leg to send crosses to Carroll, lol.
Enrique siddung in dah left back role like is he own... yuh swear tailor make dat suit fuh him, fuss he bossing it. Theo only show up today to pick up he check, and he lucky Enrique eh take dat too from him, fuss he manners him. Pace for pace... step for step. I ent go sit here and say that Enrique just as fast... b/c I doh think Theo really shifted into 5th today... but he get bottle up like dat scorpion yuh grandmother used tuh have soaking in rum in she medicine chest. And on top ah dat man making solid contributions to the offense.
We settling in nicely in defense now and Tenor right... we three deep at LB now. Some ah dem madmen on Bleacher Report saying Kelly 10x better than Johnson. Man does real get carried away yes.
Player ratings vs. Arsenal (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/813763-liverpool-player-ratings-vs-arsenal).
Post by: Tenorsaw on August 21, 2011, 01:43:47 PM
I hear to preach ah li'l bit ah caution... we did well to final seize points that was ours all along. Like Tenorsaw say, leh we take that and go home and salt it away. I remember the crazy battle for 4th place two seasons ago which saw us narrowly missing out, then the battle this past spring for 4 again. We need to step on teams like Sunderland and Arsenal and put them away early. No disrespect to Arsenal, I talking about the team that was fielded today... not the club itself.
That said... the major plus for me is Enrique, that man is boss. Some fella in de comments to the article below talking about how Enrique only shining because ah Agger... like facking Agger beatsing man up de field fuh Enrique, or swinging he leg to send crosses to Carroll, lol.
Enrique siddung in dah left back role like is he own... yuh swear tailor make dat suit fuh him, fuss he bossing it. Theo only show up today to pick up he check, and he lucky Enrique eh take dat too from him, fuss he manners him. Pace for pace... step for step. I ent go sit here and say that Enrique just as fast... b/c I doh think Theo really shifted into 5th today... but he get bottle up like dat scorpion yuh grandmother used tuh have soaking in rum in she medicine chest. And on top ah dat man making solid contributions to the offense.
We settling in nicely in defense now and Tenor right... we three deep at LB now. Some ah dem madmen on Bleacher Report saying Kelly 10x better than Johnson. Man does real get carried away yes.
Player ratings vs. Arsenal (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/813763-liverpool-player-ratings-vs-arsenal).
Was reading the comments to the ratings last night, and I must say that some of it was rum shop talk. Ah wonder if we all looked at the same match, because some of these guys were way left. Encouraging that we didn't make the match look too hard. Previously, we would still have struggled with a half-strength Arsenal. The depth in quality is beginning to show.
Post by: Bakes on August 21, 2011, 06:51:49 PM
Was reading the comments to the ratings last night, and I must say that some of it was rum shop talk. Ah wonder if we all looked at the same match, because some of these guys were way left. Encouraging that we didn't make the match look too hard. Previously, we would still have struggled with a half-strength Arsenal. The depth in quality is beginning to show.
We sure was trying fuh 70 mins though, LOL I real encouraged by the defensive effort though... remember when Reina used tuh be putting up clean sheets like normal?
Post by: Tenorsaw on August 21, 2011, 09:35:13 PM
Was reading the comments to the ratings last night, and I must say that some of it was rum shop talk. Ah wonder if we all looked at the same match, because some of these guys were way left. Encouraging that we didn't make the match look too hard. Previously, we would still have struggled with a half-strength Arsenal. The depth in quality is beginning to show.
We sure was trying fuh 70 mins though, LOL I real encouraged by the defensive effort though... remember when Reina used tuh be putting up clean sheets like normal?
Ent! Bring back dem ole time days. :applause:
Post by: Tenorsaw on August 21, 2011, 09:55:54 PM
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/capello-impressed-by-kelly
England coach Fabio Capello admits he was left impressed with the performance of Martin Kelly during Liverpool's 2-0 win at Arsenal on Saturday.
The defender returned to the Reds' starting XI for the first time in the Barclays Premier League since picking up a hamstring injury in February and turned in an assured display at the Emirates to catch the eye of the watching Three Lions boss.
"I see some players (that are) interesting for me, some new players like Kelly the right-back, he is really interesting," said Capello.
"He is young and he played a good, good game."
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I said since last season that he is fundamentally more solid than Glen Johnson, and that he would be the longterm right back for England. He is defensively better than Johnson, and still is comfortable going forward. Johnson probably has more flair, and probably is underrated as a defender. I saw Johnson live vs. Fulham and he was making some headed clearance from crosses and corners that were unbelievable. He'd get up and flick the crosses away at the highest point, and he did that all game. Good competition for the right back spot: Johnson, Kelly, and Flanno. That is what we need.
Post by: Bakes on August 21, 2011, 10:45:13 PM
Ent! Bring back dem ole time days. :applause:
Imagine it get to the point now where we celebrating ah shutout... but say what, yuh have to crawl before yuh could walk.
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I said since last season that he is fundamentally more solid than Glen Johnson, and that he would be the longterm right back for England. He is defensively better than Johnson, and still is comfortable going forward. Johnson probably has more flair, and probably is underrated as a defender. I saw Johnson live vs. Fulham and he was making some headed clearance from crosses and corners that were unbelievable. He'd get up and flick the crosses away at the highest point, and he did that all game. Good competition for the right back spot: Johnson, Kelly, and Flanno. That is what we need.
Was reading Capello statement just about ah hour ago... dat is high praise for Kelly, but he real shine in the three games I see him play. Obviously haven't had the chance to see them in person like you... yet ;D
I partial tuh Johnson doh... just like him more as ah player, but I know some want to see Kelly start over Johnson.
Post by: Tenorsaw on August 22, 2011, 07:32:27 AM
Ent! Bring back dem ole time days. :applause:
Imagine it get to the point now where we celebrating ah shutout... but say what, yuh have to crawl before yuh could walk.QuoteI said since last season that he is fundamentally more solid than Glen Johnson, and that he would be the longterm right back for England. He is defensively better than Johnson, and still is comfortable going forward. Johnson probably has more flair, and probably is underrated as a defender. I saw Johnson live vs. Fulham and he was making some headed clearance from crosses and corners that were unbelievable. He'd get up and flick the crosses away at the highest point, and he did that all game. Good competition for the right back spot: Johnson, Kelly, and Flanno. That is what we need.
Was reading Capello statement just about ah hour ago... dat is high praise for Kelly, but he real shine in the three games I see him play. Obviously haven't had the chance to see them in person like you... yet ;D
I partial tuh Johnson doh... just like him more as ah player, but I know some want to see Kelly start over Johnson.
Big divide on Liverpoolfc.tv on who should start: some for Johnson because at this best he is great to watch, while others like the defensive stability of Kelly. Good selection headache for Dalgish.
Post by: Bakes on August 22, 2011, 03:12:49 PM
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/kyrgiakos-leaves-reds
Post by: Tenorsaw on August 22, 2011, 09:28:39 PM
Kyriagkos leaves to join Wolfsburg... great signing for them. He was a good servant of the club during his brief time there. Wish him all the best.
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/kyrgiakos-leaves-reds
Good soldier, but was a liability last season --too many fouls in and around the box. I think Dalgish became frustrated by him, and just couldn't trust him after a while. All the best. Bring in Cahill or Dann.
Post by: Bakes on August 24, 2011, 01:16:57 AM
Nothing official yet other than that Inside Futbol link... but twitter on fire with the talk too, supposedly announcement coming today. Supposedly we the favorites to land Dann now too.
Post by: Tenorsaw on August 24, 2011, 07:50:55 AM
Post by: Bakes on August 24, 2011, 09:30:14 AM
This Coates deal sounding like it going through. A real good catch there. Was on the radar of a lot of big teams, but looks like Suarez convinced him to come to Anfield.
Yeah, so ah reading... I hope it's done and dusted soon. Didn't know much about him until the Copa, he real shine.
Post by: Tenorsaw on August 24, 2011, 11:05:39 AM
This Coates deal sounding like it going through. A real good catch there. Was on the radar of a lot of big teams, but looks like Suarez convinced him to come to Anfield.
Yeah, so ah reading... I hope it's done and dusted soon. Didn't know much about him until the Copa, he real shine.
Yep...and he could walk de ball out of the back, or ping it for 40-50 yard pass. Scores, and is fundamentally sound. Imposing figure: 6ft 6 in.
Post by: Tenorsaw on August 25, 2011, 07:23:18 AM
Flanagan's been poor. Out of position, giving it away needlessly, committing unnecessary fouls. He'll learn. Probably should have gone with more composed Kelly.
Absolutely agree... not sure if the moment got to him, but in all honesty he just seemed overmatched and outclassed by Larssen today. Even in support play his positioning and decision-making were suspect at best. Johnson won't be back for another two weeks so we have no choice but to go with him. On the other side, Enrique was solid... but not spectacular. I imagine he will only get better... his best play was late in the game when the S. Korean threw a shoulder into him and fell down, lol. He's a strong dude.
On balance it's a great result for Sunderland... but poor for Liverpool Suarez may have well as stay in the locker room at the half. His touch and decision-making with the ball was dreadful... but considering he was a match-day decision, we should be thankful that he got those 75 mins under him.
The fact that Suarez started shows me that there is no confidence in Ngog, and that we need to buy another striker. Bellamy woould be a good support guy at this point, but his wages might be prohibitive, and City might not want to sell to 'Pool.
I was just saying Bellamy because he is not going to play at City, but looks like Dalgish read my mind. Some real traction to this rumor. Apparently Bellamy is flattered by Dalgish's interest and is keen on returning to Anfield. Dalgish would only bring him back on a free transfer, and Bellamy thus has to seek a payout from City. Otherwise, looks like he could come. Would be concerned about the dressing room because it is Bellamy, but Kenny has a way of soothing even the most implacable of characters, so we should be OK. Plus, Riise gone. ;)
Post by: JDB on August 25, 2011, 08:56:38 AM
Kenny has a way of soothing even the most implacable of characters...
Not doubting that Dalglish could handle Bellamy because I don't think Bellamy is as disagreeable as his rep....but what are the examples of these implacable characters that Dalglish has "soothed"?
Post by: Tenorsaw on August 25, 2011, 11:27:20 AM
Kenny has a way of soothing even the most implacable of characters...
Not doubting that Dalglish could handle Bellamy because I don't think Bellamy is as disagreeable as his rep....but what are the examples of these implacable characters that Dalglish has "soothed"?
The legend that he is makes players that are seemingly difficult to handle mellow out because they are in awe of Dalgish, not just because of what he represented as a player, but also his past managerial achievements. They just find him a character that they would want to play for. His charisma wins over the most difficult of personalities. Look how Carroll has cooled down since his move to Anfield. Dalgish has taken him under his wing as his son. Sir Alex has a similar ability. I think it's an old school trait that some of these managers have.
Post by: JDB on August 26, 2011, 05:41:55 AM
Kenny has a way of soothing even the most implacable of characters...
Not doubting that Dalglish could handle Bellamy because I don't think Bellamy is as disagreeable as his rep....but what are the examples of these implacable characters that Dalglish has "soothed"?
The legend that he is makes players that are seemingly difficult to handle mellow out because they are in awe of Dalgish, not just because of what he represented as a player, but also his past managerial achievements. They just find him a character that they would want to play for. His charisma wins over the most difficult of personalities. Look how Carroll has cooled down since his move to Anfield. Dalgish has taken him under his wing as his son. Sir Alex has a similar ability. I think it's an old school trait that some of these managers have.
Carroll was cooled down under Pardew too, so that is not a real example of a troublemaker. Your original post made it sound like you were referencing something that Dalglish actually did not speculating about how difficult players might respond to him.
Post by: Tenorsaw on August 26, 2011, 08:12:07 AM
Kenny has a way of soothing even the most implacable of characters...
Not doubting that Dalglish could handle Bellamy because I don't think Bellamy is as disagreeable as his rep....but what are the examples of these implacable characters that Dalglish has "soothed"?
The legend that he is makes players that are seemingly difficult to handle mellow out because they are in awe of Dalgish, not just because of what he represented as a player, but also his past managerial achievements. They just find him a character that they would want to play for. His charisma wins over the most difficult of personalities. Look how Carroll has cooled down since his move to Anfield. Dalgish has taken him under his wing as his son. Sir Alex has a similar ability. I think it's an old school trait that some of these managers have.
Carroll was cooled down under Pardew too, so that is not a real example of a troublemaker. Your original post made it sound like you were referencing something that Dalglish actually did not speculating about how difficult players might respond to him.
Kenny has a way of soothing even the most implacable of characters...
Not doubting that Dalglish could handle Bellamy because I don't think Bellamy is as disagreeable as his rep....but what are the examples of these implacable characters that Dalglish has "soothed"?
The legend that he is makes players that are seemingly difficult to handle mellow out because they are in awe of Dalgish, not just because of what he represented as a player, but also his past managerial achievements. They just find him a character that they would want to play for. His charisma wins over the most difficult of personalities. Look how Carroll has cooled down since his move to Anfield. Dalgish has taken him under his wing as his son. Sir Alex has a similar ability. I think it's an old school trait that some of these managers have.
Carroll was cooled down under Pardew too, so that is not a real example of a troublemaker. Your original post made it sound like you were referencing something that Dalglish actually did not speculating about how difficult players might respond to him.
Horse, you over-reading into man post. This is not English Lit. I didn't allude to anything like that in my post. I just said he has a way about him. I came out and said it was his charisma and persona. What examples you looking for?
Post by: Feliziano on August 27, 2011, 08:48:16 AM
This Coates deal sounding like it going through. A real good catch there. Was on the radar of a lot of big teams, but looks like Suarez convinced him to come to Anfield.
Yeah, so ah reading... I hope it's done and dusted soon. Didn't know much about him until the Copa, he real shine.
Yep...and he could walk de ball out of the back, or ping it for 40-50 yard pass. Scores, and is fundamentally sound. Imposing figure: 6ft 6 in.
Is only now allyuh hearing bout Seba??
Since last year ah telling Hicks and them to sign him up
I know bout this fella bout 5 years ago..I pitch marbles and eat steak with he down by de Tacuremba River
We family know each other too...
Post by: Tenorsaw on August 27, 2011, 11:42:53 AM
Post by: Tenorsaw on August 27, 2011, 12:21:12 PM
Post by: Bakes on August 27, 2011, 12:37:00 PM
Sloppy control by Carragher. Clean sheet gone.
Very poor finish to the game for Liverpool... took their feet off the gas after the Adam goal and were rightfully punished for it. Entirely too casual the way they went about this game... starting with Suarez' attempt to chip Jaaskelainen in the first half rather that go around him or bury the shot.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/823660-liverpool-player-ratings-vs-bolton-wanderers
Post by: JDB on August 28, 2011, 05:51:07 AM
Horse, you over-reading into man post. This is not English Lit. I didn't allude to anything like that in my post. I just said he has a way about him. I came out and said it was his charisma and persona. What examples you looking for?
Not over-reading anything, that's why I asked you to clarify because it seemed Luke a reference to Dalglish's past experience.
I just don't remember Dalglish dealing with difficult players.
Your second post was very different to the first and cleared it up.
Post by: Tenorsaw on August 29, 2011, 07:06:24 AM
Horse, you over-reading into man post. This is not English Lit. I didn't allude to anything like that in my post. I just said he has a way about him. I came out and said it was his charisma and persona. What examples you looking for?
Not over-reading anything, that's why I asked you to clarify because it seemed Luke a reference to Dalglish's past experience.
I just don't remember Dalglish dealing with difficult players.
Your second post was very different to the first and cleared it up.
:beermug: :beermug: :beermug:
Post by: Bakes on September 10, 2011, 11:05:41 PM
Player Ratings vs. Stoke (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/844307-liverpool-player-ratings-vs-stoke-citydisappointment-and-anger-follow-1-0-loss?fb_ref=article_headline&fb_source=profile_oneline)
Post by: Tenorsaw on September 11, 2011, 10:32:03 PM
A very disappointing display by Liverpool today. Mark Clattenburg real screw we over with that penalty call... then ignore other legitimate shouts by us for the same. Stoke pull a fast one by shortening the pitch by 10 yards and narrowing it by 4... that smaller pitch helped them stifle our midfield play. In the end we have no one to blame but ourselves for failing to make the most of the chances we had.
Player Ratings vs. Stoke (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/844307-liverpool-player-ratings-vs-stoke-citydisappointment-and-anger-follow-1-0-loss?fb_ref=article_headline&fb_source=profile_oneline)
I think that is some bullshit that a team could shorten their pitch just like that. Once a team provides an official record of the dimensions of their pitch, that should be it for the season. Bullshit. We'll see how they carry on for the rest of the season. Britannia is a tough place to play, and doing that just made it harder.
Post by: Bakes on September 12, 2011, 01:20:07 AM
I think that is some bullshit that a team could shorten their pitch just like that. Once a team provides an official record of the dimensions of their pitch, that should be it for the season. Bullshit. We'll see how they carry on for the rest of the season. Britannia is a tough place to play, and doing that just made it harder.
I agree with yuh... but according to the Setanta commentators it legal, as much as they themselves didn't like it.
Post by: kicker on September 12, 2011, 11:35:48 AM
I think that is some bullshit that a team could shorten their pitch just like that. Once a team provides an official record of the dimensions of their pitch, that should be it for the season. Bullshit. We'll see how they carry on for the rest of the season. Britannia is a tough place to play, and doing that just made it harder.
Someting about it seems shady fuh real ent...Until this weekend, I didn't really know that teams actively did that on a game by game basis depending on the opposition....
That said it's only souring when it actually works lol...
Post by: elan on September 12, 2011, 11:45:00 AM
Minimum length: 100 yards (90 meters)
Maximum length: 130 yards (120 meters)
Minimum width: 50 yards (45 meters)
Maximum width: 100 yards (90 meters)
Post by: kicker on September 12, 2011, 12:00:14 PM
Remember, the size of a soccer field is given in a range, not a specific size.
Minimum length: 100 yards (90 meters)
Maximum length: 130 yards (120 meters)
Minimum width: 50 yards (45 meters)
Maximum width: 100 yards (90 meters)
Yeah no secret some fields are bigger than others...all within regulation range. I remember my college field was 120 x 80 (yards) ..very wide for a NCAA field, and we used to real struggle playing at some of the other schools with a much narrower field...
Post by: asylumseeker on September 12, 2011, 01:02:13 PM
Post by: Bakes on September 12, 2011, 01:11:58 PM
How different is field reduction when compared to ... say ... adjusting the surface conditions (wetting the field, grass height ... etc.)?
It depends on the tactics being employed... a team with a ground game will have a much harder time moving the ball than a team which relies on the long ball. 20 bodies are packed into a smaller space thereby restricting the movement of the ball along the ground. Even if you want to just count defenders... there are 10 at any moment. I know you get the concept... but it's like getting past practice cones on a tennis court as opposed to a regulation field.
Post by: boss on September 18, 2011, 09:25:24 AM
Post by: kaliman2006 on September 18, 2011, 09:32:03 AM
Post by: Observer on September 18, 2011, 11:34:09 AM
Post by: Bakes on September 18, 2011, 01:35:05 PM
Tottenham's becoming another of Liverpool's bogey teams. That's two defeats in the last three matches to Tottenham.
Actually our third straight loss to them... 2-0 away and 2-1 at home last season. I'm not overly concerned... yet. Bale was always favored in his matchup against Skrtel who was playing out of position... that right there was the biggest problem, that one match up. Bale drew yellow cards on both Skrtel and Adams in the first 15' before Modric's wonder strike. That set the table for the two dismissals later on, and Skrtel needs to look at himself in the mirror after that naive challenge on Bale that got him sent off.
Most worrisome to me is the lack of creativity in midfield. We spent ₤43 million on a midfield overhaul and only got Stewart Downing in return. Henderson and Adam have been absolute wastes, save for that one game against Bolton. Adam is slow on the ball and reckless in the challenge. He was third in the league with 11 fouls coming into the game, and now leads the league with 4 yellow cards. Henderson had yet another invisible performance.
The woeful play of the midfield aside, the fact is that we came in with a makeshift backline of sorts, lost Agger after 26 mins, lost Adam to a red card a minute later... yet for the better part of 65 mins managed to contain Spurs with everything including some bubble gum and duct tape. Once Skrtel backside self got sent off in the 63' the floodgates opened up. We should get Gerrard back next week, but I doubt that will be enough to correct all that's wrong in midfield, even so, we should improve a ton over today's performance.
Player Ratings vs. Spurs (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/855324-liverpool-player-ratings-vs-tottenham-hotspurs-questions-follow-ugly-loss)
Post by: kaliman2006 on September 18, 2011, 01:40:06 PM
Tottenham's becoming another of Liverpool's bogey teams. That's two defeats in the last three matches to Tottenham.
Actually our third straight loss to them... 2-0 away and 2-1 at home last season. I'm not overly concerned... yet. Bale was always favored in his matchup against Skrtel who was playing out of position... that right there was the biggest problem, that one match up. Bale drew yellow cards on both Skrtel and Adams in the first 15' before Modric's wonder strike. That set the table for the two dismissals later on, and Skrtel needs to look at himself in the mirror after that naive challenge on Bale that got him sent off.
Most worrisome to me is the lack of creativity in midfield. We spent ₤43 million on a midfield overhaul and only got Stewart Downing in return. Henderson and Adam have been absolute wastes, save for that one game against Bolton. Adam is slow on the ball and reckless in the challenge. He was third in the league with 11 fouls coming into the game, and now leads the league with 4 yellow cards. Henderson had yet another invisible performance.
The woeful play of the midfield aside, the fact is that we came in with a makeshift backline of sorts, lost Agger after 26 mins, lost Adam to a red card a minute later... yet for the better part of 65 mins managed to contain Spurs with everything including some bubble gum and duct tape. Once Skrtel backside self got sent off in the 63' the floodgates opened up. We should get Gerrard back next week, but I doubt that will be enough to correct all that's wrong in midfield, even so, we should improve a ton over today's performance.
Yeah, I meant to say 3rd straight loss, but thanks for the correction. The season is still relatively young, so I am also not too concerned yet. Kenny neeeds a full season with Liverpool in order to develop a winning team.
Post by: Observer on September 18, 2011, 01:51:02 PM
Post by: Bakes on September 18, 2011, 02:01:51 PM
Adjusting the pitch has always been done in football. If teams play against an opponent with great wingers, they make the pitch narrow, etc etc. Only in the International game adjustments are difficult because FIFA stipulates a minimum width & Length for Internationals
Same in the domestic game, FIFA regs concerning the field configuration applies on every level of the sport.
Post by: Observer on September 18, 2011, 04:36:03 PM
Adjusting the pitch has always been done in football. If teams play against an opponent with great wingers, they make the pitch narrow, etc etc. Only in the International game adjustments are difficult because FIFA stipulates a minimum width & Length for Internationals
Same in the domestic game, FIFA regs concerning the field configuration applies on every level of the sport.
Not what I meant! Maybe I did not explain myself. You can technically have a game played on a field 50 yards wide (minimum by FIFA standards). However, an International game cannot be played on a field that is less than 114 x 74 yards wide.
Post by: Bakes on September 18, 2011, 05:05:37 PM
Not what I meant! Maybe I did not explain myself. You can technically have a game played on a field 50 yards wide (minimum by FIFA standards). However, an International game cannot be played on a field that is less than 114 x 74 yards wide.
Oh okay... I get you now. Did not know that... maybe some of these bigger leagues need to implement the same and standardize the dimensions of their fields.
Post by: sammy on September 18, 2011, 07:26:30 PM
Sometimes you have to hit rock bottom before you can kick start the season,
nah boy, allyuh rock bottom was supposed to be last season. It go be hard to keep up if allyuh have to hit rock bottom again
Post by: kaliman2006 on September 18, 2011, 07:34:26 PM
Sometimes you have to hit rock bottom before you can kick start the season,
nah boy, allyuh rock bottom was supposed to be last season. It go be hard to keep up if allyuh have to hit rock bottom again
Go ahead and gloat. Just remember all empires fall, even ones as impressive as Manchester United.
Post by: sammy on September 18, 2011, 07:41:37 PM
Sometimes you have to hit rock bottom before you can kick start the season,
nah boy, allyuh rock bottom was supposed to be last season. It go be hard to keep up if allyuh have to hit rock bottom again
Go ahead and gloat. Just remember all empires fall, even ones as impressive as Manchester United.
steups. nobody gloating pardner.
Post by: Bakes on September 21, 2011, 01:15:47 PM
Fantastic stream here... http://www.justin.tv/wzhdstreams2#/w/1801941744
May also be available later on for the Chelsea/Fulham match.
Post by: fish on September 21, 2011, 02:29:38 PM
Post by: Bakes on September 21, 2011, 03:08:33 PM
EDIT: Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/v/s94rbpF1NIo
Post by: Bakes on September 24, 2011, 10:16:58 AM
Player Rating vs. Wolves (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/864105-liverpool-fc-player-ratings-vs-wolves-reds-happy-with-ugly-win)
Post by: rotatopoti3 on September 24, 2011, 09:45:36 PM
daiz d best goal i see in a while
Post by: Tenorsaw on September 25, 2011, 08:23:23 PM
Suarez score ah real quality goal dey and he time he run well too
daiz d best goal i see in a while
De man is quality. Has the knack to score from some really tight angles, and speaks volumes about his accuracy. He has to realize that he will not always play 90 mins. He really did not have a break this summer. Looks like Gerrard will be employed in a much higher position behind the lone striker, so it will be interesting to see how this affects Suarez. We need to manage him well, and not burn him out.
Post by: Bitter on September 25, 2011, 09:35:55 PM
Suarez score ah real quality goal dey and he time he run well too
daiz d best goal i see in a while
The first touch was pure class
Post by: kicker on September 26, 2011, 08:12:06 AM
De man is quality. Has the knack to score from some really tight angles, and speaks volumes about his accuracy. He has to realize that he will not always play 90 mins. He really did not have a break this summer. Looks like Gerrard will be employed in a much higher position behind the lone striker, so it will be interesting to see how this affects Suarez. We need to manage him well, and not burn him out.
Suarez just very competitive - You can see it by the way he plays with hunger and desire. His little kick out after being subbed was just his desire in the heat of the moment. I eh think he feels entitled to the full 90, or that he was vex with anyone.... He like a lil 14 year old ball ho who just want tuh play lol..
Post by: Bakes on September 26, 2011, 11:26:31 AM
De man is quality. Has the knack to score from some really tight angles, and speaks volumes about his accuracy. He has to realize that he will not always play 90 mins. He really did not have a break this summer. Looks like Gerrard will be employed in a much higher position behind the lone striker, so it will be interesting to see how this affects Suarez. We need to manage him well, and not burn him out.
Suarez just very competitive - You can see it by the way he plays with hunger and desire. His little kick out after being subbed was just his desire in the heat of the moment. I eh think he feels entitled to the full 90, or that he was vex with anyone.... He like a lil 14 year old ball ho who just want tuh play lol..
Yeah I think this is how most people interpret it... even at the start of the season, Kenny mentioned needing to rest him given how much he played over the Summer. Suarez point blank (but not in an impudent way) responded that he would be fine and didn't really need the rest, lol.
Gerrard will definitely play higher up in midfield... one of the frustrations for Aquilani was that he wanted to play in the hole behind the strikers, but Kenny indicated that this was Gerrard's preferred position and that he would defer to him over Aquilani on this. I think if anything, this will increase Suarez' effectiveness... provided that Gerrard doesn't play in a too static a fashion... which he never has.
Post by: Bakes on September 27, 2011, 05:58:38 AM
Andy Hunter
guardian.co.uk, Monday 26 September 2011 17.30 EDT
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Clubs/Club_Home/2011/9/26/1317060120620/Dirk-Kuyt-007.jpg)
Dirk Kuyt believes his relegation to squad player is evidence of Liverpool's strength in depth. Photograph: Matthew Childs/Action Images
Dirk Kuyt has spoken of his disappointment at losing a regular starting place at Liverpool but accepts the club had to improve competition for places to challenge for honours once more.
The Holland international has started only half of Liverpool's six Premier League games this season as the manager, Kenny Dalglish, seeks to integrate the £20m summer signing Jordan Henderson into the team and utilises his options up front. Kuyt's absence has surprised many given his form under Dalglish last season and contribution this term, and the 31-year-old admits it has been difficult to adapt to his changing role.
"I'm disappointed to be out of the team," said Kuyt, who returned to the bench against Wolverhampton Wanderers on Saturday having started and scored against Brighton in the Carling Cup. "From childhood, I've always been disappointed when I'm not in the team because I'm desperate to be involved and make a good contribution. But it also makes me very determined too. I need to continue to prove myself, train as hard as possible and, when I do play, make sure my performance is of a high standard."
Despite the personal cost, the former Feyenoord striker admits Liverpool's squad now has the depth he encountered upon his arrival at the club in 2006 and required substantial investment following the final draining years under the former owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett.
He added: "Competition is tough now but it's brilliant for the club that there are so many players to choose from now, top-class international players. The players realise at the end of the day you need more than 11 good players to be successful.
"When I first arrived here we had a very good, big squad but for the last two seasons before this one, we haven't had the depth that we did in the first three seasons. Someone like Craig Bellamy is a strong addition to what is already a very strong squad, and that can only be good for the team. We definitely have better quality now and more players to choose from as well. I think with the signings we've made, we have a great squad now so we should be ambitious and have confidence in ourselves."
Henderson has yet to convince that he merits a place in the team ahead of Kuyt but his fellow midfielder Lucas Leiva, who overcame a difficult start to his own Anfield career before establishing himself, insists the former Sunderland player simply needs time to adapt to his summer transfer.
Lucas said: "I don't blame the young players because I have been in their position for a few years. He is English and has already adapted to the Premier League. But to change your club and move to a big place like Liverpool is difficult. I think he is playing well. He will get confidence when he gets more minutes and understands the role he needs to do more.
"We just have to keep encouraging him and give him the confidence to keep improving. We can see he has the attributes to be a good player but he is still very young and we just have to give him time and be patient. Then we will see he is a good player. We can see in training that he likes to work hard and that is the main thing. As long as you are working hard every day, your opportunities will come. He will be ready to show his best form if we don't rush him and give him time to settle."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/sep/26/dirk-kuyt-liverpool
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Could somebody explain to me why Henderson continues to start over Kuyt? steups
Post by: dinho on September 27, 2011, 06:25:50 AM
Henderson is a very average player. Very basic and very rigid in style, i struggle to point to one quality that puts him out above then next player. I consider him a poor man's James Milner who i consider to be very average himself.
If he wasn't young and English he was not ever seeing an EPL team.
Post by: JDB on September 27, 2011, 06:45:48 AM
I've said it long before since Steve Bruce started playing him in front Carlos at Sunderland... I dunno what people does see in Henderson.
Henderson is a very average player. Very basic and very rigid in style, i struggle to point to one quality that puts him out above then next player. I consider him a poor man's James Milner who i consider to be very average himself.
If he wasn't young and English he was not ever seeing an EPL team.
I could understand him playing in front of Carlos. At the time he look a better player and when any young player break through there is a kinda freshness that limits criticism.
However it is two years on now and it is a big step up from starting in front of Carlos to starting in front of Kuyt and Meireles. If the argument was that Meireles wasn’t a wide player (neither is Henderson), what is the excuse for him playing in front of Kuyt? I not the biggest Kuyt fan but even as a striker playing in midfield he giving yuh more than Henderson.
Imagine if Hodgson was starting Henderson in front of them men. Not to mention the 35M for Carroll.
Post by: Bakes on September 27, 2011, 09:35:36 AM
I've said it long before since Steve Bruce started playing him in front Carlos at Sunderland... I dunno what people does see in Henderson.
Henderson is a very average player. Very basic and very rigid in style, i struggle to point to one quality that puts him out above then next player. I consider him a poor man's James Milner who i consider to be very average himself.
If he wasn't young and English he was not ever seeing an EPL team.
Henderson is an EPL player and would be in the league, as befits a regular national U-21 and sometimes Senior player. Even Ferguson was in the hunt for him in the off-season so who am I to gainsay his talent? That said, I don't disagree that his youth and nationality plays a significant factor in him being overrated.
Post by: boss on September 28, 2011, 10:40:24 AM
I think Carroll had a really good match against B&HA (did everything but score), and I can see him scoring a hattrick out of nowhere soon.
Very interested to see what team Kenny puts out v Everton. Gerrard and Kuyt have to start as far as I'm concerned, and Glen Johnson might/should be fit... :beermug:
Post by: Bakes on September 28, 2011, 01:23:45 PM
I was under the impression that Henderson was bought as one for the future. I'm also surprised that Kenny is playing him so much, and to be honest, I don't see it continuing. I don't see him playing against Everton, especially since Kuyt always performs well in derby matches. The player looking most at risk for his place to me is Charlie Adam. With the exception of the pounding of Bolton at home, he really hasn't convinced me yet.
I think Carroll had a really good match against B&HA (did everything but score), and I can see him scoring a hattrick out of nowhere soon.
Very interested to see what team Kenny puts out v Everton. Gerrard and Kuyt have to start as far as I'm concerned, and Glen Johnson might/should be fit... :beermug:
As unconvincing as Adam has been, Henderson has been worse. His best moment also came against Bolton... he's been invisible otherwise. I think Kelly still gets the start over Johnson if he's ready, only b/c they will try and ease Johnson back into the thick of things rather than throw him in there. Agree that Gerrard and Kuyt should start, but don't see him benching Adam (unfortunately). Therefore if both start it will be Kuyt starting at the expense of Carroll... who I think had his best game of the season against Wolves... even more so than Brighton... don't forget his header off the upright. He really linked up well with Suarez, but you can tell that they still don't have that natural understanding. They need more time on the pitch together and for that one reason I think you can expect for Carroll to continue to keep his place over the next several matches... IF he continues to improve on last weekend's performance. Likely then, if Hendo is dropped it might be in favor of Kuyt.
Post by: Tenorsaw on September 28, 2011, 02:41:44 PM
I was under the impression that Henderson was bought as one for the future. I'm also surprised that Kenny is playing him so much, and to be honest, I don't see it continuing. I don't see him playing against Everton, especially since Kuyt always performs well in derby matches. The player looking most at risk for his place to me is Charlie Adam. With the exception of the pounding of Bolton at home, he really hasn't convinced me yet.
I think Carroll had a really good match against B&HA (did everything but score), and I can see him scoring a hattrick out of nowhere soon.
Very interested to see what team Kenny puts out v Everton. Gerrard and Kuyt have to start as far as I'm concerned, and Glen Johnson might/should be fit... :beermug:
As unconvincing as Adam has been, Henderson has been worse. His best moment also came against Bolton... he's been invisible otherwise. I think Kelly still gets the start over Johnson if he's ready, only b/c they will try and ease Johnson back into the thick of things rather than throw him in there. Agree that Gerrard and Kuyt should start, but don't see him benching Adam (unfortunately). Therefore if both start it will be Kuyt starting at the expense of Carroll... who I think had his best game of the season against Wolves... even more so than Brighton... don't forget his header off the upright. He really linked up well with Suarez, but you can tell that they still don't have that natural understanding. They need more time on the pitch together and for that one reason I think you can expect for Carroll to continue to keep his place over the next several matches... IF he continues to improve on last weekend's performance. Likely then, if Hendo is dropped it might be in favor of Kuyt.
Henderson will come off the bench, onceGerrard is fully fit. He had a good 1st half of the season last year, but fell off a bit. He will be develop into a very good player eventually, but I think he is feeling the pressure of playing for a bigger club. He just needs to relax and play his natural game.
Post by: Bakes on September 28, 2011, 02:51:04 PM
Henderson will come off the bench, onceGerrard is fully fit. He had a good 1st half of the season last year, but fell off a bit. He will be develop into a very good player eventually, but I think he is feeling the pressure of playing for a bigger club. He just needs to relax and play his natural game.
Gerrard is not a wing player... so assuming he replaces Henderson in the lineup, who playing right wing? Gerrard needs to play more centrally... on top of playing forward. The obvious candidate is for him to replace Adam. I suppose he could shift Downing to the right, but play Gerrard on the left with Adam and Lucas central? I still don't think that's a perfect solution. Adam is a squad player, Henderson at this point too.
Post by: Tenorsaw on September 28, 2011, 03:34:26 PM
Henderson will come off the bench, onceGerrard is fully fit. He had a good 1st half of the season last year, but fell off a bit. He will be develop into a very good player eventually, but I think he is feeling the pressure of playing for a bigger club. He just needs to relax and play his natural game.
Gerrard is not a wing player... so assuming he replaces Henderson in the lineup, who playing right wing? Gerrard needs to play more centrally... on top of playing forward. The obvious candidate is for him to replace Adam. I suppose he could shift Downing to the right, but play Gerrard on the left with Adam and Lucas central? I still don't think that's a perfect solution. Adam is a squad player, Henderson at this point too.
Kuyt or Bellamy. Although it look like Kuyt battling for a forward spot now. Bellamy's speed would be an asset on the wing, but he is more of a wide forward, as against a winger.
Post by: fish on September 28, 2011, 06:05:27 PM
Henderson frustrating to me. I cah state how much he puzzling me as a buy.
Post by: Bakes on September 28, 2011, 08:23:52 PM
Kuyt or Bellamy. Although it look like Kuyt battling for a forward spot now. Bellamy's speed would be an asset on the wing, but he is more of a wide forward, as against a winger.
Kenny would have a hard time playing Kuyt/Bellamy, Gerrard, Lucas (cuz yuh know he not sitting) Adam and Downing... not unless he go with three at the back or only one up top. A five man mid requires a sacrifice of either one of the back four or a single striker formation. Three at the back is possible, but dangerous, especially given the issues we've had so far on the right side of the defense. I also see him as preferring to play with both Suarez and Carroll in the lineup.
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Fish... I doh mind de Hendo buy, but I see him in the same light as I see Shelvey (who the readying for loan)... promising, but not quite there yet. Gerrard and Lucas will be a nice defensive combo, but is that Gerrard's best position? Is it even his preferred position? Particularly in light of the fact that Aquilani was loaned out because he wanted to play in the hole, and Kenny saying the position was Stevie G's... I doubt Gerrard playing any defensive position anytime soon. Only thing that mitigates in favor of that is the fact that he's 31.
Post by: Tenorsaw on September 29, 2011, 07:00:29 AM
Kuyt or Bellamy. Although it look like Kuyt battling for a forward spot now. Bellamy's speed would be an asset on the wing, but he is more of a wide forward, as against a winger.
Kenny would have a hard time playing Kuyt/Bellamy, Gerrard, Lucas (cuz yuh know he not sitting) Adam and Downing... not unless he go with three at the back or only one up top. A five man mid requires a sacrifice of either one of the back four or a single striker formation. Three at the back is possible, but dangerous, especially given the issues we've had so far on the right side of the defense. I also see him as preferring to play with both Suarez and Carroll in the lineup.
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Fish... I doh mind de Hendo buy, but I see him in the same light as I see Shelvey (who the readying for loan)... promising, but not quite there yet. Gerrard and Lucas will be a nice defensive combo, but is that Gerrard's best position? Is it even his preferred position? Particularly in light of the fact that Aquilani was loaned out because he wanted to play in the hole, and Kenny saying the position was Stevie G's... I doubt Gerrard playing any defensive position anytime soon. Only thing that mitigates in favor of that is the fact that he's 31.
Looks like they have the intention of playing Stevi G in the hole this season. That is why Aqua was sent out on loan again. Notice the substitution on Saturday too. That is where Gerrard has had his most successful season, although Rafa always seemed reluctant to play him there.
Post by: Feliziano on September 29, 2011, 09:21:10 AM
ah tell allyuh Henderson was a waste of money lol..speaking in terms of what we see Man U pay for Jones,Young etc that is.
i could let it slide if he get an extended run cause of Gerrard injury, but if he start this weekend and Kuyt ride bench again I would have to say Kenny just being stubborn.
on another note we have the type of players to be using a 3-5-2, especially at home
3 CB with Agger being the best passer out of defence
2 fast attack minded wing backs in Enrigue and Johnson
3 Midfielders in Gerrard, Downing roaming and Lucas sitting back
2 up top in Suarez and Kuyt and Carroll and Bellars according to the game situation
what allyuh think bout that?
Post by: Bakes on September 29, 2011, 11:13:37 AM
Particularly in light of the fact that Aquilani was loaned out because he wanted to play in the hole, and Kenny saying the position was Stevie G's... I doubt Gerrard playing any defensive position anytime soon. Only thing that mitigates in favor of that is the fact that he's 31.
Looks like they have the intention of playing Stevi G in the hole this season. That is why Aqua was sent out on loan again. Notice the substitution on Saturday too. That is where Gerrard has had his most successful season, although Rafa always seemed reluctant to play him there.
We saying de same thing breds :beermug:
Post by: Bakes on September 29, 2011, 11:31:01 AM
I prefer Shelvey over Henderson any day
ah tell allyuh Henderson was a waste of money lol..speaking in terms of what we see Man U pay for Jones,Young etc that is.
i could let it slide if he get an extended run cause of Gerrard injury, but if he start this weekend and Kuyt ride bench again I would have to say Kenny just being stubborn.
on another note we have the type of players to be using a 3-5-2, especially at home
3 CB with Agger being the best passer out of defence
2 fast attack minded wing backs in Enrigue and Johnson
3 Midfielders in Gerrard, Downing roaming and Lucas sitting back
2 up top in Suarez and Kuyt and Carroll and Bellars according to the game situation
what allyuh think bout that?
Could definitely work, but three at the back is always risky, yuh asking a a lot of Lucas and whoever the next DM is to fall back and support the defense when the two wingbacks go forward. We saw a bit of that against Stoke in February, which is part of why Stoke adjusted the configuration of the field in attempt to stifle our midfield play two weeks ago... forcing us into the long ball game.... their strength. It's a formation that can work but it's not ideal because against the right team it will leave you very vulnerable.
Post by: Tenorsaw on September 29, 2011, 12:55:51 PM
I prefer Shelvey over Henderson any day
ah tell allyuh Henderson was a waste of money lol..speaking in terms of what we see Man U pay for Jones,Young etc that is.
i could let it slide if he get an extended run cause of Gerrard injury, but if he start this weekend and Kuyt ride bench again I would have to say Kenny just being stubborn.
on another note we have the type of players to be using a 3-5-2, especially at home
3 CB with Agger being the best passer out of defence
2 fast attack minded wing backs in Enrigue and Johnson
3 Midfielders in Gerrard, Downing roaming and Lucas sitting back
2 up top in Suarez and Kuyt and Carroll and Bellars according to the game situation
what allyuh think bout that?
Could definitely work, but three at the back is always risky, yuh asking a a lot of Lucas and whoever the next DM is to fall back and support the defense when the two wingbacks go forward. We saw a bit of that against Stoke in February, which is part of why Stoke adjusted the configuration of the field in attempt to stifle our midfield play two weeks ago... forcing us into the long ball game.... their strength. It's a formation that can work but it's not ideal because against the right team it will leave you very vulnerable.
No three at the back. Too much strain on Lucas, especially with poor-tackling Adams in the 11. You really need two good holding midfielders to play three at the back, and right now, we only have one.
Post by: boss on September 29, 2011, 01:28:49 PM
http://www.anfieldindex.com/3459/jordan-henderson-central-point.html
Post by: Bitter on September 29, 2011, 02:37:26 PM
By Chris Wright
http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/liverpool/89698/30-years-gone-today-pies-30-favourite-bill-shankly-quotes.html
Today marks the 30th anniversary of Bill Shankly’s death (in 1981, maths fans!), so to pay a wee bit of homage, Pies have amassed our 30 very favourite Shankley-isms – in no particular order…
1. When asked by a Liverpudlian barber if he wanted ‘anything off the top?’, Shanks replied “Yeah, Everton.”
2. “Some people believe football is a matter of life and death, I am very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that.”
3. “If Everton were playing down the bottom of my garden, I’d draw the curtains.”
4. “We (Scotland) absolutely annihilated England. It was a massacre. We beat them 5-4.”
5. “My idea was to build Liverpool into a bastion of invincibility. Had Napoleon had that idea he would have conquered the bloody world. I wanted Liverpool to be untouchable. My idea was to build Liverpool up and up until eventually everyone would have to submit and give in.”
6. Talking to new-signing Alec Lindsay before a game: “When you get the ball, I want you to beat a couple of men and smash the ball into the net, just the same way you used to at Bury,” Lindsay replied: “But, boss, that wasn’t me, it was Jimmy Kerr.”
Shankly then turned to his assistant Bob Paisley and said: “Christ, Bob, we’ve signed the wrong player.”
7. “A football team is like a piano. You need eight men to carry it and three who can play the damn thing.”
8. “For a player to be good enough to play for Liverpool, he must be prepared to run through a brick wall for me then come out fighting on the other side.”
9. “If you are first you are first. If you are second you are nothing.”
10. “At a football club, there’s a holy trinity – the players, the manager and the supporters. Directors don’t come into it. They are only there to sign the cheques”
11. “Although I’m a Scot, I’d be proud to be called a Scouser.”
12. On Tommy Smith: “If he isn’t named Footballer of the Year this year, football should be stopped and the men who picked any other player should be sent to the Kremlin.”
13. “We murdered them 0-0.”
14. “Chairman Mao has never seen a greater show of red strength.”
15. “If you can’t make decisions in life, you’re a bloody menace. You’d be better becoming an MP!”
16. After beating Everton in the 1971 FA Cup semi-final: “Sickness would not have kept me away from this one. If I’d been dead, I would have had them bring the casket to the ground, prop it up in the stands and cut a hole in the lid.”
17. After Shanks reneged on signing his client, a disgruntled scout complained: “He has football in his blood,” to which Shankly replied: “You may be right, but it hasn’t reached his legs yet!”
18. On resigning: “It was the most difficult thing in the world, when I went to tell the chairman. It was like walking to the electric chair. That’s the way it felt.”
19. After drawing 1-1 at Anfield: “The best side drew.”
20. “I was the best manager in Britain because I was never devious or cheated anyone. I’d break my wife’s legs if I played against her, but I’d never cheat her.”
21. “I’m just one of the people who stands on the Kop. They think the same as I do, and I think the same as they do. It’s a kind of marriage of people who like each other.”
22. “The trouble with referees is that they know the rules, but they do not know the game.”
23. “Football is a simple game based on the giving and taking of passes, of controlling the ball and of making yourself available to receive a pass. It is terribly simple.”
24. To Tommy Smith: “You son, could start a riot in a graveyard.”
25. “This city has two great teams – Liverpool and Liverpool reserves.”
26. “Of course I didn’t take my wife to see Rochdale as an anniversary present. It was her birthday. Would I have got married in the football season? Anyway, it was Rochdale reserves.”
27. After being caught out putting ‘Anfield’ as his place of residence on a Brussels Hotel’s register: “But that’s where I live!”
28. “The problem with you, son, is that all your brains are in your head.”
29. “The socialism I believe in is everybody working for the same goal and everybody having a share in the rewards. That’s how I see football, that’s how I see life.”
30. “I’ve been a slave to football. It follows you home, it follows you everywhere, and eats into your family life. But every working man misses out on some things because of his job.”
Suggested further viewing…
The Black-And-White Years: 18 Glorious Photos Of Bill Shankly (http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/liverpool/85423/the-black-and-white-years-18-glorious-photos-of-bill-shankly-happy-birthday-shanks.html)
Post by: FF on September 29, 2011, 03:05:28 PM
Quote
26. “Of course I didn’t take my wife to see Rochdale as an anniversary present. It was her birthday. Would I have got married in the football season? Anyway, it was Rochdale reserves.”
Post by: Tenorsaw on September 29, 2011, 03:20:12 PM
Post by: Bakes on September 29, 2011, 07:53:36 PM
Interesting post re. Jordan Henderson including stats and heatmaps. It doesn't really conclude anything or add much, but interesting nonetheless :beermug:
http://www.anfieldindex.com/3459/jordan-henderson-central-point.html
Good article... stats only confirms what everybody else has sensed. Quote of the day, "To nobody, save perhaps the Liverpool coaching staff, he is a right winger who should be keeping Dirk Kuyt out of the side."
Post by: Bitter on October 01, 2011, 06:16:18 AM
I feel he wearing red jocky shorts. Steups
Post by: Bitter on October 01, 2011, 06:32:26 AM
Save by Howard!!!
Post by: kaliman2006 on October 01, 2011, 06:39:19 AM
Atkinson just spoil this game.
I feel he wearing red jocky shorts. Steups
Rodwell should not have been sent off. I would say he should have gotten a yellow card if anything. A straight red is harsh.
Post by: Bakes on October 01, 2011, 06:51:23 AM
Atkinson just spoil this game.
I feel he wearing red jocky shorts. Steups
Why would you suggest that he's biased in favor of Liverpool? Atkinson is just a bad official. Macca even called it early by saying "I hope he doesn't get card-happy". Just two seasons ago he red-carded Kyriagkos on some bullshit... then evened it out late in the match by sending off Cahill.
Agree that he spoil de match though... not only the vibes, but strategically as well. Now Everton park de buss in their half with only Saha up top. Kuyt was poor on the penalty... real weak effort.
Post by: Bitter on October 01, 2011, 07:03:18 AM
Atkinson just spoil this game.
I feel he wearing red jocky shorts. Steups
Why would you suggest that he's biased in favor of Liverpool? Atkinson is just a bad official. Macca even called it early by saying "I hope he doesn't get card-happy". Just two seasons ago he red-carded Kyriagkos on some bullshit... then evened it out late in the match by sending off Cahill.
Agree that he spoil de match though... not only the vibes, but strategically as well. Now Everton park de buss in their half with only Saha up top. Kuyt was poor on the penalty... real weak effort.
That call was an order of magnitude worse than bad. My only logical explanation for the red is Bias, b/c he couldn't be that bad. But you right, Atkinson is a shit ref. I wonder if you could sub the ref @ the half. Tell everybody he had a hamstring pull...
Post by: Bakes on October 01, 2011, 07:39:33 AM
Carroll deserved his goal... finally! and Suarez deserve his for all his hustle.
Post by: Tenorsaw on October 01, 2011, 11:32:53 AM
Liverpool did well to take the three points from this match... the Bellamy sub was a masterstroke, again. Suarez continues to be a lightning rod for controversy... which is unfortunate because he doesn't deserve it. He goes down a bit too easily for my taste and embellishes fouls... but as long as he not simulating I okay with that.
Carroll deserved his goal... finally! and Suarez deserve his for all his hustle.
Dat is the S. American way. I always find it in poor taste. We need to start a separate thread for poor refereeing: " The Ref Got It Wrong". The ref spoiled the Wolves-Newcastle game too. He called a free kick for Wolves outside the box, when replays show the fould was committed well inside the line. This was just on the stroke of half time. Would have definitely fired up Wolves for the second half.
Post by: Bakes on October 01, 2011, 05:12:13 PM
Liverpool did well to take the three points from this match... the Bellamy sub was a masterstroke, again. Suarez continues to be a lightning rod for controversy... which is unfortunate because he doesn't deserve it. He goes down a bit too easily for my taste and embellishes fouls... but as long as he not simulating I okay with that.
Carroll deserved his goal... finally! and Suarez deserve his for all his hustle.
Dat is the S. American way. I always find it in poor taste. We need to start a separate thread for poor refereeing: " The Ref Got It Wrong". The ref spoiled the Wolves-Newcastle game too. He called a free kick for Wolves outside the box, when replays show the fould was committed well inside the line. This was just on the stroke of half time. Would have definitely fired up Wolves for the second half.
I absolutely can't stand it... definitely a South American thing, but something you see a lot on the continent. Atkinson definitely spoil what could have been a really good game. Still a great result for 'Pool, but could have been a fabulous derby... minus the moaning (that's sure to come) from Everton.
Post by: Bakes on October 07, 2011, 06:22:27 AM
Number 4 have some real nice all-time goals from about halfway in the vid.
Post by: kaliman2006 on October 07, 2011, 08:18:05 AM
10 Things that make Liverpool FC Great (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/882833-liverpool-fc-10-things-that-make-the-club-great)...
Number 4 have some real nice all-time goals from about halfway in the vid.
Thanks for remining me why I am a fan of this great club.
Post by: Feliziano on October 07, 2011, 12:35:12 PM
Ditto10 Things that make Liverpool FC Great (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/882833-liverpool-fc-10-things-that-make-the-club-great)...
Number 4 have some real nice all-time goals from about halfway in the vid.
Thanks for remining me why I am a fan of this great club.
felt chills while reading the few points bout the Hillsborough disaster and the minute silence during the Milan v Madrid game.
Good article :beermug:
Post by: Bakes on October 07, 2011, 12:46:14 PM
Ditto10 Things that make Liverpool FC Great (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/882833-liverpool-fc-10-things-that-make-the-club-great)...
Number 4 have some real nice all-time goals from about halfway in the vid.
Thanks for remining me why I am a fan of this great club.
felt chills while reading the few points bout the Hillsborough disaster and the minute silence during the Milan v Madrid game.
Good article :beermug:
Same here... I always tried to avoid dwelling on Hillsborough in particular, but the part by Grobelaar where he said the fans were calling out to him... had to blink back tears at that part :'(
Four days later, the Milan fans singing "You'll Never Walk Alone" for the dead Liverpool fans... no other sport like football... no other club in the world like LFC :beermug:
Post by: boss on October 08, 2011, 07:13:20 AM
Four days later, the Milan fans singing "You'll Never Walk Alone"
Don't forget Leo Beenhakker had a role in that as well, as manager of Real Madrid at the time. :beermug:
Post by: Bakes on October 14, 2011, 03:06:09 AM
United have allowed 131 shots on goal... not counting the ones blocked.
Of those 44 have been on target, 5 goals, 39 saves.
The 131 SOG and 39 saves are tops in the league... good that De Gea saving a healthy percentage, but not good that he getting peppered like that.
Not sure what Liverpool's SOG is for the season, but of the shots on target there were 32, 24 saves and 8 goals. So Reina seeing less bullet, but he letting in more goals... Stoke penalty notwithstanding.
More discussed in the article 5 Things Kenny must get right against United... (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/893526-liverpool-vs-manchester-united-5-things-kenny-dalglish-must-get-right)
Post by: boss on October 14, 2011, 01:53:52 PM
Looking at our fixture list, after this we have a good run of teams we should beat, until Chelsea on November 20th. 3 pts tomorrow would be a great start..
Post by: Bakes on October 14, 2011, 02:57:50 PM
Very curious to see who makes way for Gerrard - Adam or Carroll? I feel like Carroll is finally on a good run, and having scored against Everton it would hit his confidence to drop him now. Having said that, Gerrard playing just behind Suarez could be very very effective... :beermug:
Looking at our fixture list, after this we have a good run of teams we should beat, until Chelsea on November 20th. 3 pts tomorrow would be a great start..
Yeah I think yuh have to leave Carroll in the lineup... we have to test De Gea early and often.
side note: LeBron James in town for the match with Man U.
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150456661852573.406164.67920382572&type=1
Post by: Bakes on October 15, 2011, 06:43:38 AM
Dalglish surprising bench Carroll, for what, God only knows... to start Charlie mothertrucking Adams. Steups. Five man middle with Adams and Lucas in CM with Gerrard wide right, Kuyt middle and Downing left... Suarez alone up top. Not one fart to show fuh it... save a tepid, and wasted effort in the 35' by Suarez.
Post by: Bitter on October 15, 2011, 07:12:47 AM
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Post by: Bakes on October 15, 2011, 07:24:33 AM
Kuyt pulling out a fantastic save from De Gea on the other end. Game screaming fuh Bellamy.
Post by: D.H.W on October 15, 2011, 07:34:56 AM
Post by: Bakes on October 15, 2011, 07:38:29 AM
Keeper! Da Gea!
He was fabulous... Dalglish pick ah very ineffective side. All credit to United to salvage a point from this game.
Post by: elan on October 15, 2011, 07:39:02 AM
Post by: Tenorsaw on October 15, 2011, 07:43:58 AM
Finally I can say, what a game Liverpool!!!!! Man Utd pussy footing around the field, going forward with utmost caution, no creativity. Whereas on the other side football was on display. Well done. :beermug:
Ferguson has respect for Dalgish and vice versa. Good second half, with slight edge to 'Pool who were thwarted by some good goolkeeping by De Gea: he coming good! Henderson had a decent half, but probably should have had one for himself. Overall, a fair result.
Post by: Tenorsaw on October 15, 2011, 09:00:31 AM
Post by: Bakes on October 15, 2011, 09:59:09 AM
Anyone see Lebron James decked out stepping off a bus, with Liverpool scarf around his neck? Looking for photo, but none so far. ;D The Liverpool brand is going to the next level. Shrewd biz by FSG.
Yeah ah spot that... yuh ent see the link earlier with him touring Anfield? Photos were posted both on his and the Liverpool FC Facebook pages.
Post by: Tenorsaw on October 15, 2011, 10:26:06 AM
Anyone see Lebron James decked out stepping off a bus, with Liverpool scarf around his neck? Looking for photo, but none so far. ;D The Liverpool brand is going to the next level. Shrewd biz by FSG.
Yeah ah spot that... yuh ent see the link earlier with him touring Anfield? Photos were posted both on his and the Liverpool FC Facebook pages.
Only saw it when I Googled for today's pics.
Post by: Peong on October 15, 2011, 10:28:30 AM
Post by: boss on October 15, 2011, 02:05:10 PM
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on October 15, 2011, 02:10:07 PM
Post by: Bakes on October 15, 2011, 02:34:04 PM
Evra looked pretty upset with him so I wouldnt doubt things were said... I love Suarez the player but that is inexcusable , hope its not true too but cant see Evra lying about something like that
Evra is a imps... I like the guy more than most other players on that squad but he has a strong undercurrent of jackass to his personality. Would Suarez racially abuse him and then pat him on the head to make peace? Possible... but unlikely. Was it the racial abuse that had him rolling around on the ground by the corner flag? Then after that, what was his excuse for getting into it with Kuyt? Sounds to me like he's trying to justify the hotheadedness.
Post by: kicker on October 15, 2011, 02:56:32 PM
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on October 15, 2011, 03:16:10 PM
Hopefully he is back
Post by: boss on October 16, 2011, 08:46:18 AM
Luis Suarez: I'm upset by the acusations of racism. I can only say that I have always respected and respect everybody. We are all the same. I go to the field with the maximum illusion of a little child who enjoys what he does, not to create conflicts.
Post by: Bakes on October 16, 2011, 08:51:02 AM
Post by: dinho on October 16, 2011, 09:07:54 AM
It was right after the incident when Suarez kicked him by the corner flag and the ref didn't blow. Evra was up in his face and Suarez said something to him and the look on Evra's face was that "get call N word" look.
If true, i hope they make an example of him.
Post by: Bakes on October 16, 2011, 07:57:33 PM
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Sport/Pix/columnists/2011/10/16/1318790895458/Lusi-Suarez-007.jpg)
Liverpool's Luis Suárez exchanges words with Manchester United's Patrice Evra
during the Premier League match at Anfield. Photograph: Andrew Yates/AFP
Liverpool have given their firm backing to Luis Suárez over his denial that he racially abused Patrice Evra at Anfield on Saturday – and want the Manchester United defender to receive a ban from the Football Association should his accusations prove groundless.
The Uruguay international has vehemently denied Evra's allegations that he racially abused him during Liverpool's 1-1 draw with United and will fight to clear his name if the FA decides to open a disciplinary case.
Suárez has also received a show of support from his employers. A Liverpool spokesman said: "Luis is adamant that he has not used language of that nature and the club is totally supportive of the player."
The inquiry will begin with the FA asking to speak to Evra on Monday to ascertain whether he intends to make an official complaint. Evra's accusation is that he was called "a nigger" – the Senegal-born Frenchman said he heard it "at least 10 times" – but Suárez insists it is not true.
"I'm upset by the accusations of racism," he said. "I can only say that I have always respected, and respect, everybody. We are all the same." Liverpool have accepted Suárez's version of events and, given the potential repercussions for their striker if Evra's allegations are proven, believe the France international should have a disciplinary case to answer if allegations of this magnitude are dropped.
Evra, accompanied by Sir Alex Ferguson, asked to see the referee Andre Marriner, after the match to report the alleged incidents and later expressed his anger in an interview with Canal Plus.
"In 2011, there are things you can't say any more," he said. "The referee knows and there will be an investigation. But I don't want to repeat what he said." The interviewer asked if Suárez had used racist words and he replied: "Yes, he did. We can see thanks to the television what he said. He said it at least 10 times. We can read it on his lips."
Evra's complaints have been included in Marriner's match report but the referee has also informed the FA and the Premier League that the first he knew of it was after the match. The two players could be seen exchanging words at various points of the second half but it may count against Evra that he did not raise the alleged offence with Marriner during the game.
On that basis, Evra will almost certainly need back-up statements from his United team-mates if the FA is to decide there is evidence to make a case against Suárez. United would not say if there were witnesses to Evra's allegations but, without them, the authorities may decide it is a case of one man's word against another.
In 2008 Evra was at the centre of accusations that he was racially abused by a groundsman at Chelsea while warming down. But an FA hearing into the allegation – which was made by a Manchester United employee – found that it was not proven. Evra was subsequently banned for four games and fined £15,000 for his part in the post-match altercation with the groundsman. The controversy comes at a particularly bad time given that Saturday's match launched Kick It Out's three-week "One Game, One Community" action programme, with players from both sides wearing anti-racism T-shirts, and every manager through the leagues wearing one of the organisation's badges.
A message was read out before the game saying that Liverpool did not tolerate racism of any form, and there was a message in the club programme, including a telephone number for supporters to report anyone guilty of offences.
Lord Herman Ouesley, the chairman of Kick It Out, said any footballer guilty of racism should face "severe action" both from the FA and the player's club, but "you would have to be able to prove it beyond reasonable doubt".
He added: "There were incidents in the second half and Evra seemed to get very agitated so something was obviously bugging him because he was quite incensed. But if this happened he should have brought it to the attention of the referee at the time."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/oct/16/liverpool-patrice-evra-luis-suarez
Post by: Tenorsaw on October 16, 2011, 07:57:54 PM
Post by: just cool on October 16, 2011, 08:20:15 PM
Post by: rotatopoti3 on October 17, 2011, 06:43:15 AM
Suarez is innocent until proven otherwise
Post by: kicker on October 17, 2011, 08:40:51 AM
If you think racist thoughts in life off the field, hurtful things will be said regardless of location.
Post by: fish on October 18, 2011, 12:42:49 PM
Never liked suarez since that WC incident, that piece of sh!t! i believe evra, well let me rephrase that, i really want too believe him, bc saurez is ah dirt bag and i expect any thing from him
Suarez is innocent until proven otherwise
I said it before and I'll say it again... If Suarez was playing for Trinidad and he hands d ball on d line making we go further in d World Cup, F*** YES I more than happy. He ain't cheat. He use he brains and he reflexes. Rules is rules.
I rel don't unders all d hate from that play by people unless u a strong backer of Ghana football.
Post by: boss on October 18, 2011, 01:07:22 PM
I said it before and I'll say it again... If Suarez was playing for Trinidad and he hands d ball on d line making we go further in d World Cup, F*** YES I more than happy. He ain't cheat. He use he brains and he reflexes. Rules is rules.
I rel don't unders all d hate from that play by people unless u a strong backer of Ghana football.
I agree with you. Also, he received a punishment that fit the crime. Plus, blocking a ball on the line is a quick and instinctive thing; the allegation that it makes him a cheat makes no sense to me. His celebration afterwards was over the top, but something else entirely.
The real shame about that incident was that it overshadowed Asamoah Gyan, who missed the resulting penalty, but was ballsy enough to step up and take one in the shootout. :beermug:
Post by: Bakes on October 18, 2011, 02:52:31 PM
I said it before and I'll say it again... If Suarez was playing for Trinidad and he hands d ball on d line making we go further in d World Cup, F*** YES I more than happy. He ain't cheat. He use he brains and he reflexes. Rules is rules.
I rel don't unders all d hate from that play by people unless u a strong backer of Ghana football.
I don't care who he's
Post by: Bakes on October 18, 2011, 02:54:38 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-15339818?utm_source=bleacherreport.com&utm_medium=referral
Post by: fish on October 19, 2011, 09:35:02 AM
I said it before and I'll say it again... If Suarez was playing for Trinidad and he hands d ball on d line making we go further in d World Cup, F*** YES I more than happy. He ain't cheat. He use he brains and he reflexes. Rules is rules.
I rel don't unders all d hate from that play by people unless u a strong backer of Ghana football.
I don't care who he'splayingcheating for... cheating is cheating and I will never like nor support it. I don't hate the yute I just don't think what he did has ANY place in the game. Call me naive/old school if allyuh want, but I believe that how you play the game matters as much as, if more than the game itself. If that's not the case then we forever cede the right to complain about diving, simulating, man dreads getting pull etc. of any sort.
I unders wha u sayin Bakes, but he do that once ent? So what about people like Nani, Cristiano, Pedro...I just calling names off the top of my head. But players who constantly simulate. You cah watch them play then because old school or not, it in almost every game on tv. I hate simulation but all I saying is that I don't understate the notion toward Suarez under one incident rather than other players/teams known to cheat, consistently.
To me it contradicting.
Post by: Bakes on October 26, 2011, 08:46:52 PM
I unders wha u sayin Bakes, but he do that once ent? So what about people like Nani, Cristiano, Pedro...I just calling names off the top of my head. But players who constantly simulate. You cah watch them play then because old school or not, it in almost every game on tv. I hate simulation but all I saying is that I don't understate the notion toward Suarez under one incident rather than other players/teams known to cheat, consistently.
To me it contradicting.
As contradicting as it might be people have a right to not root for him if they think he's a cheat, same reason I used to love when man kick down Ronaldo. Suarez playing a dangerous game though, ref refuse to give him anything against Norwich... including a legitimate freekick on a last man foul late in the game. Getting to the point where his rep preceding him and it could hurt the team.
Post by: Bakes on October 26, 2011, 08:52:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/ZHZVPjf6Pi8
Running out of superlatives to describe Suarez....superb goal versus Stoke today.
heckuva goal... hopefully it gets him going in the League.
Post by: Tenorsaw on October 26, 2011, 08:58:31 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/ZHZVPjf6Pi8
Running out of superlatives to describe Suarez....superb goal versus Stoke today.
heckuva goal... hopefully it gets him going in the League.
De man daring...fully knew what he was going to do. Shaking my head.
Post by: Peong on October 26, 2011, 09:30:42 PM
Post by: mukumsplau on October 27, 2011, 07:53:21 AM
Post by: rotatopoti3 on October 27, 2011, 08:37:27 AM
Post by: Bakes on October 29, 2011, 06:10:08 PM
Post by: Tenorsaw on October 30, 2011, 11:14:32 PM
Very good win today... Suarez was at the heart of everything Liverpool did on offense today. Did everything but put the ball in the back of the net. Recap and player ratings here (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/916672-liverpool-player-ratings-vs-west-bromwich-albion-reds-return-to-winning-ways).
Gotta keep racking up dem wins. Could have been third if we didn't play de fool with Norwich.
Post by: Zeppo on November 15, 2011, 08:20:14 AM
Patrice Evra has been informed that he may have difficulty proving he was the victim of racial abuse from Luis Suárez, because of a counter-argument that certain variations of the N-word are not deemed offensive where the Liverpool player grew up, in Uruguay.
The Manchester United defender has accused Suárez of using racist language during a 1-1 draw at Anfield on 15 October and is waiting to discover whether, almost a month later, the Football Association will charge the Liverpool striker with misconduct. Top-level sources at Old Trafford say the offending word was uttered in Spanish and allegedly was a derivative of "negro", with Evra stating that it was used "at least 10 times".
However, Suárez has categorically denied racially abusing the Senegal‑born France player and the FA's investigators are having to consider the different context with which words that would be considered offensive in England are commonly used in Uruguay and other Spanish-speaking countries.
(continue) (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/nov/13/luis-suarez-patrice-evra)
Post by: boss on November 15, 2011, 08:27:30 AM
Post by: Zeppo on November 16, 2011, 01:21:42 PM
Liverpool striker Luis Suarez has been charged by the Football Association with racially abusing Manchester United defender Patrice Evra. The pair clashed during the teams' 1-1 draw at Anfield on 15 October.
Uruguayan Suarez, 24, has denied Evra's claim that he used racist language to the France international.
Following the FA charge, Liverpool said they would remain supportive of Suarez and that he would plead not guilty on his return from international duty.
(continue) (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/15764900.stm)
Post by: Bakes on November 17, 2011, 12:10:04 AM
Post by: Zeppo on November 18, 2011, 06:44:57 AM
Patrice Evra, the Manchester United defender at the centre of the Luis Suárez racism case, has been accused of overreacting and "crying like a baby" in an astonishing attack by Gus Poyet, a friend of the Liverpool striker.
Poyet's condemnation flies in the face of the Kick It Out campaign's instruction for footballers to report anything they consider to be racial slurs. But the Brighton manager believes Suárez has been harshly treated and his dismay about his fellow Uruguayan being charged by the Football Association manifested itself in an outburst about the behaviour of the alleged victim.
(continue) (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/nov/17/gus-poyet-luis-suarez-racism)
Post by: mukumsplau on November 18, 2011, 09:14:28 AM
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Liverpool-striker-Andy-Carroll-worth-f-all-claims-Newcastle-MD-Derek-Llambias-article829815.html (http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Liverpool-striker-Andy-Carroll-worth-f-all-claims-Newcastle-MD-Derek-Llambias-article829815.html)
Toon chief: Carroll is worth 'f*** all'
Derek Llambias, the man who brokered the deal that made Andy Carroll the most expensive Englishman in football history, has sensationally claimed: “He’s worth f*** all!”
The Toon MD’s disparaging verdict on England striker Carroll (below) came when he was giving a group of Newcastle fans an insight into the £35million deal that took the England striker to Liverpool in January.
Llambias insists that Newcastle got the better of the deal.
The Anfield club’s first bid was £30m and Llambias told the fans: “I have to admit that £30m for Andy Carroll is a lot of money.”
When one supporter asked him “Is he worth £30m?” Llambias responded: “No — he’s worth f*** all.” He then explains that after rejecting the £30m offer, Newcastle refused to sell even for £35m unless Liverpool paid the entire fee up front.
A move that forced Liverpool to ask Chelsea to increase their first instalment of the £50m they had already agreed to pay for Fernando Torres!
Llambias explained: “It is about control.
“We had the control. We knew the Torres deal was there.
“We drew that f****** deal, perhaps the ultimate.
“So £30m? F*** off! Don’t waste my time and I slammed the phone down.
“£35m? Everybody including Pardew [manager Alan Pardew] all agreed.
“But the £35m they wanted to pay over four years. It was rubbish. Mike (Ashley) said — and he is a brave boy Mike I promise you — get all the £35m up front.
“We got it all up front and then they never paid us on time and we charged them 12 grand f****** interest.”
Post by: Tenorsaw on November 18, 2011, 10:32:34 AM
Post by: JDB on November 18, 2011, 12:40:43 PM
Uruguay was the first South American super power winning 6 of the 1st 10 Copa Americas between 1916 and 1926. Also they were the first non-european team to play ijn the Olympics in 1924. This was before anybody even conceive of having a World Cup.
Uruguay dominate both ethe 1924 and 1928 WCs winning at a canter. For the Europeans it must have been like seeing a team of players from Mars come and play. Anyway this was the seed that result in the foundation of the World Cup because Olympic rules prohibited the inclusion of professionals and the Europeans marvelled at the concept of international competition (and wanted to beat this 3rd world country presumably). Lo and behold, even with professionals Uruguay went on to win the first World Cup and again in 1950 not losing a WC match until 1954.
Anyway suffice it to say that Uruguay has a rich history and Suarez stands on the shoulders of past giants of the World game but was unique about Uruguayan football that helped them dominate much bigger rivals Brazil and Argentina and the rest of the World?
The African influence
Uruguay was the first south american nation to include members of their black diaspora in their team, not as equals, but as stars. Jose Leandro Andrade “the black wonder” is legendary as the first world superstar. In fact Vickery writes that for spectators of the 1924 Olympics he would have been the first black player they had ever seen, and he was the best.
I don’t expect Suarez to have this as context for any of his actions, especially when he is a chain-up artist but there is some irony in the best Uruguayan player of today being accused of racism when historically Uruguay were pioneers and lack players played such an important role in Uruguayan and world football development and success.
Post by: JDB on November 18, 2011, 12:45:30 PM
As an eyewitness, the legendary German international Richard Hofmann described Andrade, who came from the poorest class in his country and privately was considered a very restless customer: “Uruguay then was the best team in the world. Their star was Andrade. He was a football artist who could simply do anything with the ball. He was a tall guy with elastic movements, who always preferred the direct, elegant game without physical contact and was always ahead with his thoughts by several moves. Andrade was a noticeably fair player. He never reverted to the theatrical interludes of his team-mates, who pinched or rolled on the pitch after fouls in order to achieve an advantage with the referees. Even during the match Andrade always beamed friendly smiles”.
A Dutch journalist enthused after Uruguay’s Olympic victory: “Andrade was such a great player and his colleagues were such aces that you felt sorry to leave the stadium.” On the road to the Olympic gold medal, Andrade suffered a bad injury which later turned out to be far-reaching. In the semi-final match against Italy Andrade crashed into the goalpost during a defensive action and sustained a major eye injury.
Also despite his acceptance in football circles he still suffered the effects of racism in his non-footballing life.
(http://www.conti-online.com/generator/www/de/en/continental/contisoccerworld/themes/00_fifa_wm_2010/50_wm_stars/img/andrade2_en,property=original.jpg)
Post by: Zeppo on November 18, 2011, 03:13:30 PM
I spend a lot of time listening to Tim Vickery (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/tim_vickery/02/10/luis.suarez/index.html) on various shows...
Does he do some kind of radio show or podcast you can listen to?
Post by: JDB on November 18, 2011, 11:32:11 PM
I spend a lot of time listening to Tim Vickery (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/tim_vickery/02/10/luis.suarez/index.html) on various shows...
Does he do some kind of radio show or podcast you can listen to?
He does the World Football Phone-in every Friday night on BBC 5 Live. You can download the podcast here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/wf). They also have Shaun Wheelock every two weeks talking about North American football and US players.
He does World Football Daily (http://www.worldfootballdaily.com/site) on a regular basis
Post by: boss on November 19, 2011, 06:12:11 AM
l'pool really got ass-raped here..but then again, its the market..
The thing that people never bring up is his wages. Most £35m players are paid > 120k a week, Carroll is (reportedly) on < 50k a week. Yes the transfer fee was huge, but when you take his wages into account, it wasn't THAT bad of a deal. Also, I think this consensus that Carroll is a flop/failure/expensive-waste-of-space is ridiculous. He's been a disappointment, yes, but I think he deserves a full season before any conclusions can be made. :beermug:
Post by: boss on November 19, 2011, 06:18:56 AM
He does the World Football Phone-in every Friday night on BBC 5 Live. You can download the podcast here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/wf). They also have Shaun Wheelock every two weeks talking about North American football and US players.
He does World Football Daily (http://www.worldfootballdaily.com/site) on a regular basis
The World Football phone In is essential listening. In addition to Tim and Sean, they also have Andy Brassell on every other week talking about European football :beermug:
Post by: giggsy11 on November 20, 2011, 10:34:35 AM
Post by: Bakes on November 20, 2011, 12:31:39 PM
Second hald AVB pull the increasingly shitty Mikel and bring on Sturridge and the move paid dividends. Malouda had to be Chelsea's MOM and I thought he had his way with Johnson. Johnson had a poor game until the goal... great pass from Adam, great control, dribble and finish by Johnson.
Post by: Feliziano on November 20, 2011, 02:27:39 PM
Mikel and Sideshow Bob aka David Luis (BBC Sport) were utter shit.
2nd half we didn't deal effectively with Mata through the middle, maybe we coulda brought on Spearing a few minutes after the restart in place of Maxi?
As soon as I was telling myself like Adam defensive play improved over the last 2 weeks, he end up on the wrong side of Malouda and goal score lol
Suarez seemed to have toned down on the histrionics but I think he needs to learn how to get his message of endearment across to other players or simply don't even attempt to apologize for any accidents lol..case in point during the 1st half when he went for a ball and Luis fell off the pitch.
My man of the match was Charlie Adam...Pepe had a good game also.
Post by: Feliziano on November 20, 2011, 02:32:43 PM
Unfortunately his 5 yrd old son Luca passed away from leukemia this week..my condolences goes out to him and his family :(
here's a link for a video off the Liverpooltv site
couldn't help myself by not choking up especially after seeing the photos and the Ben 10 references.
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/rest-in-peace-luca-jones
Post by: Bakes on November 20, 2011, 02:45:11 PM
Good tactics and 1st half performance...shoulda had the game wrapped up by then.
Mikel and Sideshow Bob aka David Luis (BBC Sport) were utter shit.
2nd half we didn't deal effectively with Mata through the middle, maybe we coulda brought on Spearing a few minutes after the restart in place of Maxi?
As soon as I was telling myself like Adam defensive play improved over the last 2 weeks, he end up on the wrong side of Malouda and goal score lol
Suarez seemed to have toned down on the histrionics but I think he needs to learn how to get his message of endearment across to other players or simply don't even attempt to apologize for any accidents lol..case in point during the 1st half when he went for a ball and Luis fell off the pitch.
My man of the match was Charlie Adam...Pepe had a good game also.
Aye, doh let Mango Chutney hear yuh say Mikel had ah shitty game... yuh mad or what?
Hard tuh really fault Adam on the Malouda goal (unless that was his man). Terry pull Johnson wide and towards the endline opening up room for Malouda to run free... look like Adam see him late and tried to cover, but not sure that was his assignment.
Agree with you on Suarez, as the article will say. He seems very conscious of the criticism of recent weeks and consequently was out there trying to be extra nice to opponents and extra safe with his passes. He play real shit... the nice layoff to Bellamy-to-Maxi notwithstanding.
Post by: Feliziano on November 20, 2011, 02:53:03 PM
LOL @ Mango Chow and Mikel...he can't even pass the ball forward
ah remember there was a discussion a while back about Lucas and Mikel..and people was saying Mikel isnt a defensive mid etc
there is no way i picking Mikel over Lucas
Post by: Tenorsaw on November 20, 2011, 03:01:07 PM
Post by: Bakes on November 20, 2011, 03:02:48 PM
yeah I think you might be right with Adam trying to cover back the play.
LOL @ Mango Chow and Mikel...he can't even pass the ball forward
ah remember there was a discussion a while back about Lucas and Mikel..and people was saying Mikel isnt a defensive mid etc
there is no way i picking Mikel over Lucas
Mikel is ah boss. He juss surrounded by shitty players, misunderstood... and maybe wasn't hugged enough as a child. Or maybe he juss need to comb he hair. Lucas and every other Liverpool player shitty compared to Chelsea.
Lucas: big holding mid. Would not sell him for the world. He has really matured since Mascherano left.
Agreed... only wrong foot he put forward all day was the yellow card on Luiz. Even so Luiz made a meal of minimal contact and Probert buy it.
