Kenwyne Jones Thread

[just cool]

I really like this kid, god honest i really do. but this fella seem like he's ready to go back to the championship, BC for the past three yrs i've seen him in the prem, the fella plays well in the first three months of the season matching goal tally with the best of them, but come 2nd half of the season and the boy does break down like an old morris/austin cambridge.

for the past four games i've been watching KJ and i have to say this kid is playing like he's contented playing for struggling mid table teams.

the man playing like he's already made it, played for the best clubs and have silver wear and meddles in his cabinet from EPL, champions league and FA/ carling cup together and just killin time @ stoke waiting to retire.

if KJ have any ambitions of playing in ah better team set up, then he needs to step up his games and attract attention from big clubs where he could make good money and play with teammates who could bring out his true potential and raise his stock, or else he would be just another benjani or marlon hearwood.

this is what i hate about our players (with the exception of yoke), they does start hot and sweaty, and as soon as their name call twice too often, then they does adopt ah lackadaisical stride (as to say, i made it) instead of pushing further for greatness. just look @ tevez, pavlyuchenko or even carlton cole, them men does run like they playing for their freedom.

KJ needs to take a page from pavlyuchenko and his work rate.



PS:KJ yuh done know ah love yuh bredder, and in no wise trying to malign yuh, but yuh need tuh get wicked and bad minded wid the football bro, you could do it, yuhs ah star fella, and stars does shine big and bright! i have confidence in yuh!  get it done son!

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who is morris austin cambridge 

[just cool]

who is morris austin cambridge 

It'a an old make of car that was prevalent in T&T in the colonial and post colonial era, they broke down a lot, i think it's ah british product.

here take ah look.  http://www.classic-austin-morris.oldclassiccar.co.uk/photo_austin_cambridge.htm

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who is morris austin cambridge 

It'a an old make of car that was prevalent in T&T in the colonial and post colonial era, they broke down a lot, i think it's ah british product.

here take ah look.  http://www.classic-austin-morris.oldclassiccar.co.uk/photo_austin_cambridge.htm

an apt description indeed

[theworm2345]

The Stoke fans are starting to turn on him as well.

[injunchile]

I want to agreewith Just Cool. His former Coach did say that he was too laid back and added something about the Caribbean mentality.
 Kj has thje  ability of making height that few possess as wel as his physicality to run pass defence players but is not using it to the max. A friend of mine who likes him said it is basically laziness.
 I think he believes that he has arrived and that middle of the table teams likeSstokes should be happy to have him.
 Thje Good is often the enemy of the Best.

[Socapro]

The TTFF did not help by giving KJ T&T player of the year award and making him feel he already reach despite the fact that he's hasn't kicked a ball or scored a goal for T&T in years!

Maybe KJ is just happy to get paid and is killing time until he's ready to retire! Maybe he feels he has nothing more to prove right now as he's T&T players of the year. So none of his other Stoke team-mates can walk in his shoes and boast of winning such an award from their country!!

[rotatopoti3]

who is morris austin cambridge


I wuz goin tuh say KJ iz like ah Cortina..and Yorke wuz like ah Royal Saloon

Jason Scotland iz like ah Kingswood

Carlos Edwards does wuk like ah 280C

[Bakes]

If as Dreamer claims, KJ really said that he doh care what we here on SW.net/WN.com have to say and wants nothing to do with us... why are we even bothering?

[Peong]

Carew take over the big target man role and looks a lot more active than KJ in the same role.
KJ's effort is deficient.

[kev]

JC I have watched Kenwyne with interest, I don't even think the Stoke fans have yet seen what he is capable of, like the 1st 6 months at Sunderland.  He scored earlier on in the season but really wasn't involved much in the matches (the one's I seen anyway). 

He is one of the most frustrating players I have ever seen, you see players waste their talents because of drink, gambling, too much money too young etc., but Kenwyne doesn't seem the type to do this.  I thought for a while that he was far too comfortable at Sunderland and needed competition for his place, which never arrived, I also thought he would have a good 6 months or so then would see what he form was like then, but apart from a very few glimpses its not really improved that much from what I have seen.  As you say I think he is suffering from arrivatitis, possibily being spoilt at Sunderland. 

I think thats why some fans turned against him, because they knew what he was capable of and just never seen it often enough, hence the tag of being lazy or just not arsed.  The Stoke fans haven't been happy with him for a good while now.  Stoke play a system which involves big players that can jump, he is Pulis's wet dream and thats why Stoke bought him, it was no major surprise when they sold 2 footballers last week. 

