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Entertainment & Culture Discussion / Re: MICHAEL JACKSON DEAD AT 50
« on: July 30, 2009, 11:02:00 AM »
MJ? Love child? wdf?

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General Discussion / Re: WTF
« on: July 30, 2009, 10:54:28 AM »
when ppl mad dey does do all kinda sh!t...i remember a time a man walk up sooknanan street in marabella naked as he born.

at the risk of stating the obvious, this is hardly comparable...

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: ...

and i reading de thread from most recent post up, lol.

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General Discussion / Re: Moving smart ....
« on: July 30, 2009, 10:41:38 AM »
they meetin fuh they beers tonite.de officer drinkin miller,gates drinkin ah red stripe and obama ah bud lite.

... an example of yuh cyah please everybody ... maybe he should have gone with o'douls ... between the lemonade proposal and sam adams, and not inviting the caller to chill with dem ... de man gehhin static left, right and center.

p.s. yuh doh geh de feelin he's more of a heineken man?

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Football / Re: T&T U-20s lose it late to Brazil.
« on: July 30, 2009, 10:28:59 AM »
To be fair, the squad just returned from a tournament that we all considered worthy ... so they're back, and we know they have an itinerary established already for other foreign engagements ... is there something wrong with having a lower intensity game after what they've just been through?

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Football / Re: We have exactly 2 weeks before we play El Salvador.
« on: July 29, 2009, 03:25:08 PM »
Fellas hear nah

I went to see Dc play last night against that El Salvadorian team... I see their coach afro (that look closely like pancho's) I really thought it was him (that fro traumatize meh) and I was like dammmmm... corbeaux brans still alive oui... I had to make meh way closer to the tunnel at half to see if it was really him, because the El Salvadorian team was not looking too bad...

:) ... Normally he has de fro tamped down wid ah baseball cap ... Peruvian brodda though.

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Football / Re: T&T U-20s lose it late to Brazil.
« on: July 29, 2009, 01:19:28 PM »
Thanks.

De squad really settled already? If so, wow.

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Football / Re: National U-20s meet Chaguanas All Stars.
« on: July 29, 2009, 01:01:00 PM »

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"The team has started to come together as I wanted," Mourinho said. "The defence is settled and we have an excellent group of strikers with Samuel, Diego Milito, Mario Balotelli and even David Suazo with his speed.

"I now have great trust in this squad."

This is going to be interesting. Suazo is in rehab for his knee injury, and has been alternating individual and joint sessions with the squad. Right now, he's not sure whether he'll be participating versus Costa Rica on the 12th ...  I'd like to see him settle with Inter ... dude has barely touched a ball within the last 5 months.

Just as curious about this frontline as I am about Owen's coming production for Man U.


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next up...toure from arsenal to man city.

i doh understand this move since he is not a striker.

 ;D

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Prime Minister should have revealed this before'
Joel Julien jjulien@trinidadexpress.com

Wednesday, July 29th 2009   

IF Prime Minister Patrick Manning's allegations of an assassination plot last year are true, then why was this not revealed during the tribunal investigating the conduct of dismissed police officer Clinton Auguste, attorney Garvin Nicholas questioned yesterday.

Nicholas, Auguste's attorney, made the comment to the Express by phone yesterday in response to a claim of an assassination plot made by Manning during a PNM meeting held in Arima on Monday night.


During that meeting, Manning, told supporters that his wife Local Government Minister Hazel Manning was informed of a plot "that a certain organisation in this country was about to make an attempt to assassinate the Prime Minister". And that this alleged plot was the precursor to the ugly face-off between Manning and members of his security detail and Auguste on July 26 last year while Manning and his wife were heading to the gym.

On March 20, a tribunal headed by Deputy Commissioner of Police Gilbert Reyes suggested that Auguste be dismissed with immediate effect.

Manning was among those people who gave evidence which eventually led to Auguste's dismissal from the Police Service.

Nicholas also questioned the timing of Manning's statements as only last Wednesday full documentation was requested into the tribunal.

Auguste told the Express by phone yesterday that he was "aware and astonished" by the allegations made by Manning on Monday night, but referred all questions to Nicholas.

