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Say it ain't so, ATO!!!
« on: April 13, 2008, 04:11:28 PM »
I believe that this story reported by the New York Times may well ensnare our Ato Boldon in the fullness of time.

LAREDO, Tex. — When one of the most successful coaches in the history of track and field goes on trial next month in the long-running federal investigation into doping in sports, lawyers for both sides are prepared to reveal that cheating in track is far more widespread than previously known.

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Angel Heredia and Trevor Graham in 1996 at Mr. Heredia’s Laredo, Tex., apartment.

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According to Angel Heredia, Maurice Greene transferred $10,000 to a Laredo, Tex., bank account of a Heredia relative, whose name is partly blacked out.
The main witness against the coach, Trevor Graham, has said he supplied illicit drugs and advice on their use to Mr. Graham and his camp of elite athletes, including Marion Jones, as well as to many other sprinters and their coaches.

Angel Guillermo Heredia is identified as Source A in the felony indictment. He agreed to be a cooperating witness three years ago when, according to court filings, investigators confronted him with evidence of his drug trafficking and money laundering. Since then, Mr. Heredia said, he has provided prosecutors with documentation and with the names of many elite track athletes and Olympic medal winners.

Mr. Graham, who is charged with three counts of making false statements to federal agents, says that he is innocent. A defense motion to dismiss, which was denied, said the government’s case had been built on accusations by Mr. Heredia that “are not true and are merely an effort to attempt to divert attention from his illicit drug dealing and the illicit drug usage by athletes.”

Mr. Graham’s lawyers have said they will expose prominent athletes who were Mr. Heredia’s clients in an attempt to discredit him. They have said they will prove him to be a tainted witness who continued to dispense drugs and who should be the one facing charges.

Mr. Heredia said he had named names to prosecutors, identifying about two dozen elite athletes as his clients in the hope of keeping his status as a federal witness rather than as a criminal target.

The federal authorities who have worked with Mr. Heredia for three years say that he is credible despite his unsavory activities, and that nothing he has told them has been shown to be untrue, said a lawyer with knowledge of the investigation who spoke anonymously because he was not authorized to discuss it.

In recent interviews with The New York Times, Mr. Heredia described how and with whom he worked, sharing copies of records that appear to link him to many of the best sprinters of the last decade. Those records include e-mail exchanges of doping regimens, canceled checks, telephone recordings, shipping records, laboratory readings of blood and urine samples, and Justice Department documents.

Among his clients, Mr. Heredia identified 12 athletes who had won a combined 26 Olympic medals and 21 world championships. Four of the 12 athletes, including Ms. Jones, had been named and barred from competition for illicit drug use. Eight of the 12 — notably, the sprinter Maurice Greene — have never been previously linked to performance-enhancing drugs.

Mr. Greene, a two-time Olympic gold medalist and a five-time world champion, has never failed a drug test.

Mr. Heredia showed The Times a copy of a bank transaction form showing a $10,000 wire transfer from a Maurice Greene to a relative of Mr. Heredia’s; two sets of blood-test lab reports with Mr. Greene’s name and age on them; and an e-mail message from a close friend and track-club teammate of Mr. Greene’s, attaching one of the lab reports and saying, “Angel, this is maurices results sorry it took so long.”

Mr. Greene did not respond to numerous requests for comment over the last two weeks. His agent and his father each said he would pass along The Times’s messages to Mr. Greene. Copies of documents Mr. Heredia showed The Times were sent to Mr. Greene’s agent, Daniel Escamilla of HSInternational, based in California. Mr. Escamilla said he forwarded them to Mr. Greene but declined to make any comment.

The teammate also did not respond to telephone and e-mail messages asking for comment.

The Justice Department has kept its focus narrow in investigations rising from the Bay Area Laboratory Co-operative, a California company raided by federal agents in 2003. The government has filed charges against only those who dealt the drugs or impeded the investigation, not the users who told the truth.

Regulators Take Notice

Even if the Graham case is settled before trial or the names of sprinters Mr. Heredia says he worked with never come out in public testimony, prosecutors are expected to pass along evidence to the United States Anti-Doping Agency, which investigates doping in sports after criminal proceedings are complete.

