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Title: Best and most pleasant World cup Surprise (s)
Post by: giggsy11 on July 04, 2010, 01:24:58 PM
Since we have the biggest disappointment I thought I would create an opposite thread.

Germany and it's young but talented team and how they have dealt with all that have come before them.

Forlan elevating his game and his doing whatever it takes to contribute to the success of his country.

Ghana.

Title: Re: Best and most pleasant World cup Surprise (s)
Post by: Peong on July 04, 2010, 01:27:37 PM
Many surprising results, Spain vs Switzerland, New Zealand vs Italy, Mexico vs France, Algeria vs England, Serbia vs Germany.
These results made the group battles more interesting.
Title: Re: Best and most pleasant World cup Surprise (s)
Post by: ribbit on July 04, 2010, 04:21:52 PM
A real surprise to me is the great TV ratings in de USA. Ah mean is "soccer" in South Africa. Despite the Glen Becks, the interest is strong.
Title: Re: Best and most pleasant World cup Surprise (s)
Post by: Jah Gol on July 04, 2010, 04:31:07 PM
Ayew. It's a pity he missed out on the quarter final through a dubious yellow card and even worse that his team lost.
Title: Re: Best and most pleasant World cup Surprise (s)
Post by: palos on July 04, 2010, 08:22:07 PM
For me...it's a tie between Diego Forlan & Sami Khedira

Forlan still gets nowhere near the credit or recognition he deserves.  Mostly based on the below par time he spent at Man United.  He get written off as a shithong.  But Forlan is a serious player and he has shown that he belongs right up there with the best in the game right now, essentially taking this Uruguay team on his back.  I'm so happy for him that's he's shining on this the biggest of stages.

Khedira has seamlessly slotted into the Michael Ballack role with Germany and seriously.....there is an argument that instad of Germany heaping abuse on Kevin Prince Boateng for injuring Ballack causing him to miss the World Cup, they should be thanking him.  Because the possibility is great that Ballack, based on his form with Chelsea the past 2 seasons may not have been as effective as Khedira has been on this team.  A real compliment to the young man.

The other player who was a pleasant surprise to me has been Schweisteiger.  I thought he went missing the first 2 Germany games but in the games against England and Argentina, he's been the driving force of the German team.  Schweinsteiger literally ran through the Argentinian defence with impunity.  It's nice to see such a talented player mature on the big stage.

I read somewhere where someone said that Maradona concentrated so much on Ozil that he put Mascherano to man mark him, which was mainly effective because Ozil had a fairly quiet game, despite the wonderful pass for the 4th goal.  But the fact that Maradona surrounded Mascherano with De Maria, Maxi Rodriguez, and Messi, essentially offensive players, that it left Schweinsteiger the freedom of Cape Town to do as he pleased.  He practically destroyed Argentina.

Title: Re: Best and most pleasant World cup Surprise (s)
Post by: Sando prince on July 04, 2010, 09:55:25 PM
 :D Netherlands Comes Back to Beat Brazil..http://soccer.fanhouse.com/2010/07/02/netherlands-come-back-to-beat-brazil/
Title: Re: Best and most pleasant World cup Surprise (s)
Post by: Bitter on July 04, 2010, 09:58:53 PM
There Is A God! Larissa Riquelme Says She Will Strip For Paraguay  ;D
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/415479-there-is-a-god-larissa-riquelme-says-she-will-strip-for-paraguay
Title: Re: Best and most pleasant World cup Surprise (s)
Post by: Bakes on July 05, 2010, 12:24:10 AM
For me...it's a tie between Diego Forlan & Sami Khedira

Forlan still gets nowhere near the credit or recognition he deserves.  Mostly based on the below par time he spent at Man United.  He get written off as a shithong.  But Forlan is a serious player and he has shown that he belongs right up there with the best in the game right now, essentially taking this Uruguay team on his back.  I'm so happy for him that's he's shining on this the biggest of stages.

Khedira has seamlessly slotted into the Michael Ballack role with Germany and seriously.....there is an argument that instad of Germany heaping abuse on Kevin Prince Boateng for injuring Ballack causing him to miss the World Cup, they should be thanking him.  Because the possibility is great that Ballack, based on his form with Chelsea the past 2 seasons may not have been as effective as Khedira has been on this team.  A real compliment to the young man.

