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Sports => Football => Topic started by: Bitter on June 14, 2009, 08:13:12 AM
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Live on ESPN 2 Now
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So Tommy "Onion Bag" Smyth start already, he there talking about how the crowd biggin up Booth.
You can't miss him, he's a mountain of a man.
True Tommy, but I suspect he's easy to pick out because he's the only white player on the field.
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And all of you who on the Gov't case for Haely Crawford field, should watch this.
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To be honest, the SA govt is over their head with this tournament. At least they have a year to go, they canstraighten out the numerous issues still pending. The rest of the stadiums and the area around the stadiums needs lots of worked. Plus they have housing, transport and electricity issues, just to name a few to contend with. But I still pulling for them to succeed. They are determined to succeed, unlike their cousins on the west coast(Nigeria) who seem determined to fail in to effort to host the Youth WC.
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SA just unscore a goal.
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ah feel sorry for da man.. LOL u check out d man Mo Hawk.....
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ah feel sorry for da man.. LOL u check out d man Mo Hawk.....
Where all yuh watching dat? TV 6 announced they showing it at 4 pm... ???
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ah feel sorry for da man.. LOL u check out d man Mo Hawk.....
Where all yuh watching dat? TV 6 announced they showing it at 4 pm... ???
it was live on espn2. Spain playing later.
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Direct TV.. but my Game was in Spanish..
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ah feel sorry for da man.. LOL u check out d man Mo Hawk.....
Where all yuh watching dat? TV 6 announced they showing it at 4 pm... ???
it was live on espn2. Spain playing later.
I have analog cable...ESPN 2 not on that right??
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It should be!!
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saw ESPN2 is showing Italy vs. USA tomorrow night at EST 8pm.
That couldn't possibly be LIVE right?
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saw ESPN2 is showing Italy vs. USA tomorrow night at EST 8pm.
That couldn't possibly be LIVE right?
na...u kno america an dey prime time ting..me thinks it around 2 or half 2 tomorro...forza azzurri
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Good game very open, but dam the pitch look bad.
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watched it on CBCsports.
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NZ getting molested. Torres score 3 inside 20 mins.
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They playing small goal now.
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Nz remind me of TT somewhat. The only thing is they playing Spain, not Mexico. Gol # 4 now.
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Brockie injure himself with that volley?
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Nz remind me of TT somewhat. The only thing is they playing Spain, not Mexico. Gol # 4 now.
I might be biased, but they look much more in a mess than us. Then again, we ain't playing Spain.
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USA Vs Italy- ESPN -2pm
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yuh down 4-0 in de first 27 mins ah de game...wonder what tactics de coach could use now.....
NZ good for about 6...
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who win Iraq vs SA?
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Nz remind me of TT somewhat. The only thing is they playing Spain, not Mexico. Gol # 4 now.
I might be biased, but they look much more in a mess than us. Then again, we ain't playing Spain.
Actually if it was not for the heroics of Ince, we could have been down 4-0 to Mexico in de first 20 mins too...
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Spain looking like they could dispatch 8 on this game..NZ cannot see the light of day....
I use to wonder why Oceania (OFC) would only get .5 places in a WC...I not get meh answer
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Nz remind me of TT somewhat. The only thing is they playing Spain, not Mexico. Gol # 4 now.
I might be biased, but they look much more in a mess than us. Then again, we ain't playing Spain.
Actually if it was not for the heroics of Ince, we could have been down 4-0 to Mexico in de first 20 mins too...
Same could be said for any team. ince didn't do anything out side the ordinary, all he did was what he was suppose tuh do. if that's how you really feel, then we shoulda just play without ah goal keeper?
mexico didn't out play us, i believe the strategy was tuh defend and conserve energy then catch them on the counter attack, same thing beenie did in the WC, and it worked for latas except for the spirit goal that came out of nowhere.
i watch the game twice and i thought we played well, we held back and played cautious, mexico just got lucky. i firmly believe if we have healthy players like whitley , avery, stern, and if they bring in jaggy and roberts with any luck ah jlloyd, and put in phillips for ince, i believe we would beat any team in the hex.
i looking for us tuh pull ah jamaica, i belive we could win all the remaining games with the 2 months we have tuh prepare.
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Nz remind me of TT somewhat. The only thing is they playing Spain, not Mexico. Gol # 4 now.
I might be biased, but they look much more in a mess than us. Then again, we ain't playing Spain.
Actually if it was not for the heroics of Ince, we could have been down 4-0 to Mexico in de first 20 mins too...
Same could be said for any team. ince didn't do anything out side the ordinary, all he did was what he was suppose tuh do. if that's how you really feel, then we shoulda just play without ah goal keeper?
mexico didn't out play us, i believe the strategy was tuh defend and conserve energy then catch them on the counter attack, same thing beenie did in the WC, and it worked for latas except for the spirit goal that came out of nowhere.
i watch the game twice and i thought we played well, we held back and played cautious, mexico just got lucky. i firmly believe if we have healthy players like whitley , avery, stern, and if they bring in jaggy and roberts with any luck ah jlloyd, and put in phillips for ince, i believe we would beat any team in the hex.
i looking for us tuh pull ah jamaica, i belive we could win all the remaining games with the 2 months we have tuh prepare.
really? buh i don't usually get optimistic vibes from your posts so for once i applaud you for your belief...
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Nz remind me of TT somewhat. The only thing is they playing Spain, not Mexico. Gol # 4 now.
I might be biased, but they look much more in a mess than us. Then again, we ain't playing Spain.
Actually if it was not for the heroics of Ince, we could have been down 4-0 to Mexico in de first 20 mins too...
Same could be said for any team. ince didn't do anything out side the ordinary, all he did was what he was suppose tuh do. if that's how you really feel, then we shoulda just play without ah goal keeper?
mexico didn't out play us, i believe the strategy was tuh defend and conserve energy then catch them on the counter attack, same thing beenie did in the WC, and it worked for latas except for the spirit goal that came out of nowhere.
i watch the game twice and i thought we played well, we held back and played cautious, mexico just got lucky. i firmly believe if we have healthy players like whitley , avery, stern, and if they bring in jaggy and roberts with any luck ah jlloyd, and put in phillips for ince, i believe we would beat any team in the hex.
i looking for us tuh pull ah jamaica, i belive we could win all the remaining games with the 2 months we have tuh prepare.
Not sure why you are constantly downplaying Ince's role/performance on the field.
I disagree with your assesment of the game but then again I am not a coach so my opinion counts for nada...
Roberts should get a look for future games because I beleive his hustle and fight maybe 2nd to only Birchall on the team...
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yuh down 4-0 in de first 27 mins ah de game...wonder what tactics de coach could use now.....
NZ good for about 6...
Tactical adjustment in the game don't matter. The coach cannot make men do anything.
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yuh down 4-0 in de first 27 mins ah de game...wonder what tactics de coach could use now.....
NZ good for about 6...
Tactical adjustment in the game don't matter. The coach cannot make men do anything.
Dah excuse apply to anton?
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Organizers have no plans to lower ticket prices
By Chris Lehourites, AP Sports Writer
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/soccer/2009-06-15-187456443_x.htm
JOHANNESBURG — Despite a half-empty stadium for Spain's win over New Zealand on the opening day of the Confederations Cup, organizers said Monday they had no plans to lower ticket prices to give poor South Africans a better chance of attending a match.
Spain beat New Zealand 5-0 at the Royal Bafokeng stadium in Rustenburg, but only 21,649 fans were there to watch at the 42,000-seat venue.
"The South African nation's job is to host the event, not attend it," said Rich Mkhondo, the 2010 World Cup organizing committee spokesman. "You can take the horse to the water, but you can't force it to drink that water."
Outside the financial capital, many poor South Africans struggle to afford tickets, which range from $10 to as high as $200 for the final.
"There might be some lower attendances for some games," FIFA spokesman Nicolas Maingot said. "This is actually not, I would say, a first in a FIFA competition. But probably we must look also at the wider picture and look at the ticketing situation when we come closer to the end of the tournament."
The opening match at Ellis Park in Johannesburg was close to a sellout, with nearly 50,000 people watching the hosts play out a 0-0 draw against Iraq. FIFA said before the World Cup warm-up tournament started that 71 percent of the 640,000 tickets had been sold for the 16 matches.
"I'm honestly not aware of any plans to change the prices of the tickets," Maingot said.
Mkhondo said the organizing committee and FIFA have been holding talks on the matter of attendance.
"Even if FIFA does do that, what guarantee do we have that 100,000 people will turn up?" Mkhondo said.
Many fans did show up for South Africa's first match at Ellis Park, but much of the stadium during the opening ceremony was empty in part due to transport problems -- one of the country's main concerns a year ahead of the World Cup.
Mkhondo said many fans parked their cars at designated areas well before the start of the opening ceremony but found it difficult to get shuttle buses to the stadium.
"This is a new experience for some of us and for many South Africans, and we've always emphasized that people must come to the park-and-ride facility hours before because there may be some gridlock," Mkhondo said.
Still, both FIFA and the local organizing committee were pleased with the opening ceremony and the rest of the day's proceedings.
"We're not saying everything was perfect," Mkhondo said. "But we're just happy about the way things were."
Copyright 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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Organizers have no plans to lower ticket prices
By Chris Lehourites, AP Sports Writer
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/soccer/2009-06-15-187456443_x.htm
JOHANNESBURG — Despite a half-empty stadium for Spain's win over New Zealand on the opening day of the Confederations Cup, organizers said Monday they had no plans to lower ticket prices to give poor South Africans a better chance of attending a match.
Spain beat New Zealand 5-0 at the Royal Bafokeng stadium in Rustenburg, but only 21,649 fans were there to watch at the 42,000-seat venue.
"The South African nation's job is to host the event, not attend it," said Rich Mkhondo, the 2010 World Cup organizing committee spokesman. "You can take the horse to the water, but you can't force it to drink that water."
Outside the financial capital, many poor South Africans struggle to afford tickets, which range from $10 to as high as $200 for the final.
"There might be some lower attendances for some games," FIFA spokesman Nicolas Maingot said. "This is actually not, I would say, a first in a FIFA competition. But probably we must look also at the wider picture and look at the ticketing situation when we come closer to the end of the tournament."
The opening match at Ellis Park in Johannesburg was close to a sellout, with nearly 50,000 people watching the hosts play out a 0-0 draw against Iraq. FIFA said before the World Cup warm-up tournament started that 71 percent of the 640,000 tickets had been sold for the 16 matches.
"I'm honestly not aware of any plans to change the prices of the tickets," Maingot said.
Mkhondo said the organizing committee and FIFA have been holding talks on the matter of attendance.
"Even if FIFA does do that, what guarantee do we have that 100,000 people will turn up?" Mkhondo said.
Many fans did show up for South Africa's first match at Ellis Park, but much of the stadium during the opening ceremony was empty in part due to transport problems -- one of the country's main concerns a year ahead of the World Cup.
Mkhondo said many fans parked their cars at designated areas well before the start of the opening ceremony but found it difficult to get shuttle buses to the stadium.
"This is a new experience for some of us and for many South Africans, and we've always emphasized that people must come to the park-and-ride facility hours before because there may be some gridlock," Mkhondo said.
Still, both FIFA and the local organizing committee were pleased with the opening ceremony and the rest of the day's proceedings.
"We're not saying everything was perfect," Mkhondo said. "But we're just happy about the way things were."
Copyright 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
It sounds like the WICB organise this.
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brazil v egypt on espn now
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kaka strike in de 5th.
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egypt pull one back,zidan in de 9th.
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this turnin out to be ah intercol game,fabiano in de 11th.2-1 brazil.
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I'm actually feeling sorry for the US. In a group with Brail, Italy and Egypt.
Sad.
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I'm actually feeling sorry for the US. In a group with Brail, Italy and Egypt.
Sad.
Doh feel sad for de USA, feel sad for we under 20 team who in de same group similar to de current US team, we also group with Italy, Egypt and Paraguay and Anton Corneal is assistant coach.
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I'm actually feeling sorry for the US. In a group with Brail, Italy and Egypt.
Sad.
sorry,is pressure in they ass. :devil:
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juan in de 37th.3-1 brazil.
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I'm actually feeling sorry for the US. In a group with Brail, Italy and Egypt.
Sad.
Doh feel sad for de USA, feel sad for we under 20 team who in de same group similar to de current US team, we also group with Italy, Egypt and Paraguay and Anton Corneal is assistant coach.
:rotfl: :rotfl:
Usa will not be embarrassed...they will hold their own.
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Waaaaaaay!
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I'm actually feeling sorry for the US. In a group with Brail, Italy and Egypt.
Sad.
Doh feel sad for de USA, feel sad for we under 20 team who in de same group similar to de current US team, we also group with Italy, Egypt and Paraguay and Anton Corneal is assistant coach.
:rotfl: :rotfl:
Usa will not be embarrassed...they will hold their own.
Yuh could say de same ting for us with confidence?
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de pharoahs score 2 in ah minute oui.
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de pharoahs score 2 in ah minute oui.
I swear it was a replay of the second goal dey was playing, not knowing Egypt had scored a third so quick.
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Egypt 3- Brazil 3. Brazil playing like TT now.
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de pharoahs score 2 in ah minute oui.
I swear it was a replay of the second goal dey was playing, not knowing Egypt had scored a third so quick.
identical eh.
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Egypt 3- Brazil 3. Brazil playing like TT now.
and egypt playin damn good.
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Football Fader. Pure joy to watch :applause: :applause:
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Football Fader. Pure joy to watch :applause: :applause:
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Rel pressure fuh Brazil boy, way!
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egypt makin brazil look mediocre.......rippin stuff.
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steups, this is ah real tease for ah man in wuk that cyah watch it unfold.
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steups, this is ah real tease for ah man in wuk that cyah watch it unfold.
ent!
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Dem Brazilian eating beat sah. Egypt showing how difficult it is to play against players who have the ability and willingness to take on players, especially through midfield
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I'm actually feeling sorry for the US. In a group with Brail, Italy and Egypt.
Sad.
Don't feel sorry for the US because they coming out of this tournament better than they went in, they know they may not win anything but it will help them with this second rounds of the Hex coming up,what we have to look at is what's more important,i wish we can say something about T&T,what we doing?
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Sucks, but it really was a hand ball. And he tried to fake too.
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TT should borrow the Egyptian uniform. It may work for us next game
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penalty in de 88.kaka make it 4-3
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Brazil got away by the skin of their teeth. Ah hope they know they have to come better than that.
Egypt played rel good.
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great show by egypt.no wonder they are de african champs.brazil lucky.
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i going and put down a punt on an african team to win the 2010 world cup..
going with either ivory coast or egypt..
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The Pharoahs playing good football. Also pride and determination. Great match.
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i going and put down a punt on an african team to win the 2010 world cup..
going with either ivory coast or egypt..
bro they need to qualify first! Egypt struggling in the qualification
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i going and put down a punt on an african team to win the 2010 world cup..
going with either ivory coast or egypt..
bro they need to qualify first! Egypt struggling in the qualification
yeah, well i waiting on the draw to to see who in what group anyway.. lewwe see what happen.
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Egypt eh no joke. And Brazil is a little bit of a Jekyll and Hyde team. Brazil also always starts this tournament slow. I remember them failing to get out of the first round 2 editions ago and I also remember Mexico mannersing them 4 years ago in the opener. But by the end of the last tournament dey was humbling Germany and hitting Argentina for 4. We'll see if this team could build momentum like that..or if they eh able. This will be a good tournament. The Brazil, USA, Italy, Egypt group is going to be serious. Don't watch the US slight either...every game in this group will be tough. Still hoping for Brazil and Egypt to go through
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lookin for a juventus victory in this one...easy..
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any1 has an english comm justin tv link? sportsmax blocked and i not waiting till 10 to watch this on tv6 lol
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usa 1 - italy 0. usa with 10 men (ricardo clarke sent off).
altidore draws a penalty. donovan converts.
chiellini at fault.
HT.
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great show by egypt.no wonder they are de african champs.brazil lucky.
how brazil lucky, when an egyptian handle the ball on the goal line?
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usa 1 - italy 0. usa with 10 men (ricardo clarke sent off).
altidore draws a penalty. donovan converts.
chiellini at fault.
HT.
We like the rest of the world don't appreciate America football and doh take them seriously.But I'm saying America is a big side in World football and who doh hear will feel.It is time to start appreciating American soccer.Hopefully we can learn a ting or two from them.
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usa 1 - italy 0. usa with 10 men (ricardo clarke sent off).
altidore draws a penalty. donovan converts.
chiellini at fault.
HT.
That USA goal came after Clarke was sent off.
great show by egypt.no wonder they are de african champs.brazil lucky.
how brazil lucky, when an egyptian handle the ball on the goal line?
That's how it is when men don't like a side. Brazil lucky the defender stopped the ball from going in with his hand rather than his head I guess.
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usa 1 - italy 0. usa with 10 men (ricardo clarke sent off).
altidore draws a penalty. donovan converts.
chiellini at fault.
HT.
That USA goal came after Clarke was sent off.
correct. just before the PK, italy had a goal waved off - usa defender boots the ball past howard with camaronesi offside by a little. ref disallows the own-goal.
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what a goal by rossi!
1-1 now
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Another kid USA wanted to naturalized . Rossi :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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??? I'm watching this USA game and I can't believe this SH!T forward Altidore ran rings around our team...really really sad!!!
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Another kid USA wanted to naturalized . Rossi :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Naturalized? He was born there.
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Another kid USA wanted to naturalized . Rossi :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Naturalized? He was born there.
yea but the usa wanted him to give up his italian citizenship
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2-1
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3-1 now next goal by rossi
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3-1 Italy
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Rossi again
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Another kid USA wanted to naturalized . Rossi :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Naturalized? He was born there.
yea but the usa wanted him to give up his italian citizenship
He was Born in New Jersey and at age 13 went to Italy with his dad.
Rossi scored in the the 58 and 91st min. vs the U.S.A today
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??? I'm watching this USA game and I can't believe this SH!T forward Altidore ran rings around our team...really really sad!!!
steups...says a lot about us bro
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G. Rossi with a double and D.D. Rossi with the other.
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Another kid USA wanted to naturalized . Rossi :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Naturalized? He was born there.
yea but the usa wanted him to give up his italian citizenship
no they didn't. he was eligible for the US and Italy. US would be stupid if they weren't interested.
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??? I'm watching this USA game and I can't believe this SH!T forward Altidore ran rings around our team...really really sad!!!
why woud anyone want to compare us to world champions Italy?
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to the KJ haters, look at egypt's first goal. if that was tnt that ball woulda never reach KJ , that just d fact
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Egypt lodge protest over alleged "video evidence"
Soccernet.com
A furious Egypt have lodged an official protest against Brazil's winning penalty at the end of a thrilling 4-3 Confederations Cup match.
Referee Howard Webb and his assistant both signalled for a corner after Ahmed Al Muhamadi stopped a shot on his goal line with his arm. But Webb eventually produced the red card and pointed to the spot after the intervention of the fourth official.
Egypt believe the fourth official used a television replay to advise the referee to change his decision, which goes against FIFA regulations.
Egypt assistant coach Gharib Chawki freely admitted that the decision was correct and Al Muhamadi, who went down clutching his face in a bid to fool the officials, should have been sent off but that it shouldn't have been based upon the use of technology.
"As far as I am aware there is no rule allowing video evidence," Chawki said. "We're not contesting the referee's decision but the way it was made. Or maybe the rules have changed and nobody has told us.
"Since when do the regulations say there is a penalty which is not blown by the referee? It took three minutes to change the decision while the player was being treated.
"The decision was changed after a statement by the fourth official, after watching the monitor, that it should be a penalty.
"We just want to know. We don't object to the decision itself."
Brazilian coach Dunga dismissed the matter as "Egypt's problem, not ours".
"He made the right decision," Dunga said.
Al Muhamadi was sent off by Webb before Kaka converted the penalty to win the match.
Samir Zaher, the president of the Egyptian Football Association, was also flabbergasted by the events which took place in the final minute of normal time.
"We will not protest against the penalty being awarded because that was the right decision, but the referee did not give the decision immediately - he gave a corner. Then he waited two or three minutes and showed the red card and awarded the penalty.
"Why did he change his mind? Because the fourth official told him what had happened, that is why and he had missed it."
The incident revived discussion on the controversial sending-off of French midfielder Zinedine Zidane in the 2006 World Cup final for head-butting Italian defender Marco Materazzi when the ball was at the other end of the field.
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great show by egypt.no wonder they are de african champs.brazil lucky.
how brazil lucky, when an egyptian handle the ball on the goal line?
yuh hear me say anyting bout penalty in this statement.brazil lucky they win this.
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see i was wondering about that decision in the Brazil game. It seemed that the decision was made that it was a corner and then the ref looked at the big screen and changed his mind.
I thought in tournaments the people running the screen were not allowed to show replays of contentious decisions.
edit: I now seeing they said it was the fourth official...but my question still remains if the ref cud look at a big screen for a replay?
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??? I'm watching this USA game and I can't believe this SH!T forward Altidore ran rings around our team...really really sad!!!
why woud anyone want to compare us to world champions Italy?
Nobody eh comparing us to Italy...look at the post again ...Altidore is a SH!T forward he cah trap, loses the ball , no shot...but yet he ran circles around us ...conclusion???...we had a SH!T defence on the field that day...nuthin new being said there...just a sad note about our defence !!!
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...Altidore is a SH!T forward he cah trap, loses the ball , no shot...but yet he ran circles around us
You comparing Altidore to KJ now? :devil:
That is just how man does describe KJ play. Maybe if KJ play against T&T we'll see how good he could be.
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Egypt lodge protest over alleged "video evidence"
Soccernet.com
Brazilian coach Dunga dismissed the matter as "Egypt's problem, not ours".
What stupid statement to make. His arse is on the line but to say this is absolutely senseless. It is a problem of the footballing world.
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But it was a penalty. Not taking anything away from the Egyptians. They deserved at least a point. They could have won the game also.
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Egypt lodge protest over alleged "video evidence"
Soccernet.com
Brazilian coach Dunga dismissed the matter as "Egypt's problem, not ours".
What stupid statement to make. His arse is on the line but to say this is absolutely senseless. It is a problem of the footballing world.
Nope. He's absolutely right. The right call was made and Brazil should not care, just like Egypt would not give a dam if it went the other way. It's not like the ref made a decision that cheated Egypt out of a rightful draw. Egypt tried to cheat..yuh eh see how the defender drop like he get shot. I for one am glad..not because I am openly a Brazil fan, but because when people cheat they should get caught. FIFA has decisions to make regarding video evidence and what to do about refs who break their rules, but that is FIFA and Egypt's problem. Brazil should be happy and relieved to get the right call. If T&T played the US and we should have won a game cuz the US cheated and the ref missed it...I'd be more than happy if the 4th official came to the rescue and we won the game on a call that we shoud rightfully have. It opens questions, but that is an off the field matter now. The right decision was made.
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??? I'm watching this USA game and I can't believe this SH!T forward Altidore ran rings around our team...really really sad!!!
why woud anyone want to compare us to world champions Italy?
Nobody eh comparing us to Italy...look at the post again ...Altidore is a SH!T forward he cah trap, loses the ball , no shot...but yet he ran circles around us ...conclusion???...we had a SH!T defence on the field that day...nuthin new being said there...just a sad note about our defence !!!
well you mentioned our team, so is you who introduce the idea of cause and effect, and so I am just doing the same. If you only wanted to say the man was shite, pure and simple, there is no need to mention T&T. But you saying he is shite but look good against our defense. no? If his looking good has something to do with our defense, it stands to reason his looking shite may have something to do with Italy. That was all I was saying. In any case, de youth have good technique..maybe it was a bad game. Maybe his form fall off. Maybe he eh ready for that level of ball..but I wouldn't judge him off one game.
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usa 1 - italy 0. usa with 10 men (ricardo clarke sent off).
altidore draws a penalty. donovan converts.
chiellini at fault.
HT.
We like the rest of the world don't appreciate America football and doh take them seriously.But I'm saying America is a big side in World football and who doh hear will feel.It is time to start appreciating American soccer.Hopefully we can learn a ting or two from them.
As you were saying...?
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Egypt lodge protest over alleged "video evidence"
Soccernet.com
Brazilian coach Dunga dismissed the matter as "Egypt's problem, not ours".
What stupid statement to make. His arse is on the line but to say this is absolutely senseless. It is a problem of the footballing world.
Nope. He's absolutely right. The right call was made and Brazil should not care, just like Egypt would not give a dam if it went the other way. It's not like the ref made a decision that cheated Egypt out of a rightful draw. Egypt tried to cheat..yuh eh see how the defender drop like he get shot. I for one am glad..not because I am openly a Brazil fan, but because when people cheat they should get caught. FIFA has decisions to make regarding video evidence and what to do about refs who break their rules, but that is FIFA and Egypt's problem. Brazil should be happy and relieved to get the right call. If T&T played the US and we should have won a game cuz the US cheated and the ref missed it...I'd be more than happy if the 4th official came to the rescue and we won the game on a call that we shoud rightfully have. It opens questions, but that is an off the field matter now. The right decision was made.
Well said, Filho. Cosign word for word.
??? I'm watching this USA game and I can't believe this SH!T forward Altidore ran rings around our team...really really sad!!!
why woud anyone want to compare us to world champions Italy?
Nobody eh comparing us to Italy...look at the post again ...Altidore is a SH!T forward he cah trap, loses the ball , no shot...but yet he ran circles around us ...conclusion???...we had a SH!T defence on the field that day...nuthin new being said there...just a sad note about our defence !!!
well you mentioned our team, so is you who introduce the idea of cause and effect, and so I am just doing the same. If you only wanted to say the man was shite, pure and simple, there is no need to mention T&T. But you saying he is shite but look good against our defense. no? If his looking good has something to do with our defense, it stands to reason his looking shite may have something to do with Italy. That was all I was saying. In any case, de youth have good technique..maybe it was a bad game. Maybe his form fall off. Maybe he eh ready for that level of ball..but I wouldn't judge him off one game.
Agree with everyting you say here, too, except, I think he's overrated but not off one game.
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yea but the usa wanted him to give up his italian citizenship
You need to improve your research.
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Short-handed U.S. runs out of steam against Italy
It's safe to say that angst, hand-wringing, and gnashing of teeth weren't originally on the itinerary of the U.S. men's national team when the squad left for the Confederations Cup last week. But in the wake of its 3-1 loss to Italy on Monday, all three elements are now present in abundance, as a game effort from the Americans wasn't enough to overcome a dubious red card to U.S. midfielder Ricardo Clark as well as two goals from Italy's U.S.-born forward, Giuseppe Rossi.
Was Clark's ejection questionable? Let's just say that there are works of fiction with more basis in fact than the U.S. midfielder's 33rd-minute dismissal. Yes, Clark deserved to be cautioned for his knee-high tackle on Italy's Gennaro Gattuso, and it was a completely unnecessary foul at that, coming as it did in the middle third of the field. But some other rugged fouls didn't even merit a booking from referee Pablo Pozo, and his decision to send off Clark defies belief.
(continue) (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=655083&sec=us&root=us&cc=5739)
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Altidore is a SH!T forward he cah trap, loses the ball , no shot...but yet he ran circles around us
Altidore's wicked cut move that burned your big, goofy giraffe of a central defender for the 2nd goal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yPDFaB2j7I) also sold Chiellini, one of the top central defenders in Europe.
So don't feel so bad.
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I see the US game and I dont know how some men could say Altidore is shit....... the yute have skills? Some of allyuh jus biase. In second half he fizzle out , but he is a good player.
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oh my god!
just saw the italian goals
effin bullets!
if that was TnT playing, i'd expect nothing less than 5 from the italians
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I see the US game and I dont know how some men could say Altidore is shit....... the yute have skills? Some of allyuh jus biase. In second half he fizzle out , but he is a good player.
Ras yuh done know is all kinda man does be on here, men if yuh meet dem in real life and hear dem talk yuh go be asking quizzically, 'he's ah kinda c&^t or wha?"
so allow dem fellahs to call ah 19-year wha playing for de US National team/Red Bulls/Villarreal/Xerez ah shithound, dem know best...
Jozy Altidore has set a number of records in his YOUNG career.
-Youngest player to score in Major League Soccer Play-offs.
-Youngest American to score in their first international start.
-Youngest American to score in a World Cup Qualifier.
-Youngest American to score a hat trick in World Cup Qualifier.
-First US International to score in Spain's La Liga
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I see the US game and I dont know how some men could say Altidore is shit....... the yute have skills? Some of allyuh jus biase. In second half he fizzle out , but he is a good player.
Ent? He good enough to buss we net 3 times, that is all that matters.
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Jozy is a good player- and he's 19 let's not forget. His touch was a bit hard yesterday... not sure if it's always like that, but I'll take a 19 year old striker mixing it up with the World Champs and holding his own over anything we have in our Nat'l roster.
The U.S. played ok- solid & organized but they didn't create enough to contest the game- I felt like the Italians were always in control of the match. Altidore took a dive for the PK but I guess they deserved it following the very very harsh red card.
Brazil didn't look fluid but somehow yuh knew they would find a way to win that game- Brazil knows how to win even when they don't play well...it's been a mantra of theirs for a while- they score more goals than the opposition and that's the over-arching fundamental of the game- they also know how to lift/adjust their performances when needed to...part of what makes them one of the best in the game. A Brazil-Spain final would be a dream matchup.
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I find Altidore good.I don't even like American players.
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In my opinion USA played with alot of heart and character yesterday. They went down a man with the sending off of Clark and rightfully so but they stuck in there and thats what good teams do. In the end they ran out of stream but credit to Italy, they played decent. Technically we witness how well organized USA team is and although they deserved to be in the Confeds, I would of rather seen Costa Rica or TNT in there instead.
Lucky Italians this time, well taken penalty Dono! Rossi the backstabber, we feed this kid and he come back to bite we in the @ss
Oh and btw WTF EGYPT... SORE LOSERS MUCH? IT WAS A HAND BALL, END OF DISCUSSION.
LOL @! South Africa.. I never saw someone UNSCORE AH GOAL LOOLOL! CLASSIC EPIC!
And SPAIN LOOOKIN REL HARD EH FELLAS... Italy vs Spain = Dream final. Brazil there to make the numbers.
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Rossi's gamble starts to pay off in South Africa
http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/9688898/Rossi%27s-gamble-starts-to-pay-off-in-South-Africa (http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/9688898/Rossi%27s-gamble-starts-to-pay-off-in-South-Africa)
Four years ago, then-United States coach Bruce Arena offered the talented New Jersey-born striker a chance to play at the 2006 World Cup. Most teenagers would have jumped at the opportunity.
Not Rossi.
Born to Italian immigrants, Rossi always had his eyes set on playing for the national team of his parents and ancestors.
"It was tough to say no to an offer like that, especially when you're only 18 and they're offering you a chance to play in the World Cup," Rossi said Tuesday, a day after coming off the bench and scoring two goals for Italy in a 3-1 win over the 10-man United States.
"But ever since I was little I watched this team and it was my dream to play for Italy. Thank God it's all working out."
Rossi was born in Teaneck and grew up in Clifton, New Jersey. He left the United States 10 years ago to join Parma's youth system.
"The move was very, very tough for my family, my mom, my sister. I was only 12," Rossi said. "It was a big step for me to go to Italy, but I needed to in order to develop as a player. The soccer in Italy is the best in the world. I grew tremendously in those five years."
When he was 18, Rossi received an offer to move to Manchester United.
"The three years I spent with United was the first time I played with the first team and great players," Rossi said, alternating with ease between Italian and English. "It was a great learning experience for me."
After a stint at Newcastle, and then back to Parma, Rossi has become a standout with Villarreal in Spain, and he led all scorers at the Beijing Olympics with four goals with Italy's under-23 team.
Despite all his travels, Rossi still has deep ties to the United States, and he speaks English more naturally than Italian.
"For me, the U.S. is home," he said. "I was born there and I have my family there, but when I lived in Italy for five or six years I grew as a man and a player, so Italy is a big part of me, too."
After his opening goal Monday, Rossi's celebration was a linguistic mixture that mirrored his career.
"I was thinking in Italian but then a 'Vamos' came out and then a 'Let's Go,"' Rossi said, laughing about it. "I don't know what happened."
Yet Rossi knows exactly how he scored, blasting in a shot from 30 meters (yards) on his first touch of the game and living up to his nickname of "Joe Cool" from the Italian media.
"That's part of my nature," he said, smiling as he grew accustomed to the media spotlight. "When I go out onto the field I do what's needed for the team. The ball was there and I took it and got a shot off."
Rossi's second goal came late in injury time, following a set up from Andrea Pirlo, boosting his tally to three goals in just six appearances for the Azzurri. His national team debut came in October, and his first goal earlier this month in a friendly against Northern Ireland.
"He already had unbelievable talent when we played together on the under-21 team," midfielder Riccardo Montolivo said. "You could tell he had something extra. He really plays at a high level."
Italians look at Rossi's choice to work his way up through Italy's system, when he could have been the scorer the United States has sought for years, as an instance of his American audacity.
"That is part of my mentality," Rossi said. "When I want something I try to achieve it. For now, things are going well, but I don't want it to end here. I always want more."
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In my opinion USA played with alot of heart and character yesterday. They went down a man with the sending off of Clark and rightfully so but they stuck in there and thats what good teams do. In the end they ran out of stream but credit to Italy, they played decent. Technically we witness how well organized USA team is and although they deserved to be in the Confeds, I would of rather seen Costa Rica or TNT in there instead.
Lucky Italians this time, well taken penalty Dono! Rossi the backstabber, we feed this kid and he come back to bite we in the @ss
Oh and btw WTF EGYPT... SORE LOSERS MUCH? IT WAS A HAND BALL, END OF DISCUSSION.
LOL @! South Africa.. I never saw someone UNSCORE AH GOAL LOOLOL! CLASSIC EPIC!
And SPAIN LOOOKIN REL HARD EH FELLAS... Italy vs Spain = Dream final. Brazil there to make the numbers.
Rossi a backstabber?
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look the whole USA-italy game for download here.
http://www.irfree.com/2009/06/16/italy-vs-usa-pdtv-xvid-irfree/
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Altidore took a dive for the PK but I guess they deserved it following the very very harsh red card
He exaggerated going down, but the foul was there. Chiellini took out his legs and grabbed his upper body, too.
A clear PK.
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see i was wondering about that decision in the Brazil game. It seemed that the decision was made that it was a corner and then the ref looked at the big screen and changed his mind.
I thought in tournaments the people running the screen were not allowed to show replays of contentious decisions.
edit: I now seeing they said it was the fourth official...but my question still remains if the ref cud look at a big screen for a replay?
The rumour is that although FIFA has said no to replays for refs, they have been in use for some time and the headsets are not just for communication between refs and assistants, but that there is a person in a booth reviewing plays. I have heard football people say that there must be something going on because there are more and more decisions where the ref waits or appears to reverse his original decision.
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The rumour is that although FIFA has said no to replays for refs, they have been in use for some time and the headsets are not just for communication between refs and assistants, but that there is a person in a booth reviewing plays. I have heard football people say that there must be something going on because there are more and more decisions where the ref waits or appears to reverse his original decision.
Isn't it also being claimed that they viewed the replay on the jumbotron screen inside the stadium?
I thought I read that somewhere...
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Altidore took a dive for the PK but I guess they deserved it following the very very harsh red card
He exaggerated going down, but the foul was there. Chiellini took out his legs and grabbed his upper body, too.
A clear PK.
Not doubting that there was some obstruction and some contact- Chiellini swung late and his leg made contact (hardly obstructive contact) with Altidore's almost an entire second ;D before Altidore flopped went to groud...and there was barely a "grab" of the upper body..... "took out his legs and grabbed his upper body" is a bit dramatic for what took place on the Altidore penalty shout...Take a look at it again and try to be neutral/objective
http://www.youtube.com/v/9ZWenHaFg9U
I've seen refs not call those (especially if they detect added antics such as Jozy's) and life go on without too much fuss beyond frustrated arms thrown in the air before the forward gets up and gets on with it....not begrudging the call but one could argue there was a little sympathy thrown in there for good measure.
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Not doubting that there was some obstruction and some contact- Chiellini swung late and his leg made contact (hardly obstructive contact) with Altidore's almost an entire second ;D before Altidore flopped went to groud...and there was barely a "grab" of the upper body..... "took out his legs and grabbed his upper body" is a bit dramatic for what took place on the Altidore penalty shout...Take a look at it again and try to be neutral/objective
I've seen refs not call those (especially if they detect added antics such as Jozy's) and life go on without too much fuss beyond frustrated arms thrown in the air before the forward gets up and gets on with it....not begrudging the call but one could argue there was a little sympathy thrown in there for good measure.
Eh eh fella dat is ah legit penalty shout. He did indeed take out JA's legs. Once Jozy cut left Chiellini got his leg which led to him going to ground. In real time no second didn't pass either.
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Altidore took a dive for the PK but I guess they deserved it following the very very harsh red card
He exaggerated going down, but the foul was there. Chiellini took out his legs and grabbed his upper body, too.
A clear PK.
well said, dais how i see it (by chance yuh have a Panasonic Viera, cause dais how it look on mines)....any forward in de world woulda do de same thing...if KJ uncle philbert was watching, he woulda regret not doing the same thing when Windischman (ah think it was) wrap he legs round him on Nov. 19th '89 ;D
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I think altidore made three meals out the contact, but I can't fault the ref for calling it.......Oh well. The Italian response overall was great and the goals they scored were very, very nice. Especially the equalizer!!
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Clark's controversial ejection alters the balance
After having fought a man down for most of the second half in that epic 2006 World Cup match, no one could have blamed the U.S. national team for thinking this was its chance to play world champion Italy on level terms.
But Pablo Pozo had other ideas.
The Chilean referee showed a straight red card to American midfielder Ricardo Clark in the 33rd minute of Monday night's game, leaving the Americans a man short once again, and unbalancing a midfield carefully designed by coach Bob Bradley to interrupt the Italians' playmaking in the middle of the park.
(continue) (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=655093&sec=us&root=us&cc=5739)
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Clark's controversial ejection alters the balance
After having fought a man down for most of the second half in that epic 2006 World Cup match, no one could have blamed the U.S. national team for thinking this was its chance to play world champion Italy on level terms.
But Pablo Pozo had other ideas.
The Chilean referee showed a straight red card to American midfielder Ricardo Clark in the 33rd minute of Monday night's game, leaving the Americans a man short once again, and unbalancing a midfield carefully designed by coach Bob Bradley to interrupt the Italians' playmaking in the middle of the park.
(continue) (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=655093&sec=us&root=us&cc=5739)
steups..
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Not doubting that there was some obstruction and some contact- Chiellini swung late and his leg made contact (hardly obstructive contact) with Altidore's almost an entire second ;D before Altidore flopped went to groud...and there was barely a "grab" of the upper body..... "took out his legs and grabbed his upper body" is a bit dramatic for what took place on the Altidore penalty shout...Take a look at it again and try to be neutral/objective
I've seen refs not call those (especially if they detect added antics such as Jozy's) and life go on without too much fuss beyond frustrated arms thrown in the air before the forward gets up and gets on with it....not begrudging the call but one could argue there was a little sympathy thrown in there for good measure.
Eh eh fella dat is ah legit penalty shout. He did indeed take out JA's legs. Once Jozy cut left Chiellini got his leg which led to him going to ground. In real time no second didn't pass either.
Legitimate penalty. Not a shadow of a doubt.
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Jozy is a good player- and he's 19 let's not forget. His touch was a bit hard yesterday... not sure if it's always like that, but I'll take a 19 year old striker mixing it up with the World Champs and holding his own over anything we have in our Nat'l roster.
The U.S. played ok- solid & organized but they didn't create enough to contest the game- I felt like the Italians were always in control of the match. Altidore took a dive for the PK but I guess they deserved it following the very very harsh red card.
Brazil didn't look fluid but somehow yuh knew they would find a way to win that game- Brazil knows how to win even when they don't play well...it's been a mantra of theirs for a while- they score more goals than the opposition and that's the over-arching fundamental of the game- they also know how to lift/adjust their performances when needed to...part of what makes them one of the best in the game. A Brazil-Spain final would be a dream matchup.
The irony of who the opposition was makes this statement a glaring inclusion. ;D
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juan in de 37th.3-1 brazil.
Here's a player who has Dunga's trust. Silent partner in the project.
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Clark's controversial ejection alters the balance
After having fought a man down for most of the second half in that epic 2006 World Cup match, no one could have blamed the U.S. national team for thinking this was its chance to play world champion Italy on level terms.
But Pablo Pozo had other ideas.
The Chilean referee showed a straight red card to American midfielder Ricardo Clark in the 33rd minute of Monday night's game, leaving the Americans a man short once again, and unbalancing a midfield carefully designed by coach Bob Bradley to interrupt the Italians' playmaking in the middle of the park.
(continue) (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=655093&sec=us&root=us&cc=5739)
steups..
Double fackin steups!! The americans was going to put level cutarse on them unskilled, labouring Italians had it not been for this bungling, no-nothing, anti-american, unpatriotic, Pinochet-loving nobody!
double, triple steups!
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Jozy is a good player- and he's 19 let's not forget. His touch was a bit hard yesterday... not sure if it's always like that, but I'll take a 19 year old striker mixing it up with the World Champs and holding his own over anything we have in our Nat'l roster.
The U.S. played ok- solid & organized but they didn't create enough to contest the game- I felt like the Italians were always in control of the match. Altidore took a dive for the PK but I guess they deserved it following the very very harsh red card.
Brazil didn't look fluid but somehow yuh knew they would find a way to win that game- Brazil knows how to win even when they don't play well...it's been a mantra of theirs for a while- they score more goals than the opposition and that's the over-arching fundamental of the game- they also know how to lift/adjust their performances when needed to...part of what makes them one of the best in the game. A Brazil-Spain final would be a dream matchup.
The irony of who the opposition was makes this statement a glaring inclusion. ;D
True eh ;D
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So we know that Iraq is better than New Zealand.
32 minutes gone, still 0-0
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Oh yeah, one more thing: Harkes! Shut up!
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Oh yeah, one more thing: Harkes! Shut up!
Too late, Bitter. I tried everything POSSIBLE (even consulted with a yoga instructor) to learn how to tune out these blathering, nauseatingly biased americans........to no avail. espn obviously bought the absolute rights to this tournament because I can't find it on ANY of the Spanish channels. Ah trying meh own style of yoga.
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Chow, Try Galavision or pump down the volume!!!!!
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Chow, Try Galavision or pump down the volume!!!!!
Tanx, Deeks.......I had chek the other day but ah didn't see it. Tanx a MILLION!!!!!!!!!!!
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Oh yeah, one more thing: Harkes! Shut up!
Yeah, he's a crap commentator.
But would you guys rather have Caligiuri? ;D
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I could handle the onion bag.
Caliguri and Harkes cyah stick to talking about the game.
Harkes does act like he used to trap every ball and score every shot.
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Egypt lodge protest over alleged "video evidence"
Soccernet.com
Brazilian coach Dunga dismissed the matter as "Egypt's problem, not ours".
What stupid statement to make. His arse is on the line but to say this is absolutely senseless. It is a problem of the footballing world.
Nope. He's absolutely right. The right call was made and Brazil should not care, just like Egypt would not give a dam if it went the other way. It's not like the ref made a decision that cheated Egypt out of a rightful draw. Egypt tried to cheat..yuh eh see how the defender drop like he get shot. I for one am glad..not because I am openly a Brazil fan, but because when people cheat they should get caught. FIFA has decisions to make regarding video evidence and what to do about refs who break their rules, but that is FIFA and Egypt's problem. Brazil should be happy and relieved to get the right call. If T&T played the US and we should have won a game cuz the US cheated and the ref missed it...I'd be more than happy if the 4th official came to the rescue and we won the game on a call that we shoud rightfully have. It opens questions, but that is an off the field matter now. The right decision was made.
You talk real mess they man, what about when it go against you in a crucial game how would you feel then? To say it is not Brazil problem is ignorant. This is something that could cause havoc if it comes to the front that FIFA have been encouraging or turning a blind eye to the 4th official making calls after reviewing media footage for the center ref. Logically I cannot see how some could agree with such a decision. If is the lines man or someone like that then it's fine, but to replay a situation and then change your decision is cheating. There is no use of media to make a decision in football.
If you want all the correct calls made in sports the support American football. The discrepancies and the shortcomings of the ref is what make the game so much more heart stopping.
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If you want all the correct calls made in sports the support American football. The discrepancies and the shortcomings of the ref is what make the game so much more heart stopping.
Brazil seemed to get a dose of good fortune in this case, but that last thing yuh say there is kinda mess...
Exciting football makes the game heartstopping- human shortcomings of the ref can make the result controversial, but blatant attempts to cheat as in the caes of Egypt actually serve to spoil the game if they go unpunished...
When Chelsea was bawling for hand balls & fouls against Barca, ah bet yuh chastise the ref over and over (mind you there was no evidence of cheating by Barca there- just dubious refereeing.... human shortcomings if you will)....now when the correct decision is ultimately made, all of a sudden a cheating side supposed to get away with it because the ref is human, and the game supposed to be heartstopping....steupsssss
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If you want all the correct calls made in sports the support American football. The discrepancies and the shortcomings of the ref is what make the game so much more heart stopping.
Brazil seemed to get a dose of good fortune in this case, but that last thing yuh say there is kinda mess...
Exciting football makes the game heartstopping- human shortcomings of the ref can make the result controversial, but blatant attempts to cheat as in the caes of Egypt actually serve to spoil the game if they go unpunished...
When Chelsea was bawling for hand balls & fouls against Barca, ah bet yuh chastise the ref over and over (mind you there was no evidence of cheating by Barca there- just dubious refereeing.... human shortcomings if you will)....now when the correct decision is ultimately made, all of a sudden a cheating side supposed to get away with it because the ref is human, and the game supposed to be heartstopping....steupsssss
eh darkheart, the point is until FIFA change the laws of the game to make video replay official, then what the referees did was just as much cheating as what the defender did on the goal line. Regardless of what your morals telling yuh, rules is rules..
im not surprised that FIFA turned a blind eye to this one..
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If you want all the correct calls made in sports the support American football. The discrepancies and the shortcomings of the ref is what make the game so much more heart stopping.
Brazil seemed to get a dose of good fortune in this case, but that last thing yuh say there is kinda mess...
Exciting football makes the game heartstopping- human shortcomings of the ref can make the result controversial, but blatant attempts to cheat as in the caes of Egypt actually serve to spoil the game if they go unpunished...
When Chelsea was bawling for hand balls & fouls against Barca, ah bet yuh chastise the ref over and over (mind you there was no evidence of cheating by Barca there- just dubious refereeing.... human shortcomings if you will)....now when the correct decision is ultimately made, all of a sudden a cheating side supposed to get away with it because the ref is human, and the game supposed to be heartstopping....steupsssss
eh darkheart, the point is until FIFA change the laws of the game to make video replay official, then what the referees did was just as much cheating as what the defender did on the goal line. Regardless of what your morals telling yuh, rules is rules..
im not surprised that FIFA turned a blind eye to this one..
For me this is what football is all about (well in terms of excitement), hand of God, etc. Look, we will forever be arguing and debating whether England would have scored if Crouch did not pull Sancho Hair, or the goal in Korea that the USA was denied against Germany. The ref is the man in charge and if he cannot see it then it did not happen. :devil: This is football. The shortcomings, the mystery of was it the right call or did he get it wrong. When it's against you it's heart wrenching, when it's for you it's amazing.
Once anyone steps outside the rules of the game it's cheating and what you endorsing is Robin Hood officiating. Remeber Robin Hood was wanted by the Sherriff of Nottingham.
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eh darkheart, the point is until FIFA change the laws of the game to make video replay official, then what the referees did was just as much cheating as what the defender did on the goal line. Regardless of what your morals telling yuh, rules is rules..
im not surprised that FIFA turned a blind eye to this one..
Hoss I not disagreeing with anything you say- check the first sentence of my post....I start of by saying that Brazil seemed to get a good dose of fortune.... and if Elan used your rationale, de talk woulda done right there...
Dat heart stopping talk though is just garbage, otherwise the Chelsea men (like him) woulda have nuttin' tuh say about the refs performance against Barca because it doh get no more heartstopping than that...
Yuh cannot inconsistently excuse the human nature of the referees.
And regardless of anyone's take on it, the talk is not about whether or not the ref did the right thing, the talk is about what Dunga said, and Dunga is right- it's NOT Brazil's problem. Brazil isn't responsible for the ref or FIFA's rules, Dunga eh beg the ref to use the camera replay (was it even confirmed that that was even done?) and Brazil didn't do anything wrong. The Egyptian player tried to get away with cheating, and the ref "allegedly" broke the FIFA rule to get the call right...and in the end of the day regardless of the means, justice was actually served....so how is that Brazil's problem?
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IT was a deliberate hand ball!!!
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IT was a deliberate hand ball!!!
FIFA say Webb did not use the TV replay... the next linesman tell him what was up due to his unobstructed view.
The protest was rejected.
Point is Egypt cyah prove they use TV replays... and the man frankomen cheat and den on top of that try to fake he way out of it... dey should ban he arse for the next two games!
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IT was a deliberate hand ball!!!
FIFA say Webb did not use the TV replay... the next linesman tell him what was up due to his unobstructed view.
The protest was rejected.
Point is Egypt cyah prove they use TV replays... and the man frankomen cheat and den on top of that try to fake he way out of it... dey should ban he arse for the next two games!
Thank you
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If you want all the correct calls made in sports the support American football. The discrepancies and the shortcomings of the ref is what make the game so much more heart stopping.
Brazil seemed to get a dose of good fortune in this case, but that last thing yuh say there is kinda mess...
Exciting football makes the game heartstopping- human shortcomings of the ref can make the result controversial, but blatant attempts to cheat as in the caes of Egypt actually serve to spoil the game if they go unpunished...
When Chelsea was bawling for hand balls & fouls against Barca, ah bet yuh chastise the ref over and over (mind you there was no evidence of cheating by Barca there- just dubious refereeing.... human shortcomings if you will)....now when the correct decision is ultimately made, all of a sudden a cheating side supposed to get away with it because the ref is human, and the game supposed to be heartstopping....steupsssss
eh darkheart, the point is until FIFA change the laws of the game to make video replay official, then what the referees did was just as much cheating as what the defender did on the goal line. Regardless of what your morals telling yuh, rules is rules..
im not surprised that FIFA turned a blind eye to this one..
For me this is what football is all about (well in terms of excitement), hand of God, etc. Look, we will forever be arguing and debating whether England would have scored if Crouch did not pull Sancho Hair, or the goal in Korea that the USA was denied against Germany. The ref is the man in charge and if he cannot see it then it did not happen. :devil: This is football. The shortcomings, the mystery of was it the right call or did he get it wrong. When it's against you it's heart wrenching, when it's for you it's amazing.
Once anyone steps outside the rules of the game it's cheating and what you endorsing is Robin Hood officiating. Remeber Robin Hood was wanted by the Sherriff of Nottingham.
well i disagree with that to an extent..
i am for retaining the human element, but im also for technology as long as it doesnt interfere with the flow of the game. so i would like to see goal line technology and other "hard data" calls, but im not for the game being stopped to refer to a 'third umpire' to reverse a referee's judgement decision on the field eg. fouls, pk kicks etc.
especially with the stakes today man.. too often these referees getting some simple calls wrong where a split second use of technology could clear up the issue.. it would take off less time than it takes when players crowding the ref to argue the call in any case.
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IT was a deliberate hand ball!!!
FIFA say Webb did not use the TV replay... the next linesman tell him what was up due to his unobstructed view.
The protest was rejected.
Point is Egypt cyah prove they use TV replays... and the man frankomen cheat and den on top of that try to fake he way out of it... dey should ban he arse for the next two games!
i feel FIFA lying, but yuh right Egypt cant prove anything.
too bad my side Italy going and mash dem up good and proper today.
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SA union: Low soccer turnout an embarrassment
Low attendance at Confederations Cup matches are an embarrassment to South Africa, the country’s trade union confederation said Wednesday.
Host South Africa almost filled the Ellis Park stadium in Johannesburg for Sunday’s opening game of the two-week tournament, but the world’s best teams— including Brazil, Spain and Italy—have played to less than full grounds, with some half-full.
“The Congress of South African Trade Unions urgently calls upon South Africans to buy more tickets and attend the Confederations Cup matches in greater numbers,” congress spokesman Patrick Craven said in a statement.
(continue) (http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=ap-confedcup-attendances&prov=ap&type=lgns)
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FIFA to give tickets to people to fill stadiums
FIFA will give away free tickets to soccer fans in South Africa in an attempt to fill the thousands of empty seats at the Confederations Cup.
FIFA spokesman Nicolas Maingot says “there will be a number of complimentary tickets actually handed to institutions, institutions which have been very supportive of the event.”
Maingot did not say how many tickets would be handed out, but he said it will be for some of the remaining group matches. Schools and local authorities will be among the recipients of the free tickets.
(continue) (http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=ap-confedcup-tickets&prov=ap&type=lgns)
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i feel FIFA lying
Why?
Yuh can't say this is the first time yuh see a ref reverse a call after a discussion with an assistant....
If Egypt didn't say anything this woulda just be one of those....
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i feel FIFA lying
Why?
Yuh can't say this is the first time yuh see a ref reverse a call after a discussion with an assistant....
If Egypt didn't say anything this woulda just be one of those....
because the ref signal a corner, the near side assistant signal a corner... then next thing the ref listen to the mike and say wait penalty...
yuh go tell me the other linesman quiiiiite up by the next half see that and call it?
anyway like i said thats just a personal hunch.
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If you want all the correct calls made in sports the support American football. The discrepancies and the shortcomings of the ref is what make the game so much more heart stopping.
Brazil seemed to get a dose of good fortune in this case, but that last thing yuh say there is kinda mess...
Exciting football makes the game heartstopping- human shortcomings of the ref can make the result controversial, but blatant attempts to cheat as in the caes of Egypt actually serve to spoil the game if they go unpunished...
When Chelsea was bawling for hand balls & fouls against Barca, ah bet yuh chastise the ref over and over (mind you there was no evidence of cheating by Barca there- just dubious refereeing.... human shortcomings if you will)....now when the correct decision is ultimately made, all of a sudden a cheating side supposed to get away with it because the ref is human, and the game supposed to be heartstopping....steupsssss
eh darkheart, the point is until FIFA change the laws of the game to make video replay official, then what the referees did was just as much cheating as what the defender did on the goal line. Regardless of what your morals telling yuh, rules is rules..
im not surprised that FIFA turned a blind eye to this one..
For me this is what football is all about (well in terms of excitement), hand of God, etc. Look, we will forever be arguing and debating whether England would have scored if Crouch did not pull Sancho Hair, or the goal in Korea that the USA was denied against Germany. The ref is the man in charge and if he cannot see it then it did not happen. :devil: This is football. The shortcomings, the mystery of was it the right call or did he get it wrong. When it's against you it's heart wrenching, when it's for you it's amazing.
Once anyone steps outside the rules of the game it's cheating and what you endorsing is Robin Hood officiating. Remeber Robin Hood was wanted by the Sherriff of Nottingham.
well i disagree with that to an extent..
i am for retaining the human element, but im also for technology as long as it doesnt interfere with the flow of the game. so i would like to see goal line technology and other "hard data" calls, but im not for the game being stopped to refer to a 'third umpire' to reverse a referee's judgement decision on the field eg. fouls, pk kicks etc.
especially with the stakes today man.. too often these referees getting some simple calls wrong where a split second use of technology could clear up the issue.. it would take off less time than it takes when players crowding the ref to argue the call in any case.
Nah I not into technology. I like how the game is now.
eh darkheart, the point is until FIFA change the laws of the game to make video replay official, then what the referees did was just as much cheating as what the defender did on the goal line. Regardless of what your morals telling yuh, rules is rules..
im not surprised that FIFA turned a blind eye to this one..
Hoss I not disagreeing with anything you say- check the first sentence of my post....I start of by saying that Brazil seemed to get a good dose of fortune.... and if Elan used your rationale, de talk woulda done right there...
Dat heart stopping talk though is just garbage, otherwise the Chelsea men (like him) woulda have nuttin' tuh say about the refs performance against Barca because it doh get no more heartstopping than that...
Yuh cannot inconsistently excuse the human nature of the referees.
And regardless of anyone's take on it, the talk is not about whether or not the ref did the right thing, the talk is about what Dunga said, and Dunga is right- it's NOT Brazil's problem. Brazil isn't responsible for the ref or FIFA's rules, Dunga eh beg the ref to use the camera replay (was it even confirmed that that was even done?) and Brazil didn't do anything wrong. The Egyptian player tried to get away with cheating, and the ref "allegedly" broke the FIFA rule to get the call right...and in the end of the day regardless of the means, justice was actually served....so how is that Brazil's problem?
BUt that's it right there, we (Chelsea fans) felt hard done, but that's the game. The ref is part of the game you have to deal with and with all my complaining and putting down the ref I totally enjoyed that game, the arguments over the non calls or the calls we felt that should not have been made made the game into something different for me. Knowing that the game went perfect or almost perfect because or technology will take a lot out of the game for me as there will leave very littl eof the human element. let stuff like what happen between Brazil and Egypt happen, nothing wrong with that. It creates rivalries, drives passion and leave some in bits and other overflowing. I truly believe with technological introduction into the game the game will lose a lot of appeal. No ne wants to watch the perfect football game.
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In this case, after all the fuss, isn't it better that the officials at least got it right? FIFA don't want to "use technology" at a time when technology is working against that old way of thinking. Fans can instantly see on the stadium screens, the errors and questionable calls on the part of the officials and, if it is that the officiating crew actually did steal an opportunity to break the rules to maintain the status quo (after all, would this tournament be worth 10 rands if the team earning the right to play Spain in the final didn't come down to the winner of the Brazil - Italy group match?) as Omar pointed out, it took less time to correct the call than it took for the Egyptians to get medical care for their fallen comrade who so heroically took a bullet to his arrrrrrrm .............face? in an attempt to save his team a point.
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because the ref signal a corner, the near side assistant signal a corner... then next thing the ref listen to the mike and say wait penalty...
yuh go tell me the other linesman quiiiiite up by the next half see that and call it?
anyway like i said thats just a personal hunch.
I think too that Brazil has a stigma attached to them of being a referee's/FIFA favorite...but I thought the ref changed his call almost immediately- didn't seem like there was much time to set up a slow motion video replay (even to view it over on the big screen) and ponder it etc...Look like whoever instructed the ref did so right after the play and probably had a good view of it...I dunno.
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BUt that's it right there, we (Chelsea fans) felt hard done, but that's the game. The ref is part of the game you have to deal with and with all my complaining and putting down the ref I totally enjoyed that game, the arguments over the non calls or the calls we felt that should not have been made made the game into something different for me. Knowing that the game went perfect or almost perfect because or technology will take a lot out of the game for me as there will leave very littl eof the human element. let stuff like what happen between Brazil and Egypt happen, nothing wrong with that. It creates rivalries, drives passion and leave some in bits and other overflowing. I truly believe with technological introduction into the game the game will lose a lot of appeal. No ne wants to watch the perfect football game.
Well first of all there's no proof that technology played a part in the ref's decision, based on the latest reports- same tiefin' Egypt tief everybody head wid an accusation, and man buyin' it wholesale.
Secondly I'm speculating of course, but if Chelsea had one of those pk shouts turned around in the same manner as Brazil on Monday, I eh think yuh woulda be complaining...In fact I'll go as far as to say yuh woulda be biggin' up technology.
Jus say yuh doh like Brazil nuh ;D
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i like the way S.A. playing.
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the #2 just make an almighty swing and miss...water in he knee ;D
for real tho, the SA vs Spain match go be a good one
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yea SA playin some nice ball...against Spain go be ah nice encounter to watch.....very pleasin to d eye cuz both teams bouncin it rell nice! Pienaar lookin rell lively fuh SA too...he passin on point..rell threadin it! HE go have he work cut out against dah Spanish MF tho....
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dis NZ team jus woeful ras..........
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SA cut-ass book vs Spain. They trying hard to make up goal difference vs New Zealand.
Tomorrow morning the coach need to introduce them to the concept of offside...
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any chance SA looking good cuz they playing NZ :devil:
all kix aside, SA have some nice talent and I want to see them put together a serious run in 2010
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I feel Mashego is a Trini... :devil:
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I feel Mashego is a Trini... :devil:
lol whole day he runnin offside and d one time he onside he throway lol
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d kiwis rell terrible boi....dey have ah nice keeper tho!
but d thing dat hurtin d most is dem hav tuh play against asia for the half spot in d WC...which makes no sense cuz dem cyar beat nobody that decent!!
SO is ah waste...best dem switch with concacaf and play d south americans cuz we hav ah much better chance!! ( and yes ah bias)
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What a display by SA, is really street ball going on. THey really hustled and did not allow NZ any time and space on the ball. Very good application of tactics by SA. It was fun and enjoyable to watch. It remided me of T&t vs Mexico. :devil:
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Hallelujah! There is a God!
Future of noisy trumpet to be discussed by FIFA (http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=reu-confederationstrumpet&prov=reuters&type=lgns")
;D
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Cow Bells anyone?
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Hallelujah! There is a God!
Future of noisy trumpet to be discussed by FIFA (http://"http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=reu-confederationstrumpet&prov=reuters&type=lgns")
;D
A girl I was watching one of the games with asked me why the crowd sounding like a swarm of flies and bees....lol
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Hallelujah! There is a God!
Future of noisy trumpet to be discussed by FIFA (http://"http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=reu-confederationstrumpet&prov=reuters&type=lgns")
;D
You're link is dead...Anyway...
By Mark Gleeson
RUSTENBURG, South Africa, June 17 (Reuters) - FIFA is to discuss the future of the vuvuzela, the noisy plastic trumpet blown at the Confederations Cup which has drawn complaints from European television stations.
FIFA president Sepp Blatter told a media briefing he was aware of complaints the din of the instrument was drowning out the commentary of broadcasters and that they wanted it banned at this tournament and next year’s World Cup in South Africa.
Blatter said soccer’s governing body would discuss the matter with the organisers.
“It’s a local sound and I don’t know how it is possible to stop it,” he said on Wednesday. “I always said that when we go to South Africa, it is Africa. It’s not western Europe.
“It’s noisy, it’s energy, rhythm, music, dance, drums. This is Africa. We have to adapt a little.”
Vuvuzelas, which have been given away free to fans, are a constant background to Confederations Cup games.
Spain midfielder Xabi Alonso said: “I think they should be banned. They make it very difficult for the players to communicate with each other and to concentrate.
“They are a distraction and do nothing for the atmosphere,” he added after his team’s 1-0 win over Iraq.
FIFA general secretary Jerome Valcke said last year the vuvuzela would not be banned unless it was used as a weapon by fighting fans.
Let dem hul dey ARSE! I never see frigging more. Now ah backing South Africa to beat Spain.
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You're link is dead.
Fixed.
Anyway, they sound to me just like those same damn horns that the Mexican fans blow at the Azteca Stadium.
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Vuvuzela, the ultimate 12th man.
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De ICC did legislate de 2007 cricket world cup in de caribbean and what happen? It end up bein de worst world cup in history.
Blatter is right. The World Cup is in Africa. It's a part of South African soccer culture. They didn't just make it up for this tournament. I know for a fact that noise is also prevalent in Mexico and they've had world cups there.
Let dem eurocentric mofo's kerry dey SKONT!
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Those horns might not even be an issue next summer because it could be that there are relatively few South Africans in the stands.
The stadia now are only half-full and the complaint is that ticket prices are well out of spending range for most South Africans. They're starting to give them away just to have a full house. So how are they going to afford World Cup tickets??
Get ready to see the stands full of mostly foreigners next year (and few vuvuzelas).
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Those horns might not even be an issue next summer because it could be that there are relatively few South Africans in the stands.
The stadia now are only half-full and the complaint is that ticket prices are well out of spending range for most South Africans. They're starting to give them away just to have a full house. So how are they going to afford World Cup tickets??
Get ready to see the stands full of mostly foreigners next year (and few vuvuzelas).
