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« on: August 18, 2012, 09:40:39 AM »
U.S. TV limited for La Liga, Serie A
 
August 17, 2012
 
By Associated Press
 
NEW YORK -- Lionel Messi's and Cristiano Ronaldo's league matches will disappear from the television sets of many American soccer fans, starting this weekend.

With new limited TV rights for La Liga and Serie A, TV viewers will see little of Leo Messi and Ronaldo.

That's because the U.S. television rights to Spain's La Liga have switched from GolTV to the new beIN Sport USA network, launched this week by the Al-Jazeera Sport Media Network and available in only about 8 million homes to viewers of DirecTV and DISH Network.

And it's not just Spain's soccer that is affected.

Italy's Serie A, France's Ligue 1, England's second-tier League Championship and England's League Cup also have moved to high-spending beIN Sport, which is taking over all of them from News Corp.'s Fox Soccer.

"The ratings are going to be so low that they will be almost unmeasurable," said Marc Ganis of the Chicago-based Sports Corp. Ltd., consulting firm. "Considering the push that European soccer is making in the United States, taking additional money and losing exposure becomes fools' gold. They need to have a long-term strategy, not short-term."

The new network will not be rated by Nielsen at the start, but hopes to be at some point, according to managing director Yousef Al Obaidly. It also will be available online to authenticated subscribers of DirecTV and DISH.

"There will be more announcements coming soon," he said Thursday. "We are in a discussion with all the cable operators. Hopefully, we can reach an agreement so we can keep everyone happy."

La Liga kicks off this weekend, and while Barcelona and Real Madrid will surely battle for top spot, the league is as competitive as ever, writes Graham Hunter. Blog »

Now that the European seasons are starting, at least some clubs are worried their leagues made a mistake by taking dollars over distribution. Complicating the matter, a dispute broke out in Spain, with some clubs saying their television rights were sold by a company that doesn't own them.

"I know Madrid and Barcelona are already concerned by what has happened domestically," AC Milan director Umberto Gandini said in a telephone interview. "We were trying to maximize revenues ahead of visibility. Frankly speaking, we were not aware of such difficulties reaching viewers in the United States and the fact that we are going to be penalized highly by the difference in viewership."

The big Spanish and Italian clubs will have their Champions League and Europa League midweek games available in the U.S. on Fox. In addition, RAI USA distributes Serie A matches with Italian commentary and Ligue 1 games will be available with Spanish commentary on Univision Deportes.

All of this could make the U.S. market a soccer Tower of Babel.

"It's a complicated situation," Real Madrid's Jose Mourinho said. "I'm glad I'm just a coach and no more than that, and I think about football and the game and prepare my team."

The English Premier League, which has the biggest American following, sells its international rights directly. Serie A, which didn't centralize rights as a league until just a few years ago, sells them through the agency MP & Silva. La Liga sells them through Mediapro -- but until an agreement this week to share domestic rights for three seasons, rival Prisa claimed it represented nine of the 20 clubs.

Imagina USA, a Miami-based company that is part of the Mediapro Group, is beIN Sports' production partner. The English network launched Aug. 3 in an online preview at www.beinsport.tv and beIN Sport announced Wednesday -- the official launch date -- it will be carried on DirecTV's sports tier in high and standard definition and beIN Sport en Espanol will be distributed on DirecTV Mas in standard definition. A day later, it said DISH Network will televise beIN Sport on its America's Top 250 and DISHLatino packages.

Looming ahead is bidding for the U.S. rights to the Premier League. Networks anticipate a request for proposal next month for the package starting in 2013-14 and running for three seasons. Fox currently holds the rights and sublicenses some to ESPN and ESPN Deportes.

"We might get into it. We might not," Al Obaidly said. "We have to look into scheduling and financials."

The EPL averaged 185,000 viewers for 118 live telecasts on Fox Soccer last year, 321,000 for 48 broadcasts on ESPN2/ESPN and 58,000 for 54 games on ESPN Deportes, according to data from Nielsen Media Research and the networks. Serie A averaged 54,000 viewers for 96 live telecasts on Fox and Ligue 1 53,000 for four broadcasts on Fox.

GolTV averaged just 29,000 viewers for 75 La Liga telecasts among its Hispanic audience, the only portion Nielsen measures. ESPN Deportes averaged 115,000 people in its Hispanic audience for La Liga, but viewers swelled to an average of 770,000 for the two league "clasicos" between Real Madrid and Barcelona.

"It's going probably from a better distributed network to lesser distributed network," said Lino Garcia, general manager of ESPN Deportes. "Therein lies the real difference to the viewer. Some of this product is going to be unavailable to many fans for which it was available to before."

