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Sports => Football => Topic started by: Flex on January 29, 2013, 07:10:47 AM
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Nick DeLeon declines T&T call-up.
By Steven Goff (soccer insider).
Nick DeLeon has never been to Trinidad & Tobago, the Caribbean nation where his father is revered and his younger sister has played for the junior national teams.
The D.C. United winger was born and raised near Phoenix, idolized American players and longed to someday represent the United States on a big stage.
So late last week, when the Trinidadian federation unexpectedly invited him to camp ahead of a Feb. 6 friendly against Peru, he declined. For now, his mind is set on someday playing for the U.S. squad.
“I grew up here and it’s always been my dream to play here,” DeLeon, 22, told the Insider. “It felt pretty good to get invited, to be honest. It’s a big honor. But I don’t think it’s the right time.”
When the call came, he had a long talk with United Coach Ben Olsen. And on Sunday he spoke with his father, Leroy DeLeon, 64, a former T&T international and Hall of Famer who served with several U.S. indoor and outdoor clubs between 1967 and ’83, including the Washington Diplomats.
Read More (http://www.socawarriors.net/mens-senior-team/12169-nick-deleon-declines-tat-call-up.html)
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“It would be a huge honor to walk in his footsteps,” said Nick, the 2012 MLS rookie of the year runner-up. But as his father told him, “there’s no need to rush right now.”
So leroy told his son hold out ...l
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I love T&T eh, but we federation dont treat people right.
Nick right to take his chance with the USA, I would advise my son to do the same.
Until we federation start treating people better no foreign born should come to T&T.
Imagine, we Carribean Cup players eh even get paid yet.
This sort of unprofessional shit is embarrassing and to involve a foreign born in this shit is bad.
Again, ah love meh country, but de people down they need to get they act together.
And ah next thing to is when T&T dont need you, they does treat you like a blasted step child.
Look man like Boucaud, Thomson and Birchall would give T&T 1000% more than many locals and they dont even get de respect of a phone call.
They calling de players they cant get or who cant come and ignoring de ones who want to play, real back to front thing.
Look T&T playing a game in a week and they not even training.
Now they hire Leroy in de TTFF to see if he could persuade his son and instead he rest de bullpistle on them, expect to see Leroy get fired soon... :rotfl:
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As much as I support the soca warriors... you cah blame the fella... he grew up in the states, his dreams are different. I'm surprised USA didnt invite him to the camp. Never to know, we may still get the opportunity one day to steal him away.
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Zamora!
Lol
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Zamora!
Lol
Maund
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He has a better chance with T&T than USA.
Look at how Robbie Findley is disgarded now, even Nottingham Forest let him go last week.
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He has a better chance with T&T than USA.
Look at how Robbie Findley is disgarded now, even Nottingham Forest let him go last week.
Better chance 2 c trouble/ work for free.
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He has a better chance with T&T than USA.
Look at how Robbie Findley is disgarded now, even Nottingham Forest let him go last week.
I forget about he yes. Like I say, they does cap them then drop them
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Where's Big Mag? I'll just say it for him. F#CK DELEON
:rotfl:
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Not surprised: The TTFF in shambles, and he is probably due for a call-up from the U.S. if he keeps progreessing. I'd take a wait-and-see approach too.
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Not surprised: The TTFF in shambles, and he is probably due for a call-up from the U.S. if he keeps progreessing. I'd take a wait-and-see approach too.
Ent?
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I would give my son the same advice as well. The TTFF? Oh hell no.
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Cyah fight de youth for being honest and making dah choice but what ah find rhel disgrace is dat de youth 22 and never visited Trini boi...wam Leroy like yuh never mind dah youth or wah smh lol
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Just using gimmicks to get the fans to come out without doing the work! They could kill the guy's career before it start! Bunch of unprofessional guys who don't have a clue! Trying to buy favour with the father too! Bunch of jokers!
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Cyah fight de youth for being honest and making dah choice but what ah find rhel disgrace is dat de youth 22 and never visited Trini boi...wam Leroy like yuh never mind dah youth or wah smh lol
Yeh that seem rel strange
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He has a better chance with T&T than USA.
Look at how Robbie Findley is disgarded now, even Nottingham Forest let him go last week.
better chance at what? failure?
findley go get pickup elsewhere or by mls. he was right to pick usa. look how he get to play in the world cup.
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Didn't DeLeon come to TnT de other day?
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If was my son, ah woulda advise him to do de same ting and anybody who say differently seriously clueless ;)
Seriously though how can you be angry at dis youth for making the decision he make, look I love meh Socawarriors but I could never be mad at dis youth for saying eh eh.
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Why didnt the TTFF "privately" confirm him before "publicly" calling him up??
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Why didnt the TTFF "privately" confirm him before "publicly" calling him up??
THIS!!
All we did was remind the US of his situation and now they'll probably cap him just to cap him.
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Cyah fight de youth for being honest and making dah choice but what ah find rhel disgrace is dat de youth 22 and never visited Trini boi...wam Leroy like yuh never mind dah youth or wah smh lol
Yeh that seem rel strange
He didn't grow up with his father... allyuh just reach or what?
...anyways F#ck Zamora Maund Findley DeLeon ::)
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Lol..
Now that you mention it, i remember the article.
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Why didnt the TTFF "privately" confirm him before "publicly" calling him up??
Because d TTFF is a parlour not even a shop.
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You all are missing the bigger picture here: A Professional football player and you spending your money on an engagement ring for your girlfriend at age 22? ::)
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don't blame him, the ttff has fallen and it will take more than tim kee to rebuild a fed that is successful, deleon is better served playing for the us bc tt ain't seeing a world cup with tim kee in charge
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FAIR ENOUGH
all the best to the young man
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don't blame him, the ttff has fallen and it will take more than tim kee to rebuild a fed that is successful, deleon is better served playing for the us bc tt ain't seeing a world cup with tim kee in charge
Well it took Scamps and them 26 years to see WC. So give him some time nah :devil:
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People cuss Zamora upside dong,well,well.
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Nick right to take his chance with the USA, I would advise my son to do the same.
FAIR ENOUGH
all the best to the young man
This and this :beermug:
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People cuss Zamora upside dong,well,well.
doh start me with Zamora eh
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Why didnt the TTFF "privately" confirm him before "publicly" calling him up??
Because dat too logical and make too much damn sense!!!
Jokey, jokey, jokey...as I see he name included I done know is cacaholeness at play again, and sure enough....
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Cyah fight de youth for being honest and making dah choice but what ah find rhel disgrace is dat de youth 22 and never visited Trini boi...wam Leroy like yuh never mind dah youth or wah smh lol
Was really surprised by that too. Wha iz dat one, Leroy?
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I understand that he's citizenship-eligible, but is he actually a citizen of TT?
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People cuss Zamora upside dong,well,well.
Yeah and Zamora was actually going to play for T&T plus isn't playing in a bush league.
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I get it with the youth and more power to him but I will say this; TTFF aside, no water in de session aside, cya get pay for de last tournament aside,, It is an honor to put on de colors and go out dey and play for that tiny island/s named TnT because be yuh who yuh be, once yuh pass through dat country, yuh does kinda get a sense of purpose. Is like dam Fantasy Island. (I say this, also thinking about the 400+ people who will die there this year).
A man might say, well what else, would one expect A trini to say but I have been to the promised land and I stayed just long enough to water my horse before starting on the journey back to Fantasy Island. So to all de Nick De Leon's and dem, no hate, but is because yuh dont know homie.
Pull yuh daddy in a back room or catch him on skype when allyuh alone and ask him bout TnT and look for de gleam in he eyes, the passion in he voice when he describing dat little country for yuh. Dont forget, de TTFF sucks and the foot-dragging is mind-numbing but if yuh could get pass that; Welcome to Fantasy Island!
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As much as I support the soca warriors... you cah blame the fella... he grew up in the states, his dreams are different. I'm surprised USA didnt invite him to the camp. Never to know, we may still get the opportunity one day to steal him away.
It's not just a matter of different dreams. Many children of immigrants hold their parent's homeland in reverance.
However, from a practical standpoint the US is consistently a better team than TT with an infinitely superior administration.
He is simply doing what Shaka Hislop did and bear in mind SH grew up in TT.
He'll probably get a cap in about two years from the US and if not TT is a natural fall back position, just as Shaka did.
This is not indicative of a lack of respect for TT, just a practical professional decision.
VB
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As much as I support the soca warriors... you cah blame the fella... he grew up in the states, his dreams are different. I'm surprised USA didnt invite him to the camp. Never to know, we may still get the opportunity one day to steal him away.
It's not just a matter of different dreams. Many children of immigrants hold their parent's homeland in reverance.
However, from a practical standpoint the US is consistently a better team than TT with an infinitely superior administration.
He is simply doing what Shaka Hislop did and bear in mind SH grew up in TT.
He'll probably get a cap in about two years from the US and if not TT is a natural fall back position, just as Shaka did.
This is not indicative of a lack of respect for TT, just a practical professional decision.
VB
Invalid comparison.
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Boss, boss, the plane!!!!!
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People cuss Zamora upside dong,well,well.
doh start me with Zamora eh
This is different...how?
To this day the TTFF still refusing to give fans the time of day (see Flex's article on Tim Kee) but allyuh still ketching feelings because Zamora blank de TTFF? steups
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I get it with the youth and more power to him but I will say this; TTFF aside, no water in de session aside, cya get pay for de last tournament aside,, It is an honor to put on de colors and go out dey and play for that tiny island/s named TnT because be yuh who yuh be, once yuh pass through dat country, yuh does kinda get a sense of purpose. Is like dam Fantasy Island. (I say this, also thinking about the 400+ people who will die there this year).
A man might say, well what else, would one expect A trini to say but I have been to the promised land and I stayed just long enough to water my horse before starting on the journey back to Fantasy Island. So to all de Nick De Leon's and dem, no hate, but is because yuh dont know homie.
Pull yuh daddy in a back room or catch him on skype when allyuh alone and ask him bout TnT and look for de gleam in he eyes, the passion in he voice when he describing dat little country for yuh. Dont forget, de TTFF sucks and the foot-dragging is mind-numbing but if yuh could get pass that; Welcome to Fantasy Island!
Ask de Noriegas of the world how dat one work out fuh dem. Everything you mention dey he could get without ever suiting up fuh de TTFF. Doh get tie up with that "li'l Fantasy Island" talk, Gilligan's Island is more like it as long as is dese TTFF clowns running de show.
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I get it with the youth and more power to him but I will say this; TTFF aside, no water in de session aside, cya get pay for de last tournament aside,, It is an honor to put on de colors and go out dey and play for that tiny island/s named TnT because be yuh who yuh be, once yuh pass through dat country, yuh does kinda get a sense of purpose. Is like dam Fantasy Island. (I say this, also thinking about the 400+ people who will die there this year).
A man might say, well what else, would one expect A trini to say but I have been to the promised land and I stayed just long enough to water my horse before starting on the journey back to Fantasy Island. So to all de Nick De Leon's and dem, no hate, but is because yuh dont know homie.
Pull yuh daddy in a back room or catch him on skype when allyuh alone and ask him bout TnT and look for de gleam in he eyes, the passion in he voice when he describing dat little country for yuh. Dont forget, de TTFF sucks and the foot-dragging is mind-numbing but if yuh could get pass that; Welcome to Fantasy Island!
Ask de Noriegas of the world how dat one work out fuh dem. Everything you mention dey he could get without ever suiting up fuh de TTFF. Doh get tie up with that "li'l Fantasy Island" talk, Gilligan's Island is more like it as long as is dese TTFF clowns running de show.
Are you disputing is Fantasy Island or that de TTFF sucks? trying to figure out what your stand is? I say it is Fantasy Island and the TTFF sucks!
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As much as I support the soca warriors... you cah blame the fella... he grew up in the states, his dreams are different. I'm surprised USA didnt invite him to the camp. Never to know, we may still get the opportunity one day to steal him away.
It's not just a matter of different dreams. Many children of immigrants hold their parent's homeland in reverance.
However, from a practical standpoint the US is consistently a better team than TT with an infinitely superior administration.
He is simply doing what Shaka Hislop did and bear in mind SH grew up in TT.
He'll probably get a cap in about two years from the US and if not TT is a natural fall back position, just as Shaka did.
This is not indicative of a lack of respect for TT, just a practical professional decision.
VB
Invalid comparison.
Completely valid. You just eh see it.
VB
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Are you disputing is Fantasy Island or that de TTFF sucks? trying to figure out what your stand is? I say it is Fantasy Island and the TTFF sucks!
Disagreeing with you that playing for the TTFF (note I didn't say for TnT) is the big patriotic honor you making it out to be, that there's anything "Fantasy Island" about it. Not when the people in charge clueless and seem intent on treating you like shit.
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As much as I support the soca warriors... you cah blame the fella... he grew up in the states, his dreams are different. I'm surprised USA didnt invite him to the camp. Never to know, we may still get the opportunity one day to steal him away.
It's not just a matter of different dreams. Many children of immigrants hold their parent's homeland in reverance.
However, from a practical standpoint the US is consistently a better team than TT with an infinitely superior administration.
He is simply doing what Shaka Hislop did and bear in mind SH grew up in TT.
He'll probably get a cap in about two years from the US and if not TT is a natural fall back position, just as Shaka did.
This is not indicative of a lack of respect for TT, just a practical professional decision.
VB
Invalid comparison.
Completely valid. You just eh see it.
VB
Star, lots of ways to differentiate the scenes ... Nick didn't secure a US junior national team spot. (Arguably it's during that time that one of our rocket scientists should have been cultivating him heavily). Shaka's interest in an England MNT spot was buffeted by the junior squad call-up and whispers in the air. Nick's expectancy of a MNT call-up under Jurgen Klinsmann rests on what? A Jedi mind trick?
