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Title: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Sam on May 14, 2009, 07:24:42 PM
Answer honestly.

Who here living in a foreign country and have the opportunity to return home and live will go ?

You win the lottery - You dead
You can't wear your own jewelery
You scared of the police, kidnappers and thieves
You have no protection from the law
The schools are poor
The hospitals are poor
The roads are poor
Public transportation is poor
To many cars on the road
No law for drunk drivers, seat belts, children seat and speed limits
The government don't seem to care
Human trafficking is present
Your grocery bill is way over that what you make
No children activities to help keep them off the streets or out of a rum shop
No program to help homeless and drug addicts
Political warfare that separates the people
Pollution is climbing
Sports declinging
Fake ID's on the rise, men have 3 different names and no one can track them. We still in de analog process, no digital ID, so tracing someone is hard incase of crime
We Soca sounding like Dub
Pan is dead
Were de million dollar Blimp
We people don't want to work, we have to hire illigal Guyenese and Mexicans to help us (yes, in T&T this is happening)
They raping the forest and oceans, man eating everything now, from alligator tails to duck head
Animal abuse on the rise
Agriculture is declining
Drug and animal smuggling from South America is higher than live
People dont cook anymore
People not working the land
Man abusing 10-days
We importing more than we export
We importing stolen foreign use cars from Japan
The government don't subsidise local food and the prices is ridiculous
The government have no dairy, fish and meat farms to off set the constant killing and not replacing
Tobago coral reef is almost dead
Imagine I went T&T a month ago and I couldn't find a mango tree, it took me longer that usual to find one
The true essences of T&T has disappear, nobody cooks anymore
No proction for kid abuse
After school where do we go in T&T (work PH ?)
The ocean is taking the land, how are we trying to prevent that. T&T is getting smaller. Plant trees, do something
95% of crimes and kidnapping not being solved
The beaches are durty with garbage, when oil is done what will happen
Not keeping track on deportation. Criminals running loose
What's the latest of the 2009 Summit. What did we archieve

I am currently living in the States and while we are also suffering from a poor rescission we are still better off than being in T&T.

I love my country but under the current situation I will not choose to return home and a miracle will have to take place for me to change my mind.

Unfortunately, T&T will have to suffer more before things get better.

I lived in a shack in Arima , 7 of us and I will always cherish those memories and fortunately I am mix with the best of both worlds (Indo & Afro Trini).

I really hate to see T&T decline when we should be in a first world category.

We getting modernise but the people is not civilised.

I hope to return home oneday and I hope that dream comes through, just not at this moment.

I cant wait for the older generation to die off because they do not posses the brain to take us up a level. We need fresh blood. The older heads is way wise, just not in the books field, so we need them to pass on the common sense part.

I am also not in a hurry for the youths to take over as they head gone to. The generation of people is getting so bad.

Hopefully some Dougla between the age of 38-45 takes over and bring some fresh and honest ideas, someone who have the people and country at heart and not some politicans who only care about fulling his pockets.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: verycute1 on May 14, 2009, 08:29:51 PM
well............ when you put it that way...

I guess the answer would be no
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Quags on May 14, 2009, 09:00:22 PM
Wow Sam .impressive summery there .

The next major war we should join up and recruit or draft ,we need to send off this new generation tah die .
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: D.H.W on May 14, 2009, 09:09:35 PM
hmmm like i dead already
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: fishs on May 14, 2009, 09:26:46 PM
Answer honestly.

Who here living in a foreign country and have the opportunity to return home and live will go ?

.

Hopefully some Dougla between the age of 38-45 takes over and bring some fresh and honest ideas, someone who have the people and country at heart and not some politicans who only care about fulling his pockets.


In the end allyuh does always expect a Dougla to solve allyuh problems eh ?
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: elan on May 14, 2009, 11:08:51 PM
Yes I will return home and live. All what you write there can happen anywhere. Up here is best hospital, Drs. Advance medicine and polite nurses, but doh have insurance and is ah hell of another pain you going and get.

Bad roads all over. You liable to get rob anywhere.

Political battle up here to, can you say Foxs News.

Where is the TRini girl that went Florida for alittle celebration and was never seen again.



The one person I does look to to get a good understanding of how things home is my father and he does tell me, straight. Don't stay out here and suffer come home, it have nuffthing to do. See where we go wrong is comparing T&T to the USA. If that's what you doing T&T could never ever match up. T&T is T&T and the USA is what they are.

So that list you make right there does not really matter to me cause is better I go home work hard and struggle there than stay up here and struggle just to be in America. The day you don't have a dollar in the States is a day of stress. You can still survive for a while back home without money in your pocket.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: just cool on May 14, 2009, 11:21:03 PM
Answer honestly.

Who here living in a foreign country and have the opportunity to return home and live will go ?

You win the lottery - You dead
You can't wear your own jewelery
You scared of the police, kidnappers and thieves
You have no protection from the law
The schools are poor
The hospitals are poor
The roads are poor
Public transportation is poor
To many cars on the road
No law for drunk drivers, seat belts, children seat and speed limits
The government don't seem to care
Human trafficking is present
Your grocery bill is way over that what you make
No children activities to help keep them off the streets or out of a rum shop
No program to help homeless and drug addicts
Political warfare that separates the people
Pollution is climbing
Sports declinging
Fake ID's on the rise, men have 3 different names and no one can track them. We still in de analog process, no digital ID, so tracing someone is hard incase of crime
We Soca sounding like Dub
Pan is dead
Were de million dollar Blimp
We people don't want to work, we have to hire illigal Guyenese and Mexicans to help us (yes, in T&T this is happening)
They raping the forest and oceans, man eating everything now, from alligator tails to duck head
Animal abuse on the rise
Agriculture is declining
Drug and animal smuggling from South America is higher than live
People dont cook anymore
People not working the land
Man abusing 10-days
We importing more than we export
We importing stolen foreign use cars from Japan
The government don't subsidise local food and the prices is ridiculous
The government have no dairy, fish and meat farms to off set the constant killing and not replacing
Tobago coral reef is almost dead
Imagine I went T&T a month ago and I couldn't find a mango tree, it took me longer that usual to find one
The true essences of T&T has disappear, nobody cooks anymore
No proction for kid abuse
After school where do we go in T&T (work PH ?)
The ocean is taking the land, how are we trying to prevent that. T&T is getting smaller. Plant trees, do something
95% of crimes and kidnapping not being solved
The beaches are durty with garbage, when oil is done what will happen
Not keeping track on deportation. Criminals running loose
What's the latest of the 2009 Summit. What did we archieve

I am currently living in the States and while we are also suffering from a poor rescission we are still better off than being in T&T.

I love my country but under the current situation I will not choose to return home and a miracle will have to take place for me to change my mind.

Unfortunately, T&T will have to suffer more before things get better.

I lived in a shack in Arima , 7 of us and I will always cherish those memories and fortunately I am mix with the best of both worlds (Indo & Afro Trini).

I really hate to see T&T decline when we should be in a first world category.

We getting modernise but the people is not civilised.

I hope to return home oneday and I hope that dream comes through, just not at this moment.

I cant wait for the older generation to die off because they do not posses the brain to take us up a level. We need fresh blood. The older heads is way wise, just not in the books field, so we need them to pass on the common sense part.

I am also not in a hurry for the youths to take over as they head gone to. The generation of people is getting so bad.

Hopefully some Dougla between the age of 38-45 takes over and bring some fresh and honest ideas, someone who have the people and country at heart and not some politicans who only care about fulling his pockets.
This one does really piss me off! that's why i don't care for carnival anymore! as for moving back to T&T, only if it comes back to the way it was when Dr williams was PM, other wise, ah big phat NO!!
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: dinho on May 15, 2009, 06:32:55 AM
Would I return home to live? Hell yes!!

- All de holidays in de world
- De sweetest women in the world
- Roti and doubles
- Sunday lunch
- There's no Christmas like a trini Christmas
- Parang
- Carnival
- Fete after fete
- 2 hour lunch at de job is no scene
- De sweetest women in the world
- Lime
- Yuh could drink beers on de street
- No winter
- Yuh have a backyard i.e. yuh doh hadda pick up shit behind no dog
- Yuh could walk in yuh neighbor yard without calling first and lime, eat and drink free whole day
- Stress free living.. Ting to cry, yuh laughing
- Not everything hadda be about de almighty dollar
- Always something to break the monotony. From fetes -> Carnival -> easter -> jazz fest -> borough day -> tobago -> down de islands -> take ah lil trip for de summer -> band launch -> parang season -> fete again
- Tobago
- De beach right there
- Cosmopolitan. A black man, white man or chinee could dress in ah sari, eat roti, light deya and lime by yuh indian friends for Divali
- Yuh eh hadda deal with a society of mad people toting a setta stress and issues
- Yuh eh hadda cram on ah train or a subway
- De sweetest women in the world


Doh get tie up, trinidad real bad right now, but think of yuh computer as a magnifying glass.

It does look ten times worse than when yuh home and actually living in it.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: doc on May 15, 2009, 06:38:41 AM
29 months and counting!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Absolutely no regrets!!! :beermug: ;D ;D
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: giggsy11 on May 15, 2009, 06:45:01 AM
Hell yeah! If I get a job that will help improve some of the things that are problems and I will like to be part of the solution and not the problem; I will be there! There are pluses and minuses in every situations. Is the glass half full, half empty or both?
Let me also add I wouldn't mind 6 months up and 6 months down.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Montjoy on May 15, 2009, 06:50:41 AM
This one does really piss me off! that's why i don't care for carnival anymore! as for moving back to T&T, only if it comes back to the way it was when Dr williams was PM, other wise, ah big phat NO!!

I do care for Carnival although I am afraid before I make the trip. Although it will never get back to the days of Dr. Williams (no coke and guns but plenty weed) I wish that it will at least get back some peace and respect. Otherwise the answer for me and my family is NO.  ;D
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Tallman on May 15, 2009, 07:47:11 AM
29 months and counting!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Absolutely no regrets!!! :beermug: ;D ;D

Except when yuh had tuh get yuh digital birth certificate, ent ?  :devil:
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: ribbit on May 15, 2009, 08:10:32 AM
- Cosmopolitan. A black man, white man or chinee could dress in ah sari, eat roti, light deya and lime by yuh indian friends for Divali

cosmopolitan - thaz a cross-dress scene ent? yuh mean dhoti?  ???   ;)

Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: giggsy11 on May 15, 2009, 08:31:14 AM
Tastiest food ever-people season food before they cook it, not after
beautiful looking people left, right, center and behind
warm weather all year
real beaches and trees
like Omar- you can drink beers on the streets
watch live football, cricket and netball
play football, cricket and netball,
all types of mangos
fruit for all seasons
lime on all the time

Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: NYtriniwhiteboy.. on May 15, 2009, 08:35:17 AM
as soon as i finish getting this MD i heading straight back home. Always been my plan..and hopefully yuh go see a proper sports med practice set up by me!
Plus i wud have to go home and work for a five years for de gov...they paying for de education so i really don't mind!
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Daft Trini on May 15, 2009, 08:58:30 AM
Answer honestly.

Who here living in a foreign country and have the opportunity to return home and live will go ?

You win the lottery - You dead
You can't wear your own jewelery
You scared of the police, kidnappers and thieves
You have no protection from the law
The schools are poor
The hospitals are poor
The roads are poor
Public transportation is poor
To many cars on the road
No law for drunk drivers, seat belts, children seat and speed limits
The government don't seem to care
Human trafficking is present
Your grocery bill is way over that what you make
No children activities to help keep them off the streets or out of a rum shop
No program to help homeless and drug addicts
Political warfare that separates the people
Pollution is climbing
Sports declinging
Fake ID's on the rise, men have 3 different names and no one can track them. We still in de analog process, no digital ID, so tracing someone is hard incase of crime
We Soca sounding like Dub
Pan is dead
Were de million dollar Blimp
We people don't want to work, we have to hire illigal Guyenese and Mexicans to help us (yes, in T&T this is happening)
They raping the forest and oceans, man eating everything now, from alligator tails to duck head
Animal abuse on the rise
Agriculture is declining
Drug and animal smuggling from South America is higher than live
People dont cook anymore
People not working the land
Man abusing 10-days
We importing more than we export
We importing stolen foreign use cars from Japan
The government don't subsidise local food and the prices is ridiculous
The government have no dairy, fish and meat farms to off set the constant killing and not replacing
Tobago coral reef is almost dead
Imagine I went T&T a month ago and I couldn't find a mango tree, it took me longer that usual to find one
The true essences of T&T has disappear, nobody cooks anymore
No proction for kid abuse
After school where do we go in T&T (work PH ?)
The ocean is taking the land, how are we trying to prevent that. T&T is getting smaller. Plant trees, do something
95% of crimes and kidnapping not being solved
The beaches are durty with garbage, when oil is done what will happen
Not keeping track on deportation. Criminals running loose
What's the latest of the 2009 Summit. What did we archieve

I am currently living in the States and while we are also suffering from a poor rescission we are still better off than being in T&T.

I love my country but under the current situation I will not choose to return home and a miracle will have to take place for me to change my mind.

Unfortunately, T&T will have to suffer more before things get better.

I lived in a shack in Arima , 7 of us and I will always cherish those memories and fortunately I am mix with the best of both worlds (Indo & Afro Trini).

I really hate to see T&T decline when we should be in a first world category.

We getting modernise but the people is not civilised.

I hope to return home oneday and I hope that dream comes through, just not at this moment.

I cant wait for the older generation to die off because they do not posses the brain to take us up a level. We need fresh blood. The older heads is way wise, just not in the books field, so we need them to pass on the common sense part.

I am also not in a hurry for the youths to take over as they head gone to. The generation of people is getting so bad.

Hopefully some Dougla between the age of 38-45 takes over and bring some fresh and honest ideas, someone who have the people and country at heart and not some politicans who only care about fulling his pockets.
This one does really piss me off! that's why i don't care for carnival anymore! as for moving back to T&T, only if it comes back to the way it was when Dr williams was PM, other wise, ah big phat NO!!

A few times I went home and found out that it have plenty Trinis with Jamaican accents  ??? I was confused...!
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: dwolfman on May 15, 2009, 09:35:00 AM
3 years and counting. No regrets at all. I've been mugged at gunpoint, I've had the heat cut in the house (because two tenants out of 6 failed to pay rent) during winter (at least it was Atlanta and not somewhere cold like Chicago), sat down in hours of traffic, hoped not to get sick because I knew I couldn't afford health care, I've been harassed by police/sheriffs all in the fantastic United States of America. I enjoyed my time there and have no regrets about living there. However, there is no place like home.

I've never been robbed or mugged, current can go and I not worried about freezing to death and prices are actually going down (stagflation). When I broken in the US is proper hard times, the hardest times I've faced here I know I will eat. The US is the US with their own problems, T&T is T&T with our own.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Star Child on May 15, 2009, 10:11:16 AM
No for me...

Man still dying from Dengue fever.

The country only growing in certain areas.

Sooner or later, we will have no middle class.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Dr. Rat on May 15, 2009, 10:57:08 AM
No.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: warmonga on May 15, 2009, 11:51:01 AM
29 months and counting!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Absolutely no regrets!!! :beermug: ;D ;D

dread no disrespect yu know how war does do it.. yu mussi get deported or yu is a big police AKA bandit in TNT.. dais di only way yu rass guh stay dey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  ;D. I eh even wah step in Trini right now , unfortunately I will be there In June.
war
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: doc on May 15, 2009, 12:08:34 PM
29 months and counting!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Absolutely no regrets!!! :beermug: ;D ;D

dread no disrespect yu know how war does do it.. yu mussi get deported or yu is a big police AKA bandit in TNT.. dais di only way yu rass guh stay dey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  ;D. I eh even wah step in Trini right now , unfortunately I will be there In June.
war

Pandering to your baser instincts is always very revealing. Doc always walks on the straight side. I feel vindicated by the timing of my planned return. Associates of mine in the great northern hemisphere are being downsized left right and center, and me I living large in my homeland. It was a question of choice for me. On my next visit, I'll pass thru Chicago and bring some pacro water for yuh!
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: just cool on May 15, 2009, 04:05:35 PM
Tastiest food ever-people season food before they cook it, not after
beautiful looking people left, right, center and behind
warm weather all year
real beaches and trees
like Omar- you can drink beers on the streets
watch live football, cricket and netball
play football, cricket and netball,
all types of mangos
fruit for all seasons
lime on all the time


Yuh could get dat on any caribbean island, without the gun crimes, the kidnapings and the random violent crimes, and better beaches too!
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: capodetutticapi on May 15, 2009, 04:08:03 PM
trini is meh birthplace,good or bad this is where i will retire.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: dinho on May 15, 2009, 04:09:16 PM
Tastiest food ever-people season food before they cook it, not after
beautiful looking people left, right, center and behind
warm weather all year
real beaches and trees
like Omar- you can drink beers on the streets
watch live football, cricket and netball
play football, cricket and netball,
all types of mangos
fruit for all seasons
lime on all the time


Yuh could get dat on any caribbean island, without the gun crimes, the kidnapings and the random violent crimes, and better beaches too!

not de woman.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: just cool on May 15, 2009, 04:17:29 PM
Answer honestly.

Who here living in a foreign country and have the opportunity to return home and live will go ?

You win the lottery - You dead
You can't wear your own jewelery
You scared of the police, kidnappers and thieves
You have no protection from the law
The schools are poor
The hospitals are poor
The roads are poor
Public transportation is poor
To many cars on the road
No law for drunk drivers, seat belts, children seat and speed limits
The government don't seem to care
Human trafficking is present
Your grocery bill is way over that what you make
No children activities to help keep them off the streets or out of a rum shop
No program to help homeless and drug addicts
Political warfare that separates the people
Pollution is climbing
Sports declinging
Fake ID's on the rise, men have 3 different names and no one can track them. We still in de analog process, no digital ID, so tracing someone is hard incase of crime
We Soca sounding like Dub
Pan is dead
Were de million dollar Blimp
We people don't want to work, we have to hire illigal Guyenese and Mexicans to help us (yes, in T&T this is happening)
They raping the forest and oceans, man eating everything now, from alligator tails to duck head
Animal abuse on the rise
Agriculture is declining
Drug and animal smuggling from South America is higher than live
People dont cook anymore
People not working the land
Man abusing 10-days
We importing more than we export
We importing stolen foreign use cars from Japan
The government don't subsidise local food and the prices is ridiculous
The government have no dairy, fish and meat farms to off set the constant killing and not replacing
Tobago coral reef is almost dead
Imagine I went T&T a month ago and I couldn't find a mango tree, it took me longer that usual to find one
The true essences of T&T has disappear, nobody cooks anymore
No proction for kid abuse
After school where do we go in T&T (work PH ?)
The ocean is taking the land, how are we trying to prevent that. T&T is getting smaller. Plant trees, do something
95% of crimes and kidnapping not being solved
The beaches are durty with garbage, when oil is done what will happen
Not keeping track on deportation. Criminals running loose
What's the latest of the 2009 Summit. What did we archieve

I am currently living in the States and while we are also suffering from a poor rescission we are still better off than being in T&T.

I love my country but under the current situation I will not choose to return home and a miracle will have to take place for me to change my mind.

Unfortunately, T&T will have to suffer more before things get better.

I lived in a shack in Arima , 7 of us and I will always cherish those memories and fortunately I am mix with the best of both worlds (Indo & Afro Trini).

I really hate to see T&T decline when we should be in a first world category.

We getting modernise but the people is not civilised.

I hope to return home oneday and I hope that dream comes through, just not at this moment.

I cant wait for the older generation to die off because they do not posses the brain to take us up a level. We need fresh blood. The older heads is way wise, just not in the books field, so we need them to pass on the common sense part.

I am also not in a hurry for the youths to take over as they head gone to. The generation of people is getting so bad.

Hopefully some Dougla between the age of 38-45 takes over and bring some fresh and honest ideas, someone who have the people and country at heart and not some politicans who only care about fulling his pockets.
This one does really piss me off! that's why i don't care for carnival anymore! as for moving back to T&T, only if it comes back to the way it was when Dr williams was PM, other wise, ah big phat NO!!

A few times I went home and found out that it have plenty Trinis with Jamaican accents  ??? I was confused...!
Yuh doh even have tuh go home tuh see dem fools who talk like Jkans, they have them nuff in foreign, especially in toronto!

boy dat does really boil my piss! i only know one yardie who does talk like ah trini, and he does only do it when he around trini.

i appreciate all accents, and sometimes i does kicks off wid meh JA breddrens dem and talk yard for ah minuite or two , but them self loathers from trini who does talk JA 24/7 even around trini's! boy ah does want tuh knock dem out for they stupidity.


BTW breds, maybe yuh heard some bonified Jkans and thought they were trinis. from what i heard , there are quite a few Jkans living in trini now.

as for me , i does talk most time with a yankee accent, not trying tuh be , but since yuh in rome it's not bad to do as the romans.                    positive.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: just cool on May 15, 2009, 04:19:28 PM
Tastiest food ever-people season food before they cook it, not after
beautiful looking people left, right, center and behind
warm weather all year
real beaches and trees
like Omar- you can drink beers on the streets
watch live football, cricket and netball
play football, cricket and netball,
all types of mangos
fruit for all seasons
lime on all the time


Yuh could get dat on any caribbean island, without the gun crimes, the kidnapings and the random violent crimes, and better beaches too!

not de woman.
Have you ever been too bermuda or st lucia ?
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: dinho on May 15, 2009, 04:27:02 PM
Tastiest food ever-people season food before they cook it, not after
beautiful looking people left, right, center and behind
warm weather all year
real beaches and trees
like Omar- you can drink beers on the streets
watch live football, cricket and netball
play football, cricket and netball,
all types of mangos
fruit for all seasons
lime on all the time


Yuh could get dat on any caribbean island, without the gun crimes, the kidnapings and the random violent crimes, and better beaches too!

not de woman.
Have you ever been too bermuda or st lucia ?

nah, but one of my best friends lives there and i could tell you that fellah does be reaaaal glad to come home and sad to go back.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on May 15, 2009, 05:14:58 PM
hmmm like i dead already

COSIGN BY A GHOST
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on May 15, 2009, 05:16:22 PM
29 months and counting!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Absolutely no regrets!!! :beermug: ;D ;D

U IN BAGO DAT DOH COUNT :rotfl:
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on May 15, 2009, 05:17:08 PM
29 months and counting!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Absolutely no regrets!!! :beermug: ;D ;D

Except when yuh had tuh get yuh digital birth certificate, ent ?  :devil:

Yuh 2 baddddddddddd. ANSWER D ?
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on May 15, 2009, 05:18:21 PM
as soon as i finish getting this MD i heading straight back home. Always been my plan..and hopefully yuh go see a proper sports med practice set up by me!
Plus i wud have to go home and work for a five years for de gov...they paying for de education so i really don't mind!

 :applause: :applause:
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on May 15, 2009, 05:20:42 PM
trini is meh birthplace,good or bad this is where i will retire.

Walk wit yuh satellite dish no TNT USA so no basketball 4 yuh
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Grande on May 15, 2009, 06:02:06 PM
- Cosmopolitan. A black man, white man or chinee could dress in ah sari

like it have a special place yuh does go to see that boy Omar
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: makaveli on May 15, 2009, 09:56:52 PM
Answer honestly.

Who here living in a foreign country and have the opportunity to return home and live will go ?

You win the lottery - You dead
You can't wear your own jewelery
You scared of the police, kidnappers and thieves
You have no protection from the law
The schools are poor
The hospitals are poor
The roads are poor
Public transportation is poor
To many cars on the road

No law for drunk drivers, seat belts, children seat and speed limits
The government don't seem to care
Human trafficking is present
Your grocery bill is way over that what you make

No children activities to help keep them off the streets or out of a rum shop
No program to help homeless and drug addicts
Political warfare that separates the people
Pollution is climbing
Sports declinging
Fake ID's on the rise, men have 3 different names and no one can track them. We still in de analog process, no digital ID, so tracing someone is hard incase of crime

We Soca sounding like Dub
Pan is dead
Were de million dollar Blimp
We people don't want to work, we have to hire illigal Guyenese and Mexicans to help us (yes, in T&T this is happening)
They raping the forest and oceans, man eating everything now, from alligator tails to duck head
Animal abuse on the rise
Agriculture is declining
Drug and animal smuggling from South America is higher than live
People dont cook anymore
People not working the land
Man abusing 10-days
We importing more than we export
We importing stolen foreign use cars from Japan
The government don't subsidise local food and the prices is ridiculous
The government have no dairy, fish and meat farms to off set the constant killing and not replacing
Tobago coral reef is almost dead
Imagine I went T&T a month ago and I couldn't find a mango tree, it took me longer that usual to find one
The true essences of T&T has disappear, nobody cooks anymore
No proction for kid abuse
After school where do we go in T&T (work PH ?)
The ocean is taking the land, how are we trying to prevent that. T&T is getting smaller. Plant trees, do something
95% of crimes and kidnapping not being solved
The beaches are durty with garbage, when oil is done what will happen
Not keeping track on deportation. Criminals running loose
What's the latest of the 2009 Summit. What did we archieve

I am currently living in the States and while we are also suffering from a poor rescission we are still better off than being in T&T.


lol...u actually believe that?

I love my country but under the current situation I will not choose to return home and a miracle will have to take place for me to change my mind.

Unfortunately, T&T will have to suffer more before things get better.

I really hate to see T&T decline when we should be in a first world category.

We getting modernise but the people is not civilised
.

I am also not in a hurry for the youths to take over as they head gone to. The generation of people is getting so bad.

I see these things in Canada everyday..it does amaze me how "trinis" seem to disregard the fact that the world all over is the same shit.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on May 15, 2009, 10:10:00 PM
NAH TNT IS D WORSE
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: makaveli on May 15, 2009, 10:15:27 PM
Often times when I talk to peo and I tell them I from trini..they like why you leave?..gov't killing your peo?(Tamil), your country is dirt poor?(the list to long)..aids rampant?(long list)..one child policy?(China)..religious oppression?(long list)...War and ethnic cleansing(Iraq,Europe)...uh should hear these peo horror stories.....we have it nice...(if uh ask me is the very countries they run to that causing Trinidad's "destruction"...BET.MTV,50 CENT,Paris Hilton,doh even talk about their political and economic policies) .it does really get me vex when "trinis" in foreign whine about conditions back home when they have know idea the privileged position they in..... they don't even entertain the idea of going back and contributing to the land of their birth..the same land they "big up" occasionally when the situations suits them...stueps
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: giggsy11 on May 16, 2009, 08:19:28 AM
Often times when I talk to peo and I tell them I from trini..they like why you leave?..gov't killing your peo?(Tamil), your country is dirt poor?(the list to long)..aids rampant?(long list)..one child policy?(China)..religious oppression?(long list)...War and ethnic cleansing(Iraq,Europe)...uh should hear these peo horror stories.....we have it nice...(if uh ask me is the very countries they run to that causing Trinidad's "destruction"...BET.MTV,50 CENT,Paris Hilton,doh even talk about their political and economic policies) .it does really get me vex when "trinis" in foreign whine about conditions back home when they have know idea the privileged position they in..... they don't even entertain the idea of going back and contributing to the land of their birth..the same land they "big up" occasionally when the situations suits them...stueps

Here, here!  :applause: 
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Organic on May 16, 2009, 08:20:16 AM
Answer honestly.

Who here living in a foreign country and have the opportunity to return home and live will go ?

You win the lottery - You dead
You can't wear your own jewelery
You scared of the police, kidnappers and thieves
You have no protection from the law
The schools are poor
The hospitals are poor
The roads are poor
Public transportation is poor
To many cars on the road
No law for drunk drivers, seat belts, children seat and speed limits
The government don't seem to care
Human trafficking is present
Your grocery bill is way over that what you make
No children activities to help keep them off the streets or out of a rum shop
No program to help homeless and drug addicts
Political warfare that separates the people
Pollution is climbing
Sports declinging
Fake ID's on the rise, men have 3 different names and no one can track them. We still in de analog process, no digital ID, so tracing someone is hard incase of crime
We Soca sounding like Dub
Pan is dead
Were de million dollar Blimp
We people don't want to work, we have to hire illigal Guyenese and Mexicans to help us (yes, in T&T this is happening)
They raping the forest and oceans, man eating everything now, from alligator tails to duck head
Animal abuse on the rise
Agriculture is declining
Drug and animal smuggling from South America is higher than live
People dont cook anymore
People not working the land
Man abusing 10-days
We importing more than we export
We importing stolen foreign use cars from Japan
The government don't subsidise local food and the prices is ridiculous
The government have no dairy, fish and meat farms to off set the constant killing and not replacing
Tobago coral reef is almost dead
Imagine I went T&T a month ago and I couldn't find a mango tree, it took me longer that usual to find one
The true essences of T&T has disappear, nobody cooks anymore
No proction for kid abuse
After school where do we go in T&T (work PH ?)
The ocean is taking the land, how are we trying to prevent that. T&T is getting smaller. Plant trees, do something
95% of crimes and kidnapping not being solved
The beaches are durty with garbage, when oil is done what will happen
Not keeping track on deportation. Criminals running loose
What's the latest of the 2009 Summit. What did we archieve

I am currently living in the States and while we are also suffering from a poor rescission we are still better off than being in T&T.

I love my country but under the current situation I will not choose to return home and a miracle will have to take place for me to change my mind.

Unfortunately, T&T will have to suffer more before things get better.

I lived in a shack in Arima , 7 of us and I will always cherish those memories and fortunately I am mix with the best of both worlds (Indo & Afro Trini).

I really hate to see T&T decline when we should be in a first world category.

We getting modernise but the people is not civilised.

I hope to return home oneday and I hope that dream comes through, just not at this moment.

I cant wait for the older generation to die off because they do not posses the brain to take us up a level. We need fresh blood. The older heads is way wise, just not in the books field, so we need them to pass on the common sense part.

I am also not in a hurry for the youths to take over as they head gone to. The generation of people is getting so bad.

Hopefully some Dougla between the age of 38-45 takes over and bring some fresh and honest ideas, someone who have the people and country at heart and not some politicans who only care about fulling his pockets.
This one does really piss me off! that's why i don't care for carnival anymore! as for moving back to T&T, only if it comes back to the way it was when Dr williams was PM, other wise, ah big phat NO!!
Thank god!!!
As for me mentally i never left. So i cyah say i returned. I happy as pappy.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: just cool on May 16, 2009, 10:07:35 AM
Often times when I talk to peo and I tell them I from trini..they like why you leave?..gov't killing your peo?(Tamil), your country is dirt poor?(the list to long)..aids rampant?(long list)..one child policy?(China)..religious oppression?(long list)...War and ethnic cleansing(Iraq,Europe)...uh should hear these peo horror stories.....we have it nice...(if uh ask me is the very countries they run to that causing Trinidad's "destruction"...BET.MTV,50 CENT,Paris Hilton,doh even talk about their political and economic policies) .it does really get me vex when "trinis" in foreign whine about conditions back home  when they have know idea the privileged position they in..... they don't even entertain the idea of going back and contributing to the land of their birth..the same land they "big up" occasionally when the situations suits them...stueps
:timeout: Yuh talking outa timin! MOST of the ppl who left trini and migrated, especially to the U.S. was underprivileged, underachieving ppl who didn't have ah prayer, so hence the reason they dashed out.

most settled in NYC BKLYN to be exact. the more ambitious left the safety and convenience of NYC and ventured to the less explored south, (FL) (TX) (GA) DC, but most stayed in BKLYN, and they lived through NYC when it was out of controll and violent.

now today the place is clean , far more safe than 25 yrs ago and peaceful, yuh think anyone mad enough after experiencing all that madness a generation ago finally tuh find peace and quality of life, tuh fall back into another unsafe mismanaged violent out of control situation simply in the name of patriotism! loud fackin stuuueeepppsss! who the hell want to be tortured all their lives!

when ppl come home to retire they want quality of life, not be a prisoner in their own home.  :shameonyou:

i know quite ah few ppl who worked hard all their young lives, they bought land and built houses in anticipation of moving  home, when they finally did, they had tuh run right back tuh foreign BC of the crime situation! some stayed and is dealing wid it to their dismay. now tell me , who the fack wants tuh deal wid dat stress in their golden ages. stuueeepppsss!

 in the first place,T&T had no right to be in this condition, we barely have 2 million ppl with a lot of economic stability under our belt tuh be underachieving.

it all comes down to missmanagement and complaisance! there's no reason for all this crime wid the minuscule land mass and tiny population we have.

T&T let down their ppl in the worst of ways, now with the crime and inflation, and the mid 80ies with unemployment and lack of opportunity, hence the reason for the mass exodus and brain drain the country suffered in the 80ies.

if yuh ask most expats if they would like tuh settle in trini, they would say most emphatically, yes! but not in the condition it's in now. and who in their right mind would want too!!!! i'm afraid sam was right.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Sando on May 16, 2009, 10:23:52 AM
Compare the size of T&T and the list Sam have to a place the size of Canada and USA.

T&T leading. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No way, I coming home.

De ones who there in T&T good luck to them, they could come here and play talk how happy they are and after 6pm they can't go outside alone.

Doc living in Tobago, wha he know...  :devil:

Ask de people in Laventille how many people de Police kill for de year.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: ribbit on May 16, 2009, 12:47:36 PM
they don't even entertain the idea of going back and contributing to the land of their birth

thaz another thing to add to the list. most places, yuh learn something in foreign and bring it back home, is a good thing. not t&t. unless yuh is a car, t&t is a closed society not open to foreign ideas or experiences. if yuh come from foreign, contributing to t&t is uphill climb; foreign exposure and experience is a deficit not an advantage.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: elan on May 16, 2009, 02:12:56 PM
How about alyuh live in alyuh foreign country, adopted homeland, whatever alyuh want to call it and leave we with we piece of shyte for a country how about that. Just f*@K off and live in the paradise that is the US of A.

With all the bad things alyuh spewing I does be so much more comfortable when I go home than up here. There is a natural stress to living in the states. You can't rest yuh mind for a minute up here, is alaways ah tightness in your chest. You have everything thing yuh want and you can see how to get it, but......that but does cause real stress.

For me I rather have a latrine and relaxed, than have 3 and a 1/2 bath and stressed.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: verycute1 on May 16, 2009, 02:19:19 PM
they don't even entertain the idea of going back and contributing to the land of their birth

thaz another thing to add to the list. most places, yuh learn something in foreign and bring it back home, is a good thing. not t&t. unless yuh is a car, t&t is a closed society not open to foreign ideas or experiences. if yuh come from foreign, contributing to t&t is uphill climb; foreign exposure and experience is a deficit not an advantage.

Is not just that. Say you come back to live full of ideas to "contribute". Lets say you bringing a franchise over, or some type of business. And lets say it take off and your business becoming well known. The next thing you have to think about is security. Because say what you will, there are those that show no interest in learning from you or growing with you but rather they will wait and see how successful you can be so they can help themselves to your hard earned cash.

It had a thread a while a back. Cant remember what it was about. But someone posted that they went to do a construction job somewhere maybe it was Lavantille? At some school, and he took his own crew. And when he get there the local "leaders" telling him he have to find space on his crew for them. Anyone could find that thread? If the local based businessmen could run into that kinda crap, why I must come back and run a business or something like that? For the same thing to happen?

How about alyuh live in alyuh foreign country, adopted homeland, whatever alyuh want to call it and leave we with we piece of shyte for a country how about that. Just f*@K off and live in the paradise that is the US of A.

With all the bad things alyuh spewing I does be so much more comfortable when I go home than up here. There is a natural stress to living in the states. You can't rest yuh mind for a minute up here, is alaways ah tightness in your chest. You have everything thing yuh want and you can see how to get it, but......that but does cause real stress.

For me I rather have a latrine and relaxed, than have 3 and a 1/2 bath and stressed.

But Elan, isn't that the price you pay for progress? Nothing comes easy, you have to work at it. With hard work comes stress.. ent we all went through that at school?
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: capodetutticapi on May 16, 2009, 03:06:45 PM
trini is meh birthplace,good or bad this is where i will retire.

Walk wit yuh satellite dish no TNT USA so no basketball 4 yuh
we go look tru de neighbour window together. ;)
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on May 16, 2009, 04:53:30 PM
Compare the size of T&T and the list Sam have to a place the size of Canada and USA.

T&T leading. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No way, I coming home.

De ones who there in T&T good luck to them, they could come here and play talk how happy they are and after 6pm they can't go outside alone.

Doc living in Tobago, wha he know...  :devil:

Ask de people in Laventille how many people de Police kill for de year.

Brudder I does go out in d nite and I does go 2 church in Morvant and spend many nites their. It have peeps postin on dis MB who livin Morvant we eh dead we still here. So if all yuh happy in foreign gr8 but doh make it feel dat we livin in HELLLLLL. LOUDDDDDDDDDD STEUPSSSSSSSSSS. Dat is y dem Yardies does b biggin up dey self here because we does b cryin down TNT.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: STEUPS!! on May 16, 2009, 05:09:44 PM
Compare the size of T&T and the list Sam have to a place the size of Canada and USA.

T&T leading. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No way, I coming home.

De ones who there in T&T good luck to them, they could come here and play talk how happy they are and after 6pm they can't go outside alone.

Doc living in Tobago, wha he know...  :devil:

Ask de people in Laventille how many people de Police kill for de year.

Brudder I does go out in d nite and I does go 2 church in Morvant and spend many nites their. It have peeps postin on dis MB who livin Morvant we eh dead we still here. So if all yuh happy in foreign gr8 but doh make it feel dat we livin in HELLLLLL. LOUDDDDDDDDDD STEUPSSSSSSSSSS. Dat is y dem Yardies does b biggin up dey self here because we does b cryin down TNT.

 :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

i doh understand dese ppl nah. dey quick to waste down T&T, but if it have any game or any trini activity up in foreign, all of a sudden dem is 'trini to d bone'. hypocrites!
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Babalawo on May 16, 2009, 05:26:13 PM
Answer honestly.

Who here living in a foreign country and have the opportunity to return home and live will go ?

You win the lottery - You dead
You can't wear your own jewelery
You scared of the police, kidnappers and thieves
You have no protection from the law
The schools are poor
The hospitals are poor
The roads are poor
Public transportation is poor
To many cars on the road
No law for drunk drivers, seat belts, children seat and speed limits
The government don't seem to care
Human trafficking is present
Your grocery bill is way over that what you make
No children activities to help keep them off the streets or out of a rum shop
No program to help homeless and drug addicts
Political warfare that separates the people
Pollution is climbing
Sports declinging
Fake ID's on the rise, men have 3 different names and no one can track them. We still in de analog process, no digital ID, so tracing someone is hard incase of crime
We Soca sounding like Dub
Pan is dead
Were de million dollar Blimp
We people don't want to work, we have to hire illigal Guyenese and Mexicans to help us (yes, in T&T this is happening)
They raping the forest and oceans, man eating everything now, from alligator tails to duck head
Animal abuse on the rise
Agriculture is declining
Drug and animal smuggling from South America is higher than live
People dont cook anymore
People not working the land
Man abusing 10-days
We importing more than we export
We importing stolen foreign use cars from Japan
The government don't subsidise local food and the prices is ridiculous
The government have no dairy, fish and meat farms to off set the constant killing and not replacing
Tobago coral reef is almost dead
Imagine I went T&T a month ago and I couldn't find a mango tree, it took me longer that usual to find one
The true essences of T&T has disappear, nobody cooks anymore
No proction for kid abuse
After school where do we go in T&T (work PH ?)
The ocean is taking the land, how are we trying to prevent that. T&T is getting smaller. Plant trees, do something
95% of crimes and kidnapping not being solved
The beaches are durty with garbage, when oil is done what will happen
Not keeping track on deportation. Criminals running loose
What's the latest of the 2009 Summit. What did we archieve

I am currently living in the States and while we are also suffering from a poor rescission we are still better off than being in T&T.

I love my country but under the current situation I will not choose to return home and a miracle will have to take place for me to change my mind.

Unfortunately, T&T will have to suffer more before things get better.

I lived in a shack in Arima , 7 of us and I will always cherish those memories and fortunately I am mix with the best of both worlds (Indo & Afro Trini).

I really hate to see T&T decline when we should be in a first world category.

We getting modernise but the people is not civilised.

I hope to return home oneday and I hope that dream comes through, just not at this moment.

I cant wait for the older generation to die off because they do not posses the brain to take us up a level. We need fresh blood. The older heads is way wise, just not in the books field, so we need them to pass on the common sense part.

I am also not in a hurry for the youths to take over as they head gone to. The generation of people is getting so bad.

Hopefully some Dougla between the age of 38-45 takes over and bring some fresh and honest ideas, someone who have the people and country at heart and not some politicans who only care about fulling his pockets.


All them thing i highlight there. are at the same level as the great NY people in trinidad does get jumpy and skippy to go. and I mean LEVEL. I know tnt worst in some others but,

HELL YEAH ILL MOVE BACK HOME. THE PROBLEMS THAT WE SEE EVERYDAY can easily be solved. but it takes time. Real time. It depends on the plans that the leaders have in place and to gain public understanding and support like Obama have the ability to do. But we dont have a leader right now that is people friendly and articulate as Obama to let us know what plans are in process. and the effect of those plans takes times. Might take 20 years (hence vision 2020) and that is too fast enough compare to develop an entire nation.  The plans might turn out good or bad. Only the future knows, but in addition we all have to remember TnT has been independent for ONLY 46 years and ONLY discovered it's oil and other natural gases 100 years ago.  England has benefited from the previous 54 years of the oil we had.  So I want to be there when the real benefits arrive and during the building towards it... We all have to remember we have  government who public relations, marketing, and customer service communications is not as talent as I explained it like obama and usa, england, can.  U can get cnn, hollywood movie, bbc, chiney movie in tnt that will market and propaganda Trini's minds that Usa or there country is sooooooo much better than your country, but it aint all that.  Call a government office right now and you will get the run arounds if they actually pick up the phone.  But that does not mean they dont have a plan that may or may not work, but the benefits of the oil for this independent nation will bloom in 20 years for such a small population of 1.3 million + citizens will override any and everything.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on May 16, 2009, 05:38:36 PM
trini is meh birthplace,good or bad this is where i will retire.

Walk wit yuh satellite dish no TNT USA so no basketball 4 yuh
we go look tru de neighbour window together. ;)

Dat is a date/prune call it what u want.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on May 16, 2009, 05:41:00 PM
A Leader is important but u can only take d horse 2 water. D nasty attitudes of Trinis is d problem.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Babalawo on May 16, 2009, 05:56:46 PM
A Leader is important but u can only take d horse 2 water. D nasty attitudes of Trinis is d problem.
but we have to tell the horse if you dont drink the water you going to end up food for the lion in the emperor valley zoo.  See them hard headed fools in laventille grew up lawless with no or bad parents/influences.  its takes a village to raise a child so we have to be their parents.  we have to grab all who fail school because lack of good parents . set up center in one of the lil islands and who dont want to behave and "be successful" will stay there. not a jail but call it a rehab center.  and same thing for businesspeople who dont hire people just because they address is laventille or beetham. dat discrimination in my island have to go. Black man is prime minister and he still letting these businesses do that? send those business men to the island too if they cant pay a hefty fine.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: dinho on May 16, 2009, 06:05:25 PM
Yeah if yuh into the bling and the material things of life then you might like the US better. If your car and your house and clothes and sneakers is what you need to define you as a person, then by all means, the US is the place for you.

but if you into genuine quality of living and happiness then home is the place.

a Trini who move abroad will work a two and three jobs, work plenty more hours and sacrifice quality time and family life, or accept comparitively menial labor that HE WOULD NOT do in Trinidad. Because he know he hadda struggle to make ends meet.

the struggle in TnT ten times better than the struggle at home. Poor people, de destitute and vagrants does look plenty happier than the bums in NYC.

At home, I had nuff partners growing up who was eating well every day, sweating when the evening come, liming and drinking more than anybody.. and they wasnt in nutten illegal. Doh care what nobody tell me, it much easier to fall on ah hard times abroad. Plus abroad, it eh have nobody helping yuh out when yuh make the left onto shit street. Every man for himself and dog eat dog.

Even if you living in a hotspot.

You eh paying no bills because nobody daring to come up dey to cut your lights or phone. If yuh is T&TEC and try that, men waiting for yuh at the bottom of the pole. Government giving yuh free roof and assistance if yuh get flood out while i hadda catch my ass and work hard to buy them thing. Government giving yuh free skills training, and tools and whatever you need to learn a trade and give yourself an avenue out..

Sometimes i wonder if the average struggler happier than me yes. because at the end of the day, he could wake up whatever time, yawn and stretch.. he doh hadda go in no traffic like me, work no 9 to 5 and fight up like me when the day come.

he liming and drinking just as much as me if not more.. The only difference is I might be driving a nicer car, living in a bigger house and eating at a more expensive place.

I not saying that the crime situation is not out of hand and deplorable, but is like some of allyuh does read papers on the internet and feel that is everybody daily reality. Allyuh must be the same fools who does post them absurd comments after every online Express article, about 'Trinidad is the worst place on earth I will never go back', but hunting for Xmas and Carnival deals. Is best allyuh keep allyuh cyat in foreign in truth.

Its not what your country can do for you, its what you can do for your country.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on May 16, 2009, 06:18:23 PM
A Leader is important but u can only take d horse 2 water. D nasty attitudes of Trinis is d problem.
but we have to tell the horse if you dont drink the water you going to end up food for the lion in the emperor valley zoo.  See them hard headed fools in laventille grew up lawless with no or bad parents/influences.  its takes a village to raise a child so we have to be their parents.  we have to grab all who fail school because lack of good parents . set up center in one of the lil islands and who dont want to behave and "be successful" will stay there. not a jail but call it a rehab center.  and same thing for businesspeople who dont hire people just because they address is laventille or beetham. dat discrimination in my island have to go. Black man is prime minister and he still letting these businesses do that? send those business men to the island too if they cant pay a hefty fine.

Agree wit u we take yutes from Sean Francis community in my church and dey now productive members of d society. We let dem know that after salvation is education. Dem who is now productive members wanted the chance 2 do betta. D vast majority eh ant 2 wuk hard
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Star Child on May 16, 2009, 06:19:39 PM
Remember, nobody eh saying they NOT coming back, just not right now. I believe the country is in a mess, a big one.

But I give myself 6/7 more years in the US and I am heading back.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: lefty on May 16, 2009, 06:20:02 PM
Yeah if yuh into the bling and the material things of life then you might like the US better. If your car and your house and clothes and sneakers is what you need to define you as a person, then by all means, the US is the place for you................................
................
Allyuh must be the same fools who does post them absurd comments after every online Express article, about 'Trinidad is the worst place on earth I will never go back', but hunting for Xmas and Carnival deals. Is best allyuh keep allyuh cyat in foreign in truth.

Its not what your country can do for you, its what you can do for your country.

I endorse dis statement :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: elan on May 16, 2009, 06:20:30 PM
trini is meh birthplace,good or bad this is where i will retire.

Walk wit yuh satellite dish no TNT USA so no basketball 4 yuh
we go look tru de neighbour window together. ;)

It eh have window in T&T.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on May 16, 2009, 06:24:56 PM
trini is meh birthplace,good or bad this is where i will retire.

Walk wit yuh satellite dish no TNT USA so no basketball 4 yuh
we go look tru de neighbour window together. ;)

It eh have window in T&T.

Yeah boi tings dat baddddddddd
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: dinho on May 16, 2009, 06:38:58 PM
Remember, nobody eh saying they NOT coming back, just not right now. I believe the country is in a mess, a big one.

But I give myself 6/7 more years in the US and I am heading back.

you think it going and be better by then?
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on May 16, 2009, 06:40:01 PM
Remember, nobody eh saying they NOT coming back, just not right now. I believe the country is in a mess, a big one.

But I give myself 6/7 more years in the US and I am heading back.

you think it going and be better by then?

Cosign
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: dinho on May 16, 2009, 06:40:44 PM
Remember, nobody eh saying they NOT coming back, just not right now. I believe the country is in a mess, a big one.

But I give myself 6/7 more years in the US and I am heading back.

you think it going and be better by then?

Cosign

stop that shit nuh..
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: giggsy11 on May 16, 2009, 06:43:54 PM
Returning home and reinvesting in the country was a topic of discussion when I was in primary school in the 70s, people were not doing it then for whatever reasons. Today the reasons may be the same or different but bottomline it is nothing new. I think all the complaints being stated is so easy for people abroad tuh find all kinds of reasons not tuh return home and I am sure some are based on, people settled and have families and all that; For me it would be easier because I can just pick up and go wherever whenever; right opportunity presents itself and I am right back in the mix. I happy tuh bath in cold water inside or outside; it have people building showers in this country so they can bath outside.

But that said if we have something to offer that will help make a difference in our birthplace then we should try because it is after all where we got the foundation tuh come up here and make it. And it rell easy tuh say this and dat but how is the negative attitude helping?  To many times it seems people come here and adopt all the ways of Americans and forget their values and get caught up in this damn rat race that you have tuh be a part of tuh survive. I have friend who all she dos do is bad talk Trinidad like Trinidad do something tuh she, please! Like people in this country doh consider she an outsider!
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on May 16, 2009, 06:52:05 PM
Remember, nobody eh saying they NOT coming back, just not right now. I believe the country is in a mess, a big one.

But I give myself 6/7 more years in the US and I am heading back.

you think it going and be better by then?

Cosign

stop that shit nuh..

Make meh yuh name man
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Dutty on May 16, 2009, 06:52:46 PM

You eh paying no bills because nobody daring to come up dey to cut your lights or phone. If yuh is T&TEC and try that, men waiting for yuh at the bottom of the pole.
:D :D


[/quote]
Its not what your country can do for you, its what you can do for your country.
[/quote]

aaah boy yuh get yankee-ized..remember yuh hadda type dem quote with ah high brow boston/new england accent eh
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on May 16, 2009, 07:01:53 PM
Returning home and reinvesting in the country was a topic of discussion when I was in primary school in the 70s, people were not doing it then for whatever reasons. Today the reasons may be the same or different but bottomline it is nothing new. I think all the complaints being stated is so easy for people abroad tuh find all kinds of reasons not tuh return home and I am sure some are based on, people settled and have families and all that; For me it would be easier because I can just pick up and go wherever whenever; right opportunity presents itself and I am right back in the mix. I happy tuh bath in cold water inside or outside; it have people building showers in this country so they can bath outside.

But that said if we have something to offer that will help make a difference in our birthplace then we should try because it is after all where we got the foundation tuh come up here and make it. And it rell easy tuh say this and dat but how is the negative attitude helping?  To many times it seems people come here and adopt all the ways of Americans and forget their values and get caught up in this damn rat race that you have tuh be a part of tuh survive. I have friend who all she dos do is bad talk Trinidad like Trinidad do something tuh she, please! Like people in this country doh consider she an outsider!

I have a friend dey in d UK her sis eh want 2 c TNT. Their mudder over 70 and senality kickin in she would not come home 2 c d woman. She just come from goin 2 d UK. I waitin 4 she 2 c if when dey lady dies if she comin 2 d funeral. Dey betta buy 2 casket because like if she come she go dead
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: rotatopoti3 on May 16, 2009, 07:23:48 PM
Wha d hell wrong with some ah Allyuh...

Allyuh crying down we blasted country....

Dont be Brainwashed by others SO CALLED TRINI's who wouldnt set foot on we home soil but quick to point out how bad d country is

I have travelled and lived in many areas of this world and I will tell you from personal experiences we have such a RICH CULTURE at home that others wish they had it as good as we...

Aye lots of good things happening in TNT....Free education, free health care, social development programs, awarding of scholarships, more housing for people....

Our downfalls may be lackadaisical attitudes, procrastination, doe study it mentality....but at d end of d day...it goe get done... TOO MUCH IRRESPONSIBLE MEDIA COVERAGE..from so called journalist who hone there skills in A levels in GP and calling demself journalist....

Omarldinho....great post.... Ask NOT what your country can do for you...but what you can do to make it better....

Speak proudly of TNT.....or else hold on to your new FAKED IDENTITY....but remember at d end of d day...yuh still ah TRINI at heart....doe left dem people change yuh......

Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: capodetutticapi on May 16, 2009, 07:33:01 PM

You eh paying no bills because nobody daring to come up dey to cut your lights or phone. If yuh is T&TEC and try that, men waiting for yuh at the bottom of the pole.
:D :D


Its not what your country can do for you, its what you can do for your country.
[/quote]

aaah boy yuh get yankee-ized..remember yuh hadda type dem quote with ah high brow boston/new england accent eh
[/quote]hope nobody get ah bullet in de brain. ;D
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: just cool on May 16, 2009, 10:51:00 PM
How about alyuh live in alyuh foreign country, adopted homeland, whatever alyuh want to call it and leave we with we piece of shyte for a country how about that. Just f*@K off and live in the paradise that is the US of A.

With all the bad things alyuh spewing I does be so much more comfortable when I go home than up here. There is a natural stress to living in the states. You can't rest yuh mind for a minute up here, is alaways ah tightness in your chest. You have everything thing yuh want and you can see how to get it, but......that but does cause real stress.

For me I rather have a latrine and relaxed, than have 3 and a 1/2 bath and stressed.
Yuh sure yuh not related tuh archie bunker? yuh have habbit of over simplifying life way too often bro.

that's why there are banana republics, and develope countries. develope countries work hard towards progress , whlie banana republics sit back and lounge in ah hamok. i could appreciate hard work, ah wish T&T could adopt that moto, we would be 100 times better off for it!
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: elan on May 16, 2009, 11:01:50 PM
How about alyuh live in alyuh foreign country, adopted homeland, whatever alyuh want to call it and leave we with we piece of shyte for a country how about that. Just f*@K off and live in the paradise that is the US of A.

With all the bad things alyuh spewing I does be so much more comfortable when I go home than up here. There is a natural stress to living in the states. You can't rest yuh mind for a minute up here, is alaways ah tightness in your chest. You have everything thing yuh want and you can see how to get it, but......that but does cause real stress.

For me I rather have a latrine and relaxed, than have 3 and a 1/2 bath and stressed.
Yuh sure yuh not related tuh archie bunker? yuh have habbit of over simplifying life way too often bro.

that's why there are banana republics, and develope countries. develope countries work hard towards progress , whlie banana republics sit back and lounge in ah hamok. i could appreciate hard work, ah wish T&T could adopt that moto, we would be 100 times better off for it!

Men does work hard home, not by the American standard, but men does work hard. I do every wulk up here imaginable, things I dear not dream to do back home all so I could do what I have to. I remember going on a job with two wjite men. They were roofing ah house and I had to clean the yard with allthe thrash from remodelling. After a couple hours they look down and half the yard was spick and span. You know what they tell me, that "i will make them look bad, slow down".

Don't tell me about hard wuk and back home and up here. It very difficult to work hard and live at the same time up here, unless you is the boss or you have your own business. You have to wait until you retire and could hardly walk to vacation  or travel, or is a once ah year vacation thing that planning way in advance. Home every weekend is ah vacation.

Look at the game in Nashville, how many people just ups and fly up here and fly back down. I was shocked that people actually had the opportunity and resources to do that.

Sam post he list you never accuse him about over simplyfing, when I reply in a simple manner against what Sam write you telling me I'm being trivial. Nah.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on May 16, 2009, 11:13:59 PM
How about alyuh live in alyuh foreign country, adopted homeland, whatever alyuh want to call it and leave we with we piece of shyte for a country how about that. Just f*@K off and live in the paradise that is the US of A.

With all the bad things alyuh spewing I does be so much more comfortable when I go home than up here. There is a natural stress to living in the states. You can't rest yuh mind for a minute up here, is alaways ah tightness in your chest. You have everything thing yuh want and you can see how to get it, but......that but does cause real stress.

For me I rather have a latrine and relaxed, than have 3 and a 1/2 bath and stressed.
Yuh sure yuh not related tuh archie bunker? yuh have habbit of over simplifying life way too often bro.

that's why there are banana republics, and develope countries. develope countries work hard towards progress , whlie banana republics sit back and lounge in ah hamok. i could appreciate hard work, ah wish T&T could adopt that moto, we would be 100 times better off for it!

Men does work hard home, not by the American standard, but men does work hard. I do every wulk up here imaginable, things I dear not dream to do back home all so I could do what I have to. I remember going on a job with two wjite men. They were roofing ah house and I had to clean the yard with allthe thrash from remodelling. After a couple hours they look down and half the yard was spick and span. You know what they tell me, that "i will make them look bad, slow down".

Don't tell me about hard wuk and back home and up here. It very difficult to work hard and live at the same time up here, unless you is the boss or you have your own business. You have to wait until you retire and could hardly walk to vacation  or travel, or is a once ah year vacation thing that planning way in advance. Home every weekend is ah vacation.

Look at the game in Nashville, how many people just ups and fly up here and fly back down. I was shocked that people actually had the opportunity and resources to do that.

Sam post he list you never accuse him about over simplyfing, when I reply in a simple manner against what Sam write you telling me I'm being trivial. Nah.

As my sis does say we doh tink bout all yuh in TNT because all yuh happy. We tell she come home and b happy. B4 d downturn she was not doin 2bad now tings tight like a tight jeans.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: lefty on May 16, 2009, 11:15:56 PM
How about alyuh live in alyuh foreign country, adopted homeland, whatever alyuh want to call it and leave we with we piece of shyte for a country how about that. Just f*@K off and live in the paradise that is the US of A.

With all the bad things alyuh spewing I does be so much more comfortable when I go home than up here. There is a natural stress to living in the states. You can't rest yuh mind for a minute up here, is alaways ah tightness in your chest. You have everything thing yuh want and you can see how to get it, but......that but does cause real stress.

For me I rather have a latrine and relaxed, than have 3 and a 1/2 bath and stressed.
Yuh sure yuh not related tuh archie bunker? yuh have habbit of over simplifying life way too often bro.

that's why there are banana republics, and develope countries. develope countries work hard towards progress , whlie banana republics sit back and lounge in ah hamok. i could appreciate hard work, ah wish T&T could adopt that moto, we would be 100 times better off for it!

Men does work hard home, not by the American standard, but men does work hard. I do every wulk up here imaginable, things I dear not dream to do back home all so I could do what I have to. I remember going on a job with two wjite men. They were roofing ah house and I had to clean the yard with allthe thrash from remodelling. After a couple hours they look down and half the yard was spick and span. You know what they tell me, that "i will make them look bad, slow down".

Don't tell me about hard wuk and back home and up here. It very difficult to work hard and live at the same time up here, unless you is the boss or you have your own business. You have to wait until you retire and could hardly walk to vacation  or travel, or is a once ah year vacation thing that planning way in advance. Home every weekend is ah vacation.

Look at the game in Nashville, how many people just ups and fly up here and fly back down. I was shocked that people actually had the opportunity and resources to do that.

Sam post he list you never accuse him about over simplyfing, when I reply in a simple manner against what Sam write you telling me I'm being trivial. Nah.

convenience..........................
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: makaveli on May 16, 2009, 11:41:41 PM
Often times when I talk to peo and I tell them I from trini..they like why you leave?..gov't killing your peo?(Tamil), your country is dirt poor?(the list to long)..aids rampant?(long list)..one child policy?(China)..religious oppression?(long list)...War and ethnic cleansing(Iraq,Europe)...uh should hear these peo horror stories.....we have it nice...(if uh ask me is the very countries they run to that causing Trinidad's "destruction"...BET.MTV,50 CENT,Paris Hilton,doh even talk about their political and economic policies) .it does really get me vex when "trinis" in foreign whine about conditions back home  when they have know idea the privileged position they in..... they don't even entertain the idea of going back and contributing to the land of their birth..the same land they "big up" occasionally when the situations suits them...stueps
:timeout: Yuh talking outa timin! MOST of the ppl who left trini and migrated, especially to the U.S. was underprivileged, underachieving ppl who didn't have ah prayer, so hence the reason they dashed out.

most settled in NYC BKLYN to be exact. the more ambitious left the safety and convenience of NYC and ventured to the less explored south, (FL) (TX) (GA) DC, but most stayed in BKLYN, and they lived through NYC when it was out of controll and violent.

now today the place is clean , far more safe than 25 yrs ago and peaceful, yuh think anyone mad enough after experiencing all that madness a generation ago finally tuh find peace and quality of life, tuh fall back into another unsafe mismanaged violent out of control situation simply in the name of patriotism! loud fackin stuuueeepppsss! who the hell want to be tortured all their lives!

when ppl come home to retire they want quality of life, not be a prisoner in their own home.  :shameonyou:

i know quite ah few ppl who worked hard all their young lives, they bought land and built houses in anticipation of moving  home, when they finally did, they had tuh run right back tuh foreign BC of the crime situation! some stayed and is dealing wid it to their dismay. now tell me , who the fack wants tuh deal wid dat stress in their golden ages. stuueeepppsss!

 in the first place,T&T had no right to be in this condition, we barely have 2 million ppl with a lot of economic stability under our belt tuh be underachieving.

it all comes down to missmanagement and complaisance! there's no reason for all this crime wid the minuscule land mass and tiny population we have.

T&T let down their ppl in the worst of ways, now with the crime and inflation, and the mid 80ies with unemployment and lack of opportunity, hence the reason for the mass exodus and brain drain the country suffered in the 80ies.

if yuh ask most expats if they would like tuh settle in trini, they would say most emphatically, yes! but not in the condition it's in now. and who in their right mind would want too!!!! i'm afraid sam was right.

crime is everywhere...right now I watching CNN and they highlighting that 36 school kids got killed already for the year and in an area within the space of Trinidad..36!!!..

just this Thursday ah man pull a gun out in York University(where I go to school) and shoot a security guard..uh think they highlight it in the news..uh think they highlight all the rapes that happen in and around campus no they don't... the Toronto Star puts murders and rapes on the last page of the main section..

I doh mind peo stating their disgust about the crime situation in T&T but don't try comparing Trini to  North America in terms of crime..we all in the same boat as far as I concerned...

and if one was to look at the situation objectively you would see that most of the murders take place in concentrated areas..the poor and depressed ones..not in the general pop ...JA the same thing..England the same thing..NY the same thing..Russia the same thing....I move like a king in Markham,Ont (bare Chinese) , ask me if I stepping out the car in Jane and Finch(ghetto in Toronto) nah 

right now California studying how to combat members of gangs who enlist in the army and when they come back from tour use their military training to commit crimes..uh thing Trini have it bad..it bad all over
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: makaveli on May 16, 2009, 11:56:33 PM
I listen to Michelle Obama speech today at Uni of Cali...one of the main aspects of her speech was graduates comin back to their home towns and contributing their skills to its development , if they can't come back ..they play their part setting up programs educating the neglected youth etc..

peo complaining bout Manning...pool together resources to remove him from office..finance the U.N.C, finance C.O.P finance N.A.R hell form uh own party

your a counselor..spend part of uh summers or vacation time giving advice to the youth,rape victims,young entrepreneurs in a controlled environment..

uh make uh millions or billions in foreign...buy some cars for the police ,pay for the refurbishment of a school or police station...pay for surveillance equipment at taxi stands....and highlight it in the papers if yuh want to... embarrass the gov't...

do this instead of complaining on the Express, Guardian and Newsday website how Trini get so bad...somebody just write on CNN feedback page that he failed his community cuz after he got his education he pack up and leave without even thinking about the youths like him he left behind with no positive mentors
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Babalawo on May 17, 2009, 12:05:15 AM
i will actually consider coming back when T&TEC and WASA get their act together. I cyah believe i hear people current and water does still go in the year 2009.  That can't happen here or else they would get sued
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: makaveli on May 17, 2009, 12:12:31 AM
Often times when I talk to peo and I tell them I from trini..they like why you leave?..gov't killing your peo?(Tamil), your country is dirt poor?(the list to long)..aids rampant?(long list)..one child policy?(China)..religious oppression?(long list)...War and ethnic cleansing(Iraq,Europe)...uh should hear these peo horror stories.....we have it nice...(if uh ask me is the very countries they run to that causing Trinidad's "destruction"...BET.MTV,50 CENT,Paris Hilton,doh even talk about their political and economic policies) .it does really get me vex when "trinis" in foreign whine about conditions back home  when they have know idea the privileged position they in..... they don't even entertain the idea of going back and contributing to the land of their birth..the same land they "big up" occasionally when the situations suits them...stueps
:timeout: Yuh talking outa timin! MOST of the ppl who left trini and migrated, especially to the U.S. was underprivileged, underachieving ppl who didn't have ah prayer, so hence the reason they dashed out.

most settled in NYC BKLYN to be exact. the more ambitious left the safety and convenience of NYC and ventured to the less explored south, (FL) (TX) (GA) DC, but most stayed in BKLYN, and they lived through NYC when it was out of controll and violent.

now today the place is clean , far more safe than 25 yrs ago and peaceful, yuh think anyone mad enough after experiencing all that madness a generation ago finally tuh find peace and quality of life, tuh fall back into another unsafe mismanaged violent out of control situation simply in the name of patriotism! loud fackin stuuueeepppsss! who the hell want to be tortured all their lives!

when ppl come home to retire they want quality of life, not be a prisoner in their own home.  :shameonyou:

i know quite ah few ppl who worked hard all their young lives, they bought land and built houses in anticipation of moving  home, when they finally did, they had tuh run right back tuh foreign BC of the crime situation! some stayed and is dealing wid it to their dismay. now tell me , who the fack wants tuh deal wid dat stress in their golden ages. stuueeepppsss!

 in the first place,T&T had no right to be in this condition, we barely have 2 million ppl with a lot of economic stability under our belt tuh be underachieving.

it all comes down to missmanagement and complaisance! there's no reason for all this crime wid the minuscule land mass and tiny population we have.

T&T let down their ppl in the worst of ways, now with the crime and inflation, and the mid 80ies with unemployment and lack of opportunity, hence the reason for the mass exodus and brain drain the country suffered in the 80ies.

if yuh ask most expats if they would like tuh settle in trini, they would say most emphatically, yes! but not in the condition it's in now. and who in their right mind would want too!!!! i'm afraid sam was right.

Them look for what they get...Trinidadians look for what they get....I sure it have more that 100,000 Trinis living abroad and eligible to vote..could be more..i dunno..how much of them does come back to vote?(to me the sacrifice of a return ticket and a two day time off from work is worth it) , ...bet uh bottom dollar if the powers at be know that come election time people comin out to vote them out they will get their house in order...the same principle applies to politics everywhere..the politicians cater to the needs of those who have the power to vote them out...

when last you here an expat,white person,Syrian,high class black person get murdered in Trinidad?????
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: just cool on May 17, 2009, 04:27:07 AM
Often times when I talk to peo and I tell them I from trini..they like why you leave?..gov't killing your peo?(Tamil), your country is dirt poor?(the list to long)..aids rampant?(long list)..one child policy?(China)..religious oppression?(long list)...War and ethnic cleansing(Iraq,Europe)...uh should hear these peo horror stories.....we have it nice...(if uh ask me is the very countries they run to that causing Trinidad's "destruction"...BET.MTV,50 CENT,Paris Hilton,doh even talk about their political and economic policies) .it does really get me vex when "trinis" in foreign whine about conditions back home  when they have know idea the privileged position they in..... they don't even entertain the idea of going back and contributing to the land of their birth..the same land they "big up" occasionally when the situations suits them...stueps
:timeout: Yuh talking outa timin! MOST of the ppl who left trini and migrated, especially to the U.S. was underprivileged, underachieving ppl who didn't have ah prayer, so hence the reason they dashed out.

most settled in NYC BKLYN to be exact. the more ambitious left the safety and convenience of NYC and ventured to the less explored south, (FL) (TX) (GA) DC, but most stayed in BKLYN, and they lived through NYC when it was out of controll and violent.

now today the place is clean , far more safe than 25 yrs ago and peaceful, yuh think anyone mad enough after experiencing all that madness a generation ago finally tuh find peace and quality of life, tuh fall back into another unsafe mismanaged violent out of control situation simply in the name of patriotism! loud fackin stuuueeepppsss! who the hell want to be tortured all their lives!

when ppl come home to retire they want quality of life, not be a prisoner in their own home.  :shameonyou:

i know quite ah few ppl who worked hard all their young lives, they bought land and built houses in anticipation of moving  home, when they finally did, they had tuh run right back tuh foreign BC of the crime situation! some stayed and is dealing wid it to their dismay. now tell me , who the fack wants tuh deal wid dat stress in their golden ages. stuueeepppsss!

 in the first place,T&T had no right to be in this condition, we barely have 2 million ppl with a lot of economic stability under our belt tuh be underachieving.

it all comes down to missmanagement and complaisance! there's no reason for all this crime wid the minuscule land mass and tiny population we have.

T&T let down their ppl in the worst of ways, now with the crime and inflation, and the mid 80ies with unemployment and lack of opportunity, hence the reason for the mass exodus and brain drain the country suffered in the 80ies.

if yuh ask most expats if they would like tuh settle in trini, they would say most emphatically, yes! but not in the condition it's in now. and who in their right mind would want too!!!! i'm afraid sam was right.

Them look for what they get...Trinidadians look for what they get....I sure it have more that 100,000 Trinis living abroad and eligible to vote..could be more..i dunno..how much of them does come back to vote?(to me the sacrifice of a return ticket and a two day time off from work is worth it) , ...bet uh bottom dollar if the powers at be know that come election time people comin out to vote them out they will get their house in order...the same principle applies to politics everywhere..the politicians cater to the needs of those who have the power to vote them out...

when last you here an expat,white person,Syrian,high class black person get murdered in Trinidad?????
Breds yuh come back wid the outa timin talk again! 

vote for who? yuh have two choices since the political arena gone bipartisan, the racist indian man/crook and the tie tongue crook, who before was prime minister when the madness started under his watch , or the mad fella who have on blinders and could only see up ahead like ah race horse, no peripheral view, and don't want none either. it's all one tuh me, aligators crocodiles!
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: dwolfman on May 17, 2009, 06:15:18 AM
i will actually consider coming back when T&TEC and WASA get their act together. I cyah believe i hear people current and water does still go in the year 2009.  That can't happen here or else they would get sued

If you don't pay your bill what they supposed to do?
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Sando on May 17, 2009, 08:29:18 AM
Compare the size of T&T and the list Sam have to a place the size of Canada and USA.

T&T leading. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No way, I coming home.

De ones who there in T&T good luck to them, they could come here and play talk how happy they are and after 6pm they can't go outside alone.

Doc living in Tobago, wha he know...  :devil:

Ask de people in Laventille how many people de Police kill for de year.

Brudder I does go out in d nite and I does go 2 church in Morvant and spend many nites their. It have peeps postin on dis MB who livin Morvant we eh dead we still here. So if all yuh happy in foreign gr8 but doh make it feel dat we livin in HELLLLLL. LOUDDDDDDDDDD STEUPSSSSSSSSSS. Dat is y dem Yardies does b biggin up dey self here because we does b cryin down TNT.

You probably never live no other place than T&T..

Most of us live in the States and know the best of both worlds and is in a position to make that remark. Given the size of T&T and so much problems it is not good, I can only pray for better. USA is no bed and roses either.... but we came here for a betterment and it has better me for personally. It has made me a more complete person (forget money, I am still poor), A wider and more educated person.

I do not know why we have to get cuss on this thread because we do not want to live in T&T or come back right now ?

I am sure eventually we will return home as home is our home don't matter how we feel.

But as of now, I can't see myself coming back to live. I come home 3 times a year and love it, but will not live there.

My heart is red, white and black but that don't mean I have to accept what goes on in the country.

T&T have so much potential to do so much better than 80% of the countries in the western hempshire, but the politics is the problem.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Quags on May 17, 2009, 08:32:14 AM
I dont think is politics I think its genetics Sando. Is not the fault is the breed .
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Sando on May 17, 2009, 08:35:33 AM
I dont think is politics I think its genetics Sando. Is not the fault is the breed .

You might be on to something....

So in other words, things will get worst.. and not just T&T, around the world too. The youths is a major problem but the parents have to take blame becuase most of them not taking the time to teach their children.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Quags on May 17, 2009, 08:41:39 AM
Probably get worst . No not around the world just TNT ,the world is about the same as its always been ,is Trini devolved .Toronto getting bad but is mostly immigrants doing that .
And yeah its parents ,but the surroundings and peers not helping .But Basically is killers interbreeding .
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: verycute1 on May 17, 2009, 08:56:58 AM
i will actually consider coming back when T&TEC and WASA get their act together. I cyah believe i hear people current and water does still go in the year 2009.  That can't happen here or else they would get sued

If you don't pay your bill what they supposed to do?


I dont think he mean disconnect for nonpayment. I think he mean just when they cut it "because". Like when it ent have water on the line. Or when the pole fall and they dont know when they going and fix it. because as someone said earlier if the man come to cut the power they ent letting him. They will stand outside with a cutlass and threaten the poor worker who trying to do his job, all because they dont want to pay the bill.



Lemme give you a joke. My moms live in one of them nice areas in La Romain. 2 years ago, I went home for a couple weeks. Before I get there the phone line dead. SO she using her cell to call, going on bout 2 weeks before I reach . I reach, ask her wah happen to the landline. People cutting down the line to tief the copper. they cut it right outside the area she living in and it take out the entire block.  It happen so many times, tstt say they ent know when they fixing the lines. Since it was a "working" holiday for me, I had meh laptop so I could telecommute. But because line down, no internet either. I had to go to my father office so I could use the internet and he had two offices at the time, one in POS and one in Mayaro, so that was a ridiculous commute either way for me.

I call tstt everyday for a week because moms get tired of calling. The last call, friday morning I get pissed because the lady on the phone had a bit of an attitude. I flip out and start to cuss. Tell her how I fly home to the motherland and this the shyte I hadda deal with, tell her meh yankee husband laughing at the whole not knowing when they might send a repair tech out, and he planning to tell all his friends. Tell her I cant hold meh head up fus the man making me feel bad. Tell her when I go home I writing article bout it warning people that they might not have internet and phone in this developing country.  Not that I thought any thing would come of it but you girl was pissed.

You know that same friday bout 2pm tstt truck roll up the street and the man hop out to tell me lines back on? Miss lady call the house, not asking for my moms, but for me to ask if service satisfactory? And the 'net to now, don't stay out for more than a day if it goes out at all.

Never thought I see anything like that. Friday at 2pm.  Ent man supposed to be knocking off work by noon so they could go an drink?

Now I ent know if my call had anything to do with it. Could be that they had already scheduled to fix the pole that day and just decided to drive by to make sure I knew so that I wouldnt call them back. Could be it was scheduled for the next week and they move it up, again so I stop calling. I dont know. But I will admit, I was pleasantly suprised at the communication by the repairmen and then again by the customer service rep on the monday.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Dutty on May 17, 2009, 09:42:57 AM
I dont think is politics I think its genetics Sando. Is not the fault is the breed .

yuh ever hear if yuh pour pitchoil too close to fire sometimes it does jump back and bun yuh han
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: elan on May 17, 2009, 11:58:33 AM
Compare the size of T&T and the list Sam have to a place the size of Canada and USA.

T&T leading. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No way, I coming home.

De ones who there in T&T good luck to them, they could come here and play talk how happy they are and after 6pm they can't go outside alone.

Doc living in Tobago, wha he know...  :devil:

Ask de people in Laventille how many people de Police kill for de year.

Brudder I does go out in d nite and I does go 2 church in Morvant and spend many nites their. It have peeps postin on dis MB who livin Morvant we eh dead we still here. So if all yuh happy in foreign gr8 but doh make it feel dat we livin in HELLLLLL. LOUDDDDDDDDDD STEUPSSSSSSSSSS. Dat is y dem Yardies does b biggin up dey self here because we does b cryin down TNT.

You probably never live no other place than T&T..

Most of us live in the States and know the best of both worlds and is in a position to make that remark. Given the size of T&T and so much problems it is not good, I can only pray for better. USA is no bed and roses either.... but we came here for a betterment and it has better me for personally. It has made me a more complete person (forget money, I am still poor), A wider and more educated person.

I do not know why we have to get cuss on this thread because we do not want to live in T&T or come back right now ?

I am sure eventually we will return home as home is our home don't matter how we feel.

But as of now, I can't see myself coming back to live. I come home 3 times a year and love it, but will not live there.

My heart is red, white and black but that don't mean I have to accept what goes on in the country.

T&T have so much potential to do so much better than 80% of the countries in the western hempshire, but the politics is the problem.

:BS: How many people have been given the oportunity to become complete people in T&T? You could head out to UWI and do yuh do.
 I experience both worlds. This right here is the problem with many people out here, people back home eh know nothing and because you live out here some how you are superior to those back home. Why? Explain to me why they can't know?

In the USA for foreigner you mainly have no choice but to work hard and become successful. Drop the ball for a minute nah? Why don't you?
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: STEUPS!! on May 17, 2009, 12:57:29 PM
Compare the size of T&T and the list Sam have to a place the size of Canada and USA.

