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Title: Traffic & Accident Thread
Post by: kandi_tt on August 04, 2006, 02:18:38 PM
To those travelling to South from North of the Caroni Bridge this afternoon,


I understand that the traffic has piled up to the Grand Bazaar from Munroe Road flyover.
There is a massive protest arising out of the shooting of the fisherman by the Coast Guard
and I am told the Abu Bakr will be present done there, all the reason for this pile-up!!!

Alternative route: Thru ‘ Kay-Donna and the old Southern Main Road.

SAFE DRIVE!
Title: Re: SOUTHBOUND...traffic galore....protest pt 2
Post by: capodetutticapi on August 04, 2006, 02:25:02 PM
abu come outta jail?when?
Title: Re: SOUTHBOUND...traffic galore....protest pt 2
Post by: kandi_tt on August 04, 2006, 02:26:28 PM
abu come outta jail?when?

ent he on bail.......
Title: Re: SOUTHBOUND...traffic galore....protest pt 2
Post by: capodetutticapi on August 04, 2006, 02:30:19 PM
ok,i thought they deny bail
Title: Re: SOUTHBOUND...traffic galore....protest pt 2
Post by: kandi_tt on August 04, 2006, 02:31:44 PM
well i dunno...but i get meh traffic info from trinituner..

ah just call someone on d highway an dey say dey aint seeing nuttin beside d normal traffic...
Title: Re: SOUTHBOUND...traffic galore....protest pt 2
Post by: berris on August 04, 2006, 02:34:04 PM
I had to check ah tort ah was in de wrong forum ....aaamm wha dis have tuh do wid football .... ??? ???
Title: Re: SOUTHBOUND...traffic galore....protest pt 2
Post by: TriniCana on August 04, 2006, 10:14:46 PM
Mister Berris....anything does discuss in dey General forum
most definitely slackness and idleness.

it so happen dat Chicklet Kandi does give we ball by ball  play information bout dey scenes in TNT
dey last play was when dem scafholding and dem fall down and man break dey ass.

by next week she go tell we who bathing just by watch dey color ah dey water....




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Title: Re: SOUTHBOUND...traffic galore....protest pt 2
Post by: warmonga on August 05, 2006, 04:07:30 PM
I vote for Miss Berris fi be a moderater...this fool look like sey she love she cyber war...
warmonga..
Title: Re: SOUTHBOUND...traffic galore....protest pt 2
Post by: kandi_tt on August 07, 2006, 06:45:56 AM
Mister Berris....anything does discuss in dey General forum
most definitely slackness and idleness.

it so happen dat Chicklet Kandi does give we ball by ball play information bout dey scenes in TNT
dey last play was when dem scafholding and dem fall down and man break dey ass.

by next week she go tell we who bathing just by watch dey color ah dey water....




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Cana gurl ah go leave dis one till yuh come trini...when is that??

berris is ah man or oman...ah seeing reference to both in dis post so ah confused...

but anways BERRIS...it nah football related...but it have real people on dis here forum that doh even know it have general discsussin, joke, cricket board etc....

so ah does post the ASAP current affairs over dey for high readership...it does get moved afters....

 :angel: :angel: :angel:
Title: Re: SOUTHBOUND...traffic galore....protest pt 2
Post by: kandi_tt on August 07, 2006, 08:07:34 AM
Mister Berris....anything does discuss in dey General forum
most definitely slackness and idleness.

it so happen dat Chicklet Kandi does give we ball by ball play information bout dey scenes in TNT
dey last play was when dem scafholding and dem fall down and man break dey ass.

by next week she go tell we who bathing just by watch dey color ah dey water....

Doh worry wid people who ponging yuh because yuh topic not bout football, whether it under de wrong heading or not. Yuh ever meet two trini who doing anyting, whether dey playing cards or fishing and doh end up talking bout someting else? You do yuh do girl.




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Cana gurl ah go leave dis one till yuh come trini...when is that??

berris is ah man or oman...ah seeing reference to both in dis post so ah confused...

but anways BERRIS...it nah football related...but it have real people on dis here forum that doh even know it have general discsussin, joke, cricket board etc....

so ah does post the ASAP current affairs over dey for high readership...it does get moved afters....

 :angel: :angel: :angel:

at think yuh forget yuh post....
Title: Re: SOUTHBOUND...traffic galore....protest pt 2
Post by: cocoapanyol on August 07, 2006, 10:06:48 AM
is not dat ah fuhget it yuh know.  Ah fine sometimes dis ting does work and odder times it doh work.  Especially if de quote long.  Steups.

Anyway...ah was jus telling yuh tuh doh bodder wid de person who complaining bout whether yuh post is bout football or not.  Ah sure people home glad fuh de heads up.  You keep up de communication.
Title: Highways and Roadways Thread.
Post by: Flex on August 31, 2006, 02:57:59 AM
Toll roadway to link Sando, Princes Town.
By: Juhel Browne (Express).
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An express highway between San Fernando and Princes Town is to be built by the Government at a cost of $824 million, of which $40 million will be allocated for the acquisition of private properties.
Works and Transport Minister Colm Imbert announced the ambitious and expensive project yesterday, adding the express highway, with a proposed speed limit of 110 kilometres an hour, would be the nation's first toll roadway, which means drivers would have to pay a fee to drive along it.
"There will be some form of cost recovery for this road. We do not believe, at this time, that we can recover the entire cost of the road, the tolls would be out of the reach of the ordinary person," Imbert said.
"So the tolls would be less than is required to recover the cost of the road, but the money that is going to be accumulated from the tolls on this road will be put to the maintenance of the road."
Speaking to reporters during yesterday's post-Cabinet news conference at Whitehall, Port of Spain, Imbert said the Cabinet decided to have an express highway constructed from San Fernando to Princes Town because of the significant amount of traffic between the two areas in South Trinidad.
He said the Cabinet's decision yesterday was based on several studies of the traffic between Mayaro and San Fernando, Mayaro to Rio Claro, Rio Claro to Princes Town and Princes Town to San Fernando.
"When the highway is completed, we expect it to take three years, the travel time between San Fernando and Princes Town will be reduced from the current 30 minutes to 10 minutes," he said.
"This highway is also being designed to a higher design speed than current highways it will be designed for a design speed of 110 kilometres an hour."
Imbert said tenders for the project should be issued by the end of this year, but did not say when it when construction would actually begin.
When the Express asked Imbert exactly how many properties would have to be acquired by the State to make way for the project, he said he could not give an exact figure.
"One of the decisions Cabinet took also was that all of the roads that are required for this project will be declared to be part of the national highway reserve, so there is some land acquisition to be done. There are some detailed surveys to be done and this is what we will be doing over the next two months as we refine and firm up the private/public partnership model that we're going to use," he said.
The Express also asked Imbert about the oversight for such a large and costly State project, given the $1.6 billion cost of the Piarco International Airport terminal building project, which had an original price tag of $600 million.
"This is going to be a private public partnership. It will be a fixed price," Imbert said.
"Because the private contractor, and certainly I would think that you are looking at international contractors in joint venture with locals for this project, and the price will be fixed so it will be up to the international contractor to ensure that the complete the project on time and within budget."
Title: Re: $824m to build highway.
Post by: monty on August 31, 2006, 12:24:39 PM
So we going to spend $824 million on a road that probably sees a modest amount of traffic? Kidnappers need to take a stand and put dey foot down. Kidnap these politicians and doh ask for ransom!

Three Highways To Be Built  (http://www.gov.tt/news/news_article.asp?id=4787)
Port of Spain, August 08, 2006: Construction work on three new highways running from San Fernando to Point Fortin, San Fernando to Mayaro and from Wallerfield to Manzanilla, the Churchill Roosevelt Highway extension, is scheduled to begin in 2007.

When completed, the freeways will reduce travel time across the island to one and a half hours or less.

According to Minister of Works and Transport, Colm Imbert, at a post Cabinet press conference on July 22 at Whitehall, international tenders have been invited for the San Fernando to Point Fortin projects and the associated roadworks, which will require the contractor to work at both sites simultaneously.

Imbert believes that having one contractor work on all projects in the south west peninsula at the same time will be more efficient and less time consuming than the traditional piecemeal approach used by government to build roadways. The design speed for the expressway will be 110 kmph/66mph and the entire project will take three to five years to complete.

The San Fernando to Mayaro highway will be built in two stages - from San Fernando to Rio Claro and from Princes Town to Mayaro. The new roadway will cut travel time from San Fernando to Mayaro to 30 minutes.

The extension of the Churchill Roosevelt Highway from Cumuto Road, where the new University of Trinidad and Tobago and the Tamana Technology Park are being built, will pass through Guaico in Sangre Grande and end at Manzanilla. The extension will lay the foundation for another road being planned between Guaico and Toco.

 
Title: Re: $824m to build highway.
Post by: Feliziano on August 31, 2006, 05:24:32 PM
so this means no more bar-hopping on the way to Mayaro from Sando?
what exactly is the point of building a higway from Wallerfield to Manzanilla?
all we doing is making people reach faster to all the areas where it have bottleneck..steups
plus we coulda build another tsunami shelter for that price  ;D
Title: Re: $824m to build highway.
Post by: Rastaman on August 31, 2006, 05:45:09 PM
Next a road between Trinidad and Tobago. ;D
Title: Re: $824m to build highway.
Post by: maxg on September 01, 2006, 07:47:20 AM
MADNESS...these politicians should really stik to cussin each other out and stop trying to think up of ways that would seem like they actually doing a job..limited use, and many roadways in dire need of repair and maintenance....Lawd
Title: Re: $824m to build highway.
Post by: capodetutticapi on September 01, 2006, 08:24:06 AM
Next a road between Trinidad and Tobago. ;D
nah this will be bad for tobago.leh we keep it clean.
Title: Re: $824m to build highway.
Post by: fishs on September 01, 2006, 08:26:54 AM
 
 A government minister is what ? 24,000.00 TTD a mth

 How de f**k yuh tink dey affording big house in glencoe , westmoorings driving around in Beemer 720i Mercs 800 series an ting.

 All dey need to do is fuh every big contract that give out like this  siphon a lil 10% and share it around , that lil amount dey could make almost untraceable. Unlike de other side dat felt dey could tief anyhow anytime.

 If ah man could give a half reason fuh building ah space station ... dey going to build dat
Title: Re: $824m to build highway.
Post by: monty on September 01, 2006, 08:36:58 AM

 If ah man could give a half reason fuh building ah space station ... dey going to build dat

A spacestation could help fight crime. In fact all your need is one.. it has a better view of the whole country. It saves us from having to purchase too many of those blimps. Criminals beware... Thunderbirds go!
Title: Re: $824m to build highway.
Post by: Dutty on September 01, 2006, 09:08:11 AM

 If ah man could give a half reason fuh building ah space station ... dey going to build dat

A spacestation could help fight crime. In fact all your need is one.. it has a better view of the whole country. It saves us from having to purchase too many of those blimps. Criminals beware... Thunderbirds go!

When yuh see Thunderbird 2 land in de middle of picton road lavantille.....is REAL presshah for all dem effin bandit oui


Thunderbird 4 could clean up de guns dat commin accross from venezuela.....and run dem bajan fishin boat
Title: Re: $824m to build highway.
Post by: monty on September 01, 2006, 09:38:30 AM

 If ah man could give a half reason fuh building ah space station ... dey going to build dat

A spacestation could help fight crime. In fact all your need is one.. it has a better view of the whole country. It saves us from having to purchase too many of those blimps. Criminals beware... Thunderbirds go!

When yuh see Thunderbird 2 land in de middle of picton road lavantille.....is REAL presshah for all dem effin bandit oui


Thunderbird 4 could clean up de guns dat commin accross from venezuela.....and run dem bajan fishin boat


All we can do is hope... I will start collecting as much Plasticine as possible.
Title: Re: $824m to build highway.
Post by: Rastaman on September 01, 2006, 02:14:53 PM

 If ah man could give a half reason fuh building ah space station ... dey going to build dat

A spacestation could help fight crime. In fact all your need is one.. it has a better view of the whole country. It saves us from having to purchase too many of those blimps. Criminals beware... Thunderbirds go!

When yuh see Thunderbird 2 land in de middle of picton road lavantille.....is REAL presshah for all dem effin bandit oui


Thunderbird 4 could clean up de guns dat commin accross from venezuela.....and run dem bajan fishin boat


All we can do is hope... I will start collecting as much Plasticine as possible.
Well I am donating all my son'e Plasticine......who else ???
Title: Re: $824m to build highway.
Post by: fishs on September 01, 2006, 10:31:50 PM

 If ah man could give a half reason fuh building ah space station ... dey going to build dat

A spacestation could help fight crime. In fact all your need is one.. it has a better view of the whole country. It saves us from having to purchase too many of those blimps. Criminals beware... Thunderbirds go!

When yuh see Thunderbird 2 land in de middle of picton road lavantille.....is REAL presshah for all dem effin bandit oui


Thunderbird 4 could clean up de guns dat commin accross from venezuela.....and run dem bajan fishin boat


All we can do is hope... I will start collecting as much Plasticine as possible.
Well I am donating all my son'e Plasticine......who else ???

 Allyuh ent easy , jus give dem they haf reason an den some. ;D ;D ;D
Title: German police get their phoney US Highway Patrolman
Post by: truetrini on November 23, 2006, 11:27:19 AM
German police get their phoney US Highway Patrolman
Thu Nov 23, 2006 7:55am ET

BERLIN (Reuters) - German traffic police were shocked to see a California Highway Patrol car cruising along the motorway, driven by a man dressed as an authentic American cop, authorities said on Thursday.

But they recovered sufficiently to book the 35-year-old Goettingen resident, whose uniform badge read "T.J. Lazer", for possessing a replica Smith & Wesson revolver without a license and having out-of-date registration plates.

"He was sitting at the wheel with his elbow on the window like in the best TV crime series," said Osthessen police spokesman Martin Schaefer.

"Because wearing such a uniform in public is also prohibited, he had to exchange it for civilian dress after a shopping trip with 'real' colleagues," he added.


The man told police he had been taking the 30-year-old vehicle to Bavaria to sell it and wanted to impress the buyer.


© Reuters 2006. All Rights Reserved.


Title: What happened to the Aranjuez Crash Thread?
Post by: Bitter on May 29, 2007, 07:45:57 AM
Moved?
Removed?
Censored?

Title: Re: What happened to the Aranjuez Crash Thread?
Post by: Jefferz on May 31, 2007, 02:53:33 PM
I havent been on the forum in ah whille... was in the dominican republic with my team playin football... heard the news on saturday...


John Mark Tang was my best friend...

well... im glad i didnt see any pictures... i couldnt have taken that... it was bad enough hearin the whispers...

the funeral was nice today and his parents are wonderful people... they're really strong too and I admire them greatly for their will...

may he rest in peace... always my brother... RIP JM.
Title: Re: What happened to the Aranjuez Crash Thread?
Post by: Bitter on June 02, 2007, 08:36:42 AM
Sorry to hear that boss.
I didn't mean to ask about the thread to cause pain, but I thought that there was a lively, thoughtful and necessary discussion about the madness that takes place on our roads every day.
condolences to the friends and families who have lost loved ones.
Title: Re: What happened to the Aranjuez Crash Thread?
Post by: Bitter on June 02, 2007, 08:38:06 AM
One positive step. Enforcement is another matter though...

Opposition votes with Govt to pass Breathalyser bill
Juhel Browne

Saturday, June 2nd 2007
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161156084
   

New legislation is to be created to better address reckless forms of driving such as speeding.

Opposition MPs yesterday voted with their Government counterparts to pass the Breathalyser bill in the House of Representatives.

All 29 of the 36 MPs present voted in favour of the bill which is officially titled the Motor Vehicles and Road Traffic (Amendment) Act and requires a special majority vote of the Parliament.

The Breathalyser bill, which was first debated in the Lower House last November, will now go to the Senate for debate.

The bill stipulates a prescribed alcohol limit that would be the equivalent of three beers and the new version will retain language in the existing legislation that bans driving under the influence of drugs as had been recommended by Opposition Leader Kamla Persad-Bissessar.

Works and Transport Minister Colm Imbert acknowledged the concerns raised by Opposition MPs that the bill was not the sole solution to the carnage on the nation's roads.

"It is the Government's intention to come within the next three to four months to deal with all of other elements of the Motor Vehicle and Road Traffic Act that deals with reckless driving," Imbert said.

He had earlier said that it would take at least three months after the bill is passed in the Senate to be proclaimed to allow for the necessary public education campaign and the required training of police officers in the use of the breathalysers.

Imbert said that legislation to deal with the concern of using cellular phones while driving raised by Opposition Barataria/San Juan MP Dr Fuad Khan will be next.

It was Opposition Leader Kamla Persad-Bissessar who first spoke of the need to deal with other forms of reckless driving after Imbert said statistics from experts showed that 30 per cent of all fatal and non-fatal road traffic accidents are caused by drunk drivers.

"There is a 70 per cent of road accidents, fatal road accidents, that we have to deal with. What about all the other reckless drivers who are not driving under the influence of alcohol who are causing accidents," Persad-Bissessar said.
Title: Re: What happened to the Aranjuez Crash Thread?
Post by: Trinione on June 02, 2007, 12:46:04 PM
"There is a 70 per cent of road accidents, fatal road accidents, that we have to deal with. What about all the other reckless drivers who are not driving under the influence of alcohol who are causing accidents," Persad-Bissessar said.

This is the major problem on the roads, yes drunk driving is a big thing to try to stop, but we really need to clamp down on the reckless men out there with no regard for the law or for anyone else on the roads!
- When man driving on the wrong side of the road against oncoming cars to pass traffic because he feel he more important that anyone else
- When man want to overtake on shoulder
- Run red light all kinna ten seconds after the light change
- flying down the road at twice the speed limit

Worse case all these things now does get you a jokey $200 fine, dat not stopping anyone. Man need to loose dey license for at least a 6 months for these offenses, and next time is jail.

Anyway good to see we finally doing something about the drunk driving.

Title: Re: What happened to the Aranjuez Crash Thread?
Post by: dinho on June 02, 2007, 02:07:16 PM
Quote


He had earlier said that it would take at least three months after the bill is passed in the Senate to be proclaimed to allow for the necessary public education campaign and the required training of police officers in the use of the breathalysers.




Why dont they just start the police officer training all now before the bill is actually passed so that they ready to implement as soon as??
Title: Re: What happened to the Aranjuez Crash Thread?
Post by: Jefferz on June 02, 2007, 09:14:04 PM
Sorry to hear that boss.
I didn't mean to ask about the thread to cause pain, but I thought that there was a lively, thoughtful and necessary discussion about the madness that takes place on our roads every day.
condolences to the friends and families who have lost loved ones.

nah doh study it... im ok.
Title: Traffic in T&T Thread.
Post by: Trini _2026 on October 21, 2007, 07:24:04 AM
Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
By DENISE BALGOBIN Sunday, October 21 2007


Commuters have resorted to car-pooling, taking public transportation and leaving their vehicles at home, all in a bid to get away from the chronic traffic congestion which begins before 6 am every day choking off movement into and out of the city.

Many businesses have difficulty in operating properly, since employees as well as owners often arrive later than scheduled opening times, mainly due to uncontrollable traffic and transport issues.

Within the last year, almost every day, there are lines of cars from as far as Charlieville in Central, Curepe Junction in the East and the National Stadium from the West, at any given time during the day. Previously, the traffic was mainly around peak hours, but this has definitely changed.

Purchasing a vehicle is considered a sign of upward social mobility, but it can become frustrating when monthly instalments have to be made, yet you are unable to enjoy the luxury of a peaceful ride to get to work without having to face some kind of “road rage” from irate drivers.

So you resort to public transportation, such as a bus or taxi, the latter sometimes being scarce as some drivers are caught in traffic, and others want to take a short break before making another trip, which just results in more stress for the travelling public.

According to Downtown Owners and Merchants Association (DOMA) President Gregory Aboud, many members of this organisation live on the East-West corridor, so they have become somewhat “accustomed to” the traffic issues.

“It takes from ten to 30 minutes more to make the same journey than it did just one year ago,” he stated in a telephone interview with Sunday Newsday.

“And any minor mishap, such as a flat tyre or a slow truck has a more drastic effect on the traffic than the authorities realise.

“This worsens when there is any type of accident.”

He said that DOMA is greatly concerned about the traffic signals at Curepe, UWI, Macoya and Trincity, “since these are obviously not programmed to cope with rush hour traffic.

A simple solution would be to programme the signals facing east to allow more west bound traffic in the morning, with the opposite in the afternoon (allowing easy east bound flow).

“What I find utterly ridiculous, considering the volume of East-West traffic, is the functions of the two traffic lights at Valsayn and the one at the Bamboo intersection. At least two of these should be switched off immediately, leaving just one at Valsayn.

“I am sure these minor changes would bring tremendous relief to lots of citizens, whose increasing stress levels are of serious concern.

Lots of our members suffer from loss of man hours, and there is also a high turn-over of employees at many business places, as workers just cannot cope with the time strains.”

What he finds commendable is the issue of traffic making its way onto the political platforms.

“The fact that it has been recognised as an area that needs attention gives us some hope for relief.”

The above issues have inevitably led to an increasingly “stressed out” society, where tempers flare at the slightest provocation.

This is supported by the Trinidad and Tobago Manufacturer’s Association (TTMA) President Karen de Montbrun, who said members “are negatively affected by the congestion on our nation’s roads. Every day, thousands of workers spend hours in traffic heading to and from their workplaces.

This leads to frustration, low morale, and a decline in worker productivity. We are pleased that construction work has started on the long awaited Churchill Roosevelt/Uriah Butler Highway Interchange, which, once completed, will bring relief to motorists.

“However, the Association is concerned about another initiative the Government has in train to deal with traffic congestion – the proposed rapid rail project. The Government must explain to the citizens of this country why it is moving full steam ahead with this one alternative without the benefit of a proper study that would show what are the possible alternative options, and which is the best option for this country.

“Implementing a rapid rail system in this country will incur a massive cost – not just in the construction phase, but in its annual operation, and it is therefore imperative that a major investment study be undertaken prior to embarking on such a significant infrastructure development project.”

She added that the “Government’s focus on rail also limits their search for more economical, sustainable alternatives that can be more quickly implemented at less cost and bring relief: eg High Occupancy Vehicle (HOV) lanes, better management of traffic and public transportation.”

A random check with TTMA members along the East-West corridor revealed that on average, workers leave their homes at least 45 minutes earlier to get to work on time, and spend an average of 45 minutes to more than one hour in traffic either way.

“Members have reported as much as a 50 percent decline in productivity, and a corresponding decrease in sales.

“Workers are not the only ones adversely affected. It impacts on the cost of doing business for manufacturers, importers and exporters as well.

“Long hours spent in traffic results in goods being delivered late, which can then lead to a drop in customer satisfaction.

“Sales are also declining, as sales people make fewer deliveries and customer visits during the course of the day.

“Traffic congestion delays trucks and thus limits our ability to move goods to and from the ports.

This could result in overtime costs, and increase the cost of doing business thereby making us less competitive,” de Montbrun ended.

“It is no longer enjoyable to drive on our highways and people are reluctant to go to work,” stated Dr Hari D Maharajh, consultant specialist in Psychiatry, Neurology and Family Medicine, and senior lecturer in the Department of Clinical Medicine at Mount Hope, UWI, during an interview with Sunday Newsday.

“Stress is the outcome of demands made on individuals, and can be handled in short doses, but when there is a build up of anxiety, there are obvious negative effects on humans,” he stated.

Describing what he terms a “learned helplessness”, the doctor stated that when individuals are subjected to negative experiences on a regular basis, they eventually learn to adjust to this negativity as a “normal” way of life. “It is difficult then for people to break out of the negative cycle.”

This he said results in deteriorating work performances, chaotic family lives and general personal confusion, with no system available to provide relief.

Dr Maharajh revealed that he had a patient who had a back operation about a year ago.

The individual works in Port-of-Spain and lives in Central, but is reluctant to return to work because of the simple fact that the usually 30-minute trip now takes more than two hours in sweltering traffic.

“Sitting in a vehicle for a long period can cause pains for the average individual, so imagine the pain of someone who has had back surgery.”

Giving an example of an average single mother in her mid-40s with two children having to make the trip on a daily basis, the doctor stated, “After it has taken two hours to get to work, you need a considerable amount of time to rest before you can start to perform your duties.

Then before midday, your boss gets upset and takes it out on you, so you try to cope.

“In the afternoon, you try to beat the peak time traffic to get home to your children, but it still takes almost two hours. Then you get home and try to help two demanding kids with homework, preparing dinner and then the day is over. There is no time for any type of relaxation before you have to get up in the morning to start the routine all over again.

“What quality of life are we building in this country with situations like these that face many citizens?” he asked.

A direct impact of traffic-related stress may be the various types of road rage displayed every day by motorists trying to shorten the trips into the capital.

Those drivers using the shoulders to shave off a few minutes are breaking the law and are often caught by strategically placed traffic cops, but many are able to evade them.

Some motorists get angry when vehicles unceremoniously cut in front of them which is a more than frequent occurrence, but there are also many passengers who are grateful for the time saved by “brave” taxi drivers who practice this.

This, Dr Maharajh described as a lack of respect for others, but “there are some drivers who will do whatever is necessary to get from point A to point B within a certain time frame.

There is a total disruption in the driving habits of many persons, who are mostly silently angry and frustrated by the traffic build up.

“The result is that citizens are generally becoming more abusive, as the tendency is to vent anger on the person next to you. Some people may even resort to alcoholism and even suicide when they cannot find solutions to their stress.

“The traffic congestion is affecting family lives and people’s health. With all these cars on the road, people, especially young children, are constantly exposed to a high level of exhaust fumes from which they can develop several diseases.

“Right now, there are many more persons suffering from symptoms relating to agoraphobia (a panic disorder) than a few years ago as a result of traffic woes.

People are now fearful of getting into cars because of the confined space. How are they supposed to get to work and then function at expected levels?”

According to the current issue of Contact magazine from the Trinidad and Tobago Chamber of Commerce, ways to alleviate the traffic include designating the Priority Bus Route as an exclusive Rapid Bus Way with synchronised traffic signals; using the third (outer) lane of the Churchill-Roosevelt Highway as a high occupancy vehicle lane (with more than two occupants, as defined by Dr Rae Furlonge); establishment of a National Transportation Management Authority, with responsibility for transportation planning and management.

The Chamber conducted research on the quality of life of persons facing the traffic issues and found that: “Only a few firms have implemented flexi-time work options for staff.

The average time spent to and from work on daily basis is about five hours, which for a professional working for $15,000 monthly ($82.50 an hour) translates into about $9,372 lost per month.

“Most families from Central with children going to school in Port-of-Spain leave home between 5.30 and 6 am, with the children sleeping through the entire trip.”

In August this year, Works and Transport Minister Colm Imbert stated that over the past several years, his ministry had done a considerable amount of work in designing a national grid of highways and roads in Trinidad, due to the major headache of traffic congestion during peak hours.

He said that designs were in the advanced stages for roads in different areas of the country, with packages large enough to attract experienced international contractors to complete the works within reasonable time frames.

Work on the long-awaited Uriah Butler Highway/Bamboo interchange is currently underway, which the Government hopes will assist alleviating the traffic bottlenecks which occur during peak rush hour traffic.

Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: Trini _2026 on October 21, 2007, 07:27:18 AM
When i was  back home in May  traffic was backed up from Charlotte street going through the harpe all the way past Belmont intermediate!!!! and it was at a stand still... :o
Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: Tallman on October 21, 2007, 07:40:30 AM
Commuters have resorted to car-pooling, taking public transportation and leaving their vehicles at home, all in a bid to get away from the chronic traffic congestion which begins before 6 am every day choking off movement into and out of the city.
Eh nutten wrong wit takin dem measures, but traffic is relly one of de top problems in de country. I tink is ah combination of poor planning and political assholeness dat responsible for de level of gridlock dat exists.
Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: TriniCana on October 21, 2007, 02:49:49 PM
Leaving work in Maraval at 4:30 pm on dey dot.
round sey savannah, take the Lady Young Road, cut across by that road where Neal and Massy is, end up in front Fernandes Compound, drive like ah maxi taxi driver, continue down the main road until you reach Curepe Junction. Cut across on dey southern main Road - 5:10 pm

Leave work in Maraval at 4:30 pm on dey dot.
You take Wrightson Road to dey highway straight down to southern main road - 6:45 p.m

 :-\

problem is too much cars in TnT
Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: NYtriniwhiteboy.. on October 21, 2007, 04:30:22 PM
the traffic in trinidad really getting worse and worse...anytime of the day is serious traffic on Wrighston Road. The funny thing to me is wen i in de north i stuck in it. In south i never really get catch in traffic for too long. There is always some alternative route/ backroad i kno to avoid most of it. Unfortunately i either doh have that kinda knowledge for de north or there just arent many alternative routes to one destination.
Doh even speak for those poor souls who hadda drive into diego on an afternoon..I do dat once and say never again.
Luckily is not often i hadda deal with the rush hour traffic heading north. Usually when i heading up north is after work done in south so i heading against the major traffic for most of the way. The only time i was real scared was wen my father had chest pains and we had to go up to westshore in rush hour in the morning. Really wasnt the smartest idea at the time cuz little did we kno he had a heart attack, if anything had happen in traffic we would have been stuck. Luckily made it up to westshore without anything further happening.
Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: WestCoast on October 21, 2007, 05:51:25 PM
Doh even speak for those poor souls who hadda drive into diego on an afternoon..I do dat once and say never again.
yeah, last year I get ketch in dat...from st. james to west moorings did take real long  :o....is a good thing i wasnt goin blue range. ;)
Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: Dr. Rat on October 21, 2007, 06:12:22 PM
Village landscape with a million cars?  This fackin foreign use shit cause all this damn trouble.  4-5 cars per household.  Anyway, this nice thing is they still driving fast and killing themselves on the small roads..Please continue to do so, traffic go ease up in about 22 years.
Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: superoli on October 22, 2007, 09:49:34 AM
Trinis love their cars !
I used have a motorbike in Trinidad when I come back I getting myself a scooter !
Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: Peong on October 22, 2007, 11:26:37 AM
The funny thing to me is wen i in de north i stuck in it. In south i never really get catch in traffic for too long.

The problem is that the entire country descends on POS every morning and leaves in the afternoon.
Major employers like the gov't should spread offices around the country.
Provide incentives for companies who set up offices in other parts of the country.
Tax breaks for one.

Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: TriniCana on October 22, 2007, 12:24:57 PM
Peong I agree with you and Dr Rat.

With Rat:
There is just too many cars in Trinidad.
Doesn't matter how much road ways they design, train or ferry the government implement to help with the commut from east to west/north to south, once the don't deal with the foreign used vehicle market that is so huge and rampant in TnT nothing else would work.

Imagine there are 3 member familes with 3 cars in the yard. Nobody knows about car "pooling"....dat ah foreign word in Trinidad.

It has reached the stage that it takes hours to get from POS to Trincity on a normal week day. There is nothing name "rush" hour anymore. Rush hour starts from 5 am to 8 pm per day.

With Peong
You say you leaving the car home and taking ah maxi on the bus route to work...To get out of POS on afternoons via the bus route (maxi taxi) requires extra strength to push and determination that you reaching home at ah reasonable time....Fen for yaself because is you and 75% of Trinidad working in POS and reel close environs.

Major problems:
1. All major government buildings are in POS
2. All major advertising offices are in POS/Maraval
3. All major financial institutions are in POS
4. All major hotel industry is in POS, St Anns and Chaguaramas
5. All major head office Insurance companies are in POS
6. All major head offices are in POS.
7. All major media companies are in POS

Ah miss anybody out ???...oh wait where all those massive tall buildings going up? Not in POS ?
When ya ass dead on dey road, where ya ending up ? Not in POS morgue?

Is only dey major doubles people in dey EAST  :devil:  (shhhh Central people)

Everything major is in the West part of Trinidad.....why ???
Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: truetrini on October 22, 2007, 11:28:08 PM
de smartest, cutest, brightest most accomplished trinis live in the Wst,,what canI say.

Wise men come from de east..de doh stay dey!
Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: WestCoast on October 23, 2007, 02:42:09 AM
de smartest, cutest, brightest most accomplished trinis live in the Wst,,what canI say.

Wise men come from de east..de doh stay dey!
One Wise Man here ;D
but I must say, my time in 'Gustine was good.
Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: TriniCana on October 23, 2007, 07:54:32 AM
de smartest, cutest, brightest most accomplished trinis live in the Wst,,what canI say.

Wise men come from de east..de doh stay dey!

and people would steups and maybe cuss ya when ya make that statement
but you are correct.....
Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: Dr. Rat on October 23, 2007, 10:59:03 AM
..what the donkey picture man fail to mention is that the west also have plenty bullas and many who feel they more superior in terms of skin color.
Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: WestCoast on October 23, 2007, 11:09:55 AM
the west also have plenty bullas and many who feel they more superior in terms of skin color.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :devil:
Title: Ministry goes online with visual traffic Web site
Post by: Tallman on November 01, 2007, 09:03:13 AM
Ministry goes online with visual traffic Web site
By Rhonda Krystal Rambally(Trinidad Guardian)


MOTORISTS using the main highways will soon be able to log on to the Ministry of Works and Transport Web site to see how much or how little traffic they may encounter before arriving at their destinations.

Line minister Colm Imbert said commuters and drivers would be able to log on to the Web site (www.mowt.gov.tt) and monitor the traffic before leaving their homes.

This initiative will come into effect over the next 12-18 months.

Speaking at the official launch of the facility yesterday at the ministry’s head office in Port-of-Spain Imbert said: “This Web site is the arrival of visual technology to the Ministry of Works and Transport.”

He said people with Internet capability could access information about the functions, responsibilities, projects and programmes carried out by the ministry.

He also said people could submit requests about road works and repairs, which he hoped would reduce the “couple thousands” of letters the ministry received each month.

He said the Web site was customer friendly, and easy to use with accurate and up-to-date information.

Imbert added: “Let’s make the ministry’s Web site the best Web site within the public domain.”

Touching on the East/West Corridor Transportation Project, Navin Ramsingh, project manager, said the prime objective of the project was to improve the capacity of the corridor system to alleviate the traffic congestion which exists during peak hours.

Ramsingh said plans for the Traffic Surveillance and Control System (TSCS) and a National Traffic Management System (NTMS) are to be expected soon.
Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: Peong on November 01, 2007, 12:22:57 PM
This is not useful if there is traffic everywhere.
But if ppl spending time on a PC then they not on the road, hence less traffic.
Brilliant strategy!
Until they make it available as a mobile app.
Then is back to square 1.
Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: TriniCana on November 01, 2007, 12:49:22 PM
see how Trinis smart eh

so ah living in dey east and i hafta go to work in dey west for 8am
ah get up bout 5am, log on on dey computer on dey visual traffic Web site, scan and realized dey traffic start on dey highway already, because dem who living Grande and Arima on dey road already....dem leave dey house bout half pass 4 - quarter to 5.

now i log on, and bout 5000 people log on dey same time. all of we figure out since dey highway have traffic, we might as well go on dey main road.
so dat means, 5000 ah we, plus dey maxi taxis who stoppin every 3 minutes because nobody want to walk ah little distance to dey destination, dey PH taxis who have to stop AFTER dey red light tun green, plus dey other 10,000 main road regulars on dey main road....

ah gone...

if dey bilnking government would put ah hold on all dem fly by night foreign used vehicle business that popping up in everybody back yard, all this shit bout traffic go stop.
Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: Brownsugar on November 01, 2007, 01:21:59 PM
All yuh eh get de latest.....

Ah man shoot ah next one by Jean Pierre Complex over ah bad drive....

de bad drive apparently start somewhere along de Audrey Jeffers coming into POS....so the man who get de bad drive mus be retaliate (with some choice words) den dey apparently start to race each other till dey reach Jean Pierre.....

De bad drivee come out he car to confront de bad driver and next thing I hear de bad driver buss ah gun in de man tail yes.....true story....no lie....

