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I know some of you all will appreciate this one. Here is a link to the NCAA west regional finals. Lendore will be running the 400 soon. Sparkle Mcknight won her heat and advanced to the next round.

http://ulive.cbssports.com/index-ncaa.html?media=389157
Much appreciated!!!

Cool.

400m heats are coming up after the 100m heats. Lendore is in heat 2.

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I know some of you all will appreciate this one. Here is a link to the NCAA west regional finals. Lendore will be running the 400 soon. Sparkle Mcknight won her heat and advanced to the next round.

http://ulive.cbssports.com/index-ncaa.html?media=389157

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What about Track & Field / Re: 2013 Outdoor season results
« on: May 14, 2013, 04:23:27 PM »
Well done to Mr Lendore I'm sure he'll be doing great things this year. Another noteworthy performance was by Sparkle Mcknight who won her 400m hurdles race in 55.71! Hopefully when Josanne recovers fully she can start off with a 56./57. and work her way back into shape slowly and we can have two female world class 400m hurdlers in the future. Here's the vid:

Sparkle McKnight (Arkansas) of T&T wins Women's 400m Hurdles SEC Track & Field Champs 2013
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/IkB_5Uhe1ZY" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/IkB_5Uhe1ZY</a>

I thought Josanne's injury was career ending? If not, I hope she comes back soon. There is just over a month left before the nationals. I hope everyone from Josanne to Darrel to Renny is fit to fight for a spot on the team. Best of luck to those who are trying to make a comeback.

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What about Track & Field / Re: 2013 Outdoor season results
« on: May 12, 2013, 06:48:20 PM »
I heard Lendore ran a smooth 45.02 to win SEC. My source said Lendore looked as if he still had gas in the tank. Only put in enough to win. Second place was Gauntlett 45.53.

http://tambrintobago.com/?p=6966

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Shoot I forgot about her. Was more referring to the men 100m. Unless Thompson and Bledman do something spectacular.


Funny thing is that Bleds was nursing in London too. Wasnt 100%. Regardless, he will have to dig deep to get past, Gatlin, Gay and Rodgers. Before Bledman got injured, I had him to run in the range of 9.79-9.82 in London. Lets pray that we get a TT surprise in the mens 100m..

I think we will witness TT best performance in World Championship this year

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Yeah..

I predict 4-6 medals. This is the year our ladies will finally pull it off in the 4x100.

Dont rule out KAB..Last year in London she wasnt 100%. She is definitely a strong medal contender in the 100. Certainly in top 5.

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They claim to be the Track and Field "bible". Has TT only winning one medal (Jehue Gordon) at the World Championships. I believe they also predicted that TT will only win one medal (Men 4x100) in London Olympics.

Their predictions are made as of April 2013. Maybe the predictions might change by July.

Women

http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/index.php/special-article-right-ad-only/1486

