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Football / Re: Lester Peltier Thread.
« on: June 08, 2021, 02:46:08 PM »
He hasn't been with a club consistently since 2015 and hasn't been with a club since 2020. Might as well retire from football altogether.

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Football / Re: Daniel Phillips Thread
« on: March 22, 2021, 10:13:39 AM »
Dumb move at such a young age. Should have come along when he was a little more established and had more power. Those clubs hate when an english born player choose to play for another country as they see it as lowering their value. Especially if that country isn't highly rated.

Hope he isn't victimised for this decision.

It's the player's prerogative - I could only surmise as to the politics of playing or even getting an opportunity  to represent England .As someone else mentioned, there have been overtures to well established foreign players who were deemed as greater possibility to represent a foreign country, yet they held out form the TnT invite and still were not given an opportunity it's to represent the country of birth.

I don't believe that those who saw an opportunity and took the chance to represent TnT were ever " victimized" - that is speculative and unwarranted.

I could see  potentially one backlash if a player  turned down an invite to play for his country of birth and chose TnT instead -  however I don't know of any such situation where that may have occurred.
Kudos to the young man for contributing to his ancestral homeland.

It's not about "politics". As an english born player he would have been viewed as a "potential" english player that would have figured in any contract offers and negotiations. Not sure what his contract situation is but it's showing online that he only signed to Watford for a year. Unless he has a monster season and is a spectacular player there is now even less incentive for the club to further keep him now that he is no longer a future english prospect.

If I remember correctly, Birchall was ridiculed by people at his club for playing for TT. Not sure if any victimisation took place as he moved clubs after the world cup if I'm not mistaken.

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Football / Re: Daniel Phillips Thread
« on: March 22, 2021, 09:36:36 AM »
Dumb move at such a young age. Should have come along when he was a little more established and had more power. Those clubs hate when an english born player choose to play for another country as they see it as lowering their value. Especially if that country isn't highly rated.

Hope he isn't victimised for this decision.

yup very true

Maybe true. Football is about making decisions. Damn if you do, damn if you don't. Is he ever going to make England ? Was Birchall ever victimised for his decision to play for TT. We have asked some foreign born to play for us in the past,  and the very good ones have always held out. So I pray that this guy shines in all his games and bring up his financial value. Forward youth man. God Bless.

I'm speaking more from the position of his age. Being this young, there's the possibility that 3 years from now he could have been an English player. Just think about where Jamie Vardy went within a couple of years. An english club would have always had that possibility in mind when either acquiring him or even nurturing him. That would have resulted in more attention and resources being placed on this player vs a foreign player. It's as simple as that. His value would have been tied to the fact that he's "english".

I just think maybe he could have come along when he was more established. It's probably more difficult to victimise and exclude an establised footballer than a young impressionable one. At this age, his future really is in the hands of his club.

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Football / Re: Daniel Phillips Thread
« on: March 21, 2021, 10:24:22 AM »
Dumb move at such a young age. Should have come along when he was a little more established and had more power. Those clubs hate when an english born player choose to play for another country as they see it as lowering their value. Especially if that country isn't highly rated.

Hope he isn't victimised for this decision.

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Football / Re: Terry Fenwick Thread.
« on: June 24, 2020, 03:57:26 PM »
Tt local based national coach shouldn't be paid anything more than 30 grand tt a month. 40-50 grand if they qualify for world cup etc. Fenwick aint worth this money. Anyone knows what his salary whilst coaching the local clubs was?

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Football / Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
« on: June 25, 2019, 10:04:26 AM »
DL needs to resign or be released because his record is abysmal and he has proven to be an incapable coach NOT because they got 6 from the USA.

His overall record is poor

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Football / Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
« on: June 24, 2019, 12:49:18 PM »
@congo

You stated:

Quote
"Firing DL at this point shouldn't even be the priority."