No, the South Africans will just be outside the stadia selling them to the same European tourists (who will purchase them for fear of being robbed and violated, especially in Jo'berg! Kinda like how some o' dem does be buying tings off they tourist tour bus in Harlem).
It's amazing what football has come to. As I'm watching these games and hearing all the stadium noise, I was reminded of the atmosphere of the '78 World Cup where them Argentinians were probably just as noisy. xabi alonso need to hush he lil' bitch-ass liverfool self and play football.
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No, the South Africans will just be outside the stadia selling them to the same European tourists (who will purchase them for fear of being robbed and violated, especially in Jo'berg! Kinda like how some o' dem does be buying tings off they tourist tour bus in Harlem).
You can count on the fact that there will be a maximum security atmosphere around all the stadia next summer.
The tourists will feel about as much fear as they would at Disneyland.
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WHERE Y'ALL GETTING TO SEE THESE CONFED CUP GAMES? SOME STARTIN AT 10AM PPL NOT WORKIN OR WHAT?
??? ??? ??? ??? ???
I feel like the only one salting here
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How you gonna tell people how to act in their own home?
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WHERE Y'ALL GETTING TO SEE THESE CONFED CUP GAMES? SOME STARTIN AT 10AM PPL NOT WORKIN OR WHAT?
??? ??? ??? ??? ???
I feel like the only one salting here
Try this.
http://www.atdhe.net/
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WHERE Y'ALL GETTING TO SEE THESE CONFED CUP GAMES? SOME STARTIN AT 10AM PPL NOT WORKIN OR WHAT?
??? ??? ??? ??? ???
I feel like the only one salting here
DVR breds...
If yuh very determined, yuh could close yuh eyes & ears and watch it later as if it's live (that's what I do for Champions' League).
It'll be tough to go an entire day without having the Brazil - USA score leak though (especially if USA pulls off the upset)...
Other than that, find an online feed or run away from the office and watch at a bar.
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No, the South Africans will just be outside the stadia selling them to the same European tourists (who will purchase them for fear of being robbed and violated, especially in Jo'berg! Kinda like how some o' dem does be buying tings off they tourist tour bus in Harlem).
You can count on the fact that there will be a maximum security atmosphere around all the stadia next summer.
The tourists will feel about as much fear as they would at Disneyland.
I know that. apparently I needed to put a smiley :devil: face so you would know I was being facetious...
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WHERE Y'ALL GETTING TO SEE THESE CONFED CUP GAMES? SOME STARTIN AT 10AM PPL NOT WORKIN OR WHAT?
??? ??? ??? ??? ???
I feel like the only one salting here
DVR breds...
If yuh very determined, yuh could close yuh eyes & ears and watch it later as if it's live (that's what I do for Champions' League).
It'll be tough to go an entire day without having the Brazil - USA score leak though (especially if USA pulls off the upset)...
Other than that, find an online feed or run away from the office and watch at a bar.
Man if it was afternoon game maybe, but the fact that iz a morning game real complicating things
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WHERE Y'ALL GETTING TO SEE THESE CONFED CUP GAMES? SOME STARTIN AT 10AM PPL NOT WORKIN OR WHAT?
??? ??? ??? ??? ???
I feel like the only one salting here
DVR breds...
If yuh very determined, yuh could close yuh eyes & ears and watch it later as if it's live (that's what I do for Champions' League).
It'll be tough to go an entire day without having the Brazil - USA score leak though (especially if USA pulls off the upset)...
Other than that, find an online feed or run away from the office and watch at a bar.
Man if it was afternoon game maybe, but the fact that iz a morning game real complicating things
not only you dread, this is real tempo..
i cyah stream it cause right now my cubicle on the highway and i cyah minimize that window small enough to not get ketch..
now it have a tv in wuk in the kitchen that does run CNN all day.. i could try switch that to the game and pretend i eh know, check in and out, but it go look real outta timing.. i is de only football peong in the office so they must know the culprit.. the last time i do that during champions league, every time i circle back the channel magically changing back to either baseball or news.. steups
i go run away and take in the 2nd half of the italy game today though. cant miss that one...
by the way, brazil leading 1-0 through a header from Melo.
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Wait nuh....allyuh see dat nice back heel Kaka jes' put dong to pass de ball out of the center of a defensive triangle.......right to the foot of a Brazilian?! How men does hate Brazil boy? ???
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WHERE Y'ALL GETTING TO SEE THESE CONFED CUP GAMES? SOME STARTIN AT 10AM PPL NOT WORKIN OR WHAT?
??? ??? ??? ??? ???
I feel like the only one salting here
DVR breds...
If yuh very determined, yuh could close yuh eyes & ears and watch it later as if it's live (that's what I do for Champions' League).
It'll be tough to go an entire day without having the Brazil - USA score leak though (especially if USA pulls off the upset)...
Other than that, find an online feed or run away from the office and watch at a bar.
Man if it was afternoon game maybe, but the fact that iz a morning game real complicating things
not only you dread, this is real tempo..
i cyah stream it cause right now my cubicle on the highway and i cyah minimize that window small enough to not get ketch..
now it have a tv in wuk in the kitchen that does run CNN all day.. i could try switch that to the game and pretend i eh know, check in and out, but it go look real outta timing.. i is de only football peong in the office so they must know the culprit.. the last time i do that during champions league, every time i circle back the channel magically changing back to either baseball or news.. steups
i go run away and take in the 2nd half of the italy game today though. cant miss that one...
by the way, brazil leading 1-0 through a header from Melo.
Ha Ha!! I know your pain, Bredda. I was in a state building while the Champions' league was on....tv set an dem showin' cnn.....and it look like I I is de ONLY football peong in de entire bulding.....ah walk up to de receptionist.....
aarrrm, Miss.....is anyway yuh could change de channel to espn?
"no, we can't change the channel down here."
Well, where do they change it?
"Upstairs."
What floor? (as I turn towards the elevator)
"You can't go up there!"
Yuh could make a phonecall?
She jes' watch meh and roll she eye.........(but ah get de numbah ;)) Brazil 2 : 0 usa Robinho!
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No, the South Africans will just be outside the stadia selling them to the same European tourists (who will purchase them for fear of being robbed and violated, especially in Jo'berg! Kinda like how some o' dem does be buying tings off they tourist tour bus in Harlem).
You can count on the fact that there will be a maximum security atmosphere around all the stadia next summer.
The tourists will feel about as much fear as they would at Disneyland.
Zeppo hush yuh arse nah. I hope the reason the stands so scanty now is becausethe South Africans saving their money for the World Cup!
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WHERE Y'ALL GETTING TO SEE THESE CONFED CUP GAMES? SOME STARTIN AT 10AM PPL NOT WORKIN OR WHAT?
??? ??? ??? ??? ???
I feel like the only one salting here
DVR breds...
If yuh very determined, yuh could close yuh eyes & ears and watch it later as if it's live (that's what I do for Champions' League).
It'll be tough to go an entire day without having the Brazil - USA score leak though (especially if USA pulls off the upset)...
Other than that, find an online feed or run away from the office and watch at a bar.
Man if it was afternoon game maybe, but the fact that iz a morning game real complicating things
not only you dread, this is real tempo..
i cyah stream it cause right now my cubicle on the highway and i cyah minimize that window small enough to not get ketch..
now it have a tv in wuk in the kitchen that does run CNN all day.. i could try switch that to the game and pretend i eh know, check in and out, but it go look real outta timing.. i is de only football peong in the office so they must know the culprit.. the last time i do that during champions league, every time i circle back the channel magically changing back to either baseball or news.. steups
i go run away and take in the 2nd half of the italy game today though. cant miss that one...
by the way, brazil leading 1-0 through a header from Melo.
Ha Ha!! I know your pain, Bredda. I was in a state building while the Champions' league was on....tv set an dem showin' cnn.....and it look like I I is de ONLY football peong in de entire bulding.....ah walk up to de receptionist.....
aarrrm, Miss.....is anyway yuh could change de channel to espn?
"no, we can't change the channel down here."
Well, where do they change it?
"Upstairs."
What floor? (as I turn towards the elevator)
"You can't go up there!"
Yuh could make a phonecall?
She jes' watch meh and roll she eye.........(but ah get de numbah ;)) Brazil 2 : 0 usa Robinho!
:devil:
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I like how Lucio directing and screaming at the defense. wish we have any responsible and accountable player like that in our defense.
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I like how Lucio directing and screaming at the defense. wish we have any responsible and accountable player like that in our defense.
Ince :-X
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Those horns might not even be an issue next summer because it could be that there are relatively few South Africans in the stands.
The stadia now are only half-full and the complaint is that ticket prices are well out of spending range for most South Africans. They're starting to give them away just to have a full house. So how are they going to afford World Cup tickets??
Get ready to see the stands full of mostly foreigners next year (and few vuvuzelas).
The stands in Germany 2006 were full of mostly foreigners too. Yuh think that was because ticket prices were well out of the spending range of most Germans?
Germans were complaining they couldn't get tickets because the organizers had made a deliberate policy of making the vast majority of tickets available to foreigners. The rationale was foreigners would spend more than locals. Not just to get in to see the matches but for concessions, merchandising, restaurants, bars, clubs, etc. That policy resulted in Germany 2006 being regarded as the best WC in history...especially off the field.
So while there might be SOME truth to what you say, should there be lots of "foreigners" in the stands...it's not necessarily because ticket prices are unaffordable for most South Africans.
Besides...I'm curious to understand how you would be able to distinguish "foreigners" in the stands in South Africa as opposed to locals...besides those openly supporting their team of course.
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Those horns might not even be an issue next summer because it could be that there are relatively few South Africans in the stands.
The stadia now are only half-full and the complaint is that ticket prices are well out of spending range for most South Africans. They're starting to give them away just to have a full house. So how are they going to afford World Cup tickets??
Get ready to see the stands full of mostly foreigners next year (and few vuvuzelas).
The stands in Germany 2006 were full of mostly foreigners too. Yuh think that was because ticket prices were well out of the spending range of most Germans?
Germans were complaining they couldn't get tickets because the organizers had made a deliberate policy of making the vast majority of tickets available to foreigners. The rationale was foreigners would spend more than locals. Not just to get in to see the matches but for concessions, merchandising, restaurants, bars, clubs, etc. That policy resulted in Germany 2006 being regarded as the best WC in history...especially off the field.
So while there might be SOME truth to what you say, should there be lots of "foreigners" in the stands...it's not necessarily because ticket prices are unaffordable for most South Africans.
Besides...I'm curious to understand how you would be able to distinguish "foreigners" in the stands in South Africa as opposed to locals...besides those openly supporting their team of course.
Palos, the man might be very correct in assuming that most "South Africans" won't be able to afford tickets to the World Cup. One can only assume he talkin' about the "Black" South Africans, too, because, as far as the images being fed from this tournament, is only BLACK people you're seeing in the stands with their painted faces and animated celebrations with their "vuvuzelas" and I can appreciate his point, but you know what? For all the success that the usa enjoys in concacaf, the american people and people like zeppo and them could NEVER appreciate and enjoy hosting a World Cup or having their country be represented in a World Cup, Whether they buying box seats or if they watching it at home on their big-screen LCD, like thes South African people can, whether THEY are scrounging a few rands to get a corner flag seat or if they all huddled around the lone black and white CRT in the village. these people were put off from hosting a World Cup in favor of Germany, maybe for good reason, but this world Cup and their team means more to them than zeppo or any other american can appreciate, no matter if the usa hosts the next THREE World cups. The nuance of this sport and all that comes with it are lost on people like him which is why he can come on this forum and try to drop his snide cynicism. Let him keep talkin' his shit. The usa is a country that always wants to be, HAVE TO BE number one at EVERYTHING they do. It grinds the HELL outta them that, for all their might and money, they still can't get this "soccer" thing yet and that whenever they come up against the great teams they are attempting to be considered among, they always just end up looking like schoolboys.
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3-0 Brasil. Mediocre.
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Palos, the man might be very correct in assuming that most "South Africans" won't be able to afford tickets to the World Cup. One can only assume he talkin' about the "Black" South Africans, too, because, as far as the images being fed from this tournament, is only BLACK people you're seeing in the stands with their painted faces and animated celebrations with their "vuvuzelas" and I can appreciate his point, but you know what? For all the success that the usa enjoys in concacaf, the american people and people like zeppo and them could NEVER appreciate and enjoy hosting a World Cup or having their country be represented in a World Cup, Whether they buying box seats or if they watching it at home on their big-screen LCD, like thes South African people can, whether THEY are scrounging a few rands to get a corner flag seat or if they all huddled around the lone black and white CRT in the village. these people were put off from hosting a World Cup in favor of Germany, maybe for good reason, but this world Cup and their team means more to them than zeppo or any other american can appreciate, no matter if the usa hosts the next THREE World cups. The nuance of this sport and all that comes with it are lost on people like him which is why he can come on this forum and try to drop his snide cynicism. Let him keep talkin' his shit. The usa is a country that always wants to be, HAVE TO BE number one at EVERYTHING they do. It grinds the HELL outta them that, for all their might and money, they still can't get this "soccer" thing yet and that whenever they come up against the great teams they are attempting to be considered among, they always just end up looking like schoolboys.
all ah dat hoss?
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Brazil demonstrated that they're in a different class to the U.S. - no newsflash there.
I'm not sure if Bob Bradley is the man to take the U.S. to the next level- they are struggling relative to their own standards- I think Arena had these guys playing a much smoother, dangerous brand of football. Under Bradley, especially of late, they have not looked as fluid as they usually do against the CONCACAF opposition, and in both these games so far in the Confed Cup, they were second best by a mile (Granted they've played against two of the best in the World). They showed good discipline and fight against the Italians and got some sympathy for the red card, but it overshadowed the fact that they were a notch below where they want to be even before the red card unbalanced the game. Today again they got a harsh red, but they were already down 2-0 when it happened and Brazil was strolling over them...On previous occasions, I've touted the U.S. Nat'l team to be a program perched not too far below the elite...and they've def shown that potential in recent years past but of late they seem to be slipping.
I think the U.S. program is one of a long-term vision, and I think they have a professional and patient approach with the people they put in charge- but I wouldn't be totally shocked if Bob Bradley loses his job before WC 2010.
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Palos, the man might be very correct in assuming that most "South Africans" won't be able to afford tickets to the World Cup. One can only assume he talkin' about the "Black" South Africans, too, because, as far as the images being fed from this tournament, is only BLACK people you're seeing in the stands with their painted faces and animated celebrations with their "vuvuzelas" and I can appreciate his point, but you know what? For all the success that the usa enjoys in concacaf, the american people and people like zeppo and them could NEVER appreciate and enjoy hosting a World Cup or having their country be represented in a World Cup, Whether they buying box seats or if they watching it at home on their big-screen LCD, like thes South African people can, whether THEY are scrounging a few rands to get a corner flag seat or if they all huddled around the lone black and white CRT in the village. these people were put off from hosting a World Cup in favor of Germany, maybe for good reason, but this world Cup and their team means more to them than zeppo or any other american can appreciate, no matter if the usa hosts the next THREE World cups. The nuance of this sport and all that comes with it are lost on people like him which is why he can come on this forum and try to drop his snide cynicism. Let him keep talkin' his shit. The usa is a country that always wants to be, HAVE TO BE number one at EVERYTHING they do. It grinds the HELL outta them that, for all their might and money, they still can't get this "soccer" thing yet and that whenever they come up against the great teams they are attempting to be considered among, they always just end up looking like schoolboys.
all ah dat hoss?
Yeah. All ah dat.
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Palos, the man might be very correct in assuming that most "South Africans" won't be able to afford tickets to the World Cup. One can only assume he talkin' about the "Black" South Africans, too, because, as far as the images being fed from this tournament, is only BLACK people you're seeing in the stands with their painted faces and animated celebrations with their "vuvuzelas" and I can appreciate his point, but you know what? For all the success that the usa enjoys in concacaf, the american people and people like zeppo and them could NEVER appreciate and enjoy hosting a World Cup or having their country be represented in a World Cup, Whether they buying box seats or if they watching it at home on their big-screen LCD, like thes South African people can, whether THEY are scrounging a few rands to get a corner flag seat or if they all huddled around the lone black and white CRT in the village. these people were put off from hosting a World Cup in favor of Germany, maybe for good reason, but this world Cup and their team means more to them than zeppo or any other american can appreciate, no matter if the usa hosts the next THREE World cups. The nuance of this sport and all that comes with it are lost on people like him which is why he can come on this forum and try to drop his snide cynicism. Let him keep talkin' his shit. The usa is a country that always wants to be, HAVE TO BE number one at EVERYTHING they do. It grinds the HELL outta them that, for all their might and money, they still can't get this "soccer" thing yet and that whenever they come up against the great teams they are attempting to be considered among, they always just end up looking like schoolboys.
all ah dat hoss?
Yeah. All ah dat.
Ent!
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Brazil demonstrated that they're in a different class to the U.S. - no newsflash there.
I'm not sure if Bob Bradley is the man to take the U.S. to the next level- they are struggling relative to their own standards- I think Arena had these guys playing a much smoother, dangerous brand of football. Under Bradley, especially of late, they have not looked as fluid as they usually do against the CONCACAF opposition, and in both these games so far in the Confed Cup, they were second best by a mile (Granted they've played against two of the best in the World). They showed good discipline and fight against the Italians and got some sympathy for the red card, but it overshadowed the fact that they were a notch below where they want to be even before the red card unbalanced the game. Today again they got a harsh red, but they were already down 2-0 when it happened and Brazil was strolling over them...On previous occasions, I've touted the U.S. Nat'l team to be a program perched not too far below the elite...and they've def shown that potential in recent years past but of late they seem to be slipping.
I think the U.S. program is one of a long-term vision, and I think they have a professional and patient approach with the people they put in charge- but I wouldn't be totally shocked if Bob Bradley loses his job before WC 2010.
::)
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is embarrassing when a man score a goal on you and then stop to give an interview one time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqdXqSTv82g
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is embarrassing when a man score a goal on you and then stop to give an interview one time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqdXqSTv82g
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Yeah, I say buh wha de arse is dis!
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Palos, the man might be very correct in assuming that most "South Africans" won't be able to afford tickets to the World Cup. One can only assume he talkin' about the "Black" South Africans, too, because, as far as the images being fed from this tournament, is only BLACK people you're seeing in the stands with their painted faces and animated celebrations with their "vuvuzelas" and I can appreciate his point, but you know what? For all the success that the usa enjoys in concacaf, the american people and people like zeppo and them could NEVER appreciate and enjoy hosting a World Cup or having their country be represented in a World Cup, Whether they buying box seats or if they watching it at home on their big-screen LCD, like thes South African people can, whether THEY are scrounging a few rands to get a corner flag seat or if they all huddled around the lone black and white CRT in the village. these people were put off from hosting a World Cup in favor of Germany, maybe for good reason, but this world Cup and their team means more to them than zeppo or any other american can appreciate, no matter if the usa hosts the next THREE World cups. The nuance of this sport and all that comes with it are lost on people like him which is why he can come on this forum and try to drop his snide cynicism. Let him keep talkin' his shit. The usa is a country that always wants to be, HAVE TO BE number one at EVERYTHING they do. It grinds the HELL outta them that, for all their might and money, they still can't get this "soccer" thing yet and that whenever they come up against the great teams they are attempting to be considered among, they always just end up looking like schoolboys.
all ah dat hoss?
I read de first half and had to stop. You better dan me.
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Palos, the man might be very correct in assuming that most "South Africans" won't be able to afford tickets to the World Cup. One can only assume he talkin' about the "Black" South Africans, too, because, as far as the images being fed from this tournament, is only BLACK people you're seeing in the stands with their painted faces and animated celebrations with their "vuvuzelas" and I can appreciate his point, but you know what? For all the success that the usa enjoys in concacaf, the american people and people like zeppo and them could NEVER appreciate and enjoy hosting a World Cup or having their country be represented in a World Cup, Whether they buying box seats or if they watching it at home on their big-screen LCD, like thes South African people can, whether THEY are scrounging a few rands to get a corner flag seat or if they all huddled around the lone black and white CRT in the village. these people were put off from hosting a World Cup in favor of Germany, maybe for good reason, but this world Cup and their team means more to them than zeppo or any other american can appreciate, no matter if the usa hosts the next THREE World cups. The nuance of this sport and all that comes with it are lost on people like him which is why he can come on this forum and try to drop his snide cynicism. Let him keep talkin' his shit. The usa is a country that always wants to be, HAVE TO BE number one at EVERYTHING they do. It grinds the HELL outta them that, for all their might and money, they still can't get this "soccer" thing yet and that whenever they come up against the great teams they are attempting to be considered among, they always just end up looking like schoolboys.
all ah dat hoss?
I read de first half and had to stop. You better dan me.
Don't feel so alone. You're one of many that can't stomach plain talk.
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Palos, the man might be very correct in assuming that most "South Africans" won't be able to afford tickets to the World Cup. One can only assume he talkin' about the "Black" South Africans, too, because, as far as the images being fed from this tournament, is only BLACK people you're seeing in the stands with their painted faces and animated celebrations with their "vuvuzelas" and I can appreciate his point, but you know what? For all the success that the usa enjoys in concacaf, the american people and people like zeppo and them could NEVER appreciate and enjoy hosting a World Cup or having their country be represented in a World Cup, Whether they buying box seats or if they watching it at home on their big-screen LCD, like thes South African people can, whether THEY are scrounging a few rands to get a corner flag seat or if they all huddled around the lone black and white CRT in the village. these people were put off from hosting a World Cup in favor of Germany, maybe for good reason, but this world Cup and their team means more to them than zeppo or any other american can appreciate, no matter if the usa hosts the next THREE World cups. The nuance of this sport and all that comes with it are lost on people like him which is why he can come on this forum and try to drop his snide cynicism. Let him keep talkin' his shit. The usa is a country that always wants to be, HAVE TO BE number one at EVERYTHING they do. It grinds the HELL outta them that, for all their might and money, they still can't get this "soccer" thing yet and that whenever they come up against the great teams they are attempting to be considered among, they always just end up looking like schoolboys.
Not sure what alot of that rant has to do with what Zeppo is saying... You agree with him, and then go off on a somewhat unrelated tangent....With regard to what you're saying though, the question is whether or not the majority of people who relish hosting this cup will ever see the benefits of it. How many locals are going to gain meaningful employment, how many local companies are getting contracts for services during the cup- Are the extra tourism dollars going to actually touch the ground in South Africa in any sort of game changing capacity for these people who claim will relish this opportunity? It's been an issue in Africa for decades that has disguised itself under the pretext of "Foreign Aid", and other such related initiatives...
You can say what you like about the U.S., but if the U.S. hosted a World Cup, the U.S. benefits, and while people might not be as collectively passionate about the game here, I want to guess that they sure do appreciate the benefits of showcasing a global event such as the World Cup....because the World Cup is about alot more than just football - some might argue that football is just the backdrop....The World Cup being hosted in Africa is a great thing, and it's a risky endeavour...and I applaud FIFA for having the balls after all this time but I won't be too hasty to get all teary eyed over what it means to the masses.
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Brazil demonstrated that they're in a different class to the U.S. - no newsflash there.
I'm not sure if Bob Bradley is the man to take the U.S. to the next level- they are struggling relative to their own standards- I think Arena had these guys playing a much smoother, dangerous brand of football. Under Bradley, especially of late, they have not looked as fluid as they usually do against the CONCACAF opposition, and in both these games so far in the Confed Cup, they were second best by a mile (Granted they've played against two of the best in the World). They showed good discipline and fight against the Italians and got some sympathy for the red card, but it overshadowed the fact that they were a notch below where they want to be even before the red card unbalanced the game. Today again they got a harsh red, but they were already down 2-0 when it happened and Brazil was strolling over them...On previous occasions, I've touted the U.S. Nat'l team to be a program perched not too far below the elite...and they've def shown that potential in recent years past but of late they seem to be slipping.
I think the U.S. program is one of a long-term vision, and I think they have a professional and patient approach with the people they put in charge- but I wouldn't be totally shocked if Bob Bradley loses his job before WC 2010.
Too many uninspired laborers on that US team while the few true talents like Torres and Adu rotting on the bench. Imagine, a pure hound like Hejduk have to get injured before Spector get a run. Bradley does not have a clue. He will get fired if dey toots down the Gold Cup...even before that, the Klinnsman rumors will start.
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Palos, the man might be very correct in assuming that most "South Africans" won't be able to afford tickets to the World Cup. One can only assume he talkin' about the "Black" South Africans, too, because, as far as the images being fed from this tournament, is only BLACK people you're seeing in the stands with their painted faces and animated celebrations with their "vuvuzelas" and I can appreciate his point, but you know what? For all the success that the usa enjoys in concacaf, the american people and people like zeppo and them could NEVER appreciate and enjoy hosting a World Cup or having their country be represented in a World Cup, Whether they buying box seats or if they watching it at home on their big-screen LCD, like thes South African people can, whether THEY are scrounging a few rands to get a corner flag seat or if they all huddled around the lone black and white CRT in the village. these people were put off from hosting a World Cup in favor of Germany, maybe for good reason, but this world Cup and their team means more to them than zeppo or any other american can appreciate, no matter if the usa hosts the next THREE World cups. The nuance of this sport and all that comes with it are lost on people like him which is why he can come on this forum and try to drop his snide cynicism. Let him keep talkin' his shit. The usa is a country that always wants to be, HAVE TO BE number one at EVERYTHING they do. It grinds the HELL outta them that, for all their might and money, they still can't get this "soccer" thing yet and that whenever they come up against the great teams they are attempting to be considered among, they always just end up looking like schoolboys.
all ah dat hoss?
I read de first half and had to stop. You better dan me.
Don't feel so alone. You're one of many that can't stomach plain talk.
Nah I good wit plain talk. You sound like you was working out some emotional issues, though. So I say is none of my business.
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Brazil demonstrated that they're in a different class to the U.S. - no newsflash there.
I'm not sure if Bob Bradley is the man to take the U.S. to the next level- they are struggling relative to their own standards- I think Arena had these guys playing a much smoother, dangerous brand of football. Under Bradley, especially of late, they have not looked as fluid as they usually do against the CONCACAF opposition, and in both these games so far in the Confed Cup, they were second best by a mile (Granted they've played against two of the best in the World). They showed good discipline and fight against the Italians and got some sympathy for the red card, but it overshadowed the fact that they were a notch below where they want to be even before the red card unbalanced the game. Today again they got a harsh red, but they were already down 2-0 when it happened and Brazil was strolling over them...On previous occasions, I've touted the U.S. Nat'l team to be a program perched not too far below the elite...and they've def shown that potential in recent years past but of late they seem to be slipping.
I think the U.S. program is one of a long-term vision, and I think they have a professional and patient approach with the people they put in charge- but I wouldn't be totally shocked if Bob Bradley loses his job before WC 2010.
Too many uninspired laborers on that US team while the few true talents like Torres and Adu rotting on the bench. Imagine, a pure hound like Hejduk have to get injured before Spector get a run. Bradley does not have a clue. He will get fired if dey toots down the Gold Cup...even before that, the Klinnsman rumors will start.
If he coaches that team he'll take them to another level. Despite flopping at Bayern he is still lauded for how he helped the German national outfit improve.
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Come on, Egypt!
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I watching the game on GolTV and the sound is terrible
sounds like there is a bee hive in the back ground ;D
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I think Egypt will be one of my teams for the WC.
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1-0 Egypt!
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I think Egypt will be one of my teams for the WC.
they just score...this egyptian team deadly sah...and they ent playing with mido or zaki...i like the brand they knockin
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Brazil demonstrated that they're in a different class to the U.S. - no newsflash there.
I'm not sure if Bob Bradley is the man to take the U.S. to the next level- they are struggling relative to their own standards- I think Arena had these guys playing a much smoother, dangerous brand of football. Under Bradley, especially of late, they have not looked as fluid as they usually do against the CONCACAF opposition, and in both these games so far in the Confed Cup, they were second best by a mile (Granted they've played against two of the best in the World). They showed good discipline and fight against the Italians and got some sympathy for the red card, but it overshadowed the fact that they were a notch below where they want to be even before the red card unbalanced the game. Today again they got a harsh red, but they were already down 2-0 when it happened and Brazil was strolling over them...On previous occasions, I've touted the U.S. Nat'l team to be a program perched not too far below the elite...and they've def shown that potential in recent years past but of late they seem to be slipping.
I think the U.S. program is one of a long-term vision, and I think they have a professional and patient approach with the people they put in charge- but I wouldn't be totally shocked if Bob Bradley loses his job before WC 2010.
'The problem with the US is they beat up on the Panamas, Trinidad and Tobagos, Guatemalas of soccer and think they're really good when they aren't.
They need to play in these type of tournaments more often to get an honest feel as to where they stack up against the better teams in the world so that they can make adjustments going forward.
Right now, we know where they stack up and it's not all that good.'
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beaut of a goal :applause:
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I think Egypt will be one of my teams for the WC.
they just score...this egyptian team deadly sah...and they ent playing with mido or zaki...i like the brand they knockin
Dey good.
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Is Italy 2nd team on th epitch. They look so flat.
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I think Egypt will be one of my teams for the WC.
Agreed. It would be refreshing to see the European-South American dichotomy in terms of world cup winners be broken; and it would be a great advert for the sport (as if the anyone needs any more convincing about the merits of the beautiful game).
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Is Italy 2nd team on th epitch. They look so flat.
Huh :o they being made to look like a second team. ;D
Egypt are always a better team without "pull stones" Mido.
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Yuh think Egypt could do that against the Americans?
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sorry fellahs but not today..
Toni and Montolivo coming on to turn de screws second half.
Forza Italia!
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Yuh think Egypt could do that against the Americans?
Brazil almost didn't beat them. I don't think the Americans will do any better.
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Homos in Italy tail...
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Who watching Egypt vs Italy, its on live right now!
Egypt 1 - 0 up against Italy; This time Egypt is playing in their white version of T&T's uniform rather than in their red version! ;)
Here's the link: http://www.atdhe.net/7536/watch-egypt-vs-italy
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nutten goin rite fuh italia.
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Oh geeeeeeeeeeddddddd
A man from Italy jes hit somebody a piece a stinkness dey.....lawdoye!
Comin out de back...stop, push behind he leg, pick up wit de next foot and gone...all in one motion....ketch EVERYBODY!!!
:rotfl:
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egypt getting save with they keeper, or they would be getting a 3-1 right now oui :o
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Why Egypt eh just shoot? steups
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italy go feel this lost.
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Doh know who worse Ince or Egypt keeper. Just boots the ball away down field as faaar as possible.
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pharoahs defendin fuh they life
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all praise to allah.
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:notworthy:
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Mr. Ref try he hardest for Italy.
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all praise to allah.
Allahu Ahkbar!
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What an exhibition of goalkeeping! Great stuff Egypt. :applause: :applause:
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What an exhibition of goalkeeping! Great stuff Egypt. :applause: :applause:
I agree but certain men comparing Egypt GK with Ince for the wrong reasons!
Doh know who worse Ince or Egypt keeper. Just boots the ball away down field as faaar as possible.
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T&T could learn a lot from egypt on how tuh defend ah lead!! yuh see how ppl who love and have pride in dey national football does lay it all on the line.
not like lazy lawrence, ince the quereller and spaced out andrews. sttuueeepppsssss!
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Oh geeeeeeeeeeddddddd
A man from Italy jes hit somebody a piece a stinkness dey.....lawdoye!
Comin out de back...stop, push behind he leg, pick up wit de next foot and gone...all in one motion....ketch EVERYBODY!!!
:rotfl:
yeah that was meh boy Montolivo...
if ah man like me was to try ah beat like that is foot stick on the ball and knee ligament damage for sure..
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yeah that was meh boy Montolivo...
if ah man like me was to try ah beat like that is foot stick on the ball and knee ligament damage for sure..
Daiz why goal keepers does get to use deh hands no? :devil:
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Mecca is this way.
(http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/c1/fullj.285a8bedb5a367ed7cf4545b9a27769a/285a8bedb5a367ed7cf4545b9a27769a-getty-88153393lg012_egypt_v_italy.jpg)
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What an exhibition of goalkeeping! Great stuff Egypt. :applause: :applause:
I agree but certain men comparing Egypt GK with Ince for the wrong reasons!
Doh know who worse Ince or Egypt keeper. Just boots the ball away down field as faaar as possible.
Ince is a good goalkeeper breds, at least a good shot stopper. I just doh like the tendency to just send the ball as far downfield as possible right back to the opposition, over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over......Dat does severely limit ball possession. It does be like he and the other team backline and goalkeeper playing. AH HATE DAT!! Is frighten football.
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What an exhibition of goalkeeping! Great stuff Egypt. :applause: :applause:
I agree but certain men comparing Egypt GK with Ince for the wrong reasons!
Doh know who worse Ince or Egypt keeper. Just boots the ball away down field as faaar as possible.
Ince is a good goalkeeper breds, at least a good shot stopper. I just doh like the tendency to just send the ball as far downfield as possible right back to the opposition, over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over......Dat does severely limit ball possession. It does be like he and the other team backline and goalkeeper playing. AH HATE DAT!! Is frighten football.
Can't argue with you on dat observation! 8)
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Well this makes the both the Egypt - USA & Brazil - Italy matches on Sunday meaningful...good for the tournament.
The way it stands, unless head to head is the first tie breaker, big wins by Italy and Egypt on Sunday could still knock Brazil out... Anyone know for sure what the tie break rules are?
Plus the top spot in this group is crucial in order to escape playing the much harder of the two semis (Spain)
Looking forward to those matches.
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I think Egypt will be one of my teams for the WC.
Egypt struggling to qualify. But this tournament might be the tonic they need to turn it around.
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Too many uninspired laborers on that US team while the few true talents like Torres and Adu rotting on the bench. Imagine, a pure hound like Hejduk have to get injured before Spector get a run. Bradley does not have a clue. He will get fired if dey toots down the Gold Cup...even before that, the Klinnsman rumors will start.
But daz d US brand self. Still better than the corbeaux brand anyday though.At least they fit enough to run a hard 90 every time out
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Mecca is this way.(http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/c1/fullj.285a8bedb5a367ed7cf4545b9a27769a/285a8bedb5a367ed7cf4545b9a27769a-getty-88153393lg012_egypt_v_italy.jpg)
Was that even nessesary? loud ssttuueeepppsssss!!!!!
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Mecca is this way.
(http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/c1/fullj.285a8bedb5a367ed7cf4545b9a27769a/285a8bedb5a367ed7cf4545b9a27769a-getty-88153393lg012_egypt_v_italy.jpg)
Can you imagine the effect this image will have on Egyptian national pride. You just can't beat football for these kind of moments..... Brilliant !
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Oh geeeeeeeeeeddddddd
A man from Italy jes hit somebody a piece a stinkness dey.....lawdoye!
Comin out de back...stop, push behind he leg, pick up wit de next foot and gone...all in one motion....ketch EVERYBODY!!!
:rotfl:
yeah that was meh boy Montolivo...
if ah man like me was to try ah beat like that is foot stick on the ball and knee ligament damage for sure..
Fuh real omar.
Dat was DREAD sah. I have to watch de replay jes to see quite how he pull dat off at dat speed.
Dat was RIDICULOUS!!! ;D
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Mecca is this way.
(http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/c1/fullj.285a8bedb5a367ed7cf4545b9a27769a/285a8bedb5a367ed7cf4545b9a27769a-getty-88153393lg012_egypt_v_italy.jpg)
Can you imagine the effect this image will have on Egyptian national pride. You just can't beat football for these kind of moments..... Brilliant !
What we don't understand in the west is that them fellas don't live by our set of rules, so to us this may look like ah show, but for them this is like 2nd nature.
to them their religon ( way of life) is every thing, whether cristian, muslim , or jewish. so they put God in every thing they do.
remember most of them men doh drink and run down punash like us westerners. for the most part they live pretty straight lace life styles, and will give their lives for what ever cause they defend in ah one.
in ah nut shell, they live by totally different set of rules.
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What an exhibition of goalkeeping! Great stuff Egypt. :applause: :applause:
I agree but certain men comparing Egypt GK with Ince for the wrong reasons!
Doh know who worse Ince or Egypt keeper. Just boots the ball away down field as faaar as possible.
Ince is a good goalkeeper breds, at least a good shot stopper. I just doh like the tendency to just send the ball as far downfield as possible right back to the opposition, over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over......Dat does severely limit ball possession. It does be like he and the other team backline and goalkeeper playing. AH HATE DAT!! Is frighten football.
The reason for that is the other ten mem most of the time playing sh*t. So he have to keep the ball off they foot.
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Oh geeeeeeeeeeddddddd
A man from Italy jes hit somebody a piece a stinkness dey.....lawdoye!
Comin out de back...stop, push behind he leg, pick up wit de next foot and gone...all in one motion....ketch EVERYBODY!!!
:rotfl:
yeah that was meh boy Montolivo...
if ah man like me was to try ah beat like that is foot stick on the ball and knee ligament damage for sure..
Fuh real omar.
Dat was DREAD sah. I have to watch de replay jes to see quite how he pull dat off at dat speed.
Dat was RIDICULOUS!!! ;D
The way allyuh talkin' bout that beat, allyuh will have me fast-forwarding through the recording just to find it...
What minute of the game we torkin' bout here again ? ;D
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Mecca is this way.
(http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/c1/fullj.285a8bedb5a367ed7cf4545b9a27769a/285a8bedb5a367ed7cf4545b9a27769a-getty-88153393lg012_egypt_v_italy.jpg)
Can you imagine the effect this image will have on Egyptian national pride. You just can't beat football for these kind of moments..... Brilliant !
What we don't understand in the west is that them fellas don't live by our set of rules, so to us this may look like ah show, but for them this is like 2nd nature.
to them their religon ( way of life) is every thing, whether cristian, muslim , or jewish. so they put God in every thing they do.
remember most of them men doh drink and run down punash like us westerners. for the most part they live pretty straight lace life styles, and will give their lives for what ever cause they defend in ah one.
in ah nut shell, they live by totally different set of rules.
I apologise.
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Oh geeeeeeeeeeddddddd
A man from Italy jes hit somebody a piece a stinkness dey.....lawdoye!
Comin out de back...stop, push behind he leg, pick up wit de next foot and gone...all in one motion....ketch EVERYBODY!!!
:rotfl:
yeah that was meh boy Montolivo...
if ah man like me was to try ah beat like that is foot stick on the ball and knee ligament damage for sure..
Fuh real omar.
Dat was DREAD sah. I have to watch de replay jes to see quite how he pull dat off at dat speed.
Dat was RIDICULOUS!!! ;D
The way allyuh talkin' bout that beat, allyuh will have me fast-forwarding through the recording just to find it...
What minute of the game we torkin' bout here again ? ;D
somewhere in de 70-something... he was bringing de ball out de back. De man get it a lil way before after his own 18 and before the centre circle.
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Mecca is this way.
(http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/c1/fullj.285a8bedb5a367ed7cf4545b9a27769a/285a8bedb5a367ed7cf4545b9a27769a-getty-88153393lg012_egypt_v_italy.jpg)
Can you imagine the effect this image will have on Egyptian national pride. You just can't beat football for these kind of moments..... Brilliant !
What we don't understand in the west is that them fellas don't live by our set of rules, so to us this may look like ah show, but for them this is like 2nd nature.
to them their religon ( way of life) is every thing, whether cristian, muslim , or jewish. so they put God in every thing they do.
remember most of them men doh drink and run down punash like us westerners. for the most part they live pretty straight lace life styles, and will give their lives for what ever cause they defend in ah one.
in ah nut shell, they live by totally different set of rules.
I apologise.
Accepted. positive.
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Oh geeeeeeeeeeddddddd
A man from Italy jes hit somebody a piece a stinkness dey.....lawdoye!
Comin out de back...stop, push behind he leg, pick up wit de next foot and gone...all in one motion....ketch EVERYBODY!!!
:rotfl:
yeah that was meh boy Montolivo...
if ah man like me was to try ah beat like that is foot stick on the ball and knee ligament damage for sure..
Fuh real omar.
Dat was DREAD sah. I have to watch de replay jes to see quite how he pull dat off at dat speed.
Dat was RIDICULOUS!!! ;D
The way allyuh talkin' bout that beat, allyuh will have me fast-forwarding through the recording just to find it...
What minute of the game we torkin' bout here again ? ;D
somewhere in de 70-something... he was bringing de ball out de back. De man get it a lil way before after his own 18 and before the centre circle.
Correck is right. I have to check it again to see if what I thought I see I really see. Although ah know I did.
How he eh mash up he knee is a mystery in trute... ;D
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Mecca is this way.
(http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/c1/fullj.285a8bedb5a367ed7cf4545b9a27769a/285a8bedb5a367ed7cf4545b9a27769a-getty-88153393lg012_egypt_v_italy.jpg)
Can you imagine the effect this image will have on Egyptian national pride. You just can't beat football for these kind of moments..... Brilliant !
What we don't understand in the west is that them fellas don't live by our set of rules, so to us this may look like ah show, but for them this is like 2nd nature.
to them their religon ( way of life) is every thing, whether cristian, muslim , or jewish. so they put God in every thing they do.
remember most of them men doh drink and run down punash like us westerners. for the most part they live pretty straight lace life styles, and will give their lives for what ever cause they defend in ah one.
in ah nut shell, they live by totally different set of rules.
Just cool.....I telling you right now...dem men is de biggest set ah limers, shit talkers, weed smokers, nanny chasers it have on this planet. Well, at least dey right up there with the bes ah dem. And that is right after they just done kneel down on a mat in a corner somewhere at de back of the library (Is my own experience with dem I talking about). People eh no different no matter where on this planet yuh come from.
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The stands in Germany 2006 were full of mostly foreigners too. Yuh think that was because ticket prices were well out of the spending range of most Germans?
Germans were complaining they couldn't get tickets because the organizers had made a deliberate policy of making the vast majority of tickets available to foreigners. The rationale was foreigners would spend more than locals. Not just to get in to see the matches but for concessions, merchandising, restaurants, bars, clubs, etc. That policy resulted in Germany 2006 being regarded as the best WC in history...especially off the field.
So while there might be SOME truth to what you say, should there be lots of "foreigners" in the stands...it's not necessarily because ticket prices are unaffordable for most South Africans.
Well if they limit the amount of tickets made available to the locals then that will only serve to drive the prices up even higher.
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The usa is a country that always wants to be, HAVE TO BE number one at EVERYTHING they do. It grinds the HELL outta them that, for all their might and money, they still can't get this "soccer" thing yet and that whenever they come up against the great teams they are attempting to be considered among, they always just end up looking like schoolboys.
Give me a call when your schoolboys make it to the World Cup quarterfinals.
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Mecca is this way.
(http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/c1/fullj.285a8bedb5a367ed7cf4545b9a27769a/285a8bedb5a367ed7cf4545b9a27769a-getty-88153393lg012_egypt_v_italy.jpg)
Can you imagine the effect this image will have on Egyptian national pride. You just can't beat football for these kind of moments..... Brilliant !
What we don't understand in the west is that them fellas don't live by our set of rules, so to us this may look like ah show, but for them this is like 2nd nature.
to them their religon ( way of life) is every thing, whether cristian, muslim , or jewish. so they put God in every thing they do.
remember most of them men doh drink and run down punash like us westerners. for the most part they live pretty straight lace life styles, and will give their lives for what ever cause they defend in ah one.
in ah nut shell, they live by totally different set of rules.
Just cool.....I telling you right now...dem men is de biggest set ah limers, shit talkers, weed smokers, nanny chasers it have on this planet. Well, at least dey right up there with the bes ah dem. And that is right after they just done kneel down on a mat in a corner somewhere at de back of the library (Is my own experience with dem I talking about). People eh no different no matter where on this planet yuh come from.
Remeber i said for the MOST PART!! ppl need tuh read properly and stop taking things out of context.
now let me ask yuh this, how much arabs yuh know? and ah have ah felling if yuh hang out with, talk too, observe, play ball with, live in the same city with, i'm sure yuh don't know ah 100,000 ah dem, and though the ones yuh know may have western and secular values,more than ever, the most of dem hold fast to their culture and way of life.
i also know rum drinking pot smoking arabs, but for every wayward, there are ten observing. that statement you made could be comparable with saying most trini's like tuh rob and gang bang.
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In Danny Alves and Maicon, Brasil have 2 world class right backs. Which one to start?
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Mecca is this way.
(http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/c1/fullj.285a8bedb5a367ed7cf4545b9a27769a/285a8bedb5a367ed7cf4545b9a27769a-getty-88153393lg012_egypt_v_italy.jpg)
Can you imagine the effect this image will have on Egyptian national pride. You just can't beat football for these kind of moments..... Brilliant !
What we don't understand in the west is that them fellas don't live by our set of rules, so to us this may look like ah show, but for them this is like 2nd nature.
to them their religon ( way of life) is every thing, whether cristian, muslim , or jewish. so they put God in every thing they do.
remember most of them men doh drink and run down punash like us westerners. for the most part they live pretty straight lace life styles, and will give their lives for what ever cause they defend in ah one.
in ah nut shell, they live by totally different set of rules.
Yeah right! Dat is what you think. Ever been to Egypt, Turkey or UAE, dem drinking and smoking everything.
Yeah deh hiding and doing it but doh fool yuh self.
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In Danny Alves and Maicon, Brasil have 2 world class right backs. Which one to start?
push Danny up in the midfield. Worked well in the Copa America final....
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The usa is a country that always wants to be, HAVE TO BE number one at EVERYTHING they do. It grinds the HELL outta them that, for all their might and money, they still can't get this "soccer" thing yet and that whenever they come up against the great teams they are attempting to be considered among, they always just end up looking like schoolboys.
Give me a call when your schoolboys make it to the World Cup quarterfinals.
When you're the biggest, strongest, wealthiest, most powerful, concacaf-dominating superpower in the world, that, according to fifa, is perennially one of the top 25 teams in the world (sssssure you are) isn't a flash-in-the-pan showing at a World Cup quarterfinal a little beneath the standard your country purports itself to behold? Shouldn't y'all have at least won a final semifinal.........quarterfinal by now? (Oh, I forgot. the only reason y'all lost to Germany in Korea-Japan is probably through some fault of the referee or linesman.....some call y'all didn't get or something. Yuh ent have one ah dem "vuvuzelas" to blow on? Your team still have a chance of advancing in this tournament!)
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The usa is a country that always wants to be, HAVE TO BE number one at EVERYTHING they do. It grinds the HELL outta them that, for all their might and money, they still can't get this "soccer" thing yet and that whenever they come up against the great teams they are attempting to be considered among, they always just end up looking like schoolboys.
Give me a call when your schoolboys make it to the World Cup quarterfinals.
When you're the biggest, strongest, wealthiest, most powerful, concacaf-dominating superpower in the world, that, according to fifa, is perennially one of the top 25 teams in the world (sssssure you are) isn't a flash-in-the-pan showing at a World Cup quarterfinal a little beneath the standard your country purports itself to behold? Shouldn't y'all have at least won a final semifinal.........quarterfinal by now? (Oh, I forgot. the only reason y'all lost to Germany in Korea-Japan is probably through some fault of the referee or linesman.....some call y'all didn't get or something. Yuh ent have one ah dem "vuvuzelas" to blow on? Your team still have a chance of advancing in this tournament!)
hear nah mango chow, i now goin an ask d man if is boast he boastin for makin it to a QUARTERFINAL in d world cup. correct me if i wrong but a team who has made it to almost all if not all of d world cups should have at least won once rite?
hear dis zeppo, when your so called big side win d world cup, den u cud bump yuh gum all u want, but until den, u cud throw yuh frame.
bless!!
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The usa is a country that always wants to be, HAVE TO BE number one at EVERYTHING they do. It grinds the HELL outta them that, for all their might and money, they still can't get this "soccer" thing yet and that whenever they come up against the great teams they are attempting to be considered among, they always just end up looking like schoolboys.
Give me a call when your schoolboys make it to the World Cup quarterfinals.
When you're the biggest, strongest, wealthiest, most powerful, concacaf-dominating superpower in the world, that, according to fifa, is perennially one of the top 25 teams in the world (sssssure you are) isn't a flash-in-the-pan showing at a World Cup quarterfinal a little beneath the standard your country purports itself to behold? Shouldn't y'all have at least won a final semifinal.........quarterfinal by now? (Oh, I forgot. the only reason y'all lost to Germany in Korea-Japan is probably through some fault of the referee or linesman.....some call y'all didn't get or something. Yuh ent have one ah dem "vuvuzelas" to blow on? Your team still have a chance of advancing in this tournament!)
hear nah mango chow, i now goin an ask d man if is boast he boastin for makin it to a QUARTERFINAL in d world cup. correct me if i wrong but a team who has made it to almost all if not all of d world cups should have at least won once rite?
hear dis zeppo, when your so called big side win d world cup, den u cud bump yuh gum all u want, but until den, u cud throw yuh frame.
bless!!
Baby, I give his country credit for getting to that plateau.......but it still earns them little respect in the football world. I give the man his credit. He win a few fans on the forum with his penchant for pushing a usa agenda. No scene, is a free world. But I don't miss his snide arrogance much as he try to be slick with it. Bless, Baby, bless!
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The Arabs are football mad people and we must not forget that.I remember at University they would come in on Monday well dressed, wearing some really expensive clothes and if anyone had a football around, they would start a match on the lawn at the side of the building.They would play for over an hour shouting and bawling in Arabic as if that kick-about was a WC final.They eventually came into lectures smelly,sweaty and all ruffled up,still chattering in Arabic,the lecturer sometimes had to calm them down for the start of classes.The next day it was the same all over.
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Watching this Italy-Egypt game...
Pirlo seems to be back to his best- what a f*cking general...
Man can carve a genius pass out of any situation.
p.s. Egypt have a nice lil knock....
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Honestly ..in my opinion although Italy are world champs, they are not one of my favourite teams to watch in the world..I dont rate them higher than the current Brazil, Argentina, Spain or French teams..although no one expected them to lose to Egypt, I am still not surprised..especially seeing Egypt dynamic performace at the last African nations Cup
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Obviously is these ugly unforms that Italy wearing that throw them off they game.
The need to collect that kit and burn them
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Obviously is these ugly unforms that Italy wearing that throw them off they game.
The need to collect that kit and burn them
:D
It really ugly in truth.
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Mecca is this way.
(http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/c1/fullj.285a8bedb5a367ed7cf4545b9a27769a/285a8bedb5a367ed7cf4545b9a27769a-getty-88153393lg012_egypt_v_italy.jpg)
Can you imagine the effect this image will have on Egyptian national pride. You just can't beat football for these kind of moments..... Brilliant !
What we don't understand in the west is that them fellas don't live by our set of rules, so to us this may look like ah show, but for them this is like 2nd nature.
to them their religon ( way of life) is every thing, whether cristian, muslim , or jewish. so they put God in every thing they do.
remember most of them men doh drink and run down punash like us westerners. for the most part they live pretty straight lace life styles, and will give their lives for what ever cause they defend in ah one.
in ah nut shell, they live by totally different set of rules.
Yeah right! Dat is what you think. Ever been to Egypt, Turkey or UAE, dem drinking and smoking everything.
Yeah deh hiding and doing it but doh fool yuh self.
Actually i've been to the middle east!!! not egypt, uae or turkey, but suadi arabia, syria and jordan and i also interact and live amonst arabs of all nations! for the most part their culture is pretty simular.
ppl love tuh generalize and sometimes their generalization don't always reflect the vast majority.
yes it have drinkers killers rapers and smokers amongst them. which society don't ?
but for the MOST PART, them fellas does obey and live up to their parents and grand parents wishes. to them culture religon and and family values is # one! and nothing else matters.
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When you're the biggest, strongest, wealthiest, most powerful, concacaf-dominating superpower in the world, that, according to fifa, is perennially one of the top 25 teams in the world (sssssure you are) isn't a flash-in-the-pan showing at a World Cup quarterfinal a little beneath the standard your country purports itself to behold? Shouldn't y'all have at least won a final semifinal.........quarterfinal by now? (Oh, I forgot. the only reason y'all lost to Germany in Korea-Japan is probably through some fault of the referee or linesman.....some call y'all didn't get or something. Yuh ent have one ah dem "vuvuzelas" to blow on? Your team still have a chance of advancing in this tournament!)
In Spain it's the #1 sport and they have one of the richest leagues in the world. How many World Cup's have they won by now? Your logic is bunk and you know it.
Our pro league's only been around for 13 years, and not even 20 years ago our team was made up almost entirely of students. Since then we have we have beaten teams like Brazil, Argentina, Germany, England, Portugal, etc. -- something that no other team in the region could even conceive of, bar Mexico. It's precisely that kind of steady progress that worries the hell out of guys like you. :o
BTW - just to drop a little bit of history on you (since you seem to so sorely lack the perspective), we've actually been to the semi-finals. ;)
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When you're the biggest, strongest, wealthiest, most powerful, concacaf-dominating superpower in the world, that, according to fifa, is perennially one of the top 25 teams in the world (sssssure you are) isn't a flash-in-the-pan showing at a World Cup quarterfinal a little beneath the standard your country purports itself to behold? Shouldn't y'all have at least won a final semifinal.........quarterfinal by now? (Oh, I forgot. the only reason y'all lost to Germany in Korea-Japan is probably through some fault of the referee or linesman.....some call y'all didn't get or something. Yuh ent have one ah dem "vuvuzelas" to blow on? Your team still have a chance of advancing in this tournament!)
In Spain it's the #1 sport and they have one of the richest leagues in the world. How many World Cup's have they won by now? Your logic is bunk and you know it.
Our pro league's only been around for 13 years, and not even 20 years ago our team was made up almost entirely of students. Since then we have we have beaten teams like Brazil, Argentina, Germany, England, Portugal, etc. -- something that no other team in the region could even conceive of, bar Mexico. It's precisely that kind of steady progress that worries the hell out of guys like you. :o
BTW - just to drop a little bit of history on you (since you seem to so sorely lack the perspective), we've actually been to the semi-finals. ;)
Let's really put things in perspective, zeppo before you get happy blowing your vuvuzela too hard: Spain's empty Trophy case in the World Cup department is universally seen as underachievement, lil fella, while any results that you can brandish is equally seen as over achievement. On any given day, the usa can eke out a result against Germany, Brazil, England and Argentina and you will STILL never be seen as belonging in their company. As you proved yesterday, you didn't belong on the same field as Brazilian ball boys, so the result that Kasey Keller secured for you in the Gold Cup in 1998 is not something to tout as anything more than having had a lucky day (even small countries like my own have those from time to time) I will grant you that you embarrassed Portugal and eked out a loss to Germany, but when you compare third place in the inaugural World Cup tournament to getting eliminated in the group stage and being beaten by Ghana in 2006 along with all the results in between.......I wouldn't call that "steady progress" like you would, young man. (wait, didn't y'all lose to Iran in '98?) CONCACAF, the confederation which your country so dominates, has had a steady slot available to them since 1930. Cameroun's and Nigeria's accomplishments are what you would call steady progress, especially when you consider the fact that Africa did not start having a consistent slot in the World Cup until 1970. Your country and Mexico have dominated concacaf for more years than I have probably existed, that has never been in question, as far as I am concerned, but against top level competition, y'all don't matchup, y'all don't belong, and y'all prove that time and time again. (Beware of Egypt on Sunday)
Also, when you talk about your pro league being only 13 years old, please don't forget that the mls msl misled is merely a rehashing of the NASL and all other associated leagues which were unsustainable because there was hardly the local talent (and even less local interest) to feed it.
See, zeppo, you're missing my point and I am not surprised. I should have given up when I saw you try to use Spain as some sort of "point" to sustain your argument and I was even more appalled that you would pluralize "World Cup" with an apostrophe "s" but if I stuck with you that you might try to apply a little "perspective" and learn something. The usa can dominate CONCACAF and Mexico all you want. TRUST when I tell you that scattered victories against big teams neither bother nor impress me. I know that sooner or later, even 5 World Cups from now, your team will STILL be made to look like they were yesterday.
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Obviously is these ugly unforms that Italy wearing that throw them off they game.
The need to collect that kit and burn them
:D
It really ugly in truth.
The blue has become alot lighter in shade..............and black shorts? WTF??
The dark Azurri & white shorts was an institution, dunno why they changed it....I wouldn't call the kits ugly, but they certainly don't look like the Italian kit, and they will take alot of getting used to...
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Obviously is these ugly unforms that Italy wearing that throw them off they game.
The need to collect that kit and burn them
:D
It really ugly in truth.
The blue has become alot lighter in shade..............and black shorts? WTF??
The dark Azurri & white shorts was an institution, dunno why they changed it....I wouldn't call the kits ugly, but they certainly don't look like the Italian kit, and they will take alot of getting used to...
Money money money money mmmoonnneeeyyyyyyy (as the sound says) My guess is it will be only for the Confederation Cup
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Obviously is these ugly unforms that Italy wearing that throw them off they game.
The need to collect that kit and burn them
:D
It really ugly in truth.
The blue has become alot lighter in shade..............and black shorts? WTF??
The dark Azurri & white shorts was an institution, dunno why they changed it....I wouldn't call the kits ugly, but they certainly don't look like the Italian kit, and they will take alot of getting used to...
It is light blue with a brown shorts... it supposed to be a throwback to the 1934-1938 kit
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Obviously is these ugly unforms that Italy wearing that throw them off they game.
The need to collect that kit and burn them
:D
It really ugly in truth.
The blue has become alot lighter in shade..............and black shorts? WTF??
The dark Azurri & white shorts was an institution, dunno why they changed it....I wouldn't call the kits ugly, but they certainly don't look like the Italian kit, and they will take alot of getting used to...
It is light blue with a brown shorts... it supposed to be a throwback to the 1934-1938 kit
Zeen...
Didn't even realize the shorts were brown until a closer look...Kinda look like when yuh black rossi shorts get wash out after a two games :D
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D chex in them rossis used to look boss. I doh really understand how that material used to wash out tho'
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the best kit was the 1990 navy blue with a white shorts..
is all kinda schupitness italy doing with the kit since then..
i think they had a light blue puma skin tight kit in either euro 96 or france 98 if i'm not mistaken.. but some of the designs is like they trying too much.. i see a white away kit with a navy blue V neck.. the current Italy kit i have from the last world cup is a paper thin kinda material and they also had another metro man blue kit some other time..
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Let's really put things in perspective, zeppo before you get happy blowing your vuvuzela too hard: Spain's empty Trophy case in the World Cup department is universally seen as underachievement, lil fella, while any results that you can brandish is equally seen as over achievement. On any given day, the usa can eke out a result against Germany, Brazil, England and Argentina and you will STILL never be seen as belonging in their company. As you proved yesterday, you didn't belong on the same field as Brazilian ball boys, so the result that Kasey Keller secured for you in the Gold Cup in 1998 is not something to tout as anything more than having had a lucky day (even small countries like my own have those from time to time) I will grant you that you embarrassed Portugal and eked out a loss to Germany, but when you compare third place in the inaugural World Cup tournament to getting eliminated in the group stage and being beaten by Ghana in 2006 along with all the results in between.......I wouldn't call that "steady progress" like you would, young man. (wait, didn't y'all lose to Iran in '98?) CONCACAF, the confederation which your country so dominates, has had a steady slot available to them since 1930. Cameroun's and Nigeria's accomplishments are what you would call steady progress, especially when you consider the fact that Africa did not start having a consistent slot in the World Cup until 1970. Your country and Mexico have dominated concacaf for more years than I have probably existed, that has never been in question, as far as I am concerned, but against top level competition, y'all don't matchup, y'all don't belong, and y'all prove that time and time again. (Beware of Egypt on Sunday)
Also, when you talk about your pro league being only 13 years old, please don't forget that the mls msl misled is merely a rehashing of the NASL and all other associated leagues which were unsustainable because there was hardly the local talent (and even less local interest) to feed it.
See, zeppo, you're missing my point and I am not surprised. I should have given up when I saw you try to use Spain as some sort of "point" to sustain your argument and I was even more appalled that you would pluralize "World Cup" with an apostrophe "s" but if I stuck with you that you might try to apply a little "perspective" and learn something. The usa can dominate CONCACAF and Mexico all you want. TRUST when I tell you that scattered victories against big teams neither bother nor impress me. I know that sooner or later, even 5 World Cups from now, your team will STILL be made to look like they were yesterday.
Go ahead then and keep ignoring our upward curve. All the hot air in your posting does nothing to mask your fear.
:devil:
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Italy rolls out the excuses after Egypt loss
By ANDREW DAMPF, AP Sports Writer
South Africa (AP)—Italy had far more excuses than goals. ;D
A 1-0 loss to Egypt on Thursday in the Confederations Cup was not received well back home. Gazzetta dello Sport labeled the Italian players “mummies.”
“We knew beforehand that this Confederations Cup is a test to prepare for the World Cup and that there would be experiments,” Italy goalkeeper Gianluigi Buffon said. “This isn’t the biggest tournament. Sure it would be nice to win, but it’s not at the level of a World Cup or European Championship.”
The loss to Egypt was shaped by a failed experiment in attack, with coach Marcello Lippi testing Giuseppe Rossi at center forward, surrounded by Vincenzo Iaquinta and Fabio Quagliarella. The offense was stagnant until Luca Toni came off the bench in the second half.
“It’s senseless to massacre the coach and team now. If things don’t go well, Lippi has the insight to change,” Buffon said. “We can always go back to what we did before. There’s still a year before the World Cup.”
Buffon also pointed to injuries to key players Fabio Cannavaro and Gennaro Gattuso. Cannavaro missed Italy’s laborious 3-1 win over the United States with a right calf injury and Gattuso only returned from knee surgery in AC Milan’s final match of the Serie A season.
Antonio Di Natale missed the tournament with a long-term injury.
“We have a number of players returning from injury, guys that have been out for four or five months,” Buffon said. “But 14 or 15 of us are in great form. Italy is capable of beating Brazil, Spain and Brazil again. Yes, not just once, but twice.”
Italy now faces a difficult match with Brazil on Sunday to conclude group play. Brazil leads the group with six points, while Italy and Egypt have three each and the United States has none.
Spain is almost certain to win Group A, and will be the likely opponent if Italy reached the semifinals.
Cannavaro, one shy of Paolo Maldini’s record of 126 appearances for the national team, will remain with the team despite the death of his grandfather. Cannavaro was informed of his death after Thursday’s game.
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Let's really put things in perspective, zeppo before you get happy blowing your vuvuzela too hard: Spain's empty Trophy case in the World Cup department is universally seen as underachievement, lil fella, while any results that you can brandish is equally seen as over achievement. On any given day, the usa can eke out a result against Germany, Brazil, England and Argentina and you will STILL never be seen as belonging in their company. As you proved yesterday, you didn't belong on the same field as Brazilian ball boys, so the result that Kasey Keller secured for you in the Gold Cup in 1998 is not something to tout as anything more than having had a lucky day (even small countries like my own have those from time to time) I will grant you that you embarrassed Portugal and eked out a loss to Germany, but when you compare third place in the inaugural World Cup tournament to getting eliminated in the group stage and being beaten by Ghana in 2006 along with all the results in between.......I wouldn't call that "steady progress" like you would, young man. (wait, didn't y'all lose to Iran in '98?) CONCACAF, the confederation which your country so dominates, has had a steady slot available to them since 1930. Cameroun's and Nigeria's accomplishments are what you would call steady progress, especially when you consider the fact that Africa did not start having a consistent slot in the World Cup until 1970. Your country and Mexico have dominated concacaf for more years than I have probably existed, that has never been in question, as far as I am concerned, but against top level competition, y'all don't matchup, y'all don't belong, and y'all prove that time and time again. (Beware of Egypt on Sunday)
Also, when you talk about your pro league being only 13 years old, please don't forget that the mls msl misled is merely a rehashing of the NASL and all other associated leagues which were unsustainable because there was hardly the local talent (and even less local interest) to feed it.
See, zeppo, you're missing my point and I am not surprised. I should have given up when I saw you try to use Spain as some sort of "point" to sustain your argument and I was even more appalled that you would pluralize "World Cup" with an apostrophe "s" but if I stuck with you that you might try to apply a little "perspective" and learn something. The usa can dominate CONCACAF and Mexico all you want. TRUST when I tell you that scattered victories against big teams neither bother nor impress me. I know that sooner or later, even 5 World Cups from now, your team will STILL be made to look like they were yesterday.