There is nothing more fickle than football fans and a couple of goals will see him lorded again by them, but it will take a lot more than that for a manager of a good side to take a chance on him.  I don't think Bruce handled him at all well and made it very obvious early on, but by the same token Kenwyne didn't/isn't helping himself either.

[just cool]

If as Dreamer claims, KJ really said that he doh care what we here on SW.net/WN.com have to say and wants nothing to do with us... why are we even bothering?

Well lets examine that statement, dreamer claimed. first off , dreamer has to produce proof, and if KJ really did say that, who's to say that he meant it.

and if he did say it and it sound like he meant it, still don't mean he did, the fact that he knows who the SWMB is, means that he visits and knows what we stand for, and it's hard to believe that he said that BC it sounds illogical since we venerate and support our boys to a fault, so KJ have to be ah staring mad man to make such an ungratefull statement.

i have tuh hear it from his own mouth to believe it, or maybe his god father coop could shed some light on that statement.

[Bakes]

If as Dreamer claims, KJ really said that he doh care what we here on SW.net/WN.com have to say and wants nothing to do with us... why are we even bothering?

Well lets examine that statement, dreamer claimed. first off , dreamer has to produce proof, and if KJ really did say that, who's to say that he meant it.

and if he did say it and it sound like he meant it, still don't mean he did, the fact that he knows who the SWMB is, means that he visits and knows what we stand for, and it's hard to believe that he said that BC it sounds illogical since we venerate and support our boys to a fault, so KJ have to be ah staring mad man to make such an ungratefully statement.

i have tuh hear it from his own mouth to believe it, or maybe his god father coop could shed some light on that statement.

Dreamer doesn't have to prove a hypothetical.  The rest of what you say sounds like fan-boy rationalization.

[just cool]

If as Dreamer claims, KJ really said that he doh care what we here on SW.net/WN.com have to say and wants nothing to do with us... why are we even bothering?

Well lets examine that statement, dreamer claimed. first off , dreamer has to produce proof, and if KJ really did say that, who's to say that he meant it.

and if he did say it and it sound like he meant it, still don't mean he did, the fact that he knows who the SWMB is, means that he visits and knows what we stand for, and it's hard to believe that he said that BC it sounds illogical since we venerate and support our boys to a fault, so KJ have to be ah staring mad man to make such an ungratefully statement.

i have tuh hear it from his own mouth to believe it, or maybe his god father coop could shed some light on that statement.

Dreamer doesn't have to prove a hypothetical.  The rest of what you say sounds like fan-boy rationalization.

So what you saying, dreamer made ah supposition about KJ and i have tuh go wid dat? how fackin absurd.

as for being a fan , yes i am, and so are you , to be up 345 in the mornin talking football is some serious fanzone shyte  , which is the way it should be if yuh passionate about something, but i must say, i'm not ah blind follower/ fan.

[just cool]

JC I have watched Kenwyne with interest, I don't even think the Stoke fans have yet seen what he is capable of, like the 1st 6 months at Sunderland.  He scored earlier on in the season but really wasn't involved much in the matches (the one's I seen anyway). 

He is one of the most frustrating players I have ever seen, you see players waste their talents because of drink, gambling, too much money too young etc., but Kenwyne doesn't seem the type to do this.  I thought for a while that he was far too comfortable at Sunderland and needed competition for his place, which never arrived, I also thought he would have a good 6 months or so then would see what he form was like then, but apart from a very few glimpses its not really improved that much from what I have seen.  As you say I think he is suffering from arrivatitis, possibily being spoilt at Sunderland. 

I think thats why some fans turned against him, because they knew what he was capable of and just never seen it often enough, hence the tag of being lazy or just not arsed.  The Stoke fans haven't been happy with him for a good while now.  Stoke play a system which involves big players that can jump, he is Pulis's wet dream and thats why Stoke bought him, it was no major surprise when they sold 2 footballers last week. 

There is nothing more fickle than football fans and a couple of goals will see him lorded again by them, but it will take a lot more than that for a manager of a good side to take a chance on him.  I don't think Bruce handled him at all well and made it very obvious early on, but by the same token Kenwyne didn't/isn't helping himself either.

