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​ISIS in Iraq stinks of CIA/NATO ‘dirty war’ op
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William Engdahl is an award-winning geopolitical analyst and strategic risk consultant whose internationally best-selling books have been translated into thirteen foreign languages.


For days now, since their dramatic June 10 taking of Mosul, Western mainstream media have been filled with horror stories of the military conquests in Iraq of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, with the curious acronym ISIS.

ISIS, as in the ancient Egyptian cult of the goddess of fertility and magic. The media picture being presented adds up less and less.

Details leaking out suggest that ISIS and the major military ‘surge’ in Iraq - and less so in neighboring Syria - is being shaped and controlled out of Langley, Virginia, and other CIA and Pentagon outposts as the next stage in spreading chaos in the world’s second-largest oil state, Iraq, as well as weakening the recent Syrian stabilization efforts.

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The very details of the ISIS military success in the key Iraqi oil center, Mosul, are suspect. According to well-informed Iraqi journalists, ISIS overran the strategic Mosul region, site of some of the world’s most prolific oilfields, with barely a shot fired in resistance. According to one report, residents of Tikrit reported remarkable displays of “soldiers handing over their weapons and uniforms peacefully to militants who ordinarily would have been expected to kill government soldiers on the spot.”

We are told that ISIS masked psychopaths captured “arms and ammunition from the fleeing security forces” - arms and ammunition supplied by the American government. The offensive coincides with a successful campaign by ISIS in eastern Syria. According to Iraqi journalists, Sunni tribal chiefs in the region had been convinced to side with ISIS against the Shiite Al-Maliki government in Baghdad. They were promised a better deal under ISIS Sunni Sharia than with Baghdad anti-Sunni rule.

According to the New York Times, the mastermind behind the ISIS military success is former Baath Party head and Saddam Hussein successor, General Ibrahim al-Douri. Douri is reportedly the head of the Iraqi rebel group Army of the Men of the Naqshbandi Order as well as the Supreme Command for Jihad and Liberation based on his longstanding positions of leadership in the Naqshbandi sect in Iraq.

In 2009, US ‘Iraqi surge’ General David Petraeus, at the time heading the US Central Command, claimed to reporters that Douri was in Syria. Iraqi parliamentarians claimed he was in Qatar. The curious fact is that despite being on the US most wanted list since 2003, Douri has miraculously managed to avoid capture and now to return with a vengeance to retake huge parts of Sunni Iraq. Luck or well-placed friends in Washington?

The financial backing for ISIS jihadists reportedly also comes from three of the closest US allies in the Sunni world—Kuwait, Qatar and Saudi Arabia.

US passports?
Key members of ISIS it now emerges were trained by US CIA and Special Forces command at a secret camp in Jordan in 2012, according to informed Jordanian officials. The US, Turkish and Jordanian intelligence were running a training base for the Syrian rebels in the Jordanian town of Safawi in the country’s northern desert region, conveniently near the borders to both Syria and Iraq. Saudi Arabia and Qatar, the two Gulf monarchies most involved in funding the war against Syria’s Assad, financed the Jordan ISIS training.

Advertised publicly as training of ‘non-extremist’ Muslim jihadists to wage war against the Syrian Bashar Assad regime, the secret US training camps in Jordan and elsewhere have trained perhaps several thousand Muslim fighters in techniques of irregular warfare, sabotage and general terror. The claims by Washington that they took special care not to train ‘Salafist’ or jihadist extremists, is a joke. How do you test if a recruit is not a jihadist? Is there a special jihad DNA that the CIA doctors have discovered?


Jordanian government officials are revealing the details, in fear that the same ISIS terrorists that today are slashing heads of ‘infidels’ alongside the roadways of Mosul by the dozens, or hundreds if we believe their own propaganda, might turn their swords towards Jordan’s King Abdullah soon, to extend their budding Caliphate empire.

Former US State Department official Andrew Doran wrote in the conservative National Review magazine that some ISIS warriors also hold US passports. Now, of course that doesn’t demonstrate and support by the Obama Administration. Hmm...