•   GOLD                                   SILVER                                     BRONZE
100   Shelly-Ann Fraser-Pryce (Jamaica)   Carmelita Jeter (USA)   Veronica Campbell-Brown (Jamaica)
200   Allyson Felix (USA)   Veronica Campbell-Brown (Jamaica)   Shelly-Ann Fraser-Pryce (Jamaica)
400   Sanya Richards-Ross (USA)   Amantle Montsho (Botswana)   Antonina Krivoshapka (Russia)
800   Pamela Jelimo (Kenya)   Mariya Savinova (Russia)   Francine Niyonsaba (Burundi)
1500   Genzebe Dibaba (Ethiopia)   Abeba Aregawi (Sweden)   Maryam Jamal (Bahrain)
St   Yuliya Zaripova (Russia)   Habiba Ghribi (Tunisia)   Milcah Chemos (Kenya)
5000   Vivian Cheruiyot (Kenya)   Tirunesh Dibaba (Ethiopia)   Meseret Defar (Ethiopia)
10K   Tirunesh Dibaba (Ethiopia)   Vivian Cheruiyot (Kenya)   Sally Kipyego (Kenya)
100H   Sally Pearson (Australia)   Dawn Harper (USA)   Kellie Wells (USA)
400H   Lashinda Demus (USA)   Natalya Antyukh (Russia)   Kaliese Spencer (Jamaica)
Mar   Tiki Gelana (Ethiopia)   Edna Kiplagat (Kenya)   Priscah Jeptoo (Kenya)
20W   Yelena Lashmanova (Russia)   Olga Kaniskina (Russia)   Hong Liu (China)
4 x 100   United States   Jamaica   Ukraine
4 x 400   United States   Russia   Jamaica
HJ   Anna Chicherova (Russia)   Blanka Vlašić (Croatia)   Svetlana Shkolina (Russia)
PV   Jenn Suhr (USA)   Yelena Isinbaeva (Russia)   Yarisley Silva (Cuba)
LJ   Brittney Reese (USA)   Yelena Sokolova (Russia)   Darya Klishina (Russia)
TJ   Olha Saladuha (Ukraine)   Olga Rypakova (Kazakhstan)   Caterina Ibargüen (Colombia)
SP   Valerie Adams (New Zealand)   Lijiao Gong (China)   Yevgeniya Kolodko (Russia)
DT   Sandra Perković (Croatia)   Yarelis Barrios (Cuba)   Nadine Müller (Germany)
HT   Betty Heidler (Germany)   Tatyana Lysenko (Russia)   Anita Włodarczyk (Poland)
JT   Sunette Viljoen (South Africa)   Mariya Abakumova (Russia)   Christina Obergföll (Germany)
Hept   Jessica Ennis (Great Britain)   Tatyana Chernova (Russia)   Kristina Savitskaya (Russia)
© Track & Field News, 2013

Men

http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/index.php/special-article-right-ad-only/1485


   GOLD   SILVER   BRONZE
100   Usain Bolt (Jamaica)   Yohan Blake (Jamaica)   Mike Rodgers (USA)
200   Usain Bolt (Jamaica)   Yohan Blake (Jamaica)   Jason Young (Jamaica)
400   Kirani James (Grenada)   Tony McQuay (USA)   Luguelín Santos (Dominican Republic)
800   David Rudisha (Kenya)   Mohammed Aman (Ethiopia)   Nijel Amos (Botswana)
1500   Asbel Kiprop (Kenya)   Silas Kiplagat (Kenya)   Matthew Centrowitz (USA)
St   Brimin Kipruto (Kenya)   Ezekiel Kemboi (Kenya)   Mahiedine Mekhissi-Benabbad (France)
5000   Dejen Gebremeskel (Ethiopia)   Mo Farah (GBR)   Isiah Koech (Kenya)
10,000   Ibrahim Jeylan (Ethiopia)   Mo Farah (GBR)   Galen Rupp (USA)
110H   Aries Merritt (USA)   Jason Richardson (USA)   Sergey Shubenkov (Russia)
400H   Javier Culson (Puerto Rico)   Jehue Gordon (Trinidad)   Omas Cisneros (Cuba)
Mar   Yemane Tsegay (Ethiopia)   Dennis Kimetto (Kenya)   Wilson Kipsang (Kenya)
20W   Valeriy Borchin (Russia)   Zhen Wang (China)   Ding Chen (China)
50W   Tianfeng Si (China)   Sergey Kirdyapkin (Russia)   Robert Heffernan (Ireland)
4 x 100   Jamaica   United States   GBR
4 x 400   United States   Bahamas   Jamaica
HJ   Ivan Ukhov (Russia)   Mutaz Essa Barshim (Qatar)   Derek Drouin (Canada)
PV   Renaud Lavillenie (France)   Björn Otto (Germany)   Malte Mohr (Germany)
LJ   Mitchell Watt (Australia)   Aleksandr Menkov (Russia)   Marquis Dendy (USA)
TJ   Christian Taylor (USA)   Will Claye (USA)   Daniele Greco (Italy)
SP   David Storl (Germany)   Ryan Whiting (USA)   Tomasz Majewski (Poland)
DT   Robert Harting (Germany)   Ehsan Hadadi (Iran)   Piotr Małachowski (Poland)
HT   Paweł Fajdek (Poland)   Krisztian Pars (Hungary)   Sergey Litvinov (Russia)
JT   Andreas Thorkildsen (Norway)   Antti Ruuskanen (Finland)   Vítězslav Veselý (Czech Republic)
Dec   Ashton Eaton (USA)   Trey Hardee (USA)   Pascal Behrenbruch (Germany)
© Track & Field News, 2013