Need I state the obvious? Shaka is unquestionably a Trini. Nick is unquestionably not. Shaka had exposure to two national colors. Nick has had exposure to neither/none and has declined an offer to the one he has had offered ... an offer that would have borne no negative consequences from FIFA's Player Status Committee.
Aside from the fact that football in the context of the 90s is different, vis-a-vis our then footballing fortunes and stature in the world game, and the enhanced perception of Trini football since the 90s, FIFA legislation on the issue has changed significantly between the moment of Shaka's deliberations to the present-day of Nick's deliberations. Moreover, whereas many on here would have been proud to see Shaka Hislop succeed in English colors despite the antipathy many hold for the English team, no one would be doing cartwheels for Nick Deleon in the Stars and Stripes (unless of course you went hoarse cheering Robbie Findley). In the modern game, most players take the chances provided to them because these chances present platforms of opportunity. Descendants of Africans and Arabs do it everyday in Europe ... in several cases juggling more than two viable citizenships. Deleon had one ball in hand (us) and no tangible ball in the air (US) ... what was there to juggle.
I encourage you to distinguish between options, opportunities, and opportunism. Shaka is not, and was not, an opportunist. Deleon could very well prove to be. And that so, one encouraged by his father. When one door is closed, the other is open?
It's not lost on me that the US has Brazil 2014 still on the radar. What will the fat lady sing once that ship sails absent Nick.
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^^^You just splitting hairs. In the simplest of terms, both put a TnT cap on the back burner while exploring opportunities in another shirt. What mental gymnastics they went thru in sorting out that decision and how they resolved is of little relevance to the instant comparison.
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Are you disputing is Fantasy Island or that de TTFF sucks? trying to figure out what your stand is? I say it is Fantasy Island and the TTFF sucks!
Disagreeing with you that playing for the TTFF (note I didn't say for TnT) is the big patriotic honor you making it out to be, that there's anything "Fantasy Island" about it. Not when the people in charge clueless and seem intent on treating you like shit.
Ah thought so and I agree with yuh; I was talkin about playin for TNT. Playin for de TTFF however, Is almost like yuh goin on one of dem suicide missions, with the only saving grace being the pride of the people (if yuh winning or we know how dat does go too) While ah not sure breakin TTFF apart and givin some other opportunist the opportunity might be the way to go, under current operations, even that would be a step up. "Because something gotta give".
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As much as I support the soca warriors... you cah blame the fella... he grew up in the states, his dreams are different. I'm surprised USA didnt invite him to the camp. Never to know, we may still get the opportunity one day to steal him away.
It's not just a matter of different dreams. Many children of immigrants hold their parent's homeland in reverance.
However, from a practical standpoint the US is consistently a better team than TT with an infinitely superior administration.
He is simply doing what Shaka Hislop did and bear in mind SH grew up in TT.
He'll probably get a cap in about two years from the US and if not TT is a natural fall back position, just as Shaka did.
This is not indicative of a lack of respect for TT, just a practical professional decision.
VB
Invalid comparison.
Completely valid. You just eh see it.
VB
Star, lots of ways to differentiate the scenes ... Nick didn't secure a US junior national team spot. (Arguably it's during that time that one of our rocket scientists should have been cultivating him heavily). Shaka's interest in an England MNT spot was buffeted by the junior squad call-up and whispers in the air. Nick's expectancy of a MNT call-up under Jurgen Klinsmann rests on what? A Jedi mind trick?
Need I state the obvious? Shaka is unquestionably a Trini. Nick is unquestionably not. Shaka had exposure to two national colors. Nick has had exposure to neither/none and has declined an offer to the one he has had offered ... an offer that would have borne no negative consequences from FIFA's Player Status Committee.
Aside from the fact that football in the context of the 90s is different, vis-a-vis our then footballing fortunes and stature in the world game, and the enhanced perception of Trini football since the 90s, FIFA legislation on the issue has changed significantly between the moment of Shaka's deliberations to the present-day of Nick's deliberations. Moreover, whereas many on here would have been proud to see Shaka Hislop succeed in English colors despite the antipathy many hold for the English team, no one would be doing cartwheels for Nick Deleon in the Stars and Stripes (unless of course you went hoarse cheering Robbie Findley). In the modern game, most players take the chances provided to them because these chances present platforms of opportunity. Descendants of Africans and Arabs do it everyday in Europe ... in several cases juggling more than two viable citizenships. Deleon had one ball in hand (us) and no tangible ball in the air (US) ... what was there to juggle.
I encourage you to distinguish between options, opportunities, and opportunism. Shaka is not, and was not, an opportunist. Deleon could very well prove to be. And that so, one encouraged by his father. When one door is closed, the other is open?
It's not lost on me that the US has Brazil 2014 still on the radar. What will the fat lady sing once that ship sails absent Nick.
Lemme simplify this for you - for all the love that Shaka had for TT, he made us wait at least six years until he was in his thirties and with no England opportunity in sight to don TT colours.
No different thatn former Villa standout J Lloyd Samuel who started turning down TT from the age of 19 and around 10 yrs later finally accepted he wouldn't play for Eng. Sr.s and joined us.
I am not going to say how De Leon feels about TT The fact that he hasn't visited TT as a youth means nothing about how he feels about his father's homeland.
Only the naive would think that DL is not on the American's radar. And he will wait it out just like Shaka and Samuel did.
Good luck to him.
VB
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As much as I support the soca warriors... you cah blame the fella... he grew up in the states, his dreams are different. I'm surprised USA didnt invite him to the camp. Never to know, we may still get the opportunity one day to steal him away.
It's not just a matter of different dreams. Many children of immigrants hold their parent's homeland in reverance.
However, from a practical standpoint the US is consistently a better team than TT with an infinitely superior administration.
He is simply doing what Shaka Hislop did and bear in mind SH grew up in TT.
He'll probably get a cap in about two years from the US and if not TT is a natural fall back position, just as Shaka did.
This is not indicative of a lack of respect for TT, just a practical professional decision.
VB
Invalid comparison.
Completely valid. You just eh see it.
VB
Star, lots of ways to differentiate the scenes ... Nick didn't secure a US junior national team spot. (Arguably it's during that time that one of our rocket scientists should have been cultivating him heavily). Shaka's interest in an England MNT spot was buffeted by the junior squad call-up and whispers in the air. Nick's expectancy of a MNT call-up under Jurgen Klinsmann rests on what? A Jedi mind trick?
Need I state the obvious? Shaka is unquestionably a Trini. Nick is unquestionably not. Shaka had exposure to two national colors. Nick has had exposure to neither/none and has declined an offer to the one he has had offered ... an offer that would have borne no negative consequences from FIFA's Player Status Committee.
Aside from the fact that football in the context of the 90s is different, vis-a-vis our then footballing fortunes and stature in the world game, and the enhanced perception of Trini football since the 90s, FIFA legislation on the issue has changed significantly between the moment of Shaka's deliberations to the present-day of Nick's deliberations. Moreover, whereas many on here would have been proud to see Shaka Hislop succeed in English colors despite the antipathy many hold for the English team, no one would be doing cartwheels for Nick Deleon in the Stars and Stripes (unless of course you went hoarse cheering Robbie Findley). In the modern game, most players take the chances provided to them because these chances present platforms of opportunity. Descendants of Africans and Arabs do it everyday in Europe ... in several cases juggling more than two viable citizenships. Deleon had one ball in hand (us) and no tangible ball in the air (US) ... what was there to juggle.
I encourage you to distinguish between options, opportunities, and opportunism. Shaka is not, and was not, an opportunist. Deleon could very well prove to be. And that so, one encouraged by his father. When one door is closed, the other is open?
It's not lost on me that the US has Brazil 2014 still on the radar. What will the fat lady sing once that ship sails absent Nick.
Lemme simplify this for you - for all the love that Shaka had for TT, he made us wait at least six years until he was in his thirties and with no England opportunity in sight to don TT colours.
No different thatn former Villa standout J Lloyd Samuel who started turning down TT from the age of 19 and around 10 yrs later finally accepted he wouldn't play for Eng. Sr.s and joined us.
I am not going to say how De Leon feels about TT The fact that he hasn't visited TT as a youth means nothing about how he feels about his father's homeland. :bs:
Only the naive would think that DL is not on the American's radar. And he will wait it out just like Shaka and Samuel did.
Good luck to him.
VB
Shaka was a keeper. In his 30s? Steups.
Every US player is on the USSF's radar. Duh. What are his distinguishing credentials thus far for them?
For us, different story, right?
International Career
MARC DUFFY: You were eligible to represent England and Trinidad & Tobago finally opting to play for T&T. How difficult was that decision?
SHAKA HISLOP: The decision itself was pretty easy. Despite being born in England I had always considered myself Trinidadian. I was a part of one T&T national senior team back in my early twenties but hadn't been called back up, since when I was called up by Glenn Hoddle. I guess that spurred the TTFF to act firmly and a call from them soon followed. I had no hesitation in accepting their invite.
http://blogs.soccernet.com/newcastleunited/archives/2011/08/former_toon_keeper_shaka_hislo_1.php
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^^^You just splitting hairs. In the simplest of terms, both put a TnT cap on the back burner while exploring opportunities in another shirt. What mental gymnastics they went thru in sorting out that decision and how they resolved is of little relevance to the instant comparison.
Of course, I am. Apples and oranges.
Per the above, Shaka gets a pass, he doesn't. (Mind you, ah doh really care because one of the "reasons" the situation exists boils down to "domestic" considerations).
We could re-ventilate this circa 2018 when ND is about 28. As a keeper, Shaka's longer utility/longevity was assured.
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DeLeon have to have some serious inside info to believe he getting a major look in on that team. As Seeker said, you have to know who you dealing with. It's a different time and a different type of coach. DeLeon heading off to play for T&T vs Peru maybe a plus if he show he can hack it. Klinsmann keep saying don't wait for an opportunity, make it happen. Sit and wait and see what happens.Different times.
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DeLeon have to have some serious inside info to believe he getting a major look in on that team. As Seeker said, you have to know who you dealing with. It's a different time and a different type of coach. DeLeon heading off to play for T&T vs Peru maybe a plus if he show he can hack it. Klinsmann keep saying don't wait for an opportunity, make it happen. Sit and wait and see what happens.Different times.
This hadda be at the crux of the analysis ... not merely the bottom line about putting us on hold.
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Ah thought so and I agree with yuh; I was talkin about playin for TNT. Playin for de TTFF however, Is almost like yuh goin on one of dem suicide missions, with the only saving grace being the pride of the people (if yuh winning or we know how dat does go too) While ah not sure breakin TTFF apart and givin some other opportunist the opportunity might be the way to go, under current operations, even that would be a step up. "Because something gotta give".
You miss my point though... there is NO 'playin for TNT'... "TNT" doesn't have a team, the TTFF does. Until that dynamic changes, until the local governing body shows itself receptive of the fans (we know they will never make themselves accountable to them) and more transparent in it's dealings so that the average supporter could participate in the process... then the so-called 'National' team remains the exclusive plaything of the local governing body. I for one refuse to continue plugging into this matrix and fooling myself that "country" have anything to do with it.
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Ah thought so and I agree with yuh; I was talkin about playin for TNT. Playin for de TTFF however, Is almost like yuh goin on one of dem suicide missions, with the only saving grace being the pride of the people (if yuh winning or we know how dat does go too) While ah not sure breakin TTFF apart and givin some other opportunist the opportunity might be the way to go, under current operations, even that would be a step up. "Because something gotta give".
You miss my point though... there is NO 'playin for TNT'... "TNT" doesn't have a team, the TTFF does. Until that dynamic changes, until the local governing body shows itself receptive of the fans (we know they will never make themselves accountable to them) and more transparent in it's dealings so that the average supporter could participate in the process... then the so-called 'National' team remains the exclusive plaything of the local governing body. I for one refuse to continue plugging into this matrix and fooling myself that "country" have anything to do with it.
I get it but I am actually talking about de sentiment, and that, not even the dysfunctional TTFF can fack up. Yes there is the "caps count if yuh want an international career thing, but I suspect, in the purest moment, when your handed yuh kit, I truly believe is country dem fellas and gals thinking bout at that time as opposed to the crummy structures and short-sighted matrices that exist.
Sorry, dey dont just exist but rather is the dam reality. EVERY day! So long live the spirit of national pride because without it, with the TTFF at de helm, we could easily have no team! Chris Birchall sure didnt need no caps. Imagine Shaka say that they just didnt call him back. Really, that sure sounds familiar!
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Good luck Nick but be careful the USA doh cap yuh ass then discard you that is all! :beermug:
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As much as I support the soca warriors... you cah blame the fella... he grew up in the states, his dreams are different. I'm surprised USA didnt invite him to the camp. Never to know, we may still get the opportunity one day to steal him away.
It's not just a matter of different dreams. Many children of immigrants hold their parent's homeland in reverance.
However, from a practical standpoint the US is consistently a better team than TT with an infinitely superior administration.
He is simply doing what Shaka Hislop did and bear in mind SH grew up in TT.
He'll probably get a cap in about two years from the US and if not TT is a natural fall back position, just as Shaka did.
This is not indicative of a lack of respect for TT, just a practical professional decision.
VB
Invalid comparison.
Valid comparison!!
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^^^You just splitting hairs. In the simplest of terms, both put a TnT cap on the back burner while exploring opportunities in another shirt. What mental gymnastics they went thru in sorting out that decision and how they resolved is of little relevance to the instant comparison.
Plain and simple!
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As much as I support the soca warriors... you cah blame the fella... he grew up in the states, his dreams are different. I'm surprised USA didnt invite him to the camp. Never to know, we may still get the opportunity one day to steal him away.