Post by: Feliziano on November 20, 2011, 03:04:46 PM
:rotfl:yeah I think you might be right with Adam trying to cover back the play.
LOL @ Mango Chow and Mikel...he can't even pass the ball forward
ah remember there was a discussion a while back about Lucas and Mikel..and people was saying Mikel isnt a defensive mid etc
there is no way i picking Mikel over Lucas
Mikel is ah boss. He juss surrounded by shitty players, misunderstood... and maybe wasn't hugged enough as a child. Or maybe he juss need to comb he hair. Lucas and every other Liverpool player shitty compared to Chelsea.
he don't get no respect either
ah remeber Drogba telling him to stfu when Drogba get sent off against QPR lol
Post by: Mango Chow! on November 20, 2011, 03:09:19 PM
yeah I think you might be right with Adam trying to cover back the play.
LOL @ Mango Chow and Mikel...he can't even pass the ball forward
ah remember there was a discussion a while back about Lucas and Mikel..and people was saying Mikel isnt a defensive mid etc
there is no way i picking Mikel over Lucas
Yuh pickin' Malouda and his "MOM" performance over Kuyt? What about Lampard. You would trade any of your attacking mids for him right now?
Post by: Mango Chow! on November 20, 2011, 03:21:40 PM
yeah I think you might be right with Adam trying to cover back the play.
LOL @ Mango Chow and Mikel...he can't even pass the ball forward
ah remember there was a discussion a while back about Lucas and Mikel..and people was saying Mikel isnt a defensive mid etc
there is no way i picking Mikel over Lucas
Yuh pickin' Malouda and his "MOM" performance over Kuyt? What about Lampard. You would trade any of your attacking mids for him right now?
..I eh hearin' yuh....
Post by: Tenorsaw on November 22, 2011, 02:36:52 PM
LeBron: Kenny is something else
LeBron James has revealed how his first ever visit to Liverpool last month has left a lasting impression.
The American basketball superstar was on Merseyside for the Reds' clash with Manchester United on October 15.
He also met the players and staff at Melwood and made a donation of $10,000 to the LFC Foundation.
After the conclusion of his visit, James described it as 'one of the single best experiences of my life' on his personal Twitter page.
"That came from the simple fact of how passionate and loyal those fans are," he said.
"But to walk through the facility the day before - to see all the history and achievements was very powerful.
"Liverpool have won 18 league championships and it meant a lot to read about King Kenny and Steven Gerrard - a hometown kid who now captains the team.
"And then to be at Anfield and see 40,000 fans screaming at the top of their lungs, the whole game was an unbelievable experience for me.
"King Kenny is something else.
"His accent is very strong. So it was very difficult to understand what he was saying - but it was great being around him and (Luis) Suarez and Gerrard and Dirk (Kuyt) and those guys. I was very humbled that they knew me."
James admits he's excited by what the future holds for Liverpool following their acquisition by Fenway Sports Group.
"Any time you have so much history and so much power behind their story, there is great potential to continue that expansion," added the Miami Heat star.
"Liverpool are definitely one of those clubs.
"There are some teams and logos you see, no matter where you are in the world, and you know exactly who they are and what they mean. I see Liverpool in that group."
On the basketball court, James is chasing his first NBA championship ring - and he admits it would be a dream to achieve his goal alongside a 19th league title for Liverpool.
He said: "It definitely gives me another incentive to be part of that team (Liverpool). They're striving to be a champion and I'm striving to do the same. It would be great if we could do it in the same year."
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Nice read. Lebron seems to really be immersing himself in the culture and history of LFC.
Post by: Feliziano on November 27, 2011, 09:06:12 AM
Liverpool starting lineup: Reina, Johnson, Skrtel, Agger, Enrique, Henderson, Lucas, Adam, Downing, Kuyt, Suarez. . .Subs: Doni, Kelly, Carragher, Coates, Spearing, Maxi, Carroll
No Bellars...wouldv'e liked to seen him play but maybe he knew his head wouldn't be in the right way.
YNWA :)
Post by: Bitter on November 27, 2011, 10:37:48 AM
First game i see this season, where the opposing team giving Man city a real run.
Post by: giggsy11 on November 27, 2011, 11:22:56 AM
Post by: Fyzoman on November 27, 2011, 11:39:40 AM
Post by: Trini Madness on November 27, 2011, 11:56:43 AM
Post by: Bakes on November 27, 2011, 12:18:23 PM
Come on boys we can do this!!!
Liverpool starting lineup: Reina, Johnson, Skrtel, Agger, Enrique, Henderson, Lucas, Adam, Downing, Kuyt, Suarez. . .Subs: Doni, Kelly, Carragher, Coates, Spearing, Maxi, Carroll
No Bellars...wouldv'e liked to seen him play but maybe he knew his head wouldn't be in the right way.
YNWA :)
I never really understand these sentiments whenever a player plays against his former team. Bellamy would have been absolutely geared up to play against City... don't see too much negative about that situation.
As for the game itself, brilliant strategy by Kenny to go with a five-man middle although it left Suarez isolated up top. Defeinsively, injury should be the only reason why Jamie Carragher makes it back into the starting XI. The quartet of Johnson, Skrtel, Agger and Enrique has been a rock the past several games, and today was no exception.
Kuyt was up and down and would have liked to see him replaced by Bellamy... the game was screaming for his pace on the right side. On the left, Downing had his best game in quite some time. Could have done better, but he did very well as is.
Reina saved our ass time after time... not as much as Hart saved Citeh though... man, what a performance. Hart has really been on his game this season, MoM performance.
Superb game by Liverpool... everything but the win really.
Post by: boss on November 27, 2011, 12:20:07 PM
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-OB8RyetOusk/Ta_5kWt3A2I/AAAAAAAACHY/3aeMKfoogkU/s1600/Lucas+Leiva+Midfielder+Liverpool+Profile.jpg)
A look at the fixture list - all very winnable matches up to Man City Away on January 3rd. Time to push on. :beermug:
Post by: boss on November 27, 2011, 12:21:16 PM
Come on boys we can do this!!!
Liverpool starting lineup: Reina, Johnson, Skrtel, Agger, Enrique, Henderson, Lucas, Adam, Downing, Kuyt, Suarez. . .Subs: Doni, Kelly, Carragher, Coates, Spearing, Maxi, Carroll
No Bellars...wouldv'e liked to seen him play but maybe he knew his head wouldn't be in the right way.
YNWA :)
I never really understand these sentiments whenever a player plays against his former team. Bellamy would have been absolutely geared up to play against City... don't see too much negative about that situation.
He was talking about Gary Speed's passing :beermug:
Post by: Bakes on November 27, 2011, 12:26:53 PM
He was talking about Gary Speed's passing :beermug:
You know that, how? Was Charlie Adam's head in the right place? Should Kenny Dalglish have given the reigns to Steve Clarke because of Dalglish's close ties to Speed? My comment was directed to the sentiments generally expressed and not specific to Feliziano, but they apply as well. If that was the reason why Bellamy didn't play then I really have no kinda patience for that thinking... unless Bellamy himself said he couldn't focus or play.
Sidenote:
Mario Balotelli... what a tun tun.
Post by: boss on November 27, 2011, 12:43:53 PM
He was talking about Gary Speed's passing :beermug:
You know that, how?
Dalglish said it in his pre-match interview :beermug:
Post by: Bakes on November 27, 2011, 01:09:05 PM
Dalglish said it in his pre-match interview :beermug:
The question was how do you know that Feliziano was talking about Speed's death. Feliziano's comments demonstrated a great deal less certainty than you imply. Besides, as I said, I have little patience for that thinking if that is in fact why Dalglish didn't use Bellamy AT ALL.
Post by: Feliziano on November 27, 2011, 01:25:52 PM
I remember when Micheal Schumacher's mother had passed away and both he and his brother still got up the Sunday and drove their cars.Dalglish said it in his pre-match interview :beermug:
The question was how do you know that Feliziano was talking about Speed's death. Feliziano's comments demonstrated a great deal less certainty than you imply. Besides, as I said, I have little patience for that thinking if that is in fact why Dalglish didn't use Bellamy AT ALL.
I applauded their professionalism, hardness and dedication etc...my wife on the other hand had a totally different view lol..she called Schumi a cold hearted bastard etc lol
These days I somehow drifting away from the 'guts and glory' mentality and kinda going 'soft' as some people would say.
With Bellamy here and we all know his character..even though he has shown signs of maturity recently..he could've easily exploded and cost us the match.
We don't know how much of an emotional wreck he was in this morning but an experienced manager like Dalglish should know his players. :beermug:
Now allyuh 2 stop the back and forth nah ;D
Post by: Bakes on November 27, 2011, 01:50:16 PM
I remember when Micheal Schumacher's mother had passed away and both he and his brother still got up the Sunday and drove their cars.
I applauded their professionalism, hardness and dedication etc...my wife on the other hand had a totally different view lol..she called Schumi a cold hearted bastard etc lol
These days I somehow drifting away from the 'guts and glory' mentality and kinda going 'soft' as some people would say.
With Bellamy here and we all know his character..even though he has shown signs of maturity recently..he could've easily exploded and cost us the match.
We don't know how much of an emotional wreck he was in this morning but an experienced manager like Dalglish should know his players. :beermug:
Now allyuh 2 stop the back and forth nah ;D
Yuh wife fuhget what Fav-ruh do to de Vikes the day after he father died or what? lol
Certainly Kenny should know his players better than I... not my point. I dunno the relationship between Bellamy and Speed, but during that flurry when Hart was pulling save after save out he rear we coulda use a man like Bellamy instead of Kuyt, who hustler that he is, lacks pace and his crossing was off. Bellamy didn't have to start, just give us 10-15 mins at the end. Again, I dunno the relationship, and I'm sure that Kenny does, but I'd be surprised if we couldn't get that much from Bellamy. My only issue (minor at that) with Boss is that he seems to be telling me what you thinking.
EDIT:
Just read this (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/nov/27/roberto-mancini-liverpool-mario-balotelli)...
Quote
The draw leaves City five points clear of Manchester United but Balotelli will be suspended from the Carling Cup quarter-final at Arsenal on Tuesday, and it was an undignified end to a day that began with Dalglish paying an emotional tribute to Gary Speed and Craig Bellamy being given compassionate leave because he was so devastated about the death of the Wales manager. "Gary was like a mentor to Bellers," Dalglish said. "I took the decision because there are more important things in life than playing a football match."otball match."
In light of that I take back everything I said... Bellamy indeed was in no shape to play today.
Post by: Feliziano on November 28, 2011, 10:09:50 PM
well yuh know me and Henderson aint no friends lol..therefore he shouldnt've started as usual lol
If we was packing the midfield from the start we might as well had gone with Spearing and Lucas with Adam more advanced..maybe next time :-\
Wish Carroll had scored though..just to give him the headlines and maybe kickstart his season
Post by: Bakes on November 28, 2011, 10:56:06 PM
No lie Bakes..after watching the game play out..we coulda really do with Bellamy down the stretch.
well yuh know me and Henderson aint no friends lol..therefore he shouldnt've started as usual lol
If we was packing the midfield from the start we might as well had gone with Spearing and Lucas with Adam more advanced..maybe next time :-\
Wish Carroll had scored though..just to give him the headlines and maybe kickstart his season
True talk... check out this Lucas compilation vid from yesterday:
http://www.youtube.com/v/9ILUr60ASak&feature=related
Recap and Player Ratings (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/958982-liverpool-fc-player-ratings-vs-manchester-city-reds-muzzle-league-leaders)
Post by: Tenorsaw on November 29, 2011, 03:54:43 PM
Post by: Bitter on November 29, 2011, 03:56:24 PM
Look like we are Chelsea's bogus team....we really distressing dem these days. Ah hope they doh knee jerk and get rid of AVB. Let him build his project.
Like everybody is Chelsea bogey team... >:(
Post by: Tenorsaw on November 29, 2011, 03:58:50 PM
Look like we are Chelsea's bogus team....we really distressing dem these days. Ah hope they doh knee jerk and get rid of AVB. Let him build his project.
Like everybody is Chelsea bogey team... >:(
Now coming to correct mey self..the word is "bogey", not "bogus". But yuh get meh drift. Something ain't right in the camp. Maybe is time to smoke out some ah dem ageing veterans. ;)
Post by: Bakes on November 29, 2011, 09:58:15 PM
Post by: Tenorsaw on December 01, 2011, 09:26:29 AM
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/lucas-out-for-the-season
Liverpool FC said today a scan had confirmed an injury to the anterior cruciate ligament in Lucas Leiva's left knee.
The Brazil international will undergo surgery and unfortunately be ruled out for the remainder of the current campaign.
Huge loss, but I expect Speaaring to fill in well. He had a very good game against City this week, and was solid last season. Shelvey has also been recalled from Blackpool, where he was ripping it up.
Post by: Bakes on December 01, 2011, 10:26:33 AM
Post by: Tenorsaw on December 01, 2011, 10:38:09 AM
Devastating news... neither of them bringing what Lucas bringing. Spearing is slow, like Lucas, but his reading of the game is where Lucas was two seasons ago... when everybody was cussing him. Shelvey isn't likely to bring much to the team... we need Lucas' defensive effort... Shelvey and Adam are redundant in what they offer.
Closest is Spearing, but as you said, he needs some time to develop. Lucas has changed gears, second part of last season and this season. He is approaching world class. We may have to buy in January window. Some men on LFC was saying maybe we should consider Coates for that position, but I don't know about that. He distributes well, but he is still adjusting to the EPL.
Post by: Feliziano on December 01, 2011, 10:49:38 AM
Hopefully he has a fast recovery and rehab before August.
Closest fit will be Spearing obviously but as everybody now he's slow...couple suggestions I have are:
Move Carragher into DM since he played there years ago, but maybe he's too slow now.
Move Agger into midfield due his composure on the ball and tactical awareness.
Move Kuyt just for the purpose of having his high energy/workrate and running down the ball.
Move Shelvey deeper..since he looks like a thug, people might be afraid of him ala Thomas Gravesen lol
Post by: Tenorsaw on December 01, 2011, 11:20:14 AM
geez..Lucas out for the season???
Hopefully he has a fast recovery and rehab before August.
Closest fit will be Spearing obviously but as everybody now he's slow...couple suggestions I have are:
Move Carragher into DM since he played there years ago, but maybe he's too slow now.
Move Agger into midfield due his composure on the ball and tactical awareness.
Move Kuyt just for the purpose of having his high energy/workrate and running down the ball.
Move Shelvey deeper..since he looks like a thug, people might be afraid of him ala Thomas Gravesen lol
I though abouit Kuyt and I mentioned Shelvey. Shelvey is sort of a utility guy. I've seen him live and he combines well, and can drop back deep too. I don't want to move Agger because the back four is finally settling in. Carragher is slow, but he would not be out on the flank, which is where he looks beat for pace, and he'd not be isolated, which is the other time that his age starts to show.
Post by: Feliziano on December 01, 2011, 11:34:06 AM
Good point about dithering with the back 4 and Shelvey is a versatile to play anywhere across the midfield..only drawback is him having to show more discipline and sit back.geez..Lucas out for the season???
Hopefully he has a fast recovery and rehab before August.
Closest fit will be Spearing obviously but as everybody now he's slow...couple suggestions I have are:
Move Carragher into DM since he played there years ago, but maybe he's too slow now.
Move Agger into midfield due his composure on the ball and tactical awareness.
Move Kuyt just for the purpose of having his high energy/workrate and running down the ball.
Move Shelvey deeper..since he looks like a thug, people might be afraid of him ala Thomas Gravesen lol
I though abouit Kuyt and I mentioned Shelvey. Shelvey is sort of a utility guy. I've seen him live and he combines well, and can drop back deep too. I don't want to move Agger because the back four is finally settling in. Carragher is slow, but he would not be out on the flank, which is where he looks beat for pace, and he'd not be isolated, which is the other time that his age starts to show.
Post by: Tenorsaw on December 01, 2011, 12:09:14 PM
Post by: dinho on December 05, 2011, 04:02:47 PM
One of those moments just give away the game to Fulham, fumbling a powder puff shot for Dempsey to score.
Wake me up when allyuh see Cech mess on himself like that.
Post by: Tenorsaw on December 05, 2011, 04:08:00 PM
Many pages ago in this thread, when men was arguing about Reina being a better keeper than Cech, i talked about him being prone to flapping and making some jokey errors..
One of those moments just give away the game to Fulham, fumbling a powder puff shot for Dempsey to score.
Wake me up when allyuh see Cech mess on himself like that.
Cech fed up mess on heself like that. Is only now that he looking a lil stable. Last season, he was still shaky. Even very good keepers make mistakes. They do so every 10-15 games. I'd say that's about the second goal I'd fault Reina with this season. That said, we need to go and buy in January. Back four is now exposed, due to Lucas injury, and the front line only blowing steam with no bullets. We not reays for no UCL with this kinda performance. We not clinical enough.
Post by: dinho on December 05, 2011, 04:26:16 PM
Many pages ago in this thread, when men was arguing about Reina being a better keeper than Cech, i talked about him being prone to flapping and making some jokey errors..
One of those moments just give away the game to Fulham, fumbling a powder puff shot for Dempsey to score.
Wake me up when allyuh see Cech mess on himself like that.
Cech fed up mess on heself like that. Is only now that he looking a lil stable. Last season, he was still shaky. Even very good keepers make mistakes. They do so every 10-15 games. I'd say that's about the second goal I'd fault Reina with this season. That said, we need to go and buy in January. Back four is now exposed, due to Lucas injury, and the front line only blowing steam with no bullets. We not reays for no UCL with this kinda performance. We not clinical enough.
So when people going to start asking the questions about Dalglish???
I mean he has a much better squad of players at his disposal than Hodgson and Benitez (in his last year) and the team just not getting the results..
I think there is a stat that shows Dalglish's record to be identical if not worse than Hodgson.
How long 'King Kenny' going to get a bly?
Post by: Daft Trini on December 05, 2011, 04:56:45 PM
Post by: Tenorsaw on December 05, 2011, 06:50:14 PM
Many pages ago in this thread, when men was arguing about Reina being a better keeper than Cech, i talked about him being prone to flapping and making some jokey errors..
One of those moments just give away the game to Fulham, fumbling a powder puff shot for Dempsey to score.
Wake me up when allyuh see Cech mess on himself like that.
Cech fed up mess on heself like that. Is only now that he looking a lil stable. Last season, he was still shaky. Even very good keepers make mistakes. They do so every 10-15 games. I'd say that's about the second goal I'd fault Reina with this season. That said, we need to go and buy in January. Back four is now exposed, due to Lucas injury, and the front line only blowing steam with no bullets. We not reays for no UCL with this kinda performance. We not clinical enough.
So when people going to start asking the questions about Dalglish???
I mean he has a much better squad of players at his disposal than Hodgson and Benitez (in his last year) and the team just not getting the results..
I think there is a stat that shows Dalglish's record to be identical if not worse than Hodgson.
How long 'King Kenny' going to get a bly?
Too early for that. The honest truth is that this squad is no where near the finished article. Like everyone else, he'll need time to build the squad. The new players are not quite settled in, and it's showing. That said, we'll need to win over the holiday season to keep close to the bunch.
Post by: Bakes on December 05, 2011, 10:24:33 PM
Many pages ago in this thread, when men was arguing about Reina being a better keeper than Cech, i talked about him being prone to flapping and making some jokey errors..
One of those moments just give away the game to Fulham, fumbling a powder puff shot for Dempsey to score.
Wake me up when allyuh see Cech mess on himself like that.
Reina fack up de vibes against Fulham, no question about that. Still doesn't make him a worse keeper than Petr Cech, not when Cech getting poison twice on near post goals against Arsenal (last time that happen to Reina was two seasons ago when Ben Haim score fuh Portsmouth). Cech do it twice in one game. Let's not even talk about the many times he let balls go past him without effort to stop them thinking they going wide... only to be saved by the post.
Post by: Bakes on December 05, 2011, 10:26:47 PM
That said, we need to go and buy in January. Back four is now exposed, due to Lucas injury, and the front line only blowing steam with no bullets. We not reays for no UCL with this kinda performance. We not clinical enough.
Back four not "exposed"... Glen Johnson just had an off night. Skrtel, Agger and Enrique ent put ah foot wrong and played very well. After all the praise and defend ah defend him Johnson let down the side tonight with his defending.
Post by: Bakes on December 05, 2011, 10:30:08 PM
So when people going to start asking the questions about Dalglish???
I mean he has a much better squad of players at his disposal than Hodgson and Benitez (in his last year) and the team just not getting the results..
I think there is a stat that shows Dalglish's record to be identical if not worse than Hodgson.
How long 'King Kenny' going to get a bly?
"not getting the results"?? Liverpool just lost for the first time in eleven games... what "not getting the results" yuh talking about? In those eleven games they haven't allowed more than one goal in any game. Tonight they had a chance to tie a club record with their seventh straight win on the road... only the second time (1968) in club history that has ever been done. They played the two Manchester squads even and beat Arsenal and Chelsea. Other than that they drop points at home to the newly-promoted squads and get crush by Spurs at White Hart. On top of that he has the squad in the semis of the Carling Cup. Not getting the results?? I think yuh confusing him with Villas-Boas.
Post by: Tenorsaw on December 18, 2011, 10:25:40 AM
Many pages ago in this thread, when men was arguing about Reina being a better keeper than Cech, i talked about him being prone to flapping and making some jokey errors..
One of those moments just give away the game to Fulham, fumbling a powder puff shot for Dempsey to score.
Wake me up when allyuh see Cech mess on himself like that.
Cech fed up mess on heself like that. Is only now that he looking a lil stable. Last season, he was still shaky. Even very good keepers make mistakes. They do so every 10-15 games. I'd say that's about the second goal I'd fault Reina with this season. That said, we need to go and buy in January. Back four is now exposed, due to Lucas injury, and the front line only blowing steam with no bullets. We not reays for no UCL with this kinda performance. We not clinical enough.
So when people going to start asking the questions about Dalglish???
I mean he has a much better squad of players at his disposal than Hodgson and Benitez (in his last year) and the team just not getting the results..
I think there is a stat that shows Dalglish's record to be identical if not worse than Hodgson.
How long 'King Kenny' going to get a bly?
Too early for that. The honest truth is that this squad is no where near the finished article. Like everyone else, he'll need time to build the squad. The new players are not quite settled in, and it's showing. That said, we'll need to win over the holiday season to keep close to the bunch.
Where Dinho? He ain't come and talk bout Cech's error that gifted Wigan the equalizer yesterday. As I said, even the good and great GKs will make an error every 10-15 games. Me ain't see him bumping he gum bout Cech better than Reina now. ;)
Post by: Mango Chow! on December 19, 2011, 05:25:47 AM
Many pages ago in this thread, when men was arguing about Reina being a better keeper than Cech, i talked about him being prone to flapping and making some jokey errors..
One of those moments just give away the game to Fulham, fumbling a powder puff shot for Dempsey to score.
Wake me up when allyuh see Cech mess on himself like that.
Cech fed up mess on heself like that. Is only now that he looking a lil stable. Last season, he was still shaky. Even very good keepers make mistakes. They do so every 10-15 games. I'd say that's about the second goal I'd fault Reina with this season. That said, we need to go and buy in January. Back four is now exposed, due to Lucas injury, and the front line only blowing steam with no bullets. We not reays for no UCL with this kinda performance. We not clinical enough.
So when people going to start asking the questions about Dalglish???
I mean he has a much better squad of players at his disposal than Hodgson and Benitez (in his last year) and the team just not getting the results..
I think there is a stat that shows Dalglish's record to be identical if not worse than Hodgson.
How long 'King Kenny' going to get a bly?
Too early for that. The honest truth is that this squad is no where near the finished article. Like everyone else, he'll need time to build the squad. The new players are not quite settled in, and it's showing. That said, we'll need to win over the holiday season to keep close to the bunch.
Where Dinho? He ain't come and talk bout Cech's error that gifted Wigan the equalizer yesterday. As I said, even the good and great GKs will make an error every 10-15 games. Me ain't see him bumping he gum bout Cech better than Reina now. ;)
Tenorsaw, ah know you is a GK, right? So I KNOW that YOU understand sometimes when a 'keeper does make an error, it could be that one of your defenders contributed to it. In other words, one o' yuh defenders fack yuh up. Go back and look at the highlights and look at Ashley Cole running at/across the ball right in front of Cech and tell me that he didn't mess him up on that. Ashley Cole was supposed to either clear the ball, or leave it for Cech to collect it, not run across him like he going and clear it 1 or 2 feet in front of him.....and leave it. That is not the same kinda "error" as reina going up uncontested fuh a cross and missin' it like I saw him do 2 weekends in a row.
Post by: Tenorsaw on December 20, 2011, 02:28:22 PM
Suarez banned for eight games
Liverpool striker Luis Suarez has been handed a lengthy ban and hefty fine after being found guilty of racially abusing Manchester United defender Patrice Evra.
Suarez, a Uruguay international, was charged by the Football Association with abusing the Manchester United defender and referring to his "ethnic origin and/or colour and/or race", faced a disciplinary hearing last week.
The FA has punished Suarez with an eight-match ban and £80,000 fine, he has 14 days to respond.
An FA statement read: "An Independent Regulatory Commission has today [Tuesday 20 December 2011] found a charge of misconduct against Luis Suarez proven, and have issued a suspension for a period of eight matches as well as fining him £40,000, pending appeal.
"On 16 November 2011, The Football Association charged Luis Suarez with misconduct contrary to FA Rule E3 in relation to the Liverpool FC versus Manchester United FC fixture on 15 October 2011. A hearing took place from 14-20 December 2011 before an Independent Regulatory Commission of The FA to consider the charge.
"The Independent Regulatory Commission announced its decision on 20 December 2011, which is as follows:
• Mr Suarez used insulting words towards Mr Evra during the match contrary to FA Rule E3(1);
• the insulting words used by Mr Suarez included a reference to Mr Evra's colour within the meaning of Rule E3(2);
• Mr Suarez shall be warned as to his future conduct, be suspended for eight matches covering all first team competitive matches and fined the sum of £40,000;
• the [penalty] is suspended pending the outcome of any appeal lodged by Mr Suarez against this decision.
"Mr Suarez has the right to appeal the decision of the Independent Regulatory Commission to an Appeal Board. An appeal must be lodged within 14 days of the date of the written reasons for the decision.
"The penalty is suspended until after the outcome of any appeal, or the time for appealing expires, or should Mr Suarez decide not to appeal. The reason for this is to ensure that the penalty does not take effect before any appeal so that Mr Suarez has an effective right of appeal."
Suarez has always denied the allegations levelled against him by Evra. Opinion has been divided on the issue with Liverpool manager Kenny Dalglish backing Suarez and Brighton manager Gus Poyet, a former Uruguay international midfielder, saying he would go to court to prove his fellow countryman was not a racist.
Fulham manager Martin Jol has also revealed he would be shocked if the charges against Suarez were proven. But United manager Sir Alex Ferguson has backed Evra and claimed Liverpool were following a specific agenda over the issue.
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Damn, we gotta buy in January. Steep fine and suspension for Suarez.
Post by: Feliziano on December 20, 2011, 02:36:17 PM
Let me see what will happen with John Terry now.
On a positive front, hopefully Andy Carroll will get an extended starting run and make use of it.
Tactics will change but I predict the floodgates shall open for the team...offensively that is ;)
Post by: MEP on December 20, 2011, 03:22:22 PM
Post by: Bakes on December 20, 2011, 03:22:43 PM
I think Evra is nothing more than a lil punk.
Let me see what will happen with John Terry now.
On a positive front, hopefully Andy Carroll will get an extended starting run and make use of it.
Tactics will change but I predict the floodgates shall open for the team...offensively that is ;)
Can't fault Evra for anything. Harsh penalty though.
Post by: Tenorsaw on December 20, 2011, 03:32:35 PM
Post by: Bakes on December 20, 2011, 04:08:47 PM
He'll probably appeal. I've asked my close friend about the use of the term "negrito" and he says it is used affectionately in many Spanish countries. Not saying that Suarez is right or anything, but it could very well be a cultural difference. Let's see what happens to Terry now.
It is... but the particular situation of Afro-Uruguayans (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/944412-luis-suarez-charged-with-racism-examining-both-sides-of-the-case) mitigates against that argument. Just because the majority anglos use the term as one of affection doesn't make it's use right, particularly when removed from that particular context (Uruguay) and employed in the racial cauldron that is England.
I know you're not making the argument... just saying.
Post by: Tenorsaw on December 20, 2011, 10:26:27 PM
He'll probably appeal. I've asked my close friend about the use of the term "negrito" and he says it is used affectionately in many Spanish countries. Not saying that Suarez is right or anything, but it could very well be a cultural difference. Let's see what happens to Terry now.
It is... but the particular situation of Afro-Uruguayans (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/944412-luis-suarez-charged-with-racism-examining-both-sides-of-the-case) mitigates against that argument. Just because the majority anglos use the term as one of affection doesn't make it's use right, particularly when removed from that particular context (Uruguay) and employed in the racial cauldron that is England.
I know you're not making the argument... just saying.
Good read...not sure what was the intent of Suarez's statement, but it may well be a socailly acceptable, but not politically correct, and somewhat condescending use of the word.
Post by: Deeks on December 20, 2011, 11:16:58 PM
Tempers flaired in that game and 'Pool had the upper hand. If what Evra say is true, I am disappointed in Suarez. But I hope the 2 can come to a compromise and settle this. Race relations in the Latin and Lusophone world is a bit different from the Anglo. Like was said in a post, what is meant as an affectionate name in Spanish and Poruguese and probably French, would be downright blasphemous in the Anglo(US/Brit) world. One drop rule don't work in Latin America as in the US.
Post by: rotatopoti3 on December 21, 2011, 02:50:31 AM
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on December 21, 2011, 04:43:22 AM
and what exactly is taking the FA so long to release Mr.Evra's fine???
fine for what? being racially abused?
Post by: JDB on December 21, 2011, 06:10:35 AM
I've asked my close friend about the use of the term "negrito" and he says it is used affectionately in many Spanish countries.
Good read...not sure what was the intent of Suarez's statement
The tribunal was very clear that Suarez was insulting Evra AND used the term referring to his colour. It kinda hard to believe that he was insulting him on one hand and then using a racial reference affectionately.
Suarez was needling Evra. His intent was to wind him up. The only cultural difference bligh that I would give Suarez was that he didn't realize it would be received this badly. I don't know if he is a racist and wouldn't label him as such, even Evra said he doesn't think he is a racist, but he was resorting to racial taunting to get one over on Evra.
Post by: Mango Chow! on December 21, 2011, 06:34:59 AM
I've asked my close friend about the use of the term "negrito" and he says it is used affectionately in many Spanish countries.Good read...not sure what was the intent of Suarez's statement
The tribunal was very clear that Suarez was insulting Evra AND used the term referring to his colour. It kinda hard to believe that he was insulting him on one hand and then using a racial reference affectionately.
Suarez was needling Evra. His intent was to wind him up. The only cultural difference bligh that I would give Suarez was that he didn't realize it would be received this badly. I don't know if he is a racist and wouldn't label him as such, even Evra said he doesn't think he is a racist, but he was resorting to racial taunting to get one over on Evra.
Suarez might have been better off not having said what he said after the incident but it's better for the game and this whole racism issue that he did. He pinned himself to a target with his comments of admission. The FA will probably reduce the ban upon his appeal. The issue between John Terry and ferdinand is a seperate issue with different circumstances and people shouldn't be expecting the same result.
Post by: Observer on December 21, 2011, 08:12:51 AM
and what exactly is taking the FA so long to release Mr.Evra's fine???
fine for what? being racially abused?
Wait how you know this? Racism is a serious issue & has no place. But I am surprised that the FA banned Suarez on no Audio, or Video evidence, unless they know something that was not published. Judging from media reports Evira admitted that Suarez called him something that his ManU team mates also call him (which I do not understand, but guessing its the South Americans team mates).
Just on a side note Evira admitted saying "your South American" to Suarez and Suarez saying to Evira "your a black man" (in Spanish), is it not the same. Could that not be interprited as racist by Mr Suarez?
Racism, ie an attack or insult directed towards someone's race, or a reference to someone's race in derogatory terms, can therefore apply to having your skin colour or ethnic origin referenced.
Now I only throwing all this out to stimulate discussion, because I know some people from the far East are insulted when called Oriental and many people from the Americas do not like to be called South American etc etc.
Post by: Bakes on December 21, 2011, 12:14:18 PM
Wait how you know this? Racism is a serious issue & has no place. But I am surprised that the FA banned Suarez on no Audio, or Video evidence, unless they know something that was not published. Judging from media reports Evira admitted that Suarez called him something that his ManU team mates also call him (which I do not understand, but guessing its the South Americans team mates).
I think they made the ruling on no visual/audio evidence because both players confirmed what was said. Remember, the issue isn't a dispute as to what was said, but rather whether it was "racist"... or just "familiar" talk by Suarez. The FA decide that familiar or not, it has no place in the English game.
As for Evra's supposed admission that his teammates also call him that, I don't think he ever admitted that... Suarez claimed that Evra's ManU teammates call him that... Evra never confirmed nor denied. Even if they did... that still wouldn't make what Suarez said right. JDB said it best... I too don't think Suarez racist, but he definitely was trying to rile Evra up, and chose the wrong words, racist intent or not.
Post by: elan on December 21, 2011, 08:57:24 PM
I've asked my close friend about the use of the term "negrito" and he says it is used affectionately in many Spanish countries.Good read...not sure what was the intent of Suarez's statement
The tribunal was very clear that Suarez was insulting Evra AND used the term referring to his colour. It kinda hard to believe that he was insulting him on one hand and then using a racial reference affectionately.
Suarez was needling Evra. His intent was to wind him up. The only cultural difference bligh that I would give Suarez was that he didn't realize it would be received this badly. I don't know if he is a racist and wouldn't label him as such, even Evra said he doesn't think he is a racist, but he was resorting to racial taunting to get one over on Evra.
Suarez might have been better off not having said what he said after the incident but it's better for the game and this whole racism issue that he did. He pinned himself to a target with his comments of admission. The FA will probably reduce the ban upon his appeal. The issue between John Terry and ferdinand is a seperate issue with different circumstances and people shouldn't be expecting the same result.
That is :bs: talk. It is the exact same. Racial abuse is racial abuse. It eh have no difference circumstances. If the FA eh ban Terry big time then once again they will show how hypocritical they are. They already appealed Rooney ban on the continent and now this, let's wait and see how they handle JT charges.
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Post by: Mango Chow! on December 22, 2011, 11:26:51 AM
I've asked my close friend about the use of the term "negrito" and he says it is used affectionately in many Spanish countries.Good read...not sure what was the intent of Suarez's statement
The tribunal was very clear that Suarez was insulting Evra AND used the term referring to his colour. It kinda hard to believe that he was insulting him on one hand and then using a racial reference affectionately.
Suarez was needling Evra. His intent was to wind him up. The only cultural difference bligh that I would give Suarez was that he didn't realize it would be received this badly. I don't know if he is a racist and wouldn't label him as such, even Evra said he doesn't think he is a racist, but he was resorting to racial taunting to get one over on Evra.
Suarez might have been better off not having said what he said after the incident but it's better for the game and this whole racism issue that he did. He pinned himself to a target with his comments of admission. The FA will probably reduce the ban upon his appeal. The issue between John Terry and ferdinand is a seperate issue with different circumstances and people shouldn't be expecting the same result.
That is :bs: talk. It is the exact same. Racial abuse is racial abuse. It eh have no difference circumstances. If the FA eh ban Terry big time then once again they will show how hypocritical they are. They already appealed Rooney ban on the continent and now this, let's wait and see how they handle JT charges.
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Ah know yuh want to live up to yuh name but calm yuh self. What I mean when I talk about circumstances being different is that Suarez admitted to saying something and tried to explain it away and incriminated himself in the process. John Terry has vehemently denied the charges and it makes the FA's burden of proof DIFFERENT from that of suarez. Even with the whole camera-angle, lip reading thing going on, unless they have winessws that confirm that JT said what he is accused of saying, this is still a harder case to prove. and possibly easier to appeal. THAT is the "difference" I am talking about, elan so so yuh could put away yuh :bs: flags. I really don't get where you think I was trying to imply that the charges against JT wouldn't fall under the "racial abuse" category.
Post by: JDB on December 23, 2011, 10:56:33 AM
Ah know yuh want to live up to yuh name but calm yuh self. What I mean when I talk about circumstances being different is that Suarez admitted to saying something and tried to explain it away and incriminated himself in the process. John Terry has vehemently denied the charges and it makes the FA's burden of proof DIFFERENT from that of suarez. Even with the whole camera-angle, lip reading thing going on, unless they have winessws that confirm that JT said what he is accused of saying, this is still a harder case to prove. and possibly easier to appeal. THAT is the "difference" I am talking about, elan so so yuh could put away yuh :bs: flags. I really don't get where you think I was trying to imply that the charges against JT wouldn't fall under the "racial abuse" category.
I think the bigger difference is that this one went to the police first as a result of a third party complaint. As a result the FA has decided to sit back and let any criminal proceeding run its course. Basically they will let the authorities do the hard work for them.
Ferdinand has been very reticent and nobody really knows what evidence he has given unlike Evra who was the onle who made the complaint.
However they are similar in that Terry has admitted to using the words in question while claiming that it was not in the context of an insult. Whereas Suarez contextual difference is cultural, Terry's is different.
Terry claims that he was saying to Ferdinand "I DIDN'T call you a black C*nt" after calling him a admitting that he called him a "blind c*nt".
All this was after Ferdinand give him talk about being a lowlife hornerman.
Now I watch a clip with him in profile and it hard to say whether he was saying "blind" or "black" but to me it is kinda incredulous that his retort to Anton was that he has blind.
The police obviously believe that there is enough for a case so we will have to see how this goes.
I find both these situations difficult to talk about. The whole thing so tribal.
Credit to Bakes because I feel he has had a fairly unbiased approach to the situation. I also resist the urge to pile on because this is not about making points for your side. However that has not been the general reaction from Liverpool fans who have been abusing Evra and the FA unfairly and with nonsensical arguments, and also United fans have been jumping on a high horse and pooh poohing the Liverpool reaction.
Post by: Bakes on December 23, 2011, 12:50:20 PM
This is the best take I've read on the situation http://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2011/12/hypocrisy-the-english-disease/
I don't agree absolutely with everything he says... but he is frank and scathing in a way only the English can... when they ready.
Post by: dinho on December 31, 2011, 11:30:21 AM
http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/Disciplinary/NewsAndFeatures/2011/~/media/Files/PDF/TheFA/Disciplinary/Written%20reasons/FA%20v%20Suarez%20Written%20Reasons%20of%20Regulatory%20Commission.ashx
Post by: Bitter on December 31, 2011, 11:42:24 AM
he basically have a whole country+ on he case now) can't be easy. And people fuhget he's still only what... 22?
A whole continent and a large part of the football viewing African diaspora was on he case last WC. He accustom by now.
Post by: kev on December 31, 2011, 01:36:09 PM
Basically came down to who they believed or didn't Suarez changed his story and what Daglish and Comoli said on teh day to teh ref didn't match what he said at the hearing. Suggesting it was changed to suit the expert possible explanations, but also took into account reactions / actions on videos.
The headline bit is according to Evra which they believed.
In the goalmouth, Mr Evra and Mr Suarez spoke to
each other in Spanish. Mr Evra asked Mr Suarez why he had kicked him, referring to the
foul five minutes previously. Mr Suarez replied "Porque tu eres negro", meaning "Because
you are black". Mr Evra then said to Mr Suarez “say it to me again, I’m going to punch
you”. Mr Suarez replied "No hablo con los negros", meaning "I don't speak to blacks". Mr
Evra continued by saying that he now thought he was going to punch Mr Suarez. Mr
Suarez replied "Dale, negro, negro, negro", which meant "okay, blackie, blackie, blackie".
More can be read here http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16375325.stm
As for the Terry incident well they can't do anything until the police case is done and dusted, but having seen the video and his mouthing and the precedent set here it would be interesting.
Unfortunately the FA isn't even handed and I dare say if Suarez had of said that to a Wigan player rather than Manu we wouldn't have the ban, Terry is even worse given who he plays for but in addition his position and England Captain. Shearer got away with kicking someone in the head a few years ago because of his england position.
Post by: Bakes on December 31, 2011, 03:36:08 PM
A whole continent and a large part of the football viewing African diaspora was on he case last WC. He accustom by now.
He didn't have to play in front of them week in week out, listen to the jeers (and God-knows-what-else) on the pitch, and read/listen to his own vilification in the press on a weekly basis. Not really comparable in my book.
For anyone interested in reading 115 pages of the FA's reasons behind Suarez' 8 match ban:
http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/Disciplinary/NewsAndFeatures/2011/~/media/Files/PDF/TheFA/Disciplinary/Written%20reasons/FA%20v%20Suarez%20Written%20Reasons%20of%20Regulatory%20Commission.ashx
Thanks for posting... frankly, having spent the past hour and a half digesting the report, it is very damning of Suarez and I repeat my initial disappointment with how LFC has responded to the verdict. At this point it will do everyone concerned a great deal of good for them to simply accept the penalty as handed down and move on. Suarez has been diminished a great deal in my mind.
Post by: Bakes on December 31, 2011, 03:40:07 PM
As for the Terry incident well they can't do anything until the police case is done and dusted, but having seen the video and his mouthing and the precedent set here it would be interesting.
The FA does not HAVE to wait until the criminal inquiry is concluded... they can proceed now if they wanted, it would just be duplicative, and perhaps counter-productive to do so now.
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Unfortunately the FA isn't even handed and I dare say if Suarez had of said that to a Wigan player rather than Manu we wouldn't have the ban, Terry is even worse given who he plays for but in addition his position and England Captain. Shearer got away with kicking someone in the head a few years ago because of his england position.
The FA was extremely even-handed in how they prosecuted the complaint about Suarez in this particular situation. He has nothing to complain about, frankly the tribalism in English football leaves many supporters incapable of discussing controversies like this in a rational matter.
Post by: kev on December 31, 2011, 03:56:45 PM
As for the Terry incident well they can't do anything until the police case is done and dusted, but having seen the video and his mouthing and the precedent set here it would be interesting.
The FA does not HAVE to wait until the criminal inquiry is concluded... they can proceed now if they wanted, it would just be duplicative, and perhaps counter-productive to do so now.QuoteUnfortunately the FA isn't even handed and I dare say if Suarez had of said that to a Wigan player rather than Manu we wouldn't have the ban, Terry is even worse given who he plays for but in addition his position and England Captain. Shearer got away with kicking someone in the head a few years ago because of his england position.
The FA was extremely even-handed in how they prosecuted the complaint about Suarez in this particular situation. He has nothing to complain about, frankly the tribalism in English football leaves many supporters incapable of discussing controversies like this in a rational matter.
They have been but thats not the point I was making, the FA favour certain clubs without doubt and given this was 2 of them then it was going to be the case, but I believe my point is valid if this had of been against Wigan, Bolton or someone down the pecking order I doubt the result would of been the same. Of course there is nothing to suggest that but history tells us that is the way it has been for some time and will continue to be.
The FA could do something but have nothing to gain by it, if they find for Terry and he is convicted they haven't got a leg to stand on, or if they convict him and he is found not guilty they have lost their excuse to find him not guilty so the FA won't do anything until the court case has been sorted. As I said it will be interesting.
Tribalism does exist all over some fans are worse than others even on here, but I must admit I found the Liverpool support for him a little over the top if bordering on the distasteful.
Post by: Bakes on December 31, 2011, 04:57:21 PM
They have been but thats not the point I was making, the FA favour certain clubs without doubt and given this was 2 of them then it was going to be the case, but I believe my point is valid if this had of been against Wigan, Bolton or someone down the pecking order I doubt the result would of been the same. Of course there is nothing to suggest that but history tells us that is the way it has been for some time and will continue to be.
I understood just fine the point you were making... your bias against the "big clubs" leads you to think that the outcome would have been different had this been an incident between two less decorated teams. As you yourself concede, you have nothing with which to support the claim, and it even flies in the face of history, given Mackie's punishment as noted earlier. Everything about the way this incident has been precedent-setting, so with all due respect, you can't point to past actions in reliance of your point that things would have been swept under the rug. They pain-stakingly made a case as to why they arrived at the result, and I have no doubt that the international focus and sheer timing of the incident played a greater role than the profiles of the clubs.
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The FA could do something but have nothing to gain by it, if they find for Terry and he is convicted they haven't got a leg to stand on, or if they convict him and he is found not guilty they have lost their excuse to find him not guilty so the FA won't do anything until the court case has been sorted. As I said it will be interesting.
Your statements betray a lack of appreciation for how the law functions, particularly with respect to the different approaches (and different burdens of proof) required for civil vs. criminal prosecutions. Each can be pursued independently and the FA would have everything to gain by it. If they found him innocent and he later vindicated in the criminal inquiry that could simply be due to the fact that he's being punished under different rules... FA regulations vs. criminal laws. Both target similar behavior but the FA's is more flexible in how the can be applied. E.g. Case in point, there was a discussion in the report as to whether the subjective or objective approach should be taken by the IRC in addressing Suarez' comments. Subjective means they take the circumstances of the individual into consideration (did he intend to racially abuse Evra?). The objective approach says that intent is immaterial, judge the conduct on it's own merit without making allowances for what was intended... aka strict liability. Every criminal statute requires some degree of intentional behavior by the actor, and yes, I'm speaking here of England as well. The only crime of strict liability that I know of is statutory rape.
If the opposite were to happen, the police inquiry exonerates him, the FA could still independently charge him and find him guilty under their rules. Different rules, different standards of proof. Criminal proof must be beyond any reasonable doubt; the FA would only have to show a preponderance of the evidence more likely than not (as opposed to beyond any reasonable doubt) that Terry did it. So again, inconsistent findings by both inquiries (FA and police) does not invalidate either one.[/quote]
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Tribalism does exist all over some fans are worse than others even on here, but I must admit I found the Liverpool support for him a little over the top if bordering on the distasteful.
I am not suggesting that tribalism is only inherent to England, rather that the intensity of tribal emotions in England (as it is throughout Europe in particular) makes it difficult for many, including you (in my honest opinion) to objectively say whether the FA acted fairly in this instance, or whether nothing would have been done had it been Wigan or Bolton.
Post by: kev on January 01, 2012, 02:14:41 AM
However I also know how the FA works and is controlled and past experience shows you how that effects decisions and punishments and the inconsistencies in their approach dependant on the culprit. As an example football fans in England of the mid / lesser teams are as cynical of the FA as many on here are of Jack Warner and thats not because of their even handedness I can assure you.
I try not to be tribal and can understand how you can see that I may be coming from that perspective, but its more to do with the average "old time" fans falling out of love with football, I like many others are fed up with the way the game has gone, plastic players, plastic fans and above all players and some clubs just thinking they are above the law. What did Liverpool have to gain by the T Shirt Stunt, I have no qualms about supporting their player, statement appeal etc., but that was just sticking the finger up to everyone and again showing "We don't give a stuff attitude". Lets not kid ourselves here this is all about not losing him for 8 matches, possibility of Champions League and the money involved, the rights and wrongs of what he did don't really come into it, its business, but football isn't a normal business. Football clubs are in an unique position and on some rare occasions need to do and be seen to do the right things rather than just what suits them, because of it.
Happy New Year anyway Bakes
Post by: Bakes on January 01, 2012, 11:09:51 AM
Bakes I do appreciate how the law works, I know that there is a big difference in the burden of proof in a criminal case rather than the "probability" that it happened in a civil court.
However I also know how the FA works and is controlled and past experience shows you how that effects decisions and punishments and the inconsistencies in their approach dependant on the culprit. As an example football fans in England of the mid / lesser teams are as cynical of the FA as many on here are of Jack Warner and thats not because of their even handedness I can assure you.
I try not to be tribal and can understand how you can see that I may be coming from that perspective, but its more to do with the average "old time" fans falling out of love with football, I like many others are fed up with the way the game has gone, plastic players, plastic fans and above all players and some clubs just thinking they are above the law. What did Liverpool have to gain by the T Shirt Stunt, I have no qualms about supporting their player, statement appeal etc., but that was just sticking the finger up to everyone and again showing "We don't give a stuff attitude". Lets not kid ourselves here this is all about not losing him for 8 matches, possibility of Champions League and the money involved, the rights and wrongs of what he did don't really come into it, its business, but football isn't a normal business. Football clubs are in an unique position and on some rare occasions need to do and be seen to do the right things rather than just what suits them, because of it.
Happy New Year anyway Bakes
Kevin it's that cynicism of the the mid-level clubs that I see reflected in many of your comments (with respect to the higher profile clubs) that I refer to as the "tribalism." But all that said, I do understand and agree with the inconsistency of the FA. I also agree with your criticism of LFC with regards to the T shirts... and I'll throw in the club's statement as well.
Happy New Year... great start for SFC today!
Post by: kev on January 02, 2012, 04:38:24 AM
Post by: boss on January 02, 2012, 09:44:13 AM
Gary Ablett passed away today aged only 46 RIP
RIP :( A massive loss to Liverpool, Everton and football in general.
Post by: Bakes on January 03, 2012, 12:42:24 PM
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/statement-from-liverpool-fc
Post by: elan on January 03, 2012, 02:13:36 PM
Post by: DeSoWa on January 03, 2012, 02:21:49 PM
;D
Big Up!
Post by: elan on January 03, 2012, 02:34:28 PM
Post by: dinho on January 03, 2012, 05:05:48 PM
(http://gif.mocksession.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/WHOOPS.gif)
;D
Big Up!
Exhibit F in the great Reina vs Cech debate..
Over to you guys.
Post by: Bakes on January 03, 2012, 06:55:34 PM
Exhibit F in the great Reina vs Cech debate..
Over to you guys.
Exhibit F as in "fail"?
The ball deflected off Agger and dipped at the last second. I suppose Reina was suppose to adjust mid-dive and get lower.
Post by: elan on January 03, 2012, 07:03:49 PM
Exhibit F in the great Reina vs Cech debate..
Over to you guys.
Exhibit F as in "fail"?
The ball deflected off Agger and dipped at the last second. I suppose Reina was suppose to adjust mid-dive and get lower.
Bakes you serious?
Post by: Bakes on January 03, 2012, 09:18:54 PM
Bakes you serious?
Why would I not be? I DVR'ed the game and just watched it, including watching the play closely over and over again... which is why I held off commenting until now.
Post by: Observer on January 05, 2012, 11:02:54 AM
http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20111223/cleisure/cleisure4.html
Post by: Bakes on January 05, 2012, 12:37:18 PM
Not sure if it was posted already Taken from the Jamaican Gleaner on the Suarez issue
http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20111223/cleisure/cleisure4.html
Idiotic... at best.
People keep focusing on "negro" and insisting that it's not offensive. Of course it isn't... not by itself. Context matters... and in the context of a heated argument any reference to race, creed, color is automatically problematic, using it as Suarez has been found to have used it, is against FA rules.
Post by: dinho on January 05, 2012, 01:48:31 PM
Perception is reality. If a grown ass man i don't know uses the term "negro" or "negrito" or "negrite" or whatever de fork he say to address me, and I interpret it as racially offensive, then it is totally on him.. No ifs, ands or buts.
I'll give an example of a situation that happened to me a couple years back at my job in NYC.
I managed the IT desk at a small company in Soho. Now I cant speak for the typical corporate work culture in NYC on the whole, but the working culture at this company and in the industry on the whole was one where colleagues were always unnecessarily effusive with the praise and compliments to colleagues, to the point of being very fake and overbearing.
Anyway.. This one evening at work, a staff colleague comes by my desk to ask if I had a blank CD to spare. As i reach below my desk to check, she starts going on about how I'm so great at my job and always on top of things, and hits me the typical "You're the best!" line as is par for the course.. But then she proceeds to say the following.. "No really.. You're a beautiful person. You're a credit to your race."
Well that line make me sit up straight. I responded, "Excuse me??"... Then she repeats it, and proceeds to explain its a line from a movie called Scoop. If I had never heard about it. I responded "No" abruptly, hand her the CD then she left.
Well i don't think anything for as long as i could remember boil my blood like that, and i'm a man slow to anger. I sit down there stewing, i was livid, i couldn't even function after that and it is first time in life i genuinely ever felt insulted about my race. Could not even stay at my desk, had to go outside for a breather, I man studying to blast the woman publicly or take ah run up in the HR office all kinda ting.
I eventually confronted her in the office, took her into a closed room and asked her to explain what her statement was supposed to mean. She explained that the line was from a movie and meant, you're a credit to your race as in the "human race", and not what I thought and wanted to carry me to google it etc. I had to explain to her that it did not matter, she needed to understand how me hearing that, not knowing the point of reference would interpret that. Meh girl nearly break down in tears, "i'm so sorry, i'm not like that, i'm not that kinda person" etc etc... I end up leaving that there.
Anyway, the bottom line is.. I did google it some days after and it is a line from a movie and it does mean what she said. No racial connotation whatsoever. But does that matter?
That whole defence Suarez and Liverpool touting about he used the term in a kinda pardna context (notwithstanding he an Evra was in confrontation and he even pinch Evra skin while saying what he said) is a heap of bullshit. I hear Dalglish in a press conference yesterday talking about Suarez wife does call him that. Oh please. Where is the line to be drawn? Any club fan could say that in his country, monkey chants is a common scene and use that as justification. It shouldn't be taken as racist.
Even if i was to go so far as to believe Suarez was using the term innocently, if as a result of his absolute ignorance someone feels racially abused by his statements then he needs to accept responsibility for that. Imagine we arguing, and part and parcel of your retort is to use the term "negro" and you want people to believe that is pardna vibes. I have Uruguyuan friends and none of them ever venture to call me that in conversation, and if they did I watching them funny. Plain talk.
Post by: FF on January 05, 2012, 03:29:52 PM
but you right on all points! especially to put de girl in she place, because she should know even in a movie, a line like that implies racial inequalities. The implication is that she is in a superior position, being of one race to judge another.
oh ho and ah next ting ah does laugh at in new york on the other end of de scale... is when somebody in a group scenario might say something that might connotate race or be slightly offensive... and everybody does get quiet and watch me! Like they waiting for me to give the Caesar thumbs up, thumbs down! :rotfl:
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Post by: Observer on January 05, 2012, 03:41:44 PM
Maybe my skin thick like Rhino for a number of reasons
Maybe I just grow up in a different time.
The amount ah name we does get call back home, even on my most recent visit. Really I have to
admit I surprise that we as peoples of Trinbago eh steups at all this.
Seriously, over Christmas we (Trinbago peoples)
dancing and singing to flicking "Chinee Palag" & "Eating Chinee Cat" over the radio ;D
Post by: Bakes on January 05, 2012, 03:54:40 PM
dinho like yuh away too long. I myself found your response over sensitive especially being a Trini ;D
Maybe my skin thick like Rhino for a number of reasons
Maybe I just grow up in a different time.
The amount ah name we does get call back home, even on my most recent visit. Really I have to
admit I surprise that we as peoples of Trinbago eh steups at all this.
Seriously, over Christmas we (Trinbago peoples)
dancing and singing to flicking "Chinee Palag" & "Eating Chinee Cat" over the radio ;D
Nah Observer... yuh cyah judge this thru Trini eyes. We don't have the history of oppression as black people as others have. This is why England have laws against this kinda thing. Besides... what you find offensive doesn't drive the discussion, nor does what I find offensive. Point of the matter Evra found it offensive. It is his right at that point to raise an inquiry. Panel agree with him.
Post by: Observer on January 05, 2012, 05:30:22 PM
dinho like yuh away too long. I myself found your response over sensitive especially being a Trini ;D
Maybe my skin thick like Rhino for a number of reasons
Maybe I just grow up in a different time.
The amount ah name we does get call back home, even on my most recent visit. Really I have to
admit I surprise that we as peoples of Trinbago eh steups at all this.
Seriously, over Christmas we (Trinbago peoples)
dancing and singing to flicking "Chinee Palag" & "Eating Chinee Cat" over the radio ;D
Nah Observer... yuh cyah judge this thru Trini eyes. We don't have the history of oppression as black people as others have. This is why England have laws against this kinda thing. Besides... what you find offensive doesn't drive the discussion, nor does what I find offensive. Point of the matter Evra found it offensive. It is his right at that point to raise an inquiry. Panel agree with him.
I know, I know, but it is the only eyes I have ;D! Its just tongue and cheek talk on my part with dinho. For me it is Evra, so i really can't take this man seriously. I have to agree with the Gleaner on Evra being creditable, because the Chelsea incident cross my mind as well.
Not that I am a fan of Suarez either, for that matter. I am eagerly awaiting the Terry verdict.
Post by: dinho on January 05, 2012, 05:53:13 PM
dinho like yuh away too long. I myself found your response over sensitive especially being a Trini ;D
Maybe my skin thick like Rhino for a number of reasons
Maybe I just grow up in a different time.
The amount ah name we does get call back home, even on my most recent visit. Really I have to
admit I surprise that we as peoples of Trinbago eh steups at all this.
Seriously, over Christmas we (Trinbago peoples)
dancing and singing to flicking "Chinee Palag" & "Eating Chinee Cat" over the radio ;D
Nah observer daiz the whole thing, is just what u say dey...
A trini could hit me that talk normal and formal.. Just like another black man could call yuh "my nigga" and is no scene..
Not some obnoxious white woman who doh even know me like that, that could never sit nice. That real outta timing.
Post by: Bakes on January 05, 2012, 09:26:45 PM
I know, I know, but it is the only eyes I have ;D! Its just tongue and cheek talk on my part with dinho. For me it is Evra, so i really can't take this man seriously. I have to agree with the Gleaner on Evra being creditable, because the Chelsea incident cross my mind as well.
Not that I am a fan of Suarez either, for that matter. I am eagerly awaiting the Terry verdict.
Everybody want to question Evra's credibility and nobody know the facts (not saying you specifically). First thing Dalglish bawl when they mention the racism in the locker room is "hasn't he done this before?" Gleaner and half dem dotish Liverpool fans, and the club self saying he have no credibility because he cry wolf. Evra never accuse anybody of racism before. It was a member of the ManU training staff who accused the Chelsea groundskeeper of racism (technically xenophobia)... it wasn't Evra. Evra get in trouble because he try to manners de man and get physical with him. Other than that, there was another incident involving a linesman, where a deaf ManU fan claims to have read the linesman lips and make out something racist. It was never Evra.
Again, not saying this to you specifically, but for me the attempts to taint Evra is the most distasteful aspect of this all. Rather than investigate to get to the bottom of things, the first thing Liverpool do is to start questioning Evra's credibility. Dai's like smearing a rape victim by saying how she like to sleep around. Is it fair to do it? Absolutely. But not because yuh could do something does that make it the right thing to do.
Post by: kev on January 06, 2012, 12:34:51 PM
Post by: Bakes on January 06, 2012, 01:47:13 PM
Steve Finnan/Liverpool (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2006/mar/01/newsstory.sport4):
"A police investigation has been launched after deaf football fans complained they had lip-read Liverpool's Steve Finnan making a racist remark towards Patrice Evra of Manchester United.
Evra, however, was unaware of any racist taunts. The Senegal-born Frenchman, a £5.5m signing from Monaco in January, has not raised any complaints although he is aware of the allegations"
Sam Bethell/Chelsea (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/3569115/Manchester-Uniteds-Patrice-Evra-banned-for-four-matches-over-Chelsea-altercation-Football.html):
"It is thought United assistant manager Mike Phelan was the man who claimed Bethell used racist language towards Evra. The suggestion of a racist element to the incident had severely strained relations between the two clubs ahead of last season’s Champions League final."
Evra, prior to now had not himself, accused anyone of racism.
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The latest chapter in the saga is that Liverpool looking to meet with Man U on a Board level to try and diffuse things... while Fergie saying he sees no need for it, especially since Liverpool choose to go thru the press rather than come to United directly with any talk of sitting down.
All that's missing now are the clowns and dancing bears...
Post by: Bitter on January 06, 2012, 02:39:56 PM
Bellamy didn't like that atall though...
Post by: triniairman on January 07, 2012, 01:00:40 AM
Reds confirm club and police are looking into incident
Last Updated: January 6, 2012 11:33pm
Liverpool and the Merseyside police are investigating alleged racist abuse of Oldham's Tom Adeyemi at Anfield on Friday night.
Adeyemi appeared to take offence to something shouted from the Kop late in the second half of the Reds' 5-1 victory in the third round of the FA Cup.
The Latics midfielder, on loan from Norwich, was reduced to tears despite reassurances from his team-mates and Liverpool duo Dirk Kuyt and Steven Gerrard.
There then appeared to be discussion between the fourth official and a police officer down by the tunnel while the match was continuing.
Liverpool announced that no arrests had been made but confirmed in a statement they are investigating the incident with the Merseyside police.
Investigation
The statement read: "An incident occurred in the second half of the match which is now being investigated by both the club and the police.
"We will continue to work closely with the police and establish the details of what actually happened and will make a further statement in due course."
A senior Liverpool official also told The Guardian: "We will do everything in our power to investigate the matter and ensure the appropriate action is taken."
The incident comes at a sensitive time for Liverpool, who have recently seen striker Luis Suarez suspended for eight matches by the Football Association for racist abuse of Manchester United defender Patrice Evra.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11669/7415743/Reds-and-police-probe-incident
Some of these Liverpool supporters making things worse for their club, if this is true. Giving the club a bad image.
Post by: kev on January 07, 2012, 03:14:40 AM
I'm afraid all clubs have fans like this, but I suppose Liverpool's stance to the Evra thing and going on as the victim has stirred up some feelings and some fans will shout and take it out on the opposition. This has really been a PR disaster for Liverpool, of their own making and it will continue to run for a while yet, because we have yet to have the comeback games for Suarez.
Bakes,
I think Liverpool really need to circle the wagons at the minute, Downing got arrested late last night in Yarm for allegedly punching an ex girlfriend, she was arrested aswell. Just drawn Manu in the FA Cup which will just add more petrol onto the fire. It the FA, Manu and Liverpool don't get a grip shortly can see it getting out of hand very quickly.
Post by: Tenorsaw on January 08, 2012, 05:20:48 PM
He was in tears, must admit seems unusual because over time and being football, drink etc. I very much doubt he hasn't had comments thrown at him before, so I wonder what was said.
I'm afraid all clubs have fans like this, but I suppose Liverpool's stance to the Evra thing and going on as the victim has stirred up some feelings and some fans will shout and take it out on the opposition. This has really been a PR disaster for Liverpool, of their own making and it will continue to run for a while yet, because we have yet to have the comeback games for Suarez.
Bakes,
I think Liverpool really need to circle the wagons at the minute, Downing got arrested late last night in Yarm for allegedly punching an ex girlfriend, she was arrested aswell. Just drawn Manu in the FA Cup which will just add more petrol onto the fire. It the FA, Manu and Liverpool don't get a grip shortly can see it getting out of hand very quickly.
Dalgish needs to haul in his squad for a team meeting and say that from here on, is zero tolerance for the rest of the season. Cyar have this kinda thing compounding an already difficult period for the club. They will need to sort out this racism thing. They are showing great proactivity in dealing with the latest allegations, so that will help, but the Suarez stigma will remain for some time to come, especially because the club gambled and backed him, only for the verdict and ensuing release and evaluation of hearing evidence to present Suarez in even worse light. Let the PR gurus go to work.
Post by: kev on January 09, 2012, 01:20:42 AM
He was in tears, must admit seems unusual because over time and being football, drink etc. I very much doubt he hasn't had comments thrown at him before, so I wonder what was said.
I'm afraid all clubs have fans like this, but I suppose Liverpool's stance to the Evra thing and going on as the victim has stirred up some feelings and some fans will shout and take it out on the opposition. This has really been a PR disaster for Liverpool, of their own making and it will continue to run for a while yet, because we have yet to have the comeback games for Suarez.
Bakes,
I think Liverpool really need to circle the wagons at the minute, Downing got arrested late last night in Yarm for allegedly punching an ex girlfriend, she was arrested aswell. Just drawn Manu in the FA Cup which will just add more petrol onto the fire. It the FA, Manu and Liverpool don't get a grip shortly can see it getting out of hand very quickly.
Dalgish needs to haul in his squad for a team meeting and say that from here on, is zero tolerance for the rest of the season. Cyar have this kinda thing compounding an already difficult period for the club. They will need to sort out this racism thing. They are showing great proactivity in dealing with the latest allegations, so that will help, but the Suarez stigma will remain for some time to come, especially because the club gambled and backed him, only for the verdict and ensuing release and evaluation of hearing evidence to present Suarez in even worse light. Let the PR gurus go to work.
Think they might want to sack the ones that have handled it so far.
If QPR get through they have drawn Chelsea so thats the Terry and Ferninand thing back in the limelight aswell.
Post by: Bakes on January 09, 2012, 08:58:41 AM
Dalglish was a personal sporting hero of mine but he has been incredibly diminished in my eyes by his immediate questioning of Evra's motives, and his continued defiance of the verdict. He insists that the public doesn't know the full story.. well, does he? Was he there? If he knows more why didn't he testify? Of course they're going just on Suarez' word, but Suarez was wrong, clear as day... as anyone with a sense of objectivity could see. There are fans still arguing that the experts were part of a fix, and that they didn't understand the nuances of Spanish, let alone "Uruguayan"... despite the clear evidence in the report explaining why these experts were qualified (their expertise in Rioplatense- Spanish spoken in the River Plate area- Suarez' dialect). How can one argue with such pig-headed ignorance? How can one ignore the obvious link between that and the club's own pig-headed obstinacy that they are right and evidence be damned, everyone else is wrong?
I still root, and will continue to root for the club... but I'd be lying if I said my support was still 100%. What I'm struggling with right now is sorting out my feelings for the club, balanced against the sheer ignorance and ugliness I'm seeing from too many of the supporters. There's a part of me that doesn't want to be associated with that, and if there are others who feel as I do, that Suarez and the club are wrong, I'm not hearing enough from them to make me feel good about calling myself a supporter.
Post by: kev on January 09, 2012, 12:14:42 PM
I wouldn't let it worry you so much tbh. I know its probably hard for some on here to appreciate what football clubs mean to some of their supporters in this country but its way up there on the list, particularly in the north. Some fans would believe black was white if the club told them it was (no pun intended). Daglish is certainly aware of this and without doubt he knows the depth of feeling between the clubs and the effect it would have on Liverpools supporters. I don't think the owners would have the same understanding of how it would work and the ill feeling it would cause, if they did I would of doubt they would of went down that path. I think Daglish has made the bed and Liverpool just have to lie in it now, can't really back track and say well we were wronged but just let it pass now lads, supporters don't work like that. This is going to drag on a while yet and suspect you will see a few more things that you will not agree with, you just simply won't find many that will agree the club and Suarez are wrong, because the club have told them they are right and just implying a conspiracy and the wronged party. For Liverpool fans its them aginst Manu, FA and everyone else and your either for the club or against it, not a lot of room in most fans eyes. Sad but thats the way it is.
Post by: Tenorsaw on January 09, 2012, 04:26:57 PM
My disappointment with the club lingers, and though it's difficult to link this incident vs. Oldfield with the Suarez incident, as Paul Wilson points out (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jan/07/race-question-liverpool-tom-adeyemi) in the Guardian today, it's difficult to imagine the situation happening had the Suarez affair not happened. It baffles me how Liverpool can continue to insist that everyone else somehow has it wrong.
Dalglish was a personal sporting hero of mine but he has been incredibly diminished in my eyes by his immediate questioning of Evra's motives, and his continued defiance of the verdict. He insists that the public doesn't know the full story.. well, does he? Was he there? If he knows more why didn't he testify? Of course they're going just on Suarez' word, but Suarez was wrong, clear as day... as anyone with a sense of objectivity could see. There are fans still arguing that the experts were part of a fix, and that they didn't understand the nuances of Spanish, let alone "Uruguayan"... despite the clear evidence in the report explaining why these experts were qualified (their expertise in Rioplatense- Spanish spoken in the River Plate area- Suarez' dialect). How can one argue with such pig-headed ignorance? How can one ignore the obvious link between that and the club's own pig-headed obstinacy that they are right and evidence be damned, everyone else is wrong?
I still root, and will continue to root for the club... but I'd be lying if I said my support was still 100%. What I'm struggling with right now is sorting out my feelings for the club, balanced against the sheer ignorance and ugliness I'm seeing from too many of the supporters. There's a part of me that doesn't want to be associated with that, and if there are others who feel as I do, that Suarez and the club are wrong, I'm not hearing enough from them to make me feel good about calling myself a supporter.
Good point, Bakes. It's like the club has regressed to the days when signing a black John Barnes was a major issue. I thought that was a closed chapter to an ugly story about LFC.
Post by: Bakes on January 10, 2012, 07:52:38 AM
Good point, Bakes. It's like the club has regressed to the days when signing a black John Barnes was a major issue. I thought that was a closed chapter to an ugly story about LFC.
What's truly sad is that the club has a legitimate legacy for campaigning against racism and promoting equality on the field. They've squandered that entire legacy in effort to throw their arms around a player with a very questionable track record.
Post by: mukumsplau on January 17, 2012, 05:53:39 PM
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Adidas AG (ADS) declined to renew its apparel deal with Liverpool because the price was too high given the 18-time English soccer champion’s poor performance, the chief executive officer of the world’s second-biggest sporting goods maker said.
Liverpool, which is also a five-time European champion, has replaced Adidas with a club record, 6-year, 25 million pound ($38.3 million) contract with Warrior Sports, a subsidiary of New Balance Athletic Shoe Inc. The accord, Warrior’s first major soccer contract, begins next season and is worth almost double the current agreement with Adidas.
Liverpool has struggled to recapture glories that made it England’s dominant team during the 1970s and 80s. It hasn’t won a league championship since 1990 and last season was overtaken by Manchester United as the holder of the most titles. Liverpool didn’t make the Champions League, Europe’s top club competition, this season and is seventh in the Premier League, 13 points behind leader Manchester City.
“The gap between their performance on the field and what the number should be is not in balance,” Adidas CEO Herbert Hainer said in an interview in Munich yesterday. “Then we said, ‘Okay we will not do it. That’s the end of the story.’” Liverpool didn’t respond.
The team’s lack of success hasn’t stopped it signing other commercial agreements. London-based bank Standard Chartered (STAN) is paying a record 81.5 million pounds to have its logo displayed on its jerseys for four years and the team’s sales department has also signed new sponsors like Turkish tourism.
Benefits?
The contract with Warrior may benefit the team further because it allows Liverpool to retain control over all merchandise not related to the clothing the team wears, something that it had ceded to Adidas. Still, it will no longer be able to rely on the company’s vast global supply chain.
“It all depends on the success and the effort and the popularity, the exposure on TV, revenue you can generate by merchandising,” Hainer said. “This all has to be brought in line between what you offer and what you get. We thought their asking and the delivering is not in the right balance.”
Adidas faces a big year ahead as the main partner to the two biggest sports events taking place: soccer’s European Championship and the London Olympic Games.
Hainer said from a commercial point of view the soccer event will be a bigger boost, while the Olympics is the biggest platform the company has to show its commitment to sports. The company enjoyed record 1.5 billion euro ($1.9 billion) in sales in 2010 because of the soccer World Cup in South Africa. The CEO said it will do even better this year.
“We will definitely beat the 1.5 billion euro revenue target in 2012: there’s no doubt for me,” said Hainer.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-16/liverpool-s-on-field-performance-didn-t-warrant-price-adidas-head-says.html (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-16/liverpool-s-on-field-performance-didn-t-warrant-price-adidas-head-says.html)
Post by: boss on January 18, 2012, 04:21:24 PM
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/19149
and there needs to be 100k signatures by midnight tomorrow for the Attorney General to look at the case again. I think you'll agree that this has nothing to do with the team you support, and everything to do with a mother trying to find out the circumstances around the death of her 15yr old son.
You can also read more here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/you/article-1073369/Hillsborough-victims-mother-Anne-Williams-Its-gone-long-I-want-Sorry.html
Thank you :beermug:
Post by: kaliman2006 on January 18, 2012, 09:05:01 PM
My disappointment with the club lingers, and though it's difficult to link this incident vs. Oldfield with the Suarez incident, as Paul Wilson points out (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jan/07/race-question-liverpool-tom-adeyemi) in the Guardian today, it's difficult to imagine the situation happening had the Suarez affair not happened. It baffles me how Liverpool can continue to insist that everyone else somehow has it wrong.
Dalglish was a personal sporting hero of mine but he has been incredibly diminished in my eyes by his immediate questioning of Evra's motives, and his continued defiance of the verdict. He insists that the public doesn't know the full story.. well, does he? Was he there? If he knows more why didn't he testify? Of course they're going just on Suarez' word, but Suarez was wrong, clear as day... as anyone with a sense of objectivity could see. There are fans still arguing that the experts were part of a fix, and that they didn't understand the nuances of Spanish, let alone "Uruguayan"... despite the clear evidence in the report explaining why these experts were qualified (their expertise in Rioplatense- Spanish spoken in the River Plate area- Suarez' dialect). How can one argue with such pig-headed ignorance? How can one ignore the obvious link between that and the club's own pig-headed obstinacy that they are right and evidence be damned, everyone else is wrong?
I still root, and will continue to root for the club... but I'd be lying if I said my support was still 100%. What I'm struggling with right now is sorting out my feelings for the club, balanced against the sheer ignorance and ugliness I'm seeing from too many of the supporters. There's a part of me that doesn't want to be associated with that, and if there are others who feel as I do, that Suarez and the club are wrong, I'm not hearing enough from them to make me feel good about calling myself a supporter.
Completely agree with everything you have said in this post. The way that the club management has handled Evra's allegations against Suarez has been abysmal from start to finish. First off, Kenny Dalglish, along with the rest of the management, should have adopted a more temperate and measured response to the allegations. Since it essentially started off as a case of one player's word against another's, it was always going to be very risky for Dalglish and the Liverpool hierarchy to throw their entire support behind Suarez until all the facts of the case came out. What would have made more sense is for the club to issue a statement along the lines of "We at Liverpool FC have a zero tolerance for any racism from our players and fans and will await the outcome of the FA investigation." That should have been the official policy all along. I understand that Dalglish feels that he has to back his player, but he really should understand the broader implications of any rash public statements. As one who respects him highly, I am also very disappointed in Kenny Dalglish. But then again this proves that he is a flawed human being like everyone else.
Post by: Bitter on January 21, 2012, 07:56:44 PM
Post by: Bakes on January 21, 2012, 09:11:25 PM
I find this thread suspiciously quiet. What happen? Carroll didn't excite you with his slick moves?
Carroll created the only goal we scored today. He also sent Bellamy thru on a 1-v-1 with the keeper (identical to the goal scored) only to have the assistant incorrectly whistle the play offside. Liverpool had many issues on the day, Andy Carroll was not one of them. How come yuh wasn't posting in the Chelsea thread earlier though? Fernando Torres didn't excite with his clinical finishing ability?
Post by: Bitter on January 21, 2012, 09:20:40 PM
I find this thread suspiciously quiet. What happen? Carroll didn't excite you with his slick moves?
Carroll created the only goal we scored today. He also sent Bellamy thru on a 1-v-1 with the keeper (identical to the goal scored) only to have the assistant incorrectly whistle the play offside. Liverpool had many issues on the day, Andy Carroll was not one of them. How come yuh wasn't posting in the Chelsea thread earlier though? Fernando Torres didn't excite with his clinical finishing ability?
We get a point. I thankful for small favours, plus, I ent see the game, I was beating the rush @ the barber shop. I cyah convince them fellas to tune to EPL for nothing.
Post by: Bakes on January 21, 2012, 09:44:01 PM
We get a point. I thankful for small favours, plus, I ent see the game, I was beating the rush @ the barber shop. I cyah convince them fellas to tune to EPL for nothing.
Getting ah point doh make your glass house impervious to big stone ;)
Post by: Bitter on January 21, 2012, 09:57:55 PM
We get a point. I thankful for small favours, plus, I ent see the game, I was beating the rush @ the barber shop. I cyah convince them fellas to tune to EPL for nothing.
Getting ah point doh make your glass house impervious to big stone ;)
As a long-time T&T and Windies supporter, I know the time to pelt stones is now, b/c yuh never sure if you have anything to pelt at tomorrow. ;D
Post by: Bakes on January 22, 2012, 02:05:53 AM
As a long-time T&T and Windies supporter, I know the time to pelt stones is now, b/c yuh never sure if you have anything to pelt at tomorrow. ;D
LOL.... well all de glass in de Liverpool house almost done mash up, so pretty soon we could start pelting indiscriminately as well :-[
Post by: Bakes on January 25, 2012, 07:35:25 PM
Post by: Bitter on January 25, 2012, 09:13:20 PM
That was a real soft penalty.
Post by: Bakes on January 25, 2012, 09:28:11 PM
Howard Webb see a side playing in red and figure it was Man U?
That was a real soft penalty.
Webb officiated the Cardiff v.Crystal Palace game... Phil Dowd did the Liverpool v. City game. I highlighted that same handball call in my comments about inconsistent officiating. Tell me which part ah dat was "intentional".
Post by: Bitter on January 25, 2012, 09:32:01 PM
Howard Webb see a side playing in red and figure it was Man U?
That was a real soft penalty.
Webb officiated the Cardiff v.Crystal Palace game... Phil Dowd did the Liverpool v. City game. I highlighted that same handball call in my comments about inconsistent officiating. Tell me which part ah dat was "intentional".
True was Dowd. I get bazodee when I see the call.
I presume you were talking to your partners in the bar when you were highlighting that same handball... ::)
Dat eh nutten, game done, take win!
Post by: Bakes on January 26, 2012, 08:55:03 AM
True was Dowd. I get bazodee when I see the call.
I presume you were talking to your partners in the bar when you were highlighting that same handball... ::)
Dat eh nutten, game done, take win!
You should assume nothing, especially since it have nutten to do with anything I was talking about. Instead ah rolling yuh eyes try opening them instead, yuh might actually read what is written that way. In the thread discussing the inconsistent officiating regarding the Kompany and Johnson tackles, I pointed to the way handballs are called as another example of inconsistent. The rule states that handballs must be intentional for there to be an infraction. To me there was no intent by Richards to handle the ball therefore it should not have been given as a penalty.
Post by: dinho on January 26, 2012, 01:17:18 PM
Howard Webb see a side playing in red and figure it was Man U?
That was a real soft penalty.
I doh find is a soft penalty at all..
As a defender when you diving to intercept shots in the box, you not supposed to be diving with arms flailing.. Arms supposed to be at the side, which is what i think the ref was trying to illustrate after the call. Richards was at fault for that.
John Terry as an example is very good at this, locks his arms to his side before throwing frame to intercept.
Post by: Mango Chow! on January 27, 2012, 03:57:09 AM
Howard Webb see a side playing in red and figure it was Man U?
That was a real soft penalty.
I doh find is a soft penalty at all..
