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STOP PLAYING - Latapy advised to concentrate on coaching.
« on: April 10, 2009, 04:36:52 AM »
Latapy advised to concentrate on coaching.
By: Ian Prescott (T&T Express).


STOP PLAYING

A lot of people want to see Russell Latapy do well as Trinidad and Tobago head coach, but not everyone is convinced it was the right time to appoint him to the position in the wake of Wednesday's resignation of Colombian Francisco Maturana.

And Latapy's former teammates Anthony Rougier, Brian Williams and Clayton Morris all agreed unanimously that he has to give up playing and concentrate on his new coaching role, while Everald "Gally" Cummings, who coached Latapy on the 1989 T&T Strike Squad, welcomed his appointment.

Cummings said "removing" Maturana in the midst of a World Cup qualifying campaign was normal and that Mexico had fired Sven-Goran Eriksson last week.

"This is the first promise I know the TTFF (Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation) to ever keep because they promised Russell the position under (Leo) Beenhakker," said Cummings, referring to T&T's head coach at the 2006 World Cup.

"I don't know Russell as a coach, but he must have picked up some knowledge considering the level of football he played. I would hope that with the help of the players he would do the job," he added.

"By the way, it's ironic that when these foreign coaches (Maturana) are released we say they resign, but when Gally Cummings get it, they say he was fired."

Rougier agreed that Latapy will know the players better than a foreign coach, but also believes the appointment is a major change that may have come too soon for his former teammate.

Known for his straightforward manner, Rougier is also unsure what leadership qualities "Latas" brings to the Soca Warriors.

Thirty-eight-year-old Rougier, a former national captain, played with Latapy since 1987 with Trintoc. They also lined up together on the national team, including the 2002 World Cup qualifying campaign under Englishman Ian Porterfield.

While wishing his former teammate success, Rougier felt it was a very big job.

"Russell and (T&T captain) Dwight Yorke are in a position where they can bring their experience to the Trinidad and Tobago team and also put forward a vision of how they would want to see Trinidad and Tobago play," said Rougier.

"The problem I have is that when they were players their example off the field was not professional. Now they will have to tell these players, for whom they would have been mentors, not to do the same things they were doing.

"Russell was also part of the team under Maturana as the assistant coach while the team was not playing well. Therefore, I am not sure what new he is bringing to the team. I have gone to training sessions and the team was flat," stated Rougier.

"Not because you were a great player automatically means you will be a great coach. The last time we brought in Leo Beenhakker to save the campaign he brought a lot of structure to the football. We were losing some and were not beating people 5-0, but there was a lot of structure.

"I think Russell now has to concentrate on coaching and not playing. He also needs to put people around him who will assist in bringing structure to the team because that is what we do not have at the moment."

And Williams, right back on the Strike Squad and now assistant coach at T&T Pro League club W Connection, is begging for support for Latapy, who he also says needs to be strong on team discipline.

"It always concerns me about our approach and our preparation when it come to World Cup qualifying. We are always looking for a quick fix. We always move with this kind of desperation," Williams declared.

"But I want to wish Russell all the best in his new appointment. We have to rally around Russell, although it is clear that he is only now beginng his coaching career and is a relative rookie.

"I do not know that Russell was at anytime in any major coaching or administrative position and we may not enjoy the success we did under Mr Beenhakker, who came in at this same stage and saved the campaign.

"And if that turns out to be the case, we will still have to back Russell and begin immediately to prepare for 2014."

Morris skippered Latapy during his days with the Strike Squad some 20 years ago and considers the "Little Magician" a personal friend. But he too has his reservations.

"Yes, the players will respect Latapy for what he has done on the field. But in terms of leadership qualities Russell is not one who players generally would be expected to emulate," said Morris.

"We have to also look at how team preparation will change...I have never been pleased with the team preparation. We usually start preparing the locally-based players two weeks before a match and we get the foreign-based a week before-five days is not enough time to prepare a team for World Cup qualifying.

"I know Russell personally and have a lot of love for him, but this appointment shows that our football has not grown. Mr Beenhakker came in and rescued the campaign, but three years later our football is in the same mess," stated Morris.

