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Sports => Football => Topic started by: Touches on March 23, 2006, 07:22:42 AM
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I reading how some forumites hating on USA and they coach, others saying we woulda beat them two side, and yet if someone doe agree and doe think TT can win they are not patriotic and are waggonist and something wrong with them.
Listen and read......Is pure Level unadulterrated cutarse TT woulda collect.
If we did play any of them two side.
Wanting and hoping for a result is one thing, but I fed up hear alyuh talk bout is 11 vs 11 and anything can happen on the field.
We ent flipping ready right now to beat them 2 side.
USA does play we at a relaxed walking pace and we doe have a flipping clue. We does cyar match them for speed, size, strength or fitness and the germans rough them up and make them look small.
We play a 3rd string USA side down here and they beat we, we get totally outplayed in the US and we only beat them once in a charity friendly and man feel we could compete.
Lemme show alyuh how this TT side is right now.....We come like the star primary school pupil who pass SEA and skip form one and two and liming in the form three class.
We bright, full of potential......... we ent ready to do CXC yet, but we still playing fass and attempting to do the lil mock exam and pass papers hoping for something when the big exam come.
Yet we want to feel we go score more marks than a side who in first year undergrad and another side who finish they Masters and writing journal in an attempt to gain they PHD.
It doe flikkin work so......It is nice to overachieve, but yuh have to look at yuhself and know yuh place, see yuh limitations and work on them.
Another University side and A level side show we that we need to go and do some more lessons.....hence we come 4th in test.
Still because we playing the arse we had a post primary side beat we by five marks.
Its a good thing we "Uncle" see we needed help and get the correct teacher for we.
But small thing......I still hoping this form three pupil we have here could get a full certificate, but we ent ready as yet.......we need the practice courses and intense training to raise we up a few notches. The mock exam vs the Czechs is the real litmus test to see where we standing and if we have to go back and do remedial.
Until then lewwe keep doing we studies and hope nobody rest a dunce cap on we head.
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And thats touches with his as usual Hard hitting comments.. Stay tuned for more of " D'Touches Report"
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Hell of analogy :beermug:
And now yuh just raise some people blood pressure in here, prepare for detention and strokes
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So Dwight and Latas are repeaters ? ;D ;D ;D
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The mock exam vs the Czechs is the real litmus test to see where we standing and if we have to go back and do remedial.
The Czechs have their remaining friendlies against us, Saudi Arabia and Costa Rica - I dont think they are planning to exert themselves too much before the tournament.
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So Dwight and Latas are repeaters ? ;D ;D ;D
Lawrrd that was funny.. :devil:
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I would disagree on the point of mentioning the game here where a "3rd string" (definitely wasn't 3rd, many many 1st string players started) and it was before Beenhakker. I didn't read through the USA crying and other threads, but I think it's bull for anyone to say the USA is crap and we had any chance against Germany, we are just not in their league yet. I would however still say 11v11 anything can happen (that is just hope in as a fan, not being a bigot), but we just haven't put it to the test under Beenhakker really yet versus a top side, we'll get 3 chances in Germany. I don't know if I'd look too much into the friendly against Czech, I am always hesitant on taking friendlies seriously.
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i agree with touches except the part about the 3rd string US team buh we really nuh ready yet
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Fishs
Dwight and latas repeat 4 times..89,94,98,2002.
In fact real man repeat Andrews and Ince I think dey since 94 and Stern dey since 98. Tallest and Carlos join the class around that time too.
Cyd, Avery, Sancho,Cox and dem come round 2000, so they only fail once.
Some men now join the class but they struggling, like Theobold and Rahim, Sealy and Jones.
While others does make guest appearance in class like Slivio.
But the flipping bright boys and scholars is Whitley and Birchall. Them come to class and pass on they first attempt.
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So yuh feel after de worldcup is remedial classes or plenty men getting expel ?
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Fishs
Dwight and latas repeat 4 times..89,94,98,2002.
In fact real man repeat Andrews and Ince I think dey since 94 and Stern dey since 98. Tallest and Carlos join the class around that time too.
Cyd, Avery, Sancho,Cox and dem come round 2000, so they only fail once.
Some men now join the class but they struggling, like Theobold and Rahim, Sealy and Jones.
While others does make guest appearance in class like Slivio.
But the flipping bright boys and scholars is Whitley and Birchall. Them come to class and pass on they first attempt.
Wasn't Whitley involved in WC2002 hex on Simoes team?
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teach them
them say we woulda draw 1-1 :rotfl:
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this site should be divided into men who think intelligently and men who living in frigging Narnia
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"We play a 3rd string USA side down here and they beat we, we get totally outplayed in the US and we only beat them once in a charity friendly and man feel we could compete."
could som1 xplaian to me when we played a 3rd string usa side cause that was d best usa had to offer the two times we played them. be logical 1st game of the hex and u will not play your strongest side steupssssssss usa is better than us but usa cannot beat us with no 2nd string team much less 3rd
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I reading how some forumites hating on USA and they coach, others saying we woulda beat them two side, and yet if someone doe agree and doe think TT can win they are not patriotic and are waggonist and something wrong with them.
Listen and read......Is pure Level unadulterrated cutarse TT woulda collect.