As a defender when you diving to intercept shots in the box, you not supposed to be diving with arms flailing.. Arms supposed to be at the side, which is what i think the ref was trying to illustrate after the call. Richards was at fault for that.
John Terry as an example is very good at this, locks his arms to his side before throwing frame to intercept.
I have to disagree with you, boss, this penalty was very harsh. First off the ball deflected off Richards' foot and onto his hand or arm and that right there warranted better judgment by the referee. There is no better case of ball-to-hand than that. Also, it hit his left arm that was right up against his body as opposed to the right one that was reaching out.....and I've also seen JT make the same move. What you are talking about is when JT is standing frimly on his feet and is in a better/more natural position to put his arms behind his back.....cyah see how Richards (or even John Terry) woulda been able to do that the way he was sliding in to block that shot.
Post by: dinho on January 27, 2012, 10:03:01 AM
Howard Webb see a side playing in red and figure it was Man U?
That was a real soft penalty.
I doh find is a soft penalty at all..
As a defender when you diving to intercept shots in the box, you not supposed to be diving with arms flailing.. Arms supposed to be at the side, which is what i think the ref was trying to illustrate after the call. Richards was at fault for that.
John Terry as an example is very good at this, locks his arms to his side before throwing frame to intercept.
I have to disagree with you, boss, this penalty was very harsh. First off the ball deflected off Richards' foot and onto his hand or arm and that right there warranted better judgment by the referee. There is no better case of ball-to-hand than that. Also, it hit his left arm that was right up against his body as opposed to the right one that was reaching out.....and I've also seen JT make the same move. What you are talking about is when JT is standing frimly on his feet and is in a better/more natural position to put his arms behind his back.....cyah see how Richards (or even John Terry) woulda been able to do that the way he was sliding in to block that shot.
Ok, looked at the highlight again and i actually thought the ball hit his flailing right hand..
Have to admit penalty does look harsh looking at the replay again, but consider what the ref sees in real time. Richards diving in arms out and a sure goal being blocked by his arm.
Post by: Tenorsaw on January 28, 2012, 08:57:38 AM
Post by: kev on January 28, 2012, 09:04:29 AM
True was Dowd. I get bazodee when I see the call.
I presume you were talking to your partners in the bar when you were highlighting that same handball... ::)
Dat eh nutten, game done, take win!
You should assume nothing, especially since it have nutten to do with anything I was talking about. Instead ah rolling yuh eyes try opening them instead, yuh might actually read what is written that way. In the thread discussing the inconsistent officiating regarding the Kompany and Johnson tackles, I pointed to the way handballs are called as another example of inconsistent. The rule states that handballs must be intentional for there to be an infraction. To me there was no intent by Richards to handle the ball therefore it should not have been given as a penalty.
Never thought it was a penalty.
Interesting one today though, 2 footed tackle by Maxi, ref Halsey, goes towards his pocket, seems to see the sub board and changes his mind. Given whats been said this week, it appears that refs have been told to send off all two footed tackles. Interesting as to why he appears to change his mind.
Post by: Reaper2004 on January 28, 2012, 09:09:42 AM
Post by: Bakes on January 28, 2012, 12:42:00 PM
Fellas, wake up this thread. Ah know we don't want to be seen as a cup team, but this is good payback for last year's loss at Old Trafford due to non-penalty. Dalgish look like ah genius with dem subs. Carroll had a much better 2nd half. Good flick on to Kuyt. Carragher cyar displace dem center backs - they solid. Agger is ah boss on de ball, and seems to have been given free reign to venture forward.
Doh worry I not ashamed, trophy is trophy. Dalglish look like a genius only because he do shit with that starting XI. Carroll played hard all game, happy for the yute that he had a chance to make an impact... and thrilled for Kuyt.
Post by: Bakes on January 28, 2012, 12:46:41 PM
Never thought it was a penalty.
Interesting one today though, 2 footed tackle by Maxi, ref Halsey, goes towards his pocket, seems to see the sub board and changes his mind. Given whats been said this week, it appears that refs have been told to send off all two footed tackles. Interesting as to why he appears to change his mind.
Kev I saw that, he started reaching for his right pocket. Not sure which color card it would have been though. Maxi had two terrible near tackles. The lunge at Valencia from behind on the shot that hit the post was another.
Post by: kev on January 28, 2012, 01:16:25 PM
Post by: Bakes on January 28, 2012, 10:01:25 PM
Bakes, Not sure myself but he books someone shortly after if I get a chance to see it again, I will keep an eye out which pocket it comes out of, I'm fairly sure that refs keep different colours in different pockets so don't get mixed up, maybe if there is a ref on the board they could confirm.
From what I noticed in the past they normally keep the yellow in the shirt pocket and the red end either the back pocket or side pants pocket. The thing with Halsey today is that he kept the yellow and his pants pocket as well.
Post by: Trini Madness on January 30, 2012, 09:36:18 PM
Submitted by tribalfootball.com on Mon, 02/21/2011 - 02:42
Liverpool are set to play at Fenway Park - which could also see the Boston Redsox play an exhibition game in England.
NESN.com reports Boston's ownership group continues to explore more ways to expand the appeal of their organizations.
President and CEO Larry Lucchino said Saturday that he would like to have Liverpool, the English Barclays Premier League team purchased by the Sox' owners in the fall, to play a friendly match in Fenway by "next summer." That would follow up the match between Celtic FC of the Scottish Premier League and Sporting Clube de Portugal last July.
Also, the owners are wrapping their arms around the idea of sending their baseball team over the pond.
"If baseball wants to invite the Red Sox to play internationally, we're open to that," Lucchino said.
The Sox last played out of the country in 2008, when they opened the regular season with three games in the Tokyo Dome against Oakland.
Who in the tri-state area making this trip to boston if it were to happen? i'm definitely down to go!!
Post by: Bakes on January 31, 2012, 12:10:29 AM
Post by: de_redman on February 11, 2012, 06:51:12 AM
Post by: Bitter on February 11, 2012, 06:56:39 AM
Post by: Bakes on February 11, 2012, 07:54:06 AM
Suarez is an a$$hole! Liverpool are fools to be supporting this idiot!!!
Have to agree. Karma is a bitch... 2-0 Rooney.
Post by: Tenorsaw on February 11, 2012, 08:08:08 AM
Post by: dinho on February 11, 2012, 08:30:56 AM
Post by: Bakes on February 11, 2012, 08:51:14 AM
We should sell Suarez in the summer. That said, Downing is a shadow of himself. 20 mil pounds down de drain. We missing Lucas; that is obvious. Enriques struggling for pace vs Valencia. Not sure Dalgish got the 1st 11 right.
Dred, I can't root for Suarez again... his behavior is deplorable. Supposedly Evra tried to talk to him in the tunnel and there was some kinda confrontation. Evra has been the bigger man through all of this, much bigger than Suarez, and much bigger than Dalglish. Dalglish revived the issue this week by saying Suarez should never have been suspended, then strangely talking about "drawing a line" under the incident... how, by you reviving it??
Then he say that he's confident that Suarez will shake Evra's hand... how did that turn out? What does it say about your leadership when you support a player so vigorously and then he makes a liar of you and the support you've given him? All Suarez prove by refusing to shake Evra's hand is that he's every bit the prick other fans have been calling him.
Kenny is quickly proving that he's not the man for the job. Absolutely right that he didn't get the lineup right. Suarez alone up front without support in favor of an additional mid in Spearing? I guarantee you United like how that turn out better.
Post by: 100% Barataria on February 11, 2012, 08:58:04 AM
Suarez is a cnut.
ditto
Post by: kev on February 11, 2012, 02:32:01 PM
I think someone at the club has to get a grip of this and say enough is enough, whether thats the owners or Chief Exec but the nonsense needs to stop. Even the PFA have not really supported Suarez this week as much, I think it will be less after today.
Can't understand what Liverpool, Daglish & Suarez are expecting to gain by any of this. He lost one sponsor this week, expect to lose a couple more shortly.
Post by: Bakes on February 11, 2012, 05:39:33 PM
Bakes, I agree with you, Suarez could of easily been sent off through the week and would of saved all this bother today. Daglish isn't seeing anything, and his "Shouldn't of been banned" comment was ill advised to say the least, refused to answer questions on prematch conference and only let in TV camera's. Liverpool have been most neutrels favourites to win a game like today, but many have turned against them and even prefer Manu to win, takes some doing.
I think someone at the club has to get a grip of this and say enough is enough, whether thats the owners or Chief Exec but the nonsense needs to stop. Even the PFA have not really supported Suarez this week as much, I think it will be less after today.
Can't understand what Liverpool, Daglish & Suarez are expecting to gain by any of this. He lost one sponsor this week, expect to lose a couple more shortly.
Well said Kev. About the only thing I can say in Suarez' favor is that some are arguing that Evra refused to offer his hand at first, and video seems to support that to an extent.
http://www.youtube.com/v/80Oed8OT4vw
Post by: Cantona007 on February 12, 2012, 08:13:19 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/n4_Im6kq7uY&feature=player_embedded
Post by: Cantona007 on February 12, 2012, 08:28:16 AM
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/luis-suarez-i-m-sorry (http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/luis-suarez-i-m-sorry)
Liverpool striker Luis Suarez has today issued the following apology:
"I have spoken with the Manager since the game at Old Trafford and I realise I got things wrong.
"I've not only let him down, but also the Club and what it stands for and I'm sorry. I made a mistake and I regret what happened.
"I should have shaken Patrice Evra's hand before the game and I want to apologise for my actions.
"I would like to put this whole issue behind me and concentrate on playing football."
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And a word from the Managing Director:
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/ian-ayre-luis-was-wrong (http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/ian-ayre-luis-was-wrong)
Liverpool Managing Director Ian Ayre has today released the following statement.
"We are extremely disappointed Luis Suarez did not shake hands with Patrice Evra before yesterday's game. The player had told us beforehand that he would, but then chose not to do so.
"He was wrong to mislead us and wrong not to offer his hand to Patrice Evra. He has not only let himself down, but also Kenny Dalglish, his teammates and the Club. It has been made absolutely clear to Luis Suarez that his behaviour was not acceptable.
"Luis Suarez has now apologised for his actions which was the right thing to do. However, all of us have a duty to behave in a responsible manner and we hope that he now understands what is expected of anyone representing Liverpool Football Club."
Post by: Observer on February 12, 2012, 08:42:31 AM
Bakes, I agree with you, Suarez could of easily been sent off through the week and would of saved all this bother today. Daglish isn't seeing anything, and his "Shouldn't of been banned" comment was ill advised to say the least, refused to answer questions on prematch conference and only let in TV camera's. Liverpool have been most neutrels favourites to win a game like today, but many have turned against them and even prefer Manu to win, takes some doing.
I think someone at the club has to get a grip of this and say enough is enough, whether thats the owners or Chief Exec but the nonsense needs to stop. Even the PFA have not really supported Suarez this week as much, I think it will be less after today.
Can't understand what Liverpool, Daglish & Suarez are expecting to gain by any of this. He lost one sponsor this week, expect to lose a couple more shortly.
Well said Kev. About the only thing I can say in Suarez' favor is that some are arguing that Evra refused to offer his hand at first, and video seems to support that to an extent.
http://www.youtube.com/v/80Oed8OT4vw
The video does look that way especially in slow motion. Regardless, if Suarez wanted to put everything behind him he should have stood there and let Evra make a move. Suarez really have no class!
PS: How come the League did away with the hand shake thing for Chelski vs QPR, but allowed the ritual for this game?
Post by: ckhan on February 12, 2012, 08:44:10 AM
Post by: Cantona007 on February 12, 2012, 09:00:40 AM
Bakes, I agree with you, Suarez could of easily been sent off through the week and would of saved all this bother today. Daglish isn't seeing anything, and his "Shouldn't of been banned" comment was ill advised to say the least, refused to answer questions on prematch conference and only let in TV camera's. Liverpool have been most neutrels favourites to win a game like today, but many have turned against them and even prefer Manu to win, takes some doing.
I think someone at the club has to get a grip of this and say enough is enough, whether thats the owners or Chief Exec but the nonsense needs to stop. Even the PFA have not really supported Suarez this week as much, I think it will be less after today.
Can't understand what Liverpool, Daglish & Suarez are expecting to gain by any of this. He lost one sponsor this week, expect to lose a couple more shortly.
Well said Kev. About the only thing I can say in Suarez' favor is that some are arguing that Evra refused to offer his hand at first, and video seems to support that to an extent.
http://www.youtube.com/v/80Oed8OT4vw
The video does look that way especially in slow motion. Regardless, if Suarez wanted to put everything behind him he should have stood there and let Evra make a move. Suarez really have no class!
PS: How come the League did away with the hand shake thing for Chelski vs QPR, but allowed the ritual for this game?
Maybe because for the QPR game there was the question of whether the players would shake hands. For this game, everything leading up to the game suggested that there would be no such problems.
Post by: Peong on February 12, 2012, 09:05:20 AM
I like how as Suarez approached Evra the ref was watching like a hawk and moved in quickly to stop Evra from doing anything embarrassing.
Evra almost kill Rio tryin to tackle Suarez.
On the QPR game, looks like when the offender is English the FA will go to great lengths to save face.
Post by: kev on February 12, 2012, 09:12:35 AM
Bakes, I agree with you, Suarez could of easily been sent off through the week and would of saved all this bother today. Daglish isn't seeing anything, and his "Shouldn't of been banned" comment was ill advised to say the least, refused to answer questions on prematch conference and only let in TV camera's. Liverpool have been most neutrels favourites to win a game like today, but many have turned against them and even prefer Manu to win, takes some doing.
I think someone at the club has to get a grip of this and say enough is enough, whether thats the owners or Chief Exec but the nonsense needs to stop. Even the PFA have not really supported Suarez this week as much, I think it will be less after today.
Can't understand what Liverpool, Daglish & Suarez are expecting to gain by any of this. He lost one sponsor this week, expect to lose a couple more shortly.
Well said Kev. About the only thing I can say in Suarez' favor is that some are arguing that Evra refused to offer his hand at first, and video seems to support that to an extent.
http://www.youtube.com/v/80Oed8OT4vw
The video does look that way especially in slow motion. Regardless, if Suarez wanted to put everything behind him he should have stood there and let Evra make a move. Suarez really have no class!
PS: How come the League did away with the hand shake thing for Chelski vs QPR, but allowed the ritual for this game?
Maybe because for the QPR game there was the question of whether the players would shake hands. For this game, everything leading up to the game suggested that there would be no such problems.
I don't know and we will probably never get to know, but I suspect from the statements from Liverpool & Suarez the FA & Prem had expected the handshake to take place and probably checked with the clubs, so it went ahead. I would be amazed if there wasn't any talks before it. I suspect in the QPR case the handshake wasn't going to happen and they dodged the hassle / publicity it would cause.
It may appear Liverpool senior management have finally stepped in to try and put this to bed, a little late in the day and its down to damage limitation now.
Post by: Observer on February 12, 2012, 09:27:03 AM
Can't see how some Liverpool fans are using this photo to defend Suarez. Saying that Evra is the one who did not accept his hand immediately.
(http://i.imgur.com/i2unl.jpg)
Post by: giggsy11 on February 12, 2012, 09:58:18 AM
John Barnes and Kevin Keegan. Incredible really.
http://www.youtube.com/v/n4_Im6kq7uY&feature=player_embedded
Barnes sounded like he and Dogleash drink the same kool aid. If Suarez didn't want to shake hands he should have told his manager that, so if Liverpool wanted to avoid this type of negative backlash then they should have started him on the bench. He was useless anyway up until he scored.
Post by: Cantona007 on February 12, 2012, 10:05:50 AM
Anyway, now Kenny Dalglish has apologised:
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/print?id=1021098&type=story (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/print?id=1021098&type=story)
Liverpool striker Luis Suarez and manager Kenny Dalglish have both apologised for their actions in the wake of Saturday's game against Manchester United.
Luis Suarez: "I got things wrong" (GettyImages)
Dalglish has moved to condemn Suarez after reviewing the footage of the incident. And he was forced to make an apology of his own for not conducting himself "in a way befitting of a Liverpool manager" during a television interview after the match.
Liverpool's managing director, Ian Ayre, also strongly condemned the player's actions which led to a heated atmosphere throughout the match.
In a statement on the club's official website, Suarez said: "I have spoken with the manager since the game at Old Trafford and I realise I got things wrong.
"I've not only let him down, but also the club and what it stands for and I'm sorry. I made a mistake and I regret what happened.
"I should have shaken Patrice Evra's hand before the game and I want to apologise for my actions. I would like to put this whole issue behind me and concentrate on playing football."
Ayre criticised Suarez for failing to shake his opponent's hand. He added: "We are extremely disappointed Luis Suarez did not shake hands with Patrice Evra before yesterday's game. The player had told us beforehand that he would, but then chose not to do so.
"He was wrong to mislead us and wrong not to offer his hand to Patrice Evra. He has not only let himself down, but also Kenny Dalglish, his teammates and the club. It has been made absolutely clear to Luis Suarez that his behaviour was not acceptable.
"Luis Suarez has now apologised for his actions which was the right thing to do. However, all of us have a duty to behave in a responsible manner and we hope that he now understands what is expected of anyone representing Liverpool Football Club."
Boss Kenny Dalglish then came out to join Ayre in berating the Uruguay international.
"Ian Ayre has made the club's position absolutely clear and it is right that Luis Suarez has now apologised for what happened at Old Trafford," Dalglish said. "To be honest, I was shocked to hear that the player had not shaken hands having been told earlier in the week that he would do.
"But as Ian said earlier, all of us have a responsibility to represent this club in a fit and proper manner and that applies equally to me as Liverpool manager.
"When I went on TV after yesterday's game I hadn't seen what had happened, but I did not conduct myself in a way befitting of a Liverpool manager during that interview and I'd like to apologise for that."
It follows a negative reaction in the USA to the latest incident. The New York Times said Liverpool's Boston-based owners, Fenway Sports Group, need to act in order to 'repair the club's global image'.
Leading with the headline "Another Ugly Incident Mars Liverpool's Good Name'', the Times wrote: "If the Fenway Sports Group is to be the responsible team owner in soccer that it has proved to be in baseball, it needs to get hold of Liverpool, its club in England's Premier League, and repair its global image fast.
"On Saturday, Liverpool lost at Manchester United, 2-1, allowing United to temporarily move into first place in the Premier League. There is no disgrace in such a loss; United, the defending English champion, is vying to keep that title this season, and it very rarely loses at home.
"But there was disgrace, witnessed by television viewers around the world, in the refusal of Liverpool's Luis Suarez to shake the hand of United's Patrice Evra before kick-off.''
The article concluded by saying: "It is time for John Henry and Tom Werner, leaders of the Fenway Group that controls Liverpool, to state clearly the direction the team will take on this issue.''
Uruguayan newspaper El Pais wrote: "Suarez was among the final players in the team. And the awaited moment arrived and created tension for several seconds. Without hesitation, Suarez avoided the hand of Evra and did not greet him."
Post by: Observer on February 12, 2012, 10:13:09 AM
John Barnes and Kevin Keegan. Incredible really.
http://www.youtube.com/v/n4_Im6kq7uY&feature=player_embedded
Barnes sounded like he and Dogleash drink the same kool aid. If Suarez didn't want to shake hands he should have told his manager that, so if Liverpool wanted to avoid this type of negative backlash then they should have started him on the bench. He was useless anyway up until he scored.
I thought John Barnes spoke very well.
Post by: giggsy11 on February 12, 2012, 10:24:17 AM
John Barnes and Kevin Keegan. Incredible really.
http://www.youtube.com/v/n4_Im6kq7uY&feature=player_embedded
Barnes sounded like he and Dogleash drink the same kool aid. If Suarez didn't want to shake hands he should have told his manager that, so if Liverpool wanted to avoid this type of negative backlash then they should have started him on the bench. He was useless anyway up until he scored.
I thought John Barnes spoke very well.
He lost me at the end when he shared that he felt that they were making a big deal about Saurez not shaking hands and there are more important things to worry about.
Post by: Cantona007 on February 12, 2012, 10:57:52 AM
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2012/Feb/manchester-united-statement-on-liverpool-apology.aspx (http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2012/Feb/manchester-united-statement-on-liverpool-apology.aspx)
Post by: kev on February 12, 2012, 11:13:05 AM
Liverpool and Daglish have handled this very badly, continued even this week saying he shouldn't of been banned etc.
It appears from today that the owners have finally got involved and it looks like the management of this situation has moved from UK to US, which can only be a good thing.
The match would of been watched all over the world and the background to the incident brought up to explain the situation again dragging Liverpool into the "racist" argument. The fact it made the NY Times sports pages says it all really, the owners would of had sponsors, reputation and money in their minds and needed to step in, what I find hard to understand is that it took yesterday to make them do it.
Suarez is obviously a loose canon and if he had of just said he wasn't going to do it in the first place then all of this would of been avoided. I doubt very much that he will be playing in England next season.
The good news is I suspect the owners have finally grasped the nettle and will put an absolute stop to dragging this on anymore and will ensure Liverpool keep making the "right" noises or at least stop digging themselves a deeper hole.
Post by: ckhan on February 12, 2012, 12:42:47 PM
Post by: ckhan on February 12, 2012, 12:43:56 PM
Post by: Feliziano on February 12, 2012, 08:33:03 PM
What if it actually showed Evra's hand position as finally coming up as Suarez passed by him?
Imo, Evra is the one who wanted to make a scene, look at him pointing out to the cameras he didn't get his handshake..steups
Liverpool shoulda realized they were fighting a losing battle from the start and just cut their losses.
Those apologies were very hollow and had no true feelings in them.
The guy just came to do his job and you could see his soul is tormented.
Personally if I was in Suarez position I wouldnt've shook Evra's hand unless my employer etc had said I had too.
I just don't like it when someone accuses me of something I didn't do or lie in my face.
ps Go easy on me Bakes ;D
Post by: Bakes on February 13, 2012, 12:56:53 AM
Suarez was very immature, Evra I guess he still upset and didn't handle the situation well.
I like how as Suarez approached Evra the ref was watching like a hawk and moved in quickly to stop Evra from doing anything embarrassing.
Evra almost kill Rio tryin to tackle Suarez.
On the QPR game, looks like when the offender is English the FA will go to great lengths to save face.
I can't really understand the rational in suspending the ritual for one, and insisting it go on for the other. In my mind both ceremonies should have been observed.... the game bigger than the individuals, and this is a part of the English "game". That said, remember there were implied death threats (live round mailed) to Ferdinand before that match... maybe that had something to do with it.
Post by: Bakes on February 13, 2012, 12:58:55 AM
Kev I thought as much. I am just surprised that the League did not anticipate what may potentially happen, give it is Suarez.
Can't see how some Liverpool fans are using this photo to defend Suarez. Saying that Evra is the one who did not accept his hand immediately.
(http://i.imgur.com/i2unl.jpg)
Dred... I battling some of these imps on FB and elsewhere. I actually removed myself from a couple of them Facebook groups because of some of the so-called "fans" reaction to this racism row.
Post by: Bakes on February 13, 2012, 01:02:59 AM
Also, apparently it seems that the owners may have gotten involved after an article in the NY Times (speculation).
I wouldn't doubt it... the NYTimes parent company is also a minority owner in FSG, so entirely possible that pressure was brought upon LFC's management from the US ownership.
Post by: Bakes on February 13, 2012, 01:18:27 AM
I just don't like it when someone accuses me of something I didn't do or lie in my face.
ps Go easy on me Bakes ;D
It sounds like you actually believe Suarez with he talk that he didn't mean anything by his "negro" comments. I did too at first, but in the wake of the FA report, the fact that it took them six tries in order to get a straight answer from him as to why he 'pinched' Evra's arm, if he was NOT referring to the color of his skin... his play acting, exaggeration to contact, waving his arms etc.... it all tells me otherwise. Dude might not be racist, but what is is (and this seems clear to me) is a wind-up merchant. These South American players very much into gamesmanship and getting into the other player's head is part of that. He wanted to rile up Evra, not realizing that his comments would get him into trouble.
The issue with Evra's hand position is a non-starter... by his own admission Suarez is the one who refused the handshake. It does seem as though Evra hesitated, but look at his eyes... he's looking Suarez dead in his face, whereas, you can't see Suarez eyes, but you can tell he never looks at Evra. So in my mind Evra is seeing that this fella done start ignoring him by not even looking at him to begin with.. hence the delay in extending his arm. When he realize Suarez serious, then he made the exaggerated grab for Suarez arm to rightly show him up.
I understand some ah allyuh doh like Evra, but it baffles me how people keep trying to vilify him... calling him a liar, saying he's made racism charges before (not true) and now that he didn't want to shake Suarez' hand. From the statements by the club and the player... it should be clear who was in the wrong. Liverpool made asses of themselves over this entire affair... Suarez has no credibility with me anymore, from the fact that the IRC panel found him to not be credible, to the questioning during the hearings, to boldface lying to his manager knowing full well he had no intentions of shaking hands... dude is a pathetic individual and I'd sooner see them sell him than root for him.
Post by: kev on February 13, 2012, 04:09:29 AM
I can understand how you can think because Terry is English the FA have sorted it out, but thats not the reason.
I suspect they asked about QPR game handshake and were told it wasn't going to happen (which imho is fair enough, I can understand it), so rather than it become a farce and apoosible inflamatory / bad PR point they scrapped it for the game. I don't think the reason was because it was Terry.
As for this one given the teams involved and the audience and the situation, denying culpability, making it a running sore, the FA, Prem and PFA all wanted to put it to bed and move on. The same debates would of happened with this as the QPR game and Suarez and Evra must of agreed to shake hands, otherwise it would of been cancelled or start Suarez on the bench. The last thing I think anybody would of wanted, particularly with so many people watching is the farce that happened. Suarez either had a change of mind at the last minute or agreed with no intention of going through with it.
Of course the owners, shareholders are going to get involved, it showed Liverpool in a bad light, brought the racism thing back to the foreground, which I am sure their sponsors are far from happy with, afterall they don't pay all that money (and its big money) to be associated with what can appear to the public an unsporting, racist friendly team. They will run a mile and I will guarantee they will make their feelings known to the owners. It was handled badly from the start and went downhill from there, its now just damage limitation.
Post by: JDB on February 13, 2012, 08:31:26 AM
Observer –
The FA di make changes in anticipation of trouble. Usually the Home team walsk along the away line and the ref is in the middle of the linesmen. This time Dowd was the closest official and they had Liverpool walk along the United line. With Evra as captain this gave Dowd prime position and he was all over the handshake. If United had walked Evra would have met Suarez at the end of th eline and who knows what mighta happen. Evra real wring up he face at Suarez but Dowd was on spot to keep things in check.
Chow –
The handshake has been a hot topic of debate in the UK. Mcmanaman and Darke were probably just weighing in. The whole team line-up handshake is relatively new. It used to be just captains shaking hands at the toss. I don’t know when things switch but it was definitely sometime during the EPL era. I understand those who question the sincerity or usefulness of the pre-game handshake as currently constituted. As a player I used to seek out men to shake hands after a game and it is much more meaningful, despite being less complete. The problem with the current arrangement is that is becoming an occasion to make a public statement and is distracting. The FA kinda make a rod for they back by cancelling the Chelsea - QPR one last month.
Ferguson and Evra’s actions –
Coulda taken the high ground and kept their own counsel one more time on this issue. Ferguson was out of order to comment on Suaez role at Liverpool. Much better to leave that for them to ponder. Evra also should have ignored Suarez. At least Ferguson was able to criticise Evra for doing that.
The Apology –
It is what it is. I don’t think it is any more hollow than anything else in PR. When Cantona went wild United banned him for 3 months immediately. Obviously they were taking in front before the FA and courts got involved but you can’t fault the actaion. As for Liverpool, you can’t say that they don’t mean it or it is insincere without seeing what the future holds. Up to this point Liverpool have been unapologetic so there was no lack of sincerity…from the t-shirst to Dalglish’s constant harping on the ban everybody knew where there stall was set. Even with the apology it is clear that that Dalglish and Suarez still not apologiziing to Evra for the original incident, but that is old news.
Post by: JDB on February 13, 2012, 08:39:52 AM
I believe that fans are fans. Every teams fans are obnoxiuos braggarts when they winning and out of touch whingers when they losing. On the internet and on phone-ins all clubs have a vocal minority that speak the loudest and make the least sense. History and local culture do give us differences and here is where Liverpool, with its unique history, economics and demographics set itself apart.
I have yet to see a more persecuted bunch of fans in England. They take this YNWA thing to such an extreme that “no matter what shit you say or do… YNWA”. They are especially rabid, unlike the United fans with their very useless and nonsensical green and gold protest Liverpool fans really organzie to impact organizations who they are in contest with, whether it be the Sun, the RBS, Hicks and Gillette, or the fella on World Football Daily who they shut down off Sirius they have shown that is not just a few mouthers on a message board. For good and for bad they are some diligent agitators.
When Rooney wanted to leave United had a band of idiots who show up in balaclavas outside his house, so all fans have their lunatic fringe. But even if you take away the fringe Liverpool’s fans have a core that is especially blinkered.
Common themes among the core of this support which Bakes could probably attest to…
Evra is making this all up.
Not that Suarez said something that Evra mis-interpreted. Not that Suarez said something and Evra has thin skin. That Evra is a lying, thing c*nt who is trying to get one over on Liverpool.
Ferguson is driving Evra on to damage Liverpool ( a club in 7 place, out of Europe and hasn’t won a title for 20 years. If this was all a plot to gain competitive advantage wouldn’t it make more sense for Ferguson and Evra to do it against City? But I digress.
Ferguson has the FA and the media in his pocket.
He is in total control. Nevermind the fact that neutral who usually wouldn’t back a more successful side and who have no real skin in the game tend to think that Liverpool have handled this badly, wheih is a generous description if you ask me.
If you not in lockstep with the “Suarez is wronged” line of thought you are not a supporter you are a follower.
As as result there is no real space for a dissneting voice among Liverpool fans and one hyperbolic rant gets trumped by another…hence the prevailing Evra/FA/Ferguson/Media/Public conspiracy theory. The core is now disappointed that the owers sold them out and are willing to bend over and take it from the Evra/FA/Ferguson/Media.
Suarez is a saint.
Now this is the real head scratcher. Suarez is a player who bite a sweaty man neck. Whatever the provocation or circumstance that is beyond the pale for football conduct. To me that way worse than throwing talk for a man. With that on his record and as an example of his character, how is it that every Liverpool fan is enough of a linguist to explain defeinitively that Suarez used the word Negro in a non-pejorative manner. A lot of Cantona references come up in the past few days but imagine if the majority of United fans were adamant that ins spite of his past history of bust-ups, walk-outs and red-cards that Cantona was an innocent in his attack on Matthew Simmons in 1995.
Just like the words for Evra I think the handshake is a small thing for a man-biter. When I hear about it all I thought was “stay classy Suarez”. Seeing it it did look bad but even so if he determined not to hsake hands that is his right. But his actions were counter to what his manager and club wanted. Even after it being known that he screwed over Dalglish and his own club the core of these Liverpool fans not willing to concede that Suarez might be untrustworthy.
“Kenny”.
Much of the fan response to this is predicated on “King Kenny”s response . Dalglish was the best Scottish player of all time, a playing legend for Liverpool and guided the club through its most trying period ever. For that he is a God but the flipside of that is the argument that pervades Liverpool fans’ response. “Kenny went through Heysel and Hillsborough and if he believes Suarez is innocent then it has to be so”.
This has been compounded by Dalglish’s irresponsible references to “we know what is not in the report” meaning that fans who could now discount the report (the closest thing we have to an impartial analysis of the incident) completely because Kenny says (without saying anything) that Suarez is wronged. I even hear John Aldridge parroting the sme BS on the BBC yesterday morning. When asked directly what is this behind the scenes knowledge his response “he cannot say, but Liverpool will probably come out with it when they see fit”. What is the point of that? To drag the issue up again, months in the future?
When Dalglish, despite “knowing” so much does not appeal, the fans still don’t question any of it because it is Kenny Dalglish. As much as I think the calls for Ferguson to retire back in the mid 2000’s were wrong you have to be thankful that there could be that kind of debate. With Dlaglish there is such a free pass even in this thread. I remember Omar asking about Dalglish vs Hodgson and the answer was the team needs time and players but you look at the 100M spent on players and you have to say that if Liverpool doesn’t have players why isn’t Dalglish getting blame for buying Downing, Henderson and Carroll for 70M. Even with Carroll it is “Dalglish have a way with diffiuclt players”…”based on what”… “he’s Kenny Dalglish”.
Post by: JDB on February 13, 2012, 08:56:16 AM
Firstly, he clearly feels aggrieved at the stuff he had to go through. He makes the point that the reponse to all of this is insincere. He thinks that the English haven’t moved on in race relations, just that they have legislated such that people just don’t say how they feel. He makes the analogy that murder and theft are outlawed but still happen, likewise racism will not be eradicated by legislation but by education. He also used the dearth of black managers as an example of racism still be prevalent.
Barnes is a very intelligent fella. His idea is to educate that race is a non-existant fiction with no genetic basis, contrived 600 years ago to justify colonization and slavery. In the past I have heard him with similar high-thinking concepots about Nationalism as an evil and that nothing good comes from the geopolitcal borders that we have between people.
Where he loses some points and comes off as a staucnh Liverpool apologist is when he says that none of the journalists said or dis anything back in his time. When the response is “true but something is being written now” his retort was that “it is not the right thing being done, that banning Suarez and Terry does not solve anything”. He also doesn’t blame Kenny for what Suarez failed to do, even though admitting that he should have done it, but then refuses to say whether Liverpool should punish Suarez internally.
I also disgree with his rejection of ideas like affirmative action as a solution. For all its flaws AA forces people to work with groups who they would otherwise not consider, encounter or associate with. This forced socialization can act as an inetrface for people to broaden their ideas and understand that the differences they see in race and colour are artificial and the differences in culture are natural. Bit by bit, over time those ideas spread to remove prejudices, very slow process but it is an approach with some merit.
Post by: Tenorsaw on February 13, 2012, 09:56:56 AM
Post by: kev on February 13, 2012, 10:20:56 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/feb/13/luis-suarez-liverpool-standard-chartered
Luis Suárez handshake row upsets Liverpool sponsors Standard Chartered
Liverpool's US owners and their shirt sponsor have intervened to help defuse the race row surrounding Luis Suárez's refusal to shake Patrice Evra's hand before Liverpool's defeat at Manchester United on Saturday.
Standard Chartered, which pays around £20m a season to sponsor Liverpool, went public with its criticism in a brief statement, saying: "We were very disappointed by Saturday's incident and have discussed our concerns with the club." A person familiar with the matter said: "It was a very robust conversation."
Standard Chartered was attracted to Liverpool by its strong Asian support base. The bank is based in London but makes almost all its profits in Asia. Most of its staff are in Asia, Africa and the Middle East.
The BBC reported that the Fenway Sports Group, which bought the club in 2010 and owns the Boston Red Sox baseball team, had said an apology was necessary. A spokesman for Liverpool declined to comment on the reports that pressure had been brought to bear.
The Football Association, which imposed the eight-match ban, will take no action over Suárez's refusal to shake hands because it is not a disciplinary issue.
The Liverpool striker apologised on Sunday for refusing the handshake before his team's 2-1 loss at Old Trafford and his manager Kenny Dalglish also said sorry for his post-match reaction when challenged over the snub. Suárez was returning to the Liverpool starting lineup for the first time since serving an eight-match ban for racially abusing Evra during a match in October.
Post by: g on February 13, 2012, 10:27:16 AM
Whatever goodwill intentions the FA had has been erased.
Post by: Observer on February 13, 2012, 10:43:31 AM
Much of the fan response to this is predicated on “King Kenny”s response . Dalglish was the best Scottish player of all time
Dennis Law may have something to say about that ;D
Its quite clear that King Kenny's absence from the game, has left him unprepared for modern media demands.
Post by: fish on February 13, 2012, 11:49:43 AM
Some views from South America before the game was that the story has been mainly one sided out of ENgland. That what Suarez did was some heckling that was meant to always stay inside the game. That the FA banning Suarez was too much and one sided. Now I know their media rel like all kinda scene. And I agree. The equivalent of Suarez calling Evra is similar to if I say Indian! while we sweating. However, as part of the game, yes, he tried to get into Evra's head, but it wasn't intended to be racially discriminating. That being said, Suarez was charged. If in the report it is noted that Evra then said something to Suarez along the same lines of being racist, then why Evra was not charged as well? This isn't payback. It don't work that way. You respond, you get punishment too and that's how it always has been. The difference between both parties here is that Suarez did it without intention, Evra did. No one can deny that fact at all.
I am firmly against racism. And I do not agree with Suarez smashing the ball into the stands and all them kinda heights because that shouldn't have been, no matter how frustrating. Suarez is no saint but he has not deserved the punishment nor scrutiny he received leading up to the game. Also he should have told Kenny and the club that he was not gonna shake Evra's hand before the game. However, I believe this is another FA and English media no-ball wicket. Suarez and Liverpool fought a losing battle based on something that shouldn't have even been.
Post by: Bakes on February 13, 2012, 12:03:47 PM
Even with Carroll it is “Dalglish have a way with diffiuclt players”…”based on what”… “he’s Kenny Dalglish”.
Actually, that was said with regards to Bellamy... and it was spot on, if I must say so myself. Also, Kenny and Hodgson... no comparison. Same standing in the table but the team is vastly improved and plays like it. No comparison.
Post by: Bakes on February 13, 2012, 12:13:13 PM
If I was Suarez and I felt like I didn't do anything wrong, I definitely was not gonna shake Evra hand. No way. And Evra made it worse in trying to pull him back. For what?? If you overs it, and he walk pass you, leave d man.
Some views from South America before the game was that the story has been mainly one sided out of ENgland. That what Suarez did was some heckling that was meant to always stay inside the game. That the FA banning Suarez was too much and one sided. Now I know their media rel like all kinda scene. And I agree. The equivalent of Suarez calling Evra is similar to if I say Indian! while we sweating. However, as part of the game, yes, he tried to get into Evra's head, but it wasn't intended to be racially discriminating. That being said, Suarez was charged. If in the report it is noted that Evra then said something to Suarez along the same lines of being racist, then why Evra was not charged as well? This isn't payback. It don't work that way. You respond, you get punishment too and that's how it always has been. The difference between both parties here is that Suarez did it without intention, Evra did. No one can deny that fact at all.
I am firmly against racism. And I do not agree with Suarez smashing the ball into the stands and all them kinda heights because that shouldn't have been, no matter how frustrating. Suarez is no saint but he has not deserved the punishment nor scrutiny he received leading up to the game. Also he should have told Kenny and the club that he was not gonna shake Evra's hand before the game. However, I believe this is another FA and English media no-ball wicket. Suarez and Liverpool fought a losing battle based on something that shouldn't have even been.
Did you read the f**king report??
I real starting to lose patience seeing the same inaccurate shit being repeated over and over. Is like the f**king Stepford Fans over on these LFC messageboards. Suarez claims that Evra called him "sudaca"... the panel considered the allegation and found that there was no credibility to it... therefore no basis to charge Evra. Half the people who dismissing the IRC report either didn't read it or don't understand what they read, but happy to dismiss it all the same.
f**k what the South Americans think... look at how they treat blacks in their own countries and you'll have all the context you need for understanding their defense of the indefensible. It matters not what Suarez meant, this too was addressed in the report. In fact it was the critical argument on which both sides hinged their argument and LFC lost.... for good reason. For disciplinary purposes you can't rely on what the player intended, else man could always say "yeah ah mash him up and get red carded... but ah didn't mean it". You have to look to the player's actions and judge it objectively, not subjectively. Looking at ALL of the evidence objectively, including Suarez' lack of credibility, it becomes clear that he used "negro" in a provocative sense. Regardless how innocuous that is, in England that is racial abuse. End of story.
Post by: dinho on February 13, 2012, 02:09:22 PM
Post by: elan on February 13, 2012, 05:03:35 PM
Post by: Bakes on February 13, 2012, 09:27:23 PM
How it wasn't a problem when Wayne Bridge didn't shake JT hand. Race wasn't an issue?
Was the issue as potentially divisive as race in that case? Was there as much animosity on the messageboards, indicative of a potentially flammable situation in the stands? Did Bridge give every assurance that he would shake Terry's hand then failed to follow thru?
Post by: Mango Chow! on February 13, 2012, 10:45:58 PM
Finally on Barnes. I heard him on BBC and talksport and his is a very nuanced response.
Firstly, he clearly feels aggrieved at the stuff he had to go through. He makes the point that the reponse to all of this is insincere. He thinks that the English haven’t moved on in race relations, just that they have legislated such that people just don’t say how they feel. He makes the analogy that murder and theft are outlawed but still happen, likewise racism will not be eradicated by legislation but by education. He also used the dearth of black managers as an example of racism still be prevalent.
Barnes is a very intelligent fella. His idea is to educate that race is a non-existant fiction with no genetic basis, contrived 600 years ago to justify colonization and slavery. In the past I have heard him with similar high-thinking concepots about Nationalism as an evil and that nothing good comes from the geopolitcal borders that we have between people.
Where he loses some points and comes off as a staucnh Liverpool apologist is when he says that none of the journalists said or dis anything back in his time. When the response is “true but something is being written now” his retort was that “it is not the right thing being done, that banning Suarez and Terry does not solve anything”. He also doesn’t blame Kenny for what Suarez failed to do, even though admitting that he should have done it, but then refuses to say whether Liverpool should punish Suarez internally.
I also disgree with his rejection of ideas like affirmative action as a solution. For all its flaws AA forces people to work with groups who they would otherwise not consider, encounter or associate with. This forced socialization can act as an inetrface for people to broaden their ideas and understand that the differences they see in race and colour are artificial and the differences in culture are natural. Bit by bit, over time those ideas spread to remove prejudices, very slow process but it is an approach with some merit.
There IS intelligent life on this forum.......
How it wasn't a problem when Wayne Bridge didn't shake JT hand. Race wasn't an issue?
....there is youth, too.
Post by: elan on February 13, 2012, 11:05:16 PM
Finally on Barnes. I heard him on BBC and talksport and his is a very nuanced response.
Firstly, he clearly feels aggrieved at the stuff he had to go through. He makes the point that the reponse to all of this is insincere. He thinks that the English haven’t moved on in race relations, just that they have legislated such that people just don’t say how they feel. He makes the analogy that murder and theft are outlawed but still happen, likewise racism will not be eradicated by legislation but by education. He also used the dearth of black managers as an example of racism still be prevalent.
Barnes is a very intelligent fella. His idea is to educate that race is a non-existant fiction with no genetic basis, contrived 600 years ago to justify colonization and slavery. In the past I have heard him with similar high-thinking concepots about Nationalism as an evil and that nothing good comes from the geopolitcal borders that we have between people.
Where he loses some points and comes off as a staucnh Liverpool apologist is when he says that none of the journalists said or dis anything back in his time. When the response is “true but something is being written now” his retort was that “it is not the right thing being done, that banning Suarez and Terry does not solve anything”. He also doesn’t blame Kenny for what Suarez failed to do, even though admitting that he should have done it, but then refuses to say whether Liverpool should punish Suarez internally.
I also disgree with his rejection of ideas like affirmative action as a solution. For all its flaws AA forces people to work with groups who they would otherwise not consider, encounter or associate with. This forced socialization can act as an inetrface for people to broaden their ideas and understand that the differences they see in race and colour are artificial and the differences in culture are natural. Bit by bit, over time those ideas spread to remove prejudices, very slow process but it is an approach with some merit.
There IS intelligent life on this forum.......How it wasn't a problem when Wayne Bridge didn't shake JT hand. Race wasn't an issue?
....there is youth, too.
Simple are we.
Post by: elan on February 13, 2012, 11:06:14 PM
How it wasn't a problem when Wayne Bridge didn't shake JT hand. Race wasn't an issue?
Was the issue as potentially divisive as race in that case? Was there as much animosity on the messageboards, indicative of a potentially flammable situation in the stands? Did Bridge give every assurance that he would shake Terry's hand then failed to follow thru?
lol...sounds like the early 1900s
Post by: Mango Chow! on February 13, 2012, 11:10:21 PM
Finally on Barnes. I heard him on BBC and talksport and his is a very nuanced response.
Firstly, he clearly feels aggrieved at the stuff he had to go through. He makes the point that the reponse to all of this is insincere. He thinks that the English haven’t moved on in race relations, just that they have legislated such that people just don’t say how they feel. He makes the analogy that murder and theft are outlawed but still happen, likewise racism will not be eradicated by legislation but by education. He also used the dearth of black managers as an example of racism still be prevalent.
Barnes is a very intelligent fella. His idea is to educate that race is a non-existant fiction with no genetic basis, contrived 600 years ago to justify colonization and slavery. In the past I have heard him with similar high-thinking concepots about Nationalism as an evil and that nothing good comes from the geopolitcal borders that we have between people.
Where he loses some points and comes off as a staucnh Liverpool apologist is when he says that none of the journalists said or dis anything back in his time. When the response is “true but something is being written now” his retort was that “it is not the right thing being done, that banning Suarez and Terry does not solve anything”. He also doesn’t blame Kenny for what Suarez failed to do, even though admitting that he should have done it, but then refuses to say whether Liverpool should punish Suarez internally.
I also disgree with his rejection of ideas like affirmative action as a solution. For all its flaws AA forces people to work with groups who they would otherwise not consider, encounter or associate with. This forced socialization can act as an inetrface for people to broaden their ideas and understand that the differences they see in race and colour are artificial and the differences in culture are natural. Bit by bit, over time those ideas spread to remove prejudices, very slow process but it is an approach with some merit.
There IS intelligent life on this forum.......How it wasn't a problem when Wayne Bridge didn't shake JT hand. Race wasn't an issue?
....there is youth, too.
Simple are we.
You are obviously speaking for yourself, padnah. The mere fact that you would even ask that question or make the comparison in your head between the Bridge-Terry and Evra-suarez issues is confirmation of such.
Post by: boss on February 14, 2012, 07:44:32 AM
Post by: Bakes on February 26, 2012, 10:02:57 AM
EDIT:
Cardiff lull Liverpool to sleep... defenders slow to close out and Skrtel caught lagging behind to keep a man onside in the box.
1-0 Cardiff 19'... commence negative football.
Post by: Bakes on February 26, 2012, 11:21:02 AM
Post by: NYtriniwhiteboy.. on February 26, 2012, 11:35:14 AM
Cardiff looking like their next hope is penalties..Nothing really going forward
Post by: kaliman2006 on February 26, 2012, 11:49:12 AM
Post by: ckhan on February 26, 2012, 11:50:25 AM
Post by: Bakes on February 26, 2012, 12:03:35 PM
Bakes what are yuh thoughts on Gerard forearm blow on the Cardiff player blocking him? Looked deliberate to me
Yeah, looked nasty to me. Fortunately for Gunnarsson it ended up more of a box to the ear. Gerrard has a nasty streak to him when he ready... seems to me that was some of that coming out. Cardiff putting up a fight, but barely. If not fuh de woodwork dis game over with long time... no disrespect to them.
1-1 in Extra time (98')
EDIT:
Craig Bellamy have to be wondering if he invisible... I dunno what going on with the midfielders that they failing to spot this man runs down the left wing.
Post by: NYtriniwhiteboy.. on February 26, 2012, 12:15:15 PM
Post by: Bakes on February 26, 2012, 12:21:01 PM
Post by: NYtriniwhiteboy.. on February 26, 2012, 12:21:27 PM
Cardiff running on dead legs
Post by: kaliman2006 on February 26, 2012, 12:22:34 PM
2-1 Liverpool.
Match is not over yet.
Post by: Bakes on February 26, 2012, 12:28:29 PM
Kuyt wit a goal...hard luck Cardiff
Cardiff running on dead legs
Man dropping every five minutes... yuh hate to see that, but the pace at which this game was played was ridiculous. Ray Clemence made a shrewd point at the start of extra time when he said the Championship teams play at a breakneck pace game in game out, 2-3 games a week. He said that what they lacked in technique they might make up for in fitness. I have to say though, they seem worse for wear today.
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Liverpool looking to fack up de scenes going into this defensive bunker with Suarez up front by himself. Whole game we bossing possession, now all a sudden we letting them keep possession.
EDIT:
So said... so muthafacking done... 2-2 28' steups!
Post by: NYtriniwhiteboy.. on February 26, 2012, 12:30:52 PM
This is madness!
Post by: D.H.W on February 26, 2012, 12:31:01 PM
Post by: kaliman2006 on February 26, 2012, 12:31:37 PM
Nice strike by one of Liverpool's most dedicated players.
2-1 Liverpool.
Match is not over yet.
Damn, I goat mout mih own team.
Given Liverpool's strange season, this is not surprising though
Post by: giggsy11 on February 26, 2012, 12:31:46 PM
:devil: :rotfl:
Agreed! :devil: :rotfl:
Post by: Bakes on February 26, 2012, 12:32:12 PM
Post by: kaliman2006 on February 26, 2012, 12:34:25 PM
:devil: :rotfl:
You deserve to laugh. This game is symptomatic of Liverpool's season thus far.
Post by: kaliman2006 on February 26, 2012, 12:37:29 PM
Kenny loss de plot dey.
As if Kuyt's clearance off the goal line was not warning enough....
Whatever happens in the shootout, at this point, Liverpool simply eh ready. They don't have the killer instinct of a Manchester United or Manchester City.
Post by: Bakes on February 26, 2012, 12:38:11 PM
Reina saving at least one.
Post by: giggsy11 on February 26, 2012, 12:39:21 PM
Post by: ckhan on February 26, 2012, 12:40:40 PM
Post by: Bakes on February 26, 2012, 12:41:12 PM
Post by: NYtriniwhiteboy.. on February 26, 2012, 12:41:42 PM
Post by: ckhan on February 26, 2012, 12:43:36 PM
Post by: Bakes on February 26, 2012, 12:44:37 PM
Post by: giggsy11 on February 26, 2012, 12:46:16 PM
Post by: ckhan on February 26, 2012, 12:47:26 PM
Post by: kaliman2006 on February 26, 2012, 12:48:12 PM
Hard luck young Gerrard...
Nice touch that Steven consoled his cousin.
Penalties are always the cruelest way to decide a final.
Cardiff played extremely well and definitely should fell hard done by. This team left everything on the pitch.
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on February 26, 2012, 12:52:26 PM
Post by: Bakes on February 26, 2012, 12:53:59 PM
:devil: :rotfl:
Laugh nah?
Inexperience and nerves ended the hopes there... Liverpool were better but it was an embarrassing victory...
I never hear more shit so...
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on February 26, 2012, 12:59:21 PM
Post by: boss on February 26, 2012, 01:12:19 PM
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Post by: giggsy11 on February 26, 2012, 01:27:46 PM
Post by: Bakes on February 26, 2012, 02:08:56 PM
lol you struggled to beat a team from the championship and then they gifted the cup in the shootout.... Congrats..BIG TEAM
Yeah... too bad we didn't dominate the way yuh squad dominated against Norwich... as though that "BIG TEAM" talk suppose to cover fuh that "embarrassing victory" shit yuh talk above. At the end of the day that's one trophy already in the bank for Liverpool this season.
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on February 26, 2012, 02:52:17 PM
Post by: JDB on February 26, 2012, 03:52:39 PM
That had to be kinda embarrassing.
A win is a win, talk about how the actual final went is nonsense because is just one game in the cup run
Post by: Tenorsaw on February 26, 2012, 05:05:14 PM
lol you struggled to beat a team from the championship and then they gifted the cup in the shootout.... Congrats..BIG TEAM
Dan, at least we made the f$@king final. Stop the hate. That's the way cup finals go. Cardiff are a top-tier Championship side that's been a bit unlucky not to be in the EPL; they've been consistently good the last three seasons.
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on February 26, 2012, 05:32:11 PM
Post by: rotatopoti3 on February 26, 2012, 08:29:25 PM
yea man..Big Team...dominating teams like Cardiff..big side
as they say its a pity you cant buy class.....showing your true colours are we ?
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on February 26, 2012, 09:12:15 PM
Post by: kaliman2006 on February 26, 2012, 10:17:29 PM
lol you struggled to beat a team from the championship and then they gifted the cup in the shootout.... Congrats..BIG TEAM
Yeah... too bad we didn't dominate the way yuh squad dominated against Norwich... as though that "BIG TEAM" talk suppose to cover fuh that "embarrassing victory" shit yuh talk above. At the end of the day that's one trophy already in the bank for Liverpool this season.
While United has not exactly won any trophy as yet.....just saying
Post by: Deeks on February 27, 2012, 09:11:10 PM
Post by: Pointman on February 27, 2012, 11:29:21 PM
liverpool is shyte
Post by: rotatopoti3 on February 28, 2012, 12:31:50 AM
seems like u lack class too..... ;D
Post by: Reaper2004 on February 29, 2012, 04:00:32 PM
Post by: Bakes on February 29, 2012, 05:54:19 PM
Unfortunate news is that Agger suffered cracked ribs and out for six weeks.
Post by: dinho on March 01, 2012, 10:47:12 AM
Liverpool keeper Jose Reina in race storm over TV advert
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17215880
http://www.youtube.com/v/YdoHlxcbyDU
Liverpool's Jose Reina has been caught up in a race row after complaints that a television commercial he appears in is racist and homophobic.
Campaign group Operation Black Vote has complained to Spanish insurance firm Groupama Seguros about an advert in Spain featuring the goalkeeper.
They claim it "depicts black people in a jungle scenario as stupid, backward, animalistic homosexuals."
OBV say the advert has been pulled from Spanish TV since their complaint.
The advert played on Reina's surname, which means "queen" and shows the Spain international being introduced to a tribal chief who chooses him as his partner.
Campaigners claim that Groupama said it does not "contain either offensive or any discriminatory content".
OBV director Simon Woolley said: "I'm shocked on so many levels.
"Firstly, how would the Spanish feel if the English stereotyped Spanish people as backward, stupid, and animalistic homosexuals?
"Secondly, what does this say about Pepe Reina?
"The Liverpool goalkeeper has lived and worked in the UK for nearly a decade, does he think it's okay characterise black people this way?
"Does he think his black team-mates will laugh at his joke?"
Reina, 29, joined Liverpool from Liverpool in 2005 and helped them to win the Carling Cup against on Sunday.
Liverpool have already been involved in one race storm this season after striker Luis Suarez was banned for eight matches for abusing Manchester United defender Patrice Evra.
Post by: FF on March 01, 2012, 11:00:52 AM
me siento segurooooo
Post by: Bakes on March 01, 2012, 12:00:37 PM
that sh!t hilarious :rotfl:
me siento segurooooo
Folks getting ridiculous now with the 'race' talk.
Post by: Daft Trini on March 01, 2012, 03:45:28 PM
http://will-movie.com/
Post by: Bakes on March 01, 2012, 07:23:42 PM
Post by: kaliman2006 on March 03, 2012, 07:06:59 AM
Strangely, I had a feeling that Liverpool would have missed that penalty.
Edit: Looks like Laurent Koscielny is playing in the wrong shirt. He scored an own goal that any striker from the Liverpool side would have been proud of.
1-0 Liverpool
Post by: Bakes on March 03, 2012, 08:42:39 AM
Post by: giggsy11 on March 03, 2012, 08:45:30 AM
liverpool is shyte
Yes they are, more days than not! Downing is king shitsnake!
Post by: kaliman2006 on March 03, 2012, 08:47:38 AM
5 of 10 actually... missed opportunities once more come back to bite us. Kenny sitting on subs for God knows what. Goodbye top four.
Thanks for the correction. Reina got bobolized by that shot from Van Persie on the near post. Van Persie simply has the midas shot. Arsenal's mgt better make sure it does its utmost to keep Van Persie.
Liverpool simply does not have the killer instinct and are lacking in genuine world class strikers. Also, I heard the commentators second-guessing Dalglish on his failure to make a substitution until the 87th minute of the match. I hope he does not get taken aback if questioned about it in the press conference.
Post by: dinho on March 03, 2012, 08:47:59 AM
Making that 4th champions league spot harder for Chelsea steups.
Like i said, is about time Liverpool bring "King Kenny" to account. How on earth does a team with the quality of Suarez, Carroll, Bellamy, Adam, Downing, Enrique not have goals in it?
Hodgson had to field all kinda Ngog, Poulsen and Konchesky and didnt fare much worse.
Post by: dinho on March 03, 2012, 08:48:43 AM
5 of 10 actually... missed opportunities once more come back to bite us. Kenny sitting on subs for God knows what. Goodbye top four.
Thanks for the correction. Reina got bobolized by that shot from Van Persie on the near post. Van Persie simply has the midas shot. Arsenal's mgt better make sure it does its utmost to keep Van Persie.
Liverpool simply does not have the killer instinct and are lacking in genuine world class strikers. Also, I heard the commentators second-guessing Dalglish on his failure to make a substitution until the 87th minute of the match. I hope he does not get taken aback if questioned about it in the press conference.
Suarez, Carroll and Bellamy is what then?
Post by: Observer on March 03, 2012, 08:55:45 AM
5 of 10 actually... missed opportunities once more come back to bite us. Kenny sitting on subs for God knows what. Goodbye top four.
Thanks for the correction. Reina got bobolized by that shot from Van Persie on the near post. Van Persie simply has the midas shot. Arsenal's mgt better make sure it does its utmost to keep Van Persie.
Liverpool simply does not have the killer instinct and are lacking in genuine world class strikers. Also, I heard the commentators second-guessing Dalglish on his failure to make a substitution until the 87th minute of the match. I hope he does not get taken aback if questioned about it in the press conference.
Suarez,Carrolland Bellamy is what then?
Liverpool pull an Arsenal today. Play all over the opposition and lost. This happens in football probably more than in any other sport.
Dinho I hope you just asking and not insinuating that Carroll is WORLD CLASS?? His transfer fee was the only thing worthy of World Class
Post by: Bakes on March 03, 2012, 09:03:12 AM
Cyah depend on this team for nutten yes. Cyah believe allyuh really let Arsenal take that win off allyuh.Of all them names call there Suarez is the only goalscorer. Enrique? How long now he in the Prem and yet to score his first goal? But yes questions definitely need be asked of Kenny's tactics.
Making that 4th champions league spot harder for Chelsea steups.
Like i said, is about time Liverpool bring "King Kenny" to account. How on earth does a team with the quality of Suarez, Carroll, Bellamy, Adam, Downing, Enrique not have goals in it?
Hodgson had to field all kinda Ngog, Poulsen and Konchesky and didnt fare much worse.
Post by: dinho on March 03, 2012, 09:05:48 AM
5 of 10 actually... missed opportunities once more come back to bite us. Kenny sitting on subs for God knows what. Goodbye top four.
Thanks for the correction. Reina got bobolized by that shot from Van Persie on the near post. Van Persie simply has the midas shot. Arsenal's mgt better make sure it does its utmost to keep Van Persie.
Liverpool simply does not have the killer instinct and are lacking in genuine world class strikers. Also, I heard the commentators second-guessing Dalglish on his failure to make a substitution until the 87th minute of the match. I hope he does not get taken aback if questioned about it in the press conference.
Suarez,Carrolland Bellamy is what then?
Liverpool pull an Arsenal today. Play all over the opposition and lost. This happens in football probably more than in any other sport.
Dinho I hope you just asking and not insinuating that Carroll is WORLD CLASS?? His transfer fee was the only thing worthy of World Class
Carroll might not be world class but I rate him. If used properly he is the best English striker after Rooney and certainly the most physically dominant.
Liverpool simply doesn't play to his strengths which is to put long balls and crosses up for him to go up and win.
I think he is just short on confidence now.
Post by: Bakes on March 03, 2012, 09:06:30 AM
Edit: mad talk to rate Carroll second to Rooney and ahead of Bent and Defoe.
Post by: Tenorsaw on March 03, 2012, 09:11:12 AM
Post by: kaliman2006 on March 03, 2012, 10:43:02 AM
Post by: giggsy11 on March 03, 2012, 11:07:57 AM
The thing is that I am sure the eleven Kenny put out today did the best they could to win the match; however, Henderson, Adam, Downing, etc. are simply not in the class of players such as Rooney, Chicharito, Nani, and Valencia. As hard as they try, they are simply not. Thus, it will be hard for them to have that killer instinct when they do not possess the requisite skill set.
But Kenny is responsible for buying those three players including that big oaf of a striker-Carroll. He would have been better off spending his money on more foreign players;or sticking with what they had, instead of investing in the unskilled labourers/British/English players that he did, when there is such little quality to choose from. In my opinion most of todays English/British players are overrated and lack footballing sense. The EPL would be harder to watch without the talents/skills the foreign players bring to the league.
Post by: kaliman2006 on March 03, 2012, 11:38:23 AM
The thing is that I am sure the eleven Kenny put out today did the best they could to win the match; however, Henderson, Adam, Downing, etc. are simply not in the class of players such as Rooney, Chicharito, Nani, and Valencia. As hard as they try, they are simply not. Thus, it will be hard for them to have that killer instinct when they do not possess the requisite skill set.
But Kenny is responsible for buying those three players including that big oaf of a striker-Carroll. He would have been better off spending his money on more foreign players;or sticking with what they had, instead of investing in the unskilled labourers/British/English players that he did, when there is such little quality to choose from. In my opinion most of todays English/British players are overrated and lack footballing sense. The EPL would be harder to watch without the talents/skills the foreign players bring to the league.
You do bring up an interesting point. Nothing is wrong with buying British players, but Kenny needs to buy the very best British players. Gerrard, for instance, brings that extra X factor to Liverpool; the problem is he has many miles on his legs and is beginning to show the effects of aging. It happens. He has begun to pick up injuries and is becoming harder and harder for his body to heal itself. The other British players on Liverpool's team are what I consider to be role players. They need talented players in order for Liverpool to become a complete team. If I may be permitted a basketballing analogy. This would be like the successful Chicago Bulls teams of the early-mid 90s teams without the breathtaking genius of Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen.
For me, the problem with British players stems from the British footballing philosophy, which emphasizes grit, determination and speed over technical skill. This is part of the reason why Franz Beckenbauer berated the English team for being a "kick and rush" team
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/worldcup2010/article-1286624/Youre-kick-rush-team-Germany-legend-Franz-Beckenbauer-blasts-England.html
Even to the armchair observer such as myself, England's tactics have always favoured the "kick and rush" style, or in Trini parlance, "boom kick football." Thus, I agree with you, the EPL would be very dull to watch without the infusion of foreign talent into the English game.
Post by: Observer on March 03, 2012, 11:43:32 AM
Carroll is nothing special, never was. He had a nice run of games leading up to the transfer window which worked out very well in his favor. Kaliman I also agree with you we lack a killer's instinct. Only man with anything close to a killer's instinct on that team is Kuyt.
Edit: mad talk to rate Carroll second to Rooney and ahead of Bent and Defoe.
Well its an opinion! Even though I cannot see it myself (especially his feet), though I will also acknowledge that he is young. At the moment IMHO would say Holt is a better striker, as deadly in the air and better feet
Post by: Bitter on March 03, 2012, 01:02:54 PM
Post by: Bakes on March 03, 2012, 02:33:12 PM
Well its an opinion! Even though I cannot see it myself (especially his feet), though I will also acknowledge that he is young. At the moment IMHO would say Holt is a better striker, as deadly in the air and better feet
Good call, I like Carol I like that he's young and I like that he can only get better (presumably). But I 100% agree with you on Grant Holt he has really opened eyes, speaking for myself, this season.
Post by: Tenorsaw on March 03, 2012, 07:39:22 PM
Well its an opinion! Even though I cannot see it myself (especially his feet), though I will also acknowledge that he is young. At the moment IMHO would say Holt is a better striker, as deadly in the air and better feet
Good call, I like Carol I like that he's young and I like that he can only get better (presumably). But I 100% agree with you on Grant Holt he has really opened eyes, speaking for myself, this season.
Been watching Holt for a while now. Saw a lot of him last season in the Championship and was really impressed with him. He is great in the air; as good as it gets. His workrate is phonomenal, and he really roughs up defenders.
Post by: Tenorsaw on March 03, 2012, 07:41:34 PM
The thing is that I am sure the eleven Kenny put out today did the best they could to win the match; however, Henderson, Adam, Downing, etc. are simply not in the class of players such as Rooney, Chicharito, Nani, and Valencia. As hard as they try, they are simply not. Thus, it will be hard for them to have that killer instinct when they do not possess the requisite skill set.
But Kenny is responsible for buying those three players including that big oaf of a striker-Carroll. He would have been better off spending his money on more foreign players;or sticking with what they had, instead of investing in the unskilled labourers/British/English players that he did, when there is such little quality to choose from. In my opinion most of todays English/British players are overrated and lack footballing sense. The EPL would be harder to watch without the talents/skills the foreign players bring to the league.
This summer, we ain't need no more Brits....go to South America and Europe.
Post by: Football supporter on March 03, 2012, 09:41:38 PM
Post by: elan on March 03, 2012, 10:19:55 PM
Post by: Mango Chow! on March 06, 2012, 04:09:02 PM
Boy, now see that Golasso from RVP, fadda lawd...............sometimes it rel better to be lucky than good. Whata strike.
...it wasn't that vicious of a strike. He placed the ball with the inside of his foot...wasn't a lot of pace on the ball...make reina look like a rel tun-tun though.
Post by: Bakes on March 13, 2012, 03:01:31 PM
EDIT:
2-0 in the 51' Gerrard with a second. Should be three... Carroll just throw 'way.
It is three after all... Gerrard with the hattrick off the Suarez pass at the death. First hattrick in this derby in the League in 30 yrs (Ian Rush).
Post by: Tenorsaw on March 13, 2012, 04:08:14 PM
Post by: Bakes on March 13, 2012, 04:14:01 PM
Stevie Wonder. We miss this fella on the field. He is the leader.
Suarez with two nice assists, especially on the last goal.
Post by: rotatopoti3 on March 13, 2012, 06:19:17 PM
real accuracy on dem 3 goals...
this game shows how much we miss a FIT Steven Gerrard.....
Here's hoping we can use this to springboard we...
I meant to say to springboard us.... is that the correct Subject Pronoun Bakes?
Post by: Bakes on March 18, 2012, 01:02:29 PM
Post by: rotatopoti3 on March 18, 2012, 07:56:56 PM
if we could only put this form in d league..but right now i goe settle for FA CUP....!
Post by: Bakes on March 18, 2012, 08:06:42 PM
dat Downing goal was pure class....d boy looking more like ah Scouser everyday...
if we could only put this form in d league..but right now i goe settle for FA CUP....!
What about Gerrard touch to lay it off to him...
Post by: boss on March 19, 2012, 03:36:45 AM
What about Gerrard touch to lay it off to him...
He said in his post-match interview that he didn't mean to do that. It looked like it was straight off the training ground though :)
Post by: dinho on March 19, 2012, 07:08:46 AM
Allyuh don't know a bad trap when allyuh see one?
Post by: Bakes on March 19, 2012, 11:32:17 AM
He said in his post-match interview that he didn't mean to do that. It looked like it was straight off the training ground though :)
The commentators on the FSC feed were saying he didn't know anything about it too, lol
Post by: Bakes on March 21, 2012, 03:15:04 PM
Post by: Tenorsaw on March 21, 2012, 03:45:00 PM
Ridiculous scissor-kick by Coates to put Liverpool up 1-0 over QPR in the 55'.
Ain't watching the game, but they say de yute is very good in the attacking third. He has the potential to be very good.
Post by: Bakes on March 21, 2012, 03:52:15 PM
Ridiculous scissor-kick by Coates to put Liverpool up 1-0 over QPR in the 55'.
Ain't watching the game, but they say de yute is very good in the attacking third. He has the potential to be very good.
Say thank God yuh not watching... Liverpool in shambles. Kuyt put us up 2-0 in the 72'... QPR come back and score 3 in 20 minutes. 3-2 QPR in added time.. I turn it off.
Post by: Tenorsaw on March 21, 2012, 03:53:50 PM
Post by: Tenorsaw on March 21, 2012, 03:55:35 PM
Ridiculous scissor-kick by Coates to put Liverpool up 1-0 over QPR in the 55'.
Ain't watching the game, but they say de yute is very good in the attacking third. He has the potential to be very good.
Say thank God yuh not watching... Liverpool in shambles. Kuyt put us up 2-0 in the 72'... QPR come back and score 3 in 20 minutes. 3-2 QPR in added time.. I turn it off.
Dalgish job should not be safe....plain and simple. Bought British and it didn't work, and team is too far off the pace. The owners should be man enough to set him an ultimatum: CL next season, or you're out.
Post by: Bakes on March 21, 2012, 05:16:48 PM
Dalgish job should not be safe....plain and simple. Bought British and it didn't work, and team is too far off the pace. The owners should be man enough to set him an ultimatum: CL next season, or you're out.
Doh let de 'faithful' hear yuh saying dem things nuh. Kenny was a great player and is a better man. As a manager it appears the game has passed him by, tactically there remains questions, his purchases, as you've outlined, fail to impress (Coates score a nice goal, but he's being targeted in defense even more than Carra) and frankly, I'm not even sure the players continue to be motivated by him. I agree with you, Top 4 next season, or else. That's not arrogance talking, for the kinda money we spent that is the least we should have to show for it.
Post by: kaliman2006 on March 21, 2012, 05:27:41 PM
Post by: Bakes on March 22, 2012, 12:05:28 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/zj9umu0H5hI&feature=related
Post by: kev on March 22, 2012, 10:47:19 AM
Dalgish job should not be safe....plain and simple. Bought British and it didn't work, and team is too far off the pace. The owners should be man enough to set him an ultimatum: CL next season, or you're out.
Doh let de 'faithful' hear yuh saying dem things nuh. Kenny was a great player and is a better man. As a manager it appears the game has passed him by, tactically there remains questions, his purchases, as you've outlined, fail to impress (Coates score a nice goal, but he's being targeted in defense even more than Carra) and frankly, I'm not even sure the players continue to be motivated by him. I agree with you, Top 4 next season, or else. That's not arrogance talking, for the kinda money we spent that is the least we should have to show for it.
I don't think he is doing himself any favours with the media at all in his post match interviews.
Top 4 will be a big ask next year, will the owners put in the money needed, if they do will he buy the right players.
Can't see them overalling Manu or City without massive investment, even with it will be debatable.
Arsenal look likely to spend this summer for a change.
Chelsea will have a new manager along with money, their problem lies with the old players who are really running the place and have seen off the last few managers.
Spurs will lose their manager but have a decent squad but will need to invest, if they get CL this year likely that will help with the funds, which Liverpool won't have.
If he wins the FA Cup he will be there next season without it for me there is a doubt.
Post by: boss on March 24, 2012, 10:50:40 AM
As an aside, when Raheem Sterling was born, the Number 1 song on the charts was "On Bended Knee" by Boyz II Men. I feel old.
Post by: Bakes on March 24, 2012, 11:28:02 AM
Post by: rotatopoti3 on March 24, 2012, 06:01:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZQyVUTcpM4&ob=av2n
Post by: kaliman2006 on March 25, 2012, 12:24:24 PM
Post by: DeSoWa on March 25, 2012, 12:37:57 PM
Big Up!
Post by: D.H.W on March 25, 2012, 01:15:25 PM
Post by: Bakes on March 25, 2012, 02:04:03 PM
Back in December Kenny was the best thing since sliced bread for the Liverpool faithfuls! ;D
Big Up!
Every other week Arsene Wenger is the worst manager in football... what's your point exactly?
Post by: kaliman2006 on March 25, 2012, 02:08:20 PM
Kkkenny..
Kenny was just trying to defend his player, although from a public relations standpoint, he and the Liverpool mgt should have kept their mouths shut until all the facts of the case came out.
In short, I don't think Kenny is a racist, if that is what you are implying.
Post by: DeSoWa on March 25, 2012, 03:54:57 PM
Back in December Kenny was the best thing since sliced bread for the Liverpool faithfuls! ;D
Big Up!
Every other week Arsene Wenger is the worst manager in football... what's your point exactly?
Yep, and he been doing it for 15 yrs...let's see how long your esteemed manager would last :D
Big Up!
Post by: Bakes on March 25, 2012, 06:35:26 PM
Yep, and he been doing it for 15 yrs...let's see how long your esteemed manager would last :D
Big Up!
You failed to address the question... what is your point exactly?
Post by: dwolfman on March 25, 2012, 08:15:32 PM
Post by: rotatopoti3 on March 26, 2012, 07:36:40 AM
Post by: Tenorsaw on March 26, 2012, 08:23:56 AM
if Kenny doe make it to next season...I nominating d Spanish Chef Rafa
I'd like to see Rafa back under some owners that are willing to spend. Problem is that Rafa takes too long to promote youth players: he brings them in and they rot in the reserves and academy. There is good potential coming through the academy at the moment and he may very well stunt this progress. Otherwise, he'll definitely compete, and we won't be giving up any 2-goal leads like against QPR.
Other candidates:
- Villas Boas (yes, he could very well start a project at Anfield, and might have been on the owner's shortlist last season)
- Juergen Klopp (Borrusia Dortmund) another who was probably on shortlist last season
Post by: Mango Chow! on March 26, 2012, 09:12:03 AM
Back in December Kenny was the best thing since sliced bread for the Liverpool faithfuls! ;D
Big Up!
He was....to them....he was a sellout movie with buttered popcorn and a supersized coke to wash it all down....now he done turn dat deep, proud liverpool red into a dark shade ah pepto bismol pink.....and AVB was their laughing stock and they was sure to be passing Chelsea fuh a CL spot on their projected ascendancy.....Look how fast December doone turn into March......even adidas say they've had enough of "King Kenny" and liverpool. Ah guess it does happ'm to de best ah dem so who is liverpool?
Post by: DeSoWa on March 26, 2012, 10:32:02 AM
Yep, and he been doing it for 15 yrs...let's see how long your esteemed manager would last :D
Big Up!
You failed to address the question... what is your point exactly?
Bakes ah know you smarter than that, and I am even smarter to not be pulled in into any ole talk...you know exactly what I meant. I am just rubbing a lil salt, if it happens to fall into your open wounds, so be it! :beermug:
Big Up!
Post by: JDB on March 26, 2012, 01:58:58 PM
Dalglish needs to get criticism. His buys have not been good but Liverpool fans were not complaining when the buys were made. Downing was always paceless but men talk about him being “deceptively quick”. The side always needed width and had about 10 central midfielders yet men was happy to get Adam and Henderson. He also talk a lot of shit all season. Carroll struggling is "media fiction" yet he start him in less than half the league games. Suddenly the league is not a measure of success, "cups and kit deals" is where it is at. And now 3 games in 7 days is a problem, wait till next season in the Europa League.
That being said Liverpool fans need to chill out and show some patience. There was a stat last week that taking Dalglish first 44 games his record is better than everybody since he left the club. Better than Souness, Evans, Houllier and Benitez. Benitez win a CL in his first season, Dalglish win a league cup and could win a FA cup (the team wasn’t in Europe so you can’t really compare the level of the trophies). During the time that Liverpool has not won the league they have contended for it ONCE, and even that year they were only in contention up till the New Year because United always had games in hand to put it out of sight.
On their cup runs this season Liverpool have had some nice draws but they have also beat Chelsea, City and United. They also did relatively well against these teams in the league drawing against City and United at Anfield. All this without Lucas which is abig loss for that side
It is very reminiscent of Ferguson in 1990. 13th in the league, a Cup win to save the season and a bunch of big money signings (Ince, Pallister, Wallace, Webb) who were not performing. In them days United used to beat Arsenal and Liverpool regular and lose to Derby, Palace, Norwich, Chelsea and all the dregs teams.
Now United went to on to add to the FA Cup win, for Liverpool this could be like the cup wins under Houllier and Benitiez that Went nowhere. Each year for United was progress, 1991 Cup winners Cup and 6th place, 1992 League Cup and 2nd place , 1993 Title, 1994 Double.
I don’t see that happening with Liverpool because the game is different. It is a lot harder to move up the league and when teams with more commercial power and financial muscle like United, Arsenal, Chelsea and City are on top it is hard for Liverpool to displace these teams no matter who the manager is.
Dalglish could realistically get this side to compete for the fourth place next season. If they do that , even if they come fifth, is progress. This idea that Liverpool should be an automatic in the top 4 is fanciful with the league being the way it is now unless one of the current top 5 really open the door for them. Liverpool fans need to chill out and see if he could get something out of them players, if nothing happen in two more years yuh scrap it and start over. At least they win something this year. Between Arsenal, United and City – three better teams than Liverpool - two of them going and end the season with nothing.
Post by: Bakes on March 26, 2012, 02:11:41 PM
Bakes ah know you smarter than that, and I am even smarter to not be pulled in into any ole talk...you know exactly what I meant. I am just rubbing a lil salt, if it happens to fall into your open wounds, so be it! :beermug:
Big Up!
I not in your head to know what yuh meant from yuh nebulous comment... yuh seemed to be implying that Liverpool fans fickle for praising Dalglish in December and calling for his head now. Of course there are perfectly reasonable reasons for that... 1) being that it very well could be different sets of fans who were vocal then as opposed to now; 2) being that he's failed.. plain and simple. LFC fans no different from Arsenal or Chelsea fans. So again... what is your point? Keep that salt to season the shit yuh talking.
Post by: Mango Chow! on March 26, 2012, 02:12:21 PM
Post by: DeSoWa on March 26, 2012, 09:31:20 PM
Bakes ah know you smarter than that, and I am even smarter to not be pulled in into any ole talk...you know exactly what I meant. I am just rubbing a lil salt, if it happens to fall into your open wounds, so be it! :beermug:
Big Up!
I not in your head to know what yuh meant from yuh nebulous comment... yuh seemed to be implying that Liverpool fans fickle for praising Dalglish in December and calling for his head now. Of course there are perfectly reasonable reasons for that... 1) being that it very well could be different sets of fans who were vocal then as opposed to now; 2) being that he's failed.. plain and simple. LFC fans no different from Arsenal or Chelsea fans. So again... what is your point? Keep that salt to season the shit yuh talking.
Shit talk you say? I made a simple statement, which is FACT! And some how it rub you the wrong way and come calling me out to explain what I meant by it? Every club manager I am sure goes through a period where supporters either love them or hate them...rightly or wrongly is not my concern...I saw an opportunity to make a jab at all yuh, now that "my team" is safely in 3rd spot and you guys are battling for 7th spot some 15pts behind. I had my fair share of Arsene is way past his sell by date and so on, so I am very entitled to "shit talk" about yuh "shit team" ;D
So when people going to start asking the questions about Dalglish???
I mean he has a much better squad of players at his disposal than Hodgson and Benitez (in his last year) and the team just not getting the results..
I think there is a stat that shows Dalglish's record to be identical if not worse than Hodgson.
How long 'King Kenny' going to get a bly?
"not getting the results"?? Liverpool just lost for the first time in eleven games... what "not getting the results" yuh talking about? In those eleven games they haven't allowed more than one goal in any game. Tonight they had a chance to tie a club record with their seventh straight win on the road... only the second time (1968) in club history that has ever been done. They played the two Manchester squads even and beat Arsenal and Chelsea. Other than that they drop points at home to the newly-promoted squads and get crush by Spurs at White Hart. On top of that he has the squad in the semis of the Carling Cup. Not getting the results?? I think yuh confusing him with Villas-Boas.