Statement 1:
It isn't sufficient, but it's necessary.

or

Statement 2:
It's neither sufficient nor necessary.

Which of the statements do you agree with?

Yes but shouldn't any firing be part of a wider restructuring including appointing a qualified and experienced coach as well as aggressively recruiting foreign born players to fill developmental gaps.

That way the administration could focus on correcting our developmental issues. This is a long term plan.

DL has plenty time between now and WC qualifiers to be released. After the GC what next does the senior team has to look forward too realistically?

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Football / Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
« on: June 24, 2019, 09:52:43 AM »
This has to be TT biggest defeat in a long time I remember TT getting 7 in Mexico city in 2000 but that was TT B team this is more like our A team there is no way DL should be allowed to coach this team after this.

Yeah but that "B" team probably had more quality than this "A" team. We've gone from having our best players plying their trade in the EPL and champion to having our best players in the MLS. That is the reality of things.

Molino and Jones are 29 and 28 this year respectfully. They are arguably our best players but they will never play in a top european league ever. Their time for that has passed. No club is going to take a risk and sign a 28-29 mls player because Europe already have a lowly view of the MLS and its quality. They rather sign the teenagers and develop them. After MLS then what other options they have? USL?

We need to figure out our pipeline for our players' development. We still operating on guesswork. You all think that staticians sat down in a room with DL and decided the best 24 based on scientific reasoning? That is the reality of sports today. I'm sure USA did it.

Our football needs a complete overhaul. Firing DL at this point shouldn't even be the priority. Next is WC qualifiers. Where the players coming from for that? The only way that a coach can make an impact on TT football is if the team made up of foreign born players such as Bostock, de leon etc. In fact that is our only hope now. That should supply the national team for a couple of years whilst we get development in order.

Remember America did the exact same for a couple of years and they were competitive. MLS is dog sh*t. Let's be real.

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Football / Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
« on: June 23, 2019, 11:31:07 PM »
Too much misplaced sentiment.

We got 6 from the "greatest" most powerful nation on the planet. Just the economic gap between both teams could explain that 6. Christian pulisic salary could probably pay off all of the TTFA debt.

When those US players get back stateside, they have access to nutritionists and fitness professionals to keep them in prime shape during the off season. Our tt boys have to hustle a pie and sweet drink when morning come.

What does that has to do with DL? Until we get serious about all aspects of developing football in trinidad and the CFU then we will continue to be a laughing stock. Iceland laid down the blueprint for how small nations could develop proper football structure.

Sidenote. Does anyone on that TT team has a footballing brain? Our football continues to look devoid of any purpose. It literally looks like none of them want to hold onto the ball for any length of time because they don't know what to do with it.

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Football / Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
« on: June 23, 2019, 09:12:55 PM »
But the quality is simply not there. Where is the quality coming from? I'm not a fan of DL but Pep can't do anything with this bunch neither. The quality is simply not there.

These are players who apart from the odd few don't know where they would be plying their trade 6 months from now. Would any of these players if they were the age even be looked at by D1 schools as possible MLS draft prospects in the future?

 Who on that team is a stand out talent? Jamaica has Leon Bailey. Who do we have?

In the past we have fielded players who were not even attached to a club with their only match fitness coming via the national team.

How is that even possible in this day and age. Those players wearing the red/white/black still looking like they playing SSFL.

These are not world class players and they are not even interested in being world class players.

6 from the USA is expected. We have to bring our focus closer to home and focus on development. We are developing nothing that the world wants. Our last highest rank footballer was Kenwyne Jones at stoke City back in 2015. Jones was created around 2001-2002. You mean to tell me that within that time we haven't created anyone capable of playing in atleast the championship in England.

You gonna see this same bunch of players in a boat ride next week. Mark my words. These are not ballers. More like journeymen trying to make a living.

We haven't created ballers since the days of latapy and Yorke. We have to be realistic now.