T&T leading. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No way, I coming home.

De ones who there in T&T good luck to them, they could come here and play talk how happy they are and after 6pm they can't go outside alone.

Doc living in Tobago, wha he know...  :devil:

Ask de people in Laventille how many people de Police kill for de year.

Brudder I does go out in d nite and I does go 2 church in Morvant and spend many nites their. It have peeps postin on dis MB who livin Morvant we eh dead we still here. So if all yuh happy in foreign gr8 but doh make it feel dat we livin in HELLLLLL. LOUDDDDDDDDDD STEUPSSSSSSSSSS. Dat is y dem Yardies does b biggin up dey self here because we does b cryin down TNT.

You probably never live no other place than T&T..

Most of us live in the States and know the best of both worlds and is in a position to make that remark. Given the size of T&T and so much problems it is not good, I can only pray for better. USA is no bed and roses either.... but we came here for a betterment and it has better me for personally. It has made me a more complete person (forget money, I am still poor), A wider and more educated person.

I do not know why we have to get cuss on this thread because we do not want to live in T&T or come back right now ?I am sure eventually we will return home as home is our home don't matter how we feel.

But as of now, I can't see myself coming back to live. I come home 3 times a year and love it, but will not live there.

My heart is red, white and black but that don't mean I have to accept what goes on in the country.

T&T have so much potential to do so much better than 80% of the countries in the western hempshire, but the politics is the problem.

d reason allyuh gettin cuss is becuz allyuh wasting down T&T like if we is dog shit down here an biggin up allyuh self jus becuz allyuh livin foreign. jus like how u were able to move to foreign an become successful, it have endless trinis, some jus like allyuh who bad talkin d country, had to humble deyself and move back home because dey cudn't make it up dey.

 good for those of u who were able to make a life 4 allyuh selves in foreign but doh waste down d rest of us who workin hard to make a name 4 weself back home.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on May 17, 2009, 01:40:35 PM
Compare the size of T&T and the list Sam have to a place the size of Canada and USA.

T&T leading. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No way, I coming home.

De ones who there in T&T good luck to them, they could come here and play talk how happy they are and after 6pm they can't go outside alone.

Doc living in Tobago, wha he know...  :devil:

Ask de people in Laventille how many people de Police kill for de year.

Brudder I does go out in d nite and I does go 2 church in Morvant and spend many nites their. It have peeps postin on dis MB who livin Morvant we eh dead we still here. So if all yuh happy in foreign gr8 but doh make it feel dat we livin in HELLLLLL. LOUDDDDDDDDDD STEUPSSSSSSSSSS. Dat is y dem Yardies does b biggin up dey self here because we does b cryin down TNT.

You probably never live no other place than T&T..

Most of us live in the States and know the best of both worlds and is in a position to make that remark. Given the size of T&T and so much problems it is not good, I can only pray for better. USA is no bed and roses either.... but we came here for a betterment and it has better me for personally. It has made me a more complete person (forget money, I am still poor), A wider and more educated person.

I do not know why we have to get cuss on this thread because we do not want to live in T&T or come back right now ?I am sure eventually we will return home as home is our home don't matter how we feel.

But as of now, I can't see myself coming back to live. I come home 3 times a year and love it, but will not live there.

My heart is red, white and black but that don't mean I have to accept what goes on in the country.

T&T have so much potential to do so much better than 80% of the countries in the western hempshire, but the politics is the problem.

d reason allyuh gettin cuss is becuz allyuh wasting down T&T like if we is dog shit down here an biggin up allyuh self jus becuz allyuh livin foreign. jus like how u were able to move to foreign an become successful, it have endless trinis, some jus like allyuh who bad talkin d country, had to humble deyself and move back home because dey cudn't make it up dey.

 good for those of u who were able to make a life 4 allyuh selves in foreign but doh waste down d rest of us who workin hard to make a name 4 weself back home.

WELL SAID & COSIGN
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: verycute1 on May 17, 2009, 03:35:02 PM
Compare the size of T&T and the list Sam have to a place the size of Canada and USA.

T&T leading. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No way, I coming home.

De ones who there in T&T good luck to them, they could come here and play talk how happy they are and after 6pm they can't go outside alone.

Doc living in Tobago, wha he know...  :devil:

Ask de people in Laventille how many people de Police kill for de year.

Brudder I does go out in d nite and I does go 2 church in Morvant and spend many nites their. It have peeps postin on dis MB who livin Morvant we eh dead we still here. So if all yuh happy in foreign gr8 but doh make it feel dat we livin in HELLLLLL. LOUDDDDDDDDDD STEUPSSSSSSSSSS. Dat is y dem Yardies does b biggin up dey self here because we does b cryin down TNT.

You probably never live no other place than T&T..

Most of us live in the States and know the best of both worlds and is in a position to make that remark. Given the size of T&T and so much problems it is not good, I can only pray for better. USA is no bed and roses either.... but we came here for a betterment and it has better me for personally. It has made me a more complete person (forget money, I am still poor), A wider and more educated person.

I do not know why we have to get cuss on this thread because we do not want to live in T&T or come back right now ?I am sure eventually we will return home as home is our home don't matter how we feel.

But as of now, I can't see myself coming back to live. I come home 3 times a year and love it, but will not live there.

My heart is red, white and black but that don't mean I have to accept what goes on in the country.

T&T have so much potential to do so much better than 80% of the countries in the western hempshire, but the politics is the problem.

d reason allyuh gettin cuss is becuz allyuh wasting down T&T like if we is dog shit down here an biggin up allyuh self jus becuz allyuh livin foreign. jus like how u were able to move to foreign an become successful, it have endless trinis, some jus like allyuh who bad talkin d country, had to humble deyself and move back home because dey cudn't make it up dey.

 good for those of u who were able to make a life 4 allyuh selves in foreign but doh waste down d rest of us who workin hard to make a name 4 weself back home.


WELL SAID & COSIGN


I dont think any of the harshness directed at anyone who doing that. Is directed at those who dont want to work and want every thing handed to them on a silver platter or else at gunpoint. Mad props to those who remain back home and working hard. May everything you wish for, you get.


As for being on both sides.... when I was growing up in T&T I had a nice live. Faddah wukkin in the oil, money flowing. Princess spoilt too bad. Then the father and I fall out. He want me to go UWI and study Law or Medicine, I say I want to do something else. I always like design, wanted to do interior decorating. My father laugh at me and tell me as long as I living in his house I go do what he want. I cash in my bank account, buy a ticket and reach US. Didnt know how to cook, never live alone, never even went grocery shopping by myself, but suddenly I on my own. Work meh ass off for years put myself through school here no student loans. Had some stuff happen to me I wouldnt wish on meh worse enemy. But kept at it and now reach in a comfortable life. Truthfully at any point over those years I could have stopped and gone home to the family. Back to a nice life. But everything I have here, I work for. Is mine. Nobody taking it away. I cant explain it better than that. You hadda be willing to work. Do matter if you here or there.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: dinho on May 17, 2009, 03:59:02 PM

I dont think any of the harshness directed at anyone who doing that. Is directed at those who dont want to work and want every thing handed to them on a silver platter or else at gunpoint. Mad props to those who remain back home and working hard. May everything you wish for, you get.


As for being on both sides.... when I was growing up in T&T I had a nice live. Faddah wukkin in the oil, money flowing. Princess spoilt too bad. Then the father and I fall out. He want me to go UWI and study Law or Medicine, I say I want to do something else. I always like design, wanted to do interior decorating. My father laugh at me and tell me as long as I living in his house I go do what he want. I cash in my bank account, buy a ticket and reach US. Didnt know how to cook, never live alone, never even went grocery shopping by myself, but suddenly I on my own. Work meh ass off for years put myself through school here no student loans. Had some stuff happen to me I wouldnt wish on meh worse enemy. But kept at it and now reach in a comfortable life. Truthfully at any point over those years I could have stopped and gone home to the family. Back to a nice life. But everything I have here, I work for. Is mine. Nobody taking it away. I cant explain it better than that. You hadda be willing to work. Do matter if you here or there.

at any point you couldve gone back to a nice life you say?

i think thats the crux of the argument right there.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on May 17, 2009, 04:12:23 PM

I dont think any of the harshness directed at anyone who doing that. Is directed at those who dont want to work and want every thing handed to them on a silver platter or else at gunpoint. Mad props to those who remain back home and working hard. May everything you wish for, you get.


As for being on both sides.... when I was growing up in T&T I had a nice live. Faddah wukkin in the oil, money flowing. Princess spoilt too bad. Then the father and I fall out. He want me to go UWI and study Law or Medicine, I say I want to do something else. I always like design, wanted to do interior decorating. My father laugh at me and tell me as long as I living in his house I go do what he want. I cash in my bank account, buy a ticket and reach US. Didnt know how to cook, never live alone, never even went grocery shopping by myself, but suddenly I on my own. Work meh ass off for years put myself through school here no student loans. Had some stuff happen to me I wouldnt wish on meh worse enemy. But kept at it and now reach in a comfortable life. Truthfully at any point over those years I could have stopped and gone home to the family. Back to a nice life. But everything I have here, I work for. Is mine. Nobody taking it away. I cant explain it better than that. You hadda be willing to work. Do matter if you here or there.

at any point you couldve gone back to a nice life you say?

i think thats the crux of the argument right there.

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Exactly nutten beats sweet TNT
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: WestCoast on May 17, 2009, 04:20:27 PM
As for being on both sides.... when I was growing up in T&T I had a nice live. Faddah wukkin in the oil, money flowing. Princess spoilt too bad. Then the father and I fall out. He want me to go UWI and study Law or Medicine, I say I want to do something else. I always like design, wanted to do interior decorating. My father laugh at me and tell me as long as I living in his house I go do what he want. I cash in my bank account, buy a ticket and reach US. Didnt know how to cook, never live alone, never even went grocery shopping by myself, but suddenly I on my own. Work meh ass off for years put myself through school here no student loans. Had some stuff happen to me I wouldnt wish on meh worse enemy. But kept at it and now reach in a comfortable life. Truthfully at any point over those years I could have stopped and gone home to the family. Back to a nice life. But everything I have here, I work for. Is mine. Nobody taking it away. I cant explain it better than that. You hadda be willing to work. Do matter if you here or there.
yeah since I am 19 I have lived by my own devices
have tried to get back as often as possible when the money allows it
Tobago is my HOOK ;)
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: verycute1 on May 17, 2009, 05:03:54 PM

I dont think any of the harshness directed at anyone who doing that. Is directed at those who dont want to work and want every thing handed to them on a silver platter or else at gunpoint. Mad props to those who remain back home and working hard. May everything you wish for, you get.


As for being on both sides.... when I was growing up in T&T I had a nice live. Faddah wukkin in the oil, money flowing. Princess spoilt too bad. Then the father and I fall out. He want me to go UWI and study Law or Medicine, I say I want to do something else. I always like design, wanted to do interior decorating. My father laugh at me and tell me as long as I living in his house I go do what he want. I cash in my bank account, buy a ticket and reach US. Didnt know how to cook, never live alone, never even went grocery shopping by myself, but suddenly I on my own. Work meh ass off for years put myself through school here no student loans. Had some stuff happen to me I wouldnt wish on meh worse enemy. But kept at it and now reach in a comfortable life. Truthfully at any point over those years I could have stopped and gone home to the family. Back to a nice life. But everything I have here, I work for. Is mine. Nobody taking it away. I cant explain it better than that. You hadda be willing to work. Do matter if you here or there.

at any point you couldve gone back to a nice life you say?

i think thats the crux of the argument right there.


yep, a nice live given to me by daddy. You miss the rest of it. Nobody give me what I have now. well except for the car  :devil: :devil: :devil:

I work my ass off for what I have and appreciate anyone else who work for what they have.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: giggsy11 on May 17, 2009, 05:55:28 PM
One of the reasons I did not move back is because I felt I experienced Trinidad and American and I want to move to another country to experience somewhere different/culture. I will also like my kids tuh have the option of chosing from 3 different passports and tuh experience a few different cultures. But all roads will lead back tuh where it all started.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: elan on May 17, 2009, 08:17:38 PM
Meh daughter started crying this morning when I told her she is not a Trini. I told her when she could say "aye gyul, yuh mudder callin yuh" she will be able to go to trini.  ;D
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on May 17, 2009, 08:20:18 PM
Meh daughter started crying this morning when I told her she is not a Trini. I told her when she could say "aye gyul, yuh mudder callin yuh" she will be able to go to trini.  ;D

I go call Chirren Services 4 yuh.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Dutty on May 17, 2009, 08:41:27 PM
Meh daughter started crying this morning when I told her she is not a Trini. I told her when she could say "aye gyul, yuh mudder callin yuh" she will be able to go to trini.  ;D

the litmus test for mine is a steups....try as she might she cyah figure out how to do it atall atall
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on May 17, 2009, 08:51:03 PM
Meh daughter started crying this morning when I told her she is not a Trini. I told her when she could say "aye gyul, yuh mudder callin yuh" she will be able to go to trini.  ;D

the litmus test for mine is a steups....try as she might she cyah figure out how to do it atall atall

All yuh need a school how wit item 1 on d curriculum how 2 make yuh chile Trini.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on May 18, 2009, 04:56:31 AM
How to be a true Trini

It was not without trepidation that I ventured onto the new overpass. Knowing what I do about how motorists pelt down the Beetham Highway with a velocity great enough to rock your slow-moving vehicle with displaced air, I cannot get the image out of my head of the overpass being used as a launching pad: cars smashing through the concrete barriers, careening into Xtra Foods in Grand Bazaar.

As I crept up the overpass, the residual confetti gathered up by the wind lined the shoulder. Only moments before there was the grand opening, complete with a helicopter appearance by none other than Bunji Garlin (long banana, king banana?)…and there they were as expected.

Never-see-come-sees lined up on the shoulder taking an emergency gape! Some gazed in wonderment at the flag erected just for that day flapping wildly in the breeze. What dark magic has wrought this creation! Others were taking photographs of Grand Bazaar to send for relatives abroad who have been clamour-ing for a better angle of the shopping complex for the photo album.
That motorists had to be reminded that this practice is illegal is no surprise because there are some things that Trinis are seemingly genetically programmed to do and neither the law nor other admonishments can hold sway in the face of the omnipotent Trini “own way.” I thought it would be useful to give the uninitiated an introduction to the peculiar behaviours and speech that truly define us as a nation.

Let us start with the typical beach excursion (say excurshun). When travelling in smaller groups of two or three cars it is essential to stop (en route to the destination) on the shoulder of a major highway and dip into the trunk for the foil-covered giant cauldron of duck and other pots of rice and accompanying side dishes. The “sweet” plates are doled out to eager hands armed only with a curiously supple spork. The highway railing is drafted as seating for this impromptu roadside feast of pelau or curry seasoned with airborne grit and liberally applied maxi exhaust. You see the food will spoil if you wait until you arrive at the river or beach.

If the group is larger, substitute an ancient bus that most assuredly has escaped inspection. The lurching, rattling conveyance is covered with crudely painted murals: on the broadside you will see a replication of Da Vinci’s Last Supper, except that Peter, Paul and company are all dreads seated before an ital spread. It is a mystery how the bus driver manages to stay on the road with a hundred bells ringing in his cranium as his passengers build up to a frenzied pre-water’s edge fevered ritual. It is as much a part of the long weekend as are the “he went into the water and got into difficulty” headlines.

Years ago I went to cover two tragic drownings at Maracas Bay. One witness trembled as she spoke because of the chilling wind on her still damp “whole suit of clothes” swimming outfit: “Is all ah we was here when we see de fellas out dere. Den dey start playing some ‘help help game’ but nobody ain’t take dem on.” I had to have her clarify, only to confirm that the young men’s cries for assistance were perceived as some sort of prank. There is also something about the value of the Trini assurance, often delivered with such confidence that the hapless dupe relents in most circumstances.

“He! Doh study he, he ain’t go do yuh nuttin! Heeza imps!”… the words generally heard before you are mauled by the pot hound menacing the yard you have just been lured into. Funny thing is that the dog’s bared teeth and steady advance were unambiguous, yet you listened to the clown waving you in from the steps. Trini mechanics are equipped with a skill that is particularly deadly when used against women. To most of us and specifically women (come on, you know it is true), whatever engineering is concealed beneath the hood of a car, it might as well be the Hadron collider.

Naturally when your car limps into a mechanic’s garage the most present concern burrowing into the brain is the looming bill. You are put at ease, after having described the vehicle’s symptoms, with just three words, “Dais small ting!” Of course a few days and three phone calls later, small ting turns into, “Hear nah, is when we went een we find dat de manifold crack so dat ha’ to come out. Furder to dat you have a coolant leak …brap brap brap.”

No one ever said the Trini is not silver-tongued. That is why on your flight back from Tobago you are sitting in your seat wondering how a simple conversation at Crown Point Airport found it’s natural conclusion in the acquisition of three pounds of benay balls, which, I do not care what anyone says, are bird feeders. Yes, Trinis know how to drive a bargain. My friends will remember this story. We were stranded in Tobago during the coup attempt for three weeks; any longer and I would have returned with an accent. Our meagre vacation budgets were depleted, so with just a fistful of dollars we stepped into a parlour and picked up a tin of corned beef and a loaf of bread.

We approached a wizened Chinese man who looked at us and said, “Is really $7 …but take it fuh nine nah.” I am not sure if he was using a faulty abacus, but he got his $9 because that story has an unlimited shelf life so it was worth the extra two. The Trini work ethic is also very much a part of our culture. How many of us are awakened in the morning not to the mellifluous notes offered from a wire by a yellow-breasted bird but by a gaggle of cussbuds from the regional corporation who change out of their good clothes and hang them on your fence so the front of your house looks like lower Frederick Street.

They pester you relentlessly for “ice water” to soothe their parched throats, no doubt rendered so from the punishing work of reading the papers in the shade of the neighbour’s trees. You may consider this odd but when pondering these peculiarities, I think fondly of the country I live in. Often we are burdened with the stresses of poor judgment of our governance, a self-castrated opposition, a soca president and a pall of economic gloom hanging over our heads.

It does warm the heart to ruminate on the small stuff that gives you a guffaw when you are driving by yourself. The mailman who says “leave the gate open so I could drop off the mails!” The gas station attendant who refuses your tip offer to check the engine oil: “Boss it too hot out here fuh dat yes!” The beautiful television presenter who smiles when she says “ the south African cricketeers” Leave this country? The bandits have to come better than that!

Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: just cool on May 18, 2009, 06:34:59 AM
Meh daughter started crying this morning when I told her she is not a Trini. I told her when she could say "aye gyul, yuh mudder callin yuh" she will be able to go to trini.  ;D

the litmus test for mine is a steups....try as she might she cyah figure out how to do it atall atall

All yuh need a school how wit item 1 on d curriculum how 2 make yuh chile Trini.
Well my mother and sisters blitz my yutes from day one , so they know how tuh stuueeppss eat mango and luv roti like they from barackpore.

my first born son has been to trini, but no one else.

they don't talk trini but they understand it to ah tee.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Babalawo on May 18, 2009, 02:08:39 PM
i will actually consider coming back when T&TEC and WASA get their act together. I cyah believe i hear people current and water does still go in the year 2009.  That can't happen here or else they would get sued

If you don't pay your bill what they supposed to do?
man i aint talking bout that. I mean innocent people WASA messing up their service. Today in Mon Repos, a stone throw away for the big water tanks on sando hill, resisdents have no water. What kinda service is that. I hope they give the people money back who pay their bills
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: verycute1 on May 18, 2009, 02:12:00 PM
Meh daughter started crying this morning when I told her she is not a Trini. I told her when she could say "aye gyul, yuh mudder callin yuh" she will be able to go to trini.  ;D

the litmus test for mine is a steups....try as she might she cyah figure out how to do it atall atall

All yuh need a school how wit item 1 on d curriculum how 2 make yuh chile Trini.
Well my mother and sisters blitz my yutes from day one , so they know how tuh stuueeppss eat mango and luv roti like they from barackpore.

my first born son has been to trini, but no one else.

they don't talk trini but they understand it to ah tee.

My lil man spends more time in trini cause of school He have the trini accent, but he also have a lil brit accent too. You could hear it when he says something like "Oh I forgot"  :rotfl: :rotfl: When he comes home on vacation and to see the yankee grandparents is funny as hell cause they cannot understand him.

On the flip side, Funny as hell to see the lil lady talking to her trini grandparents. They cant understand her at all but she know the trini talk good. Trying to tell the grandma she want Callaloo up to now the lady have no idea what she was asking for " grandma I want Keelllahhhloueeew'
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: just cool on May 18, 2009, 11:58:49 PM
And allyuh want ppl tuh move back home tuh dis kinda madness??  loud sstttuueeepppsss.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161479146
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Star Child on May 19, 2009, 05:30:41 AM
The service in T&T is very poor.

I could say that because I experience it, imagine you order 6 Pizza and they finish 3 having it sit there and be time you get the other 3 the first 3 cold like dog nose. The casher moving zero miles per-hour makes it worst.

Imagine my cousin waiting for a phone line 7 months now.

Imagine ah next one of my cousin water gone by them about a week now. WASA eh reach yet.

Imagine you buy a piece of clothing only to reach home and see a little tear in it and CANT take it back. If you buy something in Macy's you could return it even after 6 months, no questions asked.

Them locals could come here and try to convince themselves, go right ahead but as soon as we reach down they dogging yuh for stuff, they feel we picking money of a tree in de US. They even following de States and "Govt moves on gay rights (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=44101.msg568278#msg568278)". T&T is a follow fashion country... you think Jamaica will comply with Fargots...

Man in T&T only watch yuh to see what they can get or rob from you and they expect you to sponsor them everytime, nobody eh buying nothing for you because you come from de States and have US dollars.

Just came back from Borough Day in Point, de worst I ever experience, man getting rob infront of de police and they eh even making a move to stop them.

You change a $100 dollars in T&T and it finish like a five dollars, if you buy, bread, cheese, milk and rice de money done.

In de States you could full your fridge with $60 dollars.

Flick that, I eh coming back T&T to live.

De people feel they to smart and they driving better than you.

De government not doing anything to stablise the economy and protec de middle class. Is either yuh rich or yuh poor.

To many flaws for such a small country and I know we can do MUCH better.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Quags on May 19, 2009, 08:36:38 AM
Quote
Man in T&T only watch yuh to see what they can get or rob from you and they expect you to sponsor them everytime, nobody eh buying nothing for you because you come from de States and have US dollars.
this is the only thing ,I ent agree with ,I found everybody I met to be most generous ,especially with drinks lol ,with what they had .Even doh a complete stranger ,from my block ask me to send a ipod for him .ok .

Hear nah if I have a house with proper facilities ,and running water all the time up in toco or sumthing  I doh mine going back .
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Touches on May 19, 2009, 08:45:26 AM
Crime aside...if you have a good wuk and all the material things covered, here sweet too bad.

Everything both good and bad is what makes this place home.

it is the triumph despite all the adversity that makes every positive thing down here all the more sweeter.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: dinho on May 19, 2009, 09:03:12 AM
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Man in T&T only watch yuh to see what they can get or rob from you and they expect you to sponsor them everytime, nobody eh buying nothing for you because you come from de States and have US dollars.

Like you need to get familiarized with the "I eh get to change meh money in de bank yet nuh" line. Works every time. :beermug:

as someone who live home, in the UK and the US, I actually find that without a doubt the people who live home more genuine. You know what they bowling.

A next thing about home, which is probably the most important thing. Make sure you know people, i.e always make sure you have 'ah link'.

Make sure you know a police and maintain that relationship with a bottle of scotch every xmas.

Make sure you know somebody working in the utilities, especially TSTT.

Make sure you know somebody working in your bank.

Make sure you know somebody working BIR, Licensing and other public services.

and lastly make sure you know somebody on a carnival/fete committee.

Is about understanding yuh environment and adapting to suit. all these things does go a long way to making yuh life easier.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: fishs on May 19, 2009, 09:06:49 AM

 11:30 am Ah dosti chicken roti by Don's in the Valley an whilst yuh waiting on it yuh down an drink ah cold stag with Mc Comie an start ah shit talk that doh end till night fall. Everybody exageratting about wha ever de topic is .

Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: elan on May 19, 2009, 09:53:05 AM
And allyuh want ppl tuh move back home tuh dis kinda madness??  loud sstttuueeepppsss.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161479146

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20090519/NEWS03/905190351/1001/NEWS/Shooting+at+Maplewood+graduation+kills+one++injures+two (http://www.tennessean.com/article/20090519/NEWS03/905190351/1001/NEWS/Shooting+at+Maplewood+graduation+kills+one++injures+two)


http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2009/05/18/nr.teen.police.beating.tape.cnn (http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2009/05/18/nr.teen.police.beating.tape.cnn)


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=31f_1203044830 (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=31f_1203044830)


http://www.pcplanets.com/videoyoutube-University-Professor-Kills-3-in-Georgia-04-25-09.ZCg0Ll65XVY.shtml (http://www.pcplanets.com/videoyoutube-University-Professor-Kills-3-in-Georgia-04-25-09.ZCg0Ll65XVY.shtml)
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: STEUPS!! on May 19, 2009, 10:12:35 AM
And allyuh want ppl tuh move back home tuh dis kinda madness??  loud sstttuueeepppsss.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161479146

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20090519/NEWS03/905190351/1001/NEWS/Shooting+at+Maplewood+graduation+kills+one++injures+two (http://www.tennessean.com/article/20090519/NEWS03/905190351/1001/NEWS/Shooting+at+Maplewood+graduation+kills+one++injures+two)


http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2009/05/18/nr.teen.police.beating.tape.cnn (http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2009/05/18/nr.teen.police.beating.tape.cnn)


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=31f_1203044830 (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=31f_1203044830)


http://www.pcplanets.com/videoyoutube-University-Professor-Kills-3-in-Georgia-04-25-09.ZCg0Ll65XVY.shtml (http://www.pcplanets.com/videoyoutube-University-Professor-Kills-3-in-Georgia-04-25-09.ZCg0Ll65XVY.shtml)

or hor! doh study dem nah elan!
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Sando on May 19, 2009, 10:41:04 AM
And allyuh want ppl tuh move back home tuh dis kinda madness??  loud sstttuueeepppsss.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161479146

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20090519/NEWS03/905190351/1001/NEWS/Shooting+at+Maplewood+graduation+kills+one++injures+two (http://www.tennessean.com/article/20090519/NEWS03/905190351/1001/NEWS/Shooting+at+Maplewood+graduation+kills+one++injures+two)


http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2009/05/18/nr.teen.police.beating.tape.cnn (http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2009/05/18/nr.teen.police.beating.tape.cnn)


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=31f_1203044830 (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=31f_1203044830)


http://www.pcplanets.com/videoyoutube-University-Professor-Kills-3-in-Georgia-04-25-09.ZCg0Ll65XVY.shtml (http://www.pcplanets.com/videoyoutube-University-Professor-Kills-3-in-Georgia-04-25-09.ZCg0Ll65XVY.shtml)

America have over 300 million people and 50 States to worry about. T&T have 1.3 million and 8 boroughs.

Do the math.

For the size, T&T is alot worst.

Stop being bias, T&T has declined and the crime and kidnapping is probably the worst ever.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: 100% Barataria on May 19, 2009, 10:46:52 AM
I would
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: just cool on May 19, 2009, 11:16:38 AM
Quote
Man in T&T only watch yuh to see what they can get or rob from you and they expect you to sponsor them everytime, nobody eh buying nothing for you because you come from de States and have US dollars.
this is the only thing ,I ent agree with ,I found everybody I met to be most generous ,especially with drinks lol ,with what they had .Even doh a complete stranger ,from my block ask me to send a ipod for him .ok .

Hear nah if I have a house with proper facilities ,and running water all the time up in toco or sumthing  I doh mine going back .
Well quag, yuh real lucky. i will have tuh agree wid star child, BC when i go trini is like santa claus pay them ah visit!

santa ah broken lemme hold ah bill nah, santa buy some bears nah, santa leave dat sneakers wid meh when yuh leavin nah.

when santa gone tuh buy roti is ah list of request, but when they coming foreign i doh get shyte, plus santa have tuh pick them up in the airport, santa have tuh take them here there and every where, santa also have tuh pick up the tab for showing them a good time,

but when they traveling , they never ever visit the coconut man and full up ah bottle for santa, they don't even pick some herbs like vervine, care for all, or christmas bush.

no body doh even say lewwe put some sugar apple or balata in ah bottle and freeze and put it in they carry on for santa, not even ah bottle ah sour sop juice self , but when i going trini my suite case full ah stuff for them.

 but guess what , santa lose weight and donate his red suit tuh the salvation army, i dun wid dat! it's been three yrs now i walking wid meh hand swinging.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on May 19, 2009, 11:50:52 AM
All who have a problem with TNT stay by Uncle Sam, Cousin Liz, Brother Harper and leave we in we crime ridden, dengue dying existance.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: verycute1 on May 19, 2009, 12:05:24 PM
Quote
Man in T&T only watch yuh to see what they can get or rob from you and they expect you to sponsor them everytime, nobody eh buying nothing for you because you come from de States and have US dollars.
this is the only thing ,I ent agree with ,I found everybody I met to be most generous ,especially with drinks lol ,with what they had .Even doh a complete stranger ,from my block ask me to send a ipod for him .ok .

Hear nah if I have a house with proper facilities ,and running water all the time up in toco or sumthing  I doh mine going back .
Well quag, yuh real lucky. i will have tuh agree wid star child, BC when i go trini is like santa claus pay them ah visit!

santa ah broken lemme hold ah bill nah, santa buy some bears nah, santa leave dat sneakers wid meh when yuh leavin nah.

when santa gone tuh buy roti is ah list of request, but when they coming foreign i doh get shyte, plus santa have tuh pick them up in the airport, santa have tuh take them here there and every where, santa also have tuh pick up the tab for showing them a good time,

but when they traveling , they never ever visit the coconut man and full up ah bottle for santa, they don't even pick some herbs like vervine, care for all, or christmas bush.

no body doh even say lewwe put some sugar apple or balata in ah bottle and freeze and put it in they carry on for santa, not even ah bottle ah sour sop juice self , but when i going trini my suite case full ah stuff for them.

 but guess what , santa lose weight and donate his red suit tuh the salvation army, i dun wid dat! it's been three yrs now i walking wid meh hand swinging.


I have a friend going home for the summer. His niece just come out of "beauty school" cosmetology or whatever it is, she learn to do people hair, nails and face.

She never talk more than 3 words to him in her life, he and the mother (his sister)  fall out donkey years now because the sister too busy making chile and expecting him to send the us dollas for her.

Anyhow, miss lady graduate from hairdressing school, and want one  of them chair set up things. She want a station thing to put the curlers and irons in. She want a set of curling irons cost close to 1k US. She want a nail station thing. And guess who she want to get it all for her as a "graduation present" She Santa claus uncle who loving in the USA. An the mother vex too bad when he tell them he ent have the money. He tell her hold a lil 200 US as a present, they vex. Why people does move so?
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: just cool on May 19, 2009, 12:12:45 PM
All who have a problem with TNT stay by Uncle Sam, Cousin Liz, Brother Harper and leave we in we crime ridden, dengue dying existance.
Look how you taking it personal! all we doing is contructively critiqing the place we once called home.

hek, for the most part the reason we left was BC we was looking for opprtunities we couldn't acess @ home, so don't  take it the wrong way, rather try and understand.

yuh know the reason our country is in the delapidated state it's in is BC allyuh locals doh like no kinda constructive criticism, allyuh rather mamaguye than the truth.

mybe that's why the country is being runned like ah soup kitchen. and the only reason i could come up with it's BC the citizens are not active and stand up enough to challenge the govt. and hold them responsible. i see allyuh had a rally against crime and ppl beating bottle and drinking like is carnival.

if T&T ppl was more stand up , then the govt. would've had no other choice but tuh take the ppl seriously and put their shoulders to the wheel tuh ensure a safer more effecient running society.

is real money T&T have you know, there's no reason for the way that country is being runned into the ground, there's no way that place should be in the state it's in, no way!!
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on May 19, 2009, 12:23:50 PM
All who have a problem with TNT stay by Uncle Sam, Cousin Liz, Brother Harper and leave we in we crime ridden, dengue dying existance.
Look how you taking it personal! all we doing is contructively critiqing the place we once called home.

hek, for the most part the reason we left was BC we was looking for opprtunities we couldn't acess @ home, so don't  take it the wrong way, rather try and understand.

yuh know the reason our country is in the delapidated state it's in is BC allyuh locals doh like no kinda constructive criticism, allyuh rather mamaguye than the truth.

mybe that's why the country running away like ah that. and the only reason i could come up with it's BC the citizens are not active and stand up enough to challenge the govt. and hold them responsible. i see allyuh had a rally against crime and ppl beating bottle and drinking like is carnival.

if T&T ppl was more stand up , then the govt. would've had no other choice but tuh take the ppl seriously and put their shoulders to the wheel tuh ensure a safer more effecient running society.

is real money T&T have you know, there's no reason for the way that country is being runned into the ground, there's no way that place should be in the state it's in, no way!!

Me eh takin nutten personal I just fed up of Trinis overseas reading d online express and guardian and feel we livin in hell here. Yes we have nuff problems d vast majority of our own doin. It eh have nutten 2 do wit Manning or Panday. Last week at a Primary School sport at the barracks it had to end because a female parent was cussing. D police talk 2 her she slap d police. Dey arrest she and d sports done. D chile cryin and a parent snapping the child. So who is to blame for dat yes we in a hott mess. But guess what I read hit man get hire to kill cheerleader in d US. the world on a downward slide some just sliding faster.

So again I say stay where all yuh happy leave we in TNT some ah we happy here.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: morvant on May 19, 2009, 01:03:35 PM
cowards
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Socapro on May 19, 2009, 01:17:06 PM
cowards

Can you elaborate?
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: elan on May 19, 2009, 01:39:38 PM
And allyuh want ppl tuh move back home tuh dis kinda madness??  loud sstttuueeepppsss.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161479146

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20090519/NEWS03/905190351/1001/NEWS/Shooting+at+Maplewood+graduation+kills+one++injures+two (http://www.tennessean.com/article/20090519/NEWS03/905190351/1001/NEWS/Shooting+at+Maplewood+graduation+kills+one++injures+two)


http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2009/05/18/nr.teen.police.beating.tape.cnn (http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2009/05/18/nr.teen.police.beating.tape.cnn)


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=31f_1203044830 (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=31f_1203044830)


http://www.pcplanets.com/videoyoutube-University-Professor-Kills-3-in-Georgia-04-25-09.ZCg0Ll65XVY.shtml (http://www.pcplanets.com/videoyoutube-University-Professor-Kills-3-in-Georgia-04-25-09.ZCg0Ll65XVY.shtml)

America have over 300 million people and 50 States to worry about. T&T have 1.3 million and 8 boroughs.

Do the math.

For the size, T&T is alot worst.

Stop being bias, T&T has declined and the crime and kidnapping is probably the worst ever.

So people don't be affected? I coulda tell you that would be the "rationale" to follow. America biogger than T&T. Well where I live in T&T them things alyuh posting they would not/does not affect me.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Quags on May 19, 2009, 01:42:24 PM
cowards

Can you elaborate?
If I may .....I think he mean we coward to go back home  :rotfl:.....wham alyah fraid ah slit throat and guana so lol.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on May 19, 2009, 02:06:50 PM
And allyuh want ppl tuh move back home tuh dis kinda madness??  loud sstttuueeepppsss.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161479146

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20090519/NEWS03/905190351/1001/NEWS/Shooting+at+Maplewood+graduation+kills+one++injures+two (http://www.tennessean.com/article/20090519/NEWS03/905190351/1001/NEWS/Shooting+at+Maplewood+graduation+kills+one++injures+two)


http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2009/05/18/nr.teen.police.beating.tape.cnn (http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2009/05/18/nr.teen.police.beating.tape.cnn)


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=31f_1203044830 (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=31f_1203044830)


http://www.pcplanets.com/videoyoutube-University-Professor-Kills-3-in-Georgia-04-25-09.ZCg0Ll65XVY.shtml (http://www.pcplanets.com/videoyoutube-University-Professor-Kills-3-in-Georgia-04-25-09.ZCg0Ll65XVY.shtml)

America have over 300 million people and 50 States to worry about. T&T have 1.3 million and 8 boroughs.

Do the math.

For the size, T&T is alot worst.

Stop being bias, T&T has declined and the crime and kidnapping is probably the worst ever.

So people don't be affected? I coulda tell you that would be the "rationale" to follow. America biogger than T&T. Well where I live in T&T them things alyuh posting they would not/does not affect me.

Exactly even when I in Morvant is not d part that is at war. So again stay where all yuh is more panadol for me when I get sick and POSGH I have 2 go.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: just cool on May 19, 2009, 02:13:56 PM
All who have a problem with TNT stay by Uncle Sam, Cousin Liz, Brother Harper and leave we in we crime ridden, dengue dying existance.
Look how you taking it personal! all we doing is constructively critiquing the place we once called home.

hek, for the most part the reason we left was BC we was looking for opportunities we couldn't access @ home, so don't  take it the wrong way, rather try and understand.

yuh know the reason our country is in the dilapidated state it's in is BC allyuh locals doh like no kinda constructive criticism, allyuh rather mamaguye than the truth.

maybe that's why the country running away like ah that. and the only reason i could come up with it's BC the citizens are not active and stand up enough to challenge the govt. and hold them responsible. i see allyuh had a rally against crime and ppl beating bottle and drinking like is carnival.

if T&T ppl was more stand up , then the govt. would've had no other choice but tuh take the ppl seriously and put their shoulders to the wheel tuh ensure a safer more efficient running society.

is real money T&T have you know, there's no reason for the way that country is being runned into the ground, there's no way that place should be in the state it's in, no way!!

Me eh takin nutten personal I just fed up of Trinis overseas reading d online express and guardian and feel we livin in hell here. Yes we have nuff problems d vast majority of our own doin. It eh have nutten 2 do wit Manning or Panday. Last week at a Primary School sport at the barracks it had to end because a female parent was cussing. D police talk 2 her she slap d police. Dey arrest she and d sports done. D chile cryin and a parent snapping the child. So who is to blame for dat yes we in a hott mess. But guess what I read hit man get hire to kill cheerleader in d US. the world on a downward slide some just sliding faster.

So again I say stay where all yuh happy leave we in TNT some ah we happy here.
So whose fault it is!! the ppl!

the govt. suppose tuh keep the ppl in line! i remember talking to my old lady, great aunt and friends who lived in colonial times, my friend told me that norman swift used tuh hang a man the last Tuesday of every month.

back then the british wasn't making no forkin joke wid criminals, raperman used tuh get cat 09 tail, and the birch for stealing and raping, i hear when yuh get one crack of the birch is piss sh!t fart all @ once. 

that's how the british ruled, with an iron fist, and that's what these a$$holes in T&T need tuh walk a straight line. imagine fellas eh have no fear for man (police) or GOD, who then will stop them???

humans need some kinda fear factor tuh keep them from total anarchy, you talking bout the ppl's @ fault, but the ppl in cuba, Saudi arabia, singapore, and bermuda doh wild out like that, yuh know why? BC if they did , then the system waiting tuh put them in check!

T&T have too much bobol, and corruption, and herein lies the problem!! the govt too anyhow and lackluster!

they allow the ppl tuh run wild while they sit back on their arse and thief out the oil money, no one don't want tuh take responsibility for the state of the country, and almost every authoritative figure is involve some way or the other in wrong doing. even members on the integrity commission in bobol.

all we really need in T&T is a leader who really give, i remember NYC was real bad 15 yrs ago, and would make trini look like an amusement park, but then came gulliani with minimal effort and cleaned up the whole city, and i mean clean, .

byrant park used to be ah dump, flowing with drug dealers and derelicts, times square was the same, nostrand ave , fullton street , the E ninties, vandervare, east NY was full of crack and crime, now them places clean like ah whistle.

yuh think T&T was bad like that! back then had man shooting out for all 30 mins @ a time , and the cops was always 10 mins late for fear of bad man.

but the city clean up shop and put the squeeze on police captains tuh take responsibility for their precints and thier currupted officers.

they then cleaned up the force with internal affairs and started putting lawless fellas in jail, now all dem bad man either run out of NY or in lock down!

a city of 10 million and a little smaller than the size of trinidad has less crime and a better quality of life, thanx to a mayor who cared and didn't hang his head in defeat like his predecessors.

and as far as i know, it still have parents who does cuss and want tuh beat teachers, but the school system does ex-spell their kids and reprimand the parents, but that doh stop the police from keeping crime to a minimal.

i doh care what ppl say, when the law serious bout cleaning up the place, criminals does bolt like wild donkeys running from ah hungry lion!
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: elan on May 19, 2009, 02:18:54 PM
Okay some Stats.


Infant Mortality Rate

USA - 6.26/1000 live births
T&T - 29.93/1000 live births

Life Expectancy Rate

USA - 78.11 years
T&T - 70.86 years

Literacy Rate

USA - 99% - 15 years and over that can read and write
T&T - 98.6 - 15 years and over that can read and write


School Life Expectancy

USA - 16 years
T&T - 11 years


Education Expenditure

USA - 5.3% of GDP (2005)
T&T - 4.2% of GDP (2002)





I know what you all will pick out in these stats to use against T&T, but think about it carefully before you do so cause it could work against your argument in the long run.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Jah Gol on May 19, 2009, 03:17:11 PM
All who have a problem with TNT stay by Uncle Sam, Cousin Liz, Brother Harper and leave we in we crime ridden, dengue dying existance.
Look how you taking it personal! all we doing is contructively critiqing the place we once called home.

hek, for the most part the reason we left was BC we was looking for opprtunities we couldn't acess @ home, so don't  take it the wrong way, rather try and understand.

yuh know the reason our country is in the delapidated state it's in is BC allyuh locals doh like no kinda constructive criticism, allyuh rather mamaguye than the truth.

mybe that's why the country running away like ah that. and the only reason i could come up with it's BC the citizens are not active and stand up enough to challenge the govt. and hold them responsible. i see allyuh had a rally against crime and ppl beating bottle and drinking like is carnival.

if T&T ppl was more stand up , then the govt. would've had no other choice but tuh take the ppl seriously and put their shoulders to the wheel tuh ensure a safer more effecient running society.

is real money T&T have you know, there's no reason for the way that country is being runned into the ground, there's no way that place should be in the state it's in, no way!!

Me eh takin nutten personal I just fed up of Trinis overseas reading d online express and guardian and feel we livin in hell here. Yes we have nuff problems d vast majority of our own doin. It eh have nutten 2 do wit Manning or Panday. Last week at a Primary School sport at the barracks it had to end because a female parent was cussing. D police talk 2 her she slap d police. Dey arrest she and d sports done. D chile cryin and a parent snapping the child. So who is to blame for dat yes we in a hott mess. But guess what I read hit man get hire to kill cheerleader in d US. the world on a downward slide some just sliding faster.

So again I say stay where all yuh happy leave we in TNT some ah we happy here.
This exactly the way I feel about the discussion.

Migration is innate to civilization. People have always chosen to leave their native land to settle in places which ,in their view, provide the best opportunity to protect and further their own interests. All the foreign based posters on the board have left T&T's shores for this reason either on their own accord or that their relatives.

Reverse migration is not uncommon. However it is not without consideration to these same interests.  I think this is why so many posters are speaking about the services 'delivered' here and the generally poor level of public administration. I can understand why the security situation will be a deal breaker to many expats. However I think some posters have an apocalyptic view of T&T that will not be readily shared by many citizens of T&T.

I think ultimately anyone who's experienced a higher level of social organisation and returns to T&T has to forfeit some of the benefits previously derived from their second home. Conversely those people ought not to be surprised by the benefits enjoyed by resident T&T citizens.I am as proud to be Trinbagonian as I am proud to live in Trinidad and Tobago. 
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on May 19, 2009, 03:47:08 PM
All who have a problem with TNT stay by Uncle Sam, Cousin Liz, Brother Harper and leave we in we crime ridden, dengue dying existance.
Look how you taking it personal! all we doing is contructively critiqing the place we once called home.

hek, for the most part the reason we left was BC we was looking for opprtunities we couldn't acess @ home, so don't  take it the wrong way, rather try and understand.

yuh know the reason our country is in the delapidated state it's in is BC allyuh locals doh like no kinda constructive criticism, allyuh rather mamaguye than the truth.

mybe that's why the country running away like ah that. and the only reason i could come up with it's BC the citizens are not active and stand up enough to challenge the govt. and hold them responsible. i see allyuh had a rally against crime and ppl beating bottle and drinking like is carnival.

if T&T ppl was more stand up , then the govt. would've had no other choice but tuh take the ppl seriously and put their shoulders to the wheel tuh ensure a safer more effecient running society.

is real money T&T have you know, there's no reason for the way that country is being runned into the ground, there's no way that place should be in the state it's in, no way!!

Me eh takin nutten personal I just fed up of Trinis overseas reading d online express and guardian and feel we livin in hell here. Yes we have nuff problems d vast majority of our own doin. It eh have nutten 2 do wit Manning or Panday. Last week at a Primary School sport at the barracks it had to end because a female parent was cussing. D police talk 2 her she slap d police. Dey arrest she and d sports done. D chile cryin and a parent snapping the child. So who is to blame for dat yes we in a hott mess. But guess what I read hit man get hire to kill cheerleader in d US. the world on a downward slide some just sliding faster.

So again I say stay where all yuh happy leave we in TNT some ah we happy here.
This exactly the way I feel about the discussion.

Migration is innate to civilization. People have always chosen to leave their native land to settle in places which ,in their view, provide the best opportunity to protect and further their own interests. All the foreign based posters on the board have left T&T's shores for this reason either on their own accord or that their relatives.

Reverse migration is not uncommon. However it is not without consideration to these same interests.  I think this is why so many posters are speaking about the services 'delivered' here and the generally poor level of public administration. I can understand why the security situation will be a deal breaker to many expats. However I think some posters have an apocalyptic view of T&T that will not be readily shared by many citizens of T&T.

I think ultimately anyone who's experienced a higher level of social organisation and returns to T&T has to forfeit some of the benefits previously derived from their second home. Conversely those people ought not to be surprised by the benefits enjoyed by resident T&T citizens.I am as proud to be Trinbagonian as I am proud to live in Trinidad and Tobago. 

U eh have 2 b a returning national 2 realize dat u have 2 give up customer care. D first time I went to the US I bought a dress in Atlanta my sister say nah u spend 2 much. We went to the branch in Maryland and I get back my money I say when in TNT that go happen NEVAAAAAAAAAAAA
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Pointman on May 19, 2009, 04:19:41 PM
Would I return home to live? Hell yes!!

- All de holidays in de world
- De sweetest women in the world
- Roti and doubles
- Sunday lunch
- There's no Christmas like a trini Christmas
- Parang
- Carnival
- Fete after fete
- 2 hour lunch at de job is no scene
- De sweetest women in the world
- Lime
- Yuh could drink beers on de street
- No winter
- Yuh have a backyard i.e. yuh doh hadda pick up shit behind no dog
- Yuh could walk in yuh neighbor yard without calling first and lime, eat and drink free whole day
- Stress free living.. Ting to cry, yuh laughing
- Not everything hadda be about de almighty dollar
- Always something to break the monotony. From fetes -> Carnival -> easter -> jazz fest -> borough day -> tobago -> down de islands -> take ah lil trip for de summer -> band launch -> parang season -> fete again
- Tobago
- De beach right there
- Cosmopolitan. A black man, white man or chinee could dress in ah sari, eat roti, light deya and lime by yuh indian friends for Divali
- Yuh eh hadda deal with a society of mad people toting a setta stress and issues
- Yuh eh hadda cram on ah train or a subway
- De sweetest women in the world
Doh get tie up, trinidad real bad right now, but think of yuh computer as a magnifying glass.

It does look ten times worse than when yuh home and actually living in it.

I would love to move back home but allyuh see whey ah highlight dey? that go mash up the family!! cyar risk that atall. ;D
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Sando on May 19, 2009, 05:31:20 PM
Okay some Stats.


Infant Mortality Rate

USA - 6.26/1000 live births
T&T - 29.93/1000 live births

Life Expectancy Rate

USA - 78.11 years
T&T - 70.86 years

Literacy Rate

USA - 99% - 15 years and over that can read and write
T&T - 98.6 - 15 years and over that can read and write


School Life Expectancy

USA - 16 years
T&T - 11 years


Education Expenditure

USA - 5.3% of GDP (2005)
T&T - 4.2% of GDP (2002)

I know what you all will pick out in these stats to use against T&T, but think about it carefully before you do so cause it could work against your argument in the long run.

Where you get that Stats (Wiki ?)

Nobody here denying they are proud Trinibagoians and we all wish for a better T&T and the only reason we could lash out is because T&T has some much pontenial and yet we are so poorly managed.

Half them things on Sam list can be eliminated, like poor schools and hosptials. Animal, women and children abuse, going green, protecting our culture, local food prices etc etc.

What about corruption. Both in the government and Police force.

Imagine my sister husband died at the age of 33 and left her with 3 kids (small, 2, 4, 7) and the government gives her $500.00 TT a month. She have to pay rent, buy food, babysitter, passege to work, school books, cloths passege and support 3 kids with that. She does have a job but how much you think she gets paid ?
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Sando on May 19, 2009, 05:32:19 PM
Nobody here denying they are proud Trinibagoians and we all wish for a better T&T and the only reason we could lash out is because T&T has some much potential and yet we are so poorly managed.

Half them things on Sam list can be eliminated, like poor schools, roads and hospitals. Animal cruelty, women and children abuse, going green, protecting our culture, local food prices, agriculture etc etc.

What about corruption. Both in the government and Police force.

Imagine my sister husband died (Both tax payers) at the age of 33 and left her with 3 kids (small, 2, 4, 7) and the government gives her $500.00 TT a month. She have to pay rent, buy food, babysitter, passage to work, school books, cloths, passage to school and support 3 kids with that. She does have a job but how much you think she gets paid ?

In the US they take care of single Moms and kids. Just some people does abuse it, but the point is, they look out.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: verycute1 on May 19, 2009, 05:53:16 PM
All who have a problem with TNT stay by Uncle Sam, Cousin Liz, Brother Harper and leave we in we crime ridden, dengue dying existance.
Look how you taking it personal! all we doing is contructively critiqing the place we once called home.

hek, for the most part the reason we left was BC we was looking for opprtunities we couldn't acess @ home, so don't  take it the wrong way, rather try and understand.

yuh know the reason our country is in the delapidated state it's in is BC allyuh locals doh like no kinda constructive criticism, allyuh rather mamaguye than the truth.

mybe that's why the country running away like ah that. and the only reason i could come up with it's BC the citizens are not active and stand up enough to challenge the govt. and hold them responsible. i see allyuh had a rally against crime and ppl beating bottle and drinking like is carnival.

if T&T ppl was more stand up , then the govt. would've had no other choice but tuh take the ppl seriously and put their shoulders to the wheel tuh ensure a safer more effecient running society.

is real money T&T have you know, there's no reason for the way that country is being runned into the ground, there's no way that place should be in the state it's in, no way!!

Me eh takin nutten personal I just fed up of Trinis overseas reading d online express and guardian and feel we livin in hell here. Yes we have nuff problems d vast majority of our own doin. It eh have nutten 2 do wit Manning or Panday. Last week at a Primary School sport at the barracks it had to end because a female parent was cussing. D police talk 2 her she slap d police. Dey arrest she and d sports done. D chile cryin and a parent snapping the child. So who is to blame for dat yes we in a hott mess. But guess what I read hit man get hire to kill cheerleader in d US. the world on a downward slide some just sliding faster.

So again I say stay where all yuh happy leave we in TNT some ah we happy here.


Perhaps my dear you could persuade Marcia Henville to write some articles or two??? I am sure that her quality of writing, and the undercover work she could do, she will produce glowing articles about how the well mannered, well spoken, productive members of Lavantille managed to wrest one of their own away from the hands of the corrupt cops. She can even mention that the residents had their own ballistics experts on hand  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

In all truth Weary, the online express and guardian is the only daily updates many of us have bout the country. Unless the BOMB and Punch have them too (them papers still around?) You can't blame us for reading what the local papers are printing daily and forming conclusions based on that. Why not get a bunch of people together and start your own unbiased reporting website? I'd check it out daily. We make do with what we have. Right now that is the express and Guardian. truthfully I stop looking at them very much though. I have family based in brooklyn, everyday that woman used to call me in tears "Oh god I just get done reading the newspapers and it bad back home.... they kill XXX more people and is how they kill them" I had to tell her stop calling me with them shyte. I tell her I want to enjoy meh vacations with out feeling like I have to look over my shoulder. Gone home now, want to go visit old "haunts" moms say "we really do go down there anymore nah, place dead and it have some people live there only want to rob you" Is them get me so scared of the Beetham, I feel like I need Obama entourage to be drivin through there.

Anyhow, I will be there soon and I feel like making a lime down the islands, after I check you at the Buddah of course  :beermug: :beermug: :beermug:

Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: 100% Barataria on May 19, 2009, 07:00:21 PM
All who have a problem with TNT stay by Uncle Sam, Cousin Liz, Brother Harper and leave we in we crime ridden, dengue dying existance.
Look how you taking it personal! all we doing is contructively critiqing the place we once called home.

hek, for the most part the reason we left was BC we was looking for opprtunities we couldn't acess @ home, so don't  take it the wrong way, rather try and understand.

yuh know the reason our country is in the delapidated state it's in is BC allyuh locals doh like no kinda constructive criticism, allyuh rather mamaguye than the truth.

mybe that's why the country running away like ah that. and the only reason i could come up with it's BC the citizens are not active and stand up enough to challenge the govt. and hold them responsible. i see allyuh had a rally against crime and ppl beating bottle and drinking like is carnival.

if T&T ppl was more stand up , then the govt. would've had no other choice but tuh take the ppl seriously and put their shoulders to the wheel tuh ensure a safer more effecient running society.

is real money T&T have you know, there's no reason for the way that country is being runned into the ground, there's no way that place should be in the state it's in, no way!!

Me eh takin nutten personal I just fed up of Trinis overseas reading d online express and guardian and feel we livin in hell here. Yes we have nuff problems d vast majority of our own doin. It eh have nutten 2 do wit Manning or Panday. Last week at a Primary School sport at the barracks it had to end because a female parent was cussing. D police talk 2 her she slap d police. Dey arrest she and d sports done. D chile cryin and a parent snapping the child. So who is to blame for dat yes we in a hott mess. But guess what I read hit man get hire to kill cheerleader in d US. the world on a downward slide some just sliding faster.

So again I say stay where all yuh happy leave we in TNT some ah we happy here.
This exactly the way I feel about the discussion.

Migration is innate to civilization. People have always chosen to leave their native land to settle in places which ,in their view, provide the best opportunity to protect and further their own interests. All the foreign based posters on the board have left T&T's shores for this reason either on their own accord or that their relatives.

Reverse migration is not uncommon. However it is not without consideration to these same interests.  I think this is why so many posters are speaking about the services 'delivered' here and the generally poor level of public administration. I can understand why the security situation will be a deal breaker to many expats. However I think some posters have an apocalyptic view of T&T that will not be readily shared by many citizens of T&T.

I think ultimately anyone who's experienced a higher level of social organisation and returns to T&T has to forfeit some of the benefits previously derived from their second home. Conversely those people ought not to be surprised by the benefits enjoyed by resident T&T citizens.I am as proud to be Trinbagonian as I am proud to live in Trinidad and Tobago. 

Good post JG, note, not all foreign-based posters will not return, many left TT for some of the reasons you highlighted above, but many would return in a heart-beat but for one reason or another have not yet done so, many folks w/whom I went to undergrad and grad school and in the same or close cohorts have returned...it may just seem from the foreign-based posters on this forum as if the majority would not return, I myself am familiar w/many who have....would be an interesting poll to see what that distribution truly looks like
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Jah Gol on May 19, 2009, 07:57:39 PM
All who have a problem with TNT stay by Uncle Sam, Cousin Liz, Brother Harper and leave we in we crime ridden, dengue dying existance.
Look how you taking it personal! all we doing is contructively critiqing the place we once called home.

hek, for the most part the reason we left was BC we was looking for opprtunities we couldn't acess @ home, so don't  take it the wrong way, rather try and understand.

yuh know the reason our country is in the delapidated state it's in is BC allyuh locals doh like no kinda constructive criticism, allyuh rather mamaguye than the truth.

mybe that's why the country running away like ah that. and the only reason i could come up with it's BC the citizens are not active and stand up enough to challenge the govt. and hold them responsible. i see allyuh had a rally against crime and ppl beating bottle and drinking like is carnival.

if T&T ppl was more stand up , then the govt. would've had no other choice but tuh take the ppl seriously and put their shoulders to the wheel tuh ensure a safer more effecient running society.

is real money T&T have you know, there's no reason for the way that country is being runned into the ground, there's no way that place should be in the state it's in, no way!!

Me eh takin nutten personal I just fed up of Trinis overseas reading d online express and guardian and feel we livin in hell here. Yes we have nuff problems d vast majority of our own doin. It eh have nutten 2 do wit Manning or Panday. Last week at a Primary School sport at the barracks it had to end because a female parent was cussing. D police talk 2 her she slap d police. Dey arrest she and d sports done. D chile cryin and a parent snapping the child. So who is to blame for dat yes we in a hott mess. But guess what I read hit man get hire to kill cheerleader in d US. the world on a downward slide some just sliding faster.

So again I say stay where all yuh happy leave we in TNT some ah we happy here.
This exactly the way I feel about the discussion.

Migration is innate to civilization. People have always chosen to leave their native land to settle in places which ,in their view, provide the best opportunity to protect and further their own interests. All the foreign based posters on the board have left T&T's shores for this reason either on their own accord or that their relatives.

Reverse migration is not uncommon. However it is not without consideration to these same interests.  I think this is why so many posters are speaking about the services 'delivered' here and the generally poor level of public administration. I can understand why the security situation will be a deal breaker to many expats. However I think some posters have an apocalyptic view of T&T that will not be readily shared by many citizens of T&T.

I think ultimately anyone who's experienced a higher level of social organisation and returns to T&T has to forfeit some of the benefits previously derived from their second home. Conversely those people ought not to be surprised by the benefits enjoyed by resident T&T citizens.I am as proud to be Trinbagonian as I am proud to live in Trinidad and Tobago. 

Good post JG, note, not all foreign-based posters will not return, many left TT for some of the reasons you highlighted above, but many would return in a heart-beat but for one reason or another have not yet done so, many folks w/whom I went to undergrad and grad school and in the same or close cohorts have returned...it may just seem from the foreign-based posters on this forum as if the majority would not return, I myself am familiar w/many who have....would be an interesting poll to see what that distribution truly looks like
The Caribbean has some of the highest immigration rates in the world. It really would be interesting to see how many of us return home.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on May 19, 2009, 09:25:21 PM
Okay some Stats.


Infant Mortality Rate

USA - 6.26/1000 live births
T&T - 29.93/1000 live births

Life Expectancy Rate

USA - 78.11 years
T&T - 70.86 years

Literacy Rate

USA - 99% - 15 years and over that can read and write
T&T - 98.6 - 15 years and over that can read and write


School Life Expectancy

USA - 16 years
T&T - 11 years


Education Expenditure

USA - 5.3% of GDP (2005)
T&T - 4.2% of GDP (2002)

I know what you all will pick out in these stats to use against T&T, but think about it carefully before you do so cause it could work against your argument in the long run.

Where you get that Stats (Wiki ?)

Nobody here denying they are proud Trinibagoians and we all wish for a better T&T and the only reason we could lash out is because T&T has some much pontenial and yet we are so poorly managed.

Half them things on Sam list can be eliminated, like poor schools and hosptials. Animal, women and children abuse, going green, protecting our culture, local food prices etc etc.

What about corruption. Both in the government and Police force.

Imagine my sister husband died at the age of 33 and left her with 3 kids (small, 2, 4, 7) and the government gives her $500.00 TT a month. She have to pay rent, buy food, babysitter, passege to work, school books, cloths passege and support 3 kids with that. She does have a job but how much you think she gets paid ?

So if she was in d US and d husband had died she would b taken care of perfect. At $500 a month what benefits is that she getting? Did he ever work and pay NIS so she can get Widows and Orphans. Even if is only that she getting. Enrol d 4 yr old in a govt preschool and d 7 yr old should b in primary school gettin books and could get lunch and breakfast if the school have it.

TNT is more of a wlfare state than nuff places we eh sweden or Norway but we eh so badly off.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on May 19, 2009, 09:30:54 PM
All who have a problem with TNT stay by Uncle Sam, Cousin Liz, Brother Harper and leave we in we crime ridden, dengue dying existance.
Look how you taking it personal! all we doing is contructively critiqing the place we once called home.

hek, for the most part the reason we left was BC we was looking for opprtunities we couldn't acess @ home, so don't  take it the wrong way, rather try and understand.

yuh know the reason our country is in the delapidated state it's in is BC allyuh locals doh like no kinda constructive criticism, allyuh rather mamaguye than the truth.

mybe that's why the country running away like ah that. and the only reason i could come up with it's BC the citizens are not active and stand up enough to challenge the govt. and hold them responsible. i see allyuh had a rally against crime and ppl beating bottle and drinking like is carnival.

if T&T ppl was more stand up , then the govt. would've had no other choice but tuh take the ppl seriously and put their shoulders to the wheel tuh ensure a safer more effecient running society.

is real money T&T have you know, there's no reason for the way that country is being runned into the ground, there's no way that place should be in the state it's in, no way!!

Me eh takin nutten personal I just fed up of Trinis overseas reading d online express and guardian and feel we livin in hell here. Yes we have nuff problems d vast majority of our own doin. It eh have nutten 2 do wit Manning or Panday. Last week at a Primary School sport at the barracks it had to end because a female parent was cussing. D police talk 2 her she slap d police. Dey arrest she and d sports done. D chile cryin and a parent snapping the child. So who is to blame for dat yes we in a hott mess. But guess what I read hit man get hire to kill cheerleader in d US. the world on a downward slide some just sliding faster.

So again I say stay where all yuh happy leave we in TNT some ah we happy here.


Perhaps my dear you could persuade Marcia Henville to write some articles or two??? I am sure that her quality of writing, and the undercover work she could do, she will produce glowing articles about how the well mannered, well spoken, productive members of Lavantille managed to wrest one of their own away from the hands of the corrupt cops. She can even mention that the residents had their own ballistics experts on hand  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

In all truth Weary, the online express and guardian is the only daily updates many of us have bout the country. Unless the BOMB and Punch have them too (them papers still around?) You can't blame us for reading what the local papers are printing daily and forming conclusions based on that. Why not get a bunch of people together and start your own unbiased reporting website? I'd check it out daily. We make do with what we have. Right now that is the express and Guardian. truthfully I stop looking at them very much though. I have family based in brooklyn, everyday that woman used to call me in tears "Oh god I just get done reading the newspapers and it bad back home.... they kill XXX more people and is how they kill them" I had to tell her stop calling me with them shyte. I tell her I want to enjoy meh vacations with out feeling like I have to look over my shoulder. Gone home now, want to go visit old "haunts" moms say "we really do go down there anymore nah, place dead and it have some people live there only want to rob you" Is them get me so scared of the Beetham, I feel like I need Obama entourage to be drivin through there.

Anyhow, I will be there soon and I feel like making a lime down the islands, after I check you at the Buddah of course  :beermug: :beermug: :beermug:



I know dat is yuh connection 2 home when I in d US I on it evry day 2 c what happening at home. My sis stop reading it because of d same crime left right and centre. D point is most of u have somebody back home 2 give u a view that will not make u feel dat we teachin chirren 2 stop/drop/roll in school.

So my sis came home 2 yrs ago and knock and yes d Beetham bad but when was it good?

Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: just cool on May 19, 2009, 09:53:44 PM
All who have a problem with TNT stay by Uncle Sam, Cousin Liz, Brother Harper and leave we in we crime ridden, dengue dying existance.
Look how you taking it personal! all we doing is contructively critiqing the place we once called home.

hek, for the most part the reason we left was BC we was looking for opprtunities we couldn't acess @ home, so don't  take it the wrong way, rather try and understand.

yuh know the reason our country is in the delapidated state it's in is BC allyuh locals doh like no kinda constructive criticism, allyuh rather mamaguye than the truth.

mybe that's why the country running away like ah that. and the only reason i could come up with it's BC the citizens are not active and stand up enough to challenge the govt. and hold them responsible. i see allyuh had a rally against crime and ppl beating bottle and drinking like is carnival.

if T&T ppl was more stand up , then the govt. would've had no other choice but tuh take the ppl seriously and put their shoulders to the wheel tuh ensure a safer more effecient running society.

is real money T&T have you know, there's no reason for the way that country is being runned into the ground, there's no way that place should be in the state it's in, no way!!

Me eh takin nutten personal I just fed up of Trinis overseas reading d online express and guardian and feel we livin in hell here. Yes we have nuff problems d vast majority of our own doin. It eh have nutten 2 do wit Manning or Panday. Last week at a Primary School sport at the barracks it had to end because a female parent was cussing. D police talk 2 her she slap d police. Dey arrest she and d sports done. D chile cryin and a parent snapping the child. So who is to blame for dat yes we in a hott mess. But guess what I read hit man get hire to kill cheerleader in d US. the world on a downward slide some just sliding faster.

So again I say stay where all yuh happy leave we in TNT some ah we happy here.
This exactly the way I feel about the discussion.

Migration is innate to civilization. People have always chosen to leave their native land to settle in places which ,in their view, provide the best opportunity to protect and further their own interests. All the foreign based posters on the board have left T&T's shores for this reason either on their own accord or that their relatives.

Reverse migration is not uncommon. However it is not without consideration to these same interests.  I think this is why so many posters are speaking about the services 'delivered' here and the generally poor level of public administration. I can understand why the security situation will be a deal breaker to many expats. However I think some posters have an apocalyptic view of T&T that will not be readily shared by many citizens of T&T.

I think ultimately anyone who's experienced a higher level of social organisation and returns to T&T has to forfeit some of the benefits previously derived from their second home. Conversely those people ought not to be surprised by the benefits enjoyed by resident T&T citizens.I am as proud to be Trinbagonian as I am proud to live in Trinidad and Tobago. 

Good post JG, note, not all foreign-based posters will not return, many left TT for some of the reasons you highlighted above, but many would return in a heart-beat but for one reason or another have not yet done so, many folks w/whom I went to undergrad and grad school and in the same or close cohorts have returned...it may just seem from the foreign-based posters on this forum as if the majority would not return, I myself am familiar w/many who have....would be an interesting poll to see what that distribution truly looks like
The Caribbean has some of the highest immigration rates in the world. It really would be interesting to see how many of us return home.
To each is own. it have ppl who could live in T&T BC they have a solid base, friends, a thriving career, strong and loving family ties, iron clad support system with circle of friends and loveones tuh rely on. but some of us don't have that @ all.

take me forinstance, all my relatives are here, i have an aunt by marriage and a few worthless cousins in T&T, but that's it.

yeh i have some frienimies, but i can't depend on them tuh kill ah fly of me, let alone rely on them for any kinda moral support.

when i go home i does stay in ah hotel, and i doh visit no relatives as of late. llike i said , i have ah few frienimies who always have their hands out, so i don't have that much of a draw tuh T&T, it's sad but true!

 i always believe if yuh going home to live, then it should be comfortable. ppl should not have tuh worry about criminals and safty!

if i have tuh leave NYC tuh live in T&T and lose all the convenience of living in the develope world, to go live in an unmanage society, then what is the point! to me it's giving up a lot to recieve less!

i rather go live on one of them little islands where ah fella could @ least live with some sort of peace of mind, knowing the society have law men who looking out for the ppl, and the tourist ;D, also where the criminals are not so brazen. 

not in a place where the cops scared and the ppl more scared, what kinda forkry is that. sttuueeepppsss!
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on May 19, 2009, 10:24:46 PM
All who have a problem with TNT stay by Uncle Sam, Cousin Liz, Brother Harper and leave we in we crime ridden, dengue dying existance.
Look how you taking it personal! all we doing is contructively critiqing the place we once called home.

hek, for the most part the reason we left was BC we was looking for opprtunities we couldn't acess @ home, so don't  take it the wrong way, rather try and understand.

yuh know the reason our country is in the delapidated state it's in is BC allyuh locals doh like no kinda constructive criticism, allyuh rather mamaguye than the truth.

mybe that's why the country running away like ah that. and the only reason i could come up with it's BC the citizens are not active and stand up enough to challenge the govt. and hold them responsible. i see allyuh had a rally against crime and ppl beating bottle and drinking like is carnival.

if T&T ppl was more stand up , then the govt. would've had no other choice but tuh take the ppl seriously and put their shoulders to the wheel tuh ensure a safer more effecient running society.

is real money T&T have you know, there's no reason for the way that country is being runned into the ground, there's no way that place should be in the state it's in, no way!!

Me eh takin nutten personal I just fed up of Trinis overseas reading d online express and guardian and feel we livin in hell here. Yes we have nuff problems d vast majority of our own doin. It eh have nutten 2 do wit Manning or Panday. Last week at a Primary School sport at the barracks it had to end because a female parent was cussing. D police talk 2 her she slap d police. Dey arrest she and d sports done. D chile cryin and a parent snapping the child. So who is to blame for dat yes we in a hott mess. But guess what I read hit man get hire to kill cheerleader in d US. the world on a downward slide some just sliding faster.

So again I say stay where all yuh happy leave we in TNT some ah we happy here.
This exactly the way I feel about the discussion.

Migration is innate to civilization. People have always chosen to leave their native land to settle in places which ,in their view, provide the best opportunity to protect and further their own interests. All the foreign based posters on the board have left T&T's shores for this reason either on their own accord or that their relatives.

Reverse migration is not uncommon. However it is not without consideration to these same interests.  I think this is why so many posters are speaking about the services 'delivered' here and the generally poor level of public administration. I can understand why the security situation will be a deal breaker to many expats. However I think some posters have an apocalyptic view of T&T that will not be readily shared by many citizens of T&T.

I think ultimately anyone who's experienced a higher level of social organisation and returns to T&T has to forfeit some of the benefits previously derived from their second home. Conversely those people ought not to be surprised by the benefits enjoyed by resident T&T citizens.I am as proud to be Trinbagonian as I am proud to live in Trinidad and Tobago. 

Good post JG, note, not all foreign-based posters will not return, many left TT for some of the reasons you highlighted above, but many would return in a heart-beat but for one reason or another have not yet done so, many folks w/whom I went to undergrad and grad school and in the same or close cohorts have returned...it may just seem from the foreign-based posters on this forum as if the majority would not return, I myself am familiar w/many who have....would be an interesting poll to see what that distribution truly looks like
The Caribbean has some of the highest immigration rates in the world. It really would be interesting to see how many of us return home.
To each is own. it have ppl who could live in T&T BC they have a solid base, friends, a thriving career, strong and loving family ties, iron clad support system with circle of friends and loveones tuh rely on. and some of us don't have that @ all.

take me forinstance, all my relatives are here, i have an aunt by marriage and a few worthless cousins in T&T, but that's it.

yeh i have some frienimies, but i can't depend on them tuh kill ah fly of me, let alone rely on them for any kinda moral support.

when i go home i does stay in ah hotel, and i doh visit no relatives as of late. llike i said , i have ah few frienimies who always have their hands out, so i don't have that much of a draw tuh T&T, it's sad but true!

 i always believe if yuh going home to live, then it should be comfortable. ppl should not have tuh worry about criminals and safty!

if i have tuh leave NYC tuh live in T&T and lose all the convenience of living in the develope world, to go live in an unmanage society, then what is the point! to me it's giving up a lot to recieve less!

i rather go live on one of them little islands where ah fella could @ least live with some sort of peace of mind, knowing the society have law men who looking out for the ppl, and the tourist ;D, where the criminals are not so brazen. 

not in a place where the cops scared and the ppl more scared, what kinda forkry is that. sttuueeepppsss!

If u have no ties 2 d place y would u come back. U keep harping on d crime d scene dat play out in Picton eh d norm in TNT. D vast majority of d 200plus peeps who get kill is gang related yes innocent peeps could get rob and kill like my gfriend fadder in jan but taxi drivers get kill everywhere.

I wuk police 4 over 2 yrs d majority is hard wukin peeps now I in education d majority of d teachers are hard wukin but d bad eggs does b highlighted. Dat is what u guys see the worse side of TNT. Just look at dis site peeps become tight just postin on a MB. Brown makin sure she meet and tag Jah so he eh go lost in bago. Dat is d Trini way
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: verycute1 on May 19, 2009, 11:14:11 PM
All who have a problem with TNT stay by Uncle Sam, Cousin Liz, Brother Harper and leave we in we crime ridden, dengue dying existance.
Look how you taking it personal! all we doing is contructively critiqing the place we once called home.

hek, for the most part the reason we left was BC we was looking for opprtunities we couldn't acess @ home, so don't  take it the wrong way, rather try and understand.

yuh know the reason our country is in the delapidated state it's in is BC allyuh locals doh like no kinda constructive criticism, allyuh rather mamaguye than the truth.

mybe that's why the country running away like ah that. and the only reason i could come up with it's BC the citizens are not active and stand up enough to challenge the govt. and hold them responsible. i see allyuh had a rally against crime and ppl beating bottle and drinking like is carnival.

if T&T ppl was more stand up , then the govt. would've had no other choice but tuh take the ppl seriously and put their shoulders to the wheel tuh ensure a safer more effecient running society.

is real money T&T have you know, there's no reason for the way that country is being runned into the ground, there's no way that place should be in the state it's in, no way!!

Me eh takin nutten personal I just fed up of Trinis overseas reading d online express and guardian and feel we livin in hell here. Yes we have nuff problems d vast majority of our own doin. It eh have nutten 2 do wit Manning or Panday. Last week at a Primary School sport at the barracks it had to end because a female parent was cussing. D police talk 2 her she slap d police. Dey arrest she and d sports done. D chile cryin and a parent snapping the child. So who is to blame for dat yes we in a hott mess. But guess what I read hit man get hire to kill cheerleader in d US. the world on a downward slide some just sliding faster.

So again I say stay where all yuh happy leave we in TNT some ah we happy here.


Perhaps my dear you could persuade Marcia Henville to write some articles or two??? I am sure that her quality of writing, and the undercover work she could do, she will produce glowing articles about how the well mannered, well spoken, productive members of Lavantille managed to wrest one of their own away from the hands of the corrupt cops. She can even mention that the residents had their own ballistics experts on hand  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

In all truth Weary, the online express and guardian is the only daily updates many of us have bout the country. Unless the BOMB and Punch have them too (them papers still around?) You can't blame us for reading what the local papers are printing daily and forming conclusions based on that. Why not get a bunch of people together and start your own unbiased reporting website? I'd check it out daily. We make do with what we have. Right now that is the express and Guardian. truthfully I stop looking at them very much though. I have family based in brooklyn, everyday that woman used to call me in tears "Oh god I just get done reading the newspapers and it bad back home.... they kill XXX more people and is how they kill them" I had to tell her stop calling me with them shyte. I tell her I want to enjoy meh vacations with out feeling like I have to look over my shoulder. Gone home now, want to go visit old "haunts" moms say "we really do go down there anymore nah, place dead and it have some people live there only want to rob you" Is them get me so scared of the Beetham, I feel like I need Obama entourage to be drivin through there.

Anyhow, I will be there soon and I feel like making a lime down the islands, after I check you at the Buddah of course  :beermug: :beermug: :beermug:



I know dat is yuh connection 2 home when I in d US I on it evry day 2 c what happening at home. My sis stop reading it because of d same crime left right and centre. D point is most of u have somebody back home 2 give u a view that will not make u feel dat we teachin chirren 2 stop/drop/roll in school.

So my sis came home 2 yrs ago and knock and yes d Beetham bad but when was it good?



 An what you going do when the views of your peeps back home mirror the views expressed in the papers? MY moms sometimes says, the place not really bad but you just have to know where not to go, which seems to be everywhere

Some of her lectures from my last visit

Like don't drive up to Maracas with just two people, take at least 5
Doh go down high st in sando.
Doh go by the wharf in sando
DOh park in the parking lot by Sando general Hospital
Doh go down frederick st unless you have to
Long Circular Mall is no longer a nice mall shop at west mall instead, or trincity
Parking in Gulf City make it easy to get rob so doh go there unless you have to. Or until they finish construction
wallerfield is no longer a nice area,  dont drive down there anymore


and so on....

Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on May 20, 2009, 12:06:07 AM
All who have a problem with TNT stay by Uncle Sam, Cousin Liz, Brother Harper and leave we in we crime ridden, dengue dying existance.
Look how you taking it personal! all we doing is contructively critiqing the place we once called home.

hek, for the most part the reason we left was BC we was looking for opprtunities we couldn't acess @ home, so don't  take it the wrong way, rather try and understand.

yuh know the reason our country is in the delapidated state it's in is BC allyuh locals doh like no kinda constructive criticism, allyuh rather mamaguye than the truth.

mybe that's why the country running away like ah that. and the only reason i could come up with it's BC the citizens are not active and stand up enough to challenge the govt. and hold them responsible. i see allyuh had a rally against crime and ppl beating bottle and drinking like is carnival.

if T&T ppl was more stand up , then the govt. would've had no other choice but tuh take the ppl seriously and put their shoulders to the wheel tuh ensure a safer more effecient running society.

is real money T&T have you know, there's no reason for the way that country is being runned into the ground, there's no way that place should be in the state it's in, no way!!

Me eh takin nutten personal I just fed up of Trinis overseas reading d online express and guardian and feel we livin in hell here. Yes we have nuff problems d vast majority of our own doin. It eh have nutten 2 do wit Manning or Panday. Last week at a Primary School sport at the barracks it had to end because a female parent was cussing. D police talk 2 her she slap d police. Dey arrest she and d sports done. D chile cryin and a parent snapping the child. So who is to blame for dat yes we in a hott mess. But guess what I read hit man get hire to kill cheerleader in d US. the world on a downward slide some just sliding faster.

So again I say stay where all yuh happy leave we in TNT some ah we happy here.


Perhaps my dear you could persuade Marcia Henville to write some articles or two??? I am sure that her quality of writing, and the undercover work she could do, she will produce glowing articles about how the well mannered, well spoken, productive members of Lavantille managed to wrest one of their own away from the hands of the corrupt cops. She can even mention that the residents had their own ballistics experts on hand  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

In all truth Weary, the online express and guardian is the only daily updates many of us have bout the country. Unless the BOMB and Punch have them too (them papers still around?) You can't blame us for reading what the local papers are printing daily and forming conclusions based on that. Why not get a bunch of people together and start your own unbiased reporting website? I'd check it out daily. We make do with what we have. Right now that is the express and Guardian. truthfully I stop looking at them very much though. I have family based in brooklyn, everyday that woman used to call me in tears "Oh god I just get done reading the newspapers and it bad back home.... they kill XXX more people and is how they kill them" I had to tell her stop calling me with them shyte. I tell her I want to enjoy meh vacations with out feeling like I have to look over my shoulder. Gone home now, want to go visit old "haunts" moms say "we really do go down there anymore nah, place dead and it have some people live there only want to rob you" Is them get me so scared of the Beetham, I feel like I need Obama entourage to be drivin through there.

Anyhow, I will be there soon and I feel like making a lime down the islands, after I check you at the Buddah of course  :beermug: :beermug: :beermug:



I know dat is yuh connection 2 home when I in d US I on it evry day 2 c what happening at home. My sis stop reading it because of d same crime left right and centre. D point is most of u have somebody back home 2 give u a view that will not make u feel dat we teachin chirren 2 stop/drop/roll in school.

So my sis came home 2 yrs ago and knock and yes d Beetham bad but when was it good?



 An what you going do when the views of your peeps back home mirror the views expressed in the papers? MY moms sometimes says, the place not really bad but you just have to know where not to go, which seems to be everywhere

Some of her lectures from my last visit

Like don't drive up to Maracas with just two people, take at least 5
Doh go down high st in sando.
Doh go by the wharf in sando
DOh park in the parking lot by Sando general Hospital
Doh go down frederick st unless you have to
Long Circular Mall is no longer a nice mall shop at west mall instead, or trincity
Parking in Gulf City make it easy to get rob so doh go there unless you have to. Or until they finish construction
wallerfield is no longer a nice area,  dont drive down there anymore


and so on....



When dat happen then we go have a mad mad scene but we know where close 2 dat. As 4 yuh mom lecture it seems dat it have very little u can do. Any where u can get rob not only Gulf in fact dey tiefin yuh car most in Trincity. Fredrick St if yuh tell meh Charlotte.

Just b careful and use would be back in d US. It eh have peeps lurking 2 grab u I will say it again d murders is gang related and of course d domestic violence. U could get rob anywhere. In 84 as a form 4 student d spanish class went Caracas. We went coney island as d roller coaster pull off a yute grab a girl chain. So she screamin twice. Crime is everywhere. I sure if yuh remove d gang stats from every state d crime rate will look betta.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Bourbon on May 20, 2009, 07:20:38 AM
Yuh know how long I trying to avoid opening dis thread because i know i go see some folly to get me vex.

First off....yuh hearing people claiming is constructive criticism. Me eh hear or see one solution yet from anybody who say dey eh coming back. Is always a blame ting. Oh is de govt. supposed to keep people in line..so tell me dis....a third of de population supposed to be normal citizens, a next third supposed to be police over the first third and the last third supposed to be the police to police the previous police? Be real. Trinidad and Tobago is in the state it in because of watless Trinis. Those who doh see no reason to do what they supposed to..cause they wont be held accountable, and dey could blame it on somebody else. Like yuh go hear oh it eh dem men in picton fault..police too wicked...dey poor..dey dis dey dat de other. It have HYPE..MUST...all kinda program where men could learn a skill and get something productive to do. But nah..it easier to rob a man who working of wha he have because he eh want to work. I remember i was talking with a TA from MUST..de man say he organise a youth man from Laventille with a job because that's how the program works. De boss of de place tell de youth man..."Yuh good with yuh hands boy....yuh want to stay permanent?" De youth man say nah..it easier to get a gun and rob people...de money go be more too. Wha yuh could do again for people with the attitude like dat? Buh nah..is always somebody else fault.

The public sector damn slack. In fact Trinis know that they eh go be held accountable...so dey doh take their responsibilities seriously. It so ironic that we lacking in our national watchwords, discipline, production and tolerance. But the thing is...is we have it so. Dahs de bottom line. Every agency in Trinidad slack. I used to work WASA and i could tell yuh....WASA forever hadda depend on the government because people doh pay dey bills. People doesn't want to pay dey bills because de billing system estimated...and still de basic system dey used since WASA inception. Dey trying to move towards metered billing, but, to implement, is real work, and de staff just slack and dragging dey foot. Ting dey could do in dey normal work day....dey go sit down and lime...and den if dey doing it..dey doing it only when dey could get pay overtime. I remember when they assign me..de man who showing me around de warehouse when he done..he say..well..is almost 12....and today is Friday..so lunch time is from 12 to 4. We laugh bout it..buh dahs de attitude. Buh i accustom working and doing wha i hadda do.....in my period there i knock off all my responsibilities and going and helping men with others and working. It was rel pressha on me but...it had some positives..so much so dat some men get shame and start to do what they had to do with a degree of seriousness. Nobody could tell yuh anything if yuh done all your work...yuh done..so if yuh want to breeze off..is no scene. Admittedly it doh always happen so...sometimes people watching yuh and vex with yuh cuz yuh doing wha yuh hadda do...and dem looking bad. In several state agencies that is de major problem...de old deadweight killing yuh zeal. And if any higher powers try to make dem accountable..de public service union go step in and make a setta backside noise. Here we have an attitude of rewarding mediocrity. Behaviours are learnt..if yuh eh getting no negative consequences for a negative action...den yuh go keep doing it. And it have no negative consequences for de slackness dat abounds in every sphere of local life. And dahs why it is how it is.

My major point is.......griping and trying to assign blame and say who at fault eh go do one damn ting. I hadda make out..and be able to stand on my own two feet. I does hadda spend 35 dollars a day in transport alone....doing a degree dat I wouldn't have been able to do if it wasn't for GATE. It hard yes...but i hadda make it. De same way and more I woulda be ketching my ass if i did take up dat scholarship in Howard cuz I did get 1480 in SAT. Buh in addition to knowing how the life is out there..and the ripple effect me leaving would have on my family...one thing i didn't want..is to come back with the attitude that I find most disgusting from most exports...dat here is de most backward waste of time place on earth...it eh have nuttin good...all it good for is to come and shake yuh backside for carnival for a week...and den buss it. Folly. Dey eh go study dat because we academic system more intensive dan the States that they able to excel and get where they are.

My philosophy in life is..nobody owe yuh nuttin.....so when somebody give yuh a bligh....say thanks..make the most of it..and return the favour to dem if possible...and if it eh possible....help out somebody else cause you know what it is to be helped. You cannot expect to be spoon fed and have everything fall into yuh lap. If nothing eh happening for you..then make something happen! Utilize every opportunity...yuh cyar be sitting down expecting ting to come easy. De only ting a black man does get easy is trouble..and I learn dat from an early age. I have a debt to this country that I would be glad to repay. I have a appreciation of persons differences that would help me be able to aclimitize to any culture in the world because i accustom seeing and appreciating persons and their similiarities and their differences. Imagine i went to school all the years of my life with the tuition fees paid. Thank God for dat too because imagine having to pay for school fees and on top of dat books..passage...all kinda ting. I make de most of wha i had so far..and I hoping to keep on advancing and contribute positively. Is one ting to say things bad..which i admit...things here can be better. But me sitting down and complaining and griping and deciding I eh coming home because tings too bad etc eh fixing nuttin. Den yuh does want to know why trinis talkin like dem from de yard and ting...because we as Trinis doh have no kinda blasted patriotism and genuine love for where we from.

If allyuh eh want to come back here...dahs aight. We done ketching we tail here with de dead weight it have already...if yuh eh going and make it better....den doh make it worse.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Jah Gol on May 20, 2009, 07:48:51 AM
Bourbon I fed up experience that. The line "Wham boy, how you workïng so hard , yuh trying to make we look bad or wha ?" is quintessentially Trinidadian.   
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: ribbit on May 20, 2009, 10:42:07 AM
all the local-based chiming in when the thread clearly addressed to those in foreign that considering a move back.

is not the people in trini that is the problem. is the norms and expectations and particularly the status quo, "we like it so" complacent mentality. to be blunt, some feel that is de mark of patriotism. this myth needs to be challenged. hopefully is like jc and sam say, the older generation taking these low expectations with dem when dey gorn.

weary, is not just express people reading, check the oecd and wec statistics on t&t. you think everything gang-related? if you doh know someone in t&t that affected by crime that NOT gang-related, go get yuh vision/hearing/senses checked.

elan, yuh leave out one of the most highly publicized stats in t&t - the murder rate since 2000.

makavelli - change schools. york u have a bad rep ;)  is de jamaicans have jane & finch so.

omar, stress eh about making a living. stress is having to "move smart" all the time.

no one mention health care in t&t. that alone give serious pause to going back.

the other thing is the exchange rate.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Jah Gol on May 20, 2009, 10:57:55 AM
all the local-based chiming in when the thread clearly addressed to those in foreign that considering a move back.

is not the people in trini that is the problem. is the norms and expectations and particularly the status quo, "we like it so" complacent mentality. to be blunt, some feel that is de mark of patriotism. this myth needs to be challenged. hopefully is like jc and sam say, the older generation taking these low expectations with dem when dey gorn.

weary, is not just express people reading, check the oecd and wec statistics on t&t. you think everything gang-related? if you doh know someone in t&t that affected by crime that NOT gang-related, go get yuh vision/hearing/senses checked.

elan, yuh leave out one of the most highly publicized stats in t&t - the murder rate since 2000.

makavelli - change schools. york u have a bad rep ;)  is de jamaicans have jane & finch so.

omar, stress eh about making a living. stress is having to "move smart" all the time.

no one mention health care in t&t. that alone give serious pause to going back.

the other thing is the exchange rate.
Clearly the question was intended for foreign based posters mainly. However that doesn't preclude local-based posters from contributing. I for one joined the discussion late for this same reason. I wanted the gauge the view of the members and make my own assessment.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Organic on May 20, 2009, 11:21:10 AM
all the local-based chiming in when the thread clearly addressed to those in foreign that considering a move back.

is not the people in trini that is the problem. is the norms and expectations and particularly the status quo, "we like it so" complacent mentality. to be blunt, some feel that is de mark of patriotism. this myth needs to be challenged. hopefully is like jc and sam say, the older generation taking these low expectations with dem when dey gorn.

weary, is not just express people reading, check the oecd and wec statistics on t&t. you think everything gang-related? if you doh know someone in t&t that affected by crime that NOT gang-related, go get yuh vision/hearing/senses checked.

elan, yuh leave out one of the most highly publicized stats in t&t - the murder rate since 2000.

makavelli - change schools. york u have a bad rep ;)  is de jamaicans have jane & finch so.

omar, stress eh about making a living. stress is having to "move smart" all the time.

no one mention health care in t&t. that alone give serious pause to going back.

the other thing is the exchange rate.
Am i allowed to chime in? i Recently moved back or am i Local now and its not aimed at me?
 People settle where they feel comfortable or happy. I know a significant of foreigners who have recently migrated to Trinidad. Yes Trinidad has problems that is as apparent as some posters biased. However its not any reason to act as anyone who chooses to  move back dotish, or making a poor decision.

Those who ney saying talking out of a feeling of regret that things changing. Things changing for both the better and worse in Trinidad. the worse just seems to be a little more blatant.

Crime is bad getting worse.
Health care not the best but its far from the worst especially if you have money its pretty good.
The same flawed education system have some ah allyuh talking big now fighting it down. But again this education system is FAR from the worst in the world.


For those who dont think they could move back..thats fine....but your experience is different from someone else's. what u want out of life is not necessarily what the other person wants. Same goes for those who chose to move back. But the vibe that allyuh fighting down trini is a bad one. Its not constructive at all.

 Crime is a reality all over the world. yes trinidad its smaller and yes it makes it worse, however the "quality" of the crimes perpetrated in trinidad pales to some committed in places you guys feel comfortable in. MUrder is murder and its inherently bad, but it says something about a society in which a students runs into a school and shoots 20 odd people etc?

As touches said earlier if you have a good income in Trinidad and have family, friends and what ever u looking for out of life  Trinidad sweet.

Omar raised a good point which i noticed while living abroad. Same "trinis" who lazy and slack here will go foreign and word 2 jobs long hours and live in one rundown place to make ends meet. Why not pull your hand like that for"your" country?

some who say they will move back to trinidad in 10-15 years when things better, why not come back now and try to make that difference? To me if this is really your home that makes more sense. Fix your place first.
 Probably whats keeping your from doing that is that your afraid you will fall back in the same old let the government do it for we mold while you back here so u just waiting to help out when things good. typcial..no?? then maybe allyuh really still trinis to the bone.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: elan on May 20, 2009, 01:01:14 PM
all the local-based chiming in when the thread clearly addressed to those in foreign that considering a move back.

is not the people in trini that is the problem. is the norms and expectations and particularly the status quo, "we like it so" complacent mentality. to be blunt, some feel that is de mark of patriotism. this myth needs to be challenged. hopefully is like jc and sam say, the older generation taking these low expectations with dem when dey gorn.

weary, is not just express people reading, check the oecd and wec statistics on t&t. you think everything gang-related? if you doh know someone in t&t that affected by crime that NOT gang-related, go get yuh vision/hearing/senses checked.

elan, yuh leave out one of the most highly publicized stats in t&t - the murder rate since 2000.

makavelli - change schools. york u have a bad rep ;)  is de jamaicans have jane & finch so.

omar, stress eh about making a living. stress is having to "move smart" all the time.

no one mention health care in t&t. that alone give serious pause to going back.

the other thing is the exchange rate.
Am i allowed to chime in? i Recently moved back or am i Local now and its not aimed at me?
 People settle where they feel comfortable or happy. I know a significant of foreigners who have recently migrated to Trinidad. Yes Trinidad has problems that is as apparent as some posters biased. However its not any reason to act as anyone who chooses to  move back dotish, or making a poor decision.

Those who ney saying talking out of a feeling of regret that things changing. Things changing for both the better and worse in Trinidad. the worse just seems to be a little more blatant.

Crime is bad getting worse.
Health care not the best but its far from the worst especially if you have money its pretty good.
The same flawed education system have some ah allyuh talking big now fighting it down. But again this education system is FAR from the worst in the world.


For those who dont think they could move back..thats fine....but your experience is different from someone else's. what u want out of life is not necessarily what the other person wants. Same goes for those who chose to move back. But the vibe that allyuh fighting down trini is a bad one. Its not constructive at all.

 Crime is a reality all over the world. yes trinidad its smaller and yes it makes it worse, however the "quality" of the crimes perpetrated in trinidad pales to some committed in places you guys feel comfortable in. MUrder is murder and its inherently bad, but it says something about a society in which a students runs into a school and shoots 20 odd people etc?

As touches said earlier if you have a good income in Trinidad and have family, friends and what ever u looking for out of life  Trinidad sweet.

Omar raised a good point which i noticed while living abroad. Same "trinis" who lazy and slack here will go foreign and word 2 jobs long hours and live in one rundown place to make ends meet. Why not pull your hand like that for"your" country?
some who say they will move back to trinidad in 10-15 years when things better, why not come back now and try to make that difference? To me if this is really your home that makes more sense. Fix your place first.
 Probably whats keeping your from doing that is that your afraid you will fall back in the same old let the government do it for we mold while you back here so u just waiting to help out when things good. typcial..no?? then maybe allyuh really still trinis to the bone.

That right there is big time. I work over here like dog. I will never do that at home, never. I meet pardners on the train who I eh see for years and they can't stop to talk or take ah lil drink. They busy heading to another job or something. In trini having two jobs is almost a sin.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: just cool on May 20, 2009, 02:29:58 PM

That right there is big time. I work over here like dog. I will never do that at home, never. I meet pardners on the train who  I eh see for years and they can't stop to talk or take ah lil drink.  They busy heading to another job or something. In trini having two jobs is almost a sin.
Breds who's fault is that! yuh want tuh blame that on america? the fact that a man could get two jobs is amazingly great bro. when i left trini, i couldn't even get ah messenger job, could you imagine holding down 2 jobs.

who said to be busy like that is ah sin, that's what great dreams are made of, man working hard towards their goals and coming through with flying colours.

when i lived in trinidad, the few places i was fortunate tuh land ah job , i saw ppl stayed home when the rain fell, or if the weather man predicted rain.

in foreign , nothing don't go like that, ppl go to work regardless and to me that's what makes these countries great, they don't stop @ nothing, maybe if T&T were to have that kinda work ethic i believe we would be further ahead and able to compete amongst the worlds greatest producers, but we luv tuh lime and drink, even during work hours!

maybe if we had the work ethic, drive and pride in achieving excellence, then just maybe we would've never been in this situation. the fact is trinbagonians need to be challenged, we are way too complaisant, and with the kind of potential we have i could see our twin island nation going places , only if we embrace hardship and commitment to excellence.

put down the bear @ 12 noon,  go the extra mile, stop running of to maracas wid yuh Secretary @ 2 pm,  start putting in the extra hour for your country's benefit, instead of limin after work volunteer your time to a yute program.

ppl are ashamed tuh admit just how really backward we are! like wim said , fellas rather hangout under a tree in maracas with ah scotch and coconut water in their hand.

the west didn't achieve all their accomplishments that help and benefit mankind the world over by liming and goofing off.

if the world was waiting for the caribbean tuh brace them with the technology we have today, we would've been stuck in the early 1900s!

nothings wrong wid hard work bro, it's what dreams are made of, trini's should try it sometime. even kevoughn connell talked about latas work ethic in training, he's never experienced that with gally, bertille and pancho, all 3rd worlders.

 yuh think latas woulda have such an intensity in his regiment if he remained in T&T and not lived abroad where he learned this work ethic and trade?
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: verycute1 on May 20, 2009, 02:46:53 PM
OK so regardless of who the thread was directed at, here's what comes out.

The question get asked "foreign based would you move back"

Foreign based say no, none of that for me I ent like what I see/read/ hear/  Not the right time for me to move back, I based here, family here. Man get slammed for answering the question because local based dont like the answer.  

Local based saying allyuh stupid for leaving and even more stupid for not wanting to come back.

Man talking bout foreign based should come home and make a change. You really feel that will work? Who we going and fine to work an honest living? Import guyanese? Reading through this thread, there is a common theme, it have people who want it easy and dont want to work. Whats the use of coming back and trying to do good if you would hardly a reliable workforce? Peep will want to roll in whenever, take 2 hour lunches and leave at noon on friday. And don't say is the Trini way because if you talking bout coming back and making a change ent some of the work habits have to change too?  All of you who like it easy and like you half a day friday and you not paying your water/electric bill and cussing the man who come to disconnect so bad he leave and ent disconnect, would you really be willing to give that up in the name of progress?

 I was looking into coming back and starting one of those call centers. You know how if you based in US and you call tech support or your credit card info or customer service, you get india? I was looking into doing something like that at home.
I get put in meh place, when it was pointed out to me, that given the type of verbal abuse some of them call centers does take from frustrated customers, and they still manage to remain polite and say thank you very much, someone ask me if I really feel that type of thing will work in T&T. Rep get cuss by a frustated customer, and will cuss them back, and the number one rule of customer service is "the customer is always right" All it would take would be one angry rep cussing out a customer to lose the whole department.  Then they brought up to me the chronic lateness Trini have. Shift supposed to start at 8, trini roll in at 9:30. How you go run a business like that. And allyuh know that is the way it is. If a man show initiative, he go get talk down for making fellow co-workers look bad. Read the thread. So scratch that idea. Nobody want to do a job where you start at the bottom and work your way up, everyone want to start on top and get paid big dollar. barring that, they going tief you.

In answer to the question would you move back, for me temporarily yes for the sake of the kid's schooling, permanently right now, no.  One of the kids already in school in Trini the next one is old enough now and if we send her, I will go too to be with both of them and before anyone start jumping on me bout taking advantage of the "free education", the boy  go private school. It ent cheap in T&T but with the conversion rate it sure as hell cheaper than the tuition here for good private schools. Here for one child cost as much as my car. So we got a good school, small, private in Trini. At the end of the year, I ent even paying quarter of what I would pay here. But the education better.

Other than school, from an economic standpoint, if me and the man move here together, we will take a huge loss. I check the hospitals and private clinics for him and the money not there. If I move back, I ent coming home to take it easy and relax, I coming to have a good life for my family. That requires work.  Based on what we saw, and the real estate prices and the salaries that were offered for both of us in our fields, it better to stay US work hard, buy a house in TT pay it off and retire there in a few years. If I come with the other child, then based on what we saw, it better for him to stay US and work and send the yankee dollar. IS not that I ent want to return. is just based on what I see, I dont think it makes sense. No use coming to try and make a change if the society ent want it.

Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: giggsy11 on May 20, 2009, 04:10:18 PM
Would I return home to live? Hell yes!!

- All de holidays in de world
- De sweetest women in the world
- Roti and doubles
- Sunday lunch
- There's no Christmas like a trini Christmas
- Parang
- Carnival
- Fete after fete
- 2 hour lunch at de job is no scene
- De sweetest women in the world
- Lime
- Yuh could drink beers on de street
- No winter
- Yuh have a backyard i.e. yuh doh hadda pick up shit behind no dog
- Yuh could walk in yuh neighbor yard without calling first and lime, eat and drink free whole day
- Stress free living.. Ting to cry, yuh laughing
- Not everything hadda be about de almighty dollar
- Always something to break the monotony. From fetes -> Carnival -> easter -> jazz fest -> borough day -> tobago -> down de islands -> take ah lil trip for de summer -> band launch -> parang season -> fete again
- Tobago
- De beach right there
- Cosmopolitan. A black man, white man or chinee could dress in ah sari, eat roti, light deya and lime by yuh indian friends for Divali
- Yuh eh hadda deal with a society of mad people toting a setta stress and issues
- Yuh eh hadda cram on ah train or a subway
- De sweetest women in the world
Doh get tie up, trinidad real bad right now, but think of yuh computer as a magnifying glass.

It does look ten times worse than when yuh home and actually living in it.

I would love to move back home but allyuh see whey ah highlight dey? that go mash up the family!! cyar risk that atall. ;D


 ;D ;D ;D Temptation to bad, I sprain muh neck jus lookin!
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: just cool on May 20, 2009, 04:33:25 PM
Yuh know ppl in the caribbean blood very close to their skin! so any kinda criticism would be taken extemely personal.

 man taking this foreign ting way too serious when there's no need to.

i believe all i saying is ppl livin here in north america and the U.K. livin basically hectic but safe lives, and would rather deal with the hustle and bustle of work than crime and medical incompetance.

i livin in NYC and does feel real safe here, even though sh!t could go down @ any time. when i in trini i does be scared and uneasy, and rightfully so, i had the displeasure of seeing friends and loveones murdered for zilch. and a few got mugged and shot but survived.

so all i saying is when the police and the govt decide tuh put crime as top prority on their list and keep it there, together with the minsitry of health, then i would concider moving back home.

 my breddren from childhood died from jundus when he didn't have to. BC they had no medication in the hospital tuh treat him after he was there for a few day.

when these simple things are denied the public,who in their right minds would want tuh leave stable north america/ U.K. for T&T, no matter how warm and sweet it may be.

in a nut shell, ppl just want to be safe and be taken care of when they get sick, but safty would be my #1 priority! i could always pay some money in st clair medical center if nessesary.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Bourbon on May 20, 2009, 04:49:30 PM
So Jus cool...leh me ask this question.....dis zeal and fevour that exports does get when dey reach america and ting....where dey does get it from? Uncle Sam does spray pherohormones into de atmosphere in every american city dat does cause yuh to want to work hard? You kno how much places looking for people to work now and nobody taking it up? Yet people cussing when dey bring in de chinese and dem to work...buh look wha happening...dem willing to work..and dem working hard. Yuh eh hadda worry bout dem coming all kinda one hour late and ting..and taking extra lunch time and ting...dem know wha dey about..and dey doing it. So why locals cant have that same attitude? Every job i ever work i approaching it just so.....do my work..done de ole talk. So why de locals who here cyar do dat too? Wha stopping dem? Dey know damn well if dey do dat in america dey go starve. But here is always somebody looking for de easy way out. No kinda consequences for anyting.

My father went england to work a time.....and de kinda work he putting down...de locals and all shame...he eh know bout tea time and ting like dat...he come to work...and he doing it. We could work..jus de problem is doing it! Dat eh nobody fault but yours if you eh want to work. I does fed up hear stories bout men who does have a tremendous work ethic when it come to repsol, BP, BG and all dem companies..and how dey does change when dey reach Petrotrin. All because dey know is a state enterprise..it local....dey attitude doh hadda be serious.

I realise dat yuh hadda be serious to get anything here..so i am. My work ethic go be de same anywhere in the world i end up because why...anything worth doing is worth doing well. And dis watlessness we have ingrained in our psyche is wha does have our football de state it in...and add to that..people getting vex and cussing wim when he say de damn truth. How much work most Pro League players does do on dey own? How much men does be like a jumbie hitting freekicks by deyself....practicing trapping..or just running for de hell of it? The only time sucess could come before work is in de dictionary...and we doh realise dat. How much national scholarship winners have a poor work ethic? How much people who achieved on the world stage achieved by having a lackadastical attitude? Not many...if any at all. Buh nah..is always somebody else fault.

As i said..behaviours does be reinforced or re-evaluated by consequences. If Trinidad was to get a dictator dat hand heavy with discipline yuh go hear complaints. Buh dis lack of discipline and dis selfishness is wha have de country in de state it in. Police corrupt....cuz dem care bout dem and dem alone. Liscencing office corrupt..cuz it paying more to do the right thing..and dey hardly likely to get ketch. Anyting could do once yuh know de correct person....a bottle of Johnny does go a long way..all kinda folly. Machine readable passport taking all kinda 18 months to get..when keith salick who never had one before get he own in a matter of days because he had to travel on tour. It eh to say it cant be done....is just dat many refuse to do it because it doh matter if dey do..or if dey dont. So when dey feel to..they do it. And if you go contrary to the grain...dey looking to buss your throat cuz you makin dem look bad.

Change hadda start with me. Tings didnt get so overnight...so yuh cyar expect it to fix overnight. Buh if it hadda fix in any short period of time..a heavy hand hadda be employed. Buh many people eh go be able to handle dat...people does done open dey mouth for petty nonsense here...everyting is a problem. So....let tings remain as they are. I know if I eh part of de solution..ize part of de problem. So..i doing wha i hadda do..might be insignificant in the whole big picture....but..at least at the end of the day..my conscience clear.

It have rel plenty more i could say eh..buh.....people go get vex.

Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: STEUPS!! on May 20, 2009, 05:24:35 PM


So Jus cool...leh me ask this question.....dis zeal and fevour that exports does get when dey reach america and ting....where dey does get it from? Uncle Sam does spray pherohormones into de atmosphere in every american city dat does cause yuh to want to work hard? You kno how much places looking for people to work now and nobody taking it up? Yet people cussing when dey bring in de chinese and dem to work...buh look wha happening...dem willing to work..and dem working hard. Yuh eh hadda worry bout dem coming all kinda one hour late and ting..and taking extra lunch time and ting...dem know wha dey about..and dey doing it. So why locals cant have that same attitude? Every job i ever work i approaching it just so.....do my work..done de ole talk. So why de locals who here cyar do dat too? Wha stopping dem? Dey know damn well if dey do dat in america dey go starve. But here is always somebody looking for de easy way out. No kinda consequences for anyting.

My father went england to work a time.....and de kinda work he putting down...de locals and all shame...he eh know bout tea time and ting like dat...he come to work...and he doing it. We could work..jus de problem is doing it! Dat eh nobody fault but yours if you eh want to work. I does fed up hear stories bout men who does have a tremendous work ethic when it come to repsol, BP, BG and all dem companies..and how dey does change when dey reach Petrotrin. All because dey know is a state enterprise..it local....dey attitude doh hadda be serious.

I realise dat yuh hadda be serious to get anything here..so i am. My work ethic go be de same anywhere in the world i end up because why...anything worth doing is worth doing well. And dis watlessness we have ingrained in our psyche is wha does have our football de state it in...and add to that..people getting vex and cussing wim when he say de damn truth. How much work most Pro League players does do on dey own? How much men does be like a jumbie hitting freekicks by deyself....practicing trapping..or just running for de hell of it? The only time sucess could come before work is in de dictionary...and we doh realise dat. How much national scholarship winners have a poor work ethic? How much people who achieved on the world stage achieved by having a lackadastical attitude? Not many...if any at all. Buh nah..is always somebody else fault.

As i said..behaviours does be reinforced or re-evaluated by consequences. If Trinidad was to get a dictator dat hand heavy with discipline yuh go hear complaints. Buh dis lack of discipline and dis selfishness is wha have de country in de state it in. Police corrupt....cuz dem care bout dem and dem alone. Liscencing office corrupt..cuz it paying more to do the right thing..and dey hardly likely to get ketch. Anyting could do once yuh know de correct person....a bottle of Johnny does go a long way..all kinda folly. Machine readable passport taking all kinda 18 months to get..when keith salick who never had one before get he own in a matter of days because he had to travel on tour. It eh to say it cant be done....is just dat many refuse to do it because it doh matter if dey do..or if dey dont. So when dey feel to..they do it. And if you go contrary to the grain...dey looking to buss your throat cuz you makin dem look bad.

Change hadda start with me. Tings didnt get so overnight...so yuh cyar expect it to fix overnight. Buh if it hadda fix in any short period of time..a heavy hand hadda be employed. Buh many people eh go be able to handle dat...people does done open dey mouth for petty nonsense here...everyting is a problem. So....let tings remain as they are. I know if I eh part of de solution..ize part of de problem. So..i doing wha i hadda do..might be insignificant in the whole big picture....but..at least at the end of the day..my conscience clear.

It have rel plenty more i could say eh..buh.....people go get vex.



bourbon, talk yuh talk padnah, doh hold back nuttin. lewwe hear yuh views
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: WestCoast on May 20, 2009, 05:31:00 PM
Bourbon,
Talk ya Talk :applause: :applause:
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Organic on May 20, 2009, 05:58:51 PM
Yuh know ppl in the caribbean blood very close to their skin! so any kinda criticism would be taken extemely personal.

 man taking this foreign ting way too serious when there's no need to.

i believe all i saying is ppl livin here in north america and the U.K. livin basically hectic but safe lives, and would rather deal with the hustle and bustle of work than crime and medical incompetance.

i livin in NYC and does feel real safe here, even though sh!t could go down @ any time. when i in trini i does be scared and uneasy, and rightfully so, i had the displeasure of seeing friends and loveones murdered for zilch. and a few got mugged and shot but survived.

so all i saying is when the police and the govt decide tuh put crime as top prority on their list and keep it there, together with the minsitry of health, then i would concider moving back home.

 my breddren from childhood died from jundus when he didn't have to. BC they had no medication in the hospital tuh treat him after he was there for a few day.

when these simple things are denied the public,who in their right minds would want tuh leave stable north america/ U.K. for T&T, no matter how warm and sweet it may be.

in a nut shell, ppl just want to be safe and be taken care of when they get sick, but safty would be my #1 priority! i could always pay some money in st clair medical center if nessesary.
The first highlighted part is the only remnants of caribeanness u seem to have at times. Few people in here blood does seem to boil like yours.

 as to the second highlighted statement. Herein lies my point. Why wait for people who doh seem like they want things to improve to try and make it better.  if the place means anything to you(ignoring your  signature for a minute, in the spirit of this conversation) and family notwithstanding, why wont u come back and make the difference? i wonder if u think u worked hard and did somehting positive for your present place of abode or if it was basically inconsequential?

VC1 why u assuming the people dont want the change? cause they voted pnm again? the usa voted bush in twice no? people do want things to get better. If it is that u think trinis to lazy to foster the change again i say all the people who outside and have all the ideas and ways to foster change, by all means come back and help us with your know how.

 there is an overall vibe u get that the foreign based who live in the states vehemently defend the US agaisnt any negative statements on this forum. And the same goes for canada. It also seems that the majority of the things they say about trini has a negative tone (and i am positive that its because they llike trini so much that they just want better for it always).


everyone feels the frustration of a society gone sour. however as sizzla said words without works cant sustain. i tell my students all the time, they should consider not criticizing an opinion or theory unless they have some suggestion of an alternative.
Lemme try ah different type of reference....... Obama's general inclination seems to be not just to criticize all the time but actually look for and implement some sort of positive change.

Overall i acknowledge there are huge problems that are being faced by Trinidad and Tobago. There are huge problems being faced by alot of places all over the world. The point that everyone seems to agree with its up to where u feel safe and or happy for what ever reason.
Just as my i may think moving back was good for me, you (plural) may not agree.  that doesnt mean i right or you wrong. Individual experience is what often determines your point of view.


Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Bourbon on May 20, 2009, 06:08:08 PM
Yuh jus hadda realise...sometimes it doh make sense telling people cuz dey go refuse to let de facts influence their opinion. Reading some ah de replies in that confrontation in laventille thread just underline dat for me. If yuh in a hole cause a man put yuh in de hole....yuh go sit down and complain and fight the other people in de hole when it have several tools dat yuh could use to get out? And even if yuh get out..yuh go leave de other people in de hole too? Take responsibility! Buh nah..it easier to blame somebody else.

I serious..some ah de attitudes i does sense from people...better allyuh doh come back for real. Doh even bother bout carnival.....cuz yuh most likely to get rob den too. De same common sense yuh hadda utilize anywhere in the world to avoid being a victim of crime...yuh hadda utilize here. It have jobs. Granted...Tobago i does feel sorry for people..jobs harder to get there....cuz when people have a job..dem holding on to it. Unless yuh know somebody....it go be difficult. But some does come here and work...so it could be done if you willing to. Once it have a will it have a way. Until we take responsibility..and say...yuh know....is people being watless have de place so.....and it cyar continue so....we go always be in dis state.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on May 20, 2009, 06:46:50 PM
Yuh jus hadda realise...sometimes it doh make sense telling people cuz dey go refuse to let de facts influence their opinion. Reading some ah de replies in that confrontation in laventille thread just underline dat for me. If yuh in a hole cause a man put yuh in de hole....yuh go sit down and complain and fight the other people in de hole when it have several tools dat yuh could use to get out? And even if yuh get out..yuh go leave de other people in de hole too? Take responsibility! Buh nah..it easier to blame somebody else.

I serious..some ah de attitudes i does sense from people...better allyuh doh come back for real. Doh even bother bout carnival.....cuz yuh most likely to get rob den too. De same common sense yuh hadda utilize anywhere in the world to avoid being a victim of crime...yuh hadda utilize here. It have jobs. Granted...Tobago i does feel sorry for people..jobs harder to get there....cuz when people have a job..dem holding on to it. Unless yuh know somebody....it go be difficult. But some does come here and work...so it could be done if you willing to. Once it have a will it have a way. Until we take responsibility..and say...yuh know....is people being watless have de place so.....and it cyar continue so....we go always be in dis state.

Pass d offering plate. D peeps in bago is like leavin yuh state 2 go elsewhere 2 work. It happens all d time. I agree doh come back because dey wit dey frighten friday look go make it easy 4 dem bandit.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: dinho on May 20, 2009, 07:11:29 PM
Bourbon you talking some sense today...

At the end of the day, its all about what Organic said: "Individual experience is what often determines your point of view."

Just Cool, you make some good points but with all due respect your view come off as kinda myopic. I empathize with your experiences breds, but the majority of trinidad eh so.. Like any other country in the world it have demographics.. and it have a ghetto. I sure it have places right here in beloved NYC that yuh wouldnt go in broad daylight.

The thing is, like i keep saying, irresponsible journalism have a big part to play in sensationalism the crime thus desensitizing the populace to murders.. Nuff shit does go down right there in barbados that don't make a front page or even a papers trust me.. Yet is bodies on the front page of the express. And alot of you here probably get this as your daily does and form your opinions.. Alot of the murders are confined to certain areas.

On the flip side, it easy for us to sit behind our chair and decry the wutless youths for not taking advantage of the opportunities afforded to them. But in doing so, we mustnt ignore the fact that is a mindset yuh dealing with.. If its one thing i learn is that the hardest thing to do is to change a man's mind... and when u see someone come from a broken home, grow up in an environment with the wrong influences, living in a society that failing them with a decaying moral fabric... yuh hadda understand he jus eh programmed to think like that.. He brain not wired to think like how you thinking.. he not looking at this life through your eyes.. remember yuh cant know someone unless you walk a mile in their shoes...

For me, to be honest the US eh have nutten for me that TT eh have.. Gone are the days when you could look forward to Tanty sending yuh a barrel with stocks.. What it have that someone could send you in a barrel that you can't get down here? You have malls with all the brands you could get in the US.. Supermarkets have all the commodities u could get abroad.. You even getting movies in the cinema faster than in the UK.. Things was different back in the days when a man had to go to the states for an opportunity to make a living for himself, but imo it eh really like that no more.. if you willing to work yuh could more than do it at home.

Yuh right though.. if its one thing the US have is a piece of mind. I doh ever have to look over my shoulder walking in at night and I doh live in no bess area.. whereas at home yuh hadda look in yuh rearview mirror when yuh coming in.. But at the end of the day everywhere on this earth have its pros and cons, its challenges and its blessings.. If trinidad wasn't so wild it would be paradise.

Me, I does just let go and let God and hope for the best.

and all who yuh say they waiting for things to get better before they come home need to wake up and smell the coffee, because yuh never coming home.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: STEUPS!! on May 20, 2009, 07:22:58 PM
Yuh know ppl in the caribbean blood very close to their skin! so any kinda criticism would be taken extemely personal.

 man taking this foreign ting way too serious when there's no need to.

i believe all i saying is ppl livin here in north america and the U.K. livin basically hectic but safe lives, and would rather deal with the hustle and bustle of work than crime and medical incompetance.

i livin in NYC and does feel real safe here, even though sh!t could go down @ any time. when i in trini i does be scared and uneasy, and rightfully so, i had the displeasure of seeing friends and loveones murdered for zilch. and a few got mugged and shot but survived.

so all i saying is when the police and the govt decide tuh put crime as top prority on their list and keep it there, together with the minsitry of health, then i would concider moving back home.

 my breddren from childhood died from jundus when he didn't have to. BC they had no medication in the hospital tuh treat him after he was there for a few day.

when these simple things are denied the public,who in their right minds would want tuh leave stable north america/ U.K. for T&T, no matter how warm and sweet it may be.

in a nut shell, ppl just want to be safe and be taken care of when they get sick, but safty would be my #1 priority! i could always pay some money in st clair medical center if nessesary.
The first highlighted part is the only remnants of caribeanness u seem to have at times. Few people in here blood does seem to boil like yours.

 as to the second highlighted statement. Herein lies my point. Why wait for people who doh seem like they want things to improve to try and make it better.  if the place means anything to you(ignoring your  signature for a minute, in the spirit of this conversation) and family notwithstanding, why wont u come back and make the difference? i wonder if u think u worked hard and did somehting positive for your present place of abode or if it was basically inconsequential?

VC1 why u assuming the people dont want the change? cause they voted pnm again? the usa voted bush in twice no? people do want things to get better. If it is that u think trinis to lazy to foster the change again i say all the people who outside and have all the ideas and ways to foster change, by all means come back and help us with your know how.

 there is an overall vibe u get that the foreign based who live in the states vehemently defend the US agaisnt any negative statements on this forum. And the same goes for canada. It also seems that the majority of the things they say about trini has a negative tone (and i am positive that its because they llike trini so much that they just want better for it always).


everyone feels the frustration of a society gone sour. however as sizzla said words without works cant sustain. i tell my students all the time, they should consider not criticizing an opinion or theory unless they have some suggestion of an alternative.
Lemme try ah different type of reference....... Obama's general inclination seems to be not just to criticize all the time but actually look for and implement some sort of positive change.

Overall i acknowledge there are huge problems that are being faced by Trinidad and Tobago. There are huge problems being faced by alot of places all over the world. The point that everyone seems to agree with its up to where u feel safe and or happy for what ever reason.
Just as my i may think moving back was good for me, you (plural) may not agree.  that doesnt mean i right or you wrong. Individual experience is what often determines your point of view.




hear nah, dat is why i jump een dis thread. ah seein ppl askin why d locals respondin to a thread geared towards foreign based.
but i couldnt understand why ppl who are not livin in d country movin like dey know more dan d ppl who livin here day by day. now doh get me wrong ppl, i not promotin no local vs foreign based scene but i jus cyah understand why d comments d foreign based makin against my country mainly on a negative vibes.

watch for example, ah hear on d news today, ah little 13 year old trini boy got knocked down an killed in brooklyn. it safe to say if he family didnt pick up deyself an go to d states (for wat ever reason; crime, better opportunities), d yute man cud have very well be alive today.

so no matter which part of d world yuh is, s**t cud still happen to u. is not only in trinbago where somebody cud lock yuh neck, is anywhere dat cud happen. so if d foreign based doh want to come back, or only want to come back when d vibes nice, so be it.

bless!!!
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: rotatopoti3 on May 20, 2009, 07:23:34 PM
Bourbon yuh place some boss post here today breds.....

I am indeed a student today and VERY ENERGIZED and MOTIVATED...there is alot of truth in your post

I think what I take from all of this is DO YOUR BEST and KEEP A POSITIVE ATTITUDE...

Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on May 20, 2009, 07:25:38 PM
I agree mindset hard 2 change like changing culture in organization. It hard no tail but not impossible. It need nuff work but can b done.

Nobody eh talk bout dem peeps who realy responsible 4 d crime. I sure dem thugs dat was in Picton eh have d means to bring in d guns and drugs. So let us deal it d root of d problem.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: STEUPS!! on May 20, 2009, 07:27:44 PM
I agree mindset hard 2 change like changing culture in organization. It hard no tail but not impossible. It need nuff work but can b done.

Nobody eh talk bout dem peeps who realy responsible 4 d crime. I sure dem thugs dat was in Picton eh have d means to bring in d guns and drugs. So let us deal it d root of d problem.

exactly
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Bourbon on May 20, 2009, 07:33:14 PM


At the end of the day, its all about what Organic said: "Individual experience is what often determines your point of view."

On the flip side, it easy for us to sit behind our chair and decry the wutless youths for not taking advantage of the opportunities afforded to them. But in doing so, we mustnt ignore the fact that is a mindset yuh dealing with.. If its one thing i learn is that the hardest thing to do is to change a man's mind... and when u see someone come from a broken home, grow up in an environment with the wrong influences, living in a society that failing them with a decaying moral fabric... yuh hadda understand he jus eh programmed to think like that.. He brain not wired to think like how you thinking.. he not looking at this life through your eyes.. remember yuh cant know someone unless you walk a mile in their shoes...


Dat is de a next ting. Yuh feel people eh understand that and giving dem things so dey could better deyself? You want to tell me dem seeing man getting money easy and ting from drugs and eh seeing dey body riddled with bullets too? How hard it is for dem to see that wha dey was trying before wasnt working....and it was de same ting a major portion of dem was trying and it still didnt work. Dey does say insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting to get a different result. What again they need to see and understand that wha dey was doing before eh working? I dunno nah...

Honestly..wha really upset me....is de time when de police vehicle crash on de bus route by beetham..and dey tief de gun from de vehicle. Den dey want to get vex when police move in and lock down de area..residents eh cooperating...claiming victimisation and brutality.....all kinda madness. Dat jus make me realise dat wha a good bit of dem fundamentalists and racists does think really true....dem hadda like de position dem in. Anytime yuh try to change it for dem...is opposition. It cynical yes..buh....yuh could only lead a horse to water. Buh how yuh supposed to feel when a horse complaining dat it thirsty.....yuh lead it to a clean fresh source of water..buh it prefer to not drink and complain it thirsty? I doh understand dat. Buh putting it simplistically.....my brain probably eh wired like dem own. Even trying to rewire it for them does be problems. Look at where some of the prodigal talent we have football wise came from....yuh noticing a trend? Why it hadda be so? Oh i know why...is dis blasted government.  ::)


Me personally..i am a cynical optimist. I does prepare for the worst and hope for the best. And i going down fighting...even doh dis degree might just be a collosal waste of time....i still fighting. Something must work out. It have too much to do here to not be doing anything.




Nobody eh talk bout dem peeps who realy responsible 4 d crime. I sure dem thugs dat was in Picton eh have d means to bring in d guns and drugs. So let us deal it d root of d problem.


De root cause? Greed. Plain and simple. Dem who have de capital to be bringing in shipment of drugs and guns and ting know what dey going and be used for. What constructive purpose a gun have? Not one damn ting. Buh....dem rather make money while making people suffer. I does always say guns was one of the many sources of downfall for black people. Guns was one of de primary items used in bartering slaves in the slave trade...tribes had to get guns cuz other tribes got..and they woulda get wipe out. Same ting now.....just give dem guns and let dem kill out each other.

Is all greed. Greed and selfishness. Greed have people paying for drivers permit and ting on de road..while officers collecting at least 500 a person for each person who pay for their permit each day...in addition to their salary. Imagine if 2 people buy their permit each day...multiplied by 5 days a week..multiplied by 4 weeks a month...dahs 20 grand extra..in addition to their salary. But for dem dat price good enough to dull their conscience when people dying on de road cause it have plenty people on de road who eh drivers...they simply motor vehicle operators. Is greed have plenty government agencies not doing dey work during normal hours and want to leave it for overtime. Is selfishness when you could sit down and scratch for de greater part of de day and your conscience eh bothering you dat yuh have work to do..and people getting kept back because of it. Dahs de root cause of de whole world problems. Just it especially manifested here because to add to that..we have no blasted discipline whatsoever.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: JDB on May 20, 2009, 07:36:17 PM
The argument being put forward by expats that crime is this massive deterrent to returning is BS.

Reading the papers or listening to the warnings of parents could never be an accurate reflection of day to day life in TnT. It would take two seconds independent thought to realize that a warning to "avoid Frederick St.", the busiest street in the country, is bullshit talk. The crime is bad, and getting worse but that is not the reason that peopel are not going back.

When you "settle" in a place, foreign or local, and plant roots inertia sets in. It just becomes dfficult to move. The thing that will keep expats back is the fact that as adults, with careers in foreign, kids who are foreign nationals, spouses who may have no attachment to TnT, and generally better opportunities in the US or Canada, going back is difficult proposition whatever the crime situation.

It is much better to just come out and say this than to put forward the false argument that "crime is what keeping me back" or "crime would keep me back" when really and truly there is no genuine debate about going back.

The fact that despite the crime people still find themselves back in TnT every year puts paid to that shit argument.

On one hand Sando saying that people can't leave they house after 6pm, like TnT is the Gaza strip, but on the next hand he visiting 3 times a year. He must like living as a shut-in.

Also if you look at the reason people leave TnT, opportunity is much more of a driving force than crime.

It is also no surprise that the people leaving and returning happen to be either very young or very old because that is the time when you are least hindered from migrating. You either haven't started your family yet or you are done with phase of your life and you are more independent.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on May 20, 2009, 07:52:28 PM
Nobody doh c nutten once a police involve. So murder/rape happen no eye witness but everybody know d police use force. Dem peeps harbourin criminal plain and simple.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: STEUPS!! on May 20, 2009, 07:56:59 PM
bourbon, u deserve an award for best posts in a day oui. yuh points lashin real hard an yuh makin real sense.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: pass(10trini) on May 20, 2009, 07:57:03 PM
Nobody doh c nutten once a police involve. So murder/rape happen no eye witness but everybody know d police use force. Dem peeps harbourin criminal plain and simple.

Weary wha happen here?   ;D
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Bourbon on May 20, 2009, 08:02:08 PM
Nobody doh c nutten once a police involve. So murder/rape happen no eye witness but everybody know d police use force. Dem peeps harbourin criminal plain and simple.


Partially in dem defence.....dey go be fraid to talk cuz dey very likely to get wiped out. Dahs de reality. And de legal system impotent too.....and any protection yuh could get non existant. Why all ah dat so? Slack trinidadians....add to that the law is still the ass it always was. But for people to have the gall to take action on somebody who doing the right thing....shows again that dey encouraging it too. Both sides of de equation wrong. Why yuh feel Cudjoe get take out like he did? Partially cuz....legally it eh go happen! Same ting dat cause dem to be gunning for robocop...same ting wipe out bill.....yuh notice de trend? Wha yuh feel make dem police drop dat man in picton? Carrying him station..he know in 24 hours..dey hadda let him out cuz dey eh have evidence to  charge him. De only way dey getting evidence is if he talk..and he a known troublemaker...on gun charge since he 16. So....unconventional force get employed...and de rest as dey say is history.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: STEUPS!! on May 20, 2009, 08:09:36 PM
i for one in full agreement wid d uncoventional force d police usin. doh make sense wastin tax payers money for trial dat will see d criminal gettin off cuz all of a sudden witness get amnesia or end up dead. i doh mind d police bein judge, jury an executioner. :angel:
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Organic on May 20, 2009, 08:24:00 PM
The argument being put forward by expats that crime is this massive deterrent to returning is BS.

Reading the papers or listening to the warnings of parents could never be an accurate reflection of day to day life in TnT. It would take two seconds independent thought to realize that a warning to "avoid Frederick St.", the busiest street in the country, is bullshit talk. The crime is bad, and getting worse but that is not the reason that peopel are not going back.

When you "settle" in a place, foreign or local, and plant roots inertia sets in. It just becomes dfficult to move. The thing that will keep expats back is the fact that as adults, with careers in foreign, kids who are foreign nationals, spouses who may have no attachment to TnT, and generally better opportunities in the US or Canada, going back is difficult proposition whatever the crime situation.

It is much better to just come out and say this than to put forward the false argument that "crime is what keeping me back" or "crime would keep me back" when really and truly there is no genuine debate about going back.

The fact that despite the crime people still find themselves back in TnT every year puts paid to that shit argument.

On one hand Sando saying that people can't leave they house after 6pm, like TnT is the Gaza strip, but on the next hand he visiting 3 times a year. He must like living as a shut-in.

Also if you look at the reason people leave TnT, opportunity is much more of a driving force than crime.

It is also no surprise that the people leaving and returning happen to be either very young or very old because that is the time when you are least hindered from migrating. You either haven't started your family yet or you are done with phase of your life and you are more independent.
well said JDB.
If u dont wanna come back to live say so, because your happy where you are and your life nice. Dont blame crime cause when crime wasnt as bad as it is now even if u were settled would u have come back?
 No one will hold u to be less of a trini if u dont come back.

One other point to reiterate. Lamblassing trini every chance when the place u living has its issues is not endearing. whats more, lamblassing trini while defending usa or canada or where ever....steups
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: elan on May 20, 2009, 09:02:44 PM
Granny use to say "if snake is to bite you in the grass, car cyah bounce yuh in the road."   ;D
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: dinho on May 20, 2009, 09:31:42 PM
Granny use to say "if snake is to bite you in the grass, car cyah bounce yuh in the road."   ;D

hmm... poignant.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: fishs on May 20, 2009, 09:46:28 PM

 It is surprising indeed that the gang leaders are to a large extent deportees, at least some people returning home and contributing their US experience.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: just cool on May 21, 2009, 03:21:36 AM
So Jus cool...leh me ask this question.....dis zeal and fevour that exports does get when dey reach america and  ting....where dey does get it from? Uncle Sam does spray pherohormones into de  atmosphere in  every american city dat does cause yuh to want to work hard?  You kno how much places looking for people to work now and nobody taking it up? Yet people cussing when dey bring in de chinese and dem to work...buh look wha happening...dem willing to work..and dem working hard. Yuh eh hadda worry bout dem coming all kinda one hour late and ting..and taking extra lunch time and ting...dem know wha dey about..and dey doing it. So why locals cant have that same attitude? Every job i ever work i approaching it just so.....do my work..done de ole talk. So why de locals who here cyar do dat too? Wha stopping dem? Dey know damn well if dey do dat in america dey go starve. But here is always somebody looking for de easy way out. No kinda consequences for anyting.

My father went england to work a time.....and de kinda work he putting down...de locals and all shame...he eh know bout tea time and ting like dat...he come to work...and he doing it. We could work..jus de problem is doing it! Dat eh nobody fault but yours if you eh want to work. I does fed up hear stories bout men who does have a tremendous work ethic when it come to repsol, BP, BG and all dem companies..and how dey does change when dey reach Petrotrin. All because dey know is a state enterprise..it local....dey attitude doh hadda be serious.

I realise dat yuh hadda be serious to get anything here..so i am. My work ethic go be de same anywhere in the world i end up because why...anything worth doing is worth doing well. And dis watlessness we have ingrained in our psyche is wha does have our football de state it in...and add to that..people getting vex and cussing wim when he say de damn truth. How much work most Pro League players does do on dey own? How much men does be like a jumbie hitting freekicks by deyself....practicing trapping..or just running for de hell of it? The only time sucess could come before work is in de dictionary...and we doh realise dat. How much national scholarship winners have a poor work ethic? How much people who achieved on the world stage achieved by having a lackadastical attitude? Not many...if any at all. Buh nah..is always somebody else fault.

As i said..behaviours does be reinforced or re-evaluated by consequences. If Trinidad was to get a dictator dat hand heavy with discipline yuh go hear complaints. Buh dis lack of discipline and dis selfishness is wha have de country in de state it in. Police corrupt....cuz dem care bout dem and dem alone. Liscencing office corrupt..cuz it paying more to do the right thing..and dey hardly likely to get ketch. Anyting could do once yuh know de correct person....a bottle of Johnny does go a long way..all kinda folly. Machine readable passport taking all kinda 18 months to get..when keith salick who never had one before get he own in a matter of days because he had to travel on tour. It eh to say it cant be done....is just dat many refuse to do it because it doh matter if dey do..or if dey dont. So when dey feel to..they do it. And if you go contrary to the grain...dey looking to buss your throat cuz you makin dem look bad.

Change hadda start with me. Tings didnt get so overnight...so yuh cyar expect it to fix overnight. Buh if it hadda fix in any short period of time..a heavy hand hadda be employed. Buh many people eh go be able to handle dat...people does done open dey mouth for petty nonsense here...everyting is a problem. So....let tings remain as they are. I know if I eh part of de solution..ize part of de problem. So..i doing wha i hadda do..might be insignificant in the whole big picture....but..at least at the end of the day..my conscience clear.

It have rel plenty more i could say eh..buh.....people go get vex.


Man , what kinda question is dat!! do you really want me tuh answer that question ? my young son and his friends would ask ah more valid question than that! in short , this is ah real forkin retarded question tuh tell yuh the truth bredder.

but i will try tuh answer it, that should be hard :yawning:. bredder , every developed country yuh migrate to, have ah higher work ethic than the 3rd world, especially the english speaking independent caribbean nations.

that's how those countries manage tuh reach the level of excellence that afford them to achieve the level of comfort and security they now enjoy.

it's not like we did anything special , when we land here we had tuh adjust and fall in line, and that's what we did!

living in T&T we also followed suite.  the example that was set was what we followed, and quite frankly we thought it was the norm until we got a differant prospective by working outside of our native land!

the first job i held down in boo york , i almost fainted! it was on a construction site , and the bredder who was running the job was very demanding! let me tell yuh , i never work so hard in my life until i got that job.

so did i get sprayed with some kind of pheromones? hell fack no! i got sprayed with reality! if i wanted tuh survive i had tuh fall in line and do as the romans, if i wanted tuh keep ah roof over meh dunce head!

i can't believe i just answered dat dumb a$$ question! god help trini's tuh understand that instead of carrying feelings like some little school girls , they should hold their lackadaisical leaders in contempt for their lack of work ethic!! they spoiled the nation and created this lazy monster!! and it's a fact!




PS: don't blame Xpats for not wanting to return to a banana mismanaged republic! blame the lazy minded complaisant corrupted leaders for not doing enough with the abundance of resources they have @ their disposal!

 so instead of being annoyed with us for our honesty, yuh should be equally angry! if not MUCH more with yuh monkey leaders for doing way below the bare minimum! so fack all you over sensitive in denial muda faking local liers! the truth is , the country is being severely miss managed and runned into the asphalt!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Organic on May 21, 2009, 03:42:44 AM
BOURBON Watch what u saying he is a trini His blood close to his skin. way sah!!
i thought that was a rhetorical question but maybe a was wrong.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Sam on May 21, 2009, 05:36:58 AM
Ok, I get Flex to add a poll to this thread because it kinda confusing a bit and I cant keep track.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Bourbon on May 21, 2009, 06:54:05 AM
I thought was a rhetorical question to..buh de man answer it for me oui. So aight...question....how come men like me and Jah Goal does be hearing we making people look bad when we working? Dis eh to trumpet my own horn or nuttin....it goes to show yuh....while a work ethic might be obtained from yuh environment.....yuh could also have your own work ethic despite yuh environment. Even dead fish could swim downstream..buh yuh hadda be alive to go against the current. And dahs my point....If you want to do it...you can do it.

I remember my first office job..was NFM. Dey send me and 5 people from school dey. Dey see i used to work in shops and ting and I accustom dealing with customers...so dem put me in de front desk in de accounts department. Take note I a engineering student eh...i never do POA. Dey put my brethrin in de back to sort ting. I a man doing wha I had to do....de gyal who was holding down de front desk needed help to organise de pink copies of the cheques and ting from since de year start....dis in june eh....and plus de year before hadda organise...but to do dat....de cabinet hadda empty....so de files from the year before last year hadda move out. Rel drama. Buh is de wuk yuh hadda do! Buh my next brethrin who come in we batch...chronically watless..de man same way in school and all. Ah time i trip off with him cuz more times dan not...he does end up in my group for projects and i does end up doing most if not all de work. Anyhow....first week of work....he gone and bring he laptop from home....unplug de people internet connection and plug it in de laptop..so he could watch smallville online. And de watlessness continued. Now...i eh go lie..de accounts department...while dey like dey kicks....dey does do dey work. Just because of some madness it had with the computerised accounting program..that threw off everything. Anyhow....he sleeping at he desk...he was so bad with it..de man going in de toilet and sleeping and ting so he eh go get make out....and he rather than help me with the physical wuk like he supposed to jus breezing. Everybody marking de man and how he moving...nobody eh saying nuttin..de boss man observing de scene too. Bam...he gone in de IT department to use net to check facebook.....and dis gyal who only flirting with him..some how or de other end up on he lap in wileness.....and as she drop in he lap....we boss walk in and see him. Now wha yuh feel went on?

De points i trying to make is

1) Work ethic..while it can be influenced externally......it comes from within. If you want to work in a culture of watlessness...den yuh could do it. Same way my brethrin in a culture of relative seriousness...was slacker dan errol fabien wearing beulah drawers. You could determine what you do. It have children who went junior sec and senior comp and ting and still come out with full certificates..and went prestige schools and excelled further. Why? Because despite their environment...dey make up their mind what dey were about. Similarly...in my secondary school....a prestige school..it had men who waste dey 5 years and come out with nuttin. So yuh work ethic by and large for the most part is a matter of choice. De way i hearing you talkin bout how yuh get rel hard wuk when yuh now reach in the US.....making me wonder bout how your work ethic and ting was here.

2) De culture of watlessness we have can only change if people realise...either willingly or by force dat dis watlessness hadda done. De same laid back carefree nonchalant way we have bout we dat does make we lovable....is wha killing we time and time again. People who doh know me dat well would think i real serious and rigid. However people who know me would know that....i serious when it time to be serious..but i a damn clown when is time for dat too. Is de same ting yuh hadda utilize. When yuh working..work hard..when yuh liming..lime hard. Whatever yuh doing..do it to the best and the fullest that you can. Mediocrity is something that you settle for.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: ribbit on May 21, 2009, 08:16:46 AM

organic, ah hear yuh gorn into advertising (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=43855.msg563987#msg563987) ...  ??? ;)



all the local-based chiming in when the thread clearly addressed to those in foreign that considering a move back.

is not the people in trini that is the problem. is the norms and expectations and particularly the status quo, "we like it so" complacent mentality. to be blunt, some feel that is de mark of patriotism. this myth needs to be challenged. hopefully is like jc and sam say, the older generation taking these low expectations with dem when dey gorn.

weary, is not just express people reading, check the oecd and wec statistics on t&t. you think everything gang-related? if you doh know someone in t&t that affected by crime that NOT gang-related, go get yuh vision/hearing/senses checked.

elan, yuh leave out one of the most highly publicized stats in t&t - the murder rate since 2000.

makavelli - change schools. york u have a bad rep ;)  is de jamaicans have jane & finch so.

omar, stress eh about making a living. stress is having to "move smart" all the time.

no one mention health care in t&t. that alone give serious pause to going back.

the other thing is the exchange rate.
Am i allowed to chime in? i Recently moved back or am i Local now and its not aimed at me?
 People settle where they feel comfortable or happy. I know a significant of foreigners who have recently migrated to Trinidad. Yes Trinidad has problems that is as apparent as some posters biased. However its not any reason to act as anyone who chooses to  move back dotish, or making a poor decision.

Those who ney saying talking out of a feeling of regret that things changing. Things changing for both the better and worse in Trinidad. the worse just seems to be a little more blatant.

Crime is bad getting worse.
Health care not the best but its far from the worst especially if you have money its pretty good.
The same flawed education system have some ah allyuh talking big now fighting it down. But again this education system is FAR from the worst in the world.

For those who dont think they could move back..thats fine....but your experience is different from someone else's. what u want out of life is not necessarily what the other person wants. Same goes for those who chose to move back. But the vibe that allyuh fighting down trini is a bad one. Its not constructive at all.

 Crime is a reality all over the world. yes trinidad its smaller and yes it makes it worse, however the "quality" of the crimes perpetrated in trinidad pales to some committed in places you guys feel comfortable in. MUrder is murder and its inherently bad, but it says something about a society in which a students runs into a school and shoots 20 odd people etc?

As touches said earlier if you have a good income in Trinidad and have family, friends and what ever u looking for out of life  Trinidad sweet.

Omar raised a good point which i noticed while living abroad. Same "trinis" who lazy and slack here will go foreign and word 2 jobs long hours and live in one rundown place to make ends meet. Why not pull your hand like that for"your" country?

some who say they will move back to trinidad in 10-15 years when things better, why not come back now and try to make that difference? To me if this is really your home that makes more sense. Fix your place first.
 Probably whats keeping your from doing that is that your afraid you will fall back in the same old let the government do it for we mold while you back here so u just waiting to help out when things good. typcial..no?? then maybe allyuh really still trinis to the bone.

yeah, ah see what yuh say about the vibe - but this also makes it impossible to confront quality of life issues when there's no forum in which they can be discussed. ah checkin meh bad vibes. all i'll say is that it's nice to have the option of moving to and from t&t.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: elan on May 21, 2009, 09:31:15 AM
If is one thing eh change from people home and abroad is to stand up and complain.  :devil:
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Jah Gol on May 21, 2009, 10:22:45 AM
I couldn't agree with bourbon more. Ultimately, individuals must make a decision on how they want to live. Even though we might have a tradition steeped in lethargy and mediocrity, we shouldn't ignore the dissenters.  In fact it is those who go against the grain who make the largest impact on society.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Dutty on May 21, 2009, 10:32:01 AM
wayyyz look how sam drop a grenade ,pull de pin and walk away normal normal

allyuh should rename dis thread  'who shit does stink more, foreign or local trini?'





De only ting a black man does get easy is trouble..


..... quote of the month  :D
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Brownsugar on May 21, 2009, 10:33:49 AM
ooohhh guuuuda all ah dis discussion happen between last night when ah log off and now  :o....ah goh have to rock back and read later when ah not doing de people wuk...
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Dutty on May 21, 2009, 10:38:36 AM
ooohhh guuuuda all ah dis discussion happen between last night when ah log off and now  :o....ah goh have to rock back and read later when ah not doing de people wuk...

if yuh was ah real trini :devil: yuh woulda do it in de wukk...or take de ress ah de day off

wayz dat work ethic ting yuh coastin, yuh tryin to make yuh co-workers look bad or wha?
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Bourbon on May 21, 2009, 11:40:40 AM
Dread....i now come back from Liscencing office in town.....perfect case study. Since 11 o clock dem decide dat dem dragging dey foot until bout 12....den to say is lunch. Den when dey come back for one....de plan is to say cashier does close 2....and dem done workin 2 as well. Setta wicked people in de damn public service. Steups. Why dey hadda be so? Seriously? Why?
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: just cool on May 22, 2009, 01:37:02 AM
And it have ppl who saying the whole killing ting is gang related, but  every time i open the express, is ah set of random killings for all kinda small ting. this is one of the reasons i can't live in T&T! BC i have ah big mouth , and if a fella violate me he will hear bout it , and by the looks of it , yuh can't even stand up for yuhself in trnidad, yuh just have tuh eat humble pie right through!

look another briliant young man wasted in the prime of his youth, seven passes and can't even work, and allyuh say trini sweet. where's the law and order in this mess called trinidad. was this young man a ganster? IMB the govt failed the ppl misserably! http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161480526
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on May 22, 2009, 06:11:33 AM
And it have ppl who saying the whole killing ting is gang related, but  every time i open the express, is ah set of random killings for all kinda small ting. this is one of the reasons i can't live in T&T! BC i have ah big mouth , and if a fella violate me he will hear bout it , and by the looks of it , yuh can't even stand up for yuhself in trnidad, yuh just have tuh eat humble pie right through!

look another briliant young man wasted in the prime of his youth, seven passes and can't even work, and allyuh say trini sweet. where's the law and order in this mess called trinidad. was this young man a ganster? IMB the govt failed the ppl misserably! http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161480526

Nobody say d all d killing gang related. We would b dotish if we did but if ovah 50% is then dat accounts 4 d majority.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: lefty on May 22, 2009, 06:25:19 AM
And it have ppl who saying the whole killing ting is gang related, but  every time i open the express, is ah set of random killings for all kinda small ting. this is one of the reasons i can't live in T&T! BC i have ah big mouth , and if a fella violate me he will hear bout it , and by the looks of it , yuh can't even stand up for yuhself in trnidad, yuh just have tuh eat humble pie right through!

look another briliant young man wasted in the prime of his youth, seven passes and can't even work, and allyuh say trini sweet. where's the law and order in this mess called trinidad. was this young man a ganster? IMB the govt failed the ppl misserably! http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161480526
u doh want to come back, we know, we know...........go drink some juice an' humble yuhself nah.................. :beermug:
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on May 22, 2009, 06:43:01 AM
And it have ppl who saying the whole killing ting is gang related, but  every time i open the express, is ah set of random killings for all kinda small ting. this is one of the reasons i can't live in T&T! BC i have ah big mouth , and if a fella violate me he will hear bout it , and by the looks of it , yuh can't even stand up for yuhself in trnidad, yuh just have tuh eat humble pie right through!

look another briliant young man wasted in the prime of his youth, seven passes and can't even work, and allyuh say trini sweet. where's the law and order in this mess called trinidad. was this young man a ganster? IMB the govt failed the ppl misserably! http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161480526
u doh want to come back, we know, we know...........go drink some juice an' humble yuhself nah.................. :beermug:

So u give up yuh wuk because of gang violence. Yeah right I believe dat.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: just cool on May 22, 2009, 07:58:49 AM
And it have ppl who saying the whole killing ting is gang related, but  every time i open the express, is ah set of random killings for all kinda small ting. this is one of the reasons i can't live in T&T! BC i have ah big mouth , and if a fella violate me he will hear bout it , and by the looks of it , yuh can't even stand up for yuhself in trnidad, yuh just have tuh eat humble pie right through!

look another briliant young man wasted in the prime of his youth, seven passes and can't even work, and allyuh say trini sweet. where's the law and order in this mess called trinidad. was this young man a ganster? IMB the govt failed the ppl misserably! http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161480526
u doh want to come back, we know, we know...........go drink some juice an' humble yuhself nah.................. :beermug:
Mr lefty doh make me sound like an a$$hole! i just adding to the convo, do make it sound like ah going off the deep end of mass hysteria. stuueepppss

i from ah real bad place in trini and when i go back i does pass through and visit with the ppl, i does get it live and direct, i know most of the real bad ppl dat causing all the trouble, as all my friends have gangaster sons and nephews, so much so that they take the rest ah kids and move up central BC they want to escape the violence.

my cousins and dem in all kinda bobol with all kinda bad ppl so i not under no illusions.

i know it have places in trini where ppl still leaving their doors open and they don't even as much as hear a gun shot, so i up on every thing , but my problem with the country is when a society have so much yutes running around wid guns and the cops don't even seem to be phased by it, i have tuh wonder.

we need ah law man who really want tuh protect the masses and minimize gun violence. but for a small country we have too much young violent criminals on the lose and they have no fear for the law whatso........!

all i want tuh see is someone making ah solid effort tuh put criminals where they belong, jail or the cemetary!

i does be in barbados, and it's ah real peaceful place for the most part. FYI , there was a time when they had a serious gun problem way before us, and guess what happened, yes their polioce force killed out all their bad men and put bad guys on the run.

nuff ah dem leave the island and some got big jail. i think manning have tuh seriously address this problem , BC a chimp could do a better job on crime than what i see him doing.

trust meh bro , T&T in for one coop in dey a$$, this time it will be ah milatary one and it will succeed! then yuh will see the differance between leaders who care and leaders who don't give!
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Brownsugar on May 22, 2009, 08:06:34 AM
Nobody eh talk bout dem peeps who realy responsible 4 d crime. I sure dem thugs dat was in Picton eh have d means to bring in d guns and drugs. So let us deal it d root of d problem.

Ah thug say dat same thing bout who REALLY responsible for bringing in the guns....and he say it on one of Marcia Henville's episodes about life in Laventille....now if wasn't for she ah woulda NEVER know dat....:devil: ;D

One reason not to leave here.....sunshine 365 days per year....none of that bitterly cold winter stuff..

Bourbon.......big posts..... :applause: :applause: :notworthy:
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: lefty on May 22, 2009, 08:27:19 AM
And it have ppl who saying the whole killing ting is gang related, but  every time i open the express, is ah set of random killings for all kinda small ting. this is one of the reasons i can't live in T&T! BC i have ah big mouth , and if a fella violate me he will hear bout it , and by the looks of it , yuh can't even stand up for yuhself in trnidad, yuh just have tuh eat humble pie right through!

look another briliant young man wasted in the prime of his youth, seven passes and can't even work, and allyuh say trini sweet. where's the law and order in this mess called trinidad. was this young man a ganster? IMB the govt failed the ppl misserably! http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161480526
u doh want to come back, we know, we know...........go drink some juice an' humble yuhself nah.................. :beermug:
Mr lefty doh make me sound like an a$$hole! i just adding to the convo, do make it sound like ah going off the deep end of mass hysteria. stuueepppss

i from ah real bad place in trini and when i go back i does pass through and visit with the ppl, i does get it live and direct, i know most of the real bad ppl dat causing all the trouble, as all my friends have gangaster sons and nephews, so much so that they take the rest ah kids and move up central BC they want to escape the violence.

my cousins and dem in all kinda bobol with all kinda bad ppl so i not under no illusions.

i know it have places in trini where ppl still leaving their doors open and they don't even as much as hear a gun shot, so i up on every thing , but my problem with the country is when a society have so much yutes running around wid guns and the cops don't even seem to be phased by it, i have tuh wonder.

we need ah law man who really want tuh protect the masses and minimize gun violence. but for a small country we have too much young violent criminals on the lose and they have no fear for the law whatso........!

all i want tuh see is someone making ah solid effort tuh put criminals where they belong, jail or the cemetary!

i does be in barbados, and it's ah real peaceful place for the most part. FYI , there was a time when they had a serious gun problem way before us, and guess what happened, yes their polioce force killed out all their bad men and put bad guys on the run.

nuff ah dem leave the island and some got big jail. i think manning have tuh seriously address this problem , BC a chimp could do a better job on crime than what i see him doing.

trust meh bro , T&T in for one coop in dey a$$, this time it will be ah milatary one and it will succeed! then yuh will see the differance between leaders who care and leaders who don't give!

k then, but giving d impression dat ALL of TT is a warzone is akin to the notion dat I have a blanket "bad" view of ALL people of Laventille, sometimes it is necessary to qualify our statements, and we fail to do dat sometimes doh dig nutten doh :beermug: 
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Bourbon on May 22, 2009, 09:00:10 AM
De laughable nature of dis continues. Jus cool..doh take dis personal eh..buh check wha i saying....




i from ah real bad place in trini and when i go back i does pass through and visit with the ppl, i does get it live and direct, i know most of the real bad ppl dat causing all the trouble, as all my friends have gangaster sons and nephews, so much so that they take the rest ah kids and move up central BC they want to escape the violence.

my cousins and dem in all kinda bobol with all kinda bad ppl so i not under no illusions.



Wha cause dem people yuh know to reach dat stage? Where did de lapse occur?

As I said, for it to fix....force would most likely need to be employed..buh den yuh go hear idiot noise bout human rights violated...police brutality etc. So ask yuhself wha yuh really want. I remember in the discussion bout the Flying Squad coming back i asking people....allyuh seriously want dat? Cuz everything comes at a consequence.



trust meh bro , T&T in for one coop in dey a$$, this time it will be ah milatary one and it will succeed! then yuh will see the differance between leaders who care and leaders who don't give!

Very likely. Study wha happen 20 years ago..and 20 years before dat. I doh think it might be military doh. But it very likely to happen in my view.

Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Peong on May 22, 2009, 09:38:04 AM
Ah readin some real jokey posts here.
Because some ppl still move back or visit home that means that crime was a minor factor for them?
And should be the same for others?
Madness.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: dinho on May 22, 2009, 10:05:42 AM
And it have ppl who saying the whole killing ting is gang related, but  every time i open the express, is ah set of random killings for all kinda small ting. this is one of the reasons i can't live in T&T! BC i have ah big mouth , and if a fella violate me he will hear bout it , and by the looks of it , yuh can't even stand up for yuhself in trnidad, yuh just have tuh eat humble pie right through!

look another briliant young man wasted in the prime of his youth, seven passes and can't even work, and allyuh say trini sweet. where's the law and order in this mess called trinidad. was this young man a ganster? IMB the govt failed the ppl misserably! http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161480526

if the trinidad express was running news for NYC, and you was living somewhere else following in online, then you probably wouldnt want to live there either.

consider that!
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Sam on May 22, 2009, 10:34:29 AM
Where else in the world would you see a man overthrow a country, shoot de president, kill over a hundred people, recuit school kids to do crime and destroy half the city, then spend two years in jail and then came out, turn around and sue de State and.... WIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

Welcome to T&T..
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: verycute1 on May 22, 2009, 03:46:31 PM

Sam, Bourbon an Jus Cool.... I  like all of your posts.

An I agree that we in for a coup or something soon. I wouldnt be suprised if muslimeen again though, they bringing in guns still. They positioning themselves well.

I also agree that people need to take responsibility for their lives and stop blaming de government because you have a latrine. Get off you backside, get a lil job even if is sweeping de garbage off the streets (is you trow it there anyway) and buy youself a toilet. THen perhaps one day you could get indoor plumbing on a piece of land that you own yourself.