It's not just a matter of different dreams. Many children of immigrants hold their parent's homeland in reverance.
However, from a practical standpoint the US is consistently a better team than TT with an infinitely superior administration.
He is simply doing what Shaka Hislop did and bear in mind SH grew up in TT.
He'll probably get a cap in about two years from the US and if not TT is a natural fall back position, just as Shaka did.
This is not indicative of a lack of respect for TT, just a practical professional decision.
VB
Invalid comparison.
Valid comparison!!
Yeah, yuh right. Valid comparison.
Plainly and simply different circumstances. Incontrovertibly rooted in one person grew up expecting to play for Trinidad & Tobago, the other person grew up expecting to play for a country other than Trinidad & Tobago.
Plain and simple everything starts there. Ent?
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Like Shaka said the TTFF was not calling him until Hengland give him the call up. So the fire was lit under Jack behind for him to call up Shaka.
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DeLeon, and Chris Birchall --------- Leroy DeLeon big player ------- chris bichall no relative with big player status. do the math ---- i thinck Nick take the offer and big on his international career thru trinidad.... if the US dont call him now and dont expect later.
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Yeah, yuh right. Valid comparison.
Plainly and simply different circumstances. Incontrovertibly rooted in one person grew up expecting to play for Trinidad & Tobago, the other person grew up expecting to play for a country other than Trinidad & Tobago.
Plain and simple everything starts there. Ent?
...and one played goalkeeper and the other striker. One is over 6 foot tall and de other about 5'7... distinctions without any substantive difference. Nothing is ever "plain and simple" in the most literal sense (which I'm sure isn't how Anbrat meant it), we could parse thru each individual circumstance to nitpick "differences" but the reality is that when given the opportunity Shaka opted to hold out for an England call up. As well he should, I don't fault him... all things being equal you'd hope he would opt for TnT, but all things are not equal, not when Jack Warner is involved.
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As much as I support the soca warriors... you cah blame the fella... he grew up in the states, his dreams are different. I'm surprised USA didnt invite him to the camp. Never to know, we may still get the opportunity one day to steal him away.
Shaka was a keeper. In his 30s? Steups.
Every US player is on the USSF's radar. Duh. What are his distinguishing credentials thus far for them?
For us, different story, right?
International Career
MAs much as I support the soca warriors... you cah blame the fella... he grew up in the states, his dreams are different. I'm surprised USA didnt invite him to the camp. Never to know, we may still get the opportunity one day to steal him away.
VB
Shaka was a keeper. In his 30s? Steups.
Every US player is on the USSF's radar. Duh. What are his distinguishing credentials thus far for them?
For us, different story, right?
International Career
MARC DUFFY: You were eligible to represent England and Trinidad & Tobago finally opting to play for T&T. How difficult was that decision?
SHAKA HISLOP: The decision itself was pretty easy. Despite being born in England I had always considered myself Trinidadian. I was a part of one T&T national senior team back in my early twenties but hadn't been called back up, since when I was called up by Glenn Hoddle. I guess that spurred the TTFF to act firmly and a call from them soon followed. I had no hesitation in accepting their invite.
http://blogs.soccernet.com/newcastleunited/archives/2011/08/former_toon_keeper_shaka_hislo_1.php
(i) Interesting comments by Shaka, please tell me when in his early 20s the played for the TT sr. team and against which opposition?
(ii) He became a regular in 1999, yes, so for me that's in his 30s. However, I have no problem being corrected. When did he make his debut for TT in his early 20s and against whom?
VB
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Cue Tallman.
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Nick DeLeon will join T&T very soon.
USA not interested in him.
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Nick DeLeon will join T&T very soon.
USA not interested in him.
That would be excellent news! Hope Sheanon Williams joins him.
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Nick DeLeon will join T&T very soon.
USA not interested in him.
Would be be eligible to be added to the Gold Cup roster? Is so, his inclusion would be tremendous for this team.
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Nick DeLeon will join T&T very soon.
USA not interested in him.
Would be be eligible to be added to the Gold Cup roster? Is so, his inclusion would be tremendous for this team.
I believe not.
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Why de hell allyuh callin dis fella for?
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Why de hell allyuh callin dis fella for?
What is yuh problem breds. Is everything so you hate
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Why de hell allyuh callin dis fella for?
Coache break it down for we as to why dis youth shouldn't rate ah lil call-up for we nah?
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Nick DeLeon will join T&T very soon.
Why soon?
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Nick De Leon is an execellent player, but his game is not mature yet for a starting position at the next level. He'll have problems playing for Trinidad because the pace of the game is different..more skill and composure is required to play for Trinidad.
The space defenders allowed him in college and in the MLS would not be given to him on the International stage. He can score goals but what would be his position? He is too small to hold up the ball consistently, he's not that skillful where he can consistently breakdown a defence..his position, in my opinion is not nailed down..is he a winger, a forward, a midfielder or all three..he would be a lively player coming off the bench.
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Nick De Leon is an execellent player, but his game is not mature yet for a starting position at the next level. He'll have problems playing for Trinidad because the pace of the game is different..more skill and composure is required to play for Trinidad.
The space defenders allowed him in college and in the MLS would not be given to him on the International stage. He can score goals but what would be his position? He is too small to hold up the ball consistently, he's not that skillful where he can consistently breakdown a defence..his position, in my opinion is not nailed down..is he a winger, a forward, a midfielder or all three..he would be a lively player coming off the bench.
lol, as opposed to the space men does get in the pro-league?
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Hehe
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Despite that I don't feel this glorified College player is up the International level..not yet..he needs more time..I would compare him to a Cobi Jones and he's not up his level yet.
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Game not mature for a starting position? What does the current team have better than him? Youth holding down a starting spot in MLS what...2-3 years now...who else doing that. He is quality and would walk onto the national team
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He won't be joining for the Gold Cup, that's for sure!.
Well unless Concacaf notice the error on our submitted player pool and allow him to replace the Central American on it. Who knows maybe the guy playing fuh Real Sociedad is ah Trini, we jus never knew. ::)
If he is, why we even talking bout DeLeon!
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We like the "Zamora" syndrome. Begging people who eh coming on their own volition. But who may be only wanting to represent out of their own self interest.
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Nick playing for DC U, and they are terrible. He is a solid player, not a Messi. He plays regularly for DC., sometimes coming of the bench. I think
he deserve a call up like any player with Trini roots. He needs to get practice games with the current Trini set up.
Coache made some good points. But I disagree with him that Nick is a glorified college player. He past that stage. He playing pro for 3 years now. And yes, the MLS is not at the EPL level, but the standards have risen considerably. I will not underestimate the MLS. Plus most players from TT will and dograb any opportunity to play in the US leagues. That has be going on for ages. I don't know if he can get on the current TT roster for the GC. But he should be one of those in the TTFA plans for the future.
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Iny opinion he does not deserve a call up he has to earn the right to represent. He should be the one coming begging for an opportunity and willingly wanting to represent. We should not be slaves to opportunistic players with roots who as a last resort bouncing on to seek self glory. We have too many locals fighting for a livelihood and willingly complying to serve when called upon. Help these players get an opportunity. Players line skein Daniels has shown an ingratitude that no matter of urgency should have them wear the national course. Players with roots who have been declining invitations during our qualifying needs should not jut be able to waltz into the team on a big stage in my opinion.
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Nick De Leon is an execellent player, but his game is not mature yet for a starting position at the next level. He'll have problems playing for Trinidad because the pace of the game is different..more skill and composure is required to play for Trinidad.
The space defenders allowed him in college and in the MLS would not be given to him on the International stage. He can score goals but what would be his position? He is too small to hold up the ball consistently, he's not that skillful where he can consistently breakdown a defence..his position, in my opinion is not nailed down..is he a winger, a forward, a midfielder or all three..he would be a lively player coming off the bench.
So if he was available for selection, name some players in the current national set up that you would easily pick over him?
If your point is that he isnt ready because of the level that he is currently playing at, then its better that we dont send a team because we wont be able to field eleven players who play at a level higher than MLS
What do you know about this player?
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Nick De Leon is an execellent player, but his game is not mature yet for a starting position at the next level. He'll have problems playing for Trinidad because the pace of the game is different..more skill and composure is required to play for Trinidad.
The space defenders allowed him in college and in the MLS would not be given to him on the International stage. He can score goals but what would be his position? He is too small to hold up the ball consistently, he's not that skillful where he can consistently breakdown a defence..his position, in my opinion is not nailed down..is he a winger, a forward, a midfielder or all three..he would be a lively player coming off the bench.
So if he was available for selection, name some players in the current national set up that you would easily pick over him?
If your point is that he isnt ready because of the level that he is currently playing at, then its better that we dont send a team because we wont be able to field eleven players who play at a level higher than MLS
What do you know about this player?
SMHIA .
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Iny opinion he does not deserve a call up he has to earn the right to represent. He should be the one coming begging for an opportunity and willingly wanting to represent. We should not be slaves to opportunistic players with roots who as a last resort bouncing on to seek self glory. We have too many locals fighting for a livelihood and willingly complying to serve when called upon. Help these players get an opportunity. Players line skein Daniels has shown an ingratitude that no matter of urgency should have them wear the national course. Players with roots who have been declining invitations during our qualifying needs should not jut be able to waltz into the team on a big stage in my opinion.
I agree that any player should be called up based on merit but this "players with roots" talk is real rubbish, especially if you referring to players like Keon Daniel. Keon is a special case but just because a player gets a contract abroad some posters on here talk as if they automatically lose their passport. The fact is, our best players get scouted and sign for foreign teams, the ones who aren't there yet or haven't been so fortunate, still play for the Pro League. The reason foreign players get preferential treatment is because regardless of if they playing division 2 in England or MLS, they are in far more professional settings, and far more challenging leagues.
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Nick De Leon is an execellent player, but his game is not mature yet for a starting position at the next level. He'll have problems playing for Trinidad because the pace of the game is different..more skill and composure is required to play for Trinidad.
The space defenders allowed him in college and in the MLS would not be given to him on the International stage. He can score goals but what would be his position? He is too small to hold up the ball consistently, he's not that skillful where he can consistently breakdown a defence..his position, in my opinion is not nailed down..is he a winger, a forward, a midfielder or all three..he would be a lively player coming off the bench.
Yuh talking nonsense....pure unadluterated tata
Skill and composure required to play for TnT..when was the last time you watch de national team play????
have you ever watched a college game? what space and time is allowed? the american college game is run fast then run faster then faster again... if you argue that the game does not develop players to the next level then maybe we can debate the ways it doesn't but to choose the only component of the american game that works and say it's non-existent says you don't have a clue....
The last statement I bolded..what exactly are you trying to say??? 5' 10" is small?????? not once have you mentioned the technical or the tactical attributes of the kid which is what has him playing in the MLS ..where most of our players struggle or can't make teams...
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Again it gets back to the level of professionalism within and around TnT football...I'm assuming all he was sent was a letter and why wasn't he being courted two maybe three years ago just so that we can increase the pool of players...It's all about the approach
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Nick De Leon is an execellent player, but his game is not mature yet for a starting position at the next level. He'll have problems playing for Trinidad because the pace of the game is different..more skill and composure is required to play for Trinidad.
The space defenders allowed him in college and in the MLS would not be given to him on the International stage. He can score goals but what would be his position? He is too small to hold up the ball consistently, he's not that skillful where he can consistently breakdown a defence..his position, in my opinion is not nailed down..is he a winger, a forward, a midfielder or all three..he would be a lively player coming off the bench.
Yuh talking nonsense....pure unadluterated tata
Whats new
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He did not make de Gold Cup preliminary 35-man roster which is consist of second team players yuh feel he go make de US team in a year time ?
How much goals he have in de MLS this season ?
Even Landon Donavon catching he ass to make de US side.
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Look at what they do Findley
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He did not make de Gold Cup preliminary 35-man roster which is consist of second team players yuh feel he go make de US team in a year time ?
How much goals he have in de MLS this season ?
Keep in mind that he was hit with a setback earlier this season when a bad hamstring pull knocked him out for a month and a half.
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I was told from a good source that DeLeon will be called up again by T&T in January.
I have also spoken to someone close to him and he is starting to change his mind, he knows that he will not be called up by USA and by the time the next world cup comes about who knows what could happen. His interest is starting to change.
He know that USA has at least 8 to 10 top strikers over him, Jozy Altidore, Terrence Boyd, Clint Dempsey, Aron Johannsson, Eddie Johnson, Chris Wondolowski, Landon Donovan, Mike Magee, Jack McInerney and Aron Johannsson.
Nick has scored just 2 goals this season, so he knows his US dream might never happen.
I didn't know Nick was born just 2 days before the Abu Bakr coop, youth man. :D
Stay tuned.
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Who he replacing ?
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Who he replacing ?
We only have one striker of note at the moment. And we left wing ain't sort out yet.
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Screw him - if he had the passion and dedication to play for T&T he'd have accepted the call up years ago - T&T doesn't need more half-assed players
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Who he replacing ?
Dat doh matter. We need options. We require depth and competition for places.
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Who he replacing ?
We only have one striker of note at the moment. And we left wing ain't sort out yet.
Why is it we only have one striker of note and our left wing ain't sort out yet? the reason for that is we not looking in the right places,we have them right here in the Super league,give those guys a chance and you will see what going to happen,check the amout of goals scoreing in the Super League i don't think is by mistake,i remember some time ago Hart was attending some of these games may be he didn't see any thing.
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Screw him - if he had the passion and dedication to play for T&T he'd have accepted the call up years ago - T&T doesn't need more half-assed players
We will all get over it, just like how we got over Justin Hoyte rejecting us at first nothing new.
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Options man, options!!!