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Football / Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
« on: June 23, 2019, 06:42:31 PM »
Trinidad not no footballing nation so 6-0 is not a surprise.

Those players are not "ballers". They still don't know how to control and impose themselves on a game at this level.

Trinidad's problem is not Dennis Lawrence. The problem is that the country has no sort of development to create proper ballers.

We continue to look like a bunch of headless chickens just running around out there.

Some of us are fooling ourselves if we think that we are going anywhere in this game. Concacaf is considered the weakest footballing region in the world(?).

We continue to struggle against the likes of USA when USA is not considered a footballing powerhouse by anyone.

Our football needs a complete overhaul and a 10-20 year plan.

No coach could convert this bunch of players into world class athletes. They simply are not good enough.

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Football / Re: Dennis Lawrence Thread
« on: December 04, 2018, 04:31:28 PM »
Your national team coach about to be poached by a team playing in the conference. Laughable.

We really need to stop pretending we are anything in football.

Are they suppose to pay compensation if they take DL? Can they even afford it?

Does that mean that we should look for our next coach in the league 2 and conferences of the world. Is that our true level? Seriously asking

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Football / Re: Sol Campbell Thread
« on: November 29, 2018, 01:54:29 PM »
The man has zero claim to a job in England.

He tries to make it a race issue but the problem with that is that HE is a foreign national.

He isn't British/English.

Lampard/Gerrard etc may be curry favour but also remember they are both club and country "legends".

Does anyone in the UK take Dwight seriously? Football is a business and managers are in control of multi million pound assets. Would Dwight's personal affairs affect the brand of the football club etc.

It may be a race issue for black british footballers but it may not be an issue for Dwight. It may just be a case of Dwight being a non EU national from a country with significantly less football capital.

The man has choices like people rightfully said. He can start here in TnT or even try the lower leagues in England. I do recall him saying he rejected an offer from the lower leagues a couple years ago but I could be wrong. He can also try the far east and asia etc.

He seems to want to hold on to Man U as much as possible but growth and opportunities may require migration.

According to the Home Office, what's Dwight's status?

Legal status is different from "cultural" status. Doesn't mean that he would be viewed as "one of them". He would still be viewed as an immigrant. They already kick up a fuss for the other EU managers in the league and managing the national team. The status just makes it easier to process the paper work to go through but there are still cultural barriers to break down.

I think that the message is valid I just don't think that it can come from Dwight. I think that is something that british born players  such as Sol and probably even Shaka could try and fight seeing as that is THEIR country of birth. Dwight could always pack up and go back Tobago if he fed up.

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Football / Re: Sol Campbell Thread
« on: November 29, 2018, 01:38:00 PM »
I'm not convinced that Dwight is being punished or suffering the consequences of Katie Price - certainly not exclusively. It also has not impeded the media from having him play a role on match day pre-match and post-match. After John Terry becomes a manager lehwe talk. Giggs also had salacious coverage that directly concerned his conduct and he is along the way.

I don't think that it is about "punishment". More about it not being a good "look" for the club. Again, those roles, match day etc are not major roles requiring major responsibilities. They take any reputable footballer off the street for entertainment purposes. They show up, have make up applied to them and talk for 90 minutes.

The man isn't some pariah, he just fell into media trap of being viewed as "dead beat" dad. It doesn't help that he is black and she is white neither.

Remember Terry and Giggs may have also done dirty but they didn't do it with a national trainwreck who every couple of days reminds the entire nation. The general public keep replaying those episodes over and over again.

Are we completely ignoring Thierry Henry and Patrick Viera. But just look what it took though....2 former decorated footballers who were considered to be the best of their generation in their positions.

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Football / Re: Sol Campbell Thread
« on: November 29, 2018, 10:42:45 AM »
congo, isn't your position regarding Dwight and branding undermined by the reality that he essentially serves as a brand ambassador of several entities, including Manchester United?