Go ahead then and keep ignoring our upward curve. All the hot air in your posting does nothing to mask your fear.
:devil:
;D I have to give it to you.....you truly are full of that true grit and american spirit that so typifies your (women's) team. All I ask is one question: That "fear" that you claim to be smelling in me, zeppo...what is it that I am afraid of?
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(wait, didn't y'all lose to Iran in '98?)
Oh yes they did!!....I never root for a terrorist nation before like I did that day.... :devil: ;D
Mango I tired tell Zeppo to tell he compatriots to give up on football and go back to baseball and stop embarrassing themselves (and CONCACAF by extension) on the world stage....is how much more cut arse they goh take before dey realise dey eh ready??!!
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If yuh cah beat them, rejoice when somebody else beat dem :)
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Beasley apologizes to US teammates for mistake
http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/9703154/Beasley-apologizes-to-US-teammates-for-mistake (http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/9703154/Beasley-apologizes-to-US-teammates-for-mistake)
PRETORIA, South Africa (AP) - DaMarcus Beasley apologized to his United States teammates for his part in the mix-up that led to a crucial goal in a 3-0 Confederations Cup loss to Brazil.
The Americans were trailing 1-0 Thursday when Beasley failed to read a short corner move from fellow midfielder Landon Donovan.
Unfortunately for Beasley, this was the five-time World Cup champions the United States was playing against. The ball was swept up the other end of the field and within seconds was nestled in the back of the net.
Robinho's deftly placed finish put Brazil ahead 2-0 after just 20 minutes and well on the way to a 3-0 win against a disorganized opponent.
"The ball just went off my foot, that was it," Beasley said Friday. "I don't think I've ever had a mistake like that lead to a goal in my whole career, so I was pretty disappointed with myself.
"When you lose a ball like that, it doesn't matter, you're on the field and you have a team that can put two or three passes together and go through on your goal. But it's football and it happens. I apologized to my teammates that I'd make a mistake."
With South African fans blowing on their noisy vuvuzela trumpets at Loftus Versfeld Stadium, Beasley said he simply didn't hear a call from Donovan to expect the kick.
The ball ran to defender Andre Santos to clear and, with Beasley slapping the ground in frustration, former world player of the year Kaka helped the ball to Ramires.
Ramires drifted out to the right and rolled a pass across the edge of the area to the onrushing Robinho, who scored with a well-placed low shot and celebrated the breathtaking move by faking an interview into a microphone at the advertising board to the right of the goal. :rotfl:
"At first I didn't think Landon was going to play the ball," Beasley said. "I thought he kind of hesitated so as soon as he played it, I was still looking back to see if someone was coming and the ball was right there.
"It went on my foot. That's all I can say. It happened and I felt terrible for it."
Beasley wasn't the only one offering apologies to his teammates - Sacha Kljestan said sorry for his 57th-minute red card for a foul on Ramires - but the Rangers midfielder is pretty sure his colleagues will have no problem forgiving him.
"I've been around a long time and I think they know me and what I bring to the team in my play on my part," Beasley said. "It happens in football. It happened to me and I'm sure it won't be the last time it happens to anyone."
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Mecca is this way.
(http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/c1/fullj.285a8bedb5a367ed7cf4545b9a27769a/285a8bedb5a367ed7cf4545b9a27769a-getty-88153393lg012_egypt_v_italy.jpg)
Can you imagine the effect this image will have on Egyptian national pride. You just can't beat football for these kind of moments..... Brilliant !
What we don't understand in the west is that them fellas don't live by our set of rules, so to us this may look like ah show, but for them this is like 2nd nature.
to them their religon ( way of life) is every thing, whether cristian, muslim , or jewish. so they put God in every thing they do.
remember most of them men doh drink and run down punash like us westerners. for the most part they live pretty straight lace life styles, and will give their lives for what ever cause they defend in ah one.
in ah nut shell, they live by totally different set of rules.
Just cool.....I telling you right now...dem men is de biggest set ah limers, shit talkers, weed smokers, nanny chasers it have on this planet. Well, at least dey right up there with the bes ah dem. And that is right after they just done kneel down on a mat in a corner somewhere at de back of the library (Is my own experience with dem I talking about). People eh no different no matter where on this planet yuh come from.
Remeber i said for the MOST PART!! ppl need tuh read properly and stop taking things out of context.
now let me ask yuh this, how much arabs yuh know? and ah have ah felling if yuh hang out with, talk too, observe, play ball with, live in the same city with, i'm sure yuh don't know ah 100,000 ah dem, and though the ones yuh know may have western and secular values,more than ever, the most of dem hold fast to their culture and way of life.
i also know rum drinking pot smoking arabs, but for every wayward, there are ten observing. that statement you made could be comparable with saying most trini's like tuh rob and gang bang.
;D
I will limit my comment to Egyptian ballers I know ... dey punashy :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Have big ride as a 'nash magnet, will spend dunzah as a 'nash magnet, and will inveigle slackness with ANY and ALL resources at dey disposal ... in hot pursuit ah de 'nash ... dey name MAN.
Question: as seductive as the photo is ... is it any more significant than men entering de pitch making de sign ah de cross or flashing a Jesus tee? It jes different for de unfamiliar ... iz how many Gambian goals get celebrated said way?
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Man blamin de vuvuzelas yes.
Well look at my crosses.
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Mecca is this way.
(http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/c1/fullj.285a8bedb5a367ed7cf4545b9a27769a/285a8bedb5a367ed7cf4545b9a27769a-getty-88153393lg012_egypt_v_italy.jpg)
Can you imagine the effect this image will have on Egyptian national pride. You just can't beat football for these kind of moments..... Brilliant !
What we don't understand in the west is that them fellas don't live by our set of rules, so to us this may look like ah show, but for them this is like 2nd nature.
to them their religon ( way of life) is every thing, whether cristian, muslim , or jewish. so they put God in every thing they do.
remember most of them men doh drink and run down punash like us westerners. for the most part they live pretty straight lace life styles, and will give their lives for what ever cause they defend in ah one.
in ah nut shell, they live by totally different set of rules.
Just cool.....I telling you right now...dem men is de biggest set ah limers, shit talkers, weed smokers, nanny chasers it have on this planet. Well, at least dey right up there with the bes ah dem. And that is right after they just done kneel down on a mat in a corner somewhere at de back of the library (Is my own experience with dem I talking about). People eh no different no matter where on this planet yuh come from.
Remeber i said for the MOST PART!! ppl need tuh read properly and stop taking things out of context.
now let me ask yuh this, how much arabs yuh know? and ah have ah felling if yuh hang out with, talk too, observe, play ball with, live in the same city with, i'm sure yuh don't know ah 100,000 ah dem, and though the ones yuh know may have western and secular values,more than ever, the most of dem hold fast to their culture and way of life.
i also know rum drinking pot smoking arabs, but for every wayward, there are ten observing. that statement you made could be comparable with saying most trini's like tuh rob and gang bang.
;D
I will limit my comment to Egyptian ballers I know ... dey punashy :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Have big ride as a 'nash magnet, will spend dunzah as a 'nash magnet, and will inveigle slackness with ANY and ALL resources at dey disposal ... in hot pursuit ah de 'nash ... dey name MAN.
Question: as seductive as the photo is ... is it any more significant than men entering de pitch making de sign ah de cross or flashing a Jesus tee? It jes different for de unfamiliar ... iz how many Gambian goals get celebrated said way?
The operative words here are ballers i know. not the whole arab or egyptian world.
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Yep ...
but I omitted they will still face Mecca at the requisite time ... on a good day ;) ... Human foibles?
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The operative words here are ballers i know. not the whole arab or egyptian world.
You know the whole arab or egyptian world?
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allya never see dem muslims in TnT wid de Bar in their trunks :devil:
The operative words here are ballers i know. not the whole arab or egyptian world.
You know the whole arab or egyptian world?
oh gord oh
allya quick wid de retorts oui ;D
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men who does get dem soccer catalog know dem is only Confed Cup unis.....on ah more serious note, ah finally get de chance to watch Egypt v Italy, i was never in the conspiracy theory thing and i eh watch the 2nd half yet...but for Egypt goal, allyuh know was 9-italians (not counting de man at the top of de 18) versus 4-Egyptians, Tivo/DVR men watch dat replay and tell me....in de 39 minute ah the 1st half??
ah mean is not like if dey is de Socawarriors nah, nah, nah ah shouldn't go dey but seriously dat goal look too easy man
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South Africa vs Spain:
South Africa has been improving as each game goes by.
Iraq has proven to be a tougher opponent than I thought in the first game. But that's typical of a Bora team.
This is a good game thus far.
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Man blamin de vuvuzelas yes.
Well look at my crosses.
:rotfl: :rotfl: the root of ALL evil
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de NZ team is also de rugby team them modda ass strong.
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Penalty!
SAVE!!!!!
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David Villa got back good.
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GOAL!!!
That all happen so fast...
David Villa get the penalty saved, then not even 30 seconds later get the ball back in the run of play and puts it into the bottom corner.
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what a PK save by the SA keeper....oh...villa redeem himself with a clumsy goal!!!!
Big Up!
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Why Harkes calling this game?
He should be on espn 2 talking about how NZ does play in black, and when he was at DC they used to play in black to, and it was hot...
At least I know tomorrow, I won't have to hear this fool for Brazil - Italy
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2-0 to Spain now.
The South-African Trini warming up.
Expect to see good chances and plenty throw-away
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it jus amazes me that busquets basically started d season on barca b team. wow
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That was the ultimate corbeaux sweat
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South africa have ah real nice knock yow! them men playing like robots! each position is adequatly filled with no wasted possesions. i have tuh say, i'm really impressed.
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brasilia v italia in about 20.
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Brazil-Italy good game so far... Both teams have come out guns blazing..
Italy started a bit quicker but Brazil has had more looks on goal so far (they already hit the post).
Pirlo's compass a bit off so far.
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usa 1 nil
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jeezan ages italy get away
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Brazil shoulda had one by now...
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fabiano in de 37th
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that look franocoment offside!
anybody watching the US- Egypt game?
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dat was not offside, splendid 1st touch from ah bullet pass...
recording the USA game while watching this one
Big Up!
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Brazil deservedly gets one...They've bossed this game after the first 10 mins...
Italy too loose in the middle of the field.
1-0 Brazil...
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that look franocoment offside!
anybody watching the US- Egypt game?
Replay showed it was clearly onside...
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Fabianoooooo!!!!!
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2 nil Brasil!!! great build up play with Kaka and Robinho..
Big Up!
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fabiano again.2 nil brasilia.
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that look franocoment offside!
anybody watching the US- Egypt game?
Replay showed it was clearly onside...
At first I thought it was offside, but glad that the replay prove me wrong........uh-oh....2 - 0!
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that look franocoment offside!
anybody watching the US- Egypt game?
Replay showed it was clearly onside...
Yeah. good goal.
USA in the semis at this point...
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GOOOOAAAALLLLLL
3 - 0
Italy falling apart. They could collect 6
I thought Italy was known for defending.
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3 nil.ah own goal by italy
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Own goal.....3 nil :rotfl:
Big Up!
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Brazil 3
Italy 0
Italy looking lost...
Brazil could write the manual on how to counter-attack....geez.
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allyuh see that dummy by robinho in de second goal :rotfl: put ah man on he backside
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allyuh see that dummy by robinho in de second goal :rotfl: put ah man on he backside
I still in 2 minds about if that was a dummy or just a miss
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come on egypt.
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allyuh see that dummy by robinho in de second goal :rotfl: put ah man on he backside
I still in 2 minds about if that was a dummy or just a miss
He ketch me too! :rotfl:
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that look franocoment offside!
anybody watching the US- Egypt game?
Replay showed it was clearly onside...
Yeah. good goal.
USA in the semis at this point...
egypt and brazil would advance if these scores dont change
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come on egypt.
Starting to wonder if Egypt is one of those teams that only plays up against big opposition.
They've been struggling in WCQ...
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wdmc dread! steups...
Toni playing ah whack ah shit..
Dossena.. steups, dey couldnt give Santon ah run? And how De Rossi go miss de whole ball skating in on the second goal?
And can someone tell me why Mauro Camoranesi is rated so highly as to be able to consistently start for Italy and Juventus?
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pharoahs comin hard in de 2nd.
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wdmc dread! steups...
Toni playing ah whack ah shit..
Dossena.. steups, dey couldnt give Santon ah run? And how De Rossi go miss de whole ball skating in on the second goal?
And can someone tell me why Mauro Camoranesi is rated so highly as to be able to consistently start for Italy and Juventus?
Is de dam vuvuzelas!! Ban dey MC!!!
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wdmc dread! steups...
Toni playing ah whack ah shit..
Dossena.. steups, dey couldnt give Santon ah run? And how De Rossi go miss de whole ball skating in on the second goal?
And can someone tell me why Mauro Camoranesi is rated so highly as to be able to consistently start for Italy and Juventus?
Is because they fighting down the local-based ;)
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And how De Rossi go miss de whole ball skating in on the second goal?
I think he was tackling where Robinho's first touch was gonna be- except Robinho dummied the ball, and the rest is history.
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After Soca Warriors Brazil IS boss!! Beat they arse!!! and all who worship European ballers!!!
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Rossi now breed a man in true savannah fashion....
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Rossi now breed a man in true savannah fashion....
Is only fair....because Brazil Breedin Italy HARD in dis game. ;D
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:rotfl: :rotfl:
oh sh!t allyuh see Lucio just now :rotfl:
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Lucio like he was vex Rossi breed de man so stink he decide to coast on him in a one-on-one sprint off...lol
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Impressed with this Ramires fella for Brazil...
Man take Elano spot and backin' it up with some solid, very athletic play...
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:rotfl: :rotfl:
oh sh!t allyuh see Lucio just now :rotfl:
Like he limin' wid Usain Bolt dese days... :D
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USA get tief jess now. Blatant handball on de line. Shoulda be a penalty and (most likely) 2-0.
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And why da youth man with the ice cream on his face hadda get so much airtime- must have some decent lookin' smallees in the crowd
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italy now knockin ball.
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somebody get a stink beat from de brazil left back lorrrrrd :rotfl:
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usa leadin 2 nil now.
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Rossi striking that ball like it owe him money
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so it go b spain v usa.
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somebody get a stink beat from de brazil left back lorrrrrd :rotfl:
Pepe...
Twisted and turned by A.Santos...(another impressive Brazil debutant)..
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I know my pops enjoying this. A good Father's day present.
Brazil is he squad since the earth was black and white.
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Football bloody hell! How could people not like Brazil! I wouldn't mind Italy going tru just tuh geh a rematch with Italy playin dey better brand like dey doin in the second half and Brazil playin how dey did in the first half. Come on Italy we need a goal! Send f**kin USA home!
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Egypt sell out or what?
How yuh go score 3 on Brazil, beat Italy and be looking like crap vs the US?
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Egypt sell out or what?
How yuh go score 3 on Brazil, beat Italy and be looking like crap vs the US?
Dem "break" twice in ah short space of time so now they spent ;D
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Egypt sell out or what?
How yuh go score 3 on Brazil, beat Italy and be looking like crap vs the US?
is d hoes
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Is that Kleberson warming up for Brazil? He still alive?
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Egypt sell out or what?
How yuh go score 3 on Brazil, beat Italy and be looking like crap vs the US?
That is Egypt problem they inconsistent. 2-time African Champions yet they struggling to qualify for the WC and fail to qualify for the last 2.
I figured the US would beat them but not 3-0.
Didn't expect Italy to be this porous though, Brazil cutting through them at will
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fuss brazil putting down ah bess knock, even they own players getting catch..like how fabiano just collect ah drag from maicon and end up stumbling...
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Egypt sell out or what?
How yuh go score 3 on Brazil, beat Italy and be looking like crap vs the US?
Are you one of them that still underates the US?keep your hopes up Breds.Sometimes i wonder if is we just don't like the US or is it they really not playing good Football.
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Kicker,
You are right, it is Kleberson. I think he playing for Flamengo
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Back in times United player. Damn Lucio must be an excellent dancer!
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so usa goin thru?..lawd look how zeppo goin an start now
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Egypt sell out or what?
How yuh go score 3 on Brazil, beat Italy and be looking like crap vs the US?
.Sometimes i wonder if is we just don't like the US or is it they really not playing good Football.
Both!
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so usa goin thru?..lawd look how zeppo goin an start now
spain will crush them
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Egypt sell out or what?
How yuh go score 3 on Brazil, beat Italy and be looking like crap vs the US?
Are you one of them that still underates the US?keep your hopes up Breds.Sometimes i wonder if is we just don't like the US or is it they really not playing good Football.
I ent mention nothing about the US play.
Look at how Egypt playing. They looking like they was happy with a 1-0 loss and still move to the Semis
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Chow..Zeppo coming for yuh :devil:
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Zeppo will have every right to be happy....3-0!?!?!?and dis US team supposed to be so shitty...ah know de anti-US men on de forum eh liking dis one atall, atall, atall....Go Brazil!!!!!
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Chow..Zeppo coming for yuh :devil:
Is Fadda's Day. ALL de little chirren aroung de world goin an look fuh dey fadda today, so let 'im come. ;D
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Landon (radar) donovan is ah real jumbie yes!! :devil: BTW Egypt is ah shyte team! :devil:
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that 2nd half was much more like it.. Rossi showed why he shouldve been starting this game.
I dont know if allyuh men does follow this Italy side, but imo Daniele De Rossi's international career has been a true disappointment. From indiscipline and getting put out at crucial tournaments to lacklustre performances for somebody of his reputation...
Time for italy to go in fresh blood.. Santon, Rossi, Balotelli, Pepe, Montolivo is the future.
Ah find nobody eh talking Felipe Melo. Man eh put ah foot wrong whole game. Who he playing for?
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Egypt sell out or what?
How yuh go score 3 on Brazil, beat Italy and be looking like crap vs the US?
Are you one of them that still underates the US?keep your hopes up Breds.Sometimes i wonder if is we just don't like the US or is it they really not playing good Football.
I ent mention nothing about the US play.
Look at how Egypt playing. They looking like they was happy with a 1-0 loss and still move to the Semis
Let's face it..Egypt it shit. The Brazilians were cruising 3-1 at the half against them...they said jetlag and fatigue caught up with them in the 2nd half. Everyone thought it was excuses, excuses...but it looks like it was true. They were extremely lucky against Italy and shoulda colleck at least 4 in the 2nd half alone. And look how Brazil pop down Italy normal normal. Egypt luck ran out. They having a hard time in qualifying..they have a nice brand, but de 4-3 loss and the 1-0 win was apparently them overachieving.
US is shit too..But the only team I didn't want to go through was Italy. Egypt couldn't get the job done, so I glad the US obliged. Great day of ball. Laters Italy
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the eagle strikes again..
If dey beat Spain.. I aint go be surprised..that is the kinda team dey is
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that 2nd half was much more like it.. Rossi showed why he shouldve been starting this game.
I dont know if allyuh men does follow this Italy side, but imo Daniele De Rossi's international career has been a true disappointment. From indiscipline and getting put out at crucial tournaments to lacklustre performances for somebody of his reputation...
Time for italy to go in fresh blood.. Santon, Rossi, Balotelli, Pepe, Montolivo is the future.
Ah find nobody eh talking Felipe Melo. Man eh put ah foot wrong whole game. Who he playing for?
Hoss...Melo is a big player for Fiorentina. As ah Italy fan yuh disappoint meh dey.
doh talk about Italy 2nd half nah. It was already 3-0..dat half doh count for nutten. Doh study it..Italy is a big side. I wouldn't watch dem slight in 2010 at all
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the eagle strikes again..
If dey beat Spain.. I aint go be surprised..that is the kinda team dey is munny does pass :devil:
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Like de man/men who break in Egypt room tief dey game, too boy......Oh lawd.....dat statement leave open a lot of possibilities! ;D
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Chow..Zeppo coming for yuh
I think poor Mango Chump just swallowed his vuvuzela.
:devil: :devil: :devil:
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Ah find nobody eh talking Felipe Melo. Man eh put ah foot wrong whole game. Who he playing for?
Fiorentina- had a big season last season...
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Good day of matches...
Brazil cruised, Italy flopped, Egypt flattered to deceive, and Bob Bradley saved his job.
Looks like a head on collision for Brazil & Spain in the final as most neutrals would have hoped for....
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that 2nd half was much more like it.. Rossi showed why he shouldve been starting this game.
I dont know if allyuh men does follow this Italy side, but imo Daniele De Rossi's international career has been a true disappointment. From indiscipline and getting put out at crucial tournaments to lacklustre performances for somebody of his reputation...
Time for italy to go in fresh blood.. Santon, Rossi, Balotelli, Pepe, Montolivo is the future.
Ah find nobody eh talking Felipe Melo. Man eh put ah foot wrong whole game. Who he playing for?
Hoss...Melo is a big player for Fiorentina. As ah Italy fan yuh disappoint meh dey.
doh talk about Italy 2nd half nah. It was already 3-0..dat half doh count for nutten. Doh study it..Italy is a big side. I wouldn't watch dem slight in 2010 at all
damn, well fiorentina is the one side i eh see much of this season.. Ah blame FSC for hardly carrying their games.
yeah i eh worried about Italy.. normal procedure..
Fall off bad in the year before world cup, struggle through qualifying and scrape through to the finals.. everybody go write them off, they go struggle through their World cup first round group, then boom next thing u know they in the finals..
On another note i cyah believe them Egyptians hands the ball off the line again, and get away with it this time. Too bad for Egypt, but that should teach them to party and brush hoes after you qualify from group stages not before.
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Chow..Zeppo coming for yuh
I think poor Mango Chump just swallowed his vuvuzela.
:devil: :devil: :devil:
It sure beats what Spain will have you and your team swallowing on Wednesday!
:devil: :devil: :devil:
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Chow..Zeppo coming for yuh
I think poor Mango Chump just swallowed his vuvuzela.
:devil: :devil: :devil:
It sure beats what Spain will have you and your team swallowing on Wednesday!
:devil: :devil: :devil:
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Damn Chow is fadder's day, take it easy nuh man!
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Chow..Zeppo coming for yuh
I think poor Mango Chump just swallowed his vuvuzela.
:devil: :devil: :devil:
It sure beats what Spain will have you and your team swallowing on Wednesday!
:devil: :devil: :devil:
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Damn Chow is fadder's day, take it easy nuh man!
Every good father knows that he has to administer tough love from time to time......especially when is a outside chile. ;D
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that 2nd half was much more like it..
lol you serious? Italy was done & dusted and Brazil was on autopilot going through the motions in the 2nd 45...and still it's only some speculative efforts from outside the box that gave Julio Ceasar some reasonably straight-forward action.
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U.S. headed to semis
On the verge of elimination and facing long odds, the United States came up with its best performance at a major international tournament in seven years and an improbable semifinal berth at the Confederations Cup.
Charlie Davies scored in the first half, and Michael Bradley and Clint Dempsey added goals in the final half hour to lead the United States over Egypt 3-0 Sunday.
The United States needed to win by three goals and have Italy lose by three, and that's exactly what happened.
(continue) (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/report?id=266847&cc=5739)
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Landon (radar) donovan is ah real jumbie yes!! :devil: BTW Egypt is ah shyte team! :devil:
only when Zidan not in the team
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U.S. headed to semis
On the verge of elimination and facing long odds, the United States came up with its best performance at a major international tournament in seven years and an improbable semifinal berth at the Confederations Cup.
Charlie Davies scored in the first half, and Michael Bradley and Clint Dempsey added goals in the final half hour to lead the United States over Egypt 3-0 Sunday.
The United States needed to win by three goals and have Italy lose by three, and that's exactly what happened.
(continue) (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/report?id=266847&cc=5739)
Go CONCACAF ;D
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Seriously Brazil play with more speed, variations, precision and less predictability without Ronaldiinho.
Kaka Robinho partnership is proving almost impossible to tie down. Their mobility is causing teams serious problems. Dunga made a master stroke leaving out Elano for a more stable defensive trio looking midfield. Allowing Kaka freedom to roam, his work rate and passing today was amazing.
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Seriously Brazil play with more speed, variations, precision and less predictability without Ronaldiinho.
Kaka Robinho partnership is proving almost impossible to tie down. Their mobility is causing teams serious problems. Dunga made a master stroke leaving out Elano for a more stable defensive trio looking midfield. Allowing Kaka freedom to roam, his work rate and passing today was amazing.
Without present day Ronaldinho yes I totally agree- though in the friendly against Italy earlier this year Ronaldinho had them busy in the 1st 45 and Brazil was as fluid as ever (the 1st 45 of the match was the most Brazil has looked like Brazil in a very long time)....With Ronaldinho back to full fitness/sharpness I think Brazil would be as close to unstoppable as most nat'l teams get.
The Elano exclusion for Ramires is a good move too I agree. I'm not sure if it stabilizes the midfield defensively but I think Ramires is quicker on the counter attack (which appears to be Brazil's specialty) and a bit more difficult to defend against than Elano...On his day though, Elano scores big goals...and he plays a steady box to box role
Kaka Robinho is a deadly combo, but the unsung hero in that attacking combo is Luis Fabiano...He's not my favorite type of player to watch and he doesn't have the individual creativity of Robinho, but he has a sick eye for goal and his off the ball movement is tireless. Andre Santos is a nice lil left back too- good skill. I wonder if Marcelo can displace him...Marcelo looked to be getting good form toward the end of this season- thought that position was his.
Maicon is def better than Dani Alves overall as a player, but Alves' crossing ability is second to none...Maicon's crossing could use some work...If there's a way to have them on the field at the same time that would be a nightmare of a right side to defend against....
Felipe Melo is the new Rock in the middle- reminds me of Mauro Silva....Great baller winner with the touch of a creative middie when in possession...looks like he's cementing his position in the line up...
Brazil's biggest challenges in years to come look to be replacing the Lucio & Juan combo in the hole- They've been the twin towers there for sometime but they both getting up there in age (both in their 30's now)...Interested to see who will step in and if the transition will be seamless.
Also look for R9 Ronaldo to challenge for a WC2010 spot on the roster...I eh counting him out.... ;D
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Chow..Zeppo coming for yuh
I think poor Mango Chump just swallowed his vuvuzela.
:devil: :devil: :devil:
It sure beats what Spain will have you and your team swallowing on Wednesday!
:devil: :devil: :devil:
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Damn Chow is fadder's day, take it easy nuh man!
Every good father knows that he has to administer tough love from time to time......especially when is a outside chile. ;D
allyuh trying real hard boy ::)
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Chow..Zeppo coming for yuh
I think poor Mango Chump just swallowed his vuvuzela.
:devil: :devil: :devil:
It sure beats what Spain will have you and your team swallowing on Wednesday!
:devil: :devil: :devil:
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Damn Chow is fadder's day, take it easy nuh man!
Every good father knows that he has to administer tough love from time to time......especially when is a outside chile. ;D
allyuh trying real hard boy ::)
How else can we ever grow up to be like you? :angel:
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Italy never deserved that world cup
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Italy never deserved that world cup
The bogus penalty they were awarded against Australia reinforces that.
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Italy never deserved that world cup
The bogus penalty they were awarded against Australia reinforces that.
And Maradona punched the ball in the goal with his hand against England.....Whoever wins the world cup deserves it...every winner has its fair share of luck (or cheating) along the way
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Italy never deserved that world cup
The bogus penalty they were awarded against Australia reinforces that.
And Maradona punched the ball in the goal with his hand against England.....Whoever wins the world cup deserves it...every winner has its fair share of luck (or cheating) along the way
well said, i wasnt impressed by italy but they did more than everybody else.
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Italy never deserved that world cup
The bogus penalty they were awarded against Australia reinforces that.
And Maradona punched the ball in the goal with his hand against England.....Whoever wins the world cup deserves it...every winner has its fair share of luck (or cheating) along the way
......and as long as people have opinions (which they are all entitled to), debates will always ensue as to whether or not one team or another "deserved" anything, whether it be a good result or a bad one. Fact is, Argentina looked far more convincing against England and throughout the tournament in '86 and hence, more "deserving" of winning that tournament than Italy looked against Australia and throughout that particular tournament in '06. The Australia game stands out in many people's minds and is debated just like Maradonna's "Hand of God" is. Argentina looked quite dominant against England and Maradonna's transgression may not have quite been the game changer that Italy's bogus penalty was especially at such a crucial time of the game. There was no guarantee that they, the footall icons, were going to beat Australia on PK's......every World Cup has its fair share of upsets along the way and maybe the referee in that game deprived us of one.
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... and Italy deserved to win the 2002 world cup in korea when the pudgy Ecuadorian ref blatantly tief dem out de tournament in the game against south korea..
and Italy was supposed to win world cup 1990 when they play all the ball against Argentina and still get knock out on pks in the semis.. Matter of fact Brazil deserved to be in that semi-final after they run Argentina off the park whole game only for Caniggia to feed Diego on one play that they execute and score.
not seeing the point of this argument. bottom line is the team that win any world cup deserve it.
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... and Italy deserved to win the 2002 world cup in korea when the pudgy Ecuadorian ref blatantly tief dem out de tournament in the game against south korea..
and Italy was supposed to win world cup 1990 when they play all the ball against Argentina and still get knock out on pks in the semis.. Matter of fact Brazil deserved to be in that semi-final after they run Argentina off the park whole game only for Caniggia to feed Diego on one play that they execute and score.
not seeing the point of this argument. bottom line is the team that win any world cup deserve it.
...not an argument, Omar. Just a difference of opinions.
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Did T&T deserve to be in the World Cup Finals in 2006?
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Did T&T deserve to be in the World Cup Finals in 2006?
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:...yuh real wicked palos.
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Zeppo will have every right to be happy....3-0!?!?!?and dis US team supposed to be so shitty...ah know de anti-US men on de forum eh liking dis one atall, atall, atall....Go Brazil!!!!!
I eh go lie, I can't stand that team, especially Donavon.
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U.S. shows passion and heart to rout Egypt
Bob Bradley could have looked at the scenarios the United States needed to advance in the Confederations Cup and decided that Sunday's game against Egypt would be a game to rest veterans and give youngsters a look. He could have decided, as most might have in his position, that beating Egypt 3-0 and having Italy lose 3-0 was such an improbability that even planning for that possibility would be crazy.
Bradley ignored all that and instead showed confidence in his team when there were plenty of reasons not to have confidence. He gave Tim Howard a rest, starting the capable Brad Guzan instead, but the rest of his lineup was as strong as he could field. He selected a starting lineup and showed faith in a group that responded with a performance that won't soon be forgotten.
Bradley watched his own son deliver a Father's Day present in the form of a clutch goal, then struggling veteran Clint Dempsey repaid Bradley's faith in him with a vital goal that helped the United States pull off a 3-0 win and edge out Egypt and Italy for a berth in the Confederations Cup semifinals after Italy collapsed in a 3-0 loss to Brazil.
(continue) (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=656438&sec=us&root=us&cc=5739)
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Italy never deserved that world cup
The bogus penalty they were awarded against Australia reinforces that.
And Maradona punched the ball in the goal with his hand against England.....Whoever wins the world cup deserves it...every winner has its fair share of luck (or cheating) along the way
......and as long as people have opinions (which they are all entitled to), debates will always ensue as to whether or not one team or another "deserved" anything, whether it be a good result or a bad one. Fact is, Argentina looked far more convincing against England and throughout the tournament in '86 and hence, more "deserving" of winning that tournament than Italy looked against Australia and throughout that particular tournament in '06. The Australia game stands out in many people's minds and is debated just like Maradonna's "Hand of God" is. Argentina looked quite dominant against England and Maradonna's transgression may not have quite been the game changer that Italy's bogus penalty was especially at such a crucial time of the game. There was no guarantee that they, the footall icons, were going to beat Australia on PK's......every World Cup has its fair share of upsets along the way and maybe the referee in that game deprived us of one.
sure you're entitled to your opinion. apparently i'm not entitled to mine. you agreed with gunnerstunner..i did not. so not sure what the snarky comment in your opening was about.
who cares how impressive Argentina looked. inferior teams beat superior teams in the world cup all the time. just like you said in your close. the ref very well may have deprived us of an upset. there is no concept such as deserved unless the referees materially influenced the game with bad calls. And on that point, England deserved to be at 1-1 after Lineker's goal. But I understand what you mean by "deserve" and form that point of view..every team that wins it "deserves" it, imo. Maradona's handball was the worst of the two transgressions, since in many people's opinion, the Italy penalty was legit. There is noone who believes the Maradona handball was legit...not even blind Argentines. The only 'fact' is that Maradona had to cheat to guarantee that Argentina beat England. There is no measure as to whether they had a better chance of winning that game without Maradona's handball than Italy did without Totti's penalty. It can be argued that once Barnes came on, England made the better chances..and on any other day Lineker would have had a double. in the end..i was ecstatic that Argentina beat England...but they did not deserve it, no matter how you look at it..they cheated. sometimes the better team does not do enough to win and there is no telling how that game would have ended if both teams played within the rules of the game
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Go Spain!!!.... :devil:
Go South Africa!!!
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Go Spain!!!.... :devil:
Go South Africa!!!
This US win looks good for CONCACAF. defeating the African champs in such emphatic fashion in a game that matters counts for something. Obviously they choked against the likes of Italy and Brazil...but you get the feeling that Brazil and Italy could maul anyone on any given day. Look, Brazil even had the audacity to Drub Italy 3-0.
South Africa aside, CONCACAF has done better than CAF AND AFC. I wont even mention OCEANIA. In fact, if our teams do well in South Africa next year, i dont believe it would be far fetched for CONCACAF to lobby FIFA to switch our play-off spot with the 5th place CONMEBOL team to playoff with New zealand (almost certain to be the top finisher in Oceania).
I'd be surprised if New Zealand do any better than any of our 3 or possible 4 CONCACAF representatives, thats of course if New Zealand gets there.
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This US win looks good for CONCACAF.
People here ain't thinking about that. Too short-sighted.
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Italy never deserved that world cup
The bogus penalty they were awarded against Australia reinforces that.
And Maradona punched the ball in the goal with his hand against England.....Whoever wins the world cup deserves it...every winner has its fair share of luck (or cheating) along the way
......and as long as people have opinions (which they are all entitled to), debates will always ensue as to whether or not one team or another "deserved" anything, whether it be a good result or a bad one. Fact is, Argentina looked far more convincing against England and throughout the tournament in '86 and hence, more "deserving" of winning that tournament than Italy looked against Australia and throughout that particular tournament in '06. The Australia game stands out in many people's minds and is debated just like Maradonna's "Hand of God" is. Argentina looked quite dominant against England and Maradonna's transgression may not have quite been the game changer that Italy's bogus penalty was especially at such a crucial time of the game. There was no guarantee that they, the footall icons, were going to beat Australia on PK's......every World Cup has its fair share of upsets along the way and maybe the referee in that game deprived us of one.
sure you're entitled to your opinion. apparently i'm not entitled to mine. you agreed with gunnerstunner..i did not. so not sure what the snarky comment in your opening was about.
who cares how impressive Argentina looked. inferior teams beat superior teams in the world cup all the time. just like you said in your close. the ref very well may have deprived us of an upset. there is no concept such as deserved unless the referees materially influenced the game with bad calls. And on that point, England deserved to be at 1-1 after Lineker's goal. But I understand what you mean by "deserve" and form that point of view..every team that wins it "deserves" it, imo. Maradona's handball was the worst of the two transgressions, since in many people's opinion, the Italy penalty was legit. There is noone who believes the Maradona handball was legit...not even blind Argentines. The only 'fact' is that Maradona had to cheat to guarantee that Argentina beat England. There is no measure as to whether they had a better chance of winning that game without Maradona's handball than Italy did without Totti's penalty. It can be argued that once Barnes came on, England made the better chances..and on any other day Lineker would have had a double. in the end..i was ecstatic that Argentina beat England...but they did not deserve it, no matter how you look at it..they cheated. sometimes the better team does not do enough to win and there is no telling how that game would have ended if both teams played within the rules of the game
Nobody is "denying" you your entitlement to your opinion, Filho, stop acting like Drogba. Your assertion that every team that wins the WC "deserves" is a case-closed, end-of-discussion assertion and that is fine but beneath that assertion, debates will ensue and that is all I am saying so roll yuh sleeves back down, padnah. Of course there is no debate that Maradonna cheated, not even from me, so I eh no what you goin' on with about "blind Argentinians", however England had time to recover and the fact that they weren't able to just might have had as much to do with Maradonna's/Argentina's play as it did with his/their cheating. While there may be debate as to whether or not the ref "helped" Italy, (IMO it was a dive) the call came at a time that left Australia little or no time to recover, and (again) nor did Italy look convincing in that game, nor have they looked convincing ever since, so there are some that are going to say that they didn't "deserve" to win that game, and subsequently, of course, the World Cup. What I want to know is, what is wrong with me (or anybody) feeling that way? Sure, England created more chances when John Barnes came on. It also looked like Italy created more chances when Rossi came on yesterday, too. Does that mean that either of those teams "deserved" to or looked like they had a chance of winning? No, at least, not in my opinion. No different from the debate that may ensue over whether or not the usa "deserve" to be in the final four of the Confederations Cup over Egypt: over the course of three games, there are some who will feel that they didn't and some who will feel otherwise, especially since the two red cards they recieved will give ammunition to the latter side of that argument. Since it came down to one game, the usa "deserved" to win because they did what they had to do Egypt didn't so tough luck for Egypt. But there may be debates about it, all the same and that's the nature/result of competition, isn't it?
This US win looks good for CONCACAF.
People here ain't thinking about that. Too short-sighted.
usa winning looks good for the usa, not concacaf. Costa Rica, Guatemala, Mexico, El Salvador, T&T AND the usa doing well in FIFA tournaments looks good for cocacaf. Not just the two perennial super powers all the time, over and over again.
**** jack warner has been good for concacaf. He just hasn't been good for T&T football (but that's up for debate, I'm sure.)****
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usa winning looks good for the usa, not concacaf. Costa Rica, Guatemala, Mexico, El Salvador, T&T AND the usa doing well in FIFA tournaments looks good for cocacaf. Not just the two perennial super powers all the time, over and over again.
Flawed logic. Costa Rica do well, CONCACAF looks good, but USA do well, USA looks good? It might also be worth noting that the USA is not currently playing the best ball in CONCACAF...maybe COSTA RICA is.
Say waht you want, but this is an excellent result for CONCACAF football. Hope the USA go all the way to the finals, and win it to boot.
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usa winning looks good for the usa, not concacaf. Costa Rica, Guatemala, Mexico, El Salvador, T&T AND the usa doing well in FIFA tournaments looks good for cocacaf. Not just the two perennial super powers all the time, over and over again.
Flawed logic. Costa Rica do well, CONCACAF looks good, but USA do well, USA looks good? It might also be worth noting that the USA is not currently playing the best ball in CONCACAF...maybe COSTA RICA is.
Say waht you want, but this is an excellent result for CONCACAF football. Hope the USA go all the way to the finals, and win it to boot.
I never said that Costa Rica doing well is good for concacaf but not the usa. Get your facts straight and learn to read and understand what a writer is saying. I would really like to see the correlation between the usa doing well in this or any other tournament (as badly as they have looked, too) and concacaf as a whole when, the usa (and Mexico) have been getting results in the World Cup since 1930. There is no question that the usa has improved since its re-entry into the world stage in 1990. There is no question that Mexico are the other power house in our region and there is no question as to Costa Rica's potential. They showed what they are capable of in 1990 and they have not looked as good ever since but every now and then they get a result or show some kind of form. Those three teams are the status quo in concacaf. Jamaica's victory over an up-and-coming Japan in '98 and T&T's draw against Sweden in '06 is not enough for concacaf to rattle any sabres and say we are all that in international football. More teams like Haiti, Cuba, El Salvador, Guatemala, Canada, jamaica, Honduras, etc., have to step up and show that they can hang with some of the top teams for us to be taken more seriously and anything else you tell me is just a flawed attempt at logic.
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usa winning looks good for the usa, not concacaf. Costa Rica, Guatemala, Mexico, El Salvador, T&T AND the usa doing well in FIFA tournaments looks good for cocacaf. Not just the two perennial super powers all the time, over and over again.
Flawed logic. Costa Rica do well, CONCACAF looks good, but USA do well, USA looks good? It might also be worth noting that the USA is not currently playing the best ball in CONCACAF...maybe COSTA RICA is.
Say waht you want, but this is an excellent result for CONCACAF football. Hope the USA go all the way to the finals, and win it to boot.
I never said that Costa Rica doing well is good for concacaf but not the usa. Get your facts straight and learn to read and understand what a writer is saying. I would really like to see the correlation between the usa doing well in this or any other tournament (as badly as they have looked, too) and concacaf as a whole when, the usa (and Mexico) have been getting results in the World Cup since 1930. There is no question that the usa has improved since its re-entry into the world stage in 1990. There is no question that Mexico are the other power house in our region and there is no question as to Costa Rica's potential. They showed what they are capable of in 1990 and they have not looked as good ever since but every now and then they get a result or show some kind of form. Those three teams are the status quo in concacaf. Jamaica's victory over an up-and-coming Japan in '98 and T&T's draw against Sweden in '06 is not enough for concacaf to rattle any sabres and say we are all that in international football. More teams like Haiti, Cuba, El Salvador, Guatemala, Canada, jamaica, Honduras, etc., have to step up and show that they can hang with some of the top teams for us to be taken more seriously and anything else you tell me is just a flawed attempt at logic.
So until the likes of Wigan and Stoke start regularly challenging Barcelona or Milan, the successes of Man U and Chelsea, etc. are of no consequence to the status of the Premier League? Got it! Can't believe my logic was so flawed before.
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Nobody is "denying" you your entitlement to your opinion, Filho, stop acting like Drogba. Your assertion that every team that wins the WC "deserves" is a case-closed, end-of-discussion assertion and that is fine but beneath that assertion, debates will ensue and that is all I am saying so roll yuh sleeves back down, padnah. Of course there is no debate that Maradonna cheated, not even from me, so I eh no what you goin' on with about "blind Argentinians", however England had time to recover and the fact that they weren't able to just might have had as much to do with Maradonna's/Argentina's play as it did with his/their cheating. While there may be debate as to whether or not the ref "helped" Italy, (IMO it was a dive) the call came at a time that left Australia little or no time to recover, and (again) nor did Italy look convincing in that game, nor have they looked convincing ever since, so there are some that are going to say that they didn't "deserve" to win that game, and subsequently, of course, the World Cup. What I want to know is, what is wrong with me (or anybody) feeling that way? Sure, England created more chances when John Barnes came on. It also looked like Italy created more chances when Rossi came on yesterday, too. Does that mean that either of those teams "deserved" to or looked like they had a chance of winning? No, at least, not in my opinion. No different from the debate that may ensue over whether or not the usa "deserve" to be in the final four of the Confederations Cup over Egypt: over the course of three games, there are some who will feel that they didn't and some who will feel otherwise, especially since the two red cards they recieved will give ammunition to the latter side of that argument. Since it came down to one game, the usa "deserved" to win because they did what they had to do Egypt didn't so tough luck for Egypt. But there may be debates about it, all the same and that's the nature/result of competition, isn't it?
Chow..you have some issues you need to work out. I shoulda realize dat when you went on a mighty long diatribe about US soccer when you had a problem with Zeppo. The forum might not be the best place to do it tho. now calm down and go back a little and you will see that I presented my opinion the very same way you and GunnerStunner did...there is nothing 'case-closed' or 'end of discussion' about it. roll down my sleeves? don't act like Drogba? for what? a difference off opinion? hahaha. you see how men does get when people disagree with them...There is absolutely no difference in the way I present my oinion and the way you and GunnerStunner did. Look at the posts again...I guess it is only an opinion when it aligned with yours. You telling me that people should be allowed to have differences of opinion and look how juvenile you get as soon as there is a difference with yours...pot calling the kettle black. needed a good Monday morning laugh anyways...
Jed, yuh jes being an ass now. I does always tell yuh to roll down yuh sleeves and button yuh collar and it has always been purely in jest. There is nothing in anything I have said that claims you are supposed to agree with me or anything I say "or else". You are simply twisting things now. In fact, I am saying that because people have differing opinions, and differing views there are always going to be debates. That's all. Of course, if I were to take the stance that "whovever wins, deserves to win" then that leaves for little discussion and that, if anything seems juvenile to me.........at least, in my opinion.......but of course, I would be aligning my view with yours if I always felt that way, wouldn't I?
My diatribe with zeppo had everything to do with his comments about the South African people being able to "afford" tickets for this and next year's tournament and I am happy to have that issue because, to me, that strikes at the crux of a whole lot more things in life in Africa than have to do with football. You don't like it? Too bad, because I'm going to express myself whether or not you feel it's the best place for me to express it.
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usa winning looks good for the usa, not concacaf. Costa Rica, Guatemala, Mexico, El Salvador, T&T AND the usa doing well in FIFA tournaments looks good for cocacaf. Not just the two perennial super powers all the time, over and over again.
Flawed logic. Costa Rica do well, CONCACAF looks good, but USA do well, USA looks good? It might also be worth noting that the USA is not currently playing the best ball in CONCACAF...maybe COSTA RICA is.
Say waht you want, but this is an excellent result for CONCACAF football. Hope the USA go all the way to the finals, and win it to boot.
I never said that Costa Rica doing well is good for concacaf but not the usa. Get your facts straight and learn to read and understand what a writer is saying. I would really like to see the correlation between the usa doing well in this or any other tournament (as badly as they have looked, too) and concacaf as a whole when, the usa (and Mexico) have been getting results in the World Cup since 1930. There is no question that the usa has improved since its re-entry into the world stage in 1990. There is no question that Mexico are the other power house in our region and there is no question as to Costa Rica's potential. They showed what they are capable of in 1990 and they have not looked as good ever since but every now and then they get a result or show some kind of form. Those three teams are the status quo in concacaf. Jamaica's victory over an up-and-coming Japan in '98 and T&T's draw against Sweden in '06 is not enough for concacaf to rattle any sabres and say we are all that in international football. More teams like Haiti, Cuba, El Salvador, Guatemala, Canada, jamaica, Honduras, etc., have to step up and show that they can hang with some of the top teams for us to be taken more seriously and anything else you tell me is just a flawed attempt at logic.
So until the likes of Wigan and Stoke start regularly challenging Barcelona or Milan, the successes of Man U and Chelsea, etc. are of no consequence to the status of the Premier League? Got it! Can't believe my logic was so flawed before.
The status of the epl is as a direct result of the successes of the big four and maybe a couple other teams
outside of that but not because Wigan and Stoke have done anything. I'm quite sure the status of the epl in European football will grow even more when teams like Everton, Aston Villa, West Ham, ManCity, etc., start getting more positive results in European competitions, maybe even Wigan and Stoke too, but they have to first get there. Just like I'm sure that the status of concacaf will grow when more of the teams that want to carry the torch for concacaf can step up and show that they canget results and/or show some progress. Until then, it's just status the quo doing as they always do. How is that "good" for concacaf?
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Jed, yuh jes being an ass now. I does always tell yuh to roll down yuh sleeves and button yuh collar and it has always been purely in jest. There is nothing in anything I have said that claims you are supposed to agree with me or anything I say "or else". You are simply twisting things now. In fact, I am saying that because people have differing opinions, and differing views there are always going to be debates. That's all. Of course, if I were to take the stance that "whovever wins, deserves to win" then that leaves for little discussion and that, if anything seems juvenile to me.........at least, in my opinion.......but of course, I would be aligning my view with yours if I always felt that way, wouldn't I?
My diatribe with zeppo had everything to do with his comments about the South African people being able to "afford" tickets for this and next year's tournament and I am happy to have that issue because, to me, that strikes at the crux of a whole lot more things in life in Africa than have to do with football. You don't like it? Too bad, because I'm going to express myself whether or not you feel it's the best place for me to express it.
whatever you say yes Chow ::). I think it's pretty clear you overreacted to a simple opinion. your whole point was to somehow say i was not open to others difference of opinion..which is ironic given your failure to recognize that my post was simply a difference of opinion itself. it is absolutely ridiulous to say that the case is closed because i think the WC winner deserves it..it's not juvenile and it does not close the door to discussion, it's simply one point of view, for which numerous counter-arguments can be made. sorry you hit a mental roadblock with that statement..I'll try to simplify my opinions to less than 10 words next time...you real good yes. I juvenile and closed to debate by giving that opinion? give me a break. Or better yet..make a list of differences of opinion that acceptable to you and I'll try to comply.
Also, honestly you eh making no sense with any of the justifications you make for Maradona's handball vs Italy's penalty against Australia. Just my opinion...
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Nobody is "denying" you your entitlement to your opinion, Filho, stop acting like Drogba. Your assertion that every team that wins the WC "deserves" is a case-closed, end-of-discussion assertion and that is fine but beneath that assertion, debates will ensue and that is all I am saying so roll yuh sleeves back down, padnah. Of course there is no debate that Maradonna cheated, not even from me, so I eh no what you goin' on with about "blind Argentinians", however England had time to recover and the fact that they weren't able to just might have had as much to do with Maradonna's/Argentina's play as it did with his/their cheating. While there may be debate as to whether or not the ref "helped" Italy, (IMO it was a dive) the call came at a time that left Australia little or no time to recover,
game is the same length..time to recover is irrelevant. ever think that the fact that Australia did little to score during the game had something to do with Italy's play? And England did recover. They scored the same number of legit goals as Argentina. The fact that they didn't score as many goals as Argentina has nothing to do with Argentina's play, but the fact taht Argentina cheated. The fact that Argentina could not score enough legit goals has nothing to do with england's play?
and (again) nor did Italy look convincing in that game, nor have they looked convincing ever since, so there are some that are going to say that they didn't "deserve" to win that game, and subsequently, of course, the World Cup.
I guess you missed Italy school Germany in the semifinals, or their 1st 45 minutes against France in the final where they were clearly the better team and France beneftted by a big Malouda dive and 'undeserved' penalty.
What I want to know is, what is wrong with me (or anybody) feeling that way?
nothing. why the drama..where did I say it was wrong? i gave an opinion..you are projecting something unto that opinion that I frankly doh understand
Sure, England created more chances when John Barnes came on. It also looked like Italy created more chances when Rossi came on yesterday, too. Does that mean that either of those teams "deserved" to or looked like they had a chance of winning? No, at least, not in my opinion.
Big difference between 2-0 and 3-0 at this level, and once it was 2-1, England was far more in the game than Italy ever was yesterday. Poor analogy
No different from the debate that may ensue over whether or not the usa "deserve" to be in the final four of the Confederations Cup over Egypt: over the course of three games, there are some who will feel that they didn't and some who will feel otherwise, especially since the two red cards they recieved will give ammunition to the latter side of that argument. Since it came down to one game, the usa "deserved" to win because they did what they had to do Egypt didn't so tough luck for Egypt. But there may be debates about it, all the same and that's the nature/result of competition, isn't it?
you getting on like I am the Master of Debate Censure. I didn't know my opinions carry all dat weight ;)
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Jed, yuh jes being an ass now. I does always tell yuh to roll down yuh sleeves and button yuh collar and it has always been purely in jest. There is nothing in anything I have said that claims you are supposed to agree with me or anything I say "or else". You are simply twisting things now. In fact, I am saying that because people have differing opinions, and differing views there are always going to be debates. That's all. Of course, if I were to take the stance that "whovever wins, deserves to win" then that leaves for little discussion and that, if anything seems juvenile to me.........at least, in my opinion.......but of course, I would be aligning my view with yours if I always felt that way, wouldn't I?
My diatribe with zeppo had everything to do with his comments about the South African people being able to "afford" tickets for this and next year's tournament and I am happy to have that issue because, to me, that strikes at the crux of a whole lot more things in life in Africa than have to do with football. You don't like it? Too bad, because I'm going to express myself whether or not you feel it's the best place for me to express it.
whatever you say yes Chow ::). I think it's pretty clear you overreacted to a simple opinion. your whole point was to somehow say i was not open to others difference of opinion..which is ironic given your failure to recognize that my post was simply a difference of opinion itself. it is absolutely ridiulous to say that the case is closed because i think the WC winner deserves it..it's not juvenile and it does not close the door to discussion, it's simply one point of view, for which numerous counter-arguments can be made. sorry you hit a mental roadblock with that statement..I'll try to simplify my opinions to less than 10 words next time...you real good yes. I juvenile and closed to debate by giving that opinion? give me a break. Or better yet..make a list of differences of opinion that acceptable to you and I'll try to comply.
Also, honestly you eh making no sense with any of the justifications you make for Maradona's handball vs Italy's penalty against Australia. Just my opinion...
....and you are entitled to it and I don't care if it makes sense to you nor do I care what your intellectual ratings are or how many words you use. Maradona's hand ball helped Argentina win against England just like the ref's (many will say poor) call "helped" Italy beat Australia. That statement there or nothing else I say has to make any sense at all. It ain't supposed to. It's an opinion. All that other shit you talking is just your disappointment that I won't whither to your view. I was only joking when I tell yuh yuh acting like Drogba and I have since made it clear that I was only joking when I told you to roll down your sleeves (for the umpteenth time) but I guess since my opinion differs from yours, and I am just as willing to stand by my own convictions as you are to stand by yours, that somehow translates that I am trying to deny you your right to disagree with me? Kiss my ass boy. Yuh full o' shit.
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This US win looks good for CONCACAF.
People here ain't thinking about that. Too short-sighted.
sssttteeeuuupppsss....yeah like I would really take seriously anything RF pronounces on....GO SPAIN!!!... :devil:
Omar, ah glad to see yuh posting after the game....ah woulda been worried ;D...and I agree 1000% with you, the 2002 World Cup was Italy's for the taking, they were robbed blind!!...So even though I was upset when the referee awarded that bogus penalty in 2006 to them against Australia, I eventually chalked it up to karma being bitchy as usual....
Ah well on to the World Cup, btw Italy qualify for next year as yet?? :-\
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Nobody is "denying" you your entitlement to your opinion, Filho, stop acting like Drogba. Your assertion that every team that wins the WC "deserves" is a case-closed, end-of-discussion assertion and that is fine but beneath that assertion, debates will ensue and that is all I am saying so roll yuh sleeves back down, padnah. Of course there is no debate that Maradonna cheated, not even from me, so I eh no what you goin' on with about "blind Argentinians", however England had time to recover and the fact that they weren't able to just might have had as much to do with Maradonna's/Argentina's play as it did with his/their cheating. While there may be debate as to whether or not the ref "helped" Italy, (IMO it was a dive) the call came at a time that left Australia little or no time to recover, and (again) nor did Italy look convincing in that game, nor have they looked convincing ever since, so there are some that are going to say that they didn't "deserve" to win that game, and subsequently, of course, the World Cup. What I want to know is, what is wrong with me (or anybody) feeling that way? Sure, England created more chances when John Barnes came on. It also looked like Italy created more chances when Rossi came on yesterday, too. Does that mean that either of those teams "deserved" to or looked like they had a chance of winning? No, at least, not in my opinion. No different from the debate that may ensue over whether or not the usa "deserve" to be in the final four of the Confederations Cup over Egypt: over the course of three games, there are some who will feel that they didn't and some who will feel otherwise, especially since the two red cards they recieved will give ammunition to the latter side of that argument. Since it came down to one game, the usa "deserved" to win because they did what they had to do Egypt didn't so tough luck for Egypt. But there may be debates about it, all the same and that's the nature/result of competition, isn't it?
Chow..you have some issues you need to work out. I shoulda realize dat when you went on a mighty long diatribe about US soccer when you had a problem with Zeppo. The forum might not be the best place to do it tho. now calm down and go back a little and you will see that I presented my opinion the very same way you and GunnerStunner did...there is nothing 'case-closed' or 'end of discussion' about it. roll down my sleeves? don't act like Drogba? for what? a difference off opinion? hahaha. you see how men does get when people disagree with them...There is absolutely no difference in the way I present my oinion and the way you and GunnerStunner did. Look at the posts again...I guess it is only an opinion when it aligned with yours. You telling me that people should be allowed to have differences of opinion and look how juvenile you get as soon as there is a difference with yours...pot calling the kettle black. needed a good Monday morning laugh anyways...
ignore this...old post that I accidentally deleted that Chow already responded to. Just thought I'd put it back in case anyone was wondering where it went ;D
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Nobody is "denying" you your entitlement to your opinion, Filho, stop acting like Drogba. Your assertion that every team that wins the WC "deserves" is a case-closed, end-of-discussion assertion and that is fine but beneath that assertion, debates will ensue and that is all I am saying so roll yuh sleeves back down, padnah. Of course there is no debate that Maradonna cheated, not even from me, so I eh no what you goin' on with about "blind Argentinians", however England had time to recover and the fact that they weren't able to just might have had as much to do with Maradonna's/Argentina's play as it did with his/their cheating. While there may be debate as to whether or not the ref "helped" Italy, (IMO it was a dive) the call came at a time that left Australia little or no time to recover, and (again) nor did Italy look convincing in that game, nor have they looked convincing ever since, so there are some that are going to say that they didn't "deserve" to win that game, and subsequently, of course, the World Cup. What I want to know is, what is wrong with me (or anybody) feeling that way? Sure, England created more chances when John Barnes came on. It also looked like Italy created more chances when Rossi came on yesterday, too. Does that mean that either of those teams "deserved" to or looked like they had a chance of winning? No, at least, not in my opinion. No different from the debate that may ensue over whether or not the usa "deserve" to be in the final four of the Confederations Cup over Egypt: over the course of three games, there are some who will feel that they didn't and some who will feel otherwise, especially since the two red cards they recieved will give ammunition to the latter side of that argument. Since it came down to one game, the usa "deserved" to win because they did what they had to do Egypt didn't so tough luck for Egypt. But there may be debates about it, all the same and that's the nature/result of competition, isn't it?
Chow..you have some issues you need to work out. I shoulda realize dat when you went on a mighty long diatribe about US soccer when you had a problem with Zeppo. The forum might not be the best place to do it tho. now calm down and go back a little and you will see that I presented my opinion the very same way you and GunnerStunner did...there is nothing 'case-closed' or 'end of discussion' about it. roll down my sleeves? don't act like Drogba? for what? a difference off opinion? hahaha. you see how men does get when people disagree with them...There is absolutely no difference in the way I present my oinion and the way you and GunnerStunner did. Look at the posts again...I guess it is only an opinion when it aligned with yours. You telling me that people should be allowed to have differences of opinion and look how juvenile you get as soon as there is a difference with yours...pot calling the kettle black. needed a good Monday morning laugh anyways...
ignore this...old post that I accidentally deleted that Chow already responded to. Just thought I'd put it back in case anyone was wondering where it went ;D
;D No scene, Filho. I hope we still cool. :beermug:
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Nobody is "denying" you your entitlement to your opinion, Filho, stop acting like Drogba. Your assertion that every team that wins the WC "deserves" is a case-closed, end-of-discussion assertion and that is fine but beneath that assertion, debates will ensue and that is all I am saying so roll yuh sleeves back down, padnah. Of course there is no debate that Maradonna cheated, not even from me, so I eh no what you goin' on with about "blind Argentinians", however England had time to recover and the fact that they weren't able to just might have had as much to do with Maradonna's/Argentina's play as it did with his/their cheating. While there may be debate as to whether or not the ref "helped" Italy, (IMO it was a dive) the call came at a time that left Australia little or no time to recover,
game is the same length..time to recover is irrelevant. ever think that the fact that Australia did little to score during the game had something to do with Italy's play? And England did recover. They scored the same number of legit goals as Argentina. The fact that they didn't score as many goals as Argentina has nothing to do with Argentina's play, but the fact taht Argentina cheated. The fact that Argentina could not score enough legit goals has nothing to do with england's play?
and (again) nor did Italy look convincing in that game, nor have they looked convincing ever since, so there are some that are going to say that they didn't "deserve" to win that game, and subsequently, of course, the World Cup.
I guess you missed Italy school Germany in the semifinals, or their 1st 45 minutes against France in the final where they were clearly the better team and France beneftted by a big Malouda dive and 'undeserved' penalty.
What I want to know is, what is wrong with me (or anybody) feeling that way?
nothing. why the drama..where did I say it was wrong? i gave an opinion..you are projecting something unto that opinion that I frankly doh understand
Sure, England created more chances when John Barnes came on. It also looked like Italy created more chances when Rossi came on yesterday, too. Does that mean that either of those teams "deserved" to or looked like they had a chance of winning? No, at least, not in my opinion.
Big difference between 2-0 and 3-0 at this level, and once it was 2-1, England was far more in the game than Italy ever was yesterday. Poor analogy
No different from the debate that may ensue over whether or not the usa "deserve" to be in the final four of the Confederations Cup over Egypt: over the course of three games, there are some who will feel that they didn't and some who will feel otherwise, especially since the two red cards they recieved will give ammunition to the latter side of that argument. Since it came down to one game, the usa "deserved" to win because they did what they had to do Egypt didn't so tough luck for Egypt. But there may be debates about it, all the same and that's the nature/result of competition, isn't it?
you getting on like I am the Master of Debate Censure. I didn't know my opinions carry all dat weight ;)
I now seeing this......too bad because I woulda responded to every last one....as it is... I eh have the time no more.....but to make a last jook: YOU is the one getting on like you are the Master of Debate Censure. ;D
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....and you are entitled to it and I don't care if it makes sense to you nor do I care what your intellectual ratings are or how many words you use. Maradona's hand ball helped Argentina win against England just like the ref's (many will say poor) call "helped" Italy beat Australia. That statement there or nothing else I say has to make any sense at all. It ain't supposed to. It's an opinion. All that other shit you talking is just your disappointment that I won't whither to your view. I was only joking when I tell yuh yuh acting like Drogba and I have since made it clear that I was only joking when I told you to roll down your sleeves (for the umpteenth time) but I guess since my opinion differs from yours, and I am just as willing to stand by my own convictions as you are to stand by yours, that somehow translates that I am trying to deny you your right to disagree with me? Kiss my ass boy. Yuh full o' shit.
i not disappointed that we don't agree. at no point have i been disappointed or tried to change your opinion. i don't see the point. you made points, i made counterpoints. I never made any references asking why you can't see my way, or wondered how you could have such and such an opinion. i just pointed out where i disagreed. Eventually there was a lot of side noise, but I was basically engaging discussion behind your rationale and explaining my rationale. i apologize for some of the thinly veiled insults, but i can't stand when people put 'words in my mouth' and I felt like that was what you were doing and I reacted to that a little strongly..otherwise, is just my opinion i was putting down
besides, you'ze a brazil man. Anybody who respeck de selecao cool by me :beermug:
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Nobody is "denying" you your entitlement to your opinion, Filho, stop acting like Drogba. Your assertion that every team that wins the WC "deserves" is a case-closed, end-of-discussion assertion and that is fine but beneath that assertion, debates will ensue and that is all I am saying so roll yuh sleeves back down, padnah. Of course there is no debate that Maradonna cheated, not even from me, so I eh no what you goin' on with about "blind Argentinians", however England had time to recover and the fact that they weren't able to just might have had as much to do with Maradonna's/Argentina's play as it did with his/their cheating. While there may be debate as to whether or not the ref "helped" Italy, (IMO it was a dive) the call came at a time that left Australia little or no time to recover,
game is the same length..time to recover is irrelevant. ever think that the fact that Australia did little to score during the game had something to do with Italy's play? And England did recover. They scored the same number of legit goals as Argentina. The fact that they didn't score as many goals as Argentina has nothing to do with Argentina's play, but the fact taht Argentina cheated. The fact that Argentina could not score enough legit goals has nothing to do with england's play?
and (again) nor did Italy look convincing in that game, nor have they looked convincing ever since, so there are some that are going to say that they didn't "deserve" to win that game, and subsequently, of course, the World Cup.
I guess you missed Italy school Germany in the semifinals, or their 1st 45 minutes against France in the final where they were clearly the better team and France beneftted by a big Malouda dive and 'undeserved' penalty.