Travis T. Tygart, the chief executive of the antidoping agency, declined to comment about Mr. Heredia in a telephone interview Tuesday. Referring to his agency, Mr. Tygart said, “Usada continues to cooperate with the Balco investigators and will aggressively act on all reliable evidence of doping if and when received through the Balco investigation or otherwise.”

Mr. Heredia said he met with Mr. Tygart two years ago but did not reveal as many of his former clients to Mr. Tygart as he had to federal investigators.

The extent of Mr. Heredia’s disclosures were news to the International Association of Athletics Federations, track’s governing body.

“We would be very, very keen to talk to somebody who had information like that,” Chris Butler, a spokesman for I.A.A.F. antidoping programs, said in a recent telephone interview from his office in Monaco. Most of the doping suspensions last year were first investigated based on tips, which Mr. Butler said were “crucial to our testing and targeting.”

Mr. Heredia, 33, a former Mexican national discus champion, is a secretive figure on the track circuit who describes himself as a chemist, scientist and nutritionist. The son of a chemist, Mr. Heredia received an undergraduate degree in kinesiology from Texas A&M in Kingsville, records show.

He said he used family connections to pharmacies and labs in Mexico to help his business. For years, Mr. Heredia said, he helped his clients flout the rules and easily avoided detection. Substances like human growth hormone and the blood booster erythropoietin, or EPO, are still virtually impossible to detect, and “it is still easy to use testosterone” with fast-acting creams, he said.

“You combine all these things — boom! — you get amazing results,” Mr. Heredia said.

The I.A.A.F. performed 3,277 drug tests last year and barred only 10 athletes for doping. In her career, Ms. Jones passed more than 160 drug tests.

Mr. Heredia defended doping as necessary for his professional athletes to keep up with others who were taking performance enhancers or who had naturally higher hormone levels. “If you’re at the highest levels, you’ve got to do this to be competitive,” he said.

As for why he was talking publicly and without the approval of prosecutors, Mr. Heredia said he wanted to explain himself before the trial and to write books about his role in the track world, as José Canseco had done with steroids in baseball.

“I tried for years to protect them,” Mr. Heredia said of the athletes, “and at this point, I’m just doing what’s best for me.”

Decision to Testify

Mr. Heredia and his lawyer, Armando Trevino, said that prosecutors had not granted him immunity and that they still worried that he could be charged. Prosecutors offered last year to help Mr. Heredia, a Mexican citizen, with his American visa, if necessary, according to a court filing.

The three charges against Mr. Graham all involve his statements about Mr. Heredia. According to the indictment, in 2004 Mr. Graham told Jeff Novitzky, a special agent for the Internal Revenue Service, that he had never met Mr. Heredia nor had they talked on the phone after 1997. Mr. Graham also said he never received or distributed drugs from Mr. Heredia and did not send athletes to him for drugs.

Ten months after Mr. Graham’s interview with Mr. Novitzky, Mr. Heredia was called before the grand jury. Before testifying, Mr. Heredia said, he was interviewed by Mr. Novitzky, who held up a thick stack of phone records and said, “We’ve got you.” He said Mr. Novitzky gave him a choice: either cooperate and tell what you know about the underside of track and field, or face years in prison for drug trafficking.

Mr. Heredia showed The Times a photograph that he said had been taken in December 1996 in Laredo; in it, his hand is resting on Mr. Graham’s shoulder. Mr. Heredia said they stopped working together in 2000 after a financial dispute.

Mr. Graham’s lawyer, Bill Keane, declined to comment on Mr. Heredia, the photograph or the pending trial, except to say that he expected Mr. Heredia to be a government witness.

Gail Shifman, Mr. Graham’s former lawyer, described Mr. Heredia in a 2006 statement as a wrongdoer who was making “fraudulent allegations.” She wrote, “It is a sad comment that the pursuit of justice can be turned and twisted by personal vendettas and revenge.”

Mr. Heredia showed The Times e-mail messages, lab reports or financial records relating to 10 of the 12 Olympic medal winners he identified as his drug clients. The documents show that Mr. Heredia was paid by the athletes, had access to their private medical records and sent e-mail messages suggesting doping regimens, often with first-name familiarity. They are not, however, definitive proof that any of these athletes took performance-enhancing drugs.