If we did play any of them two side.
Wanting and hoping for a result is one thing, but I fed up hear alyuh talk bout is 11 vs 11 and anything can happen on the field.
We ent flipping ready right now to beat them 2 side.
USA does play we at a relaxed walking pace and we doe have a flipping clue. We does cyar match them for speed, size, strength or fitness and the germans rough them up and make them look small.
We play a 3rd string USA side down here and they beat we, we get totally outplayed in the US and we only beat them once in a charity friendly and man feel we could compete.
Lemme show alyuh how this TT side is right now.....We come like the star primary school pupil who pass SEA and skip form one and two and liming in the form three class.
We bright, full of potential......... we ent ready to do CXC yet, but we still playing fass and attempting to do the lil mock exam and pass papers hoping for something when the big exam come.
Yet we want to feel we go score more marks than a side who in first year undergrad and another side who finish they Masters and writing journal in an attempt to gain they PHD.
It doe flikkin work so......It is nice to overachieve, but yuh have to look at yuhself and know yuh place, see yuh limitations and work on them.
Another University side and A level side show we that we need to go and do some more lessons.....hence we come 4th in test.
Still because we playing the arse we had a post primary side beat we by five marks.
Its a good thing we "Uncle" see we needed help and get the correct teacher for we.
But small thing......I still hoping this form three pupil we have here could get a full certificate, but we ent ready as yet.......we need the practice courses and intense training to raise we up a few notches. The mock exam vs the Czechs is the real litmus test to see where we standing and if we have to go back and do remedial.
Until then lewwe keep doing we studies and hope nobody rest a dunce cap on we head.
everybody knows that deep down inside...........I made the poll yesterday to see how many people were bold enough to admit it.
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Freakazoid,
After a whole post your gripe is that I said we lost to a 3rd string USA side. You seem to have missed the plot.
Ok I stand corrected we lost to a USA side that was missing its best player, captain Reyna and they did not train properly because of a wage dispute.
Point is we still lorse and did not capitalise on their weakness at the time.
We lorse to them again in the USA with a weaker US side.In fact they totally dominate us that match...I left some stats and line ups below.Imagine they outshoot we 18-1.......But some feel we better than them and we could beat them
And yes USA can beat us with a Total MLS side. In fact they even beat us with no professionals and college students in 89.
Anyways infer what you will from the info below.
Match-up: USA vs. Trinidad and Tobago
Date: February 9, 2005
Competition: FIFA World Cup qualifier – Final Round
Venue: Queen’s Park Oval – Port of Spain, Trinidad
Kickoff: 3:30 p.m. AT
Attendance: n/a
Weather: 91 degrees, hot and hazy
Scoring Summary: 1 2 F
USA 1 1 2
Trinidad & Tobago 0 1 1
Scoring:
USA – Eddie Johnson (Steve Cherundolo) 30th minute.
USA – Eddie Lewis (Landon Donovan) 54.
TRI – Angus Eve (Anton Pierre) 89.
Lineups:
USA: 18-Kasey Keller; 6-Steve Cherundolo, 23-Eddie Pope, 12-Cory Gibbs, 4-Carlos Bocanegra; 25-Pablo Mastroeni (8-Clint Dempsey, 66), 10-Landon Donovan (Capt.), 17-DaMarcus Beasley, 7-Eddie Lewis (5-Chris Albright, 82); 20-Brian McBride, 9-Ed Johnson (3-Gregg Berhalter, 87)
Subs not used: 24-Marcus Hahnemann, 2-Frankie Hejduk, 13-Taylor Twellman, 16-Josh Wolff
Head Coach: Bruce Arena.
TRI: 1-Shaka Hislop; 2-Marlon Rojas; 4-Marvin Andrews; 5-Bret Sancho; 7-Leslie Fitzpatrick (13-Cornell Glenn, 71); 10-Anthony Rougier (8-Angus Eve, 46); 15-Kenwyne Jones; 11-Carlos Edwards (12-Densil Theobold, 74); 14-Stern John; 16-Anton Pierre; 19-Dwight Yorke
Subs not used: 21-Clayton Ince; 6-Derek King; 9-Scott Sealy.
Theobald; 3-David Charles
Head Coach: Bertille St.Clair.
Match-up: USA vs. Trinidad & Tobago
Date: August 17, 2005
Competition: FIFA World Cup qualifier
Venue: Rentschler Field – East Hartford, Connecticut
Kickoff: 8 p.m. ET
Attendance: 25,488
Weather: 80 degrees, clear
Scoring Summary: 1 2 F
USA 1 0 1
TRI 0 0 0
Scoring:
USA – Brian McBride (Bobby Convey) 2nd minute.
Lineups:
USA: 18-Kasey Keller; 4-Chris Albright, 22-Oguchi Onyewu, 3-Gregg Berhalter, 7-Eddie Lewis; 19-Steve Ralston (9-Santino Quaranta, 72), 10-Claudio Reyna (capt.), 5-John O’Brien (14-Chris Armas, 46), 15-Bobby Convey; 21-Landon Donovan, 20-Brian McBride (13-Taylor Twellman, 83)
Subs not used: 1-Tim Howard, 2-Greg Vanney, 11-Jeff Cunningham, 12-Jimmy Conrad
Head Coach: Bruce Arena.