Kev this is what i'm afraid of. i've noticed that stoke city was the only team in for him in the summer transfer window, and in this past transfer no one came calling, i'm afraid the cats out the bag and his stocks has plummeted considerably.

he needs to revive his career, it's been a long time since KJ scored for our national team, fellas like kerry baptiste and darryl roberts (two of our national teams forwards who will kill to be in KJ's shoes) are far more hungry and deserving of a call up for our national squad BC they have out performed and scored more vital goals than kenwyne.

KJ better take heed and stop lallygagging, or else he may find himself right back in the championship or on some struggling newly promoted team earning less paper.

[Bakes]

So what you saying, dreamer made ah supposition about KJ and i have tuh go wid dat? how fackin absurd.

I deliberately started with "if"... that makes it a hypothetical.  Don't need proof for a hypothetical.

Had I said "Dreamer says... so why should we even bother", then that would be a different issue.

as for being a fan , yes i am, and so are you , to be up 345 in the mornin talking football is some serious fanzone shyte  , which is the way it should be if yuh passionate about something, but i must say, i'm not ah blind follower/ fan.

I up cuz I have a deadline to meet in a couple weeks... and posting only to break the routine.

[just cool]

So what you saying, dreamer made ah supposition about KJ and i have tuh go wid dat? how fackin absurd.

I deliberately started with "if"... that makes it a hypothetical.  Don't need proof for a hypothetical.

Had I said "Dreamer says... so why should we even bother", then that would be a different issue.

as for being a fan , yes i am, and so are you , to be up 345 in the mornin talking football is some serious fanzone shyte  , which is the way it should be if yuh passionate about something, but i must say, i'm not ah blind follower/ fan.

I up cuz I have a deadline to meet in a couple weeks... and posting only to break the routine.

Yuh notice the grinin smiley thingy @ the end of the statement? that signifies that i'm puttin ah lil humor in the thing, i know yuhs ah lawyer bro, and i guess it's the reason for being up late, i figur that much. 

just humoring friend.

[kev]

JC I have watched Kenwyne with interest, I don't even think the Stoke fans have yet seen what he is capable of, like the 1st 6 months at Sunderland.  He scored earlier on in the season but really wasn't involved much in the matches (the one's I seen anyway). 

He is one of the most frustrating players I have ever seen, you see players waste their talents because of drink, gambling, too much money too young etc., but Kenwyne doesn't seem the type to do this.  I thought for a while that he was far too comfortable at Sunderland and needed competition for his place, which never arrived, I also thought he would have a good 6 months or so then would see what he form was like then, but apart from a very few glimpses its not really improved that much from what I have seen.  As you say I think he is suffering from arrivatitis, possibily being spoilt at Sunderland. 

I think thats why some fans turned against him, because they knew what he was capable of and just never seen it often enough, hence the tag of being lazy or just not arsed.  The Stoke fans haven't been happy with him for a good while now.  Stoke play a system which involves big players that can jump, he is Pulis's wet dream and thats why Stoke bought him, it was no major surprise when they sold 2 footballers last week. 

There is nothing more fickle than football fans and a couple of goals will see him lorded again by them, but it will take a lot more than that for a manager of a good side to take a chance on him.  I don't think Bruce handled him at all well and made it very obvious early on, but by the same token Kenwyne didn't/isn't helping himself either.

Kev this is what i'm afraid of. i've noticed that stoke city was the only team in for him in the summer transfer window, and in this past transfer no one came calling, i'm afraid the cats out the bag and his stocks has plummeted considerably.

he needs to revive his career, it's been a long time since KJ scored for our national team, fellas like kerry baptiste and darryl roberts (two of our national teams forwards who will kill to be in KJ's shoes) are far more hungry and deserving of a call up for our national squad BC they have out performed and scored more vital goals than kenwyne.

KJ better take heed and stop lallygagging, or else he may find himself right back in the prem or on some struggling newly promoted team earning less paper.

I haven't a clue what the deal was but I know Pulis made a big thing at the time of how Sunderland cut the deal so they effectively paid the difference in wages that Stoke are paying him, as to what he was being paid at Sunderland, more than a fair few comments on here about it aswell. 

I can't help wonder how he sees that himself, mentally.  Did he just shrug his shoulders and think hey great I've been paid for nowt, does he now think he has took a backwards step because he is being paid less (even though he has been paid the difference already), does it just not bother him. He has made enough to see him right for the rest of his life so is he just not bothered anymore.