Iranian journalist Sabah Zanganeh notes, "ISIS did not have the power to occupy and conquer Mosul by itself. What has happened is the result of security-intelligence collaborations of some regional countries with some extremist groups inside the Iraqi government."

Iraq’s Chechen commander
The next bizarre part of the ISIS puzzle involves the Jihadist credited with being the ‘military mastermind’ of the recent ISIS victories, Tarkhan Batirashvili. If his name doesn’t sound very Arabic, it’s because it’s not. Tarkhan Batrashvili is a Russian - actually an ethnic Chechen from near the Chechen border to Georgia. But to give himself a more Arabic flair, he also goes by the name Emir (what else?) Umar al Shishani. The problem is he doesn’t look at all Arabic. No dark swarthy black beard: rather a long red beard, a kind of Chechen Barbarossa.

According to a November, 2013 report in The Wall Street Journal, Emir Umar or Batrashvili as you prefer, has made the wars in Syria and Iraq “into a geopolitical struggle between the US and Russia.”

That has been the objective of leading neo-conservatives in the CIA, Pentagon and State Department all along. The CIA transported hundreds of Mujahideen Saudis and other foreign veterans of the 1980s Afghan war against the Soviets in Afghanistan into Chechnya to disrupt the struggling Russia in the early 1990s, particularly to sabotage the Russian oil pipeline running directly from Baku on the Caspian Sea into Russia. James Baker III and his friends in Anglo-American Big Oil had other plans. It was called the BTC pipeline, owned by a BP-US oil consortium and running through Tbilisi into NATO-member Turkey, free of Russian territory.

Batrashvili is not renowned for taking care. Last year he was forced to apologize when he ordered his men to behead a wounded ‘enemy’ soldier who turned out to be an allied rebel commander. More than 8,000 foreign Jihadist mercenaries are reportedly in ISIS including at least 1,000 Chechens as well as Jihadists Saudi, Kuwait, Egypt and reportedly Chinese Uyghur from Xinjiang Province.

Jeffrey Silverman, Georgia Bureau Chief for the US-based Veterans Today (VT) website, told me that Batrashvili “is a product of a joint program of the US through a front NGO called Jvari, which was set up by US Intelligence and the Georgian National Security Council, dating back to the early days of the Pankisi Gorge.”

Jvari is the name as well of a famous Georgian Orthodox monastery of the 6th century. According to Silverman, David J. Smith—head of something in Tbilisi called the Georgian Foundation for Strategic and International Studies, as well as the Potomac Institute in Washington where he is listed as Director of the Potomac Institute Cyber Centerr—played a role in setting up the Jvari NGO.

Silverman maintains that Jvari in Rustavi, near the capital, Tbilisi, gathered together Afghan Mujahideen war veterans, Chechens, Georgians and sundry Arab Jihadists. They were sent to the infamous Pankisi Gorge region, a kind-of no-man’s lawless area, for later deployment, including Iraq and Syria.

Batrashvili and other Georgian and Chechen Russian-speaking Jihadists, Silverman notes, are typically smuggled, with the assistance of Georgia’s Counterintelligence Department and the approval of the US embassy, across the Georgia border to Turkey at the Vale crossing point, near Georgia’s Akhaltsikhe and the Turkish village of Türkgözü on the Turkish side of the Georgian border. From there it’s very little problem getting them through Turkey to either Mosul in Iraq or northeast Syria.

Silverman believes that events in Northern Iraq relate to “wanting to have a Kurdish Republic separate from the Central government and this is all part of the New Great Game. It will serve US interests in both Turkey and Iraq, not to mention Syria.”

Very revealing is the fact that almost two weeks after the dramatic fall of Mosul and the ‘capture’ by ISIS forces of the huge weapons and military vehicle resources provided by the US to the Iraqi army. Washington has done virtually nothing but make a few silly speeches about their ‘concern’ and dispatch 275 US special forces to allegedly protect US personnel in Iraq.

Whatever the final details that emerge, what is clear in the days since the fall of Mosul is that some of the world’s largest oilfields in Iraq are suddenly held by Jihadists and no longer by an Iraqi government determined to increase the oil export significantly.