Although most of their names are not mentioned in this article, Mr. Greene was identified because he is the most prominent athlete not previously linked to doping and was given copies of the documents Mr. Heredia provided as evidence of their working relationship.

Three of the 12 won Olympic medals in 2004, the others won theirs earlier. Mr. Heredia also identified as clients another dozen elite track stars who never won an Olympic medal.

“All these people are talented,” Mr. Heredia said. “The thing is they needed an extra boost. It’s a difference between running 10 flat all year, or 9.8 four times a year when you had to.”

Mr. Heredia told prosecutors in December 2006 and The Times recently that Mr. Greene had paid him a total of about $40,000, including the $10,000 wire transfer, for advice and steroid creams, EPO, insulin and stimulants in 2003 and 2004. Mr. Greene had already won two Olympic gold medals when Mr. Heredia said Mr. Greene first contacted him after the 2002 track season. By then, Mr. Greene had lost the title “world’s fastest man” to Tim Montgomery and was also losing races to Dwain Chambers; court records later showed that those sprinters were being helped by taking Balco drugs.

Reviewing Mr. Greene’s two blood reports for The Times, Dr. David L. Diuguid, director of hematology at Columbia University Department of Medicine, said they looked “totally normal.”

Mr. Greene, slowed by injuries in 2003, ran faster in 2004. He ran the 100 meters in 9.87 seconds — his best time in three years — for the bronze medal at the Athens Olympics. He also took a silver for anchoring the 4x100-meter relay.

Mr. Heredia said he stopped working with Mr. Greene after the Athens Games because of the expanding Balco investigation. Mr. Greene has not broken 10 seconds since then. He retired from racing in February at age 33 and was named an ambassador for the I.A.A.F.

Suspended Athletes

Of the two dozen sprinters Mr. Heredia said he worked with over the years, official track records show that seven of them have been barred for periods of two years to life for drug violations. Mr. Heredia said some took drugs that he did not recommend. Others were implicated in records seized from Balco after they switched from working with Mr. Graham and Mr. Heredia to working with Victor Conte Jr., a Balco co-founder.

Mr. Graham portrays himself as a whistle-blower because he sent a Balco syringe to investigators. But Mr. Heredia and Mr. Conte, in separate interviews, said that Mr. Graham was simply trying to put Mr. Conte out of business. Mr. Conte confirmed that he had known Mr. Heredia was supplying drugs to and advising athletes, including Ms. Jones, but he considered Mr. Heredia less sophisticated.

Some of the records Mr. Heredia showed to The Times were blunt and to the point. One e-mail message from a world indoor champion sprinter stated: “Send me some GH to my house. I am running Zurick. Let me know how much it is and I will send.” Mr. Heredia said “GH” was shorthand for growth hormone.

An e-mail message from July 2003 from Mr. Heredia to Raymond Stewart, a track coach in Texas who was a silver medalist in the 4x100 relay for Jamaica at the 1984 Olympics, described the drugs Mr. Heredia had recommended for two of Mr. Stewart’s runners. It referred to bottles of “g,” another shorthand for growth hormone, and testosterone. Reached by phone at his home, Mr. Stewart initially denied knowing Mr. Heredia. But after being provided with a copy of the 2003 message, he said that they had met. Mr. Stewart also said that he had rejected the drugs Mr. Heredia offered in the note. “We don’t do that,” Mr. Stewart said.

As Mr. Heredia waits to testify and worries he will be arrested, he still has work to keep him busy. He continues to advise foreign athletes on performance-enhancing drugs, he said, but never in the United States and no longer as a supplier.


Michael S. Schmidt and Elena Gustines contributed reporting from New York.


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Re: Say it ain't so, ATO!!!
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2008, 04:28:28 PM »
be carefull how u callin up man name in thing lol
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« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2008, 04:29:05 PM »
Boldon's name never appears in the article.

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Re: Say it ain't so, ATO!!!
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2008, 04:30:34 PM »
I believe that this story reported by the New York Times may well ensnare our Ato Boldon in the fullness of time.

Any reason you believe that other than what is in the article?