What I want to know is, what is wrong with me (or anybody) feeling that way?
nothing. why the drama..where did I say it was wrong? i gave an opinion..you are projecting something unto that opinion that I frankly doh understand
Sure, England created more chances when John Barnes came on. It also looked like Italy created more chances when Rossi came on yesterday, too. Does that mean that either of those teams "deserved" to or looked like they had a chance of winning? No, at least, not in my opinion.
Big difference between 2-0 and 3-0 at this level, and once it was 2-1, England was far more in the game than Italy ever was yesterday. Poor analogy
No different from the debate that may ensue over whether or not the usa "deserve" to be in the final four of the Confederations Cup over Egypt: over the course of three games, there are some who will feel that they didn't and some who will feel otherwise, especially since the two red cards they recieved will give ammunition to the latter side of that argument. Since it came down to one game, the usa "deserved" to win because they did what they had to do Egypt didn't so tough luck for Egypt. But there may be debates about it, all the same and that's the nature/result of competition, isn't it?
you getting on like I am the Master of Debate Censure. I didn't know my opinions carry all dat weight ;)
I now seeing this......too bad because I woulda responded to every last one....as it is... I eh have the time no more.....but to make a last jook: YOU is the one getting on like you are the Master of Debate Censure. ;D
haha. respeck breds
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I wonder how many ppl jumpin on the Brazil bandwagon?
I eh drinkin dat koolaid yet.
Sadly Brazil is turning into every other present-day, world-class football team. Hard working and swift on the counter.
I guess in a world where results are all that count, this was bound to happen.
RIP ginga
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I wonder how many ppl jumpin on the Brazil bandwagon?
I eh drinkin dat koolaid yet.
Sadly Brazil is turning into every other present-day, world-class football team. Hard working and swift on the counter.
I guess in a world where results are all that count, this was bound to happen.
RIP ginga
I not quite giving them this tournament yet. I hope they play well and beat South Africa......then I expect and hope that the fifa Rankings reflect the result of the (expected) final between them and Spain, however it turn out. I just want them to win.....at all times.
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This US win looks good for CONCACAF.
People here ain't thinking about that. Too short-sighted.
sssttteeeuuupppsss....yeah like I would really take seriously anything RF pronounces on....GO SPAIN!!!... :devil:
Omar, ah glad to see yuh posting after the game....ah woulda been worried ;D...and I agree 1000% with you, the 2002 World Cup was Italy's for the taking, they were robbed blind!!...So even though I was upset when the referee awarded that bogus penalty in 2006 to them against Australia, I eventually chalked it up to karma being bitchy as usual....
Ah well on to the World Cup, btw Italy qualify for next year as yet?? :-\
Italy almost there, is basically a formality now...
Girl, them fellahs embarass meh side yesterday. Heads hadda roll starting with Toni (not Lippi though).
Ah mean who is 30-something year old bake Lucio to be out-sprinting 20 year old Rossi and staring him down at the same time like is ah friggin pappy show?? This is Italy man!! Conceding 3 goals to any team on the planet goes against the very core of what an Italian national team signifies.
hopefully it was a wake up call.
PS: Ah tempted to argue the Australia penalty call eh.. Ah mean Grosso was coming in on goal and the Aussie fellah pelt he frame, lie down and get zero ball... ah mean, objectively speaking ;), what Grosso was supposed to do there besides go to ground after the defender impede his progress?
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Ppl wonder why Italy plays a defensive, boring brand of football.
Yesterday was the answer.
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I wonder how many ppl jumpin on the Brazil bandwagon?
I eh drinkin dat koolaid yet.
Sadly Brazil is turning into every other present-day, world-class football team. Hard working and swift on the counter.
I guess in a world where results are all that count, this was bound to happen.
RIP ginga
Good point Marcos.
Wha yuh expect from Dunga? But yesterday they look dam good doing it ;D And doing it to Italy sweeten de brew ;D
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I wonder how many ppl jumpin on the Brazil bandwagon?
I eh drinkin dat koolaid yet.
Sadly Brazil is turning into every other present-day, world-class football team. Hard working and swift on the counter.
I guess in a world where results are all that count, this was bound to happen.
RIP ginga
Good point Marcos.
Wha yuh expect from Dunga? But yesterday they look dam good doing it ;D And doing it to Italy sweeten de brew ;D
me ent care nah... i see plenty ginga yesterday...
ginga til i on de ground holding meh belly laughing
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Italy are quite capable of playing attractive, flowing football. They more than have the players to do it. But they are an example of where football becomes cultural.
It's not in Italy's football culture to play attractively for any consistent time period. They're a fight you to the death kind of team who are at their very best when their backs are against the wall and the odds are against them. A 10 man Italy is more dangerous than an Italian XI IMO. I doh like them as a team to watch but I respect de hell out of them and they have some absolutely fanatastic players. Always have and likely always will.
As for them not "deserving" to win WC 2006....I wonder who "deserved" to win it? Germany? Germany played the best they could possibly play against Italy and Italy flat out, straight up BEAT THEM. No bad calls. No teefin by de refs. Dey beat Germany in front dey own fans. Germany...who is one of the toughest team in ALL of foottball...especially at home.
Italy is a boss team. Yuh doh have to like dem.....but underestimate dem at yuh peril. Confederations Cup is nothing much in the overall scheme of things. If this was a World Cup tournament, this same Italian team would have found a way to qualify for the next round and once they have....EVERYBODY...including my side Brazil...would fear them.
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Italy are quite capable of playing attractive, flowing football. They more than have the players to do it. But they are an example of where football becomes cultural.
It's not in Italy's football culture to play attractively for any consistent time period. They're a fight you to the death kind of team who are at their very best when their backs are against the wall and the odds are against them. A 10 man Italy is more dangerous than an Italian XI IMO. I doh like them as a team to watch but I respect de hell out of them and they have some absolutely fanatastic players. Always have and likely always will.
As for them not "deserving" to win WC 2006....I wonder who "deserved" to win it? Germany? Germany played the best they could possibly play against Italy and Italy flat out, straight up BEAT THEM. No bad calls. No teefin by de refs. Dey beat Germany in front dey own fans. Germany...who is one of the toughest team in ALL of foottball...especially at home.
Italy is a boss team. Yuh doh have to like dem.....but underestimate dem at yuh peril. Confederations Cup is nothing much in the overall scheme of things. If this was a World Cup tournament, this same Italian team would have found a way to qualify for the next round and once they have....EVERYBODY...including my side Brazil...would fear them.
I agree 100% Every competition has it's refereeing ups and downs and now with 40 cameras and all the analysis, the referee job is getting harder and harder. Italy got the call against Australia, I for on felt it was penalty, you cannot be half pregnant, its a foul so its a penalty, simple! Italy in 2006 were the most balanced squad, along with France IMHO and because of that the scores were dead locked after 120. PK's were the order of the day & the rest is history.
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Italy are quite capable of playing attractive, flowing football. They more than have the players to do it. But they are an example of where football becomes cultural.
It's not in Italy's football culture to play attractively for any consistent time period. They're a fight you to the death kind of team who are at their very best when their backs are against the wall and the odds are against them. A 10 man Italy is more dangerous than an Italian XI IMO. I doh like them as a team to watch but I respect de hell out of them and they have some absolutely fanatastic players. Always have and likely always will.
As for them not "deserving" to win WC 2006....I wonder who "deserved" to win it? Germany? Germany played the best they could possibly play against Italy and Italy flat out, straight up BEAT THEM. No bad calls. No teefin by de refs. Dey beat Germany in front dey own fans. Germany...who is one of the toughest team in ALL of foottball...especially at home.
Italy is a boss team. Yuh doh have to like dem.....but underestimate dem at yuh peril. Confederations Cup is nothing much in the overall scheme of things. If this was a World Cup tournament, this same Italian team would have found a way to qualify for the next round and once they have....EVERYBODY...including my side Brazil...would fear them.
True talk that...
That semi-final against Germany was some of the most attractive football i've ever seen Italy play. I even bought the DVD just so I could re-watch that midfield showing from Pirlo again.. One of the best midfield performances i've ever witnessed.
Italy is tempo. I've seen Italy go to a tournament with a side that all in all comprised just four great defenders and Baggio and still run teams down to the wire. Remember this team is 1 world cup shy of brazil's current tournament record of 5.
Remember that Euro when they get knock out by France on PKs and the midfield was Di Biagio, Moriero, Dino Baggio and Pessoto (a right back)? Devoid of any creativity whatsoever yet still laboring to victories.
Anyway, i still waiting for someone to tell me what it is I not seeing in Camoranesi, besides him being the only Italian with some fancy touches.
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Italy are quite capable of playing attractive, flowing football. They more than have the players to do it. But they are an example of where football becomes cultural.
It's not in Italy's football culture to play attractively for any consistent time period. They're a fight you to the death kind of team who are at their very best when their backs are against the wall and the odds are against them. A 10 man Italy is more dangerous than an Italian XI IMO. I doh like them as a team to watch but I respect de hell out of them and they have some absolutely fanatastic players. Always have and likely always will.
As for them not "deserving" to win WC 2006....I wonder who "deserved" to win it? Germany? Germany played the best they could possibly play against Italy and Italy flat out, straight up BEAT THEM. No bad calls. No teefin by de refs. Dey beat Germany in front dey own fans. Germany...who is one of the toughest team in ALL of foottball...especially at home.
Italy is a boss team. Yuh doh have to like dem.....but underestimate dem at yuh peril. Confederations Cup is nothing much in the overall scheme of things. If this was a World Cup tournament, this same Italian team would have found a way to qualify for the next round and once they have....EVERYBODY...including my side Brazil...would fear them.
Well said Palos.... :beermug: I have always liked 2 teams in Europe, Holland and Italy. Head to head, ah will back Holland though *sigh* they just wouldn't win the blasted world cup and put mih out mih misery....*sigh*
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Italy are quite capable of playing attractive, flowing football. They more than have the players to do it. But they are an example of where football becomes cultural.
It's not in Italy's football culture to play attractively for any consistent time period. They're a fight you to the death kind of team who are at their very best when their backs are against the wall and the odds are against them. A 10 man Italy is more dangerous than an Italian XI IMO. I doh like them as a team to watch but I respect de hell out of them and they have some absolutely fanatastic players. Always have and likely always will.
As for them not "deserving" to win WC 2006....I wonder who "deserved" to win it? Germany? Germany played the best they could possibly play against Italy and Italy flat out, straight up BEAT THEM. No bad calls. No teefin by de refs. Dey beat Germany in front dey own fans. Germany...who is one of the toughest team in ALL of foottball...especially at home.
Italy is a boss team. Yuh doh have to like dem.....but underestimate dem at yuh peril. Confederations Cup is nothing much in the overall scheme of things. If this was a World Cup tournament, this same Italian team would have found a way to qualify for the next round and once they have....EVERYBODY...including my side Brazil...would fear them.
True talk that...
That semi-final against Germany was some of the most attractive football i've ever seen Italy play. I even bought the DVD just so I could re-watch that midfield showing from Pirlo again.. One of the best midfield performances i've ever witnessed.
Italy is tempo. I've seen Italy go to a tournament with a side that all in all comprised just four great defenders and Baggio and still run teams down to the wire. Remember this team is 1 world cup shy of brazil's current tournament record of 5.
Remember that Euro when they get knock out by France on PKs and the midfield was Di Biagio, Moriero, Dino Baggio and Pessoto (a right back)? Devoid of any creativity whatsoever yet still laboring to victories.
Anyway, i still waiting for someone to tell me what it is I not seeing in Camoranesi, besides him being the only Italian with some fancy touches.
Once Balotelli start makin dah Italian startin line up.....it go be pressha fuh everybody.
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Italy are quite capable of playing attractive, flowing football. They more than have the players to do it. But they are an example of where football becomes cultural.
It's not in Italy's football culture to play attractively for any consistent time period. They're a fight you to the death kind of team who are at their very best when their backs are against the wall and the odds are against them. A 10 man Italy is more dangerous than an Italian XI IMO. I doh like them as a team to watch but I respect de hell out of them and they have some absolutely fanatastic players. Always have and likely always will.
As for them not "deserving" to win WC 2006....I wonder who "deserved" to win it? Germany? Germany played the best they could possibly play against Italy and Italy flat out, straight up BEAT THEM. No bad calls. No teefin by de refs. Dey beat Germany in front dey own fans. Germany...who is one of the toughest team in ALL of foottball...especially at home.
Italy is a boss team. Yuh doh have to like dem.....but underestimate dem at yuh peril. Confederations Cup is nothing much in the overall scheme of things. If this was a World Cup tournament, this same Italian team would have found a way to qualify for the next round and once they have....EVERYBODY...including my side Brazil...would fear them.
True talk that...
That semi-final against Germany was some of the most attractive football i've ever seen Italy play. I even bought the DVD just so I could re-watch that midfield showing from Pirlo again.. One of the best midfield performances i've ever witnessed.
Italy is tempo. I've seen Italy go to a tournament with a side that all in all comprised just four great defenders and Baggio and still run teams down to the wire. Remember this team is 1 world cup shy of brazil's current tournament record of 5.
Remember that Euro when they get knock out by France on PKs and the midfield was Di Biagio, Moriero, Dino Baggio and Pessoto (a right back)? Devoid of any creativity whatsoever yet still laboring to victories.
Anyway, i still waiting for someone to tell me what it is I not seeing in Camoranesi, besides him being the only Italian with some fancy touches.
Nah, if yuh truly following Italian football at de national level yuh will realize dat players like Camaronesi is a must have, a player w/some creativity, vision, and combines that w/some serious hustle. All de major pts about the Italian nat'l side have already been made by you and other posters before, I would add the 90 WC as one they "could" have had. I think now though Lippi has some serious work to do, Donadoni took their nat'l football down a peg or two, will be interesting to see how they look time nex year come around.
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Wuz with the italian love fest?
Brazil still run tings.
But yes they are always a big side
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I never said that Costa Rica doing well is good for concacaf but not the usa. Get your facts straight and learn to read and understand what a writer is saying. I would really like to see the correlation between the usa doing well in this or any other tournament (as badly as they have looked, too) and concacaf as a whole when, the usa (and Mexico) have been getting results in the World Cup since 1930. There is no question that the usa has improved since its re-entry into the world stage in 1990. There is no question that Mexico are the other power house in our region and there is no question as to Costa Rica's potential. They showed what they are capable of in 1990 and they have not looked as good ever since but every now and then they get a result or show some kind of form. Those three teams are the status quo in concacaf. Jamaica's victory over an up-and-coming Japan in '98 and T&T's draw against Sweden in '06 is not enough for concacaf to rattle any sabres and say we are all that in international football. More teams like Haiti, Cuba, El Salvador, Guatemala, Canada, jamaica, Honduras, etc., have to step up and show that they can hang with some of the top teams for us to be taken more seriously and anything else you tell me is just a flawed attempt at logic.
At the end of the day, its the CONCACAF champs USA authoratitively dismissing the African champs Egypt in a game that carried major significance.
Any time a CONCACAF team beat a team from another CONFED in a major football tournament, it will always be a feather in our cap. Sure, CONCACAF is not as strong as CONMEBOL, but like you said, the top 3 can hold its own, and any of Honduras, Ja, Canada, T&T can spring a few surprises here and there. Honduras easily beat Paraguay the other day, even Panama defeated Chile not too long ago, albeit in friendly ga,es with little meaning.
You mentioned Japan as being an up and coming team when Jamaica defeated them at the world cup..you can put jamaica in the same boat too as an "up and coming" team with significantly less resources. It was CONCACAF's # 3 putting the brakes on Asia's #1 at the time.
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That semi-final against Germany was some of the most attractive football i've ever seen Italy play. I even bought the DVD just so I could re-watch that midfield showing from Pirlo again.. One of the best midfield performances i've ever witnessed.
Not sure about that first sentence - In WC '90 they were as fluid as I've ever seen, but the part about Pirlo I fully endorse- that was a 10/10 flawless performance...It really was close to perfection. Not sure if even he could replicate it...was like watching a central midfield clinic.
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I wonder how many ppl jumpin on the Brazil bandwagon?
I eh drinkin dat koolaid yet.
Sadly Brazil is turning into every other present-day, world-class football team. Hard working and swift on the counter.
I guess in a world where results are all that count, this was bound to happen.
RIP ginga
Brazil playing that swift counter for a good while now...Last Confederations Cup was the same thing... Argentina's coach was awed by it after they got demolished in the last final...
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Brazil made them look really small in truth. 10min highlights.
I don't know how to post embedded videos on this site.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAJJTI2GGik
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I never said that Costa Rica doing well is good for concacaf but not the usa. Get your facts straight and learn to read and understand what a writer is saying. I would really like to see the correlation between the usa doing well in this or any other tournament (as badly as they have looked, too) and concacaf as a whole when, the usa (and Mexico) have been getting results in the World Cup since 1930. There is no question that the usa has improved since its re-entry into the world stage in 1990. There is no question that Mexico are the other power house in our region and there is no question as to Costa Rica's potential. They showed what they are capable of in 1990 and they have not looked as good ever since but every now and then they get a result or show some kind of form. Those three teams are the status quo in concacaf. Jamaica's victory over an up-and-coming Japan in '98 and T&T's draw against Sweden in '06 is not enough for concacaf to rattle any sabres and say we are all that in international football. More teams like Haiti, Cuba, El Salvador, Guatemala, Canada, jamaica, Honduras, etc., have to step up and show that they can hang with some of the top teams for us to be taken more seriously and anything else you tell me is just a flawed attempt at logic.
At the end of the day, its the CONCACAF champs USA authoratitively dismissing the African champs Egypt in a game that carried major significance.
Any time a CONCACAF team beat a team from another CONFED in a major football tournament, it will always be a feather in our cap. Sure, CONCACAF is not as strong as CONMEBOL, but like you said, the top 3 can hold its own, and any of Honduras, Ja, Canada, T&T can spring a few surprises here and there. Honduras easily beat Paraguay the other day, even Panama defeated Chile not too long ago, albeit in friendly ga,es with little meaning.
You mentioned Japan as being an up and coming team when Jamaica defeated them at the world cup..you can put jamaica in the same boat too as an "up and coming" team with significantly less resources. It was CONCACAF's # 3 putting the brakes on Asia's #1 at the time.
steupssssssssssss
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Italy have some special talent in the U21 Balotelli already mentioned, but Aquafresca will also be a potential striker in WC. Then they have a potential playmaker, who is also effective out wide in Giovinco
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Brazil made them look really small in truth. 10min highlights.
I don't know how to post embedded videos on this site.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAJJTI2GGik
Just look at the html code for a previously embedded video (quote the message and you'll see it), and follow the pattern
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Brazil made them look really small in truth. 10min highlights.
I don't know how to post embedded videos on this site.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAJJTI2GGik
Just look at the html code for a previously embedded video (quote the message and you'll see it), and follow the pattern
All dah wok?
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steups It nuh working.
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Brazil made them look really small in truth. 10min highlights.
I don't know how to post embedded videos on this site.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAJJTI2GGik
Toppa... take out the "watch?" and replace the '=' with a '/' so it will look like this:
http://www.youtube.com/v/tAJJTI2GGik
put that link in flash tag (the circle icon 'insert flash').
http://www.youtube.com/v/tAJJTI2GGik
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Thanks Omar...although that still rel complicated.
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Thanks Omar...although that still rel complicated.
yuh too friggin lazy. :)
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Thanks Omar...although that still rel complicated.
yuh too friggin lazy. :)
lol Maybe, but on other sites videos are embedded automatically.
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Brazil made them look really small in truth. 10min highlights.
I don't know how to post embedded videos on this site.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAJJTI2GGik
Just look at the html code for a previously embedded video (quote the message and you'll see it), and follow the pattern
All dah wok?
lol... ;D
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Thanks Omar...although that still rel complicated.
yuh too friggin lazy. :)
lol Maybe, but on other sites videos are embedded automatically.
I ha to agree yuh rell blasted lazy in troot!
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Allyuh rel ungrateful yuh know. Ah feeling to take back muh highlights!
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Allyuh rel ungrateful yuh know. Ah feeling to take back muh highlights!
You in ah mess, daiz like givin ah vagrant ah coupon fuh free food in Trini. Ah bet yuh go get it pelt back at yuh wit some choice words :devil:
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Allyuh rel ungrateful yuh know. Ah feeling to take back muh highlights!
well take back yuh highlights nah...
who wanna see highlights of brazil beating italy anyway? steups
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Allyuh rel ungrateful yuh know. Ah feeling to take back muh highlights!
well take back yuh highlights nah...
who wanna see highlights of brazil beating italy anyway? steups
Yuh know yuh crying on de inside! :devil:
Brazil had defenders falling down all kina ting. Fus is Samba in de tail.
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This basically described the whole 90 minutes right here....I eh go lie, I love Brazil..but dat was a lil too disrespectful. Stankness. I still hadda laugh tho'
http://www.youtube.com/v/4ufOk_XRnow
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This basically described the whole 90 minutes right here....I eh go lie, I love Brazil..but dat was a lil too disrespectful. Stankness. I still hadda laugh tho'
http://www.youtube.com/v/4ufOk_XRnow
Yeah that was a bit much...real funny though
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usa winning looks good for the usa, not concacaf. Costa Rica, Guatemala, Mexico, El Salvador, T&T AND the usa doing well in FIFA tournaments looks good for cocacaf. Not just the two perennial super powers all the time, over and over again.
Flawed logic. Costa Rica do well, CONCACAF looks good, but USA do well, USA looks good? It might also be worth noting that the USA is not currently playing the best ball in CONCACAF...maybe COSTA RICA is.
Say waht you want, but this is an excellent result for CONCACAF football. Hope the USA go all the way to the finals, and win it to boot.
What yuh been smokin dude ??
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who cares about italy or brazil .i'm from neither one of these countries and further more italians are the most racist bastards and you all lobbying for them like allyuh italian. lol i'm happy for the USA cause i'm an american citizen and i support them . when they are playing T&T my loyalty is with the warriors. thats it . aND I WOULD RATHER SUPPORT NIGERIA OF CAMEROON BEFORE I SUPPORT ITALY
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who cares about italy or brazil .i'm from neither one of these countries and further more italians are the most racist bastards and you all lobbying for them like allyuh italian. lol i'm happy for the USA cause i'm an american citizen and i support them . when they are playing T&T my loyalty is with the warriors. thats it . aND I WOULD RATHER SUPPORT NIGERIA OF CAMEROON BEFORE I SUPPORT ITALY
ok
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who cares about italy or brazil .i'm from neither one of these countries and further more italians are the most racist bastards and you all lobbying for them like allyuh italian. lol i'm happy for the USA cause i'm an american citizen and i support them . when they are playing T&T my loyalty is with the warriors. thats it . aND I WOULD RATHER SUPPORT NIGERIA OF CAMEROON BEFORE I SUPPORT ITALY
yuh is ah fan of the football or a fan of the politics?
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This basically described the whole 90 minutes right here....I eh go lie, I love Brazil..but dat was a lil too disrespectful. Stankness. I still hadda laugh tho'
http://www.youtube.com/v/4ufOk_XRnow
Same for every sport. Trash talking and intimidation, its al part of the game.
Lucio just letting the youth know he have the legs should de youth be willing to test him.
Cafu use to pick up, push long and say "lets go" then he would turn and tell yuh "that is what yuh in for all game."
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This basically described the whole 90 minutes right here....I eh go lie, I love Brazil..but dat was a lil too disrespectful. Stankness. I still hadda laugh tho'
http://www.youtube.com/v/4ufOk_XRnow
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This basically described the whole 90 minutes right here....I eh go lie, I love Brazil..but dat was a lil too disrespectful. Stankness. I still hadda laugh tho'
http://www.youtube.com/v/4ufOk_XRnow
Same for every sport. Trash talking and intimidation, its al part of the game.
Lucio just letting the youth know he have the legs should de youth be willing to test him.
Cafu use to pick up, push long and say "lets go" then he would turn and tell yuh "that is what yuh in for all game."
Cafu is a BEAST.
One of the fittest players ever to play the game. I sure he coulda do a Tour de France wit no problem. What a forkane engine dah man have.
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filho lend mi the magnifying glass nah
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Ah now get a good look at the highlights as posted above.....whey sah.....I never see an Italian defence look so totally disorganised and outplayed....whoa....whey dis Brazil team was in 2006??...as a matter of fact whey de Italy team from 2006?? :devil:
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Ah now get a good look at the highlights as posted above.....whey sah.....I never see an Italian defence look so totally disorganised and outplayed....whoa....whey dis Brazil team was in 2006??...as a matter of fact whey de Italy team from 2006?? :devil:
In my view....any Brazil team is more lethal with mobile wingbacks. Confed Cup 2005....Ciciniho and Renato i think it was..dey run rampage....World Cup 2006...de only game they look good was de Japan game when Cafu and Roberto Carlos eh play. Dunga have everybody working hard..so it eh have as much flair..but.....dey ruthless. Look at the counter against USA when Beasely lapse....yuh seeing it.
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This basically described the whole 90 minutes right here....I eh go lie, I love Brazil..but dat was a lil too disrespectful. Stankness. I still hadda laugh tho'
http://www.youtube.com/v/4ufOk_XRnow
Same for every sport. Trash talking and intimidation, its al part of the game.
Lucio just letting the youth know he have the legs should de youth be willing to test him.
Cafu use to pick up, push long and say "lets go" then he would turn and tell yuh "that is what yuh in for all game."
Cafu is a BEAST.
One of the fittest players ever to play the game. I sure he coulda do a Tour de France wit no problem. What a forkane engine dah man have.
god i wish we had big tall men that could run like that too. thats what u get when you a huge nation population cause thats rare to find. time to find one somewhere and naturalize him ;D
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filho lend mi the magnifying glass nah
haha. i hadda ask Omar how to make de ting bigger. i just followed his instruction to post. bess yuh watch kicker version
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filho lend mi the magnifying glass nah
haha. i hadda ask Omar how to make de ting bigger. i just followed his instruction to post. bess yuh watch kicker version
Just increase the numerical values in the html code...I think they are the first characters in the code in square brackets.
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filho lend mi the magnifying glass nah
haha. i hadda ask Omar how to make de ting bigger. i just followed his instruction to post. bess yuh watch kicker version
Just increase the numerical values in the html code...I think they are the first characters in the code in square brackets.
alright...tanks. the original is better. hard luck for the ones in quotes
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filho lend mi the magnifying glass nah
haha. i hadda ask Omar how to make de ting bigger. i just followed his instruction to post. bess yuh watch kicker version
Just increase the numerical values in the html code...I think they are the first characters in the code in square brackets.
alright...tanks. the original is better. hard luck for the ones in quotes
400,400 is industry standard for future reference. :beermug:
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CORRECTED-Soccer-Egypt blame Cup exit on media 'lies' about pros
Reuters, Tuesday June 23 2009
By Mike Collett
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/feedarticle/8571148
JOHANNESBURG, June 22 (Reuters) - Egypt have blamed their Confederations Cup exit on media "lies" about their players consorting with prostitutes after beating world champions Italy.
Head of mission Mahmoud Taher told a news conference on Monday that the team had been stunned by local newspaper reports.
He said the team, knocked out on Sunday after losing 3-0 to the United States, had in fact been robbed at their hotel.
"The players have been really subjected to terrible damage in Egypt and they are in a very bad mood right now due to the false allegations that were published in the newspapers here," he said.
"The media have caused all this damage which we were shocked by.
"The allegations were published in the papers here on Saturday and Sunday morning and unfortunately the players heard about it from back home," he added.
"These lies started here in South Africa then they were quoted back home and this had an affect on our players.
"This was not the only reason for the defeat, we had some injuries, and some players got injuries in the match, but these were some of the reasons for the defeat."
UNDER INVESTIGATION
Local media have alleged the money was not stolen but paid to "ladies of the night", with about 19,000 rand taken from the players after their shock 1-0 win over Italy in Johannesburg last Thursday.
Fikile Mbalula, South Africa's deputy minister of police responsible for security at the event, told an earlier news briefing that the matter was still under investigation.
He added that the police could not be responsible for people or friends invited into hotel rooms "who may not be security friendly to you."
Taher, whose delegation was leaving Johannesburg on Monday night, responded: "I am saying that no strangers, no women, no girls, nobody came to the floors or the premises of the Egyptian delegation," he said.
"We came back to our hotel and the players went to their rooms and discovered they had lost their money and their belongings.
"They complained to the reception at the hotel accompanied by our LOC (organising committee) escort who reported it to his superiors and he reported it to the police," he said.
"We thought it could be sorted out as a simple incident that can happen at any hotel. What we are answering today is what was published in the newspapers, not about the theft because the police are investigating that problem.
"We are demanding from the media protection to our players honour and dignity and the rights due to our culture in Egypt."
A spokeswoman for the South African Police Service (SAPS) said they were investigating the case and would not give out any details until the probe was concluded.
"The team members involved have already given SAPS detectives their statements so there would be no need for them to be interviewed or interrogated further," she added.
Local media also reported that some Brazilian players had been robbed of a "jacket and some money" from their hotel.
(Additional reporting by Mohamed Sadek and Phumza Macanda, editing by Alan Baldwin)
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dem egyptians probably get aids too.. just saying
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The Egyptians could have blamed the media from day one, instead they went on and on about being tired in the post-game press conference and in subsequent interviews. They said the Brazil and Italy games took everything out of them..as if the US didn't play the same too teams before. So this round of excuses eh sounding too truthful.
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The Question: How is Brazil's 4-2-3-1 different from a European 4-2-3-1? (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2009/jun/24/the-question-brazil-4-2-3-1)
Brazil's first-half performance in their 3-0 victory over Italy in the Confederations Cup on Sunday confirmed what the results of the last couple of months had been hinting at: for all the doubts about Dunga's supposed pragmatism, all the quibbles over personnel, they will be serious contenders next summer.
The 1-1 draw in Ecuador in March may have been fortuitous, and the defending shambolic, but Argentina's 6-1 defeat to Bolivia a few days later showing the effect altitude can make. Since then, they have put three past Peru and four past Uruguay, before winning 2-1 against Paraguay, their closest challengers in Conmebol qualifying. So now that qualification is all but assured, the big debate is less over Dunga's future, than over what system his side plays: when is a 4-2-3-1 not a 4-2-3-1?
Diamond geezers
At this Confederations Cup, most European observers have happily jotted down their formation as 4-2-3-1, with Luís Fabiano as the centre-forward, Robinho to the left, Kaká as the central creator and Ramires on the right of the attacking three. Gilberto Silva sits in front of the back four, with Fiorentina's Felipe Melo in the slightly more advanced holding role. Yet the Brazilians persist in describing the system as a diamond.
As they see it, Gilberto is the base, with Ramires right and Melo left as carrileros (the shuttlers on the sides of the diamond), Kaká as the playmaking tip, and Robinho as a second striker. At first, that sounds nonsensical, because that isn't how it looks on the pitch, but there is greater subtlety to the Brazilian notation. Gilberto, as the most defensive, they describe as a "first function" midfielder, Melo is "second function" and Ramires, as the most attacking of those three, is "third function".
There is an acceptance too that Robinho pulls left. He does not operate centrally, for were he to do so, he would be competing for space with Kaká and Luís Fabiano. Strangely, he has seemingly reinvented the left-sided attacking position as practised by, for instance, Gianni Riva, in il giocco all'Italiana, the slightly more attacking version of catenaccio practised by Italy in the 1970s. he was, in effect, a converted, tucked-in winger from a 4-3-3, encouraged to move inside by the surges forward of the left-back, who had, since the days of Giacinto Facchetti, been the more attacking of the full-backs in the Italian system.
And once you start to see that, you realise that Ramires, who has had an excellent tournament pounding up and down the right flank, offering deftness as well as energy, could be seen as a modern version of a tornante (literally, a "returner") who, like Jair in Helenio Herrera's Internazionale, is a winger who tracks back. Apart from the fact that the back four is flat rather than employing a sweeper, a middle-aged Italian could easily see this Brazil as an incarnation of il giocco all'Italiana. In that regard, Brazil have become a sort of tactical Rorschach test, with everybody seeing in it what they are culturally disposed to see.
Which begs the question that, if such things are so open to interpretation, whether there is any point putting a name to a formation. There is, because it gives us a basic shape, but we must always be conscious of differences within systems that ostensibly appear to be the same. In fact, one of the great criticisms that can be levelled at the English game historically is that the formation has led the game: players, rather than being treated as individuals whose tactical responsibilities were to be negotiated within a basic framework, were rammed into pre-designated holes.
So while describing the current Brazilian system as a diamond feels almost as antiquated as those British newspapers in the 50s who still listed teams in the 2-3-5 that had died out three decades earlier, so we should be aware that 4-2-3-1 doesn't tell the full story either. And, most intriguingly, the Brazilian 4-2-3-1 differs from the European version precisely because it has evolved via a different route.
Development of Brazil's system
The European 4-2-3-1 derives from 4-4-2. A centre-forward is withdrawn, and the roles of the midfield become more precisely defined, the wide players advancing and the central players retreating, although the wide players still have responsibility for dealing with the attacking intentions of the opposition full-backs.
In Brazil, though, the default for several years has been the 4-2-2-2. It was first showcased to the world in 1982, when Falcao and Cerezo operated as deep-lying playmakers behind Zico and Socrates (the magic square, as it was known). After a flirtation with 3-5-2 under Sebastiao Lazaroni in 1990, the 4-2-2-2 returned in far more defensive form at the 1994 World Cup, at which Dunga, the present coach, operated alongside Marcio Santos at the back of the midfield, with Zinho and Mazinho in front of them as trequartistas, and Bebeto and Romario as the centre-forwards.
The evolution of that system to 4-2-3-1 has come about by pulling one of the centre-forwards back and wider, while one of the trequartistas shuffles a little wider – and in Ramires's case deeper – on the other side to accommodate him. Robinho is thus a forward playing to the left (as Riva did), whereas a European version of the system would have a winger or a midfielder (or a defensive forward) there. So far in this tournament, there has been no sign of him feeling any sense of defensive responsibility.
That may be a problem if he comes up against a right-back of great attacking intent – such as Maicon (who has looked a far more complete player than Dani Alves in the Confederations Cup), but generally the balance looks promising. Ramires, who will join Benfica from Cruzeiro before the start of next season, chugs up and down the right, allowing Melo, the more advanced of the two holders, to focus his attentions more to the left while Gilberto remains central.
It is an adventurous system – counter-intuitively, given Dunga's reputation – but its great advantage is the position of Robinho. As a withdrawn, left-sided central forward, he naturally falls under the marking remit of any member of the opposition. Given one holding midfielder is trying to deal with Kaká, if the other shifts across to stop Robinho, he risks leaving the right-side exposed for Maicon and Ramires. But neither is Robinho playing tight against the opposing full-back or centre-back; in a game that seems increasingly crowded, his has discovered (or rediscovered) a new niche of opportunity.
The ultimate question for European teams
Attacking from wide, of course, is very much in vogue. "When forwards attack from wide to inside, they are far more dangerous," Sir Alex Ferguson explained. "It's funny when I see centre-forwards starting off in the middle against their markers and then going away from goal. Strikers going inside are far more dangerous, I think. When [Thierry] Henry played as a striker, and sometimes when Wayne [Rooney] does, they try to escape and create space by drifting from the centre to wide positions, when that actually makes them less dangerous."
It is all the more dangerous if the wide attacker in operating in conjunction with an attacking full-back: Lionel Messi cutting infield as Alves surges by him is perhaps the most obvious example, but Andrei Arshavin, backed up by either Aleksandr Anyukov or Yuri Zhirkov, has benefited similarly for Russia, while one of Croatia's great strengths – at least until Fabio Capello exposed it by deploying the pace of Theo Walcott high on the right in Zagreb – was Danijel Pranjic's link-up with Ivan Rakitic on the left flank.
It would be a brave manager who called Robinho's bluff and encouraged his right-back to ignore him and surge forward, but that might be the best way to deal with his role. Or a team could play as Chelsea did in Barcelona, with three very deep central midfielders. Or play with a tucked in and purely defensive right-back. And that perhaps is the greatest strength of Dunga's side – that their interpretation of 4-2-3-1 raises questions European sides are not used to answering.
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I like this article
:beermug:
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The Question: How is Brazil's 4-2-3-1 different from a European 4-2-3-1? (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2009/jun/24/the-question-brazil-4-2-3-1)
Brazil's first-half performance in their 3-0 victory over Italy in the Confederations Cup on Sunday confirmed what the results of the last couple of months had been hinting at: for all the doubts about Dunga's supposed pragmatism, all the quibbles over personnel, they will be serious contenders next summer.
The 1-1 draw in Ecuador in March may have been fortuitous, and the defending shambolic, but Argentina's 6-1 defeat to Bolivia a few days later showing the effect altitude can make. Since then, they have put three past Peru and four past Uruguay, before winning 2-1 against Paraguay, their closest challengers in Conmebol qualifying. So now that qualification is all but assured, the big debate is less over Dunga's future, than over what system his side plays: when is a 4-2-3-1 not a 4-2-3-1?
Diamond geezers
At this Confederations Cup, most European observers have happily jotted down their formation as 4-2-3-1, with Luís Fabiano as the centre-forward, Robinho to the left, Kaká as the central creator and Ramires on the right of the attacking three. Gilberto Silva sits in front of the back four, with Fiorentina's Felipe Melo in the slightly more advanced holding role. Yet the Brazilians persist in describing the system as a diamond.
As they see it, Gilberto is the base, with Ramires right and Melo left as carrileros (the shuttlers on the sides of the diamond), Kaká as the playmaking tip, and Robinho as a second striker. At first, that sounds nonsensical, because that isn't how it looks on the pitch, but there is greater subtlety to the Brazilian notation. Gilberto, as the most defensive, they describe as a "first function" midfielder, Melo is "second function" and Ramires, as the most attacking of those three, is "third function".
There is an acceptance too that Robinho pulls left. He does not operate centrally, for were he to do so, he would be competing for space with Kaká and Luís Fabiano. Strangely, he has seemingly reinvented the left-sided attacking position as practised by, for instance, Gianni Riva, in il giocco all'Italiana, the slightly more attacking version of catenaccio practised by Italy in the 1970s. he was, in effect, a converted, tucked-in winger from a 4-3-3, encouraged to move inside by the surges forward of the left-back, who had, since the days of Giacinto Facchetti, been the more attacking of the full-backs in the Italian system.
And once you start to see that, you realise that Ramires, who has had an excellent tournament pounding up and down the right flank, offering deftness as well as energy, could be seen as a modern version of a tornante (literally, a "returner") who, like Jair in Helenio Herrera's Internazionale, is a winger who tracks back. Apart from the fact that the back four is flat rather than employing a sweeper, a middle-aged Italian could easily see this Brazil as an incarnation of il giocco all'Italiana. In that regard, Brazil have become a sort of tactical Rorschach test, with everybody seeing in it what they are culturally disposed to see.
Which begs the question that, if such things are so open to interpretation, whether there is any point putting a name to a formation. There is, because it gives us a basic shape, but we must always be conscious of differences within systems that ostensibly appear to be the same. In fact, one of the great criticisms that can be levelled at the English game historically is that the formation has led the game: players, rather than being treated as individuals whose tactical responsibilities were to be negotiated within a basic framework, were rammed into pre-designated holes.
So while describing the current Brazilian system as a diamond feels almost as antiquated as those British newspapers in the 50s who still listed teams in the 2-3-5 that had died out three decades earlier, so we should be aware that 4-2-3-1 doesn't tell the full story either. And, most intriguingly, the Brazilian 4-2-3-1 differs from the European version precisely because it has evolved via a different route.
Development of Brazil's system
The European 4-2-3-1 derives from 4-4-2. A centre-forward is withdrawn, and the roles of the midfield become more precisely defined, the wide players advancing and the central players retreating, although the wide players still have responsibility for dealing with the attacking intentions of the opposition full-backs.
In Brazil, though, the default for several years has been the 4-2-2-2. It was first showcased to the world in 1982, when Falcao and Cerezo operated as deep-lying playmakers behind Zico and Socrates (the magic square, as it was known). After a flirtation with 3-5-2 under Sebastiao Lazaroni in 1990, the 4-2-2-2 returned in far more defensive form at the 1994 World Cup, at which Dunga, the present coach, operated alongside Marcio Santos at the back of the midfield, with Zinho and Mazinho in front of them as trequartistas, and Bebeto and Romario as the centre-forwards.
The evolution of that system to 4-2-3-1 has come about by pulling one of the centre-forwards back and wider, while one of the trequartistas shuffles a little wider – and in Ramires's case deeper – on the other side to accommodate him. Robinho is thus a forward playing to the left (as Riva did), whereas a European version of the system would have a winger or a midfielder (or a defensive forward) there. So far in this tournament, there has been no sign of him feeling any sense of defensive responsibility.
That may be a problem if he comes up against a right-back of great attacking intent – such as Maicon (who has looked a far more complete player than Dani Alves in the Confederations Cup), but generally the balance looks promising. Ramires, who will join Benfica from Cruzeiro before the start of next season, chugs up and down the right, allowing Melo, the more advanced of the two holders, to focus his attentions more to the left while Gilberto remains central.
It is an adventurous system – counter-intuitively, given Dunga's reputation – but its great advantage is the position of Robinho. As a withdrawn, left-sided central forward, he naturally falls under the marking remit of any member of the opposition. Given one holding midfielder is trying to deal with Kaká, if the other shifts across to stop Robinho, he risks leaving the right-side exposed for Maicon and Ramires. But neither is Robinho playing tight against the opposing full-back or centre-back; in a game that seems increasingly crowded, his has discovered (or rediscovered) a new niche of opportunity.
The ultimate question for European teams
Attacking from wide, of course, is very much in vogue. "When forwards attack from wide to inside, they are far more dangerous," Sir Alex Ferguson explained. "It's funny when I see centre-forwards starting off in the middle against their markers and then going away from goal. Strikers going inside are far more dangerous, I think. When [Thierry] Henry played as a striker, and sometimes when Wayne [Rooney] does, they try to escape and create space by drifting from the centre to wide positions, when that actually makes them less dangerous."
It is all the more dangerous if the wide attacker in operating in conjunction with an attacking full-back: Lionel Messi cutting infield as Alves surges by him is perhaps the most obvious example, but Andrei Arshavin, backed up by either Aleksandr Anyukov or Yuri Zhirkov, has benefited similarly for Russia, while one of Croatia's great strengths – at least until Fabio Capello exposed it by deploying the pace of Theo Walcott high on the right in Zagreb – was Danijel Pranjic's link-up with Ivan Rakitic on the left flank.
It would be a brave manager who called Robinho's bluff and encouraged his right-back to ignore him and surge forward, but that might be the best way to deal with his role. Or a team could play as Chelsea did in Barcelona, with three very deep central midfielders. Or play with a tucked in and purely defensive right-back. And that perhaps is the greatest strength of Dunga's side – that their interpretation of 4-2-3-1 raises questions European sides are not used to answering.
nice article. I think the difference between the Brasilian use of the formation and the European use of the formation is the fulcrum player. Brasil seems to have two. In the Italy game, it was Melo when they were defending, and Kaka when they were attacking. European teams seem to have one player in that position, and most times, it's in the holding midfielder position.
You're not going to be as versatile if you're constantly coming out of the back and building all your plays from there. If you have a player with the quality of Kaka, so that you can force the opposition defence to sit deep, and have them under constant threat - then once the defending team breaks on a counter-attack, they have an almost immovable force in Melo keeping the tactical shape and marshalling the defence in front of Lucio and Julio Cesar.
It's almost like if they're playing with an extra player.
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any english streams for usa-spain?
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I always wonder why TnT dont wear warm up sweats over there uni like top teams , instead of just wearing complete other uniform. That keep the muscles warm
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Harkes talking bout holding out for PK's and is de 3rd minute of the game....stupesssss
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:rotfl:
Those ESPN commentators cracking me up. They're talking about the game possibly being a draw between the two teams which would then take them to penalty kicks "...and you know how good Tim Howard is with Penalty Kicks..."
Dem eh see Iker in goal? Dey know who he is?
Anyway...all of that was wishful thinking on their part.
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1 for Altidore
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lol
1-0 USA
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"Sahker" 1, "Fútbol" o
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this spanish side looking lazy in defence. where Marcos Senna?
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How men does rate Torres boy... especially over Villa?
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any english streams for usa-spain?
Try atdhe.net.
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Look ting,
All us haters feeling sour!
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Well the Spaniards and Dutch are the biggest chokers in history :rotfl: We have to keep that in mind
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Well the Spaniards and Dutch are the biggest chokers in history :rotfl: We have to keep that in mind
This look more like a sellout than a choke. All of a sudden them Spainish makin' ONE settta bad pass in a game?! Yeah, RIGHT!!
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Maybe somebody "rob" them last night too...
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MASH DEM UP!
Dem US boys ballin outta their mind and Spain just lookin shocked.
This is what happens when you come through a shit group and flatter to deceive.
US has been tested by Brazil, Italy and Egypt and came here ready to play.
I thought they regressed under Bradley but they are proving me wrong.
Spain still winnin 2-1
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Allyuh eh see how Altidore shield his man and take that goal? Now KJ is a big striker too. How come he's sooooo easily knocked off the ball? During one Club game ah see Sanga of Arsenal easily push him off the ball. Playing for T&T is the same thing. The slightest body check and he give it up.
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MASH DEM UP!
Dem US boys ballin outta their mind and Spain just lookin shocked.
This is what happens when you come through a shit group and flatter to deceive.
US has been tested by Brazil, Italy and Egypt and came here ready to play.
I thought they regressed under Bradley but they are proving me wrong.
Spain still winnin 2-1
I hope yuh right...GO SPAIN!!!... :flamethrower:
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Allyuh eh see how Altidore shield his man and take that goal? Now KJ is a big striker too. How come he's sooooo easily knocked off the ball? During one Club game ah see Sanga of Arsenal easily push him off the ball. Playing for T&T is the same thing. The slightest body check and he give it up.
Altidore wants it more than KJ. Plain and simple.
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any english streams for usa-spain?
Try atdhe.net.
Thanks boss
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MASH DEM UP!
Dem US boys ballin outta their mind and Spain just lookin shocked.
This is what happens when you come through a shit group and flatter to deceive.
US has been tested by Brazil, Italy and Egypt and came here ready to play.
I thought they regressed under Bradley but they are proving me wrong.
Spain still winnin 2-1
Yeah boy. I was one who was saying that T&T could beat any team in our group whenever we get serious. But US is getting stronger and stronger. The thing they seem to have in abundance is Arrogance (I mean it in a good way in this case). Their confidence is growing and rightly so. They are playing intelligent ball.
T&T get serious.
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Maybe somebody "rob" them last night too...
sorry, I mean is the vuvuzela upsetting they play
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Allyuh eh see how Altidore shield his man and take that goal? Now KJ is a big striker too. How come he's sooooo easily knocked off the ball? During one Club game ah see Sanga of Arsenal easily push him off the ball. Playing for T&T is the same thing. The slightest body check and he give it up.
Altidore wants it more than KJ. Plain and simple.
Plain and simple.
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But KJ has been hurt all year, so you can't really judge him fairly.
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Spain looking rel shitty.
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Spain looking rel shitty.
The US have dem lookin' so; the yanks are putting on a defensive clinic.
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Spain looking rel shitty.
The US have dem lookin' so; the yanks are putting on a defensive clinic.
Yuh mean is the U$ have them looking so! They cyah put on no defensive "clinic" that Spain never see before or cyah handle. Munny pass.
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any english streams for usa-spain?
Try atdhe.net.
Thanks boss
No problem.
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Spain looking rel shitty.
The US have dem lookin' so; the yanks are putting on a defensive clinic.
Yuh mean is the U$ have them looking so! They cyah put on no defensive "clinic" that Spain never see before or cyah handle. Munny pass.
smh.
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If Spain let the US beat them...lol...they'll never live it down.
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Spain looking rel shitty.
The US have dem lookin' so; the yanks are putting on a defensive clinic.
Yuh mean is the U$ have them looking so! They cyah put on no defensive "clinic" that Spain never see before or cyah handle. Munny pass.
smh.
Whatever dat mean.....
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Riera..rel ugly...Torres...I doh know wha he say he doing.
Best dey make Ramos de striker.
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USA beating Spain, T&T can't even get a proper friendly. Yet we does blast USA.
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Dis result not surprisin' me at all; I live in the States and understand the American sporting mentality. I sure every member of that US team believes that USA can win the world cup.
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Why can't we get Spain Uniform in we colors?
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Why can't we get Spain Uniform in we colors?
why spoil a nice kit?
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Dis result not surprisin' me at all; I live in the States and understand the American sporting mentality. I sure every member of that US team believes that USA can win the world cup.
::)
YUh could put down the pom poms now.
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Dis result not surprisin' me at all; I live in the States and understand the American sporting mentality. I sure every member of that US team believes that USA can win the world cup.
....s owhere was that mentality against Italy and Brazil? And Costa Rica?
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numero dos
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:rotfl:
2-0
For some reason I find it rel good fuh Spain.
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Dis result not surprisin' me at all; I live in the States and understand the American sporting mentality. I sure every member of that US team believes that USA can win the world cup.
::)
YUh could put down the pom poms now.
Trust me ah could never warm to a country that besmirches the name of the beautiful game with the name, "sahker".
And as I type "Sahker" 2, "Fútbol" 0
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Licks!!!!!
But fuh real, the US spoil my Sunday already.
I was sure we watching Brazil v Spain.
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Nobody watching this game or what? :devil:
Who said we beating the USA?
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Is whole day Torres falling down. Whole day!
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Uhmmmmm I tell people from a couple years now........ The sates aint no walk over and they are definately top team in Concacaf!
I see the so called "shit" snake Altidore score ....... US improving every single year, as much as it hurts to see "soccer" players being the best in Concacaf I cant hate........they been putting in the work!
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Dis result not surprisin' me at all; I live in the States and understand the American sporting mentality. I sure every member of that US team believes that USA can win the world cup.
....s owhere was that mentality against Italy and Brazil? And Costa Rica?
Every game is a new game with new possibilities.
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Torres need a serious sub.
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look at thing!
mih yankee partner just call me from the barbder shop in the hood. he say they even getting down over there.
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ah put money on de usa.
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Dis result not surprisin' me at all; I live in the States and understand the American sporting mentality. I sure every member of that US team believes that USA can win the world cup.
....s owhere was that mentality against Italy and Brazil? And Costa Rica?
Point taken. But the fact of the matter is that the 15-game unbeaten Spain is down 2-0 to USA with about ten minutes to go.
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Licks!!!!!
But fuh real, the US spoil my Sunday already.
I was sure we watching Brazil v Spain.
Nah man Sunday aint spoi....if u a true football fan !! it not spoil........cause they playing good !! I aint no USA FAN but the men handling they stories
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I hope David Villa price plummet after this match.
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Licks!!!!!
But fuh real, the US spoil my Sunday already.
I was sure we watching Brazil v Spain.
Nah man Sunday aint spoi....if u a true football fan !! it not spoil........cause they playing good !! I aint no USA FAN but the men handling they stories
Agreed; that would actually be an exciting match. We wouldn't have the typical European style of football on display against the South American style.
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WHAATT???!!!....Eh??....how??!!.... :frustrated: :frustrated:
*grrroooooaaaannn*...I could see Zeppo now....*grrrooooaaannnn* ::) :puking:
Mods all yuh need emoticons for "headache", "stress", "pressah"....
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Licks!!!!!
But fuh real, the US spoil my Sunday already.
I was sure we watching Brazil v Spain.
Nah man Sunday aint spoi....if u a true football fan !! it not spoil........cause they playing good !! I aint no USA FAN but the men handling they stories
Agreed; that would actually be an exciting match. We wouldn't have the typical European style of football on display against the South American style.
USA not playing good, THEY WINNING, big difference. If they meet Brazil it will be worst than the last time they meet. I looking for about 5 from Brazil.
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alyuh see dat red :o I dih like usa to win nutten but jesus
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Did that deserve a red?
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Spain playing real shte, they don't want to score. If Spain want to score they could figure this out easily.
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If Spain let the US beat them...lol...they'll never live it down.
Spain eh letting nobody beat them,which team does do that,the US going to cut they rass :devil: ,this is a lesson to all who feel they know Football,all the US haters i hope by now you understand the US don't play this game by guess,they may never be a powerhouse but respect you have to respect them,players like Donavan,Altidore etc who peeps saying are no good,watch them against the best in the world no nerves and playing so well,it all boils down to tactics, good game Coach Bradley.
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Licks!!!!!
But fuh real, the US spoil my Sunday already.
I was sure we watching Brazil v Spain.
Nah man Sunday aint spoi....if u a true football fan !! it not spoil........cause they playing good !! I aint no USA FAN but the men handling they stories
Agreed; that would actually be an exciting match. We wouldn't have the typical European style of football on display against the South American style.
Brazil beating Spain is me enjoying the beatdown.
Brazil beating the US, come like the US beating T&T. Yuh expecting that.
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Did that deserve a red?
Who get a red??
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If Spain let the US beat them...lol...they'll never live it down.
Spain eh letting nobody beat them,which team does do that,the US going to cut they rass :devil: ,this is a lesson to all who feel they know Football,all the US haters i hope by now you understand the US don't play this game by guess,they may never be a powerhouse but respect you have to respect them,players like Donavan,Altidore etc who peeps saying are no good,watch them against the best in the world no nerves and playing so well,it all boils down to tactics, good game Coach Bradley.
Coop's I understand what you saying, but I won't go so far as to say good tactical game.
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Did that deserve a red?
Who get a red??
Young Bradley
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If Spain let the US beat them...lol...they'll never live it down.
Spain eh letting nobody beat them,which team does do that,the US going to cut they rass :devil: ,this is a lesson to all who feel they know Football,all the US haters i hope by now you understand the US don't play this game by guess,they may never be a powerhouse but respect you have to respect them,players like Donavan,Altidore etc who peeps saying are no good,watch them against the best in the world no nerves and playing so well,it all boils down to tactics, good game Coach Bradley.
Spain tutu down deyself. Plain and simple. Spain sour. Dey need a bush bath.
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U.S don't play pretty but always get the job done,win results are important not the pretty play.
My money on them any day and they ain't scared to play the best in world that is why they are ranked high
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Take win, take win!
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Why every ball Spain get going to the left side? They not even looking to play the right side. They not even making the right side an option. You bring in a sub on the right and play all the ball to the left. The last 5 million passes into the final 1/3 by Spain went into the left side.
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Dey should fine Spain dey full match fee!
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Good tactics my ASS! Munny Pass!
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I'll quote myself
Dem US boys ballin outta their mind and Spain just lookin shocked.
This is what happens when you come through a shit group and flatter to deceive.
US has been tested by Brazil, Italy and Egypt and came here ready to play.
bang bang. You could have made plenty money off the US tonight. I wonder what the odds were in Vegas
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Zeppo in allyuh mudda ass
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Zeppo in allyuh mudda ass
:P
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Good tactics my ASS! Munny Pass!
I've been saying it for a while,you have to respect US soccer,if you don't....who can't here will feel.
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:applause: :applause:
Great going America. All the way to the final.
Make CONCACAF proud.
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so who here think we beating the usa here???? out dem nuh good and they only look good around us
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Licks!!!!!
But fuh real, the US spoil my Sunday already.
I was sure we watching Brazil v Spain.
Nah man Sunday aint spoi....if u a true football fan !! it not spoil........cause they playing good !! I aint no USA FAN but the men handling they stories
Agreed; that would actually be an exciting match. We wouldn't have the typical European style of football on display against the South American style.
USA not playing good, THEY WINNING, big difference. If they meet Brazil it will be worst than the last time they meet. I looking for about 5 from Brazil.
I am not watching the match have to catch the replay.........but I not talking bout this match alone. USA does play some decent ball dread........ yeah they not on the technical levels as Brazil and dem big horse.........but they aint no shit side like some people claim they are. They are good opponents and they improving all the time!!
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unbelievable
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Licks!!!!!
But fuh real, the US spoil my Sunday already.
I was sure we watching Brazil v Spain.
Nah man Sunday aint spoi....if u a true football fan !! it not spoil........cause they playing good !! I aint no USA FAN but the men handling they stories
Agreed; that would actually be an exciting match. We wouldn't have the typical European style of football on display against the South American style.
USA not playing good, THEY WINNING, big difference. If they meet Brazil it will be worst than the last time they meet. I looking for about 5 from Brazil.
I am not watching the match have to catch the replay.........but I not talking bout this match alone. USA does play some decent ball dread........ yeah they not on the technical levels as Brazil and dem big horse.........but they aint no shit side like some people claim they are. They are good opponents and they improving all the time!!
Dred,
You ent get the memo or what?
We hatin! It ent have no logic in that.
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Zeppo in allyuh mudda ass
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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This US side has speed and speed kills.
TNT needs more speed!
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Licks!!!!!
But fuh real, the US spoil my Sunday already.
I was sure we watching Brazil v Spain.
Nah man Sunday aint spoi....if u a true football fan !! it not spoil........cause they playing good !! I aint no USA FAN but the men handling they stories
Agreed; that would actually be an exciting match. We wouldn't have the typical European style of football on display against the South American style.
USA not playing good, THEY WINNING, big difference. If they meet Brazil it will be worst than the last time they meet. I looking for about 5 from Brazil.
I am not watching the match have to catch the replay.........but I not talking bout this match alone. USA does play some decent ball dread........ yeah they not on the technical levels as Brazil and dem big horse.........but they aint no shit side like some people claim they are. They are good opponents and they improving all the time!!
Okay I get you. Yeah they does play some decent ball. When they get some players they will be very difficult to stop. If USA change coach now to someone like Klinsman, You will see a much different team, in areas like style of play and personnel on the pitch.
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:) Wow good showing by the US...that is an unbelievable win...well done.
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Zeppo in allyuh mudda ass
*grrrrooooaaannn*....Mods all yuh design that headache emoticon yet?? :banginghead: :banginghead: :frustrated:
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This US side has speed and speed kills.
TNT needs more speed!
They also FIT and demonstrated some desire and heart in representing their country...
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f**kery
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f**kery
:rotfl:
Ah feel de mods need to design ah emoticon for that too.... ;D
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Zeppo in allyuh mudda ass
*grrrrooooaaannn*....Mods all yuh design that headache emoticon yet?? :banginghead: :banginghead: :frustrated:
Brownsugar, I have a humble request.
DON'T START TO BACK BRAZIL.
Please and thanks.
Also....to give us the best possible opportunity....consider not supporting our Soca Warrirors. Support Honduras or someting.
Kindest Regards,
Bourbon.
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Zeppo in allyuh mudda ass
*grrrrooooaaannn*....Mods all yuh design that headache emoticon yet?? :banginghead: :banginghead: :frustrated:
Brownsugar, I have a humble request.
DON'T START TO BACK BRAZIL.
Please and thanks.
Also....to give us the best possible opportunity....consider not supporting our Soca Warrirors. Support Honduras or someting.
Kindest Regards,
Bourbon.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Ah cyar guarantee that part in bold... ;D
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When i said the U.S. is ah big team ppl say ah was crazy!! now look.
i real scared for brazil, but on the other hand dunga is ah far better tactician than bradly.
i'm not suprised! the U.S. played like they always do, with real hustle, urgency and with blood in their socks!! that's what ah like about them, they does leave every thing on the field!!
show the world concacaf could compete with the best of them. Go concacaf !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Zeppo in allyuh mudda ass
*grrrrooooaaannn*....Mods all yuh design that headache emoticon yet?? :banginghead: :banginghead: :frustrated:
Brownsugar, I have a humble request.
DON'T START TO BACK BRAZIL.
Please and thanks.
Also....to give us the best possible opportunity....consider not supporting our Soca Warrirors. Support Honduras or someting.
Kindest Regards,
Bourbon.
Yuh tryin to say she's a jinx? She should change she name to Burnt Sugar?
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Is not Burntsugar... is kicker is de damn blasted blight... everybody calling for a Brazil-Spain penalty shootout as a anti-climax to the HYPE..
dis man gone and call a USA - South Africa final.... jeezan... i should call him and spoil de damn game.. you know he TIVO it
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Great win for the U.S....This was a Spain team that was flying high, and looking like they could dominate int'l football if they continued on that path...So much for the highly anticipated Brazil/Spain matchup.
8/10 times Spain woulda won this game...this was one of those 2 other times.
U.S. did what they needed to do...In all honesty they aren't good enough to beat big teams in a pretty fashion...Exactly what they did, is exactly how they have to be prepared to beat better, more technical teams...
Zeppo, like yuhself!!!
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Is not Burntsugar... is kicker is de damn blasted blight... everybody calling for a Brazil-Spain penalty shootout as a anti-climax to the HYPE..
dis man gone and call a USA - South Africa final.... jeezan... i should call him and spoil de damn game.. you know he TIVO it
send de man ah text or call him from ah unknown number nuh man..
doh even wait for him to answer.. as soon as yuh hear "Hello" just bawl out de score and hang up.
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Zeppo in allyuh mudda ass
*grrrrooooaaannn*....Mods all yuh design that headache emoticon yet?? :banginghead: :banginghead: :frustrated:
Brownsugar, I have a humble request.
DON'T START TO BACK BRAZIL.
Please and thanks.
Also....to give us the best possible opportunity....consider not supporting our Soca Warrirors. Support Honduras or someting.
Kindest Regards,
Bourbon.
Yuh tryin to say she's a jinx? She should change she name to Burnt Sugar?
No i not saying she's a jinx. I saying she's a blight. Plain and simple. A nex man i watching suspect is omar.
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Is not Burntsugar... is kicker is de damn blasted blight... everybody calling for a Brazil-Spain penalty shootout as a anti-climax to the HYPE..
dis man gone and call a USA - South Africa final.... jeezan... i should call him and spoil de damn game.. you know he TIVO it
LOL!! :rotfl:
Nah I eh DVR it dis rongs...went in a bar and watch it lol...
Hoss under all the ole talk, I was sensin' this upset for a while but didn't want tuh jumbie de vibes lol...I real wanted a Brazil - Spain final but this upset was looming.
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Is not Burntsugar... is kicker is de damn blasted blight... everybody calling for a Brazil-Spain penalty shootout as a anti-climax to the HYPE..
dis man gone and call a USA - South Africa final.... jeezan... i should call him and spoil de damn game.. you know he TIVO it
send de man ah text or call him from ah unknown number nuh man..
doh even wait for him to answer.. as soon as yuh hear "Hello" just bawl out de score and hang up.
:rotfl: I was now gone do dat self and yuh know de man come and post
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Is not Burntsugar... is kicker is de damn blasted blight... everybody calling for a Brazil-Spain penalty shootout as a anti-climax to the HYPE..
dis man gone and call a USA - South Africa final.... jeezan... i should call him and spoil de damn game.. you know he TIVO it
send de man ah text or call him from ah unknown number nuh man..
doh even wait for him to answer.. as soon as yuh hear "Hello" just bawl out de score and hang up.
:rotfl: I was now gone do dat self and yuh know de man come and post
Both ah all yuh idle... ;D
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It sure beats what Spain will have you and your team swallowing on Wednesday!
Keep coming with those brilliant predictions, Mango Chump!
They're like gold!
:rotfl:
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Is not Burntsugar... is kicker is de damn blasted blight... everybody calling for a Brazil-Spain penalty shootout as a anti-climax to the HYPE..
dis man gone and call a USA - South Africa final.... jeezan... i should call him and spoil de damn game.. you know he TIVO it
LOL!! :rotfl:
Nah I eh DVR it dis rongs...went in a bar and watch it lol...
Hoss under all the ole talk, I was sensin' this upset for a while but didn't want tuh jumbie de vibes lol...I real wanted a Brazil - Spain final but this upset was looming.
I kinda glad doh....end dat streak Spain had.
Buh i was studying it lil bit... next ting it had collusion...Dunga and Bradley talk after de Brazil/USA game.
Bradley: Congrats on de win. Yuh know any club dat I could send my resume in? I feel dem looking to pop my neck.
Dunga: Hear wha....we could come to a understanding. We go manners italy for allyuh 3-0....and allyuh could beat egypt and scrape in. I go give yuh de tactical diagrams and ting we use on dem...dey good for bout 3 easy. I have a plan work out for Spain too..buh by de time i get to use it..dem woulda done break we record...so...i go give yuh dat too..allyuh go use it...end dey streak right dey...and den we go talk Sunday.