TRI: 21-Kelvin Jack; 3-Avery John, 4-Marvin Andrews, 2-Atiba Charles (8-Scott Sealy, 46+), 6-Dennis Lawrence; 9-Aurtis Whitley, 16-Silvio Spann, 7-Christopher Birchall, 20-Collin Samuel (5-Brent Sancho, 46+); 19-Dwight Yorke (capt.), 14-Stern John (15-Kenwyne Jones, 55)
Subs not used: 1-Shaka Hislop, 18-Densil Theobold, 23-Anthony Wolfe, 24-Cyd Gray
Head Coach: Leo Beenhakker
Stats Summary: USA TRI
Shots 18 1
Saves 0 10
Corner Kicks 5 3
Fouls 19 13
Offside 3 4
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Touches are you stupid??? You have to be living in America. I sure.In Football anything can happen. The point is T&T didn't play any of those sides. USA and Germany play and USA got THRASHED!!!!
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Finally people with some gray matter. As of now, we are nowhere close to beating even a 2nd string German team. Yet men saying we would beat and tie with them. Worse yet some saying we could beat the US team when we had two opportunities is the last year to do so and simply couldn't. For some reason people think that beating Bahrain and Iceland has made us into world beater over night. Right now, I think we can be competitive and also show flashes of brilliance from a few players but we have very far to go in order to be able to beat Sweden and Paraguay.
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I guess men was sleeping durign the logic class....
The level of opposition we've played in our Iceland friendly vs what the US has played vs Germany is inferior. Yes we looked good but consider. Iceland's domestic players are out of season. The game was at a neutral site and Iceland really had nothing to play for. The level of intensity wasn't all that impressive. Yes our team played good ball but there was nothing at stake.
Contrast that with the sense of urgency and the pressure felt by the germans and their coach having lost to Italy and you could see that there was more at stake for them. They played like it mattered.
Our team is coming along well but we ent ready to face germany in front of their home crowd. Imagine klose pressuring dog in the defensive 3rd and what happens when he cough up the ball...... imagine a set play from the wing with 6 or 7 6 footers attacking the cross..... Imagine ballaed threading passes through the seams in the defense for man to run in behind......imagine high pressure on the ball from teh time you take a touch a german in yuh face.....
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Well ponnox I do not think of myself as stupid,
No .......I live in Trinidad, if you came to the Warrior Nation Sweat you woulda see me.
But you have just proved to me that you have a comprehension problem.
Please note The opening paragraph of this post.....it was directed at those who think we would beat the US and Germany had we played them.
Yes...... I does look at things different, I doe like to sugar coat nuttin and I am realistic when it comes to many things. I also like to disagree with people when they doe substantiate they claim or provide convincing evidence so I can see their logic. I also consider myself quite good at predicting a scoreline.
I think I am one of the biggest TT fans here and I support my team and nation in whatever modest way I can. But I also know my teams limitations and what they are capable of......does that make me love this team any less or make me less of a patriot.
I doe like the USA mens team but I respect them cause they improve and does wash we arse good and proper.
I feel men only gripe is cause is the USA, and they ent get over they 89 tabanca yet.
But if a man was to say Brazil go cut we tail.......yuh know all man jack would agree, and woulda be predicting score.
Yes the ball is round and anything could happen, but in most instances it doe take a seerman to know when a side ripe for a cutarse.
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Touches boy
good luck with the backlash yuh going to recieve from this post
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touches i have yuh back on this one
in another thread ah man say if we doh win the cup he go be vex :rotfl:
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I feel men only gripe is cause is the USA, and they ent get over they 89 tabanca yet.
so many posts could be summed up with that sentence
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Yorke and latsa is repeaters.... :rotfl: :rotfl:
But fellas if alyuh remember CXC does come hard one year and easy de next. Senegal pass wid some subjects last year.... Dey get de required 5 subjects tuh get ah full certificate.... Was the last exam easy or hard?????
WC finals thefinal exam
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I feel men only gripe is cause is the USA, and they ent get over they 89 tabanca yet.
I agree with yuh dey yes. If Mexico or Costa Rica got a similar result vs Germany there would be more concern about Concacaf's ability to compete with Europes' best as opposed to the posts we getting about the US getting deserved licks etc.
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Yorke and latsa is repeaters.... :rotfl: :rotfl:
But fellas if alyuh remember CXC does come hard one year and easy de next. Senegal pass wid some subjects last year.... Dey get de required 5 subjects tuh get ah full certificate.... Was the last exam easy or hard?????
WC finals thefinal exam
doh forget 3 is ah pass now eh
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I dislike the american team, because Millions Of north americans hate "soccer". The WC and football is a joke to them, not because of 89 even doh it was sad,but where here now. PS West Coast talk yah talk . :beermug:
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Ok Touches you have some valid point, but as supporters ah doh really blame men for thinking we can beat those 2 teams..dat is what supporter are for. What are you saying, if you have a chile in form 3 bright enough to take cxc, you go tell them prepare for failure? nah, you go tell them go out there and give it your all, do your best, you can do it, if you fall short at least you compete with the other form 5s. What happen to "shoot for the moon and if you miss, at least you would be among the stars" I say we can beat whoever we put our mind to beat and if we play good ball we in the mix. We could play hard, now we just have to learn how to play sensible ball. Dais my piece!