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What about Track & Field / Re: 2013 Outdoor season results
« on: April 07, 2013, 12:04:30 AM »
Huge PB by Michelle Lee Ahye

Hasely Crawford Stadium - Site License
               2013 T&T NAAA PRESIDENT'S CLASSIC - 06/04/2013               
                         Live results @ ttnaaa.org                         
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Event 38  Women 100 Meter Dash INVITATIONAL
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    Name                    Year Team                    Finals  Wind Points
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Finals                                                                     
  1 Ahye, Michelle-Lee        92 Rebirth                  11.07   NWI      
  2 Cameron, Nandelle         83 Concorde                 11.42   NWI       
  3 Wickham, Lisa             94 Concorde                 11.44   NWI       
  4 Durant, Kamaria           91 Simplex                  11.60   NWI       
  5 Telesford, Aaliyah        95 P/Fortin N/Jets          11.61   NWI       
  5 Hutchinson, Ayanna        78 Concorde                 11.61   NWI       
  7 Murray, Onika             94 Simplex                  12.00   NWI       
  8 Clarke, Kayelle           96 Pet. P.A.P.              12.08   NWI       

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General Discussion / Re: Love this guy!
« on: March 26, 2013, 07:14:37 PM »
I am not referring to that Bakes. I was not talking about Obama elevating Beyonce.. I am suggesting that it was easier for the whites who dropped out of school to achieve more than blacks who dropped out. Many of those whites who dropped out already had something. For the blacks that were on the list.. They came from much less.

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Football / Re: Thread for the T&T vs Peru Game (26-Mar-2013).
« on: March 26, 2013, 07:08:31 PM »
I wish T&T had such passionate fans. I think tonight to guys will rise to the occasion and pull off an upset.

I hope so

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What about Track & Field / Re: IAAF Inside Athletics
« on: March 26, 2013, 06:59:29 PM »
Love the t-shirt, excellent job nurturing and selling the sport, and providing personal insights from the world's bests. I know many a youngster will benefit from this.

I love the shirt. Nice way to rebrand TT.

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General Discussion / Re: Love this guy!
« on: March 26, 2013, 06:32:38 PM »

I was going to call you an idiot.. But I do not want to resort to name calling like many posters on here.

Although, your list of white high school drop outs seems extensive.. Most of them on the list are from working class and middle class families.  The black high school drop outs.. most of them are from poor and working poor families.

White high school drop outs still make more money than black high school graduates in Canada and America. In the end.. its not about high school. Its about the education and training you do after high school. Completing high school increases your chances of attending post secondary school. And post secondary school gives you more job security and stability than anything under.


Thanks, I'm not going to call you a jackass for suggesting that Beyonce has no 'job security'. Or that she is from a working poor family.

Perhaps she should have not taken such an extreme risk on a music career and finished high school. She could have been a perfectly good insurance salesman.

I'm also not going to call you a jackass for claiming that being 'middle class' is somehow a justification for not finishing high school. Or a prerequisite to becoming a millionaire. Let me tell you something you might already know but fail to truly understand. American Black people, as an entire community were perhaps most prosperous when they were denied opportunity for higher learning, after Jim Crow and before desegregation. They forged strong businesses and developed extensive commercial ties. It ain't the books that made people like C.J Walker.