Talk bout de wild, wild west....
Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: TriniCana on November 01, 2007, 01:24:07 PM
well this is the high of it....
he dead ???

and ah sure brownsugar, this would become the norm. ya know how we like to follow fashion the wrong things eh....steups
Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: dcs on November 01, 2007, 02:35:13 PM
He had pick up a "boulder" and then the bad driver shot him in the chest.  Police had block off that small street that fork off of Wrightson road from the lights by the Port Entrance by Ana Street to the light right by the Jean Pierre....guess it was more than an accident.   :-\

People in traffic for hours a day plus our bad driving habits.  And it getting dark 6pm so imagine reaching home in darkness everyday....hell some people leaving home in darkness too.  dat have to affect some of them.

But I find the buses we have not bad....just people don't know anything about them and the lines in City Gate is be real long.  That site supposed to have info on the bus but that have a stigma from long time.

edit:  just look at the Diego schedule and it is one per hour...dat is useless.
Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: truetrini on November 01, 2007, 03:29:38 PM
..what the donkey picture man fail to mention is that the west also have plenty bullas and many who feel they more superior in terms of skin color.

Not my fault de COrPse man name john bull some ah allyuh from elsewhere.

He might be ah buller but he still smart.

How yuh bamsee doing?

By the way according to stats comiled by the UNC-A, de South is ah haven fuh bullers!
Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: Dr. Rat on November 01, 2007, 04:28:15 PM
..what the donkey picture man fail to mention is that the west also have plenty bullas and many who feel they more superior in terms of skin color.

Not my fault de COrPse man name john bull some ah allyuh from elsewhere.

He might be ah buller but he still smart.

How yuh bamsee doing?

By the way according to stats comiled by the UNC-A, de South is ah haven fuh bullers!

Thanks Donkey-man!
Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: TriniCana on November 01, 2007, 06:32:45 PM
ah say ah hadda come back online and give ya dis one.
i just got off dey phone with one of my friends living on Ana Street woodbrook.
working CGA in Laventille.

hear part of dey conversation:

phone ring and she have caller ID on dey cell

she: in ah ruff voice "WHAT?"
me: so evening, ah hear allyuh have traffic.
she: <long pause> deeeeese facking people, since facking 4 o clock ah leave facking Laventille. Girl hear meh nah, trinidadians reel facking dotish you hear.
me: (watching dey clock dat saying 8 oclock) so where you right now ?
she: infront ah facking Powegen nah.
me: so wait nah, you aint' reaching home before 9 oclock (ah chookin fire), so what taking place now ?
she: i doh know what happening, but somebody get in some accident, and ya not hearin nothing on dey 7 oclock news but ah want to pee bad.

me: well hear dey run down.
she: dese facking people stupid yes....

all i hear is "if dat facking clunt think he hittin meh bumper today he lie"
me: call meh when ya reach home eh - den ah processed to give she some ole talk bout somebody else....blah blahblah

ah going and call she back bout 10pm
Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: dcs on November 01, 2007, 09:05:48 PM
ah going and call she back bout 10pm

If she now reach home she just in time to hear Imbert parroting about the wonderful work they have done for transportation and the "air conditioned" train they building   :rotfl:
Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: truetrini on November 01, 2007, 10:23:29 PM
ah going and call she back bout 10pm

If she now reach home she just in time to hear Imbert parroting about the wonderful work they have done for transportation and the "air conditioned" train they building   :rotfl:

Every industrialized nation in the world had rail.  we want it again.

What is yuh problem with dat?

Or de COrPse have ah better idea ent?

Donkey cart!
Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: TriniCana on November 01, 2007, 11:02:11 PM
allyuh doh watch dey time...ah cyah sleep :-\

dcs ah didn't call her back nah...ah was fraid ah get cuss for living aboard.
So wait, they going to have train together with maxi taxi on dey bus route, PH taxi, taxi, PTSC bus, maxi taxi on dey main road PLUS you with ah car - all of that for ah little island ??? 
OR
are they planning on discontinuing maxi taxis on the bus route or infact PTSC buses?....if dat happen, plenty young boys and dey conductor will be unemployed eh. If dem know what good for them, hopefully somebody go whisper in dey ear to go learn to drive locomotive.

see how dem smart...steups

jus now allyuh getting subway - but ay ay ::)

CHECK DEY LATEST BOUT THIS SHOOTING....we reach were we going :-\

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news12.html




Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: Bourbon on November 02, 2007, 05:27:43 AM
I did a project on this topic in school. First off...there is no way that road construction can keep up with the rate of purchase of vehicles coming in..unless the vehicular population is regulated. The only way that the vehicle population can be willingly regulated is by providing alternate means of transportation, REGULARLY and EFFICIENTLY. Singapore has a world renowned traffic management system, their square area is six times smaller than ours, with 4 times our population. Yet traffic is virtually non existant. They have a car to person ratio of 1:9...while we with a smaller population have a car to person ratio of 1:9. Meausures implemented included quota system, tolling and efficient public transportation. Problem is...it also requires public discipline....and we know how abundant that is here.

Take a read here
http://www.adb.org/Documents/Events/2002/RETA5937/Manila/downloads/tp_15B_menon.PDF


Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: truetrini on November 02, 2007, 05:37:18 AM
Bourbon, I eh bothering with people who only looking for an excuse to bash progress in T&T simply because they are tribal and supporting their party!

others jes like sheep...blindly following bleating away, although in between the sheep are some braying jackasses!
Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: Bourbon on November 02, 2007, 07:03:29 AM
Fact is....there is no quick fix for the traffic situation. The roll on roll off industry provided cars for many persons regardless of income bracket...but the roads cannot accommodate that volume of traffic. Poor planning is also to blame. For example there is a bridge building in the back of pasea/caroni that many people use to avoid the intersection between the CRH and the SHH. There was a bridge before but the planners seem to think that traffic is caused on the bridge..when in truth and reality the traffic is caused by two lanes of traffic that sometimes need to cut across each other. Thus for one to flow...one must stop. One day when i have time, i shall take some pictures and show exactly what i mean. For any effective traffic management system to work, public transportation must improve and improve significantly. There is no way to keep pace with the volume of traffic by building more roads.  Improvement of Public transportation in the short term softens the effects of improving road infrastructure and allows it to be done sooner. Removal of traffic lights on the CRH and finding some system to get traffic to get on and get off without lights being needed is essential. One idea i thought of as well was making the bus route and main road one way traffic in opposite directions. I from the east...so i not so familiar with south/central, but there are simple solutions there too from what i have seen. The east west corridor and the central belt are the most densely populated areas of the country so it stands to reason that the traffic problems would originate from there.
Title: Traffic in T&T Thread.
Post by: TriniCana on November 02, 2007, 07:06:39 AM
Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists

Okay TT we putting all politics aside for 4 minutes
Won't you agree that the main problem facing the traffic situation in Trinidad is too many cars on the roads?? Main culprits are the foreign used little businesses popping out of the woodworks ??? Anybody could purchase ah tin foil car for $10,000.

Look at how much public transportation it have between Arima and POS on a daily basis, but yet you spending 4-5 hours in traffic on the highways. Don't talk about Wrightson Road to Cocorite straight across to Mon Coco Road on the afternoon.

I not talking about rush hour from 3:30 to 6:00 pm. I talking about any hour of the day and on weekends.

I all for the train idea, would have been better if dey thought about a subway system, but are they discontinuing some other form of transport ???

Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: Peong on November 02, 2007, 07:34:42 AM
Implement tolls between 6am and 7pm.
No toll if yuh have 3 or more ppl in the car.

A HOV lane will work if yuh have PLENTY police on the road to enforce.
Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: dinho on November 02, 2007, 08:20:29 AM
sometimes i feel allyuh away too long yes.. allyuh really need to come and drive around here for a day.

dem ideas nice on paper, but in practice is a whole different scene..

imo a HOV lane will never work in trinidad given our very nature which carries over to our driving.. everybody looking for a bligh..

no matter how much police on the road, trinis will find a way to beat the system.. trust me, it have no way a man sitting in de middle lane in hot, sweltering traffic and watching a free lane on de side and not chancing it.. men will swing in and out of that HOV lane as necessary.. they will drive as far as possible to before where it have police posted and swing back in the legal lane just in time.. and it is very easy to find out where the police will be on a morning.. just call a partner who leave home or work earlier than you..

plus no matter how much enforcement dey invest in the earlies, that bound to dwindle in due course as other things take priority for the police (just like the seatbelt fad, cellphone, inspection sticker etc etc)..  the HOV lane will end up being just another lane to drive on just like the bus route is now..

the driving culture here so lawless it frightening.. i myself guilty of misdemeanor driving lawlessness, but speeding or filtering a lil early not on par with reckless driving.. men flying down de shoulder at full speed, breaking the red light full seconds after it change, cutting in reckless counting on your goodwill to mash brakes.. is that kinda recklessness does cause de fatalities..

i know men so lawless, they does actually budget for bus route tickets monthly, and police officers know them by name..

if they want to do something about the traffic and the lawless driving culture they have to revamp the whole system of enforcement.. I say its time to police the roads using undercover highway patrols (regular looking vehicles equipped with police lights and technology).. and start mass ticketing people.. also revamp the ticketing system, and include a points based penalty system for traffic offenders.. computerize licensing office so that it easy to pull driving records and setup a dedicated ticketing unit so that you dont have to go and stand up 2 hours by magistrate court to pay a ticket... and if yuh don't pay yuh ticket, then suspend licences..

if drivers here realise that they could get ketch at any time without warning, they will think twice about breaking the law on the roads..

as for the traffic, i am skeptical about what will happen when the interchange is built and the traffic gets brought into POS faster... look just last week they change up some of the lights that bringing traffic down into town faster, but now it just mean that traffic backing up on the beetham highway coming from east when that never was happening before that.. so what going to happen when the interchange reach?? it would be nicer going home, but coming to work in the morning might be hell...

new ideas are needed like decentralizing business from the city and the flexi time working hours and work from home incentives for non-critical staff..  i'm interested to see how the water taxis will function, it could be a help if it is properly structured and run in an efficient manner with minimal turnaround time..  the train system as well, i am in support of..
Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: dcs on November 02, 2007, 08:23:03 AM
There is a proper way to go about planning a transportation system and that has not been followed.  That is not a new issue ,it has been highlighted since the beginning when they wanted to take short cuts with no feasibility study.  They don't even know where they want to put the station in Diego Martin.  steupse

When you have the ASSOCIATION FOR PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS (APETT) saying we are once again not following proper procedure to ensure we come up with a working and SUSTAINABLE plan then you just have to shake your head realising we have learnt nothing from our past mistakes with spending big money on big projects haphazardly.

People could try and politicize this if they want but this is an engineering issue that was brought up LONG TIME AGO.
Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: Peong on November 02, 2007, 08:27:07 AM
Omar yuh right about the HOV lane.
I've seen an HOV lane where it was walled off from the other lanes, so yuh couldn't just cut in and out, with entry only at certain points.
That would be easier to enforce, but yeh HOV is one of the least effective methods of controlling traffic mentioned here.
Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: Peong on November 02, 2007, 08:31:25 AM
Bourbon, I eh bothering with people who only looking for an excuse to bash progress in T&T simply because they are tribal and supporting their party!

others jes like sheep...blindly following bleating away, although in between the sheep are some braying jackasses!

After all the shit that the previous two governments did, you want to talk about sheep and jackass and bullin.
You have anything good to contribute?
Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: Brownsugar on November 02, 2007, 08:42:33 AM
Omar.....yuh come real good.....

Folks, the general consensus has been bring de Rapid Rail/fast transit rail system.....BUT....and dis where APETT have de problem.....

IT IS NOT BEING DONE IN A TRANSPARENT MANNER and NOT IN CONJUNCTION with a comprehensive transport plan!!!.....

But say wha, have money will spend....

All the things Omar outline is what APETT has outlined and suggested....De people talking but nobody listening.....
Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: Brownsugar on November 02, 2007, 08:46:07 AM
......oh and coming back to de Road Rage story......de article say de bachanal start since Beetham Highway....and end by Jean Pierre......

So dat man hold dat grudge from quite by de Beetham  :o....I thought I heard on de Radio dat it start on de Audrey Jeffers.....but if is quite by de Beetham....den lord have mercy on us all....
Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: dcs on November 02, 2007, 08:51:21 AM

Exactly...it is not about for or against rapid rail.  It is HOW or WHAT is implemented.  Obviously mass transit is on the cards...NOBODY has disputed that but do it properly.
Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: dinho on November 02, 2007, 09:04:09 AM
yuh know what vex me with this traffic thing...

with careful research, trial and error, i had discover a foolproof, fully legal method of leaving home on a morning between 7 and 7:10am from trincity on a morning, and getting to the office at 7:55.. and now dey gone and screw it up for me..

hear it...

leaving at that hour, yuh coming behind the bulk of the traffic which would build up right after curepe junction.. so i would sail smooth on the highway up to curepe junction past the traffic lights, then cut through the back of valsayn and join back up de highway traffic by valpark lights... take a lil traffic down to de bamboo, then swing off and cut in a small back road by grand bazaar back entrance, then merge onto de butler highway heading south... swing off by grand bazaar and wait on that light to make a u-turn and come back up on the northbound lane with the south traffic... after a lil sweatiness with the merging traffic there, it was smooth sailing into town...

now they gone and tinker with de lights, and all of a sudden traffic return to the beetham.. and then this morning, somebody had a bright idea to put a policeman in the filter-out lane by valpark, so no one could filter onto the highway unless the light green.. so traffic gridlock on valpark road.. steeeeups..

sometimes i eh know what they does be thinking at all nuh...
Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: Brownsugar on November 02, 2007, 09:14:19 AM
sometimes i eh know what they does be thinking at all nuh...

De same thinking dat leave de deep depression on de Highway dat Monday in September dat had people in traffic for hours...

De same thinking dat pave de highway de 2nd week after school open.....never mind dey had 2 MONTHS TO DO IT!!!...

De same thinking dat pave a section of de Highway dat DIDN'T NEED PAVING IN DE FUSS PLACE!!....

De same thinking dat allowing de same Contractor over and over to pave we airport runway and highway....like nobody else in dis country could do it....

De same thinking dat didn't open up de PBR dat morning so people get ticket left, right and centre....just because dey trying to get to work and school....

De same thinking dat because ah election was drawing near....de Hon. Minister  of Works & Transport (and letter to editor Minister) actually apologise for de fiasco......
Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: pecan on November 02, 2007, 09:25:44 AM
But look

what is allyuh problem?  de government seems to be doing their part in infrastructure maintenance ..

men painting a spring bridge bright an early on a Thursday morning in August .. and dey were done by 10:00 am . .efficiency in action ..

an look ... no traffic



(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h104/pecan6/IMG_2104-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: truetrini on November 02, 2007, 10:10:40 AM
But look

what is allyuh problem?  de government seems to be doing their part in infrastructure maintenance ..

men painting a spring bridge bright an early on a Thursday morning in August .. and dey were done by 10:00 am . .efficiency in action ..

an look ... no traffic



(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h104/pecan6/IMG_2104-1.jpg)

but dat is ah UNC-A seat....talk tuh dey representative about why it run down and what level of representation he providing.
Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: dinho on November 02, 2007, 10:17:19 AM
But look

what is allyuh problem?  de government seems to be doing their part in infrastructure maintenance ..

men painting a spring bridge bright an early on a Thursday morning in August .. and dey were done by 10:00 am . .efficiency in action ..

an look ... no traffic



(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h104/pecan6/IMG_2104-1.jpg)

but dat is ah UNC-A seat....talk tuh dey representative about why it run down and what level of representation he providing.


Is a RURAL bridge... what allyuh want there?? The Golden Gates??

Steups, look at the old boat and thing strew in the background... wherever he take that photo ent look like it have no setta traffic there, so who tell you the bridge run down?? Might count as a rundown bridge in your province.. 

for all u know, all that bridge might need is maintenance; which is exactly what the men doing in the pic..

Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: WestCoast on November 02, 2007, 10:21:28 AM
Omar, I think you hit the nail on the head with your post # 32 , I have a feeling that most Forren have left TnT long time and have forgotten how tings really are.
Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: truetrini on November 02, 2007, 10:38:49 AM
I in trinidad all now.  I will be voting PNM!

I in T&T every month fella.

and I have bnuff family dere.

I know it eh as bad as allyuh making it out to be also!
Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: pecan on November 02, 2007, 11:02:50 AM

sigh ... :-\

facetiousness, sarcasm and tongue-in-cheek comments really doh translate well in a chat forum.  I tink I have to use more emoticons  :) ;) :D ;D >:( :( :o

too many people so immersed in day-to-day horrors that dey no longer se the humurous side of life

but a few points worth mentioning

1) it is a rural bridge but is the only connection to a beautiful beach on de South Coast (La retraitte)

2) the bridge did collapse in the late nineties and had to be rebuilt .. if yuh going to rebuild a bridge at least try to  conform to more recent technological standards.  This should not be an issue for a country with T&T technological resources. To besides, the bridge is run-down by any standards including T&T .. even de locals cross with caution.  In fact it is bounce de same as when last I crossed it 2 decades ago and it jess get re-built

3) just because it is rural does not mean those residents deserve any less

4) that particular morning, the crews were out cutting bush at the side of the road and painting the cables which from my observations, had never been painted .. so why paint it now .. why at the time of reconstruction? take a look at the floor of the bridge itself -- more time should be spent on the actual structure dan painting de cable with rust paint?  And de were done by 10:00 am  - welfare in all its glory.

5) at the same time, the road to Grand Chemim Moruga was worse that what I remember when last I traveled it in de 1980's ... two decades later, it still in disrepair.  These sentiments were echoed by my relatives who living in Moruga

6) I am foreign and I have never pretended to know what the solutions are.  The picture was meant to present a somewhat humorous aspect of the seriousness fo the issues.  the comment about the traffic was a JOKE. 

Jees-an ages ..  :o







Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: dcs on November 02, 2007, 11:09:34 AM
Well yuh change yuh name so what yuh expect when they eh know the character posting  lol
Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: WestCoast on November 02, 2007, 11:10:49 AM
Agouti look back, is dat London, Ont humour dat have dem tie up bad oui :devil:
I thought it was GREAT ;D
Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: dinho on November 02, 2007, 11:11:11 AM

sigh ... :-\

facetiousness, sarcasm and tongue-in-cheek comments really doh translate well in a chat forum.  I tink I have to use more emoticons  :) ;) :D ;D >:( :( :o

too many people so immersed in day-to-day horrors that dey no longer se the humurous side of life

but a few points worth mentioning

1) it is a rural bridge but is the only connection to a beautiful beach on de South Coast (La retraitte)

2) the bridge did collapse in the late nineties and had to be rebuilt .. if yuh going to rebuild a bridge at least try to  conform to more recent technological standards.  This should not be an issue for a country with T&T technological resources. To besides, the bridge is run-down by any standards including T&T .. even de locals cross with caution.  In fact it is bounce de same as when last I crossed it 2 decades ago and it jess get re-built

3) just because it is rural does not mean those residents deserve any less

4) that particular morning, the crews were out cutting bush at the side of the road and painting the cables which from my observations, had never been painted .. so why paint it now .. why at the time of reconstruction? take a look at the floor of the bridge itself -- more time should be spent on the actual structure dan painting de cable with rust paint?  And de were done by 10:00 am  - welfare in all its glory.

5) at the same time, the road to Grand Chemim Moruga was worse that what I remember when last I traveled it in de 1980's ... two decades later, it still in disrepair.  These sentiments were echoed by my relatives who living in Moruga

6) I am foreign and I have never pretended to know what the solutions are.  The picture was meant to present a somewhat humorous aspect of the seriousness fo the issues.  the comment about the traffic was a JOKE. 

Jees-an ages ..  :o










look back.. all well and good, but take it easy, i was not responding to you i was responding to jack manday.. look below the pic u will see this comment..

but dat is ah UNC-A seat....talk tuh dey representative about why it run down and what level of representation he providing.
Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: pecan on November 02, 2007, 11:14:57 AM
Well yuh change yuh name so what yuh expect when they eh know the character posting  lol

an i tort teh use of my Agouti avatar, coupled (get it?) with my new name "Look Back" was quite clever ... and people will take dat into account ...

well de man who tinks his name is clever is actually less cleve than he tinks  ;D
Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: pecan on November 02, 2007, 11:15:50 AM
Agouti look back, is dat London, Ont humour dat have dem tie up bad oui :devil:
I thought it was GREAT ;D

what was great?  degouti look back or de springbridge? :devil: or degouti look back on a spring bridge?
Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: pecan on November 02, 2007, 11:16:58 AM

look back.. all well and good, but take it easy, i was not responding to you i was responding to jack manday.. look below the pic u will see this comment..

but dat is ah UNC-A seat....talk tuh dey representative about why it run down and what level of representation he providing.

oh ho ...  :beermug:
Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: WestCoast on November 02, 2007, 11:24:40 AM
Agouti look back, is dat London, Ont humour dat have dem tie up bad oui :devil:
I thought it was GREAT ;D
what was great?  degouti look back or de springbridge? :devil: or degouti look back on a spring bridge?
dat agouti betta look back for de political motorcade, he go get he ass run over :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: TriniCana on November 02, 2007, 11:44:15 AM
I've been to Trinidad 3 times for the year already. And each time I had to use the CHR Highway/Wrightson Road/Uriah Butler Highway every day. Each time i was stuck in traffic for a mimium of 2 hours. Not bumper to bumper eh, more like drive and stop. I talking bout 10 in the morning or 2 in the afternoon. These times are when people suppose to be at work and at school ent ?  So tell me why it have traffic those times of the day ?

My last visit I refused to stay in Curepe, I ended up staying in Cocorite and enivorns, just to avoid that madness call traffic on the highway on the afternoons. 

I will continue saying is TOO MUCH CARS on the roads. Stop the foreign used cars industies. Those cars not even good. Is tin foil dey use to make dem. If you watch dem cars too hard, dey get ah dent.
Title: Re: Traffic jam ‘agoraphobia ’ crippling motorists
Post by: WestCoast on November 02, 2007, 11:46:05 AM
I will continue saying is TOO MUCH CARS on the roads. Stop the foreign used cars industies. Those cars not even good. Is tin foil dey use to make dem. If you watch dem cars too hard, dey get ah dent.
some ah dem "new brand" cyars does be soft too eh ;)
Title: Traffic gridlock in T&T today
Post by: palos on November 18, 2008, 02:00:40 PM
Rains causin landslides on de Lady Young

Part a de Macoya bridge collapse last night due to rains

De plannings on Nelson St under water

Wrightson Road totally gridlocked

Traffic rong de savannah totally gridlocked

Barataria roundabout under 3 feet a water

Police askin people to stay in dey office

It had 84 mm of rainfall in de day already


Pressha!
Title: Re: Traffic gridlock in T&T today
Post by: morvant on November 18, 2008, 02:11:07 PM
u home palos?
Title: Re: Traffic gridlock in T&T today
Post by: sammy on November 18, 2008, 02:25:02 PM
and cable breakdown in san juan.

Is a good thing i have blink yes.
Title: Re: Traffic gridlock in T&T today
Post by: Touches on November 18, 2008, 02:39:27 PM
I hear landslide in Maraval too...tree fall down by Kappa drugs...plus the river overflow.

Town is total gridlock.....AND...D BANDITS ROBBING PEOPLE stuck in traffic jam flood waters.

I going and cups, ice and some chaser...I rocking back here in the office.
Title: Re: Traffic gridlock in T&T today
Post by: sammy on November 18, 2008, 02:46:38 PM
just heard that the drain running next to grand bazaar along side bamboo overflowed and crossing the southbound lane of the highway.

pressure. I wonder if any other bridges will go down?
Title: Re: Traffic gridlock in T&T today
Post by: Brownsugar on November 18, 2008, 04:35:04 PM
u home palos?

Well I thought the same thing too......is what Palos yuh maccoing we??... ;D
Title: Re: Traffic gridlock in T&T today
Post by: D.H.W on November 18, 2008, 04:44:52 PM
arima was sunny whole day
Title: Re: Traffic gridlock in T&T today
Post by: Brownsugar on November 18, 2008, 04:53:51 PM
arima was sunny whole day
Look Die hard yuh looking to collect some cyber bottle  ;D......about now I would be turning the key in mih front door....instead ah still holed up by mih desk, cuz it eh make no sense to fight up wid dat traffic right about now....steups!!
Title: Re: Traffic gridlock in T&T today
Post by: zuluwarrior on November 18, 2008, 05:23:28 PM
ah hope it would have some kind ah serious discomfort for them ministers .
Title: Re: Traffic gridlock in T&T today
Post by: NYtriniwhiteboy.. on November 18, 2008, 05:27:48 PM
now reach home...left chagauramas at 2pm and reach sando at 6 30...dat was madness...wudda been home quicker if the damn maxi knew how to drive.
Point is never take students on a field trip if the teacher who organized not going. It is clearly a trap!
Title: Re: Traffic gridlock in T&T today
Post by: palos on November 18, 2008, 06:00:01 PM
arima was sunny whole day
Look Die hard yuh looking to collect some cyber bottle  ;D......about now I would be turning the key in mih front door....instead ah still holed up by mih desk, cuz it eh make no sense to fight up wid dat traffic right about now....steups!!

Army to de rescue?  ;D
Title: Re: Traffic gridlock in T&T today
Post by: palos on November 18, 2008, 06:00:25 PM
u home palos?

Not dis rounds breddrin.  Feb 11th doh.... ;D
Title: Re: Traffic gridlock in T&T today
Post by: D.H.W on November 18, 2008, 06:00:44 PM
arima was sunny whole day
Look Die hard yuh looking to collect some cyber bottle  ;D......about now I would be turning the key in mih front door....instead ah still holed up by mih desk, cuz it eh make no sense to fight up wid dat traffic right about now....steups!!

 :devil: :devil: :devil: :D
Title: Re: Traffic gridlock in T&T today
Post by: Tallman on November 18, 2008, 06:26:05 PM
All dat time I was in Trotters. Can you say Guinness?  :beermug: LOL
Title: Re: Traffic gridlock in T&T today
Post by: weary1969 on November 18, 2008, 06:27:50 PM
So wait 4get d flood ny u teachin people chirren lawddddddd have mercy.

I leave town say 3:15 I reach Couva 7:45 Vision 3020 I eh go c it
Title: Re: Traffic gridlock in T&T today
Post by: zuluwarrior on November 18, 2008, 06:57:43 PM
The reason these things iz happening iz because there iz no kind ah plannin taking place iz like dig here ,build here , so when rain fall the water have to go somewhere and they did not plan for that so it end up on the road till tide go down and they plannin for 2020 lard ah wonder what .
Title: Re: Traffic gridlock in T&T today
Post by: weary1969 on November 18, 2008, 07:06:21 PM
3020 breds
Title: Re: Traffic gridlock in T&T today
Post by: capodetutticapi on November 18, 2008, 07:09:26 PM
arima was sunny whole day
ah,meh hometown.
Title: Re: Traffic gridlock in T&T today
Post by: STEUPS!! on November 18, 2008, 07:14:21 PM
i NOW reach home. after leavin work since bout half 3 i make it down to morvant stand only to see it flood. stand up dey 4 bout 45 mins, decide dis eh makin sense, so i went to muh gym.

finish work out about 7, make it back to stand, had to stand an wait a good while before ah get a car. i jus thankin God 4 reachin home safe.

apparently, d morvant river burst its bank, san juan river flood, EVERYWHERE is flood.
one plus in dis situation; d police was out in full force, even transportin people. i even saw acting commissioner Philbert directin traffic by d treasury corner.

unfortunately, it still have REAl ppl stranded in town


bless!
Title: Re: Traffic gridlock in T&T today
Post by: weary1969 on November 18, 2008, 07:53:53 PM
I eh carewhat nobody say but u cing d different wit Philbert not that he directin traffic d fact dat police was very present. In d past dat would a neva happen
Title: Re: Traffic gridlock in T&T today
Post by: Deeks on November 18, 2008, 08:01:38 PM
All yuh think they should build be the new train system underground or aboveGround(in the air)?
Title: Re: Traffic gridlock in T&T today
Post by: WestCoast on November 18, 2008, 08:04:14 PM
All yuh think they should build be the new train system underground or aboveGround(in the air)?
above ground ;D
Title: Re: Traffic gridlock in T&T today
Post by: TriniCana on November 18, 2008, 08:04:27 PM
Dis rain started falling today ??
Cause yesterday in London On, we get ah heavy dose ah rain mixed with wet snow, mixed with some hail - den dey blasted sun came out like it's nobody's business. DEN it started to snow again -15 cm in we tail. Now tonight dey say expect 5 inches ah snow to wake up too next morning.

i ain't know which worst, dey flooding or snow  >:(

mother nature have issues

Title: Re: Traffic gridlock in T&T today
Post by: weary1969 on November 18, 2008, 09:05:26 PM
I eh know what worse but I sure all yuh have a plan 2 deal wit whatever mother nature throw all yuh. We on d other hand just wingin it and hopin 4 d best
Title: Re: Traffic gridlock in T&T today
Post by: chinee boi on November 18, 2008, 09:57:20 PM
Dis rain started falling today ??
Cause yesterday in London On, we get ah heavy dose ah rain mixed with wet snow, mixed with some hail - den dey blasted sun came out like it's nobody's business. DEN it started to snow again -15 cm in we tail. Now tonight dey say expect 5 inches ah snow to wake up too next morning.

i ain't know which worst, dey flooding or snow  >:(

mother nature have issues



she PMSing  :rotfl:
Title: Re: Traffic gridlock in T&T today
Post by: Babalawo on November 19, 2008, 01:48:28 AM
and cable breakdown in san juan.

Is a good thing i have blink yes.
???
Title: Re: Traffic gridlock in T&T today
Post by: Brownsugar on November 19, 2008, 05:09:59 AM
All dat time I was in Trotters. Can you say Guinness?  :beermug: LOL
Yuh coulda call mih, how yuh anti-social so??... ;D
Title: Re: Traffic gridlock in T&T today
Post by: Brownsugar on November 19, 2008, 05:22:50 AM
i even saw acting commissioner Philbert directin traffic by d treasury corner.

Yuh serious??  :o :o Well, well ah have to admit I didn't have much hope for he at the beginning but ah like how he moving so far....except for that illegal PNM gathering in Woodford square some months ago that he did nothing about....so ah still have mih reservations...

I eh carewhat nobody say but u cing d different wit Philbert not that he directin traffic d fact dat police was very present. In d past dat would a neva happen

Yeah ah see police on almost every corner last night.  I leave work/gym around 8pm and play good Samaritan and gave a co-worker ah lift to city gate....I gave up the mission after being stuck on St. Vincent street, he had to walk from there.  I turn around and head for Santa Cruz (via Maraval) and got home in the usual 20 - 25 mins.
And once again I JUST THANK GOD I DECIDED TO MOVE FROM THE EAST!!!.....
Title: Re: Traffic gridlock in T&T today
Post by: ann3boys on November 19, 2008, 06:12:37 AM
 >:( now we know why the towers are so high- from there it doesn't matter if there is flooding
they can just stand at the windows and look down on us plebs...
on a happier note- the PM was caught in the traffic/flooding jam and was seen walking to a meeting at his HYatt hotel ::)
Title: Re: Traffic gridlock in T&T today
Post by: Brownsugar on November 19, 2008, 06:38:37 AM
on a happier note- the PM was caught in the traffic/flooding jam and was seen walking to a meeting at his HYatt hotel ::)

and why not, he is an ordinary citizen yuh know, he just went through what us ordinary citizens go through at times like this...... ::)
Title: Re: Traffic gridlock in T&T today
Post by: boss on November 19, 2008, 06:57:23 AM
WDMC?  ???

From the Express:

Quote
Port of Spain Mayor Murchison Brown yesterday blamed dumping of garbage in water courses and deforestation for the massive flash flooding in downtown Port of Spain.

"The East Dry River burst its bank. But the flooding is also a result of what is happening on the hillside and the indiscriminate dumping in the main water courses," Brown told the Express.

"There is no vegetation to hold the water, that is why there is more water coming downstream."

He added that there are two pumps located on Abattoir Road, which, when turned on, move water out of the city. However, he said the pumps, which are operated by the Ministry of Works and Transport, were not turned on yesterday.

The Express was unable to contact Works Minister Colm Imbert on this.

Title: Re: Traffic gridlock in T&T today
Post by: weary1969 on November 19, 2008, 07:03:21 AM
My trainee just call me she spent d nite in town in d Red House her mther is a police. Dey could not reach home. I sure it have plenty more like she
Title: Re: Traffic gridlock in T&T today
Post by: fishs on November 19, 2008, 07:11:08 AM
My trainee just call me she spent d nite in town in d Red House her mther is a police. Dey could not reach home. I sure it have plenty more like she

 You training people  :o :o
Title: Re: Traffic gridlock in T&T today
Post by: assrancid on November 19, 2008, 07:58:27 AM
I eh carewhat nobody say but u cing d different wit Philbert not that he directin traffic d fact dat police was very present. In d past dat would a neva happen

I agree, this man real trying to be a good police.

He is definitely a no nonsense ,man and he very visible.

Title: Re: Traffic gridlock in T&T today
Post by: assrancid on November 19, 2008, 08:00:05 AM
My trainee just call me she spent d nite in town in d Red House her mther is a police. Dey could not reach home. I sure it have plenty more like she

 You training people  :o :o

That is why the place so shit up.

Anyway, From my sources Bus was running one after de other and the Police and all was usuin dey vehicles to transport up and down de priority.

We comish real trying and all he getting is hate.
Title: Re: Traffic gridlock in T&T today
Post by: capodetutticapi on November 19, 2008, 08:20:55 AM
My trainee just call me she spent d nite in town in d Red House her mther is a police. Dey could not reach home. I sure it have plenty more like she

 You training people  :o :o

That is why the place so shit up.

Anyway, From my sources Bus was running one after de other and the Police and all was usuin dey vehicles to transport up and down de priority.

We comish real trying and all he getting is hate.
yuh very sympathetic towards officers of de law.yuh was ah police?
Title: Re: Traffic gridlock in T&T today
Post by: Bakes on November 19, 2008, 08:23:16 AM
My trainee just call me she spent d nite in town in d Red House her mther is a police. Dey could not reach home. I sure it have plenty more like she

 You training people  :o :o

Sign of the Apocalypse...
Title: Re: Traffic gridlock in T&T today
Post by: capodetutticapi on November 19, 2008, 08:28:25 AM
My trainee just call me she spent d nite in town in d Red House her mther is a police. Dey could not reach home. I sure it have plenty more like she

 You training people  :o :o

Sign of the Apocalypse...
dread yuh harsh yuh know.
Title: Re: Traffic gridlock in T&T today
Post by: sammy on November 19, 2008, 09:56:56 AM
they shoulda bring out them big army trucks to transport people up til San Juan. Anyhow, POS in a mess. Eastern main road from just after the fly over heading into town close of, cause there still under water. Real Dust and Mud. I sorry for people who living right there yes.
Title: Re: Traffic gridlock in T&T today
Post by: weary1969 on November 19, 2008, 10:20:58 AM
2day b4 d strt of d game Dust in yun Face will b played. Dat is d anthem 4 d next couple days
Title: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: grimm01 on December 09, 2008, 11:40:21 AM
Ah was reading this article about a tragic accident in T&T and like so many other accidents it was the result of complete unadulterated f*ckery by some of the parties involved. From the time I see infants dead I know it's because they were in somebody lap instead of a car seat. Cause of accident? Somebody break a red light - the usual choices in T&T are that and or they get a "bad drive".

I remember being young and riding shotgun with my moms back in the day, standing on the front seat while my lil brother and sister standing up in the back. Seatbelt waz dat? But that was the late '80's and I would think that people more sensible in this day and age. Everyday somebody else dying spectacularly on the highway and people still jumping in dey car and disregarding the seatbelt? steups

http://guardian.co.tt/news6.html

BY GEISHA KOWLESSAR

The white Toyota Corolla car, crumpled like paper, bore testimony to the horrific accident which claimed the lives of a father, mother and their infant son on Sunday night.

Another infant—their four-month-old niece—also lost her life in the deadly collision, which occurred around 10 pm on the Churchill-Roosevelt Highway, near University of the West Indies in St Augustine.

The victims were

• Casey Ramtahal, 28 (father)

• Roxanne Maraj, 18 (mother)

• Justin Maraj 19 months (son)

• Akeela Maraj four months (Roxanne’s niece)

Their deaths took road fatalities for the year to 222. There were 198 for the corresponding period last year.