And it have ppl who saying the whole killing ting is gang related, but  every time i open the express, is ah set of random killings for all kinda small ting. this is one of the reasons i can't live in T&T! BC i have ah big mouth , and if a fella violate me he will hear bout it , and by the looks of it , yuh can't even stand up for yuhself in trnidad, yuh just have tuh eat humble pie right through!

look another briliant young man wasted in the prime of his youth, seven passes and can't even work, and allyuh say trini sweet. where's the law and order in this mess called trinidad. was this young man a ganster? IMB the govt failed the ppl misserably! http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161480526
u doh want to come back, we know, we know...........go drink some juice an' humble yuhself nah.................. :beermug:

So u give up yuh wuk because of gang violence. Yeah right I believe dat.

I could kinda believe it. If he walking through a certain area and getting hassled by the gangs when he go to work, or getting robbed or threatened, then perhaps he decide to stay home until he find out if the police force would accept him.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on May 22, 2009, 05:24:16 PM

Sam, Bourbon an Jus Cool.... I  like all of your posts.

An I agree that we in for a coup or something soon. I wouldnt be suprised if muslimeen again though, they bringing in guns still. They positioning themselves well.

I also agree that people need to take responsibility for their lives and stop blaming de government because you have a latrine. Get off you backside, get a lil job even if is sweeping de garbage off the streets (is you trow it there anyway) and buy youself a toilet. THen perhaps one day you could get indoor plumbing on a piece of land that you own yourself.

And it have ppl who saying the whole killing ting is gang related, but  every time i open the express, is ah set of random killings for all kinda small ting. this is one of the reasons i can't live in T&T! BC i have ah big mouth , and if a fella violate me he will hear bout it , and by the looks of it , yuh can't even stand up for yuhself in trnidad, yuh just have tuh eat humble pie right through!

look another briliant young man wasted in the prime of his youth, seven passes and can't even work, and allyuh say trini sweet. where's the law and order in this mess called trinidad. was this young man a ganster? IMB the govt failed the ppl misserably! http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161480526
u doh want to come back, we know, we know...........go drink some juice an' humble yuhself nah.................. :beermug:

So u give up yuh wuk because of gang violence. Yeah right I believe dat.

I could kinda believe it. If he walking through a certain area and getting hassled by the gangs when he go to work, or getting robbed or threatened, then perhaps he decide to stay home until he find out if the police force would accept him.

Then as a police he can afford 2 move because then he go b harass
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: just cool on May 22, 2009, 06:23:28 PM
And it have ppl who saying the whole killing ting is gang related, but  every time i open the express, is ah set of random killings for all kinda small ting. this is one of the reasons i can't live in T&T! BC i have ah big mouth , and if a fella violate me he will hear bout it , and by the looks of it , yuh can't even stand up for yuhself in trnidad, yuh just have tuh eat humble pie right through!

look another briliant young man wasted in the prime of his youth, seven passes and can't even work, and allyuh say trini sweet. where's the law and order in this mess called trinidad. was this young man a ganster? IMB the govt failed the ppl misserably! http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161480526
u doh want to come back, we know, we know...........go drink some juice an' humble yuhself nah.................. :beermug:
Mr lefty doh make me sound like an a$$hole! i just adding to the convo, do make it sound like ah going off the deep end of mass hysteria. stuueepppss

i from ah real bad place in trini and when i go back i does pass through and visit with the ppl, i does get it live and direct, i know most of the real bad ppl dat causing all the trouble, as all my friends have gangaster sons and nephews, so much so that they take the rest ah kids and move up central BC they want to escape the violence.

my cousins and dem in all kinda bobol with all kinda bad ppl so i not under no illusions.

i know it have places in trini where ppl still leaving their doors open and they don't even as much as hear a gun shot, so i up on every thing , but my problem with the country is when a society have so much yutes running around wid guns and the cops don't even seem to be phased by it, i have tuh wonder.

we need ah law man who really want tuh protect the masses and minimize gun violence. but for a small country we have too much young violent criminals on the lose and they have no fear for the law whatso........!

all i want tuh see is someone making ah solid effort tuh put criminals where they belong, jail or the cemetary!

i does be in barbados, and it's ah real peaceful place for the most part. FYI , there was a time when they had a serious gun problem way before us, and guess what happened, yes their polioce force killed out all their bad men and put bad guys on the run.

nuff ah dem leave the island and some got big jail. i think manning have tuh seriously address this problem , BC a chimp could do a better job on crime than what i see him doing.

trust meh bro , T&T in for one coop in dey a$$, this time it will be ah milatary one and it will succeed! then yuh will see the differance between leaders who care and leaders who don't give!

k then, but giving d impression dat ALL of TT is a warzone is akin to the notion dat I have a blanket "bad" view of ALL people of Laventille, sometimes it is necessary to qualify our statements, and we fail to do dat sometimes doh dig nutten doh :beermug: 
BTW what the K for? yuh cussing meh in smart or what? if you are , then yuh could speak freely, i could take cuss and just humble, after all i not like quick draw berris yuh know. :devil:
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: dinho on May 22, 2009, 06:26:43 PM
K = OK
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Star Child on May 22, 2009, 07:53:52 PM
Where else in the world would you see a man overthrow a country, shoot de president, kill over a hundred people, recuit school kids to do crime and destroy half the city, then spend two years in jail and then came out, turn around and sue de State and.... WIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

Welcome to T&T..

I could not have said it better...

Where weary1969 ?
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on May 22, 2009, 08:22:33 PM
Where else in the world would you see a man overthrow a country, shoot de president, kill over a hundred people, recuit school kids to do crime and destroy half the city, then spend two years in jail and then came out, turn around and sue de State and.... WIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

Welcome to T&T..

I could not have said it better...

Where weary1969 ?

Cosign
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Babalawo on May 22, 2009, 11:03:30 PM
Nobody eh talk bout dem peeps who realy responsible 4 d crime. I sure dem thugs dat was in Picton eh have d means to bring in d guns and drugs. So let us deal it d root of d problem.

Ah thug say dat same thing bout who REALLY responsible for bringing in the guns....and he say it on one of Marcia Henville's episodes about life in Laventille....now if wasn't for she ah woulda NEVER know dat....:devil: ;D

One reason not to leave here.....sunshine 365 days per year....none of that bitterly cold winter stuff..

Bourbon.......big posts..... :applause: :applause: :notworthy:
lemme break it down. them people can't afford a guns. its big business men, white, indian, black all races sell guns to the black gang leaders who gives it to his followers to protect themselves and their gang  turf.  Territory for drug sales.  A man from 1 block cant go up picton and sell weed or else he'll get bullet in his head. Sure its plain to figure who are the drug dealers but its the community who arent calling 800-TIPS, because they are afraid, drug users themselves, related to a gang member who brings them money, dont want change, etc.  The police can't arrest anyone without the community help, so they will stay that way. You might wonder why the police dont do any undercover operation, because them scared too.  The undercover police can't hide anywhere in this little island after an operation, so he/she will get hunted down and killed too.  So the cure for all lie in the hands of the community.  We from outside cant help in anyway really but just watch every black man shoot down the next until their is only one left, and dont buy drugs
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Dumplingdinho on May 23, 2009, 10:40:17 AM
Anyone can have a 100 reasons to live in TNT and 100 reasons to live in the US.  At the end of de day, yuh do what is best for you.  This thread is real shit when some ppl crying down one country over de other, each has it own problems.  I will list only a few.

Key: TU (Trini living in the US), TT (Trini living in TNT).

Healthcare
TU can say healthcare is piss poor in TNT and they are quite right.  However, TU shouldn't talk too much cause if you don't have benefits through wuk or cyah afford to purchase own health plan, yuh more f**ked than someone in TNT.

Customer Service
Non existent in trinidad, quite good in the US but it is not perfect as some TU claim it to be.

Worklife Balance
Nuff TU work 2 jobs even 3 jobs (I talking about posters I know on this forum) to live de American dream,dey have nice car and ting but if dey get sick and miss 1 paycheck dey in real deep shit.  Dey does complain to dey other TUs dat dey miss back home and de lime because dey life consist of wuk, wuk and den go home get some sleep so dey could wuk 2/3 jobs again de next day and dey does have to plan ah lime 6 months in advance since dey pardnas have de same ruff schedule like dem.  However, when dey in trini dey does tell de TT dat life real good in de US

Peace of Mind
TU can say crime is high in TNT so dey better off than de TT.
TT can say crime bad in some areas but at least no10 yr old doh go to school in TNT and kill 50 classmates because ah classmate tell him his pencil or crayon short, so TT better off than TU.

One thing, i want de TU to understand is they will always be a third rate resident in de US (even if yuh have ah green card or US passport).  First rate is white folks, second rate is African Americans, third rate is the foreigners living dey.  The worst ting is to be a black foreigner living in de US.  Both whites and african americans view u as ppl taking their jobs. 

As for de TT, some of allyuh are upset with some of de TU who have been successful and refuse to give up dey comfort and come back home to Trini.

To each his own.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: lefty on May 23, 2009, 11:02:32 AM
i doh care one way or the other, is the typically trini knack for  HYPERBOLE dey does take wit dem, an' recklessly blow out dey ass, is wat does bun my ass........... we all do what we must and as u say to each his own
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: just cool on May 24, 2009, 02:05:06 AM
Look what the cat dug up.   http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161481355
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Organic on May 24, 2009, 06:05:38 AM
Anyone can have a 100 reasons to live in TNT and 100 reasons to live in the US.  At the end of de day, yuh do what is best for you.  This thread is real shit when some ppl crying down one country over de other, each has it own problems.  I will list only a few.

Key: TU (Trini living in the US), TT (Trini living in TNT).

Healthcare
TU can say healthcare is piss poor in TNT and they are quite right.  However, TU shouldn't talk too much cause if you don't have benefits through wuk or cyah afford to purchase own health plan, yuh more f**ked than someone in TNT.

Customer Service
Non existent in trinidad, quite good in the US but it is not perfect as some TU claim it to be.

Worklife Balance
Nuff TU work 2 jobs even 3 jobs (I talking about posters I know on this forum) to live de American dream,dey have nice car and ting but if dey get sick and miss 1 paycheck dey in real deep shit.  Dey does complain to dey other TUs dat dey miss back home and de lime because dey life consist of wuk, wuk and den go home get some sleep so dey could wuk 2/3 jobs again de next day and dey does have to plan ah lime 6 months in advance since dey pardnas have de same ruff schedule like dem.  However, when dey in trini dey does tell de TT dat life real good in de US

Peace of Mind
TU can say crime is high in TNT so dey better off than de TT.
TT can say crime bad in some areas but at least no10 yr old doh go to school in TNT and kill 50 classmates because ah classmate tell him his pencil or crayon short, so TT better off than TU.

One thing, i want de TU to understand is they will always be a third rate resident in de US (even if yuh have ah green card or US passport).  First rate is white folks, second rate is African Americans, third rate is the foreigners living dey.  The worst ting is to be a black foreigner living in de US.  Both whites and african americans view u as ppl taking their jobs. 

As for de TT, some of allyuh are upset with some of de TU who have been successful and refuse to give up dey comfort and come back home to Trini.

To each his own.

The post was well balanced until u say that. The statement kinda insinuates Trinis not comfortable in trinidad at all. I was successful in Canada and i am Twice as sucessful in trinidad.
Maybe the point you were trying to make is that some trinis think that sucessful TU should return and help Trinidad instead of just bad talking the place. especially if they say they want to wait till things nice again.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on May 24, 2009, 07:06:45 AM
Look what the cat dug up.   http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161481355

Strted under Burroughs d man peeps wanted 2 resurect from d death
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: just cool on May 24, 2009, 08:00:17 AM
Look what the cat dug up.   http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161481355

Strted under Burroughs d man peeps wanted 2 resurect from d death
Lady? like yuh eh see the ting way bigger than some two bit commisioner!!
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Dumplingdinho on May 24, 2009, 10:11:27 AM
Organic,
Yeah u are right to an extent, de TU who are doing well should not heap scorn on trinidad if dey not doing one ass to help de country.
on de other hand the statement also refers to de trinis at home who are simply hating on ppl abroad and expecting them to come back and make a difference while these same ppl at home not doing anything to improve the situation.

Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: JDB on May 24, 2009, 01:25:48 PM
on de other hand the statement also refers to de trinis at home who are simply hating on ppl abroad and expecting them to come back and make a difference while these same ppl at home not doing anything to improve the situation.

From my experience them people you describe there don't exist, if they do it is a ridiculously small minority.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Babalawo on May 24, 2009, 02:04:35 PM
I change my mind and say NO.  I forget the state of the hospitals down there. Aint risking my life on that.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: ribbit on May 24, 2009, 06:26:38 PM
if is one event that change the terms of this question, ah would say it was not the coup but the devaluation in the 80s. remember that? up until then, t&t winning this debate handily. plenty thread on this forum about the coup, but not many if any on the impact of the devaluation.

Look what the cat dug up.   http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161481355

when i see kidnapping in t&t normal - like is a profession, that ring some alarm bells. that is the way things run in narco-democracies - mexico, central america.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: dcs on May 24, 2009, 10:41:27 PM
when i see kidnapping in t&t normal - like is a profession, that ring some alarm bells. that is the way things run in narco-democracies - mexico, central america.

Does it mean our best talent is needed even more or should those here consider leaving based on same ...seems as though it is better for them to leave if given the opportunity?

I don't think it make sense for it to be relative to how things are elsewhere but I think it would be fair if people did a reasonable analysis of what their quality of life would be if they returned taking things into account in an objective and informed way rather than broad strokes which too many people seem to do (underlying bigger issue for trinis with lack of analysis but that not the point).  Just saying that because your individual risk is different and may be small depending on how you approach living here regardless of our overall situation in areas like crime and health.  You could very well have higher risk living abroad in your current situation depending on how you move and where u go/live and what you entitled to.

The ones who most obligated to return are those who have gone abroad on those open schols or with state funding.  They have an obligation to fulfill but in the past we have really dropped the ball on attempting to cash in on our investment.  A short stint back home will at least provide an opportunity for the individual to set aside all fears and just deal with the situation and see how they can best adapt.  They may very well find that after a year or more that they are quite comfortable and want to pursue a more meaningful career here...more meaningful because they are helping their own which is something most find absent living abroad or at least very difficult to pursue with smaller numbers making sure they find a way.  Would be kinda cool if it had more young people will that kinda belly.....qualified and with some work experience (1-5 years) is a good time to try home from what I can see....more experience never hurt but then it may be difficult to move given family etc. If people path not here and they need to go no probs...at least the decision is based on experience and not hype (end of the day we know it have real hype on many issues in T&T even with good info all over). 

We also could do a lot better with career fairs hosted abroad to at least let people see what it have.  But realistically we are small and damn Trinis all over the place   :devil:  Probably the internet is the best way to reach everyone and get all the info anyone thinking of returning would need.  Right now I think our online presence for this sorta stuff is average...not great but promising given the trend and where we were before. (CaribbeanJobs.net, bunch of government agencies increasing the amount of info available...eg parliament, Ministry of Legal Affairs).  But as it is now it have a hell of a lot of outside people doing work here and they living here just fine making real $$ and living it up appreciating the advantages of living in a Caribbean country that is relatively well developed and stable.  If they willing to come why not someone who actually feel a lifelong commitment to the place?  At least that way we don't have to outsource so much work.  Of course doh expect to get the same pay as a foreigner even if u in the same situation of having to move from where you currently are....maybe they would but you would have to be damn good at what you do.

Doubt many people care what people decide in the end.  Everybody have their own decisions to make.  Plenty times arguments on these things pop up when people start talking and it then seems as though their reasoning based on garbage or dotishness...inferiority complex or no kinda appreciation for what they got when they were here.  Even then if it is they want to remain blisfully ignorant why argue....unless u can't resist the temptation!
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: JDB on May 25, 2009, 03:20:15 AM

I don't think it make sense for it to be relative to how things are elsewhere but I think it would be fair if people did a reasonable analysis of what their quality of life would be if they returned taking things into account in an objective and informed way rather than broad strokes which too many people seem to do (underlying bigger issue for trinis with lack of analysis but that not the point).  Just saying that because your individual risk is different and may be small depending on how you approach living here regardless of our overall situation in areas like crime and health.  You could very well have higher risk living abroad in your current situation depending on how you move and where u go/live and what you entitled to.

Excellent point DCS, reading papers and listening to stories during a 2 week visit could never give you a picture of life in TnT. Most people painting the broad "crime" brush haven't actually sat down to really consider the pros and cons to determine that crime is the deciding factor. In most cases the other difficulties like high cost of housing, difficulty in moving a family and challenge in finding a job that compares well to one's current job would make it a no go decision before crime is even considered.

The ones who most obligated to return are those who have gone abroad on those open schols or with state funding.  They have an obligation to fulfill but in the past we have really dropped the ball on attempting to cash in on our investment.  A short stint back home will at least provide an opportunity for the individual to set aside all fears and just deal with the situation and see how they can best adapt.  They may very well find that after a year or more that they are quite comfortable and want to pursue a more meaningful career here...more meaningful because they are helping their own which is something most find absent living abroad or at least very difficult to pursue with smaller numbers making sure they find a way.  Would be kinda cool if it had more young people will that kinda belly.....qualified and with some work experience (1-5 years) is a good time to try home from what I can see....more experience never hurt but then it may be difficult to move given family etc. If people path not here and they need to go no probs...at least the decision is based on experience and not hype (end of the day we know it have real hype on many issues in T&T even with good info all over). 

We also could do a lot better with career fairs hosted abroad to at least let people see what it have.  But realistically we are small and damn Trinis all over the place   :devil:  Probably the internet is the best way to reach everyone and get all the info anyone thinking of returning would need.  Right now I think our online presence for this sorta stuff is average...not great but promising given the trend and where we were before. (CaribbeanJobs.net, bunch of government agencies increasing the amount of info available...eg parliament, Ministry of Legal Affairs).  But as it is now it have a hell of a lot of outside people doing work here and they living here just fine making real $$ and living it up appreciating the advantages of living in a Caribbean country that is relatively well developed and stable.  If they willing to come why not someone who actually feel a lifelong commitment to the place?  At least that way we don't have to outsource so much work.  Of course doh expect to get the same pay as a foreigner even if u in the same situation of having to move from where you currently are....maybe they would but you would have to be damn good at what you do.

Doubt many people care what people decide in the end.  Everybody have their own decisions to make.  Plenty times arguments on these things pop up when people start talking and it then seems as though their reasoning based on garbage or dotishness...inferiority complex or no kinda appreciation for what they got when they were here.  Even then if it is they want to remain blisfully ignorant why argue....unless u can't resist the temptation!

Agree with the rest of your post as well, excellent stuff. It is an interesting thing about the Scholarship funding. I remember when I left for school I had qualifiied for a scholarship but turned it down when the school offered tuition and a stipend. I could have supplemeneted with the scholarship and live nice but I didn't want to have an obligation 5 years in my future. As it turned out I got married before I graduated and the obligation would have made that impossible.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: rotatopoti3 on May 25, 2009, 08:19:07 AM
Nightmare
on de other hand the statement also refers to de trinis at home who are simply hating on ppl abroad and expecting them to come back and make a difference while these same ppl at home not doing anything to improve the situation.

From my experience them people you describe there don't exist, if they do it is a ridiculously small minority.

JDB -Agreed....Cosign
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Dumplingdinho on May 25, 2009, 08:46:39 AM
Nightmare
on de other hand the statement also refers to de trinis at home who are simply hating on ppl abroad and expecting them to come back and make a difference while these same ppl at home not doing anything to improve the situation.

From my experience them people you describe there don't exist, if they do it is a ridiculously small minority.

JDB -Agreed....Cosign

I agree as well, it is a small group but they are the ones who tend to talk the most and make it appear like the majority share their views.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: ribbit on May 25, 2009, 11:16:42 AM
when i see kidnapping in t&t normal - like is a profession, that ring some alarm bells. that is the way things run in narco-democracies - mexico, central america.

Does it mean our best talent is needed even more or should those here consider leaving based on same ...seems as though it is better for them to leave if given the opportunity?

ent this is the "brain drain"? over 75% of students not returning.

this notion of "our best talent" need to be addressed. when students go abroad to study in the big schools in usa, uk, etc.. don't these countries have a claim on these students as well? after all, it is their schools. study how other countries move - australia, usa, canada to some extent - they AGGRESSIVELY pursue highly skilled immigrants to live in the country, regardless of where they born or even where they got their education. talent have no owner. talent is "value" in the immigration market. by this reasoning, instead of subsidizing the brain drain t&t would do better to take a hard look at their immigration policy and put their money into attracting talent that want to live in t&t regardless of its origin. that is an open society. but t&t doh run so; bobol does rule, talent goes unrecognized and unrewarded. money use to secure votes instead of talent.



I don't think it make sense for it to be relative to how things are elsewhere but I think it would be fair if people did a reasonable analysis of what their quality of life would be if they returned taking things into account in an objective and informed way rather than broad strokes which too many people seem to do (underlying bigger issue for trinis with lack of analysis but that not the point).  Just saying that because your individual risk is different and may be small depending on how you approach living here regardless of our overall situation in areas like crime and health.  You could very well have higher risk living abroad in your current situation depending on how you move and where u go/live and what you entitled to.

The ones who most obligated to return are those who have gone abroad on those open schols or with state funding.  They have an obligation to fulfill but in the past we have really dropped the ball on attempting to cash in on our investment.  A short stint back home will at least provide an opportunity for the individual to set aside all fears and just deal with the situation and see how they can best adapt.  They may very well find that after a year or more that they are quite comfortable and want to pursue a more meaningful career here...more meaningful because they are helping their own which is something most find absent living abroad or at least very difficult to pursue with smaller numbers making sure they find a way.  Would be kinda cool if it had more young people will that kinda belly.....qualified and with some work experience (1-5 years) is a good time to try home from what I can see....more experience never hurt but then it may be difficult to move given family etc. If people path not here and they need to go no probs...at least the decision is based on experience and not hype (end of the day we know it have real hype on many issues in T&T even with good info all over). 

We also could do a lot better with career fairs hosted abroad to at least let people see what it have.  But realistically we are small and damn Trinis all over the place   :devil:  Probably the internet is the best way to reach everyone and get all the info anyone thinking of returning would need.  Right now I think our online presence for this sorta stuff is average...not great but promising given the trend and where we were before. (CaribbeanJobs.net, bunch of government agencies increasing the amount of info available...eg parliament, Ministry of Legal Affairs).  But as it is now it have a hell of a lot of outside people doing work here and they living here just fine making real $$ and living it up appreciating the advantages of living in a Caribbean country that is relatively well developed and stable.  If they willing to come why not someone who actually feel a lifelong commitment to the place?  At least that way we don't have to outsource so much work.  Of course doh expect to get the same pay as a foreigner even if u in the same situation of having to move from where you currently are....maybe they would but you would have to be damn good at what you do.

Doubt many people care what people decide in the end.  Everybody have their own decisions to make.  Plenty times arguments on these things pop up when people start talking and it then seems as though their reasoning based on garbage or dotishness...inferiority complex or no kinda appreciation for what they got when they were here.  Even then if it is they want to remain blisfully ignorant why argue....unless u can't resist the temptation!

how does t&t fare with this basic question: will my children be successful? i see a few forumites already mention that they are successful in t&t. so far no one mention the prospects of the next generation. a comparison of t&t to foreign when it comes to the prospects of the next generation is like "small pond" vs. "big pond". this is why i made the point about the devaluation earlier - that event alone forced people to decide where they going to accumulate their wealth.

for allyuh still in denial about whether crime is a factor, imagining is just peeps in foreign reading the express, check the global competitiveness report (http://www.weforum.org/documents/gcr0809/index.html). t&t: 130th out of 134 for "business costs of crime and violence", 125th out of 134 for "reliability of police services", 120th out of 134 for "favouritism in decisions of govt officials". "crime and theft", the biggest problem.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: elan on May 25, 2009, 11:19:34 AM
Explosion shatters windows of Starbucks
'Low order improvised device' hits NYC coffee shop; no injuries reported

 
NEW YORK - An explosion shattered the windows of a Starbucks coffee shop in New York City, but no injuries were reported.

Police were trying to determine what type of device caused the blast early Monday morning at the intersection of 92nd Street and Third Avenue on Manhattan's Upper East Side, New York Police Department Lt. Mike Wyosokowski said.

The explosion occurred at around 3:30 a.m., when the coffee shop was closed.

Seven people were evacuated from the building above the store, but all returned home, a Police Commissioner Kelly told NBC affiliate WNBC.

There was “no message, no note, no advanced phone call,” he said, adding that the blast was caused by a “low order improvised device.”

Police swept the area but no other devices were found and the area seemed safe, WNBC reported.

The city has experienced other predawn explosions in recent years at the British and Mexican consulates and at a military recruiting station in Times Square.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Toppa on May 25, 2009, 12:48:57 PM
Often times when I talk to peo and I tell them I from trini..they like why you leave?..gov't killing your peo?(Tamil), your country is dirt poor?(the list to long)..aids rampant?(long list)..one child policy?(China)..religious oppression?(long list)...War and ethnic cleansing(Iraq,Europe)...uh should hear these peo horror stories.....we have it nice...(if uh ask me is the very countries they run to that causing Trinidad's "destruction"...BET.MTV,50 CENT,Paris Hilton,doh even talk about their political and economic policies) .it does really get me vex when "trinis" in foreign whine about conditions back home when they have know idea the privileged position they in..... they don't even entertain the idea of going back and contributing to the land of their birth..the same land they "big up" occasionally when the situations suits them...stueps

Exactly. Some of the comments here very shameful.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: verycute1 on May 26, 2009, 03:15:45 PM
Just out of curiosity.... those calling for foreign based trinis to help, what do you  believe foreign based trinis should be doing to help the country, that the local based can't do for themselves?

And I don't mean like start a business or something like that because we had a discussion going in a next thread about how people don't want to work so immigrants coming to T&T to do the jobs trinis won't do. SO starting a business that may be staffed by immigrants probably won't "help" local trinis at all.  So what exactly are you looking for?

Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on May 26, 2009, 03:27:04 PM
Often times when I talk to peo and I tell them I from trini..they like why you leave?..gov't killing your peo?(Tamil), your country is dirt poor?(the list to long)..aids rampant?(long list)..one child policy?(China)..religious oppression?(long list)...War and ethnic cleansing(Iraq,Europe)...uh should hear these peo horror stories.....we have it nice...(if uh ask me is the very countries they run to that causing Trinidad's "destruction"...BET.MTV,50 CENT,Paris Hilton,doh even talk about their political and economic policies) .it does really get me vex when "trinis" in foreign whine about conditions back home when they have know idea the privileged position they in..... they don't even entertain the idea of going back and contributing to the land of their birth..the same land they "big up" occasionally when the situations suits them...stueps

Exactly. Some of the comments here very shameful.

TNT is Hell on earth all yuh eh get d memo.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: dcs on May 26, 2009, 03:58:05 PM
Are there local trinis looking for help from abroad?
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on May 26, 2009, 04:10:44 PM
Are there local trinis looking for help from abroad?

 2 join dem in foreign. Things bad here we all need dat green card.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Sam on May 27, 2009, 10:30:29 AM
A few questions for de locals.

What is the minimum wage in T&T
Will you consider opening a business in T&T
What is the price of a gallon of gas
How much is a whitelilly milk now
How much for a loaf of bread
How long do you have to save up for if you were buying a cell phone, ipod or a decent car, not old, or not new, but decent.
If given de opportunity to move to the USA, will you consider
What is the cost of a good pair of Puma or Adidas sneakers in T&T
If you have to go to a restaurant with your girl, how much would dinner and drinks cost
How much to go to the cinema now
How much is a doubles
Is renting expensive, what price will a 2 bedroom apartment go for (gererally) and average.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Bourbon on May 27, 2009, 11:36:37 AM
A few questions for de locals.

What is the minimum wage in T&T 10 an hour. Dahs de last time i checked..could be wrong

Will you consider opening a business in T&T Yeah i would...buh right now...is food places making it mostly.

What is the price of a gallon of gas :Super is 2.70 a litre. So 2.70 TT for 0.26 gallons...so say 10.8 TT for a gallon. Dahs how much US? Premium is 4 a litre...so 16 TT a gallon. Diesel is 1.26 per litre....so 5 dollars TT a gallon.

How much is a whitelilly milk now: Arhmmm....12 to 14 dollars...i loss track since mums start buying de case from pricemart.

How much for a loaf of bread Whole wheat is 11 dollars. White bread is 10.50.

How long do you have to save up for if you were buying a cell phone, ipod or a decent car, not old, or not new, but decent. Wha yuh calling decent..wha yuh salary like etc. car prices depending on local used or wha..could be anywhere from 20 grand to 60 grand at most. Depends on wha you looking for. A metoo cellphone is bout 100 at most. As yuh go up..yuh could still get a decent phone for bout 500. If yuh want to go premium and ting...de cost goes up

If given de opportunity to move to the USA, will you consider. Yeah i would consider....depends on a lot of factors. Depends on wha i going to do..how much i getting paid etc. However i prefer here...less thing to worry bout...weather...children being raised in that society etc.

What is the cost of a good pair of Puma or Adidas sneakers in T&T Me doh study dat...buh...last i checked was bout 4 or 500. Men have skybox and ting..yuh could order and ship down.

If you have to go to a restaurant with your girl, how much would dinner and drinks cost. Depends on wha restaurant. Sauce open air indian delicacies in curepe is 20 dollars for a meal with 3 portions for you...2 for she...and drinks cost depending on wha in de cooler. Buh dahs a normal lime. Resturant....depends on you and she appetite. At least 100....Lets say anywhere from 100 to 600.. could be even more if yuh go behniannas and ting...de cost depends on de poshness of de resturant etc.

How much to go to the cinema now. CC8...22 dollars. 12 on tuesdays. Most other cinemas is like 25 i think...i doh go cinema so. If yuh want to go posh...movie town is bout 40 or 60 or someting so. Doh matter to me cuz i eh goin dey.

How much is a doubles Average of 3 dollars...variance of 1.50 depending on location and vendor. Most places is 4...(as mentioned before.)

Is renting expensive, what price will a 2 bedroom apartment go for (gererally) and average. On the east west corridor..bout 3 grand. Dahs cuz is de east west corridor. South and central might be lil less.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: verycute1 on May 27, 2009, 12:21:33 PM
A few questions for de locals.

What is the minimum wage in T&T 10 an hour. Dahs de last time i checked..could be wrong

Will you consider opening a business in T&T Yeah i would...buh right now...is food places making it mostly.

What is the price of a gallon of gas :Super is 2.70 a litre. So 2.70 TT for 0.26 gallons...so say 10.8 TT for a gallon. Dahs how much US? Premium is 4 a litre...so 16 TT a gallon. Diesel is 1.26 per litre....so 5 dollars TT a gallon.

How much is a whitelilly milk now: Arhmmm....12 to 14 dollars...i loss track since mums start buying de case from pricemart.

How much for a loaf of bread Whole wheat is 11 dollars. White bread is 10.50.

How long do you have to save up for if you were buying a cell phone, ipod or a decent car, not old, or not new, but decent. Wha yuh calling decent..wha yuh salary like etc. car prices depending on local used or wha..could be anywhere from 20 grand to 60 grand at most. Depends on wha you looking for. A metoo cellphone is bout 100 at most. As yuh go up..yuh could still get a decent phone for bout 500. If yuh want to go premium and ting...de cost goes up

If given de opportunity to move to the USA, will you consider. Yeah i would consider....depends on a lot of factors. Depends on wha i going to do..how much i getting paid etc. However i prefer here...less thing to worry bout...weather...children being raised in that society etc.

What is the cost of a good pair of Puma or Adidas sneakers in T&T Me doh study dat...buh...last i checked was bout 4 or 500. Men have skybox and ting..yuh could order and ship down.

If you have to go to a restaurant with your girl, how much would dinner and drinks cost. Depends on wha restaurant. Sauce open air indian delicacies in curepe is 20 dollars for a meal with 3 portions for you...2 for she...and drinks cost depending on wha in de cooler. Buh dahs a normal lime. Resturant....depends on you and she appetite. At least 100....Lets say anywhere from 100 to 600.. could be even more if yuh go behniannas and ting...de cost depends on de poshness of de resturant etc.

How much to go to the cinema now. CC8...22 dollars. 12 on tuesdays. Most other cinemas is like 25 i think...i doh go cinema so. If yuh want to go posh...movie town is bout 40 or 60 or someting so. Doh matter to me cuz i eh goin dey.

How much is a doubles Average of 3 dollars...variance of 1.50 depending on location and vendor. Most places is 4...(as mentioned before.)

Is renting expensive, what price will a 2 bedroom apartment go for (gererally) and average. On the east west corridor..bout 3 grand. Dahs cuz is de east west corridor. South and central might be lil less.

SO someone earning minimum wage about $10 hour, working 40 hours a week makes about $400 tt. so 1200tt a month? Because they don't take out taxes or whatever like in the US right?
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Bourbon on May 27, 2009, 12:31:24 PM
A few questions for de locals.

What is the minimum wage in T&T 10 an hour. Dahs de last time i checked..could be wrong

Will you consider opening a business in T&T Yeah i would...buh right now...is food places making it mostly.

What is the price of a gallon of gas :Super is 2.70 a litre. So 2.70 TT for 0.26 gallons...so say 10.8 TT for a gallon. Dahs how much US? Premium is 4 a litre...so 16 TT a gallon. Diesel is 1.26 per litre....so 5 dollars TT a gallon.

How much is a whitelilly milk now: Arhmmm....12 to 14 dollars...i loss track since mums start buying de case from pricemart.

How much for a loaf of bread Whole wheat is 11 dollars. White bread is 10.50.

How long do you have to save up for if you were buying a cell phone, ipod or a decent car, not old, or not new, but decent. Wha yuh calling decent..wha yuh salary like etc. car prices depending on local used or wha..could be anywhere from 20 grand to 60 grand at most. Depends on wha you looking for. A metoo cellphone is bout 100 at most. As yuh go up..yuh could still get a decent phone for bout 500. If yuh want to go premium and ting...de cost goes up

If given de opportunity to move to the USA, will you consider. Yeah i would consider....depends on a lot of factors. Depends on wha i going to do..how much i getting paid etc. However i prefer here...less thing to worry bout...weather...children being raised in that society etc.

What is the cost of a good pair of Puma or Adidas sneakers in T&T Me doh study dat...buh...last i checked was bout 4 or 500. Men have skybox and ting..yuh could order and ship down.

If you have to go to a restaurant with your girl, how much would dinner and drinks cost. Depends on wha restaurant. Sauce open air indian delicacies in curepe is 20 dollars for a meal with 3 portions for you...2 for she...and drinks cost depending on wha in de cooler. Buh dahs a normal lime. Resturant....depends on you and she appetite. At least 100....Lets say anywhere from 100 to 600.. could be even more if yuh go behniannas and ting...de cost depends on de poshness of de resturant etc.

How much to go to the cinema now. CC8...22 dollars. 12 on tuesdays. Most other cinemas is like 25 i think...i doh go cinema so. If yuh want to go posh...movie town is bout 40 or 60 or someting so. Doh matter to me cuz i eh goin dey.

How much is a doubles Average of 3 dollars...variance of 1.50 depending on location and vendor. Most places is 4...(as mentioned before.)

Is renting expensive, what price will a 2 bedroom apartment go for (gererally) and average. On the east west corridor..bout 3 grand. Dahs cuz is de east west corridor. South and central might be lil less.

SO someone earning minimum wage about $10 hour, working 40 hours a week makes about $400 tt. so 1200tt a month? Because they don't take out taxes or whatever like in the US right?


I cant say for sure....and i honestly cant remember wha minimum wage is now..or if they have to pay NIS or Health..which i think they would and should. So i cant say. I would say making it on minimum wage go be kinda hard honestly.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: verycute1 on May 27, 2009, 02:18:12 PM
Yeah I was asking my mom about the SOL there and she said she doesn't know how anyone making minimum survives. She was talking to a young couple, both teachers, renting, and have 1 child and she said that they told her it's a bit of a struggle, living month to month. I was trying to get an idea of what the minimum income would be that i would need to be able to return and survive comfortably so that I could play stay at home mom and have both kiddies go to school there. Keep getting conflicting figures though.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on May 27, 2009, 06:32:31 PM
Yeah I was asking my mom about the SOL there and she said she doesn't know how anyone making minimum survives. She was talking to a young couple, both teachers, renting, and have 1 child and she said that they told her it's a bit of a struggle, living month to month. I was trying to get an idea of what the minimum income would be that i would need to be able to return and survive comfortably so that I could play stay at home mom and have both kiddies go to school there. Keep getting conflicting figures though.

Minimum wage is 10$. If u wukin 4 under 60k u pay no income tax. So is on NIS and HSC. The most expensive ting in TNT is rent. Peeps payin more rent than I in morgage. MADNESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS X2
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: lefty on May 27, 2009, 08:31:15 PM
The most expensive ting in TNT is rent. Peeps payin more rent than I in morgage. MADNESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS X2

an still dat is more in d north and west in south my neighbor $700 for 3 beds, a living room, kitchen, 2 baths rooms and a gallery, but handle all utilities maybe except water ???
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: truetrini on May 27, 2009, 08:45:26 PM
Wha d hell wrong with some ah Allyuh...

Allyuh crying down we blasted country....

Dont be Brainwashed by others SO CALLED TRINI's who wouldnt set foot on we home soil but quick to point out how bad d country is

I have travelled and lived in many areas of this world and I will tell you from personal experiences we have such a RICH CULTURE at home that others wish they had it as good as we...

Aye lots of good things happening in TNT....Free education, free health care, social development programs, awarding of scholarships, more housing for people....

Our downfalls may be lackadaisical attitudes, procrastination, doe study it mentality....but at d end of d day...it goe get done... TOO MUCH IRRESPONSIBLE MEDIA COVERAGE..from so called journalist who hone there skills in A levels in GP and calling demself journalist....

Omarldinho....great post.... Ask NOT what your country can do for you...but what you can do to make it better....

Speak proudly of TNT.....or else hold on to your new FAKED IDENTITY....but remember at d end of d day...yuh still ah TRINI at heart....doe left dem people change yuh......



All dem free ting and yuh still is ah UNC?  steupse
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on May 27, 2009, 10:46:55 PM
The most expensive ting in TNT is rent. Peeps payin more rent than I in morgage. MADNESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS X2

an still dat is more in d north and west in south my neighbor $700 for 3 beds, a living room, kitchen, 2 baths rooms and a gallery, but handle all utilities maybe except water ???

How long he livin dey nuff yrs. I am sure. I was living Freeport d rent was 1000 when I move it is now 2400. Freeport in St. Mary's not Bahamas. What she do to jack up d rent paint and fix d cupboards and d oors dat she never fix for d 14 yrs I live there.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: lefty on May 28, 2009, 05:31:38 AM

How long he livin dey nuff yrs. I am sure. I was living Freeport d rent was 1000 when I move it is now 2400. Freeport in St. Mary's not Bahamas. What she do to jack up d rent paint and fix d cupboards and d oors dat she never fix for d 14 yrs I live there.

d present tenant um maybe 5yrs, d one before dat 6 or there about, dat house renovate an' rentin since I was 20-21, an it start at $600, wont be surprised it is bit more dan 700 I quoted dis year but I doubt you'll see any crazy 150% percent rise an d owner is ah expat to boot livin over in d states real yrs, I surprise she never ketch AMT(American Money Tustiness)
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: morvant on May 28, 2009, 06:07:53 AM
A few questions for de locals.

What is the minimum wage in T&T 10 an hour. Dahs de last time i checked..could be wrong

Will you consider opening a business in T&T Yeah i would...buh right now...is food places making it mostly.

What is the price of a gallon of gas :Super is 2.70 a litre. So 2.70 TT for 0.26 gallons...so say 10.8 TT for a gallon. Dahs how much US? Premium is 4 a litre...so 16 TT a gallon. Diesel is 1.26 per litre....so 5 dollars TT a gallon.

How much is a whitelilly milk now: Arhmmm....12 to 14 dollars...i loss track since mums start buying de case from pricemart.

How much for a loaf of bread Whole wheat is 11 dollars. White bread is 10.50.

How long do you have to save up for if you were buying a cell phone, ipod or a decent car, not old, or not new, but decent. Wha yuh calling decent..wha yuh salary like etc. car prices depending on local used or wha..could be anywhere from 20 grand to 60 grand at most. Depends on wha you looking for. A metoo cellphone is bout 100 at most. As yuh go up..yuh could still get a decent phone for bout 500. If yuh want to go premium and ting...de cost goes up

If given de opportunity to move to the USA, will you consider. Yeah i would consider....depends on a lot of factors. Depends on wha i going to do..how much i getting paid etc. However i prefer here...less thing to worry bout...weather...children being raised in that society etc.

What is the cost of a good pair of Puma or Adidas sneakers in T&T Me doh study dat...buh...last i checked was bout 4 or 500. Men have skybox and ting..yuh could order and ship down.

If you have to go to a restaurant with your girl, how much would dinner and drinks cost. Depends on wha restaurant. Sauce open air indian delicacies in curepe is 20 dollars for a meal with 3 portions for you...2 for she...and drinks cost depending on wha in de cooler. Buh dahs a normal lime. Resturant....depends on you and she appetite. At least 100....Lets say anywhere from 100 to 600.. could be even more if yuh go behniannas and ting...de cost depends on de poshness of de resturant etc.

How much to go to the cinema now. CC8...22 dollars. 12 on tuesdays. Most other cinemas is like 25 i think...i doh go cinema so. If yuh want to go posh...movie town is bout 40 or 60 or someting so. Doh matter to me cuz i eh goin dey.

How much is a doubles Average of 3 dollars...variance of 1.50 depending on location and vendor. Most places is 4...(as mentioned before.)

Is renting expensive, what price will a 2 bedroom apartment go for (gererally) and average. On the east west corridor..bout 3 grand. Dahs cuz is de east west corridor. South and central might be lil less.

SO someone earning minimum wage about $10 hour, working 40 hours a week makes about $400 tt. so 1200tt a month? Because they don't take out taxes or whatever like in the US right?


nobody in trini making $10 an hour.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: lefty on May 28, 2009, 06:51:14 AM

nobody in trini making $10 an hour.

please elaborate?
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on May 28, 2009, 06:58:06 AM

nobody in trini making $10 an hour.

please elaborate?

Cosign. How much dem clerk in dem stores makin less is a possibility.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: verycute1 on May 28, 2009, 03:21:45 PM

nobody in trini making $10 an hour.

please elaborate?

Cosign. How much dem clerk in dem stores makin less is a possibility.

well skimming through the classifieds of an old Express my grams brought up last time she visit (bout 3 months ago) I see lefty is right.  Salaries seem to start at 12.50 per hour for jobs like security and clerks and drivers. So I will revise my estimates. 12.50 @ 40 hours = $500tt so 2k tt a month?
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on May 28, 2009, 03:24:42 PM

nobody in trini making $10 an hour.

please elaborate?

Cosign. How much dem clerk in dem stores makin less is a possibility.

well skimming through the classifieds of an old Express my grams brought up last time she visit (bout 3 months ago) I see lefty is right.  Salaries seem to start at 12.50 per hour for jobs like security and clerks and drivers. So I will revise my estimates. 12.50 @ 40 hours = $500tt so 2k tt a month?

Dem is d good employer dey payin more than d minimum wage.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: truetrini on May 28, 2009, 06:58:43 PM
I always thought the min wage was 9TT???
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Tallman on May 28, 2009, 07:15:01 PM
I always thought the min wage was 9TT???

Imagine de minimum wage in Kansas is $2.65  ???. Dey say dey go raise it tuh $7.25 next year.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: truetrini on May 28, 2009, 07:29:58 PM
Kansas’ minimum wage to change from $2.65 to $7.25 on Jan. 1

By Scott Rothschild

April 23, 2009

Topeka — The lowest state minimum wage in the country is about to become history.

Gov. Kathleen Sebelius on Thursday signed into law a bill that on Jan. 1 will increase the Kansas state minimum wage of $2.65 per hour to the federal minimum wage, which will be $7.25 per hour.



Calling the increase long overdue, Sebelius added, “While the state minimum wage only applies to a small sector of Kansas’ work force, to them and their families, this legislation is critically important.

“Our economy must return to its core principle that an honest day’s work brings home an honest day’s pay, and today we’re taking a step in that direction.”

Democrats have long fought for an increase in the state minimum wage, but had been stymied by the Kansas Chamber and Republicans, who control the Legislature.

This year, however, several Republican legislators said they were tired of being criticized for the $2.65 per hour minimum and pushed, along with Democrats and fair-wage advocates, for the increase.

House Democratic Leader Paul Davis of Lawrence said the increase was needed to help families and the economy.

“If we want to recover from these difficult times and help Kansans move themselves out of poverty, we must start by guaranteeing a wage that dignifies work,” Davis said.

State Sen. Marci Francisco, D-Lawrence, was a sponsor of the bill calling for an increase.

Labor officials said about 19,000 Kansans were making below the federal minimum wage. Companies that have less than $500,000 a year in annual revenue and don’t engage in interstate commerce are exempt from the federal level.

The $2.65 per hour Kansas state minimum wage is the lowest of 45 states that have a state minimum and hasn’t been increased since 1988.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Sando on May 29, 2009, 09:45:01 AM
A few questions for de locals.

What is the minimum wage in T&T 10 an hour. Dahs de last time i checked..could be wrong

Will you consider opening a business in T&T Yeah i would...buh right now...is food places making it mostly.

What is the price of a gallon of gas :Super is 2.70 a litre. So 2.70 TT for 0.26 gallons...so say 10.8 TT for a gallon. Dahs how much US? Premium is 4 a litre...so 16 TT a gallon. Diesel is 1.26 per litre....so 5 dollars TT a gallon.

How much is a whitelilly milk now: Arhmmm....12 to 14 dollars...i loss track since mums start buying de case from pricemart.

How much for a loaf of bread Whole wheat is 11 dollars. White bread is 10.50.

How long do you have to save up for if you were buying a cell phone, ipod or a decent car, not old, or not new, but decent. Wha yuh calling decent..wha yuh salary like etc. car prices depending on local used or wha..could be anywhere from 20 grand to 60 grand at most. Depends on wha you looking for. A metoo cellphone is bout 100 at most. As yuh go up..yuh could still get a decent phone for bout 500. If yuh want to go premium and ting...de cost goes up

If given de opportunity to move to the USA, will you consider. Yeah i would consider....depends on a lot of factors. Depends on wha i going to do..how much i getting paid etc. However i prefer here...less thing to worry bout...weather...children being raised in that society etc.

What is the cost of a good pair of Puma or Adidas sneakers in T&T Me doh study dat...buh...last i checked was bout 4 or 500. Men have skybox and ting..yuh could order and ship down.

If you have to go to a restaurant with your girl, how much would dinner and drinks cost. Depends on wha restaurant. Sauce open air indian delicacies in curepe is 20 dollars for a meal with 3 portions for you...2 for she...and drinks cost depending on wha in de cooler. Buh dahs a normal lime. Resturant....depends on you and she appetite. At least 100....Lets say anywhere from 100 to 600.. could be even more if yuh go behniannas and ting...de cost depends on de poshness of de resturant etc.

How much to go to the cinema now. CC8...22 dollars. 12 on tuesdays. Most other cinemas is like 25 i think...i doh go cinema so. If yuh want to go posh...movie town is bout 40 or 60 or someting so. Doh matter to me cuz i eh goin dey.

How much is a doubles Average of 3 dollars...variance of 1.50 depending on location and vendor. Most places is 4...(as mentioned before.)

Is renting expensive, what price will a 2 bedroom apartment go for (gererally) and average. On the east west corridor..bout 3 grand. Dahs cuz is de east west corridor. South and central might be lil less.

Bourbon you will open a business in T&T and risk getting kidnapp, rob or beaten badly...

Steups....

Right now in T&T I am sure any business men wish they could close up shop as they always have to watch their backs and cant engoy they money without some bandit lurking.

The government not doing anything to protect the businesses in T&T and it will have problems down the road if this continues.

Even bank tellers revealing to kidnappers how much money you have in the bank. And Police turning the other cheek.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on May 29, 2009, 09:57:17 AM
A few questions for de locals.

What is the minimum wage in T&T 10 an hour. Dahs de last time i checked..could be wrong

Will you consider opening a business in T&T Yeah i would...buh right now...is food places making it mostly.

What is the price of a gallon of gas :Super is 2.70 a litre. So 2.70 TT for 0.26 gallons...so say 10.8 TT for a gallon. Dahs how much US? Premium is 4 a litre...so 16 TT a gallon. Diesel is 1.26 per litre....so 5 dollars TT a gallon.

How much is a whitelilly milk now: Arhmmm....12 to 14 dollars...i loss track since mums start buying de case from pricemart.

How much for a loaf of bread Whole wheat is 11 dollars. White bread is 10.50.

How long do you have to save up for if you were buying a cell phone, ipod or a decent car, not old, or not new, but decent. Wha yuh calling decent..wha yuh salary like etc. car prices depending on local used or wha..could be anywhere from 20 grand to 60 grand at most. Depends on wha you looking for. A metoo cellphone is bout 100 at most. As yuh go up..yuh could still get a decent phone for bout 500. If yuh want to go premium and ting...de cost goes up

If given de opportunity to move to the USA, will you consider. Yeah i would consider....depends on a lot of factors. Depends on wha i going to do..how much i getting paid etc. However i prefer here...less thing to worry bout...weather...children being raised in that society etc.

What is the cost of a good pair of Puma or Adidas sneakers in T&T Me doh study dat...buh...last i checked was bout 4 or 500. Men have skybox and ting..yuh could order and ship down.

If you have to go to a restaurant with your girl, how much would dinner and drinks cost. Depends on wha restaurant. Sauce open air indian delicacies in curepe is 20 dollars for a meal with 3 portions for you...2 for she...and drinks cost depending on wha in de cooler. Buh dahs a normal lime. Resturant....depends on you and she appetite. At least 100....Lets say anywhere from 100 to 600.. could be even more if yuh go behniannas and ting...de cost depends on de poshness of de resturant etc.

How much to go to the cinema now. CC8...22 dollars. 12 on tuesdays. Most other cinemas is like 25 i think...i doh go cinema so. If yuh want to go posh...movie town is bout 40 or 60 or someting so. Doh matter to me cuz i eh goin dey.

How much is a doubles Average of 3 dollars...variance of 1.50 depending on location and vendor. Most places is 4...(as mentioned before.)

Is renting expensive, what price will a 2 bedroom apartment go for (gererally) and average. On the east west corridor..bout 3 grand. Dahs cuz is de east west corridor. South and central might be lil less.

Bourbon you will open a business in T&T and risk getting kidnapp, rob or beaten badly...

Steups....

Right now in T&T I am sure any business men wish they could close up shop as they always have to watch their backs and cant engoy they money without some bandit lurking.

The government not doing anything to protect the businesses in T&T and it will have problems down the road if this continues.

Even bank tellers revealing to kidnappers how much money you have in the bank. And Police turning the other cheek.

Dey eh goin a place because of dey super abnormal profits dey makin. D money dey usin 2 rip we of go higher personal security.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Sando on May 29, 2009, 10:01:26 AM
weary1969, de difference is, they not putting a gun by your head to buy from them. Its your choice. They also create employment, so its a cycle.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: truetrini on May 29, 2009, 01:33:52 PM
weary1969, de difference is, they not putting a gun by your head to buy from them. Its your choice. They also create employment, so its a cycle.

so who and where yuh go buy from?

steups...dais wha de government need to protect de population from...dem rip off businesses down dey.

Dem business people eh want to close up shop and leave at all at all..dais ole talk, life too sweet in sweet t&t, STILL ONE AH DE SWEETEST PLACES IN DE entire world!
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on May 29, 2009, 05:42:03 PM
weary1969, de difference is, they not putting a gun by your head to buy from them. Its your choice. They also create employment, so its a cycle.

so who and where yuh go buy from?

steups...dais wha de government need to protect de population from...dem rip off businesses down dey.

Dem business people eh want to close up shop and leave at all at all..dais ole talk, life too sweet in sweet t&t, STILL ONE AH DE SWEETEST PLACES IN DE entire world!

Dem buzinessmen who inspire d phrase NAHHHHHHH LEAVINGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Sando on May 30, 2009, 08:24:16 AM
weary1969, de difference is, they not putting a gun by your head to buy from them. Its your choice. They also create employment, so its a cycle.

so who and where yuh go buy from?

steups...dais wha de government need to protect de population from...dem rip off businesses down dey.

Dem business people eh want to close up shop and leave at all at all..dais ole talk, life too sweet in sweet t&t, STILL ONE AH DE SWEETEST PLACES IN DE entire world!

So one business rob you and all should pay...

That makes sence, no wonder you guys still live in T&T, allyuh mentality real poor.

It have good and bad in everything, I am sure it have good businesses in T&T and its always the good one who gets the worst part of the stick.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: truetrini on May 30, 2009, 10:12:55 AM
weary1969, de difference is, they not putting a gun by your head to buy from them. Its your choice. They also create employment, so its a cycle.

so who and where yuh go buy from?

steups...dais wha de government need to protect de population from...dem rip off businesses down dey.

Dem business people eh want to close up shop and leave at all at all..dais ole talk, life too sweet in sweet t&t, STILL ONE AH DE SWEETEST PLACES IN DE entire world!

So one business rob you and all should pay...

That makes sence, no wonder you guys still live in T&T, allyuh mentality real poor.

It have good and bad in everything, I am sure it have good businesses in T&T and its always the good one who gets the worst part of the stick.

Explain yuh post nah, I have aa bad trini mentality and eh understand wha de f**k yuh trying to say?

ne business?  Fella yuh facking clueless troinidad full ah crooked business men and MOST ah dem robbing de people blind, de Banks is de first big tief!
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Sando on May 30, 2009, 10:58:19 AM
Ok Trinity Cross, give we your solution ? Rob and kidnap all the business people, right ? because they forcing you to buy from them.

Them time will come boss, that is what I mean, the people in T&T have to stand up for their rights and do something, but not be happy business people get rob or kidnap. Violence is not the answer. Blame your government.

Answer me this, Is all businesses robbing the people ?
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Dumplingdinho on May 30, 2009, 07:55:36 PM
Trinity Cross,
Can you explain yuh statement that banks are big crooks?  I am curious to see if we on the same page.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: fari on May 30, 2009, 08:43:03 PM
i vote me. to me it ent make sense waiting for tings to change, the trinis who have lived abroad usually are able to pinpoint what the failings in tnt are and i feel we are the ones with the power to effect change. 
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Bourbon on May 30, 2009, 09:22:31 PM
So Sando...yuh at risk of getting yuh computer getting a virus everytime yuh use de internet.....dah cause yuh to not use it or yuh just does take proper precautions when yuh using it?

My mother has a buisness and i help out in it. Nothing big.....just a shop that sells teaching aids and supplies for teachers. So....it eh any and everybody who would know bout it..or patronise it. Even when customers do come.....since it right by our house....we just open up....let them in...lock the door. Street sense and common sense very useful here. Same with the other small shop my father and I had.....it eh somewhere that would be frequented daily....but still yuh using common sense.

It have a 24hrs grocery that open up arouca.....doors cant open unless a button is pressed by the person behind the counter...both to enter and leave. Sounds a bit risky...but.....it making any robbery a bit harder.

The threat of being robbed is real anywhere in the world. Is just for you to be aware and not make stupid decisions. I personally doh worry too much bout being a victim of a crime..because...I trust God...if yuh eh ready to die..den why should you live. I personally know i not fighting up with any bandit.....let dem take de little i have...i doh move around with much cash...if yuh want my phone..no scene...if is not too much trouble could i get de sim card please. Dahs how i dropping it...is jus posessions.....my life eh worth it. Heaven forbid the life of one of my family members or friends in danger or rape threatened or something...then the reaction would be different. But...again..i try to minimse risk. I try to be aware of my surroundings.....not be in certain places at certain times..when i do...my phone on silent and i careful when and where i pulling it out to answer it. My brethrin went to the point he have a pocket attached to the inside of his pocket dat goin inbetween his leg..and he hides his phone there. Take steps to protect yuhself...primarily by not putting yourself at risk.


Trinity Cross,
Can you explain yuh statement that banks are big crooks?  I am curious to see if we on the same page.

Yeah banks are big crooks. One example..one time my father had to wire a grand US abroad....direct to an account to pay for something. When he went to the bank..they said they couldnt just send it...he had to sell them the money at 6 tt per 1 us....and buy it back at 6.3 tt to send it. He start to make noise...buh dahs jus one example. My mother constantly hadda be calling de bank cuz of madness dey doin..and since de average trini doh read and check up...dey could get dey eyes dig out. Buisnesses too. It happens in so many ways.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: truetrini on May 30, 2009, 10:14:42 PM
Ok Trinity Cross, give we your solution ? Rob and kidnap all the business people, right ? because they forcing you to buy from them.

Them time will come boss, that is what I mean, the people in T&T have to stand up for their rights and do something, but not be happy business people get rob or kidnap. Violence is not the answer. Blame your government.

Answer me this, Is all businesses robbing the people ?

fella yuh is ah idiot ot wha?  How do you conclude that I endorse robbing and kidnapping?

steups..I done with you yes..take win.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: truetrini on May 30, 2009, 10:16:19 PM
Trinity Cross,
Can you explain yuh statement that banks are big crooks?  I am curious to see if we on the same page.

They charge you thru the teeth and yuh eh have no choice really as dey all get together to formulate fees!  Is  anti trust dem on, secondly imagine taking ah loan for ah house for 30 years,a nd yuh decide to pay it off in 20 is BIG penalty in yuh pweffen dem want you to be in debt forever...dey ridiculous...dere is a lot more shit dey soing without regulations.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: fishs on May 30, 2009, 10:57:48 PM
Trinity Cross,
Can you explain yuh statement that banks are big crooks?  I am curious to see if we on the same page.

They charge you thru the teeth and yuh eh have no choice really as dey all get together to formulate fees!  Is  anti trust dem on, secondly imagine taking ah loan for ah house for 30 years,a nd yuh decide to pay it off in 20 is BIG penalty in yuh pweffen dem want you to be in debt forever...dey ridiculous...dere is a lot more shit dey soing without regulations.

Ah ask a fren in the legal fraternity about it , he say it simple, doh buy it if yuh doh want it, meaning it is in the agreement and yuh have no legal recourse and he went further on to say the reason why we would not have anti trust laws and monopoly laws is because as soon as man get in the position to fix it they get honorary membership in the money so to speak. Morris Marshall death really fook we up.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Sando on May 31, 2009, 06:04:37 AM
Murder toll hits 222
By RHONDOR DOWLAT (Newsday).


THE MURDER toll rose to 222 yesterday with two murders in the La Horquetta and Laventille area. One of the victims was a 15-year-old schoolboy.

The first incident, according to a police report, occurred at about 9 pm at Eric James Avenue, Phase Three, La Horquetta. Police said CEPEP worker, Denzil Paria was playing cards with some friends two houses away from where he lived when gunmen approached him and opened fire. Paria was taken to the Arima District Hospital where he was pronounced dead on arrival. Police are yet to determine a motive for the killing.

The second incident occurred at about 10.30 pm at Upper Espinet Street in Laventille.

Police said 15-year-old Belford Stapleton was shot three times in the yard of his home. Police are also yet to determine a motive for that killing.

Speaking with Sunday Newsday yesterday, Stapleton’s father, Grafton Williams, 68, said that he and his son were out and had just entered the gate together when his son said that he heard someone’s voice at the side of the house.

Williams said that his son left him standing on the steps of the house and went to check.

He added that within seconds he heard his son talking to someone, “So I went inside because I tell myself that he (Stapleton) might have known the person because they were talking. I went to the bathroom and after awhile I called out to Belford but I did not hear him answer.

“After a while I heard three gunshots but it did not seem to sound like by my house. It sounded far away so I did not take it on.

“I then left to go to a neighbour’s house and that was when his brother and two friends came by and asked for him. I told them that he was talking to someone at the side of the house and I am sure that he did not go out the gate.

“His brother and friends decided to go look for him. After a few minutes I heard my son scream out ‘Oh God, they kill my brother’. I was shocked to see that Belford was dead,” Williams said.

He claimed that his son, who was pursuing carpentry at Servol, was not involved in any gang activities, “I am asking myself the question as to why someone would want to kill my son. There is no possible reason I can think of. My son and I, we were like best friends. He slept with me and we often sat and chat with each other. He never left my side,” he added.

Investigations are continuing.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: chinee boi on May 31, 2009, 08:16:35 AM
Trinity Cross,
Can you explain yuh statement that banks are big crooks?  I am curious to see if we on the same page.

They charge you thru the teeth and yuh eh have no choice really as dey all get together to formulate fees!  Is  anti trust dem on, secondly imagine taking ah loan for ah house for 30 years,a nd yuh decide to pay it off in 20 is BIG penalty in yuh pweffen dem want you to be in debt forever...dey ridiculous...dere is a lot more shit dey soing without regulations.

Trinity Cross that is everywhere in the world.  Banking is a business, people don't open these banks to lose money, take it or leave it.  But I understand what you mean but i guess that is why they say the rich get richer and the poor get poorer
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: truetrini on May 31, 2009, 09:11:01 AM
Trinity Cross,
Can you explain yuh statement that banks are big crooks?  I am curious to see if we on the same page.

They charge you thru the teeth and yuh eh have no choice really as dey all get together to formulate fees!  Is  anti trust dem on, secondly imagine taking ah loan for ah house for 30 years,a nd yuh decide to pay it off in 20 is BIG penalty in yuh pweffen dem want you to be in debt forever...dey ridiculous...dere is a lot more shit dey soing without regulations.

Trinity Cross that is everywhere in the world.  Banking is a business, people don't open these banks to lose money, take it or leave it.  But I understand what you mean but i guess that is why they say the rich get richer and the poor get poorer

No it is not the same all over the world, certain home loans do have re-payment penalities but it is never as bad as home, and after a 2  or 3 year period the penalty goeas away, NOT SO IN T&T..is fuh de life ah de damn loan..dat is facking BS>

Besides T&T needs regulation to prevent this shit...no one says banks should not make a profit, dais why dey does lend on interest, is de way amount dey squeezing out ah yuh.

de take it or leave it talk is bull shit too, Jack warner used de same talk...like yuh forget?

when people want tuh buy ah house unless dey have de whole amount cash..wha dey go do?

steups, or need a credit card for travel etc.? 
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: ribbit on May 31, 2009, 03:13:18 PM
banks and business makin too much?  steups. that is de typical "something for nothing" mentality.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on May 31, 2009, 04:35:41 PM
banks and business makin too much?  steups. that is de typical "something for nothing" mentality.

LOUDESTTTTTTTTTTT OF STEUPSSSSSSSSS. U go POS with a cheque from d sando branch and dey want to charge u $15 4 a phone call. When I was in Mona they used to check d signature from TNT 4 FREEEEEEEE.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: verycute1 on May 31, 2009, 07:09:28 PM
Trinity Cross,
Can you explain yuh statement that banks are big crooks?  I am curious to see if we on the same page.

They charge you thru the teeth and yuh eh have no choice really as dey all get together to formulate fees!  Is  anti trust dem on, secondly imagine taking ah loan for ah house for 30 years,a nd yuh decide to pay it off in 20 is BIG penalty in yuh pweffen dem want you to be in debt forever...dey ridiculous...dere is a lot more shit dey soing without regulations.


Never thought I would see the day but.............. Trinity I agree with you. My father had a loan with Republic for his house. A 20 year thing. He take early retirement and get a nice lump sum and decide he want to clear up every thing he have loan wise. He say when he walk into there and tell them what he doing, the lady start to tell him he can't do that because the loan still have 11 years on it. He tell her call a manager. Manager start to give him a set of talk and hem and haw and blah blah they have to charge penalties. My father say fine, work out the penalties. He had bout 250K left on the loan and by the time they add on penalty, the final thing come out to nearly 500k. My father tell them what kinda nonsense is this the penalties coming up to as much as the balance, they tell him he more than welcome to keep the original loan but while he there they need to go over the interest rate because the person who did the  loan way back when made a mistake and charge him too low. It take them nine years to realise the interest rate too low. He say he look at the manager and he tell him pull up his account and read the nice big  figure in it. Manager do so and tune change "Oh we could work with you blah blah" He tell the manager no, take out the 500k for the loan and then make a cashiers check for the rest. Manager say what. Father tell him this is the last day I ever do business with republic, and he take his money and he gone.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on May 31, 2009, 07:29:20 PM
Trinity Cross,
Can you explain yuh statement that banks are big crooks?  I am curious to see if we on the same page.

They charge you thru the teeth and yuh eh have no choice really as dey all get together to formulate fees!  Is  anti trust dem on, secondly imagine taking ah loan for ah house for 30 years,a nd yuh decide to pay it off in 20 is BIG penalty in yuh pweffen dem want you to be in debt forever...dey ridiculous...dere is a lot more shit dey soing without regulations.


Never thought I would see the day but.............. Trinity I agree with you. My father had a loan with Republic for his house. A 20 year thing. He take early retirement and get a nice lump sum and decide he want to clear up every thing he have loan wise. He say when he walk into there and tell them what he doing, the lady start to tell him he can't do that because the loan still have 11 years on it. He tell her call a manager. Manager start to give him a set of talk and hem and haw and blah blah they have to charge penalties. My father say fine, work out the penalties. He had bout 250K left on the loan and by the time they add on penalty, the final thing come out to nearly 500k. My father tell them what kinda nonsense is this the penalties coming up to as much as the balance, they tell him he more than welcome to keep the original loan but while he there they need to go over the interest rate because the person who did the  loan way back when made a mistake and charge him too low. It take them nine years to realise the interest rate too low. He say he look at the manager and he tell him pull up his account and read the nice big  figure in it. Manager do so and tune change "Oh we could work with you blah blah" He tell the manager no, take out the 500k for the loan and then make a cashiers check for the rest. Manager say what. Father tell him this is the last day I ever do business with republic, and he take his money and he gone.

Did not expect him 2 take their bluff. Good 4 dem
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Dumplingdinho on May 31, 2009, 07:47:20 PM
I read ah article recently where dey say banks in de US attribute 70% of dey revenues to fees, so i eh expect trinidad to be any different.

i know in de US it depends on de terms and conditions of the mortgage whether or not u have ah penalty for paying it early while i tink in trinidad once u pay early u have to pay ah penalty.

my issue with banks besides the fees (nothing wrong with fees excepot when dey set yuh up to pay fees) is their inability to really focus on the customer.  It is all about the bottomline to dem, i know no one starts a business to fail and profit is the objective but at the same time bullying ppl is wrong.

I bank with endless banks in my time, scotia, republic and royal and dey are all full of shit.  De only time yuh have a lil leverage is if yuh have plenty money and threaten to take it elsewhere den dey does suddenly become helpful.

As for me, i know nuff ppl at Republic because mih brother use to work dey so I does get de link up otherwise it would be real pressure dealing with dey bullshit.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Savannah boy on June 01, 2009, 11:06:10 AM
T&T sweet fuh so but seriously, do you really have an idea how many business people had to leave our shores for the safety of themselves and their families.  The reward for going to school and beating book is to live in fear of some youths who into perpetual liming and time wasting.  Something not right there.  Until dat obstacle is removed, it doh have no going back and lending ah helping hand to yuh birth land.  Wise investments doh include no loyalties.  I went to Saints so I know plenty from de brain drain who have been directly affected by de crime scene.  Some were killed because de family could not come up with a full ransom.  Dis going on long time now.  Is jes that it getting worse.  Those who own ah bizness know what I talking about.  Those who do not take financial risks and prefer to work all thier lives for other peeps remain unaffected.  Their worry is whether to jump in PH car or not and dat is a whole other story.  Ah jes telling yuh, bizness people under real pressure back home.  Going to the bank alone is like an episode of Survivor.  All de beach, carnival, pan, soca, rum, fete, bumsee, wining, doubles, roti, pelau, bake & shark and whaever else we does indulge in cyah remove dat fear.  It does affect people sleep.  Try sleeping with one eye open all de time.  De idea dat it have natural stress jes by being in North America or Europe is fallacious.  It have stress everywhere unless yuh lacking some blasted ambition and...NO...holding down ah lil work jes to pay bills is not ambition.  In dat case, yuh better off going home.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: truetrini on June 01, 2009, 02:34:53 PM
T&T sweet fuh so but seriously, do you really have an idea how many business people had to leave our shores for the safety of themselves and their families.  The reward for going to school and beating book is to live in fear of some youths who into perpetual liming and time wasting.  Something not right there.  Until dat obstacle is removed, it doh have no going back and lending ah helping hand to yuh birth land.  Wise investments doh include no loyalties.  I went to Saints so I know plenty from de brain drain who have been directly affected by de crime scene.  Some were killed because de family could not come up with a full ransom.  Dis going on long time now.  Is jes that it getting worse.  Those who own ah bizness know what I talking about.  Those who do not take financial risks and prefer to work all thier lives for other peeps remain unaffected.  Their worry is whether to jump in PH car or not and dat is a whole other story.  Ah jes telling yuh, bizness people under real pressure back home.  Going to the bank alone is like an episode of Survivor.  All de beach, carnival, pan, soca, rum, fete, bumsee, wining, doubles, roti, pelau, bake & shark and whaever else we does indulge in cyah remove dat fear.  It does affect people sleep.  Try sleeping with one eye open all de time.  De idea dat it have natural stress jes by being in North America or Europe is fallacious.  It have stress everywhere unless yuh lacking some blasted ambition and...NO...holding down ah lil work jes to pay bills is not ambition. 

unless yuh doing wrong, yuh eh sleeping with one eye open at all...stop dat
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: elan on June 01, 2009, 03:01:40 PM
Shooting leaves 1 soldier dead, 1 hurt at Arkansas centerStory Highlights
     
(CNN) -- A U.S. soldier was killed and a second was wounded Monday in an apparent drive-by shooting at a recruiting center in Little Rock, Arkansas, police said.


Paramedics transport a soldier on a gurney Monday after an apparent drive-by shooting in Little Rock, Arkansas.

 The second soldier's injuries were not life-threatening, said police Lt. Terry Hastings.

Authorities were notified about 10:19 a.m. (11:19 a.m. ET) about a shooting at the Army/Navy Career Center, Hastings said. Arriving officers found the two soldiers had been shot.

The soldiers were part of a recruiting program called "hometown recruiting assistance," said Lt. Col. Thomas F. Artis, commander of the Oklahoma recruiting battalion that oversees the Little Rock recruiting center. Under the program, recruiters have the soldiers tell their stories to potential recruits. It's a volunteer position taken while soldiers are visiting or based back in their home region, Artis said.

The two victims were just out of basic training, he said, and had not been deployed.

Police believe a man in a black SUV drove by and fired on the soldiers as they were standing outside, Hastings said.

A suspect was arrested after officers saw a vehicle matching the description on a nearby interstate and pulled it over.  Watch police walk with handcuffed arrestee »

Authorities searched the vehicle and found an assault rifle, Hastings said. A bomb squad was called in, as police were concerned about two bags in the vehicle, but no explosives were found, he said.


The FBI has opened an investigation into the incident, said Steven Frazier, spokesman for the agency's Little Rock office. "Based on what we find, we will determine whether there is any federal jurisdiction to prosecute," he said.

Police are trying to determine a motive in the shooting, Hastings said.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: elan on June 01, 2009, 03:05:59 PM
School in Lowell closes due to budgetary problems



LOWELL, Mass -- At the end of the current school year, the Rogers Middle School will close its doors for the final time.

The school's closing represents the latest victim of the country's economic emergency. 575 students will be displaced.

"When (my daughter) found out, she was crying because there's a couple teachers she loves," said parent Mark White. "The way they're trying to save money, there's other things they can do."

Superintendent Chris Scott said the district was forced to close the school because of a $9.5 million budget deficit. Rogers is the Lowell's biggest middle school. The shutdown is expected to save $3.3 million in operating costs.

Once classes end at the start of summer, the building will become the new home to the school district's office, adult education classes, and an adult literacy center. The moves are projected to save the city nearly $1 million in rent per year.

Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: verycute1 on June 01, 2009, 03:25:47 PM
Elan it has been acknowledged that it have crime everywhere, not just in trinidad. And the thread is about "would youreturn home" not "wow another crime in the US" In spite of the recent bombing attempt (which could have been a disgruntled ex employee)  I still going starbucks for my iced mocha latte. The population of the US is much larger than T&T so I expect a certain amount of crime to come out of many states in the US. I don't expect as much "reported crime as I see in the TT media" And you could say that the media is being sensationalist but at least we are hearing about the crimes taking place. I also expect a quick response when I call 911 for whatever reason, be it a drunk idiot singing in the street at 3am or a bunch of teenagers breaking into the abandoned house next to me. I know that T&T has changed in the past several years, but I remember when police couldn't come to "investigate" because the one  car at the station shut down. They just close 2 schools in the county I live in and consolidating the student body between the remaining 10. Is a sign of the times, the states running out of money and you have to see belts tighten everywhere. GM file for bankrupcy.  Obama take his lady out for movie night at the taxpayer's expense. Now you need a passport to go to canada and mexico. They kill an abortion doctor a few days ago. There is a missing french  jet that probably went down somewhere over the atlantic, The taliban still kidnapping people left right and center. North Korea testing missiles.....



Oh yeah and here  are some headlines from Today's Express.

    
Screams on cellphone
What happened to Kelly?
Gyasi Gonzales ggonzales@trinidadexpress.com


Monday, June 1st 2009

   
Kelly and her son

WHAT happened to Kelly Samaroo-Bradshaw between last Thursday night and Friday morning?

This is all her family would like to know now.

She died at the Port of Spain General Hospital's Intensive Care Unit on Friday at 4 p.m.

The 18-year-old lived with her parents at Persad Lane, which is off St Lucien Road in Diego Martin, and she was the mother of an eight-month-old baby. She was also self- employed.

According to Kit Samaroo, Kelly's Samaroo's father, his daughter had hired a car to take her to Beetham Gardens the last time they saw her alive.

He continued: "When she reach her destination (around 1.30 a.m. Friday morning)...I eh know if it's a gunshot they heard. She tell the driver, drop meh here but the driver reverse back and drag she".

He said they heard her screaming over the phone but were unsure exactly what was transpiring at that time.

"I don't know if the driver either put she out or kick she out," he said.

He said when he visited her at the hospital she had a number of severe bruises to her face.

He said some Beetham Gardens residents eventually found her unconscious, scrolled through her cell-phone, got the phone number of her parents and called them.

They also called the Emergency Medical Services, who took her to the hospital.

The dead woman's sister, Ashley Samaroo, said, "I want somebody come forward and really tell us what happened to my sister. This is something real devastating."

The young woman also explained that her sister had a "misunderstanding" with her husband sometime last week and decided that she would lime with her best friend (name called) at a nightclub in Curepe on Thursday night.

"The driver not coming forward to tell us what happened. He just hiding. We need to get some justice for this...I mean, you drop off a passenger and the girl was bawling," she said.

Officers from the Besson Street Police Station are continuing investigations into the teenager's death.

One officer said yesterday that they were working on theories but could not divulge more because of the sensitive nature of the case.


Maraval man gunned down
Monday, June 1st 2009


   

A Maraval man was shot dead on Saturday night and police believe his murder was either a case of mistaken identity or that someone wanted to send a message to the people he knew.

The victim was identified as Junior Sandyford, who lived with his relatives at Monticello Drive, Le Platte Village, Maraval.

According to the police, just after 8 p.m. Sandyford, 46, was sitting on a bridge near the corner of Maraval Road and Morne Coco Road, obliquely opposite a playing field, when a man walked up to him and opened fire. The killer then fled.

Someone saw Sandyford lying on the road and took him to the Port of Spain General Hospital, where he died on arrival.

The Express visited his relatives yesterday afternoon in Maraval. They were polite but firm in their refusal to be interviewed, with the exception of one relative. He described Sandyford as an easy-going fellow but said that he did not know why he was killed.

According to his step-father, who did not want his name mentioned, Sandyford returned from the United States just under two years ago.

He was about to tell reporters a little more about Sandyford when his relatives objected.

Homicide Bureau officers said he was known to them but only for minor crimes. Investigations are continuing. - GG


Body at old gas station: murder not ruled out
Monday, June 1st 2009


   

POLICE believe a man, who was found dead in a now defunct gas station off the Eastern Main Road in Petit Bourg, may have fallen, hit his head and died yesterday. Richard Wilson, 53, was found in a back room of the building around 7.30 a.m.

However, up to last night, the officers had not yet ruled out murder because of the amount of blood found at the scene. A postmortem to determine the cause of this death is scheduled for today.

From all reports, Wilson lived at the station, which is now being used as a car-wash centre. The building is also used as an office for the People's National Movement (PNM) during election time.

According to a good friend of his, Wilson began working at the car-wash about three months ago as a night watchman. He was last seen on Saturday evening, when he and some friends went with liming.