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Hmmmmm interesting ....

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Another nutjob, the first line is the funniest

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Surprised so little posted about ISIS. Not a piece on James Foley. Maybe Al Sharpton need to go Iraq.

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Another nutjob, the first line is the funniest

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William Engdahl is an award-winning geopolitical analyst and strategic risk consultant whose internationally best-selling books have been translated into thirteen foreign languages.
so just cause the man have a different look at things he is a nut job?
you ever take the time to look at things without having a preconceived notion?
where you does get your news from?

The US government and their Middle east allies created ISIS same way they created the Muhajideen back in the 80's.
People bitching bout Obama not doing anything...fact is he can't, he just continuing the plan that Bush started lol

its not coincidence that the US has a black president who's past is so murky and has Muslim ties just by his name...that is more than enough to keep the white population agitated.
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What is so murky about Obama's past.

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so just cause the man have a different look at things he is a nut job?
you ever take the time to look at things without having a preconceived notion?

It generally saves time to filter out individuals known for having wholly biased and unreliable view points - now of course that doesn't mean they're wrong every time, but this individual routinely rejects science in favour of pro-corporate, pro-Russian interest party lines. The guy believes oil is not created from biological material and denies climate change - he cares not for the truth and has repeatedly shown intellectual dishonesty in his arguments.

where you does get your news from?

A number of sources, depending on the topic, preferring individuals with a background and experience that suggests they know what they're talking about. This sentence sounds bitchy but I promise it's not, just the only way to say it on the internet lol. I basically select sources based on whether I think they're 1) qualified (and thus have the knowledge and/or experience to be trustworthy on the matter) and 2) in proportion to their bias (bias is always present in the news, so if possible I prefer rigorous academic journals, but obviously they cannot be as current as news media, so I prefer organisations that have typically allowed their journalists editorial freedom such as The Guardian and The Independent).


The US government and their Middle east allies created ISIS same way they created the Muhajideen back in the 80's.
People bitching bout Obama not doing anything...fact is he can't, he just continuing the plan that Bush started lol

ISIS wasn't created in the same was as the Muhajideen - they received weapons directly from the US and UK during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan (SIRI have an excellent database of arms deals that catalogue these trades). ISIS (ironically, given the meaning of Mujahideen) has a stronger religious tradition imo - the Mujahideen were clearly formed of a resistance to foreign invasion and occupation, whilst ISIS was created from the beginning with the aim of forming an Islamic State in opposition to President Assad. Moreover, they were hostile with competing rebel factions from the start, something that appeared later for the Mujahideen.

On Obama, he's certainly the most conservative Republican president ever imo. Historials will look at his record on drone strikes with disdain I'm sure


its not coincidence that the US has a black president who's past is so murky and has Muslim ties just by his name...that is more than enough to keep the white population agitated.

"Has Muslim ties"? Oh you're a right-wing nut, I should of just not bothered, so impervious to logic you must be to believe all that bollocks. Lemme guess, he's a Kenyan Muslim subverting the Presidency?

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its not coincidence that the US has a black president who's past is so murky and has Muslim ties just by his name...that is more than enough to keep the white population agitated.


Feliz yuh living too long up in de cold with dem Vikings, lol

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Trini Involved in Beheading
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/videos/-Trini-Involved-in-Beheading--2503----272965581.html?m=y&smobile=y
Story Updated: Aug 27, 2014

For the last few days the American media have been carrying stories about beheaded journalist, James Foley, who was murdered by Islamic State of Iraq & Al-Sham (ISIS). The ongoing Syria war has also seen several citizens beheaded by the same terrorist group. TV 6 in an exclusive investigative story a few months ago  entitled "Jihadists Among Us", reported that  Trinidadians might have quite possibly formed part of the Anti-Assad movement in Syria. Tonight it appears that a man with a Trinidadian accent was caught on tape in the beheading of a Syrian citizen a few months ago.

(TV6 video included in link)

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Hmmm...