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DEJA VU: Manning also spoke of death threats in 2003, 2005
Anna Ramdass aramdass@trinidadexpress.com
Wednesday, July 29th 2009   

It was a case of deja vu on Monday, when Prime Minister Patrick Manning, on the 19th anniversary of the attempted coup, claimed that a threat was made to assassinate him.

He did the same on the exact date, four years ago.

Manning had also admitted to having received threats to his life in November 2003.

On July 27, 2005, Manning at a wreath-laying ceremony at the Red House, in observance of the 15th anniversary of the Jamaat-al-Muslimeen attempted coup, said he was forced to increase his personal security detail as his life was under threat.

At that time Manning said, "We have taken appropriate steps, as far as it is possible to do so, in times such as these, to guarantee the nation's security... And if today you find that the Prime Minister has heightened security, it is because we are not unaware of the threat to the Prime Minister's life at this time. That's the reality of the time in which we live."

On Monday, Manning did not attend the wreath-laying ceremony at the Red House.

However, at the PNM's public meeting in Arima, he spoke about an incident that occurred last year where a marked police vehicle tried to "peel off" one his security detail.

"...What has not been said before is that two days (July 26, 2008) before that, someone walked into the office of the Minister of Local Government (Hazel Manning) and told her that a certain organisation in this country was about to make an attempt to assassinate the Prime Minister. That is what the Prime Minister knew that morning.

"Fortunately for us, my dear friends, we did not report it at the time. Had it been reported, I assure you there would have been bloodshed that morning and certain people would have been killed-there is no question about it," Manning said on Monday.

One of the police officers involved in that incident has since been fired from the Police Service.

In 2003, House Speaker Barendra Sinanan said he had received death threat letters and Manning at that time revealed that he, too, had received threats to his life.

He had told the media then: "But may I say that some of us get that (death threats) pretty regularly. I have been getting a few of them myself. Recently I have gotten a few of them."

On the previous occasions Manning did not state whether he had reported the matter to the police. However, on Monday he admitted he did not report the threat made last year as there would have been bloodshed.

In 2004, a death threat was made on the life of former government minister Ken Valley.

It was reported back then that death threats were made on the President, Chief Justice and Attorney General by the Jamaat-al-Muslimeen.

Manning had told the media: "That's not so, that's not true. No, I have received none (death threats) and I am not aware that the President has received any either, or the Chief Justice."

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General Discussion / Re: Jihad in Trinidad and Tobago, July 27, 1990
« on: July 29, 2009, 02:51:28 AM »
Even if there is no clear resolution to be had from proceeding with the inquiry at this late stage, there remains value in putting into the national record the remembrances, recollections and turbulent history of a time we have been too eager to allow to recede into the past. While understanding security issues that are now 19 years old may not bring value to the needs of law enforcement today, those who suffered and those who died during that week of terror deserve to have their story told and understood. The national psyche can only benefit from an open, clear and balanced analysis of the crisis T&T faced on July 27, 1990.

My point exactly.  

And, in its glaring lucidity this statement explains a lot ... think of a Venn diagram



The editorial states A ... the powers that be (deliberately singular) states B ... guess what is at the intersection of the truth and resistance to transparency.

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I doh understand why indians always claiming discrimination when their race/group is generally more successful than people of african descent.

Boss,

Don't bracket a whole subsection of our country because some jokers who happen to be of the same ethnicity pushing race talk to an extreme. They do NOT speak for the informed populace, only the ones who excel within the context of tribal politics.

While there may not be an overt conspiracy against "indians" as claimed by the collective jackasses, there exists prejudice across the board (ALL races) in Trinidad and Tobago. Its not hard to come on this board and find posts that border on ridiculous. Nothing is ever said because we have this illusion that we are a nation of great tolerance and a prevailing attitude of "if you cyah take picong, you eh no trini". One consequence of all of this is that we never have honest discussions bout race matters in T&T.

Something else to note, people of all races have succeeded in spite of perceived discrimination. Success is not a measuring stick for whether discrimination exists or not. But I digress.

Good post. Trinbagonians don't organize their lives around hatred and ethnic difference but very subtle discrimination exists. Case in point: "If you cyah take picong you eh no Trini". I'm almost certain "taking and giving picong" is a African derived cultural trait that we transposed onto part of the core of what it apparently means to be "Trini".