I don't think being a Brand Ambassador for UTD is a big deal. I'm sure that is something that is available to all players regardless of their past "misdeeds".

It's not like he's the face of the club. Being a manager of a club is different and attracts a different level of attention from "fans" and media. I think he would be much more welcomed by the British public if his personal life wasn't tied to a person who is now considered a walking train wreck.

I'm not sure what else is a brand ambassador for? I saw something he had with an alcohol brand but that seems to be tied in to Utd as well. I think brands in the UK would honestly steer clear of him because of his ex. Tough situation regardless.

No owner/club would want their manager's personal life in the news every couple of days.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/katie-price-demands-500k-dwight-13614292

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-6399009/Katie-Price-urges-Harveys-absent-father-Dwight-Yorke-life-emotional-snap.html

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/moment-katie-price-found-out-13526888

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Football / Re: Sol Campbell Thread
« on: November 29, 2018, 09:00:07 AM »
The man has zero claim to a job in England.

He tries to make it a race issue but the problem with that is that HE is a foreign national.

He isn't British/English.

Lampard/Gerrard etc may be curry favour but also remember they are both club and country "legends".

Does anyone in the UK take Dwight seriously? Football is a business and managers are in control of multi million pound assets. Would Dwight's personal affairs affect the brand of the football club etc.

It may be a race issue for black british footballers but it may not be an issue for Dwight. It may just be a case of Dwight being a non EU national from a country with significantly less football capital.

The man has choices like people rightfully said. He can start here in TnT or even try the lower leagues in England. I do recall him saying he rejected an offer from the lower leagues a couple years ago but I could be wrong. He can also try the far east and asia etc.

He seems to want to hold on to Man U as much as possible but growth and opportunities may require migration.

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Football / Re: Sol Campbell Thread
« on: November 28, 2018, 09:32:08 PM »
Dwight delusional.

It  is difficult for a black british born former english player to get a top managerial job in England.

Why would they offer Dwight a job when he not even  british born and never even represented the country?

That's like us offering some Guyanese or bajan former pro league player the job  when we have people like Dwarika etc available.

Alluh forget the next level of managers also being groomed for the national team? So the more of them getting the experience the better it is for the national team selection.

Dwight fighting a losing battle. Drogba would quicker get the Chelsea job before Dwight even get a whiff at Man U reserves.  Dwight isn't even "british" so infront of him are black british former players.

Plus it probably doesn't help that his personal life is always splattered across the front-papers every now and then neither.

He should probably aim for Asst at USL, MLS etc and even that would be difficult.

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Football / Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
« on: November 28, 2018, 09:14:05 PM »
Deeks

School is for learning and individual development but no environment to create upcoming professional players.

Developing young professional players is a science and SSFL can't replicated that.

What we are seeing today is basically the result of forming our football foundation on the SSFL.

Development needs to a collective effort between TTFA and the youth clubs.

SSFL is nothing more than P.E and played for bragging rights.

No scout is going to rate a group of 16-19 year olds playing in a school league when that same age group in Europe etc are full scale professionals. They sign professional terms at 16? in Europe. These players have mortgages to pay and even children to mine. Is a different type of environment.

The Pro League can't complain about the SSFL and this just shows how out of touch we are with the way football works. If the Pro League clubs want they can offer preferential terms to their youth players for exclusively. But then again, if we had a serious youth programme with proper development then these same players wouldn't be able to play for their schools from Aug to Dec because they would be obligated to represented their clubs for months etc.

Players in Europe go to normal schools during the day and then to their football clubs on the afternoon. This is nothing new.

Sidenote....IF SSFL preseason starting in May/June and the season ends in December? Where exactly the pro league developing youth players? Who developing Youth players?