The group, police said, had just visited an uncle in Arima and was heading home when tragedy struck.

Fighting for her life at the Eric Williams Medical Sciences Complex, Mt Hope, up to late yesterday, was Akeela’s 26-year-old mother Malinda.

Also injured was family friend Michael Poonwassie.

Malinda, mother of another girl and two-year-old girl Alicia, was listed in critical condition in the Intensive Care Unit (ICU).

Relatives said Malinda’s body was very swollen and she was unconscious.

Poonwassie, also said to be in critical condition, was warded in the hospital’s Priority Care Facility unit.

Instead of hanging Christmas decorations in their unplastered concrete home in the area known as “Bangladesh” in St Joseph, the Maraj family was busy buying candles in preparation for a wake last night.

Roxanne’s aunt, Joann Rambally said the deaths reopened old wounds, as nine months ago her mother passed away.

“I now getting over the death of my mom (children’s grandmother), which was also a shock, because she was good one day and gone the next.

“And this come and happen now. I want to believe it is all a dream,” Rambally said.

Saying Justin was inseparable from his father, Rambally said the little boy would have turned two on Boxing Day.

“Only God alone know. We praying Malinda make it, because she have a little girl to take care of,” Rambally said.

Coupled with the death of her mother and with the additional deaths of her relatives, Rambally said the family was desperately trying to rebuild their home, which collapsed during recent flooding in the area.

“We were now building up, but I guess things have to go on hold again.”

What occurred

Police believe a red light was broken, resulting in a head-on collision with Ramtahal’s car and an Audi.

Investigators also believe little Justin was sitting on his mother’s lap in the front passenger seat, and was flung through the windscreen on impact.

The force of the collision was so powerful, it resulted in Ramtahal’s car being split in two, police said.

Occupants of the Audi, however, suffered only minor cuts and bruises, police said.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: weary1969 on December 09, 2008, 11:45:58 AM
Road fatalities does get vex when d murder rate makin d headlines so dey does have 2 show up in grab 4 peeps 2 infants dead. The xmas season eh even in full swing yet not 2 metion d reign of d merry monarch.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: JDB on December 09, 2008, 11:56:47 AM
I think I mentioned this recently but the Government's inability/reluctance to address child safety and drink driving laws is CRIMINAL.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: Bakes on December 09, 2008, 12:11:07 PM
I absolutely shudder when I stop and think of the risks we took when I was young... and the risks people continue to take on the roads now.  I vividly remember as a 14-year old, riding down from Matelot with some friends in one ah dem flat bed, Hi-Ace type trucks... like what Courts and dem does deliver appliances on.  Like 5 a we in de tray and I standing up like Leo facking de Caprio in Titanic, overlooking de cab.  Dangerous enough that we in de tray, but standing up too?  On top ah dat at one point ah was sitting on top de cab backwards.  Real dotishness.

I doh think I ever wore a seatbelt in Trinidad as a child... and can't ever remember seeing ah 'child seat'... what is dat?? lol

Nowadays man driving on shoulder, running car on bald tires normal normal... seatbelt? please.  Fast drive, hard drive, bad drive... well, how else tuh show yuh machismo... yuh bravado?

Sad sad state we in.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: Tallman on December 09, 2008, 12:21:58 PM
We have always had high rates of fatal accidents. Apart from seat belt and child seat issues, yuh have tuh contend wit de bad conditions of roads, outdated road designs, insufficient or non-existent lighting, cars that are not road worthy, and to top it all off we have a high disregard of proper driving habits. Oh yeh, traffic laws are rarely enforced. Is there such a thing as a speeding ticket in T&T? I never recall seeing one.

How many accidents involve only one car? How many accidents contain the phrase "lost control"? How detailed are the investigations into these accidents? Other than the Arrive Alive campaign, what else is done in the area of driver education? It has to start with de teenagers; ketch dem early.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: assrancid on December 09, 2008, 12:29:08 PM
it seems to me that  disproportionate number of thoe killed on the roads happen to be of East Indian descent.

Am I wrong?
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: JDB on December 09, 2008, 12:30:07 PM
I absolutely shudder when I stop and think of the risks we took when I was young... and the risks people continue to take on the roads now.  I vividly remember as a 14-year old, riding down from Matelot with some friends in one ah dem flat bed, Hi-Ace type trucks... like what Courts and dem does deliver appliances on.  Like 5 a we in de tray and I standing up like Leo facking de Caprio in Titanic, overlooking de cab.  Dangerous enough that we in de tray, but standing up too?  On top ah dat at one point ah was sitting on top de cab backwards.  Real dotishness.

I doh think I ever wore a seatbelt in Trinidad as a child... and can't ever remember seeing ah 'child seat'... what is dat?? lol

Nowadays man driving on shoulder, running car on bald tires normal normal... seatbelt? please.  Fast drive, hard drive, bad drive... well, how else tuh show yuh machismo... yuh bravado?

Sad sad state we in.

Worse than that. We so far behind.

Last trip I made was with my 10 month old. In laws come to pick us up with two cars. First car, a foreign used, have no rear seat belts, 2nd car, a dealership Corolla, had them. But neither car had the in-seat anchors that are preferred for car-seats. These have been phased into the US and are mandated in all passenger vehicles. It was the same for all of the other cars we used (dealership and bamboo) except for the Chevy Aveo that my father drives.

You telling me that the Government can't make these required or even begin to phase them in. I agree that seat-belts used to collect dust when I was a kid but once I started driving using a seatbelt was part of driving. I remember for a while they showed all those videos on TV with the crash test dummies getting bang up, and children getting crushed. How that didn't make an impression on people is beyond me.

Then the shit I see on the road. People want to be safe with their small kids and don't want them to travel the road alone. So as a result they sending them with a private driver in a B16 carrying 11 children. 3 in the front seat and 8 in the back. And he rushing to finish that trip so he could hit the stand before rush hour done.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: JDB on December 09, 2008, 12:36:27 PM
We have always had high rates of fatal accidents. Apart from seat belt and child seat issues, yuh have tuh contend wit de bad conditions of roads, outdated road designs, insufficient or non-existent lighting, cars that are not road worthy,

I wish somebody could do a study to trace fatalities over time. it would be interesting to see if there was an increase with the introduction of locally re-assembled cars or if these cars are involeved in more accidents.

Is there such a thing as a speeding ticket in T&T? I never recall seeing one.

Yuh does get speeding tickets in one place, on the Beetham. I get one once.

Other than the Arrive Alive campaign, what else is done in the area of driver education? It has to start with de teenagers; ketch dem early.

Like I said I remember them peppering us with them videos, don't know under which government. they definitely had an effect because I, and most of my contemporaries, accustomed to driving with a seat belt. the message was completely lost on established drivers though. I can't see a passive campaign like that working now because it have so mucjh on TV that people will just change the channel. It needs to be mandatory for those applying for a permit.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: Brownsugar on December 09, 2008, 02:11:20 PM
I was giving my 9 year old cousin a ride home one night.  He jump in de front seat so ah tell him he must put on he seat belt.  He "put" it on in that he took the part that goes over your shoulder and put it behind he back.

Ah say "wha kinda thing is dat, you have to wear it properly" he hit me, "daiz how mih grandfather does wear it!!".

Go figure!!... :banginghead: :frustrated:
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: NYtriniwhiteboy.. on December 09, 2008, 03:06:08 PM
the speed traps in ttrinidad are a joke...chagaunas, beetham, outside west mall and up at the end of the highway by golconda. You can see them from a mile away so even if yuh speeding yuh cud slow down in time. Plus pple hitting yuh lights to warn u.
And the thing is the policeman hadda signal to the next one to jump out on the highway and try and stop you if he pulling you over. Is up to u to decide if yuh stopping or not, especially at the ones by golconda and chagaunas...I never done it but i kno a couple pple that jus say screw that cuz the police eh have time to chase yuh down. Their attitude is to jus leave u and catch someone else!
Title: That new flyover
Post by: fishs on April 25, 2009, 12:50:45 AM


 Something that bothering since I was home last is the new flyover at Grand Bazzaar or the CR/SH highway.

 It seems to me that the alignment is off big time when you exit on the south end.

 A flyover like the one built is really 2 curves , a circular or transitional curve ( if it has a straight bit in the middle) and a vertical curve that changes the elevation and would include a slope for centrifugal forces.
Now this flyover seems to be designed for a speed of 80kmh which is reasonable, but when I looked at the exit it appears as if you would have break and make a sharp right to align with the existing highway because of a massive concrete support structure that takes traffic over the highway from both sides of bamboo.

I hope I'm wrong but if this is indeed the case then I can see many tragic accidents in the future.
Could somebody tell me I'm wrong since I never got out of my car to take a real close look.
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: E-man on April 25, 2009, 08:47:24 AM


 Something that bothering since I was home last is the new flyover at Grand Bazzaar or the CR/SH highway.

 It seems to me that the alignment is off big time when you exit on the south end.

 A flyover like the one built is really 2 curves , a circular or transitional curve ( if it has a straight bit in the middle) and a vertical curve that changes the elevation and would include a slope for centrifugal forces.
Now this flyover seems to be designed for a speed of 80kmh which is reasonable, but when I looked at the exit it appears as if you would have break and make a sharp right to align with the existing highway because of a massive concrete support structure that takes traffic over the highway from both sides of bamboo.

I hope I'm wrong but if this is indeed the case then I can see many tragic accidents in the future.
Could somebody tell me I'm wrong since I never got out of my car to take a real close look.

Here's a good view, but it's not clear if the eventual merge will first pass on the left of the support or if the merge happens before the support. It does look a little tight if that's the case but not a 'sharp' right.

edit: the final plan is below so you can see how it flows

(http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/18202433.jpg)

(http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/18202413.jpg)

(http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww67/truetrini2010/interchange.jpg)
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: fishs on April 25, 2009, 09:01:57 AM

  Nice pics Eman but if you follow the curve it still appears as if you end up in the supports.

 It would not be the first time we screw up curves, Balmain, Pointe a Pierre.
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: WestCoast on April 25, 2009, 09:05:38 AM
if they goin under, the vertical structure should be about 50 feet to the east....too tight from this view

but an onsite view may show otherwise
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: Babalawo on April 25, 2009, 10:27:10 AM
if they goin under, the vertical structure should be about 50 feet to the east....too tight from this view

but an onsite view may show otherwise
man you ent see how high that is compare to the gas truck there?
anyway niceness. welcome to the new 21th century ministry of works.
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: Peong on April 25, 2009, 12:15:46 PM
So 3 lanes runnin north-south, then 2 lanes of ramp traffic joinin that goin south, and they have to merge.
I wonder if the ramp traffic is goin to the left or right of that bridge support.
If it goin right, merging before the bridge, cars will not have much time to merge.
I feel it goin left of the support.

In any case it does look like it headin straight into the support.
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: fishs on April 25, 2009, 01:28:57 PM
So 3 lanes runnin north-south, then 2 lanes of ramp traffic joinin that goin south, and they have to merge.
I wonder if the ramp traffic is goin to the left or right of that bridge support.
If it goin right, merging before the bridge, cars will not have much time to merge.
I feel it goin left of the support.

In any case it does look like it headin straight into the support.

There is traffic that is going to be coming from north (mount hope) , so who merges ?
The traffic coming off the fly over should not be the merging traffic since they have the row, so consider that.
Now I heard or read that there was a problem but I paid it no mind then but I can see a problem.
Originally when this fly over was proposed over 20 yrs ago the stag factory was supposed to go to make way for it and it did then the Syrians build Grand Bazaar.
All I saying is it doh look right to me but I suppose when they open the thing we will know.
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: verycute1 on April 25, 2009, 03:51:26 PM
So 3 lanes runnin north-south, then 2 lanes of ramp traffic joinin that goin south, and they have to merge.
I wonder if the ramp traffic is goin to the left or right of that bridge support.
If it goin right, merging before the bridge, cars will not have much time to merge.
I feel it goin left of the support.

In any case it does look like it headin straight into the support.

There is traffic that is going to be coming from north (mount hope) , so who merges ?
The traffic coming off the fly over should not be the merging traffic since they have the row, so consider that.
Now I heard or read that there was a problem but I paid it no mind then but I can see a problem.
Originally when this fly over was proposed over 20 yrs ago the stag factory was supposed to go to make way for it and it did then the Syrians build Grand Bazaar.
All I saying is it doh look right to me but I suppose when they open the thing we will know.

Hopefully not by seeing accident after accident as people on the far left trying to cut over several lanes just because....
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: Bourbon on April 25, 2009, 05:42:23 PM
And add to that...how low de railings on the curve is. If anybody pushing too hard..(as seems to be an inbred trait for drivers who coming from south...)...and dem go over dat railing....dem hiting traffic below.
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: trinindian on April 25, 2009, 06:01:05 PM
So 3 lanes runnin north-south, then 2 lanes of ramp traffic joinin that goin south, and they have to merge.
I wonder if the ramp traffic is goin to the left or right of that bridge support.
If it goin right, merging before the bridge, cars will not have much time to merge.
I feel it goin left of the support.

In any case it does look like it headin straight into the support.

There is traffic that is going to be coming from north (mount hope) , so who merges ?
The traffic coming off the fly over should not be the merging traffic since they have the row, so consider that.
Now I heard or read that there was a problem but I paid it no mind then but I can see a problem.
Originally when this fly over was proposed over 20 yrs ago the stag factory was supposed to go to make way for it and it did then the Syrians build Grand Bazaar.
All I saying is it doh look right to me but I suppose when they open the thing we will know.

Meh family was telling me the same thing, but then I was thinking manning take people savannah for he back yard, why he couldnot do the same and take the some of the mall land. Isn't bamboo goverment land that people squatting on???
Oh well only in trini you does know who you could mess with.
Title: Should T&T add a toll booth to the highway.
Post by: Flex on April 25, 2009, 07:11:10 PM
Should T&T add a toll booth to the Uriah Butler Highway, north to south and south to north ?

Would this help ease traffic. It could also help public transportaion and water taxis make more money. The money made would help maintain the roads in T&T. And also create some employment.

It don't have to be much. A simple $1 for cars and $2 for trucks over a year could add up. And if people buy an easy pass they would get a discount of 50 cents per-dollar.

(http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/18202433.jpg)

(http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/18202413.jpg)

Photos posted by e-man.
Title: Re: Should T&T add a toll booth to the highway.
Post by: weary1969 on April 25, 2009, 07:28:38 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Flex d gas tax aka d road tax doh fix road
Health Surcharge doh go to health
Y u tink d tool go maintain d roads?
Title: Re: Should T&T add a toll booth to the highway.
Post by: trinindian on April 25, 2009, 07:51:22 PM
When I think of paying a toll, I think of paying for a convenience of using an alternative, e.g I76 to philly from Harrisburg, there are other routes that take longer that does not require a toll. Those from the east could use the st joesph highway, but there are no such alternatives to masses from the south unless you will have them use the backroad to curepe and jump on the st joseph highway, so I say no. If we do implement the rapid rails I may support going the route of Manhattan and charging a toll to drive around POS.
Title: Re: Should T&T add a toll booth to the highway.
Post by: Brownsugar on April 25, 2009, 08:52:24 PM
I agree with POS being restricted to vehicles entering, with the necessary infrastructure put in place of course....eg. park and ride in areas outside the city etc...
Title: Re: Should T&T add a toll booth to the highway.
Post by: Rastaman on April 25, 2009, 09:17:39 PM
Ah lawd more traffick !!!
Title: Re: Should T&T add a toll booth to the highway.
Post by: Bourbon on April 25, 2009, 09:30:45 PM
Ah lawd more traffick !!!

Yeah dahs one way of looking at it. I remember i was looking at the Singapore model for ideas...the basic thing is...yuh trying to discourage people from driving by providing cheaper alternatives for transportation. Dahs how the toll comes into play. Yeah yuh could use it for upgrades etc....but putting a toll booth anywhere on that overpass wasting all the money spent behind having flowing traffic at that intersection.

Look de singapore plan here

http://www.adb.org/documents/events/2002/reta5937/manila/downloads/tp_15B_menon.PDF

Title: Re: Should T&T add a toll booth to the highway.
Post by: Babalawo on April 25, 2009, 09:36:18 PM
doh let the gov't fool allyuh. they already have enough money to fix roads. they just choose to waste it on other stuff. ::)
Title: Re: Should T&T add a toll booth to the highway.
Post by: elan on April 25, 2009, 09:48:17 PM
Flex you tiefing meh ideas man.


Here's what, build a massive parking complex opposite Grand Bazaar and put up a toll booth. If you park in the in the complex, you get a free bus ride into POS, if not pay your toll. Do the same on the west side.

Now put a trolley or something similar in the city where people could hop ah ride around free.

Place parking meters all over the city.

This in an effort to reduce traffic in the city.
Title: Re: Should T&T add a toll booth to the highway.
Post by: WestCoast on April 25, 2009, 11:41:20 PM
my firdst reaction is to say No....and make public transport better

but then again....how else could they reduce the amount of cars on the road
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: PantherX on April 26, 2009, 03:36:15 PM
Is it me or does that whole thing seem overly complicated?
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: weary1969 on April 26, 2009, 03:37:33 PM
Is it me or does that whole thing seem overly complicated?

Is not u
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: ann3boys on April 27, 2009, 06:22:25 AM
I agree that the design is complicated...the overpass we are seeing now is just the beginning..plenty to go still. I think the west-south overpass tho' goes to the left of the crossover ramp east-west, and flows into the south bound lane with those coming out of the Grand Bazaar who come around the roundabout... still to be built.

Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: ann3boys on April 27, 2009, 06:28:28 AM
also there was quite a bit of land taken over from bamboo residents to the west of the overpass, as well as some from the front of the G.Bazaar

Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: fishs on April 27, 2009, 07:21:53 AM
I agree that the design is complicated...the overpass we are seeing now is just the beginning..plenty to go still. I think the west-south overpass tho' goes to the left of the crossover ramp east-west, and flows into the south bound lane with those coming out of the Grand Bazaar who come around the roundabout... still to be built.



I can't see how it will fit under the ramp and then how far up will be the merge ?
You're right it is a bit complicated but then you should see some of the city flyovers in this country.
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: Peong on April 27, 2009, 09:53:20 AM
Can anybody confirm the number of lanes on the East-South ramp/flyover?
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: Trin on April 27, 2009, 11:02:17 AM
Can anybody confirm the number of lanes on the East-South ramp/flyover?

Its 2 lanes with shoulders. They've paved it and painted lines as of yesterday, also the south bound side of the Caroni bridge has been expanded to 3 lanes, construction crew was working on finishing this as of yesterday. I assume they are trying to time the opening of the flyover with the opening of the widened bridge.

As for where the overpass exits, Its not too bad but there is a slight "kink" on the exit ramp to get it to avoid the eastern support of the Bamboo overpass. I agree with most here though, that the problem will be the merging traffic from the north especially as this merger will start directly under the bamboo flyover...
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: just cool on April 27, 2009, 04:57:12 PM
So 3 lanes runnin north-south, then 2 lanes of ramp traffic joinin that goin south, and they have to merge.
I wonder if the ramp traffic is goin to the left or right of that bridge support.
If it goin right, merging before the bridge, cars will not have much time to merge.
I feel it goin left of the support.

In any case it does look like it headin straight into the support.

There is traffic that is going to be coming from north (mount hope) , so who merges ?
The traffic coming off the fly over should not be the merging traffic since they have the row, so consider that.
Now I heard or read that there was a problem but I paid it no mind then but I can see a problem.
Originally when this fly over was proposed over 20 yrs ago the stag factory was supposed to go to make way for it and it did then the Syrians build Grand Bazaar.
All I saying is it doh look right to me but I suppose when they open the thing we will know.

Meh family was telling me the same thing, but then I was thinking manning take people savannah for he back yard, why he couldnot do the same and take the some of the mall land. Isn't bamboo goverment land that people squatting on???
Oh well only in trini you does know who you could mess with.
Yuh could'nt resist the temptation tuh bring in the racist politicing again eh? you and another member remind me of them conservative radio talk show host here in the U.S. every thing Obama do is never good enough for them! and it's all fueled by ill feelings, rather than political disatisfaction or partisanism!
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: capodetutticapi on April 27, 2009, 06:22:51 PM
i find it lookin purrrty
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: trinindian on April 27, 2009, 08:05:37 PM
So 3 lanes runnin north-south, then 2 lanes of ramp traffic joinin that goin south, and they have to merge.
I wonder if the ramp traffic is goin to the left or right of that bridge support.
If it goin right, merging before the bridge, cars will not have much time to merge.
I feel it goin left of the support.

In any case it does look like it headin straight into the support.

There is traffic that is going to be coming from north (mount hope) , so who merges ?
The traffic coming off the fly over should not be the merging traffic since they have the row, so consider that.
Now I heard or read that there was a problem but I paid it no mind then but I can see a problem.
Originally when this fly over was proposed over 20 yrs ago the stag factory was supposed to go to make way for it and it did then the Syrians build Grand Bazaar.
All I saying is it doh look right to me but I suppose when they open the thing we will know.

Meh family was telling me the same thing, but then I was thinking manning take people savannah for he back yard, why he couldnot do the same and take the some of the mall land. Isn't bamboo goverment land that people squatting on???
Oh well only in trini you does know who you could mess with.
Yuh could'nt resist the temptation tuh bring in the racist politicing again eh? you and another member remind me of them conservative radio talk show host here in the U.S. every thing Obama do is never good enough for them! and it's all fueled by ill feelings, rather than political disatisfaction or partisanism!

Well see what you want to see, but it's interesting how you equate being anti manning as being racist, as if one equals the other. You missed the point entirely if manning could justify taking the savannh for his diplomatic center, that he should have no problem justify moving grand bazzar/squatters to ensure the ramp had the correct bank/slope maintain traction. That is if T&T had the equivalent of an imminent domain law.
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: elan on April 27, 2009, 09:47:52 PM
People must be vex cause he actually finish something he star I don't know. After all remember he mess up the BLS/C.
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: just cool on April 27, 2009, 11:33:21 PM
So 3 lanes runnin north-south, then 2 lanes of ramp traffic joinin that goin south, and they have to merge.
I wonder if the ramp traffic is goin to the left or right of that bridge support.
If it goin right, merging before the bridge, cars will not have much time to merge.
I feel it goin left of the support.

In any case it does look like it headin straight into the support.

There is traffic that is going to be coming from north (mount hope) , so who merges ?
The traffic coming off the fly over should not be the merging traffic since they have the row, so consider that.
Now I heard or read that there was a problem but I paid it no mind then but I can see a problem.
Originally when this fly over was proposed over 20 yrs ago the stag factory was supposed to go to make way for it and it did then the Syrians build Grand Bazaar.
All I saying is it doh look right to me but I suppose when they open the thing we will know.

Meh family was telling me the same thing, but then I was thinking manning take people savannah for he back yard, why he couldnot do the same and take the some of the mall land. Isn't bamboo goverment land that people squatting on???
Oh well only in trini you does know who you could mess with.
Yuh could'nt resist the temptation tuh bring in the racist politicing again eh? you and another member remind me of them conservative radio talk show host here in the U.S. every thing Obama do is never good enough for them! and it's all fueled by ill feelings, rather than political disatisfaction or partisanism!

Well see what you want to see, but it's interesting how you equate being anti manning as being racist, as if one equals the other. You missed the point entirely if manning could justify taking the savannh for his diplomatic center, that he should have no problem justify moving grand bazzar/squatters to ensure the ramp had the correct bank/slope maintain traction. That is if T&T had the equivalent of an imminent domain law.

But even a blind man could see it. it's ironic you never have nutten bad tuh say about panday who full of faults, but manning always under fire as far as you're concerned!

so what yuh want meh to think?
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: Organic on April 28, 2009, 04:01:43 AM
So 3 lanes runnin north-south, then 2 lanes of ramp traffic joinin that goin south, and they have to merge.
I wonder if the ramp traffic is goin to the left or right of that bridge support.
If it goin right, merging before the bridge, cars will not have much time to merge.
I feel it goin left of the support.

In any case it does look like it headin straight into the support.

There is traffic that is going to be coming from north (mount hope) , so who merges ?
The traffic coming off the fly over should not be the merging traffic since they have the row, so consider that.
Now I heard or read that there was a problem but I paid it no mind then but I can see a problem.
Originally when this fly over was proposed over 20 yrs ago the stag factory was supposed to go to make way for it and it did then the Syrians build Grand Bazaar.
All I saying is it doh look right to me but I suppose when they open the thing we will know.

Meh family was telling me the same thing, but then I was thinking manning take people savannah for he back yard, why he couldnot do the same and take the some of the mall land. Isn't bamboo goverment land that people squatting on???
Oh well only in trini you does know who you could mess with.
Yuh could'nt resist the temptation tuh bring in the racist politicing again eh? you and another member remind me of them conservative radio talk show host here in the U.S. every thing Obama do is never good enough for them! and it's all fueled by ill feelings, rather than political disatisfaction or partisanism!

Well see what you want to see, but it's interesting how you equate being anti manning as being racist, as if one equals the other. You missed the point entirely if manning could justify taking the savannh for his diplomatic center, that he should have no problem justify moving grand bazzar/squatters to ensure the ramp had the correct bank/slope maintain traction. That is if T&T had the equivalent of an imminent domain law.

But even a blind man could see it. it's ironic you never have nutten bad tuh say about panday who full of faults, but manning always under fire as far as you're concerned!

so what yuh want meh to think?
JC bro thats because manning is de current prime minister and he is an ass!!
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: verycute1 on April 28, 2009, 05:35:13 AM
So 3 lanes runnin north-south, then 2 lanes of ramp traffic joinin that goin south, and they have to merge.
I wonder if the ramp traffic is goin to the left or right of that bridge support.
If it goin right, merging before the bridge, cars will not have much time to merge.
I feel it goin left of the support.

In any case it does look like it headin straight into the support.

There is traffic that is going to be coming from north (mount hope) , so who merges ?
The traffic coming off the fly over should not be the merging traffic since they have the row, so consider that.
Now I heard or read that there was a problem but I paid it no mind then but I can see a problem.
Originally when this fly over was proposed over 20 yrs ago the stag factory was supposed to go to make way for it and it did then the Syrians build Grand Bazaar.
All I saying is it doh look right to me but I suppose when they open the thing we will know.

Meh family was telling me the same thing, but then I was thinking manning take people savannah for he back yard, why he couldnot do the same and take the some of the mall land. Isn't bamboo goverment land that people squatting on???
Oh well only in trini you does know who you could mess with.
Yuh could'nt resist the temptation tuh bring in the racist politicing again eh? you and another member remind me of them conservative radio talk show host here in the U.S. every thing Obama do is never good enough for them! and it's all fueled by ill feelings, rather than political disatisfaction or partisanism!

Well see what you want to see, but it's interesting how you equate being anti manning as being racist, as if one equals the other. You missed the point entirely if manning could justify taking the savannh for his diplomatic center, that he should have no problem justify moving grand bazzar/squatters to ensure the ramp had the correct bank/slope maintain traction. That is if T&T had the equivalent of an imminent domain law.

But even a blind man could see it. it's ironic you never have nutten bad tuh say about panday who full of faults, but manning always under fire as far as you're concerned!

so what yuh want meh to think?
JC bro thats because manning is de current prime minister and he is an ass!!

Thats a nice blunt way of putting it  :rotfl:
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: trinindian on April 28, 2009, 05:50:36 AM
So 3 lanes runnin north-south, then 2 lanes of ramp traffic joinin that goin south, and they have to merge.
I wonder if the ramp traffic is goin to the left or right of that bridge support.
If it goin right, merging before the bridge, cars will not have much time to merge.
I feel it goin left of the support.

In any case it does look like it headin straight into the support.

There is traffic that is going to be coming from north (mount hope) , so who merges ?
The traffic coming off the fly over should not be the merging traffic since they have the row, so consider that.
Now I heard or read that there was a problem but I paid it no mind then but I can see a problem.
Originally when this fly over was proposed over 20 yrs ago the stag factory was supposed to go to make way for it and it did then the Syrians build Grand Bazaar.
All I saying is it doh look right to me but I suppose when they open the thing we will know.

Meh family was telling me the same thing, but then I was thinking manning take people savannah for he back yard, why he couldnot do the same and take the some of the mall land. Isn't bamboo goverment land that people squatting on???
Oh well only in trini you does know who you could mess with.
Yuh could'nt resist the temptation tuh bring in the racist politicing again eh? you and another member remind me of them conservative radio talk show host here in the U.S. every thing Obama do is never good enough for them! and it's all fueled by ill feelings, rather than political disatisfaction or partisanism!

Well see what you want to see, but it's interesting how you equate being anti manning as being racist, as if one equals the other. You missed the point entirely if manning could justify taking the savannh for his diplomatic center, that he should have no problem justify moving grand bazzar/squatters to ensure the ramp had the correct bank/slope to maintain traction. That is if T&T had the equivalent of an imminent domain law.

But even a blind man could see it. it's ironic you never have nutten bad tuh say about panday who full of faults, but manning always under fire as far as you're concerned!

so what yuh want meh to think?

So what is your excuse???
Take some time do a little research and you would see I doh like Panday either or the present batch of T&T politicans, but I guess it too hard to click on previous posts and it is easier to pass your warped view as fact. I don't care what you think, just that you do it.
Title: Re: Should T&T add a toll booth to the highway.
Post by: Sam on April 28, 2009, 06:55:49 AM
I support this.

De only bad thing about this is, de money will not go back into de roads etc, it will end up in somebodys pocket.
Title: Re: Should T&T add a toll booth to the highway.
Post by: Controversial on April 28, 2009, 07:54:38 AM
the govt have enough money to maintain the roads, they dont need more bc it will end up in someones foreign bank account
Title: Re: Should T&T add a toll booth to the highway.
Post by: capodetutticapi on April 28, 2009, 08:51:05 AM
my firdst reaction is to say No....and make public transport better

but then again....how else could they reduce the amount of cars on the road
have an HOV lane.
Title: Re: Should T&T add a toll booth to the highway.
Post by: Errol on April 28, 2009, 08:51:59 AM
Good idea.
Title: Re: Should T&T add a toll booth to the highway.
Post by: Mr Fix-it on April 28, 2009, 10:13:11 AM
my firdst reaction is to say No....and make public transport better

but then again....how else could they reduce the amount of cars on the road
have an HOV lane.

For all dem ph drivers to use LOL
Title: Re: Should T&T add a toll booth to the highway.
Post by: Deeks on April 28, 2009, 03:09:51 PM
Not yet. But I think they should seriously consider it. But like someone said, lets hope the toll money go to maintenance of the HWYs and not some other projects.
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: Deeks on April 28, 2009, 03:13:57 PM
All who in favour term limits for PMs, no matter what party affiliation, say Aye.
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: elan on April 28, 2009, 03:23:57 PM
All who in favour term limits for PMs, no matter what party affiliation, say Aye.

Aye
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: trinindian on April 28, 2009, 04:48:55 PM
All who in favour term limits for PMs, no matter what party affiliation, say Aye.

Aye,
Me ah in this PM/President for life thing.

I think there was a similar discussion a while back.
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: just cool on April 28, 2009, 05:46:30 PM
So 3 lanes runnin north-south, then 2 lanes of ramp traffic joinin that goin south, and they have to merge.
I wonder if the ramp traffic is goin to the left or right of that bridge support.
If it goin right, merging before the bridge, cars will not have much time to merge.
I feel it goin left of the support.

In any case it does look like it headin straight into the support.

There is traffic that is going to be coming from north (mount hope) , so who merges ?
The traffic coming off the fly over should not be the merging traffic since they have the row, so consider that.
Now I heard or read that there was a problem but I paid it no mind then but I can see a problem.
Originally when this fly over was proposed over 20 yrs ago the stag factory was supposed to go to make way for it and it did then the Syrians build Grand Bazaar.
All I saying is it doh look right to me but I suppose when they open the thing we will know.

Meh family was telling me the same thing, but then I was thinking manning take people savannah for he back yard, why he couldnot do the same and take the some of the mall land. Isn't bamboo goverment land that people squatting on???
Oh well only in trini you does know who you could mess with.
Yuh could'nt resist the temptation tuh bring in the racist politicing again eh? you and another member remind me of them conservative radio talk show host here in the U.S. every thing Obama do is never good enough for them! and it's all fueled by ill feelings, rather than political disatisfaction or partisanism!

Well see what you want to see, but it's interesting how you equate being anti manning as being racist, as if one equals the other. You missed the point entirely if manning could justify taking the savannh for his diplomatic center, that he should have no problem justify moving grand bazzar/squatters to ensure the ramp had the correct bank/slope to maintain traction. That is if T&T had the equivalent of an imminent domain law.

But even a blind man could see it. it's ironic you never have nutten bad tuh say about panday who full of faults, but manning always under fire as far as you're concerned!

so what yuh want meh to think?

So what is your excuse???
Take some time do a little research and you would see I doh like Panday either or the present batch of T&T politicans, but I guess it too hard to click on previous posts and it is easier to pass your warped view as fact. I don't care what you think, just that you do it.
I see yuh have tuh resort tuh petty insults BC someone called yuh on yuh biasness! why not deal wid it with some sort of civility instead of being caty!!

i not saying that manning is ah saint, far be it from him, but he definatly didn't come and meet a rosey situation either, and despite constant literal negative opposition from the UNC leader he's been doing somewhat of an OK job! and for that he should be comended.

yuh must remember that T&T is seriously underdevelope and lacks proper infrastructure as we speak! and manning is doing something about it!

that's more than i could say of any other leader we've had over the yrs. so why not let it be instead of finding fault!

if this man was sitting idley by and doing nothing to improve the infrastucture of the state, then i would be more open to indulge opposition, but when a man tries to improve the deplorable condition of a country and ppl continue to nit pick over small simple things, to me it's clearly a sign of partisan politics @ work.

i'm in no wise a PNM supporter so there's no motive on my part to endorse manning, but @ the same time , i think ppl are being unfiar to the point where it's becoming rediculus!

for yrs ppl have lost valuable amounts of land due to eminent domain, and in some cases eminent domain did not apply. sad to say , but that the price we pay for progress! it don't come cheap my friend, to the citizens and the state!


BTW , i do think there's eminent domain equivalent laws on the books and it's active as far as i know! BC my great grand mother lose some land BC they wanted to build a road through her property.
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: trinindian on April 28, 2009, 06:38:26 PM
I see yuh have tuh resort tuh petty insults BC someone called yuh on yuh biasness! why not deal wid it with some sort of civility instead of being caty!!

i not saying that manning is ah saint, far be it from him, but he definatly didn't come and meet a rosey situation either, and despite constant literal negative opposition from the UNC leader he's been doing somewhat of an OK job! and for that he should be comended.

yuh must remember that T&T is seriously underdevelope and lacks proper infrastructure as we speak! and manning is doing something about it!

that's more than i could say of any other leader we've had over the yrs. so why not let it be instead of finding fault!

if this man was sitting idley by and doing nothing to improve the infrastucture of the state, then i would be more open to indulge opposition, but when a man tries to improve the deplorable condition of a country and ppl continue to nit pick over small simple things, to me it's clearly a sign of partisan politics @ work.

i'm in no wise a PNM supporter so there's no motive on my part to endorse manning, but @ the same time , i think ppl are being unfiar to the point where it's becoming rediculus!

for yrs ppl have lost valuable amounts of land due to eminent domain, and in some cases eminent domain did not apply. sad to say , but that the price we pay for progress! it don't come cheap my friend, to the citizens and the state!


BTW , i do think there's eminent domain equivalent laws on the books and it's active as far as i know! BC my great grand mother lose some land BC they wanted to build a road through her property.

You ask for civility yet in your initial response you call me a racist, to me that is an insult. On the matter of progress, I am in support of the fly over and I also in support of the relocating grand bazzar and bamboo if that is what it takes to properly construct the fly over, what I am not in support of is the fact that some people with money seem to be able to resist more than those other. I may have been rash in jumping to this conclusion because as a previous post indicated real-estate was taken from the grand bazzar compound. But is not what you take away from my posts, no all you saw was anti manning and that automatically made me a racist to me that is disrespectful.