"We are really guessing. What are we expecting from this? Are we expecting to save the campaign again, while our football continues to deteriorate? Yes, we have a new coach, but with what our players are lacking at the moment, I can't see them drastically turning around the campaign."
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Re: Latapy advised to concentrate on coaching.
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2009, 06:06:28 AM »
Well ah guess they do all de bashing this time.
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Re: Latapy advised to concentrate on coaching.
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2009, 07:27:13 AM »
but they make plenty sense though. especially the part about latapy not being the consumate pro as a player and will be demanding the same from his players. having said that, i hope latas do great things with this team, and even if the results dont go his way i hope the admin will keep him around the national team set up for a long time. :beermug:
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Re: Latapy advised to concentrate on coaching.
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2009, 07:33:03 AM »
With the exception of Brian them other 2 jokers come off as haters

Hear nah for Latas to succeed he will need all the help he can muster,from the administration players supporters and not forgetting the waggonist and all those who say they love the Warriors

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Re: Latapy advised to concentrate on coaching.
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2009, 07:40:59 AM »
Why Gally Cummings does always have to sound so bitter!!??

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Re: Latapy advised to concentrate on coaching.
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2009, 07:44:51 AM »
Why Gally Cummings does always have to sound so bitter!!??
in his opinion he got hurt real bad......doing his best for his country and then..........well you know wha.......right
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Re: Latapy advised to concentrate on coaching.
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2009, 08:15:34 AM »
Why Gally Cummings does always have to sound so bitter!!??



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Re: Latapy advised to concentrate on coaching.
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2009, 08:17:18 AM »
Latapy advised to concentrate on coaching.
By: Ian Prescott (T&T Express).


STOP PLAYING

A lot of people want to see Russell Latapy do well as Trinidad and Tobago head coach, but not everyone is convinced it was the right time to appoint him to the position in the wake of Wednesday's resignation of Colombian Francisco Maturana.

And Latapy's former teammates Anthony Rougier, Brian Williams and Clayton Morris all agreed unanimously that he has to give up playing and concentrate on his new coaching role, while Everald "Gally" Cummings, who coached Latapy on the 1989 T&T Strike Squad, welcomed his appointment.

"Yes, the players will respect Latapy for what he has done on the field. But in terms of leadership qualities Russell is not one who players generally would be expected to emulate," said Morris.

"We have to also look at how team preparation will change...I have never been pleased with the team preparation. We usually start preparing the locally-based players two weeks before a match and we get the foreign-based a week before-five days is not enough time to prepare a team for World Cup qualifying.

"I know Russell personally and have a lot of love for him, but this appointment shows that our football has not grown. Mr Beenhakker came in and rescued the campaign, but three years later our football is in the same mess," stated Morris.

"We are really guessing. What are we expecting from this? Are we expecting to save the campaign again, while our football continues to deteriorate? Yes, we have a new coach, but with what our players are lacking at the moment, I can't see them drastically turning around the campaign."

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Re: Latapy advised to concentrate on coaching.
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2009, 09:55:28 AM »
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Re: Latapy advised to concentrate on coaching.
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2009, 10:52:22 AM »
Latapy advised to concentrate on coaching.
By: Ian Prescott (T&T Express).


STOP PLAYING

A lot of people want to see Russell Latapy do well as Trinidad and Tobago head coach, but not everyone is convinced it was the right time to appoint him to the position in the wake of Wednesday's resignation of Colombian Francisco Maturana.

And Latapy's former teammates Anthony Rougier, Brian Williams and Clayton Morris all agreed unanimously that he has to give up playing and concentrate on his new coaching role, while Everald "Gally" Cummings, who coached Latapy on the 1989 T&T Strike Squad, welcomed his appointment.

"Yes, the players will respect Latapy for what he has done on the field. But in terms of leadership qualities Russell is not one who players generally would be expected to emulate," said Morris.

"We have to also look at how team preparation will change...I have never been pleased with the team preparation. We usually start preparing the locally-based players two weeks before a match and we get the foreign-based a week before-five days is not enough time to prepare a team for World Cup qualifying.

"I know Russell personally and have a lot of love for him, but this appointment shows that our football has not grown. Mr Beenhakker came in and rescued the campaign, but three years later our football is in the same mess," stated Morris.