Yesterday morning, one of his friends/co-workers, who only wanted to be identified as "Panday", arrived at the station but did not see Wilson. Both he and another co-worker began checking the building and found his body in a back-room/office.

He was in a sitting position with his back against a wall. Blood was seen coming from his nose and there was also dried blood on the floor.

"He is a not a violent person," said Panday.

"It hurts my heart about what happened, he works with me. I hope that this is a case of sickness (death by natural causes) and not violence."

Wilson's sister was on the scene yesterday but offered no comment to the media. Homicide Bureau officers are continuing investigations. - GG

Passengers stranded
Frustration at port...
Rickie Ramdass rramdass@trinidadexpress.com


Monday, June 1st 2009

   
HIGH AND DRY: Stranded passenger Marjorie Phillip shows the ticket stub which was torn by officials of the T&T Spirit to go to Tobago. - Photo: ANISTO ALVES

FRUSTRATIONS were high and tempers flared at the Port of Port of Spain yesterday evening, as some 200 passengers who were to make their way onto the T&T Spirit to sail to Tobago were left stranded.

Six of those who were made to stand and watch their belongings sail away on the ship without the assurance of it being returned safely, were visitors from London, England.

Some passengers blamed the situation on bad management, while others said it was the Government that "rented space" on the T&T Spirit to transport passengers from Tobago to Trinidad to attend yesterday's PNM Sports and Family Day at the Eddie Hart Grounds in Tacarigua. -See Page 5. Those who attended the event were then given first preference to board the boat in order to return home, while normal "John Public passengers", many of whom had purchased their tickets months in advance, were denied access.

When the Express visited the port, the gates were locked and no one was allowed to enter the terminal.

Majorie Phillip, one of the affected passengers, said, "I have nowhere to stay. I gave up my hotel keys. I have no money, not even for dinner tonight.

"They tear my ticket and now I can't go on the boat? The problem is bad management. My question is why tear the ticket if they know we can't get on the boat?"

Jane Henderson, one of the visitors from London, said she came to Trinidad with five of her friends for a wedding, but the experience was a very displeasing one. Everything was just unorganised, she added.

"I saw our belongings go onto the boat, and a someone inside told me that it may be returned tomorrow morning but he is not certain," Henderson told the Express.

Aliicja Suska, also from London, said, "This is a critical mess. With a situation like this how are we going to recommend our families to visit Trinidad? Trinidad is losing tourism."

But officials at the port said the passengers were just blowing the entire situation out of proportion. They blamed the situation on a lack of life jackets on board the ship.

"There are not enough life jackets on the ship to accommodate the passengers," an official said.

They assured that those who were affected would be repaid their money. When asked about the accusation by some of the passengers about spots being bought for the PNM members, the official, who asked to not be identified, said she did not wish to commen
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: asylumseeker on June 01, 2009, 04:14:22 PM
T&T sweet fuh so but seriously, do you really have an idea how many business people had to leave our shores for the safety of themselves and their families.  The reward for going to school and beating book is to live in fear of some youths who into perpetual liming and time wasting.  Something not right there.  Until dat obstacle is removed, it doh have no going back and lending ah helping hand to yuh birth land.  Wise investments doh include no loyalties.  I went to Saints so I know plenty from de brain drain who have been directly affected by de crime scene.  Some were killed because de family could not come up with a full ransom.  Dis going on long time now.  Is jes that it getting worse.  Those who own ah bizness know what I talking about.  Those who do not take financial risks and prefer to work all thier lives for other peeps remain unaffected.  Their worry is whether to jump in PH car or not and dat is a whole other story.  Ah jes telling yuh, bizness people under real pressure back home.  Going to the bank alone is like an episode of Survivor.  All de beach, carnival, pan, soca, rum, fete, bumsee, wining, doubles, roti, pelau, bake & shark and whaever else we does indulge in cyah remove dat fear.  It does affect people sleep.  Try sleeping with one eye open all de time.  De idea dat it have natural stress jes by being in North America or Europe is fallacious.  It have stress everywhere unless yuh lacking some blasted ambition and...NO...holding down ah lil work jes to pay bills is not ambition.  In dat case, yuh better off going home.

Yuh cyah get more lucid that these comments.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Sando on June 02, 2009, 07:35:47 AM
What didn't surprise me was the fact that during the Summit of the Americas not one murder or crime was committed. I know the country was on lock down with added arm force.

But it was relieving to see that we finally had some good police who was actually doing their jobs and showed the local police a thing or two.

Or....

Maybe, Patrick Manning called his people who normally do crime and ask them to behave until the Summit was over.

I know, we can do better and its always the wrong people getting kidnapp, rob or killed.

To much corruptions in T&T....

RIP Kwasi Hyland.

Who's next !!!!!
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Bourbon on June 02, 2009, 08:57:47 AM



RIP Kwasi Hyland.

Who's next !!!!!


Hyland's mother, Carol told C News that her deceased son had several matters in court.




I didnt want to be callous....especially given the fact that there was a life lost. But......it have a strong possibility that this was kinda related to his lifestyle. I making an assumption eh...I doh know de man personally. But...given the information coming to hand....it eh like this was as a result of a random robbery...or some hard luck ting. Buh....it have many sides to a story..and many point of views.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: truetrini on June 02, 2009, 09:36:54 AM
What didn't surprise me was the fact that during the Summit of the Americas not one murder or crime was committed. I know the country was on lock down with added arm force.

But it was relieving to see that we finally had some good police who was actually doing their jobs and showed the local police a thing or two.

Or....

Maybe, Patrick Manning called his people who normally do crime and ask them to behave until the Summit was over.

I know, we can do better and its always the wrong people getting kidnapp, rob or killed.

To much corruptions in T&T....

RIP Kwasi Hyland.

Who's next !!!!!

YOU IS AH KA-KA OLE OR What?  wHAT GOOD POLICE SHOWING TWE WHAT TO DO?  Steups!

Wheel and come again.  If MAnning was to declare state ah emergeny and allyuh cyar fete is riots and overthrow ting in de government ass.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Sando on June 03, 2009, 05:00:36 AM
What didn't surprise me was the fact that during the Summit of the Americas not one murder or crime was committed. I know the country was on lock down with added arm force.

But it was relieving to see that we finally had some good police who was actually doing their jobs and showed the local police a thing or two.

Or....

Maybe, Patrick Manning called his people who normally do crime and ask them to behave until the Summit was over.

I know, we can do better and its always the wrong people getting kidnapp, rob or killed.

To much corruptions in T&T....

RIP Kwasi Hyland.

Who's next !!!!!

YOU IS AH KA-KA OLE OR What?  wHAT GOOD POLICE SHOWING TWE WHAT TO DO?  Steups!

Wheel and come again.  If MAnning was to declare state ah emergeny and allyuh cyar fete is riots and overthrow ting in de government ass.


I thought yuh done with me ?

FYI, I dont fete !!!!! they could ban Carnival for all I care...

And I stand by what I said, no crime during the Summit, why ?
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Brownsugar on June 03, 2009, 05:14:45 AM
What didn't surprise me was the fact that during the Summit of the Americas not one murder or crime was committed. I know the country was on lock down with added arm force.

But it was relieving to see that we finally had some good police who was actually doing their jobs and showed the local police a thing or two.

Or....

Maybe, Patrick Manning called his people who normally do crime and ask them to behave until the Summit was over.

I know, we can do better and its always the wrong people getting kidnapp, rob or killed.

To much corruptions in T&T....

RIP Kwasi Hyland.

Who's next !!!!!

YOU IS AH KA-KA OLE OR What?  wHAT GOOD POLICE SHOWING TWE WHAT TO DO?  Steups!

Wheel and come again.  If MAnning was to declare state ah emergeny and allyuh cyar fete is riots and overthrow ting in de government ass.


I thought yuh done with me ?

FYI, I dont fete !!!!! they could ban Carnival for all I care...

And I stand by what I said, no crime during the Summit, why ?

To say there was no crime during the summit is not entirely true....you could say there was a greater (and that relative eh) police/Army present almost everywhere in the days leading up and during the summit...
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Sando on June 04, 2009, 07:17:01 PM
Missing mom found dead
By CECILY ASSON (NEWSDAY).


THE BADLY decomposed body of mother of four Gail Joseph was found yesterday floating among thick mangrove in the Manzanilla River, three days after she went missing. Joseph’s daughter Daniella Boysie wept uncontrollably moments after positively identifying her mother’s body.

But while Joseph’s grieving family will try to put closure to this tragedy now that the body has been found, questions abound as to how Joseph met her death.

Police sources confirmed that a 37-year-old Belmont man, questioned and later released hours after Joseph went missing last Sunday, was re-arrested and is assisting them in their investigation.

Police said they are investigating reports that Joseph met a man on the popular social/dating internet site “Tagged” days before she went missing.

Forestry Division officials and police officers were in a boat searching for Joseph’s body along the Manzanilla River when they picked up a foul stench and later spotted her among the mangrove. It was about 10.30 am. Divers were called in and the body, clad in a black and red swimsuit, was retrieved.

The body was found about a mile away from the spot along Manzanilla Beach where she disappeared on Sunday at about 8 pm, while liming with a man. Following her disappearance, soldiers, police with sniffer dogs, Coast Guard officers and police in helicopters searched the land, sea and from the air for her.

It was reported that Joseph was last seen alive by her daughter Daniella on Sunday when she left their Mary Street, Siparia home. It is believed that she picked up a man from Belmont and then headed to Manzanilla for a day of relaxation on the beach. This man later told police that she left him to head to her car to get something but never returned. Joseph worked as the office manager at the law firm of Girwar and Deonarine on Court Street in San Fernando.

Daniella, her sister Terry and other relatives spent several tense minutes waiting while the divers and Forestry Division officials brought the body to land. Their wait ended in tears when Daniella confirmed the swollen body that was fished out of the river, was Joseph.

The District Medical Officer advised Homicide Investigations Bureau detectives, led by ASP Johnnie Abraham and Insp Stanley Ramdeen, that because of the advanced stage of decomposition, it could not be ascertained from a visual inspection if Joseph’s death was the result of foul play. The body was later removed to the Forensic Science Centre in St James where an autopsy will be carried out today.

A relative, who asked not to be named, told Newsday that Joseph was a born-again Christian who was divorced about two years ago and had at one time led an active church life even serving as secretary of the church she attended.

Daniella, who is a Sixth Form student at Fyzabad Anglican Secondary School, pleaded on Tuesday for the public’s help in locating her then missing mother. It was not known if Daniella would still sit her CAPE examinations in Geography and Biology scheduled for next Friday.

“The break- up of the marriage affected Gail badly so much so that she had to receive counselling. The church was working with her but after the divorce, she gave up everything and just stopped attending services,” the relative said. Another person, who identified herself as a friend of the family, yesterday said Joseph kept her social life separate from the family setting with her four daughters whose ages range from four to 17.

“We knew she had met someone over the internet and it was the first time she was going to meet him. None of us knew him,” the friend said. Also visiting the scene yesterday was Insp Fitzgerald George. Investigations are continuing.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Babalawo on June 04, 2009, 09:04:18 PM
a bullet just pass thru me friend car back window in Tunapuna.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: ribbit on June 04, 2009, 09:16:43 PM
a bullet just pass thru me friend car back window in Tunapuna.

doh study dat. all de crime in t&t is gang-related. is de bullets self know who run wit gang.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: WestCoast on June 04, 2009, 09:49:33 PM
a bullet just pass thru me friend car back window in Tunapuna.

doh study dat. all de crime in t&t is gang-related. is de bullets self know who run wit gang.
:devil: :devil:
hear nuh
allya on dis forum are THE BEST
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Sando on June 05, 2009, 04:05:29 AM
KILLED FOR GOLD
Workmen gunned down in El Socorro bar
By: Carolyn Kissoon and Peter Christopher (T&T Express).


A ceiling contractor and his employee were gunned down while buying food at a bar in El Socorro on Wednesday night.

Jason Dwarika, owner of Gypsum Interiors, was shot in the back before bandits ripped off his gold chain. He was then shot in the neck, an eyewitness said.

His employee, 19-year-old Ashton Daniel Jonas, was shot in the back while running away, police said.

Another employee, Shane Lochan, hid under a table and escaped unhurt.

The shooting happened around 10.30 p.m. outside D Corro Pub on the El Socorro Main Road. The men were doing their very first job ever in Northern Trinidad.

"We had just finished the job and was coming home, when we stopped to get something to eat. I went to the adjoining bar to get some drinks and my boss and Ashton were getting the food. I just hear a lot of noise and when I realised it was gunshots I ran and hid under a table," he said.

Lochan, 28, who was in shock yesterday, described his boss as "a loving, generous man who would never hesitate to help someone in need".

Dwarika, 26, was the father of two girls-Abbi, five, and three-year-old Ariel.

He lived at SS Erin Road, Debe with his 25-year-old wife, Lauren.

"I don't know what, they kill my husband for a chain. They kill my husband for what? A $10,000?," she said outside the Forensic Science Complex in St James yesterday.

The widow told the Express that at about 10.15 p.m., her husband called her, telling her that he was coming home soon. He along with his workers had completed their day's work on the ceiling of a dentist's office in St James and had stopped to buy food at a stall outside the bar, she was told.

Within 15 minutes her phone rang again.

"His co-worker called back, saying he get shoot and then I heard the woman from the bar saying if I wanted to see him alive again, I should hurry to the hospital, because he not looking like he going to hold up," Lauren said, adding that she had not and did not know how to tell the couple's two daughters, Abbi and Ariel.

"I want them to get life and suffer. Like I going to suffer for the rest of my life with my two children. For a gold chain," said the woman about her husband's attackers. She said her husband was accustomed to wearing his chain everywhere, but stated in case of robbery he would have been willing to give up his belongings.

"He would always put family first, he would say...He wanted me to continue the business. He said 'If anything happened to me make sure that you continue this business, I worked too hard for it'." she said. She said her husband started his company with $200 and a rental car eight years ago.

His sister, Jamie Dwarika said: "He has been doing this job for more than six years. My brother was an ambitious person who liked nice things. He was well-known for his professionalism and worked hard to care for his family," she said.

A short distance away, at Jonas' home yesterday, relatives were trying to determine why two masked men would storm into a bar and begin shooting. Jonas lived at Ramsamooj Trace, Debe.

His sister, Mohani Manick, said her brother began working with the contractor three weeks ago. "He was excited to have a job and had already started planning to build his house. He has a girlfriend and wanted to get married," she said. Homicide detectives are continuing investigations.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: truetrini on June 05, 2009, 07:34:25 AM
I hear Manning and Martin Joseph looking to buy gold...dem to blame again...right?
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: just cool on June 05, 2009, 10:31:18 PM
Need i say more?  http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161487378
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: WestCoast on June 05, 2009, 10:48:13 PM
Need i say more?  http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161487378
buh....wha de arse
just so
over a fight at school?

be strong
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Babalawo on June 05, 2009, 11:22:38 PM
a bullet just pass thru me friend car back window in Tunapuna.

doh study dat. all de crime in t&t is gang-related. is de bullets self know who run wit gang.
:devil: :devil:
hear nuh
allya on dis forum are THE BEST
yea dont study it until it hit somebody  :-\
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Controversial on June 06, 2009, 08:03:24 AM
jus cool and sam hit the nail on the head, all of the ex pats love home but if locals feel is paradise, thats bullshit, when half of your family from the most dangerous area in trinidad, you see things from a different light, not to mention the fact that people home does sit down and take anything from the govt. all of we love home an all of we represent tt, but the ex pats know the real deal and how the nation should be, we not blind to the fact that tt gone thru and most of it has to do with the peoples attitude and the govt they elect.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: just cool on June 06, 2009, 10:08:31 AM
jus cool and sam hit the nail on the head, all of the ex pats love home but if locals feel is paradise, thats bullshit, when half of your family from the most dangerous area in trinidad, you see things from a different light, not to mention the fact that people home does sit down and take anything from the govt. all of we love home an all of we represent tt, but the ex pats know the real deal and how the nation should be, we not blind to the fact that tt gone thru and most of it has to do with the peoples attitude and the govt they elect.
Doh mind dem TI. my breddren was playing ah game of cards and drinking when ah yute man open fire wid ah gallil and gunndown ah yute who was in the mix. mind you, the fella they was looking for just lived in the nieghborhood, but they decided tuh shoot up the game even though he was not present.

luckily meh breddren escaped with his life. now tell me, how could i live in a society where fellas so unmindfull of human life.  sstttuueepppsss.  i eh saying i would'nt move back home , but there must be some kinda effort tuh stamp out crime and restore law and order.   

but until then, i keeping meh black a$$ in america.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: verycute1 on June 06, 2009, 02:47:12 PM
I was talking with my moms last night about the robbery at the caribbean airlines office in sando. She still shaken up about it because she was there that morning. she telling me how so many people she talk to feel unsafe. How is a shame when you have to be in fear of your safety just to go out and do your own personal errands in broad daylight. And she don't even live in a "dangerous part of Trinidad. they live in a nice area. Nice big houses, all barred up, all fenced in. You know how many times I run out and leave the door unlocked here?  All that stuff Elan you posting bout this shooting in the US and that school closing and what not. I dont ever feel unsafe running out to starbucks, or the grocery or the travel agency, or just sitting on my front step. I take some of those incidents as being out of the norm, whereas in trinidad now, it seems to be just another daily thing when someone get killed or robbed.Moms said she was watching some news report and they interviewd some popo in boston who was going on about how the crime has taken a steep increase, and the murder rate jump. And he said that so far for the year is 63 murders. What's the murder rate so far for T&T? Over 200? And people can actually say that there isnt a problem and the ex pats and the express blowing it out of proportion?

I ent saying I have no love for my country. I just saying I don't know if I could feel safe there now given what seems to be going on.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: WestCoast on June 06, 2009, 03:19:51 PM
the average small grocery store does be lock up like is Fort Knox and that is when you want to go in to buy food
there is nothing like that in north america
buh I love meh Store Bay floatin toooo bad ;D
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Controversial on June 07, 2009, 11:22:26 AM
jus cool and sam hit the nail on the head, all of the ex pats love home but if locals feel is paradise, thats bullshit, when half of your family from the most dangerous area in trinidad, you see things from a different light, not to mention the fact that people home does sit down and take anything from the govt. all of we love home an all of we represent tt, but the ex pats know the real deal and how the nation should be, we not blind to the fact that tt gone thru and most of it has to do with the peoples attitude and the govt they elect.
Doh mind dem TI. my breddren was playing ah game of cards and drinking when ah yute man open fire wid ah gallil and gunndown ah yute who was in the mix. mind you, the fella they was looking for just lived in the nieghborhood, but they decided tuh shoot up the game even though he was not present.

luckily meh breddren escaped with his life. now tell me, how could i live in a society where fellas so unmindfull of human life.  sstttuueepppsss.  i eh saying i would'nt move back home , but there must be some kinda effort tuh stamp out crime and restore law and order.  

but until then, i keeping meh black a$$ in america.

family, last time i talk to my people, all they saying is, if yuh on nelson, stay on nelson, if yuh on duncan, stay on duncan, if yuh on picadilly stay dey and worse yet some men not even bothering to go up the hill. in such a small area people are very mindful, theres no need for that senseless killing and caution, the value of human life has gone to nothing, is time for God to get back in the picture. worse yet people have no respect for elders no more, like how 3 canal come and sing "morning neighbour" like people respect gone down the drain.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: The_Ice on June 07, 2009, 01:00:55 PM
people need to take into account the size of our population compared to those cities and states in the US... for a small population we have a rather high murder rate in comparison to them. u cant just blindly say that crime is a global problem. that's damn ignorance. of course its a world problem but in t&t its exceptionally high. u cant ignore that. if u want to ignore that then i'll just have to conclude that u crawl out of manning's ass. if u want to debate it/ support it bring some numbers.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: verycute1 on June 07, 2009, 01:12:43 PM
jus cool and sam hit the nail on the head, all of the ex pats love home but if locals feel is paradise, thats bullshit, when half of your family from the most dangerous area in trinidad, you see things from a different light, not to mention the fact that people home does sit down and take anything from the govt. all of we love home an all of we represent tt, but the ex pats know the real deal and how the nation should be, we not blind to the fact that tt gone thru and most of it has to do with the peoples attitude and the govt they elect.

Just wondering.... all the local based who feel that the ex-pats are blowing this crime thing way out of proportion, how many of you have personally been the victims of some type of crime in Trinidad?

How many of you have had a relative or friend been the victim?
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Controversial on June 07, 2009, 01:27:16 PM
jus cool and sam hit the nail on the head, all of the ex pats love home but if locals feel is paradise, thats bullshit, when half of your family from the most dangerous area in trinidad, you see things from a different light, not to mention the fact that people home does sit down and take anything from the govt. all of we love home an all of we represent tt, but the ex pats know the real deal and how the nation should be, we not blind to the fact that tt gone thru and most of it has to do with the peoples attitude and the govt they elect.

Just wondering.... all the local based who feel that the ex-pats are blowing this crime thing way out of proportion, how many of you have personally been the victims of some type of crime in Trinidad?

How many of you have had a relative or friend been the victim?

heres an example of what i was talking about,for people who dont know, "crossing border"

http://guardian.co.tt/features/life/2009/06/07/duke-street-gangsters-ready-bite-bullet

Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Controversial on June 07, 2009, 01:36:24 PM
jus cool and sam hit the nail on the head, all of the ex pats love home but if locals feel is paradise, thats bullshit, when half of your family from the most dangerous area in trinidad, you see things from a different light, not to mention the fact that people home does sit down and take anything from the govt. all of we love home an all of we represent tt, but the ex pats know the real deal and how the nation should be, we not blind to the fact that tt gone thru and most of it has to do with the peoples attitude and the govt they elect.

Just wondering.... all the local based who feel that the ex-pats are blowing this crime thing way out of proportion, how many of you have personally been the victims of some type of crime in Trinidad?

How many of you have had a relative or friend been the victim?

tuh answer yuh question bluntly, for example, meh fathers padnahs from the east dry river, if they didnt leave, are either in the mad house from drug abuse or dead, most murdered, or vagrants
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: verycute1 on June 07, 2009, 02:28:30 PM
jus cool and sam hit the nail on the head, all of the ex pats love home but if locals feel is paradise, thats bullshit, when half of your family from the most dangerous area in trinidad, you see things from a different light, not to mention the fact that people home does sit down and take anything from the govt. all of we love home an all of we represent tt, but the ex pats know the real deal and how the nation should be, we not blind to the fact that tt gone thru and most of it has to do with the peoples attitude and the govt they elect.

Just wondering.... all the local based who feel that the ex-pats are blowing this crime thing way out of proportion, how many of you have personally been the victims of some type of crime in Trinidad?

How many of you have had a relative or friend been the victim?

tuh answer yuh question bluntly, for example, meh fathers padnahs from the east dry river, if they didnt leave, are either in the mad house from drug abuse or dead, most murdered, or vagrants

My grandfather have a lil grocery in arima. After it get robbed a few times, the last time he get beaten an they rip off his wedding ring from his finger and take my granma's own too, he burglarproof that thing like there's no tomorrow. It used to be people would come in an lime an old talk. Now you come and stand outside the steel, pass you money through the bars and he give you what you want. Maybe I looking at the crime situation differently because I have had family be the victims, but this was years ago and it ent get any better there. He have a dairy farm up wallerfield and he does be going up there early in the morning to milk the cows. My grandma says she start praying the moment he leave and dont stop until he reach back. Whenever he go he taking some dogs with him one of my uncles give him. Some bad ass pitbulls.For protection because he fed up run man off the farm trying to steal the cows.  The other morning the dogs start making noise at the house, they does let them go at night, the yard fenced in pretty high. But somebody try  to jump the fence and the dogs went after him. I ent know if they get a piece of him, but the very next night one somebody shoot an kill one of the dogs. They say they ent even bother to call the police because in the words of my grandma "what the police go do, like they fraid the bandits an them'


I am sure that those saying that the crime in trinidad isn't really as bad as the express makes it out to be, if some of you found yourselves staring down the barrel of a gun, or with a knife held to your throat as you went about your daily business, if something like that happened to you, you might have a different view of things. Sometimes people don't see the fire until i come and burn them.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: capodetutticapi on June 07, 2009, 02:32:19 PM
VC whey yuh granpapi had de grocery,which part in arima.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: verycute1 on June 07, 2009, 02:56:12 PM
maturita

both my grandfathers had lil groceries, one on pinto road and one in maturita.  The one on pinto road, he pass on at least 15 years now and after he die the grocery and a bar they had next door fail. Nobody really wanted to run that, because he an all get rob, but back then it wasnt as common as it seems to be now.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Sando on June 07, 2009, 03:55:46 PM
I hear Manning and Martin Joseph looking to buy gold...dem to blame again...right?

I am lost, please explain ?

Maybe the day when Manning family get kidnap then things might change.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: The_Ice on June 07, 2009, 08:06:11 PM
I hear Manning and Martin Joseph looking to buy gold...dem to blame again...right?

I am lost, please explain ?

Maybe the day when Manning family get kidnap then things might change.

it would take a very bad indian to do that  :devil:  wait til manning start taxing curry and saffron then u would see all hell break loose.

manning better hope he gains enuff power to become the king of trinidad and tobago b/c the day he gets voted out he either ending up in golden grove or lapeyrouse.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Quags on June 07, 2009, 09:08:13 PM
maturita

both my grandfathers had lil groceries, one on pinto road and one in maturita.  The one on pinto road, he pass on at least 15 years now and after he die the grocery and a bar they had next door fail. Nobody really wanted to run that, because he an all get rob, but back then it wasnt as common as it seems to be now.
diaz next to the pet shop ?
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on June 07, 2009, 10:24:22 PM
jus cool and sam hit the nail on the head, all of the ex pats love home but if locals feel is paradise, thats bullshit, when half of your family from the most dangerous area in trinidad, you see things from a different light, not to mention the fact that people home does sit down and take anything from the govt. all of we love home an all of we represent tt, but the ex pats know the real deal and how the nation should be, we not blind to the fact that tt gone thru and most of it has to do with the peoples attitude and the govt they elect.

Just wondering.... all the local based who feel that the ex-pats are blowing this crime thing way out of proportion, how many of you have personally been the victims of some type of crime in Trinidad?

How many of you have had a relative or friend been the victim?

Right here on this forum I posted about a friend being raped and then her fther being killed. Per capita d murder rate high but if u remove d gang related murders d figure will not be alarming. As 4 guns running out here in d world doh have car thefts. Car Search respond and d tiefs had guns whether it is UWI or UTT. Crime happens   
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: ZANDOLIE on June 08, 2009, 02:40:03 AM
jus cool and sam hit the nail on the head, all of the ex pats love home but if locals feel is paradise, thats bullshit, when half of your family from the most dangerous area in trinidad, you see things from a different light, not to mention the fact that people home does sit down and take anything from the govt. all of we love home an all of we represent tt, but the ex pats know the real deal and how the nation should be, we not blind to the fact that tt gone thru and most of it has to do with the peoples attitude and the govt they elect.

Just wondering.... all the local based who feel that the ex-pats are blowing this crime thing way out of proportion, how many of you have personally been the victims of some type of crime in Trinidad?

How many of you have had a relative or friend been the victim?

Right here on this forum I posted about a friend being raped and then her fther being killed. Per capita d murder rate high but if u remove d gang related murders d figure will not be alarming. As 4 guns running out here in d world doh have car thefts. Car Search respond and d tiefs had guns whether it is UWI or UTT. Crime happens  

You don't just randomly remove a number and say 'look tings not so bad'. Removing a number will not make people feel safer, especially when so little seems to be being done about the problem.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: WestCoast on June 08, 2009, 07:21:45 AM
You don't just randomly remove a number and say 'look tings not so bad'. Removing a number will not make people feel safer, especially when so little seems to be being done about the problem.
the high lighted part is what I find to be the failing of the Politicians........there are small things being done...but there needs to be a GRAND SCHEME to curtail all this violence.
Pull in ALL the major Gang leaders and straighten them out or something.......DO SOMETHING
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: ribbit on June 08, 2009, 08:30:21 AM
I was talking with my moms last night about the robbery at the caribbean airlines office in sando. She still shaken up about it because she was there that morning. she telling me how so many people she talk to feel unsafe. How is a shame when you have to be in fear of your safety just to go out and do your own personal errands in broad daylight. And she don't even live in a "dangerous part of Trinidad. they live in a nice area. Nice big houses, all barred up, all fenced in. You know how many times I run out and leave the door unlocked here?  All that stuff Elan you posting bout this shooting in the US and that school closing and what not. I dont ever feel unsafe running out to starbucks, or the grocery or the travel agency, or just sitting on my front step. I take some of those incidents as being out of the norm, whereas in trinidad now, it seems to be just another daily thing when someone get killed or robbed.Moms said she was watching some news report and they interviewd some popo in boston who was going on about how the crime has taken a steep increase, and the murder rate jump. And he said that so far for the year is 63 murders. What's the murder rate so far for T&T? Over 200? And people can actually say that there isnt a problem and the ex pats and the express blowing it out of proportion?

I ent saying I have no love for my country. I just saying I don't know if I could feel safe there now given what seems to be going on.

vc1, that is it right there. ah rough fella i know from up here went down for business. when i bounce up with him after his trip, he tell me "what happen to all the windows? all those people living in cages."

peace of mind.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: truetrini on June 08, 2009, 11:43:29 AM
I was talking with my moms last night about the robbery at the caribbean airlines office in sando. She still shaken up about it because she was there that morning. she telling me how so many people she talk to feel unsafe. How is a shame when you have to be in fear of your safety just to go out and do your own personal errands in broad daylight. And she don't even live in a "dangerous part of Trinidad. they live in a nice area. Nice big houses, all barred up, all fenced in. You know how many times I run out and leave the door unlocked here?  All that stuff Elan you posting bout this shooting in the US and that school closing and what not. I dont ever feel unsafe running out to starbucks, or the grocery or the travel agency, or just sitting on my front step. I take some of those incidents as being out of the norm, whereas in trinidad now, it seems to be just another daily thing when someone get killed or robbed.Moms said she was watching some news report and they interviewd some popo in boston who was going on about how the crime has taken a steep increase, and the murder rate jump. And he said that so far for the year is 63 murders. What's the murder rate so far for T&T? Over 200? And people can actually say that there isnt a problem and the ex pats and the express blowing it out of proportion?

I ent saying I have no love for my country. I just saying I don't know if I could feel safe there now given what seems to be going on.

vc1, that is it right there. ah rough fella i know from up here went down for business. when i bounce up with him after his trip, he tell me "what happen to all the windows? all those people living in cages."

peace of mind.

Years ago where were all dese people?  I will answer..dey was right dey, living in dey big homes and dey was all fenced in then too, but dem never cry out about crime and criminals  nah!  yuh see de crime never come into dem areas so say wha....?  Well dey made serious miscalculations and now dat criminals more mobile dey eh staying home tuh kill and rob,,is all over de place dem same peeps with dey walled in homes getting touched so dey finally find dey voice.

Dey find dey feet too and could now organize march around savannah and ting.

ah boy what ah ting!
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: ZANDOLIE on June 08, 2009, 12:38:40 PM
I was talking with my moms last night about the robbery at the caribbean airlines office in sando. She still shaken up about it because she was there that morning. she telling me how so many people she talk to feel unsafe. How is a shame when you have to be in fear of your safety just to go out and do your own personal errands in broad daylight. And she don't even live in a "dangerous part of Trinidad. they live in a nice area. Nice big houses, all barred up, all fenced in. You know how many times I run out and leave the door unlocked here?  All that stuff Elan you posting bout this shooting in the US and that school closing and what not. I dont ever feel unsafe running out to starbucks, or the grocery or the travel agency, or just sitting on my front step. I take some of those incidents as being out of the norm, whereas in trinidad now, it seems to be just another daily thing when someone get killed or robbed.Moms said she was watching some news report and they interviewd some popo in boston who was going on about how the crime has taken a steep increase, and the murder rate jump. And he said that so far for the year is 63 murders. What's the murder rate so far for T&T? Over 200? And people can actually say that there isnt a problem and the ex pats and the express blowing it out of proportion?

I ent saying I have no love for my country. I just saying I don't know if I could feel safe there now given what seems to be going on.

vc1, that is it right there. ah rough fella i know from up here went down for business. when i bounce up with him after his trip, he tell me "what happen to all the windows? all those people living in cages."

peace of mind.

Years ago where were all dese people?  I will answer..dey was right dey, living in dey big homes and dey was all fenced in then too, but dem never cry out about crime and criminals  nah!  yuh see de crime never come into dem areas so say wha....?  Well dey made serious miscalculations and now dat criminals more mobile dey eh staying home tuh kill and rob,,is all over de place dem same peeps with dey walled in homes getting touched so dey finally find dey voice.

Dey find dey feet too and could now organize march around savannah and ting.

ah boy what ah ting!


1) Crime was never this bad years ago.

2) As for all those selfish people in dey big house, maybe so. But maybe they also concerned about others who not living in big houses. Like the school children getting shot in the back of the head. Like the innocent bystanders getting killed. Like tearing apart of families when a 27 year old father of two get shot dead over eggs in Sea Lots. The man had a job in Flour Mills and was one of the few who was actually taking care of his children. They shoot up the children's mother too.   

And you were the one who post that story and this is what you had to say

"I eh go lie, dis one hurt meh bad.  me eh know de fella but when yuh see what life come to in T&T.  People lorse dey soul...some could blame de government, z could blame de police, but something real missing and I am now joining the call for drastic measures.

Man we need to call ah state ah emergency declare martial law, raid homes, shoot on sight if dey break curfew..do something dese f**kers eh have no regard for life at all.  Is some little hood lums breaking eggs cause ah man tuh dead?"


Doh get me wrong, I feeling what yuh saying....its analogous to the Say No To Drugs camapign. US officials completely ignored the effects of drug use ravaging the black community after WWII, but only started to 'care' after it spilled into the white mainstream.

But throwing blame on the privaleged, as much as it may be TRUTH, never helped solve any problems because as much as they could be the reason for another man's oppression, is only he/she could climb out that pit that get dig for them.

Take a look at who doing senseless killing in T&T. Young fatherless, rudderless men. Is people in big houses who cause the fathers not to wrap their dick or to walk away from they children?
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Babalawo on June 08, 2009, 01:58:48 PM
no body get shoot or stab down today? ???  What we have another summit going on?
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: elan on June 08, 2009, 02:18:49 PM
jus cool and sam hit the nail on the head, all of the ex pats love home but if locals feel is paradise, thats bullshit, when half of your family from the most dangerous area in trinidad, you see things from a different light, not to mention the fact that people home does sit down and take anything from the govt. all of we love home an all of we represent tt, but the ex pats know the real deal and how the nation should be, we not blind to the fact that tt gone thru and most of it has to do with the peoples attitude and the govt they elect.

Just wondering.... all the local based who feel that the ex-pats are blowing this crime thing way out of proportion, how many of you have personally been the victims of some type of crime in Trinidad?

How many of you have had a relative or friend been the victim?

My wife going practice broad daylight bythe COE and get rob her gold. That is about 9 years ago. She rest some lash on one of the fellas before he run off. (this in T&T)

My mom went to the hair dresser and rest down her purse by she foot. When she was finished her whole pay check gone. (this is in Brooklyn).
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Quags on June 08, 2009, 02:29:20 PM
I could leave my door open all night all week.
Canada.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: elan on June 08, 2009, 03:44:41 PM
I could leave my door open all night all week.
Canada.

My Father door T&T don't even have a key to it. (no we not living in a bat cave)  ;D Trinidad.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: asylumseeker on June 08, 2009, 04:02:04 PM
You don't just randomly remove a number and say 'look tings not so bad'. Removing a number will not make people feel safer, especially when so little seems to be being done about the problem.
the high lighted part is what I find to be the failing of the Politicians........there are small things being done...but there needs to be a GRAND SCHEME to curtail all this violence.
Pull in ALL the major Gang leaders and straighten them out or something.......DO SOMETHING

Give thx fuh de lil fitball yes ... or not ...
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Babalawo on June 08, 2009, 06:12:13 PM
I could leave my door open all night all week.
Canada.

My Father door T&T don't even have a key to it. (no we not living in a bat cave)  ;D Trinidad.
what he address?  ;D
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: verycute1 on June 08, 2009, 07:24:52 PM
maturita

both my grandfathers had lil groceries, one on pinto road and one in maturita.  The one on pinto road, he pass on at least 15 years now and after he die the grocery and a bar they had next door fail. Nobody really wanted to run that, because he an all get rob, but back then it wasnt as common as it seems to be now.
diaz next to the pet shop ?


well it was mostly fish but now my uncle have some monkeys and macaws and he does the glass, but yes thats the one that went through. I think they get robbed a few times on the bar side.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: truetrini on June 08, 2009, 07:29:48 PM
I was talking with my moms last night about the robbery at the caribbean airlines office in sando. She still shaken up about it because she was there that morning. she telling me how so many people she talk to feel unsafe. How is a shame when you have to be in fear of your safety just to go out and do your own personal errands in broad daylight. And she don't even live in a "dangerous part of Trinidad. they live in a nice area. Nice big houses, all barred up, all fenced in. You know how many times I run out and leave the door unlocked here?  All that stuff Elan you posting bout this shooting in the US and that school closing and what not. I dont ever feel unsafe running out to starbucks, or the grocery or the travel agency, or just sitting on my front step. I take some of those incidents as being out of the norm, whereas in trinidad now, it seems to be just another daily thing when someone get killed or robbed.Moms said she was watching some news report and they interviewd some popo in boston who was going on about how the crime has taken a steep increase, and the murder rate jump. And he said that so far for the year is 63 murders. What's the murder rate so far for T&T? Over 200? And people can actually say that there isnt a problem and the ex pats and the express blowing it out of proportion?

I ent saying I have no love for my country. I just saying I don't know if I could feel safe there now given what seems to be going on.

vc1, that is it right there. ah rough fella i know from up here went down for business. when i bounce up with him after his trip, he tell me "what happen to all the windows? all those people living in cages."

peace of mind.

Years ago where were all dese people?  I will answer..dey was right dey, living in dey big homes and dey was all fenced in then too, but dem never cry out about crime and criminals  nah!  yuh see de crime never come into dem areas so say wha....?  Well dey made serious miscalculations and now dat criminals more mobile dey eh staying home tuh kill and rob,,is all over de place dem same peeps with dey walled in homes getting touched so dey finally find dey voice.

Dey find dey feet too and could now organize march around savannah and ting.

ah boy what ah ting!


1) Crime was never this bad years ago.

2) As for all those selfish people in dey big house, maybe so. But maybe they also concerned about others who not living in big houses. Like the school children getting shot in the back of the head. Like the innocent bystanders getting killed. Like tearing apart of families when a 27 year old father of two get shot dead over eggs in Sea Lots. The man had a job in Flour Mills and was one of the few who was actually taking care of his children. They shoot up the children's mother too.   

And you were the one who post that story and this is what you had to say

"I eh go lie, dis one hurt meh bad.  me eh know de fella but when yuh see what life come to in T&T.  People lorse dey soul...some could blame de government, z could blame de police, but something real missing and I am now joining the call for drastic measures.

Man we need to call ah state ah emergency declare martial law, raid homes, shoot on sight if dey break curfew..do something dese f**kers eh have no regard for life at all.  Is some little hood lums breaking eggs cause ah man tuh dead?"


Doh get me wrong, I feeling what yuh saying....its analogous to the Say No To Drugs camapign. US officials completely ignored the effects of drug use ravaging the black community after WWII, but only started to 'care' after it spilled into the white mainstream.

But throwing blame on the privaleged, as much as it may be TRUTH, never helped solve any problems because as much as they could be the reason for another man's oppression, is only he/she could climb out that pit that get dig for them.

Take a look at who doing senseless killing in T&T. Young fatherless, rudderless men. Is people in big houses who cause the fathers not to wrap their dick or to walk away from they children?

Zando, while it is true that the crime was not as bad or prevalent as it is today, we must admit that the crime situation did not creep up on us insidiously!

There has been a steady increase yearly except for one year 2005 I think.   Those with power and a strong voice stood by idly and mumbled amongst themselves.

Now it has reached the stage where the horse has bolted the barn, they suddenly demand something be done.

That simply, is my point my good fren.

Now dey want to form anti-crime coalition, amrch rong d savannah and cry bloody murder...well it was always bloody murder, jes not in dem neck ah de woods.

wha we expect?

Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: WestCoast on June 08, 2009, 07:38:31 PM
crime all along the eastern main road
crime all dong southern main road
crime affects people ALL ALL over TnT
the elected members of the government should have done something many many years ago

I could leave my door open all night all week.
Canada.

My Father door T&T don't even have a key to it. (no we not living in a bat cave)  ;D Trinidad.
what he address?  ;D
:devil:
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Organic on June 08, 2009, 07:45:25 PM
maturita

both my grandfathers had lil groceries, one on pinto road and one in maturita.  The one on pinto road, he pass on at least 15 years now and after he die the grocery and a bar they had next door fail. Nobody really wanted to run that, because he an all get rob, but back then it wasnt as common as it seems to be now.
diaz next to the pet shop ?


well it was mostly fish but now my uncle have some monkeys and macaws and he does the glass, but yes thats the one that went through. I think they get robbed a few times on the bar side.
those illegal eh.dont say his name.we wont want all the irate anti crime motivated individuals to do the right thing and call the authorities.
although they wont do anything, so he safe anyways..

allyuh is a bunch of jokers.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Quags on June 08, 2009, 07:52:43 PM
Dah man have them thing ses the early eighties jed.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: verycute1 on June 08, 2009, 07:59:30 PM
Dah man have them thing ses the early eighties jed.

lord yes, as soon as he sell some off he get more.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Quags on June 08, 2009, 07:59:54 PM
Dah man have them thing ses the early eighties jed.

lord yes, as soon as he sell some off he get more.
shh lol
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: verycute1 on June 08, 2009, 08:01:40 PM
Dah man have them thing ses the early eighties jed.

lord yes, as soon as he sell some off he get more.
shh lol

LOL
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: dinho on June 08, 2009, 10:28:35 PM
well its a good thing this Trinidad place is as lawless as it is, or else your uncle woulda never been able to profit like that off the illegal wildlife trade.  :devil:
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: JDB on June 09, 2009, 01:30:47 PM
those illegal eh.dont say his name.we wont want all the irate anti crime motivated individuals to do the right thing and call the authorities.
although they wont do anything, so he safe anyways..

allyuh is a bunch of jokers.

You self Organic. You know it is only a "crime" if it in the papers or yuh hear about it from your family.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Star Child on June 11, 2009, 07:04:49 PM
well its a good thing this Trinidad place is as lawless as it is, or else your uncle woulda never been able to profit like that off the illegal wildlife trade.  :devil:


 :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Sando on June 16, 2009, 06:09:47 PM
Answer honestly.

Who here living in a foreign country and have the opportunity to return home and live will go ?

You win the lottery - You dead
You can't wear your own jewelery
You scared of the police, kidnappers and thieves
You have no protection from the law
The schools are poor
The hospitals are poor
The roads are poor
Public transportation is poor
To many cars on the road
No law for drunk drivers, seat belts, children seat and speed limits
The government don't seem to care
Human trafficking is present
Your grocery bill is way over that what you make
No children activities to help keep them off the streets or out of a rum shop
No program to help homeless and drug addicts
Political warfare that separates the people
Pollution is climbing
Sports declinging
Fake ID's on the rise, men have 3 different names and no one can track them. We still in de analog process, no digital ID, so tracing someone is hard incase of crime
We Soca sounding like Dub
Pan is dead
Were de million dollar Blimp
We people don't want to work, we have to hire illigal Guyenese and Mexicans to help us (yes, in T&T this is happening)
They raping the forest and oceans, man eating everything now, from alligator tails to duck head
Animal abuse on the rise
Agriculture is declining
Drug and animal smuggling from South America is higher than live
People dont cook anymore
People not working the land
Man abusing 10-days
We importing more than we export
We importing stolen foreign use cars from Japan
The government don't subsidise local food and the prices is ridiculous
The government have no dairy, fish and meat farms to off set the constant killing and not replacing
Tobago coral reef is almost dead
Imagine I went T&T a month ago and I couldn't find a mango tree, it took me longer that usual to find one
The true essences of T&T has disappear, nobody cooks anymore
No proction for kid abuse
After school where do we go in T&T (work PH ?)
The ocean is taking the land, how are we trying to prevent that. T&T is getting smaller. Plant trees, do something
95% of crimes and kidnapping not being solved
The beaches are durty with garbage, when oil is done what will happen
Not keeping track on deportation. Criminals running loose
What's the latest of the 2009 Summit. What did we archieve

I am currently living in the States and while we are also suffering from a poor rescission we are still better off than being in T&T.

I love my country but under the current situation I will not choose to return home and a miracle will have to take place for me to change my mind.

Unfortunately, T&T will have to suffer more before things get better.

I lived in a shack in Arima , 7 of us and I will always cherish those memories and fortunately I am mix with the best of both worlds (Indo & Afro Trini).

I really hate to see T&T decline when we should be in a first world category.

We getting modernise but the people is not civilised.

I hope to return home oneday and I hope that dream comes through, just not at this moment.

I cant wait for the older generation to die off because they do not posses the brain to take us up a level. We need fresh blood. The older heads is way wise, just not in the books field, so we need them to pass on the common sense part.

I am also not in a hurry for the youths to take over as they head gone to. The generation of people is getting so bad.

Hopefully some Dougla between the age of 38-45 takes over and bring some fresh and honest ideas, someone who have the people and country at heart and not some politicans who only care about fulling his pockets.

Locals, a question.

When was the last time fire fighters save a building from burning ?
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: WestCoast on June 17, 2009, 02:06:24 PM
an article about the murder rate in TnT

http://www.cdnn.info/news/travel/t090608.html
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Babalawo on June 17, 2009, 02:17:48 PM
well its a good thing this Trinidad place is as lawless as it is, or else your uncle woulda never been able to profit like that off the illegal wildlife trade.  :devil:

is ur uncle who does sell all them south american paraquites?  i see how easy them fisherman does link up all early morning hours and get them thing my self
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: elan on June 17, 2009, 02:46:07 PM
When was the last time firefighter save a building from burning?   :rotfl:  :rotfl:  :rotfl:
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: verycute1 on June 17, 2009, 04:46:19 PM
well its a good thing this Trinidad place is as lawless as it is, or else your uncle woulda never been able to profit like that off the illegal wildlife trade.  :devil:

is ur uncle who does sell all them south american paraquites?  i see how easy them fisherman does link up all early morning hours and get them thing my self


err...... I plead the fifth  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: as I have been advised that them things illegal to sell.  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

and there I was hoping for a pet ocelot

Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Sam on June 18, 2009, 04:41:48 AM
Bullets fly, tempers flare as body of missing schoolgirl found in Laventille
Rickie Ramdass (T&T Express)


TECIA'S TRAGIC END

Vows of revenge, death and destruction were made by residents of John John, Port of Spain, as the decomposing body of ten-year-old Tecia Henry was found stashed under a house at Plaisance Terrace yesterday morning.

It was not far from where she lived at Cook Street, Laventille, and came one day after police, using tracker dogs, conducted house-to-house searches in the Plaisance Terrace area.

Tempers flared and threats were issued as bullets were fired and bottles and stones flew through the air and at the police at Plaisance Terrace, commonly referred to as Block Eight, where the body was found. Two men from the area shot at the officers, who in turn returned fire, but missed their targets.

Both men escaped on foot.

Police fired shots in the air after the angry mob charged at a suspect who was arrested in an apartment. He had reportedly locked himself in the room, in an attempt to escape the ferocious crowd. In all, four people were taken into custody. And as the day went by, riot officers were kept busy, as at least four fights broke out among the residents.

Henry's body was found around 8.45 a.m., covered by pieces of wood, police said. She was found by the owner of the house who reportedly got a foul stench emanating from below the building. Upon searching, she made the discovery.

Henry, a Standard Four pupil of St Rose's Girls' Primary School in Port of Spain, was supposed to celebrate her 11th birthday today.

She was found gagged, and police said they could not immediately determine how she died because of the advanced state of decomposition of the body.

They said they believed she may have been killed at the weekend. Superintendent David Abraham and Inspector Sahadeo Singh were among the officers who visited the scene.

Henry went missing on Saturday morning after being sent on an errand to buy items at the nearby K&G Mini Mart in John John, Laventille, by her mother, Diane Henry. The shop was not open at the time and the shopkeeper told Henry to return in an hour and she left.

When news spread that the girl had not returned home, residents set fires and protested, claiming that after making a report, police officers were taking no interest in the case of the missing child.

That view did not change yesterday.

The police were severely criticised, and were being held partially responsible for the child's death by residents of the area, as many believed that she would still have been alive if the police had taken the report seriously.

Beverly Taitt, a friend of the family and former wife of slain gang leader Mark Guerra, said, "These are gang-controlled areas. No one from the outside is going to come in here to do this. Someone must have seen something.

"Someone must have heard something. We, the community, need to come together. This is a sickening feeling. It's really sad for the entire community. If the police had acted sooner, she may have been saved."

One of Henry's aunts, Tracy James, said all she wanted was justice.

"I just want justice. It has to be someone from up here who do this. I want answers. Someone has to know what happened," she said.

Henry's mother cried and pounded her chest as the crowd continued to grow.

She promised to speak with reporters after her daughter's body was removed, but at 1.45 p.m., when it was taken away, she too was whisked away by homicide officers to the Forensic Science Centre, where an autopsy is expected to be performed today.

After the body was removed, Social Development Minister Dr Amery Browne made his way to Plaisance Terrace, where he spoke to the mourning family. He described the murder as a "tragedy".

The Special Anti-Crime Unit asked for assistance in solving the murder by issuing flyers at the crime scene. They asked that anyone with information which may be helpful to call 623-5202 or 800-8477.

Crime Stoppers, on Monday, also issued a $10,000 reward for anyone with information.

Homicide officers are continuing investigations.
Title: Murder toll to 270 for the year.
Post by: Sam on June 25, 2009, 04:16:46 AM
T&T REACH!

Carjackers shoot soldier's wife dead in police station
By - Peter Christopher (Express).


Murder toll to 270 for the year.

The wife of a soldier who drove into the West End Police Station in an attempt to escape carjackers, who were holding her at gunpoint in her car, was shot dead in front of the station yesterday.

The police station, which was no doubt considered a safe haven by Camille Daniel, itself became a crime scene and was cordoned off with crime scene tape after the killing.

Police said at around 1.45 p.m., Daniel, 39, had gone to Factory Road, Diego Martin, to meet a female friend who worked in the area. As the two women sat chatting in the car, three men entered the car and settled in the back seat.

One of them, armed with a gun, ordered Daniel, of Finch Drive, River Estate, Diego Martin, to drive as they dictated directions. As she drove along the Diego Martin Main Road, Daniel decided to steer the car onto the Wendy Fitzwilliam Boulevard and into the West End station to seek help.

The brave decision proved fatal for the mother of one, as the gunman shot her once from the back as she drove through the front gate of the station. She died moments after being shot, but not before her Nissan Almera crashed into a culvert at the end of the station's front yard.

One of her attackers jumped out the car near the station's gate and ran away on foot, while the two remaining assailants got out of the car after it crashed.

The image of the man who fled first was captured on a station camera and he was caught and later brought in for questioning, officers said. The other two men left the car after it crashed, jumped the outer wall of the station and fled along the Diego Martin Main Road with officers from the station in pursuit.

Several officers from the Western Division later conducted searches in the area. A reported shootout in Richplain moments later was said to be linked to the incident. Several men were brought in following those searches, officers said.

Daniel's husband, Stanley Nottingham, a Lance Corporal in the Trinidad and Tobago Regiment, could hardly restrain his emotions after viewing his wife's body in the front seat of the car, which sat mere metres from the front steps of the station.

Officers told the Express that he was counselled by a social worker from the Victim Support Unit after viewing the body, as was the other woman who was in the car at the time of the incident.

When the Express visited the family's Finch Drive home, Nottingham's colleagues from the Defence Force stated it was not "a good time" to seek any comment from the distraught husband. One officer stated that the shooting had reflected the level of lawlessness the country had now eclipsed to.

"Is mere lawlessness that is the country today, now the people don't care about where they doing their thing," said the officer.

Up to last night, four men had been taken in for questioning in connection with the murder, and searches continuing in the Factory Road and Richplain communities ongoing.

Police also asked medical facilities to report anyone who came in seeking treatment for gunshots wounds.

Inspector Henry Dann of the Western Division is spearheading investigations into the incident.

Daniel's killing pushed the murder toll to 270 for the year.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: rotatopoti3 on June 25, 2009, 05:45:01 AM
Times like this we need inspiration....goe V Max....look we have positive youths...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e43Yvxkf8Sw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBNK_td6M4s&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wxo51T1YBnA&NR=1
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: verycute1 on June 25, 2009, 07:35:01 PM
SO last week my aunt was in vistabella picking up her grandchild. She park the car and come out and as she do so, someone run out and grab her handbag. My aunt is this lil woman barely 4 feet and she start to scream and carry on and run after the would be bandit. A man passing by jump out his car and start running with her. They stop and pick up some stones and pelting behind the bandit. He drop the bag and run away.  My moms say she scolding aunty for that, what if the man had a gun and aunty say she ent fraid no more, if is her time to go is so she go, but not without a fight.

My sis works at scotia, a co worker of hers driving from KFC opposite Gulf City in broad daylight this week. The back road like if you going towards palmiste. A car drive up behind her and bump her. She continue on to the main road by the video club  - the four way junction I forget what it called but where flint had his Grocery and all those bars and then pull over. Two men jump out broad daylight, stick a gun in her head and tell her give up the keys. She jump out and hand them over. Car ent seen since.

two different instances, different responses, different results. What would you do?
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Brownsugar on June 26, 2009, 05:20:10 AM
Verycute 1,

Your aunt and your sis' co-worker is still operating like dey eh recognise the time we living in (and is almost everybody operating so still eh).  Yuh Aunt shoulda lock she car and take she handbag with she.  And yes, she friggin brave to run down ah bandit....leave him be......most of the things in de handbag she goh get back somehow......

In the other instance, if yuh car get bump just drive till yuh reach a police station.....well that was the conventional wisdom, as we've seen this week that might not save she, but it is still the wisest thing to do.....DOH COME OUT YUH CAR FUH NUTTEN!!....
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: fishs on June 26, 2009, 05:23:49 AM

 So they hold the guys who alledgedly shot the lady in her back .
But they also said police made a lightening strike to catch the guys and held 5 other men on outstanding warrants.
My question is why everyday they don't do lightening strikes all over the country and hold this minorirty that Joseph keep talking about ?
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Brownsugar on June 26, 2009, 05:26:37 AM

 So they hold the guys who alledgedly shot the lady in her back .
But they also said police made a lightening strike to catch the guys and held 5 other men on outstanding warrants.
My question is why everyday they don't do lightening strikes all over the country and hold this minorirty that Joseph keep talking about ?

EXACTLY!!...

Dais the point ah trying to make before, why we only see action when "certain" people die.....oh well ah next summit coming in November....maybe we'll see some action then....ssssttteeeuuupppssss!!!!....
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: verycute1 on June 26, 2009, 06:38:48 PM
Verycute 1,

Your aunt and your sis' co-worker is still operating like dey eh recognise the time we living in (and is almost everybody operating so still eh).  Yuh Aunt shoulda lock she car and take she handbag with she.  And yes, she friggin brave to run down ah bandit....leave him be......most of the things in de handbag she goh get back somehow......

In the other instance, if yuh car get bump just drive till yuh reach a police station.....well that was the conventional wisdom, as we've seen this week that might not save she, but it is still the wisest thing to do.....DOH COME OUT YUH CAR FUH NUTTEN!!....


Brown

I shoulda be more clear, she was already out of the car and walking to the daycare. Handbag on arm. She had just parked right in front so it wasnt any set a walk she had to make. She had some stuff with her in the bag, my uncle passed on recently and she does keep some of his old jewelry with her, sentimental you know? I kinda see where she coming from though.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: asylumseeker on June 26, 2009, 07:57:02 PM
Tick tock tick tock tick tock tickety tockety tock.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: fari on June 27, 2009, 08:39:31 PM
i kinda tinkin about it...i think trini needs ppl to work with learning disabled and special needs children.  i feel that is a large part of the problem b/c often these are labeled 'duncy' and other names.  i dont have the qualifications to work w/ said populations but i was thinking about what kind of qualifications i would need.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Brownsugar on June 28, 2009, 05:49:15 AM
Verycute 1,

Your aunt and your sis' co-worker is still operating like dey eh recognise the time we living in (and is almost everybody operating so still eh).  Yuh Aunt shoulda lock she car and take she handbag with she.  And yes, she friggin brave to run down ah bandit....leave him be......most of the things in de handbag she goh get back somehow......

In the other instance, if yuh car get bump just drive till yuh reach a police station.....well that was the conventional wisdom, as we've seen this week that might not save she, but it is still the wisest thing to do.....DOH COME OUT YUH CAR FUH NUTTEN!!....


Brown

I shoulda be more clear, she was already out of the car and walking to the daycare. Handbag on arm. She had just parked right in front so it wasnt any set a walk she had to make. She had some stuff with her in the bag, my uncle passed on recently and she does keep some of his old jewelry with her, sentimental you know? I kinda see where she coming from though.

Oh ho.....I see...girl in that situation I guess there wasn't much she could do....*sigh*
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: verycute1 on June 28, 2009, 02:01:58 PM
What I wondering is, with all these guns on the street that these criminals have, there must be some kinda illegal gun trade going on right?

 And if so, how come the scared citizens not getting some themselves? If you study some of the crime waves in the US in the past, how many criminals were themselves shot in the act by otherwise law abiding citizens who either had a legally registered gun or obtained one on thr street because of their fear that they would be the victim of crime.

 I know there are legal ways to obtain guns in T'dad because long ago when I used to work in Manhins on high street for summers, they sold guns. I remember being locked in one night because they got a big shipment and the popo said none of the employees could leave the store untill all the guns and ammo were brought in and secured. I know Manhin sold the business years ago and I think it closed now but there were other places to buy guns too.

 With all of this why have there not been shootings of criminals in the act?

Or is it that the guns are being brought in by a main entity and controlled and  circulated among a select few, which means that there is a "master criminal" to borrow a phrase from Sherlock Holmes, and this master criminal is building an army, or rather has an army already in place, in which case, what is this all building up to? Because if one person or group is controlling all the guns but the shootings and attacks seem to be nationwide, then that's scary.



O

Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Trini Madness on June 28, 2009, 05:08:43 PM
What I wondering is, with all these guns on the street that these criminals have, there must be some kinda illegal gun trade going on right?

 And if so, how come the scared citizens not getting some themselves? If you study some of the crime waves in the US in the past, how many criminals were themselves shot in the act by otherwise law abiding citizens who either had a legally registered gun or obtained one on thr street because of their fear that they would be the victim of crime.

 I know there are legal ways to obtain guns in T'dad because long ago when I used to work in Manhins on high street for summers, they sold guns. I remember being locked in one night because they got a big shipment and the popo said none of the employees could leave the store untill all the guns and ammo were brought in and secured. I know Manhin sold the business years ago and I think it closed now but there were other places to buy guns too.

 With all of this why have there not been shootings of criminals in the act?

Or is it that the guns are being brought in by a main entity and controlled and  circulated among a select few, which means that there is a "master criminal" to borrow a phrase from Sherlock Holmes, and this master criminal is building an army, or rather has an army already in place, in which case, what is this all building up to? Because if one person or group is controlling all the guns but the shootings and attacks seem to be nationwide, then that's scary.



O



yea there has to be some illegal gun trade going on. venezuela is right there 7-8 miles away. anybody could take a speed boat in de middle of de night and make transactions....and what do we do about it? we should increase security on the waters.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: lefty on June 28, 2009, 05:17:12 PM


yea there has to be some illegal gun trade going on. venezuela is right there 7-8 miles away. anybody could take a speed boat in de middle of de night and make transactions....

boss it have days u could go cedros and u would ah interpreter to communicate wit people
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Bourbon on June 28, 2009, 05:31:30 PM
To buy a gun you need a gun. Think bout it.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Babalawo on June 28, 2009, 08:03:03 PM
To buy a gun you need a gun. Think bout it.
true. might have to get one too if i have to move back
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Peong on June 29, 2009, 11:40:56 AM
verycute the other day Supa Chile get lock up for I think 4 years because he had an illegal gun that he said he got to protect his family after they got robbed.
Ordinary people doh want to risk that kinda jail time.

I find if the police cannot protect the citizenry then they should enable the citizenry to protect themselves.
Right now ppl in T&T are just sitting ducks.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: verycute1 on June 29, 2009, 12:59:06 PM


yea there has to be some illegal gun trade going on. venezuela is right there 7-8 miles away. anybody could take a speed boat in de middle of de night and make transactions....

boss it have days u could go cedros and u would ah interpreter to communicate wit people


You know is long time that going on. My father have a house in Palo. Close to the water. When it was building he used to go down and check on it. One night he gone and as he reach the driveway he see a few shadows stooping on the porch. The man grab his cutlass and gone running towards them and 5 big well armed soldiers stand up and looking at him with all their guns pointing. Asking him who he is getting rough with him, he tell them is his house , show id etc and tell them he there to chek the property because people used to thief the building materials. They tell him drive to the station and ask for officer so and so and he will explain. Dad gone and the officer confirm that they was staking out a certain house where a certain would be coup leader built a compound, because it was supposed to have a huge shipment coming in from Venezuela. Now I ent know if they ever get their guns because we never see anything bout it in the news, but it was a long time before my dad ever went back there at night again. Not too long after that, he fence round the entire property. Now this is when I was about 15 and I ent see that number in quite a few years so you know this was way back when.


Peong I agree with you.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: elan on June 30, 2009, 08:42:28 PM
Gunmen fire on group of Detroit teens, wounding 7
       

DETROIT – Gunmen in a green minivan opened fire on a group of teenagers waiting at a bus stop near a Detroit school on Tuesday, wounding seven including two who were in critical condition, authorities said.

Five of the teens had just left Cody Ninth Grade Academy, where they were taking summer classes, when they were shot at the nearby bus stop.

The gunmen exited a vehicle and "asked for a person by name" before they "opened fire at the crowd," said Detroit Public Schools Police Chief Roderick Grimes.

Detroit Police were looking for two suspects in a green minivan, said spokesman Rod Liggons. Officers were interviewing some of the victims in the hospital Tuesday evening, he said.

Four boys and three girls ranging in age from 14 to 17 years old were hospitalized, two of them — a 16-year-old boy and a 17-year-old female — in critical condition, said Deputy Chief James Tolbert.

Gas station owner Steve Hakim said he saw two people with T-shirts covering their heads run across his lot toward the bus stop. Then he heard about 10 gunshots, saw a boy and a girl fall down and called 911.

"It's pretty scary," Hakim said. "Somebody's got to do something."

Police were reviewing video taken from the gas station's security cameras and took a disc containing the footage, Hakim said.

Another summer school student, 15-year-old Bria Wilson, said she was standing at the bus stop when she heard the gunfire. She said she was facing away from the shooters and ran away after the shots were fired. But she saw a 16-year-old male friend lying on the ground, bleeding.

"They were so close — it almost hit me," she said.

Schools spokesman Steve Wasko said there was "nothing that we're aware of at this time" linking the shootings with any fight or dispute at the school.

He said the shootings happened about 2:15 p.m., about 15 minutes after summer school students were dismissed for the day.

___

Associated Press writers Ben Leubsdorf and David N. Goodman contributed to this report.

Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: elan on July 03, 2009, 06:49:12 PM
Serial killer has South Carolina residents on edge
WEISS, Associated Press Writer Mitch Weiss, Associated Press Writer – Fri Jul 3, 4:43 pm ET




GAFFNEY, S.C. – Terrified residents canceled Fourth of July plans and holed up in their homes Friday as investigators hunted a serial killer believed to have shot four people to death.

Tanya Phillips had been looking forward to a backyard barbecue at her brother's house but instead planned to stay home with her doors locked.

"I'm not taking any chances," said Phillips, 32, a mother of two who works in a day-care center. "I'll go out during the day, but not at night. I just don't feel safe."

Plenty of evidence links the killings, though officials have not yet determined how the victims are connected or if they knew whoever shot them, said Cherokee County Sheriff Bill Blanton.

"Yes, we have a serial killer," he said at a news conference in this rural community 50 miles south of Charlotte, N.C.

So far, all investigators have to go on is a sketch of a suspect and a description of a possible getaway vehicle, though police would not say who provided that information.

The latest victims were found in their family's small furniture and appliance shop near downtown Gaffney around closing time Thursday. Stephen Tyler, 45, was killed, and his 15-year-old daughter was shot and seriously injured. Tyler's wife, his older daughter and an employee found them in Tyler Home Center, County Coroner Dennis Fowler said.

A day earlier and about seven miles away, family members found the bodies of 83-year-old Hazel Linder and her 50-year-old daughter, Gena Linder Parker, bound and shot in Linder's home. Blanton would not say if Tyler and his daughter were also bound.

The killing spree began last Saturday about 10 miles from Tyler Home Center, where peach farmer Kline Cash, 63, was found shot in his living room. Blanton said the killer may have first spoken with Cash's wife about buying hay. She left and came home a few hours later to find her husband's body. Investigators said it appears he was robbed, but they have not determined if anything was taken in the other killings.

Cherokee County, home to about 54,000 people, had just six homicides in all of 2008, and half that the year before.

Residents have "their guard up and their gun handy," said state Sen. Harvey Peeler, R-Gaffney, who recalled the area being terrorized once before, in the 1960s, by a serial killer dubbed the Gaffney Strangler. Otherwise, Gaffney is most famous for a giant water tank shaped like a peach that can be seen from Interstate 85.

"There is no greater fear than the fear of the unknown and nobody knows. You can cut the tension with a knife," Peeler said. "People are locking their doors, even in broad daylight."

The Fourth of July is a busy weekend, with thousands of people expected to attend fireworks displays in several communities.

"You want to live a normal life," Phillips said as she stood outside a grocery store. "But you just can't."

Every available police officer will work the weekend, Blanton said, acknowledging that there is "real fear in the county." He urged people to take precautions such as going out in groups and calling 911 if their cars break down and they are stuck on the side of the road.

"If someone breaks into my house, I'm armed and ready," said Mike Daniels, 53, a retired Army sergeant. "And I won't hesitate to shoot first and ask questions later."

Hazel Smith, 47, said neighbors feel vulnerable.

"If he killed once, he'll kill again," she said sitting on the front porch with her friends. "Tonight, I'm going to stay inside and pray, pray a little harder that he gets caught."

The latest shootings happened less than a half-mile from the sheriff's office, where at least 30 investigators were already working on the case. Blanton said a profiler has suggested Tyler and his daughter might have been shot to taunt investigators, but he said his only concern is solving the case.

"We had a 15-year-old girl shot; he killed an 83-year-old woman," Blanton said. "The good people of this community don't deserve that."

The sheriff reminded people they have a right to protect themselves and advised salesmen and others to avoid knocking on strangers' doors with so many on heightened alert.

"People are going to start shooting at shadows," Blanton said.

___

Associated Press Writers Jim Davenport and Jeffrey Collins contributed to this report from Columbia.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: just cool on July 03, 2009, 11:00:32 PM
Hey elan ,Yuhs ah real annoying fly oui!!! dum dum! the USA have over 300 million ppl, just look @ the last 2 articles tuh post, it's from 2 differant states!!!!

you acting like if america is the size of haiti? this place real big wid ah whole lot ah waste land, states, and ppl from all over the world, so how could you compare it too an area the size of delaware!!!!!
 
let me tell yuh this pardener, no matter how yuh twist it and tun it, T&T still have more crime than the U.S. population wise! and if we were as big as them and had the same slack goverment,.....boy..... what a scary thought.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: elan on July 04, 2009, 08:23:36 AM
Hey elan ,Yuhs ah real annoying fly oui!!! dum dum! the USA have over 300 million ppl, just look @ the last 2 articles tuh post, it's from 2 differant states!!!!

you acting like if america is the size of haiti? this place real big wid ah whole lot ah waste land, states, and ppl from all over the world, so how could you compare it too an area the size of delaware!!!!!
 
let me tell yuh this pardener, no matter how yuh twist it and tun it, T&T still have more crime than the U.S. population wise! and if we were as big as them and had the same slack goverment,.....boy..... what a scary thought.

So what you saying crime is different because it have less of a chance of affecting a great number of people or a majority of the total population?

All I saying is crime happens everywhere and people can be made to feel as prisonersin theur home as a result of crime.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: verycute1 on July 04, 2009, 09:24:57 AM
Hey elan ,Yuhs ah real annoying fly oui!!! dum dum! the USA have over 300 million ppl, just look @ the last 2 articles tuh post, it's from 2 differant states!!!!

you acting like if america is the size of haiti? this place real big wid ah whole lot ah waste land, states, and ppl from all over the world, so how could you compare it too an area the size of delaware!!!!!
 
let me tell yuh this pardener, no matter how yuh twist it and tun it, T&T still have more crime than the U.S. population wise! and if we were as big as them and had the same slack goverment,.....boy..... what a scary thought.

So what you saying crime is different because it have less of a chance of affecting a great number of people or a majority of the total population?

All I saying is crime happens everywhere and people can be made to feel as prisonersin theur home as a result of crime.


Then why dont you post the crime articles from trinidad, given that this thread is discussing crime in trinidad.  No one say it aint have crime in america, we just said that per person, the crime rate in trinidad can be interpreted as being higher that the us. And that thing about the serial killer in SC, didnt we just have two in trinidad? The PH driver and his female accomplice who it is believed were responsible for at least 5 deaths and who knows how many more missing in that central region?

Anyway since we discussing Trinidad I will start it for you... here's hoping you not in a situation like this poor family

No electric saw to perform autopsy
Saturday, July 4th 2009

   

FUNERAL arrangements for two-year-old Kiara Jackie have been put on hold until next week because pathologists at the Eric Williams Medical Sciences Complex in Mount Hope had no electric saw to perform her autopsy yesterday.

According to Jackie's grandmother, Wendy Maynard, the idea of a morgue not having a saw sounded "ridiculous", but she had no choice but to wait because it was a police matter and they had no authority to remove her granddaughter's body.

"The autopsy was supposed to be held today (yesterday), and now I'm here and they told me that they have no saw, so they cannot do any autopsy until Monday ... but I just don't understand why they have to make us go through this," she said.

Speaking to the Express via telephone from the hospital yesterday, a distraught Maynard said she hoped that when she goes on Monday "they are done".

When the Express called the morgue yesterday to enquire about the situation, a reliable source at the facility said they were on a strike because they were "fed up of using hacksaw blades to cut people open".

According to the source, for more than a year they have been forced to complete autopsies using hacksaw blades, because management had failed to get them the tools they need to perform efficiently. The source said the problem has been a chronic one for a long time but they were doing the best they could with what they had.

"You could ask the Government for a budget of $10 million, you will get, and you know you get, but you don't see it ... and it is more than ridiculous," the source said.

Contacted on the matter yesterday, chief executive officer at the North Central Regional Health Authority, Caroline Washington-Agile, said they borrowed an electric saw yesterday from an undisclosed source to carry out autopsies at the facility.

"We are in the process of getting a new saw and replacing the motor in the one that was damaged...because the intention is to have two," she said.

However, the source at the hospital told the Express that the saw and the parts, which would not cost the hospital more than US$3,000, are yet to be tendered.

-Aabida Allaham


Or here's for all the people complaining it have no jobs in trinidad

Foreign invasion
12,212 non-Caricom nationals get work permits
Published: 4 Jul 2009

The National Security Ministry granted 12,212 work permits to non-Caricom nationals between 2007 and 2008. Of this number, 2,827 work permits were granted to Chinese nationals, the ministry has confirmed.

Minister in the Ministry of National Security Donna Cox gave these figures in reply to an Opposition question in the Lower House yesterday. One question called for answers on the number of non-Caricom workers entering T&T and granted work permits for 2007 and 2008, and the number of Chinese immigrant labourers-workers employed in T&T for 2007 and 2008. Another question called for the nature of the contracts and terms of employment of Chinese workers entering T&T in 2007 and 2008.

Cox said 1,071 work permits were granted to Chinese nationals in 2007 and 1,756 to such nationals in 2008. She also said 5,103 work permits were granted to other non-Caricom workers in 2007 and 7,109 work permits in 2008. The ministry, in a written reply to the other query, stated that its database showed that most of the Chinese workers were employed with construction companies and restaurants. For 2007, approximately 74 per cent of the workers were employed in construction related occupations—carpenters, masons, welders, etc.

In addition, about 11 per cent of Chinese workers were employed in food services occupations—chefs, cooks, etc. For 2008, approximately 82 per cent of the workers were employed in construction-related occupations, while five per cent were employed in food services occupations. The ministry stated that such workers were usually granted a 12-month work permit. The terms and conditions of employment for these workers were between respective employers and workers and do not form ministry records, the ministry stated.

and some more crime articles you missed elan

Security guard gunned down
Camille Clarke
Published: 29 Jun 2009

Machel Huggins...shot dead.
Camille Clarke

A 22-year-old security guard was shot dead on Saturday night in Maloney. Machel Huggins, a former airport employee, of Building Four in Maloney, was liming with friends in front of the apartment building when he was shot, a report said.

Police said Huggins and his friends were approached by two gunmen around 8.30 pm. The gunmen opened fire on the group. While his friends scampered for safety, Huggins was shot about the body. He was taken to the Arima Health Facility where he was pronounced dead on arrival.

The victim’s father, Wayne Huggins, said he believed his son was killed because “he had been in the wrong place at the wrong time.” He said, “I spoke with several youths in Maloney. I think my son was in the wrong place. He travelled before and wanted to go abroad and study.” During an interview at his Bellbird home in Malabar, the grieving father said he was also mourning the loss of his daughter, Stacey Huggins.

Stacey was killed in a vehicular accident on January 2007, that also claimed the lives of three other people. “I am already mourning the death of my daughter. We (Huggins) were close and spoke with each other on a regular basis,” the senior Huggins said. “He was murdered...There are too many innocent youths losing their lives.

They should try and be peaceful and loving. They should read about leaders and think positive instead of taking innocent lives,” he said. He described his son as “loving, disciplined and helpful.” Detectives said they had no motive for his Huggins’ killing. However, they suspect his death was due to gang warfare in the area.


Man gunned down in St James bar
Akile Simon
Published: 28 Jun 2009
Akile Simon

An argument between two men turned fatal after a 25-year-old Morvant man was shot and killed while liming in a bar at St James on Saturday morning. The incident occurred around 3 am at Club Rush, located next to Smokey and Bunty.

Sean Thomas, of Dorata Street, Morvant, has been identified as the victim. Police said Thomas was a member of the “Gambino gang” and was among 13 men before the court charged with the rape of a schoolgirl in the Morvant district last year. Sources at the North-Eastern Division said Thomas was the second accused in the matter to be shot and killed.

According to investigators, Thomas was in the company of a male relative at the establishment when he got into an argument with another man. The suspect left the club and returned a short while later. He approached Thomas from behind and shot him once in the head, before quickly making his escape. Upon hearing the sound of gunfire, patrons scampered out of the liming spot. Thomas’ body was later discovered on the floor. He died at the scene.

Officers of the Port-of-Spain Homicide and the St James Police Station visited the scene and are continuing investigations. Only last Saturday, Sterlin Nero, 22, of Rich Plain Road, Diego Martin, was shot dead moments after he walked away from two separate confrontations with a group of men and a woman while liming at Crobar, Ariapita Avenue, Woodbrook.

Hospital has become the country’s latest murder victim. Clyde Patrick Horsford was found shot to death, a few metres from his Mt D’Or Road, Champ Fleurs, home yesterday afternoon. Horsford’s mother, Albertina, said she suspected something like this would have happened, after her son’s home was burnt last Sunday.

Speaking with the T&T Guardian at the scene, the 75-year-old mother of ten said she, too, remained baffled over the incident. “I was prepared for this already since they burn down his house on Father’s Day,” she said. With tears streaming from her face, Albertina said Clyde’s death caught her by surprise, since he never interfered with anyone.

“I was down the road and when I came home, I saw plenty people in the gallery, then one of the boys told me that Clyde dead,” she said. “Look, I bring food for him to eat, but he can’t eat it again. “I don’t know what to do...When I went ah take a look, I saw him lying there dead, and from the time I saw that, it hurt me real bad, I really can’t take this one,” the woman said, as she looked at crime scene investigators, who searched the bushy area for clues.

Police said that around 1.15 pm, they received a report that a bullet-riddled body of a man was found in some bushes at Mt D’Or Extension Terrace. When the officers got to the scene, they found the victim with multiple gunshot wounds to the back. Officers suspect the incident may have stemmed from an argument between Clyde and another man last Sunday.