In fact most of what we consider Trini is based on Afro-European culture, with a smattering of superficial Indian references. We don’t even come close to incorporating the stories, the great texts or even the ayurvedas of India into mainstream culture. The closest I can recall to authentic Indian spiritulism being brought into the mainstream in and of itself was when Lord Shorty sang Om Shanti in ‘78.

I’m not excusing Gopeesingh and his nonsense. But discrimination is always invisible to those who form the cultural majority. Gopeesingh might be talking shyte, but if we smart we will reject him but take a long hard look at ourselves and how we do we business.

No Name and Zando, kudos for injecting thoughtful nuance into the discussion. That stated, leh me quibble lil bit.

As far as the honest discussions on race: I believe contributors here (and on the Trini street) project honesty in their discourse on race ... it may not always be seemingly informed, particularly enlightened, liberal or to our liking, buh I sense it's 'honest' b/c it's 'experiential' and 'perceived', and dispensed in a stream of consciousness way.

If we want to arrive at a more penetrating platform demonstrating incisive honesty rooted in so-called 21st century values and norms, perhaps then we should change 'our' leaders and re-orient the view on the street (top to bottom reform?) AND revisit the class fracture that's the other denied axis of "our nation of great tolerance" (bottom to top reform?)

Buh really, our "superficial Indian references" likely stem from our superficial interactions. We're all willing participants in a national Jedi mind trick that's self-serving. Want to put this to the test? Try explaining who we are to non-Trinis (or kids). What pisses off a bulky cross-section of the populace is the political "jokers" who refuse to buy into the 'trick' for their self-serving reasons. So, lemme ask ah question: why does the Jedi mind trick operate on the basis of African and Indian exclusively?

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Zando, why ah gehhin de feeling 'closest' is almost a proxy for 'first'? Or even 'only' :devil:

Anyway, I think closest is debatable, but your point is taken. I would prefer to refer to Shorty's contributions as a point of departure because we can't ignore the fact that the early 70s reflect only a brief period in our self-determination/post-independence experiment. [We really looking at '73/'74 rather than '78]. It wasn't that much earlier that the society was ordered (still is to degree) by covenants imposed on us. As I understand it, the sort of incorporation into a meshed artistic fabric you refer to would have been difficult prior to that. If we're honest, it's been challenging subsequently.

In my view, there is always a fear of cultural approximation and cultural insensitivity when the 'messenger' crosses boundaries. We've had more than a couple episodes like that over the years. However, when the 'messenger' brings the apparent legitimacy of coming from within a tradition (versus not)  .. while the charges persist as internal debate and at lower intensity, ultimately they broaden inclusiveness and foster cultural dialogue (say, as over the years tassa has spoken with increasing volume and has 'married' other manifestations).

So, what's the predicate for an infusion of an "authentic Indian spiritualism"? Invitation, collaboration or imposition? While I'm not insensitive to this charge of a cultural tyranny of the majority, you haven't placed an onus on the culturally aggrieved or oppressed in helping bridge the gap ... neither have you addressed whether they wanted to affect the dominant idiom OR merely wanted a kind of parallel, equal platform. (What distinguished Mastana Bahar (TV) from Geetanjali (radio)?

I would caution that historically both idioms co-existed by thriving on different 'things'. It seems one looked inwards (maybe even demarcated boundaries) and the other thrived on broader public expression (thus co-opting the space that was? available to the 'other'), and hence found it easier to aggrandize its position with the assistance and democratization of social elites (Minshall et al).

(Perhaps you could contend 'public expression' should read 'public acceptance' ... I could vibes that). Whose responsibility is it for expanding the motif? Can it be done secularly without religious outrage and political consequences? I think you guys have touched on the challenge going fwd.

Obviously, this ent nutten definitive ... just adding variables.

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Football / Sounds familiar ...
« on: July 29, 2009, 12:45:30 AM »
Weah calls for players to govern

By Oluwashina Okeleji
BBC Sport, Lagos

George Weah, the 1995 World and African Footballer of the Year, says that Africa's former players should be taking a bigger role in administration.

"In Europe, people who played the game govern the game," Weah told BBC Sport.