Big Up!
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I dislike the american team, because Millions Of north americans hate "soccer". The WC and football is a joke to them, not because of 89 even doh it was sad,but where here now. PS West Coast talk yah talk . :beermug:
quite easily the lamest reason to dislike any team. what liking a team has to do with the level of popularity of the sport in that country? first off, you kinda wrong. more american chidren play 'soccer' than any other american sport except american football...so the majority of parents and children do not hate the sport. american's actually go to MLS games...average attendances per team range between 15,000 and 20,000. The MLS final is always a sellout. Compare that to PFL.
But if you were right you should like (or at least respect) the US national team then. According to you, they have gone aganst the grain and play the sport they love and promote it amongst the ignorance....something we in T&T doh have to face...that is no reason to hate a team.
before people get carried away..i eh saying you cyah dislike any team....I jes' studying dis particular reason
nice commentary Touches...bitin'....and nice
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I dislike the american team, because Millions Of north americans hate "soccer". The WC and football is a joke to them, not because of 89 even doh it was sad,but where here now. PS West Coast talk yah talk . :beermug:
That reasoning failed the logic test with flying colours.........
american's actually go to MLS games...average attendances per team range between 15,000 and 20,000.
didn't know that average MLS attendances were that high - impressive
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This post just shows a difference of opinion between two of the theories of expectation.
Realism and Optimism....which side are u on??
I love Trinidad and Tobago Football and i will be in Germany supporting the boys, but some of us ah lil too sensitive when people reveal the truth about our team!!
Man does talk about upset and underdog victory, but de same men who always seem to bring up Cameroon and Senegal's victory does apparently forget what Argentina did to Jamaica and what Germany did to Saudi Arabia!!
nice post touches!!
ah love it!!
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I don"t know These 15,000 people , i know men on the street ,sport fans , who say f#@k soccer ;D
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This post just shows a difference of opinion between two of the theories of expectation.
Realism and Optimism....which side are u on??
I love Trinidad and Tobago Football and i will be in Germany supporting the boys, but some of us ah lil too sensitive when people reveal the truth about our team!!
Man does talk about upset and underdog victory, but de same men who always seem to bring up Cameroon and Senegal's victory does apparently forget what Argentina did to Jamaica and what Germany did to Saudi Arabia!!
nice post touches!!
ah love it!!
Yeah ent :beermug: take one fuh this post Andre, like they choose not to remember them cutarse at all.
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This post just shows a difference of opinion between two of the theories of expectation.
Realism and Optimism....which side are u on??
the truth is...when it comes to supporting your team, we are all both. For example...If T&T plays Argentina...every T&T fan will hope we win. We know that under certain circumstances the underdog can and has prevailed. But if we lose, can you honestly say you would be surprised? Realism and optimism are not mutually exclusive sympathies. So when Touches say we would get a cutarse from Germany, he not saying that T&T cyah beat them...he just saying what we all know, it is unlikely. The discussion is not about, what if Germany had a shit game and T&T had the game of their life what would happen...When we compare two teams hypothetically, we assume that they both play to their full strengthsat least that is what we do when discussing football intelligently between any other 2 teams.
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I don"t know These 15,000 people , i know men on the street ,sport fans , who say f#@k soccer ;D
sounds like you need to move to another part of the country
yuh still eh making no sense...if anything..you making an argument to like people who actually love the sport amongst all these haters.
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Drink Carib :chilling: NOT Hatorade.
I like being fair and realistic....and you almost always if not always post fair and realistic. Take ah drink fuh that.
Ah noticing there are quite ah few on this site that just say what is popular....others who just say what on they mind, and others who are logical and realistic. If ah was to do ah audit ah people posts is REAL people does change dey tune from day to day....post to post.
Fellas like Touches consistant :beermug:
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To make a long story short,without going into where the MLS ranks in The american sport leagues "low'.Or that soccer kids with threre soccer moms, grow out of the sport for some reason' NFL'. There are not a traditional power, and i don:t respect them as yet .Sorry.
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I don"t know These 15,000 people , i know men on the street ,sport fans , who say f#@k soccer ;D
sounds like you need to move to another part of the country
yuh still eh making no sense...if anything..you making an argument to like people who actually love the sport amongst all these haters.
de man have a point.for the past years i've been living here i never been able to have to have ah good football discussion with an american
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de man have a point.for the past years i've been living here i never been able to have to have ah good football discussion with an american
It kinda hard to have a good football discussion with a Trini too......... ;D
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de man have a point.for the past years i've been living here i never been able to have to have ah good football discussion with an american
It kinda hard to have a good football discussion with a Trini too......... ;D
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Drink Carib :chilling: NOT Hatorade.
I like being fair and realistic....and you almost always if not always post fair and realistic. Take ah drink fuh that.
Ah noticing there are quite ah few on this site that just say what is popular....others who just say what on they mind, and others who are logical and realistic. If ah was to do ah audit ah people posts is REAL people does change dey tune from day to day....post to post.