Respect is giving to those that give it.
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: just cool on April 28, 2009, 09:56:14 PM
I see yuh have tuh resort tuh petty insults BC someone called yuh on yuh biasness! why not deal wid it with some sort of civility instead of being caty!!

i not saying that manning is ah saint, far be it from him, but he definatly didn't come and meet a rosey situation either, and despite constant literal negative opposition from the UNC leader he's been doing somewhat of an OK job! and for that he should be comended.

yuh must remember that T&T is seriously underdevelope and lacks proper infrastructure as we speak! and manning is doing something about it!

that's more than i could say of any other leader we've had over the yrs. so why not let it be instead of finding fault!

if this man was sitting idley by and doing nothing to improve the infrastucture of the state, then i would be more open to indulge opposition, but when a man tries to improve the deplorable condition of a country and ppl continue to nit pick over small simple things, to me it's clearly a sign of partisan politics @ work.

i'm in no wise a PNM supporter so there's no motive on my part to endorse manning, but @ the same time , i think ppl are being unfiar to the point where it's becoming rediculus!

for yrs ppl have lost valuable amounts of land due to eminent domain, and in some cases eminent domain did not apply. sad to say , but that the price we pay for progress! it don't come cheap my friend, to the citizens and the state!


BTW , i do think there's eminent domain equivalent laws on the books and it's active as far as i know! BC my great grand mother lose some land BC they wanted to build a road through her property.

You ask for civility yet in your initial response you call me a racist, to me that is an insult. On the matter of progress, I am in support of the fly over and I also in support of the relocating grand bazzar and bamboo if that is what it takes to properly construct the fly over, what I am not in support of is the fact that some people with money seem to be able to resist more than those other. I may have been rash in jumping to this conclusion because as a previous post indicated real-estate was taken from the grand bazzar compound. But is not what you take away from my posts, no all you saw was anti manning and that automatically made me a racist  to me that is disrespectful.

Respect is giving to those that give it.
That was not my intention. if yuh knew me then you would know that i don't mark ppl for anything unless i really pips they style! and that takes time.

there was no where in my responce did i say you are a racist, what i said was "yuh couldn't resist the temptation tuh bring in the racist politicing again eh".

what i mean't tuh say is that politics in T&T has become more racist and less politically oriented. i didn't mean tuh say "you" were racist, but this UNC PNM nigger coolie politics in trinidad is just that! and it has nothing tuh do with the issues! that's why the counrty is in such a mess. no commitment to what is right!
Title: Re: Should T&T add a toll booth to the highway.
Post by: Peter on April 29, 2009, 02:17:02 AM
Should T&T add a toll booth to the Uriah Butler Highway, north to south and south to north ?

Would this help ease traffic. It could also help public transportaion and water taxis make more money. The money made would help maintain the roads in T&T. And also create some employment.

It don't have to be much. A simple $1 for cars and $2 for trucks over a year could add up. And if people buy an easy pass they would get a discount of 50 cents per-dollar.


Photos posted by e-man.

Flex man, I doh even want to friiickiiinggg hear about that!!! I appreciate that you were just making a suggestion, but let me explain my anger and annoyance.(not at you, but at the subject as a whole) So many people in this country struggle just to be able to eat and get by and barely live in this backwater country, and all people could do is make suggestions that'll make life harder for them! What a way to stop traffic- make it so that only the poorest people who worked and struggled and got a car, to save themselves from the coconut-republic public transportation system in Trinidad, they will have to leave their cars at home and go add to their already very hard daily lives having to once again fight up just to reach to work. I hear some damn fricking conniving Gov officials talking about that same toll booth sh*t.

The thing is, DEVELOPED countries have toll booths, because they already have a well developed and efficient pubilc transportation system, so its not like here where people by and large have to struggle to live country, and to add to their already hard life, those who managed to escape are thrown back into Coconut-Republic transport that is PTSC and Maxi-taxis.( breadvans that travel routes at random times and at their own varying terms picking up passengers- yes, Germany can learn alot from us)

An approach that shows more concern and respect and care for the struggling citizens will be to make PTSC into respectable service and tickets available widespread, along with many other options. Only after the citizens' lives are eased up a whole lot( you can think about doing something like this, otherwise it's just like kicking a poor-man in the balls when he's already dragging on the ground.
Title: Interchange to open on Friday.
Post by: Sam on April 29, 2009, 03:55:46 AM
Interchange to open on Friday.
By: Ria Taitt (Express).


Government will open one phase of the Churchill-Roosevelt/Uriah Butler Highways Interchange Project on Friday.

Speaking at the Breakfast with the Prime Minister at the Crowne Plaza hotel in Port of Spain yesterday, Works Minister Colm Imbert said Government was about to complete phase two of the Interchange.

Imbert, who detailed some of the plans for his Ministry under the Vision 2020 programme, highlighted a $17 billion road programme, consisting of 13 separate freeways and highways and 471 kilometres of road which, he said, would provide easy access to any part of Trinidad.

He also stated that construction of the Rapid Rail was due to start in mid-2010 and "within 36 to 39 months, the first train should roll out of Port of Spain".

Imbert said the Rapid Rail was needed because there were some 550,000 trips per day on the main roads of Trinidad and 275 trips per day from Port of Spain to other parts of the country. He said travel time (per individual) was in excess of four hours a day.

"The road system is overwhelmed," he said, adding that putting more buses on the road was a poor solution.

Contending that a different mass transit system was required, he said the Rapid Rail would provide 194 million trips annually by 2032.

Imbert said Government planned to construct two rail lines-the East-West line from Sangre Grande to Westmoorings, and the North-South line from UWI to San Fernando.

It also planned to establish a Mass Transit Authority, which would have a railway division, ferry division and omnibus division, and which would be responsible to all forms of mass transit, he said.

He said Government was now at the end of the phase one (early engineering and designing) of the system and was entering the second phase of the rail system, which involved detailed designs and construction. He said the rail system would be constructed in five segments and Government was hoping to construct all segments simultaneously.

The five segments would be: a. City Gate to Chaguanas; b. San Fernando to Chaguanas; c. UWI to Arima; d. City Gate to Westmoorings; e. Arima to Sangre Grande.

Imbert said a technical team from the Ministry and National Infrastructure Development Company (Nidco) visited France to witness how long it takes to load and offload one of the trains, and the results were very satisfactory.

The Rapid Rail would travel at 160 kilometres (100 miles) per hour and it would take 39 minutes to get from Port of Spain to San Fernando, he said. He added that it was the intention to have a train leaving every five to ten minutes during peak periods.

Imbert said the Rapid Rail would be built on a design/build/operate basis.

He noted that Government had been able to attract some of the largest contractors and consultants in the world. French firm Bouygues, the company that is leading the consortium for the Rapid Rail, is reputedly the second largest construction company in the world.

Vinci Construction Grands Projets, which is involved in the Interchange project, is the largest construction company in the world; while AECOM, the company which would be involved in the road network, was the probably the largest engineering consultancy firm in the world, he said.
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: trinindian on April 29, 2009, 05:58:13 AM
That was not my intention. if yuh knew me then you would know that i don't mark ppl for anything unless i really pips they style! and that takes time.

there was no where in my responce did i say you are a racist, what i said was "yuh couldn't resist the temptation tuh bring in the racist politicing again eh".

what i mean't tuh say is that politics in T&T has become more racist and less politically oriented. i didn't mean tuh say "you" were racist, but this UNC PNM nigger coolie politics in trinidad is just that! and it has nothing tuh do with the issues! that's why the counrty is in such a mess. no commitment to what is right!

Hmm lets see I disagree with Manning and I am Indian that must mean I am "racist politicing again". After all the PNM is party for the Africans and the UNC is for the Indians and I can't form an opinion outside of that, just a worker bee in a hive. Unfortunately I have to agree that we do not have a viable alternative to the PNM, but does not mean that you gives them a card blanche to do what they want.

BTW. The flyover was long over due.
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: ann3boys on April 29, 2009, 06:14:56 AM
okay well the west-south overpass will be open on Friday. whew!
let's see how it will impact the traffic from Monday. I am guessing there will be some confusion with the southbound losing their lane- which will now be the far left instead of previously far right- as usual the few of me heading west-north will be caught in between those going south and occupying everybody else's lane. shucks! it sucks to be a minority... :(
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: verycute1 on April 29, 2009, 03:54:11 PM
okay well the west-south overpass will be open on Friday. whew!
let's see how it will impact the traffic from Monday. I am guessing there will be some confusion with the southbound losing their lane- which will now be the far left instead of previously far right- as usual the few of me heading west-north will be caught in between those going south and occupying everybody else's lane. shucks! it sucks to be a minority... :(


Anyone want to hazzard a guess as to how many accidents it will have by monday?

I going with a nice round number of 10.
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: Tallman on April 30, 2009, 07:57:37 PM
CLICK HERE (http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=11854) for a video report.
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: weary1969 on April 30, 2009, 08:37:53 PM
CLICK HERE (http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=11854) for a video report.

Tmorrow would hae been a good day 2 duck dem but must go 2 wuk
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: dcs on May 01, 2009, 09:02:12 AM
Opening today at noon.
There is a pdf with the info circulating.
Scanned letter from NIDCO
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: Brownsugar on May 01, 2009, 12:07:36 PM
Mih cousin just report that he pass over the fly over and it just a matter of up over and keep going straight.   So it seems that according to him, there is no issue with merging/exiting the fly over....we'll see....
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: Peong on May 01, 2009, 12:17:29 PM
In the video report Tallman posted, the engineer said that the two flyover lanes get priority at the merge point.
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: g on May 01, 2009, 12:37:53 PM
Even though i living in d east, Ah feel i going over d flyover today yes... Ill redirect east by caroni flyover.  ;D

This should alleviate the extensive backup on the beetham by some measure.
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: Saywha on May 01, 2009, 12:45:09 PM
Even though i living in d east, Ah feel i going over d flyover today yes... Ill redirect east by caroni flyover.  ;D

This should alleviate the extensive backup on the beetham by some measure.

You know what they call people like you .............. neversee comesee  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
 :beermug:
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: Babalawo on May 01, 2009, 03:22:11 PM
how much people will try to over take people on the shoulder?
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: weary1969 on May 01, 2009, 07:20:34 PM
Even though i living in d east, Ah feel i going over d flyover today yes... Ill redirect east by caroni flyover.  ;D

This should alleviate the extensive backup on the beetham by some measure.

You know what they call people like you .............. neversee comesee  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
 :beermug:

He have real company because peeps on either side of d fly over lookin over and takin pics.
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: daryn on May 01, 2009, 08:15:38 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/ujCSujYB6wM
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: Babalawo on May 01, 2009, 09:09:36 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/ujCSujYB6wM

just saw that.. the  driving lanes from west to east merges and that is ah mess. and if you want to go grand plaza from west, dont get on the fly over, there is no exits.  the whole thing look a mess but it doing it main purpose of easing traffic... Look at the Car @ 1:19.  Please tell me they going to install traffic lights there, or the ministry looking for some rel accidents on that flyover
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: E-man on May 01, 2009, 09:27:50 PM

just saw that.. the  driving lanes from west to east merges and that is ah mess. and if you want to go grand plaza from west, dont get on the fly over, there is no exits.  the whole thing look a mess but it doing it main purpose of easing traffic... Look at the Car @ 1:19.  Please tell me they going to install traffic lights there, or the ministry looking for some rel accidents on that flyover

yeah - from the diagram - it will be a 2nd exit right after the south flyover, then traffic circle, cross north road, traffic circle again, cross east road and you're there. Getting back west is more straight forward.

But it's not quite this
(http://rc1947.sulekha.com/mstore/rc1947/albums/default/wild_highways_next_nature.jpg)
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: pass(10trini) on May 01, 2009, 09:36:58 PM
Thanks for that babalawo.

Tell me if I right.... Is it a ttraffic Light I seeing after the overpass going South when you come off the ramp? :o

Also. Why the road moves to the left to continue going East? I thought they should have kept the highway straight instead of making man swing to the left around a curve to continue going East. That really seem like accident waiting to happen.
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: pass(10trini) on May 01, 2009, 09:39:23 PM
Aye E-man that diagram making me dizzey ;D
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: Peong on May 02, 2009, 01:27:42 AM
Thanks for that babalawo.

Tell me if I right.... Is it a ttraffic Light I seeing after the overpass going South when you come off the ramp? :o

That is the old traffic light.  That comin down.

Quote
Also. Why the road moves to the left to continue going East? I thought they should have kept the highway straight instead of making man swing to the left around a curve to continue going East. That really seem like accident waiting to happen.

I guess the ramp took priority and there was no way they could make west-east straight. Always someting eh.
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: Bitter on May 02, 2009, 05:14:22 AM
All that really need is some good signage.  The signs need to be ahead of what about to come so you could anticipate what lane you need to be in.

Also, you still seeing some interesting choices being made by other drivers. All the signs and flyover in the world not going to help with accidents if people still driving like ass. 
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: WestCoast on May 02, 2009, 07:24:35 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/ujCSujYB6wM

just saw that.. the  driving lanes from west to east merges and that is ah mess. and if you want to go grand plaza from west, dont get on the fly over, there is no exits.  the whole thing look a mess but it doing it main purpose of easing traffic... Look at the Car @ 1:19.  Please tell me they going to install traffic lights there, or the ministry looking for some rel accidents on that flyover
Very good job on the flyover :applause: :applause:

Babalawo, it looks like that fella needed to stop before turning right....
did not see a stop sign though, just a white line on the roadway....i would agree that it needs to be better setup.....
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: Bakes on May 02, 2009, 09:34:42 AM
All that really need is some good signage.  The signs need to be ahead of what about to come so you could anticipate what lane you need to be in.

Also, you still seeing some interesting choices being made by other drivers. All the signs and flyover in the world not going to help with accidents if people still driving like ass. 

True talk... man go get confuse and be making all kinda last minute corrections tuh get back on track.


I too was wondering about de setta seemee deemee turns just tuh continue going East.  Two months ago when I was there yuh just veer left past the support column and continue along yuh merry way.  Ah guess 'simple' wasn't in de final plans.


One last note... Trinidad does kill me wid dis 'flyover' talk yes, lol.
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: trinindian on May 02, 2009, 12:38:48 PM
At what point does the flag become a driving hazzard. From the angle of the video could not tell how close to the road. Some strong rain and wind could potentially rip a flag to shreds onto a unsupecting motorist, hopefully if the weather is bad enough to do that no one is crazy enough to be on the road.
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: Babalawo on May 02, 2009, 01:40:30 PM
At what point does the flag become a driving hazzard. From the angle of the video could not tell how close to the road. Some strong rain and wind could potentially rip a flag to shreds onto a unsupecting motorist, hopefully if the weather is bad enough to do that no one is crazy enough to be on the road.
yea that flag there is unnessary.

Quote
Also. Why the road moves to the left to continue going East? I thought they should have kept the highway straight instead of making man swing to the left around a curve to continue going East. That really seem like accident waiting to happen.

I guess the ramp took priority and there was no way they could make west-east straight. Always someting eh.
[/quote] Yea i know the ramp post took priority but the road could be straighter and the merging right lane from west go cause nuff accidents.
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: Bitter on May 02, 2009, 02:13:57 PM
from the drawing, it looks like there is more work to be done in that area. If reality reflects the plans, then the road will be straightened eventually.
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: Michael-j on May 02, 2009, 03:11:54 PM
At what point does the flag become a driving hazzard. From the angle of the video could not tell how close to the road. Some strong rain and wind could potentially rip a flag to shreds onto a unsupecting motorist, hopefully if the weather is bad enough to do that no one is crazy enough to be on the road.

I don't think the flag is a permanent fixture..it may just have been a little flare for the opening ceremony..From the pictures in the newspaper the flag appears to be flying from the extended arm of a crane attached to a truck. So I guess when they need their crane/ truck back they will ditch the flag. Maybe they could give it to Jack Warner to use in our matches instead of that handkerchief them little boys does be walking  out with.
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: dinho on May 02, 2009, 03:39:49 PM
i must be missing something cause it don't look that hard to me...

if you going south then you get in the left lane for the exit to go over the flyover..

if you going east stay in the center lane and stay center lane or left lane to proceed as normal..

if you going grand bazaar, then go in the right lane after you pass the flyover..

kinda sound like some ah allyuh tripping over allyuh self to find fault. Man talking about the flag could buss up and cause ah accident all kinda ting.. steups.

i waiting to hear a review from somebody who actually drive on it..
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: weary1969 on May 02, 2009, 03:51:52 PM
i must be missing something cause it don't look that hard to me...

if you going south then you get in the left lane for the exit to go over the flyover..

if you going east stay in the center lane and stay center lane or left lane to proceed as normal..

if you going grand bazaar, then go in the right lane after you pass the flyover..

kinda sound like some ah allyuh tripping over allyuh self to find fault. Man talking about the flag could buss up and cause ah accident all kinda ting.. steups.

i waiting to hear a review from somebody who actually drive on it..

As u say Omar easy as sunday morning and it was a fri evening. D sign big for all 2 read and I could get feature in d directions clip.
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: mukumsplau on May 02, 2009, 04:41:23 PM
At what point does the flag become a driving hazzard. From the angle of the video could not tell how close to the road. Some strong rain and wind could potentially rip a flag to shreds onto a unsupecting motorist, hopefully if the weather is bad enough to do that no one is crazy enough to be on the road.

I don't think the flag is a permanent fixture..it may just have been a little flare for the opening ceremony..From the pictures in the newspaper the flag appears to be flying from the extended arm of a crane attached to a truck. So I guess when they need their crane/ truck back they will ditch the flag. Maybe they could give it to Jack Warner to use in our matches instead of that handkerchief them little boys does be walking  out with.

i doh mind d flag...it hav a big ass flag too in macoya by d centre of excellence dey does light up in d nite too..does geh meh ah sense ah national pride..
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: Organic on May 02, 2009, 06:17:01 PM
its not hard at all. people may just go down the worng lane because fo habit.
yes the flag on a crane.
the part of the interchange that open eases congestion a bit..but not alot, thus far. Once u get pass johnny king rd....its no more traffic.
but between el socorro and there almost the same amount, some ease.
Its because of all the kiss meh tail traffic lights between el and johny king rd still.
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: Peter on May 02, 2009, 10:24:21 PM
At what point does the flag become a driving hazzard. From the angle of the video could not tell how close to the road. Some strong rain and wind could potentially rip a flag to shreds onto a unsupecting motorist, hopefully if the weather is bad enough to do that no one is crazy enough to be on the road.

I don't think the flag is a permanent fixture..it may just have been a little flare for the opening ceremony..From the pictures in the newspaper the flag appears to be flying from the extended arm of a crane attached to a truck. So I guess when they need their crane/ truck back they will ditch the flag. Maybe they could give it to Jack Warner to use in our matches instead of that handkerchief them little boys does be walking  out with.

i doh mind d flag...it hav a big ass flag too in macoya by d centre of excellence dey does light up in d nite too..does geh meh ah sense ah national pride..

cosign.Totally agree with you there mukumsplau, I like the flag, it really does instill national pride to see it flying by new significant infrastructure to help the people, or just to see it at all(especially the big one lol). ey, when was d last time alyuh hear bout ah flag ripping down in normal weather?? I think they could find a nice safe spot there and erect a big one(edit: ok,.., that sounded wrong), instill a little awareness of national pride and unity.
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: Brownsugar on May 03, 2009, 08:41:29 AM
I went to Grand Bazaar yesterday and it real simple like Omar says.  My only thing was the 3 lanes that were originally used to go South/Chaguanas were still clearly marked as 3 lanes.  However, when you make the right turn at the traffic light, there are 2 lanes not 3.  So I found my self in the innermost lane but I had no lane to exit into when I made my turn.  However, I realised that was going to happen so on the green light I just mash accelerator before everybody else and take the outermost lane before the driver next to me.

If the intention is to have 2 lanes now going to Grand Bazaar instead of three like before, then they need to close off that 3rd lane and make it 2.

But the thing not hard to negotiate man, they just need to get rid of the traffic lights by El Socorro and Aranguez and that will eliminate a lot more of the back up. 
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: Bakes on May 03, 2009, 08:51:52 AM
I went to Grand Bazaar yesterday and it real simple like Omar says.  My only thing was the 3 lanes that were originally used to go South/Chaguanas were still clearly marked as 3 lanes.  However, when you make the right turn at the traffic light, there are 2 lanes not 3.  So I found my self in the innermost lane but I had no lane to exit into when I made my turn.  However, I realised that was going to happen so on the green light I just mash accelerator before everybody else and take the outermost lane before the driver next to me.

If the intention is to have 2 lanes now going to Grand Bazaar instead of three like before, then they need to close off that 3rd lane and make it 2.

But the thing not hard to negotiate man, they just need to get rid of the traffic lights by El Socorro and Aranguez and that will eliminate a lot more of the back up. 


How is it going West-to-East?  I think that's where most of the concern was coming out of seeing that video.
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: Brownsugar on May 03, 2009, 09:33:36 AM
How is it going West-to-East?  I think that's where most of the concern was coming out of seeing that video.

West to East is not difficult.  Here's what happens.  Coming out of Aranguez, you have to start driving in the outer most left lanes if you know you are going South/Chaguanas.  Every body else stays on the right.  Then when the South people start entering the "off ramp" to go up onto the fly over, every one else just starts to take up their respective lanes.  If you are going East, occupy the left lanes just like before.  If you are going Bamboo/Grand Bazaar, take up the right lanes just like before.

The only problem I see, and that is probably just in the initial stages, is that people from South may be so used to occupying the outermost right lanes that they forget and then decide at the last minute that they need to be in the left lanes.   

Also, they need to put up some signs advising which lanes to occupy upon aproaching the fly over/intersection.  I don't recall seeing any yesterday when I passed by so right now you have to make a mental note to decide on which lanes you are going to take depending on where you are going.

I hope I eh confuse yuh Bakes....
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: Bakes on May 03, 2009, 12:37:37 PM
How is it going West-to-East?  I think that's where most of the concern was coming out of seeing that video.

West to East is not difficult.  Here's what happens.  Coming out of Aranguez, you have to start driving in the outer most left lanes if you know you are going South/Chaguanas.  Every body else stays on the right.  Then when the South people start entering the "off ramp" to go up onto the fly over, every one else just starts to take up their respective lanes.  If you are going East, occupy the left lanes just like before.  If you are going Bamboo/Grand Bazaar, take up the right lanes just like before.

The only problem I see, and that is probably just in the initial stages, is that people from South may be so used to occupying the outermost right lanes that they forget and then decide at the last minute that they need to be in the left lanes.   

Also, they need to put up some signs advising which lanes to occupy upon aproaching the fly over/intersection.  I don't recall seeing any yesterday when I passed by so right now you have to make a mental note to decide on which lanes you are going to take depending on where you are going.

I hope I eh confuse yuh Bakes....

Nah, thankfully I drove there just after Carnival so ah could picture what yuh describing... but what had me confused (and I guessed others) was for people continuing east past the interchange, what their commute would look like.  From the video it seems as though they have to navigate all kinda circles and thing and this is why folks was saying that they make it too complicated.  Man should be able to hug the two left-most lanes and just go straight thru w/out having to go thru any circles.

------------
After watching the vid again I was wrong though... it's clear from the vid you stay middle until the ramp to South, then get into the left lanes and continue straight.  Got it now  :beermug:
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: Organic on May 03, 2009, 01:06:13 PM
Ok trinis is de worst. real neve see come see shit
People parking up at the top of the fly over to take of pictures.  five, six cars at a time steups.
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: Peong on May 03, 2009, 09:43:15 PM
lol organic it musbe have nice breeze up there too.
Just now ppl will park up and crack open some Vat 19.
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: Bourbon on May 03, 2009, 10:03:33 PM
lol organic it musbe have nice breeze up there too.
Just now ppl will park up and crack open some Vat 19.

Dah was Saturday.
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: weary1969 on May 04, 2009, 11:35:04 AM
Ok trinis is de worst. real neve see come see shit
People parking up at the top of the fly over to take of pictures.  five, six cars at a time steups.


I expect 2 c bride and bridal party. Imagine it have no parking sign now. On d shoulder of a highway. As Iwer say we reachhhhhhhhh
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: g on May 04, 2009, 12:27:35 PM
Ok trinis is de worst. real neve see come see shit
People parking up at the top of the fly over to take of pictures.  five, six cars at a time steups.


Lewwe take een d sights at least for d first weekend nah!  ;D

Is we who pay for d ting.

After a week the nostalgia will wear off
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: Babalawo on May 04, 2009, 05:16:59 PM
i just knew that shoulder lane on the fly over would cuz that  :rotfl:.  Its for emergency personells drivers. cops/fire truck/ambulance....
and Brownsugar how about the mergeing  lanes driving west to east as you pass under the flyover, near the flyover poles.?
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: dwolfman on May 04, 2009, 05:53:32 PM
Ok trinis is de worst. real neve see come see shit
People parking up at the top of the fly over to take of pictures.  five, six cars at a time steups.
Only 5 or 6? When we pass there on Saturday it had plenty people liming on the overpass. Not even taking pictures, just liming as if is the look over point on North Coast Road.

Driving from West to East has not changed. Exactly what we did when the interchange was going up is exactly what we doing now. The only problem with this system is that we are reckless drivers with no knowledge or no care for what the lines on the road mean or how to merge safely. Approaching the intersection from the east (obviously we are heading west) to go south was also the exact same, but there is some merging to do from where the overpass comes down. I felt people were speeding there with no concern for road conditions, which suprised me because the thing only open a day (at the time).

At the end of the day whoever say between El Socorrow and Aranguez will still be a problem is correct.
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: sammy on May 04, 2009, 06:51:59 PM

At the end of the day whoever say between El Socorrow and Aranguez will still be a problem is correct.

yes but at least they dont have to suffer after passing the aranguez lights, esp the people who going east. Dem south men used to go up on the east lanes and block it whilst waiting to cut in on the rest of people on the south lanes awaiting their turn. (hope the wording makes sense )

Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: Babalawo on May 04, 2009, 10:13:59 PM

http://www.youtube.com/v/qiCbDSGe9J4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiCbDSGe9J4

Look 2 pull over but notice police presents further down. people really think this a toy.  meh big cousin from siparia drive an hour and a half just to drive over the thing. people is rel kicks eh
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: Babalawo on May 04, 2009, 11:39:18 PM
Rachel Price liming on the overpass  :rotfl:  :rotfl:  :rotfl:  :rotfl:
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1156590520105&ref=nf
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: Bakes on May 05, 2009, 12:01:29 AM
Rachel looking pretty boy... gorgeous darkie.  If only if she bottom could match she top ah ready to send she ring.
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: Peter on May 06, 2009, 01:56:38 AM
Ah, Babalawo, see you listen to Blink 182 also.
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: ann3boys on May 06, 2009, 06:56:16 AM
well yesterday I left town at 5.25pm and reached home at an amazing time of 6.05pm. yay!!! daylight!!! :applause:
long time I haven't seen my plants in daylight during the week. usually I leave home in the dark and reach back even darker....
well the overpass seems to have had a positive effect. I hope it is real. when the water taxi started we had a week of good flowing traffic too. that didn't last.
wonder what's happening to that boat?? no news of it recently..
 ;D
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: Bitter on May 06, 2009, 07:36:48 AM
Conventional wisdom says that the number of cars on the road will increase to take up the slack.
Once ppl realize they could get around faster they will drive more. More cars on the road leading back to the same situation.
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: Peong on May 06, 2009, 08:27:03 AM
ann3boys, how far is your commute?
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: ann3boys on May 06, 2009, 09:18:08 AM
I 'just' travel from St. Joseph to POS ...
yup, I leave home at 5.30 am and leave town at same time pm.
good eh? ;D
joys of having your own business.... ;D
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: Tallman on May 11, 2009, 05:37:32 AM
(http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs033.snc1/4313_190420140216_732235216_6726428_6843952_n.jpg)
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: lefty on May 11, 2009, 06:25:58 AM
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 oh gawd :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :beermug:
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: Babalawo on May 11, 2009, 06:13:57 PM
Ah, Babalawo, see you listen to Blink 182 also.
nah. that a random video i found on youtube
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: dwolfman on May 12, 2009, 12:19:50 PM
It apparently helping the East to West flow on mornings too. Meh breddrin say he getting to P.O.S. a little more than 30 minutes earlier in the morning. He often leaves town after 7:00 so he say it not making that big a difference for him to go home.

At the end of the day whoever say between El Socorrow and Aranguez will still be a problem is correct.
yes but at least they dont have to suffer after passing the aranguez lights, esp the people who going east. Dem south men used to go up on the east lanes and block it whilst waiting to cut in on the rest of people on the south lanes awaiting their turn. (hope the wording makes sense )
Trust me, I wasn't saying that the interchange hasn't impacted positively on the flow south or east from the Grand Bazaar intersection, just that it is only one part of a bigger situation. Oddly enough, I was able to make sense of your description.  8)
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: weary1969 on May 12, 2009, 05:04:23 PM
(http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs033.snc1/4313_190420140216_732235216_6726428_6843952_n.jpg)

 oh gawd :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :beermug:

Cosign
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: Peter on May 14, 2009, 05:11:22 AM
Ah, Babalawo, see you listen to Blink 182 also.
nah. that a random video i found on youtube

lol, cool

ALso, don't diss the people for wanting to have a look over the overpass and for admiring it abit, is OUR blasted tax and oil money pay for that, tha is WE own n THEM own too, and it's the first in trinidad like it, so I could understand peoples' amusement. Never see come see is usually for things that are more or less common somewhere, but people act like they never saw it before. Yeah, in reality is just another overpass, nothing special, but in this shitty country, I'm happy to see a rare something that makes people feeling a little more uplifted and cheerful and positive(even if it seem a little nonsensical, whaeva), and I find nobody should try to take that away from them and make them feel small for it. Yeah, I know you were just joking, it was funny too though lol, but what I said still stands though.
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: Babalawo on May 29, 2009, 05:04:21 PM
heard there was a death in a crash today on it
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: NYtriniwhiteboy.. on May 29, 2009, 05:20:15 PM
not sure if it was on it..said by grand bazaar...two people died
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: weary1969 on May 29, 2009, 05:38:16 PM
not sure if it was on it..said by grand bazaar...two people died

Saw it on d tv6 news.
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: shatta on May 29, 2009, 08:53:57 PM
still allot more to be added ;).NO ATTACKS please :rotfl:

http://www.h2kjamaica.com/cms/AboutH2k/ProjectPhotos/ProjectPhotosContd/tabid/126/Default.aspx


http://www.h2kjamaica.com/cms/AboutH2k/ProjectPhotos/ProjectPhotosContd/ProjectPhotosContd/tabid/127/Default.aspx



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmVt4zUxho8&feature=related

allot of traffick on the portmore city toll


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY9QZQF7vsc&feature=related


http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/cgi-script/csArticles/uploads/3652/toll.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/cgi-script/csArticles/articles/000036/003652.htm&usg=__BBT0rUpR6f2XOM4KI-7RbXuv2cc=&h=167&w=250&sz=6&hl=en&start=4&um=1&tbnid=Ulc7ner3XxPdLM:&tbnh=74&tbnw=111&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dportmore%2Btoll%2Broad%2Bjamaica%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4ADBF_enUS321US322%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1


this is a section of the inprogress new northcoast highway that will connect resort cities

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://farm1.static.flickr.com/6/5514341_ae7de1eb97.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php%3Fp%3D22113008&usg=__HICeQtv0n4ZeSrZGSTNIx2WCbPs=&h=375&w=500&sz=33&hl=en&start=14&um=1&tbnid=3Tu0txlj81qCtM:&tbnh=98&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Djamaica%2Bnorth%2Bcoast%2Bhighway%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4ADBF_enUS321US322%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1


http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.mtw.gov.jm/images/newsroom/NewRd%2520Mobay.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.mtw.gov.jm/NewsPage/2008/Segment%25202A%2520of%2520North%2520Coast%2520Highway%2520Opened.aspx&usg=__5rYUv8VZEM4FfeLBmo2nLWY_OAc=&h=614&w=1000&sz=380&hl=en&start=5&um=1&tbnid=MkI2Sppsg6McxM:&tbnh=91&tbnw=149&prev=/images%3Fq%3Djamaica%2Bnorth%2Bcoast%2Bhighway%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4ADBF_enUS321US322%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1





Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: dcs on May 30, 2009, 11:37:34 AM


Two die in overpass accident (http://guardian.co.tt/news/general/2009/05/30/two-die-overpass-accident)
Published: 30 May 2009
Trinidad Guardian


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Fire officers work to get the driver and victims out of the damaged seven-seater taxi after the accident.
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Two people were killed and another two hospitalised after a taxi crashed into a wall at the end of the overpass on the Uriah Butler Highway, yesterday morning. Brian Lezammo, of Ayers Avenue in Princes Town, died on the spot, while Zobida Hosein, of Edinburgh Road in Chaguanas, was pronounced dead on arrival at hospital. Driver Kenrick Alverez, of Port-of-Spain, Josh Barnett, Andell Andrew and Marjorie Johnson, of Morvant, were treated at the Eric Williams Medical Sciences Complex in Mt Hope, police said.
A police report said the driver was exiting the overpass, heading south in front of the Grand Bazaar entrance, around 6 am, when he lost control of the car and slammed into a concrete wall. The accident caused a traffic jam as motorists stopped their vehicles to look at the incident. WPC Charles of the St Joseph Police is continuing the investigation. The road fatality figure stands at 97 for the year.

Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: Babalawo on May 30, 2009, 03:51:18 PM
i wonder if its that place where i said before need a traffic light. 
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: Brownsugar on May 30, 2009, 03:59:45 PM
i wonder if its that place where i said before need a traffic light. 

I'm reading the story and thinking if its the same place where some one posted initially that they saw a problem with the exit....tragic...

Edit:
I just checked and it was Fishs who first raised concerns....would be nice to get some idea as to exactly what happened to determine if is really a problem with the flyover or just some idiot just driving wild, wild and dotish as usual....
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: Babalawo on May 30, 2009, 04:52:49 PM
i have a feeling is speeding . 96 deaths so far including the boxer girl i forget her name.  Too much trinis think they are invincible when the get in a ride and speeding.  We need 24/7 highway patrol by grand bazaar  and claxton bay flyover immediately now.
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: mukumsplau on May 30, 2009, 05:13:27 PM
i wonder if its that place where i said before need a traffic light. 

I'm reading the story and thinking if its the same place where some one posted initially that they saw a problem with the exit....tragic...

Edit:
I just checked and it was Fishs who first raised concerns....would be nice to get some idea as to exactly what happened to determine if is really a problem with the flyover or just some idiot just driving wild, wild and dotish as usual....

trus me mos ah d time is wild drivin
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: weary1969 on May 30, 2009, 07:09:26 PM
i wonder if its that place where i said before need a traffic light. 

I'm reading the story and thinking if its the same place where some one posted initially that they saw a problem with the exit....tragic...

Edit:
I just checked and it was Fishs who first raised concerns....would be nice to get some idea as to exactly what happened to determine if is really a problem with the flyover or just some idiot just driving wild, wild and dotish as usual....

trus me mos ah d time is wild drivin

Cosign
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: Brownsugar on May 31, 2009, 09:02:54 AM
i wonder if its that place where i said before need a traffic light. 

I'm reading the story and thinking if its the same place where some one posted initially that they saw a problem with the exit....tragic...

Edit:
I just checked and it was Fishs who first raised concerns....would be nice to get some idea as to exactly what happened to determine if is really a problem with the flyover or just some idiot just driving wild, wild and dotish as usual....

trus me mos ah d time is wild drivin

Tell me about it.....steups!!...

I constantly check my rearview mirror  so imagine my surprise when, driving up from South yesterday, I checked the mirror and there was a white B15 behind me (for quite a while) and I am certain 5 seconds (not more than 10) had passed and when I checked the mirror again this Reanult just appeared literally out of nowhere, going at break neck speed. He (or she) cut in front of the B15 and since I wasn't moving, cut back in the next lane and just keep going with the same break neck speed up the highway.  Thing is, I followed he (or she) for quite some distance.
I does see dat kinda driving and think....