"But in Africa, people who don't know anything or have passion for the game govern the game, so it kills the game in Africa."

The Liberian idol led a selection of retired African football greats in a match in Lagos at the weekend to promote the World Cup.

Weah and the likes of Ghana's Abedi Pele are official ambassadors for the 2010 World Cup, but the Liberian believes that the continent's stars need to be much more involved in running the game.

"We have to come together and show the world that we were good on the pitch and we can be great off the pitch as well," he said.

"Football being run as a comical circus needs to change - when we decide to do that, then we will restore respect to football and it will take a different trend in Africa.

"But if we don't fight for football's soul now, it's going to stay the same way and we'll watch the game lose its relevance and power.

"The people who have been on the pitch and played it like their lives depended on it should come on board because they know what the sport means to Africans."

"Together we should start taking responsibility to revive the game here, because football means life, freedom and power to the people of Africa."

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Football / Re: Put yuhself in Latas boots for a minute
« on: July 28, 2009, 04:07:19 PM »
Hell of a cost-benefit analysis ... if Latas plays what de arse will be going on in de technical area?

If he doesn't play, we sure to read/hear plenty "if Latas did only play" comments. If he take ah corbeaux sweat, will that boil down to a tactical oversight? If he gehhin a corbeaux sweat, when to take it? Plenty questions more. I eh envy yuh.

Personally, bredrin I down fuh yuh influencing the game when we on level terms ... not looking fuh yuh to step on when we scampering to salvage a point or worse.

Buh check it ... El Salvador play all dey cards at the Gold Cup ... review dem games carefully, especially de one versus Costa Rica ... or, skim dis fuh de Cliff notes version ... it hot off de press:

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Defensive organization and tactics:

El Salvador played with a flat-back four and the defenders generally marked and covered each other well. Their individual defensive skills, particularly heading and challenging in one-on-one duels, also were competent. Over the course of the three matches, however, lapses in concentration inside the penalty area allowed goals by Costa Rica's Warren GRANADOS (No. 19) and Canada's Ali GERBA (No. 9), and Jamaica's Omar CUMMINGS (No. 22).

Like its group opponents, El Salvador relied heavily upon organization and pressure defense to protect its goal. Depending on the match and the opponent, the line of defense changed. Costa Rica was subjected to immediate pressure all over the field when El Salvador lost possession, but the team adopted a deeper defensive position against Canada and Jamaica. All players worked hard to quickly transition to defense and to maintain a compact team structure. The lone forward, Williams REYES (No. 19) exerted limited pressure up front to delay counter-attacks, sometimes supported by a midfielder. It was the five-man midfield, though, that assumed the main burden, working intensely to reduce space and time on the ball in the middle third.

Attacking organization and tactics:

El Salvador's midfield included several players with excellent technique to launch its attack. With quick transition, both centrally and wide, they caused serious problems for Costa Rica in their opening match, exploiting each zone for a goal apiece. However, despite its success in scoring the first goal against Costa Rica -- when Osael ROMERO (#8) ran on to a long goalkeeper clearance played on by Williams REYES (#19) behind the Ticos' defense to score with a brilliant individual effort -- El Salvador seemed content to pass the ball in front of opposing defenses and never consistently sought to explore space behind the defenders.

El Salvador benefited from Ramon SANCHEZ (No. 7), an excellent passer who initiated the attack and controlled its rhythm. The other central midfielders, Osael ROMERO (#8) and Christian CASTILLO (#17), played a more attacking role, using the lone forward Williams REYES (#19) or Rudis CORRALES (No. 9) as a foil to penetrate deep positions. It was exploiting this tactic that enabled Osael ROMERO (#8) to score twice against Costa Rica.

Key Points: El Salvador

1) Good links between team lines
2) Midfield Pressing
3) Constructive build up play
4) Rapid transition for defence to attack
5) Attacks through the middle
6) Attacks using the width
7) Influential individual players
8. Comfortable in possession when under pressure
9) Good individual technique
10) Mental strength/attitude

GOOD LUCK pardnah.

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Football / Re: T&T U-20s lose it late to Brazil.
« on: July 28, 2009, 03:41:52 PM »
How many players on this squad were in Korea?