Fellas like Touches consistant :beermug:
I think it's just hard for some people to criticize something they love.......especially in good times (like the present in Trini football). Deep down I think everyone is wary of the fact that we may not make a big splash on the big stage..........but I can sympathize with those whose hopes are too big to see the "real picture"......yes there is value in bringing things back down to earth, but dreamers make the world go around too......and make the board more interesting........people's views and attitudes will always change with the changing spirit and enviroment as well.........that's human nature :beermug:
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hey ,I know I didn "t counter everything But jeezes, pass ah carib .That was fun doh :beermug:
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No disrepect to anyone but for God's sake lets face facts:
Our record against the USA is the pits as we have only beat them twice and those games were fete matches.
In games that matter World Cup and the Gold Cup we have tied them twice and of those two games only the first game in 1989 did it mean anything.
I would make the arguement that T&T would have beat that US side if we were more consistent. However, we are not. I would settle for a record like the one Costa Rica has against the US. Hell I would settle for a good record against Costa Rica
I am proud that T&T has made it to the World Cup but we have not played any big teams since Mexico. No solid European teams, no solid African teams and no solid South American teams.
When it comes to football on the world stage we are the shrubs in the background, the US and Mexico the trees and teams like Brazil and Germany the actors.
Sorry fellas just beacause a third rate US team gets it's ass kicked does not mean that we will enjoy the same result against the Americans.
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I don"t know These 15,000 people , i know men on the street ,sport fans , who say f#@k soccer ;D
sounds like you need to move to another part of the country
yuh still eh making no sense...if anything..you making an argument to like people who actually love the sport amongst all these haters.
de man have a point.for the past years i've been living here i never been able to have to have ah good football discussion with an american
i doh doubt that...
say wha'..we all experience different things. respect boy Morvant...Compre :beermug: :beermug:
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touches u making real sense..dont take on them rest of fellas..and i glad we have real optimists on this forum..coz optimists make the best fans and that is what the passion of the game is about..but doh be calling the US crap and shit talking them when you and I know what we record is against them..the US second or thrid string side get wash from Germany..what wrong with that? still doesnt mean we could beat either of twose 2 teams. Germany had almost their full team..the US did not..i know man go bawl that is not true but face facts--when Germany come out with their roster and the US come out with theirs we will compare how many players from this game are in it--and you will see what I talking about
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Drink Carib :chilling: NOT Hatorade.
I like being fair and realistic....and you almost always if not always post fair and realistic. Take ah drink fuh that.
Ah noticing there are quite ah few on this site that just say what is popular....others who just say what on they mind, and others who are logical and realistic. If ah was to do ah audit ah people posts is REAL people does change dey tune from day to day....post to post.
Fellas like Touches consistant :beermug:
I think it's just hard for some people to criticize something they love.......especially in good times (like the present in Trini football). Deep down I think everyone is wary of the fact that we may not make a big splash on the big stage..........but I can sympathize with those whose hopes are too big to see the "real picture"......yes there is value in bringing things back down to earth, but dreamers make the world go around too......and make the board more interesting........people's views and attitudes will always change with the changing spirit and enviroment as well.........that's human nature :beermug:
Ah go drink tuh that :chilling:
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not happy bout this touches
for a die hard u tend to write some "wierd" subjects....like d time wen u say we eh deserve to go to d cuop? wat kinnda comments yuh making
doh worry tnt go pull through ....sometimes bright SEA students could make it form 3 just like TnT
FULLSTOP
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hardluck Touches... buh Ignorance is bliss.
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I reading how some forumites hating on USA and they coach, others saying we woulda beat them two side, and yet if someone doe agree and doe think TT can win they are not patriotic and are waggonist and something wrong with them.
Listen and read......Is pure Level unadulterrated cutarse TT woulda collect.
If we did play any of them two side.
Wanting and hoping for a result is one thing, but I fed up hear alyuh talk bout is 11 vs 11 and anything can happen on the field.
We ent flipping ready right now to beat them 2 side.
USA does play we at a relaxed walking pace and we doe have a flipping clue. We does cyar match them for speed, size, strength or fitness and the germans rough them up and make them look small.
We play a 3rd string USA side down here and they beat we, we get totally outplayed in the US and we only beat them once in a charity friendly and man feel we could compete.
Lemme show alyuh how this TT side is right now.....We come like the star primary school pupil who pass SEA and skip form one and two and liming in the form three class.
We bright, full of potential......... we ent ready to do CXC yet, but we still playing fass and attempting to do the lil mock exam and pass papers hoping for something when the big exam come.
Yet we want to feel we go score more marks than a side who in first year undergrad and another side who finish they Masters and writing journal in an attempt to gain they PHD.
It doe flikkin work so......It is nice to overachieve, but yuh have to look at yuhself and know yuh place, see yuh limitations and work on them.
Another University side and A level side show we that we need to go and do some more lessons.....hence we come 4th in test.
Still because we playing the arse we had a post primary side beat we by five marks.
Its a good thing we "Uncle" see we needed help and get the correct teacher for we.
But small thing......I still hoping this form three pupil we have here could get a full certificate, but we ent ready as yet.......we need the practice courses and intense training to raise we up a few notches. The mock exam vs the Czechs is the real litmus test to see where we standing and if we have to go back and do remedial.