I searched the article and couldn't find "Boldon" anywhere in it. Also they said that Greene was the only name called because he was a "high profile name not previously linked to steroids". Ato would also qualify and since he has been very vocal about steroids in the past, I am sure that they would delight in naming him.

And finally, based on the timeline, Greene allegedly started working with the guy in 2002. I am pretty sure (I could be wrong) that Boldon and Greene were not training with the same camp by that point so I don't see how this involves Ato specifically.
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« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2008, 04:39:16 PM »
I believe that this story reported by the New York Times may well ensnare our Ato Boldon in the fullness of time.

LAREDO, Tex. — When one of the most successful coaches in the history of track and field goes on trial next month in the long-running federal investigation into doping in sports, lawyers for both sides are prepared to reveal that cheating in track is far more widespread than previously known.

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Ben Sklar for The New York Times
Angel Heredia, above, is a key witness in the case against the track coach Trevor Graham.

 
Angel Heredia
Angel Heredia and Trevor Graham in 1996 at Mr. Heredia’s Laredo, Tex., apartment.

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According to Angel Heredia, Maurice Greene transferred $10,000 to a Laredo, Tex., bank account of a Heredia relative, whose name is partly blacked out.
The main witness against the coach, Trevor Graham, has said he supplied illicit drugs and advice on their use to Mr. Graham and his camp of elite athletes, including Marion Jones, as well as to many other sprinters and their coaches.

Angel Guillermo Heredia is identified as Source A in the felony indictment. He agreed to be a cooperating witness three years ago when, according to court filings, investigators confronted him with evidence of his drug trafficking and money laundering. Since then, Mr. Heredia said, he has provided prosecutors with documentation and with the names of many elite track athletes and Olympic medal winners.

Mr. Graham, who is charged with three counts of making false statements to federal agents, says that he is innocent. A defense motion to dismiss, which was denied, said the government’s case had been built on accusations by Mr. Heredia that “are not true and are merely an effort to attempt to divert attention from his illicit drug dealing and the illicit drug usage by athletes.”

Mr. Graham’s lawyers have said they will expose prominent athletes who were Mr. Heredia’s clients in an attempt to discredit him. They have said they will prove him to be a tainted witness who continued to dispense drugs and who should be the one facing charges.

Mr. Heredia said he had named names to prosecutors, identifying about two dozen elite athletes as his clients in the hope of keeping his status as a federal witness rather than as a criminal target.

The federal authorities who have worked with Mr. Heredia for three years say that he is credible despite his unsavory activities, and that nothing he has told them has been shown to be untrue, said a lawyer with knowledge of the investigation who spoke anonymously because he was not authorized to discuss it.

In recent interviews with The New York Times, Mr. Heredia described how and with whom he worked, sharing copies of records that appear to link him to many of the best sprinters of the last decade. Those records include e-mail exchanges of doping regimens, canceled checks, telephone recordings, shipping records, laboratory readings of blood and urine samples, and Justice Department documents.

Among his clients, Mr. Heredia identified 12 athletes who had won a combined 26 Olympic medals and 21 world championships. Four of the 12 athletes, including Ms. Jones, had been named and barred from competition for illicit drug use. Eight of the 12 — notably, the sprinter Maurice Greene — have never been previously linked to performance-enhancing drugs.

Mr. Greene, a two-time Olympic gold medalist and a five-time world champion, has never failed a drug test.

Mr. Heredia showed The Times a copy of a bank transaction form showing a $10,000 wire transfer from a Maurice Greene to a relative of Mr. Heredia’s; two sets of blood-test lab reports with Mr. Greene’s name and age on them; and an e-mail message from a close friend and track-club teammate of Mr. Greene’s, attaching one of the lab reports and saying, “Angel, this is maurices results sorry it took so long.”

Mr. Greene did not respond to numerous requests for comment over the last two weeks. His agent and his father each said he would pass along The Times’s messages to Mr. Greene. Copies of documents Mr. Heredia showed The Times were sent to Mr. Greene’s agent, Daniel Escamilla of HSInternational, based in California. Mr. Escamilla said he forwarded them to Mr. Greene but declined to make any comment.

The teammate also did not respond to telephone and e-mail messages asking for comment.