1. What is the point?  Is not like you will arrive at your destination ah whole lot faster and

2. The highway was clear yesterday since it was a public holiday so all that speed was really necessary?

I does just pray hard everyday that one of these lunatics doh hit me or any of my relatives.  Especially on that North/South (and vice-versa) stretch...real madness!!..
Title: Re: That new flyover
Post by: fari on May 31, 2009, 03:11:26 PM
if u tink that mnorth south stretch is trouble...imagine going point fortin from sando.  a time i take a point taxi to go for a job interview at some one of them companies...that driver had me clutching the seat for dear life, i swear mosquito creek pass by in a blur...will never forget that experience.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: Babalawo on July 06, 2009, 09:17:31 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-1jmPW-BhA&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/v/8-1jmPW-BhA

4 road fatalities in 4 days

By INDARJIT SEURAJ Monday, July 6 2009
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DEATH RIDE: The mangled wreck of Dillon Marcano's Toyota Land Cruiser at the Maraval Police Station. Marcano was one of four persons to be killed with...
DEATH RIDE: The mangled wreck of Dillon Marcano's Toyota Land Cruiser at the Maraval Police Station. Marcano was one of four persons to be killed with...

AN EARLY morning car crash along the Maqueripe Road in Chaguaramas yesterday, has claimed the life of a Laventille man. Police believe Brandon Barett, 22, of Lp 27 Trou Macaque Road, Laventille, died instantly when his car crashed into a concrete barrier at the side of the road.

He is the third person to die on the nation’s roads this weekend and also the fourth in four days, all in separate accidents.

The accident reportedly took place sometime between 5 am and 6.45 am. Reports are that Barett was driving a black Nissan Sunny north along the Maqueripe Road, when he lost control of the vehicle, causing it to crash on the concrete barrier. By the time onlookers had rushed to his aid in the lonely area, he was already dead.

On Saturday, a Beetham resident identified as Nehru Pooran died at about 10.30 am while attempting to cross the Beetham Highway near the NP flyover. He died instantly when he was struck by an oncoming vehicle.

Also that day, 31-year-old Dillon Marcano of Moraldo Street, Maraval died when his Toyota Land Cruiser rolled down a precipice off a street on Morne Coco Road, Maraval. The accident occurred just after 5 am.

Marcano’s van tumbled down to the bottom of the hill and eventually crashed on the compound of a gated apartment complex. He died at the Port-of-Spain General Hospital later that day.

And on Thursday evening, Anthony Solomon, 33, died in an accident at the El Socorro traffic lights on the Churchill-Roosevelt Highway.

Solomon, a security guard with Thor Security, was thrown out from a security van after it was hit from behind by a delivery truck shortly after 6 pm.

He was reportedly thrown through the back window and onto a concrete barrier dividing the east and west bound lanes. Investigations are continuing in all four deaths.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: Deeks on July 06, 2009, 01:58:13 PM
RIP everyone!
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: dwolfman on July 07, 2009, 05:53:10 AM
I don't know where she got it from, but my mom was fairly insistent that once I sat in the front seat of the car I had to wear a seat belt. Once you were under 11 you did not ride in the front seat and once in the back you couldn't lean forward between the 2 seats to talk or look out front or whatever.

Between that and living in the US for a while I've developed quite a few habits for road safety here. I've occassionally dropped my roommate's 5-year old or son or just taken him for a drive. He has to sit in the back seat and wear the seatbelt. He can't use the shoulder harness because it cuts across his neck and that is a concern for me. I've asked a relative of mine to locate the "thing" that allows the shoulder harness to fit smaller people. When I travel in the front seat of any vehicle, including taxis and maxis, I wear the seatbelt and in vehicles that are equipped with them I also strap up in the backseat.

There is no concept of road safety. Between my job and extra curricular activities I'm on the road a lot and I say my prayers regularly. Men changing lanes over solid white lines, tail gating at high speeds, swerving in and out of traffic, travelling at high speeds in dense traffic and just showing no respect for life - their own or others. That typical, "I is a borse driver, dat cyah happen to me" attitude will add plenty more fatalities to that 222 before the year done. Imagine in this day and age men still spending hours by the bar to just jump in their car to drive home after.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: MarylandTrini on July 07, 2009, 07:17:17 AM
it seems to me that  disproportionate number of thoe killed on the roads happen to be of East Indian descent.

Am I wrong?

A disproportionate number of them murdered/kidnapped too if you want to look at it that way.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: verycute1 on July 07, 2009, 04:48:15 PM
I don't know where she got it from, but my mom was fairly insistent that once I sat in the front seat of the car I had to wear a seat belt. Once you were under 11 you did not ride in the front seat and once in the back you couldn't lean forward between the 2 seats to talk or look out front or whatever.

Between that and living in the US for a while I've developed quite a few habits for road safety here. I've occassionally dropped my roommate's 5-year old or son or just taken him for a drive. He has to sit in the back seat and wear the seatbelt. He can't use the shoulder harness because it cuts across his neck and that is a concern for me. I've asked a relative of mine to locate the "thing" that allows the shoulder harness to fit smaller people. When I travel in the front seat of any vehicle, including taxis and maxis, I wear the seatbelt and in vehicles that are equipped with them I also strap up in the backseat.

There is no concept of road safety. Between my job and extra curricular activities I'm on the road a lot and I say my prayers regularly. Men changing lanes over solid white lines, tail gating at high speeds, swerving in and out of traffic, travelling at high speeds in dense traffic and just showing no respect for life - their own or others. That typical, "I is a borse driver, dat cyah happen to me" attitude will add plenty more fatalities to that 222 before the year done. Imagine in this day and age men still spending hours by the bar to just jump in their car to drive home after.


It's called a seat belt adjuster, can find at stores like toys r us in the baby section, and babies r us. it's on Amazon too, about $10.

http://www.amazon.com/Safe-Fit-Seat-Belt-Adjuster/dp/B000OR5JBE/ref=pd_cp_ba_2



Think, I've seen it at Walmart in the auto section too. I use one because the belt always cuts across my neck no matter how I adjust it.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: weary1969 on July 07, 2009, 08:39:08 PM
Breathylizer by 31/12/09 Imbert say so. I eh know if 2  :rotfl: or b >:(
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: dwolfman on July 08, 2009, 10:29:08 AM

It's called a seat belt adjuster, can find at stores like toys r us in the baby section, and babies r us. it's on Amazon too, about $10.

http://www.amazon.com/Safe-Fit-Seat-Belt-Adjuster/dp/B000OR5JBE/ref=pd_cp_ba_2

Think, I've seen it at Walmart in the auto section too. I use one because the belt always cuts across my neck no matter how I adjust it.

Thanks. My cousin told me she'll get it for me. I think she has one already.

Just last night driving home from picking up my gf at the airport a man nearly added a group of us to the growing list of statistics. We were in a bunch of cars approaching Trincity lights (travelling west) which was already red. This man, in what I think was an Accent, comes speeding down the shoulder, cuts sharply in behind me and squeezes between me and the car slightly behind me before cutting across into the lane of cars waiting to turn right where he promptly has to stop and wait anyway. I saw him coming and had already started to pull inward to make room for him to pass on the shoulder and had to swerve out when I realised he was going to fit through a space not big enough for him to fit between me and the other car. He passed so close to us that I am suprised he did not take the wing mirror with him as he sped by. How he did not hit the other car was also a miracle. The worst of it is that when we were going by where he was waiting in the turning lane he was laughing with someone in the car and completely unconcerned about his reckless behavior. I couldn't see the driver of the other car clearly because they had a fairly dark tint, but they came rolling up to the light really slow and I figured that their legs had the same jelly feeling mine did. Where this man was going that killing 3 or 4 people just to stop at the red light yards away was no big deal I would like to know.

Guess that's the government fault too.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: verycute1 on July 08, 2009, 07:26:19 PM
I hadda admit once I reach trini, and get in the car, I close my eyes till we get home. That ride from the airport  up the highway to sando, lordy the kinda driving I see there at times. I will be in town this weekend so hopefully is a peaceful weekend driving wise.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: Organic on July 08, 2009, 08:49:18 PM
I hadda admit once I reach trini, and get in the car, I close my eyes till we get home. That ride from the airport  up the highway to sando, lordy the kinda driving I see there at times. I will be in town this weekend so hopefully is a peaceful weekend driving wise.
i wish u a safe  trip to that god forsaken place. hope yuh leave with yuh life from that hell hole...yuh rbave to leave uncle sam and dem gyul.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: dwolfman on July 09, 2009, 03:31:58 PM
i wish u a safe  trip to that god forsaken place. hope yuh leave with yuh life from that hell hole...yuh rbave to leave uncle sam and dem gyul.

You must thank God every day that Trinidad and Tobago is your definition of a hell hole... I will pray to God that people like you never find out what a real hole is like.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: Organic on July 09, 2009, 04:13:36 PM
i wish u a safe  trip to that god forsaken place. hope yuh leave with yuh life from that hell hole...yuh rbave to leave uncle sam and dem gyul.

You must thank God every day that Trinidad and Tobago is your definition of a hell hole... I will pray to God that people like you never find out what a real hole is like.
sigh  ::)
Sarcasm
A form of wit that is marked by the use of sarcastic language and is intended to make its victim the butt of contempt or ridicule.
eg. Your one of the sharpest posters here.

 :praying: i dont have to define sharpest!!
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: dwolfman on July 10, 2009, 08:59:30 AM
The thing with typing is nuances or tones aren't always apparent. I apologise for the misunderstanding.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: weary1969 on July 10, 2009, 11:15:36 AM
i wish u a safe  trip to that god forsaken place. hope yuh leave with yuh life from that hell hole...yuh rbave to leave uncle sam and dem gyul.

You must thank God every day that Trinidad and Tobago is your definition of a hell hole... I will pray to God that people like you never find out what a real hole is like.
sigh  ::)
Sarcasm
A form of wit that is marked by the use of sarcastic language and is intended to make its victim the butt of contempt or ridicule.
eg. Your one of the sharpest posters here.

 :praying: i dont have to define sharpest!!

Not easily recognised in these parts.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: STEUPS!! on July 10, 2009, 11:31:55 AM
I hadda admit once I reach trini, and get in the car, I close my eyes till we get home. That ride from the airport  up the highway to sando, lordy the kinda driving I see there at times. I will be in town this weekend so hopefully is a peaceful weekend driving wise.
i wish u a safe  trip to that god forsaken place. hope yuh leave with yuh life from that hell hole...yuh rbave to leave uncle sam and dem gyul.

 :devil: :devil: :devil: :devil: :devil: :devil:
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: verycute1 on July 10, 2009, 04:04:59 PM
i wish u a safe  trip to that god forsaken place. hope yuh leave with yuh life from that hell hole...yuh rbave to leave uncle sam and dem gyul.

You must thank God every day that Trinidad and Tobago is your definition of a hell hole... I will pray to God that people like you never find out what a real hole is like.
sigh  ::)
Sarcasm
A form of wit that is marked by the use of sarcastic language and is intended to make its victim the butt of contempt or ridicule.
eg. Your one of the sharpest posters here.

 :praying: i dont have to define sharpest!!


I'd forgotten you were one of the sharpless....................... *sigh*

well just for you and your sincere thoughts I'll go to the mall and flash my iphone and see if i get stabbed since you have nothing but the best wishes for me.  Wouldnt want to let you down.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: Babalawo on July 20, 2009, 07:10:34 AM
Khan dies after crashing into electricity pole

Nikita Braxton South Bureau


Monday, July 20th 2009
 
 
 

SHAZAM KHAN was supposed to sell his green Nissan March motorcar today. The money from the sale was going towards helping him purchase a new car.

Those plans changed on Saturday night.

Police said Khan was driving his car around 10.20 p.m. along the Palmiste Boulevard in Palmiste when he slammed head-on into a metal electricity pole. The 23-year-old was assisted by passersby until an ambulance took him to the San Fernando General Hospital. He died while in the emergency room.

"He was going to sell his car and save $800 more to buy a (Nissan) B12," his brother-in-law Brian Lall said yesterday.

Lall said Khan called him on his cellular phone about five minutes after the accident and told him he lost control of the car and needed help. Lall said he did not think the request suspicious and his brother-in-law did not sound hurt. He and other relatives then left Khan's Dumfries Road, Hermitage Village, San Fernando home to meet the construction worker.

"When we got there we saw a doctor (who had stopped to assist) administering CPR on him," Lall said.

Eyewitnesses told the family the car was travelling at a normal speed when suddenly it accelerated and hit the pole. Khan was the lone occupant in the vehicle. He lived with his parents and siblings and was the eldest boy in the family.

"He told his mother he was going to buy burgers by Cross Crossing (San Fernando) and was coming back now," Lall said.

Khan had an abrasion on his forehead and cut to his chin after the accident, Lall said. An autopsy will be performed today to determine the cause of death.
 
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: Babalawo on July 31, 2009, 08:19:41 PM
(http://www.newsday.co.tt/galeria/4-1a_gustine_crash.jpg)
DEATH CRASH: Shocked relatives of coconut vendors Ramesh Ramkissoon and Rishi Joseph, look at the car both men died in following an accident in St Augustine yesterday.
Author: Indarjit Seuraj


Lifelong friends die in accident
Joel Julien jjulien@trinidadexpress.com

Friday, July 31st 2009

   

The duo were colleagues, next door neighbours, and close friends, relatives for both men, who were all gathered together outside the morgue at the Eric Williams Medical Sciences Complex (EWMSC) in Mt Hope, said yesterday.

That brotherly bond between Ramkissoon, 38, and Joseph, 27, was broken around 4 a.m. yesterday, when the car in which they were travelling slammed into the tunnel wall near the entrance to the University of the West Indies. Both men died on the spot.

Ramkissoon was a father of four children aged between 16 and four, his wife, Anna Ramlal, said.

Both men lived at Freeman Road in St Augustine all their lives, Joseph's father, Sahadeo Boodram, said.

Close to 50 family members, friends and neighbours gathered to lend support to one another outside the mortuary yesterday.

The accident which killed the two coconut vendors was the second one in two days in which two men were killed on one of the nation's roadways in an early morning crash.

On Wednesday morning, the Boyce brothers Jeffrey, 23, and Germaine, 20, both plumbers, were killed after a car crash on the Churchill Roosevelt Highway in Aranjuez.

For this month alone there have been at least four crashes in which two occupants of a vehicle have been killed.

Last Friday, Kernal Jaimungal and Vernon Bridgelal, two employees at the Ministry of Agriculture, lost their lives in a car crash in Manzanilla.

And in the first of this fatal trend for the month, gardeners Jameel Ali, 49, and his son Qadir, 21, were killed following a crash along the Churchill Roosevelt Highway in St Augustine on July 15.

Yesterday, the mangled remains of the Proton Wira that Ramkissoon and Joseph were in was parked right next to the burnt shell of the van that the Alis were in.

Both vehicles were parked on the roadway outside the St Joseph Police Station as a reminder of the 127 road fatalities for this year so far. The road fatality figure was 151 for the same period last year.

In a telephone interview with the Express yesterday, Traffic Branch Senior Superintendent Earl Gonzales said the Police Service was pleading with motorists to exercise extreme caution on the roadways, especially in this rainy season.

Gonzales also urged anyone who may witness reckless driving on this nation's roads to contact the police immediately, as this will assist in preemptive action. He added that additional mobile patrols would also be seen on the roads.

Brent Batson, the technical advisor for Arrive Alive, called on "the general public to wake up, because human lives are worth much more than taking chances on the road."

Batson also urged motorists to "use common sense", wear seat belts and ensure that their tyres and brakes are in working order during the rainy season.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: Brownsugar on August 02, 2009, 08:02:02 AM
The other day, I was waiting on the light by Ellerslie Plaza to turn green so I could turn right and drive towards Kapok and the Savannah.  When the light eventually did turn green, not one, not two, not three, but FOUR cars all ran the red light!!!....not even the sight of a 25 seater red band maxi blocking their path in one of the two lanes stopped them!!....

So with that in mind and in reference to this story....sssttteeeuupppsss!!!.....NEXT!!!!...
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: sammy on August 02, 2009, 11:49:24 AM
Breathylizer by 31/12/09 Imbert say so. I eh know if 2  :rotfl: or b >:(

Breathylizer? in trini? i cyah see people taking that on. U guaranteed to see people stopping on the highway to drink soemwhere in trini, esp on weekend or holiday.
Just last night- emancipation night- i telling my family that it go be dangerous to drive home, cause i know people go be 'emancipating' themselves all over. Play yuh en know that soon as we hit the highway - is two car loads of people (well dressed with shirt and tie etc) pull up on the shoulder and trunk up with drinks galore for everyone.
Same emancipation night a few years ago, i waiting by the lights to turn south by grand bazaar, and this man hit me from behind, i just see part of my bumper flying across the intersection. When i come out, the fella (old fella well dressed )cyah even walk or talk properly, fuss he drunk. He wife have to come out and talk for him. We went in the police station and the office say how, it eh have no law about being drunk and driving. Anyhow, no-one got injured and the fella insurance pay.

I dunno how they would implement that breathylizer nah. I feel it might have a next coup by the limers if they bring that.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: Babalawo on August 02, 2009, 02:42:13 PM
The other day, I was waiting on the light by Ellerslie Plaza to turn green so I could turn right and drive towards Kapok and the Savannah.  When the light eventually did turn green, not one, not two, not three, but FOUR cars all ran the red light!!!....not even the sight of a 25 seater red band maxi blocking their path in one of the two lanes stopped them!!....

So with that in mind and in reference to this story....sssttteeeuupppsss!!!.....NEXT!!!!...
good thing ur safe. defensive driving other than aggressive driving is the way to go
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: dwolfman on August 03, 2009, 02:14:42 PM
The other day, I was waiting on the light by Ellerslie Plaza to turn green so I could turn right and drive towards Kapok and the Savannah.  When the light eventually did turn green, not one, not two, not three, but FOUR cars all ran the red light!!!....not even the sight of a 25 seater red band maxi blocking their path in one of the two lanes stopped them!!....

So with that in mind and in reference to this story....sssttteeeuupppsss!!!.....NEXT!!!!...

That is a sad norm. I tend to hesitate to ensure it is safe before I pull off, I doh care who blow their horn.
Title: CLR Highway live traffic cam
Post by: dinho on August 07, 2009, 01:52:48 PM
http://www.livestream.com/ultimate_solutions_cam_1?origin=embedplayer
Title: Re: CLR Highway live traffic cam
Post by: Organic on August 07, 2009, 02:50:50 PM
hey man where allyuh find these things. it looking like somebody fLiming outta dey window..lol
Title: Re: CLR Highway live traffic cam
Post by: asylumseeker on August 07, 2009, 04:47:02 PM
Absolutely ... riveting ... recurring... err ... random ... another candidate fuh entertaining Zeppo.
Title: Re: CLR Highway live traffic cam
Post by: D.H.W on August 07, 2009, 06:38:32 PM
is that a private cam , or the new security cams
Title: Re: CLR Highway live traffic cam
Post by: Babalawo on August 10, 2009, 09:26:53 PM
who put that camera there? lol
Title: Re: CLR Highway live traffic cam
Post by: assrancid on August 11, 2009, 06:42:25 AM
just someone trying to sell cameras
Title: Re: CLR Highway live traffic cam
Post by: Babalawo on August 11, 2009, 03:33:26 PM
OH  can now see it at the north west corner of the intersection
Title: Re: CLR Highway live traffic cam
Post by: Dutty on August 11, 2009, 08:57:42 PM
ah jus see mih uncle pass in he orange vauxhall
Title: $2,000 fines for Traffic volations in Trinbago
Post by: AirMan on January 03, 2010, 11:49:54 PM
With the beginning of the new year... the implementation of the new penalties for traffic offences and fines should become effective... as part of the fiscal measures announced by the government during the Budget presentation of 2010.
But as it was said it was NOT done. Watch Video report here..http://www.cbeanmedia.org/TV6NEWS_F4V/Links/new_fiscal_measures_include_stiffer_penalties_for_traffic_offences_10_01_02.htm



...
Title: Re: $2,000 fines for Traffic volations in Trinbago
Post by: g on January 05, 2010, 03:43:55 PM
Shoulder does be clear on a morning since the new year turn.

Title: Re: $2,000 fines for Traffic volations in Trinbago
Post by: Bakes on January 05, 2010, 06:57:34 PM
Yet people were crying about how draconian de laws were.
Title: Re: $2,000 fines for Traffic volations in Trinbago
Post by: AirMan on January 07, 2010, 12:23:03 AM
Shoulder does be clear on a morning since the new year turn.




yeh so alot of people saying
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: Babalawo on January 18, 2010, 05:37:42 PM
Four close friends die in Manzanilla crash

Published: 18 Jan 2010
Camille Clarke

Four friends lost their lives in a vehicular accident on the Manzanilla Main Road early yesterday morning. Rikki Balroop, 23, an employee at the Ministry of Energy; Rickson Lalla, 24, an information technology student; Marvin Seebaran; and Sardiya Sharma, 23, a chemical engineering graduate, all died on the spot after their car flipped over several times and crashed into a Hilux. A report said the friends, all residents of the Sangre Grande district, were proceeding east along the main road at Sangre Chiquito around 1.14 am, when Lalla, who was driving, lost control of the car.

They had just left a “small lime” and had decided to go to Manzanilla beach, relatives said. The driver of the Hilux, Shane Leon, was taken to the Sangre Grande District Hospital where he was treated and discharged. During a brief interview at Balroop’s family home in Guaico, Terry Beekhee, Rikki’s uncle, said young drivers should pay more attention to road traffic regulations. “Most young drivers need to know what they are doing to avoid accidents...My advice to them is to study the regulations,” Beekhee said. Rikki’s brother, Hayden, said he was shocked to hear about the accident.

“I heard there were cars drag-racing and they crashed into the back of a Hilux,” he said. He had nothing but praise for his younger sibling. “He wanted to continue studying at John D (Technical Institute),” he said. “They were bright young people who would not do anything on a whim. They were the smartest people I know.” Balroop’s cousin, who refused to give his name, said he was saved, because he was “broke.” “He (Rikki) asked me continually to lime with him,” he said. “He was my cousin and we used to be very close. Money was short, or else you would be writing about me also.”

Lalla’s father, Gupta, expressed his condolences to the other families. “It is difficult to deal with...They grew up together,” Gupta said. Lalla was also Sharma’s boyfriend. Gupta said his son would have graduated with a bachelor’s degree in computer technology. Sharma’s mother, Sita, said her daughter had been hoping for a job in chemical engineering. “It was her field...She didn’t want to teach,” the distraught mother said, weeping throughout the brief interview. “I can’t function...that was my only daughter.” Manzanilla police are continuing investigations.

http://guardian.co.tt/news/general/2010/01/18/four-close-friends-die-manzanilla-crash
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: TriniCana on January 18, 2010, 07:50:52 PM
I find is time for the media houses and reporters to put down HOW THEY DIED.
You see this board statement of 'vehicular accident' ain't go work no more. Cause it's like nobody listening or seeing what going on in the roads.

Say what they died from, whether be speeding, drunk driving, texting while driving, illegal driving, breaking lights etc.. steupse!! fed up of this shit oui >:(

How frigging fast you hadda be driving for a HILUX to flip several times?
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: grimm01 on January 19, 2010, 08:47:23 AM
I find is time for the media houses and reporters to put down HOW THEY DIED.
You see this board statement of 'vehicular accident' ain't go work no more. Cause it's like nobody listening or seeing what going on in the roads.

Say what they died from, whether be speeding, drunk driving, texting while driving, illegal driving, breaking lights etc.. steupse!! fed up of this shit oui >:(

How frigging fast you hadda be driving for a HILUX to flip several times?

They get a bad drive of course... A man could have scotch in he veins, bald tires, driving twice the speed limit in the wrong lane, during a rainstorm, but the deadly bad drive will always get the blame.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: Peong on January 19, 2010, 09:36:18 AM
I find is time for the media houses and reporters to put down HOW THEY DIED.
You see this board statement of 'vehicular accident' ain't go work no more. Cause it's like nobody listening or seeing what going on in the roads.

Say what they died from, whether be speeding, drunk driving, texting while driving, illegal driving, breaking lights etc.. steupse!! fed up of this shit oui >:(

How frigging fast you hadda be driving for a HILUX to flip several times?

They were not driving the Hilux, they hit it.
And until the police determine the cause of the accident the brother's comments will have to suffice.
“I heard there were cars drag-racing and they crashed into the back of a Hilux,”

Nothing more to be said, they were obviously speeding.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: truetrini on January 19, 2010, 10:51:36 AM
Serious question here.  Not meant to be insensitive or racist.

But whenever I read of these road deaths in T&T, the vast majority seem to be East Indian.  Was wondering what caused this.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: Babalawo on January 20, 2010, 03:43:54 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db5BM-yksyk
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: Babalawo on January 25, 2010, 07:07:43 PM
(http://www.newsday.co.tt/galeria/15-3A_two_dead_4-24.01.10.jpg)
Husband, wife die in crash

By CECILY ASSON Monday, January 25 2010


TWO FAMILIES were yesterday plunged into mourning following the death of young couple Kershel Harripersad, 22, and his wife Leanna Tallan-Harripersad, 21, of San Fernando who perished in a vehicular accident.

The accident which claimed the lives of the couple happened at about 4.10 pm on the southbound lane of the Solomon Hochoy Highway near the Housing Development Corporation (HDC) in Tarouba. The accident resulted in a massive traffic pile-up.

Fire fighters had to use the “jaws of life” (a hydraulic cutting device) to remove the bodies from the wreck of their red Subaru sports car.

The couple’s one-year-old daughter Haley, first thought to be in seated in the back passenger seat, was however home safe with her grandparents.

Tallan-Harripersad’s grieving father, businessman Mitra Narinesingh, told Newsday he believed his daughter and son-in-law might have been on their way to MovieTowne when the accident happened.

According to police, at about 4.10 pm, Kershel a pipe-fitter was driving his car along the northbound lane of the highway when the vehicle crossed the median and collided with a green pick up van driven by Gregory Augustine, which was proceeding on the southbound lane. The Harripersads, who were married two years ago, died on the spot.

An injured Augustine and an unidentified passenger were rushed to the San Fernando General Hospital for treatment. Some relatives who arrived on the scene wept uncontrollably while others just stood looking on in a daze. Officers of the Mon Repos Police Station are investigating.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: Babalawo on January 25, 2010, 07:13:40 PM
(http://www.newsday.co.tt/galeria/15-1A_two_dead_5-24.01.10.jpg)

that car have rel stunts, how it down and up the ditch divide
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: weary1969 on January 25, 2010, 07:21:28 PM
It nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh gooooooooooooooooooooo stoppppppppppppp
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: Babalawo on January 25, 2010, 07:29:07 PM
When will people learn.  Racing cars are for racing, not the Highwayssss
(http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs128.snc3/17552_299235685271_518670271_5088358_7884839_n.jpg)


**** Extremely graphic photos
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=191938&id=518670271#/album.php?aid=191938&id=518670271
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: STEUPS!! on January 25, 2010, 07:29:35 PM
(http://www.newsday.co.tt/galeria/15-1A_two_dead_5-24.01.10.jpg)

that car have rel stunts, how it down and up the ditch divide

dem had to clocking some serious numbers. cuz if it is yuh lose control at a 'normal' speed, d worst mite happen to u is yuh mite end up in d ditch. but to cross onto d opposite lnae of d highway, d car wud have to 'fly' across d ditch.

when mankind in T&T go learn ?

When will people learn.  Racing cars are for racing, not the Highwayssss
(http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs128.snc3/17552_299235685271_518670271_5088358_7884839_n.jpg)


**** Extremely graphic photos
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=191938&id=518670271#/album.php?aid=191938&id=518670271

breds, ah cyah get on to d link
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: TriniCana on January 25, 2010, 07:31:46 PM
Okay......who cyah hear.... :-\

Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: Babalawo on January 25, 2010, 07:35:20 PM
(http://www.newsday.co.tt/galeria/15-1A_two_dead_5-24.01.10.jpg)

that car have rel stunts, how it down and up the ditch divide

dem had to clocking some serious numbers. cuz if it is yuh lose control at a 'normal' speed, d worst mite happen to u is yuh mite end up in d ditch. but to cross onto d opposite lnae of d highway, d car wud have to 'fly' across d ditch.

when mankind in T&T go learn ?

When will people learn.  Racing cars are for racing, not the Highwayssss
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breds, ah cyah get on to d link

Either you have to be FB friends with Jason or a friend of his friends
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: TriniCana on January 25, 2010, 07:43:08 PM
I reach photo #7 and I stopped.

man body hanging out the red car.....enough for a Monday night :-\
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: weary1969 on January 25, 2010, 09:34:33 PM
Okay......who cyah hear.... :-\



D problem is innocent peeps does feel.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: Bitter on January 25, 2010, 10:04:59 PM
Culture + youth + alcohol (in some instances) = Ridiculous accidents and innocent and not-so-innocent lives lost.
Of course, everybody behind the wheel thinks they are Michael Schumacker and is not them who is the problem, is that other idiot.

Of course, there is no follow up in the T&T papers, after the initial spectacle of twisted metal and ruined bodies, you get no information about what really happened. So it's left at the car "pick up a skid" (just so!) possible as a result of a Bad Drive.  Follow up would let us have an idea of what really happend.

Impaired driving? Vehicle malfunction? Poor road conditions? Genuine accident? Who knows?

Still as long as the papers could tell us the make and model of the car and the colour, then we have good reporting. After all, the fact that this last accident was a collision with a green truck makes the scenario so much clearer than if I didn't know the colour of the vehicle those people were driving along in before a car crossed the median of the highway and brought death through the windscreen.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: Touches on January 27, 2010, 09:46:20 AM
Assrancid brought up a very interesting point about ethnicity and the correlation with fatal accidents.

Is this a random thing?

Is it a demographic thing?

Is it because this group can afford a car?

Is it because this group has the disposable income to "hot up" their ride?

Is it because this group can afford to go party and be out at this time of night/early morning when these accidents occur?

Is it because this group has to travel further and spend more time on the road?

Is the culture of alcohol consumption more prevalent amongst this group?

Something to observe and investigate.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: JDB on January 27, 2010, 10:50:39 AM
Assrancid brought up a very interesting point about ethnicity and the correlation with fatal accidents.

Is this a random thing?

Is it a demographic thing?

Is it because this group can afford a car?

Is it because this group has the disposable income to "hot up" their ride?

Is it because this group can afford to go party and be out at this time of night/early morning when these accidents occur?

Is it because this group has to travel further and spend more time on the road?

Is the culture of alcohol consumption more prevalent amongst this group?

Something to observe and investigate.

It hard to answer any of them questions without depending on anecdotal evidence and making poor generalizations. Do we even know for sure that the numbers are skewed enough to make it a real correlation? And if so does the media report all accidents equally.

I think all your questions are good ones though. The only one that we have some factual data on is the distance argument based on what we know about the demographics of TnT. Even that is a stretch without knowing the backgrounds of the individual incidents.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: dinho on January 27, 2010, 11:22:28 AM
Assrancid brought up a very interesting point about ethnicity and the correlation with fatal accidents.

Is this a random thing?

Is it a demographic thing?

Is it because this group can afford a car?

Is it because this group has the disposable income to "hot up" their ride?

Is it because this group can afford to go party and be out at this time of night/early morning when these accidents occur?

Is it because this group has to travel further and spend more time on the road?

Is the culture of alcohol consumption more prevalent amongst this group?

Something to observe and investigate.

Is it because this group, because of their primary geographic location, makes the most use of the Solomon Hochoy highway where there are no red lights and traffic (like the CLR) to at least stem the irresponsible driving habits that are inherant to Trinidadians on the whole?

From my observation, wild/irresponsible/drunk driving eh exclusive to no group in trinidad.

The Solomon Hochoy Highway is just a more dangerous throughway.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: E-man on February 20, 2010, 02:24:24 PM
The latest viral ad trying to make a dent.

http://www.youtube.com/v/p916yeFa2Xk
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: TriniCana on February 20, 2010, 03:18:22 PM
The latest viral ad trying to make a dent.

http://www.youtube.com/v/p916yeFa2Xk

No words!!  :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: weary1969 on February 20, 2010, 05:21:21 PM
The latest viral ad trying to make a dent.

http://www.youtube.com/v/p916yeFa2Xk

 :beermug: wit coke
Title: Highways and Roadways in T&T Thread.
Post by: sammy on April 24, 2010, 06:50:10 AM
Its about time they put put some kinda barriers in place.



New barriers for Solomon Hochoy Highway
Saturday, April 24 2010

High tension cable wire barriers will be erected within the next month along the Solomon Hochoy Highway to prevent motorists from crossing the median between the north bound and south bound lanes.

Works and Transport Minister, Colm Imbert made the announcement yesterday while officially opening the new National Petroleum (NP) service station on Morne Coco Road, Maraval.

Speaking to invited guests, Imbert said the highway was chosen to test the barriers because it possesses the longest stretch of grass median in the country. He said similar barriers will also be placed on the Churchill Roosevelt Highway in the vicinity of Trincity Mall.

Other major highways including Uriah Butler Highway and the Audrey Jeffers Highway will be furnished with concrete barriers in a bid to prevent accidents where vehicles are reported to cross medians into oncoming traffic.

On Tuesday, three members of the Subiah family of Oropouche lost their lives on the Solomon Hochoy highway when a truck driven by Kerron Moses travelling in a southerly direction slammed into the family’s vehicle which was heading north on the highway.

Imbert, who is the PNM candidate for Diego Martin North/East, said the new station, which is located within his constituency, will impact positively on the community’s development.

He added that the station is the largest and most modern one in the area with 12 gas pumps after NP renovated the old two pump station.

He noted that he has been MP for the area for the past 18 years and is confident that he will remain in office after the upcoming poll on May 24.
© newsday.co.tt - www.newsday.co.tt
Title: Re: New barriers for Solomon Hochoy Highway
Post by: Brownsugar on April 24, 2010, 06:57:38 AM
Yuh see this is the kinda thing does piss me off....dem in power how long now and he only NOW realise what must be done to help curb the deaths by accidents on the highway??!!....steups....

Title: Re: New barriers for Solomon Hochoy Highway
Post by: D.H.W on April 24, 2010, 07:13:16 AM
Yuh see this is the kinda thing does piss me off....dem in power how long now and he only NOW realise what must be done to help curb the deaths by accidents on the highway??!!....steups....



exactly, in US and other countries u HAVE to put barriers in place on major highways.
Title: Re: New barriers for Solomon Hochoy Highway
Post by: kounty on April 24, 2010, 07:31:45 AM
Yuh see this is the kinda thing does piss me off....dem in power how long now and he only NOW realise what must be done to help curb the deaths by accidents on the highway??!!....steups....



exactly, in US and other countries u HAVE to put barriers in place on major highways.
not true. especially not for that size highway.
Title: Re: New barriers for Solomon Hochoy Highway
Post by: D.H.W on April 24, 2010, 07:50:30 AM
so then u saying don't put barriers then?
Title: Re: New barriers for Solomon Hochoy Highway
Post by: kounty on April 24, 2010, 08:03:17 AM
so then u saying don't put barriers then?
no. not that.  jus don't make we out to be so backward. when we really right there right now.  good move T&T.
Title: Re: New barriers for Solomon Hochoy Highway
Post by: D.H.W on April 24, 2010, 08:09:58 AM
what i meant was why wait so long to put barriers? was not making out the country to be backward. Is years it happening, accidents all over the place, now they will do it?, especially election time? was agreeing with Brown sugar statement.
Title: Re: New barriers for Solomon Hochoy Highway
Post by: elan on April 24, 2010, 10:26:13 AM
what i meant was why wait so long to put barriers? was not making out the country to be backward. Is years it happening, accidents all over the place, now they will do it?, especially election time? was agreeing with Brown sugar statement.

They now putting up High tension wire along I-40 and I-65 from TN to AL the majority of the way have none as do most Interstate.
Title: Re: New barriers for Solomon Hochoy Highway
Post by: sammy on April 24, 2010, 11:44:55 AM
i realize that u have to be happy and take what u get. Elections should be every 6 months
Title: Re: New barriers for Solomon Hochoy Highway
Post by: D.H.W on April 24, 2010, 12:22:14 PM
 :violin:
Title: Re: New barriers for Solomon Hochoy Highway
Post by: g on April 24, 2010, 05:35:04 PM
The US have less road accidents cause their highways are better patrolled, not because of barriers
Title: CARNIVAL START. MORE DRUNK DRIVERS BEWARE
Post by: Babalawo on January 23, 2011, 11:06:21 PM
Death after Fire fete
Coast Guardsman, 15-year-old Bishop's girl killed in crash
By Joel Julien and Carolyn Kissoon

Story Created: Jan 23, 2011 at 11:52 PM ECT

A member of the Coast Guard and his friend, a 15-year-old schoolgirl, were killed in a car crash yesterday after attending a Carnival fete.