Bradley: Awww shucks! Gee thats awful nice of you.
Dunga: Doh be skinning and grinning..dis is big man ting. If allyuh doh beat spain..allyuh go hadda pay for dah bligh we give allyuh with Italy. Allyuh cyar make we go and waste out we magic dust jus so for nuttin.
Bradley: So yuh have de plans to beat Brazil?
Dunga: Check Egypt and dem...dahs if dem hoes eh take it when dey clean dem out.
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Is not Burntsugar... is kicker is de damn blasted blight... everybody calling for a Brazil-Spain penalty shootout as a anti-climax to the HYPE..
dis man gone and call a USA - South Africa final.... jeezan... i should call him and spoil de damn game.. you know he TIVO it
LOL!! :rotfl:
Nah I eh DVR it dis rongs...went in a bar and watch it lol...
Hoss under all the ole talk, I was sensin' this upset for a while but didn't want tuh jumbie de vibes lol...I real wanted a Brazil - Spain final but this upset was looming.
Agreed.
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When i said the U.S. is ah big team ppl say ah was crazy!! now look.
i real scared for brazil, but on the other hand dunga is ah far better tactician than bradly.
i'm not suprised! the U.S. played like they always do, with real hustle, urgency and with blood in their socks!! that's what ah like about them, they does leave every thing on the field!!
show the world concacaf could compete with the best of them. Go concacaf !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OK, don't get carried away now. Bout you rel scared for Brasil. steupsssssssssss
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Is not Burntsugar... is kicker is de damn blasted blight... everybody calling for a Brazil-Spain penalty shootout as a anti-climax to the HYPE..
dis man gone and call a USA - South Africa final.... jeezan... i should call him and spoil de damn game.. you know he TIVO it
LOL!! :rotfl:
Nah I eh DVR it dis rongs...went in a bar and watch it lol...
Hoss under all the ole talk, I was sensin' this upset for a while but didn't want tuh jumbie de vibes lol...I real wanted a Brazil - Spain final but this upset was looming.
I kinda glad doh....end dat streak Spain had.
Buh i was studying it lil bit... next ting it had collusion...Dunga and Bradley talk after de Brazil/USA game.
Bradley: Congrats on de win. Yuh know any club dat I could send my resume in? I feel dem looking to pop my neck.
Dunga: Hear wha....we could come to a understanding. We go manners italy for allyuh 3-0....and allyuh could beat egypt and scrape in. I go give yuh de tactical diagrams and ting we use on dem...dey good for bout 3 easy. I have a plan work out for Spain too..buh by de time i get to use it..dem woulda done break we record...so...i go give yuh dat too..allyuh go use it...end dey streak right dey...and den we go talk Sunday.
Bradley: Awww shucks! Gee thats awful nice of you.
Dunga: Doh be skinning and grinning..dis is big man ting. If allyuh doh beat spain..allyuh go hadda pay for dah bligh we give allyuh with Italy. Allyuh cyar make we go and waste out we magic dust jus so for nuttin.
Bradley: So yuh have de plans to beat Brazil?
Dunga: Check Egypt and dem...dahs if dem hoes eh take it when dey clean dem out.
:rotfl:
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I doh like how ppl underestimating the U.S. victory! they beat the african champs and kept ah clean sheet , they coulda beat italy if not for the cheating ref, and they just buss two on the european champs and # 1 rank, and did it in style by keeping ah clean sheet,
so why allyuh doh give it up to them , they studied spain and instead of giving them room in the final third to maneuver they stifled their midfield attack while catching them twice on ah counter attack! to me that was genius by bradly, so allyuh just give it up to them nah, they beat spain on tactics.
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Great win for the US. I eh go lie...it eh bad watching Spain get humbled.
The US is going to be tough for whoever they play in the final. Throughout this tournament (and WC qualifying) Bradley has been trying a lot of different combinations and made a couple of personnel decisions that hurt the team balance and their performance.
But now they settle on a very solid back 4. Playing BocaNegra on the left is brilliant. Spector is a good player on the right and Onyewu and De Merit showing great fight, and chemistry. That back 4 was a big problem for the US for a while..especially that left side..As long as them fellas fit, I think BB find his starting back 4 for the remainder of qualifying at maybe even 2010. US also realize that the Clarke / Bradley combo in the middle giving you real steel. And the last part is BB finally had the guts to play two fast, physical forwards. This occupies the opposition back line and allows guys like Donavan and Dempsey room to run and create. When they were playing only 1 forward up top, the mf was under too much pressure.
US made some great discoveries this tournament. And that is waht these kinds of tournaments are for.
Hoping for a Brazil v US final.
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On that note ... here's a lil retrospective that might be useful re: the recent Brazil-Italy game.
Brazil: Dunga's central midfield headache
by Carlos Grover, Bleacher Report
May 12, 2009
With the 2010 World Cup in South Africa fast approaching, Dunga's Brazil squad has a long way to go before the final group is established. Dunga's tactics are unique, and one of the defining characteristics of his Brazil team is the use of two holding midfield players. As a player, Dunga played in this role captaining Brazil's 1994 World Cup champions and Brazil's 1998 finalists. He clearly sees great value in providing a defensive foundation in the midfield that is capable of regaining position in order for the creative midfielders such as Ronaldinho, Elano, or Kaka to create chances.
As of yet, however, Dunga has struggled to find the right players to accomplish that goal. The only consistently selected player for this role has been Panathiakos midfielder Gilberto Silva. Although Gilberto Silva is an intelligent player who plays a leadership role on the team, he struggles to perform what is needed from this position. Unfortunately, Gilberto Silva lacks the athleticism necessary to cover the ground and do the 'dirty work.' It seems Dunga has a soft spot for Gilberto Silva, however, as the World Cup approaches, he must be eying some of the new blood for the spot.
The most recent player given a chance to fill that role is Fiorentina's Felipe Melo. In his first appearance for Brazil in a friendly against Italy, Felipe Melo was paired alongside Gilberto Silva forming that defensive duo at the heart of the Brazil lineup. Melo demonstrated both in the friendly and later in World Cup qualifier against Peru (in which he scored) that he has the athleticism that Brazil has long been lacking there. Although he does not have the maturity of Gilberto Silva, he proved himself a strong tackler and reasonable distributor of the ball. His determination was an injection of energy in the duo usually composed of Josue and Gilberto Silva.
Assistant coach Jorginho recognized Felipe Melo's contribution to the team by stating about his performance against Italy.
"This is the type of posture we need from a player. He came in (to the Brazil team) very well and conquered his space."
Felipe Melo is not the only player looking to make his mark and take on this essential role for Brazil. Many others, including Lucas of Liverpool, Hernanes of Sao Paulo, and even players that don't fill this function for their clubs, have come in and performed for Brazil, such as Julio Baptista of Roma, and Anderson of Manchester United.
The essential quality that Brazil lacks when Gilberto Silva is on the field is athleticism. These younger players provide the energy to make up the ground that players like Ronaldinho, Kaka, or Elano leave by not tracking back. Although it has not been suggested yet, one player who performs this function extremely efficiently is Porto's Fernando. In Porto's Champions League encounter against Manchester United, he routinely dispossessed some of the best players in the world. He is a workhorse and it is his energy that allows Porto to look forward and play attacking soccer. He still lacks the distributive capabilities that Gilberto Silva has, but the reality is that it isn't the job of this position to be creating opportunities (something which Gilberto Silva lacks the creativity to do anyway).
Brazil has always been able to keep the ball, however the untold story is how, in every successful Brazil team in modern times, Brazil has also won the midfield battle. Dunga's selection headaches will continue to worsen as the World Cup approaches. In order to compete against the strength of midfields such as Argentina's (whose center midfield holding options include the likes of Esteban Cambiasso, Mascherano, and Fernando Gago) or any of the European powers, Dunga must invigorate Brazil's midfield.
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Steeuups...Spain is ah shit side. Too much small goal. Ah doh know who worse, dem or Argentina. They lucky they will not meet Brazil. With all them men in attack so much so all the time, Brazil woulda score about 12 on them on the counter.
THAT TEAM EH GOOD!! IT WILL BE THE SAME IN THE WC!!
Anyway, first time USA play some football, instead of their usual bland robot brand. Maybe, maaaybbe, I can start showing them a little respect.
BIG UP CONCACAF!!!!
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i dvr the game to watch it later and just happen to open espn.com not expecting no football score or nothing.....lo and behold, de say USA beat Spain, Altidore and Dempsey score, waaayyyyyy!
i wish we could be as shitty (and arrogant/confident?)as the US oui.
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Steeuups...Spain is ah shit side. Too much small goal. Ah doh know who worse, dem or Argentina. They lucky they will not meet Brazil. With all them men in attack so much so all the time, Brazil woulda score about 12 on them on the counter.
THAT TEAM EH GOOD!! IT WILL BE THE SAME IN THE WC!!
Anyway, first time USA play some football, instead of their usual bland robot brand. Maybe, maaaybbe, I can start showing them a little respect.
BIG UP CONCACAF!!!!
We off to de races ... Spain is a shit side. Hmm.
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Uhmmmmm I tell people from a couple years now........ The sates aint no walk over and they are definately top team in Concacaf!
Try tellin dat to Costa Rica.
People have extremely short memories yes.
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When i said the U.S. is ah big team ppl say ah was crazy!! now look.
i real scared for brazil, but on the other hand dunga is ah far better tactician than bradly.
i'm not suprised! the U.S. played like they always do, with real hustle, urgency and with blood in their socks!! that's what ah like about them, they does leave every thing on the field!!
show the world concacaf could compete with the best of them. Go concacaf !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Upon what evidence?
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The US is going to be tough for whoever they play in the final.
Bet yuh dey get 4 in dey pweffen on Sunday.
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When i said the U.S. is ah big team ppl say ah was crazy!! now look.
i real scared for brazil, but on the other hand dunga is ah far better tactician than bradly.
i'm not suprised! the U.S. played like they always do, with real hustle, urgency and with blood in their socks!! that's what ah like about them, they does leave every thing on the field!!
show the world concacaf could compete with the best of them. Go concacaf !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OK, don't get carried away now. Bout you rel scared for Brasil. steupsssssssssss
Like you now start watching brazil or what?? as ah brazilian fanatic who watching brazil since 1973 when the great revalinho and reynaldo donned the yellow and blue, brazil does always win the hard games and choke on the easy ones.
plus i have all right to be scared, remember, egypt and spain just got shutt the fack out, and them two teams is real big time dominatant teams. i believe brazil could win , but they have tuh get past S.A. first.
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When i said the U.S. is ah big team ppl say ah was crazy!! now look.
i real scared for brazil, but on the other hand dunga is ah far better tactician than bradly.
i'm not suprised! the U.S. played like they always do, with real hustle, urgency and with blood in their socks!! that's what ah like about them, they does leave every thing on the field!!
show the world concacaf could compete with the best of them. Go concacaf !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Upon what evidence?
You not serious. Which team hit the World Champions three goals to nil?
Now Bradley is a genius and he better than Dunga.
::)
Fact is Spain was not Spain today. Whole day they looked like shit.
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Steeuups...Spain is ah shit side. Too much small goal. Ah doh know who worse, dem or Argentina. They lucky they will not meet Brazil. With all them men in attack so much so all the time, Brazil woulda score about 12 on them on the counter.
THAT TEAM EH GOOD!! IT WILL BE THE SAME IN THE WC!!
Anyway, first time USA play some football, instead of their usual bland robot brand. Maybe, maaaybbe, I can start showing them a little respect.
BIG UP CONCACAF!!!!
We off to de races ... Spain is a shit side. Hmm.
They have great players, and that will get you far most of the time, but when everybody serious about winning and matching their pace, that small goal crap can't win. This is my prediction for the WC............THEY WILL CHOKE AGAIN!!!
Do you realize that with all them men hanging out in the last third of the field in front USA goal, they eh really get a good look at goal? Only one setta scramble...small goal ting nah....like how we always use to score we goals.
Brazil, if them make it past SA woulda rest bout 20 on them.
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It sure beats what Spain will have you and your team swallowing on Wednesday!
Keep coming with those brilliant predictions, Mango Chump!
They're like gold!
:rotfl:
I sure will. usa is still a shit side, no matter how many sporadic "big" victories y'all get.
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When i said the U.S. is ah big team ppl say ah was crazy!! now look.
i real scared for brazil, but on the other hand dunga is ah far better tactician than bradly.
i'm not suprised! the U.S. played like they always do, with real hustle, urgency and with blood in their socks!! that's what ah like about them, they does leave every thing on the field!!
show the world concacaf could compete with the best of them. Go concacaf !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Upon what evidence?
You not serious. Which team hit the World Champions three goals to nil?
Now Bradley is a genius and he better than Dunga.
::)
Fact is Spain was not Spain today. Whole day they looked like shit.
It's called being shut down and shut out! ;D
BTW, thank yuh for saving meh some typing with assylum's crazy question.
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When i said the U.S. is ah big team ppl say ah was crazy!! now look.
i real scared for brazil, but on the other hand dunga is ah far better tactician than bradly.
i'm not suprised! the U.S. played like they always do, with real hustle, urgency and with blood in their socks!! that's what ah like about them, they does leave every thing on the field!!
show the world concacaf could compete with the best of them. Go concacaf !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Upon what evidence?
You not serious. Which team hit the World Champions three goals to nil?
Now Bradley is a genius and he better than Dunga.
::)
Fact is Spain was not Spain today. Whole day they looked like shit.
Toppa, yuh normally lil more discerning than this ... I know where I'm going wid dis ... leh JC respond nah.
The conflation of comparative (not necessarily comparable) results with an inference of a tactical deficit is a simplistic point of departure.
Frankly, Dunga has not yet cemented his tactical credibility. I won't oppose the position that Bradley also has not. What I do argue, is that there is an insufficient basis ...perhaps, even evidence ... to suggest one is more tactically astute than the other.
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Stats From the Group Stage (http://www.fifa.com/confederationscup/statistics/news/newsid=1075546.html#the+group+stages+statistical+stars)
Top scorers
Fernando Torres was quickest out of the blocks in the race for the adidas Golden Shoe, with an 11-minute hat-trick in Spain's opening match. However, the Liverpool striker has failed to score in his two subsequent appearances, allowing Luis Fabiano, scorer of a brace against Italy, and David Villa, who has netted in each of La Roja's three fixtures, to claim a share in the lead.
The leaders: Torres, Villa, Luis Fabiano (all 3); Kaka, Zidan, Parker, Rossi (all 2)
Shots on target
Bernard Parker might be just behind Torres, Villa and Luis Fabiano in the scoring charts, but the South Africa forward has proved the tournament's most accurate finisher, working the opposition goalkeeper on no fewer than ten occasions.
The leaders: Parker (10), Villa (7), Giuseppe Rossi (6)
Assists
Left-back Joan Capdevila earned a well-deserved rest for Spain's final group match after setting up three of La Roja's six goals against New Zealand and Iraq. With joint-leader Mohamed Aboutrika's tournament now over, Capdevila enters the semi-finals in pole position to be crowned South Africa 2009's top creator.
The leaders: Capdevila, Aboutrika (both 3), Fabregas, Kaka, Elano, Maicon, Masilela (all 2)
Completed passes
With Xavi finally gaining the kind of recognition his midfield mastery has long merited, no-one will be surprised to see that the Spain lynchpin has made more successful passes than any other player. What is truly impressive is that he has made 70 more than his nearest rival!
The leaders: Xavi (229), Pirlo (159), De Rossi (158)
Solo runs
Long renowned as one of the game's most exciting dribblers, Robinho has embarked on more solo runs than anyone else at South Africa 2009. Rivals include the predictable - Kaka - and the more surprising: full-backs Maicon and Capdevila and a midfielder, Xavi, more famous for his passing than dribbling.
The leaders: Robinho (12), Xavi, Maicon, Joan Capdevila (all 10), Jasim, Kaka (both 9)
Completed crosses
Idolised in his Egyptian homeland, Mohamed Aboutrika showed with three assists and nine successful crosses why his creative talents are considered to be without equal in Africa. Landon Donovan, on seven, is the best-placed of the candidates still involved in the tournament.
The leaders: Aboutrika (9), Donovan (7), Elliott, Pirlo (both 5)
Tackles
Mohamed Shawky, Egypt's combative central midfielder, was a colossal figure throughout their South Africa 2009 campaign, but with the Pharaohs heading home, the hosts' Sibonsio Gaxa must be favourite to claim the title of top tackler.
The leaders: Shawky, Gaxa (both 9), Ali Kareem (7), Gilberto Silva, Hussein Rehema, Parker, DeMerit, Gomaa, Juan (all 6)
Saves
Tim Howard was so busy in USA's opening two matches that, even after sitting out their final Group B fixture against Egypt, he still comfortably tops the save count. His three nearest rivals have all been eliminated, but with deputy Brad Guzan having kept a clean sheet against the Pharaohs, the greatest threat to Howard could come from within.
The leaders: Howard (17), El Hadary, Kassid (both 15), Moss (14)
Distance covered
USA monopolise the podium when it comes to South Africa 2009's hardest-working players, and Bob Bradley has particular reason to be proud of his son and star midfielder, who has covered an average of over 12 kilometres per match. Incidentally, the best-placed Spaniard in these standings, Xavi, lies a lowly 37th, underlining the European champions' ability to let the ball do the work.
The leaders: Bradley (36,426 metres), Dempsey (34,855), Donovan (34,263)
Top speed
Steven Pienaar, the hosts' star midfielder earned the tag of South Africa 2009's quickest player with a top speed of 31.66 km/h, leaving him just ahead of Brazilian wingback Andre Santos.
The leaders: Pienaar (31.66 km/h), Andre Santos (31.60), Emad Mohammed (31.59)
Fouls suffered
Nashat Akram endured a frustrating tournament with Iraq and, with 13 fouls committed against him, he was also the most picked-upon player of the group phase.
The leaders: Akram (13), Killen (10), Busquets, Shawky (both 9)
Fouls committed
The tournament's joint-leading scorer, Luis Fabiano is also top of this less illustrious table, which is dominated, perhaps surprisingly, by midfielders and forwards.
The leaders: Luis Fabiano (9), Killen, Dikgachoi, Smeltz, Sibaya (all 8), Shawky, Zambrotta, Abbas (all 7)
Crime count
In what has been a generally well-disciplined tournament, only one player - South Africa's Macbeth Sibaya - collected two cautions during the group stage. USA, meanwhile, will hope to keep all 11 men on the field when they face Spain, something they failed to do in their opening two fixtures.
The leaders: Clark, Kljestan, Al Muhamadi (1 red card), Sibaya (2 yellow cards)
Offside
Staying onside is clearly a skill Katlego Mashego has yet to master. Despite playing just 47 minutes so far, the South Africa forward has been flagged offside six times - an average of once ever 7.8 minutes!
The leaders: Mashego (6), Luis Fabiano (4), Villa, Abdelghani, Zidan, Zahra (all 3)
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When i said the U.S. is ah big team ppl say ah was crazy!! now look.
i real scared for brazil, but on the other hand dunga is ah far better tactician than bradly.
i'm not suprised! the U.S. played like they always do, with real hustle, urgency and with blood in their socks!! that's what ah like about them, they does leave every thing on the field!!
show the world concacaf could compete with the best of them. Go concacaf !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Upon what evidence?
You not serious. Which team hit the World Champions three goals to nil?
Now Bradley is a genius and he better than Dunga.
::)
Fact is Spain was not Spain today. Whole day they looked like shit.
Toppa, yuh normally lil more discerning than this ... I know where I'm going wid dis ... leh JC respond nah.
The conflation of comparative (not necessarily comparable) results with an inference of a tactical deficit is a simplistic point of departure.
???
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Wow ... is ah good thing i ent bet yes ... ah woulda be looking for crix and blueband tomorrow!
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When i said the U.S. is ah big team ppl say ah was crazy!! now look.
i real scared for brazil, but on the other hand dunga is ah far better tactician than bradly.
i'm not suprised! the U.S. played like they always do, with real hustle, urgency and with blood in their socks!! that's what ah like about them, they does leave every thing on the field!!
show the world concacaf could compete with the best of them. Go concacaf !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Upon what evidence?
You not serious. Which team hit the World Champions three goals to nil?
Now Bradley is a genius and he better than Dunga.
::)
Fact is Spain was not Spain today. Whole day they looked like shit.
Toppa, yuh normally lil more discerning than this ... I know where I'm going wid dis ... leh JC respond nah.
The conflation of comparative (not necessarily comparable) results with an inference of a tactical deficit is a simplistic point of departure.
Frankly, Dunga has not yet cemented his tactical credibility. I won't oppose the position that Bradley also has not. What I do argue, is that there is an insufficient basis ...perhaps, even evidence ... to suggest one is more tactically astute than the other.
All you have to do is compare Brazil's WC qualifiers with that of the US. I believe they recently beat Uruguay 4-0 IN Uruguay?
Didn't Brazil with the Copa America under Dunga? Mannersing the clear favourites Argentina in the final?
I can't believe you typed that under seriousness. You're comparing Bradley to Dunga and saying there's an insufficient basis to say which one is a better tactician? Brazil plays in South America, dear...the US plays in CONCACAF...
Don't forget that Brazil made Italy look like a joke.
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Wow ... is ah good thing i ent bet yes ... ah woulda be looking for crix and blueband tomorrow!
:rotfl:
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"In any game of football you have to fight to win and you can always lose, and our semi-final against USA will be no exception. That’s why I don’t want to hear any talk of a Spain-Brazil final."
- Spain coach Vicente del Bosque (pulled from FIFA's website)
Steeuups...Spain is ah shit side. Too much small goal. Ah doh know who worse, dem or Argentina. They lucky they will not meet Brazil. With all them men in attack so much so all the time, Brazil woulda score about 12 on them on the counter.
THAT TEAM EH GOOD!! IT WILL BE THE SAME IN THE WC!!
Anyway, first time USA play some football, instead of their usual bland robot brand. Maybe, maaaybbe, I can start showing them a little respect.
BIG UP CONCACAF!!!!
We off to de races ... Spain is a shit side. Hmm.
They have great players, and that will get you far most of the time, but when everybody serious about winning and matching their pace, that small goal crap can't win. This is my prediction for the WC............THEY WILL CHOKE AGAIN!!!
Do you realize that with all them men hanging out in the last third of the field in front USA goal, they eh really get a good look at goal? Only one setta scramble...small goal ting nah....like how we always use to score we goals.
Brazil, if them make it past SA woulda rest bout 20 on them.
Leh me say, I viewed from the 45' to the 61'. Right now, I'm waiting to hear someone wonder out loud whether del Bosque is a tactical genius relative to Bradley :devil:
I don't disagree that Spain and WC 2014 are likely to be disappointing ... had they won today, it would still be an uphill battle ...winning the Cup would have positioned them differently, but let's not lose sight of the fact that this is a team in transition post-Aragones.
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When i said the U.S. is ah big team ppl say ah was crazy!! now look.
i real scared for brazil, but on the other hand dunga is ah far better tactician than bradly.
i'm not suprised! the U.S. played like they always do, with real hustle, urgency and with blood in their socks!! that's what ah like about them, they does leave every thing on the field!!
show the world concacaf could compete with the best of them. Go concacaf !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Upon what evidence?
You not serious. Which team hit the World Champions three goals to nil?
Now Bradley is a genius and he better than Dunga.
::)
Fact is Spain was not Spain today. Whole day they looked like shit.
well then US was not de US when Costa Rica beat dem either
US looked like shit against costa rica
costa rica is not de euro champs
costa rica didn't have no winning streak going
dis game was not ah US home game
dis game was not played on artificial turf
why is it really so hard for some people to give dem fellahs a lil kudos for dey small achievement jed, yuh would tink de US is Nazi germany...sigh!
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Wow ... is ah good thing i ent bet yes ... ah woulda be looking for crix and blueband tomorrow!
You have de balls to say yuh woulda be lookin' for BOTH?!?! ;D
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It appears that Spain is going back to the underachieving ways. But lets be serious, Bradley made his team played a tactically sound game.Play tight defence and counter attack with speed and precision. I saw the 1st 20 mins. Spain had more possesion and more chances, but the US defended well and looked dangerous when they attack. This is good for our region. It means that the Caribbean teams have to raise their level of play. The better the US becomes, we will have to follow suit.
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When i said the U.S. is ah big team ppl say ah was crazy!! now look.
i real scared for brazil, but on the other hand dunga is ah far better tactician than bradly.
i'm not suprised! the U.S. played like they always do, with real hustle, urgency and with blood in their socks!! that's what ah like about them, they does leave every thing on the field!!
show the world concacaf could compete with the best of them. Go concacaf !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Upon what evidence?
You not serious. Which team hit the World Champions three goals to nil?
Now Bradley is a genius and he better than Dunga.
::)
Fact is Spain was not Spain today. Whole day they looked like shit.
Toppa, yuh normally lil more discerning than this ... I know where I'm going wid dis ... leh JC respond nah.The conflation of comparative (not necessarily comparable) results with an inference of a tactical deficit is a simplistic point of departure.
Frankly, Dunga has not yet cemented his tactical credibility. I won't oppose the position that Bradley also has not. What I do argue, is that there is an insufficient basis ...perhaps, even evidence ... to suggest one is more tactically astute than the other.
Breds weh yuh want meh tuh do, give yuh ah comprehensive analysis ?? well that could take all day, but i'll tell yuh what, i'll give yuh ah summery.
dunga took ah bunch of no name players, blanking the stars like ronaldinho, adriano, kaka, roberto carlos, zee roberto and won the copa america against argentina's top players, he also took brazil from playing fancy show boat football to hard core run yuh into the ground tip top fitness scoring against the run of play with the run of play while still looking pretty football.
he also have brazil in the top position of comebol qualifying, and he's defeated italy in style while neutralizing their offence, and ripping down their defence( the toughest in the world), plus they gave the U.S. ah lesson in football. give the man his props! he ah damn good tactician.
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When i said the U.S. is ah big team ppl say ah was crazy!! now look.
i real scared for brazil, but on the other hand dunga is ah far better tactician than bradly.
i'm not suprised! the U.S. played like they always do, with real hustle, urgency and with blood in their socks!! that's what ah like about them, they does leave every thing on the field!!
show the world concacaf could compete with the best of them. Go concacaf !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Upon what evidence?
You not serious. Which team hit the World Champions three goals to nil?
Now Bradley is a genius and he better than Dunga.
::)
Fact is Spain was not Spain today. Whole day they looked like shit.
Toppa, yuh normally lil more discerning than this ... I know where I'm going wid dis ... leh JC respond nah.
The conflation of comparative (not necessarily comparable) results with an inference of a tactical deficit is a simplistic point of departure.
Frankly, Dunga has not yet cemented his tactical credibility. I won't oppose the position that Bradley also has not. What I do argue, is that there is an insufficient basis ...perhaps, even evidence ... to suggest one is more tactically astute than the other.
All you have to do is compare Brazil's WC qualifiers with that of the US. I believe they recently beat Uruguay 4-0 IN Uruguay?
Didn't Brazil with the Copa America under Dunga? Mannersing the clear favourites Argentina in the final?
I can't believe you typed that under seriousness. You're comparing Bradley to Dunga and saying there's an insufficient basis to say which one is a better tactician? Brazil plays in South America, dear...the US plays in CONCACAF...
Don't forget that Brazil made Italy look like a joke.
Plenty apples and oranges.
I am very familiar with SA qualification ... However, I would caution against reading too much into where Brazil is now. I am a Brazil fan ... when Dunga was struggling with Tata Martinez, Bielsa, Rueda/Lara and Sixto Vizuete and couldn't beat Bolivia at home in de same qualifiers, where was this Dunga the superior tactician?
BTW, read the article I posted above re: Gilberto Silva.
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When i said the U.S. is ah big team ppl say ah was crazy!! now look.
i real scared for brazil, but on the other hand dunga is ah far better tactician than bradly.
i'm not suprised! the U.S. played like they always do, with real hustle, urgency and with blood in their socks!! that's what ah like about them, they does leave every thing on the field!!
show the world concacaf could compete with the best of them. Go concacaf !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Upon what evidence?
You not serious. Which team hit the World Champions three goals to nil?
Now Bradley is a genius and he better than Dunga.
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Fact is Spain was not Spain today. Whole day they looked like shit.
well then US was not de US when Costa Rica beat dem either
US looked like shit against costa rica
costa rica is not de euro champs
costa rica didn't have no winning streak going
dis game was not ah US home game
dis game was not played on artificial turf
why is it really so hard for some people to give dem fellahs a lil kudos for dey small achievement jed, yuh would tink de US is Nazi germany...sigh!
Why you so emotional? Yuh navel string bury in the US or wha? Who not giving them their props?
The gap between Spain and the US is too huge for it to be compared to any game in CONCACAF.
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When i said the U.S. is ah big team ppl say ah was crazy!! now look.
i real scared for brazil, but on the other hand dunga is ah far better tactician than bradly.
i'm not suprised! the U.S. played like they always do, with real hustle, urgency and with blood in their socks!! that's what ah like about them, they does leave every thing on the field!!
show the world concacaf could compete with the best of them. Go concacaf !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Upon what evidence?
You not serious. Which team hit the World Champions three goals to nil?
Now Bradley is a genius and he better than Dunga.
::)
Fact is Spain was not Spain today. Whole day they looked like shit.
Toppa, yuh normally lil more discerning than this ... I know where I'm going wid dis ... leh JC respond nah.
The conflation of comparative (not necessarily comparable) results with an inference of a tactical deficit is a simplistic point of departure.
Frankly, Dunga has not yet cemented his tactical credibility. I won't oppose the position that Bradley also has not. What I do argue, is that there is an insufficient basis ...perhaps, even evidence ... to suggest one is more tactically astute than the other.
All you have to do is compare Brazil's WC qualifiers with that of the US. I believe they recently beat Uruguay 4-0 IN Uruguay?
Didn't Brazil with the Copa America under Dunga? Mannersing the clear favourites Argentina in the final?
I can't believe you typed that under seriousness. You're comparing Bradley to Dunga and saying there's an insufficient basis to say which one is a better tactician? Brazil plays in South America, dear...the US plays in CONCACAF...
Don't forget that Brazil made Italy look like a joke.
Plenty apples and oranges.
I am very familiar with SA qualification ... However, I would caution against reading too much into where Brazil is now. I am a Brazil fan ... when Dunga was struggling with Tata Martinez, Bielsa, Rueda/Lara and Sixto Vizuete and couldn't beat Bolivia at home in de same qualifiers, where was this Dunga the superior tactician?
Oh, so now it's apples and oranges? So how else is one supposed to assess which coach is the better tactician but to look at the results they get? Yuh not making sense.
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Wow ... is ah good thing i ent bet yes ... ah woulda be looking for crix and blueband tomorrow!
You have de balls to say yuh woulda be lookin' for BOTH?!?! ;D
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Hmmm, how much credit should Jorginho get?
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When i said the U.S. is ah big team ppl say ah was crazy!! now look.
i real scared for brazil, but on the other hand dunga is ah far better tactician than bradly.
i'm not suprised! the U.S. played like they always do, with real hustle, urgency and with blood in their socks!! that's what ah like about them, they does leave every thing on the field!!
show the world concacaf could compete with the best of them. Go concacaf !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Upon what evidence?
You not serious. Which team hit the World Champions three goals to nil?
Now Bradley is a genius and he better than Dunga.
::)
Fact is Spain was not Spain today. Whole day they looked like shit.
Toppa, yuh normally lil more discerning than this ... I know where I'm going wid dis ... leh JC respond nah.
The conflation of comparative (not necessarily comparable) results with an inference of a tactical deficit is a simplistic point of departure.
Frankly, Dunga has not yet cemented his tactical credibility. I won't oppose the position that Bradley also has not. What I do argue, is that there is an insufficient basis ...perhaps, even evidence ... to suggest one is more tactically astute than the other.
All you have to do is compare Brazil's WC qualifiers with that of the US. I believe they recently beat Uruguay 4-0 IN Uruguay?
Didn't Brazil with the Copa America under Dunga? Mannersing the clear favourites Argentina in the final?
I can't believe you typed that under seriousness. You're comparing Bradley to Dunga and saying there's an insufficient basis to say which one is a better tactician? Brazil plays in South America, dear...the US plays in CONCACAF...
Don't forget that Brazil made Italy look like a joke.
Plenty apples and oranges.
I am very familiar with SA qualification ... However, I would caution against reading too much into where Brazil is now. I am a Brazil fan ... when Dunga was struggling with Tata Martinez, Bielsa, Rueda/Lara and Sixto Vizuete and couldn't beat Bolivia at home in de same qualifiers, where was this Dunga the superior tactician?
Oh, so now it's apples and oranges? So how else is one supposed to assess which coach is the better tactician but to look at the results they get? Yuh not making sense.
Painfully aware of it ...
On the basis of the assessment JC has rendered ... and you are subscribing to ... Aragones is/was the world's tactical guru, and del Bosque his heir ...
Do consider, results can be illusory.
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When i said the U.S. is ah big team ppl say ah was crazy!! now look.
i real scared for brazil, but on the other hand dunga is ah far better tactician than bradly.
i'm not suprised! the U.S. played like they always do, with real hustle, urgency and with blood in their socks!! that's what ah like about them, they does leave every thing on the field!!
show the world concacaf could compete with the best of them. Go concacaf !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Upon what evidence?
You not serious. Which team hit the World Champions three goals to nil?
Now Bradley is a genius and he better than Dunga.
::)
Fact is Spain was not Spain today. Whole day they looked like shit.
Toppa, yuh normally lil more discerning than this ... I know where I'm going wid dis ... leh JC respond nah.
The conflation of comparative (not necessarily comparable) results with an inference of a tactical deficit is a simplistic point of departure.
Frankly, Dunga has not yet cemented his tactical credibility. I won't oppose the position that Bradley also has not. What I do argue, is that there is an insufficient basis ...perhaps, even evidence ... to suggest one is more tactically astute than the other.
All you have to do is compare Brazil's WC qualifiers with that of the US. I believe they recently beat Uruguay 4-0 IN Uruguay?
Didn't Brazil with the Copa America under Dunga? Mannersing the clear favourites Argentina in the final?
I can't believe you typed that under seriousness. You're comparing Bradley to Dunga and saying there's an insufficient basis to say which one is a better tactician? Brazil plays in South America, dear...the US plays in CONCACAF...
Don't forget that Brazil made Italy look like a joke.
Plenty apples and oranges.
I am very familiar with SA qualification ... However, I would caution against reading too much into where Brazil is now. I am a Brazil fan ... when Dunga was struggling with Tata Martinez, Bielsa, Rueda/Lara and Sixto Vizuete and couldn't beat Bolivia at home in de same qualifiers, where was this Dunga the superior tactician?
Oh, so now it's apples and oranges? So how else is one supposed to assess which coach is the better tactician but to look at the results they get? Yuh not making sense.
Painfully aware of it.
:rotfl:
No scene...as long as yuh aware.
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Wow ... is ah good thing i ent bet yes ... ah woulda be looking for crix and blueband tomorrow!
Boy not you alone nah... :whistling: ;D
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Well done Usa ... :beermug: :devil:
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Toppa, on de serious ... I understand what you're suggesting but one element ah what I'm suggesting is yuh cyah examine Dunga in a vaccum ... yuh have to look at the full body of his work ... izza composite ... same with Bradley or anyone else ... If we were to break this down from the perspective of the US-Mexico rivalry ... at what point do Mexican losses or US victories translate into tactical superiority?
Dunga has a cupboard equipped with X ... that allows him to Y.
Bradley has a box equipped with C ... that allows him to do D.
It's not like the variables are identical and then we could willy nilly dismiss one over the other ... there are too many factors beyond results equal to superior tactics.
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Well done Usa ... :beermug: :devil:
Aye, Aye....careful I eh petition the mods to ban yuh eh.... ah done goh have Zeppo rubbing it in already, daiz enough... :devil: ;D
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Well done Usa ... :beermug: :devil:
Aye, Aye....careful I eh petition the mods to ban yuh eh.... ah done goh have Zeppo rubbing it in already, daiz enough... :devil: ;D
. I glad Spain lost...I want a SA win 2moro
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Well done Usa ... :beermug: :devil:
Aye, Aye....careful I eh petition the mods to ban yuh eh.... ah done goh have Zeppo rubbing it in already, daiz enough... :devil: ;D
. I glad Spain lost...I want a SA win 2moro
Chups I forget you like England.... ::)....I backing SA too....for Bourbon's sake... ;D
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Toppa, on de serious ... I understand what you're suggesting but one element ah what I'm suggesting is yuh cyah examine Dunga in a vaccum ... yuh have to look at the full body of his work ... izza composite ... same with Bradley or anyone else ... If we were to break this down from the perspective of the US-Mexico rivalry ... at what point do Mexican losses or US victories translate into tactical superiority?
Dunga has a cupboard equipped with X ... that allows him to Y.
Bradley has a box equipped with C ... that allows him to do D.
It's not like the variables are identical and then we could willy nilly dismiss one over the other ... there are too many factors beyond results equal to superior tactics.
No, point is, people getting carried away with this US win over Spain.
It was more Spain being very poor on the day than the US being very good and I didn't see any evidence of much tactical brilliance on the part of Bradley.
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spain let me down bad. dem americans so arrogant already. steups. i want 'team usa soccer', ah see daiz wat dey callin dem now, ???, to get blow out sunday.
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Well done Usa ... :beermug: :devil:
Aye, Aye....careful I eh petition the mods to ban yuh eh.... ah done goh have Zeppo rubbing it in already, daiz enough... :devil: ;D
Jes remind small mag bout de lixxxx he young lions about to tek on Friday from Sweden....all rubbin een done...even doh yuh go have to hol a cuss or 2 in de process. 8)
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I backing SA too
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I cant believe its not butter :o
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Well done Usa ... :beermug: :devil:
Aye, Aye....careful I eh petition the mods to ban yuh eh.... ah done goh have Zeppo rubbing it in already, daiz enough... :devil: ;D
. I glad Spain lost...I want a SA win 2moro
Chups I forget you like England.... ::)....I backing SA too....for Bourbon's sake... ;D
Thank You kindly my dear. ;) You'll let me know when you decide about the Soca Warriors aight?
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schups I sour yes. >:(
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dem americans so arrogant already. steups.
Yeah. Because when we rolling we eyes at Grenada or vex about Bermuda, is because we thoroughly respect our opponents.
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I real glad spain egypt and spain get it!! that made me feel ah lil better knowing we eh the only team who eat licks from america this rounds. now ah feeling better about losing twice in ah disgracful defeat to the U.S. of A.
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Toppa, on de serious ... I understand what you're suggesting but one element ah what I'm suggesting is yuh cyah examine Dunga in a vaccum ... yuh have to look at the full body of his work ... izza composite ... same with Bradley or anyone else ... If we were to break this down from the perspective of the US-Mexico rivalry ... at what point do Mexican losses or US victories translate into tactical superiority?
Dunga has a cupboard equipped with X ... that allows him to Y.
Bradley has a box equipped with C ... that allows him to do D.
It's not like the variables are identical and then we could willy nilly dismiss one over the other ... there are too many factors beyond results equal to superior tactics.
No, point is, people getting carried away with this US win over Spain.
It was more Spain being very poor on the day than the US being very good and I didn't see any evidence of much tactical brilliance on the part of Bradley.
You suckin ah lil to hard on dem grapes girl. :devil:
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No, point is, people getting carried away with this US win over Spain.
It was more Spain being very poor on the day than the US being very good and I didn't see any evidence of much tactical brilliance on the part of Bradley.
Ever consider that part of Spain's being on the day bad could have been due to the tactical moves by the U.S.A ? You sounding like them Man U fans who bawl that they didn't show up against Barca...like Barca had nothing to do with it.
I would be the first to say that I think that Spain would beat the U.S. 8 out of 10 times (just throwing out a number to make a point), but yuh hadda give the States some props... Even on a bad day, Spain could beat teams...and good teams too-Spain didn't score on themselves, they didn't hit all their shots wide and high, and they didn't pass the ball to the Americans....
No need to get carried away over this win sure, but yuh hadda recognize that the U.S. unit has the potential to lift the game of a bunch of MLSers and relative small teamers to give a big team something to think about, and whether or not B.Bradley is a tactical genius, he deserves some credit for it 'cause it's not like he's working with a bunch of all-stars...
On another note, in the space of 2 games I think B.Bradley saved his job...up until Egypt the U.S. was struggling... Now they have a new confidence...amazing the turn around
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Kicker, one day yuh should try being thoughtless.
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dem americans so arrogant already. steups.
Yeah. Because when we rolling we eyes at Grenada or vex about Bermuda, is because we thoroughly respect our opponents.
As yuh mention them ...
Say, we play St. Kitts, Lucia, SVG, Dominica, USVI etc. 36 times ... whais de chance we could geh a world record?
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Ever consider that part of Spain's being on the day bad could have been due to the tactical moves by the U.S.A ? You sounding like them Man U fans who bawl that they didn't show up against Barca...like Barca had nothing to do with it.
I would be the first to say that I think that Spain would beat the U.S. 8 out of 10 times (just throwing out a number to make a point), but yuh hadda give the States some props... Even on a bad day, Spain could beat teams...and good teams too-Spain didn't score on themselves, they didn't hit all their shots wide and high, and they didn't pass the ball to the Americans....
No need to get carried away over this win sure, but yuh hadda recognize that the U.S. unit has the potential to lift the game of a bunch of MLSers and relative small teamers to give a big team something to think about, and whether or not B.Bradley is a tactical genius, he deserves some credit for it 'cause it's not like he's working with a bunch of all-stars...
On another note, in the space of 2 games I think B.Bradley saved his job...up until Egypt the U.S. was struggling... Now they have a new confidence...amazing the turn around
Well stated. I agree with everything you said here.
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Well done Yanks
Tommy Smyth predict that USA will win a world cup within this century.. ..after today I must say anything is possible..
what will be f**ked up is that if that happens..alot of American would not even know/care.. :beermug:
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Well done Yanks
Tommy Smyth predict that USA will win a world cup within this century.. ..after today I must say anything is possible..
what will be f**ked up is that if that happens..alot most of American would not even know/care.. :beermug:
Don't worry. The rest of concacaf will be right there to revel in their success. (and it would make concacaf that much better, too.)
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After watching Spain play in the 1st half even though they were down. I was convinced that the old adage "Goals win matches" was not completely true. I was ready to change it to "Players win matches" There was no way USA was going to hold on the way Spain was playing. But I guess the old adage is true. The only consolation with Spain is that it is hard to play teams below our level. It's either a blowout or a headache. Today it was Spain's headache. This game reminded me of T&T verses England and Sweden. The difference is not a mystery after you defend so much your strikers have to finish our strikers didn't. Do you know where we'll be if our strike scored their opportunities? Anyhow, expect a clinic in the finals though at this level you don't get lucky twice. 4-0 Brazil. If they win tomw. ::)
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I backing SA too
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Hello, quote mih properly please.... ;D
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Well done Yanks
Tommy Smyth predict that USA will win a world cup within this century.. ..after today I must say anything is possible..
what will be f**ked up is that if that happens..alot of American would not even know/care.. :beermug:
Forget that...they beat f**king Spain today and I sure 90% 99.99% of their country men doh care!!!....imagine if we beat Spain at any point in time....is fete for days and weeks....dais de part does hurt mih...ssssstttteeeepppsss!!!..
And I beginning to feel Zeppo is the only fan dey have.... :devil: ;D
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Spain did not play like Spain. They were individualistic and disjointed. They came out having "won" the game, saving themselves for Sunday.
Second half USA played NO FOOTBALL whatsoever. They parked all of City Gate and Morvant Taxi Stand in fron the goal.
Tha's how you win a a Tournament. Love Bradley.
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i am one of de haters yes i admit that but i will say this, usa might not have the best team on paper but when it comes to team chemistry they are up there. with team chemistry things will keep clicking... look at south korea for instance. majority of their players arent well known yet they play as a UNIT. south korea possesses a great chemistry and i think usa is right up there with them...above brasil and all. you fellas may think different but thats how i see it.
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Second half USA played NO FOOTBALL whatsoever. They parked all of City Gate and Morvant Taxi Stand in fron the goal.
When Chelsea did that against Barca, it was genius though.... :P
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Well the Spaniards and Dutch are the biggest chokers in history :rotfl: We have to keep that in mind
This look more like a sellout than a choke. All of a sudden them Spainish makin' ONE settta bad pass in a game?! Yeah, RIGHT!!
CONCACAF is the BEST CONFEDERATION
Arrow, wha ya tink?
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steups ah still cant believe it
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Spain did not play like Spain. They were individualistic and disjointed. They came out having "won" the game, saving themselves for Sunday.
Second half USA played NO FOOTBALL whatsoever. They parked all of City Gate and Morvant Taxi Stand in fron the goal.
Tha's how you win a a Tournament. Love Bradley.
Is a good thing they did not play anything in the second half,like you forget they scored in that period as well,their plan was perfectly well executed,remember this,always play to suit yourself and don't worry with people.
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attaway USA!!!
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When i said the U.S. is ah big team ppl say ah was crazy!! now look.
i real scared for brazil, but on the other hand dunga is ah far better tactician than bradly.
i'm not suprised! the U.S. played like they always do, with real hustle, urgency and with blood in their socks!! that's what ah like about them, they does leave every thing on the field!!
show the world concacaf could compete with the best of them. Go concacaf !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Upon what evidence?
You not serious. Which team hit the World Champions three goals to nil?
Now Bradley is a genius and he better than Dunga.
::)
Fact is Spain was not Spain today. Whole day they looked like shit.
well then US was not de US when Costa Rica beat dem either
US looked like shit against costa rica
costa rica is not de euro champs
costa rica didn't have no winning streak going
dis game was not ah US home game
dis game was not played on artificial turf
why is it really so hard for some people to give dem fellahs a lil kudos for dey small achievement jed, yuh would tink de US is Nazi germany...sigh!
Why you so emotional? Yuh navel string bury in the US or wha? Who not giving them their props?
The gap between Spain and the US is too huge for it to be compared to any game in CONCACAF.
ah ha to give yuh props, to read my post and come up wid me being emotional, yuh good...i like de navel string too, so wha ah suppose to say, nah it bury in fyzo or brothers road?....sorry breds is just sometimes i does just jealous de men who know more bout football than me....look all i do is outline a few lil facts and was simply asking why ii so hard for men to give de US a lil kudos...so you could say, "Spain did not play like Spain today" and dais de gospel according to toppa? look boy rock f*&king so eh and leave me alone eh!!!!! (dat is emotional!)
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When i said the U.S. is ah big team ppl say ah was crazy!! now look.
i real scared for brazil, but on the other hand dunga is ah far better tactician than bradly.
i'm not suprised! the U.S. played like they always do, with real hustle, urgency and with blood in their socks!! that's what ah like about them, they does leave every thing on the field!!
show the world concacaf could compete with the best of them. Go concacaf !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Upon what evidence?
You not serious. Which team hit the World Champions three goals to nil?
Now Bradley is a genius and he better than Dunga.
::)
Fact is Spain was not Spain today. Whole day they looked like shit.
well then US was not de US when Costa Rica beat dem either
US looked like shit against costa rica
costa rica is not de euro champs
costa rica didn't have no winning streak going
dis game was not ah US home game
dis game was not played on artificial turf
why is it really so hard for some people to give dem fellahs a lil kudos for dey small achievement jed, yuh would tink de US is Nazi germany...sigh!
Why you so emotional? Yuh navel string bury in the US or wha? Who not giving them their props?
The gap between Spain and the US is too huge for it to be compared to any game in CONCACAF.
ah ha to give yuh props, to read my post and come up wid me being emotional, yuh good...i like de navel string too, so wha ah suppose to say, nah it bury in fyzo or brothers road?....sorry breds is just sometimes i does just jealous de men who know more bout football than me....look all i do is outline a few lil facts and was simply asking why ii so hard for men to give de US a lil kudos...so you could say, "Spain did not play like Spain today" and dais de gospel according to toppa? look boy rock f*&king so eh and leave me alone eh!!!!! (dat is emotional!)
Your acting more of a girl than I am. :-\
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USA are doing well. Check it out, they getting some GOOD experience under their belts, by playing some of the TOP sides in the and against WORLD class players, from Spain, Italy, etc. And we expect Trinidad to beat the USA?? While there are going foward and are always 2 or 3 steps ahead of us, we still dreaming and hoping. Trinidad is NOT going to beat the USA first team........NO WAY; NO HOW!!!!
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USA are doing well. Check it out, they getting some GOOD experience under their belts, by playing some of the TOP sides in the and against WORLD class players, from Spain, Italy, etc. And we expect Trinidad to beat the USA?? While there are going foward and are always 2 or 3 steps ahead of us, we still dreaming and hoping. Trinidad is NOT going to beat the USA first team........NO WAY; NO HOW!!!!
I'm not a delusional fan who thinks TnT are rgeater than they really are but...if the US beat Spain today ( a team that's clearly much much superior), why TnT can't beat the US?
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USA are doing well. Check it out, they getting some GOOD experience under their belts, by playing some of the TOP sides in the and against WORLD class players, from Spain, Italy, etc. And we expect Trinidad to beat the USA?? While there are going foward and are always 2 or 3 steps ahead of us, we still dreaming and hoping. Trinidad is NOT going to beat the USA first team........NO WAY; NO HOW!!!!
Just like the USA cannot beat a FULL strength Spain team?
Or a third tier team could beat a BPL team in the FA Cup?
Any number could play on the day.
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TnT simply NOT ready. We might beat USA's "B" side, as we did last November. But we not ready for USA "A" team. They FAR more prepared and they are more experienced at international level. Just look at the types teams they play against? We playing against Grenada and a Tobago XL, and we expect to beat the USA? Fail to prepare, prepare to fail............
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TnT simply NOT ready. We might beat USA's "B" side, as we did last November. But we not ready for USA "A" team. They FAR more prepared and they are more experienced at international level. Just look at the types teams they play against? We playing against Grenada and a Tobago XL, and we expect to beat the USA? Fail to prepare, prepare to fail............
.......and preparation begins at the youth level.
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Congratulations to America,its a pity your country will not understand what you have just done.
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This is some kind of alternate universe or something or what.
I was in D hospital and at work all day, so i now looking at D replay.
And my cousin just fu*k it up for mah, after ah put tape on the bottom of D screen.
I have one thing to say WTF, WTF,WTF.
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Second half USA played NO FOOTBALL whatsoever. They parked all of City Gate and Morvant Taxi Stand in fron the goal.
When Chelsea did that against Barca, it was genius though.... :P
What ever you say. Check the possession stats from that game.
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I for one ain't shedding a tear for Spain after they beat my team in the Euros.
Good for the USA.
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this wins proves if you play hard all game no matter who the opposition a win is always possible. and hard play and alot of confidence is the american way. always feeling u are the best even if it might not be the case. thats the problem with Trinidad players and supporters you give your opponents to much respect ,i dont care who it is stop riding them like a mechanic bull and have self confidence. and only then you will not be considered bums
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OH SHIT WHAT IS DIS I SEEIIINNN???????? I NOW CHECKIN D SCORE AND USA WIN??????? LAWWDD FA-DA!!
SPAIN? WHAPPEN??? SPAIN!!!!!!???!!!!!!!
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U.S. sends shockwaves across Europe with win against Spain
The United States' memorable bid for the ultimate tournament rally lives on. A night of stubborn, committed defending and opportunistic sniping saw the United States upend mighty Spain 2-0 in an absolute stunner.
Just a few days earlier, Bob Bradley's men had been written off as finished in the Confederations Cup. But a brave, highly improbable three-goal win over Egypt pushed the United States into the tournament semifinals and arranged the stage for Wednesday's shocker. Still, few gave the United States much of a chance against the world's No. 1 side, a fluid Spanish team blessed with elegant midfielders and prolific strikers.
Now a date with either Brazil or South Africa awaits on Sunday (the Brazilian giants and the Confederation Cup hosts meet on Thursday in the second semifinal). But Bradley's side, full of properly channeled fight and purpose in Wednesday's 2-0 win, has surely won some absolution after a spring of performances that ranged from OK to indifferent to fairly pitiful.
(continue) (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=657100&sec=us&root=us&&cc=5739)
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USA! USA! USA!
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Well done USA...
Dont hate, appreciate and emulate.
Get over November 19th...players have come and gone and the USA has a strong squad.
They hardly ever get embarrassed or blown out more than a 2-0 from the top teams in the world.
The next fifa ranking having them beaten Spain, and playing against Brazil, Italy and beating Egypt will shoot them up the rankings...not to mention the last few WCQ.
Why we cannot appreciate that basics, fitness and hard work will reap dividends.
You dont have to like them but respect them.
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Well done USA...
Dont hate, appreciate and emulate.
Get over November 19th...players have come and gone and the USA has a strong squad.
They hardly ever get embarrassed or blown out more than a 2-0 from the top teams in the world.
The next fifa ranking having them beaten Spain, and playing against Brazil, Italy and beating Egypt will shoot them up the rankings...not to mention the last few WCQ.
Why we cannot appreciate that basics, fitness and hard work will reap dividends.
You dont have to like them but respect them.
Steups.....rock so with yuh cool, calm and collectiveness this early hour of the morning.... :devil: ;D
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Well done USA...
Dont hate, appreciate and emulate.
Get over November 19th...players have come and gone and the USA has a strong squad.
They hardly ever get embarrassed or blown out more than a 2-0 from the top teams in the world.
The next fifa ranking having them beaten Spain, and playing against Brazil, Italy and beating Egypt will shoot them up the rankings...not to mention the last few WCQ.
Why we cannot appreciate that basics, fitness and hard work will reap dividends.
You dont have to like them but respect them.
Exactly
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Well done USA...
Dont hate, appreciate and emulate.
Get over November 19th...players have come and gone and the USA has a strong squad.
They hardly ever get embarrassed or blown out more than a 2-0 from the top teams in the world.
The next fifa ranking having them beaten Spain, and playing against Brazil, Italy and beating Egypt will shoot them up the rankings...not to mention the last few WCQ.
Why we cannot appreciate that basics, fitness and hard work will reap dividends.
You dont have to like them but respect them.
nail on the head.. rite here
so much trini does dis the USA Team..
Yet still plenty ah we does live here, work and pay taxes, make and bring up children, buy house, travel all over the 50 States etc...
I for one supporting USA to win the Confed. Cup. That might shut up dem assholes in FIFA who find 3.5 places is too much for concacaf.. :beermug:
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Enter Altidore after being sent on loan in Spain, history places him versus Spain in the Confed and well, hmmm ... one wonders how that will play out ... in Spain.
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Poor job Spain. Goals win games, and Spain didn't put them away. Capavilla dunce; defender should stand his grounds, instead of winey on Atidore ass.
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Well done USA...
Dont hate, appreciate and emulate.
Get over November 19th...players have come and gone and the USA has a strong squad.
They hardly ever get embarrassed or blown out more than a 2-0 from the top teams in the world.
The next fifa ranking having them beaten Spain, and playing against Brazil, Italy and beating Egypt will shoot them up the rankings...not to mention the last few WCQ.
Why we cannot appreciate that basics, fitness and hard work will reap dividends.
You dont have to like them but respect them.
nail on the head.. rite here
so much trini does dis the USA Team..
Yet still plenty ah we does live here, work and pay taxes, make and bring up children, buy house, travel all over the 50 States etc...
I for one supporting USA to win the Confed. Cup. That might shut up dem assholes in FIFA who find 3.5 places is too much for concacaf.. :beermug:
So because people living here and traveling and earning a living that mean people must automatically like their football team? allyuh men good oui! All ah allyuh who want to cash een allyuh lifelong allegiances along with allyuh passports for the sake of some economic opportunity, etc., etc., etc., are free to do so. Nobody doh criticize allyuh fuh supporting the usa, if dize where allyuh heart is. But doh lecture nobody about hating on them if dize where their heart sway dem. Yuh think it doh have foreigners living in T&T that does dislike certain aspects of our culture?
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Second half USA played NO FOOTBALL whatsoever. They parked all of City Gate and Morvant Taxi Stand in fron the goal.
When Chelsea did that against Barca, it was genius though.... :P
What ever you say. Check the possession stats from that game.
I never knew football was won and lost with possession stats.
Games were determined by goals last I checked.
2 - nil is no fluke. That is a deserved win
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Trinidad draw with Sweden playing what I would describe kindly as "backs to the wall" football and people feel we should be dominating Concacaf, and vex that we ent build on that GREAT result.
The US beat Spain 2-0 and is a setta "Spain didn't show up", "not full strength Spain" and "US defend for the whole 2nd half". Nothing wrong with supporting your side, that is the point of a fan site but don't try to couch your bias as some type of objective analysis.
The US beating Spain is a big result, but Spain lose to South Korea not too long back, Northern Ireland even more recently. The US is on the level with a decent 2nd tier European team so the US beating Spain is less of a shock than TnT beating the US. They don't have the type of creative playmakers that always seem to pop up in a Croatia, Bulgaria or Romania but they have the basics and a big player pool.
When we say the players average or lack flair we always have to remember that everyting is relative and them players playing at better clubs than most of our players and most of them would walk into a TnT line-up. And that is considering that, player-wise, the US has had better teams than this in recent times
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Congratulations to America,its a pity your country will not understand what you have just done.
Yuh hit de nail on de head! Dat is why, while I am happy for the USA's success, it galls me that ordinary Americans probably don't even realize that there is a Confederation Cup competition going on, never mind the fact that the USA has beaten one of the top class teams in the world.
I guess from the USA's point of view, it has to keep winning in order to generate more interest in the sport.
It's too bad though; countries like Guatemala and Honduras that have such passionate football fans are not fortunate enough to savour the success of their teams on the international stage.
I just had someone at my job the other day talking about her husband teaching her son some of that "soccer crap". ???
Hopefully comments like these are in the minority in the States.
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Second half USA played NO FOOTBALL whatsoever. They parked all of City Gate and Morvant Taxi Stand in fron the goal.
When Chelsea did that against Barca, it was genius though.... :P
What ever you say. Check the possession stats from that game.
I never knew football was won and lost with possession stats.
Games were determined by goals last I checked.
2 - nil is no fluke. That is a deserved win
Yuh wasting your time Marcos. The "goalposts" for what is good football will always change. The word during the Barca-Chelsea games was that despite Barcelona having much more possession, Chelsea had more chances. Never mind they miss the chances (i.e. not that great football after all).
Here the US create chances too and (shocker) actually score goals but now possession is how you evaluate a team's performance. That is the kind of blinkered logic yuh does get from these analysts.
I wouldn't even concede that the possession stats for Chelsea were so great. I remember the possesion stats for the first Barcelona game was almost 70% in Barcelona's favour. Once yuh get into to them regions boasting about possession stats is an exercise in semantics. Whether one had 30% and the next one 25% both of them get outplayed.
Edited to add:
I just waste 5 minutes of my time looking at Elan's possession stats:
Barcelona - Chelsea 1st Leg (from Soccernet)
Time of Possession 71% 30%
Chelsea - Barcelona 2nd Leg (from Soccernet)
Time of Possession 29% 71%
Spain - USA (from FIFA)
56% Possession (%) 44%
Yuh right Elan the possession stats say that US spend more time defending against Spain than Chelsea against Barcelona.
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how Chelsea reach in this?
barcelona outpossessed chelsea over the 2 legs (like they did to every other side they played all season). As for who played the better game in each leg and over the course of the 2 legs; well that will always be a matter of opinion.
in the grand scheme of things, possession don't really count for anything other than bargaining rights in playstation. its about what you do with the ball when you have it. A team could pass the ball across its back four for minutes on end and lose it as soon as they get anywhere near the opponent's 18 yard box and lose 3-0, as this same barcelona team was doing in the latter stages of Rijkaard's regime.
Anyhow... did not see the game so can't comment on that.
But nevertheless, me eh care who dey beat.... USA is a shit side and it have nutten dat changing my bias where that concerned. :devil:
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USA beating Spain will be remembered as "The shot that was heard around the world"
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On the most talented but mistake prone defenders on the planet...lawd dis man could sell guns when he ready.
He hadda have some kinda concentration/attention deficit disorder... Never see a man who could do the difficult plays and screw up the routine ones in the same breath more than this fella...
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Second half USA played NO FOOTBALL whatsoever. They parked all of City Gate and Morvant Taxi Stand in fron the goal.
When Chelsea did that against Barca, it was genius though.... :P
What ever you say. Check the possession stats from that game.
Ah rite, ah rite, ah geh yuh point ,Spain win de 'possession' cup while USA gone thru tuh de finals ,big up to Spain at least they eh goin home empty handed ::)....Now check de goals 'stats' from de game ,dais wha yuh shud always look at becuz at de end of the day which ever side leading in dah 'stats' is de winner ..doh care how much fancy pass and flick and or just pure domination of the game , yuh cud possess de ball how much yuh want but if yuh fail tuh put it in de back ah de net yuh cyar win ,plain and simple .If yuh smart yuh wud be teaching yuh daughters team USA future national under 21 prospects dat.....unless is de 'possession' cup yuh trying tuh win :devil: :devil:
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JDB, Omar and Berris, I glad allyuh men seeing what I seeing cuz I thought I was going mad.
This exact thought was going through my head
"A team could pass the ball across its back four for minutes on end and lose it as soon as they get anywhere near the opponent's 18 yard box and lose 3-0"
Remember in 98 when Jamaica used to pass the ball around the back for an eternity? They still hold 5 of d best for Batistuta and Co. Possession always has been an overrated stat.
And I couldn't see the clip, but if it is who I think it is...Sergio Ramos, I think he is a terrific player going forward but a poor defender. Your primary role as a defender is to maintain concentration and defend, he doesn't do that. But his skill and potential at the position is almost unparalleled.
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On the most talented but mistake prone defenders on the planet...lawd dis man could sell guns when he ready.
He hadda have some kinda concentration/attention deficit disorder... Never see a man who could do the difficult plays and screw up the routine ones in the same breath more than this fella...
i always find his problem is that he too talented for his own good, or he thinks hes alot better than he really is and that interferes with his judgement..
that is why sometimes its better when your defenders lacking a lil bit in skill yes.. men like that in the back who have touches does get bored.
That is why yuh cyah beat England for their defenders. Ball to swing yuh foot and clear and he want to trap in the 6 yard and look for a pass and end up looking like a tun tun. Ramos always trying to get cute when he should just make the simple play.
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Well done USA...
Dont hate, appreciate and emulate.
Get over November 19th...players have come and gone and the USA has a strong squad.
They hardly ever get embarrassed or blown out more than a 2-0 from the top teams in the world.
The next fifa ranking having them beaten Spain, and playing against Brazil, Italy and beating Egypt will shoot them up the rankings...not to mention the last few WCQ.
Why we cannot appreciate that basics, fitness and hard work will reap dividends.
You dont have to like them but respect them.
nail on the head.. rite here
so much trini does dis the USA Team..
Yet still plenty ah we does live here, work and pay taxes, make and bring up children, buy house, travel all over the 50 States etc...
I for one supporting USA to win the Confed. Cup. That might shut up dem assholes in FIFA who find 3.5 places is too much for concacaf.. :beermug:
Can I just mention to you Sir that after watching this game with a bunch of Americans (more interested in a baseball game replay than this match) that they don't give a rats uncle about the development of football in America or any CONCACAF side other than themselves! This win symbolised NOTHING to them. Did you watch the news? Did you see Jordan's son's decision to stop playing basketball or Shaq's going Cavaliers make more headline than this? Football is an "S" word here reserved for little rich or middle class 10 year old girls. De plenty of we workin', payin taxes, makin and raisin chirren here do so fully aware that had circumstances and economic situations been better at home that's where we'd be. So please excuse us if we don't buy that green cards/citizenship means pledging allegiance to MNT. I have more support for Altidore's because of his Caribbean roots than of the team in general.
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As the CR9's of the world keep commanding transfer fees of 100m plus they will start paying attention.
Football wasn't paid much attention in the past as it wasn't as highly paid, but that seems to be changing.
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Well done USA...
Dont hate, appreciate and emulate.
Get over November 19th...players have come and gone and the USA has a strong squad.
They hardly ever get embarrassed or blown out more than a 2-0 from the top teams in the world.