Dalgish job should not be safe....plain and simple. Bought British and it didn't work, and team is too far off the pace. The owners should be man enough to set him an ultimatum: CL next season, or you're out.
Doh let de 'faithful' hear yuh saying dem things nuh. Kenny was a great player and is a better man. As a manager it appears the game has passed him by, tactically there remains questions, his purchases, as you've outlined, fail to impress (Coates score a nice goal, but he's being targeted in defense even more than Carra) and frankly, I'm not even sure the players continue to be motivated by him. I agree with you, Top 4 next season, or else. That's not arrogance talking, for the kinda money we spent that is the least we should have to show for it.
;) :D
Big Up!
Post by: Bakes on March 26, 2012, 09:40:03 PM
Post by: kaliman2006 on March 29, 2012, 06:23:21 AM
Liverpool's flawed four
March 29, 2012
By Norman Hubbard
It is the best part of half a century since Merseyside's major exports were dubbed 'The Fab Four'. Now, in a city whose global fame owes as much to goals as guitars, another quartet are attracting attention, albeit in unwanted fashion. The gruesome foursome of Andy Carroll, Stewart Downing, Jordan Henderson and Charlie Adam are more beaten than Beatles. Directly or indirectly, many of Liverpool's failings can be traced back to them.
Expenditure increases expectations, a rule that only football managers appear unable to grasp and, after the cash-starved mediocrity of the previous two seasons, Liverpool committed an initial £78.5 million, potentially rising to £84.5 million, for the four failures.
As they find themselves with fewer points than at the equivalent stage of the last two campaigns, it seems expensive regression. That, in turn, reflects poorly on Kenny Dalglish and the whole policy of buying British. If the unanswered question is how that windfall should have been spent, an unarguable conclusion is simply "better".
It is a misguided spending spree that affects not just Liverpool's present but their future. If Dalglish is not trusted with more money by owners Fenway Sports Group, it is understandable. If Liverpool have to sell before they buy in the summer, they must take a hefty hit on supposed investments.
Analyse their failings on the field and most can be attributed to the less-than-fab four. To the fact that none seems to possess the temperament Liverpool require, the ability to prosper under scrutiny which is needed at Anfield. And Liverpool have been poor at home, winning only five league games.
That, in turn, is a consequence of a lack of goals. Luis Suarez is often identified as a culprit but the electric Uruguayan's tally of 12 would be less of an issue if Carroll had 15 or 20. Instead, the target man has a mere six. Now he has been demoted to the bench, Dalglish presumably concluding that, rather than complementing Suarez, he gets in the South American's way. When a side struggles to score, the sight of a £35 million forward among the replacements is an obvious symptom of poor recruitment.
A focus on the strikers, however, obscures the fact the midfielders contribute too few goals. Between them, Downing, Henderson and Adam have five in 110 games this season, and one of those was a penalty. In contrast, the under-used Maxi Rodriguez has four in his limited opportunities and Raul Meireles, shunted out of the back door, managed five in half a season under Dalglish last year. That Downing, a £20 million winger, has neither scored nor created a league goal is an extraordinary embarrassment.
The faith shown in all three calls Dalglish's judgment into doubt. Henderson is Liverpool's most used outfield player with Downing and Adam not far behind. Maxi, Craig Bellamy and Dirk Kuyt have been granted too few starts. That the Dutchman, arguably Liverpool's finest performer last season, was a substitute on the opening day while Carroll, Downing, Adam and Henderson all started seemed unfair. That Bellamy, monumental in the Carling Cup semi-final against Manchester City, was omitted for the showpiece smacked of favouritism.
Perhaps, for Dalglish, it was a quest for vindication, so his employers could see his signings deliver silverware. To others, it sent out the wrong sort of message: that Liverpool is no longer a meritocracy. The manager's preference is to discuss the side, rather than individuals, but collective responsibility protects the weakest links. And usually, they tend to be his expensive additions.
Moreover, attributing triumphs to the whole team is often incorrect. While, until recent setbacks, the defence was functioning well as a unit, Liverpool have been reliant upon individuals, whether Bellamy, Suarez or Steven Gerrard, for an injection of inspiration, drive or dynamism when attacking. With those notable exceptions, they lack pace going forward: signing four players of at best average speed - even though Dalglish strangely suggested Downing is both quicker and better than he thought when buying him - hardly helped.
PA PhotosAndy Carroll can no longer command a first-team place at Liverpool
It is important to consider the players jettisoned to make way for them. Few tears were shed when Joe Cole was loaned to Lille, but he is enjoying a better season than any of the quartet. More pertinently, the gifted Alberto Aquilani and Meireles, a qualified success at Anfield if not Stamford Bridge, were exiled for lesser talents in Adam and Henderson. The departed duo might have offered more penetrative passing.
The impression is that Dalglish did not believe the Portuguese was capable of shielding the back four. Yet Adam is no defensive midfielder - slow, a poor tackler and with questionable positional sense - while Liverpool appear unsure what Henderson, at fault for goals in the last two games, is. In a department where Gerrard and Lucas are vastly superior to the other alternatives, their injuries have disrupted Liverpool's season. But pricey understudies should have compensated better; instead, it seems the captain reins himself in, given added responsibility because of his colleagues' deficiencies.
It comes at a cost. Gerrard is one of the few matchwinners. Carroll, Downing, Henderson and Adam lack his capacity to control or determine a game. Despite a combined outlay of almost £80 million, it is doubtful if any have deserved to be Liverpool's man of the match once this season (Downing received the official award in the Carling Cup final, but Martin Skrtel would have been a worthier choice). Were they not at Anfield, it is hard to imagine any of them getting in the top five teams apart from in an injury crisis; in many situations, they would not even merit a place on the bench.
They are reasons, although Liverpool have won one trophy and could yet make it two, that this has been a wasted year in the league and a missed opportunity. The fall-out from the faulty foursome's purchase and poor performance could be considerable. Some fans blame Damien Comolli - although with his greater knowledge of European football, it is probable he also suggested candidates from the continent - but Dalglish is definitely diminished; partly by overseeing their arrival, partly by his rhetoric in defending them and partly by the way others have been elbowed aside to promote players who, simply, are not good enough for Liverpool.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story/_/id/1041734/norman-hubbard:-liverpool's-flawed-four?cc=5901
Post by: Tenorsaw on March 29, 2012, 08:04:25 AM
Post by: Bakes on March 29, 2012, 11:07:11 AM
Aside from that I think he being a bit harsh on Carroll... but stats doh lie, so hard to really protest. Everything else on point, on present form we waste a ton of money... and doh tell mih nutten about net spending either.
Post by: DeSoWa on March 30, 2012, 11:12:36 AM
(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/546363_338063482907533_175913989122484_837157_1257070198_n.jpg)
Big Up!
Post by: Bakes on March 30, 2012, 12:19:40 PM
Post by: boss on March 30, 2012, 12:52:40 PM
Post by: kaliman2006 on April 01, 2012, 08:10:47 AM
This season is a complete writeoff. The FA Cup and Carling Cup would be somewhat of a consolation.
Post by: D.H.W on April 01, 2012, 08:39:02 AM
Post by: Bakes on April 01, 2012, 10:47:19 AM
Newcastle 2-Liverpool 0. :banginghead:
This season is a complete writeoff. The FA Cup and Carling Cup would be somewhat of a consolation.
Those Cups count for NOTHING when you finish in 8th place, 30 points off the pace. This is an absolute disgrace.
Post by: Deeks on April 01, 2012, 02:23:04 PM
Post by: triniairman on April 01, 2012, 02:31:03 PM
Did not see the game. Was it at Anfield?. Surprised at the score.Newcastle is not that bad a team. They have two good strikers and Ben Arfa and Tiote is top class players. I did not see the game, but Newcastle could match any of those top teams on their good day.
Post by: Bakes on April 01, 2012, 02:43:28 PM
Did not see the game. Was it at Anfield?. Surprised at the score.
2-0 at St. James Park.
Post by: elan on April 01, 2012, 04:07:05 PM
Post by: kaliman2006 on April 01, 2012, 04:47:38 PM
Kenny at Liverpool = Latapy at T&T ???
Not quite. Kenny does have managerial experience, three first division titles and two FA cups with Liverpool back in the 80s. He even won a premier league title with Blackburn (which he helped secure promotion back into the English top flight in 1991) in 1995, which was quite a feat.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenny_Dalglish#Liverpool_2
Kenny's problem is that the game has changed a lot since then and he is stuggling to cope with these changes and has made errors in his signings.
Post by: Bitter on April 10, 2012, 02:23:13 PM
Post by: kaliman2006 on April 10, 2012, 02:26:11 PM
Kenny wish he had a Balotelli on he side right now to distract from these results...
Liverpool want ah bush bath...
Post by: Bakes on April 10, 2012, 02:28:32 PM
Post by: Bakes on April 10, 2012, 02:54:11 PM
Post by: Bitter on April 10, 2012, 02:55:25 PM
Post by: boss on April 12, 2012, 03:57:53 AM
http://t.co/pDj5deJy
Post by: rotatopoti3 on April 12, 2012, 06:12:42 AM
sounds better doesn't it?
Post by: Bakes on April 12, 2012, 06:26:52 AM
Post by: Tenorsaw on April 12, 2012, 07:10:16 AM
Post by: boss on April 12, 2012, 08:05:17 AM
no comolli left due to family commitments.....LOL ;D
sounds better doesn't it?
"Mutual consent" is my favourite :beermug:
Post by: boss on April 12, 2012, 09:08:16 AM
Post by: boss on April 12, 2012, 09:19:35 AM
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/werner-on-comolli-departure
Post by: Tenorsaw on April 12, 2012, 09:20:19 AM
BBC Sports Correspondent, Dan Roan: I can confirm that Liverpool's Head of Sports Medicine & Science Peter Brukner has also left the club :beermug:
Damn, the clearout start. Didn't he just join like 2 years ago?
Post by: boss on April 12, 2012, 09:30:38 AM
Damn, the clearout start. Didn't he just join like 2 years ago?
Yep http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/team/first-team/staff/peter-brukner :beermug:
Post by: boss on April 12, 2012, 11:20:40 AM
Post by: boss on April 12, 2012, 11:25:06 AM
Post by: Bakes on April 12, 2012, 11:43:32 AM
Wondering if they'll go for another Sporting Director or let Kenny oversee this area? Not comfortable with giving him full reign; his British acquisitions have been woeful this season.
Dalglish come out and say that all the transfers were his ideas... Comolli just executed the strategy of getting them after he (KD) targeted them. That, and Werner say that they want a different transfer strategy, taking decision-making out of one person's hand, although not ruling out replacing Comolli with someone else, although no one has been identified as a replacement yet.
I'd say that statment's just about as clear as mud.
Post by: Tenorsaw on April 12, 2012, 02:37:52 PM
Wondering if they'll go for another Sporting Director or let Kenny oversee this area? Not comfortable with giving him full reign; his British acquisitions have been woeful this season.
Dalglish come out and say that all the transfers were his ideas... Comolli just executed the strategy of getting them after he (KD) targeted them. That, and Werner say that they want a different transfer strategy, taking decision-making out of one person's hand, although not ruling out replacing Comolli with someone else, although no one has been identified as a replacement yet.
I'd say that statment's just about as clear as mud.
Ah guess they studying how to offload all that crap on hand right now: Adam, Downing, and Carroll. Will give Henderson a chance; he is young. Carroll is young too, but he might be struggling with the weight of being a 35 mil man.
Post by: rotatopoti3 on April 12, 2012, 07:51:48 PM
Post by: Tenorsaw on April 12, 2012, 08:08:27 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17698239
Liverpool target Johan Cruyff for senior role following Comolli's exit
Johan Cruyff is among the names being targeted by Liverpool after Damien Comolli's departure as director of football, BBC Sport understands.
Reds owners Fenway Sports Group (FSG) have yet to draw up a definitive shortlist to replace Comolli.
But the Dutchman, 64, has impressed FSG chief John W Henry in his senior roles with Ajax and Chivas in Mexico.
Cruyff, who coaches the Catalan representative side, has also recently stepped down from a role with Ajax.
While FSG do not intend to radically alter the structure of the club, they are keen to bring in a respected name who can operate in a role that will both assist manager Kenny Dalglish, while overseeing the recruitment and scouting of players.
Txiki Begiristain, the former Barcelona director of football, is also well thought of, while Louis van Gaal, who has been out of work since being sacked as coach of Bayern Munich in April last year, has indicated he would consider the position were he to be approached.
Liverpool were unavailable for comment after a day of departures from Anfield.
Sources close to Comolli indicated that he had been stunned by his sudden dismissal, having been informed by Henry and chairman Tom Werner late on Tuesday night. The Liverpool players were then told at a hastily arranged meeting at the Melwood training ground the next morning.
Commoli's dismissal appeared to signal the first stage of a backroom overhaul. The sports science team assembled by Christian Purslow, during his spell as managing director under Tom Hicks and George Gillett Jr, is also to be dismantled, with Peter Brukner, the head of sports science, leaving the club.
Kenny Dalglish was, however, told he continues to enjoy the "full support" of the club's owners.
"We've got great confidence in Kenny," Werner said. "We feel the team is going to make strides in the future."
Cruyff, who was on a supervisory board at the Amsterdam Arena, stepped down from his role after a long-running feud with Ajax directors and fellow board members.
He won a court battle in February overturning the appointments of Van Gaal and Martin Sturkenboom against his wishes.
The supervisory board quit after losing the case, and Cruyff eventually resigned on Wednesday with an agreement in place for choosing a new board.
Ajax said in a statement that Cruyff will "remain involved with the implementation of his football vision within the club".
Post by: rotatopoti3 on April 12, 2012, 11:02:53 PM
Post by: Bakes on April 12, 2012, 11:38:31 PM
Post by: rotatopoti3 on April 13, 2012, 02:04:55 AM
Agreed, they will lock horns but there is certainly a respect and admiration amongst both of them working for a better cause....(a la Liverpool)....
...I think Kenny and Cruyff can work together....
Post by: Tenorsaw on April 13, 2012, 09:25:35 AM
How de blank they go bring in ah man like Cruyff to 'help' Kenny? If Cruyff come Kenny will (justifiably) be looking over he shoulder. Just hire Cruyff as manager and call it George.
Better than van Gaal
Post by: Bitter on April 14, 2012, 05:57:40 AM
Post by: kaliman2006 on April 14, 2012, 05:59:08 AM
Arsenal-ish defending!
Yep, Carragher has been a great servant for Liverpool, but he is not up to it anymore. This is a well-deserved lead for Everton.
Post by: Tenorsaw on April 14, 2012, 06:09:44 AM
Post by: kaliman2006 on April 14, 2012, 06:38:43 AM
Post by: Bitter on April 14, 2012, 06:53:11 AM
Post by: kaliman2006 on April 14, 2012, 06:53:20 AM
Composed finish from Suarez. 1-1.
Post by: Bitter on April 14, 2012, 07:19:01 AM
Carroll earning his money this game
Post by: boss on April 14, 2012, 07:26:01 AM
:beermug: Buh-bye, Everton :beermug:
Carroll definitely needs to be more clinical, but other than the chances he didn't put away, I thought he had an excellent match. Probably his best in a red shirt.
On to the cup final and a strong end to the season :beermug:
Post by: Bakes on April 14, 2012, 08:39:19 AM
Now coming online to say Carragher now declining to shithong status. He needs to retire. This is mistake # what for the season from him?
Blame Carra... or Dalglish? Not sure wth going on with Kenny line-ups. Anyways, no FSC in the hotel room and I di'n feel like putting up with buffering feeds just to get my pressure up early in the morning. Glad to see the club proved me wrong and took proper advantage. On to the finals now.
Post by: Observer on April 15, 2012, 10:25:13 AM
On another note that was one of the worst displays of football I have seen in a long time. No technical quality, smash and grab football at its best.
Post by: Tenorsaw on April 16, 2012, 10:25:20 AM
First, congratulations to Liverpool fans.
On another note that was one of the worst displays of football I have seen in a long time. No technical quality, smash and grab football at its best.
So it go with the derbies sometimes. Yuh could tell that there was some nerves starting off. The Wembley atmosphere just adds to that too. I though 'Pool showed more purpose in the 2nd half. Good impact subs by Dalgish.
Post by: kaliman2006 on April 16, 2012, 11:20:33 AM
First, congratulations to Liverpool fans.
On another note that was one of the worst displays of football I have seen in a long time. No technical quality, smash and grab football at its best.
So it go with the derbies sometimes. Yuh could tell that there was some nerves starting off. The Wembley atmosphere just adds to that too. I though 'Pool showed more purpose in the 2nd half. Good impact subs by Dalgish.
Agreed. Sometimes teams have to be able to win ugly.
Post by: kaliman2006 on April 16, 2012, 01:55:41 PM
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Dalglish admits mistakes on Suarez
April 16, 2012
By ESPN staff
Liverpool manager Kenny Dalglish has admitted he would 'do things differently' if a situation similar to that involving Luis Suarez's ban arose again.
Kenny Dalglish speaks to ESPN
In an exclusive interview with ESPN, the Liverpool boss said that the controversy surrounding the Uruguayan's ban this season had prompted him to think about how he would handle such a scenario in the future.
"I think it would be done completely differently. If it ever happened again, and I hope it wouldn't, it would be done completely differently," the Scot said.
"I wouldn't go saying anything publicly about what I would do differently, but I know what I would do differently. I would address that. If I have done something wrong, I'm not shy in saying I have done something wrong, and if I can do something better I will try and do it better. I think everybody can look at themselves and say 'I could do things much better', and that's what I'll try and do, I certainly hope I wouldn't do things any worse."
The Suarez incident was one of a number of issues discussed by Dalglish, amongst them Liverpool's league form. Despite winning the Carling Cup and now being in the FA Cup final, the Anfield outfit's league displays have fallen short this season.
"There's nobody within Liverpool Football Club that would say the latest run of Premier League games is what we would expect or want, and that's a guideline for us that we want to follow," said Dalglish.
"We want to reach much higher than that and we're capable of going much higher than that, and it's a disappointment for everybody involved. If you're being criticised then fine, you deserve to be, because we're not producing what we should have produced."
Asked what would constitute success under his tenure, Dalglish added: "Seeing the club move forward, and that's not judged purely on cups and results, there are a lot of things that go into that. Yes you want to improve on the pitch and be better, but you want to move the club forward, to where it was before."
Other subjects touched on by Dalglish included the signings of Andy Carroll and Jordan Henderson, and the recent exit of Damian Comolli from Anfield.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1049935/liverpool%27s-kenny-dalglish-admits-mistakes-on-luis-suarez?cc=5901
Post by: kaliman2006 on April 22, 2012, 10:59:30 AM
If I were the Liverpool top brass, I would give King Kenny one season to shape up or ship out. Nothing is wrong with buying local, but you have to buy well. Your signings are simply not good enough. I am getting tired of this...
Post by: Bakes on April 22, 2012, 11:40:02 AM
Post by: kaliman2006 on April 22, 2012, 11:47:55 AM
Look I didn't even bother... Knicks playing de Hawks on ESPN.
Well I guess at least one Merseyside club showed some gumption today...
Post by: kaliman2006 on April 22, 2012, 11:53:50 AM
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Hodgson oversees smash-and-grab
Roy Hodgson's West Brom completed the ultimate smash-and-grab raid to record their first win at Anfield for 45 years as Liverpool dominated but dropped yet more points at home.
Had the hosts converted all their chances they would probably have made it into double figures but their season-long goalscoring problems cost them dearly once again.
Baggies manager Hodgson, sacked by Liverpool in January last year after a disappointing six months in charge, will no doubt have taken great satisfaction on his first return to his former club.
Kenny Dalglish, the man who replaced him, will be wondering what his side have to do solve their problems in front of goal after twice hitting the woodwork and having a penalty claim rejected in addition to numerous other opportunities.
But having not broken West Brom's resistance there was always the risk of punishment and it was duly delivered by Peter Odemwingie 15 minutes from time.
Liverpool have now won just one Barclays Premier League game at home in 2012 and scored only six goals in seven matches, and have dropped 27 points at Anfield in the current campaign.
With diving back on the agenda after recent incidents involving Manchester United's Ashley Young, the spotlight was turned on Maxi Rodriguez in the most contentious incident of the first half.
The Argentinian did appear to be caught by Billy Jones as he flicked the ball past him on the edge of the six-yard area but referee Neil Swarbrick waved away penalty appeals.
But Liverpool, without the injured Steven Gerrard, should not have had to rely on the official for a helping hand after a number of chances went begging.
Their previous nine draws and two defeats at home were a direct result of them failing to convert and the first half was almost a re-run of games gone by.
Players seemed to be queuing up to squander opportunities as dominance in possession failed to lead to an end product.
Dirk Kuyt, whose future at Anfield has been the subject of much speculation this week, set the tone in the 10th minute by dragging a shot wide when he had to at least hit the target.
Luis Suarez's cross-shot failed to either test goalkeeper Ben Foster or find a team-mate in the six-yard area and when he did have a shot parried by Foster, the rebound was blazed over by Rodriguez.
In between there was the penalty appeal before Carroll headed wide, Suarez nodded a looping effort on to the roof of the net and Daniel Agger had a close-range shot turned behind.
West Brom were restricted to two chances but had it not been for the brilliance of Jose Reina, returning after a three-match suspension, they would have been ahead.
The Spain international produced an instinctive one-handed save low to his left to stop Chris Brunt's 28th-minute volley before blocking Liam Ridgewell's shot when Graham Dorrans' corner dropped in the six-yard area.
If anything it got worse after half-time as the visitors' defence came under siege yet was never beaten, although that was often down to luck as much as design.
Jordan Henderson began the onslaught by smashing a shot against the crossbar with Foster well beaten, Suarez produced a trademark weaving run along the byline before firing over with Rodriguez also volleying into the Kop from another Carroll knockdown.
Kuyt continued the theme with a shot deflected onto a post by Ridgewell and Carroll both volleyed and headed over.
The Baggies' goal was leading a charmed life with Foster saving from Suarez, Carroll falling over as he tried to force home the rebound and Jay Spearing's shot blocked by Brunt on the line all in the same move before Henderson fired into the side-netting.
But the 75th minute brought the sucker punch which Reds fans who have watched similar games at Anfield this season were probably expecting.
Glen Johnson's attempts to wriggle out of a tight spot deep on the right of defence saw him give the ball away to Mulumbu, who played in Odemwingie to shoot past Reina.
It was only the Baggies' second goal in 12 visits to Anfield - the last coming when Garth Crooks scored in a 4-1 defeat in 1985 - but if Hodgson felt a degree of smugness he did well to hide it as he sat unmoved on the bench.
Still Liverpool's onslaught continued, with Jonas Olsson blocking a certain goal for Carroll and Foster claiming Suarez's narrow-angle shot at the second attempt, and at the final whistle an understandable air of disbelief wafted around Anfield.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/report?id=317990&cc=5901
Post by: Tenorsaw on April 22, 2012, 01:31:12 PM
Look I didn't even bother... Knicks playing de Hawks on ESPN.
I just check the score. As I said, I am in favor of Dalgish going. Legend or no legend. There are some very good coaches available: Rafa, Juergen Klopp (he may not leave as Dortmund are in CL again), even Villas-Boas (I feel he going to Inter). The league performance has been abject, and even an FA cup win should not spare him from being accountable for this season's debacle.
Post by: Tenorsaw on April 22, 2012, 01:31:44 PM
Look I didn't even bother... Knicks playing de Hawks on ESPN.
I just check the score. As I said, I am in favor of Dalgish going. Legend or no legend. There are some very good coaches available: Rafa, Juergen Klopp (he may not leave as Dortmund are in CL again), even Villas-Boas (I feel he going to Inter). The league performance has been abject, and even an FA Cup win should not spare him from being accountable for this season's debacle.
Post by: boss on April 22, 2012, 03:22:19 PM
I just check the score. As I said, I am in favor of Dalgish going. Legend or no legend. There are some very good coaches available: Rafa, Juergen Klopp (he may not leave as Dortmund are in CL again), even Villas-Boas (I feel he going to Inter). The league performance has been abject, and even an FA Cup win should not spare him from being accountable for this season's debacle.
That's really interesting. I have overwhelmingly fond memories of Rafa's time at Liverpool, but I don't want him back. :beermug:
Post by: boss on April 28, 2012, 12:12:52 PM
(Suarez's 3rd here: http://www.101greatgoals.com/gvideos/golazo-luis-suarez-3-liverpool-v-norwich/)
Post by: Tenorsaw on April 28, 2012, 12:13:28 PM
Post by: kaliman2006 on April 28, 2012, 12:20:04 PM
Damn, Suarez is daring. What a way to cap a hattrick.
That was simply disrespectful from Suarez.
Funny, considering that Suarez missed an easier chance fifteen minutes earlier.
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on April 28, 2012, 12:57:57 PM
he may be a racist bastard but he is quality ;D
Post by: Tenorsaw on April 28, 2012, 01:37:51 PM
Quality player... he would have been perfect for United .. mobility, technique , fighting spirit.. after the cup I started following him during a few Ajax games and to be honest was gutted when Pool got him
he may be a racist bastard but he is quality ;D
Word is that Sir Alex was interested in Suarez after the World Cup, but not sure if he really followed through with any contact with agent or club. Plus, he had already bought Chiquarito, who was coming off a solid Cup. Maybe, he didn't want to stock up on miniature-sized forwards, although Suarez offers a bit more than just finishing prowess. Probably a bit craftier than Chiquarito, who is more of a penalty box type of player.
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on April 28, 2012, 02:01:11 PM
Quality player... he would have been perfect for United .. mobility, technique , fighting spirit.. after the cup I started following him during a few Ajax games and to be honest was gutted when Pool got him
he may be a racist bastard but he is quality ;D
Word is that Sir Alex was interested in Suarez after the World Cup, but not sure if he really followed through with any contact with agent or club. Plus, he had already bought Chiquarito, who was coming off a solid Cup. Maybe, he didn't want to stock up on miniature-sized forwards, although Suarez offers a bit more than just finishing prowess. Probably a bit craftier than Chiquarito, who is more of a penalty box type of player.
His name was mentioned but we are also linked with alot of attacking players... the thing I liked about him was his variation..can play main or 2nd striker in a 4-4-2 .. or wide in a 4-2-3-1 and interchange across the 3
He would have been ideal towards European football with that variation .. but Berba was on form, Rooney was the main man and Chicharito was making a huge impact in his debut season .. and with Welbeck to come in the summer he probably thought we were fine in the department
Can't win them all.. interesting summer for basically every major club
Post by: Tenorsaw on April 28, 2012, 05:53:01 PM
Quality player... he would have been perfect for United .. mobility, technique , fighting spirit.. after the cup I started following him during a few Ajax games and to be honest was gutted when Pool got him
he may be a racist bastard but he is quality ;D
Word is that Sir Alex was interested in Suarez after the World Cup, but not sure if he really followed through with any contact with agent or club. Plus, he had already bought Chiquarito, who was coming off a solid Cup. Maybe, he didn't want to stock up on miniature-sized forwards, although Suarez offers a bit more than just finishing prowess. Probably a bit craftier than Chiquarito, who is more of a penalty box type of player.
His name was mentioned but we are also linked with alot of attacking players... the thing I liked about him was his variation..can play main or 2nd striker in a 4-4-2 .. or wide in a 4-2-3-1 and interchange across the 3
He would have been ideal towards European football with that variation .. but Berba was on form, Rooney was the main man and Chicharito was making a huge impact in his debut season .. and with Welbeck to come in the summer he probably thought we were fine in the department
Can't win them all.. interesting summer for basically every major club
Yep... I expect Man U to spend about 50 mil pounds. Chelsea like they already start, and Man City keep complaining that they not deep enough, which is simply f*cking ridiculous. Plus, tight-wad Wenger will be forced by the Arsenal board to open up his checkbook, and 'Pool have some house cleaning to do. Then, Real always want man players, Bayern might add a few, and PSG done have they 100 million shopping list. Juve need a big target man, Milan need to add something as Pato going PSG, I feel. Plus, Inter need to bring in some young blood. :beermug:
Post by: Bakes on April 29, 2012, 10:10:19 AM
As for Suarez, I'm not going to nitpick, but for as much as there was to cheer about his game yesterday, there were other examples of what has ailed him the entire season, including poor decision-making and finishing. The last goal was simply audacious... incredible cheekiness to attempt, and great technique to execute. Lost in all of that was how poor of a decision it was to try it... when you had Gerrard streaking all alone in space frantically calling for the pass. It was a two-one for the Reds with the defender caught in space and uncommitted. But he scored, so he'll be spared any scrutiny for that decision... just as he'll be for the ridiculous chip he attempted over Ruddy from 15 yards.
The team is playing much better... easily could have been six, with the bar stopping one goal, Shelvey getting flummoxed from point blank by a divot and Suarez going for the chip one on one with the keeper from inside the box. Makes for an intriguing match up against Chelsea in the FA Cup with both teams playing well. Torres score 4 goals in 120 mins and people ready to say he back on form... we'll see. But no denying that his confidence must be up.
Post by: rotatopoti3 on April 30, 2012, 06:32:06 AM
Chelsea iz favourites but yuh never know....we could win on PK's....
Post by: Bakes on April 30, 2012, 01:51:09 PM
now is probably the worst time to be playing Chelsea for d FACUP..dem fellas firing on all cylinders ...iz like d Chelsea of d past..
Chelsea iz favourites but yuh never know....we could win on PK's....
PKs my ass... Chelsea ain't shit. We taking that title 2-0 or 2-1 (seeing how we hardly keeping clean sheets).
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Kaliman that article nearly a month old.
Post by: kaliman2006 on April 30, 2012, 01:55:36 PM
now is probably the worst time to be playing Chelsea for d FACUP..dem fellas firing on all cylinders ...iz like d Chelsea of d past..
Chelsea iz favourites but yuh never know....we could win on PK's....
PKs my ass... Chelsea ain't shit. We taking that title 2-0 or 2-1 (seeing how we hardly keeping clean sheets).
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Kaliman that article nearly a month old.
Thanks. I didn't realize.
Post by: Bakes on April 30, 2012, 02:05:42 PM
Thanks. I didn't realize.
Some of the criticism still valid... but no doubt the team has been playing better of late. We so inconsistent this season though that that likely to change any minute. Kenny still deserve a chance to come back next season though, give him 'til January at least to show improvement. If we sign Rasmus and de Jong as being rumored, it very well could be that we improve.
Post by: rotatopoti3 on April 30, 2012, 02:12:47 PM
Ah like yuh attitude Bakes... ;D...Come Gerrard show up and Buss D Net!!
Post by: rotatopoti3 on April 30, 2012, 10:42:18 PM
Monday 30th April 2012 21:29
Liverpool are closing in on the signing of 24-year-old Swedish star Rasmus Elm, according to reports in the Netherlands.
Manager Kenny Dalglish and chief scout Steve Hitchen travelled to Feyenoord on Sunday to see the AZ Alkmaar midfielder play, according to Dutch newspaper De Telgraaf.
However Elm didn't play in the game after becoming a father the night before.
It is thought that the midfielder will cost Liverpool around 7million euros (£5.7million), and the club hope to complete a deal before he heads to Euro 2012 with Sweden in the summer.
Wonder how hard was it for the chief scout Hitchen tuh make ah call and find out if d fella was playing??
Post by: elan on May 01, 2012, 02:06:54 PM
Post by: kaliman2006 on May 01, 2012, 02:10:37 PM
Real uninspired
To be fair, this is a changed lineup, since the FA Cup final is coming up on Saturday.
However, I really can't see any difference between this performance and so many other insipid ones this season.
Post by: Bakes on May 01, 2012, 02:15:04 PM
Real uninspired
Big deal *shrug*
We playing ah entire bench team, with the exception of Skrtel in defense, and arguably Carroll up top. How much game this side play together... other than small goal knock after practice?
Post by: Bakes on May 01, 2012, 02:18:07 PM
Post by: elan on May 01, 2012, 02:25:06 PM
Real uninspired
Big deal *shrug*
We playing ah entire bench team, with the exception of Skrtel in defense, and arguably Carroll up top. How much game this side play together... other than small goal knock after practice?
It's not a criticism, just an observation....sheesh
Post by: Bakes on May 01, 2012, 02:34:02 PM
It's not a criticism, just an observation....sheesh
...and mine is an observation in response to your "observation"... sheesh ::)
Post by: MEP on May 01, 2012, 02:37:19 PM
Post by: kaliman2006 on May 01, 2012, 02:41:47 PM
Anfield is no longer the fortress it once was.
Post by: Bakes on May 01, 2012, 02:44:11 PM
Post by: Deeks on May 01, 2012, 03:19:23 PM
Post by: boss on May 01, 2012, 03:21:48 PM
Dalglish is an imps.....it's only Tuesday ....enough time to rest for Saturday play your best team go into the final with your morale up... I only vex because Suarez is the captain on meh fantasy team
It's the same Gameweek tonight as the hat trick this past weekend. Don't be greedy ;D :beermug:
Post by: D.H.W on May 01, 2012, 04:24:03 PM
As a Manu fan, never underestimate Liverpool!
If Liverpool play all d games the same way they play against us, they would be title contenders
Post by: Mango Chow! on May 01, 2012, 06:17:25 PM
As a Manu fan, never underestimate Liverpool!
If Liverpool play all d games the same way they play against us, they would be title contenders
Dat word, "if", it like a bullet. such a small entity but caryin' so much weight. ::)
Post by: DeSoWa on May 08, 2012, 01:22:07 PM
Big Up!
Post by: Bakes on May 08, 2012, 01:26:28 PM
I don't like the player...but my lord, I really enjoy how Suarez does nutmeg everybody with ease. I think he is the best at it! :beermug:
Big Up!
Terry will be having twins for Suarez in 9 months... although it look like he done start having contractions already.
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Rumor has it that Torres on de pitch?
Post by: DeSoWa on May 08, 2012, 01:32:50 PM
I don't like the player...but my lord, I really enjoy how Suarez does nutmeg everybody with ease. I think he is the best at it! :beermug:
Big Up!
Terry will be having twins for Suarez in 9 months... although it look like he done start having contractions already.
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Rumor has it that Torres on de pitch?
I don't even know who is in goal for Liverpool, the camera has not reach that far as yet lol
Big Up!
Post by: kaliman2006 on May 08, 2012, 01:33:05 PM
I agree with the commentators that Chelsea should not bank on beating Bayern in two weeks.
This is not helping Di Matteo's case...
Post by: Blue on May 08, 2012, 01:33:51 PM
Post by: kaliman2006 on May 08, 2012, 01:36:56 PM
gwan Liverpool lol
Considering Liverpool's season, Chelsea could come back into this match.
El Nino just rattled the crossbar.
Post by: Blue on May 08, 2012, 01:39:49 PM
gwan Liverpool lol
Considering Liverpool's season, Chelsea could come back into this match.
El Nino just rattled the crossbar.
I stop watching after 3....I just glad we left everyone important in London, time to rest up for Munich.
Feel a bit sorry for Terry though, he's been playing every 3 days for the last month on cracked ribs, I sure he must be feeling a lil fed up lol.
Post by: kaliman2006 on May 08, 2012, 01:50:01 PM
Post by: Bakes on May 08, 2012, 02:08:20 PM
gwan Liverpool lol
Hey, we'll take it... Chelsea might have prevailed in the Cup but if not for a couple inches in Liverpool's favor things mighta been different and today it woulda been Chelsea scrapping to salvage something from this domestic season. Allyuh better pray allyuh beat Bayern.
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Just noticed the new logo on the Liverpool shirts and was curious...
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2012/05/08/liverpool-fc-to-wear-new-logo-seeing-is-believing-against-chelsea-to-promote-sponsors-standard-chartered-s-global-charity-100252-30920595/
Post by: Bakes on May 08, 2012, 02:10:01 PM
gwan Liverpool lol
Considering Liverpool's season, Chelsea could come back into this match.
El Nino just rattled the crossbar.
And now Ramires juss belly in a goal...
Post by: Tenorsaw on May 08, 2012, 02:20:58 PM
gwan Liverpool lol
Hey, we'll take it... Chelsea might have prevailed in the Cup but if not for a couple inches in Liverpool's favor things mighta been different and today it woulda been Chelsea scrapping to salvage something from this domestic season. Allyuh better pray allyuh beat Bayern.
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Just noticed the new logo on the Liverpool shirts and was curious...
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2012/05/08/liverpool-fc-to-wear-new-logo-seeing-is-believing-against-chelsea-to-promote-sponsors-standard-chartered-s-global-charity-100252-30920595/
Don't understand why Chelsea would not come gunning for this match, considering that they will find it hard to win at Bayern.
Post by: kaliman2006 on May 08, 2012, 02:21:29 PM
Post by: D.H.W on May 08, 2012, 02:26:08 PM
gwan Liverpool lol
Hey, we'll take it... Chelsea might have prevailed in the Cup but if not for a couple inches in Liverpool's favor things mighta been different and today it woulda been Chelsea scrapping to salvage something from this domestic season. Allyuh better pray allyuh beat Bayern.
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Just noticed the new logo on the Liverpool shirts and was curious...
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2012/05/08/liverpool-fc-to-wear-new-logo-seeing-is-believing-against-chelsea-to-promote-sponsors-standard-chartered-s-global-charity-100252-30920595/
Don't understand why Chelsea would not come gunning for this match, considering that they will find it hard to win at Bayern.
I confused also.
Post by: boss on May 10, 2012, 02:05:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lliZ7fhJ5QI&feature=youtu.be
Unconfirmed, but this is probably it:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/577550_329454873793065_217204028351484_812993_951371159_n.jpg)
Post by: Bakes on May 10, 2012, 02:23:46 PM
Post by: boss on May 10, 2012, 02:32:11 PM
Post by: elan on May 10, 2012, 04:14:28 PM
Post by: Bakes on May 10, 2012, 04:20:09 PM
Post by: Tenorsaw on May 11, 2012, 08:58:56 AM
Video for the Warrior kit launch tonight :beermug:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lliZ7fhJ5QI&feature=youtu.be
Unconfirmed, but this is probably it:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/577550_329454873793065_217204028351484_812993_951371159_n.jpg)
Hadn't bought the kit since they changed over from Reebok, and bought them this year. That looking nice though. I believe Warrior is a subsidiary of New Balance, so they ain't go gape. They are a household name in lacrosse and ah guess they looking to make a breakthrough in football. NESV love to stick to their New England connection eh? Watch this deal: it is pure New England alliance.
Post by: boss on May 13, 2012, 10:39:49 AM
Post by: kaliman2006 on May 13, 2012, 10:45:36 AM
8th place and a Carling Cup. Good riddance to 2011/12 :beermug:
Dalglish should be given one season to at least move Liverpool to Europa League contention (at the very worst). If Newcastle can get a Europa league place, I don't see why Liverpool can't.
Post by: Bakes on May 13, 2012, 11:01:15 AM
Dalglish should be given one season to at least move Liverpool to Europa League contention (at the very worst). If Newcastle can get a Europa league place, I don't see why Liverpool can't.
We already in Europa next year on the basis of the Carling Cup win... although we have to start in the third round since we didn't finish at least fifth in the PL, and didn't win the FA Cup.
Post by: kaliman2006 on May 13, 2012, 11:12:26 AM
Dalglish should be given one season to at least move Liverpool to Europa League contention (at the very worst). If Newcastle can get a Europa league place, I don't see why Liverpool can't.
We already in Europa next year on the basis of the Carling Cup win... although we have to start in the third round since we didn't finish at least fifth in the PL, and didn't win the FA Cup.
Point taken. I should have clarified my post. I wrote it on the basis of the worst case scenario where Liverpool get eliminated from the Europa League and have to end up qualifying on the basis of its form in the English cup competitions and the Premier League.
Post by: triniairman on May 15, 2012, 08:49:45 PM
Post by: Bakes on May 15, 2012, 10:30:13 PM
Rumour has it that Dalglish has quit the club late today and the bosses would like to employ Wigan's Roberto Martinez as the new coach.. If this happens.. I think he will do a great job with more money at his disposal.. Once again, this was something I read off a Fox soccer app that I got, so it's possible it can be a Rumour.
The Daily Star reported that they wanted Martinez (who Villa supposedly after as well), but it hasn't been substantiated that Kenny's job is in danger. He's was in Boston from Sunday meeting with ownership though, to discuss his future. From what I've read, he wasn't summoned, but went in person to deliver a season-end report, as well as to get clarification for himself.
Things in a state of flux though... they haven't given him any assurances that he'll be back. Also, no Director of Football means we don't have anyone to negotiate contracts with transfer targets, and the window opens in just over a month. So them taking their time to give him an answer and to replace Damien Comolli, in my mind, doesn't bode well for him.
But nah, he eh resign... yet.
Post by: Tenorsaw on May 16, 2012, 08:48:03 AM
Rumour has it that Dalglish has quit the club late today and the bosses would like to employ Wigan's Roberto Martinez as the new coach.. If this happens.. I think he will do a great job with more money at his disposal.. Once again, this was something I read off a Fox soccer app that I got, so it's possible it can be a Rumour.
The Daily Star reported that they wanted Martinez (who Villa supposedly after as well), but it hasn't been substantiated that Kenny's job is in danger. He's was in Boston from Sunday meeting with ownership though, to discuss his future. From what I've read, he wasn't summoned, but went in person to deliver a season-end report, as well as to get clarification for himself.
Things in a state of flux though... they haven't given him any assurances that he'll be back. Also, no Director of Football means we don't have anyone to negotiate contracts with transfer targets, and the window opens in just over a month. So them taking their time to give him an answer and to replace Damien Comolli, in my mind, doesn't bode well for him.
But nah, he eh resign... yet.
Supposedly, Dalgish was offered a seat on the board again and he refused. He has not gotten assurances from the owners about his longterm future as manager and that is how the visit ended. This is a sticky situation, as Femway know that they are walking on eggshells here. How do they replace Dalgish without enraging the section of fans that think he should be given more time? Martinez is supposedly the bookies' favorite to succeed Dalgish, with Rafa a close second. There's even been talk about the two working in tandem, but I can't see either of the two agreeing to that, especially Rafa. Statement will be released by Friday, supposedly.
Post by: boss on May 16, 2012, 09:16:51 AM
Post by: triniairman on May 16, 2012, 09:33:15 AM
Thanks....I get the feeling you all will have a new manager soon though. Dalglish spent alot on players and did not even finish in a Champions league spot. I can't see the board being too happy with that. Some say he should get more time, but me being a neutral on this being a Man.U fan and all think he got it wrong with some of the players he brought in and the kind of money he spent for them. I guess we will know soon enough if he gets to keep his position as manager.Rumour has it that Dalglish has quit the club late today and the bosses would like to employ Wigan's Roberto Martinez as the new coach.. If this happens.. I think he will do a great job with more money at his disposal.. Once again, this was something I read off a Fox soccer app that I got, so it's possible it can be a Rumour.
The Daily Star reported that they wanted Martinez (who Villa supposedly after as well), but it hasn't been substantiated that Kenny's job is in danger. He's was in Boston from Sunday meeting with ownership though, to discuss his future. From what I've read, he wasn't summoned, but went in person to deliver a season-end report, as well as to get clarification for himself.
Things in a state of flux though... they haven't given him any assurances that he'll be back. Also, no Director of Football means we don't have anyone to negotiate contracts with transfer targets, and the window opens in just over a month. So them taking their time to give him an answer and to replace Damien Comolli, in my mind, doesn't bode well for him.
But nah, he eh resign... yet.
Post by: Tenorsaw on May 16, 2012, 09:38:28 AM
The Mirror is reporting he's gone
So is ESPN Soccernet
Post by: DeSoWa on May 16, 2012, 09:40:41 AM
The Mirror is reporting he's gone
So is ESPN Soccernet
BBC sports also announced that he has left the club!
Big Up!
Post by: dinho on May 16, 2012, 09:47:22 AM
From a non-footballing perspective, he should also be held to account for his reaction to and handling of the Suarez affair. The Liverpool brand took a serious dent from that whole scene.
Dalglish leaving for me is the right conclusion.
Post by: Bakes on May 16, 2012, 09:56:01 AM
The Mirror is reporting he's gone
So is ESPN Soccernet
Yeah, it's official... and warranted. He's not up to scratch this time around. Cue Roberto Martinez.... or long shot, Brendan Rogers
Post by: Tenorsaw on May 16, 2012, 09:57:36 AM
On a purely footballing basis, Liverpool's performance this season was unacceptable and Dalglish should be held chiefly responsible. If Hodgson wasn't good enough with worse players and less financial backing at his disposal then Dalglish certainly hasn't been good enough.
From a non-footballing perspective, he should also be held to account for his reaction to and handling of the Suarez affair. The Liverpool brand took a serious dent from that whole scene.
Dalglish leaving for me is the right conclusion.
Hard pill to swallow, but removing the emotional admiration for the legend that is Dalgish at 'Pool as a player and manger, he has to be accountable. The British experiment failed miserably. We're stuck with some pretty mediocre players on our books, and we need to be more competitive. Eight spot in the EPL is not good enough for a club as big as 'Pool, and that is the reality.
Post by: Tenorsaw on May 16, 2012, 09:58:51 AM
The Mirror is reporting he's gone
So is ESPN Soccernet
Yeah, it's official... and warranted. He's not up to scratch this time around. Cue Roberto Martinez.... or long shot, Brendan Rogers
Martinez for me. He finally found the right balance between style and substance late season, and Wigan did some real damage. You could say Man U's demise started with their loss at Wigan.
Post by: boss on May 16, 2012, 10:00:29 AM
http://t.co/3kp96Iki
Post by: kev on May 16, 2012, 10:01:34 AM
The Mirror is reporting he's gone
So is ESPN Soccernet
Yeah, it's official... and warranted. He's not up to scratch this time around. Cue Roberto Martinez.... or long shot, Brendan Rogers
No real surprise, if had won the FA Cup maybe he would of been safe. But football hasn't been good, neither results.
It is also a bit to do with the Suarez affair and his handling of it and his handling of the media in general, don't think the sponsors were at all happy.
Post by: triniairman on May 16, 2012, 10:11:00 AM
Reds part company with manager after poor league displays
By Graeme Bailey - Tweet me: @skygraemebailey. Last Updated: May 16, 2012 4:43pm
Sky sources understand Liverpool have parted company with manager Kenny Dalglish, with Wigan's Roberto Martinez favourite to replace him.
Dalglish returned to Liverpool in January 2011 as caretaker under new owners Fenway Sports Group and was then appointed on a three-year permanent deal last summer.
After spending £35million on Andy Carroll, he then invested a further £80million last summer, but Premier League results have been poor and despite a Carling Cup final success, it was their worst league campaign since the 1950s.
The Reds lost the FA Cup final to Chelsea and ended up finishing eighth in the league, below city rivals Everton.
After Dalglish flew to America earlier this week to meet the club's owners, a decision has been made to part ways and it is understood that FSG already have targets in mind.
Sky Sports understands that Wigan boss Martinez is top of their list of targets and the man who turned Aston Villa down last summer could find it hard to shun a switch to Anfield.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11669/7760662/Liverpool-axe-Dalglish?dcmp=Facebook_KennySacked
Post by: Cocorite on May 16, 2012, 10:11:54 AM
Gerard is a boss player
Post by: JDB on May 16, 2012, 10:18:11 AM
Post by: Tenorsaw on May 16, 2012, 10:30:47 AM
Post by: Tenorsaw on May 16, 2012, 10:40:32 AM
Post by: kaliman2006 on May 16, 2012, 11:07:51 AM
It is unfortunate given that Kenny has actually won First Division titles with Liverpool and won the Premier League with Blackburn in 1995 (or it could be 1996).
However, I respect the ownership's decision.
Post by: Bakes on May 16, 2012, 11:15:28 AM
I'd take Rafa back; he'd be off and running seamlessly, but Martinez is just waiting for a big job. He has overachieved at Wigan.
Same at Swansea before that.
Post by: JDB on May 16, 2012, 11:15:41 AM
Coming from a small club, Martinez will face a lot of the same problems that Hodgson faced with the fans. I just don’t see Liverpool fans being patient enough to accept a transition year or two under Martinez, especially when they could reference the “return to good football” and return to silverware that Dalglish just give them.
Based on his time at Wigan Martinez is a patient manager. At Wigan Whelan give him complete faith every single year no matter how perilous things get and what he wants the players to do on the field takes time to develop. The only criticism I would have of him as a manager is a failure to find/spot good strikers.
Post by: JDB on May 16, 2012, 11:23:36 AM
His reponse to the sacking was scathing.
“Very, very disappointed at the sacking”
“I think it’s a premature stupid act that leaves a shell of a club”
“No chief executive, no manager, no director of communications, no director of football”
“Liverpool football club has a heritage and tradition which seems to have gone out the window”
“To sack the second most important figure in the club’s history and not keep a connection is beyond the pale”
That is what the next Liverpool manager will be dealing with. People with a pro-Dalglish agenda wanting to be proved right about their opposition to the sacking.
Post by: Tenorsaw on May 16, 2012, 12:03:11 PM
I'd take Rafa back; he'd be off and running seamlessly, but Martinez is just waiting for a big job. He has overachieved at Wigan.
Same at Swansea before that.
Was concerned for Swansea when he left, but Rogers has done quite a good job as his replacement. Martinez would definitely come to Anfield, if approached.
Post by: boss on May 16, 2012, 12:10:23 PM
But I think Tony Evans makes the key point here:
“No chief executive, no manager, no director of communications, no director of football”
No one knows what the owners are thinking/doing re. structure and key personnel. Most notably, how has MD Ian Ayre managed to keep his job? HE is the person most culpable for the Suarez reaction as far as I'm concerned. Yes, Dalglish's public statements were embarrassing, and he was rightly taken to task for that, but the whole thing reeked of a lack of leadership (t-shirts, statements on the website, to name two examples). The honeymoon is over for these owners, and their next moves will be critically important. They don't have much time to fill these roles before Europa League qualifying. :beermug:
EDIT: As for who I want to replace him: Marcelo Bielsa. Sorry if I don't share the Martinez-love. :beermug:
Post by: Tenorsaw on May 16, 2012, 12:35:20 PM
Personally, I would have given Dalglish some more time; at least half a season. However, there is no argument that the results haven't been good enough, so even if I don't agree, it's an understandable decision.
But I think Tony Evans makes the key point here:“No chief executive, no manager, no director of communications, no director of football”
No one knows what the owners are thinking/doing re. structure and key personnel. Most notably, how has MD Ian Ayre managed to keep his job? HE is the person most culpable for the Suarez reaction as far as I'm concerned. Yes, Dalglish's public statements were embarrassing, and he was rightly taken to task for that, but the whole thing reeked of a lack of leadership (t-shirts, statements on the website, to name two examples). The honeymoon is over for these owners, and their next moves will be critically important. They don't have much time to fill these roles before Europa League qualifying. :beermug:
EDIT: As for who I want to replace him: Marcelo Bielsa. Sorry if I don't share the Martinez-love. :beermug:
Bielsa is good, but there's always a question mark when a foreign manager moves to the EPL. This league is a different beast. I'd really like Juergen Klopp, but Dortmund flying right now, so would be tough to tempt him away from there. In retrospect, everyone is saying that AVB was the man for the job, and might have been in the picture last year, hence the owners drawn out wait before dropping the "interim" tag from Dalgish's title. Word is that he's going to Roma.
Post by: Bakes on May 16, 2012, 06:05:05 PM
Was concerned for Swansea when he left, but Rogers has done quite a good job as his replacement. Martinez would definitely come to Anfield, if approached.
I like Rogers, he's a progressive manager and prefers a beautiful brand of football... but I think we can have the same, plus some more seasoning with Martinez.
The diehards will gripe about the sacking, but hard to argue with the facts (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1186101-out-of-touch-and-out-of-time)
Post by: dinho on May 17, 2012, 01:41:20 PM
I think that would be a good fit, Martinez has clear ideas about how he wants his teams to play and is able to get players on board. Considering the sub-standard players he has at Wigan I think he did really well to even keep them in the league 2 years running. When Franco Di Santo is yuh go to forward and yuh still pulling off wins then credit is due.
I also biased for that signing because hopefully he take his backroom staff with him which would mean Dennis Lawrence would be a Liverpool assistant coach.
And if the planets align properly, Steve Clarke will leave and come back home to Chelsea.
Post by: Bakes on May 17, 2012, 05:49:01 PM
Post by: JDB on May 18, 2012, 05:46:21 AM
The Spaniard has never managed a club where there is pressure to win trophies and secure a Champions League place but he has the qualities to overcome his lack of experience
Paul Wilson
guardian.co.uk, Thursday 17 May 2012 22.30 BST
At a superficial level it is easy to see why a manager like Roberto Martínez would appeal to Liverpool's American owners. Unlike the suspicious, tetchy manager they have just sacked, Martínez is young, good-looking and smiles a lot, plays brilliantly to the camera and can put a positive spin on anything from Antolín Alcaraz spitting at an opponent to Wigan Athletic losing eight matches on the trot.
Wigan's incredible recovery in the last couple of months has alerted many people to the abilities of their manager, and the Fenway Sports Group cannot fail to have noticed that three of the points vital to the Latics' survival were gained at Anfield, but losing eight matches in succession would not normally recommend a managerial candidate to Liverpool, and nor would flirting with relegation for most of the season then pulling out of the nose dive in admittedly impressive style.
Most clubs other than Wigan would have parted company with Martínez at an early point in the January transfer window, when he had supervised a mere three wins in 19 games, just one of them at home. The fact that he was retained to see the job through at the DW Stadium is a testament to the trust and patience of Dave Whelan, Wigan's owner, as well as the enormous self-belief Martínez himself brings to his work, but Wigan are not exactly typical of Premier League clubs. The last quarter of the season may have been be a good advertisement for Martínez's potential, but the first three-quarters at any other club would have denied him the opportunity even to be mentioned as a possible successor to Kenny Dalglish.
It goes without saying that Liverpool would not put up with eight-match losing runs either, probably not even half that many defeats in a row, and that leads naturally to another problem Martínez might face. If there are significant numbers among the Anfield support who believe Dalglish was harshly treated or should have had longer, and there are, then the most reliable way for the club to silence any doubters would be to bring in someone with an impeccable and up to date winning pedigree. José Mourinho may be out of reach, but Pep Guardiola would fit the bill handsomely.
No one could argue with that, not even Dalglish's most loyal allies. But if you go for someone who has never won a title before, someone with no experience of taking a team into Europe, of making big money signings or dealing with the very top tier of footballers, you are asking for trouble if things do not immediately go well. Roy Hodgson was quickly made to realise he had come to Liverpool from a small club, and that Anfield wanted no part of what was perceived as his small club mentality. Yet Wigan are much smaller than Fulham and, far from taking his unfashionable outfit all the way to a Europa League final, as Hodgson did two years ago, all Martínez has actually managed is to lead his side out of the bottom three for the second season in a row, this time a little earlier than the last.
While no one could deny that Wigan made a great escape this season, not that much of their football has been great, and the total of 62 goals conceded was nine goals higher than Aston Villa's. Liverpool will like the way a Martínez team tries to play, and from that point of view he makes a good fit with Anfield tradition, but he will need to become more pragmatic at the top level or find himself a decent defence coach. Martínez famously turned down Villa this time last year, a decision just about vindicated by Wigan finishing one place above them in the league table, but a manager cannot afford to be so cavalier about an offer from Liverpool. Turn down Liverpool, and you would be unlikely to escape the stigma for the rest of your career.
This may not be the ideal time to take the Liverpool job, what with too much money having already been spent and a dangerous amount of affection still adhering to Dalglish, but were it an ideal time a manager with Martínez's cv would be lucky to get in the frame. In making public their interest Liverpool appear to be indicating their willingness to take a risk on a personable young man with most of his career still ahead of him. Should the offer be made concrete Martínez will have little choice but to accept and take a risk of his own, even if he has private reservations or would have preferred another season or so at Wigan. The same applies to Brendan Rodgers, the Swansea manager, who has also been sounded out.
But the very top jobs do not come around very often and Martínez has not only proved he is not the type to shy away from a challenge, he has gone a long way to demonstrating there is substance to his personal belief that any challenge can be surmounted. He will not get a bigger challenge than the one currently waving at him from Merseyside, and as long as Liverpool can learn to be patient he may even be an inspired choice.
He has more Premier League experience than Rodgers, and if, as it appears, Liverpool are willing to gamble on a manager from the lower end of the table rather than one who has won titles and medals, they surely cannot expect an instant return. It would be unfair to appoint either Martínez or Rodgers and demand Champions League qualification next season, though both men, given the time that was denied Dalglish, could not only get there eventually but do so in style.
Post by: Tenorsaw on May 18, 2012, 11:47:38 AM
Guardian reporting that Liverpool after Pep (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/17/liverpool-pep-guardiola-roberto-martinez)... along with Klopp and Deschamps.
Men saying the owners and mgmt. ain't know what they want, but think it is really a case of trying to hire a manager for the long haul. They are casting a big net, looking at all options. They don't want this to be another stop-gap appointment. The fact that they've even considered Guardiola, who I think will stick to his word and take time away from the game, speaks volume to the ambition and desire to get things right at Liverpool. Seems like people in the UK interpreting their desire to make contact and interview more than one candidate as a sign of indecision, but how do you really know what are the plans and longterm ambitions of the candidates, and whether they are in sync with the "Liverpool Way"?
Post by: kaliman2006 on May 18, 2012, 12:10:18 PM
Guardian reporting that Liverpool after Pep (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/17/liverpool-pep-guardiola-roberto-martinez)... along with Klopp and Deschamps.
While the pressure at Liverpool will not be as intense as managing at Barcelona, I doubt that Pep will reconsider his decision to step away from the game for a bit.
Post by: Mango Chow! on May 18, 2012, 02:45:23 PM
I doubt that Pep will reconsider his decision to step away from the game for a bit.
....especially to manage this shit side.
Post by: boss on May 18, 2012, 02:57:34 PM
....especially to manage this shit side.
Amazing. Your team is in the Champions League final in less than 24 hours and you're still obsessed with Liverpool. It's very flattering, thank you.
For the record, Liverpool played Chelsea 4 times this past season, and the "shit side" won 3.
Post by: Mango Chow! on May 18, 2012, 03:34:57 PM
....especially to manage this shit side.
Amazing. Your team is in the Champions League final in less than 24 hours and you're still obsessed with Liverpool. It's very flattering, thank you.
For the record, Liverpool played Chelsea 4 times this past season, and the "shit side" won 3.
My team being in the Champions' League final affords me the high ground to look down and surf the threads of the lower regions for a few hours and comment as I see fit. I'm sure even for the most ardent liverpool faithful, them 3 wins over Chelsea are worth as much right now as a bucket of sand. Let's exchange them and that Carling Cup for our 1 victory and the FA Cup, shall we?
...But going back to the real reason I posted in the first place: Pep Guardiola not comin' to coach this shit side so allyuh doh need to get allyuh hopes up with all the "chatter" about liverpool approaching him and even if he does boungce he head and come and coach allyuh, he would be in the same position Obama was when he came into office: takin' the controls of a train wreck.
Post by: Bakes on May 18, 2012, 04:09:46 PM
Guardian reporting that Liverpool after Pep (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/17/liverpool-pep-guardiola-roberto-martinez)... along with Klopp and Deschamps.
Men saying the owners and mgmt. ain't know what they want, but think it is really a case of trying to hire a manager for the long haul. They are casting a big net, looking at all options. They don't want this to be another stop-gap appointment. The fact that they've even considered Guardiola, who I think will stick to his word and take time away from the game, speaks volume to the ambition and desire to get things right at Liverpool. Seems like people in the UK interpreting their desire to make contact and interview more than one candidate as a sign of indecision, but how do you really know what are the plans and longterm ambitions of the candidates, and whether they are in sync with the "Liverpool Way"?
Dem jackass in England looking for any excuse to cast stones at "the Americans"... like all the decision making being done in Boston without the input of actual football people there in England. Idiots.
Post by: boss on May 18, 2012, 04:47:23 PM
Dem jackass in England looking for any excuse to cast stones at "the Americans"... like all the decision making being done in Boston without the input of actual football people there in England. Idiots.
This is not about xenophobia; this is about holding the owners of a football club to account. That's all. If English owners were in charge and the club found itself with no Director of Football, Chief Executive, Director of Communications, AND Manager, the reaction would be the same. (I'm talking about reaction from supporters themselves - forget the shit in newspapers).
Post by: boss on May 18, 2012, 04:49:45 PM
I'm sure even for the most ardent liverpool faithful, them 3 wins over Chelsea are worth as much right now as a bucket of sand. Let's exchange them and that Carling Cup for our 1 victory and the FA Cup, shall we?
??? What? Why would we do that? Anyway, I'm bored of this. For what it's worth, good luck tomorrow. :beermug:
Post by: kaliman2006 on May 18, 2012, 04:55:48 PM
I doubt that Pep will reconsider his decision to step away from the game for a bit.
....especially to manage this shit side.
Every organization has its peaks and valleys. I am old enough to remember when Chelsea was not the Chelsea of today.
Always remember Chelsea had to wait fifty years before winning the English league title. Liverpool still has another forty-eight years to go before getting to the level of torture and mediocrity that Chelsea had to endure.
Post by: Mango Chow! on May 18, 2012, 05:01:36 PM
I doubt that Pep will reconsider his decision to step away from the game for a bit.
....especially to manage this shit side.
Every organization has its peaks and valleys. I am old enough to remember when Chelsea was not the Chelsea of today.
Always remember Chelsea had to wait fifty years before winning the English league title. Liverpool still has another forty-eight years to go before getting to the level of torture and mediocrity that Chelsea had to endure.
I know that all too well, jed. I jes gettin' kicks and rubbin' a lil' salt in liverpool fans wounds the same way liverpool fans does come and trow salt in we eye, horse, is really not even a big deal like some men makin' it out to be. Men jes need to lighten up and take a joke.
Post by: kaliman2006 on May 18, 2012, 05:21:08 PM
I doubt that Pep will reconsider his decision to step away from the game for a bit.
....especially to manage this shit side.
Every organization has its peaks and valleys. I am old enough to remember when Chelsea was not the Chelsea of today.
Always remember Chelsea had to wait fifty years before winning the English league title. Liverpool still has another forty-eight years to go before getting to the level of torture and mediocrity that Chelsea had to endure.
I know that all too well, jed. I jes gettin' kicks and rubbin' a lil' salt in liverpool fans wounds the same way liverpool fans does come and trow salt in we eye, horse, is really not even a big deal like some men makin' it out to be. Men jes need to lighten up and take a joke.
Fair enough. It is not always easy to tell in cyberspace whether or not things are said in jest.
:beermug:
Post by: Mango Chow! on May 18, 2012, 05:26:36 PM
I doubt that Pep will reconsider his decision to step away from the game for a bit.
....especially to manage this shit side.
Every organization has its peaks and valleys. I am old enough to remember when Chelsea was not the Chelsea of today.
Always remember Chelsea had to wait fifty years before winning the English league title. Liverpool still has another forty-eight years to go before getting to the level of torture and mediocrity that Chelsea had to endure.
I know that all too well, jed. I jes gettin' kicks and rubbin' a lil' salt in liverpool fans wounds the same way liverpool fans does come and trow salt in we eye, horse, is really not even a big deal like some men makin' it out to be. Men jes need to lighten up and take a joke.
Fair enough. It is not always easy to tell in cyberspace whether or not things are said in jest.
:beermug:
99.999999999999999 per cent of my posts are written in jest. Just for the record.
Post by: Bakes on May 18, 2012, 07:50:08 PM
Dem jackass in England looking for any excuse to cast stones at "the Americans"... like all the decision making being done in Boston without the input of actual football people there in England. Idiots.
This is not about xenophobia; this is about holding the owners of a football club to account. That's all. If English owners were in charge and the club found itself with no Director of Football, Chief Executive, Director of Communications, AND Manager, the reaction would be the same. (I'm talking about reaction from supporters themselves - forget the shit in newspapers).
Well I don't why you would reply to what I said talking about supporters when I am specifically talking about the media, but even so you are seriously deluded if you think xenophobia plays no part in what you're reading/hearing.
Post by: Big Magician on May 19, 2012, 12:11:13 AM
you can also be "YOUNG" enough
Post by: Bakes on May 19, 2012, 12:40:11 AM
Jurgen Klopp
Roberto Martinez
Andre Villas-Boas
Jose Mourinho
Pep Guardiola
Michael Laudrup
Post by: Tenorsaw on May 20, 2012, 06:45:33 PM
Brendan Rodgers
Jurgen Klopp
Roberto Martinez
Andre Villas-Boas
Jose Mourinho
Pep Guardiola
Michael Laudrup
Add Frank De Boer to that list. Supposedly admired for how fast he turned things around at Ajax. Not sure how much yuh could believe The Sun though. Oh, and Capello supposedly showing interest now. Might all be gossip to sell tabloids. Yuh know how it goes in England.
Post by: Bakes on May 20, 2012, 07:52:33 PM
Brendan Rodgers
Jurgen Klopp
Roberto Martinez
Andre Villas-Boas
Jose Mourinho
Pep Guardiola
Michael Laudrup
Add Frank De Boer to that list. Supposedly admired for how fast he turned things around at Ajax. Not sure how much yuh could believe The Sun though. Oh, and Capello supposedly showing interest now. Might all be gossip to sell tabloids. Yuh know how it goes in England.
Nah ah think yuh hear right... Guardian mention them two names as well, but discounting Capello on account of age and supposed lack of interest on his part.
EDIT:
Aaapss... De Boer say he not interested.
Post by: JDB on May 21, 2012, 07:27:07 AM
Guardian reporting that Liverpool after Pep (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/17/liverpool-pep-guardiola-roberto-martinez)... along with Klopp and Deschamps.
Men saying the owners and mgmt. ain't know what they want, but think it is really a case of trying to hire a manager for the long haul. They are casting a big net, looking at all options. They don't want this to be another stop-gap appointment. The fact that they've even considered Guardiola, who I think will stick to his word and take time away from the game, speaks volume to the ambition and desire to get things right at Liverpool. Seems like people in the UK interpreting their desire to make contact and interview more than one candidate as a sign of indecision, but how do you really know what are the plans and longterm ambitions of the candidates, and whether they are in sync with the "Liverpool Way"?
Dem jackass in England looking for any excuse to cast stones at "the Americans"... like all the decision making being done in Boston without the input of actual football people there in England. Idiots.
I actually like the way that FSG approaching this interview process. Very much like the NFL process. No secrets about who being interviewed and looking at plenty people.
It is alien to British Football though where yuh just have backroom meetings with the top target then move on down the line if he turn yuh down.
I agree that there is a lot of xenophobia involved in the criticisms of FSG. The first thing yiuh does hear is “not football people”, the next does be “over there in America/Boston/New England”.
And right now it is very veiled. Let them hire somebody who start off bad or end up in a worse postion than Kenny and the Spirit of Shankly and Liverpool Press Corp will be gunning for them mercilessly.
Post by: Bakes on May 21, 2012, 12:59:09 PM
I actually like the way that FSG approaching this interview process. Very much like the NFL process. No secrets about who being interviewed and looking at plenty people.
It is alien to British Football though where yuh just have backroom meetings with the top target then move on down the line if he turn yuh down.
I agree that there is a lot of xenophobia involved in the criticisms of FSG. The first thing yiuh does hear is “not football people”, the next does be “over there in America/Boston/New England”.
And right now it is very veiled. Let them hire somebody who start off bad or end up in a worse postion than Kenny and the Spirit of Shankly and Liverpool Press Corp will be gunning for them mercilessly.
I understand some of the concerns with publicly identifying candidates, it puts the candidates and their clubs in a tough place. On the one hand as a candidate you don't want to seem too interested and end up causing bad feelings with your club management and supporters, worse yet if yuh chase the job and end up getting blank. On the other hand who wouldn't want a chance to manage a bigger club, and possibly strengthen yuh negotiating position with yuh current club as well?
I think LFC should do their level best to not comment on who's in the running from who's not. And yeah, much of the criticism, whether folks want to acknowledge it as xenophobia or not, stems from the fact that LFC has American ownership... the press seems to look for any excuse to paint them as absentee owners, or otherwise disconnected from how things are done in England. That may be true of the business side of things, but from a footballing standpoint it is obvious that things are being handled by Ayre in Liverpool.
Post by: Tenorsaw on May 21, 2012, 03:45:38 PM
Post by: Bakes on May 21, 2012, 04:09:55 PM
Post by: Tenorsaw on May 22, 2012, 07:40:14 AM
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/sport/football/liverpool-planning-a-shock-move-for-spurs-boss-harry-redknapp-7778124.html
Post by: Bakes on May 22, 2012, 10:51:43 AM
The saga continues...now Redknapp in the mix?
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/sport/football/liverpool-planning-a-shock-move-for-spurs-boss-harry-redknapp-7778124.html
I'd really be surprised if there was any truth to this.
Post by: Tenorsaw on May 22, 2012, 03:23:56 PM
The saga continues...now Redknapp in the mix?
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/sport/football/liverpool-planning-a-shock-move-for-spurs-boss-harry-redknapp-7778124.html
I'd really be surprised if there was any truth to this.
Buddy from London sent that this morning. He's a Spurs fan. I think he was just trying to add some humor.
Post by: Bakes on May 22, 2012, 04:49:34 PM
Post by: rotatopoti3 on May 23, 2012, 06:49:48 AM
Tuesday 22nd May 2012 Teamtalk UK
John Barnes believes Liverpool fans need to give the club's owners time to put together a coherent strategy for the club's long-term future.
Principal owner John Henry and Tom Werner head Fenway Sports Group's quest to find a successor to Kenny Dalglish, sacked as manager last week.
However, they are also undertaking a re-structuring at Anfield which will see a technical director, among others, put in place to ensure a long-term strategy is developed and adhered to.
One fans' group the Spirit of Shankly, who led the protests against the despised former regime of Tom Hicks and George Gillett, have written to Henry and Werner asking for clear direction and communication to dispel a growing perception the club is "in disarray".
Barnes insists if FSG's decision-making is to set up Liverpool for their next chapter in history they have to get it right.
"If the club believes in a new philosophy then they need to stick with it, regardless of how well or badly we do in the short-term," he said.
"If it takes two, three or four years to fulfil the plan then we need to give the club time to realise it and make it happen.
"But it won't take as long as Liverpool fans have been waiting to see the team win the Premier League.
"Maybe if a system was put in place 20 years ago we wouldn't still be waiting to win our first title since 1990.
"If we keep changing the manager, the players or the system every one, two, three or four years, we could be waiting another 20 years to win the title too."
Liverpool are continuing to narrow down a list of potential candidates with a view to short-listing the key group for next week.
While this has always been FSG's plan their approach is causing consternation in some quarters as it appears to the outside world that the selection process is drifting, allowing continued media speculation.
Spirit of Shankly tried to address the matter in their letter, which said: "From the outside it looks like a football club in disarray.
"Confusion and chaos seems to reign and no one is coming out of this with much credit, particularly the football club's image and brand.
"We need clear and pro-active communication, a confident message about the club's plans that breeds confidence amongst supporters that we are moving in the right direction.
"Instead, we have silence and a lack of information or understanding on decisions being made.
"As supporters we have seen all too clearly what a lack of communication from absentee owners leads to.
"We find ourselves experiencing deja vu, where boardroom decisions lead to more questions than they answer."
Barnes, however, urged fans to give FSG time to put together a coherent strategy.
"It's time to support the owners because they want to return Liverpool to a team that competes for the biggest trophies," he told liverpoolfc.tv.
"It's not necessary for fans to know the inner workings of any football club because we don't know the inner workings of any business.
"I'm sure in the next week or two or three, it will become more apparent how we intend to move forward when a new manager is unveiled.
"I understand fans frustrations but if everyone is giving 100% then you need to be patient."
Barnes believes a new far-reaching strategy is the key to Liverpool competing against vastly-richer and more successful clubs in the future.
"I don't think Liverpool have had a philosophy of how we want to play," he added.
"They've seen which players have done well at other clubs and then gone out and bought them and hoped that it works and a lot of the time it hasn't.
"With your own philosophy you don't need to necessarily look at the best players in the world - players Liverpool might not be able to afford.
"Rather you can go out and buy a player who will do a better job in your team than they do in their current side but it may not cost you a lot of money.
"Now Liverpool are at a stage where they can't get all the best players in the world so what do you do?
"You come up with a system and a vision of how you want your team to play.
"They may not be able to get [Lionel] Messi but they can get very good players and with a proper system, which I'm sure the new manager will introduce, they can be successful."
Post by: Tenorsaw on May 23, 2012, 08:02:11 AM
Add former Bayern manager Louis Van Gaal to the mix... for a senior managerial position (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/22/louis-van-gaal-liverpool). My personal take is that having him in the mix kinda negates them bringing in a seasoned manager, as such a manager might bristle at having to share responsibilities with him. So much then for the Capello (and certainly Redknapp) talk. I think it will come down to AVB and Martinez, with Martinez having the upper hand... just a feeling.
Some valid points. Van Gaal is a safety net for if this next managerial appointment fails; he'll just come down and coach the team, if need be. Can't see men like Rafa, Capello, or Redknapp working with him though. They are too strong of personalities.
Post by: Bakes on May 23, 2012, 09:15:26 PM
Add former Bayern manager Louis Van Gaal to the mix... for a senior managerial position (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/22/louis-van-gaal-liverpool). My personal take is that having him in the mix kinda negates them bringing in a seasoned manager, as such a manager might bristle at having to share responsibilities with him. So much then for the Capello (and certainly Redknapp) talk. I think it will come down to AVB and Martinez, with Martinez having the upper hand... just a feeling.
Some valid points. Van Gaal is a safety net for if this next managerial appointment fails; he'll just come down and coach the team, if need be. Can't see men like Rafa, Capello, or Redknapp working with him though. They are too strong of personalities.
Not surprisingly... there's is word that interest in AVB might be waning (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/23/liverpool-andre-villas-boas).
Post by: Tenorsaw on May 24, 2012, 11:38:44 AM
Add former Bayern manager Louis Van Gaal to the mix... for a senior managerial position (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/22/louis-van-gaal-liverpool). My personal take is that having him in the mix kinda negates them bringing in a seasoned manager, as such a manager might bristle at having to share responsibilities with him. So much then for the Capello (and certainly Redknapp) talk. I think it will come down to AVB and Martinez, with Martinez having the upper hand... just a feeling.
Some valid points. Van Gaal is a safety net for if this next managerial appointment fails; he'll just come down and coach the team, if need be. Can't see men like Rafa, Capello, or Redknapp working with him though. They are too strong of personalities.
Not surprisingly... there's is word that interest in AVB might be waning (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/23/liverpool-andre-villas-boas).
Another twist: Van Gaal say he want the managerial post, cause he still itching to do the day-to-day coaching thing. I had ah feeling that was going to come out soon. Thought about it from the moment his name was mentioned for the director post.
Post by: Bakes on May 24, 2012, 01:39:44 PM
Another twist: Van Gaal say he want the managerial post, cause he still itching to do the day-to-day coaching thing. I had ah feeling that was going to come out soon. Thought about it from the moment his name was mentioned for the director post.
I not sure I want him running de show nah... and Liverpool better think twice about that appointment in a "senior managerial role" before they finalize it... and before they bring on a manager. Martinez supposedly vacationing in the Caribbean somewhere this week, so my guess is that the formal interview will likely happen before he goes back across the pond... if it is to happen that is.
Post by: Tenorsaw on May 24, 2012, 02:27:27 PM
Another twist: Van Gaal say he want the managerial post, cause he still itching to do the day-to-day coaching thing. I had ah feeling that was going to come out soon. Thought about it from the moment his name was mentioned for the director post.
I not sure I want him running de show nah... and Liverpool better think twice about that appointment in a "senior managerial role" before they finalize it... and before they bring on a manager. Martinez supposedly vacationing in the Caribbean somewhere this week, so my guess is that the formal interview will likely happen before he goes back across the pond... if it is to happen that is.
Whelan say Martinez flew in to Miami today to meet with Fenway. The ball is rolling. Thing with Van Gaal is that yuh know what yuh getting when yuh hire him: a strong, outspoken, and possible stubborn character. Beckenbauer said that much about him, but Bayern probably needed that kind of leadership at that point. He has basically ruled himself out of the sporting director position, as it would make things very uncomfortable for the new coach to know that the man upstairs wanted his job.
Post by: Bakes on May 24, 2012, 09:51:03 PM
Whelan say Martinez flew in to Miami today to meet with Fenway. The ball is rolling. Thing with Van Gaal is that yuh know what yuh getting when yuh hire him: a strong, outspoken, and possible stubborn character. Beckenbauer said that much about him, but Bayern probably needed that kind of leadership at that point. He has basically ruled himself out of the sporting director position, as it would make things very uncomfortable for the new coach to know that the man upstairs wanted his job.
Yeah, it's being reported in the British press now.
Revisiting the kit... I have to admit it kinda starting to grow on mih. I totally disagree with the badge change, not sure if this is just a throw-back year thing, but I prefer the "old" badge.
http://www.youtube.com/v/xryyfO_cVKc&feature=related
Post by: Tenorsaw on May 25, 2012, 09:34:38 AM
Whelan say Martinez flew in to Miami today to meet with Fenway. The ball is rolling. Thing with Van Gaal is that yuh know what yuh getting when yuh hire him: a strong, outspoken, and possible stubborn character. Beckenbauer said that much about him, but Bayern probably needed that kind of leadership at that point. He has basically ruled himself out of the sporting director position, as it would make things very uncomfortable for the new coach to know that the man upstairs wanted his job.
Yeah, it's being reported in the British press now.
Revisiting the kit... I have to admit it kinda starting to grow on mih. I totally disagree with the badge change, not sure if this is just a throw-back year thing, but I prefer the "old" badge.http://www.youtube.com/v/xryyfO_cVKc&feature=related
My kit on order. Warrior did a great job with this. Can't wait to see second and third kits. From the reviews, the only complaints came from the Hillsborough families who complained about not being consulted about moving the Hillsborough 96 emblem.
Update: So Martinez has reportedly asked for greater control over footballing affairs, which was the case at Wigan. From the sound of things and news reports, Fenway seems to be trying to adopt a structure where the manager really doesn't have much much input in transfers. That ain't go cut it. They need to understand that that GM / coach structure that applies to American sports cannot be adopted in its entirety in football. No way Martinez will let them just bring in players and say coach them. He obviously embraces a flowing style of play and would need the pieces to fill the puzzle.
Post by: Bakes on May 25, 2012, 03:23:30 PM
Update: So Martinez has reportedly asked for greater control over footballing affairs, which was the case at Wigan. From the sound of things and news reports, Fenway seems to be trying to adopt a structure where the manager really doesn't have much much input in transfers. That ain't go cut it. They need to understand that that GM / coach structure that applies to American sports cannot be adopted in its entirety in football. No way Martinez will let them just bring in players and say coach them. He obviously embraces a flowing style of play and would need the pieces to fill the puzzle.