Dead are 24-year-old Ordinary Seaman Jason West and Chelsi De Castro, a pupil of Bishop Anstey High School in Port of Spain

It was confirmed that West attended the Fire Services fete at Fitzblackman Drive off Wrightson Road, Port of Spain on Saturday night.

West, a member of the Coast Guard for the past three years, drove home after the fete to feed his eight pitbull dogs, his mother Sandra West said yesterday.

West lived at his family's home at Upper Covigne Road, Diego Martin.

While it could not be immediately confirmed that De Castro attended the fete with West, he left his house to drop her off after feeding his dogs in Diego Martin.

De Castro lived with her family at Lange Park, Chaguanas. ... more http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Death_after_Fire_fete-114464609.html

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Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: Preacher on January 23, 2011, 11:48:15 PM
How them cars bend up so?  They driving that fast or are the cars built with cheaper materials?  It looks like those cars need higher safety standards.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: JDB on January 24, 2011, 08:08:36 AM
How them cars bend up so?  They driving that fast or are the cars built with cheaper materials?  It looks like those cars need higher safety standards.

I don't know what yuh could make a car out of to survive a concrete lampost. From the pictures it is clear that he was at least driving too fast. Who knows whether he was tired or distracted.

Sad situation all around, especially feel it for the young girl's family.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: giggsy11 on January 24, 2011, 08:43:16 AM
Sidenote-what is a 15 year old girl doing going to a fete and doing so with a 24 year old guy?
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: lefty on January 24, 2011, 08:55:36 AM
 
Sidenote-what is a 15 year old girl doing going to a fete and doing so with a 24 year old guy?
:-X
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: weary1969 on January 24, 2011, 09:00:11 AM
Sidenote-what is a 15 year old girl doing going to a fete and doing so with a 24 year old guy?

Dat is d million dollar question in any other society. A  teacher friend of mines bounce up a student at insomnia a few yrs ago. She teaching in a good catholic female secondary school.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: JDB on January 24, 2011, 09:05:31 AM
Sidenote-what is a 15 year old girl doing going to a fete and doing so with a 24 year old guy?

I leave that one, plenty background to the story that nothing reading pleasantly and in fairness to the deceased families who suffering, I trying not to vent.

One story state she was a close family friend.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: weary1969 on January 24, 2011, 09:20:27 AM
Sidenote-what is a 15 year old girl doing going to a fete and doing so with a 24 year old guy?

I leave that one, plenty background to the story that nothing reading pleasantly and in fairness to the deceased families who suffering, I trying not to vent.

One story state she was a close family friend.


Sad 4 truth but d reality is dat is d norm in TNT. It go b a next 9 day wonder.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: sammy on January 24, 2011, 09:31:59 AM
Sidenote-what is a 15 year old girl doing going to a fete and doing so with a 24 year old guy?

I leave that one, plenty background to the story that nothing reading pleasantly and in fairness to the deceased families who suffering, I trying not to vent.

One story state she was a close family friend.
.

Sad 4 truth but d reality is dat is d norm in TNT. It go b a next 9 day wonder.
check the pic insert. She looking like 15yrs? i wonder if thats the right pic they put in?
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: Brownsugar on January 24, 2011, 09:35:41 AM
Ah like how whole weekend she was he girlfriend.  By Monday morning she was his "friend".....hhhhmmmm ah have some theories eh, but....let me not shake the jep nest.....

Condolences to all related to this tragedy.....NEXT!!!!
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: signal on January 24, 2011, 09:38:01 AM
Sidenote-what is a 15 year old girl doing going to a fete and doing so with a 24 year old guy?

I leave that one, plenty background to the story that nothing reading pleasantly and in fairness to the deceased families who suffering, I trying not to vent.

One story state she was a close family friend.
.

Sad 4 truth but d reality is dat is d norm in TNT. It go b a next 9 day wonder.
check the pic insert. She looking like 15yrs? i wonder if thats the right pic they put in?




heard that she was a dancer...maybe that look with a lot of make up was for a performance.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: JDB on January 24, 2011, 09:42:29 AM
Ah like how whole weekend she was he girlfriend.  By Monday morning she was his "friend".....hhhhmmmm ah have some theories eh, but....let me not shake the jep nest.....

Condolences to all related to this tragedy.....NEXT!!!!

Next thing you will be doubting that he leave a fete to go home to "feed dogs" at 3.00 in the morning, before dropping her home. Them dogs obviously couldn't survive the extra 2 hours it woulda take to go Central and come back.

But I digress. Again, my condolences.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: weary1969 on January 24, 2011, 09:54:08 AM
Ah like how whole weekend she was he girlfriend.  By Monday morning she was his "friend".....hhhhmmmm ah have some theories eh, but....let me not shake the jep nest.....

Condolences to all related to this tragedy.....NEXT!!!!

Next thing you will be doubting that he leave a fete to go home to "feed dogs" at 3.00 in the morning, before dropping her home. Them dogs obviously couldn't survive the extra 2 hours it woulda take to go Central and come back.

But I digress. Again, my condolences.

Things that make yuh go hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: Preacher on January 24, 2011, 10:19:23 AM
Sidenote-what is a 15 year old girl doing going to a fete and doing so with a 24 year old guy?
:-X
Once you have a car that ain't new.  Sad end to the story though.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: Daft Trini on January 24, 2011, 12:26:19 PM
Sidenote-what is a 15 year old girl doing going to a fete and doing so with a 24 year old guy?


Steups like you doh know them thing is normal in tnt... de man had a car....

Nearly lost meh life on the Manzan stretch last year around this time... drunk indian fella coming from toco... he could not stay in his lane...
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: Dutty on January 24, 2011, 12:39:13 PM
Ah like how whole weekend she was he girlfriend.  By Monday morning she was his "friend".....hhhhmmmm ah have some theories eh, but....let me not shake the jep nest.....

Condolences to all related to this tragedy.....NEXT!!!!

Next thing you will be doubting that he leave a fete to go home to "feed dogs" at 3.00 in the morning, before dropping her home. Them dogs obviously couldn't survive the extra 2 hours it woulda take to go Central and come back.

But I digress. Again, my condolences.

Things that make yuh go hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

ha lord,,allyuh eh easy in here

but to stay on topic..I eh know if is the size or curvature of we light standards but t&t is de only place I know where car does wrap completely around pole on a regular basis
since I is a lil boy , yout men huggin rx-2 and cortina around poles with precision
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: giggsy11 on January 24, 2011, 01:05:55 PM
Sidenote-what is a 15 year old girl doing going to a fete and doing so with a 24 year old guy?


Steups like you doh know them thing is normal in tnt... de man had a car....

Nearly lost meh life on the Manzan stretch last year around this time... drunk indian fella coming from toco... he could not stay in his lane...

When I was growing up all I use to remember hearing about is accident after accident on the Valencia stretch!
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: Deeks on January 24, 2011, 04:10:28 PM
Ah like how whole weekend she was he girlfriend.  By Monday morning she was his "friend".....hhhhmmmm ah have some theories eh, but....let me not shake the jep nest.....

Condolences to all related to this tragedy.....NEXT!!!!

Next thing you will be doubting that he leave a fete to go home to "feed dogs" at 3.00 in the morning, before dropping her home. Them dogs obviously couldn't survive the extra 2 hours it woulda take to go Central and come back.

But I digress. Again, my condolences.

Things that make yuh go hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

ha lord,,allyuh eh easy in here

but to stay on topic..I eh know if is the size or curvature of we light standards but t&t is de only place I know where car does wrap completely around pole on a regular basis
since I is a lil boy , yout men huggin rx-2 and cortina around poles with precision

Dutty,
              you ent lying. It seems that as soon as them cars enter TT like the water does make them soft. The cars does twis-up, ben-up and split-up, when they get in accidents.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: Bakes on January 24, 2011, 04:45:31 PM

Dutty,
              you ent lying. It seems that as soon as them cars enter TT like the water does make them soft. The cars does twis-up, ben-up and split-up, when they get in accidents.

Lol... this ent laughing matter, but this one make mih  :rotfl:


Talk of accidents on the Valencia stretch was more exaggeration than anything else.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: NYtriniwhiteboy.. on January 24, 2011, 05:18:41 PM
more and more yuh seeing them foreign used welded chassis cars...breaking apart in accidents and thing...
So many cars on the road are nowhere near road worthy!
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: Preacher on January 24, 2011, 05:30:05 PM
Well peeps who know more that me....How hard is it to

1. Give out serious speeding tickets?
2. Profile certain cars that appear to be supped up.  Check them and then charge them if needed.

No more speeders on public roads

After to or three of these events take away their license and seize the car.

How fast you have to be going for your car to almost disintegrate?  I gyah go nowhere in Minneapolis and speed like that at 3am in the morning and not get pulled over.

Trinidad playing the fool oui.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: Bakes on January 24, 2011, 05:46:36 PM
Well peeps who know more that me....How hard is it to

1. Give out serious speeding tickets?
2. Profile certain cars that appear to be supped up.  Check them and then charge them if needed.

No more speeders on public roads

After to or three of these events take away their license and seize the car.

How fast you have to be going for your car to almost disintegrate?  I gyah go nowhere in Minneapolis and speed like that at 3am in the morning and not get pulled over.

Trinidad playing the fool oui.

You good investing yuhself in this debate yes... the public in TnT not serious about traffic safety.  What has the public reception been to enforcing seatbelt regulations?  What has the reception been (even here on the forum) towards efforts to ban cellphone use while driving?  Trinidad is a mad drive society... why settle fuh getting there when yuh get there faster?  I hate to speculate but unless that car make from bubblegum it is evident that speed was a contributing factor.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: truetrini on January 24, 2011, 05:58:24 PM
right here on dis forum some peeps feel dat seatbelts are more dangerous than being safey strapped in.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: sammy on January 24, 2011, 06:15:42 PM
more and more yuh seeing them foreign used welded chassis cars...breaking apart in accidents and thing...
So many cars on the road are nowhere near road worthy!

the thing is that a lot of cars that get into accidents are pieced back together. By that i mean ppl does cut out an replace a whole half of car at a time. So i dunno if the problem comes from the foreign used directly, but rather from poor repair jobs locally.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: Babalawo on January 25, 2011, 12:11:42 AM
How them cars bend up so?  They driving that fast or are the cars built with cheaper materials?  It looks like those cars need higher safety standards.
ill say both. car look like plastic. made light weight for racing
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: Daft Trini on January 25, 2011, 12:18:59 AM
Mangled human bodies or mangled automobiles are not going to deter or curb the driving habits of individuals in TnT... has not in the past and it does not seem likely in the future...
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: Bakes on January 25, 2011, 12:35:29 AM
Mangled human bodies or mangled automobiles are not going to deter or curb the driving habits of individuals in TnT... has not in the past and it does not seem likely in the future...

Right you are... everybody know he only crash like ah ass because he doh know how to drive.
Title: Highways and Roadways in T&T Thread.
Post by: Flex on February 02, 2011, 05:15:47 AM
Have toll for new highway
GEORGE ALLEYNE (NEWSDAY).
Wednesday, February 2 2011


Government should impose a road toll on drivers of all vehicles which will use the under construction $5.2 billion Golconda to Point Fortin Highway. The toll should be used for the maintenance of the highway which will provide Port-of-Spain and areas in north and central Trinidad with a crucial and vastly improved link with Point Fortin and the largely industrial South.

The general taxpayer, whether corporate, professional, small trader or individual, would have paid for the construction of the highway whose sod was turned by Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar on January 25.

Vehicle operators, specifically, who will be using the highway on official or personal business when it is completed should now be made to pay toward the upkeep of the road. Actually, it will be a shared cost — user and general taxpayer — as a road toll which took care of total maintenance costs particularly after a few years wear and tear will be viewed as punitive.

The mechanics of the toll can be worked out by the Ministry of Works and Transport in conjunction with the Ministry of Finance. Already the overall cost of the highway, which was first mooted some three decades ago, will work out at hundreds of millions of dollars a mile what with the inclusion of compensation of land compulsorily acquired for the project pushing the final figure to $7.2 billion. Minister of Works and Transport, Jack Warner, who briefed members of the Trinidad and Tobago Chamber of Industry and Commerce last month at the Chamber’s Quarterly Luncheon meeting, had advised that between 700 to 800 would be relocated to a new community Government planned building.

This means that families will be tacitly uprooted from areas where they had lived for generations in order to accommodate the designed route which the Golconda-Point Fortin Highway will take through Debe, Penal, Siparia, Fyzabad and Mon Desir. In the meantime, the importance of the highway to the further industrial and agricultural development of South-West Trinidad should not be underestimated.

The highway which starts where the Solomon Hochoy Highway ends will facilitate not only increases in food production, as it will provide far easier links with agricultural areas and allow farmers to take their produce to the marketplace or central purchase and collection points more readily, but facilitate as well the development of small and medium sized industries. It will also stimulate internal tourism as well as provide easier access for overseas tourists to such places of interest as the world famous Pitch Lake, the Digity Village, Debe mud volcano, among others.

A critical plus, apart from the thousands of jobs which will be created as a result of the construction of the highway itself will be the additional permanent employment opportunities which will flow from the tourism, agricultural and industrial development. A great deal of them will depend on the initiative displayed by the residents.

While this column referred earlier to the introduction of a road toll for the Golconda to Point Fortin Highway, nonetheless there should be a special waiving of the road toll for farmers in the areas concerned.

These farmers will clearly wish to take advantage of the easier opportunities provided by the highway facility to take their produce to the market or bulk purchasing centres. This, in effect, would be a subsidy, however small. In turn, motorists above the age of 65 should be provided with special passes which would enable them to drive privately owned vehicles on the new highway without having to pay the road toll.

The completion of the $7.2 billion project will mean that persons will be able to travel by highway from Port-of-Spain to Point Fortin and vice versa using the existing Beetham Highway, Uriah Butler Highway, the Solomon Hochoy Highway and the under construction Golconda to Point Fortin road. It will ease traffic congestion, immeasurably, for persons travelling out of Point Fortin to San Fernando and points in between and will facilitate persons wishing to use the San Fernando — Port-of-Spain ferry service.

Meanwhile, Government in addition to building new or expanding existing highways should seek to limit Trinidad and Tobago’s rapidly growing vehicle population. A meaningful road communications policy should be drawn up which would effectively encourage car pooling. The number of vehicles on the nation’s roads has almost quadrupled since December, 1975, when it stood at 128,500.

The clearly excessive number of registered vehicles has been the main agent of traffic congestion.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: Babalawo on February 15, 2011, 11:58:03 PM
Call for justice at Sabga funeral
By Aabida Allaham aabida.allaham@trinidadexpress.com

Story Created: Feb 15, 2011 at 10:53 PM ECT

Story Updated: Feb 15, 2011 at 10:53 PM ECT

RELATIVES of textile merchant Ramon Sabga are calling on the government to ensure justice is served in the case.

They made the call yesterday at Sabga's funeral service at the Church of the Assumption in Maraval, where hundreds turned up to bid the "arrow" of the family goodbye. His relatives insisted that the law must be enforced in order to create a "disciplined society".

During the intercessory prayer, one of Sabga's nieces, Jacky Elias-Hadeed, broke down in tears as she prayed for the Government to do something about the lawlessness that has taken over Trinidad and Tobago.

In an interview with the Express afterwards, his nephew, Marc Sabga, said, "Uncle Ramon would want us to forgive because he was like that. That's the kind of person that he was, but this kind of thing must not happen again."

In delivering the eulogy, Sabga's brother and business partner, Richard Sabga, said, "Not only have we lost a brother and a friend, but Trinidad and Tobago has lost a good son of the soil. My brother, Ramon Sabga, was not only a hero to our family, but a hero to all who knew him."

Richard said everyone loved being in his brother's company. Others, including another nephew, John Paul Nahous, described him as a lover of music and fine food.

Fr Reginald Hezekiah, who delivered the homily, said Sabga was the kind of person who preferred to teach a man to fish rather than give him a fish.

Hezekiah, however, spoke at lengths about forgiveness and reminded those present that "forgiveness was a part of love" and was part of the legacy that Sabga left behind.

Sabga was later laid to rest at the Lapeyrouse Cemetery.


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Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: Dutty on February 16, 2011, 09:04:50 AM
what dat fellah who teef de car was seriously speeding...air bags AND air curtains deployed and de man still dead
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: Bakes on February 16, 2011, 09:13:04 AM
what dat fellah who teef de car was seriously speeding...air bags AND air curtains deployed and de man still dead

I don't think it takes a lot for the bags and curtains to deploy... had a collision right across from me about three weeks ago and same thing happen, Beamer and a Murano and the Nissan full curtains deployed... not a whole lot of structural damage.  But yeah, I agree that fella had to be speeding in order to pin the car against the wall.  That mean he push that car from the street up onto the sidewalk and against the wall.  Would be interesting to know if Sabga was wearing his seatbelt... which direction he was travelling, East to West or West to East.  Might help explain the injuries.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: Brownsugar on February 16, 2011, 09:24:01 AM
Bakes, here's the initial story......

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Arson_attack-116095649.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Arson_attack-116095649.html)

Textile businessman, 70, dies in accident
By Akile Simon

BUSINESSMAN Ramon Sabga, 70, was killed in a road accident just outside the Office of the Prime Minister in St Clair on Friday night.
Sabga, the owner of Naim Sabga Ltd, at Queen Street, Port of Spain, was pronounced dead on arrival at the Port of Spain General Hospital shortly after the incident. A post-mortem yesterday revealed he died from multiple internal injuries, and death was instantaneous following the impact.

Sabga, the father of Suzette, Nicole and Donna Marie Sabga and the grandfather of 12, was killed around 11.40 p.m. on Friday.
According to police, the suspect was driving a white Mitsubishi station wagon, PBW5814, north along Alexandra Street, when he failed to stop at the corner of Alexandra Street and St Clair Avenue. The vehicle slammed into Sabga's BMW, PBX560, which pinned the car onto a wall at the side of the roadway.

Police said the suspect and another male passenger emerged from the wagon and fled the scene on foot. The suspect later turned up at the Belmont Police Station to report the accident. He was detained by police and failed a breathalyser test, which registered at 43 microgrammes, above the 35 microgrammes legal alcohol limit while driving.   Relatives, family and friends yesterday gathered at the Sabgas' Prada Street, St Clair, home, still trying to come to terms with the tragic incident.

Sabga's niece, Nicole Sabga-Taleb, spoke with the Sunday Express outside the victim's home and said at the time of the incident, her uncle was on his way home. She said the Carnival season was no excuse for motorists to operate in a reckless manner.

"It's a surprise to us. We never saw it coming. Family was his everything. His wife, kids, grand-children is where his life started and ended," a relative said.

Relatives returned to the scene yesterday and placed flowers and a lighted candle in memory of Sabga. "Uncle Ramon, we love you and your light will always shine forever in our hearts. May you rest in peace," a sign posted by Sabga's relatives at the scene of the fatal crash stated.

In a statement sent to the Sunday Express, Sabga's family said: "Ramon Sabga, an astute businessman, spent the last 55 years working in the commercial city of Port of Spain in the textile trade."

The suspect faces charges of driving a vehicle without a valid certificate of insurance and driver's permit, using a vehicle without the owner's consent and being over the prescribed alcohol limit while driving.



Ah curious about something though.....what does this part in bold mean??  The car's owners didn't have insurance for the vehicle at all or that the insurance didn't cover the suspect because of his age???   :thinking: :thinking:
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: Bourbon on February 16, 2011, 09:34:49 AM
Dah fella go have it hard.


Anybody hear wha happen afterwards to de young gyal dat kill a police officer last year speeding on de shoulder?
She trial done yet?
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: Dutty on February 16, 2011, 09:37:15 AM
what dat fellah who teef de car was seriously speeding...air bags AND air curtains deployed and de man still dead

I don't think it takes a lot for the bags and curtains to deploy... had a collision right across from me about three weeks ago and same thing happen, Beamer and a Murano and the Nissan full curtains deployed... not a whole lot of structural damage.  But yeah, I agree that fella had to be speeding in order to pin the car against the wall.  That mean he push that car from the street up onto the sidewalk and against the wall.  Would be interesting to know if Sabga was wearing his seatbelt... which direction he was travelling, East to West or West to East.  Might help explain the injuries.

yeah its just a sensor that deploys them...what I meant was in most cases people tend to be hurt rather than die when 'cocooned' in front, side and head air bags.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: Bakes on February 16, 2011, 10:39:36 AM

yeah its just a sensor that deploys them...what I meant was in most cases people tend to be hurt rather than die when 'cocooned' in front, side and head air bags.


Dai's why I was wondering how the car was situated when it get hit.  I know the fella was travelling North... so if Sabga was heading east the driver side would have been hit.  From the photos it looks as though the left side (passenger side, assuming the BMW was right-hand drive) was struck though... and the right side cut away to extract him.  But with that much force... if it hit his side, and he wasn't wearing he seatbelt... then yeah, hard to survive that.


Brownsugar... thanks for the post, I read that when it was first posted (glad to see that the correct the name from "Niam Sabga and Sons" to "Naim...").  The insurance was probably expired, or all he had was the old certificate in the car... since it wasn't his and he didn't have permission to use it.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: NYtriniwhiteboy.. on February 16, 2011, 11:16:36 AM
bakes watch the pics of the BMW closely..it was hit on the driver's side and pinned against the wall at the corner..that is why yuh see the damage on the left side. The damage on the left is a sharp angle due to the corner wall
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: weary1969 on February 16, 2011, 12:18:39 PM
Dah fella go have it hard.


Anybody hear wha happen afterwards to de young gyal dat kill a police officer last year speeding on de shoulder?
She trial done yet?

U should ask if it start.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: Bakes on February 16, 2011, 12:44:33 PM
bakes watch the pics of the BMW closely..it was hit on the driver's side and pinned against the wall at the corner..that is why yuh see the damage on the left side. The damage on the left is a sharp angle due to the corner wall

Oh okay... I dunno de intersection so when ah see de indentation on de left side ah figure that was from de collision with the car.  If yuh say dai's from the wall then it actually confirms my initial suspicion that he was travelling east and get hit on his side.  With that much force... even ah seat belt mightn' save yuh nah  :-[


Drunk driving and speeding... bad enough by theyself, deadly in combination.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: Bourbon on February 16, 2011, 12:45:54 PM
Dah fella go have it hard.


Anybody hear wha happen afterwards to de young gyal dat kill a police officer last year speeding on de shoulder?
She trial done yet?

U should ask if it start.

Well....lets see which one would be done first. Given that she "affluent"
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: weary1969 on February 16, 2011, 12:55:47 PM
Dah fella go have it hard.


Anybody hear wha happen afterwards to de young gyal dat kill a police officer last year speeding on de shoulder?
She trial done yet?

U should ask if it start.

Well....lets see which one would be done first. Given that she "affluent"

We will c. Time will tell.
Title: Re: Carnage on T&T Roads
Post by: STEUPS!! on February 16, 2011, 06:35:12 PM
Dah fella go have it hard.


Anybody hear wha happen afterwards to de young gyal dat kill a police officer last year speeding on de shoulder?
She trial done yet?

U should ask if it start.

Well....lets see which one would be done first. Given that she "affluent"

bourbs, dem files musse done loss ahready. dat not goin an spend a day in jail.
Title: Two killed, 3 critical in Couva car crash
Post by: zuluwarrior on July 18, 2011, 06:23:57 PM
http://www2.guardian.co.tt/news/2011/07/18/two-killed-3-critical-couva-car-crash

Two killed, 3 critical in Couva car crash

Funny how things happen , i grew up in that building on Isaac Junction  Couva , next door our neighbour was the Beddoe family.

 Francois is my family , I believe that those kids do not know each other, but both their parents grew up together, our family move away from the junction but the Beddoes still live there on Isaac Junction .

 After all these years our kids met by accident, how sad .

Published: Mon, 2011-07-18 00:28
Derek Achong
 
At right is the mangled wreckage of the Tercel driven by 23-yearold D’Abadie resident Illyich Beddoe as it came to rest on the Old Southern Main Road, McBean, Couva, after yesterday morning’s fatal accident. At left is the Corolla driven by Carlon Francois. PHOTO: SHASTRI BOODAN A D’Abadie family is in mourning, after an early morning accident yesterday in Couva claimed the lives of two cousins and has left three passengers in critical condition at hospital. At around 2.30 am, Illyich Beddoe, 23, of Tamarix Drive, La Florissante, D’Abadie, was killed when he lost control of his red Toyota Tercel and crashed into a Toyota Corolla on the Old Southern Main Road in the vicinity of Calcutta No 1, McBean, Couva. Beddoe’s cousin Diego Beddoe, of Couva, who was seated in the front passenger seat, was also killed on impact.

Another cousin Antonio Beddoe and a childhood friend Sean Samaroo, 23, were seriously injured and were taken to San Fernando General Hospital where they remain warded in critical condition. The group was returning home from a lime in South Trinidad at the time of the accident. Police and fire officers who responded took almost an hour to free the men from the mangled car which had overturned several times after the collision. The driver of the Corolla, Karlon Francois, of Bonne Aventure, Gasparillo, whose both legs were broken in the crash, also remains warded. Francois also suffered facial and internal injuries.

Illyich’s relatives declined to speak with the media when the Guardian visited the family’s home and asked for privacy to grieve the loss of their loved ones. Acting Sgt Balkaran of the Couva Police Station is continuing investigations.

.News
Title: Re: Two killed, 3 critical in Couva car crash
Post by: weary1969 on July 18, 2011, 07:23:28 PM
A gfriend of mines is d godmother of the child whose car was run into.
Title: Re: Two killed, 3 critical in Couva car crash
Post by: zuluwarrior on July 18, 2011, 07:42:34 PM
Yes Ron and the boy mother been friends for a long time, they go way back .
Title: Re: Two killed, 3 critical in Couva car crash
Post by: Deeks on July 18, 2011, 09:55:17 PM
If allyuh see the sight of them cars. Mama yo!!!
Title: Re: Two killed, 3 critical in Couva car crash
Post by: soccerman on July 18, 2011, 11:40:31 PM
If allyuh see the sight of them cars. Mama yo!!!
That make me cringe
Title: Re: Two killed, 3 critical in Couva car crash
Post by: Bakes on July 19, 2011, 07:31:05 AM
Government half responsible for the carnage on the roads in TnT... how in the world, in this day and age are cars still crossing the median on a highway?


steups
Title: Re: Two killed, 3 critical in Couva car crash
Post by: Bitter on July 19, 2011, 07:37:32 AM
Government half responsible for the carnage on the roads in TnT... how in the world, in this day and age are cars still crossing the median on a highway?


steups

The Old Southern Main Road is a highway?

Regardless. The speeds people are driving at are not appropriate for the road conditions. Period.
You could drive on plenty country roads (dual carriageway with a grass ditch median) in America at highway speeds with not a jersey barrier in sight. And just like in T&T if you drive like an idiot, you could cross the "highway" and kill someone.

All the signs and barriers and safety measures didn't stop a woman from getting onto the taconic state parkway the wrong way a couple years back and killing 8 people
Title: Re: Two killed, 3 critical in Couva car crash
Post by: kicker on July 19, 2011, 09:44:36 AM

The Old Southern Main Road is a highway?

Regardless. The speeds people are driving at are not appropriate for the road conditions. Period.
You could drive on plenty country roads (dual carriageway with a grass ditch median) in America at highway speeds with not a jersey barrier in sight. And just like in T&T if you drive like an idiot, you could cross the "highway" and kill someone.

All the signs and barriers and safety measures didn't stop a woman from getting onto the taconic state parkway the wrong way a couple years back and killing 8 people

That's why he said half responsible.
Title: Re: Two killed, 3 critical in Couva car crash
Post by: Bakes on July 19, 2011, 10:15:03 AM

The Old Southern Main Road is a highway?

Regardless. The speeds people are driving at are not appropriate for the road conditions. Period.
You could drive on plenty country roads (dual carriageway with a grass ditch median) in America at highway speeds with not a jersey barrier in sight. And just like in T&T if you drive like an idiot, you could cross the "highway" and kill someone.

All the signs and barriers and safety measures didn't stop a woman from getting onto the taconic state parkway the wrong way a couple years back and killing 8 people

As kicker points out, I deliberately left room for individual responsibility as well.  If I really wanted I could find fault with every example that you provide... grassy medians are usually wide enough and designed to limit crossovers... we barely have that in certain places in TnT.  The Taconic parkway accident involved a drunk woman in a confused state entering an off ramp and driving in the wrong direction for miles... before the crash. Much different from a crossover situation where a driver loses control and ends up in opposite traffic.

Right there in DC... years ago, a girl went and pick up a brand new Explorer from the Ford dealership in Marlboro Heights off Exit 4.  She boyfriend drive she there and two of them was returning home, he in he car, she in she brand new truck.  She never even make it home b/c she was talking on the cell and run off the road.. start to cross the median into the inner loop headed to VA but it had a barrier there.  In an ideal situation the barrier would have saved her... but unfortunately the design was flawed.  At the end it was "tied-down" into the ground with cables... which unfortunately served as a ramp... with the speed she was going it propelled her into the air and onto a minivan headed south to Florida... killing an entire family of Canadians headed on vacation.  She ended up dying too.

My point is two-fold... the best you can do is try to limit accidents, you can't 100% protect drivers against themselves.  Second, the state of MD immediately recognized the fault with the barrier design and replaced every single one thru out the state within months of the accident.  Yes money is an issue... but even with money, we in TnT should be so progressive and efficient.
Title: Re: Two killed, 3 critical in Couva car crash
Post by: dinho on July 19, 2011, 01:04:31 PM
No amount of barriers helping to stem the wild, reckless driving. Since it is apparent that people cannot take responsibility for themselves on the roadways a better approach would be to come up with a solution to better patrol the highways, and establish a more visible presence so that people will think twice.

As for the government responsibility and the cables.. Imagine after how much years in government, it take till April 2010 for Imbert to start a move on this:

http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=49098.0 (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=49098.0)

Look allyuh favorite former Minister of Transport made it a priority of his ministry to construct cable dividers on the Solomon Hochoy, because in his own words the amount of people dying from crossing the median over the years has been obscene.

http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=52335.0 (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=52335.0)

Last time I drove down south late last year they were in the process of installing them, don't know where that reach with that now. Can anyone say?

Agreed that this could have been dealt with a long time ago. The past administration really drag their foot with this. I remember the Freeport intersection where a huge number of fatal accidents always take place, a simple thing like putting up a massive "Sharp Bend - Slow Down" sign take years to happen.
Title: Re: Two killed, 3 critical in Couva car crash
Post by: Brownsugar on July 19, 2011, 07:14:57 PM
No amount of barriers helping to stem the wild, reckless driving. Since it is apparent that people cannot take responsibility for themselves on the roadways a better approach would be to come up with a solution to better patrol the highways, and establish a more visible presence so that people will think twice.

As for the government responsibility and the cables.. Imagine after how much years in government, it take till April 2010 for Imbert to start a move on this:

http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=49098.0 (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=49098.0)

Look allyuh favorite former Minister of Transport made it a priority of his ministry to construct cable dividers on the Solomon Hochoy, because in his own words the amount of people dying from crossing the median over the years has been obscene.

http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=52335.0 (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=52335.0)

Last time I drove down south late last year they were in the process of installing them, don't know where that reach with that now. Can anyone say?

Agreed that this could have been dealt with a long time ago. The past administration really drag their foot with this. I remember the Freeport intersection where a huge number of fatal accidents always take place, a simple thing like putting up a massive "Sharp Bend - Slow Down" sign take years to happen.


I think I heard they finished installing them along the deadly stretch down Gasparillo side.  It prevented a car (or a few cars) from crossing the median and killing people on the next side about 2 weekends ago.

As for taking too long to implement stuff, that's been my major angst/disappointment with the PNM.   And why people was so blasted vex with Patrick/PNM.  For example, NAPA build in no time but a simple tension barrier cyar get installed.....steups!!


.........and last but not least Dinho, he still eh mih favourite Transport minister......best wuking mih eye... :devil: ;D

(p.s like he wasn't Kamla own either..... :devil:)
Title: Re: Two killed, 3 critical in Couva car crash
Post by: warmonga on July 20, 2011, 10:51:14 PM
sad thingdat.. I grew Up in couva .. I use to goal keep /striker  for the under 15 team down in the ghetto (swimming pool/pan yard/orphanage  area) call grass roots.. dais mi stomping grounds.. dem road dey aint no highway.. dais normal road ..
war

Title: Re: Two killed, 3 critical in Couva car crash
Post by: just cool on July 21, 2011, 12:35:05 PM
No amount of barriers helping to stem the wild, reckless driving. Since it is apparent that people cannot take responsibility for themselves on the roadways a better approach would be to come up with a solution to better patrol the highways, and establish a more visible presence so that people will think twice.

As for the government responsibility and the cables.. Imagine after how much years in government, it take till April 2010 for Imbert to start a move on this:

http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=49098.0 (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=49098.0)

Look allyuh favorite former Minister of Transport made it a priority of his ministry to construct cable dividers on the Solomon Hochoy, because in his own words the amount of people dying from crossing the median over the years has been obscene.

http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=52335.0 (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=52335.0)

Last time I drove down south late last year they were in the process of installing them, don't know where that reach with that now. Can anyone say?

Agreed that this could have been dealt with a long time ago. The past administration really drag their foot with this. I remember the Freeport intersection where a huge number of fatal accidents always take place, a simple thing like putting up a massive "Sharp Bend - Slow Down" sign take years to happen.
Was in trinidad twice already this yr and i must say that between the rush hour traffic and fellas speedin down the place, it's enough to make me not want to drive in trinidad ever again.

every evening i used tuh risk meh life  (being overly dramatic  :devil:) going for doubles in curepe (by source, ah think that's the double stand name) and having to be in the middle of the madness on the churchill rosevelt HGWY time and time again, and they never disappoint.

is only ah setta brand new cars passin yuh @ nothing less than 100 (not KMPH but MPH! :o ) hear nah, is rel fackin mad reckless ppl on them roadways sar!!!

imagine this ting, i goin down carenage main road to drop off ah friend of meh mother, just before the shopping center where the hilo is, two young fellas comin down doin about 125 MPH, hear nah! my rental shake like like ah tree in the wind! one wrong move and is sure death for some poor unsuspecting schmuck!

it took me ah few days tuh get over that experience. weeks later when i remember that i does get the shakes BC them two lil pricks put my life in jeopardy. i could basically handle the bad boy criminal element, but yuh see dat kinda recklessness, count me out.

as for the concrete dividers, i notice they were being installed up along the churchill HGWY all the way up to st augustine, for all yuh know they probably move further up by now.

T&T need plenty highway patrol day and night, they also need them on that deigo martin main road and carenage main road as well. if they doh do that (which is nothing to put in place) them like super cat said in song "many more will have to suffer and many more will have to die"

BTW brown, jack look like he wukin man.
Title: Re: Two killed, 3 critical in Couva car crash
Post by: Deeks on July 21, 2011, 04:05:58 PM
If I was the Min. of transport. I would put signs up. "Go Ahead SPEED. The Mortuary is open all DAY,all NIGHT". And I am not being funny.
Title: Re: Two killed, 3 critical in Couva car crash
Post by: D.H.W on July 21, 2011, 05:49:46 PM
Government half responsible for the carnage on the roads in TnT... how in the world, in this day and age are cars still crossing the median on a highway?


steups

Correct! , almost all the accidents is people crossing the median , they keep saying they going to fix it , but nothing has happened
Title: Re: Two killed, 3 critical in Couva car crash
Post by: zuluwarrior on July 21, 2011, 06:04:42 PM
War, you would know the parents of those kids, the Beddoe and the Rawlins family.

The Beddoe brothers played with We Block  , i think is two brothers children .

I also run ball with Grassroots senior team  but i run with men like Moze ,Harry and sappat i dont know if you was around that time .  
Title: Re: Two killed, 3 critical in Couva car crash
Post by: fishs on July 22, 2011, 05:00:54 AM
War, you would know the parents of those kids, the Beddoe and the Rawlins family.