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The CIA transported hundreds of Mujahideen Saudis and other foreign veterans of the 1980s Afghan war against the Soviets in Afghanistan into Chechnya to disrupt the struggling Russia in the early 1990s, particularly to sabotage the Russian oil pipeline running directly from Baku on the Caspian Sea into Russia.

Sounds like something similar will be taking place in Siberia...

From Siberia to Kaliningrad: the fledgling independence movements gaining traction in RussiaMoscow appears to have blocked efforts hold a march in favour of Siberian independence this weekend, but that doesn’t mean the sentiment isn’t spreading, writes Paul Goble


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/15/russia-fledgling-independence-movements

Does this have anything to do with Russo-China agreement to build a gas pipeline to China through Siberia?
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Trini Involved in Beheading in Syria ??
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2014, 07:27:39 PM »
Trini Involved in Beheading in Syria ..??
Story Created: Aug 27, 2014 at 9:19 PM ECT
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http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/-Trini-Involved-in-Beheading--2503----272965581.html

For the last few days the American media have been carrying stories about beheaded journalist, James Foley, who was murdered by Islamic State of Iraq & Al-Sham (ISIS). The ongoing Syria war has also seen several citizens beheaded by the same terrorist group. TV 6 in an exclusive investigative story a few months ago entitled "Jihadists Among Us", reported that Trinidadians might have quite possibly formed part of the Anti-Assad movement in Syria. Tonight it appears that a man with a Trinidadian accent was caught on tape in the beheading of a Syrian citizen a few months ago.



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Re: Trini Involved in Beheading ??
« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2014, 07:28:08 PM »


A Trini ..oh nooooooooo

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ah next journo get killed. biden follow that up with a "tough" speech which serves to underscore how no action happening.

ah mean, what journalist dey have to behead before obama break out a strategy? ah figure nothing less than a sports journalist would have to die before obama decide he have to do something. someone like a jason whitlock. till then, no strategy necessary since no action forthcoming.

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Re: Trini Involved in Beheading in Syria ??
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2014, 03:30:36 AM »
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What is your strategy.  You could pay ransom money or bomb them into submission. That includes killing civilians. At the means time all Americans should stay out of the war zones. Well unless they are CIA.
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What is your strategy.  You could pay ransom money or bomb them into submission. That includes killing civilians. At the means time all Americans should stay out of the war zones. Well unless they are CIA.

Doh study them... the "no strategy" thing has been explored and explained as being specific and limited to the threat in Syria, yet Republicans and other mindless idiots (aye aye... ribbit dai'z you??) still clinging onto that for dear life.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/03/politics/obama-isis-response/index.html

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so just cause the man have a different look at things he is a nut job?
you ever take the time to look at things without having a preconceived notion?

It generally saves time to filter out individuals known for having wholly biased and unreliable view points - now of course that doesn't mean they're wrong every time, but this individual routinely rejects science in favour of pro-corporate, pro-Russian interest party lines. The guy believes oil is not created from biological material and denies climate change - he cares not for the truth and has repeatedly shown intellectual dishonesty in his arguments.

where you does get your news from?

A number of sources, depending on the topic, preferring individuals with a background and experience that suggests they know what they're talking about. This sentence sounds bitchy but I promise it's not, just the only way to say it on the internet lol. I basically select sources based on whether I think they're 1) qualified (and thus have the knowledge and/or experience to be trustworthy on the matter) and 2) in proportion to their bias (bias is always present in the news, so if possible I prefer rigorous academic journals, but obviously they cannot be as current as news media, so I prefer organisations that have typically allowed their journalists editorial freedom such as The Guardian and The Independent).


The US government and their Middle east allies created ISIS same way they created the Muhajideen back in the 80's.
People bitching bout Obama not doing anything...fact is he can't, he just continuing the plan that Bush started lol

ISIS wasn't created in the same was as the Muhajideen - they received weapons directly from the US and UK during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan (SIRI have an excellent database of arms deals that catalogue these trades). ISIS (ironically, given the meaning of Mujahideen) has a stronger religious tradition imo - the Mujahideen were clearly formed of a resistance to foreign invasion and occupation, whilst ISIS was created from the beginning with the aim of forming an Islamic State in opposition to President Assad. Moreover, they were hostile with competing rebel factions from the start, something that appeared later for the Mujahideen.