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Football / Re: T&T U-20s lose it late to Brazil.
« on: July 28, 2009, 03:36:17 PM »
How can people judge without actually seeing the game?

None of us know what took place. Maybe the staff was satisfied with what they saw of
the starting 11 that were up 2-0 and decided to make wholesale changes to the backline and give others experience against Brazil!


Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ....

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Football / Re: T&T U-20s lose it late to Brazil.
« on: July 26, 2009, 11:35:48 PM »
I'm pretty darn sure Brazil played with it's 'Z' team.  ::)

Guess Leston was correct in his stepping up comment.

scroing 2 goals on Brazil is great...but taking 3 in 10 minutes is pititful. Z' team indeed.

I think part of the teams problem is highlighted here
 
http://www.socawarriors.net/mens-youth-team/mens-u20/5584-lucky-coach-anton-corneal-joins-tat-u-20-teams-staff.html


Well, taking 3 late is the corollary of taking 3 EARLY, ent? Symptomatic of the same malady?

(edit)

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well...he has been playing really well in the Pro League...I've seen a few games and he loked good...
If these guys were here to see the pro league they would see that Latapy is picking men who are performing well.  With the exception of Akile Edwards (I just doh like he) I can't complain about the men who getting called.

Nah, doh say THAT!  Latas was blind when he elevated Tinto, and now he blind on this move too.  :devil: Men need to relax. Leh coachman handle he wuk.

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Football / Re: T&T U-20s lose it late to Brazil.
« on: July 26, 2009, 09:38:26 PM »
I'm pretty darn sure Brazil played with its 'Z' team.  ::)

Guess Leston was correct in his stepping up comment.

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Football / Re: Thread for the 2009 Gold Cup Games.
« on: July 26, 2009, 09:30:45 PM »
It's official! The Gold Cup's Technical Study Group (which includes Keith Look Loy) has selected Gio dos Santos as tournament MVP.

Award Winners

Most Valuable Player Award: Giovani dos Santos (MEX)
Golden Boot Award: Miguel Sabah (MEX)
Best Goalkeeper Award: Keilor Navas (CRC)
Fair Play Award: United States

All-Tournament Team


Goalkeepers
Keilor Navas (CRC)
Guillermo Ochoa (MEX)

Defenders
Mike Klukowski (CAN)
Jose Fernandez (CRC)
Fausto Pinto (MEX)
Luis Moreno (PAN)
Clarence Goodson (USA)
Chad Marshall (USA)

Midfielders

Julian de Guzman (CAN)
Celso Borges (CRC)
Stephane Auvray (GLP)
Gerardo Torrado (MEX)
Giovani dos Santos (MEX)
Stuart Holden (USA)

Forwards

Alvaro Saborio (CRC)
Walter Martinez (HON)
Miguel Sabah (MEX)
Kenny Cooper (USA)

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Football / Re: Thread for the 2009 Gold Cup Games.
« on: July 26, 2009, 09:12:36 PM »
dat could have been the US  C team ,we still cant beat that squad.

anyway, stuart holden look real good in de Gold Cup, i would be happy if we have  aplayer like him on our team, he is no latas in his prime but holden is very solid.

Yeah man ... like this player ... especially the maturity he's demonstrated since Olympic qualifying.

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Football / Re: Thread for the 2009 Gold Cup Games.
« on: July 26, 2009, 04:42:25 PM »
What language do Mexicans speak?
Are you "English" because you speak the english language? Don't be closed minded bro.

Hoss...they spanish. My statement is a general blanket statement. ALL SPANISH SPEAKING people don't like blacks. Yuh feel better.

And I does tork Trinbagonian, just like how people from Mexico does speak Mexicans and people from grease are mechanics.

And, as TT would argue ... Spanish-speaking blacks doh like deyself. :devil:

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Football / Re: Thread for the 2009 Gold Cup Games.
« on: July 26, 2009, 04:40:13 PM »
Is the Gold Cup compromised by the absence of several key players?
this one was, it was a mockery of the so-called premier tournament in concacaf..but then again..despite the absence of the "bigger" players in concacaf..it still followed the pattern of most gold cups..