As for your statement that white high school dropouts make more money than college educated blacks....ASSUMING this is factual....then what is the point of blacks going to school? Perhaps african-americans would do better dropping out of school and enrolling in trades, or starting their own businesses...like Beyonce. Why anyone would condem her for being a dropout when she did EXACTLY the right thing?




You dont have too look far to find many "Beyonces" who thought they can make it in singing.. But were not able too. Beyonce and anyone else you name are only exceptions to the rule.

Here is a quick history lesson.. Public education (whether its Eurocentric or not) is what created the middle class. Before education became public, you either had to come from royalty or come from the merchant class in order to get access to education..

For every one black high school drop out that has makes at least 50k a year.. I will show you about 20 that have at least graduated college and make more than 50k a year. There is a direct correlation between education and income. But on a whole, dropping out of school and not pursuing anything after will guarantee a life of "pay cheque to pay cheque living" for most blacks in America.

The only difference between you and myself is that I am "class conscious".. While you are "a-s-s conscious"

One last thing, your point about black Americans being better off before segregation, maybe true.. But access to education did not cause that.. Racism in America became more sophisticated.



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Football / Re: Thread for the T&T vs Peru Game (26-Mar-2013).
« on: March 26, 2013, 06:05:02 PM »
Peru 3 - 0 TT

No WAY we scoring in this game. Quit daydreaming!!!!!

I glad we getting the experience.. Too bad we never got these games in 2011 when we really needed the tune ups..

1nil win for TT.

I hope for a result close to that.. But after the Belize game, I cannot set myself up for too much disappointment..

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General Discussion / Re: Love this guy!
« on: March 26, 2013, 05:24:53 PM »
doh worry, i get your point loud and clear.

i watched the clip. it is verbal too too.

saying i 'miss the point' is a piss poor rebuttal.

lemme give you an 'alternative' list of dropouts from grade school to university


Larry Ellison
Bill Gates
Michael Dell
Johnny Depp
Paul Allen
John Travolta
Ansel Adams
Julie Andrews
Richard Branson
Irving Berlin
Steve Martin
Dean Martin
Bjorn Borg
Jennifer Capriati
George Burns
Julie Andrews
Marlon Brando
Andrew Caregie
Mark Twain
Davy Crockett
Charles Dickens
Bob Dylan
Steve Wozniak
Clark Gable
Uma Thurman
Robert DeNiro
Dustin Hoffman
John Wayne
Quentin Tarantino
Mark Zuckerberg
Steve Jobs
Ted Turner
Roman Abramovich
Sheldon Adelson
David Geffen
Sidney Weinberg
Edward Albee
Walt Disney
Frank lloyd Wright
Barry Goldwater

Other lowlifes like George Washington, Andrew Jackson, and Abraham Lincoln could not be bothered to even attend college or even finsih their schooling.


Do these people send a bad message as well?

Or is it only wrong when black people do it.


 








I was going to call you an idiot.. But I do not want to resort to name calling like many posters on here.

Although, your list of white high school drop outs seems extensive.. Most of them on the list are from working class and middle class families.  The black high school drop outs.. most of them are from poor and working poor families.

White high school drop outs still make more money than black high school graduates in Canada and America. In the end.. its not about high school. Its about the education and training you do after high school. Completing high school increases your chances of attending post secondary school. And post secondary school gives you more job security and stability than anything under.

And yes it is wrong when we do it.. Especially considering that black people are slowly becoming the worlds underclass

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Football / Re: Thread for the T&T vs Peru Game (26-Mar-2013).
« on: March 26, 2013, 04:37:53 PM »
Peru 3 - 0 TT

No WAY we scoring in this game. Quit daydreaming!!!!!

I glad we getting the experience.. Too bad we never got these games in 2011 when we really needed the tune ups..