The next fifa ranking having them beaten Spain, and playing against Brazil, Italy and beating Egypt will shoot them up the rankings...not to mention the last few WCQ.
Why we cannot appreciate that basics, fitness and hard work will reap dividends.
You dont have to like them but respect them.
nail on the head.. rite here
so much trini does dis the USA Team..
Yet still plenty ah we does live here, work and pay taxes, make and bring up children, buy house, travel all over the 50 States etc...
I for one supporting USA to win the Confed. Cup. That might shut up dem assholes in FIFA who find 3.5 places is too much for concacaf.. :beermug:
Can I just mention to you Sir that after watching this game with a bunch of Americans (more interested in a baseball game replay than this match) that they don't give a rats uncle about the development of football in America or any CONCACAF side other than themselves! This win symbolised NOTHING to them. Did you watch the news? Did you see Jordan's son's decision to stop playing basketball or Shaq's going Cavaliers make more headline than this? Football is an "S" word here reserved for little rich or middle class 10 year old girls. De plenty of we workin', payin taxes, makin and raisin chirren here do so fully aware that had circumstances and economic situations been better at home that's where we'd be. So please excuse us if we don't buy that green cards/citizenship means pledging allegiance to MNT. I have more support for Altidore's because of his Caribbean roots than of the team in general.
How many Trinbagonians give a rat's ass about football in T&T? Ah doh jus mean when things going nice and de bandwagon warm up. How much coverage football does get in de news in T&T? How much of it is accurate? How much of it demonstrates any concern or interest beyond a superficial level of coverage? What's de next round of PFL matches? Anybody showing it?
De vast majority of Trinidadians generally doh give one real ass bout football neither. Ah man in another post went a Tobago Utd game and talk bout de crowds improving cause 50 people show up. But somehow we want to claim some kinda superiority over de US when it come to fandom? And passion? In we passionate cemetery-quiet stadiums? Steups.
Ah guarantee US football fans ain't going to games, asking "Which one is Freddy Adu?"
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Well done USA...
Dont hate, appreciate and emulate.
Get over November 19th...players have come and gone and the USA has a strong squad.
They hardly ever get embarrassed or blown out more than a 2-0 from the top teams in the world.
The next fifa ranking having them beaten Spain, and playing against Brazil, Italy and beating Egypt will shoot them up the rankings...not to mention the last few WCQ.
Why we cannot appreciate that basics, fitness and hard work will reap dividends.
You dont have to like them but respect them.
nail on the head.. rite here
so much trini does dis the USA Team..
Yet still plenty ah we does live here, work and pay taxes, make and bring up children, buy house, travel all over the 50 States etc...
I for one supporting USA to win the Confed. Cup. That might shut up dem assholes in FIFA who find 3.5 places is too much for concacaf.. :beermug:
Can I just mention to you Sir that after watching this game with a bunch of Americans (more interested in a baseball game replay than this match) that they don't give a rats uncle about the development of football in America or any CONCACAF side other than themselves! This win symbolised NOTHING to them. Did you watch the news? Did you see Jordan's son's decision to stop playing basketball or Shaq's going Cavaliers make more headline than this? Football is an "S" word here reserved for little rich or middle class 10 year old girls. De plenty of we workin', payin taxes, makin and raisin chirren here do so fully aware that had circumstances and economic situations been better at home that's where we'd be. So please excuse us if we don't buy that green cards/citizenship means pledging allegiance to MNT. I have more support for Altidore's because of his Caribbean roots than of the team in general.
How many Trinbagonians give a rat's ass about football in T&T? Ah doh jus mean when things going nice and de bandwagon warm up. How much coverage football does get in de news in T&T? How much of it is accurate? How much of it demonstrates any concern or interest beyond a superficial level of coverage? What's de next round of PFL matches? Anybody showing it?
De vast majority of Trinidadians generally doh give one real ass bout football neither. Ah man in another post went a Tobago Utd game and talk bout de crowds improving cause 50 people show up. But somehow we want to claim some kinda superiority over de US when it come to fandom? And passion? In we passionate cemetery-quiet stadiums? Steups.
Ah guarantee US football fans ain't going to games, asking "Which one is Freddy Adu?"
Yuh talk good talk dey. Iz a setta ah waggonist and johnny come lately fans in T&T.
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Well done USA...
Dont hate, appreciate and emulate.
Get over November 19th...players have come and gone and the USA has a strong squad.
They hardly ever get embarrassed or blown out more than a 2-0 from the top teams in the world.
The next fifa ranking having them beaten Spain, and playing against Brazil, Italy and beating Egypt will shoot them up the rankings...not to mention the last few WCQ.
Why we cannot appreciate that basics, fitness and hard work will reap dividends.
You dont have to like them but respect them.
nail on the head.. rite here
so much trini does dis the USA Team..
Yet still plenty ah we does live here, work and pay taxes, make and bring up children, buy house, travel all over the 50 States etc...
I for one supporting USA to win the Confed. Cup. That might shut up dem assholes in FIFA who find 3.5 places is too much for concacaf.. :beermug:
Can I just mention to you Sir that after watching this game with a bunch of Americans (more interested in a baseball game replay than this match) that they don't give a rats uncle about the development of football in America or any CONCACAF side other than themselves! This win symbolised NOTHING to them. Did you watch the news? Did you see Jordan's son's decision to stop playing basketball or Shaq's going Cavaliers make more headline than this? Football is an "S" word here reserved for little rich or middle class 10 year old girls. De plenty of we workin', payin taxes, makin and raisin chirren here do so fully aware that had circumstances and economic situations been better at home that's where we'd be. So please excuse us if we don't buy that green cards/citizenship means pledging allegiance to MNT. I have more support for Altidore's because of his Caribbean roots than of the team in general.
Can I just mention to you Sir...speak for yourself and not de rest ah we, i happen to have american friends who does eat, sleep and, breathe football...which part you living dat is only little rich or middle class into dis sport? (doh worry ah know yuh just generalizing), seriously though breds, you live in your little pocket with your little friends and do yuh thing...and yes i was vex when # 2 or 3 on espn top plays was the foot-save by Howard, # 1 was some baseball play, but dais just de way it is.
doh get me wrong you could support/or not support whomever you want, but don't come on here and and be talking bout taxes and economic situation and green card, and how yuh really doh want to be here and all dat...oh no no i take dat back, keep talking bout all dat so we could know what yuh really all about.
by de way, ah come to work in meh current Brazil jersey today
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Well done USA...
Dont hate, appreciate and emulate.
Get over November 19th...players have come and gone and the USA has a strong squad.
They hardly ever get embarrassed or blown out more than a 2-0 from the top teams in the world.
The next fifa ranking having them beaten Spain, and playing against Brazil, Italy and beating Egypt will shoot them up the rankings...not to mention the last few WCQ.
Why we cannot appreciate that basics, fitness and hard work will reap dividends.
You dont have to like them but respect them.
nail on the head.. rite here
so much trini does dis the USA Team..
Yet still plenty ah we does live here, work and pay taxes, make and bring up children, buy house, travel all over the 50 States etc...
I for one supporting USA to win the Confed. Cup. That might shut up dem assholes in FIFA who find 3.5 places is too much for concacaf.. :beermug:
Can I just mention to you Sir that after watching this game with a bunch of Americans (more interested in a baseball game replay than this match) that they don't give a rats uncle about the development of football in America or any CONCACAF side other than themselves! This win symbolised NOTHING to them. Did you watch the news? Did you see Jordan's son's decision to stop playing basketball or Shaq's going Cavaliers make more headline than this? Football is an "S" word here reserved for little rich or middle class 10 year old girls. De plenty of we workin', payin taxes, makin and raisin chirren here do so fully aware that had circumstances and economic situations been better at home that's where we'd be. So please excuse us if we don't buy that green cards/citizenship means pledging allegiance to MNT. I have more support for Altidore's because of his Caribbean roots than of the team in general.
Can I just mention to you Sir...speak for yourself and not de rest ah we, i happen to have american friends who does eat, sleep and, breathe football...which part you living dat is only little rich or middle class into dis sport? (doh worry ah know yuh just generalizing), seriously though breds, you live in your little pocket with your little friends and do yuh thing...and yes i was vex when # 2 or 3 on espn top plays was the foot-save by Howard, # 1 was some baseball play, but dais just de way it is.
doh get me wrong you could support/or not support whomever you want, but don't come on here and and be talking bout taxes and economic situation and green card, and how yuh really doh want to be here and all dat...oh no no i take dat back, keep talking bout all dat so we could know what yuh really all about.
by de way, ah come to work in meh current Brazil jersey today
I'm a female in FL and I started off by speaking on behalf of myself, my experience yesterday and others that do not share the kumbaya love of the US soccer team! I'm sorry but the bandwaggonist issue was not the theme of this thread. Also not everyone shares the love or experiences that you, yuh boy pecan and others have with your adopted homeland and we are entitled to our opinions not so? The same way you wearing the possible competition jersey to work may be seen as a slap in the face to your co-workers it's freedom of opinion. Take yuh time bredda I just telling it from the other side.
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Can I just mention to you Sir that after watching this game with a bunch of Americans (more interested in a baseball game replay than this match) that they don't give a rats uncle about the development of football in America or any CONCACAF side other than themselves! This win symbolised NOTHING to them. Did you watch the news? Did you see Jordan's son's decision to stop playing basketball or Shaq's going Cavaliers make more headline than this? Football is an "S" word here reserved for little rich or middle class 10 year old girls. De plenty of we workin', payin taxes, makin and raisin chirren here do so fully aware that had circumstances and economic situations been better at home that's where we'd be. So please excuse us if we don't buy that green cards/citizenship means pledging allegiance to MNT. I have more support for Altidore's because of his Caribbean roots than of the team in general.
the fact that "soccer" is not the biggest spectator sports in the USA doesnt mean that there is not interest there. There are enough people here with european, and latin amertican background to keep the ineterst going.
And women's football is BIG business in the USA...once you get women (mothers, aunts, sisters etc) invloved, look for more kids to take up the game down the road.
Yes, the USA will win the world cup one day, even with "little" interest in the sports.
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There is alot more football support in the U.S. than many give it credit for...
MLS crowd sizes are good by most world standards (15-30 thousand per game).
A-Legue crowd sizes are decent as well (a bit less than 10 thousand per game).
That's alot of people watching football on a weekly basis, and it doesn't include TV viewership...
There is also a ton of non professional football being played around the U.S. at different age groups...
Also you have to consider that football competes with other sports that have a longer history and greater financial backing and marketing...
The U.S. is massive & diverse.... it's not T&T which has a "small town" vibe in the sense that everything concerning Trinidad on the world stage brings the country to a halt.... The U.S. is also more used to success in sports on the world stage so it will take alot more to garner excitement here (there are no nat'l street parades in the U.S. for an olympic sliver medallist for example).
Football isn't and may never be a way of life like it is in many countries in South America, Africa & Europe where the sport is ways & means for hope and joy amongst other social and economic challenges... but taking all things into consideration, it does well here as far as support and participation is concerned....and it's only getting better.
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Second half USA played NO FOOTBALL whatsoever. They parked all of City Gate and Morvant Taxi Stand in fron the goal.
When Chelsea did that against Barca, it was genius though.... :P
What ever you say. Check the possession stats from that game.
I never knew football was won and lost with possession stats.
Games were determined by goals last I checked.
2 - nil is no fluke. That is a deserved win
Yuh wasting your time Marcos. The "goalposts" for what is good football will always change. The word during the Barca-Chelsea games was that despite Barcelona having much more possession, Chelsea had more chances. Never mind they miss the chances (i.e. not that great football after all).
Here the US create chances too and (shocker) actually score goals but now possession is how you evaluate a team's performance. That is the kind of blinkered logic yuh does get from these analysts.
Agree and disagree. I don't think the standard for what is 'good' football changes that much. To be honest, i think the actual goal of teams like the US is to develop players so they can play something like Spain. Until then, they have to effectively use tactics that employ their strengths. I agree that the US deserved to win and they played well..but to me it is understood that "well" really means they played effectively. Spain would probably beat the US 7 out of 10 times playing the same way. Putting 10 men behind the ball and hitting on the counter can work in a one-off, but the US can't beat Spain consistently like that and I doubt Bob Bradley will say that the US football education is done and they are going to perfect that art of 10 men behind the ball (altho in truth, the US played some nice attacking football in the opining 25 minutes eh). But I think that's why fans and coach's still point to possession..Poor possession is useless, but the right possession means your players run less and and the opposition runs more and lose shape more often. It creates chances and keeps your players relatively fresh which is important over a season or long tournament. Competition stats showed that Michael Bradley, Landon Donavan and Clint Dempsey have run the most miles this tournament. It's the kind of stat that coaches don't actually want. Good possession football helps with that. So the US was effective and an inferior team can beat a superior team if they use the right tactics. But over a sustained period, I would bet most teams aspire to playing more than a backs against the wall counterattacking game.
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Big up to the USA for that win how shocking but that just prove the Concacaf deserve the 3.5 places to the World Cup don't think this federation is as weak as a lot of critics thinks...
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Agree and disagree. I don't think the standard for what is 'good' football changes that much.
Filho yuh missing the context of my post. I don't think that it changes either.
Kicker was making the point that elan was criticizing the US for negative ball when he was praising Chelsea for their tactical mastery.
Elan then went on to use possession stats as a differenetial between Chelsea nand US in their respective games and I was making the point that elan was critical of possession as a measure of "the better team" back then but he is using it as a measuring stick now.
Hence the "moving goalposts" comment.
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good post filho.
I think you hit the nail on the head with "useless possession", which is what I was alluding to.
The main problem with playing a defensive-minded, counter-attacking style is the inherent risk of allowing your opponents to attack you repeatedly.
But if you have figured a way to neutralize your opponent's attack effectively, then allowing them to maintain "useless possession" doesn't really present that much of a risk, and you can afford to sit back knowing you are going to win the ball and swiftly create an opportunity on the other end.
So possession itself isn't really a measure of good play.
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Agree and disagree. I don't think the standard for what is 'good' football changes that much.
Filho yuh missing the context of my post. I don't think that it changes either.
Kicker was making the point that elan was criticizing the US for negative ball when he was praising Chelsea for their tactical mastery.
Elan then went on to use possession stats as a differenetial between Chelsea nand US in their respective games and I was making the point that elan was critical of possession as a measure of "the better team" back then but he is using it as a measuring stick now.
Hence the "moving goalposts" comment.
ok..cool.
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BTW what are the odds Brazil throw the game today just so they can fulfil the dream match up and cut Spain @$$?
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Agree and disagree. I don't think the standard for what is 'good' football changes that much. To be honest, i think the actual goal of teams like the US is to develop players so they can play something like Spain. Until then, they have to effectively use tactics that employ their strengths. I agree that the US deserved to win and they played well..but to me it is understood that "well" really means they played effectively. Spain would probably beat the US 7 out of 10 times playing the same way. Putting 10 men behind the ball and hitting on the counter can work in a one-off, but the US can't beat Spain consistently like that and I doubt Bob Bradley will say that the US football education is done and they are going to perfect that art of 10 men behind the ball (altho in truth, the US played some nice attacking football in the opining 25 minutes eh). But I think that's why fans and coach's still point to possession..Poor possession is useless, but the right possession means your players run less and and the opposition runs more and lose shape more often. It creates chances and keeps your players relatively fresh whihc is important over a season or long tournament. Competition stats showed that Michael Bradley, Landon Donavan and Clint Dempsey have run the most miles this tournament. It's the kind of stat that a coaches don't actually want. Good possession football helps with that. So the US was effective and an inferior team can beat a superior team if they use the right tactics. But over a sustained period, I would bet most teams aspire to playing more than a backs against the wall counterattacking game.
I agree with what you're saying but I think JDB was being facetious in saying that the standard measurement for good football changes...(i.e. for those who inconsistently praise possession/parking the bus for the sake of their own bias - a la Elan).
If we lose with no brand, we'll complain that we couldn't string three passes together...if we defend for dear life with no knock and squeeze out a result, we showed good heart....if we knock all over a side and lose, we'll say we were better than that sh*t side with no brand, but in the same breath we'll complain that we like too much pretty football and we's play too much small goal....If we knock all over a side and win, no complaints.
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Well done USA...
Dont hate, appreciate and emulate.
Get over November 19th...players have come and gone and the USA has a strong squad.
They hardly ever get embarrassed or blown out more than a 2-0 from the top teams in the world.
The next fifa ranking having them beaten Spain, and playing against Brazil, Italy and beating Egypt will shoot them up the rankings...not to mention the last few WCQ.
Why we cannot appreciate that basics, fitness and hard work will reap dividends.
You dont have to like them but respect them.
nail on the head.. rite here
so much trini does dis the USA Team..
Yet still plenty ah we does live here, work and pay taxes, make and bring up children, buy house, travel all over the 50 States etc...
I for one supporting USA to win the Confed. Cup. That might shut up dem assholes in FIFA who find 3.5 places is too much for concacaf.. :beermug:
Can I just mention to you Sir that after watching this game with a bunch of Americans (more interested in a baseball game replay than this match) that they don't give a rats uncle about the development of football in America or any CONCACAF side other than themselves! This win symbolised NOTHING to them. Did you watch the news? Did you see Jordan's son's decision to stop playing basketball or Shaq's going Cavaliers make more headline than this? Football is an "S" word here reserved for little rich or middle class 10 year old girls. De plenty of we workin', payin taxes, makin and raisin chirren here do so fully aware that had circumstances and economic situations been better at home that's where we'd be. So please excuse us if we don't buy that green cards/citizenship means pledging allegiance to MNT. I have more support for Altidore's because of his Caribbean roots than of the team in general.
Can I just mention to you Sir...speak for yourself and not de rest ah we, i happen to have american friends who does eat, sleep and, breathe football...which part you living dat is only little rich or middle class into dis sport? (doh worry ah know yuh just generalizing), seriously though breds, you live in your little pocket with your little friends and do yuh thing...and yes i was vex when # 2 or 3 on espn top plays was the foot-save by Howard, # 1 was some baseball play, but dais just de way it is.
doh get me wrong you could support/or not support whomever you want, but don't come on here and and be talking bout taxes and economic situation and green card, and how yuh really doh want to be here and all dat...oh no no i take dat back, keep talking bout all dat so we could know what yuh really all about.
by de way, ah come to work in meh current Brazil jersey today
I'm a female in FL and I started off by speaking on behalf of myself, my experience yesterday and others that do not share the kumbaya love of the US soccer team! I'm sorry but the bandwaggonist issue was not the theme of this thread. Also not everyone shares the love or experiences that you, yuh boy pecan and others have with your adopted homeland and we are entitled to our opinions not so? The same way you wearing the possible competition jersey to work may be seen as a slap in the face to your co-workers it's freedom of opinion. Take yuh time bredda I just telling it from the other side.
My humblest apologies (Madam) for not realizing you are of de fairer sex....i'm a huge advocate of everyone having their own opinion and people could like whatever player and team dey want, but like ah say before, is always ah fight down wid de US team, i find (my opinion again) without justification, dis is ah touchy subject though and it will always have people who see it one way and others who it differently.
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BTW what are the odds Brazil throw the game today just so they can fulfil the dream match up and cut Spain @$$?
lol slim to none...
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Well done USA...
Dont hate, appreciate and emulate.
Get over November 19th...players have come and gone and the USA has a strong squad.
They hardly ever get embarrassed or blown out more than a 2-0 from the top teams in the world.
The next fifa ranking having them beaten Spain, and playing against Brazil, Italy and beating Egypt will shoot them up the rankings...not to mention the last few WCQ.
Why we cannot appreciate that basics, fitness and hard work will reap dividends.
You dont have to like them but respect them.
nail on the head.. rite here
so much trini does dis the USA Team..
Yet still plenty ah we does live here, work and pay taxes, make and bring up children, buy house, travel all over the 50 States etc...
I for one supporting USA to win the Confed. Cup. That might shut up dem assholes in FIFA who find 3.5 places is too much for concacaf.. :beermug:
Can I just mention to you Sir that after watching this game with a bunch of Americans (more interested in a baseball game replay than this match) that they don't give a rats uncle about the development of football in America or any CONCACAF side other than themselves! This win symbolised NOTHING to them. Did you watch the news? Did you see Jordan's son's decision to stop playing basketball or Shaq's going Cavaliers make more headline than this? Football is an "S" word here reserved for little rich or middle class 10 year old girls. De plenty of we workin', payin taxes, makin and raisin chirren here do so fully aware that had circumstances and economic situations been better at home that's where we'd be. So please excuse us if we don't buy that green cards/citizenship means pledging allegiance to MNT. I have more support for Altidore's because of his Caribbean roots than of the team in general.
Allyuh always demeaning the US team and we ketchin' we nenen to beat them. It is obviously not the most popular sport in the country. Baseball, football and basketball have long had a strong hold on the sports fan; but with 300 million people, many of which are immigrants of soccer crazy countries, we will be left in the dust until we change our attitudes to planning and playing this beautiful game.
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Dey booing de white man?
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South Africa looking good.
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Dey booing de white man?
No his name is Boothe...
When he gets the ball they scream "Boothe!!!!!"
Both teams looking nice and crisp- Brazil marginally better.
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Dey booing de white man?
No his name is Boothe...
When he gets the ball they scream "Boothe!!!!!"
Both teams looking nice and crisp- Brazil marginally better.
lol..
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Agree and disagree. I don't think the standard for what is 'good' football changes that much. To be honest, i think the actual goal of teams like the US is to develop players so they can play something like Spain. Until then, they have to effectively use tactics that employ their strengths. I agree that the US deserved to win and they played well..but to me it is understood that "well" really means they played effectively. Spain would probably beat the US 7 out of 10 times playing the same way. Putting 10 men behind the ball and hitting on the counter can work in a one-off, but the US can't beat Spain consistently like that and I doubt Bob Bradley will say that the US football education is done and they are going to perfect that art of 10 men behind the ball (altho in truth, the US played some nice attacking football in the opining 25 minutes eh). But I think that's why fans and coach's still point to possession..Poor possession is useless, but the right possession means your players run less and and the opposition runs more and lose shape more often. It creates chances and keeps your players relatively fresh whihc is important over a season or long tournament. Competition stats showed that Michael Bradley, Landon Donavan and Clint Dempsey have run the most miles this tournament. It's the kind of stat that a coaches don't actually want. Good possession football helps with that. So the US was effective and an inferior team can beat a superior team if they use the right tactics. But over a sustained period, I would bet most teams aspire to playing more than a backs against the wall counterattacking game.
I agree with what you're saying but I think JDB was being facetious in saying that the standard measurement for good football changes...(i.e. for those who inconsistently praise possession/parking the bus for the sake of their own bias - a la Elan).
If we lose with no brand, we'll complain that we couldn't string three passes together...if we defend for dear life with no knock and squeeze out a result, we showed good heart....if we knock all over a side and lose, we'll say we were better than that sh*t side with no brand, but in the same breath we'll complain that we like too much pretty football and we's play too much small goal....If we knock all over a side and win, no complaints.
seems like yuh mixing perspectives here: fan's vs. coach's. what coach get hired to build a brand? a brand is more of a fan percept. ah doubt a coach looking at brand.
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seems like yuh mixing perspectives here: fan's vs. coach's. what coach get hired to build a brand? a brand is more of a fan percept. ah doubt a coach looking at brand.
Not mixing anything...speaking strictly from the fan perspective.
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seems like yuh mixing perspectives here: fan's vs. coach's. what coach get hired to build a brand? a brand is more of a fan percept. ah doubt a coach looking at brand.
Not mixing anything...speaking strictly from the fan perspective.
a fan with plenty coaching "opinons" ;D
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south africa nearly bore yes..
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seems like yuh mixing perspectives here: fan's vs. coach's. what coach get hired to build a brand? a brand is more of a fan percept. ah doubt a coach looking at brand.
Not mixing anything...speaking strictly from the fan perspective.
a fan with plenty coaching "opinons" ;D
lol ent :D
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south africa nearly bore yes..
South Africa playing some good ball as Toppa say. The Brazilian coach have dem looking good.
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Allyuh know who fault it is if Brazil lorse today right?
Goat-mouth Kicker.
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South Africa with the better looks on goal so far...
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Allyuh know who fault it is if Brazil lorse today right?
Goat-mouth Kicker.
ah watching... and ah waiting.... :waiting:
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Allyuh know who fault it is if Brazil lorse today right?
Goat-mouth Kicker.
ah watching... and ah waiting.... :waiting:
lol
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what coach get hired to build a brand?
1. Arsene Wenger
2. Any Real Madrid coach.
Though Real Madrid really illustrates the concept of a coach getting fired b/c the team doesn't have a brand.
In the end you have 2 camps.
Results vs Entertainment.
Ideally we want both. in other words, we all want to be Brazil and Barca.
As a supporter of a team you will accept Results over entertainment - to a point.
As a coach of a team you getting paid to win (unless you coaching, Real Madrid, or Brazil)
I does never hear anybody talking about that great Euro 2004 Greek team.
NOBODY except Greeks and Portugal haters EVER want to see that final again.
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Allyuh know who fault it is if Brazil lorse today right?
Goat-mouth Kicker.
ah watching... and ah waiting.... :waiting:
lol
lol wha bout I want Brazil tuh win, one part because daz meh squad, and one part because I eh bong fuh de goat mouth pong ;D
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Yuh know...ah wouldn't mind so much if South Africa wins today.
Signal a new world order.
All the big teams sent home.
Two unlikely teams in the final.
Kinna bodes well for the WC...if you're not European or South American.
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9 times outta 10 Kaka put away da curlers...
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what coach get hired to build a brand?
1. Arsene Wenger
2. Any Real Madrid coach.
Though Real Madrid really illustrates the concept of a coach getting fired b/c the team doesn't have a brand.
In the end you have 2 camps.
Results vs Entertainment.
Ideally we want both. in other words, we all want to be Brazil and Barca.
As a supporter of a team you will accept Results over entertainment - to a point.
As a coach of a team you getting paid to win (unless you coaching, Real Madrid, or Brazil)
I does never hear anybody talking about that great Euro 2004 Greek team.
NOBODY except Greeks and Portugal haters EVER want to see that final again.
ah meant in the thread's context - i.e. national teams
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wait nuh.. tell me i didnt just see what i thought i saw..
someone holding a sign up saying, "Bafana, hold on to Kaka like -" and was that pampers stick on to the sign ??? :rotfl:
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Spectators wearin sweater, jackets, toques, and gloves.
This will be the first World Cup in history (I believe) where the teams will be playing in such temperatures.
How will it affect the balance of play?
Do the European teams have a bigger advantage?
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haven't seen much of south africa's confed cup games, but one thing i like about the goalkeeper from what i've seen is that he holding the ball. :beermug:
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Spectators wearin sweater, jackets, toques, and gloves.
This will be the first World Cup in history (I believe) where the teams will be playing in such temperatures.
How will it affect the balance of play?
Do the European teams have a bigger advantage?
Argentina 78 ??
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I believe that this is considered South Africa's winter and that it can get fairly chilly there, although no where as frigid as winters in the northeastern U.S states or Canada.
Having said that, I think South Africa had a freak snow storm one year.
I can't remember which year it was.
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Walk wit yuh snuggy next yr when u go 2 support Latas bois.
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Spectators wearin sweater, jackets, toques, and gloves.
This will be the first World Cup in history (I believe) where the teams will be playing in such temperatures.
How will it affect the balance of play?
Do the European teams have a bigger advantage?
Argentina 78 ??
Good point.
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Spectators wearin sweater, jackets, toques, and gloves.
This will be the first World Cup in history (I believe) where the teams will be playing in such temperatures.
How will it affect the balance of play?
Do the European teams have a bigger advantage?
Argentina 78 ??
Chile '62?
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"The US advances to the Championship game"
::)
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Spectators wearin sweater, jackets, toques, and gloves.
This will be the first World Cup in history (I believe) where the teams will be playing in such temperatures.
How will it affect the balance of play?
Do the European teams have a bigger advantage?
July is typically peak winter in South Africa, in cape town for instance, average lows in July is mid 40's average highs is around 62 degrees. 62 degrees in sunlight is very pleasant, so there shouldnt be a problem there. 45 degrees at night can feel much colder.
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Spectators wearin sweater, jackets, toques, and gloves.
This will be the first World Cup in history (I believe) where the teams will be playing in such temperatures.
How will it affect the balance of play?
Do the European teams have a bigger advantage?
July is typically peak winter in South Africa, in cape town for instance, average lows in July is mid 40's (7 degrees) average highs is around 62 degrees (17 degrees). 62 degrees in sunlight is very pleasant, so there shouldnt be a problem there. 45 degrees at night can feel much colder.
I was studying that same thing the minute I hear the WC was in SA....that still doh give Europe advantage..
p.s ..need to covert the temperatures for the ppl on the forum living Trinidad, Canada, Europe, Carribbean etc...
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South Africa has been the better team this half...
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Brazil must be get they hotel room rob like Egypt and Spain :devil:
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South Africa is outworking Brazil- simple...working harder off the ball in attack, and harder on defense when they lose it...
Brazil looks flat, and their wing backs are not getting into the attack...they're void of ideas and Andre Santos is either tired or carrying an injury.
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South Africa is outworking Brazil- simple...working harder off the ball in attack, and harder on defense when they lose it...
Brazil looks flat, and their wing backs are not getting into the attack...they're void of ideas and Andre Santos is either tired or carrying an injury.
Is Dunga with he own version of the Corbeaux Brand.
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Brazi is mediocre when they aren't playing on the break. The center circle is empty when they are on the ball because they have no skilful midfield organizer on the pitch. Brazil has no ideas on the ball and just walk to back and forth until they can get it to Robinho or Kaka, and pray for them to do something with their individual ability. Every once in a while Brazil puts down a stinker like this....
On the contrary, South Afrtica has plenty of purpose and ideas on the ball. Dey just need Benny up top
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oh shit man
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F*ck!
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Talk done!
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Talk done!
Ent!
I mean Cosign! ::)
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1-0 Alves...
Jumbie is a hell of a thing...That free kick had goal written all over it, long before Alves even stepped up to it...And the commentators real blight de scene too lol...
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Daiz how dey does do it. Undeserved in many ways..but Brazil will punish yuh like dat.
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Barcaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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Very, very foolish tackle at the edge of the area by that South African defender.
If you're going to do that against anybody, much less Brazil, you're going to get burned.
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Talk done!
Ent!
I mean Cosign! ::)
Doh let Weary hear yuh use she ting eh!
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Talk done!
Ent!
I mean Cosign! ::)
Doh let Weary hear yuh use she ting eh!
Nah, that is public domain now - common useage
Ah Love It! ;)
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somtin dead in d stadium?..why so much kobo?
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Talk done!
Ent!
I mean Cosign! ::)
Doh let Weary hear yuh use she ting eh!
Nah, that is public domain now - common useage
Ah Love It! ;)
Doh let Andre Samuel hear yuh use he ting eh! ;D
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whey sa!...baptista get ah platinum..na na...uranium kobo sweat
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Weary is a girl????
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Talk done!
Ent?
Not even burntsugar and she goat mout self coulda stop de Samba Boys! ;D
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Talk done!
Ent?
Not even burntsugar and she goat mout self coulda stop de Samba Boys! ;D
Watch meh...yuh kno how much i had to resist coming during de game to blast she up? Steups.
Hard Luck South Africa. Dey played well. From de time i see dat free kick given i knew dah woulda be it.
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Weary is a girl????
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Talk done!
Ent?
Not even burntsugar and she goat mout self coulda stop de Samba Boys! ;D
Watch she go put it on dem come Sunday. I wouldn't be surprised if "all of a sudden" Brazil, like Egypt and Spain can't play good football against the usa.
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Uninspiring win for Brazil.
South Africa looked hungrier, and they seemed to have a good game plan...they were purposeful in attack, and also managed to get everyone behind the ball on defense.... but they lacked that extra bit of quality needed to create that clear telling opportunity.
The second half was a let down overall that you knew would come down to one chance...
Looking forward to the final.
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Hard luck South Africa. From what I saw from the 2nd half, SA get let down by their attackers. Midfiled and defence worked hard only for man to put bullet everywhere but the goal. The only on-target shot I saw was a deflection that pull a great stop from the keeper. They also looked bad on set pieces. Yuh can't go toe-to-toe with Brazil and not put away the chances. No wonder they come into this with only 2 goals.
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Talk done!
Ent?
Not even burntsugar and she goat mout self coulda stop de Samba Boys! ;D
Watch meh...yuh kno how much i had to resist coming during de game to blast she up? Steups.
Hard Luck South Africa. Dey played well. From de time i see dat free kick given i knew dah woulda be it.
But what I do?? ??? I back South Africa...dais not what yuh wanted mih to do??... ??? :-\ :(
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I was calling for Alves and Pato from the half. Dunga looked way too passive.
Can't believe Ronaldinho can't make this side...they have no imagination.
Robinho is a disappointment as usual.
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I was calling for Alves and Pato from the half. Dunga looked way too passive.
Can't believe Ronaldinho can't make this side...they have no imagination.
Robinho is a disappointment as usual.
I tawt I was de only one tinkin' dat. He has been given alot of credit for his play in this tournament but I eh really likin' what I seein'. iI find he dribblin a lil too much.
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Oh shut up, about Robinho. He played well in all the other matches.
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I was calling for Alves and Pato from the half. Dunga looked way too passive.
Can't believe Ronaldinho can't make this side...they have no imagination.
Robinho is a disappointment as usual.
The Brazilian attack depends almost entirely on Kaka and Robinho winning individual battles. It is not an attack based on much collective play/ball movement. If Kaka and Robinho have trouble springing free, Brazil has next to nada. Dat, apparently is Dunga's plan and he sticking with it. It often works, but every so often yuh see a game like this from Brazil. Gilberto Silva needs to go. Anderson need to be playing dat role and it's in these kinda tournaments he supposed to be getting groomed. He adds a lot more ability on the ball and is strong defensively.
And yes...Brazil needs Dinho. And altho he has been medicre for the senior team, I think yuh need Diego for games like this, to come one as a sub and provide some spark from an attacking central position. And start grooming Hernanes from SP.....dat is a bad bad #10
hear nah....I calling for de Fat Man too. He play some boss ball in his last two games. And he might atually be getting fatter.
Brazil doh usually play toots twice in a row, so I kinda expect dem to come good in the final. But before SA 2010, something hadda change
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Uninspiring win for Brazil.
South Africa looked hungrier, and they seemed to have a good game plan...they were purposeful in attack, and also managed to get everyone behind the ball on defense.... but they lacked that extra bit of quality needed to create that clear telling opportunity.
The second half was a let down overall that you knew would come down to one chance...
Looking forward to the final.
Dis comment beggin fuh ah prophet
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I was calling for Alves and Pato from the half. Dunga looked way too passive.
Can't believe Ronaldinho can't make this side...they have no imagination.
Robinho is a disappointment as usual.
The Brazilian attack depends almost entirely on Kaka and Robinho winning individual battles. It is not an attack based on much collective play/ball movement. If Kaka and Robinho have trouble springing free, Brazil has next to nada. Dat, apparently is Dunga's plan and he sticking with it. It often works, but every so often yuh see a game like this from Brazil. Gilberto Silva needs to go. Anderson need to be playing dat role and it's in these kinda tournaments he supposed to be getting groomed. He adds a lot more ability on the ball and is strong defensively.
And yes...Brazil needs Dinho. And altho he has been medicre for the senior team, I think yuh need Diego for games like this. And start grooming Hernanes from SP.....dat is a bad bad #10
hear nah....I calling for de Fat Man too. He play some boss ball in his last two games. And he might atually be getting fatter.
Brazil doh usually play toots twice in a row, so I kinda expect dem to come good in the final. But before SA 2010, something hadda change
Yep, experiment in progress. Interesting observations.
What I will say is Ramires is one don whose return ticket to South africa has been reserved.
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BTW what are the odds Brazil throw the game today just so they can fulfil the dream match up and cut Spain @$$?
lol slim to none...
:rotfl::rotfl: :rotfl:
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allyuh let it go... Ronaldinho gone thru..
funny enough, a couple weeks ago, i was talking with a partner who is a bouncer at a lil lounge in de city. Saddis have some connections i eh know bout, but he always liming in them football circles..
he was showing me some pics on his phone, from liming with ronaldinho just a couple nights before in nyc. he tell me that dinho tell him he playing one more year with Milan then he eh know whaz de scene after that.. he go see..
i feel after this year is Man City to coast and rake in some dollars and then he go peter out by age 30... my heart telling me he will fill in for Kaka and run it red in Serie A this year, but my mind telling me that he fall too fast and too hard, and he washed up.. sad though.
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I was calling for Alves and Pato from the half. Dunga looked way too passive.
Can't believe Ronaldinho can't make this side...they have no imagination.
Robinho is a disappointment as usual.
I tawt I was de only one tinkin' dat. He has been given alot of credit for his play in this tournament but I eh really likin' what I seein'. iI find he dribblin a lil too much.
Somehow I tort dribblin and too much dohapply tuh D Brazilians ;D
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I was calling for Alves and Pato from the half. Dunga looked way too passive.
Can't believe Ronaldinho can't make this side...they have no imagination.
Robinho is a disappointment as usual.
The Brazilian attack depends almost entirely on Kaka and Robinho winning individual battles. It is not an attack based on much collective play/ball movement. If Kaka and Robinho have trouble springing free, Brazil has next to nada. Dat, apparently is Dunga's plan and he sticking with it. It often works, but every so often yuh see a game like this from Brazil. Gilberto Silva needs to go. Anderson need to be playing dat role and it's in these kinda tournaments he supposed to be getting groomed. He adds a lot more ability on the ball and is strong defensively.
And yes...Brazil needs Dinho. And altho he has been medicre for the senior team, I think yuh need Diego for games like this. And start grooming Hernanes from SP.....dat is a bad bad #10
hear nah....I calling for de Fat Man too. He play some boss ball in his last two games. And he might atually be getting fatter.
Brazil doh usually play toots twice in a row, so I kinda expect dem to come good in the final. But before SA 2010, something hadda change
Yep, experiment in progress. Interesting observations.
What I will say is Ramires is one don whose return ticket to South africa has been reserved.
He didn't look too good today, but yeah he's been a revelation this tourney- speed for days..
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I also not really sold on Maicon being better than Dani.
And why does he take all the corners? His crosses are terrible!
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I was calling for Alves and Pato from the half. Dunga looked way too passive.
Can't believe Ronaldinho can't make this side...they have no imagination.
Robinho is a disappointment as usual.
I tawt I was de only one tinkin' dat. He has been given alot of credit for his play in this tournament but I eh really likin' what I seein'. iI find he dribblin a lil too much.
Somehow I tort dribblin and too much dohapply tuh D Brazilians ;D
Yeah, but there were kwite a few instances where I felt he coulda shoot or pass and he end up dribbling and killin' de play. I eh too vex, tho. I jes' want dem bussup allyuh side on Sunday. :devil: ;D
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What today's game showed was that when Brazil go on top early
many of the new players play with more composure & looked relaxed.
Under the stress of today's game, they showed panic and a lack of
composure & quality in their football. This was a good test for Dunga
to get a feel for his best squad.
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What today's game showed was that when Brazil go on top early
many of the new players play with more composure & looked relaxed.
Under the stress of today's game, they showed panic and a lack of
composure & quality in their football. This was a good test for Dunga
to get a feel for his best squad.
I like Ramires. Nice player.
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This is brilliant news for CONCACAF and we should be proud of what the US is doing to make our football acceptable the world over.The dismantling of the African Champions was great but beating Spain,well! no one can argue with that.I have said before that African football is over-hyped and Asian football is no where CONCACAF standard.I am backing USA to beat another over-hyped Brasil,who came close to losing to SA,a team that we beat before.Having said that we have ameeting with USA later on,we are going to turn things on its head by beating them,no probs.
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You start ah whole thread for this because uuuuuummmm..... ??? :-\
Chups.... :devil:
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I rel like these people who SWEAR that the usa's success somehow is "great for concacaf" is mind boggling. I didn't see Australia's success do anything for Fiji or Papua New Guinea.
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I am backing USA to beat another over-hyped Brasil,who came close to losing to SA,a team that we beat before.
like you get temporary amnesia or what?
While Brasil might have come close to losing to SA, they completely annihilated the USA a little over a week ago 3-0, in a score that could have been easily in the double figures.
Enthusiasm is acceptable, but logic should creep in. Just up to last Sunday prior to the USA-Egypt matchup, the press and supporters were writing off Bob Bradley and this team.
Brasil will dismantle and dispatch the USA even easier than before.
If anything, this is a run of good fortune, no doubt - but not entirely sustainable.
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I now read where the man call this Brazil team "over-hyped" oui! Allyuh good, yes.....steups!
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Torres: Back to square one
FIFA.com
Anyone expecting Spain to be in a state of shock after USA put an end to their historic runs of 15 consecutive wins and 35 games unbeaten should think again. Speaking to FIFA.com at the end of his side's 2-0 FIFA Confederations Cup semi-final defeat to the Americans, Fernando Torres vowed that La Roja will be going all out to win the play-off for third place and start all over again.
"What hurts most is going out in the semi-finals of a big competition, not the end of the run," explained the Liverpool goal-getter. "We knew that we couldn't possibly win every single game from now to the end of our careers and that the run would have to come to an end some day. We just didn't expect it to be here in South Africa, but that's the way it is. These things happen when you least expect them."
The blond-haired hitman, who notched a hat-trick in Spain's opening match against New Zealand, sees Sunday's match in Rustenburg as an opportunity to start yet another record-breaking sequence. "When you lose a game and you've got a lot of players who can barely remember the last time it happened, then it shows that you're on the right track. In fact, I'd rather this happen now than at the 2010 World Cup."
"We have to go back to square one now and start putting some more wins together," continued Torres before adding with a broad smile on his face, "I'd love us to go another 35 matches without losing. That would be great, especially with a World Cup in the middle."
I don't think anyone can say we ever showed a lack of respect to our opponents in that time. USA were the better side because they coped with the pressure we put on them and scored the goals.
Fernando Torres, Spain striker
Though El Niño and the rest of his team-mates appear to have taken defeat to the Americans in their stride, that does not mean to say they are relieved to see the end of a lengthy purple patch in which they earned the admiration of the entire footballing world. "Absolutely not," countered Torres emphatically. "I wanted us to win even more games. We didn't feel any extra pressure just because we were winning game after game. Something like that can only give you confidence. At the end of the day the USA took their chances up front, kept it tight at the back and deserved to win. You've got to congratulate them on that."
"The most important thing now is that we keep on showing the same down-to-earth approach as we did when we went all that time unbeaten," added the former Atletico Madrid prodigy. "I don't think anyone can say we ever showed a lack of respect to our opponents in that time. USA were the better side because they coped with the pressure we put on them and scored the goals. We'll try to take something out of the game and improve, just as we've been doing up to today."
Just to underline the scale of the Americans' achievement, only two sides (Finland in an October 2007 friendly and Italy in the quarter-finals of UEFA EURO 2008) have prevented the Spanish, spearheaded by the deadly duo of Torres and David Villa, from scoring in the last two and a half years.
In earning their notable win, Bob Bradley's side were brave up front and resolute at the back, qualities that Torres was well aware they possessed. "We saw how much better USA played with two strikers against Egypt, and when they decide to go on the offensive they are a really dangerous team. I still think we did ok though. We created chance after chance and didn't take any, while they put theirs away."
Spain's immediate priorities are Sunday's match for third place and the remainder of their qualification matches for the 2010 FIFA World Cup South Africa™. And as the gifted striker confirmed, their hunger for success remains undiminished. "Records are nice for everyone on the outside but as far as we concerned tonight is not the end for us. Far from it. The really big challenges are only just beginning."
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Mango,
Austrailia no longer in the Oceania group. They in the Asian group. They don't played Papua etc any more.
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Mango,
Austrailia no longer in the Oceania group. They in the Asian group. They don't played Papua etc any more.
Yeah, Deeks, I know. But they only made the switch from Oceania to Asia since this current World Cup Campaign and they have qualified easily already. Nobody ain't looking at that and saying that Oceania is all that good because Australia come over and beating people.
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I don't think that it was all that easy. Is just that the Aussies have improved their football. They have a lot of players in Europe and then they have the A league which is okay. Their is a passion for football even though Aussie rules is still the big game in town.
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I don't think that it was all that easy. Is just that the Aussies have improved their football. They have a lot of players in Europe and then they have the A league which is okay. Their is a passion for football even though Aussie rules is still the big game in town.
Either way, Deeks, my point remains. Australia improved, and had they stayed in Oceania, their improvement would have been eminent.....but it didn't mean that the other teams in the confederation automatically begin to get recognized as world beaters. the other teams HAVE to step up and match the dominant teams' success for things to change for the better for that confederation. China is not automatically going to benefit form the successes of the other top AFC teams unless they go out, improve their game and get results. Same goes for the teams in concacaf trying to get where the usa, Costa Rica and Mexico have been.
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Well the fact remains that if the US, Mexico, CR improved to be world beaters on a regular basis, that means we have to improve to beat them( US, Mexico, CR) or at least keep up with them. In that way out football will have impproved. One thing those three teams have in come is that their associations are not afraid to spend money on them.
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Well the fact remains that if the US, Mexico, CR improved to be world beaters on a regular basis, that means we have to improve to beat them( US, Mexico, CR) or at least keep up with them. In that way out football will have impproved. One thing those three teams have in come is that their associations are not afraid to spend money on them.
Ok.....and again, the staus quo in concacaf has been the status quo for a long time( Mexico, usa and Costa Rica).....how have we (and any other concacaf teams) improved to consistently be competitive with them alone, far less to compete with teams in other confederations that you can really say concacaf is doing big things? We have had Haiti in '74, Jamaica in '98 and T&T in '06 and the most we can say we have done for ourselves over that time frame is a jamaican victory over Japan and T&T's draw with Sweden. How else has concacaf "benefited" from anything the status quo has done? The only reason we have 3.5 slots in the World Cup isn't because fifa said "hey jack, we like how concacaf looking so we going to give you guys an extra 1.5 slots." I hardly think so, Padnah.
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Mango Chow leh me break it down to you simple...
UEFA's prestige isn't determined by San Marino and Iceland. It's determined by Spain, Germany, Italy, etc. Its lesser teams' quality is measured by that standard.
The Premiership's prestige isn't determined by Fulham and Sunderland. It's determined by Liverpool, Man U, Arsenal, etc. Its lesser teams' quality is measured by that standard.
If de powerhouses of CONCACAF are perceived as shit, then CONCACAF is perceived as shit. Its lesser teams' quality is measured by that standard.
All who complaining about lack of quality warm-ups will continue to wait, because there will be no apparent benefit for quality teams in playing anyone in this confederation. All who concerned about the country's ranking, which affects our players' prospects for a work permit will have to chill. We ain't playing nobody bigger dan US and Mexico, and de higher their rankings the better for us. All who happy about 3 or 4 places will have to get used to 2. All who just want us to command respect from the footballing community will have to hold on wit that.
No matter how reluctant you may be to accept it, if our powerhouses perform well outside of CONCACAF, especially against highly-ranked opponents, it's beneficial to what we trying to achieve.
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Mango Chow leh me break it down to you simple...
UEFA's prestige isn't determined by San Marino and Iceland. It's determined by Spain, Germany, Italy, etc. Its lesser teams' quality is measured by that standard.
The Premiership's prestige isn't determined by Fulham and Sunderland. It's determined by Liverpool, Man U, Arsenal, etc. Its lesser teams' quality is measured by that standard.
If de powerhouses of CONCACAF are perceived as shit, then CONCACAF is perceived as shit. Its lesser teams' quality is measured by that standard.
All who complaining about lack of quality warm-ups will continue to wait, because there will be no apparent benefit for quality teams in playing anyone in this confederation. All who concerned about the country's ranking, which affects our players' prospects for a work permit will have to chill. We ain't playing nobody bigger dan US and Mexico, and de higher their rankings the better for us. All who happy about 3 or 4 places will have to get used to 2.
No matter how reluctant you may be to accept it, if our powerhouses perform well outside of CONCACAF, especially against highly-ranked opponents, it's beneficial to what we trying to achieve. The least of which, I would assume, is commanding respect from the footballing community.
Boss, your explanation, to me, which is the general consensus of those sharing your view, is all well and good if the improvements seen by the usa somehow can filter down to us and "therefore"......the "if this, then that" theory is all to simple to me but the bottom line is this: the usa is improving consistently and everybody else (including us, T&T,) is not. Maybe we will see something from Honduras and/or El Salvador if the make it to SA next year but concacaf is not that much more respected now just because the usa beat Spain yesterday. the usa may get some respect but not concacaf. As long as we and other fledgling teams keep on putting up the kind of hapless performances we did against Mexico or as we always do agains the same usa, concacaf is not going to budge. Mexico, Costa Rica and usa will always be the great whites, and we are always going to be among the seals. Every now and thaen, one of us is going to slip out into the open seas, but for the most part, we'll still continue to just be fodder on the field.
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Mango,
You already know why the Caribbean teams not improving. Good organization and money are the real reasons. We already know the TT situation. The problem with Haiti has more to do with political instablity than money. The are plenty of Haitian businesses in Miami/NY who can put money into football when they ready. With JA it maybe more about money than anything else.
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Mango,
You already know why the Caribbean teams not improving. Good organization and money are the real reasons. We already know the TT situation. The problem with Haiti has more to do with political instablity than money. The are plenty of Haitian businesses in Miami/NY who can put money into football when they ready. With JA it maybe more about money than anything else.
Deeks, no matter the reason though, the end result is still the same. Remember, too, there are many a country that having their own political, military and socioeconomic problems and their football is improving too eh. Yuh could close yuh eye and pick any of them African teams and their problems might even be worse than ours.
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We can't compare with the Africans. There's so much talent there it is frightening. But Poverty, and the hunger to succeed is the extra edge that they propably have that does put them over the top.
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This is brilliant news for CONCACAF and we should be proud of what the US is doing to make our football acceptable the world over.The dismantling of the African Champions was great but beating Spain,well! no one can argue with that.I have said before that African football is over-hyped and Asian football is no where CONCACAF standard.I am backing USA to beat another over-hyped Brasil,who came close to losing to SA,a team that we beat before.Having said that we have ameeting with USA later on,we are going to turn things on its head by beating them,no probs.
Allyuh sad yes.
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This is brilliant news for CONCACAF and we should be proud of what the US is doing to make our football acceptable the world over.The dismantling of the African Champions was great but beating Spain,well! no one can argue with that.I have said before that African football is over-hyped and Asian football is no where CONCACAF standard.I am backing USA to beat another over-hyped Brasil,who came close to losing to SA,a team that we beat before.Having said that we have ameeting with USA later on,we are going to turn things on its head by beating them,no probs.
Allyuh sad yes.
Leave de people chirren dem alone please, Toppa.
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I rel like these people who SWEAR that the usa's success somehow is "great for concacaf" is mind boggling. I didn't see Australia's success do anything for Fiji or Papua New Guinea.
Good performances by CONCACAF teams in the World Cup bring benefits to the region in the form of more places for CONCACAF teams at the World Cup.
In the 2002 World Cup both the USA and Mexico -- 2 out of the 3 CONCACAF teams there -- advanced from their group. That success was instrumental in getting the region a half spot for 2006: the same half spot that T&T used to qualify!
Currently Mexico is the only team in the region that has a seed for the next World Cup draw. This is because they consistently advance from their group at the WC finals. The USA's win against Spain, and the overall good performance in the Confederations Cup, will boost our rankings for sure. It still probably won't be enough to get us a seed for the 2010 draw, although that could happen if we win the Gold Cup. But it's still a long shot.
At any rate, if you want to see CONCACAF continue to hang onto that half spot for WC qualification -- and possibly earn another one -- then you should want to see the USA, Mexico and other teams from the region (like CR) perform well on the big stages.
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Awrite mates,I understand that the majority of people from our part of the world,Trinidad, are supporters of Brazil and to a greater degree African teams.I was also the same but I have changed my way of thinking about 10 years ago.I have seen so much football from those teams and sometimes it is difficult to believe that I am looking at Brasil,or say,Nigeria,Ghana or even SA.I dont intend to follow blindly the masses who still live on the past of a Brasil of the 70s,they are now quite a comparable team with anybody and not better by miles as some of you would have people believe.No one is denying the individual skills of the South Americans but over the last 10 or 15 years things are levelling out.
We keep "bad mouthing" our own TT players but yesterday's performance by KAKA.....what do you expect me to say?WELL YOU AND I KNOW HE PLAYED WELL UP TO HIS EXOTIC NAME...kaka!!!!
I wouldn't have minded if it was Jones,Scotland or Stern but this Brasilian,isn't he some kindah God,as for Robinho
the less said the better,he playes one good match every 5 in the EPL.Lets not forget that SA is not even the 4th best African team,they put 2 defensive mid fielders out there and shut out the whole Brasilian mid field,complete lock out,arnt they superior footballers,superior skills,superior football brain,what a shame SA didn't put away that early header,dont forget we beat SA 2 years ago.The only parallell I can draw from this match is Chelsea vs Tobago United,as you have noticed I haven't said anything about African football,that is simple,there is nothing to be said.I'll say again USA to beat Brasil,I hope you blokes dont start to cuss me now coz I've still got feelings for Africa and South America,not the same like when ah was young and blind. :-[ :-[
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I was calling for Alves and Pato from the half. Dunga looked way too passive.
Can't believe Ronaldinho can't make this side...they have no imagination.
Robinho is a disappointment as usual.
I tawt I was de only one tinkin' dat. He has been given alot of credit for his play in this tournament but I eh really likin' what I seein'. iI find he dribblin a lil too much.
Somehow I tort dribblin and too much dohapply tuh D Brazilians ;D
Yeah, but there were kwite a few instances where I felt he coulda shoot or pass and he end up dribbling and killin' de play. I eh too vex, tho. I jes' want dem bussup allyuh side on Sunday. :devil: ;D
In the mix though was a lot of holding up the ball for off the ball movement ... he got what he was looking for more times than not.
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Awrite mates,I understand that the majority of people from our part of the world,Trinidad, are supporters of Brazil and to a greater degree African teams.I was also the same but I have changed my way of thinking about 10 years ago.I have seen so much football from those teams and sometimes it is difficult to believe that I am looking at Brasil,or say,Nigeria,Ghana or even SA.I dont intend to follow blindly the masses who still live on the past of a Brasil of the 70s,they are now quite a comparable team with anybody and not better by miles as some of you would have people believe.No one is denying the individual skills of the South Americans but over the last 10 or 15 years things are levelling out.
We keep "bad mouthing" our own TT players but yesterday's performance by KAKA.....what do you expect me to say?WELL YOU AND I KNOW HE PLAYED WELL UP TO HIS EXOTIC NAME...kaka!!!!
I wouldn't have minded if it was Jones,Scotland or Stern but this Brasilian,isn't he some kindah God,as for Robinho
the less said the better,he playes one good match every 5 in the EPL.Lets not forget that SA is not even the 4th best African team,they put 2 defensive mid fielders out there and shut out the whole Brasilian mid field,complete lock out,arnt they superior footballers,superior skills,superior football brain,what a shame SA didn't put away that early header,dont forget we beat SA 2 years ago.The only parallell I can draw from this match is Chelsea vs Tobago United,as you have noticed I haven't said anything about African football,that is simple,there is nothing to be said.I'll say again USA to beat Brasil,I hope you blokes dont start to cuss me now coz I've still got feelings for Africa and South America,not the same like when ah was young and blind. :-[ :-[
No need to still have "feelings for Africa and South America" boss, you can go and wrap yourself up in a red, white and blue flag and nobody'll oppress yuh for it. It ain't no scene. What you're suffering from is a severe case of waggonism. The funny thing you saying here is your implication that Brazil hasn't played any attractive football for their real fans' liking since the 70's. I could only laugh at that because while it may be arguable that the 1970 is the greatest team to ever win a World Cup, they looked absolutely terrible in Germany and were overshadowed by the host nation's performance (as Peru can attest to) in '78, and Brazil's game has changed (arguably out of necessity) ever since. Sounds like you're using the age-old soundbite that commentators use of Brazil's fans wanting to still see them play "the beautiful game" as only they can play it and that isn't going to happen against today's opposition. You think the usa is going to come out in anything more than a defensive-counterattacking posture on Sunday? Think again. They'll stack up their defense and.....well, you know the rest. The African teams are still a work in progress. Progress being the operative word.
I rel like these people who SWEAR that the usa's success somehow is "great for concacaf" is mind boggling. I didn't see Australia's success do anything for Fiji or Papua New Guinea.
Good performances by CONCACAF teams in the World Cup bring benefits to the region in the form of more places for CONCACAF teams at the World Cup.
In the 2002 World Cup both the USA and Mexico -- 2 out of the 3 CONCACAF teams there -- advanced from their group. That success was instrumental in getting the region a half spot for 2006: the same half spot that T&T used to qualify!
Currently Mexico is the only team in the region that has a seed for the next World Cup draw. This is because they consistently advance from their group at the WC finals. The USA's win against Spain, and the overall good performance in the Confederations Cup, will boost our rankings for sure. It still probably won't be enough to get us a seed for the 2010 draw, although that could happen if we win the Gold Cup. But it's still a long shot.
At any rate, if you want to see CONCACAF continue to hang onto that half spot for WC qualification -- and possibly earn another one -- then you should want to see the USA, Mexico and other teams from the region (like CR) perform well on the big stages.
Listen, zip head, your last sentence embodies the one point I have been making all along, except, it doesn't apply to Costa Rica, who is already a member of the upper echelon of concacaf. Any success they enjoy will only be seen as a return to form and not any improvement of the confederation. To some extent, the same applies to El Salvador. It's the OTHER TEAMS IN THE REGION that have to step up AND CONSISTENTLY PLAY WELL (and while that may especially apply to Canada, it especially applies to T&T, Jamaica, Cuba and Haiti and maybe even Guyana) in order for the confederation as a whole, to gain some modicum of respect. I want you to go here:
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=44732.0 (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=44732.0 ) read question 11 and see how it applies to you in this particular discussion. Here are some facts for you to consider: Ever since the original WC in 1930 up until 1978, concacaf was ALWAYS given either 1 or 2 slots, and I want you to hold on to that point, but consider the following: As the wheels of colonization started falling off, African nations in particular, started emerging to the point that they no longer had to go into a playoff between themselves and other confederations and CAF first started consistently getting their lone slot in 1970. Just ONE SLOT. Fifa made this change while the field for the WC was still only 16 teams. There have twice been expansions to the field from 16 to 24 in 1982 and from 24 to 32 in 1998. Over that period of time, concacaf has gained 1.5 additional slots and CAF has gained 4. I am well aware of Trinidad having used that .5 slot to qualify for Germany and we can thank expansion and jack warner for that. Now, if fifa decides with their mafia self to further expand the field from 32 to 36 or even 40 teams (because, remember, since the break-up of USSR, more and more teams are now emerging from Europe, and fifa is, after all, a European organization) maybe we can expect to get a slot or two, maybe. But even so, if the bottom-dwelling European and Asian and African teams start showing vast improvement across the board as opposed to the same teams over and over again, and the same three top teams in concacaf keep getting results, who do you think fifa are going to give those extra slots to? concacaf? You would have to be a jack-ass to believe that. As it is, if we don't show consistency and produce results with that .5 slot in the playoffs against other confederations(now with CONMEBOL) we just might lose it for real because the other confederations are showing improvement across the board. If the other concacaf teams don't improve, teams numbered 1 through 3 will always be a Mexico, usa and Costa Rica, and team number 3.5 will always be a T&T or Jamaica or Guatemala that would have a hard time playing off against any other confederation. You can afford run your mouth and wave your flag because the usa is the likeliest team to be in the top 3, year after year and whether or not they get seeded has everything to do with their OWN performance and not anybody elses.
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Re: South Africa and Brazil.
The match offered some info as far as the discussion regarding tactical prowess, buh ah will reserve that until the final. What I will say is that Santana probably gave us more of an interesting and entertaining platform for the game than would have Carlos Alberto Parreira.
If I have ah "beef" is that to be more threatening in open play, SA needed to get an additional player into the box. Two was more or less the constant. Set plays brought numbers forward but there wasn't any symmetry ... even Mokoena's header looked more opportunistic than convincing (when he got in between Lucio and Luisao). The hint fuh me is that practically every other green shirt seemed to be on a different page on what they expected of the delivery.
Other observation ... kinda relevant re: Maicon over Dani Alves ... having reviewed the first half, going forward SA had the opportunity to play a couple diagonal balls in behind Maicon, but elected to play the ball square in front of the attacker ... hence also in front of Maicon. These were not productive.
Perhaps they didn't want to get caught out on the counter ... but getting tucked in that space would have asked some questions of Dunga.
Will Santana be able to build on this? Or, did he pull this off based on his familiarity with the opposition? Cause there's that.
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Mango Chow yuh have real patience.....
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Mango Chow yuh have real patience.....
A fine kwalitee in a husband (in case yuh lookin' fuh one nuh) ;D
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Mango Chow here's a question,how much do you think England would have put pass Brasil yesterday or for that matter SA?
I'd like to say again that there's too much hype about Brasil and Argentina,when you watch them play they look as ordinary as any lowly rated European team,their players are sold for exorbitant sums and the majority dont produce.Mnagers live in hope that their magic would show up,It does now and then.African players on the other hand have been getting exposure for many years,the fact is only one African team showed that they can match anybody but sadly they haven't progressed enough.You said that I should wrap myself in the Union Jack,tell yuh the truth,I wont even do that when they win the WC IN 2010,HOPE YUH SEE WHAT I'VE SAID,WHEN THEY WIN THE WC 2010. 8) 8) 8)
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Mango Chow here's a question,how much do you think England would have put pass Brasil yesterday or for that matter SA?
I'd like to say again that there's too much hype about Brasil and Argentina,when you watch them play they look as ordinary as any lowly rated European team,their players are sold for exorbitant sums and the majority dont produce.Mnagers live in hope that their magic would show up,It does now and then.African players on the other hand have been getting exposure for many years,the fact is only one African team showed that they can match anybody but sadly they haven't progressed enough.You said that I should wrap myself in the Union Jack,tell yuh the truth,I wont even do that when they win the WC IN 2010,HOPE YUH SEE WHAT I'VE SAID,WHEN THEY WIN THE WC 2010. 8) 8) 8)
as any lowly european team?
nah sir, they have days they look disjointed every other game but they produce alot more than you say, the only thing I'd if anything I think their managers don't do there jobs very well and are often over-reliant on their name players making the result for them...and often when the plan a fails they don't often have a sufficient plan b..
Argentina in 2006 played some of the best football in the tournament and were unfortunately to go out on PKs to the host..
England very likely would have looked just as bad against South Africa, you remember how threatening England looked against T&T two years ago?
African teams have raw talent and probably suffer from a lack of know how..but I can't say they have better teams or players than South America...
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Mango Chow here's a question,how much do you think England would have put pass Brasil yesterday or for that matter SA?
