If Arsene Wenger left tomorrow and Jose Mourinho left Real Madrid ...

[dwn]

Thought this quote could spark some good debate. What are your thoughts?

Paul Merson:
"If Arsene Wenger left tomorrow and Jose Mourinho left Real Madrid, every club in the world would want Wenger ahead of Mourinho," said the 43-year-old. "I say that because Mourinho needs 100 or 200 million pounds ($327 million) to spend on players wherever he goes, Arsene Wenger doesn't."

Source:
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/07042011/2/old-boy-merson-writes-arsenal-title-chances.html

[GunnerStunner]

lol from what i understand arsenal have 100-200 mil to spend but wenger wont spend it

i doubt arsenal wil go with a mercenary manager like mourhino anyway

and at this point i am so jaded about arsenal that i dont want us to win athing this year to even give wenger any justification of why he stuck by with keeping the dead weight on this team

[diamondtrim]

Wenger is a true club manager...he manages players, youth programmes, budgets etc....sometimes i figure he might be better suited to d boardroom as opposed to d dressing room.

Mourinho needs material to work with...without 3 or 4 outstanding players mourinho aint worth shit

[Dansteel - The Iceman]

I dunno man. I appreciate the sentiment but football clubs are so obsessed with results "now for now" that a man like Mourinho will always be favoured over a man like Wenger who, while guaranteeing the long term viability and independence of a team, doesn't win as many trophies.

On the other hand that is why Mourinho is the only big manager who will constantly criticise Wenger's trophy drought. He knows he built nothing of substance. Ferguson, Ancelotti, Guardiola, they all speak of Wenger with respect because they recognise the scale of his achievement. Mourinho will never understand because he doesn't have to.

[sammy]

Wenger is a true club manager...he manages players, youth programmes, budgets etc....sometimes i figure he might be better suited to d boardroom as opposed to d dressing room.

Mourinho needs material to work with...without 3 or 4 outstanding players mourinho aint worth shit

what about his days at porto?

[elan]

What has Wenger won and What has Mourinho won? All that Matters is results.

[Arazi]

Wenger is a true club manager...he manages players, youth programmes, budgets etc....sometimes i figure he might be better suited to d boardroom as opposed to d dressing room.

Mourinho needs material to work with...without 3 or 4 outstanding players mourinho aint worth shit

what about his days at porto?

I NOW come to say that, Like men forget HE WIN BACK to back European titles with Porto. Mourinho doesn't necessarily need OUTSTANDING players, he just needs a core of good players who will work within his philosophy. Madrid is perhaps his most star-studded team and right now he probably has the most headaches as a result.

[Trinimassive]

It almost seems like Wenger is more concerned with working with youth than winning.

[D.H.W]

pedo

[spideybuff]

He have a good point man. Cause Wenger bringing attacking football too. Mourinho bringing boring football with a guarantee of trophies.

[diamondtrim]

Wenger is a true club manager...he manages players, youth programmes, budgets etc....sometimes i figure he might be better suited to d boardroom as opposed to d dressing room.

Mourinho needs material to work with...without 3 or 4 outstanding players mourinho aint worth shit

what about his days at porto?

I NOW come to say that, Like men forget HE WIN BACK to back European titles with Porto. Mourinho doesn't necessarily need OUTSTANDING players, he just needs a core of good players who will work within his philosophy. Madrid is perhaps his most star-studded team and right now he probably has the most headaches as a result.

Yes Real is his most star studded team, but he is consistently being out coached by Pep. And its common knowledge that La Liga is a two horse league.

Porto had the following outstanding players (at least in my view)

Baia, Carvalho, Fereira, Maniche, Deco

[saint27]

Two great managers in thier own right ( even though i hate arsenal)....... Mourinho is a man to come in and win trophies now for now and arsene is a lil more old school in givin d youths a chance and building for the future...... clubs with big money like City would take mourinho quicker cuz they tryin to justify spending 100 mil a year .... i could see a more traditional club like liverpool or barca(providing pep gone) takin wenger to continue building on past success

[kicker]

He have a good point man. Cause Wenger bringing attacking football too. Mourinho bringing boring football with a guarantee of trophies.

He ent guranteed nothing this year. 

[kicker]

Yes Real is his most star studded team, but he is consistently being out coached by Pep.

Not correct.

Mourinho's Inter beat Pep's Barca last season in CL...

This season Pep has the upper hand so far...

But who is to say that victories are a result of outcoaching?

I think when yuh dealing with weak to mediocre teams, coaching is the X factor...but when yuh dealing with top tier teams at the highest level, it's as much about the big players performing and executing....and coaches can only do so much to influence that... 

[Big Magician]

i eh lying...some ah allyuh real funny yes

[100% Barataria]

He have a good point man. Cause Wenger bringing attacking football too. Mourinho bringing boring football with a guarantee of trophies.

He ent guranteed nothing this year. 

Agreed 

[saint27]

Yes Real is his most star studded team, but he is consistently being out coached by Pep.

I think when yuh dealing with weak to mediocre teams, coaching is the X factor...but when yuh dealing with top tier teams at the highest level, it's as much about the big players performing and executing....and coaches can only do so much to influence that... 

How coaching wont be the X factor ? All the teams that are winnig can attribute that to thier coaches .... a team with out a good coach or bouncing from coach to coach wont win anything ... look at real bouncing from coach to coach with all thier world class players havent won anyhthing in a while

[GunnerStunner]

pedo

lol so thats what you lay in bed thinking about eh?  