A team of officers led by Senior Supt Rajendranath Maharaj, Sgts Hosein and Katwaroo, PCs Mohammed, Grant and Thomas of the St Joseph CID and Region I Homicide Bureau, along with officers of the Special Anti-Crime Unit, visited the scene. Grant is continuing investigations.


Suspect shot in robbery attempt
Akile Simon
Published: 4 Jul 2009

A suspected robber has been shot and wounded during a botched robbery at a Barataria businessplace yesterday. The 24-year-old suspect remains warded in serious condition under police guard at the Eric Williams Medical Sciences Complex in Mt Hope, up to late yesterday.

He sustained a gunshot wound to the neck. Officers of the North Eastern Division have also launched a search for a second suspect who escaped. According to police, around 11.15 am, two men, one armed with a pocket knife and the other a firearm, entered Mollineau’s Optical at Eastern Main Road, Barataria, and announced a hold-up.

Police said the robbers ordered the proprietor to the back of the store where they demanded cash and jewelry. The men began pushing the victim around, following which the man drew his licenced firearm and fired shots at the suspects. One of the men was hit in the neck while the other quickly made his escape. Officers recovered a blood-stained knife and clothing from the scene. Insp Moses and WPC Weekes, of the Morvant CID, visited the scene and are continuing investigations.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: elan on July 05, 2009, 12:02:15 PM
Hey elan ,Yuhs ah real annoying fly oui!!! dum dum! the USA have over 300 million ppl, just look @ the last 2 articles tuh post, it's from 2 differant states!!!!

you acting like if america is the size of haiti? this place real big wid ah whole lot ah waste land, states, and ppl from all over the world, so how could you compare it too an area the size of delaware!!!!!
 
let me tell yuh this pardener, no matter how yuh twist it and tun it, T&T still have more crime than the U.S. population wise! and if we were as big as them and had the same slack goverment,.....boy..... what a scary thought.

So what you saying crime is different because it have less of a chance of affecting a great number of people or a majority of the total population?

All I saying is crime happens everywhere and people can be made to feel as prisonersin theur home as a result of crime.


Then why dont you post the crime articles from trinidad, given that this thread is discussing crime in trinidad.  No one say it aint have crime in america, we just said that per person, the crime rate in trinidad can be interpreted as being higher that the us. And that thing about the serial killer in SC, didnt we just have two in trinidad? The PH driver and his female accomplice who it is believed were responsible for at least 5 deaths and who knows how many more missing in that central region?

Anyway since we discussing Trinidad I will start it for you... here's hoping you not in a situation like this poor family

No electric saw to perform autopsy
Saturday, July 4th 2009

   

FUNERAL arrangements for two-year-old Kiara Jackie have been put on hold until next week because pathologists at the Eric Williams Medical Sciences Complex in Mount Hope had no electric saw to perform her autopsy yesterday.

According to Jackie's grandmother, Wendy Maynard, the idea of a morgue not having a saw sounded "ridiculous", but she had no choice but to wait because it was a police matter and they had no authority to remove her granddaughter's body.

"The autopsy was supposed to be held today (yesterday), and now I'm here and they told me that they have no saw, so they cannot do any autopsy until Monday ... but I just don't understand why they have to make us go through this," she said.

Speaking to the Express via telephone from the hospital yesterday, a distraught Maynard said she hoped that when she goes on Monday "they are done".

When the Express called the morgue yesterday to enquire about the situation, a reliable source at the facility said they were on a strike because they were "fed up of using hacksaw blades to cut people open".

According to the source, for more than a year they have been forced to complete autopsies using hacksaw blades, because management had failed to get them the tools they need to perform efficiently. The source said the problem has been a chronic one for a long time but they were doing the best they could with what they had.

"You could ask the Government for a budget of $10 million, you will get, and you know you get, but you don't see it ... and it is more than ridiculous," the source said.

Contacted on the matter yesterday, chief executive officer at the North Central Regional Health Authority, Caroline Washington-Agile, said they borrowed an electric saw yesterday from an undisclosed source to carry out autopsies at the facility.

"We are in the process of getting a new saw and replacing the motor in the one that was damaged...because the intention is to have two," she said.

However, the source at the hospital told the Express that the saw and the parts, which would not cost the hospital more than US$3,000, are yet to be tendered.

-Aabida Allaham


Or here's for all the people complaining it have no jobs in trinidad

Foreign invasion
12,212 non-Caricom nationals get work permits
Published: 4 Jul 2009

The National Security Ministry granted 12,212 work permits to non-Caricom nationals between 2007 and 2008. Of this number, 2,827 work permits were granted to Chinese nationals, the ministry has confirmed.

Minister in the Ministry of National Security Donna Cox gave these figures in reply to an Opposition question in the Lower House yesterday. One question called for answers on the number of non-Caricom workers entering T&T and granted work permits for 2007 and 2008, and the number of Chinese immigrant labourers-workers employed in T&T for 2007 and 2008. Another question called for the nature of the contracts and terms of employment of Chinese workers entering T&T in 2007 and 2008.

Cox said 1,071 work permits were granted to Chinese nationals in 2007 and 1,756 to such nationals in 2008. She also said 5,103 work permits were granted to other non-Caricom workers in 2007 and 7,109 work permits in 2008. The ministry, in a written reply to the other query, stated that its database showed that most of the Chinese workers were employed with construction companies and restaurants. For 2007, approximately 74 per cent of the workers were employed in construction related occupations—carpenters, masons, welders, etc.

In addition, about 11 per cent of Chinese workers were employed in food services occupations—chefs, cooks, etc. For 2008, approximately 82 per cent of the workers were employed in construction-related occupations, while five per cent were employed in food services occupations. The ministry stated that such workers were usually granted a 12-month work permit. The terms and conditions of employment for these workers were between respective employers and workers and do not form ministry records, the ministry stated.

and some more crime articles you missed elan

Security guard gunned down
Camille Clarke
Published: 29 Jun 2009

Machel Huggins...shot dead.
Camille Clarke

A 22-year-old security guard was shot dead on Saturday night in Maloney. Machel Huggins, a former airport employee, of Building Four in Maloney, was liming with friends in front of the apartment building when he was shot, a report said.

Police said Huggins and his friends were approached by two gunmen around 8.30 pm. The gunmen opened fire on the group. While his friends scampered for safety, Huggins was shot about the body. He was taken to the Arima Health Facility where he was pronounced dead on arrival.

The victim’s father, Wayne Huggins, said he believed his son was killed because “he had been in the wrong place at the wrong time.” He said, “I spoke with several youths in Maloney. I think my son was in the wrong place. He travelled before and wanted to go abroad and study.” During an interview at his Bellbird home in Malabar, the grieving father said he was also mourning the loss of his daughter, Stacey Huggins.

Stacey was killed in a vehicular accident on January 2007, that also claimed the lives of three other people. “I am already mourning the death of my daughter. We (Huggins) were close and spoke with each other on a regular basis,” the senior Huggins said. “He was murdered...There are too many innocent youths losing their lives.

They should try and be peaceful and loving. They should read about leaders and think positive instead of taking innocent lives,” he said. He described his son as “loving, disciplined and helpful.” Detectives said they had no motive for his Huggins’ killing. However, they suspect his death was due to gang warfare in the area.


Man gunned down in St James bar
Akile Simon
Published: 28 Jun 2009
Akile Simon

An argument between two men turned fatal after a 25-year-old Morvant man was shot and killed while liming in a bar at St James on Saturday morning. The incident occurred around 3 am at Club Rush, located next to Smokey and Bunty.

Sean Thomas, of Dorata Street, Morvant, has been identified as the victim. Police said Thomas was a member of the “Gambino gang” and was among 13 men before the court charged with the rape of a schoolgirl in the Morvant district last year. Sources at the North-Eastern Division said Thomas was the second accused in the matter to be shot and killed.

According to investigators, Thomas was in the company of a male relative at the establishment when he got into an argument with another man. The suspect left the club and returned a short while later. He approached Thomas from behind and shot him once in the head, before quickly making his escape. Upon hearing the sound of gunfire, patrons scampered out of the liming spot. Thomas’ body was later discovered on the floor. He died at the scene.

Officers of the Port-of-Spain Homicide and the St James Police Station visited the scene and are continuing investigations. Only last Saturday, Sterlin Nero, 22, of Rich Plain Road, Diego Martin, was shot dead moments after he walked away from two separate confrontations with a group of men and a woman while liming at Crobar, Ariapita Avenue, Woodbrook.

Hospital has become the country’s latest murder victim. Clyde Patrick Horsford was found shot to death, a few metres from his Mt D’Or Road, Champ Fleurs, home yesterday afternoon. Horsford’s mother, Albertina, said she suspected something like this would have happened, after her son’s home was burnt last Sunday.

Speaking with the T&T Guardian at the scene, the 75-year-old mother of ten said she, too, remained baffled over the incident. “I was prepared for this already since they burn down his house on Father’s Day,” she said. With tears streaming from her face, Albertina said Clyde’s death caught her by surprise, since he never interfered with anyone.

“I was down the road and when I came home, I saw plenty people in the gallery, then one of the boys told me that Clyde dead,” she said. “Look, I bring food for him to eat, but he can’t eat it again. “I don’t know what to do...When I went ah take a look, I saw him lying there dead, and from the time I saw that, it hurt me real bad, I really can’t take this one,” the woman said, as she looked at crime scene investigators, who searched the bushy area for clues.

Police said that around 1.15 pm, they received a report that a bullet-riddled body of a man was found in some bushes at Mt D’Or Extension Terrace. When the officers got to the scene, they found the victim with multiple gunshot wounds to the back. Officers suspect the incident may have stemmed from an argument between Clyde and another man last Sunday.

A team of officers led by Senior Supt Rajendranath Maharaj, Sgts Hosein and Katwaroo, PCs Mohammed, Grant and Thomas of the St Joseph CID and Region I Homicide Bureau, along with officers of the Special Anti-Crime Unit, visited the scene. Grant is continuing investigations.


Suspect shot in robbery attempt
Akile Simon
Published: 4 Jul 2009

A suspected robber has been shot and wounded during a botched robbery at a Barataria businessplace yesterday. The 24-year-old suspect remains warded in serious condition under police guard at the Eric Williams Medical Sciences Complex in Mt Hope, up to late yesterday.

He sustained a gunshot wound to the neck. Officers of the North Eastern Division have also launched a search for a second suspect who escaped. According to police, around 11.15 am, two men, one armed with a pocket knife and the other a firearm, entered Mollineau’s Optical at Eastern Main Road, Barataria, and announced a hold-up.

Police said the robbers ordered the proprietor to the back of the store where they demanded cash and jewelry. The men began pushing the victim around, following which the man drew his licenced firearm and fired shots at the suspects. One of the men was hit in the neck while the other quickly made his escape. Officers recovered a blood-stained knife and clothing from the scene. Insp Moses and WPC Weekes, of the Morvant CID, visited the scene and are continuing investigations.

I don't have to post the bad news from T&T as there are you all to do that. You all on a mission, so I on a mission too.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: verycute1 on July 05, 2009, 03:36:01 PM
Well if the good ol' US of A so bad for you with all these stories you hunt down from all these different states, some of them larger than Trinidad, then why you dont go home? Just the reverse of the debate that we are having here.  I find it hypocritical to be posting all these crime stories with the intent or "mission" of proving that the crime here just as bad if not worse that in T&T, all while you living here taking the yankee dollar living the yankee dream. Best you go home, live in trinidad unmolested, and where you sure it wont have no school shootings because those kids haven't got guns into the schools yet, and where your family wont lose their handbags in beauty parlors and you can leave your door open all the time. I am sure that it have nuff people willing to take your place on this side of the world.

By the way, according to the NYPD, as of 6/28/2009 the NYC murder rate was 200 even. That's using info from all 5 boroughs, and the population is about 8.36 million. You can find that info on the nyc.gov website under the nypd crime stats, they update it weekly. I believe that after Tecia's death, the murder rate in T&T was somewhere over 250? And what does the population stand at again? Anyone have those stats?

 For 2008 the NYC murder rate was 523. For trinidad, the official tally stands at 545 for 2008, though some think it was higher than that, if you take into account the missing and not accounted for.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: STEUPS!! on July 05, 2009, 04:45:59 PM
Well if the good ol' US of A so bad for you with all these stories you hunt down from all these different states, some of them larger than Trinidad, then why you dont go home? Just the reverse of the debate that we are having here.  I find it hypocritical to be posting all these crime stories with the intent or "mission" of proving that the crime here just as bad if not worse that in T&T, all while you living here taking the yankee dollar living the yankee dream. Best you go home, live in trinidad unmolested, and where you sure it wont have no school shootings because those kids haven't got guns into the schools yet, and where your family wont lose their handbags in beauty parlors and you can leave your door open all the time. I am sure that it have nuff people willing to take your place on this side of the world.

By the way, according to the NYPD, as of 6/28/2009 the NYC murder rate was 200 even. That's using info from all 5 boroughs, and the population is about 8.36 million. You can find that info on the nyc.gov website under the nypd crime stats, they update it weekly. I believe that after Tecia's death, the murder rate in T&T was somewhere over 250? And what does the population stand at again? Anyone have those stats?

 For 2008 the NYC murder rate was 523. For trinidad, the official tally stands at 545 for 2008, though some think it was higher than that, if you take into account the missing and not accounted for.

8.36 million population in NYC also means a larger police force, which means a higher ability to handle crime. since u puttin up stats, maybe u can put up the ratio of police to citizens in NYC and compare it to the ratio for trinidad.

again, i am not makin any excuses for d crime rate down here, but we have to real, it jus doh have enough police to handle d crime situation in d country.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: verycute1 on July 05, 2009, 06:13:59 PM
Well if the good ol' US of A so bad for you with all these stories you hunt down from all these different states, some of them larger than Trinidad, then why you dont go home? Just the reverse of the debate that we are having here.  I find it hypocritical to be posting all these crime stories with the intent or "mission" of proving that the crime here just as bad if not worse that in T&T, all while you living here taking the yankee dollar living the yankee dream. Best you go home, live in trinidad unmolested, and where you sure it wont have no school shootings because those kids haven't got guns into the schools yet, and where your family wont lose their handbags in beauty parlors and you can leave your door open all the time. I am sure that it have nuff people willing to take your place on this side of the world.

By the way, according to the NYPD, as of 6/28/2009 the NYC murder rate was 200 even. That's using info from all 5 boroughs, and the population is about 8.36 million. You can find that info on the nyc.gov website under the nypd crime stats, they update it weekly. I believe that after Tecia's death, the murder rate in T&T was somewhere over 250? And what does the population stand at again? Anyone have those stats?

 For 2008 the NYC murder rate was 523. For trinidad, the official tally stands at 545 for 2008, though some think it was higher than that, if you take into account the missing and not accounted for.

8.36 million population in NYC also means a larger police force, which means a higher ability to handle crime. since u puttin up stats, maybe u can put up the ratio of police to citizens in NYC and compare it to the ratio for trinidad.

again, i am not makin any excuses for d crime rate down here, but we have to real, it jus doh have enough police to handle d crime situation in d country.



Sure


 ratio is 1 officer per 223 citizens nypd


 1 officer per 162 citizens trinidad and tobago

Source: Encyclopaedia of Police Science by Jack Greene 3rd edition published 0ct 2006

Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: elan on July 05, 2009, 06:18:33 PM
Well if the good ol' US of A so bad for you with all these stories you hunt down from all these different states, some of them larger than Trinidad, then why you dont go home? Just the reverse of the debate that we are having here.  I find it hypocritical to be posting all these crime stories with the intent or "mission" of proving that the crime here just as bad if not worse that in T&T, all while you living here taking the yankee dollar living the yankee dream. Best you go home, live in trinidad unmolested, and where you sure it wont have no school shootings because those kids haven't got guns into the schools yet, and where your family wont lose their handbags in beauty parlors and you can leave your door open all the time. I am sure that it have nuff people willing to take your place on this side of the world.

By the way, according to the NYPD, as of 6/28/2009 the NYC murder rate was 200 even. That's using info from all 5 boroughs, and the population is about 8.36 million. You can find that info on the nyc.gov website under the nypd crime stats, they update it weekly. I believe that after Tecia's death, the murder rate in T&T was somewhere over 250? And what does the population stand at again? Anyone have those stats?

 For 2008 the NYC murder rate was 523. For trinidad, the official tally stands at 545 for 2008, though some think it was higher than that, if you take into account the missing and not accounted for.

Look how simple. You get offended real quick. You all want a free pass to say whatever you want about T&T, but when people criticize alyuh land of the free you getting offended and talking abou t go home. How about, you all never going back to T&T? If USA is all that why such a vested interest in T&T (although it's so negative). Bring all you family to the land where the streets are paved with gold and a person being affected by crime is 99% less likely than T&T.

IU like the States, but that does not keep me from seeing the negatives up here or the positives at home. I guess I am different to you all caus e I came here by choice. I did not have to come here I choose to come here just to experience something different. I had everything back home, and if I decide tomorrow I going home, I will have it much, much, much better than up here. I not trying to create no illusion that I have everything up here and I am one of them, cause I am not. I see Americans struggle big time around me and I understand that anywhere you go you have to work hard, and be weary about what's going on around you.

For all the negative articles you all post about T&T foreigners are still heading to T&T for vacation and business. Look at the Hyatt they just built and the cost to stay there, most of us here would not even stay in a Hyatt up here much less to go home and pay 3 times the amount. You feel these business people not recognizing the positives in T&T? Yes crime high and it getting out of hand, but it's like that anywhere.

Only last week my dad went and get a glass to fix we front door (about a 6x6 piece to replace - fancy door nah). For over a year anyone could have just walked up and put their hand through and open the door and go with anything in the house and we never lose anything.

People will always be people any where you go in the world.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: verycute1 on July 05, 2009, 07:41:09 PM
Loosen your cap I ent offended. I asking a true question trying to figure out where you coming from. Because the amount of crime stats you post for the US whenever anyone talks bout crime in TRINIDAD, just makes it seem like you arguing against living in the states  is all.

As for the vested interest in trinidad, well I still have a  son at private school, a mother, a father, siblings, and much more family living there. So when crime hits home, like my moms being at the Caribbean airlines office moments before the bandits showed up, or my aunt getting mugged in front of a daycare, or my grandfather being pistol whipped by bandits, or a lady being killed in her own house by bandits not even a block away from my son's private school,  well it brings everything a little closer in perspective.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: fishs on July 06, 2009, 12:15:08 AM
Loosen your cap I ent offended. I asking a true question trying to figure out where you coming from. Because the amount of crime stats you post for the US whenever anyone talks bout crime in TRINIDAD, just makes it seem like you arguing against living in the states  is all.

As for the vested interest in trinidad, well I still have a  son at private school, a mother, a father, siblings, and much more family living there. So when crime hits home, like my moms being at the Caribbean airlines office moments before the bandits showed up, or my aunt getting mugged in front of a daycare, or my grandfather being pistol whipped by bandits, or a lady being killed in her own house by bandits not even a block away from my son's private school,  well it brings everything a little closer in perspective.

Wow yuh family is a crime statistic all by itself
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: WestCoast on July 06, 2009, 05:50:59 PM
since this story was first posted in this thread here is the hopeful outcome
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31759835/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

original story
Serial killer has South Carolina residents on edge
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Babalawo on July 15, 2009, 07:36:01 AM
me eh living in no country with shitty hospitals
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Baby Faith can’t move arm, dad wants probe

Wednesday, July 15 2009


Six-day-old Faith Davis rests on her bandaged right arm at San Fernando General Hospitalyesterday. Faith's parents claim doctors have said she may lose use of her arm which becameseverely swollen after medication was fed to her veins with needles.

A New Grant man wants Minister of Health Jerry Narace to investigate the children’s ward of the San Fernando General Hospital (SFGH) after doctors said his six-day-old baby girl may lose use of her right hand for life.

Earl Davis, 39, of Brothers Road, New Grant, told Newsday his wife Maureen, 37, rushed their new born baby Faith to the SFGH after she began to suffer from a series of seizures on July 9.

Davis said Faith was placed on Ward 14, which is for children, and spent the rest of the night there receiving intravenous drugs to prevent the onset of more seizures.

When he visited Faith on July 10, Davis said he noticed a large swollen area on her right hand and right leg where doctors had inserted needles to administer the medication.

Davis said he became worried about the swelling especially when a large fluid-filled sac, a bleb, developed on the baby’s tiny right wrist.

“Doctors told me that Faith’s hand was so tiny that the medication did not enter the vein at the point of injection and the fluid collected under the skin instead,” said Davis.

On July 11, Faith’s right hand lost its ability to flex. Davis said Faith was in pain and cried all the time and he became so worried that hospital staff sent a skin specialist to examine the baby’s right hand.

Davis said he was devastated by what the specialist told him. “The specialist said Faith may never have the full use of her right hand because of the swelling and water bladder.” The distraught father wants Narace to visit Ward 14 to see how small children suffer there without getting adequate attention from doctors and nurses. “Every time I go in the hospital and I see Faith my heart gets full. I don’t think the children there are monitored round the clock,” said Davis.

Davis said he pays health surcharge but it seems that it makes no difference when poor people need to go to the hospital for treatment.

“The treatment in Children’s Ward is not nice at all. Faith would not have that water bladder if doctors were monitoring her properly.”

Attempts to contact SWRHA CEO Michael Harris were unsuccessful as calls to him went unanswered. However, Dr Kerryn Brahim, a consultant to the neonatal unit (Faith is on a general children’s ward), said the swelling is a “recognised complication of any infusion in a newborn and paediatric”

“The drips could tissue, that is when the fluid comes out of the vein and collects in the surrounding tissue,” he said. This could only be avoided if there is adequate staff on the ward to monitor “those intravenous sites”.

He said the ward Faith is on is usually understaffed with three nurses assigned to up to 40 children.

Although, he is not Faith’s doctor, Brahim said her arm still has to be monitored. He said even if scarring crosses a joint it can be corrected with skin grafts, physiotherapy and orthopaedic therapy.
http://www.newsday.co.tt/news/0,103768.html
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Savannah boy on July 15, 2009, 01:24:25 PM
Quote from: Savannah boy on June 01, 2009, 11:06:10 AM
T&T sweet fuh so but seriously, do you really have an idea how many business people had to leave our shores for the safety of themselves and their families.  The reward for going to school and beating book is to live in fear of some youths who into perpetual liming and time wasting.  Something not right there.  Until dat obstacle is removed, it doh have no going back and lending ah helping hand to yuh birth land.  Wise investments doh include no loyalties.  I went to Saints so I know plenty from de brain drain who have been directly affected by de crime scene.  Some were killed because de family could not come up with a full ransom.  Dis going on long time now.  Is jes that it getting worse.  Those who own ah bizness know what I talking about.  Those who do not take financial risks and prefer to work all thier lives for other peeps remain unaffected.  Their worry is whether to jump in PH car or not and dat is a whole other story.  Ah jes telling yuh, bizness people under real pressure back home.  Going to the bank alone is like an episode of Survivor.  All de beach, carnival, pan, soca, rum, fete, bumsee, wining, doubles, roti, pelau, bake & shark and whaever else we does indulge in cyah remove dat fear.  It does affect people sleep.  Try sleeping with one eye open all de time.  De idea dat it have natural stress jes by being in North America or Europe is fallacious.  It have stress everywhere unless yuh lacking some blasted ambition and...NO...holding down ah lil work jes to pay bills is not ambition.

Truetrini Reply: unless yuh doing wrong, yuh eh sleeping with one eye open at all...stop dat

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So what yuh saying is dat only evil bizness people dat getting rob in T&T?  Strange dat officially licensed guns are at an all time high in the business community.  It only takes you buying a nice house and car and you're a possible target for robbery and yuh family members could be kidnapped.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Dumplingdinho on July 15, 2009, 07:35:22 PM
i think this will eventually be de longest thread in history...in de end, to each his own.  it have ppl in trini who wish dey was living in de US and vice versa while others happy just where they are. 
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: fari on July 17, 2009, 11:36:11 AM
the funny thing is that this debate is being played out in households all across the world.  my wife for example is from puerto rico and is extremely homesick.  almost every week we talk about the pros and cons of going back puerto rico, one of the sticking point is salary, PR just like trini where teachers etc. making not so much money compared to other sectors.   housing as u can imagine is another factor, schools, etc.    maybe one day we will make the move back to the caribbean, who knows.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Sando on July 18, 2009, 04:56:10 AM
300 murders in 7 months.
By LAUREL V WILLIAMS (NEWSDAY
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Saturday, July 18 2009

A 25-YEAR-OLD Princes Town businessman became this country’s 300th murder victim for this year, when two gunmen stormed the victim’s place of business — a bar — and opened fire yesterday.

Shawn Gunness was shot dead while his father Deonarine “Dan” Gunness, 49, was also shot and remains warded in critical condition at hospital. Shawn was killed less than a day after an Arima man became the 299th murder victim, when he too was gunned down.

According to police reports, at about 1 pm, two men walked into Green Arrow Recreation Club off the Naparima/Mayaro Road near Matilda Junction and ordered two Ginseng-Up drinks.

As Shawn was about to give the men the beverage, one of them pulled out a gun and shot him as he was walking towards the bar counter. Shawn’s father who was standing at the doorway of the bar, ran to his assistance and was shot by the two men who then ran off.

“Dan was shot in the chest and hands while Shawn was shot in the chest. Shawn fell and hit his head. This is the first time something like this has happened here and the family has been operating this business for over 40 years,” Deonarine’s father Harrichan said.

Father and son were taken to the San Fernando General Hospital where the younger Gunness was pronounced dead-on-arrival while the elder was treated and remains warded in critical condition.

As police searched for clues at the scene yesterday evening, shocked relatives stood nearby consoling each other.

The relatives said they could not understand the motive behind the shootings.

“It cannot be robbery because nothing was stolen. We have never been threatened and maybe it was just jealously that caused these men to kill my grandson and shoot my son,” Harrichan said.

No arrests have been made and Homicide Investigations Bureau (San Fernando) detectives are continuing enquiries.

On Thursday at about 8.25 pm, Derek Calderon alias “Virus” of Calvary Hill in Arima was standing in the yard of a house near his home when he was confronted by a gunman who shot him several times before running off. Calderon was taken to the Arima District Hospital where he was pronounced dead on arrival.

Police yesterday described the murder of Calderon as a revenge killing and added that the victim was well-known to law enforcement. For the same period last year, 283 persons were murdered.

Murders 299 and 300 took place after National Security Minister Martin Joseph admitted during a post-Cabinet press conference on Thursday, of being under pressure in dealing with the issue of national security. So much so that in trying to answer a reporter’s question Joseph mumbled and then paused before admitting he was having “a senior moment”.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: AB.Trini on July 18, 2009, 11:30:16 AM
Culture is not static; it is dynamic and ever changing. The Trinidad I grew up in during the 60's is not the one I return to annually.  Having said that, I would return to live  back home in a heart beat:I need to procure a residence of my own and adjust back to the lifestyle.

Reintegration back into one's  familiar culture  does take  a physical, emotional and mental adjustment. I have worked for BP,  in a capacity of preparing  workers for a culture other than their own and have also worked with integrating folks who have been abroad to readjust in coming back.

It is not a given that people  automatically walk back into a culture without noticing differences in the way  simple transactions occur.  In its' simplistic sense , If one is prepared to accept what is without defaulting or comparing to  another, movement is a whole lot easier. No one lives in a vacuum not are all insular or void of the threat  of crime; pothole and traffic congestion exist  in N.America as is TNT. When I note the  challenges that these larger nations are facing with infrastructure, rapid advancements in technology and crime, then I could at times understand the  dilemma that TNT is up against.

Bottom line: Is TNT a perfect Place? no are there people living relatively comfortable lifestyles in TNT ? yes? Is this one that all  nationals  enjoy or have access to? probably not. At the end of the day I believe that it comes to personal choice. If one chooses to accept what is and not what they want it to be, one could decide if that is the place for them.

In my humble opinion, there are many changes which I am not fond of compared to the  days when I lived there. The high probably of  physical harm, the inherent fear of being out late and the conditions of having to live in a house that is barricaded like an imposed prison environment is not the sense of personal freedom as one would know it. However given what it is, would I  consider moving back home YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Babalawo on July 20, 2009, 07:08:06 AM
Bwdmc
La Brea man shoot man in head with harpoon
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Farmer murdered with fish gun
By LAUREL V WILLIAMS Sunday, July 19 2009

A DISPUTE between two La Brea residents yesterday ended in one of them killing the other with a fish gun. Franklyn Millington, 37, was shot in the forehead with the weapon which is used to shoot fish by underwater divers.

The incident happened at about 11.30 am yesterday in front of Harry’s Roti Shop, Southern Main Road, La Brea. Police have since been on the hunt for the assailant who according to a police report, yanked out the fish gun from where it penetrated Millington and fled.

A police report stated that Millington confronted the man on the road and accused him of stealing produce from his garden. Both men were seen arguing with each other and according to the report, it grew heated and Millington ran towards the entrance of the roti shop.

But as he was about to enter the business place, the report stated, the assailant pursued him and fired the fish gun at Millington. The spear of the fish gun which has a pointed end, penetrated Millington’s forehead.

According to the report, the assailant ran towards Millington who had fallen at the entrance to the shop and yanked out the weapon. Millington, a father of two, lay on the ground bleeding from the wound to the forehead. Police officers arrived on the scene and took him to the San Fernando General Hospital where he was pronounced dead on arrival.

Owner of the roti shop, Roger Harricharan, 32, said he witnessed the incident and told Sunday Newsday: “I was standing outside the shop. Franklyn fell and the man pulled out the spear gun from his face and went off running in the road. My family tried to stop the bleeding with towels but it was no use. He was unconscious.”

Villagers rushed to Millington’s aid but Harricharan said that their attempts to revive him were unsuccessful.

A distraught Harricharan described the killing as senseless and made a passionate plea for the authorities to make a firm commitment to dealing with murders. “This is shocking and stressful. If there were customers around who knows what could have happened to them,” Harricharan said.

At the scene yesterday, police searched for evidence and investigators told the Sunday Newsday that they believe that the assailant has the fish gun. ASP Celestine Phillips of the South Western Division police is spearheading the investigations.

Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: AB.Trini on July 20, 2009, 05:51:55 PM
Few questions:
How much of the news  is sensational reporting of crime?

Is the crime in TNT  contextual to specific areas and certain elements of society?

With the alleged high incidents of crime, why are foreign nationals still investing in TNT?
Why  ARE VISIBLE FOREIGN NATIONALS choosing to  reside in TNT?

Why are house prices still high?

Is it all doom and gloom for some and not others?

Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: ribbit on July 20, 2009, 07:34:06 PM
Best you go home, live in trinidad unmolested, and where you sure it wont have no school shootings because those kids haven't got guns into the schools yet

vc, ah read a statistic today - the school life expectancy in t&t is 11 years compared to 16 (usa) and 17 (south korea, canada). a 5 to 6 years difference in schooling on average.

doh study school shootings nuh - in t&t de shooter done drop out graduate!! 

:whew: rest easy, school in t&t real safe. dais one less problem.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Mackie on July 22, 2009, 01:39:01 PM
South not so bad !!! :)
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: NYtriniwhiteboy.. on July 22, 2009, 01:48:57 PM
South not so bad !!! :)

Mackie yuh mention that and it make me smile. After living in south since 1989 my family moving back to the north next year. When I tell yuh it makes me nervous. When I liming in any bar in south, sando, claxton bay, i never feel nervous. In town I am though!
Can't really explain it, because even though I may be up north most weekends I still not comfortable there!
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Daft Trini on August 05, 2009, 05:24:42 AM
Tourist Warning for Trinidad and Tobago


http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Trinidad-And-Tobago-Crime-Warning-Foreign-Office-Updates-Travel-Advice-For-Caribbean-Islands/Article/200908115354511?lpos=World_News_First_World_News_Article_Teaser_Region_4&lid=ARTICLE_15354511_Trinidad_And_Tobago_Crime_Warning%3A_Foreign_Office_Updates_Travel_Advice_For_Caribbean_Islands
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: pecan on August 13, 2009, 08:33:14 PM
No, I will not return home to live, but I will continue to visit T&T as often as I can.  There is a longing in my heart but right now, I will remain in Canada. My roots here are too deep (moved to Canada when I was 13 years old).  Been living here over 30 years.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Sam on March 08, 2010, 05:11:57 AM
This kinda shit could only happen in T&T..... and it happened with all T&T past and present government. Why cant we get someone who really cares about our country and people... WHY !!!

MANNING DEFENDED UDECOTT, HART 45 TIMES
By Andre Bagoo Monday, March 8 2010


BEFORE CALDER Hart resigned as executive chairman in the wake of documents showing links between Hart and a company the Udecott board awarded $820 million in contracts, the Prime Minister Patrick Manning and Cabinet defended Hart and Udecott no less than forty-five times over the course of two years, all the while apparently taking no action to deal with allegations against Hart.

The figures reinforce concerns over the failure of Manning’s Government to address issues of corruption in private State companies, issues that were first raised in 2008 and then consistently stone-walled by the State right up to last week when Hart flew, on a one way ticket, to Ft Lauderdale, Florida, mere hours before his resignation was announced.

Checks done by Newsday disclose that Manning himself praised Hart in a personal capacity no less than four times, even after it was first alleged that Hart’s in-laws once sat as directors of Malaysian firm Sunway Construction Caribbean Limited, the firm that is at work on Udecott’s $820 million Ministry of Legal Affairs Towers in downtown Port-of-Spain.

The allegations dated back to May 23, 2008, when they were first raised by Tabaquite MP Ramesh Lawrence Maharaj in Parliament. Yet that did not stop Manning from praising Hart on April 8, 2009, almost a year later, when both men attended the opening of Udecott’s billion-dollar International Waterfront Centre on Dock Road, Port-of-Spain.

“I want to commend everyone on a job well done,” Manning said. “And of course you will forgive me my dear friends if I specially commend Udecott and Calder Hart, chairman, for the indefatigable efforts they have put in, not just on this project, but the so many others that are springing up all over Trinidad and Tobago.”

The Prime Minister, and Udecott line ministers Emily Gaynor Dick-Forde, the Planning Minister, and Minister of State Tina Gronlund-Nunez, were photographed raising glasses in a toast with Hart on that occasion.

Then, in Parliament on October 21, 2009, Manning defended Hart, casting him as a public official caught up in a battle between the Prime Minister and his detractors during debate on a bill to validate the proceedings of the Uff Commission of Inquiry.

Hitting out at what he called the “tyranny of the lynch mob” he said, “They want to get Calder Hart but let me tell you it is not Calder Hart. It is not Udecott. It is the Prime Minister and the Government that is what they are after!” While the ex-husband of Hart’s wife Sherrine, Carl Khan, had come forward five months earlier to corroborate Maharaj’s allegations, Manning said of those who took Khan’s allegations seriously, “They are not interested in the truth, they prefer to rely on the evidence of a jilted lover.”

This year, on January 7 in Parliament, the Prime Minister said Hart was of the calibre to be appointed to the Integrity Commission. “Don’t rule it out! Don’t rule it out!” he said in cross-talk with MPs.

At the opening of the National Academy for the Performing Arts in November last year, Manning hailed the Udecott chairman and noted, “Many can talk but few can build,” Manning said. “As the Bible says, by their deeds they shall be known.” He called the academy “a masterpiece owned by the people of Trinidad and Tobago.”

But in addition to praising Hart, the Prime Minister has been consistent in his praise of Udecott as a corporation. He defended the company as he resisted calls for a Commission of Inquiry into its affairs in the wake of the sacking of his former Trade Minister Diego Martin West MP Dr Keith Rowley. Rowley had called for Cabinet oversight of Udecott and accountability.

After Rowley was fired under mysterious circumstances, Manning denied that Udecott was acting without adequate Cabinet oversight and also, at a post-Cabinet press briefing at Whitehall on April 24, 2008, denied that Udecott was building a 60-room hotel at the NAPA.

In the face of calls from Rowley — and a wide cross- section of civil society — for a Commission of Inquiry into Udecott, Manning resisted.

On May 9, 2008, he addressed calls for an inquiry by saying in Parliament, “Hurry dog eat raw meat. You have not heard the last word on that.” Days later, on May 12, 2008, he defended special purpose State enterprises like Udecott at a PNM breakfast meeting at the Crowne Plaza, Port-of-Spain, saying companies like Udecott were needed because of “public service bureaucracy”. Even when he announced a Joint Select Committee, and not an inquiry, in a special appearance in the Senate on May 13, 2008, Manning still described allegations against Udecott as “wild, reckless, uninformed statements” and failed to say if the Government had taken steps to investigate the allegations.

When, finally, the Prime Minister capitulated to the calls for an inquiry on May 23, 2008, after Maharaj made his allegations, he still defended Udecott.

“What the Government is trying to do — and it is not Udecott — is to change the established order in the construction sector through the special purpose State enterprise of Udecott. That is what we are trying to do. So, in terms of the policy that Udecott is pursuing, it is a Government policy, and what the Government is trying to do is to change the established order,” he said.

Even after Maharaj’s allegations were made, the Office of the Prime Minister, on July 18, 2008, revealed that the Prime Minister met with officials from Sunway, the same company linked with Hart. The announcement was taken by many as a tacit condoning, by the Prime Minister, of Udecott’s dealings with the company. Later, on October 3, 2008, Manning defended his meeting and confirmed that he had visited Sunway in Malaysia in the company of Dr Lenny Saith and Ken Julien “some time ago.”

During a motion of no-confidence against him on September 12, 2008, Manning again defended Udecott, arguing that criticisms levied against Udecott by the Opposition were designed to deprive the company of work. On August 25, 2009, Manning defended Udecott, characterising concerns over it thus, “The dispute that has erupted between Udecott and others is nothing more than an attempt by Udecott to bring about change.”

While the Prime Minister took the lead on beating down any attempts to question the propriety of what has transpired at one of this country’s most powerful State enterprises, his Cabinet members were equally vocal disciples of his Udecott worship.

On May 2, 2008, Dick-Forde said at the launch of a household survey that she was not aware of any problems with Udecott’s projects or irregularities with its tender procedures. On May 6, 2008, Minister in the Ministry of Finance Mariano Browne said at a Red House press conference, “I myself don’t have any specific difficulties with the issue of transparency at Udecott at this stage.”

At a Whitehall press briefing on May 8, 2008, Works and Transport Minister Colm Imbert even questioned the need for a commission of inquiry, asking, “Why should there be a commission of inquiry into Udecott? And why should there be a forensic audit into Udecott?” He shot down calls for in inquiry, arguing that a Parliamentary Joint Select Committee (JSC) was more transparent than an inquiry. Browne, on May 16, 2008, supported this, arguing that a JSC was “more robust” than a commission of inquiry.

At a press conference at the Old Fire Station Building, Port-of-Spain, on May 19, Saith, Imbert, Dick-Forde and Information Minister Neil Parsanlal all down-played concerns over Udecott.

On June, 5, 2008, Imbert called Maharaj’s allegations “in the realm of speculation” and did not say if the Government would investigate them.

On May 14, 2008, the Udecott board broke its silence, arguing that the company was transparent and accountable, as the Government looked on. On May 21, 2008 board member and Independent Senator Michael Annisette called for a JSC.

But days later, the Government appeared to make an about turn, appointing an inquiry, however, Manning named former Integrity Commission chairman Gordon Deane as chairman, notwithstanding his role in the Keith Rowley Landate affair.

As the Government came under further attack, the Cabinet went on the offensive. On June 9, 2008, Browne argued that Udecott’s critics were people acting in “self interest”. Even when Imbert named a new chairman to the inquiry, Professor John Uff, he said allegations against Udecott “will lead to further misinformation in the public domain.”

Amidst this steady stream of Udecott backing, the Government quietly continued to award new work to Udecott, especially under Health Minister Jerry Narace.

As if she sensed the need to justify this, and to justify the failure of Udecott to address allegations against it as it had promised it would, Dick-Forde said at a post-Cabinet press briefing at Whitehall, “We have to wait until Udecott is ready...I don’t see governance requires that I tell them what to do.”

Days after the Government announced the full line-up for the inquiry, Dick-Forde said of Udecott’s critics in Parliament on September 12, 2008, “I don’t know if it’s tabanca they have, that’s why they are attacking Udecott.”

The “tabanca” was so bad that Government senators on September 23, 2008, were driven to protecting Hart in the Senate from allegations made by Senator Wade Mark. After he claimed Hart got a cash payment of $27 million on the eve of the 2007 General Election, Government senators, including Hazel Manning and Conrad Enill, voted against extending Mark’s speaking time. That same day, in a written answer to a Parliamentary question, Dick-Forde refused to disclose the contract for the billion-dollar Waterfront project due to a “confidentiality provision.”

Days later, on September 29, 2008, she said, “Udecott has been under full fire for nearly the full year that I have been the minister and despite this my experience remains that Udecott remains among the best performing agencies in the Government.”

The Cabinet provoked further uproar when, in February 2009, it emerged that it had refused to approve fees for the commission of inquiry’s forensic expert Scotsman Gerry McCaffrey.

The proceedings of the commission had by then gotten under way, but there were signs that the State was failing to reign in lawyers working for State enterprises who appeared to have been frustrating the inquiry.

On August 27, 2009, Imbert denied that Udecott was trying to derail the inquiry, even as the company was preparing a series of court challenges against the commissioners. The Udecott board, amidst these legal moves insisted on their legal rights. At the same time, on October 6, 2009, National Security Minister Martin Joseph told the Senate that companies like Udecott would not be captured under new proceeds of crime legislation.

By October 15, 2009, Dick-Forde was once more on the defensive, this time saying, “There is absolutely no evidence that the head of Sunway is the brother- in-law of Calder Hart...I have met various directors of Sunway and I am certain that none of them are the brother-in-law of Calder Hart.”

The minister appeared to have not had at her disposal the public documents which appear to now demonstrate otherwise and which emerged last week.

But most notably, through the entire saga, the Government has made a point of attacking Rowley in the wake of him first raising the Udecott issue.

In addition to allegations of missing millions at the Cleaver Heights housing project in Arima, Manning has attacked Rowley on a personal level. In Parliament on October 22, 2009, as he defended Hart once more, he threw barbs at Rowley. He called him, in mafia Italian, “capo di tutti cappi” or “boss of all bosses”.

But the real boss was the Udecott boss, himself apparently bosom buddies with the boss of all bosses at the Office of the Prime Minister.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: 1-868 on March 11, 2010, 01:15:25 PM
I have relatives who have been living in the US for 30+ years, all professionals, and all talking about returning to T & T..

I studied in the US, and never regretted returning to Trinidad after grad..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W05DLMBmv34
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Controversial on March 11, 2010, 01:42:22 PM
jus cool know the scene, we from the same area, it dont get worse than that, unless you in san paulo or joberg, people just talking for show.

everyone should post which part of trini they grow up or family is from and then we could judge by their repsonses.

in fact we should put up how much of their friends get rob and kill, shot, kidnap.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on March 11, 2010, 02:05:30 PM
jus cool know the scene, we from the same area, it dont get worse than that, unless you in san paulo or joberg, people just talking for show.

everyone should post which part of trini they grow up or family is from and then we could judge by their repsonses.

in fact we should put up how much of their friends get rob and kill, shot, kidnap.

I born in Pashley St Laventille grow up in San Juan went 2 school in San Juan. I go 2 church in Morvant d area where Sean Francis run he racket. 1 of my best yutes was raped/her fther murdered all in d last yr and a 1/2. It was in dat same community dat she was able to get an education which insured she got a degree have a govt home and now a wife and mother of 2 boys. If she was in San Paulo or Joberg would d story end d same.

So TNT far from perfect but we eh no Jberg or S Paulo.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: STEUPS!! on March 11, 2010, 04:18:09 PM
born - second caledonia morvant
moved to another are in morvant. still livin there
most of my family from tobago

was NEVER robbed, shot or kidnapped

freinds/relatives robbed = 0
friends/relatives raped = 0
friends/relatives killed/shot = 0

I give thanks to d Most High for dis all d time

probably if i was livin somewhere else, my story might have been different  :-\
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: just cool on March 11, 2010, 07:53:47 PM
born - second caledonia morvant
moved to another are in morvant. still livin there
most of my family from tobago

was NEVER robbed, shot or kidnapped

freinds/relatives robbed = 0
friends/relatives raped = 0
friends/relatives killed/shot = 0

I give thanks to d Most High for dis all d time

probably if i was livin somewhere else, my story might have been different  :-\
Born in POS general. raised between laventille and EDR, went to school for ah while in town before migrating, came back and went to school in belmont amongst real bad fellas.
run east dry river and laventille, know it like the palm of meh hand.

friends and relatives robbed = every one of my square breddren @ one time or the other got robbed, some multiple times, coupple of relatives too.

friends and relatives raped = three.
friends and relatives shot and survive. = lemme see= big boy, slick rick, titus, crabby, and meh nutsman breddren( don't want tuh call his name).
friends and family shot and killed.= TH. JH. PH AH. DS, MD, FT, BW, CT, RM, BT, KZ, KP, PD, NK.  and i sure i forgot ah few. 

 i  also give thanks and praise to the highest for saving and preserving the good friends and relatives we still have with us.

yuh ever hear the saying, go poor luck eh see poor luck? trinidad bad no arse, and ppl doh want tuh come back and live in ah society where they can't even trust the police, where every lil snat nose punk could pose ah serious threat to law abiding citizens, including yuh self and yuh love ones. who needs that??

not even the police safe. look here. = http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161605920
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: just cool on March 11, 2010, 08:01:57 PM
jus cool know the scene, we from the same area, it dont get worse than that, unless you in san paulo or joberg, people just talking for show.

everyone should post which part of trini they grow up or family is from and then we could judge by their repsonses.

in fact we should put up how much of their friends get rob and kill, shot, kidnap.

I born in Pashley St Laventille grow up in San Juan went 2 school in San Juan. I go 2 church in Morvant d area where Sean Francis run he racket. 1 of my best yutes was raped/her fther murdered all in d last yr and a 1/2. It was in dat same community dat she was able to get an education which insured she got a degree have a govt home and now a wife and mother of 2 boys. If she was in San Paulo or Joberg would d story end d same.

So TNT far from perfect but we eh no Jberg or S Paulo.
WE eh no denmak or wimipeg either!! trinidadians eh have no forkin shame nah, the place out ah controll and they talkin bout, we eh so bad, when it forkin bad no arse!!!

seems like ppl cyar say nothing critical about there now, BC the forum police will be there tuh set us fresh water loud mouths straight.

but doh worry, iz only ah matter of time till the filth come crawling up to allyuh door step. keep livin in denial.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Deeks on March 11, 2010, 08:45:19 PM
Just Cool,
               I live in EDR for 6 yrs. From 71 to 77.One of the best time of my life.  East of the DR was always rough. But they also had bright people. Honest people. I could have walked any hour of the day or night to the Hill to Nelson street to Gonzales, St Francois Valley rd, Belmont valley road, La Cour harp. Pashley street.  No problem. None of my family ever get molested, threatened or shot(fingers crossed, please Father). But now. It BAD. I agree with JC. From up here in foreign it appears locals in denial. I still can't digest some KILLERS can MURDER a family of 4 including the children in Gonzales, and it appears that TT taking it in stride. That is the norm. I can't deal with that. Sorry if I appear to be a bourgeois now.

It APPEARS to me that the current admin.(Patrick) shows no empathy for the victims of unwanted vicious crime. That socalled born again. You is PM, not a ....... priest. You supposed to take charge and show the nation that you care. All you care is about your appearances on the world stage. An the real SAD part it is your(PNM) constituency, where the bulk of these murders are taking place and you appears not to give a .............

JC only the black people in denial.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on March 12, 2010, 12:54:34 AM
Just Cool,
               I live in EDR for 6 yrs. From 71 to 77.One of the best time of my life.  East of the DR was always rough. But they also had bright people. Honest people. I could have walked any hour of the day or night to the Hill to Nelson street to Gonzales, St Francois Valley rd, Belmont valley road, La Cour harp. Pashley street.  No problem. None of my family ever get molested, threatened or shot(fingers crossed, please Father). But now. It BAD. I agree with JC. From up here in foreign it appears locals in denial. I still can't digest some KILLERS can MURDER a family of 4 including the children in Gonzales, and it appears that TT taking it in stride. That is the norm. I can't deal with that. Sorry if I appear to be a bourgeois now.

It APPEARS to me that the current admin.(Patrick) shows no empathy for the victims of unwanted vicious crime. That socalled born again. You is PM, not a ....... priest. You supposed to take charge and show the nation that you care. All you care is about your appearances on the world stage. An the real SAD part it is your(PNM) constituency, where the bulk of these murders are taking place and you appears not to give a .............

JC only the black people in denial.

Are u aware that there is a victim support uunit where victims of crime is being compensated up 2 $25,000? As 4 we not being Winnepeg neva said we were but we were being called Joberg. How we in denial if we livin here and people we know gettin kill. We eh say it is an acceptable situation but if Steups livin Morvant and nutten eh happen 2 she and she family she in denial.

The reality is dem yutes who gettin gun down is bandit soo once yuh eh a bandit yuh probability of being alive is as good as anywhere else. So all stay up north and leave we in we mess.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: just cool on March 12, 2010, 02:32:30 AM
Just Cool,
               I live in EDR for 6 yrs. From 71 to 77.One of the best time of my life.  East of the DR was always rough. But they also had bright people. Honest people. I could have walked any hour of the day or night to the Hill to Nelson street to Gonzales, St Francois Valley rd, Belmont valley road, La Cour harp. Pashley street.  No problem. None of my family ever get molested, threatened or shot(fingers crossed, please Father). But now. It BAD. I agree with JC. From up here in foreign it appears locals in denial. I still can't digest some KILLERS can MURDER a family of 4 including the children in Gonzales, and it appears that TT taking it in stride. That is the norm. I can't deal with that. Sorry if I appear to be a bourgeois now.

It APPEARS to me that the current admin.(Patrick) shows no empathy for the victims of unwanted vicious crime. That socalled born again. You is PM, not a ....... priest. You supposed to take charge and show the nation that you care. All you care is about your appearances on the world stage. An the real SAD part it is your(PNM) constituency, where the bulk of these murders are taking place and you appears not to give a .............

JC only the black people in denial.

Are u aware that there is a victim support uunit where victims of crime is being compensated up 2 $25,000? As 4 we not being Winnepeg neva said we were but we were being called Joberg. How we in denial if we livin here and people we know gettin kill. We eh say it is an acceptable situation but if Steups livin Morvant and nutten eh happen 2 she and she family she in denial.

The reality is dem yutes who gettin gun down is bandit soo once yuh eh a bandit yuh probability of being alive is as good as anywhere else. So all stay up north and leave we in we mess.
Every thing you typed was filled wid emotional hang ups! i'm not saying that there are no ppl who are un-scathe by crime, i would never be so simple.

 there is such ah thing, BC there are ppl who never had ah solitary bad experience wid crime and criminals, but for every one, there are two or three who would say that crime has come to their door step, even those who reside in a good neighborhoods or a gated community.

my beef with crime in TNT is the random nature therof! ah fella could leave his yard tuh work and fall into a life altering crime situation without ever being involved or even knowing one solitary criminal, it's that easy in trinidad.

as for only bandit getting killed / gunned down is utter rubbish!!! as ah matter of fact, most of the violent crime committed in trinidad over the past few yrs were random in nature.

man lose they life over an argument with a total stranger, woman get gun down buying CD's, man killin they woman over domestic dispute, lil girl gets somdomized and killed, fella coming from work and get shot BC he was working in the wrong neighborhood! and there are manny more incidents like that, but it would take all night tuh post.

ah guess the police fella and his friend who was killed in troumaque was bandits or gang bangers?
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on March 12, 2010, 08:24:42 AM
Just Cool,
               I live in EDR for 6 yrs. From 71 to 77.One of the best time of my life.  East of the DR was always rough. But they also had bright people. Honest people. I could have walked any hour of the day or night to the Hill to Nelson street to Gonzales, St Francois Valley rd, Belmont valley road, La Cour harp. Pashley street.  No problem. None of my family ever get molested, threatened or shot(fingers crossed, please Father). But now. It BAD. I agree with JC. From up here in foreign it appears locals in denial. I still can't digest some KILLERS can MURDER a family of 4 including the children in Gonzales, and it appears that TT taking it in stride. That is the norm. I can't deal with that. Sorry if I appear to be a bourgeois now.

It APPEARS to me that the current admin.(Patrick) shows no empathy for the victims of unwanted vicious crime. That socalled born again. You is PM, not a ....... priest. You supposed to take charge and show the nation that you care. All you care is about your appearances on the world stage. An the real SAD part it is your(PNM) constituency, where the bulk of these murders are taking place and you appears not to give a .............

JC only the black people in denial.

Are u aware that there is a victim support uunit where victims of crime is being compensated up 2 $25,000? As 4 we not being Winnepeg neva said we were but we were being called Joberg. How we in denial if we livin here and people we know gettin kill. We eh say it is an acceptable situation but if Steups livin Morvant and nutten eh happen 2 she and she family she in denial.

The reality is dem yutes who gettin gun down is bandit soo once yuh eh a bandit yuh probability of being alive is as good as anywhere else. So all stay up north and leave we in we mess.
Every thing you typed was filled wid emotional hang ups! i'm not saying that there are no ppl who are un-scathe by crime, i would never be so simple.

 there is such ah thing, BC there are ppl who never had ah solitary bad experience wid crime and criminals, but for every one, there are two or three who would say that crime has come to their door step, even those who reside in a good neighborhoods or a gated community.

my beef with crime in TNT is the random nature therof! ah fella could leave his yard tuh work and fall into a life altering crime situation without ever being involved or even knowing one solitary criminal, it's that easy in trinidad.

as for only bandit getting killed / gunned down is utter rubbish!!! as ah matter of fact, most of the violent crime committed in trinidad over the past few yrs were random in nature.

man lose they life over an argument with a total stranger, woman get gun down buying CD's, man killin they woman over domestic dispute, lil girl gets somdomized and killed, fella coming from work and get shot BC he was working in the wrong neighborhood! and there are manny more incidents like that, but it would take all night tuh post.

ah guess the police fella and his friend who was killed in troumaque was bandits or gang bangers?

Apperently u d not understand the meaning of the world majority.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: ribbit on March 12, 2010, 12:48:42 PM
agree with deeks - plenty ostrich-like behaviour in t&t.

in fact we should put up how much of their friends get rob and kill, shot, kidnap.

in t&t, my friends/family have experienced ALL of de above. where i am now, de worst is petty theft.

a next item is healthcare. friends/family of mine have had their life ended or shortened by healthcare in t&t. the healthcare where i am now have added DECADES of good quality life to my friends/family - if they hadda stay in t&t they woulda dead.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: just cool on March 12, 2010, 04:00:52 PM
Weary, there's no mention of the word " MAJORITY" in your post, so don't try tuh recover an already captured statement. here what you said in bolded red letters.

Just Cool,
               I live in EDR for 6 yrs. From 71 to 77.One of the best time of my life.  East of the DR was always rough. But they also had bright people. Honest people. I could have walked any hour of the day or night to the Hill to Nelson street to Gonzales, St Francois Valley rd, Belmont valley road, La Cour harp. Pashley street.  No problem. None of my family ever get molested, threatened or shot(fingers crossed, please Father). But now. It BAD. I agree with JC. From up here in foreign it appears locals in denial. I still can't digest some KILLERS can MURDER a family of 4 including the children in Gonzales, and it appears that TT taking it in stride. That is the norm. I can't deal with that. Sorry if I appear to be a bourgeois now.

It APPEARS to me that the current admin.(Patrick) shows no empathy for the victims of unwanted vicious crime. That socalled born again. You is PM, not a ....... priest. You supposed to take charge and show the nation that you care. All you care is about your appearances on the world stage. An the real SAD part it is your(PNM) constituency, where the bulk of these murders are taking place and you appears not to give a .............

JC only the black people in denial.

Are u aware that there is a victim support uunit where victims of crime is being compensated up 2 $25,000? As 4 we not being Winnepeg neva said we were but we were being called Joberg. How we in denial if we livin here and people we know gettin kill. We eh say it is an acceptable situation but if Steups livin Morvant and nutten eh happen 2 she and she family she in denial.

The reality is dem yutes who gettin gun down is bandit soo once yuh eh a bandit yuh probability of being alive is as good as anywhere else. So all stay up north and leave we in we mess.
So what sayest you now? there was no "MAJORITY "IN YOUR STATEMENT! yuh just painting wid ah broad brush hoping no one would notice. remember , i does be in trini, and i does see and get all the news of what taking place on the rock, so i'm very much in the know, maybe more than you.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: fishs on March 14, 2010, 07:44:12 AM

 Ah home now kinda unemployed so ah liming as usual.
 
 The following happen in the space of 3 days.

 Friday I was supposed to meet 2 friends by Dons in the valley for legal limit drinks but when I reached the road was full of cars and I decide to move the lime to Darren's down the road. One of my friends was there already so he had to drive down to Darren's when he reach the frist thing he tell mih is that trinis too full of hate. What happened is when he went to his car a man and woman were talking next to his car and they had put thier food on his trunk so he tell them he leaving and they should remove the food then he went in the car and start it , the man get vex and tell him he willbuss he effing windscreen and then shoot him if he let the food fall. Imagine that!

Saturday I parking mih car by Steve's in St James and a Hilux in a big hurry decide to rush past mih whilst I backing into the spot and brush mih car. The driver just continue on and to top it off wind down he window and flip the sign at mih, my car only get a small scratch so I ent bother although it almost make me go over the leagl alcohol limit.

Today I went Hi Lo to get bread and some liqour because I decide ah should do more limimg home it have 2 traffic lights for mih to pass to get there, I count no fewer than 6 cars that blatantly run the red lights.


Now this is on the road, these people may not be bandits and more than likely are just citizen joes but it just goes to show the kind off uncontrollable lawlessness that we desending into , police cant be everywhere and people have to be disciplined but this have to be one of the most indisciplined countries in the world.

Man and woman in here that putting they head in the sand are also part of the problem.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: davyjenny1 on March 14, 2010, 12:07:40 PM

 Ah home now kinda unemployed so ah liming as usual.
 
 The following happen in the space of 3 days.

 Friday I was supposed to meet 2 friends by Dons in the valley for legal limit drinks but when I reached the road was full of cars and I decide to move the lime to Darren's down the road. One of my friends was there already so he had to drive down to Darren's when he reach the frist thing he tell mih is that trinis too full of hate. What happened is when he went to his car a man and woman were talking next to his car and they had put thier food on his trunk so he tell them he leaving and they should remove the food then he went in the car and start it , the man get vex and tell him he willbuss he effing windscreen and then shoot him if he let the food fall. Imagine that!

Saturday I parking mih car by Steve's in St James and a Hilux in a big hurry decide to rush past mih whilst I backing into the spot and brush mih car. The driver just continue on and to top it off wind down he window and flip the sign at mih, my car only get a small scratch so I ent bother although it almost make me go over the leagl alcohol limit.

Today I went Hi Lo to get bread and some liqour because I decide ah should do more limimg home it have 2 traffic lights for mih to pass to get there, I count no fewer than 6 cars that blatantly run the red lights.


Now this is on the road, these people may not be bandits and more than likely are just citizen joes but it just goes to show the kind off uncontrollable lawlessness that we desending into , police cant be everywhere and people have to be disciplined but this have to be one of the most indisciplined countries in the world.

Man and woman in here that putting they head in the sand are also part of the problem.

where yuh get that phrase from boi?
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: elan on March 14, 2010, 01:07:53 PM
agree with deeks - plenty ostrich-like behaviour in t&t.

in fact we should put up how much of their friends get rob and kill, shot, kidnap.

in t&t, my friends/family have experienced ALL of de above. where i am now, de worst is petty theft.

a next item is healthcare. friends/family of mine have had their life ended or shortened by healthcare in t&t. the healthcare where i am now have added DECADES of good quality life to my friends/family - if they hadda stay in t&t they woulda dead.

Just as you are paying for that health care where you are you can do that in T&T. My sister called me a couple years ago and told me my dad get some pain in his chest and he gone to the hospital (SanDo). By the time I call back he done see the doctor on the ward get tests done and awaiting result. I don'r even think he spent the night.

Went to the hospital here in the states to pick up a friend and there was a woman waiting (looking real splendid). Eventually we started talking and she told me that was the 2nd hospital she had been to and had not seen a doctor. The 1st one she waited about 3 hours and this one she had already waited 45 minutes. She said at the 1st there was a guy bleeding and he was waiting for over 1/2 hour.

Two days ago my mom called and said how one of our friend here in the US is on life support. She was having her baby and went into a coma and they did not put her on any Oygen. They cut her and took the baby and 2 hours after they still had not put her on oxygen. They finally placed her on oxygen and now she is on life support with no chance of recovering ( she is basically dead already).

My daughter went to the Doctor who sent her to get a lung Xray to see if she had pnuemonia. They never called with the results. We happened to get an appoiuntment wrong and went back to the doctor. We ask them what about the results and they replied )"oh yeah, she's okay."

A friend of our son had a wreck a couple years ago and other people were on the scene and not one person helped him. He was in the car calling ou to them to help him and not one person lifted a finger. By the time the EMT response got there and got him out he was dead.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: fishs on March 14, 2010, 01:56:19 PM

 Man and woman in here that putting they head in the sand are also part of the problem.

where yuh get that phrase from boi?

I going Algeria and work later this year in the middle of the Sahara .... so I guess I got sand on mih mind.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Controversial on March 14, 2010, 02:55:53 PM
my grandmother just came back from a funeral home, spent most of her time in the edr, every night she goes to sleep with gun shots, during the night is gunshots and also in the early morning hours, tactical or no tactical, the plannings hot 24/7 on upper and lower nelson, up the hill is the same, duncan and prince just as bad, in fact man dont even go over in the plannings on some days coz is real pace.

so i dont know what people are talking about, take a trip up to curepe and st augustine, in the back by the ZONE, everyday man getting it in the back dey, my friend survived to tell, he padnah wasnt so lucky,st joseph is different now and i could continue going all the way to arima where i also have alot of family.

thank God for life and my family's life bc some people not living in the worst part of town or have family there for donkey years, this is not the 70s nor is it north america
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: just cool on March 14, 2010, 04:18:14 PM

doh mind dem nah fish! like yuh said, ppl have their heads embedded in the sewer! fuss dey in denial. ah few yrs aback i went to ah bar in st anns, i eh go call the name of the place. i was backin up tuh leave the parking lot when ah wild man taxi pull up behind meh, he jump out his car and started cussin and carring on, i then told the fella ,  "yow , i eh even touch yuh ride bro," as ah matter of fact it was him who was irresponsible on that drive.

dude came out his car with one leg still inside the vehicle talking all kinda gun talk, i told dude i eh here for dat, and he should take his demon elsewhere, the man then pull ah revolver from nowhere and ask me tuh repeat meh self again.

as yuh know i ate humble pie that night, barely escaping wid meh life. funny how the world small eh, one of my terrible gun men now deceased cousins and i went down st james for ah roti and ran into the same taxi driver, i told meh cousin what dude did tuh me earlier in the week, and meh cousin board him. every body knew my primo was ah wicked gun man so mr bad man taxi driver apologized wit ah quickness, which really wasn't necessary, i just wanted tuh turn the table on him so he could experience the same vulnerable feelin.

but fish yuh right wid every thing yuh said. the place full ah imps and lawless ppl! i had a few bad experiences just droping in and out of TNT, and i does tell ppl," i feel 100% safer in NYC than smack in the middle of the police barrack!"

too much guns in the wrong hands in dat place, and ppl not afraid tuh use it. unlike here in NYC where ah fella would think twice, or where ah simple apology would suffice, down there fellas just too forkin trigger happy for me, and want tuh experience what it's like just tuh shoot someone.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: just cool on March 14, 2010, 04:46:41 PM
my grandmother just came back from a funeral home, spent most of her time in the edr, every night she goes to sleep with gun shots, during the night is gunshots and also in the early morning hours, tactical or no tactical, the plannings hot 24/7 on upper and lower nelson, up the hill is the same, duncan and prince just as bad, in fact man dont even go over in the plannings on some days coz is real pace.

so i dont know what people are talking about, take a trip up to curepe and st augustine, in the back by the ZONE, everyday man getting it in the back dey, my friend survived to tell, he padnah wasnt so lucky,st joseph is different now and i could continue going all the way to arima where i also have alot of family.

thank God for life and my family's life bc some people not living in the worst part of town or have family there for donkey years, this is not the 70s nor is it north america
Doh mind dem TI, right in my old neighborhood fellas does be passin wid they big gun in dey hand in broad day light! in dey forkin hand! not concealed! in dey doggone hand!!

every night iz gun shots, ppl cyar sleep, and another thing i heard is that fellas just kickin down ppl door @ night and coming in their house either tuh rob or kill.

laventille, sealots, betham, jj, picton, never dirty, vagas, malick, belmont valley road, gonzales, quarry st, st john street, chafford, dondonald hill, laventille road (sanjuan), mightower, mt door,covien, nelson street, duncun st, mango rose, barth st, basilon st, just tuh name ah few. just ask them ppl if trinidad safe and then wait for the reply.

ppl who talkin dat eh livin in no hot spot.

now i not saying that NYC is ah paradise and crime don't occur here, NYC was real bad @ one time, and ppl had watch out, but it wasn't as brazen and the criminals had some dignity about the way they commited crime, them ting doh happen here like that no mo!

TNT have the highest rape stats in the caribbean, and the highest kidnappin stats as well, so how could anyone compare there with here, when yuh can't even drive for two blocks without ah seat belt here, that's how on top of things the police are. lawlessness iz no longer tolerated here!


PS: iz chadee your family? they live right on the corner of piccadilly and jackson hill.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Controversial on March 14, 2010, 08:05:35 PM
tt is worse than ever in my opinion but alot of people dont want to admit it bc of their affiliations and pride. but say wha, thats them, i always choose to deal with the reality of the situation especially where my family is from.

jc were on picadilly but chadee is not my family though. check yuh pm
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: truetrini on March 15, 2010, 10:30:41 AM
How come all dem areas you call JC is mainly like 99% black people how come de indian areas eh so?

and ah real like de part about how de criminals had dignity about dey criminal activity..lol

yuh is ah real kicks man oui.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: just cool on March 15, 2010, 06:16:26 PM
How come all dem areas you call JC is mainly like 99% black people how come de indian areas eh so?

and ah real like de part about how de criminals had dignity about dey criminal activity..lol

yuh is ah real kicks man oui.
You know the answer tuh dat! them neighborhoods wasn't always like that, as ah matter of fact, iz dem neighborhoods who put trinidad and tobago on the map!

steel pan came from there,the best of carnival and mass came from there, our cultural and musical expressions for the most part came from there, as well as many sports figures.

the problem iz, the government abandon those areas ah long time ago, allowing crack tuh permeate in those areas together with a lack of opportunities.

another thing, indians , chinese and syrians, never had tuh deal wid what we had tuh deal with as ah ppl. i remember my grandmother had tuh struggle to earn 5 chillings ah week, they lived in ah small one room house in basilon street, when she died, she left her kids with zilch!!!

they in turn had tuh struggle just to get by. my mudda told me that she and her brothers went to school bare foot, and many nights they went to sleep hungry as all hell, and yuh want tuh know something funny? this was almost the norm amongst the ppl in these areas, extreme poverty!

don't forget, indians and chinese ppl came here with their culture, they also had money tuh buy land no matter how little it was. the ppl who had it real hard was the Amerindians and the former slaves, the british eh give them as much ah ah possey tuh piss in, that's how heartless and cold them colonial masters was.

if you believe that black ppl doh want nothing good, then what yuh actually saying iz, we are genetically predisposed tuh crime, then yuh opening up ah whole new pandora's box! which would excuse colonialism and slavery's role in this, as well as ah lack of culture and family structure, which was taken away from african ppl the day they braced these shores.

this is ah social problem, and nothing more. yuh take away family structure, cultural expressions, language, land, and what are you left with? chaos and i'll behavior!

just look @ the africans who come here with the exception of some nigerian crooks, they are hard working highly ambitious studious ppl with ah high level of education, they totally out do their breddren in the african diaspora in terms of academic achievements and structure.

another example is the maroons of jamaica especially accompong town. they are basically a community of black ppl who happened to retain some of their culture, and was isolated from the fangs of the colonial british. they have a very peaceful existence, they work hard and farm the land, their community is also free from the poverty and crime that plagued the rest of the black demographic on the island, with one murder in 271 yrs.

so i guess the indians had the same kind of advantages the maroon and our african brothers have, which is true community and culture.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Sando prince on March 15, 2010, 06:25:26 PM
just cool not here to debate or argue with your posts but most of the indentured workers (indians you referring to in yuh last post) did not come to T&T with "money" (like you said)..

they even worked for minimum wages in the cane fields and settled in the most rural parts of of Trinidad..
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: STEUPS!! on March 15, 2010, 06:38:45 PM
How come all dem areas you call JC is mainly like 99% black people how come de indian areas eh so?

and ah real like de part about how de criminals had dignity about dey criminal activity..lol

yuh is ah real kicks man oui.

this is ah social problem, and nothing more. yuh take away family structure, cultural expressions, language, land, and what are you left with? chaos and i'll behavior!

totally agree wid dis statement breds!
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: che on March 15, 2010, 06:45:16 PM
just cool not here to debate or argue with your posts but most of the indentured workers (indians you referring to in yuh last post) did not come to T&T with "money" (like you said)..

they even worked for minimum wages in the cane fields and settled in the most rural parts of of Trinidad..

My grandmother said that her father was not allowed to have a hindi wedding. Back in the day it was illegal . Most indentured workers were treated very badly. and they had very little money.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Sando prince on March 15, 2010, 06:49:30 PM
just cool not here to debate or argue with your posts but most of the indentured workers (indians you referring to in yuh last post) did not come to T&T with "money" (like you said)..

they even worked for minimum wages in the cane fields and settled in the most rural parts of of Trinidad..

My grandmother said that her father was not allowed to have a hindi wedding. Back in the day it was illegal . Most indentured workers were treated very badly. and they had very little money.

I know..Trinis who know their country history well, would know the hardships that different races in T&T had to endure back in those colonist times..but obviously we have progressed and hopefully we can progress further as Trinbagonians. I dont mind talking and learning about different aspects/elements/cultural blends that made my country unique today..
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: just cool on March 15, 2010, 06:56:09 PM
just cool not here to debate or argue with your posts but most of the indentured workers (indians you referring to in yuh last post) did not come to T&T with "money" (like you said)..

they even worked for minimum wages in the cane fields and settled in the most rural parts of of Trinidad..
Bredder, if yuh don't have money, then yuh cyar buy nothing! east indians came here as indentured workers, in other words, they worked and got paid however little it was.

have you ever read the history of trinidad and tobago? well i did! black ppl was even allowed reparations, but never recieved it up till this day. indians and chinese on the other hand after leaving the barracks were given land tuh settle on.

most african left the plantations after the abolition and came to urban areas seeking employment, while most indians on the other hand stayed in rural areas BC they had land tuh farm that was afforded them by the crown.

very few black ppl owned land, and very few black ppl were given any compensation( reparation) that's why there are some well to do blacks, while most have struggled to survive.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Sando prince on March 15, 2010, 07:03:19 PM
just cool not here to debate or argue with your posts but most of the indentured workers (indians you referring to in yuh last post) did not come to T&T with "money" (like you said)..

they even worked for minimum wages in the cane fields and settled in the most rural parts of of Trinidad..
Bredder, if yuh don't have money, then yuh cyar buy nothing! east indians came here as indentured workers, in other words, they worked and got paid however little it was.

have you ever read the history of trinidad and tobago? well i did! black ppl was even allowed reparations, but never recieved it up till this day. indians and chinese on the other hand after leaving the barracks were given land tuh settle on.



That is not what you said in your last post. and I am not debating anything about Black, or Chinese or white so i didnt read the rest. You probably just did not write what you meant correctly in your last post..You said indians and chinese came to T&T with "money"..and that is what i corrected..(specifically about indians)
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: just cool on March 15, 2010, 07:06:14 PM
just cool not here to debate or argue with your posts but most of the indentured workers (indians you referring to in yuh last post) did not come to T&T with "money" (like you said)..

they even worked for minimum wages in the cane fields and settled in the most rural parts of of Trinidad..

My grandmother said that her father was not allowed to have a hindi wedding. Back in the day it was illegal . Most indentured workers were treated very badly. and they had very little money.

I know..Trinis who know their country history well, would know the hardships that different races in T&T had to endure back in those colonist times..but obviously we have progressed and hopefully we can progress further as Trinbagonians. I dont mind talking and learning about different aspects/elements/cultural blends that made my country unique today..
Then get ah copy of the history of the ppl of TNT by DR eric williams, also british historians and the west indies, both by dr williams.  

BTW breds, no body eh saying indians had it easy, it's just that africans were rendered cultureless, landless languageless, pennyless and structureless, in other words, we were up sh!t creek without ah canoe, fack ah paddle.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Sando prince on March 15, 2010, 07:08:46 PM
just cool not here to debate or argue with your posts but most of the indentured workers (indians you referring to in yuh last post) did not come to T&T with "money" (like you said)..

they even worked for minimum wages in the cane fields and settled in the most rural parts of of Trinidad..

My grandmother said that her father was not allowed to have a hindi wedding. Back in the day it was illegal . Most indentured workers were treated very badly. and they had very little money.

I know..Trinis who know their country history well, would know the hardships that different races in T&T had to endure back in those colonist times..but obviously we have progressed and hopefully we can progress further as Trinbagonians. I dont mind talking and learning about different aspects/elements/cultural blends that made my country unique today..
Then get ah copy of the history of the ppl of TNT by DR eric williams, also british historians and the west indies, both by dr williams.  

BTW breds, no body eh saying indians had it easy, it's just that africans were rendered cultureless, landless languageless, pennyless and structureless, in other words, we were up sh!t creek without ah canoe, fack ah paddle.

.where did you get all this in any of my posts ??..and when did I mention anything about africans or even whites when correcting you ?? you are a confusing individual..do you think someone is competing "for who had it worse" prize ??
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: just cool on March 15, 2010, 07:35:25 PM
just cool not here to debate or argue with your posts but most of the indentured workers (indians you referring to in yuh last post) did not come to T&T with "money" (like you said)..

they even worked for minimum wages in the cane fields and settled in the most rural parts of of Trinidad..
Bredder, if yuh don't have money, then yuh cyar buy nothing! east indians came here as indentured workers, in other words, they worked and got paid however little it was.

have you ever read the history of trinidad and tobago? well i did! black ppl was even allowed reparations, but never received it up till this day. indians and chinese on the other hand after leaving the barracks were given land tuh settle on.



That is not what you said in your last post. and I am not debating anything about Black, or Chinese or white so i didnt read the rest. You probably just did not write what you meant correctly in your last post..You said indians and chinese came to T&T with "money"..and that is what i corrected..
Well read the rest nah, before yuh jump out the window! as for me saying indians and chinese came here with money, you must be drinking pinesol?? i said and i quote" don't forget, indians and chinese ppl came here with their culture," commer! my next statement was " they also had money to buy land no matter how little it was" end quote! didn't they work for money in the canefields? so yeh they got paid for their labor , and they bought land, plus land was afforded them by the crown. what part of that didn't you understand!

BTW , yuh can't in ah million yrs compare the african experience with the indian, chinese or portuguese experience! we were stolen and forced to work for free for almost 400 yrs, talk about being treated badly, what! yuh think the british was giving us preferential treatment while indians was dumped on.

 did indians get licks tuh work in the hot sun, was your names taken away for english names? did they sell indians from up under their parents like puppies ? was indian men and women banned from having families? all this talk about not being able tuh have ah hindi wedding, we were not even allowed tuh marry. all other ppls came here on their own, they got paid, and coulda leave and go back to their homeland anytime they wanted.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: just cool on March 15, 2010, 07:39:07 PM
just cool not here to debate or argue with your posts but most of the indentured workers (indians you referring to in yuh last post) did not come to T&T with "money" (like you said)..

they even worked for minimum wages in the cane fields and settled in the most rural parts of of Trinidad..

My grandmother said that her father was not allowed to have a hindi wedding. Back in the day it was illegal . Most indentured workers were treated very badly. and they had very little money.

I know..Trinis who know their country history well, would know the hardships that different races in T&T had to endure back in those colonist times..but obviously we have progressed and hopefully we can progress further as Trinbagonians. I dont mind talking and learning about different aspects/elements/cultural blends that made my country unique today..
Then get ah copy of the history of the ppl of TNT by DR eric williams, also british historians and the west indies, both by dr williams.  

BTW breds, no body eh saying indians had it easy, it's just that africans were rendered cultureless, landless languageless, pennyless and structureless, in other words, we were up sh!t creek without ah canoe, fack ah paddle.