Call him up, we could always do him what US do Finley, lock him to TnT so de US cah get him:)
On de real though, why men doh hush dey ass about why we should call him??
De man father was a big,big, player for we...he is ah youth who was exploring he options, while TnT football was undergoing (ahem) changes, now we have some level of stability, de fellah (apparently) make a decision now...I woulda do de same damn ting if I was he!!!!!
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Not like we have plenty to choose from anyway
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This is positive news!
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So options wise..off the top of my head, we have...
Boucaud,Daniel,George,Guerra,Hector,Hyland,Jones,Jones,Joseph,Peltier,Plaza,Winchester(12)+ 2 goalies + 6 out & out Defenders=24...and Deleon, more deserving of a 3rd invitation than a never denied invitation from, Baptiste, Carter, Roberts, Jorsling, not counting the gentlemen Coops mentioned in Super league (don't know them - or other forwards from Pro league), because he feel like now, and things better organized ?
I think he was good, but didn't realize he was THAT good, he must be better than his dad, and IS the best player in the US system, though I must have caught a couple of his bad games.
I guess we could always throw out the stalwarts and dedicated potentials, cause we can get them whenever we feel like it.
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I say call him up! If he accepts the call, shows the dedication to the team and the cause and show that he deserves a start then by all means give him his start.
We need as much competition for places as possible as it will only make our team better in the long run and that long run is qualification for the 2018 World Cup and beyond. :beermug:
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If true this will be a good look for our squad! Nick is young and will be a big player.
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Don't know how many ppl see the youth play...I have many times and he is quality full stop. Will be a great addition to our current group of young players...who the coach can mold as a unit for the next gold cup which I believe is 2015.
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Don't know how many ppl see the youth play...I have many times and he is quality full stop. Will be a great addition to our current group of young players...who the coach can mold as a unit for the next gold cup which I believe is 2015.
Thank you. I've seen him while he was at Louisville and you could've tell he would've played at the next level. Even one of my friends coached him at UNLV sing his praises all the time in regards to being top-notch.
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Don't know how many ppl see the youth play...I have many times and he is quality full stop. Will be a great addition to our current group of young players...who the coach can mold as a unit for the next gold cup which I believe is 2015.
I don't think I or anyone else questioned his ability. However, I do have respect for some of our other committed players, who are consistently expressing their availability. Plus, I think many of them are very good too...I have seen a few of them play.
Bottom line if he express an interest and want to try, fine..but how many times one must call, before a son, oops, or daughter ( by birth or attrition) answers. :devil:
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What does it say about the national team if you call up players who show no passion to play for the team or represent teh country? Quality of character should be valued too
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What does it say about the national team if you call up players who show no passion to play for the team or represent teh country? Quality of character should be valued too
The man wasn't born in Trinidad I think. So Trinidad was never his first option. I could understand that. He won't be the first footballer to do it.
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No doubt, but it'd be nice if a national team focused on those with a passion to play - one extra player of his quality wont have much effect on our qualification chances, but the principle might be nice to uphold ya know?
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What does it say about the national team if you call up players who show no passion to play for the team or represent teh country? Quality of character should be valued too
The man wasn't born in Trinidad I think. So Trinidad was never his first option. I could understand that. He won't be the first footballer to do it.
I doh understand why people feel like these second generation children supposed to automatically pick us first. As a footballer I would like to believe that many want to be in a good/ great National Team environment that has realistic chances of doing well in tournaments etc. They should also want to play (IMHO) with a national outfit that gives them the best chance to be seen and scouted if indeed they are serious about a career in football. I see nothing wrong with them considering all their options as well as taking the proper time to make a decision. My 9 year old proclaims to be Trini even though he born in the US and has been talking about representing T&T at whichever sport he finally settles into, but if in the future he decide to stay here where he has better facilities and training environments and has a change of heart, I cah be mad at that. People grossly unreasonable and overly demanding of these athletes and worse it seems on the young ones who might one day be potential legends for our outfit. The only reason some eh going overboard like they went with Aaron Maund is because small man last name has tremendous recognition and respect, otherwise I sure would be some immature ranting and cussing just because the youthman excercising his right to make his choice in his own time.
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call de man digicel have free international calls on de weekends
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at Scorpi,
and nothing wrong with that. He have every right, and from a football perspective it may serve the coach well. I all for Mr. Deleon making and playing for our National team, as in the footsteps of his father before him. My original question was, who is he replacing ? and depending on who, then what precedence does it set.
What ppl not discussing is for him to be called, someone has to be left out. So If all of the list I gave above declare their availabilty, and considering Dilly is better than "put yuh pic here", is it worth rejecting "yuh pick here" to make the TEAM slightly better ? Because for me, no one NEW (or old for that matter) man, would make a whole TEAM significantly better. Lebron & MJ couldn't do it, Messi, Ronaldo alone...Pele or Maradona couldn't...so my question is should we mess with a team obviously developing team chemistry for a initial slight increase in skill..is he that much better than Molino, Jones, Hector, Peltier, even Roberts, Guerra etc...to tell them and their teamates, "ah know you want to come thru, but hold on, this guy say he ready to play for we, let we see what he got"...
That being said, he could have come thru for these games in Jamaica, since we bringin Birch & Carlos, who will not be featuring, according to them, in the future, so would have been a nice opportunity...relaxed selection, he wouldn't even had had to commit, could have just been a guest player, and see how the vibes play all round. Theo, Birchie and Carlos, might have even help him make his mind up. Anyway, hope it works out for everyone, he and us. Let the REAL DILLY work on him
add: digicel :rotfl: what even Stern did only get text
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If he waiting for US to call him up.. he's in for a long wait. :) Also I don't blame him not to accept the invite..
It's really a tough decision.. oh and finley was an idiot, not the same thing, US did us a favor when they capped him.
Fin had a chance with the US squad and did nothing with it. Also however legendary his dad might be, they are 2 different people,
he isn't the next best thing since slice bread, also whats the difference from homegrown players vs Deleon? Facilities?
This whole topic is a bloody joke. Don't want to play for TNT? Fine! We will see u on the battlefield :D
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Q? has nick de leon played for or represented any of the u.s national youth teams under17 /under20?..??
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Q? has nick de leon played for or represented any of the u.s national youth teams under17 /under20?..??
No
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Seems to me that Jamaica does better with their overseas players of Jamaican heritage.
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Doh know why men bashing DeLeon so. We have men who grow in Trini from small, played in the SSFL, and still held back before committing to play for us. Here we have a man that born in the US, went through that youth system, and we vex because he harboring hopes of playing for the US.
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who bashing Deleon ? I think u on the wrong thread...
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/
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Doh know why men bashing DeLeon so. We have men who grow in Trini from small, played in the SSFL, and still held back before committing to play for us. Here we have a man that born in the US, went through that youth system, and we vex because he harboring hopes of playing for the US.
Exactly.
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If he waiting for US to call him up.. he's in for a long wait. :) Also I don't blame him not to accept the invite..
It's really a tough decision.. oh and finley was an idiot, not the same thing, US did us a favor when they capped him.
Fin had a chance with the US squad and did nothing with it. Also however legendary his dad might be, they are 2 different people,
he isn't the next best thing since slice bread, also whats the difference from homegrown players vs Deleon? Facilities?
This whole topic is a bloody joke. Don't want to play for TNT? Fine! We will see u on the battlefield :D
u really feel facilities for training on par with the us in Trini pal? If you ha to ax dat like if is ah leap den u ha tuh be sufferin wid yuh brains.
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huh? ???
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Men like rell talk yes...the ONLY reason I mention he damn father was too drive home the point dat he have ah direct lineage to effing TnT, did someone say he is not he father???? Really, he isn't??? look everybody could have dey opinion yes, mine (s) is call him up and salt for laborers like Dorsling and Gay et al!!!!!
Oh, and great post Scorpion!
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at Scorpi,
and nothing wrong with that. He have every right, and from a football perspective it may serve the coach well. I all for Mr. Deleon making and playing for our National team, as in the footsteps of his father before him. My original question was, who is he replacing ? and depending on who, then what precedence does it set.
What ppl not discussing is for him to be called, someone has to be left out. So If all of the list I gave above declare their availabilty, and considering Dilly is better than "put yuh pic here", is it worth rejecting "yuh pick here" to make the TEAM slightly better ? Because for me, no one NEW (or old for that matter) man, would make a whole TEAM significantly better. Lebron & MJ couldn't do it, Messi, Ronaldo alone...Pele or Maradona couldn't...so my question is should we mess with a team obviously developing team chemistry for a initial slight increase in skill..is he that much better than Molino, Jones, Hector, Peltier, even Roberts, Guerra etc...to tell them and their teamates, "ah know you want to come thru, but hold on, this guy say he ready to play for we, let we see what he got"...
That being said, he could have come thru for these games in Jamaica, since we bringin Birch & Carlos, who will not be featuring, according to them, in the future, so would have been a nice opportunity...relaxed selection, he wouldn't even had had to commit, could have just been a guest player, and see how the vibes play all round. Theo, Birchie and Carlos, might have even help him make his mind up. Anyway, hope it works out for everyone, he and us. Let the REAL DILLY work on him
add: digicel :rotfl: what even Stern did only get text
No player should feel like their spot is secure on the team, because there must always be competition for places. For us to just sit back and be content with what we have at present is a big mistake, in my opinion. We are also in a rebuilding phase so now is the time to scour the local leagues as well as foreign ones to find the RIGHT players to build the BEST team possible. Young Dilly could very well be one of those right players... We would never know unless we give the man a chance to see what he can offer.
And if he decides to rep T&T and is selected ahead of Molino, Jones, Hector, Peltier, Guerra. The onus would then be on them to work harder to regain that spot.
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Let the competition for selection and cementing a place on the national teams begin i'm all that, its the best possible thing that can be ..... no player / or players should be guaranteed a spot unless they are fully prepared to work damn hard to earn it ... and in so doing keep it ... !!! motto should be ..show us your deserve to be on our national team ...... it aint no work on no more ...( commitment , hard work, and discipline ) is what we looking for now and onwards...
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He's a good player by accounts and will probably add value. I think it is good for the TTFA to have asked the question to him. Haven't we complained in the past about being short on quality? So they are checking to ensure that all the quality options are being explored. Might as well let de Leon know that he has options and that his potential contribution has value. He made a decision, probably a smart one, and we can move on from that. Maybe he'll be ready later on and the opportunity is still open, maybe not.
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sure competition is good, totally agree with the above post..once it's organized and set. If that is the coaches' ground rules. hell yes....however, everything has to have a method, and organization and a timing, especially competition. Once coach and players alike, aware of when and what the standard is, then everybody could get a look see - a trial, especially observed quality..yet at some point coach has to stop looking and start extending the organization to what instructions he need..makes no sense spending a lot of time developing strategies, giving instructions, developing plays , get a smooth working analog machine, and the game going digital.
I all for new and dynamic people who would look into an invitation..but and not going to keep sending Obama an invitation, and he not coming and keep blanking the man down on the block, cause he not no bigshot..if meh house ketch fire, guess who most likely would help meh save mehself ?
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Why allyuh keep callin dis man?
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maxg point taken ..... while we here on the topic of team selection ... just read keon daniel has failed to show in jamaica for the friendly international .....hmmm oh gosh boy thats all i can say ..
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maxg point taken ..... while we here on the topic of team selection ... just read keon daniel has failed to show in jamaica for the friendly international .....hmmm oh gosh boy thats all i can say ..
Speechless...
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Some people misread me here - DeLeon should just declare for America and be done with it - I have no problem with him playing for teh country he identifies for. I have a problem with him keeping the T&T option open as he clearly doesn't give a damn about playing for us, just for playing for some national team. The problem isn't that he doesn't want to play for T&T per se, it's that given he doesn't want to play for T&T why does he keep the option open and why are we keeping him on our radar?
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maxg point taken ..... while we here on the topic of team selection ... just read keon daniel has failed to show in jamaica for the friendly international .....hmmm oh gosh boy thats all i can say ..
Time to let this fella go. How much chances must he get?
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maxg point taken ..... while we here on the topic of team selection ... just read keon daniel has failed to show in jamaica for the friendly international .....hmmm oh gosh boy thats all i can say ..
Time to let this fella go. How much chances must he get?
He never said No he is absolutely uninterested, he declined the invitation when sent last year I believe it was because he wasn't sure if he was ready to commit to playing for us at that time. He has every right to take his time with that decision and we have every right to check on him every so often to see if he has warmed to the idea. We don't have a pool the size of Brazil, Spain, et al so we have to keep all our options open and not be willing to dismiss quality player based on ego (because that is all this mentality could be about). Fottball is about pride and all of that but we supposed to be trying to build the best team possible so when we have potential quality like that out there we need to stick close and see what develops. Try telling the six countries trying to sway Januzaj that they should leave him alone until he say I want to play for (insert qualifying nation here) nah. Get real.
Maxg I see yuh point and totally get it. I disagree with only a small part of it as I believe right now is the absolute perfect time to be exploring. BraveHart already seems to have his style and philosophy down and so far the players seem to be transitioning smoothly so why not do it during this period so that we understand better how all our potential pieces fit together? I would have a different outlook if we already on the road to Qatar and NDL finally say awrite I comin dong when he notice we doin good and look like we dey. Then we could talk about timing being wrong. But right now while we building up and getting into a grove is when we need to know if Nick could add that extra spark we might need in attack (even if we don't need to use him til later down the line).
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"we have to keep out options open" is the type of attitude I personally don't really like - there are a hundred or so players in the pro league who would bite their hand off at the chance to play for T&T; do you want to be represented by DeLeon instead of someone with some pride in their country of birth?
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I want to be represented by de best footballers available, but dais just me eh.
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I want to be represented by de best footballers available, but dais just me eh.