The Beddoe brothers played with We Block  , i think is two brothers children .

I also run ball with Grassroots senior team  but i run with men like Moze ,Harry and sappat i dont know if you was around that time .  


Is it the Rawlins, Kenneth and Keith and them?
Title: New PoS traffic rules in effect from April 2
Post by: Touches on March 22, 2012, 06:55:11 AM
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2012-03-22/new-pos-traffic-rules-effect-april-2


New PoS traffic rules in effect from April 2

Published: Thursday, March 22, 2012
Kalifa Clyne


While Port-of-Spain Mayor Louis Lee Sing has voiced his support for new traffic-control measures for the city, Downtown Owners and Merchants Association (Doma) president Gregory Aboud describes the move as a “critical moment” for Port-of-Spain. A release from the Ministry of Works and Infrastructure yesterday advised that on April 2, new measures would be introduced to alleviate traffic congestion in Port-of-Spain.

 

The biggest change is that Ariapita Avenue will be one-way, going west, and Tragarete Road will only allow eastbound traffic. The new measures are being introduced on a trial basis for three months in the first instance. The release said the move is intended to mitigate against parking infractions that contribute to traffic in the city.

 

It said parking would be provided for drivers, as all existing parking restrictions would be strictly enforced. The fine for drivers who break the new rules will be $750 for the first offence and $1,000 for each subsequent offence. In a telephone interview, Aboud said: “The relationship between parking, vehicular access and the survival of downtown Port-of-Spain is inextricably linked.”

 

He said the city would not survive if it appeared unfriendly to potential clients or if “hostile” restrictions were imposed on the people whose patronage was crucial to the future viability of the capital. Aboud said Doma was trying to work very closely with Works and Infrastructure Minister Jack Warner and his team on the proposed restrictions.

 

He said customers would assume the Government was saying that they were not welcome, if parking restrictions were imposed without options being available. He added that consideration must be given to allowing on-street parking if there are no alternatives. “Port-of-Spain’s only drawing card is that goods are cheaper than outside the city,” Aboud said.

 

“But if one has to add a $500 wrecking fee to downtown shopping bills, then we become totally unattractive.” Aboud said the city was in a precarious position, as many businesses had already left, and the implementation of the proposals would be a critical moment in determining the future of the city.

 

Also in an telephone interview yesterday, Lee Sing said his corporation had worked very closely with the Works Ministry on the traffic measures and he supported them. Lee Sing explained that the measures were basically supporting the current parking rules. “We already have rules when it comes to parking, but they are ignored and they are not enforced,” he said.

 

“What these measures ensure is that if the law says you can’t park, then you can’t park.” Lee Sing admitted parking arrangements in the city had not been finalised, but added: “We cannot be ‘business as usual’ as it relates to traffic management in the city.” “It is essential that we try and fail rather than fail to try,” he said.

 

The new measures are in addition to the Traffic Control (Experimental Scheme) for Port-of-Spain regulations, which should have gone into effect from March 11, and are expected to end on June 11. The document, signed by Transport Minister Devant Maharaj, outlines changes in routes such as Ariapita Avenue being made one-way from Belle-Smythe Street in the west, and Tragarete Road being made one-way from Damian Street to Colville Street.

 

Both Ariapita Avenue and Tragarete Road are areas known for terrible traffic during peak hours and are both home to businesses, with Ariapita Avenue being widely known as a bustling entertainment hub and centre of night-time activity. Maharaj said although he signed the document, responsibility for the changes lay with Works Minister Jack Warner. Warner could not be reached for comment.


Westbound only:
Ariapita ave from colville st to belle-smythe st. Brabant St from Pole Carew St.-Damian St. Park St, between Scott-Bushe and Stone Street.

Eastbound only:
Tragarete Road, from Damian Street to Colville St. Baden-Powell St. from Murray St. to French St. Hunter St, from Damian Street to White Street.

Northbound only:
De Verteil St from Airiapita Ave to Warren St. Fitt St, from Robert St to Ariapita Ave. Cornelio St, from Ariapita Ave to Tragarete Rd. French St from Tragarete Road to Ariapita Ave. Kavanagh Street, between Tragarete Road and St. Clair Ave. Stone Street, between Flament St and Park St.

North-eastbound only:
Damian Street, from Warren Street to Tragarete Road.

Southbound only:
Petra St, from Warren St to Ariapita Ave. Carlos St, from Tragarete Road to Roberts ST. Murray St, from Tragarete Road to Ariapita Ave. Fitt Street, from Baden-Powell Street to Ariapita Ave. Pole Carew St. from Tragarete Rd to Warren St. Colville St, between Ariapita Ave and Tragarete Rd.

Title: Re: New PoS traffic rules in effect from April 2
Post by: Tallman on March 23, 2012, 07:24:45 AM
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Title: Re: New PoS traffic rules in effect from April 2
Post by: Bakes on March 23, 2012, 08:43:26 AM
Why it look like somebody print up ah Google map and break out dey red pen?  LOL, Trinidad good yes  :rotfl:
Title: Re: New PoS traffic rules in effect from April 2
Post by: MEP on March 23, 2012, 08:57:17 AM
That doesn't make a whole lot of sense for kids who attend Newtown Boys and Girls, QRC and
Woodbrook Sec. and especially those who rely on public transportation.
Title: Re: New PoS traffic rules in effect from April 2
Post by: Michael-j on March 23, 2012, 09:04:00 AM
Why it look like somebody print up ah Google map and break out dey red pen?  LOL, Trinidad good yes  :rotfl:

That's exactly what it is  :rotfl: :rotfl: Check the the first 2 posts on this forum's page:  :rotfl:

http://www.trinituner.com/v3/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=428360&start=60 (http://www.trinituner.com/v3/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=428360&start=60)
Title: Re: New PoS traffic rules in effect from April 2
Post by: Dutty on March 23, 2012, 11:52:42 AM
That doesn't make a whole lot of sense for kids who attend Newtown Boys and Girls, QRC and
Woodbrook Sec. and especially those who rely on public transportation.

true,,is real twist and turn them parents will have to do

It will be real strange driving on Ariapita all one way
Title: Re: New PoS traffic rules in effect from April 2
Post by: Bakes on March 23, 2012, 01:08:20 PM
Why it look like somebody print up ah Google map and break out dey red pen?  LOL, Trinidad good yes  :rotfl:

That's exactly what it is  :rotfl: :rotfl: Check the the first 2 posts on this forum's page:  :rotfl:

http://www.trinituner.com/v3/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=428360&start=60 (http://www.trinituner.com/v3/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=428360&start=60)

Imagine pardna giving directions on he map...

"up here, yuh have tuh turn SO.... when yuh reach here, yuh cyah go so.. yuh have to go SO... den yuh turn so... den so... buss ah right here, den ah left and bam!... yuh right dey" lol
Title: Re: New PoS traffic rules in effect from April 2
Post by: Brownsugar on March 24, 2012, 02:13:16 PM
I took one look at that map earlier today and I get ah headache.......I goh have to print that out and drive around with it.

But what about the parking restrictions they are talking about??  New restrictions or just an enforcing of the restrictions already in place??

Interesting times are ahead.....
Title: Re: New PoS traffic rules in effect from April 2
Post by: just cool on March 25, 2012, 03:03:28 AM
Eh allyuh locals like this lee sing fella? IMO he seems like an antagonistic arrogant fella, but i could be wrong. is he an imps with an axe to grind , or is he good for the city ?
Title: Re: New PoS traffic rules in effect from April 2
Post by: weary1969 on March 25, 2012, 05:48:48 PM
I done like 2 drive. Plus drivin in town is another stress but ah cyah keep up.
Title: Re: New PoS traffic rules in effect from April 2
Post by: Brownsugar on March 26, 2012, 05:14:12 AM
Eh allyuh locals like this lee sing fella? IMO he seems like an antagonistic arrogant fella, but i could be wrong. is he an imps with an axe to grind , or is he good for the city ?

Just cool, Louis Lee Sing is a man with a vision.  However, in trying to execute that vision he tends to come across a bit like a bull in a china shop. On the other hand, we just too damn lawless here and ANY attempt at reigning in the foolishness would be met with resistance.  My take on him is that he is trying and is one of the few men around here willing to take the bull by the horn and wrestle with it.

Take for example, a woman decide to set up a doubles stand on Richmond St. just above the junction with Park St.   Of course, ppl stopping to buy and blocking up the extreme left lane so that drivers who want to turn left onto Park St. have to swerve around them to get into the left lane.  And that junction was already a bachanal junction before miss doubles decide to set  up her stand.   Dais de kinda thing Lee Sing have to deal with.......
Title: Re: New PoS traffic rules in effect from April 2
Post by: Mango Chow! on March 26, 2012, 08:59:41 AM
That doesn't make a whole lot of sense for kids who attend Newtown Boys and Girls, QRC and
Woodbrook Sec. and especially those who rely on public transportation.

Yuh eh lie dey.....at first ah didn't think it was so bad (it still eh so bad fuh d woodbrook Sec. people) but the one-ways goin' south messin' up tings between Fitt and Carlos Streets......unless d man wit d red pen was sleepin' at the wheel.
Title: Re: New PoS traffic rules in effect from April 2
Post by: Touches on March 29, 2012, 11:44:51 AM
SO I was talking to a St. James taxi driver...the man totally disturbed and he made a few valid points.

School Children i.e  Newtown, St Ceclias, Tranquil, will feel it...having to walk from The Ave across the way.

Also now to get to newtown or environs he said people would quicker take a st anns or a savannah car and do an off route instead of having to go up ariapita ave (remember these taxi stands are opposite each other by woodford sq)......he making real sense dey.

Then he said Roberts st is already a spillover traffic st...this will now be under more pressure as traffic permitted both ways, but this is necessary.

His suggestion is to permit parking only on one side.....supposed to be so in theory but not in practice. Or have Zero parking on the main road and use the streets around and behind the main road for parking.
Problem there is that residents go kick brass.

He also said if they are to make it one way...let tragarete rd be the west bound land and not the blvd.

Also he said the taxi drivers were not consulted, whileI know you cant please everybody a meeting with all stakeholders should have been held to get all their views so as to work out an amicable solution.


Title: Re: New PoS traffic rules in effect from April 2
Post by: Brownsugar on March 30, 2012, 05:23:33 AM
I am willing to give it a chance and see if its working or not.  At least Lee Sing trying.....we stuck in traffic we complain, ah man trying something to alleviate the problem, we still complaining.....dais why we cyar progress......steups!!
Title: Re: New PoS traffic rules in effect from April 2
Post by: Bourbon on April 02, 2012, 07:25:25 AM
I am willing to give it a chance and see if its working or not.  At least Lee Sing trying.....we stuck in traffic we complain, ah man trying something to alleviate the problem, we still complaining.....dais why we cyar progress......steups!!

Yeah I give him that..he trying. But consultation shoulda be held. And trinis too blasted lawless....yuh go allow parking on one side and it go STILL have problems cause of how everybody feel it eh against the law if it eh have a police dey.

Given the volume of traffic, it would have concerns...you cant please everyone. But....the best thing to do is interact with stakeholders to get a workable solution that would have everyone able to benefit somehow.
Title: Re: New PoS traffic rules in effect from April 2
Post by: Brownsugar on April 02, 2012, 05:48:14 PM
I am willing to give it a chance and see if its working or not.  At least Lee Sing trying.....we stuck in traffic we complain, ah man trying something to alleviate the problem, we still complaining.....dais why we cyar progress......steups!!

Yeah I give him that..he trying. But consultation shoulda be held. And trinis too blasted lawless....yuh go allow parking on one side and it go STILL have problems cause of how everybody feel it eh against the law if it eh have a police dey.

Given the volume of traffic, it would have concerns...you cant please everyone. But....the best thing to do is interact with stakeholders to get a workable solution that would have everyone able to benefit somehow.

Hence my bull in a china shop reference.....and I heard the plans were put on hold and didn't go into effect today as planned. Didn't read the article but I heard dem fellas on Red talking about it this morning.....
Title: Re: New PoS traffic rules in effect from April 2
Post by: Brownsugar on July 15, 2012, 07:00:27 AM
Forumites, especially local based.  All yuh know this back on schedule for tomorrow right?? 

I eh know if its just me but I find the authorities aren't doing enough to sensitise the public on the changes.  The information I got was from work.  I can't remember seeing anything on the papers or TV in the last few weeks highlighting the changes.   

Found this on the Min. of Works website

http://www.mowt.gov.tt/general/notice.aspx?noticeID=76 (http://www.mowt.gov.tt/general/notice.aspx?noticeID=76)


http://www.mowt.gov.tt/documents/trafficplan_stjameswoodbrook.pdf (http://www.mowt.gov.tt/documents/trafficplan_stjameswoodbrook.pdf)



And two You Tube videos

http://www.youtube.com/v/Z0nZbvhS41g&feature=plcp


http://www.youtube.com/v/yv0AKn0MZAU&feature=plcp
Title: Re: New PoS traffic rules in effect from April 2
Post by: Football supporter on July 15, 2012, 07:16:44 AM
There have been daily announcements on TV and radio this week. But I find that there is too much to take in. Tragarete and Ariapita are ok, it's when they start going on about every single connecting road that confuses me. Some are one way west and then change to one way east etc. Still, I think it's good that you can't park along Ariapita at certain times of the day.

Had to laugh at some protesters and taxi drivers complaining about people having to walk. With all due respect, I find Trinis want to be dropped right outside their destination. As opposed to many towns and cities in the world where public transport systems exist and you may have to walk half a mile from the bus stop or tube station. I know its hot here, and it gets very wet, but other nations cope with extreme climates.

I always laugh (or cuss, if I'm driving) when I see a maxi stop right on a corner of a busy junction to let someone off, and then stop on the other side of the junction to let someone on. Could never understand why bus stops are not created??
Title: Re: New PoS traffic rules in effect from April 2
Post by: weary1969 on July 15, 2012, 06:31:55 PM
There have been daily announcements on TV and radio this week. But I find that there is too much to take in. Tragarete and Ariapita are ok, it's when they start going on about every single connecting road that confuses me. Some are one way west and then change to one way east etc. Still, I think it's good that you can't park along Ariapita at certain times of the day.

Had to laugh at some protesters and taxi drivers complaining about people having to walk. With all due respect, I find Trinis want to be dropped right outside their destination. As opposed to many towns and cities in the world where public transport systems exist and you may have to walk half a mile from the bus stop or tube station. I know its hot here, and it gets very wet, but other nations cope with extreme climates.

I always laugh (or cuss, if I'm driving) when I see a maxi stop right on a corner of a busy junction to let someone off, and then stop on the other side of the junction to let someone on. Could never understand why bus stops are not created??

Walkin is when we visit d family in Brooklyn when we go buy at Bobby's. When we in TNT we nd 2 b dropped in front of we gap.
Title: Re: New PoS traffic rules in effect from April 2
Post by: Peong on July 16, 2012, 06:51:14 PM
So how the Trini-based make out today?  Any problems?
Title: Re: New PoS traffic rules in effect from April 2
Post by: Football supporter on July 16, 2012, 07:52:15 PM
Heard there were some teething problems as expected, but the report on the news showed traffic moving real nice along Ariapita.
Title: Re: New PoS traffic rules in effect from April 2
Post by: Observer on July 17, 2012, 06:51:05 AM
I call home and ask a friend how things with the new traffic flow. he say ' things sweet man, no traffic at all."
then he throw in "then again I walking eh." hhahhahaha
Title: Re: New PoS traffic rules in effect from April 2
Post by: weary1969 on July 17, 2012, 02:24:26 PM
From reports d peeps wit car have it nice d peeps that have 2 walk pressure.
Title: Re: New PoS traffic rules in effect from April 2
Post by: Brownsugar on July 17, 2012, 06:56:15 PM
So ah take ah drive down Ariapita Ave tonight to drop a friend in town after a game in King George V.   As I came around the roundabout by Roxy, I noticed a long line of cars on Trag Rd.  waiting to filter into the roundabout to go either Damian Street or continue into St. James.   That back up appears to be caused by the fact that one lane is blocked so its only one lane from Trag Rd. to Damian St. or St. James.....

When ah finally reach de Ave.  it was free sailing into POS.  But that was 7 pm.  I have to traverse the Woodbrook area tomorrow during the day.  Curious to see how it working during the day.  And the effects when school opens in September.
Title: Re: New PoS traffic rules in effect from April 2
Post by: Touches on July 18, 2012, 09:04:03 AM
This traffic plan is real shit...

The backlog from the oval and roxy running along st clair avenue and backing up the savannah.

Plus the long circular road traffic forcing people to come through fed park and it clogging up saddle road.

Monday it take me close to an hr to reach from Maraval to Movietowne this is around 6pm.

Yesterday it take me close to an hr to reach from POS to maraval, with the backlog from the savannah right up to the Maraval roundabout by  KFC.

Week before...I was home in 10 minutes...the stretch by kapok and ellerslie smooth and round the savannah not a car. When school start back it go be real pressure. Overs dat traffic plan...is  :bs:
Title: Re: New PoS traffic rules in effect from April 2
Post by: Brownsugar on July 18, 2012, 05:11:39 PM
I made the drive from Keate Street to Carlo St. in Woodbrook today and for the most part it was a breeze.  This was around 9 am.  I saw the traffic back up on Trag rd.  They had two police officers there to control things I guess.  There is talk of removing the roundabout and putting in traffic lights at the Roxy junction.

The next bottle neck I encountered was on Damian street onto Warren St.  Its real pressure to get onto Warren St.  and worse if you are trying to cross Warren to get down to Ariapita Ave.  Once on the Ave. oooooohhhh guuuuddd  is like driving on a four lane highway.....and de jack ass drivers and dem just driving anyhow, any way on it.

Then when I was leaving Woodbrook, I went up Colville Street which is all North now, and cross Tragarete Rd. onto Cipriani Blvd.  There was a back up on Colville Street.  But not as bad as it used to be.

The drive around the Savannah this evening was much better than yesterday. 

I think it could work if the kinks are worked out.  But the real test will still be when school reopens.  Until then I'm cautiously optimistic....
Title: Re: New PoS traffic rules in effect from April 2
Post by: Touches on July 25, 2012, 06:01:17 AM
Trinidad Express (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/It_s_early_days_yet-163644716.html)

It's early days yet
Lee Sing insists on 3-month trial:

By Anna Ramdass anna.ramdass@trinidadexpress.com

Port of Spain Mayor Louis Lee Sing said yesterday the new traffic plan must be allowed to continue into its three-month trial period, after which, it would be revisited.

Speaking to the Express by phone and questioned on the call by business owners and residents for the traffic plan to be scrapped, Lee Sing said it was still "early days" into the plan but added it was being reviewed daily.

"The plan was never intended to be a St James or Woodbrook plan; it is a national plan intended to bring relief to traffic coming into the city, and on the basis of that, we are now moving people faster in and out of the city," said Lee Sing.

Lee Sing said the plan was from the Ministry of Works, which he supported because he understood its "vision".

He said taxi-drivers must establish their own routes while the Public Transport Service Corporation (PTSC) must understand its role in catering for public passengers.

However, while Lee Sing said the three-month trial period must take its course, Port of Spain South MP Marlene McDonald said this could not happen.

"In three months, this plan is going to mash up my constituency; businesses cannot hold on for three months'' McDonald told the Express.

McDonald, who attended a public meeting in St James on Monday night where stakeholders called for the traffic plan to be scrapped, said she must stand with her constituents.

She said she spent the entire day on Saturday walking the district, and residents wanted the traffic plan to be reverted.

She added that the concerns of the business owners were legitimate as she noted their businesses suffered a blow during the State of Emergency last year, and they were now facing another blow with the new traffic plan.

"This new traffic plan to me is orchestrated to finish off the businesses in these areas," she said.
McDonald said she had spoken to Lee Sing and also Works Minister Emmanuel George who were both "very amenable" to making changes to the traffic plan.

McDonald will be holding a press conference today at 1 p.m. at her constituency office in St James to discuss the issue further.
Title: Re: New PoS traffic rules in effect from April 2
Post by: Touches on July 25, 2012, 06:05:51 AM
Trinidad Express (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/_We_re_not_taking_any_traffic_plan_-163644706.html)

'We're not taking any traffic plan'
Businesses firing workers; taxi-drivers, residents slam new routes

By Anna Ramdass anna.ramdass@trinidadexpress.com
 
The Port of Spain West traffic plan must be scrapped immediately.
Just one week into the implementation of the new traffic plan for west Port of Spain, there are numerous calls for its immediate removal, among them business owners, who say they are enduring heavy financial losses and have no choice but to send home workers.

Emotions ran high during a public meeting at the St James Amphitheatre on Monday night where persons from all walks of life, from taxi-drivers to business owners, complained that the traffic plan was negatively affecting their livelihoods.

Scores of people voiced their concerns, saying the free flow of traffic makes it easier for bandits to attack, pedestrians are suffering because they cannot access taxis and everyone, including young children and the elderly, is at risk from having to cross four lanes of traffic on major roadways.

The traffic plan, which was developed by the Ministry of Works and Infrastructure and supported by the Port of Spain City Corporation, went into effect on July 16.

Traffic on major roadways such as Ariapita Avenue, Western Main Road and Tragarete Road changed direction to accommodate the one-way traffic in the plan.

This, in effect, created a faster flow of traffic on these routes, but residents and business owners say these new "highways" are making their lives hell.

Grant Chin, owner of Jacqueline's bakery on Ariapita Avenue, said he was now forced to fire five employees because his business was suffering.
"These five ladies are very good workers, but for the survivability of Jacqueline's, I have to do it because I cannot last for three months. I am now selling bread on a freeway," he said.
He said he was losing six hours of business a day as there was no parking on the Avenue from 6 a.m. to 9 a.m. and 3 p.m. to 6 p.m.

In addition, he said permanent no parking signs which have now been installed affect business during other hours of the day.

Waldron Louison, owner of West Classy Food in St James, said it appeared there was a deliberate plan by the People's Partnership Government to destroy businesses.
"I am not happy with what I saw on my cash register yesterday...as a matter of fact, I am seriously considering sending home three young ladies tomorrow," said Louison.
"Hold on! Hold on!" shouted members of the audience.
Louison said another business colleague informed him that losses were so great in his own business that earnings slipped from $17,000 to $964 in one week.
This person, he said, was also faced with having to send home five employees.
"He (colleague) believes that the plan is to rid the St James and Ariapita Avenue of us and allow part of the cabal to buy out our business and buy out the real estate at dog cheap price," said Louison.

Melissa Dalloo, owner of Ali's Veggie Mart in St James, said not only was her business suffering, her life was also at risk as she disclosed that last Wednesday, she was robbed in broad daylight, at 11.30 a.m., by two bandits.

Dalloo said two men, armed with guns, exited a yellow-band maxi and entered her business and demanded that she hand over her gold bracelet and necklace.
She said if it weren't for one of her employees, she would have been dead.
"If my worker didn't stand up for me, they might have shot me and kill me. I have four little children; Lee Sing needs to change that highway into a two-way. Lee Sing make that a freeway for bandit to jump out and rob businesspeople; that is wrong," she said.

James Ceasar, owner of Hioasis in St James, said a political game was being played, and people must not be trampled on.
The owner of Asha's Variety Store in St James told the Express that she, too, now has to fire employees as the new traffic plan had crippled business.

Natasha Ferrera, another businesswoman, said she can no longer sell breakfast on mornings.
She said her income had also taken a blow, which affected her from giving charity to the Living Waters Community each month to help battered children.
She also said young women were now being put at risk because they were getting into taxis and were not sure as to what routes they were going to be taking.
"Yes, we need to change and make things better, but human beings must not suffer for progress," she said.

A number of residents of the affected areas complained of difficulty in getting taxis and the fact that they now have to walk from Tragarete Road to Ariapita Avenue to get taxis to head into Port of Spain.
Resident Lorraine Simon expressed concern as to what will happen to hundreds of schoolchildren who have to travel home when school re-opens.
Many expressed fear that some child may get knocked down by speeding cars when trying to cross the roads.

Ivy Forde, 88, made an appeal for the traffic plan to be abandoned, saying her life was at risk.
She said she was nearly blind, having had two eye surgeries, and had extreme difficulty crossing the roads with her grandchildren.
"I don't know who planning this, but to me, this is definitely a waste of time...everybody loves the old people, everybody love the children, but when it comes to that, who love we? Nobody loves us; politicians are not the Government, the people are the Government. They are there to seek our welfare but is the people suffering, and we are not going to stick for that in St James," said Forde.

Chairman of the Woodbrook Residents Committee Lynette Dolly said she wrote to Port of Spain Mayor Louis Lee Sing on behalf of the residents, complaining there were too many dangers in the new system and the plan must be revisited.

Several taxi-drivers said they, too, were facing the pinch.
Culbert Alexis said he puts $80 in gas a day in his vehicle and goes home with $90.
He said people did not know where to get taxis and women were scared to travel.
He recalled an incident where he had to look after a female passenger who was forced to walk from Tragarete Road to Ariapita Avenue and looked as though she wanted to faint as she was just told by the doctor that she was experiencing menopause symptoms.

Alexis said he now goes home early because the roads were unsafe and passengers were nowhere to be found as the plan did not make any accommodation for pedestrians.

Another taxi-driver said people were now at risk because they were walking in search of transport and were now prey for bandits and rapists.
Title: Re: New PoS traffic rules in effect from April 2
Post by: Brownsugar on July 29, 2012, 06:39:25 AM
I can't find the online version of this letter to the editor so here I am typing it out.  It was written by Colm Imbert former Min of Works.....

Thursday 26th July 2012
Two-way Tragarete Road is best

The new traffic plan for Woodbrook and St. James has converted Ariapita Avenue and Tragarete Road in Woodbrook and the Western Main Road in St. James into virtual highways.  While this has made it easier for persons who reside outside of the city to get in and out of Port of Spain, it has created great inconvenience and hardship for people who live and work in Woodbrook and St. James and for businesses in these areas.  A traffic plan must always serve two objectives, i.e. it must allow for a smoother flow of traffic but equally important it must also allow for easy access to various points and destinations within its area of influence.  The new plan has achieved the first objective but failed miserably at the second objective.

Because of the confusing and even irrational new system of no entry and one-way streets, motorists are now herded like cattle going east along along Ariapita Road or west along Tragarete Road and it is now very difficult to get on or off these two main roads to access various points in the system.  Traditional escape routes are blocked and the direction of traffic on many streets has been reversed, making it virtually impossible to easily arrive at one's destination within Woodbrook and St. James.  Because of the one-way west direction of Tragarete Road and one-north direction of Colville Street, together with a number of new one-way north streets blocking access to Ariapita Avenue, it is also now difficult to get out of Woodbrook to go east into Port of Spain.

The businessmen that I have spoken to in St. James tell me their sales have dropped by over 50 per cent, in some cases by over 75 per cent, because shoppers cannot easily get to their stores and are now avoiding the area.  I suspect the same holds true for some parts of Ariapiata Avenue.  For the elderly or the indigent in St. James or Woodbrook, crossing the road is now very dangerous because of the speed at which vehicles are travelling on the new highways and the absence of pedestrian crossings.  Further, persons using public transportation who are coming from the west going east now experience tremendous difficulty in accessing the St. James area since traffic has been rerouted as far north as Long Circular Mall.  The rerouting of traffic going east to the north of St. James has also created a serious conflict with the Maraval traffic in the mornings, since traffic into Maraval is now rerouted into St. James in the morning. 

Any traffic plan that alienates and seriously inconveniences the residents, workers and businesses in densely populated areas must be revisited and should not be left as is.   And someone who has personal knowledge of the Woodbrook and St. James area, the problem of traffic in Woodbrook and St. James in my view was really in the mornings.  It was difficult to drive into Port of Spain in the morning but in the afternoon there are several alternative routes to get out.

I am suggesting therefore that Tragarete Road and the Western Main Road be reverted to two-way streets while Ariapita Avenue be kept one-way.   In that way, it will be much easier to get in and out of Woodbrook and St. James, the morning traffic problem will be resolved and the businesses and residents of these areas will not suffer unduly.

However, if Ariapita Avenue is to be kept one-way, the authorities should install sufficient pedestrian crossings to allow people to cross this busy road.



Colm Imbert MP
via email
Title: Closure of business blamed on POS Traffic Plan
Post by: Tallman on August 12, 2012, 08:21:32 PM
Closure of business blamed on POS Traffic Plan
ctntworld.com

 
The manager of the Lagniappe Bakery and Café, Martin George, is blaming the closure of his business on the new Port of Spain traffic plan.
 
He told C news that the wrecking policy and new parking regulations have reduced the number of patrons to his business forcing his wife and himself to take the drastic measure of closing up shop.
 
Mr. George is calling on traffic authorities to use more common sense when planning traffic initiatives.
 
Opened in 2004, Lagniappe has become known as the premier bakery and café on the Avenue.
 
However, on Sunday management made the decision to open their doors for the last time after a strict wrecking policy began reducing the number of customers earlier this year.
 
Mr. George says the new parking hours of this trial traffic plan implemented in July drove the remaining clients away.
 
He explained this was because the no parking policy implemented between the hours 6 am and 9 am saw them lose breakfast customers and the no parking allowed between 3pm and 6pm deterred after work clients.
 
Mr. George advised that authorities should cater for daytime businesses by designating one lane for parking.
 
He says he feels sad that he has to close up shop but this isn't the complete end for Lagniappe as they are hoping to find an appropriate property on a road off the Avenue to start all over again.
Title: Re: New PoS traffic rules in effect from April 2
Post by: Touches on August 14, 2012, 07:39:33 PM
So hear d kix,

All the highway the avenue and tragarete turn into...they installing traffic lights on it too :rotfl:

Completely defeating the purpose of the free flow of traffic.

Yuh ent see is imps and duncees running this show.

Revert the plan back to how it was.

Title: West POS experimental traffic plan rescinded
Post by: Tallman on August 25, 2012, 02:52:27 PM
West POS experimental traffic plan rescinded
mowt.gov.tt


The Ministry of Works and Infrastructure wishes to advise the public that the West Port of Spain Experimental Traffic Scheme which was put into effect from Monday 16th July 2012 shall be rescinded with effect from Monday 3rd September 2012.

All measures and restrictions that constituted this Experimental Scheme shall no longer be in force from that date.  Consequently, the configuration of the affected areas shall return to what previously applied, i.e. before the implementation of the Scheme.

With the reinstatement of the former traffic arrangements in St. James, Woodbrook and Newtown, the public is also advised that there will be the enforcement of all applicable parking restrictions, utilising both the Enforcing Officers and vehicle-towing options.  Motorists should therefore observe and obey such restrictions and, in this way, allow for as free a flow of traffic as possible and avoid the penalties and inconveniences associated with breaches of the Law.

Although the West Port of Spain Experimental Traffic Scheme was, undoubtedly, very successful in reducing traffic congestion and travel times along the main routes leading to and from the Port-of-Spain central business district, as was its primary objective, it appears to the Ministry that some of the resulting negative side effects outweigh the benefits that were gained.  In that regard, the Ministry wishes to thank all stakeholders who facilitated the testing of the Experiment and, moreso, by their constructive and frank feedback, both remotely and via consultations, assisted in the consistent and faithful monitoring and assessment of it.

The Ministry of Works and Infrastructure will continue to review the traffic arrangements in West Port of Spain with a view to determining what future action needs to be taken to relieve congestion and enhance travel times, the Government’s aim being to improve the lives of the burgesses and other users of this highly populated and very popular area.
Title: Re: New PoS traffic rules in effect from April 2
Post by: Brownsugar on August 25, 2012, 05:15:59 PM
Well Touches goh be happy like pappy.

I wanted to see the impact when school opened before I made a final judgement.  For me it was working just fine which sounds a tad selfish but it did aid in getting me from point A to B a bit faster.  I just had to think about the drive a bit before taking off to point B......*sigh* say what.......

Lee Sing say nobody eh tell him nutten.  LOL!!!  Louis boy, yuh run up against Jack yuh eh expect dey goh shaft yuh every which way??....

So dey going and repaint all de roads and thing before Sept 3rd??  And uuuummmm.....

Although the West Port of Spain Experimental Traffic Scheme was, undoubtedly, very successful in reducing traffic congestion and travel times along the main routes leading to and from the Port-of-Spain central business district, as was its primary objective, it appears to the Ministry that some of the resulting negative side effects outweigh the benefits that were gained. 

..........which were what exactly??  ??? :-\
Title: $44.6M approved for traffic infrastructure
Post by: D.H.W on September 06, 2012, 07:51:29 PM
$44.6M approved for traffic infrastructure

Cabinet has approved the sum of $44.6 million for the upgrade of existing traffic infrastructure.
 
The Minister of Works and Infrastructure, Mr. Emmanuel George, announced that the Traffic Management Branch of the Ministry will be in charge of carrying out the upgrade.
 
He said the upgrade works will involve the installation of backup power in 50 signalised intersections, while zebra crossings will be installed at 80 sites. He also said New Jersey-type or concrete barriers will be installed on the Churchill Roosevelt Highway and the San Fernando Bypass, while cable barriers are to be erected on the Uriah Butler and Solomon Hochoy Highway.
 
The breakdown is as follows:
Back-up Power at 50 signalised intersections in T&T: $4M
Installation of zebra crossings: $1.6M
Installation of New Jersey type barrier systems along the Churchill Roosevelt Highway from Macoya to O'Meara, and San Fernando Bypass: $21M
Installation of cable barriers on Solomon Hochoy Highway & Uriah Butler Highway: $18M
 
The Works and Infrastructure Minister also announced that he's seeking the allocation of $45.5 million to pay contractors to clear waterways and drains that need cleaning to prevent any further flooding in West Trinidad.
 
This is in addition to the $49.4 million approved to cover costs from last month's devastating flood in North West Trinidad.
 
He said $45.5 million is still needed to cover supplemental work including the clearing of clogged drains and water courses. The Minister of Finance is to advise on funding for this additional sum.

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Title: Re: $44.6M approved for traffic infrastructure
Post by: fishs on September 08, 2012, 02:01:00 AM


 He need about 20billion to build 2 causeways.
 
1 from Chaguanas to town and 1 from town to chaguaramas.
Title: Highways and Roadways in T&T Thread.
Post by: Flex on April 15, 2015, 02:41:47 AM
We can complete $7.4bn highway.
By Radhica Sookraj (Guardian)


OAS assures Govt

Although its parent company filed for bankruptcy protection two weeks ago, Brazilian construction firm OAS Construtora has told the T&T Government it is in good financial condition and will be able to complete the $7.4 billion Solomon Hochoy Highway Extension by May 2016.

An OAS team, including country superintendent Rodrigo Ventura and several board directors, met with Works Minister Dr Suruj Rambachan and National Infrastructure Development Company (Nidco) chairman Dr Carson Charles on Monday to discuss concerns about the project.

Charles later told reporters that contrary to claims made by Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley, he had no information that OAS was withholding payments to local contractors.

“If this is happening, we have received no reports. I will have to find out whether this is so,” Charles said.

He said that dozens of local contractors and suppliers were also providing goods and services to OAS, the main contractor on the billion-dollar highway project. Charles said OAS directors from Brazil flew to T&T last week to discuss the project.

“Despite constraints in Brazil, that is not preventing the company from doing work here. We understand that OAS’s parent company filed for bankruptcy protection, which is a provision whereby the court gives them protection to pay off their debts in an orderly fashion by selling assets. The protection order gives them time to satisfy all their creditors,” Charles said.

“OAS chairman and members of the board have informed us of how they plan to complete the work. The plan seems feasible and we are satisfied.

“We continue to pay them for such works they have undertaken. We took a loan so we have the money. OAS operations in Trinidad are continuing because our payments are up to date.”

Charles said OAS would give weekly updates to Nidco and the ministry on the progress of the highway construction.

“If you go on the site you will see works are still going on. They are busy working on the segment from St Mary’s Junction to Grant Road,” Charles said.

He said once the road was inspected and passed it would be opened later this month.

Rambachan said he asked OAS officials to ensure that all local contractors were paid and they assured him the company was making timely payments. He said if any contractor was having problems with payments they should make a report to Nidco, the supervisory agency.

Local contractors, including Kalco Limited, said yesterday that they were being paid on time.

