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« Reply #30 on: April 23, 2008, 07:26:28 PM »
Didn't he come to Trinidad recently to do a series of UWI readings and lectures for some schoolchildren? I remember he was of a more mellow nature and was talking about the need to forget any sense of African and Indian and progress instead as Trinidadian

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« Reply #31 on: April 23, 2008, 07:28:45 PM »
Love him or hate him, he is a mad Trini GENIUS!!!!

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« Reply #32 on: April 23, 2008, 07:35:33 PM »
genius?  ???

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« Reply #33 on: April 23, 2008, 07:52:06 PM »
A fine Englishman indeed.

http://www.usp.nus.edu.sg/post/caribbean/naipaul/meena.html

Naipaul is kind of like Mike Tyson....great at one specific thing, but an utter failure as a human being. Like most people possesed of a single standout talent he had neither the integrity nor intelligence to overcome the damning consequences of that single talent.
...except I'd hardly say that his apparent personality defects are a consequence of his talent.

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« Reply #34 on: April 23, 2008, 07:53:06 PM »
Love him or hate him, he is a mad Trini GENIUS!!!!

"...you spit on your people
your people applaud"




QM there's no denying his genius.

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« Reply #35 on: April 23, 2008, 08:06:19 PM »
on the contrary...his work is appreciated differently by different people. It is subject to personal preferences..

I read his work, I enjoy it. I would read more, but I would not place genius on it. So while I don't deny it, I question the title. To me, there are fewer geniuses than publicly lauded. And more unknown...

...just my 2 cents TT

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« Reply #36 on: April 23, 2008, 08:08:56 PM »
on the contrary...his work is appreciated differently by different people. It is subject to personal preferences..

I read his work, I enjoy it. I would read more, but I would not place genius on it. So while I don't deny it, I question the title..
From a completely objective standpoint, and as one schooled in the art (not that it qualifies me more than others)...I can honestly say that one may disagree with the content and characterizations, but one absolutely cannot quibble with the craft.  The label is hardly subjective...but your opinion is yours.

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« Reply #37 on: April 23, 2008, 08:13:22 PM »
More from the repulsive genius..

"ON receiving the Nobel Prize for Literature this year, V.S. Naipaul has responded by paying tribute to England, "(his) home", and India, "the home of (his) ancestors". Oddly enough, Trinidad does not merit a mention in Naipaul's tribute - though he was born and grew up in Trinidad, and though it is the home of his most admired early works such as The Mystic Masseur, A House for Mr Biswas and Miguel Street. Or perhaps it is not so odd, considering that Naipaul has written, "I knew Trinidad to be unimportant, uncreative, cynical... (with)... an indifference to virtue as well as vice." - Source


I am not much for regrets...but I thoroughly regret the sense of pride, the euphoria I naively felt upon hearing word of his being awarded the Nobel Prize back in 2001.  Upon reading the interview with him in The Washington Post that day my emotions were properly put in perspective by his apathy for Trinidad...but I never knew it was this bad. 

Apathy would be charitable.
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« Reply #38 on: April 23, 2008, 08:49:03 PM »
Curlish, mewling asshole that he is..I hate he damn ass..I despise him.  He turn he back on his home land for nutten.  Trinidad didn't bull him, is one ah he family members.  He claims to be English and then Indian, so f**k he, why we care about this old mangy f**k tard?

I eh go lie, I did enjoy his books in secondary schools, de same ones dey make we read becasue it was about life in T&T from a T&T born author, but de man is ah asshole.

This is how he should describe he life.

1.  Asshole first
2. Asshole second
3....and assshole third.
4.  I thank England for making me into a grade A asshole
5.  And my ancestors, and relatives, especially the one who bull meh for grooming me and making me into a more complete asshole.

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« Reply #39 on: April 23, 2008, 10:28:08 PM »
If Naipaul that bad, what about Stephen Mallory?

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« Reply #40 on: April 23, 2008, 10:37:03 PM »
If Naipaul that bad, what about Stephen Mallory?

I fail to see the comparison.  At least Mallory had the good graces not to bad talk the land of his birth...and he actually spent less time on Trini soil than that turncoat bastard.

But feel free to create he own thread fuh him all the same...
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« Reply #41 on: April 23, 2008, 10:49:03 PM »
Trinidad wasnt even considered ah country when stephen mallory was aorund.

de man wasnt ah trini he was ah american.

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« Reply #42 on: April 23, 2008, 10:54:40 PM »
Trinidad wasnt even considered ah country when stephen mallory was aorund.

de man wasnt ah trini he was ah american.

Deeks just trying tuh deflect attention away from de chinks in he hero armor.