[GunnerStunner]

i eh lying...some ah allyuh real funny yes

big coach explain yuhself nah

[kicker]

How coaching wont be the X factor ? All the teams that are winnig can attribute that to thier coaches .... a team with out a good coach or bouncing from coach to coach wont win anything ... look at real bouncing from coach to coach with all thier world class players havent won anyhthing in a while

It goes without saying that you need a good coach for success...and the two we're talking about are both very good coaches.  We're talking about 2 of the best football managers alive today...

I'm saying the difference between them is probably more the players they work with than their ability to manage....

[GunnerStunner]

How coaching wont be the X factor ? All the teams that are winnig can attribute that to thier coaches .... a team with out a good coach or bouncing from coach to coach wont win anything ... look at real bouncing from coach to coach with all thier world class players havent won anyhthing in a while

It goes without saying that you need a good coach for success...and the two we're talking about are both very good coaches.  We're talking about 2 of the best football managers alive today...

I'm saying the difference between them is probably more the players they work with than their ability to manage....

and some money to spend but otherwise you correcto mundo

[giggsy11]

Has Arsene9 ever build a great side from scratch that won things? The invicibles and sides that won trophies contained a defense including goalie from the previous manager. Arsene9 has failed to shore up areas of weakness and continues to let his ego dictate. I think the difference with Jose is he will spend to fill areas of weakness despite his ego and he also puts players in positions where they can be most effective. Also I think Jose is a better motivator than Arsene9. I will take, Jose the wandering, winning gypsy!

[giggsy11]

Arsene9 only want to play "cultured" football and his side consistently getting their arse whipped and their lunch taken away! Arsenal plays like Arsene9 looks; he doesn't want to work up a sweat or get dirt under his nails!

[KND2]

At the end of the day take Bertile and spend the money on players.

Players win the games not coaches.

Coaches help by picking the correct players etc tactics, but the players is the key.

If messi was on Arsenal they would win the champions league

you could bring which coach you want, u need to focus on the players.

[sammy]

At the end of the day take Bertile and spend the money on players.

Players win the games not coaches.

Coaches help by picking the correct players etc tactics, but the players is the key.

If messi was on Arsenal they would win the champions league

you could bring which coach you want, u need to focus on the players.

how come argentina cyah win shit? Messi greatness is a product of a great team around him.

[giggsy11]

At the end of the day take Bertile and spend the money on players.

Players win the games not coaches.

Coaches help by picking the correct players etc tactics, but the players is the key.

If messi was on Arsenal they would win the champions league

you could bring which coach you want, u need to focus on the players.

how come argentina cyah win shit? Messi greatness is a product of a great team around him.

I disagree, I think systems and managing help players to be successful. Barca's system compliments Messi and it appears that Argentina's new manager has a system that is working for Messi.

[sammy]

At the end of the day take Bertile and spend the money on players.

Players win the games not coaches.

Coaches help by picking the correct players etc tactics, but the players is the key.

If messi was on Arsenal they would win the champions league

you could bring which coach you want, u need to focus on the players.

how come argentina cyah win shit? Messi greatness is a product of a great team around him.

I disagree, I think systems and managing help players to be successful. Barca's system compliments Messi and it appears that Argentina's new manager has a system that is working for Messi.

exactly.
if messi was a part of arsenal dosent mean that they would win CL as stated by KND2. the best results from a player will come about from the right manager being able to build a team philosophy that the players can adapt to.

[kicker]

I disagree, I think systems and managing help players to be successful. Barca's system compliments Messi and it appears that Argentina's new manager has a system that is working for Messi.

Of course.  Good point. 

Point is both Mourinho and Wenger have proven at various points in their career, that given the right players they develop winning "systems" and can manage to success...

X factor is still the players. 

[triniairman]

lol from what i understand arsenal have 100-200 mil to spend but wenger wont spend it

i doubt arsenal wil go with a mercenary manager like mourhino anyway

and at this point i am so jaded about arsenal that i dont want us to win athing this year to even give wenger any justification of why he stuck by with keeping the dead weight on this team

[Observer]

Wenger is a true club manager...he manages players, youth programmes, budgets etc....sometimes i figure he might be better suited to d boardroom as opposed to d dressing room.

Mourinho needs material to work with...without 3 or 4 outstanding players mourinho aint worth shit

what about his days at porto?

I NOW come to say that, Like men forget HE WIN BACK to back European titles with Porto. Mourinho doesn't necessarily need OUTSTANDING players, he just needs a core of good players who will work within his philosophy. Madrid is perhaps his most star-studded team and right now he probably has the most headaches as a result.

Porto had outstanding players on that squad and they were on top of their game as well. They had depth, balance and a bench that gave them a different dimension. It was also a very expensive squad at the time for a Portugese club.

PORTO:
 
GK 99  Vítor Baía
RB 22  Paulo Ferreira
CB 2    Jorge Costa (c)  77'
CB 4    Ricardo Carvalho
LB 8    Nuno Valente  29'
DM 6   Costinha
RM 23  Pedro Mendes
LM 18  Maniche
AM 10  Deco   85'
CF 11  Derlei   78'
CF 19  Carlos Alberto  40'  60'
Substitutes:
GK 1  Nuno
DF 5   Ricardo Costa
DF 17  José Bosingwa
MF 3   Pedro Emanuel   85'
MF 15  Dmitri Alenichev   60'
FW 9  Edgaras Jankauskas
FW 77  Benni McCarthy