Until then lewwe keep doing we studies and hope nobody rest a dunce cap on we head.
Touches take this analogy and shove it,I'm tired of hearing people talking about why we would've lost.
You Know just before my dad passed away he did say back in his day when he was a football player and suppoter,whether they were having an exibition match against brazil or england or even jamaica it was always the talk that they would have a hard time with us and we could beat anybody.
But yet half these men on this site I'm sure ain't have the balls to do what them warriors attempting,oh sure this is ah forum for discussion and one should be odjective in there views,but you've failed miserably,firstly your views are one-sided you're in no way fair and objective as to why the warriors might have punished germany.
Yuh no I'm to the belief that many of us still living in this slave mentality where we have to big up the white man,and short change the blackman because of this perceived notion that they're somewhat more superior,so the idea is to go into a game already losers before it even starts.
"{Oh My God allyuh ent hear who we playing"Who Who Who!boy is germany,oh shit game done is real licks.}
That has become second nature for us the fear of the unknown.
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Touches take this analogy and shove it,I'm tired of hearing people talking about why we would've lost.
You Know just before my dad passed away he did say back in his day when he was a football player and suppoter,whether they were having an exibition match against brazil or england or even jamaica it was always the talk that they would have a hard time with us and we could beat anybody.
But yet half these men on this site I'm sure ain't have the balls to do what them warriors attempting,oh sure this is ah forum for discussion and one should be odjective in there views,but you've failed miserably,firstly your views are one-sided you're in no way fair and objective as to why the warriors might have punished germany.
Yuh no I'm to the belief that many of us still living in this slave mentality where we have to big up the white man,and short change the blackman because of this perceived notion that they're somewhat more superior,so the idea is to go into a game already losers before it even starts.
"{Oh My God allyuh ent hear who we playing"Who Who Who!boy is germany,oh shit game done is real licks.}
That has become second nature for us the fear of the unknown.
Saga, you're obviously very emotional about the topic. I think the slave analogy is a little off in this instance. Alot can be said of a nation's esteem and pride and it's relationship to history etc....alot that is relevant to Trinidad's society, culture, views & attitudes etc..... but in this case I think Touches was talking from a football perspective only. football vs football Trinidad still has a way to go when compared to some of the bigger names in the game (Germany included).......no inferiority complex there......that's just the truth.
A match is won or lost on the field, so at the end of the day, until we go toe to toe with Germany, or any team for that matter, it's all speculation. Could we possibly upset them on our day ? stranger things have happened.........but the reason it would be considered an upset in the first place, is because their game is significantly better than ours (historically and currently)......die hard or waggonist, as long as you have some knowledge of football, and you watched the game yesterday, you should agree with that.
Don't look at it as disrespectful to the Warriors.......there's nothing disrespectful about being humble sometimes.
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Saga, you're obviously very emotional about the topic. I think the slave analogy is a little off in this instance. Alot can be said of a nation's esteem and pride and it's relationship to history etc....alot that is relevant to Trinidad's society, culture, views & attitudes etc..... but in this case I think Touches was talking from a football perspective only. football vs football Trinidad still has a way to go when compared to some of the bigger names in the game (Germany included).......no inferiority complex there......that's just the truth.
A match is won or lost on the field, so at the end of the day, until we go toe to toe with Germany, or any team for that matter, it's all speculation. Could we possibly upset them on our day ? stranger things have happened.........but the reason it would be considered an upset in the first place, is because their game is significantly better than ours (historically and currently)......die hard or waggonist, as long as you have some knowledge of football, and you watched the game yesterday, you should agree with that.
Don't look at it as disrespectful to the Warriors.......there's nothing disrespectful about being humble sometimes.
-Kicker nicely articulated..at de end of de day everyone have their own opinion yes...no matter how wrong it is..
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men getting confused as to what is optimism .pestimism and reality. fact usa better than us
fact men getting glad and saying we could beat any body alright so what, that is their belief whether it is overboard or head in the cloud syndrome who am i 2 say.
if a greece supporter told u they were going to win euro u woulda laugh till yuh belly buss
if senegal said they were going to beat france ah would steupss then vex that ah waste the time to even steups.
if u told me that the defending champs would get knock out of the world cup without scoring ah woulda tell u about your family tree
if u tell me fulham or middelsborough was going to beat chelsea when they cant beat any other team ah would give u the directions to st anns .
my point is some men gone with the hype and feel stern could win the golden boots but some men are totally at the other extreme is that wat is called reality?
reality is recognising that u team had som weak opponents but the team gradually improving
reality is recognising that your team keeping level heads but dreaming big, after all if u feel u going to lose all your games U R GOING TO LOSE ALL YOUR GAMES.
reality is toying with the idea of beating england but realising a draw is more practical
but before realist believed the earth was flat and that the sun revolved around the earth. men who were considered dreamers
removed these myths
DREAMS R FREE SO DREAM BIG
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I HAVE STAYED AWAY FROM POSTING FOR AWHILE BECAUSE I THOUGHT THERE WAS NO OBJECTIVE THOUGHT ON THE FORUM, JUST AH WHOLE LOT OF NUTS VENDORS AND NORTH SOUTH TAXI DRIVER TALK... BUT TOUCHES AND KICKER HAVE MADE SOME EXCELLENT COMMENTS....