Funny enough just yesterday I say tuh mihself is that self they trying to do. Honestly, I think there's merit to that model though... you need someone with the ability to spot talent, but you also need someone to make the tough call where finances are concerned... someone to push back when necessary.
Post by: Mose on May 25, 2012, 04:09:02 PM
Agreed. It's a situation that can work well if the manager/coach and GM can develop a good working relationship and understanding. E.g. coach/manager says I need this type of player and the GM goes out and makes it happen while consulting with the coach/manager on what he might have to give up to get it.Update: So Martinez has reportedly asked for greater control over footballing affairs, which was the case at Wigan. From the sound of things and news reports, Fenway seems to be trying to adopt a structure where the manager really doesn't have much much input in transfers. That ain't go cut it. They need to understand that that GM / coach structure that applies to American sports cannot be adopted in its entirety in football. No way Martinez will let them just bring in players and say coach them. He obviously embraces a flowing style of play and would need the pieces to fill the puzzle.
Funny enough just yesterday I say tuh mihself is that self they trying to do. Honestly, I think there's merit to that model though... you need someone with the ability to spot talent, but you also need someone to make the tough call where finances are concerned... someone to push back when necessary.
Post by: Bakes on May 25, 2012, 04:21:10 PM
Agreed. It's a situation that can work well if the manager/coach and GM can develop a good working relationship and understanding. E.g. coach/manager says I need this type of player and the GM goes out and makes it happen while consulting with the coach/manager on what he might have to give up to get it.
Exactly... when coach have too much pull yuh end up with Charlie Adam and Jordan Henderson on yuh hands fuh 27 million pounds.
Post by: Tenorsaw on May 25, 2012, 10:27:17 PM
Agreed. It's a situation that can work well if the manager/coach and GM can develop a good working relationship and understanding. E.g. coach/manager says I need this type of player and the GM goes out and makes it happen while consulting with the coach/manager on what he might have to give up to get it.
Exactly... when coach have too much pull yuh end up with Charlie Adam and Jordan Henderson on yuh hands fuh 27 million pounds.
That's why I qualified myseld by saying "in its entirety". There are obviously some good traits in such a set-up, as it removes the wanton fiscal irresponsibility that often occurs in the quest to recruit the best talent at all costs.
Post by: rotatopoti3 on May 28, 2012, 11:31:59 PM
Martinez -no way....Wigan barely avoided relegation....Only good thing iz that Dennis might get ah Bligh!!
Post by: Bakes on May 29, 2012, 04:43:59 AM
I want Guardiola as coach ...
Martinez -no way....Wigan barely avoided relegation....Only good thing iz that Dennis might get ah Bligh!!
You see the players Martinez had to work with at Wigan?? Yuh sounding like them English LFC fans, only dazzled by big name. Guardiola eh coaching nowhere next season, certainly not Liverpool.
Post by: kaliman2006 on May 29, 2012, 11:05:27 AM
May 29, 2012
By Harry Harris, Football Correspondent
Liverpool plan to make the announcement of their new manager on Friday, ESPN understands. They have whittled their list of candidates down to Wigan's Roberto Martinez and Swansea's Brendan Rodgers, after a thorough search for the right man to replace Kenny Dalglish.
Brendan Rodgers and Roberto Martinez
GettyImagesBrendan Rodgers and Roberto Martinez are favourites to land the Liverpool job.
Swansea chairman Huw Jenkins met Rodgers on Tuesday to discuss his future at the club, with Rodgers believed to be interested in discussing the Anfield job with the Reds' owners.
Wigan chairman Dave Whelan told ESPN that his manager is back in England but he is yet to speak to him. Informed that Liverpool are keen on Rodgers, Whelan said: "I hope they sign him but I have not heard from my manager yet."
Martinez had looked the clear favourite to be named Liverpool manager but his concerns over the mooted appointment of Louis van Gaal as sporting director, and his expected control over transfers, have swung a two-horse race back towards Rodgers.
However, Jenkins has shown marked reluctance to even grant Rodgers permission to speak to Liverpool, whereas Whelan has fulfilled his pledge to Martinez to allow him to go to a big club, should he wish to do so.
Amid growing speculation, Jenkins said of Rodgers on Monday: "We would like to confirm that there has been no contact from Liverpool and nothing has changed since our previous statement on the issue."
Fed up with the procrastinations of Liverpool, Whelan has given Martinez until Thursday to make his decision. Liverpool will take the next 48 hours to finalise their plans and an announcement is expected to be delivered on Friday.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1081630/liverpool-to-reveal-new-manager-on-friday?cc=5901
Post by: Mose on May 29, 2012, 11:18:56 AM
Post by: Tenorsaw on May 29, 2012, 08:31:37 PM
Interesting... I thought Rogers wasn't interested? ??? ??? ???
Looks like FSG doesn't want to make concessions to Martinez on footballing matters, so they tap back to Rogers. You can't realistically expect a manager to have little or no input in recruiting of players. Even Mourinho realized that, albeit belatedly, and he fought to get more control from Valdano, who eventually resigned.
Post by: DeSoWa on May 30, 2012, 09:59:56 AM
Big Up!
Post by: Bakes on May 30, 2012, 11:04:54 AM
Post by: Tenorsaw on May 30, 2012, 11:33:45 AM
Very disappointed with this hire... hope he proves my concerns to be unwarranted in the end.
Well, he's of the same mold as Martinez: insistent that his teams play attractive football from back to front. They were caught a few times this season being too cheeky; for example, the loss to Man U at Swansea was because they were trying to work the ball out of the back. Swansea have been a refreshing side to watch this season. He'll do much better at Liverpool. Another one of Mourinho's students who has branched out on his own and has done well. My only concern is his lack of European pedigree, and that is where a seasoned coach now sporting director will come in to put a hand over his shoulder and mentor him. This is obviously a long-run appointment, but I think the team will be fine. If this set-up fails to bring results in 5 years, there'll be calls for Fenway to sell the team to another group that can advance the club's ambitions.
Post by: JDB on May 30, 2012, 12:36:56 PM
Swansea do better this year than any of Martinez’s Wigan teams with Championship players. It will be interseting to see if Wigan’s end of season from was relegation battling or the sign that the players turn a corner.
One area where Rodgers appears better than Martinez is recruitment. Martinez show a real failure to get a decent striker in at Wigan for two years now, including wasting 6M on Boselli two years ago. A lot of Swansea is still Martinez players but Rodgers buying Graham this year was a much shrewder buy and Sigurdsson is better than any player that Martinez ever pick up (although Moses could prove to be as good over time).
Add the fact that Rodgers getting mostly British players to play ball while Martinez’ teamis mostly foreigners and Rodgers might be a better fit for turning around Liverpool’s current squad.
Post by: Tenorsaw on May 30, 2012, 02:13:01 PM
I like Martinez, and agree that he has done well with little to work with at Wigan but I not seeing how he much better than Rodgers based on their similar achievements.
Swansea do better this year than any of Martinez’s Wigan teams with Championship players. It will be interseting to see if Wigan’s end of season from was relegation battling or the sign that the players turn a corner.
One area where Rodgers appears better than Martinez is recruitment. Martinez show a real failure to get a decent striker in at Wigan for two years now, including wasting 6M on Boselli two years ago. A lot of Swansea is still Martinez players but Rodgers buying Graham this year was a much shrewder buy and Sigurdsson is better than any player that Martinez ever pick up (although Moses could prove to be as good over time).
Add the fact that Rodgers getting mostly British players to play ball while Martinez’ teamis mostly foreigners and Rodgers might be a better fit for turning around Liverpool’s current squad.
JDB, one of your best posts in a while. ;) Was thinking the same thing today: Rodgers brought a team up from Championship, didn't splash any cash last summer, and finished comfortably above Martinez, and he did it with a British core of players, playing a VERY attractive brand of football. I remember watching these fellas knock all Arsenal when they beat them at Liberty Stadium. I just shake my head and say this fella doing something right. Normally, Championship teams come up with a "not to lose" approach, rather than an "attack to win" stance, but this fellas was insistent on playing that brand of ball, and did not change his philosophy at all all season long.
Post by: Mose on May 30, 2012, 02:41:54 PM
Don't forget that Rodgers started with a squad that was already accustomed to playing that style under Martinez, while Martinez had to start over again at Wigan.I like Martinez, and agree that he has done well with little to work with at Wigan but I not seeing how he much better than Rodgers based on their similar achievements.
Swansea do better this year than any of Martinez’s Wigan teams with Championship players. It will be interseting to see if Wigan’s end of season from was relegation battling or the sign that the players turn a corner.
One area where Rodgers appears better than Martinez is recruitment. Martinez show a real failure to get a decent striker in at Wigan for two years now, including wasting 6M on Boselli two years ago. A lot of Swansea is still Martinez players but Rodgers buying Graham this year was a much shrewder buy and Sigurdsson is better than any player that Martinez ever pick up (although Moses could prove to be as good over time).
Add the fact that Rodgers getting mostly British players to play ball while Martinez’ teamis mostly foreigners and Rodgers might be a better fit for turning around Liverpool’s current squad.
JDB, one of your best posts in a while. ;) Was thinking the same thing today: Rodgers brought a team up from Championship, didn't splash any cash last summer, and finished comfortably above Martinez, and he did it with a British core of players, playing a VERY attractive brand of football. I remember watching these fellas knock all Arsenal when they beat them at Liberty Stadium. I just shake my head and say this fella doing something right. Normally, Championship teams come up with a "not to lose" approach, rather than an "attack to win" stance, but this fellas was insistent on playing that brand of ball, and did not change his philosophy at all all season long.
Post by: Tenorsaw on May 30, 2012, 02:58:16 PM
Don't forget that Rodgers started with a squad that was already accustomed to playing that style under Martinez, while Martinez had to start over again at Wigan.I like Martinez, and agree that he has done well with little to work with at Wigan but I not seeing how he much better than Rodgers based on their similar achievements.
Swansea do better this year than any of Martinez’s Wigan teams with Championship players. It will be interseting to see if Wigan’s end of season from was relegation battling or the sign that the players turn a corner.
One area where Rodgers appears better than Martinez is recruitment. Martinez show a real failure to get a decent striker in at Wigan for two years now, including wasting 6M on Boselli two years ago. A lot of Swansea is still Martinez players but Rodgers buying Graham this year was a much shrewder buy and Sigurdsson is better than any player that Martinez ever pick up (although Moses could prove to be as good over time).
Add the fact that Rodgers getting mostly British players to play ball while Martinez’ teamis mostly foreigners and Rodgers might be a better fit for turning around Liverpool’s current squad.
JDB, one of your best posts in a while. ;) Was thinking the same thing today: Rodgers brought a team up from Championship, didn't splash any cash last summer, and finished comfortably above Martinez, and he did it with a British core of players, playing a VERY attractive brand of football. I remember watching these fellas knock all Arsenal when they beat them at Liberty Stadium. I just shake my head and say this fella doing something right. Normally, Championship teams come up with a "not to lose" approach, rather than an "attack to win" stance, but this fellas was insistent on playing that brand of ball, and did not change his philosophy at all all season long.
True, but he's been at Wigan for three years. Shows how much time it takes to impart your philosophy throughtout a club structure. You're probably right, in that Rodgers inherited the squad more equipped to adopt his coaching philosophy and style of play. Steve Bruce doesn't really play attractive football, and Martinez was basically reconstructing that squad.
Post by: Bakes on May 30, 2012, 10:02:00 PM
True, but he's been at Wigan for three years. Shows how much time it takes to impart your philosophy throughtout a club structure. You're probably right, in that Rodgers inherited the squad more equipped to adopt his coaching philosophy and style of play. Steve Bruce doesn't really play attractive football, and Martinez was basically reconstructing that squad.
I was reading you and JDB post and wondering if allyuh crazy. I'd have to go back and check the roster, but I believe Mose is correct. We can all agree that Rodgers overachieved with Swansea. But again I ask... who has Martinez had? Look at Nzogbia and what he do for Villa this season? And he was supposedly (even I buy de hype) one of the best free agents this past off season. Rodallega? When last he do anything? Victor Moses is a decent player... Beausejour too... but he only join in January.
I mean heck... look at frigging madman Dave Whelan, who was trying to manage LFC in the press all week for FSG. He is supportive of Martinez but has that really tranferred on the pitch as well? I think Martinez work wonders with that patchwork side he have personally... but I always up front in acknowledging my bias. I think he's a very smart coach and I think he tries to play the game the right way. I'd have to say the same about Rodgers (even though I know less about him), but one Premier League season is hardly enough of a yardstick by which to measure his ability.
Post by: Tenorsaw on May 31, 2012, 08:08:26 AM
True, but he's been at Wigan for three years. Shows how much time it takes to impart your philosophy throughtout a club structure. You're probably right, in that Rodgers inherited the squad more equipped to adopt his coaching philosophy and style of play. Steve Bruce doesn't really play attractive football, and Martinez was basically reconstructing that squad.
I was reading you and JDB post and wondering if allyuh crazy. I'd have to go back and check the roster, but I believe Mose is correct. We can all agree that Rodgers overachieved with Swansea. But again I ask... who has Martinez had? Look at Nzogbia and what he do for Villa this season? And he was supposedly (even I buy de hype) one of the best free agents this past off season. Rodallega? When last he do anything? Victor Moses is a decent player... Beausejour too... but he only join in January.
I mean heck... look at frigging madman Dave Whelan, who was trying to manage LFC in the press all week for FSG. He is supportive of Martinez but has that really tranferred on the pitch as well? I think Martinez work wonders with that patchwork side he have personally... but I always up front in acknowledging my bias. I think he's a very smart coach and I think he tries to play the game the right way. I'd have to say the same about Rodgers (even though I know less about him), but one Premier League season is hardly enough of a yardstick by which to measure his ability.
Bakes, results speak, albeit over time; problem is that Rodgers has only one season to attest for his record as a manager in the EPL. In fairness (and Lawrenson basically came out and said the same), we're taking a risk by hiring a manager with probable great upside potential, but who's only had one season at the helm in the EPL. How many a Championship manager have we seen tumble, after having a great first season in the EPL: many. One thing I like about Rodgers is his drive to continuously improve and learn from what's going on in the continent. He stated that his summer sabbatical would be to spend some time with the Spanish coaching staff as they get ready for the Euro and observe their preparations and coaching approach. He does this at the end of every season. You could see that he embraces the continental school of thought in his coaching philosophy. He can only get better, but with a young coach like that at the helm, I think we'll need a sporting director with considerable experience. Looks like Rodgers will get a say in that appointment, according to press reports, so that is not that bad of a situation.
Post by: Bakes on May 31, 2012, 08:24:59 AM
Bakes, results speak, albeit over time; problem is that Rodgers has only one season to attest for his record as a manager in the EPL. In fairness (and Lawrenson basically came out and said the same), we're taking a risk by hiring a manager with probable great upside potential, but who's only had one season at the helm in the EPL. How many a Championship manager have we seen tumble, after having a great first season in the EPL: many. One thing I like about Rodgers is his drive to continuously improve and learn from what's going on in the continent. He stated that his summer sabbatical would be to spend some time with the Spanish coaching staff as they get ready for the Euro and observe their preparations and coaching approach. He does this at the end of every season. You could see that he embraces the continental school of thought in his coaching philosophy. He can only get better, but with a young coach like that at the helm, I think we'll need a sporting director with considerable experience. Looks like Rodgers will get a say in that appointment, according to press reports, so that is not that bad of a situation.
I actually agree with 99% of what you're saying here, was more defending my boy Martinez' record. In my gut I think that Rodgers will be okay. You mention something I actually forgot about which is his close working relationship with the Spanish coaching staff, and his embrace of the continental style of football. I think this is something that I appreciate most about him, he is not so arrogant as to think that the English style is the only style to play.
One of the things that I liked most about Martinez was the potential for him to introduce a more Spanish style of football to Liverpool, but in light of what you mention I think Rodgers can do the same. Posting from my phone, so EOE.
Post by: JDB on May 31, 2012, 09:13:20 AM
Martinez has had three years there and hasn’t moved the side on, in terms of league performance, from where Bruce had them. After three years to recruit players, the fact that he is still working with scraps is partly down to his skill in the transfer market. He actually hasn’t done too bad looking at the way he has turned over the squad from Bruce but his failure to identify premiership quality striking talent is a big negative, Boselli and Scotty just wasn’t good enough.
Now I think that this year was a turning point for Martinez. He start playing a new system and the best players in the side (Al Habsi, Moses, Maloney, Beausjour, Caldwell, MCCarthy) are all his players. Wigan could aspire to do what Swansea did this past season and be a solid mid-table team, which would be phenomenal.
But Rodgers just did that after building his team for a similar 3 years. I don’t see much difference between the two at this point. They are both unproven at a big club and mostly potential. Credit to Liverpool for going outside the big name box though.
Post by: Mose on May 31, 2012, 11:15:04 AM
I really like Martinez but he has had at least as much to work with as Rodgers.Agreed!! Hope the fans give him a decent chance too! :beermug:
Martinez has had three years there and hasn’t moved the side on, in terms of league performance, from where Bruce had them. After three years to recruit players, the fact that he is still working with scraps is partly down to his skill in the transfer market. He actually hasn’t done too bad looking at the way he has turned over the squad from Bruce but his failure to identify premiership quality striking talent is a big negative, Boselli and Scotty just wasn’t good enough.
Now I think that this year was a turning point for Martinez. He start playing a new system and the best players in the side (Al Habsi, Moses, Maloney, Beausjour, Caldwell, MCCarthy) are all his players. Wigan could aspire to do what Swansea did this past season and be a solid mid-table team, which would be phenomenal.
But Rodgers just did that after building his team for a similar 3 years. I don’t see much difference between the two at this point. They are both unproven at a big club and mostly potential. Credit to Liverpool for going outside the big name box though.
Post by: Tenorsaw on June 01, 2012, 01:14:43 AM
Brendan Rodgers’ Tactical Approach: Will Liverpool adapt to Tiki-Taka?
http://thepathismadebywalking.wordpress.com/2012/05/30/brendan-rodgers-tactical-approach-explanation-how-will-liverpool-implement-tiki-taka-football/
Post by: Bakes on June 01, 2012, 08:38:10 AM
Post by: dinho on June 01, 2012, 10:04:14 AM
You could have all the football philosophy and ethos in the world, but if you don't have experience playing alongside, working with and controlling star players, egos and personalities, it could all come to naught i.e. what happened with Andres Villas Boas.
Guardiola for example was a success with Barcelona because apart from having clear ideas about how he wanted to play, he already had a stature and earned respect within the club. Even so, his first order of business was to discard all the disruptive big name personalities in the dressing room, Ronaldinho and Deco (Eto'o as well before he had a last minute change of heart) and bring in players who he knew would play for him. I firmly believe if he had not done that, Barcelona would never end up where they are today.
Rodgers similarly has clear ideas on how football should be played, but he inherited a Swansea team from Martinez that was already on that course and the players he had were no star name players that would be averse to learning. Compare that with Liverpool with seasoned professionals who have had years of individual success playing a totally different style of football and it looking like pressure. Plenty men in that side who i don't see adapting to that style of play. If I was him, i'd get rid of Steven Gerrard, Jamie Carragher, Stuart Downing and Andy Carroll from jump.
Carroll especially must be livid, if he thought he wasn't getting enough hoof out long ball last year to jump and play big body business with defenders then this year will be like the Sahara.
Post by: Mose on June 01, 2012, 11:36:59 AM
Not too sure about this Rodgers appointment but would be happy to be proven wrong.If yuh get de rid of dem fellas who yuh left with? Honest question because I seriously cannot think of anyone else besides Reina, Charlie Adam and that asshole of a winger/forward who I can't stand.
You could have all the football philosophy and ethos in the world, but if you don't have experience playing alongside, working with and controlling star players, egos and personalities, it could all come to naught i.e. what happened with Andres Villas Boas.
Guardiola for example was a success with Barcelona because apart from having clear ideas about how he wanted to play, he already had a stature and earned respect within the club. Even so, his first order of business was to discard all the disruptive big name personalities in the dressing room, Ronaldinho and Deco (Eto'o as well before he had a last minute change of heart) and bring in players who he knew would play for him. I firmly believe if he had not done that, Barcelona would never end up where they are today.
Rodgers similarly has clear ideas on how football should be played, but he inherited a Swansea team from Martinez that was already on that course and the players he had were no star name players that would be averse to learning. Compare that with Liverpool with seasoned professionals who have had years of individual success playing a totally different style of football and it looking like pressure. Plenty men in that side who i don't see adapting to that style of play. If I was him, i'd get rid of Steven Gerrard, Jamie Carragher, Stuart Downing and Andy Carroll from jump.
Carroll especially must be livid, if he thought he wasn't getting enough hoof out long ball last year to jump and play big body business with defenders then this year will be like the Sahara.
EDIT: Sorry, forgot Suarez too and I'm not liking him either at the moment.
Post by: Bakes on June 01, 2012, 11:46:02 AM
Beyond them, there is quality at the back in Johnson, Skrtel, Agger (who prefers possession football) and Enrique... and a budding superstar in Lucas before the knee injury curtailed his season. Adam and Henderson are middling footballers at this level. Reina is still quality, every keeper is entitled to a down year, last year was his worst as a professional. Let's see how he rebounds. If Rodgers can persuade Vorm away from Swansea as rumored... even better.
Post by: Tenorsaw on June 01, 2012, 03:57:05 PM
Not too sure about this Rodgers appointment but would be happy to be proven wrong.
You could have all the football philosophy and ethos in the world, but if you don't have experience playing alongside, working with and controlling star players, egos and personalities, it could all come to naught i.e. what happened with Andres Villas Boas.
Guardiola for example was a success with Barcelona because apart from having clear ideas about how he wanted to play, he already had a stature and earned respect within the club. Even so, his first order of business was to discard all the disruptive big name personalities in the dressing room, Ronaldinho and Deco (Eto'o as well before he had a last minute change of heart) and bring in players who he knew would play for him. I firmly believe if he had not done that, Barcelona would never end up where they are today.
Rodgers similarly has clear ideas on how football should be played, but he inherited a Swansea team from Martinez that was already on that course and the players he had were no star name players that would be averse to learning. Compare that with Liverpool with seasoned professionals who have had years of individual success playing a totally different style of football and it looking like pressure. Plenty men in that side who i don't see adapting to that style of play. If I was him, i'd get rid of Steven Gerrard, Jamie Carragher, Stuart Downing and Andy Carroll from jump.
Carroll especially must be livid, if he thought he wasn't getting enough hoof out long ball last year to jump and play big body business with defenders then this year will be like the Sahara.
Carragher on the way out; no longer a part of first-choice center back pairing. Worse yet, I could see the emergence of Coates, under Rodgers, as the emphasis is now on technical ability. Agger is our best CB, if you ask me. I've always said so, as I have a bias for CBs that can bring the ball out of the back and play like a midfielder. Carroll may very well be the odd man out under Rodgers, because the ball will be on the turf more than in the air now, although he has shown that he has a good touch for a target guy and drop back into the midfield space and get the ball. Gerrard could adapt to any style, as he is technically good.
Post by: Trini Madness on June 03, 2012, 11:51:06 AM
Post by: Peong on June 03, 2012, 12:17:59 PM
i could be wrong but i heard kuyt just signed a deal with fenerbahce.
http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/69/transfer-zone/2012/06/03/3145813/fenerbahce-announces-signing-of-liverpools-kuyt
Post by: triniairman on June 03, 2012, 02:08:45 PM
Post by: Tenorsaw on June 03, 2012, 07:47:27 PM
i could be wrong but i heard kuyt just signed a deal with fenerbahce.
http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/69/transfer-zone/2012/06/03/3145813/fenerbahce-announces-signing-of-liverpools-kuyt
Correct, saw it on BBC also. Hey, we need some fresh faces. Not too sure Kuyt would fit into Tiki Taka style anyways. ;)
Post by: Bakes on June 04, 2012, 12:04:21 AM
Correct, saw it on BBC also. Hey, we need some fresh faces. Not too sure Kuyt would fit into Tiki Taka style anyways. ;)
Mixed feelings... Kuyt was my favorite Red during his time there, but he deserved better. The way Kenny treated him in favor of Henderson last season was ridiculous. True he didn't always perform, but hard to do when you're only getting spotty playing time. Better for all... sad to say.
Post by: Trini Madness on June 04, 2012, 08:34:20 PM
Correct, saw it on BBC also. Hey, we need some fresh faces. Not too sure Kuyt would fit into Tiki Taka style anyways. ;)
Mixed feelings... Kuyt was my favorite Red during his time there, but he deserved better. The way Kenny treated him in favor of Henderson last season was ridiculous. True he didn't always perform, but hard to do when you're only getting spotty playing time. Better for all... sad to say.
he was one of my favs as well. a real hustler. he'll surely do well in the turkish league.
Post by: dinho on June 06, 2012, 10:53:18 AM
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-nFIjc2-NDAc/Tw4FqQuNNaI/AAAAAAAAAlU/OhuivJ7u6xc/s1600/worf-startrek-facepalm.gif)
Post by: Bakes on June 06, 2012, 04:32:40 PM
Suarez race row threatens to re-open as Liverpool player calls team-mate Johnson 'negrito' on Twitter (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2155343/Daniel-Pacheco-calls-Glen-Johnson-negrito.html?ito=feeds-newsxml)
Says the print equivalent of Goal.com. ::)
Post by: Tenorsaw on June 07, 2012, 09:04:41 AM
Suarez race row threatens to re-open as Liverpool player calls team-mate Johnson 'negrito' on Twitter (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2155343/Daniel-Pacheco-calls-Glen-Johnson-negrito.html?ito=feeds-newsxml)
Says the print equivalent of Goal.com. ::)
Pacheco is an a**hole. If yuh does call de man that, do so amongst yourselves. Yuh done know de media onto anything with an inkling of a racial tone emanating from LFC. Now he spending all this time belaboring how he always calls Johnson this in an affectionate way. It ain't like he just land in the UK either, so he know de crap he doing.
Post by: Bakes on June 07, 2012, 10:35:22 AM
Pacheco is an a**hole. If yuh does call de man that, do so amongst yourselves. Yuh done know de media onto anything with an inkling of a racial tone emanating from LFC. Now he spending all this time belaboring how he always calls Johnson this in an affectionate way. It ain't like he just land in the UK either, so he know de crap he doing.
Asshole or not... this hardly threatens to re-open anything, let alone "Suarez" race row.
Post by: Tenorsaw on June 07, 2012, 10:47:18 AM
Pacheco is an a**hole. If yuh does call de man that, do so amongst yourselves. Yuh done know de media onto anything with an inkling of a racial tone emanating from LFC. Now he spending all this time belaboring how he always calls Johnson this in an affectionate way. It ain't like he just land in the UK either, so he know de crap he doing.
Asshole or not... this hardly threatens to re-open anything, let alone "Suarez" race row.
Doesn't threaten anything, but it gives the media fuel to carry on with the agenda and sort of infer that there is an inherent racism issue that exists within LFC. I don't believe Suarez speaks for the entire organization, although the PR response was indeed blotched. Just saying that the club does not need these types of issues popping up, especially when Pacheco is aware of the small fire that his Twitter comments would stoke.
Post by: Bakes on June 07, 2012, 12:33:35 PM
Doesn't threaten anything, but it gives the media fuel to carry on with the agenda and sort of infer that there is an inherent racism issue that exists within LFC. I don't believe Suarez speaks for the entire organization, although the PR response was indeed blotched. Just saying that the club does not need these types of issues popping up, especially when Pacheco is aware of the small fire that his Twitter comments would stoke.
Well my larger point is that this is nothing but Goal.com drumming up a controversy that's hardly in the making. I doubt anyone is looking at LFC as though we have a race problem at the club. Two Latin players hardly a "problem" makes... especially when only one of the comments reasonably can be interpreted as motivated by racial intolerance. This was an unfortunate choice of words... nothing more. Not saying that my interpretation is "right", but the fact that this hasn't taken off in the press points to that being the case.
Post by: Tenorsaw on June 07, 2012, 02:13:45 PM
Doesn't threaten anything, but it gives the media fuel to carry on with the agenda and sort of infer that there is an inherent racism issue that exists within LFC. I don't believe Suarez speaks for the entire organization, although the PR response was indeed blotched. Just saying that the club does not need these types of issues popping up, especially when Pacheco is aware of the small fire that his Twitter comments would stoke.
Well my larger point is that this is nothing but Goal.com drumming up a controversy that's hardly in the making. I doubt anyone is looking at LFC as though we have a race problem at the club. Two Latin players hardly a "problem" makes... especially when only one of the comments reasonably can be interpreted as motivated by racial intolerance. This was an unfortunate choice of words... nothing more. Not saying that my interpretation is "right", but the fact that this hasn't taken off in the press points to that being the case.
"Unfortunate", but to be avoided, is what I'm getting at. No malice intended by Pacheco at all.
Post by: Feliziano on July 08, 2012, 09:10:39 PM
Anybody interested in going any of the Liverpool games in North America?
I'll be heading to the Tottenham game in Baltimore with a couple other forumites.
Flying in Thursday 26th and leaving Sunday morning.
Folks living in the Washington DC area feel free to come support our great club at the match or even hang out for a couple beers before or after just to talk some shit.
Post by: Feliziano on July 08, 2012, 09:11:47 PM
YNWA :)
Post by: Bakes on July 08, 2012, 09:20:24 PM
Welcome to the club Gaston Ramirez!!!
YNWA :)
About time!
btw... we buying we tickets this week eh. Will send out a group message tomorrow.
Post by: mukumsplau on July 09, 2012, 04:00:36 PM
that rodgers building a nice young side..would be glad if he got rid of caroll..
Post by: Bakes on July 09, 2012, 04:22:01 PM
whats this with rodgers raiding serie a? first gaston then im hearing borini is next? surprisingly borini isnt rated that much in italy..cant understand why prandelli took him over mattia destro...this means that roma may really close in on destro now....was hopin he'd come to juve...
that rodgers building a nice young side..would be glad if he got rid of caroll..
Carroll has a place at Liverpool... maybe not the central role initially imagined for him, but he has a place nonetheless. This of course, all depends on the philosophy of the coach... and Rodgers prefer a close-control passing game, not suited to Carroll's abilities. If however there's a way to integrate the passes into the box, particularly crosses from the wings, then Carroll has shown his potential in that area. As his confidence grew towards the end of the PL season, so too did his productivity. But he cannot create for himself, and minus quality passes from his team mates his game will always suffer.
Post by: Feliziano on July 16, 2012, 08:45:11 PM
anyway welcome to Fabio Borini :beermug:
next in line might be Theo Walcott..also woulda rather seen us chase Dembele instead of Dempsey
hopefully Andy Carroll will be staying, but that looks like a long shot now since its very clear that he's no longer wanted.
I going on record and say if we inconsistent and the brand is shit this year..Rodgers should be sacked..he piss me off how he handle the problem of Carroll not being able to supposedly fit into his philoposy.
Post by: Bakes on July 16, 2012, 08:56:41 PM
I also prefer Dembele to Dempsey.
Post by: mukumsplau on July 17, 2012, 10:21:03 PM
Like ah jump the gun on Gaston Ramirez lol..he go be there in a timing
anyway welcome to Fabio Borini :beermug:
next in line might be Theo Walcott..also woulda rather seen us chase Dembele instead of Dempsey
hopefully Andy Carroll will be staying, but that looks like a long shot now since its very clear that he's no longer wanted.
I going on record and say if we inconsistent and the brand is shit this year..Rodgers should be sacked..he piss me off how he handle the problem of Carroll not being able to supposedly fit into his philoposy.
juve dont want ramirez especially for that kind of money..he's a decent young player but doesnt generate much excitement...now stevan jovetic on the other hand...poisonous...
Post by: Andre on July 18, 2012, 12:15:33 PM
Post by: Bakes on July 18, 2012, 03:16:18 PM
liverpool owners and their moneyball experiment eh working too good eh.What 'moneyball experiment'?
Post by: Andre on July 20, 2012, 02:23:28 PM
liverpool owners and their moneyball experiment eh working too good eh.What 'moneyball experiment'?
buying players via statistical analyis.
check this - http://www.maxim.com/the-big-leagues/baseball-economics-expert-billy-beane-the-man-behind-moneyball
Post by: Bakes on July 20, 2012, 06:01:22 PM
buying players via statistical analyis.
check this - http://www.maxim.com/the-big-leagues/baseball-economics-expert-billy-beane-the-man-behind-moneyball
I know what 'Moneyball' means... ah waiting to hear how it relates to Liverpool FC and their player acquisition policy under Dalglish and Comolli. In other words, don't believe everything yuh read in de British press, that's the first thing they latch onto in their zeal to portray the new American ownership as clueless.
Post by: mukumsplau on July 20, 2012, 07:42:02 PM
Juventus plan Robin van Persie and Luis Suarez bid
By Ben Smith
BBC Sport
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Juventus have told Robin van Persie they want to pair him with Liverpool's Luis Suarez, as they bid to lure him to Italy in the face of strong interest from Manchester United and City.
The Serie A champions have had an initial enquiry rebuffed by Arsenal, who also dismissed an opening formal bid from United out of hand on Friday.
Manchester City, meanwhile, have asked to be kept informed of the situation.
United's bid is believed to be around £10m, £15m below Arsenal's valuation.
Continue reading the main story
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We've shown an interest and that's where we're at at the moment
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Sir Alex Ferguson
The Gunners' 28-year-old captain has a year left on his contract with all three interested clubs offering lucrative financial packages, more than doubling Van Persie's current wage.
Van Persie scored 41 goals in 53 games for club and country last season and was named Professional Footballers' Association and Football Writers' player of the year.
Arsenal had been hoping the Dutchman would sign a new deal this summer but he shocked them last month by announcing he would not extend his contract, saying he disagreed with the way the club should move forward.
Juventus sporting director Giuseppe Marotta and president Andrea Agnelli are aware the Dutchman is not, however, motivated simply by money and - as well as offering a package worth £190,000 a week - believe it is the possibility of playing alongside Suarez that could sway his thinking.
If Juventus can secure a deal for Van Persie they will turn their attentions to Suarez and intend to raise the necessary funds by selling striker Alessandro Matri to AC Milan.
Liverpool will take a dim view of Juventus's interest in Suarez and have no intention of allowing their prized Uruguayan forward to leave the club.
Suarez is under contract at Anfield until 2016 - but the Reds are keen to tie him down to an even longer deal.
Van Persie at Arsenal
2004-05: 41 games, 10 goals
2005-06: 38 games, 11 goals
2006-07: 31 games, 13 goals
2007-08: 23 games, 9 goals
2008-09: 44 games, 20 goals
2009-10: 20 games, 10 goals
2010-11: 33 games, 22 goals
2011-12: 48 games, 37 goals
The 25-year-old has scored 15 goals since joining Liverpool in January 2011, but was also banned for eight matches after being found guilty of racially abusing Manchester United defender Patrice Evra in December of that year.
Manager Brendan Rodgers has held preliminary talks with the player as negotiations continue over a new contract.
However, Juventus believe a bid of around £28m may tempt Liverpool to negotiate.
Such is the strength of Juventus's interest in Suarez that they are likely to make an offer for the 25-year-old whatever Van Persie decides to do.
Privately there is a growing confidence at Juventus that both players will move to Turin this summer.
On Friday, Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson confirmed the club has made a bid for Van Persie.
"There are other clubs interested in the player," Ferguson told MUTV. "We've shown an interest and that's where we're at at the moment."
The Gunners are about to embark on a three-match tour of Asia, but Van Persie will remain in London to work on his fitness.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18935349 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18935349)
Post by: Bakes on August 07, 2012, 09:14:23 AM
By MARK SCOTT
10:30 a.m. | Updated
LONDON - Shares of Standard Chartered tumbled on Tuesday as investors reacted to accusations that the British bank schemed with the Iranian government for nearly a decade to launder $250 billion.
In morning trading in London, Standard Chartered's stock fell by almost 24 percent as analysts estimated that the firm may have to pay around $5.5 billion in costs related to the money laundering case. It was the sharpest one-day decline in the bank's shares since at least 1988, according to Bloomberg data. By late afternoon in London, the shares recovered a bit, trading down 17 percent.
The news comes at a difficult time for British banks.
Barclays agreed to a $450 million settlement with American and British officials in June after some of its traders and senior executives were found to have alterws the London interbank offered rate, or Libor, for financial gain.
HSBC, a rival bank, apologized last month for not cracking down soon enough on money laundering activities in the United States. David Bagley, the head of compliance for the British bank since 2002, resigned because of the scandal.
Standard Chartered, which relies on operations in fast-growing emerging markets for the majority of its profits, had sidestepped many of the problems facing European financial institutions, including a fall in trading activity related to Europe's debt crisis.
Yet its reputation now stands to be tarnished after having been ensnared in a case that New York State's top banking regulator, the Department of Financial Services, said had left the United States financial system vulnerable to terrorists and corrupt regimes.
The state regulator accused the bank of masking more than 60,000 transactions for Iranian banks and corporations, as the firm pocketed millions of dollars in fees.
Senior management at the 150-year-old bank used its New York branch "as a front for prohibited dealings with Iran - dealings that indisputably helped sustain a global threat to peace and stability," according to a regulatory order sent to the bank.
In response, the British bank said it "strongly rejects the position and portrayal of facts" by the state regulator.
Fines connected to the money laundering case may cost Standard Chartered around $1.5 billion, according to Cormac Leech, banking analyst with Liberum Capital in London.
The firm could lose an additional $1 billion from a cutback in operations connected to Iran, as well as $3 billion in market value if some of the bank's senior executives, including its chief executive, Peter Sands, are forced to resign over the scandal, Mr. Leech added.
Along with the financial penalties, Standard Chartered may also have its New York banking license revoked because of the activities. Analysts say that prospect remains unlikely, as United States authorities have focused their attention on monetary fines for the British bank.
Unlike other European financial giants that have suffered from a downturn in trading activity, Standard Chartered reported an 11.3 percent rise in net profit in the first half of the year, to $2.86 billion.
Before the money laundering accusations were made public, shares in the firm have outperformed other financial institutions. Over the last 12 months, Standard Chartered's stock has risen 10.4 percent compared with a 12.8 percent drop in the Stoxx Europe 600 Banks index.
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2012/08/07/shares-of-standard-chartered-slide-amid-money-laundering-inquiry/?hp
Post by: Bakes on August 17, 2012, 05:35:36 AM
Rodgers signed his third player by stealing Heerenveen's Oussama Assaidi from under Ajax and Fulham. This on the heels of signing Joe Allen from Swansea and Fabio Borini from Roma. Charlie Adam might move to Everton, while Rodgers looks to bring in Christian Tello from Barca, and Nuri Sahin from Madrid.
We ent making no big splash this summer... but ah like the moves Rodgers making.
Post by: mukumsplau on August 17, 2012, 09:08:54 AM
Post by: Bakes on August 17, 2012, 05:57:43 PM
bakes, what went on with ramirez? i see southampton looking to hoff y'all..strange strange strange move...
Nah from what I gather is no hoff scene... dude just whoring after money so let him go Southampton and get it. I woulda completely understand if he blank 'Pool for Spurs... but to blank both teams to go to a newly promoted club that likely won't survive relegation? Not sure who advising that kid.
...meanwhile, Fulham fine Dempsey for allegedly refusing to play. The thot plickens...
Post by: truetrini on August 18, 2012, 09:36:16 AM
Post by: Mango Chow! on August 18, 2012, 10:04:29 AM
Liverpool playing like a T&T Proleague team...real shit.
Shit side is shit side!! :rotfl:
Post by: Bakes on August 18, 2012, 01:35:33 PM
Post by: fari on August 18, 2012, 02:01:49 PM
Post by: Bakes on August 18, 2012, 02:57:59 PM
first game of the season...only way is up
Truth is the game was in the balance until Phil Dowd intervened. Not blaming him, but it had a huge effect. We were already on the back leg down a goal, then chasing the play from 20-25 yards behind he determined that Long went down in the box, when from replays he was just outside. Then to issue a straight red, presumably as a denial of an obvious goal-scoring opportunity/last defender... itself was kinda iffy as another defender was coming in from the right. Even so, Reina saved the penalty.
The penalty on Skrtel was an abject farce. Skrtel has the ball at his feet (lingering in possession) when Long nipped in from behind and took it from him and in doing so was inadvertently tripped (Skrtel was just about to pass the ball and in doing so kicked Long's heel instead). Yes he got tripped in the box, but Skrtel had the ball up to the split second before their feet tangled... he never even knew Long was there. Game was over for sure after that.
Post by: D.H.W on August 18, 2012, 03:03:15 PM
first game of the season...only way is up
You sure about that?
Post by: Bakes on August 20, 2012, 03:21:35 PM
You sure about that?
Worry about your team... and allyuh actually had 11 players and coulda ketch 3 same way.
Post by: D.H.W on August 26, 2012, 10:11:16 AM
Come on Liverpool!
Post by: D.H.W on August 26, 2012, 10:25:39 AM
Edit: he still a racist though
Post by: kaliman2006 on August 26, 2012, 10:28:18 AM
Aye Alyuh dead?
Come on Liverpool!
This match is not over yet. Liverpool needs to be better on the crosses into the Man City box.
Post by: Mango Chow! on August 26, 2012, 10:28:56 AM
Bess free kick.
Edit: he still a racist though
Like joe hart need to re-learn how to set up a wall.....one goalkeeping blunder after another. (reina is no surprise though.) :laugh:
Post by: kaliman2006 on August 26, 2012, 10:36:45 AM
Real stress ;D
EDIT: Is now so that fan go be cussing. Skirtel gone from hero to villain.
Post by: D.H.W on August 26, 2012, 10:38:04 AM
Post by: D.H.W on August 26, 2012, 10:39:09 AM
Post by: Mango Chow! on August 26, 2012, 10:43:45 AM
what kinda shit defending back pass is that? wtf boy :frustrated:
That was the "Keystone Kop" special.......from Mr. Resident Evil himself. :laugh:
Post by: giggsy11 on August 26, 2012, 10:46:27 AM
Those on-field microphones are a little too good. I believe I have been hearing the same Liverpool fan cussing the whole match.
Real stress ;D
EDIT: Is now so that fan go be cussing. Skirtel gone from hero to villain.
Ah know regarding the fan, he has been very entertaining!
Post by: giggsy11 on August 26, 2012, 10:47:29 AM
Post by: giggsy11 on August 26, 2012, 10:50:06 AM
Bess free kick.
Edit: he still a racist though
Like joe hart need to re-learn how to set up a wall.....one goalkeeping blunder after another. (reina is no surprise though.) :laugh:
What you talkin about Willis-that is the world's number one keeper according tuh David James. Reina dos paly like he in a fete match!
Post by: kaliman2006 on August 26, 2012, 10:53:39 AM
Post by: Mango Chow! on August 26, 2012, 11:12:46 AM
Those on-field microphones are a little too good. I believe I have been hearing the same Liverpool fan cussing the whole match.
Real stress ;D
EDIT: Is now so that fan go be cussing. Skirtel gone from hero to villain.
Ah know regarding the fan, he has been very entertaining!
Yes he was! :rotfl:
Bess free kick.
Edit: he still a racist though
Like joe hart need to re-learn how to set up a wall.....one goalkeeping blunder after another. (reina is no surprise though.) :laugh:
What you talkin about Willis-that is the world's number one keeper according tuh David James. Reina dos paly like he in a fete match!
Yeah, yuh right...+ he was a "liverpool" player AND he a "professional" so dat mean he right.....according to de biggest jackass liverpool fan here. :laugh:
But yuh eh lyin' about reina....he does really have a fete-match finish wit he pudgy, untidy self. :laugh:
Post by: Bakes on August 26, 2012, 11:53:15 AM
Aye Alyuh dead?
Come on Liverpool!
Nah... we on Facebook. Liverpool just ent ready... yuh can't do shit like this and expect to improve. Sterling will be tears this season.
Post by: elan on August 26, 2012, 08:38:48 PM
Aye Alyuh dead?
Come on Liverpool!
Nah... we on Facebook. Liverpool just ent ready... yuh can't do shit like this and expect to improve. Sterling will be tears this season.
The RB, little black fella? absolutely stunning game he had. What's his nationality?
Post by: Bakes on August 26, 2012, 11:17:58 PM
The RB, little black fella? absolutely stunning game he had. What's his nationality?
Raheem Sterling... he actually playing on the left wing but because of the shape (with wing backs pressing forward) he get isolated against Tevez in LB. He born Jamaica but living London since he small. I think today's game flattered him a little though because is Kolo Toure he was going up against. 31 years old and not many games since drug suspension. But on the flip side he didn't get any protection from Marriner, the ref... still only 17. Scored a nice goal against Leverkusen in the Europa League two weeks ago.
http://www.youtube.com/v/nZ0EJBUoHqo
Post by: Bakes on August 26, 2012, 11:54:59 PM
Fearless Raheem Sterling shows Liverpool the face of their future
Brendan Rodgers was brave with his youthful selection against
the champions, and the 17-year-old did not let him down
Richard Williams at Anfield
guardian.co.uk, Sunday 26 August 2012 15.05 EDT
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/pictures/2012/8/26/1346007141485/Raheem-Sterling-008.jpg)
Liverpool's Raheem Sterling showed why he is so highly-rated with a fine display against Manchester City. Photograph: Paul Ellis/AFP/Getty Images
Raheem Sterling left the Anfield pitch on Sunday afternoon with Carlos Tevez's shirt, a warm pat on the head from Steven Gerrard and the memory of a performance that symbolised the hopes of Brendan Rodgers' fledgling regime.
The new manager made a big statement when he marked his first home Premier League match in charge of Liverpool by picking the 17-year-old for a first start in the competition. Sterling responded with a display that did not shape the match but contained quite enough skill and composure to justify his selection.
More than that, his presence gave Anfield the clearest possible indication of how Rodgers wants his team to play. They will be doing it the Swansea way, with swift and accurate short passing in all areas of the pitch, and the approach served them well against the reigning champions.
Twice they took the lead and twice they were pegged back, but never were they prepared to accept second best. The result was a fair one, but three points for the home side would not have represented a distortion, and they did well to close the match on the front foot against a side with a reputation for finishing strongly. Those Liverpool fans who were quick to express dismay after the opening match of the league season, an abject 3-0 defeat at the hands of West Bromwich Albion, have had their reservations addressed, at least for now.
Of all the football teams in the world, perhaps only Brazil generate a level of debate as intense and unremitting as that which surrounds Liverpool FC. It is into this cauldron of conflicting passions that Rodgers has walked, with his eyes wide open and his reputation at stake, a bright young man whose two impressive seasons with Swansea City are deemed sufficient evidence on which to hang the immediate fortunes of the five-times European champions. That is, of course, a very big call, both for the club's owners and for the manager in question, since his arrival presupposes an intention to revive Liverpool through a process of rejuvenation, relying on youth in a way that has not been familiar at Anfield since Gerrard, Michael Owen and Jamie Carragher came through the ranks a generation ago.
As André Villas-Boas found at Chelsea last season, such a process cannot always be accomplished in time to keep the manager in his job. But Rodgers is five years older than AVB and has already experienced the kind of setback that will have taught him how to pace the business of rebuilding a team.
It says a great deal that the Irishman's reaction to the setback at The Hawthorns was to stack his team with youthful promise: the 21-year-old Fabio Borini on the right wing, the 22-year-old Joe Allen at the base of midfield, the 21-year-old Sebastián Coates at centre-back, the 22-year-old Martin Kelly at right-back and, when Lucas Leiva limped off after only five minutes, the 20-year-old Jonjo Shelvey in central midfield. Most strikingly, there was Raheem Shaquille Sterling.
Born in Kingston, Jamaica, Sterling arrived in England at the age of five. Attached first to West Ham and then to Queens Park Rangers, he joined Liverpool two years ago for an initial fee of £600,000 which could rise to several millions, depending on his progress at Anfield. Eighteen months ago he made headlines by scoring five goals in an FA Youth Cup tie against Southend United. He has played for England's under-16s and under-17s, although his mum wants him to represent Jamaica. Sunday's exhibition will have put a smile on the face of QPR's finance director.
Until Andy Carroll was brought on and Liverpool's attacking shape was changed in the closing minutes, the teenager was stationed on the left wing, using his ability to cut inside on to his stronger right foot. In the early minutes he killed a long ball from Coates with impressive skill and was unafraid to bring off a testing back pass to Pepe Reina from the touchline on halfway. After a succession of promising darts and shimmies, he tricked his way round Kolo Touré in the 18th minute and produced a diagonal ball that Borini glanced narrowly wide of the near post.
A slender figure, only 5ft 7in tall, he is understandably less confident in a defensive role, and was taken to the cleaners by Tevez twice in quick succession when left exposed by Glen Johnson. On the first occasion, in the 60th minute, nothing came of the resulting cross. But Tevez had spotted the weakness and three minutes later he was exploiting it again, isolating Sterling in the same position, and this time a half-clearance was met by Yaya Touré with a close-range shot that gave City their first equaliser.
Some managers might have removed Sterling at that point, ostensibly to save him from further punishment. Rodgers did something different. He took off Kelly, moved Johnson over to his usual right flank, brought on José Enrique, a specialist left-back, and showed faith in his 17-year-old. Liverpool have a long way to go, but Rodgers has got them facing the future.
© 2012 Guardian News and Media Limited or its affiliated companies. All rights reserved. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/aug/26/raheem-sterling-liverpool)
Post by: Football supporter on August 27, 2012, 06:52:45 AM
Aye Alyuh dead?
Come on Liverpool!
Nah... we on Facebook. Liverpool just ent ready... yuh can't do shit like this and expect to improve. Sterling will be tears this season.
The RB, little black fella? absolutely stunning game he had. What's his nationality?
Liverpool will have him in the gym a lot building muscle and also sprint excercises to maintain his speed once he's added bulk.
Post by: elan on August 27, 2012, 12:26:37 PM
The RB, little black fella? absolutely stunning game he had. What's his nationality?
Raheem Sterling... he actually playing on the left wing but because of the shape (with wing backs pressing forward) he get isolated against Tevez in LB. He born Jamaica but living London since he small. I think today's game flattered him a little though because is Kolo Toure he was going up against. 31 years old and not many games since drug suspension. But on the flip side he didn't get any protection from Marriner, the ref... still only 17. Scored a nice goal against Leverkusen in the Europa League two weeks ago.
http://www.youtube.com/v/nZ0EJBUoHqo
*knock on wood* I really like what I saw, started thinking a hungry Ashley Cole.
Post by: boss on August 30, 2012, 01:39:56 PM
Post by: boss on August 30, 2012, 01:48:22 PM
Post by: Andre on August 30, 2012, 02:45:48 PM
hearts up 1-0. series tie 1-1.
http://espn.go.com/watchespn/player/_/source/espn3/id/573625/
Post by: Mango Chow! on August 31, 2012, 06:28:08 AM
anybody watching hearts vs.liverpool"The Pepe Reina Show!".
hearts up 1-0. series tie 1-1.
http://espn.go.com/watchespn/player/_/source/espn3/id/573625/
ah fix it fuh yuh....
Post by: dinho on August 31, 2012, 09:34:40 AM
Post by: boss on August 31, 2012, 01:53:15 PM
Post by: boss on August 31, 2012, 02:38:03 PM
Post by: Banter Banton on September 02, 2012, 06:38:41 AM
Post by: rotatopoti3 on September 03, 2012, 03:43:06 PM
not sure what upper mgmt thinking but it goe be ah dog fight...
we already have ah small squad...hopefully we could keep above relegation...
do i sound pessimistic well I am.....
too many people with different philosophies.....
Post by: Andre on September 04, 2012, 01:00:18 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/premierleague/story/liverpool-players-get-party-incentive-lebron-james-kanye-west-090412-
NBA star LeBron James has given Liverpool players every reason to start winning games - a party in Las Vegas co-hosted by Kanye West.
Sunday's 2-0 defeat by Arsenal has left the Reds with just one point from their first three games - their worst start to a season for 50 years.
Matters have not been helped by Liverpool loaning out Andy Carroll to West Ham which has left manager Brendan Rodgers with just one recognised striker in his squad.
However, Miami Heat small forward LeBron, who owns a stake in the club through his stake in Fenway Sports Group, has told Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard that if the team wins a trophy this season they can start packing their bags in the summer.
James told the Daily Mail: "I spent some time with Steven Gerrard and he is passionate about his team
"Everybody in sport needs incentive and if the guys at Liverpool win something this year I will give them the best weekend of their life in Vegas.
"Kanye is in and trust me, nobody does Vegas like LeBron and Kanye."
James is also planning to meet the players again this summer - along with West and Jay-Z.
He added: "I am coming over to see a game soon with Kanye and Jay-Z so maybe we can talk more about the trip then."
Post by: Tallman on September 18, 2012, 07:43:08 AM
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on September 18, 2012, 08:35:45 AM
Post by: Tenorsaw on September 18, 2012, 12:11:03 PM
Post by: Bakes on September 18, 2012, 12:27:38 PM
:rotfl:
Good thing it wasn't "busts" he went looking for... Chelsea woulda have a whole section in that store by deyself.
Post by: Bakes on September 22, 2012, 10:10:55 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/xx0Ru_1zPVk&feature=related
Post by: Bakes on September 23, 2012, 06:47:44 AM
Post by: D.H.W on September 23, 2012, 06:57:25 AM
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/229925_422957121096542_427521000_n.jpg)
WOW
Post by: Bitter on September 23, 2012, 07:11:41 AM
Wild tackle, but not as bad as it looked live.
Post by: Bakes on September 23, 2012, 07:11:48 AM
Post by: kaliman2006 on September 23, 2012, 07:12:33 AM
Come nah man Shelvey!
That was very stupid and threatens to undo all of the good work that Liverpool have done in the first half.
Post by: Bakes on September 23, 2012, 07:34:40 AM
Post by: kaliman2006 on September 23, 2012, 07:35:25 AM
Come nah man Shelvey!
That was very stupid and threatens to undo all of the good work that Liverpool have done in the first half.
Well, it seems as if the sending off has not affected Liverpool to start to second half.
Nice finish by Liverpool's stalwart.
1-0 Reds.
Post by: Bakes on September 23, 2012, 07:41:22 AM
Unless that was a red on both players the card never should have been shown...
Anyways... game on.
Post by: D.H.W on September 23, 2012, 07:43:19 AM
Post by: Bakes on September 23, 2012, 07:51:02 AM
Only one made contact, that is what the ref see
Only one made contact? Look at Evans right foot on Shelvey instep dred? If anything Shelvey beat him by a hair in making contact... but Evans gone in two-footed with both studs up, but Shelvey get sent off, lol
Post by: Bakes on September 23, 2012, 08:05:14 AM
f**king dive by Valencia. Ah well...
Post by: D.H.W on September 23, 2012, 08:10:45 AM
Post by: Bakes on September 23, 2012, 08:15:21 AM
Players master the art of falling down.
Take allyuh three f**king points hoss...
Post by: kaliman2006 on September 23, 2012, 08:29:57 AM
I think the referee thought he was officiating a game at Old Trafford and not at Anfield.
Post by: D.H.W on September 23, 2012, 08:35:42 AM
Post by: Bakes on September 23, 2012, 08:43:34 AM
The ref don't have the option of slow motion replay. At full speed it looked bad.
You not supposed to make those calls unless yuh sure... I guess he was sure he see things that didn't happen. Somehow United always seem to benefit from these types of calls.
Congrats :beermug:
Post by: Mango Chow! on September 23, 2012, 08:47:34 AM
The ref don't have the option of slow motion replay. At full speed it looked bad.
:applause: :applause:
every other referee in the league woulda made that same call.
Post by: giggsy11 on September 23, 2012, 09:14:25 AM
The ref don't have the option of slow motion replay. At full speed it looked bad.
:applause: :applause:
every other referee in the league woulda made that same call.
Even Glen Johnson acted like he forked up.
Post by: Banter Banton on September 23, 2012, 09:35:12 AM
Post by: kaliman2006 on September 23, 2012, 10:04:26 AM
Post by: Bourbon on September 23, 2012, 10:30:43 AM
After all the debate and controversy, Liverpool is still in the bottom three. I know it is early days yet, but Liverpool better get its act together fast.
Dont worry...You Never Walk Alone.
Two other teams get relegated as well.
Post by: D.H.W on September 23, 2012, 10:53:13 AM
Post by: kaliman2006 on September 23, 2012, 11:04:35 AM
Damn! ::)
At least Liverpool does not lose 1-6 at home when it goes down to 10 men eh fella, or have you forgotten?
As I said it's early days yet.
Post by: Bakes on September 23, 2012, 11:10:30 AM
Even Glen Johnson acted like he forked up.
Yuh mean when he was rolling around on the ground clutching his ribs from the collision with Reina... that was when he "acted like he forked up"?
http://www.youtube.com/v/K0z7qlwB7eI
Post by: kaliman2006 on September 23, 2012, 11:15:46 AM
After all the debate and controversy, Liverpool is still in the bottom three. I know it is early days yet, but Liverpool better get its act together fast.
Dont worry...You Never Walk Alone.
Two other teams get relegated as well.
That may very well true, but as I said, it's early days yet... FSG has too much money invested into Liverpool FC to allow that to happen. Rogers go lorse he wuk first.
Post by: D.H.W on September 23, 2012, 03:58:52 PM
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Post by: Bakes on September 23, 2012, 04:44:12 PM
(http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/article/media_slots/photos/000/554/272/Shelveytacklev.United_crop_exact.jpg?w=340&h=340&q=85)
Post by: elan on September 23, 2012, 07:06:15 PM
Post by: D.H.W on September 23, 2012, 07:22:52 PM
Post by: Football supporter on September 23, 2012, 07:37:27 PM
Fergie is the biggest hypocrite yet... even after the game he still criticizing Shelvey, saying it was reckless. I hope he has the same talk with Johnny Evans...
(http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/article/media_slots/photos/000/554/272/Shelveytacklev.United_crop_exact.jpg?w=340&h=340&q=85)
I wonder what the correct answer in a refs exam would be to this photo? Evans has both feet off ground, studs flying, missed the ball, could break the mans ankle. Shelvey is in an acceptable, non violent stance, but clearly mis times tackle, and could break the mans ankle. Ain't easy being a ref, ent?
Post by: Bakes on September 23, 2012, 08:42:45 PM
I wonder what the correct answer in a refs exam would be to this photo? Evans has both feet off ground, studs flying, missed the ball, could break the mans ankle. Shelvey is in an acceptable, non violent stance, but clearly mis times tackle, and could break the mans ankle. Ain't easy being a ref, ent?
FS, in fairness the photo doesn't tell the complete picture. Evans got to the ball (which was situated just in front both of his feet as shown) a split second before Shelvey, who then knocked it away with his right heel, sending the ball off to the side. A frame later and Shelvey too had left his feet, with the left leg following up from the side as both players rotated slightly clockwise.
But the picture is clear in showing that Evans is guilty of the same offense for which Shelvey was punished... a lunge "at an opponent when challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force and endangering the safety of an opponent", as defined by Law 12(1). How a ref can dismiss one player on a 50-50 challenge and not so much as caution the other is what beggars belief.
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on September 24, 2012, 08:40:04 AM
:rotfl:
Good thing it wasn't "busts" he went looking for... Chelsea woulda have a whole section in that store by deyself.
Daz why allyuh f**kaz walkin alone sucka!! :rotfl:
Post by: Tenorsaw on September 26, 2012, 01:04:56 PM
Fergie is the biggest hypocrite yet... even after the game he still criticizing Shelvey, saying it was reckless. I hope he has the same talk with Johnny Evans...
(http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/article/media_slots/photos/000/554/272/Shelveytacklev.United_crop_exact.jpg?w=340&h=340&q=85)
I wonder what the correct answer in a refs exam would be to this photo? Evans has both feet off ground, studs flying, missed the ball, could break the mans ankle. Shelvey is in an acceptable, non violent stance, but clearly mis times tackle, and could break the mans ankle. Ain't easy being a ref, ent?
Halsey is an cun*t. f**k up de game with that call, then give a soft penalty. Every analyst that I've heard was basically saying the decision was harsh.
Post by: boss on September 26, 2012, 02:50:25 PM
Post by: Bakes on September 29, 2012, 08:17:10 AM
Live link... sounds Russian http://watchpremierleague.net/live/livestream-2/channel-1/
Post by: Bakes on September 29, 2012, 08:41:45 AM
Like he realize he have to make he own luck... throw way a sitter only to poach the ball off the defender seconds later... 2-0 Liverpool, Suarez 39'
Post by: Bakes on September 29, 2012, 09:26:12 AM
Post by: maxg on September 29, 2012, 09:29:35 AM
Post by: kaliman2006 on September 29, 2012, 09:54:22 AM
Post by: Mango Chow! on September 30, 2012, 01:23:17 AM
Congrats to the Reds on registering their first win of the season. Hopefully, they can build on this result.
If pepe reina insists on continuing to be "the gift that keeps on giving" like he is, especially against (much) better teams than Norwich, yuh could kiss dem hopes goodbye, eh. :D
Post by: Tenorsaw on September 30, 2012, 08:14:55 PM
Congrats to the Reds on registering their first win of the season. Hopefully, they can build on this result.
If pepe reina insists on continuing to be "the gift that keeps on giving" like he is, especially against (much) better teams than Norwich, yuh could kiss dem hopes goodbye, eh. :D
Yuh telling me. Don't know what going on in Pepe's mind, but from experience as a GK, when yuh going through them rough patch of form, yuh have to ride through the storm. He needs to visualize himself making the save, build back his confidence, and get back to basics. Not sure if his training routine has changed; sometimes, that makes the world of a difference.
Post by: Bakes on October 07, 2012, 08:51:32 AM
Post by: Bakes on October 07, 2012, 11:44:11 AM
Post by: D.H.W on October 07, 2012, 08:39:01 PM
Post by: Mango Chow! on October 07, 2012, 08:44:10 PM
how suarez get walk over and rough up so today. Then he fakes foul in the penalty area
because he's a c**t
Post by: Bakes on October 27, 2012, 11:47:28 PM
Post by: Bakes on October 28, 2012, 07:50:07 AM
Whole week David Moyes in the press about how Suarez is ah diver... so wouldn't you know it, Suarez score a deflected goal off Lleyton Baines... then run and flop right in front ah the Everton bench. :rotfl:
http://www.youtube.com/v/wBcDmoGx6BE
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/pictures/2012/10/28/1351436079907/Luis-Suarez-008.jpg)
Post by: Bakes on October 28, 2012, 07:51:15 AM
Post by: Bitter on October 28, 2012, 07:53:21 AM
2-1
Post by: Bakes on October 28, 2012, 07:53:42 AM
Post by: kaliman2006 on October 28, 2012, 07:55:37 AM
Post by: Bitter on October 28, 2012, 08:06:04 AM
Fasten your seat-belts Liverpool fans, this is going to be a wild ride...
Ent!
2-2 after 35 minutes
Post by: kaliman2006 on October 28, 2012, 08:06:27 AM
I can't really say that the Everton response was not coming.
Post by: kaliman2006 on October 28, 2012, 08:08:13 AM
Fasten your seat-belts Liverpool fans, this is going to be a wild ride...
Ent!
2-2 after 35 minutes
Both sides look like they are going to score on every attack. I had a feeling this was going to be this type of game, even when Liverpool were 2-0 up. This is a chance for the youngsters at Liverpool to show what mettle they are made of.
Post by: Bakes on October 28, 2012, 08:12:54 AM
Mirallas looking good for Everton, but he being a real prick with his histrionics. Everton, Howard in particular was trying to wind the ref up into sending Sterling off some a simple touch foul.
Post by: Bitter on October 28, 2012, 09:24:43 AM
Let's start the calls for offside technology.
Post by: Bakes on October 28, 2012, 09:25:51 AM
Post by: kaliman2006 on October 28, 2012, 09:26:36 AM
Steups.
Post by: kaliman2006 on October 28, 2012, 09:27:20 AM
I doh even know what to say... I'm just stunned. I can't even imagine what that call was.
I feel that the linesman is Halsey's family. I can't even see where there was a foul.
Liverpool really need a bushbath.
Post by: Reaper2004 on October 28, 2012, 10:18:22 AM
Post by: kaliman2006 on October 28, 2012, 10:24:29 AM
" Free-kick Liverpool that Gerrard will take.... He swings it in AND SUAREZ SCORES! But no, offside! The flag is up and his celebration is short-lived! Ah, not offside, a foul by Coates on Jagielka when heading it down to Suarez I think. Certainly not offside."
The referee should have whistled for the foul if Coates was indeed guilty of the infraction.
Post by: Bakes on October 28, 2012, 10:27:05 AM
" Free-kick Liverpool that Gerrard will take.... He swings it in AND SUAREZ SCORES! But no, offside! The flag is up and his celebration is short-lived! Ah, not offside, a foul by Coates on Jagielka when heading it down to Suarez I think. Certainly not offside."
The referee should have whistled for the foul if Coates was indeed guilty of the infraction.
Yeah... ref never blew for foul, linesman raised his flag... if that was for a foul in the box from clear across the other side of the goal... that was weak. Replays showed Coates up over the top but certainly not a foul, not at that juncture in the game at least.
Post by: Bakes on October 28, 2012, 11:21:39 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/nYJEzJ0l-6s
Post by: kev on October 29, 2012, 10:33:20 AM
Also Suarez should have been sent off way before that for that very late nasty challenge.
Post by: elan on October 29, 2012, 01:17:02 PM
It was never offside, but it was also a blatant foul so right decision but for wrong reasons.
Also Suarez should have been sent off way before that for that very late nasty challenge.
What was a foul?
Hopefully not the player who head the ball down?
Post by: kev on October 29, 2012, 03:03:40 PM
It was never offside, but it was also a blatant foul so right decision but for wrong reasons.
Also Suarez should have been sent off way before that for that very late nasty challenge.
What was a foul?
Hopefully not the player who head the ball down?
So how many arms are you allowed to keep the defender down with then?
Post by: elan on October 29, 2012, 03:29:59 PM
It was never offside, but it was also a blatant foul so right decision but for wrong reasons.
Also Suarez should have been sent off way before that for that very late nasty challenge.
What was a foul?
Hopefully not the player who head the ball down?
So how many arms are you allowed to keep the defender down with then?
Par for the course, especially when the defender get's caught sleeping. The attacker reacted quicker than the defender, so as bad as it looks......game over.
Post by: giggsy11 on October 29, 2012, 03:56:28 PM
It was never offside, but it was also a blatant foul so right decision but for wrong reasons.
Also Suarez should have been sent off way before that for that very late nasty challenge.
I thought you were talking a
It was never offside, but it was also a blatant foul so right decision but for wrong reasons.
Also Suarez should have been sent off way before that for that very late nasty challenge.
What was a foul?
Hopefully not the player who head the ball down?
So how many arms are you allowed to keep the defender down with then?
I thought you were talking about the foul when he kicked the Everton winger who was tearing dem up on the left side. He ended up getting sub at halftime cause he got injured when Suarez kicked him.
Post by: Bakes on October 29, 2012, 08:50:42 PM
It was never offside, but it was also a blatant foul so right decision but for wrong reasons.
Also Suarez should have been sent off way before that for that very late nasty challenge.
Bullshit.
There was no "challenge"... Distin cut in front of Suarez as any good defender would do, and Suarez step on his achilles, appears to be by accident... some claim he did it deliberately. Say what you will of Suarez he's not a dirty player and had no reason to deliberately stamp Distin in that situation. The only thing in his history that suggests he's dirty is the biting incident in the Eredivisie 2 yrs ago.
That aside... that was never a foul on Coates, Jagielka himself never even protested or complained that he was fouled. Coates is 6'7... Jagielka is 6'0 and never had a chance to beat Coates in the air as late as he jumped. To say that he kept Jagielka down with two arms is nonsense. Besides... even assuming it was a foul (which it wasn't), it wasn't called... so again, what was the call? Blown call... so it goes.
Post by: boss on October 30, 2012, 07:11:59 PM
Thank you. :beermug:
(Edit: More information about Anne Williams here: http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/anne-williams-in-new-fight)
Post by: elan on November 08, 2012, 02:33:28 PM
Anzhi blanks Liverpool to top Group A (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1218826/listless-liverpool-loses-europa-top-spot-to-anzhi?cc=5901)
November 8, 2012
By ESPN.com news services
Liverpool conceded top spot in Group A to Europa League opponents Anzhi Makhachkala after falling 1-0 in Moscow.
Giant striker Lacina Traore scored a brilliant individual goal as the visitors lost focus seconds before halftime.
The result, the Reds' first-ever away defeat in the group stage and only their third loss in 22 European matches, allowed the Russian club to assume pole position.
Anzhi may play 1,000 miles away from their home in Dagestan because of security issues but they remain strong on Russian turf and made it five successive European home wins.
It was always going to be a tough assignment for Liverpool as manager Brendan Rodgers, with Sunday's trip to Chelsea in mind and unperturbed by a weakened team's Capital One Cup exit against Swansea last week, opted to leave his big-name stars at home.
As a result he selected nine Englishmen, in a starting XI with an average age of just under 24, in a 3-5-2 formation.
It meant Conor Coady, who captained England Under-17s to their first European Championships title in 2010, made his debut in an icy-cold Lokomotiv Stadium.
The Liverpool-born 19-year-old has progressed through the club's academy and was given his chance having been an unused first-team substitute three times.
Striker Adam Morgan, 18, was making only his second start but, having been prolific throughout youth level Rodgers remains hopeful he will eventually make the step up and he was given the difficult job of leading the line.
At the other end of the scale Joe Cole, on his 31st birthday, struggled to make an impact again after a woeful 45 minutes against the Swans.
Post by: Bakes on November 09, 2012, 04:27:10 AM
What really going on with alyuh
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It was always going to be a tough assignment for Liverpool as manager Brendan Rodgers, with Sunday's trip to Chelsea in mind and unperturbed by a weakened team's Capital One Cup exit against Swansea last week, opted to leave his big-name stars at home.
As a result he selected nine Englishmen, in a starting XI with an average age of just under 24, in a 3-5-2 formation.
It meant Conor Coady, who captained England Under-17s to their first European Championships title in 2010, made his debut in an icy-cold Lokomotiv Stadium.
The Liverpool-born 19-year-old has progressed through the club's academy and was given his chance having been an unused first-team substitute three times.
Striker Adam Morgan, 18, was making only his second start but, having been prolific throughout youth level Rodgers remains hopeful he will eventually make the step up and he was given the difficult job of leading the line.
At the other end of the scale Joe Cole, on his 31st birthday, struggled to make an impact again after a woeful 45 minutes against the Swans.
Didn't see the match but seems like Rodgers put out a team of squad players rather than overworking the first team regulars.
Post by: kaliman2006 on November 11, 2012, 10:25:46 AM
1-0 Chelsea
Post by: kaliman2006 on November 11, 2012, 11:36:20 AM
Suarez scores again.
1-1
Post by: Bakes on November 11, 2012, 11:53:31 AM
Post by: D.H.W on November 11, 2012, 12:29:58 PM
Post by: Tenorsaw on November 11, 2012, 08:56:05 PM
Got back in just in time to see the equalizer... sublime flick on by Carra.
Honestly was not expecting that flick-on from Carragher; he had a decent match.
Post by: Bakes on November 11, 2012, 10:14:26 PM
Got back in just in time to see the equalizer... sublime flick on by Carra.
Honestly was not expecting that flick-on from Carragher; he had a decent match.
Him and Enrique... good shifts by both, but yeah, I owe Carra an apology.
Post by: boss on December 10, 2012, 02:15:34 PM
Post by: Tenorsaw on December 10, 2012, 04:15:46 PM
Into the top half of the table, and only 4 points off 4th place :beermug:
Hopefully, with some reinforcements to come in January. Team is starting to adjust to Rodgers' methods. That was a tough game yesterday. High press all game, but fellas moved the ball around decently and the Hammers understandably showed some exhaustion after about 65 mins.
Post by: Bakes on December 10, 2012, 10:31:12 PM
Post by: Bitter on December 30, 2012, 11:41:28 AM
Post by: Bakes on December 30, 2012, 11:52:09 AM
Preseason scrimmage.
Nothing is for granted with this team... we'll take it.
Post by: Observer on January 02, 2013, 04:41:43 PM
Post by: Deeks on January 02, 2013, 06:34:05 PM
Love him or hate him, Suarez is a baller & he carrying Liverpool on he back.
Totally agree.
Post by: Bakes on January 02, 2013, 06:48:23 PM
Love him or hate him, Suarez is a baller & he carrying Liverpool on he back.
He in stunning form right now... hopefully the signing of Sturridge, and possibly Ince as well, will ease the burden a little bit.
Post by: boss on January 02, 2013, 07:57:47 PM
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Post by: Bakes on January 03, 2013, 01:25:38 AM
Post by: elan on January 08, 2013, 02:24:23 PM
Tuesday December 11,2012
By Paul Joyce
(http://images.dailyexpress.co.uk/img/dynamic/67/285x214/364041_1.jpg#Liverpool-s)
Liverpool's Glen Johnson benefits from his new fitness regime
ONE OF the first points made to Brendan Rodgers when he took charge at Liverpool was that victories such as Sunday’s notable triumph against West Ham would not be possible.
Not because Sam Allardyce’s side was expected to tear it up in the Premier League. Rather that one of the main performers, Glen Johnson, who opened the scoring with a blistering drive in the 3-2 win, would not be available for selection.
Rodgers was told it was highly unlikely Johnson could play three matches in a week, as he has just done.
Steven Gerrard and Daniel Agger would also struggle to make repeat appearances.
Game by game the myth is being dismantled.
The art of management is governed by player availability and as Liverpool display the green shoots of recovery following a difficult start to the campaign, another piece in the jigsaw is being put in place.
Agger is enjoying his best run of Premier League appearances. The only match he has not started this season was due to suspension.
Gerrard is the only player to feature for every minute of every league game and Johnson, in the form of his life, is now playing midweek matches, as was the case against Udinese in the Europa League last Thursday.
The improvement is not down to luck. Liverpool’s medical team, which includes Glen Driscoll as head of performance, have improved how they protect and condition players.
Instead of pulling players out of games, the idea is to manage their recovery better which is achieved, in one instance, by modifying training sessions using small spaces rather than full-scale pitches.
“You can easily prevent injury by wrapping your players in cotton wool and not letting them play games, but that isn’t the point,” said Driscoll, who first worked with Rodgers at Reading before joining him at Chelsea, Swansea and now Anfield.
“For Steven, Dan and Glen it was a simple process of looking back at every soft tissue injury, hamstring and calf strains are examples] that they had over the past two seasons and going through the process of analysing their training and recovery between matches and before each injury.
“Steven, for example, covers 120metres a minute in a game and in training previously he was hitting 90m a minute.
He is currently performing to 30 per cent of his average speed and only 10 per cent of his highintensity distance in the training sessions before matches, compared to when he got those previous injuries, which aids his recovery and reduces fatigue in preparation.
“In pre-season, we did say with confidence to Steven that we could keep him fit and recover him better, so that he could have another three or four years playing at a high level if he wanted.”
It may seem that Liverpool are divulging some of their secrets.
Another area looked at has been the removal of gym work on certain days because it does not aid recovery.
Yet the reality is that without Rodgers’ own understanding of the process, and willingness to embrace it, the facts and figures would be largely redundant.
“Controlling the extrinsic causes of injuries means controlling the training on the football pitch and understanding that it is all down to space, numbers of players and duration,” said Driscoll, who is aided by physio Chris Morgan and Ryland Morgans, another recruit from Swansea who is head of fi tness and conditioning.
“In football drills these decisions allow you to either protect or condition footballers. When to place these sessions in context to your next or previous match is the key.
“Many sport scientists don’t understand this, let alone managers. Some do but don’t have the influence to affect the management and their training.
“The beauty here is we have a manager who not only gets it but manipulates it as part of his own methods to achieve success and protect players from injury.
“The manager is aware that each player has a threshold level and if he goes above that threshold then the probability of injury in the next match rises.”
Players such as Luis Suarez, who only ever seems to miss games due to suspension, are regarded as being “relatively unbreakable”.
Others need more careful handling. The fact both groups are playing together shows the progress being made.
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Post by: Trini Madness on January 21, 2013, 01:30:32 PM
Sturridge has definitely shown he could be a difference-maker so far, if we get Sneijder as they're trying to do, we might be able to sneak into the Top 4. Sitting tied for sixth right now with Arsenal and WBA, but Arsenal have a game in hand.
we're no longer getting sneijder, he made the decision to go to gala. liverpool have made a bid for coutinho.
Post by: kaliman2006 on January 27, 2013, 11:08:46 AM
This FA Cup tie is turning into a nightmare....
Post by: kaliman2006 on January 27, 2013, 11:57:45 AM
3-1 to Oldham now.
This FA Cup tie is turning into a nightmare....
The nightmare is complete. Liverpool are out of the FA Cup, and with this exit, so goes Liverpool's realistic chances for any silverware this season.
Post by: D.H.W on January 27, 2013, 11:57:48 AM
Post by: kaliman2006 on January 27, 2013, 11:58:46 AM
Oldham beat Liverpool in FA cup. Wtf
The second Oldham goal was the dagger. The Liverpool keeper do real tata on that low cross.
Post by: Bakes on January 27, 2013, 12:45:20 PM
Post by: kaliman2006 on January 27, 2013, 01:44:15 PM
Jones do real shit on that... then the marginal offside call on the Suarez goal. I not even mad... silverware be damned, we need to focus on 4th place now that it within range. Everything else is trinkets and baubles.
Agreed; especially if Suarez is stay at Anfield. As much as admire his loyalty to the club, it would be difficult to resist the temptation to move to a more successful club in England or elsewhere, if Liverpool's league positions do not improve quickly.
Post by: elan on January 27, 2013, 01:56:16 PM
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Post by: D.H.W on January 27, 2013, 04:30:10 PM
Post by: Bakes on January 27, 2013, 04:53:22 PM
That 3 front high pressure from Oldham had Liverpool in bits.
Not at all... Oldham hardly threatened, not sure which game you watched. Liverpool concede three goals on three mistakes, all by reserve players. On the first goal by Smith Coates was arguably fouled when Smith but his forearm on his shoulder to get leverage to go up for the cross. Even so, Coates should have boxed him out better. Same exact thing on the cross for the third goal when Robinson failed to keep a body on the black dude, who headed in the cross. On Smith's second goal Jones drop an easy chest-high bouncer across the box.
Meanwhile just in the second half alone Borini missed a sitter seconds after the intermission, and Gerrard absolutely rocked the crossbar... not to mention again, the marginal offside call against Suarez. As for Suarez, he's enjoying one of the finest seasons of his career and it should only get better with the addition of Sturridge. The club has markedly improved in the year he's been at Anfield, not just in positioning in the table, but in the way the team is playing. He's not going anywhere... not even sure why that is being mentioned.