I'd like to say again that there's too much hype about Brasil and Argentina,when you watch them play they look as ordinary as any lowly rated European team,their players are sold for exorbitant sums and the majority dont produce.Mnagers live in hope that their magic would show up,It does now and then.African players on the other hand have been getting exposure for many years,the fact is only one African team showed that they can match anybody but sadly they haven't progressed enough.You said that I should wrap myself in the Union Jack,tell yuh the truth,I wont even do that when they win the WC IN 2010,HOPE YUH SEE WHAT I'VE SAID,WHEN THEY WIN THE WC 2010. 8) 8) 8)
frico...just as you don't think people shouldn't be too high n Brazil, you are kinda going overboard on describing what you consider their mediocrity. Brazil stutters every now and then, but generally they've been class. You really think Brazil has been poor when winning 4 of the last 5 Copa Americas. Playing in 3 of the last 4 world cup finals and winning 2. Kaka and Robinho looked poor yesterday, but that is an exception, not the rule. Sure the playing field is a lot more even, and their transfer prices are not an indication of their superior skill, but a combination of playing ability, marketability etc..Brazilians command a kind of implied premium simply by being Brazilian. Don't get mad at that...sure they are benefitting from their past style and success, but they do bring some serious skill and joy to the game even today. So, did you see Brazil beat Itay 3-0 in this tournament...why didn't you make your point about their mediocrity then? What about the 2-1 over Italy earlier this year in London, or the 6-2 thrashing of Portugal before that? What about the thrashing of Argentina in the Copa America, or the last Confed Cup final, or the 3-0 win the friendly in London. This Brazil team is not my favorite, but have some balance. One poor performance and you come out of the woodworks...were all the other successes just luck.
what would England do yesterday? England could not even qualify for Euro 2008 so you'll never know. I saw a bland Brazil play England last year at Wembley and hold them 1-1..Even when Brazil plays poorly, they know how to get a result most times. And they did it in England. Again...you pick and choose your spots, but don't look at the overall picture. In recent years, Brazil and their players have been top level by any standards. I not saying they are unplayable or unbeatable and I sure not saying to discount the US either, but you kind of overdoing it. Brazil eh mediocre...Easily on of the best teams on the planet with some superbly gifted players. They just not the only ones
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This is brilliant news for CONCACAF and we should be proud of what the US is doing to make our football acceptable the world over.The dismantling of the African Champions was great but beating Spain,well! no one can argue with that.I have said before that African football is over-hyped and Asian football is no where CONCACAF standard.I am backing USA to beat another over-hyped Brasil,who came close to losing to SA,a team that we beat before.Having said that we have ameeting with USA later on,we are going to turn things on its head by beating them,no probs.
Frico - I see that you have 500+ posts on this forum...so it is amazing that you would post this kind of back-sideness on this thread. Do you not realize that is big big football supporters on here?? African football over-hyped? - - where in today's game African players are at a premium because coupled with there obvious talents on the fields, they are physical specimens. Over-hyped Brazil - - ok by a show of hands how many of us would love to see our SW team play, the mess that Brazil play against SA? .... come on people, Brazil had a sub par performance..for Brazil - over hyped (Negro please!)... can they lose to the US? Ofcourse...that is the beauty of the game.
However, for the sake of the beauty of the game - I certainly hope that the US does not win. Their "brand" is not beautiful - by any stretch of the imagination. After the first two games people were saying that they have no purpose to their play..they looked lost...how has that changed? The major change / improvement has been Davies and Merrit. Other than that, not much possession .. hustle and hard work..which obviously pays off. I will give Jack he Jacket and admit that the US did what they had to to win...but cyar ever say I supporting the US side - too damn arrogant for me sah! and doh tell me to get over Nov 19 (like I read in an earlier post). I was in the stadium that day and cried just as many were. You never entirely forget that 1st true love and 1st heartbreak....the country fell in love with the Strike Squad, could NEVER get over dat.
Frico, you are entitled to your opinion - but fella please know that you will get pung everytime.. with mess like that. For many of us on here, the priority is clear...
T&T - 1, Brazil - 2....anybody vs. the US - 3 .... is not hate or jealousy or any of that, but is like how yuh would feel about de man dat coasting on yuh, because he brushin de ting dat used to be/supposed to be yours.....yuh jes cyar like dah man!!
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Final prediction: Brazil 3 US 0
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Mango Chow here's a question,how much do you think England would have put pass Brasil yesterday or for that matter SA?
I'd like to say again that there's too much hype about Brasil and Argentina,when you watch them play they look as ordinary as any lowly rated European team,their players are sold for exorbitant sums and the majority dont produce.Mnagers live in hope that their magic would show up,It does now and then.African players on the other hand have been getting exposure for many years,the fact is only one African team showed that they can match anybody but sadly they haven't progressed enough.You said that I should wrap myself in the Union Jack,tell yuh the truth,I wont even do that when they win the WC IN 2010,HOPE YUH SEE WHAT I'VE SAID,WHEN THEY WIN THE WC 2010. 8) 8) 8)
People were saying the same thing in WC 2002 before the England - Brazil clash...oh how Brazil are overrated, blah blah blah...England this, England that...and what happened? It was men against boys.
And you have to be kidding when you say that Brazil & Argentina are on par with lowly reated European teams...please.
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lord...sando new screen name is frico...
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This is brilliant news for CONCACAF and we should be proud of what the US is doing to make our football acceptable the world over.The dismantling of the African Champions was great but beating Spain,well! no one can argue with that.I have said before that African football is over-hyped and Asian football is no where CONCACAF standard.I am backing USA to beat another over-hyped Brasil,who came close to losing to SA,a team that we beat before.Having said that we have ameeting with USA later on,we are going to turn things on its head by beating them,no probs.
Frico - I see that you have 500+ posts on this forum...so it is amazing that you would post this kind of back-sideness on this thread. Do you not realize that is big big football supporters on here?? African football over-hyped? - - where in today's game African players are at a premium because coupled with there obvious talents on the fields, they are physical specimens. Over-hyped Brazil - - ok by a show of hands how many of us would love to see our SW team play, the mess that Brazil play against SA? .... come on people, Brazil had a sub par performance..for Brazil - over hyped (Negro please!)... can they lose to the US? Ofcourse...that is the beauty of the game.
However, for the sake of the beauty of the game - I certainly hope that the US does not win. Their "brand" is not beautiful - by any stretch of the imagination. After the first two games people were saying that they have no purpose to their play..they looked lost...how has that changed? The major change / improvement has been Davies and Merrit. Other than that, not much possession .. hustle and hard work..which obviously pays off. I will give Jack he Jacket and admit that the US did what they had to to win...but cyar ever say I supporting the US side - too damn arrogant for me sah! and doh tell me to get over Nov 19 (like I read in an earlier post). I was in the stadium that day and cried just as many were. You never entirely forget that 1st true love and 1st heartbreak....the country fell in love with the Strike Squad, could NEVER get over dat.
Frico, you are entitled to your opinion - but fella please know that you will get pung everytime.. with mess like that. For many of us on here, the priority is clear...
T&T - 1, Brazil - 2....anybody vs. the US - 3 .... is not hate or jealousy or any of that, but is like how yuh would feel about de man dat coasting on yuh, because he brushin de ting dat used to be/supposed to be yours.....yuh jes cyar like dah man!!
:beermug: :beermug:
Final prediction: Brazil 3 US 0
lol... good post.
kinda encapsulates my sentiments.. people need to relax with the rationale and let men hate in peace.
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Oh yeah sorry Frico... the newest addition for the SWNet Dictionary..
back-sideness
Meaning: When someone .. (today we will use Frico as an example) is talking out of their arse. Also known as Loose bowel syndrome of the mouth.
;D
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.. people need to relax with the rationale and let men hate in peace.
unless they Jamaican...
of course
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Oh yeah sorry Frico... the newest addition for the SWNet Dictionary..
back-sideness
Meaning: When someone .. (today we will use Frico as an example) is talking out of their arse. Also known as Loose bowel syndrome of the mouth.
;D
I like de word but I would prefer if yuh spell it "backsided-ness". Dat extra "d" in dey give some symmetry in pronunciation.
Omar calling fuh man to let odder man hate in peace. Tank yuh very much, Omar. Like a man cyah jook de usa on dis site at all boy. Is only a setta 9-eleveners comin' wit dey gunz blazin!
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Oh yeah sorry Frico... the newest addition for the SWNet Dictionary..
back-sideness
Meaning: When someone .. (today we will use Frico as an example) is talking out of their arse. Also known as Loose bowel syndrome of the mouth.
;D
I like de word but I would prefer if yuh spell it "backsided-ness". Dat extra "d" in dey give some symmetry in pronunciation.
Omar calling fuh man to let odder man hate in peace. Tank yuh very much, Omar. Like a man cyah jook de usa on dis site at all boy. Is only a setta 9-eleveners comin' wit dey gunz blazin!
I good with that. Motion to change the mess that Frico talkin from back-sideness, to "backsided- ness approved.!!...
All in favor ...say "yes I"
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Oh yeah sorry Frico... the newest addition for the SWNet Dictionary..
back-sideness
Meaning: When someone .. (today we will use Frico as an example) is talking out of their arse. Also known as Loose bowel syndrome of the mouth.
;D
I like de word but I would prefer if yuh spell it "backsided-ness". Dat extra "d" in dey give some symmetry in pronunciation.
Omar calling fuh man to let odder man hate in peace. Tank yuh very much, Omar. Like a man cyah jook de usa on dis site at all boy. Is only a setta 9-eleveners comin' wit dey gunz blazin!
oh gyad....backsided-ness, 9 eleveners...allyuh on fire today
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Ah, daiz where de problem come out.
relax with the rationale
I doh do this very well.
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Oh yeah sorry Frico... the newest addition for the SWNet Dictionary..
back-sideness
Meaning: When someone .. (today we will use Frico as an example) is talking out of their arse. Also known as Loose bowel syndrome of the mouth.
;D
I like de word but I would prefer if yuh spell it "backsided-ness". Dat extra "d" in dey give some symmetry in pronunciation.
Omar calling fuh man to let odder man hate in peace. Tank yuh very much, Omar. Like a man cyah jook de usa on dis site at all boy. Is only a setta 9-eleveners comin' wit dey gunz blazin!
I good with that. Motion to change the mess that Frico talkin from back-sideness, to "backsided- ness approved.!!...
All in favor ...say "yes I"
I eh know whey you come out from today - but that is 3 brilliant, heart-felt posts that could get applied to much more than football.
men go have tabanca for lunch today
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Yeah boss ..real people could relate to that on a few different levels. Tooth ache is the only pain - forgive me ladies, because I have never experience child-birth - pain worse than Tabanca!
Before today I was reserving comment on the whole US feel good win/story ...because I did not want to react based off of emotion (I was sick when they beat Spain) -- but I eventually got over it, recognized it for what it was...manned-up and moved on...
...and then Frico...hav to come an pull Brazil into it and oh how he proud ah de US - pull mih right back een!!
Have not posted on the Forum for a while (new name) - and it take a man like Frico to get mih back in de mix. So in a way Frics...I appreciated the _________ - ness, yuh post today!! Cheers brethren :beermug:
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Ah, daiz where de problem come out.
relax with the rationale
I doh do this very well.
neither do I beans... i not on blind bias and subjectivity but on certain topics, no amount of sense and good talk bringing me around..
doh try to tell me about why i should support the USA because i living there and they beat a few teams..
doh tell me we was lucky to draw against sweden..
doh tell me under any circumstances that jamaica doing better than us..
doh tell me crouch good..
it have a few more on that list, but on dem topics just leave me de *** be..
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Ah, daiz where de problem come out.
relax with the rationale
I doh do this very well.
neither do I beans... i not on blind bias and subjectivity but on certain topics, no amount of sense and good talk bringing me around..
doh try to tell me about why i should support the USA because i living there and they beat a few teams..
doh tell me we was lucky to draw against sweden..
doh tell me under any circumstances that jamaica doing better than us..
doh tell me crouch good..
it have a few more on that list, but on dem topics just leave me de *** be..
lol. Seen.
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You fellas making meh laugh with that new word "back-sidedness" I'll start using it on meh English work mates,that is first I heard that one.I luv it doh. ;D ;D ;D
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Here are some facts for you to consider: Ever since the original WC in 1930 up until 1978, concacaf was ALWAYS given either 1 or 2 slots, and I want you to hold on to that point, but consider the following: As the wheels of colonization started falling off, African nations in particular, started emerging to the point that they no longer had to go into a playoff between themselves and other confederations and CAF first started consistently getting their lone slot in 1970. Just ONE SLOT. Fifa made this change while the field for the WC was still only 16 teams. There have twice been expansions to the field from 16 to 24 in 1982 and from 24 to 32 in 1998. Over that period of time, concacaf has gained 1.5 additional slots and CAF has gained 4. I am well aware of Trinidad having used that .5 slot to qualify for Germany and we can thank expansion and jack warner for that.
You seem to be a bit hazy on how the whole thing unfolded, so let me remind you that when the WC was expanded to 32 teams in 1998 CONCACAF received ONE extra spot. The additional half spot didn't come until 2006. This was because the defending champion no longer automatically qualified after 2002 and it freed up a whole place.
Now when FIFA divided it in half they had to decide who to award those playoff spots to, and I'm sure your Uncle Jack did a fine job when arguing the case for our region. But if you think that he would have been able to pull it off without having the luxury of pointing out how 2 out of 3 CONCACAF teams had advanced from their groups in that previous WC then you are just plain delusional.
I know you're uncomfortable pondering the fact that the U.S. team's performance was instrumental in T&T having the playoff spot to compete in -- especially since it blows apart your fallacious argument that other CONCACAF teams don't benefit from strong U.S. (or Mexican) performances in high-profile tournaments. But that's a problem you'll just have to deal with.
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[size=110pt]Organizers look at work ahead for 2010 World Cup[/size]
By Stuart Condie, AP Sports Writer
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/soccer/2009-06-26-3167495452_x.htm
JOHANNESBURG — With just two games remaining at the Confederations Cup, South African organizers are looking at the work still to be done to prepare for next year's World Cup.
Fourteen games have been played at the eight-team warmup for next year's tournament and organizers said on Friday that they were largely happy with how things had gone but would wait until after Sunday's final and third-place game before making their report.
Then, it will be time to see what needs to be done to improve transportation, stadiums and other infrastructure for the 32-nation World Cup.
"We must not celebrate too long," 2010 World Cup organizing committee head Danny Jordaan said. "We must knuckle down and deliver the conditions for the World Cup, which is a huge competition."
The Confederations Cup was designed to help organizers highlight areas in need of improvement before the World Cup, and organizers said it had again been a worthwhile experience.
"We must look to the 2010 World Cup through the eyes of the Confederations Cup," Jordaan said. "We must realize we are not hosting the Confederations Cup in this country again."
Jordaan said the standard of the facilities will be better next year. The Confederations Cup featured only four venues, all of them shared with rugby.
"We have played in existing stadiums and these are our worst stadiums," Jordaan said of the venues in Johannesburg, Pretoria, Bloemfontein and Rustenburg. "Our best stadiums are still to come. The co-use of stadiums is not an issue."
FIFA president Sepp Blatter also highlighted the performance of the tournament's less favored teams as one of the competition's successes, with South Africa narrowly losing to Brazil in Thursday's semifinal and the United States reaching the final by stunning top-ranked Spain on Wednesday.
Blatter said he hoped nations such as the United States had an even greater chance of success at the World Cup, with a seeding system for the first-round draw making it almost impossible for the Americans to face such a tough group again.
The United States progressed to the semifinals by finishing second in a group also containing Brazil, World Cup holder Italy and African champion Egypt.
"There are no more dominant teams," Blatter said. "In the World Cup, it will be easier because there are 32 teams and in the draw for the groups, teams are seeded. In the World Cup, such a group could not be possible.
"As FIFA president, I must be very happy to have an American final: north against south."
Jordaan agreed that the United States' success was good for soccer.
"The USA (team) is a revelation in terms of interest now in the U.S.," he said.
Copyright 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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Here are some facts for you to consider: Ever since the original WC in 1930 up until 1978, concacaf was ALWAYS given either 1 or 2 slots, and I want you to hold on to that point, but consider the following: As the wheels of colonization started falling off, African nations in particular, started emerging to the point that they no longer had to go into a playoff between themselves and other confederations and CAF first started consistently getting their lone slot in 1970. Just ONE SLOT. Fifa made this change while the field for the WC was still only 16 teams. There have twice been expansions to the field from 16 to 24 in 1982 and from 24 to 32 in 1998. Over that period of time, concacaf has gained 1.5 additional slots and CAF has gained 4. I am well aware of Trinidad having used that .5 slot to qualify for Germany and we can thank expansion and jack warner for that.
You seem to be a bit hazy on how the whole thing unfolded, so let me remind you that when the WC was expanded to 32 teams in 1998 CONCACAF received ONE extra spot. The additional half spot didn't come until 2006. This was because the defending champion no longer automatically qualified after 2002 and it freed up a whole place.
Now when FIFA divided it in half they had to decide who to award those playoff spots to, and I'm sure your Uncle Jack did a fine job when arguing the case for our region. But if you think that he would have been able to pull it off without having the luxury of pointing out how 2 out of 3 CONCACAF teams had advanced from their groups in that previous WC then you are just plain delusional.
I know you're uncomfortable pondering the fact that the U.S. team's performance was instrumental in T&T having the playoff spot to compete in -- especially since it blows apart your fallacious argument that other CONCACAF teams don't benefit from strong U.S. (or Mexican) performances in high-profile tournaments. But that's a problem you'll just have to deal with.
Well, here's where your theory don't hold water. In 1994 two out of the two concacaf teams advanced past the group stage. In fact, one of those teams even came out group winners beating out Italy, Republic of Ireland and Norway to top the group. The other team pulled off a major upset by defeating Columbia in what turned out to be a national tragedy for Columbian football. Now, wouldn't it stand to reason, (using your levitated argument, of course) that for the next Tournament, when they increased the field by 8 teams, that concacaf should have gotten at least 2 of them slots? How come they only got 1 when 1 is what they would have gotten anyway? How come "our" uncle jack wasn't able to use concacaf's success rate to bargain for more than just an obligatory slot in an expansion tournament? Please transpose your theory and explain that for me.
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This is brilliant news for CONCACAF and we should be proud of what the US is doing to make our football acceptable the world over.The dismantling of the African Champions was great but beating Spain,well! no one can argue with that.I have said before that African football is over-hyped and Asian football is no where CONCACAF standard.I am backing USA to beat another over-hyped Brasil,who came close to losing to SA,a team that we beat before.Having said that we have ameeting with USA later on,we are going to turn things on its head by beating them,no probs.
Frico - I see that you have 500+ posts on this forum...so it is amazing that you would post this kind of back-sideness on this thread. Do you not realize that is big big football supporters on here?? African football over-hyped? - - where in today's game African players are at a premium because coupled with there obvious talents on the fields, they are physical specimens. Over-hyped Brazil - - ok by a show of hands how many of us would love to see our SW team play, the mess that Brazil play against SA? .... come on people, Brazil had a sub par performance..for Brazil - over hyped (Negro please!)... can they lose to the US? Ofcourse...that is the beauty of the game.
However, for the sake of the beauty of the game - I certainly hope that the US does not win. Their "brand" is not beautiful - by any stretch of the imagination. After the first two games people were saying that they have no purpose to their play..they looked lost...how has that changed? The major change / improvement has been Davies and Merrit. Other than that, not much possession .. hustle and hard work..which obviously pays off. I will give Jack he Jacket and admit that the US did what they had to to win...but cyar ever say I supporting the US side - too damn arrogant for me sah! and doh tell me to get over Nov 19 (like I read in an earlier post). I was in the stadium that day and cried just as many were. You never entirely forget that 1st true love and 1st heartbreak....the country fell in love with the Strike Squad, could NEVER get over dat.
Frico, you are entitled to your opinion - but fella please know that you will get pung everytime.. with mess like that. For many of us on here, the priority is clear...
T&T - 1, Brazil - 2....anybody vs. the US - 3 .... is not hate or jealousy or any of that, but is like how yuh would feel about de man dat coasting on yuh, because he brushin de ting dat used to be/supposed to be yours.....yuh jes cyar like dah man!!
:beermug: :beermug:
Final prediction: Brazil 3 US 0
lol... good post.
kinda encapsulates my sentiments.. people need to relax with the rationale and let men hate in peace.
:devil:
Tell meh dis ting nah!
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Lifeisgood I understand all about why people doh like USA coz after 89 I hated the bastards more than any place on earth but I came to my senses.I honestly feel that it would be a great fillip for USA to beat Brasil on Sunday.
For too long CONCACAF been treated like the CINDERELLA of the football world,even Asia get treated better.I now back all CONCACAF teams no matter who they play,I even back Jamaica when they play outside of the CONCACAF.I want our teams and players to be taken seriously and that will happen when CONCACAF START BEATING UP TEAMS OUTSIDE THE REGION.I dont understand the hero worship that the South Americans get when man kick 2 good ball, while our players play their bollocks off and dont get anywhere.One day when we beating people regular we players will be accepted.Nuff said!
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sounds familiar huh?
http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=ap-wcup-southafrica-security&prov=ap&type=lgns (http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=ap-wcup-southafrica-security&prov=ap&type=lgns)
World Cup: Enjoy South Africa, just be smart
By SIMON HAYDON, AP Sports Writer
16 minutes ago
JOHANNESBURG (AP) - There are times you could mistake South Africa for heaven on earth.
The place has stunning wildlife, a climate ranging from pleasantly warm in winter to sizzling hot in summer, dramatic coastlines and cities that can be nonstop fun. Its food and wine rank among the best in the world. And in less than a year, it will become the first African nation to host the World Cup, one of the planet’s greatest sporting events.
Yet an aura of fear hangs over the country.
The white minority lives, for the most part, in opulence behind high walls with electrified fences. Much of the black majority lives in townships, crowded and impoverished legacies of apartheid where violent street crime is common.
Security has become a major concern for the hundreds of thousands of visitors planning to make the journey next year. Is it safe? Will I be robbed, or worse?
The answer is, unfortunately, not simple. Parts of South Africa are certainly dangerous and to be avoided. I received conflicting advice on a daily basis while in South Africa for the Confederations Cup soccer tournament, a warm-up for the 32-nation World Cup next year.
“Don’t worry about going jogging, it’s safe. Just don’t wear an iPod,” was the confusing tip from a young, white South African talking about the safety of the leafy streets in Johannesburg’s northern suburbs, for many years the preserve of wealthy whites.
Another young white man advised against taking a 10-minute stroll to the local shopping mall from my green and pleasant guest house, protected by a 24-hour guard and high walls like every other house in the city’s northern suburbs.
“And yes, that fencing on top of the wall is electrified. And the current’s switched on at night,” one guard said.
Even the Johannesburg Tourism Company’s official map, handed out to journalists and visitors, bears the following advice.
“Don’t drive at night in unfamiliar areas … the northern suburbs of Johannesburg are easy to drive in and explore. However newcomers should avoiding driving south of Braamfontein into the old city center as it is extremely crowded, making it easy for smash and grab thieves to operate.”
Help! Where’s Braamfontein? And am I south of it?
This was the problem facing four British men who flew in to South Africa to watch rugby last week, hired a car at Johannesburg airport and headed off for the opulent suburb of Sandton, using a satellite navigation system.
Unfortunately, they ended up in southern Johannesburg and found themselves robbed at gunpoint.
But would those four men have been any safer if they’d wandered into parts of any major city? Probably not. Also, they were four of 15,000 rugby fans currently enjoying the time of their lives in South Africa.
Marcel Desailly, the Ghanaian born ex-captain of the France’s soccer team, is a seasoned international traveler. “At the end of the day, Johannesburg is like any big city, London, Paris or New York,” he told The Associated Press. “There are ghettos but there’s really no reason to be worried. All the places will be secure next year. It’s a key moment for Africa.”
While South Africa’s black population is emerging from decades of oppression, the country’s white population—several million strong—appears to be confused about just what kind of nation they’re inhabiting.
On a sunny June day, it’s just plain crazy to think that the broad streets outside my hotel are dangerous. In the nearby mall, even with beggars plying their trade nearby, trendy restaurants are busy.
But after a fine meal in a Kosher vegetarian pizza restaurant, the streets are empty as I walk back to the hotel and I suddenly feel not quite so comfortable. As a journalist, I’ve covered wars and urban strife and I’ve never been comfortable with deserted streets. They often conceal danger and ordinary folks keep out of the way.
I’m relieved when I bump into a few colleagues also on their way home. Safety here is definitely to be found in numbers.
The atmosphere is a reminder that robbers are to be found late at night on the streets in cars, looking for lone victims. But precautions you’d take in any other major city will keep you safe. Police and private security firms are to be seen everywhere, and World Cup organizers will be flooding the streets of cities hosting matches next year.
Still, does that mean South African whites are right to be fearful, if not paranoid? Or are they victims of their own mentality, living behind psychological as well as physical walls in the cosseted surroundings they’ve enjoyed for more than a century?
Certainly, South Africa is working furiously to transform itself from the closed and brutal apartheid society it was famous for up to the 1990s, into the garrulous and lively country it wants to be. The chaos of transformation is to be seen everywhere, especially in the frantic buildup to the 2010 World Cup.
At Johannesburg’s Oliver Tambo Airport, the terminals offer tourists a glimpse of the nation’s unrivaled beauty, with images everywhere of elephants and lions, seascapes and mountain ranges. The check-in desks, unfortunately, tell a different story. Baggage still needs to be wrapped in film to keep it from being ransacked and thousands pack into a space meant for a few hundred every time a few international departures coincide.
Outside Johannesburg and Cape Town, the fear factor plummets, even though I spotted a sign on the road from Johannesburg to the mining city of Rustenburg reading, “Do not stop: beware carjackings.” Small impoverished townships dot the countryside, remnants of blacks being forced out of their homes and into places where they would not be seen by the ruling whites, and crime around these areas is high.
But the townships are no longer the hovels they once were. The tin roofs and walls still exist in some places, but more often than not they have been replaced by brick, and transformed into small, but permanent homes offering running water and electricity. Successive governments since apartheid collapsed have pumped vast sums of money into developing the townships.
In what was a township but is now the bustling, messy and garrulous city of Soweto a few miles from Johannesburg, the waiter Massi serves me a huge steak served with pap (maize meal), smiling as my female colleague chomps at a large piece of meat. “She is Ugimba, lady who likes to eat a lot,” he smiles, paying her the ultimate compliment.
Most residents of Soweto, the former home of South African giants Nelson Mandela and Archbishop Desmond Tutu, make the journey to Johannesburg every day to work, much of the time in businesses run by whites who still appear to hold the purse strings of the economy despite the end of apartheid almost 20 years ago.
It’s still a common sight to see black house servants walking with little white children, an uncomfortable reminder of South Africa’s racist past for some but not, apparently, for the servants’ employers.
Next June, all South Africans will welcome the world to their nation.
For vast majority of visitors, it’ll be the holiday of a lifetime. An unhappy few will fall victim to crimes that are a symbol of the country’s battle to overcome odds that once looked overwhelming but today don’t appear quite so daunting.
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Spectators wearin sweater, jackets, toques, and gloves.
This will be the first World Cup in history (I believe) where the teams will be playing in such temperatures.
How will it affect the balance of play?
Do the European teams have a bigger advantage?
Argentina 78 ??
Confed Cup gives first taste of winter World Cup - USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/soccer/2009-06-27-3917156037_x.htm)
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Spectators wearin sweater, jackets, toques, and gloves.
This will be the first World Cup in history (I believe) where the teams will be playing in such temperatures.
How will it affect the balance of play?
Do the European teams have a bigger advantage?
Argentina 78 ??
Confed Cup gives first taste of winter World Cup - USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/soccer/2009-06-27-3917156037_x.htm)
Well....cold wedder does have a way of keepin' crime dong so dem two-wrists and dem go be safe.
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Hmmm if U.S win tommorow I still dont beleieve it will change the status of football in dat country..
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USA....USA....USA!!!.....
Bourbon ya owe mih!!... ;D
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USA....USA....USA!!!.....
Bourbon ya owe mih!!... ;D
Cash it in when yuh ready. ;)
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In the USA vs. Brasil matchup today - pulling for a 4-0 thumping by Brasil and inflicting Joga Bonito on the US ... but pulling for the Americans in the Sean Goldman case.
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USA-Brazil preview
Sixty thousand-plus enthusiasts will descend on Ellis Park tomorrow. Some will be there in support of USA, some Brazil, while others, neutrals, will be there simply to revel in a charming, infectious atmosphere, to blow their vuvuzelas and enjoy what promises to be a fitting conclusion to a memorable FIFA Confederations Cup.
After 90 minutes - or perhaps extra time or penalties - either a new name will be inscribed on the trophy, or Brazil will surpass France and become the outright record winners of the competition.
The match - USA-Brazil (http://www.livesoccertv.com/match/80886/usa-vs-brazil/)
Ellis Park, Johannesburg, 28 June, 20:30 (local time)
USA and Brazil may be situated on the Americas, but they are worlds apart in terms of tradition and success in the game. Futebol is deeply ingrained in life and culture in the latter, and A Seleção have won an unprecedented five FIFA World Cups™. Soccer is still an emerging sport in the US, whose men's team are yet to lift a global trophy.
Boasting the likes of Maicon, Kaka, Robinho and Luis Fabiano, it came as little surprise that Brazil inflicted a 3-0 defeat on a USA side whose biggest name, Landon Donovan, plays his club football in his homeland. Much, however, has changed in the short time since.
USA overwhelmed an on-form Egypt to snatch a place in the last four, before inflicting a first defeat in 36 games on tournament favourites Spain. Meantime, a Brazil team that had been exciting and ruthlessly effective en route to the semi-finals laboured against South Africa, squeezing through courtesy of substitute Daniel Alves's late free-kick. Consequently, Dunga and Bob Bradley foresee a very different reunion as the neutrals anticipate a thrilling conclusion to this wonderful tournament.
Key battle
Landon Donovan vs. Kaka
The pair, their respective side's major celebrities, have radiated without reaching their scintillating best so far in South Africa. Both are quick, direct dribblers with a penchant for scoring goals, and could turn this game with one flash of brilliance.
Looking back
USA 1-2 Brazil a.e.t, 23 July 2003, CONCACAF Gold Cup semi-final, Miami
The American fans were counting down the seconds. A solitary goal from Carlos Bocanegra, their current captain, had them on the verge of a place in the final. However, Kaka's 89th-minute equaliser, the first USA had conceded in 600 minutes, since Adriano's goal earned Brazil a 1-0 success in a FIFA Confederations Cup game one month earlier, took the content into extra time, in which it was settled by a Diego penalty.
The stat
200 - The number of victories Brazil moved on to in FIFA men's competitions by beating South Africa 1-0. During these, they have achieved a win-rate of over 65 per cent in 61 tournaments and slightly more than 300 matches.
Did you know?
USA's record appearant Cobi Jones had a short spell with Brazilian side Vasco da Gama in 1996. Brazil's all-time leading marksman Pele spent three seasons at New York Cosmos, helping them win the North American Soccer League title in 1977.
The quotes
"We've achieved great results in the past, but have never won a competition of this importance. To win a tournament that included Brazil, Spain, Italy and Egypt would be amazing for us, and would give us a lot of confidence to return to South Africa for the World Cup," USA coach Bob Bradley.
"USA are a great side. Just because we've already beaten them this tournament doesn't mean we'll do it again. They played very well against Spain. It will be a different game and we know we'll have to work very hard," Brazil forward Robinho.
Dunga: We respect the US.
For Carlos Dunga, Brazil's 3-0 defeat of the USA in the group stage of this competition has no bearing whatsoever on the meeting of the sides tomorrow in the final of the FIFA Confederations Cup South Africa 2009. He is even less concerned with the countries' head-to-head record, even if it shows an impressive 14 wins for Brazil from their 15 official fixtures. What the coach is interested in, however, is repeating his oft-quoted belief that "football is about neither the past nor the future".
It is a philosophy that sums up Dunga to perfection. All that concerns him right now is the threat that will be posed by the USA at Ellis Park in Johannesburg tomorrow evening - a match, the coach told FIFA.com, that has no relation whatsoever to the meeting of the sides ten days ago in Tshwane/Pretoria. "That's in the past now. If you carefully study the USA's opening two defeats here, you'll see that. They were playing well against Italy until they had a player sent off, while against us, they conceded in the opening minutes, and that unhinged them. I mean how could you not seriously respect a side that, following two losses, reacted in the way the USA did against Egypt and the overwhelming favourites Spain? You don't do something like that without deserving merit. That result showed enormous character."
Those stellar performances by Bob Bradley's charges against the African and European champions have clearly not gone unnoticed by Brazil. Though unwilling to talk in detail or single out individual USA players, Dunga was fulsome in his praise of his opponents' discipline: "What's struck me the most about them is that they're very obedient tactically and they manage to maintain a consistency of performance for the full 90 minutes."
I'm expecting a game with a lot more nerves than the group-phase one, and as a consequence we'll need to be more patient. In the first match we had the good fortune to score early and hopefully we can do that again.
Brazil coach Carlos Dunga before the final with the US.
"What's more, they're very dangerous when they counter-attack, as we all saw in the semi against Spain," says the man who has been at the helm of the Canarinho since August 2006. "This will be another game in which we'll need to find the balance between defence and attack that has been characteristic of this team. If I've learned anything from all my years in football, it's that without that balance a team won't get very far. It's necessary to have some very industrious players, the type we in Brazil call 'piano carriers', to do the hard work in defence, win back possession, etc. That's why individuals like Gilberto Silva and Felipe Melo are so important in our system, as they can free up all the talent we have up front, for example," says Dunga.
For the captain of Brazil's world title-winning side from 1994, there is another factor ever-present when the Seleção take to the field: pressure. "There's no denying that for many people, Brazil must always win. However, in football there are no longer clear favourites," says the 45-year-old, adding: "I'm expecting a game with a lot more nerves than the group-phase one, and as a consequence we'll need to be more patient. In the first match we had the good fortune to score early and hopefully we can do that again. That said, the USA have a different rhythm about them now."
After more than three intense weeks working together, following on from their 2010 FIFA World Cup South Africa™ qualifiers against Uruguay and Paraguay, Dunga feels there is very little more he can say to his charges. According to him, the team-talk before the final will be limited to a few reminders about positioning and specific details on some members of the opposition. Everything else, his men are already clear about. "We've spent days and days developing a system for our game, so it wouldn't make sense now to spend hours explaining things. Everything I had to say has already been said," the coach insists. "We all know what we have to do and, above all, we know the motivation that playing in an international final brings. We're ready."
Bradley: Our second chance.
USA coach Bob Bradley, criticised early on at the FIFA Confederations Cup after two straight losses and six conceded goals, was riding a wave of praise after his last game out, and second on the trot. Pressurising Spain early in an eventual 2-0 semi-final win, his significant tactical acumen was on display for all to see. But, as FIFA.com found out in an exclusive interview, Bradley expects a totally different game when his young, eager Americans take on superpowers Brazil on Sunday in their first-ever global final.
"The Brazilians are a different challenge than Spain," the former Chicago Fire, New York MetroStars and Chivas USA coach told FIFA.com on the eve of the final in Johannesburg. "It's not easy or instructive to compare the two. Spain, with their passing ability and the way they find seams and dictate play, are the best in the world. Brazil are a special team too, though, able to come from deeper positions. Their understanding is incredible and they can combine devastatingly with speed over long distances."
Bradley and his men found out, the hard way, just how fast Brazil can be over long distances and just how unforgiving they can be when presented with opposition errors. The 3-0 loss the Americans suffered in Pretoria in the first round was a lesson, and the no-nonsense Bradley is eager not to make the same mistakes twice.
"We weren't pleased with the way we started when we met Brazil in the first round," the coach said, referring to the tentative start in which they conceded from a set-piece inside seven minutes. "We started slowly and you just can't do that against Brazil."
A second mistake, when DaMarcus Beasley misplayed an offensive corner-kick, brought with it a lightning counter-attack that began with Kaka and was eventually finished by Robinho. "We weren't shocked by the speed of their response to that mistake," added Bradley, a former USA U-23 coach. "They did the same thing to Italy when they played. When you make a mistake against Brazil, you are going to be punished no matter who you are. They move with such pace. We respect that, but we have learned some lessons from that first game."
USA coach Bob Bradley: We need to step on the field and play our game, an aggressive, smart game with energy and speed.
Smart start needed
Critical mistakes are something Bradley acknowledges can not always be controlled, but he is eager to come out with a different spirit and more energy this time out. "We need to step on the field and play our game, an aggressive, smart game with energy and speed. We did that after our first two losses and we beat Egypt and Spain when we came out right."
Bradley will be without one of his top players, his son Michael, as the holding midfielder was sent off with two minutes to go against Spain for a reckless lunge. Even though he admits that the situation is not ideal, Bradley senior, who has seen three of his charges ejected from games here in South Africa, believes in the collective ability of his team to rise above the setback.
"You have to make adjustments, you have to adapt," he said. "Big games, like the one tomorrow, are when players get the chance to step up and make a difference. And it's not only the players you expect. In our team everyone is important. I am confident that the man who takes Michael's place will perform in the way we expect, and fight hard for the cause."
He stops short of talking about revenge for the earlier loss, but Bradley is obviously keen to set the record straight this time out. "We have another chance to play Brazil, and to step on the field and play the game we know we can play. Second chances are rare, but we have one tomorrow."
SOURCE: FIFA.COM
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Sorry guys, I was getting a lot of request for a thread for this game especially since a concacaf team is in the final.
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not really fair there Sam, because Marissa Miller is smoking hot - but Brasilian girls just win in all categories.
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Key battle
Landon Donovan vs. Kaka
aaaaahhh boy Bourbon ah really holding back.....ah tempted bad, bad :-X :devil: ;D
Sorry guys, I was getting a lot of request for a thread for this game especially since a concacaf team is in the final.
You get plenty requests from Zeppo??.... :devil:
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South Africa plays the way I wish trinidad could play...fit, fast and extremely well-organized and coached.
When they are defending, is 10 men behind the ball, et when they are on the attack, they atatck in numbers.
Terrific.
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South Africa plays the way I wish trinidad could play...fit, fast and extremely well-organized and coached.
When they are defending, is 10 men behind the ball, et when they are on the attack, they atatck in numbers.
Terrific.
An Australian commentator, in talking about the US chances today and the overall progress in the last 2 decades said earlier that anyone could defend with 10 men at the edge of the box and not concede a goal - the real test was whether or not they could move forward effectively with purpose, skill and imagination.
I was thinking, wow - the same could be said about TT.
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Well, here's where your theory don't hold water. In 1994 two out of the two concacaf teams advanced past the group stage. In fact, one of those teams even came out group winners beating out Italy, Republic of Ireland and Norway to top the group. The other team pulled off a major upset by defeating Columbia in what turned out to be a national tragedy for Columbian football. Now, wouldn't it stand to reason, (using your levitated argument, of course) that for the next Tournament, when they increased the field by 8 teams, that concacaf should have gotten at least 2 of them slots? How come they only got 1 when 1 is what they would have gotten anyway? How come "our" uncle jack wasn't able to use concacaf's success rate to bargain for more than just an obligatory slot in an expansion tournament? Please transpose your theory and explain that for me.
Because when they expand the World Cup they generally look to distribute the places according to the size of each confederation. For example, Africa and Europe are bigger confederations with more member nations than CONCACAF, so they were given more places than we were.
BTW, I really think that Africa has gotten lucky by hanging onto all their spots for so long. They have had five of them since the WC was expanded to 32 teams in 1998. And since then they have had only 1 team out of 5 advance from their group at each WC: in 1998 it was Nigeria, in 2002 it was Senegal and in 2006 it was Ghana.
A 20% advancement rate in three successive World Cups is quite poor. Yet I have never heard any talk of them losing even a half place. On the contrary, there will actually be 6 African teams at the World Cup next summer because of South Africa's automatic qualification as the host nation. Let's see what they can do to justify those numbers.
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I can't wait for the big game! We're the obvious underdog but after making it this far we've got nothing to lose. I expect to see a great game.
Now here's a little something to help get everyone in the mood!
Instant Classic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqHWFT_6-sY)
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boom
SA 1 - Spain 0
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Dani Guiza x2 :o :o
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wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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definition of string up
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OMFG - bullet from the Banfa Banfa
Mphela from what? 40 yards? ... with almost the last kick of the game?
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WHAT AH F(^*%&%%IN GOOOOOOOOOOAAAALLLLLLAAAAAASOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
how yuh think them people who was streaming out of the stadium feeling now? .... from the most boring game of the entire tournament to probably the best goal of the tournament so far. All them dour faces change quick!!
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ah man bawl spain almost on d plane back to LISBON...well yes dem american f*&^ing dotish wen dey ready yes
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ah man bawl spain almost on d plane back to LISBON...well yes dem american f*&^ing dotish wen dey ready yes
lol, is Alexi Lalas ... what yuh expect? ::)
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ah wonder if usa will run out in dis later
(http://www.onionbag.com/images/products2/10MJUSAHSS0809.jpg)
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I can't wait for the big game! We're the obvious underdog but after making it this far we've got nothing to lose. I expect to see a great game.
Now here's a little something to help get everyone in the mood!
Instant Classic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqHWFT_6-sY)
nothing to win either :rotfl: :rotfl:
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ah wonder if usa will run out in dis later
(http://www.onionbag.com/images/products2/10MJUSAHSS0809.jpg)
that is wicked.
Imagine the Soca Warriors version with Machel on it and it does come with a free rag
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game on Gayelle the channel at 2:15pm live. they have a live feed on jumptv too http://www.jumptv.com/en/channel/gayellethechannel/ sign in or create an account
http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=41826&part=sports
http://www.atdhe.net/7685/watch-usa-vs-brazil
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Bfana Bfana win??!!.....serious??....all yuh lie!!!....
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that is wicked.
Imagine the Soca Warriors version with Machel on it and it does come with a free rag
steups..... what a dis to Micheal
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Bfana Bfana win??!!.....serious??....all yuh lie!!!....
nah - Spain win 3-2 in extra time.
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Bfana Bfana win??!!.....serious??....all yuh lie!!!....
nah - Spain win 3-2 in extra time.
wow!!....not SA!!.....big up....well done!! de vuvuzelas nearly confuse the Spanish.... :devil: :beermug:
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I am sorry that i missed that match
well at least SA gave dem a real run for their money :applause: :applause:
ok, all ah allya, find allya seats for the Brasil vs USA match
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Hoping for a cricket score!
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and USA take the lead.....
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:-X :-X
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In the USA vs. Brasil matchup today - pulling for a 4-0 thumping by Brasil and inflicting Joga Bonito on the US ... but pulling for the Americans in the Sean Goldman case.
"Sahker" 1 Joga Bonito 0
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still hoping for a cricket score
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US Tactics...slow the play down, quick counter especially down the right side, NOTE: Dempsy winning headers against the Brazil backline.
Brazil Tactics...attack down the right side with Maicon and wne you can switch the play to either Kaka or Robinho cutting inside for the right footed shot.
Physically Brazil can't match, technically we know Brazil wins...it's a case of who wants it more and have more to prove. Brazil will have to be careful of US' speed on the counter. Brazil need to find a way to break down the US down the middle of the pitch.
Enjoy the day
Richard G.
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In the USA vs. Brasil matchup today - pulling for a 4-0 thumping by Brasil and inflicting Joga Bonito on the US ... but pulling for the Americans in the Sean Goldman case.
"Sahker" 1 Joga Bonito 0
ah feel Zeppo break all over heself :devil: :devil:
:-[
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i want to see how long donovan go last, he real running all over d place
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Donavan working his ass off this us team is for real all them men battling .......... lawd i hope we national team watching them lazy mufas like schillaci and them men working hard
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2-0 USA- OH SHIT
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donavon bad like shit
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nah i must be dreaming :o
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Dunga:
(http://www.alifebe.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/trump-youre-fired.jpg)
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still hoping for a cricket score
Dreams do come true!
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LOL ..... woooo - World Beaters
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u dont c a better counter attack than that trust mi. text book
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2-0 USA- OH SHIT
Donavan ent easy oui :o
he pushin to get sub or wha ;D
is pepper for dem brazilians today
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In the USA vs. Brasil matchup today - pulling for a 4-0 thumping by Brasil and inflicting Joga Bonito on the US ... but pulling for the Americans in the Sean Goldman case.
"Sahker" 1 Joga Bonito 0
ah feel Zeppo break all over heself :devil: :devil:
:-[
Well he mussbe rell glad now because the score is now:
"Sahker" 2 Joga Bonito 0
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is there any foreign policy against banning Zeppo's IP from this board?
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Dunga:
(http://www.alifebe.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/trump-youre-fired.jpg)
Borse you might be joking, but this might turn out to be true.
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tactical football
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this is d sweet thing now, brazil has to attack, opening up themselves 4 more counter attacks
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this is d sweet thing now, brazil has to attack, opening up themselves 4 more counter attacks
someone say cricket score :rotfl:
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tactical football
'Rope a Dope' tactics or what
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u dont c a better counter attack than that trust mi. text book
Nah, ah eh goh lie as one of the US's biggest haters.....ah have to admit dat was friggin sweet!!!....and dais just appreciating good football eh...also, de US keeper is very good he pull off 2 vital saves minutes before the second goal....
Ah speechless...Bourbon boy....ah goh keep trying ah thing....GO USA!!....GO USA!!!...
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them brazilians pushing altidore to d ground easily
tactical football
'Rope a Dope' tactics or what
aye as ah c rope ah dope i remember ah does use that to describe what some teams try to play against barca. put this in the SW dictionary
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frico, yuh ahead of de curve.
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USA will have a field day with andres santos and luisao in defence. Brazil is mih side but i cyah see dem winning today with dat shit brand. all de men who bigging up ramires, i hope allyuh realize he is not a creative player, he has speed and is ah hustler but i cant see him scoring or creating any chances.
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everytime Brasil almost score, the US coming down and showing them how to finish
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the ref calling a good match so far
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brazil need to bring on pato for ramires and dani alves for andre santos
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Dunga:
(http://www.alifebe.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/trump-youre-fired.jpg)
Borse you might be joking, but this might turn out to be true.
I not joking.
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i thought donovan was amutant but he is a mere human he start 2 look tired. but half time go let him recharge
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i thought donovan was amutant but he is a mere human he start 2 look tired. but half time go let him recharge
5 hour energy - the stimulant of champions
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Go USA ....hope this is building a good case for 4 spots in 2014
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I cyah see dem winning today with dat shit brand.
I now thinking the same thing......
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somehow...i not feeling as bad about them 2 3-0 we get from the states anymore.....
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USA 2 vs Brazil 0. Backs and forwards but goals win matches.
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Uh Oh!!!!
Jeeezzzz....
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Brasil - 10 shots
USA - 4 shots
Howard saving day armen ;)
whooooops...........brasil wid a score :o
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Nuff cuss must be pass in that lockerroom.
2-1
Goal Fabiano.
Will the US still go forward, or is it all hands on deck for 45 minutes?
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"Sahker" 2 Joga Bonito 1
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GOLAZO LUIS FABIANO..GAME BACK ON!!!
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What station the game is showing on??
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What station the game is showing on??
CBC in Canada
try here
http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=41826&part=sports
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charlie davis decision making really poor at times
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replay angle showed the ball over the line.
shouldve been 2-2
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Is a Fracoment Goal!
Beginning to become 1-way traffic now.
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Brasil geh tief :o
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80 million pounds 4 ah playa and this sport still arguging if d ball cross d line or not steupsssssssssss
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replay angle showed the ball over the line.
shouldve been 2-2
I saw it from the moment it happened because Howard was already behind the line....and den the replay showed I was right.....chups...another good reason why some method of technology needs to be used for situations like this....ah find FIFA sticking!!!....
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Dani Alves in to make a difference.
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If USA wins this game. Replays on goal line decisions will become a reality before the next WC.
But Dempsey almost make it 3.
Elano and Dani Alves on. Tempo will increase!!
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enter d barca man.................ok ah back to supporting usa
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Elano in to increase the quotient of Man City Players on the field.
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ah know harkes is a ah bottom eh but ah wasn't expecting dat from de other fellah, even after dey show de replay, which left no doubt dat the ball was over de line, dem fellahs still wouldn't admit it was ah goal nah.
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I eh go lie US commentators does make yuh not like dey country.
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Great save by Howard.
Ronaldo woulda score that. ;D
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Great save by Howard.
Ronaldo woulda score that. ;D
they doh make uniforms in XXL.
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YEESSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!
FAABIAAAANNOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
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it just turn midnight for Cinderalla
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"Sahker" 2 "Joga Bonito" 2
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somthing we never credit the brazilians for and as i reflect, i realise its a very common feature in their players. they are very quick. very quick over short distances
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I eh go lie US commentators does make yuh not like dey country.
Fuh real.
Dem commentators eh have ah clue how to commentate a football match at all.
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USA!!!!! USA!!! USA!!!....Bourbon yuh see how ah sacrificing eh!!!.... :devil: ;D
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I eh go lie US commentators does make yuh not like dey country.
Fuh real.
Dem commentators eh have have ah clue how to commentate a football match at all.
What de hell all yuh expect??!!.....dey eh know one arse bout de game!!!...chups!!
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order has been restored
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I eh go lie US commentators does make yuh not like dey country.
Fuh real.
Dem commentators eh have have ah clue how to commentate a football match at all.
What de hell all yuh expect??!!.....dey eh know one arse bout de game!!!...chups!!
what is ah outside back?
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I eh go lie US commentators does make yuh not like dey country.
Fuh real.
Dem commentators eh have have ah clue how to commentate a football match at all.
What de hell all yuh expect??!!.....dey eh know one arse bout de game!!!...chups!!
lol .. everybody see the ball cross the line on the replay - even Harkes!! .. next man bawl he not convinced. LOL
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what is ah outside back?
That is where yuh does put yuh grill.
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order has been restored
NOW...
Order is restored!!!!
GOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!
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in dey cuddahs munt
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total 90. brazil really strong in the air
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"Sahker" 2 "Joga Bonito 3....
"Sahker"!
:devil:
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Dunga still fired doh.
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;D ;D ;D
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I jess see below the screen a line streaming across - you can now tune back in to Baseball and Nascar
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good game USA...hard luck
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Bourbon yuh owe mih!!!!.... :devil:
USA
USA
USA
USA.... ;D
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I is a hater eh.
But why Clark still on the field?
The man only pulling stones
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Dunga still fired doh.
at first i ddint like dunga but he doing his job, without juan in de middle and no left back brazil will have problems. Once he figure out the left back scene, brazil ready for de world cup.
i still have doubts about gilberto silva, i prefer kleberson and hopefully ronaldinho will be back to replace ramires otherwise i prefer elano over ramires.
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ah feel Zeppo break all over heself :devil: :devil:
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too soon? LOL :rotfl:
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Excellent!
Now to watch the West Indies win their game too.
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commentator say brazil wasting time, who dont do dat...dem is real idiot, i eh go lie.
at least dem eh go be boasting too much saying dey are a top contender to win the world cup, although dey will say dem is one of the contenders.
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so close yet so far :rotfl:.good comeback by brazil.
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ah feel Zeppo break all over heself :devil: :devil:
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too soon? LOL :rotfl:
I believe the word you lookin for is premature...lmao :rotfl: :rotfl:
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well I now thinking - between this result and the coup in Honduras, we (Soca Warriors) mightn't even need to win any more games. We could get in the 4th place playoff versus the South American team, and if US could do this to Brasil - imagine what we will do to Argentina - yes, Argentina. LOL
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hard luck US/Zeppo, no shame in all yuh game at all, well done
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i doh know why allyuh gettin excited over de honduras scene, all dat mean dey will play their games in ah neutral venue if push come to shove.
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I eh go lie US commentators does make yuh not like dey country.
Fuh real.
Dem commentators eh have have ah clue how to commentate a football match at all.
What de hell all yuh expect??!!.....dey eh know one arse bout de game!!!...chups!!
what is ah outside back?
De number of men does call dem wingbacks here, daiz de last ting to complain bout.
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The most annoying thing about the commentators, is that they does only grudgingly give men credit.
When the US score, is because of the excellen play.
When Brazil score, is because the defense let them down.
Bottom Line:
Great game by the US, better 2nd half by Brazil.
Tim Howard is a beast
The counter-attack 2nd goal was excellent.
Brazil score 4 and win 3-2
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Is the damn vuvuzela that cause the US to lose!
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big side is big side
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aaaaahhhhh yes.....the football universe is back in order again....talk bout a game of 2 halves....
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ah know harkes is a ah bottom eh but ah wasn't expecting dat from de other fellah, even after dey show de replay, which left no doubt dat the ball was over de line, dem fellahs still wouldn't admit it was ah goal nah.
If it was USA that scored it, they woulda talk ah lot of sh*t. I am sooo happy Brasil win.
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so we beating the usa in trinidad !!! :beermug:
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Jack Warner sighting
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hard luck US...tim howard, onyewu and demerit reallll fight the game. brazil just had too much quality today...i ent sold on andre santos. felipe melo is a beast in the middle, arsenal should buy him for real
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hard luck US...tim howard, onyewu and demerit reallll fight the game. brazil just had too much quality today...i ent sold on andre santos. felipe melo is a beast in the middle, arsenal should buy him for real
andre santos, kleber are goats, marcelo is marginally better but he is still ah goat....if i was de coach i would try dani alves as left back
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Alves lookin like a serious weedist boy
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I jess see below the screen a line streaming across - you can now tune back in to Baseball and Nascar
:devil:
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what's up with half the Brasil team wearing the jerseys backwards at the tropy presentation and medal ceremony?
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To much Kaka in dey american cudder munt! Kaka played ah borse game today!
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Any team dat hold dey nerve an run at d states will give them ah headache, add brazil class an' this result was not d least bit surprising.
but ah note for we warriors, d US deadly on d counter they proved it emphatically today, Latas, hope yuh watchin
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Any team dat hold dey nerve an run at d states will give them ah headache, add brazil class an' this result was not d least bit surprising.
but ah note for we warriors, d US deadly on d counter they proved it emphatically today, Latas, hope yuh watchin
exactly..we've put them under pressure both times we played under mats..right after the 2nd half..very likely had we taken our chances the games could have been different...
the US however have pacy players and play to their strengths..howard is a big big keeper tho...
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well done yanks..you made concacaf proud..
now were of to tackle the caribbean juggernuts..
St Kitts. :beermug:
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I jess see below the screen a line streaming across - you can now tune back in to Baseball and Nascar
so what ah missing here? oh wait, wait dis mean dat football (soccer) is not de biggest sport in america...what ah revelation....fabiano pull out robihno, de man miss from inches yes...anyway ah going outside now and walkabout wid meh Brazil jersey.
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I jess see below the screen a line streaming across - you can now tune back in to Baseball and Nascar
so what ah missing here? oh wait, wait dis mean dat football (soccer) is not de biggest sport in america...what ah revelation....fabiano pull out robihno, de man miss from inches yes...anyway ah going outside now and walkabout wid meh Brazil jersey.
mih neighbors was making real noise about de usa winning dis game, so i about to go walkabout in mih brazil jersey.
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To much Kaka in dey american cudder munt! Kaka played ah borse game today!
true.....anyway congratulations Brazil,hard luck America,I like the direction you'll heading,playing your B team in the Gold Cup and all..........well we'll be playing St Kitts soon
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is alright brazil is just like a low cho european team. the brother who made that comment must be eating he ras clat bumcy now
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ah wonder if usa will run out in dis later
(http://www.onionbag.com/images/products2/10MJUSAHSS0809.jpg)
that is wicked.
Imagine the Soca Warriors version with Machel on it and it does come with a free rag
Well, Howard moon walked into his goal a couple of times
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The most annoying thing about the (some) commentators, is that they does only grudgingly give men credit.
When the US score, is because of the excellen play.
When Brazil score, is because the defense let them down.
Bottom Line:
Great game by the US, better 2nd half by Brazil.
Tim Howard is a beast
The counter-attack 2nd goal was excellent.
Brazil score 4 and win 3-2
Ditto. Doh geh me started on this, nah.
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i like this.
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total 90. brazil really strong in the air
Except when defending corners.
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Hear nah......I tell my brethrin dat last nite....Brazil eh taking no licks from no America...dem eh go be allowed to re-enter de country.Buh I forget clean i had a function to go to and it eh have no tv around...me and my nex football hungry brethrin trying all how to find out wha going on.
So i dealing with de mixer...trying to load a man track.......gone in de back looking for some water.......remember i eh have no money on my phone to find out. However i was taking solace in de fact that nobody eh call or text me to find out if i still good and ting......so i say tings cool still. Den......it started.
A man tell me brazil now come back and make it 3-2...i say...WDMC? In wha universe? How de ass America score 2 on brazil? He say game eh done yet..i say nah.....whoever text you dey gone and give you de Spain-South Africa score...dahs madness........I refusing to believe it. De man swearing to all kinda god dat he eh lying...and i pondering....cyar focus on eating.....buh i distract myself with some liming and ole talk cuz i say nah.....Brazil had to win....if it was any different somebody woulda think to call me.
Reach home....eh change clothes nuttin....gone on livescore.......and just was in shock. Buh....all's well that ends well.......
Brownsugar dearest......I would like to sincerley extend my appreciation to you for your understanding in this regard...and as previously mentioned....any time you ready...feel free to cash it in. Appreciation would be even more heartfelt if near scares like this do not become commonplace please. But all in all thank you very very much for your utilizing of your blighting abilities against a team you bitterly hate. I understand it was of great emotional strain to you...and an open offer to make it up to you is available once within my human capabilities.
In closing:
:whew:
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Well, here's where your theory don't hold water. In 1994 two out of the two concacaf teams advanced past the group stage. In fact, one of those teams even came out group winners beating out Italy, Republic of Ireland and Norway to top the group. The other team pulled off a major upset by defeating Columbia in what turned out to be a national tragedy for Columbian football. Now, wouldn't it stand to reason, (using your levitated argument, of course) that for the next Tournament, when they increased the field by 8 teams, that concacaf should have gotten at least 2 of them slots? How come they only got 1 when 1 is what they would have gotten anyway? How come "our" uncle jack wasn't able to use concacaf's success rate to bargain for more than just an obligatory slot in an expansion tournament? Please transpose your theory and explain that for me.
Because when they expand the World Cup they generally look to distribute the places according to the size of each confederation. For example, Africa and Europe are bigger confederations with more member nations than CONCACAF, so they were given more places than we were.
BTW, I really think that Africa has gotten lucky by hanging onto all their spots for so long. They have had five of them since the WC was expanded to 32 teams in 1998. And since then they have had only 1 team out of 5 advance from their group at each WC: in 1998 it was Nigeria, in 2002 it was Senegal and in 2006 it was Ghana.
A 20% advancement rate in three successive World Cups is quite poor. Yet I have never heard any talk of them losing even a half place. On the contrary, there will actually be 6 African teams at the World Cup next summer because of South Africa's automatic qualification as the host nation. Let's see what they can do to justify those numbers.
You are now forcing me to question your basic level of understanding...you really havn't read and/or understood what I asked of you. Mybe it's the tears in yer eyes. Maybe th vuvzelas have you a little disoriented..........no need to go on any further with you. I know you know the statistics of a sport (like most americans do) and nothing else. That is why you cannot understand why Africa are still "holding on" to 5 slots. Well, hyou can "hold on" to the FOUR that Brazil SLOT past tim howard today. ...anyhoo, I see some men posted the EXACT thoughts that were going through my mind as I was on my way home from my weekend outing: ORDER HAS BEEN RESTORED!
As for john harkes and that other FOOL, delacamera: the man has practically commented on EVERY usa game since the 1980's and his knowledge, nuance and appreciation for this beautiful game has not grown, not one INCH. As a man previously posted, listening to them REALLY make yuh hate the usa even more than a man like me possibly can. I like how after the usa scored, they talkin' about how that will "force" Brazil to open up more and be vulnerable to counter-attacks. When the fack does Brazil ever park a bus in front of their fackin' goal?!?! Brazil was ALWAYS going to play an open fackin' game! If anything, Brazil takes big leads in games and then become bored and complacent, but they are hardly if ever, a team to sit back and defend, no matter what their lead is. Dem two only fass wit dey shit-talkin' self! I read somebody say that they then brought up how Brazil was wasting time......and what the FACK tim howard was doing every time the ball went out of play especially after they were up 2?! Boy, hul dem and all the usa waggonist cudder's munt eh! ORDER HAS BEEN RESTORED!
From what I see so far on the dvr, tim howard had a more than decent game. Too bad he couldn't pull out them heroics to help everton win a FA Cup.....but wait.....Chelsea was denied a goalazo that cleared the line in that game, too? Too bad for him then, too bad for him today. FIFA need to mandate goal-line technology and stop de BS. Anyhoo, for all the men that want to talk shit about Brazil, keep talkin' it. Run allyuh fackin' mouth. They not going to win EVERY tournament they play in, at least their fans don't expect them to. The world does. Their fans only want them to win every tournament they play in. It is impossible for Brazil to play game in, game out, with the style and flair that they used to. Too many teams take on too much of a defensive posture than to allow for a free-flowing game anymore, especially when they play against Brazil. Even so, look how Brazil was attackin and getting through them even with the desperate defending the usa does do. tim howard really did a great job today. Y'all still have that gold cup victory in '98 to talk about. However, ORDER HAS BEEN RESTORED.
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aaaaahhhhh yes.....the football universe is back in order again....talk bout a game of 2 halves....
that is right
is like two matches in one
Brasil was awesome in the second half
buh Howard :o de man save like ah boss
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Mighty effort by the US but class is class BRAZIL BRAZIL OH LAWD!
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80 million pounds 4 ah playa and this sport still arguging if d ball cross d line or not steupsssssssssss
dais so that FIFA controls the "Beautiful Game" and not the teams on the field
bobol talks
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80 million pounds 4 ah playa and this sport still arguging if d ball cross d line or not steupsssssssssss
dais so that FIFA controls the "Beautiful Game" and not the teams on the field
bobol talks
Yuh unnah-STAND?!?!
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Players win matches and order is restored. Hard luck USA you not ready, any body could defend with 10 men behind the ball. Next Time. Mr Bradley have some respect and stop blaming your players.
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GREAT job USA!!! Excellent achievement. Brazil had to fight for that win. But the USA have gain some VAST experience against some of the TOP teams in the world, Brazil (twice), Spain, Italy, etc. That is why the would ALWAYS be a step ahead in Concacaf and ALWAYS be a force to reckon with!! People could hate all they want, they did a FANTASTIC job to reach the final and make Brazil work they shocks off!!!
Trinidad on the other had is expected to beat the USA? It would not happen, cause they were much more prepared and experienced at international level. USA not ready a man say? Trinidad not READY!!!
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Seleçao comeback ends U.S. dream
Clint Dempsey sobbed as the Americans walked up to get their second-place medals, unable to hide the pain and the disappointment any longer.
The euphoria of knocking off Spain last week dissolved Sunday in the Confederations Cup final when Brazil unleashed its "Beautiful Game."
After dominating the five-time World Cup champions in the first half, the Americans were powerless as Brazil scored three goals in the final 45 minutes to rally for a 3-2 win.
(continue) (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/report?id=266850&cc=5739)
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Seleçao comeback ends U.S. dream
Clint Dempsey sobbed as the Americans walked up to get their second-place medals, unable to hide the pain and the disappointment any longer.
The euphoria of knocking off Spain last week dissolved Sunday in the Confederations Cup final when Brazil unleashed its "Beautiful Game."
After dominating the five-time World Cup champions in the first half, the Americans were powerless as Brazil scored three goals in the final 45 minutes to rally for a 3-2 win.
(continue) (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/report?id=266850&cc=5739)
Reality BITES!!! After joy, comes sorrow. After laughter comes cryter. Better luck next time. (whenever THAT happens.)
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Seleçao comeback ends U.S. dream
Clint Dempsey sobbed as the Americans walked up to get their second-place medals, unable to hide the pain and the disappointment any longer.
The euphoria of knocking off Spain last week dissolved Sunday in the Confederations Cup final when Brazil unleashed its "Beautiful Game."
After dominating the five-time World Cup champions in the first half, the Americans were powerless as Brazil scored three goals in the final 45 minutes to rally for a 3-2 win.
(continue) (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/report?id=266850&cc=5739)
Reality BITES!!! After joy, comes sorrow. After laughter comes cryter. Better luck next time. (whenever THAT happens.)
I'm proud of my team. They had a great tournament and made it all the way to the final, where they gave Brazil a run for their money. Sent the European Champions packing along the way, too.
Besides, I don't see what you're gloating about. T&T would have gotten dusted by every team in that tournament, and you know it. Try that one on for "reality".
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I'm proud of my team. They had a great tournament and made it all the way to the final, where they gave Brazil a run for their money. Sent the European Champions packing along the way, too.
Besides, I don't see what you're gloating about. T&T would have gotten dusted by every team in that tournament, and you know it. Try that one on for "reality".
The U.S. did well. It's as much as they could realistically expect from the crop of players that they have. When you compare the personnel, you have to say that they did well- and they finally got some help from the ref for a change lol...In the end the better team won, and yuh really have to tip your hat to Brazil for showing the patience & quality to claw back 3 (4 ;D) goals in 45 mins.