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touches...dat sounding "arsenalish"....lol....say yuh opinion bredder...respect.....and we all know opinions are like assholes....everybody has one".....i jess waiting for the refree whistle on june 10th.......
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Yes,
I glad I raise alyuh pressure........and yuh know I am not surprised. But I jest couldnt take some of the opinions that I was reading in some of the other threads.
Kicker has the art of tact and has articulated my sentiments wonderfully.
The truth may be an offence but not a sin.......... and I find it strange the kinda comments this post has evoked.
I have seen who still have a 89 tabanca, who still shackled in mental slavery, who young and impressionable, who new to this football thing, who does really watch ball and who jest ent know shit about ball.
But is all a love.
I am yet to see a poster who can refute my post or disagree with me with out the name calling, petty put downs or a one line opinion.
Why be upset if using past results, current form, consistency, calibre of players, fifa ranking, common sense and my observation of football at all levels...I have placed our national team at a mediocre level in world football.
If you disagree with me fine.......but try and use the above criteria to change my point of view, rather than ranting and raving and moving off the topic of football.
But Saga lemme ask you a question.......how the slave thing come into this? How we bigging up the white man and shortchanging the black man?
We talking football here breds.
Would you have made that comment if I had said Brazil go cut we arse or Cameroon or Nigeria.........whats your point?
Let me state again for the umpteeth time, I just like all of you here want the warriors do well, I want us to qualify for the second round and yes I have belief in my team that they can do it. I am also hoping we can get 4 points and qualify in second place in the group.
However, for this to become a reality this TT side has to get their act together, they have to train hard, all the players have to be in form and we have to stop making silly mistakes and keep concentration. Our defenders have to keep it tight and our fwds have to capitalise on opportunities.
The days of hard luck and next time and that attitude have to done. The time of who getting the job done best have to prevail and we have to stop being emotional.
Also in anything you do yuh need a test or guage to see where you are at. I was pleased with the Iceland score but not the performance and there are things we can work on. Even our coach said there is work to be done and we must not get carried away.
We have not had a "REAL" test as yet. The biggest test we will have is the Czechs but I woulda rather we get a big game in the earlies like now.......get the cutarse of we life, expose everything now rather than later, and use the time and remaining matches to improve and refine our team and game.
But why all the fuss at self reflection.......we are ranked 49th and it is a fair ranking. I think it is very accurate and if you look at the teams above us really if we were to play a two legged tie with any of these teams would we really come out on top.
Yuh have to creep before yuh walk but alyuh trying to run when yuh cyar even stand up good yet.
I also dont want an embarrassment on the world stage by our team just for me to turn around and say......yuh see what I tell alyuh.
I just want a heart and soul performance and a proper display of football, I ent want us to be a laughing stock or looking jokey like the performance against Bahrain here in POS.
Anyway posters..........Bless
P.S........Men will still fight me down and say I negative for only expecting 4 points and coming second in the group. ;D
But that is just me and my thought process.
As of right now I am stating this and alyuh take note of this............On present form and performance TT will get three cutarse in the World Cup, and watch me I predicting score, 2 from Sweden, 4 from England and 1 from Paraguay.
If we put in the hard work and effort that could change to a 0-0 Sweden, a 1-0 Lorse or draw with England and a 1-0 win vs Paraguay.
But small thing...I go dream like alyuh. We drawing 2 games and beating England 1-0.......courtesy a bullet from "Me Mum"
Last thing to rile up alyuh, I WANT JJLOYD AND ZAMORA on we squad.....Bench Stern and Jack and put either Ince or Warner as the #1 keeper.
I OUT!!!!!
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We still have to prove ourselves in the WC...and I eh crazy to think like Germany and U.S.A. is football skettle...but dis team has grown and matured under Beenie compared to de ones dat played the U.S.A. the last time. Is too bad we cyah play the U.S. in a meaningful match at dis time under Beenie because yuh know we cyah afford to keep him after the WC. It would be a more interesting match up to say the least.
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Big post touches, that draw me out meh self imposed exile.
Is level cutass indeed.
I like the point about how the US plays us at a relaxed pace and have us like fish out of water, yet when germany play them, Germany had them looking like T&T.
We have to start proving ourselves on the occasions for we to start justly talking big.
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Ok Touches you have some valid point, but as supporters ah doh really blame men for thinking we can beat those 2 teams..dat is what supporter are for. What are you saying, if you have a chile in form 3 bright enough to take cxc, you go tell them prepare for failure? nah, you go tell them go out there and give it your all, do your best, you can do it, if you fall short at least you compete with the other form 5s. What happen to "shoot for the moon and if you miss, at least you would be among the stars" I say we can beat whoever we put our mind to beat and if we play good ball we in the mix. We could play hard, now we just have to learn how to play sensible ball. Dais my piece!
Big Up!
well said...
I don't give T&T more than dey due but I still hope.... daz what fans do... and that is the beauty of this site... I could find more trinis who share in my hope and genuinely care bout de team....