The reason I asked is b/c a compelling argument can be made that the tournament allowed teams to blood, deepen, investigate, however-yuh-want-to-put it ... their player pool. That the expected teams arrived in the final four may put a dampener on the contention of the tourney being compromised ... especially since the lower tier teams were not bringing adjusted rosters.


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Football / Re: Thread for the 2009 Gold Cup Games.
« on: July 26, 2009, 04:35:42 PM »
... and yeah, who is yuh pick fuh wickedest or most influential baller on display in the Gold Cup?

At the time I asked this question, I didn't have a settled opinion on a candidate ...

I'll give it to Gio dos Santos.

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Football / Re: Thread for the 2009 Gold Cup Games.
« on: July 26, 2009, 04:24:44 PM »
Is the Gold Cup compromised by the absence of several key players?

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Football / Re: Thread for the 2009 Gold Cup Games.
« on: July 26, 2009, 04:12:43 PM »
Zeppo...serve your side right for carrying a B squad to the regions premier tournament, like if allyuh all that. Such disrespect deserves the trouncing in progress....hope it goes to 20-0.
Breds the only team that carried their A team was el salvador. every body had ah B or C team.

BTW that was ah C team not ah B team. and yuh right about the disrespect factor, @ least altidor and davies should've been there. mexico also brought ah B team, what's that about?

Wha letter side Grenada walk wid?

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Football / Re: Thread for the 2009 Gold Cup Games.
« on: July 26, 2009, 04:11:10 PM »
Zeppo...serve your side right for carrying a B squad to the regions premier tournament, like if allyuh all that. Such disrespect deserves the trouncing in progress....hope it goes to 20-0.
:rotfl: :rotfl: Great Result, Max Bretos is the only commentator that is kinda fair in the commentating.

Sorry, have tuh disagree with that Max comment; he is one of the biggest Usa flag wavers to call games! Can you say HOMER? At least Chris sullivan tries tuh give credit for good plays made by the opposition.  

I don't follow their coverage normally, but he did allude to that today. His comment was something along the lines of the result stinging even in the commentary booth.

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Football / Re: Thread for the 2009 Gold Cup Games.
« on: July 26, 2009, 04:04:06 PM »
Could somebody explain why the Mexican had to come off the field and wash his pants???


Cause he had blood on his pants...

Also somewhat of an inconsistency with the ref b/c it doesn't appear the wash job was thorough or appropriate. One thought he would have changed the shorts.

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Football / Re: 19 dead in Ivory Coast
« on: July 26, 2009, 12:50:21 PM »
Well, there has been some accountability ... sentences were handed down last week:

According to the BBC:

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An Ivory Coast football official has been sent to jail for six months for printing fake tickets for a match marred by a deadly stadium stampede.

Albert Kacou Anzouan, head of the Ivorian Football Federation (FIF) match organising committee, was also fined $1,000 for manslaughter and fraud.
 ....

Thousands of "parallel" tickets were printed, the state prosecutor said. Faustin Aka, responsible for printing the tickets, was also given the same sentence.

The state prosecutor primarily blamed the deaths on fans without tickets who forced their way into the stadium.

A reported 36,000 fans tried to cram into the Houphouet-Boigny stadium, which has a capacity for 34,600, to see Ivory Coast beat Malawi 5-0.

Our reporter says Anzouan was also found guilty of theft by the correctional court.

The state prosecutor had called for a one-year sentence, reports the AFP news agency.

Two other people from a sub-contractor involved in the printing of tickets were given three-month suspended sentences.

FIF Director General Ardjouma Kone was found not guilty, along with chief accountant Andoh Beugre and three others, AFP reports.

Three members of the police and security forces will be judged by another court, our reporter says.

On Wednesday, football's world governing body Fifa fined the FIF $47,000 following the enquiry into the stadium tragedy.

It imposed a series of safety measures and also announced a donation of $96,000 to a fund set up for the families of the victims.

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General Discussion / Re: Navas
« on: July 25, 2009, 01:26:27 PM »
She seemed very nervous on the first day and the few words she spoke didn't come across too well. The Palin comparision did cross my mind though, but who knows, maybe with a little polishing up she'll surprise us.

She really mastered the beauty queen wave though...


:)

...is she like a trini Sarah Palin???   what's up with not letting her speak to the media??  

Good politics.

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