The Justice Department has kept its focus narrow in investigations rising from the Bay Area Laboratory Co-operative, a California company raided by federal agents in 2003. The government has filed charges against only those who dealt the drugs or impeded the investigation, not the users who told the truth.

Regulators Take Notice

Even if the Graham case is settled before trial or the names of sprinters Mr. Heredia says he worked with never come out in public testimony, prosecutors are expected to pass along evidence to the United States Anti-Doping Agency, which investigates doping in sports after criminal proceedings are complete.

Travis T. Tygart, the chief executive of the antidoping agency, declined to comment about Mr. Heredia in a telephone interview Tuesday. Referring to his agency, Mr. Tygart said, “Usada continues to cooperate with the Balco investigators and will aggressively act on all reliable evidence of doping if and when received through the Balco investigation or otherwise.”

Mr. Heredia said he met with Mr. Tygart two years ago but did not reveal as many of his former clients to Mr. Tygart as he had to federal investigators.

The extent of Mr. Heredia’s disclosures were news to the International Association of Athletics Federations, track’s governing body.

“We would be very, very keen to talk to somebody who had information like that,” Chris Butler, a spokesman for I.A.A.F. antidoping programs, said in a recent telephone interview from his office in Monaco. Most of the doping suspensions last year were first investigated based on tips, which Mr. Butler said were “crucial to our testing and targeting.”

Mr. Heredia, 33, a former Mexican national discus champion, is a secretive figure on the track circuit who describes himself as a chemist, scientist and nutritionist. The son of a chemist, Mr. Heredia received an undergraduate degree in kinesiology from Texas A&M in Kingsville, records show.

He said he used family connections to pharmacies and labs in Mexico to help his business. For years, Mr. Heredia said, he helped his clients flout the rules and easily avoided detection. Substances like human growth hormone and the blood booster erythropoietin, or EPO, are still virtually impossible to detect, and “it is still easy to use testosterone” with fast-acting creams, he said.

“You combine all these things — boom! — you get amazing results,” Mr. Heredia said.

The I.A.A.F. performed 3,277 drug tests last year and barred only 10 athletes for doping. In her career, Ms. Jones passed more than 160 drug tests.

Mr. Heredia defended doping as necessary for his professional athletes to keep up with others who were taking performance enhancers or who had naturally higher hormone levels. “If you’re at the highest levels, you’ve got to do this to be competitive,” he said.

As for why he was talking publicly and without the approval of prosecutors, Mr. Heredia said he wanted to explain himself before the trial and to write books about his role in the track world, as José Canseco had done with steroids in baseball.

“I tried for years to protect them,” Mr. Heredia said of the athletes, “and at this point, I’m just doing what’s best for me.”

Decision to Testify

Mr. Heredia and his lawyer, Armando Trevino, said that prosecutors had not granted him immunity and that they still worried that he could be charged. Prosecutors offered last year to help Mr. Heredia, a Mexican citizen, with his American visa, if necessary, according to a court filing.

The three charges against Mr. Graham all involve his statements about Mr. Heredia. According to the indictment, in 2004 Mr. Graham told Jeff Novitzky, a special agent for the Internal Revenue Service, that he had never met Mr. Heredia nor had they talked on the phone after 1997. Mr. Graham also said he never received or distributed drugs from Mr. Heredia and did not send athletes to him for drugs.

Ten months after Mr. Graham’s interview with Mr. Novitzky, Mr. Heredia was called before the grand jury. Before testifying, Mr. Heredia said, he was interviewed by Mr. Novitzky, who held up a thick stack of phone records and said, “We’ve got you.” He said Mr. Novitzky gave him a choice: either cooperate and tell what you know about the underside of track and field, or face years in prison for drug trafficking.

Mr. Heredia showed The Times a photograph that he said had been taken in December 1996 in Laredo; in it, his hand is resting on Mr. Graham’s shoulder. Mr. Heredia said they stopped working together in 2000 after a financial dispute.

Mr. Graham’s lawyer, Bill Keane, declined to comment on Mr. Heredia, the photograph or the pending trial, except to say that he expected Mr. Heredia to be a government witness.