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« Reply #43 on: April 23, 2008, 11:59:50 PM »
Curlish, mewling asshole that he is..I hate he damn ass..I despise him.  He turn he back on his home land for nutten.  Trinidad didn't bull him, is one ah he family members.  He claims to be English and then Indian, so f**k he, why we care about this old mangy f**k tard?

I eh go lie, I did enjoy his books in secondary schools, de same ones dey make we read becasue it was about life in T&T from a T&T born author, but de man is ah asshole.

This is how he should describe he life.

1.  Asshole first
2. Asshole second
3....and assshole third.
4.  I thank England for making me into a grade A asshole
5.  And my ancestors, and relatives, especially the one who bull meh for grooming me and making me into a more complete asshole.


Naipaul for T&T senior football coach!!!

Ok TT who yuh hate de wuss....Wim or Naipaul?
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« Reply #44 on: April 24, 2008, 05:49:32 AM »
Curlish, mewling asshole that he is..I hate he damn ass..I despise him.  He turn he back on his home land for nutten.  Trinidad didn't bull him, is one ah he family members.  He claims to be English and then Indian, so f**k he, why we care about this old mangy f**k tard?

I eh go lie, I did enjoy his books in secondary schools, de same ones dey make we read becasue it was about life in T&T from a T&T born author, but de man is ah asshole.

This is how he should describe he life.

1.  Asshole first
2. Asshole second
3....and assshole third.
4.  I thank England for making me into a grade A asshole
5.  And my ancestors, and relatives, especially the one who bull meh for grooming me and making me into a more complete asshole.


Naipaul for T&T senior football coach!!!

Ok TT who yuh hate de wuss....Wim or Naipaul?


wim dutch born, he come here and pull ah little con game, make some change get ketch and ride out.

Wha is Naipaul story?

he born here, he is ah f**king trini, yet he claim england and India..shows the f**king lack of character by this man.  And he so indian yet he hate trinidad some would say because he suffer abuse here at the hands of a relative..ah bet yuh de relative was indian..why he also hate indians?

de man is ah nasty c**t...f**k he I woulda withdraw every national honour and ban he from entering T&T.

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« Reply #45 on: April 24, 2008, 07:43:51 AM »
on the contrary...his work is appreciated differently by different people. It is subject to personal preferences..

I read his work, I enjoy it. I would read more, but I would not place genius on it. So while I don't deny it, I question the title..
From a completely objective standpoint, and as one schooled in the art (not that it qualifies me more than others)...I can honestly say that one may disagree with the content and characterizations, but one absolutely cannot quibble with the craft.  The label is hardly subjective...but your opinion is yours.

not to belabour the point...but once again I beg to differ.
The arts are subjective. That, to me, is what makes it an art - subject only to the senses which are as yet, unquantifiable. I do quibble with the idea of objective 'craft' - what then is the definition of craft? One craftsman may bring you to tears with his rendition while another, in the same genre, may leave you unaffected. It has the je ne sais quoi for you but not for me. I think that is the beauty in art. How many times have we said "I don't know why, but I like that..."? While someone else looks at it and steupse?

My opinion is mine yes, of course, it cannot be otherwise. I learned that I can only present it, I cannot force it on others. It's an art... :D

Good seque away from Naipaul...he frets me.

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« Reply #46 on: April 24, 2008, 08:24:48 AM »
Then the UNC was vex how de National Library wasn't name after him.

Leh Britain andI ndia buil' library fuh him.

I hope he didn't get dah Trinity cross after he made those comments eh.
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« Reply #47 on: April 24, 2008, 10:19:03 AM »
Rumour has it the V.S. Naipaul Society meets once annually at varying obscure locations, on Naipaul's birthday, to pay homage to Naipaul's preserved depiction of Trinidad as colony and island-village-outpost-backwater.

Membership in the society is not prized and is thought to be confined to Hat's descendants resident on Miguel Street and a handful of ailing contemporaries known as the Bogarts. The latter are nostalgic about what never was, and remain bitter about the nation's 1977 transition to republicanism. Each openly longed to acquire the knighthood that VS casually attained and which has evaded them due to constitutional and historical circumstance. To a man they despise Sir Ellis and are jealously mystified as to why Vidia Surajprasad does not use the honorific. They would kill for it, and may have.

Meanwhile, Hat's descendants wonder what the fuss is about. They have never met VS. And, although they enjoy the feasts served on these occasions, they have tired of the ordeal to which the old men subject them. Credible authority has it conversation between the groups is restricted to: 'What happening there, Bogart?' ... 'What happening there, Hat?'

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« Reply #48 on: April 24, 2008, 10:22:52 AM »
Rumour has it the V.S. Naipaul Society meets once annually at varying obscure locations, on Naipaul's birthday, to pay homage to Naipaul's preserved depiction of Trinidad as colony and island-village-outpost-backwater.