"We are really guessing. What are we expecting from this? Are we expecting to save the campaign again, while our football continues to deteriorate? Yes, we have a new coach, but with what our players are lacking at the moment, I can't see them drastically turning around the campaign."

Clayton Morris has made the most insightful comments of this entire article.  Much to think about!

Yes, agreed! But you know what anyone is an improvement from Mats at this point!

At least Latas can make his best effort to turn the ship around to sail in direction of South Africa rather than it sinking in Caribbean waters before we even reach the Atlantic!  ;)
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Re: Latapy advised to concentrate on coaching.
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2009, 12:19:15 PM »
There is plenty love out there for Latas from all quarters but not because yuh love de man means yuh should be blind and dumb.  None of those comments to me express any hate towards Latas.  Yes there is some guarded optimism as to what Latas will bring to the table but honestly is it unfounded?

Aside from many questioning his size, Latas off de field exploits might be a primary reason why he truly never made made his mark in top flight football.  His smoking and drinking habits preceded his obvious talent in many sectors.  His quitting the National Team with Dwight in 2001 hurt many of the players on that team and fans, knowing that they both were given a separate and higher than thou treatment by the TTFF.

Aside from being an assistant coach with Falkirk and the National Team, what really is his stake to being the head coach of our National Team.  We can all agree by looking at history that Great players in their own right don't necessarily make good (forget bout great) coaches.  If Jack had hired another former player (who was not our own or even if he was our own since folks forget about where Gally's came from to assume the head coaching role of our National Team) with a similar track record as a coach. this forum would have exploded.

Let us agree that regardless of how you cut it, Latas present day love for country, understanding of the local and Concacaf game and on the field respect from his fellow players is a big step up from Pacho.  For this we give him our full support (200%) and move on.  The proof will be in the final product on the field.

I think he can do it but he needs time, which I am not sure many on this forum might give him in this microwave world we live.  Focus on 2010 since we are definitely in with a chance but also focus on 20-future.

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Re: Latapy advised to concentrate on coaching.
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2009, 02:47:29 PM »
Why Gally Cummings does always have to sound so bitter!!??


Beleive it or not but this is what always drove him both as a player and a coach. But it doesnt seem to be working against the admin. He is just a bitter person ask nakhid.

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Re: Latapy advised to concentrate on coaching.
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2009, 02:59:48 PM »
I don't always agree with what Gally does say sometimes. And yes it is true that he comes accross as bitter. But when you dealing with the TTFF for over 30yrs, who would not be bitter. I bitter too!!!!!!!

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The fact about the team and Latas to advance.
« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2009, 08:46:29 PM »
We are depending on Yorke and Latas to take us to SA, this shows that the present young crop of players are weak at the international level.

Latas must know that no matter how good of a coach you are and you don't have quality to work with you can almost forget about SA 2010.

From what I have seen in previous games that yorke and Latas played in we look like a team that can advance especially when Latas is on the field.

Latas you better lace up and do your coaching on the field as a player or else our chances of qualifying will be tough.
« Last Edit: April 10, 2009, 08:50:03 PM by Coach »

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Re: The fact about the team and Latas to advance.
« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2009, 09:40:48 PM »
they should really focus on developing those under 20 youths... paul and de silva IMO consistent in form for the U-20 team and could really make an impact in the near future if not now... in the game against panama, even tho i listened to it on the radio, it seemed that the little time de silva played he really made an impact on the team's offense... i dont know how to really assess him defensively tho and we really need that kind of help on the left since daniel lacks such... paul would really add some power to the middle of the park... im sure there are other guys from that U-20 side who could add something and vranes know them well enuff... i dont know tho if competing in the U-20 WC might eliminate them as options for the senior side... anyways its the worse time to experiment of course but i think latapy should really demand the organisation of friendlies on any and all available fifa dates to really look at such youths and keep the rest of the local based active and gelling more

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« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2009, 10:18:51 PM »
Dem men attack de man character and den say he is ah friend?   :rotfl:  Steups.  Every one of us has done something we regret.  Many of us doh make de same mistakes twice.  Why bring up de past?

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« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2009, 01:26:53 AM »
I believe he should because I think we all saw him turn the pitiful Honduras game on its head and played an integral part in Hyland's winner.  I know I don't need to mention the USA game. 