Dat's cool, no problem if that's your position. Personally fed up of players and their attitudes in general - would really welcome a greater emphasis on character.
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Allyuh feel is community small goal or wha? Possibly large amounts of future income could be riding on dis decision, and man talking bout passion to play for national side? De man never disrespect Trini in any way, words or action, never say he would never play for Trini, why we cyah let de man take he time and figure out a complex situation? Tiresais, why yuh doh go and serve in de army or be a police for free, if de idea of paying bills and feeding yuh family totally irrelevant because of passion, loyalty and excitement when yuh hear Trinidad and Tobago?
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Allyuh feel is community small goal or wha? Possibly large amounts of future income could be riding on dis decision, and man talking bout passion to play for national side? De man never disrespect Trini in any way, words or action, never say he would never play for Trini, why we cyah let de man take he time and figure out a complex situation? Tiresais, why yuh doh go and serve in de army or be a police for free, if de idea of paying bills and feeding yuh family totally irrelevant because of passion, loyalty and excitement when yuh hear Trinidad and Tobago?
Well I feel turning down the call is disrespectful personally - we differ on what we want from a national team. I disagree that playing for the national team should be a career decision - it should be an honour bestowed on a chosen few to represent the nation. Ironically the Army and Police are career choices, so I personally wouldn't consider them comparable. He can pay his bills and feed his family more than enough on his salary as it stands - he doesn't need national team caps to fulfil that part of his life.
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Some of you all are living in a frigging bubble. Talking about pride, ego and all that bs.. It's about results at the end of the day. Birchall was a league 2 players or something and jumped at the opportunity to play for us. He got lucky and ended up in a World Cup. He played alongside Beckham in the US. What national pride? We didn't even qualify for the final round this time. The program is in tatters and football in Trinidad is in tatters. We need to build something from the ground up. We need EVERYONE available if we are to reproduce the miracle that was World Cup 2006. You all think too much and tote too much feels. Get the best 11 on the field regardless of what it looks like. The name of the game is results.
Why don't you go and protest Shabaaz being a national coach? How's that for national pride. Some of you all fight the wrong battles. National pride is ensuring that your stadiums are maintained and available for athletes to use. National pride is getting sponsorship for your athletes from various corporate entities. National pride is a strong military. National pride is not picking a local based team to run down a ball.
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Some of you all are living in a frigging bubble. Talking about pride, ego and all that bs.. It's about results at the end of the day. Birchall was a league 2 players or something and jumped at the opportunity to play for us. He got lucky and ended up in a World Cup. He played alongside Beckham in the US. What national pride? We didn't even qualify for the final round this time. The program is in tatters and football in Trinidad is in tatters. We need to build something from the ground up. We need EVERYONE available if we are to reproduce the miracle that was World Cup 2006. You all think too much and tote too much feels. Get the best 11 on the field regardless of what it looks like. The name of the game is results.
Why don't you go and protest Shabaaz being a national coach? How's that for national pride. Some of you all fight the wrong battles. National pride is ensuring that your stadiums are maintained and available for athletes to use. National pride is getting sponsorship for your athletes from various corporate entities. National pride is a strong military. National pride is not picking a local based team to run down a ball.
No need to get angry man, we have different conceptions of pride and what we want from a national team. Shabazz is Trinidadian, but Trini's 2nd ever coach was Hungarian so that boat has sailed if you're talking about that (but ya personally I prefer coaches to be nationals and non-coup participators...). Clearly if you think taht the best 11 on the pitch wins the game you missed Greece winning the European cup! I think discipline and the right attitude are more important than pure skill at the national level, where players don't play together for any major period of time bar the competition - in that situation having players with a good mentality and the discipline to fit into the coach's plans seems more important. Players there for personal gain play like that - Ibrahimovic is a case-in-point.
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Tiresais you have a weird sense of pride you attach to this thing I find. I don't see how declining an invitation while you take time to make the right decision based on many factors that you seem to want to ignore can be viewed as disrespectful. If both T&T and the U.S. called him up, would you find it disrespectful that he chose the land of his birth? Would it not be a prudent career choice given that the U.S. play in much bigger tournaments and do fairly well given where the sport ranks in the U.S.? Wouldn't that create better potential opportunities for him to move on to a better league than MLS if he was able to stand out? Congo is right to point out that it is indeed a career decision and should not be taken lightly. You point out how many players back home would bite off their own hand for a call up and that might very well be true, but are they of the same quality level? I don't doubt we have lots of talent back home, but I dare you to name 3 local players that are of comparable quality right now. If we are to treat football seriously as a nation then ego, pride, and feelings have to be left out of the equation as all it does is cloud people's judgments and cause illdecision making. You mention Greece but that was just their year and it is a fluke in the grand scheme of things. That is why no one expected it because they never had the best 11. Any team can get shocked on any given day but more often the team with the best 11 wins which is why England always sucks. You bring up Zlatan but the core chemistry of their team's consistency fluctuates so he can never be as consistently magical for them as he is for club. And yet he is always there and never says club more important right now so how is that about personal gain. I not sure I really understand what your gripe is about NDL because he has yet to offer anything that should be deemed even remotely disrespectful when discussing T&T.
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Tiresais you have a weird sense of pride you attach to this thing I find. I don't see how declining an invitation while you take time to make the right decision based on many factors that you seem to want to ignore can be viewed as disrespectful. If both T&T and the U.S. called him up, would you find it disrespectful that he chose the land of his birth? Would it not be a prudent career choice given that the U.S. play in much bigger tournaments and do fairly well given where the sport ranks in the U.S.? Wouldn't that create better potential opportunities for him to move on to a better league than MLS if he was able to stand out? Congo is right to point out that it is indeed a career decision and should not be taken lightly. You point out how many players back home would bite off their own hand for a call up and that might very well be true, but are they of the same quality level? I don't doubt we have lots of talent back home, but I dare you to name 3 local players that are of comparable quality right now. If we are to treat football seriously as a nation then ego, pride, and feelings have to be left out of the equation as all it does is cloud people's judgments and cause illdecision making. You mention Greece but that was just their year and it is a fluke in the grand scheme of things. That is why no one expected it because they never had the best 11. Any team can get shocked on any given day but more often the team with the best 11 wins which is why England always sucks. You bring up Zlatan but the core chemistry of their team's consistency fluctuates so he can never be as consistently magical for them as he is for club. And yet he is always there and never says club more important right now so how is that about personal gain. I not sure I really understand what your gripe is about NDL because he has yet to offer anything that should be deemed even remotely disrespectful when discussing T&T.
I think again you're slightly misrepresenting my position - if he declines the invitation then it's clear that he wants to play for the USA, no problem absolutely not. Then why doesn't he declare for the USA and close the Trinidad option? My position comes from a different desire for what national team football should represent - they should be the embodiment of the nation and given the honour of representing. Thus from my point of view it shouldn't be a career decision. As I said, no problem if you see it as a pragmatic career decision, but that's not how I see it :). With that in mind, passion and feelings are essential - I'd rather have an on-paper poorer team full of players who can't thank their lucky stars enough to be playing, than a first eleven of mercenaries taking a pragmatic career decision - the latter will probably win more games sure, but I wouldn't want them representing myself personally.
In terms of local players, I've personally seen that Joevin Jones, Kevon Carter, and Subero have some quality about them. Of course I'm quite ignorant of the subject having only seen one game (one more than DeLeon mind!), but as I've established I would personally prefer a team picked with character in mind. Again you say that Greece is a fluke, but you consistently see "upsets" in international competitions, which are often caused by a combination of discipline and/or passion. For example in World Cups, Germany 2006, Turkey and South Korea 2002, Croatia 1998, Sweden and Bulgaria 1994. As an example from the other side, simply look at the performance of France in the past couple World Cups - on paper excellent teams but character really matters when you have a team unfamiliar with each other, playing sometimes unfamiliar tactics, and living together for two or three weeks. In these situations, being united with a common passion can be really important, and with mercenaries looking out for themselves there's always an issue (one of the biggest issues with England and France).
So yea let me not say that your position is incorrect - clearly there are numerous merits to it, but it's not where I'm coming from - we have a difference in philosophy :)
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I think again you're slightly misrepresenting my position - if he declines the invitation then it's clear that he wants to play for the USA, no problem absolutely not. Then why doesn't he declare for the USA and close the Trinidad option? My position comes from a different desire for what national team football should represent - they should be the embodiment of the nation and given the honour of representing. Thus from my point of view it shouldn't be a career decision. As I said, no problem if you see it as a pragmatic career decision, but that's not how I see it :). With that in mind, passion and feelings are essential - I'd rather have an on-paper poorer team full of players who can't thank their lucky stars enough to be playing, than a first eleven of mercenaries taking a pragmatic career decision - the latter will probably win more games sure, but I wouldn't want them representing myself personally.
In terms of local players, I've personally seen that Joevin Jones, Kevon Carter, and Subero have some quality about them. Of course I'm quite ignorant of the subject having only seen one game (one more than DeLeon mind!), but as I've established I would personally prefer a team picked with character in mind. Again you say that Greece is a fluke, but you consistently see "upsets" in international competitions, which are often caused by a combination of discipline and/or passion. For example in World Cups, Germany 2006, Turkey and South Korea 2002, Croatia 1998, Sweden and Bulgaria 1994. As an example from the other side, simply look at the performance of France in the past couple World Cups - on paper excellent teams but character really matters when you have a team unfamiliar with each other, playing sometimes unfamiliar tactics, and living together for two or three weeks. In these situations, being united with a common passion can be really important, and with mercenaries looking out for themselves there's always an issue (one of the biggest issues with England and France).
So yea let me not say that your position is incorrect - clearly there are numerous merits to it, but it's not where I'm coming from - we have a difference in philosophy :)
Not necessarily so. It could very well be that he wants to wait and see what the federation is doing and how things progress. Given the way things were run before I don't see it as anything more than prudent to wait if you have that luxury as clearly he does. What would have happened if he jumped right in, got capped and the whole program in disarray? He might very well want to play for T&T and grew up believing one day he would represent us but came to realize is not being run well enough to take the chance yet. He could also very well be torn on whom to choose. He could want to play here for various reasons, yet also feel a connection to T&T and giving himself enough time so that if he does decide to join us that he doesn't have regrets.
Dude yuh iz ah mad man awat?! France was great on paper last go round? Steups! France was in tatters with a shit coach and squeek een de WC the last time. They got just what was deserved and didn't surprise anyone paying attention to what was going on. England isn't filled with mercinaries, it is laden with overrated players. Because the EPL is more widely viewed and some stand out there people seem to feel they should be good but in reality they aren't great as a team. I don't think any of those players don the white and red for any reason other than wanting to represent their country so unless you have a different definition of mercinary I not seeing that angle not one bit.
I can whole heartedly agree with your final sentence.
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huh? ???
I live in the us fyi and I can tell you that facilities don't make a great footballer, its all about the player discipline, tolerance and production.
what ? sorry..don't know how I come in that facilty talk...I was freakin on the brain suffering diagnosis...anyhow...carry on
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Not sure I can agree with you on France - in 2010 finished last in their group behind Uruguay, Mexico and South Africa (surely you agree that was an underperformance, with Ribéry, Henry, Gallas, Sagna, and Abidal). In 2006 they finished 2nd in a group with South Korea, Togo, and Switzerland before eventually getting their ass in gear and coming second. In 2002 (Lizarazu, Viera, Henry, Desailly, Zidane, Thuram, Petit, Barthez, Makélélé, and Trezeguet) they yet again finished last in the group stage in a group with Uruguay, Senegal and Denmark.I'd argue that their 2006 squad was their weakest!
English players can be mercenaries AND overrated you know :p
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Tiresais, I am starting to believe that you are a professional troll. What mercenary talk are you coming with now? Are you calling the players who play for France mercenaries? Do you even understand France's history pertaining to colonies and immigration? Have you ever been to France and Paris and see the different races and nationalities all living peacefully there? What mercenary talk are you coming with England. As far as I am aware England hasn't fielded a foreign born player in their national team in the last decade. Even if they did, are you aware that you can attain a European passport if your grandparent is European? It's in your blood and it's therefore your right.
You are so myopic. I love the fact that you speak about passion and character but how can you expect that from your national team when it doesn't exist in the wider society? I rather professionalism and work ethic when it comes to national sport. The game is about results and a lil bit of luck. All the passion in the world can't raise ur skill level. ;)
We already have a tiny pool of players to select from and you wanna talk about excluding players because they haven't committed to TNT? Steups. You really want to throw Super League men into the deep end? This is 2013 football. Get a grip. Super League is probably equivalent to Conference in England. If so high.
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Congo - yuh wrong! the ones I can recall Owen Hargreaves, Wilfred Zaha, Raheem Sterling are all born outside the UK but have played for the Full MNT within the past decade I'm sure there are more.
And what is wrong with someone feeling there should be a different standard when considering for national selection? I don't think he ever said everyone else is idiots only my opinion makes sense. He clearly said it was his personal opinion. However I do agree that Deleon hasn't really been dismissive of T&T and we already set ah precedent with Hoyte, Shaka, Zamora, J'lloyod etc .... they say no first time but we keep coming back. I have said enough about Zamora so I say no more on this topic.
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Tiresais, I am starting to believe that you are a professional troll. What mercenary talk are you coming with now? Are you calling the players who play for France mercenaries? Do you even understand France's history pertaining to colonies and immigration? Have you ever been to France and Paris and see the different races and nationalities all living peacefully there? What mercenary talk are you coming with England. As far as I am aware England hasn't fielded a foreign born player in their national team in the last decade. Even if they did, are you aware that you can attain a European passport if your grandparent is European? It's in your blood and it's therefore your right.