Gail Shifman, Mr. Graham’s former lawyer, described Mr. Heredia in a 2006 statement as a wrongdoer who was making “fraudulent allegations.” She wrote, “It is a sad comment that the pursuit of justice can be turned and twisted by personal vendettas and revenge.”

Mr. Heredia showed The Times e-mail messages, lab reports or financial records relating to 10 of the 12 Olympic medal winners he identified as his drug clients. The documents show that Mr. Heredia was paid by the athletes, had access to their private medical records and sent e-mail messages suggesting doping regimens, often with first-name familiarity. They are not, however, definitive proof that any of these athletes took performance-enhancing drugs.

Although most of their names are not mentioned in this article, Mr. Greene was identified because he is the most prominent athlete not previously linked to doping and was given copies of the documents Mr. Heredia provided as evidence of their working relationship.

Three of the 12 won Olympic medals in 2004, the others won theirs earlier. Mr. Heredia also identified as clients another dozen elite track stars who never won an Olympic medal.

“All these people are talented,” Mr. Heredia said. “The thing is they needed an extra boost. It’s a difference between running 10 flat all year, or 9.8 four times a year when you had to.”

Mr. Heredia told prosecutors in December 2006 and The Times recently that Mr. Greene had paid him a total of about $40,000, including the $10,000 wire transfer, for advice and steroid creams, EPO, insulin and stimulants in 2003 and 2004. Mr. Greene had already won two Olympic gold medals when Mr. Heredia said Mr. Greene first contacted him after the 2002 track season. By then, Mr. Greene had lost the title “world’s fastest man” to Tim Montgomery and was also losing races to Dwain Chambers; court records later showed that those sprinters were being helped by taking Balco drugs.

Reviewing Mr. Greene’s two blood reports for The Times, Dr. David L. Diuguid, director of hematology at Columbia University Department of Medicine, said they looked “totally normal.”

Mr. Greene, slowed by injuries in 2003, ran faster in 2004. He ran the 100 meters in 9.87 seconds — his best time in three years — for the bronze medal at the Athens Olympics. He also took a silver for anchoring the 4x100-meter relay.

Mr. Heredia said he stopped working with Mr. Greene after the Athens Games because of the expanding Balco investigation. Mr. Greene has not broken 10 seconds since then. He retired from racing in February at age 33 and was named an ambassador for the I.A.A.F.

Suspended Athletes

Of the two dozen sprinters Mr. Heredia said he worked with over the years, official track records show that seven of them have been barred for periods of two years to life for drug violations. Mr. Heredia said some took drugs that he did not recommend. Others were implicated in records seized from Balco after they switched from working with Mr. Graham and Mr. Heredia to working with Victor Conte Jr., a Balco co-founder.

Mr. Graham portrays himself as a whistle-blower because he sent a Balco syringe to investigators. But Mr. Heredia and Mr. Conte, in separate interviews, said that Mr. Graham was simply trying to put Mr. Conte out of business. Mr. Conte confirmed that he had known Mr. Heredia was supplying drugs to and advising athletes, including Ms. Jones, but he considered Mr. Heredia less sophisticated.

Some of the records Mr. Heredia showed to The Times were blunt and to the point. One e-mail message from a world indoor champion sprinter stated: “Send me some GH to my house. I am running Zurick. Let me know how much it is and I will send.” Mr. Heredia said “GH” was shorthand for growth hormone.

An e-mail message from July 2003 from Mr. Heredia to Raymond Stewart, a track coach in Texas who was a silver medalist in the 4x100 relay for Jamaica at the 1984 Olympics, described the drugs Mr. Heredia had recommended for two of Mr. Stewart’s runners. It referred to bottles of “g,” another shorthand for growth hormone, and testosterone. Reached by phone at his home, Mr. Stewart initially denied knowing Mr. Heredia. But after being provided with a copy of the 2003 message, he said that they had met. Mr. Stewart also said that he had rejected the drugs Mr. Heredia offered in the note. “We don’t do that,” Mr. Stewart said.

As Mr. Heredia waits to testify and worries he will be arrested, he still has work to keep him busy. He continues to advise foreign athletes on performance-enhancing drugs, he said, but never in the United States and no longer as a supplier.


Michael S. Schmidt and Elena Gustines contributed reporting from New York.