The glaring difference between a good solid outfit like the States and a World contender like Brazil is the manner in which they shift into 5th gear. At the highest level of US intensity, it's a gritty, scrappy leave it all on the field style of play where they're literally fighting for every yard...and where they are more likely to lose that shape and balance, and eventually get caught out (or run out of steam whichever comes first)...When a team like Brazil takes it up a notch (Spain as well though they were unlucky not to score), they are better are maintaining a fluid cohesive team performance with every thing executed at a higher level of intensity. There was a point in the game (roughly 10 mins before half time) where it was almost like Brazil said "ok let's take it up a notch"...and from that point on, they were playing at a higher level than the U.S. could deal with, and because it's more of a balanced collective shift in gears, they're still able maintain their shape and not get too caught out...they literally won everything in the middle of the field, to the point where B.Bradley had to take out Altidore, and crowd the midfield with Klejstan deep in the 2nd half to even have a shot at maintaining the ball and staying in the game.
That difference is a reflection of the quality (physically but more technically) of individual players...player for player, the States was outmatched...Hopefully for their sake, with time the U.S. will be able to fill their roster with higher quality players and be able to put games like yesterday's away. Until then, teams of the calibre of Brazil, Italy, Argentina etc will most times be "too good" for them...Still a step in the right direction for U.S. soccer nevertheless... no doubt about that- they should be quite proud of what they did in this tournament.
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ah know harkes is a ah bottom eh but ah wasn't expecting dat from de other fellah, even after dey show de replay, which left no doubt dat the ball was over de line, dem fellahs still wouldn't admit it was ah goal nah.
If it was USA that scored it, they woulda talk ah lot of sh*t. I am sooo happy Brasil win.
So what,Argentina won a WC on a handled ball and did not admit it until umteen years after,nobody eh redicule/hate them for that,why all yu don't cool yourselves.
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Seleçao comeback ends U.S. dream
Clint Dempsey sobbed as the Americans walked up to get their second-place medals, unable to hide the pain and the disappointment any longer.
The euphoria of knocking off Spain last week dissolved Sunday in the Confederations Cup final when Brazil unleashed its "Beautiful Game."
After dominating the five-time World Cup champions in the first half, the Americans were powerless as Brazil scored three goals in the final 45 minutes to rally for a 3-2 win.
(continue) (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/report?id=266850&cc=5739)
What game was this author watching? USA played well but brazil created alot more chances than them in the first half, but didnt score. USA got there two chances and took it. What i like Brazil for is that first half and second half...tactics aint change..same brand ah ball they play. only difference between first and second half was the brazilian goals and their intensity. nothing else!! :beermug:
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The U.S. did well. It's as much as they could realistically expect from the crop of players that they have. When you compare the personnel, you have to say that they did well- and they finally got some help from the ref for a change lol...In the end the better team won, and yuh really have to tip your hat to Brazil for showing the patience & quality to claw back 3 (4 ;D) goals in 45 mins.
The glaring difference between a good solid outfit like the States and a World contender like Brazil is the manner in which they shift into 5th gear. At the highest level of US intensity, it's a gritty, scrappy leave it all on the field style of play where they're literally fighting for every yard...and where they are more likely to lose that shape and balance, and eventually get caught out (or run out of steam whichever comes first)...When a team like Brazil takes it up a notch (Spain as well though they were unlucky not to score), they are better are maintaining a fluid cohesive team performance with every thing executed at a higher level of intensity. There was a point in the game (roughly 10 mins before half time) where it was almost like Brazil said "ok let's take it up a notch"...and from that point on, they were playing at a higher level than the U.S. could deal with, and because it's more of a balanced collective shift in gears, they're still able maintain their shape and not get too caught out...they literally won everything in the middle of the field, to the point where B.Bradley had to take out Altidore, and crowd the midfield with Klejstan deep in the 2nd half to even have a shot at maintaining the ball and staying in the game.
That difference is a reflection of the quality (physically but more technically) of individual players...player for player, the States was outmatched...Hopefully for their sake, with time the U.S. will be able to fill their roster with higher quality players and be able to put games like yesterday's away. Until then, teams of the calibre of Brazil, Italy, Argentina etc will most times be "too good" for them...Still a step in the right direction for U.S. soccer nevertheless... no doubt about that- they should be quite proud of what they did in this tournament.
Good assessment, kicker. I agree with all of it.
Brazil just has too many weapons and we could only hold out for so long. You see the difference when the teams go to the bench for subs; Brazil brings on Elano and Daniel Alves, while the USA brings on Jonathan Bornstein and Conor Casey. We definitely have slim pickens by comparison.
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What game was this author watching? USA played well but brazil created alot more chances than them in the first half, but didnt score. USA got there two chances and took it. What i like Brazil for is that first half and second half...tactics aint change..same brand ah ball they play. only difference between first and second half was the brazilian goals and their intensity. nothing else!! :beermug:
I think you blinded by bias to not see that for the majority of the first half the US looked better. The 2-0 lead would also suggest they were the better first half side. They didn't dominate 45 minutes but they controlled the majority of the first half. BTW I eh no USA fan so it eh no fanboy talk needa!!
As for not changing anything you must be drunk. The introduction of Elano allowed for Maicon to stay back closer to half line more often (thus negating the opportunity for the US to counter attack on their left where Maicon often vacated) than constantly attacking the flank and crossing it in. The introduction of Alves allowed for dual flank attacks which was hardly seen in the first half. The few times Brazil used the left flank in the first half almost always involved Robinho. In the second half Robinho came inside a bit more. So to say "only difference between first and second half was the brazilian goals and their intensity. nothing else!!" either mean you eh watch de match an jus glad as either a US hater or Brazil fan, or yuh watch an eh kno wha yuh was watchin.
In the end Brazil asserted themselves strongly in the second half and their talent and class overpowered the US. That opening minute goal in the second half destroyed the US composure. Bit by bit you could see the shape of their defense crumbling as Brazil upped their level of play. Great game for the neutral and great result for the Brazil fans.
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So what,Argentina won a WC on a handled ball and did not admit it until umteen years after,nobody eh redicule/hate them for that,why all yu don't cool yourselves.
They did?
Which World Cup was that?
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I think you blinded by bias to not see that for the majority of the first half the US looked better. The 2-0 lead would also suggest they were the better first half side. They didn't dominate 45 minutes but they controlled the majority of the first half. BTW I eh no USA fan so it eh no fanboy talk needa!!
As for not changing anything you must be drunk. The introduction of Elano allowed for Maicon to stay back closer to half line more often (thus negating the opportunity for the US to counter attack on their left where Maicon often vacated) than constantly attacking the flank and crossing it in. The introduction of Alves allowed for dual flank attacks which was hardly seen in the first half. The few times Brazil used the left flank in the first half almost always involved Robinho. In the second half Robinho came inside a bit more. So to say "only difference between first and second half was the brazilian goals and their intensity. nothing else!!" either mean you eh watch de match an jus glad as either a US hater or Brazil fan, or yuh watch an eh kno wha yuh was watchin.
In the end Brazil asserted themselves strongly in the second half and their talent and class overpowered the US. That opening minute goal in the second half destroyed the US composure. Bit by bit you could see the shape of their defense crumbling as Brazil upped their level of play. Great game for the neutral and great result for the Brazil fans.
The U.S. were better in the first half by virtue of goals (goals are afterall the be all and end all of the game). In terms of the run of play/flow of the game they didn't control most of the half- no way. Possession stats were always in favor of Brazil, shots & and shots on goal on both sides of half time, from what I remember were in favor of Brazil and Howard had to get down quite a few times with some very crucial, and not-so-straightforward saves to keep it clean in the 1st. I could remember 4 good saves off the top of my head in the 1st half (Santos, Robinho, Melo & Maicon each tested him).
Other than the two goals, the U.S. exploited some spaces, buzzed around the Brazilian area occasionally and caused one or two shaky moments particularly off set pieces...but they didn't really force any difficult saves out of J.Caesar from what I remember, nor did they dictate the pace of the game. Howard was the busier of the two keepers in the first half (unless we're talking about picking the ball out of the net ;D)...so I think that's where Fordy is coming from...I agree with Fordy that dominate is a misleading to describe the US performance in the 1st half. The U.S. dominated the scoreboard in the 1st half by being effective, they played with good energy and gave a good account of themselves. In terms of how the game went, Brazil never truly looked out of it though and to say that the U.S. controlled the game is a bit of stretch (though of course you can argue that the biggest controlling factor is the score which is where you might be coming from). The American commentary was fairly one-sided, and the soccernet articles are somewhat misleading in my opinion.
Tactically I agree with you Dunga made some adjustments... To the untrained eye, Elano change was definitely a tactical switch, Kaka played with greater width and Lucio played higher up the field as well in the 2nd half.
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I think you blinded by bias to not see that for the majority of the first half the US looked better. The 2-0 lead would also suggest they were the better first half side. They didn't dominate 45 minutes but they controlled the majority of the first half. BTW I eh no USA fan so it eh no fanboy talk needa!!
As for not changing anything you must be drunk. The introduction of Elano allowed for Maicon to stay back closer to half line more often (thus negating the opportunity for the US to counter attack on their left where Maicon often vacated) than constantly attacking the flank and crossing it in. The introduction of Alves allowed for dual flank attacks which was hardly seen in the first half. The few times Brazil used the left flank in the first half almost always involved Robinho. In the second half Robinho came inside a bit more. So to say "only difference between first and second half was the brazilian goals and their intensity. nothing else!!" either mean you eh watch de match an jus glad as either a US hater or Brazil fan, or yuh watch an eh kno wha yuh was watchin.
In the end Brazil asserted themselves strongly in the second half and their talent and class overpowered the US. That opening minute goal in the second half destroyed the US composure. Bit by bit you could see the shape of their defense crumbling as Brazil upped their level of play. Great game for the neutral and great result for the Brazil fans.
The U.S. were better in the first half by virtue of goals (goals are afterall the be all and end all of the game). In terms of the run of play/flow of the game they didn't control most of the half- no way. Possession stats were always in favor of Brazil, shots & and shots on goal on both sides of half time, from what I remember were in favor of Brazil and Howard had to get down quite a few times with some very crucial, and not-so-straightforward saves to keep it clean in the 1st. I could remember 4 good saves off the top of my head in the 1st half (Santos, Robinho, Melo & Maicon each tested him).
Other than the two goals, the U.S. exploited some spaces, buzzed around the Brazilian area occasionally and caused one or two shaky moments particularly off set pieces...but they didn't really force any difficult saves out of J.Caesar from what I remember, nor did they dictate the pace of the game. Howard was the busier of the two keepers in the first half (unless we're talking about picking the ball out of the net ;D)...so I think that's where Fordy is coming from...I agree with Fordy that dominate is a misleading to describe the US performance in the 1st half. The U.S. dominated the scoreboard in the 1st half by being effective, they played with good energy and gave a good account of themselves. In terms of how the game went, Brazil never truly looked out of it though and to say that the U.S. controlled the game is a bit of stretch (though of course you can argue that the biggest controlling factor is the score which is where you might be coming from). The American commentary was fairly one-sided, and the soccernet articles are somewhat misleading in my opinion.
Tactically I agree with you Dunga made some adjustments... To the untrained eye, Elano change was definitely a tactical switch, Kaka played with greater width and Lucio played higher up the field as well in the 2nd half.
And in the end these are the things that changed the way the game flowed. I agree with what you express overall but nothing says control more than the scoreboard. Notice I didn't use dominate to describe the US lead. I said looked better because despite the amount of shots and possession, Brazil had nothing to show while the US scored twice. The second goal was almost picture perfect execution and showed where Brazil can be exploited with their style of play. Still the US team has nothing to be sad about as they gave a very good acounting of themselves as the competition progressed. Sure they got demolished in their first 2 games but many big teams look like shit in early rounds of competitions often so I don't use that to measure team quality during any campaign. Last WC I remember having conversations with various people I met in Germany that swore france wouldn't make it out of the group stage and look.
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So what,Argentina won a WC on a handled ball and did not admit it until umteen years after,nobody eh redicule/hate them for that,why all yu don't cool yourselves.
They did?
Which World Cup was that?
I am open for correction but didn't Argentina defeat England on a handled ball that scored and went on to win that WC?may be i have things mixed up,any how all i'm trying to say here is let the people bask in their glory it's a first time for them,nobody expected this.
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Lifeisgood I understand all about why people doh like USA coz after 89 I hated the bastards more than any place on earth but I came to my senses.I honestly feel that it would be a great fillip for USA to beat Brasil on Sunday.
For too long CONCACAF been treated like the CINDERELLA of the football world,even Asia get treated better.I now back all CONCACAF teams no matter who they play,I even back Jamaica when they play outside of the CONCACAF.I want our teams and players to be taken seriously and that will happen when CONCACAF START BEATING UP TEAMS OUTSIDE THE REGION.I dont understand the hero worship that the South Americans get when man kick 2 good ball, while our players play their bollocks off and dont get anywhere.One day when we beating people regular we players will be accepted.Nuff said!
Frico - well said sah...sorry I am now getting back to this. I agree, Concacaf gets very little respect and until.....(everything you said).....will get none.
I am just not ready to see the US carry the Concacaf flag...cyar back dem. Waay too arrogant...have you seen and heard quotes of their players and coaches, when discussing their smaller Concacaf counterpart nations? So we must respect them and pull for them..when it is not reciprocated? ... You think the american die-hard fan would give a rats a%% if Haiti was playing England? They rootin for England patna!... So fire bun fi dem..
The universe has return to its rightful standing. Overhyped Brazil showed their class yesterday and IMO showed that they are the best in the world. Even down 0-2, they did not necessarily change the way they play..they just played with a little more purpose...came out of 2nd gear as they say. It could have been 6-0 at half ..and I think Brazil would have won the game 7-6. That is the beauty of Brazil, never got flustered (a la Spain), they just kept playing..and yuh see. As I said earlier for the sake of the Beautiful game..Brazil needed to deliver...because if not it any team that play a fit-corbeaux brand (a la US) could go on a lucky run. In 5 yrs we will all forget that the US came 2nd in this tournament (thank goodness)
Until US soccer becomes less classist -- they will only develop the occasional "good" team. For a nation with so many international influences, there should be way more minorities playing ..but because competitive youth soccer is so expensive, you cut down your talent pool tremendously, because kids/families can't afford it. The ones that can, act like they are the best..not based on talent, but on mom and dads bank account.
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Frico - well said sah...sorry I am now getting back to this. I agree, Concacaf gets very little respect and until.....(everything you said).....will get none.
I am just not ready to see the US carry the Concacaf flag...cyar back dem. Waay too arrogant...have you seen and heard quotes of their players and coaches, when discussing their smaller Concacaf counterpart nations? So we must respect them and pull for them..when it is not reciprocated? ... You think the american die-hard fan would give a rats a%% if Haiti was playing England? They rootin for England patna!... So fire bun fi dem..
The universe has return to its rightful standing. Overhyped Brazil showed their class yesterday and IMO showed that they are the best in the world. Even down 0-2, they did not necessarily change the way they play..they just played with a little more purpose...came out of 2nd gear as they say. It could have been 6-0 at half ..and I think Brazil would have won the game 7-6. That is the beauty of Brazil, never got flustered (a la Spain), they just kept playing..and yuh see. As I said earlier for the sake of the Beautiful game..Brazil needed to deliver...because if not it any team that play a fit-corbeaux brand (a la US) could go on a lucky run. In 5 yrs we will all forget that the US came 2nd in this tournament (thank goodness)
Until US soccer becomes less classist -- they will only develop the occasional "good" team. For a nation with so many international influences, there should be way more minorities playing ..but because competitive youth soccer is so expensive, you cut down your talent pool tremendously, because kids/families can't afford it. The ones that can, act like they are the best..not based on talent, but on mom and dads bank account.
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Is not really the expense that deters most yuh know. Not saying it's cheap but the whole setup is designed for stay at home parents or those who have ah guardian to watch their children after school. My son turning 5 and at 3 we was looking into the camps and leagues (might be premature for some) and we get to realize that there are 1. hardly any in or close to urban areas in this city and 2. they are mostly weekdays at times ranging from 1-3pm. so it cut out all the working class people with children who interested or even show signs of natural telent that come from middle class family homes.
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The U.S. did well. It's as much as they could realistically expect from the crop of players that they have. When you compare the personnel, you have to say that they did well- and they finally got some help from the ref for a change lol...In the end the better team won, and yuh really have to tip your hat to Brazil for showing the patience & quality to claw back 3 (4 ;D) goals in 45 mins.
The glaring difference between a good solid outfit like the States and a World contender like Brazil is the manner in which they shift into 5th gear. At the highest level of US intensity, it's a gritty, scrappy leave it all on the field style of play where they're literally fighting for every yard...and where they are more likely to lose that shape and balance, and eventually get caught out (or run out of steam whichever comes first)...When a team like Brazil takes it up a notch (Spain as well though they were unlucky not to score), they are better are maintaining a fluid cohesive team performance with every thing executed at a higher level of intensity. There was a point in the game (roughly 10 mins before half time) where it was almost like Brazil said "ok let's take it up a notch"...and from that point on, they were playing at a higher level than the U.S. could deal with, and because it's more of a balanced collective shift in gears, they're still able maintain their shape and not get too caught out...they literally won everything in the middle of the field, to the point where B.Bradley had to take out Altidore, and crowd the midfield with Klejstan deep in the 2nd half to even have a shot at maintaining the ball and staying in the game.
That difference is a reflection of the quality (physically but more technically) of individual players...player for player, the States was outmatched...Hopefully for their sake, with time the U.S. will be able to fill their roster with higher quality players and be able to put games like yesterday's away. Until then, teams of the calibre of Brazil, Italy, Argentina etc will most times be "too good" for them...Still a step in the right direction for U.S. soccer nevertheless... no doubt about that- they should be quite proud of what they did in this tournament.
Good assessment, kicker. I agree with all of it.
Brazil just has too many weapons and we could only hold out for so long. You see the difference when the teams go to the bench for subs; Brazil brings on Elano and Daniel Alves, while the USA brings on Jonathan Bornstein and Conor Casey. We definitely have slim pickens by comparison.
Zeppo, you seem like a reasonable fella, with a love for the game..and no matter what you backin your side - the US. I respect that.
The US got carried away yesterday IMO - in that emotion rather than tactics, took front yesterday. The coaching staff must bear the brunt of the criticism yesterday for blowing the 2 goal lead. Which is like blowing a 20pt lead in the 4th qrtr of a bball game. IMO the US should have sit Clark right in front of the back 4, in the 2nd half and played Donovan and Dempsey in more defensive/possession minded roles...play through them. Instead, they continued to play relatively wide open and tried to attack, the way they opened the game.
1) Maicon had as many if not more touches on the ball than any other Brasil player in the tournament - move a player like Davies out there in the 2nd half, to contend with him. Maicon IMO was the most valuable player for Brazil (after Fabiano ..goals win matches)
2) Sit Clark "in the hole" to protect the back 4, if he won it - play 2-3 football..link with the outside mid or center fwd, who would hold the ball with his back to the goal. (Altidore should have never come off)
3) Get your playmakers on the ball - I would have given Donovan more freedom to be disruptive on the defensive end, to help you win possession, an be an outlet for the backline.
Bottom line - more discipline was needed on the defensive side of the ball. Maicon was allowed too much freedom in the 2nd half. The Americans got greedy ..and may have actually thought.."hey we scored 2 goals against a "suspect" Brazil defense..let's blow them out"....the coaching staff did not make the necessary adjustments. I am not saying to just go into a shell..play yuh football ..but you have to take something away from what the other team is trying to do. Limit Maicon, crowd Kaka and 'Binho - let other players beat you.
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GREAT job USA!!! Excellent achievement. Brazil had to fight for that win. But the USA have gain some VAST experience against some of the TOP teams in the world, Brazil (twice), Spain, Italy, etc. That is why the would ALWAYS be a step ahead in Concacaf and ALWAYS be a force to reckon with!! People could hate all they want, they did a FANTASTIC job to reach the final and make Brazil work they shocks off!!!
Trinidad on the other had is expected to beat the USA? It would not happen, cause they were much more prepared and experienced at international level. USA not ready a man say? Trinidad not READY!!!
Like you have amnesia! so what we did in sept last yr @ the HSC, and we beat dem with charlie davies too.
if latas stay on as coach for another two yrs , we will beat any team in concacaf. right now the football game so tight that it doh really have much dominant teams in the world like before.
you must remember that pancho off set the team and put us back ah few yrs, now latas have tuh rebuild and off set his doings. it may be too late for the WC thanx to jack and pancho, but i feel we could do some damage in the yrs to come.
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Frico - well said sah...sorry I am now getting back to this. I agree, Concacaf gets very little respect and until.....(everything you said).....will get none.
I am just not ready to see the US carry the Concacaf flag...cyar back dem. Waay too arrogant...have you seen and heard quotes of their players and coaches, when discussing their smaller Concacaf counterpart nations? So we must respect them and pull for them..when it is not reciprocated? ... You think the american die-hard fan would give a rats a%% if Haiti was playing England? They rootin for England patna!... So fire bun fi dem..
The universe has return to its rightful standing. Overhyped Brazil showed their class yesterday and IMO showed that they are the best in the world. Even down 0-2, they did not necessarily change the way they play..they just played with a little more purpose...came out of 2nd gear as they say. It could have been 6-0 at half ..and I think Brazil would have won the game 7-6. That is the beauty of Brazil, never got flustered (a la Spain), they just kept playing..and yuh see. As I said earlier for the sake of the Beautiful game..Brazil needed to deliver...because if not it any team that play a fit-corbeaux brand (a la US) could go on a lucky run. In 5 yrs we will all forget that the US came 2nd in this tournament (thank goodness)
Until US soccer becomes less classist -- they will only develop the occasional "good" team. For a nation with so many international influences, there should be way more minorities playing ..but because competitive youth soccer is so expensive, you cut down your talent pool tremendously, because kids/families can't afford it. The ones that can, act like they are the best..not based on talent, but on mom and dads bank account.
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Is not really the expense that deters most yuh know. Not saying it's cheap but the whole setup is designed for stay at home parents or those who have ah guardian to watch their children after school. My son turning 5 and at 3 we was looking into the camps and leagues (might be premature for some) and we get to realize that there are 1. hardly any in or close to urban areas in this city and 2. they are mostly weekdays at times ranging from 1-3pm. so it cut out all the working class people with children who interested or even show signs of natural telent that come from middle class family homes.
I hear yuh..but my experience to date is this. I currently coach a U18 team that has been reasonably successful over the last 4 yrs. The team was formed to get exposure for the players, and hopefully scholarships to play college ball. Over the 4 yrs - just the team fees alone, averaged $1500 a yr...add to that the travel to the major tournaments..where the college coaches are... 3 nights in a hotel plus meals... 4 major tournaments....the cost adds up.
I have a 10 yr old that is showing signs of becoming a player - I coached his side as well over the last 2 yrs... so we got a break in team fees and obviously he is not at the age for attending "college showcases". Now he has said he wants to play at a higher level and so we have to go to one of the big clubs in the state - I will not be coaching..so there is no "break". We are looking at a $1200 bill for a U11 (academy team)! -- this is to cover coaches, turf field rental, uniform..etc Then you introduce supplimental training and Olympic Development programs etc....I could go on.
So yes, cost is an issue because it will not get any cheaper as he develops. However, it is an investment in his future..if coupled with good grades - a must if there is to be any football - be can get scholarship money to pay for his college education ...then it is win-win..so players and parents must decide from a relatively early age in the US...is football for fun or is it a means to an end??
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Lifeisgood I understand all about why people doh like USA coz after 89 I hated the bastards more than any place on earth but I came to my senses.I honestly feel that it would be a great fillip for USA to beat Brasil on Sunday.
For too long CONCACAF been treated like the CINDERELLA of the football world,even Asia get treated better.I now back all CONCACAF teams no matter who they play,I even back Jamaica when they play outside of the CONCACAF.I want our teams and players to be taken seriously and that will happen when CONCACAF START BEATING UP TEAMS OUTSIDE THE REGION.I dont understand the hero worship that the South Americans get when man kick 2 good ball, while our players play their bollocks off and dont get anywhere.One day when we beating people regular we players will be accepted.Nuff said!
Frico - well said sah...sorry I am now getting back to this. I agree, Concacaf gets very little respect and until.....(everything you said).....will get none.
I am just not ready to see the US carry the Concacaf flag...cyar back dem. Waay too arrogant...have you seen and heard quotes of their players and coaches, when discussing their smaller Concacaf counterpart nations? So we must respect them and pull for them..when it is not reciprocated? ... You think the american die-hard fan would give a rats a%% if Haiti was playing England? They rootin for England patna!... So fire bun fi dem..
The universe has return to its rightful standing. Overhyped Brazil showed their class yesterday and IMO showed that they are the best in the world. Even down 0-2, they did not necessarily change the way they play..they just played with a little more purpose...came out of 2nd gear as they say. It could have been 6-0 at half ..and I think Brazil would have won the game 7-6. That is the beauty of Brazil, never got flustered (a la Spain), they just kept playing..and yuh see. As I said earlier for the sake of the Beautiful game..Brazil needed to deliver...because if not it any team that play a fit-corbeaux brand (a la US) could go on a lucky run. In 5 yrs we will all forget that the US came 2nd in this tournament (thank goodness)
Until US soccer becomes less classist -- they will only develop the occasional "good" team. For a nation with so many international influences, there should be way more minorities playing ..but because competitive youth soccer is so expensive, you cut down your talent pool tremendously, because kids/families can't afford it. The ones that can, act like they are the best..not based on talent, but on mom and dads bank account.
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so when yuh say minorities, yuh mean black people right? not mexicans/west indians/central americans/south americans/etcs.....who exactly yuh mean does act like dey is de best, the boys themselves or de parents....doh get meh wrong yuh, i imagine posting based on your experiences and reality right, but as ah man who see it different it just interesting to me, mustbe whey ah living.
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Lifeisgood I understand all about why people doh like USA coz after 89 I hated the bastards more than any place on earth but I came to my senses.I honestly feel that it would be a great fillip for USA to beat Brasil on Sunday.
For too long CONCACAF been treated like the CINDERELLA of the football world,even Asia get treated better.I now back all CONCACAF teams no matter who they play,I even back Jamaica when they play outside of the CONCACAF.I want our teams and players to be taken seriously and that will happen when CONCACAF START BEATING UP TEAMS OUTSIDE THE REGION.I dont understand the hero worship that the South Americans get when man kick 2 good ball, while our players play their bollocks off and dont get anywhere.One day when we beating people regular we players will be accepted.Nuff said!
Frico - well said sah...sorry I am now getting back to this. I agree, Concacaf gets very little respect and until.....(everything you said).....will get none.
I am just not ready to see the US carry the Concacaf flag...cyar back dem. Waay too arrogant...have you seen and heard quotes of their players and coaches, when discussing their smaller Concacaf counterpart nations? So we must respect them and pull for them..when it is not reciprocated? ... You think the american die-hard fan would give a rats a%% if Haiti was playing England? They rootin for England patna!... So fire bun fi dem..
The universe has return to its rightful standing. Overhyped Brazil showed their class yesterday and IMO showed that they are the best in the world. Even down 0-2, they did not necessarily change the way they play..they just played with a little more purpose...came out of 2nd gear as they say. It could have been 6-0 at half ..and I think Brazil would have won the game 7-6. That is the beauty of Brazil, never got flustered (a la Spain), they just kept playing..and yuh see. As I said earlier for the sake of the Beautiful game..Brazil needed to deliver...because if not it any team that play a fit-corbeaux brand (a la US) could go on a lucky run. In 5 yrs we will all forget that the US came 2nd in this tournament (thank goodness)
Until US soccer becomes less classist -- they will only develop the occasional "good" team. For a nation with so many international influences, there should be way more minorities playing ..but because competitive youth soccer is so expensive, you cut down your talent pool tremendously, because kids/families can't afford it. The ones that can, act like they are the best..not based on talent, but on mom and dads bank account.
:beermug: :beermug:
so when yuh say minorities, yuh mean black people right? not mexicans/west indians/central americans/south americans/etcs.....who exactly yuh mean does act like dey is de best, the boys themselves or de parents....doh get meh wrong yuh, i imagine posting based on your experiences and reality right, but as ah man who see it different it just interesting to me, mustbe whey ah living.
No sah ... my comment is not limited to black people... if it was, I would have said ("More black people") ... and yes, all I can speak of is from my experience. I have been coaching in the US north east for the last 10 yrs..and could count on one hand, how many "minority" coaches, I have coached against. 90% of the players we have played against are non-minorities.. why is that? My team plays at a high level, at highly regarded tournaments and leagues...and this is the mix of coaches / players that I have seen.
My point is that how is it for a US national team, that the national mix is not better represented? Things may be different in your neck of the woods, but here..the fellas that could afford, generally rise to the top.
Now we could get into the discussion about how SOME minorities spend their money,the priorities they set and their planning for the future. Is it a case of spending on XBox and Jordans, over signing up scholar-athlete Johnny in a sports program that could help pay for his future education? ???
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So what,Argentina won a WC on a handled ball and did not admit it until umteen years after,nobody eh redicule/hate them for that,why all yu don't cool yourselves.
They did?
Which World Cup was that?
I am open for correction but didn't Argentina defeat England on a handled ball that scored and went on to win that WC?may be i have things mixed up,any how all i'm trying to say here is let the people bask in their glory it's a first time for them,nobody expected this.
Yuh right Coops....It was in Mexico in '86, the famed "hand of god" vs England....
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I hear yuh..but my experience to date is this. I currently coach a U18 team that has been reasonably successful over the last 4 yrs. The team was formed to get exposure for the players, and hopefully scholarships to play college ball. Over the 4 yrs - just the team fees alone, averaged $1500 a yr...add to that the travel to the major tournaments..where the college coaches are... 3 nights in a hotel plus meals... 4 major tournaments....the cost adds up.
I have a 10 yr old that is showing signs of becoming a player - I coached his side as well over the last 2 yrs... so we got a break in team fees and obviously he is not at the age for attending "college showcases". Now he has said he wants to play at a higher level and so we have to go to one of the big clubs in the state - I will not be coaching..so there is no "break". We are looking at a $1200 bill for a U11 (academy team)! -- this is to cover coaches, turf field rental, uniform..etc Then you introduce supplimental training and Olympic Development programs etc....I could go on.
So yes, cost is an issue because it will not get any cheaper as he develops. However, it is an investment in his future..if coupled with good grades - a must if there is to be any football - be can get scholarship money to pay for his college education ...then it is win-win..so players and parents must decide from a relatively early age in the US...is football for fun or is it a means to an end??
Plenty issues with this ting in troot oui.
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No sah ... my comment is not limited to black people... if it was, I would have said ("More black people") ... and yes, all I can speak of is from my experience. I have been coaching in the US north east for the last 10 yrs..and could count on one hand, how many "minority" coaches, I have coached against. 90% of the players we have played against are non-minorities.. why is that? My team plays at a high level, at highly regarded tournaments and leagues...and this is the mix of coaches / players that I have seen.
My point is that how is it for a US national team, that the national mix is not better represented? Things may be different in your neck of the woods, but here..the fellas that could afford, generally rise to the top.
Now we could get into the discussion about how SOME minorities spend their money,the priorities they set and their planning for the future. Is it a case of spending on XBox and Jordans, over signing up scholar-athlete Johnny in a sports program that could help pay for his future education? ???
What you fellas are talking about is a familiar and often discussed topic. There are definitely socio-economic divides at play that could be potentially hurting youth development here in the U.S. - but considering that 5 of the starting XI for the U.S. yesterday were non-white players, (Howard, Onyewu, Clark, Altidore & Davies)...and another 5 non-white players (Adu, Beasley, Wynne, Torres & Robles) were on the bench, the minority representation on the current U.S. team compared to minority % of the US population would suggest a fair amount of integration.
I think the U.S. could more benefit from a different form of flare & expression on the field often associated with players from the lower socio-economic classes than a mere racial integration of it's US MNT roster.
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Waay too arrogant...have you seen and heard quotes of their players and coaches, when discussing their smaller Concacaf counterpart nations?
Yes. And they sound like us when we discuss the same. In fact, I think they have more respect for us than we have for St. Kitts and Nevis. Kenwyne call de qualifiers against Bermuda practice matches in de press. But nah, de US arrogant.
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No sah ... my comment is not limited to black people... if it was, I would have said ("More black people") ... and yes, all I can speak of is from my experience. I have been coaching in the US north east for the last 10 yrs..and could count on one hand, how many "minority" coaches, I have coached against. 90% of the players we have played against are non-minorities.. why is that? My team plays at a high level, at highly regarded tournaments and leagues...and this is the mix of coaches / players that I have seen.
My point is that how is it for a US national team, that the national mix is not better represented? Things may be different in your neck of the woods, but here..the fellas that could afford, generally rise to the top.
Now we could get into the discussion about how SOME minorities spend their money,the priorities they set and their planning for the future. Is it a case of spending on XBox and Jordans, over signing up scholar-athlete Johnny in a sports program that could help pay for his future education? ???
What you fellas are talking about is a familiar and often discussed topic. There are definitely socio-economic divides at play that could be potentially hurting youth development here in the U.S. - but considering that 5 of the starting XI for the U.S. yesterday were non-white players, (Howard, Onyewu, Clark, Altidore & Davies)...and another 5 non-white players (Adu, Beasley, Wynne, Torres & Robles) were on the bench, the minority representation on the current U.S. team compared to minority % of the US population would suggest a fair amount of integration.
I think the U.S. could more benefit from a different form of flare & expression on the field often associated with players from the lower socio-economic classes than a mere racial integration of it's US MNT roster.
I'd add Bocanegra, who is Hispanic, as are Torres and Robles. Lifeisgood's experience seems like the norm in most parts of the US. It's been a well publicized criticism of US soccer at the grass roots level, but there have been some changes and there is an organized effort to make the sport more accessible to all. Today's US team is far more mixed than the teams of 10-15 years ago.
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No sah ... my comment is not limited to black people... if it was, I would have said ("More black people") ... and yes, all I can speak of is from my experience. I have been coaching in the US north east for the last 10 yrs..and could count on one hand, how many "minority" coaches, I have coached against. 90% of the players we have played against are non-minorities.. why is that? My team plays at a high level, at highly regarded tournaments and leagues...and this is the mix of coaches / players that I have seen.
My point is that how is it for a US national team, that the national mix is not better represented? Things may be different in your neck of the woods, but here..the fellas that could afford, generally rise to the top.
Now we could get into the discussion about how SOME minorities spend their money,the priorities they set and their planning for the future. Is it a case of spending on XBox and Jordans, over signing up scholar-athlete Johnny in a sports program that could help pay for his future education? ???
What you fellas are talking about is a familiar and often discussed topic. There are definitely socio-economic divides at play that could be potentially hurting youth development here in the U.S. - but considering that 5 of the starting XI for the U.S. yesterday were non-white players, (Howard, Onyewu, Clark, Altidore & Davies)...and another 5 non-white players (Adu, Beasley, Wynne, Torres & Robles) were on the bench, the minority representation on the current U.S. team compared to minority % of the US population would suggest a fair amount of integration.
I think the U.S. could more benefit from a different form of flare & expression on the field often associated with players from the lower socio-economic classes than a mere racial integration of it's US MNT roster.
I'd add Bocanegra, who is Hispanic, as are Torres and Robles. Lifeisgood's experience seems like the norm in most parts of the US. It's been a well publicized criticism of US soccer at the grass roots level, but there have been some changes and there is an organized effort to make the sport more accessible to all. Today's US team is far more mixed than the teams of 10-15 years ago.
theres something else that comes to my mind...if it weren't for immigrants coming into the US, football or so called soccer wouldnt be the same. if you were to take away the immigrants coming into the US then i think the US wouldve ended up like India or China. immigrants are breathing life into US soccer...and maybe one day US would become one of the elite football nations
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theres something else that comes to my mind...if it weren't for immigrants coming into the US, football or so called soccer wouldnt be the same. if you were to take away the immigrants coming into the US then i think the US wouldve ended up like India or China. immigrants are breathing life into US soccer...and maybe one day US would become one of the elite football nations
I don't know what's your point, but when immigrants came the US, football was the last thing on their minds - they came to avoid religious persecution, famine, poverty or were shackled as slaves - not play football. Immigrants have changed the faces of all professioanl sports in the US: Football, Basketball, Hockey, Soccer etc - and it would be impractical to say that the US would have ended up like India or China because while the indigenous people of India and China by and large make up almost all of their population, the Native Americans make up only a small minority in the US .... and get this - Sunil Gulati (Indian) is the head of US Soccer.
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OK so meh radar finally find this championship nice comeback Brazil because all yuh know all yuh could not go back to Rio if dem Yanks did beat all yuh.
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Of all the people who saying that T&T players have poor first touch, I eh hear any of them point out how many times the Brazilian players showed poor first touch during that last game. Who else notice that?
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Of all the people who saying that T&T players have poor first touch, I eh hear any of them point out how many times the Brazilian players showed poor first touch during that last game. Who else notice that?
That wasn't poor touch, that was the vuvuzela. And they hotel get rob too!
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Seleçao comeback ends U.S. dream
Clint Dempsey sobbed as the Americans walked up to get their second-place medals, unable to hide the pain and the disappointment any longer.
The euphoria of knocking off Spain last week dissolved Sunday in the Confederations Cup final when Brazil unleashed its "Beautiful Game."
After dominating the five-time World Cup champions in the first half, the Americans were powerless as Brazil scored three goals in the final 45 minutes to rally for a 3-2 win.
(continue) (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/report?id=266850&cc=5739)
Reality BITES!!! After joy, comes sorrow. After laughter comes cryter. Better luck next time. (whenever THAT happens.)
I'm proud of my team. They had a great tournament and made it all the way to the final, where they gave Brazil a run for their money. Sent the European Champions packing along the way, too.
Besides, I don't see what you're gloating about. T&T would have gotten dusted by every team in that tournament, and you know it. Try that one on for "reality".
You may be right about that one but at least we know we place. Like I read here, anyone can put 10 men behind the ball. Did you see how Landon celebrated after he score, pointing to himself say "Me Me" Did you see any of that crap from Brazil? :) Even in the interviews after the game Zeppo coach and Landon showed no class. Acting like if "their" unforced errors "gave" Brazil the game. scheeeuuupss. And what dude crying for? Acting like someone robbed him? Like they were ever expected to win. Acting like a spoiled brat again. No football class whatsoever.
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Of all the people who saying that T&T players have poor first touch, I eh hear any of them point out how many times the Brazilian players showed poor first touch during that last game. Who else notice that?
I notice that. I couldn't believe it. But by they second touch it was back on though. So if you not there by their first touch forget it.
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Of all the people who saying that T&T players have poor first touch, I eh hear any of them point out how many times the Brazilian players showed poor first touch during that last game. Who else notice that?
for the most part, the first touch look good to me. Davies speed caused some discomfort in the 1st half and whole tournament Kaka just look a little off when receiving the ball to me. i not sure how he won tournament mvp. doh talk about ramires in the semis and the final. but in the 2nd half when Brazil really up the tempo, them fellas look sharp. Considering the pace that the US plays at, and you realize they couldn't get near the Brazilians, it seems to me Brazilian technique was sharp. maybe i was too caught up in the game and really didn't pay enough attention. but it didn't stand out beyond Kaka and Ramires.
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Of all the people who saying that T&T players have poor first touch, I eh hear any of them point out how many times the Brazilian players showed poor first touch during that last game. Who else notice that?
I notice that. I couldn't believe it. But by they second touch it was back on though. So if you not there by their first touch forget it.
i eh see dat, i was watching this whole confed cup and only wishing our players had a good first touch or even ah good second touch.
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Seleçao comeback ends U.S. dream
Clint Dempsey sobbed as the Americans walked up to get their second-place medals, unable to hide the pain and the disappointment any longer.
The euphoria of knocking off Spain last week dissolved Sunday in the Confederations Cup final when Brazil unleashed its "Beautiful Game."
After dominating the five-time World Cup champions in the first half, the Americans were powerless as Brazil scored three goals in the final 45 minutes to rally for a 3-2 win.
(continue) (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/report?id=266850&cc=5739)
Reality BITES!!! After joy, comes sorrow. After laughter comes cryter. Better luck next time. (whenever THAT happens.)
I'm proud of my team. They had a great tournament and made it all the way to the final, where they gave Brazil a run for their money. Sent the European Champions packing along the way, too.
Besides, I don't see what you're gloating about. T&T would have gotten dusted by every team in that tournament, and you know it. Try that one on for "reality".
You may be right about that one but at least we know we place. Like I read here, anyone can put 10 men behind the ball. Did you see how Landon celebrated after he score, pointing to himself say "Me Me" Did you see any of that crap from Brazil? :) Even in the interviews after the game Zeppo coach and Landon showed no class. Acting like if "their" unforced errors "gave" Brazil the game. scheeeuuupss. And what dude crying for? Acting like someone robbed him? Like they were ever expected to win. Acting like a spoiled brat again. No football class whatsoever.
Doh worry , they have many more tears tuh cry once they step up in the big pond. they manhandled and vanquished all concacaf opponents, but they're no longer the big fish in the small pond, now it's the other way around.
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You may be right about that one but at least we know we place. Like I read here, anyone can put 10 men behind the ball. Did you see how Landon celebrated after he score, pointing to himself say "Me Me" Did you see any of that crap from Brazil? :) Even in the interviews after the game Zeppo coach and Landon showed no class. Acting like if "their" unforced errors "gave" Brazil the game. scheeeuuupss. And what dude crying for? Acting like someone robbed him? Like they were ever expected to win. Acting like a spoiled brat again. No football class whatsoever.
How is crying when your team lost showing no football class? How many times have we seen athletes cry when they lose a match? Even when they weren't favourites. All it showed is that the result meant something to him, as it should. Why shouldn't the Americans think that they're going to win? What's the point in playing at that level if you don't have ambition to win? I didn't care for Donavan's celebration either, but again, haven't we seen far more tactless or down right offensive celebrations than that? His was mild (at worse) and I didn't like it because football is a team game... nothing more.
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You may be right about that one but at least we know we place. Like I read here, anyone can put 10 men behind the ball. Did you see how Landon celebrated after he score, pointing to himself say "Me Me" Did you see any of that crap from Brazil? :) Even in the interviews after the game Zeppo coach and Landon showed no class. Acting like if "their" unforced errors "gave" Brazil the game. scheeeuuupss. And what dude crying for? Acting like someone robbed him? Like they were ever expected to win. Acting like a spoiled brat again. No football class whatsoever.
Allyuh really ridiculous dread.
First off Donovan's interview was very very sportsmanlike. He said they (Brazil) deserved it in the end, and they showed why they are rated as highly as they are.
Bradley commented on the early second half goal throwing them off their game plan...that's natural- that's not unsportsmanlike... that's just the truth. No where did they take anything away from Brazil.
As for the crying, it's obvious that the U.S. really got themselves up for this game (as did Brazil)...and they saw this as one of, if not the biggest moment in their careers. It's easy for you to sit back and dismiss U.S. football and their footballers, but a day in their shoes will probably show you that just like any other pro football player, they have aspirations of being the best- Dem fellas going tuh work everyday and working their asses off for the love of the game just like any pro football player from any country...And to make matters worse they flying their flag to the best of their ability, and a large % of the people they sweating it out for, doh even know, or don't even care...you think that is a small deal? Is men livelihood yuh talkin' about....and this was the biggest game of their lives so far- some of these guys will probably never get a chance like that again, and like it or not, despite being underdogs, to them it will feel like they let it slip away...They probably saw this as a chance to finally reap some reward and against the odds get some recognition for the hard work they put in as pro atheletes...and after all that, it still wasn't enough....and that is painful.
Anyone expected T&T to qualify for the World Cup in 1989? Dwight Yorke bawling down the place was a lack of class huh? Or did somebody rob him? steupsss....I eh no Captain America but allyuh really ridiculous dread.
The ESPN commentary on the other hand, in large part was very one-sided. Really only focussed on the American perspective which I didn't think was professional especially if it were an international broadcast (was it an international broadcast?)...But that was no reflection on the U.S. team, players or management.
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You may be right about that one but at least we know we place. Like I read here, anyone can put 10 men behind the ball. Did you see how Landon celebrated after he score, pointing to himself say "Me Me" Did you see any of that crap from Brazil? :) Even in the interviews after the game Zeppo coach and Landon showed no class. Acting like if "their" unforced errors "gave" Brazil the game. scheeeuuupss. And what dude crying for? Acting like someone robbed him? Like they were ever expected to win. Acting like a spoiled brat again. No football class whatsoever.
Allyuh really ridiculous dread.
First off Donovan's interview was very very sportsmanlike. He said they (Brazil) deserved it in the end, and they showed why they are rated as highly as they are.
Bradley commented on the early second half goal throwing them off their game plan...that's natural- that's not unsportsmanlike... that's just the truth. No where did they take anything away from Brazil.
As for the crying, it's obvious that the U.S. really got themselves up for this game (as did Brazil)...and they saw this as one of, if not the biggest moment in their careers. It's easy for you to sit back and dismiss U.S. football and their footballers, but a day in their shoes will probably show you that just like any other pro football player, they have aspirations of being the best- Dem fellas going tuh work everyday and working their asses off for the love of the game just like any pro football player from any country...And to make matters worse they flying their flag to the best of their ability, and a large % of the people they sweating it out for, doh even know, or don't even care...you think that is a small deal? Is men livelihood yuh talkin' about....and this was the biggest game of their lives so far- some of these guys will probably never get a chance like that again, and like it or not, despite being underdogs, to them it will feel like they let it slip away...They probably saw this as a chance to finally reap some reward and against the odds get some recognition for the hard work they put in as pro atheletes...and after all that, it still wasn't enough....and that is painful.
Anyone expected T&T to qualify for the World Cup in 1989? Dwight Yorke bawling down the place was a lack of class huh? Or did somebody rob him? steupsss....I eh no Captain America but allyuh really ridiculous dread.
The ESPN commentary on the other hand, in large part was very one-sided. Really only focussed on the American perspective which I didn't think was professional especially if it were an international broadcast (was it an international broadcast?)...But that was no reflection on the U.S. team, players or management.
As per usual, spot on :applause:
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That is a good perspective right dey...
I wasn't vex for the crying but I was still confused at de time... because I fine they reach far so they shoulda be happy... because I woulda be happy like pappy to be on de medals podium...
but ah guess thais just de trini in me... win or lose we go wine on a bumcee...
let de men and dem cry yes... (I personally enjoy they tears though) :devil:
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I remember losing a match to Cuba in 1999 2-3. Nobody expected us to be close to Cuba for that match, but we suprised them and led 2-1 at one point. They got a fortunate decision from the umpire and then we had a legitimate penalty disallowed. When the final whistle went men bawl like someone dead. Losing is a disappointing this for an athlete. Well said, kicker.
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You may be right about that one but at least we know we place. Like I read here, anyone can put 10 men behind the ball. Did you see how Landon celebrated after he score, pointing to himself say "Me Me" Did you see any of that crap from Brazil? :) Even in the interviews after the game Zeppo coach and Landon showed no class. Acting like if "their" unforced errors "gave" Brazil the game. scheeeuuupss. And what dude crying for? Acting like someone robbed him? Like they were ever expected to win. Acting like a spoiled brat again. No football class whatsoever.
Allyuh really ridiculous dread.First off Donovan's interview was very very sportsmanlike. He said they (Brazil) deserved it in the end, and they showed why they are rated as highly as they are.
Bradley commented on the early second half goal throwing them off their game plan...that's natural- that's not unsportsmanlike... that's just the truth. No where did they take anything away from Brazil.
As for the crying, it's obvious that the U.S. really got themselves up for this game (as did Brazil)...and they saw this as one of, if not the biggest moment in their careers. It's easy for you to sit back and dismiss U.S. football and their footballers, but a day in their shoes will probably show you that just like any other pro football player, they have aspirations of being the best- Dem fellas going tuh work everyday and working their asses off for the love of the game just like any pro football player from any country...And to make matters worse they flying their flag to the best of their ability, and a large % of the people they sweating it out for, doh even know, or don't even care...you think that is a small deal? Is men livelihood yuh talkin' about....and this was the biggest game of their lives so far- some of these guys will probably never get a chance like that again, and like it or not, despite being underdogs, to them it will feel like they let it slip away...They probably saw this as a chance to finally reap some reward and against the odds get some recognition for the hard work they put in as pro atheletes...and after all that, it still wasn't enough....and that is painful.
Anyone expected T&T to qualify for the World Cup in 1989? Dwight Yorke bawling down the place was a lack of class huh? Or did somebody rob him? steupsss....I eh no Captain America but allyuh really ridiculous dread.
The ESPN commentary on the other hand, in large part was very one-sided. Really only focussed on the American perspective which I didn't think was professional especially if it were an international broadcast (was it an international broadcast?)...But that was no reflection on the U.S. team, players or management.
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you know i watching him crying and thinking dat some ass(es) go post some sh&t bout dat on here, Kicker yuh handle it well though.
on ah related note how come non ah de anti-american, america-haters, dempsey(and de other white boys haters) eh post nothing bout dempsey lil Michael Jackson dance move after he score?? whapn allyuh sleeping on de job or what? come nah man allyuh could extend dis thread by two pages talking bout dat. how dare he do dat wid he WHITE arrogant, just-score-against-brazil self???
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you know i watching him crying and thinking dat some ass(es) go post some sh&t bout dat on here, Kicker yuh handle it well though.
on ah related note how come non ah de anti-american, america-haters, dempsey(and de other white boys haters) eh post nothing bout dempsey lil Michael Jackson dance move after he score?? whapn allyuh sleeping on de job or what? come nah man allyuh could extend dis thread by two pages talking bout dat. how dare he do dat wid he WHITE arrogant, just-score-against-brazil self???
I see that for the first time yesterday on one of the many many ESPN replays - I thought it was a classy tribute.
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you know i watching him crying and thinking dat some ass(es) go post some sh&t bout dat on here, Kicker yuh handle it well though.
on ah related note how come non ah de anti-american, america-haters, dempsey(and de other white boys haters) eh post nothing bout dempsey lil Michael Jackson dance move after he score?? whapn allyuh sleeping on de job or what? come nah man allyuh could extend dis thread by two pages talking bout dat. how dare he do dat wid he WHITE arrogant, just-score-against-brazil self???
I see that for the first time yesterday on one of the many many ESPN replays - I thought it was a classy tribute.
Not sure how much of it was a classy tribute and how much of it was in gest/sarcasm or just a humorous response (in good spirit most likely) to the South African press' inquiry prior to the match, about the impact of Michael Jackson's death on the U.S. team morale going into the game their potential celebrations should they have won.
http://www.youtube.com/v/YIi81vGoQhA
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on ah related note how come non ah de anti-american, america-haters, dempsey(and de other white boys haters) eh post nothing bout dempsey lil Michael Jackson dance move after he score?? whapn allyuh sleeping on de job or what? come nah man allyuh could extend dis thread by two pages talking bout dat. how dare he do dat wid he WHITE arrogant, just-score-against-brazil self???
Come nah man. Everybody know Michael Jackson was white.
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http://www.youtube.com/v/YIi81vGoQhA
:rotfl:
and for a fact, the first reporter was Spanish ... notice how he said, "Donovan, I want to make you a question" .... Rafa Benitez does say the same exact thing
2nd reporter seemed seemed to have an Arabic/ Middle Eastern accent - probably even Egytpian.
3rd reporter: didn't have too much on that guy, but he was probably a reporter who couldn't get a visa to enter the US.
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You may be right about that one but at least we know we place. Like I read here, anyone can put 10 men behind the ball. Did you see how Landon celebrated after he score, pointing to himself say "Me Me" Did you see any of that crap from Brazil? :) Even in the interviews after the game Zeppo coach and Landon showed no class. Acting like if "their" unforced errors "gave" Brazil the game. scheeeuuupss. And what dude crying for? Acting like someone robbed him? Like they were ever expected to win. Acting like a spoiled brat again. No football class whatsoever.
Allyuh really ridiculous dread.
First off Donovan's interview was very very sportsmanlike. He said they (Brazil) deserved it in the end, and they showed why they are rated as highly as they are.
Bradley commented on the early second half goal throwing them off their game plan...that's natural- that's not unsportsmanlike... that's just the truth. No where did they take anything away from Brazil.
As for the crying, it's obvious that the U.S. really got themselves up for this game (as did Brazil)...and they saw this as one of, if not the biggest moment in their careers. It's easy for you to sit back and dismiss U.S. football and their footballers, but a day in their shoes will probably show you that just like any other pro football player, they have aspirations of being the best- Dem fellas going tuh work everyday and working their asses off for the love of the game just like any pro football player from any country...And to make matters worse they flying their flag to the best of their ability, and a large % of the people they sweating it out for, doh even know, or don't even care...you think that is a small deal? Is men livelihood yuh talkin' about....and this was the biggest game of their lives so far- some of these guys will probably never get a chance like that again, and like it or not, despite being underdogs, to them it will feel like they let it slip away...They probably saw this as a chance to finally reap some reward and against the odds get some recognition for the hard work they put in as pro atheletes...and after all that, it still wasn't enough....and that is painful.
Anyone expected T&T to qualify for the World Cup in 1989? Dwight Yorke bawling down the place was a lack of class huh? Or did somebody rob him? steupsss....I eh no Captain America but allyuh really ridiculous dread.
The ESPN commentary on the other hand, in large part was very one-sided. Really only focussed on the American perspective which I didn't think was professional especially if it were an international broadcast (was it an international broadcast?)...But that was no reflection on the U.S. team, players or management.
Kick i hear you and Wolfman. If you look @ Landon interview again he said Brazil probably deserve to win. Probably I don't mind you repin your country and fighting hard in the game. But the truth is they act like they bigger than the game and it's only a matter of time before the receive their true entitlement as kings of football. Bradley felt like he had to make an excuse for why Brazil came back and of course is the players making mistakes. What about "we fought a good game, I'm really proud of my guys. Our guys did well, Brazil had to much class for us today. etc etc. Even with Landons comment to the reporter's question about football's development in the US. He acted like that wasn't a legit question. scheeups. If it's like you have an orange in your throat to give props to a team like Brazil in a tourney like this. You got issues. Even the commentary is seldom about the game. Allyuh could close allyuh eye if you want. In international football there is a certain amount of respect for the game that even goes above the teams. Most big teams understand this. You pay your dues on your way up. The US always acts entitled but they haven't paid their dues and it comes across in front the camera.
Hey and Yorke was crying because the entire stadium was crying. We were expected to win. I think there is a difference here.
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on ah related note how come non ah de anti-american, america-haters, dempsey(and de other white boys haters) eh post nothing bout dempsey lil Michael Jackson dance move after he score?? whapn allyuh sleeping on de job or what? come nah man allyuh could extend dis thread by two pages talking bout dat. how dare he do dat wid he WHITE arrogant, just-score-against-brazil self???
What??!! :o I miss that lil dance completely....chups, as anti-american, american hater, I real fall down on this one...damn!!.... ::)
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is kind of weird to hear reporters asking questions about MJ when the confed cup have the association with foe. good speech given by foe's son at the beginning of the game.
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on ah related note how come non ah de anti-american, america-haters, dempsey(and de other white boys haters) eh post nothing bout dempsey lil Michael Jackson dance move after he score?? whapn allyuh sleeping on de job or what? come nah man allyuh could extend dis thread by two pages talking bout dat. how dare he do dat wid he WHITE arrogant, just-score-against-brazil self???
Come nah man. Everybody know Michael Jackson was white.
Wham to allyuh boy? What allyuh bringing race in this for? ;D And Fyzoman, I am a FOOTBALL FAN. A FAN of FOOTBALL. I like to see good players, Good brand and class.
This is class below. Maybe allyuh haven't seen it for a while.
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http://www.youtube.com/v/YIi81vGoQhA
:rotfl:
and for a fact, the first reporter was Spanish ... notice how he said, "Donovan, I want to make you a question" .... Rafa Benitez does say the same exact thing
2nd reporter seemed seemed to have an Arabic/ Middle Eastern accent - probably even Egytpian.
3rd reporter: didn't have too much on that guy, but he was probably a reporter who couldn't get a visa to enter the US.
These were rediculous questions to ask the US team before an important game like this,i thought they handled the questions well but they are there for Soccer,i could see Donavan like he asking himself what the hell going on?anybody would be put in a spot in their situation.
They really thought they could and wanted to win this game and that's the attitude and mentality any team should have regardless to who they playing,this game was very important not only for them but for the culture of the game in the US,they are fighting to put the game on par with other American sports.
What amazes me is to see how MJ death affected Trinis,i was on a Soccer Camp last week and the death of MJ came up and half the kids did not know who MJ was.
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:rotfl: I dying here...
I cyah believe but I think I actually like Donovan and Bradley and Team USA soccer just ah little bit more after that...
just ah "unph" though... only ah "unph" :rotfl:
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on ah related note how come non ah de anti-american, america-haters, dempsey(and de other white boys haters) eh post nothing bout dempsey lil Michael Jackson dance move after he score?? whapn allyuh sleeping on de job or what? come nah man allyuh could extend dis thread by two pages talking bout dat. how dare he do dat wid he WHITE arrogant, just-score-against-brazil self???
Come nah man. Everybody know Michael Jackson was white.
he skin turn white
but he SEED still Black ;)
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You may be right about that one but at least we know we place. Like I read here, anyone can put 10 men behind the ball. Did you see how Landon celebrated after he score, pointing to himself say "Me Me" Did you see any of that crap from Brazil? :) Even in the interviews after the game Zeppo coach and Landon showed no class. Acting like if "their" unforced errors "gave" Brazil the game. scheeeuuupss. And what dude crying for? Acting like someone robbed him? Like they were ever expected to win. Acting like a spoiled brat again. No football class whatsoever.
Allyuh really ridiculous dread.First off Donovan's interview was very very sportsmanlike. He said they (Brazil) deserved it in the end, and they showed why they are rated as highly as they are.
Bradley commented on the early second half goal throwing them off their game plan...that's natural- that's not unsportsmanlike... that's just the truth. No where did they take anything away from Brazil.
As for the crying, it's obvious that the U.S. really got themselves up for this game (as did Brazil)...and they saw this as one of, if not the biggest moment in their careers. It's easy for you to sit back and dismiss U.S. football and their footballers, but a day in their shoes will probably show you that just like any other pro football player, they have aspirations of being the best- Dem fellas going tuh work everyday and working their asses off for the love of the game just like any pro football player from any country...And to make matters worse they flying their flag to the best of their ability, and a large % of the people they sweating it out for, doh even know, or don't even care...you think that is a small deal? Is men livelihood yuh talkin' about....and this was the biggest game of their lives so far- some of these guys will probably never get a chance like that again, and like it or not, despite being underdogs, to them it will feel like they let it slip away...They probably saw this as a chance to finally reap some reward and against the odds get some recognition for the hard work they put in as pro atheletes...and after all that, it still wasn't enough....and that is painful.
Anyone expected T&T to qualify for the World Cup in 1989? Dwight Yorke bawling down the place was a lack of class huh? Or did somebody rob him? steupsss....I eh no Captain America but allyuh really ridiculous dread.
The ESPN commentary on the other hand, in large part was very one-sided. Really only focussed on the American perspective which I didn't think was professional especially if it were an international broadcast (was it an international broadcast?)...But that was no reflection on the U.S. team, players or management.
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you know i watching him crying and thinking dat some ass(es) go post some sh&t bout dat on here, Kicker yuh handle it well though.
on ah related note how come non ah de anti-american, america-haters, dempsey(and de other white boys haters) eh post nothing bout dempsey lil Michael Jackson dance move after he score?? whapn allyuh sleeping on de job or what? come nah man allyuh could extend dis thread by two pages talking bout dat. how dare he do dat wid he WHITE arrogant, just-score-against-brazil self???
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Seleçao comeback ends U.S. dream
Clint Dempsey sobbed as the Americans walked up to get their second-place medals, unable to hide the pain and the disappointment any longer.
The euphoria of knocking off Spain last week dissolved Sunday in the Confederations Cup final when Brazil unleashed its "Beautiful Game."
After dominating the five-time World Cup champions in the first half, the Americans were powerless as Brazil scored three goals in the final 45 minutes to rally for a 3-2 win.
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Reality BITES!!! After joy, comes sorrow. After laughter comes cryter. Better luck next time. (whenever THAT happens.)
I'm proud of my team. They had a great tournament and made it all the way to the final, where they gave Brazil a run for their money. Sent the European Champions packing along the way, too.
Besides, I don't see what you're gloating about. T&T would have gotten dusted by every team in that tournament, and you know it. Try that one on for "reality".
See how yuh chupid?! I am simply gloating because, as an anti-usmnt, I glad to see y'all suffer no matter at who's hands and no matter how much more advanced your country may be than mine. I'll break it down for you: there are many an Everton or a Hull fan that were happy to see Barcelona undress manu in the CL Final. I'll break it down even simpler for you in tearms you can REALLY understand: You don't think there were many people here in New York that were happy to see Orlando eliminate the celtics? Who cares how bad the Knicks are?! :rotfl: Besides, I am not like my more enthusiastic compatriots that have a delusional sense of where T&T football stands in the world, nor do even our most ardent and blinded supporters act with any sense of entitlement as you and yours do, so that grenade you lobbed is a pure dud, lil' fella. You know what really makes it look bad for y'all though? Most respectable teams can drop ten men back in defense and preserve a two-goal lead for 45 minutes. Your's wasn't, and neither would they have been able to overcome a two-goal deficit like Brazil did. Well, at least not against no "BIG" side, right? Don't worry though, y'all have the gold cup to look forward to.
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That is a good perspective right dey...
I wasn't vex for the crying but I was still confused at de time... because I fine they reach far so they shoulda be happy... because I woulda be happy like pappy to be on de medals podium...
but ah guess thais just de trini in me... win or lose we go wine on a bumcee...
let de men and dem cry yes... (I personally enjoy they tears though) :devil:
Trinbagonians = Mediocraty
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That is a good perspective right dey...
I wasn't vex for the crying but I was still confused at de time... because I fine they reach far so they shoulda be happy... because I woulda be happy like pappy to be on de medals podium...
but ah guess thais just de trini in me... win or lose we go wine on a bumcee...
let de men and dem cry yes... (I personally enjoy they tears though) :devil:
Trinbagonians = Mediocraty Mediocrity
You muss be a Trinbagonian too then, but ah fix it fuh yuh.
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That is a good perspective right dey...
I wasn't vex for the crying but I was still confused at de time... because I fine they reach far so they shoulda be happy... because I woulda be happy like pappy to be on de medals podium...
but ah guess thais just de trini in me... win or lose we go wine on a bumcee...
let de men and dem cry yes... (I personally enjoy they tears though) :devil:
Trinbagonians = Mediocraty Mediocrity
You muss be a Trinbagonian too then, but ah fix it fuh yuh.
dis forum have ah spellcheck??? :devil:
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These are the most retarded questions ever by the media !!...come South Africa...is that the best u can come up with ??
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Imagine if we progress to de finals of the GC nex time we eligible and ah reporter ask we "do you tink you can flog your opponent in the north, south, east, and west?" :rotfl:
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U.S. team takes positives from the Confederations Cup
With apologies to Charles Dickens, the Confederations Cup performance of the U.S. men's national team can be neatly described as "A Tale of Two Teams," because without question, the Americans' South African sojourn saw them experience the best of times and the worst of times. The question now is, which team will show up during the rest of World Cup qualifying, as well as in South Africa next summer? Will it be the side that struggled early during the tournament or the one that finished with a flourish, even in losing a heartbreaking final to Brazil?
Some encouraging developments point to the latter outcome. Although the bench of manager Bob Bradley seemed a bit thin by the end of the tournament, he established some much-needed depth in certain parts of the field. For much of the past year, spots usually opened up because a player was underperforming. But players such as Jonathan Spector, Jay DeMerit, Benny Feilhaber and Ricardo Clark saw their stocks rise during the tournament. The same holds true for more established veterans such as Oguchi Onyewu. When the full team reconvenes in August and injured absentees such as Steve Cherundolo, Brian Ching and Maurice Edu heal, the team will have some competition for places that has been lacking at times during this World Cup cycle.
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