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Football / Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
« on: November 28, 2018, 08:59:47 PM »
A kid is in high school from 11 to 16, during that time he might (or may not) play with a club in the non-school season.
Pray tell, when will one expect him to develop and improve. Sure there is further and much more to be done after, provided he can afford to stick with football. Not many can afford such a privilege, even in TT where many Nationals feel , if one wants it, yuh just go and get it. However in the real world ..after high school, yuh better start getting yuh vehicle to yuh life in gear and stop playing period. If football is yuh vehicle, on average, yuh can’t be now learning and developing at 20.

Add: my point being, developing should occur during yuh school years, that’s what school supposed to be for,  anything else although fun and glorious,may not be correct. You try to keep learning all yuh life.
Just my opinion

Yeah but the school can never create a professional player. Remember a professional player can start an EPL game at 16 years old. They already sign professional terms and earning an income from football. That is what our "kids" are up against. In TnT, they do fraud to allow players to neglect education just to play SSFL at the age of 18, 19 and possibly 20. A 20 year old european player is a professional player for atleast 3 years. By that time he would have played for possibly countless teams during his career. Our 20 years old not even sure of their scholarship offers.

SSFL is nothing more than glorified P.E. We shouldn't be looking towards it for anything more than entertainment purposes. That needs to be for the clubs and the clubs alone. Schools could never be academies. No where in the world is this done successfully so why should we try to redo the blue print.

The Pro clubs need to develop our youth players. These youth players need to be in a competitive environment for 9 months atleast out of the year. How is that feasible with the SSFL? It simply isn't. Why is it so hard to have a focused and dedicated youth league with a strong focus on development. Don't we have u15, 17 and u20 national teams to supply.

Schools must never be tasked with creating "Pro" players.

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Football / Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
« on: November 27, 2018, 03:42:04 PM »
congo, if not "develop", how about "improve"?

Not even that.

Unless the "improvement" is for them to go to better Universities through scholarship etc.

Remember those games are nothing more than friendly rivalries and bragging rights.

Has nothing to do with developing so why should the schools carry this burden.

Pro League players not even suppose to be playing in SSFL cause that is a step backward and could hamper their development. These are two completely different paths a footballer must take.

Where in the world is a schools' league expected to develop and improve footballers?

We need to start removing SSFL from the football vocabulary. The problem is the pull that it still has that causes players to gravitate towards it for "glory".

Madness

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Football / Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
« on: November 27, 2018, 01:57:12 PM »
The SSFL goal is not to develop players.

Can we all agree to stop placing this responsibility on the schools.

Developing players rest with the football clubs and TTFA.

Are High schools in the USA expected to "develop" players? Are schools in the Uk expected to develop players?

We keep doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

The SSFL  "product" isn't suppose to look "exemplary". These are just kids representing their schools. No different from children playing inter house sports in their schools.

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Football / Re: Fire Dennis Lawrence Thread.
« on: November 16, 2018, 06:26:34 PM »
Brother if you feel our players are shithounds then why even bother commenting or watching our football?

TT should be a fete team, there’s no need for any passionate discussion bc you’re wasting your breath on shithounds, watch epl la liga you will get your moneys worth

I have a positive attitude and I believe in our players and people, and I have seen talent above other nations in concacaf with my own eyes..l

I have had cousins who have played at Holland national level and in Europe for Ajax etc, uncles who have traveled to almost every World Cup...
All of them are non Trinis but have seen and followed our team, all have said Trinidad has the talent to be in the top 3 every campaign

I have seen it for myself... and we all agreed, coaching, training and the admin are to blame... our dictator for a prez and politics that keep our team back...

So brother you can believe what you want to believe and I’ll stick to my beliefs .... bc I know how talented we really are


Trinidad doesn't have any sort of "special talent" that you are claiming. It's that belief that causes our players to reach the senior team still needing to be coached in the very basics of the game. "Talent" alone will not get you anywhere in football. All major football clubs in Europe etc have football academies brimming with talent but the reality is that each years hundreds of youth players are released by their clubs because they are just not good enough.  They all had "talent".