The other player who was a pleasant surprise to me has been Schweisteiger.  I thought he went missing the first 2 Germany games but in the games against England and Argentina, he's been the driving force of the German team.  Schweinsteiger literally ran through the Argentinian defence with impunity.  It's nice to see such a talented player mature on the big stage.

I read somewhere where someone said that Maradona concentrated so much on Ozil that he put Mascherano to man mark him, which was mainly effective because Ozil had a fairly quiet game, despite the wonderful pass for the 4th goal.  But the fact that Maradona surrounded Mascherano with De Maria, Maxi Rodriguez, and Messi, essentially offensive players, that it left Schweinsteiger the freedom of Cape Town to do as he pleased.  He practically destroyed Argentina.



Not sure why you surprised... Schweinsteiger essentially did the same thing four years ago in Germany.  Like Klose he's had tepid club campaigns since, but he's been a key cog in the German machine... the departure of Ballack forced Loew's hand and needing dynamism in the middle, Schweinsteiger, now Khedira... was the path thru which they opted to channel the German offense.
Title: Re: Best and most pleasant World cup Surprise (s)
Post by: sammy on July 05, 2010, 04:35:19 AM
For me...it's a tie between Diego Forlan & Sami Khedira

Forlan still gets nowhere near the credit or recognition he deserves.  Mostly based on the below par time he spent at Man United.  He get written off as a shithong.  But Forlan is a serious player and he has shown that he belongs right up there with the best in the game right now, essentially taking this Uruguay team on his back.  I'm so happy for him that's he's shining on this the biggest of stages.

Khedira has seamlessly slotted into the Michael Ballack role with Germany and seriously.....there is an argument that instad of Germany heaping abuse on Kevin Prince Boateng for injuring Ballack causing him to miss the World Cup, they should be thanking him.  Because the possibility is great that Ballack, based on his form with Chelsea the past 2 seasons may not have been as effective as Khedira has been on this team.  A real compliment to the young man.

The other player who was a pleasant surprise to me has been Schweisteiger.  I thought he went missing the first 2 Germany games but in the games against England and Argentina, he's been the driving force of the German team.  Schweinsteiger literally ran through the Argentinian defence with impunity.  It's nice to see such a talented player mature on the big stage.

I read somewhere where someone said that Maradona concentrated so much on Ozil that he put Mascherano to man mark him, which was mainly effective because Ozil had a fairly quiet game, despite the wonderful pass for the 4th goal.  But the fact that Maradona surrounded Mascherano with De Maria, Maxi Rodriguez, and Messi, essentially offensive players, that it left Schweinsteiger the freedom of Cape Town to do as he pleased.  He practically destroyed Argentina.



have to agree with u there, esp forlan. The man dragged his side to the semis and maybe further.
Title: Re: Best and most pleasant World cup Surprise (s)
Post by: Touches on July 05, 2010, 08:59:19 AM
New Zealand....after watching them vs Bahrain I wrote them off as a shit side.

They exited the tournament without losing a match.

As a small side they rep extremely well.

Title: Re: Best and most pleasant World cup Surprise (s)
Post by: weary1969 on July 05, 2010, 08:40:59 PM
New Zealand....after watching them vs Bahrain I wrote them off as a shit side.

They exited the tournament without losing a match.

As a small side they rep extremely well.



CO-SIGNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
Title: Re: Best and most pleasant World cup Surprise (s)
Post by: Observer on July 06, 2010, 08:20:08 AM
For me...it's a tie between Diego Forlan & Sami Khedira

Forlan still gets nowhere near the credit or recognition he deserves.  Mostly based on the below par time he spent at Man United.  He get written off as a shithong.  But Forlan is a serious player and he has shown that he belongs right up there with the best in the game right now, essentially taking this Uruguay team on his back.  I'm so happy for him that's he's shining on this the biggest of stages.

Khedira has seamlessly slotted into the Michael Ballack role with Germany and seriously.....there is an argument that instad of Germany heaping abuse on Kevin Prince Boateng for injuring Ballack causing him to miss the World Cup, they should be thanking him.  Because the possibility is great that Ballack, based on his form with Chelsea the past 2 seasons may not have been as effective as Khedira has been on this team.  A real compliment to the young man.

The other player who was a pleasant surprise to me has been Schweisteiger.  I thought he went missing the first 2 Germany games but in the games against England and Argentina, he's been the driving force of the German team.  Schweinsteiger literally ran through the Argentinian defence with impunity.  It's nice to see such a talented player mature on the big stage.