Membership in the society is not prized and is thought to be confined to Hat's descendants resident on Miguel Street and a handful of ailing contemporaries known as the Bogarts. The latter are nostalgic about what never was, and remain bitter about the nation's 1977 transition to republicanism. Each openly longed to acquire the knighthood that VS casually attained and which has evaded them due to constitutional and historical circumstance. To a man they despise Sir Ellis and are jealously mystified as to why Vidia Surajprasad does not use the honorific. They would kill for it, and may have.

Meanwhile, Hat's descendants wonder what the fuss is about. They have never met VS. And, although they enjoy the feasts served on these occasions, they have tired of the ordeal to which the old men subject them. Credible authority has it conversation between the groups is restricted to: 'What happening there, Bogart?' ... 'What happening there, Hat?'

:P

wey dey does hold dese feasts?  In de Dharma Saba (sp)?

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« Reply #49 on: April 24, 2008, 07:04:41 PM »
Aye Asylumseeker,
                           That part about TT is a republic is ah flicking joke. We still have to subject ourselve to the Privy Council. Naipaul was right we are Mimic men. When Eric had the opportunity to make us a real republic, he chose to  hold on to the Queen's coat-tail. We still scared to swim in the deep as the saying goes.

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« Reply #50 on: April 24, 2008, 07:44:06 PM »
Aye Asylumseeker,
                           That part about TT is a republic is ah flicking joke. We still have to subject ourselve to the Privy Council. Naipaul was right we are Mimic men. When Eric had the opportunity to make us a real republic, he chose to  hold on to the Queen's coat-tail. We still scared to swim in the deep as the saying goes.

Actually Eric did a good job with the whole republic thing.  Had we divorced the crown completly without the necessary infrastructure, we would have been in a truely dark place.

Mimic men?  not really, it is called laying the foundation...setting a legacy.


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« Reply #51 on: April 24, 2008, 09:12:48 PM »
Aye Asylumseeker,
                           That part about TT is a republic is ah flicking joke. We still have to subject ourselve to the Privy Council. Naipaul was right we are Mimic men. When Eric had the opportunity to make us a real republic, he chose to  hold on to the Queen's coat-tail. We still scared to swim in the deep as the saying goes.

Deeks we are a young republic with a growing judiciary...as it stands we need need to firm up our appellate system and until that point comes we have chosen to be guided by the Privy Council.  By no means are we subject to their rulings...if you recall they ruled in favor of the Dole Chadee gang and we still executed them.  So that really has nothing to do with us being a republic or not.

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« Reply #52 on: April 24, 2008, 11:24:01 PM »
A day after her funeral, Naipaul "welcomed into his home" a Pakistani journalist, Nadira Khannum Alvi, and married her two months later, the newspaper reported.

Lord he eh easy

She eh easy either ...

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« Reply #53 on: April 25, 2008, 08:42:34 AM »
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For me, there's no hate for Naipaul. I don't know the man and can't hate someone I do not know. It's hard enough for me to hate people I do know...

I'm sure you use it figuratively...but there isn't a single person on God's green earth that I 'hate'.

Yes, it was figurative.

Apparently the only person in the thread who claiming to literally hate him is truetrini (correct me if I wrong) and he seem to have his reason. I not knocking anybody opinion, i ent have no soft spot for naipaul.

I wasn't looking for any excuses for his behaviour either, more trying to understand where his apparent 'hate' of a place that, according to him had such little impact on who he grew up, to be could come from.

I personally would be ready to subscribe to the mad genius theory. From what I reading in the snippets of the bio this 'irrational' hatred (assuming that the abuse has nothing to do with it) is not the only screw he have loose up in the membrane.

That said, nobody ent paying me to psychoanalyse him so I go leave it at that.

I agree 100% with the person who say they prefer Selvon though. If it wasn't for Miguel Street I probably wouldn't know who V.S. was before he get his prize.
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« Reply #54 on: April 25, 2008, 11:59:44 AM »
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For me, there's no hate for Naipaul. I don't know the man and can't hate someone I do not know. It's hard enough for me to hate people I do know...

I'm sure you use it figuratively...but there isn't a single person on God's green earth that I 'hate'.

Yes, it was figurative.

Apparently the only person in the thread who claiming to literally hate him is truetrini (correct me if I wrong) and he seem to have his reason. I not knocking anybody opinion, i ent have no soft spot for naipaul.

I wasn't looking for any excuses for his behaviour either, more trying to understand where his apparent 'hate' of a place that, according to him had such little impact on who he grew up, to be could come from.

I personally would be ready to subscribe to the mad genius theory. From what I reading in the snippets of the bio this 'irrational' hatred (assuming that the abuse has nothing to do with it) is not the only screw he have loose up in the membrane.

