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Re: I will not go to the BL stadium in Tarouba
« Reply #60 on: March 31, 2009, 10:59:00 PM »

Tallman break off a WAR thread for these fellahs nah   :devil:

I think it had some more news on this issue today in Parliament or the Commission or something....might be in tonights news and tomorrow's paper.

Nah man War?  Even I have mih limits... chirren, de infirmed and small animals are off limits.


West Coast ah find yuh real conspicuous by yuh absence doh... yuh all over de facking board but avoiding dis thread like ah plague.  If yuh mouth big enough to throw words fuh man yuh should be able to man up and say it directly to... not so?

So come call ah name nah man, wha'ppen yuh frighten or wha?

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Re: I will not go to the BL stadium in Tarouba
« Reply #61 on: April 01, 2009, 04:29:23 AM »
<Cana will be periodically lookin' ein dis thread during the course of the day>

Dis morning I come ein here to read bout dey latest of dey Stadium, only to read dis.  Nah ah peeping in here during dey course of dey day. :devil:


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Re: I will not go to the BL stadium in Tarouba
« Reply #62 on: April 01, 2009, 06:17:46 AM »
come westcoast...

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Re: I will not go to the BL stadium in Tarouba
« Reply #63 on: April 01, 2009, 06:49:09 AM »
Unbelievable
By Andre Bagoo Wednesday, April 1 2009
Trinidad & Tobago Newsday




“UNBELIEVABLE”, “terrible” and “totally impracticable”. That was how engineer Arun Buch described the design for the $885 million Brian Lara Stadium in Tarouba yesterday as he appeared as an independent expert witness before the Uff Commission of Inquiry into Udecott and the construction sector.

Buch, a civil engineer who specialises in structural engineering, criticised the stadium project saying it contained a “high level of over-design”.

“I have never seen anything like this...there was design, over-design and then some,” he said. “What was specified....way back in 2005 was totally impractical to build. It was unbelievable as to how anybody could have offered that as a practical solution to how you construct this.”

The engineer said there were major defects in the design for the project, which was done mainly by the firm of Turner Alpha Limited. He argued that work should never have been allowed to commence before these defects were sorted out. For example, he noted that key issues in the design of columns and joints on the project had not been worked out before the award of contracts.

“The joints and these humongous columns were not sorted out but contracts were awarded with those things still hanging and you can see what has happened...These contracts were awarded with all the pregnant problems,” Buch said, as he used a ruler to point to slides placed on display on a projector in the second floor courtroom of the Winsure Building, Port-of-Spain. “You can see the scale of the joints. This is the best that the contractor could design. But that is horrible. That really is terrible but that is what ended up being built.

“When one examines this...I don’t know what to say. This is one of the most humongous things I’ve ever seen for a building like this,” he said referring to a picture of a column at the site.

He revealed the structure of the stadium includes a 1,400-tonne steel roof. According to Buch the roof has a per square metre weight of 24 pounds, comparable to the weight of a highway- overpass.

“I’ve designed overpasses with a weight of 25 pounds per square metre but it’s a roof we are talking about!” he said. Overall, he said, the project has consumed 292 kilogrammes of steel per square metre. In contrast, the Ato Boldon Stadium in Couva, he said, used 80 kilogrammes per square metre. “That is more than twice the amount of steel and nobody blew a whistle,” he lamented.

Yet, he placed the blame for this at the hands of project managers/designers Turner Alpha Limited. He noted while Turner Alpha had in August 2006 recommended the project’s main builder Hafeez Karamth Limited (HKL) be fired, this should have come earlier since it was clear HKL could not have completed the convoluted designs by March 2007. He said Udecott was not at fault in not intervening in the design process saying, “Udecott is not required to know all these things.”

Buch also said there were problems with the handling of the soil at the site of the stadium. These problems he said, should have been anticipated. “That’s the first thing one should have seen,” he said, noting the stadium is being built in “sapatay” or highly absorbent clay soils which dominate the sedimentary landscape of south Trinidad. This piqued the attention of commissioner Israel Khan SC, who noted, “they (Turner Alpha) did not know about sapatay, but any gardener would be able to tell you about that. That would have avoided millions of dollars being spent and they did not even need a consultant; a gardener could have said that.”

Buch also criticised the fact that the project was built on a hilly terrain and this caused millions of dollars worth of excavation and exacerbated the soil problems.

“Somebody tried to force the stadium into the hill rather than get away from the hill,” he said. Buch, 67, was born in India but has lived and worked in Trinidad for the last three decades. He is the founder of Arun Buch and Associates. Among the projects he has worked on as structural engineer are: the Eric Williams Financial Complex, the Ato Boldon Stadium, the Manny Ramjohn Stadium in Marabella and Tobago Plantations in Lowlands, Tobago (now owned by Vanguard Holdings Limited).

Buch is the author of a Udecott report on the Brian Lara Stadium. That report has been kept confidential because it is at the heart of a legal dispute. However the report–which was read by the commissioners in the inquiry under strict conditions–triggered them to invite Buch to give expert advice on the project.

He has also been mandated by the commissioners to produce an independent report into two other Udecott projects.