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What about Track & Field / Re: 2013 Outdoor season results
« on: March 24, 2013, 07:11:33 PM »
400m hurdles
Finals                                                                             
  1 McKnight, Sparkle            Arkansas               57.90      56.62   2  10   
  2 Spencer, Ashley              Illinois               57.00      57.34   2   8   
  3 White, Chante'sean           Texas State            57.29      58.17   2   6   
  4 Flowers, Gwendolyn           Arkansas               59.70      59.41   2   4   
  5 Ejesieme, Jesica             Illinois               58.00    1:00.68   2   2   
  6 Thomas, Jennie               Texas State          1:00.55    1:01.73   1   1   
  7 Onwuchekwa, Venessa          Utsa                 1:03.50    1:04.99   1       
  8 Swearengin, Shartanae        Utsa                 1:00.62    1:05.06   1   

56.62 is a good time to start the outdoor season in this event. Congrats.

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Just read that Bahamas is sending 70 athletes to Carifta. I think that is the most they ever sent. The "44" Trinbago athletes have a huge hill to climb if they want second place.

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What about Track & Field / Stephen Newbold
« on: March 23, 2013, 12:44:20 PM »
Stephen Newbold was arrested for discharging a weapon at someone and running from police. Whether the charges are warranted or are just allegations.. This is very serious. If it is true, he might have just thrown his track career away. I believe his charges can get him a good 5-10 years in the state of Florida. Plus deportation after. Looks like no Carifta for Newbold.

Mance (USA 4x400) was also arrested.

http://www.news1130.com/2013/03/21/seminole-track-stars-mance-and-newbold-suspended-after-early-morning-shooting/

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General Discussion / Re: Love this guy!
« on: March 23, 2013, 12:18:14 PM »
He may or may not be aware of it, but Sotomayor is also touching on a class issue. The segment of African-American folks displaying the deviant behaviour really occupies the lower socio-economic classes in the United States. Unfortunately, the media tends to focus on this portion of the black populace, because of their criminal acts which may or may not be borne out of their economic and social conditions. The few middle-class African-Americans, male and female I have met, tended not to exhibit this type of behaviour. The women were definitely not as abrasive as their counterparts from lesser economic means and the men were well-spoken and upwardly mobile in terms of their career goals and ambitions.

In my own personal experience as a member of T&T's black middle class, I would say the same for the peers in my social network. While we did go through a phase in our adoloescence of wanting to affect the destructive behaviour depicted on some rap and dancehall videos, for the most part, it did not really derail our life paths because we had a familial network that kept us grounded and anchored when some of us threatened to veer off course. I know the experiences of my own circle of friends may or may not have been similar to those in other parts of T&T. However, based on what I remember growing up, many went on to universities abroad and are living productive lives now.

This is something that many African-descended youth in T&T, the US and other countries with significant African-descended populations do not have. So, it is within this context that Sotomayor, either wittingly or unwittingly, is couching his commentary.

Well said Kaliman.. This is more a class issue than a race one. Sotomayor is making it a race one.

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General Discussion / Re: Love this guy!
« on: March 23, 2013, 12:12:14 PM »
Interesting commentary.

I think he makes one or two good points.. But thats about it.

I feel you Asylum.. This guy is the black "Rush Limbaugh" in the making..  Critiquing the black/African community is one thing... But "taking a dump" on the community, hmmm.. I think that is still a consequence of black/African self hatred. The other racial/ethnic communities rarely "take dumps" on their community in the same manner. When the other racial/ethnic groups do their shit.. Their leaders and members never associate it to their race or ethnicity in the same light as Sotomayor (black Rush Limbaugh)

Its true that all racial/ethnic groups have their flaws as well. But we tend to be under the microscope the most..

JC.. your point about us slowly becoming extinct, is a sad possibility.. But what are we doing to challenge that? I think shitting on our community in the same manner is not the way to go. And if it was, then we wouldnt have had great people like Bob Marley, Marcus Garvey, Kwame Toure, etc.. I prefer not to take "large dumps on my community" and watch on the sideline while we (black/African people) become the world's underclass.