I read somewhere where someone said that Maradona concentrated so much on Ozil that he put Mascherano to man mark him, which was mainly effective because Ozil had a fairly quiet game, despite the wonderful pass for the 4th goal.  But the fact that Maradona surrounded Mascherano with De Maria, Maxi Rodriguez, and Messi, essentially offensive players, that it left Schweinsteiger the freedom of Cape Town to do as he pleased.  He practically destroyed Argentina.



I agree with this piece. Ballack injury was a blessing is disguise. Was it not Ballack who was so critical of Low that the Federation made him publicly apologize
Title: Re: Best and most pleasant World cup Surprise (s)
Post by: Pointman on July 06, 2010, 06:42:41 PM
Uruguay surprised the shyte out of me especially because of the way they qualified etc. Forlan really elevated his game. I knew Ghana would have done well. They were my African team from the beginning. Too bad about that Uruguay business. I really wish Slovenia had gone further, they looked good to me.
Title: Re: Best and most pleasant World cup Surprise (s)
Post by: trinindian on July 06, 2010, 07:05:50 PM
For me...it's a tie between Diego Forlan & Sami Khedira

Forlan still gets nowhere near the credit or recognition he deserves.  Mostly based on the below par time he spent at Man United.  He get written off as a shithong.  But Forlan is a serious player and he has shown that he belongs right up there with the best in the game right now, essentially taking this Uruguay team on his back.  I'm so happy for him that's he's shining on this the biggest of stages.

Khedira has seamlessly slotted into the Michael Ballack role with Germany and seriously.....there is an argument that instad of Germany heaping abuse on Kevin Prince Boateng for injuring Ballack causing him to miss the World Cup, they should be thanking him.  Because the possibility is great that Ballack, based on his form with Chelsea the past 2 seasons may not have been as effective as Khedira has been on this team.  A real compliment to the young man.

The other player who was a pleasant surprise to me has been Schweisteiger.  I thought he went missing the first 2 Germany games but in the games against England and Argentina, he's been the driving force of the German team.  Schweinsteiger literally ran through the Argentinian defence with impunity.  It's nice to see such a talented player mature on the big stage.

I read somewhere where someone said that Maradona concentrated so much on Ozil that he put Mascherano to man mark him, which was mainly effective because Ozil had a fairly quiet game, despite the wonderful pass for the 4th goal.  But the fact that Maradona surrounded Mascherano with De Maria, Maxi Rodriguez, and Messi, essentially offensive players, that it left Schweinsteiger the freedom of Cape Town to do as he pleased.  He practically destroyed Argentina.



Agree 100% on forlan is ah boss.  Surprising to know he wanted to play tennis over football.
Title: Re: Best and most pleasant World cup Surprise (s)
Post by: Deeks on July 06, 2010, 07:11:06 PM
For me...it's a tie between Diego Forlan & Sami Khedira

Forlan still gets nowhere near the credit or recognition he deserves.  Mostly based on the below par time he spent at Man United.  He get written off as a shithong.  But Forlan is a serious player and he has shown that he belongs right up there with the best in the game right now, essentially taking this Uruguay team on his back.  I'm so happy for him that's he's shining on this the biggest of stages.

Khedira has seamlessly slotted into the Michael Ballack role with Germany and seriously.....there is an argument that instad of Germany heaping abuse on Kevin Prince Boateng for injuring Ballack causing him to miss the World Cup, they should be thanking him.  Because the possibility is great that Ballack, based on his form with Chelsea the past 2 seasons may not have been as effective as Khedira has been on this team.  A real compliment to the young man.

The other player who was a pleasant surprise to me has been Schweisteiger.  I thought he went missing the first 2 Germany games but in the games against England and Argentina, he's been the driving force of the German team.  Schweinsteiger literally ran through the Argentinian defence with impunity.  It's nice to see such a talented player mature on the big stage.

I read somewhere where someone said that Maradona concentrated so much on Ozil that he put Mascherano to man mark him, which was mainly effective because Ozil had a fairly quiet game, despite the wonderful pass for the 4th goal.  But the fact that Maradona surrounded Mascherano with De Maria, Maxi Rodriguez, and Messi, essentially offensive players, that it left Schweinsteiger the freedom of Cape Town to do as he pleased.  He practically destroyed Argentina.