.where did you get all this in any of my posts ??..and when did I mention anything about africans or even whites when correcting you ?? you are a confusing individual..do you think someone is competing "for who had it worse" prize ??
So with that i dun the talk wid you mister. have ah nice night.                         positive.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: just cool on March 15, 2010, 07:49:05 PM
just cool not here to debate or argue with your posts but most of the indentured workers (indians you referring to in yuh last post) did not come to T&T with "money" (like you said)..

they even worked for minimum wages in the cane fields and settled in the most rural parts of of Trinidad..
Bredder, if yuh don't have money, then yuh cyar buy nothing! east indians came here as indentured workers, in other words, they worked and got paid however little it was.

have you ever read the history of trinidad and tobago? well i did! black ppl was even allowed reparations, but never received it up till this day. indians and chinese on the other hand after leaving the barracks were given land tuh settle on.



That is not what you said in your last post. and I am not debating anything about Black, or Chinese or white so i didnt read the rest. You probably just did not write what you meant correctly in your last post..You said indians and chinese came to T&T with "money"..and that is what i corrected..
Well read the rest nah, before yuh jump out the window! as for me saying indians and chinese came here with money, you must be drinking pinesol?? i said and i quote" don't forget, indians and chinese ppl came here with their culture," commer! my next statement was " they also had money to buy land no matter how little it was" end quote! didn't they work for money in the canefields? so yeh they got paid for their labor , and they bought land, plus land was afforded them by the crown. what part of that didn't you understand!

BTW , yuh can't in ah million yrs compare the african experience with the indian, chinese or portuguese experience! we were stolen and forced to work for free for almost 400 yrs, talk about being treated badly, what! yuh think the british was giving us preferential treatment while indians was dumped on.

 did indians get licks tuh work in the hot sun, was your names taken away for english names? did they sell indians from up under their parents like puppies ? was indian men and women banned from having families? all this talk about not being able tuh have ah hindi wedding, we were not even allowed tuh marry. all other ppls came here on their own, they got paid, and coulda leave and go back to their homeland anytime they wanted.


you can continue going in circle breds..and you can quit comparing..like you running down some of "who had it worse" prize..I know about my african Trini history...so you not telling me anything new.. I specifically corrected you when you said "indians came here with money" which is an untrue statement..now you trying to twist it with land that was bought with money that was earned after they arrived...however you seem to take my correction personal and then tried to compare it with black Trini history..and i still dont understand why..but go brave bredda  continue to fight it  :beermug:
BATTY HOLE!! I NEVER SAID INDAINS CAME HERE WID MONEY!! I SAID THEY CAME HERE WID THEIR CULTURE!!!! THE NEXT LINE WAS MISSUNDERSTOOD BY YOU AND WHOEVER, SO FACK YUSELVES IF YUH MISSUNDERSTAND ME! I DID USE AH COMER, SO WHAT YUH WANT FROM ME?

AFTER ALL, THAT'S YOUR FAULT FOR NOT UNDERSTANDING ENGLISH PROPERLY!! NOW ALLYUH FACK OFF AND LOWE ME WID THE SMALL TALK! I WAS TALKING TUH TRINITY CROSS AND NOT ALLYUH ANY WAY!!
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Sando prince on March 15, 2010, 07:50:40 PM
 :rotfl: ok Just cool dont kill yuhself..maybe i misunderstood you 
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: FF on March 15, 2010, 08:16:21 PM
for what its worth i interpret it exactly how jus cool explain it

but dat is not even the main point.... ppl lewee doh miss the forest for the trees
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: truetrini on March 15, 2010, 08:53:53 PM
But JC, Indians were marginalized for long periods of our History, and Hindu's in particular were discriminated against.

I remember growing up, the bottom of the ladder were where the indians were!  And firmly so too!

I remember people referring to dem as ole coolies and living in tapia houses made with gobar (cow shit).

How come dem rise to the top, getting all the scholarships etc.

And if all the cultural innovations came from the black areas, that suggests that a new cultural identity was being formed...so why as I asked are there so many black people killing each otehr in the most improvished areas of T&T?

Indians coming doctors, lawyers, engineers, bankers etc, and black people coming killers.

Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: WestCoast on March 15, 2010, 09:05:54 PM
Holders....one is ah Architect and one is ah Actor/Dancer
Griffith...skin specialist
SIR Henry Pierre.......Doctor.......I believe he was the first Doctor knighted in the commonwealth outside Hengland
Eric Williams.....Phd from Oxford
Karl Hudson-Phillips.......educated in Europe
and many many others that I cant recall at this time

It is a sad situation that so much violence is present in some parts of TnT
 
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: truetrini on March 15, 2010, 09:20:22 PM
As I said, Indians were once the mud sill of our society. largely uneducated, cutting cane and drinking puncheon rum, while Blacks were the elite...the names you call are just justification of my assertion and they are well known to me.

Blacks controlled MOST governmental posts and after 1970 many more doors were opened when black power (a term coined by the Trinidad express by the way) crushed a lot of the colonial vestiges that still existed, Country club, Pigeon Point in Tobago bank jobs etc.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: just cool on March 15, 2010, 09:25:25 PM
But JC, Indians were marginalized for long periods of our History, and Hindu's in particular were discriminated against.

I remember growing up, the bottom of the ladder were where the indians were!  And firmly so too!

I remember people referring to dem as ole coolies and living in tapia houses made with gobar (cow shit).

How come dem rise to the top, getting all the scholarships etc.

And if all the cultural innovations came from the black areas, that suggests that a new cultural identity was being formed...so why as I asked are there so many black people killing each otehr in the most improvished areas of T&T?

Indians coming doctors, lawyers, engineers, bankers etc, and black people coming killers.


That's a whole different topic bro. yuh ask ah question, and i gave the most logical sensable answer. the only other explanination would be ah genetic pre disposition to crime (bad seed), and as yuh dun know the black kids in federation park and valsyane  eh committing no kinda crime, so that will be ah serious flaw to that argument.

 and as ah matter of fact, it have black lawyers, doctors, engineers, politicians, and highly skilled proffessionals. hek, we even have ah black chief justice!

the fact iz, yuh need tuh @ least scratch the surface tuh get any where near the the cause.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: truetrini on March 15, 2010, 09:27:08 PM
And West Coast, I did not intend to suggest that presently there are no black lawyers, teachers, doctors etc emerging, I was talking proportionally.

JC from your posting above, the uninitiated may come to the conclusion that Portuguese, the FRENCH, Chinese and THE INDIANS did not play crucial roles in developing T&T Culture.  I am sure that was not your intention though
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: truetrini on March 15, 2010, 09:28:36 PM
But JC, Indians were marginalized for long periods of our History, and Hindu's in particular were discriminated against.

I remember growing up, the bottom of the ladder were where the indians were!  And firmly so too!

I remember people referring to dem as ole coolies and living in tapia houses made with gobar (cow shit).

How come dem rise to the top, getting all the scholarships etc.

And if all the cultural innovations came from the black areas, that suggests that a new cultural identity was being formed...so why as I asked are there so many black people killing each otehr in the most improvished areas of T&T?

Indians coming doctors, lawyers, engineers, bankers etc, and black people coming killers.


That's a whole different topic bro. yuh ask ah question, and i gave the most logical sensable answer. the only other explanination would be ah genetic pre disposition to crime (bad seed), and as yuh dun know the black kids in federation park and valsyane  eh committing no kinda crime, so that will be ah serious flaw to that argument.

 and as ah matter of fact, it have black lawyers, doctors, engineers, politicians, and highly skilled proffessionals. hek, we even have ah black chief justice!

the fact iz, yuh need tuh @ least scratch the surface tuh get any where near the the cause.

Could it be that crime is causing poverty and not poverty causing crime?

I remember when Trinidad was MUCH poorer and we had so little crime.

Maybe we need more macos, with everyone watching everyone, crime should decrease.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: just cool on March 15, 2010, 09:29:57 PM
As I said, Indians were once the mud sill of our society. largely uneducated, cutting cane and drinking puncheon rum, while Blacks were the elite...the names you call are just justification of my assertion and they are well known to me.

Blacks controlled MOST governmental posts and after 1970 many more doors were opened when black power (a term coined by the Trinidad express by the way) crushed a lot of the colonial vestiges that still existed, Country club, Pigeon Point in Tobago bank jobs etc.
In every former slave society had black elites, that's not the issue here! the majority of blacks were poor, and as yuh know, the ppl behind the bridge was worst off than the indians. they were watchmen and five chiling ah week maids and labourers, hek , even dr williams mudda was ah 5 chiling ah wek maid, and she was from sackville st, which was not considered behind the bridge.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: just cool on March 15, 2010, 09:32:45 PM
But JC, Indians were marginalized for long periods of our History, and Hindu's in particular were discriminated against.

I remember growing up, the bottom of the ladder were where the indians were!  And firmly so too!

I remember people referring to dem as ole coolies and living in tapia houses made with gobar (cow shit).

How come dem rise to the top, getting all the scholarships etc.

And if all the cultural innovations came from the black areas, that suggests that a new cultural identity was being formed...so why as I asked are there so many black people killing each otehr in the most improvished areas of T&T?

Indians coming doctors, lawyers, engineers, bankers etc, and black people coming killers.


That's a whole different topic bro. yuh ask ah question, and i gave the most logical sensable answer. the only other explanination would be ah genetic pre disposition to crime (bad seed), and as yuh dun know the black kids in federation park and valsyane  eh committing no kinda crime, so that will be ah serious flaw to that argument.

 and as ah matter of fact, it have black lawyers, doctors, engineers, politicians, and highly skilled proffessionals. hek, we even have ah black chief justice!

the fact iz, yuh need tuh @ least scratch the surface tuh get any where near the the cause.

Could it be that crime is causing poverty and not poverty causing crime?

I remember when Trinidad was MUCH poorer and we had so little crime.

Maybe we need more macos, with everyone watching everyone, crime should decrease.
That's BC the british was on top of things! did you ever here about mr norman swift. well that ernglish man used tuh hang ppl every month without cease, so fellas stayed in line.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: WestCoast on March 15, 2010, 09:35:43 PM
wait nuh allya ent see the movie
Gangs of New York...........? seems that other countries have had troubling times
so having said that
could this era in TnT be a sort of "growing pains" time that has to sorted out one way or the other
that these "Leaders" who run things just flexing their muscles and will eventually bore of this type of behaviour
like getting into a more legal type of business
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: truetrini on March 15, 2010, 10:01:03 PM
As I said, Indians were once the mud sill of our society. largely uneducated, cutting cane and drinking puncheon rum, while Blacks were the elite...the names you call are just justification of my assertion and they are well known to me.

Blacks controlled MOST governmental posts and after 1970 many more doors were opened when black power (a term coined by the Trinidad express by the way) crushed a lot of the colonial vestiges that still existed, Country club, Pigeon Point in Tobago bank jobs etc.
In every former slave society had black elites, that's not the issue here! the majority of blacks were poor, and as yuh know, the ppl behind the bridge was worst off than the indians. they were watchmen and five chiling ah week maids and labourers, hek , even dr williams mudda was ah 5 chiling ah wek maid, and she was from sackville st, which was not considered behind the bridge.

But if the seats of government were all attended by blacks, why not do something to alleviate the poverty?
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: elan on March 15, 2010, 10:04:33 PM
wait nuh allya ent see the movie
Gangs of New York...........? seems that other countries have had troubling times
so having said that
could this era in TnT be a sort of "growing pains" time that has to sorted out one way or the other
that these "Leaders" who run things just flexing their muscles and will eventually bore of this type of behaviour
like getting into a more legal type of business

What you talking about. T&T must remain the same and if it must grow it must grow without any struggles whatsoever. Look at the US, they reach where they are smoothly and only take 234 years on they own to acheive this utopic state. We 48 years old and cannot get it right.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: truetrini on March 15, 2010, 10:12:31 PM
wait nuh allya ent see the movie
Gangs of New York...........? seems that other countries have had troubling times
so having said that
could this era in TnT be a sort of "growing pains" time that has to sorted out one way or the other
that these "Leaders" who run things just flexing their muscles and will eventually bore of this type of behaviour
like getting into a more legal type of business

What you talking about. T&T must remain the same and if it must grow it must grow without any struggles whatsoever. Look at the US, they reach where they are smoothly and only take 234 years on they own to acheive this utopic state. We 48 years old and cannot get it right.

Fella, why can't we use History as a guide and see ALL the mistakes the others made to their utopia state?

Why we have to invent new troubles and copy old ones?  Yuh talking shit!

Growing pains is one thing, rampant crime, inept governance, and malfeasance is another.  The USA copied much of what was good in England and France, then adapted it to their scenario.

We taking much of what was bad and improving it...lol
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: just cool on March 15, 2010, 10:19:22 PM
As I said, Indians were once the mud sill of our society. largely uneducated, cutting cane and drinking puncheon rum, while Blacks were the elite...the names you call are just justification of my assertion and they are well known to me.

Blacks controlled MOST governmental posts and after 1970 many more doors were opened when black power (a term coined by the Trinidad express by the way) crushed a lot of the colonial vestiges that still existed, Country club, Pigeon Point in Tobago bank jobs etc.
In every former slave society had black elites, that's not the issue here! the majority of blacks were poor, and as yuh know, the ppl behind the bridge was worst off than the indians. they were watchmen and five chiling ah week maids and labourers, hek , even dr williams mudda was ah 5 chiling ah wek maid, and she was from sackville st, which was not considered behind the bridge.

But if the seats of government were all attended by blacks, why not do something to alleviate the poverty?
i should ask you that since yuhs ah PNM. BTW Breds, them iz white men in black skin. i used tuh see my great aunt and dem breakin they neck tuh vote for PMN, while the indian and the upity white folks was voting for ULF and ONR, yet under the PNM, those same EDR poor ppl never progressed, instead iz the indians and the whites who got all the government contracts tuh build roads and government housing.

yes mutilal munan, amar, raymond, and wimpey give all their sub contracts to indians and whites, while the poorpers in the ghetto still voted PMN BC they get 10 days gangs tuh run in the hood, and that's about all they got.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: just cool on March 15, 2010, 10:23:55 PM
NJAC was the only party that did anything for black ppl , after the black power up rising , poor less educated black ppl started tuh get better jobs, but before that, poor black was relegated tuh menial jobs.

iz old ppl i used tuh hang with when i was home and i learned a lot of what the island was like before, so if i lying, then is after them, BC i got it directly from the horses mouth.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: WestCoast on March 15, 2010, 10:25:16 PM
wait nuh allya ent see the movie
Gangs of New York...........? seems that other countries have had troubling times
so having said that
could this era in TnT be a sort of "growing pains" time that has to sorted out one way or the other
that these "Leaders" who run things just flexing their muscles and will eventually bore of this type of behaviour
like getting into a more legal type of business

What you talking about. T&T must remain the same and if it must grow it must grow without any struggles whatsoever. Look at the US, they reach where they are smoothly and only take 234 years on they own to acheive this utopic state. We 48 years old and cannot get it right.
so wait the "Civil War" was a game of HopScotch or wha?

That is the most destructive situation that a country can go through
It splits a country, splits communities and splits families
That was NOT an easy time for the us atall

whoops....me thinks you were being sarcastic :D
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: elan on March 15, 2010, 10:28:11 PM
wait nuh allya ent see the movie
Gangs of New York...........? seems that other countries have had troubling times
so having said that
could this era in TnT be a sort of "growing pains" time that has to sorted out one way or the other
that these "Leaders" who run things just flexing their muscles and will eventually bore of this type of behaviour
like getting into a more legal type of business

What you talking about. T&T must remain the same and if it must grow it must grow without any struggles whatsoever. Look at the US, they reach where they are smoothly and only take 234 years on they own to acheive this utopic state. We 48 years old and cannot get it right.

Fella, why can't we use History as a guide and see ALL the mistakes the others made to their utopia state?

Why we have to invent new troubles and copy old ones?  Yuh talking shit!

Growing pains is one thing, rampant crime, inept governance, and malfeasance is another.  The USA copied much of what was good in England and France, then adapted it to their scenario.

We taking much of what was bad and improving it...lol

What if that's our growing pains. NOt everyone grows the same. I not saying it is just took up on a different angle that WC put out there. This is how problem are solved no. Different inputs with different ideas. NO? What you say there might be as real as what WC say. Who knows for sure.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: elan on March 15, 2010, 10:30:37 PM
wait nuh allya ent see the movie
Gangs of New York...........? seems that other countries have had troubling times
so having said that
could this era in TnT be a sort of "growing pains" time that has to sorted out one way or the other
that these "Leaders" who run things just flexing their muscles and will eventually bore of this type of behaviour
like getting into a more legal type of business

What you talking about. T&T must remain the same and if it must grow it must grow without any struggles whatsoever. Look at the US, they reach where they are smoothly and only take 234 years on they own to acheive this utopic state. We 48 years old and cannot get it right.
so wait the "Civil War" was a game of HopScotch or wha?

That is the most insipid situation that a country can go through
It splits a country, splits communities and splits families
That was NOT an easy time for the us atall

whoops....me thinks you were being sarcastic :D

Would the Civil war, the montgomery street protests, or the KKK undertakings be considered crimes on society?
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Quags on March 15, 2010, 10:34:16 PM
PMN always saying the children of today are the leaders of tomorrow ,doh blame them nobody didnt listen.I doh think this could get better for atleast another 2 generations.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: WestCoast on March 15, 2010, 10:36:24 PM
wait nuh allya ent see the movie
Gangs of New York...........? seems that other countries have had troubling times
so having said that
could this era in TnT be a sort of "growing pains" time that has to sorted out one way or the other
that these "Leaders" who run things just flexing their muscles and will eventually bore of this type of behaviour
like getting into a more legal type of business

What you talking about. T&T must remain the same and if it must grow it must grow without any struggles whatsoever. Look at the US, they reach where they are smoothly and only take 234 years on they own to acheive this utopic state. We 48 years old and cannot get it right.
so wait the "Civil War" was a game of HopScotch or wha?

That is the most insipid situation that a country can go through
It splits a country, splits communities and splits families
That was NOT an easy time for the us atall

whoops....me thinks you were being sarcastic :D

Would the Civil war, the montgomery street protests, or the KKK undertakings be considered crimes on society?
Tout bageye :D
they ALL have an affect/effect(boat ah dem) (good or bad) on a Society ;D
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: truetrini on March 15, 2010, 11:03:36 PM
NJAC was the only party that did anything for black ppl , after the black power up rising , poor less educated black ppl started tuh get better jobs, but before that, poor black was relegated tuh menial jobs.

iz old ppl i used tuh hang with when i was home and i learned a lot of what the island was like before, so if i lying, then is after them, BC i got it directly from the horses mouth.

So JC with one fell swoop you just negating the legacy of Eric Williams?   Poor blacks today are still not doing menial jobs alongside poor indians?


Mootilal Moonan and Sammy etc, did have ll the road building contracts wrapped up in &T, but they is the oes who bring in big equipment to do the job, den Neal &Massey did after.

In Trinidad the government and many posteers here too, makes it out that a victim of crime must somehow have been related to crime and so excuses it, rather that tryng to eliminate it. Crime can only survive in Trinidad, the richest country in the region, because the government does not take it seriously enough but tries to excuse it.

Black men mostly to blame for not developing family structures....the drugs and easy money makes the chirren vulnerable to criminal elements
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: just cool on March 16, 2010, 03:16:59 AM
NJAC was the only party that did anything for black ppl , after the black power up rising , poor less educated black ppl started tuh get better jobs, but before that, poor black was relegated tuh menial jobs.

iz old ppl i used tuh hang with when i was home and i learned a lot of what the island was like before, so if i lying, then is after them, BC i got it directly from the horses mouth.

So JC with one fell swoop you just negating the legacy of Eric Williams?   Poor blacks today are still not doing menial jobs alongside poor indians?


Mootilal Moonan and Sammy etc, did have ll the road building contracts wrapped up in &T, but they is the oes who bring in big equipment to do the job, den Neal &Massey did after.

In Trinidad the government and many posteers here too, makes it out that a victim of crime must somehow have been related to crime and so excuses it, rather that tryng to eliminate it. Crime can only survive in Trinidad, the richest country in the region, because the government does not take it seriously enough but tries to excuse it.

Black men mostly to blame for not developing family structures....the drugs and easy money makes the chirren vulnerable to criminal elements

True dat, but who bringin the stuff from columbia and venezuela, not the rich fellas with money tuh bun and contacts up the yingyang? tell meh, if i well tuh do and have paper, would i bother selling drugs on the retail market tuh get caught and imprisoned? breds , is only ah set ah desperate poor ppl selling drugs!

ppl who are highly skilled have no interest in selling drugs on the retail level, they may finance it , but as far as selling it on the streets, that's poor n!gger and spanish from the hood doing dat! not tuh exonerate it , but in order for drugs tuh sell, yuh need desperate ppl wid no viable income and sub standard education.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: truetrini on March 16, 2010, 08:02:33 AM
see I disagree.  You cannot sell what people doh want!  So why dey use drugs in the hood?  Many drug useres out the hood too, I understand, but In the hood...sprangers abound.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Sam on March 16, 2010, 10:55:26 AM
Imagine, meh boy in Arima get catch with a joint (one joint) two months ago and he get 1 year in jail.

What kinda rule is that, no law at all, de people have no rights.

This was his first offence.

Now tell me if that right and killers running de streets and police passing them straight.

Meh boy don't do no wrong except for burning he lil grass after work...

I eh saying he should get away all de time, but one joint man...
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Controversial on March 16, 2010, 12:09:32 PM
its economic, play a blind eye in the ghetto to crime and deteriorating family structures bc of the value of the land, eventually people will leave, die out or get killed, recalim the land and build the metropolis. it happened in new york and is happening
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: truetrini on March 16, 2010, 12:52:32 PM
Sam, any amount of drugs for personal consumption should not even lead to an arrest.  Real criminals out there and the police after a joint...steups/
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Quags on March 16, 2010, 01:07:51 PM
The moral of the story when yah get ah joint smoke it doh f**king keep it .
My partner get ah 4000 fine ,for ah half ah quarter . He say it medicinal .
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: just cool on March 16, 2010, 03:04:12 PM
see I disagree.  You cannot sell what people doh want!  So why dey use drugs in the hood?  Many drug useres out the hood too, I understand, but In the hood...sprangers abound.
Breds, man sprngin every where! in the hood, out the hood, it's just that poor ppl does put their business on the streets.

i remember when i went home in 2002 , my brethren told me nappy died of ah heart attack BC he was sprangin and went and played lawn tennis. everyone who knows, knew that nappy was ah well brought up fella who didn't live in the hood.

as ah matter of fact, he was kinda bouisgy. my point iz, crack is not only ah poor mans game. the rich and the wealthy does defainitly smoke crack, but in the comfort of their living rooms.

i don't think that ah was well thought out statement if you don't mind me saying so.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: truetrini on March 16, 2010, 03:08:45 PM
it was a very well thought out response.  You can find a multitude of sparngers in the hood, and everyone knows that you can find an abundance of the stuff right there too.

My point is using is a choice, and it costly one too.  Yuh eh have food but yuh could sparang.

Yuh cyar mind yuh child but yuh could mind yuh spranging habit?

Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: just cool on March 16, 2010, 03:28:15 PM
it was a very well thought out response.  You can find a multitude of sparngers in the hood, and everyone knows that you can find an abundance of the stuff right there too.

My point is using is a choice, and it costly one too.  Yuh eh have food but yuh could sparang.

Yuh cyar mind yuh child but yuh could mind yuh spranging habit?


Breds yuh getting simply subjective on me, plus yuh all over the place, lets just stay on the topic @ hand. first off i not excusing the sprangers in the hood, but it seems that ppl spend most their time on the fire, and not the cause of the fire it self.

like i said before, i believe man spranging in ah big way all over the island, the only difference iz they the well tuh do might have what it takes tuh maintain their habit without spilling their secret, while the hood rat have tuh steal and committ lewd acts tuh maintain theirs, so one stands out more than the other.

as for ppl smokin and can't feed their family? come on breds, shame on you! when ah person iz ah junky, nothing else matters than to get the next high by any mean nessesary.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Deeks on March 16, 2010, 06:15:40 PM
NJAC was the only party that did anything for black ppl , after the black power up rising , poor less educated black ppl started tuh get better jobs, but before that, poor black was relegated tuh menial jobs.

iz old ppl i used tuh hang with when i was home and i learned a lot of what the island was like before, so if i lying, then is after them, BC i got it directly from the horses mouth.

All yuh must remember that 1970 was 8yrs after the Brits left. Eric in charge tried to bring this "all a we is one society" without rocking the status quo. As a lil boy in st Joseph everything appeared to be normal. My world was from Wasa where I lived to St. Joseph RC. Blacks, Whites, Spanish, Fr. Creole, Portuguese, Indians, Chinese, Douglas(plent, plenty) all coexisting happily. All of us young boys playing together. Going theatre, swimming in the river. Go up the mountain for mango. Any time the trade winds carry the tassa drums. INDIAn WEDDING!!!! we find it. Happiness. The adults, drinking and talking and occasionally partying(carnival, parang, football, cricket, sportsday, harvest day). But the tides of change was taking places all along. Lil children like us did not see that, because adults protecting we from the realities.

The society in term of business/economic was still as pre-independence. The bank have all the whites and fair-skinned ppeople(no malice,please), East Indian always had businesses(supermarket, rumshopss galore and probably 90% of the agriculture. So were chinese and some Portuguese. Blacks had very few business. Seamstress, Tailor,shoemaker, market vendor and any kind ah wuk in the government.

But economically TT was in the doldrums. JA was better off than TT. Tourism and bauxite was king and queen. Most of the oil in TT was depleted. Trouble in the making. BP, Shell and Texaco wanted out. They did not want to invest in off shore. Now,  where the gov't getting money to pay civil servants and sugar and farmers. Al that time black conciousness evolving in a militant form. NJAC with Geddes and them challenge the status quo. We want, black tellers, black carnival queen, black miss TT, etc,etc and BOOM. TT explode.

 People on the whole were migrating to US much more, but the event caused many whites to migrate faster.  For me the events in itself were bitter sweet. The black conciousness of the 70s was enlightening for me and many of the people around, but it made some whites, even close friends very uneasy. I did not show them any malice because they and their parents never, never shown me or our friends any malice. Those whites who remained live thru the 70's and adjusted to the new "world order". Some of their children had the biggest afros in town. imagine me an Afro can't even grow an afro as big as them. i jealous too bad.  But what I go do. I grew to accept my picky head and moved on.

This new f---king generation is uncontrollable. I honestly want to know if they understand black conciousness. to me them doh care about that. That is old people thing. The number 1 priority for them is a gun and fast money. I don not have a solution for them.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: truetrini on March 16, 2010, 07:49:08 PM
it was a very well thought out response.  You can find a multitude of sparngers in the hood, and everyone knows that you can find an abundance of the stuff right there too.

My point is using is a choice, and it costly one too.  Yuh eh have food but yuh could sparang.

Yuh cyar mind yuh child but yuh could mind yuh spranging habit?


Breds yuh getting simply subjective on me, plus yuh all over the place, lets just stay on the topic @ hand. first off i not excusing the sprangers in the hood, but it seems that ppl spend most their time on the fire, and not the cause of the fire it self.

like i said before, i believe man spranging in ah big way all over the island, the only difference iz they the well tuh do might have what it takes tuh maintain their habit without spilling their secret, while the hood rat have tuh steal and committ lewd acts tuh maintain theirs, so one stands out more than the other.

as for ppl smokin and can't feed their family? come on breds, shame on you! when ah person iz ah junky, nothing else matters than to get the next high by any mean nessesary.

You seeing what you want to see!  Spranging is one thing, supplying the sprangers is another.  All the pushers in the hood.
  My treatise was that crime was causing poverty. 
And not the other way around, you seem to disagree with that.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: just cool on March 16, 2010, 09:35:31 PM
it was a very well thought out response.  You can find a multitude of sparngers in the hood, and everyone knows that you can find an abundance of the stuff right there too.

My point is using is a choice, and it costly one too.  Yuh eh have food but yuh could sparang.

Yuh cyar mind yuh child but yuh could mind yuh spranging habit?


Breds yuh getting simply subjective on me, plus yuh all over the place, lets just stay on the topic @ hand. first off i not excusing the sprangers in the hood, but it seems that ppl spend most their time on the fire, and not the cause of the fire it self.

like i said before, i believe man spranging in ah big way all over the island, the only difference iz they the well tuh do might have what it takes tuh maintain their habit without spilling their secret, while the hood rat have tuh steal and committ lewd acts tuh maintain theirs, so one stands out more than the other.

as for ppl smokin and can't feed their family? come on breds, shame on you! when ah person iz ah junky, nothing else matters than to get the next high by any mean nessesary.

You seeing what you want to see!  Spranging is one thing, supplying the sprangers is another.  All the pushers in the hood.
  My treatise was that crime was causing poverty. 
And not the other way around, you seem to disagree with that.
I agree, but i still maintain, poverty for some, and excess wealth for other. but for the most part i eh have no problem wid yuh statement, that crime breads poverty.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: pecan on March 17, 2010, 07:01:43 AM


All yuh must remember that 1970 was 8yrs after the Brits left. Eric in charge tried to bring this "all a we is one society" without rocking the status quo. As a lil boy in st Joseph everything appeared to be normal. My world was from Wasa where I lived to St. Joseph RC. Blacks, Whites, Spanish, Fr. Creole, Portuguese, Indians, Chinese, Douglas(plent, plenty) all coexisting happily. All of us young boys playing together. Going theatre, swimming in the river. Go up the mountain for mango. Any time the trade winds carry the tassa drums. INDIAn WEDDING!!!! we find it. Happiness. The adults, drinking and talking and occasionally partying(carnival, parang, football, cricket, sportsday, harvest day). But the tides of change was taking places all along. Lil children like us did not see that, because adults protecting we from the realities.

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This new f---king generation is uncontrollable. I honestly want to know if they understand black conciousness. to me them doh care about that. That is old people thing. The number 1 priority for them is a gun and fast money. I don not have a solution for them.

nice synopsis . .exactly my memories of growing up in Trini.  I left in '72 and for a long time I dreamed of returning Home.  But what I remember is not the reality today. The likelihood of me returning to live is next to nil.  To visit, yes, but not to live.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: fishs on March 17, 2010, 09:36:50 AM

 Pardner taking a morning walk up Chancellor this morning by himself get cuff up and rob , other people doing the same thing (walking and running) simply move around them and continue on they merry way.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Touches on March 17, 2010, 09:46:02 AM
Yeah it grimy down here...

Say yuh prayers and give them whatever material possession they want.

Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: elan on March 17, 2010, 09:53:48 AM
NJAC was the only party that did anything for black ppl , after the black power up rising , poor less educated black ppl started tuh get better jobs, but before that, poor black was relegated tuh menial jobs.

iz old ppl i used tuh hang with when i was home and i learned a lot of what the island was like before, so if i lying, then is after them, BC i got it directly from the horses mouth.

All yuh must remember that 1970 was 8yrs after the Brits left. Eric in charge tried to bring this "all a we is one society" without rocking the status quo. As a lil boy in st Joseph everything appeared to be normal. My world was from Wasa where I lived to St. Joseph RC. Blacks, Whites, Spanish, Fr. Creole, Portuguese, Indians, Chinese, Douglas(plent, plenty) all coexisting happily. All of us young boys playing together. Going theatre, swimming in the river. Go up the mountain for mango. Any time the trade winds carry the tassa drums. INDIAn WEDDING!!!! we find it. Happiness. The adults, drinking and talking and occasionally partying(carnival, parang, football, cricket, sportsday, harvest day). But the tides of change was taking places all along. Lil children like us did not see that, because adults protecting we from the realities.

The society in term of business/economic was still as pre-independence. The bank have all the whites and fair-skinned ppeople(no malice,please), East Indian always had businesses(supermarket, rumshopss galore and probably 90% of the agriculture. So were chinese and some Portuguese. Blacks had very few business. Seamstress, Tailor,shoemaker, market vendor and any kind ah wuk in the government.

But economically TT was in the doldrums. JA was better off than TT. Tourism and bauxite was king and queen. Most of the oil in TT was depleted. Trouble in the making. BP, Shell and Texaco wanted out. They did not want to invest in off shore. Now,  where the gov't getting money to pay civil servants and sugar and farmers. Al that time black conciousness evolving in a militant form. NJAC with Geddes and them challenge the status quo. We want, black tellers, black carnival queen, black miss TT, etc,etc and BOOM. TT explode.

 People on the whole were migrating to US much more, but the event caused many whites to migrate faster.  For me the events in itself were bitter sweet. The black conciousness of the 70s was enlightening for me and many of the people around, but it made some whites, even close friends very uneasy. I did not show them any malice because they and their parents never, never shown me or our friends any malice. Those whites who remained live thru the 70's and adjusted to the new "world order". Some of their children had the biggest afros in town. imagine me an Afro can't even grow an afro as big as them. i jealous too bad.  But what I go do. I grew to accept my picky head and moved on.

This new f---king generation is uncontrollable. I honestly want to know if they understand black conciousness. to me them doh care about that. That is old people thing. The number 1 priority for them is a gun and fast money. I don not have a solution for them.

Who's to blame for that?
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Peong on March 17, 2010, 10:26:39 AM

 Pardner taking a morning walk up Chancellor this morning by himself get cuff up and rob , other people doing the same thing (walking and running) simply move around them and continue on they merry way.

The part about ppl gettin rob up Chancellor is not new.
Was it at gun point?
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Jumbie on March 17, 2010, 10:40:03 AM
1 word.. responsibility.

Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: fishs on March 17, 2010, 11:36:39 AM

 Pardner taking a morning walk up Chancellor this morning by himself get cuff up and rob , other people doing the same thing (walking and running) simply move around them and continue on they merry way.

The part about ppl gettin rob up Chancellor is not new.
Was it at gun point?


He did not see a gun but the place was busy with people exercising and some even saw the thing happen and walk/run pass.
That is how bad it is now, in the middle of town in broad daylight with hundreds of people around man get murdered, them fellas have no inhibitions now is a kinda dark dark lawlessness that taking over the country.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Peong on March 17, 2010, 12:18:51 PM
I was wonderin if ppl might have thought it was just a fight, not a robbery.
Anyway, ppl does be scared to intervene. I can't blame them, if I see a man gettin distressed I doubt I would do much.
The bandits know they have ample time to get away so they could do ting in broad daylight.
It sad.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: just cool on March 17, 2010, 03:47:21 PM
I was wonderin if ppl might have thought it was just a fight, not a robbery.
Anyway, ppl does be scared to intervene. I can't blame them, if I see a man gettin distressed I doubt I would do much.
The bandits know they have ample time to get away so they could do ting in broad daylight.
It sad.
Yeh , i feel yuh on not getting involved, but the point i think fish iz making, is how brazen these battyh@les have become! yes is yrs man getting rob up chancellor, but they didn't do it so bold and brazen.

ah bet if we had ah good lawman on the island like marshall dillon and the flying squad, who used tuh take night and make day tuh katch and bring the lawless tuh justice, them boy woulda been a lot more vigilant in their doings!

the shyte is getting out of hand now, some body have tuh start setting ah serious example!! it's almost like we have no police force!
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Flex on January 13, 2011, 06:34:54 AM
4,000 students ‘missing’
By ANNA-LISA PAUL Thursday, January 13 2011


FAST on the heel of shocking revelations earlier this week that dozens of school teachers are facing sex charges for molestation, buggery and for sending pornographic texts to students, came another bombshell yesterday by Education Minister Dr Tim Gopeesingh who disclosed that 4,000 registered secondary students have gone, “missing”.

Speaking at an impromptu press conference in the lobby of Police Administration Building in Port-of-Spain, shortly after meeting with Commissioner of Police Dwayne Gibbs, Gopeesingh said of the 86,000 registered secondary students, 4,000 are presently unaccounted for.

As a result, he said memos will be sent to principals of these schools asking them to account for their students. Gopeesingh said he wants to know the whereabouts of these 4,000 missing students especially as he believes that in some instances, “this is where the crime might he emanating from.”

“Some students are not going to school. Some students have gone their devious pathway and it is incumbent on us to trace the pathway for these 4,000 to determine where they are,” Gopeesingh said.

Describing yesterday’s hour-long meeting with Gibbs as “fruitful”, Gopeesingh said he requested the assistance of the Police Commissioner to prevent violence and indiscipline among some students when classes are dismissed.

Identifying 38 high-risk schools and promising that measures would have been implemented with immediate effect from yesterday, Gopeesingh said Gibbs assured him that mobile police patrols will be introduced around these schools when classes end.

Warning gang leaders that their actions to “infiltrate the school system” and entice students will no longer be tolerated, the minister added, “They will be dealt with by the police service quite shortly.”

President of the National Parent Teacher Association, Zena Ramatali echoed the minister’s concern regarding the 4,000 “missing” students and added: “We must not only look at secondary schools but primary schools as well.”

Claiming that more often than not, it was these missing students that ended up in gangs and with female students getting pregnant and/or contracting diseases, Ramatali said the NPTA is seeking a meeting with Gopeesingh to discuss these and other issues.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Controversial on January 13, 2011, 12:45:25 PM
bess women, food and lime is in trinidad. nowhere else have that PERIOD.

Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Controversial on January 13, 2011, 12:49:50 PM
I was wonderin if ppl might have thought it was just a fight, not a robbery.
Anyway, ppl does be scared to intervene. I can't blame them, if I see a man gettin distressed I doubt I would do much.
The bandits know they have ample time to get away so they could do ting in broad daylight.
It sad.
Yeh , i feel yuh on not getting involved, but the point i think fish iz making, is how brazen these battyh@les have become! yes is yrs man getting rob up chancellor, but they didn't do it do bold and brazen.

ah bet if we had ah good lawman on the island like marshall dillon and the flying squad, who used tuh take night and make day tuh katch and bring the lawless tuh justice, them boy woulda been a lot more vigilant in their doings!

the shyte is getting out of hand now, some body have tuh start setting ah serious example!! it's almost like we have no police force!

what i have been hearing is a portion of the force in tt don't like the current govt and neglecting their duties bc of it. hence the crime is getting worse, to me they just spiting the nation and themselves.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: just cool on January 13, 2011, 04:15:25 PM
I was wonderin if ppl might have thought it was just a fight, not a robbery.
Anyway, ppl does be scared to intervene. I can't blame them, if I see a man gettin distressed I doubt I would do much.
The bandits know they have ample time to get away so they could do ting in broad daylight.
It sad.
Yeh , i feel yuh on not getting involved, but the point i think fish iz making, is how brazen these battyh@les have become! yes is yrs man getting rob up chancellor, but they didn't do it do bold and brazen.

ah bet if we had ah good lawman on the island like marshall dillon and the flying squad, who used tuh take night and make day tuh katch and bring the lawless tuh justice, them boy woulda been a lot more vigilant in their doings!

the shyte is getting out of hand now, some body have tuh start setting ah serious example!! it's almost like we have no police force!

what i have been hearing is a portion of the force in tt don't like the current govt and neglecting their duties bc of it. hence the crime is getting worse, to me they just spiting the nation and themselves.
Then they should be fired or quit!! no mo fackin excuses! i sure it have young fellas who just come out ah high school and lookin something tuh do, so i suggest firing all who don't want tuh perform and hire young new blood! it's that fackin simple! >:(
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Touches on January 13, 2011, 05:03:35 PM
That portion of the force is the group that in bobol...they must want him out.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: davyjenny1 on January 13, 2011, 06:15:36 PM
I wanted to but ah change meh mind since my children want to stay in the U.S finished college and earn a bigger income. Well.. you all know the living standards. Retirement, i'll have to rethink and put that decision on hold for a very long time. In the mean time I will travel back and forth, no big thing. Anyways, I live on an aircraft.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Die_Hard on January 13, 2011, 09:51:36 PM
I was wonderin if ppl might have thought it was just a fight, not a robbery.
Anyway, ppl does be scared to intervene. I can't blame them, if I see a man gettin distressed I doubt I would do much.
The bandits know they have ample time to get away so they could do ting in broad daylight.
It sad.
Yeh , i feel yuh on not getting involved, but the point i think fish iz making, is how brazen these battyh@les have become! yes is yrs man getting rob up chancellor, but they didn't do it do bold and brazen.

ah bet if we had ah good lawman on the island like marshall dillon and the flying squad, who used tuh take night and make day tuh katch and bring the lawless tuh justice, them boy woulda been a lot more vigilant in their doings!

the shyte is getting out of hand now, some body have tuh start setting ah serious example!! it's almost like we have no police force!

what i have been hearing is a portion of the force in tt don't like the current govt and neglecting their duties bc of it. hence the crime is getting worse, to me they just spiting the nation and themselves.

The crime is not getting worse, it has maintained its steady flow.  To infer that some portion of the police force is shirking responsibilities becasue they dislike the government is just plain iresponsible.

Were those same police not working becasue they disliked the PNM?    Becasue everyday I awoke to headlines about the crime situation, and how poor the past government were at getting a grip on it.

Now we have exchange, the police suddenly saboteurs?
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on January 13, 2011, 10:26:00 PM
I was wonderin if ppl might have thought it was just a fight, not a robbery.
Anyway, ppl does be scared to intervene. I can't blame them, if I see a man gettin distressed I doubt I would do much.
The bandits know they have ample time to get away so they could do ting in broad daylight.
It sad.
Yeh , i feel yuh on not getting involved, but the point i think fish iz making, is how brazen these battyh@les have become! yes is yrs man getting rob up chancellor, but they didn't do it do bold and brazen.

ah bet if we had ah good lawman on the island like marshall dillon and the flying squad, who used tuh take night and make day tuh katch and bring the lawless tuh justice, them boy woulda been a lot more vigilant in their doings!

the shyte is getting out of hand now, some body have tuh start setting ah serious example!! it's almost like we have no police force!

what i have been hearing is a portion of the force in tt don't like the current govt and neglecting their duties bc of it. hence the crime is getting worse, to me they just spiting the nation and themselves.

The crime is not getting worse, it has maintained its steady flow.  To infer that some portion of the police force is shirking responsibilities becasue they dislike the government is just plain iresponsible.

Were those same police not working becasue they disliked the PNM?    Becasue everyday I awoke to headlines about the crime situation, and how poor the past government were at getting a grip on it.

Now we have exchange, the police suddenly saboteurs?

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Errol on August 03, 2011, 09:54:22 AM
Hell No !!!!!
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: elan on August 03, 2011, 02:38:11 PM
Heaven Yes!!!!!!
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on August 04, 2011, 08:12:45 AM
Heaven Yes!!!!!!

 :rotfl:
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: kicker on August 05, 2011, 07:39:54 AM
Everybody's experience, circumstances and preferences are different so it eh make sense telling someone that they mad tuh go back home or that they wrong to not want to...

The chances of me eventually going back home to live (which were actually pretty good) took a nose dive after I got married to an American woman...She love T&T as a place tuh visit but she say the way that people lock up their house tight tight with high fence and burglar proof etc gives the environment a feeling of always being under some kind threat...and that makes her uncomfortable....and it eh fair to force someone through that.... so there yuh go - circumstances... I know fellas who take their American/non Trini wife home to live and they normal normal liking deyself...

To me T&T lacking a professionalism that could be very annoying if you've experienced life in the U.S. but to be completely honest after going through the adjustment pains that eh no big scene if yuh open yuh mind, accept the culture (to a certain extent) and relax...I went back home for 2 yrs back in the early 00's and lived and worked in T&T, and there was def. a tough adjustment period...but truth be told it was very short, and very soon I was normal, normal and Trini was real sweet. 

There is a charm to alot of the things that we lack in Trini if yuh could spin yuh head to see it from a different angle, but like ah say, everybody different...
 
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Mr Fix-it on August 05, 2011, 07:46:43 AM
Everybody's experience, circumstances and preferences are different so it eh make sense telling someone that they mad tuh go back home or that they wrong to not want to...

The chances of me eventually going back home to live (which were actually pretty good) took a nose dive after I got married to an American woman...She love T&T as a place tuh visit but she say the way that people lock up their house tight tight with high fence and burglar proof etc gives the environment a feeling of always being under some kind threat...and that makes her uncomfortable....and it eh fair to force someone through that.... so there yuh go - circumstances... I know fellas who take their American/non Trini wife home to live and they normal normal liking deyself...

To me T&T lacking a professionalism that could be very annoying if you've experienced life in the U.S. but to be completely honest after going through the adjustment pains that eh no big scene if yuh open yuh mind, accept the culture (to a certain extent) and relax...I went back home for 2 yrs back in the early 00's and lived and worked in T&T, and there was def. a tough adjustment period...but truth be told it was very short, and very soon I was normal, normal and Trini was real sweet. 

There is a charm to alot of the things that we lack in Trini if yuh could spin yuh head to see it from a different angle, but like ah say, everybody different...
 

True right now I thinking Trini is a good choice seeing that all markets craching this morning.  I say is time to kick back and watch the world fall apart  :beermug: :devil: :angel:
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on August 05, 2011, 08:08:14 AM
Kicker

I tell meh friends all yuh cyah live here 4 1 reason d lack of service delivery. D 1st time I wemnt to d US I purchase a dress in meh favorite store Dress Barn In Atlanta. My sis nah u pay 2 much 4 dat and get a refund in d Dress Barn In Maryland.

Dat level of service delivery eh no way possible in sweet TNT. 
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Daft Trini on August 05, 2011, 08:12:25 AM
Kicker

I tell meh friends all yuh cyah live here 4 1 reason d lack of service delivery. D 1st time I wemnt to d US I purchase a dress in meh favorite store Dress Barn In Atlanta. My sis nah u pay 2 much 4 dat and get a refund in d Dress Barn In Maryland.

Dat level of service delivery eh no way possible in sweet TNT. 

Try Costco... I does buy, then use and then return, no questions asked  :devil:
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: dinho on August 05, 2011, 08:33:45 AM
I recently move back home by choice and I eh look back yet.

Left a steady, decent job and situation in the US and took a chance and sacrificed to come back here because I have a much better opportunity to try to achieve some personal professional goals that don't involve working for someone else than I could have ever had in the states.

For sure there is a process of adjustment but luckily i wasn't away so long as to not to be able to cope with certain things or understand that things here are a certain way. The speed (or lack thereof) with which people operate, the customer service, the attitudes. Nevertheless I not missing abroad at all, and if that changes I could always swing back.

What has surprised me more than anything is people's negativity towards here. Is like when I tell people I actually not here on vacation, first question i get is why I would leave the great USA to come back here. And if it is I sure because given the opportunity to go they gone etc. Same for people who living abroad seeing me going back, the first question is "Yuh really going back dey boy?". A constant cry down. I think having lived a few years in London and the US help shape my perspective, but I realize that people don't appreciate what they have here.

My personal opinion is that there is not really a big gap in terms of the value add of living in the states as there used to be long ago. There is not much you could get there that you cannot get here once you setup properly. Like i does say long time we used to look forward to Tantie sending a barrel down for us with stocks. What Tantie could put in that barrel now that we cant get here?

In terms of money, I remember up to a few years ago when I visit home and liming with pardners, men hitting yuh de standard "wham hoss, yuh working for US dollarz sponsor de rounds nah". Men don't even talk that talk anymore because de kinda money people spend here on liming is the equivalent of $US or more. I still taken back when I see how people liming religiously during the week and partying on the weekend normal when I know I couldn't sustain that level of spending working a better job than most. People doh bat ah eyelid to spend $300TT plus on a fete ticket when I never spend more than $40US to go in nowhere in all my time living in the states.

Also when I look at the prices of things here, the standard conversion is $1US - $10TT. Everything in the US is 10 times the price here yet it don't seem to be stopping people from buying. Then when you spin around and look at the economic global situation, Trinidad really not looking so bad right now after all.

Of course the only major differential is the crime situation and peace of mind which is of course a big thing. If it wasn't for that Trinidad is a paradise.

Naturally this is my personal opinion and I understand for everyone else it will be different but to each his own. Home for me is where the heart is.

 
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Jah Gol on August 05, 2011, 08:35:45 AM
I want to try outside for a while.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: dinho on August 05, 2011, 08:39:47 AM
I want to try outside for a while.

I does advise everybody who ask me to try outside for a while. Yuh need to get out and see the world and live it and experience the world out there for at least a year or two. It does broaden yuh horizon and open yuh mind up in ways that could never happen by just staying in Trinidad.

I think after that yuh get to appreciate a first world way of life but at the same time I feel it does lead yuh to appreciate alot of things yuh take for granted here. jmo
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Jah Gol on August 05, 2011, 08:49:37 AM
I want to try outside for a while.

I does advise everybody who ask me to try outside for a while. Yuh need to get out and see the world and live it and experience the world out there for at least a year or two. It does broaden yuh horizon and open yuh mind up in ways that could never happen by just staying in Trinidad.

I think after that yuh get to appreciate a first world way of life but at the same time I feel it does lead yuh to appreciate alot of things yuh take for granted here. jmo
Very true
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: kicker on August 05, 2011, 09:12:42 AM
Omar doh forget your U.S. experience is a New York City experience eh... It kinda unique - man does ketch dey arse tuh spend money on the non-necessitites in New York, because the cost of living otherwise is very high.  The same comparison you make to ppl in Trini as far as spending goes, yuh could make that to peeps in other states and cities who, as yuh say, not working for as much as you...because NYC just reaaalll expensive to live....and the other place yuh live was where?....... London?  Well ditto what I just say about NYC....
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: dinho on August 05, 2011, 09:19:11 AM
Omar doh forget your U.S. experience is a New York City experience eh... It kinda unique - man does ketch dey arse tuh spend money on the non-necessitites in New York, because the cost of living otherwise is very high.  The same comparison you make to ppl in Trini as far as spending goes, yuh could make that to peeps in other states and cities who, as yuh say, not working for as much as you...because NYC just reaaalll expensive to live....and the other place yuh live was where?....... London?  Well ditto what I just say about NYC....

True, but is not like yuh salary does remain the same in other states.

But anyway, like i say is just a personal take.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: kicker on August 05, 2011, 09:22:34 AM
But anyway, like i say is just a personal take.

Dais de bottom line
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: rotatopoti3 on August 05, 2011, 10:13:56 AM
Trinidad I could speak for iz very simple...stick with d right crowd..yuh good tuh go....

Respect people for who dey are ..and live you life...

Yuh in d wrong crowd or look fuh truble..it ez tuh find any part of d world...

i with dinho on dis,,,
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Mr Fix-it on August 05, 2011, 11:10:21 AM
I recently move back home by choice and I eh look back yet.

Left a steady, decent job and situation in the US and took a chance and sacrificed to come back here because I have a much better opportunity to try to achieve some personal professional goals that don't involve working for someone else than I could have ever had in the states.

For sure there is a process of adjustment but luckily i wasn't away so long as to not to be able to cope with certain things or understand that things here are a certain way. The speed (or lack thereof) with which people operate, the customer service, the attitudes. Nevertheless I not missing abroad at all, and if that changes I could always swing back.

What has surprised me more than anything is people's negativity towards here. Is like when I tell people I actually not here on vacation, first question i get is why I would leave the great USA to come back here. And if it is I sure because given the opportunity to go they gone etc. Same for people who living abroad seeing me going back, the first question is "Yuh really going back dey boy?". A constant cry down. I think having lived a few years in London and the US help shape my perspective, but I realize that people don't appreciate what they have here.

My personal opinion is that there is not really a big gap in terms of the value add of living in the states as there used to be long ago. There is not much you could get there that you cannot get here once you setup properly. Like i does say long time we used to look forward to Tantie sending a barrel down for us with stocks. What Tantie could put in that barrel now that we cant get here?

In terms of money, I remember up to a few years ago when I visit home and liming with pardners, men hitting yuh de standard "wham hoss, yuh working for US dollarz sponsor de rounds nah". Men don't even talk that talk anymore because de kinda money people spend here on liming is the equivalent of $US or more. I still taken back when I see how people liming religiously during the week and partying on the weekend normal when I know I couldn't sustain that level of spending working a better job than most. People doh bat ah eyelid to spend $300TT plus on a fete ticket when I never spend more than $40US to go in nowhere in all my time living in the states.

Also when I look at the prices of things here, the standard conversion is $1US - $10TT. Everything in the US is 10 times the price here yet it don't seem to be stopping people from buying. Then when you spin around and look at the economic global situation, Trinidad really not looking so bad right now after all.

Of course the only major differential is the crime situation and peace of mind which is of course a big thing. If it wasn't for that Trinidad is a paradise.

Naturally this is my personal opinion and I understand for everyone else it will be different but to each his own. Home for me is where the heart is.

 

I'm in, where do I sign up :beermug:
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: JDB on August 05, 2011, 11:38:57 AM
Everybody's experience, circumstances and preferences are different so it eh make sense telling someone that they mad tuh go back home or that they wrong to not want to...

The chances of me eventually going back home to live (which were actually pretty good) took a nose dive after I got married to an American woman...She love T&T as a place tuh visit but she say the way that people lock up their house tight tight with high fence and burglar proof etc gives the environment a feeling of always being under some kind threat...and that makes her uncomfortable....and it eh fair to force someone through that.... so there yuh go - circumstances... I know fellas who take their American/non Trini wife home to live and they normal normal liking deyself...

To me T&T lacking a professionalism that could be very annoying if you've experienced life in the U.S. but to be completely honest after going through the adjustment pains that eh no big scene if yuh open yuh mind, accept the culture (to a certain extent) and relax...I went back home for 2 yrs back in the early 00's and lived and worked in T&T, and there was def. a tough adjustment period...but truth be told it was very short, and very soon I was normal, normal and Trini was real sweet. 

There is a charm to alot of the things that we lack in Trini if yuh could spin yuh head to see it from a different angle, but like ah say, everybody different...
 


Not to re-beat a dead horse but this is the point I was making earlier in this thread.

A lot of the people who were saying that they couldn’t go back Trinidad because of specific criticisms like crime, backwardness etc were not being honest enough to ackknowledge that other factors like: American spouses, American kids, career prospects and just plain inertia were probably bigger factors.

Most of the people that I know who went back are like Dinho, young, unattached (or attached to someone in Trini) and without kids. The kids are a big factor. I don't even want to move to the next town for fear of disrupting what works for them so moving to a different country is a hard decision.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Controversial on August 05, 2011, 12:47:00 PM
I recently move back home by choice and I eh look back yet.

Left a steady, decent job and situation in the US and took a chance and sacrificed to come back here because I have a much better opportunity to try to achieve some personal professional goals that don't involve working for someone else than I could have ever had in the states.

For sure there is a process of adjustment but luckily i wasn't away so long as to not to be able to cope with certain things or understand that things here are a certain way. The speed (or lack thereof) with which people operate, the customer service, the attitudes. Nevertheless I not missing abroad at all, and if that changes I could always swing back.

What has surprised me more than anything is people's negativity towards here. Is like when I tell people I actually not here on vacation, first question i get is why I would leave the great USA to come back here. And if it is I sure because given the opportunity to go they gone etc. Same for people who living abroad seeing me going back, the first question is "Yuh really going back dey boy?". A constant cry down. I think having lived a few years in London and the US help shape my perspective, but I realize that people don't appreciate what they have here.

My personal opinion is that there is not really a big gap in terms of the value add of living in the states as there used to be long ago. There is not much you could get there that you cannot get here once you setup properly. Like i does say long time we used to look forward to Tantie sending a barrel down for us with stocks. What Tantie could put in that barrel now that we cant get here?

In terms of money, I remember up to a few years ago when I visit home and liming with pardners, men hitting yuh de standard "wham hoss, yuh working for US dollarz sponsor de rounds nah". Men don't even talk that talk anymore because de kinda money people spend here on liming is the equivalent of $US or more. I still taken back when I see how people liming religiously during the week and partying on the weekend normal when I know I couldn't sustain that level of spending working a better job than most. People doh bat ah eyelid to spend $300TT plus on a fete ticket when I never spend more than $40US to go in nowhere in all my time living in the states.

Also when I look at the prices of things here, the standard conversion is $1US - $10TT. Everything in the US is 10 times the price here yet it don't seem to be stopping people from buying. Then when you spin around and look at the economic global situation, Trinidad really not looking so bad right now after all.

Of course the only major differential is the crime situation and peace of mind which is of course a big thing. If it wasn't for that Trinidad is a paradise.

Naturally this is my personal opinion and I understand for everyone else it will be different but to each his own. Home for me is where the heart is.

 

I'm in, where do I sign up :beermug:

it depends on your work situation, certain careers you cannot continue in TT successfully and you have to be in the US, Canada or UK to make it and do well.

it also depends which part of TT you are from, my family is from the area with the highest murder rate and crime rate, so going back is about survival and staying alive, i have no time to deal with that.

so for me, going back to trinidad is not an option right now because of my career and where i will reside.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: frico on August 07, 2011, 11:30:47 AM
Who say a Dougla will do a better job than any other race or any other mix race person,race dont matter its how good you are.Williams was there for a long time,he had nuff time and money to make TT one of the best places in the world to live but instead the country was bankrupt by 1980.I feel certain that if you minus the crime figures from Laventille and its surrounds our crime will be negligible.Dr.Williams also brought in thousands of people from the smaller islands to keep his position as boss,we are seeing the effects of his actions today.All great leaders leave a legacy,what was his.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Socapro on August 07, 2011, 04:20:18 PM
I recently move back home by choice and I eh look back yet.

Left a steady, decent job and situation in the US and took a chance and sacrificed to come back here because I have a much better opportunity to try to achieve some personal professional goals that don't involve working for someone else than I could have ever had in the states.

For sure there is a process of adjustment but luckily i wasn't away so long as to not to be able to cope with certain things or understand that things here are a certain way. The speed (or lack thereof) with which people operate, the customer service, the attitudes. Nevertheless I not missing abroad at all, and if that changes I could always swing back.

What has surprised me more than anything is people's negativity towards here. Is like when I tell people I actually not here on vacation, first question i get is why I would leave the great USA to come back here. And if it is I sure because given the opportunity to go they gone etc. Same for people who living abroad seeing me going back, the first question is "Yuh really going back dey boy?". A constant cry down. I think having lived a few years in London and the US help shape my perspective, but I realize that people don't appreciate what they have here.

My personal opinion is that there is not really a big gap in terms of the value add of living in the states as there used to be long ago. There is not much you could get there that you cannot get here once you setup properly. Like i does say long time we used to look forward to Tantie sending a barrel down for us with stocks. What Tantie could put in that barrel now that we cant get here?

In terms of money, I remember up to a few years ago when I visit home and liming with pardners, men hitting yuh de standard "wham hoss, yuh working for US dollarz sponsor de rounds nah". Men don't even talk that talk anymore because de kinda money people spend here on liming is the equivalent of $US or more. I still taken back when I see how people liming religiously during the week and partying on the weekend normal when I know I couldn't sustain that level of spending working a better job than most. People doh bat ah eyelid to spend $300TT plus on a fete ticket when I never spend more than $40US to go in nowhere in all my time living in the states.

Also when I look at the prices of things here, the standard conversion is $1US - $10TT. Everything in the US is 10 times the price here yet it don't seem to be stopping people from buying. Then when you spin around and look at the economic global situation, Trinidad really not looking so bad right now after all.

Of course the only major differential is the crime situation and peace of mind which is of course a big thing. If it wasn't for that Trinidad is a paradise.

Naturally this is my personal opinion and I understand for everyone else it will be different but to each his own. Home for me is where the heart is.

 

I'm in, where do I sign up :beermug:

it depends on your work situation, certain careers you cannot continue in TT successfully and you have to be in the US, Canada or UK to make it and do well.

it also depends which part of TT you are from, my family is from the area with the highest murder rate and crime rate, so going back is about survival and staying alive, i have no time to deal with that.

so for me, going back to trinidad is not an option right now because of my career and where i will reside.

Yuh could choose which area in T&T you want to reside in if you were originally from a high crime area and really want to return home!

Maybe yuh heart not in it and yuh doh love the country of your birth as much as others who have choosen to return!
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Controversial on August 07, 2011, 04:36:59 PM
I recently move back home by choice and I eh look back yet.

Left a steady, decent job and situation in the US and took a chance and sacrificed to come back here because I have a much better opportunity to try to achieve some personal professional goals that don't involve working for someone else than I could have ever had in the states.

For sure there is a process of adjustment but luckily i wasn't away so long as to not to be able to cope with certain things or understand that things here are a certain way. The speed (or lack thereof) with which people operate, the customer service, the attitudes. Nevertheless I not missing abroad at all, and if that changes I could always swing back.

What has surprised me more than anything is people's negativity towards here. Is like when I tell people I actually not here on vacation, first question i get is why I would leave the great USA to come back here. And if it is I sure because given the opportunity to go they gone etc. Same for people who living abroad seeing me going back, the first question is "Yuh really going back dey boy?". A constant cry down. I think having lived a few years in London and the US help shape my perspective, but I realize that people don't appreciate what they have here.

My personal opinion is that there is not really a big gap in terms of the value add of living in the states as there used to be long ago. There is not much you could get there that you cannot get here once you setup properly. Like i does say long time we used to look forward to Tantie sending a barrel down for us with stocks. What Tantie could put in that barrel now that we cant get here?

In terms of money, I remember up to a few years ago when I visit home and liming with pardners, men hitting yuh de standard "wham hoss, yuh working for US dollarz sponsor de rounds nah". Men don't even talk that talk anymore because de kinda money people spend here on liming is the equivalent of $US or more. I still taken back when I see how people liming religiously during the week and partying on the weekend normal when I know I couldn't sustain that level of spending working a better job than most. People doh bat ah eyelid to spend $300TT plus on a fete ticket when I never spend more than $40US to go in nowhere in all my time living in the states.

Also when I look at the prices of things here, the standard conversion is $1US - $10TT. Everything in the US is 10 times the price here yet it don't seem to be stopping people from buying. Then when you spin around and look at the economic global situation, Trinidad really not looking so bad right now after all.

Of course the only major differential is the crime situation and peace of mind which is of course a big thing. If it wasn't for that Trinidad is a paradise.

Naturally this is my personal opinion and I understand for everyone else it will be different but to each his own. Home for me is where the heart is.

 

I'm in, where do I sign up :beermug:

it depends on your work situation, certain careers you cannot continue in TT successfully and you have to be in the US, Canada or UK to make it and do well.

it also depends which part of TT you are from, my family is from the area with the highest murder rate and crime rate, so going back is about survival and staying alive, i have no time to deal with that.

so for me, going back to trinidad is not an option right now because of my career and where i will reside.

Yuh could choose which area in T&T you want to reside in if you were originally from a high crime area and really want to return home!

Maybe yuh heart not in it and yuh doh love the country of your birth as much as others who have choosen to return!

far from it, more along the lines of lack of opportunity more than anything else.

you should know, thats why you living in london  8)
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Socapro on August 07, 2011, 06:20:37 PM
I recently move back home by choice and I eh look back yet.

Left a steady, decent job and situation in the US and took a chance and sacrificed to come back here because I have a much better opportunity to try to achieve some personal professional goals that don't involve working for someone else than I could have ever had in the states.

For sure there is a process of adjustment but luckily i wasn't away so long as to not to be able to cope with certain things or understand that things here are a certain way. The speed (or lack thereof) with which people operate, the customer service, the attitudes. Nevertheless I not missing abroad at all, and if that changes I could always swing back.

What has surprised me more than anything is people's negativity towards here. Is like when I tell people I actually not here on vacation, first question i get is why I would leave the great USA to come back here. And if it is I sure because given the opportunity to go they gone etc. Same for people who living abroad seeing me going back, the first question is "Yuh really going back dey boy?". A constant cry down. I think having lived a few years in London and the US help shape my perspective, but I realize that people don't appreciate what they have here.

My personal opinion is that there is not really a big gap in terms of the value add of living in the states as there used to be long ago. There is not much you could get there that you cannot get here once you setup properly. Like i does say long time we used to look forward to Tantie sending a barrel down for us with stocks. What Tantie could put in that barrel now that we cant get here?

In terms of money, I remember up to a few years ago when I visit home and liming with pardners, men hitting yuh de standard "wham hoss, yuh working for US dollarz sponsor de rounds nah". Men don't even talk that talk anymore because de kinda money people spend here on liming is the equivalent of $US or more. I still taken back when I see how people liming religiously during the week and partying on the weekend normal when I know I couldn't sustain that level of spending working a better job than most. People doh bat ah eyelid to spend $300TT plus on a fete ticket when I never spend more than $40US to go in nowhere in all my time living in the states.

Also when I look at the prices of things here, the standard conversion is $1US - $10TT. Everything in the US is 10 times the price here yet it don't seem to be stopping people from buying. Then when you spin around and look at the economic global situation, Trinidad really not looking so bad right now after all.

Of course the only major differential is the crime situation and peace of mind which is of course a big thing. If it wasn't for that Trinidad is a paradise.

Naturally this is my personal opinion and I understand for everyone else it will be different but to each his own. Home for me is where the heart is.

 

I'm in, where do I sign up :beermug:

it depends on your work situation, certain careers you cannot continue in TT successfully and you have to be in the US, Canada or UK to make it and do well.

it also depends which part of TT you are from, my family is from the area with the highest murder rate and crime rate, so going back is about survival and staying alive, i have no time to deal with that.

so for me, going back to trinidad is not an option right now because of my career and where i will reside.

Yuh could choose which area in T&T you want to reside in if you were originally from a high crime area and really want to return home!

Maybe yuh heart not in it and yuh doh love the country of your birth as much as others who have choosen to return!

far from it, more along the lines of lack of opportunity more than anything else.

you should know, thats why you living in london  8)

Just that you know and don't make wrong assumptions as you usually do, I'm living in London because I have a mission to spread my culture to a wider audience!

It has little to do with crime or lack of opportunity to make a living in T&T!
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: 100% Barataria on August 07, 2011, 06:28:49 PM
Two ah all yuh is real kix oui.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: just cool on August 08, 2011, 02:21:41 AM
I recently move back home by choice and I eh look back yet.

Left a steady, decent job and situation in the US and took a chance and sacrificed to come back here because I have a much better opportunity to try to achieve some personal professional goals that don't involve working for someone else than I could have ever had in the states.

For sure there is a process of adjustment but luckily i wasn't away so long as to not to be able to cope with certain things or understand that things here are a certain way. The speed (or lack thereof) with which people operate, the customer service, the attitudes. Nevertheless I not missing abroad at all, and if that changes I could always swing back.

What has surprised me more than anything is people's negativity towards here. Is like when I tell people I actually not here on vacation, first question i get is why I would leave the great USA to come back here. And if it is I sure because given the opportunity to go they gone etc. Same for people who living abroad seeing me going back, the first question is "Yuh really going back dey boy?". A constant cry down. I think having lived a few years in London and the US help shape my perspective, but I realize that people don't appreciate what they have here.

My personal opinion is that there is not really a big gap in terms of the value add of living in the states as there used to be long ago. There is not much you could get there that you cannot get here once you setup properly. Like i does say long time we used to look forward to Tantie sending a barrel down for us with stocks. What Tantie could put in that barrel now that we cant get here?

In terms of money, I remember up to a few years ago when I visit home and liming with pardners, men hitting yuh de standard "wham hoss, yuh working for US dollarz sponsor de rounds nah". Men don't even talk that talk anymore because de kinda money people spend here on liming is the equivalent of $US or more. I still taken back when I see how people liming religiously during the week and partying on the weekend normal when I know I couldn't sustain that level of spending working a better job than most. People doh bat ah eyelid to spend $300TT plus on a fete ticket when I never spend more than $40US to go in nowhere in all my time living in the states.

Also when I look at the prices of things here, the standard conversion is $1US - $10TT. Everything in the US is 10 times the price here yet it don't seem to be stopping people from buying. Then when you spin around and look at the economic global situation, Trinidad really not looking so bad right now after all.

Of course the only major differential is the crime situation and peace of mind which is of course a big thing. If it wasn't for that Trinidad is a paradise.

Naturally this is my personal opinion and I understand for everyone else it will be different but to each his own. Home for me is where the heart is.

 

I'm in, where do I sign up :beermug:

it depends on your work situation, certain careers you cannot continue in TT successfully and you have to be in the US, Canada or UK to make it and do well.

it also depends which part of TT you are from, my family is from the area with the highest murder rate and crime rate, so going back is about survival and staying alive, i have no time to deal with that.

so for me, going back to trinidad is not an option right now because of my career and where i will reside.

Yuh could choose which area in T&T you want to reside in if you were originally from a high crime area and really want to return home!

Maybe yuh heart not in it and yuh doh love the country of your birth as much as others who have choosen to return!

far from it, more along the lines of lack of opportunity more than anything else.

you should know, thats why you living in london  8)

Just that you know and don't make wrong assumptions as you usually do, I'm living in London because I have a mission to spread my culture to a wider audience!

It has little to do with crime or lack of opportunity to make a living in T&T!
Yuh hear lie, dat is lie, lie, yuh hear lie. ;D
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: asylumseeker on August 14, 2011, 03:29:28 PM
the funny thing is that this debate is being played out in households all across the world.  my wife for example is from puerto rico and is extremely homesick.  almost every week we talk about the pros and cons of going back puerto rico, one of the sticking point is salary, PR just like trini where teachers etc. making not so much money compared to other sectors.   housing as u can imagine is another factor, schools, etc.    maybe one day we will make the move back to the caribbean, who knows.

I've been acquainting myself with this thread in last couple days so ah only now seeing this ... interesting you mention what you did because as I was pondering a trip to PR last week I decided to review crime stats there and some other indicators ... the similarity in context with Trini was not lost on me ... what with the police chief resigning and Puerto Ricans not at all happy with the situation on the ground ... none of this is expressly new, yet crime didn't feature in your comments. Then I said yuh know what ... head to the rural areas and vibes ah beach ... no decipherable difference; indeed there was a story about a man who parked a rental at a rural beach only to come back to find the vehicle stripped or gone (cyah remember which). Anyway, ah going back to read. This thread is epic.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Controversial on August 14, 2011, 05:08:35 PM
I recently move back home by choice and I eh look back yet.

Left a steady, decent job and situation in the US and took a chance and sacrificed to come back here because I have a much better opportunity to try to achieve some personal professional goals that don't involve working for someone else than I could have ever had in the states.

For sure there is a process of adjustment but luckily i wasn't away so long as to not to be able to cope with certain things or understand that things here are a certain way. The speed (or lack thereof) with which people operate, the customer service, the attitudes. Nevertheless I not missing abroad at all, and if that changes I could always swing back.

What has surprised me more than anything is people's negativity towards here. Is like when I tell people I actually not here on vacation, first question i get is why I would leave the great USA to come back here. And if it is I sure because given the opportunity to go they gone etc. Same for people who living abroad seeing me going back, the first question is "Yuh really going back dey boy?". A constant cry down. I think having lived a few years in London and the US help shape my perspective, but I realize that people don't appreciate what they have here.

My personal opinion is that there is not really a big gap in terms of the value add of living in the states as there used to be long ago. There is not much you could get there that you cannot get here once you setup properly. Like i does say long time we used to look forward to Tantie sending a barrel down for us with stocks. What Tantie could put in that barrel now that we cant get here?

In terms of money, I remember up to a few years ago when I visit home and liming with pardners, men hitting yuh de standard "wham hoss, yuh working for US dollarz sponsor de rounds nah". Men don't even talk that talk anymore because de kinda money people spend here on liming is the equivalent of $US or more. I still taken back when I see how people liming religiously during the week and partying on the weekend normal when I know I couldn't sustain that level of spending working a better job than most. People doh bat ah eyelid to spend $300TT plus on a fete ticket when I never spend more than $40US to go in nowhere in all my time living in the states.

Also when I look at the prices of things here, the standard conversion is $1US - $10TT. Everything in the US is 10 times the price here yet it don't seem to be stopping people from buying. Then when you spin around and look at the economic global situation, Trinidad really not looking so bad right now after all.

Of course the only major differential is the crime situation and peace of mind which is of course a big thing. If it wasn't for that Trinidad is a paradise.

Naturally this is my personal opinion and I understand for everyone else it will be different but to each his own. Home for me is where the heart is.

 

I'm in, where do I sign up :beermug:

it depends on your work situation, certain careers you cannot continue in TT successfully and you have to be in the US, Canada or UK to make it and do well.

it also depends which part of TT you are from, my family is from the area with the highest murder rate and crime rate, so going back is about survival and staying alive, i have no time to deal with that.

so for me, going back to trinidad is not an option right now because of my career and where i will reside.

Yuh could choose which area in T&T you want to reside in if you were originally from a high crime area and really want to return home!

Maybe yuh heart not in it and yuh doh love the country of your birth as much as others who have choosen to return!

far from it, more along the lines of lack of opportunity more than anything else.

you should know, thats why you living in london  8)

Just that you know and don't make wrong assumptions as you usually do, I'm living in London because I have a mission to spread my culture to a wider audience!

It has little to do with crime or lack of opportunity to make a living in T&T!

been doing that my whole life abroad, you think you are the only man  who has contributed?  :D that is a joke

Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: fari on August 14, 2011, 05:11:43 PM
the funny thing is that this debate is being played out in households all across the world.  my wife for example is from puerto rico and is extremely homesick.  almost every week we talk about the pros and cons of going back puerto rico, one of the sticking point is salary, PR just like trini where teachers etc. making not so much money compared to other sectors.   housing as u can imagine is another factor, schools, etc.    maybe one day we will make the move back to the caribbean, who knows.

I've been acquainting myself with this thread in last couple days so ah only now seeing this ... interesting you mention what you did because as I was pondering a trip to PR last week I decided to review crime stats there and some other indicators ... the similarity in context with Trini was not lost on me ... what with the police chief resigning and Puerto Ricans not at all happy with the situation on the ground ... none of this is expressly new, yet crime didn't feature in your comments. Then I said yuh know what ... head to the rural areas and vibes ah beach ... no decipherable difference; indeed there was a story about a man who parked a rental at a rural beach only to come back to find the vehicle stripped or gone (cyah remember which). Anyway, ah going back to read. This thread is epic.

yeah, crime is serious.  when i was in rio piedras in 2000 i saw a woman get she purse snatch right outside de dorm in broad daylight.  my other pardna had a night job and he see a dead man one night coming from work, plus the gas station he worked in get rob and he had to go to court when they caught the perps...crime serious over there.  the latest thing my in laws was telling us was that ppl was waiting for u to come out de grocery then snatchin ur bag of groceries  :o    a double blow b/c after u work so hard to buy a lil something somebody just takin it from u

but with all that...pr jus like trini boy...it sweeet too bad.      as for me going home, i will never say never.  i have a few contacts back home and i trying to prepare myself academically and professionally as much as possible just in case a good move arises back home.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Socapro on August 14, 2011, 09:41:18 PM
I recently move back home by choice and I eh look back yet.

Left a steady, decent job and situation in the US and took a chance and sacrificed to come back here because I have a much better opportunity to try to achieve some personal professional goals that don't involve working for someone else than I could have ever had in the states.

For sure there is a process of adjustment but luckily i wasn't away so long as to not to be able to cope with certain things or understand that things here are a certain way. The speed (or lack thereof) with which people operate, the customer service, the attitudes. Nevertheless I not missing abroad at all, and if that changes I could always swing back.

What has surprised me more than anything is people's negativity towards here. Is like when I tell people I actually not here on vacation, first question i get is why I would leave the great USA to come back here. And if it is I sure because given the opportunity to go they gone etc. Same for people who living abroad seeing me going back, the first question is "Yuh really going back dey boy?". A constant cry down. I think having lived a few years in London and the US help shape my perspective, but I realize that people don't appreciate what they have here.

My personal opinion is that there is not really a big gap in terms of the value add of living in the states as there used to be long ago. There is not much you could get there that you cannot get here once you setup properly. Like i does say long time we used to look forward to Tantie sending a barrel down for us with stocks. What Tantie could put in that barrel now that we cant get here?

In terms of money, I remember up to a few years ago when I visit home and liming with pardners, men hitting yuh de standard "wham hoss, yuh working for US dollarz sponsor de rounds nah". Men don't even talk that talk anymore because de kinda money people spend here on liming is the equivalent of $US or more. I still taken back when I see how people liming religiously during the week and partying on the weekend normal when I know I couldn't sustain that level of spending working a better job than most. People doh bat ah eyelid to spend $300TT plus on a fete ticket when I never spend more than $40US to go in nowhere in all my time living in the states.

Also when I look at the prices of things here, the standard conversion is $1US - $10TT. Everything in the US is 10 times the price here yet it don't seem to be stopping people from buying. Then when you spin around and look at the economic global situation, Trinidad really not looking so bad right now after all.

Of course the only major differential is the crime situation and peace of mind which is of course a big thing. If it wasn't for that Trinidad is a paradise.

Naturally this is my personal opinion and I understand for everyone else it will be different but to each his own. Home for me is where the heart is.