The summer is going to be an interesting time for him, given Stoke tried to buy Ba (on the cheap) and whether Pulis is going to get in more competition for him.  There is a shortage of the types Pulis likes so maybe he will struggle, but he is not one to take any prisoners if get on the wrong side of him.

[Feliziano]

bout Firebrand's quote..yes Kenwyne did say that bout SW.net & WN
had bout a 10 of us or so at the hotel after the Nashville game

so as someone say why even bother bout him if thats his attitude

[Ngozi]

Is so funny people say to get the best out of KJ yuh have to send him to a good team and all that shyte.
Stoke have two very good wingers who serves him the balls he needs .. he simply looks uninterested and lethargic ..... it's nothing about the man talent or the system or anything like that ... it is all about the man's desire and hence his atitude.

Carew is  his size but no where near as athletic but his desire is there for all to see because he has something to prove. I understand the man has had some personal issues (but shit everybody got problems) but at the end of the day this is his job. If I go to work (personal issues or not) and not doing what they pay me to do.. I will get walked out!

KJ is getting incredibly close to me rating him as I do Torres as one of the most overrated players around ... they'll have to put him on the bench soon and I'd have to say "he really made a great effort to get there".
I wouldn't even call him back for the national team.. I don't see the reason ... I'd go with Kerry Baptiste.

Let me give you my definition of irony ... Kerry Baptiste is one of the most hard working players I see in T&T and they played him on the wings where he did well but didn't really get foreign pro opportunities, they converted him to striker and found out that he has some serious finishing ability and his chances to even get a trial are coming when he is aged 29 and, he is still working his ass off whereas Mr. KJ was converted from a defvender to a striker based on natural athleticism and size where he has NOT been a hit, he has shown poor work ethic yet he is playing in the premier league and is being given chance after chance after chance and is f**king it up, no desire.

The work ethic I used to love about this kid is now non existent (do you guys remember this kid vs paraguay in the world cup? he came on and amazed me).
I'm not here to bring down a man because of opportunity but to blow an opportunity like this when others are working so hard to even get the chance to get so much less just f**ks with my mind all day ... that to me is unforgiveable!

[Sando]

The last time I said it, people got mad.

The thing is, people blame Stoke, Sunderland, who ever... and yet the other strikers their are scoring every game, Bent was among the EPL top goal scorer two years in a row... and I know some of the goals the other strikers score were off KJ, but when its reverse why isn't KJ taking advantage of the opportunity as well ?

He's not even starting anymore with Carew there now, who will be flying our flag in the UK now, eh Palos, yuh hiding .... 

[Jah Gol]

Jones is just not a prolific goal scorer at that level.I'm not trying to denigrate him. He's probably good enough to get 10 goals a season or 20 in a lower division. In national colours he's never distinguished himself as a goalscorer either. Maybe he's not a striker.

[Giggsy11]

Dude is a loofer! During the match on Saturday Stokes had a break and instead of bussin a gut to be a target in the area for a cross or pass, dude was joggin forward like he didn't want to receive the ball for a play. Seen he do that a few times which is why I was surprise when I read that he was considered one of the fastest in the league. When did he ever turn the burners on to be considered one of the fastest? I think sometimes he doesn't put him self in positions to receive the ball because he may not want the responsibility of having to make a play with the ball. Players find ways to hide on the feild when they don't want to receive the ball in positive areas.

[maxg]

I will say this for the last time..and this is not just in my opinion...The average fan, has no idea what any knee or any joint injury does to the performance of any type of elite athlete, especially if that athlete is expected to perform at the top levels of his sport....Your capacity to train diminishes greatly, and so your capacity to achieve. If you try too hard at either, you hurt and cannot perform at all..i.e. not somebody hurt you, which everyone see game day, you hurt yourself..A totally healthy individual, even if he was the best soccer player in the world, can hurt themselves with overtraining, many stars have been diminished, if not extinguished with way less, but FANS want to see a man from a career ending injury running, who wasn't even near those levels of accomplishment, running like he want to be the next pele... Hard for fans to get real, as far as their own personal favs and teams are concerned, but real students of sport, should know better...ref: Stern John, Ronaldo... Could write more, but i will be repeating myself, and delving into hypotheticals..
My opinion now, I just happy he could even have a job, and possibly gain some experience that we may be able to tap, when or if, we could get him back to Trinidad...
Fans could say what they want, they paying for that...carry on

[Touches]

Me ent know but I watch the Sunderland game and I find he was looking good.