I often wondered why Ato defended Asafa powell so strongly. No one can explain to me how Asafa got so fast so quickly. Hard training right?

I think that for athletics to continue attracting fans this shit about amateur athlete must take a hike. I dont and didnt believe that there were "clean " top athletes including Carlita Lewis. I beleieve that Crawford and Quarrie were  the last "clean" top class 100m olympic sprinters.
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Re: Say it ain't so, ATO!!!
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2008, 04:50:02 PM »
PEG, you's ah kinda scandalist or what?


“I tried for years to protect them,” Mr. Heredia said of the athletes, “and at this point, I’m just doing what’s best for me.”


that there is the sum total of the entire article.. This Heredia fella just trying desperately to save he own tail from the impending illegal drug charges.. He go grab ah hold of anybody on de way down.

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« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2008, 05:02:58 PM »
even in crawford time i sure men was doping, dem soviet teams, one thing i know, i never goin to put my head on a block for nobody. after that balco thing i loose interest in watching track. but i not goin to call man name and i aint have evidence. although some athletes have me wondering.         
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« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2008, 05:14:32 PM »
I can't fault anyone for making that inference, to be honest, with all the scandals - even though this "say it ain't so Ato" headline is basically intended to produce a desired result. 

...and I don't know how my "defending" those who baselessly attack Asafa (or any other athlete) who I have no affiliation to nor is he in my camp, even makes any sense to anyone without an already pre-conceived notion, but like you all, I will wait for ALL the names to come out in the trial.  Even that probably won't be good enough for some, so it's not exactly a win-win.

I am sure you will be right back here with an equally good post topic to point out that nowhere was my name mentioned by anyone in the 5+ years of the Balco evidence coming out.

Anyone with a brain could probably figure already that if this man had my name on ANYTHING, it would have been out a long time ago, and if not then, certainly now - why not link the teammates and olympic 1-2 100m finishers if the evidence is there? That would be much more solid.  I have always said, we know the Americans protected their own, so in whose interest was it to protect me if I was so dirty?

Then again, it must be that diplomatic immunity I somehow have.

Last I checked no Trinis were failing any tests or being caught up in this BALCO thing, so I will let the evidence come out and be right here when it does.

I right here.....
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Re: Say it ain't so, ATO!!!
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2008, 05:27:09 PM »
I can't fault anyone for making that inference, to be honest, with all the scandals - even though this "say it ain't so Ato" headline is basically intended to produce a desired result. 

...and I don't know how my "defending" those who baselessly attack Asafa (or any other athlete) who I have no affiliation to nor is he in my camp, even makes any sense to anyone without an already pre-conceived notion, but like you all, I will wait for ALL the names to come out in the trial.  Even that probably won't be good enough for some, so it's not exactly a win-win.

I am sure you will be right back here with an equally good post topic to point out that nowhere was my name mentioned by anyone in the 5+ years of the Balco evidence coming out.

Anyone with a brain could probably figure already that if this man had my name on ANYTHING, it would have been out
 a long time ago, and if not then, certainly now - why not link the teammates and olympic 1-2 100m finishers if the evidence is there? That would be much more solid.  I have always said, we know the Americans protected their own, so in whose interest was it to protect me if I was so dirty?

Then again, it must be that diplomatic immunity I somehow have.

Last I checked no Trinis were failing any tests or being caught up in this BALCO thing, so I will let the evidence come out and be right here when it does.

I right here.....
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Re: Say it ain't so, ATO!!!
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2008, 05:39:28 PM »
I guess when Kobe raped that girl in Colorado, so did his teammate X - hey, they are on the same team right? Same coach too!

"Say it ain't so, teammate X."

Yes, that makes about the same amount of sense.
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Re: Say it ain't so, ATO!!!
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2008, 05:44:33 PM »
Mods...move this thread to "What about Track and Field" please..

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Re: Say it ain't so, ATO!!!
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2008, 05:50:35 PM »
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Re: Say it ain't so, ATO!!!
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2008, 05:52:09 PM »
seems no matter how many good things u do for d country, people still tryin to belittle yuh accomplishments     >:(
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Re: Say it ain't so, ATO!!!
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2008, 06:28:59 PM »
I cyah begin to understand how Ato name become remotely linked to this story. ???