For those of you who doubt that someone can both play and coach effectively I think you should look at the example of Anthony Modeste, who is the player-coach for Grenada and managed victories over T&T and Cuba as well as a 2-2 draw with Costa Rica in the qualifying that had the refs performed better they would have won (he might've been an assistant in that one, I'm not sure).  Not only this, Modeste played the full match usually whereas Latas would likely only come on for the last 30 or so minutes.
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Re: Latapy advised to concentrate on coaching.
« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2009, 07:18:49 PM »
Why Gally Cummings does always have to sound so bitter!!??



It have a few peeps on dis forum have de same Aloes condition... ;D

Agree and me and Gally share d same bday. Seriously he need 2 get ovah it.
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Re: Latapy advised to concentrate on coaching.
« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2009, 07:19:31 PM »
I don't always agree with what Gally does say sometimes. And yes it is true that he comes accross as bitter. But when you dealing with the TTFF for over 30yrs, who would not be bitter. I bitter too!!!!!!!

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« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2009, 07:30:30 PM »
Dem men attack de man character and den say he is ah friend?   :rotfl:  Steups.  Every one of us has done something we regret.  Many of us doh make de same mistakes twice.  Why bring up de past?

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Re: Latapy advised to concentrate on coaching.
« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2009, 08:00:18 PM »
This whole latas thing really jokie yes
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Re: Latapy advised to concentrate on coaching.
« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2009, 10:54:27 PM »
I believe he should because I think we all saw him turn the pitiful Honduras game on its head and played an integral part in Hyland's winner.  I know I don't need to mention the USA game. 

For those of you who doubt that someone can both play and coach effectively I think you should look at the example of Anthony Modeste, who is the player-coach for Grenada and managed victories over T&T and Cuba as well as a 2-2 draw with Costa Rica in the qualifying that had the refs performed better they would have won (he might've been an assistant in that one, I'm not sure).  Not only this, Modeste played the full match usually whereas Latas would likely only come on for the last 30 or so minutes.

I anticipated that the Modeste comparison would appear. Finding it compelling on the surface, I too mulled it over and concluded it is an incomplete argument.

Modeste is in his early 30s; Grenada has very finite player resources (more so than ours); Modeste was a key ingredient in how they played systemically (indeed, you correctly acknowledge the playing time he got); Modeste has worn the armband umpteen times so the transition to coach-leader from player-leader was somewhat seamless; Grenada had a leadership vacuum that he filled; one could argue he is comparatively more steeped in/familiar with the breadth of local talent than Russell is/was, and, the catchall contention: Grenada had nothing to lose.

PLUS, dahis TWO games ... AND, if yuh really want to dismantle dem games tactically yuh cyah ignore Grenada relinquished a 2 goal lead at home ... one goal coming minutes shy of the first half (hmmm!) and the other on the half-hour mark in the second half, albeit they were a man down. At best, I would say they made a promising statement. Where we are at right now, in terms of WC qualifying, a promising statement would be insufficient. It might even be considered redundant.

Let me also add, I viewed the return game (Costa Rica @ home) ... honestly, I felt Modeste could hold his head high ... Grenada did several things right ... and in a season when it was stomach-churning to watch Belize v Mexico and US v Barbados, that says a whole heap.

Here's a report from the local Rican press ... Shouldn't be too hard to suss my point:

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Grenada, while demonstrating no fatal flaws in their play, were nonetheless unable to muster any potent attack. The teams shared possession fairly equally, but Costa Rica outperformed on shots on goal 5 to 0 in the first half, and then an even more lopsided 10 to 1 in the second half.

Moreover, this was THE game that could have seen Hernan lose his job (remember CRC had gone winless in 11 games up until this encounter) ... as we know, he eventually lost his gig, buh as I say, Grenada did play some reasonable ball even in that game.

SO, back to the matter at hand ... questions to be resolved ... do we ABSOLUTELY need Russell on the field? Did we ABSOLUTELY need him on the touchline? In my view, it's a balance that has precise limits ... and elan insightfully touched on it in a post several weeks ago. It's an interim arrangement, much of which will turn on whaiz going on in Latas head.
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« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2009, 12:03:13 AM »
Some pretty good points there asylumseeker.  I have to admit I wasn't able to watch the match in Grenada despite me agonizing over finding a stream.  I did get some Spanish audio (my Spanish isn't great though) as well as running commentary from a group of Costa Rica supporters so thats where my info on that match comes from.  I guess we'll see how Grenada fare in the Gold Cup this summer with Modeste at the helm.  Of course we'll have already seen how Latas performs in his two games in June, but it should still be interesting. 