Our youth players are mainly playing in the SSFL, hoping to get a scholarship. That's the reality. That 'talent" can't compare to the 15/16 year old who making their professional debut in the champions league and Epl etc. Is chalk and cheese brother. You basing this "talent" on what? Street football in Carenage?

We need to start being realistic and honest with ourselves and what we are even attempting to achieve.

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Football / Re: Who is Nicklas Frenderup?
« on: November 15, 2018, 04:23:41 PM »
Madness! USL players are professionals plying their trade in a professional environment

What does that have to do with quality of the football? Professionalism has more to do with the overall country's business profile(employment law etc) than specific sport/league. I'm sure that due to the quality of life, cost of living, professional expertise available etc that most professional sports in the USA would be professionally run. That doesn't mean that the quality of the ball being played will be superior.

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Football / Re: Who is Nicklas Frenderup?
« on: November 15, 2018, 04:18:12 PM »
Realistically USL is probably at the same level as pro league in terms of quality? So they may be seeing it as a like for like switch for a local goalkeeper.

You really think so? And we have some much players playing there who does get pick?

By that I mean, they don't seem to struggle to make the "step up" etc. They seem to just ease right into it. So I'm guessing that it's similar to what they are accustomed to.

Yeah but that is still outfield players from Trinidad. Is not like TTFA scouting the USL in search of players with Trini heritage like they do in Europe etc.

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General Discussion / Re: Gary Griffith Thread.
« on: November 15, 2018, 02:04:17 PM »
Who is Gary Boleyn ?


"Anne Boleyn"

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Football / Re: Who is Nicklas Frenderup?
« on: November 15, 2018, 02:01:37 PM »
I don't think the TTFA cares about a goalkeeper playing in the USL to be honest.

I don't think the care about the USL. Realistically USL is probably at the same level as pro league in terms of quality? So they may be seeing it as a like for like switch for a local goalkeeper.

I think Nicklas has the added benefit of a european passport which would allow him to move to a better euro club once he is performing at the level required. That is probably why they keeping him close. His future could be boundless in terms of transfer.

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Football / Re: 2018 T&T Super League Thread
« on: September 12, 2018, 06:32:15 PM »
Shouldn't the Super league always have  a developmental National Team in it...Be it the under 20 or under 17 team just to keep that age group active and match ready. Super League shouldn't interfere with any scholarship opportunities or is viewed as a Pro League?

The onus is on the TTFA. If dey want that to be part of the program for the national youth teams then dey need to come up with a proposal.

There are players who played in the early part of the season and have gone on to take up scholarships. There are also some who have played for teams while they are on holidays.

Yeah I just always thought that it would have been in a built in strategy seeing that it was used with the group that went to the youth world cup etc. If I remember correctly, they won the league as well. Ah mean, if you have a pool of 30 players etc who probably not seeing action with any pro league team on the regular then it should be easy to field an 11 consistently in the super league and then supplement the team with those from College league etc to get a capable under 20 team. Not like we have an under 20 team in camp always raring to go. Super League is 26 games a season, that should keep their legs at least warm and allow for greater chances to improve.

Super League and Pro League should come to an arrangement to allow Pro League reserves to play in that league as well. Or maybe Pro League needs a seperate reserve league just for their reserves. That is if they even have reserves. Reserves should give under 20 players more match time etc.

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Football / Re: 2018 T&T Super League Thread
« on: September 11, 2018, 11:56:19 PM »
Shouldn't the Super league always have  a developmental National Team in it...Be it the under 20 or under 17 team just to keep that age group active and match ready. Super League shouldn't interfere with any scholarship opportunities or is viewed as a Pro League?

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Football / Re: Dwight Yorke Official Thread
« on: December 02, 2017, 07:40:32 PM »
So delusional....

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Football / Re: Dwight Yorke Official Thread
« on: November 15, 2017, 11:59:23 AM »
Dwight is so delusional yes...Haha

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