“We are not sure if suppliers and other contractors are being affected,” a Kalco official said.

Sources told the T&T Guardian there had been delays in the past with payment of fees to some contractors, including Ansad Services Limited. A source at Namalco Construction Services also said the company ended its relationship with OAS in 2012 because of problems with payment of fees.

Rowley warning

At a political meeting last week, Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley had warned that the highway project was in trouble because Brazilian company OAS Grupo, OAS Construtora’s parent company, was in the midst of bankruptcy proceedings due to the corruption scandal it was currently embroiled in.

“Right now I could tell you that the accounts office there is without any local input. Only Brazilians inside there operating with a satellite to a bankrupt company in Brazil and of course, the local contractors who have been working for them are now in great danger because they are not being paid and they are hoping that this will remain silent until after election.”

Earlier this month, Grupo OAS sought bankruptcy protection following a corruption scandal involving one of its biggest customers, state-owned energy company Petrobras. The company filed for court protection to renegotiate its debts with creditors and suppliers because its access to finance has been severely restricted since the end of last year.

OAS executives, along with officials from some of Brazil’s largest construction firms, have been charged with money laundering, corruption and criminal conspiracy in an alleged kickback and bribe scandal at Petrobras.

Title: Re: We can complete $7.4bn highway.
Post by: fishs on April 15, 2015, 07:23:02 PM
 This is a stupid move. Most contracts will allow the client to terminate the contract when the contractor files for bankruptcy.

The quality of the product will start to deteriorate as the contractor tries to maximise on margins eventually leaving a mess that the client will have no recourse from. No liquidated damages will be applicable if they are legally bankrupt.

They should rethink this and break the project up into packages and go back out to tender.
Title: Re: Highways and Roadways in T&T Thread.
Post by: Flex on April 21, 2015, 02:09:29 AM
KAMLA: Causeway for Chaguaramas
By Joel Julien (Express).


IF the People's Partnership is re-elected into office for a second successive term after this year's general election, a roadway will be constructed over the water from Port of Spain to Chaguaramas, Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar has announced.

Persad-Bissessar made the announcement as she delivered the feature address at the United National Congress (UNC) Monday Night Forum held at the Fyzabad Secondary School last night.

Persad-Bissessar said Planning Minister Dr Bhoe Tewarie has been working on the construction of the Chaguaramas Boardwalk, which she labelled as "one of the most inspiring" projects for Trinidad and Tobago.

"Our Cabinet has already agreed we will partner with the Canadian government to look into the feasibility of building a causeway from Port of Spain right down to Chaguaramas," Persad-Bissessar said.

"We will look at the causeway, we will build it...you know I was in Panama recently and I saw the causeway running across the water skipping all the major traffic and just getting from place to place with cut-off points along the way.

"We will, with your help, in our second term build the first-ever causeway in Trinidad and Tobago in the North-West peninsula," she stated.

In addition to the causeway, Persad-Bissessar said the construction of the highway from Point Fortin to San Fernando will continue and another highway will be constucted from San Fernando to Mayaro.

"I give you the assurance tonight that the Partnership Government post-election 2015, should we form the Government, we will build the San Fernando to Mayaro highway in that term," Persad-Bissessar said.

On Wednesday, Persad-Bissessar will be celebrating her 63rd birthday.

On that day, chief executive officer of Royal Dutch Shell Ben Van Beurden is scheduled to arrive in Trinidad.

It is Van Beurden's first visit to the Western Hemisphere since the anouncement of a US$70 billion merger between Shell and British Gas two weeks ago.

Persad-Bissessar said the expected arrival of Van Beurden was evidence that there is no truth to claims that this country is facing an "energy crisis".

"In less than 12 hours of that announcement (of the merger) a letter was delivered to me from the CEO of Royal Dutch Shell, Ben Van Beurden, in which he said that Shell is committed to partnering and investing in Trinidad and Tobago," Persad-Bissessar told the crowd in Fyzabad.

"So what crisis? What crisis in the energy sector? When it is Royal Dutch Shell will be coming into our energy sector, will be investing. And remember he is one of the most powerful CEOs in the world. He wrote to us and said he was committed to partnering and investing in Trinidad and Tobago.”

Persad-Bissessar said in addition to the arrival of Van Beurden, a US$1 billion investment will be made in this country following a contract between the Energy Ministry, National Gas Company (NGC) and Mitsubishi, to be established in La Brea.

"Again, where is the crisis, where you have such a large company signing to make an investment of over $6 billion in Trinidad and Tobago. And guess what, for you here tonight in Fyzabad, all of you in the South-West peninsula, that project is going to be in the La Brea Industrial Estate," she said.

Persad-Bissessar said this will equate to 2,000 construction jobs.

Title: Re: Highways and Roadways in T&T Thread.
Post by: Deeks on April 21, 2015, 05:41:30 AM
Rapid Rail more important!
Title: Re: Highways and Roadways in T&T Thread.
Post by: rotatopoti3 on April 21, 2015, 06:09:54 AM

Chief executive officer of Royal Dutch Shell Ben Van Beurden only make €24.2 million for 2014
Title: Re: Highways and Roadways in T&T Thread.
Post by: Deeks on April 21, 2015, 09:31:07 AM

Chief executive officer of Royal Dutch Shell Ben Van Beurden only make €24.2 million for 2014

Rotato, explain what you meant by "only make 24.2 mill for 2014"
Title: Re: Highways and Roadways in T&T Thread.
Post by: Sando prince on April 21, 2015, 10:53:58 AM
The PM is not thinking. A roadway over the water from POS to Chaguaramas will not help ease traffic. Traffic will remain the same!  One of the benefits of the rapid rail will help ease traffic as less people will feel the need to use their vehicles on the road. T&T has more than 700, 000 vehicles on the road at the moment.

I support the rapid rail. Once the rapid rail is implemented as another avenue for transportation there will be less cars on the road and less traffic.
Title: Re: Highways and Roadways in T&T Thread.
Post by: Deeks on April 21, 2015, 11:03:14 AM
less cars on the road and less traffic.

At least at the peak hours.  But I see taxi drivers and the car dealers who import cars as the major stumbling blocks to RR.
Title: Re: Highways and Roadways in T&T Thread.
Post by: Sando prince on April 21, 2015, 11:05:51 AM
PNM's proposal to alleviate our daily transportation woes. I support this.

https://www.youtube.com/v/S9KECyunSuU&feature=youtu.be

Title: Re: Highways and Roadways in T&T Thread.
Post by: Bourbon on April 21, 2015, 11:31:00 AM
Another route is needed out of Chaguaramas. A few weeks ago...I spent 6 hours in stand still traffic for little to no reason. But I think I've heard this causeway plan before..... ::)


There is no way the rate of building roads would keep pace with the rate at which cars come on the roads. Some years ago in school I read a study on Singapore's traffic management plan. The guiding principle was that you make public transportation convenient and readily available at all times while making having or driving your own car inconvenient.

So while the "causeway" would be a good idea, especially with that outlay needed to build it, I'd be in favor of it being a route that has a toll applied to it. One can encourage a park and ride system as well, but just building it wouldnt be as effective as it could be.

The rapid rail is a good idea in principle but the question is what happens to the maxis and taxis that ply the existing routes. Are the rails going to follow existing routes? I'd especially see this being applicable along the East West Corridor and Sando/POS.  And probably in tandem with an expanded water taxi to Sando from Point Fortin.
Title: Re: Highways and Roadways in T&T Thread.
Post by: Deeks on April 21, 2015, 03:37:11 PM
It is obvious that taxi will have to adjust with the RR. They will, hopefully, be the feeder service to the trains. All these cars will not be heading to town to drop off people. POS is a bottleneck. Both the causeway and RR are some expensive projects., though. I see the RR are being able to serve the EW and NS corridors. Sando, Central, Grande, Arima, the Piarco airport. The causeway wil serve just that small area in the north west peninsula. I am not against it, but nationwide public transport is badly needed.
Title: Re: Highways and Roadways in T&T Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on April 21, 2015, 04:37:28 PM
Many countries automatically increase tax on petrol (gas) each year in their budget. This creates a culture of only using cars when necessary. People learn to car pool and there is an increased demand for public transport.

In T&T, part of the cost of Rapid Rail could be recovered through reducing the gas subsidy. Incentives for newer maxis could be introduced and regulations introduced to test cars roadworthyness each year, to remove old, unsafe vehicles from the roads. Only licensed taxis should be allowed, painted in distinctive colours like maxis or New York or London cabs. (Yes, I know many people rely on this income, but many unlicensed "taxis" are not particularly safe.)

It would take some tough measures to reduce the number of cars on our roads, but unless we do something soon, we will face constant gridlock.

We MUST have a rail system and PTSC must be run as a business instead of a government charity. If you owned a bus company and the T&T national team were playing at Ato Boldon, first thing you would do would be to announce shuttles from Couva & Chaguanas to and from the game. PTSC are not in the business of business!!
Title: Re: Highways and Roadways in T&T Thread.
Post by: g on April 21, 2015, 06:54:34 PM
I drive from Arima to Port of Spain everyday and i work downtown, if there is a reliable train service available I will probably go from 5 to 1 day a week driving once the weather is good.

Longer lifespan for my car, i won't hesitate to buy property further east or south given the ease of commute.

This cannot come fast enough.
Title: Re: Highways and Roadways in T&T Thread.
Post by: fishs on April 22, 2015, 01:46:27 AM

 A rail system is for now the only solution.
Title: Re: Highways and Roadways in T&T Thread.
Post by: rotatopoti3 on April 22, 2015, 05:40:42 AM
Chief executive officer of Royal Dutch Shell Ben Van Beurden only make €24.2 million for 2014

Daiz alot of bread Deeks....
Title: Re: Highways and Roadways in T&T Thread.
Post by: Deeks on April 22, 2015, 05:47:04 AM
Chief executive officer of Royal Dutch Shell Ben Van Beurden only make €24.2 million for 2014

Daiz alot of bread Deeks....

Breds, I did not realize the sacarsm. Yes indeed, that is a lot of dough! man 24 mill!!!!!
Title: Re: Highways and Roadways in T&T Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on April 22, 2015, 08:25:21 AM
I drive from Arima to Port of Spain everyday and i work downtown, if there is a reliable train service available I will probably go from 5 to 1 day a week driving once the weather is good.

Longer lifespan for my car, i won't hesitate to buy property further east or south given the ease of commute.

This cannot come fast enough.

CO-SIGNNNNNNNNN
Title: Re: Highways and Roadways in T&T Thread.
Post by: Bakes on April 22, 2015, 05:19:08 PM
Many European countries automatically increase tax on petrol (gas) each year in their budget.

Fixed it for you.
Title: Re: Highways and Roadways in T&T Thread.
Post by: fishs on April 22, 2015, 07:14:22 PM
Many European countries automatically increase tax on petrol (gas) each year in their budget.

Fixed it for you.

 This has to be a real gradual thing (removing the subsidy). I remember the last time diesel was increased by 10% everything in Trinidad went up by 10 to 15%.
The distributers and manufacturers claimed a knock on effect from an increased cost in transport and passed it on to the public.

Now we have a little more competition in the marklet place but there are still big commodity controllers.
Title: Re: Highways and Roadways in T&T Thread.
Post by: Trini1 on April 23, 2015, 08:54:41 AM
It clearly cost them a great deal with the feasibility study so I know the present government is not going to go down that route but then again the opposition is saying that they will go forward with it if they regain power etc... but I don't see much else they can do other than to build a rail system to alleviate the congestion that is presently being experienced on the E/W corridor.

The PBR is jam packed so I'm not sure if buying more CNG buses is going to help if that's the option they are proposing.

Just my 2cents... If rapid rail was too costly then look into a light rail or possibly a light to medium capacity at grade metro system. For the metro it could be elevated at points along the route where it would be costly to acquire land.

Focus should be placed on the the EW corridor then MAYBE in the future the N/S. For now they can make do with the water taxi system as their alternative mode of transportation. If another pier is put up in central then buses and maxi's could feed passengers to those the terminals in south, central and town.

Title: Re: Highways and Roadways in T&T Thread.
Post by: Trini1 on April 23, 2015, 09:54:23 AM
It's all about improving the flow of traffic/people along the entire corridor. Upgrading the CRH to a full grade separated freeway is all well and good and I applaud it but building more roads will not solve the problem either. There needs to be an increase in the use of a safe and efficient public transit system. That option must be available to the people if there is to be a decrease in car ridership.

I've seen mentioned in a newspaper a comparison by minister Cadiz with New York which is outrageous. A better comparison would be with Lausanne, Switzerland which has a population of ~ 300,000 and has a metro system or Rennes, France. Still a tricky comparison but much better in terms of scale. I believe the E/W has a population of ~ 600,000-700,000 so that's a good amount of people and if we could get at least 50% train ridership that could make a difference.

Buses could be used both on the PBR and separately to shuttle passengers to nearby stations in local communities.
Title: Re: Highways and Roadways in T&T Thread.
Post by: Deeks on April 24, 2015, 04:28:34 AM
It's all about improving the flow of traffic/people along the entire corridor. Upgrading the CRH to a full grade separated freeway is all well and good and I applaud it but building more roads will not solve the problem either. There needs to be an increase in the use of a safe and efficient public transit system. That option must be available to the people if there is to be a decrease in car ridership.

I've seen mentioned in the a newspaper a comparison by minister Cadiz with New York which is outrageous. A better comparison would be with Lausanne, Switzerland which has a population of ~ 300,000 and has a metro system or Rennes, France. Still a tricky comparison but much better in terms of scale. I believe the E/W has a population of ~ 600,000-700,000 so that's a good amount of people and if we could get at least 50% train ridership that could make a difference.

Buses could be used both on the PBR and separately to shuttle passengers to nearby stations in local communities.

Breds, you too smart for your own good!
Title: Re: Highways and Roadways in T&T Thread.
Post by: Trini1 on April 24, 2015, 07:56:50 AM
Lol Deeks I sorta like transportation too much.
Title: Re: Highways and Roadways in T&T Thread.
Post by: Deeks on April 24, 2015, 09:29:16 AM
Lol Deeks I sorta like transportation too much.

I see that. I myself have this love for trains. I live part of by boyhood in St.Joseph, Tunapuna and Five Rivers. I talking about the 60s. So we used the train on the EW corridor regularly. People used to take the train for granted. Lots of people did not used to pay. As this was more a communter rail than metro, people used to dodge the ticket guards to avoid paying. The TTR was losing money big time. But the rail service was already winding down while the Brits were still at home.  Road transport was increasing. I was also told that the businesses that controlled the vehicular mode of transportation encouraged the then PNM govt to ditch the rail for bus and taxsi. Neal and Massey and Amalgamated  were the big assembly plants. It created employment for plenty mechanics, welders, painters, upholsterers, electricians. I worked at PTSC assembley plant tool room, before coming up to the states. Then came Trinity motors and Amars motor empire. Cars, Cars, cars. That is how it ended up like this.
Title: Re: Highways and Roadways in T&T Thread.
Post by: Trini1 on April 25, 2015, 06:55:31 AM
Lol Deeks I sorta like transportation too much.

I see that. I myself have this love for trains. I live part of by boyhood in St.Joseph, Tunapuna and Five Rivers. I talking about the 60s. So we used the train on the EW corridor regularly. People used to take the train for granted. Lots of people did not used to pay. As this was more a communter rail than metro, people used to dodge the ticket guards to avoid paying. The TTR was losing money big time. But the rail service was already winding down while the Brits were still at home.  Road transport was increasing. I was also told that the businesses that controlled the vehicular mode of transportation encouraged the then PNM govt to ditch the rail for bus and taxsi. Neal and Massey and Amalgamated  were the big assembly plants. It created employment for plenty mechanics, welders, painters, upholsterers, electricians. I worked at PTSC assembley plant tool room, before coming up to the states. Then came Trinity motors and Amars motor empire. Cars, Cars, cars. That is how it ended up like this.

That's that history right there. Really like to hear about that man. Just wonder what things would be like had the trains remained. I've looked at some of the videos on YouTube I didn't dream of being born yet lol.

That's one of the reasons I'm hoping PNM comes into power- to see if they keep to their word and build this thing. My only hope is that they continue building the highway down south.
Title: Re: Highways and Roadways in T&T Thread.
Post by: Trini1 on April 25, 2015, 06:56:11 AM
Lol Deeks I sorta like transportation too much.

I see that. I myself have this love for trains. I live part of by boyhood in St.Joseph, Tunapuna and Five Rivers. I talking about the 60s. So we used the train on the EW corridor regularly. People used to take the train for granted. Lots of people did not used to pay. As this was more a communter rail than metro, people used to dodge the ticket guards to avoid paying. The TTR was losing money big time. But the rail service was already winding down while the Brits were still at home.  Road transport was increasing. I was also told that the businesses that controlled the vehicular mode of transportation encouraged the then PNM govt to ditch the rail for bus and taxsi. Neal and Massey and Amalgamated  were the big assembly plants. It created employment for plenty mechanics, welders, painters, upholsterers, electricians. I worked at PTSC assembley plant tool room, before coming up to the states. Then came Trinity motors and Amars motor empire. Cars, Cars, cars. That is how it ended up like this.

That's that history right there. Really like to hear about that man. Just wonder what things would be like had the trains remained. I've looked at some of the videos on YouTube I didn't dream of being born yet lol.

That's one of the reasons I'm hoping PNM comes into power- to see if they keep to their word and build this thing. My only hope is that they continue building the highway down south.
Title: Re: Highways and Roadways in T&T Thread.
Post by: Controversial on April 25, 2015, 02:44:53 PM
we had a train system and pnm took it away, so this is no new idea, the question is will they ever do it and talk is cheap...

if PP gets re elected they should build it or if the baliser boys and girls return, because the nation needs it and individual praise or praise for a certain party is not important, the citizens needed this a while ago...
Title: Re: Highways and Roadways in T&T Thread.
Post by: Sando prince on April 25, 2015, 03:18:57 PM
we had a train system and pnm took it away, so this is no new idea, the question is will they ever do it and talk is cheap...

if PP gets re elected they should build it or if the baliser boys and girls return, because the nation needs it and individual praise or praise for a certain party is not important, the citizens needed this a while ago...

You late. The PP already rejected the rapid rail proposal and said they will not implement rapid rail.

Rapid rail was in the PNM 2010 manifesto
Title: Re: Highways and Roadways in T&T Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 14, 2015, 07:39:49 AM
Vinci/Lutchmeesingh to share $400m Curepe Interchange project
By Renuka Singh (Guardian)


The $400 million Curepe Interchange project is expected to start within the next 30 days, with Nidco choosing to jointly award the contract for the project to the two top bidders following a public falling out over the tendering process late last year.

Former junior minister in the Ministry of Works and Infrastructure Stacy Roopnarine had fallen out with her boss Dr Suruj Rambachan, after it was revealed then that local contractor, Lutchmeesingh Transport Company had been selected for the job though it ranked second in the tender screening process. It was revealed that first-ranked bidder Vinci Construction lost out because of its high costing for the mega-job.

The Sunday Guardian has since learned that though Lutchmeesingh was selected, Nidco-based engineers objected on the basis that the company’s tender contained several shortcomings.

However, in fresh developments, Nidco has decided to award the project jointly to the two top bidders. “We are currently in negotiations with the first and second bidder,” Nidco chairman Dr Carson Charles confirmed.

There is no word as to what prompted these fresh negotiations or who made the call to have the job shared between the two top-ranked bidders, but Charles confirmed that the project would be offered to both contractors, after months of the project being on hold and talks of quashing the bid and restarting the tender process.

Back in November, it was reported that the two top bidders had been rejected on the basis of price and expertise, respectively. Charles confirmed to the Sunday Guardian that Nidco’s engineering team had found that several major items were not catered for in the tender submitted by Lutchmeesingh, leading to Nidco overturning that company’s selection for the project previously.

Nidco had been reported then as weighing additional options to get the job done.

The tenure of Nidco’s board ended in December 2014 and left the future of the Curepe Interchange in limbo. Charles had said then that he expected the project to be finalised and awarded by January 2015 but, almost six months later, the project remained stalled.

“We could not come to an agreement with Vinci Construction based on the cost of its tender and with Lutchmeesingh, the negotiation committee was not convinced that they had the ability to complete the job,” Charles said.

“Quite frankly, there were three contractors selected and we were not satisfied with any.”

Despite Charles’ misgivings, the project is expected to come before the Nidco executive within the next month and awarded soon after.

“We are seeking to work out a solution so that we can use the specific expertise from both companies,” Charles said.

The project is expected to be completed 18 months after it begins.

Other projects

Key among the projects to be completed at a rapid rate is the now 50 per cent completed billion-dollar highway to Point Fortin. The Sunday Guardian has learned that Nidco is now in talks with all major road contractors, including Junior Sammy, Seereram Brothers and Lutchmeesingh, for them to work as a unit to complete the road works in conjunction with Brazil-based OAS Construction, which controls the project.

“So much is going on at Nidco,” Charles said.

“We are currently in talks with the major contractors in the country to sub-contract the work on the Point Fortin highway and complete that project by next year,” he said.

He said that Rambachan was expected to open a bridge in Claxton Bay today and has plans for another 20 bridges within the next few months.

Nidco has also started work on landslips around the country and has been given a five-year mandate to work on some 600 landslips, as well as several drainage projects under the Ministry of the Environment and Water Resources.

Charles said another big project—the Diego Martin Interchange—was expected to be tabled soon.

“That project is currently at the design stage and is with the consultant,” Charles said.

Charles said Nidco was also at the execution stage of the Port-of-Spain flood alleviation project which has been funded by the Inter-American Development Bank for well over half-a-billion dollars.

Title: Sandra Bland traffic stop (Raw Uncut)
Post by: Trini _2026 on July 28, 2015, 08:06:30 PM



https://www.youtube.com/v/URAZ3umt7v0

https://www.youtube.com/v/wlWHY2ZkZcs
Title: Re: Sandra Bland traffic stop (Raw Uncut)
Post by: pull stones on July 30, 2015, 04:49:33 AM
what a huge miscarriage of justice by the cop its almost as if he wanted her to bow and when she refused to stroke his ego he became an overseer in an instant. quite a few of these yankee bobbies appear to have a god complex and this confrontation could have easily been quelled if the flat foot had any communication skills or proper training on how to deescalate conflicts that could normally be a none issue in the end. sometimes i wonder what am i doing here in this country. since i have been here there was nothing but cop killings on people of color. i would be lying if i said i wasnt afraid of these gun toting law men.
Title: Traffic-related pollution study in T&T reveals high levels of black carbon
Post by: asylumseeker on November 29, 2018, 09:24:46 AM
First study of traffic-related pollution in Trinidad and Tobago reveals high levels of black carbon
By Liz Do, University of Toronto Engineering News (https://news.engineering.utoronto.ca/first-study-of-traffic-related-pollution-in-trinidad-and-tobago-reveals-high-levels-of-black-carbon/)


(https://news.engineering.utoronto.ca/files/2018/11/Trinidad-emissions-700x500_Credit-Kerolyn-Shairsingh.jpg)
Air pollution in Point Lisas, a major industrial area in Trinidad and Tobago. (Photo courtesy of Kerolyn Shairsingh)

A new U of T Engineering study has measured significant concentrations of traffic-related air pollution near major roadways in Trinidad, reaching levels comparable to highways in Toronto and Detroit.

This is the first study of local emissions conducted on the two islands of Trinidad and Tobago, which was led by Kerolyn Shairsingh (ChemE 0T8, PhD 1T8) under the supervision of Professor Greg Evans (ChemE). The team focused primarily on the airborne pollutant black carbon — also known as soot — which has been linked to negative health outcomes including lung conditions and cancer. Their findings were recently published in the journal Science of the Total Environment.

Shairsingh, who is from Trinidad and Tobago, said she was motivated to research local concentrations of black carbon after years of experiencing asthma attacks every time she travelled back home.

“I have nephews who also have asthma. Sometimes they can’t go outside and play because they would be wheezing,” said Shairsingh. “I always knew that the air quality was poor, but nobody monitors any air quality here at all.”

When she visited home in February 2018, she decided to take air-quality monitoring equipment with her. Shairsingh set up 10 monitoring sites across Trinidad and Tobago over a three-week period, including near oil and gas refineries, urban residences, and major roads including highways and bus routes.

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Shairsingh at one of the 10 air-quality monitoring sites she set up across Trinidad and Tobago.

She found that levels of black carbon around industrial areas on the islands were elevated to levels comparable to Ontario Highway 401, North America’s busiest highway. And levels near major roads in Trinidad were significantly higher.

“That’s what shocked me — that it’s actually traffic that is more of the culprit than the industries here, at least for this particular pollutant,” says Shairsingh.

One site, a commercial area in Trinidad with frequent sidewalk traffic, showed black-carbon levels 1.1-times higher than Health Canada’s proposed limit for long-term black-carbon exposure. Long-term exposure to black carbon has been shown to pose health risks such as asthma, respiratory infections, lung cancer, strokes and cardiovascular mortality.

Shairsingh points out that the major source of black carbon is diesel exhaust. At half the price of gasoline, diesel fuel is prevalent in many of the half-million vehicles driven daily in Trinidad and Tobago.

Although the country passed air pollution legislation in 2014, Shairsingh points out that the guidelines were mostly geared towards industry. “There’s nothing for the monitoring of vehicles at all,” she says.

Shairsingh hopes this study into local emissions will be the first step towards improving the air quality, either through cleaner fuel sources or through retrofitting of large vehicles such as buses and trucks.

Shairsingh is also working on a documentary, Clearing the Air, to further spread awareness of the issue among the residents of Trinidad and Tobago and beyond.

“While I suspected that the air quality was bad in Trinidad, I had no idea that traffic was one of the main culprits,” says Shairsingh. “This paper is one way to spread the news, and the documentary is another avenue to showcase this issue. Until people are aware, there will be no drive for change.”

The documentary will feature interviews in Trinidad and Tobago as well as Canada, including with Evans, who leads the Southern Ontario Centre for Atmospheric Aerosol Research (SOCAAR) at U of T. In addition to Shairsingh’s study, researchers at SOCAAR have recently released their findings on near-road air pollution in Toronto and Vancouver, and on the emerging issue of non-exhaust emissions from brakes, tires and road dust.

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Title: Highways in T&T Thread.
Post by: Flex on February 16, 2020, 10:54:58 AM
50 farmers, homeowners to make way for CR highway extension
By Shaliza Hassanali (Guardian).


Con­struc­tion of the pro­posed mul­ti-mil­lion-dol­lar Churchill-Roo­sevelt High­way ex­ten­sion to San­gre Grande by the Na­tion­al In­fra­struc­ture De­vel­op­ment Com­pa­ny (NID­CO) is not sit­ting well with some Waller­field farm­ers who will have to find land to con­tin­ue their liveli­hood when they are giv­en no­tices to leave.

More than 50 farm­ers and home­own­ers will have to be re­moved to make way for the high­way.

The farm­ers, who said the Gov­ern­ment was giv­ing them a raw deal as they are now forced to hunt for al­ter­na­tive ac­com­mo­da­tion, be­lieve it is a to­tal dis­re­spect to their pro­fes­sion.

At a meet­ing with res­i­dents and farm­ers late last year, a pam­phlet bear­ing a map and de­tails of the new route was cir­cu­lat­ed by NID­CO.

The project in­volves sev­er­al pack­ages which will be done in phas­es—work starts this month and is ex­pect­ed to be com­plet­ed by 2025.

Phase one is a 14-kilo­me­tre sec­tion of the high­way which is ful­ly de­signed. It starts with an in­ter­change at Cu­mu­to Road and ends with an­oth­er in­ter­change at the To­co Main Road. There would al­so be the con­struc­tion of an over­pass over the East­ern Main Road in San­gre Grande.

Phase one con­sists of a 5,000-me­tre seg­ment from Cu­mu­to to San­gre Grande run­ning in a west to east di­rec­tion—it is ap­prox­i­mate­ly 120 me­tres south of and runs par­al­lel to the bound­ary of the en­vi­ron­men­tal­ly sen­si­tive Aripo Sa­van­nas, ap­prox­i­mate­ly 300 me­tres east of Cu­mu­to Road and 600 me­tres west of Guaico Trace, San­gre Grande.

A new four-lane dual car­riage­way from the ex­ist­ing in­ter­sec­tion of the Churchill-Roo­sevelt High­way and Cu­mu­to Road will be built and sev­er­al riv­er cross­ings and box cul­verts will al­so be con­struct­ed.

Farm­ers have no say—Bowen

Live­stock farmer Wayne Bowen said they were told by NID­CO that Gov­ern­ment need­ed their lands for the mega project.

An ex­ec­u­tive mem­ber of the Waller­field Farm­ers’ and Al­lied Wel­fare As­so­ci­a­tion, Bowen said an as­sess­ment was yet to be done on their land.

He said plans were be­ing made with­out the farm­ers' in­volve­ment or hav­ing a say.

"They do­ing what they have to do and then com­ing to talk to us. There has been no con­sul­ta­tion. We were told af­ter an as­sess­ment is made by the Gov­ern­ment we would be paid for our prop­er­ties and we have to move out. They are not go­ing to re­lo­cate us.

"So, I have to find land to con­tin­ue my farm. I am not in agree­ment with this.

"Why they can’t find a place for us?"

The farm­ers have been earn­ing their liveli­hood on agri­cul­tur­al lands leased to them by the State for decades.

He said dozens of farm­ers' lands in­clud­ing some homes are in the di­rect path of the high­way and they would have to move out.

Bowen said an in­ter­change will be built on Nicaragua Road where he rears live­stock on his eight-acre par­cel of land.

"Don't tell me you de­vel­op­ing the coun­try and I am go­ing to be left be­hind. At the end of the day, when they build this high­way all the rich folks will come around and buy up all the land and they will ben­e­fit.

"No­body is go­ing to push noth­ing down my throat be­cause I will rebel. If they deal with me fair­ly, I am the most peace­ful and lov­ing per­son. But don’t come and tell me I have to move and I had to hunt for a new place. That is a recipe for stress and peo­ple to lose their cool."

Bowen said he will not let the Gov­ern­ment "rail­road" him.

He said if the Gov­ern­ment need­ed his land, they would have to find al­ter­na­tive ac­com­mo­da­tion for him.

Bowen gave up his sec­ondary school ed­u­ca­tion to pur­sue farm­ing which he has been do­ing for 51 years.

"Rear­ing live­stock is all I know. A man my age would have to be run­ning around like a head­less chick­en to lo­cate a place. Nah man...We are wait­ing for the next step."

Bowen said he had sug­gest­ed an­oth­er route which NID­CO could have used to avoid dis­rupt­ing the farm­ers’ lives, but his con­sid­er­a­tion was ig­nored.

'Noth­ing should stand in the way of progress'

Live­stock farmer David El­lis, how­ev­er, shared a dif­fer­ent view, stat­ing that farm­ers should not stand in the way of progress.

"50 peo­ple can­not hold back 50,000 peo­ple. I am try­ing to en­cour­age farm­ers not to protest or re­sist but to try and get the best val­u­a­tion and pack­age pos­si­ble to have an easy tran­si­tion."

El­lis said they heard Gov­ern­ment will give them a list of recog­nised val­u­a­tors to have their prop­er­ties eval­u­at­ed.

"That is why I in­tend to get an in­de­pen­dent val­u­a­tor to en­sure what is giv­en to me is eq­ui­table and fair. I am try­ing my best to en­cour­age the farm­ers to look at it from a pos­i­tive stand­point. It is gov­ern­ment's land."

While some farm­ers pre­ferred re­lo­ca­tion, El­lis said such a move can be un­fair to an in­di­vid­ual.

"The Gov­ern­ment can shift you to an area you do not like or where it floods. To me, it is bet­ter you find your own place.”

In light of the new de­vel­op­ment, El­lis said a small group of farm­ers have since re­tained the ser­vices of an at­tor­ney who has been ad­vis­ing them.

"We don't know when we will be giv­en no­tices. Based on feed­back, it is sup­posed to be served some­where near the end of Feb­ru­ary to March."

He es­ti­mat­ed that rough­ly 50 farms and house­holds in Waller­field will be af­fect­ed.

"I per­son­al­ly hope they come for the land be­cause farm­ing in Trinidad is a strug­gle."

El­lis has been oc­cu­py­ing a 13-acre par­cel for years

The land, he in­sist­ed, is not suit­ed for cul­ti­vat­ing crops.

'It's to­tal­ly un­fair'

The as­so­ci­a­tion’s pres­i­dent, Lisa Perez, who rep­re­sents 500 farm­ers, sees the move by NID­CO as to­tal­ly un­fair.

Perez said the farm­ers were hop­ing for a con­sul­ta­tion with NID­CO which they are yet to see.

"We had a meet­ing in Coryal which was out of the way for the farm­ers. Many could not at­tend. All the ques­tions we put to NID­CO they did not an­swer."

She said she in­tends to hold a meet­ing soon with the farm­ers to de­ter­mine how many will be ad­verse­ly af­fect­ed be­cause the num­bers keep go­ing up.

"There are not on­ly farm­ers along the Cu­mu­to Road who will have to move out. Yes­ter­day, we heard oth­er farm­ers along the Churchill-Roo­sevelt High­way go­ing in­to Block Three as well as some farm­ers on Ja­cob Hill will be af­fect­ed al­so."

Perez said the fact that they have to find al­ter­na­tive ac­com­mo­da­tion meant they will be fight­ing up on their own to con­tin­ue their trade.

"The mar­ket val­ue of prop­er­ties to­day is above $1 mil­lion. I don’t know if we will be ad­e­quate­ly com­pen­sat­ed. That is my con­cern. I think it is dis­re­spect. They dis­re­spect­ed us. Like every­thing else, it's di­vide and con­quer. I think they are play­ing on that be­cause farm­ers don’t un­der­stand the mar­ket val­ue of prop­er­ties. I think they want to take ad­van­tage of them. Of course, I am dis­sat­is­fied."

Sinanan: EMA will have a con­sul­ta­tion with farm­ers

Works and Trans­port Min­is­ter Ro­han Sinanan, un­der whose purview NID­CO falls, told Guardian Me­dia the Gov­ern­ment would re­quire some lands for the con­struc­tion of the high­way.

"That is just part of the process. A val­ue on the land will be de­ter­mined on the land ac­quired and eq­ui­table com­pen­sa­tion will be hand­ed out. At the end of the day, you can­not keep back the progress of a coun­try be­cause some­body may have sen­ti­men­tal ties to some­thing. If it is a farm and you make a liv­ing, you put in a claim for that. There is a val­ue to that."

She said she in­tends to hold a meet­ing soon with the farm­ers to de­ter­mine how many will be ad­verse­ly af­fect­ed be­cause the num­bers keep go­ing up.

"There are not on­ly farm­ers along the Cu­mu­to Road who will have to move out. Yes­ter­day, we heard oth­er farm­ers along the Churchill-Roo­sevelt High­way go­ing in­to Block Three as well as some farm­ers on Ja­cob Hill will be af­fect­ed al­so."

Perez said the fact that they have to find al­ter­na­tive ac­com­mo­da­tion meant they will be fight­ing up on their own to con­tin­ue their trade.

"The mar­ket val­ue of prop­er­ties to­day is above $1 mil­lion. I don’t know if we will be ad­e­quate­ly com­pen­sat­ed. That is my con­cern. I think it is dis­re­spect. They dis­re­spect­ed us. Like every­thing else, it's di­vide and con­quer. I think they are play­ing on that be­cause farm­ers don’t un­der­stand the mar­ket val­ue of prop­er­ties. I think they want to take ad­van­tage of them. Of course, I am dis­sat­is­fied."

Sinanan: EMA will have a con­sul­ta­tion with farm­ers

Works and Trans­port Min­is­ter Ro­han Sinanan, un­der whose purview NID­CO falls, told Guardian Me­dia the Gov­ern­ment would re­quire some lands for the con­struc­tion of the high­way.

"That is just part of the process. A val­ue on the land will be de­ter­mined on the land ac­quired and eq­ui­table com­pen­sa­tion will be hand­ed out. At the end of the day, you can­not keep back the progress of a coun­try be­cause some­body may have sen­ti­men­tal ties to some­thing. If it is a farm and you make a liv­ing, you put in a claim for that. There is a val­ue to that."

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