Without La Liga, GolTV's only European league is the German Bundesliga, which had a rating in the network's Hispanic audience that was too low to measure. There has been speculation that beIN Sport USA would like to take over GolTV, if the price is right.

Play-by-play man Phil Schoen and highly excitable color commentator Ray Hudson have moved from GolTV to beIN Sport.

"GolTV has greatly enhanced its portfolio of soccer from the Americas," Rodrigo Lombello, GolTV's chief operating officer, said in a statement. "Reaching new agreements to air matches from the Argentinian, Brazilian and Mexican club leagues, Gillette Brazil World Tour, CONCACAF tournaments and even the U.S. Open Cup, the network has placed an emphasis on this region in the past year as the United States Hispanic population continues to grow."

Qatar, where Al-Jazeera is based, is making a giant push in soccer. Qatar beat out the U.S. two years ago in bidding to host the 2022 World Cup, and the Qatar Investment Authority took control of Paris Saint-Germain and has spent about $200 million in transfer fees for players to strengthen its roster.

In France, Al-Jazeera bought rights to Ligue 1's Friday and Sunday night package from 2012-16; to most Champions League games from 2012-15; and to the 2012 and 2016 European Championship tournaments. In Spain, Barcelona agreed last year to a five-year, 170 million euro (then $225 million) sponsorship deal to carry the Qatar Foundation logo on its famous blue and red jerseys.

If the Premier League wants both beIN Sport's money and greater distribution, it could split its American rights into different packages for different time slots, as it does in Britain and as several U.S. leagues do at home. Premier League chief executive Richard Scudamore declined to comment ahead of the bidding.

"They are a little bit more sophisticated than us because they have been on the market as a collective-selling entity far longer than us," Milan's Gandini said. "We are still very far behind the Premier League."

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Re: U.S. TV limited for La Liga, Serie A....Is Salt
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2012, 10:05:27 AM »
Oh boy!  :cursing:


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« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2012, 11:32:23 AM »
 :cursing:

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« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2012, 11:43:58 AM »
well guys, to my surprise, thursday I flicking the channels and I gone to 620(Golt-tv) and I seeing Ligue1. I say that is a passing fad because it has happened before. Then I went to 621 and it says GOL-tv is now on 627. I riding with the flow. I have no control over these big money people.With the drop of a billion dollars they can make a man purge he own family. 3 football channels now. Plus the 2 Mexican network showing Mex. league. Only 24 hrs in the day.

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« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2012, 02:39:19 PM »
I still getting it... and GOL, so I good.  Hopefully more broadcasts will be in actual HD unlike with GOL.

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« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2012, 02:42:19 PM »
i have time warner cable and we does only get fsc...but fellas after today's goals on sunday episdoe with them men talking  a pack of lala i looking for some other options oui.  rojadirecta.es does normally work for me but i will keep searching.

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« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2012, 04:07:35 PM »
i have time warner cable and we does only get fsc...but fellas after today's goals on sunday episdoe with them men talking  a pack of lala i looking for some other options oui.  rojadirecta.es does normally work for me but i will keep searching.

Haha you good giving Dolan yuh money... ah hope yuh not under contract and could leave whenever yuh ready, lol

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« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2012, 05:59:58 AM »
i have time warner cable and we does only get fsc...but fellas after today's goals on sunday episdoe with them men talking  a pack of lala i looking for some other options oui.  rojadirecta.es does normally work for me but i will keep searching.

Haha you good giving Dolan yuh money... ah hope yuh not under contract and could leave whenever yuh ready, lol


That's Cablevision u thinking of.
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« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2012, 10:33:02 AM »
this have me considering a switch from comcast yes.

also missing mih T&F since they lose universal sports too.

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« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2012, 12:31:26 PM »
and they buying more.


NEW YORK (AP) -- Add U.S. road World Cup qualifiers to the soccer games many American television viewers may not be able to see.
The new beIN Sport network said Wednesday it had acquired rights to U.S. road qualifiers this year and next along with all other qualifiers in the North and Central American and Caribbean region for the 2014 tournament, except for matches involving Mexico.

The network, launched last week by the Al-Jazeera Sport Media Network, is available to only about 7 percent of U.S. television households - the 8 million homes that receive DirecTV and the DISH Network.

While the U.S. Soccer Federation owns rights to its home qualifiers, Traffic Sports USA bought rights to the road games from the CONCACAF nations that owned them, and Traffic resold them to beIN.

The U.S. has remaining road qualifiers this year in the semifinal round at Jamaica on Sept. 7 and at Antigua and Barbuda on Oct. 12.
In qualifying for the 2010 World Cup, eight matches on ESPN2 averaged 787,000 viewers and two matches on ESPN averaged 734,000. The U.S. qualifier at Guatemala in June was resold from Traffic to Integrated Sports Media and available only on pay-per-view.