Agree 100% on forlan is ah boss.  Surprising to know he wanted to play tennis over football.

He has the tennis look!!!! But he was great.
Title: Re: Best and most pleasant World cup Surprise (s)
Post by: boss on July 06, 2010, 07:46:39 PM
 ;)

(http://www.anorak.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/larissa-riquelme/larissa_riquelme.jpg)
Title: Re: Best and most pleasant World cup Surprise (s)
Post by: Brownsugar on July 07, 2010, 05:13:42 AM
Honda, the Japanese mid fielder not the car..... ;D\
Title: Re: Best and most pleasant World cup Surprise (s)
Post by: sammy on July 07, 2010, 06:13:10 AM
Robben not getting injured..

oops...*jinx*  :devil:
Title: Re: Best and most pleasant World cup Surprise (s)
Post by: DeSoWa on July 07, 2010, 10:57:16 AM
;)

(http://www.anorak.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/larissa-riquelme/larissa_riquelme.jpg)

 ;D

Big Up!
Title: Re: Best and most pleasant World cup Surprise (s)
Post by: JDB on July 07, 2010, 11:20:33 AM
For me...it's a tie between Diego Forlan & Sami Khedira

Forlan still gets nowhere near the credit or recognition he deserves.  Mostly based on the below par time he spent at Man United.  He get written off as a shithong.  But Forlan is a serious player and he has shown that he belongs right up there with the best in the game right now, essentially taking this Uruguay team on his back.  I'm so happy for him that's he's shining on this the biggest of stages.

Khedira has seamlessly slotted into the Michael Ballack role with Germany and seriously.....there is an argument that instad of Germany heaping abuse on Kevin Prince Boateng for injuring Ballack causing him to miss the World Cup, they should be thanking him.  Because the possibility is great that Ballack, based on his form with Chelsea the past 2 seasons may not have been as effective as Khedira has been on this team.  A real compliment to the young man.

The other player who was a pleasant surprise to me has been Schweisteiger.  I thought he went missing the first 2 Germany games but in the games against England and Argentina, he's been the driving force of the German team.  Schweinsteiger literally ran through the Argentinian defence with impunity.  It's nice to see such a talented player mature on the big stage.

I read somewhere where someone said that Maradona concentrated so much on Ozil that he put Mascherano to man mark him, which was mainly effective because Ozil had a fairly quiet game, despite the wonderful pass for the 4th goal.  But the fact that Maradona surrounded Mascherano with De Maria, Maxi Rodriguez, and Messi, essentially offensive players, that it left Schweinsteiger the freedom of Cape Town to do as he pleased.  He practically destroyed Argentina.



Not sure why you surprised... Schweinsteiger essentially did the same thing four years ago in Germany.  Like Klose he's had tepid club campaigns since, but he's been a key cog in the German machine... the departure of Ballack forced Loew's hand and needing dynamism in the middle, Schweinsteiger, now Khedira... was the path thru which they opted to channel the German offense.

Neither Schweinstieger nor Khedira surprise me as individuals becaus ethey have not really been outstanding compared to the rest of the team. In each game yuh could pick any of Podolski, Ozil, Muller and Schweinstieger as the top performer. Loew is the surprise for me as he making perfect use of some good, yet not great players, and have them lighting up the tournament.
Title: Re: Best and most pleasant World cup Surprise (s)
Post by: Marcos on July 07, 2010, 12:30:48 PM
Loew have dat team runnin like a well oiled machine. A lot of the credit has to go to him.
Title: Re: Best and most pleasant World cup Surprise (s)
Post by: palos on July 07, 2010, 02:37:36 PM
Loew have dat team runnin like a well oiled machine. A lot of the credit has to go to him.

De oil clog today tho
Title: Re: Best and most pleasant World cup Surprise (s)
Post by: weary1969 on July 07, 2010, 02:40:32 PM
Paul d octupus?
Title: Re: Best and most pleasant World cup Surprise (s)
Post by: Deeks on July 07, 2010, 02:48:00 PM
Loew have dat team runnin like a well oiled machine. A lot of the credit has to go to him.

I guess he is a dunce like Dunga and Diego!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Best and most pleasant World cup Surprise (s)
Post by: Brownsugar on July 07, 2010, 03:03:17 PM
Paul d octupus?