You are so myopic. I love the fact that you speak about passion and character but how can you expect that from your national team when it doesn't exist in the wider society? I rather professionalism and work ethic when it comes to national sport. The game is about results and a lil bit of luck. All the passion in the world can't raise ur skill level. ;)
We already have a tiny pool of players to select from and you wanna talk about excluding players because they haven't committed to TNT? Steups. You really want to throw Super League men into the deep end? This is 2013 football. Get a grip. Super League is probably equivalent to Conference in England. If so high.
Congo, you and others hitting home runs with allyuh insights/opinions on this topic!!!!!
Give thanks bredda.
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I think De Leon could very well end up playing for T&T. However, I don't understand this idea that he's going to make the commitment any time soon.
It's true he just had a sub-par season, but then again so did his entire team. And his rookie year was excellent, so it could have just been a "sophomore slump".
His odds of making the USA's World Cup squad are certainly poor. But if there are a few key injuries and he has a strong start in MLS next season then who knows what could happen? Plus, T&T aren't looking at beginning WC qualification until 2 years from now.
So where's the rush? It's in Nick's best interest to be patient and wait a while longer.
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Tiresais, I am starting to believe that you are a professional troll. What mercenary talk are you coming with now? Are you calling the players who play for France mercenaries? Do you even understand France's history pertaining to colonies and immigration? Have you ever been to France and Paris and see the different races and nationalities all living peacefully there? What mercenary talk are you coming with England. As far as I am aware England hasn't fielded a foreign born player in their national team in the last decade. Even if they did, are you aware that you can attain a European passport if your grandparent is European? It's in your blood and it's therefore your right.
You are so myopic. I love the fact that you speak about passion and character but how can you expect that from your national team when it doesn't exist in the wider society? I rather professionalism and work ethic when it comes to national sport. The game is about results and a lil bit of luck. All the passion in the world can't raise ur skill level. ;)
We already have a tiny pool of players to select from and you wanna talk about excluding players because they haven't committed to TNT? Steups. You really want to throw Super League men into the deep end? This is 2013 football. Get a grip. Super League is probably equivalent to Conference in England. If so high.
Woah woah woah mate you're making arguments against points I didn't make - mercenary has absolutely nothing to do with any other nationalities they hold. "Mercenaries" were in this case players with little passion in the national game and who make the decision purely out of furthering their own career. Accusing me of quasi-racism is really low, and totally far from the mark. I am damn proud that England has fielded so many players from 2nd and 3rd generation migrants - they're as British as I am if not more British - and they wear the shirt with pride. Really I'm surprised you'd even jump to that conclusion.
As Rodney said - we have different opinions, neither is better than the other - I'm not looking for 'professionalism' as much as I am discipline, passion, and unification around the concept that they represent their country more than they do their individual pride. You're looking for that, that's cool, there's a hella lot of good reasons for that. With that in mind, yea I'm very happy to throw Super League players in the deep end if they're good representatives of Trinidad, and if they fail then they'll adapt and get better if they're determined and serious about representing Trinidad. If it doesn't exist in wider society then we need to start somewhere - why not football?
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I think De Leon could very well end up playing for T&T. However, I don't understand this idea that he's going to make the commitment any time soon.
It's true he just had a sub-par season, but then again so did his entire team. And his rookie year was excellent, so it could have just been a "sophomore slump".
His odds of making the USA's World Cup squad are certainly poor. But if there are a few key injuries and he has a strong start in MLS next season then who knows what could happen? Plus, T&T aren't looking at beginning WC qualification until 2 years from now.
So where's the rush? It's in Nick's best interest to be patient and wait a while longer.
Can we please make the above the last post on dis subject until we have new developments, please allyuh???
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So has he decided to join us yet ?
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With teh present American coach bias aganist teh MLS players, yuh have to be very outstanding to make that team Nick yuh time running out on opportunities to show case on teh big stage- Make ah decision
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:cursing:Why allyuh keep calling this man? He is a YANKEE and YANKEES DON'T want to play for any other country.
It's not about "soccer" for them it's the flag.They have pledged an allegiance. Name one American player who crossed over.
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The man is not big enough of a player for us either.
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What are the positives of playing for us?
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The man is not big enough of a player for us either.
Yeah but i am sure he can make our starting 11
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The man is not big enough of a player for us either.
He easily makes our starting eleven
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I know why allyuh callin de man..allyuh tryin to help de man get a call up by de U.S team...he wouldn't get called by the U.S team..
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I certainly wouldn't mind seeing De Leon and Joevin operating on the left side of a TnT lineup.
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https://www.youtube.com/v/6KVXJvmJg7E
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Saw it last night on sports center, wild and entertaining game. Spectacular goal!
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Too bad it seems like he doesn't want to play for us. He could definitely help the team. This year he has really worked on the defensive side of his game, to go with his attacking ability.
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don't see why he still has a thread dedicated to him.
Not hating
he not on representing trini
so he not that important to our needs again.
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All the begging and pleading didn't change his mind.
If our Professional Football clubs put emphasis on strong grass root football development in various local communities years ago then we will be reaping the rewards today at the senior level. If this had been done years ago will not be in this predicament today of feeling the need to beg and encourage foreign born players to play for our senior team.
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All the begging and pleading didn't change his mind.
If our Professional Football clubs put emphasis on strong grass root football development in various local communities years ago then we will be reaping the rewards today at the senior level. If this had been done years ago will not be in this predicament today of feeling the need to beg and encourage foreign born players to play for our senior team.
Breds, If what had been done years ago? Look, the ball was always in his court. This guy father is a legend in football. Where does his father stand in this? What if he told him not to play football as long as Jack Warner in charge. Remember Jack, the special advisor was still around when this youth came on the scene. Nick probably saw all the crap going on with we football. He did not want to be in this bachanal. Maybe his little sister told him about our football. Remember Jessica use to play for our youth team not too long ago. Look if he doh ever play for us, it does not matter. I still like him as a player. Did we beg Boucaud to come? Did we do anything special to attract him. It appears He took upon himself to rep. RBW. He is now the captain of his club team. It was always and IT will Always be Nick decision to want to play for TT.
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His father was a legend but he look average..
Bostock look like he have more talent.. I don't know why people making a big fuss about this youth.
You wanna hear a player that we should include in our wcq squad that have more talent than these guys:
Levi Garcia...
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Levi Garcia, eh foreign born. He is a national player. The reason he was not called up because he just started his training with the Dutch club. I am almost certain he will be on the squad. The only issue is if he start getting pressure for the club not to play certain games that maybe important for us, the club may not think that it is.
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And as far as Bostock is concerned, he needs to want to play for us also. I can't remember hearing him say that he wants to play for TT. We keep hearing it from the horses mouths. I think he is good enough to play for us. But does he really want to play for us? And he needs to play a couple cobo sweats to make sure he is the real deal.
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Levi Garcia, eh foreign born. He is a national player. The reason he was not called up because he just started his training with the Dutch club. I am almost certain he will be on the squad. The only issue is if he start getting pressure for the club not to play certain games that maybe important for us, the club may not think that it is.
Exactly my point brother.. People are complaining that we are going after foreign born, but Levi is local and has more talent..
We have more like him locally, it's about harnessing that talent and scouting it.. The Dutch leagues know caps will help their players..
They will not be against him playing national football.. The reason he wasn't there earlier was because he was playing school football at a time, that has now changed.. So we should see him in national colours in the near future...
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All the begging and pleading didn't change his mind.
If our Professional Football clubs put emphasis on strong grass root football development in various local communities years ago then we will be reaping the rewards today at the senior level. If this had been done years ago will not be in this predicament today of feeling the need to beg and encourage foreign born players to play for our senior team.
you don't like those people born abroad eh
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And as far as Bostock is concerned, he needs to want to play for us also. I can't remember hearing him say that he wants to play for TT. We keep hearing it from the horses mouths. I think he is good enough to play for us. But does he really want to play for us? And he needs to play a couple cobo sweats to make sure he is the real deal.
he first made contact with our federation btw
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And as far as Bostock is concerned, he needs to want to play for us also. I can't remember hearing him say that he wants to play for TT. We keep hearing it from the horses mouths. I think he is good enough to play for us. But does he really want to play for us? And he needs to play a couple cobo sweats to make sure he is the real deal.
he first made contact with our federation btw
See, I can't remember TTFF mentioning that. I hearing that from you. But if that is really true, then we probably might see him for the next game or cobo sweat.
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All the begging and pleading didn't change his mind.
If our Professional Football clubs put emphasis on strong grass root football development in various local communities years ago then we will be reaping the rewards today at the senior level. If this had been done years ago will not be in this predicament today of feeling the need to beg and encourage foreign born players to play for our senior team.
you don't like those people born abroad eh
Worry about the content of my post. The main points of my post and don't bother to cry about why you think about me
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We was 'begging' the Hoytes and them too. Jlloyd, etc.
Anybody with a chance of playing for a higher ranked country will need convincing. That's reality. Until they realize they have no chance again and they fall in with us.
As long as they 100 on the field and ain't causing discord in the locker room, bring them all. I a pragmatist, though.
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I think Jay Lloyd could still play a role.
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What are the positives of playing for us?
Huge bonuses from the TTFA! (http://www.clipart.comeze.com/avatars/images/dollar_sign.png)
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What are the positives of playing for us?
Huge bonuses from the TTFA! (http://www.clipart.comeze.com/avatars/images/dollar_sign.png)
You get to go to the gold cup and World Cup and become captain of your team.
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Levi Garcia, eh foreign born. He is a national player. The reason he was not called up because he just started his training with the Dutch club. I am almost certain he will be on the squad. The only issue is if he start getting pressure for the club not to play certain games that maybe important for us, the club may not think that it is.
Exactly my point brother.. People are complaining that we are going after foreign born, but Levi is local and has more talent..
We have more like him locally, it's about harnessing that talent and scouting it.. The Dutch leagues know caps will help their players..
They will not be against him playing national football.. The reason he wasn't there earlier was because he was playing school football at a time, that has now changed.. So we should see him in national colours in the near future...
Deeks and Contro its almost like you think we want DeLeon over Garcia. What me and other members are saying is that we want both. As far as ive seen Garcia is a pure winger in our current 4-3-3/ 4-4-2 he would take either Cato or Cummings spots next to Jones. From what ive seen for DC this year I think DeLeon is a two way player he would play further back. Even if he does not start he would be a valuable sub.
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Levi Garcia, eh foreign born. He is a national player. The reason he was not called up because he just started his training with the Dutch club. I am almost certain he will be on the squad. The only issue is if he start getting pressure for the club not to play certain games that maybe important for us, the club may not think that it is.
Exactly my point brother.. People are complaining that we are going after foreign born, but Levi is local and has more talent..
We have more like him locally, it's about harnessing that talent and scouting it.. The Dutch leagues know caps will help their players..
They will not be against him playing national football.. The reason he wasn't there earlier was because he was playing school football at a time, that has now changed.. So we should see him in national colours in the near future...
Deeks and Contro its almost like you think we want DeLeon over Garcia. What me and other members are saying is that we want both. As far as ive seen Garcia is a pure winger in our current 4-3-3/ 4-4-2 he would take either Cato or Cummings spots next to Jones. From what ive seen for DC this year I think DeLeon is a two way player he would play further back. Even if he does not start he would be a valuable sub.
I never said I don't want Deleon .... I said forget all the begging for a player who doesn't care to run out for us, when we have locals that are just as good or better.. So there doesn't need to be any fear of lack of talent and having to beg when we have locally..
If he wants to humble himself and come... Definitely..
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Dynamite, I am not accusing you of anything. I honestly don't feel he will play for us. That is just a feeling. But I could be wrong. But I can understand the doubt he has about our national program. The problem is not the national team perse. It is about the Football administration. Hey, players come and go. We will always have a foreign born willing to rep RBW. Look at Khalifa!!! She knows how to hold the flag better than some prominent native born Trini. I like Nick. He does not have the cult status like his dad. But that is a bit unfair to the kid. Superstars don't always produce superstars. But the kid can play football. He is creating his own world. We don't know the kind of relationship he had with Leroy. I think that is important. Did Leroy encouraged him to play. Did Leroy tell him not to play. We don't know. If allyuh don't like him, ask the mod to take the thread out.
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Allyuh f00kin comical oui!! So Nick supposed to want to humble heself and come into this mess that we constantly complain about that is our federation? He supposed to want to make his international football debut in a program rife with bullshit and political meandering? For what, so that some of you jackasses could pat him on the back and say he is one ah we? What that doing for him exactly? Nick was born in the US and played all his football over here, why do any of you feel so entitled that he should need to humble himself and join? Nick is an American of Trini decent wdf he need to submit heself. Allyuh over bold with allyuh bullshit oui. If de yute feel he have a chance to rep the country of his birth then that should be his right to explore to the fullest extent. If or when that doesn't work out then he can explore other options including playing for us. In the meantime given our player pool, our federation should keep tabs on him and should keep the door open. If they have contact with him, the should periodically remind him that we are interested. Begging? Steups allyuh on shit!
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Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ .... Well Said .. boss
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Allyuh f00kin comical oui!! So Nick supposed to want to humble heself and come into this mess that we constantly complain about that is our federation? He supposed to want to make his international football debut in a program rife with bullshit and political meandering? For what, so that some of you jackasses could pat him on the back and say he is one ah we? What that doing for him exactly? Nick was born in the US and played all his football over here, why do any of you feel so entitled that he should need to humble himself and join? Nick is an American of Trini decent wdf he need to submit heself. Allyuh over bold with allyuh bullshit oui. If de yute feel he have a chance to rep the country of his birth then that should be his right to explore to the fullest extent. If or when that doesn't work out then he can explore other options including playing for us. In the meantime given our player pool, our federation should keep tabs on him and should keep the door open. If they have contact with him, the should periodically remind him that we are interested. Begging? Steups allyuh on shit!
so getting national caps doesn't add value to the player's career?
i guess repping your nation is secondary to ego now, like Nick doing we a favor right?
whether the TTFA is in disarray, we still have a talented team that could have gone to the finals of the Gold cup.. so despite all the bobol, we still played well and the players stayed..
so if Nick can humble himself despite the situation and realize he not bigger than the national team.. he is welcomed.. if not, good luck
like allyuh like promoting this star boy attitude, there is no I in TEAM...