Post by: Bakes on January 27, 2013, 04:58:22 PM
Liverfool looks like a thinly threaded team. I could have sworn I saw one of the guys tell Suarez to f**k off after he took a shot and Suarez was shouting he was open. That was the second or third time I saw something like that from them. Don't think there is a whole lot of cohesiveness in the camp.
Lol... it amazing to watch people over react to things looking on from the outside. That "one of the guys" was the same Jack Robinson who misplayed a shot off his shin into the stands rather than passing to Suarez... who yelled at him after the shot. Rodgers too was upset at the shot. Robinson told Suarez to "f**k off"... but Suarez yells at everybody, even Gerrard whenever he wants the ball and doesn't get it. That is a normal thing for people who watch every game. What is also apparent is that all of them love Suarez and he loves playing with them as well. None ah we on the training ground or in the locker room to really see... but there is nothing of substance in that "cohesiveness" talk.
Post by: elan on January 27, 2013, 10:39:33 PM
That 3 front high pressure from Oldham had Liverpool in bits.
Not at all... Oldham hardly threatened, not sure which game you watched. Liverpool concede three goals on three mistakes, all by reserve players. On the first goal by Smith Coates was arguably fouled when Smith but his forearm on his shoulder to get leverage to go up for the cross. Even so, Coates should have boxed him out better. Same exact thing on the cross for the third goal when Robinson failed to keep a body on the black dude, who headed in the cross. On Smith's second goal Jones drop an easy chest-high bouncer across the box.
Meanwhile just in the second half alone Borini missed a sitter seconds after the intermission, and Gerrard absolutely rocked the crossbar... not to mention again, the marginal offside call against Suarez. As for Suarez, he's enjoying one of the finest seasons of his career and it should only get better with the addition of Sturridge. The club has markedly improved in the year he's been at Anfield, not just in positioning in the table, but in the way the team is playing. He's not going anywhere... not even sure why that is being mentioned.
From what I saw - not talking specifically about the goals just in the run of play - a various instances Oldham pressed Liverpool when the fullbacks separated from the CBs and caused many problems early on. After Liverpool went down 1-0, they seemed rattled and was playing as though it was the last 10 minutes when it was only the first 10 minutes. The press from Oldham though not sustained, caused many problems for Liverpool. Sterling had to come deep to retrieve the ball and had to do a lot of defending deep in Liverpool end. I did not catch the entire game (went to church), but Oldham played a fearless game.
Post by: Bakes on January 28, 2013, 12:47:12 AM
Post by: Trini Madness on January 28, 2013, 04:21:25 PM
Post by: Deeks on January 28, 2013, 05:11:52 PM
Suarez should leave.
Not because they lost the FA to Oldham. I love the FA, but like someone mentioned a 4th place in the EPL is more desireable for 'pool.
Post by: MEP on January 29, 2013, 12:16:37 AM
That 3 front high pressure from Oldham had Liverpool in bits.
Not at all... Oldham hardly threatened, not sure which game you watched. Liverpool concede three goals on three mistakes, all by reserve players. On the first goal by Smith Coates was arguably fouled when Smith but his forearm on his shoulder to get leverage to go up for the cross. Even so, Coates should have boxed him out better. Same exact thing on the cross for the third goal when Robinson failed to keep a body on the black dude, who headed in the cross. On Smith's second goal Jones drop an easy chest-high bouncer across the box.
Meanwhile just in the second half alone Borini missed a sitter seconds after the intermission, and Gerrard absolutely rocked the crossbar... not to mention again, the marginal offside call against Suarez. As for Suarez, he's enjoying one of the finest seasons of his career and it should only get better with the addition of Sturridge. The club has markedly improved in the year he's been at Anfield, not just in positioning in the table, but in the way the team is playing. He's not going anywhere... not even sure why that is being mentioned.
From what I saw - not talking specifically about the goals just in the run of play - a various instances Oldham pressed Liverpool when the fullbacks separated from the CBs and caused many problems early on. After Liverpool went down 1-0, they seemed rattled and was playing as though it was the last 10 minutes when it was only the first 10 minutes. The press from Oldham though not sustained, caused many problems for Liverpool. Sterling had to come deep to retrieve the ball and had to do a lot of defending deep in Liverpool end. I did not catch the entire game (went to church), but Oldham played a fearless game.
Liverfool looks like a thinly threaded team. I could have sworn I saw one of the guys tell Suarez to f**k off after he took a shot and Suarez was shouting he was open. That was the second or third time I saw something like that from them. Don't think there is a whole lot of cohesiveness in the camp.
Lol... it amazing to watch people over react to things looking on from the outside. That "one of the guys" was the same Jack Robinson who misplayed a shot off his shin into the stands rather than passing to Suarez... who yelled at him after the shot. Rodgers too was upset at the shot. Robinson told Suarez to "f**k off"... but Suarez yells at everybody, even Gerrard whenever he wants the ball and doesn't get it. That is a normal thing for people who watch every game. What is also apparent is that all of them love Suarez and he loves playing with them as well. None ah we on the training ground or in the locker room to really see... but there is nothing of substance in that "cohesiveness" talk.
Padnah ah eh know if you ever been around teams but when a man clearly says fack off to one of his teammates something is wrong especially when it is said to one who is wearing the armband then all isn't well. Fack off is dismissive it means leave me alone I'm not playing a team sport. If his first response could be that look at yuh team implode as the season continues.
Post by: Bakes on January 29, 2013, 01:59:43 AM
Padnah ah eh know if you ever been around teams but when a man clearly says fack off to one of his teammates something is wrong especially when it is said to one who is wearing the armband then all isn't well. Fack off is dismissive it means leave me alone I'm not playing a team sport. If his first response could be that look at yuh team implode as the season continues.
Suarez wasn't wearing the armband at the time... him wearing the armband at all was a joke. Rodgers probably just trying to calm him down. As I said, you probably not familiar with the dynamic between Suarez and the rest of the team... while I wouldn't pretend to know, I'm pretty sure I have a better read on this one. You are the only person who thought that interaction was significant. Most of us just laugh it off. Liverpool will not implode... feel free to come back at the end of the season and see who was right.
Post by: Feliziano on January 29, 2013, 09:32:11 AM
Post by: boss on January 29, 2013, 03:51:19 PM
Just waiting on a work permit for Phillipe Coutinho now...my main concern is this player might be too small in size and had a hard time coming to terms with the Italian league.
I have the same concern. Also, I think we have enough young players and we're really crying out for more experience; someone in the mould of Jari Litmanen or Gary McAllister to add some leadership. I know Gerrard and Carragher fit that description, but someone else could shake things up in a positive way. :beermug:
Post by: rotatopoti3 on January 30, 2013, 06:42:18 PM
Hope they could buy Julio Caesar right now...
Post by: Tenorsaw on January 31, 2013, 11:34:06 AM
Liverpool need ah new goalkeeper.....
Hope they could buy Julio Caesar right now...
Julio Caesar known for his howlers too. While he seems to be finding some form, he still seems vulnerable to the cross ball. Yeah, Reina was caught flat-footed yesterday on Walcott's goal, but he had a decent game. I actually think he has been coming into some form, and that we should not sell him in the summer.
Post by: Mango Chow! on January 31, 2013, 02:15:28 PM
Liverpool need ah new goalkeeper.....
Hope they could buy Julio Caesar right now...
Julio Caesar known for his howlers too. While he seems to be finding some form, he still seems vulnerable to the cross ball. Yeah, Reina was caught flat-footed yesterday on Walcott's goal, but he had a decent game. I actually think he has been coming into some form, and that we should not sell him in the summer.
I actually think he had a decent game, too and also agree that he has been coming back into some form lately.....the header is what I think he would be more disappointed in himself for, but it was from close range....It's the pace of Walcott's shot that caught him flat-footed and I think it was beating most 'keepers. Walcott murdered that ball.
Post by: dinho on January 31, 2013, 03:53:17 PM
Liverpool need ah new goalkeeper.....
Hope they could buy Julio Caesar right now...
Julio Caesar known for his howlers too. While he seems to be finding some form, he still seems vulnerable to the cross ball. Yeah, Reina was caught flat-footed yesterday on Walcott's goal, but he had a decent game. I actually think he has been coming into some form, and that we should not sell him in the summer.
I actually think he had a decent game, too and also agree that he has been coming back into some form lately.....the header is what I think he would be more disappointed in himself for, but it was from close range....It's the pace of Walcott's shot that caught him flat-footed and I think it was beating most 'keepers. Walcott murdered that ball.
The shot had pace, but Reina coulda at least put ah hand.. Oh gosh man, it pass right there by his foot..
Don't know if he wouldve saved that, but it look like a little bit of a mental lapse because he seemed like he wasn't expecting a shot. Better you let the shot beat you for pace than being beat by the shot because you were not ready for it.
Post by: Bakes on January 31, 2013, 04:25:52 PM
Post by: Feliziano on January 31, 2013, 06:03:38 PM
Liverpool need ah new goalkeeper.....
Hope they could buy Julio Caesar right now...
yuh talking excessive shit
we might need a new keeper this summer but not Cesar
Post by: Mango Chow! on January 31, 2013, 06:16:48 PM
Liverpool need ah new goalkeeper.....
Hope they could buy Julio Caesar right now...
Julio Caesar known for his howlers too. While he seems to be finding some form, he still seems vulnerable to the cross ball. Yeah, Reina was caught flat-footed yesterday on Walcott's goal, but he had a decent game. I actually think he has been coming into some form, and that we should not sell him in the summer.
I actually think he had a decent game, too and also agree that he has been coming back into some form lately.....the header is what I think he would be more disappointed in himself for, but it was from close range....It's the pace of Walcott's shot that caught him flat-footed and I think it was beating most 'keepers. Walcott murdered that ball.
The shot had pace, but Reina coulda at least put ah hand.. Oh gosh man, it pass right there by his foot..
Don't know if he wouldve saved that, but it look like a little bit of a mental lapse because he seemed like he wasn't expecting a shot. Better you let the shot beat you for pace than being beat by the shot because you were not ready for it.
But he WAS beaten for pace and he WAS expecting a shot....just, not that hard!! Come on, Dinho, you've been there man....you ready to make a save and dat forward (or whomever) surprise your ass with one hellafied bullet.....dize exactly how it look....Walcott had surprise me and all!
Post by: D.H.W on February 03, 2013, 10:45:33 AM
Post by: D.H.W on February 03, 2013, 11:31:24 AM
Post by: giggsy11 on February 03, 2013, 11:35:22 AM
Post by: D.H.W on February 03, 2013, 11:36:49 AM
Post by: giggsy11 on February 03, 2013, 11:38:00 AM
Rena is a c**t boy
If again! But Kun make him pay!
Post by: Observer on February 03, 2013, 11:41:00 AM
Rena is a c**t boy
If again! But Kun make him pay!
Kun with a bit of genius, but Pepe had a major brain fart, as a matter of fact he shit he self ;D
Post by: giggsy11 on February 03, 2013, 11:47:16 AM
Rena is a c**t boy
If again! But Kun make him pay!
Kun with a bit of genius, but Pepe had a major brain fart, as a matter of fact he shit he self ;D
Ah remember when Kun was still playing in LaLiga, I possed the question, "I don't see what was so special about him". And you responded by saying he is young give him a chance, because he is good. ;D Well you were right and continue to be right. He, I believe is Citeh's most important player and the engine that drives them.
Post by: D.H.W on February 03, 2013, 11:54:28 AM
Post by: Bakes on February 03, 2013, 11:55:27 AM
Post by: Tenorsaw on February 03, 2013, 12:08:16 PM
Post by: Mango Chow! on February 03, 2013, 12:15:19 PM
Rena is a c**t boy
If again! But Kun make him pay!
Kun with a bit of genius, but Pepe had a major brain fart, as a matter of fact he shit he self ;D
Ah remember when Kun was still playing in LaLiga, I possed the question, "I don't see what was so special about him". And you responded by saying he is young give him a chance, because he is good. ;D Well you were right and continue to be right. He, I believe is Citeh's most important player and the engine that drives them.
He was givin' dem liverpool defenders rel beans today. Ah see him beat enough man today!!
I eh know what again to say 'bout reina.....he now comin' orff injury so ah guess he was testing himself on short sprints.
Post by: Bakes on February 03, 2013, 12:20:52 PM
Sturridge was pure class today. Good buy. Gotta look at the positives: we buying smart now.
Best player on the pitch by a mile... Chelsea must be feeling extra smart with deyself now.
Post by: Mango Chow! on February 03, 2013, 12:23:58 PM
Sturridge was pure class today. Good buy. Gotta look at the positives: we buying smart now.
He was....I always liked him, but I eh sure how well he was being utilized (at Chelsea) or how much of a fair shake he was getting, especially from the Chelsea fans themselves. They was doggin' de man on every blog or networking website yuh could find and had to wonder how much of it was getting back to him at the bridge.....At least yuh know it eh go have no Chelsea fan bitchin' and moaning for 2 seasons like no woman scorned about his departure or any events or comments revolving around his departure. I, personally, wish him well.
Post by: kaliman2006 on February 03, 2013, 01:10:12 PM
I will take that draw
It's United's title to lose now; surely lightening cyah strike twice and City is going to have a ridiculous run of victories to even push United close.
As a Liverpool fan, this gives me no pleasure, but oh well...
Post by: rotatopoti3 on February 03, 2013, 06:00:55 PM
Either he lacking confidence or just not focused... maybe too late this season but if we want champions league....he is d missing link for me this rounds...Liverpool playing with 10 men....
Post by: Observer on February 04, 2013, 09:39:10 AM
Post by: Fyzoman on February 04, 2013, 12:46:43 PM
The talking point was not kicking the ball out for Dezko being down. Check this, he was fine hands up in the air complaining, then when he realize Pool attacking he lay down to kill the game. However, right after the goal score, Dezko jump up and start arguing with the assistand referee. No physio, or stretcher, no more rolling around. The referee should have carded his cheating ass .
I feel eventually we will have to get to a point where we do something (probably video review after games? Or something!!!!) about players doing this crap. But yeah that was a classic example with Dzeko yesterday, how he jump up good. good, good, and was berating the linesman after going down and staying down hoping they stop the game....steups!!!
Post by: Bourbon on February 04, 2013, 06:29:04 PM
Post by: Bakes on February 05, 2013, 01:17:02 AM
The talking point was not kicking the ball out for Dezko being down. Check this, he was fine hands up in the air complaining, then when he realize Pool attacking he lay down to kill the game. However, right after the goal score, Dezko jump up and start arguing with the assistand referee. No physio, or stretcher, no more rolling around. The referee should have carded his cheating ass .
I feel eventually we will have to get to a point where we do something (probably video review after games? Or something!!!!) about players doing this crap. But yeah that was a classic example with Dzeko yesterday, how he jump up good. good, good, and was berating the linesman after going down and staying down hoping they stop the game....steups!!!
What you do is just what the ref did... ignore his ass. If a player wants to be selfish and fake an injury by lying down, deliberately subjecting his team to having play at a deficit, then let him do so at his peril. The thing is, it wasn't even a clear cut foul, it was 50-50 at best. He saw Agger coming and throw he body in front of Agger rather than playing the ball. Yes there was contact, and YES I have seen that given many-a-time. I never liked the call... 50-50 ball each man have equal right to go for the ball, why should one make no attempt to play it at all, playing instead for a foul, and be rewarded for that? God non-call by the ref. Let Mancini, Dzeko and City suck salt on dat one.
Post by: Observer on February 05, 2013, 09:34:06 AM
As I will reiterate again ..time to get rid of Reina....
Either he lacking confidence or just not focused... maybe too late this season but if we want champions league....he is d missing link for me this rounds...Liverpool playing with 10 men....
All goalkeepers go through some rough spells, look what Peter Chech went through. I think he will be fine, players don't become poor players overnight. Once he makes some big saves, gets his confidence back he will be fine.
Post by: boss on February 07, 2013, 03:21:28 PM
Post by: Bakes on February 07, 2013, 05:24:32 PM
Thank you, Jamie Carragher. For everything. :beermug:
His transition to coaching should be smooth... only question is whether it would be for club or country.
Post by: Mango Chow! on February 07, 2013, 05:55:44 PM
As I will reiterate again ..time to get rid of Reina....
Either he lacking confidence or just not focused... maybe too late this season but if we want champions league....he is d missing link for me this rounds...Liverpool playing with 10 men....
All goalkeepers go through some rough spells, look what Peter Chech went through. I think he will be fine, players don't become poor players overnight. Once he makes some big saves, gets his confidence back he will be fine.
Believe it or not, I actually like Reina....he is a good GK, have excellent reflexes, is quick on his eet and his distribution is excellent....he just have he mad, error-prone streak in him (like Grobelaar and David James did before him) that seems to have afflicted most of their GK's except Brad Freidel....Reina seems to be going through a very rough spell these past few seasons....hopefully (for his sake) he WILL get past it, as you say.
Post by: giggsy11 on February 07, 2013, 06:05:29 PM
Post by: boss on February 07, 2013, 07:03:51 PM
Carragher- good footballer, better and classier person!
:beermug:
Post by: Mango Chow! on February 07, 2013, 07:23:45 PM
Carragher- good footballer, better and classier person!
One of very few liverpool players I ever liked and respected....Great, hard-nosed (clean) tackler and pure, pure class. One of the few defenders in England that coulda shut down Drogba....if not the only one!
Post by: kaliman2006 on February 11, 2013, 03:48:57 PM
This is football...
Post by: Trini Madness on February 11, 2013, 03:54:50 PM
Post by: Bakes on February 11, 2013, 04:50:06 PM
Post by: Observer on February 11, 2013, 05:13:48 PM
As I tell Tenor and them on FB... I shutting it down fuh de season. Waste ah time, season over.
Like Aggar feel the same way as you. Lard! he struggle. As a matter of fact Johnson was awful as well. >:(
Post by: Bakes on February 11, 2013, 06:45:21 PM
As I tell Tenor and them on FB... I shutting it down fuh de season. Waste ah time, season over.
Like Aggar feel the same way as you. Lard! he struggle. As a matter of fact Johnson was awful as well. >:(
I didn't see the game... recorded it but after getting the report I eh wasting mih time. Agger has been largely solid these past two seasons, but been real up and down the last couple games.
Post by: kaliman2006 on February 11, 2013, 07:58:53 PM
What Liverpool needs to do is become "bad mind" like United if it wants to begin challenging for league titles again. When I say "bad mind" I mean winning games that it has no business winning. Many times Utd play very indifferently and yet come away with the 3 points. This is what Liverpool needs to aspire to.
Post by: Bakes on February 11, 2013, 08:46:44 PM
Liverpool has been in a transitional period for quite a while now, so I had realistic expectations for this season and the speculation over Liverpool finishing fourth was fanciful and premature in my opinion. Despite the inconsistent results, I like what Rodgers is trying to do with the team and I believe that he needs another season with the club in order to begin seeing his philosophy coming to fruition.
What Liverpool needs to do is become "bad mind" like United if it wants to begin challenging for league titles again. When I say "bad mind" I mean winning games that it has no business winning. Many times Utd play very indifferently and yet come away with the 3 points. This is what Liverpool needs to aspire to.
Please "badmind" eh have nutten to do with it. Ferguson buy a 23-goal scorer to go along with Rooney and Chicharito... an abundance of riches anyway you cut it. Yes the senior leadership they have allows them to have the right mindset in close game and when trailing at the end of games in particular, but where would all that "bad mind" have them without Van Persie? Liverpool creates too many chances that go a-begging right now, we need clinical finishers.
As for the rest... Rodgers has the club headed in the right direction, even though defensively we have slipped noticeably. I didn't expect nothing better than 6th this season... but they played well enough to tease with thoughts of 4th place, and they still might get it... but I ent getting caught up. On to next season.
Post by: dinho on February 11, 2013, 10:25:24 PM
Carragher- good footballer, better and classier person!
One of very few liverpool players I ever liked and respected....Great, hard-nosed (clean) tackler and pure, pure class. One of the few defenders in England that coulda shut down Drogba....if not the only one!
Them was some epic battles, but is shut down de Drogs yuh say?? Like yuh forget this one...
https://www.youtube.com/v/yIcPR15n7ss
Post by: dinho on February 11, 2013, 10:27:50 PM
Post by: MEP on February 11, 2013, 11:28:22 PM
As I tell Tenor and them on FB... I shutting it down fuh de season. Waste ah time, season over.
eh hemmm...allyuh go win tree more and tie bout four games
Liverfool problems eh on de pitch...
Post by: Bakes on February 12, 2013, 12:01:47 AM
As I tell Tenor and them on FB... I shutting it down fuh de season. Waste ah time, season over.
eh hemmm...allyuh go win tree more and tie bout four games
Liverfool problems eh on de pitch...
Come with yuh proof... you's de only man I read on de internet who assume that there are backroom problems at the club. If yuh have some info (other than Flanagan telling Suarez tuh "f**k off" the other day) then share it.
Post by: Mango Chow! on February 12, 2013, 01:37:04 PM
Carragher- good footballer, better and classier person!
One of very few liverpool players I ever liked and respected....Great, hard-nosed (clean) tackler and pure, pure class. One of the few defenders in England that coulda shut down Drogba....if not the only one!
Them was some epic battles, but is shut down de Drogs yuh say?? Like yuh forget this one...
https://www.youtube.com/v/yIcPR15n7ss
lol! Nah, I eh forget at all....Drogs eventually was getting the better of damned near every defender dat come to try and deal wit him, but there were a few games well, when he couldn't do nutting against Carragher....de man was a beast!
Post by: kaliman2006 on February 12, 2013, 04:05:55 PM
Liverpool has been in a transitional period for quite a while now, so I had realistic expectations for this season and the speculation over Liverpool finishing fourth was fanciful and premature in my opinion. Despite the inconsistent results, I like what Rodgers is trying to do with the team and I believe that he needs another season with the club in order to begin seeing his philosophy coming to fruition.
What Liverpool needs to do is become "bad mind" like United if it wants to begin challenging for league titles again. When I say "bad mind" I mean winning games that it has no business winning. Many times Utd play very indifferently and yet come away with the 3 points. This is what Liverpool needs to aspire to.
Please "badmind" eh have nutten to do with it. Ferguson buy a 23-goal scorer to go along with Rooney and Chicharito... an abundance of riches anyway you cut it. Yes the senior leadership they have allows them to have the right mindset in close game and when trailing at the end of games in particular, but where would all that "bad mind" have them without Van Persie? Liverpool creates too many chances that go a-begging right now, we need clinical finishers.
As for the rest... Rodgers has the club headed in the right direction, even though defensively we have slipped noticeably. I didn't expect nothing better than 6th this season... but they played well enough to tease with thoughts of 4th place, and they still might get it... but I ent getting caught up. On to next season.
I hear what you are saying, but I am sure that you are aware that talent alone does not guarantee success. You can stack a team full of talent; however if they fail to work well together, then they may not play up their fullest potential. Look at Man City. Great case in point. I think that City has a squad that has just as much talent as Utd's and yet sits 12 points behind Utd in the table. I can offer a reason why. Mancini is not as good of a man-manager as Ferguson, and I would even go as far to say that it was only Utd's uncharacteristic wobble that paved the way for City to win the title last season and even then, City almost lost its chance.
What I realize with Ferguson is that he hates to lose and this is why he always pushes to win games, even ones in which Utd has not performed well in. Of course, this competitive spirit has manifested itself in negative ways,with his constant condemnations of the officiating in games Utd has not won, but, like or dislike him, he gets results..
Post by: Mango Chow! on February 14, 2013, 02:41:23 PM
Post by: dwolfman on February 17, 2013, 01:01:17 PM
Post by: diamondtrim on February 19, 2013, 11:18:21 AM
I recently had the opportunity and privilege to observe the inner workings of a few of the top (and not so top) clubs in the UK and was really amazed at what I saw.
My take on my Liverpool (Anfield) experience:
Liverpool is one of the biggest and most storied clubs, not only in England, but in Europe and throughout the world. It's history is near unparalleled. For the Liverpool fan, a visit to Anfield supposed to bring out a sense of pride and fulfillment...joy of being privy to this great club. For the neutral man, the man who loves his football, the man who sees football and its associated advances, even the man remotely familiar with the game and its intricacies, Anfield brings about different feelings.
For a club that aspires to once again conquer England and Europe, Anfield leaves a lot to be desired. To put it mildly....Anfield is pathetic. It's facilities are poor, shabby and downright depressing. Don't get me wrong, Liverpool's training facilities are absolutely remarkable and top notch....but games aren't played there are they. Imagine prepping for a date with your gorgeous best girl friend and then having the actual date with a monster. Broken tables in the meeting rooms, a severely cramped press room that has low, HDC-type ceilings, a dressing room that seems plucked straight out of the 70's are the first to grab the eye. The players' tunnel can barely hold the two teams, one dugout houses both teams, separating them only by 2 or 3 feet, wooden seats....Anfield is stuck in the era when Liverpool was dominant. Staff there try to pass off these deficiencies as the club being a traditional one, staying true to its history and the pure love of the game. Truth be told, the club comes off as being cheap and woefully out of date. Hospitality is poor....marketing more so.
I've been to the top clubs in England and I've never seen broken tables in any of them....least of all displayed to the public. It's trophy room and museum are just sad really...poor floor planning, dank and musky....exposed ceiling work.....just pathetic.
A top player cannot be induced to sign for Liverpool if Anfield is used as an attraction....definitely not the modern day footballer who is exposed to infinitely superior facilities.
Why Liverpool has been in such a decline over the years? The answer begins with Anfield. Sure they'll have the odd win and good European run....but their home record gets worse by the season....why? The answer begins at Anfield.
A new stadium is on the horizon for Liverpool.....perhaps that may be the club's saving grace.......
Post by: Bakes on February 19, 2013, 12:21:20 PM
Post by: Observer on February 21, 2013, 04:37:06 PM
but arguably a better finisher. I does get tired just watching him.
Post by: Bakes on February 21, 2013, 11:48:29 PM
Liverpool remains a study in frustration and that will continue to be the case until the squad settles... which won't be until after the summer and into the new season.
Post by: Observer on February 22, 2013, 07:29:44 AM
Suarez is a good player getting better. The rise in quality around him in the Uruguay set up really spurred his development, and I think he's starting to flourish under Rodgers, now that the other Liverpool players are lifting their game. The arrival of Sturridge has transformed Liverpool... today's was the first good showing without him on the pitch.
Liverpool remains a study in frustration and that will continue to be the case until the squad settles... which won't be until after the summer and into the new season.
IMHO opinion Suarez shoud lead the line and Sturridge give license to roam.
Post by: Mango Chow! on February 22, 2013, 09:14:07 AM
"Hulk SMASH!!!" :whip:
....again. :devil:
Post by: Bakes on February 22, 2013, 02:41:14 PM
IMHO opinion Suarez shoud lead the line and Sturridge give license to roam.
Generally I would defer to your experience and expertise... but not this time. Sturridge prefers a central role and has flourished under Rodgers since given what he has been asking for since his Manchester City days. Suarez on the other hand is more of a freelancer. Watch any Liverpool game from start to finish and at any one point you'll find Suarez playing CAM, RW, LW... up top alone... cutting in from the wing. Since being 'freed' of the responsibility to lead the line as you say (something he was asked to do under Kenny and the first half of this season) his playmaking has really picked up.
What I notice now with the addition of Sturridge... or should I say, when Sturridge is on the pitch, is that Suarez is a great deal more comfortable in the role of playmaker, not trying to do everything himself... because of his confidence in Sturridge. Of course all of this coincides with the improved wing play of Downing and Enrique... and better midfield play thanks to improved form from Henderson and the return of Lucas. With better depth and more clinica finishing Liverpool will be favorites for a top four finish next season.
Post by: Observer on February 22, 2013, 03:52:19 PM
Post by: Bakes on February 22, 2013, 05:16:37 PM
What you explain is exactly why I say Suarez should lead the line. When he plays in that position he is everywhere, but more importantly he operates close to the penalty area. However, when Sturridge is on the pitch leading the line, Suarez now operates around the half line center circle. Now if he led the line , Sturridge could run off his movement, when Suarez drags defenders out of position or when he hooks wide. Almost using Suarez as a false 9. Even simpler than that why take a player that has 25 goals leading the line and move him into a position where he has to be creative, Suarez for all his qualities is no play maker (per say). Not one of Sturridge goals came from a Suarez assist. Look how he played with Forlan in the Copa America (or how Forlan played with him) and you will get an idea of what I am talking about.
Not directly at least, but there's no denying that the attention Suarez draws creates opportunities for others... particularly Sturridge sitting in a central attacking position. As for why put Suarez in more of a creative role... because he's not a clinical finisher. He's certainly nowhere near the class that Sturridge is as a finisher. He does very well to create chances for himself and others... he lacks a finishing touch.
Suarez's conversion rate at Liverpool: 9.26%. Av conversion rate in PL 2011/12: 13.30%
Imagine how many more goals he would have if he only finished better. Meanwhile with as much chances as he creates, he draws a disproportionate share of attention from the defense leaving others open for scoring opportunities. Prior to Sturridge this January, the only person who really capitalized on those opportunities was Bellamy... and even he was inconsistent last year mainly due to injury and the need to rest him. But with Sturridge on the pitch now, not only should Suarez draw less attention, but Sturridge will also benefit from whatever attention Suarez draws.
As for the "leading the line" thing, maybe it's me not fully understanding what you mean by it. From a strategic standpoint there's no question that Liverpool is best when the attack goes thru Suarez. From a tactical perspective (by that I mean formation), Sturridge seems to function best in a central attacking role... this is what I initially interpreted your statement to mean, have Suarez play centrally. Seems as though we might be saying the same thing without me realizing it.
Post by: Tenorsaw on February 22, 2013, 06:26:00 PM
Post by: Observer on February 22, 2013, 07:58:24 PM
Ah listening Mr. Mancini steady calling up Suarez name in he mouth. Second or third time for the season he mentioning de man name under admiration. We better brace for a 40 mil pound bid from Man City in the summer. Mancini sees him as a replacement for Tevez, who I think will move on this summer.
Mancini need to worry about himself ;D
Post by: Bakes on February 23, 2013, 12:20:07 AM
Ah listening Mr. Mancini steady calling up Suarez name in he mouth. Second or third time for the season he mentioning de man name under admiration. We better brace for a 40 mil pound bid from Man City in the summer. Mancini sees him as a replacement for Tevez, who I think will move on this summer.
I saw that today and was wondering how that does not constitute "tapping up".
Post by: asylumseeker on February 23, 2013, 06:42:18 AM
Ah listening Mr. Mancini steady calling up Suarez name in he mouth. Second or third time for the season he mentioning de man name under admiration. We better brace for a 40 mil pound bid from Man City in the summer. Mancini sees him as a replacement for Tevez, who I think will move on this summer.
Mancini need to worry about himself ;D
Ding! Ding! Ding! If I'm Suarez, I stay @ Liverpool.
(Although his argument would be Suarez is the solution that protects him).
Post by: Bakes on March 02, 2013, 01:18:22 PM
As I tell Tenor and them on FB... I shutting it down fuh de season. Waste ah time, season over.
eh hemmm...allyuh go win tree more and tie bout four games
Liverfool problems eh on de pitch...
Well Liverpool certainly seems to be coming apart at the seams... too much in-fighting in de clubhouse ::)
Post by: Feliziano on March 02, 2013, 01:54:14 PM
Post by: elan on March 02, 2013, 05:13:12 PM
Post by: Fantastic on March 02, 2013, 06:45:27 PM
Post by: Bakes on March 02, 2013, 07:24:30 PM
Bakes, ain't no way Sturridge is a better finisher than Suarez. Suarez' conversion rate has a lot to do with the fact that he's likely to shoot from the corner flag, his own six yard box, with 4 defenders in his face, etc. His touch around the goal is a lot more reliable than Sturridge, as should be obvious by the wide range of tools used to finish his goals compared to Sturridge's. I can't agree with yuh. 1-1 game with 2 mins left and an opponent picks up a loose ball in your box, who yuh choosing, Suarez or Sturridge?
Never happen. I know you not being literal, but Suarez doesn't attempt outlandish shots... I've been watching the man every game now for two years and any Liverpool fan will tell you the same. He has certainly picked it up since Sturridge's arrival, but Suarez' conversion rate had been poor since arriving at Anfield. When we led the league with shots off the frame of the goal he was the biggest culprit. I cannot begin to tell you how much time he left me pulling out my hair because he skew some shot wide from inside the 6-yard box. Sturridge has been much more clinical with his opportunities, the numbers bear it out. 1-1 game with 2 mins left and possession in the box I choosing Suarez, not because he's a better finisher, but because he trickier with the ball and just as likely to shoot, find an open team mate or win a penalty.
Post by: Bakes on March 02, 2013, 07:29:12 PM
Post by: kaliman2006 on March 03, 2013, 10:46:51 AM
Post by: Dumplingdinho on March 03, 2013, 11:57:12 AM
This Coutinho looks a player.
he was suppose to be the next big thing from brazil outside of neymar. very talented guy but cant handle the physical play. did well in spain but struggled in italy big time. IMHO he moved to italy too early. hopefully the EPL could toughen him up.
Post by: Bakes on March 04, 2013, 07:26:58 PM
This Coutinho looks a player.
he was suppose to be the next big thing from brazil outside of neymar. very talented guy but cant handle the physical play. did well in spain but struggled in italy big time. IMHO he moved to italy too early. hopefully the EPL could toughen him up.
Well here's hoping that Rodgers and them did their homework and made an informed decision regarding his ability to cope with the physical play. The Brazilian league ent exactly known for it's finesse so hopefully that was preparation enough.
Post by: Bakes on March 12, 2013, 04:48:17 PM
Post by: asylumseeker on March 28, 2013, 01:51:28 PM
Such a nice guy. :devil:
Post by: Bakes on May 01, 2013, 05:43:35 PM
Home
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Post by: FF on May 01, 2013, 06:39:42 PM
Post by: D.H.W on May 01, 2013, 06:41:52 PM
Post by: Bakes on May 13, 2013, 11:59:12 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/wyeFi0yl8pA
Post by: Bakes on August 16, 2013, 02:11:07 PM
(UK Guardian)
• Liverpool forward understood to have said sorry to team-mates
• Suárez had criticised club's stance over clause in contract
Luis Suárez returned from the cold at Liverpool on Friday when he trained with the senior squad for the first time since accusing the club and manager Brendan Rodgers of breaking promises over his future.
Rodgers ordered the Uruguay international to train away from the senior squad after his interview in the Guardian last Tuesday, when he stated his desire to join Arsenal and criticised Liverpool's stance over a £40m clause in his contract. The Liverpool manager insisted that situation would not change until Suárez apologised for his "total disrespect of the club" but it is understood the 26-year-old took that step with his team-mates on his return from Uruguay's friendly in Japan.
The Liverpool striker is also due to hold talks with Rodgers on Friday. While that relationship has been strained, and Suárez denied midweek reports in Uruguay that he had decided to remain at Anfield, he has been given little alternative but to accept his immediate future lies at Liverpool by the club's refusal to sell.
Liverpool have consistently stated their prized asset is not for sale and the principal owner John W Henry reinforced that position last week when he announced no offer from Arsenal, or a European club, would prise Suárez away so late in the transfer window.
Meanwhile, Liverpool have agreed a deal with Valencia to sign Aly Cissokho on a season-long loan, with the French left-back due on Merseyside to complete the transfer next week. Rodgers has been looking to increase competition on José Enrique all summer with Liverpool having previously made offers for Lorenzo Melgarejo at Benfica and Guilherme Siqueira of Granada.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/aug/16/luis-suarez-liverpool-apology-training
Post by: Bakes on August 17, 2013, 06:26:19 AM
Post by: Bitter on August 17, 2013, 06:47:35 AM
Post by: Bakes on August 17, 2013, 07:07:20 AM
Post by: Bitter on August 17, 2013, 07:22:52 AM
Post by: Bitter on August 17, 2013, 07:29:53 AM
Post by: Bakes on August 17, 2013, 07:30:46 AM
Walters could kick facking rocks for all that diving he does be doing. Legit penalty in this case though.
Post by: Bakes on August 17, 2013, 09:40:37 AM
Post by: Bakes on August 24, 2013, 12:32:42 PM
Post by: Bakes on August 31, 2013, 03:12:44 PM
Tactical analysis: how Liverpool have managed without Luis Suárez (UK Guardian)
The striker's main weakness is his insistence on going solo – and so far Liverpool have been more cohesive without him
While Luis Suárez remains Liverpool's most valuable footballer, there is an increasing suspicion the side is more cohesive without him. Since Brendan Rodgers took charge, Liverpool have played seven Premier League matches without the striker, collecting six victories and one draw.
Suárez's main weakness is his insistence on doing everything solo. Last season he attempted to dribble past opponents 95 times and had 187 shots at goal – in both respects, more regularly than any other player in the Premier League. It is frequently successful and often spectacular but sometimes frustrates team-mates.
The Uruguayan's single-minded approach was understandable in the first half of last season. Fabio Borini's injury problems meant Suárez was starting alongside Suso and Raheem Sterling, two untested youngsters, so he had a huge amount of responsibility.
The January signings of Philippe Coutinho and Daniel Sturridge, however, provided Liverpool with two new attacking weapons that function perfectly together – the Brazilian's speciality is sliding pinpoint through balls between defenders, while Sturridge excels when playing high up against the opposition's backline, sprinting in behind.
The duo's first game together without Suárez – when he was starting his ban for biting Branislav Ivanovic – was the 6-0 victory at Newcastle. They combined perfectly for the second goal: with a casual pass using the outside of his right foot, Coutinho slipped the ball through the defence for Sturridge, who passed to Jordan Henderson to tap into an empty net. For the third goal, they combined almost identically, with Sturridge providing the finish himself, and in the midweek Capital One Cup win over Notts Country, Coutinho again assisted Sturridge.
The striker particularly likes working the inside-right channel, and given Nemanja Vidic's past struggles at Anfield, Rodgers will be hoping the combination of Coutinho's through balls and Sturridge's pace proves crucial yet again. This fixture could do without Suárez's antics for once – and so far this season, Liverpool aren't missing him either.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/aug/30/tactical-analysis-liverpool-luis-suarez
Post by: Bitter on September 01, 2013, 06:47:52 AM
Post by: Bitter on September 01, 2013, 06:51:03 AM
How this fella does stay on the field?
Post by: Bitter on September 01, 2013, 06:58:04 AM
I hope Jose watching, you don't have to play negative ball.
Post by: Bitter on September 01, 2013, 07:49:14 AM
Liverpool can barely hold the ball.
Post by: Bitter on September 01, 2013, 08:25:55 AM
A hell of a defensive effort by Liverpool there.
Post by: Bakes on September 01, 2013, 01:09:44 PM
Giggs again!
How this fella does stay on the field?
Decided to stick with the plan and go to church today and record the game instead... just got thru watching it.
I don't even understand why that wasn't even a card on Giggs. Van Persie and Cleverly too, lucky not to get second yellows.
As for the defensive effort in the second half... it crystallizes the turn around from last season. Thes were the games we were dropping points last season, either by giving away draws or conceding a late lead. Still too nerve-wracking. We not scoring enough, but if Suarez returns in the right frame of mind then more goals may follow. Overall I love what I'm seeing from Sturridge and Coutinho. Imagine Moses cutting in from the right wing feeding a floating Sturridge or Suarez. The renaissance isn't complete, but it underway.
Post by: Bakes on September 01, 2013, 08:04:51 PM
(Ben Smith: BBC Sport)
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Liverpool have agreed to sign central defenders Mamadou Sakho and Tiago Ilori for a combined fee of around £25m.
Sakho, 23, who can also play on the left and has 14 France caps, will cost £18m from Paris St-Germain with Ilori, 20, moving from Sporting Lisbon.
The duo, who have undergone medicals, are set to be at Anfield for Sunday's league match against Manchester United.
Liverpool are increasingly hopeful of adding Chelsea winger Victor Moses on a season-loan long as talks continue.
A deal to take keeper Shay Given on a one-year loan from Aston Villa as back-up to Simon Mignolet is, however, likely to go to the wire on deadline day.
Liverpool have prioritised defensive recruitments with Aly Cissokho joining Sebastian Coates on the sidelines.
Cissokho sustained an ankle injury in Tuesday's 4-2 extra-time Capital One Cup second-round victory over Notts County at Anfield, in which he was making his first start since joining on a season-long loan from Valencia.
"He could be four to six weeks, which is a blow because he came in and trained really well last week," said Rodgers.
"But he is on crutches at the moment and we'll look at that over the coming weeks. He certainly won't be available [against Manchester United]."
There was, however, better news on fellow defender Kolo Toure, 32, who was carried off on a stretcher with a groin problem against Notts County.
"Toure's injury is nowhere near as bad as we thought," added Rodgers. "We will assess that over the next 24 to 48 hours. We were all thinking he might be out for longer but he's made an excellent recovery.
"The diagnosis isn't anywhere near as bad as we thought, so we'll see how he is for this weekend. If it's not this weekend, then after the international break he won't be too far away."
Meanwhile, midfielder Joe Allen, 23, who also suffered a hamstring injury in midweek, will soon be back in action.
"It was only a grade one strain, so he may be doubtful for the weekend but certainly after the international break, he'll be fine," said Rodgers.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23905653
Victor Moses to sign from Chelsea on season-long loan
(Phil McNulty: BBC Sport Chief football writer)
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Liverpool will complete the formalities of a season-long loan deal for Chelsea's Victor Moses before the transfer window closes.
The 23-year-old has slipped even further down the pecking order at the Blues after the summer signings of Willian and Andre Schurrle.
Liverpool will pay the Stamford Bridge club a loan fee, understood to be around £1m, as part of the deal for the former Crystal Palace and Wigan attacker.
West Bromwich Albion, Southampton and Everton had also shown an interest in Moses.
Moses, who was at Anfield watching Liverpool play Manchester United on Sunday, signed for Chelsea from Wigan for a fee reported to be around £9m in August 2012.
He made 23 Premier League appearances last season, scoring one goal, but has yet to feature for new manager Jose Mourinho this season.
The Nigerian international joined Wigan from Crystal Palace on a three-and-a-half-year deal in January 2010 for a reported fee of £2.5m.
Earlier this week Liverpool agreed to sign central defenders Mamadou Sakho and Tiago Ilori for a combined fee of around £25m.
Sakho, 23, will cost £18m from Paris St-Germain with Ilori, 20, moving from Sporting Lisbon.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23920621
Post by: Bitter on September 16, 2013, 01:20:08 PM
Post by: Bakes on September 16, 2013, 01:21:53 PM
Shelvey giveth and Shelvey taketh away...
LOL... I now coming to post the exact same thing.
Post by: Tenorsaw on September 16, 2013, 01:56:35 PM
Post by: Bitter on September 16, 2013, 02:21:48 PM
Exactly why Rodgers sold him...was basically frustrated by Shelvey's inability to execute tactically and his inconsistency.
so of course, Shelvey sets up the equalizer...
Shelvey giveth and Shelvey taketh away...
Post by: FF on September 16, 2013, 02:22:48 PM
Post by: Bitter on September 16, 2013, 02:24:32 PM
Shelvey giving and taking whole day. This look like it mighta be a nice game to take in.
It's an entertaining game, both sides going for it.
If I was the coach, I taking Shelvey off now - before he set up a next Liverpool game.
Post by: Bakes on September 16, 2013, 02:55:09 PM
Post by: Tenorsaw on September 16, 2013, 02:55:25 PM
Post by: Tenorsaw on September 16, 2013, 02:56:39 PM
Extremely disappointed with Liverpool in the end... couldn't defend the lead, something we seem to struggle with in each of the four games now. Not only that, but seemed content in the dregs to settle for a point. Hate coward football.
Coutinho was the X factor; Ashley Willaims purposely took him out with that nasty tackle. Aspas striking me as a showboater right now. Somebody go break he foot.
Post by: Bakes on September 16, 2013, 03:00:04 PM
Extremely disappointed with Liverpool in the end... couldn't defend the lead, something we seem to struggle with in each of the four games now. Not only that, but seemed content in the dregs to settle for a point. Hate coward football.
Coutinho was the X factor; Ashley Willaims purposely took him out with that nasty tackle. Aspas striking me as a showboater right now. Somebody go break he foot.
I wouldn't be too hard on Williams, the injury was kinda accidental, it was more the fall than the foul. But agree with you, we miss Coutinho bad. Aspas did nothing to inspire confidence that he could replace him... in fact if he ent look sharp he'll be starved for run now that Suarez poised to return and with Moses rounding into form.
Post by: Tenorsaw on September 19, 2013, 12:43:56 PM
Post by: Bakes on September 19, 2013, 12:55:59 PM
Agger and Skrtel for Southampton? Or should we not risk Agger and bring back Toure. Hmmm, forget about Sakho, who seems to be a very good passer out of the back. We spoiled for choices at the center back position, all of a sudden.
And we file away Llori for the 'future'. Can't remember what injury Skrtel carrying, but I'd play Agger for at least a half, just so that he stays fit.
Post by: Tenorsaw on September 20, 2013, 07:28:07 AM
Agger and Skrtel for Southampton? Or should we not risk Agger and bring back Toure. Hmmm, forget about Sakho, who seems to be a very good passer out of the back. We spoiled for choices at the center back position, all of a sudden.
And we file away Llori for the 'future'. Can't remember what injury Skrtel carrying, but I'd play Agger for at least a half, just so that he stays fit.
Skrtel is fit. I think Skrtel Agger should be the pairing right now, and Sakho should slot in as right full back.
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on September 20, 2013, 08:40:49 AM
Post by: Tenorsaw on September 20, 2013, 03:45:25 PM
Allyuh get ah borse in Sakho boy! Cah lie early on allyuh lookin good.
We building slowly: one game at a time. We did much better without Suarez than I thought we would have, in all honesty; although you could argue that the team resumed from where they left off second half of last season. It's not a one-man team.
Post by: Bakes on September 21, 2013, 09:59:35 AM
Post by: Tenorsaw on September 21, 2013, 10:53:36 AM
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on September 23, 2013, 10:16:47 AM
Last team I see do that was Argetina in the World Cup vs Germany: they get a beating. CBs look vulnerable when they are isolated on the wing, and they don't have that attacking impetus. We lost link up play between defence and midfield too, because they are not as fluent on the ball as fullbacks. Bad gamble. Thank God Suarez is coming back, because Sturridge showing some greed too.
That has always been a problem for him in my eyes. When he got opportunities with us, in moments where a pass made sense he always opted to shoot.
Post by: Bakes on September 23, 2013, 12:55:17 PM
That has always been a problem for him in my eyes. When he got opportunities with us, in moments where a pass made sense he always opted to shoot.
Suarez did the same all last season... in his case he didn't trust his teammates enough to pass to them. Not sure if that's also the case with Sturridge. We'll see how the partnership works out now that Sturridge is entrenched in his central role and Suarez deployed on the wings.
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on September 23, 2013, 01:52:22 PM
Post by: Bakes on September 23, 2013, 02:49:02 PM
Post by: Tenorsaw on September 29, 2013, 11:07:19 AM
Post by: Bakes on September 29, 2013, 04:16:34 PM
This Sturridge-Suarez combo is proving to be real lethal. Arguably, the best striking combo in the league?
Finally had a chance to watch the game... they definitely have an incredible understanding, and they've yet to play a full season together. Factor in injuries to Sturridge in the second half of last season, and Suarez' suspension... and it's clear that they have a very long way to go still. Wait 'til Coutinho come back to start pulling the strings. As to your question... Rooney and Van Persie on paper but we all know how that going. Chelsea have no strikers, Arsenal have only Giroud, Spurs have Soldado, but that's about it. City have Aguero and Negredo but they not exactly clicking yet. Hard to really find another comparable pair to Suarez and Sturridge.
Post by: maxg on September 29, 2013, 04:47:25 PM
Post by: Tenorsaw on September 29, 2013, 05:54:20 PM
ahhm...Walters/Jones doh count for nothing ? :-[ ;D
ahhm...Walters/Jones doh count for nothing ? :-[ ;D
ahhm...Walters/Jones doh count for nothing ? :-[ ;D
Lol...yeah, they are a striking pair.
Post by: Bakes on October 01, 2013, 08:07:15 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/c-Lt3wxA7is
Post by: Bitter on October 19, 2013, 06:32:38 AM
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Post by: Tenorsaw on October 19, 2013, 03:04:34 PM
Post by: Bakes on October 27, 2013, 12:04:24 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/cVG6hOYzx6w
Post by: Bakes on November 02, 2013, 11:41:51 AM
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Post by: Bitter on November 23, 2013, 08:33:23 AM
I thought Everton had the better play before both Liverpool goals, and certainly were better in the 2nd half.
I also think the commentators didn't give Suarez enough credit on his free kick...
As I type. Stuuuriddggeeee...
Doesn't have the same ring to it.
This is a hell of a game.
Post by: Bakes on November 23, 2013, 10:39:00 AM
This is a hell of a game.
For the neutral. I thought Liverpool deserved to lose for the way we approached the game, for the chances we allowed and for our inability to retain possession and capitalize on our opportunities. Allen's miss was a shocker... he should be on the bench at the training pitch. Not sure why he started ahead of Moses. Absolute waste of time today. Gerrard salvaged a decent game with his assist on Sturridge's goal, and he may have had another on Coutinho's as well... not sure if he took the corner. Other than that he could have stayed on the bus... complicit on Mirallas' goal and gave the ball away time and time again. Pienaar was just picking his pocket in midfield. Mignolet and Lucas were brilliant for Liverpool, as was Suarez. Everton should be thanking their lucky stars they finished the first half with eleven men... let alone finish the game. Nasty tackle by Mirallas on Suarez... straight red on any other pitch, any other day.
Post by: Spursy on November 23, 2013, 04:15:36 PM
Post by: Bakes on November 25, 2013, 01:09:13 PM
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Post by: Bitter on December 04, 2013, 03:22:49 PM
35 minute hat-trick.
Who needs "SaS" all you need is "S" (or is that "aS")
Post by: FF on December 04, 2013, 03:34:41 PM
Post by: Peong on December 04, 2013, 04:07:30 PM
Wait ah mean 42! :wavetowel:
And he have some bonus pts to pick up as well
Post by: Bakes on December 05, 2013, 12:19:37 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/t6de-vhac0E#t=33
Post by: MEP on December 05, 2013, 12:37:18 AM
Post by: Tallman on December 05, 2013, 03:48:14 PM
That third goal was one of the best ever...given the quality of goals he has scored he can now be mentioned in the same breath as CR Ronaldo Ronaldo and Ronaldinho
Nah.
Post by: Bakes on December 05, 2013, 04:21:39 PM
Post by: rotatopoti3 on December 07, 2013, 11:06:58 AM
Post by: Bitter on December 15, 2013, 11:49:22 AM
Paulinho decide he eh want to run in the rain anymore and check out. I don't even know that Mignolet had to make a save.
Yep - 9 shots, none on target.
Post by: Cocorite on December 15, 2013, 12:17:52 PM
Post by: Sam on December 15, 2013, 12:21:12 PM
Post by: Cocorite on December 15, 2013, 12:27:35 PM
Suarez had two goals and two assist and they give Henderson man of de match vs Spurs.
Yeah. . .I didn't get that one. . .they pushing they boy.
Post by: Tenorsaw on December 15, 2013, 12:52:38 PM
Post by: Bakes on December 15, 2013, 04:06:44 PM
Suarez had two goals and two assist and they give Henderson man of de match vs Spurs.
Henderson deserved it... his movement all game was incredible. Add to which he controlled midfield along with Coutinho, Lucas and Allen... scored a goal, got the assist on Suarez' first goal (I'll have to check officially, but is he was involved in the give and go to set it up) and created the ball for the third goal. He tried to backheel the ball at first and it was blocked... tracked it down and nutmeg the defender with the backheel the second time around, for Suarez to pick it up. I think Ferguson light a fire under him with the criticism... that and it's a World Cup year.
EDIT: Moment of the match for me is about a minute before Suarez scored his second in the 84'... Coutinhno trip over some grass and fall in the box... commentator say "Simulation... I've seen referees give penalties for that" :rotfl:
Post by: mukumsplau on December 15, 2013, 06:08:47 PM
suarez is a grade A menace...hope that lil girl who was trying to punk him during the handshakes is in tears now...
hopin the UCL anthem playin there next year :beermug:
Post by: Bakes on December 15, 2013, 11:30:34 PM
Livers...must say im real impressed and real glad for them...i like how they first of all they stuck with brendan and held to suarez and they look on their way to digging themselves out of their rot in some style too...
suarez is a grade A menace...hope that lil girl who was trying to punk him during the handshakes is in tears now...
hopin the UCL anthem playin there next year :beermug:
:beermug:
Missed the handshake snub, but yeah hope that even if title aspirations fall short (and we long overdue on that), that we at least remain in Top Four form. We already lost out on Mkhitaryan and Willian b/c we weren't in the CL, but need to change that in the off-season when we retool. Only one game, but truly a masterclass performance on the day... especially given the venue, White Hart Lane, where we hadn't won in 6 previous trips, getting embarrassed off the pitch two seasons ago.
Peep Henderson backheel nutmeg on Walker at 2:12... looks like he tried it a couple seconds earlier and Walker blocked it. He get ketch nice the second time though. Happy that Henderson was rewarded for his good play by getting a goal. Happier yet for Flanagan... grew up in Liverpool a fan of the team. In a day and age when clubs could buy players from all over the world he get a chance to start for his boyhood team. Got his first ever goal for the squad today... and what a finish, that was no defender's goal.
http://www.youtube.com/v/TRe2H52d_ho
Post by: Tenorsaw on December 16, 2013, 05:37:02 PM
Livers...must say im real impressed and real glad for them...i like how they first of all they stuck with brendan and held to suarez and they look on their way to digging themselves out of their rot in some style too...
suarez is a grade A menace...hope that lil girl who was trying to punk him during the handshakes is in tears now...
hopin the UCL anthem playin there next year :beermug:
:beermug:
Missed the handshake snub, but yeah hope that even if title aspirations fall short (and we long overdue on that), that we at least remain in Top Four form. We already lost out on Mkhitaryan and Willian b/c we weren't in the CL, but need to change that in the off-season when we retool. Only one game, but truly a masterclass performance on the day... especially given the venue, White Hart Lane, where we hadn't won in 6 previous trips, getting embarrassed off the pitch two seasons ago.
Peep Henderson backheel nutmeg on Walker at 2:12... looks like he tried it a couple seconds earlier and Walker blocked it. He get ketch nice the second time though. Happy that Henderson was rewarded for his good play by getting a goal. Happier yet for Flanagan... grew up in Liverpool a fan of the team. In a day and age when clubs could buy players from all over the world he get a chance to start for his boyhood team. Got his first ever goal for the squad today... and what a finish, that was no defender's goal.
http://www.youtube.com/v/TRe2H52d_ho
That fella really boss de midfield yesterday. He was like a raging bull, but with controlled efficiency. He looks a better player playing higher up the pitch. Allen was good too. I thought his passing range was excellent, and he combines well with Lucas. Good to see Sterling's confidence is back up. De man was calling for de ball everytime in the first half, cause he smelled blood on a wounded animal that was called Naughton. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Post by: Bakes on December 16, 2013, 05:56:20 PM
Post by: Tenorsaw on December 16, 2013, 06:30:38 PM
Sterling abuse Naughton all kinda way... but poor fella, that was on the coach though. He's not a natural left back but AVB insist on playing him there (out of necessity perhaps?) Was reading a breakdown in the Guardian I think it was, which stated that AVB even try to shift Dembele over to provide cover before throwing in the towel and taking off Naughton... who provided naught on the day. Henderson really growing into the role... he suffer so much abuse, some from me self, that yuh can't help but see him vindicated of sorts... especially with that jackass Ferguson piling on in his book. Not sure what it profits a grown ass man like Ferguson to slag a youth like Henderson who still trying to make a name for himself.
He even making me eat my own words. I said he was an overvalued good-for-nothing, but I think he is now even better than the player he was at Sunderland: great engine, nice passing range, solid defensively, and really starting to turn it on in the attacking third. Competition heating up, cause Allen starting to look like the player he was at Swansea and early 'Pool days, and Sterling put a smile on Hodgson face yesterday. Look Victor Moses cyar see the field right now.
Post by: Bakes on December 16, 2013, 07:46:42 PM
He even making me eat my own words. I said he was an overvalued good-for-nothing, but I think he is now even better than the player he was at Sunderland: great engine, nice passing range, solid defensively, and really starting to turn it on in the attacking third. Competition heating up, cause Allen starting to look like the player he was at Swansea and early 'Pool days, and Sterling put a smile on Hodgson face yesterday. Look Victor Moses cyar see the field right now.
Yuh know who was well crowing yesterday... Kenny! They take down the clip ah posted above but Kenny was grinning hard after Flanno rattle in that goal. I know he was happy for de yute especially he's the one give him he first sweat three years ago. He had to be happy to see Henderson finally develop too... and yeah, he miles ahead of where he was at Sunderland. He made all the progressive steps that Shelvey, a naturally more talented player in attack, fail to make. Henderson had the sweet give and go with Suarez to set up the first goal, the backheel nutmeg to set up the cross for Flanagan... and his own effort and subsequent goal to show for his efforts yesterday. Hope the string of positive performances continue. As for Allen... he not as abject as he was late last season into the start of this campaign, but ah still not ready to endorse him yet.
Post by: elan on December 17, 2013, 12:55:31 PM
Suarez had two goals and two assist and they give Henderson man of de match vs Spurs.
Saurez back in good graces, but Ballo chased from England. :-\
Post by: Bakes on December 17, 2013, 01:07:58 PM
Saurez back in good graces, but Ballo chased from England. :-\
Apples and oranges... Suarez never do anything as outrageous as Balotelli.
Post by: elan on December 17, 2013, 11:16:21 PM
Saurez back in good graces, but Ballo chased from England. :-\
Apples and oranges... Suarez never do anything as outrageous as Balotelli.
Que......you joking right. You have to be. Name one thing that Balotelli did that adds up to this vvvvv
(http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/GwE6PNZcFGo/hqdefault.jpg)
Post by: Bakes on December 18, 2013, 12:37:42 AM
Post by: maxg on December 18, 2013, 10:14:04 AM
That was a minor misunderstanding.:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Post by: Bakes on December 20, 2013, 02:57:00 PM
• Uruguay striker to be paid £200,000 a week
• 'I can achieve the ambitions of winning trophies here'
Andy Hunter
Friday 20 December 2013 08.42 EST
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/pictures/2013/12/20/1387552318295/Luis-Suarez-signs-008.jpg)
Luis Suárez puts pen to paper on his new four-and-a-half-year contract at Melwood training ground.
Photograph: Andrew Powell/Liverpool FC via Getty Images
Luis Suárez said his intention is to stay with Liverpool "for a long time" after extending his contract until 2018 and becoming the highest-paid player in the club's history.
The Uruguay international signed a four-and-a-half year deal on Friday after swift negotiations between Liverpool's managing director, Ian Ayre, and Suárez's agent, Pere Guardiola, in Barcelona this week. Suárez's salary will rise from £120,000 to £200,000 a week, reflecting his status as the leading goalscorer in the Premier League, and there are bonuses for goals scored and Champions League qualification.
Liverpool have refused to confirm if there is a get-out clause in the new contract, although Anfield officials had been keen to remove a £40m valuation on a striker they rate in the Gareth Bale £86m price-bracket. They also wanted to ensure he cannot sign for another English club without their consent.
On Guardiola's part, there had been a desire to obtain a watertight agreement that Suárez could leave should Liverpool again fail to qualify for the Champions League. Both parties accepted the need to avoid a repeat of last summer's transfer saga, when confusion reigned in the player's camp over whether he could leave after Arsenal bid £40,000,001 and he publicly accused the manager, Brendan Rodgers, of breaking promises over his future.
Liverpool moved swiftly to secure Suárez's services with the striker in stunning form, his club able to go top of the Premier League with victory over Cardiff City on Saturday, and with Rodgers insisting the player was in the "happiest point" of his professional career. The striker, who had two-and-a-half years remaining on his previous contract, claimed he will honour his long-term commitment to Liverpool.
"It's nice because when you extend your contract, you extend it because you want to stay here for the future," said the 26-year-old. "I signed not only for two-and-a-half more years, but I signed for a long time to stay here and I am so happy. When you are happy, you try everything for the best for the future. I spoke a lot with my family because my family are very important to me and they are happy here. We spoke over the last few weeks with the club and everything is OK. I don't have a problem; the club don't have a problem, so it's very good."
Suárez has scored a remarkable 17 goals in 11 games since returning from suspension on 25 September. He added: "I believe I can achieve the ambitions of winning trophies and playing at the very highest level with Liverpool. My aim is to help get us there as quickly as possible."
Liverpool's owner, Fenway Sports Group, has previously been reluctant to extend contracts mid-term but moved impressively to secure the club's prized asset. Principal owner John W Henry said:"We are committed to working hard to keep our best players and this is an indication that we are moving in the right direction and moving at a pace that impresses one of the best players in world football. "
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/dec/20/luis-suarez-signs-long-term-liverpool-deal
Post by: Bitter on December 21, 2013, 07:31:20 AM
Post by: Bitter on December 21, 2013, 07:32:39 AM
Post by: MEP on December 21, 2013, 11:22:35 AM
That third goal was one of the best ever...given the quality of goals he has scored he can now be mentioned in the same breath as CR Ronaldo Ronaldo and Ronaldinho
Nah.
Yeah
Post by: MEP on December 21, 2013, 11:25:33 AM
Makay might be defiant. But Oddjob still going to fire him after this game.
Tan is jes anodda imps wid money
Post by: Tenorsaw on December 23, 2013, 09:51:18 AM
Makay might be defiant. But Oddjob still going to fire him after this game.
Tan is jes anodda imps wid money
True. Clueless about de game. Come in make the people change they team colors, in order to attract more Asian fans. That is bullocks. Yuh do do them kinda thing. That is total disrespect to the heritage of the club.
Post by: Bakes on December 23, 2013, 11:26:00 AM
Suarez's second goal... :notworthy:
Still ent get chance to see the game yet... have it on the DVR fuh later. Was in your neck ah de woods over de weekend.
True. Clueless about de game. Come in make the people change they team colors, in order to attract more Asian fans. That is bullocks. Yuh do do them kinda thing. That is total disrespect to the heritage of the club.
Ridiculous what that fool doing to Cardiff... yuh spot on with the disrespect he's showing to the club's heritage and tradition. He's shown utter contempt for the club, for its fans and obviously for Mackay himself. I disagreed with Rodgers making such a public pronouncement (http://www.theguardian.com/football/video/2013/dec/20/brendan-rodgers-cardiff-city-liverpool-video) about the goings on at another club, and a team owner at that... but in hindsight I'd have to say he was spot on.
Post by: Tenorsaw on December 23, 2013, 05:15:06 PM
Suarez's second goal... :notworthy:
Still ent get chance to see the game yet... have it on the DVR fuh later. Was in your neck ah de woods over de weekend.True. Clueless about de game. Come in make the people change they team colors, in order to attract more Asian fans. That is bullocks. Yuh do do them kinda thing. That is total disrespect to the heritage of the club.
Ridiculous what that fool doing to Cardiff... yuh spot on with the disrespect he's showing to the club's heritage and tradition. He's shown utter contempt for the club, for its fans and obviously for Mackay himself. I disagreed with Rodgers making such a public pronouncement (http://www.theguardian.com/football/video/2013/dec/20/brendan-rodgers-cardiff-city-liverpool-video) about the goings on at another club, and a team owner at that... but in hindsight I'd have to say he was spot on.
I think it's because Rodgers is a good friend of Mackay; plus, there is the Welsh connection...only two big clubs in Wales right now, and he was at the helm of the other one. He did it in a tactful way though, as he highlighted the contrast of ownership style at Liverpool. I'd have to say that Henry does give the experts space, while still making executive decisions (like keeping Suarez).
Post by: Bakes on December 23, 2013, 05:48:09 PM
He did it in a tactful way though, as he highlighted the contrast of ownership style at Liverpool.
Agreed... it wasn't nearly as sensationalist as the headlines suggest, while still landing home at the same time.
Post by: Bitter on December 26, 2013, 11:55:44 AM
Post by: Bitter on December 26, 2013, 12:01:36 PM
Post by: Bakes on December 26, 2013, 12:19:38 PM
All the questionable officiating calls so far have gone Man City's way.
Every single call. But Liverpool have themselves to blame for having not taken advantage of their opportunities... and for giving City too many. Skrtel courting danger on every delivery into the box the way he holding and grabbing Kompany.
Should be 2-2 now.
Post by: Bitter on December 26, 2013, 12:29:40 PM
Post by: Bakes on December 26, 2013, 01:24:27 PM
Post by: Tenorsaw on December 26, 2013, 01:29:56 PM
Post by: Bakes on December 26, 2013, 01:35:07 PM
Post by: FF on December 26, 2013, 02:23:05 PM
I still prefer to lose this way than to play coward like Chelsea in hopes of stealing a point.
hahahaha
sneak in one yes
Post by: Tenorsaw on December 26, 2013, 03:16:06 PM
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on December 26, 2013, 03:21:02 PM
Post by: Cocorite on December 26, 2013, 03:42:20 PM
Hard luck Pool. Deserved a point today.
Agreed. I'm a City fan but have to agree
Post by: Bakes on December 26, 2013, 03:52:21 PM
I still prefer to lose this way than to play coward like Chelsea in hopes of stealing a point.
hahahaha
sneak in one yes
Lol... yeah that was a jab at mih boy Elan. But I serious too... I rather we play positive, entertaining football. We even forced City to switch tactics and protect de lead second half... and still shoulda score. I'll take that. City is the most dangerous team in the Prem outside of Liverpool right now and we went toe to toe with them at the Etihad. Can't be too disappointed at that.
Post by: Deeks on December 26, 2013, 04:10:58 PM
Post by: elan on December 26, 2013, 05:19:25 PM
I still prefer to lose this way than to play coward like Chelsea in hopes of stealing a point.
hahahaha
sneak in one yes
Lol... yeah that was a jab at mih boy Elan. But I serious too... I rather we play positive, entertaining football. We even forced City to switch tactics and protect de lead second half... and still shoulda score. I'll take that. City is the most dangerous team in the Prem outside of Liverpool right now and we went toe to toe with them at the Etihad. Can't be too disappointed at that.
We will see come spring where the chips fall.
Post by: Bakes on December 29, 2013, 10:23:22 AM
Post by: Bakes on December 29, 2013, 10:35:52 AM
Post by: elan on December 29, 2013, 11:58:11 AM
Post by: Bakes on December 29, 2013, 11:58:46 AM
Post by: Bakes on December 29, 2013, 12:00:51 PM
Good enough for ya Bakes. Did Chelsea play live up to your high standard. Oh wait.......poor by Liverpool ::)
Chelsea played shit and stole points last couple games... that is the consensus not my "high standard". To their credit they came out and bossed the game in the first half before parking the bus in the second half.
Post by: elan on December 29, 2013, 12:22:12 PM
Good enough for ya Bakes. Did Chelsea play live up to your high standard. Oh wait.......poor by Liverpool ::)
Chelsea played shit and stole points last couple games... that is the consensus not my "high standard". To their credit they came out and bossed the game in the first half before parking the bus in the second half.
Bakes you on some serious :bs:
Park what bus. You really don't understand this game fella. Meanwhile we have won 2 in a row and collected 4 points from 2 top teams whereas you have dropped 6 points from two top teams. Don't get into business.
Post by: Bakes on December 29, 2013, 12:28:55 PM
Bakes you on some serious :bs:
Park what bus. You really don't understand this game fella. Meanwhile we have won 2 in a row and collected 4 points from 2 top teams whereas you have dropped 6 points from two top teams. Don't get into business.
Explain it to me then expert. Chelsea took off Lampard and brought on Mikel at the half and fell back to midfield from the 50' minute. Explain the attacking mentality behind for me... yuh know I's ah novice at these things. The results are a separate discussion from the strategy, Chelsea winning by playing safe nothing wrong with that but doh act like you's de only man in the world who recognizing attacking genius when it not there.
Post by: lefty on December 29, 2013, 05:31:45 PM
Post by: elan on December 29, 2013, 06:37:59 PM
Bakes you on some serious :bs:
Park what bus. You really don't understand this game fella. Meanwhile we have won 2 in a row and collected 4 points from 2 top teams whereas you have dropped 6 points from two top teams. Don't get into business.
Explain it to me then expert. Chelsea took off Lampard and brought on Mikel at the half and fell back to midfield from the 50' minute. Explain the attacking mentality behind for me... yuh know I's ah novice at these things. The results are a separate discussion from the strategy, Chelsea winning by playing safe nothing wrong with that but doh act like you's de only man in the world who recognizing attacking genius when it not there.
Quality play today Bakes, say what you want. Tempo of the game, rhythm of the game, possession of the game controlled by Chelsea. Even the useless commentators in the studio had to admit it. Suarez who you admit is in fine form could not find any space in the first half. That was when Lampard (who was subbed with a leg injury) was on the pitch. Barcelona no, but parking the bus far from it. We pressed Liverpool up the pitch and forced many mistakes which gave our defense much more time to organize.
It was a very good game by Chelsea Bakes.
Post by: elan on January 18, 2014, 01:58:31 PM
Post by: Bitter on February 08, 2014, 06:59:01 AM
Arsenal eh wake up yet.
Post by: Blue on February 08, 2014, 07:01:52 AM
2 Set pieces, 2 Goals by Skrtel.
Arsenal eh wake up yet.
Arsenal could wake up all they want, Liverpool are the better side
Post by: FF on February 08, 2014, 07:02:33 AM
Look at that Suarez bullet!!
Post by: Bitter on February 08, 2014, 07:04:35 AM
Post by: FF on February 08, 2014, 07:05:11 AM
Post by: asylumseeker on February 08, 2014, 07:05:54 AM
Post by: Bitter on February 08, 2014, 07:07:07 AM
Post by: asylumseeker on February 08, 2014, 07:07:32 AM
Post by: FF on February 08, 2014, 07:07:40 AM
Post by: Bakes on February 08, 2014, 07:07:45 AM
Post by: Bakes on February 08, 2014, 07:08:14 AM
Post by: Blue on February 08, 2014, 07:08:20 AM
Suarez ah sorry! That would have been a golaso bombaso.:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
4-0, and yuh know Suarez not letting this game finish without him scoring
Post by: FF on February 08, 2014, 07:08:49 AM
Should be at least 5-0 by now.
That coming presently. But I count 7
Post by: asylumseeker on February 08, 2014, 07:12:51 AM
Post by: Bakes on February 08, 2014, 07:57:01 AM
Post by: kaliman2006 on February 08, 2014, 07:58:10 AM
Post by: asylumseeker on February 08, 2014, 08:02:23 AM
Post by: Bitter on February 08, 2014, 08:13:55 AM
No
5-1
The comeback is on!
Post by: soccerman on February 08, 2014, 11:09:10 AM
Arteta for the miss?LOL
No
5-1
The comeback is on!
Post by: asylumseeker on February 08, 2014, 06:16:08 PM
Post by: boss on February 08, 2014, 08:22:17 PM
That Suarez volley of a rocket is one of the best shots ever not to score. Still thinking bout it.
I can't stop watching it :)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-FmDebvMQHxA/UvYqqzkysaI/AAAAAAAABh4/orcWRTl1hi0/s0/08-02-2014-GifNumber-127.gif)
Post by: doc on February 08, 2014, 08:33:41 PM
Post by: Peong on February 08, 2014, 09:43:19 PM
Post by: Bakes on February 08, 2014, 09:48:52 PM
I can't stop watching it :)
Stunning that he was able to generate as much power as he did... Szczesney could scarcely react in time, and even then he was beaten.
Post by: boss on February 09, 2014, 09:53:29 PM
http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=63x8h4&s=8#.UvhMk7SGeAY
Post by: Tenorsaw on February 10, 2014, 11:51:04 AM
Post by: asylumseeker on February 10, 2014, 12:16:18 PM
Just watching the volley again. How the hell did Suarez generate that sort of power with that little backlift?
Masterful, majestic strike. So deserving of a goal. Tremendous eye-foot-ball coordination.
Post by: lefty on February 10, 2014, 04:52:16 PM
Post by: Deeks on February 10, 2014, 05:10:06 PM
Post by: asylumseeker on February 10, 2014, 06:04:01 PM
dat woulda be goal of d season for sure :o
... much more of a training ground routine than I realized. Cunning. To pull that off, yuh need a player with the technical ability to strike from that far under those circumstances. Suarez is all the above.
Post by: kaliman2006 on February 12, 2014, 03:55:58 PM
Captain Stevie G came through!
Post by: Bakes on February 12, 2014, 04:03:22 PM
Post by: Tenorsaw on February 12, 2014, 04:11:39 PM
Post by: boss on February 12, 2014, 06:57:01 PM
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3794/12489108394_0df228b753_o.gif)
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3751/12488730285_676aaa4070_o.gif)
And watch Suarez's reaction here at 2-2. I love it:
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3702/12489094175_535cb968df_o.gif)
Post by: elan on February 12, 2014, 09:56:28 PM
Post by: Tenorsaw on February 13, 2014, 11:42:22 AM
Post by: Bakes on February 13, 2014, 02:07:48 PM
Just to add: That pass by Gerrard to Sturridge was world class. Yes, he's playing in a deeper role, but he will just get the opportunity to showcase his repertoire of passes.
The technique necessary to pull that off is stunning... simple as it looks. He hit that with the outside of his right foot, with english on it to both deaden the ball and put it into Sturridge's path. Say nothing of putting the right weight on it, and direction sufficient to split the defense.
Post by: asylumseeker on February 15, 2014, 04:13:52 PM
Just watching the volley again. How the hell did Suarez generate that sort of power with that little backlift?
Yuh see Balo's goal versus Bologna? World-class. Reminds me of a comment made by Avram Grant about Nico Anelka.
Post by: Bitter on February 23, 2014, 08:00:27 AM
Post by: Bitter on February 23, 2014, 08:36:51 AM
Skrtel finally get ketch pulling somebody down in the box.
Post by: elan on February 23, 2014, 08:46:42 AM
'Problems' have made Suarez better (http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1724311/oscar-tabarez-problems-made-suarez-better?cc=5901)
Uruguay boss Oscar Tabarez insists that Luis Suarez’s controversial Premier League career has made him one of the world’s best players.
Liverpool striker Suarez has been involved in numerous incidents during his time in the English top-flight. In 2011, he was handed an eight-game ban after being found guilty of racially abusing Patrice Evra.
In April 2013, Suarez was given another suspension -- this time for ten matches -- after he bit Chelsea defender Branislav Ivanovic during a 2-2 draw at Anfield before the 27-year-old attempted to engineer a move away from Liverpool last summer.
However, Tabarez believes that the incidents have only made Suarez a better player -- and he indicated the striker will show it in England’s 2014 World Cup group game against Uruguay on June 19.
“Suarez has always been a major part of Uruguay since he started in the under-20s,” Tabarez said in the Mirror.
“He made the breakthrough in 2007 into the senior squad. He’s developed and evolved a lot obviously in the time since -- especially in his attitude and his competitive spirit as well as his skills.
“I put that down to what’s happened to him in England. Maybe it’s partly, or mainly down to all the problems he has had. He’s come through difficult times. He’s kept going when it was difficult. He has a strong head.
“He will be ready for England and so will Uruguay. We’re looking forward to it, and to our other group games against Italy and Costa Rica.
“For us Suarez is a really important player, of course. I don’t want to tell you any more than that because we don’t put any extra responsibility on him for the team’s success. It is a collective thing.
“The contribution he gives us is very important but we don’t need to ask for anything extra from him or from any of the other important players.
“We’re more focused on making sure we have the right feeling in the team. The World Cup is a team competition and great individual players like Suarez always need a team that can help them.”
On Friday, Suarez stated he was determined to help Liverpool earn a Champions League place for next season.
Post by: elan on February 23, 2014, 09:23:44 AM
Post by: Bakes on February 23, 2014, 10:22:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/9Avin3dew8I
Post by: Tallman on February 23, 2014, 10:27:05 PM
The penalty I didn't see (functioning on 4 hours sleep after feting all night), but from the one replay and reports, it was soft... especially with a tank like Bony. But considering what Skrtel has gotten away with this season, I guess that was always coming.
At first I thought it was ah soft penalty, but with de benefit of de replay ah would say de ref was correct. Skrtel didn't even have tuh raff Bony like dat.
Post by: Bakes on February 23, 2014, 11:13:23 PM
At first I thought it was ah soft penalty, but with de benefit of de replay ah would say de ref was correct. Skrtel didn't even have tuh raff Bony like dat.
Yeah I should change what I said (having not seen it) to say that reports are that it was soft... this replay is one of the only looks I get of it and it not clear enough for me to say what went on. Skrtel has been playing with fire too often to not get burn... fair or not. Good game for the neutral fan though... I literally try to ketch some sleep at halftime, wake up three minutes in and Swansea did done score. LFC need to tighten up their defense... but the attack, man! Hodgson must be rubbing his hands with glee at Sterling's emergence... that pass was incredible, perfect curve, perfect weight, perfect technique.
Post by: Tenorsaw on February 24, 2014, 06:25:02 PM
At first I thought it was ah soft penalty, but with de benefit of de replay ah would say de ref was correct. Skrtel didn't even have tuh raff Bony like dat.
Yeah I should change what I said (having not seen it) to say that reports are that it was soft... this replay is one of the only looks I get of it and it not clear enough for me to say what went on. Skrtel has been playing with fire too often to not get burn... fair or not. Good game for the neutral fan though... I literally try to ketch some sleep at halftime, wake up three minutes in and Swansea did done score. LFC need to tighten up their defense... but the attack, man! Hodgson must be rubbing his hands with glee at Sterling's emergence... that pass was incredible, perfect curve, perfect weight, perfect technique.
Rodgers sound like he losing patience with that backline. I could see him buying two CBs again this summer: let Toure ride off into the sunset, Let Skrtel go Napoli or whereever; give Llori a run in preseason and see how he does. Gotta keep Sakho because he needs to be given more time, and he has done farily well, since joining. But yesterday was the first time I really hear Rodgers really let his defenders know how he was feeling - at least publicly.
Post by: elan on February 24, 2014, 09:29:49 PM
Post by: Tenorsaw on February 25, 2014, 01:35:43 PM
Sturridge rel doing it. Should be getting a bit more shine.
People noticing....it is splashed all over the news. In some ripping form right now. Talent was always there, but he was never really nurtured in the right way. Plus, he was at two clubs that are flush with cash to buy the best.
Post by: kaliman2006 on March 01, 2014, 01:30:04 PM
That Sterling substitution definitely made the difference as Liverpool began dominating more in the midfield play.
Now into second.
There's a lot of football left to be played, but it is heartening to see Liverpool win games such as this, where the club was outplayed for such a significant portion of the match.
In past seasons, these games would have been draws or losses.
Post by: Tenorsaw on March 01, 2014, 02:59:55 PM
Another huge win for the reds today in a game where Southampton had Liverpool's back four on their heels for the majority of the first half and the first ten minutes of the second.