 :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Best and most pleasant World cup Surprise (s)
Post by: trinindian on July 07, 2010, 03:45:14 PM
A new name on the cup.
Title: Re: Best and most pleasant World cup Surprise (s)
Post by: Bakes on July 07, 2010, 07:24:42 PM
Neither Schweinstieger nor Khedira surprise me as individuals becaus ethey have not really been outstanding compared to the rest of the team. In each game yuh could pick any of Podolski, Ozil, Muller and Schweinstieger as the top performer. Loew is the surprise for me as he making perfect use of some good, yet not great players, and have them lighting up the tournament.

Loew did an excellent job of marshalling the largely unproven (on this level) talent on the team.  An even better job of getting as much out of a team of individual stars as he did... unlike Maradona.  I thought Schweinsteiger was solid... not spectacular... certainly nowhere as meteoric as he was in Germany 4 yrs ago.  I liked that he was able to assert himself in midfield in a manner for which Ballack was quite unsuited... and frankly, I'd be surprised if Ballack get's called up anytime soon.  Sentimental reasons may have led to his inclusion after South Africa, but his contributions are likely surplus given the play of the team.  His hissy-fit with Lamm over the captaincy only serves to further seal his fate... although you can't blame him for wanting the arm-band back once fit.
Title: Re: Best and most pleasant World cup Surprise (s)
Post by: dinho on July 07, 2010, 07:40:02 PM
The Best and most pleasant World Cup surprise for me is the fact that all the doomsday predictions about a crime ridden, terrorist targeted, tourist hell hole, disorganized, improperly managed, incomplete failure of the first World Cup in Africa have not seemed to materialize from all accounts.
Title: Re: Best and most pleasant World cup Surprise (s)
Post by: Bakes on July 07, 2010, 07:44:34 PM
The Best and most pleasant World Cup surprise for me is the fact that all the doomsday predictions about a crime ridden, terrorist targeted, tourist hell hole, disorganized, improperly managed, incomplete failure of the first World Cup in Africa have not seemed to materialize from all accounts.

Agreed...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/07/world/africa/07safrica.html?ref=soccer
Title: Re: Best and most pleasant World cup Surprise (s)
Post by: kicker on July 07, 2010, 08:08:27 PM
1- South Africa pulled off a (major) incident free Cup and made the continent proud.

2- Holland is in the final.  Least inspiring team in the final (that I can remember) since Argentina in 1990...Dutch quality has shone way brighter in World Cups past without reaching this far- football is a funny game I suppose. Kinda comes off like a not so pleasant surprise, but in it's own way it's cool because they're trying to shake a World Cup monkey and I'd say that this team was less likely than many before them to do it, so it's Cinderella-esque and it's exciting to know that there will be a first time winner.   

3- Forlan- Talent was never doubted but the footballing press dug him in a hole after his time at Man Utd.  I think he's re-written his own legacy in this cup- He was all business since the first game against France, and never looked back. Candidate for MVP IMO. 

 
Title: Re: Best and most pleasant World cup Surprise (s)
Post by: dinho on July 07, 2010, 08:10:49 PM
The Best and most pleasant World Cup surprise for me is the fact that all the doomsday predictions about a crime ridden, terrorist targeted, tourist hell hole, disorganized, improperly managed, incomplete failure of the first World Cup in Africa have not seemed to materialize from all accounts.

Agreed...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/07/world/africa/07safrica.html?ref=soccer

good read...

funny how after all the incessant noise they make before the cup we cant hear nothing solid about the positives. hopefully they just waiting for it to be done to include that in the post mortem.
Title: Re: Best and most pleasant World cup Surprise (s)
Post by: Mango Chow! on July 07, 2010, 08:14:02 PM
The Best and most pleasant World Cup surprise for me is the fact that all the doomsday predictions about a crime ridden, terrorist targeted, tourist hell hole, disorganized, improperly managed, incomplete failure of the first World Cup in Africa have not seemed to materialize from all accounts.

 :beermug: Tell dat to zeppo! :beermug:
Title: Re: Best and most pleasant World cup Surprise (s)
Post by: richpy on July 07, 2010, 10:48:27 PM
Ah have to chip in on the Forlan love.
People who follow Spanish football know that Forlan has been outstanding in Spain, beating out E'too for two Pichichi titles (interestingly on the final day of two seperate seasons). And doing it playing for 'small sides'. The man is a complete striker.