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Allyuh f00kin comical oui!! So Nick supposed to want to humble heself and come into this mess that we constantly complain about that is our federation? He supposed to want to make his international football debut in a program rife with bullshit and political meandering? For what, so that some of you jackasses could pat him on the back and say he is one ah we? What that doing for him exactly? Nick was born in the US and played all his football over here, why do any of you feel so entitled that he should need to humble himself and join? Nick is an American of Trini decent wdf he need to submit heself. Allyuh over bold with allyuh bullshit oui. If de yute feel he have a chance to rep the country of his birth then that should be his right to explore to the fullest extent. If or when that doesn't work out then he can explore other options including playing for us. In the meantime given our player pool, our federation should keep tabs on him and should keep the door open. If they have contact with him, the should periodically remind him that we are interested. Begging? Steups allyuh on shit!
so getting national caps doesn't add value to the player's career?
i guess repping your nation is secondary to ego now, like Nick doing we a favor right?
whether the TTFA is in disarray, we still have a talented team that could have gone to the finals of the Gold cup.. so despite all the bobol, we still played well and the players stayed..
so if Nick can humble himself despite the situation and realize he not bigger than the national team.. he is welcomed.. if not, good luck
like allyuh like promoting this star boy attitude, there is no I in TEAM...
Why does Nick have to humble himself? And what gave you the impression that his attitude is that of a "star boy"? He simply chose not to represent T&T at the time he was asked 2 years ago. How is that different from the Hoyte brothers who did the same and later had a change of mind when they realized they did not have a chance of representing their country of birth?
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so getting national caps doesn't add value to the player's career?
i guess repping your nation is secondary to ego now, like Nick doing we a favor right?
whether the TTFA is in disarray, we still have a talented team that could have gone to the finals of the Gold cup.. so despite all the bobol, we still played well and the players stayed..
so if Nick can humble himself despite the situation and realize he not bigger than the national team.. he is welcomed.. if not, good luck
like allyuh like promoting this star boy attitude, there is no I in TEAM...
What exactly has playing for T&T done for any of our players careers recently?
Trinidad & Tobago is not Nick's nation, it is his father's. So stop talking ah pack ah shyte bout ego.
At this point in his career if he honestly believes that he has a chance with the US, he would indeed (from his perspective) be doing T&T a favor.
Could have? Steups! If dealing with the TTFA is (the GC squad) their only legitimate avenue to international football then that is their business, what that have to do with Nick?
Until Nick give up any ideas of repping the nation of his birth he doesn't have to humble and do anything. This have nothing to do with no starboy bullshit. It has to do with a player making whatever choice he sees as being best for him and within whatever timing suits him.
You musse mad oui ::)
Why does Nick have to humble himself? And what gave you the impression that his attitude is that of a "star boy"? He simply chose not to represent T&T at the time he was asked 2 years ago. How is that different from the Hoyte brothers who did the same and later had a change of mind when they realized they did not have a chance of representing their country of birth?
Doh study Contro and he shit nah steups
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Allyuh f00kin comical oui!! So Nick supposed to want to humble heself and come into this mess that we constantly complain about that is our federation? He supposed to want to make his international football debut in a program rife with bullshit and political meandering? For what, so that some of you jackasses could pat him on the back and say he is one ah we? What that doing for him exactly? Nick was born in the US and played all his football over here, why do any of you feel so entitled that he should need to humble himself and join? Nick is an American of Trini decent wdf he need to submit heself. Allyuh over bold with allyuh bullshit oui. If de yute feel he have a chance to rep the country of his birth then that should be his right to explore to the fullest extent. If or when that doesn't work out then he can explore other options including playing for us. In the meantime given our player pool, our federation should keep tabs on him and should keep the door open. If they have contact with him, the should periodically remind him that we are interested. Begging? Steups allyuh on shit!
so getting national caps doesn't add value to the player's career?
i guess repping your nation is secondary to ego now, like Nick doing we a favor right?
whether the TTFA is in disarray, we still have a talented team that could have gone to the finals of the Gold cup.. so despite all the bobol, we still played well and the players stayed..
so if Nick can humble himself despite the situation and realize he not bigger than the national team.. he is welcomed.. if not, good luck
like allyuh like promoting this star boy attitude, there is no I in TEAM...
Why does Nick have to humble himself? And what gave you the impression that his attitude is that of a "star boy"? He simply chose not to represent T&T at the time he was asked 2 years ago. How is that different from the Hoyte brothers who did the same and later had a change of mind when they realized they did not have a chance of representing their country of birth?
i think every player should humble themselves when playing for their nation, its a privilege to play for your country.. jmo
well the way Mad scorpion came across, was like Nick is bigger than the team... I didn't say Nick's attitude was that of a star boy, I said that scorpion shouldn't be promoting any star boy attitude when it comes to national football..
never said it was different from the Hoyte's... i believe i had a similar stance in that regard as well...
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so getting national caps doesn't add value to the player's career?
i guess repping your nation is secondary to ego now, like Nick doing we a favor right?
whether the TTFA is in disarray, we still have a talented team that could have gone to the finals of the Gold cup.. so despite all the bobol, we still played well and the players stayed..
so if Nick can humble himself despite the situation and realize he not bigger than the national team.. he is welcomed.. if not, good luck
like allyuh like promoting this star boy attitude, there is no I in TEAM...
What exactly has playing for T&T done for any of our players careers recently?
Trinidad & Tobago is not Nick's nation, it is his father's. So stop talking ah pack ah shyte bout ego.
At this point in his career if he honestly believes that he has a chance with the US, he would indeed (from his perspective) be doing T&T a favor.
Could have? Steups! If dealing with the TTFA is (the GC squad) their only legitimate avenue to international football then that is their business, what that have to do with Nick?
Until Nick give up any ideas of repping the nation of his birth he doesn't have to humble and do anything. This have nothing to do with no starboy bullshit. It has to do with a player making whatever choice he sees as being best for him and within whatever timing suits him.
You musse mad oui ::)
Why does Nick have to humble himself? And what gave you the impression that his attitude is that of a "star boy"? He simply chose not to represent T&T at the time he was asked 2 years ago. How is that different from the Hoyte brothers who did the same and later had a change of mind when they realized they did not have a chance of representing their country of birth?
Doh study Contro and he shit nah steups
so if being an international footballer does nothing for our players... they should forget about playing national football then... it is not always what someone can do for you, it is about pride, the ability to play in the world cup, at the highest level..
players locally who can't get work permits, need international football.. use your brain nah..
any player who thinks they are doing us a favor, shouldn't play for TT, do they also feel the same way about the US, is Deleon doing them a favor as well in your opinion?
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Eh... USA squad hard to get into. For all the years I've watched MLS.. I've never really seen him make any headlines. with that said he must be decent to get a call up. In addition with the likes of Bobby and Jordan featuring for USA as upcoming stars who knows what can be in the cards for him.
It would be sad if USA used then discard like Findley but lets face it.. Robbie blew his chances. Bold move, but hey if he wants USA, who wouldn't, they have fantastic camp with all sorts of devices and facilities in place, a great brand of football, wearing nikeys and they get paid on time with bonuses.
I don't blame him one bit.
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You would like all players to be humble and enthusiastic about playing for their parents nation but it doesn't always work that way. Jermaine Jones was arguably the US best outfield player but he never wanted to play for them until his Germany chances were nil. In fact he was capped 3 times by Germany before his first US call up. But last world cup his dedication and ability was there for all to see. I do agree that any player who joins the team must assimilate to the program but its almost like some feel that this is only a problem with foreign born players. Take Haiti this gold cup their best player was a local born player who thought he was bigger than the team and got sent home. Conversely all the French born players did their role and listened to the coach. Same with Alves Powell and Jamaica. I think as long as a player can help you it doesnt hurt to keep asking and recruiting because he may one day say yes.
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so if being an international footballer does nothing for our players... they should forget about playing national football then... it is not always what someone can do for you, it is about pride, the ability to play in the world cup, at the highest level..
players locally who can't get work permits, need international football.. use your brain nah..
any player who thinks they are doing us a favor, shouldn't play for TT, do they also feel the same way about the US, is Deleon doing them a favor as well in your opinion?
Did you notice the word lately or yuh purposely ignoring it. What has international football done for our warriors lately? Nick doh need a contract in Guatemala, Mexico or Thailand.
Why would he feel like he is doing HIS country a favor when playing for them. That is where he will be most proud to be suited up. Maybe you need to take a break and reread what I have said and re-examine your comprehension of what you are reading.
You would like all players to be humble and enthusiastic about playing for their parents nation but it doesn't always work that way. Jermaine Jones was arguably the US best outfield player but he never wanted to play for them until his Germany chances were nil. In fact he was capped 3 times by Germany before his first US call up. But last world cup his dedication and ability was there for all to see. I do agree that any player who joins the team must assimilate to the program but its almost like some feel that this is only a problem with foreign born players. Take Haiti this gold cup their best player was a local born player who thought he was bigger than the team and got sent home. Conversely all the French born players did their role and listened to the coach. Same with Alves Powell and Jamaica. I think as long as a player can help you it doesnt hurt to keep asking and recruiting because he may one day say yes.
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T&T not in any position to refuse players.
On the contrary, we should be recruiting as much as possible.
Jamaica, Antigua etc have a set of UK based PROFESSIONALS playing for them. The majority of their squads are foreign based and having success as a result.
If we honestly think we can compete, far less win, with mostly local based players.....we delusional. And is not an offence to local based. It just is what it is.
We need to look abroad...and if there's a chance that a Nick DeLeon or a John Bostock can play for us, we owe it to ourselves to explore every avenue to encourage them to come. Sure....yuh not going to keep pursuing someone who keeps rejecting you.....but we have a major handicap in terms of our Federation to overcome. Why would anyone in they right mind leave what they doing to come and play for our Federation?
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I'd ask Zamora how he feeling and all.
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It would be sad if USA used then discard like Findley
The USA took Findley to the World Cup, where he also got playing time. I don't think he can feel too hard done by.
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Honestly, we don't even need him. Molino, Joevin, and Cato is better.
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Honestly, we don't even need him. Molino, Joevin, and Cato is better.
cato is not a better winger than deleon .
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Honestly, we don't even need him. Molino, Joevin, and Cato is better.
cato is not a better winger than deleon .
Divide and rule can only tear us apart ... in every man chest ... I'll take both, thanks!
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Guys, I feel some of us are being ridiculous about Nick. Leave the friggin man alone. What he do allyuh. Why allyuh doh curse out Devisio Payne or his father? The man made his decision and that's it. Live with it. The door is always open to foreign born. We will not always get the best or the brightest, but we seem to get the ones with the big heart.
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Guys, I feel some of us are being ridiculous about Nick. Leave the friggin man alone. What he do allyuh. Why allyuh doh curse out Devisio Payne or his father? The man made his decision and that's it. Live with it. The door is always open to foreign born. We will not always get the best or the brightest, but we seem to get the ones with the big heart.
:beermug:
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Deleon eh showing me nothing in this match. . .Who can he replace on the NT? Steupes
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Maybe they playing him out of position.
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Nick wants to play.
CONFIRMED !!!!
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Nick wants to play.
CONFIRMED !!!!
(http://www.drodd.com/images8/funny-gif/funny-gif17.gif)
(http://i.imgur.com/nw9cJ.gif)
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I await to see him on the pitch before I cast judgement.
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interesting developments
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If true....and Flex doh post lies.....good player to have.
I'm thinking his role would be like that of a Molino/Cummings type. Definitely needed in the team.
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Solid addition
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Lets see what David John Williams go do and how serious he is.
Good addition.
After de shit we put down, time to get extra reinforcements.
Come Hartie, jump on this.
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If this were true
I would love to know what caused his change of Hart...... :devil:
Welcome home Nick
Now that is bacanhal
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If this were true
I would love to know what caused his change of Hart...... :devil:
Welcome home Nick
Now that is bacanhal
Sometimes people need time. We have to remember he wasn't born nor raised in T&T. He didn't visit much either, therefore his connection is solely through his family environment while growing up. We does want to make it seem simple but that can't be an easy decision to come by, especially when there are always issues with federation about money, preparation and general professional conduct. Also if even he had an outside chance to make the US team that would have been his right / duty to explore before deciding. If indeed he is onboard we need to simply welcome the soldya into the fold and not be on no over analytical bullshit about why and how come (not towards you personally but in general).
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Re: "therefore his connection is solely through his family environment while growing up."
Doh sleep on that nah. Not sure how much of his (Trinbago) culture he would have been exposed too at home, but I know many 2nd generation Trinbagonians (not born in Trinidad nor Tobago) who align themselves as being "trini" more than their birth country.
That force is strong.. but the same family/environment will also relay their hesitation to them choosing Trinidad and Tobago. (based on the history of the system as mentioned)
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Nick wants to play.
CONFIRMED !!!!
Flex, good job.
You should be the TTFA official scout.
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Nick wants to play.
CONFIRMED !!!!
Flex, good job.
You should be the TTFA official scout.
Nah, Flex should stay bamboo(arms) length from TTFA, unless he wants to be corrupted. He maybe already. :devil: but keep your distance.
Boy Flex, if TTFA ever give you a good offer, take it. Doh bother with me. Just doh end up like Latapy, Wim,Sheldon, etc. Get a lawyer first. You can hire Bakes!!!