The new network also has rights to Spain's La Liga, Italy's Serie A, France's Ligue 1 and England's second-tier League Championship. In addition, it has rights to South American World Cup qualifiers and the 2015 Copa America.

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« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2012, 01:00:14 PM »
The rate Al-Jazeera going, they go buy Murdoch too!!!

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« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2012, 01:25:04 PM »
next purchase = www.socawarriors.net

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« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2012, 03:33:21 PM »
They buying up all these rights for kix or what? How they plan to make back all that money with such a small audience base? For the folks with satellite tv, is this channel PPV, an extra charge or bundled in with a sports package?

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« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2012, 08:28:24 PM »
They buying up all these rights for kix or what? How they plan to make back all that money with such a small audience base? For the folks with satellite tv, is this channel PPV, an extra charge or bundled in with a sports package?

Bundled...

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« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2012, 11:24:23 AM »
They buying up all these rights for kix or what? How they plan to make back all that money with such a small audience base? For the folks with satellite tv, is this channel PPV, an extra charge or bundled in with a sports package?

same scene with all them football side they buying - man city, psg, malaga. me eh know what the master plan is. must be toys?

u could do that when u have oil money. t&t government eh have nothing on de arabs.

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« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2012, 03:46:13 PM »
they reach agreement with comcast...largest cable provider in the US. hopefully soon they agree with NY providers like Cablevision and Time Warner
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« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2012, 11:44:52 AM »


AUGUST 25, 2012, 12:43 PM
U.S. Cup Qualifiers: The View From Traffic in Brazil

By JACK BELL
Last week's stunning announcement, at least to some in United States soccer circles, that the next two and possibly six away World Cup qualifying matches would be shown only on Al Jazeera's new network, beIN Sport, was not so bewildering in at least one quarter.

"Are American fans really upset? That would be a big surprise to me," Jochen Lösch, the president of international business for Traffic Sports Marketing, said in a telephone interview from company headquarters in Săo Paulo, Brazil. "We offered the matches to everyone, but the amount of money we got offered was simply to low."

The new beIN network, so far, has limited distribution through DirecTV and Dish Network. On Friday, Comcast announced it had picked up the channels, at a premium in its sports entertainment package, which means the game at Jamaica on Sept. 7 could be available in a total of 54 million homes. Traffic controlled the rights to the United States games and 28 other Concacaf qualifiers, except Mexico. For Cup qualifiers, nations only control the TV rights to games on their soil.

BeIN currently carries Spain's La Liga, France's Ligue 1, Italy's Serie A and South American World Cup qualifiers (except in Argentina), and has "messed up the market for everyone," according to a television industry insider to spoke on the condition of anonymity so as to not jeopardize future negotiations. The person said beIN paid double the $18 million fee GolTV had paid La Liga. "I think Traffic was looking for $500,000 a game," the person said.

Lösch would not confirm the sale price but did say that Traffic negotiated with Soccer United Marketing, the marketing arm of Major League Soccer that operates as the agent for U.S. Soccer - which would then fashion a deal with either ESPN, NBC Sports Network or Fox Soccer. Soccer United Marketing dropped out of negotiations because of the high price (in excess of $1 million according to an official with M.L.S. with knowledge of the talks, though Lösch disputed that figure).

"We negotiated with M.L.S. and SUM on behalf of ESPN, maybe the problem lies there," Lösch said. "I don't know if they understand the value of U.S. soccer." He added: "I'm a little surprised to hear people moaning about beIN. Everyone should be happy because they want to build a real football channel. No channel in the U.S. thinks they have to pay money for U.S. games. They seem to think there is not a big appeal. If now they are complaining, maybe they underestimated the value. I think everyone should be happy beIN is taking over. It's good for U.S. football."

The most recent United States World Cup qualifier, at Guatemala in June, was available for $30 only on pay-per-view. Lösch said that beIN was a better alternative, though nearly every cable system in the country offers pay-per-view events, if fans want to pay the freight.

"The North American audience should be happy that beIN entered the marketplace," he said. "Finally someone gives the performances of the national teams in the Concacaf region the value they deserve, especially the performances of Team U.S.A".

Copyright 2012 The New York Times

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« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2012, 02:24:14 PM »
they reach agreement with comcast...largest cable provider in the US. hopefully soon they agree with NY providers like Cablevision and Time Warner

in the meantime at least we could still get the spanish supercup part 2 on espn3.

it go be nice when we get this new station though.

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« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2012, 11:15:53 AM »
beinsport on comcast in plenty us markets now.

channel 547 in the north atlanta metro area. spanish only.

it not on comcast online channel listing though.

http://forums.comcast.com/t5/Channels-and-Programming/PLEASE-ADD-BEIN-SPORT-USA/td-p/1366415/page/7


 

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