 

I'm in, where do I sign up :beermug:

it depends on your work situation, certain careers you cannot continue in TT successfully and you have to be in the US, Canada or UK to make it and do well.

it also depends which part of TT you are from, my family is from the area with the highest murder rate and crime rate, so going back is about survival and staying alive, i have no time to deal with that.

so for me, going back to trinidad is not an option right now because of my career and where i will reside.

Yuh could choose which area in T&T you want to reside in if you were originally from a high crime area and really want to return home!

Maybe yuh heart not in it and yuh doh love the country of your birth as much as others who have choosen to return!

far from it, more along the lines of lack of opportunity more than anything else.

you should know, thats why you living in london  8)

Just that you know and don't make wrong assumptions as you usually do, I'm living in London because I have a mission to spread my culture to a wider audience!

It has little to do with crime or lack of opportunity to make a living in T&T!

been doing that my whole life abroad, you think you are the only man  who has contributed?  :D that is a joke

I feel jumbie does talk in your head yuh know!  :-\

Where did you hear me say that I am the only man who has contributed?!  ::)

I leave them sort of statements for men with over inflated egos like yourself!  8)
Title: will you return home to live?
Post by: just cool on August 14, 2011, 10:20:23 PM
Trinidad too small! one hour in any direction and is pure sea.  :devil: and the classism still alive and well in that  place, plus it have to much privilege folks still running around acting like you are an intruder. simple things like a fine dining experience is a huge deal, yuh have tuh know someone so you could get a reservation in ah high end joint, or so they call it.

well don't talk for customer service, it's nonexistent in that country. imagine i gone in the bank and ah man in ah monkey suite call out to me with indigence chattering "eyyyhhhh , yuh cyar wear dat in here" (referring to my hat) plus the teller dem was katching feelings bc of my lingo, as ah matter of fact every where i go ppl was katchin feelings bc of my lingo.

in ah nut shell, the masses real fackin small minded and petty. don't get me wrong, i love trinidad, but for the land scape and the weather which is just lovely, the the local foods, fruits and fresh air is out of this world, but the masses and the leaders needs ah mentality lift.

T&T could be an absolute paradise, but only if the leaders put their shoulders to the wheel and become truly patriotic and dedicated to the cause of making T&T a first world nation, and putting the resources we were blessed with to proper use. if that were too happen , then i could consider repatriating, but until then (which i doubt) i good right here in boo york.

PS: the ppl need a lot of exposure and plenty education bc it's only a small percentage of the masses that is truly educated. there are too many ignorant ppl running round trinidad, more so than in colonial times (that's why ppl reminisce on the times gone by) and they also need to stop thinking like trinidad america and canada is the only countries in the world, that's another annoyance.  

mods some thing went wrong when i tried to post on the original thread and i didn't want to retype the post . so please merge with original thread.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Controversial on August 15, 2011, 12:21:37 AM
I recently move back home by choice and I eh look back yet.

Left a steady, decent job and situation in the US and took a chance and sacrificed to come back here because I have a much better opportunity to try to achieve some personal professional goals that don't involve working for someone else than I could have ever had in the states.

For sure there is a process of adjustment but luckily i wasn't away so long as to not to be able to cope with certain things or understand that things here are a certain way. The speed (or lack thereof) with which people operate, the customer service, the attitudes. Nevertheless I not missing abroad at all, and if that changes I could always swing back.

What has surprised me more than anything is people's negativity towards here. Is like when I tell people I actually not here on vacation, first question i get is why I would leave the great USA to come back here. And if it is I sure because given the opportunity to go they gone etc. Same for people who living abroad seeing me going back, the first question is "Yuh really going back dey boy?". A constant cry down. I think having lived a few years in London and the US help shape my perspective, but I realize that people don't appreciate what they have here.

My personal opinion is that there is not really a big gap in terms of the value add of living in the states as there used to be long ago. There is not much you could get there that you cannot get here once you setup properly. Like i does say long time we used to look forward to Tantie sending a barrel down for us with stocks. What Tantie could put in that barrel now that we cant get here?

In terms of money, I remember up to a few years ago when I visit home and liming with pardners, men hitting yuh de standard "wham hoss, yuh working for US dollarz sponsor de rounds nah". Men don't even talk that talk anymore because de kinda money people spend here on liming is the equivalent of $US or more. I still taken back when I see how people liming religiously during the week and partying on the weekend normal when I know I couldn't sustain that level of spending working a better job than most. People doh bat ah eyelid to spend $300TT plus on a fete ticket when I never spend more than $40US to go in nowhere in all my time living in the states.

Also when I look at the prices of things here, the standard conversion is $1US - $10TT. Everything in the US is 10 times the price here yet it don't seem to be stopping people from buying. Then when you spin around and look at the economic global situation, Trinidad really not looking so bad right now after all.

Of course the only major differential is the crime situation and peace of mind which is of course a big thing. If it wasn't for that Trinidad is a paradise.

Naturally this is my personal opinion and I understand for everyone else it will be different but to each his own. Home for me is where the heart is.

 

I'm in, where do I sign up :beermug:

it depends on your work situation, certain careers you cannot continue in TT successfully and you have to be in the US, Canada or UK to make it and do well.

it also depends which part of TT you are from, my family is from the area with the highest murder rate and crime rate, so going back is about survival and staying alive, i have no time to deal with that.

so for me, going back to trinidad is not an option right now because of my career and where i will reside.

Yuh could choose which area in T&T you want to reside in if you were originally from a high crime area and really want to return home!

Maybe yuh heart not in it and yuh doh love the country of your birth as much as others who have choosen to return!

far from it, more along the lines of lack of opportunity more than anything else.

you should know, thats why you living in london  8)

Just that you know and don't make wrong assumptions as you usually do, I'm living in London because I have a mission to spread my culture to a wider audience!

It has little to do with crime or lack of opportunity to make a living in T&T!

been doing that my whole life abroad, you think you are the only man  who has contributed?  :D that is a joke

I feel jumbie does talk in your head yuh know!  :-\

Where did you hear me say that I am the only man who has contributed?!  ::)

I leave them sort of statements for men with over inflated egos like yourself!  8)

the egotistical way in which you spoke, echoed that sentiment, in fact you went off topic, you blatently try to call me unpatriotic when you living in london donkey years, making it seem like if I have never done nothing to contribute to promoting TT culture.

how patriotic is the ttff? ent all of them in TT and what they doing to our football

when youths killing they TT brother on the street, are they also patriotic?

the only jumbie that around is the one in your room with the padded walls  8)


Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Controversial on August 15, 2011, 12:49:48 AM
I recently move back home by choice and I eh look back yet.

Left a steady, decent job and situation in the US and took a chance and sacrificed to come back here because I have a much better opportunity to try to achieve some personal professional goals that don't involve working for someone else than I could have ever had in the states.

For sure there is a process of adjustment but luckily i wasn't away so long as to not to be able to cope with certain things or understand that things here are a certain way. The speed (or lack thereof) with which people operate, the customer service, the attitudes. Nevertheless I not missing abroad at all, and if that changes I could always swing back.

What has surprised me more than anything is people's negativity towards here. Is like when I tell people I actually not here on vacation, first question i get is why I would leave the great USA to come back here. And if it is I sure because given the opportunity to go they gone etc. Same for people who living abroad seeing me going back, the first question is "Yuh really going back dey boy?". A constant cry down. I think having lived a few years in London and the US help shape my perspective, but I realize that people don't appreciate what they have here.

My personal opinion is that there is not really a big gap in terms of the value add of living in the states as there used to be long ago. There is not much you could get there that you cannot get here once you setup properly. Like i does say long time we used to look forward to Tantie sending a barrel down for us with stocks. What Tantie could put in that barrel now that we cant get here?

In terms of money, I remember up to a few years ago when I visit home and liming with pardners, men hitting yuh de standard "wham hoss, yuh working for US dollarz sponsor de rounds nah". Men don't even talk that talk anymore because de kinda money people spend here on liming is the equivalent of $US or more. I still taken back when I see how people liming religiously during the week and partying on the weekend normal when I know I couldn't sustain that level of spending working a better job than most. People doh bat ah eyelid to spend $300TT plus on a fete ticket when I never spend more than $40US to go in nowhere in all my time living in the states.

Also when I look at the prices of things here, the standard conversion is $1US - $10TT. Everything in the US is 10 times the price here yet it don't seem to be stopping people from buying. Then when you spin around and look at the economic global situation, Trinidad really not looking so bad right now after all.

Of course the only major differential is the crime situation and peace of mind which is of course a big thing. If it wasn't for that Trinidad is a paradise.

Naturally this is my personal opinion and I understand for everyone else it will be different but to each his own. Home for me is where the heart is.

 

I'm in, where do I sign up :beermug:

it depends on your work situation, certain careers you cannot continue in TT successfully and you have to be in the US, Canada or UK to make it and do well.

it also depends which part of TT you are from, my family is from the area with the highest murder rate and crime rate, so going back is about survival and staying alive, i have no time to deal with that.

so for me, going back to trinidad is not an option right now because of my career and where i will reside.

Yuh could choose which area in T&T you want to reside in if you were originally from a high crime area and really want to return home!

Maybe yuh heart not in it and yuh doh love the country of your birth as much as others who have choosen to return!

far from it, more along the lines of lack of opportunity more than anything else.

you should know, thats why you living in london  8)

Just that you know and don't make wrong assumptions as you usually do, I'm living in London because I have a mission to spread my culture to a wider audience!

It has little to do with crime or lack of opportunity to make a living in T&T!
Yuh hear lie, dat is lie, lie, yuh hear lie. ;D

a big lie breds

socacrocro wants to say that another poster is more patriotic because they moved back to trinidad and because i choose not to move back at this time in my life, i am less patriotic

you should ask socacrocro which part of trini he is from? and when will he be moving back, because he can't say he did more for TT culture than me, another big fat lie, so he can RIDE with his outta timing statement
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Socapro on August 15, 2011, 02:08:24 PM
I recently move back home by choice and I eh look back yet.

Left a steady, decent job and situation in the US and took a chance and sacrificed to come back here because I have a much better opportunity to try to achieve some personal professional goals that don't involve working for someone else than I could have ever had in the states.

For sure there is a process of adjustment but luckily i wasn't away so long as to not to be able to cope with certain things or understand that things here are a certain way. The speed (or lack thereof) with which people operate, the customer service, the attitudes. Nevertheless I not missing abroad at all, and if that changes I could always swing back.

What has surprised me more than anything is people's negativity towards here. Is like when I tell people I actually not here on vacation, first question i get is why I would leave the great USA to come back here. And if it is I sure because given the opportunity to go they gone etc. Same for people who living abroad seeing me going back, the first question is "Yuh really going back dey boy?". A constant cry down. I think having lived a few years in London and the US help shape my perspective, but I realize that people don't appreciate what they have here.

My personal opinion is that there is not really a big gap in terms of the value add of living in the states as there used to be long ago. There is not much you could get there that you cannot get here once you setup properly. Like i does say long time we used to look forward to Tantie sending a barrel down for us with stocks. What Tantie could put in that barrel now that we cant get here?

In terms of money, I remember up to a few years ago when I visit home and liming with pardners, men hitting yuh de standard "wham hoss, yuh working for US dollarz sponsor de rounds nah". Men don't even talk that talk anymore because de kinda money people spend here on liming is the equivalent of $US or more. I still taken back when I see how people liming religiously during the week and partying on the weekend normal when I know I couldn't sustain that level of spending working a better job than most. People doh bat ah eyelid to spend $300TT plus on a fete ticket when I never spend more than $40US to go in nowhere in all my time living in the states.

Also when I look at the prices of things here, the standard conversion is $1US - $10TT. Everything in the US is 10 times the price here yet it don't seem to be stopping people from buying. Then when you spin around and look at the economic global situation, Trinidad really not looking so bad right now after all.

Of course the only major differential is the crime situation and peace of mind which is of course a big thing. If it wasn't for that Trinidad is a paradise.

Naturally this is my personal opinion and I understand for everyone else it will be different but to each his own. Home for me is where the heart is.

 

I'm in, where do I sign up :beermug:

it depends on your work situation, certain careers you cannot continue in TT successfully and you have to be in the US, Canada or UK to make it and do well.

it also depends which part of TT you are from, my family is from the area with the highest murder rate and crime rate, so going back is about survival and staying alive, i have no time to deal with that.

so for me, going back to trinidad is not an option right now because of my career and where i will reside.

Yuh could choose which area in T&T you want to reside in if you were originally from a high crime area and really want to return home!

Maybe yuh heart not in it and yuh doh love the country of your birth as much as others who have choosen to return!

far from it, more along the lines of lack of opportunity more than anything else.

you should know, thats why you living in london  8)

Just that you know and don't make wrong assumptions as you usually do, I'm living in London because I have a mission to spread my culture to a wider audience!

It has little to do with crime or lack of opportunity to make a living in T&T!
Yuh hear lie, dat is lie, lie, yuh hear lie. ;D

a big lie breds

socacrocro wants to say that another poster is more patriotic because they moved back to trinidad and because i choose not to move back at this time in my life, i am less patriotic

you should ask socacrocro which part of trini he is from? and when will he be moving back, because he can't say he did more for TT culture than me, another big fat lie, so he can RIDE with his outta timing statement

This man is a certified egomaniac yes!!  ::)

He knows very little of my business other than what I allow him & others here to know but has some crazy jumbie in his head talking to him and telling him that he knows everything!
I’ve got nothing to prove to an insane egomaniac who seems to view himself as King Trini but doh want to return home!!
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Controversial on August 15, 2011, 04:06:11 PM
I recently move back home by choice and I eh look back yet.

Left a steady, decent job and situation in the US and took a chance and sacrificed to come back here because I have a much better opportunity to try to achieve some personal professional goals that don't involve working for someone else than I could have ever had in the states.

For sure there is a process of adjustment but luckily i wasn't away so long as to not to be able to cope with certain things or understand that things here are a certain way. The speed (or lack thereof) with which people operate, the customer service, the attitudes. Nevertheless I not missing abroad at all, and if that changes I could always swing back.

What has surprised me more than anything is people's negativity towards here. Is like when I tell people I actually not here on vacation, first question i get is why I would leave the great USA to come back here. And if it is I sure because given the opportunity to go they gone etc. Same for people who living abroad seeing me going back, the first question is "Yuh really going back dey boy?". A constant cry down. I think having lived a few years in London and the US help shape my perspective, but I realize that people don't appreciate what they have here.

My personal opinion is that there is not really a big gap in terms of the value add of living in the states as there used to be long ago. There is not much you could get there that you cannot get here once you setup properly. Like i does say long time we used to look forward to Tantie sending a barrel down for us with stocks. What Tantie could put in that barrel now that we cant get here?

In terms of money, I remember up to a few years ago when I visit home and liming with pardners, men hitting yuh de standard "wham hoss, yuh working for US dollarz sponsor de rounds nah". Men don't even talk that talk anymore because de kinda money people spend here on liming is the equivalent of $US or more. I still taken back when I see how people liming religiously during the week and partying on the weekend normal when I know I couldn't sustain that level of spending working a better job than most. People doh bat ah eyelid to spend $300TT plus on a fete ticket when I never spend more than $40US to go in nowhere in all my time living in the states.

Also when I look at the prices of things here, the standard conversion is $1US - $10TT. Everything in the US is 10 times the price here yet it don't seem to be stopping people from buying. Then when you spin around and look at the economic global situation, Trinidad really not looking so bad right now after all.

Of course the only major differential is the crime situation and peace of mind which is of course a big thing. If it wasn't for that Trinidad is a paradise.

Naturally this is my personal opinion and I understand for everyone else it will be different but to each his own. Home for me is where the heart is.

 

I'm in, where do I sign up :beermug:

it depends on your work situation, certain careers you cannot continue in TT successfully and you have to be in the US, Canada or UK to make it and do well.

it also depends which part of TT you are from, my family is from the area with the highest murder rate and crime rate, so going back is about survival and staying alive, i have no time to deal with that.

so for me, going back to trinidad is not an option right now because of my career and where i will reside.

Yuh could choose which area in T&T you want to reside in if you were originally from a high crime area and really want to return home!

Maybe yuh heart not in it and yuh doh love the country of your birth as much as others who have choosen to return!

far from it, more along the lines of lack of opportunity more than anything else.

you should know, thats why you living in london  8)

Just that you know and don't make wrong assumptions as you usually do, I'm living in London because I have a mission to spread my culture to a wider audience!

It has little to do with crime or lack of opportunity to make a living in T&T!
Yuh hear lie, dat is lie, lie, yuh hear lie. ;D

a big lie breds

socacrocro wants to say that another poster is more patriotic because they moved back to trinidad and because i choose not to move back at this time in my life, i am less patriotic

you should ask socacrocro which part of trini he is from? and when will he be moving back, because he can't say he did more for TT culture than me, another big fat lie, so he can RIDE with his outta timing statement

This man is a certified egomaniac yes!!  ::)

He knows very little of my business other than what I allow him & others here to know but has some crazy jumbie in his head talking to him and telling him that he knows everything!
I’ve got nothing to prove to an insane egomaniac who seems to view himself as King Trini but doh want to return home!!

your a certified hypocrite.

all of a sudden you want to brand me as an egomaniac because i spoke of my contribution to TT society, which counters your falsified argument against me.

you know little of what i have done for TT culture, but your intent on insulting me and saying im not patriotic because i gave my opinion

why don't you answer the questions, or are you afraid to because everyone will see you are talking garbage like usual

Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Socapro on August 15, 2011, 04:36:46 PM
I recently move back home by choice and I eh look back yet.

Left a steady, decent job and situation in the US and took a chance and sacrificed to come back here because I have a much better opportunity to try to achieve some personal professional goals that don't involve working for someone else than I could have ever had in the states.

For sure there is a process of adjustment but luckily i wasn't away so long as to not to be able to cope with certain things or understand that things here are a certain way. The speed (or lack thereof) with which people operate, the customer service, the attitudes. Nevertheless I not missing abroad at all, and if that changes I could always swing back.

What has surprised me more than anything is people's negativity towards here. Is like when I tell people I actually not here on vacation, first question i get is why I would leave the great USA to come back here. And if it is I sure because given the opportunity to go they gone etc. Same for people who living abroad seeing me going back, the first question is "Yuh really going back dey boy?". A constant cry down. I think having lived a few years in London and the US help shape my perspective, but I realize that people don't appreciate what they have here.

My personal opinion is that there is not really a big gap in terms of the value add of living in the states as there used to be long ago. There is not much you could get there that you cannot get here once you setup properly. Like i does say long time we used to look forward to Tantie sending a barrel down for us with stocks. What Tantie could put in that barrel now that we cant get here?

In terms of money, I remember up to a few years ago when I visit home and liming with pardners, men hitting yuh de standard "wham hoss, yuh working for US dollarz sponsor de rounds nah". Men don't even talk that talk anymore because de kinda money people spend here on liming is the equivalent of $US or more. I still taken back when I see how people liming religiously during the week and partying on the weekend normal when I know I couldn't sustain that level of spending working a better job than most. People doh bat ah eyelid to spend $300TT plus on a fete ticket when I never spend more than $40US to go in nowhere in all my time living in the states.

Also when I look at the prices of things here, the standard conversion is $1US - $10TT. Everything in the US is 10 times the price here yet it don't seem to be stopping people from buying. Then when you spin around and look at the economic global situation, Trinidad really not looking so bad right now after all.

Of course the only major differential is the crime situation and peace of mind which is of course a big thing. If it wasn't for that Trinidad is a paradise.

Naturally this is my personal opinion and I understand for everyone else it will be different but to each his own. Home for me is where the heart is.

 

I'm in, where do I sign up :beermug:

it depends on your work situation, certain careers you cannot continue in TT successfully and you have to be in the US, Canada or UK to make it and do well.

it also depends which part of TT you are from, my family is from the area with the highest murder rate and crime rate, so going back is about survival and staying alive, i have no time to deal with that.

so for me, going back to trinidad is not an option right now because of my career and where i will reside.

Yuh could choose which area in T&T you want to reside in if you were originally from a high crime area and really want to return home!

Maybe yuh heart not in it and yuh doh love the country of your birth as much as others who have choosen to return!

far from it, more along the lines of lack of opportunity more than anything else.

you should know, thats why you living in london  8)

Just that you know and don't make wrong assumptions as you usually do, I'm living in London because I have a mission to spread my culture to a wider audience!

It has little to do with crime or lack of opportunity to make a living in T&T!
Yuh hear lie, dat is lie, lie, yuh hear lie. ;D

a big lie breds

socacrocro wants to say that another poster is more patriotic because they moved back to trinidad and because i choose not to move back at this time in my life, i am less patriotic

you should ask socacrocro which part of trini he is from? and when will he be moving back, because he can't say he did more for TT culture than me, another big fat lie, so he can RIDE with his outta timing statement

This man is a certified egomaniac yes!!  ::)

He knows very little of my business other than what I allow him & others here to know but has some crazy jumbie in his head talking to him and telling him that he knows everything!
I’ve got nothing to prove to an insane egomaniac who seems to view himself as King Trini but doh want to return home!!

your a certified hypocrite.

all of a sudden you want to brand me as an egomaniac because i spoke of my contribution to TT society, which counters your falsified argument against me.

you know little of what i have done for TT culture, but your intent on insulting me and saying im not patriotic because i gave my opinion

why don't you answer the questions, or are you afraid to because everyone will see you are talking garbage like usual

You honestly feel I have time to waste arguing with an egomaniac who feels he knows it all?
Everyone who regularly reads your posts knows that description for you fits you spot on!

I’ve seen many folks waste their time trying to have a logical argument with you on this forum and then eventually come to the same conclusion that I have!

Only mad people try to argue with mad people and I won't let you catch me in your loony trap by wasting my precious time answering irrelevant questions that only you believe you know the answers for so take win!  :beermug:
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Mr Fix-it on August 15, 2011, 11:56:20 PM
I recently move back home by choice and I eh look back yet.

Left a steady, decent job and situation in the US and took a chance and sacrificed to come back here because I have a much better opportunity to try to achieve some personal professional goals that don't involve working for someone else than I could have ever had in the states.

For sure there is a process of adjustment but luckily i wasn't away so long as to not to be able to cope with certain things or understand that things here are a certain way. The speed (or lack thereof) with which people operate, the customer service, the attitudes. Nevertheless I not missing abroad at all, and if that changes I could always swing back.

What has surprised me more than anything is people's negativity towards here. Is like when I tell people I actually not here on vacation, first question i get is why I would leave the great USA to come back here. And if it is I sure because given the opportunity to go they gone etc. Same for people who living abroad seeing me going back, the first question is "Yuh really going back dey boy?". A constant cry down. I think having lived a few years in London and the US help shape my perspective, but I realize that people don't appreciate what they have here.

My personal opinion is that there is not really a big gap in terms of the value add of living in the states as there used to be long ago. There is not much you could get there that you cannot get here once you setup properly. Like i does say long time we used to look forward to Tantie sending a barrel down for us with stocks. What Tantie could put in that barrel now that we cant get here?

In terms of money, I remember up to a few years ago when I visit home and liming with pardners, men hitting yuh de standard "wham hoss, yuh working for US dollarz sponsor de rounds nah". Men don't even talk that talk anymore because de kinda money people spend here on liming is the equivalent of $US or more. I still taken back when I see how people liming religiously during the week and partying on the weekend normal when I know I couldn't sustain that level of spending working a better job than most. People doh bat ah eyelid to spend $300TT plus on a fete ticket when I never spend more than $40US to go in nowhere in all my time living in the states.

Also when I look at the prices of things here, the standard conversion is $1US - $10TT. Everything in the US is 10 times the price here yet it don't seem to be stopping people from buying. Then when you spin around and look at the economic global situation, Trinidad really not looking so bad right now after all.

Of course the only major differential is the crime situation and peace of mind which is of course a big thing. If it wasn't for that Trinidad is a paradise.

Naturally this is my personal opinion and I understand for everyone else it will be different but to each his own. Home for me is where the heart is.

 

I'm in, where do I sign up :beermug:

it depends on your work situation, certain careers you cannot continue in TT successfully and you have to be in the US, Canada or UK to make it and do well.

it also depends which part of TT you are from, my family is from the area with the highest murder rate and crime rate, so going back is about survival and staying alive, i have no time to deal with that.

so for me, going back to trinidad is not an option right now because of my career and where i will reside.

Yuh could choose which area in T&T you want to reside in if you were originally from a high crime area and really want to return home!

Maybe yuh heart not in it and yuh doh love the country of your birth as much as others who have choosen to return!

far from it, more along the lines of lack of opportunity more than anything else.

you should know, thats why you living in london  8)

Just that you know and don't make wrong assumptions as you usually do, I'm living in London because I have a mission to spread my culture to a wider audience!

It has little to do with crime or lack of opportunity to make a living in T&T!
Yuh hear lie, dat is lie, lie, yuh hear lie. ;D

a big lie breds

socacrocro wants to say that another poster is more patriotic because they moved back to trinidad and because i choose not to move back at this time in my life, i am less patriotic

you should ask socacrocro which part of trini he is from? and when will he be moving back, because he can't say he did more for TT culture than me, another big fat lie, so he can RIDE with his outta timing statement

This man is a certified egomaniac yes!!  ::)

He knows very little of my business other than what I allow him & others here to know but has some crazy jumbie in his head talking to him and telling him that he knows everything!
I’ve got nothing to prove to an insane egomaniac who seems to view himself as King Trini but doh want to return home!!

your a certified hypocrite.

all of a sudden you want to brand me as an egomaniac because i spoke of my contribution to TT society, which counters your falsified argument against me.

you know little of what i have done for TT culture, but your intent on insulting me and saying im not patriotic because i gave my opinion

why don't you answer the questions, or are you afraid to because everyone will see you are talking garbage like usual

You honestly feel I have time to waste arguing with an egomaniac who feels he knows it all?
Everyone who regularly reads your posts knows that description for you fits you spot on!

I’ve seen many folks waste their time trying to have a logical argument with you on this forum and then eventually come to the same conclusion that I have!

Only mad people try to argue with mad people and I won't let you catch me in your loony trap by wasting my precious time answering irrelevant questions that only you believe you know the answers for so take win!  :beermug:


Poor thing...too late :beermug: :devil:
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Socapro on August 16, 2011, 12:05:04 AM
I recently move back home by choice and I eh look back yet.

Left a steady, decent job and situation in the US and took a chance and sacrificed to come back here because I have a much better opportunity to try to achieve some personal professional goals that don't involve working for someone else than I could have ever had in the states.

For sure there is a process of adjustment but luckily i wasn't away so long as to not to be able to cope with certain things or understand that things here are a certain way. The speed (or lack thereof) with which people operate, the customer service, the attitudes. Nevertheless I not missing abroad at all, and if that changes I could always swing back.

What has surprised me more than anything is people's negativity towards here. Is like when I tell people I actually not here on vacation, first question i get is why I would leave the great USA to come back here. And if it is I sure because given the opportunity to go they gone etc. Same for people who living abroad seeing me going back, the first question is "Yuh really going back dey boy?". A constant cry down. I think having lived a few years in London and the US help shape my perspective, but I realize that people don't appreciate what they have here.

My personal opinion is that there is not really a big gap in terms of the value add of living in the states as there used to be long ago. There is not much you could get there that you cannot get here once you setup properly. Like i does say long time we used to look forward to Tantie sending a barrel down for us with stocks. What Tantie could put in that barrel now that we cant get here?

In terms of money, I remember up to a few years ago when I visit home and liming with pardners, men hitting yuh de standard "wham hoss, yuh working for US dollarz sponsor de rounds nah". Men don't even talk that talk anymore because de kinda money people spend here on liming is the equivalent of $US or more. I still taken back when I see how people liming religiously during the week and partying on the weekend normal when I know I couldn't sustain that level of spending working a better job than most. People doh bat ah eyelid to spend $300TT plus on a fete ticket when I never spend more than $40US to go in nowhere in all my time living in the states.

Also when I look at the prices of things here, the standard conversion is $1US - $10TT. Everything in the US is 10 times the price here yet it don't seem to be stopping people from buying. Then when you spin around and look at the economic global situation, Trinidad really not looking so bad right now after all.

Of course the only major differential is the crime situation and peace of mind which is of course a big thing. If it wasn't for that Trinidad is a paradise.

Naturally this is my personal opinion and I understand for everyone else it will be different but to each his own. Home for me is where the heart is.

 

I'm in, where do I sign up :beermug:

it depends on your work situation, certain careers you cannot continue in TT successfully and you have to be in the US, Canada or UK to make it and do well.

it also depends which part of TT you are from, my family is from the area with the highest murder rate and crime rate, so going back is about survival and staying alive, i have no time to deal with that.

so for me, going back to trinidad is not an option right now because of my career and where i will reside.

Yuh could choose which area in T&T you want to reside in if you were originally from a high crime area and really want to return home!

Maybe yuh heart not in it and yuh doh love the country of your birth as much as others who have choosen to return!

far from it, more along the lines of lack of opportunity more than anything else.

you should know, thats why you living in london  8)

Just that you know and don't make wrong assumptions as you usually do, I'm living in London because I have a mission to spread my culture to a wider audience!

It has little to do with crime or lack of opportunity to make a living in T&T!
Yuh hear lie, dat is lie, lie, yuh hear lie. ;D

a big lie breds

socacrocro wants to say that another poster is more patriotic because they moved back to trinidad and because i choose not to move back at this time in my life, i am less patriotic

you should ask socacrocro which part of trini he is from? and when will he be moving back, because he can't say he did more for TT culture than me, another big fat lie, so he can RIDE with his outta timing statement

This man is a certified egomaniac yes!!  ::)

He knows very little of my business other than what I allow him & others here to know but has some crazy jumbie in his head talking to him and telling him that he knows everything!
I’ve got nothing to prove to an insane egomaniac who seems to view himself as King Trini but doh want to return home!!

your a certified hypocrite.

all of a sudden you want to brand me as an egomaniac because i spoke of my contribution to TT society, which counters your falsified argument against me.

you know little of what i have done for TT culture, but your intent on insulting me and saying im not patriotic because i gave my opinion

why don't you answer the questions, or are you afraid to because everyone will see you are talking garbage like usual

You honestly feel I have time to waste arguing with an egomaniac who feels he knows it all?
Everyone who regularly reads your posts knows that description for you fits you spot on!

I’ve seen many folks waste their time trying to have a logical argument with you on this forum and then eventually come to the same conclusion that I have!

Only mad people try to argue with mad people and I won't let you catch me in your loony trap by wasting my precious time answering irrelevant questions that only you believe you know the answers for so take win!  :beermug:


Poor thing...too late :beermug: :devil:

 :D Ah $hit! Yuh probably right, ah still get ketch in the loony trap!!  :-[
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Mr Fix-it on August 16, 2011, 10:02:07 AM
Doh worry many ah man have tried and failed at what you attempted.  Is ah real long list but alyu doh stop on account of me, keep going as this is my mid afternoon popcorn and mauby entertainment  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Socapro on August 16, 2011, 10:23:41 AM
Doh worry many ah man have tried and failed at what you attempted.  Is ah real long list but alyu doh stop on account of me, keep going as this is my mid afternoon popcorn and mauby entertainment  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Yuh laughing?!
I doh have the time to waste on that fella sah, my time too precious!!  :-[
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Mr Fix-it on August 16, 2011, 10:38:12 AM
 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Flex on September 11, 2011, 06:27:35 AM
POS the new Baghdad
United Nations compares T&T murder rate to Iraq
By Camini Marajh (Express)
Head Investigative Desk
Sep 10, 2011.


Trinidad and Tobago now rivals Jamaica as the most violent country in the Caribbean, with the number of annual murders rising sharply from 98 to 550 over the last decade, with some areas in the Port of Spain police division being listed among the most dangerous in the world.

This is the finding of a new United Nations Development Programme (UNDP) draft report on Human Development and Citizen Security in the Caribbean, which noted, among other things, that the murder rate for Port of Spain was comparable to that of Baghdad.

The report also cites information stating that illegal guns are being rented for robbery and murder for as little as $100 an hour.

The report, which is expected to be released later this year, draws on the most comprehensive data on local gangs collected by the Crime and Problem Analysis (CAPA) branch of the Police Service and other detailed analyses, including a survey of 52 gang experts in all of the police districts nationwide and research conducted by Katz and Choate, among others.

An excerpt of the draft 2011 UNDP report which examines the nature and distribution of local gangs, obtained by the Sunday Express, pointed to evidence of some 95 gangs operating in Trinidad and Tobago, with a total membership of 1,269.

An analysis of the data, according to the draft UNDP report, found that the majority of criminal gangs were concentrated in three police divisions, specifically Port of Spain (which includes Belmont, Besson Street, St Clair, Woodbrook and St Barbs), Western (St James, Maraval, Carenage and Diego Martin) and Northern (which includes Arima, Arouca, Tunapuna, Cumuto, Maracas/St Joseph, Piarco, Malabar and Maloney.

Other areas with a notable gang presence include the Eastern division (which includes Sangre Grande, Mathura, Biche, Manzanilla, Mayaro, Matelot, Toco, Rio Claro and Valencia) and the North Eastern division (which includes Morvant, Barataria, San Juan, Santa Cruz, Maracas Bay and Blanchissuese).

Key findings of the report include:

• 26 per cent of local gangs place their "date of origin" prior to 2000, while the remaining groups trace their origin to after 2000.

• 83 per cent of gang members are of African origin, 13 per cent East Indian and four per cent of other ethnic backgrounds. All of the identified gangs are male-dominated and a high 87 per cent are comprised of adults.

• The majority of gangs, 86 per cent, have a group name, while 61 per cent refer to themselves as a gang, 26 per cent as a crew and 4.2 as a clip or unit.

• A large proportion, 88 per cent, claim turf while 75 per cent defend their turf.

• The vast majority, 85 per cent, do not have special symbols or identifying clothing; and almost without exception, illegal activity is accepted by all gang members.

• Two-thirds of the gangs have from six to 50 members, while 95 per cent are made up of Trinidad and Tobago citizens.

• The spatial distribution of crime in Trinidad and Tobago bears a striking similarity to the spatial distribution of gangs.

• An examination of gang-related murders for the period 2001 to 2010 shows that the largest proportion occurred in the Port of Spain division—42.6 per cent; followed by the North Eastern—18.8 per cent; Western—17.8 per cent; and Northern—15.9 per cent) divisions. These areas were also found to have a disproportionately large number of gangs.

The report drew upon the findings of the Besson Street Gang Intelligence History Project, which offered a rare insight into the nature and composition of gangs in Trinidad and Tobago. In this project, 368 gang members were interviewed, with data collected in 2005.

According to the report, the age distribution of the sample gives an indication of the typical age ranges of gang members. The majority of gang members were found to be young adults between the ages of 18 and 45.

More specifically, 26.1 per cent were between the ages of 18 and 21; 25.4 per cent between the ages of 22 and 25; and 33.7 per cent between the ages of 26 and 35. Only a small proportion of the sample—5.3 per cent—was 17 and younger at the time of the interview; whereas eight per cent of the sample was between the ages of 36 and 45; and 1.5 per cent of the sample was between the ages of 46 and 55.

Of the gang members surveyed, 51.4 per cent were previously arrested, with each member having an average of 2.09 arrests.

Arrest data indicate that gang members commit a larger number of crimes than persons who are not in gangs. Police data also show that gang members commit violent offences at three times the rate of people who are not in gangs.

Also, about 26 per cent of gang members were arrested for firearm-related offences, compared to 8.7 per cent of non-gang persons.

Similarly, 15.2 per cent of gang members were arrested for drug trafficking, compared to 3.2 per cent of non-gang members, according to the report which noted a similar over-representation in criminal offences for gang members for property offences, sex crimes and drug use/possession.

The draft report found that the largest proportion of gang-related murders for the period 2001 to 2010

took place in the Port of Spain police division.

Gang-related murders, according to the police data, account for 33 per cent of all murders in Trinidad and Tobago for the last decade.

"It may be the case that many more murders are committed by gang members, though the actual proportion is unknown," the report said, adding: "Given that murder motives are unknown for a large proportion of murders and given the low arrest and conviction rates for murders, it is plausible to assume that gang members may be responsible for at least some of the unsolved murders."

The report's experts found that two-thirds of local gangs are involved in fights with rival groups and that members not only use illegal drugs, but were heavily involved in organised fraud, robbery and other forms of armed violence.

It pointed to the UN Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) and World Bank Report 2007, which found that illegal firearms had become so readily available that potential offenders could rent a gun for as little as $100 an hour.

The link between gangs and firearms was found to be a troubling one by researchers, who noted that firearm use has increased over time for a range of crimes, including murder, wounding with intent and shooting with intent. Data show that for the period 2002 to 2010, a total of 2,421 murders were committed with the use of firearms.

A total of 3,264 murders were committed for this period. The report found that firearms have become the weapon of choice for murders.

Prior to 2000, firearms were used in fewer than one third of all homicides nationally.

The report noted the negative impact of criminal gangs on society: high rates of crime and violence; reduction in work force and reduced productivity; increased burden on State institutions in the health and law enforcement and judicial sectors.

It drew upon the findings of an ECLAC report, which disclosed that the percentage of GDP spent on national security in this country has increased steadily, while welfare expenditure has remained relatively constant.

"The prevalence of gangs in some areas is also related to a decrease in investments in those areas and in reduced opportunities for employment," the report said, adding, "In neighbourhoods such as Laventille, there are no businesses except small shops owned and operated by local residents.

"An added consequence of gang presence in such neighbourhoods is the devaluation of property and land value."

It also leads to the migration of law-abiding citizens and law enforcement personnel to other communities, according to the report.

"This results in a concentration of persons who are either more accepting of gangs or a criminal lifestyle, as well as persons who have no other alternative but to live in such neighbourhoods. This implies that the social controls which may derive from law-abiding persons is continuously weakened in such neighbourhoods.

"Compounding this problem is the fact that there is a reduction or withdrawal of corporate sponsorship for community events or programmes in neighbourhoods with gangs," said the report, noting that "an even more troubling phenomenon is that communities may develop a bond with gangs and their leaders and especially in situations where gang leaders provide assistance to community members".

Research has indicated that criminal gangs may even provide a law enforcement function for some communities. Researcher Katz, examining data in Gonzales, found that gangs had instituted a community court which met weekly and in which community matters, including the disciplining of young males for transgressions against the community, were attended to.

"Indeed, one resident of Gonzales went as far as saying that gangs are the first ones to respond to crime, the police are incompetent, take too long and never finish the work." Residents expressed the view that gang leaders would take care of them.

The draft UNDP report, which presents detailed analyses of crime and approaches to crime-solving, said it may be extremely difficult to encourage residents to relinquish their association with and support for gangs in their area.

"In the case of Gonzales, if residents feel that gangs provide a necessary law enforcement function where the protective services have failed to do so, then similar bonds will develop between the community and gangs. This is an extremely difficult situation since it makes the eradication of gangs much more complicated," said the report.

It said a more long-term solution lies in eliminating the social conditions which encourage the formation of gangs, and which encourage youth to feel they have no alternatives but to gain membership.

"In the case of Trinidad and Tobago, being born into some communities automatically reduces one's life chances since this immediately comes with stigmatisation and labelling provided by the larger society.

"Social development initiatives should seek to encourage the integration of such communities with the wider society so that stereotypes may be broken. Ultimately, young males who feel alienated from mainstream society and the legitimate opportunities which it provides will turn to their communities and the illegitimate opportunities which are provided by gangs or other similar entities," said the report.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Football supporter on September 11, 2011, 11:56:10 AM
Just to turn this discussion upside down, I don't intend to return to UK to live. Despite the many negatives, already noted here, there are many positives.

Also, although the crime situation is bad here, in many ways I feel safer in Trinidad than I do in London. It appears that if you stick to certain areas and routes, you're fairly safe. In fact, I have only ever seen one fight in nearly 5 years in Trinidad. Compare that to almost weekly site of Londoners fighting in the streets.
I would say that my area of London, Hackney is almost as large in area as downtown Port of Spain, and possibly more populous. But in Trini, it appears the gangs stick to predefined areas - their turf - or attack another gangs turf and then retreat. In Hackney, gangs of kids on pushbikes are everywhere, most carrying "shanks" (knives or sharp weapons). They are the drug footsoldiers and enforcers, but also use their numbers to intimidate and rob other youngsters. Drive by shootings are rare, maybe two or three times a year.

So, in my opinion, while violent crime is higher in Trinidad, its more likely to be directed at people in the gang areas. Aripita Avenue, Cipriani Boulevard and Movie Towne are relatively crime free. In fact, I definitely feel more relaxed liming in PoS than in London. People still ask me why I never sit down in bars, and this is an instinct developed in London where a guy may just walk over to you and punch you for some disrespect you showed him....most commonly chatting up his woman or calling his football team sh*t. Of course, you wouldn't knowingly do this, but that's not the point...an English drunk is a fight waiting to happen, while a Trini drunk is a wine waiting to happen.

With regards to living standards, I really haven't taken too well to Trini food, so I long for some English grub such as a "propa breakfast dahn the caff".  I also find the Chinese food here relatively bland. I guess I'm used to traditional English "bland" food, but when I cook for Trinis, they usually love it and find it tasty!

Mostly, I find this is a land of opportunity. As mentioned everywhere on this site, the old school businessmen running the country are generally poor man managers. They don't devolve responsibility and don't understand the concept of delegation. They will give a nice job title, such as brand manager, but this guy has to run everything pass the boss, thereby stifling creativity. Everything is to the bosses taste. Therefore, as an example, marketing means sponsoring a fete. The Trinis returning from overseas are finding it tough to use their experience gained in corporate USA or UK to use in Trini, but its slowly happening. Concepts like Corporate Social Responsibility and Environmental footprint reduction are very slowly being introduced.

I also think employee/employer relations are very, sorry to say this, third world. A contract means nothing. If a boss is unhappy, he will pay people late. The tax system is arcane with people openly trading on the streets without any use for accounts or accountability. This weakens the state and exhibits the government attitude that  "tax is a pain and while we have oil & gas, why bother?" What they don't see is that a proper taxation system creates order and discipline. It would also provide more jobs and more GDP.

Social services are virtually non existant and disabled people are completely disenfranchised and shunned by society. Anyone with difficulty walking or in a wheelchair cannot possibly travel a mile along a footpath (if there is one), safely.

But I see these as opportunities. T&T is a work in progress with an abundant amount of bright, ambitious people. The problem is, there is a glass ceiling put in place by an old school dynasty. TTFF is a perfect example, but the same mentality is prevalent in business and politics. Its like running through quicksand, but I'm convinced, once you can free yourself of the clinging mud, the country will move forward rapidly.

In England, its difficult to make a real difference as there are so many layers of red tape and its far too politically correct. Every sentence must be carefully measured before uttering. This severely slows down the creative process. The freedom of Trinidad & Tobago is the ability to actually reach the decision makers, and once you can get them onside, you can battle through the micro management style. As arcane as some of these businessmen are, like anywhere else in the world, results speak loudly and give you more freedom.

I hope I never lose my enthusiasm for T&T, as I tell people, I consider myself Tringlish. 
 
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Controversial on September 11, 2011, 12:37:45 PM
Just to turn this discussion upside down, I don't intend to return to UK to live. Despite the many negatives, already noted here, there are many positives.

Also, although the crime situation is bad here, in many ways I feel safer in Trinidad than I do in London. It appears that if you stick to certain areas and routes, you're fairly safe. In fact, I have only ever seen one fight in nearly 5 years in Trinidad. Compare that to almost weekly site of Londoners fighting in the streets.
I would say that my area of London, Hackney is almost as large in area as downtown Port of Spain, and possibly more populous. But in Trini, it appears the gangs stick to predefined areas - their turf - or attack another gangs turf and then retreat. In Hackney, gangs of kids on pushbikes are everywhere, most carrying "shanks" (knives or sharp weapons). They are the drug footsoldiers and enforcers, but also use their numbers to intimidate and rob other youngsters. Drive by shootings are rare, maybe two or three times a year.

So, in my opinion, while violent crime is higher in Trinidad, its more likely to be directed at people in the gang areas. Aripita Avenue, Cipriani Boulevard and Movie Towne are relatively crime free. In fact, I definitely feel more relaxed liming in PoS than in London. People still ask me why I never sit down in bars, and this is an instinct developed in London where a guy may just walk over to you and punch you for some disrespect you showed him....most commonly chatting up his woman or calling his football team sh*t. Of course, you wouldn't knowingly do this, but that's not the point...an English drunk is a fight waiting to happen, while a Trini drunk is a wine waiting to happen.

With regards to living standards, I really haven't taken too well to Trini food, so I long for some English grub such as a "propa breakfast dahn the caff".  I also find the Chinese food here relatively bland. I guess I'm used to traditional English "bland" food, but when I cook for Trinis, they usually love it and find it tasty!

Mostly, I find this is a land of opportunity. As mentioned everywhere on this site, the old school businessmen running the country are generally poor man managers. They don't devolve responsibility and don't understand the concept of delegation. They will give a nice job title, such as brand manager, but this guy has to run everything pass the boss, thereby stifling creativity. Everything is to the bosses taste. Therefore, as an example, marketing means sponsoring a fete. The Trinis returning from overseas are finding it tough to use their experience gained in corporate USA or UK to use in Trini, but its slowly happening. Concepts like Corporate Social Responsibility and Environmental footprint reduction are very slowly being introduced.

I also think employee/employer relations are very, sorry to say this, third world. A contract means nothing. If a boss is unhappy, he will pay people late. The tax system is arcane with people openly trading on the streets without any use for accounts or accountability. This weakens the state and exhibits the government attitude that  "tax is a pain and while we have oil & gas, why bother?" What they don't see is that a proper taxation system creates order and discipline. It would also provide more jobs and more GDP.

Social services are virtually non existant and disabled people are completely disenfranchised and shunned by society. Anyone with difficulty walking or in a wheelchair cannot possibly travel a mile along a footpath (if there is one), safely.

But I see these as opportunities. T&T is a work in progress with an abundant amount of bright, ambitious people. The problem is, there is a glass ceiling put in place by an old school dynasty. TTFF is a perfect example, but the same mentality is prevalent in business and politics. Its like running through quicksand, but I'm convinced, once you can free yourself of the clinging mud, the country will move forward rapidly.

In England, its difficult to make a real difference as there are so many layers of red tape and its far too politically correct. Every sentence must be carefully measured before uttering. This severely slows down the creative process. The freedom of Trinidad & Tobago is the ability to actually reach the decision makers, and once you can get them onside, you can battle through the micro management style. As arcane as some of these businessmen are, like anywhere else in the world, results speak loudly and give you more freedom.

I hope I never lose my enthusiasm for T&T, as I tell people, I consider myself Tringlish.

many times as a child i would visit my aunt and uncle(whos english) in clapton common, we would pass through hackney as well, the area was getting rough back then, haven't been recently but i could imagine how it is now.

the healthcare system in trinidad is terrible, as well as safety in TT. I am the type of person who has a problem with being confined to a certain area or restricted movement.

as far as opportunities, there are some in TT that can be taken advantage of but as far as entertainment(film and music) there is zero opporunity for companies looking to go internationally. If you are a fete promoter and have your own mas band, thats the only real opportunities, other than owning a club/restaurant or importing business that offers products not available in TT.

Corporate Social Responsibility and Environmental footprint reduction are new concepts to businessmen and women in TT, for the most part they have a selfish approach to most things in life and it carries through in their business practices.

Dealing with the micro management headache is something many ex pats rather not deal with and have left because their skills are better put to use and valued elsewhere. Not to mention the revenue increase from leaving the shores of trinidad and working for a company or on your own abroad.

300 plus million people to market to, beats 1.3 million
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Flex on January 02, 2013, 06:00:40 AM
Warner’s statistics show marked decline in crime
By Camille Clarke (Guardian).


Security Minister Jack Warner yesterday kept true to his promise and released his crime statistics for 2012. Yesterday’s figures were provided by the T&T Police Service’s DCP Mervyn Richardson. The information was made available through the Crime and Problem Analysis Branch (CAPA). According to CAPA data, there were 352 homicides in 2011 and 377 reported in 2012.
 
However, the statistics revealed that there was an overall decrease in murders from 547 in 2008 and 507 in 2009. The total of homicides that occurred between 2008 and 2012 is 2,256. The report also stated that there was an increase in sexual offences which rose at an alarming peak from a reported 709 in 2011 to 1,020 cases reported to the police last year.
 
Kidnappings also increased from 122 to 180. Burglaries was at an all time high at 5, 276 in 2008 but this was down to 4,262 in 2012. CAPA also reported a decline in larceny of vehicles to 1,029 which was 1,721 at its highest in 2009. Fraud offences were decreased from a high of 245 reported in 2008 to a reported 146 in 2012 and narcotic offences also decreased from 503 in 2008 to 428 last year.
 
Nonetheless, other serious crimes rose from 775 in 2008 when compared to 1,090 last year, CAPA stated. Northern Division lead in serious crimes with a total of 3,088 reports last year and Central not far behind with 3,071. Eastern Division was the lowest with 918 reports of serious crimes last year. Tobago recorded a total of 1,156  serious crimes in 2012.
 
The figures showed that altogether there was a 10 per cent reduction in serious crimes across both islands. The CAPA report claimed a total of 2,112 firearms were seized between 2008 and 2012. These consisted of revolvers, pistols, shotguns, submachine guns, rifles, air rifles, home-made shot guns, trap guns, flare guns and modified firearms.
 
With regard to road fatality figures, there were 188 reports compared with 262 in 2008. However, what is noteable is despite all the reports by CAPA, there was no information given on the police detection rate. On Monday, Warner claimed there was a decrease in serious crimes and homicides during this past year under the watch of the PP government.
 
Warner revealed the statistics after claims that “crime was making a slide, despite what the detractors in the Opposition PNM and certain sectors of the media were preaching.”  The e-mail opened with this greeting from Richardson: “Happy New Year all and may the peace of God be upon you. Thank God there were no murders or serious woundings as a result of shootings for the past hours. There was however one suicide in the Guanapo-Arima area.”
 
Crime statistics 2008-2012
OFFENCES   2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 Total

MURDER 547 507 473 352 377 2,256
WOUNDING/SHOOTING 729 685 623 535 568 3,140
SEXUAL OFFENCE 692 779 456 709 1,020 3,956
KIDNAPPING 143 160 119 122 180 724
BREAK-INS/BURGLARY 4,541 5,276 5,207 4,220 4,262 23,956
ROBBERY 4,721 6,086 5,075 3,718 4,356 23,956
FRAUD OFFENCES 245 264 198 225 146 1,078
GENERAL LARCENY 3,782 3,952 4,058 3,118 3,551 18,461
LARCENY M/VEHICLE 1,635 1,721 1,380 901 1,029 6,666
LARCENY D/HOUSE 426 609 625 481 526 2,667
NARCOTIC OFFENCES 503 521 499 486 428 2,437
OTHER SERIOUS CRIME 775 923 905 1,010 1,090 4,703
TOTAL 18,739 21,933 19,918 15,877 17,533 94,000
 
Serious crime by divisions 2008-2012
Division 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012

Port-of-Spain 3,168 3,286 3,007 2,239 2,487
Southern 3,200 3,312 2,880 2,528 3,072
Western 1,904 2,197 1,839 1,350 1,424
Northern 3,506 4,600 4,151 3,421 3,088
Central 2,400 3,076 3,061 2,351 3,071
South Western 1,333 1,298 1,401 998 979
Eastern 1,079 1,324 1,063 746 918
North Eastern 1,092 1,825 1,589 1,305 1,338
Tobago 1,057 1,015 927 939 1,156
 
Serious crime by divisions 2008-2012
Firearms seized (2008 to 2012):

2012 391
2011 425
2010 382
2009 482
2008 432

Road Fatalities (2008 to 2012):
2008 262
2009 222
2010 206
2011 181
2012 188

(http://guardian.co.tt/sites/default/files/field/image/stats.png)
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Deeks on January 02, 2013, 04:24:18 PM
hip hip!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Flex on January 17, 2013, 05:32:08 AM
Murders rising
By Nalinee Seelal and STACY MOORE (Newsday).
Thursday, January 17 2013


THE COUNTRY’S murder rate continues to rise even as the police and National Security Minister Jack Warner insist that action will be taken.

Newsday has been told of three unrelated incidents in which a retiree was shot dead while having breakfast, a Guyanese national was gunned down and a teen died in hospital shortly after being shot.

In the first incident, 73-year-old Pascal Romero, a pensioner who retired after working several years at the Ministry of Agriculture, was at his Carapo, Arima home yesterday morning having breakfast with his wife Joyce.

While conversing in the kitchen which adjoins his home in Passion Lane, a man walked into the kitchen and greeted Romero and Joyce. Without warning, the man pointed a gun at the elderly man and opened fire. As Joyce screamed, the gunman fled the scene.

Romero, who was shot several times in his chest died on the floor in his kitchen. A team of officers coordinated by Snr Supt David Abraham, led by Supt Baldeo Nanan and Insp Wayne Baptiste visited the scene and carried out an unsuccessful search for the gunman.

Police got a description of the killer as being in his early 30s, wearing a cap, white short sleeve shirt, dark jeans, clean shaven with short hair and of African descent.

Romero’s relatives described him as a kind and generous person. Joyce was inconsolable at the scene yesterday and declined to be interviewed.

Carapo was identified on Tuesday by Warner as being one of the country’s hot spot crime areas. Joint police/army patrols have commenced in that area. No arrest has been made up to press time.

In the second murder, on Tuesday night Guyanese national Tyron Emmanuel, 28, was shot and killed in front of his Arena Road, Freeport home. He was shot once in the chest and his body found in the garage near his apartment home.

At about 10 pm, Emmanuel was entering the apartment with a suitcase filled with clothing clutched in his hand when neighbours were alerted by a single gunshot. A black Toyota Corolla car was then seen speeding off.

The police were called in and officers later found Emmanuel’s body. His landlord Paul Ramsumair told Newsday that Emmanuel lived at the apartment for the past six years. He lived alone, kept to himself and was generally a quiet and respectful person, Ramsumair said.

The landlord said Emmanuel may have been shot by bandits who thought the suitcase contained money or some other valuables. He was walking with this suitcase in his hand and these people probably thought he now came from abroad and had money and decided to kill him. This is the state of this country now,” Ramsumair said. Newsday was told Emmanuel worked as a bartender at Hi Way to Heaven Bar in Freeport. No arrest has been made.

In the third incident, 17-year-old Quincy Proster died shortly after midday yesterday after being shot three times by a gunman near his Morvant home. Police said that shortly after midday, Proster was standing at Cipriani Street in Morvant when he was approached by the gunman who shot him in the chest, at point blank range before running off.

Proster was rushed to the Port-of-Spain General Hospital where he died while undergoing emergency surgery. These three killings have pushed the murder toll to 21 for the year. For the same period last year, there were 23 murders.

Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: asylumseeker on January 29, 2013, 07:18:45 PM
Father stabbed to death for bumping into women

 By Gyasi Gonzales gyasi.gonzales@trinidadexpress.com


Story Created: Jan 28, 2013 at 9:55 PM ECT
(Story Updated: Jan 29, 2013 at 7:56 AM ECT )


THE FAMILY of a Sea Lots man who was stabbed to death after he bumped into a group of women along the Brian Lara Promenade, in Port of Spain are pleading with the police to solve the crime.
 
Akil Adams, 22, of Production Avenue, a father of one, was stabbed to the chest during the confrontation and succumbed to his injuries at the Port of Spain General Hospital on Saturday.
 
The victim's sister, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, however, described him as one of the most peaceful people she had ever known.
 
"He is not into this fighting thing because I know for a fact that he usually loses any fight he gets into," she said.  ???
 
She said the family was originally from Point Fortin and his funeral will be scheduled for this week at a Point Fortin church.
 
"I really want the police to solve this case because my brother did not deserve to die like this," she added.
 
According to the police around 1.30 a.m. last Saturday, Adams and a friend were walking west along the Promenade near First Citizens bank's Promenade Branch when Adams reportedly bumped into a group of women.
 
The women were accompanied by a man who sported several gold teeth, police said.
 
During an argument between the two groups, Adams was held by the man while one of the women took out a small knife from her purse and stabbed Adams to the left side of his chest puncturing his lungs and heart, according to an eyewitness.
 
Adams's friend was also beaten during the confrontation, police said.

The injured man was taken to hospital by a truck driver while the assailants ran away, police said. Adams died around 9 a.m. on Saturday.
 
An autopsy yesterday at the Forensic Science Centre, St James, confirmed that Adams died as a result of a single stab wound to the chest.
 
His killing has taken the murder toll to 32, according to an Express tally. The toll for the same period last year stood at 33.
 
Homicide Bureau officers are continuing investigations.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Sam on February 13, 2013, 05:49:32 AM
(http://newsday.co.tt/galeria/13-2a__BUSS_HEAD.jpg)

INJURED: An NCC (National Carnival Commission) security official assists a man, later identified as being a tourist, after he was struck in his head by persons unknown during Carnival celebrations indowntown Port-of-Spain yesterday (2013).
Author: SUREASH CHOLAI

Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: just cool on February 13, 2013, 10:58:05 PM
Them boy and dem have tuh stop fackin wid the tourist dem, they come to bring revenue to the island, weh wrong wid allyuh??

no body eh saying yuh have tuh kiss dey arse, but allyuh doh fack wid the ppl nah man!  why my ppl soooo fackin stupid??
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Debbie on March 06, 2014, 04:21:09 AM
Maybe not or not at the moment.

Not only because of the crime, but the corruption and the law.

Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: elan on March 06, 2014, 11:06:53 AM
Many people that I went to college with have or is in the process of moving back home. These are late 20s - early 30s people with Undergrad and graduate degrees.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on March 06, 2014, 11:42:52 AM
Maybe not or not at the moment.

Not only because of the crime, but the corruption and the law.



Doh 4get Health Care a neighbour of ours died a few years ago of Dengue my sis say that just kept her in the US 4 additional 10 years. Worse  yet now where she living in a hot state.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: lefty on March 06, 2014, 01:03:42 PM
my cousin likes being here once she is here, but never wants to work here ever in her career again, even with the pace of things on the outside, she prefers the very narrow latitude for bullshit and unnecessary inefficiencies over there that we seem to glorify as part of our culture over here..........take me for instance d year chelsea won the champions league, I left work both semifinal games to watch dat.....on mih way home pass in royal bank sando to see ah fren......I wukkin POS so invariable d question comes "what u doing here so early" to which I smugly reply "ah sick!", intentionally obvious lie............wit ah judging "screw" on she face she asks "what u have" to which I again reply, again smugly "chelsea v barca"...............a security guard standing wit she nearly choke and den ask mih "wahis d cough for dat" ... she then adds "public servants eh"........all dat to say, it have plenty people would like to be home, even wit d crime, but prefer d work ethic on d outside and also find that said work ethic generally leads to greater challenges and by extension opportunity.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Michael-j on March 06, 2014, 01:46:07 PM
On the flip side, would you leave T&T now to start over somewhere else?  A pardna of mine in his early 30's got his Canadian permanent resident visa, quit his managerial position at a leading private-sector company, sold all his shit and flew up to the "greener pastures" of Toronto......2 years later he is yet to find a job, living in his sister's basement and counting his pennies.....
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: fari on March 06, 2014, 02:52:38 PM
lefty i agree with that...i am in a whatsapp group with some friends and i know some of them abuse time off and sick leave etc.  up here that is no joke, you have a certain number of hours and that's that.

michael-j  some of my friends did the canada thing also...they finding it hard in tronto, buying houses in the city as hard if not harder than in trinidad....i often wonder about folks who went university homeand worked for a while before deciding eff this VS ppl like me who went university abroad and settled down but now thinking about coming home..
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Toppa on March 06, 2014, 05:22:52 PM
On the flip side, would you leave T&T now to start over somewhere else?  A pardna of mine in his early 30's got his Canadian permanent resident visa, quit his managerial position at a leading private-sector company, sold all his shit and flew up to the "greener pastures" of Toronto......2 years later he is yet to find a job, living in his sister's basement and counting his pennies.....

Why he didn't try to secure a job before he did all of that? People doh tink yes. And ah sure is pride keeping him in Canada.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: davyjenny1 on March 07, 2014, 12:39:34 AM
A big Lack of medical care.

The piggish ways.

Skipping the lines at the grocery markets/stores.

Slow in handling business matters. one eg: They always telling you to come back, why not try to make and effort to fix the issue right there and then.

Too much Corruption.

I can go on an on....

I eh going dey to live at all, at all...

Who want to go could go but I eh going no wey....

Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: ProudTrinbagonian on March 07, 2014, 08:26:33 AM
.they finding it hard in tronto, buying houses in the city as hard if not harder than in trinidad

On the flip side, would you leave T&T now to start over somewhere else?  A pardna of mine in his early 30's got his Canadian permanent resident visa, quit his managerial position at a leading private-sector company, sold all his shit and flew up to the "greener pastures" of Toronto......2 years later he is yet to find a job, living in his sister's basement and counting his pennies.....

Why he didn't try to secure a job before he did all of that? People doh tink yes. And ah sure is pride keeping him in Canada.


Canada not easy, it takes a lot of work or luck to make it here
People who say they go help you out, don't do anything.  The trini community is a joke.  Always jealous of each other success.  Unlike the Greeks, Jews, Italians, Sikhs and Chinese which do a better job of looking out for their own community.

Anyway, if people choosing to go to Canada, they choosing to catch hell for a few years before things pick up.  Not to mention 8 out of 12 months you lock up in your house cuz it too cold.  It have it pros like everywhere else, but grass not always greener. 
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Jah Gol on March 07, 2014, 09:50:16 AM
A few things:

You won't experience bad service everywhere in T&T and you won't experience good service everywhere in places where our Diaspora reside. I would say there are pockets of organisations trying to improve as well... small pockets.

While the economy is barely growing they did arrest the decline ,albeit 3 years later than most of Latin America.

Gas and electricity real cheap. Even when they remove the subsidy entirely it will still be cheaper than most places.

The hot weather though uncomfortable isn't depressing like a bad winter. Wearing plenty clothes all the time is tiring. And their heat in the summer is worse than ours. At least we get some breeze.

Trinidadians are not as nice as we think we are. We could be very discourteous and abrasive to strangers.

I don't think we understand just how bad our traffic problem is and how that affects our quality of life.

House prices are ridiculously high and that market doesn't obey the rules of market forces. They just rise perpetually. People used to say renting is throwing money down a hole. Today renting is becoming a very viable option. A young can could more easily rent, buy a car and have something to save than qualify for a mortgage.

T&T is a who-you-know/gimme-gimme society. We believe in corruption so much that we are willing ignore it when it benefits us.  Not saying corruption doesn't exist in developed countries ( see Detroit and  Chicago) but we are perfecting the art.

We are stuck because we consider 'culture' to be sacrosanct. Any criticism of the way we do things means you're against Trinidadian culture and you're accordingly derided.



I understand perfectly why some people prefer to live abroad and visit home. If you have a decent job out there you will enjoy a very good life and still be able to run home to get some sun and soca.

I love my country . I honestly feel that the more quality people leave the shittier it will get.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: 100% Barataria on March 07, 2014, 03:51:13 PM
Good post JG   :beermug:
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: kounty on March 07, 2014, 06:46:11 PM
The posts on this thread are getting to a higher level. I've been thinking of this for many, many years now. Home is paradise. It is everything that I love and makes me feel good. One thing I struggle with is that it don't seem like Trini as a society really about anything. Or maybe I am lost by being in babylon too long.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: elan on March 07, 2014, 07:52:08 PM
The posts on this thread are getting to a higher level. I've been thinking of this for many, many years now. Home is paradise. It is everything that I love and makes me feel good. One thing I struggle with is that it don't seem like Trini as a society really about anything. Or maybe I am lost by being in babylon too long.

I have been asking myself that same question about out here. I look at people who "have it all" and people "who doh have anything" and wonder what's this society about.  I don't know, but sometime here I feel like I'm spinning top on mud.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: kounty on March 08, 2014, 08:03:44 PM
I have been asking myself that same question about out here. I look at people who "have it all" and people "who doh have anything" and wonder what's this society about.  I don't know, but sometime here I feel like I'm spinning top on mud.

you don't find anybody around who have similar views on what you trying to do?
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: ribbit on March 09, 2014, 07:20:47 PM
On the flip side, would you leave T&T now to start over somewhere else?  A pardna of mine in his early 30's got his Canadian permanent resident visa, quit his managerial position at a leading private-sector company, sold all his shit and flew up to the "greener pastures" of Toronto......2 years later he is yet to find a job, living in his sister's basement and counting his pennies.....

Why he didn't try to secure a job before he did all of that? People doh tink yes. And ah sure is pride keeping him in Canada.

canada have a entrenched protectionist streak. dey have all kind of engineer and doctor driving cab in TO. lining up a job in this economy in canada in toronto eh easy. alberta is a bit easier but it slowing down. anyway, this generation doh have it easy at all for that first job.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: weary1969 on March 12, 2014, 10:43:11 AM
Hospital horrors for highway crash victims
...say they were asked to find own transportation from Chaguanas Health Centre to Mt Hope becasue the x-ray equipment was not working. Case to be investigated by North Central Regional Health Authority
By INNIS FRANCIS innis.francis@trinidadexpress.com

FOUR people who survived a highway crash that killed
their American friend last Friday, were dropped off at the
Chaguanas Health Centre by fire fighters, then told by a nurse to
find their own way to the Mt Hope Hospital for further
treatment.

The victims, who had to telephone a friend to get transportation,
said they are outraged by the callous way they were treated.
Told of the incident, chairman of the North Central Regional Health
Authority (NCRHA) Dr Shehenaz Mohammed apologised and
asked that the group write a formal complaint so it could be
investigated.

New Yorker Ernst Lorquet, 37, died last Friday morning, when the mini bus in which he was a passenger, crashed when a trye blew
while travelling along the north bound lane of the Uriah Butler Highway near the Divali Nagar site.

Surviving the crash were Janella Lashley, 31, brothers Wayne, 45, and Corey Young, 38, Jamila Hoyte, and driver Andre Roseman. The group were on their way to the Tobago Ferry Terminal, in Port of Spain to take the boat to Tobago to spend the weekend.

Lashley, who was visiting from Barbados, said she had never felt so insulted by any government worker, when she and the other victims were taken to the Chaguanas Health Facility. She said when they got there at around 5.30a.m. a nurse said the hospital was closed and the x-ray machine was not working.

Lashley said: “A nurse in a white uniform told us we had to go to Mt Hope for them to perform the x-ray there. The nurse said it was only 15 minutes away to that hospital. They said (Hoyte) had a broken arm and she was the only person that could be transported in the one ambulance that was available"

Lashley said Hoyte’s boyfriend begged to accompany her in the ambulance but the nurse said she was over 18-years-old and there was no need for anyone to accompany her. Lashley said she called a friend who took an hour to get to the Chaguanas hospital. It was only then, that the four were taken to Mt Hope.

Lashley "we had to deal with all of this knowing that our friend had died. The health system in Trinidad is messed up. I have never experienced so much disrespect and unprofessionalism in all my life".

Mohammed said that a team of NCRHA board members, and staff from Chaguanas Mayor’s office visited the Chaguanas health facility only one day before the incident to discuss “poor staff attitude and the radiology equipment.”

She said: “It is quite disturbing that this has happened a day after we visited. We would like the patients to write a formal complaint to the hospital’s CEO outlining what had happen. We are beyond talk now. We talked enough. The patients have to help us manage and fix the problems. There is much more good than bad there, but bad is not acceptable. We have to improve the bad or remove it.”

Lashley left for Barbados yesterday.
The Young brothers, are US nationals living in Brooklyn. Wayne Young is being treated at the Gulf View Medical Centre, for serious injuries to the right leg, and it is costing $1000 a day, he said.
Corey Young, Roseman and Hoyte are being treated at the Mt Hope Hospital.

Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: NYtriniwhiteboy.. on March 12, 2014, 05:16:35 PM
mt hope ct machine was down for a while and all were comin into POS..
Still think our Xray machine down in POS and only the AandE one working. We send the outpatients to st james for xrays

2 months in and every day i shocked at how comfortable our seniors seem to be with the inefficiencies of the system at POSGh (can't speak for anywhere else)
Simple changes could make massive differences
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: soccerman on March 12, 2014, 07:20:35 PM
mt hope ct machine was down for a while and all were comin into POS..
Still think our Xray machine down in POS and only the AandE one working. We send the outpatients to st james for xrays

2 months in and every day i shocked at how comfortable our seniors seem to be with the inefficiencies of the system at POSGh (can't speak for anywhere else)
Simple changes could make massive differences

That right there is sad. I hope you could one to recommend the required changes once you gain some experience under your belt because it seems like we take things for granted :beermug:
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Controversial on March 13, 2014, 11:58:03 AM
by the votes and responses people are not in a rush to go home... cant blame them

with the police and hospitals in the state they are, who wants to risk it...

when the nation get their act together, then people will come back but then again, what the hell will you do? there won't be enough jobs for everyone, unless you plan to retire or open a business... if all the trini ex pats went back home it would be chaos... people would have to fight for jobs and the island is too small with little opportunities...
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: fari on March 27, 2014, 07:35:13 PM
The posts on this thread are getting to a higher level. I've been thinking of this for many, many years now. Home is paradise. It is everything that I love and makes me feel good. One thing I struggle with is that it don't seem like Trini as a society really about anything. Or maybe I am lost by being in babylon too long.

I have been asking myself that same question about out here. I look at people who "have it all" and people "who doh have anything" and wonder what's this society about.  I don't know, but sometime here I feel like I'm spinning top on mud.

how long you outside kounty...i out here 15 years ...i can't believe is so long
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: fari on March 27, 2014, 07:37:49 PM
by the votes and responses people are not in a rush to go home... cant blame them

with the police and hospitals in the state they are, who wants to risk it...

when the nation get their act together, then people will come back but then again, what the hell will you do? there won't be enough jobs for everyone, unless you plan to retire or open a business... if all the trini ex pats went back home it would be chaos... people would have to fight for jobs and the island is too small with little opportunities...
by the votes and responses people are not in a rush to go home... cant blame them

with the police and hospitals in the state they are, who wants to risk it...

when the nation get their act together, then people will come back but then again, what the hell will you do? there won't be enough jobs for everyone, unless you plan to retire or open a business... if all the trini ex pats went back home it would be chaos... people would have to fight for jobs and the island is too small with little opportunities...

i would think that some have to go home though, if only to try to force change from within.  nytriniwhiteboy is just one of a few pres doctors that i know of who trained and studied abroad and went back home to work.  one of my old schoolmates complains alot (he trained in canada). i for one willing to go back home at least or a little while if the right conditions (i.e. job in my field) present themselves
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Jah Gol on April 07, 2014, 04:30:41 PM
Just an addition to a previous point

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John and Mary have a baby on the way. They currently rent an apartment in western Trinidad for close to $4,000 a month. They have been living there for the past two years. They have been married for 4, but have been together for closer to 10. Both are educated professionals in their early 30s with a combined montly income of above $20,000, have good credit and a track record of repaying their loans. But Mary says it seems this is not enough to qualify for financing for a home of their own.

http://www.guardian.co.tt/business-guardian/2014-04-06/middle-class-syndrome-homeownership-possibility
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: asylumseeker on May 02, 2014, 04:16:56 AM
On the flip side, would you leave T&T now to start over somewhere else?  A pardna of mine in his early 30's got his Canadian permanent resident visa, quit his managerial position at a leading private-sector company, sold all his shit and flew up to the "greener pastures" of Toronto......2 years later he is yet to find a job, living in his sister's basement and counting his pennies.....

There's this ... (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/01/upshot/canadians-have-plenty-of-concerns-but-also-a-sense-theyre-better-off.html?_r=0)
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Sam on May 02, 2014, 09:06:42 AM
On the flip side, would you leave T&T now to start over somewhere else?  A pardna of mine in his early 30's got his Canadian permanent resident visa, quit his managerial position at a leading private-sector company, sold all his shit and flew up to the "greener pastures" of Toronto......2 years later he is yet to find a job, living in his sister's basement and counting his pennies.....

Yea, but calculate de per capital, add de crime, de police brutality, de schooling and then de corruption by all de leaders and see where better.

T&T have temporary construction jobs and most of de time, de Chinese sucking that up to.

No long term plans for the youths of T&T and de older heads on a power trip.

Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: congo on May 02, 2014, 10:56:11 AM
They all suffer from delusions of grandeur. Case in point Robinson's prolonged send off
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: elan on May 02, 2014, 08:07:20 PM
T&T problem is people like alyuh who could only point to problems. "Whey look at that how bad, look at this how bad." Hell close alyuh eyes nah.

Lift ah fricking finger to help nah. Wait, leh me guess " dem eh wah no help."
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: congo on May 02, 2014, 09:19:36 PM
Homie, are you green? Do you know what was the biggest talking point in the country today? Bunji and Fay ann's appearance on 106 and park. Another one was why was Fay Ann there in the first place. All this occuring during a time when the Attorney General is being accused of fraud and misbehaviour in public office. These people see what they want to see. How much times can you try to educate a people.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: elan on May 03, 2014, 06:33:28 PM
Homie, are you green? Do you know what was the biggest talking point in the country today? Bunji and Fay ann's appearance on 106 and park. Another one was why was Fay Ann there in the first place. All this occuring during a time when the Attorney General is being accused of fraud and misbehaviour in public office. These people see what they want to see. How much times can you try to educate a people.

So what if people talking about Bunji and Fay Ann what wrong with that. They should sit and brood. Over half of the US population ignorant about their politics, so what. Most doh even bother to vote. Look how many ah dem still believe that Obama eh have a US birth
certificate.

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Note: While final exact figures for 2012 are yet to be calculated, the Bipartisan Research Center has stated that turnout for 2012 was 57.5 percent of the eligible voters, which they claim was a decline from 2008. They estimate that as a percent of eligible voters, turn out was: 2000, 54.2%; in 2004 60.4%; 2008 62.3%; and 2012 57.5%.[3] These were the same figures as given by the Center for the Study of the American Electorate.[4]
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Controversial on May 03, 2014, 10:30:01 PM
carnival is good for me... dealing with locals is like hitting your head against a wall... most back home feel they know what is best, not willing to listen to advice and work together as a team, trini breeds individuals and not teams... why would you go back to that?

what is there to gain from know it alls and people who say one thing and the next day they don't follow through... most back home like it the way it is... hence the monopoly, bc if they keep it that way, less competition and it keeps out the ex pats from coming back...
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: AB.Trini on May 04, 2014, 02:52:36 PM
Just came back on Wednesday after about two weeks- Trinidad and Tobago holiday- I moved about from East West North South of both islands with relative ease. Enjoyed the beaches and the movements in social activities. Now would I move back- big big decision- why? Well for one,  home is not the same as I knew it nor did I expect things to remain static. I have come to accept many of the ways in which daily interactions and business is conducted in the home culture. Know different has certainly  impacted my views. However, the intrinsic feelings of being in what seems like and feels like a part of you is indescribable.

On the other hand, there remains the overhanging 'cloud' of having to  live with your confined home as if you were in a self imposed prison. That is disheartening. I am not sure that given my 'senior' citizen' age that I could take on the copious line ups in government  and banking institutions nor the bureaucracy associated with getting official things completed. That to me would mean adjusting once more to ' how things get done' simply put.

Given all things- if I had the access to a house and the amenities as I now have, I would seriously consider moving back to TnT. I enjoy the ease of social interactions- the familiar- the opportunities to  sporting and cultural events- the weekend beach limes and the people.

Take away the 'dark cloud' of prevailing crime and yes most definitely I could see myself enjoying the homeland.
Title: Re: Will you return home to live ?
Post by: Socapro on May 04, 2014, 02:57:07 PM
Just came back on Wednesday after about two weeks- Trinidad and Tobago holiday- I moved about from East West North South of both islands with relative ease. Enjoyed the beaches and the movements in social activities. Now would I move back- big big decision- why? Well for one,  home is not the same as I knew it nor did I expect things to remain static. I have come to accept many of the ways in which daily interactions and business is conducted in the home culture. Know different has certainly  impacted my views. However, the intrinsic feelings of being in what seems like and feels like a part of you is indescribable.

On the other hand, there remains the overhanging 'cloud' of having to  live with your confined home as if you were in a self imposed prison. That is disheartening. I am not sure that given my 'senior' citizen' age that I could take on the copious line ups in government  and banking institutions nor the bureaucracy associated with getting official things completed. That to me would mean adjusting once more to ' how things get done' simply put.

Given all things- if I had the access to a house and the amenities as I now have, I would seriously consider moving back to TnT. I enjoy the ease of social interactions- the familiar- the opportunities to  sporting and cultural events- the weekend beach limes and the people.

Take away the 'dark cloud' of prevailing crime and yes most definitely I could see myself enjoying the homeland.
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