That Sterling substitution definitely made the difference as Liverpool began dominating more in the midfield play.
Now into second.
There's a lot of football left to be played, but it is heartening to see Liverpool win games such as this, where the club was outplayed for such a significant portion of the match.
In past seasons, these games would have been draws or losses.
couldn't have said it better. We just have to take it one game at a time. Not our most fluent display, but this team has typically neutralized our style.
Post by: Bakes on March 01, 2014, 04:47:07 PM
Post by: Tenorsaw on March 01, 2014, 05:32:33 PM
Post by: Bakes on March 01, 2014, 05:54:07 PM
Been tooting Lallana's horn all season: Soton's best player and he deserves to go to Brazil ahead of men like Lampard. Hope 'Pool put in a bid for him this summer. Real upside potential for this fella.
Him and Luke Shaw are their two best young players... and that's saying a lot with the likes of Clyne, Schneiderlin and Ramirez on the roster. Can't believe Shaw is only 18. Agree with you that Lallana has earned a spot on the WC roster... as has Hodgson, apparently.
Post by: Tenorsaw on March 01, 2014, 05:59:27 PM
Post by: FF on March 01, 2014, 07:07:40 PM
Doh forget England internationals Lambert and Jay Rodriguez....Soton been churning out these types of players for years, but had to sell when big teams came in, due to no Prem league football to offer: Walcott, Ox Chamberlain, Gareth Bale, Wayne Bridge...
Kenwyne Jones ;D
Post by: asylumseeker on March 01, 2014, 07:12:48 PM
Been tooting Lallana's horn all season: Soton's best player and he deserves to go to Brazil ahead of men like Lampard. Hope 'Pool put in a bid for him this summer. Real upside potential for this fella.
Frankly, I thought he should have put away one of those chances (the dummy that he seemed to hit tamely). Aside from today's performance, in light of KC's passing, poignant that you mentioned him because he had arrythmia.
Post by: asylumseeker on March 01, 2014, 07:16:25 PM
Post by: Tenorsaw on March 01, 2014, 09:41:20 PM
Yow, Soton balled today ... until Sterling scored. (Was that his first touch of the match?)
If not his first, then his second. Another fella that is growing in stature. Imagine, Rodgers took off Coutinho, and put Sterling in the hole. He's no longer a speedy, one-dimensional winger anymore; his passing and tactical acumen are developing well.
Post by: Bitter on March 16, 2014, 07:55:51 AM
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Post by: Bitter on March 16, 2014, 08:36:11 AM
Game done.
Post by: D.H.W on March 16, 2014, 08:36:45 AM
Post by: Bitter on March 16, 2014, 08:37:25 AM
This mudder c**t Moyes
Moyes making them foul and handle the ball in the box?
Post by: kaliman2006 on March 16, 2014, 08:41:16 AM
He really should be England's designated penalty taker for the world cup in Brazil.
Post by: futbolfan on March 16, 2014, 08:50:27 AM
I normaly like Tim Howard as a commentator, but he talking too much today.
My volume was turned down in the first ten minutes. Sounding like he had too much Starbucks this morning.
Post by: D.H.W on March 16, 2014, 08:51:22 AM
This mudder c**t Moyes
Moyes making them foul and handle the ball in the box?
Is always Moyes fault!
Post by: futbolfan on March 16, 2014, 09:00:19 AM
Can't blame Moyes for the poor play, but I believe if ManU lose this match, he will be replaced.This mudder c**t Moyes
Moyes making them foul and handle the ball in the box?
Post by: Bitter on March 16, 2014, 09:07:36 AM
This mudder c**t Moyes
Moyes making them foul and handle the ball in the box?
Is always Moyes fault!
Lol!
Sturridge Dive, Vidic Red, 3rd penalty,
Post by: Bitter on March 16, 2014, 09:14:21 AM
Post by: Peong on March 16, 2014, 09:19:04 AM
Post by: Bitter on March 16, 2014, 09:19:55 AM
I remember the days of hoping for Man U to lose so I could get a lil laugh. This season was like Christmas but now it actually getting boring.
Ent!
I starting to feel a lil sorry for them
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Post by: D.H.W on March 16, 2014, 09:34:53 AM
Post by: Toppa on March 16, 2014, 09:40:09 AM
Post by: asylumseeker on March 16, 2014, 09:49:37 AM
I normaly like Tim Howard as a commentator, but he talking too much today.
He's painful. Generally I use a different source but I had to endure him today. Later on when one of his comments (regarding a Pool corner) confirmed an observation I made on here a few weeks ago, ah eased him up. :)
Frankly, my issue is with the lack of insightful analysis or technical nous that is contrastingly found amongst commentators from countries with a deeper football culture. For a large portion he was lending nothing substantial to the game.
Post by: Tenorsaw on March 16, 2014, 11:00:47 AM
Post by: Bakes on March 16, 2014, 01:05:01 PM
I normaly like Tim Howard as a commentator, but he talking too much today.
...and talking too much shit.
Post by: Tenorsaw on March 17, 2014, 10:28:24 AM
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As Brendan Rodgers continues to improve this Liverpool team, is the title really beyond them?
“We’re going away disappointed that we didn’t score more goals.” Steven Gerrard’s assessment of Liverpool’s 3-0 win over Manchester United at Old Trafford on Sunday was arguably more damning than the scoreline itself. The question now is a simple one - Can they win the title?
“No chance,” said Brendan Rodgers in his post-match press conference. But the beaming smile said something rather different. And why not? With five consecutive victories, Liverpool are the Premier League’s form team. This is no false position and it is only the perception forged from the recent past that prevents more people from heralding their chances of winning this league. All the evidence from the current campaign suggests Liverpool have the quality to do it.
Perhaps the most important aspect of their success has been the tactical tweaks that have given the team a new dimension. This Liverpool appear to have many ways of winning games and it’s a trait recognised by their skipper. “I think you've got to give credit to the manager,” he said after the United win. “He keeps switching it, tinkering with the formation and the tactics. We played a diamond today and totally bossed it in the middle of the park.”
The diamond formation, with Raheem Sterling in the hole, was not a whim on Rodgers’ part. It was a specific tactical ploy designed to punish United. “I just felt that the Manchester United centre-halves drop off so we could exploit the space in front of that with Raheem’s speed,” Rodgers explained. “We felt in this game that because of the nature of Manchester United being at home they’d have to attack and that would allow us to get in round the back of their midfield.”
Importantly, there is no guarantee that Liverpool will line up the same way next time out. While Rodgers knew what to expect of David Moyes’ Manchester United, getting a steer on this Liverpool team is a tricky business when they can change their plans to suit the demands of any particular match. “We worked it the other way against Southampton where we felt we could play through them with Philippe and then bring Raheem on when the game opens up,” added Rodgers.
It’s a flexibility that relies on the tactical intelligence of his players. Indeed, that was a recurring theme during Rodger’s post-match address. The Liverpool boss name-checked no fewer than five of his starting line-up in citing their tactical nous. Sterling was “developing really well tactically” we were told, while young full-back Jon Flanagan was “tactically very good” in adapting to the challenge of a big game.
Rodgers reserved the biggest praise for two men who’ve come in for criticism in the past in Jordan Henderson and Joe Allen. The midfield pair were tasked with the dual role of ensuring Liverpool had superiority of numbers in the middle but also getting out wide to help out their full-backs. Allen covered the most ground of any player on the pitch – 11.87km – and Henderson wasn’t far behind with 11.25km of running.
“Both the boys on the side, Jordan Henderson and Joe Allen, were exceptional,” said Rodgers. “They very rarely get mentioned, especially Joe Allen. But there is tactical intelligence required to play on the side.” There’s that word ‘tactics’ again. Clearly Rodgers is revelling in the fact that his players are taking his ideas on board. Poetry in motion is the chant from the Liverpool supporters but hard work is the Melwood mantra.
“I think the biggest thing in terms of where we’ve come in the past year is belief. We now inherently believe in what we’re doing. We’ve played a number of systems this year but the style stays the same. We want a team of dominance on the ball and aggressiveness in attack.” The fusion of those two styles has been an important factor in the improvement. They are not passing for the sake of it. In fact, Liverpool rank fifth in the Premier League for number of passes – down to 495 per game from 521 last year. Aggression in their attacking is the oft-repeated line now.
Top Four Comparison - PL 2013/14
Team Clear chances created
Liverpool 67
Manchester City 61
Arsenal 50
Chelsea 37
It’s evident in much of the work from Luis Suarez and Daniel Sturridge. In truth, the strike pair were not at their very best on Sunday. However, they still managed to terrorise Nemanja Vidic and Phil Jones. Run at defenders and things tend to happen. Liverpool have completed more dribbles (370) than any other Premier League team and have created more clear opportunities (67) too. Gerrard’s view that United’s defence hadn’t had a harder 90 minutes was probably justified.
Barclays Prem
POS PTS
1 Chelsea 66
2 Liverpool 62
3 Arsenal 62
4 Man City 60
Table last updated 17/03/2014 10:20
And the really scary thing is they’re getting better. The improvement is typified by Flanagan. “Working with him closely on the training field, you can see the improvement he’s made in the exercises that we do,” said Rodgers. “He’s improved his technique and then he’s been able to tactically introduce that into his game. He’s been very committed and it’s great to see young players like that improve and get better.”
This continued improvement will inevitability lead to title talk, despite Rodgers’ bizarre claim that they have more important things to discuss at Anfield. But if it works it works and clearly the aim is to keep the pressure off his players. As the man himself says: “We’ll just get on with coaching the players to get better.” It seems that ethos could yet take this Liverpool side rather further than their fans might dare to dream.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/15117/9218775/as-brendan-rodgers-continues-to-improve-this-liverpool-team-is-the-title-really-beyond-them
Post by: Deeks on March 17, 2014, 10:37:40 AM
I remember the days of hoping for Man U to lose so I could get a lil laugh. This season was like Christmas but now it actually getting boring.
Ent!
I starting to feel a lil sorry for them
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTY79L9djVvBajBeLREoLezIOcBPxN-9FzoCiavXL50GDda_p4zzA)
Breds, don't do that. The club needs a serious Fergie purge.
Post by: asylumseeker on March 17, 2014, 10:53:27 AM
Post by: kaliman2006 on March 17, 2014, 11:42:05 AM
Pool cyah drop any points going fwd ... what something like 9 games. But back in de day Arsenal had an even stiffer challenge, something like 12 games ahead of them and they won those games. On balance, Pool might be most deserving of the title.
It looks promising, but based on the number of false dawns I have endured as a Liverpool supporter, I am not so sure about the title; of course Liverpool should go for it, but at this point, at the very least, the reds need to secure the champions league spot to keep the likes of Suarez and Sturridge looking at other clubs to increase their chances of playing champions league football.
Post by: Peong on March 17, 2014, 02:16:58 PM
Man take multiple hits where he shouldn't be expected to keep his footing and did not bother to fling himself, like he learn something.
:applause:
Post by: elan on March 17, 2014, 03:04:43 PM
In that game Suarez was like a stingy girlfriend, not going down easy at all.
Man take multiple hits where he shouldn't be expected to keep his footing and did not bother to fling himself, like he learn something.
:applause:
Sturridge on the other hand was like Greg Louganis.
Post by: Bakes on March 17, 2014, 03:26:08 PM
In that game Suarez was like a stingy girlfriend, not going down easy at all.
Man take multiple hits where he shouldn't be expected to keep his footing and did not bother to fling himself, like he learn something.
:applause:
Sturridge on the other hand was like Greg Louganis.
Obviously he realize Foy wasn't giving it if yuh try and stay on yuh feet.
Post by: elan on March 17, 2014, 03:36:33 PM
In that game Suarez was like a stingy girlfriend, not going down easy at all.
Man take multiple hits where he shouldn't be expected to keep his footing and did not bother to fling himself, like he learn something.
:applause:
Sturridge on the other hand was like Greg Louganis.
Obviously he realize Foy wasn't giving it if yuh try and stay on yuh feet.
Yuh have to get touch first doh
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Post by: Bakes on March 17, 2014, 04:18:33 PM
Yuh have to get touch first dohYuh didn't say he "dive" though, yuh say he was "diving"... yuh ent saying nothing about the other two times he was brought down in the box.
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Post by: boss on March 18, 2014, 11:33:44 AM
Download link: http://traffic.libsyn.com/theanfieldwrap/PODCAST_-_LIVE_IN_NYC.m4a
Post by: Bakes on March 22, 2014, 10:23:17 AM
Post by: Tenorsaw on March 22, 2014, 06:13:14 PM
Liverbird flying high... dragging an unwilling defense along in the process.
We gotta sort out that defence in the summer. I say go after Vertonghen; he wants to play CL football.
Post by: Bakes on March 22, 2014, 06:36:43 PM
Liverbird flying high... dragging an unwilling defense along in the process.
We gotta sort out that defence in the summer. I say go after Vertonghen; he wants to play CL football.
I actually think it's more adjustment to the system than the constituent parts... but I know I in the minority on that.
On a different note... check out Sturridge's backheel pass to Suarez for the 4th goal, sublime.
(http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/sturridge-suarez.gif)
And again at the 1:52 mark...
https://www.youtube.com/v/xlA-btiTykc
Post by: Tenorsaw on March 22, 2014, 06:44:44 PM
Agger and go for Vertonghen. I think he is the best of all the CBs on the ball, but we are missing that leadership in the back. Honestly, we are missing Carragher.
Post by: rotatopoti3 on March 22, 2014, 07:59:26 PM
KJ could play defense in dat Pool side..
Post by: Bakes on March 22, 2014, 08:04:58 PM
Honestly, we are missing Carragher.
KJ could play defense in dat Pool side..
Doing what? Come nah man. Rodgers requires his defenders to be able to play the ball out from the back... what about Kenwyne Jones makes you think he capable of doing that? Tenor... same concern I have about Vertonghen, not saying he can't, just that I don't have that confidence in him. Agger for whatever his fault is gifted in that department.
Post by: Tenorsaw on March 24, 2014, 01:34:37 PM
Honestly, we are missing Carragher.
KJ could play defense in dat Pool side..
Doing what? Come nah man. Rodgers requires his defenders to be able to play the ball out from the back... what about Kenwyne Jones makes you think he capable of doing that? Tenor... same concern I have about Vertonghen, not saying he can't, just that I don't have that confidence in him. Agger for whatever his fault is gifted in that department.
Nah man, Vertonghen has a good handle on the ball. Very good going forward. He has the ability to play our tiki taka version. Ah love Agger, and as I said, he is the best of all the CBs playing the ball out of the back. He or Skrtel needs to take control of the entire defence and conduct it like Carra used to. That is why I said we were missing Carra.
Post by: mukumsplau on March 24, 2014, 04:02:20 PM
...more to follow.
Post by: Bakes on March 24, 2014, 04:26:20 PM
Breaking News: Reuteurs (Arima) - Liverpool close to signing Mukumsplau on a 4 year fan contract beginning 2014/15. Agreement yet to be found with Juventus.
...more to follow.
Is this on a free? lol
Post by: mukumsplau on March 24, 2014, 05:35:32 PM
Ive been very very very impressed with liverpool this season and rodgers who went about humble humble doin alot of work these past few years. I get value for my 2hrs when i sit down to watch them. Suarez or no suarez. Dis feelin serious cuz i never saw myself givin a shit bout any EPL side.
Post by: Feliziano on March 25, 2014, 09:36:27 PM
On rotation lolWell this is a first.
Ive been very very very impressed with liverpool this season and rodgers who went about humble humble doin alot of work these past few years. I get value for my 2hrs when i sit down to watch them. Suarez or no suarez. Dis feelin serious cuz i never saw myself givin a shit bout any EPL side.
Documented proof of someone blatantly jumping ship ;D
Hope you here to stay through thick and thin :beermug:
Post by: Sam on March 26, 2014, 03:31:33 AM
Post by: lefty on March 26, 2014, 07:33:46 AM
Post by: Bakes on March 26, 2014, 11:23:47 AM
Well this is a first.
Documented proof of someone blatantly jumping ship ;D
Hope you here to stay through thick and thin :beermug:
He eh jumping ship yet, he trying to join de crew part time... I sure he'll tell yuh he's still ah Serie A man.
Post by: lefty on March 26, 2014, 03:34:59 PM
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Post by: boss on March 26, 2014, 03:50:10 PM
Post by: kaliman2006 on March 26, 2014, 03:56:43 PM
My heart can't take this. This team and this season will kill me.
I knew this was going to be a tricky game, and I was cussing up a storm, and almost lost it when O'Shea (who should have scored) had that chance towards the end.
But, he missed.
In past seasons, that would have gone in and the game would have ended in a disappointing draw for Liverpool.
I would have preferred a more composed finish, but I am happy for the three points.
Post by: lefty on March 26, 2014, 03:59:05 PM
dis goh be entertainin
Post by: lefty on March 26, 2014, 04:02:57 PM
Post by: elan on March 27, 2014, 11:11:16 AM
still ah chelsea man, but pool been easy on mih eyes so ah watchin............pool was actually mih team as ah child right up to when TTT stop showiin english football, red was mih colour ;D.............already talk bout why chelsea now ent go bother dat now, other than to say decades long int'l football TV viewing black hole from no cable in my area start it ;D
Doh worry lefty, is still mainly Chelsea (JM) you watching. It in the blood of the gaffer.
Post by: lefty on March 27, 2014, 01:55:40 PM
still ah chelsea man, but pool been easy on mih eyes so ah watchin............pool was actually mih team as ah child right up to when TTT stop showiin english football, red was mih colour ;D.............already talk bout why chelsea now ent go bother dat now, other than to say decades long int'l football TV viewing black hole from no cable in my area start it ;D
Doh worry lefty, is still mainly Chelsea (JM) you watching. It in the blood of the gaffer.
??? yuh hadda help mih dey, don't get it................
Post by: Bakes on March 27, 2014, 03:08:31 PM
??? yuh hadda help mih dey, don't get it................
Doh pay Elan no mind... he referring to the time Rodgers spend on Mourinho's staff. Thank God none ah dat ugly football rub off on him :D
Post by: lefty on March 27, 2014, 03:27:30 PM
??? yuh hadda help mih dey, don't get it................
Doh pay Elan no mind... he referring to the time Rodgers spend on Mourinho's staff. Thank God none ah dat ugly football rub off on him :D
ah!....... I see.................d ugliness was gettin to mih eh, but it wukkin and sometimes does surprises yuh wit some good moments, dat arsenal beating...could do wit more ah dat....no more closin shop after two goals wit two third of d game still to play.....dat shit irksome no ass!
Post by: Tenorsaw on March 29, 2014, 11:03:12 AM
Please sign Adam Lallana this summer. He is simply a rare English talent - so technically gifted. He can PASS, score, shoot....
Post by: Bakes on March 29, 2014, 06:47:43 PM
Dear Brendan Rodgers:
Please sign Adam Lallana this summer. He is simply a rare English talent - so technically gifted. He can PASS, score, shoot....
AND he still very young to boot! Good player.
Post by: Bitter on March 30, 2014, 10:35:49 AM
With both Chelsea and City to face at home. You guys don't quite hold the keys to your own destiny, but you could do some strong back-seat driving.
Post by: kaliman2006 on March 30, 2014, 10:56:01 AM
I am happy, but it goes without saying that it would be foolish for Liverpool to start thinking about the title.
Tottenham was quite toothless though.
My friend who supports Spurs must be beside himself; nine goals conceded by the team from North London against the Reds.
Post by: Tenorsaw on March 30, 2014, 12:07:19 PM
Liverpool are now top of the league with a goal difference of +49, with only City boasting a better goal difference.
I am happy, but it goes without saying that it would be foolish for Liverpool to start thinking about the title.
Tottenham was quite toothless though.
My friend who supports Spurs must be beside himself; nine goals conceded by the team from North London against the Reds.
Too early to think bout title...one game at a time. West Ham will be a difficult away game, especially with their aerial threat.
Post by: Tenorsaw on March 30, 2014, 12:10:12 PM
Post by: mukumsplau on March 30, 2014, 12:29:25 PM
looking forward to anfield celebrating the championship on the last day of the season
Post by: Jumbie on March 30, 2014, 01:08:58 PM
Post by: chelsealife on March 30, 2014, 05:03:58 PM
I have to call you guys front runners for the league title now.Ummm they do actually cuz home advantage counts for a LOT
With both Chelsea and City to face at home. You guys don't quite hold the keys to your own destiny, but you could do some strong back-seat driving.
Post by: Bakes on March 30, 2014, 07:07:42 PM
I have to call you guys front runners for the league title now.
With both Chelsea and City to face at home. You guys don't quite hold the keys to your own destiny, but you could do some strong back-seat driving.
Actually we do, we're on 71 points with six games (+18 pts) to go. If we win out we'll finish the season with 89 points.
City's on 67 with 8 games to play. If we win out (including beating them) the max games they could win is 7 (+21 pts), for a total for 88 pts at the end. We'll win the title by 1 point.
Post by: Bakes on March 30, 2014, 11:13:20 PM
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@officialcafu: Good to see the RedCafu is playing well! Liverpool amazing to watch!
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Post by: darrel3000 on March 31, 2014, 01:22:06 AM
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Post by: Bitter on March 31, 2014, 07:39:34 AM
I have to call you guys front runners for the league title now.
With both Chelsea and City to face at home. You guys don't quite hold the keys to your own destiny, but you could do some strong back-seat driving.
Actually we do, we're on 71 points with six games (+18 pts) to go. If we win out we'll finish the season with 89 points.
City's on 67 with 8 games to play. If we win out (including beating them) the max games they could win is 7 (+21 pts), for a total for 88 pts at the end. We'll win the title by 1 point.
Yeah, the table i looked at hadn't been fully updated, so I counted the wrong points and the correct number of games .
Post by: Bakes on March 31, 2014, 11:12:36 AM
Yeah, the table i looked at hadn't been fully updated, so I counted the wrong points and the correct number of games .
Still a long way to go though, pluse we've come close before so I for one keeping a level head. In my mind we're still ahead of schedule in terms of making a title challenge, so all of this has to be taken in stride. City will still have a big say in the title race, as will potentially Chelsea as well. City's games in hand cuts both ways though, they have extra opportunities to gain points, but it also means that they'll have to play 3 games in 8 days on one occasion, then four games in 14 days to close out the season. But they have one of the deepest squads (both in terms of numbers and talent) in the League, so it's very doable.
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Post by: maxg on April 12, 2014, 11:26:32 PM
I sick ah Liverpool and these Sunday games yes... week after week man hattuh siddung in church and ignore de notifications on he phone. Fed up ah de DVR business too... feel like forever since ah take in ah match in real time.apps, sound like ah ok time to say ah lil prayer for a excursion to anfield park..live and direct.
Post by: asylumseeker on April 13, 2014, 06:45:54 AM
Post by: lefty on April 13, 2014, 06:56:02 AM
Sterling: @ poise, composure and class
dat goal was sweetly taken
Post by: lefty on April 13, 2014, 07:04:55 AM
Post by: kaliman2006 on April 13, 2014, 07:40:11 AM
Also, Sakho almost made me cuss with that stupid challenge in the penalty area on Djeko. That could have been a certain penalty
Rodgers need to get the players to calm down...
Post by: kaliman2006 on April 13, 2014, 07:50:15 AM
He needs to chill with the diving
Post by: Bitter on April 13, 2014, 07:52:53 AM
Post by: kaliman2006 on April 13, 2014, 07:53:53 AM
The pessimist in me has seen many MANY teams go 2-0, miss subsequent chances, and pay the cost. This is going to be tense...
The players need to calm down and stop thinking about the title.
Post by: ckhan on April 13, 2014, 07:54:49 AM
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Post by: Bitter on April 13, 2014, 07:58:55 AM
game boy!
A great game this!!!!
Hell of a game.
Liverpool take they foot off the gas. Now they will be chasing the game.
Post by: kaliman2006 on April 13, 2014, 07:59:24 AM
pipe buss
Yep, the signs were there with 10 minutes to go in the first half.
City deserves to be back in the match
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Post by: lefty on April 13, 2014, 08:02:38 AM
Hell of a game.
Liverpool take they foot off the gas. Now they will be chasing the game.
yep ah likin this.....hopin for d draw still doh.....ah done get d entertainment...d draw goh be sweet
Post by: kaliman2006 on April 13, 2014, 08:14:23 AM
It's a good thing I am a young man and am in good health.
Oh boy
Post by: lefty on April 13, 2014, 08:15:09 AM
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Post by: lefty on April 13, 2014, 08:35:10 AM
The special one will sort allyuh out.
ah hope.....we trip we self up too much I think though
Post by: weary1969 on April 13, 2014, 08:36:30 AM
dat was good boy....pool want it...dey really want it!
CO-SIGNNNN
Post by: kaliman2006 on April 13, 2014, 08:41:03 AM
Kompany's uncharacteristic mistake, followed by Coutinho's classy finish was really a reprieve for the Reds.
Rodgers has got to get those players to stop thinking about the title and just focus on winning matches.
Apart from the technical nuts and bolts, it is about the power of the mind.
Post by: rotatopoti3 on April 13, 2014, 08:47:41 AM
Liverpool went asleep early in that 2nd half boy....real pressure ....we fell asleep
Silva almost spoil d party....Milner turnout tuh be a genius sub
But Coutinho iz definately MOM for me .....
Post by: ckhan on April 13, 2014, 08:48:43 AM
Post by: Tenorsaw on April 13, 2014, 11:01:49 AM
Post by: lefty on April 13, 2014, 11:05:05 AM
Post by: D.H.W on April 13, 2014, 11:20:10 AM
Post by: lefty on April 13, 2014, 11:25:01 AM
Stueps! Sightabanca ??? :laugh:
Post by: Tenorsaw on April 13, 2014, 11:32:30 AM
Post by: Bakes on April 13, 2014, 01:30:46 PM
apps, sound like ah ok time to say ah lil prayer for a excursion to anfield park..live and direct.
Is years Tenorsaw trying to talk me into ah Anfield trip... looks like we'll have to make it happen next season for sure.
As for the match, disappointed with the lack of composure by Liverpool. You cannot sit back and try and absorb pressure, we've proven that to ourselves all season. You certainly can't start doing that 11 mins into the second half, which is when the first City goal came. We go unlucky on the Johnson OG, but the football gods giveth and the football gods taketh away. Harsh on Kompany, but considering he got a reprieve after manhandling Suarez in the box and nothing was called, he'll have to live with that.
Not quite the composed game I would have liked to see, but a fitting tribute to the 96, two days before the anniversary of Hillsborough... YNWA
Post by: lefty on April 13, 2014, 02:08:41 PM
Not expecting Chelsea to leave Goodison Park next week with all the points, especially with Everton in the hunt for a CL spot. Not an easy place to go and win. Our local rivals may very well do us a favor.
um ??? chelsea play everton aready ??? dis is what left
19 Apr 2014 v Sunderland (H)
27 Apr 2014 v Liverpool (A)
04 May 2014 v Norwich (H)
11 May 2014 v Cardiff (A)
maybe yuh mean City dem still have everton
Post by: Tenorsaw on April 13, 2014, 02:13:15 PM
Post by: lefty on April 13, 2014, 02:14:37 PM
I meant Man City at Everton next week.
yeah kinda figured
Post by: Tenorsaw on April 13, 2014, 02:16:48 PM
Post by: Bakes on April 13, 2014, 02:31:03 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/1gzUBXLUqrI
Post by: boss on April 14, 2014, 07:50:19 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1.0-9/10172696_772585809420944_5128893459843410363_n.jpg)
Post by: D.H.W on April 14, 2014, 08:02:05 AM
Regards, Man U supporter.
Post by: elan on April 14, 2014, 10:55:51 AM
Sheer emotion...
https://www.youtube.com/v/1gzUBXLUqrI
So was this the last game of the season that they won the league?
Post by: Bakes on April 14, 2014, 11:20:28 AM
So was this the last game of the season that they won the league?
No it wasn't... which is precisely why the video is so appropriate. Don't worry though, you're a Chelsea fan... comprehension isn't your strong suit.
Post by: elan on April 14, 2014, 11:29:48 AM
Post by: Bakes on April 14, 2014, 11:32:14 AM
No just winning.
And what exactly have YOU won?
Post by: kaliman2006 on April 14, 2014, 12:41:38 PM
Gerrard was emotional because there is literally no margin for error as far as Liverpool's title challenge is concerned and the players displayed a lot of nerves.
The Reds do not have Russian billionaire money like some Johnny-come-lately (former sh#t side) clubs).
Post by: Peong on April 15, 2014, 09:21:02 AM
So was this the last game of the season that they won the league?
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11669/9266234/steven-gerrard-dedicates-man-city-win-to-hillsborough-victims-ahead-of-anfield-memorial-service
Quote
The midfielder, whose 10-year-old cousin Jon-Paul Gilhooley was the youngest of 96 people who lost their lives at the stadium crush in Sheffield, was reduced to tears at the end of Sunday's 3-2 win, one that kept the Reds on track for Premier League glory.
Today is the 25th anniversary of the tragedy and Gerrard will lead his side to Anfield for an annual memorial service.
"The reason I was so emotional was because of when this game fell," Gerrard said.
"It wasn't just because it was a big match in our season, it was because this week is always about more than football for everyone associated with Liverpool. It's emotional for so many people.
Post by: Bakes on April 15, 2014, 10:55:18 AM
‘30 for 30: Soccer Stories’ on ESPN Revisits Hillsborough (New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/15/arts/television/30-for-30-soccer-stories-on-espn-revisits-hillsborough.html?ref=soccer))
By MIKE HALE
APRIL 14, 2014
“Hillsborough,” Tuesday night on ESPN, is a soccer movie with very little soccer in it. It’s about a match played 25 years ago at the Hillsborough stadium in Sheffield, England, that ended after just six minutes — when the realization set in that amid the festive atmosphere of an F.A. Cup semifinal, fans were being crushed to death a few yards behind the west goal.
This powerful documentary, directed by Daniel Gordon (“The Game of Their Lives”), feels less like a sports film than an Errol Morris-style true-crime investigation. It’s interesting, and perhaps admirable, that ESPN chose it to inaugurate “30 for 30: Soccer Stories,” a series of documentaries leading up to the 2014 World Cup in Brazil. “Hillsborough” is not about what Pelé called the beautiful game.
The death toll from the match between Liverpool and Nottingham Forest would reach 96, and it would take more than two decades of inquiries to establish that the police were at fault for failing to control thousands of fans who crammed into a few small standing-room sections. (The more evocative British term for these concrete death traps: the pens.)
Mr. Gordon uses game film, re-creations and heartbreaking interviews with survivors, relatives of the victims, police officers and investigators. He lays out the deadly events in lucid and unsparingly grim terms. Burly policemen go silent recalling the helplessness they felt. “Your primary duty is to protect life,” one says, a sob in his voice. “Not catch villains, your primary duty is to protect life. And there were all these dead people there.”
But Mr. Gordon is just as interested in the long tail of the story: the efforts of the police, helped by some newspapers, to cover up their own responsibility and to lay the blame on the visiting Liverpool fans, who were falsely accused of storming the turnstiles. It was 23 years before a government-formed panel conclusively reported that the fans were not to blame, which led to a new criminal inquest that was convened just two weeks ago.
“The price of Hillsborough is not reducible to 96 people dying,” says Phil Scraton, a criminologist and member of the 2012 panel. “The price of Hillsborough is the price of institutionalized injustice, the appalling treatment by some of the media of the good reputations of innocent people, the cavalier way in which wonderful people were vilified. That’s the price of Hillsborough.”
30 for 30: Soccer Stories
Hillsborough
ESPN, Tuesday night at 8, Eastern and Pacific times; 7, Central time.
Directed by Daniel Gordon.
Post by: elan on April 15, 2014, 12:02:55 PM
@ elan
Gerrard was emotional because there is literally no margin for error as far as Liverpool's title challenge is concerned and the players displayed a lot of nerves.
The Reds do not have Russian billionaire money like some Johnny-come-lately (former sh#t side) clubs).
Because no other team is/was playing for a title.
This sh#t johnny-come-lately in the CL semis.
Post by: elan on April 15, 2014, 12:04:47 PM
No just winning.
And what exactly have YOU won?
I know only YOU allowed to talk about y'all club as we, everyone else are hypocrites.
I won the emotion of seeing MY team make it to the Champions League Semis and currently 2nd in the League and having that success generate haters. :beermug:
Post by: Bakes on April 15, 2014, 08:17:34 PM
I know only YOU allowed to talk about y'all club as we, everyone else are hypocrites.
I won the emotion of seeing MY team make it to the Champions League Semis and currently 2nd in the League and having that success generate haters. :beermug:
I know you like to play dotish, but ah starting to think yuh eh playing...
Don't worry though, you're a Chelsea fan... comprehension isn't your strong suit.
As I said... comprehension isn't yuh strong suit. Take yuh time.
Post by: kaliman2006 on April 15, 2014, 09:11:07 PM
@ elan
Gerrard was emotional because there is literally no margin for error as far as Liverpool's title challenge is concerned and the players displayed a lot of nerves.
The Reds do not have Russian billionaire money like some Johnny-come-lately (former sh#t side) clubs).
Because no other team is/was playing for a title.
This sh#t johnny-come-lately in the CL semis.
CL in a competition which Liverpool won five times..
I remember when Chelsea was where Liverpool was in recent times (in fact, worse...)
So, as I said, all of these former sh#t Johnny-come-lately teams...
Post by: elan on April 15, 2014, 09:52:43 PM
@ elan
Gerrard was emotional because there is literally no margin for error as far as Liverpool's title challenge is concerned and the players displayed a lot of nerves.
The Reds do not have Russian billionaire money like some Johnny-come-lately (former sh#t side) clubs).
Because no other team is/was playing for a title.
This sh#t johnny-come-lately in the CL semis.
CL in a competition which Liverpool won five times..
I remember when Chelsea was where Liverpool was in recent times (in fact, worse...)
So, as I said, all of these former sh#t Johnny-come-lately teams...
Let's dust them off.
Post by: elan on April 15, 2014, 09:53:39 PM
I know only YOU allowed to talk about y'all club as we, everyone else are hypocrites.
I won the emotion of seeing MY team make it to the Champions League Semis and currently 2nd in the League and having that success generate haters. :beermug:
I know you like to play dotish, but ah starting to think yuh eh playing...Don't worry though, you're a Chelsea fan... comprehension isn't your strong suit.
As I said... comprehension isn't yuh strong suit. Take yuh time.
Doh worry we have a cleaning service.
Post by: darrel3000 on April 18, 2014, 07:20:58 AM
http://www.lfcny.org/forums/showthread.php?4286-12-to-go-RACE-TO-THE-END (http://www.lfcny.org/forums/showthread.php?4286-12-to-go-RACE-TO-THE-END)
Post by: Trini Madness on April 18, 2014, 08:37:18 PM
Have you guys seen this thread?
http://www.lfcny.org/forums/showthread.php?4286-12-to-go-RACE-TO-THE-END (http://www.lfcny.org/forums/showthread.php?4286-12-to-go-RACE-TO-THE-END)
Crystal Palace scares me for some reason, just as much as Chelsea....you never know. We just gotta keep this momentum going.
I'm actually going to London next week for the first time, I'm going to visit Liverpool as well. I've been going all over the place trying to get a ticket to the Liverpool v Chelsea game but no luck at all. Even woke up 3am to go online for the general sale. :bs: :banginghead: :frustrated: yet I'm still going to Liverpool and take in the game at a nearby pub. Anybody have a link up for the Liverpool v Chelsea match? ;D
Post by: boss on April 19, 2014, 05:20:04 AM
I'm actually going to London next week for the first time, I'm going to visit Liverpool as well. I've been going all over the place trying to get a ticket to the Liverpool v Chelsea game but no luck at all. Even woke up 3am to go online for the general sale. :bs: :banginghead: :frustrated: yet I'm still going to Liverpool and take in the game at a nearby pub. Anybody have a link up for the Liverpool v Chelsea match? ;D
You could walk around the perimeter of Anfield and you might get lucky and be able to buy one from a tout or a supporter with an extra, but (a) counterfeit tickets float around for massive matches like these, so you could spend a lot and get turned away at the turnstile, (b) the price of a ticket will be ridiculous. The going resale rate for the 2005 champions league semi was around £3,500 per ticket (I considered selling mine....for about a second then good sense prevailed!) so it's not unreasonable to think a ticket would go for £5000 or so. Watching in a nearby pub is a good option. I recommend The Arkles on Anfield Road. Just be careful though. Anfield (the area as a opposed to the stadium) isn't the safest. There are also good pubs in the city centre of Liverpool. It's far from Anfield but it's something to consider. Enjoy the trip! :beermug:
Post by: Trini Madness on April 19, 2014, 03:22:54 PM
I'm actually going to London next week for the first time, I'm going to visit Liverpool as well. I've been going all over the place trying to get a ticket to the Liverpool v Chelsea game but no luck at all. Even woke up 3am to go online for the general sale. :bs: :banginghead: :frustrated: yet I'm still going to Liverpool and take in the game at a nearby pub. Anybody have a link up for the Liverpool v Chelsea match? ;D
You could walk around the perimeter of Anfield and you might get lucky and be able to buy one from a tout or a supporter with an extra, but (a) counterfeit tickets float around for massive matches like these, so you could spend a lot and get turned away at the turnstile, (b) the price of a ticket will be ridiculous. The going resale rate for the 2005 champions league semi was around £3,500 per ticket (I considered selling mine....for about a second then good sense prevailed!) so it's not unreasonable to think a ticket would go for £5000 or so. Watching in a nearby pub is a good option. I recommend The Arkles on Anfield Road. Just be careful though. Anfield (the area as a opposed to the stadium) isn't the safest. There are also good pubs in the city centre of Liverpool. It's far from Anfield but it's something to consider. Enjoy the trip! :beermug:
Thanks for the tips. I most likely will end up in a pub somewhere but I'm not giving up hope just yet with the possibility of late availability tickets. Isn't the Arkles an "away" pub? For away fans? How is The Albert or The Sandon? I just want to experience the atmosphere, which I'm sure is on a whole different level than Nevada Smith's in Union Square.
Post by: boss on April 19, 2014, 03:43:00 PM
Isn't the Arkles an "away" pub? For away fans?
Whoops, you're right. It wasn't when I used to go, but I guess it is now. There's a thread about pubs near Anfield on RAWK that should be helpful:
http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=17158.0#post_j :beermug:
Post by: Toppa on April 19, 2014, 05:10:49 PM
Post by: kaliman2006 on April 20, 2014, 05:07:21 AM
Nice finish.
1-0 Liverpool.
Very long way to go though...
Post by: kaliman2006 on April 20, 2014, 05:11:20 AM
2-0.
Post by: boss on April 20, 2014, 06:54:07 AM
5 pts clear :beermug:
Post by: kaliman2006 on April 20, 2014, 06:57:41 AM
:frustrated: :banginghead:
Yes, the reds won, but that match was too close for comfort, and Sakho is getting away with some horrendous challenges in and around the Liverpool area.
It goes without saying that the defence should be one of the positions that should be filled when Liverpool taps into the transfer market.
Post by: boss on April 20, 2014, 07:11:56 AM
(http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/7558/5timessu0.jpg)
Post by: rotatopoti3 on April 20, 2014, 07:32:30 AM
cant be up 2-0 against city then against norwich and let both ah dem come back in d game..
we riding we luck too much....
like we does fall asleep until ah goal score....
Post by: Bakes on April 20, 2014, 01:50:19 PM
Post by: kaliman2006 on April 20, 2014, 02:13:47 PM
I will have to watch the replay of the first Norwich goal again, you may have a point.
Doh get me wrong, any team winning ten matches in a row is quite an achievement, especially a team that does not have the depth of squad of a Chelsea or Man City.
Along with Atlético in Spain, this could very well be a season where David topples Goliath in terms and a squad with two star players and an aging veteran (Gerrard) pitted against the obscenely wealthy Chelsea and Man City.
In fact, based on what I have read on other boards, many fans of other clubs are rooting for Liverpool based on the fact that I just stated. One Arsenal fan, disgusted with likes of Chelsea and City, has started rooting for the Reds.
As you say, based on the breaks that have gone against Liverpool in the past (This match would most likely have ended in a draw or a defeat in seasons gone by), I will gladly accept the breaks that are going their waynow.
Post by: Bakes on April 20, 2014, 04:34:51 PM
On this level when you cede possession like that you invite pressure, and when there is relentless pressure there is usually some mistake or the other. Teams like Norwich who play a more direct style and who are desperate will bombard the box with crosses, and not surprisingly that's how they got back into the game. We have to let our offense contribute to our defense as well, by retaining possession, and POSITIVE possession, continuing to keep the opposing defense honest so that they can't just sell out in attack.
As for the first Norwich goal, Johnson led with his left leg and planted it (unwittingly, it seems) into Mignolet... this impeded Mignolet's jump and his subsequent ability to punch clear. I'm not suggesting the ref should have ruled this a foul (he probably didn't see it), but these are the things that happen in the natural ebb and flow of a match... Sakho's inadvertent clattering of Snodgrass being another. The best you can hope for is that the breaks go your way in the end... or at worst, that they even out in the end.
Post by: Bakes on April 20, 2014, 09:22:25 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/Bo_hEDAndb8
Other thoughts... Sterling easily could have had a hattrick, skying the pullback from Coutinho (I think it was) overbar. Suarez too probably should have scored at least one other. And good to see Flanagan's development continue... it was his pass that led to Sterling's assist to Suarez, after some composed sideline play.
Post by: Flex on April 21, 2014, 05:46:21 AM
By Fazeer Mohammed (Express)
Unlike my media colleague from Barbados, who texted that message right after yesterday’s early game in the English Premier League at Norwich City, that shaky 3-2 victory over a side in danger of relegation was no reason to celebrate as if a first football league title in 24 years was already in the bag, especially with three games still to play.
So the response was typically guarded: “Lucky...played poorly after bright start today. It’s a good thing Man City and Chelsea are faltering.” Not long after, a gentleman doing some plastering work at home on what—for me—was an unusually busy Sunday morning, paused from mixing cement to ask: “Ent it have a IPL match today?”
Indeed there was, with the King’s XI Punjab taking on the Rajasthan Royals, the franchise that prevailed over the Chennai Super Kings in the final of the inaugural season of the Indian Premier League T20 cricket tournament in 2008.
Nobody seemed the least bit interested in the semi-finals of the regional first-class cricket competition. Not the Bajan texter, not the mason, not even the neighbour up the road who sells newspapers at the front of his parlour and who, right up to the final rain-ruined day of the league campaign in Guyana a week ago, was always keen to know the score, especially as there has been no radio commentary throughout a season that started for Trinidad and Tobago right after Carnival.
It’s a reasonable question: If Barbados have been crowned champions after the league format, what are the top four regional sides now engaged in the semi-finals really playing for? Okay, so the simple, straightforward answer is the Headley/Weekes Trophy. But if that piece of silverware, named after the late George Headley and Sir Everton Weekes—two of the region’s greatest batsmen ever—is supposed to be the symbol of supremacy in Caribbean first-class cricket, why wasn’t it presented to Barbadian captain Kraigg Brathwaite after the conclusion of the league?
This is not intended to be any slight towards the West Indies Cricket Board president Dave Cameron or any of the previous or future holders of the office, but I would think a trophy bearing the name of two West Indian batting legends carries far more status and prestige than the WICB President’s Trophy, which is what Braithwaite received on behalf of the champion team.
Confusing matters even further and giving already disinterested fans more reason to ignore the competition almost totally is the inconsistency of its format and structure. Last year, Jamaica, champions for the previous five seasons, topped the league table but were not awarded the prize for a sixth successive year.
In 2013, the competition structure deemed that the first-class champions would have been decided by the result of the final, in which Barbados thrashed T&T by an innings in two-and-a-half days at Kensington Oval. That’s after the national side pulled off an upset victory over Jamaica in Kingston at the semi-final stage.
A year later and the rules are different, so even if Barbados are mauled by Jamaica in one of the semi-finals in Bridgetown or get to the final next weekend and are beaten by either Trinidad and Tobago or the Windward Islands—the other two semi-finalists—their official status as 2014 regional first-class champions is unaffected, although it will obviously be tarnished in the eyes of the few who still see value in the title.
These inconsistencies are nothing new in the regional game. Way back in 1996, Trinidad and Tobago, like Jamaica last year, defeated everyone in the league format yet lost the final to the Leeward Islands at Guaracara Park, with the visitors being crowned regional champions.
Ten years later, T&T finally ended the drought going back to 1985 when a 264-run hammering of Barbados in Black Rock saw the visitors confirmed as champions after the league format, even with the semi-finals and final of what was known as the “Challenge” trophy segment of the season still to come.
There are more than enough high-quality, well-packaged, well-presented “live” sporting events on television competing for fans’ attention even before considerations of the poor quality of Caribbean first-class cricket being a disincentive are taken into account. Is it too much though, to expect consistency in the format and structure of the competition?
By the way, on the topic of competition from sports on TV, how many of you realise the dilemma facing Test cricket fanatics who also happen to be eagerly anticipating the 2014 World Cup football finals in Brazil? It’s bad enough that the second Test against New Zealand at the Queen’s Park Oval is scheduled to start on a Monday (June 16).
Traditional Thursday or Friday starts to Tests throughout the Caribbean have been largely abandoned over the past three years, the reason given having something to do with tight, inflexible international cricket schedules. Worse though is the fact that two World Cup games will be on “live” on each of the five afternoons of the Test.
So, will you be in the Oval for day one when Germany are taking on Portugal at midday? What about day two, when the Brazilians kick-off against Mexico just after tea? Defending champions Spain face Chile from 3 p.m. on day three, another fixture to test your loyalty, much like Uruguay versus England on day four, the Labour Day holiday.
Much like now, will anyone really care what’s the score at the Oval?
Post by: asylumseeker on April 21, 2014, 07:32:37 AM
Post by: Bakes on April 21, 2014, 11:30:18 AM
Mignolet was never getting that call ... even with an official positioned as they are in the CL.
No one has suggested that he should have gotten the call... let alone that he would have gotten it with another official on the field.
Post by: mukumsplau on April 21, 2014, 12:11:54 PM
Tunapuna, Trinidad (AP) - Mukumsplau has revealed that he cannot wait to join Liverpool on a co-ownership agreement for the 2014/15 season. Speaking to reporters while on his way to program his cable to the Benfica-Juventus game on Thursday, the Trinidadian was ecstatic about the Merseyside team's three points against Norwhich on Sunday.
"Enjoy their opening salvo versus teams, and it was very important against this side. A few nervy moments nearing the end but they held on" he said. On their chances at next season he opined "This frenetic pace they go at teams can be maintained with about 4-5 quality purchases for much needed depth. Cannot wait to hear the Champions League anthem playing again at Anfield. Defence needs a bit of shoring up but I'm sure Brendan knows this and will make the necessary moves"
Responding to criticism faced on SWnet on being a bandwagonner, he noted that Liverpool, like Juventus, are steeped in rich footballing history and is important that these clubs return to the european elite and other clubs (name withheld) return to the steaming pile of manure they once belonged. As he put it, "big side is big side."
Post by: Bakes on April 21, 2014, 12:53:13 PM
ANFIELD- Liverpool Football Club have officially declined to comment on rumors of a pending move for Juventus' Mukumsplau (http://forum.juventuz.org/members/10305-mukumsplau?tab=aboutme). Officials are weary of being accused with "tapping up" another team's supporter, but are unofficially said to maintain an open door policy to anyone interested in joining the legion of Kopites worldwide.
"We are aware of rumors of alleged interest shown by the supporter, he's a good lad, keen, level-headed and composed. There's always room for lads such as Mukumsplau but we have not approached any other clubs regarding their supporters at this time", said The Artist Formerly Known As Bakes, a member of Club's SW.net hierarchy.
Interest in neutral fans joining the ranks of Liverpool's supporters are understood to be running high with the Anfield club poised to close in on it's first ever Premier League title, and with Brendan Rodgers' men playing an attractive brand of football. Rodgers has revived the club's fortunes and with it it's preeminence among fans and sponsors worldwide.
Post by: Dumplingdinho on April 21, 2014, 08:06:33 PM
Post by: darrel3000 on April 22, 2014, 08:24:10 AM
Post by: weary1969 on April 22, 2014, 10:43:26 AM
Following David Moyes' sacking, police have been called to quell the protests outside Old Trafford.
The Liverpool, Man City, and Chelsea fans have all been told to go home.
Go to work all yuh
Post by: boss on April 24, 2014, 09:01:34 AM
John Aldridge believes Liverpool still have much to do to win Premier League
skysports.com
Last Updated: 24/04/14 2:13pm
Former Liverpool favourite John Aldridge has sounded a note of caution over their chances of ending their long wait for a Premier League title.
Liverpool head into Sunday's pivotal clash with injury-hit Chelsea with a five-point lead over Jose Mourinho's side, while Manchester City are a further point adrift having played a game less.
Many experts have predicted Liverpool will be impossible to catch if they emerge victorious at Anfield, but Aldridge insists there is still plenty of hard work ahead.
Aldridge was part of the Liverpool team that suffered a shock 2-0 defeat to Arsenal at Anfield in the last game of the 1988/89 season, when Michael Thomas snatched the title for the Gunners with virtually the last kick of the campaign.
"Everyone had said Arsenal had no chance whatsoever," he told Sky Sports News. "To win 2-0 at Anfield looked unlikely at the time, but we all know what happened.
"So I think that's a massive example, but the lads this season have got their feet on the floor and the attitude is fantastic.
"I've been watching football at Anfield for nearly 50 years, and I think this year is the best I've ever seen. When you're taking the top teams apart in the manner which they've done, it's been frighteningly good."
Aldridge believes captain Steven Gerrard has been the driving force for Liverpool this season, and his performances reminded the former Reds striker of the Anfield glory years.
"Gerrard has been just inspirational," he added. "I've known Steve for a long time and he's epitomised what Liverpool Football Club was all about in the 60s, 70s and 80s.
"He's been fantastic, and the role that Brendan Rodgers has picked for him has been a blessing in disguise because he's taken to it like a duck to water.
"He's like a manager on the pitch. What Brendan needs to get across, Steve's been doing it.
"That was underlined after the Manchester City game, when he told the players it wasn't all over and there was a lot of hard work to be done.
"Chelsea, even though they've got a couple of injuries, their squad is capable of beating anyone, so nothing's being taken for granted."
Mourinho has hinted he will played a largely second-string side this weekend as he rests key players for Wednesday's Champions League semi-final second leg against Atletico Madrid.
But Aldridge believes Liverpool are in the sort of form to beat any top team at home.
"I don't think Liverpool fear any side," he said. "They respect every team that comes to Anfield, but they will use a lot of pace and presence and direction.
"We've got the players to scare defences, and I think Chelsea have got to go there to score goals because Liverpool will score and they might have to score two or three to get a result.
"I'll be surprised if Mourinho does put a young, inexperienced side out. While you still have the opportunity to win the league, then you've got to go for it.
"He's got a massive semi-final game next week, but if he gets nine points in three league games then Chelsea can still win the Premier League. But whoever he plays, you need to treat them with the utmost respect.
"Liverpool will be much the same side. They may bring in Agger for Sakho, but I think Brendan will leave it. If Sturridge is not fit enough, then Lucas will probably come in.
"Unfortunately we've not got enough on the bench to come on and change a game, but the 11 players on the pitch can beat anyone as they've shown in the past.
"I think Liverpool will give Chelsea lots of respect, but I think they will have too much for them on the day. Even if Chelsea had their first team out I think Liverpool would have too much, and I'll think they will win by the odd goal."
Post by: kaliman2006 on April 24, 2014, 09:37:10 AM
I didn't take on Mourinho with his rather transparent mind games with regards to Chelsea's title chances. All one has to do is judge his true intentions by his furious reaction to the refereeing in Chelsea-Sunderland match last weekend; his response was more of a manager trying to win the league, rather than one who conceded the title.
And Mourinho, to quote a barb that he leveled at Arsene Wenger in the recent past, is "not a specialist in failure"
I do not think Abramovich would appreciate it if Mourinho were not trying to win the league with his charges either
So Liverpool better be ready and focused for the full ninety minutes on Sunday.
Post by: lefty on April 27, 2014, 07:53:56 AM
Post by: Bitter on April 27, 2014, 07:56:14 AM
Post by: Bakes on April 27, 2014, 08:53:04 AM
Post by: lefty on April 27, 2014, 08:59:08 AM
Post by: Bitter on April 27, 2014, 09:00:05 AM
Post by: Bitter on April 27, 2014, 09:00:35 AM
Brutal game from a footballing perspective... but Chelsea has no reason to complain. Chalk one up for cynical football.
No, chalk two up.
Post by: Bakes on April 27, 2014, 09:01:39 AM
No, chalk two up.
Just one victory... and Chelsea ain't winning shit this season :beermug:
Post by: Bitter on April 27, 2014, 09:02:36 AM
The special one will sort allyuh out.
::)
Post by: kaliman2006 on April 27, 2014, 09:03:12 AM
But.....
Liverpool are still top of the league and that is a fact.
Post by: Bakes on April 27, 2014, 09:04:18 AM
The special one will sort allyuh out.
::)
He did... I'll give him credit. He figured out a way to make Gerrard slip at the most critical point of the game.
Post by: Bitter on April 27, 2014, 09:05:45 AM
The special one will sort allyuh out.
::)
He did... I'll give him credit. He figured out a way to make Gerrard slip at the most critical point of the game.
The score was 2 - ZERO.
Everybody and they brother know we were coming to park the bus and counter attack. Highest scoring team in the league - zero goals.
Post by: kaliman2006 on April 27, 2014, 09:12:16 AM
The special one will sort allyuh out.
::)
He did... I'll give him credit. He figured out a way to make Gerrard slip at the most critical point of the game.
The score was 2 - ZERO.
Everybody and they brother know we were coming to park the bus and counter attack. Highest scoring team in the league - zero goals.
So a deeper squad (with far more money, might I add), beats a Liverpool side, that is overachieving beyond its wildest imagination.
And you come to gloat.....
Liverpool's realistic target this season is Champions League qualification (which has been accomplished).
Anything else is a bonus.
Post by: FF on April 27, 2014, 09:16:58 AM
That is for all de Liverpool talkers I had to hear yesterday... nothing personal against de fans in here ;D
Post by: Bitter on April 27, 2014, 09:17:50 AM
So a deeper squad (with far more money, might I add), beats a Liverpool side, that is overachieving beyond its wildest imagination.
And you come to gloat.....
Liverpool's realistic target this season is Champions League qualification (which has been accomplished).
Anything else is a bonus.
Allyuh adjusting expectations quick.
You hoping to challenge Arsenal for the 4th place trophy?
Post by: kaliman2006 on April 27, 2014, 09:26:57 AM
So a deeper squad (with far more money, might I add), beats a Liverpool side, that is overachieving beyond its wildest imagination.
And you come to gloat.....
Liverpool's realistic target this season is Champions League qualification (which has been accomplished).
Anything else is a bonus.
Allyuh adjusting expectations quick.
You hoping to challenge Arsenal for the 4th place trophy?
Speak for yourself partner.
Even Rodgers did not expect to be challenging for the title this early
http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/286487.html
So boss, which "allyuh" you talking about?
And after all the ole' talk....
Liverpool are still top of the league, with Chelski requiring favours from other teams to win the league.
Post by: Bakes on April 27, 2014, 09:34:48 AM
The score was 2 - ZERO.
Everybody and they brother know we were coming to park the bus and counter attack. Highest scoring team in the league - zero goals.
To the victor goes the spoils, even I know enough to recognize that. Your team won so you can come in here and gloat about it... good for you pardna. We'll see how it all plays out in the end :beermug:
Post by: lefty on April 27, 2014, 09:42:12 AM
Post by: Bitter on April 27, 2014, 10:04:03 AM
ah come people .................all in good fun.......... I enjoyin this either way, chelsea is my team but they seriously should have had diss tied long time, too many lapses.........but I is won chelsea fan dat glad for pool regardless ah what happen.....ah enjoy dem d other games immensely.
Ditto.
These fellas feeling a how b/c they loss. But is just ole talk.
They been down so long they not accustom
Post by: kaliman2006 on April 27, 2014, 04:52:23 PM
ah come people .................all in good fun.......... I enjoyin this either way, chelsea is my team but they seriously should have had diss tied long time, too many lapses.........but I is won chelsea fan dat glad for pool regardless ah what happen.....ah enjoy dem d other games immensely.
Ditto.
These fellas feeling a how b/c they loss. But is just ole talk.
They been down so long they not accustom
Whatever you say boss. I was responding in jest also, but it is difficult to infer that tone of a response from the Internet.
Of course, many Liverpool fans will be disappointed with the result, but as far as the Liverpool mgt is concerned, this season has already been a mammoth success.
So doh think I taking anything "a-how" because Liverpool lost.
I am just pointing out facts in a picong-type of way.
At the end of the day, LFC does not pay my bills, so I always have perspective
:beermug:
Post by: lefty on April 27, 2014, 05:19:11 PM
Whatever you say boss. I was responding in jest also, but it is difficult to infer that tone of a response from the Internet.
Of course, many Liverpool fans will be disappointed with the result, but as far as the Liverpool mgt is concerned, this season has already been a mammoth success.
So doh think I taking anything "a-how" because Liverpool lost.
I am just pointing out facts in a picong-type of way.
At the end of the day, LFC does not pay my bills, so I always have perspective
:beermug:
cool man I not really fightin this no more, barring a complete disaster for alyuh and city, chelsea wont win.....d max we can get is 84.... alyuh or city hit 84 we third on goal difference..........and mou goh punder over all dem game he close shop with 2 goal lead and 55mins to go...dat fella need to let loose sometimes.
Post by: Tallman on April 28, 2014, 01:35:39 PM
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Post by: boss on May 03, 2014, 12:26:47 PM
Post by: legal alien on May 03, 2014, 03:33:20 PM
Post by: boss on May 03, 2014, 05:02:01 PM
To hardcore Liverpool fans(no, I'm not one ) on here:Is that a factor in how yuh does view him?
Not really. The biting and diving are the two things that primarily concern me. I actually don't think he racially abused Evra, not because I'm a Liverpool fan, but because there were too many inconsistencies and things that don't make sense in the independent report. But only he and Evra will really know what was said.
Post by: elan on May 03, 2014, 06:14:08 PM
To hardcore Liverpool fans(no, I'm not one ) on here:Is that a factor in how yuh does view him?
Not really. The biting and diving are the two things that primarily concern me. I actually don't think he racially abused Evra, not because I'm a Liverpool fan, but because there were too many inconsistencies and things that don't make sense in the independent report. But only he and Evra will really know what was said.
So give him
Post by: Bakes on May 03, 2014, 06:35:40 PM
Post by: boss on May 03, 2014, 07:19:56 PM
So give himracistthe benefit of the doubt. Just as the protesters in Spain saying that the coach who throw the banana at Alves is being unfairly targeted. Say wah.
Well it's not a fair comparison; there's no doubt that the coach threw the banana.
Post by: asylumseeker on May 03, 2014, 08:29:08 PM
Also, considering that Suárez has been embraced by Johnson, Sturridge, Sterling, Sakho et al for club, and has played with Abel Hernández, Álvaro Pereira, Egidio Arévalo Ríos et al on the national team ... In the absence of understanding his socialization, I think we're too distant from the situation to make a comprehensive condemnation of the player beyond what we know factually ... though there's no doubt he now suffers from a perception issue.
Aside from that, he's probably learned a lesson in spite of Kenny Dalglish's obstructionist conduct. Other than that, I think the way Bakes framed his response is almost spot-on. I would phrase it differently: he intended to abuse and/or harass Evra and he intended to use race as a way of riling him. However, he may not have construed his conduct as racist ... which it nonetheless was. Lesson for Suárez.
What I found despicable is the club's reaching into his genealogy to assert that because he had an ancestor of African descent, he couldn't have engaged in racist conduct. How absolutely absurd! ... and an exercise in clutching at straws that was not particularly dispositive.
I have to admit I have been curious about this topic, but I believe there's room for rehabilitation. As such, I continue to relish his movement with the ball until such time as subsequent conduct overrides his appeal with the ball.
Reminds me of a conversation I had with a Brazilian who found Pele's failure to acknowledge his daughter before she died as diminishing of his legacy.
Post by: Tenorsaw on May 05, 2014, 12:04:46 PM
At the end of the day, we are football purists. We acknowledge Suárez's excellent body of work on the field. However, the moments that have been less than honorable are compartmentalized into a separate file, although surely neither forgotten nor forgiven.
Also, considering that Suárez has been embraced by Johnson, Sturridge, Sterling, Sakho et al for club, and has played with Abel Hernández, Álvaro Pereira, Egidio Arévalo Ríos et al on the national team ... In the absence of understanding his socialization, I think we're too distant from the situation to make a comprehensive condemnation of the player beyond what we know factually ... though there's no doubt he now suffers from a perception issue.
Aside from that, he's probably learned a lesson in spite of Kenny Dalglish's obstructionist conduct. Other than that, I think the way Bakes framed his response is almost spot-on. I would phrase it differently: he intended to abuse and/or harass Evra and he intended to use race as a way of riling him. However, he may not have construed his conduct as racist ... which it nonetheless was. Lesson for Suárez.
What I found despicable is the club's reaching into his genealogy to assert that because he had an ancestor of African descent, he couldn't have engaged in racist conduct. How absolutely absurd! ... and an exercise in clutching at straws that was not particularly dispositive.
I have to admit I have been curious about this topic, but I believe there's room for rehabilitation. As such, I continue to relish his movement with the ball until such time as subsequent conduct overrides his appeal with the ball.
Reminds me of a conversation I had with a Brazilian who found Pele's failure to acknowledge his daughter before she died as diminishing of his legacy.
The club's handling of this affair led to FSG cleaning house: The PR / Communications head was let go, because that was a poorly crafted response to the crux of the issue.
Post by: Bitter on May 05, 2014, 02:15:25 PM
Have to get that goal difference...
Post by: lefty on May 05, 2014, 02:23:35 PM
Liverpool looking to run up the score now.
Have to get that goal difference...
ent....I thought palace was looking to make trouble for d top sides but it fairly apparent dat chelsea simply lacks penetration man city now 'pool doing what we couldn't....goh put mih head on a block an' say daiz Mata bitin chelsea in d ass in ah sense.....was never convinced by Oscar as d num 10
Post by: Bitter on May 05, 2014, 02:40:25 PM
Post by: lefty on May 05, 2014, 02:40:37 PM
Post by: Bitter on May 05, 2014, 02:46:16 PM
Post by: lefty on May 05, 2014, 02:46:58 PM
Post by: Bitter on May 05, 2014, 02:48:59 PM
Post by: Bitter on May 05, 2014, 02:50:02 PM
Liverpool looking to run up the score now.
Have to get that goal difference...
ent....I thought palace was looking to make trouble for d top sides but it fairly apparent dat chelsea simply lacks penetration man city now 'pool doing what we couldn't....goh put mih head on a block an' say daiz Mata bitin chelsea in d ass in ah sense.....was never convinced by Oscar as d num 10
Yuh know we put goat-mouth on them here, right?
Post by: Bitter on May 05, 2014, 02:52:05 PM
Enough for the dramatic winner from either side.
Post by: Bitter on May 05, 2014, 02:56:11 PM
Bus driver needed. Apply within.
Post by: boss on May 05, 2014, 02:57:54 PM
Post by: triniairman on May 05, 2014, 02:58:49 PM
Post by: Deeks on May 05, 2014, 03:01:26 PM
Post by: Deeks on May 05, 2014, 03:02:38 PM
Rogers Out!
Bus driver needed. Apply within.
Moyes is available!!!
Post by: boss on May 05, 2014, 03:03:01 PM
kind of suprised by the result. 3-3 and was 3 up. Was this at Anfield ? Catched the last 5 mins. But cheer up! At least you guys can play Champions League next year.
No, Selhurst Park.
Post by: Bakes on May 05, 2014, 03:14:58 PM
Post by: MEP on May 05, 2014, 03:16:51 PM
Post by: chelsealife on May 05, 2014, 09:13:09 PM
Post by: lefty on May 06, 2014, 04:03:27 AM
I expect City to mess up against Villa and West Ham. I actually want Liverpool to win d league, good luck
despite d lack of coolness under pressure, they have been a joy to watch
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on May 06, 2014, 08:35:24 AM
So give himracistthe benefit of the doubt. Just as the protesters in Spain saying that the coach who throw the banana at Alves is being unfairly targeted. Say wah.
That isn't a fair comparison at all. I am no Liverpool fan but I agree there were inconsistencies and without fully understanding or applying the cultural context to whatever was said, there is no way they can definitively say it was racial abuse. By how it is defined in their handbook it may fit but I am not sure I believe he is a racist or that he intended to convey racist overtones when he was messing with Evra. I think he was simply trying to put him off so as to have a competitive advantage. In times past he seem equal opportunity tactician in trying to frazzle defenders and considering he bit at least 2 and neither were black, I would say race has very little to do with anything he does.
Post by: elan on May 06, 2014, 08:47:44 AM
So give himracistthe benefit of the doubt. Just as the protesters in Spain saying that the coach who throw the banana at Alves is being unfairly targeted. Say wah.
That isn't a fair comparison at all. I am no Liverpool fan but I agree there were inconsistencies and without fully understanding or applying the cultural context to whatever was said, there is no way they can definitively say it was racial abuse. By how it is defined in their handbook it may fit but I am not sure I believe he is a racist or that he intended to convey racist overtones when he was messing with Evra. I think he was simply trying to put him off so as to have a competitive advantage. In times past he seem equal opportunity tactician in trying to frazzle defenders and considering he bit at least 2 and neither were black, I would say race has very little to do with anything he does.
Isn't that the same thing that the people in Spain are saying though. :-\
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on May 06, 2014, 08:54:39 AM
So give himracistthe benefit of the doubt. Just as the protesters in Spain saying that the coach who throw the banana at Alves is being unfairly targeted. Say wah.
That isn't a fair comparison at all. I am no Liverpool fan but I agree there were inconsistencies and without fully understanding or applying the cultural context to whatever was said, there is no way they can definitively say it was racial abuse. By how it is defined in their handbook it may fit but I am not sure I believe he is a racist or that he intended to convey racist overtones when he was messing with Evra. I think he was simply trying to put him off so as to have a competitive advantage. In times past he seem equal opportunity tactician in trying to frazzle defenders and considering he bit at least 2 and neither were black, I would say race has very little to do with anything he does.
Isn't that the same thing that the people in Spain are saying though. :-\
TBH I don't know what they are saying in Spain because I am not following, however given that they don't throw bananas at other races of players it is clearly a racist application taunt. Whether designed to put players off or not if it is only directed at one particular race of people then it's clear cut racism. Add the fact that throughout the world black people have been compared to monkeys in an effort to paint us inferior and the context becomes even clearer. So by that standard even if they trying to say the same thing I said, they are either being deliberately deceptive or grossly naive (which I don't believe they are at all).
Post by: Bakes on May 06, 2014, 09:30:16 AM
Post by: elan on May 06, 2014, 11:30:04 AM
Post by: Bakes on May 06, 2014, 02:09:36 PM
I know Saurez is different he is not racist, he just said something that Evra taught was racist, but he did not mean it like that, plus there is no real evidence to support what Evra said, just he said, she said. So case closed done and dusted. :beermug:
Now you just being an ass... there's a difference between racially abusing someone and being a racist. I really want to know if you never used the c-word directed at a person of Indian descent growing up... trying to rile them up. If you did, does that make you a racist?
Quote
"No-one is saying he's a racist - he's probably a very nice guy. He's alleged to have made abusive comments and that's the basis on which [the case] was considered." "This charge is not saying Luis Suarez is a racist. It's saying, on this occasion, he used racist language. It doesn't make him a bad guy - he needs to learn what is acceptable."
Lord Ouseley, Chairman of Kick It Out.
Evra said Suarez told him "I don't speak to blacks" and partially on the basis of this he thought his motives in using "negro" were racial. Of course Suarez speaks to blacks... he talks to his team mates all the time... so clearly he was just trying to wind Evra up by saying something so outrageously false. Evra himself conceded that he probably wasn't calling him a "nigger", but more "blackie" or something of the sort. This is in keeping with Suarez' impish demeanor throughout, the whole thing was a joke to him... winding up Evra and taking glee in his success. But kill you dead Suarez is a racist... all the evidence seemingly to the contrary be damned. Good luck with yuh one horse crusade.
Post by: elan on May 06, 2014, 09:40:12 PM
I know Saurez is different he is not racist, he just said something that Evra taught was racist, but he did not mean it like that, plus there is no real evidence to support what Evra said, just he said, she said. So case closed done and dusted. :beermug:
Now you just being an ass... there's a difference between racially abusing someone and being a racist. I really want to know if you never used the c-word directed at a person of Indian descent growing up... trying to rile them up. If you did, does that make you a racist?Quote"No-one is saying he's a racist - he's probably a very nice guy. He's alleged to have made abusive comments and that's the basis on which [the case] was considered." "This charge is not saying Luis Suarez is a racist. It's saying, on this occasion, he used racist language. It doesn't make him a bad guy - he needs to learn what is acceptable."
Lord Ouseley, Chairman of Kick It Out.
Evra said Suarez told him "I don't speak to blacks" and partially on the basis of this he thought his motives in using "negro" were racial. Of course Suarez speaks to blacks... he talks to his team mates all the time... so clearly he was just trying to wind Evra up by saying something so outrageously false. Evra himself conceded that he probably wasn't calling him a "nigger", but more "blackie" or something of the sort. This is in keeping with Suarez' impish demeanor throughout, the whole thing was a joke to him... winding up Evra and taking glee in his success. But kill you dead Suarez is a racist... all the evidence seemingly to the contrary be damned. Good luck with yuh one horse crusade.
:beermug:
Post by: Tiresais on May 07, 2014, 07:58:47 AM
The most galling thing is that he clearly hasn't learnt his lesson, given his defence of what he said. He's in his mid-twenties, so the ignorance of youth doesn't apply here. If we were playing football on the Savannah, and to wind you up I said "I don't talk to blacks", does that make it okay? Absolutely not.
Post by: elan on May 07, 2014, 09:26:49 AM
And if Suarez had said "I don't speak to Jews"? He is a racist by definition when he spews such filth - he is clearly engaging in an act of racial discrimination. The thought of attacking someone's race simply wouldn't occur to me - not in any context. The fact that he jumped to that is telling - If he's not racist, why does he think it's acceptable to say that in any context? It's a weird bastard-child of the "I have black friends" defence. If he had said negro that would have been worse, but whether "blackie" or "negro" the implication is the same - he's a racist.
The most galling thing is that he clearly hasn't learnt his lesson, given his defence of what he said. He's in his mid-twenties, so the ignorance of youth doesn't apply here. If we were playing football on the Savannah, and to wind you up I said "I don't talk to blacks", does that make it okay? Absolutely not.
Donald Sterling have/had an entire NBA team of black players, he had a black man a his GM, he told his girlfriend you can love how many black people you want, you can bring them home, "you can have sex with them for all I care", he said, "I love black people" Sterling said, but don't be in public with them.
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on May 07, 2014, 11:13:35 AM
And if Suarez had said "I don't speak to Jews"? He is a racist by definition when he spews such filth - he is clearly engaging in an act of racial discrimination. The thought of attacking someone's race simply wouldn't occur to me - not in any context. The fact that he jumped to that is telling - If he's not racist, why does he think it's acceptable to say that in any context? It's a weird bastard-child of the "I have black friends" defence. If he had said negro that would have been worse, but whether "blackie" or "negro" the implication is the same - he's a racist.
The most galling thing is that he clearly hasn't learnt his lesson, given his defence of what he said. He's in his mid-twenties, so the ignorance of youth doesn't apply here. If we were playing football on the Savannah, and to wind you up I said "I don't talk to blacks", does that make it okay? Absolutely not.
If he says that but it's clear that it isn't true then what is he? You really obtuse oui
Post by: Bakes on May 07, 2014, 11:49:52 AM
If he says that but it's clear that it isn't true then what is he? You really obtuse oui
"Obtuse" is being kind... seeing that Jewish identity is not a racial classification.
Post by: Tiresais on May 07, 2014, 01:09:41 PM
Post by: elan on May 07, 2014, 01:29:55 PM
Allyuh needed to buy at least one bus from Chelsea...
Nah is Liverpool them could run up the score. :rotfl:
Post by: Deeks on May 07, 2014, 01:54:38 PM
Post by: boss on May 10, 2014, 07:41:04 PM
Last time Liverpool went into the final day of the season with a chance at winning the league: 1986 and 1989
Whatever happens tomorrow, it's been an incredible season, and a massive improvement on last season. And Champions League football next season! :beermug:
Post by: Bakes on May 10, 2014, 08:14:13 PM
Last time Liverpool won the league: 1990
Last time Liverpool went into the final day of the season with a chance at winning the league: 1986 and 1989
Whatever happens tomorrow, it's been an incredible season, and a massive improvement on last season. And Champions League football next season! :beermug:
Yeah, slightly disappointed that we fumbled the chance we had at the end, but City was always in prime position to at least make it close. In the end they may be more worthy winners by virtue of their overall play... but it would have been (and still would be nice) for Gerrard to get his title. Successful season nonetheless.
Post by: Tenorsaw on May 30, 2014, 08:07:25 AM
Post by: Bakes on May 30, 2014, 11:11:30 AM
OK, so 4mil pounds for former Liverpool trainee, Lambert. Word is that this is to allow Southampton to reduce their asking offer for Lallana, but still bring in cumulatively the same amount they expect to make from sale of Lallana. There is a 25 percent sell-on fee owed to Lallana's previous club, Bournemouth, should he be sold. Lambert does provide some variation in attack, and he is coming from a club that is accustomed to playing the ball on the floor, so the adjustment to style should not be as drastic.
I like the guy... always have. I think he'll be a fantastic addition. He's no one-trick pony ala Carroll, but can play the ball with his feet, is a good passer, his technique is probably the best of any English forward right now... and by that I mean his accuracy with both pass and shot. Moreover he's a clinical finisher, equally adept on the ground or in the air. I'm not sure how he is on his left foot, but I don't recall it ever being a problem. Fantastic addition, and it allows him to come "home".
Post by: Tenorsaw on May 30, 2014, 11:36:49 AM
OK, so 4mil pounds for former Liverpool trainee, Lambert. Word is that this is to allow Southampton to reduce their asking offer for Lallana, but still bring in cumulatively the same amount they expect to make from sale of Lallana. There is a 25 percent sell-on fee owed to Lallana's previous club, Bournemouth, should he be sold. Lambert does provide some variation in attack, and he is coming from a club that is accustomed to playing the ball on the floor, so the adjustment to style should not be as drastic.
I like the guy... always have. I think he'll be a fantastic addition. He's no one-trick pony ala Carroll, but can play the ball with his feet, is a good passer, his technique is probably the best of any English forward right now... and by that I mean his accuracy with both pass and shot. Moreover he's a clinical finisher, equally adept on the ground or in the air. I'm not sure how he is on his left foot, but I don't recall it ever being a problem. Fantastic addition, and it allows him to come "home".
Rodgers pretty much stressed earlier this season that his technique was excellent. We know Rodgers will never recruit players that are not technically adept; that is a major requirement to play under him. He'll definitely offer more of an aerial threat, should we decide to go that route and mix it up.
Post by: Tenorsaw on June 03, 2014, 11:09:26 AM
see birthpaper below.
http://assets2.lfcimages.com/uploads/birth_certificate.jpg
Post by: Bakes on June 03, 2014, 04:23:50 PM
Happy Birthday Liverpool! Today marks 122 years since Everton FC was evicted from Anfield and Liverpool took its space. YNWA!
see birthpaper below.
(http://assets2.lfcimages.com/uploads/birth_certificate.jpg)
Niceness :beermug:
Post by: mukumsplau on June 27, 2014, 11:58:40 PM
ins and outs (potential or factual)?
i dont know yet how to pick sense from nonsense wrt transfer rumours for Livers
Post by: Bakes on June 28, 2014, 01:59:28 AM
Lallana having a medical this weekend ahead of a move
Dejan Lovren may follow... linking up with Lambert of course.
Shaqiri (Switzerland) and Origi (Belgium) are close to being signed.
Supposedly...
Post by: asylumseeker on July 27, 2014, 04:46:05 PM
Midfielder Adam Lallana, 25, was signed for £25m from Southampton
Midfielder Emre Can, 20, was signed for £10m from Bayer Leverkusen
Winger Lazar Markovic, 20, was signed for £20m from Benfica
Defender Dejan Lovren, 25, was signed for £20m from Southampton
Post by: asylumseeker on July 27, 2014, 04:48:57 PM
Post by: Football supporter on July 27, 2014, 04:49:16 PM
Post by: Bakes on July 27, 2014, 05:11:54 PM
Post by: Tenorsaw on July 28, 2014, 08:24:10 AM
Markovic looks the real deal early. Greater diversity in attack by LFC seems to be Rodgers' intent this season.
Markovic seems to be a handful...Rodgers will take him to the next level where he will become incisive. He has a lot of tricks, good pace, and high intensity when we are pressing; seems to have already bought in to the philosophy of pressing high up the field and in the middle when we lose the ball.
Post by: Bakes on July 31, 2014, 02:02:16 PM
Post by: Trini Madness on July 31, 2014, 04:04:44 PM
Post by: Bakes on July 31, 2014, 04:13:33 PM
bakes where did you guys sit? i was in the kop section 235.
Not sure which was the designated "Kop" section for the game... but we were behind the City goal in the second half, Section 109, Row 25. From the perspective of center circle, we were in the upper left side, diagonally up from the flag. We shoulda say something here before the match, woulda been nice to link up with the other LFC forumites :beermug:
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Post by: Bakes on August 04, 2014, 02:44:22 PM
Nice meeting you tooTrue TBakes ;D
Wait, you was dey? :D
Post by: Trini Madness on August 04, 2014, 06:17:53 PM
bakes where did you guys sit? i was in the kop section 235.
Not sure which was the designated "Kop" section for the game... but we were behind the City goal in the second half, Section 109, Row 25. From the perspective of center circle, we were in the upper left side, diagonally up from the flag. We shoulda say something here before the match, woulda been nice to link up with the other LFC forumites :beermug:
Yea we should've let each other know we were going. I was sitting in the "kop" it was de bleacher seats filled with red you couldn't have missed it right where the pk's were taken. Nice vibes over there.
Post by: Bakes on August 04, 2014, 07:00:50 PM
Yea we should've let each other know we were going. I was sitting in the "kop" it was de bleacher seats filled with red you couldn't have missed it right where the pk's were taken. Nice vibes over there.
Yeah that was the opposite end from where we sat... good vibes whole game. We kept up a running back and forth with some City fans behind us, all in good fun. Title game vs. United on Fox here in the US right now. LFC up 1-0 at halftime.