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Re: Say it ain't so, ATO!!!
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2008, 06:43:43 PM »
I cyah begin to understand how Ato name become remotely linked to this story. ???


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Re: Say it ain't so, ATO!!!
« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2008, 06:46:44 PM »
I cyah begin to understand how Ato name become remotely linked to this story. ???

Trinis love dey bacchanal oui,,drag de man name out in de open dry so,,.....it eh even have de words TomATO or ATOmic in any paragraph to say de man read too fast and get confused
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Re: Say it ain't so, ATO!!!
« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2008, 06:49:49 PM »
Ah do ah "Control + F" and ah still aint find Ato Boldon name............All yuh jes like Lackaray yes

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Re: Say it ain't so, ATO!!!
« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2008, 06:51:27 PM »
misleading thread name ...

but as Ato say .. it had the desired result.

now it should get move to Track and Field
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Re: Say it ain't so, ATO!!!
« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2008, 07:06:41 PM »
I cyah begin to understand how Ato name become remotely linked to this story. ???


becuz he dutty  :devil: :devil:

Yes I take mih share

I does put steroids in mih coco puffs when de mornin come oui...me eh shame
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Re: Say it ain't so, ATO!!!
« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2008, 07:25:34 PM »
I guess when Kobe raped that girl in Colorado, so did his teammate X - hey, they are on the same team right? Same coach too!

"Say it ain't so, teammate X."

Yes, that makes about the same amount of sense.
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Re: Say it ain't so, ATO!!!
« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2008, 07:59:23 PM »
sTEUPSSSSSPPPPSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS  How the hell men reach there ,when ato first post this last nite ,the first thing I think ,he will get back those gold medal from Greene and Ato get his rightfull place in history .

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Re: Say it ain't so, ATO!!!
« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2008, 08:28:13 PM »
MOVE TO TRACK AND FIELD  SECTION

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Re: Say it ain't so, ATO!!!
« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2008, 08:48:59 PM »
MOVE TO TRACK AND FIELD  SECTION
Why you had to take time out to say that .You doh like ppl criticise your treads ,put you quick to do it ,tallman himself post in it . Suppose somebody tell u to..... Move  yours to 2005 .

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Re: Say it ain't so, ATO!!!
« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2008, 09:02:08 PM »
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Why you had to take time out to say that .You doh like ppl criticise your treads ,put you quick to do it ,tallman himself post in it . Suppose somebody tell u to..... Move  yours to 2005 .
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Re: Say it ain't so, ATO!!!
« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2008, 12:17:12 AM »
MOVE TO TRACK AND FIELD  SECTION
Why you had to take time out to say that .You doh like ppl criticise your treads ,put you quick to do it ,tallman himself post in it . Suppose somebody tell u to..... Move  yours to 2005 .
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Re: Say it ain't so, ATO!!!
« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2008, 06:08:46 AM »
I taking this story with a pinch of salt until  see any documented proof that ATO did anything wrong I backing him.....allyuh mischievous trini

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Re: Say it ain't so, ATO!!!
« Reply #26 on: April 14, 2008, 07:32:16 AM »
Peg real like shit oui...de man used to castigate me for bad mouthing Jack Warner, til he come and start to do de same heself.

And now he come like ah Tobago evening news with old talk and supposition

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« Reply #27 on: April 14, 2008, 09:05:45 AM »

Why you had to take time out to say that .You doh like ppl criticise your treads ,put you quick to do it ,tallman himself post in it . Suppose somebody tell u to..... Move  yours to 2005 .
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Re: Say it ain't so, ATO!!!
« Reply #28 on: April 14, 2008, 12:53:02 PM »
Wha is dis Peg guy's motive here? Dat is what I want to know?

I bet he Jamaican.

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Re: Say it ain't so, ATO!!!
« Reply #29 on: April 14, 2008, 01:00:06 PM »
Wha is dis Peg guy's motive here? Dat is what I want to know?

I bet he Jamaican.

How the hell you get dat he is Jakan?

I am Jamaican and I am big time in Ato corner. I can tell you that Ato was popular among the Jakan on the circuit as well!

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