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Football / Re: Princesses start World Cup prep.
« on: March 21, 2013, 07:44:23 PM »
I thought this would have had some replies by now. As it stands the Soca princesses have a more realistic chance of making a world cup than the Soca warriors. I think the Soca Princesses might just be the ones to put more pride in Trini football. They might just do it..

All the best ladies

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He struck some appropriate chords in this inaugural speech. Well done!

I hope he does not become another act in this PPP comedy central show.

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Jamaica will come in first as usual. I am predicting 65-70 medals for them.. This equals about 1 medal per athlete.

Trinidad should come in second place... 29-34 medals for TT.  Although I do believe TT will get second. I think Bahamas will be pushing to take the second spot.

Shaunae Miller will win Austin Sealy award. I have her taking the under 20 200m and 400m race.

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Football / Re: Thread for the T&T vs Belize Game (23-Mar-2013).
« on: March 20, 2013, 05:25:26 PM »
Here is my prediction..

TT 1 - 0 Belize

I think Belize is going to give us a really hard time. But I am optimistic that we will get the win.

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Football / Re: Thread for the T&T vs Peru Game (26-Mar-2013).
« on: March 17, 2013, 10:23:26 AM »
We go score if Glen is there.
We need to use our weapon. SPEED. That's what they fear us on. Kevon Carter and Cornell pelting dong the wing on a breakawy, freeing up Jones for the headers or back-header and Birchall for de bullet. Golazo! Goalllllllllllllllllllllll. Trinidad y Tobago gooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllllllllllllll Dios Mio!!! says the Peruvian commentator. Watch de space.

True.. We get our MLS boys and our top European players and we might pull off a tie.

I think we will have a good Gold cup though.. Providing we get our top players.

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What about Track & Field / 2013 Outdoor season results
« on: March 17, 2013, 08:19:45 AM »
The outdoor season has started for NCAA. The International begins April 1st.

Wayne Davis began the season with a 13.54 in the 110mh. Decent time to begin the season.

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Football / Re: Thread for the T&T vs Peru Game (26-Mar-2013).
« on: March 17, 2013, 08:14:20 AM »
Love my Soca Warriors. But I dont see us scoring in this game. We didnt even score against Peru at HCS..

Peru 3-0 TT. We still in the rebuilding stage. So the experience will be beneficial.

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General Discussion / Re: Help Jah Gol finish his MBA
« on: March 17, 2013, 08:10:20 AM »
Done.

Congrats Jah Gol! I know you will do good with the IMBA.

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What about Track & Field / Trinidad and Tobago Relay Carnival
« on: March 09, 2013, 11:13:52 AM »
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/sports/Wariner_set_for_first__ever_T_T_Relay_Carnival-196633411.html

Not sure why Wariner is headlining this article. Nothing against him. Would rather see a Trinbagonian headlining it.. Anyways, I hope this event is successful. Could end up being a prelude to Trinidad getting a circuit meet.

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General Discussion / Re: This sh!t is getting out of hand!
« on: March 09, 2013, 10:15:28 AM »
The pervasive culture is a product of a lack of consciousness, but it isn't caused by "consciousness". You all conflating too many things in this discussion.

Jah Gol, Jamaica is a society rooted in immense contradictions and distortions. It is not unfathomable that a nation could produce the liberating thought of Marley and give rise to passa passa in a subsequent iteration. Many Jamaicans can't distill Rastafarianism in a sensible or coherent 3 sentences, but Marley remained embraced even though there was an unwarrantedly lengthy discussion about whether he should enter the pantheon of national heroes (this of a man who arguably engaged in the most significant political iconography in post-independence Jamaica @ the Peace concert).