Lara stadium on wrong spot—engineer
RICHARD LORD | 8:25 PM
Trinidad Guardian
Published: March 31st, 2009


Consulting Engineer Arun Bush says a location close to the Mannie Ramjohn Stadium in Marabella would have been better to construct the Brian Lara Cricket Stadium. He said if that venue was chosen many of the problems with the soil at the chosen Tarouba site would not have arisen. He said the facility would have cost less than $300 million.
He said it was almost impossible for the chosen contractor Hafeez Karamath Ltd to have met the deadline to construct the facility in time for Cricket World Cup in 2007. Bush said this while making a slide presentation at the Commission of Enquiry into the Construction Sector at the Winsure Building, Richmond Street, Port-of-Spain, yesterday.
He said the contract for the multi-million project “is absolutely silent in terms of who is responsible for the co-ordination of this contract.” Bush added that there was “too much to-ing and fro-ing about the project. The second round of hearings is expected to end on Friday, commission chairman John Uff said yesterday. It continues this morning.
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Re: I will not go to the BL stadium in Tarouba
« Reply #64 on: April 01, 2009, 04:54:27 PM »
Khan: A gardener would know better

Wednesday, April 1st 2009
 
 
 Senior Counsel Israel Khan says that anyone who understands local soil conditions, even a gardener, could have told the designers of the Brian Lara Cricket Academy that building it into a hill at Tarouba was a bad idea.

"And that would have avoided millions of dollars being spent, and they need a consultant; a gardener could have said that," Khan said.

He did so during a presentation on the Brian Lara Cricket Academy by construction consultant Arun Buch, during yesterday's public hearing of the Commission of Enquiry into the Urban Development Corporation of Trinidad and Tobago (UDeCOTT) and the construction sector.

While Buch said the problem with the project, which now has construction costs of more than $600 million, was with the preparation of the contract, he acknowledged the excavation of the hill at the Tarouba site contributed to an escalation in cost.

He said had HOK, the designers hired by Turner Alpha Ltd consulted with two local construction consultants "they had named", they would have "gotten some answers".

Buch had defended HOK's track record, saying they had built stadia around the world.

The enquiry's chairman, Prof John Uff, said yesterday that he has made a proposal to the Office of the Prime Minster that Scottish forensic engineer Gerry McCaffrey "should be authorised to produce his final response" on the Brian Lara Stadium, in light of a report by UDeCOTT chief financial officer Safyia Noel that mistakes were made,

"Whether he will be authorised to do that we don't know," Uff said.
 
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Re: I will not go to the BL stadium in Tarouba
« Reply #65 on: April 01, 2009, 05:10:21 PM »
as dey saying goes, monkey know what tree to climb.







ah note to dey founders and dem, it kinda hard to view dey forum via ah iphone.... ah juss saying eh  :devil:
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Re: I will not go to the BL stadium in Tarouba
« Reply #66 on: April 03, 2009, 09:51:48 PM »
Unbelievable



Lara stadium on wrong spot—engineer

RICHARD LORD | 8:25 PM
Trinidad Guardian
Published: March 31st, 2009
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Consulting Engineer Arun Bush says a location close to the Mannie Ramjohn Stadium in Marabella would have been better to construct the Brian Lara Cricket Stadium. He said if that venue was chosen many of the problems with the soil at the chosen Tarouba site would not have arisen. He said the facility would have cost less than $300 million.
He said it was almost impossible for the chosen contractor Hafeez Karamath Ltd to have met the deadline to construct the facility in time for Cricket World Cup in 2007. Bush said this while making a slide presentation at the Commission of Enquiry into the Construction Sector at the Winsure Building, Richmond Street, Port-of-Spain, yesterday.
He said the contract for the multi-million project “is absolutely silent in terms of who is responsible for the co-ordination of this contract.” Bush added that there was “too much to-ing and fro-ing about the project. The second round of hearings is expected to end on Friday, commission chairman John Uff said yesterday. It continues this morning.


I hear that wrong spot version just now. might well bruk down the whole place and turn is a national garbage dump

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Re: I will not go to the BL stadium in Tarouba
« Reply #67 on: May 07, 2009, 05:44:19 PM »
Manning says now it can be finished in 4 months  :o

PM: Tarouba stadium in four months

By SEAN DOUGLAS Thursday, May 7 2009


PRIME Minister Patrick Manning told Newsday the Brian Lara Stadium at Tarouba is due to be finished in four months time. Speaking after a news conference following a tour of the Academy of Performing Arts, Port-of-Spain, Manning said he visited the Tarouba site yesterday morning and effused to Newsday, “That’s next!”.

Earlier, Manning told reporters he yesterday met Commonwealth Secretary General Kamalesh Sharma to discuss November’s Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting (CHOGM) in Port-of-Spain. “Things are very largely on track,” he said.

Saying lessons from the Fifth Summit of the Americas would now be applied, he said, “I expect the CHOGM to be even better”. He said the CHOGM opening ceremony would be held at the academy.

Manning hoped that after people see the Academy for Performing Arts, the Port-of-Spain Waterfront Complex and the new Interchange on the Churchill Roosevelt Highway, they would better be able to understand Government’s vision for a developed nation.

Udecott head Calder Hart, said it would be ready in another three or four months, having earlier told Newsday its construction would be finished by September after which practice concerts would be held in October.

Shanghai Construction Group (TT) head, Michael Zhang, said the academy is 75 percent complete. Manning said the projected final cost is the same as the initial cost of US$60 million. He said it is a design-build contract, so that the cost only rises if the design is changed. Manning hailed project manager, Mr Shi, as “world class”. Manning denied the global recession would harm the project which he said is financed by a soft loan from the Chinese Government at just two percent interest and with a five year moratorium.

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Re: I will not go to the BL stadium in Tarouba
« Reply #68 on: May 07, 2009, 06:39:58 PM »
so get a new contractor and finish the thing. it have my back yard looking like hiroshima

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Re: I will not go to the BL stadium in Tarouba
« Reply #69 on: May 07, 2009, 06:56:24 PM »
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Re: I will not go to the BL stadium in Tarouba
« Reply #70 on: May 08, 2009, 03:10:56 PM »
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Re: I will not go to the BL stadium in Tarouba
« Reply #71 on: May 08, 2009, 06:13:48 PM »
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