As for the return match, it should also be pointed out that Costa Rica have been absolutely flawless at home during this campaign (they have not yet allowed a goal in Costa Rica) and were the only team (thanks to Latas and T&T beating the bastards) to get maximum points in the third round (to be fair against a pretty weak group though).  While the USA and Mexico have also gotten maximum points from their home matches, they have allowed goals at home (I believe 1 and 2 goals only though, respectively)
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« Reply #23 on: July 27, 2009, 09:13:01 PM »
I have been watching this site & the dailies for the past few days, looking to see if anyone would comment on this but in true Trinbago style it looks like business as usual. I think it is morally wrong for the National Coach to be playing against players that he has to select for national duty.
I have spoken to some National players who are very uncomfortable with this but for fear of victimisation they will keep quiet.
Picture this how will you play against a man who will decide whether you make the cut or not. Do you tackle him hard, do you try to beat him, do you dribble him, do you show him up.
Other than the moral and ethics issue, what if he gets a broken leg from a tackle from a player who feels that he eh go make the cut either way so he go show up the coach. What happens then is there an assistant coach in place.
And to top it off, the coach claims that he is just taking a sweat. Is that what our National Coach feels about our Pro League, a place to sweat. Go figure.
I know the Pro Latapys will come out firing, but think with your heads & not your hearts, is this right.
Can the other coaches in the Pro leage now trust Latapy, because he is no longer a colleague but is now a competitor. Can they trust him with their charges. I understood that after playing W Connection on wednesday evening, he called training for thursday morning, is that right. Again after the saturday games he called training for sunday morning. Couldn't he have called training for the evening instead on both occasions. But then since he feels the pro league is good for a sweat, then the players can come and sweat the morning after, no sweat!!!!!.      Over to you forumnites

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« Reply #24 on: July 27, 2009, 09:16:41 PM »
rama... latapy at Calidonia to give back something to his community... he had a "sweat" at Falkirk FC...
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Re: Latapy advised to concentrate on coaching.
« Reply #25 on: July 27, 2009, 11:34:10 PM »
Why Gally Cummings does always have to sound so bitter!!??


Beleive it or not but this is what always drove him both as a player and a coach. But it doesnt seem to be working against the admin. He is just a bitter person ask nakhid.

You ever meet Gally and spend anytime with him ?
Allyuh is some real backside, spend 2mins with Gally and is an unforgettable experience, he is one of the men that take shyte talk to a science. Gally bitter ? Gally do everything in life he wanted to do so far apart from playing in a WC and coaching TT to a WC.
The only bitterness Gally have is how TTFF discard him like a used condom after he almost perform a miracle.
If I was Gally and a reporter ask me about national coach job I would continuosly take digs at Jack Warner and the pack of aholes that surround him.
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« Reply #26 on: July 27, 2009, 11:43:40 PM »
Why Gally Cummings does always have to sound so bitter!!??


Beleive it or not but this is what always drove him both as a player and a coach. But it doesnt seem to be working against the admin. He is just a bitter person ask nakhid.

You ever meet Gally and spend anytime with him ?
Allyuh is some real backside, spend 2mins with Gally and is an unforgettable experience, he is one of the men that take shyte talk to a science. Gally bitter ? Gally do everything in life he wanted to do so far apart from playing in a WC and coaching TT to a WC.
The only bitterness Gally have is how TTFF discard him like a used condom after he almost perform a miracle.
If I was Gally and a reporter ask me about national coach job I would continuosly take digs at Jack Warner and the pack of aholes that surround him.
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well said there Fishs
tell Gally, "Karma" go ketch up wid dem men boys
Whatever you do, do it to the purpose; do it thoroughly, not superficially. Go to the bottom of things. Any thing half done, or half known, is in my mind, neither done nor known at all. Nay, worse, for it often misleads.
Lord Chesterfield
(1694 - 1773)

 

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