I take significant issue with your view. The movements served their purpose (to stimulate thought and muster personal dignity). As nascent nations, it is/was the function of governments "to focus energies on socio-economic strategies to transform individuals and families". What you're skimming over is that pre- and post-independence Caribbean governments viewed such expressions of self-assertion by ppl like Marley and Rodney as threatening, not valuable, sinister, etc. There was no incorporation of these streams of black social and political thought into formal structures so to blame them is flawed. These thought constructs ended up functioning on the margins of legitimacy and thereby were given space to be reinterpreted and redefined by people who were themselves at the margins of society, and arguably least equipped to project the most sensible of articulations. Our leadership abdicated its role of incorporating the "up up you mighty race". Decades after we've been responsible for marshaling our own education protocols, we still teach history in a way that doesn't educate youths about enslavement in a conscious and nurturing way.

At this stage in the exchange, I'm not going to address your reference to "adopting the best practices of other groups" because that is symptomatic of not understanding some of the fundamental, axiomatic things that distinguish the experience of black people in the New World. Those others didn't attain their alleged best-practices in a vaccum. I also don't see comparators as helpful because oftentimes these are rooted in stereotypes about Chinees, Indians, Syrians etc. without discounting or appreciating that post-enslavement generations of black people are daily engaged in mimicking and mimickry (itself a vestige of enslavement) others. When a significant portion of one's time is dedicated to consumption, a significant portion of one's time is unavailable for production.

I will say this: the Jamaicanization of Caribbean society is a major factor in the pathology you lament. This isn't to cast aspersions on Jamaican society. It is to point out that replicating elements of the Jamaican societal landscape elsewhere was to insert variables into wholly different societies. Societies that instinctively could relate to the idiom of music but that didn't filter the distinctions that would provoke the pathologies we now see.

What else? The Nation of Islam is not in my view a component of Afrocentricity. Neither are the 5 per centers or the Moorish Science people. Just because a group has a predominantly or even exclusively black following does not make them per se Afrocentric. I see this fallacy as having crept into the comments already submitted.

The issue before us is rooted in the structure of Caribbean society ... Not in a failure of conscious thought. These youths pay lip service to symbols but are unable to place them in their proper context. See Asante's reference to symbols. That in the absence of his reference to "lexical refinement" is folly.

We have free public education that drags a small cross- section of us yearly across the finish line to a cardboard-surfaced lexical refinement. To really know thyself takes a cumulation of many factors. The marginalization of conscious movements made "knowing thyself" anti-establishment for really literate people. For a functionally literate youthman trying to trod through the proverbial Gideon, that is like being bashed against the rocks by several tides. Ironically, in many countries in Africa this problem exists as youth there look outside their cultural prisms for external sources to legitimize, explain and explain their reality (alienation etc.). One of their intellectual stops takes them on a romanticized trip of acquiring "Jamaican" symbols, yet these youths are functioning in a consciousness void also.

Good analysis there Asylum.

Although, many of those organizations (NOI, 5%, etc) lack a viable political and economic action plan, they have pulled many of the youth off of the streets. I would rather have these guys selling books to the youth instead of crack or guns. The truth is that many of those guys involved with those organizations/movements were former gang members, drug dealers or just youth without hope. They really have no interest in pushing our black youth into an underclass.

Its interesting, cause Trinidad has produced many pan africanist giants. The only difference is that Jamaica has honoured their ones.. Some feel that Trinidads equivalent to Jamaica's Marcus Garvey is probably Stokely Carmichael/Kwame Toure. Garvey was made into a national hero. And if Stokely been a yardie.. I think the Jamaicans would have honoured Stokely in the same light as Garvey.. The average Jamaican has a sense of national Jamaican/African pride. The average Trinidadian on the other hand... hmm..  I will leave it at that before I offend anyone.

When you go to Jamaica (Not necessarily resort city), you get this sense of black/african Jamaican pride. Jamaica has renamed many of their towns after their cultural heroes. They have erected statues of their heroes etc.. Trinidad can do the same, but the reality is that it will offend some racial groups in Trinidad. Some racial groups might feel excluded and some might even call it racist.

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