On Obama, he's certainly the most conservative Republican president ever imo. Historials will look at his record on drone strikes with disdain I'm sure


its not coincidence that the US has a black president who's past is so murky and has Muslim ties just by his name...that is more than enough to keep the white population agitated.

"Has Muslim ties"? Oh you're a right-wing nut, I should of just not bothered, so impervious to logic you must be to believe all that bollocks. Lemme guess, he's a Kenyan Muslim subverting the Presidency?
you seriously pick apart everything I said word for word? lol...OK    :-\
Didn't think me saying ISIS and Muhajideen were "formed the same way" needed further explaining though since my main point there was the instigation/involvement of the US.

So yuh saying normal Christian people does name their child Barrack Hussein?...well if that is not Muslim ties? I ent know what to say  ;D

A right wing nut? yuh forget to add 'White' and 'Christian' to that statement lol
but then again I'm as Liberal as they come  ;)

carry on  :beermug:
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What is your strategy.  You could pay ransom money or bomb them into submission. That includes killing civilians. At the means time all Americans should stay out of the war zones. Well unless they are CIA.

Why is it people continue to lower the bar when it come to this president? Now his administration don't even have to plan.

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What is your strategy.  You could pay ransom money or bomb them into submission. That includes killing civilians. At the means time all Americans should stay out of the war zones. Well unless they are CIA.

Why is it people continue to lower the bar when it come to this president? Now his administration don't even have to plan.

I eh lowering no bar for the President. Honestly speaking, you think they don't have a plan. Barak chose the wrong words. You think them generals in the Pentagon eh have plans ready. ISIS baiting the American public with the executions. They want the US to bring back the troops so that they can fight a guerrilla war . Dude is over 12 years this country fighting 2 wars. You eh friggin tired.
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What is your strategy.  You could pay ransom money or bomb them into submission. That includes killing civilians. At the means time all Americans should stay out of the war zones. Well unless they are CIA.

Why is it people continue to lower the bar when it come to this president? Now his administration don't even have to plan.

I eh lowering no bar for the President. Honestly speaking, you think they don't have a plan. Barak chose the wrong words. You think them generals in the Pentagon eh have plans ready. ISIS baiting the American public with the executions. They want the US to bring back the troops so that they can fight a guerrilla war . Dude is over 12 years this country fighting 2 wars. You eh friggin tired.

deeks, i do not see any thought-out planning in how this administration has handled events outside of the usa. obama did not have meaningful foreign policy experience on his team from day one. this is just events overwhelming the administration's meagre capabilities sad to say. pretending they doing a good job and need to be shielded from criticism is lowering the bar.

here a recent MTP interview:

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listen to all the pauses when discussing james foley. obama went and played golf after that - he doh give a sh*t. this is not a priority for him - doh pretend it is.
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Re: Trini Involved in Beheading in Syria ??
« Reply #21 on: September 13, 2014, 12:41:41 PM »
Oy vey
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‘50 Trinis fighting with ISIS terrorists in Syria’
« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2014, 06:57:02 AM »
‘50 Trinis fighting with ISIS terrorists in Syria’
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Story Created: Sep 25, 2014 at 10:25 PM ECT
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At least 50 Trinidadians have flown to Syria to join the terrorist organisation Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) within the last several months.

Intelligence sources as well as those in a certain religious sect have confirmed the local fighters have been leaving the country to head to Syria over the last few months.

Minister of National Security Gary Griffith when contacted about this several weeks ago stated, “ I will neither confirm or deny this.”

On TV6’s Morning Edition yesterday, Griffith, however, said, “Trinidad and Tobago must never be seen or believe we are isolated in anyway from global terrorism.”

Griffith said this was the reason the Government has been trying to introduce electronic fingerprint technology for those entering the country. “If you put fingerprints there we are following the trail of individuals based on a watch list worldwide,” he said.