Man play possessed in this WC, like he had a axe to grind or something. He was also using his head too, everything had a plan behind it. Real real impressive. MVP for me.
Title: Re: Best and most pleasant World cup Surprise (s)
Post by: JDB on July 08, 2010, 06:31:04 AM
Neither Schweinstieger nor Khedira surprise me as individuals becaus ethey have not really been outstanding compared to the rest of the team. In each game yuh could pick any of Podolski, Ozil, Muller and Schweinstieger as the top performer. Loew is the surprise for me as he making perfect use of some good, yet not great players, and have them lighting up the tournament.

Loew did an excellent job of marshalling the largely unproven (on this level) talent on the team.  An even better job of getting as much out of a team of individual stars as he did... unlike Maradona.  I thought Schweinsteiger was solid... not spectacular... certainly nowhere as meteoric as he was in Germany 4 yrs ago.  I liked that he was able to assert himself in midfield in a manner for which Ballack was quite unsuited... and frankly, I'd be surprised if Ballack get's called up anytime soon.  Sentimental reasons may have led to his inclusion after South Africa, but his contributions are likely surplus given the play of the team.  His hissy-fit with Lamm over the captaincy only serves to further seal his fate... although you can't blame him for wanting the arm-band back once fit.

I think the absence of Ballack is being overplayed. It was Ballack who pull this side through the crucial game against Russia.

Also Ballack's replacement was Khedira and he has played well but has not done anything that Ballack cannot do. Ballack is slower but Khedira has not been leading the German breaks, he has been trailing them. I would also pick Ballack over Khedira for threat on set-pieces and for making something happen when Germany is not counter-attacking and trying to break down a team defending deep..

Where not having Ballack might have been useful is off the field as there might have been issues with his seniority and attitude, but on the field Ballack is an asset to this team.
Title: Re: Best and most pleasant World cup Surprise (s)
Post by: Bakes on July 08, 2010, 01:00:37 PM
Of course he's and asset... and yet surplus to requirements on current form.  He helped them qualify, and they played well, but since his injury they've been even better.  Khedira may have taken his place in the starting lineup but his actual replacement has been Schweinsteiger, who has become more assertive in the offense in Ballack's absence. 
Title: Re: Best and most pleasant World cup Surprise (s)
Post by: Peong on July 08, 2010, 02:17:26 PM
Forlan is definitely the MVP for me.
Before the tournament I bet nobody would have picked him.
He can still get the Golden Boot too.
Well done Mr. Forlan.
Title: Re: Best and most pleasant World cup Surprise (s)
Post by: JDB on July 08, 2010, 09:30:44 PM
Of course he's and asset... and yet surplus to requirements on current form.  He helped them qualify, and they played well, but since his injury they've been even better.  Khedira may have taken his place in the starting lineup but his actual replacement has been Schweinsteiger, who has become more assertive in the offense in Ballack's absence. 

Whose current form? Ballack's form for Germany has never been a problem and Germany has always played better with him than without him. He drove the team to finals in 2002 and 2008 and a semi in 2006, all comparable to this team, and the current consensus is that this team has better players.

As for Germany's current form it is convenient to say that they are playing better because he is absent but it is also baseless because we have not seen this current side, with tournament preparation including Ballack. As big a change as Ballack being missing is the 5 o6r 6 weeks that they have been together preparing as a team, drilling their gameplan  and improving collectively. It doesn't make sense to give Loew credit for making the best use of his players and then assume that he wouldn't be able to leverage his most experienced player to make the team better.
Title: Re: Best and most pleasant World cup Surprise (s)
Post by: Bakes on July 08, 2010, 09:56:11 PM
As for Germany's current form it is convenient to say that they are playing better because he is absent but it is also baseless because we have not seen this current side, with tournament preparation including Ballack. As big a change as Ballack being missing is the 5 o6r 6 weeks that they have been together preparing as a team, drilling their gameplan  and improving collectively. It doesn't make sense to give Loew credit for making the best use of his players and then assume that he wouldn't be able to leverage his most experienced player to make the team better.

It's equally convenient to say that just because the team is good... his addition would automatically make them better.  Just as there is addition by subtraction, there too can be subtraction by addition.  Here we have a German team that essentially plodded it's way thru qualifying, was forced by circumstances to re-tool their game on the fly, developed a winning formula to complement the unique collection of talent and egos on the field, all conducted with a maestro's touch by Loew.  You would have us believe that all of that is mere coincidental to and not a consequence of Ballack's absence. 