He was trapping cleaner, held up the ball well and won every header in the air.

I find Kenwyne improving.

All he have to do is score a goal or two and all will be well.

[weary1969]

Jones is just not a prolific goal scorer at that level.I'm not trying to denigrate him. He's probably good enough to get 10 goals a season or 20 in a lower division. In national colours he's never distinguished himself as a goalscorer either. Maybe he's not a striker.

IZ NOT AND WILL NEVA B A STRIKER. As 4 not caring bout we y should he. Is his mind he doin his best and we eh blieve him. So y go through hoops 2 satisfy us. People will neva b satisfied do what u have 2 do.

[Ngozi]

Jones is just not a prolific goal scorer at that level.I'm not trying to denigrate him. He's probably good enough to get 10 goals a season or 20 in a lower division. In national colours he's never distinguished himself as a goalscorer either. Maybe he's not a striker.

IZ NOT AND WILL NEVA B A STRIKER. As 4 not caring bout we y should he. Is his mind he doin his best and we eh blieve him. So y go through hoops 2 satisfy us. People will neva b satisfied do what u have 2 do.

All we asking of him is to do what he have to do ... and he aint!

[weary1969]

Jones is just not a prolific goal scorer at that level.I'm not trying to denigrate him. He's probably good enough to get 10 goals a season or 20 in a lower division. In national colours he's never distinguished himself as a goalscorer either. Maybe he's not a striker.

IZ NOT AND WILL NEVA B A STRIKER. As 4 not caring bout we y should he. Is his mind he doin his best and we eh blieve him. So y go through hoops 2 satisfy us. People will neva b satisfied do what u have 2 do.

All we asking of him is to do what he have to do ... and he aint!

In his mind he doin he best is just that u eh blieve iz he best. All I know KJ get injured in dat fete match v England in May and in Nov he come bck 2 play 4 we dat is some level of loyalty. He did not have 2 return in dat came. So we may not b happy wit his output but 2 say dem fellas eh care  me eh blieve dat. We use 2 say d same ting bout DY.

[Bakes]

Yuh notice the grinin smiley thingy @ the end of the statement? that signifies that i'm puttin ah lil humor in the thing, i know yuhs ah lawyer bro, and i guess it's the reason for being up late, i figur that much. 

just humoring friend.

Nah I know yuh not on anything... I was probably too tired and distracted to put smileys.


As for Kenwyn... I only saw the last 25 mins of the Sunderland game, but I thought he fought well.  I still think he doesn't work as hard as he should... and what really makes it glaring is that a high work rate is a necessity in the English game, so when everyone else around you in the frame running and you jogging it magnifies the (lack of) effort.  Now I'm not advocating running for the hell of it, or even for show, but you already know the stereotype that's out there about Caribbean ballers... a little more effort would go a long way.  Take Fuller for instance, say what you want about him but even if he have to give a dotish foul every now and then Fuller will ride your ass if you come anywhere close with the ball at your feet.

Anyways, whether he gives a shit about us or not I still wish the fella well.

bout Firebrand's quote..yes Kenwyne did say that bout SW.net & WN
had bout a 10 of us or so at the hotel after the Nashville game

so as someone say why even bother bout him if thats his attitude

Oh it was Firebrand who said it?  My bad (apologies to Dreamer)... really disappointing to hear.

[FireBrand]

JC (and Bakes) I was the one who posted the comment Jones made regarding SW.net/WN, and as Feliz stated there were about 10 forumites present that heard him... including Tallman. About six months prior to that encounter with Jones I sent him three emails requesting an interview for the fans on the Website, but all those emails went unanswered. When I met up with him in Nashville and asked him about the interview and my emails, that is when he voiced his displeasure (with an expression of disgust) for the Club/Websites.  

Now any T&T footballer who we have interviewed or corresponded with (including yuh boy Darryl Roberts ) could attest that our interaction with them is always professional, so it was kind of a shock to me and the forumites present that he responded in such a manner. I don't know Kenwyne personally or have anything against him (apart from the frustration we all feel in watching him play), but my honest impression of him that night was that of an arrogant footballer who did not give a crap about the fans.  If yuh still eh choose to believe that then that's yuh prerogative bro...I could only call it as I saw it.