Touches... yuh sound like a rel direct and logical fella but a little big talk and sometimes day dreaming ent bad because in the end we all carry the same hope for the team....
respect man... :beermug:
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i understand boss where u comin from wit this post
but as a trini and a warrior i find it hard to say or put in words dat we goin to lose any game against any competition
i think i on d sid eof blind patriotism
but i like ur prediction for second place.............how we doin against group a winners though??
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I was talking to Firebrand after the game and he ask me what I think.
I say we need to watch out because every world cup there is a side (or two) thatends up getting blown out. Yes it was a US 2nd string team but that back four is not much worse than our guys.
Yes we have improved but we are still the country that was getting licks from St. Vincent last year. I can't be like other men hear who guaranteeing that we beating England just because we beat Mexico and Bahrain.
We have the potential to do well in June but that is all potential.
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Well Touches boy!!!! as a scholar myself I could not begin to imagine how you formulate such an incredible anology to say what plenty men feel but not willing to openly say. We want our team to do well "HOPEFULLY"...but men who have a clue know that a monumental task is ahead of us in the WC. Please???how men think we could beat Germany; USA and most of the teams in the WC.
For the people who hate the US team...let me give you some food for thought...we record against them is poor, and their development surpass us a long time ago, thanks to the valuable contributions that many Trinis added to the process. Lincoln Phillips; Alvin Corneal and a host of Trini ballers/coaches help bring the game to a respectable level in the US.
For the man who say Americans don't like soccer...more than 16 million registered players play soccer in the US at the youth level; this is more than most countries in the world. Furthermore, more kids play soccer than any other sport in the US...somebody here like this sport. 80,000 people overflow the Rose Bowl to see the Women's WC final...how many of those you think don't like soccer?
I praying that T&T give a respectable account of themselves, and hope that this opportunity will help propel our teams and young players to new heights.
When the WC start look for me...I'll be waving ah T&T flag; wearing ah Germany jersey with ah USA bandana tie round meh head; and ah backing the MIGHTY BRAZIL!!!
I ENT NO SELLOUT...I love football/soccer.
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Right now as I write this, the Socawarriors ent show me no evidence that they could step up to the level of the other teams in their group to the point where I have full confidence of victory, is jus wishful daydreaming if other men think so.
Mind I said right now, in time they have two big warm ups that could either change my thinking , confirm or even get ohhh sh*t. The games against Chec and Wales will show us if the coach has done enough work of bringing this team to the nex level. Cric Crac.
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The next game will really tell us where we are at. I believe Wales will give us a harder fight and it is opputune time for Bennie tuh run de rejects like glen ( who we all want play) and ince and probably run a new stategy
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That Saga pinto man talk real shit in dat post there. That entire slavery/biggin-up d white man talk is just assness to the highest level.
I can't remember what the exact term is but I think it is along the lines of "verbal diarrhea" aka REAL SHIT.
ANYbody who is honest with himself and seriously watches football would know that we woulda get burn by Germany in that match.
Of course in any game it is 11 v 11 and anything can happen yada yada yada... but come on.
We are not there yet.
I think y'all forgot, WE BEAT BAHRAIN in a playoff to get to the WC...BAHRAIN, world football super pwer! AND we struggled.
We honestly, in my personal experience (24yrs) have never beaten a top flight team with it's entire roster with the exception of Mexico in the '02 campaign.
Every time that we beat a quality team it was because they sent an incomplete squad. Remember that Norway game that had us all celebrating? The Columbia game??
We all want our team to succeed, but that doesn't mean we have to be completely impractical and make asinine comments.
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The next game will really tell us where we are at. I believe Wales will give us a harder fight and it is opputune time for Bennie tuh run de rejects like glen ( who we all want play) and ince and probably run a new stategy
yea ince will get a shot for sure
Glen pace should ensure him a spot
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Touches,
Very good post...from the time I read it I know nuff man will get vex and say you talking $hit. If you weren't posting for a long time, you would have been accused of waggonism and AWATT would have dropped nuff tickets on yuh a$$.
There is a difference between optimism and pure daydreaming/wishful thinking. Right now as I see it is licks from england 4-1 (yorke scoring and having a great game to prove to his former coaches that they made a mistake), losing 2-0 to sweden and drawing 1-1 with paraguay because paraguay was disenchanted from the serious licks they get from england and sweden.
However,deep down these teams will underestimate us, they are all saying they respect us and are not going to take us lightly but at the end of day them thinking we barely beat a $hit team (bahrain) to make it. Also with Beenhakker in charge, some luck, the players being mentally tough, extremely fit and minimizing the silly mistakes, the results can be better.
So my optimistic outlook is ah 3-1 cutarse from England, 0-0 or 1--1 with sweden and ah 1-0 win over paraguay...for ah 3rd place in the group behind England and Sweden.
I hope I am wrong and the team can pull off ah 2nd place andmake the second round. As for the forumites who posting that we getting 7pts and winning the group...please think about France the defending WC champions in the last WC and ask yuhself if we playing in the WC for the first time or are we playing in the Digicel Cup.
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Some very interesting comments however that's your take on the situation.
How you feel about the chairman,administrator, senior professor and dean of the college ? because, you know he always wearing all sorts of different hats hired a very experience teacher with pupils of various levels and a few outstanding ones as well. What about the college staff? What you think about this school?
What percentage of these students will get PHD'S. Your thoughts.