That said, nobody ent paying me to psychoanalyse him so I go leave it at that.

I agree 100% with the person who say they prefer Selvon though. If it wasn't for Miguel Street I probably wouldn't know who V.S. was before he get his prize.
Something turn in me de day I read that article on him after that Nobel win.  It's no exaggeration to say that Naipaul had an influence on me as a young writer, his gift to me was as apparent as the need for oxygen...and felt just as refreshing when I first read Miguel Street in Form 1 (2?).  I could definitely understand that having lived in england for so long that has become both his physical and emotional home.  But I saw nothing in his early writings to betray anything in his sentiments about Trinidad, so wretchedly negative as he has come to express in his later years.  My shock was eclipsed only by my disappointment in him.

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« Reply #55 on: April 25, 2008, 12:23:40 PM »
In early 2007, V.S Naipaul made a long-awaited return to his homeland of Trinidad. He urged citizens to shrug off the notions of "Indian" and "African" and to concentrate on being "Trinidadian". He was warmly received by students and intellectuals alike and it seems, finally, that he has come to some form of closure with Trinidad.

The things that come out sometime.

Has anyone read Mr Naipaul books that are not set in Trinidad.
I never read Miguel street, but I did read a House for Mr. Biswas and Mystic Masseur. I truly enjoyed these two books, but i enjoyed them because of their familiarity and nostalgia it invoked. I am not sure if his other books would invoke the same feeling.
 

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« Reply #56 on: April 25, 2008, 12:38:25 PM »
In early 2007, V.S Naipaul made a long-awaited return to his homeland of Trinidad. He urged citizens to shrug off the notions of "Indian" and "African" and to concentrate on being "Trinidadian". He was warmly received by students and intellectuals alike and it seems, finally, that he has come to some form of closure with Trinidad.

The things that come out sometime.

Has anyone read Mr Naipaul books that are not set in Trinidad.
I never read Miguel street, but I did read a House for Mr. Biswas and Mystic Masseur. I truly enjoyed these two books, but i enjoyed them because of their familiarity and nostalgia it invoked. I am not sure if his other books would invoke the same feeling.


ummm no eh!

the in-person accounts from his visit to Trinidad is that he came across as extremely condescending and dismissive of the same 'students and intellectuals alike' mentioned above, refusing to answer questions and labelling them as trivial.

Here is an account from a high school student who attended that event:

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_opinion?id=161135441
         

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« Reply #57 on: April 25, 2008, 12:44:07 PM »
In early 2007, V.S Naipaul made a long-awaited return to his homeland of Trinidad. He urged citizens to shrug off the notions of "Indian" and "African" and to concentrate on being "Trinidadian". He was warmly received by students and intellectuals alike and it seems, finally, that he has come to some form of closure with Trinidad.

The things that come out sometime.

Has anyone read Mr Naipaul books that are not set in Trinidad.
I never read Miguel street, but I did read a House for Mr. Biswas and Mystic Masseur. I truly enjoyed these two books, but i enjoyed them because of their familiarity and nostalgia it invoked. I am not sure if his other books would invoke the same feeling.


ummm no eh!

the in-person accounts from his visit to Trinidad is that he came across as extremely condescending and dismissive of the same 'students and intellectuals alike' mentioned above, refusing to answer questions and labelling them as trivial.

Here is an account from a high school student who attended that event:

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_opinion?id=161135441


I quite familar with the was VS behaved on his visit to trini, but my quote was off on posted in wikipedia.
 

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« Reply #58 on: April 25, 2008, 01:01:26 PM »
Naipaul get raped and he is now a boorish rube who chooses to intrude on our peace and serenity.

Hey Vidia (is that really a man name?) how about this as a piece ah literature?

"I hope yuh grow some unsightly warts on thy unsighly countenance, as thou art naught but a cod sniffing canker flower, on the ass of all of Trinidad!"

f**k he

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« Reply #59 on: April 25, 2008, 02:13:44 PM »
As de saying goes, Naipaul doh give a rat's ass. He could care less.

Ah siddung literally RIGHT IN FRONT de man, his wife, and his son and watch dem dash wey a series of questions from (based on de locale) what had to have been a pretty astute audience. Plus, many were gathered for HIS booksigning. It struck me as being inappropriate. So ah could well imagine how dismisive he may have been of secondary schoolers.

[Ah find these letters to the editor ought to be attributed. Whaiz dis 'high school student'  thing .. sometimes yuh even seeing things like ... "Bitter in Belmont" ... "Disturbed in Diego" ... anyhow, diff'rent topic. Iz time de express realize it's a national newspaper and not some bachannalist rag.]

 
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