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Nice addition looking forward to some more recruits who have stayed away,deciding to be Warriors
Nuff respect Scorpion I will still love to know what caused a change of Hart
I can never diss,it his choice and in this time every man has a right chart his path in life as it his
Rastafari
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This is an interesting video. Not sure if it has been posted before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48iiP5r3GG4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48iiP5r3GG4)
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Absolutely love this video. Thanks for posting. I am moved to joy by the power of the "Father Factor."
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Bring tears to my eyes!!!!
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Oh wow.. That's great news! Wish him well.
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Bring tears to my eyes!!!!
There's a 2012 video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6K4qXaDnIM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6K4qXaDnIM)
From what one could deduce (only conjecture) from both videos, an improvement of the relationship between the two would seemingly have had some impact in this decision to represent us.
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This is an interesting video. Not sure if it has been posted before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48iiP5r3GG4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48iiP5r3GG4)
:applause:
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Nick wants to play.
CONFIRMED !!!!
Flex, what did DJW say?
Can't see David John Williams supporting this as he may want to push for W Connection players.
Sad.
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Nick wants to play.
CONFIRMED !!!!
Flex, what did DJW say?
Can't see David John Williams supporting this as he may want to push for W Connection players.
Sad.
Its not up to DJW what players he would like to add to the national team, it is up to the head coach provided the players in question are willing and able to represent.
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Nick wants to play.
CONFIRMED !!!!
Flex, what did DJW say?
Can't see David John Williams supporting this as he may want to push for W Connection players.
Sad.
On the contrary, David John Williams was very supportive and will be assisting with Nick's passport.
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DJW is open to foreign born ?? wow
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DJW is open to foreign born ?? wow
Hard to believe !!
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If a American coach was in charge he would have a chance to make the U S A team.
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how long before we change this title?
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we need to hear from Nick first.
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Leroy DeLeon says son Nick ready to play for T&T.
https://www.youtube.com/v/ltg8RzO4qN4
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This is an interesting video. Not sure if it has been posted before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48iiP5r3GG4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48iiP5r3GG4)
Very touching video!
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Nick wants to play.
CONFIRMED !!!!
When I see it, I will believe it Flex.
Doh sleep on that man, ah warning yuh.
He looking out for his people and his club.
He looking for money.
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i feel bad for this young man because he is under is so much pressure to choose a side even though his contact with trinidad and tobago is little to none. i think this kid is the typical american product and should not be backed into a corner to represent us.
in all honesty i don't believe that we need him as much as we think, and i am sure if given the chance this bloke would jump through fire to play for the country of his birth and i wouldn't blame him for that either. please leave the lad alone. if he really he wants to play then he knows what to do.
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Nick DeLeon ready to pick between Trinidad and Tobago, United States
ESPNFC.com
D.C. United midfielder Nick DeLeon has opened the door to representing Trinidad and Tobago, confirming that he'll make the call on his international allegiance in the coming months.
Born in Phoenix, Arizona, the 25-year-old is eligible to play for the Caribbean nation through his father -- T&T international and former NASL player Leroy DeLeon.
DeLeon has declined two previous call ups from T&T, but now says that the pull of international football is too good to turn down.
"I have been approached by [T&T] multiple times. I'll know in the next month what team I'll be playing for," DeLeon said at MLS Media Day.
"It's exciting, very exciting. You're exposed to a lot more teams, a lot more coaches. It's a lot higher competition where you can test yourself against some of the best guys."
DeLeon knows that he can turn to his father for advice but, in the end, only he can make the final decision.
"I'll ask his advice as far as what he thinks of the team and that type of thing," DeLeon said. "But as far as where he wants me to play, it's up to me.
"He's in my corner, wherever that is."
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This is an interesting video. Not sure if it has been posted before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48iiP5r3GG4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48iiP5r3GG4)
What a wonderful story. Now he can continue to follow in his father's footsteps by playing for T&T, but only with all his heart and soul.
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i feel bad for this young man because he is under is so much pressure to choose a side even though his contact with trinidad and tobago is little to none. i think this kid is the typical american product and should not be backed into a corner to represent us.
in all honesty i don't believe that we need him as much as we think, and i am sure if given the chance this bloke would jump through fire to play for the country of his birth and i wouldn't blame him for that either. please leave the lad alone. if he really he wants to play then he knows what to do.
sense!
however, it could also be said that it's an opportunity he would/could not have with the US national team? Young fella could feel he's getting no-where with his country of birth, so option #2. Look at MeMum.. he was as distant to Trinbago as one could possible be and knowing he could never make an England team he fell een.. rest is history.
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Funny you should use Memum as your example , have not been following Nick and DC .So I checked in on his 2015 year in review , eerily similar to to Memum and look at his goal .
http://www.blackandredunited.com/dc-united-offseason-2015-2016/2015/11/24/9794914/dc-united-nick-deleon-2015
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Nick DeLeon ready to pick between Trinidad and Tobago, United States
ESPNFC.com
D.C. United midfielder Nick DeLeon has opened the door to representing Trinidad and Tobago, confirming that he'll make the call on his international allegiance in the coming months.
Born in Phoenix, Arizona, the 25-year-old is eligible to play for the Caribbean nation through his father -- T&T international and former NASL player Leroy DeLeon.
DeLeon has declined two previous call ups from T&T, but now says that the pull of international football is too good to turn down.
"I have been approached by [T&T] multiple times. I'll know in the next month what team I'll be playing for," DeLeon said at MLS Media Day.
"It's exciting, very exciting. You're exposed to a lot more teams, a lot more coaches. It's a lot higher competition where you can test yourself against some of the best guys."
DeLeon knows that he can turn to his father for advice but, in the end, only he can make the final decision.
"I'll ask his advice as far as what he thinks of the team and that type of thing," DeLeon said. "But as far as where he wants me to play, it's up to me.
"He's in my corner, wherever that is."
Hmmm... does he really want to play for us or just positioning himself in hope of a U.S. call up?
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Nick DeLeon ready to pick between Trinidad and Tobago, United States
ESPNFC.com
D.C. United midfielder Nick DeLeon has opened the door to representing Trinidad and Tobago, confirming that he'll make the call on his international allegiance in the coming months.
Born in Phoenix, Arizona, the 25-year-old is eligible to play for the Caribbean nation through his father -- T&T international and former NASL player Leroy DeLeon.
DeLeon has declined two previous call ups from T&T, but now says that the pull of international football is too good to turn down.
"I have been approached by [T&T] multiple times. I'll know in the next month what team I'll be playing for," DeLeon said at MLS Media Day.
"It's exciting, very exciting. You're exposed to a lot more teams, a lot more coaches. It's a lot higher competition where you can test yourself against some of the best guys."
DeLeon knows that he can turn to his father for advice but, in the end, only he can make the final decision.
"I'll ask his advice as far as what he thinks of the team and that type of thing," DeLeon said. "But as far as where he wants me to play, it's up to me.
"He's in my corner, wherever that is."
Hmmm... does he really want to play for us or just positioning himself in hope of a U.S. call up?
Let's say that is the case ... How many US call-ups would he be positioning for? That would be a calculus of folly --- unless he is angling for a brief and unremarkable international career.
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Honestly I feel like we being used as second fiddle here. Is either he wants to play for T&T or not.. This is not a papyshow ting. This is national football team football here we talking about
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I wondered if it was only me?
I thought he had already made his decision?
I guess Jurgen could ketch ah vaps and all of ah sudden decide to call him up in the middle ah WC qualifying?
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Honestly I feel like we being used as second fiddle here. Is either he wants to play for T&T or not.. This is not a papyshow ting. This is national football team football here we talking about
Unless the player has absolutely no chance of making his birth country's team, we're always second fiddle. That's the reality.
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Honestly I feel like we being used as second fiddle here. Is either he wants to play for T&T or not.. This is not a papyshow ting. This is national football team football here we talking about
Unless the player has absolutely no chance of making his birth country's team, we're always second fiddle. That's the reality.
Right and its about time we accept this knowing that he is waiting to see if he gets his American call up. He is basically holding out. That is the reality. Once we can accept this is reality there will be less confusion about why he aint select T&T or make a decision yet.
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Until such time as he is the holder of a T&T passport, this "holding out" talk is entirely academic. A genuine situation of holding out will exist when he is in possession of both passports and pussyfooting.
As we on dis, anyone care to ask De Leon (the dad), why he has been waiting on a special dispensation to get his i.e. (Leroy's) passport?
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Honestly I feel like we being used as second fiddle here. Is either he wants to play for T&T or not.. This is not a papyshow ting. This is national football team football here we talking about
Unless the player has absolutely no chance of making his birth country's team, we're always second fiddle. That's the reality.
sometimes it's not even that precise, ala raheem sterling and J loyd samuels. those two fellows chose their adopted country over their birth place with J loyd giving up on a sure opportunity to play in a world cup for a slim chance to represent the lions, and i can't blame them either. case and point, it's 2016 and the federation still can't get it together 10 years after a world cup appearance. people could do without that level of stress.
side note. when we loss to haiti i saw the look on boucard's face, it was a look of pure disappointment and anguish. i don't think foreigners are cool with losing like we are, that's just not in their culture.
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One fan thinks if the US changes coaches Nick might have a chance .
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One fan thinks if the US changes coaches Nick might have a chance .
Not exactly revolutionary thought. Nothing new here.
Under any US NT coach, lehme ask posters to project how many caps (maximum) they conceive ND achieving during his career.
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Under any US NT coach, lehme ask posters to project how many caps (maximum) they conceive ND achieving during his career.
Zero. He's already 25 years old. His decision makes itself as far as I'm concerned. :beermug:
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Wish him well with whatever he makes. Best of luck for both country and club...
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Honestly I feel like we being used as second fiddle here. Is either he wants to play for T&T or not.. This is not a papyshow ting. This is national football team football here we talking about
Unless the player has absolutely no chance of making his birth country's team, we're always second fiddle. That's the reality.
Right and its about time we accept this knowing that he is waiting to see if he gets his American call up. He is basically holding out. That is the reality. Once we can accept this is reality there will be less confusion about why he aint select T&T or make a decision yet.
Yep. And it's not like the USA never plays second fiddle either. We were the fallback choice for Jermaine Jones, for example, and other German-Americans as well.
That's how many countries end up getting some of their best players.
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just watch him there in a loss to philly. as much as i was checkin to say fork off to he, i end up feelin like he could be useful to t&t man. a (less skillful) latapy style # 10 in my opinion which could change up how the team look if he come off the bench. press on...sort out the passport.
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DeLeon is not on the USA's Copa America roster that was announced a few days ago, even though I don't think he's ever really been on Klinsmann's radar at all.
I imagine his commitment to T&T is just a matter of time, although I could also see him waiting until the Hex to do it.
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Is DeLeon looking forward to make the US team????
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Love to have him as a Warrior but this shit is like beating a dead horse
Time to move on,leave that brother alone,if he shows good if not life goes on
Hate to say this it's like Bobby Z ...all over again.... :devil:bio
We are not hard to find......
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What is all this? I taught Nick was having issues getting his passport?
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What is all this? I taught Nick was having issues getting his passport?
Yes I believe someone reported that it was a problem on Leroy's end that was holding him up, but he was trying to become eligible.
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I wondered if it was only me?
I thought he had already made his decision?
I guess Jurgen could ketch ah vaps and all of ah sudden decide to call him up in the middle ah WC qualifying?
Two years later and the man is now 28.
Don't worry in the next 18 months if the US still blanking him, he will make his move.
The truth is he is doing what all others before him have done. He will come to TT only if the land of his birth doesn't want him.
Remember J Loyd Samuel made us wait about a decade. We were running after him since he was 19.
VB
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I wondered if it was only me?
I thought he had already made his decision?
I guess Jurgen could ketch ah vaps and all of ah sudden decide to call him up in the middle ah WC qualifying?
Two years later and the man is now 28.
Don't worry in the next 18 months if the US still blanking him, he will make his move.
The truth is he is doing what all others before him have done. He will come to TT only if the land of his birth doesn't want him.
Remember J Loyd Samuel made us wait about a decade. We were running after him since he was 19.
VB
And I don't fault them for that at all. As long as they fully committed if/when they eventually decide... welcome.
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Ah wonder if Leroy reach by de passport office yet?
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So does he have his passport yet ?
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So does he have his passport yet ?
How has he been performing for Toronto FC? Is he a starter?
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So does he have his passport yet ?
How has he been performing for Toronto FC? Is he a starter?
Yes and playing as an attacker
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Another " has been" we eh need to kick tires about individuals with no desire to wear the colours - it eh like he go have that kinda impact to save TnT football. In his prime he eh get ah whiff of the USA national
ass so why we trying to throw ah bone for a sheep dog?
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His dad lost his birth paper and doesn't seem interested in getting it, hence he cannot get a passport, Nick wants to play for us.
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His dad lost his birth paper and doesn't seem interested in getting it, hence he cannot get a passport, Nick wants to play for us.
So can someone else help him in getting his birth paper or does it have to be his dad? I'm not sure how that works.
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His dad lost his birth paper and doesn't seem interested in getting it, hence he cannot get a passport, Nick wants to play for us.
So can someone else help him in getting his birth paper or does it have to be his dad? I'm not sure how that works.
All he needs to do is get an affidavit. Go to court and swear that is you basically.
My cousin's mum did it!
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His dad lost his birth paper and doesn't seem interested in getting it, hence he cannot get a passport, Nick wants to play for us.
So can someone else help him in getting his birth paper or does it have to be his dad? I'm not sure how that works.
All he needs to do is get an affidavit. Go to court and swear that is you basically.
My cousin's mum did it!
buh wait .. so easy ....lol