Post by: Bakes on August 04, 2014, 07:31:05 PM
Post by: Bakes on August 17, 2014, 06:57:05 AM
Post by: Deeks on August 17, 2014, 10:37:19 AM
Post by: Bakes on August 17, 2014, 04:23:15 PM
Good game.Southhampton played very well. Could have tied the game. But Pool pulled it off. Sterling is certainly a handful. It certainly not going to be a walk in the park for the top 4, if the so called minnows continue playing great football.
Dusan Tadic is a baller. Knew nothing of him before today but he was electric... that assist to Clyne to level the score was pure class.
Post by: Tiresais on August 21, 2014, 05:48:27 AM
BBC Sport
Liverpool are in talks with AC Milan to sign former Manchester City striker Mario Balotelli.
Reds boss Brendan Rodgers wants the Italy international, 24, to strengthen his attack after last season's top scorer Luis Suarez joined Barcelona.
Balotelli moved to Milan for £19m from City last year and has scored 30 goals in 54 games for the Serie A club.
Liverpool travel to Etihad Stadium in their next Premier League match on Monday.
Balotelli was a big hit with the supporters during his first spell in England at City and helped the club win a first league title since 1968.
But he was also in the headlines for several off-the-pitch incidents - including a training ground bust-up with then-manager Roberto Mancini - and in a second troubled season he scored only three goals in 20 games.
The striker agreed a four-and-a-half-year deal with Milan in January 2013 and played for Italy at the World Cup in Brazil.
He was heavily linked with Arsenal earlier in the summer, but after bringing in Alexis Sanchez from Barcelona for £35m, Arsene Wenger ruled out signing another forward.
Liverpool have so far brought in only one frontman for the new campaign, signing Rickie Lambert from Southampton for £4m.
The Reds paid £10m for Lille's Belgium striker Divock Origi, 19, but have loaned him back to the French club for the season.
With doubts surrounding the future of Fabio Borini, who remains a target for Sunderland, Rodgers is keen to add to his forward line.
"I do still think we need another striker," he said after Liverpool began their Premier League campaign with a 2-1 victory over Southampton.
"It is something that we will look at, but it will depend on the availability of one.
"We will search through to the end of the transfer window."
AC Milan endured a difficult campaign last season, finishing eighth in Serie A and failing to qualify for Europe.
Balotelli would be guaranteed Champions League football at Liverpool, who finished runners-up to City in the Premier League last term.
Post by: Tiresais on August 21, 2014, 05:49:12 AM
Post by: Mose on August 21, 2014, 09:45:41 AM
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Liverpool agree £16m Balotelli fee
Liverpool agree a £16m fee with Italian club AC Milan to sign former Manchester City striker Mario Balotelli.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/28878088 (http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/28878088)
Post by: Tenorsaw on August 21, 2014, 12:10:43 PM
Post by: Mose on August 21, 2014, 12:14:55 PM
I feel Rodgers soothing personality will really get the best out of Balotelli; plus, men like Sterling and Sturridge will make him feel welcomed in the dressing room.Hopefully for allyuh sake. Me, I prefer you get "Bad Mario" and he upset allyuh applecart. JK ;D
In reality I hope it works out for all involved. Just not too well as I'm a ManU supporter.
Post by: Tenorsaw on August 21, 2014, 12:27:02 PM
Post by: Mose on August 21, 2014, 12:48:44 PM
Post by: Tiresais on August 21, 2014, 04:10:38 PM
On another note, Milan piping or what: 16 mil pounds? Me ain't arguing, but Balo worth much more than that.
They bought him for not much more than that, and the President has been talking crap about him for months.
Post by: Bakes on August 21, 2014, 11:45:40 PM
I feel Rodgers soothing personality will really get the best out of Balotelli; plus, men like Sterling and Sturridge will make him feel welcomed in the dressing room.
Agreed. Fantastic signing at £16m too... particularly so contrasted against the prices paid for Shane Long and offered for Fabio Borini (£14m each). All that aside I've always loved him as a player and been an unflinching supporter on and off the pitch*. He'll be just fine.
Bait taken in 3...2...1...
Post by: asylumseeker on August 22, 2014, 07:55:00 AM
Post by: Feliziano on August 24, 2014, 07:18:17 PM
yes very good piece of business at that price.I feel Rodgers soothing personality will really get the best out of Balotelli; plus, men like Sterling and Sturridge will make him feel welcomed in the dressing room.
Agreed. Fantastic signing at £16m too... particularly so contrasted against the prices paid for Shane Long and offered for Fabio Borini (£14m each). All that aside I've always loved him as a player and been an unflinching supporter on and off the pitch*. He'll be just fine.
Bait taken in 3...2...1...
I don't want no part of Eto.
Lucas off to Napoli it seems though
What's the latest on Agger?..I just saw some stats on the BBC that shows we had the most clean sheets, wins, etc when Agger was playing lol
Post by: Bakes on August 25, 2014, 12:43:44 AM
yes very good piece of business at that price.
I don't want no part of Eto.
Lucas off to Napoli it seems though
What's the latest on Agger?..I just saw some stats on the BBC that shows we had the most clean sheets, wins, etc when Agger was playing lol
Haven't seen anything recent on either Agger or Lucas. I won't be surprised if Rodgers keeps Lucas around though... long season and 4 competitions ahead.
Post by: Bakes on August 25, 2014, 03:05:27 PM
Post by: kaliman2006 on August 31, 2014, 08:47:31 AM
Long way to go this season of course.
Post by: Bakes on September 01, 2014, 03:36:19 PM
3) Liverpool show they have spent windfall wisely
What a pleasure it must be for new players to join this Liverpool squad. They have to work hard, sure, and competition for places is increasingly high but, if they embrace the challenge, the rewards could be wonderful. When they play as they did for much of last season and again at White Hart Lane on Sunday, Brendan Rodgers’ team are exhilarating to watch and, for any player with a wholesome attitude, fun to be a part of.
The early signs are that Liverpool have spent the Luis Suárez windfall wisely, as each of this summer’s recruits looks a worthy addition. It was suggested in the summer that Liverpool were destined to endure the sort of stuttering campaign that Tottenham Hotspur suffered after last season replacing Gareth Bale with several new signings but that was always a flawed comparison: because Liverpool is fertile ground in which to plant new players as, unlike Spurs last term, they are a club with cohesion and a vision. And they are gathering momentum.
-Paul Doyle
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/sep/01/premier-league-10-talking-points-weekend-action
Post by: grimm01 on September 01, 2014, 07:02:07 PM
Premier League: 10 Talking Points (UK Guardian)
3) Liverpool show they have spent windfall wisely
What a pleasure it must be for new players to join this Liverpool squad. They have to work hard, sure, and competition for places is increasingly high but, if they embrace the challenge, the rewards could be wonderful. When they play as they did for much of last season and again at White Hart Lane on Sunday, Brendan Rodgers’ team are exhilarating to watch and, for any player with a wholesome attitude, fun to be a part of.
The early signs are that Liverpool have spent the Luis Suárez windfall wisely, as each of this summer’s recruits looks a worthy addition. It was suggested in the summer that Liverpool were destined to endure the sort of stuttering campaign that Tottenham Hotspur suffered after last season replacing Gareth Bale with several new signings but that was always a flawed comparison: because Liverpool is fertile ground in which to plant new players as, unlike Spurs last term, they are a club with cohesion and a vision. And they are gathering momentum.
-Paul Doyle
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/sep/01/premier-league-10-talking-points-weekend-action
Spent wisely and avoided the last minute rounds of panic negotiating.
Post by: Tenorsaw on September 02, 2014, 09:05:07 AM
Premier League: 10 Talking Points (UK Guardian)
3) Liverpool show they have spent windfall wisely
What a pleasure it must be for new players to join this Liverpool squad. They have to work hard, sure, and competition for places is increasingly high but, if they embrace the challenge, the rewards could be wonderful. When they play as they did for much of last season and again at White Hart Lane on Sunday, Brendan Rodgers’ team are exhilarating to watch and, for any player with a wholesome attitude, fun to be a part of.
The early signs are that Liverpool have spent the Luis Suárez windfall wisely, as each of this summer’s recruits looks a worthy addition. It was suggested in the summer that Liverpool were destined to endure the sort of stuttering campaign that Tottenham Hotspur suffered after last season replacing Gareth Bale with several new signings but that was always a flawed comparison: because Liverpool is fertile ground in which to plant new players as, unlike Spurs last term, they are a club with cohesion and a vision. And they are gathering momentum.
-Paul Doyle
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/sep/01/premier-league-10-talking-points-weekend-action
Spent wisely and avoided the last minute rounds of panic negotiating.
Brendan Rodgers looks for a certain type of player, and if they don't fit the mould, they won't come.
Post by: Football supporter on September 02, 2014, 09:23:49 AM
While Rodgers took a lot of flak in his first season, he appears now to be in full control of the club. Meanwhile, Man U continue to demand instant success, which is very rare these days. Ironically, most clubs appreciated the amount of time Sir Alex took to get fully settled and realise that it's not wise to expect success in year one.
It would do Man U well to look back at the history behind their last 25 years of success.
Kudos to the LFC board, not only for their vision in selecting Rodgers, but also continuing to fund his team building and supporting him through the rough times early on.
Post by: Tenorsaw on September 02, 2014, 09:28:42 AM
It's interesting to compare the Board philosophy regarding managers at Liverpool and Man U.
While Rodgers took a lot of flak in his first season, he appears now to be in full control of the club. Meanwhile, Man U continue to demand instant success, which is very rare these days. Ironically, most clubs appreciated the amount of time Sir Alex took to get fully settled and realise that it's not wise to expect success in year one.
It would do Man U well to look back at the history behind their last 25 years of success.
Kudos to the LFC board, not only for their vision in selecting Rodgers, but also continuing to fund his team building and supporting him through the rough times early on.
Wouldn't say full control, but he definitely has more weight now, with the new contract he has negotiated. Transfers are still done on a committee basis, but I think he has the last say on who comes and goes.
Post by: Mose on September 02, 2014, 10:38:15 AM
It's interesting to compare the Board philosophy regarding managers at Liverpool and Man U.
While Rodgers took a lot of flak in his first season, he appears now to be in full control of the club. Meanwhile, Man U continue to demand instant success, which is very rare these days. Ironically, most clubs appreciated the amount of time Sir Alex took to get fully settled and realise that it's not wise to expect success in year one.
It would do Man U well to look back at the history behind their last 25 years of success.
Kudos to the LFC board, not only for their vision in selecting Rodgers, but also continuing to fund his team building and supporting him through the rough times early on.
I don't think the Man U board expected instant success (after all they gave him a 6 year contract to start) but they definitely expected better from him. For whatever reason he was unable to strengthen the side with significant signings over the summer and the handling of the Fellaini signing certainly didn't instill much confidence in his ability to deal with such things.
I always felt that while he didn't have to be immediately successful United, under Moyes, had to at least remain competitive, and they didn't do that. And once they lost out on the CL the writing was on the wall.
Rodgers on the other hand was able to come in after successive managers had "failed" so he had much less in terms of expectations to deal with and fans were prepared to be more patient.
Post by: asylumseeker on September 03, 2014, 12:05:44 PM
Liverpool posted the biggest pre-tax loss in the Premier League in 2012-13. The previous year only Manchester City posted a bigger one. In such circumstances, you might have expected the Anfield club to be squirrelling away at least some of its Luis Suárez windfall; to be showing a modicum of restraint in this summer's transfer market in the interests of its bottom-line. All the more so with UEFA's Financial Fair Play (FFP) provisions hovering in the background.
And yet here they are seemingly about to bring pure box office Mario Balotelli to Merseyside, in a move that would take their summer transfer spending to an estimated ooh £117 million or so. That's £40 million or £50 million more than they are pocketing for the Uruguayan superstar. How can such apparent extravagance be justified?
Well, increased turnover is one answer. By getting back into the Champions League, Liverpool will probably have assured themselves of €30 million to €40 million of new revenue that simply wasn't available to them last year – and that's just in participation and performance-related money from UEFA, without taking into account a further hike in match-day income from the return of big European nights to Anfield.
Another answer is that thanks to the magic of amortisation, the Reds are still on course to book a substantial net gain on their summer transfer dealings – and they may yet offload one or two more players in the remaining days of the summer window.
How can this be when their outlay is so much more than what they have recouped? The secret lies in the lop-sided way player valuations are dealt with in English corporate accounts.
On the one hand, when a club sells a player, the gain - or loss - that it realises against the value of that player carried in its books is normally included in full in that year's accounts.
When, by contrast, a player is bought, the transfer fee is normally amortised over the length of that player's contract. If a player signs for five years, therefore, at most a fifth of the fee would be included in the amortisation charge in that year's accounts.
Let's now try to apply this to Liverpool's summer business.
Heading out of the exit door, so far, have been Suárez to Barcelona, Pepe Reina to Bayern Munich, Martin Kelly to Crystal Palace and Conor Coady to Huddersfield Town.
Suárez was bought from Ajax in January 2011 for a reported £22.8 million on what was said to be a five-and-a-half year deal. That means he had about two years of his contract to run, suggesting that his remaining book value at the time of his sale may have been around £8.3 million.
Even if you assume that his latest transfer fee was 'only' £65 million, that would still leave the Merseysiders booking a hefty £56.7 million gain on the deal.
Add in £1.5 million and £375,000 respectively for Kelly and Coady, who were both "home-grown" talent which is normally valued in the books at zero, and £2 million for Reina, who joined Liverpool so long ago that his original fee is likely to have been fully amortised, or all but, and the gains column swells to well over £60 million.
That is still, repeat, substantially less than the club has spent.
What is relevant for our purposes, however, is not Liverpool's gross summer outlay on players, but how much of this will be included in the 2014-15 amortisation charge.
While I do not have all the information for a precise calculation, my best stab is that, even with Balotelli, the amount in question is likely to be around £30 million – probably less than half the gain.
In my back-of-envelope calculation, this is made up of: Adam Lallana £6.25 million; Rickie Lambert £2 million; Emre Can £2 million; Lazar Marković £4 million; Dejan Lovren £5 million; Alberto Moreno £3 million; Divock Origi £2 million; and Super Mario himself £4 million.
What this doesn't do, of course, is tell you anything about the company's cash flow. And we will almost certainly find that the club's wage costs in 2014-15 are substantially higher than the £132.4 million incurred in the year to May 2013.
When it comes to profitability, however, I'd be very surprised to find Liverpool still at the foot of the Premier League table in 2014-15, in spite of its current spending spree. You might see this as Suárez's parting gift.
http://www.insideworldfootball.com/david-owen/15309-david-owen-liverpool-and-balotelli-why-reds-set-for-a-summer-transfer-profit-despite-100m-spree
David Owen worked for 20 years for the Financial Times in the United States, Canada, France and the UK. He ended his FT career as sports editor after the 2006 World Cup and is now freelancing, including covering the 2008 Beijing Olympics, the 2010 World Cup and London 2012. Owen's Twitter feed can be accessed at www.twitter.com/dodo938.
Post by: Bakes on September 03, 2014, 03:13:41 PM
Post by: Football supporter on September 03, 2014, 06:49:52 PM
I read this article last week and still couldn't wrap my head around all dat setta maths. All I know is that Balo put in a good shift on Sunday and I only hope that he truly settles in and is made to feel welcomed at the club. Everyone says that he's matured since leaving England, and if that's the case then this may be as perfect a fit for all concerned as we could reasonably could find.
Similar to how you account for an asset such as a vehicle. You buy it at 100, but spread the cost over the 5 years you will own it(for accountancy purposes) - 20 per year. Then you sell it in year 3 for 50. So 50 comes in and, say 22 goes out for the new car. The difference being that cars and other assets are usually depreciated to reduce the value of company assets for Corporation Tax purposes, while footballers such as Balo should increase in value for at least another 3 years.
Best example of this kind of accountancy magic I ever saw was McDonalds in the 50's or 60's. They were making very little profit because they kept buying more outlets and couldn't borrow money anywhere to further expand. Their financial whiz, a guy called Sondheim, I believe, designed a new system which became standard accountancy practice. You simply add the value of the projected income (based on existing outlet sales) over say, 20 years, to your bottom line. So a $1 million dollar outlay added $20 million to your bottom line. Overnight McDonalds became a Fortune 500 company and money was thrown at them. To this day, their major income is stated as real estate, not fast food!
Liverpool have just brought business accountancy to football.
Post by: Bakes on September 03, 2014, 07:05:37 PM
Similar to how you account for an asset such as a vehicle. You buy it at 100, but spread the cost over the 5 years you will own it(for accountancy purposes) - 20 per year. Then you sell it in year 3 for 50. So 50 comes in and, say 22 goes out for the new car. The difference being that cars and other assets are usually depreciated to reduce the value of company assets for Corporation Tax purposes, while footballers such as Balo should increase in value for at least another 3 years.
Best example of this kind of accountancy magic I ever saw was McDonalds in the 50's or 60's. They were making very little profit because they kept buying more outlets and couldn't borrow money anywhere to further expand. Their financial whiz, a guy called Sondheim, I believe, designed a new system which became standard accountancy practice. You simply add the value of the projected income (based on existing outlet sales) over say, 20 years, to your bottom line. So a $1 million dollar outlay added $20 million to your bottom line. Overnight McDonalds became a Fortune 500 company and money was thrown at them. To this day, their major income is stated as real estate, not fast food!
Liverpool have just brought business accountancy to football.
I was just being silly, I get how amortization works, particularly coupled with asset depreciation (and for that matter, even losses carried forward) in helping companies maximize book profits. As you said, players don't depreciate and not sure that operating at a loss matters much to FFP, but I understand the general principle :beermug:
Post by: asylumseeker on September 07, 2014, 02:33:50 AM
Post by: Trini Madness on September 08, 2014, 12:50:09 PM
With the setback to Sturridge, Balotelli has a bit more weight on his shoulders.
henderson is out as well. i'd put sterling up in sturridge's place and start markovic on that left side, and give lallana his debut, later on in the game. as for henderson i'd put emre can there. we should be ok against aston villa.
edit: just saw the starting lineup for todays game and henderson is playing. ??? this morning there were articles stating that he was injured
Post by: Bakes on September 08, 2014, 01:51:56 PM
henderson is out as well. i'd put sterling up in sturridge's place and start markovic on that left side, and give lallana his debut, later on in the game. as for henderson i'd put emre can there. we should be ok against aston villa.
edit: just saw the starting lineup for todays game and henderson is playing. ??? this morning there were articles stating that he was injured
The articles stated that he was a doubt... UK Guardian even said he was a game day decision. He had a good first half against Switzerland... hope Roy sit him for the second half.
Post by: Bakes on September 13, 2014, 10:56:39 AM
Post by: elan on September 13, 2014, 01:26:23 PM
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Mario Balotelli was brought in by Rodgers last month to provide additional firepower but he spent much of the first half either being kicked or trying to avoid being kicked by Philippe Senderos.
The Swiss defender got away with at least one blatant hack at the former Manchester City striker off the ball which would have likely resulted in a red card had referee Lee Mason or either of his linesmen seen it.
Post by: asylumseeker on September 13, 2014, 02:26:30 PM
SMFH...........let Balo had rest at clout on him in return, I sure the ref and his men would have seen it.QuoteMario Balotelli was brought in by Rodgers last month to provide additional firepower but he spent much of the first half either being kicked or trying to avoid being kicked by Philippe Senderos.
The Swiss defender got away with at least one blatant hack at the former Manchester City striker off the ball which would have likely resulted in a red card had referee Lee Mason or either of his linesmen seen it.
Yeah, that was some malicious tata ... probably orchestrated by Roy Keane.
Post by: Bakes on September 13, 2014, 06:53:06 PM
Post by: Tenorsaw on September 15, 2014, 07:49:38 AM
Along with some of the stuff that took place against Tottenham (under Phil Dowd's watch), there seems to be little doubt as to what the strategy of some of these mid- and lower-tier teams appear to be when it comes to dealing with Balotelli.
Say what you want about tactics and getting one up on your opponent: kicking a man in the open field no where close to the action is not football. That is not the spirit of the game and I won't be surprised if the FA disciplinary committee takes action after review the footage. Balo might have his ways, but the treatment meted out to him on Saturday was uncalled for.
Post by: Jakie on September 15, 2014, 08:10:11 AM
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Agreed. Fantastic signing at £16m too... particularly so contrasted against the prices paid for Shane Long and offered for Fabio Borini (£14m each). All that aside I've always loved him as a player and been an unflinching supporter on and off the pitch*. He'll be just fine.
Bait taken in 3...2...1...
Not too impressed with Balotelli at the moment. Hope he improves.
Post by: Bakes on September 15, 2014, 04:45:49 PM
Say what you want about tactics and getting one up on your opponent: kicking a man in the open field no where close to the action is not football. That is not the spirit of the game and I won't be surprised if the FA disciplinary committee takes action after review the footage. Balo might have his ways, but the treatment meted out to him on Saturday was uncalled for.
Yeah, that was real bush league. I wouldn't be surprised if Rodgers has a quiet word with Mike Riley in the next coming days.
Post by: elan on September 16, 2014, 02:40:56 PM
Post by: lefty on September 16, 2014, 02:43:15 PM
Post by: Bakes on September 16, 2014, 03:07:18 PM
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Post by: elan on September 20, 2014, 05:49:27 PM
Better work hard to win the league this season as next year will present Liverpool with the added challenge of playing both domestic and European football, something they did not have to contend with this season.
Post by: Trini Madness on September 21, 2014, 11:21:31 AM
Post by: elan on September 23, 2014, 08:48:39 PM
Post by: Bakes on September 23, 2014, 09:42:51 PM
14-13 on pks...................lol
You missed a word... "victory."
Post by: Tenorsaw on September 24, 2014, 09:55:02 AM
Post by: Bakes on September 24, 2014, 01:15:26 PM
Rodgers working Sterling like ah leggo beast. Sterling should not have played 90 mins yesterday. He is going to burn the fella out. Good to see Lallana finding his feet, after not having a preseason. He will be crucial for this season. Men like Markovic need to get it going; he is young and is in a new league and country, but he gotta let that potential flow.
Yeah, I'm worried about the reliance on Sterling... we need to pace him.
Post by: elan on September 27, 2014, 11:35:54 AM
Post by: Bakes on September 27, 2014, 12:04:04 PM
Post by: elan on October 01, 2014, 02:55:46 PM
Better work hard to win the league this season as next year will present Liverpool with the added challenge of playing both domestic and European football, something they did not have to contend with this season.
Post by: Bakes on October 01, 2014, 03:03:49 PM
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on October 01, 2014, 03:13:31 PM
I'm not sure why you keep quoting yuhself... the "added challenge" hasn't been a factor in our poor play. You'd have a point if you said something about the poor defense and the failure of the new players to have an impact.
Yeah but to be fair you needed to add all these new players because of European football. If not you would have run them into the ground just like those Villa teams under O'Neill. The loss of Sturridge is really taking a toll on this team. Hopefully he comes back soon and plays well and the newbies settle or else allyuh might finish outside of any European competitions. Sotho, Swans, etc. not looking like they plan to just add up numbers.
Post by: asylumseeker on October 01, 2014, 03:15:04 PM
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on October 01, 2014, 03:17:01 PM
But for the bite, was Suarez returning to Liverpool after the WC?
I think he would have
Post by: Bakes on October 01, 2014, 04:29:25 PM
Yeah but to be fair you needed to add all these new players because of European football. If not you would have run them into the ground just like those Villa teams under O'Neill. The loss of Sturridge is really taking a toll on this team. Hopefully he comes back soon and plays well and the newbies settle or else allyuh might finish outside of any European competitions. Sotho, Swans, etc. not looking like they plan to just add up numbers.
That's a tenous argument to make... in essence that the addition of the new players has caused problems for Liverpool (following the argument back to its root that CL play would create issues). Our lack of creativity and composure up front has been the biggest cause of problems, and neither of those stem from our CL involvement. The departure of Suarez and the loss of Sturridge has had the largest impact. Similarly, the new players are not at fault for our defensive liabilities... although Lovren and Manquillo have both been underwhelming (for me personally).
Post by: Deeks on October 01, 2014, 05:37:47 PM
Post by: elan on October 01, 2014, 05:47:05 PM
I'm not sure why you keep quoting yuhself... the "added challenge" hasn't been a factor in our poor play. You'd have a point if you said something about the poor defense and the failure of the new players to have an impact.
Excuses much?
Liverpool is the only team with new players? My gosh, how tough on Liverpool to have to ask a coach to add new (better) players. I keep quoting myself because last season when alyuh was beating up alyuh chest and signing praises from the high heavens I told y'all that LFC was only flattering to deceive. That the prospect of CL ball would/will bring you all back to reality.
Brendan Rogers built for 1 season and is already rebuilding? How does that work? Maybe I really do not understand football. :-\
Post by: elan on October 01, 2014, 05:52:34 PM
Yeah but to be fair you needed to add all these new players because of European football. If not you would have run them into the ground just like those Villa teams under O'Neill. The loss of Sturridge is really taking a toll on this team. Hopefully he comes back soon and plays well and the newbies settle or else allyuh might finish outside of any European competitions. Sotho, Swans, etc. not looking like they plan to just add up numbers.
That's a tenous argument to make... in essence that the addition of the new players has caused problems for Liverpool (following the argument back to its root that CL play would create issues). Our lack of creativity and composure up front has been the biggest cause of problems, and neither of those stem from our CL involvement. The departure of Suarez and the loss of Sturridge has had the largest impact. Similarly, the new players are not at fault for our defensive liabilities... although Lovren and Manquillo have both been underwhelming (for me personally).
Wait you believe that with your squad from last year you would have been fine for CL play? If not, then how could you say Scorpion's argument is tenuous? If so, then that is madness.
Post by: Peong on October 01, 2014, 06:01:58 PM
Post by: Bakes on October 01, 2014, 06:57:55 PM
Excuses much?
Liverpool is the only team with new players? My gosh, how tough on Liverpool to have to ask a coach to add new (better) players. I keep quoting myself because last season when alyuh was beating up alyuh chest and signing praises from the high heavens I told y'all that LFC was only flattering to deceive. That the prospect of CL ball would/will bring you all back to reality.
Brendan Rogers built for 1 season and is already rebuilding? How does that work? Maybe I really do not understand football. :-\
Who's making 'excuses'?? I'm telling you that the point you think you're making about the CL having a negative effect on Liverpool's season is nonsense... that we are struggling even without the Champions League committment... and you interpret that to mean that I'm making excuses? Okay. Also, I don't recall anybody "beating up dey chest" last season... but I'm sure you could find examples.
Wait you believe that with your squad from last year you would have been fine for CL play? If not, then how could you say Scorpion's argument is tenuous? If so, then that is madness.
Is that what I said?
Post by: elan on October 01, 2014, 08:06:51 PM
Excuses much?
Liverpool is the only team with new players? My gosh, how tough on Liverpool to have to ask a coach to add new (better) players. I keep quoting myself because last season when alyuh was beating up alyuh chest and signing praises from the high heavens I told y'all that LFC was only flattering to deceive. That the prospect of CL ball would/will bring you all back to reality.
Brendan Rogers built for 1 season and is already rebuilding? How does that work? Maybe I really do not understand football. :-\
Who's making 'excuses'?? I'm telling you that the point you think you're making about the CL having a negative effect on Liverpool's season is nonsense... that we are struggling even without the Champions League committment... and you interpret that to mean that I'm making excuses? Okay. Also, I don't recall anybody "beating up dey chest" last season... but I'm sure you could find examples.Wait you believe that with your squad from last year you would have been fine for CL play? If not, then how could you say Scorpion's argument is tenuous? If so, then that is madness.
Is that what I said?
Dude, if you are saying that the added pressure of the CL for Rodgers is not a big problem then what can I say. He now have to approach EPL games with an eye on Europe and vice versa. This affects training, training intensity, squad rotation, player management, etc. This year it is much different for Rodgers than last year with the EPL alone.
We have already seen the criticism he has come in for with the management of Sterling recently.
Post by: Bakes on October 01, 2014, 08:42:45 PM
Dude, if you are saying that the added pressure of the CL for Rodgers is not a big problem then what can I say. He now have to approach EPL games with an eye on Europe and vice versa. This affects training, training intensity, squad rotation, player management, etc. This year it is much different for Rodgers than last year with the EPL alone.
We have already seen the criticism he has come in for with the management of Sterling recently.
Liverpool has played two CL games to date. The CL has had minimal if any impact on Liverpool's season. The one game it might have played a factor was the Villa game where he rested Sterling and the team hardly showed any life. Even had he started Sterling there still would not have been any guarantee that we would have played any better. The real problem was conceding an early dotish goal. Villa had 4 shots on goal all game. 3 of those shots on goal came before Agbonlahor scored in the 9'. Villa therefore had 1 shot on goal the final 81 minutes... which means that they parked the bus and sat back and absorbed pressure. Downing also bottled Gerrard in midfield to negate some of that pressure. The Champions League had minimal effect if any on that.
We just now practiced for and played our second CL game... yet according to you, that practice somehow had an impact on the 6 Premier League games we've already played. Maybe as the season wears on the CL will be more of a factor, but I'm telling you that right now that's not the case... we are struggling for other reasons which to date have had a greater impact on the PL campaign. Somehow you interpret that to mean that I'm making excuses for the poor play.
Post by: Bakes on October 01, 2014, 08:44:53 PM
Allyuh, don't forget to "blame" Mario, as I have read on some blogs.
Deeks Balotelli isn't to blame, but his play and attitude leaves a lot to be desired.
Post by: Deeks on October 01, 2014, 10:04:52 PM
Allyuh, don't forget to "blame" Mario, as I have read on some blogs.
Deeks Balotelli isn't to blame, but his play and attitude leaves a lot to be desired.
As you see, blame in quotes. But quite true Balo is 15 mins of brilliance and 75 mins of fustration.
Post by: Bakes on October 01, 2014, 10:33:26 PM
Post by: elan on October 03, 2014, 10:59:31 AM
The sulking and mirthlessness would much easier to overlook if he was playing well, which he isn't. Today he walked straight to the locker room after the match without acknowledging the traveling fans... it's the least the players could do after fans travel quite to Swizerland to watch them put down that pile. He also got himself a silly yellow for putting his hands on a player's face. That and he's clearly not in sync with the rest of the team in attack, clogging channels, not making runs, or making the wrong ones. All of that could be resolved with time, but the attitude thing is a trademark, and one he needs to lose.
Balotelli is not playing well means what exactly? That's like Rodgers saying Balotelli needs to score more goals. What does that mean? Isn't it Rodgers job to put Balotelli in the situation to score more goals? Rodgers brought Balotelli in to LFC yet he has the team organize and playing as though he still has Suarez. Is that Balotelli's fault? Balotelli should be lost in the LFC system, because they are not playing to suit Balotelli. They are playing for a Sturridge and a Suarez. That's on Brendan Rodgers, not Balotelli.
Why did Rodgers by Balotelli if he is not changing how they play.
Post by: Bakes on October 03, 2014, 02:41:01 PM
Balotelli is not playing well means what exactly? That's like Rodgers saying Balotelli needs to score more goals. What does that mean? Isn't it Rodgers job to put Balotelli in the situation to score more goals? Rodgers brought Balotelli in to LFC yet he has the team organize and playing as though he still has Suarez. Is that Balotelli's fault? Balotelli should be lost in the LFC system, because they are not playing to suit Balotelli. They are playing for a Sturridge and a Suarez. That's on Brendan Rodgers, not Balotelli.
Why did Rodgers by Balotelli if he is not changing how they play.
You on kicks. Have to be.
Post by: asylumseeker on October 03, 2014, 04:32:03 PM
Post by: Bakes on October 03, 2014, 04:47:53 PM
Post by: elan on October 03, 2014, 08:03:08 PM
What the two of you fail to appreciate is that Suarez too had to adapt his game to fit Rodgers' philosophy and not the other way around. Rodgers however, isn't so inflexible as to not look at his players and cater to their strengths. Balotelli was not brought in to be the lead striker, he was always a secondary option. It is therefore silly to suggest that Liverpool should change its playing style and philosophy to suit Balotelli's whims. The onus is on the player to adapt to the system and try and function as best he can... this was made clear in the wake of the announcement. At the end of the day, production on the field is all that matters... doesn't matter where or how you as a striker prefers to play. At the moment Balotelli isn't producing, and quite the opposite, at instances in the matches he's been a detriment to the attack. This isn't a personal attack on him, just hard facts.
Bakes you just talking for the sake of it. You all are set up and have been playing as though you have a very dynamic striker. That is not Balotelli fault. Yes, he has to adapt some, but so to the manager. You talking level shit about Balotelli whims and fancy and that you have to produce.
You really feel these things is just a vaps. Clubs go out and buy player who can fit their system and style of play. You building a boat and buying helicopter parts because it's cheap? What a laugh. You have an impotent midfield who couldn't service Kim K if they was hopped up on viagra and you want to blame Balotelli?
You have shown that you're an amateur in understanding the building of a pro team. Rodgers just buy Balotelli because he was cheap and he could not get anyone else. It shows that there was no plan beyond Suarez and Sturridge and really believe that Suarez would be back.
You buy players than can fit your vision and philosophy to lead your team. That's the earmark of any good coach.
Post by: Bakes on October 03, 2014, 10:05:22 PM
Bakes you just talking for the sake of it. You all are set up and have been playing as though you have a very dynamic striker. That is not Balotelli fault. Yes, he has to adapt some, but so to the manager. You talking level shit about Balotelli whims and fancy and that you have to produce.
You really feel these things is just a vaps. Clubs go out and buy player who can fit their system and style of play. You building a boat and buying helicopter parts because it's cheap? What a laugh. You have an impotent midfield who couldn't service Kim K if they was hopped up on viagra and you want to blame Balotelli?
You have shown that you're an amateur in understanding the building of a pro team. Rodgers just buy Balotelli because he was cheap and he could not get anyone else. It shows that there was no plan beyond Suarez and Sturridge and really believe that Suarez would be back.
You buy players than can fit your vision and philosophy to lead your team. That's the earmark of any good coach.
I will be the first to admit that I am an amateur, I have no problem with that whatsoever. Now since you say that to rubbish my opinion, remind me again of your professional experience? I mean, surely you have some, right... since you know better how to build a team than me, and Rodgers apparently. Balotelli has had problems fitting in to every system that he's played so far... every one. But somehow is Liverpool fault that they ent getting enough out of him? He actually had his best season ever last campaign for Milan, yet they made him available for a song and a prayer.
Rodgers buy Balotelli because he was cheap and available, even an amateur like me understand that, so doh feel yuh dropping nuggets on anybody. For all of your expert and professional understanding (apparently) of the game... you make the laughable suggestion that there was no plan beyond Suarez and Sturridge. Right... that is why we spend most of the January window trying to sign Mhikitaryan and most of the summer trying to sign Sanchez, Shaqiri and number of other strikers. The obvious plan was to strenghten the squad by buying quality strikers, except we didn't have deep enough pockets to compete. Fault Liverpool then for not being able to sign alternatives, but doh talk shit about there not being a plan when the plan plain as day for all to see. Oh, and rubbish what I saying about catering to Balotelli's whim all yuh want, but fair or foul that is the cloud that has dogged him his entire career. I know, I know... in your parallel universe is because he black and own way.
Post by: elan on October 04, 2014, 07:39:52 AM
Brendan Rodgers does not believe there is any quick fix for Liverpool's sluggish start to the season and has warned supporters that the "pain" may continue until he has a fully fit squad.
The departure of talisman Luis Suarez in the summer coupled with an injury to striker Daniel Sturridge has contributed to the Reds taking just seven points from their first six Premier League games this season.
A loss to FC Basel in the Champions League in midweek heaped more pressure on the situation and manager Rodgers admits he is as frustrated as anybody as he tries to bed in a raft of summer signings.
"I think the pain is for now,'' he told national newspapers. "I think it's unfortunate. It's hard for the supporters and I understand that. It must be so difficult at the moment to see a team that for 18 months has been so fluent and dynamic.
"Now they probably look and see a team with maybe no resemblance to that in many ways. I understand that and there is no-one more frustrated than myself.
"We look at our game, which is based a lot on possession, but we were also a big threat in transition when we won the ball back and we were on the break.
"We don't look a threat on the break at the moment. We could argue that we don't even play in transition. We're getting no one in behind, no one breaking lines.
"Our team dynamic was dominating the game with the ball but also without the ball and without the ball means running and getting in behind people. We've done that for 18 months. We did it at Tottenham.
"Once we lose that movement and speed of Daniel Sturridge -- and the link-up of other people within that -- it has broken the dynamic a little for us.
"We just have to persevere until I get the squad back - -until we get Emre Can back, Joe Allen, Daniel and the others. Then I think we will return to that level. In the meantime it's been hard for the supporters and I totally understand that.''
Post by: Deeks on October 04, 2014, 10:19:19 AM
Post by: Bakes on October 04, 2014, 01:48:14 PM
Good, tight game. WBA gave pool a run for their money. Despite that 'Pool found a way to win. Sterling was slightly off touch today, but he made up for it by hustle and deceptiveness. he is a gem. Llanana's had a boss goal. Sessignon and Beraninho were fantastic for WBA. Good football.
Lallana and Hendo were Men of the Match for Liverpool. Sterling needs rest in the worst way... Sturridge might be back next week, so good opportunity to turn the reigns over to Coutinho a little, maybe bring Sterling off the bench. Berahino was an absolute terror for WBA, although the ref gifted him that goal on a ghost penalty.
Post by: asylumseeker on October 05, 2014, 07:25:49 AM
But for the bite, was Suarez returning to Liverpool after the WC?
I think he would have
Cyah say that I've heard or read anything to the contrary. Certainly, the sentiment at Anfield in June was that he was expected back.
Post by: Feliziano on October 05, 2014, 08:55:41 AM
I don't think so..i had read in a couple places that when he resigned the last contract certain things had to happen for him to stay at Liverpool.But for the bite, was Suarez returning to Liverpool after the WC?
I think he would have
Cyah say that I've heard or read anything to the contrary. Certainly, the sentiment at Anfield in June was that he was expected back.
He knew he woulda been sold on the cheap if he was 'stained'...hence the bite at the WC.
Post by: asylumseeker on October 06, 2014, 02:33:17 AM
....
I don't think so..i had read in a couple places that when he resigned the last contract certain things had to happen for him to stay at Liverpool.
He knew he woulda been sold on the cheap if he was 'stained'...hence the bite at the WC.
Because he knew that a 3rd documented incident would keep him in the WC, yet achieve other personal ambitions and commercial interests?
By the way, it doesn't seem that he was sold cheaply ...
Post by: Tenorsaw on October 06, 2014, 08:33:59 AM
Good, tight game. WBA gave pool a run for their money. Despite that 'Pool found a way to win. Sterling was slightly off touch today, but he made up for it by hustle and deceptiveness. he is a gem. Llanana's had a boss goal. Sessignon and Beraninho were fantastic for WBA. Good football.
Lallana and Hendo were Men of the Match for Liverpool. Sterling needs rest in the worst way... Sturridge might be back next week, so good opportunity to turn the reigns over to Coutinho a little, maybe bring Sterling off the bench. Berahino was an absolute terror for WBA, although the ref gifted him that goal on a ghost penalty.
Been watching this youth since last season. He will be snapped up by a bigger club soon. Surprised that with the dearth of top-class strikers for England, that he hasn't yet received a senior team call-up.
Post by: Bakes on October 06, 2014, 11:40:09 AM
Been watching this youth since last season. He will be snapped up by a bigger club soon. Surprised that with the dearth of top-class strikers for England, that he hasn't yet received a senior team call-up.
Four goals from only 12 shots on target coming into the weekend... not a bad conversion rate for a young striker. If a team doesn't move for him in January, they will next summer. I think some want to make sure he's no flash in the pan given the meteoric rise.
Post by: Tenorsaw on October 06, 2014, 11:41:41 AM
Post by: Bakes on October 22, 2014, 02:54:29 PM
Well... not exactly, but I prefer that storyline.
Post by: Toppa on October 22, 2014, 05:33:09 PM
Brilliant performance by Liverpool... everything but the win unfortunately. Match was in the balance until the ref decide tuh cheat fuh Madrid.
Well... not exactly, but I prefer that storyline.
:rotfl:
Or hor! Yuh lucky ah see that last part!
Post by: Bakes on October 22, 2014, 06:11:41 PM
:rotfl:
Or hor! Yuh lucky ah see that last part!
Doh laugh at man pain :-[
Post by: Toppa on October 22, 2014, 06:32:01 PM
:rotfl:
Or hor! Yuh lucky ah see that last part!
Doh laugh at man pain :-[
Sorry, sorry. :)
Post by: Deeks on October 29, 2014, 04:54:45 PM
Mario Balotelli overcame an injury sustained in the pre-match warm-up to help Liverpool reach the League Cup last eight, Reds assistant boss Colin Pascoe revealed.
The striker came off the bench to guide in an equaliser before Dejan Lovren's header clinched a 2-1 win over Swansea.
"He twisted his studs in the ground and he was sent to see the physio to see if he was all right or not," said Pascoe.
"He felt something in his knee, but he came on and his knee looked all right."
Italy international Balotelli has faced criticism for both his attitude and goalscoring record since arriving from AC Milan in August.
The 24-year-old was dropped to the bench as Liverpool boss Brendan Rodgers made nine changes to the side which started Saturday's Premier League draw against Hull.
But he responded by inspiring a dramatic Anfield comeback after he was introduced with little over 10 minutes remaining.
Put to him after the game that Balotelli would now be making headlines for good reasons, Pascoe added: "Of course. That is Mario.
"He is working hard in training and he got his just rewards coming on and getting the goal."
Swansea led through Marvin Emnes' second-half volley until Balotelli turned in Fabio Borini's cross, seven minutes after coming on, to equalise.
And the goal proved pivotal as Reds centre-back Lovren nodded in an injury-time winner after Swans defender Federico Fernandez had been sent off.
Pascoe added: "We had to assess Mario, but he's fine. It was just a precaution. But the way he was moving about, I don't think there was much wrong with his knee."
Post by: Deeks on October 29, 2014, 04:59:44 PM
Bournemouth vs Liverpool in the 1/4 final.
Championship side Bournemouth will play Liverpool in the quarter-finals of the Capital One Cup.
The south coast side have never featured in the last eight and will now host eight-time winners Liverpool at the Goldsands Stadium.
Derby have a home tie against Premier League leaders Chelsea, while League One Sheffield United welcome high-flying Southampton.
Newcastle, who knocked out holders Manchester City, travel to Tottenham.
Full quarter-final draw:
Derby v Chelsea
Tottenham v Newcastle
Bournemouth v Liverpool
Sheffield United v Southampton
Post by: Bakes on October 29, 2014, 08:45:19 PM
Post by: elan on November 04, 2014, 01:02:26 PM
Post by: Bakes on November 04, 2014, 01:05:48 PM
This dude needs to be fired. I think the pressure is getting to him. This season is proving to much to handle.
Liverpool are 6 points back of where we were at the same point last season. Keep calm and worry about your own team :cheers:
Post by: Bakes on November 04, 2014, 02:45:49 PM
Post by: elan on November 04, 2014, 04:03:58 PM
Post by: Bakes on November 04, 2014, 10:40:08 PM
Kolo Toure = Class
Have to agree. With age has come inconsistency, but he had a really good game today, and I think he might have showed Rodgers a thing or two. That being said, I still faulting him for losing track of Benzema on the goal.
Post by: Bitter on November 08, 2014, 06:42:12 AM
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Post by: Bakes on November 08, 2014, 07:53:19 AM
Like I said.
I think you actually need the lead before yuh start talking shit.
Post by: Bitter on November 08, 2014, 08:08:59 AM
Like I said.
I think you actually need the lead before yuh start talking shit.
How about now?
Post by: Bakes on November 08, 2014, 08:34:35 AM
How about now?
Gary Cahill has more saves than your keeper.
Post by: Bitter on November 08, 2014, 08:39:01 AM
How about now?
Gary Cahill has more saves than your keeper.
he score more goals than your team too.
Post by: Bakes on November 09, 2014, 12:38:39 PM
he score more goals than your team too.
Crow now... from the Rob Style phantom penalty, to Eto'o tripping Suarez in the box at Stamford Bridge, to Cahill clear diving and blocking a shot with his forearm, intentional or not in the area... Chelsea keeps getting the benefit of the doubt when it comes to penalty calls against Liverpool. On balance allyuh deserved to win, but doh act like it was some kinda beatdown.
Post by: Spursy on December 21, 2014, 01:48:26 PM
Martin Skrtel powered home a header deep into stoppage time to earn 10-man Liverpool a 2-2 draw against Arsenal in the Premier League on Sunday.
A week after failing to take a host of chances in the defeat at Manchester United it seemed a pattern was emerging after Arsenal recovered from Philippe Coutinho's opener to lead with goals from Mathieu Debuchy and Olivier Giroud. The dismissal of substitute Fabio Borini in the second of nine minutes of stoppage time - directly as a result of a head injury to Skrtel - appeared to have put paid to the Reds' chances only for the Slovakia international to power home a header, thus forcing a draw.
It was celebrated like a winner and who knows how pivotal a goal it may turn out to be in the context of a season in which inconsistency has been the only consistent factor for the Merseysiders. Arsenal can realistically have few complaints having been completely outplayed in the first half and some of the second but the point undoubtedly meant much more to their visitors, who have now strung together three decent performances in a week.
It may not have been the devastating first 20 minutes seen on this ground back in March when a stunned Gunners found themselves 4-0 down but the first half was probably as well as Liverpool had played all season. The old fast-paced pressing and tempo had returned led by the unlikely figures of Lazar Markovic and Coutinho, who aside from snapping at the heels of their opponents were providing a much-needed injection of attacking thrust, with the latter an early free-kick which Steven Gerrard could not capitalise from.
Adam Lallana, whose movement was cleverly providing the link between midfield and attack, and Markovic both had chances as Liverpool's dominance of possession continued to produce opportunities but the former fired over and Wojciech Szczesny denied the latter. Some of the pre-match billing had centred around comparisons between Alexis Sanchez, the striker Liverpool wanted as a Luis Suarez replacement in the summer, and Raheem Sterling, the man currently being asked to deputise in the injured Daniel Sturridge's absence, but neither had much impact in the first half.
The threat of Sterling's pace kept the visitors' defence on their toes but he had only one real run at them which teed up Markovic to curl over with a first-time shot. Sanchez, scorer of 14 goals this season, was virtually anonymous but his most significant contribution came when he won and then took the free-kick which led to Arsenal's equaliser with virtually the last touch of the half.
Liverpool had just gone ahead through Coutinho's second goal of the season, a richly-deserved effort for both the team and individual. Giroud gave the ball away to Jordan Henderson who picked out his Brazilian team-mate on the edge of the area and he shifted the ball onto his right foot before firing in off the far post.
That appeared to be that but in added time Debuchy outjumped Skrtel after Mertesacker and Mathieu Flamini, fortunate not to escape a second yellow card for catching Lallana in the face, both won headers from Sanchez's free-kick. The delay for a nasty cut to Skrtel's head caused by the accidental boot of Giroud affected the flow of play early in the second half but the pace picked up again when Szczesny's ill-advised charge out of goal saw Sterling cross for Gerrard to loop over a diving header.
But while Liverpool were missing their chances there was nothing wrong with Arsenal's cutting edge and from a counter-attack down their left Giroud exchanged passes with Santi Cazorla to guide a first-time shot through the legs of Brad Jones. Two efforts on target, two goals scored. It appeared to be a classic snatch-and-grab from Arsenal. When Szczesny tipped over substitute Fabio Borini's header and turned aside Sterling's shot it only further highlighted the host's previous issues up front.
Borini's second yellow card for a high challenge on Cazorla, having already been booked for throwing the ball away, just added further insult. But with two minutes of the additional time remaining Skrtel powered home Lallana's corner.
http://www.foxsports.com/soccer/story/liverpool-earn-dramatic-point-arsenal-behind-martin-skrtel-late-header-match-report-122114 (http://www.foxsports.com/soccer/story/liverpool-earn-dramatic-point-arsenal-behind-martin-skrtel-late-header-match-report-122114)
Post by: Bakes on January 04, 2015, 01:18:26 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/ff-bN1xDPas
YNWA :beermug:
Post by: elan on February 19, 2015, 08:27:56 PM
Post by: Bakes on February 19, 2015, 09:51:51 PM
Poor comment from Gerard. :yellowcard:
Premature statement on your part... probably best to read/hear the quote in context rather than making a meal out of nothing. This entire controversy is a tempest in a teapot and Rodgers was right to treat it as such. Balotelli is the best penalty taker on the team, probably second only to Gerrard. If Gerrard's not on the pitch then Balotelli kicks ten times out of ten. End of.
Post by: elan on February 19, 2015, 10:10:11 PM
Poor comment from Gerard. :yellowcard:
Premature statement on your part... probably best to read/hear the quote in context rather than making a meal out of nothing. This entire controversy is a tempest in a teapot and Rodgers was right to treat it as such. Balotelli is the best penalty taker on the team, probably second only to Gerrard. If Gerrard's not on the pitch then Balotelli kicks ten times out of ten. End of.
Premature statement on my part ??? Well I saw the interview and read the staement. What more context is there?
Post by: Bakes on February 20, 2015, 09:18:02 AM
Post by: Deeks on February 20, 2015, 09:41:35 AM
Post by: Bakes on February 20, 2015, 10:55:15 AM
There are two sides to the coin here. One side shows that Mario is damn confident when comes to taking pks. Give me, I'll take. The other side is following tradition. Don't step out of place. Have manners. You will take the pk when the captain beacons. But Mario don't play by those rules. What if Henderson had told Mario to go ahead take the pk, and Mario had said, nah you take it, I not ready yet. The pundits would have said Mario is not the right person for 'Pool. He can't be depended on.
You have to do what's in the best interest of the team... every captain should put that first. Balotelli is 27 of 29 in his career and second to only Gerrard in the pecking order at Liverpool. As long as he's on the pitch then he takes the penalty. Henderson's record as a penalty kick taker is... ? Exactly.
Having seen the video of Gerrard's comments and having read Rodgers' comments on the issue (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCMQqQIwAg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.espnfc.com%2Fliverpool%2Fstory%2F2308295%2Fbrendan-rodgers-backs-mario-balotelli-over-penalty-furore&ei=LWfnVN-xDISlgwTU_4LQCQ&usg=AFQjCNEYdEhRwfFdhoxBGqtWnZiMTmTgwQ&sig2=xXXq_kDPmEKm3O_9Ljz-Fw&bvm=bv.86475890,d.eXY), Gerrard was clearly out of order for weighing in with criticism.
Post by: Deeks on February 22, 2015, 10:21:32 AM
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Post by: Bakes on March 01, 2015, 07:58:21 AM
Wow!
https://www.youtube.com/v/BSepnu2to9M
Post by: Tenorsaw on March 17, 2015, 01:14:54 AM
Post by: Tenorsaw on March 17, 2015, 01:15:41 AM
Post by: Bakes on March 17, 2015, 10:51:37 AM
We rolling! Ironically, it's good D and great GKing that won us the three points versus a spirited Swansea. Sunday will be key to a top-4 finish.
Big match on Sunday, engine humming nicely. We haven't lost and we haven't conceded an away goal since that loss to United back in December, so there should be enough motivation for us to get some revenge and keep the streaks going.
Post by: asylumseeker on March 17, 2015, 01:21:24 PM
Post by: Bakes on March 17, 2015, 01:29:52 PM
Two words: lucky bastards. Make that four: unfortunate Swansea.
Everybody lucky at one point or another... Liverpool also had a shot clip the upright in extra time.
Post by: elan on March 17, 2015, 01:30:35 PM
Post by: Tenorsaw on March 17, 2015, 01:34:45 PM
Two words: lucky bastards. Make that four: unfortunate Swansea.Luck is when preparation meets opportunity. That's why we have a GK to bail us out. Swansea didn't score - bottom line! Brendan Rodgers showed his tactical acuteness and switched things up at half time, and we controlled the 2nd half.
Post by: Tenorsaw on March 17, 2015, 01:36:15 PM
Is Can listed as a defender or an enforcer.
Really talented player. Let him carry on...
Post by: asylumseeker on March 17, 2015, 06:10:22 PM
Two words: lucky bastards. Make that four: unfortunate Swansea.Luck is when preparation meets opportunity. That's why we have a GK to bail us out. Swansea didn't score - bottom line! Brendan Rodgers showed his tactical acuteness and switched things up at half time, and we controlled the 2nd half.
Re: the second half and Rodgers
What tactical nous was necessary? :) Liverpool was oscillating between playing tata and not playing at all. Swansea with WB not transferred to Man City would have had allyuh purged.
Post by: Tenorsaw on March 17, 2015, 06:15:55 PM
Bottom line: Liverpool found a way to win, when they were not at their best. That's what good teams do.Two words: lucky bastards. Make that four: unfortunate Swansea.Luck is when preparation meets opportunity. That's why we have a GK to bail us out. Swansea didn't score - bottom line! Brendan Rodgers showed his tactical acuteness and switched things up at half time, and we controlled the 2nd half.
Re: the second half and Rodgers
What tactical nous was necessary? :) Liverpool was oscillating between playing tata and not playing at all. Swansea with WB not transferred to Man City would have had allyuh purged.
Post by: asylumseeker on March 21, 2015, 05:26:28 AM
Bottom line: Liverpool found a way to win, when they were not at their best. That's what good teams do.Two words: lucky bastards. Make that four: unfortunate Swansea.Luck is when preparation meets opportunity. That's why we have a GK to bail us out. Swansea didn't score - bottom line! Brendan Rodgers showed his tactical acuteness and switched things up at half time, and we controlled the 2nd half.
Re: the second half and Rodgers
What tactical nous was necessary? :) Liverpool was oscillating between playing tata and not playing at all. Swansea with WB not transferred to Man City would have had allyuh purged.
Better stated: Swansea found a way to lose ...?
Post by: Tenorsaw on March 21, 2015, 01:44:04 PM
Post by: asylumseeker on March 21, 2015, 04:40:32 PM
You obviously ant-Liverpool, so go on.
Actually, not. Just an overstatement to state that Liverpool found a way to win.
Swansea is a team I have enjoyed watching this season. I've found them to possess balanced qualities that inure to entertaining football. This match was the first match I've seen of them since Boney's departure. For my money, Liverpool wasn't convincing when they should have been, and as much as we both like Rodgers, tactically he got it wrong when he should have been assertive, positive and more enterprising in the first half. Even with Swansea's solid rendition, it was clear that a better applied Liverpool would walk away with the points.
I believe somewhere in this thread I mention having a renovated respect for Liverpool after a recent visit. I'm just less empassioned than a fan.
Post by: Bakes on March 21, 2015, 05:23:22 PM
Actually, not. Just an overstatement to state that Liverpool found a way to win.
Swansea is a team I have enjoyed watching this season. I've found them to possess balanced qualities that inure to entertaining football. This match was the first match I've seen of them since Boney's departure. For my money, Liverpool wasn't convincing when they should have been, and as much as we both like Rodgers, tactically he got it wrong when he should have been assertive, positive and more enterprising in the first half. Even with Swansea's solid rendition, it was clear that a better applied Liverpool would walk away with the points.
I believe somewhere in this thread I mention having a renovated respect for Liverpool after a recent visit. I'm just less empassioned than a fan.
I have so far abstained, but the pushback to your criticism has less to do with 'passion' or fan affiliation, and more to do with the inaccuracy of your critique. Liverpool's first half failures had less to do with the team not being "assertive, positive and more enterprising" and more to do with the fact that Swansea had the tactical advantage in midfield due to the way Liverpool was set up. We came out in a 3-4-2-1 formation with Sterling and Coutinho behind Sturridge up top. As a result we were having problems linking the play from midfield to the frontling.
At the half Rodgers swapped Lallana and Sterling, putting the quicker Sterling on the right wing so that his pace and movement could further distress Swansea's backline. The key to making it work was Lallana dropping to the middle to help link the attack. Preoccupation with Sterling gave him more room to work just inside the swansea half. So full credit to Swansea for seizing the initiative at the start of the game, but full credit to Rodgers for finding a tweak (as he usually does) to effect a turn around after the half.
Post by: Tenorsaw on March 21, 2015, 07:47:03 PM
Post by: asylumseeker on March 21, 2015, 11:22:40 PM
Secondarily, it was obvious what needed to be accomplished by Liverpool in the second half. Hence, in my book, Rodgers receives no particular credit for doing what was eminently needed after having adopted a tactical posture that he need not have employed versus Swansea. It's not the first time that Rodgers has lacked the balls to take the fight to the opponent. He accorded this opponent way more respect than was necessary to achieve the result, and, in the view of some, he did so respectful of his legacy at Swansea.
Post by: Bakes on March 22, 2015, 02:04:50 AM
Post by: Bitter on March 22, 2015, 08:34:14 AM
Post by: elan on March 22, 2015, 08:40:38 AM
As I type Sterling had his 1st cross in the 53' of the game.
Post by: elan on March 22, 2015, 08:43:57 AM
Post by: Deeks on March 22, 2015, 08:54:55 AM
Post by: Deeks on March 22, 2015, 08:56:17 AM
Post by: Bitter on March 22, 2015, 09:20:00 AM
No! Mignolet saves!
Post by: elan on March 22, 2015, 09:21:48 AM
Post by: Deeks on March 22, 2015, 09:24:41 AM
Post by: elan on March 22, 2015, 09:27:18 AM
Post by: Banter Banton on March 22, 2015, 09:58:30 AM
Post by: Bakes on March 22, 2015, 12:56:13 PM
Post by: Bitter on April 04, 2015, 07:25:57 AM
Who is Liverpool going to play in defense in the next match?
Post by: Bakes on April 04, 2015, 08:27:48 AM
Stupid tackle by Can. Ok, you might have lost this game, but now that's a 3rd red card in 2 games.
Who is Liverpool going to play in defense in the next match?
It seems his left (plant leg) slipped from under him... at least that is what he and Henderson were arguing. We suffered in defense today, Moreno, yet again, proved to be a liability. His mistakes against City (first game), United, and now this game, really galling. Forget top 4, Liverpool will be lucky to finish 6th at this pace.
Post by: Bitter on April 04, 2015, 09:07:56 AM
Stupid tackle by Can. Ok, you might have lost this game, but now that's a 3rd red card in 2 games.
Who is Liverpool going to play in defense in the next match?
It seems his left (plant leg) slipped from under him... at least that is what he and Henderson were arguing. We suffered in defense today, Moreno, yet again, proved to be a liability. His mistakes against City (first game), United, and now this game, really galling. Forget top 4, Liverpool will be lucky to finish 6th at this pace.
It was interesting that Rogers brought on Sturridge instead of Balo. You could see that Sturridge was off the pace. Arsenal is the type of squad that lets a Balo type bully them into giving up a goal.
Post by: Bakes on April 04, 2015, 09:14:49 AM
Post by: Bitter on April 04, 2015, 12:18:31 PM
Post by: elan on April 19, 2015, 10:09:14 AM
Better work hard to win the league this season as next year will present Liverpool with the added challenge of playing both domestic and European football, something they did not have to contend with this season.
Post by: Bakes on April 19, 2015, 10:23:46 AM
Better work hard to win the league this season as next year will present Liverpool with the added challenge of playing both domestic and European football, something they did not have to contend with this season.
The European competitions had a neglible impact on Liverpool's performances this season. Liverpool's performances had a negligible impact on the European competitions this season.
A lot of other factors, not the least of which being injuries and a failure to make up for the loss of Suarez, were more of an issue, but all in all this is where we realistically should be. Hopefully we can catch City for fourth.
Post by: grimm01 on April 19, 2015, 04:00:10 PM
Post by: Bakes on April 19, 2015, 06:23:48 PM
For the Liverpool fans, what are your thoughts on Balotelli's underwhelming season? Is it his bad attitude, the outcome of bad man management or him being a bad fit for BR's system(s)? All of the above or something else?
I honestly don't think his attitude has been an issue... he ruled himself out of the Arsenal match last weekend and the British press tried to make a meal of that. Later he posted a picture of himself with a thermometer showing a high reading, indicating that he was legitimately sick. Other than that, from all accounts he's been a model team player. I think it's a matter of 'fit' more than anything. He hasn't played enough to get in sync with his team mates, either that or he's struggled to grasp the nuances of the attack. Arguably Rodgers could have used him more to better acclimatize him... but at the expense of which attacking player?
Post by: elan on April 28, 2015, 02:53:15 PM
Post by: elan on May 10, 2015, 10:52:51 AM
Post by: elan on May 16, 2015, 12:34:47 PM
You have a player in Balotelli at our disposal and cannot find a way to make him successful? Look at how Puncheon was used against Liverpool today. That is something that Balotelli could have given to Liverpool. You must have a different way to play when other teams have figured out what you are doing day in day out.
Liverpool needed a target player to play off and to cause the defense to have some work to do. For to ong the opponent defense had to much time to decide who to pick up because they had "no one" t o mark or worry about centrally. This allowed them to shift side to side easily, picking up Sterling and neutralizing him.
Rodgers need a Championship team to re/evaluate hit methods and approach.
Post by: Banter Banton on May 16, 2015, 12:37:33 PM
Post by: Bakes on May 16, 2015, 09:44:30 PM
Post by: elan on May 24, 2015, 11:39:08 AM
Post by: Peong on May 24, 2015, 05:52:03 PM
Post by: Bakes on May 24, 2015, 07:29:20 PM
This year's laughing stock.
Absolutely... so it goes.
Post by: grimm01 on May 24, 2015, 10:17:02 PM
If FSG have big reservations about Rodgers, they should go ahead and cut him now. It doesn't make sense to have him involved in transfers and prep for next season if they plan to axe him at the first signs of a run of bad form.
Post by: Bakes on May 25, 2015, 12:33:00 PM
What a performance today, a fitting end to a season that seemed to completely implode towards the end. Has Brendan lost the dressing room? The players didn't look like they could be bothered.
If FSG have big reservations about Rodgers, they should go ahead and cut him now. It doesn't make sense to have him involved in transfers and prep for next season if they plan to axe him at the first signs of a run of bad form.
Some are speculating that he has in fact lost the locker room, but I'm not sure... the players certainly seem to be standing behind him. The loss of form also coincided with the distraction from Sterling's contract negotiations. Who knows how much that had a role as well. Agreed that if they're going to terminate him then they need to do that asap.
Post by: asylumseeker on June 14, 2015, 10:36:50 AM
Dudek, McAteer, Carragher, Kvarrme, Harkness, Luis Garcia, McManaman, Berger, Fowler, Owen, Kewell
Post by: asylumseeker on June 14, 2015, 01:16:38 PM
Ben Grounds (Daily Mail).
Real Madrid Legends came from 2-0 down to beat Liverpool Legends 4-2 at the Santiago Bernabeu on Sunday evening.
Headers from former Reds Harry Kewell and Michael Owen had given the Merseysiders a commanding lead midway through the first-half.
Roberto Carlos' penalty halved the arrears before half-time, and after the Brazilian had repeated the feat, Jose Amavisca completed Madrid's comeback with 22 minutes remaining, before Ivan Perez capped the turnaround with a late fourth for the Spanish giants.
With the proceeds of the charity match going towards Spanish Red Cross, 60,000 supporters were in attendance at the Santiago Bernabeu to watch the cream of Liverpool and Real Madrid's past clash in the Spanish capital.
The match itself, which was branded in the Spanish press as being a 'game of 15 European Cups', did not disappoint, with the guile and flair of Zinedine Zidane at the heart of the home side's best attacking combinations from the off.
Madrid had the game's first chance when they were rewarded a free-kick 30 yards from goal after Jamie Carragher cynically blocked Claude Makelele off the ball. Carlos stepped up but the iconic left back blazed his effort over the bar.
Kewell was looking the visitors' most dangerous outlet, and after nearly setting up Luis Garcia for the game's opening goal, the Australian duly took the honours himself, as he met Jason McAteer's cross with a firm header at the far post after 18 minutes.
Within three minutes, the Reds had doubled their advantage as former Liverpool and Madrid striker Owen nodded home another McAteer centre from eight yards out.
Robbie Fowler really ought to have added a third for Ian Rush's side moments later, but the 40-year-old's 25-yard free-kick cannoned back off the post with Madrid's legendary goalkeeper Francisco Buyo stranded.
Liverpool were carving up Real at will at that stage, with a neat interchange enabling Owen through on goal but the 57-year-old Buyo produced a double save, denying Garcia at the second attempt.
Real then came close to reducing the scoreline with a sumptuous goal.
Salgado, Zidane and Clarence Seedorf all combined brilliantly to find the galloping Carlos down the left-hand side of the box, but after the Brazilian managed to clip the ball into the far post, Salgado's thunderous volley crashed against the post with Jerzy Dudek beaten.
But Madrid were finally on the score sheet with three minutes of the first-half remaining as they were awarded a penalty after Sportsmail's Carragher, who had been enjoying a few drinks at the pre-match meal the night before, was adjudged to have blocked Zidane's header with his hands.
The impressive Carlos thumped in the spot-kick to halve Liverpool's lead heading into the break.
A number of changes at the interval saw Abel Xavier, Stephane Henchoz, Rob Jones and Vladimir Smicer emerge from the bench with Fernando Morientes swapping shirts with Owen, having also played for both clubs during his illustrious career.
Five minutes into the re-start, Madrid were level when Carlos dispatched his second penalty of the evening, after Carragher was harshly adjudged to handled in the area for a second time.
Indeed, the pattern in the early stages of the second 45 minutes was in stark contrast to the dominance Liverpool had enjoyed at the beginning, as a re-energised Madrid launched attack after attack on the Liverpool goal.
Salgado again came close to nudging Madrid in front when he met the cross of Steve McManaman - who turned out for the home side in the second-half - but his driving effort fizzed just wide of the post.
As the pace of the game gradually decelerated, Madrid substitute Amavisca provided the home side with the lead for the first time, as the 43-year-old left-winger turned inside Xavier before firing a reverse shot into Sander Westerveld's near post.
Liverpool had the chance to level with 14 minutes remaining, but Garcia's blazed his effort over from close range after being put through.
It would prove a costly miss, as in the 83rd minute, Perez bundled home from close range to kill off the visitors, despite replays showing the 39-year-old forward was clearly offside.
MATCH FACTS
Real Madrid Legends XI: Buyo, Salgado, Carlos, Sanchis, Zidane, Morientes, Seedorf, Karembeu, Sanz, Solari, Makelele.
Subs: Contreras, Rojas, Garcia Cortes, Pavon, Sabido, Congo, Butragueno, Perez, Velasco, Amavisca.
Goals: Carlos 43 pen, 52 pen, Amavisca 68, Perez 83
Liverpool Legends XI: Dudek; McAteer, Carragher, Kvarme, Harkness; Garcia, McNanaman, Berger; Fowler; Owen, Kewell.
Subs: Westerveld, Jones, Thompson, Xavier, Smicer, Diao, Henchoz, Rush, Partridge.
Goals: Kewell 18, Owen 21
Post by: Deeks on July 01, 2015, 03:52:11 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2477275-nathaniel-clyne-to-liverpool-latest-transfer-details-reaction-and-more
Post by: Bakes on July 01, 2015, 04:57:06 PM
Nathaniel Clyne to Liverpool.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2477275-nathaniel-clyne-to-liverpool-latest-transfer-details-reaction-and-more
Good signing... £12.5m spent on Clyne. No word yet on how much the hairdresser cost.
Post by: Deeks on July 01, 2015, 05:15:13 PM
Post by: asylumseeker on July 14, 2015, 06:38:54 AM
Get updates here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/11738366/Liverpool-vs-Thailand-All-Stars-pre-season-friendly-live.html
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Post by: asylumseeker on January 09, 2016, 01:16:34 PM
'We wouldn't do it with race horses, so why do it with players?': Henry Winter is in agreement with Jurgen Klopp and believes the Premier League should have a winter break after watching key Liverpool players go off injured in a 1-0 win at Stoke.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dnyyj
Post by: asylumseeker on January 09, 2016, 01:18:56 PM
'I can't believe we have to play another game': League Two Exeter earn a money-spinning replay at Anfield after holding Liverpool to a 2-2 draw in the FA Cup third round, but it's another fixture Jurgen Klopp could do without.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dz290
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Post by: Flex on March 25, 2020, 12:41:32 PM
ESPN
Former Manchester United defender Rio Ferdinand has said the Premier League season should be voided, which would mean Liverpool's 30-year wait for the trophy would continue.
Professional football in England is on hold, while sports across the world have been suspended following the outbreak of the coronavirus.
No Premier League football will take place before April 30 at the earliest, while Euro 2020 has been postponed for a year. The Champions League and Europa League finals have been suspended indefinitely.
Liverpool are 25 points clear at the top of the Premier League but Ferdinand, who won six league titles during 12 years at United, said: "I just think the Premier League should be void. Void it.
"I know there's going to be a lot of Liverpool fans going: 'oh, Rio, just because you used to play for Man United.'
"I just don't see a way that can be done where health isn't compromised. Simple as that. All this behind closed doors business -- you're still going to have players there, are the players not part of society?
"There are players who are going to go down with the illness who might not have recovered, or catch it from someone then it spreads to other players. It won't be fair, it's not a level playing field. I just don't feel it's right."
The Premier League match between Manchester City and Arsenal was the first Premier League game to be postponed. After Arsenal coach Mikel Arteta and Chelsea's Callum Hudson-Odoi confirmed they tested positive for the coronavirus, the Premier League called an emergency meeting where it was decided that play should be suspended.
Arteta is recovering well, while all Premier League clubs are not training at present. England's football authorities will delay the start of the 2020-21 season until the last ball has been kicked in the 2019-20 campaign, with sources telling ESPN that this year's Premier League and EFL seasons will "absolutely finish before the next one begins."
Ferdinand, speaking on Instagram, added: "There are going to be people in the stadium, security, it puts everyone at risk.
"All this, 'oh we're going to win this' or 'so-and-so might go down,' you've got to put those type of things to one side.
"This is about life and death situations, about society in the wider grand scheme of things. Football it ain't that serious in that sense.
"Listen, we all love it but it ain't life or death, when it comes to matters like this, you've got to put people's heath before anything."
Post by: Flex on June 25, 2020, 04:45:55 PM
By Tom Hamilton
Senior Writer
Liverpool have ended their 30-year wait for a topflight title after being crowned Premier League champions following Manchester City's 2-1 loss at Chelsea on Thursday.
Jurgen Klopp's side defeated Crystal Palace 4-0 on Wednesday evening to leave them needing just two points from their remaining seven games to win the title. But with second-placed Manchester City now 23 points behind with seven matches remaining after Thursday's result at Stamford Bridge, Liverpool have an unassailable lead at the top of the standings.
The triumph brings to an end a 30-year drought as Klopp's class of 2020 ended their wait for a topflight title that stretched back to 1990, when Kenny Dalglish's side won the old Football League championship. This season's feat means Liverpool now have 19 titles to their name, one behind Manchester United, who sit on 20.
"I have no words. It's unbelievable," Klopp told Sky Sports in an interview after the Chelsea win. "It's much more than I ever thought, to become champions with this outstanding club is unbelievable."
Liverpool broke all sorts of records during a memorable campaign. They put together a record-equaling run of 18 consecutive wins from October through to Feb. 29 and have won every league match at home this season, making it a record 23 on the bounce. They also set a club record of 44 matches without defeat, stretching back to last season.
"It's an incredible achievement for my players," Klopp said.
The long wait has set off celebrations all throughout the football-mad city. And Klopp said the feeling of being a champion with the Reds was indescribable.
"It's the best thing I could ever imagine and it's more than I ever dreamed of," he said.
Liverpool's principal owner, John W Henry, paid tribute to the team's "magnificent achievement" on social media.
"'This was a season for the ages and for the faithful of Liverpool Football Club," Henry, who is head of Fenway Sports Group, tweeted.
"'It has been an incredible year of magnificent achievement culminating tonight in capturing the Premier League title.
"'This in addition to winning a European championship, a Super Cup and a world championship -- the totality of this accomplishment has brought respite and joy to so many in a year filled with so much tragedy.
"'LFC has made the beautiful game more beautiful than ever.
"It is said, 'We are Liverpool'. You, the supporters are Liverpool in every sense and you continue to drive the club forward -- a historic club making history once again."
When football was postponed due to the coronavirus, there were times Klopp feared his Liverpool side would be denied the chance to win the title on the pitch. When the league was suspended in March, Liverpool were 25 points clear at the top.
Discussions followed on how best to restart the league. Klopp admitted before their match against Everton last Sunday that he was worried the league would be decided by points per game or even voided. But to Klopp's relief, the league restarted on June 17 and since then Liverpool have drawn with Merseyside rivals Everton 0-0 and swiped aside Palace to get over the finishing line.
Klopp joins Bob Paisley, Kenny Dalglish and Bill Shankly in Liverpool's pantheon of managerial greats in winning a league title, with Jordan Henderson, who spearheaded the Players Together Initiative during lockdown to raise essential funds for the National Health Service (NHS), now a Premier League-winning captain.
Manchester City did their best to pin back Liverpool's lead throughout the season, but there was no stopping Klopp's runaway side. They have led the standings since the second week of the season, and suffered their first Premier League defeat only in February, with a surprise 3-0 loss against Watford.
Guardiola paid tribute to Liverpool after his side's loss.
"Big congratulations for Liverpool," said the Spaniard, whose title-winning side finished 25 points ahead of Klopp's team two seasons ago and pipped them by a point last term.
"After 30 years without the title they played every game this season like it was their last with incredible focus. We were not consistent enough," he added.
A slightly dodgy spell of form followed as Liverpool were knocked out of the FA Cup and the Champions League, but the season hiatus allowed star goalkeeper Alisson to return to full fitness and prompted Liverpool to shift back into familiar winning ways.
Klopp said midweek that it was "unthinkable" that any team would be 20 points ahead of Manchester City -- meaning his team "must've done a couple of things really well and right" -- but the result at Stamford Bridge on Thursday will spark joy throughout Liverpool. In the 30-year drought Liverpool won the 2005 and 2019 Champions Leagues and three FA Cups, but the league triumph sees them return to the summit of English football.
It has been a fantastic campaign, with Mohamed Salah and Sadio Mane chipping in with 17 and 15 league goals, respectively. The full-backs Trent Alexander-Arnold and Andy Robertson have 20 assists between them, while that lethal front three of Salah, Mane and Roberto Firmino chipped in with a further 21 assists. Alisson has the most clean sheets in the Premier League this term with 12, while Klopp has won five of the seven Manager of the Month awards.
It has been a tale of domination, but they will have to wait to celebrate it with their fans with the Premier League season being played out behind closed doors.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbYs6_IWoAEVGP0?format=jpg&name=small)
Post by: Deeks on June 26, 2020, 05:03:40 AM
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Bakes, if You still ALIVE. I go take a drink with You on this one
Post by: Bakes on June 26, 2020, 07:41:21 PM
Post by: asylumseeker on June 26, 2020, 09:37:34 PM
Like all de Liverpool fans drunk or still celebrating 😁
Congratulations and good on you for poking yuh head round de door. What a year to break the curse.
Post by: Bakes on June 29, 2020, 01:18:37 AM
Like all de Liverpool fans drunk or still celebrating 😁
Congratulations and good on you for poking yuh head round de door. What a year to break the curse.
As good a year as any to send Pep into another sabbatical :wavetowel:
Post by: Flex on August 17, 2020, 12:12:51 PM
(YahooNews).
Jurgen Klopp has revealed that he will take a year off from coaching once his contract at Liverpool expires in the summer of 2024.
The German tactician has committed his immediate future to the reigning Premier League champions. By the time his current terms come to a close, he will have spent almost a decade in the Anfield dugout.
Klopp has already stated on a regular basis that he will sever ties with the Reds at that point, with his plan being to deliver more major silverware before eventually walking away.
It could be that the Liverpool job is his last, with his options set to be carefully weighed up when taking a sabbatical.
Quizzed on his future plans by Sport Buzzer, Klopp said: “I'll take a year off and ask myself if I miss football. If I say no, then that will be the end of coach Jurgen Klopp.
“If one day I am no longer a coach, there is one thing I will not miss: the brutal tension immediately before the game.”
Klopp has embraced that passion and expectation throughout his distinguished career to date.
His commitment to any given cause has allowed him to oversee numerous notable successes, including Champions League and Premier League triumphs with Liverpool.
The 53-year-old insists he is not done yet, with there a desire on his part to keep looking forward and avoid reflecting on the past.
He said of his ambition at Liverpool for 2020-21: “The whole club is hot for the new season, we wants to be even better.
“We want to chase the opponents and the ball over the entire field, continue to be a super unpleasant team that is not fun to play. We're not defending any titles, we want to get new ones, we've only just started winning.”
Liverpool did surrender their grip on the Champions League crown in 2019-20, with Atletico Madrid dumping them out in the last 16.
The Spanish giants have since been humbled by RB Leipzig, with no Premier League sides making the semi-finals.
Klopp believes an all-German final could be on the cards, with Leipzig set to face Paris Saint-Germain in the last four while tournament favourites Bayern Munich are preparing to follow up their 8-2 mauling of Barcelona with a clash against Lyon.
“A German final - why not?” said Klopp. “Everyone can see that Bayern are in unbelievably good shape, and RB also did exceptionally well against Atletico.”
Post by: Sam on October 04, 2020, 04:43:18 PM
Aston Villa put some bull on Liverfool today.
7-2, nah.
Arsenal and Everton is boss this season.
Leeds United go surprise people.
Post by: Flex on April 01, 2021, 09:06:01 PM
AFP
NBA superstar LeBron James has increased his ownership stake in English Premiership club Liverpool via a deal confirmed on Wednesday that makes him a partner in Fenway Sports Group.
FSG announced that James and longtime business associates Maverick Carter and Paul Wachter had become partners in the Boston-based global sports, entertainment and real estate platform, along with RedBird Capital.
James, 36, previously held a 2% stake in Liverpool, but now will have a bigger share in the Premier League team as well as a stake in Major League Baseball's Boston Red Sox, a sports management firm, a regional sports cable network and Roush Fenway Racing of the popular NASCAR stock car racing series.
FSG took control of Liverpool in 2010.
The investment and accompanying transactions value the group at $7.35 billion (6.26 billion euros), and the Boston Globe reported that it is a $750 million (639 million euros)investment.
The new investment is expected to allow Liverpool to recover from the financial pressures of the coronavirus pandemic and help Anfield expansion plans go ahead.
The club has proposed a new Anfield Road stand that would increase the ground's capacity to about 61,000.
In a joint statement, FSG principal owner John W. Henry, chairman Tom Werner and president Mike Gordon said they were "pleased to welcome to our ownership group LeBron, Maverick and Paul, with whom we have enjoyed a successful collaboration for well over a decade.
"Their addition is an important milestone for FSG and expands and deepens a long-time friendship and relationship that began in 2010.
"To our fans and supporters: Winning continues to be the driving force for all of us," Henry and his colleagues said.
"The growth of FSG as an organisation allows us to further strengthen our resources and commitment to the communities we serve, and we look forward to having these talented new partners join us in the next chapter of FSG's evolution."