You would also have us believe that Loew suddenly had the team "drilling their gameplan" after Ballack's injury... what they didn't have a gameplan to drill before?  Or are you conceding that Loew had to re-write the script following the injury, thereby introducing a new post-Ballack gameplan?  Of course the latter is obvious, no need to even debate.  The team that emerged in the wake of Ballack's injury was more dynamic and creative, was faster on the break and better equipped with tactics to match their younger, fresher legs than the Ballack-led team.

Would Ballack make the team better or worse? Of course it's all speculation... but you don't put a Volkswagen engine in a Porsche body and start it in Le Mans expecting to win anything.
Title: Re: Best and most pleasant World cup Surprise (s)
Post by: JDB on July 09, 2010, 09:13:52 AM
It's equally convenient to say that just because the team is good... his addition would automatically make them better.  Just as there is addition by subtraction, there too can be subtraction by addition. 

I have never said that Ballack would automatically make the team better. You and many others are making the point that he would automatically make them worse. My point in bringing up his past excellence is to simply state that there is no evidence of Ballack ever making this team worse.

You would also have us believe that Loew suddenly had the team "drilling their gameplan" after Ballack's injury... what they didn't have a gameplan to drill before? Or are you conceding that Loew had to re-write the script following the injury, thereby introducing a new post-Ballack gameplan?  Of course the latter is obvious, no need to even debate.

Its not for me to have you believe anything. When asked what is driving the effectiveness of their counters the players, Schweinstieger included, have said that its down to the time they have had in training. Time that they do not have during the season when they get together for 3 - 10 days at a stretch. Loew has also admitted that he has changed the team, inspired by the resurgent and successful Bayern and Inter teams, not by a specific need to chnage in the absence of Ballack. This is also not the first time that Germany has found a new way to play right before a tournament and surprised everybody.

The team that emerged in the wake of Ballack's injury was more dynamic and creative, was faster on the break and better equipped with tactics to match their younger, fresher legs than the Ballack-led team.

Would Ballack make the team better or worse? Of course it's all speculation... but you don't put a Volkswagen engine in a Porsche body and start it in Le Mans expecting to win anything.

My point is that it is overly simplistic to conclude that Ballack would make this team worse and that he is "surplus to requirements". I am absolutely certain that the next German selection will put paid to that nugget of wisdom. Volkswagen and Porsche analogies are nice but doesn't really say much when you realize that there is nothing in Khedira's role or performance in this system that Ballack cannot do.


 
Title: Re: Best and most pleasant World cup Surprise (s)
Post by: Brownsugar on July 11, 2010, 03:30:31 PM
.........we haven't heard from Zeppo since Ghana cut BooSA's arse......Ghana should play the US everyday..... :devil: ;D
Title: Re: Best and most pleasant World cup Surprise (s)
Post by: Bourbon on July 11, 2010, 03:47:27 PM
Despite de diving and ting by de dutch..dey still were able to give Spain a guard of honor.
Title: Re: Best and most pleasant World cup Surprise (s)
Post by: weary1969 on July 11, 2010, 04:36:01 PM
.........we haven't heard from Zeppo since Ghana cut BooSA's arse......Ghana should play the US everyday..... :devil: ;D

 :beermug:
Title: Re: Best and most pleasant World cup Surprise (s)
Post by: fari on July 11, 2010, 04:52:33 PM
Forlan is definitely the MVP for me.
Before the tournament I bet nobody would have picked him.
He can still get the Golden Boot too.
Well done Mr. Forlan.

if again...i glad dey give him de mvp...every goal he score was a golazo ras...but like i said before, his older sister is paralyzed and de man say he does play for 2 every time he steps on de field...u cyah beat a man when he have dat kinda motivation.
Title: Re: Best and most pleasant World cup Surprise (s)
Post by: Mango Chow! on July 11, 2010, 08:32:57 PM
Despite de diving and ting by de dutch..dey still were able to give Spain a guard of honor.

    ......you think they had a choice?  I'm willing to bet that it's a "requirement".
Title: Re: Best and most pleasant World cup Surprise (s)
Post by: Bourbon on July 11, 2010, 08:46:07 PM
Despite de diving and ting by de dutch..dey still were able to give Spain a guard of honor.

    ......you think they had a choice?  I'm willing to bet that it's a "requirement".


I doh think so. Well...i could say i doh think i have ever seen it.