Director of National Security Operations Centre (NOC), Garvin Heerah, who spoke to the Express yesterday, said, “That situation has engaged the attention of the intelligence agencies of Trinidad and Tobago. And at this point we are unable to give a figure as such, but it is something being worked on fervently.”

Heerah said because of the recent resolution that Trinidad and Tobago agreed to co-sponsor the UN Security Council resolution on foreign terrorist fighters, he had to be very limited in the information he revealed.

“We are working hand in hand with our international partners,”said Heerah.

Intelligence, airport security sources and sources within a religious sect confirmed that many of the men and in some cases women and children have left using the route through Tobago, onward to England and then arriving in Turkey where the men cross the border, while women and children stay in Turkey.

The pattern of travel is a bit tricky, according to Heerah who said: “We are waiting further information. The reason for that is the disguised method of departure in that the departure out of Trinidad is not say through Piarco and then straight to a destination, it is staggered.”

Heerah explained that the Trinidadians were also using South American destinations and other Caribbean islands to depart from as they attempted to conceal their footprints and their final destination.

One woman who was recently part of the delegation held in Venezuela and sent back home left through Tobago for England then onward to Turkey, sources said.

“She also travelled with her four children ages three, four, five and nine and is now near the border of Syria, while her husband, also a Trinidadian, had been questioned as one of the men in the plot to assassinate the Prime Minister during the state of emergency and also had other pending charges is in Syria fighting for ISIS. In fact information we received is that he could be the Trinidadian voice behind a recent video in which a Syrian citizen was beheaded,” a well-placed source said.

Top ranking intelligence sources also reliably informed the Express as well as members of a certain religious sect that they had received credible information about certain men recruiting locally for ISIS.

One of the men who could be recruiting is from the Rio Claro area. A source said, “I know one man who has already gone and two of his brothers are supposed to leave soon to go to Syria to join him.”

Heerah confirmed that there were several persons locally on their radar: “There are persons of interest of which presently information is being gathered that may have an involvement, so I am not denying what you are saying.”

The local fighters are paid US$1,000 per day for fighting for ISIS.

Trinidad and Tobago on Wednesday became a co-sponsor of a binding resolution compelling countries to stop their citizens leaving their homelands to join ISIS and other militant groups based in the Middle East and block them from returning to threaten their native countries using passports already granted.


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Oh my ..not good...

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Re: ‘50 Trinis fighting with ISIS terrorists in Syria’
« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2014, 11:00:40 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8TLu514EgU

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Re: ‘50 Trinis fighting with ISIS terrorists in Syria’
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Oh my ..not good...

When they get in trouble I hope they don't call the TT govt to come and bail them out.

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so the primary target in the latest air strikes in syria was the "kouresan" group. there were zero articles mentioning this group prior to the announcement from obama. and different officials are saying different things on whether this group was an imminent threat (they probably don't know for sure). this seem like a smokescreen.

and now obama blaming us intel for underestimating isis (not the kouresan group). former intel chiefs are calling :bs: on being thrown under the bus. they saying the potus was suffciently briefed to make a reasoned determination.

there is a consistent pattern of blame-shifting by obama over the last 6 years. is either his fault or he cyah staff a team of professionals - i think the latter is more likely the case. either reason - obama will not be the person to resolve these us adventures satisfactorily. the pivot is dead. the usa better prepare for a generation in the middle east until the demographies shift. too many unemployed young males in that region - they will be warring for a good while yet.

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Re: ‘50 Trinis fighting with ISIS terrorists in Syria’
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I eh think trini ripped enough to flex they "world dominance muscles"
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look like former CIA head leon panetta come out with public criticism of obama's handling of syria and iraq. right before elections too. obama's "red lines" will be his foreign policy legacy. panetta is not the only one as well - former middle east envoy also talking out of school how us credibility has been shredded by obama.

this pivot to asia will have consequences. bet that saudi gets nukes in a few years. will be interesting to see if it worth the price.

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Unless yuh fighting war yuh doh have a foreign policy plan. How simple these people are.

Freaking John McCain couldn't identify ISIS. Ribbit, Who is ISIS? Where are they located? What numbers do they have in their ranks? What military equipment do they have? Which country are they?
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